From b.xavier at internet.lu  Wed Dec  1 01:01:06 2004
From: b.xavier at internet.lu (MisterX)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 07:01:06 +0100
Subject: ANN: ControlN2O Plugin
In-Reply-To: <p06200710bdd2e6af3b75@[66.93.39.98]>
Message-ID: <20041201055300.4256F930070@mail.runrev.com>

Hi Everyone,

After a big battle to get it all back to normal, the ControlsBrowser plugin 
is now available again and in much better form!

I've renamed it ControlsN2O to avoid the confusion with the MetaCard
ControlBrowser although I'll be working on a port for metacard with a GM
engine of my own in the future. 

The new app with quite a few revisions is available at

http://monsieurx.com/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=getit&lid=69
(zipped and only 120KBs)

Story and screenshots are for this weekend.

This is still a beta, some unwanted window behaviors are still under
ironing. 
The editing has been tested and should be solid however, dont forget to make
a backup just in case - it is a beta and I couldn't test everything but it
looks and works great.

- For those still waiting, 
- there is a full properties editor along with a custom prop and custom
property sets editor.
- There's a nice appearance editor 
- You can now zoom the editor or controls list
- The filters work again
- Hopefully no more GM probs (fixed 2 more this morning!)

-- 
Note:
Currently under construction: the layering buttons will soon work in and out
of groups (including moving controls into or out of a group). I will have an
update soon for those probably thursday night at the latest.

This is the last "lite" version of ControlsN2O meaning features are frozen.
But suggestions are welcome as usual. 

If someone can send any MacOS or linux screenshots of GUI oddities, i would
much appreciate it.

Time to blow the shell out of the next versions for the Pros!

Revs
Xavier
--
MonsieurX.com - Rev development with Nitrous!


From lince at river-valley.com  Wed Dec  1 02:13:06 2004
From: lince at river-valley.com (Lince M Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 12:43:06 +0530 (IST)
Subject: Polling the mouse
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0412011240030.18045-100000@pampa.river-valley.com>

What will be the consequence of polling the mouse in Revolution.

repeat until the mouse is up
  set the loc of btn "dragBtn" to the mouseLoc
end repeat

Certain people discourage use of this in MetaCard and Revolution?

Thanking you,

Lince M Lawrence
FOCAL IMAGE (INDIA) PVT. LTD.
[ mailto:lince at river-valley.com ]


From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Wed Dec  1 02:20:29 2004
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 23:20:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Polling the mouse
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0412011240030.18045-100000@pampa.river-valley.com>
Message-ID: <20041201072029.50269.qmail@web60507.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Lince M Lawrence <lince at river-valley.com> wrote:
> What will be the consequence of polling the mouse in
> Revolution.
> 
> repeat until the mouse is up
>   set the loc of btn "dragBtn" to the mouseLoc
> end repeat
> 
> Certain people discourage use of this in MetaCard
> and Revolution?
> 
> Thanking you,
> 
> Lince M Lawrence
> 

Hi Lince,

The main problem with the above construct is that the
engine needs to constantly check if the mouse state
happened to change.
All you'll ever want to know about mouse polling,
including how to achieve the same effect withut
hogging the CPU, can be found at :
<http://www.hyperactivesw.com/polling.html>

Hope this helped,

Jan Schenkel.

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From klaus at major-k.de  Wed Dec  1 03:40:37 2004
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 09:40:37 +0100
Subject: Polling the mouse
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0412011240030.18045-100000@pampa.river-valley.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0412011240030.18045-100000@pampa.river-valley.com>
Message-ID: <ACD8F97C-4374-11D9-9C39-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>

Hi Lince,

> What will be the consequence of polling the mouse in Revolution.

Eternal damnation and a special x-talk purgatory! :-D

> repeat until the mouse is up
>   set the loc of btn "dragBtn" to the mouseLoc
> end repeat
>
> Certain people discourage use of this in MetaCard and Revolution?

Jan (or his current clone on duty ;-) is right.
It will eat CPU time unecessarily.

And this is a very good read indeed:
http://www.hyperactivesw.com/polling.html

> Thanking you,
>
> Lince M Lawrence
> FOCAL IMAGE (INDIA) PVT. LTD.
> [ mailto:lince at river-valley.com ]

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de


From xbury.cs at clearstream.com  Wed Dec  1 04:02:35 2004
From: xbury.cs at clearstream.com (xbury.cs at clearstream.com)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 10:02:35 +0100
Subject: Polling the mouse
Message-ID: <OF289A3B69.D4470C39-ONC1256F5D.0031267E-C1256F5D.00318505@deutsche-boerse.de>

Hi Lince,

While this routine may eat a few more CPU cycles than usual, it poses
absolutely no problems. 

Since RunRev doesn't thread anyway, there no impact on would be
rev-background running applications. 

CPU hogging is only 20% more than resizing or moving any window
 in windows (out of runrev). Moving or resizing a stack in rev will 
equally eat as much if not more CPU!

It's also much easier to implement, edit and debug IMOHO.

The mousedown event is usually pretty short anyway (depending
on the application naturally.)

My 2 cents
Xavier

On 01.12.2004 09:40:37 use-revolution-bounces wrote:
>Hi Lince,
>
>> What will be the consequence of polling the mouse in Revolution.
>
>Eternal damnation and a special x-talk purgatory! :-D
>
>> repeat until the mouse is up
>>   set the loc of btn "dragBtn" to the mouseLoc
>> end repeat
>>
>> Certain people discourage use of this in MetaCard and Revolution?
>
>Jan (or his current clone on duty ;-) is right.
>It will eat CPU time unecessarily.
>
>And this is a very good read indeed:
>http://www.hyperactivesw.com/polling.html
>
>> Thanking you,
>>
>> Lince M Lawrence
>> FOCAL IMAGE (INDIA) PVT. LTD.
>> [ mailto:lince at river-valley.com ]
>
>Regards
>
>Klaus Major
>klaus at major-k.de
>http://www.major-k.de
>
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From alex at tweedly.net  Wed Dec  1 04:13:59 2004
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 09:13:59 +0000
Subject: stacks interacting over LAN? (newbie)
In-Reply-To: <BDC546DE-430D-11D9-BEF2-000D932AE9E0@mac.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20041130101814.0300f520@mail.tweedly.net>
 <20041130043949.20515.qmail@web51104.mail.yahoo.com>
 <5.1.0.14.0.20041130101814.0300f520@mail.tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20041201090949.027d2728@mail.tweedly.net>

At 21:23 30/11/2004 +0100, Bj?rnke von Gierke wrote:

>Well actually that's Mark Schonewille's  implementation, not mine :)
>And soon there will be a third chat client, confusion everywhere abounds!

Sorry.

The effort to build and contribute an open-source chat program (or 
programs) is fantastic, and credit should go to the correct people - so I'm 
very sorry about getting this wrong.

Thanks for the correct url of   http://chatrev.cjb.net:8080

-- Alex.

From klaus at major-k.de  Wed Dec  1 04:34:50 2004
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 10:34:50 +0100
Subject: Polling the mouse
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0412011240030.18045-100000@pampa.river-valley.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0412011240030.18045-100000@pampa.river-valley.com>
Message-ID: <3F84D38C-437C-11D9-9C39-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>

Hi Lince,

> What will be the consequence of polling the mouse in Revolution.
>
> repeat until the mouse is up
>   set the loc of btn "dragBtn" to the mouseLoc
> end repeat

in this case the following would be more effective:

Script of btn "dragBtn"

on mousedown
   grab me
end mousedown

No damnation and no purgatory ;-)

> Thanking you,
>
> Lince M Lawrence
> FOCAL IMAGE (INDIA) PVT. LTD.
> [ mailto:lince at river-valley.com ]

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de


From psahores at easynet.fr  Wed Dec  1 04:56:52 2004
From: psahores at easynet.fr (Pierre Sahores)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 10:56:52 +0100
Subject: lessons from Java, OOP
In-Reply-To: <41ACF774.5080304@fourthworld.com>
References: <F8F0EAA74B352E42A1B31C25BF44AD3D3ADAE8@NTVRTCRDMM.main.lord.com>
	<41ACF774.5080304@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <536C08E7-437F-11D9-B382-000A95C61E96@easynet.fr>


Le 30 nov. 04, ? 23:43, Richard Gaskin a ?crit :
>
> Theory aside, the practical benefits of OOP involve productivity, 
> through ease of maintenance and reuse.  For all of the talk of 
> portable C++ objects over the years, few have materialized and very 
> few are cross-platform.  That is, unless you adopt an entire 
> framework, like CodeWarrior's PowerPlant or Apple's XCode, but then 
> you're moving past a portable object and are talking about a 
> generalized application foundation, which is a much bigger thing.  
> Trying to reuse a single widget in C++ or Java often means pulling a 
> long chain of superclasses along with it, so that what was described 
> as a reusable object is really a large folder full of .c and .h files. 
> ;)
>
> With Transcript, there are many practices which can help facilitate 
> those practical benefits.  While they may not satisfy OOP purists, 
> such folks are probably happily using Java anyway so we can ignore 
> them and get back to our own productivity.
>
Because there is no way to get the Master of distribued application of 
the Ecole Pratique des Hautes-Etudes Institute (Sorbonne University - 
Paris, France), i worked, last year in coding some J2EE apps and 
deployed them under the Tomcat (JSP) and JBoss (EJB2) platforms...

In my own humble idea, there is still nothing that can be deployed in 
using a Revolution's application server that could be best coded and 
deployed in using the Java 1.4 platform. To code "academically", apps 
in Java 2, we need UML, 20 different frameworks (Eclipse or NetBeans 
one side, Ant, CVS, XDoclet, SWT, Struts, Andromda, Hibernate, 
JUnit,...) where we only need one framework (Rev) to go head with the 
same kind of project in using our prefered XTalk.

About OOP, Rev is from ground build to let us design as we want : 100% 
OOP or, best in my mind 50% OOP / 50% functionnal. In Java, we have no 
choice : 100% OOP only and only one hierarchical heritance way is 
available (from bottom to top) where Transcript let us free to design 
all the heritances we need (bottom-top, transversal messages beerwin 
handler and stacks, start using, send message) + the ability to use 
recursivity procs and functions...

To the end, the Java deployed apps are build by teams, running from 20 
to 60 times slower than the Revolution 2.5 one and can't be coded at 
once and deployed anywhere.

Anyone is free to choose Java instead of XTalk to code great networked 
apps but we have to understand and remember that Revolution is still 
the perfect tool to let us code in days and weeks ALL what can be build 
and deployed in weeks and months in using the J2EE platform. In 
opposition, there is no issues to code in Java all what can be coded in 
Transcript.

In my mind, Java lacks in some critical aera, alike the client-side 
security of the connected apps or alike the ways the SQL back-ends are 
binded to the application's servers.

In my mind, Java is a little outdated but, because marketing and 
ideology, it seems mainly a more usefull language than it is in 
reality.

It's my job to build critical networked apps with tousands of 
write-mode connections peer second. My customers don't care about what 
languages i'm using to delivry to them the apps they are paying for. 
They just remember that the delivred apps are always working as 
expected, for years...

Perhaps is Java - mainly - a bureaucratic and ideologic development 
paradigm, perhaps ;-)...

>
> -- 
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World Media Corporation
>  Developer of WebMerge: Publish any database on any Web site
>  ___________________________________________________________
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From sims at ezpzapps.com  Wed Dec  1 05:02:33 2004
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (sims)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 11:02:33 +0100
Subject: stacks interacting over LAN? (newbie)
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20041201090949.027d2728@mail.tweedly.net>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20041130101814.0300f520@mail.tweedly.net>
 <20041130043949.20515.qmail@web51104.mail.yahoo.com>
 <5.1.0.14.0.20041130101814.0300f520@mail.tweedly.net>
 <5.1.0.14.0.20041201090949.027d2728@mail.tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <p0611040ebdd34541fadf@[10.0.1.2]>

>
>The effort to build and contribute an open-source chat program (or 
>programs) is fantastic, and credit should go to the correct people - 
>so I'm very sorry about getting this wrong.

I'm curious about what security concerns that a chat (or sockets in 
general) might open up
for the user and what (if any) precautions need to be taken.

Also, when setting up a chat for someone who has a firewall (uses a 
proxy) in place and
the Rev  "set the HTTPProxy to host:portNumber"  is used, are other 
security concerns
presented?

My questions spring from an appalling lack of knowledge of sockets  :-/

sims
EuroRevCon  2006!


From wow at together.net  Wed Dec  1 06:48:08 2004
From: wow at together.net (Richard Miller)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 06:48:08 -0500
Subject: Credit card processing
In-Reply-To: <BDC546DE-430D-11D9-BEF2-000D932AE9E0@mac.com>
References: <20041130043949.20515.qmail@web51104.mail.yahoo.com>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20041130101814.0300f520@mail.tweedly.net>
	<BDC546DE-430D-11D9-BEF2-000D932AE9E0@mac.com>
Message-ID: <DEFE7A9C-438E-11D9-8626-003065B0423A@together.net>

I'd like to create a very simple custom browser to process one quick 
credit card subscription that requires filling out only three fields: 
the credit card number, expiration date and 3-digit card code. Our 
access device (a kiosk) does not provide a mouse. It does have a small 
numeric keypad.

What are the options for doing this through Rev today.. I'd like to 
know the simplest way possible!

Thanks.
Richard Miller
Imprinter Technologies


From yoursignup at yahoo.com  Wed Dec  1 06:53:11 2004
From: yoursignup at yahoo.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 03:53:11 -0800 (PST)
Subject: barcode scanner
Message-ID: <20041201115311.73967.qmail@web52204.mail.yahoo.com>

Many years ago I developed a system that collected
data from a large number
of barcode readers, as well as, other electronic
systems. Most barcode
readers then transmitted serially and could attach a
prefix and postfix to
the scan. We attached the individual readers to MUXs
and the MUXs to a large
serial switch (actually bank of serial switches). The
serial switch had
memory (most do). This then goes, of course,
attachesto one serial port on
the computer.

So, depending on the nature of your app, you can then
either let the reads
accumulate in the switch and have your program poll
the serial port when
your application is ready, or set up your program to
be interrupt or event
driven by the serial port. Use the prefix and postfix
feature of the barcode
readers to parse your stream.

Jim Bufalini

-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com]On
Behalf Of kee nethery
Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 6:18 PM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: barcode scanner



On Nov 30, 2004, at 3:37 AM, Paolo Mazza wrote:

> I want  my  rev-application to collect  data from a 
barcode scanner
> in background .  In other words,  I want to use my
PC (WIN-XP) with
> other programs and at the same time I want  my
application to collect
> and save data from the barcode scanner. Is it
possible?

yes but the input has to be through something other
than the normal
keyboard interface. You'll need an alternate input
stream and you'll
need code to watch that input stream. The most common,
but becoming
obsolete quickly, is a serial interface. Then you have
your app watch
the serial interface and handle the data it receives.
Beyond my
abilities, I think Sarah has done much more work in
this area.

Kee Nethery

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From klaus at major-k.de  Wed Dec  1 07:30:54 2004
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 13:30:54 +0100
Subject: Credit card processing
In-Reply-To: <DEFE7A9C-438E-11D9-8626-003065B0423A@together.net>
References: <20041130043949.20515.qmail@web51104.mail.yahoo.com>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20041130101814.0300f520@mail.tweedly.net>
	<BDC546DE-430D-11D9-BEF2-000D932AE9E0@mac.com>
	<DEFE7A9C-438E-11D9-8626-003065B0423A@together.net>
Message-ID: <D86D4C05-4394-11D9-9C39-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>

Hi Richard,

> I'd like to create a very simple custom browser to process one quick 
> credit card subscription that requires filling out only three fields: 
> the credit card number, expiration date and 3-digit card code. Our 
> access device (a kiosk) does not provide a mouse. It does have a small 
> numeric keypad.
>
> What are the options for doing this through Rev today.. I'd like to 
> know the simplest way possible!

create 3 fields and set their "autotab" to true (check it in the 
inspector)...

This will cause the cursor to go to the next field when the user hits 
the RETURN
and/or ENTER key...

To make sure that only numbers are being entered in the fields put this 
into the
script of the credit card number and  3-digit fields:

on keydown t_key
   if t_key is a number then pass keydown
end keydown

Add this to the script of the 3-digit field:

on closefield
   if the num of chars of me <> 3 then
     put empty into me
     select text of me
   end if
end closefield


To make sure that the expiration date field contains a valid date, put 
this into the script of that
field, supposed you demand the xx/xx/xx format for your date:

on keydown t_key
   if t_key is a number OR t_key = "/" then pass keydown
end keydown

on closefield
   if me is not a date then
     put empty into me
     select text of me
   end if
end closefield

That will delete the wrong date and sets the cursor again in that 
field...

Sorry no idea how to validate a credit card number ;-)

Hope that helps...

> Thanks.
> Richard Miller
> Imprinter Technologies

Regards from germany

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de


From xbury.cs at clearstream.com  Wed Dec  1 05:13:51 2004
From: xbury.cs at clearstream.com (xbury.cs at clearstream.com)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 11:13:51 +0100
Subject: lessons from Java, OOP
Message-ID: <OFE50DC869.03DAC8F4-ONC1256F5D.003824E2-C1256F5D.00380B03@deutsche-boerse.de>

Pierre,

Very insightful!

In your experience, is RunRev server side performance as good as Java?

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        Subject:        Re: lessons from Java, OOP

..


Le 30 nov. 04, ? 23:43, Richard Gaskin a ?crit :
>
> Theory aside, the practical benefits of OOP involve productivity, 
> through ease of maintenance and reuse.  For all of the talk of 
> portable C++ objects over the years, few have materialized and very 
> few are cross-platform.  That is, unless you adopt an entire 
> framework, like CodeWarrior's PowerPlant or Apple's XCode, but then 
> you're moving past a portable object and are talking about a 
> generalized application foundation, which is a much bigger thing. 
> Trying to reuse a single widget in C++ or Java often means pulling a 
> long chain of superclasses along with it, so that what was described 
> as a reusable object is really a large folder full of .c and .h files. 
> ;)
>
> With Transcript, there are many practices which can help facilitate 
> those practical benefits.  While they may not satisfy OOP purists, 
> such folks are probably happily using Java anyway so we can ignore 
> them and get back to our own productivity.
>
Because there is no way to get the Master of distribued application of 
the Ecole Pratique des Hautes-Etudes Institute (Sorbonne University - 
Paris, France), i worked, last year in coding some J2EE apps and 
deployed them under the Tomcat (JSP) and JBoss (EJB2) platforms...

In my own humble idea, there is still nothing that can be deployed in 
using a Revolution's application server that could be best coded and 
deployed in using the Java 1.4 platform. To code "academically", apps 
in Java 2, we need UML, 20 different frameworks (Eclipse or NetBeans 
one side, Ant, CVS, XDoclet, SWT, Struts, Andromda, Hibernate, 
JUnit,...) where we only need one framework (Rev) to go head with the 
same kind of project in using our prefered XTalk.

About OOP, Rev is from ground build to let us design as we want : 100% 
OOP or, best in my mind 50% OOP / 50% functionnal. In Java, we have no 
choice : 100% OOP only and only one hierarchical heritance way is 
available (from bottom to top) where Transcript let us free to design 
all the heritances we need (bottom-top, transversal messages beerwin 
handler and stacks, start using, send message) + the ability to use 
recursivity procs and functions...

To the end, the Java deployed apps are build by teams, running from 20 
to 60 times slower than the Revolution 2.5 one and can't be coded at 
once and deployed anywhere.

Anyone is free to choose Java instead of XTalk to code great networked 
apps but we have to understand and remember that Revolution is still 
the perfect tool to let us code in days and weeks ALL what can be build 
and deployed in weeks and months in using the J2EE platform. In 
opposition, there is no issues to code in Java all what can be coded in 
Transcript.

In my mind, Java lacks in some critical aera, alike the client-side 
security of the connected apps or alike the ways the SQL back-ends are 
binded to the application's servers.

In my mind, Java is a little outdated but, because marketing and 
ideology, it seems mainly a more usefull language than it is in 
reality.

It's my job to build critical networked apps with tousands of 
write-mode connections peer second. My customers don't care about what 
languages i'm using to delivry to them the apps they are paying for. 
They just remember that the delivred apps are always working as 
expected, for years...

Perhaps is Java - mainly - a bureaucratic and ideologic development 
paradigm, perhaps ;-)...

>
> -- 
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World Media Corporation
>  Developer of WebMerge: Publish any database on any Web site
>  ___________________________________________________________
>  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
>
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Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores

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From gwalias-rev at yahoo.com  Wed Dec  1 09:45:29 2004
From: gwalias-rev at yahoo.com (Gordon)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 06:45:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: "Plugin" stacks
Message-ID: <20041201144529.2724.qmail@web51103.mail.yahoo.com>

Dear Revolutionaries

If I create a standalone app that's essentially just a
splash screen that loads the other stacks of the app
as runtime "plugins", can't people view and/or alter
the contents of those stacks? I notice that when I
load a rev stack into e.g. WordPad, some of it is
gobbledygook but I can inspect a fair amount of the
contents.

Best

Gordon


From k.r.hauge at east.uio.no  Wed Dec  1 09:53:45 2004
From: k.r.hauge at east.uio.no (Kjetil =?iso-8859-1?Q?R=E5?= Hauge)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 15:53:45 +0100
Subject: Czech apples
Message-ID: <p06002003bdd3818822ee@[129.240.19.17]>

The letter "y-acute" (hex 00FD, dec 235) is 
essential for Czech. If I import UTF-16 text from 
a file or copy it from an application, this 
character displays as the well-known Apple 
trademark (on a Mac with 10.3.6. RR 2.5). The 
htmltext of a field with this character will be < 
p>&yacute;< /p> (spaces deliberately inserted to 
avoid messing up mailreaders).

I can type this character from the keyboard 
(Unicode Hex Input kbd, opt+00FD) and it shows up 
fine. The htmltext is < p>< font face="Geneva" 
lang="en-UC">&#253;< /font>< /p>. I can fix the 
problem in a way with an ugly replace hack in the 
htmltext, but it won't put its head down - if add 
add text to a field by:

set the unicodetext of fld 1 to the unicodetext 
of fld 1 & the unicodetext of fld 2

  - then any proper y-acutes in field 2 are again 
converted into apples when added to field 1. I 
can avoid this by clumsy copy-and-paste routines, 
but this shouldn't be necessary.

I have reported this as a bug some time under 2.0 
(#542), but it was returned as non-reproducible.
-- 
---
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Tel. +47/22856710, fax +47/22854140

From klaus at major-k.de  Wed Dec  1 10:00:55 2004
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 16:00:55 +0100
Subject: "Plugin" stacks
In-Reply-To: <20041201144529.2724.qmail@web51103.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20041201144529.2724.qmail@web51103.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CD65A4AC-43A9-11D9-9C39-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>

Hi Gordon,

> Dear Revolutionaries
>
> If I create a standalone app that's essentially just a
> splash screen that loads the other stacks of the app
> as runtime "plugins", can't people view and/or alter
> the contents of those stacks? I notice that when I
> load a rev stack into e.g. WordPad, some of it is
> gobbledygook but I can inspect a fair amount of the
> contents.

apply a password to your stacks, then the complete content will be
gobbledygook when opened in any editor :-)

You might have to use the messagebox:

set the password of stack "xyz" to "your password here..."

Hope that helps...

> Best
>
> Gordon

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de


From fde101 at fjrhome.net  Wed Dec  1 09:59:05 2004
From: fde101 at fjrhome.net (Frank D. Engel, Jr.)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 09:59:05 -0500
Subject: Credit card processing
In-Reply-To: <D86D4C05-4394-11D9-9C39-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>
References: <20041130043949.20515.qmail@web51104.mail.yahoo.com>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20041130101814.0300f520@mail.tweedly.net>
	<BDC546DE-430D-11D9-BEF2-000D932AE9E0@mac.com>
	<DEFE7A9C-438E-11D9-8626-003065B0423A@together.net>
	<D86D4C05-4394-11D9-9C39-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <8BE43BE3-43A9-11D9-AD62-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>

Found these sites which might be helpful:

http://www.beachnet.com/~hstiles/cardtype.html

http://www.sislands.com/jscript/week6/ccvalidation.htm


Google is your friend!


Note that the algorithm presented at these sites does not actually 
verify the credit card itself, it simply checks the card number against 
the card security code to see if they work together as they should.  As 
far as validating the card against the official databases, that may be 
a bit more complex...


On Dec 1, 2004, at 7:30 AM, Klaus Major wrote:

> Hi Richard,
>
>> I'd like to create a very simple custom browser to process one quick 
>> credit card subscription that requires filling out only three fields: 
>> the credit card number, expiration date and 3-digit card code. Our 
>> access device (a kiosk) does not provide a mouse. It does have a 
>> small numeric keypad.
>>
>> What are the options for doing this through Rev today.. I'd like to 
>> know the simplest way possible!
>
> create 3 fields and set their "autotab" to true (check it in the 
> inspector)...
>
> This will cause the cursor to go to the next field when the user hits 
> the RETURN
> and/or ENTER key...
>
> To make sure that only numbers are being entered in the fields put 
> this into the
> script of the credit card number and  3-digit fields:
>
> on keydown t_key
>   if t_key is a number then pass keydown
> end keydown
>
> Add this to the script of the 3-digit field:
>
> on closefield
>   if the num of chars of me <> 3 then
>     put empty into me
>     select text of me
>   end if
> end closefield
>
>
> To make sure that the expiration date field contains a valid date, put 
> this into the script of that
> field, supposed you demand the xx/xx/xx format for your date:
>
> on keydown t_key
>   if t_key is a number OR t_key = "/" then pass keydown
> end keydown
>
> on closefield
>   if me is not a date then
>     put empty into me
>     select text of me
>   end if
> end closefield
>
> That will delete the wrong date and sets the cursor again in that 
> field...
>
> Sorry no idea how to validate a credit card number ;-)
>
> Hope that helps...
>
>> Thanks.
>> Richard Miller
>> Imprinter Technologies
>
> Regards from germany
>
> Klaus Major
> klaus at major-k.de
> http://www.major-k.de
>
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>
-----------------------------------------------------------
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$ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
$ true | cat /usr/manual | grep "John 3:16"
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten 
Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have 
everlasting life.
$



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From fde101 at fjrhome.net  Wed Dec  1 10:00:40 2004
From: fde101 at fjrhome.net (Frank D. Engel, Jr.)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 10:00:40 -0500
Subject: "Plugin" stacks
In-Reply-To: <20041201144529.2724.qmail@web51103.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20041201144529.2724.qmail@web51103.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <C405B1DA-43A9-11D9-AD62-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>

You can "read" a standalone that way too if you do not set a password 
for it (encrypt it).

On Dec 1, 2004, at 9:45 AM, Gordon wrote:

> Dear Revolutionaries
>
> If I create a standalone app that's essentially just a
> splash screen that loads the other stacks of the app
> as runtime "plugins", can't people view and/or alter
> the contents of those stacks? I notice that when I
> load a rev stack into e.g. WordPad, some of it is
> gobbledygook but I can inspect a fair amount of the
> contents.
>
> Best
>
> Gordon
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
>
-----------------------------------------------------------
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$ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
$ true | cat /usr/manual | grep "John 3:16"
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten 
Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have 
everlasting life.
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From gwalias-rev at yahoo.com  Wed Dec  1 10:05:50 2004
From: gwalias-rev at yahoo.com (Gordon)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 07:05:50 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Stack Passwords
Message-ID: <20041201150550.21119.qmail@web51106.mail.yahoo.com>

Thanks Klaus :-)

If I set a stack password, does my app have to
"unlock" the stack with the same password, when it
loads it?

Best

Gordon

From harrison at all-auctions.com  Wed Dec  1 10:09:14 2004
From: harrison at all-auctions.com (Rick Harrison)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 10:09:14 -0500
Subject: Credit card processing
In-Reply-To: <D86D4C05-4394-11D9-9C39-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>
References: <20041130043949.20515.qmail@web51104.mail.yahoo.com>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20041130101814.0300f520@mail.tweedly.net>
	<BDC546DE-430D-11D9-BEF2-000D932AE9E0@mac.com>
	<DEFE7A9C-438E-11D9-8626-003065B0423A@together.net>
	<D86D4C05-4394-11D9-9C39-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <F68A66A3-43AA-11D9-8CA1-000393C10758@all-auctions.com>


On Dec 1, 2004, at 7:30 AM, Klaus Major wrote:
>
>
> Sorry no idea how to validate a credit card number ;-)
>
> Hope that helps...
>
> Klaus Major
>

A good start to this is to check what the first digit is.
If it begins with a 4 it is a VISA card.  If it begins with a 5
it is a MasterCard.

Good Luck!

Rick Harrison


From klaus at major-k.de  Wed Dec  1 10:13:23 2004
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 16:13:23 +0100
Subject: Stack Passwords
In-Reply-To: <20041201150550.21119.qmail@web51106.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20041201150550.21119.qmail@web51106.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8B355CE7-43AB-11D9-B0F8-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>

Hi Gordon,

> Thanks Klaus :-)
>
> If I set a stack password, does my app have to
> "unlock" the stack with the same password, when it
> loads it?

No!

Only if you want to edit the scripts of these stacks later in Dev 
mode...

> Best
>
> Gordon

Best from germany

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de


P.S.
Please remember to load my little "X-mas tree" via REV-Online!
Tis the season :-)

I have been asked, so i will also put a standalone of this little stack
on my website the next days...


From klaus at major-k.de  Wed Dec  1 10:16:05 2004
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 16:16:05 +0100
Subject: Credit card processing
In-Reply-To: <F68A66A3-43AA-11D9-8CA1-000393C10758@all-auctions.com>
References: <20041130043949.20515.qmail@web51104.mail.yahoo.com>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20041130101814.0300f520@mail.tweedly.net>
	<BDC546DE-430D-11D9-BEF2-000D932AE9E0@mac.com>
	<DEFE7A9C-438E-11D9-8626-003065B0423A@together.net>
	<D86D4C05-4394-11D9-9C39-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>
	<F68A66A3-43AA-11D9-8CA1-000393C10758@all-auctions.com>
Message-ID: <EBC3C864-43AB-11D9-B0F8-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>

Hi Rick,

> On Dec 1, 2004, at 7:30 AM, Klaus Major wrote:
>> ...
>> Sorry no idea how to validate a credit card number ;-)
>> Hope that helps...
>>
>> Klaus Major

> A good start to this is to check what the first digit is.
> If it begins with a 4 it is a VISA card.  If it begins with a 5
> it is a MasterCard.

Thanks, yes, that's a good start, although i didn't want to know ;-)
Now only 11 digits left to check :-)

> Good Luck!
>
> Rick Harrison

Best from germany

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de


From wow at together.net  Wed Dec  1 10:22:22 2004
From: wow at together.net (Richard Miller)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 10:22:22 -0500
Subject: Credit card processing
In-Reply-To: <F68A66A3-43AA-11D9-8CA1-000393C10758@all-auctions.com>
References: <20041130043949.20515.qmail@web51104.mail.yahoo.com>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20041130101814.0300f520@mail.tweedly.net>
	<BDC546DE-430D-11D9-BEF2-000D932AE9E0@mac.com>
	<DEFE7A9C-438E-11D9-8626-003065B0423A@together.net>
	<D86D4C05-4394-11D9-9C39-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>
	<F68A66A3-43AA-11D9-8CA1-000393C10758@all-auctions.com>
Message-ID: <CC3A1DD2-43AC-11D9-8626-003065B0423A@together.net>

Thanks Klaus, Frank and Rick for your feedback. Still, the key issue 
remains, which is actually processing a credit card transaction 
securely through a custom Rev-enabled browser. What are the current 
options available through Rev for doing that?

Richard


From kkaufman at snet.net  Wed Dec  1 10:25:36 2004
From: kkaufman at snet.net (Kurt Kaufman)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 07:25:36 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Rev and non-SQL databases (beginner's question)
Message-ID: <20041201152536.10017.qmail@web81608.mail.yahoo.com>

I know that database formats are a FAQ here, but I was
not able to locate a reference to this specific
question; if someone knows that the subject has
already been covered, please point me to the
discussion.

I've long used the "basic HyperCard" model (one card
per account, much like a Rolodex) as a quick way to
whip up an accounting program.  Problem is, if I'd
like to add an entry or an additional variable to each
account, it means looping through each card with the
required modification. I'm also a bit concerned about
eventual size of the stack; the app and data being one
and the same.

This is a situation where an actual server is not
used, (a single computer). 
Would storing the data in this form of text file work?

account1item1,account1item2,account1item3, etc.
account2item1,account2item2,account2item3, etc.
account3item1, etc.....

When the app is opened, the text file would be read
into memory. I'd only need one card with fields that
would display the various "accountXitems" from the
text file.

The number of lines in the text file (number of
accounts) could reach several thousand eventually.

Super speed is not an issue here, but obviously,
having to wait more than a few seconds for the
account's data to display is not acceptable either.

Thanks in advance for any suggestions.

-Kurt



From yoursignup at yahoo.com  Wed Dec  1 10:36:46 2004
From: yoursignup at yahoo.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 07:36:46 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Credit card processing
Message-ID: <20041201153647.49285.qmail@web52210.mail.yahoo.com>

There are "no options" of processing a credit card
transaction through ANY
programming language. CC transactions are processed
through the banking
network. To obtain API access to the VERY secure
banking network you need to
talk to someone like LinkPointCentral or Card Com. You
need a merchant
account, credit references, etc.

Jim Bufalini


Thanks Klaus, Frank and Rick for your feedback. Still,
the key issue
remains, which is actually processing a credit card
transaction
securely through a custom Rev-enabled browser. What
are the current
options available through Rev for doing that?

Richard

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From kevin at runrev.com  Wed Dec  1 10:31:15 2004
From: kevin at runrev.com (Kevin Miller)
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 15:31:15 +0000
Subject: OOP with Revolution
In-Reply-To: <20041201014243.15289.qmail@web51104.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BDD39443.A2AC%kevin@runrev.com>

On 1/12/04 1:42 am, "Gordon" <gwalias-rev at yahoo.com> wrote:

> How about a Rev component with no interactive features
> that could be used simply as a container for scripts
> and custom properties. It could be set in the rev
> preferences as visible or invisible on a card, but
> would otherwise inherit the properties of the general
> class of object from which I imagine all the other
> components are descended.
> 
> Perhaps I could just create such a thing myself as a
> custom control - if I knew enough about rev - which I
> don't :(
> 
> I know that people use buttons and the like for this
> purpose right now, but this new component might
> simplify and clarify the design of rev stacks a
> little.

Of course it depends on exactly what you are trying to achieve, but I see no
problem in principal that would prevent you from coming up with something
fairly close to that based on Rev as it stands.  You can certainly run it
faceless and design the sort of inheritance you need, provided that you do
so relatively early on in the design of your solution.

Kind regards,

Kevin

Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/
Runtime Revolution - User-Centric Development Tools


From klaus at major-k.de  Wed Dec  1 10:42:59 2004
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 16:42:59 +0100
Subject: Rev and non-SQL databases (beginner's question)
In-Reply-To: <20041201152536.10017.qmail@web81608.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20041201152536.10017.qmail@web81608.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <ADC9D33B-43AF-11D9-B0F8-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>

Hi Kurt,

> I know that database formats are a FAQ here, but I was
> not able to locate a reference to this specific
> question; if someone knows that the subject has
> already been covered, please point me to the
> discussion.
>
> I've long used the "basic HyperCard" model (one card
> per account, much like a Rolodex) as a quick way to
> whip up an accounting program.  Problem is, if I'd
> like to add an entry or an additional variable to each
> account, it means looping through each card with the
> required modification. I'm also a bit concerned about
> eventual size of the stack; the app and data being one
> and the same.
>
> This is a situation where an actual server is not
> used, (a single computer).
> Would storing the data in this form of text file work?
>
> account1item1,account1item2,account1item3, etc.
> account2item1,account2item2,account2item3, etc.
> account3item1, etc.....
>
> When the app is opened, the text file would be read
> into memory. I'd only need one card with fields that
> would display the various "accountXitems" from the
> text file.
>
> The number of lines in the text file (number of
> accounts) could reach several thousand eventually.
>
> Super speed is not an issue here, but obviously,
> having to wait more than a few seconds for the
> account's data to display is not acceptable either.
>
> Thanks in advance for any suggestions.

I have created exactly what you described here:
A one-card adress stack and a textfile.

Just for fun i created a 15 MB textfile with about 100.000 lines, 10 
items each,
(with random content, not that i knew that much people) and EVERYTHING 
is
working in realtime, even on a 400 Mhz G4 Mac.

Sorting and even searching for a specific line that "contains" or 
"starts with" xxx
(lineoffset IS fast :-) works with no noticable delay...

So i think this is the way to go, if you don't want and/or need a "real"
database engine like Valentina, mySQL etc...

Hope that helps

> -Kurt

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de


From wow at together.net  Wed Dec  1 10:50:23 2004
From: wow at together.net (Richard Miller)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 10:50:23 -0500
Subject: Credit card processing
In-Reply-To: <20041201153647.49285.qmail@web52210.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20041201153647.49285.qmail@web52210.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <B671F3FC-43B0-11D9-8626-003065B0423A@together.net>

OK, let me try again. Here's want I want to do (and I know it can be 
done through numerous other programming environments).

1. Create a simple custom web browser in Rev. Not difficult, correct?
2. Allow the user to enter a credit card number and expiration date.
3. User hits "Go" button.
4. Within a secure environment, that credit card information is passed 
to any one of dozens of Internet-based credit card processing companies 
that then process that transaction. If the transaction is good, that 
company sends back a "yes" to my Rev application. My Rev application 
can then continue to offer services to the user.

This is no different than the hundreds of solutions already provided on 
the Internet for processing a credit card through any given web 
site...except that this is done through a custom Rev browser; not 
Explorer.

What Rev options are available to do this?

Richard


On Dec 1, 2004, at 10:36 AM, Jim Bufalini wrote:

> There are "no options" of processing a credit card
> transaction through ANY
> programming language. CC transactions are processed
> through the banking
> network. To obtain API access to the VERY secure
> banking network you need to
> talk to someone like LinkPointCentral or Card Com. You
> need a merchant
> account, credit references, etc.
>
> Jim Bufalini
>
>
> Thanks Klaus, Frank and Rick for your feedback. Still,
> the key issue
> remains, which is actually processing a credit card
> transaction
> securely through a custom Rev-enabled browser. What
> are the current
> options available through Rev for doing that?
>
> Richard
>
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>
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From kkaufman at snet.net  Wed Dec  1 10:51:44 2004
From: kkaufman at snet.net (Kurt Kaufman)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 07:51:44 -0800 (PST)
Subject: use-revolution Digest, Vol 15, Issue 1
In-Reply-To: <20041201144934.20D599300EA@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <20041201155144.77587.qmail@web81605.mail.yahoo.com>

Klaus M. wrote:

"...
Sorting and even searching for a specific line that
"contains" or 
"starts with" xxx
(lineoffset IS fast :-) works with no noticable
delay...

So i think this is the way to go, if you don't want
and/or need a "real"
database engine like Valentina, mySQL etc...

Hope that helps..."

It certainly does; thanks Klaus!

-Kurt


From psahores at easynet.fr  Wed Dec  1 10:57:56 2004
From: psahores at easynet.fr (Pierre Sahores)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 16:57:56 +0100
Subject: lessons from Java, OOP
Message-ID: <C43AA8DA-43B1-11D9-A834-000A95C61E96@easynet.fr>

Hello Xavier,

It's not a joke : Rev performances are in any case better than 
Tomcat/JSP ones and many more better than the JBoss/EJB2 ones, at least 
with apps binded to PostgreSQL (Web and ERP) or QTSS (live and on-dmand 
video streaming).

- Support, if needed, of thousands of write-mode connections peer 
second on x86 Linux servers (Web and ERP apps) with very lightweight 
bandwidth consommation,
- Very good results in about serving QTSS videostreams to Web or Rev 
client-side apps (Silver G4 and XServe G4 as servers, Renater3 
providing backbone),
- High level of security against intrusive attacks (beside firewalling, 
routing and DMZ, multi-level proxying application's protection),
- Ease of development, maintenance and updates of the apps,
- Leightweight of the final production applications,
- Satisfaction of the customers,
- Good returns, in about financial incomes.

Kind Regards, Pierre


PS : In my previous mail, please read, instead of the first issue :

> Because there is no way to get the Master of distribued application of
> the Ecole Pratique des Hautes-Etudes Institute (Sorbonne University -
> Paris, France) without building some Java apps, i worked, last year
> in coding some J2EE apps and deployed them under the Tomcat (JSP)
> and JBoss (EJB2) platforms...


Le 1 d?c. 04, ? 11:13, xbury.cs at clearstream.com a ?crit :

> Pierre,
>
> Very insightful!
>
> In your experience, is RunRev server side performance as good as Java?
>
> cheers
> ---------------------=---------------------
> Xavier Bury
> Clearstream Services
> TNS NT LAN Server
> ext 36465
> Voice: +352 4656 43 6465
> Fax: +352 4656 493 6465

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From userev at canelasoftware.com  Wed Dec  1 11:24:27 2004
From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 08:24:27 -0800
Subject: Credit card processing
In-Reply-To: <B671F3FC-43B0-11D9-8626-003065B0423A@together.net>
References: <20041201153647.49285.qmail@web52210.mail.yahoo.com>
	<B671F3FC-43B0-11D9-8626-003065B0423A@together.net>
Message-ID: <785442BF-43B5-11D9-A520-000393C3F5BC@canelasoftware.com>


On Dec 1, 2004, at 7:50 AM, Richard Miller wrote:

> This is no different than the hundreds of solutions already provided 
> on the Internet for processing a credit card through any given web 
> site...except that this is done through a custom Rev browser; not 
> Explorer.
>
> What Rev options are available to do this?
>
> Richard

You need to get a merchant account.  Which account makes a difference.  
Some companies will allow you to process data over the net while others 
will not.  Some leg work on your end will find the correct solution.  
The company that will allow you to do this will provide an API to 
access their network through your software.  Using the new SSL 
encryption capabilities will be needed since I assume the data will be 
done via the net automatically.

Your only obstacle is finding the right credit card processing company. 
  The other suggestions pretty much cover your user input code.  You 
will just need to write the sending and receiving code after you know 
their API.

You might contact Kagi.  If the services and items you are selling are 
inputed into their system, I think they will hand the processing for 
you.  Not really sure, but your research will let you know.

-- 
Best regards,
Mark Talluto
http://www.canelasoftware.com


From troy at rpsystems.net  Wed Dec  1 11:17:41 2004
From: troy at rpsystems.net (Troy Rollins)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 11:17:41 -0500
Subject: lessons from Java, OOP
In-Reply-To: <C43AA8DA-43B1-11D9-A834-000A95C61E96@easynet.fr>
References: <C43AA8DA-43B1-11D9-A834-000A95C61E96@easynet.fr>
Message-ID: <86BEB75D-43B4-11D9-8C5C-000A95A09CF8@rpsystems.net>


On Dec 1, 2004, at 10:57 AM, Pierre Sahores wrote:

> It's not a joke : Rev performances are in any case better than 
> Tomcat/JSP ones and many more better than the JBoss/EJB2 ones, at 
> least with apps binded to PostgreSQL (Web and ERP) or QTSS (live and 
> on-dmand video streaming).

Pierre,

Do you have any example stacks which show the nature of the QTSS 
interaction you are doing server-side?

Sounds very interesting.
--
Troy
RPSystems, Ltd.
http://www.rpsystems.net


From b.xavier at internet.lu  Wed Dec  1 11:36:50 2004
From: b.xavier at internet.lu (MisterX)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 17:36:50 +0100
Subject: Lessons from Themes
In-Reply-To: <C43AA8DA-43B1-11D9-A834-000A95C61E96@easynet.fr>
Message-ID: <20041201162842.B9297930075@mail.runrev.com>

Hey scripters!

As i imagined, the appearance-manager in RunRev doesn't tell you everything!
;)

Fields that look far apart enough in Windows dont in OSX...

I was wondering if there is a plan to make the OSX Aqua GUI available for
testing
multiplatformness Appearances in stacks? IOW, add XP and OSX to the "Look
and feel"
sub-menu of the View menu... 

I'll make a theme for it before holding my breath but seems kind of not fair
we 
can't visually style our apps for OSX from windows. 

Similarly, you can't preview the XP theme when in windows 2000. Is that
possible on
the mac side?

Should I bugzilla this enhancement request? 
Has anyone requested it before? I'll gladly vote 20 on that!

Yes, ThemeN2O is coming ;)

cheers
Xavier
--
MonsieurX.com -- Rev in Style!


From fde101 at fjrhome.net  Wed Dec  1 11:37:19 2004
From: fde101 at fjrhome.net (Frank D. Engel, Jr.)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 11:37:19 -0500
Subject: Lessons from Themes
In-Reply-To: <20041201162842.B9297930075@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20041201162842.B9297930075@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <448CF481-43B7-11D9-AD62-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>

My "Look and Feel" list under Rev 2.5, OS X, has these options:

Default Appearance Manager    (let OS X do the work)
MacOS Platinum Emulated
Windows Emulated
Motif Emulated

Note that this was discussed previously, and it is unlikely that a real 
"OS X" appearance will be possible under Windows, although you might 
think they could get close enough to at least deal with button border 
offsets, field offsets, etc...

On Dec 1, 2004, at 11:36 AM, MisterX wrote:

> Hey scripters!
>
> As i imagined, the appearance-manager in RunRev doesn't tell you 
> everything!
> ;)
>
> Fields that look far apart enough in Windows dont in OSX...
>
> I was wondering if there is a plan to make the OSX Aqua GUI available 
> for
> testing
> multiplatformness Appearances in stacks? IOW, add XP and OSX to the 
> "Look
> and feel"
> sub-menu of the View menu...
>
> I'll make a theme for it before holding my breath but seems kind of 
> not fair
> we
> can't visually style our apps for OSX from windows.
>
> Similarly, you can't preview the XP theme when in windows 2000. Is that
> possible on
> the mac side?
>
> Should I bugzilla this enhancement request?
> Has anyone requested it before? I'll gladly vote 20 on that!
>
> Yes, ThemeN2O is coming ;)
>
> cheers
> Xavier
> --
> MonsieurX.com -- Rev in Style!
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
>
-----------------------------------------------------------
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$ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
$ true | cat /usr/manual | grep "John 3:16"
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten 
Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have 
everlasting life.
$



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From bvg at mac.com  Wed Dec  1 11:53:38 2004
From: bvg at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 17:53:38 +0100
Subject: stacks interacting over LAN? (newbie)
In-Reply-To: <p0611040ebdd34541fadf@[10.0.1.2]>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20041130101814.0300f520@mail.tweedly.net>
	<20041130043949.20515.qmail@web51104.mail.yahoo.com>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20041130101814.0300f520@mail.tweedly.net>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20041201090949.027d2728@mail.tweedly.net>
	<p0611040ebdd34541fadf@[10.0.1.2]>
Message-ID: <8C21AD63-43B9-11D9-BEF2-000D932AE9E0@mac.com>


On Dec 01 2004, at 11:02, sims wrote:

>>
>> The effort to build and contribute an open-source chat program (or 
>> programs) is fantastic, and credit should go to the correct people - 
>> so I'm very sorry about getting this wrong.
>
> I'm curious about what security concerns that a chat (or sockets in 
> general) might open up
> for the user and what (if any) precautions need to be taken.

This of course varies with the implementation, but talking about 
chatrev, I can assure you that there is no security risk whatsoever for 
the client. This is mainly due to the fact that the client never opens 
a port. However this is about to change, as we are incorporating file 
transfer (Which needs a accept connection at one end). Still, the 
opened port is occupied by rev and closed swiftly after finishing 
transfer, and because of that you won't get any malicious attempt 
trough.

>
> Also, when setting up a chat for someone who has a firewall (uses a 
> proxy) in place and
> the Rev  "set the HTTPProxy to host:portNumber"  is used, are other 
> security concerns
> presented?

no, why should it?

>
> My questions spring from an appalling lack of knowledge of sockets  :-/
>
> sims
> EuroRevCon  2006!

<>()<>()<>()<>()<>()<>()<>()<>()<>()<>()<>

official ChatRev page:
http://chatrev.cjb.net:8080

Chat with other RunRev developers:
go stack URL "http://homepage.mac.com/bvg/chatrev1.2.5.rev"


From graham.samuel at blueyonder.co.uk  Wed Dec  1 11:53:49 2004
From: graham.samuel at blueyonder.co.uk (Graham Samuel)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 16:53:49 +0000
Subject: Presenting successive file names in 'Open'
In-Reply-To: <20041129234728.BF63F9300F4@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20041129234728.BF63F9300F4@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <9306FA9F-43B9-11D9-96E2-000D93B82F6C@blueyonder.co.uk>

Folks

I'm not sure how to approach this problem:

I want a user to see the contents of a series of text files, all in the  
same folder. Let's say the files are called A01,A02... G99 or something  
like that. The sequence of operations is -

1. The user is offered a normal 'open' dialog to select a file,  
initially navigating to the folder in question and picking A01 to read.

2. The user looks at the file, does some action and disposes of it.

3. The user usually then wishes to look at the next file in the  
alphabetical sequence (A02 in my example, but it might be any text  
string). Clearly she/he can navigate to this name by:

  a) remembering the name of the last file looked at;

b) scrolling down to the file below the last file looked at in the  
normal 'open' dialog

If there are a lot of files, this scrolling becomes tedious on most OSs  
(e.g in OSX the OS 'open' dialog doesn't hilite the last file read, nor  
does it scroll down to it), so I would prefer to propose the name of  
the next file in the sequence in the 'open' dialog for the user to  
accept or reject.

What would be the best way to do this? So far I've only thought of  
traversing the folder somehow before the user starts work, and putting  
all the file names in a list field for the user to pick from. Seems  
kind of overkill, though.

All thoughts gratefully received.

TIA

Graham
------------------------------------------------------------------------ 
---
Graham Samuel / The Living Fossil Co. / UK and France


From fde101 at fjrhome.net  Wed Dec  1 12:03:11 2004
From: fde101 at fjrhome.net (Frank D. Engel, Jr.)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 12:03:11 -0500
Subject: Presenting successive file names in 'Open'
In-Reply-To: <9306FA9F-43B9-11D9-96E2-000D93B82F6C@blueyonder.co.uk>
References: <20041129234728.BF63F9300F4@mail.runrev.com>
	<9306FA9F-43B9-11D9-96E2-000D93B82F6C@blueyonder.co.uk>
Message-ID: <E1AA1F2D-43BA-11D9-AD62-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>

If the filenames are always sequential and in that format, you could do  
something like this in a button (say, "Next File"):

on mouseUp
   put <the previous filename> into x
   put char 1 of x into aLetter
   put char 2 to 3 of x into aNumber

   add 1 to aNumber

   if aNumber is 100 then
     -- next letter
     put 0 into aNumber
   end if

   put aLetter & format("%02d", aNumber) into theNewFileName

   -- open the file
end mouseUp


Alternately, let the user pick the folder rather than the file, then do  
something like this:

   -- get the list of files and put them in hidden field "fileList"
   sort lines of field "fileList"

   -- open the file listed on the first line of field "fileList"
   delete line 1 of field "fileList"


then for your "Next File" button:

on mouseUp
   -- open the file listed on the first line of field "fileList"
   delete line 1 of field "fileList"
   if field "fileList" is empty then disable me
end mouseUp


On Dec 1, 2004, at 11:53 AM, Graham Samuel wrote:

> Folks
>
> I'm not sure how to approach this problem:
>
> I want a user to see the contents of a series of text files, all in  
> the same folder. Let's say the files are called A01,A02... G99 or  
> something like that. The sequence of operations is -
>
> 1. The user is offered a normal 'open' dialog to select a file,  
> initially navigating to the folder in question and picking A01 to  
> read.
>
> 2. The user looks at the file, does some action and disposes of it.
>
> 3. The user usually then wishes to look at the next file in the  
> alphabetical sequence (A02 in my example, but it might be any text  
> string). Clearly she/he can navigate to this name by:
>
>  a) remembering the name of the last file looked at;
>
> b) scrolling down to the file below the last file looked at in the  
> normal 'open' dialog
>
> If there are a lot of files, this scrolling becomes tedious on most  
> OSs (e.g in OSX the OS 'open' dialog doesn't hilite the last file  
> read, nor does it scroll down to it), so I would prefer to propose the  
> name of the next file in the sequence in the 'open' dialog for the  
> user to accept or reject.
>
> What would be the best way to do this? So far I've only thought of  
> traversing the folder somehow before the user starts work, and putting  
> all the file names in a list field for the user to pick from. Seems  
> kind of overkill, though.
>
> All thoughts gratefully received.
>
> TIA
>
> Graham
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- 
> ----
> Graham Samuel / The Living Fossil Co. / UK and France
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
>
-----------------------------------------------------------
Frank D. Engel, Jr.  <fde101 at fjrhome.net>

$ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
$ true | cat /usr/manual | grep "John 3:16"
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten  
Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have  
everlasting life.
$



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From chipp at chipp.com  Wed Dec  1 12:07:59 2004
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 09:07:59 -0800
Subject: Presenting successive file names in 'Open'
In-Reply-To: <9306FA9F-43B9-11D9-96E2-000D93B82F6C@blueyonder.co.uk>
References: <20041129234728.BF63F9300F4@mail.runrev.com>
	<9306FA9F-43B9-11D9-96E2-000D93B82F6C@blueyonder.co.uk>
Message-ID: <41ADFA6F.10902@chipp.com>

Graham,

Take a look at
answer folder
instead of
answer file

best,
Chipp

Graham Samuel wrote:

> I want a user to see the contents of a series of text files, all in the  
> same folder. 

From frank at backtalk.com  Wed Dec  1 12:06:26 2004
From: frank at backtalk.com (Frank Leahy)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 17:06:26 +0000
Subject: Credit card processing
In-Reply-To: <20041201164923.2E39793012E@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20041201164923.2E39793012E@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <55B8EDEE-43BB-11D9-810E-000A9580FCCE@backtalk.com>


On Dec 1, 2004, at 4:49 PM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com 
wrote:

> From: Richard Miller <wow at together.net>
> Subject: Re: Credit card processing
> To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Message-ID: <B671F3FC-43B0-11D9-8626-003065B0423A at together.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
>
> OK, let me try again. Here's want I want to do (and I know it can be
> done through numerous other programming environments).
>
> What Rev options are available to do this?
>

None directly, you'll have to code it yourself using the SSL features 
in 2.5.

You will need to find a credit card processor that supports a web-based 
protocol (e.g. XML over HTTPS) that let's you send the CC info, and get 
back a response (e.g. ok, declined, etc.).  There are several 
processors out there who have such a protocol -- 
http://www.concordefsnet.com/ is one such, and you can find others by 
Googling for "credit card processor https xml".

Good luck,

-- Frank

Web Photos Pro: Software for Photo Bloggers and Other Photo Power Users
See us on the web at http://www.webphotospro.com/



From frank at backtalk.com  Wed Dec  1 12:11:48 2004
From: frank at backtalk.com (Frank Leahy)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 17:11:48 +0000
Subject: Presenting successive file names in 'Open'
In-Reply-To: <20041201164923.2E39793012E@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20041201164923.2E39793012E@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <16008F7F-43BC-11D9-810E-000A9580FCCE@backtalk.com>

On Dec 1, 2004, at 4:49 PM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com 
wrote:

> From: Graham Samuel <graham.samuel at blueyonder.co.uk>
> Subject: Presenting successive file names in 'Open'
> To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Message-ID: <9306FA9F-43B9-11D9-96E2-000D93B82F6C at blueyonder.co.uk>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed
>
> Folks
>
> I'm not sure how to approach this problem:
>
> I want a user to see the contents of a series of text files, all in the
> same folder. Let's say the files are called A01,A02... G99 or something
> like that. The sequence of operations is -
>
...

> All thoughts gratefully received.
>
> TIA
>
> Graham

I'd recommend writing your own file list chooser.  It's easy enough -- 
create a new stack, add a list field, a couple of buttons, and you're 
done.  Look up the files names, then present them to the user in a way 
that works best for you (and them).

-- Frank

Web Photos Pro: Software for Photo Bloggers and Other Photo Power Users
See us on the web at http://www.webphotospro.com/



From webmaster at dreamscapesoftware.com  Wed Dec  1 12:17:48 2004
From: webmaster at dreamscapesoftware.com (Derek Bump)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 11:17:48 -0600
Subject: Reading the WAB
Message-ID: <001d01c4d7c9$af4c0650$5218113f@DOWNSTAIRS>

Anyone have any idea on how to parse the Windows Address Book?  I looked at one of the .wab files and everything is garbled.  Does anyone know how to parse it?
 

Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software
____________________________________________
Compress Images Easily with JPEGCompress
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com
 

From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Dec  1 12:27:30 2004
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 09:27:30 -0800
Subject: stacks interacting over LAN? (newbie)
In-Reply-To: <8C21AD63-43B9-11D9-BEF2-000D932AE9E0@mac.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20041130101814.0300f520@mail.tweedly.net>
	<20041130043949.20515.qmail@web51104.mail.yahoo.com>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20041130101814.0300f520@mail.tweedly.net>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20041201090949.027d2728@mail.tweedly.net>
	<p0611040ebdd34541fadf@[10.0.1.2]>
	<8C21AD63-43B9-11D9-BEF2-000D932AE9E0@mac.com>
Message-ID: <41ADFF02.5090205@fourthworld.com>

Bj?rnke von Gierke wrote:
 > On Dec 01 2004, at 11:02, sims wrote:
 >> I'm curious about what security concerns that a chat (or sockets in
 >> general) might open up for the user and what (if any) precautions
 >> need to be taken.
 >
 > This of course varies with the implementation, but talking about
 > chatrev, I can assure you that there is no security risk whatsoever
 > for the client. This is mainly due to the fact that the client never
 > opens a port.

How does it create a socket connection without opening a port?

 > However this is about to change, as we are incorporating file
 > transfer (Which needs a accept connection at one end). Still,
 > the opened port is occupied by rev and closed swiftly after
 > finishing transfer, and because of that you won't get any
 > malicious attempt trough.

I'm no security expert, and this may be just a case of my own ignorance 
getting the best of me, but for my own wares I would be very careful 
about offering such broad assurances for anything involving network 
software.  Maybe "unlikely to" is more accurate than "won't".

Anytime one computer talks to another there are at least two risks:

- One of the computers may be in the hands of someone
   with malicious intent

- While in transit the data may be intercepted
   by a malicious third party

The beauty of TCP is that it's a ubiquitous standard that's been around 
for a long, long time, so everyone uses it and all tools can be 
interoperable with it.

The downside of its ubiquity and maturity is that there are people out 
who devote a sad majority of their lives to mastering TCP specifically 
to destroy other people's constructive activity.  Most of those 
misanthropes are far smarter than me, and have a deeper knowledge of TCP 
and its implementations across operating systems than I'll ever have.

I believe that absolute security is not achievable, and that the best we 
can aim for is to slow down exploits.  That's no so bad, and is good 
enough for businesses and even governments to go about their business 
more productively than without software.

But I would be wary of giving people the impression that a software 
provides absolute security.  Instead, communicating what it does to 
protect itself may be all that's needed for the user to make their own 
risk assessment.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From psahores at easynet.fr  Wed Dec  1 12:30:56 2004
From: psahores at easynet.fr (Pierre Sahores)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 18:30:56 +0100
Subject: lessons from Java, OOP
In-Reply-To: <86BEB75D-43B4-11D9-8C5C-000A95A09CF8@rpsystems.net>
References: <C43AA8DA-43B1-11D9-A834-000A95C61E96@easynet.fr>
	<86BEB75D-43B4-11D9-8C5C-000A95A09CF8@rpsystems.net>
Message-ID: <C25B8F74-43BE-11D9-BDFD-000A95C61E96@easynet.fr>

Troy,

If you are accessing the Web trought, at least, a 1 Mb/s link (xDSL or 
so), i can send you some more off-list...

Best, Pierre

Le 1 d?c. 04, ? 17:17, Troy Rollins a ?crit :

>
> On Dec 1, 2004, at 10:57 AM, Pierre Sahores wrote:
>
>> It's not a joke : Rev performances are in any case better than 
>> Tomcat/JSP ones and many more better than the JBoss/EJB2 ones, at 
>> least with apps binded to PostgreSQL (Web and ERP) or QTSS (live and 
>> on-dmand video streaming).
>
> Pierre,
>
> Do you have any example stacks which show the nature of the QTSS 
> interaction you are doing server-side?
>
> Sounds very interesting.
> --
> Troy
> RPSystems, Ltd.
> http://www.rpsystems.net
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
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From jerry at daniels-mara.com  Wed Dec  1 12:45:52 2004
From: jerry at daniels-mara.com (Jerry Daniels)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 11:45:52 -0600
Subject: Rev-to-HyperCard-to-Rev (There and Back Again)
Message-ID: <D85E7FE4-43C0-11D9-BC3F-000A95B300EC@daniels-mara.com>

Fellow X-talkers...

This is not a question, but a simple reflection based upon a very 
recent experience.

I am working away on a commercial, vertical market application that 
needs to be ported from HyperCard to Revolution; from Mac OS9 to Mac 
OSX and Windows XP.

Migration:

1. I have, with the help of Chipp and Dan, built a brand new UI for the 
new application.
2. I am, however, migrating 100% of the data from HyperCard on OS9 to
     the new application and its platforms (Rev and the OS's).

To migrate the data, I have been working in HyperCard for a few days 
for the first time in nearly ten years.

Observations:

1. HyperCard was the king of data parsing in its day.
2. Revolution development time in this area is nearly TEN TIMES faster 
than HyperCard.
3. Revolution performance is nearly TEN TIMES faster than HyperCard.
4. I REALLY appreciate Revolution!

Without filter, replace, remote access of data (put line 1 of fld 
"Name" of stack "Mailing List 2" into theName), htmlText, and a host of 
other conveniences, we would be operating in the dark ages.

Bravo, to the Rev/MetaCard team over these last 15 years!

That said, there is one thing we could use from HyperCard: script 
formating/coloring built into the binary. This was built into HyperCard 
1.x and 2.x. I think it would be a big plus for Rev 3.x in the future.

Imagine...set the colors when the IDE opens, and, when it comes time to 
format a script, pass a field ID with a single call, and--WHAMMO--it 
formats the field into beautiful, indented, color-coded text. I'm 
talking full-bore formatting here: no saving htmlText or skimping by 
only formatting the current handler.

Just a thought...and maybe a point for future discussion.

Best,

Jerry Daniels
http://www.daniels-mara.com



From kray at sonsothunder.com  Wed Dec  1 12:43:42 2004
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 11:43:42 -0600
Subject: Reading the WAB
In-Reply-To: <001d01c4d7c9$af4c0650$5218113f@DOWNSTAIRS>
Message-ID: <BDD35EEE.9FBE%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 12/1/04 11:17 AM, "Derek Bump" <webmaster at dreamscapesoftware.com> wrote:

> Anyone have any idea on how to parse the Windows Address Book?  I looked at
> one of the .wab files and everything is garbled.  Does anyone know how to
> parse it?

There's some information on the file format here:

  http://www.devcity.net/forums/topic.asp?tid=46944&highlight=read%7Cwab

Looks like you need to parse the binary of the file.


Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From fde101 at fjrhome.net  Wed Dec  1 12:51:27 2004
From: fde101 at fjrhome.net (Frank D. Engel, Jr.)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 12:51:27 -0500
Subject: stacks interacting over LAN? (newbie)
In-Reply-To: <41ADFF02.5090205@fourthworld.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20041130101814.0300f520@mail.tweedly.net>
	<20041130043949.20515.qmail@web51104.mail.yahoo.com>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20041130101814.0300f520@mail.tweedly.net>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20041201090949.027d2728@mail.tweedly.net>
	<p0611040ebdd34541fadf@[10.0.1.2]>
	<8C21AD63-43B9-11D9-BEF2-000D932AE9E0@mac.com>
	<41ADFF02.5090205@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <9FF728A8-43C1-11D9-AD62-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>


On Dec 1, 2004, at 12:27 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Bj?rnke von Gierke wrote:
> > On Dec 01 2004, at 11:02, sims wrote:
> >> I'm curious about what security concerns that a chat (or sockets in
> >> general) might open up for the user and what (if any) precautions
> >> need to be taken.

Intercepted messages, forged messages, corrupted messages, ...

> >
> > This of course varies with the implementation, but talking about
> > chatrev, I can assure you that there is no security risk whatsoever
> > for the client. This is mainly due to the fact that the client never
> > opens a port.

Not true.  First of all, clients open a port in order to connect to the 
port on the server.  Both ends of a socket connection use a port.  The 
one at the server end accepts connections from other ports, while the 
one at the client end serves as a means by which to manage a connection 
to the server's port.

Also, there is always a security risk in everything done in any way 
with anything, and security is more than just preventing root access to 
a UNIX box and preventing transmission of unexpected data.  Your chat 
client does not control the protocol drivers in the operating system.  
Opening the client port may introduce vulnerabilities in the form of 
bugs in the underlying TCP/IP suite used by the operating system -- 
even though your code might be perfect, this could still create 
security risks to the client machine.

Additionally, depending on your chat client's protocol, there is the 
possibility that messages could be forged or intercepted.  SSL or other 
encryption packages can help to reduce, but not eliminate that risk.

>
> How does it create a socket connection without opening a port?
>
> > However this is about to change, as we are incorporating file
> > transfer (Which needs a accept connection at one end). Still,
> > the opened port is occupied by rev and closed swiftly after
> > finishing transfer, and because of that you won't get any
> > malicious attempt trough.

Not guaranteed.  If someone between the two systems on the connection 
intercepts the request to transfer a file, he could beat the other 
system to opening the connection to that port and send malicious or 
invalid data to it.  So instead of the screen saver user X expected, 
that EXE file installs a virus or some kind of spyware...

When one computer requests a file from another, the one granting the 
file transfer might have its attempt to send intercepted by someone in 
between, and the one intercepting the attempt could receive a copy of 
some sensitive document...

>
> I'm no security expert, and this may be just a case of my own 
> ignorance getting the best of me, but for my own wares I would be very 
> careful about offering such broad assurances for anything involving 
> network software.  Maybe "unlikely to" is more accurate than "won't".
>
> Anytime one computer talks to another there are at least two risks:
>
> - One of the computers may be in the hands of someone
>   with malicious intent
>
> - While in transit the data may be intercepted
>   by a malicious third party
>
> The beauty of TCP is that it's a ubiquitous standard that's been 
> around for a long, long time, so everyone uses it and all tools can be 
> interoperable with it.
>
> The downside of its ubiquity and maturity is that there are people out 
> who devote a sad majority of their lives to mastering TCP specifically 
> to destroy other people's constructive activity.  Most of those 
> misanthropes are far smarter than me, and have a deeper knowledge of 
> TCP and its implementations across operating systems than I'll ever 
> have.
>
> I believe that absolute security is not achievable, and that the best 
> we can aim for is to slow down exploits.  That's no so bad, and is 
> good enough for businesses and even governments to go about their 
> business more productively than without software.
>
> But I would be wary of giving people the impression that a software 
> provides absolute security.  Instead, communicating what it does to 
> protect itself may be all that's needed for the user to make their own 
> risk assessment.

True.  Security is relative to the task at hand, and to the perceived 
desirability of breaking that security.  This is definitely a moving 
target.

>
> -- 
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World Media Corporation
>  ___________________________________________________________
>  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com
>
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>
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$ true | cat /usr/manual | grep "John 3:16"
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten 
Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have 
everlasting life.
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From b.xavier at internet.lu  Wed Dec  1 13:14:50 2004
From: b.xavier at internet.lu (MisterX)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 19:14:50 +0100
Subject: Reading the WAB
In-Reply-To: <001d01c4d7c9$af4c0650$5218113f@DOWNSTAIRS>
Message-ID: <20041201180824.73D5493014D@mail.runrev.com>


start looking at technet.microsoft.com

or google "windows outlook wab file format source code vb script" 

or a combo of...

a little VBS might be the best way to get the data out...

hope you find it...
Xavier

> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com 
> [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of 
> Derek Bump
> Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 18:18
> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: Reading the WAB
> 
> Anyone have any idea on how to parse the Windows Address 
> Book?  I looked at one of the .wab files and everything is 
> garbled.  Does anyone know how to parse it?
>  
> 
> Derek Bump
> Dreamscape Software
> ____________________________________________
> Compress Images Easily with JPEGCompress 
> http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com
>  
> 


From rcozens at pon.net  Wed Dec  1 13:28:57 2004
From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 10:28:57 -0800
Subject: Presenting successive file names in 'Open'
In-Reply-To: <9306FA9F-43B9-11D9-96E2-000D93B82F6C@blueyonder.co.uk>
References: <20041129234728.BF63F9300F4@mail.runrev.com>
 <9306FA9F-43B9-11D9-96E2-000D93B82F6C@blueyonder.co.uk>
Message-ID: <a05210603bdd3bb93da37@[66.52.165.196]>

Hi Graham,

>I want a user to see the contents of a series of text files, all in 
>the same folder. Let's say the files are called A01,A02... G99 or 
>something like that. The sequence of operations is -
>
>1. The user is offered a normal 'open' dialog to select a file, 
>initially navigating to the folder in question and picking A01 to 
>read.
>
>2. The user looks at the file, does some action and disposes of it.
>
>3. The user usually then wishes to look at the next file in the 
>alphabetical sequence (A02 in my example, but it might be any text 
>string). Clearly she/he can navigate to this name by:
>
>  a) remembering the name of the last file looked at;
>
>b) scrolling down to the file below the last file looked at in the 
>normal 'open' dialog
>
>If there are a lot of files, this scrolling becomes tedious on most 
>OSs (e.g in OSX the OS 'open' dialog doesn't hilite the last file 
>read, nor does it scroll down to it), so I would prefer to propose 
>the name of the next file in the sequence in the 'open' dialog for 
>the user to accept or reject.
>
>What would be the best way to do this? So far I've only thought of 
>traversing the folder somehow before the user starts work, and 
>putting all the file names in a list field for the user to pick 
>from. Seems kind of overkill, though.
>
>All thoughts gratefully received.

If you were content to simply have the user pick among all files in 
the folder last visited, you could simply set the defaultFolder to 
the folder containing the last file selected after each selection.

Placing a list of the files in a field may seem like overkill; but it 
allows additional options.  Example:
With SDB's folder archive stack the user can deselect/select 
individual files by clicking on them and folders by ctrl-clicking on 
any file in a folder.  Deselected items are colored gray; selected 
items inherit the field's textColor.  You could use the same 
technique to mark which files on the list have already been visited.
-- 

Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)

From zink at newmex.com  Wed Dec  1 13:46:37 2004
From: zink at newmex.com (Nelson Zink)
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 11:46:37 -0700
Subject: Application vs. Player
In-Reply-To: <20041201144934.2DF129300D9@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BDD35F9D.6DB1%zink@newmex.com>

Jeanne A. E. DeVoto,

> On OS X: choose any stack file in the Finder and choose Get Info from
> the File menu. In the Info window, under "Open With", choose the Rev
> application and click "Change All".

May holiday blessings be upon you,  exactly what I wanted!

Nelson



From bvg at mac.com  Wed Dec  1 14:21:18 2004
From: bvg at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 20:21:18 +0100
Subject: stacks interacting over LAN? (newbie)
In-Reply-To: <41ADFF02.5090205@fourthworld.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20041130101814.0300f520@mail.tweedly.net>
	<20041130043949.20515.qmail@web51104.mail.yahoo.com>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20041130101814.0300f520@mail.tweedly.net>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20041201090949.027d2728@mail.tweedly.net>
	<p0611040ebdd34541fadf@[10.0.1.2]>
	<8C21AD63-43B9-11D9-BEF2-000D932AE9E0@mac.com>
	<41ADFF02.5090205@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <2D00853F-43CE-11D9-BEA7-000D932AE9E0@mac.com>

Dear Frank, Richard

You both raise valid concerns. However there is barelay a chance 
getting someone to interrupt your communication. In fact, I have yet to 
hear of such an attempt executed, anywhere (besides rumors about the US 
government). While direct exploits of programmatically errors I have 
heard of quite often.
The chatrev protocol is strict. The client ignores every malformed 
message, the server disconnects you if you send wrong data. Of course I 
can not guarantee the integrity of the underlying TCP/IP stack,  but 
then who can? There is a certain degree of trust involved. Chatrev 
users trust me, as I both "made" the protocol, and I do host the 
server. I trust RunRev to deliver a secure internet expirience. They 
trust the people that made the tcp implementation they use. And so on.
If you both are so concerned about the security of the Chatrev users, 
why don't you join us in the chat, or try to dissect the protocol and 
give us some security tips?

As for my mail it was in fact written too quickly and without much 
thoughts about all the possible risks, even if I myself deem them 
minor.

greetings
Bjoernke von Gierke

<>()<>()<>()<>()<>()<>()<>()<>()<>()<>()<>

official ChatRev page:
http://chatrev.cjb.net:8080

Chat with other RunRev developers:
go stack URL "http://homepage.mac.com/bvg/chatrev1.2.5.rev"


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Wed Dec  1 14:35:53 2004
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 13:35:53 -0600
Subject: Reading the WAB
In-Reply-To: <20041201180824.73D5493014D@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BDD37939.9FEC%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 12/1/04 12:14 PM, "MisterX" <b.xavier at internet.lu> wrote:

> windows outlook wab file format source code vb script

Did you try this search? Most of the entries are third-party utilities or
file extension definitions... if would be helpful if you could point to one
or more actual sites that contain source code that would help solve the
problem...

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From zink at newmex.com  Wed Dec  1 14:45:01 2004
From: zink at newmex.com (Nelson Zink)
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 12:45:01 -0700
Subject: Credit card processing
In-Reply-To: <20041201144934.2DF129300D9@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BDD36D4D.6DB6%zink@newmex.com>

To all,

For what it's worth here is an algorithm to identify 'good' credit card
numbers:

 ---- Determine the number of digits
    if the number of chars of temp =16 or the number of chars of temp=13
then
 ------Verification Algorithm
    if the number of chars of temp=16 then
      repeat with zz=1 to 8
        put 2*(char ((2*zz)-1) of temp) into CC
        if CC>=10 then put (cc mod 10)+1 into char ((2*zz)-1) of temp
        else put CC into char ((2*zz)-1) of temp
      end repeat
    end if
    
    if the number of chars of temp=13 then
      repeat with zz=1 to 6
        put 2*(char (2*zz) of temp) into CC
        if CC>=10 then put (cc mod 10)+1 into char (2*zz) of temp
        else put CC into char (2*zz) of temp
      end repeat
    end if
    
------ Sum all digits
    put empty into TT
    repeat with zz=1 to the number of chars of temp
      add char zz of temp to TT
    end repeat
     if TT mod 10 is not 0 then put "Number in error, re-enter Credit Card
number."

    else put "Re-enter Credit Card number-- incorrect number of digits."

end if
 

Nelson


From hershrev at realtorsgroup.us  Wed Dec  1 15:10:57 2004
From: hershrev at realtorsgroup.us (Hershel Fisch)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 15:10:57 -0500
Subject: Credit card processing
In-Reply-To: <BDD36D4D.6DB6%zink@newmex.com>
Message-ID: <1D1F7AE6-43D5-11D9-933E-0030654C1E62@realtorsgroup.us>

Hi gentlemen , you are missing the point . the question is  the same 
way you could do CC payment thru an ms internet explorer app. that 
connects to certain clearing houses this should be done from within a 
RR window ? and the answer is there is an external from ???? I think 
from Alt. to run explorer or ??? the other name from within RR.
Hershel
On Wednesday, December 1, 2004, at 02:45 PM, Nelson Zink wrote:

> To all,
>
> For what it's worth here is an algorithm to identify 'good' credit card
> numbers:
>
>  ---- Determine the number of digits
>     if the number of chars of temp =16 or the number of chars of 
> temp=13
> then
>  ------Verification Algorithm
>     if the number of chars of temp=16 then
>       repeat with zz=1 to 8
>         put 2*(char ((2*zz)-1) of temp) into CC
>         if CC>=10 then put (cc mod 10)+1 into char ((2*zz)-1) of temp
>         else put CC into char ((2*zz)-1) of temp
>       end repeat
>     end if
>
>     if the number of chars of temp=13 then
>       repeat with zz=1 to 6
>         put 2*(char (2*zz) of temp) into CC
>         if CC>=10 then put (cc mod 10)+1 into char (2*zz) of temp
>         else put CC into char (2*zz) of temp
>       end repeat
>     end if
>
> ------ Sum all digits
>     put empty into TT
>     repeat with zz=1 to the number of chars of temp
>       add char zz of temp to TT
>     end repeat
>      if TT mod 10 is not 0 then put "Number in error, re-enter Credit 
> Card
> number."
>
>     else put "Re-enter Credit Card number-- incorrect number of 
> digits."
>
> end if
>
>
> Nelson
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Dec  1 15:24:36 2004
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 12:24:36 -0800
Subject: stacks interacting over LAN? (newbie)
In-Reply-To: <2D00853F-43CE-11D9-BEA7-000D932AE9E0@mac.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20041130101814.0300f520@mail.tweedly.net>
	<20041130043949.20515.qmail@web51104.mail.yahoo.com>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20041130101814.0300f520@mail.tweedly.net>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20041201090949.027d2728@mail.tweedly.net>
	<p0611040ebdd34541fadf@[10.0.1.2]>
	<8C21AD63-43B9-11D9-BEF2-000D932AE9E0@mac.com>
	<41ADFF02.5090205@fourthworld.com>
	<2D00853F-43CE-11D9-BEA7-000D932AE9E0@mac.com>
Message-ID: <41AE2884.1050903@fourthworld.com>

Bj?rnke von Gierke wrote:
> If you both are so concerned about the security of the Chatrev users, 
> why don't you join us in the chat, or try to dissect the protocol and 
> give us some security tips?

I'm not concerned about the implementation at all.  I'm sure any risks 
are well managed and below the threshold for the uses it's put to.

Mine was just a generic concern for any network software that might 
claim to be entirely risk-free.  And as I said in that post, I'm no 
expert on security, far from it, so many others would be able to 
contribute much more there than me.

Sorry if my post was worded clumsily.  I have no problem with the 
software at all, but I do think it's useful to remind people that 
nothing is without risk, and encourage them to do their own risk 
assessment when possible.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  Developer of WebMerge: Publish any database on any Web site
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com

From alex at tweedly.net  Wed Dec  1 15:36:45 2004
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 20:36:45 +0000
Subject: Presenting successive file names in 'Open'
In-Reply-To: <9306FA9F-43B9-11D9-96E2-000D93B82F6C@blueyonder.co.uk>
References: <20041129234728.BF63F9300F4@mail.runrev.com>
 <20041129234728.BF63F9300F4@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20041201201017.0307ffe8@mail.tweedly.net>

At 16:53 01/12/2004 +0000, Graham Samuel wrote:

>Folks
>
>I'm not sure how to approach this problem:
>
>I want a user to see the contents of a series of text files, all in the
>same folder. Let's say the files are called A01,A02... G99 or something
>like that. The sequence of operations is -
>
>1. The user is offered a normal 'open' dialog to select a file,
>initially navigating to the folder in question and picking A01 to read.
>
>2. The user looks at the file, does some action and disposes of it.
>
>3. The user usually then wishes to look at the next file in the
>alphabetical sequence (A02 in my example, but it might be any text
>string). Clearly she/he can navigate to this name by:
>
>  a) remembering the name of the last file looked at;
>
>b) scrolling down to the file below the last file looked at in the
>normal 'open' dialog
>
>If there are a lot of files, this scrolling becomes tedious on most OSs
>(e.g in OSX the OS 'open' dialog doesn't hilite the last file read, nor
>does it scroll down to it), so I would prefer to propose the name of
>the next file in the sequence in the 'open' dialog for the user to
>accept or reject.
>
>What would be the best way to do this? So far I've only thought of
>traversing the folder somehow before the user starts work, and putting
>all the file names in a list field for the user to pick from. Seems
>kind of overkill, though.

This is actually much easier than you might think ....

The docs for "answer file" say
>The defaultPath is the name and location of the folder whose contents are 
>listed when the dialog box appears. If no defaultPath is specified, the 
>dialog box lists the contents of the last folder you used with a file 
>dialog box.

But in fact, the defaultPath can be the name and location of A FILE within 
a folder.
Thus, for example,
      answer file "Test" with "D:/Our Documents/Alex/RunRev/Boggal.rev"
opens the dialog at the correct folder, with the file "Boggal" pre-selected.

So you can allow the user to open the first file as normal, then on 
subsequent opens, do something like

>   set itemDel to "/"
>   put item 1 to -2 of lastFile into theFolder
>   put item -1 of lastFile into theName
>   put theFolder & "/" into theDefault
>   if lastFile <> "" then
>     set the defaultfolder to theFolder
>     put the short files into fList
>     sort flist
>     set wholeMatches to true
>     put lineOffset(theName, fList) into t
>     if  t > 0 then
>       put item -1 of line (t+1) of fList after theDefault
>     end if
>   end if
>   answer file "Your Prompt" with theDefault
>   put it into lastFile

(I'm sure you could re-write that code fragment into something neater - but 
it does work :-)

-- Alex.

From alex at tweedly.net  Wed Dec  1 15:36:45 2004
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 20:36:45 +0000
Subject: Presenting successive file names in 'Open'
In-Reply-To: <9306FA9F-43B9-11D9-96E2-000D93B82F6C@blueyonder.co.uk>
References: <20041129234728.BF63F9300F4@mail.runrev.com>
 <20041129234728.BF63F9300F4@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20041201201017.0307ffe8@mail.tweedly.net>

At 16:53 01/12/2004 +0000, Graham Samuel wrote:

>Folks
>
>I'm not sure how to approach this problem:
>
>I want a user to see the contents of a series of text files, all in the
>same folder. Let's say the files are called A01,A02... G99 or something
>like that. The sequence of operations is -
>
>1. The user is offered a normal 'open' dialog to select a file,
>initially navigating to the folder in question and picking A01 to read.
>
>2. The user looks at the file, does some action and disposes of it.
>
>3. The user usually then wishes to look at the next file in the
>alphabetical sequence (A02 in my example, but it might be any text
>string). Clearly she/he can navigate to this name by:
>
>  a) remembering the name of the last file looked at;
>
>b) scrolling down to the file below the last file looked at in the
>normal 'open' dialog
>
>If there are a lot of files, this scrolling becomes tedious on most OSs
>(e.g in OSX the OS 'open' dialog doesn't hilite the last file read, nor
>does it scroll down to it), so I would prefer to propose the name of
>the next file in the sequence in the 'open' dialog for the user to
>accept or reject.
>
>What would be the best way to do this? So far I've only thought of
>traversing the folder somehow before the user starts work, and putting
>all the file names in a list field for the user to pick from. Seems
>kind of overkill, though.

This is actually much easier than you might think ....

The docs for "answer file" say
>The defaultPath is the name and location of the folder whose contents are 
>listed when the dialog box appears. If no defaultPath is specified, the 
>dialog box lists the contents of the last folder you used with a file 
>dialog box.

But in fact, the defaultPath can be the name and location of A FILE within 
a folder.
Thus, for example,
      answer file "Test" with "D:/Our Documents/Alex/RunRev/Boggal.rev"
opens the dialog at the correct folder, with the file "Boggal" pre-selected.

So you can allow the user to open the first file as normal, then on 
subsequent opens, do something like

>   set itemDel to "/"
>   put item 1 to -2 of lastFile into theFolder
>   put item -1 of lastFile into theName
>   put theFolder & "/" into theDefault
>   if lastFile <> "" then
>     set the defaultfolder to theFolder
>     put the short files into fList
>     sort flist
>     set wholeMatches to true
>     put lineOffset(theName, fList) into t
>     if  t > 0 then
>       put item -1 of line (t+1) of fList after theDefault
>     end if
>   end if
>   answer file "Your Prompt" with theDefault
>   put it into lastFile

(I'm sure you could re-write that code fragment into something neater - but 
it does work :-)

-- Alex.

From userev at canelasoftware.com  Wed Dec  1 15:39:03 2004
From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 12:39:03 -0800
Subject: Credit card processing
In-Reply-To: <1D1F7AE6-43D5-11D9-933E-0030654C1E62@realtorsgroup.us>
References: <1D1F7AE6-43D5-11D9-933E-0030654C1E62@realtorsgroup.us>
Message-ID: <09F6084D-43D9-11D9-B621-000393C3F5BC@canelasoftware.com>


On Dec 1, 2004, at 12:10 PM, Hershel Fisch wrote:

> Hi gentlemen , you are missing the point . the question is  the same 
> way you could do CC payment thru an ms internet explorer app. that 
> connects to certain clearing houses this should be done from within a 
> RR window ? and the answer is there is an external from ???? I think 
> from Alt. to run explorer or ??? the other name from within RR.
> Hershel


This can be done from Rev directly with no need for an external nor 
Explorer.  No need for anything other than the needed hooks (APIs 
provided by the card processing company).  They will of course require 
the maker of this software to have an account with them.  In fact, the 
requirements are the same as if you wanted a credit card processor 
(device) in your office.  The only difference is that you do not need 
the swiper.

-- 
Best regards,
Mark Talluto
http://www.canelasoftware.com


From dsc at swcp.com  Wed Dec  1 15:55:13 2004
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 13:55:13 -0700
Subject: lessons from Java, OOP
In-Reply-To: <F8F0EAA74B352E42A1B31C25BF44AD3D3ADAE8@NTVRTCRDMM.main.lord.com>
References: <F8F0EAA74B352E42A1B31C25BF44AD3D3ADAE8@NTVRTCRDMM.main.lord.com>
Message-ID: <4BD42370-43DB-11D9-ABE2-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>


On Nov 29, 2004, at 12:35 PM, Ivers, Doug E wrote:

> Perhaps many of the best scriptors among us implement OOP concepts 
> (consciously or not).  For example, custom properties might be a good 
> way to encapsulate data in a field (or other control).  The key here 
> would be to write "get" and "set" scripts in the field script and 
> never touch the data except by sending messages to these handlers.  If 
> you do this, please send me tips/advice.

I use custom properties in custom controls and in certain cards and 
stacks.  I write setProp handlers for these in most cases and getProp 
handlers in many cases.

Unfortunately, it is not possible to write such handlers for built-in 
properties, so I have to use names based on my own abstractions.  Also, 
I can't define a custom property named 'text' and use that as the 
default property as in fields and images.

For a custom control, the custom properties of the enclosing group 
completely define the state of the control in my style.  All 
interaction is through these.  I do not fiddle with the enclosed 
objects.  (When I'm obeying my rules, which is usually the case.)

I also do this for stacks and sometimes cards.  For example, a stack 
representing the printed page of an invoice might be specified by a 
collection of custom properties.  In some cases, most properties are 
design time (say margins) and only a few are runtime.

Often, actions are not appropriately state related and using custom 
controls may seem silly.  In these cases I define handlers that are 
called.  However, I find that state via custom controls tends to model 
how I think of the object in most cases and for most features.

Sometimes I share scripts among custom controls by using a stack 
library or an invisible group with a cute image on card 1 (which I call 
a badge) or both.

There are other issues with custom controls and I'm still experimenting.

I'm still learning and would be glad to hear of any insights that your 
Java experience provides.

Dar

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From fde101 at fjrhome.net  Wed Dec  1 15:27:53 2004
From: fde101 at fjrhome.net (Frank D. Engel, Jr.)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 15:27:53 -0500
Subject: Credit card processing
In-Reply-To: <1D1F7AE6-43D5-11D9-933E-0030654C1E62@realtorsgroup.us>
References: <1D1F7AE6-43D5-11D9-933E-0030654C1E62@realtorsgroup.us>
Message-ID: <7A8C3608-43D7-11D9-AD62-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>

You would need to figure out what the requirements of the clearing 
house are.  Send the data they need, then parse the results they give 
you.  There is no simple answer for this question, it all depends on 
the company you are dealing with.  Does any of the data get sent as 
part of the URL?  How about as cookies?  Will the resulting data be in 
HTML?  XML?  Some proprietary custom format?  Maybe the clearing house 
doesn't use HTTP/HTTPS at all... maybe there is a custom protocol and 
you will need to deal with it at the socket level.

There is no straight answer here because it will vary depending on the 
clearing house.  You need to obtain info from them *first*, then you 
can start to consider how to handle communications from Rev.

On Dec 1, 2004, at 3:10 PM, Hershel Fisch wrote:

> Hi gentlemen , you are missing the point . the question is  the same 
> way you could do CC payment thru an ms internet explorer app. that 
> connects to certain clearing houses this should be done from within a 
> RR window ? and the answer is there is an external from ???? I think 
> from Alt. to run explorer or ??? the other name from within RR.
> Hershel
> On Wednesday, December 1, 2004, at 02:45 PM, Nelson Zink wrote:
>
>> To all,
>>
>> For what it's worth here is an algorithm to identify 'good' credit 
>> card
>> numbers:
>>
>>  ---- Determine the number of digits
>>     if the number of chars of temp =16 or the number of chars of 
>> temp=13
>> then
>>  ------Verification Algorithm
>>     if the number of chars of temp=16 then
>>       repeat with zz=1 to 8
>>         put 2*(char ((2*zz)-1) of temp) into CC
>>         if CC>=10 then put (cc mod 10)+1 into char ((2*zz)-1) of temp
>>         else put CC into char ((2*zz)-1) of temp
>>       end repeat
>>     end if
>>
>>     if the number of chars of temp=13 then
>>       repeat with zz=1 to 6
>>         put 2*(char (2*zz) of temp) into CC
>>         if CC>=10 then put (cc mod 10)+1 into char (2*zz) of temp
>>         else put CC into char (2*zz) of temp
>>       end repeat
>>     end if
>>
>> ------ Sum all digits
>>     put empty into TT
>>     repeat with zz=1 to the number of chars of temp
>>       add char zz of temp to TT
>>     end repeat
>>      if TT mod 10 is not 0 then put "Number in error, re-enter Credit 
>> Card
>> number."
>>
>>     else put "Re-enter Credit Card number-- incorrect number of 
>> digits."
>>
>> end if
>>
>>
>> Nelson
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
>
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$ true | cat /usr/manual | grep "John 3:16"
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten 
Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have 
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From hershrev at realtorsgroup.us  Wed Dec  1 15:53:03 2004
From: hershrev at realtorsgroup.us (Hershel Fisch)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 15:53:03 -0500
Subject: Credit card processing
In-Reply-To: <09F6084D-43D9-11D9-B621-000393C3F5BC@canelasoftware.com>
Message-ID: <FEA603C0-43DA-11D9-933E-0030654C1E62@realtorsgroup.us>


On Wednesday, December 1, 2004, at 03:39 PM, Mark Talluto wrote:

>
> On Dec 1, 2004, at 12:10 PM, Hershel Fisch wrote:
>
>> Hi gentlemen , you are missing the point . the question is  the same 
>> way you could do CC payment thru an ms internet explorer app. that 
>> connects to certain clearing houses this should be done from within a 
>> RR window ? and the answer is there is an external from ???? I think 
>> from Alt. to run explorer or ??? the other name from within RR.
>> Hershel
>
>
> This can be done from Rev directly with no need for an external nor 
> Explorer.  No need for anything other than the needed hooks (APIs 
> provided by the card processing company).  They will of course require 
> the maker of this software to have an account with them.  In fact, the 
> requirements are the same as if you wanted a credit card processor 
> (device) in your office.  The only difference is that you do not need 
> the swiper.
The reason why I didn't say RR direct is because of security.
Hershel
>
> -- 
> Best regards,
> Mark Talluto
> http://www.canelasoftware.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>


From hershrev at realtorsgroup.us  Wed Dec  1 16:07:02 2004
From: hershrev at realtorsgroup.us (Hershel Fisch)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 16:07:02 -0500
Subject: controls in flds
Message-ID: <F248E76F-43DC-11D9-933E-0030654C1E62@realtorsgroup.us>

Hi all , is there any way to place controls into scrolling flds meaning 
as long as you scroll the control is in your fld ?
Hershel


From alex at tweedly.net  Wed Dec  1 16:20:29 2004
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 21:20:29 +0000
Subject: stacks interacting over LAN? (newbie)
In-Reply-To: <2D00853F-43CE-11D9-BEA7-000D932AE9E0@mac.com>
References: <41ADFF02.5090205@fourthworld.com>
 <5.1.0.14.0.20041130101814.0300f520@mail.tweedly.net>
 <20041130043949.20515.qmail@web51104.mail.yahoo.com>
 <5.1.0.14.0.20041130101814.0300f520@mail.tweedly.net>
 <5.1.0.14.0.20041201090949.027d2728@mail.tweedly.net>
 <p0611040ebdd34541fadf@[10.0.1.2]>
 <8C21AD63-43B9-11D9-BEF2-000D932AE9E0@mac.com>
 <41ADFF02.5090205@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20041201205611.03085790@mail.tweedly.net>

At 20:21 01/12/2004 +0100, Bj?rnke von Gierke wrote:

>Dear Frank, Richard
>
>You both raise valid concerns. However there is barelay a chance getting 
>someone to interrupt your communication. In fact, I have yet to hear of 
>such an attempt executed, anywhere (besides rumors about the US 
>government). While direct exploits of programmatically errors I have heard 
>of quite often.

There have been attempts to hijack TCP connections in the course of them 
being opened. There was a spate of them around ten years ago, aimed at the 
backbone routers in Europe; I've never heard of any being successful, but 
there have certainly been attacks aimed at that vulnerability.

>The chatrev protocol is strict. The client ignores every malformed 
>message, the server disconnects you if you send wrong data. Of course I 
>can not guarantee the integrity of the underlying TCP/IP stack,  but then 
>who can? There is a certain degree of trust involved. Chatrev users trust 
>me, as I both "made" the protocol, and I do host the server. I trust 
>RunRev to deliver a secure internet expirience. They trust the people that 
>made the tcp implementation they use. And so on.
>If you both are so concerned about the security of the Chatrev users, why 
>don't you join us in the chat, or try to dissect the protocol and give us 
>some security tips?

I'd agree that this is a minimal risk, but if you decided it was worth 
worrying about, there are some possibilities ..... ranging from a simple 
password which must be supplied in the start of the transfer, through to 
md5 keys (a la rfc 2385, though implemented in the application since most 
TCPs won't support it).

The most interesting would be to simply pass the file transfer via the 
server. This would avoid any client ever having to "accept" 
connections.  This would have the added side benefit that it would allow 
two clients, both behind firewalls and/or NATs to transfer files, which 
they probably cannot do directly.

-- Alex.
P.S. I will be joining the chat ... any particular time(s) you tend to "meet" ?

From userev at canelasoftware.com  Wed Dec  1 16:20:30 2004
From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 13:20:30 -0800
Subject: Credit card processing
In-Reply-To: <FEA603C0-43DA-11D9-933E-0030654C1E62@realtorsgroup.us>
References: <FEA603C0-43DA-11D9-933E-0030654C1E62@realtorsgroup.us>
Message-ID: <D4427127-43DE-11D9-B621-000393C3F5BC@canelasoftware.com>


On Dec 1, 2004, at 12:53 PM, Hershel Fisch wrote:

> On Wednesday, December 1, 2004, at 03:39 PM, Mark Talluto wrote:
>
>>
>> On Dec 1, 2004, at 12:10 PM, Hershel Fisch wrote:
>>
>>> Hi gentlemen , you are missing the point . the question is  the same 
>>> way you could do CC payment thru an ms internet explorer app. that 
>>> connects to certain clearing houses this should be done from within 
>>> a RR window ? and the answer is there is an external from ???? I 
>>> think from Alt. to run explorer or ??? the other name from within 
>>> RR.
>>> Hershel
>>
>>
>> This can be done from Rev directly with no need for an external nor 
>> Explorer.  No need for anything other than the needed hooks (APIs 
>> provided by the card processing company).  They will of course 
>> require the maker of this software to have an account with them.  In 
>> fact, the requirements are the same as if you wanted a credit card 
>> processor (device) in your office.  The only difference is that you 
>> do not need the swiper.

> The reason why I didn't say RR direct is because of security.
> Hershel


Developing the app in Rev will not hinder the security of the data 
provided the processing company is compatible with SSL.  I think the 
hardest yet doable part of this whole thing is to find a processor that 
will allow this to take place at all.  My guess is that there are 
plenty of companies set up to do this.  Google searching will be needed 
here.

-- 
Best regards,
Mark Talluto
http://www.canelasoftware.com


From edgore at shinra.com  Wed Dec  1 16:22:47 2004
From: edgore at shinra.com (Edwin Gore)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 14:22:47 -0700
Subject: controls in flds
Message-ID: <200412012122.iB1LMlW9023484@mmm1505.boca15-verio.com>

No, but you could probably fake it up using a group with a scrollbar...

>----- ------- Original Message ------- -----
>From: Hershel Fisch <hershrev at realtorsgroup.us>
>To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>Sent: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 16:07:02
>
>Hi all , is there any way to place controls into
>scrolling flds meaning 
>as long as you scroll the control is in your fld ?
>Hershel
>
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>use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolu
>tion

From zink at newmex.com  Wed Dec  1 16:27:03 2004
From: zink at newmex.com (Nelson Zink)
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 14:27:03 -0700
Subject: Credit card processing
In-Reply-To: <20041201202922.9122E9300F7@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BDD38537.6DBA%zink@newmex.com>

use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com,

> Hi gentlemen , you are missing the point . the question is  the same
> way you could do CC payment thru an ms internet explorer app. that
> connects to certain clearing houses this should be done from within a
> RR window ? and the answer is there is an external from ???? I think
> from Alt. to run explorer or ??? the other name from within RR.

No, the task is to get the website to talk to the Merchant Bankcard
Processor. Setting the browser to secure mode isn't much of a trick, this
just facilitates the transfer. It would probably be best to phone your MBP
and see what format, etc. they want the data in.

My bank just (Nov 12) sent me notification that they're changing their MBP
to another firm--means I have to get new numbers, codes and so on.

This whole area (online commerce) is disgustingly arcane and offers an
opportunity to anyone who'll create a slick Rev package.


Nelson


From hershrev at realtorsgroup.us  Wed Dec  1 16:30:27 2004
From: hershrev at realtorsgroup.us (Hershel Fisch)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 16:30:27 -0500
Subject: controls in flds
In-Reply-To: <200412012122.iB1LMlW9023484@mmm1505.boca15-verio.com>
Message-ID: <37C2BFF0-43E0-11D9-933E-0030654C1E62@realtorsgroup.us>


On Wednesday, December 1, 2004, at 04:22 PM, Edwin Gore wrote:

> No, but you could probably fake it up using a group with a scrollbar...
how would I do that , what would the group give more then a table fld ?
Hershel
>
>> ----- ------- Original Message ------- -----
>> From: Hershel Fisch <hershrev at realtorsgroup.us>
>> To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Sent: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 16:07:02
>>
>> Hi all , is there any way to place controls into
>> scrolling flds meaning
>> as long as you scroll the control is in your fld ?
>> Hershel
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolu
>> tion
> _______________________________________________
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>


From dsc at swcp.com  Wed Dec  1 16:49:32 2004
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 14:49:32 -0700
Subject: OOP with Revolution
In-Reply-To: <20041201014243.15289.qmail@web51104.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20041201014243.15289.qmail@web51104.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <E24B21BA-43E2-11D9-ABE2-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>


On Nov 30, 2004, at 6:42 PM, Gordon wrote:

> How about a Rev component with no interactive features
> that could be used simply as a container for scripts
> and custom properties. It could be set in the rev
> preferences as visible or invisible on a card, but
> would otherwise inherit the properties of the general
> class of object from which I imagine all the other
> components are descended.

I have experimented with something that uses arrays and thus is outside 
the usual that folks are looking for OOPS, but you might find it fun or 
interesting.  All members including methods are array elements.  
Inheritance is by initialization copying (left to right for mixins).  
Maybe you can think of a better way.  Methods might be full handlers or 
references to handlers.  The first is very slow and the latter a little 
slow since 'do' and 'value' do not cache or do other related 
optimization (no enhancement request in bugzilla, yet?).  I have 
tinkered mostly with the latter.

Arrays have some limitations that make them hard to use as values, 
unfortunately.  An array element cannot be an array (bugzilla 555).  
You cannot nest functions involving array values (no enhancement 
request yet?).  Arrays cannot be in send parameters (bugzilla 1240).  
Keys cannot be binary in general (bugzilla 761).

Dar

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From edgore at shinra.com  Wed Dec  1 17:44:10 2004
From: edgore at shinra.com (Edwin Gore)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 15:44:10 -0700
Subject: controls in flds
Message-ID: <200412012244.iB1MiB5R045098@mmm1505.boca15-verio.com>

Well, I am assuming that youwant the control to move as you scroll the field, since if you didn't want that, you would just put the field beside the control.

If you wanted the control to move when you scroll the field, you can create your field (with no scroll bar of it's own) put the control on top of the field, group them both, assign a scroll bar to the group, then reduce the size of the group so the scroll bar is active.

Now when you move the scroll bar, both the field and the control will appear to scroll.

Is this what you are looking for?

>----- ------- Original Message ------- -----
>From: hershrev at realtorsgroup.us
>To: edgore at shinra.com,
>use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>Sent: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 16:30:27
>
>
>On Wednesday, December 1, 2004, at 04:22 PM, Edwin
>Gore wrote:
>
>> No, but you could probably fake it up using a
>group with a scrollbar...
>how would I do that , what would the group give
>more then a table fld ?
>Hershel
>>
>>> ----- ------- Original Message ------- -----
>>> From: Hershel Fisch <hershrev at realtorsgroup.us>
>>> To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>>> Sent: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 16:07:02
>>>
>>> Hi all , is there any way to place controls into
>
>>> scrolling flds meaning
>>> as long as you scroll the control is in your fld
>?
>>> Hershel
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-revolution mailing list
>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>>>
>http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolu
>
>>> tion
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>>
>http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolu
>tion
>>

From nrkweto03 at hotmail.com  Wed Dec  1 17:47:23 2004
From: nrkweto03 at hotmail.com (kweto)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 07:47:23 +0900
Subject: stacks interacting over LAN? (newbie)
References: 	<20041130043949.20515.qmail@web51104.mail.yahoo.com><BAY17-DAV45671A8B072935EE0BC54B2BE0@phx.gbl>
	<63963E1E-42F6-11D9-894A-000D93373366@canelasoftware.com>
Message-ID: <BAY17-DAV880AB5DD58E6F4065641AB2BF0@phx.gbl>

Hello again All,

I've begun learning and putting into effect everyone's kind advise about
linking stacks thru sockets. Especially useful were the chat stacks. I think
I have a strong sense now of how to make it all work. Thank you to all!

Now, a related-but-OT question. If messages from several computers/stacks
are sent out "simultaneously" to the one computer/stack which is intended
for accepting messages, in what order are those in-coming messages likely to
be handled? Of course, computers are fast so maybe there's nothing to worry
about, but a group of young learners can surprise teachers in unpredicted
ways, especially if they're clicking madly on the "I know the answer!"
buzzer-like button of the LAN-based, interconnected stacks I'm now planning.
I'm worried/scared that, even though given things being equal (such as
computer make and operating system), either the central stack itself or
perhaps even the router might re-shuffle "simultaneous" messages in some
sort of order other than a real-time one, and thus one learner will seem to
be winning all the time.

As always, thank you for all.

Cheers,
Nicolas Cueto
niconiko language school (Japan)

From userev at canelasoftware.com  Wed Dec  1 17:53:25 2004
From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 14:53:25 -0800
Subject: stacks interacting over LAN? (newbie)
In-Reply-To: <BAY17-DAV880AB5DD58E6F4065641AB2BF0@phx.gbl>
References: 	<20041130043949.20515.qmail@web51104.mail.yahoo.com><BAY17-DAV45671A8B072935EE0BC54B2BE0@phx.gbl>
	<63963E1E-42F6-11D9-894A-000D93373366@canelasoftware.com>
	<BAY17-DAV880AB5DD58E6F4065641AB2BF0@phx.gbl>
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On Dec 1, 2004, at 2:47 PM, kweto wrote:

> Hello again All,
>
> I've begun learning and putting into effect everyone's kind advise 
> about
> linking stacks thru sockets. Especially useful were the chat stacks. I 
> think
> I have a strong sense now of how to make it all work. Thank you to all!
>
> Now, a related-but-OT question. If messages from several 
> computers/stacks
> are sent out "simultaneously" to the one computer/stack which is 
> intended
> for accepting messages, in what order are those in-coming messages 
> likely to
> be handled? Of course, computers are fast so maybe there's nothing to 
> worry
> about, but a group of young learners can surprise teachers in 
> unpredicted
> ways, especially if they're clicking madly on the "I know the answer!"
> buzzer-like button of the LAN-based, interconnected stacks I'm now 
> planning.
> I'm worried/scared that, even though given things being equal (such as
> computer make and operating system), either the central stack itself or
> perhaps even the router might re-shuffle "simultaneous" messages in 
> some
> sort of order other than a real-time one, and thus one learner will 
> seem to
> be winning all the time.
>
>

Given that your users will be on a lan in the same physical location, 
the one that presses their button first should be the one to hit the 
server first.  If going over the net, lag time could affect the 
outcome, but should not be that critical.

-- 
Best regards,
Mark Talluto
http://www.canelasoftware.com


From hershrev at realtorsgroup.us  Wed Dec  1 17:45:48 2004
From: hershrev at realtorsgroup.us (Hershel Fisch)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 17:45:48 -0500
Subject: controls in flds
In-Reply-To: <200412012244.iB1MiB5R045098@mmm1505.boca15-verio.com>
Message-ID: <BEC6401A-43EA-11D9-933E-0030654C1E62@realtorsgroup.us>


On Wednesday, December 1, 2004, at 05:44 PM, Edwin Gore wrote:

> Well, I am assuming that youwant the control to move as you scroll the 
> field, since if you didn't want that, you would just put the field 
> beside the control.
>
> If you wanted the control to move when you scroll the field, you can 
> create your field (with no scroll bar of it's own) put the control on 
> top of the field, group them both, assign a scroll bar to the group, 
> then reduce the size of the group so the scroll bar is active.
>
> Now when you move the scroll bar, both the field and the control will 
> appear to scroll.
>
> Is this what you are looking for?
I didn't understand exactly , but what I need is to have btns in a 
table fld and while you scroll it should always produce a btn at the 
bottom of of the fld (the last line)
Thanks, Hershel
>
>> ----- ------- Original Message ------- -----
>> From: hershrev at realtorsgroup.us
>> To: edgore at shinra.com,
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Sent: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 16:30:27
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 1, 2004, at 04:22 PM, Edwin
>> Gore wrote:
>>
>>> No, but you could probably fake it up using a
>> group with a scrollbar...
>> how would I do that , what would the group give
>> more then a table fld ?
>> Hershel
>>>
>>>> ----- ------- Original Message ------- -----
>>>> From: Hershel Fisch <hershrev at realtorsgroup.us>
>>>> To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>>>> Sent: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 16:07:02
>>>>
>>>> Hi all , is there any way to place controls into
>>
>>>> scrolling flds meaning
>>>> as long as you scroll the control is in your fld
>> ?
>>>> Hershel
>>>>
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From rogerguay at centurytel.net  Wed Dec  1 17:55:42 2004
From: rogerguay at centurytel.net (Roger Guay)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 14:55:42 -0800
Subject: Still Confused About Launch
Message-ID: <20A0C124-43EC-11D9-859E-000D933610BE@centurytel.net>

Thanks, Frank.  It's always the simple things that cause you grief!!


On Nov 30, 2004, at 5:38 PM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com 
wrote:

> From: "Frank D. Engel, Jr." <fde101 at fjrhome.net>
> Subject: Re: Still Confused About Launch
> To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Message-ID: <061FC661-431D-11D9-B3CD-0050E410655F at fjrhome.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
>
> Only by opening another copy of the program, unless the program has a
> program-specific method of allowing this.
>
> On the Mac, there is a standard way of doing this, but not under *NIX
> or Windows.
>
>
> On Nov 30, 2004, at 3:51 PM, Roger Guay wrote:
>
>> I really did research the archive but I'm still a little confused
>> about Launch.  Is there any way to launch a Windows document who's
>> application is already open/launched?
>>
>> Thanks, Roger


From graham.samuel at blueyonder.co.uk  Wed Dec  1 18:00:17 2004
From: graham.samuel at blueyonder.co.uk (Graham Samuel)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 23:00:17 +0000
Subject: Presenting successive file names in 'Open'
In-Reply-To: <20041201202922.C801D9300F8@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20041201202922.C801D9300F8@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <C48CC54B-43EC-11D9-9495-000D93B82F6C@blueyonder.co.uk>

Thanks all who replied so quickly (two Franks, Chipp, Rob and Alex!

  I may have misled some readers by my example where the files were  
called A01, A02 etc - this was just an example. In fact they're just  
the titles of text files that need a certain kind of conversion: the  
titles reflect the contents and aren't really a numerically complete  
set. Also, I didn't want to open the file for the user, since in some  
cases he/she might choose to skip it. What I wanted to do was to point  
directly at the file to prevent all that tedious scrolling which one  
gets in OS 'open' dialogs that don't remember the last file you opened  
but just start at the top of the list again. As far as I remember, Mac  
OSX is worse at this than OS9 was.

This is why Alex's idea would work best for me if I could make it work:

>> This is actually much easier than you might think ....
>>
>> The docs for "answer file" say
>>> The defaultPath is the name and location of the folder whose  
>>> contents are
>>> listed when the dialog box appears. If no defaultPath is specified,  
>>> the
>>> dialog box lists the contents of the last folder you used with a file
>>> dialog box.
>>
>> But in fact, the defaultPath can be the name and location of A FILE  
>> within
>> a folder.
>> Thus, for example,
>>       answer file "Test" with "D:/Our  
>> Documents/Alex/RunRev/Boggal.rev"
>> opens the dialog at the correct folder, with the file "Boggal"  
>> pre-selected.
>>
>> So you can allow the user to open the first file as normal, then on
>> subsequent opens, do something like
>>
>>>   set itemDel to "/"
>>>   put item 1 to -2 of lastFile into theFolder
>>>   put item -1 of lastFile into theName
>>>   put theFolder & "/" into theDefault
>>>   if lastFile <> "" then
>>>     set the defaultfolder to theFolder
>>>     put the short files into fList
>>>     sort flist
>>>     set wholeMatches to true
>>>     put lineOffset(theName, fList) into t
>>>     if  t > 0 then
>>>       put item -1 of line (t+1) of fList after theDefault
>>>     end if
>>>   end if
>>>   answer file "Your Prompt" with theDefault
>>>   put it into lastFile
>>
>> (I'm sure you could re-write that code fragment into something neater  
>> - but
>> it does work :-)

The trouble is, my version of this code displays the right folder and  
within it the usual scrolling file list (this is OSX) but it doesn't  
preselect the file. Strange, since it worked for Alex, but I have quite  
carefully tested that my equivalent of his 'theDefault' is the complete  
path to the last file read (I've not yet reached the refinement of  
picking the actual next file).

I guess I may have to go back to one of the private-list based  
solutions.

Puzzled

Graham

------------------------------------------------------------------------ 
---
Graham Samuel / The Living Fossil Co. / UK and France


From userev at canelasoftware.com  Wed Dec  1 18:01:03 2004
From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 15:01:03 -0800
Subject: controls in flds
In-Reply-To: <BEC6401A-43EA-11D9-933E-0030654C1E62@realtorsgroup.us>
References: <BEC6401A-43EA-11D9-933E-0030654C1E62@realtorsgroup.us>
Message-ID: <E002CD4E-43EC-11D9-B0D7-000393C3F5BC@canelasoftware.com>


On Dec 1, 2004, at 2:45 PM, Hershel Fisch wrote:

> I didn't understand exactly , but what I need is to have btns in a 
> table fld and while you scroll it should always produce a btn at the 
> bottom of of the fld (the last line)
> Thanks, Hershel


This can be done easily enough.  Just check the scrollBarDrag message 
in the docs.
I have never used tables before since I roll my own.  I am not sure if 
they are made up of fields or what.  You would need to see if you can 
check the top of every field that needs to have a button.  Then set the 
bottom of every button to that top value.

-- 
Best regards,
Mark Talluto
http://www.canelasoftware.com


From shaosean at unitz.ca  Wed Dec  1 18:08:25 2004
From: shaosean at unitz.ca (shaosean at unitz.ca)
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 18:08:25 -0500
Subject: Reading the WAB
In-Reply-To: <20041201202922.629129300F4@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20041201202922.629129300F4@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <WorldClient-F200412011808.AA08250946@unitz.ca>

the actual file format of the WAB file isn't publicly available from 
microsoft (from at least all the research i've done).. supposedly it was 
released on one of their development cd's

what microsoft recommends is to use their API's to access the information 
in the WAB..

-Sean



From sarahr at genesearch.com.au  Wed Dec  1 18:12:29 2004
From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 09:12:29 +1000
Subject: Credit card processing
In-Reply-To: <F68A66A3-43AA-11D9-8CA1-000393C10758@all-auctions.com>
References: <20041130043949.20515.qmail@web51104.mail.yahoo.com>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20041130101814.0300f520@mail.tweedly.net>
	<BDC546DE-430D-11D9-BEF2-000D932AE9E0@mac.com>
	<DEFE7A9C-438E-11D9-8626-003065B0423A@together.net>
	<D86D4C05-4394-11D9-9C39-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>
	<F68A66A3-43AA-11D9-8CA1-000393C10758@all-auctions.com>
Message-ID: <790325E7-43EE-11D9-AA47-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au>

>> Sorry no idea how to validate a credit card number ;-)
>>
> A good start to this is to check what the first digit is.
> If it begins with a 4 it is a VISA card.  If it begins with a 5
> it is a MasterCard.
>

That may be true in the USA but it isn't true in Australia. Here 
Mastercard start with 5 but Visa can start with 4 or 5

:-)
Sarah


From tsj at unimelb.edu.au  Wed Dec  1 18:16:22 2004
From: tsj at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 10:16:22 +1100
Subject: Still Confused About Launch
In-Reply-To: <20041201225546.EE401930128@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20041201225546.EE401930128@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <04033120-43EF-11D9-96FA-0003930D06A0@unimelb.edu.au>

> Thanks, Frank.  It's always the simple things that cause you grief!!
>
>
> On Nov 30, 2004, at 5:38 PM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com 
> wrote:
>
>> From: "Frank D. Engel, Jr." <fde101 at fjrhome.net>
>> Subject: Re: Still Confused About Launch
>> To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
>> Message-ID: <061FC661-431D-11D9-B3CD-0050E410655F at fjrhome.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
>>
>> Only by opening another copy of the program, unless the program has a
>> program-specific method of allowing this.
>>
>> On the Mac, there is a standard way of doing this, but not under *NIX
>> or Windows.

Actually...

get shell("start"&&shortFilePath(someFilePath))

...works for me on Windows.

You need to use the shortFilePath() function to overcome problems 
caused by spaces etc. in long version filepaths.

Cheers,

Terry...

>>
>>
>> On Nov 30, 2004, at 3:51 PM, Roger Guay wrote:
>>
>>> I really did research the archive but I'm still a little confused
>>> about Launch.  Is there any way to launch a Windows document who's
>>> application is already open/launched?
>>>
>>> Thanks, Roger
>>>
Dr Terry Judd
Lecturer in Educational Technology (Design)
Biomedical Multimedia Unit
Faculty of Medicine, Dentistry & Health Sciences
The University of Melbourne
Parkville VIC 3052
AUSTRALIA


From sarahr at genesearch.com.au  Wed Dec  1 18:17:32 2004
From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 09:17:32 +1000
Subject: barcode scanner
In-Reply-To: <F6C0574C-434F-11D9-9DFD-000A959B2940@kagi.com>
References: <6F2ACB4B-42B3-11D9-BB1A-000393680A94@libero.it>
	<F6C0574C-434F-11D9-9DFD-000A959B2940@kagi.com>
Message-ID: <2D9B4BAB-43EF-11D9-AA52-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au>

>> I want  my  rev-application to collect  data from a  barcode scanner 
>> in background .  In other words,  I want to use my PC (WIN-XP) with 
>> other programs and at the same time I want  my application to collect 
>> and save data from the barcode scanner. Is it possible?
>
> yes but the input has to be through something other than the normal 
> keyboard interface. You'll need an alternate input stream and you'll 
> need code to watch that input stream. The most common, but becoming 
> obsolete quickly, is a serial interface. Then you have your app watch 
> the serial interface and handle the data it receives. Beyond my 
> abilities, I think Sarah has done much more work in this area.
>
There is a Serial test stack on my web site if you want to check out 
Kee's suggestion.

Alternatively, can you check if any field has the focus and if so, pass 
any keyDown or rawKeyDown, if not assume it is a barcode. You would 
need to make sure that the focus left fields after they had been edited 
or used, but I can't offer any suggestions on that without knowing your 
setup.

Or (more manually) have a checkbox that the user clicks (preferably 
with a keyboard shortcut) to toggle input from barcode scanner to 
keyboard.

Cheers,
Sarah
sarahr at genesearch.com.au
http://www.troz.net/Rev/


From alex at tweedly.net  Wed Dec  1 18:23:51 2004
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 23:23:51 +0000
Subject: Presenting successive file names in 'Open'
In-Reply-To: <C48CC54B-43EC-11D9-9495-000D93B82F6C@blueyonder.co.uk>
References: <20041201202922.C801D9300F8@mail.runrev.com>
 <20041201202922.C801D9300F8@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20041201232133.02f4d058@mail.tweedly.net>

At 23:00 01/12/2004 +0000, Graham Samuel wrote:


>This is why Alex's idea would work best for me if I could make it work:

....

>The trouble is, my version of this code displays the right folder and
>within it the usual scrolling file list (this is OSX) but it doesn't
>preselect the file. Strange, since it worked for Alex, but I have quite
>carefully tested that my equivalent of his 'theDefault' is the complete
>path to the last file read (I've not yet reached the refinement of
>picking the actual next file).

Sorry - I should have said that I was on Windows ..... it's probably a 
Windows-only variant to allow this.

>I guess I may have to go back to one of the private-list based
>solutions.

Yeah, I you might need to do that ...
-- Alex.

From davis.phil at comcast.net  Wed Dec  1 18:42:33 2004
From: davis.phil at comcast.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 15:42:33 -0800
Subject: Credit card processing
In-Reply-To: <790325E7-43EE-11D9-AA47-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au>
References: <20041130043949.20515.qmail@web51104.mail.yahoo.com>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20041130101814.0300f520@mail.tweedly.net>
	<BDC546DE-430D-11D9-BEF2-000D932AE9E0@mac.com>
	<DEFE7A9C-438E-11D9-8626-003065B0423A@together.net>
	<D86D4C05-4394-11D9-9C39-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>
	<F68A66A3-43AA-11D9-8CA1-000393C10758@all-auctions.com>
	<790325E7-43EE-11D9-AA47-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au>
Message-ID: <41AE56E9.6050201@comcast.net>

If you Google "validate credit card number" you'll come up with a whole list of 
sources for code examples in various dev tools and languages.

Here's a pretty good explanation in English:
   http://www.beachnet.com/~hstiles/cardtype.html


Phil Davis



Sarah Reichelt wrote:
>>> Sorry no idea how to validate a credit card number ;-)
>>>
>> A good start to this is to check what the first digit is.
>> If it begins with a 4 it is a VISA card.  If it begins with a 5
>> it is a MasterCard.
>>
> 
> That may be true in the USA but it isn't true in Australia. Here 
> Mastercard start with 5 but Visa can start with 4 or 5
> 
> :-)
> Sarah
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> 


From alex at tweedly.net  Wed Dec  1 19:52:50 2004
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 00:52:50 +0000
Subject: stacks interacting over LAN? (newbie)
In-Reply-To: <BAY17-DAV880AB5DD58E6F4065641AB2BF0@phx.gbl>
References: <20041130043949.20515.qmail@web51104.mail.yahoo.com>
 <BAY17-DAV45671A8B072935EE0BC54B2BE0@phx.gbl>
 <63963E1E-42F6-11D9-894A-000D93373366@canelasoftware.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20041202004419.0307fe78@mail.tweedly.net>

At 07:47 02/12/2004 +0900, kweto wrote:

>Hello again All,
>
>I've begun learning and putting into effect everyone's kind advise about
>linking stacks thru sockets. Especially useful were the chat stacks. I think
>I have a strong sense now of how to make it all work. Thank you to all!
>
>Now, a related-but-OT question. If messages from several computers/stacks
>are sent out "simultaneously" to the one computer/stack which is intended
>for accepting messages, in what order are those in-coming messages likely to
>be handled? Of course, computers are fast so maybe there's nothing to worry
>about, but a group of young learners can surprise teachers in unpredicted
>ways, especially if they're clicking madly on the "I know the answer!"
>buzzer-like button of the LAN-based, interconnected stacks I'm now planning.
>I'm worried/scared that, even though given things being equal (such as
>computer make and operating system), either the central stack itself or
>perhaps even the router might re-shuffle "simultaneous" messages in some
>sort of order other than a real-time one, and thus one learner will seem to
>be winning all the time.


As Marl says, not a technical problem. Though it is a good reminder to 
think about the potential load that a number of over-eager students might 
impose on a central server. Probably also not a big issue, given how fast 
computers are these days.

Nevertheless, I'd be inclined to treat this as an "educational opportunity".

1. Ensure that there is very clear visual feedback when a click has been 
detected (and the message sent ....)

2. Tell the pupils that there is no benefit to be gained from pressing the 
same button repeatedly.

(Of course, they've been telling us that for years about elevator call 
buttons, or pedestrian crosswalk buttons, and it's not stopped all those 
people you see pressing the same button over and over :-)

so, consider also,

3. Let it "leak out" that there might be a penalty for repeatedly pressing 
the same button.

Hmmmm, in fact - why not impose a minor penalty for frantically pressing 
the same button; indicates that someone is unwilling, or unable, to follow 
instructions.

Of course, you could simply disable the button after the first message has 
been sent, until the teacher has asked the next question or reset the test, 
or ....  but seeing who won't listen when told there is no point in doing 
something appeals to my sense of fun much more.

-- Alex.

From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net  Wed Dec  1 20:37:51 2004
From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 20:37:51 -0500
Subject: Credit card processing
In-Reply-To: <41AE56E9.6050201@comcast.net>
References: <20041130043949.20515.qmail@web51104.mail.yahoo.com>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20041130101814.0300f520@mail.tweedly.net>
	<BDC546DE-430D-11D9-BEF2-000D932AE9E0@mac.com>
	<DEFE7A9C-438E-11D9-8626-003065B0423A@together.net>
	<D86D4C05-4394-11D9-9C39-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>
	<F68A66A3-43AA-11D9-8CA1-000393C10758@all-auctions.com>
	<790325E7-43EE-11D9-AA47-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au>
	<41AE56E9.6050201@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <C7AC7735-4402-11D9-8941-000A95DA60FA@adelphia.net>

I signed up for PayPal Credit Card support and checked out the provided 
link. It was very straight forward. Sending the info with a product 
identifier and how to handle the payment etc.

FWIW

Tom

On Dec 1, 2004, at 6:42 PM, Phil Davis wrote:

> If you Google "validate credit card number" you'll come up with a 
> whole list of sources for code examples in various dev tools and 
> languages.
>
> Here's a pretty good explanation in English:
>   http://www.beachnet.com/~hstiles/cardtype.html
>
>
> Phil Davis
>
>
>
> Sarah Reichelt wrote:
>>>> Sorry no idea how to validate a credit card number ;-)
>>>>
>>> A good start to this is to check what the first digit is.
>>> If it begins with a 4 it is a VISA card.  If it begins with a 5
>>> it is a MasterCard.
>>>
>> That may be true in the USA but it isn't true in Australia. Here 
>> Mastercard start with 5 but Visa can start with 4 or 5
>> :-)
>> Sarah
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
>

Thomas J. McGrath III
SCS
1000 Killarney Dr.
Pittsburgh, PA 15234
412-885-8541


From xbury.cs at clearstream.com  Thu Dec  2 03:22:09 2004
From: xbury.cs at clearstream.com (xbury.cs at clearstream.com)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 09:22:09 +0100
Subject: Lessons from Themes
Message-ID: <OFEA7F168A.63B800B4-ONC1256F5E.0028455D-C1256F5E.002DF9C1@deutsche-boerse.de>

Frank,

>Note that this was discussed previously, and it is unlikely that a real
>"OS X" appearance will be possible under Windows, although you might
>think they could get close enough to at least deal with button border
>offsets, field offsets, etc...

First of all, windows 2000 doesn't offer an XP theme.
So, all you can do is simulate Windows 95 technology (9 years old!).
Second, if RR is going to be multiplatform, or even just WinPlatformed
you can't prepare the GUI for the other environments without investing 
into
that platform. 

There is no OSX GUI for windows and the differenses for offsets are 
enormous IMOHO.

The MacOS platinum GUI (note there is no MacOS7 GUI) is absolutely 
horrible in RunRev over windows! Doesn't feel at all like a Mac! And I
was hopping to replace explorer with a Finder of my own ;))

The GUI that looks great in Windows 95 is only a bit changed when in 
Win XP (usually 1 pixel here or there) but with OSX, it's as far as 10
pixels for a TabButton, 4 pixels for an option menu and all scrollbars
are different!

The fonts is yet another story! What looked great in Win32, looks 
completely unprofessional in OSX. Text is no longuer aligned to its
base as it was in windows (in the case of a label field with a row of
buttons in a horizontal line). Not having a vertical text alignment 
is also a needed feature...

While this may be normal as far as font changes, it means that all the 
text heights are different across platforms and nothing is aligned 
anymore. 

So far, this means that I have to rethink ALL my geometry again in 
ControlsN2O... Dreadful...

Even across Win95 and WinXP look and feel the differences are 
significant even in terms of "features". For example the groups
are no longuer opaque if there isn't a border! XP theme buttons 
are not automatic either...

So in a few words, the Look and Feel is nice to have but rather useless
unless your clients haven't upgraded their PCs or Macs for the last 
5 years! Even GIMP or Gnome or KDE is not implemented... Anyone
still using motif?

My only solution right now is to build a OSX GUI with OSX screenshot
parts to make sure they dont overlap! And the right solution might be
to just make a MacOSX stack, and a WinXP version separately.

And that's not very efficient! There's a lot of things to consider 
regarding 
this including customer satisfaction on your end. What will be their first
impression?!! 

All your suggestions and tips are welcome!

regards,
Xavier

On 01.12.2004 17:37:19 use-revolution-bounces wrote:
>My "Look and Feel" list under Rev 2.5, OS X, has these options:
>
>Default Appearance Manager    (let OS X do the work)
>MacOS Platinum Emulated
>Windows Emulated
>Motif Emulated
>
>Note that this was discussed previously, and it is unlikely that a real
>"OS X" appearance will be possible under Windows, although you might
>think they could get close enough to at least deal with button border
>offsets, field offsets, etc...
>
>On Dec 1, 2004, at 11:36 AM, MisterX wrote:
>
>> Hey scripters!
>>
>> As i imagined, the appearance-manager in RunRev doesn't tell you
>> everything!
>> ;)
>>
>> Fields that look far apart enough in Windows dont in OSX...
>>
>> I was wondering if there is a plan to make the OSX Aqua GUI available
>> for
>> testing
>> multiplatformness Appearances in stacks? IOW, add XP and OSX to the
>> "Look
>> and feel"
>> sub-menu of the View menu...
>>
>> I'll make a theme for it before holding my breath but seems kind of
>> not fair
>> we
>> can't visually style our apps for OSX from windows.
>>
>> Similarly, you can't preview the XP theme when in windows 2000. Is that
>> possible on
>> the mac side?
>>
>> Should I bugzilla this enhancement request?
>> Has anyone requested it before? I'll gladly vote 20 on that!
>>
>> Yes, ThemeN2O is coming ;)
>>
>> cheers
>> Xavier
>> --
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From FlexibleLearning at aol.com  Thu Dec  2 03:45:42 2004
From: FlexibleLearning at aol.com (FlexibleLearning at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 03:45:42 EST
Subject: controls in flds
Message-ID: <1e4.2f77bc0c.2ee03036@aol.com>

>Hi all , is there any way to place controls into scrolling flds meaning  
>as long as you scroll the control is in your fld ?
>Hershel
 

No, but you can useimageSource to represent the control. For  example, if you 
want to include check-boxes that toggle their state  then...

put the imagesource of the clickCharChunk into tIMSref
switch  tIMSref
case "ticked"
...
break
case  "unticked"
...
break
...
end switch

Hope this helps.
 
/H
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From runrev at jkvaldez.com  Thu Dec  2 10:07:38 2004
From: runrev at jkvaldez.com (runrev at jkvaldez.com)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 10:07:38 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Serial comm differences between PC & Mac?
Message-ID: <38002.127.0.0.1.1102000058.squirrel@127.0.0.1>

First, as always, thanks for the tremendous participation on this list!
Your efforts are very appreciated.

Short version
I'm connected via a serial cable to a device on OSX & all's well. I read
"1 int1" of data & receive data including control characters like 4, 7, 6.
Unplug serial cable & plug into PC. Now the control characters are unusual
values like -84 & other unexpected values occur along with the expected
values. Any idea why the data is different from OSX to PC?

Long version

I am connected via a serial cable (on OSX with a Keyspan serial adapter)
to our phone system to capture our call data. Thanks to Sarah's serial
stack (THANKS, SARAH!), I got up & running quickly & everything works
great. But when I unplug from my mac & plug into com1 on the PC & use my
program, I'm getting different results.

I'm filtering out control characters sent by our phone system & using only
the alphanumeric values. On OSX I may read 4, 7, 6, 67, 65, etc. I drop
the control characters (4, 7, 6) & convert the others to characters
(numToChar(67)=C, numToChar(65)=A). On the PC, however, the control
characters are very different, but the alphanumeric characters are fine.
On the PC I may read -84, 36 (which is a numToChar(36)=$, but a $ should
never appear from the phone system). But the actual call data is fine.

So my question is, why would the same program using the same cable yield
different results? Is there a difference in the values read by "read from
driver" verses "read from file"? Any ideas? TIA!!!

From chipp at chipp.com  Thu Dec  2 10:11:18 2004
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 07:11:18 -0800
Subject: Lessons from Themes
In-Reply-To: <OFEA7F168A.63B800B4-ONC1256F5E.0028455D-C1256F5E.002DF9C1@deutsche-boerse.de>
References: <OFEA7F168A.63B800B4-ONC1256F5E.0028455D-C1256F5E.002DF9C1@deutsche-boerse.de>
Message-ID: <41AF3096.1000602@chipp.com>

Xavier,

There are indeed a number of cross-platform positioning issues as you 
describe. Though, I don't think of them as RR's fault or responsibility, 
as they do provide tools to manage it. Just check out 'profiles.' You 
can set the loc, width, height, (in fact any property) of a control and 
then move it on startup. It's not that hard.

Also, as I'm sure many others have done, I have written my own 
positioning layout library with specific toggles for specific platforms.

Lastly, there are a number of major cross platform applications who 
ignore the repective native platform GUI's in favor of their own custom 
versions. If you create a custom GUI with it's own tabs, buttons, etc., 
then you need only concern yourself with the font setting in fields (I 
like Tahoma, it seems fairly consistent across Mac and PC platforms).

I hope this helps.

Chipp

xbury.cs at clearstream.com wrote:

>>Note that this was discussed previously, and it is unlikely that a real
>>"OS X" appearance will be possible under Windows, although you might
>>think they could get close enough to at least deal with button border
>>offsets, field offsets, etc...

From b.xavier at internet.lu  Thu Dec  2 10:32:28 2004
From: b.xavier at internet.lu (MisterX)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 16:32:28 +0100
Subject: Lessons from Themes
In-Reply-To: <41AF3096.1000602@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <20041202152430.611F89300DE@mail.runrev.com>

Thanks Chipp,

That will certainly help out! Although I like to keep GUIs in their
most native form. And in the case of compact GUI like ControlsN2O
this is a hard to see factor...

I feel like I keep saying the emperor is naked without realizing
he's taking a bath ;))

Do you have a tutorial on profiles or know where I can dig it?

TIA
Xa 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com 
> [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of 
> Chipp Walters
> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 16:11
> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: Re: Lessons from Themes
> 
> Xavier,
> 
> There are indeed a number of cross-platform positioning 
> issues as you describe. Though, I don't think of them as RR's 
> fault or responsibility, as they do provide tools to manage 
> it. Just check out 'profiles.' You can set the loc, width, 
> height, (in fact any property) of a control and then move it 
> on startup. It's not that hard.
> 
> Also, as I'm sure many others have done, I have written my 
> own positioning layout library with specific toggles for 
> specific platforms.
> 
> Lastly, there are a number of major cross platform 
> applications who ignore the repective native platform GUI's 
> in favor of their own custom versions. If you create a custom 
> GUI with it's own tabs, buttons, etc., then you need only 
> concern yourself with the font setting in fields (I like 
> Tahoma, it seems fairly consistent across Mac and PC platforms).
> 
> I hope this helps.
> 
> Chipp
> 
> xbury.cs at clearstream.com wrote:
> 
> >>Note that this was discussed previously, and it is unlikely that a 
> >>real "OS X" appearance will be possible under Windows, although you 
> >>might think they could get close enough to at least deal 
> with button 
> >>border offsets, field offsets, etc...
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From got at mindspring.com  Thu Dec  2 10:57:20 2004
From: got at mindspring.com (Gordon Tillman)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 09:57:20 -0600
Subject: Serial comm differences between PC & Mac?
In-Reply-To: <38002.127.0.0.1.1102000058.squirrel@127.0.0.1>
References: <38002.127.0.0.1.1102000058.squirrel@127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: <D9800C8E-447A-11D9-B3EC-000A95ADFC4C@mindspring.com>

Howdy!

About this:

> I am connected via a serial cable (on OSX with a Keyspan serial 
> adapter)
> to our phone system to capture our call data. Thanks to Sarah's serial
> stack (THANKS, SARAH!), I got up & running quickly & everything works
> great. But when I unplug from my mac & plug into com1 on the PC & use 
> my
> program, I'm getting different results.

I'm working on a form scanner application in RR that runs on Mac OS X 
and Windows.  I, too, use a KeySpan serial adapter to hook the form 
scanner to the Mac.  I found something very interesting.

As you know, you put your settings into the serialControlString before 
you open the connection.  I found that if I used a parity setting that 
was correct according to the device I was hooked to then I would get 
extra characters in the data that was read from the external device.

But I found that if I changed the PARITY value in the 
serialControlString to us no parity; e.g., PARITY=N, then the data was 
read correctly, with no extraneous characters, even though the device 
was using odd parity.

I am thinking that the KeySpan driver was massaging the data somehow, 
or else automatically doing the parity negotiation with the external 
device.

NOTE:  When I used the same device with the same KeySpan adapter, 
plugged into the USB port on my Windows machine, I did not see this 
phenomenon.

I don't know if this is what is causing your problem or not, but it may 
be worth looking in to.

--gordon


From fde101 at fjrhome.net  Thu Dec  2 11:09:57 2004
From: fde101 at fjrhome.net (Frank D. Engel, Jr.)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 11:09:57 -0500
Subject: stacks interacting over LAN? (newbie)
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20041202004419.0307fe78@mail.tweedly.net>
References: <20041130043949.20515.qmail@web51104.mail.yahoo.com>
	<BAY17-DAV45671A8B072935EE0BC54B2BE0@phx.gbl>
	<63963E1E-42F6-11D9-894A-000D93373366@canelasoftware.com>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20041202004419.0307fe78@mail.tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <9C9D9868-447C-11D9-AD62-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>

Or you could send a timestamp along with the message.

If you are going to "beep" do it immediately after recv'g the first 
message, but wait a few msecs to retrieve additional messages before 
deciding who was first.  Whenever you get one and there is already one 
pending, check the timestamps, and retain the earlier one.

This only works, of course, if the computers' clocks are in sync.  You 
should run some kind of network time sync on the computers in the 
school's lab just to be safe (I know there are free ones avail. for 
Windows and Linux/UNIX; OS X has one built-in, and I think OS 9 does as 
well...).


On Dec 1, 2004, at 7:52 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote:

> At 07:47 02/12/2004 +0900, kweto wrote:
>
>> Hello again All,
>>
>> I've begun learning and putting into effect everyone's kind advise 
>> about
>> linking stacks thru sockets. Especially useful were the chat stacks. 
>> I think
>> I have a strong sense now of how to make it all work. Thank you to 
>> all!
>>
>> Now, a related-but-OT question. If messages from several 
>> computers/stacks
>> are sent out "simultaneously" to the one computer/stack which is 
>> intended
>> for accepting messages, in what order are those in-coming messages 
>> likely to
>> be handled? Of course, computers are fast so maybe there's nothing to 
>> worry
>> about, but a group of young learners can surprise teachers in 
>> unpredicted
>> ways, especially if they're clicking madly on the "I know the answer!"
>> buzzer-like button of the LAN-based, interconnected stacks I'm now 
>> planning.
>> I'm worried/scared that, even though given things being equal (such as
>> computer make and operating system), either the central stack itself 
>> or
>> perhaps even the router might re-shuffle "simultaneous" messages in 
>> some
>> sort of order other than a real-time one, and thus one learner will 
>> seem to
>> be winning all the time.
>
>
> As Marl says, not a technical problem. Though it is a good reminder to 
> think about the potential load that a number of over-eager students 
> might impose on a central server. Probably also not a big issue, given 
> how fast computers are these days.
>
> Nevertheless, I'd be inclined to treat this as an "educational 
> opportunity".
>
> 1. Ensure that there is very clear visual feedback when a click has 
> been detected (and the message sent ....)
>
> 2. Tell the pupils that there is no benefit to be gained from pressing 
> the same button repeatedly.
>
> (Of course, they've been telling us that for years about elevator call 
> buttons, or pedestrian crosswalk buttons, and it's not stopped all 
> those people you see pressing the same button over and over :-)
>
> so, consider also,
>
> 3. Let it "leak out" that there might be a penalty for repeatedly 
> pressing the same button.
>
> Hmmmm, in fact - why not impose a minor penalty for frantically 
> pressing the same button; indicates that someone is unwilling, or 
> unable, to follow instructions.
>
> Of course, you could simply disable the button after the first message 
> has been sent, until the teacher has asked the next question or reset 
> the test, or ....  but seeing who won't listen when told there is no 
> point in doing something appeals to my sense of fun much more.
>
> -- Alex.
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From frank at backtalk.com  Thu Dec  2 12:23:21 2004
From: frank at backtalk.com (Frank Leahy)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 17:23:21 +0000
Subject: Lessons from Themes
In-Reply-To: <20041202170015.1B610930065@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20041202170015.1B610930065@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <DD79A170-4486-11D9-9746-000A9580FCCE@backtalk.com>


On Dec 2, 2004, at 5:00 PM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com  
wrote:

> From: xbury.cs at clearstream.com
> Subject: Re: Lessons from Themes
> To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Message-ID:
> 	<OFEA7F168A.63B800B4-ONC1256F5E.0028455D-C1256F5E.002DF9C1 at deutsche- 
> boerse.de>
>

> First of all, windows 2000 doesn't offer an XP theme.
> So, all you can do is simulate Windows 95 technology (9 years old!).
> Second, if RR is going to be multiplatform, or even just WinPlatformed
> you can't prepare the GUI for the other environments without investing
> into
> that platform.
...
> All your suggestions and tips are welcome!
>
> regards,
> Xavier
>

Native themes are the way to go, there's no reason for RunRev to spend  
1 minute on porting non-native themes to other platforms.  If your  
clients are still using 2000 then they don't expect it to look like XP.

It may be a cross-platform development tool, but they don't make it  
easy to actually get an app out the door on multiple platforms...I  
picked the worst offenders (in terms of controls that don't line up  
cross-platform) and use two profiles, one for MacOSX and one for  
Windows, to jiggle them up or down as needed.

That said, it would be nice if they would take even the littlest bit of  
care and make sure that control font-baselines actually lined up across  
platforms.  I submitted a bug before 2.5 went out, showing that there's  
a problem with fields and controls not lining up when you move a stack  
cross-platform, along with a very simple way to see how this happens,  
but they decided it wasn't important enough to fix.  Oh well...

-- Frank


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From rogerguay at centurytel.net  Thu Dec  2 12:45:34 2004
From: rogerguay at centurytel.net (Roger Guay)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 09:45:34 -0800
Subject: Still Confused about Launch
Message-ID: <F7DBA840-4489-11D9-94A2-000D933610BE@centurytel.net>

Terry,  I was under the impression that this would just open the 
application?   What I want to do is open a document who's application 
is already open.

Thanks, Roger


On Dec 2, 2004, at 9:00 AM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com 
wrote:

> Actually...
>
> get shell("start"&&shortFilePath(someFilePath))
>
> ...works for me on Windows.
>
> You need to use the shortFilePath() function to overcome problems
> caused by spaces etc. in long version filepaths.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Terry...


From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Thu Dec  2 12:53:46 2004
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 09:53:46 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Lessons from Themes
In-Reply-To: <20041202152430.611F89300DE@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0412020952540.16357-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

I would also appreciate viewing such a tutorial if anyone has one handy...

Judy

On Thu, 2 Dec 2004, MisterX wrote:

> Do you have a tutorial on profiles or know where I can dig it?


From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Thu Dec  2 13:00:32 2004
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 10:00:32 -0800 (PST)
Subject: OT: Request for Screenshot
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0412020952540.16357-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0412020956380.16357-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

Hi,

I know that this is a really stupid request, but I am looking for a
screenshot of Rev's colorized script editing window.  I thought that they
had one on their website a while back but, in quickly looking, I couldn't
find it.

So, why don't I roll my own?  Because my two main machines with a legit
version of Rev on them are ailing on life support until I can do serious
data recovery on one (yes, it had a backup system -- it was the backup
system that went kaput and took everything down with it!) and get the
other to boot at all and get files transferred (probably a cracked
motherboard courtesy of the kiddies).  I write this on my new, 2-day old
iBook with no OS9 and the only unlock code I can find is OS9 only...

Thanks if you can help... or for your time reading my tale of woe even if
you cannot.

Judy





From b.xavier at internet.lu  Thu Dec  2 13:27:20 2004
From: b.xavier at internet.lu (MisterX)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 19:27:20 +0100
Subject: Lessons from Themes
In-Reply-To: <DD79A170-4486-11D9-9746-000A9580FCCE@backtalk.com>
Message-ID: <20041202181907.DE829930068@mail.runrev.com>


> Native themes are the way to go, there's no reason for RunRev 
> to spend  
> 1 minute on porting non-native themes to other platforms.  If your  
> clients are still using 2000 then they don't expect it to 
> look like XP.

I dont mean to make aqua apps in windows. although, that's quite a poke for
a long awaited MacOS port for Windows (to make old or forced mac users on
PCs feel at home)! ;)) 

I mean, to deliver apps to a wide-os audience. I hope their GUI appearance
managers will show up correctly by nature or be ready for the design of
controls - that's all - that's what the Look and Feel feature is for which
is great but it's missing a couple OS's that have been around for a while!
Adding a theme capability to RunRev this way, WOULD BE COOL NONETHELESS
(hint... ;) 

Send me the text baseline bug number and I vote for it!

><avier 


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Thu Dec  2 13:25:21 2004
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 12:25:21 -0600
Subject: OT: Request for Screenshot
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0412020956380.16357-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
Message-ID: <BDD4BA31.A122%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 12/2/04 12:00 PM, "Judy Perry" <jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I know that this is a really stupid request, but I am looking for a
> screenshot of Rev's colorized script editing window.  I thought that they
> had one on their website a while back but, in quickly looking, I couldn't
> find it.

Just let me know what OS (or OSes) you need, and I'll send it over...

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From kray at sonsothunder.com  Thu Dec  2 13:28:13 2004
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 12:28:13 -0600
Subject: Still Confused about Launch
In-Reply-To: <F7DBA840-4489-11D9-94A2-000D933610BE@centurytel.net>
Message-ID: <BDD4BADD.A123%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 12/2/04 11:45 AM, "Roger Guay" <rogerguay at centurytel.net> wrote:

> Terry,  I was under the impression that this would just open the
> application?   What I want to do is open a document who's application
> is already open.

Actually, it acts like 2x-clicking the file/application at <someFilePath>,
but if the application is already open, it will most likely create another
instance in memory.

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From dsc at swcp.com  Thu Dec  2 13:44:49 2004
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 11:44:49 -0700
Subject: Serial comm differences between PC & Mac?
In-Reply-To: <38002.127.0.0.1.1102000058.squirrel@127.0.0.1>
References: <38002.127.0.0.1.1102000058.squirrel@127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: <3F13208A-4492-11D9-A09C-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>


On Dec 2, 2004, at 8:07 AM, runrev at jkvaldez.com wrote:

> Short version
> I'm connected via a serial cable to a device on OSX & all's well. I 
> read
> "1 int1" of data & receive data including control characters like 4, 
> 7, 6.
> Unplug serial cable & plug into PC. Now the control characters are 
> unusual
> values like -84 & other unexpected values occur along with the expected
> values. Any idea why the data is different from OSX to PC?

Is the port already open when you plug it in?  You might be getting 
garbage characters as you plug in the cable.  You might need to sync on 
something good.

I only use the chunktype of char.  Maybe you have stumbled on a feature 
of int1.  If you do switch to char and use charToNum(), you won't get 
the negative character value.

You might want to set the serialControlString.  I have a vague memory 
of a problem in relying on the default.  The -84 looks like a "." with 
the high bit set.  Maybe there is a problem with parity.  Are you 
seeing every other letter correctly, such as A, C, E?

There are other differences between the platforms, but they might not 
apply here.

Dar

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From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Thu Dec  2 14:11:49 2004
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 11:11:49 -0800 (PST)
Subject: OT: Request for Screenshot
In-Reply-To: <BDD4BA31.A122%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0412021111290.23893-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

Any should be fine...

Thank you :-D

Judy

On Thu, 2 Dec 2004, Ken Ray wrote:

> On 12/2/04 12:00 PM, "Judy Perry" <jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I know that this is a really stupid request, but I am looking for a
> > screenshot of Rev's colorized script editing window.  I thought that they
> > had one on their website a while back but, in quickly looking, I couldn't
> > find it.
>
> Just let me know what OS (or OSes) you need, and I'll send it over...
>
> Ken Ray
> Sons of Thunder Software
> Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
> Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
>
>
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> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>


From hershrev at realtorsgroup.us  Thu Dec  2 14:34:07 2004
From: hershrev at realtorsgroup.us (Hershel Fisch)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 14:34:07 -0500
Subject: controls in flds
In-Reply-To: <1e4.2f77bc0c.2ee03036@aol.com>
Message-ID: <21F9890C-4499-11D9-933E-0030654C1E62@realtorsgroup.us>


On Thursday, December 2, 2004, at 03:45 AM, FlexibleLearning at aol.com 
wrote:
>
>
> No, but you can useimageSource to represent the control. For  example, 
> if you
> want to include check-boxes that toggle their state  then...
Thanks, now where do I get a btn image or any other image that is not 
in the image library , e.g. a check Box ?
Hershel
>
> put the imagesource of the clickCharChunk into tIMSref
> switch  tIMSref
> case "ticked"
> ...
> break
> case  "unticked"
> ...
> break
> ...
> end switch
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> /H
> Hugh Senior
> The Flexible Learning Company
> Web:  www.FlexibleLearning.com
> E: h at flexiblelearning.com
> T/F: +44(0)1483.27 87  27
>
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Thu Dec  2 14:56:54 2004
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 11:56:54 -0800
Subject: Reading the WAB
In-Reply-To: <WorldClient-F200412011808.AA08250946@unitz.ca>
References: <20041201202922.629129300F4@mail.runrev.com>
 <WorldClient-F200412011808.AA08250946@unitz.ca>
Message-ID: <112808692.20041202115654@ahsoftware.net>

shaosean-

Wednesday, December 1, 2004, 3:08:25 PM, you wrote:

suc> the actual file format of the WAB file isn't publicly available from
suc> microsoft (from at least all the research i've done).. supposedly it was

...but if you study the source code for any of the current spate of
windows viruses you'll see how to (mis)use it. <g>

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net


From RGould8 at aol.com  Thu Dec  2 15:01:18 2004
From: RGould8 at aol.com (RGould8 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 15:01:18 EST
Subject: DMG compatibilty with browsers
Message-ID: <12d.50d8579f.2ee0ce8e@aol.com>

Can anyone tell me, from a Mac perspective, what various browsers to by 
default when one clicks on a hyperlink on a web-page that is a .DMG file?   

I'm finding that on my Mac, Safari downloads the .DMG and automatically 
mounts it.   IE just downloads it and does not auto-mount.   Curious if that's the 
way it's working on your Macs as well.   Also curious what FireFox does, and 
Opera, etc.

From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Dec  2 15:06:49 2004
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 12:06:49 -0800
Subject: controls in flds
In-Reply-To: <21F9890C-4499-11D9-933E-0030654C1E62@realtorsgroup.us>
References: <21F9890C-4499-11D9-933E-0030654C1E62@realtorsgroup.us>
Message-ID: <41AF75D9.7010500@fourthworld.com>

Hershel Fisch wrote:
> 
> On Thursday, December 2, 2004, at 03:45 AM, FlexibleLearning at aol.com wrote:
>> No, but you can useimageSource to represent the control. For  example, 
>> if you
>> want to include check-boxes that toggle their state  then...
> 
> Thanks, now where do I get a btn image or any other image that is not in 
> the image library , e.g. a check Box ?
> Hershel

You're welcome to use the images and code from the 4W devolution Setup 
plugin:

<http://www.fourthworld.com/products/devolution/index.html>

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  __________________________________________________
  Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev

From fde101 at fjrhome.net  Thu Dec  2 15:06:33 2004
From: fde101 at fjrhome.net (Frank D. Engel, Jr.)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 15:06:33 -0500
Subject: DMG compatibilty with browsers
In-Reply-To: <12d.50d8579f.2ee0ce8e@aol.com>
References: <12d.50d8579f.2ee0ce8e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <A9B6EB36-449D-11D9-AD62-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>

Ditto as to Safari, though I avoid IE (no comment here).

FireFox pops up a box asking you what to do, but the only available 
option is "Save to Disk", which results in the file being saved, but 
not mounted.

On Dec 2, 2004, at 3:01 PM, RGould8 at aol.com wrote:

> Can anyone tell me, from a Mac perspective, what various browsers to by
> default when one clicks on a hyperlink on a web-page that is a .DMG 
> file?
>
> I'm finding that on my Mac, Safari downloads the .DMG and automatically
> mounts it.   IE just downloads it and does not auto-mount.   Curious 
> if that's the
> way it's working on your Macs as well.   Also curious what FireFox 
> does, and
> Opera, etc.
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
>
-----------------------------------------------------------
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$ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
$ true | cat /usr/manual | grep "John 3:16"
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten 
Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have 
everlasting life.
$



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From BNZ2 at CDC.GOV  Thu Dec  2 14:50:14 2004
From: BNZ2 at CDC.GOV (Lynch, Jonathan)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 14:50:14 -0500
Subject: Progress on preventing multiple instances of a program from running
	in windows
Message-ID: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A90EC5A3@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>

Hello... the following script seems to work.

Factors to consider:
1)	The stack should be set to purge itself from memory upon closing
2)	Some firewalls might prevent the program from accepting
connections on a port
3)	This prevents multiple instances, but still does not quite allow
the two instances to communicate. Writing to a socket from one instance
seems to steal the ability of the other instance to listen to that
socket - I am still trying to work out how to do that.
4)	You might want to consider hiding the windows console and
setting the cursor to watch while the script performs the shell command.
5)	This will not work with the opensockets function, because that
does not return the sockets opened by the other instance. The shell
command for this works quite well (at least on my computer).

Cheers,
Jonathan


on preopenstack
  get shell("netstat -a")
  put it into OPS
  put the number of lines in OPS into Z
  set the itemdelimiter to ":"
  repeat with X = 1 to Z
    put word 2 of line X of OPS into WPS
    if item 2 of WPS = "48953" then put "open" into queryold
  end repeat
  if queryold = "open" then
    answer "This program is already running, do you wish to run another
instance of it?" with "No" and "Yes"
    put it into AAA
    if AAA = "No" then 
      close this stack
    end if
  else
    accept connections on port 48953 with message "queryinstance"
  end if
end preopenstack

on queryinstance skt
  -- to be used for further development
end queryinstance


From fde101 at fjrhome.net  Thu Dec  2 15:21:21 2004
From: fde101 at fjrhome.net (Frank D. Engel, Jr.)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 15:21:21 -0500
Subject: DMG compatibilty with browsers
In-Reply-To: <A9B6EB36-449D-11D9-AD62-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>
References: <12d.50d8579f.2ee0ce8e@aol.com>
	<A9B6EB36-449D-11D9-AD62-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>
Message-ID: <BAFB65CF-449F-11D9-AD62-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>

Opera also pops up a box and asks, but also gives you the option to 
"Open", which mounts the image.

On Dec 2, 2004, at 3:06 PM, Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote:

> Ditto as to Safari, though I avoid IE (no comment here).
>
> FireFox pops up a box asking you what to do, but the only available 
> option is "Save to Disk", which results in the file being saved, but 
> not mounted.
>
> On Dec 2, 2004, at 3:01 PM, RGould8 at aol.com wrote:
>
>> Can anyone tell me, from a Mac perspective, what various browsers to 
>> by
>> default when one clicks on a hyperlink on a web-page that is a .DMG 
>> file?
>>
>> I'm finding that on my Mac, Safari downloads the .DMG and 
>> automatically
>> mounts it.   IE just downloads it and does not auto-mount.   Curious 
>> if that's the
>> way it's working on your Macs as well.   Also curious what FireFox 
>> does, and
>> Opera, etc.
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>>
>>
> -----------------------------------------------------------
> Frank D. Engel, Jr.  <fde101 at fjrhome.net>
>
> $ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
> $ true | cat /usr/manual | grep "John 3:16"
> John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten 
> Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have 
> everlasting life.
> $
>
>
>
> ___________________________________________________________
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>
-----------------------------------------------------------
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$ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
$ true | cat /usr/manual | grep "John 3:16"
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten 
Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have 
everlasting life.
$



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From chipp at chipp.com  Thu Dec  2 15:34:50 2004
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 14:34:50 -0600
Subject: new altAnswerColor substack..
Message-ID: <41AF7C6A.4060703@chipp.com>

altAnswerColor subStack

Tired of the lame answer color dialog in WinXP? Replace it with the 
altAnswerColor substack. Works in both XP and Mac. One of the coolest 
features is the ability to 'lift' a color from anyplace on the screen. 
Plus, it has access to the standard color picker as well.

Instructions for using:

Insert the substack "altAnswerColor" into your main stack. Then check 
out the script of the btn "set color" below to see how to call it.

Bottom of page:
http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/RunRev/Downloads.htm

or type in the message box:

go URL "http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/RunRev/altAnswerColor.rev"

enjoy,

Chipp


-- 
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Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
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From runrev at jkvaldez.com  Thu Dec  2 16:06:42 2004
From: runrev at jkvaldez.com (runrev at jkvaldez.com)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 16:06:42 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Serial comm differences between PC & Mac?
Message-ID: <49692.127.0.0.1.1102021602.squirrel@127.0.0.1>

Gordon, great suggestion! Unfortunately when I altered my parity settings
in any manner I actually got more superfluous characters than before on
OSX, so I didn't try on  my PC. (BTW, your app sounds really interesting!
I'd like to know more about it off list.)

Dar, you're the expert of experts on Rev & serial comm: Thanks for your
reply! Before I answer your question, I should tell you I'm trying to
access call data (SMDR) from our Legend phone system. It uses a modified
DB9 adapter, but the adapter appears to work fine. I can, for example, use
it to program the phone system.

To answer your questions:

Yes, the port is closed before plugging in the cable. (I'm now making
double-sure to check it.)

Sorry, but I'm new to serial comm so I don't know specifically how to
"sync on something good" with rev. If you have a code snippet handy.... :)

Regarding char, I'm not getting good results using it. With char, it
usually just sits there & is slow to collect the data (but I think it does
work, just not very well). When I use int1, I can see all of the activity,
including control chars. But on my XP box, I see strange numbers that I
never get on the mac. Maybe I'll try on my Linux box, but it's a strange
inconsistency! (See below for an example.)

Yeah, my serialControlString is set to "BAUD=1200 PARITY=N DATA=8 STOP=1".

And the weird part is yes, the data I expect does come across ok,
generally speaking. See, I sometimes get these strange characters in
between, but the characters are there.

Here's an example. I'll read from the serial port in OSX:

6 67 32 49 50 47 48 50 47 48 52 32 49 52 58 51 56 32 32 32 32 32 32 32 32
32 32 32 32 32 32 32 32 32 73 78 32 32 48 48 58 48 48 58 49 55 32 32 32 56
48 57 32 32 52 50 51 32 32 32 32 32 32 32 32 32 32 32 32 32 32 32 32 32 32
32 32 32 32 32 13 10 7 5 5 4 5 6 5 6 4

Using numToChar() on each value CORRECTLY reveals:
C    12/02/04    14:38    IN    00:00:17    809    423

But in XP, I read:
-52 67 32 49 50 47 48 50 47 48 52 32 49 52 58 52 52 32 32 32 32 32 32 32
32 32 32 32 32 32 32 32 32 32 73 78 32 32 48 48 58 48 48 58 52 55 32 32 32
56 49 48 32 32 52 48 48 32 32 32 32 32 32 32 32 32 32 32 32 32 32 32 32 32
32 32 32 32 32 32 13 10 12 -100 12 -100 12 -100 -100 -100 -100 12 -84 12

Which CORRECTLY turns into:
C    12/02/04    14:44    IN    00:00:47    810    400

But notice the first few values in each raw data list. In OSX, I read 6 (a
control char) then 67 (which is "C" & is the beginning of the call data).
After the data, I get more control chars  4, 5, 6, & 7.

In XP, I first read -52! What's that? Then the trailing control chars are
12, -100, -84, etc. Strange.

Anyway, thank you both so much for the helpful advice!


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Thu Dec  2 16:23:09 2004
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 13:23:09 -0800
Subject: ANN: StacKnowledge v1.4
Message-ID: <1245983854.20041202132309@ahsoftware.net>

After some great feedback from beta users, I've revamped the
preliminary version of StacKnowledge and am making it publicly
available. The user experience has been changed a bit and it now
analyzes a whole stack at a time, rather than individual scripts (for
better or worse - it obviously takes more time).From the website:

StacKnowledge brings the power of C lint error-checking to Runtime Revolution. StacKnowledge allows you to find potential problem areas in your application before you ship. StacKnowledge is a powerful Quality Assurance tool for Runtime Revolution developers who are serious about their compile-and-debug cycle. It allows the developer to put more resources into creating code and fewer into runtime debugging. (hint: it's also useful for other xtalk environments)

With StacKnowledge you can:

    * See at a glance the constants, global variables, local variables with both script and handler scope, and handler parameters
    * Find unused constants, global and local variables
    * Find variables used only once
    * Find and fix undeclared variables (explicitVars)
    * Find mistyped variable names the compiler misses
    * Locate functions in your scripts that are only included for HyperCard and SuperCard compatibility (useful when importing stacks)
    * Warn about functions that may not work on specific platforms (Macintosh, Windows, linux)
    * See where variables are used
    * Move script variables to the top of a script for maintainability
    * Find empty handlers (probably unused code, but may block message passing)
    * ...and more...

StacKnowledge can be used as a plugin or as a standalone tool.
Comprehensive configuration options are available to allow you to control the depth of the evaluation process and the granularity of examination.

You can pick up StacKnowledge either in my revOnline space (mwieder)
or at http://www.ahsoftware.net/StacKnowledge.html

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net


From hershrev at realtorsgroup.us  Thu Dec  2 16:28:01 2004
From: hershrev at realtorsgroup.us (Hershel Fisch)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 16:28:01 -0500
Subject: controls in flds
In-Reply-To: <41AF75D9.7010500@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <0B79DA68-44A9-11D9-933E-0030654C1E62@realtorsgroup.us>

Thanks a million, Hershel Fisch
On Thursday, December 2, 2004, at 03:06 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Hershel Fisch wrote:
>> On Thursday, December 2, 2004, at 03:45 AM, FlexibleLearning at aol.com 
>> wrote:
>>> No, but you can useimageSource to represent the control. For  
>>> example, if you
>>> want to include check-boxes that toggle their state  then...
>> Thanks, now where do I get a btn image or any other image that is not 
>> in the image library , e.g. a check Box ?
>> Hershel
>
> You're welcome to use the images and code from the 4W devolution Setup 
> plugin:
>
> <http://www.fourthworld.com/products/devolution/index.html>
>
> --
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World Media Corporation
>  __________________________________________________
>  Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev
> _______________________________________________
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From hershrev at realtorsgroup.us  Thu Dec  2 16:31:59 2004
From: hershrev at realtorsgroup.us (Hershel Fisch)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 16:31:59 -0500
Subject: trigger in edit cell
Message-ID: <9942432E-44A9-11D9-933E-0030654C1E62@realtorsgroup.us>

Hi all
How can trigger a script when a fld "table edit cell" going from cell 
to cell ?
I tried the "tabKey" DW rawKey DW . what should I try ?
Thanks, Hershel


From dsc at swcp.com  Thu Dec  2 17:21:15 2004
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 15:21:15 -0700
Subject: Serial comm differences between PC & Mac?
In-Reply-To: <49692.127.0.0.1.1102021602.squirrel@127.0.0.1>
References: <49692.127.0.0.1.1102021602.squirrel@127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: <7B4A45AF-44B0-11D9-A09C-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>


On Dec 2, 2004, at 2:06 PM, runrev at jkvaldez.com wrote:

> In XP, I first read -52! What's that? Then the trailing control chars 
> are
> 12, -100, -84, etc. Strange.

The negative sign is from the MSB being set.  For example the -100 
would be 28 if the MSB was cleared.  But, 28 is not one of the values 
you expect, so I'm stumped.

A grounding problem can cause some errors with some characters and will 
often set the MSB (the last bit sent), but this does not look like a 
pattern I have seen.  Make sure the ground pin is wired.

While tinkering, try reading until empty several times collecting the 
characters and then charToNum those to dump.

My comment on syncing was simply to look for a pattern at the start of 
a message if you might get garbage characters at the start.

Some systems with isolated RS-232 use RTS to power transmission back.  
I would think you would get much less, if that was your problem.

Are you using "read from file" on Windows?

As you can probably tell, I'm grasping at straws.

Dar

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From webmaster at dreamscapesoftware.com  Thu Dec  2 17:34:31 2004
From: webmaster at dreamscapesoftware.com (Derek Bump)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 16:34:31 -0600
Subject: Reading the WAB
References: <20041201202922.629129300F4@mail.runrev.com>
	<WorldClient-F200412011808.AA08250946@unitz.ca>
	<112808692.20041202115654@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <002201c4d8bf$1910efb0$8474113f@DOWNSTAIRS>

> suc> the actual file format of the WAB file isn't publicly available from
> suc> microsoft (from at least all the research i've done).. supposedly it was
> 
> ...but if you study the source code for any of the current spate of
> windows viruses you'll see how to (mis)use it. <g>
 
That makes me wonder if any protection has been placed on the Windows Address Book.  I think at this point I'll just forget my integration ideas with the WAB.  Besides, with all of these Security Alert programs, most Windows Scripting Host scripts tend to throw up alerts now.

Why, oh why, do people feel the need to make viruses!


Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software
____________________________________________
Compress Images Easily with JPEGCompress
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com

From webmaster at dreamscapesoftware.com  Thu Dec  2 17:40:23 2004
From: webmaster at dreamscapesoftware.com (Derek Bump)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 16:40:23 -0600
Subject: new altAnswerColor substack..
References: <41AF7C6A.4060703@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <003901c4d8bf$ea9da690$8474113f@DOWNSTAIRS>

> Tired of the lame answer color dialog in WinXP? Replace it with the 
> altAnswerColor substack. Works in both XP and Mac. One of the coolest 
> features is the ability to 'lift' a color from anyplace on the screen. 
> Plus, it has access to the standard color picker as well.

This is a nice stack, but my opinion on this is that it still does not replace the color picker.  Now if you could make a color picker like the ones in Adobe PhotoShop or MacOS (Remember the Crayons!) then I would definately include the stack in on of my projects.

I do like the "lifting" ability.  That is a nice touch!
 

Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software
____________________________________________
Compress Images Easily with JPEGCompress
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com

From fde101 at fjrhome.net  Thu Dec  2 17:55:55 2004
From: fde101 at fjrhome.net (Frank D. Engel, Jr.)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 17:55:55 -0500
Subject: Apple scriptable standalones
In-Reply-To: <85F39D36-3C16-11D9-865D-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au>
References: <20041117160245.E482B930107@mail.runrev.com>
	<7D7BA6CA-3ACA-11D9-B885-0030657D0A8E@igame3d.com>
	<85F39D36-3C16-11D9-865D-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au>
Message-ID: <5321425F-44B5-11D9-AD62-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>

Making a little progress here, but can anyone tell me how to return a 
boolean value to AppleScript using Rev's "reply" command?  I can't seem 
to get this to work.

I tried things like "reply false" and "reply 0" but this did not work.

Or is there a different command for replying with boolean values?

On Nov 21, 2004, at 6:39 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

> I haven't tried this but I think that when you send an AppleScript 
> command to your application, it creates an AppleEvent message with 
> class = "misc" and ID = "dosc". If you have an AppleEvent handler in 
> your heirarchy, it can check for "dosc" events, use "request 
> appleEvent" to find out what data is being sent, and then "do" the 
> script. As Klaus suggested, the command sent should be the name of a 
> handler in your message hierarchy, preferably in the mainStack's stack 
> script.
>
> However this doesn't help with an AppleScript dictionary. Looking in 
> the application bundle for Apple's Mail, I see several files that look 
> promising. They have extensions of "scriptSuite" and 
> "scriptTerminology" and are pList files i.e. XML. You would have to 
> examine the structure to work out how to construct your own dictionary 
> for your app.
>
> Cheers,
> Sarah
>
> On 20 Nov 2004, at 6:04 pm, william griffin wrote:
>
>> Out of curiosity I decided to build a standalone and see
>> what effects Applescript could have on it.
>>
>> Script edit gave me an error as soon as I compiled this:
>> tell application "iGame3d"
>> do script "quit"
>> end tell
>>
>> So I went looking for the dictionary and there was none.
>>
>> How does one provide a dictionary for a rev standalone?
>>
>> I went digging through it in the revolution application folder
>> and package but no clue can be found.
>>
>> Mr Bill
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
>
-----------------------------------------------------------
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$ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
$ true | cat /usr/manual | grep "John 3:16"
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten 
Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have 
everlasting life.
$



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From Roger at logram.com  Thu Dec  2 18:03:51 2004
From: Roger at logram.com (Roger Amar)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 00:03:51 +0100
Subject: DLL problem
Message-ID: <028383377603B34D9728A1E80EA9B43B0131B2@srv.Logram.local>

I'm using CodeWarrior for Windows to write a dll. My OS is XP Pro SP2.
It compiles with no error, but the externalFunctions of my stack returns
empty. Then, my function return "error in function handler".
The same code compiled on my G4 as a xfcn is working perfectly.
What's wrong ? Anyone has an idea ?

Thanks,

Roger;

From got at mindspring.com  Thu Dec  2 18:20:04 2004
From: got at mindspring.com (Gordon Tillman)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 17:20:04 -0600
Subject: DLL problem
In-Reply-To: <028383377603B34D9728A1E80EA9B43B0131B2@srv.Logram.local>
References: <028383377603B34D9728A1E80EA9B43B0131B2@srv.Logram.local>
Message-ID: <B2AD8086-44B8-11D9-91F4-000A95ADFC4C@mindspring.com>

Hi Roger,

I have an external dll that I wrote for Mac OSX and Windows.  The Mac 
side is built using xtools, but the Windows side is built using CW.  
Now I did use CW for Mac (it can build windows code), but that 
shouldn't matter as the .mcp files are cross-platform.

I have archived the whole thing and posted  it here:

http://homepage.mac.com/gordyt/FileSharing13.html

If you like, download and unzip the file and take a look at what I have 
there.  I'm no expert or anything, but the external does work very 
well.

--gordon

On Dec 2, 2004, at 17:03, Roger Amar wrote:

> I'm using CodeWarrior for Windows to write a dll. My OS is XP Pro SP2.
> It compiles with no error, but the externalFunctions of my stack 
> returns
> empty. Then, my function return "error in function handler".
> The same code compiled on my G4 as a xfcn is working perfectly.
> What's wrong ? Anyone has an idea ?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Roger;
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>


From dsc at swcp.com  Thu Dec  2 18:50:09 2004
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 16:50:09 -0700
Subject: Serial comm differences between PC & Mac?
In-Reply-To: <49692.127.0.0.1.1102021602.squirrel@127.0.0.1>
References: <49692.127.0.0.1.1102021602.squirrel@127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: <E6341B4A-44BC-11D9-A09C-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>


On Dec 2, 2004, at 2:06 PM, runrev at jkvaldez.com wrote:

> Regarding char, I'm not getting good results using it.

Well, I can learn.  I did some quick tests and I think you might be 
right.  In a quick test, I dropped characters with char and did not 
with int1.  Weird.

With int1, all looked good.  I sent out all 256 codes using 
numToChar(), that is, 0 to 255, and read them back in using uint1 and 
got what I expected:  0 to 127 and then -128 to -1

This was on Windows XP using the built-in com1: on my PC.

Dar
****************************************
     Dar Scott Consulting
     http://www.swcp.com/dsc/
     Programming Services
****************************************


From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Thu Dec  2 18:55:58 2004
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 23:55:58 +0000
Subject: Wanted: idiot's guide to using Unicode in Rev
Message-ID: <BDD55C0E.25327%benr_mc@cogapp.com>

I've just fiddled (and part of my problem is that I don't know any non-roman
languages, so have very limited capability to understand if I'm doing
something right).

I have an app in which users edit text in a field; simple controls let them
apply simple styling (bold/italic/both) and some more perverse markup; a
popup stack menu assists in entering intering interesting non-roman
characters.

To date these have all been characters accomodated in the 8-bit ISO 8859 1
character set - now I need to handle some which come from extended code
blocks, for example o-macron, that is a latin small letter o with a
horizontal bar above.

I set the unicodeText of a field to the hex bytes 59 01 4D, which should be
"Y", followed by o-macron.  I got some interesting japanese characters in
the field.  What was going on there?  Should I have set the font to
something first, to avoid misinterpretation - but surely the whole point of
saying that it's unicode is that I'm specifying code points, there's no
interpretation needed.

And if I do have to set a font, how do I know which one to specify?  The
documentation talks about "Unicode fonts", and mentions "Osaka,Japanese" as
an example.  How can I find out which Unicode fonts are available - on my
system, on my user's system?  And if I found them, would it tell me which
language they relate to?  And in any case, how should I know which language
o-macron relates to?

If I construct an HTML file to include the text
    Y&#x014D;
or
    Y&#333;

and open this in a browser, I see in each case a capital Y followed by an
o-macron.  If I set the htmltext of a Rev field to the first of these, it is
reflected exactly, ie "Y&#x014D;".  If I set the htmlText of the field to
the second, it appears as "YM".

If I copy the text from the browser ("Y<o-macron>"), and paste it into the
field, it appears correctly.  If I then get the htmlText of the field, it
is:
    <p>Y<font face="Arial" lang="el">&#333;</font></p>

or sometimes I've got
    <p>Y<font face="Lucida Grande" lang="el">&#333;</font></p>

Again, can some kind soul help me understand the relation of fonts to using
Unicode?  If I want to set a character in a field to one outside the first
255 Unicode code points, do I need to do so in the context of a font?

Another specific question: can I set the label of a button to a unicode
string, or more generally to anything which requires more than simple roman
character set?

TIA,
 
  Ben Rubinstein               |  Email: benr_mc at cogapp.com
  Cognitive Applications Ltd   |  Phone: +44 (0)1273-821600
  http://www.cogapp.com        |  Fax  : +44 (0)1273-728866


From dsc at swcp.com  Thu Dec  2 19:33:32 2004
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 17:33:32 -0700
Subject: Serial comm differences between PC & Mac?
In-Reply-To: <E6341B4A-44BC-11D9-A09C-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
References: <49692.127.0.0.1.1102021602.squirrel@127.0.0.1>
	<E6341B4A-44BC-11D9-A09C-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <F5EDDE82-44C2-11D9-A09C-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>


On Dec 2, 2004, at 4:50 PM, Dar Scott wrote:

>> Regarding char, I'm not getting good results using it.
>
> Well, I can learn.  I did some quick tests and I think you might be 
> right.  In a quick test, I dropped characters with char and did not 
> with int1.  Weird.
>
> With int1, all looked good.  I sent out all 256 codes using 
> numToChar(), that is, 0 to 255, and read them back in using uint1 and 
> got what I expected:  0 to 127 and then -128 to -1
>
> This was on Windows XP using the built-in com1: on my PC.

I tried the tests on OS X.  For char I still lost some characters.  I 
actually lost a little more.  All chars after the first LF are thrown 
away.  This is with binary update!

For uint1, I ran into several problems.  The read would read random 
chars that aren't there.  Also, the characters with codes 10, 11 and 12 
are garbled.  The characters with codes 254 and 255 are often garbled.  
My test sent all codes in order so that might affect which ones got 
garbled.  I think the last two bytes got lost so that is why those got 
garbled; the read got data that was not real.

I'm using a keyspan USA-19QW on the Mac.  All tests opened for binary 
update.

At this point, I would trust the PC results over the Mac results.


BUT...  I went back and changed my PC test and... Yes.  uint will input 
garbage data.

Maybe those "control characters" are not real?

Dar

****************************************
     Dar Scott Consulting
     http://www.swcp.com/dsc/
     Programming Services
****************************************


From alw918 at earthlink.net  Thu Dec  2 22:58:39 2004
From: alw918 at earthlink.net (Andrew)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 19:58:39 -0800
Subject: Windows standalone no-nos
In-Reply-To: <20041201144934.20D599300EA@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <9D42C46A-44DF-11D9-B52D-000393DD0724@earthlink.net>

Hi, quick question.  I remember that when creating a Revolution stack 
that I intend to turn into a Windows standalone that I need to avoid 
certain characters
like the greater-than equals sign, etc.  But I have forgotten what 
other symbols I'm not allowed to use.  Is there a comprehensive list 
available somewhere of these Windows no-nos?
Thanks


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Dec  2 23:20:35 2004
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 22:20:35 -0600
Subject: DMG compatibilty with browsers
In-Reply-To: <12d.50d8579f.2ee0ce8e@aol.com>
References: <12d.50d8579f.2ee0ce8e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <41AFE993.5020302@hyperactivesw.com>

On 12/2/04 2:01 PM, RGould8 at aol.com wrote:

> Can anyone tell me, from a Mac perspective, what various browsers to by 
> default when one clicks on a hyperlink on a web-page that is a .DMG file?   

A related question, if anyone knows the answer: In general my browser 
will download a .dmg file to disk, as there is a MIME type in 
preferences set correctly to recognize .dmg files. But on some sites, 
they come through as plain text which displays in a browser window.

Is this due to a setting on the server? Or something about that 
particular file itself? Or what?

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com

From erikhans08 at yahoo.com  Fri Dec  3 01:08:46 2004
From: erikhans08 at yahoo.com (Erik Hansen)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 22:08:46 -0800 (PST)
Subject: select non-adjacent lines in a field?
In-Reply-To: <20041201072029.50269.qmail@web60507.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20041203060847.4993.qmail@web61107.mail.yahoo.com>


this has come up.
is there a good keyword 
for archive searching?

thanks,

Erik Hansen



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From briany at qldlearning.com  Fri Dec  3 01:17:41 2004
From: briany at qldlearning.com (Brian Yennie)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 22:17:41 -0800
Subject: DMG compatibilty with browsers
In-Reply-To: <41AFE993.5020302@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <0A014AAD-44F3-11D9-96BE-000393AA08D2@qldlearning.com>

> Is this due to a setting on the server? Or something about that 
> particular file itself? Or what?

It's probably a server setting issue- just as your browser is set to 
act on certain MIME types, web servers are setup to _send_ MIME types 
based on file extensions. Most likely the webserver doesn't recognize 
".dmg" and is sending the default- either text/html or text/plain. It's 
an easy 1-line config change for most web servers, but of course the 
common problem would be having access to those settings at all.

HTH,
Brian


From dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Fri Dec  3 03:20:11 2004
From: dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 08:20:11 +0000
Subject: DMG compatibilty with browsers
In-Reply-To: <12d.50d8579f.2ee0ce8e@aol.com>
References: <12d.50d8579f.2ee0ce8e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <26C056BC-4504-11D9-96AD-000A9569F8B0@lacscentre.co.uk>


On 2 Dec 2004, at 20:01, RGould8 at aol.com wrote:

> Can anyone tell me, from a Mac perspective, what various browsers to by
> default when one clicks on a hyperlink on a web-page that is a .DMG 
> file?
>
> I'm finding that on my Mac, Safari downloads the .DMG and automatically
> mounts it.

Safari has a Preferences setting -- Open "safe" files after 
downloading. This covers disk images. It is unchecked on my machine, 
but I don't know if it was that way by default.

Dave


From jamesjrichards at lineone.net  Fri Dec  3 05:23:52 2004
From: jamesjrichards at lineone.net (James Richards)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 10:23:52 +0000
Subject: DMG compatibilty with browsers
In-Reply-To: <20041202213537.979E4930112@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20041202213537.979E4930112@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <6DC0B098-4515-11D9-8322-0050E400C679@lineone.net>

This automount behaviour can be toggled in Safari Preferences > General 
which offers a checkbox option to 'Open "safe" files automatically' and 
lists the kind of files it applies to. I think the default setting is 
to open such files but obviously users might choose to reverse that, in 
other words you can't count on the particular behaviour.

IE (5.2.3) by contrast only automatically (depending on preferences 
set) handles MacBinary and BinHex files. I haven't tried this (I don't 
use IE) but I guess if you assigned DiskUtility as a helper application 
to DMG files then they might automount.

Regards

James
--
James J Richards

jamesjrichards at lineone.net

Tel. +44 (0)15394 43063

On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 15:01:18 EST, RGould8 via 
use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com wrote:

> Can anyone tell me, from a Mac perspective, what various browsers to by
> default when one clicks on a hyperlink on a web-page that is a .DMG
> file?
>
> I'm finding that on my Mac, Safari downloads the .DMG and automatically
> mounts it.   IE just downloads it and does not auto-mount.   Curious
> if that's the way it's working on your Macs as well.   Also curious 
> what FireFox
> does, and Opera, etc.

From douez at wanadoo.fr  Fri Dec  3 05:52:23 2004
From: douez at wanadoo.fr (thierry)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 11:52:23 +0100
Subject: Progress on preventing multiple instances of a program from
	running in windows
In-Reply-To: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A90EC5A3@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
References: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A90EC5A3@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
Message-ID: <349428534.20041203115223@wanadoo.fr>

Hi,

LJ> Hello... the following script seems to work.

LJ> Factors to consider:
LJ> 1)The stack should be set to purge itself from memory upon closing
LJ> 2)Some firewalls might prevent the program from accepting
LJ> connections on a port
LJ> 3)This prevents multiple instances, but still does not quite allow
LJ> the two instances to communicate. Writing to a socket from one instance
LJ> seems to steal the ability of the other instance to listen to that
LJ> socket - I am still trying to work out how to do that.

humm, with my little experience, you probably need to differenciate the 1st
instance from the second. if the first do a accept connection ( Server mode )
the second instance should do a connect as a client. So, if you see yourself
in the netstat result then run a open socket on the port.

LJ> 4)You might want to consider hiding the windows console and
LJ> setting the cursor to watch while the script performs the shell command.
LJ> 5)This will not work with the opensockets function, because that
LJ> does not return the sockets opened by the other instance. The shell
LJ> command for this works quite well (at least on my computer).

LJ> Cheers,
LJ> Jonathan


LJ> on preopenstack
LJ>   get shell("netstat -a")
LJ>   put it into OPS
LJ>   put the number of lines in OPS into Z
LJ>   set the itemdelimiter to ":"
LJ>   repeat with X = 1 to Z
LJ>     put word 2 of line X of OPS into WPS
LJ>     if item 2 of WPS = "48953" then put "open" into queryold
LJ>   end repeat
LJ>   if queryold = "open" then
LJ>     answer "This program is already running, do you wish to run another
LJ> instance of it?" with "No" and "Yes"
LJ>     put it into AAA
LJ>     if AAA = "No" then 
LJ>       close this stack
LJ>     end if
LJ>   else
LJ>     accept connections on port 48953 with message "queryinstance"
LJ>   end if
LJ> end preopenstack

Running get shell("netstat -a") , i got this on a Win98 box :

Active Connections

  Proto  Local Address          Foreign Address        State
  TCP    xxxxx:1068             0.0.0.0:0              LISTENING
  TCP    xxxxx:2530             0.0.0.0:0              LISTENING
  TCP    xxxxx:1068             127.0.0.1:2530         ESTABLISHED
  TCP    xxxxx:2530             127.0.0.1:1068         ESTABLISHED

  what i don't understand is that i do only one <accept connection>,
  and then only one external process read the socket. So, why this
  4 lines ?


Regards, thierry




From Roger at logram.com  Fri Dec  3 07:06:06 2004
From: Roger at logram.com (Roger Amar)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 13:06:06 +0100
Subject: DLL problem
Message-ID: <028383377603B34D9728A1E80EA9B43B0131B6@srv.Logram.local>

Thanks a lot Gordon !
I'll try to find what is wrong and keep you informed.
Roger; 

-----Message d'origine-----
De : use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] De la part de Gordon Tillman
Envoy? : vendredi 3 d?cembre 2004 00:20
? : How to use Revolution
Objet : Re: DLL problem

Hi Roger,

I have an external dll that I wrote for Mac OSX and Windows.  The Mac side is built using xtools, but the Windows side is built using CW.  
Now I did use CW for Mac (it can build windows code), but that shouldn't matter as the .mcp files are cross-platform.

I have archived the whole thing and posted  it here:

http://homepage.mac.com/gordyt/FileSharing13.html

If you like, download and unzip the file and take a look at what I have there.  I'm no expert or anything, but the external does work very well.

--gordon

On Dec 2, 2004, at 17:03, Roger Amar wrote:

> I'm using CodeWarrior for Windows to write a dll. My OS is XP Pro SP2.
> It compiles with no error, but the externalFunctions of my stack 
> returns empty. Then, my function return "error in function handler".
> The same code compiled on my G4 as a xfcn is working perfectly.
> What's wrong ? Anyone has an idea ?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Roger;
> _______________________________________________
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>

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From rbarber at yhb.att.ne.jp  Fri Dec  3 07:47:30 2004
From: rbarber at yhb.att.ne.jp (ron barber)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 06:47:30 -0600
Subject: Wanted: idiot's guide to using Unicode in Rev
In-Reply-To: <BDD55C0E.25327%benr_mc@cogapp.com>
References: <BDD55C0E.25327%benr_mc@cogapp.com>
Message-ID: <7ECB0DCC-4529-11D9-AB6F-000A95DAEEF0@yhb.att.ne.jp>

Hi Ben,

On Dec 2, 2004, at 5:55 PM, Ben Rubinstein wrote:

> I've just fiddled (and part of my problem is that I don't know any 
> non-roman
> languages, so have very limited capability to understand if I'm doing
> something right).

> And if I do have to set a font, how do I know which one to specify?  
> The
> documentation talks about "Unicode fonts", and mentions 
> "Osaka,Japanese" as
> an example.  How can I find out which Unicode fonts are available - on 
> my
> system, on my user's system?  And if I found them, would it tell me 
> which
> language they relate to?  And in any case, how should I know which 
> language
> o-macron relates to?

Have you tried setting the textfont to ",Unicode" or you can specify a 
name like "Arial,Unicode"

> Another specific question: can I set the label of a button to a unicode
> string, or more generally to anything which requires more than simple 
> roman
> character set?

Create a field, start typing text into it. Then set the textfont of the 
button to an appropriate unicode font and set the text of the btn to 
the unicodetext of the field. IMPORTANT to make sure that no 
non-unicode chars are introduced into the btn name or contents if it is 
popup etc.

HTH
Ron


From got at mindspring.com  Fri Dec  3 09:25:28 2004
From: got at mindspring.com (Gordon Tillman)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 08:25:28 -0600
Subject: DLL problem
In-Reply-To: <028383377603B34D9728A1E80EA9B43B0131B6@srv.Logram.local>
References: <028383377603B34D9728A1E80EA9B43B0131B6@srv.Logram.local>
Message-ID: <2E28B8A0-4537-11D9-AD99-000A95ADFC4C@mindspring.com>

Howdy Roger,

Please do let me know how it goes.  Holler at me if you have any 
questions.

On Dec 3, 2004, at 06:06, Roger Amar wrote:

> Thanks a lot Gordon !
> I'll try to find what is wrong and keep you informed.
> Roger;

Feel free to try out the externals that are included in that project.  
One does a crc32 calculation on a file (osx / windows), and on the 
windows there are externals to put an icon in the system tray and 
remove it.  When the user clicks on the icon it shows your stack.  This 
lets you have a stack that can run with no window but still be made 
visible when desired.

--gordon


From alex at tweedly.net  Fri Dec  3 09:27:32 2004
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 14:27:32 +0000
Subject: Progress on preventing multiple instances of a program
 from running in windows
In-Reply-To: <349428534.20041203115223@wanadoo.fr>
References: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A90EC5A3@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
 <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A90EC5A3@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20041203140555.030107c8@mail.tweedly.net>

At 11:52 03/12/2004 +0100, thierry wrote:

>Hi,
>
>LJ> Hello... the following script seems to work.
>
>LJ> Factors to consider:
>LJ> 1)The stack should be set to purge itself from memory upon closing
>LJ> 2)Some firewalls might prevent the program from accepting
>LJ> connections on a port
>LJ> 3)This prevents multiple instances, but still does not quite allow
>LJ> the two instances to communicate. Writing to a socket from one instance
>LJ> seems to steal the ability of the other instance to listen to that
>LJ> socket - I am still trying to work out how to do that.
>
>humm, with my little experience, you probably need to differenciate the 1st
>instance from the second. if the first do a accept connection ( Server mode )
>the second instance should do a connect as a client. So, if you see yourself
>in the netstat result then run a open socket on the port.

That's right. Since we're using sockets anyway, there's no need to use 
netstat at all.

Executive Summary :
the first instance goes into server mode, and accepts connections from 
subsequent instances

Technical Summary:
when an instance starts up, it attempts to open a connection to the chosen 
port.
If it succeeds, then there is already an instance running - and we have a 
connection to it.
If it fails, then there is no instance running - become the "server" and 
accept connections from others.

Exercise (left to the reader):
if the initial instance (server) is closed down, the client(s) should react 
to the "socket closed" event, such that one of them becomes a server, and 
the other clients re-connect to it.

Here's some code to do the initial problem - it has a bunch of error 
checking you could take it if you really wanted to, so it doesn't need to 
be quite this long. Note - I did this as a handler called "startUp" rather 
than in OpenStack or preOpenStack because I pulled most of this code out of 
an existing app and this was easier.

>local lConns
>
>on startUp
>   if the openSockets <> empty then
>     resetAll
>     put "reset" into field "My Status"
>     wait for 100 millisecs
>   end if
>   -- See if there is already an instance running
>   open socket to "127.0.0.1:7654" with message "setMode"
>end startUp
>
>on setMode pMode
>   if pMode = "Server" then
>     -- we should be in server mode
>     put pMode into field "My Status"
>     accept connections on port "7654" with message "connectionMade"
>   else
>     -- another instance is running as server - need to be a client
>     put "Client" into field "My Status"
>     -- send a message to confirm
>     write "this is my input line" & cr to socket "127.0.0.1:7654"
>     read from socket "127.0.0.1:7654" until CR with message 
> "receivedResponse"
>   end if
>end setMode
>
>-- Because this object does the Accepts and Opens, it gets close and error 
>notifications
>on socketClosed s
>   put lineOffset(s, lConns) into NConn
>   if NConn = 0 then
>     logWrite "Attempt to close a socket that is not open."
>   else
>     logWrite "Socket" && s && "closed."
>     delete line NConn of lConns
>     put lConns into field "Connections"
>   end if
>end socketClosed
>
>on socketError pSocket, pError
>   if offset("10061", pError) > 0 then
>     -- Connection refused - no-one is listening on this port already
>     setMode "Server"
>   else
>     logWrite "Error :" && param(1) && param(2)
>   end if
>end socketError
>
>-- client functions
>on receivedResponse
>   logWrite "Received response : " & param(2)
>end receivedResponse
>
>-- Server mode handlers
>on connectionMade pOtherOne
>   if char 1 to 9 of pOtherOne <> "127.0.0.1" then
>     logWrite "Connection attempt from another machine - reject"
>     close socket theOtherOne
>     exit connectionMade
>   end if
>   if the number of lines in lConns >= 4 then
>     logWrite "Too many connections - rejected."
>     close socket theOtherOne
>     exit connectionMade
>   end if
>   put pOtherOne & cr after lConns
>   read from socket pOtherOne until CR with message "readsome"
>end connectionMade
>
>
>on readsome fromSocket, theInput
>   put lineOffset(fromSocket, lConns) into NConn
>   if NConn = 0 then
>     logWrite "Input rejected - unknown Connection" & fromSocket
>     read from socket fromSocket until CR with message "readsome"
>     exit readsome
>   end if
>   -- echo it
>   write "echo " & theInput & cr to socket fromSocket
>   logWrite fromSocket & theInput
>   read from socket fromSocket until CR with message "readsome"
>end readsome
>
>on logWrite m
>     put m & cr after field "Connections"
>end logWrite

This works fine for me (Win2000), running one instance in the Player and 
the other within Rev itself. (And also running an echo server or clients 
written in other languages).

Note that it *should* be even easier than this - it makes no sense to have 
two applications listening on the same port; in Python or C you get an 
error (EADDRINUSE) return from the bind call (approx equivalent of Rev's 
"Accept") when another instance has already done an Accept on the port. 
Unfortunately, Rev doesn't seem to send an error in this case.  I will play 
with this a bit more to make sure that I haven't done anything stupid, and 
then Bugzilla it.

-- Alex.

From BNZ2 at CDC.GOV  Fri Dec  3 09:57:27 2004
From: BNZ2 at CDC.GOV (Lynch, Jonathan)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 09:57:27 -0500
Subject: Progress on preventing multiple instances of a program from
	running in windows
Message-ID: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A90EC5A5@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>

I found that checking the opensockets did not find the socket that was
opened by another instance of revolution - only sockets opened by the
instance of revolution that checked for opensockets.

On the other hand - the get shell(netstat -a) command checks for all
open sockets from all processes.

I also figured out how to get the two instances to communicate last
night. The problem was that, when the second instance wrote to the port
that the first instance was listening on, then the second instance took
over the listening activity on that port.

What was happening was that both instances were set to listen to that
port, but once the port was read by one instance, it was not read by the
other.

The solution is like this:

Open socket to "127.0.0.1:48953"
Write "QueryInstance" to socket "127.0.0.1:48953"
Close socket "127.0.0.1:48953"
Close socket "48953"

Notice that 4th line that closes the port. After the 2nd instance writes
to the port that the first instance is listening on, it closes off its
access to listening to port 48953. That allows the first instance (which
is still set to listen to port 48953) to continue accessing information
on port 48953.

When the second instance realizes that 48953 is in use, it needs to
accept connections on a different port - say 48954. That way, when the
first instance sends a message back to the second instance, it will be
listening on a port not used by the first instance, and won't interfere.

I guess that sounds rather confusing doesn't it? I am working on the
script that does that, and will have the full bit of code ready soon.

Cheers

-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Alex
Tweedly
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 9:28 AM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: Progress on preventing multiple instances of a program from
running in windows

At 11:52 03/12/2004 +0100, thierry wrote:

>Hi,
>
>LJ> Hello... the following script seems to work.
>
>LJ> Factors to consider:
>LJ> 1)The stack should be set to purge itself from memory upon closing
>LJ> 2)Some firewalls might prevent the program from accepting
>LJ> connections on a port
>LJ> 3)This prevents multiple instances, but still does not quite allow
>LJ> the two instances to communicate. Writing to a socket from one
instance
>LJ> seems to steal the ability of the other instance to listen to that
>LJ> socket - I am still trying to work out how to do that.
>
>humm, with my little experience, you probably need to differenciate the
1st
>instance from the second. if the first do a accept connection ( Server
mode )
>the second instance should do a connect as a client. So, if you see
yourself
>in the netstat result then run a open socket on the port.

That's right. Since we're using sockets anyway, there's no need to use 
netstat at all.

Executive Summary :
the first instance goes into server mode, and accepts connections from 
subsequent instances

Technical Summary:
when an instance starts up, it attempts to open a connection to the
chosen 
port.
If it succeeds, then there is already an instance running - and we have
a 
connection to it.
If it fails, then there is no instance running - become the "server" and

accept connections from others.

Exercise (left to the reader):
if the initial instance (server) is closed down, the client(s) should
react 
to the "socket closed" event, such that one of them becomes a server,
and 
the other clients re-connect to it.

Here's some code to do the initial problem - it has a bunch of error 
checking you could take it if you really wanted to, so it doesn't need
to 
be quite this long. Note - I did this as a handler called "startUp"
rather 
than in OpenStack or preOpenStack because I pulled most of this code out
of 
an existing app and this was easier.

>local lConns
>
>on startUp
>   if the openSockets <> empty then
>     resetAll
>     put "reset" into field "My Status"
>     wait for 100 millisecs
>   end if
>   -- See if there is already an instance running
>   open socket to "127.0.0.1:7654" with message "setMode"
>end startUp
>
>on setMode pMode
>   if pMode = "Server" then
>     -- we should be in server mode
>     put pMode into field "My Status"
>     accept connections on port "7654" with message "connectionMade"
>   else
>     -- another instance is running as server - need to be a client
>     put "Client" into field "My Status"
>     -- send a message to confirm
>     write "this is my input line" & cr to socket "127.0.0.1:7654"
>     read from socket "127.0.0.1:7654" until CR with message 
> "receivedResponse"
>   end if
>end setMode
>
>-- Because this object does the Accepts and Opens, it gets close and
error 
>notifications
>on socketClosed s
>   put lineOffset(s, lConns) into NConn
>   if NConn = 0 then
>     logWrite "Attempt to close a socket that is not open."
>   else
>     logWrite "Socket" && s && "closed."
>     delete line NConn of lConns
>     put lConns into field "Connections"
>   end if
>end socketClosed
>
>on socketError pSocket, pError
>   if offset("10061", pError) > 0 then
>     -- Connection refused - no-one is listening on this port already
>     setMode "Server"
>   else
>     logWrite "Error :" && param(1) && param(2)
>   end if
>end socketError
>
>-- client functions
>on receivedResponse
>   logWrite "Received response : " & param(2)
>end receivedResponse
>
>-- Server mode handlers
>on connectionMade pOtherOne
>   if char 1 to 9 of pOtherOne <> "127.0.0.1" then
>     logWrite "Connection attempt from another machine - reject"
>     close socket theOtherOne
>     exit connectionMade
>   end if
>   if the number of lines in lConns >= 4 then
>     logWrite "Too many connections - rejected."
>     close socket theOtherOne
>     exit connectionMade
>   end if
>   put pOtherOne & cr after lConns
>   read from socket pOtherOne until CR with message "readsome"
>end connectionMade
>
>
>on readsome fromSocket, theInput
>   put lineOffset(fromSocket, lConns) into NConn
>   if NConn = 0 then
>     logWrite "Input rejected - unknown Connection" & fromSocket
>     read from socket fromSocket until CR with message "readsome"
>     exit readsome
>   end if
>   -- echo it
>   write "echo " & theInput & cr to socket fromSocket
>   logWrite fromSocket & theInput
>   read from socket fromSocket until CR with message "readsome"
>end readsome
>
>on logWrite m
>     put m & cr after field "Connections"
>end logWrite

This works fine for me (Win2000), running one instance in the Player and

the other within Rev itself. (And also running an echo server or clients

written in other languages).

Note that it *should* be even easier than this - it makes no sense to
have 
two applications listening on the same port; in Python or C you get an 
error (EADDRINUSE) return from the bind call (approx equivalent of Rev's

"Accept") when another instance has already done an Accept on the port. 
Unfortunately, Rev doesn't seem to send an error in this case.  I will
play 
with this a bit more to make sure that I haven't done anything stupid,
and 
then Bugzilla it.

-- Alex.

From got at mindspring.com  Fri Dec  3 10:13:21 2004
From: got at mindspring.com (Gordon Tillman)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 09:13:21 -0600
Subject: Progress on preventing multiple instances of a program from
	running in windows
In-Reply-To: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A90EC5A5@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
References: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A90EC5A5@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
Message-ID: <DE7B7942-453D-11D9-AD99-000A95ADFC4C@mindspring.com>

Howdy Folks,

I'm jumping in on this thread a bit late, but I wanted to let you know 
what we are doing to handle this issue.

I have a preferences library that any application can use to manage, 
well, preferences.  It does the right thing and stores the preferences 
at the proper location for mac, windows, and linux.

During the application startup code, before I start opening sockets but 
after having initialized the preferences, I check for the presence of a 
preference called "running" that has a value of "yes" or "no".

If the preference has a value of "yes", then the application displays a 
message to the effect of "It appears that another instance of this 
program may be running.  That can also be caused if it had terminated 
abnormally before.  Do you wish to continue starting up?"  The user can 
click Yes or No.

Normal operation is as follows:

Application starts up.  Checks the pref.  Sets it to "yes" and saves 
preferences (to flush the updated value out to the file).  The on 
shutdown handler sets the value back to "no".

--gordon


From signe.sanne at roman.uib.no  Fri Dec  3 10:19:26 2004
From: signe.sanne at roman.uib.no (Signe Marie Sanne)
Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 16:19:26 +0100
Subject: RevOnLine
Message-ID: <5.2.0.8.2.20041203161147.00c02d68@alf.uib.no>

Hello,
I have uploaded two stacks: PlayWavMCI and SaveStackInStack. The first one 
shows how to play a wav-file without QuickTime on Windows. The second shows 
how to save a stack in another as a custom property as well as a custom 
property in a property set. Then it shows how the data from the custom 
property is retrieved and recreates the stack with scripts available to the 
current stack. This is useful for reusable code (recently discussed on this 
list).

Please feel free to comment and suggest changes.

Regards
Signe Marie Sanne

1. amanuensis Signe Marie Sanne      e-mail: signe.sanne at roman.uib.no
Romansk Institutt                            tel:  +47 55 58 21 27
?isteins gt. 1
5007 Bergen             http://www.hf.uib.no/hfolk/mlab/Info/sms.html
Norway


From BNZ2 at CDC.GOV  Fri Dec  3 10:31:55 2004
From: BNZ2 at CDC.GOV (Lynch, Jonathan)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 10:31:55 -0500
Subject: Progress on preventing multiple instances of a program
	fromrunning in windows
Message-ID: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A90EC5A6@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>

I thought about something like that - but was concerned that the app
would not know if the value had been changed in the file, and then
terminated. That would not matter if the program is running as a visible
window, because the user could just see that the window is not open, and
tell the program to go ahead and run anyway.

However, I need to use this for a program that will run invisibly. If it
is running invisibly, then most users will not know how to check for
running processes to determine if the program really is running.

Using sockets allows for the program to see if it is running. My plan is
to make it so that if it is already running, the second instance will
check to see that the first instance is responsive, then when it
confirms that it is working, it will tell the first instance to make
itself visible. Then the second instance will turn itself off.

This way, the program can run invisibly, but whenever the user clicks on
the icon (which will be automatically inserted into the start menu) the
program will just appear on the screen. The user can then change
preferences and close it, and it goes back to running invisibly. (With a
separate button for shutting down the program, so the user does have the
option to turn it off, if desired)


-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Gordon
Tillman
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 10:13 AM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: Progress on preventing multiple instances of a program
fromrunning in windows

Howdy Folks,

I'm jumping in on this thread a bit late, but I wanted to let you know 
what we are doing to handle this issue.

I have a preferences library that any application can use to manage, 
well, preferences.  It does the right thing and stores the preferences 
at the proper location for mac, windows, and linux.

During the application startup code, before I start opening sockets but 
after having initialized the preferences, I check for the presence of a 
preference called "running" that has a value of "yes" or "no".

If the preference has a value of "yes", then the application displays a 
message to the effect of "It appears that another instance of this 
program may be running.  That can also be caused if it had terminated 
abnormally before.  Do you wish to continue starting up?"  The user can 
click Yes or No.

Normal operation is as follows:

Application starts up.  Checks the pref.  Sets it to "yes" and saves 
preferences (to flush the updated value out to the file).  The on 
shutdown handler sets the value back to "no".

--gordon

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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Dec  3 10:55:50 2004
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 07:55:50 -0800
Subject: CSV-parsing post?
Message-ID: <41B08C86.1080200@fourthworld.com>

I could have sworn I'd seen a post here in parsing CSV files recently, 
but now that I'm in a position to test it I can't turn it up.

Would the poster kindly re-post?  Thanks in advnance -

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  __________________________________________________
  Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev

From fde101 at fjrhome.net  Fri Dec  3 10:57:38 2004
From: fde101 at fjrhome.net (Frank D. Engel, Jr.)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 10:57:38 -0500
Subject: Progress on preventing multiple instances of a program from
	running in windows
In-Reply-To: <DE7B7942-453D-11D9-AD99-000A95ADFC4C@mindspring.com>
References: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A90EC5A5@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
	<DE7B7942-453D-11D9-AD99-000A95ADFC4C@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <0E765742-4544-11D9-960E-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>

The operating system should prevent two different applications from
listening on the same port.  Rev shouldn't have to worry about that at
all.

Rev has to go through the same APIs that C programs do (it is, after
all, written in C/C++, is it not?) so at some level or another, it will
be blocked from doing that, just as any other program would.

OTOH, if Rev does not generate an error when this happens, it is indeed
a problem that Rev will need  to deal with.

It *does* generate an error for me, though; check the value of "the
result" right after the "accept" command.  If the socket does not bind,
it will be nonempty.  At least, for me it is.


On Dec 3, 2004, at 9:27 AM, Alex Tweedly wrote:

> At 11:52 03/12/2004 +0100, thierry wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> LJ> Hello... the following script seems to work.
>>
>> LJ> Factors to consider:
>> LJ> 1)The stack should be set to purge itself from memory upon closing
>> LJ> 2)Some firewalls might prevent the program from accepting
>> LJ> connections on a port
>> LJ> 3)This prevents multiple instances, but still does not quite allow
>> LJ> the two instances to communicate. Writing to a socket from one 



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From runrev at jkvaldez.com  Fri Dec  3 11:24:16 2004
From: runrev at jkvaldez.com (runrev at jkvaldez.com)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 11:24:16 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Serial comm differences between PC & Mac?
Message-ID: <36029.127.0.0.1.1102091056.squirrel@127.0.0.1>

Wow! Thanks for your efforts, Dar.

Your results are interesting, if not confusing. Do you think this is a bug
(& therefore should be entered in bugzilla)?

Fortunately, since the phone system only uses a certain set of chars, I
can filter out all of the junk, & make this work for my needs. BTW, I'm
using both the keyspan usa-28 & usa-28x on OSX, & com1 on the PC. The
results are the same with either keyspan adapter.

From b.xavier at internet.lu  Fri Dec  3 11:29:54 2004
From: b.xavier at internet.lu (MisterX)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 17:29:54 +0100
Subject: CSV-parsing post?
In-Reply-To: <41B08C86.1080200@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <20041203162138.88392930118@mail.runrev.com>

c for commas or c for concurrent ;)

I did the comma sep. values from xcell... 

X

> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com 
> [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of 
> Richard Gaskin
> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 16:56
> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: CSV-parsing post?
> 
> I could have sworn I'd seen a post here in parsing CSV files 
> recently, but now that I'm in a position to test it I can't 
> turn it up.
> 
> Would the poster kindly re-post?  Thanks in advnance -
> 
> --
>   Richard Gaskin
>   Fourth World Media Corporation
>   __________________________________________________
>   Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev 
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> 


From alex at tweedly.net  Fri Dec  3 11:28:53 2004
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 16:28:53 +0000
Subject: Progress on preventing multiple instances of a program
 from running in windows
In-Reply-To: <0E765742-4544-11D9-960E-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>
References: <DE7B7942-453D-11D9-AD99-000A95ADFC4C@mindspring.com>
 <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A90EC5A5@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
 <DE7B7942-453D-11D9-AD99-000A95ADFC4C@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20041203160830.02fc1320@mail.tweedly.net>

At 10:57 03/12/2004 -0500, Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote:

>The operating system should prevent two different applications from
>listening on the same port.  Rev shouldn't have to worry about that at
>all.

Indeed - it does. If I start my Python server first, it gets all the 
connection attempts, the Rev server doesn't give an error, but of course 
doesn't get any connections.

>Rev has to go through the same APIs that C programs do (it is, after
>all, written in C/C++, is it not?) so at some level or another, it will
>be blocked from doing that, just as any other program would.
>
>OTOH, if Rev does not generate an error when this happens, it is indeed
>a problem that Rev will need  to deal with.
>
>It *does* generate an error for me, though; check the value of "the
>result" right after the "accept" command.  If the socket does not bind,
>it will be nonempty.  At least, for me it is.

That's what pretty much what I had expected (though I didn't know if it 
would be an error from Accept or an errorSocket) - naturally the docs don't 
say.

That's what I am checking .....

>on startUp
>   accept connections on port "7654" with message "connectionMade"
>   put the result into tResult
>   logWrite "The result from accept is ::" & tResult & "::"
>   send "setMode Server" to me in 100 millisecs
>end startUp

and tResult is empty.


That's on Win2000. What are you running on Frank ?
I'll go try it on XP as well ....

Thanks
-- Alex.

From webmaster at dreamscapesoftware.com  Fri Dec  3 11:33:51 2004
From: webmaster at dreamscapesoftware.com (Derek Bump)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 10:33:51 -0600
Subject: Making "We" into more than 1 person
Message-ID: <009601c4d955$e8775a00$6501a8c0@DOWNSTAIRS>

Greetings Revolutionaries!

I am posting this message with the hopes that I may find someone who would be interested in becoming a partner in Dreamscape Software.

I am looking for anyone interested in achieving the same goal that I have of creating products that are easy to use and do exactly what they are intended to do. No advertising, gimicks, tricks or ploys.

I have multiple projects going on right now and I need help. So if your interested then please send me an email (Offlist) and we'll talk.

Thank you for your time.


Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software
____________________________________________
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From dsc at swcp.com  Fri Dec  3 11:34:44 2004
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 09:34:44 -0700
Subject: Progress on preventing multiple instances of a program from
	running in windows
In-Reply-To: <0E765742-4544-11D9-960E-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>
References: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A90EC5A5@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
	<DE7B7942-453D-11D9-AD99-000A95ADFC4C@mindspring.com>
	<0E765742-4544-11D9-960E-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>
Message-ID: <3D5B6DD5-4549-11D9-BE4C-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>


On Dec 3, 2004, at 8:57 AM, Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote:

> The operating system should prevent two different applications from
> listening on the same port.  Rev shouldn't have to worry about that at
> all.
>
> Rev has to go through the same APIs that C programs do (it is, after
> all, written in C/C++, is it not?) so at some level or another, it will
> be blocked from doing that, just as any other program would.
>
> OTOH, if Rev does not generate an error when this happens, it is indeed
> a problem that Rev will need  to deal with.
>
> It *does* generate an error for me, though; check the value of "the
> result" right after the "accept" command.  If the socket does not bind,
> it will be nonempty.  At least, for me it is.

I assume you mean "does bind".  What OS?

For me, on Mac OS 9.2 and on Windows XP I'm getting something fishy.

It was some time ago on the Mac.  It might be that its listed twice but 
is not really opened twice.

On Windows XP, I'm getting no errors and netstat shows muliple 
listening sockets on the same port.  I reported this as part of bug 
828, the original entry for the Mac problem.

It might be that my system is messed up somehow.  Anybody else see this?

However, since I have seen this on the Mac...  Maybe not.  Maybe 
Revolution is setting the bit to allow address-port pairs to be 
re-used.  Maybe by accident or maybe for some purpose that I don't 
understand.

I don't have a problem on OS X.  There I get an error message in the 
result if the port is in use for accept.

Dar

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From got at mindspring.com  Fri Dec  3 11:38:33 2004
From: got at mindspring.com (Gordon Tillman)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 10:38:33 -0600
Subject: Progress on preventing multiple instances of a program
	fromrunning in windows
In-Reply-To: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A90EC5A6@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
References: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A90EC5A6@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
Message-ID: <C56735B2-4549-11D9-AD99-000A95ADFC4C@mindspring.com>

Makes sense Jonathan!

I would be interested in knowing how that works out..

--gordon

On Dec 3, 2004, at 09:31, Lynch, Jonathan wrote:

> I thought about something like that - but was concerned that the app
> would not know if the value had been changed in the file, and then
> terminated. That would not matter if the program is running as a 
> visible
> window, because the user could just see that the window is not open, 
> and
> tell the program to go ahead and run anyway.
>
> However, I need to use this for a program that will run invisibly. If 
> it
> is running invisibly, then most users will not know how to check for
> running processes to determine if the program really is running.
>
> Using sockets allows for the program to see if it is running. My plan 
> is
> to make it so that if it is already running, the second instance will
> check to see that the first instance is responsive, then when it
> confirms that it is working, it will tell the first instance to make
> itself visible. Then the second instance will turn itself off.
>
> This way, the program can run invisibly, but whenever the user clicks 
> ontthe icon (which will be automatically inserted into the start menu) 
> the
> program will just appear on the screen. The user can then change
> preferences and close it, and it goes back to running invisibly. (With 
> a
> separate button for shutting down the program, so the user does have 
> the
> option to turn it off, if desired)
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
> [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Gordon
> Tillman
> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 10:13 AM
> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: Re: Progress on preventing multiple instances of a program
> fromrunning in windows
>
> Howdy Folks,
>
> I'm jumping in on this thread a bit late, but I wanted to let you know
> what we are doing to handle this issue.
>
> I have a preferences library that any application can use to manage,
> well, preferences.  It does the right thing and stores the preferences
> at the proper location for mac, windows, and linux.
>
> During the application startup code, before I start opening sockets but
> after having initialized the preferences, I check for the presence of a
> preference called "running" that has a value of "yes" or "no".
>
> If the preference has a value of "yes", then the application displays a
> message to the effect of "It appears that another instance of this
> program may be running.  That can also be caused if it had terminated
> abnormally before.  Do you wish to continue starting up?"  The user can
> click Yes or No.
>
> Normal operation is as follows:
>
> Application starts up.  Checks the pref.  Sets it to "yes" and saves
> preferences (to flush the updated value out to the file).  The on
> shutdown handler sets the value back to "no".
>
> --gordon
>
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Dec  3 11:52:53 2004
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 08:52:53 -0800
Subject: CSV-parsing post?
In-Reply-To: <20041203162138.88392930118@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20041203162138.88392930118@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <41B099E5.9010701@fourthworld.com>

MisterX wrote:

 >>Richard Gaskin wrote:
 >> I could have sworn I'd seen a post here in parsing CSV files
 >> recently, but now that I'm in a position to test it I can't
 >> turn it up.
 >>
 >>W ould the poster kindly re-post?  Thanks in advnance -
 >
 > c for commas or c for concurrent ;)

In "CSV" the "C" stands for "comma" ("comma-separated values").  "C" 
stands for "concurrent" in "CVS".

You and I both currently use a method that walks through the data 
character by character, but the method I'm looking for uses the split 
command in a novel way with a ten-fold speed improvement.

Earlier versions of that algorithm failed in testing some files here, 
but fortunately I was able to find the post that addresses the fix, by 
Alex Tweedly:
<http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2004-October/045450.html>

Thanks for that, Alex. I'll run the fix through some tests and see if it 
works well here....

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  __________________________________________________
  Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev

From klaus at major-k.de  Fri Dec  3 12:07:53 2004
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 18:07:53 +0100
Subject: arrowkey bug?
Message-ID: <DEC5FAA7-454D-11D9-AB87-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>

Hi friends,

i had a script for arrowkeys like (a little abbreviated, the syntax
is correct in my script, of course!!!!!):

on arrowkey what
   switch what
    case "up"
      do1
    break
     "down"
       do2
     "left"
    do3
     "right"
    do4
   end...
end ...

There were NO other scripts that could interfere!

"left" and "right" were working as exspected, but when pressing "down"
do2 AND do3 were executed, when pressing "up" do1 AND do4 were executed
on after another...???

...
put what
...

only showed the appropriate and correct arrowkey in the msg...?

Anyone else noticed this?
Food for godzilla?

I worked aroud this by using "rawkeydown" which works as it should.


Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de


From alex at tweedly.net  Fri Dec  3 12:14:58 2004
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 17:14:58 +0000
Subject: Progress on preventing multiple instances of a program
 from running in windows
In-Reply-To: <3D5B6DD5-4549-11D9-BE4C-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
References: <0E765742-4544-11D9-960E-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>
 <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A90EC5A5@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
 <DE7B7942-453D-11D9-AD99-000A95ADFC4C@mindspring.com>
 <0E765742-4544-11D9-960E-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20041203164642.02f430b8@mail.tweedly.net>

At 09:34 03/12/2004 -0700, Dar Scott wrote:


>On Dec 3, 2004, at 8:57 AM, Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote:
>
>>The operating system should prevent two different applications from
>>listening on the same port.  Rev shouldn't have to worry about that at
>>all.
>>
>>Rev has to go through the same APIs that C programs do (it is, after
>>all, written in C/C++, is it not?) so at some level or another, it will
>>be blocked from doing that, just as any other program would.
>>
>>OTOH, if Rev does not generate an error when this happens, it is indeed
>>a problem that Rev will need  to deal with.
>>
>>It *does* generate an error for me, though; check the value of "the
>>result" right after the "accept" command.  If the socket does not bind,
>>it will be nonempty.  At least, for me it is.
>
>I assume you mean "does bind".  What OS?

I think he did mean "does not bind".
If it does bind successfully, the result should empty (and the socket is 
now bound).
On the second try, it does NOT bind - so the result should be non-empty - 
probably some variant of "10048 Address in use".

>For me, on Mac OS 9.2 and on Windows XP I'm getting something fishy.
>
>It was some time ago on the Mac.  It might be that its listed twice but is 
>not really opened twice.
>
>On Windows XP, I'm getting no errors and netstat shows muliple listening 
>sockets on the same port.  I reported this as part of bug 828, the 
>original entry for the Mac problem.

>It might be that my system is messed up somehow.  Anybody else see this?

That's the same as I see on  Win2000.


>However, since I have seen this on the Mac...  Maybe not.  Maybe 
>Revolution is setting the bit to allow address-port pairs to be 
>re-used.  Maybe by accident or maybe for some purpose that I don't understand.

Cold be something like that - there's something very odd going on:

Start one server (in Rev Player) .... it reports no error, and gets any 
connections.

Start another server (in Rev IDE) .... reports no error, and connections 
continue to go to the Player version.

Stop (i.e. resetAll) in the Player server - and connections now go to the 
Rev IDE instance.

Restart the Player instance - connections continue to go to the IDE instance.

Stop (resetAll) the IDE version  - Player version now gets any connections.


BUT .....

close all servers, verify that connections are "refused" - i.e. no server 
listening on the port.

Start up the Rev IDE server ... it gets connections
Start up my Python-based server ... it gives error "Address already in use"
Stop Rev Server
Start Python server - no error, it gets connections
Start Rev server - no error AND IT GETS ANY NEW CONNECTIONS.

The rev server has pre-empted an existing, listening server.   Very odd.


>I don't have a problem on OS X.  There I get an error message in the 
>result if the port is in use for accept.

Maybe I'll just give up this Windows nonsense and switch to Mac :-)

-- Alex.

From dsc at swcp.com  Fri Dec  3 12:22:48 2004
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 10:22:48 -0700
Subject: Serial comm differences between PC & Mac?
In-Reply-To: <36029.127.0.0.1.1102091056.squirrel@127.0.0.1>
References: <36029.127.0.0.1.1102091056.squirrel@127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: <F46F53B2-454F-11D9-BE4C-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>


On Dec 3, 2004, at 9:24 AM, runrev at jkvaldez.com wrote:

> Your results are interesting, if not confusing. Do you think this is a 
> bug
> (& therefore should be entered in bugzilla)?

IIRC, it looks like 3 bugs:

Char read commands come up short on XP for reading 256 chars.
Multi-char read commands throw away data after LF on OS X.
Codes 10, 11 and 12 are garbled in reading uint1 on OS X.
Multi-uint1 read commands sometimes come up short on OS X based on 
garbage at end (?).
uint1 read commands input garbage if the data is not there.


> Fortunately, since the phone system only uses a certain set of chars, I
> can filter out all of the junk, & make this work for my needs. BTW, I'm
> using both the keyspan usa-28 & usa-28x on OSX, & com1 on the PC. The
> results are the same with either keyspan adapter.

It looks like you might get garbage if you try to read a uint1 and none 
is there.  The time might come when one of the garbage bytes looks like 
a valid letter.

It might be that my short data for 256 char reads does not apply to 
single char reads.

There are several reported bugs for serial on OS X; you will have to 
work around those.

Windows serial I/O is blocking (up to 2 seconds) and OS X serial I/O is 
not (except for a weird OS X feature in opening the modem where a 3 
second delay is forced).

I think someone (Sarah?) has reported better luck with usa-28 than with 
usa-19.

I suspect that Rev is not setting some terminal parameters on ports, 
leaving them as they are, on OS X.

Dar

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From dsc at swcp.com  Fri Dec  3 12:25:07 2004
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 10:25:07 -0700
Subject: arrowkey bug?
In-Reply-To: <DEC5FAA7-454D-11D9-AB87-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>
References: <DEC5FAA7-454D-11D9-AB87-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <472528C4-4550-11D9-BE4C-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>


On Dec 3, 2004, at 10:07 AM, Klaus Major wrote:

> on arrowkey what
>   switch what
>    case "up"
>      do1
>    break
>     "down"
>       do2
>     "left"
>    do3
>     "right"
>    do4
>   end...
> end ...

Do you have 'break' in all the right places in the real script?

Dar

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From fde101 at fjrhome.net  Fri Dec  3 12:34:31 2004
From: fde101 at fjrhome.net (Frank D. Engel, Jr.)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 12:34:31 -0500
Subject: Progress on preventing multiple instances of a program from
	running in windows
In-Reply-To: <3D5B6DD5-4549-11D9-BE4C-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
References: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A90EC5A5@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
	<DE7B7942-453D-11D9-AD99-000A95ADFC4C@mindspring.com>
	<0E765742-4544-11D9-960E-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>
	<3D5B6DD5-4549-11D9-BE4C-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <971193EC-4551-11D9-960E-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>

Under Mac OS X 10.3.6, the result is empty if the "accept" command 
works, and nonempty if it does not work.

If the "accept" command gives a port number which is in use, the 
"accept" command fails, and the result is nonempty.

That is the behavior I am seeing.

On Dec 3, 2004, at 11:34 AM, Dar Scott wrote:

>
> On Dec 3, 2004, at 8:57 AM, Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote:
>
>> The operating system should prevent two different applications from
>> listening on the same port.  Rev shouldn't have to worry about that at
>> all.
>>
>> Rev has to go through the same APIs that C programs do (it is, after
>> all, written in C/C++, is it not?) so at some level or another, it 
>> will
>> be blocked from doing that, just as any other program would.
>>
>> OTOH, if Rev does not generate an error when this happens, it is 
>> indeed
>> a problem that Rev will need  to deal with.
>>
>> It *does* generate an error for me, though; check the value of "the
>> result" right after the "accept" command.  If the socket does not 
>> bind,
>> it will be nonempty.  At least, for me it is.
>
> I assume you mean "does bind".  What OS?
>
> For me, on Mac OS 9.2 and on Windows XP I'm getting something fishy.
>
> It was some time ago on the Mac.  It might be that its listed twice 
> but is not really opened twice.
>
> On Windows XP, I'm getting no errors and netstat shows muliple 
> listening sockets on the same port.  I reported this as part of bug 
> 828, the original entry for the Mac problem.
>
> It might be that my system is messed up somehow.  Anybody else see 
> this?
>
> However, since I have seen this on the Mac...  Maybe not.  Maybe 
> Revolution is setting the bit to allow address-port pairs to be 
> re-used.  Maybe by accident or maybe for some purpose that I don't 
> understand.
>
> I don't have a problem on OS X.  There I get an error message in the 
> result if the port is in use for accept.
>
> Dar
>
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-----------------------------------------------------------
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$ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
$ true | cat /usr/manual | grep "John 3:16"
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten 
Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have 
everlasting life.
$



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From klaus at major-k.de  Fri Dec  3 12:37:31 2004
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 18:37:31 +0100
Subject: arrowkey bug?
In-Reply-To: <472528C4-4550-11D9-BE4C-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
References: <DEC5FAA7-454D-11D9-AB87-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>
	<472528C4-4550-11D9-BE4C-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <0244B1AF-4552-11D9-AB87-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>

Hi Dar,

> On Dec 3, 2004, at 10:07 AM, Klaus Major wrote:
>
>> on arrowkey what
>>   switch what
>>    case "up"
>>      do1
>>    break
>>     "down"
>>       do2
>>     "left"
>>    do3
>>     "right"
>>    do4
>>   end...
>> end ...
>
> Do you have 'break' in all the right places in the real script?

 From my last mail:

>> i had a script for arrowkeys like (a little abbreviated, the syntax
>> is correct in my script, of course!!!!!):

c'mon Dar, i wasn't born yesterday :-D

> Dar

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de


From dsc at swcp.com  Fri Dec  3 12:39:47 2004
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 10:39:47 -0700
Subject: Progress on preventing multiple instances of a program from
	running in windows
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20041203164642.02f430b8@mail.tweedly.net>
References: <0E765742-4544-11D9-960E-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>
	<64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A90EC5A5@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
	<DE7B7942-453D-11D9-AD99-000A95ADFC4C@mindspring.com>
	<0E765742-4544-11D9-960E-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20041203164642.02f430b8@mail.tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <53493DB1-4552-11D9-BE4C-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>


On Dec 3, 2004, at 10:14 AM, Alex Tweedly wrote:

>>> It *does* generate an error for me, though; check the value of "the
>>> result" right after the "accept" command.  If the socket does not 
>>> bind,
>>> it will be nonempty.  At least, for me it is.
>>
>> I assume you mean "does bind".  What OS?
>
> I think he did mean "does not bind".
> If it does bind successfully, the result should empty (and the socket 
> is now bound).
> On the second try, it does NOT bind - so the result should be 
> non-empty - probably some variant of "10048 Address in use".

Brain fault.  I filter most out before mail gets out.  I beg patience.

> That's the same as I see on  Win2000.

Could you mention it on bug 828?

>> However, since I have seen this on the Mac...  Maybe not.  Maybe 
>> Revolution is setting the bit to allow address-port pairs to be 
>> re-used.  Maybe by accident or maybe for some purpose that I don't 
>> understand.
>
> Cold be something like that - there's something very odd going on:
> he rev server has pre-empted an existing, listening server.   Very odd.
[scenarios deleted]

You have just convinced me that Rev is setting the option to re-use the 
port.  There is no good reason to do this.  I make tenacious listeners 
by simply retrying after a little while if the port is in use.  A 
server application should be free to give up, or keep trying to accept 
connections and in the latter it should be able to indicate as status 
that the port is in use.

A socket implementation (according to my reference) is free to ignore 
this option and that may be what OS X is doing.  I don't know if the 
exact meaning is defined anywhere, anyway.

Maybe the code is using an option mask that sets some option in unix, 
but that bit corresponds to the re-use-port option in other systems.

Dar

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From dsc at swcp.com  Fri Dec  3 12:44:12 2004
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 10:44:12 -0700
Subject: arrowkey bug?
In-Reply-To: <0244B1AF-4552-11D9-AB87-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>
References: <DEC5FAA7-454D-11D9-AB87-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>
	<472528C4-4550-11D9-BE4C-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
	<0244B1AF-4552-11D9-AB87-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <F140C1B2-4552-11D9-BE4C-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>


On Dec 3, 2004, at 10:37 AM, Klaus Major wrote:

>>> i had a script for arrowkeys like (a little abbreviated, the syntax
>>> is correct in my script, of course!!!!!):
>
> c'mon Dar, i wasn't born yesterday :-D

Yeah, I saw the caveat.  Well, for me, I might _know_ what it should 
be, but be completely blind to what I actually did.

Dar
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From dsc at swcp.com  Fri Dec  3 12:46:05 2004
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 10:46:05 -0700
Subject: Progress on preventing multiple instances of a program from
	running in windows
In-Reply-To: <971193EC-4551-11D9-960E-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>
References: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A90EC5A5@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
	<DE7B7942-453D-11D9-AD99-000A95ADFC4C@mindspring.com>
	<0E765742-4544-11D9-960E-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>
	<3D5B6DD5-4549-11D9-BE4C-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
	<971193EC-4551-11D9-960E-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>
Message-ID: <34BE8294-4553-11D9-BE4C-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>


On Dec 3, 2004, at 10:34 AM, Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote:

> Under Mac OS X 10.3.6, the result is empty if the "accept" command 
> works, and nonempty if it does not work.
>
> If the "accept" command gives a port number which is in use, the 
> "accept" command fails, and the result is nonempty.
>
> That is the behavior I am seeing.

That is what I see on OS X, too.  I think we are seeing a consistent 
pattern with the few comments.  This works as expected on OS X and not 
as expected on Windows.

Dar
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From BNZ2 at CDC.GOV  Fri Dec  3 12:59:19 2004
From: BNZ2 at CDC.GOV (Lynch, Jonathan)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 12:59:19 -0500
Subject: Progress on preventing multiple instances of a program
	fromrunning in windows
Message-ID: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A90EC5A7@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>

The fact that, on my windows XP computer, Rev is automatically setting
itself up to listen to a port to which it just wrote a message seems
awfully odd.

My understanding of ports and sockets is weak - but shouldn't it be able
to write to socket "127.0.0.1:48953" without setting itself up as
listening to port 48953?

Is there a shell command for writing to a socket that could be used that
might not have this behavior?

My method of closing port 48953 after writing to "127.0.0.1:48953" (and
doing the same with port 48954 for communicating in the reverse
direction) works to allow two instances of a stack, running under two
different instances of Rev, to communicate with each other - however,
when I save the same stack as a standalone and try it with two instances
of that standalone, they only manage to pass a couple messages before
getting confused.

If it were possible to write to socket without trying to steal the
listening of that stack, it would be much easier.

-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Dar Scott
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 12:46 PM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: Progress on preventing multiple instances of a program
fromrunning in windows


On Dec 3, 2004, at 10:34 AM, Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote:

> Under Mac OS X 10.3.6, the result is empty if the "accept" command 
> works, and nonempty if it does not work.
>
> If the "accept" command gives a port number which is in use, the 
> "accept" command fails, and the result is nonempty.
>
> That is the behavior I am seeing.

That is what I see on OS X, too.  I think we are seeing a consistent 
pattern with the few comments.  This works as expected on OS X and not 
as expected on Windows.

Dar
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From userev at canelasoftware.com  Fri Dec  3 13:00:36 2004
From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 10:00:36 -0800
Subject: arrowkey bug?
In-Reply-To: <DEC5FAA7-454D-11D9-AB87-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>
References: <DEC5FAA7-454D-11D9-AB87-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <3C202F8C-4555-11D9-9878-000393C3F5BC@canelasoftware.com>


On Dec 3, 2004, at 9:07 AM, Klaus Major wrote:

> on arrowkey what
>   switch what
>    case "up"
>      do1
>    break
>     "down"
>       do2
>     "left"
>    do3
>     "right"
>    do4
>   end...
> end ...


I am using it currently in one of my projects and it is working as it 
should.  Any chance you could post the actual code?  Are you running 
any front scripts?

-- 
Best regards,
Mark Talluto
http://www.canelasoftware.com


From dsc at swcp.com  Fri Dec  3 13:12:00 2004
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 11:12:00 -0700
Subject: Progress on preventing multiple instances of a program
	fromrunning in windows
In-Reply-To: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A90EC5A7@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
References: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A90EC5A7@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
Message-ID: <D38DD0E5-4556-11D9-BE4C-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>


On Dec 3, 2004, at 10:59 AM, Lynch, Jonathan wrote:

> My understanding of ports and sockets is weak - but shouldn't it be 
> able
> to write to socket "127.0.0.1:48953" without setting itself up as
> listening to port 48953?

If any application on the computer is listening on that port, then then 
a connection to it can be opened.

There are less constraints for UDP.

The particular "feature" that came up is that on some OSes, Rev seems 
to force a TCP listen (Rev accept) to succeed even then there is a 
clash.  As Alex Tweedly showed (that is, as I interpret his results), 
other apps typically do not do this.

Dar
****************************************
     Dar Scott Consulting
     http://www.swcp.com/dsc/
     Programming Services
****************************************


From alex at tweedly.net  Fri Dec  3 13:18:30 2004
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 18:18:30 +0000
Subject: Progress on preventing multiple instances of a program
 from running in windows
In-Reply-To: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A90EC5A7@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov
 >
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20041203180640.0305b738@mail.tweedly.net>

At 12:59 03/12/2004 -0500, Lynch, Jonathan wrote:

>The fact that, on my windows XP computer, Rev is automatically setting
>itself up to listen to a port to which it just wrote a message seems
>awfully odd.
>
>My understanding of ports and sockets is weak - but shouldn't it be able
>to write to socket "127.0.0.1:48953" without setting itself up as
>listening to port 48953?

Yes, it should (and can - as verified by the echo server I sent earlier ....)

Your previous email implied something slightly different from what you say 
here or at least, I read it slightly differently ...)

You said then (my emphasis)

>What was happening was that BOTH INSTANCES WERE SET TO LISTEN to that
>port, but once the port was read by one instance, it was not read by the
>other.
>
>The solution is like this:
>Open socket to "127.0.0.1:48953"
>Write "QueryInstance" to socket "127.0.0.1:48953"
>Close socket "127.0.0.1:48953"
>Close socket "48953"

I think what you are seeing is some variant of the re-use socket problem. 
Because Rev is telling the OS to re-use the same socket address, things are 
acting a bit screwy.

I can't exactly explain what you're seeing - but I'm pretty sure there's 
something about reusing sockets behind it.  If you want to send a more 
complete code fragment, I can give it a try - but I suspect that port 
re-use will catch us out one way or another.

Note that my long post earlier (which first tried to open the port - and if 
that failed, only then went into server mode and did an Accept)  avoids the 
re-use issue completely, and should work on any OS.

>Is there a shell command for writing to a socket that could be used that
>might not have this behavior?

Nothing very convenient.

>My method of closing port 48953 after writing to "127.0.0.1:48953" (and
>doing the same with port 48954 for communicating in the reverse
>direction) works to allow two instances of a stack, running under two
>different instances of Rev, to communicate with each other - however,
>when I save the same stack as a standalone and try it with two instances
>of that standalone, they only manage to pass a couple messages before
>getting confused.

It's also quite inefficient (opening and closing ports). I wonder if it may 
be running into problems with Time-Wait (ports that are closed are put into 
a temporary time-wait state to avoid problems of late packet arrival - and 
that can cause problems when you are rapidly binding and closing the same 
port).

>If it were possible to write to socket without trying to steal the
>listening of that stack, it would be much easier.

Try the long code fragment I sent - I'm pretty sure it will work generally, 
and it definitely is OK on Windows (2000 and I also tested it on XP under 
Dreamcard Player).

-- Alex.

From BNZ2 at CDC.GOV  Fri Dec  3 13:17:53 2004
From: BNZ2 at CDC.GOV (Lynch, Jonathan)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 13:17:53 -0500
Subject: Progress on preventing multiple instances of a
	programfromrunning in windows
Message-ID: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A90EC5A8@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>

What I am finding is that it is forcing the TCP listen without even
using the accept command. The following script:

Open socket to "127.0.0.1:48953"
Write "Greetings" to socket "127.0.0.1:48953"
Close socket "127.0.0.1:48953"

Causes the instance that ran this script to start listening to port
48953. Shouldn't it only do that if the script actually uses the accept
command?

-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Dar Scott
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 1:12 PM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: Progress on preventing multiple instances of a
programfromrunning in windows


On Dec 3, 2004, at 10:59 AM, Lynch, Jonathan wrote:

> My understanding of ports and sockets is weak - but shouldn't it be 
> able
> to write to socket "127.0.0.1:48953" without setting itself up as
> listening to port 48953?

If any application on the computer is listening on that port, then then 
a connection to it can be opened.

There are less constraints for UDP.

The particular "feature" that came up is that on some OSes, Rev seems 
to force a TCP listen (Rev accept) to succeed even then there is a 
clash.  As Alex Tweedly showed (that is, as I interpret his results), 
other apps typically do not do this.

Dar
****************************************
     Dar Scott Consulting
     http://www.swcp.com/dsc/
     Programming Services
****************************************

_______________________________________________
use-revolution mailing list
use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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From scott at tactilemedia.com  Fri Dec  3 13:18:24 2004
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 10:18:24 -0800
Subject: arrowkey bug?
In-Reply-To: <DEC5FAA7-454D-11D9-AB87-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <BDD5EDF0.1B750%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Klaus Major wrote:

> i had a script for arrowkeys like (a little abbreviated, the syntax
> is correct in my script, of course!!!!!):
> 
> on arrowkey what
>  switch what
>   case "up"
>     do1
>   break
>    "down"
>      do2
>    "left"
>   do3
>    "right"
>   do4
>  end...
> end ...
> 
> There were NO other scripts that could interfere!

Achtbar Klaus:

Did you verify that this behavior occurs in a new, empty stack with no front
scripts running?

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Development & Design
-----
E: scott at tactilemedia.com
W: http://www.tactilemedia.com


From klaus at major-k.de  Fri Dec  3 13:19:39 2004
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 19:19:39 +0100
Subject: arrowkey bug?
In-Reply-To: <3C202F8C-4555-11D9-9878-000393C3F5BC@canelasoftware.com>
References: <DEC5FAA7-454D-11D9-AB87-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>
	<3C202F8C-4555-11D9-9878-000393C3F5BC@canelasoftware.com>
Message-ID: <E5530202-4557-11D9-AB87-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>

Hi Mark,

> On Dec 3, 2004, at 9:07 AM, Klaus Major wrote:
>
>> on arrowkey what
>>   switch what
>>    case "up"
>>      do1
>>  ...
>> end ...
>
> I am using it currently in one of my projects and it is working as it 
> should.

Hmm, congrats :-)

> Any chance you could post the actual code?

:-)

on arrowkey was
   put was
  ## resulted in the correct arrowkey, and ONLY ONE
  switch was
   case "up"
     put "erste" into derbutton
     break
   case "right"
     put "naechste" into derbutton
     break
   case "down"
     put "letzte" into derbutton
     break
   case "left"
     put "vorige" into derbutton
     break
  end switch
  send "mouseup" to btn derbutton of cd 1 of stack (the navistack of me)
end arrowkey

This script work with key "left" and "right" as exspected...

With "up" the "left" with "down" the "right" is also executed 
immediately...

> Are you running any front scripts?

No.
Just the one of MetaCard, but that does not interfere, honestly! ;-)

> Best regards,
> Mark Talluto
> http://www.canelasoftware.com

As is told, using "rawkeydown" works fine...

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de


From klaus at major-k.de  Fri Dec  3 13:24:43 2004
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 19:24:43 +0100
Subject: arrowkey bug?
In-Reply-To: <BDD5EDF0.1B750%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <BDD5EDF0.1B750%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <9A861D0E-4558-11D9-AB87-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>

Hi Scott,

> Recently, Klaus Major wrote:
>
>> i had a script for arrowkeys like (a little abbreviated, the syntax
>> is correct in my script, of course!!!!!):
>>
>> on arrowkey what
>>  switch what
>>   case "up"
>>     do1
>>   break
>>    "down"
>>      do2
>>    "left"
>>   do3
>>    "right"
>>   do4
>>  end...
>> end ...
>>
>> There were NO other scripts that could interfere!
>
> Achtbar Klaus:

achtbar = respectable
Thank you, Scott :-)

You mean "Achtung" = "attention" probably...

> Did you verify that this behavior occurs in a new, empty stack with no 
> front
> scripts running?

Not yet...

Actually this IS in a (only) frontscript...

But i am sure it will work as exspected, when i try...

> Regards,
>
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, Development & Design
> -----
> E: scott at tactilemedia.com
> W: http://www.tactilemedia.com

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de


From BNZ2 at CDC.GOV  Fri Dec  3 13:24:36 2004
From: BNZ2 at CDC.GOV (Lynch, Jonathan)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 13:24:36 -0500
Subject: Progress on preventing multiple instances of a program from
	running in windows
Message-ID: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A90EC5A9@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>

Well - both instances were, indeed, set to listen - but I only told one
of them to do it. The other just did it on its own after it wrote to the
socket.

I will try the method you suggested earlier - it seems quite clever!
There are bits of it that I do not fully understand, but that's what
learning is all about:)

Thanks muchly

-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Alex
Tweedly
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 1:19 PM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: RE: Progress on preventing multiple instances of a program from
running in windows

At 12:59 03/12/2004 -0500, Lynch, Jonathan wrote:

>The fact that, on my windows XP computer, Rev is automatically setting
>itself up to listen to a port to which it just wrote a message seems
>awfully odd.
>
>My understanding of ports and sockets is weak - but shouldn't it be
able
>to write to socket "127.0.0.1:48953" without setting itself up as
>listening to port 48953?

Yes, it should (and can - as verified by the echo server I sent earlier
....)

Your previous email implied something slightly different from what you
say 
here or at least, I read it slightly differently ...)

You said then (my emphasis)

>What was happening was that BOTH INSTANCES WERE SET TO LISTEN to that
>port, but once the port was read by one instance, it was not read by
the
>other.
>
>The solution is like this:
>Open socket to "127.0.0.1:48953"
>Write "QueryInstance" to socket "127.0.0.1:48953"
>Close socket "127.0.0.1:48953"
>Close socket "48953"

I think what you are seeing is some variant of the re-use socket
problem. 
Because Rev is telling the OS to re-use the same socket address, things
are 
acting a bit screwy.

I can't exactly explain what you're seeing - but I'm pretty sure there's

something about reusing sockets behind it.  If you want to send a more 
complete code fragment, I can give it a try - but I suspect that port 
re-use will catch us out one way or another.

Note that my long post earlier (which first tried to open the port - and
if 
that failed, only then went into server mode and did an Accept)  avoids
the 
re-use issue completely, and should work on any OS.

>Is there a shell command for writing to a socket that could be used
that
>might not have this behavior?

Nothing very convenient.

>My method of closing port 48953 after writing to "127.0.0.1:48953" (and
>doing the same with port 48954 for communicating in the reverse
>direction) works to allow two instances of a stack, running under two
>different instances of Rev, to communicate with each other - however,
>when I save the same stack as a standalone and try it with two
instances
>of that standalone, they only manage to pass a couple messages before
>getting confused.

It's also quite inefficient (opening and closing ports). I wonder if it
may 
be running into problems with Time-Wait (ports that are closed are put
into 
a temporary time-wait state to avoid problems of late packet arrival -
and 
that can cause problems when you are rapidly binding and closing the
same 
port).

>If it were possible to write to socket without trying to steal the
>listening of that stack, it would be much easier.

Try the long code fragment I sent - I'm pretty sure it will work
generally, 
and it definitely is OK on Windows (2000 and I also tested it on XP
under 
Dreamcard Player).

-- Alex.

From rjb at rz.uni-potsdam.de  Fri Dec  3 13:30:33 2004
From: rjb at rz.uni-potsdam.de (Robert Brenstein)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 19:30:33 +0100
Subject: arrowkey bug?
In-Reply-To: <E5530202-4557-11D9-AB87-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>
References: <DEC5FAA7-454D-11D9-AB87-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>
 <3C202F8C-4555-11D9-9878-000393C3F5BC@canelasoftware.com>
 <E5530202-4557-11D9-AB87-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <a06110407bdd6602f66aa@[141.89.100.235]>

>>Any chance you could post the actual code?
>
>:-)
>
>on arrowkey was
>   put was
>  ## resulted in the correct arrowkey, and ONLY ONE
>  switch was
>   case "up"
>     put "erste" into derbutton
>     break
>   case "right"
>     put "naechste" into derbutton
>     break
>   case "down"
>     put "letzte" into derbutton
>     break
>   case "left"
>     put "vorige" into derbutton
>     break
>  end switch
>  send "mouseup" to btn derbutton of cd 1 of stack (the navistack of me)
>end arrowkey
>
>This script work with key "left" and "right" as exspected...
>
>With "up" the "left" with "down" the "right" is also executed immediately...

I somehow doubt that the problem is with the above script. Have you 
checked the destination buttons? Duplicate buttons? Messages passed 
on?

Have you tried using message watcher?

Robert

PS Not that this has any relation to your problem but have you 
thought to reduce the above script to

on arrowkey was
  send "mouseup" to btn ("der" & was) of cd 1 of stack (the navistack of me)
end arrowkey

by renaming your four buttons?

From sbonham at georgiasouthern.edu  Fri Dec  3 13:57:08 2004
From: sbonham at georgiasouthern.edu (Steve Bonham)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 13:57:08 -0500
Subject: on Openstack - on PreOpenStack - neither working
Message-ID: <a05210600bdd65eb96b5f@[141.165.213.123]>

Revers,

I'm trying to get my stack to read (and put chunks of data into flds 
& variables) from a text file when the stack opens.

Commands such as:
	open file myFile.txt (I'm using the fullpath)
	read line x from file myFile.txt until eof
	put line 1 of it into fld myField
	put line 2 of it into myVariable
	etc.

in both "on OpenStack" and "on PreOpenStack" handlers (they are 
located in the stack script) result in no activity when I exit and 
reopen the stack.

Funny thing is;
	IF I type "Openstack" or "PreOpenstack" into the message box 
and hit enter-- after opening the stack...
	 it works beautifully!

I also want the stack to write to the same file on when the user 
quits (I'm using "on closestack" and this handler is in the same 
stack script) and it works!

I'm using Revolution 2.5 - on a Mac with OSX.
I'm getting the same behavior in:
	run mode in Rev
	run mode in Rev when Developer Tools suppressed
	and in Dreamcard Player

Can anyone tell me what's going on?-- or rather why my handlers are 
being ignored?

Thx
Steve



-- 


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Steve Bonham
Director, Faculty Technology Development Laboratory
Center for Excellence in Teaching - Georgia Southern University
Statesboro, GA 30460-8143
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From klaus at major-k.de  Fri Dec  3 14:00:59 2004
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 20:00:59 +0100
Subject: arrowkey bug?
In-Reply-To: <a06110407bdd6602f66aa@[141.89.100.235]>
References: <DEC5FAA7-454D-11D9-AB87-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>
	<3C202F8C-4555-11D9-9878-000393C3F5BC@canelasoftware.com>
	<E5530202-4557-11D9-AB87-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>
	<a06110407bdd6602f66aa@[141.89.100.235]>
Message-ID: <ABAEFEE6-455D-11D9-AB87-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>

Hi Robert,

>>> Any chance you could post the actual code?
>>
>> :-)
>>
>> on arrowkey was
>>   put was
>>  ## resulted in the correct arrowkey, and ONLY ONE
>>  switch was
>>   case "up"
>>     put "erste" into derbutton
>>     break
>>   case "right"
>>     put "naechste" into derbutton
>>     break
>>   case "down"
>>     put "letzte" into derbutton
>>     break
>>   case "left"
>>     put "vorige" into derbutton
>>     break
>>  end switch
>>  send "mouseup" to btn derbutton of cd 1 of stack (the navistack of 
>> me)
>> end arrowkey
>>
>> This script work with key "left" and "right" as exspected...
>>
>> With "up" the "left" with "down" the "right" is also executed 
>> immediately...
>
> I somehow doubt that the problem is with the above script. Have you 
> checked the destination buttons?

Yes.

> Duplicate buttons?

No.

> Messages passed on?

??? Sorry, don't get this one...

You mean that "mouseup" might not make it to the buttons at all?
See below -> "rawkeydown"

> Have you tried using message watcher?

Not yet.

> Robert
>
> PS Not that this has any relation to your problem but have you thought 
> to reduce the above script to
>
> on arrowkey was
>  send "mouseup" to btn ("der" & was) of cd 1 of stack (the navistack 
> of me)
> end arrowkey
>
> by renaming your four buttons?

No.

But sinde i have a working solution with "rawkeydown" i do not want to 
spend more time on this
phenomenon, understandably ;-)


Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de


From alw918 at earthlink.net  Fri Dec  3 14:14:36 2004
From: alw918 at earthlink.net (Andrew)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 11:14:36 -0800
Subject: Coding for windows standalone
In-Reply-To: <20041203182030.656B193014D@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <927D8F82-455F-11D9-9792-000393DD0724@earthlink.net>

Hi, I was hoping you could help me with a little problem.  I'm have 
written a code, but for some reason it doesn't work in the windows 
standalone version.
I understand that certain symbols like the "not-equals" sign are 
prohibited, and I have taken care to avoid all of these that I am aware 
of.  However, I wonder if there is some sort of symbol or even syntax 
or possibly card object that I have used which is causing this problem. 
  Can someone please provide me with or refer me to a basic list of 
things that I should avoid when making a stack with the intention of 
turning it into a Windows standalone?
Thanks a million for all the help.  I appreciate it greatly.
-Andrew


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Dec  3 14:25:39 2004
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 11:25:39 -0800
Subject: Coding for windows standalone
In-Reply-To: <927D8F82-455F-11D9-9792-000393DD0724@earthlink.net>
References: <927D8F82-455F-11D9-9792-000393DD0724@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <41B0BDB3.20302@fourthworld.com>

Andrew wrote:
>  Can someone please provide me with or refer me to a basic list of 
> things that I should avoid when making a stack with the intention of 
> turning it into a Windows standalone?

Windows is a big, weird mess.  What was the specific problem?

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  __________________________________________________
  Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev

From userev at canelasoftware.com  Fri Dec  3 14:25:44 2004
From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 11:25:44 -0800
Subject: arrowkey bug?
In-Reply-To: <E5530202-4557-11D9-AB87-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>
References: <DEC5FAA7-454D-11D9-AB87-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>
	<3C202F8C-4555-11D9-9878-000393C3F5BC@canelasoftware.com>
	<E5530202-4557-11D9-AB87-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <20E23E20-4561-11D9-9878-000393C3F5BC@canelasoftware.com>


On Dec 3, 2004, at 10:19 AM, Klaus Major wrote:

> This script work with key "left" and "right" as exspected...
>
> With "up" the "left" with "down" the "right" is also executed 
> immediately...

I know that you have a working solution.  For fun, my first guess is 
that something else is trapping the up and down keys.  Is it possible 
that the variable derbutton still contains the last content of either 
"right" or "left" (you translate for me to German)?  Man...your script 
looks good to me though.  Strange indeed.

-- 
Best regards,
Mark Talluto
http://www.canelasoftware.com


From webmaster at dreamscapesoftware.com  Fri Dec  3 14:28:28 2004
From: webmaster at dreamscapesoftware.com (Derek Bump)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 13:28:28 -0600
Subject: Coding for windows standalone
References: <927D8F82-455F-11D9-9792-000393DD0724@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <00f801c4d96e$4486ee60$6501a8c0@DOWNSTAIRS>

Andrew,

I've been developing stacks on Windows for over 3 years now and I really don't know what types of things to "avoid" that your talking about.  Could you be more specific?  Possibly an Error message?
 

Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software
____________________________________________
Compress Images Easily with JPEGCompress
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com
 

From runrev at jkvaldez.com  Fri Dec  3 14:58:10 2004
From: runrev at jkvaldez.com (runrev at jkvaldez.com)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 14:58:10 -0500 (EST)
Subject: openField won't select all text but Rev reference says it should
Message-ID: <42693.127.0.0.1.1102103890.squirrel@127.0.0.1>

The built-in rev dictionary says you can select the entire text in a field
by:

on openField
  select text of the target
end openField

This doesn't work for me. I create a new stack, drag out a scrolling text
field, enter the above handler/script. It works only if I tab into the
fld. But if I click it, I can see it briefly hilite the text but then
immediately set the insertion point where I clicked--so no selected text.

I'm using OSX 10.3, rev 2.5. I didn't see anything in bugzilla or posted
in the list. Anyone experiencing this?

From Cubist at aol.com  Fri Dec  3 15:05:05 2004
From: Cubist at aol.com (Cubist at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 15:05:05 EST
Subject: Windows standalone no-nos
Message-ID: <81.1c302991.2ee220f1@aol.com>

sez alw918 at earthlink.net:
>Hi, quick question.  I remember that when creating a Revolution stack 
>that I intend to turn into a Windows standalone that I need to avoid 
>certain characters
>like the greater-than equals sign, etc.  But I have forgotten what 
>other symbols I'm not allowed to use.  Is there a comprehensive list 
>available somewhere of these Windows no-nos?
>Thanks
   Anything with an ASCII value higher than 127. This is because the ASCII 
standard only defines characters for numbers 0 thru 127; anything beyond that, 
i.e. the so-called "high ASCII" characters, is left to the whim of whichever 
implementors. This handler will show you all of those bad boys:

on ShowMeBadBoys
  put "" into Rezult
  repeat with K1 = 128 to 255
    put numToChar (K1) after Rezult
    if (the length of Rezult) mod 32 = 0 then put return after Rezult
  end repeat
  answer Rezult
end ShowMeBadBoys

   If you need a more permanent record of Rezult, you can modify this handler 
to print it out or store it in a field or whatever...

From fde101 at fjrhome.net  Fri Dec  3 15:19:40 2004
From: fde101 at fjrhome.net (Frank D. Engel, Jr.)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 15:19:40 -0500
Subject: Coding for windows standalone
In-Reply-To: <00f801c4d96e$4486ee60$6501a8c0@DOWNSTAIRS>
References: <927D8F82-455F-11D9-9792-000393DD0724@earthlink.net>
	<00f801c4d96e$4486ee60$6501a8c0@DOWNSTAIRS>
Message-ID: <A938653B-4568-11D9-960E-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>

As far as symbols to avoid, don't use anything that is not on a typical 
keyboard.  No "option" key stuff.

On Dec 3, 2004, at 2:28 PM, Derek Bump wrote:

> Andrew,
>
> I've been developing stacks on Windows for over 3 years now and I 
> really don't know what types of things to "avoid" that your talking 
> about.  Could you be more specific?  Possibly an Error message?
>
>
> Derek Bump
> Dreamscape Software
> ____________________________________________
> Compress Images Easily with JPEGCompress
> http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
-----------------------------------------------------------
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$ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
$ true | cat /usr/manual | grep "John 3:16"
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten 
Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have 
everlasting life.
$



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From dsc at swcp.com  Fri Dec  3 15:39:26 2004
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 13:39:26 -0700
Subject: arrowkey bug?
In-Reply-To: <E5530202-4557-11D9-AB87-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>
References: <DEC5FAA7-454D-11D9-AB87-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>
	<3C202F8C-4555-11D9-9878-000393C3F5BC@canelasoftware.com>
	<E5530202-4557-11D9-AB87-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <6C0C632C-456B-11D9-BE4C-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>


On Dec 3, 2004, at 11:19 AM, Klaus Major wrote:

> This script work with key "left" and "right" as exspected...
>
> With "up" the "left" with "down" the "right" is also executed 
> immediately...

On my system (OS X 10.3.6 with US keyboard), I get "up" and "down" but 
never "left" or "right".

If I suspend dev tools, I do get "left" and "right" and a command put 
into the command field of the message box.

In neither case do I get multiple hits.

My card script:

on arrowkey was
   put was & "; " after message
end arrowkey

Bug?

Dar
****************************************
     Dar Scott Consulting
     http://www.swcp.com/dsc/
     Programming Services
****************************************


From dsc at swcp.com  Fri Dec  3 16:16:41 2004
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 14:16:41 -0700
Subject: Progress on preventing multiple instances of a
	programfromrunning in windows
In-Reply-To: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A90EC5A8@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
References: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A90EC5A8@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
Message-ID: <A0A17370-4570-11D9-BE4C-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>


On Dec 3, 2004, at 11:17 AM, Lynch, Jonathan wrote:

> What I am finding is that it is forcing the TCP listen without even
> using the accept command. The following script:
>
> Open socket to "127.0.0.1:48953"
> Write "Greetings" to socket "127.0.0.1:48953"
> Close socket "127.0.0.1:48953"
>
> Causes the instance that ran this script to start listening to port
> 48953. Shouldn't it only do that if the script actually uses the accept
> command?

Rev is helping you by not waiting around for the open.

I put a field and a button on a card with this script in the button:

on mouseUp
   put empty into field "field"
   open socket to "127.0.0.1:48953"
   put "open result: " & the result & lf after field "field"
   write "Greetings" to socket "127.0.0.1.48953"
   put "write result: " & the result & lf after field "field"
   put "openSockets(): " & lf & the openSockets & lf after field "field"
   put "netstat report: " & lf & shell("netstat -a -p TCP") & lf after 
field "field"
   close socket "127.0.0.1:48953"
   put "close result: " & the result & lf after field "field"
   put "netstat report: " & lf & shell("netstat -a -p TCP") & lf after 
field "field"
end mouseUp

This put this in the field (with the netstat reports cut out):

open result:
write result: socket is not open
openSockets():
127.0.0.1:48953
netstat report:

Active Connections

   Proto  Local Address          Foreign Address        State
   [no 48953]

close result:
netstat report:

Active Connections

   Proto  Local Address          Foreign Address        State
   [no 48953]


The open only starts the opening sequence.  The socket is put into open 
sockets tentatively.  The write should wait for timeout or success or a 
refusal.  The above example gets the connection refusal and there is an 
error in the write.  The openSockets() still includes the socket even 
after open fails, which I think is a bug.  The close socket gets no 
error, which I think is part of the same bug.

On my system I did not see any reference to 48953 in the netstat report.

You might want to add -n to the netstat command and stop it from 
flashing a window on Windows.

I ran the same test on OS X and it worked the same except it 
(correctly) got an error on the close.

Dar

****************************************
     Dar Scott Consulting
     http://www.swcp.com/dsc/
     Programming Services
****************************************


From klaus at major-k.de  Fri Dec  3 16:21:10 2004
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 22:21:10 +0100
Subject: arrowkey bug?
In-Reply-To: <20E23E20-4561-11D9-9878-000393C3F5BC@canelasoftware.com>
References: <DEC5FAA7-454D-11D9-AB87-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>
	<3C202F8C-4555-11D9-9878-000393C3F5BC@canelasoftware.com>
	<E5530202-4557-11D9-AB87-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>
	<20E23E20-4561-11D9-9878-000393C3F5BC@canelasoftware.com>
Message-ID: <40DE519A-4571-11D9-AB87-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>

Hi Mark,

> On Dec 3, 2004, at 10:19 AM, Klaus Major wrote:
>
>> This script work with key "left" and "right" as exspected...
>> With "up" the "left" with "down" the "right" is also executed 
>> immediately...
>
> I know that you have a working solution.  For fun, my first guess is 
> that something else is
> trapping the up and down keys.

Might be, but what the heck?

>  Is it possible that the variable derbutton still contains the last 
> content of either
> "right" or "left" (you translate for me to German)?

erste = first
naechste = next
vorige = previous
letzte = last

But how could that be???
I am setting the content of derbutton (= thebutton :-) all the time!

Very "outlandish" explanation :-D

> Man...your script looks good to me though.

Thanks...

> Strange indeed.

Right-O :-)

> Best regards,
> Mark Talluto
> http://www.canelasoftware.com

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de


From klaus at major-k.de  Fri Dec  3 16:27:18 2004
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 22:27:18 +0100
Subject: arrowkey bug?
In-Reply-To: <6C0C632C-456B-11D9-BE4C-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
References: <DEC5FAA7-454D-11D9-AB87-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>
	<3C202F8C-4555-11D9-9878-000393C3F5BC@canelasoftware.com>
	<E5530202-4557-11D9-AB87-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>
	<6C0C632C-456B-11D9-BE4C-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <1BDA6742-4572-11D9-AB87-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>

Hi Dar,

> On Dec 3, 2004, at 11:19 AM, Klaus Major wrote:
>
>> This script work with key "left" and "right" as exspected...
>>
>> With "up" the "left" with "down" the "right" is also executed 
>> immediately...
>
> On my system (OS X 10.3.6 with US keyboard), I get "up" and "down" but 
> never "left" or "right".

???

> If I suspend dev tools, I do get "left" and "right" and a command put 
> into the command field
> of the message box.
>
> In neither case do I get multiple hits.
>
> My card script:
>
> on arrowkey was
>   put was & "; " after message
> end arrowkey

I also added "put was" to my script and got the correct arrowkey in the 
message
box every time, and always once, as it should be...

> Bug?

I'd rather say "the ghost in the machine"!

I am sure it would work fine tomorrow, if i actually tried...
But won't, since i don't believe in ghosts and stuff :-D

("rawkeydown" is more suitable to my needs anyway...)

Have a nice weekend :-)

> Dar
> ****************************************
>     Dar Scott Consulting
>     http://www.swcp.com/dsc/
>     Programming Services
> ****************************************

Best

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de


From userev at canelasoftware.com  Fri Dec  3 16:42:17 2004
From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 13:42:17 -0800
Subject: arrowkey bug?
In-Reply-To: <6C0C632C-456B-11D9-BE4C-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
References: <DEC5FAA7-454D-11D9-AB87-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>
	<3C202F8C-4555-11D9-9878-000393C3F5BC@canelasoftware.com>
	<E5530202-4557-11D9-AB87-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>
	<6C0C632C-456B-11D9-BE4C-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <33E98064-4574-11D9-9427-000393C3F5BC@canelasoftware.com>


On Dec 3, 2004, at 12:39 PM, Dar Scott wrote:

> On my system (OS X 10.3.6 with US keyboard), I get "up" and "down" but 
> never "left" or "right".
>
> If I suspend dev tools, I do get "left" and "right" and a command put 
> into the command field of the message box.
>
> In neither case do I get multiple hits.
>
> My card script:
>
> on arrowkey was
>   put was & "; " after message
> end arrowkey
>
> Bug?

On my system I have disabled in Rev's Prefs the ability to navigate 
cards via the arrow keys.  Maybe this has a positve/negative effect 
related to this.

-- 
Best regards,
Mark Talluto
http://www.canelasoftware.com


From Roger at logram.com  Fri Dec  3 16:43:00 2004
From: Roger at logram.com (Roger Amar)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 22:43:00 +0100
Subject: DLL problem
Message-ID: <028383377603B34D9728A1E80EA9B43B0131B9@srv.Logram.local>

Hello Gordon,

You are a very nice guy !
When I try to compile your project I get 120 errors; here are some samples of them :

Error   : identifier expected
shellapi.h line 53   DECLARE_HANDLE(HDROP);

Error   : illegal function definition
shellapi.h line 55   EXTERN_C DECLSPEC_IMPORT UINT STDAPICALLTYPE

Error   : illegal function definition
XCmdGlue.h line 39   } Xternal;

Error   : illegal function definition
ScanningServerPlugin.h line 5   void XCabort();

Error   : illegal function definition
ScanningServerPlugin.h line 6   char Xname[];

Error   : illegal function definition
ScanningServerPlugin.h line 7   Xternal Xtable[];

Maybe is missing something like a library or header ?

What do you think about ?

Roger;


-----Message d'origine-----
De : use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] De la part de Gordon Tillman
Envoy? : vendredi 3 d?cembre 2004 15:25
? : How to use Revolution
Objet : Re: DLL problem

Howdy Roger,

Please do let me know how it goes.  Holler at me if you have any questions.

On Dec 3, 2004, at 06:06, Roger Amar wrote:

> Thanks a lot Gordon !
> I'll try to find what is wrong and keep you informed.
> Roger;

Feel free to try out the externals that are included in that project.  
One does a crc32 calculation on a file (osx / windows), and on the windows there are externals to put an icon in the system tray and remove it.  When the user clicks on the icon it shows your stack.  This lets you have a stack that can run with no window but still be made visible when desired.

--gordon

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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Dec  3 16:43:13 2004
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 13:43:13 -0800
Subject: CSV spec and the failure that is MSDN
Message-ID: <41B0DDF1.4030605@fourthworld.com>

Anyone know where I can find the official spec for the CSV formats used 
by Micro$oft Access, Micro$oft Excel, and the the spec used by the rest 
of the world?

All three differ from one another, and according to some Micro$oft has 
changed how CSV is implemented in Excel at least once, maybe twice, so 
it would be good to find historical specs as well.

So far the best I can find is this page:
<http://www.lazy8.nu/doc/exportoptions.en.html#standardspecification>

Nice, but doesn't cover the change, nor Access at all, and if from a 
third party so I have no way to know how current or thorough it is.  At 
least with Micro$oft-published specs I can point customers to the source 
if they have a problem.

Some of the differences include how/whether returns, tabs, commas, and 
quotes are escaped.  For example, some programs output CSV with quotes 
escaped with \q, and others with \", and others with "".  Fun eh?  And 
that's just the beginning.

I've tried looking through MSDN, but everytime I try to use that archaic 
search engine I get more headaches than results.

If any of you know the secret recipe to finding how Microsoft defines 
CSV in its products I'd be much obliged.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  __________________________________________________
  Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev

From dsc at swcp.com  Fri Dec  3 16:47:59 2004
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 14:47:59 -0700
Subject: arrowkey bug?
In-Reply-To: <33E98064-4574-11D9-9427-000393C3F5BC@canelasoftware.com>
References: <DEC5FAA7-454D-11D9-AB87-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>
	<3C202F8C-4555-11D9-9878-000393C3F5BC@canelasoftware.com>
	<E5530202-4557-11D9-AB87-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>
	<6C0C632C-456B-11D9-BE4C-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
	<33E98064-4574-11D9-9427-000393C3F5BC@canelasoftware.com>
Message-ID: <FFA83BFE-4574-11D9-BE4C-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>


On Dec 3, 2004, at 2:42 PM, Mark Talluto wrote:

> On my system I have disabled in Rev's Prefs the ability to navigate 
> cards via the arrow keys.  Maybe this has a positve/negative effect 
> related to this.

Doh!


From got at mindspring.com  Fri Dec  3 17:09:55 2004
From: got at mindspring.com (Gordon Tillman)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 16:09:55 -0600
Subject: DLL problem
In-Reply-To: <028383377603B34D9728A1E80EA9B43B0131B9@srv.Logram.local>
References: <028383377603B34D9728A1E80EA9B43B0131B9@srv.Logram.local>
Message-ID: <105B9BF7-4578-11D9-8DA1-000A95ADFC4C@mindspring.com>

Hi Roger!

I'm wondering if the problem is with different version of Codewarrior?  
check the following:

User Paths:

{Project}
{Project}../RunRevExternalSDK/

System Paths
{Compiler}MSL/
{Compiler}Win32-x86 Support

C/C++ Preprocessor

#define WIN32


Windows RC / Prefix File: ResourcePrefix.h

C/C++ Language

enable bool support
enable wchar_t support
require function prototypes
enums always int
reuse strings
auto-inline
bottom-up inlining



If you have questions you can give me a call:

800-937-8227

Just ask for me.

--gordon


On Dec 3, 2004, at 15:43, Roger Amar wrote:

> Hello Gordon,
>
> You are a very nice guy !
> When I try to compile your project I get 120 errors; here are some 
> samples of them :
>
> Error   : identifier expected
> shellapi.h line 53   DECLARE_HANDLE(HDROP);
>
> Error   : illegal function definition
> shellapi.h line 55   EXTERN_C DECLSPEC_IMPORT UINT STDAPICALLTYPE
>
> Error   : illegal function definition
> XCmdGlue.h line 39   } Xternal;
>
> Error   : illegal function definition
> ScanningServerPlugin.h line 5   void XCabort();
>
> Error   : illegal function definition
> ScanningServerPlugin.h line 6   char Xname[];
>
> Error   : illegal function definition
> ScanningServerPlugin.h line 7   Xternal Xtable[];
>
> Maybe is missing something like a library or header ?
>
> What do you think about ?
>
> Roger;
>
>
> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com 
> [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] De la part de Gordon 
> Tillman
> Envoy? : vendredi 3 d?cembre 2004 15:25
> ? : How to use Revolution
> Objet : Re: DLL problem
>
> Howdy Roger,
>
> Please do let me know how it goes.  Holler at me if you have any 
> questions.
>
> On Dec 3, 2004, at 06:06, Roger Amar wrote:
>
>> Thanks a lot Gordon !
>> I'll try to find what is wrong and keep you informed.
>> Roger;
>
> Feel free to try out the externals that are included in that project.
> One does a crc32 calculation on a file (osx / windows), and on the 
> windows there are externals to put an icon in the system tray and 
> remove it.  When the user clicks on the icon it shows your stack.  
> This lets you have a stack that can run with no window but still be 
> made visible when desired.
>
> --gordon
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>


From Roger at logram.com  Fri Dec  3 17:33:28 2004
From: Roger at logram.com (Roger Amar)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 23:33:28 +0100
Subject: DLL problem
Message-ID: <028383377603B34D9728A1E80EA9B43B0131BA@srv.Logram.local>

Hi Gordon,

Unfortunately, no changes.
Since it is 23:32 here in France, I'm going to bed !
I'll try again tomorrow and keep you informed.

Thanks again,

Roger;
 

-----Message d'origine-----
De : use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] De la part de Gordon Tillman
Envoy? : vendredi 3 d?cembre 2004 23:10
? : How to use Revolution
Objet : Re: DLL problem

Hi Roger!

I'm wondering if the problem is with different version of Codewarrior?  
check the following:

User Paths:

{Project}
{Project}../RunRevExternalSDK/

System Paths
{Compiler}MSL/
{Compiler}Win32-x86 Support

C/C++ Preprocessor

#define WIN32


Windows RC / Prefix File: ResourcePrefix.h

C/C++ Language

enable bool support
enable wchar_t support
require function prototypes
enums always int
reuse strings
auto-inline
bottom-up inlining



If you have questions you can give me a call:

800-937-8227

Just ask for me.

--gordon


On Dec 3, 2004, at 15:43, Roger Amar wrote:

> Hello Gordon,
>
> You are a very nice guy !
> When I try to compile your project I get 120 errors; here are some 
> samples of them :
>
> Error   : identifier expected
> shellapi.h line 53   DECLARE_HANDLE(HDROP);
>
> Error   : illegal function definition
> shellapi.h line 55   EXTERN_C DECLSPEC_IMPORT UINT STDAPICALLTYPE
>
> Error   : illegal function definition
> XCmdGlue.h line 39   } Xternal;
>
> Error   : illegal function definition
> ScanningServerPlugin.h line 5   void XCabort();
>
> Error   : illegal function definition
> ScanningServerPlugin.h line 6   char Xname[];
>
> Error   : illegal function definition
> ScanningServerPlugin.h line 7   Xternal Xtable[];
>
> Maybe is missing something like a library or header ?
>
> What do you think about ?
>
> Roger;
>
>
> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
> [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] De la part de Gordon 
> Tillman Envoy? : vendredi 3 d?cembre 2004 15:25 ? : How to use 
> Revolution Objet : Re: DLL problem
>
> Howdy Roger,
>
> Please do let me know how it goes.  Holler at me if you have any 
> questions.
>
> On Dec 3, 2004, at 06:06, Roger Amar wrote:
>
>> Thanks a lot Gordon !
>> I'll try to find what is wrong and keep you informed.
>> Roger;
>
> Feel free to try out the externals that are included in that project.
> One does a crc32 calculation on a file (osx / windows), and on the 
> windows there are externals to put an icon in the system tray and 
> remove it.  When the user clicks on the icon it shows your stack.
> This lets you have a stack that can run with no window but still be 
> made visible when desired.
>
> --gordon
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>

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From immunoteam at yahoo.com  Fri Dec  3 19:54:11 2004
From: immunoteam at yahoo.com (Anna Shn)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 16:54:11 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Fwd: CrossPlatform Usability and Text Formatting
Message-ID: <20041204005411.9221.qmail@web50907.mail.yahoo.com>

Hello, 

I created a Revolution-Dreamcard standalone
application. I chose OS10 and Windows in the
Standalone Application Settings but, when I go to a PC
and open "immunology.exe", I lose all of the text
[size, style, font, etc] formatting I prepared in the
OS10 editing version. How can I make an application
which is truly cross-platform? Is there any way to
preserve the text formatting when I go to Windows [I already tried changing all the font to Times New Roman, which solved the problem of style but since Times in Windows is slightly different than in OS10, the text was shifted when I tried to run the standalone application on a PC]?

As a separate question, how it is possible to use HTML
within a field. Can I do something like "Hello!
my name is Anna? Where Hello is bold and Anna
is italicized within a single field?

Thank you!

Anna 

__________________________________________________
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From runrev at jkvaldez.com  Fri Dec  3 21:23:27 2004
From: runrev at jkvaldez.com (runrev at jkvaldez.com)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 21:23:27 -0500 (EST)
Subject: "select text of" won't select text but Rev docs says it does. (was 
 openField....)
Message-ID: <45147.127.0.0.1.1102127007.squirrel@127.0.0.1>

Sorry to resubmit this topic, but the subject I had used earlier is
misleading. This should make the problem more clear.

The built-in rev dictionary (located in Help: Objects > Field > Message >
openField) says you can select the entire text in a field by:

on openField -- when clicking in the field, select all its text
  select text of the target
end openField

This doesn't work for me. Create a new stack, drag out a scrolling text
field, enter the above handler/script. It works only if I tab into the
fld. But if I click it, I can see it briefly hilite the text but then it
immediately sets the insertion point where I clicked--so no text is
selected.

I'm using OSX 10.3, rev 2.5. I didn't see anything in bugzilla or posted
in the list. Anyone experiencing this?


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Dec  3 22:35:02 2004
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 19:35:02 -0800
Subject: Fwd: CrossPlatform Usability and Text Formatting
In-Reply-To: <20041204005411.9221.qmail@web50907.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20041204005411.9221.qmail@web50907.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <41B13066.5030707@fourthworld.com>

Anna Shn wrote:

 > I created a Revolution-Dreamcard standalone
 > application. I chose OS10 and Windows in the
 > Standalone Application Settings but, when I go to a PC
 > and open "immunology.exe", I lose all of the text
 > [size, style, font, etc] formatting I prepared in the
 > OS10 editing version. How can I make an application
 > which is truly cross-platform? Is there any way to
 > preserve the text formatting when I go to Windows
 > [I already tried changing all the font to Times
 > New Roman, which solved the problem of style but
 > since Times in Windows is slightly different than
 > in OS10, the text was shifted when I tried to run
 > the standalone application on a PC]?

Welcome to cross-platform computing.

If you think making cross-platform software is hard, try making web 
sites that look even remotely related across platforms. ;)

Windows and OS X use very different mechanisms and for the most part 
different font definitions to render text on screen.   Since most of my 
apps are production tools I tend to prefer having different fonts on 
each platform, adhering to the HIGs for each where practical, but I 
understand that for multimedia and other specialized applications it can 
sometimes be desirable to try to get the same look on both systems.

There was a thread here a couple weeks ago on this -- anyone have the 
time to put that into the FAQ?


 > As a separate question, how it is possible to use HTML
 > within a field. Can I do something like "Hello!
 > my name is Anna? Where Hello is bold and Anna
 > is italicized within a single field?

set the htmlText of fld 1 to "<b>Hello</b>! My name is"\
   &"<i>Anna</i>"

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  __________________________________________________
  Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev

From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sat Dec  4 00:26:53 2004
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 21:26:53 -0800
Subject: QT->MP3?
In-Reply-To: <1101819352.27948.58.camel@rachmaninov.runtime>
References: <20041130102517.BBDE29300D4@mail.runrev.com>
	<CE6E72A1-42C1-11D9-8471-000A27945590@interisland.net>
	<41AC57AD.1000301@fourthworld.com>
	<1101819352.27948.58.camel@rachmaninov.runtime>
Message-ID: <41B14A9D.3080300@fourthworld.com>

Mark Waddingham wrote:
> I'd imagine one reason Apple pulled support for MP3 from the QT API was
> the software patents held by Frauhoffer in several countries (including
> Germany and the US). From what I understand of the situation Frauhoffer
> are 'entitled' to (and enforce) a fee for every 'MP3 encoder'
> distributed (whether it be for no cost or not).
> 
> Unfortunately, the legal issues surrounding the incorporation of support
> for MP3 encoding/decoding in the engine are muddy at best and would
> probably require many hours of a patent lawyer's time to correctly
> determine.

On my planet we have a rule:  If you keep silent about your patent and 
only choose to enforce _after_ you've seduced the entire world into 
using your work, that's recognized as bait-and-switch and your patent 
awarded to the public domain.

We've seen this with GIF, JPEG, and now MP3.  Where is the patent holder 
with the honesty to enforce a patent _before_ tens of millions of people 
invest in it?

Thank gawd Compton's was backed down, or we'd all be paying them 
royalties everytime we backup with two or more different file formats on 
the CD....

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com

From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Sat Dec  4 00:46:42 2004
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 21:46:42 -0800
Subject: devolution available
Message-ID: <p0620070cbdd6ffaaef42@[10.0.1.2]>

Richard - beautiful work on your Devolution tools - however I've run 
into a snag on the 4W script editor section - selecting that 
generates an error when opening and closing  the "Editor Card". It 
appears you have alternate versions of that part that didn't get 
properly linked. I might be able to hack a fix, however I'm not 
totally familiar on it's hooked up, and also also you might be 
preparing a fix as I speak!

Anyway, great design, nice coding and really useful tools.. thanks

stephen barncard


>While the "official" release of devolution isn't until next week, 
>you folks can download it today:
>
><http://www.fourthworld.com/products/devolution/dev.html>
>
>Please send any bug reports to devo at fourthworld.com
>
>Enjoy!
>
>--
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World Media Corporation

From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sat Dec  4 01:42:25 2004
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 22:42:25 -0800
Subject: devolution available
In-Reply-To: <p0620070cbdd6ffaaef42@[10.0.1.2]>
References: <p0620070cbdd6ffaaef42@[10.0.1.2]>
Message-ID: <41B15C51.2010904@fourthworld.com>

Stephen Barncard wrote:
> Richard - beautiful work on your Devolution tools - however I've run 
> into a snag on the 4W script editor section - selecting that generates 
> an error when opening and closing  the "Editor Card". It appears you 
> have alternate versions of that part that didn't get properly linked. I 
> might be able to hack a fix, however I'm not totally familiar on it's 
> hooked up, and also also you might be preparing a fix as I speak!
> 
> Anyway, great design, nice coding and really useful tools.. thanks

Thank you for the kind words.

I should probably note in the docs that the Script Editor was designed 
for use in the MC IDE.  It would be nice if it worked in Rev, but Rev 
already has the only feature I cloned mine out of MC to modify: the 
handler list on the left.

If you feel like modifying it maybe the best thing might be for me to 
break that out into a separate stack file. Then you and/or anyone else 
could each contribute a little here and a little there and one day it 
might become a good editor. :)

Anyone else interested in working on a script editor if it were open source?

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com

From scott at tactilemedia.com  Sat Dec  4 01:58:54 2004
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 22:58:54 -0800
Subject: devolution available
In-Reply-To: <41B15C51.2010904@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <BDD6A02E.1B82E%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Anyone else interested in working on a script editor if it were open source?

I might go for that.  Regardless, breaking it out into a separate stack
would make it much easier to deal with.

Thanks & Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Development & Design
-----
E: scott at tactilemedia.com
W: http://www.tactilemedia.com


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Sat Dec  4 01:59:21 2004
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 00:59:21 -0600
Subject: CSV-parsing post?
In-Reply-To: <41B099E5.9010701@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <BDD6BC69.A385%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 12/3/04 10:52 AM, "Richard Gaskin" <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:

> MisterX wrote:
> 
>>> Richard Gaskin wrote:
>>> I could have sworn I'd seen a post here in parsing CSV files
>>> recently, but now that I'm in a position to test it I can't
>>> turn it up.
>>> 
>>> W ould the poster kindly re-post?  Thanks in advnance -
>> 
>> c for commas or c for concurrent ;)
> 
> In "CSV" the "C" stands for "comma" ("comma-separated values").  "C"
> stands for "concurrent" in "CVS".
> 
> You and I both currently use a method that walks through the data
> character by character, but the method I'm looking for uses the split
> command in a novel way with a ten-fold speed improvement.

Here's what I have from Alex Tweedly that uses split:

function CSV2Tab3 pData
   local tNuData -- contains tabbed copy of data
   local tReturnPlaceholder -- replaces cr in field data to avoid line
   --                       breaks which would be misread as records;
   --                       replaced later during dislay
   local tEscapedQuotePlaceholder -- used for keeping track of quotes
   --                       in data
   local tInQuotedText -- flag set while reading data between quotes
   --
   put numtochar(11) into tReturnPlaceholder -- vertical tab as
   --                       placeholder
   put numtochar(2)  into tEscapedQuotePlaceholder -- used to simplify
   --                       distinction between quotes in data and those
   --                       used in delimiters
   --
   -- Normalize line endings:
   replace crlf with cr in pData          -- Win to UNIX
   replace numtochar(13) with cr in pData -- Mac to UNIX
   --
   -- Put placeholder in escaped quote (non-delimiter) chars:
   replace ("\"&quote) with tEscapedQuotePlaceholder in pData
   replace quote&quote with tEscapedQuotePlaceholder in pData --<NEW
   --
   put space before pData   -- to avoid ambiguity of starting context
   split pData by quote
   put False into tInsideQuoted
   repeat for each element k in pData
     if (tInsideQuoted) then
       replace cr with tReturnPlaceholder in k
       put k after tNuData
       put False into tInsideQuoted
     else
       replace comma with tab in k
       put k after tNuData
       put true into tInsideQuoted
     end if
   end repeat
   --
   delete char 1 of tNuData -- remove the leading space
   replace tEscapedQuotePlaceholder with quote in tNuData
   return tNuData
end CSV2Tab3


Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From kray at sonsothunder.com  Sat Dec  4 01:57:49 2004
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 00:57:49 -0600
Subject: devolution available
In-Reply-To: <41B15C51.2010904@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <BDD6BC0D.A384%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 12/4/04 12:42 AM, "Richard Gaskin" <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:

> Anyone else interested in working on a script editor if it were open source?

Count me in...

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From dick.kriesel at mail.com  Sat Dec  4 02:53:41 2004
From: dick.kriesel at mail.com (Dick Kriesel)
Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 23:53:41 -0800
Subject: devolution available
In-Reply-To: <41B15C51.2010904@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <BDD6AD05.BDCB%dick.kriesel@mail.com>

On 12/3/04 10:42 PM, "Richard Gaskin" <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:

> Anyone else interested in working on a script editor if it were open source?

If it would be integrated with the Rev debugger, then I'd want to join in
the effort.  Would it?

-- Dick

From jsng at wayoflife.org  Sat Dec  4 08:25:56 2004
From: jsng at wayoflife.org (Jesse Sng)
Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 21:25:56 +0800
Subject: RealBasic 5.5 vs Revolution article
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.8.2.20041203161147.00c02d68@alf.uib.no>
References: <5.2.0.8.2.20041203161147.00c02d68@alf.uib.no>
Message-ID: <p06200717bdd76acab1f9@[192.168.1.101]>

Hi,

Just thought you might want to know that there was a brief comparison 
between Revolution and RealBasic 5.5 in this article:

http://www.applelust.com/reviews/archives/realbasic55/


Jesse

From jsng at wayoflife.org  Sat Dec  4 08:32:34 2004
From: jsng at wayoflife.org (Jesse Sng)
Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 21:32:34 +0800
Subject: Cross platform search database
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.8.2.20041203161147.00c02d68@alf.uib.no>
References: <5.2.0.8.2.20041203161147.00c02d68@alf.uib.no>
Message-ID: <p06200718bdd76b68d713@[192.168.1.101]>

Hi,

I would like to build a cross platform app that would be shipped on a 
CD-ROM that contains a whole collection of html files.

Previously, we had to depend on a Java applet, but that had all sorts 
of problems with XP and also OS X and works on certain browsers only. 
I would like to abandon that and use Revolution as the engine if 
possible.

My question is this: What would be the best approach to building this?

I did have some preliminary code to recursively decend down a series 
of folders and then the general idea would be to load up the text 
into cards and allow text searching on those cards?

My understanding from some of the previous discussions is that the 
entire stack is loaded into memory and that would mean that the more 
content there is, the more memory would be required for that.

Are there any other approaches to this? Can a stack keep most of its 
data on the hard disk and still be searchable for its text?

I don't have a problem with keeping the redundant text inside 
Revolution stacks. My goal in the long term is to do away with the 
html files totally (lots of legacy files) and to have everything 
presented from within Revolution itself.

The goal is to allow text searching, which will show up a bunch of 
hits in a window and a scrolling list and then allow the user to 
click on one of those choices and then launch back into the browser 
window to see the actual file.

I would appreciate it if there are any pointers or suggestions as to 
how to best go about doing this.

In the old days of Hypercard and Supercard, it would have been a 
matter of just throwing everything into individual cards on a stack 
and the stack contents are paged from the hard drive. If everything 
is preloaded into memory in Revolution, then I might have a problem 
ultimately as the contents grow before I am able to make a full 
transition a cd-rom that's entirely done using Revolution.


Jesse Sng

From b.xavier at internet.lu  Sat Dec  4 09:41:52 2004
From: b.xavier at internet.lu (MisterX)
Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 15:41:52 +0100
Subject: CSV spec and the failure that is MSDN
In-Reply-To: <41B0DDF1.4030605@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <20041204143332.1DC5D93008D@mail.runrev.com>


Welcome to Windows!

It might be easiest to write a vbs exporter to correct their
crap... I would search in that direction first. 

Second option: use tab file export or DBF (I think DBF is uppercase 
ASCII data but i might be wrong). 

Moft sux in exporting data - they've never had any any or any
consistency at all for crossplatformness - in the very least. 

But a bit of vbs would be the way to go.
You can invoke vbs or wsh (windows scripting host) with the
shell and just type your scripts in a stack. 

There's also export options if I remember in excel. Access I avoid 
az muuuch az pazeebel. Crapware warning.

Dont use msdn, use technet.microsoft.com! ;)

cheerios man!
Xav

I use RunRev to evade Windows daily!


> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com 
> [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of 
> Richard Gaskin
> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 22:43
> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: CSV spec and the failure that is MSDN
> 
> Anyone know where I can find the official spec for the CSV 
> formats used by Micro$oft Access, Micro$oft Excel, and the 
> the spec used by the rest of the world?
> 
> All three differ from one another, and according to some 
> Micro$oft has changed how CSV is implemented in Excel at 
> least once, maybe twice, so it would be good to find 
> historical specs as well.
> 
> So far the best I can find is this page:
> <http://www.lazy8.nu/doc/exportoptions.en.html#standardspecification>
> 
> Nice, but doesn't cover the change, nor Access at all, and if 
> from a third party so I have no way to know how current or 
> thorough it is.  At least with Micro$oft-published specs I 
> can point customers to the source if they have a problem.
> 
> Some of the differences include how/whether returns, tabs, 
> commas, and quotes are escaped.  For example, some programs 
> output CSV with quotes escaped with \q, and others with \", 
> and others with "".  Fun eh?  And that's just the beginning.
> 
> I've tried looking through MSDN, but everytime I try to use 
> that archaic search engine I get more headaches than results.
> 
> If any of you know the secret recipe to finding how Microsoft 
> defines CSV in its products I'd be much obliged.
> 
> --
>   Richard Gaskin
>   Fourth World Media Corporation
>   __________________________________________________
>   Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev 
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> 


From b.xavier at internet.lu  Sat Dec  4 09:59:06 2004
From: b.xavier at internet.lu (MisterX)
Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 15:59:06 +0100
Subject: Cross platform search database
In-Reply-To: <p06200718bdd76b68d713@[192.168.1.101]>
Message-ID: <20041204145045.94BB19300C2@mail.runrev.com>

 
Hi Jesse!

> I would like to build a cross platform app that would be 
> shipped on a CD-ROM that contains a whole collection of html files.

We'll see about that! I'll give you another approach list that could 
maybe fit... 
 
> Previously, we had to depend on a Java applet, but that had 
> all sorts of problems with XP and also OS X and works on 
> certain browsers only. 
> I would like to abandon that and use Revolution as the engine 
> if possible.

Very good choice! You'll see that you can go beyond HTML in no time
without much trouble and better results just like in the old days!

> My question is this: What would be the best approach to building this?

Since HyperCard, the stack is the dataholder and the application.
This is one approach. The other which is the application accessing
the data stored externally is the lighter approach. Memory isn't 
usually a problem but oversized stacks can be. 

So you can easily create a GUI to browse through the folders and
load the data from text files. I find it easier to grab data off
stack files (which can be encrypted and loaded hidden!) It all 
depends on the data... 

> I did have some preliminary code to recursively decend down a 
> series of folders and then the general idea would be to load 
> up the text into cards and allow text searching on those cards?

Well, if the stack has the text files imported, you wont need to 
reload them after. A stack is also very easy to search...
 
> My understanding from some of the previous discussions is 
> that the entire stack is loaded into memory and that would 
> mean that the more content there is, the more memory would be 
> required for that.

The optimal size depends on the granularity of your data. 

Lots of records or huge records or both?
Lots of searching "what?"

You can always index stack content and distribute it like a linked 
list or double linked list record database (you keep a link to a 
card in a stack and that's a link! This is really fast for multi
leveled records or hierarchical databases.

Imagine you have a dictionary or encyclopedia.
You can't put it all in one stack! 

So you can break it down into subjects or alphabetical groupings
or usage frequency or by geographical / ethimological source!

> Are there any other approaches to this? Can a stack keep most 
> of its data on the hard disk and still be searchable for its text?

Yes. Yes! But I would keep images separated... If there's over a
hundred images, keep them off-stack with the relative path to the
image. You can ammend the real path at runtime or preload the images
into the stack you display - choices are infinite... 
 
> I don't have a problem with keeping the redundant text inside 
> Revolution stacks. My goal in the long term is to do away 
> with the html files totally (lots of legacy files) and to 
> have everything presented from within Revolution itself.

no prob. RunRev apps run locally or off the pc without installers.
I would assume the same from Macs or Linux but not sure as I've
not tried them yet.

> The goal is to allow text searching, which will show up a 
> bunch of hits in a window and a scrolling list and then allow 
> the user to click on one of those choices and then launch 
> back into the browser window to see the actual file.
 
> I would appreciate it if there are any pointers or 
> suggestions as to how to best go about doing this.

There's at least a million stacks out there with examples of 
databases. Lots of links to show... But I can proudly say you
can find examples for all you want in monsieurx.com.

You have HTML parsers - the DiscreteBrowser stack
You have databases - Search for csv (a simple csv file importer
with field parser to create a stack database.

Or search for xos an advanced virtual database meta-format OS.
There's an example self documenting of sorts stack too...

> In the old days of Hypercard and Supercard, it would have 
> been a matter of just throwing everything into individual 
> cards on a stack and the stack contents are paged from the 
> hard drive. If everything is preloaded into memory in 
> Revolution, then I might have a problem ultimately as the 
> contents grow before I am able to make a full transition a 
> cd-rom that's entirely done using Revolution.

Still is actually! Just with mo features to throw at the client!

Cheers
Xavier


From Meitnik at aol.com  Sat Dec  4 12:49:22 2004
From: Meitnik at aol.com (Meitnik at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 12:49:22 EST
Subject: open source script editor...
Message-ID: <1a2.2c453830.2ee352a2@aol.com>


In a message dated 12/4/04 12:07:52 PM, 
use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com writes:


> Anyone else interested in working on a script editor if it were open 
> source?
> -- count me in.

Andrew


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Dec  4 13:49:53 2004
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 12:49:53 -0600
Subject: "select text of" won't select text but Rev docs says it does.
 (was  openField....)
In-Reply-To: <45147.127.0.0.1.1102127007.squirrel@127.0.0.1>
References: <45147.127.0.0.1.1102127007.squirrel@127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: <41B206D1.5000504@hyperactivesw.com>

On 12/3/04 8:23 PM, runrev at jkvaldez.com wrote:

> Sorry to resubmit this topic, but the subject I had used earlier is
> misleading. This should make the problem more clear.
> 
> The built-in rev dictionary (located in Help: Objects > Field > Message >
> openField) says you can select the entire text in a field by:
> 
> on openField -- when clicking in the field, select all its text
>   select text of the target
> end openField
> 
> This doesn't work for me. Create a new stack, drag out a scrolling text
> field, enter the above handler/script. It works only if I tab into the
> fld. But if I click it, I can see it briefly hilite the text but then it
> immediately sets the insertion point where I clicked--so no text is
> selected.
> 
> I'm using OSX 10.3, rev 2.5. I didn't see anything in bugzilla or posted
> in the list. Anyone experiencing this?

Yes, but it isn't a bug, it is the natural result of the message sending 
hierarchy. When the field opens, the handler runs and selects all the 
text, but then Rev's built-in behavior sets the cursor in the text, 
which deselects it and places the insertion point at the location of the 
click.

I was able to get the text to remain selected by changing the handler 
name from "openfield" to "selectionchanged":

on selectionChanged
  select text of the target
end selectionChanged

This isn't ideal, since any time the user clicks in the field -- even if 
the field is already open for editing -- the text will become selected. 
This only happens every other time though, since if the user clicks a 
second time within the fully-selected text, the text deselects and the 
insertion point is placed (just like what happens in your openField 
handler.)

Depending on how your stack works, this may be good enough. If not, 
write again and maybe we can brainstorm.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com

From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Dec  4 13:57:08 2004
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 12:57:08 -0600
Subject: Fwd: CrossPlatform Usability and Text Formatting
In-Reply-To: <20041204005411.9221.qmail@web50907.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20041204005411.9221.qmail@web50907.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <41B20884.1080306@hyperactivesw.com>

On 12/3/04 6:54 PM, Anna Shn wrote:

> Hello, 
> 
> I created a Revolution-Dreamcard standalone
> application. I chose OS10 and Windows in the
> Standalone Application Settings but, when I go to a PC
> and open "immunology.exe", I lose all of the text
> [size, style, font, etc] formatting I prepared in the
> OS10 editing version. How can I make an application
> which is truly cross-platform? Is there any way to
> preserve the text formatting when I go to Windows [I already tried changing all the font to Times New Roman, which solved the problem of style but since Times in Windows is slightly different than in OS10, the text was shifted when I tried to run the standalone application on a PC]?

As Richard pointed out, there isn't any 100% effective way to handle the 
differences in fonts between Windows and Macs, but in general it is a 
good idea to set a font that is common between platforms, and then leave 
a good amount of extra room in the size of the field to allow for 
Window's somewhat wider font spacing. Some fonts that are common to both 
Mac and Windows are Times New Roman and Courier; there are others.

Another way that sometimes works is to have a handler check the platform 
that is running, and set the font size in Windows a bit smaller than it 
is on a Mac. You can do this in a preOpenCard handler if the changes 
affect only that card, or do it more generally in a preOpenStack handler 
if the changes need to be widespread. For example, set the textsize to 
12 on Mac and 11 on Windows. You'll want to experiment to see exactly 
how much different the sizes need to be.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com

From Roger at logram.com  Sat Dec  4 16:17:08 2004
From: Roger at logram.com (Roger Amar)
Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 22:17:08 +0100
Subject: DLL problem -> Good News !
Message-ID: <028383377603B34D9728A1E80EA9B43B0131BB@srv.Logram.local>

Hello Gordon, I'm back.

My dll started to work by adding a .def file to export the getXtable function.

The "DLL Article" provided by Revolution as a documentation on how to write External DLLs for Runtime Revolution is unnecessarily talkative and confusing.

For example this piece of code...

extern "C"
{
	void getXtable()
}

... generates an error either with VC++ or with CodeWarrior.

Other example :

"The Metacard / Revolution engine uses the Microsoft OBJ convention for Windows DLLs. Here's the convention you need to support:

1. arguments passed on the stack, not in registers
2. no prepended underscores in function names
3. function names are mixed case
4. calling, not called, function cleans up the stack
"
How to know?

The last example : the "Article" has forgotten to talk about the .def file !
( __declspec( dllexport ) void __cdecl getXtable(); is not able to export to >RR even with the full parameter set)

The so-called "Externals.rev" generates incomplete code where the .def is missing and no example is provided about the setting of the compiler/linker

On another words, this documentation is discouraging for those who want to develop a DLL.

My DLL is designed to return the physical address (MAC address) of the first lan controller. If you are interested, just ask by email to roger at logram.com and I'll send it to you with the source.
This offer is also available for those who want to receive it.

Thanks again for your very kind help.

Roger;




-----Message d'origine-----
De : use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] De la part de Gordon Tillman
Envoy? : vendredi 3 d?cembre 2004 23:10
? : How to use Revolution
Objet : Re: DLL problem

Hi Roger!

I'm wondering if the problem is with different version of Codewarrior?  
check the following:

User Paths:

{Project}
{Project}../RunRevExternalSDK/

System Paths
{Compiler}MSL/
{Compiler}Win32-x86 Support

C/C++ Preprocessor

#define WIN32


Windows RC / Prefix File: ResourcePrefix.h

C/C++ Language

enable bool support
enable wchar_t support
require function prototypes
enums always int
reuse strings
auto-inline
bottom-up inlining



If you have questions you can give me a call:

800-937-8227

Just ask for me.

--gordon


On Dec 3, 2004, at 15:43, Roger Amar wrote:

> Hello Gordon,
>
> You are a very nice guy !
> When I try to compile your project I get 120 errors; here are some 
> samples of them :
>
> Error   : identifier expected
> shellapi.h line 53   DECLARE_HANDLE(HDROP);
>
> Error   : illegal function definition
> shellapi.h line 55   EXTERN_C DECLSPEC_IMPORT UINT STDAPICALLTYPE
>
> Error   : illegal function definition
> XCmdGlue.h line 39   } Xternal;
>
> Error   : illegal function definition
> ScanningServerPlugin.h line 5   void XCabort();
>
> Error   : illegal function definition
> ScanningServerPlugin.h line 6   char Xname[];
>
> Error   : illegal function definition
> ScanningServerPlugin.h line 7   Xternal Xtable[];
>
> Maybe is missing something like a library or header ?
>
> What do you think about ?
>
> Roger;
>
>
> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
> [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] De la part de Gordon 
> Tillman Envoy? : vendredi 3 d?cembre 2004 15:25 ? : How to use 
> Revolution Objet : Re: DLL problem
>
> Howdy Roger,
>
> Please do let me know how it goes.  Holler at me if you have any 
> questions.
>
> On Dec 3, 2004, at 06:06, Roger Amar wrote:
>
>> Thanks a lot Gordon !
>> I'll try to find what is wrong and keep you informed.
>> Roger;
>
> Feel free to try out the externals that are included in that project.
> One does a crc32 calculation on a file (osx / windows), and on the 
> windows there are externals to put an icon in the system tray and 
> remove it.  When the user clicks on the icon it shows your stack.
> This lets you have a stack that can run with no window but still be 
> made visible when desired.
>
> --gordon
>
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>
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From harrison at all-auctions.com  Sat Dec  4 16:34:48 2004
From: harrison at all-auctions.com (Rick Harrison)
Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 16:34:48 -0500
Subject: Opacity Percentage?
In-Reply-To: <p06100552bdb8cd50dd99@[66.93.39.98]>
References: <BDB7A404.E30E%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<p06100552bdb8cd50dd99@[66.93.39.98]>
Message-ID: <530A5ABB-463C-11D9-AFFD-000393C10758@all-auctions.com>

Hi there,

I wanted to create a bunch of different color filters
and to be able to change the opacity by percentages.

I thought I'd use a basic rectangle and see if I could
change the opacity so that the object beneath it
shows through.

So far I haven't found a way to do this in Revolution.

Is there a way?

Thanks in advance.

Rick


From gwalias-rev at yahoo.com  Sat Dec  4 16:45:00 2004
From: gwalias-rev at yahoo.com (Gordon)
Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 13:45:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Animation Tool
Message-ID: <20041204214500.11636.qmail@web51104.mail.yahoo.com>

Dear Revolutionaries

I just sprung for the Rev Studio 2.5 and manuals, but
the manuals will take soe time to arrive so for now
I'm stuck with the rather scant built-in
documentation.

Looking through this documentation, I was reading
about an "Animation Tool" in the "Tools" menu, but I
don't see it in the menu. Is this feature an extra I
have to pay for? How do I use the revPlayAnimation
command? What does it do exactly?

Another question - how do any of you deal with drawing
and manipulating 3D objects? Are there any rev
libraries/commands for this? Does rev offer
pixel-level control for drawing and graphics? It's
really not clear from the docs I have, what sort of
graphics capability Rev has apart from the kind of
"ready-made" graphics it  handles as multimedia?

Thanks to all of you who have helped me so far - this
list is great and now that I've committed to using Rev
seriously, I'm sure I will be a regular here.

Best

Gordon


From david at kwinter.ca  Sat Dec  4 16:46:00 2004
From: david at kwinter.ca (David Kwinter)
Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 13:46:00 -0800
Subject: Opacity Percentage?
References: 	<BDB7A404.E30E%scott@tactilemedia.com><p06100552bdb8cd50dd99@[66.93.39.98]>
	<530A5ABB-463C-11D9-AFFD-000393C10758@all-auctions.com>
Message-ID: <000f01c4da4a$a5a36340$6502a8c0@davidvq5o4w7vw>

You'll need to use images and manipulate their alphadata. See
http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/metacard/tips/imag005.htm


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rick Harrison" <harrison at all-auctions.com>
To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 1:34 PM
Subject: Opacity Percentage?


> Hi there,
> 
> I wanted to create a bunch of different color filters
> and to be able to change the opacity by percentages.
> 
> I thought I'd use a basic rectangle and see if I could
> change the opacity so that the object beneath it
> shows through.
> 
> So far I haven't found a way to do this in Revolution.
> 
> Is there a way?
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> Rick
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>

From dsc at swcp.com  Sat Dec  4 17:02:25 2004
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 15:02:25 -0700
Subject: Opacity Percentage?
In-Reply-To: <000f01c4da4a$a5a36340$6502a8c0@davidvq5o4w7vw>
References: 	<BDB7A404.E30E%scott@tactilemedia.com><p06100552bdb8cd50dd99@[66.93.39.98]>
	<530A5ABB-463C-11D9-AFFD-000393C10758@all-auctions.com>
	<000f01c4da4a$a5a36340$6502a8c0@davidvq5o4w7vw>
Message-ID: <2E730C25-4640-11D9-804E-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>


On Dec 4, 2004, at 2:46 PM, David Kwinter wrote:

> You'll need to use images and manipulate their alphadata.

Also, consider blendLevel which applies to the whole image.

Dar
****************************************
     Dar Scott Consulting
     http://www.swcp.com/dsc/
     Programming Services
****************************************


From troy at rpsystems.net  Sat Dec  4 17:13:27 2004
From: troy at rpsystems.net (Troy Rollins)
Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 17:13:27 -0500
Subject: Animation Tool
In-Reply-To: <20041204214500.11636.qmail@web51104.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20041204214500.11636.qmail@web51104.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <B92B58EC-4641-11D9-8C36-000A95A09CF8@rpsystems.net>


On Dec 4, 2004, at 4:45 PM, Gordon wrote:

> Looking through this documentation, I was reading
> about an "Animation Tool" in the "Tools" menu, but I
> don't see it in the menu. Is this feature an extra I
> have to pay for? How do I use the revPlayAnimation
> command? What does it do exactly?

It is a no longer supported feature, which was supposed to let you do 
timeline-style authoring (sort of like Flash or Director.)

I think the stack is still distributed with the package somehow, but it 
tended to act a bit flaky, and most people abandoned it for some 
solution of their own.

Last I heard, RunRev had plans to produce something more up-to-date to 
replace it, but I imagine that isn't all that high on the development 
list. Unless you specifically need that sort of thing, I wouldn't get 
too caught up with it. And if you do, I still wouldn't get too caught 
up with it, since it really didn't function very well - which is the 
reason RunRev felt it wasn't up to the standards of the rest of the 
product and removed it from the line-up - at least for now.
--
Troy
RPSystems, Ltd.
http://www.rpsystems.net


From malte.brill at t-online.de  Sat Dec  4 17:21:15 2004
From: malte.brill at t-online.de (malte.brill at t-online.de)
Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 23:21:15 +0100 (CET)
Subject: Animation Tool
In-Reply-To: <20041203222901.4028B930103@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20041203222901.4028B930103@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <1102198340.41b2364436b74@modem.webmail.t-online.de>

Hi Gordon,

the Animation Tool you?re referring to is no longer supported in rev
2.5.
 I guess they just didn?t take it from the docs because of backwards
compatibility.
 It was an animation manager tool, that didn?t work too good and was a
bit complicated.

If you want to do nice smooth scripted animations you might download
libRMC from my server
or revOnline.

www.derbrill.de/librmc/libRMC.rev.zip
--just the lib

www.derbrill.de/librmc/libRMCDemo.rev.zip
--a demo stack carrying the lib

www.derbrill.de/librmc/docs.pdf
--the PDF docs

This is for 2D animations only and carries besides other things:

moving objects on circular paths
moving objects on elliptical paths
moving object on linear paths
moving objects on polygonal paths
circle circle collision detection
finding distances and angles between objects

The lib is donationware. 

Best,

Malte

From alw918 at earthlink.net  Sat Dec  4 17:35:58 2004
From: alw918 at earthlink.net (Andrew)
Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 14:35:58 -0800
Subject: Coding for windows standalone
In-Reply-To: <20041203222900.E5C86930101@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <DE00F286-4644-11D9-9792-000393DD0724@earthlink.net>

>  Can someone please provide me with or refer me to a basic list of
> things that I should avoid when making a stack with the intention of
> turning it into a Windows standalone?
Thanks a lot for those who responded about my Windows standalone 
question! :)
> Windows is a big, weird mess.  What was the specific problem?
Windows certainly is a 'weird mess'.  Anyway, the problem that I 
originally had I solved, (and I'll tell you how for those that might 
have the same problem in the future.)  But now it's giving me a new 
problem that I haven't seen before!
Here we go:
My stack involves a keydown handler where the user pushes a key and 
then an "ask" window appears.  From there, the user can interact with 
the CPU in a type of "talk-bot"/AI scenario.  (It's actually quite fun, 
if you want to check it out http//theultimateeverything.com/VI.html)
As I said, the Mac standalone works just fine, but the windows 
standalone had the problem that simply NOTHING would happen when you 
pushed the first key that is supposed to initiate the "ask" menu.  
(Yes, I did make sure to include "ask" windows when I was building the 
standalone settings.)
Then, I realized that my code was very long and it was all in the card 
script.  When I broke the code down into two sections and put one half 
in the script of some button and left the other half in the card 
script, this seemed to take care of the problem of the "ask" window not 
appearing.

However, now there's a new problem.  My ask window appears just fine.  
You can type things in just fine, but when you push "okay" a field is 
supposed to appear with the CPU's "response" to your statement.  This 
field does not appear, or at least there is no text in it.
Any ideas why this might be happening?  (By the way, I didn't make any 
changes to this field.  The field appears just fine on the mac 
standalone.)

Thanks a lot!
Andrew


From scott at tactilemedia.com  Sat Dec  4 17:39:23 2004
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 14:39:23 -0800
Subject: Opacity Percentage?
In-Reply-To: <530A5ABB-463C-11D9-AFFD-000393C10758@all-auctions.com>
Message-ID: <BDD77C9B.1B8EE%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Rick Harrison wrote:

> I wanted to create a bunch of different color filters
> and to be able to change the opacity by percentages.
> 
> I thought I'd use a basic rectangle and see if I could
> change the opacity so that the object beneath it
> shows through.

Create an image object, fill it with a color, and set its blendLevel to a
value from 0 to 100.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Development & Design
-----
E: scott at tactilemedia.com
W: http://www.tactilemedia.com


From alex at tweedly.net  Sat Dec  4 17:50:08 2004
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 22:50:08 +0000
Subject: CSV-parsing post?
In-Reply-To: <BDD6BC69.A385%kray@sonsothunder.com>
References: <41B099E5.9010701@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20041204224812.085802d8@mail.tweedly.net>

At 00:59 04/12/2004 -0600, Ken Ray wrote:

>Here's what I have from Alex Tweedly that uses split:


That's the overall approach to CSV parsing that Richard was referring to; 
the version you have included here is (I think) the end of the original 
thread (from July).

I later found a problem and posted a fix to that in October, at
   http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2004-October/045450.html

The problem is the

>    repeat for each element k in pData

because this does the elements in the INTERNAL order of the hashed array - 
we need them in numeric key order. (It worked OK on testing I did up to 
about 4000 lines of CSV file but failed (dramatically) after that.)  This 
had to be changed to

  repeat with tCounter = 1 to the number of lines in the keys of pData
      put pData[tCounter] into k

I don't remember whether I changed anything else or not - I'm fairly sure I 
didn't but I'd recommend taking the code from the October posting to 
replace the July version.

-- Alex.

From alex at tweedly.net  Sat Dec  4 18:04:05 2004
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 23:04:05 +0000
Subject: CSV spec and the failure that is MSDN
In-Reply-To: <41B0DDF1.4030605@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20041204152443.08529e08@mail.tweedly.net>

At 13:43 03/12/2004 -0800, Richard Gaskin wrote:

>Anyone know where I can find the official spec for the CSV formats used by 
>Micro$oft Access, Micro$oft Excel, and the the spec used by the rest of 
>the world?

As far as I know, there is no official spec. (at least, not publicly 
available). I looked pretty hard about 6 years ago and couldn't find 
anything official.

>All three differ from one another, and according to some Micro$oft has 
>changed how CSV is implemented in Excel at least once, maybe twice, so it 
>would be good to find historical specs as well.
>
>So far the best I can find is this page:
><http://www.lazy8.nu/doc/exportoptions.en.html#standardspecification>
>
>Nice, but doesn't cover the change, nor Access at all, and if from a third 
>party so I have no way to know how current or thorough it is.  At least 
>with Micro$oft-published specs I can point customers to the source if they 
>have a problem.

Perhaps useful to you would be http://python.shopinator.com/peps/pep-0305.html

This also doesn't specifically describe Access, but it does have a wider 
description of the known variations, as well as having a more 
"authoritative" appearance if you need to quote it customers.


-- Alex.

From kray at sonsothunder.com  Sat Dec  4 23:55:38 2004
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 22:55:38 -0600
Subject: on Openstack - on PreOpenStack - neither working
In-Reply-To: <a05210600bdd65eb96b5f@[141.165.213.123]>
Message-ID: <BDD7F0EA.A494%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 12/3/04 12:57 PM, "Steve Bonham" <sbonham at georgiasouthern.edu> wrote:

> Can anyone tell me what's going on?-- or rather why my handlers are
> being ignored?

It's possible that your stack isn't being fully purged when you close it and
reopen it. Check to see is "Purge window on close" and "Purge stack on
close" (Stack properties in the Inspector palette) are turned on. If not,
turn them on and save your stack. Then try again.

HTH, 

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From chipp at chipp.com  Sun Dec  5 00:51:08 2004
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 21:51:08 -0800
Subject: Opacity Percentage?
In-Reply-To: <530A5ABB-463C-11D9-AFFD-000393C10758@all-auctions.com>
References: <BDB7A404.E30E%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<p06100552bdb8cd50dd99@[66.93.39.98]>
	<530A5ABB-463C-11D9-AFFD-000393C10758@all-auctions.com>
Message-ID: <41B2A1CC.3030101@chipp.com>

If all you want to do is change the opacity, then just create a 10x10 
pixel color square image (.png should do), set it the size you wish, set 
the lockloc of it to true (so it won't resize back to 10x10) and then do 
like Dar suggests:

set the blendLevel of img "blue10x10.png" to 50 (sets it to 50% transparent)

-Chipp

Rick Harrison wrote:

> I wanted to create a bunch of different color filters
> and to be able to change the opacity by percentages.

From alex at tweedly.net  Sun Dec  5 10:24:49 2004
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 15:24:49 +0000
Subject: Rotate an image ...
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20041205150935.030a7a70@pop3.btinternet.com>


I have a PNG file which I want to rotate 90 degrees.

My script does
    import paint from file "d:/icons/myfile.png"
    rotate image "myfile.png" by 90
    export image "myfile.png" to file "d:/icons/myfilerotated.png"
which ALMOST works.

It gives me an image with, at first glance, the correct appearance - but 
the size is 100x100 so there is spurious white border. I had expected to 
get a new image that was 100x60.

Is there a way to rotate an image to get just the original image, but rotated ?
Or some other way to trim it back to original size (except rotated) ?

Thanks,
-- Alex.

From richmond at mail.maclaunch.com  Sun Dec  5 12:25:55 2004
From: richmond at mail.maclaunch.com (Mathewson)
Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 12:25:55 -0500
Subject: Le coeur de Monsieur X et le travail de Richmond
Message-ID: <web-325214516@mail.maclaunch.com>

Dear MC and RR afficionados!

  Monsieur X has very genrously offered to host the Draft
PDF of my MSc thesis and the ZIP file of the Prototype
software!

  I have asked him for links to these for my website: wait
a few days.

  I am not interested in making money out of these as such:
if you want to send some money somewhere, send it to
UNICEF!  IF, however, you are suddenly gripped with an urge
to offer me a work contract - I am ready and willing!

  However; I would like credit if any of my work is used or
quoted elsewhere.

  The prototype is just that (it is referred to in the
Draft as 'Prototype #2.2) and as such is FULL of hiccups -
I am entirely responsible for all the hiccups but will not
be held legally liable.  

  If you want to edit and/or muck around with the Prototype
you will find that the only way is to evoke the Message Box
(Command-M on a Mac) and then do /show menubar/ set the vis
of stack "revmenubar" to true/ set the vis of stack
"revtools" to true/ set the bacdrop to none.

  Pray for me while I drive from Scotland to Bulgaria in a
2.5 tonne truck with exactly 45 minutes truck-driving
experience!

  I believe in OpenSource, Collaboration and an
acknowledgement that it is perfectly respectable to feel
deeply passionate about software development and to be able
to express that passion using passionate language !!!

  I look forwards to reading LOTS of positive criticism of
both my Thesis and my Prototype Interface ('Wrapper') when
I have recovered from the spiritual (and other) excesses of
a Bulgarian Christmas.

I wish you (all !!!) the best, Richmond Mathewson
__________________________________________________
See Mathewson's software at:

http://members.maclaunch.com/richmond/default.html    and
_______________________________________
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For All Your Mac Gear
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From johnrule at rcsprogramming.com  Sun Dec  5 13:02:32 2004
From: johnrule at rcsprogramming.com (John Rule)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 10:02:32 -0800
Subject: Difference between file and URL
In-Reply-To: <20041204170107.9373993011D@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <200412051203718.SM02612@minipcxp>


I am discovering that open/write/close to a file can be a problem if the
original file size is larger than the new data size...it simply overwrites
data in the file, leaving the extra data in tact. Using 'put into URL' does
not do this (it overwrites the entire file). Is this correct behavior, or a
bug?

(2.5 engine)

JR 


From got at mindspring.com  Sun Dec  5 13:12:57 2004
From: got at mindspring.com (Gordon Tillman)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 12:12:57 -0600
Subject: DLL problem -> Good News !
In-Reply-To: <028383377603B34D9728A1E80EA9B43B0131BB@srv.Logram.local>
References: <028383377603B34D9728A1E80EA9B43B0131BB@srv.Logram.local>
Message-ID: <4A476215-46E9-11D9-86E0-000A95A7D4F8@mindspring.com>

Hi Roger!

On Dec 4, 2004, at 15:17, Roger Amar wrote:

> Hello Gordon, I'm back.
>
> My dll started to work by adding a .def file to export the getXtable 
> function.

Glad you got it working.  I think I used a def file for my project as 
well, although CW does have a mechanism that will automatically export 
the dll functions for you.

--gordon


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Sun Dec  5 13:47:24 2004
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 12:47:24 -0600
Subject: Rotate an image ...
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20041205150935.030a7a70@pop3.btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <BDD8B3DC.A4BB%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 12/5/04 9:24 AM, "Alex Tweedly" <alex at tweedly.net> wrote:

> Is there a way to rotate an image to get just the original image, but rotated
> ?

Try:

  set the angle of img "myfile.png" to 90


Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From kray at sonsothunder.com  Sun Dec  5 13:50:44 2004
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 12:50:44 -0600
Subject: Difference between file and URL
In-Reply-To: <200412051203718.SM02612@minipcxp>
Message-ID: <BDD8B4A4.A4BD%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 12/5/04 12:02 PM, "John Rule" <johnrule at rcsprogramming.com> wrote:

> 
> I am discovering that open/write/close to a file can be a problem if the
> original file size is larger than the new data size...it simply overwrites
> data in the file, leaving the extra data in tact. Using 'put into URL' does
> not do this (it overwrites the entire file). Is this correct behavior, or a
> bug?

John,

This is correct behavior because the default form of 'open file' is
'update', which does exactly what you're describing. 'open file' has four
forms in the syntax:

  open file <path> [for [text|binary] {update|read|write|append}]

If you were to use:

  open file <path> for text write

it would overwrite the data in the file as you're expecting (and as "put
into URL" does). See the Transcript Dictionary for more on this.


Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From soobaaaa9 at hotmail.com  Sun Dec  5 14:10:30 2004
From: soobaaaa9 at hotmail.com (m b)
Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 19:10:30 +0000
Subject: play sound file after movie finishes
Message-ID: <BAY22-F22F8275B368AB8C6139AA3E7B30@phx.gbl>

Hi, I'm new to programming and Revolution.  I'm a speech therapist and I 
want to create an app where someone can record there speech, then view a 
movie of me saying the same word.  I've been able to do this fine but the 
next part I can't figure out.  I then want the person to be able to click a 
"compare" button where the movie file plays again and their recorded speech 
file is played immediately after, basically concatenated on to the end of 
the movie.  How do I do this?

Thanks,
Mike



From harrison at all-auctions.com  Sun Dec  5 14:16:23 2004
From: harrison at all-auctions.com (Rick Harrison)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 14:16:23 -0500
Subject: Opacity Percentage?
In-Reply-To: <BDD77C9B.1B8EE%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <BDD77C9B.1B8EE%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <270A91FE-46F2-11D9-9CBD-000393C10758@all-auctions.com>


On Dec 4, 2004, at 5:39 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:
>>
>
> Create an image object, fill it with a color, and set its blendLevel 
> to a
> value from 0 to 100.
>
> Regards,
>
> Scott Rossi
>

The blendLevel setting works perfectly!

I hooked it up to a slider bar so I can watch the color changes
in real time.

Four lines of code did it all!  I still marvel at the incredible
power of Rev!

Many thanks to David, Dar, Scott, and Chipp for such quick
answers!

Rick Harrison




From dsc at swcp.com  Sun Dec  5 14:31:20 2004
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 12:31:20 -0700
Subject: Rotate an image ...
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20041205150935.030a7a70@pop3.btinternet.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20041205150935.030a7a70@pop3.btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <3DD95570-46F4-11D9-BCDD-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>


On Dec 5, 2004, at 8:24 AM, Alex Tweedly wrote:

> I have a PNG file which I want to rotate 90 degrees.
>
> My script does
>    import paint from file "d:/icons/myfile.png"
>    rotate image "myfile.png" by 90
>    export image "myfile.png" to file "d:/icons/myfilerotated.png"
> which ALMOST works.
>
> It gives me an image with, at first glance, the correct appearance - 
> but the size is 100x100 so there is spurious white border. I had 
> expected to get a new image that was 100x60.
>
> Is there a way to rotate an image to get just the original image, but 
> rotated ?
> Or some other way to trim it back to original size (except rotated) ?

Here are a couple of approaches (this may take some experimenting):
1.  Set the angle, "touch" the image to rebuild the PNG, then crop it, 
if need be.
2.  Get the imageData and alphaData, rotate that by script, put empty 
into the image object, set the new size and set the rotated imageData 
and alphaData back into the image.

If you need some specific header info in the PNG, you might need to 
script that.

Dar
****************************************
     Dar Scott Consulting
     http://www.swcp.com/dsc/
     Programming Services
****************************************


From rev at armbase.com  Sun Dec  5 15:18:19 2004
From: rev at armbase.com (Bob Hartley)
Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 20:18:19 +0000
Subject: Add fields from stack in data directory to standalone
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041205200821.0199ab78@mail.armbase.com>

Hi All.

I've not been rev'd up for a while now (new job kept me away). I was 
looking at the threads regarding saving database data in a file.
I'm just trying to get my head roung the grand plan before I do down the 
wrong path like the last time (see database tutorial thread)

Some suggested that you could have a data directory with stack in it and 
have the standalone reference this... Eureka I thought!!!

OK tall me if I'm right on this please.

Can I have a premade database eg bob1 and make a standalone. Then have a 
stack file eg baddresstemplate.rev and  have the data put in a .rev fiel.

Would it be something liek this (note: the syntax is made up)......
On mouse up (on a button called new entry)
Copy addresstemplate.rev to directory C:\Bobdata
  put the text of field "bobs address" into field1 of card1 of stack 
addresstemplate.rev
end mouse up

is this the way to do it?

Cheers
Bob


From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net  Sun Dec  5 14:23:06 2004
From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 14:23:06 -0500
Subject: play sound file after movie finishes
In-Reply-To: <BAY22-F22F8275B368AB8C6139AA3E7B30@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY22-F22F8275B368AB8C6139AA3E7B30@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <170F0B12-46F3-11D9-85BD-000A95DA60FA@adelphia.net>

Mike,

There are basically two ways to approach this. The first is to check if 
the movie is done using:

the movie
movie()
the movie
repeat until myMovie is not among the lines of the movies
See also: done constant, play command, sound function, 
templateVideoClip keyword
Description
Use the movie function to synchronize other actions with sounds.
Value:
The movie function returns a list of video clip names, one per line.
Comments:
If no video clip is playing, the movie function returns done.

The second is if you know the length of the movie and base it upon time 
then act upon that:

Specifies the length of a sound or movie.
get the duration of player
put (the duration of me/the timeScale of me) into totalSeconds
See also: currentTime property, endTime property, play command, 
playRate property, startTime property, timeScale property
Description
Use the duration property to find out how long a movie or sound takes 
to play.
Value:
The duration of a player is an integer.
This property is read-only and cannot be set.
Comments:
The duration of a player is the number of intervals in the movie or 
sound contained in the player. (The number of intervals per second is 
specified by the player's timeScale property.)

Look to these and the SEE ALSO section to find a few tools that might 
help you.

HTH

Tom

On Dec 5, 2004, at 2:10 PM, m b wrote:

> Hi, I'm new to programming and Revolution.  I'm a speech therapist and 
> I want to create an app where someone can record there speech, then 
> view a movie of me saying the same word.  I've been able to do this 
> fine but the next part I can't figure out.  I then want the person to 
> be able to click a "compare" button where the movie file plays again 
> and their recorded speech file is played immediately after, basically 
> concatenated on to the end of the movie.  How do I do this?
>
> Thanks,
> Mike
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
>

Thomas J. McGrath III
SCS
1000 Killarney Dr.
Pittsburgh, PA 15234
412-885-8541

From klaus at major-k.de  Sun Dec  5 16:05:18 2004
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 22:05:18 +0100
Subject: Add fields from stack in data directory to standalone
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20041205200821.0199ab78@mail.armbase.com>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041205200821.0199ab78@mail.armbase.com>
Message-ID: <5E57B83E-4701-11D9-91B9-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>

Hi Bob,

> Hi All.
>
> I've not been rev'd up for a while now (new job kept me away). I was 
> looking at the threads regarding saving database data in a file.
> I'm just trying to get my head roung the grand plan before I do down 
> the wrong path like the last time (see database tutorial thread)
>
> Some suggested that you could have a data directory with stack in it 
> and have the standalone reference this... Eureka I thought!!!
>
> OK tall me if I'm right on this please.
>
> Can I have a premade database eg bob1 and make a standalone.

Yes, sure.

> Then have a stack file eg baddresstemplate.rev and  have the data put 
> in a .rev fiel.

???

Maybe that would be overkill, simply because you could actually 
USE/OPEN/EDIT/SAVE
that "premade" database stack!!!

> Would it be something liek this (note: the syntax is made up)......
> On mouse up (on a button called new entry)
> Copy addresstemplate.rev to directory C:\Bobdata

Yes, see below...

>  put the text of field "bobs address" into field1 of card1 of stack 
> addresstemplate.rev

See above AND below :-)

> end mouse up
>
> is this the way to do it?

I suggest the following:

Prepare your complete stack/database "baddresstemplate.rev", test it 
and save it...

Then store it in a customproperty of your standalone!

...
answer file "Where is Bob?"
##select your "baddresstemplate.rev" stack here...
set the my_template_database of stack "xyz" to url("binfile:" & it)
## or "...of this stack..."
...


Then put this into the stackscript of your standalone:

on preopenstack
    if there is not a folder "C:/Bobdata" then
          create folder "C:Bobdata"
     end if
    if there is not a file "C:/Bobdata/baddresstemplate.rev" then
        put the my_template_database of stack "xyz" into 
url"binfile:C:/Bobdata/baddresstemplate.rev""
   end if
   go stack "C:/Bobdata/baddresstemplate.rev"
...
end preopenstack


Now on you can simply edit and SAVE that stack as you would do in the 
REV IDE...

Drop a line if you need more info/assistance...

Hope that helps.

> Cheers
> Bob

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de


From rev at armbase.com  Sun Dec  5 16:29:41 2004
From: rev at armbase.com (Bob Hartley)
Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 21:29:41 +0000
Subject: runrev 404 errors
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041205212828.019a5f78@mail.armbase.com>

I've been trawling the archive fo the list and all the url's to the runrev 
site return a 404.

Have the pages been deleted or moved elsewhere? :-)

Cheers
Bob


From rev at armbase.com  Sun Dec  5 16:41:44 2004
From: rev at armbase.com (Bob Hartley)
Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 21:41:44 +0000
Subject: Add fields from stack in data directory to standalone
In-Reply-To: <5E57B83E-4701-11D9-91B9-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041205200821.0199ab78@mail.armbase.com>
 <5E57B83E-4701-11D9-91B9-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041205213859.01aafb28@mail.armbase.com>

At 21:05 05/12/2004, you wrote:

Hi  Klaus



>I suggest the following:
>
>Prepare your complete stack/database "baddresstemplate.rev", test it and 
>save it...
>
>Then store it in a customproperty of your standalone!
>
>...
>answer file "Where is Bob?"
>##select your "baddresstemplate.rev" stack here...
>set the my_template_database of stack "xyz" to url("binfile:" & it)
>## or "...of this stack..."
>...
>_
Ohh I have been away. I'm totally lost regarding custom properties. I'll 
get something done and get back to you all in a week.

I need to get Dan's book out and have a gander.


Cheers
Bob; Sunny Scotland



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From chipp at chipp.com  Sun Dec  5 16:49:26 2004
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 13:49:26 -0800
Subject: Add fields from stack in data directory to standalone
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20041205200821.0199ab78@mail.armbase.com>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041205200821.0199ab78@mail.armbase.com>
Message-ID: <41B38266.2030308@chipp.com>

Hi Bob,

I would take a different approach than the one Klaus recommends. I would 
separate my data completely from the presentation and business logic of 
the application (the way you currently are thinking).

If the data was basically text based (no images, movies, sounds) then I 
may consider storing it in either a text or XML file (or customTagged 
file format I build myself). Of course, if there was a LOT of data, I 
might consider using SQLlite or another DBase.

If the data included images, movies and/or sounds, then I would consider 
storing it in a stack...one that the user would never see. I don't know 
how Rob Cozens Seredipity Library works, but I suspect this is how he 
stores his data -- you might want to take a look at it.

Then, I would keep all business logic and the presentation (GUI) stuff 
in a standalone which cannot be written to. I would move data in and out 
of the standalone stack.

I don't like mixing content and business logic/Interface, especially 
when you'll be adding/deleting from stacks. It's one of my pet peeves 
about Rev- and I suspect one of the major support issues with the IDE: 
the fact that it actually saves itself..including business logic and any 
bugs or bad logic which may have been introduced during the many hours 
of a users programming. I digress.

So, my basic mantra is to never 'save' stacks other than data stacks. 
And never mix interface and business logic with changing data stacks.

hope this doesn't end up even confusing you more;-)

best,

Chipp

Bob Hartley wrote:

> I've not been rev'd up for a while now (new job kept me away). I was 
> looking at the threads regarding saving database data in a file.
> I'm just trying to get my head roung the grand plan before I do down the 
> wrong path like the last time (see database tutorial thread)
> 
> Some suggested that you could have a data directory with stack in it and 
> have the standalone reference this... Eureka I thought!!!
> 
> OK tall me if I'm right on this please.
> 
> Can I have a premade database eg bob1 and make a standalone. Then have a 
> stack file eg baddresstemplate.rev and  have the data put in a .rev fiel.
> 
> Would it be something liek this (note: the syntax is made up)......
> On mouse up (on a button called new entry)
> Copy addresstemplate.rev to directory C:\Bobdata
>  put the text of field "bobs address" into field1 of card1 of stack 
> addresstemplate.rev
> end mouse up

From chipp at chipp.com  Sun Dec  5 16:54:09 2004
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 13:54:09 -0800
Subject: Difference between file and URL
In-Reply-To: <200412051203718.SM02612@minipcxp>
References: <200412051203718.SM02612@minipcxp>
Message-ID: <41B38381.7010907@chipp.com>

Hi John,

I agree with Ken.

Try this: (assuming your file is text and not binary)

--> PUT THE FILEPATH INTO A VAR
put "C:/testfile.txt" into tFilePath

--> THIS PUTS THE CONTENTS OF THE FILE INTO A VAR
put URL ("file:" & tFilePath) into tTextVariable

-->DO STUFF TO tTextVariable
put return & "another line" after tTextVariable

--> THIS WRITES THE VAR OUT TO THE ORIG FILE
put tTextVariable into URL ("file:" & tFilePath)

that should do what you want...

best,

Chipp

John Rule wrote:
> I am discovering that open/write/close to a file can be a problem if the
> original file size is larger than the new data size...it simply overwrites
> data in the file, leaving the extra data in tact. Using 'put into URL' does
> not do this (it overwrites the entire file). Is this correct behavior, or a
> bug?

From rev at armbase.com  Sun Dec  5 17:02:33 2004
From: rev at armbase.com (Bob Hartley)
Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 22:02:33 +0000
Subject: Add fields from stack in data directory to standalone
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041205215847.019e87f0@mail.armbase.com>

On 05/12/2004 21:49:26, chipp at chipp.com, How to use Revolution 
(use-revolution at lists.runrev.com) wrote:
 > Hi Bob,
 >
 > I would take a different approach than the one Klaus recommends. I would
 > separate my data completely from the presentation and business logic of
 > the application (the way you currently are thinking).
 >
 > If the data was basically text based (no images, movies, sounds) then I
 > may consider storing it in either a text or XML file (or customTagged
 > file format I build myself). Of course, if there was a LOT of data, I
 > might consider using SQLlite or another DBase.

Hi Chip.

OK I think I should concentrate on the xml format since that is what I 
require to read and write to in the finished app.

 >
 > If the data included images, movies and/or sounds, then I would consider
 > storing it in a stack...one that the user would never see. I don't know
 > how Rob Cozens Seredipity Library works, but I suspect this is how he
 > stores his data -- you might want to take a look at it.

I looked for that but only got blank pages when I wnet to his site 
www.onenlog.com (or something liek that)
 >
 > Then, I would keep all business logic and the presentation (GUI) stuff
 > in a standalone which cannot be written to. I would move data in and out
 > of the standalone stack.

OK I think this might be the route although Klaus's method may be better 
for app2

Why I need xml is this 
http://www.armbase.com/software_files/software_data/prodinfo_r4_c1.gif

regards
Bob 


From bvlahos at mac.com  Sun Dec  5 17:30:23 2004
From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 14:30:23 -0800
Subject: Add fields from stack in data directory to standalone
In-Reply-To: <41B38266.2030308@chipp.com>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041205200821.0199ab78@mail.armbase.com>
	<41B38266.2030308@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <412116EC-470D-11D9-8FE5-003065EC5590@mac.com>

I have an application which would fit this model but the data that is 
stored will need to be protected. How would I go about encrypting the 
data file either in a stack or as a file?

Bill Vlahos

On Dec 5, 2004, at 1:49 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:

> Then, I would keep all business logic and the presentation (GUI) stuff 
> in a standalone which cannot be written to. I would move data in and 
> out of the standalone stack.
>
> I don't like mixing content and business logic/Interface, especially 
> when you'll be adding/deleting from stacks. It's one of my pet peeves 
> about Rev- and I suspect one of the major support issues with the IDE: 
> the fact that it actually saves itself..including business logic and 
> any bugs or bad logic which may have been introduced during the many 
> hours of a users programming. I digress.
>
> So, my basic mantra is to never 'save' stacks other than data stacks. 
> And never mix interface and business logic with changing data stacks.


From chipp at chipp.com  Sun Dec  5 17:46:16 2004
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 14:46:16 -0800
Subject: Add fields from stack in data directory to standalone
In-Reply-To: <412116EC-470D-11D9-8FE5-003065EC5590@mac.com>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041205200821.0199ab78@mail.armbase.com>
	<41B38266.2030308@chipp.com> <412116EC-470D-11D9-8FE5-003065EC5590@mac.com>
Message-ID: <41B38FB8.8010305@chipp.com>

Keep the data in a stack and set the password of the stack.

Bill Vlahos wrote:
> I have an application which would fit this model but the data that is 
> stored will need to be protected. How would I go about encrypting the 
> data file either in a stack or as a file?

From Roger at logram.com  Sun Dec  5 18:01:23 2004
From: Roger at logram.com (Roger Amar)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 00:01:23 +0100
Subject: DLL problem -> Good News !
Message-ID: <028383377603B34D9728A1E80EA9B43B0131BE@srv.Logram.local>

Hi Gordon,

I did not note that an export mechanism was intrinsic to CodeWarrior.
Only the def file saved me from becoming crazy !

Roger;

-----Message d'origine-----
De : use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] De la part de Gordon Tillman
Envoy? : dimanche 5 d?cembre 2004 19:13
? : How to use Revolution
Objet : Re: DLL problem -> Good News !

Hi Roger!

On Dec 4, 2004, at 15:17, Roger Amar wrote:

> Hello Gordon, I'm back.
>
> My dll started to work by adding a .def file to export the getXtable 
> function.

Glad you got it working.  I think I used a def file for my project as well, although CW does have a mechanism that will automatically export the dll functions for you.

--gordon

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From bvlahos at mac.com  Sun Dec  5 18:04:25 2004
From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 15:04:25 -0800
Subject: Add fields from stack in data directory to standalone
In-Reply-To: <41B38FB8.8010305@chipp.com>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041205200821.0199ab78@mail.armbase.com>
	<41B38266.2030308@chipp.com> <412116EC-470D-11D9-8FE5-003065EC5590@mac.com>
	<41B38FB8.8010305@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <02431591-4712-11D9-9C6B-003065EC5590@mac.com>

My understanding is that just setting the password is not robust enough 
protection.

Bill

On Dec 5, 2004, at 2:46 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:

> Keep the data in a stack and set the password of the stack.
>
> Bill Vlahos wrote:
>> I have an application which would fit this model but the data that is 
>> stored will need to be protected. How would I go about encrypting the 
>> data file either in a stack or as a file?
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From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Sun Dec  5 18:08:51 2004
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 23:08:51 +0000
Subject: CSV spec and the failure that is MSDN
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20041204152443.08529e08@mail.tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <BDD94583.25560%benr_mc@cogapp.com>

At 13:43 03/12/2004 -0800, Richard Gaskin wrote:

>Anyone know where I can find the official spec for the CSV formats used by
>Micro$oft Access, Micro$oft Excel, and the the spec used by the rest of
>the world?

This isn't exactly an answer to the question you asked (sorry) - but at
least for Access (and possibly Excel) could you bypass CSV and use ODBC to
retrieve the data more directly?  This might be more certain, and more
convenient for your users.
 
  Ben Rubinstein               |  Email: benr_mc at cogapp.com
  Cognitive Applications Ltd   |  Phone: +44 (0)1273-821600
  http://www.cogapp.com        |  Fax  : +44 (0)1273-728866



From troy at rpsystems.net  Sun Dec  5 18:12:03 2004
From: troy at rpsystems.net (Troy Rollins)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 18:12:03 -0500
Subject: Add fields from stack in data directory to standalone
In-Reply-To: <02431591-4712-11D9-9C6B-003065EC5590@mac.com>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041205200821.0199ab78@mail.armbase.com>
	<41B38266.2030308@chipp.com> <412116EC-470D-11D9-8FE5-003065EC5590@mac.com>
	<41B38FB8.8010305@chipp.com> <02431591-4712-11D9-9C6B-003065EC5590@mac.com>
Message-ID: <13409F0E-4713-11D9-814C-000A95A09CF8@rpsystems.net>


On Dec 5, 2004, at 6:04 PM, Bill Vlahos wrote:

> My understanding is that just setting the password is not robust 
> enough protection.

Not even close.

It will (mostly) prevent them from viewing its scripts tho'. For 
whatever thats worth.
--
Troy
RPSystems, Ltd.
http://www.rpsystems.net


From rjb at rz.uni-potsdam.de  Sun Dec  5 18:19:39 2004
From: rjb at rz.uni-potsdam.de (Robert Brenstein)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 00:19:39 +0100
Subject: Add fields from stack in data directory to standalone
In-Reply-To: <41B38FB8.8010305@chipp.com>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041205200821.0199ab78@mail.armbase.com>
 <41B38266.2030308@chipp.com>
 <412116EC-470D-11D9-8FE5-003065EC5590@mac.com>
 <41B38FB8.8010305@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <a0611041bbdd9476f06a3@[141.89.100.235]>

>Keep the data in a stack and set the password of the stack.
>
>Bill Vlahos wrote:
>>I have an application which would fit this model but the data that 
>>is stored will need to be protected. How would I go about 
>>encrypting the data file either in a stack or as a file?

Chipp, how is setting a password going to protect data? Unless it is 
entered as scripts it will remain unprotected. Or did I miss some 
changes and the custom properties can now be password protected?

Robert

From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Sun Dec  5 18:41:51 2004
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 23:41:51 +0000
Subject: Rotate an image ...
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20041205150935.030a7a70@pop3.btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <BDD94D3F.2556A%benr_mc@cogapp.com>

on 5/12/04 3:24 pm, Alex Tweedly wrote

> Is there a way to rotate an image to get just the original image, but rotated
> ?


Probably several - this is Rev after all! - but here's a code snippet from
something that works for me:

    put the rect of image "KeyImg" into tOldRect
    rotate image "KeyImg" by 270
    put the rect of image "KeyImg" into tNewRect
    if tOldRect <> tNewRect then -- non square, we need to crop
      put tNewRect into tLastRect
      if (item 1 of tOldRect) = (item 1 of tNewRect) then -- assume Portrait
        add (item 2 of tOldRect) - (item 2 of tNewRect) \
            to item 1 of tLastRect
        subtract (item 4 of tNewRect) - (item 4 of tOldRect) \
            from item 3 of tLastRect
      else -- assume Landscape
        add (item 1 of tOldRect) - (item 1 of tNewRect) \
            to item 2 of tLastRect
        subtract (item 3 of tNewRect) - (item 3 of tOldRect) \
            from item 4 of tLastRect
      end if
      crop image "KeyImg" to tLastRect
    end if

As I say - it works for me.  However, for this particular application
incoming images were always the same rectangle, so I won't swear this code
isn't making a dodgy assumption somewhere.

HTH,
 
  Ben Rubinstein               |  Email: benr_mc at cogapp.com
  Cognitive Applications Ltd   |  Phone: +44 (0)1273-821600
  http://www.cogapp.com        |  Fax  : +44 (0)1273-728866

 


From alex at tweedly.net  Sun Dec  5 20:26:20 2004
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 01:26:20 +0000
Subject: Rotate an image ...
In-Reply-To: <BDD8B3DC.A4BB%kray@sonsothunder.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20041205150935.030a7a70@pop3.btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20041206012132.08525870@mail.tweedly.net>

At 12:47 05/12/2004 -0600, Ken Ray wrote:

>On 12/5/04 9:24 AM, "Alex Tweedly" <alex at tweedly.net> wrote:
>
> > Is there a way to rotate an image to get just the original image, but 
> rotated
> > ?
>
>Try:
>
>   set the angle of img "myfile.png" to 90

Thank you Ken (and others). I think there would be cases where the more 
complex methods are needed - but this is enough for my simple example.

The annoying thing is I had been looking at "set angle" but rejected it 
because the docs said, quite clearly,

>  Unlike the rotate command, the angle property affects only the screen 
> display of the image, not the actual picture data in it.

and therefore I assumed that set angle wouldn't affect the data when I 
exported it.

Wrong again !   I should know by now that Rev does "the right thing" unless 
proven otherwise.

Thanks again !
-- Alex.

From gwalias-rev at yahoo.com  Sun Dec  5 21:06:18 2004
From: gwalias-rev at yahoo.com (Gordon)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 18:06:18 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Image change on mouseover
Message-ID: <20041206020618.18401.qmail@web51110.mail.yahoo.com>

Dear Revolutionaries

How do I store 2 images so that I can switch between
them using the mouseEnter and mouseLeave commands on
an image control, making the image change when I
mouseover it? 

I believe there is a way to store an image in a custom
property - how does one  do this and how would I refer
to it to reset the image?

Best

Gordon


From bvlahos at mac.com  Sun Dec  5 21:27:29 2004
From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 18:27:29 -0800
Subject: Add fields from stack in data directory to standalone
In-Reply-To: <a0611041bbdd9476f06a3@[141.89.100.235]>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041205200821.0199ab78@mail.armbase.com>
	<41B38266.2030308@chipp.com> <412116EC-470D-11D9-8FE5-003065EC5590@mac.com>
	<41B38FB8.8010305@chipp.com> <a0611041bbdd9476f06a3@[141.89.100.235]>
Message-ID: <6041EED7-472E-11D9-BFE4-0003936A2C42@mac.com>

My stack stores its data in custom properties so it should be protected 
the same way that the scripts are. My understanding is that text in 
fields is not protected by the password but text in custom properties 
is.

I'm wondering the best way to provide strong encryption of the data.

Bill
On Dec 5, 2004, at 3:19 PM, Robert Brenstein wrote:

>> Keep the data in a stack and set the password of the stack.
>>
>> Bill Vlahos wrote:
>>> I have an application which would fit this model but the data that 
>>> is stored will need to be protected. How would I go about encrypting 
>>> the data file either in a stack or as a file?
>
> Chipp, how is setting a password going to protect data? Unless it is 
> entered as scripts it will remain unprotected. Or did I miss some 
> changes and the custom properties can now be password protected?
>
> Robert
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution


From bvlahos at mac.com  Sun Dec  5 21:29:48 2004
From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 18:29:48 -0800
Subject: Image change on mouseover
In-Reply-To: <20041206020618.18401.qmail@web51110.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20041206020618.18401.qmail@web51110.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <B3235A38-472E-11D9-BFE4-0003936A2C42@mac.com>

No need to store an image as a custom property. Simply add the two 
images to the stack and set them either with mouseEnter/Leave or 
setting the images and them arming the button (assuming you have set 
the images in a button).

Bill Vlahos

On Dec 5, 2004, at 6:06 PM, Gordon wrote:

> Dear Revolutionaries
>
> How do I store 2 images so that I can switch between
> them using the mouseEnter and mouseLeave commands on
> an image control, making the image change when I
> mouseover it?
>
> I believe there is a way to store an image in a custom
> property - how does one  do this and how would I refer
> to it to reset the image?
>
> Best
>
> Gordon
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution


From sarahr at genesearch.com.au  Sun Dec  5 21:36:11 2004
From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 12:36:11 +1000
Subject: Serial comm differences between PC & Mac?
In-Reply-To: <F46F53B2-454F-11D9-BE4C-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
References: <36029.127.0.0.1.1102091056.squirrel@127.0.0.1>
	<F46F53B2-454F-11D9-BE4C-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <97538D8C-472F-11D9-AA52-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au>

> IIRC, it looks like 3 bugs:
>
> Char read commands come up short on XP for reading 256 chars.
> Multi-char read commands throw away data after LF on OS X.
> Codes 10, 11 and 12 are garbled in reading uint1 on OS X.
> Multi-uint1 read commands sometimes come up short on OS X based on 
> garbage at end (?).
> uint1 read commands input garbage if the data is not there.
>
>
>> Fortunately, since the phone system only uses a certain set of chars, 
>> I
>> can filter out all of the junk, & make this work for my needs. BTW, 
>> I'm
>> using both the keyspan usa-28 & usa-28x on OSX, & com1 on the PC. The
>> results are the same with either keyspan adapter.
>
> It looks like you might get garbage if you try to read a uint1 and 
> none is there.  The time might come when one of the garbage bytes 
> looks like a valid letter.
>
> It might be that my short data for 256 char reads does not apply to 
> single char reads.
>
> There are several reported bugs for serial on OS X; you will have to 
> work around those.
>
> Windows serial I/O is blocking (up to 2 seconds) and OS X serial I/O 
> is not (except for a weird OS X feature in opening the modem where a 3 
> second delay is forced).
>
> I think someone (Sarah?) has reported better luck with usa-28 than 
> with usa-19.
>
> I suspect that Rev is not setting some terminal parameters on ports, 
> leaving them as they are, on OS X.
>
I use the Keyspan USA28X without any problems, but I have never tried 
any other Keyspans. My current favourite adapter is a very simple & 
cheap device called an EasySync USB to RS232 converter. I only use Mac 
OS X but it comes with drivers for Windows as well.

With regard to the original poster's serial problems, do you get the 
same results on the PC using the Keyspan and plugging the serial 
connector in directly?

Cheers,
Sarah


From troy at rpsystems.net  Sun Dec  5 21:42:58 2004
From: troy at rpsystems.net (Troy Rollins)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 21:42:58 -0500
Subject: Add fields from stack in data directory to standalone
In-Reply-To: <6041EED7-472E-11D9-BFE4-0003936A2C42@mac.com>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041205200821.0199ab78@mail.armbase.com>
	<41B38266.2030308@chipp.com> <412116EC-470D-11D9-8FE5-003065EC5590@mac.com>
	<41B38FB8.8010305@chipp.com> <a0611041bbdd9476f06a3@[141.89.100.235]>
	<6041EED7-472E-11D9-BFE4-0003936A2C42@mac.com>
Message-ID: <89F2D22F-4730-11D9-8CA0-000A95A09CF8@rpsystems.net>


On Dec 5, 2004, at 9:27 PM, Bill Vlahos wrote:

> My stack stores its data in custom properties so it should be 
> protected the same way that the scripts are. My understanding is that 
> text in fields is not protected by the password but text in custom 
> properties is.

Not true. Custom properties are wide-open, even on password protected 
stacks. They have no protection whatsoever. If you don't believe me, 
send me one of your stacks.  ;-)

--
Troy
RPSystems, Ltd.
http://www.rpsystems.net


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sun Dec  5 21:54:30 2004
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 18:54:30 -0800
Subject: Add fields from stack in data directory to standalone
In-Reply-To: <89F2D22F-4730-11D9-8CA0-000A95A09CF8@rpsystems.net>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041205200821.0199ab78@mail.armbase.com>
	<41B38266.2030308@chipp.com> <412116EC-470D-11D9-8FE5-003065EC5590@mac.com>
	<41B38FB8.8010305@chipp.com> <a0611041bbdd9476f06a3@[141.89.100.235]>
	<6041EED7-472E-11D9-BFE4-0003936A2C42@mac.com>
	<89F2D22F-4730-11D9-8CA0-000A95A09CF8@rpsystems.net>
Message-ID: <41B3C9E6.5030403@fourthworld.com>

Troy Rollins wrote:
> 
> On Dec 5, 2004, at 9:27 PM, Bill Vlahos wrote:
> 
>> My stack stores its data in custom properties so it should be 
>> protected the same way that the scripts are. My understanding is that 
>> text in fields is not protected by the password but text in custom 
>> properties is.
> 
> 
> Not true. Custom properties are wide-open, even on password protected 
> stacks.

You're both right: custom props are encrypted when saved to disk, so 
viewing the saved file with a binary editor will yield nothing readable.

However, in order for scripts to be able to use custom props they are 
automatically decrypted at runtime, and can be viewed and edited without 
the password in the IDE.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com

From chipp at chipp.com  Sun Dec  5 22:08:16 2004
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 19:08:16 -0800
Subject: Image change on mouseover
In-Reply-To: <20041206020618.18401.qmail@web51110.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20041206020618.18401.qmail@web51110.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <41B3CD20.5030006@chipp.com>

Gordon,

If what you're trying to do is create a region which changes on

mouseOver
mouseDown
mouseLeave
mouseUp

check out "buttons with images" at
http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/RunRev/Tutorials.htm

best,

Chipp

Gordon wrote:

> How do I store 2 images so that I can switch between
> them using the mouseEnter and mouseLeave commands on
> an image control, making the image change when I
> mouseover it? 

From katir at hindu.org  Sun Dec  5 22:40:44 2004
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 17:40:44 -1000
Subject: Protecting Log In Data
Message-ID: <9C47FA64-4738-11D9-9315-000A959D0AC6@hindu.org>

I distribute stacks that allow volunteers access to specific files on 
our servers...
I want to protect the log in info from a text reader which might simply 
open the stack file...
I'm not looking for NASA high clearance security here... (FTP user 
names and passwords are viewable by packet sniffers anyway.)

Just protection from the curious who might get my stack and think "gee 
I wonder where the log in info is..."

( of course, if he is savvy he could just open a traffic watcher and 
run the stack and then save the transcript from his traffic watcher and 
find the user and log in info anyway.. so maybe there is a better 
way...

tell me if I have this right..

1. create a main stack with all the application tool box..
2. create a substack, enter the USER and PASS and domain etc stuff in a 
custom prop(s) in the substack
3. password protect the substack.
4. Now, when the main stack wants to do an upload or download, I just 
have handlers in the mainstack refer to the custom properties in  the 
substack.

Right? And this
a) means no one can read the custom props in the substack without the 
password
b) I have to be careful not to try to view the custom props in the 
application browser if the password has been set.

I'm sure someone has invented this wheel already...



Thanks
Sivakatirswami



From chipp at chipp.com  Sun Dec  5 23:09:46 2004
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 22:09:46 -0600
Subject: Protecting Log In Data
In-Reply-To: <9C47FA64-4738-11D9-9315-000A959D0AC6@hindu.org>
References: <9C47FA64-4738-11D9-9315-000A959D0AC6@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <41B3DB8A.7040505@chipp.com>

You might try out Richard Gaskins PGP routines. There's a tutorial for 
them I wrote at:
http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/RunRev/Tutorials.htm

I thought of 'altBranding' the library, but Scott Rossi would just have 
too much fun with that ;-)

best,

Chipp


Sivakatirswami wrote:

> I distribute stacks that allow volunteers access to specific files on 
> our servers...
> I want to protect the log in info from a text reader which might simply 
> open the stack file...
> I'm not looking for NASA high clearance security here... (FTP user names 
> and passwords are viewable by packet sniffers anyway.)

From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Dec  6 00:03:51 2004
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 21:03:51 -0800
Subject: Protecting Log In Data
In-Reply-To: <41B3DB8A.7040505@chipp.com>
References: <9C47FA64-4738-11D9-9315-000A959D0AC6@hindu.org>
	<41B3DB8A.7040505@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <41B3E837.10904@fourthworld.com>

Chipp Walters wrote:
> You might try out Richard Gaskins PGP routines. There's a tutorial for 
> them I wrote at:
> http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/RunRev/Tutorials.htm

And the original article which describes how it works, with the complete 
code listing:
<http://www.revjournal.com/comments.php?id=P65_0_1_0>


-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com

From sims at ezpzapps.com  Mon Dec  6 00:26:45 2004
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (sims)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 06:26:45 +0100
Subject: Rotate an image ...
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20041206012132.08525870@mail.tweedly.net>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20041205150935.030a7a70@pop3.btinternet.com>
 <5.1.0.14.0.20041206012132.08525870@mail.tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <p06110404bdd99c9d6979@[10.0.1.2]>

>
>>On 12/5/04 9:24 AM, "Alex Tweedly" <alex at tweedly.net> wrote:
>>
>>>  Is there a way to rotate an image to get just the original image, 
>>>but rotated
>>>  ?
>>
>>Try:
>>
>>   set the angle of img "myfile.png" to 90
>
>Thank you Ken (and others). I think there would be cases where the 
>more complex methods are needed - but this is enough for my simple 
>example.
>
>The annoying thing is I had been looking at "set angle" but rejected 
>it because the docs said, quite clearly,
>
>>  Unlike the rotate command, the angle property affects only the 
>>screen display of the image, not the actual picture data in it.
>
>and therefore I assumed that set angle wouldn't affect the data when 
>I exported it.
>
>Wrong again !   I should know by now that Rev does "the right thing" 
>unless proven otherwise.

Also...player objects can display TIFF files in addition to JPEGS 
(and others) whereas image
objects cannot display TIFFs (as far as I know). With Trevor's most 
*excellent* QT external
you can now rotate a player, iow rotate images with the player object.

sims
EuroRevCon 2006!


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Mon Dec  6 00:56:32 2004
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 23:56:32 -0600
Subject: Image change on mouseover
In-Reply-To: <20041206020618.18401.qmail@web51110.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BDD950B0.A56A%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 12/5/04 8:06 PM, "Gordon" <gwalias-rev at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Dear Revolutionaries
> 
> How do I store 2 images so that I can switch between
> them using the mouseEnter and mouseLeave commands on
> an image control, making the image change when I
> mouseover it? 

Does it have to be an image control? It would be so much easier to use a
button object (you can make it totally transparent so it *looks* just like
an image). Then you import your two images, note the IDs, and then set the
"autoArm" of the button to true, set the icon of the button to its "normal"
state, and set the "armedIcon" of the button to its rollover state.

HTH,


Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From alw918 at earthlink.net  Mon Dec  6 03:16:16 2004
From: alw918 at earthlink.net (Andrew)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 00:16:16 -0800
Subject: Windows standalone problems
In-Reply-To: <20041205233205.21FDA93006E@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <19ABCA94-475F-11D9-A2F7-000393DD0724@earthlink.net>

So, does anyone have want to take a guess why my Windows standalone 
won't show a card field?
Thanks
A


From signe.sanne at roman.uib.no  Mon Dec  6 03:32:24 2004
From: signe.sanne at roman.uib.no (Signe Marie Sanne)
Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 09:32:24 +0100
Subject: RevOnLine
Message-ID: <5.2.0.8.2.20041206092259.00c1e718@alf.uib.no>

Hello again,

David Squance just made me aware of the fact that I had forgotten to 
mention my user name: sms (which is my initials), under which you'll find 
the two small stacks. Another way to access them is Browse by category... 
and you'll find them under Programming and Utilities. Actually, I did not 
understand the difference between these two and have managed to put one 
under each. (SaveStackInStack is under Programming.)

Regards
Signe Marie Sanne


1. amanuensis Signe Marie Sanne      e-mail: signe.sanne at roman.uib.no
Romansk Institutt                            tel:  +47 55 58 21 27
?isteins gt. 1
5007 Bergen             http://www.hf.uib.no/hfolk/mlab/Info/sms.html
Norway


From signe.sanne at roman.uib.no  Mon Dec  6 04:39:03 2004
From: signe.sanne at roman.uib.no (Signe Marie Sanne)
Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 10:39:03 +0100
Subject: Add fields from stack in data directory to standalone
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20041205213859.01aafb28@mail.armbase.com>
References: <5E57B83E-4701-11D9-91B9-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>
 <6.1.2.0.0.20041205200821.0199ab78@mail.armbase.com>
 <5E57B83E-4701-11D9-91B9-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.8.2.20041206103659.00c5e0e0@alf.uib.no>

At 21:41 05.12.2004 +0000, you wrote:
>At 21:05 05/12/2004, you wrote:
>
>Hi  Klaus
>
>
>
>>I suggest the following:
>>
>>Prepare your complete stack/database "baddresstemplate.rev", test it and 
>>save it...
>>
>>Then store it in a customproperty of your standalone!
>>
>>...
>>answer file "Where is Bob?"
>>##select your "baddresstemplate.rev" stack here...
>>set the my_template_database of stack "xyz" to url("binfile:" & it)
>>## or "...of this stack..."
>>...
>>_
>Ohh I have been away. I'm totally lost regarding custom properties. I'll 
>get something done and get back to you all in a week.
>
>I need to get Dan's book out and have a gander.

My recent uploading to RevOnLine (SaveStackInStack) shows how to save a 
stack in various ways as a custom property. (See under Username: sms).


1. amanuensis Signe Marie Sanne      e-mail: signe.sanne at roman.uib.no
Romansk Institutt                            tel:  +47 55 58 21 27
?isteins gt. 1
5007 Bergen             http://www.hf.uib.no/hfolk/mlab/Info/sms.html
Norway


From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Mon Dec  6 07:36:39 2004
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 04:36:39 -0800 (PST)
Subject: select non-adjacent lines in a field?
In-Reply-To: <20041203060847.4993.qmail@web61107.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20041206123639.26124.qmail@web60502.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Erik Hansen <erikhans08 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> this has come up.
> is there a good keyword 
> for archive searching?
> 

Let's see how I'd try and track this down:

I'll select a field, open the Inspector palette and go
to the 'Basic' panel -- in the 'List behaviour'
section I'd notice the checkboxes "Multi-lines",
"Non-contiguous" and "Click to toggle".
If I have my preferences set to use "Description of
option" as my property labels, then hovering over
these checkboxes will tell me the Transcript name of
these properties.

Next I'll check out the documentation

1) open the Rev documentation
2) go to the 'Objects' section
3) expand 'Objects'
4) expand 'Field'
5) expand 'Properties'

At this point, I'd notice that the field has a
property called 'multipleLines', so I click that.

Reading the documentation, I see that it's not quite
what I want, so on to "noncontiguousHilites" ; and lo
and behold, that's what I want.

Now that I know the field property that governs this
is called "noncontiguousHilites" I'd search the
archives for that string.

Hope this helped,

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From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Mon Dec  6 07:41:22 2004
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 04:41:22 -0800 (PST)
Subject: trigger in edit cell
In-Reply-To: <9942432E-44A9-11D9-933E-0030654C1E62@realtorsgroup.us>
Message-ID: <20041206124122.54940.qmail@web60501.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Hershel Fisch <hershrev at realtorsgroup.us> wrote:
> Hi all
> How can trigger a script when a fld "table edit
> cell" going from cell 
> to cell ?
> I tried the "tabKey" DW rawKey DW . what should I
> try ?
> Thanks, Hershel
> 

Hi Hershel,

If you've turned on the 'table behavior' in the
inspector palette, then Revolution will trap the
relevant events: tabKey, arrowKey, returnInField,
enterInField ; and will do its stuff to select the
correct cell.

Of course, if you want to use this behavior _and_
receive a message so that you can handle certain
aspects yourself, I suggest you create an enhancement
request by means of bugzilla.

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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Dec  6 08:28:03 2004
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 05:28:03 -0800
Subject: Windows standalone problems
In-Reply-To: <19ABCA94-475F-11D9-A2F7-000393DD0724@earthlink.net>
References: <19ABCA94-475F-11D9-A2F7-000393DD0724@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <41B45E63.8030106@fourthworld.com>

Andrew wrote:
> So, does anyone have want to take a guess why my Windows standalone 
> won't show a card field?

Not possible without a little more background.  For example, do you have 
any Win standalones in which card fields appear?  If so, the answer lies 
in the differences between the two -- isolate those differences and you 
will find your answer.

If you've checked your scripts, the second step would be to make a test 
build without Rev's library scripts.  If the field appears without 
those, checking the Profile Manager settings may be a good starting point.

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From fde101 at fjrhome.net  Mon Dec  6 08:47:09 2004
From: fde101 at fjrhome.net (Frank D. Engel, Jr.)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 08:47:09 -0500
Subject: Cross platform search database
In-Reply-To: <20041204145045.94BB19300C2@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20041204145045.94BB19300C2@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <5305D6A3-478D-11D9-B0DA-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>

The easiest way to set up all of the searching, etc. for a large 
database would be to store all of the data in an SQL database and let 
the database server worry about indexing, searching, and sorting 
results; however, this would require there to be an SQL database server 
running on the machine in order to query the results.  Not a 
particularly nice thing for running such a program from a CD.

However, there is also the possibility of an *embedded* database 
server, which would place a miniature database server into your 
application.  I have personally not tried using one of these, but it 
may be worthwhile for you to research one.  Rev supports one called 
"Valentina" (spl?), the advantage of this approach is that you get the 
search and sort capabilities of a database server, the database engine 
handles the disk-to-RAM issues for you, and there is still nothing for 
the end-users to install: the database server would run inside your 
created standalone application with no network access or anything to 
worry about, and all of the data gets stored in a file on your CD.  It 
would be completely transparent for your end users, and simplify your 
life considerably.

On Dec 4, 2004, at 9:59 AM, MisterX wrote:

>
> Hi Jesse!
>
>> I would like to build a cross platform app that would be
>> shipped on a CD-ROM that contains a whole collection of html files.
>
> We'll see about that! I'll give you another approach list that could
> maybe fit...
>
>> Previously, we had to depend on a Java applet, but that had
>> all sorts of problems with XP and also OS X and works on
>> certain browsers only.
>> I would like to abandon that and use Revolution as the engine
>> if possible.
>
> Very good choice! You'll see that you can go beyond HTML in no time
> without much trouble and better results just like in the old days!
>
>> My question is this: What would be the best approach to building this?
>
> Since HyperCard, the stack is the dataholder and the application.
> This is one approach. The other which is the application accessing
> the data stored externally is the lighter approach. Memory isn't
> usually a problem but oversized stacks can be.
>
> So you can easily create a GUI to browse through the folders and
> load the data from text files. I find it easier to grab data off
> stack files (which can be encrypted and loaded hidden!) It all
> depends on the data...
>
>> I did have some preliminary code to recursively decend down a
>> series of folders and then the general idea would be to load
>> up the text into cards and allow text searching on those cards?
>
> Well, if the stack has the text files imported, you wont need to
> reload them after. A stack is also very easy to search...
>
>> My understanding from some of the previous discussions is
>> that the entire stack is loaded into memory and that would
>> mean that the more content there is, the more memory would be
>> required for that.
>
> The optimal size depends on the granularity of your data.
>
> Lots of records or huge records or both?
> Lots of searching "what?"
>
> You can always index stack content and distribute it like a linked
> list or double linked list record database (you keep a link to a
> card in a stack and that's a link! This is really fast for multi
> leveled records or hierarchical databases.
>
> Imagine you have a dictionary or encyclopedia.
> You can't put it all in one stack!
>
> So you can break it down into subjects or alphabetical groupings
> or usage frequency or by geographical / ethimological source!
>
>> Are there any other approaches to this? Can a stack keep most
>> of its data on the hard disk and still be searchable for its text?
>
> Yes. Yes! But I would keep images separated... If there's over a
> hundred images, keep them off-stack with the relative path to the
> image. You can ammend the real path at runtime or preload the images
> into the stack you display - choices are infinite...
>
>> I don't have a problem with keeping the redundant text inside
>> Revolution stacks. My goal in the long term is to do away
>> with the html files totally (lots of legacy files) and to
>> have everything presented from within Revolution itself.
>
> no prob. RunRev apps run locally or off the pc without installers.
> I would assume the same from Macs or Linux but not sure as I've
> not tried them yet.
>
>> The goal is to allow text searching, which will show up a
>> bunch of hits in a window and a scrolling list and then allow
>> the user to click on one of those choices and then launch
>> back into the browser window to see the actual file.
>
>> I would appreciate it if there are any pointers or
>> suggestions as to how to best go about doing this.
>
> There's at least a million stacks out there with examples of
> databases. Lots of links to show... But I can proudly say you
> can find examples for all you want in monsieurx.com.
>
> You have HTML parsers - the DiscreteBrowser stack
> You have databases - Search for csv (a simple csv file importer
> with field parser to create a stack database.
>
> Or search for xos an advanced virtual database meta-format OS.
> There's an example self documenting of sorts stack too...
>
>> In the old days of Hypercard and Supercard, it would have
>> been a matter of just throwing everything into individual
>> cards on a stack and the stack contents are paged from the
>> hard drive. If everything is preloaded into memory in
>> Revolution, then I might have a problem ultimately as the
>> contents grow before I am able to make a full transition a
>> cd-rom that's entirely done using Revolution.
>
> Still is actually! Just with mo features to throw at the client!
>
> Cheers
> Xavier
>
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From heather at runrev.com  Mon Dec  6 09:33:03 2004
From: heather at runrev.com (Heather Nagey)
Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 14:33:03 +0000
Subject: runrev 404 errors
In-Reply-To: <20041205233205.589C99300DC@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BDDA1E1F.32915%heather@runrev.com>

> I've been trawling the archive fo the list and all the url's to the runrev
> site return a 404.
> 
> Have the pages been deleted or moved elsewhere? :-)

Moved, mostly. The Runrev site recently underwent a complete overhaul, most
of the old material was incorporated, updated and expanded upon, except the
parts that were deleted... :) This does mean that old links will not work.
Try going to www.runrev.com, and surfing around a bit to get a feel for
where things have gone. Probably the most useful section of the site for
developers in the "resources and support" section, lots of good stuff to
find there.

I hope this helps,

Regards,

Heather

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From fde101 at fjrhome.net  Mon Dec  6 09:50:14 2004
From: fde101 at fjrhome.net (Frank D. Engel, Jr.)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 09:50:14 -0500
Subject: Opacity Percentage?
In-Reply-To: <000f01c4da4a$a5a36340$6502a8c0@davidvq5o4w7vw>
References: 	<BDB7A404.E30E%scott@tactilemedia.com><p06100552bdb8cd50dd99@[66.93.39.98]>
	<530A5ABB-463C-11D9-AFFD-000393C10758@all-auctions.com>
	<000f01c4da4a$a5a36340$6502a8c0@davidvq5o4w7vw>
Message-ID: <2337A3A2-4796-11D9-B0DA-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>

The blendLevel seems a better solution in this case, but getting back 
to the handler posted at the URL below, could it not be simplified even 
further:

on mouseUp
   put empty into aData
   put numToChar(128) into ch

   repeat for the number of chars in the alphaData of image 1
     put ch after aData
   end repeat

   set the alphaData of image 1 of aData
end mouseUp


On Dec 4, 2004, at 4:46 PM, David Kwinter wrote:

> You'll need to use images and manipulate their alphadata. See
> http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/metacard/tips/imag005.htm
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Harrison" 
> <harrison at all-auctions.com>
> To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 1:34 PM
> Subject: Opacity Percentage?
>
>
>> Hi there,
>> I wanted to create a bunch of different color filters
>> and to be able to change the opacity by percentages.
>> I thought I'd use a basic rectangle and see if I could
>> change the opacity so that the object beneath it
>> shows through.
>> So far I haven't found a way to do this in Revolution.
>> Is there a way?
>> Thanks in advance.
>> Rick
>> _______________________________________________
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>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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$ true | cat /usr/manual | grep "John 3:16"
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten 
Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have 
everlasting life.
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From gwalias-rev at yahoo.com  Mon Dec  6 10:12:31 2004
From: gwalias-rev at yahoo.com (Gordon)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 07:12:31 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Opacity Percentage?
In-Reply-To: <2337A3A2-4796-11D9-B0DA-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>
Message-ID: <20041206151231.58403.qmail@web51109.mail.yahoo.com>

Dear Rick

I experimented with this problem and it seems to have
a really straightforward solution (unless I
misunderstand the problem) ...

I created empty image areas on a card and then used
the "fill" tool (in the graphics tools at the bottom
of the toolbox) to fill them with colors (e.g. red,
green & blue). If I then set the "blend" property to
"on" by checking the box on the property inspector for
each image area, I could manually set their opacity
using the slider on the property inspector, or in a
script, by using a command of the form:

set the blendLevel of image "myImage" to 50

This seems to have the desired effect for creating
colored semi-transparent filters. I guess the colors
are innacurate unless you do some more fancy screen
calibration - but is this what you were trying to
achieve?

Best

Gordon




--- "Frank D. Engel, Jr." <fde101 at fjrhome.net> wrote:

> The blendLevel seems a better solution in this case,
> but getting back 
> to the handler posted at the URL below, could it not
> be simplified even 
> further:
> 
> on mouseUp
>    put empty into aData
>    put numToChar(128) into ch
> 
>    repeat for the number of chars in the alphaData
> of image 1
>      put ch after aData
>    end repeat
> 
>    set the alphaData of image 1 of aData
> end mouseUp
> 
> 
> On Dec 4, 2004, at 4:46 PM, David Kwinter wrote:
> 
> > You'll need to use images and manipulate their
> alphadata. See
> >
>
http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/metacard/tips/imag005.htm
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Harrison"
> 
> > <harrison at all-auctions.com>
> > To: "How to use Revolution"
> <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 1:34 PM
> > Subject: Opacity Percentage?
> >
> >
> >> Hi there,
> >> I wanted to create a bunch of different color
> filters
> >> and to be able to change the opacity by
> percentages.
> >> I thought I'd use a basic rectangle and see if I
> could
> >> change the opacity so that the object beneath it
> >> shows through.
> >> So far I haven't found a way to do this in
> Revolution.
> >> Is there a way?
> >> Thanks in advance.
> >> Rick
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> use-revolution mailing list
> >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> >>
>
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> >>
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-revolution mailing list
> > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> >
>
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> >
> >
>
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> 
> $ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
> $ true | cat /usr/manual | grep "John 3:16"
> John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave
> his only begotten 
> Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not
> perish, but have 
> everlasting life.
> $
> 
> 
> 
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From fde101 at fjrhome.net  Mon Dec  6 13:05:00 2004
From: fde101 at fjrhome.net (Frank D. Engel, Jr.)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 13:05:00 -0500
Subject: Offset button in "answer" dialogs
Message-ID: <58DDDDF6-47B1-11D9-B0DA-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>

Under Mac OS X, Apple's HI guidelines specify that when displaying an 
alert with a third button which can potentially cause data loss (as 
opposed to other, "safe" buttons), that button should be offset from 
the other two buttons.  Rev seems to do this automatically when the 
third button is "Don't Save", but I would like to do this with a button 
having a different label.

In other words, I have a button which has a different title, but may 
cause data loss.  Short of building a custom dialog for this, is there 
any way to coax the "answer" dialog into offsetting a button with a 
different name?

Thank you!

-----------------------------------------------------------
Frank D. Engel, Jr.  <fde101 at fjrhome.net>

$ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
$ true | cat /usr/manual | grep "John 3:16"
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten 
Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have 
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From hershrev at realtorsgroup.us  Mon Dec  6 13:22:33 2004
From: hershrev at realtorsgroup.us (Hershel Fisch)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 13:22:33 -0500
Subject: trigger in edit cell
In-Reply-To: <20041206124122.54940.qmail@web60501.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CC4E74F6-47B3-11D9-933E-0030654C1E62@realtorsgroup.us>

>>
>
> Hi Hershel,
>
> If you've turned on the 'table behavior' in the
> inspector palette, then Revolution will trap the
> relevant events: tabKey, arrowKey, returnInField,
> enterInField ; and will do its stuff to select the
> correct cell.
Thanks, Jan , But this only true when the "edit field" is "not" true, 
once the "editCell" is set to true then all the above massages fail and 
that's what I need.
Thanks again, Hershel Fisch
>
> Of course, if you want to use this behavior _and_
> receive a message so that you can handle certain
> aspects yourself, I suggest you create an enhancement
> request by means of bugzilla.
Looks like that bugzilla changed their loc.
>
> Jan Schenkel.
>
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From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Mon Dec  6 14:33:49 2004
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 11:33:49 -0800 (PST)
Subject: trigger in edit cell
In-Reply-To: <CC4E74F6-47B3-11D9-933E-0030654C1E62@realtorsgroup.us>
Message-ID: <20041206193350.68027.qmail@web60508.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Hershel Fisch <hershrev at realtorsgroup.us> wrote:
> > Of course, if you want to use this behavior _and_
> > receive a message so that you can handle certain
> > aspects yourself, I suggest you create an
> enhancement
> > request by means of bugzilla.
> 
> Looks like that bugzilla changed their loc.
>

According to the FAQ on the runrev.com website :
<http://revolution.runrev.com/section/faq.php>
Bugzilla has been moved to :
<http://support.runrev.com/bugzilla/>

Jan Schenkel.

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From dsquance at elkvalley.net  Mon Dec  6 14:40:07 2004
From: dsquance at elkvalley.net (David Squance)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 12:40:07 -0700
Subject: RevOnline
Message-ID: <A236A1AA-47BE-11D9-B6C4-000A27AE39A6@elkvalley.net>

Unfortunately, the user name is of no use to me, since it appears 
RevOnline is restricted to those with RR2.5 which I can't afford.  
Thanks anyhow.
Dave


> Hello again,
>
> David Squance just made me aware of the fact that I had forgotten to 
> mention my user name: sms (which is my initials), under which you'll 
> find the two small stacks. Another way to access them is Browse by 
> category... and you'll find them under Programming and Utilities. 
> Actually, I did not understand the difference between these two and 
> have managed to put one under each. (SaveStackInStack is under 
> Programming.)
>
> Regards
> Signe Marie Sanne


From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Mon Dec  6 14:42:27 2004
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 11:42:27 -0800 (PST)
Subject: RevOnline
In-Reply-To: <A236A1AA-47BE-11D9-B6C4-000A27AE39A6@elkvalley.net>
Message-ID: <20041206194228.72419.qmail@web60501.mail.yahoo.com>

--- David Squance <dsquance at elkvalley.net> wrote:
> Unfortunately, the user name is of no use to me,
> since it appears 
> RevOnline is restricted to those with RR2.5 which I
> can't afford.  
> Thanks anyhow.
> Dave
> 

RevOnline is also in the Dreamcard player -- so just
download and install this free player, and you can
access the content of RevOnline, just not publish your
stacks there...

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From got at mindspring.com  Mon Dec  6 14:42:49 2004
From: got at mindspring.com (Gordon Tillman)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 13:42:49 -0600
Subject: RevOnline
In-Reply-To: <A236A1AA-47BE-11D9-B6C4-000A27AE39A6@elkvalley.net>
References: <A236A1AA-47BE-11D9-B6C4-000A27AE39A6@elkvalley.net>
Message-ID: <02A57CC1-47BF-11D9-9171-000A95ADFC4C@mindspring.com>

Hi David,

On Dec 6, 2004, at 13:40, David Squance wrote:

> Unfortunately, the user name is of no use to me, since it appears 
> RevOnline is restricted to those with RR2.5 which I can't afford.  
> Thanks anyhow.
> Dave

I think you can download the free Revolution Dreamcard Player and 
access the RevOnline stuff with that application.

--gordon


From gwalias-rev at yahoo.com  Mon Dec  6 20:38:12 2004
From: gwalias-rev at yahoo.com (Gordon)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 17:38:12 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Grouped objects
Message-ID: <20041207013812.32966.qmail@web51110.mail.yahoo.com>

Dear Revolutionaries

How do I refer to a control in a group, using a
script?

Here's what I want to do ...

I have a group consisting of a label and an image.
When the mouse enters the group, I want to change the
text format of the label. How do I refer to the label?
I cannot say "set the textcolor of me to red" when the
group is "me".

Best

Gordon

From gwalias-rev at yahoo.com  Mon Dec  6 20:46:52 2004
From: gwalias-rev at yahoo.com (Gordon)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 17:46:52 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Grouped objects
In-Reply-To: <20041207013812.32966.qmail@web51110.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20041207014653.591.qmail@web51101.mail.yahoo.com>

Dear Revolutionaries

Sorry - I just realized how to do this by looking at
the title of the script window where it clearly
defines the script path of the current object!

I entered:

set the textcolor of field "myField" of me to "red"

Logical! (Transcript, not me)

Sorry for that.

Gordon

--- Gordon <gwalias-rev at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Dear Revolutionaries
> 
> How do I refer to a control in a group, using a
> script?
> 
> Here's what I want to do ...
> 
> I have a group consisting of a label and an image.
> When the mouse enters the group, I want to change
> the
> text format of the label. How do I refer to the
> label?
> I cannot say "set the textcolor of me to red" when
> the
> group is "me".
> 
> Best
> 
> Gordon
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> 


From alex at tweedly.net  Mon Dec  6 21:32:04 2004
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 02:32:04 +0000
Subject: Grouped objects
In-Reply-To: <20041207014653.591.qmail@web51101.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20041207013812.32966.qmail@web51110.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20041207022944.02f6ff58@mail.tweedly.net>

At 17:46 06/12/2004 -0800, Gordon wrote:

>Dear Revolutionaries
>
>Sorry - I just realized how to do this by looking at
>the title of the script window where it clearly
>defines the script path of the current object!
>
>I entered:
>
>set the textcolor of field "myField" of me to "red"
>
>Logical! (Transcript, not me)

Yes, but in general you could be here (in the group's handler) due to 
events with any of the fields in the group, so this won't always work.

Check out the docs for "target"

-- Alex.

From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Dec  6 21:43:23 2004
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 20:43:23 -0600
Subject: Offset button in "answer" dialogs
In-Reply-To: <58DDDDF6-47B1-11D9-B0DA-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>
References: <58DDDDF6-47B1-11D9-B0DA-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>
Message-ID: <41B518CB.5000302@hyperactivesw.com>

On 12/6/04 12:05 PM, Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote:

> Under Mac OS X, Apple's HI guidelines specify that when displaying an 
> alert with a third button which can potentially cause data loss (as 
> opposed to other, "safe" buttons), that button should be offset from the 
> other two buttons.  Rev seems to do this automatically when the third 
> button is "Don't Save", but I would like to do this with a button having 
> a different label.
> 
> In other words, I have a button which has a different title, but may 
> cause data loss.  Short of building a custom dialog for this, is there 
> any way to coax the "answer" dialog into offsetting a button with a 
> different name?

I'm not sure if this will help, but the dialog only checks for the word 
"don't". So if you can label your button with anything that starts with 
"don't" you are in business.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com

From harrison at all-auctions.com  Mon Dec  6 23:11:01 2004
From: harrison at all-auctions.com (Rick Harrison)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 23:11:01 -0500
Subject: Opacity Percentage?
In-Reply-To: <20041206151231.58403.qmail@web51109.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20041206151231.58403.qmail@web51109.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <0175C2C5-4806-11D9-AD43-000393C10758@all-auctions.com>


On Dec 6, 2004, at 10:12 AM, Gordon wrote:

> Dear Rick
>
> I experimented with this problem and it seems to have
> a really straightforward solution (unless I
> misunderstand the problem) ...
>
> ...
>
> Gordon
>
>


Gordon,

You must have missed my last post.

That was the approach I ended up using, and it works great.

My initial problem was that the Rev documentation didn't show
me a cross reference when I was searching it for opacity.  Once
I understood that I needed to use "Blendlevel" everything fell
into place.

Thanks for responding!

Rick


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Dec  7 02:28:22 2004
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 23:28:22 -0800
Subject: devolution available
In-Reply-To: <BDD6AD05.BDCB%dick.kriesel@mail.com>
References: <BDD6AD05.BDCB%dick.kriesel@mail.com>
Message-ID: <41B55B96.8070305@fourthworld.com>

Dick Kriesel wrote:
> On 12/3/04 10:42 PM, "Richard Gaskin" <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:
>
>>Anyone else interested in working on a script editor if it were open source?
> 
> If it would be integrated with the Rev debugger, then I'd want to join in
> the effort.  Would it?

It would if you chose to make that your first contribution to the effort. ;)

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  __________________________________________________
  Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev

From dick.kriesel at mail.com  Tue Dec  7 04:55:50 2004
From: dick.kriesel at mail.com (Dick Kriesel)
Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 01:55:50 -0800
Subject: devolution available
In-Reply-To: <41B55B96.8070305@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <BDDABE26.BE42%dick.kriesel@mail.com>

On 12/6/04 11:28 PM, "Richard Gaskin" <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:

>> On 12/3/04 10:42 PM, "Richard Gaskin" <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Anyone else interested in working on a script editor if it were open source?
>> 
>> If it would be integrated with the Rev debugger, then I'd want to join in
>> the effort.  Would it?
> 
> It would if you chose to make that your first contribution to the effort. ;)

There must be quicker alternatives, since I have few clues how complex the
interface is between the current editor and the debugger.  But since I think
their current behavior together is buggy and incomplete, I?m guessing it?s
not trivial.  So for now I'm hoping someone else will make this key
contribution -- or explain how trivial it is.

I think integrating the editor with the debugger will happen a lot sooner
and better if RR wants to support the project's goals.  Then at least we'd
get some good clues about the current API and what changes they see coming.

Does anybody at RR want to support the goal of integrating the proprietary
debugger with a non-proprietary script editor?

-- Dick

From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Dec  7 08:57:26 2004
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 05:57:26 -0800
Subject: devolution available
In-Reply-To: <BDDABE26.BE42%dick.kriesel@mail.com>
References: <BDDABE26.BE42%dick.kriesel@mail.com>
Message-ID: <41B5B6C6.2080400@fourthworld.com>

Dick Kriesel wrote:
> I think integrating the editor with the debugger will happen a lot sooner
> and better if RR wants to support the project's goals.  Then at least we'd
> get some good clues about the current API and what changes they see coming.

Not necessarly:  they have many other priorities that I would prefer 
them to place ahead of this.

Their code is open and waiting to be read, and likely does not differ 
dramatically from the MC IDE code from which both this editor and their 
debugger were born.

It may not be trivial, but I'm almost certain it could be done faster by 
a motivated outsider than put into queue with RunRev behind a long list 
of things only they can do, like engine fixes and enhancements.

Speaking of, I just got notice that bug #605 was fixed -- the answer 
file filters on OS X.  Yeah!  Thanks Tuv!

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  __________________________________________________
  Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev

From kevin at runrev.com  Tue Dec  7 07:23:00 2004
From: kevin at runrev.com (Kevin Miller)
Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 12:23:00 +0000
Subject: devolution available
In-Reply-To: <BDDABE26.BE42%dick.kriesel@mail.com>
Message-ID: <BDDB5124.AAC9%kevin@runrev.com>

On 7/12/04 9:55 am, "Dick Kriesel" <dick.kriesel at mail.com> wrote:

>> It would if you chose to make that your first contribution to the effort. ;)
> 
> There must be quicker alternatives, since I have few clues how complex the
> interface is between the current editor and the debugger.  But since I think
> their current behavior together is buggy and incomplete, I?m guessing it?s
> not trivial.  So for now I'm hoping someone else will make this key
> contribution -- or explain how trivial it is.
> 
> I think integrating the editor with the debugger will happen a lot sooner
> and better if RR wants to support the project's goals.  Then at least we'd
> get some good clues about the current API and what changes they see coming.
> 
> Does anybody at RR want to support the goal of integrating the proprietary
> debugger with a non-proprietary script editor?

Unfortunately, beneficial as I think this project would be, this isn't
something we have the resources to support at the moment.  I'm sure several
people on this list would be capable of figuring out the inner workings of
these components and getting this started.  We might be able to provide some
help with this at a later stage.

Kind regards,

Kevin 

Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/
Runtime Revolution - User-Centric Development Tools


From BNZ2 at CDC.GOV  Tue Dec  7 10:25:52 2004
From: BNZ2 at CDC.GOV (Lynch, Jonathan)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 10:25:52 -0500
Subject: Sending a window to the bottom of all open windows?
Message-ID: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A9469DEF@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>

Do you guys know if there is a way to tell a standalone window to set
itself to the bottom, in terms of the Z-order of all open windows (not
just open rev stacks)?

Jonathan Lynch
Epi-X Editor
404-498-6061


From gwalias-rev at yahoo.com  Tue Dec  7 11:33:30 2004
From: gwalias-rev at yahoo.com (Gordon)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 08:33:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Revolution, Python and bytecode optimization - A teeny math
	benchmark
Message-ID: <20041207163331.34843.qmail@web51102.mail.yahoo.com>

Dear Revolutionaries

I really like Python and I was just curious to see how
the rev compiled bytecode compared to Python's in a
very simple math benchmark. I am definitely NOT making
any kind of statement here about Rev. or Python (or
any other programming language for that matter). If we
simply wanted to do pure math at lightning speeds and
cared little about wonderful interfaces or programming
flexibility, we'd all be using a command line C
compiler. 

That being said however, I am always interested in any
approach that can combine the wonderful flexibility of
4th generation languages with the performance
traditionally associated with the statically typed,
compiled languages (like C or Fortran). Of course,
languages like C will likely always have certain
advantages with regards to performance optimization,
compared with Rev or Python, but any tricks we can use
that can improve the performance of the languages we
love, can potentially give us the best of both worlds.

This is something the Python community has really
taken to heart. Successive releases of Python have
gotten ever faster (20 - 30% speed up between Python
2.2 and 2.3, another ~5% for Python 2.4) but it's the
Python community at large (arguably the lynchpin of
Python's success) that have really stepped up to the
plate and provided superb tools for improving Python's
performance. Python users can now inline C code with
modules like Pyrex and Weave and in an even simpler
approach, they can optimize the Python bytecode with
modules like Psyco, which can make a really dramatic
performance difference.

So as Marty DiBergi would say - enough of my yackin'
let's boogie!

Teeny math benchmark:
10,000,000 iterations of a loop, calculating the
square root of the loop index on each pass.

Revolution 2.5
  repeat with n = 1 to niter
    put sqrt(n) into tmp
  end repeat

Time = 7.133 seconds (elapsed)

Python 2.3
while n <= niter:
   s = math.sqrt(n)
   n += 1

Time = 18.1 seconds (elapsed)

Python 2.3 with Psyco bytecode optimization
One line of code added "psyco.bind(timeit)" where
"timeit" is the name of my simple iterative function

Time = 1.66 seconds (elapsed)

<big hand-waving disclaimer>
I know I know ... the author of this little benchmark
is fully aware that this is just one tiny aspect of
each langauge and that it doesn't prove anything and
you shouldn't sell the farm based upon this etc. etc.
... He was just curious and wanted to make the point
about bytecode optimization.
</big hand-waving disclaimer>


Questions:
Could such a bytecode optimization approach work for
compiled Rev stacks also? 

Are there other people out there thinking about such
things as how to add C modules for computationally
intensive parts of a Rev. program? 

Is the Rev. externals package easy enough to use that
it constitutes a viable solution to improving
perfomance through the use of DLLs?

Best

Gordon

=====
:::::::::: Gordon Webster ::::::::::

From PatGeorgeA at aol.com  Tue Dec  7 11:46:38 2004
From: PatGeorgeA at aol.com (PatGeorgeA at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 11:46:38 EST
Subject: screen resolution problems
Message-ID: <13d.7f6d3b1.2ee7386e@aol.com>

Hi,
I have been developing software for testing in schools - built as a windows 
standalone.? The program is made for a 1024 x 768 screen size (the card filling 
about 2/3rds of the screen with a backdrop) - the stack is quite complex, it 
contains lots script, lots of cards, each with different fonts, buttons and 
fields.? 

Some of the computers we wanted to use are networked and set to a screen 
resolution of 800 x 600.?? Can anyone suggest a good solution to this?? The 
easiest solution would be to change the resolution of the host computers during 
testing - at the end change it back.? Would this be an okay thing to do and does 
anyone have a script that would allow me to do this??? An alternative solution 
would be to change everything on the stack?? Is this solution the best and is 
there any easy way to do this? 

I would be very grateful for any help.
thanks,
Patricia George

From klaus at major-k.de  Tue Dec  7 12:21:43 2004
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 18:21:43 +0100
Subject: screen resolution problems
In-Reply-To: <13d.7f6d3b1.2ee7386e@aol.com>
References: <13d.7f6d3b1.2ee7386e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <76C5E7D2-4874-11D9-871D-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>

Hi Pat,

> Hi,
> I have been developing software for testing in schools - built as a 
> windows
> standalone.? The program is made for a 1024 x 768 screen size (the 
> card filling
> about 2/3rds of the screen with a backdrop)

Ehmm, did i understand you right?

1024 / 3 * 2 = about 683
768 / 3 * 2 = 512

This will fit onto a monitor set to 800*600 and parts of the backdrop 
could still
be seen...

In THAT case setting the stack to the screenloc would be sufficient :-)

on preopenstack
   set the loc of this stack to the screenloc
   ...
end preopenstack

> ...
> I would be very grateful for any help.
> thanks,
> Patricia George

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de


From PatGeorgeA at aol.com  Tue Dec  7 13:07:03 2004
From: PatGeorgeA at aol.com (PatGeorgeA at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 13:07:03 EST
Subject: screen resolution problems
Message-ID: <6a.4a174c18.2ee74b47@aol.com>

Hi Klaus,
sorry to mislead you, have tried the software on a screen set to 800 x 600 
and it is too big - it doesn't all fit onto the screen.  Unfortunately, the 
original size of the stack is 940 x 600.
thanks,
Pat 

> Ehmm, did i understand you right?
> 
> 1024 / 3 * 2 = about 683
> 768 / 3 * 2 = 512
> 
> This will fit onto a monitor set to 800*600 and parts of the backdrop 
> could still
> 


From fde101 at fjrhome.net  Tue Dec  7 13:57:58 2004
From: fde101 at fjrhome.net (Frank D. Engel, Jr.)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 13:57:58 -0500
Subject: screen resolution problems
In-Reply-To: <6a.4a174c18.2ee74b47@aol.com>
References: <6a.4a174c18.2ee74b47@aol.com>
Message-ID: <E91ACB1D-4881-11D9-AE7A-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>

 From a development perspective, both solutions are less than desirable:

1. Rev does not like to have the screen resolution changed while 
running; this is an engine flaw (one might say limitation, but since 
Apple's HI guidelines, and M$'s as well I think, make specific 
statements that programs should be prepared to deal cleanly with 
changes in the screen resolution while running, it is *quite* a 
limitation), so it applies to all standalones as well.  While it may be 
possible to use a script to change the screen resolution, this may not 
be desirable, and the standalone may not work correctly.  Any comments 
here?  Has anyone actually tested Rev's (or a standalone's) behavior 
when the resolution changes midstream?  See the docs for the screenRect 
function for more details.

2. Depending on how your card was designed, reducing the size of the 
stack may require you to redo the layouts of some, many, or all objects 
on each and every card (but ultimately it would work)...  Suggested new 
stack sizes: 720x460, 790x504

The easiest option is to change the screen resolution of those 
computers *before* starting your program.

The "best" option (depending on your situation) would likely be #2, 
though it could take some time.


Another (unfortunate) reality: some monitors, or some video cards, may 
limit your screen resolution to the point where it may not be possible 
to get the higher resolution.  Also, some security software may prevent 
the resolution from being changed.

On Dec 7, 2004, at 1:07 PM, PatGeorgeA at aol.com wrote:

> Hi Klaus,
> sorry to mislead you, have tried the software on a screen set to 800 x 
> 600
> and it is too big - it doesn't all fit onto the screen.  
> Unfortunately, the
> original size of the stack is 940 x 600.
> thanks,
> Pat
>
>> Ehmm, did i understand you right?
>>
>> 1024 / 3 * 2 = about 683
>> 768 / 3 * 2 = 512
>>
>> This will fit onto a monitor set to 800*600 and parts of the backdrop
>> could still
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
>
-----------------------------------------------------------
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$ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
$ true | cat /usr/manual | grep "John 3:16"
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten 
Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have 
everlasting life.
$



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From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Tue Dec  7 16:53:54 2004
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 13:53:54 -0800
Subject: Standalone Problems for OSX and OS9 apps
Message-ID: <p06200701bddbd2d31b9e@[10.0.1.2]>

so today finally after 2 years of using Rev, I've actually tried to 
make some standalones, and the process seems to be straightforward 
and simple. However, the standalones display different results, some 
of which defeat the usefulness of these apps, and the inconsistency 
is bothersome.

1. App is created in 2.5, using no externals, etc, all Transcript. 
Simple loading in of text files, parsing data to send to a second 
stack window for printing. There are grey cutting guide lines on the 
printing window (this is for simple CD labeling) and also table 
boundary lines which show up properly on screen and print just fine 
on a Laserwriter printer. Everything works in the IDE. OS 10.3.4. I'm 
using tab-delimited text inserted into table fields from files loaded 
with open and read.

2. OSX standalone works great, except that all the greyed lines don't 
appear in the printed output but yet are there in the template stack. 
Huh?

3. The OS 9 stanalone is worse - the grey lines show up in print, but 
no text gets loaded into the table field for editing. Another button 
that loads text from the clipboard works, but loading from a file 
doesn't - only on the OS9 standalone.

Are there any 'gotchas' that I should be looking out for in compiling 
these apps? The appropriate libraries were checked. Is it the shade 
of grey that's the problem?

disappointed but not down,

stephen barncard

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From sarahr at genesearch.com.au  Tue Dec  7 17:18:48 2004
From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 08:18:48 +1000
Subject: Standalone Problems for OSX and OS9 apps
In-Reply-To: <p06200701bddbd2d31b9e@[10.0.1.2]>
References: <p06200701bddbd2d31b9e@[10.0.1.2]>
Message-ID: <F785CDC2-489D-11D9-AA52-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au>

> 1. App is created in 2.5, using no externals, etc, all Transcript. 
> Simple loading in of text files, parsing data to send to a second 
> stack window for printing. There are grey cutting guide lines on the 
> printing window (this is for simple CD labeling) and also table 
> boundary lines which show up properly on screen and print just fine on 
> a Laserwriter printer. Everything works in the IDE. OS 10.3.4. I'm 
> using tab-delimited text inserted into table fields from files loaded 
> with open and read.
>
> 2. OSX standalone works great, except that all the greyed lines don't 
> appear in the printed output but yet are there in the template stack. 
> Huh?
I don't have any great ideas about this one. Do you create a new stack 
based on a template stack? If so, it will be it's own mainStack and not 
inherit any properties from the original's mainStack. Could this be the 
problem?
>
> 3. The OS 9 stanalone is worse - the grey lines show up in print, but 
> no text gets loaded into the table field for editing. Another button 
> that loads text from the clipboard works, but loading from a file 
> doesn't - only on the OS9 standalone.
This is almost certainly a file path problem as OS 9 operates 
differently to OS X. Does the app locate the text files itself or do 
you use answer file to find them? if it is locating them itself, then I 
would expect that the file path is incorrect. Build an OS 9 app that 
uses the answer file command and you will be able to see exactly what 
the file path should be.

Cheers,
Sarah


From wow at together.net  Tue Dec  7 17:37:05 2004
From: wow at together.net (Richard Miller)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 17:37:05 -0500
Subject: Battery testing, volume booster
In-Reply-To: <F785CDC2-489D-11D9-AA52-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au>
References: <p06200701bddbd2d31b9e@[10.0.1.2]>
	<F785CDC2-489D-11D9-AA52-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au>
Message-ID: <85977DAA-48A0-11D9-B78B-003065B0423A@together.net>

Looking for ideas on how to accomplish two functions from within Rev:

1. Read the status of the internal battery (i.e. % charged);

2. Boost the output of the speaker beyond the built-in volume level. In 
other words, access/create the functionality of a simple software 
equalizer (such as the Preamp function in I-Tunes).

Any suggestions?

Thanks.
Richard Miller
Imprinter Technologies, LLC


From klaus at major-k.de  Tue Dec  7 17:45:48 2004
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 23:45:48 +0100
Subject: screen resolution problems
In-Reply-To: <6a.4a174c18.2ee74b47@aol.com>
References: <6a.4a174c18.2ee74b47@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BD46BFB7-48A1-11D9-871D-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>

Hi Pat,

> Hi Klaus,
> sorry to mislead you, have tried the software on a screen set to 800 x 
> 600
> and it is too big - it doesn't all fit onto the screen.  
> Unfortunately, the
> original size of the stack is 940 x 600.
> thanks,
> Pat

Ah, i knew it wouldn't be THAT easy :-)

>> Ehmm, did i understand you right?
>> ...

Best

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de


From sarahr at genesearch.com.au  Tue Dec  7 17:51:36 2004
From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 08:51:36 +1000
Subject: Battery testing, volume booster
In-Reply-To: <85977DAA-48A0-11D9-B78B-003065B0423A@together.net>
References: <p06200701bddbd2d31b9e@[10.0.1.2]>
	<F785CDC2-489D-11D9-AA52-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au>
	<85977DAA-48A0-11D9-B78B-003065B0423A@together.net>
Message-ID: <8C6B4ACF-48A2-11D9-AA52-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au>

Hi Richard,

> Looking for ideas on how to accomplish two functions from within Rev:
>
> 1. Read the status of the internal battery (i.e. % charged);
>
I can't help with the volume boost, but here is the script I use for 
reading the battery charge in an iBook. It requires the shell command 
"battery" which you can download from 
<http://www.mitt-eget.com/software/macosx/>. I couldn't get that link 
to work this morning, so if you want the shell command, let me know 
off-list and I can email you a copy.
I put it into the "/usr/bin/" folder but you can put it anywhere you 
like if you send the full path to the shell function. It can give you a 
whole heap of info - run it in Terminal and check the help, but the 
function below just returns the percent charge or "n/a" if there is no 
battery.


-- check battery level using OS X shell command
-- battery script needs to be in /usr/bin/
--
-- returns percent charge or "n/a"
--
function batteryLevel
   if isOSX() then
     put shell("battery csv") into tBatt
     put last item of line 1 of tBatt into tPercent
     put item 4 of tBatt into tFlags
     if char 6 of tFlags = 0 then
       -- no battery connected
       put "n/a" into tPercent
     end if
   else
     -- OS 9 can't use shell commands
     put "n/a" into tPercent
   end if
   return tPercent
end batteryLevel

Cheers,
Sarah


From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Tue Dec  7 17:56:25 2004
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 14:56:25 -0800
Subject: Standalone Problems for OSX and OS9 apps
Message-ID: <p06200705bddbddbbaa25@[10.0.1.2]>

Thanks Sara,
no, this is not a file path problem. The files are selected by the 
standard file dialog.

And by 'template' I mean that one stack is strictly a 'template' for 
printing with no controls and fields that are stripped down with no 
scrollbars, focus or border so it will print correctly. Data are 
inserted by script prior to printing. Both platform apps print the 
text if it's already in the field.

EVERYTHING works great in the IDE in OSX.

The application builder downloaded any missing engines. But right now 
the app is useless in both platforms, for different reasons. Damn.

sqb


>>1. App is created in 2.5, using no externals, etc, all Transcript. 
>>Simple loading in of text files, parsing data to send to a second 
>>stack window for printing. There are grey cutting guide lines on 
>>the printing window (this is for simple CD labeling) and also table 
>>boundary lines which show up properly on screen and print just fine 
>>on a Laserwriter printer. Everything works in the IDE. OS 10.3.4. 
>>I'm using tab-delimited text inserted into table fields from files 
>>loaded with open and read.
>>
>>2. OSX standalone works great, except that all the greyed lines 
>>don't appear in the printed output but yet are there in the 
>>template stack. Huh?
>I don't have any great ideas about this one. Do you create a new 
>stack based on a template stack? If so, it will be it's own 
>mainStack and not inherit any properties from the original's 
>mainStack. Could this be the problem?
>>
>>3. The OS 9 stanalone is worse - the grey lines show up in print, 
>>but no text gets loaded into the table field for editing. Another 
>>button that loads text from the clipboard works, but loading from a 
>>file doesn't - only on the OS9 standalone.
>This is almost certainly a file path problem as OS 9 operates 
>differently to OS X. Does the app locate the text files itself or do 
>you use answer file to find them? if it is locating them itself, 
>then I would expect that the file path is incorrect. Build an OS 9 
>app that uses the answer file command and you will be able to see 
>exactly what the file path should be.
>
>Cheers,
>Sarah
>
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>use-revolution mailing list
>use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution


From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Tue Dec  7 18:08:25 2004
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 15:08:25 -0800
Subject: Standalone Problems for OSX and OS9 apps
In-Reply-To: <p06200701bddbd2d31b9e@[10.0.1.2]>
References: <p06200701bddbd2d31b9e@[10.0.1.2]>
Message-ID: <E63AAC5D-48A4-11D9-A1EB-000A956C462A@mangomultimedia.com>

On Dec 7, 2004, at 1:53 PM, Stephen Barncard wrote:

> so today finally after 2 years of using Rev, I've actually tried to 
> make some standalones, and the process seems to be straightforward and 
> simple. However, the standalones display different results, some of 
> which defeat the usefulness of these apps, and the inconsistency is 
> bothersome.

> 3. The OS 9 stanalone is worse - the grey lines show up in print, but 
> no text gets loaded into the table field for editing. Another button 
> that loads text from the clipboard works, but loading from a file 
> doesn't - only on the OS9 standalone.

Are you testing the OS 9 standalone on an OS 9 machine or using Classic 
with OS X?  If you are using Classic then reading files will not work.  
It works fine if running under OS 9 however.



-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Multimedia
trevor at mangomultimedia.com


From immunoteam at yahoo.com  Tue Dec  7 18:11:11 2004
From: immunoteam at yahoo.com (Anna Shn)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 15:11:11 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Setting fonts to be different in OSX and Windows
In-Reply-To: <20041204170107.9373993011D@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <20041207231111.36035.qmail@web50906.mail.yahoo.com>

Hello again! and thank you for your responses! I have some questions about how to actually implement your suggestions:
 
Jacqueline Gay, you said:
>>Another way that sometimes works is to have a handler check >>the platform that is running, and set the font size in Windows a >>bit smaller than it is on a Mac. You can do this in a >>preOpenCard handler if the changes affect only that card, or >>do it more generally in a preOpenStack handler if the changes >>need to be widespread. For example, set the textsize to 12 on >>Mac and 11 on Windows. 
 
What is preOpenCard/Stack and how do I access these items to change them? 

>>Richard Gaskin mentioned that "There was a thread here a >>couple weeks ago on this [cross-platform texts] -- anyone have >>the time to put that into the FAQ?"
If anyone does that would be great! or if you remember the subject of the thread, I could find it myself in the archives.
 
Thanks again, 
Anna


		
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From immunoteam at yahoo.com  Tue Dec  7 18:14:24 2004
From: immunoteam at yahoo.com (Anna Shn)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 15:14:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Formatting text within a field
Message-ID: <20041207231424.36983.qmail@web50906.mail.yahoo.com>

I have another question about fonts: is it possible to format the text within a field without using HTML? I have only been able to make uniform text in a field [i.e. all same size, style: bold, italisized, underlined, and font face.]
 
Thank you!
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From alex at tweedly.net  Tue Dec  7 18:30:52 2004
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 23:30:52 +0000
Subject: Revolution, Python and bytecode optimization - A teeny
  math benchmark
In-Reply-To: <20041207163331.34843.qmail@web51102.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20041207231839.028710f8@mail.tweedly.net>

At 08:33 07/12/2004 -0800, Gordon wrote:
>Teeny math benchmark:
>10,000,000 iterations of a loop, calculating the
>square root of the loop index on each pass.
>
>Revolution 2.5
>   repeat with n = 1 to niter
>     put sqrt(n) into tmp
>   end repeat
>
>Time = 7.133 seconds (elapsed)
>
>Python 2.3
>while n <= niter:
>    s = math.sqrt(n)
>    n += 1
>
>Time = 18.1 seconds (elapsed)

><big hand-waving disclaimer>
>I know I know ... the author of this little benchmark
>is fully aware that this is just one tiny aspect of
>each langauge and that it doesn't prove anything and
>you shouldn't sell the farm based upon this etc. etc.
>... He was just curious and wanted to make the point
>about bytecode optimization.
></big hand-waving disclaimer>

I'll get around to a longer reply on the underlying issues ..... but a 
quick comment on your benchmark. I read your disclaimer - but even allowing 
for that, I don't understand why you used such different forms of loops to 
compare.

If you're doing the Python version
>while n <= niters:
>     n += 1
why not do the Rev as
>repeat while n <= niters
>    add 1 to n
>end repeat

(For rev, the "repeat while" version is 60% slower than "repeat for".)

Or, otoh, why not compare
>repeat for n=1 to niters
with
>for n in range(niters):

(the "for" version is about 25% faster in Python than the "while" version)

And of course, I still can't figure out why a bytecode optimizer wouldn't 
achieve what a good compiler optimizer would - i.e. eliminate the entire 
loop, setting the terminal values for n and tmp.

-- Alex.

From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Tue Dec  7 18:30:01 2004
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 15:30:01 -0800
Subject: Standalone Problems for OSX and OS9 apps
Message-ID: <p06200708bddbe9896e5e@[10.0.1.2]>

Why on earth won't a simple file read work in Classic? Even Hypercard 
works fine in classic! that is the most basic thing a program can do! 
Is this a bug?

And this of course does not address the printing differences noted in 
OSX. Why would any of that be different?

>On Dec 7, 2004, at 1:53 PM, Stephen Barncard wrote:
>
>>so today finally after 2 years of using Rev, I've actually tried to 
>>make some standalones, and the process seems to be straightforward 
>>and simple. However, the standalones display different results, 
>>some of which defeat the usefulness of these apps, and the 
>>inconsistency is bothersome.
>
>>3. The OS 9 stanalone is worse - the grey lines show up in print, 
>>but no text gets loaded into the table field for editing. Another 
>>button that loads text from the clipboard works, but loading from a 
>>file doesn't - only on the OS9 standalone.
>
>Are you testing the OS 9 standalone on an OS 9 machine or using 
>Classic with OS X?  If you are using Classic then reading files will 
>not work.  It works fine if running under OS 9 however.
>

From sarahr at genesearch.com.au  Tue Dec  7 18:34:43 2004
From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 09:34:43 +1000
Subject: Formatting text within a field
In-Reply-To: <20041207231424.36983.qmail@web50906.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20041207231424.36983.qmail@web50906.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9247BCBD-48A8-11D9-81A1-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au>

> I have another question about fonts: is it possible to format the text 
> within a field without using HTML? I have only been able to make 
> uniform text in a field [i.e. all same size, style: bold, italisized, 
> underlined, and font face.]
>
Yes it is. Try things like:

set the textFont of line 3 of fld "Text" to "Verdana"
set the textStyle of char 3 to 7 of line 12 of fld "Text" to 
"bold,italic"
set the textSize of line 3 to 6 of fld "Text" to 14
set the foreColor of word 5 of line 2 of fld "Text" to "blue"

If you need to copy the text to another field, you will have to use the 
htmlText as that is the property that holds the formatting.
e.g.
put fld "Text" into fld "Another" will only copy the actual text.
set the htmlText of fld "Another" to the htmlText of fld "Text" will 
copy all the formatting.

This also allows a very quick method of removing all formatting:
put fld "Text" into fld "Text"

Cheers,
Sarah


From sarahr at genesearch.com.au  Tue Dec  7 18:38:07 2004
From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 09:38:07 +1000
Subject: Standalone Problems for OSX and OS9 apps
In-Reply-To: <p06200708bddbe9896e5e@[10.0.1.2]>
References: <p06200708bddbe9896e5e@[10.0.1.2]>
Message-ID: <0BF57060-48A9-11D9-81A1-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au>

You can read files in Classic, but as the file paths are different, you 
need to use the revMacFromUnixPath function to translate your file 
paths. I haven't got the scripts handy at the moment, but I worked all 
this out a while ago. I'll look them up this evening and post an 
example tomorrow, but it CAN be done, although I too used to think 
otherwise.

Sarah

On 8 Dec 2004, at 9:32 am, Stephen Barncard wrote:

> Why on earth won't a simple file read work in Classic? Even Hypercard 
> works fine in classic! that is the most basic thing a program can do! 
> Is this a bug?
>
> And this of course does not address the printing differences noted in 
> OSX. Why would any of that be different?
>
>> On Dec 7, 2004, at 1:53 PM, Stephen Barncard wrote:
>>
>>> so today finally after 2 years of using Rev, I've actually tried to 
>>> make some standalones, and the process seems to be straightforward 
>>> and simple. However, the standalones display different results, some 
>>> of which defeat the usefulness of these apps, and the inconsistency 
>>> is bothersome.
>>
>>> 3. The OS 9 stanalone is worse - the grey lines show up in print, 
>>> but no text gets loaded into the table field for editing. Another 
>>> button that loads text from the clipboard works, but loading from a 
>>> file doesn't - only on the OS9 standalone.
>>
>> Are you testing the OS 9 standalone on an OS 9 machine or using 
>> Classic with OS X?  If you are using Classic then reading files will 
>> not work.  It works fine if running under OS 9 however.


From wow at together.net  Tue Dec  7 19:00:33 2004
From: wow at together.net (Richard Miller)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 19:00:33 -0500
Subject: Battery testing, volume booster
In-Reply-To: <8C6B4ACF-48A2-11D9-AA52-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au>
References: <p06200701bddbd2d31b9e@[10.0.1.2]>
	<F785CDC2-489D-11D9-AA52-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au>
	<85977DAA-48A0-11D9-B78B-003065B0423A@together.net>
	<8C6B4ACF-48A2-11D9-AA52-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au>
Message-ID: <2E7F451C-48AC-11D9-B78B-003065B0423A@together.net>

Thanks, Sarah. That seems to work fine. Much appreciated.

Still looking for ideas on the volume boost from anyone else.

Richard


On Dec 7, 2004, at 5:51 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

> Hi Richard,
>
>> Looking for ideas on how to accomplish two functions from within Rev:
>>
>> 1. Read the status of the internal battery (i.e. % charged);
>>
> I can't help with the volume boost, but here is the script I use for 
> reading the battery charge in an iBook. It requires the shell command 
> "battery" which you can download from 
> <http://www.mitt-eget.com/software/macosx/>. I couldn't get that link 
> to work this morning, so if you want the shell command, let me know 
> off-list and I can email you a copy.
> I put it into the "/usr/bin/" folder but you can put it anywhere you 
> like if you send the full path to the shell function. It can give you 
> a whole heap of info - run it in Terminal and check the help, but the 
> function below just returns the percent charge or "n/a" if there is no 
> battery.
>
>
> -- check battery level using OS X shell command
> -- battery script needs to be in /usr/bin/
> --
> -- returns percent charge or "n/a"
> --
> function batteryLevel
>   if isOSX() then
>     put shell("battery csv") into tBatt
>     put last item of line 1 of tBatt into tPercent
>     put item 4 of tBatt into tFlags
>     if char 6 of tFlags = 0 then
>       -- no battery connected
>       put "n/a" into tPercent
>     end if
>   else
>     -- OS 9 can't use shell commands
>     put "n/a" into tPercent
>   end if
>   return tPercent
> end batteryLevel
>
> Cheers,
> Sarah
>
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>


From pdel at noos.fr  Tue Dec  7 19:26:17 2004
From: pdel at noos.fr (Pierre Del.)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 01:26:17 +0100
Subject: using links on the web
Message-ID: <C69C98CC-48AF-11D9-8B14-000A958810A8@noos.fr>

Hi everybody.

I have hundred of pages written in a rev stack. In these pages are 
included numerous links made using the linktext property.
When I click on the text, a very simple message like "ABCDE" is sent 
and leads to another card.

My problem is the following : if I put the htlmtext of my pages on a 
web site, and if the user clicks on the links, the browser searches a 
page named "ABCDE" and of course finds nothing since it is not a URL.

It would be a lot of work to replace each link by an URL.

I have a MySQL database with a table associating a correct URL to each 
"ABCDE", but I can't find a way to recover "ABCDE"as a variable and 
send it to the database.

Maybe a javascript script??

Thanks for your help.

Pierre Delain


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Tue Dec  7 20:38:55 2004
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 19:38:55 -0600
Subject: Formatting text within a field
In-Reply-To: <20041207231424.36983.qmail@web50906.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BDDBB74F.A7CE%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 12/7/04 5:14 PM, "Anna Shn" <immunoteam at yahoo.com> wrote:

> I have another question about fonts: is it possible to format the text within
> a field without using HTML? I have only been able to make uniform text in a
> field [i.e. all same size, style: bold, italisized, underlined, and font
> face.]

Yes... here's an example:

  set the textColor of word 2 of field 1 to red


Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From bfr at nwlink.com  Tue Dec  7 20:44:24 2004
From: bfr at nwlink.com (Bruce Robertson)
Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 17:44:24 -0800
Subject: Cross platform search database
In-Reply-To: <5305D6A3-478D-11D9-B0DA-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>
Message-ID: <BDDB9C78.315E7%bfr@nwlink.com>

> The easiest way to set up all of the searching, etc. for a large
> database would be to store all of the data in an SQL database and let
> the database server worry about indexing, searching, and sorting
> results; however, this would require there to be an SQL database server
> running on the machine in order to query the results.  Not a
> particularly nice thing for running such a program from a CD.

Or just do it all in a Filemaker runtime.


From briany at qldlearning.com  Tue Dec  7 20:52:34 2004
From: briany at qldlearning.com (Brian Yennie)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 17:52:34 -0800
Subject: Cross platform search database
In-Reply-To: <BDDB9C78.315E7%bfr@nwlink.com>
Message-ID: <D490B04C-48BB-11D9-B510-000393AA08D2@qldlearning.com>

Or use the Valentina SQL engine for heavy lifting, which ships with Rev.

>> The easiest way to set up all of the searching, etc. for a large
>> database would be to store all of the data in an SQL database and let
>> the database server worry about indexing, searching, and sorting
>> results; however, this would require there to be an SQL database 
>> server
>> running on the machine in order to query the results.  Not a
>> particularly nice thing for running such a program from a CD.
>
> Or just do it all in a Filemaker runtime.
>
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>
>


From mpetrides at earthlink.net  Tue Dec  7 21:16:08 2004
From: mpetrides at earthlink.net (Marian Petrides)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 21:16:08 -0500
Subject: Product Announcements
In-Reply-To: <1079532A-A824-11D8-AD3E-000393882F80@runrev.com>
References: <1079532A-A824-11D8-AD3E-000393882F80@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <1F1DF052-48BF-11D9-A78C-000A959D005E@earthlink.net>

Rod,

My blood banking software, Transfusion Medicine Interactive, (created 
with Rev of course) is finally available through the AABB Press.  
Please refresh my memory on what you need from me/AABB in the way of a 
product announcement--i.e. how long should it be, any specific 
information that you require, etc. Thanks.

Marian (Petrides, MD)

On May 17, 2004, at 1:03 PM, Rod McCall wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> There has been quite a few product announcements lately. If you are 
> intending to announce a product then please get in touch as we can 
> help with promoting it to the outside world. It doesn't matter if your 
> product is commercial, shareware, freeware or postcardware we would 
> like to hear from you!
>
> Just send me an email (rodmc at runrev.com) if you would like more 
> information.
>
> Regards,
>
> Rod
>
> Dr Rod McCall ~ rodmc at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/
> Runtime Revolution - User-Centric Development Tools
>
> _______________________________________________
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>


From chipp at chipp.com  Tue Dec  7 22:56:55 2004
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 19:56:55 -0800
Subject: screen resolution problems
In-Reply-To: <13d.7f6d3b1.2ee7386e@aol.com>
References: <13d.7f6d3b1.2ee7386e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <41B67B87.8090005@chipp.com>

The easiest solution is to check on startup the screen resolution (get 
the screenRect) and if it's not big enough popup an answer warning 
dialog telling the user to please quit and change resolutions and relaunch.

The next easiest solution would be to open the stack w/out clipping on 
the screen (course it's too big) and build yourself a small nav palette 
like Richard Gaskin has in devolution...not too hard, I built one in a 
couple hours. The nav palette allows the user to move the larger screen 
around easily and view all parts of it...think pan and scan.

The best solution would be to modify your stack so it works well in both 
resolutions. See the Geometry Manager or resizeStack handler.

hope this helps,

Chipp

PatGeorgeA at aol.com wrote:
> Hi,
> I have been developing software for testing in schools - built as a windows 
> standalone.  The program is made for a 1024 x 768 screen size (the card filling 
> about 2/3rds of the screen with a backdrop) - the stack is quite complex, it 
> contains lots script, lots of cards, each with different fonts, buttons and 
> fields.  
> 
> Some of the computers we wanted to use are networked and set to a screen 
> resolution of 800 x 600.   Can anyone suggest a good solution to this?  The 
> easiest solution would be to change the resolution of the host computers during 
> testing - at the end change it back.  Would this be an okay thing to do and does 
> anyone have a script that would allow me to do this?   An alternative solution 
> would be to change everything on the stack?  Is this solution the best and is 
> there any easy way to do this? 

From alw918 at earthlink.net  Wed Dec  8 01:47:51 2004
From: alw918 at earthlink.net (Andrew)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 22:47:51 -0800
Subject: Windows standalone two handlers separated
In-Reply-To: <20041208014752.32EBC930132@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <14C0C19C-48E5-11D9-BEDC-000393DD0724@earthlink.net>

I've got another clue about why my windows standalone is not working.  
Okay, my script into two halves-- one in the card script and one in the 
script of a button.  At the end if the card script section it says
send parttwo to card button "instructions"

...And I made sure to put all of the relevant local variables (only 1) 
into a global variable, so that it could be accessed in the script of 
the card button "instructions".

However, It seems as though my standalone is only running the card 
script section, and then not going to the script of cd btn 
"instructions".  Is there any known error that Windows standalones have 
with, as in this case, one handler calling a handler that's located 
elsewhere?

btw: unrelated thing: if I have a wav file in my stack, how do I
a. find out how big it is
b. delete it?

Thanks  :)
Andrew

From klaus at major-k.de  Wed Dec  8 03:25:47 2004
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 09:25:47 +0100
Subject: Windows standalone two handlers separated
In-Reply-To: <14C0C19C-48E5-11D9-BEDC-000393DD0724@earthlink.net>
References: <14C0C19C-48E5-11D9-BEDC-000393DD0724@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <C2C12CD1-48F2-11D9-AD6F-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>

Hi Andrew,

> I've got another clue about why my windows standalone is not working.  
> Okay, my script into two halves-- one in the card script and one in 
> the script of a button.  At the end if the card script section it says
> send parttwo to card button "instructions"
>
> ...And I made sure to put all of the relevant local variables (only 1) 
> into a global variable, so that it could be accessed in the script of 
> the card button "instructions".

You could even send that local var as a parameter to your button, see 
below...

> However, It seems as though my standalone is only running the card 
> script section, and then not going to the script of cd btn 
> "instructions".  Is there any known error that Windows standalones 
> have with, as in this case, one handler calling a handler that's 
> located elsewhere?

If you specify the exact location of the button it will work!

Like:
...
send "parttwo" to btn "name here" of cd x ## of stack y
## if the button is inanother stack...
...

Please note the quotes!

Or with the above mentioned parameter:

local varname

on xyz
    send "parttwo varname" to btn "name here" of cd x
...


And in the button:

on parttwo whattheheck
    ## do something with whattheheck
...

Make sure that "varname" is not empty! ;-)

> btw: unrelated thing: if I have a wav file in my stack, how do I
> a. find out how big it is

Sorry, no idea...

> b. delete it?

In the preerences -> Application Browser check "Show audio clips" (and 
"Show vieoclips")
then you can select your sound and delete it in the App Browser.

> Thanks  :)
> Andrew

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de


From rjb at rz.uni-potsdam.de  Wed Dec  8 03:50:54 2004
From: rjb at rz.uni-potsdam.de (Robert Brenstein)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 09:50:54 +0100
Subject: RevOnline
In-Reply-To: <20041206194228.72419.qmail@web60501.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20041206194228.72419.qmail@web60501.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <a06110416bddc6f871d0f@[141.89.100.235]>

>--- David Squance <dsquance at elkvalley.net> wrote:
>>  Unfortunately, the user name is of no use to me,
>>  since it appears
>>  RevOnline is restricted to those with RR2.5 which I
>>  can't afford. 
>>  Thanks anyhow.
>>  Dave
>>
>
>RevOnline is also in the Dreamcard player -- so just
>download and install this free player, and you can
>access the content of RevOnline, just not publish your
>stacks there...
>
>Jan Schenkel.

Only if not using OS9. The player is crippled in OS9. Bug 2009.

Robert

From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Wed Dec  8 07:10:56 2004
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 12:10:56 +0000
Subject: Standalone Problems for OSX and OS9 apps
In-Reply-To: <0BF57060-48A9-11D9-81A1-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au>
Message-ID: <BDDC9FD0.25812%benr_mc@cogapp.com>

Sarah Reichelt wrote:
>>> Trevor DeVore wrote:
>>> [snip]
>>> Are you testing the OS 9 standalone on an OS 9 machine or using
>>> Classic with OS X?  If you are using Classic then reading files will
>>> not work.  It works fine if running under OS 9 however.
>
> On 8 Dec 2004, at 9:32 am, Stephen Barncard wrote:
>> Why on earth won't a simple file read work in Classic? Even Hypercard
>> works fine in classic! that is the most basic thing a program can do!
>> Is this a bug?
>> [snip]
>
> You can read files in Classic, but as the file paths are different, you
> need to use the revMacFromUnixPath function to translate your file
> paths.
> [snip] 

No, it really is a bug.  As Trevor noted, it applies in Classic, not under
true OS 9.

http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=379
http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=1466
http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=1468
http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=2212

At one point it appeared to have been fixed - however I think this may be
the continuing confusion between Classic under X versus true OS 9.  It is a
bug, and it is fantastically annoying for anyone developing under OS X who
still needs to support OS 9, as for many apps it is simply impossible to
test them under Classic.

According to Tuviah's note on the latest of the above reports, the problem
is in the development tool (CodeWarrior) that the Mac engine is built in, so
RunRev can't fix it until Metrowerks fix that.  Which puts me in somwewhat
of a biter bit situation, since there are a number of bugs in my products
that I tell my users "I can't do anything about it until my development
environment [rev] is fixed".  Now I know how they feel!
 
  Ben Rubinstein               |  Email: benr_mc at cogapp.com
  Cognitive Applications Ltd   |  Phone: +44 (0)1273-821600
  http://www.cogapp.com        |  Fax  : +44 (0)1273-728866


From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Wed Dec  8 09:11:57 2004
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 14:11:57 +0000
Subject: Wanted: idiot's guide to using Unicode in Rev
Message-ID: <BDDCBC2D.2583D%benr_mc@cogapp.com>

Thanks to Ron Barber for some helpful responses to my previous mail.  I'm
making very slow and stumbling progress - still, progress!  Now I've hit
another area in which my incomprehension may be mixing with Rev bugs.

Working with a field which has interited Geneva as it's font. Set the
htmltext of a field to some text with a unicode character, eg
    <p>Hell<font lang="el">&#333;</font>, world.</p><p>Goodbye.</p>

Expected is a single unicode character (o-macron), in otherwise English
text, ie
        Hell<o-macron>, world.
        Goodbye.

Result is that all the text from the unicode character to the end of the
paragraph is displayed as Japanese characters, ie
        Hell<o-macron><japananese characters>
        Goodbye.

I can construct the desired behaviour by inserting the character after the
rest of the text has been set; that is, first I set the field to the text
        Hello, world.
        Goodbye.

then execute the statements
    put "<font lang=" & quote & "el" & quote & ">&#333;</font>" into x
    set the htmlText of char 5 of fld 1 to x

Then I get the desired appearance.  I then ask for the htmlText of the whole
field, I get the string I started with, that is
    <p>Hell<font lang="el">&#333;</font>, world.</p><p>Goodbye.</p>

In other words, setting the htmlText of the field to the htmlText of the
field changes it (rendering all the characters after the o-macron to
japanese characters. Is this a bug?  Is it a known bug?  Is it in bugzilla?
Is there a workaround?

Note that the same does not occur with unicodeText - eg given a field
constructed as above, the statement
    set the unicodeText of fld 1 to the unicodeText of fld 1

doesn't change the text (but of course it does change any style attributes,
so this isn't by itself a solution to my problem.)

Also note, attempted workaround: explicitly changing the font of the next
character works, ie setting the field to:

    <p>Hell<font lang="el">&#333;</font><font language="en">,</font>
world.</p><p>Goodbye.</p>

so forcing the comma that immediately follows o-macron back to english
works; but this isn't a great solution in my general case, as the next
character might be anything - a plain character, another unicode entity, the
opening of another markup tag.  Coding for the general case would be a real
PITA.  (I also tried just using the font tags without enclosing a character,
that is

    <p>Hell<font lang="el">&#333;</font><font language="en"></font>,
world.</p><p>Goodbye.</p>

Sadly this didn't work!

Any help, tips, pointers to documentation, or answers to the specific
questions above would be very gratefully received.

 
  Ben Rubinstein               |  Email: benr_mc at cogapp.com
  Cognitive Applications Ltd   |  Phone: +44 (0)1273-821600
  http://www.cogapp.com        |  Fax  : +44 (0)1273-728866


From index at kenjikojima.com  Wed Dec  8 10:40:01 2004
From: index at kenjikojima.com (Kenji Kojima)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 10:40:01 -0500
Subject: Wanted: idiot's guide to using Unicode in Rev
In-Reply-To: <BDDCBC2D.2583D%benr_mc@cogapp.com>
References: <BDDCBC2D.2583D%benr_mc@cogapp.com>
Message-ID: <6C48783C-492F-11D9-A140-000D9328738A@kenjikojima.com>

Ben,

Convert the whole field ascii to unicode.
Maybe this is the one of workarounds.
AsciiToUni was made by Kiyoshi Kamogawa.

on asciiToUni pFldName, pLang
   if pLang is "" then
     put ",japanese" into pLang
   end if
   put number of lines of fld pFldName into tNumOfLines
   lock screen
   repeat with i=1 to tNumOfLines
     put 0 into tNumOfChars
     repeat with h=1 to (number of chars of line i of fld pFldName)
       if (textFont of char h of line i of fld pFldName) contains "," 
then
         put tNumOfChars + 2 into tNumOfChars
         put h + 1 into h
       else
         put tNumOfChars + 2 into tNumOfChars
       end if
     end repeat
     repeat with j=1 to tNumOfChars
       if (textFont of char j of line i of fld pFldName) contains "," 
then
         put j + 1 into j
       else
         set useUnicode to true
         put uniEncode(char j of line i of fld pFldName) into tUniChar
         put tUniChar into char j of line i of fld pFldName
         set textFont of char j to j+1 of line i of fld pFldName to pLang
         set useUnicode to false
         put j+1 into j
       end if
     end repeat
   end repeat
end asciiToUni

--
Kenji Kojima
http://www.kenjikojima.com/


On 2004/12/08, at 9:11, Ben Rubinstein wrote:

> Thanks to Ron Barber for some helpful responses to my previous mail.  
> I'm
> making very slow and stumbling progress - still, progress!  Now I've 
> hit
> another area in which my incomprehension may be mixing with Rev bugs.
>
> Working with a field which has interited Geneva as it's font. Set the
> htmltext of a field to some text with a unicode character, eg
>     <p>Hell<font lang="el">&#333;</font>, world.</p><p>Goodbye.</p>
>
> Expected is a single unicode character (o-macron), in otherwise English
> text, ie
>         Hell<o-macron>, world.
>         Goodbye.
>
> Result is that all the text from the unicode character to the end of 
> the
> paragraph is displayed as Japanese characters, ie
>         Hell<o-macron><japananese characters>
>         Goodbye.
>
> I can construct the desired behaviour by inserting the character after 
> the
> rest of the text has been set; that is, first I set the field to the 
> text
>         Hello, world.
>         Goodbye.
>
> then execute the statements
>     put "<font lang=" & quote & "el" & quote & ">&#333;</font>" into x
>     set the htmlText of char 5 of fld 1 to x
>
> Then I get the desired appearance.  I then ask for the htmlText of the 
> whole
> field, I get the string I started with, that is
>     <p>Hell<font lang="el">&#333;</font>, world.</p><p>Goodbye.</p>
>
> In other words, setting the htmlText of the field to the htmlText of 
> the
> field changes it (rendering all the characters after the o-macron to
> japanese characters. Is this a bug?  Is it a known bug?  Is it in 
> bugzilla?
> Is there a workaround?
>
> Note that the same does not occur with unicodeText - eg given a field
> constructed as above, the statement
>     set the unicodeText of fld 1 to the unicodeText of fld 1
>
> doesn't change the text (but of course it does change any style 
> attributes,
> so this isn't by itself a solution to my problem.)
>
> Also note, attempted workaround: explicitly changing the font of the 
> next
> character works, ie setting the field to:
>
>     <p>Hell<font lang="el">&#333;</font><font language="en">,</font>
> world.</p><p>Goodbye.</p>
>
> so forcing the comma that immediately follows o-macron back to english
> works; but this isn't a great solution in my general case, as the next
> character might be anything - a plain character, another unicode 
> entity, the
> opening of another markup tag.  Coding for the general case would be a 
> real
> PITA.  (I also tried just using the font tags without enclosing a 
> character,
> that is
>
>     <p>Hell<font lang="el">&#333;</font><font language="en"></font>,
> world.</p><p>Goodbye.</p>
>
> Sadly this didn't work!
>
> Any help, tips, pointers to documentation, or answers to the specific
> questions above would be very gratefully received.
>
>
>   Ben Rubinstein               |  Email: benr_mc at cogapp.com
>   Cognitive Applications Ltd   |  Phone: +44 (0)1273-821600
>   http://www.cogapp.com        |  Fax  : +44 (0)1273-728866
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
>
>






From BNZ2 at CDC.GOV  Wed Dec  8 09:58:45 2004
From: BNZ2 at CDC.GOV (Lynch, Jonathan)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 09:58:45 -0500
Subject: Battery testing, volume booster
Message-ID: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A90EC5AC@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>

Can the volume boost be affected through VBScript, C, or Jscript?

If so, you could maybe create a script in Rev that does the following:

1) Checks to see if the relevant .vbs file (or whichever language you
use) is located in the same folder as your stack

2) if it is not found, then writes a .vbs file with the necessary
VBScript code

3) uses the shell command with the CScript command-line command to run
the VBScript

I am working on something like this to force a window to always stay on
the bottom level. I think this is probably a very difficult approach,
with many opportunities for odd problems - but it might work if nothing
else does.

-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Richard
Miller
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 7:01 PM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: Battery testing, volume booster

Thanks, Sarah. That seems to work fine. Much appreciated.

Still looking for ideas on the volume boost from anyone else.

Richard


On Dec 7, 2004, at 5:51 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

> Hi Richard,
>
>> Looking for ideas on how to accomplish two functions from within Rev:
>>
>> 1. Read the status of the internal battery (i.e. % charged);
>>
> I can't help with the volume boost, but here is the script I use for 
> reading the battery charge in an iBook. It requires the shell command 
> "battery" which you can download from 
> <http://www.mitt-eget.com/software/macosx/>. I couldn't get that link 
> to work this morning, so if you want the shell command, let me know 
> off-list and I can email you a copy.
> I put it into the "/usr/bin/" folder but you can put it anywhere you 
> like if you send the full path to the shell function. It can give you 
> a whole heap of info - run it in Terminal and check the help, but the 
> function below just returns the percent charge or "n/a" if there is no

> battery.
>
>
> -- check battery level using OS X shell command
> -- battery script needs to be in /usr/bin/
> --
> -- returns percent charge or "n/a"
> --
> function batteryLevel
>   if isOSX() then
>     put shell("battery csv") into tBatt
>     put last item of line 1 of tBatt into tPercent
>     put item 4 of tBatt into tFlags
>     if char 6 of tFlags = 0 then
>       -- no battery connected
>       put "n/a" into tPercent
>     end if
>   else
>     -- OS 9 can't use shell commands
>     put "n/a" into tPercent
>   end if
>   return tPercent
> end batteryLevel
>
> Cheers,
> Sarah
>
> _______________________________________________
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Dec  8 12:05:59 2004
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 09:05:59 -0800
Subject: Standalone Problems for OSX and OS9 apps
In-Reply-To: <BDDC9FD0.25812%benr_mc@cogapp.com>
References: <BDDC9FD0.25812%benr_mc@cogapp.com>
Message-ID: <41B73477.70302@fourthworld.com>

Ben Rubinstein wrote:
> As Trevor noted, it applies in Classic, not under
> true OS 9.
> 
> http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=379
> http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=1466
> http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=1468
> http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=2212
> 
> ...
> According to Tuviah's note on the latest of the above reports, the problem
> is in the development tool (CodeWarrior) that the Mac engine is built in, so
> RunRev can't fix it until Metrowerks fix that.  Which puts me in somwewhat
> of a biter bit situation, since there are a number of bugs in my products
> that I tell my users "I can't do anything about it until my development
> environment [rev] is fixed".  Now I know how they feel!

Why not just build them a native version for OS X?  They'll have a more 
consistent experience with the rest of the OS, and it'll perform better 
than running under the Classic layer.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com

From webmaster at dreamscapesoftware.com  Wed Dec  8 12:07:23 2004
From: webmaster at dreamscapesoftware.com (Derek Bump)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 11:07:23 -0600
Subject: using links on the web
References: <C69C98CC-48AF-11D9-8B14-000A958810A8@noos.fr>
Message-ID: <005701c4dd48$63ea2690$5363113f@DOWNSTAIRS>

> I have a MySQL database with a table associating a correct URL to each 
> "ABCDE", but I can't find a way to recover "ABCDE" as a variable and 
> send it to the database.

I believe this problem could be solved by including a base url in your html code on the web...

<base href="http://www.yourdomain.com/scripts/mycode.php">

A JavaScript would also do the trick, but I do not know what the code for that would be.
 

Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software
____________________________________________
Compress Images Easily with JPEGCompress
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com

From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Dec  8 12:38:38 2004
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 09:38:38 -0800
Subject: Reminder: Open Directory listing for Transcript
Message-ID: <41B73C1E.2060202@fourthworld.com>

I noticed there are still a great many valuable contributions to the Rev 
community not listed in Open Directory:

<http://dmoz.org/Computers/Programming/Languages/Transcript/>

Open Directory is the world's leading hand-edited web directory, whose 
contents help feed Goodle, Yahoo, and most other major search engines.

Listing your Rev tools and tutorials there helps you get more hits, and 
helps Rev get more visibility.

There's a link on the upper-right of that page to let you add your own 
stuff there -- it takes only a minute to do, and can be quite valuable 
to everyone who uses Rev or might like to.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  __________________________________________________
  Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev

From chipp at chipp.com  Wed Dec  8 13:01:55 2004
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 10:01:55 -0800
Subject: Wanted: idiot's guide to using Unicode in Rev
In-Reply-To: <BDDCBC2D.2583D%benr_mc@cogapp.com>
References: <BDDCBC2D.2583D%benr_mc@cogapp.com>
Message-ID: <41B74193.6010605@chipp.com>

Ben,

Maybe not so much help but a tip. I know there is in existence a 
Japanese Rev users group. Perhaps you can get some help there?

I don't know the URL but you may be able to Google it.

best,
Chipp

From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Wed Dec  8 12:59:08 2004
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 17:59:08 +0000
Subject: Standalone Problems for OSX and OS9 apps
In-Reply-To: <41B73477.70302@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <BDDCF16C.2586E%benr_mc@cogapp.com>

Richard wrote:
>> According to Tuviah's note on the latest of the above reports, the problem is
>> in the development tool (CodeWarrior) that the Mac engine is built in, so
>> RunRev can't fix it until Metrowerks fix that.  Which puts me in somwewhat of
>> a biter bit situation, since there are a number of bugs in my products that I
>> tell my users "I can't do anything about it until my development environment
>> [rev] is fixed".  Now I know how they feel!
> 
> Why not just build them a native version for OS X?  They'll have a more
> consistent experience with the rest of the OS, and it'll perform better
> than running under the Classic layer.

Sorry, I lacked clarity.  Two separate things.

- I have users actually running OS 9 for some of my tools.  I need to build
them a 'Classic' standalone.  The problem is I can't easily test it since my
development machine is MacOS X.  I sometimes literally have to reboot into
Classic - and when this machine packs up (can't be much longer now) I won't
even have that option.  Currently the weird situation is that I can more
easily test my Windows standalones (using VPC) than I can Classic ones.

- entirely separate, there are issues such as the - now fixed! - inability
to use file extensions in OS X, the consequences of which have been noted
and complained of by my users; to who I've given exactly the response that
Tuviah has had to for #2212.
 
  Ben Rubinstein               |  Email: benr_mc at cogapp.com
  Cognitive Applications Ltd   |  Phone: +44 (0)1273-821600
  http://www.cogapp.com        |  Fax  : +44 (0)1273-728866


From b.xavier at internet.lu  Wed Dec  8 13:08:54 2004
From: b.xavier at internet.lu (MisterX)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 19:08:54 +0100
Subject: Reminder: Open Directory listing for Transcript
In-Reply-To: <41B73C1E.2060202@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <20041208180016.C0695930080@mail.runrev.com>

Rich...

It would be nice and even more beneficial to have everyone post everyone's
links in their websites! Not all visitors we get on our webs are computer
geeks - but this will definitely branch them to the runrev cyberworldwide
"culture"....

Smatofactly (snippet for as a matter of fact), many of the links I visit
miss about 80% of the links related to RunRev. Very fu have taken the time
to just fill in 17 addresses at most! It's shameful compared to the help and
efforts that are just spilled all over this list, yet it has more value in
terms of marketing for new clients than the list has.

What about the 40 HC urls still lurking out there?

Food for Thought by UB40 - I can improvize on it since tonite on my midi
kbd!!!

Regards
Xav

> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com 
> [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of 
> Richard Gaskin
> Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 18:39
> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: Reminder: Open Directory listing for Transcript
> 
> I noticed there are still a great many valuable contributions 
> to the Rev community not listed in Open Directory:
> 
> <http://dmoz.org/Computers/Programming/Languages/Transcript/>
> 
> Open Directory is the world's leading hand-edited web 
> directory, whose contents help feed Goodle, Yahoo, and most 
> other major search engines.
> 
> Listing your Rev tools and tutorials there helps you get more 
> hits, and helps Rev get more visibility.
> 
> There's a link on the upper-right of that page to let you add 
> your own stuff there -- it takes only a minute to do, and can 
> be quite valuable to everyone who uses Rev or might like to.
> 
> --
>   Richard Gaskin
>   Fourth World Media Corporation
>   __________________________________________________
>   Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev 
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> 


From mfstuart at cox.net  Wed Dec  8 13:06:30 2004
From: mfstuart at cox.net (mfstuart at cox.net)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 13:06:30 -0500
Subject: DreamCard Player does not "play" my app
Message-ID: <20041208180632.DULH16894.fed1rmmtao01.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net>

Hi all,

My first time submitting to the mailing list...

I've created the MacAddict example at home, and everything works as it should.
I emailed the MAForum.rev file to work, then downloaded the DreamCard player.
I can open the app, but it doesn't "Load" the Categories from the web site, nor does it load the web page when clicking on the Forum list.

Can anyone help with this?

Thanx in advance,

Mark Stuart


From chipp at chipp.com  Wed Dec  8 13:08:12 2004
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 10:08:12 -0800
Subject: Battery testing, volume booster
In-Reply-To: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A90EC5AC@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
References: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A90EC5AC@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
Message-ID: <41B7430C.9030104@chipp.com>

Hi Jonathan,

You might throw some votes at Bugzilla Bug 704 "Keep window always in 
the background" - an enhancement request for a new window mode.

-Chipp

> I am working on something like this to force a window to always stay on
> the bottom level. I think this is probably a very difficult approach,
> with many opportunities for odd problems - but it might work if nothing
> else does.

From Meitnik at aol.com  Wed Dec  8 13:27:58 2004
From: Meitnik at aol.com (Meitnik at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 13:27:58 EST
Subject: interesting patent
Message-ID: <1cb.2d7c4839.2ee8a1ae@aol.com>

U.S. Patent Awarded for Pageflex's Flexible Template Technology

CAMBRIDGE, Mass.--(BUSINESS WIRE)----Pageflex (NASDAQ:BITS) 
(www.pageflex.com), the leading provider of variable data publishing and Web-to-print 
technology, today announced that the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office has awarded a 
patent for Pageflex's flexible template technology. 

 Pageflex template technology enables a document layout to "flex," 
accommodating variable content within sophisticated designer-specified guidelines. The 
Pageflex XML-based composition engine handles page content (text and images) 
separate from page form (layout). When the length or size of custom content is 
different than the size of the box the content is flowing into, the box can 
expand in either the horizontal or vertical direction (or both), to accommodate 
the content. Designer-specified rules determine the maximum and minimum 
dimensions, as well as behavior of the surrounding elements on the page. The result 
is the ability to define sophisticated templates that accommodate a wide range 
of variable content by flexing the page layout. Pageflex's U.S. patent 
includes all of these capabilities as well as additional claims for related 
capabilities. 

 "Pageflex solutions are founded on our unique flexible template technology," 
said Anna Chagnon, Pageflex CEO. "Receiving this patent is an important 
milestone as we accelerate on our growth plan, ensuring protection for our 
innovations that help our customers compete successfully." 

From europe at ehug.info  Wed Dec  8 13:29:10 2004
From: europe at ehug.info (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 19:29:10 +0100
Subject: DreamCard Player does not "play" my app
In-Reply-To: <20041208180632.DULH16894.fed1rmmtao01.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net>
References: <20041208180632.DULH16894.fed1rmmtao01.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net>
Message-ID: <41B747F6.2030006@ehug.info>

Hi Mark,

Congratulations. Probably, you got further than anyone else. I, 
for one, have never been able to get beyond the splash window.

A much better approach than using the DreamCard player is to 
create your own player with all the features you expect to need.


Best regards,

Mark


mfstuart at cox.net wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> My first time submitting to the mailing list...
> 
> I've created the MacAddict example at home, and everything works as it should.
> I emailed the MAForum.rev file to work, then downloaded the DreamCard player.
> I can open the app, but it doesn't "Load" the Categories from the web site, nor does it load the web page when clicking on the Forum list.
> 
> Can anyone help with this?
> 
> Thanx in advance,
> 
> Mark Stuart

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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Dec  8 13:31:29 2004
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 10:31:29 -0800
Subject: Reminder: Open Directory listing for Transcript
In-Reply-To: <20041208180016.C0695930080@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20041208180016.C0695930080@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <41B74881.1000004@fourthworld.com>

MisterX wrote:
>>-----Original Message-----
>><http://dmoz.org/Computers/Programming/Languages/Transcript/>
>>
>>Open Directory is the world's leading hand-edited web 
>>directory, whose contents help feed Goodle, Yahoo, and most 
>>other major search engines.
>>
>>Listing your Rev tools and tutorials there helps you get more 
>>hits, and helps Rev get more visibility.
> 
> It would be nice and even more beneficial to have everyone post everyone's
> links in their websites!

Replicate the Open Directory effort on every Rev site?

Open Directory is truly open -- you can include feeds from it into your 
site, so if you want to provide those listings at your own Rev site you 
can just use this one master resource and there's no re-inventing that 
wheel.

As soon as the DMOZ listing gets as complete as mine I'll replace mine 
with it in a heartbeat.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  __________________________________________________
  Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev

From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Dec  8 13:37:22 2004
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 10:37:22 -0800
Subject: DreamCard Player does not "play" my app
In-Reply-To: <41B747F6.2030006@ehug.info>
References: <20041208180632.DULH16894.fed1rmmtao01.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net>
	<41B747F6.2030006@ehug.info>
Message-ID: <41B749E2.7080203@fourthworld.com>

Mark Schonewille wrote:
> A much better approach than using the DreamCard player is to create your 
> own player with all the features you expect to need.

It's in RunRev's interest to make that unnecessary.

A good player is the second most important external communications tool 
after their web site.  They wouldn't let the web site lie broken, and 
hopefully they're prioritizing fixes to the player accordingly.

Please send feedback to RunRev on what you need from a player that isn't 
currently addressed, and post bug reports to Bugzilla.

The player is critical to the core mission.  It would be better not to 
have one at all than one that's weak enough to motivate folks to build 
their own.  Let's hope that doesn't have to happen:  with your feedback 
there's an opportunity to spruce it up into something you'll enjoy using.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  __________________________________________________
  Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev

From revlist at cableone.net  Wed Dec  8 13:59:08 2004
From: revlist at cableone.net (Chris Sheffield)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 11:59:08 -0700
Subject: slightly OT - list of processes under Windows
Message-ID: <000801c4dd57$ff8eac10$64fea8c0@chris1>

Hi All,

I need a command that I can use with the shell() function to list all
running processes on Windows 2000 and Windows XP.  Actually, I found
"tasklist" for Windows XP, but this does not work on Windows 2000.  Does
anyone know of something similar that can be used for that version of
Windows?

Thanks,

Chris Sheffield
Software Development
Read Naturally


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From fde101 at fjrhome.net  Wed Dec  8 13:59:31 2004
From: fde101 at fjrhome.net (Frank D. Engel, Jr.)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 13:59:31 -0500
Subject: Windows standalone two handlers separated
In-Reply-To: <C2C12CD1-48F2-11D9-AD6F-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>
References: <14C0C19C-48E5-11D9-BEDC-000393DD0724@earthlink.net>
	<C2C12CD1-48F2-11D9-AD6F-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <4B00D9C2-494B-11D9-8C08-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>


On Dec 8, 2004, at 3:25 AM, Klaus Major wrote:

> Hi Andrew,
>
>> btw: unrelated thing: if I have a wav file in my stack, how do I
>> a. find out how big it is
>
> Sorry, no idea...

It's listed as a column in the Application Browser (at least it is in 
2.5).

It is also displayed in the property inspector for the clip.

Or you may check the 'size' property of the audio clip.


All of these give values in bytes.

-----------------------------------------------------------
Frank D. Engel, Jr.  <fde101 at fjrhome.net>

$ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
$ true | cat /usr/manual | grep "John 3:16"
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten 
Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have 
everlasting life.
$



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From b.xavier at internet.lu  Wed Dec  8 14:16:02 2004
From: b.xavier at internet.lu (MisterX)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 20:16:02 +0100
Subject: slightly OT - list of processes under Windows
In-Reply-To: <000801c4dd57$ff8eac10$64fea8c0@chris1>
Message-ID: <20041208190724.204A09300D4@mail.runrev.com>

try pstools from sysinternals.com

pslist for apps
pskill for X)
psfile for files opened

it's free

cheers
Xavier

> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com 
> [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of 
> Chris Sheffield
> Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 19:59
> To: RevList
> Subject: slightly OT - list of processes under Windows
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> I need a command that I can use with the shell() function to 
> list all running processes on Windows 2000 and Windows XP.  
> Actually, I found "tasklist" for Windows XP, but this does 
> not work on Windows 2000.  Does anyone know of something 
> similar that can be used for that version of Windows?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Chris Sheffield
> Software Development
> Read Naturally
> 
> 
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From fde101 at fjrhome.net  Wed Dec  8 14:28:57 2004
From: fde101 at fjrhome.net (Frank D. Engel, Jr.)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 14:28:57 -0500
Subject: using links on the web
In-Reply-To: <005701c4dd48$63ea2690$5363113f@DOWNSTAIRS>
References: <C69C98CC-48AF-11D9-8B14-000A958810A8@noos.fr>
	<005701c4dd48$63ea2690$5363113f@DOWNSTAIRS>
Message-ID: <67CC1E01-494F-11D9-8C08-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>

Another possibility is to do the conversion within Rev, something like 
this (untested code; note the lookupURL function -- it should be 
obvious what that is meant to do):

put empty into z
repeat for each line x in the htmlText of field "Input"
   put x into y
   put offset("<a href=" & quote, y) into i
   repeat while i is not 0
     put i+8 into j
     put offset(quote, y, j) into r
     put lookupURL(char j to (r-1) of y) into newURL
     put newURL into char j to (r-1) of y
     add length(newURL)-(r-j) to r
     put offset("<a href=" & quote, y, r) into i
   end repeat
   put y after z
end repeat

put z into field "Output"

On Dec 8, 2004, at 12:07 PM, Derek Bump wrote:

>> I have a MySQL database with a table associating a correct URL to each
>> "ABCDE", but I can't find a way to recover "ABCDE" as a variable and
>> send it to the database.
>
> I believe this problem could be solved by including a base url in your 
> html code on the web...
>
> <base href="http://www.yourdomain.com/scripts/mycode.php">
>
> A JavaScript would also do the trick, but I do not know what the code 
> for that would be.
>
>
> Derek Bump
> Dreamscape Software
> ____________________________________________
> Compress Images Easily with JPEGCompress
> http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
-----------------------------------------------------------
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$ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
$ true | cat /usr/manual | grep "John 3:16"
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten 
Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have 
everlasting life.
$



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From fde101 at fjrhome.net  Wed Dec  8 14:37:45 2004
From: fde101 at fjrhome.net (Frank D. Engel, Jr.)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 14:37:45 -0500
Subject: interesting patent
In-Reply-To: <1cb.2d7c4839.2ee8a1ae@aol.com>
References: <1cb.2d7c4839.2ee8a1ae@aol.com>
Message-ID: <A221E373-4950-11D9-8C08-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>

Hmm.. sounds like something other programs have been doing for a long 
time already.  Take FileMaker Pro, for example...

I wonder if the patent is actually valid?

On Dec 8, 2004, at 1:27 PM, Meitnik at aol.com wrote:

> U.S. Patent Awarded for Pageflex's Flexible Template Technology
>
> CAMBRIDGE, Mass.--(BUSINESS WIRE)----Pageflex (NASDAQ:BITS)
> (www.pageflex.com), the leading provider of variable data publishing 
> and Web-to-print
> technology, today announced that the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office 
> has awarded a
> patent for Pageflex's flexible template technology.
>
>  Pageflex template technology enables a document layout to "flex,"
> accommodating variable content within sophisticated designer-specified 
> guidelines. The
> Pageflex XML-based composition engine handles page content (text and 
> images)
> separate from page form (layout). When the length or size of custom 
> content is
> different than the size of the box the content is flowing into, the 
> box can
> expand in either the horizontal or vertical direction (or both), to 
> accommodate
> the content. Designer-specified rules determine the maximum and minimum
> dimensions, as well as behavior of the surrounding elements on the 
> page. The result
> is the ability to define sophisticated templates that accommodate a 
> wide range
> of variable content by flexing the page layout. Pageflex's U.S. patent
> includes all of these capabilities as well as additional claims for 
> related
> capabilities.
>
>  "Pageflex solutions are founded on our unique flexible template 
> technology,"
> said Anna Chagnon, Pageflex CEO. "Receiving this patent is an important
> milestone as we accelerate on our growth plan, ensuring protection for 
> our
> innovations that help our customers compete successfully."
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
>
-----------------------------------------------------------
Frank D. Engel, Jr.  <fde101 at fjrhome.net>

$ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
$ true | cat /usr/manual | grep "John 3:16"
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten 
Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have 
everlasting life.
$



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From gwalias-rev at yahoo.com  Wed Dec  8 14:44:40 2004
From: gwalias-rev at yahoo.com (Gordon)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 11:44:40 -0800 (PST)
Subject: interesting patent
In-Reply-To: <1cb.2d7c4839.2ee8a1ae@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20041208194440.41786.qmail@web51101.mail.yahoo.com>

Dear Revolutionaries

I have glanced over this patent at the USPTO's web
site. The original filing seems to date back to
November 1999 and the 74 claims describe a flexible
document layout system that outwardly resembles the
kind of sequential, nested, vertical and horizontal
layout controls of the kind used by the GTK graphics
interface. In addition to altering the geometry of the
components on the page, there are dependent claims
that also allow for alteration of the form and
contents of each component.

As examples of the scope of the patent, claims 1 & 8
are interesting - I have reproduced them below.

NB: I am NOT an attorney NOR am I a patent agent so
all opinions expressed herein are utterly worthless
and are for entertainment purposes only (Yikes! I
sound like one of those Psychic Hotlines -
1-800-YOUR-DESTINY)

Best

Gordon


Here is claim 1:
1. A computerized method of laying out a document
containing a combination of text and shape elements,
said method comprising:

providing a user interface with controls for enabling
a user to:

place a sequence box, which has a sequencing axis, in
the document;

cause one or more shape elements to be located in the
sequence box;

cause a shape element, including one in the sequence
box having at least one text or shape element as
contents, to have a minimize property in at least one
dimension; and

cause a shape element, including one in the sequence
box, to have a maximize property in at least one
dimension; and

performing an automatic layout process in which
elements of the document are laid out onto a
2-dimensional area in which each such element is given
a precise position and size, including:

arranging shape elements, if any, placed within the
sequence box in a sequence along the sequence box's
sequencing axis;

minimizing the size given to any shape element which
has the minimize property in a given dimension,
including any shape element within the sequence box,
by making the element as small as its contents, if
any, will allow in the given dimension, over a given
length range; and

maximizing the size given to any shape element which
has the maximize property in a given dimension by
making the element expand to encompass space available
in the given dimension, over a given length range,
said maximizing including, if the maximized shape
element is within the sequence box, expanding it to
encompass space available within the sequence box.

Here is the dependent claim 8:
8. A method as in claim 1 wherein:

said interface is a WYSIWYG graphical user interface
which allows a user to select the placement of said
sequence box and the shape elements within it,
including allowing a user to use a pointing device to
create, position and size said shape elements; and

said layout process is performed interactively in
response to changes made to the document by the user
with said graphical user interface, to enable the user
to see a screen display of the layout of the document
showing any changes the user has just made to the
document.

--- Meitnik at aol.com wrote:

> U.S. Patent Awarded for Pageflex's Flexible Template
> Technology
> 
> CAMBRIDGE, Mass.--(BUSINESS WIRE)----Pageflex
> (NASDAQ:BITS) 
> (www.pageflex.com), the leading provider of variable
> data publishing and Web-to-print 
> technology, today announced that the U.S. Patent and
> Trademark Office has awarded a 
> patent for Pageflex's flexible template technology. 
> 
>  Pageflex template technology enables a document
> layout to "flex," 
> accommodating variable content within sophisticated
> designer-specified guidelines. The 
> Pageflex XML-based composition engine handles page
> content (text and images) 
> separate from page form (layout). When the length or
> size of custom content is 
> different than the size of the box the content is
> flowing into, the box can 
> expand in either the horizontal or vertical
> direction (or both), to accommodate 
> the content. Designer-specified rules determine the
> maximum and minimum 
> dimensions, as well as behavior of the surrounding
> elements on the page. The result 
> is the ability to define sophisticated templates
> that accommodate a wide range 
> of variable content by flexing the page layout.
> Pageflex's U.S. patent 
> includes all of these capabilities as well as
> additional claims for related 
> capabilities. 
> 
>  "Pageflex solutions are founded on our unique
> flexible template technology," 
> said Anna Chagnon, Pageflex CEO. "Receiving this
> patent is an important 
> milestone as we accelerate on our growth plan,
> ensuring protection for our 
> innovations that help our customers compete
> successfully." 
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> 


=====
:::::::::: Gordon Webster ::::::::::

From kee at kagi.com  Wed Dec  8 14:49:25 2004
From: kee at kagi.com (kee nethery)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 11:49:25 -0800
Subject: interesting patent
In-Reply-To: <A221E373-4950-11D9-8C08-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>
References: <1cb.2d7c4839.2ee8a1ae@aol.com>
	<A221E373-4950-11D9-8C08-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>
Message-ID: <436ECD6E-4952-11D9-9B04-000A959B2940@kagi.com>


On Dec 8, 2004, at 11:37 AM, Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote:

> Hmm.. sounds like something other programs have been doing for a long 
> time already.  Take FileMaker Pro, for example...
>
> I wonder if the patent is actually valid?

if it is issued it is valid. Does someone who cares have prior art that 
would invalidate the patent and does someone who cares and has enough 
money to invalidate it know about that prior art. That's the big 
question. If issued, it is valid.

Kee Nethery


From revlist at cableone.net  Wed Dec  8 14:50:30 2004
From: revlist at cableone.net (Chris Sheffield)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 12:50:30 -0700
Subject: slightly OT - list of processes under Windows
In-Reply-To: <20041208190724.204A09300D4@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <000901c4dd5f$2c9c2a00$64fea8c0@chris1>

Perfect!  Thanks, I knew there had to be something. :-)

Chris Sheffield
Software Development
Read Naturally


-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of MisterX
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 12:16 PM
To: 'How to use Revolution'
Subject: RE: slightly OT - list of processes under Windows

try pstools from sysinternals.com

pslist for apps
pskill for X)
psfile for files opened

it's free

cheers
Xavier

> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com 
> [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of 
> Chris Sheffield
> Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 19:59
> To: RevList
> Subject: slightly OT - list of processes under Windows
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> I need a command that I can use with the shell() function to 
> list all running processes on Windows 2000 and Windows XP.  
> Actually, I found "tasklist" for Windows XP, but this does 
> not work on Windows 2000.  Does anyone know of something 
> similar that can be used for that version of Windows?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Chris Sheffield
> Software Development
> Read Naturally
> 
> 
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From david at kwinter.ca  Wed Dec  8 14:58:15 2004
From: david at kwinter.ca (David Kwinter)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 11:58:15 -0800
Subject: interesting patent
References: 	<1cb.2d7c4839.2ee8a1ae@aol.com><A221E373-4950-11D9-8C08-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>
	<436ECD6E-4952-11D9-9B04-000A959B2940@kagi.com>
Message-ID: <002001c4dd60$41852420$6601a8c0@davidvq5o4w7vw>

Software patents hinder progress and favor large-caps which can afford the 
legal battles such patents beg for

http://www.nosoftwarepatents.com/


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "kee nethery" <kee at kagi.com>
To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: interesting patent


>
> On Dec 8, 2004, at 11:37 AM, Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote:
>
>> Hmm.. sounds like something other programs have been doing for a long 
>> time already.  Take FileMaker Pro, for example...
>>
>> I wonder if the patent is actually valid?
>
> if it is issued it is valid. Does someone who cares have prior art that 
> would invalidate the patent and does someone who cares and has enough 
> money to invalidate it know about that prior art. That's the big question. 
> If issued, it is valid.
>
> Kee Nethery
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> 


From BNZ2 at CDC.GOV  Wed Dec  8 14:59:15 2004
From: BNZ2 at CDC.GOV (Lynch, Jonathan)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 14:59:15 -0500
Subject: interesting patent
Message-ID: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A9469E07@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>

Is RunRev patented?

-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of David
Kwinter
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 2:58 PM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: interesting patent

Software patents hinder progress and favor large-caps which can afford
the 
legal battles such patents beg for

http://www.nosoftwarepatents.com/


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "kee nethery" <kee at kagi.com>
To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: interesting patent


>
> On Dec 8, 2004, at 11:37 AM, Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote:
>
>> Hmm.. sounds like something other programs have been doing for a long

>> time already.  Take FileMaker Pro, for example...
>>
>> I wonder if the patent is actually valid?
>
> if it is issued it is valid. Does someone who cares have prior art
that 
> would invalidate the patent and does someone who cares and has enough 
> money to invalidate it know about that prior art. That's the big
question. 
> If issued, it is valid.
>
> Kee Nethery
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Dec  8 15:06:10 2004
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 14:06:10 -0600
Subject: Setting fonts to be different in OSX and Windows
In-Reply-To: <20041207231111.36035.qmail@web50906.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20041207231111.36035.qmail@web50906.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <41B75EB2.3000700@hyperactivesw.com>

On 12/7/04 5:11 PM, Anna Shn wrote:

> Hello again! and thank you for your responses! I have some questions
> about how to actually implement your suggestions:
> 
> Jacqueline Gay, you said:
> 
>>> Another way that sometimes works is to have a handler check >>the
>>> platform that is running, and set the font size in Windows a
>>> >>bit smaller than it is on a Mac. You can do this in a
>>> >>preOpenCard handler if the changes affect only that card, or
>>> >>do it more generally in a preOpenStack handler if the changes
>>> >>need to be widespread. For example, set the textsize to 12 on
>>> >>Mac and 11 on Windows.
> 
> 
> What is preOpenCard/Stack and how do I access these items to change
> them?

OpenStack and PreOpenStack are system messages that are sent whenever a 
stack opens. You can look up these terms in the dictionary. Just as 
mouseUp is a system message that is sent whenever the user clicks the 
mouse, you can write an openStack or preOpenStack handler to catch those 
events too. Whatever commands you place into these handlers will execute 
when the stack opens.

You can also look up the "platform" function in the dictionary. This 
function tells you what OS is running. You would check the platform to 
see if your stack is running on a Windows or Mac machine, and make font 
changes as needed depending on the OS.

For example:

on preOpenStack
  put the platform into pPlat
  if pPlat = "win32" then
    set the textsize of fld 1 of cd 1 to 12
  else if pPlat = "macos" then
    set the textsize of fld 1 of cd 1 to 14
  end if
end preOpenStack

You'll want to expand the text-setting commands to match your stack 
requirements. This handler will run every time the stack opens.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com

From gwalias-rev at yahoo.com  Wed Dec  8 15:09:54 2004
From: gwalias-rev at yahoo.com (Gordon)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 12:09:54 -0800 (PST)
Subject: interesting patent
In-Reply-To: <436ECD6E-4952-11D9-9B04-000A959B2940@kagi.com>
Message-ID: <20041208200954.30859.qmail@web51105.mail.yahoo.com>

The word "valid" is misleading here.

If a patent has issued it is "valid" in the sense that
its owners can drag you before a judge if they have a
case that you are infringing the patent - but the real
"validity" of the patent only becomes apparent at this
point. Many "valid" issued patents turn out not to be
worth the paper they are written on because they are
so poorly crafted that they are indefensible under
examination in a litigtaion process.

Patent examiners are obliged to check the facts as far
as they are able and if they find no impediment to the
patent issuing (existence of prior art, obviousness,
adequate disclosure to suport the claims etc. etc.
etc.) they will issue the patent - but ultimately, the
scope and effectiveness of the patent in assuring
exclusivity for its inventors within a particular
domain of activity, is never really known until it is
challenged in court.

BTW: I work in biotech, where "valid" issued patents
fall like flies in the legal bugzapper.

Best

Gordon

--- kee nethery <kee at kagi.com> wrote:

> 
> On Dec 8, 2004, at 11:37 AM, Frank D. Engel, Jr.
> wrote:
> 
> > Hmm.. sounds like something other programs have
> been doing for a long 
> > time already.  Take FileMaker Pro, for example...
> >
> > I wonder if the patent is actually valid?
> 
> if it is issued it is valid. Does someone who cares
> have prior art that 
> would invalidate the patent and does someone who
> cares and has enough 
> money to invalidate it know about that prior art.
> That's the big 
> question. If issued, it is valid.
> 
> Kee Nethery
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> 


=====
:::::::::: Gordon Webster ::::::::::

From BNZ2 at CDC.GOV  Wed Dec  8 15:12:59 2004
From: BNZ2 at CDC.GOV (Lynch, Jonathan)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 15:12:59 -0500
Subject: interesting patent
Message-ID: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A9469E08@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>

My understanding is that for many, the point of getting a patent is not
even to prevent others from using the technology - it may well be too
broadly defined or have other problems. However, if you have a patent,
it guarantees your right to use what you patented - so others cannot
patent the idea later and (if they win in court) keep you from using it.

-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Gordon
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 3:10 PM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: interesting patent

The word "valid" is misleading here.

If a patent has issued it is "valid" in the sense that
its owners can drag you before a judge if they have a
case that you are infringing the patent - but the real
"validity" of the patent only becomes apparent at this
point. Many "valid" issued patents turn out not to be
worth the paper they are written on because they are
so poorly crafted that they are indefensible under
examination in a litigtaion process.

Patent examiners are obliged to check the facts as far
as they are able and if they find no impediment to the
patent issuing (existence of prior art, obviousness,
adequate disclosure to suport the claims etc. etc.
etc.) they will issue the patent - but ultimately, the
scope and effectiveness of the patent in assuring
exclusivity for its inventors within a particular
domain of activity, is never really known until it is
challenged in court.

BTW: I work in biotech, where "valid" issued patents
fall like flies in the legal bugzapper.

Best

Gordon

--- kee nethery <kee at kagi.com> wrote:

> 
> On Dec 8, 2004, at 11:37 AM, Frank D. Engel, Jr.
> wrote:
> 
> > Hmm.. sounds like something other programs have
> been doing for a long 
> > time already.  Take FileMaker Pro, for example...
> >
> > I wonder if the patent is actually valid?
> 
> if it is issued it is valid. Does someone who cares
> have prior art that 
> would invalidate the patent and does someone who
> cares and has enough 
> money to invalidate it know about that prior art.
> That's the big 
> question. If issued, it is valid.
> 
> Kee Nethery
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> 


=====
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From hershrev at realtorsgroup.us  Wed Dec  8 15:08:54 2004
From: hershrev at realtorsgroup.us (Hershel Fisch)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 15:08:54 -0500
Subject: testing on case
Message-ID: <FC9B7222-4954-11D9-933E-0030654C1E62@realtorsgroup.us>

HI , all
  how do I test on the case of a word of a line ?
Thanks, Hershel


From fde101 at fjrhome.net  Wed Dec  8 15:19:36 2004
From: fde101 at fjrhome.net (Frank D. Engel, Jr.)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 15:19:36 -0500
Subject: testing on case
In-Reply-To: <FC9B7222-4954-11D9-933E-0030654C1E62@realtorsgroup.us>
References: <FC9B7222-4954-11D9-933E-0030654C1E62@realtorsgroup.us>
Message-ID: <7B2C41B2-4956-11D9-8C08-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>

What kind of test do you have in mind?

word 4 of line 5
the first word of line 6
the last word of the first line

"hello" is among the words of the last line
word 3 of line 6 is not word 2 of line 9

On Dec 8, 2004, at 3:08 PM, Hershel Fisch wrote:

> HI , all
>  how do I test on the case of a word of a line ?
> Thanks, Hershel
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
>
-----------------------------------------------------------
Frank D. Engel, Jr.  <fde101 at fjrhome.net>

$ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
$ true | cat /usr/manual | grep "John 3:16"
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten 
Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have 
everlasting life.
$



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From hershrev at realtorsgroup.us  Wed Dec  8 15:19:23 2004
From: hershrev at realtorsgroup.us (Hershel Fisch)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 15:19:23 -0500
Subject: testing on case
In-Reply-To: <7B2C41B2-4956-11D9-8C08-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>
Message-ID: <730B8C33-4956-11D9-933E-0030654C1E62@realtorsgroup.us>

Sorry , meant "upper or lower case" (was to engaged in the work)
On Wednesday, December 8, 2004, at 03:19 PM, Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote:

> What kind of test do you have in mind?
>
> word 4 of line 5
> the first word of line 6
> the last word of the first line
>
> "hello" is among the words of the last line
> word 3 of line 6 is not word 2 of line 9
>
> On Dec 8, 2004, at 3:08 PM, Hershel Fisch wrote:
>
>> HI , all
>>  how do I test on the case of a word of a line ?
>> Thanks, Hershel
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>>
>>
> -----------------------------------------------------------
> Frank D. Engel, Jr.  <fde101 at fjrhome.net>
>
> $ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
> $ true | cat /usr/manual | grep "John 3:16"
> John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten 
> Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have 
> everlasting life.
> $
>
>
>
> ___________________________________________________________
> $0 Web Hosting with up to 120MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer
> 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more.
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From dsc at swcp.com  Wed Dec  8 15:28:57 2004
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 13:28:57 -0700
Subject: testing on case
In-Reply-To: <FC9B7222-4954-11D9-933E-0030654C1E62@realtorsgroup.us>
References: <FC9B7222-4954-11D9-933E-0030654C1E62@realtorsgroup.us>
Message-ID: <C99EEEB4-4957-11D9-B50C-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>


On Dec 8, 2004, at 1:08 PM, Hershel Fisch wrote:

>  how do I test on the case of a word of a line ?

Untested:

function isCapitalized @x, n, m
     constant capitalLetters = "ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ"
     return char 1 word n of line m of x is in capitalLetters
end isCapitalized

If that misses the mark, consider matchText().

Dar
****************************************
     Dar Scott Consulting
     http://www.swcp.com/dsc/
     Programming Services
****************************************


From gizmotron at earthlink.net  Wed Dec  8 15:48:02 2004
From: gizmotron at earthlink.net (Mark Brownell)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 12:48:02 -0800
Subject: interesting patent
In-Reply-To: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A9469E08@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
Message-ID: <73EA3277-495A-11D9-A798-000A95743F7A@earthlink.net>


On Wednesday, December 8, 2004, at 12:12 PM, Lynch, Jonathan wrote:

> My understanding is that for many, the point of getting a patent is not
> even to prevent others from using the technology - it may well be too
> broadly defined or have other problems. However, if you have a patent,
> it guarantees your right to use what you patented - so others cannot
> patent the idea later and (if they win in court) keep you from using 
> it.

Prior art and ? Copyright  also give you freedom to protect yourself. 
This company is a member of W3 consortium and they are using SGML - XML 
which is a markup language. You can't patent a markup language. It's 
too late. It's been blown out of the water by prior art.

I guess they have patented the process that occurs after parsing the 
markup language. It must be highly defendable as an application example 
with regards to copyright.

Interesting idea though.

my 2 cents

Mark


From dsc at swcp.com  Wed Dec  8 15:46:24 2004
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 13:46:24 -0700
Subject: testing on case
In-Reply-To: <C99EEEB4-4957-11D9-B50C-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
References: <FC9B7222-4954-11D9-933E-0030654C1E62@realtorsgroup.us>
	<C99EEEB4-4957-11D9-B50C-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <39CE38AA-495A-11D9-B50C-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>


On Dec 8, 2004, at 1:28 PM, Dar Scott wrote:

> Untested:
>
> function isCapitalized @x, n, m
>     constant capitalLetters = "ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ"
>     return char 1 word n of line m of x is in capitalLetters
> end isCapitalized

Whoops!

on mouseUp
   put "one two three" & lf & "Alpha beta" into x
   put isCapitalized(x,2,1) && isCapitalized(x,1,2)
end mouseUp

function isCapitalized @x, n, m
   constant capitalLetters = "ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ"
   set the caseSensitive to true
   return char 1 word n of line m of x is in capitalLetters
end isCapitalized

Now tested.

Dar
****************************************
     Dar Scott Consulting
     http://www.swcp.com/dsc/
     Programming Services
****************************************


From rbarber at yhb.att.ne.jp  Wed Dec  8 15:54:54 2004
From: rbarber at yhb.att.ne.jp (ron barber)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 14:54:54 -0600
Subject: Wanted: idiot's guide to using Unicode in Rev
In-Reply-To: <41B74193.6010605@chipp.com>
References: <BDDCBC2D.2583D%benr_mc@cogapp.com> <41B74193.6010605@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <69BA980F-495B-11D9-AB6F-000A95DAEEF0@yhb.att.ne.jp>

Hi

Group URL  : 
http://www.egroups.co.jp/group/Runtime_Revolution_Users_Japan/
Group Owner: mailto:Runtime_Revolution_Users_Japan-owner at egroups.co.jp

Help URL   : http://help.yahoo.co.jp/help/jp/groups/

Ron

On Dec 8, 2004, at 12:01 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:

> Ben,
>
> Maybe not so much help but a tip. I know there is in existence a 
> Japanese Rev users group. Perhaps you can get some help there?
>
> I don't know the URL but you may be able to Google it.
>
> best,
> Chipp
> _______________________________________________
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>


From gwalias-rev at yahoo.com  Wed Dec  8 16:04:37 2004
From: gwalias-rev at yahoo.com (Gordon)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 13:04:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: interesting patent
In-Reply-To: <73EA3277-495A-11D9-A798-000A95743F7A@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20041208210437.51474.qmail@web51108.mail.yahoo.com>

There seem to be some misconceptions about what
patents are for:

A U.S. patent as defined in section 35 of the U.S.
code does NOT assure the inventors of the right to
practice. It guarantees their exclusivity to practice
within the scope of the patent claims, for the
lifetime of the patent. 

If that sounds confusing, here's a real-world example
that I am personally familiar with:

The use of a particular, naturally ocurring protein
for treating a given disease is covered by someone
else's patent, but I modify the protein (in some
non-obvious way) such that in addition to treating the
disease, it now has some new properties (perhaps it is
less toxic or it tastes like strawberries). It is a
new form of matter with novel properties and therefore
patentable. 

However, I would still need to obtain a license for
the original patent to use my own modified protein for
treating the disease in question, since that utility
falls under the scope of their claims. The original
patent holders would in turn have to license my patent
to be able to use my new protein to treat this same
disease, so that their improved treatment could
benefit from the properties of being less toxic or
tasting like strawberries, which are covered under the
scope of my claims.

This actually happens all the time in the
biotechnology sector.

I hope this is helpful

Best

Gordon

--- Mark Brownell <gizmotron at earthlink.net> wrote:

> 
> On Wednesday, December 8, 2004, at 12:12 PM, Lynch,
> Jonathan wrote:
> 
> > My understanding is that for many, the point of
> getting a patent is not
> > even to prevent others from using the technology -
> it may well be too
> > broadly defined or have other problems. However,
> if you have a patent,
> > it guarantees your right to use what you patented
> - so others cannot
> > patent the idea later and (if they win in court)
> keep you from using 
> > it.
> 
> Prior art and ? Copyright  also give you freedom to
> protect yourself. 
> This company is a member of W3 consortium and they
> are using SGML - XML 
> which is a markup language. You can't patent a
> markup language. It's 
> too late. It's been blown out of the water by prior
> art.
> 
> I guess they have patented the process that occurs
> after parsing the 
> markup language. It must be highly defendable as an
> application example 
> with regards to copyright.
> 
> Interesting idea though.
> 
> my 2 cents
> 
> Mark
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> 


=====
:::::::::: Gordon Webster ::::::::::

From hershrev at realtorsgroup.us  Wed Dec  8 16:09:43 2004
From: hershrev at realtorsgroup.us (Hershel Fisch)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 16:09:43 -0500
Subject: testing on case
In-Reply-To: <39CE38AA-495A-11D9-B50C-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <7B2FB2AA-495D-11D9-933E-0030654C1E62@realtorsgroup.us>

Thanks, I think its a bit to much when I wanted it to set up query's , 
too many functions involved. I hoped that there is a
if param(x) "is upperCase" then put xxx  else put x
On Wednesday, December 8, 2004, at 03:46 PM, Dar Scott wrote:

>
> On Dec 8, 2004, at 1:28 PM, Dar Scott wrote:
>
>> Untested:
>>
>> function isCapitalized @x, n, m
>>     constant capitalLetters = "ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ"
>>     return char 1 word n of line m of x is in capitalLetters
>> end isCapitalized
>
> Whoops!
>
> on mouseUp
>   put "one two three" & lf & "Alpha beta" into x
>   put isCapitalized(x,2,1) && isCapitalized(x,1,2)
> end mouseUp
>
> function isCapitalized @x, n, m
>   constant capitalLetters = "ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ"
>   set the caseSensitive to true
>   return char 1 word n of line m of x is in capitalLetters
> end isCapitalized
>
> Now tested.
>
> Dar
> ****************************************
>     Dar Scott Consulting
>     http://www.swcp.com/dsc/
>     Programming Services
> ****************************************
>
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From b.xavier at internet.lu  Wed Dec  8 16:40:19 2004
From: b.xavier at internet.lu (MisterX)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 22:40:19 +0100
Subject: interesting patent
In-Reply-To: <20041208210437.51474.qmail@web51108.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20041208213142.9C03D930058@mail.runrev.com>

way back in industrial economics we learned that
all patents are contournable... and since their
life is limited... 

What protection is there?
- 1st comers get 35% of the market
- barriers to entry (heavy duty investments in finacial or technogical
terms)

When I was writing my quantum codec algoritm I
found out a worldwide patent is worth 100,000 $/EUs... 

who, here, can affort that?

But if you get one client, it can be worth it...
Besides, the method is restricted to xml and some
obscure process. Just show prior art to save your
ass and voila. Patents are however legally defendeable

X

> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com 
> [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Gordon
> Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 22:05
> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: Re: interesting patent
> 
> There seem to be some misconceptions about what patents are for:
> 
> A U.S. patent as defined in section 35 of the U.S.
> code does NOT assure the inventors of the right to practice. 
> It guarantees their exclusivity to practice within the scope 
> of the patent claims, for the lifetime of the patent. 
> 
> If that sounds confusing, here's a real-world example that I 
> am personally familiar with:
> 
> The use of a particular, naturally ocurring protein for 
> treating a given disease is covered by someone else's patent, 
> but I modify the protein (in some non-obvious way) such that 
> in addition to treating the disease, it now has some new 
> properties (perhaps it is less toxic or it tastes like 
> strawberries). It is a new form of matter with novel 
> properties and therefore patentable. 
> 
> However, I would still need to obtain a license for the 
> original patent to use my own modified protein for treating 
> the disease in question, since that utility falls under the 
> scope of their claims. The original patent holders would in 
> turn have to license my patent to be able to use my new 
> protein to treat this same disease, so that their improved 
> treatment could benefit from the properties of being less 
> toxic or tasting like strawberries, which are covered under 
> the scope of my claims.
> 
> This actually happens all the time in the biotechnology sector.
> 
> I hope this is helpful
> 
> Best
> 
> Gordon
> 
> --- Mark Brownell <gizmotron at earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > On Wednesday, December 8, 2004, at 12:12 PM, Lynch, Jonathan wrote:
> > 
> > > My understanding is that for many, the point of
> > getting a patent is not
> > > even to prevent others from using the technology -
> > it may well be too
> > > broadly defined or have other problems. However,
> > if you have a patent,
> > > it guarantees your right to use what you patented
> > - so others cannot
> > > patent the idea later and (if they win in court)
> > keep you from using
> > > it.
> > 
> > Prior art and ) Copyright  also give you freedom to protect 
> yourself.
> > This company is a member of W3 consortium and they are using SGML - 
> > XML which is a markup language. You can't patent a markup language. 
> > It's too late. It's been blown out of the water by prior art.
> > 
> > I guess they have patented the process that occurs after 
> parsing the 
> > markup language. It must be highly defendable as an application 
> > example with regards to copyright.
> > 
> > Interesting idea though.
> > 
> > my 2 cents
> > 
> > Mark
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-revolution mailing list
> > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> >
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> > 
> 
> 
> =====
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Dec  8 16:42:53 2004
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 15:42:53 -0600
Subject: Windows printing
Message-ID: <41B7755D.70003@hyperactivesw.com>

I'm hoping someone can save me from having to do a lot of printing tests 
from my Windows machine. Right now I don't have a printer hooked up there.

There used to be a problem with Windows when using revPrintText where 
the printing font and spacing was rendered oddly -- either tiny 6-point 
text, or wildly erratic line spacing, or both.

Does anyone know if this has been fixed in recent releases of Revolution?

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From dsc at swcp.com  Wed Dec  8 16:46:05 2004
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 14:46:05 -0700
Subject: testing on case
In-Reply-To: <7B2FB2AA-495D-11D9-933E-0030654C1E62@realtorsgroup.us>
References: <7B2FB2AA-495D-11D9-933E-0030654C1E62@realtorsgroup.us>
Message-ID: <8FFE955F-4962-11D9-B50C-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>


On Dec 8, 2004, at 2:09 PM, Hershel Fisch wrote:

> Thanks, I think its a bit to much when I wanted it to set up query's , 
> too many functions involved. I hoped that there is a
> if param(x) "is upperCase" then put xxx  else put x

I don't understand why a function won't work.

Here is a simpler function that you can apply to just a word:

function isUpperCase w
   constant capitalLetters = "ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ"
   set the caseSensitive to true
   return char 1 of w is in capitalLetters
end isCapitalized

if isUpperCase( param(x) ) then put xxx else put x


If you must avoid a function (sniff, I like functions), then consider 
this:

if matchText( param(x), "^[A-Z]") then put xxx else put x

Dar


****************************************
     Dar Scott Consulting
     http://www.swcp.com/dsc/
     Programming Services
****************************************


From dsc at swcp.com  Wed Dec  8 16:55:01 2004
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 14:55:01 -0700
Subject: testing on case
In-Reply-To: <8FFE955F-4962-11D9-B50C-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
References: <7B2FB2AA-495D-11D9-933E-0030654C1E62@realtorsgroup.us>
	<8FFE955F-4962-11D9-B50C-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <CF9EFE54-4963-11D9-B50C-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>


On Dec 8, 2004, at 2:46 PM, Dar Scott wrote:

> If you must avoid a function (sniff, I like functions), then consider 
> this:
>
> if matchText( param(x), "^[A-Z]") then put xxx else put x

or this (if useUnicode is not true and you know it starts with a letter)

if charToNum( param(x) ) < 97 then put xxx else put x

To me a function is more readable.  Are you concerned about speed?

Dar

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From alex at tweedly.net  Wed Dec  8 16:33:35 2004
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 21:33:35 +0000
Subject: DreamCard Player does not "play" my app
In-Reply-To: <41B749E2.7080203@fourthworld.com>
References: <41B747F6.2030006@ehug.info>
 <20041208180632.DULH16894.fed1rmmtao01.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net>
 <41B747F6.2030006@ehug.info>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20041208210153.0292ee80@mail.tweedly.net>

At 10:37 08/12/2004 -0800, Richard Gaskin wrote:

>Mark Schonewille wrote:
>>A much better approach than using the DreamCard player is to create your 
>>own player with all the features you expect to need.
>
>It's in RunRev's interest to make that unnecessary.

Agreed.

>A good player is the second most important external communications tool 
>after their web site.  They wouldn't let the web site lie broken, and 
>hopefully they're prioritizing fixes to the player accordingly.

You would think so, wouldn't you.

>Please send feedback to RunRev on what you need from a player that isn't 
>currently addressed, and post bug reports to Bugzilla.

I posted BZ 2138 on the 4th of September; and it's still languishing in 
"Unconfirmed" state. It is described (NOT by me) in a comment as an 
enhancement - so I'm guessing it will stay in that state for some time. The 
bug says, in effect, that you can't run a stack in Dreamcard Player by 
double-clinking on the stack file (on Windows).  I would have, and indeed 
still do, think that being able to do that (i.e. run it like every other 
Windows app in the world). should be regarded as an essential ability.

[ detail - you *can* run a stack by double-clicking it - but the cursor 
will be invisible. Makes most programs fairly difficult or impossible to 
use. So I think it's fair to describe this as "in effect, you can't run a 
stack by ...." ]

>The player is critical to the core mission.  It would be better not to 
>have one at all than one that's weak enough to motivate folks to build 
>their own.  Let's hope that doesn't have to happen:  with your feedback 
>there's an opportunity to spruce it up into something you'll enjoy using.

I've given my feed back - over 3 months ago - and have yet to see any 
meaningful response.
In the meantime, I simply ignore the existence of the player, and continue 
to build standalones to distribute. Don't know what I'd do if I didn't 
still have Rev 2.2

-- Alex.

From sarahr at genesearch.com.au  Wed Dec  8 17:25:44 2004
From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 08:25:44 +1000
Subject: DreamCard Player does not "play" my app
In-Reply-To: <20041208180632.DULH16894.fed1rmmtao01.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net>
References: <20041208180632.DULH16894.fed1rmmtao01.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net>
Message-ID: <1A246A23-4968-11D9-AEA7-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au>

It's possible that the rev file got damaged during emailing unless you 
compressed it first. I recommend always zipping, stuffing or gzipping 
any stacks before emailing, just in case.

Try using the DreamCard player at home to open the stack and see if 
that make any difference. The only other idea I have concerns the 
internet library. Is it possible that the DreamCard player doesn't have 
this, or that it needs some initialization?

Cheers,
Sarah
sarahr at genesearch.com.au
http://www.troz.net/Rev/

On 9 Dec 2004, at 4:07 am, <mfstuart at cox.net> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> My first time submitting to the mailing list...
>
> I've created the MacAddict example at home, and everything works as it 
> should.
> I emailed the MAForum.rev file to work, then downloaded the DreamCard 
> player.
> I can open the app, but it doesn't "Load" the Categories from the web 
> site, nor does it load the web page when clicking on the Forum list.
>
> Can anyone help with this?
>
> Thanx in advance,
>
> Mark Stuart


From fde101 at fjrhome.net  Wed Dec  8 17:24:46 2004
From: fde101 at fjrhome.net (Frank D. Engel, Jr.)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 17:24:46 -0500
Subject: testing on case
In-Reply-To: <CF9EFE54-4963-11D9-B50C-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
References: <7B2FB2AA-495D-11D9-933E-0030654C1E62@realtorsgroup.us>
	<8FFE955F-4962-11D9-B50C-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
	<CF9EFE54-4963-11D9-B50C-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <F79E7FF4-4967-11D9-8C08-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>

Are you trying to test the first letter only, or the entire string?  
The proposals so far only test the first character of the string.  If 
you need the whole thing to be uppercase:

function uppercase ofText
   set the caseSensitive to true
   repeat for each char ch in "abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz"
     if ch is among the chars of ofText then return false
   end repeat
   return true
end uppercase


Now you can do things like:

if uppercase(ofText) then
   -- whatever
end if


or to test the first char of each word:

function wordcase ofText
   set the caseSensitive to true
   repeat for each word w in ofText
     if char 1 of w is among the chars of "abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz" 
then return false
   end repeat
   return true
end wordcase


and similarly,

if wordcase(ofText) then
   -- do something
end if

On Dec 8, 2004, at 4:55 PM, Dar Scott wrote:

>
> On Dec 8, 2004, at 2:46 PM, Dar Scott wrote:
>
>> If you must avoid a function (sniff, I like functions), then consider 
>> this:
>>
>> if matchText( param(x), "^[A-Z]") then put xxx else put x
>
> or this (if useUnicode is not true and you know it starts with a 
> letter)
>
> if charToNum( param(x) ) < 97 then put xxx else put x
>
> To me a function is more readable.  Are you concerned about speed?
>
> Dar
>
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From Cubist at aol.com  Wed Dec  8 18:02:30 2004
From: Cubist at aol.com (Cubist at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 18:02:30 EST
Subject: interesting patent
Message-ID: <8c.1ba7ce29.2ee8e206@aol.com>

   More to the point, was Pageflex's patent issued before or after the first 
release of Rev's Geometry Manager? If the latter, I'd say the Pageflex patent 
ought not have been granted, and should in fact be nullified, on the grounds 
of prior art.

From gwalias-rev at yahoo.com  Wed Dec  8 18:12:57 2004
From: gwalias-rev at yahoo.com (Gordon)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 15:12:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: interesting patent
In-Reply-To: <8c.1ba7ce29.2ee8e206@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20041208231257.18727.qmail@web51107.mail.yahoo.com>

"First to invent" rather than "first to file" is the
rule in the U.S.

If (and its a big if) the PageFlex patent does overlap
with rev's geometry manager, it would be necessary to
show that RR (or their hypercard ancestors), were
actually using or selling such a thing publicly, prior
to the priority date of PageFlex's patent (this would
normally be the data of first filing of any
provisional patent - looks to me like 1999 from the
issued patent).

--- Cubist at aol.com wrote:

>    More to the point, was Pageflex's patent issued
> before or after the first 
> release of Rev's Geometry Manager? If the latter,
> I'd say the Pageflex patent 
> ought not have been granted, and should in fact be
> nullified, on the grounds 
> of prior art.
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From rjb at rz.uni-potsdam.de  Wed Dec  8 18:41:24 2004
From: rjb at rz.uni-potsdam.de (Robert Brenstein)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 00:41:24 +0100
Subject: DreamCard Player does not "play" my app
Message-ID: <a0611042bbddd41376102@[141.89.100.235]>

On 9 Dec 2004, at 4:07 am, <mfstuart at cox.net> wrote:

>Hi all,
>
>My first time submitting to the mailing list...
>
>I've created the MacAddict example at home, and everything works as it should.
>I emailed the MAForum.rev file to work, then downloaded the DreamCard player.
>I can open the app, but it doesn't "Load" the Categories from the 
>web site, nor does it load the web page when clicking on the Forum 
>list.
>
>Can anyone help with this?
>
>Thanx in advance,
>
>Mark Stuart


Under which system you are trying to use the player?

Robert

From alex at tweedly.net  Wed Dec  8 19:04:55 2004
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2004 00:04:55 +0000
Subject: testing on case
In-Reply-To: <F79E7FF4-4967-11D9-8C08-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>
References: <CF9EFE54-4963-11D9-B50C-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
 <7B2FB2AA-495D-11D9-933E-0030654C1E62@realtorsgroup.us>
 <8FFE955F-4962-11D9-B50C-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
 <CF9EFE54-4963-11D9-B50C-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20041208234727.02876e78@mail.tweedly.net>

At 17:24 08/12/2004 -0500, Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote:

>Are you trying to test the first letter only, or the entire string?
>The proposals so far only test the first character of the string.  If you 
>need the whole thing to be uppercase:
>
>function uppercase ofText
>   set the caseSensitive to true
>   repeat for each char ch in "abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz"
>     if ch is among the chars of ofText then return false
>   end repeat
>   return true
>end uppercase

Hmmmm - that says that "ABC DEF" is not uppercase (because of the space in 
the middle).


function isUpperCase pText
   set caseSensitive to true
   return (pText = upper(pText))
end isUpperCase

Not that that's perfect either - the problem is there are 4 (or 5) possible 
results
   upper case
   lower case
   word case
   mixed case
   no case (i.e. no letters)
so deciding just which ones to include as "isUpperCase" is a 
context-dependent choice.

-- Alex.

From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Wed Dec  8 19:06:29 2004
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 16:06:29 -0800
Subject: testing on case
In-Reply-To: <8FFE955F-4962-11D9-B50C-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
References: <7B2FB2AA-495D-11D9-933E-0030654C1E62@realtorsgroup.us>
 <8FFE955F-4962-11D9-B50C-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <17019986348.20041208160629@ahsoftware.net>

Dar-

Wednesday, December 8, 2004, 1:46:05 PM, you wrote:

or...

on IsUpperCase w
  return toUpper(w) is w
end IsUpperCase

on IsLowerCase w
  return toLower(w) is w
end IsLowerCase

if IsUpperCase(x) then put xxx else put x

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net


From dsc at swcp.com  Wed Dec  8 20:34:27 2004
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 18:34:27 -0700
Subject: testing on case
In-Reply-To: <17019986348.20041208160629@ahsoftware.net>
References: <7B2FB2AA-495D-11D9-933E-0030654C1E62@realtorsgroup.us>
	<8FFE955F-4962-11D9-B50C-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
	<17019986348.20041208160629@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <7732DDAB-4982-11D9-B0C7-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>


On Dec 8, 2004, at 5:06 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:

> on IsUpperCase w
>   return toUpper(w) is w
> end IsUpperCase

Cool.  But won't this need caseSensitive set to true?

Dar

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From alw918 at earthlink.net  Thu Dec  9 01:31:05 2004
From: alw918 at earthlink.net (Andrew)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 22:31:05 -0800
Subject: Windows standalone two handlers separated
In-Reply-To: <20041208170006.7012993011F@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <E7350705-49AB-11D9-9E79-000393DD0724@earthlink.net>

Thanks, Klaus, for getting back to me about my Windows standalone issue.

Making a standalone that works in Windows has been such a problem for 
me!  I can't believe there's not more uproar about this.  Stuff just 
doesn't work like it's supposed to and often the symptoms don't help 
you pinpoint the cause.

Anyway, I implemented your idea. Specifically I wrote
send "parttwo" to btn "instructions" of cd 1 of this stack

  Is this okay?  (Because I couldn't figure out the name of my stack, 
stupid as that my sound.  When I typed "answer the stack name" and such 
things, I just got errors.)
Anyway, the problem still persists with my standalone.  But perhaps it 
was a different problem to begin with.  The weird thing is, before I 
implemented this change it seemed like the standalone was only reading 
the first portion of my script, not the second (like I described 
before).  WITH this change, it's not working at all.

I don't see why a parameter is preferable over a global variable, but I 
implemented that suggestion anyway.  It worked fine in the development 
environment, but again no nothing on the windows standalone.  Perhaps 
there is some other error going on, but I can't figure it out at all.

Again, the symptom is that the Windows standalone won't put text in the 
card field like its supposed to, but I suspect that might be 
symptomatic of something unrelated since that's been the case with 
other Windows standalone problems that I've had.

Sorry for the pestering.
I really appreciate your help!
Andrew

On Wednesday, December 8, 2004, at 09:00  AM, 
use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com wrote:

> Hi Andrew,
>
>> I've got another clue about why my windows standalone is not working.
>> Okay, my script into two halves-- one in the card script and one in
>> the script of a button.  At the end if the card script section it says
>> send parttwo to card button "instructions"
>>
>> ...And I made sure to put all of the relevant local variables (only 1)
>> into a global variable, so that it could be accessed in the script of
>> the card button "instructions".
>
> You could even send that local var as a parameter to your button, see
> below...
>
>> However, It seems as though my standalone is only running the card
>> script section, and then not going to the script of cd btn
>> "instructions".  Is there any known error that Windows standalones
>> have with, as in this case, one handler calling a handler that's
>> located elsewhere?
>
> If you specify the exact location of the button it will work!
>
> Like:
> ...
> send "parttwo" to btn "name here" of cd x ## of stack y
> ## if the button is inanother stack...
> ...
>
> Please note the quotes!
>
> Or with the above mentioned parameter:
>
> local varname
>
> on xyz
>     send "parttwo varname" to btn "name here" of cd x
> ...
>
>
> And in the button:
>
> on parttwo whattheheck
>     ## do something with whattheheck
> ...
>
> Make sure that "varname" is not empty! ;-)

From johnmiller1950 at sbcglobal.net  Thu Dec  9 06:19:24 2004
From: johnmiller1950 at sbcglobal.net (John Miller)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 06:19:24 -0500
Subject: Database Question From Newbie
Message-ID: <2EB29998-49D4-11D9-817E-000A95880812@sbcglobal.net>

Greetings All,

I am trying to access our company's inventory database via Revolution. 
I have successfully set up the DSN under Windows XP. I can use Excel to 
create a Database Query and a spreadsheet with the information I want. 
However, I am having trouble connecting to the same database using 
Revolution.

Here is my code:

on mouseUp
    revSetDatabaseDriverPath "C:\WINDOWS\system32"
    get revOpenDatabase("ODBC","Database 
Name",,"userName","userPassword")
    put the result
end mouseUp

When I run this code, I get the following error message:

    revdberr,invalid database type


Anybody got any suggestions?

Thanks,
John Miller


From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Thu Dec  9 07:26:40 2004
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 04:26:40 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Database Question From Newbie
In-Reply-To: <2EB29998-49D4-11D9-817E-000A95880812@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <20041209122640.90727.qmail@web60509.mail.yahoo.com>

--- John Miller <johnmiller1950 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Greetings All,
> 
> I am trying to access our company's inventory
> database via Revolution. 
> I have successfully set up the DSN under Windows XP.
> I can use Excel to 
> create a Database Query and a spreadsheet with the
> information I want. 
> However, I am having trouble connecting to the same
> database using 
> Revolution.
> 
> Here is my code:
> 
> on mouseUp
>     revSetDatabaseDriverPath "C:\WINDOWS\system32"
>     get revOpenDatabase("ODBC","Database 
> Name",,"userName","userPassword")
>     put the result
> end mouseUp
> 
> When I run this code, I get the following error
> message:
> 
>     revdberr,invalid database type
> 
> 
> Anybody got any suggestions?
> 
> Thanks,
> John Miller
> 

Hi John,

First I'll have to ask you why you're changing the
database driver path -- Revolutyions sets it by
default to its own directory. Have you copied the
revdb drivers to C:\WINDOWS\system32 ?

Which reminds me : Revolution expects its paths in the
'Unix' format : "C:/WINDOWS/system32/"

Other than that : what type of database are you
connecting to ? (Access, SQLServer, Progress, ...)

I'm sure we can give you a solution.

Jan Schenkel.

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From johnmiller1950 at sbcglobal.net  Thu Dec  9 07:56:24 2004
From: johnmiller1950 at sbcglobal.net (John Miller)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 07:56:24 -0500
Subject: Database Question from Newbie
Message-ID: <BB3EDC9C-49E1-11D9-8C8A-000A95880812@sbcglobal.net>

Jan,

Thanks for your quick response.

First: I had a typo in my question. I am indeed using the form  
"C:/WINDOWS/system32". Sorry about the confusion.

I am using an OBDC driver provided by the vendor of our accounting 
software. It is my understanding that when you use ODBC, you have to 
use a specialized driver for the software you are using. Is this not 
correct?

You ask what type of database. I'm not sure. We have always used ODBC 
to create specialized reports within Excel. I don't have a clue about 
the actual database type. It hasn't been necessary for me to know. I 
have used Windows XP's  "Data Sources (ODBC)" control panel to set up 
my DNS, and like I say in my post, I use this all the time to access 
our databases.

Sincerely,
John Miller


From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Thu Dec  9 10:21:51 2004
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 07:21:51 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Database Question from Newbie
In-Reply-To: <BB3EDC9C-49E1-11D9-8C8A-000A95880812@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <20041209152151.40960.qmail@web60501.mail.yahoo.com>

--- John Miller <johnmiller1950 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Jan,
> 
> Thanks for your quick response.
> 
> First: I had a typo in my question. I am indeed
> using the form  
> "C:/WINDOWS/system32". Sorry about the confusion.
> 
> I am using an OBDC driver provided by the vendor of
> our accounting 
> software. It is my understanding that when you use
> ODBC, you have to 
> use a specialized driver for the software you are
> using. Is this not 
> correct?
> 
> You ask what type of database. I'm not sure. We have
> always used ODBC 
> to create specialized reports within Excel. I don't
> have a clue about 
> the actual database type. It hasn't been necessary
> for me to know. I 
> have used Windows XP's  "Data Sources (ODBC)"
> control panel to set up 
> my DNS, and like I say in my post, I use this all
> the time to access 
> our databases.
> 
> Sincerely,
> John Miller
> 

Hi John,

This reply was a bit slower, as I'm at work atm.

Revolution has its own set of database drivers, for
MySQL, Oracle, PostgreSQL, Valentina, and ODBC. You do
not need to change the database driver path unless you
move these drivers from their default location :
  <path to revolution>/components/global
environment/database_drivers/win32/

Even when you're building a standalone application,
the se settings should be correct unless you move
things around afterwards.

In your case, I'd create a new stack and use the
Database Query Builder to see if you can connect
properly to the DSN.

Hope this helped,

Jan Schenkel.

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From klaus at major-k.de  Thu Dec  9 10:49:43 2004
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 16:49:43 +0100
Subject: testing on case
In-Reply-To: <7B2FB2AA-495D-11D9-933E-0030654C1E62@realtorsgroup.us>
References: <7B2FB2AA-495D-11D9-933E-0030654C1E62@realtorsgroup.us>
Message-ID: <F18D3177-49F9-11D9-AAA5-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>

Hi Herschel,

> Thanks, I think its a bit to much when I wanted it to set up query's , 
> too many functions involved. I hoped that there is a
> if param(x) "is upperCase" then put xxx  else put x

maybe checking "chartonum(char 1 of xyz)" will do?
If < 97, it will be a capital...


Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de


From BNZ2 at CDC.GOV  Thu Dec  9 10:59:01 2004
From: BNZ2 at CDC.GOV (Lynch, Jonathan)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 10:59:01 -0500
Subject: testing on case
Message-ID: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A9469E0D@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>

What would be wrong with...

Set the casesensitive to true
If x = toupper(x) then put xxx else put x

-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Klaus
Major
Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 10:50 AM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: testing on case

Hi Herschel,

> Thanks, I think its a bit to much when I wanted it to set up query's ,

> too many functions involved. I hoped that there is a
> if param(x) "is upperCase" then put xxx  else put x

maybe checking "chartonum(char 1 of xyz)" will do?
If < 97, it will be a capital...


Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de

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From klaus at major-k.de  Thu Dec  9 11:36:48 2004
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 17:36:48 +0100
Subject: Windows standalone two handlers separated
In-Reply-To: <E7350705-49AB-11D9-9E79-000393DD0724@earthlink.net>
References: <E7350705-49AB-11D9-9E79-000393DD0724@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <857D5E64-4A00-11D9-AAA5-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>

Hi Andrew,

> Thanks, Klaus, for getting back to me about my Windows standalone 
> issue.
>
> Making a standalone that works in Windows has been such a problem for 
> me!  I can't believe there's not more uproar about this.  Stuff just 
> doesn't work like it's supposed to and often the symptoms don't help 
> you pinpoint the cause.
>
> Anyway, I implemented your idea. Specifically I wrote
> send "parttwo" to btn "instructions" of cd 1 of this stack
>
>  Is this okay?  (Because I couldn't figure out the name of my stack, 
> stupid as that my sound.  When I typed "answer the stack name" and 
> such things, I just got errors.)

Sure "this stack" does work, if the script being executed is in THIS 
STACK, as you experienced :-)

> Anyway, the problem still persists with my standalone.  But perhaps it 
> was a different problem to begin with.  The weird thing is, before I 
> implemented this change it seemed like the standalone was only reading 
> the first portion of my script, not the second (like I described 
> before).  WITH this change, it's not working at all.

Damn!

> I don't see why a parameter is preferable over a global variable,

It isn't, actually :-)
Just wanted to show you an alternative...

> but I implemented that suggestion anyway.  It worked fine in the 
> development environment, but again no nothing on the windows 
> standalone.  Perhaps there is some other error going on, but I can't 
> figure it out at all.
>
> Again, the symptom is that the Windows standalone won't put text in 
> the card field like its supposed to, but I suspect that might be 
> symptomatic of something unrelated since that's been the case with 
> other Windows standalone problems that I've had.
>
> Sorry for the pestering.

No pestering at all, this is a list to help others out, if possible!!!!

> I really appreciate your help!

Can you post some code that does not work in the standalone?

I can even offer you to take a look here (offlist) and try to build a 
standalone from your stack,
if you don't mind...

> Andrew

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de


From klaus at major-k.de  Thu Dec  9 11:38:19 2004
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 17:38:19 +0100
Subject: testing on case
In-Reply-To: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A9469E0D@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
References: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A9469E0D@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
Message-ID: <BB80EC1D-4A00-11D9-AAA5-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>

Hi Jonathan,

> What would be wrong with...
>
> Set the casesensitive to true
> If x = toupper(x) then put xxx else put x

nothing, actually :-)

Best

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de


From fde101 at fjrhome.net  Thu Dec  9 12:12:44 2004
From: fde101 at fjrhome.net (Frank D. Engel, Jr.)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 12:12:44 -0500
Subject: Offset button in "answer" dialogs
In-Reply-To: <41B518CB.5000302@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <58DDDDF6-47B1-11D9-B0DA-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>
	<41B518CB.5000302@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <8AC7222D-4A05-11D9-809D-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>

That works fine.  Thank you!

On Dec 6, 2004, at 9:43 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> On 12/6/04 12:05 PM, Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote:
>
>> Under Mac OS X, Apple's HI guidelines specify that when displaying an 
>> alert with a third button which can potentially cause data loss (as 
>> opposed to other, "safe" buttons), that button should be offset from 
>> the other two buttons.  Rev seems to do this automatically when the 
>> third button is "Don't Save", but I would like to do this with a 
>> button having a different label.
>> In other words, I have a button which has a different title, but may 
>> cause data loss.  Short of building a custom dialog for this, is 
>> there any way to coax the "answer" dialog into offsetting a button 
>> with a different name?
>
> I'm not sure if this will help, but the dialog only checks for the 
> word "don't". So if you can label your button with anything that 
> starts with "don't" you are in business.
>
> -- 
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From Meitnik at aol.com  Thu Dec  9 12:34:22 2004
From: Meitnik at aol.com (Meitnik at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 12:34:22 EST
Subject: interesting patent
Message-ID: <d5.1d1d063e.2ee9e69e@aol.com>


In a message dated 12/9/04 12:06:30 PM, 
use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com writes:


> More to the point, was Pageflex's patent issued before or after the first
> release of Rev's Geometry Manager? If the latter, I'd say the Pageflex 
> patent
> ought not have been granted, and should in fact be nullified, on the grounds
> of prior art.
> 
-- congrats, I thought others would see this connection by now, you did and 
why I posted the patent info; in lite of any improvements for styled 
text/formatting in flds with regard to geo manager....ie pagelayout tools via Rev...

Andrew

From hershrev at realtorsgroup.us  Thu Dec  9 13:46:58 2004
From: hershrev at realtorsgroup.us (Hershel Fisch)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 13:46:58 -0500
Subject: testing on case
In-Reply-To: <8FFE955F-4962-11D9-B50C-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <B4CE4644-4A12-11D9-933E-0030654C1E62@realtorsgroup.us>


On Wednesday, December 8, 2004, at 04:46 PM, Dar Scott wrote:

>
> On Dec 8, 2004, at 2:09 PM, Hershel Fisch wrote:
>
>> Thanks, I think its a bit to much when I wanted it to set up query's 
>> , too many functions involved. I hoped that there is a
>> if param(x) "is upperCase" then put xxx  else put x
>
> I don't understand why a function won't work.
>
> Here is a simpler function that you can apply to just a word:
>
> function isUpperCase w
>   constant capitalLetters = "ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ"
>   set the caseSensitive to true
>   return char 1 of w is in capitalLetters
> end isCapitalized
>
> if isUpperCase( param(x) ) then put xxx else put x
This looks to be much faster and smoother.
>
>
> If you must avoid a function (sniff, I like functions), then consider 
> this:
>
> if matchText( param(x), "^[A-Z]") then put xxx else put x
I don't get it
Thanks a mill.
Hershel
>
> Dar
>
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From hershrev at realtorsgroup.us  Thu Dec  9 13:49:07 2004
From: hershrev at realtorsgroup.us (Hershel Fisch)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 13:49:07 -0500
Subject: testing on case
In-Reply-To: <F79E7FF4-4967-11D9-8C08-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>
Message-ID: <0144355C-4A13-11D9-933E-0030654C1E62@realtorsgroup.us>

on the first letter , but good to know-'em both ways.
Thanks,Hershel
On Wednesday, December 8, 2004, at 05:24 PM, Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote:

> Are you trying to test the first letter only, or the entire string?  
> The proposals so far only test the first character of the string.  If 
> you need the whole thing to be uppercase:
>
> function uppercase ofText
>   set the caseSensitive to true
>   repeat for each char ch in "abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz"
>     if ch is among the chars of ofText then return false
>   end repeat
>   return true
> end uppercase
>
>
> Now you can do things like:
>
> if uppercase(ofText) then
>   -- whatever
> end if
>
>
> or to test the first char of each word:
>
> function wordcase ofText
>   set the caseSensitive to true
>   repeat for each word w in ofText
>     if char 1 of w is among the chars of "abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz" 
> then return false
>   end repeat
>   return true
> end wordcase
>
>
> and similarly,
>
> if wordcase(ofText) then
>   -- do something
> end if
>
> On Dec 8, 2004, at 4:55 PM, Dar Scott wrote:
>
>>
>> On Dec 8, 2004, at 2:46 PM, Dar Scott wrote:
>>
>>> If you must avoid a function (sniff, I like functions), then 
>>> consider this:
>>>
>>> if matchText( param(x), "^[A-Z]") then put xxx else put x
>>
>> or this (if useUnicode is not true and you know it starts with a 
>> letter)
>>
>> if charToNum( param(x) ) < 97 then put xxx else put x
>>
>> To me a function is more readable.  Are you concerned about speed?
>>
>> Dar
>>
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>>
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>
> $ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
> $ true | cat /usr/manual | grep "John 3:16"
> John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten 
> Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have 
> everlasting life.
> $
>
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From scott at tactilemedia.com  Thu Dec  9 14:12:01 2004
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2004 11:12:01 -0800
Subject: testing on case
In-Reply-To: <0144355C-4A13-11D9-933E-0030654C1E62@realtorsgroup.us>
Message-ID: <BDDDE381.1BD8E%scott@tactilemedia.com>

>> Are you trying to test the first letter only, or the entire string?
>> The proposals so far only test the first character of the string.  If
>> you need the whole thing to be uppercase:

Not sure if someone already tossed this solution out:

 function caseTest tString
   set the caseSensitive to true
   if tString = toUpper(tString) then
    return true
   else return false
 end caseTest

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
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From dsc at swcp.com  Thu Dec  9 14:53:14 2004
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 12:53:14 -0700
Subject: testing on case
In-Reply-To: <B4CE4644-4A12-11D9-933E-0030654C1E62@realtorsgroup.us>
References: <B4CE4644-4A12-11D9-933E-0030654C1E62@realtorsgroup.us>
Message-ID: <F671D491-4A1B-11D9-9885-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>


On Dec 9, 2004, at 11:46 AM, Hershel Fisch wrote:

>> if matchText( param(x), "^[A-Z]") then put xxx else put x
> I don't get it

The expression matchText( z, "^[A-Z]") will return true if (and only 
when) the first character is an ASCII capital letter.  The "^" matches 
the beginning of the string (or line).  A more exact pattern is "\A"; I 
used "^" because it might be more familiar.  The immediately following 
pattern [A-Z] matches any letter in the range A-Z in ASCII.  It must 
match right after the previous pattern match, that is, the beginning.  
There is no pattern matching for the end of the string so the rest of 
the string z does not matter.  That is, matchText() returns true if the 
pattern occurs anywhere in the string, not just if it matches the whole 
string.  (Use \A and \z to match the ends to make a pattern match the 
whole string.)

You can find more info on regular expressions here:

    http://www.perldoc.com/perl5.8.0/pod/perlre.html

But you have to skip over all the perl specific parts.

You can find more specific information on exact usage of the actual 
library used in Revolution and (I assume) Dreamcard here:

    http://www.pcre.org/pcre.txt

But you have to skip over all the building and calling parts.  Skip 
down to PCRE REGULAR EXPRESSION DETAILS.  I think you need to skip over 
the unicode and UTF-8 paragraphs, too, for now.

Dar

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From johnmiller1950 at sbcglobal.net  Thu Dec  9 14:54:31 2004
From: johnmiller1950 at sbcglobal.net (John Miller)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 14:54:31 -0500
Subject: Database Question From Newbie
Message-ID: <247B9E3E-4A1C-11D9-9E13-000A95880812@sbcglobal.net>

Jan,

Thanks for your help. I deleted the line in my code that set the 
location of the driver, and I was able to connect to the database.

Just a question for clarification:  If Revolution uses its own  ODBC 
driver to access my database, then why do I have to designate a 
database driver when I set up my DNS in Windows XP?  Is the Revolution 
driver a bridge that talks to my software's ODBC driver which in turn 
talks to the database?  Or, does the Revolution ODBC driver by-pass my 
software's ODBC driver altogether?


My next project is to build a query that reads my inventory file and 
extracts 4 columns. The names of these columns in the database are 
"itemNum", "itemName", "class" & "cost".  I don't understand how to 
build a query that does this. I've read all the documentation on this 
within Revolution, but I must be dense or something.

I would be grateful for any help you have time to offer.

Sincerely,
John Miller


From BNZ2 at CDC.GOV  Thu Dec  9 15:29:35 2004
From: BNZ2 at CDC.GOV (Lynch, Jonathan)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 15:29:35 -0500
Subject: testing on case
Message-ID: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A90EC5AE@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>

This should work on the whole string:

   Set the casesensitive to true
   If x = toupper(x) then...

That would work even if some characters are numbers, and thus not in the
a-z set, but still not considered uppercase


For a single character you can do

   if chartonum(x) = chartonum(toupper(x)) then...

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[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Hershel
Fisch
Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 1:49 PM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: testing on case

on the first letter , but good to know-'em both ways.
Thanks,Hershel
On Wednesday, December 8, 2004, at 05:24 PM, Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote:

> Are you trying to test the first letter only, or the entire string?  
> The proposals so far only test the first character of the string.  If 
> you need the whole thing to be uppercase:
>
> function uppercase ofText
>   set the caseSensitive to true
>   repeat for each char ch in "abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz"
>     if ch is among the chars of ofText then return false
>   end repeat
>   return true
> end uppercase
>
>
> Now you can do things like:
>
> if uppercase(ofText) then
>   -- whatever
> end if
>
>
> or to test the first char of each word:
>
> function wordcase ofText
>   set the caseSensitive to true
>   repeat for each word w in ofText
>     if char 1 of w is among the chars of "abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz" 
> then return false
>   end repeat
>   return true
> end wordcase
>
>
> and similarly,
>
> if wordcase(ofText) then
>   -- do something
> end if
>
> On Dec 8, 2004, at 4:55 PM, Dar Scott wrote:
>
>>
>> On Dec 8, 2004, at 2:46 PM, Dar Scott wrote:
>>
>>> If you must avoid a function (sniff, I like functions), then 
>>> consider this:
>>>
>>> if matchText( param(x), "^[A-Z]") then put xxx else put x
>>
>> or this (if useUnicode is not true and you know it starts with a 
>> letter)
>>
>> if charToNum( param(x) ) < 97 then put xxx else put x
>>
>> To me a function is more readable.  Are you concerned about speed?
>>
>> Dar
>>
>> ****************************************
>>     Dar Scott Consulting
>>     http://www.swcp.com/dsc/
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>> ****************************************
>>
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>>
>>
> -----------------------------------------------------------
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>
> $ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
> $ true | cat /usr/manual | grep "John 3:16"
> John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten 
> Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have 
> everlasting life.
> $
>
>
>
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From richmond at mail.maclaunch.com  Thu Dec  9 14:52:35 2004
From: richmond at mail.maclaunch.com (Mathewson)
Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2004 14:52:35 -0500
Subject: THESIS now available
Message-ID: <web-325403162@mail.maclaunch.com>

Dear xTalkers,

  My Thesis in the form that I have submitted it is now
available in HTML format via the FILES page of my website.

  I am afraid I don't envisage having the prototype
software uploaded anywhere until sometime into the new
year.

  I would like to reiterate my thanks to Monsieur X for his
very kind offer of help.

 Wishing you all an extremely xTalky New Year.

Richmond Mathewson

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From James.Cass at sealedair.com  Thu Dec  9 15:47:00 2004
From: James.Cass at sealedair.com (James.Cass at sealedair.com)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 15:47:00 -0500
Subject: testing on case
In-Reply-To: <F671D491-4A1B-11D9-9885-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <OF54A5DEE6.139EFCFA-ON85256F65.0071F736-85256F65.007254C2@sealedair.com>

>  The expression matchText( z, "^[A-Z]")
> will return true if (and only when) the
> first character is an ASCII capital letter.

That returns "false" for me.  You'll need to do it like this to cover upper
and lower case.

      matchText(z,"^[aA-zZ]")

Cheers...James




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On Dec 9, 2004, at 11:46 AM, Hershel Fisch wrote:

>> if matchText( param(x), "^[A-Z]") then put xxx else put x
> I don't get it

The expression matchText( z, "^[A-Z]") will return true if (and only
when) the first character is an ASCII capital letter.  The "^" matches
the beginning of the string (or line).  A more exact pattern is "\A"; I
used "^" because it might be more familiar.  The immediately following
pattern [A-Z] matches any letter in the range A-Z in ASCII.  It must
match right after the previous pattern match, that is, the beginning.
There is no pattern matching for the end of the string so the rest of
the string z does not matter.  That is, matchText() returns true if the
pattern occurs anywhere in the string, not just if it matches the whole
string.  (Use \A and \z to match the ends to make a pattern match the
whole string.)

You can find more info on regular expressions here:

    http://www.perldoc.com/perl5.8.0/pod/perlre.html

But you have to skip over all the perl specific parts.

You can find more specific information on exact usage of the actual
library used in Revolution and (I assume) Dreamcard here:

    http://www.pcre.org/pcre.txt

But you have to skip over all the building and calling parts.  Skip
down to PCRE REGULAR EXPRESSION DETAILS.  I think you need to skip over
the unicode and UTF-8 paragraphs, too, for now.

Dar

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From BNZ2 at CDC.GOV  Thu Dec  9 16:02:49 2004
From: BNZ2 at CDC.GOV (Lynch, Jonathan)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 16:02:49 -0500
Subject: testing on case
Message-ID: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A9469E14@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>

Hi James...

I tried:

   matchText( z, "^[A-Z]")

and it worked fine for me...



I tested it in the message box...

  matchText("b","^[A-Z]") 

returned false, and 

  matchText("B","^[A-Z]") 

returned true



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James.Cass at sealedair.com
Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 3:47 PM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: testing on case

>  The expression matchText( z, "^[A-Z]")
> will return true if (and only when) the
> first character is an ASCII capital letter.

That returns "false" for me.  You'll need to do it like this to cover
upper
and lower case.

      matchText(z,"^[aA-zZ]")

Cheers...James




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On Dec 9, 2004, at 11:46 AM, Hershel Fisch wrote:

>> if matchText( param(x), "^[A-Z]") then put xxx else put x
> I don't get it

The expression matchText( z, "^[A-Z]") will return true if (and only
when) the first character is an ASCII capital letter.  The "^" matches
the beginning of the string (or line).  A more exact pattern is "\A"; I
used "^" because it might be more familiar.  The immediately following
pattern [A-Z] matches any letter in the range A-Z in ASCII.  It must
match right after the previous pattern match, that is, the beginning.
There is no pattern matching for the end of the string so the rest of
the string z does not matter.  That is, matchText() returns true if the
pattern occurs anywhere in the string, not just if it matches the whole
string.  (Use \A and \z to match the ends to make a pattern match the
whole string.)

You can find more info on regular expressions here:

    http://www.perldoc.com/perl5.8.0/pod/perlre.html

But you have to skip over all the perl specific parts.

You can find more specific information on exact usage of the actual
library used in Revolution and (I assume) Dreamcard here:

    http://www.pcre.org/pcre.txt

But you have to skip over all the building and calling parts.  Skip
down to PCRE REGULAR EXPRESSION DETAILS.  I think you need to skip over
the unicode and UTF-8 paragraphs, too, for now.

Dar

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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Thu Dec  9 16:54:58 2004
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 13:54:58 -0800
Subject: testing on case
In-Reply-To: <7732DDAB-4982-11D9-B0C7-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
References: <7B2FB2AA-495D-11D9-933E-0030654C1E62@realtorsgroup.us>
 <8FFE955F-4962-11D9-B50C-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
 <17019986348.20041208160629@ahsoftware.net>
 <7732DDAB-4982-11D9-B0C7-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <5016725129.20041209135458@ahsoftware.net>

Dar-

Wednesday, December 8, 2004, 5:34:27 PM, you wrote:

>> on IsUpperCase w
>>   return toUpper(w) is w
>> end IsUpperCase

DS> Cool.  But won't this need caseSensitive set to true?

Right you are. My fingers think faster than my head.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net


From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Thu Dec  9 17:25:48 2004
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 14:25:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Database Question From Newbie
In-Reply-To: <247B9E3E-4A1C-11D9-9E13-000A95880812@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <20041209222549.76229.qmail@web60502.mail.yahoo.com>

--- John Miller <johnmiller1950 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Jan,
> 
> Thanks for your help. I deleted the line in my code
> that set the 
> location of the driver, and I was able to connect to
> the database.
> 

Glad you got it working, John :-)

> Just a question for clarification:  If Revolution
> uses its own  ODBC 
> driver to access my database, then why do I have to
> designate a 
> database driver when I set up my DNS in Windows XP? 
> Is the Revolution 
> driver a bridge that talks to my software's ODBC
> driver which in turn 
> talks to the database?  Or, does the Revolution ODBC
> driver by-pass my 
> software's ODBC driver altogether?
> 

You still need the ODBC driver for your specific
database ; Revolution has its own native (non-ODBC)
drivers for some databases, but can also connect to
the Data sources that you setup in your ODBC Control
Panel.

> 
> My next project is to build a query that reads my
> inventory file and 
> extracts 4 columns. The names of these columns in
> the database are 
> "itemNum", "itemName", "class" & "cost".  I don't
> understand how to 
> build a query that does this. I've read all the
> documentation on this 
> within Revolution, but I must be dense or something.
> 

Though it is hard to say without knowing the innards
of your database schema, one way to find out how this
works is by looking at the query that you made in
Excel using the point-and-click method provided by
Query.

If you save the query to a file on the hard disk, you
can open it in a simple text editor like Notepad, and
find out what the SQL-suery is ; it probably looks
something like :
  SELECT itemNum, itemName, class, cost
  FROM articles

> I would be grateful for any help you have time to
> offer.
> 

For more information on SQL, I suggest surfing the web
for tutorials ; I picked up an old one a while ago
that Geoff Canyon found, and am hosting it at :
<http://www.professionalsoftware.be/SQLTutorial/SqlTutorial.html>

Hope this helped,

Jan Schenkel.

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From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Thu Dec  9 17:32:14 2004
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 14:32:14 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Windows printing
In-Reply-To: <41B7755D.70003@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <20041209223214.98975.qmail@web60506.mail.yahoo.com>

--- "J. Landman Gay" <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:
> I'm hoping someone can save me from having to do a
> lot of printing tests 
> from my Windows machine. Right now I don't have a
> printer hooked up there.
> 
> There used to be a problem with Windows when using
> revPrintText where 
> the printing font and spacing was rendered oddly --
> either tiny 6-point 
> text, or wildly erratic line spacing, or both.
> 
> Does anyone know if this has been fixed in recent
> releases of Revolution?
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay
> 

Hi Jacque,

If my memory serves me well, the problem was the use
of fonts that didn't exist in the printer, causing
tiny print and erratic spacing ; it was definitely
fixed in Rev 2.2, possibly earlier.

Jan Schenkel.

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From sarahr at genesearch.com.au  Thu Dec  9 19:33:33 2004
From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 10:33:33 +1000
Subject: [OT] young developer
Message-ID: <1F294512-4A43-11D9-AEA7-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au>

Hi All,

Sorry for the irrelevant email but I had to share my news with you :-)
My middle son (aged 12) just graduated from primary school yesterday 
and was awarded the school's technology prize. Among his list of 
accomplishments that was read out, was the fact that he has now started 
making his own games. "WOW!" said the person giving the speech.

You'll never guess what he uses to write his games... one of them even 
has a music track that he wrote in GarageBand.

Anyone who wants to have a look can go to 
<http://www.troz.net/jacksgames/>. I'm sure he would welcome any 
feedback.

Cheers,
Sarah


From irog at mac.com  Thu Dec  9 20:12:09 2004
From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 17:12:09 -0800
Subject: File Management System
Message-ID: <840597CE-4A48-11D9-AFCA-000D933610BE@mac.com>

Has anyone built a file management system such as Mail in Mac OSX?  I 
need to build folders in a scrollable area on the left side that 
contain documents titles in a scrollable area in the upper right and 
document content in a scrollable area in the lower right. The visible 
document content is the one whose title is hilited in the upper right.  
And most importantly, I need to be able move these documents to 
different folders.  This is a very typical file management system but I 
don't quite know how to implement it.  Has anyone done this and is 
willing to help?

Thanks very much, Roger 
  


From johnmiller1950 at sbcglobal.net  Thu Dec  9 21:23:23 2004
From: johnmiller1950 at sbcglobal.net (John Miller)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 21:23:23 -0500
Subject: Database Question From Newbie
Message-ID: <779DCD6C-4A52-11D9-9E9D-000A95880812@sbcglobal.net>

Jan,

I am so pumped. I got this thing working in Revolution. In just a few 
lines of code I managed to open the inventory database on our server, 
pull out 4 columns, sort the records by class and insert the whole 
thing (10,515 lines) into a card field in one-fourth of a second.

Revolution is so sweet !!!

Thanks for your help.


Gratefully,
John Miller


From gwalias-rev at yahoo.com  Thu Dec  9 21:55:32 2004
From: gwalias-rev at yahoo.com (Gordon)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 18:55:32 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Arrays in Rev
In-Reply-To: <779DCD6C-4A52-11D9-9E9D-000A95880812@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <20041210025533.80235.qmail@web51110.mail.yahoo.com>

Dear Revolutionaries

Can an element of a rev array be another array?

If not, is there any way to achieve the effect of
nesting arrays - OR if not, is there some way to
create new container types (like the structures and
unions typical in C and Pascal). Basically - how do I
create complex organized containers (objects) to hold
my data?

Best

Gordon


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Dec  9 22:19:22 2004
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2004 21:19:22 -0600
Subject: Windows printing
In-Reply-To: <20041209223214.98975.qmail@web60506.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20041209223214.98975.qmail@web60506.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <41B915BA.1020904@hyperactivesw.com>

On 12/9/04 4:32 PM, Jan Schenkel wrote:

> --- "J. Landman Gay" <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:
> 
>>I'm hoping someone can save me from having to do a
>>lot of printing tests 
>>from my Windows machine. Right now I don't have a
>>printer hooked up there.
>>
>>There used to be a problem with Windows when using
>>revPrintText where 
>>the printing font and spacing was rendered oddly --
>>either tiny 6-point 
>>text, or wildly erratic line spacing, or both.
>>
>>Does anyone know if this has been fixed in recent
>>releases of Revolution?
>>
>>-- 
>>Jacqueline Landman Gay
>>
> 
> 
> Hi Jacque,
> 
> If my memory serves me well, the problem was the use
> of fonts that didn't exist in the printer, causing
> tiny print and erratic spacing ; it was definitely
> fixed in Rev 2.2, possibly earlier.

Thanks so much, Jan. Once again you have saved me a lot of work. I 
really wasn't looking forward to moving all my office furniture in order 
to hook up the printer. Now I can just send it to the client and tell 
*them* to test it. ;)

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com

From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Dec  9 22:21:57 2004
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2004 21:21:57 -0600
Subject: [OT] young developer
In-Reply-To: <1F294512-4A43-11D9-AEA7-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au>
References: <1F294512-4A43-11D9-AEA7-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au>
Message-ID: <41B91655.7040300@hyperactivesw.com>

Bravo to your son, Sarah! But I'm not especially surprised, what with a 
mom like you. :)

On 12/9/04 6:33 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

> Hi All,
> 
> Sorry for the irrelevant email but I had to share my news with you :-)
> My middle son (aged 12) just graduated from primary school yesterday and 
> was awarded the school's technology prize. Among his list of 
> accomplishments that was read out, was the fact that he has now started 
> making his own games. "WOW!" said the person giving the speech.
> 
> You'll never guess what he uses to write his games... one of them even 
> has a music track that he wrote in GarageBand.
> 
> Anyone who wants to have a look can go to 
> <http://www.troz.net/jacksgames/>. I'm sure he would welcome any feedback.
> 
> Cheers,
> Sarah
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> 
> 
> 


-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com

From harrison at all-auctions.com  Thu Dec  9 23:17:12 2004
From: harrison at all-auctions.com (Rick Harrison)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 23:17:12 -0500
Subject: Label an Image with Text?
In-Reply-To: <E7350705-49AB-11D9-9E79-000393DD0724@earthlink.net>
References: <E7350705-49AB-11D9-9E79-000393DD0724@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <5DB18C38-4A62-11D9-AC05-000393C10758@all-auctions.com>

Hi there,

I was wondering if there is a way in Rev to paint a text label
onto a jpeg image file and then save it as part of the jpeg file
when I export it.

(I also noticed the lack of a text tool for doing that in the
paint tools.)

Anyone?

Thanks in advance!

Rick Harrison


From webmaster at dreamscapesoftware.com  Fri Dec 10 00:00:27 2004
From: webmaster at dreamscapesoftware.com (Derek Bump)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 23:00:27 -0600
Subject: Label an Image with Text?
References: <E7350705-49AB-11D9-9E79-000393DD0724@earthlink.net>
	<5DB18C38-4A62-11D9-AC05-000393C10758@all-auctions.com>
Message-ID: <002801c4de75$2a5aa520$6701a8c0@DOWNSTAIRS>

> I was wondering if there is a way in Rev to paint a text label
> onto a jpeg image file and then save it as part of the jpeg file
> when I export it.

You mean like taking group of text and rendering it into an image?  Well, there is no native way to do this, but what you can do is this...

1. Put the text you want into a fld.
2. Take a snapshot of the fld.
3. figure out where in the imageData of the "main" image that you want to insert the imageData from the snapshot.

That method will take a VERY long time as you have to parse the main image pixel by pixel.  The other method is this, but if the image is larger than the stack then it will get cut off.

1. Put the text you want into a fld.
2. Place the fld where you want it to appear over the image.
3. Take a snapshot of the image.


Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software
____________________________________________
Compress Images Easily with JPEGCompress
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com

From harrison at all-auctions.com  Fri Dec 10 00:19:08 2004
From: harrison at all-auctions.com (Rick Harrison)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 00:19:08 -0500
Subject: Label an Image with Text?
In-Reply-To: <002801c4de75$2a5aa520$6701a8c0@DOWNSTAIRS>
References: <E7350705-49AB-11D9-9E79-000393DD0724@earthlink.net>
	<5DB18C38-4A62-11D9-AC05-000393C10758@all-auctions.com>
	<002801c4de75$2a5aa520$6701a8c0@DOWNSTAIRS>
Message-ID: <04A7CD00-4A6B-11D9-AC05-000393C10758@all-auctions.com>


On Dec 10, 2004, at 12:00 AM, Derek Bump wrote:
>
> You mean like taking group of text and rendering it into an image?  
> Well, there is no native way to do this, but what you can do is 
> this...
>
> 1. Put the text you want into a fld.
> 2. Take a snapshot of the fld.
> 3. figure out where in the imageData of the "main" image that you want 
> to insert the imageData from the snapshot.
>
> That method will take a VERY long time as you have to parse the main 
> image pixel by pixel.  The other method is this, but if the image is 
> larger than the stack then it will get cut off.
>
> 1. Put the text you want into a fld.
> 2. Place the fld where you want it to appear over the image.
> 3. Take a snapshot of the image.
>
>

Derek,

The latter method is probably the easiest.

I tried taking a snapshot after getting the rectangle
of the image, but it ended up getting other parts of
the stack window too.  Is this a problem of relative
vs. absolute coordinates?

Thanks for the quick response!

Rick Harrison




From webmaster at dreamscapesoftware.com  Fri Dec 10 00:29:36 2004
From: webmaster at dreamscapesoftware.com (Derek Bump)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 23:29:36 -0600
Subject: Label an Image with Text?
References: 	<E7350705-49AB-11D9-9E79-000393DD0724@earthlink.net><5DB18C38-4A62-11D9-AC05-000393C10758@all-auctions.com><002801c4de75$2a5aa520$6701a8c0@DOWNSTAIRS>
	<04A7CD00-4A6B-11D9-AC05-000393C10758@all-auctions.com>
Message-ID: <003901c4de79$3cecfdb0$6701a8c0@DOWNSTAIRS>

> I tried taking a snapshot after getting the rectangle
> of the image, but it ended up getting other parts of
> the stack window too.  Is this a problem of relative
> vs. absolute coordinates?

Yes, you have to specify the exact coordinates for the snapshot to work.

> Thanks for the quick response!

No problem, glad to see someone else can't sleep either (unless your on the other side of the world).
 

Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software
____________________________________________
Compress Images Easily with JPEGCompress
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com
 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rick Harrison" <harrison at all-auctions.com>
To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 11:19 PM
Subject: Re: Label an Image with Text?


> 
> On Dec 10, 2004, at 12:00 AM, Derek Bump wrote:
>>
>> You mean like taking group of text and rendering it into an image?  
>> Well, there is no native way to do this, but what you can do is 
>> this...
>>
>> 1. Put the text you want into a fld.
>> 2. Take a snapshot of the fld.
>> 3. figure out where in the imageData of the "main" image that you want 
>> to insert the imageData from the snapshot.
>>
>> That method will take a VERY long time as you have to parse the main 
>> image pixel by pixel.  The other method is this, but if the image is 
>> larger than the stack then it will get cut off.
>>
>> 1. Put the text you want into a fld.
>> 2. Place the fld where you want it to appear over the image.
>> 3. Take a snapshot of the image.
>>
>>
> 
> Derek,
> 
> The latter method is probably the easiest.
> 
> 
> Rick Harrison
> 
> 
> 
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From b.xavier at internet.lu  Fri Dec 10 00:43:19 2004
From: b.xavier at internet.lu (MisterX)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 06:43:19 +0100
Subject: Arrays in Rev
In-Reply-To: <20041210025533.80235.qmail@web51110.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20041210053432.F176993015A@mail.runrev.com>


you can't put an array into another
but

put array["object"] into array["parent"] will move the data from object to
parent.

what you can do is an intermediary data formet which you can split/merge
later into an array.

 so if an array is converted into data, you can stick into an array and
later convert it back into data. 

There is already a bugzilla request for array embedding... 

Cheers
Xavier

> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com 
> [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Gordon
> Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 03:56
> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: Arrays in Rev
> 
> Dear Revolutionaries
> 
> Can an element of a rev array be another array?
> 
> If not, is there any way to achieve the effect of nesting 
> arrays - OR if not, is there some way to create new container 
> types (like the structures and unions typical in C and 
> Pascal). Basically - how do I create complex organized 
> containers (objects) to hold my data?
> 
> Best
> 
> Gordon
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> 


From b.xavier at internet.lu  Fri Dec 10 00:43:19 2004
From: b.xavier at internet.lu (MisterX)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 06:43:19 +0100
Subject: File Management System
In-Reply-To: <840597CE-4A48-11D9-AFCA-000D933610BE@mac.com>
Message-ID: <20041210053434.D8AD493010B@mail.runrev.com>

im working on a browser/previewer that will be a file agent
choooser for xos later. 

It has 
- file filters
- mac/*nix/win detailed files (all sorteable) or simple files view 
- different file types previews (text, html, image...)
- file/folder renaming/movings (single now, group renaming soon)
- deletion (single or group)

Im building up the options to givit lots of file and folder ops
- Ths weekend I will integrate the image-catalog object into it
to get folder image previews browsing for example...

How can we cooperate? 

Xavier

> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com 
> [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of 
> Roger Guay
> Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 02:12
> To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Subject: File Management System
> 
> Has anyone built a file management system such as Mail in Mac 
> OSX?  I need to build folders in a scrollable area on the 
> left side that contain documents titles in a scrollable area 
> in the upper right and document content in a scrollable area 
> in the lower right. The visible document content is the one 
> whose title is hilited in the upper right.  
> And most importantly, I need to be able move these documents 
> to different folders.  This is a very typical file management 
> system but I don't quite know how to implement it.  Has 
> anyone done this and is willing to help?
> 
> Thanks very much, Roger 
>   
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> 


From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 10 01:15:12 2004
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 22:15:12 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Arrays in Rev
In-Reply-To: <20041210025533.80235.qmail@web51110.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20041210061512.65100.qmail@web60509.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Gordon <gwalias-rev at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Dear Revolutionaries
> 
> Can an element of a rev array be another array?
> 
> If not, is there any way to achieve the effect of
> nesting arrays - OR if not, is there some way to
> create new container types (like the structures and
> unions typical in C and Pascal). Basically - how do
> I
> create complex organized containers (objects) to
> hold
> my data?
> 
> Best
> 
> Gordon
> 

Hi Gordon,

As Xavier pointed out, there are no nested arrays in
Revolution. In addition to his suggestion to use the
"split" and "combine" commands when needed, I'd like
to point at the other two options : crafting array
keys to simulate the behaviour, and using XML trees as
a way to hierarchically store information into nodes.

1. Array keys
Revolution arrays are actually associative arrays,
which means that the keys can be any string, and you
can use separators as much as you like. Example :
--
  put "01/01/2003" into \
      tCustomerData["1,history,23,date"]
  put tCustomerData["78,contacts,3,phone"] into \
      tPhoneNumber
--

2. XML trees
If you build your tree correctly, you can get the
content of your data using calls like :
--
  put "data/customers[1]/history[23]/date" into \
      tNode
  revPutIntoXMLNode tXMLTree,tNode,"01/01/2003"
  put "data/customers[78]/contacts[3]/phone" into \
      tNode
  put revXMLNodeContents(tXMLTree,tNode) into \
      tPhoneNumber
--
For more information about XML and how Rev supports
it, make sure to download the tutorial by Sarah
Reichelt, available from the Runtime Revolution
website at :
<http://support.runrev.com/resources/xml.php>

Hope this helped,

Jan Schenkel.

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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Fri Dec 10 02:01:59 2004
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 23:01:59 -0800
Subject: parsing comments in scripts
Message-ID: <19849545222.20041209230159@ahsoftware.net>

All-

In the last few days I've started to realize how many ways comments
and non-comments that look like comments can be embedded into lines of
script code. In trying to get to what's actually code I've tried
getting the offset of a "--" string, which has complications if it is
quoted. So I tried looking for quoted text and seeing if the comment
was after quoted text - this also presents problems. We can have:

#comment
text --comment
text "more text -- still more"
text "more text" --comment
text "more text" text "-- text"
text "more text" text "still more" --comment
(did I leave any out)

I came across an interesting combination of tokens and words: tokens
ignore comments, words don't make that distinction. However, the token
delimiter isn't necessarily where I want it to be:

put the tokens of "put" && quote & "something" & quote && "--comment"
results in
put "something
without the trailing quote.
But using tokens as counters and words to get the text works. Bizarre
but true (AFAIKT).

So... herewith I present my parser for removing comments from lines of
code in a script. I believe it does everything except for line
continuation characters ("\") which I handle separately before calling
this function.

---------------------
-- Return an empty line if it starts with "#"
-- If the line contains an embedded comment ("--") then
-- delete the comment part and just return the Transcript content
---------------------
function StripComments theLine
  local numTokens
  
  -- ignore comments
  put the number of tokens of theLine into numTokens
  if numTokens is zero then
    put empty into theLine
  else
    put word 1 to numTokens of theLine into theLine
  end if
  return theLine
end StripComments

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net


From joncooper at swiftdsl.com.au  Fri Dec 10 03:53:33 2004
From: joncooper at swiftdsl.com.au (Jonathan Cooper)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 19:53:33 +1100
Subject: screen resolution problems
In-Reply-To: <41B67B87.8090005@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <F8B3F52C-4A88-11D9-895F-000393103834@swiftdsl.com.au>

On Wednesday, December 8, 2004, at 02:56  PM, Chipp Walters wrote:

> The easiest solution is to check on startup the screen resolution (get 
> the screenRect) and if it's not big enough popup an answer warning 
> dialog telling the user to please quit and change resolutions and 
> relaunch.
>
> [snip]
>
> PatGeorgeA at aol.com wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I have been developing software for testing in schools - built as a 
>> windows standalone.  The program is made for a 1024 x 768 screen size 
>> (the card filling about 2/3rds of the screen with a backdrop) - the 
>> stack is quite complex, it contains lots script, lots of cards, each 
>> with different fonts, buttons and fields.  Some of the computers we 
>> wanted to use are networked and set to a screen resolution of 800 x 
>> 600.   Can anyone suggest a good solution to this?  The easiest 
>> solution would be to change the resolution of the host computers 
>> during testing - at the end change it back.  Would this be an okay 
>> thing to do and does anyone have a script that would allow me to do 
>> this?   An alternative solution would be to change everything on the 
>> stack?  Is this solution the best and is there any easy way to do 
>> this?
>>

What about a variation of Chipp's suggestion? (Not tested,but it should 
work) :
Create a small standalone that just changes the screen resolution if 
necessary then launches the REAL standalone, then quits itself.

Jonathan Cooper
Manager of Information / WWW
Art Gallery of New South Wales                   Art Gallery website:
Sydney, Australia                    http://www.artgallery.nsw.gov.au
Tel +61 2 9225 1796                                 Personal website:
Fax +61 2 9221 5129      http://www.artgallery.nsw.gov.au/sub/jcooper


Jonathan Cooper
Manager of Information / WWW
Art Gallery of New South Wales                   Art Gallery website:
Sydney, Australia                    http://www.artgallery.nsw.gov.au
Tel +61 2 9225 1796                                 Personal website:
Fax +61 2 9221 5129      http://www.artgallery.nsw.gov.au/sub/jcooper


From chipp at chipp.com  Fri Dec 10 05:03:11 2004
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 04:03:11 -0600
Subject: simple applescript?
Message-ID: <41B9745F.5060608@chipp.com>

Hi all. Need a bit of help here...why doesn't this work?

on mouseUp
   answer file ""
   if it is empty then exit to top
   put it into pPDFpath
   replace "/" with ":" in pPDFpath
   if char 1 of pPDFpath is ":" then delete char 1 of pPDFpath
   put "tell application " &quote& "Finder" & quote & cr into tScript
   put "set the file type of " &quote& pPDFpath &quote& \
         " to " &quote& "PDF " &quote& cr after tScript
   put "end tell" after tScript
   do tScript as Applescript
   put the result into sError
end mouseUp

From xbury.cs at clearstream.com  Fri Dec 10 05:39:10 2004
From: xbury.cs at clearstream.com (xbury.cs at clearstream.com)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 11:39:10 +0100
Subject: are we beaten yet?
Message-ID: <OF7E406740.D3078196-ONC1256F66.003A5F35-C1256F66.003A8485@deutsche-boerse.de>

Check out 

http://slashdot.org/articles/04/12/09/2323242.shtml?tid=100&tid=152&tid=1

According to it, PDAs will get flash software and developpers before we 
do!

It would be great to just port a stack to palm and have it work. Old 
newton
dreams again...

X


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From klaus at major-k.de  Fri Dec 10 06:31:50 2004
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 12:31:50 +0100
Subject: have we eaten yet?
In-Reply-To: <OF7E406740.D3078196-ONC1256F66.003A5F35-C1256F66.003A8485@deutsche-boerse.de>
References: <OF7E406740.D3078196-ONC1256F66.003A5F35-C1256F66.003A8485@deutsche-boerse.de>
Message-ID: <1549E31A-4A9F-11D9-8723-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>

Hi Xavier,

> Check out
>
> http://slashdot.org/articles/04/12/09/2323242.shtml? 
> tid=100&tid=152&tid=1
>
> According to it, PDAs will get flash software and developpers before we
> do!

Yes, sad but true...

> It would be great to just port a stack to palm and have it work. Old
> newton dreams again...

If only Jan Schenkel would share his secret on how to clone fine  
developers!!! ;-)

Imagine having 2 or more Tuviahs!!!
Blasting MicroMedia (and others) away would be snap then :-D

> X

Best

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de


From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 10 06:58:42 2004
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 03:58:42 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [OT] young developer
In-Reply-To: <1F294512-4A43-11D9-AEA7-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au>
Message-ID: <20041210115842.51788.qmail@web60502.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Sarah Reichelt <sarahr at genesearch.com.au> wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> Sorry for the irrelevant email but I had to share my
> news with you :-)
> My middle son (aged 12) just graduated from primary
> school yesterday 
> and was awarded the school's technology prize. Among
> his list of 
> accomplishments that was read out, was the fact that
> he has now started 
> making his own games. "WOW!" said the person giving
> the speech.
> 
> You'll never guess what he uses to write his
> games... one of them even 
> has a music track that he wrote in GarageBand.
> 
> Anyone who wants to have a look can go to 
> <http://www.troz.net/jacksgames/>. I'm sure he would
> welcome any 
> feedback.
> 
> Cheers,
> Sarah
> 

Hi Sarah,

Never announce that sort of thing while I'm having
breakfast : I was almost late for work, trying to
defeat that puny Jedi !
Nice job ; one remark though : in the version with
music, if you close the window, the exe doesn't quit
and the music keeps playing.

Jan Schenkel.

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From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Fri Dec 10 07:10:00 2004
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 12:10:00 +0000
Subject: simple applescript?
In-Reply-To: <41B9745F.5060608@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <BDDF4298.25A37%benr_mc@cogapp.com>

Chipp wrote:

> Hi all. Need a bit of help here...why doesn't this work?
> 
> on mouseUp
>  answer file ""
>  if it is empty then exit to top
>  put it into pPDFpath
>  replace "/" with ":" in pPDFpath
>  if char 1 of pPDFpath is ":" then delete char 1 of pPDFpath
>  put "tell application " &quote& "Finder" & quote & cr into tScript
>  put "set the file type of " &quote& pPDFpath &quote& \
>        " to " &quote& "PDF " &quote& cr after tScript
>  put "end tell" after tScript
>  do tScript as Applescript
>  put the result into sError
> end mouseUp


Hi Chip,

I think you need "file" before the path, ie

  put "set the file type of file " &quote& pPDFpath &quote& \
        " to " &quote& "PDF " &quote& cr after tScript

HTH,
 
  Ben Rubinstein               |  Email: benr_mc at cogapp.com
  Cognitive Applications Ltd   |  Phone: +44 (0)1273-821600
  http://www.cogapp.com        |  Fax  : +44 (0)1273-728866



From dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Fri Dec 10 07:16:34 2004
From: dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 12:16:34 +0000
Subject: simple applescript?
In-Reply-To: <41B9745F.5060608@chipp.com>
References: <41B9745F.5060608@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <55012666-4AA5-11D9-8F59-000A9569F8B0@lacscentre.co.uk>

On 10 Dec 2004, at 10:03, Chipp Walters wrote:

> Hi all. Need a bit of help here...why doesn't this work?
>
> on mouseUp
>   answer file ""
>   if it is empty then exit to top
>   put it into pPDFpath
>   replace "/" with ":" in pPDFpath
>   if char 1 of pPDFpath is ":" then delete char 1 of pPDFpath
>   put "tell application " &quote& "Finder" & quote & cr into tScript
>   put "set the file type of " &quote& pPDFpath &quote& \
>         " to " &quote& "PDF " &quote& cr after tScript
>   put "end tell" after tScript
>   do tScript as Applescript
>   put the result into sError
> end mouseUp
>
Just guessing, but don't you need a file reference in there somewhere. 
Perhaps this:


put "set the file type of " &quote& "file" && pPDFpath &quote& \
         " to " &quote& "PDF " &quote& cr after tScript

Or is that one of those cases when you need "alias" instead of file.

Dave


From alex at tweedly.net  Fri Dec 10 08:01:53 2004
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 13:01:53 +0000
Subject: parsing comments in scripts
In-Reply-To: <19849545222.20041209230159@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20041210124601.028c9158@mail.tweedly.net>

At 23:01 09/12/2004 -0800, Mark Wieder wrote:

>All-
>
>In the last few days I've started to realize how many ways comments
>and non-comments that look like comments can be embedded into lines of
>script code. In trying to get to what's actually code I've tried
>getting the offset of a "--" string, which has complications if it is
>quoted. So I tried looking for quoted text and seeing if the comment
>was after quoted text - this also presents problems. We can have:
>
>#comment
>text --comment
>text "more text -- still more"
>text "more text" --comment
>text "more text" text "-- text"
>text "more text" text "still more" --comment
>(did I leave any out)

text # comment
and variants of that.

>I came across an interesting combination of tokens and words: tokens
>ignore comments, words don't make that distinction. However, the token
>delimiter isn't necessarily where I want it to be:
>
>put the tokens of "put" && quote & "something" & quote && "--comment"
>results in
>put "something
>without the trailing quote.

That's not quite what I see - I get just
put something
i.e. without either quote; that makes sense because once the line is 
tokenized, the quotes are unnecessary.

>But using tokens as counters and words to get the text works. Bizarre
>but true (AFAIKT).

Sorry Mark, it won't work in all cases. In particular, any case where there 
are more tokens than words.

put a+b into c

has 6 tokens
   put
   a
   +
   b
   into
   c

but only 4 words
   put
   a+b
   into
   c

I don't have any suggestions, yet .... but it's an intriguing question, so 
I'll use it as an excuse to avoid gardening this afternoon :-)

-- Alex.

From rjb at rz.uni-potsdam.de  Fri Dec 10 08:22:49 2004
From: rjb at rz.uni-potsdam.de (Robert Brenstein)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 14:22:49 +0100
Subject: parsing comments in scripts
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20041210124601.028c9158@mail.tweedly.net>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20041210124601.028c9158@mail.tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <a0611043cbddf506a3e6d@[141.89.100.235]>

>#comment
>text --comment
>text "more text -- still more"
>text "more text" --comment
>text "more text" text "-- text"
>text "more text" text "still more" --comment
>(did I leave any out)

plenty :) although it may be that only MetaCard allows to use both 
quoting modes.

from the above set

text "more text -- still more" --comment

same with hash

text #comment
text "more text # still more"
text "more text" #comment
text "more text" text "# text"
text "more text" text "still more" #comment
text "more text # still more" #comment

mixed instances

text "more text # still more" --comment
text "more text -- still more" #comment

I also use the following combinations to mark debugging code

text "text" -- #comment
text "text" #-- comment

You could also consider other combo cases

text "more text --- still more" #comment
text "more text -- still more -- still more" #comment
text "more text -- # -- still more" #comment
text "more text ### still more" #comment

In these cases it matters whether you first check for # or -- so you 
should really check both cases and see which has has lower offset.

In general, I think you need to use the offset function for each line 
and check for either -- or # and count whether there is an even 
number of double-quotes before it (setting for example itemdelim to 
quote and get the item count). If count is odd, you are within 
literal and should continue. If count is even, then you hit a 
beginning of comment. I think this approach will work with all cases.

Robert Brenstein


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Dec 10 08:29:33 2004
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 05:29:33 -0800
Subject: parsing comments in scripts
In-Reply-To: <a0611043cbddf506a3e6d@[141.89.100.235]>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20041210124601.028c9158@mail.tweedly.net>
	<a0611043cbddf506a3e6d@[141.89.100.235]>
Message-ID: <41B9A4BD.9020908@fourthworld.com>

Robert Brenstein wrote:
>> #comment
>> text --comment
>> text "more text -- still more"
>> text "more text" --comment
>> text "more text" text "-- text"
>> text "more text" text "still more" --comment
>> (did I leave any out)
> 
> 
> plenty :) although it may be that only MetaCard allows to use both 
> quoting modes.

Make that three:  recently (v2.5?) they added support for multiline 
C-style comments: /* */

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com

From johnrule at rcsprogramming.com  Fri Dec 10 08:54:09 2004
From: johnrule at rcsprogramming.com (John Rule)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 05:54:09 -0800
Subject: THESIS now available (Mathewson)
In-Reply-To: <20041210031448.B580D930154@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <20041210075493.SM00612@minipcxp>


This is a doctoral thesis?

JR


-----Original Message-----

Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2004 14:52:35 -0500
From: "Mathewson" <richmond at mail.maclaunch.com>
Subject: THESIS now available
To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
Cc: metacard at lists.runrev.com
Message-ID: <web-325403162 at mail.maclaunch.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"

Dear xTalkers,

  My Thesis in the form that I have submitted it is now
available in HTML format via the FILES page of my website.

  I am afraid I don't envisage having the prototype
software uploaded anywhere until sometime into the new
year.

  I would like to reiterate my thanks to Monsieur X for his
very kind offer of help.

 Wishing you all an extremely xTalky New Year.

Richmond Mathewson
-----------------------------



From heather at runrev.com  Fri Dec 10 09:45:43 2004
From: heather at runrev.com (Heather Nagey)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 14:45:43 +0000
Subject: Christmas Special - we'll even solve your christmas shopping
	problem
Message-ID: <BDDF6717.32C59%heather@runrev.com>

Dear list members,

www.runrev.com/revbears.php

Having a tough day? Code not doing what it should? Need a mascot to turn
things around? Sometimes what you need is not technical support, but a hug.
These bears are designed to fill this need in every developers' life. Your
unique revBear will provide 24 hour support from your desktop or pocket.
They are excellent and sympathetic listeners - once you explain that knotty
problem in language your bear can understand, you will find it a snip to
write the code.

A revBear is not just for Christmas: he or she will be your friend for life!

Lovingly handcrafted by renowned collectors-bear maker, Tiiu-Imbi Miller,
the bears are 4" tall, made of high quality mohair with shiny glass eyes,
fully jointed and wearing a Runtime Revolution t-shirt. Each bear is hand
crafted and individualized by using various fabrics and facial expressions.
They are collectors' bears and not suitable for children under 14 years of
age.

These bears - without the customized "Power to the Developer" t-shirts -
normally retail for ?25 each. We're selling them to you for only ?20 or
$30(US) inclusive of post and packing. A limited quantity of these bears are
available to ship before Christmas so it's strictly "first-come,
first-served" - order now to avoid disappointment! Your bear is waiting for
you to give it both a loving home and a fulfilled and interesting life!

Happy Holidays to one and all

Heather
-- 

** For a faster response to all licensing, support, and technical issues,
please now send mail to support at runrev.com **

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From fde101 at fjrhome.net  Fri Dec 10 09:47:12 2004
From: fde101 at fjrhome.net (Frank D. Engel, Jr.)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 09:47:12 -0500
Subject: screen resolution problems
In-Reply-To: <F8B3F52C-4A88-11D9-895F-000393103834@swiftdsl.com.au>
References: <F8B3F52C-4A88-11D9-895F-000393103834@swiftdsl.com.au>
Message-ID: <6018D930-4ABA-11D9-8943-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>

Except that if it quits right away, then what is left to change the 
resolution back?  It should stick around and wait for the other 
standalone to exit, then restore the original screen resolution.

Not a bad idea, really...

On Dec 10, 2004, at 3:53 AM, Jonathan Cooper wrote:

> On Wednesday, December 8, 2004, at 02:56  PM, Chipp Walters wrote:
>
>> The easiest solution is to check on startup the screen resolution 
>> (get the screenRect) and if it's not big enough popup an answer 
>> warning dialog telling the user to please quit and change resolutions 
>> and relaunch.
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>> PatGeorgeA at aol.com wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> I have been developing software for testing in schools - built as a 
>>> windows standalone.  The program is made for a 1024 x 768 screen 
>>> size (the card filling about 2/3rds of the screen with a backdrop) - 
>>> the stack is quite complex, it contains lots script, lots of cards, 
>>> each with different fonts, buttons and fields.  Some of the 
>>> computers we wanted to use are networked and set to a screen 
>>> resolution of 800 x 600.   Can anyone suggest a good solution to 
>>> this?  The easiest solution would be to change the resolution of the 
>>> host computers during testing - at the end change it back.  Would 
>>> this be an okay thing to do and does anyone have a script that would 
>>> allow me to do this?   An alternative solution would be to change 
>>> everything on the stack?  Is this solution the best and is there any 
>>> easy way to do this?
>>>
>
> What about a variation of Chipp's suggestion? (Not tested,but it 
> should work) :
> Create a small standalone that just changes the screen resolution if 
> necessary then launches the REAL standalone, then quits itself.
>
> Jonathan Cooper
> Manager of Information / WWW
> Art Gallery of New South Wales                   Art Gallery website:
> Sydney, Australia                    http://www.artgallery.nsw.gov.au
> Tel +61 2 9225 1796                                 Personal website:
> Fax +61 2 9221 5129      http://www.artgallery.nsw.gov.au/sub/jcooper
>
>
> Jonathan Cooper
> Manager of Information / WWW
> Art Gallery of New South Wales                   Art Gallery website:
> Sydney, Australia                    http://www.artgallery.nsw.gov.au
> Tel +61 2 9225 1796                                 Personal website:
> Fax +61 2 9221 5129      http://www.artgallery.nsw.gov.au/sub/jcooper
>
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>
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$ true | cat /usr/manual | grep "John 3:16"
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Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have 
everlasting life.
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From mpetrides at earthlink.net  Fri Dec 10 09:55:34 2004
From: mpetrides at earthlink.net (Marian Petrides)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 09:55:34 -0500
Subject: Christmas Special - we'll even solve your christmas shopping
	problem
In-Reply-To: <BDDF6717.32C59%heather@runrev.com>
References: <BDDF6717.32C59%heather@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <8B7CE73B-4ABB-11D9-AF25-000A959D005E@earthlink.net>

Heather,

The bears are priceless ;-)

One question, however.  Christmas is a mere 2 weeks away. Will US 
customers really get their bear by Christmas if ordered now?

Marian

On Dec 10, 2004, at 9:45 AM, Heather Nagey wrote:

> Dear list members,
>
> www.runrev.com/revbears.php
>
> Having a tough day? Code not doing what it should? Need a mascot to 
> turn
> things around? Sometimes what you need is not technical support, but a 
> hug.
> These bears are designed to fill this need in every developers' life. 
> Your
> unique revBear will provide 24 hour support from your desktop or 
> pocket.
> They are excellent and sympathetic listeners - once you explain that 
> knotty
> problem in language your bear can understand, you will find it a snip 
> to
> write the code.
>
> A revBear is not just for Christmas: he or she will be your friend for 
> life!
>
> Lovingly handcrafted by renowned collectors-bear maker, Tiiu-Imbi 
> Miller,
> the bears are 4" tall, made of high quality mohair with shiny glass 
> eyes,
> fully jointed and wearing a Runtime Revolution t-shirt. Each bear is 
> hand
> crafted and individualized by using various fabrics and facial 
> expressions.
> They are collectors' bears and not suitable for children under 14 
> years of
> age.
>
> These bears - without the customized "Power to the Developer" t-shirts 
> -
> normally retail for ?25 each. We're selling them to you for only ?20 or
> $30(US) inclusive of post and packing. A limited quantity of these 
> bears are
> available to ship before Christmas so it's strictly "first-come,
> first-served" - order now to avoid disappointment! Your bear is 
> waiting for
> you to give it both a loving home and a fulfilled and interesting life!
>
> Happy Holidays to one and all
>
> Heather
> -- 
>
> ** For a faster response to all licensing, support, and technical 
> issues,
> please now send mail to support at runrev.com **
>
> Heather Nagey ~ heather at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/
> Runtime Revolution - User-Centric Development Tools
> Tel +44 (0) 870 747 1165 Fax +44 (0) 845 4588487
> ~~~ Check our web site for new Revolution editions & special offers ~~~
>
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From James.Cass at sealedair.com  Fri Dec 10 11:12:27 2004
From: James.Cass at sealedair.com (James.Cass at sealedair.com)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 11:12:27 -0500
Subject: testing on case
In-Reply-To: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A9469E14@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
Message-ID: <OF823363D8.7EA389EE-ON85256F66.00585D65-85256F66.00593237@sealedair.com>

Jonathan -

That's weird, right?  When I do this in the messagebox or in a button 
script:
        put matchText( z, "^[A-Z]")
I definitely get "false" returned. 

But when I do this in the messagebox
        put matchText( z, "^[aA-zZ]")
I get true.  This is the way I would expect it to behave. 

I don't know why you would be getting different results.  Hmmmm.

I'm running Rev 2.5 on MacOSX 10.3.6. 

- James





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Hi James...

I tried:

matchText( z, "^[A-Z]")

and it worked fine for me...



I tested it in the message box...

matchText("b","^[A-Z]")

returned false, and

matchText("B","^[A-Z]")

returned true



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Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 3:47 PM
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Subject: Re: testing on case

>  The expression matchText( z, "^[A-Z]")
> will return true if (and only when) the
> first character is an ASCII capital letter.

That returns "false" for me.  You'll need to do it like this to cover
upper
and lower case.

matchText(z,"^[aA-zZ]")

Cheers...James




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On Dec 9, 2004, at 11:46 AM, Hershel Fisch wrote:

>> if matchText( param(x), "^[A-Z]") then put xxx else put x
> I don't get it

The expression matchText( z, "^[A-Z]") will return true if (and only
when) the first character is an ASCII capital letter.  The "^" matches
the beginning of the string (or line).  A more exact pattern is "\A"; I
used "^" because it might be more familiar.  The immediately following
pattern [A-Z] matches any letter in the range A-Z in ASCII.  It must
match right after the previous pattern match, that is, the beginning.
There is no pattern matching for the end of the string so the rest of
the string z does not matter.  That is, matchText() returns true if the
pattern occurs anywhere in the string, not just if it matches the whole
string.  (Use \A and \z to match the ends to make a pattern match the
whole string.)

You can find more info on regular expressions here:

http://www.perldoc.com/perl5.8.0/pod/perlre.html

But you have to skip over all the perl specific parts.

You can find more specific information on exact usage of the actual
library used in Revolution and (I assume) Dreamcard here:

http://www.pcre.org/pcre.txt

But you have to skip over all the building and calling parts.  Skip
down to PCRE REGULAR EXPRESSION DETAILS.  I think you need to skip over
the unicode and UTF-8 paragraphs, too, for now.

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From fde101 at fjrhome.net  Fri Dec 10 11:17:51 2004
From: fde101 at fjrhome.net (Frank D. Engel, Jr.)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 11:17:51 -0500
Subject: Arrays in Rev
In-Reply-To: <20041210061512.65100.qmail@web60509.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20041210061512.65100.qmail@web60509.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <0A1D7ADA-4AC7-11D9-8943-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>

As far as records (C's struct types), there are at least two ways to do 
this:

Mathod 1. Arrays

Since array keys can be strings, you can convert something like this:

VAR myRec : RECORD x, y : INTEGER END;

BEGIN
     x := 5;
     y := 7
END;


into something like this:

put 5 into myRec["x"]
put 7 into myRec["y"]

(Transcript's arrays are *really* cool...)


Method 2.  Objects

You can also use custom properties on objects in place of fields on 
records.  So create a button called "myRec", then:

set the x of button "myRec" to 5
set the y of button "myRec" to 7


On Dec 10, 2004, at 1:15 AM, Jan Schenkel wrote:

> --- Gordon <gwalias-rev at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Dear Revolutionaries
>>
>> Can an element of a rev array be another array?
>>
>> If not, is there any way to achieve the effect of
>> nesting arrays - OR if not, is there some way to
>> create new container types (like the structures and
>> unions typical in C and Pascal). Basically - how do
>> I
>> create complex organized containers (objects) to
>> hold
>> my data?
>>
>> Best
>>
>> Gordon
>>
>
> Hi Gordon,
>
> As Xavier pointed out, there are no nested arrays in
> Revolution. In addition to his suggestion to use the
> "split" and "combine" commands when needed, I'd like
> to point at the other two options : crafting array
> keys to simulate the behaviour, and using XML trees as
> a way to hierarchically store information into nodes.
>
> 1. Array keys
> Revolution arrays are actually associative arrays,
> which means that the keys can be any string, and you
> can use separators as much as you like. Example :
> --
>   put "01/01/2003" into \
>       tCustomerData["1,history,23,date"]
>   put tCustomerData["78,contacts,3,phone"] into \
>       tPhoneNumber
> --
>
> 2. XML trees
> If you build your tree correctly, you can get the
> content of your data using calls like :
> --
>   put "data/customers[1]/history[23]/date" into \
>       tNode
>   revPutIntoXMLNode tXMLTree,tNode,"01/01/2003"
>   put "data/customers[78]/contacts[3]/phone" into \
>       tNode
>   put revXMLNodeContents(tXMLTree,tNode) into \
>       tPhoneNumber
> --
> For more information about XML and how Rev supports
> it, make sure to download the tutorial by Sarah
> Reichelt, available from the Runtime Revolution
> website at :
> <http://support.runrev.com/resources/xml.php>
>
> Hope this helped,
>
> Jan Schenkel.
>
> =====
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> time."  (La Rochefoucauld)
>
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From b.xavier at internet.lu  Fri Dec 10 12:20:40 2004
From: b.xavier at internet.lu (MisterX)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 18:20:40 +0100
Subject: parsing comments in scripts
In-Reply-To: <19849545222.20041209230159@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <20041210171152.05EF393005B@mail.runrev.com>

It may not be the fastest but its been quite reliable.
This is the comment stripper for Transcriptolator.
It removes the comments and THEN puts them back (optional...)

It works line be line...

hope it helps...

cheers
Xavier

--
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
-- Comments Handlers
-- a comment stripper rejoiner
-- made to prevent comments translation
-- left locally for local variable usage
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
--

local commentdata


on ClearLineComments
  put empty into commentdata["handler"]
  put empty into commentdata["comment"]
  put false into commentdata["has2ndcomment"]
  put empty into commentdata["comment2"]
  put true into commentdata["commentfinished"]
end ClearLineComments

function StripComments aline
  local a,b
  local has2ndcomment,acomment2
  ClearLineComments
  -- clean up aline
  repeat while char 1 of aline is " "
    delete char 1 of aline
  end repeat
  repeat while char -1 of aline is " "
    delete char -1 of aline
  end repeat
  put offset("/*",aline) into a
  put offset("*/",aline) into b
  if a > 0 then
    if b > 0 then
      put true into commentdata["commentfinished"]
      get char a to b+1 of aline
      delete char a to b+1 of aline
    else
      put false into commentdata["commentfinished"]
      get char a to -1 of aline
      delete char a to -1 of aline
    end if
    put it into acomment
     
  else if commentdata["commentfinished"] is false then
    if b<0 then
      -- middle of a comment
      put aline into acomment
      put empty into aline
    else
      -- end of comment
      if b>0 then
        put char 1 to b+1 of aline into acomment
        if length(aline)>b+1 then 
          put char b+2 to -1 of aline into aline
        end if
        delete char 1 to b+1 of aline
        put true into commentdata["commentfinished"]
      end if
    end if
  end if
   
  put offset("//",aline) into a
  if a > 0 and offset("*/",aline) < a then
    put true into commentdata["commentfinished"]
    get char a to -1 of aline
    delete char a to -1 of aline
     
    put true into has2ndcomment 
    -- finally
    if has2ndcomment is false then
      put it into acomment
      put false into has2ndcomment
    else 
      put it into acomment2
      put true into has2ndcomment
    end if
     
   -- this part is commented since this code was meant
   -- for not xtalk languages. untested...
    --  else 
    --    -- search for -- comments
    --     
    --    put offset("--",aline) into a
    --    if a > 0 then
    --      get char a to -1 of aline
    --      delete char a to -1 of aline
    --       
    --      put true into has2ndcomment 
    --      -- finally
    --      if has2ndcomment is false then
    --        put it into acomment
    --        put false into has2ndcomment
    --      else 
    --        put it into acomment2
    --        put true into has2ndcomment
    --      end if
    --    end if
  end if
   
  repeat while char 1 of aline is " "
    delete char 1 of aline
  end repeat
  repeat while char -1 of aline is " "
    delete char -1 of aline
  end repeat
  put aline into commentdata["handler"]
  repeat while char 1 of acomment is " "
    delete char 1 of acomment
  end repeat
  repeat while char -1 of acomment is " "
    delete char -1 of acomment
  end repeat
  put acomment into commentdata["comment"]
   
  get has2ndcomment is true
  repeat while char 1 of acomment2 is " "
    delete char 1 of acomment2
  end repeat
  repeat while char -1 of acomment2 is " "
    delete char -1 of acomment2
  end repeat
  put it into commentdata["has2ndcomment"]
  if it then put acomment2 into commentdata["comment2"]
   
  return aline
end StripComments
  
function linewocomments
  -- return statement without comments
  return commentdata["handler"]
end linewocomments

function LineComments
  get commentdata["has2ndcomment"]
  if it then
    get commentdata["comment"] && commentdata["comment2"]
  else 
    get commentdata["comment"]
  end if
  return it
end LineComments

function RestoreOrigComments
  local thisline,linecomment
  get commentdata["handler"] into thisline
  put LineComments() into linecomment
  if linecomment is empty then return thisline
  else return thisline && linecomment
  ClearLineComments
end RestoreOrigComments



From gizmotron at earthlink.net  Fri Dec 10 13:34:14 2004
From: gizmotron at earthlink.net (Mark Brownell)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 10:34:14 -0800
Subject: Arrays in Rev
In-Reply-To: <0A1D7ADA-4AC7-11D9-8943-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>
Message-ID: <17979DBA-4ADA-11D9-B991-000A95743F7A@earthlink.net>

Hi,

I fooled around with array's and pull-parsers for an easier solution.

"Dimensional Arrays:

This thing is not a real array within an array, it just acts like one. 
It provides a way to store the data as MTML, like simple XML. This 
version is created with functions that can be copied to your own 
scripts.

Paste this into the message window:
go URL "http://www.gizmotron.org/revolution/dimensionalList.rev"

   -- see stack scripts for functions
   -- function addArray dataString, spotArray, theData
   -- Note: addArray() will replace data that already exists in the 
dataString
   -- Example for adding multi-dimensional data:
   -- put addArray(myMTMLDataString, "[1][4][5]", "John Doe") into field 
"showMTML"
   -- put addArray(myMTMLDataString, "1,4,5", "John Doe") into field 
"showMTML"

   -- see stack scripts for functions
   -- function getArray dataString, spotArray
   -- Example for getting multi-dimensional data:
   -- put getArray(myMTMLDataString, "[1][4][5]") into field "showData"
   -- put getArray(myMTMLDataString, "1,4,5") into field "showData"

An old eperiment from the past:

> put: go url "http://www.gizmotron.org/frogbreath.rev" into the message 
> window with a active internet connection.


Regarding a comment about my pull-parser used in this I have been using 
it to run my MTML browser and speed. In that browser I was using set 
the htmlText of field "offScreenField1" to thisVar and then using put 
the htmlText of field "offScreenField1" to thatVar after that. This 
turned out to be the choke point in my parser. I needed to clean up 
fragments of html that didn't have completed syntax because only a 
smaller portion of the full markup was being used in the thisVar 
variable above. Rev has the ability to correct bad html. An example of 
that would be in grabbing the front part of an anchor tag while not 
including the end tag. the htmlText function adds it in so that the 
anchor works properly.

Once I used lock screen and unlock screen my cleanup script went from 
356 ticks to 0 ticks when parsing a once considered very large 
document. So it now looks like I have my solution to fast enough 
pull-parsing.

Mark Brownell
Gizmotron Graphics



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Dec 10 14:13:22 2004
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 11:13:22 -0800
Subject: Arrays in Rev
In-Reply-To: <17979DBA-4ADA-11D9-B991-000A95743F7A@earthlink.net>
References: <17979DBA-4ADA-11D9-B991-000A95743F7A@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <41B9F552.809@fourthworld.com>

Mark Brownell wrote:
> This thing is not a real array within an array, it just acts like one. 

I hate to reinforce any perceptions of my curmudgeonliness, but for the 
benefit of newcomers here it may be useful to remind folks that while 
this indexed array is scripted, Rev's built-in associative arrays are 
just as "real" as associative arrays in any other language (and sometime 
more useful than strictly numerically indexed ones).

That said, your lib looks quite enticing. Good work!

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  __________________________________________________
  Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev

From richmond at mail.maclaunch.com  Fri Dec 10 13:41:04 2004
From: richmond at mail.maclaunch.com (Mathewson)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 13:41:04 -0500
Subject: Mathewson's Thesis
Message-ID: <web-325451989@mail.maclaunch.com>

This is a Masters degree Thesis as is explicitly stated on
the cover page.

I don't have either the money, the time, or he
self-discipline to spend 3-4 years on a Doctoral thesis!

Richmond

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From alex at tweedly.net  Fri Dec 10 14:26:15 2004
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 19:26:15 +0000
Subject: parsing comments in scripts
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20041210124601.028c9158@mail.tweedly.net>
References: <19849545222.20041209230159@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20041210190751.02999f68@mail.tweedly.net>

At 13:01 10/12/2004 +0000, Alex Tweedly wrote:
>At 23:01 09/12/2004 -0800, Mark Wieder wrote:
>>I came across an interesting combination of tokens and words: tokens
>>ignore comments, words don't make that distinction. However, the token
>>delimiter isn't necessarily where I want it to be:
>>
>>put the tokens of "put" && quote & "something" & quote && "--comment"
>>results in
>>put "something
>>without the trailing quote.
>
>That's not quite what I see - I get just
>put something
>i.e. without either quote; that makes sense because once the line is 
>tokenized, the quotes are unnecessary.

Sorry - my error. I had already changed my script to investigate the case 
described later in my email (put a+b into c)

So (naturally enough, with hindsight) using something like
   token N
returns JUST the token itself, whereas
   token N to K
returns the intervening delimiters, but not any trailing one.

So we only need to restore any trailing quote, which is only needed if the 
final token started out being quoted, therefore

function StripComments theLine
   local theResult
   put token 1 to -1 of theLine into theResult
    if quote is in token -2 to -1 of theLine then put quote after theResult
   return theResult
end StripComents

should do it OK. Seems to work for my simple testing so far - but there may 
be cases I haven't thought of yet.

Unfortunately, it appears that token DOES include the C-style comment 
delimiters recently introduced, and they can be multi-line, so you'll need 
to do something more to deal with that.

-- Alex.

From alex at tweedly.net  Fri Dec 10 14:44:54 2004
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 19:44:54 +0000
Subject: Arrays in Rev
In-Reply-To: <41B9F552.809@fourthworld.com>
References: <17979DBA-4ADA-11D9-B991-000A95743F7A@earthlink.net>
 <17979DBA-4ADA-11D9-B991-000A95743F7A@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20041210193908.029e9088@mail.tweedly.net>

At 11:13 10/12/2004 -0800, Richard Gaskin wrote:

>Mark Brownell wrote:
>>This thing is not a real array within an array, it just acts like one.
>
>I hate to reinforce any perceptions of my curmudgeonliness, but for the 
>benefit of newcomers here it may be useful to remind folks that while this 
>indexed array is scripted, Rev's built-in associative arrays are just as 
>"real" as associative arrays in any other language (and sometime more 
>useful than strictly numerically indexed ones).

It's "real", but it is NOT *within* another array.
In Rev, you cannot do something equivalent to

put "abc" into a[1]
put  "def" into a[2]

put "ghi" into b["z"]
put a into b["y"]

which you can (with different syntax) in Perl, Python, (I think) Ruby, ....

I'm not particularly claiming that it's good practice to do so :-)   - but 
you can do it.

-- Alex.

From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Fri Dec 10 15:11:39 2004
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 12:11:39 -0800
Subject: parsing comments in scripts
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20041210124601.028c9158@mail.tweedly.net>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20041210124601.028c9158@mail.tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <692577305.20041210121139@ahsoftware.net>

Alex-

Friday, December 10, 2004, 5:01:53 AM, you wrote:

>>(did I leave any out)

AT> text # comment
AT> and variants of that.

...yes, I was thinking of # and -- as interchangeable here.

>>put the tokens of "put" && quote & "something" & quote && "--comment"

AT> That's not quite what I see - I get just
AT> put something
AT> i.e. without either quote; that makes sense because once the line is
AT> tokenized, the quotes are unnecessary.

My bad typing - I left out the parens. Make that
put the tokens of ("put" && quote & "something" & quote &&
"--comment")

AT> Sorry Mark, it won't work in all cases. In particular, any case where there
AT> are more tokens than words.

AT> put a+b into c

... dang operator tokens... back to the drawing board...

AT> I don't have any suggestions, yet .... but it's an intriguing question, so
AT> I'll use it as an excuse to avoid gardening this afternoon :-)

Well, winter itself (or December) should be a good excuse. Me, I was
happy to get some greens in the ground before the rains started.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net


From alex at tweedly.net  Fri Dec 10 15:19:20 2004
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 20:19:20 +0000
Subject: parsing comments in scripts
In-Reply-To: <41B9A4BD.9020908@fourthworld.com>
References: <a0611043cbddf506a3e6d@[141.89.100.235]>
 <5.1.0.14.0.20041210124601.028c9158@mail.tweedly.net>
 <a0611043cbddf506a3e6d@[141.89.100.235]>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20041210195653.0289af08@mail.tweedly.net>

At 05:29 10/12/2004 -0800, Richard Gaskin wrote:

>Make that three:  recently (v2.5?) they added support for multiline 
>C-style comments: /* */

I love it when you get two, very different ways to create comments, and 
they can interact

Any votes for how to interpret
put "asd" & /* comment -- this here */ "def " into msg

Choices are
1. The /* starts a comment, so the -- is part of that comment, and the */ 
ends it; i.e. it is   equivalent to       put "asd" & "def" into msg

2. The /* starts a comment, AND the -- starts a comment and everything 
after that is part of a comment - all the way to the end of the line.

The script interpreter thinks version 1, while the script colorizer thinks 
something very close to 2.
Sometimes it colors everything from the /* to the end of the line as a 
comment; other times it colors the /* and -- onwards (but not the word comment)

-- Alex.

From troy at rpsystems.net  Fri Dec 10 15:17:27 2004
From: troy at rpsystems.net (Troy Rollins)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 15:17:27 -0500
Subject: Arrays in Rev
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20041210193908.029e9088@mail.tweedly.net>
References: <17979DBA-4ADA-11D9-B991-000A95743F7A@earthlink.net>
	<17979DBA-4ADA-11D9-B991-000A95743F7A@earthlink.net>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20041210193908.029e9088@mail.tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <833A9A1E-4AE8-11D9-8408-000A95A09CF8@rpsystems.net>


On Dec 10, 2004, at 2:44 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote:

> It's "real", but it is NOT *within* another array.
> In Rev, you cannot do something equivalent to
>
> put "abc" into a[1]
> put  "def" into a[2]
>
> put "ghi" into b["z"]
> put a into b["y"]
>
> which you can (with different syntax) in Perl, Python, (I think) Ruby, 
> ....

Or in Lingo -

myVar = [#check: [#this: [#out: "Cool"]]]

put myVar.check.this.out
-- "Cool"

put myVar[1][1][1]
-- "Cool"

People will debate the usefulness of such constructs, but I have yet to 
see anything in Transcript which is nearly so elegant for complex 
iterative evaluations. I strongly believe that Transcript needs this 
type of data structuring... but then of course, I don't let go easily 
to what I've learned and switch to what some Rev users would consider 
more "native" data management techniques which *are* available, though 
*much* more "wordy" to get there, and certainly do not iterate as 
elegantly.
--
Troy
RPSystems, Ltd.
http://www.rpsystems.net


From dsc at swcp.com  Fri Dec 10 15:18:17 2004
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 13:18:17 -0700
Subject: testing on case
In-Reply-To: <OF823363D8.7EA389EE-ON85256F66.00585D65-85256F66.00593237@sealedair.com>
References: <OF823363D8.7EA389EE-ON85256F66.00585D65-85256F66.00593237@sealedair.com>
Message-ID: <A0B59E5A-4AE8-11D9-B932-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>


On Dec 10, 2004, at 9:12 AM, James.Cass at sealedair.com wrote:

>         put matchText( z, "^[A-Z]")
> I definitely get "false" returned.

matchText( "mom", "^[A-Z]")
==>
false

matchText( "Mom", "^[A-Z]")
==>
true

matchText( "=Mom", "^[A-Z]")
==>
false

matchText( "\Mom", "^[A-Z]")
==>
false

This is consistent with testing whether the first character is a 
capital (ASCII) letter.

The regex looks good.

> But when I do this in the messagebox
>         put matchText( z, "^[aA-zZ]")
> I get true.  This is the way I would expect it to behave.

put matchText( "mom", "^[aA-zZ]")
==>
true

put matchText( "Mom", "^[aA-zZ]")
==>
true

put matchText( "=Mom", "^[aA-zZ]")
==>
false

put matchText( "\Mom", "^[aA-zZ]")
==>
true

Here is what is going on.  The pattern [aA-zZ] will match any of these 
letters:

a
ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWZYZ[\]^_`abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz
Z

The range portion is usually environment dependent and depends on the 
collating order or the coding order used in an implementation.  For 
ASCII and code sets that are supersets of ASCII, the pattern A-z would 
result in matching the middle line above.

charToNum("A")    ==>  65
charToNum("\")    ==>  92
charToNum("z")    ==>  122

An alternative that might be better for the future is this:

     matchText( "mom", "^[[:upper:]]")
or better
     matchText( "mom", "\A[[:upper:]]")

The matching is currently ASCII, but the library can handle UTF-8, 
somewhat, and if Revolution is ever extended to handle that, that 
pattern should be ready.  It might be that the library will also be 
extended to handle other popular high codes.

Dar

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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Fri Dec 10 15:22:23 2004
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 12:22:23 -0800
Subject: parsing comments in scripts
In-Reply-To: <41B9A4BD.9020908@fourthworld.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20041210124601.028c9158@mail.tweedly.net>
 <a0611043cbddf506a3e6d@[141.89.100.235]> <41B9A4BD.9020908@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <1763221522.20041210122223@ahsoftware.net>

Richard-

Friday, December 10, 2004, 5:29:33 AM, you wrote:

RG> Make that three:  recently (v2.5?) they added support for multiline
RG> C-style comments: /* */

Right. I forgot to mention those. I have to handle those separately,
of course, because they can and usually do cover multiple lines.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net


From dsc at swcp.com  Fri Dec 10 15:23:24 2004
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 13:23:24 -0700
Subject: parsing comments in scripts
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20041210190751.02999f68@mail.tweedly.net>
References: <19849545222.20041209230159@ahsoftware.net>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20041210190751.02999f68@mail.tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <57D757B0-4AE9-11D9-B932-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>


On Dec 10, 2004, at 12:26 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote:

> Unfortunately, it appears that token DOES include the C-style comment 
> delimiters recently introduced, and they can be multi-line, so you'll 
> need to do something more to deal with that.

I missed most of this.  I'll just throw in this comment to consider in 
parsing:

/* */ style comments form intra-command whitespace, not inter-command 
whitespace; they cannot take the place of a ; or a lf, even if they 
include a lf.

Dar
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Fri Dec 10 15:28:23 2004
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 12:28:23 -0800
Subject: parsing comments in scripts
In-Reply-To: <a0611043cbddf506a3e6d@[141\.89\.100\.235]>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20041210124601.028c9158@mail.tweedly.net>
 <a0611043cbddf506a3e6d@[141.89.100.235]>
Message-ID: <1453581479.20041210122823@ahsoftware.net>

Robert-

Friday, December 10, 2004, 5:22:49 AM, you wrote:

RB> In these cases it matters whether you first check for # or -- so you
RB> should really check both cases and see which has has lower offset.

I don't think so. They're interchangeable at that level.

RB> In general, I think you need to use the offset function for each line
RB> and check for either -- or # and count whether there is an even 
RB> number of double-quotes before it (setting for example itemdelim to
RB> quote and get the item count). If count is odd, you are within 
RB> literal and should continue. If count is even, then you hit a 
RB> beginning of comment. I think this approach will work with all cases.

Yes - I was doing something complicated like that and hit on the
tokens thing as a way to simplify and speed things up. I'll probably
have to go back that way again. BTW - the item count thing won't work
because you still don't know the order, especially in cases where
there are multiple quotes and/or possible comment chars.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net


From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Fri Dec 10 15:36:58 2004
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 12:36:58 -0800
Subject: Arrays in Rev
In-Reply-To: <833A9A1E-4AE8-11D9-8408-000A95A09CF8@rpsystems.net>
References: <17979DBA-4ADA-11D9-B991-000A95743F7A@earthlink.net>
	<17979DBA-4ADA-11D9-B991-000A95743F7A@earthlink.net>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20041210193908.029e9088@mail.tweedly.net>
	<833A9A1E-4AE8-11D9-8408-000A95A09CF8@rpsystems.net>
Message-ID: <3D19A096-4AEB-11D9-9D6F-000D9337CDC8@mangomultimedia.com>

On Dec 10, 2004, at 12:17 PM, Troy Rollins wrote:
> Or in Lingo -
>
> myVar = [#check: [#this: [#out: "Cool"]]]
>
> put myVar.check.this.out
> -- "Cool"
>
> put myVar[1][1][1]
> -- "Cool"
>
> People will debate the usefulness of such constructs, but I have yet 
> to see anything in Transcript which is nearly so elegant for complex 
> iterative evaluations. I strongly believe that Transcript needs this 
> type of data structuring... but then of course, I don't let go easily 
> to what I've learned and switch to what some Rev users would consider 
> more "native" data management techniques which *are* available, though 
> *much* more "wordy" to get there, and certainly do not iterate as 
> elegantly.

I too think Transcript could use some work in this area.  I really like 
dealing with arrays in PHP.  It is very easy to create nested arrays 
and to iterate over them since you can get the number of children of an 
array element.  There are a whole bunch of fun functions for 
manipulating them as well.  Though many things I would use arrays for 
in PHP can be accomplished using lines and items in Transcript I find 
myself needing a data type which supports nesting and iteration to more 
easily model certain types of data.  I would really like to see an 
improvement in this area in the future.


-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Multimedia
trevor at mangomultimedia.com


From gwalias-rev at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 10 15:39:50 2004
From: gwalias-rev at yahoo.com (Gordon)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 12:39:50 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Arrays in Rev
In-Reply-To: <833A9A1E-4AE8-11D9-8408-000A95A09CF8@rpsystems.net>
Message-ID: <20041210203950.6028.qmail@web51110.mail.yahoo.com>

Dear Revolutionaries

Thanks for all the suggestions - I appreciate the
help.

I have to say that I agree with Troy - it seems like
rr could really use some kind of elegant solution to
this problem. Sure - it's possible to work around it,
but having to code these kind of basic housekeeping
functions introduces more room for the unexpected to
occur and ultimately makes rr less robust if you have
to rely on a bunch of extra code to do something that
could be innate in the language.

IMHO, the single greatest feature in the Python
language is the nestable keyed libraries that can be
freely mixed with lists. How beautiful, simple,
elegant and still readable ten years later it is, when
you can use something like:

for client in myBusiness["clients"]["european"]:
   if client["city"] == "Munich":
       dataBase["My Munich Clients"].append(client)

I would vote for something like this in rr :)

Best

Gordon


--- Troy Rollins <troy at rpsystems.net> wrote:

> 
> On Dec 10, 2004, at 2:44 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote:
> 
> > It's "real", but it is NOT *within* another array.
> > In Rev, you cannot do something equivalent to
> >
> > put "abc" into a[1]
> > put  "def" into a[2]
> >
> > put "ghi" into b["z"]
> > put a into b["y"]
> >
> > which you can (with different syntax) in Perl,
> Python, (I think) Ruby, 
> > ....
> 
> Or in Lingo -
> 
> myVar = [#check: [#this: [#out: "Cool"]]]
> 
> put myVar.check.this.out
> -- "Cool"
> 
> put myVar[1][1][1]
> -- "Cool"
> 
> People will debate the usefulness of such
> constructs, but I have yet to 
> see anything in Transcript which is nearly so
> elegant for complex 
> iterative evaluations. I strongly believe that
> Transcript needs this 
> type of data structuring... but then of course, I
> don't let go easily 
> to what I've learned and switch to what some Rev
> users would consider 
> more "native" data management techniques which *are*
> available, though 
> *much* more "wordy" to get there, and certainly do
> not iterate as 
> elegantly.
> --
> Troy
> RPSystems, Ltd.
> http://www.rpsystems.net
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> 


=====
:::::::::: Gordon Webster ::::::::::

From troy at rpsystems.net  Fri Dec 10 15:51:21 2004
From: troy at rpsystems.net (Troy Rollins)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 15:51:21 -0500
Subject: Arrays in Rev
In-Reply-To: <20041210203950.6028.qmail@web51110.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20041210203950.6028.qmail@web51110.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3F2AEDCB-4AED-11D9-8408-000A95A09CF8@rpsystems.net>


On Dec 10, 2004, at 3:39 PM, Gordon wrote:

> IMHO, the single greatest feature in the Python
> language is the nestable keyed libraries that can be
> freely mixed with lists. How beautiful, simple,
> elegant and still readable ten years later it is, when
> you can use something like:

Curiously, Python and Lingo are almost identical languages when Lingo 
is used in dot-syntax format. The python example supplied is very 
nearly valid Lingo.

When Lingo is used in verbose format, it is almost identical to 
Transcript.

dot-syntax was an evolution of the language which did not exist in 
original Lingo. Though I've no doubt it was an expensive evolution in 
terms of development costs.

Incidentally, I've decided to add Python to my list of languages 
recently, specifically because it looks like the migration from Lingo 
should be a snap.
--
Troy
RPSystems, Ltd.
http://www.rpsystems.net


From jrosat at mac.com  Fri Dec 10 16:31:26 2004
From: jrosat at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?J=E9r=F4me_Rosat?=)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 22:31:26 +0100
Subject: Disappointed by Dreamcard/Revolution
Message-ID: <D8EE2539-4AF2-11D9-8CDF-00039344A87E@mac.com>

Hello,

I have a PowerBook G4 450MHz with MacOS 10.3. I discovered Revolution a 
few month ago. So I decided to buy Dreamcard to test it.

I am very surprised by the reactions of this application:

After a few hours of use:
- the keyboard shortcuts (copy/past for example) don't work any more
- the Inspector button in the toolbar don't work (the inspector palette 
don't open or twice)
- the name of an element (stack or field) change without typing 
something in the field name in the basic properties
   so I close the stack without saving and I open it again: the "new" 
name is still present
- each time I click-right on a word in the script window a new 
Documentation stack open and appear in the Application Browser: after 1 
hour, the Application Browser is full of stacks
- I tried to develop a small application for a french environment: I 
had much problems with the accents.
- etc.

It's as if the interface was unstable, not finished.

If Revolution is the same, I am not certain that it is possible to 
develop an application for a big company or an official administration.

And if you don't understand or write english, you should not hope to 
obtain any support !

At the beginning I was very exited by Revolution, but finally I'm 
totally disappointed.

J?r?me Rosat

1212 Grand-Lancy / Gen?ve

From dsc at swcp.com  Fri Dec 10 16:39:30 2004
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 14:39:30 -0700
Subject: parsing comments in scripts
In-Reply-To: <1453581479.20041210122823@ahsoftware.net>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20041210124601.028c9158@mail.tweedly.net>
	<a0611043cbddf506a3e6d@[141.89.100.235]>
	<1453581479.20041210122823@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <F994380A-4AF3-11D9-B932-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>


On Dec 10, 2004, at 1:28 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:

> RB> In general, I think you need to use the offset function for each 
> line
> RB> and check for either -- or # and count whether there is an even
> RB> number of double-quotes before it (setting for example itemdelim to
> RB> quote and get the item count). If count is odd, you are within
> RB> literal and should continue. If count is even, then you hit a
> RB> beginning of comment. I think this approach will work with all 
> cases.
...
> Yes - I was doing something complicated like that and hit on the
> tokens thing as a way to simplify and speed things up.

Don't forget special parsing for this:

format("..."

Dar

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From david at kwinter.ca  Fri Dec 10 16:54:48 2004
From: david at kwinter.ca (David Kwinter)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 13:54:48 -0800
Subject: Possible encrypt/decrypt bug
Message-ID: <005601c4df02$deb63bf0$6601a8c0@davidvq5o4w7vw>

I've checked bugzilla and haven't found this, I thought I'd run it by this 
list before posting a new bug.

These should both answer "true" at the end, but the first, using "key" 
doesn't. I've encountered it while encrypting and decrypting binary files, 
expecting to reproduce the files exactly.

on mouseUp
    answer file "Choose a file"
    put it into fPath
    open file fPath for binary read
    read from file fPath until end
    put it into originalData
    close file fPath
    repeat 32 times
    put numToChar(random(255)) after tKey
    end repeat
    encrypt originalData using "aes256" with key tKey at 256 bit
    put it into encryptedData
    decrypt encryptedData using "aes256" with key tKey at 256 bit
    put it into restoredData
    answer restoredData=originalData #### answers false
end mouseUp

on mouseUp
    answer file "Choose a file"
    put it into fPath
    open file fPath for binary read
    read from file fPath until end
    put it into originalData
    close file fPath
    repeat 32 times
        put numToChar(random(255)) after tKey
    end repeat
    encrypt originalData using "aes256" with password tKey at 256 bit
    put it into encryptedData
    decrypt encryptedData using "aes256" with password tKey at 256 bit
    put it into restoredData
    answer restoredData=originalData #### answers true
end mouseUp

Even though it seems that a binary key works as the password I'd like to 
know if passwords are supposed to be restricted to certain chars and if the 
second script is less secure than the first, if it worked.

Thanks for any help 


From hugh at hulagal.net  Fri Dec 10 16:55:46 2004
From: hugh at hulagal.net (Hugh Gallagher)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 14:55:46 -0700
Subject: parsing comments in scripts
In-Reply-To: <F994380A-4AF3-11D9-B932-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20041210124601.028c9158@mail.tweedly.net>
	<a0611043cbddf506a3e6d@[141.89.100.235]>
	<1453581479.20041210122823@ahsoftware.net>
	<F994380A-4AF3-11D9-B932-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <3F38C411-4AF6-11D9-B5A3-000393103900@hulagal.net>

Dar, thanks for the tip.  Hugh


On Dec 10, 2004, at 2:39 PM, Dar Scott wrote:

>
> On Dec 10, 2004, at 1:28 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:
>
>> RB> In general, I think you need to use the offset function for each 
>> line
>> RB> and check for either -- or # and count whether there is an even
>> RB> number of double-quotes before it (setting for example itemdelim 
>> to
>> RB> quote and get the item count). If count is odd, you are within
>> RB> literal and should continue. If count is even, then you hit a
>> RB> beginning of comment. I think this approach will work with all 
>> cases.
> ...
>> Yes - I was doing something complicated like that and hit on the
>> tokens thing as a way to simplify and speed things up.
>
> Don't forget special parsing for this:
>
> format("..."
>
> Dar
>
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From dsc at swcp.com  Fri Dec 10 17:46:10 2004
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 15:46:10 -0700
Subject: Possible encrypt/decrypt bug
In-Reply-To: <005601c4df02$deb63bf0$6601a8c0@davidvq5o4w7vw>
References: <005601c4df02$deb63bf0$6601a8c0@davidvq5o4w7vw>
Message-ID: <49433A2C-4AFD-11D9-901D-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>


On Dec 10, 2004, at 2:54 PM, David Kwinter wrote:

> I've checked bugzilla and haven't found this, I thought I'd run it by 
> this list before posting a new bug.
...
>    encrypt originalData using "aes256" with key tKey at 256 bit
>    put it into encryptedData
>    decrypt encryptedData using "aes256" with key tKey at 256 bit
>    put it into restoredData

See bug 2405.  A salt prefix is added for encryption using the key 
method when it should not be.  The decryption does not have this 
problem.

One workaround is to delete the first 16 bytes after ecrypt with key.

This bug might get fixed, so you might consider doing that only if the 
first 8 bytes are "Salted__" or if the engine is in some range.

The key method also does not allow an IV to be specified (or at least I 
haven't figured out how).  This does not apply in some cases and can be 
scripted around in some, if you know your way around block modes.

Dar

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From psahores at easynet.fr  Fri Dec 10 18:43:29 2004
From: psahores at easynet.fr (Pierre Sahores)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 00:43:29 +0100
Subject: Disappointed by Dreamcard/Revolution
In-Reply-To: <D8EE2539-4AF2-11D9-8CDF-00039344A87E@mac.com>
References: <D8EE2539-4AF2-11D9-8CDF-00039344A87E@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4B16D509-4B05-11D9-9F0B-000A95C61E96@easynet.fr>

Hi J?r?me,

I don't use Dreamcard because i'm owning a Revolution Entreprise 
license... witch i use, as my main tool, to develop "n-tier" web, erp 
and video-streaming apps for my customers (french administrations : 
education, universities, towns, local administrations). As Metacard was 
before it, Rev is a great tool with a powerfull and mainly unbugged 
engine and some cosmetic bugs in the IDE. In reading your mail, it 
seems Dreamcard is realy buggy... and it's probably because this IDE is 
a little too young. To get a best idea of the real potential of the Rev 
product line, i would recommand you to test a Rev Studio issue (the 
same as the Entreprise Edition instead of the native Oracle DB 
support). I'm sure you will get a more interesting experience.

Hope this can help :-)

Best Regards,

Le 10 d?c. 04, ? 22:31, J?r?me Rosat a ?crit :

> Hello,
>
> I have a PowerBook G4 450MHz with MacOS 10.3. I discovered Revolution 
> a few month ago. So I decided to buy Dreamcard to test it.
>
> I am very surprised by the reactions of this application:
>
> After a few hours of use:
> - the keyboard shortcuts (copy/past for example) don't work any more
> - the Inspector button in the toolbar don't work (the inspector 
> palette don't open or twice)
> - the name of an element (stack or field) change without typing 
> something in the field name in the basic properties
>   so I close the stack without saving and I open it again: the "new" 
> name is still present
> - each time I click-right on a word in the script window a new 
> Documentation stack open and appear in the Application Browser: after 
> 1 hour, the Application Browser is full of stacks
> - I tried to develop a small application for a french environment: I 
> had much problems with the accents.
> - etc.
>
> It's as if the interface was unstable, not finished.
>
> If Revolution is the same, I am not certain that it is possible to 
> develop an application for a big company or an official 
> administration.
>
> And if you don't understand or write english, you should not hope to 
> obtain any support !
>
> At the beginning I was very exited by Revolution, but finally I'm 
> totally disappointed.
>
> J?r?me Rosat
>
> 1212 Grand-Lancy / Gen?ve
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
>
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From gizmotron at earthlink.net  Fri Dec 10 20:00:03 2004
From: gizmotron at earthlink.net (Mark Brownell)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 17:00:03 -0800
Subject: Arrays in Rev
In-Reply-To: <833A9A1E-4AE8-11D9-8408-000A95A09CF8@rpsystems.net>
Message-ID: <FD4E4FAC-4B0F-11D9-81D2-000A95743F7A@earthlink.net>


On Friday, December 10, 2004, at 12:17 PM, Troy Rollins wrote:

> Or in Lingo -
>
> myVar = [#check: [#this: [#out: "Cool"]]]
>
> put myVar.check.this.out
> -- "Cool"
>
> put myVar[1][1][1]
> -- "Cool"
>
[snip]
> Troy

That's where I got it, Director.

The point I'm making is that it's a container that can store 
information at numerical points [101][2][23] or 101,2,23 or any 
delimiter that you select. I get what I needed in Lingo working fine 
for me in transcript. I'm just thankful that it works fast enough to be 
worth it.

Mark


From gizmotron at earthlink.net  Fri Dec 10 20:12:09 2004
From: gizmotron at earthlink.net (Mark Brownell)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 17:12:09 -0800
Subject: Arrays in Rev
In-Reply-To: <41B9F552.809@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <AE88E293-4B11-11D9-81D2-000A95743F7A@earthlink.net>


On Friday, December 10, 2004, at 11:13 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Mark Brownell wrote:
>> This thing is not a real array within an array, it just acts like one.
>
> I hate to reinforce any perceptions of my curmudgeonliness, but for 
> the benefit of newcomers here it may be useful to remind folks that 
> while this indexed array is scripted, Rev's built-in associative 
> arrays are just as "real" as associative arrays in any other language 
> (and sometime more useful than strictly numerically indexed ones).
>
> That said, your lib looks quite enticing. Good work!
>
> --
>  Richard Gaskin

Thanks,

I threw this together just to see if I could tell some information to 
be stored at location 12, 2,444,5 in an array and to see how practical 
it would be to use a parser and an index handler to call information 
from an array. It works great for my needs. I suppose it could be 
created to handle dot  syntax just to prove it's possible.

Mark


From troy at rpsystems.net  Fri Dec 10 20:28:04 2004
From: troy at rpsystems.net (Troy Rollins)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 20:28:04 -0500
Subject: Arrays in Rev
In-Reply-To: <FD4E4FAC-4B0F-11D9-81D2-000A95743F7A@earthlink.net>
References: <FD4E4FAC-4B0F-11D9-81D2-000A95743F7A@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <E796F27D-4B13-11D9-BD6A-000A95A09CF8@rpsystems.net>


On Dec 10, 2004, at 8:00 PM, Mark Brownell wrote:

> The point I'm making is that it's a container that can store 
> information at numerical points [101][2][23] or 101,2,23 or any 
> delimiter that you select. I get what I needed in Lingo working fine 
> for me in transcript. I'm just thankful that it works fast enough to 
> be worth it.

But... Lingo's are REAL.

AFAICT... you are using strings... which *look* like multidimensional 
arrays, yet they would not *work* like multi-dimensional arrays. It 
looks to me more like you have a mechanism which allows *naming* and 
storing of variables in the same context as a multi-dimensional array. 
It looks like your version is basically a way to avoid coming up with 
unique names for a lot of variables... which is cool, and all, but 
that's all it is.

But how do they perform the same functions? For instance with a 
multi-level nested repeat loop iterating over the contents with a real 
multi-dimensional array? Or is there some equally convoluted code to do 
that?

Don't get me wrong. Cool solutions I can respect. But what works for 
you (or I) as a personal solution is not necessarily something which is 
portable to others - nor is it necessarily what they want or need.
--
Troy
RPSystems, Ltd.
http://www.rpsystems.net


From katir at hindu.org  Fri Dec 10 23:51:05 2004
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 18:51:05 -1000
Subject: Connecting to PostGreSQL on same machine: Mac OSX
Message-ID: <443422D8-4B30-11D9-998F-000A959D0AC6@hindu.org>

Alright... I've successfully installed PostGreSQL on my mac... in the  
terminal it's up and running, I've created a database and just now did

select * from taskroster

and got my two test rows returned... but..

in the Mac's activity monitor... i don't see a process named "Postgres"
just the tcsh shell I have open to talk to Postgres...

And also, in rev, this fails:

  put  
revOpenDatabase("Postgresql","localhost","katir_test","postgres","myPass 
Word")

could not connect to server: Connection refused
	Is the server running on host "localhost" and accepting
	TCP/IP connections on port 5432?

my computer name on the lan is "katir.hindu.org"  but

  put  
revOpenDatabase("Postgresql","katir.hindu.org","katir_test","postgres"," 
myPassWord")

does not work either..

I'm sure this must be simple...

TIA

Sannyasin Sivakatirswami
Himalayan Academy Publications
at Kauai's Hindu Monastery
katir at hindu.org

www.HimalayanAcademy.com,
www.HinduismToday.com
www.Gurudeva.org
www.Hindu.org


From CSZASZ at kcs.kana.k12.wv.us  Sat Dec 11 00:53:30 2004
From: CSZASZ at kcs.kana.k12.wv.us (CHARLES W SZASZ)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 00:53:30 -0500
Subject: Popup menu and radio buttons
Message-ID: <WorldClient-F200412110053.AA53300123@kcs.kana.k12.wv.us>

In my project, I have created a popup menu that has 22 choices of 
combinations of IQ and achievement tests. Each selection has one IQ and 
one achievement test. Each test such as an IQ may have four to five 
scores, while each achievement test may have as many as 10 scores.  
Each combination of tests in the popup window has a different set of 
scores.  In other words, they are not always equal.

My lookup table would require a correlation for scores from both tests 
plus reliability coefficients for each IQ and achievement score. In 
addition to the above requirements for each popup selection, I want to 
have radio buttons appear representing on my card so the user can 
select a radio button and enter the score the radio it represents for 
the IQ test. Also, the areas of the achievement tests (with a place to 
enter each achievement or subachievement score) would be displayed 
depending on the IQ and achievement combo selected. It is possible to 
set up a popup menu to do the above using an array?

I do have another question, how do you make the popup menu reset itself 
after a selection is made and then you quit the program and then 
restarted it?


Charles Szasz
Lead School Psychologist and Section 504 Coordinator
Kanawha County Schools
(304) 348-7770, Ext. 347



From gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com  Sat Dec 11 00:52:44 2004
From: gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 21:52:44 -0800
Subject: Going to Paris
Message-ID: <E08DA596-4B38-11D9-AC30-000A95A872D6@inspiredlogic.com>

I'm going to be in Paris from 28th December through 6th January. Is 
anyone in the area interested in getting together to swap Revolution 
stories?

regards,

Geoff Canyon
gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Sat Dec 11 01:50:24 2004
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 00:50:24 -0600
Subject: Arrays in Rev
In-Reply-To: <E796F27D-4B13-11D9-BD6A-000A95A09CF8@rpsystems.net>
Message-ID: <BDDFF4D0.AC34%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 12/10/04 7:28 PM, "Troy Rollins" <troy at rpsystems.net> wrote:

> 
> On Dec 10, 2004, at 8:00 PM, Mark Brownell wrote:
> 
>> The point I'm making is that it's a container that can store
>> information at numerical points [101][2][23] or 101,2,23 or any
>> delimiter that you select. I get what I needed in Lingo working fine
>> for me in transcript. I'm just thankful that it works fast enough to
>> be worth it.
> 
> But... Lingo's are REAL.
> 
> AFAICT... you are using strings... which *look* like multidimensional
> arrays, yet they would not *work* like multi-dimensional arrays. It
> looks to me more like you have a mechanism which allows *naming* and
> storing of variables in the same context as a multi-dimensional array.
> It looks like your version is basically a way to avoid coming up with
> unique names for a lot of variables... which is cool, and all, but
> that's all it is.

For more information, we had a long thread about arrays in Rev back in July
(I put out a small "dissertation" on arrays at that time:
http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2004-July/039379.html)

In any event, we really do need better array manipulation for
multidimensional arrays (or simulated ones). Personally, I'd rather have the
real thing if we can get it; if not, I'd accept simulated ones as long as we
have accessor functions to get at the embeded data more easily.

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From psahores at easynet.fr  Sat Dec 11 04:05:05 2004
From: psahores at easynet.fr (Pierre Sahores)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 10:05:05 +0100
Subject: Connecting to PostGreSQL on same machine: Mac OSX
In-Reply-To: <443422D8-4B30-11D9-998F-000A959D0AC6@hindu.org>
References: <443422D8-4B30-11D9-998F-000A959D0AC6@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <BF9E1DF6-4B53-11D9-B1C6-000A95C61E96@easynet.fr>

Hello Katir,

Le 11 d?c. 04, ? 05:51, Sivakatirswami a ?crit :

> Alright... I've successfully installed PostGreSQL on my mac... in the  
> terminal it's up and running, I've created a database and just now did
>
> select * from taskroster
>
> and got my two test rows returned... but..
>
> in the Mac's activity monitor... i don't see a process named "Postgres"

Need to be visible there (3 lines of postgres processes), else the  
server is not running.

Did you use the best Mac OS X suited installer available all around at  
<http://www.entropy.ch/software/macosx/postgresql/>. Else, it's the  
best to do. Marc Liyanage explains all what need to be done to install  
and set up PostgreSQL on our Macs, where the Apple's official page is  
mainly "approximative"...

> just the tcsh shell I have open to talk to Postgres...
>
> And also, in rev, this fails:
>
>  put  
> revOpenDatabase("Postgresql","localhost","katir_test","postgres","myPas 
> sWord")
>
> could not connect to server: Connection refused
> 	Is the server running on host "localhost" and accepting
> 	TCP/IP connections on port 5432?

About the TCP/IP connections, they are set by default for the localhost  
only (and it enought to feet the app server needs..). You can if needed  
tune this in modifying the needed line in the "postgresql.conf" file.
>
> my computer name on the lan is "katir.hindu.org"  but
>
if you expect to run the connection inside a Rev application's  
server..., use this instead of your revOpenDatabase command :

  if PGLinkOpen is a number then get revdb_disconnect("projetsdac")
put  
revOpenDatabase("Postgresql","katir.hindu.org","katir_test","postgres"," 
myPassWord") into PGLinkOpen
It's best to send it once only in app server mode (when it start) and  
for each new request in CGI mode. Use PGLinkOpen as a global value.

>  put  
> revOpenDatabase("Postgresql","katir.hindu.org","katir_test","postgres", 
> "myPassWord")
>
> does not work either..

Let us know how it goes...

Best, Pierre

>
> I'm sure this must be simple...
>
> TIA
>
> Sannyasin Sivakatirswami
> Himalayan Academy Publications
> at Kauai's Hindu Monastery
> katir at hindu.org
>
> www.HimalayanAcademy.com,
> www.HinduismToday.com
> www.Gurudeva.org
> www.Hindu.org
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
>
-- 
Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores

100, rue de Paris
F - 77140 Nemours

psahores+ at +easynet.fr
sc+ at +sahores-conseil.com

GSM:   +33 6 03 95 77 70
Pro:      +33 1 64 45 05 33
Fax:      +33 1 64 45 05 33

<http://www.sahores-conseil.com/>

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From alex at tweedly.net  Sat Dec 11 07:38:59 2004
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 12:38:59 +0000
Subject: parsing comments in scripts
In-Reply-To: <F994380A-4AF3-11D9-B932-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
References: <1453581479.20041210122823@ahsoftware.net>
 <5.1.0.14.0.20041210124601.028c9158@mail.tweedly.net>
 <a0611043cbddf506a3e6d@[141.89.100.235]>
 <1453581479.20041210122823@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20041211121614.02947e70@mail.tweedly.net>

At 14:39 10/12/2004 -0700, Dar Scott wrote:


>Don't forget special parsing for this:
>
>format("..."

There's another special case to deal with; I just discovered the Tip in
FAQ /  How do I temporarily remove a portion of a script?

that says
>  Tip:  You can comment out an entire handler by commenting out its first 
> line.

So does that mean that the rest of the handler IS a comment (and should be 
stripped out) or not ?

Script colorizer doesn't think so - it colors the first line but not the rest.
Script formatter does think so - it formats the rest of the handler flush left.

Sadly, it turns out that the Tip is wrong - doing this does NOT comment out 
the rest of the handler; all it does is make it impossible to call the 
handler (this is not the same thing !!)
Bugzilla 2468 has been entered.

So I think you're free to deal with it almost any way you choose :-) - but 
you probably should deal with it explicitly.

-- Alex.

From gefisher at mac.com  Sat Dec 11 08:24:30 2004
From: gefisher at mac.com (Glenn E. Fisher)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 07:24:30 -0600
Subject: Label an Image with Text?
Message-ID: <FCF51CEA-4B77-11D9-9814-0030654DB056@mac.com>

Hi Rick,
You wrote:
> Hi there,
>
> I was wondering if there is a way in Rev to paint a text label
> onto a jpeg image file and then save it as part of the jpeg file
> when I export it.
>
> (I also noticed the lack of a text tool for doing that in the
> paint tools.)
>
> Anyone?

Is the text dynamic? or can you build it as an image outside of RR?

I have modified images that I use for button icons by merging two .png 
files
whose alpha masks don't overlap with the following transcript that is 
fast
enough for icon sized images:

on mergeImages im1,im2,imout
   put the imageData of image im1 into d1
   put the imageData of image im2 into d2
   put the alphaData of image im1 into a1
   put the alphaData of image im2 into a2
   put the height of image im2 into h
   put the width of image im2 into w
   put the length of d2 into n
   put 0 into i
   repeat for each char c in a1
     add 1 to i
     if i>n then exit repeat
     put charToNum(c) into x
     if x=0 then
       put char 4*i-3 to 4*i of d2 after d3
       put char i of a2 after a3
     else
       put char 4*i-3 to 4*i of d1 after d3
       put char i of a1 after a3
     end if
   end repeat
   if there is not an image imout then
     create image imout
   end if
   set the text of image imout to empty
   set the height of image imout to h
   set the width of image imout to w
   set the imageData of image imout to d3
   set the alphaData of image imout to a3
end mergeImages

HTH,
Glenn

Glenn E. Fisher	University of Houston - Retired
22402 Diane Dr.	Spring, Tx 77373
gfisher4 at houston.rr.com 	http://www.uh.edu/~fisher
http://home.houston.rr.com/thegefishers/
http://homepage.mac.com/gefisher

From alex at tweedly.net  Sat Dec 11 09:17:54 2004
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 14:17:54 +0000
Subject: Arrays in Rev
In-Reply-To: <BDDFF4D0.AC34%kray@sonsothunder.com>
References: <E796F27D-4B13-11D9-BD6A-000A95A09CF8@rpsystems.net>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20041211134418.06e4ee38@mail.tweedly.net>

At 00:50 11/12/2004 -0600, Ken Ray wrote:
>For more information, we had a long thread about arrays in Rev back in July
>(I put out a small "dissertation" on arrays at that time:
>http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2004-July/039379.html)

Thank you - I found it useful then (I was new to Rev at the time), and 
found it even more useful to go back and re-read it now, with a slightly 
better understanding of the different ways to do things in Rev. It should, 
IMHO, be in a FAQ or Wiki or some such place, not just in the mail archives.

(Wasn't someone starting a community FAQ ? )

I do have one question about it ....

>Revolution:
>   put "1,Troy,Ken,Richard"&cr&"2,Kevin,Jan,Judy" into myList
>   split myList by CR and ","
>   put myList[2] into tempArray
>   --> Kevin,Jan,Judy
>   split tempArray by ","
>   put tempArray[1]
>   --> Kevin
>
>But note that this is NOT usually something you'd do in Rev... Director is
>designed to be able to make arrays of arrays, and although Rev can simulate
>this, it is not the most efficient, nor is it the best approach. One reason
>is that if you'll notice, I had to add line numbers before each line in
>myList so that when I used 'split' I could reference the array by number.
>Why? Because remember that no matter what it may appear to be, Rev uses
>associative arrays ONLY - myList[1] is NOT numeric... it is creating a
>*string* called "1" that is associated with the value that you give it.

I don't get it. You need the second "split" to split up the entries Kevin 
and Jan and Judy - so why use the second delimiter in the first split. 
Couldn't you just do ....

Revolution:
   put "Troy,Ken,Richard"&cr&"Kevin,Jan,Judy" into myList   -- NB no numbers !!
   split myList by CR     -- note - no second delimiter
   put myList[2] into tempArray
   --> Kevin,Jan,Judy
   split tempArray by ","
   put tempArray[1]
   --> Kevin

>In any event, we really do need better array manipulation for
>multidimensional arrays (or simulated ones). Personally, I'd rather have the
>real thing if we can get it; if not, I'd accept simulated ones as long as we
>have accessor functions to get at the embeded data more easily.

I agree - though I'm not sure it's possible to get a good enough simulation 
to satisfy what I'd like.
I want to be able to do things like
    put "here's the string" into myArray1["asdf"]
    put myArray1 into myArray2[3]
    put myArray2[3] into tVar

and have tVar now be an array.

While I'm talking about what I'd like regarding arrays, I'd love to have 
the multi-assignment form of a repeat structure as in PHP or Python. I know 
it doesn't, strictly speaking, add functionality, but I think it's a huge 
gain in readability. What I mean is to be able to say something like

   repeat for each keyvalue  K,V in myArray
     -- K takes each key in turn
     -- V takes the corresponding value from the array

so it's equivalent to
    repeat for each line K in the keys of myArray
        put myArray[K] into V
but is (IMHO) much more readable (and probably a bit more efficient).

-- Alex.

From docmann at gmail.com  Sat Dec 11 09:59:40 2004
From: docmann at gmail.com (docmann)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 08:59:40 -0600
Subject: Question about mySQL database app for dreamcard
Message-ID: <9d58de7d04121106591ae6c9bd@mail.gmail.com>

A couple of weeks ago I licensed DreamCard as a learning/development
tool prior to a final move to Rev Studio, thinking that others could
assist with the testing process using the free player. (which I
thought was functional for any type of application.)

I've been working on a mySQL database app hosted on a remote server
and can access the db without problems from my development box.
However, when I tried testing the app on other computers (Linux & XP),
I learned that the player apparently requires some additional files.

I've searched the download section at the web site without luck, so
maybe someone can point me to the additional files that are required
for both O/S's....?

Thanks in advanced for any help. :)

-Doc-

From rcozens at pon.net  Sat Dec 11 10:48:00 2004
From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 07:48:00 -0800
Subject: Arrays in Rev
In-Reply-To: <E796F27D-4B13-11D9-BD6A-000A95A09CF8@rpsystems.net>
References: <FD4E4FAC-4B0F-11D9-81D2-000A95743F7A@earthlink.net>
 <E796F27D-4B13-11D9-BD6A-000A95A09CF8@rpsystems.net>
Message-ID: <a05210600bde0c409d5e9@[66.52.165.60]>

>But how do they perform the same functions? For instance with a 
>multi-level nested repeat loop iterating over the contents with a 
>real multi-dimensional array? Or is there some equally convoluted 
>code to do that?

Troy, et al:

Look at the arrayMath & matrixMath handlers in Serendipity Library 
<http://wecode.org/serendipity/>.

The arrayMath function returns the source array with a specific value 
& operator applied to each element.  Operators supported are 
+,-,*,/,div,mod,^,log2,log10,acos,asin,atan,atan2,cos,sin,tan,bitAnd,bitOr, 
and bitXOr.

The matrixMath function returns an array resulting from the 
application of an operator and one element of the array on the 
corresponding element in a matching array.  Operators supported are 
+,-,*,/,div,mod,^,atan2,bitAnd,bitOr, and bitXOr.

My pseudo multidimensional arrays are currently slower than accessing 
each element by key; but the functionality works.
-- 
Rob Cozens, Staff Conservator
Mendonoma Marine Life Conservancy

"Knowledge of the oceans is more than a matter of curiosity.
  Our very survival may depend upon it."

  -- John Fitzgerald Kennedy, 1961

From fde101 at fjrhome.net  Sat Dec 11 11:38:46 2004
From: fde101 at fjrhome.net (Frank D. Engel, Jr.)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 11:38:46 -0500
Subject: Connecting to PostGreSQL on same machine: Mac OSX
In-Reply-To: <BF9E1DF6-4B53-11D9-B1C6-000A95C61E96@easynet.fr>
References: <443422D8-4B30-11D9-998F-000A959D0AC6@hindu.org>
	<BF9E1DF6-4B53-11D9-B1C6-000A95C61E96@easynet.fr>
Message-ID: <20DBBC76-4B93-11D9-96F9-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>


On Dec 11, 2004, at 4:05 AM, Pierre Sahores wrote:

> Hello Katir,
>
> Le 11 d?c. 04, ? 05:51, Sivakatirswami a ?crit :
>
>> Alright... I've successfully installed PostGreSQL on my mac... in the  
>> terminal it's up and running, I've created a database and just now  
>> did
>>
>> select * from taskroster
>>
>> and got my two test rows returned... but..
>>
>> in the Mac's activity monitor... i don't see a process named  
>> "Postgres"
>
> Need to be visible there (3 lines of postgres processes), else the  
> server is not running.
>
> Did you use the best Mac OS X suited installer available all around at  
> <http://www.entropy.ch/software/macosx/postgresql/>. Else, it's the  
> best to do. Marc Liyanage explains all what need to be done to install  
> and set up PostgreSQL on our Macs, where the Apple's official page is  
> mainly "approximative"...

You shoud note that the server is not one of the "My Processes" in the  
activity monitor.  Show "Other User Processes" or "All Processes" and a  
process name of "postgres" should be listed three times.

I find it highly unlikely that the server is not running if you were  
able to execute a query; being able to communicate with the server is  
generally an indication that it is running ;-)


>
>> just the tcsh shell I have open to talk to Postgres...
>>
>> And also, in rev, this fails:
>>
>>  put  
>> revOpenDatabase("Postgresql","localhost","katir_test","postgres","myPa 
>> ssWord")
>>
>> could not connect to server: Connection refused
>> 	Is the server running on host "localhost" and accepting
>> 	TCP/IP connections on port 5432?
>
> About the TCP/IP connections, they are set by default for the  
> localhost only (and it enought to feet the app server needs..). You  
> can if needed tune this in modifying the needed line in the  
> "postgresql.conf" file.

No, this is *not* the default for the current release versions of  
PostgreSQL.  By default, TCP/IP connections (the only kind you can make  
to PostgreSQL through Rev) are disabled.  You need to make changes in  
two files in the data directory of PostgreSQL:

You need to enable TCP/IP connections in postgresql.conf, and you need  
to configure your authentication settings in pg_hba.conf.

This is not described on the page listed below, but is mentioned in the  
PostgreSQL documentation; for details see:

http://www.postgresql.org/docs/7.3/static/client-authentication.html


>>
>> my computer name on the lan is "katir.hindu.org"  but
>>
> if you expect to run the connection inside a Rev application's  
> server..., use this instead of your revOpenDatabase command :
>
>  if PGLinkOpen is a number then get revdb_disconnect("projetsdac")
> put  
> revOpenDatabase("Postgresql","katir.hindu.org","katir_test","postgres", 
> "myPassWord") into PGLinkOpen
> It's best to send it once only in app server mode (when it start) and  
> for each new request in CGI mode. Use PGLinkOpen as a global value.

Personally, I like to use a custom property for this:

set the database of this stack to revOpenDatabase(...)
if the database of this stack is not a number then
   answer error "Failed to connect to the database." & the lineDelimiter  
& the lineDelimiter & the database of this stack titled "Connection  
Failure"
   quit
end if

>
>>  put  
>> revOpenDatabase("Postgresql","katir.hindu.org","katir_test","postgres" 
>> ,"myPassWord")
>>
>> does not work either..
>
> Let us know how it goes...
>
> Best, Pierre
>
>>
>> I'm sure this must be simple...
>>
>> TIA
>>
>> Sannyasin Sivakatirswami
>> Himalayan Academy Publications
>> at Kauai's Hindu Monastery
>> katir at hindu.org
>>
>> www.HimalayanAcademy.com,
>> www.HinduismToday.com
>> www.Gurudeva.org
>> www.Hindu.org
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>>
>>
> -- 
> Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores
>
> 100, rue de Paris
> F - 77140 Nemours
>
> psahores+ at +easynet.fr
> sc+ at +sahores-conseil.com
>
> GSM:   +33 6 03 95 77 70
> Pro:      +33 1 64 45 05 33
> Fax:      +33 1 64 45 05 33
>
> <http://www.sahores-conseil.com/>
>
> WEB/EAI services & ACID DB over IP
> "Mutualiser les deltas de productivit?"
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
>
-----------------------------------------------------------
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$ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
$ true | cat /usr/manual | grep "John 3:16"
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten  
Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have  
everlasting life.
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From SimPLsol at aol.com  Sat Dec 11 11:53:49 2004
From: SimPLsol at aol.com (SimPLsol at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 11:53:49 EST
Subject: Going to Paris
Message-ID: <81.1cd1b232.2eec801d@aol.com>

Geoff,
Paris! Lucky you! Enjoy.
Paul Looney

From chipp at chipp.com  Sat Dec 11 11:59:21 2004
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 08:59:21 -0800
Subject: Label an Image with Text?
In-Reply-To: <FCF51CEA-4B77-11D9-9814-0030654DB056@mac.com>
References: <FCF51CEA-4B77-11D9-9814-0030654DB056@mac.com>
Message-ID: <41BB2769.7090505@chipp.com>

Glenn,

I have a set of handlers which can composite multiple images with 
overlapping alpha channels as well. You might want to take a look at 
them at:

http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/RunRev/Downloads.htm

called:
Image Compositing...

best,
Chipp

Glenn E. Fisher wrote:

> I have modified images that I use for button icons by merging two .png 
> files
> whose alpha masks don't overlap with the following transcript that is fast
> enough for icon sized images:

From richmond at mail.maclaunch.com  Sat Dec 11 12:04:32 2004
From: richmond at mail.maclaunch.com (Mathewson)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 12:04:32 -0500
Subject: The INNER and the OUTER need to be separated
Message-ID: <web-325499923@mail.maclaunch.com>

Dear xTalkers,
  It has become obvious over the last year or so that the 2
lists (MC & RR) attract 2 types of message: one tyoe
dealing with the complexities of xTalk, and another type
dealing with ease (or not) of use.

  As you will by now be aware, I am particularly interested
in usability - specifically for non-computer types, and to
that end made rather over-the-top tool bars for both RR &
MC, and then went to one particular extreme with my thesis.


  I do believe that far too little attention is paid to the
end-user experience and wonder if now is not the time to
start a use-list specifically dedicated to this - and keep
the current - MC and RR lists for xTalk related matters
only. The nature of RR/MC readily lends itself to the rapid
development of a wide variety of user interfaces  - and,
owing to the cross-platform nature of RR/MC, is, to my
mind, one of the better RADs for UI development and
experimentation.

  The apparent level of complacency about the de facto GUI
standard effectively serves to exclude a large number of
people who will shortly come to constitute an underclass in
our digital society. Therefore it behooves socially
concerned programmers to give this matter quite a bit of
thought - and try to do something to provide viable and
robust alternatives.

Richmond Mathewson

__________________________________________________
See Mathewson's software at:

http://members.maclaunch.com/richmond/default.html
_______________________________________
---------------------------------------------------------------
The Think Different Store
http://www.thinkdifferentstore.com/
For All Your Mac Gear
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From gizmotron at earthlink.net  Sat Dec 11 12:58:54 2004
From: gizmotron at earthlink.net (Mark Brownell)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 09:58:54 -0800
Subject: Arrays in Rev
In-Reply-To: <E796F27D-4B13-11D9-BD6A-000A95A09CF8@rpsystems.net>
Message-ID: <523FC74A-4B9E-11D9-B4F1-000A95743F7A@earthlink.net>


On Friday, December 10, 2004, at 05:28 PM, Troy Rollins wrote:

> But... Lingo's are REAL.
>
> AFAICT... you are using strings... which *look* like multidimensional 
> arrays, yet they would not *work* like multi-dimensional arrays. It 
> looks to me more like you have a mechanism which allows *naming* and 
> storing of variables in the same context as a multi-dimensional array. 
> It looks like your version is basically a way to avoid coming up with 
> unique names for a lot of variables... which is cool, and all, but 
> that's all it is.

It's not a panacea for all. I needed to store sub level data that is 
associated with other data located at the same location. Think of it as 
a storage container like nodes within other elements in an XML 
document. I even use it to store binary data like images that are 
encoded as base64. My goal was to have a storage container that I could 
use a pull-parser on to go directly to the data I needed in one quick 
call without having to use Rev's XML. This is because I fully intended 
to include not well formed XML in the document. This allowed me to work 
with data in the original storage format and thus produce simpler 
handler libraries.

> But how do they perform the same functions? For instance with a 
> multi-level nested repeat loop iterating over the contents with a real 
> multi-dimensional array? Or is there some equally convoluted code to 
> do that?

If you mean testing data to see if it's the correct data to be accessed 
like doing a search in a Lingo list then I break up each data table row 
as an XML element with the sub data of that row as other elements 
within the "row" tag-set

Example row element:

<row>
   <map>Cleveland</map>
   <image> ... base64Encodded data of image here... </image>
</row>

What I do is use the pull-parser to create an array of <row> objects 
with the map and image data inside each object as elements of their 
own. To find the map for Cleveland I loop through the row array until I 
find this element: "<map>Cleveland</map>." When that is found I return 
the data found in that row's  <image> element. This is accomplished 
real fast using the offset() function to do a string search on each row 
object during the loop.

> Don't get me wrong. Cool solutions I can respect. But what works for 
> you (or I) as a personal solution is not necessarily something which 
> is portable to others - nor is it necessarily what they want or need.
> --
> Troy

Wanting to use a pull-parser on a structured document is exactly what I 
wanted. This is the same document as the storage document. So my 
solution is great for my needs. I share it because a few here might 
like its simplicity and find uses for it themselves.  I did come from 
Director to Revolution. Revolution is so cool I never looked back. I 
really got sick of Director changing shockwave to such a degree that 
the new shockwave plug-ins would render my third party plug-ins 
inoperative unless I redeveloped my creations to work with the 
shockwave changes.  I can't speak for others and what their needs are.

Mark



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sat Dec 11 13:18:51 2004
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 10:18:51 -0800
Subject: parsing comments in scripts
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20041211121614.02947e70@mail.tweedly.net>
References: <1453581479.20041210122823@ahsoftware.net>
 <5.1.0.14.0.20041210124601.028c9158@mail.tweedly.net>
 <a0611043cbddf506a3e6d@[141.89.100.235]>
 <1453581479.20041210122823@ahsoftware.net>
 <5.1.0.14.0.20041211121614.02947e70@mail.tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <1411042248.20041211101851@ahsoftware.net>

Alex-

Saturday, December 11, 2004, 4:38:59 AM, you wrote:

AT> that says
>>  Tip:  You can comment out an entire handler by commenting out its first
>> line.

Yikes! I really hope this isn't supposed to be true. I regularly put
comments in the first line of my handlers as documentation. I'd hate
to think that a 'fix' to some future version would break my code. The
insertion of comments shouldn't have an effect on the execution of
code.

Comment added to bug #2468.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net


From troy at rpsystems.net  Sat Dec 11 13:50:02 2004
From: troy at rpsystems.net (Troy Rollins)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 13:50:02 -0500
Subject: Arrays in Rev
In-Reply-To: <523FC74A-4B9E-11D9-B4F1-000A95743F7A@earthlink.net>
References: <523FC74A-4B9E-11D9-B4F1-000A95743F7A@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <77048481-4BA5-11D9-894A-000A95A09CF8@rpsystems.net>


On Dec 11, 2004, at 12:58 PM, Mark Brownell wrote:

> I really got sick of Director changing shockwave to such a degree that 
> the new shockwave plug-ins would render my third party plug-ins 
> inoperative unless I redeveloped my creations to work with the 
> shockwave changes.

??

OK. I'll bow out now, before I get started.

I'm glad Transcript works out for your needs.
--
Troy
RPSystems, Ltd.
http://www.rpsystems.net


From soapdog at mac.com  Sat Dec 11 14:11:25 2004
From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 17:11:25 -0200
Subject: me missing in actions...
Message-ID: <73EE02A4-4BA8-11D9-90B1-0003936D012E@mac.com>

Hi folks,

been a while since my last post, the problem was that due to a huge 
misfortune, after I arrived from Malta I got my good arm broken and my 
tonsils started waging war on me, so I was put to bed for couple 
weeks,I am not alright but I begun to master typeing with my blind 
right hand and begun wondering:

a) Is the premonitional external out?
b) did we reached 2.6 while I was in bed?
c) Anyone here got the recipe for Maltese Ftira?

I will begin making a serie of newbie full app tutorials as soon as I 
take this damn plaster glove out of me (... and my tonsils allow), if 
anyone want to help, drop me a note.

Man, this email just took 10 minutes to be typed, I am improving my 
right hand skills.

Cheers
andre
-- 
Andre Alves Garzia ? 2004 ? BRAZIL
http://studio.soapdog.org


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Sat Dec 11 14:10:52 2004
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 13:10:52 -0600
Subject: Arrays in Rev
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20041211134418.06e4ee38@mail.tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <BDE0A25C.AC82%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 12/11/04 8:17 AM, "Alex Tweedly" <alex at tweedly.net> wrote:

>> Revolution:
>>   put "1,Troy,Ken,Richard"&cr&"2,Kevin,Jan,Judy" into myList
>>   split myList by CR and ","
>>   put myList[2] into tempArray
>>   --> Kevin,Jan,Judy
>>   split tempArray by ","
>>   put tempArray[1]
>>   --> Kevin
>> 
>> But note that this is NOT usually something you'd do in Rev... Director is
>> designed to be able to make arrays of arrays, and although Rev can simulate
>> this, it is not the most efficient, nor is it the best approach. One reason
>> is that if you'll notice, I had to add line numbers before each line in
>> myList so that when I used 'split' I could reference the array by number.
>> Why? Because remember that no matter what it may appear to be, Rev uses
>> associative arrays ONLY - myList[1] is NOT numeric... it is creating a
>> *string* called "1" that is associated with the value that you give it.
> 
> I don't get it. You need the second "split" to split up the entries Kevin
> and Jan and Judy - so why use the second delimiter in the first split.
> Couldn't you just do ....
> 
> Revolution:
>    put "Troy,Ken,Richard"&cr&"Kevin,Jan,Judy" into myList   -- NB no numbers
> !!
>    split myList by CR     -- note - no second delimiter
>    put myList[2] into tempArray
>    --> Kevin,Jan,Judy
>    split tempArray by ","
>    put tempArray[1]
>    --> Kevin

Good catch! That would certainly be easier. However the first way is useful
if for some reason you don't have the list in order (since having the
numbers in front will *definitely* put it into the right element, regardless
of the order of the lines).


Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From kray at sonsothunder.com  Sat Dec 11 14:14:18 2004
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 13:14:18 -0600
Subject: parsing comments in scripts
In-Reply-To: <1411042248.20041211101851@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <BDE0A32A.AC85%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 12/11/04 12:18 PM, "Mark Wieder" <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:

> Alex-
> 
> Saturday, December 11, 2004, 4:38:59 AM, you wrote:
> 
> AT> that says
>>>  Tip:  You can comment out an entire handler by commenting out its first
>>> line.
> 
> Yikes! I really hope this isn't supposed to be true. I regularly put
> comments in the first line of my handlers as documentation.

Don't worry, Mark... what it means is that this:

--on mouseUp
beep
end mouseUp

won't trigger, but either of these:

on mouseUp
  -- beep now
  beep
end mouseUp

on mouseUp  -- beep now
  beep
end mouseUp

will trigger just fine.

Personally, I find just commenting the first line of a handler (like "--on
mouseUp") to be a bit sloppy IMHO and makes the script harder to read for me
(I keep thinking there's some kind of mistake in the code which is why it
isn't formatted properly; until I scroll up an see the commented "on" and
then realize my mistake).

But that's just my opinion...

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From kray at sonsothunder.com  Sat Dec 11 14:17:59 2004
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 13:17:59 -0600
Subject: me missing in actions...
In-Reply-To: <73EE02A4-4BA8-11D9-90B1-0003936D012E@mac.com>
Message-ID: <BDE0A407.AC89%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 12/11/04 1:11 PM, "Andre Garzia" <soapdog at mac.com> wrote:

> Hi folks,
> 
> been a while since my last post, the problem was that due to a huge
> misfortune, after I arrived from Malta I got my good arm broken and my
> tonsils started waging war on me, so I was put to bed for couple
> weeks,

Oh, man, Andre! Glad to see you're feeling better, but also sorry to hear
about your misfortune.

> I am not alright but I begun to master typeing with my blind
> right hand and begun wondering:
> 
> a) Is the premonitional external out?

No, but everyone will know about it before it is released... ;-)

> b) did we reached 2.6 while I was in bed?

Nope! We're still working on 2.5.1.

> c) Anyone here got the recipe for Maltese Ftira?

Sure! Here it is:

http://www.soapnaturally.org/rosannez4r.html

Feel better,

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From soapdog at mac.com  Sat Dec 11 14:20:27 2004
From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 17:20:27 -0200
Subject: Connecting to PostGreSQL on same machine: Mac OSX
In-Reply-To: <20DBBC76-4B93-11D9-96F9-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>
References: <443422D8-4B30-11D9-998F-000A959D0AC6@hindu.org>
	<BF9E1DF6-4B53-11D9-B1C6-000A95C61E96@easynet.fr>
	<20DBBC76-4B93-11D9-96F9-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>
Message-ID: <B729A33D-4BA9-11D9-90B1-0003936D012E@mac.com>


go to your terminal, type:

ps -auxc | grep "post"

it will list postgre if it is running. My postgre process is called 
postmaster I think.... not postgreSQL... anyway the above shell command 
will catch postgre, postmaster, whatever contains post....


On Dec 11, 2004, at 2:38 PM, Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote:

> You shoud note that the server is not one of the "My Processes" in the 
> activity monitor.  Show "Other User Processes" or "All Processes" and 
> a process name of "postgres" should be listed three times.
>
> I find it highly unlikely that the server is not running if you were 
> able to execute a query; being able to communicate with the server is 
> generally an indication that it is running ;-)
-- 
Andre Alves Garzia ? 2004
Soap Dog Studios - BRAZIL
http://studio.soapdog.org


From soapdog at mac.com  Sat Dec 11 14:23:09 2004
From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 17:23:09 -0200
Subject: me missing in actions...
In-Reply-To: <BDE0A407.AC89%kray@sonsothunder.com>
References: <BDE0A407.AC89%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <178533E2-4BAA-11D9-90B1-0003936D012E@mac.com>

Ken,

Thanks man!!!! I'll send my first maltese ftira photos to you!!!!!

Cheers
andre


On Dec 11, 2004, at 5:17 PM, Ken Ray wrote:

> On 12/11/04 1:11 PM, "Andre Garzia" <soapdog at mac.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> been a while since my last post, the problem was that due to a huge
>> misfortune, after I arrived from Malta I got my good arm broken and my
>> tonsils started waging war on me, so I was put to bed for couple
>> weeks,
>
> Oh, man, Andre! Glad to see you're feeling better, but also sorry to 
> hear
> about your misfortune.
>
>> I am not alright but I begun to master typeing with my blind
>> right hand and begun wondering:
>>
>> a) Is the premonitional external out?
>
> No, but everyone will know about it before it is released... ;-)
>
>> b) did we reached 2.6 while I was in bed?
>
> Nope! We're still working on 2.5.1.
>
>> c) Anyone here got the recipe for Maltese Ftira?
>
> Sure! Here it is:
>
> http://www.soapnaturally.org/rosannez4r.html
>
> Feel better,
>
> Ken Ray
> Sons of Thunder Software
> Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
> Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
>
-- 
Andre Alves Garzia ? 2004
Soap Dog Studios - BRAZIL
http://studio.soapdog.org


From sims at ezpzapps.com  Sat Dec 11 14:56:18 2004
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (sims)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 20:56:18 +0100
Subject: me missing in actions...
In-Reply-To: <73EE02A4-4BA8-11D9-90B1-0003936D012E@mac.com>
References: <73EE02A4-4BA8-11D9-90B1-0003936D012E@mac.com>
Message-ID: <p06110414bde0ffe0eb00@[10.0.0.3]>

>Hi folks,
>
>been a while since my last post, the problem was that due to a huge 
>misfortune, after I arrived from Malta I got my good arm broken and 
>my tonsils started waging war on me, so I was put to bed for couple 
>weeks,I am not alright but I begun to master typeing with my blind 
>right hand and begun wondering:

Miskin! (Maltese for poor thing)

>c) Anyone here got the recipe for Maltese Ftira?

I'll get you one from this bakery when you come to the EuroRevCon 2006!

http://www.june29th.com/Nadur360/360_11.htm

Get better soon, Andre!

ciao
sims


From douez at wanadoo.fr  Sat Dec 11 14:54:13 2004
From: douez at wanadoo.fr (thierry)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 20:54:13 +0100
Subject: keep cursors on standalone ?
In-Reply-To: <81.1cd1b232.2eec801d@aol.com>
References: <81.1cd1b232.2eec801d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <462718.20041211205413@wanadoo.fr>

Hi all,

  building a  stack A as an exe which
  call a second stack B after few seconds.

   in B i'm using set cursor to hand, busy,...
   and just the arrow cursor stay there.

   What do i miss ?
   Rev2.1 on Windows !

Best regards, 
thierry



From erikhans08 at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 11 16:36:39 2004
From: erikhans08 at yahoo.com (Erik Hansen)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 13:36:39 -0800 (PST)
Subject: me missing in actions...
In-Reply-To: <73EE02A4-4BA8-11D9-90B1-0003936D012E@mac.com>
Message-ID: <20041211213639.32093.qmail@web61108.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Andre Garzia <soapdog at mac.com> wrote:
> I will begin making a serie of 
> newbie full app tutorials

salud, Andre
(please excuse the Spanish)

are you considering a tutorial on
standalones? the basics are covered, but
when you get to changing data in a related
non-standalone stack, substacks of the 
standalone etc. y so forth...

thanks and see if the video store has
"Samba de Orfeu", it lifts the spirit!

Erik Hansen





=====
erik at erikhansen.org    http://www.erikhansen.org


		
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From alex at tweedly.net  Sat Dec 11 14:33:47 2004
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 19:33:47 +0000
Subject: parsing comments in scripts
In-Reply-To: <1411042248.20041211101851@ahsoftware.net>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20041211121614.02947e70@mail.tweedly.net>
 <1453581479.20041210122823@ahsoftware.net>
 <5.1.0.14.0.20041210124601.028c9158@mail.tweedly.net>
 <a0611043cbddf506a3e6d@[141.89.100.235]>
 <1453581479.20041210122823@ahsoftware.net>
 <5.1.0.14.0.20041211121614.02947e70@mail.tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20041211192048.029d10f0@mail.tweedly.net>

At 10:18 11/12/2004 -0800, Mark Wieder wrote:
>Saturday, December 11, 2004, 4:38:59 AM, you wrote:
>AT> that says
> >>  Tip:  You can comment out an entire handler by commenting out its first
> >> line.
>
>Yikes! I really hope this isn't supposed to be true. I regularly put
>comments in the first line of my handlers as documentation. I'd hate
>to think that a 'fix' to some future version would break my code. The
>insertion of comments shouldn't have an effect on the execution of
>code.
>
>Comment added to bug #2468.

I'm not sure I see what you're worried about. Having a comment on the first 
line is OK, and will have no effect.

A line like
     on myHandler pText    -- deal with the new text
is not going to be affected by this tip.

But commenting *out* the line will have an effect on the execution of the 
code - just like commenting out any line of code would.

If I take this fragment
   put 1 into a
   put 2 into b
   put 3 into c
and comment out the second line to get
   put 1 into a
   -- put 2 into b
   put 3 into c
then I've certainly affected the execution of that second line.

So I don't see a bug problem with having
-- on myHandler
having some effect.

I just think it should do what it says in the docs - make all the code 
between that line and the
end myHandler be ignored / have no effect, equivalent to "block-commenting" 
the whole handler.

(Currently it allows any local statements within the handler (probably also 
global statements though I haven't tested that) to take effect at the 
scope-level of the whole script. The same code without the handler line 
being commented out would have had those statements in the handler scope - 
so this can cause very nasty side-effects if the same variable names are 
used in other handlers in the same script.
Another good reason to set explicitVariables to true !!)

-- Alex.

From gefisher at mac.com  Sat Dec 11 18:02:38 2004
From: gefisher at mac.com (Glenn E. Fisher)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 17:02:38 -0600
Subject: Label an Image with Text?
Message-ID: <C0E83B0C-4BC8-11D9-A7D5-0030654DB056@mac.com>

Chipp,
on December 11, 2004 10:59:21 AM CST Chipp Walters <chipp at chipp.com> 
wrote:

> I have a set of handlers which can composite multiple images with 
> overlapping alpha channels as well. You might want to take a look at 
> them at:
>
> http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/RunRev/Downloads.htm
>
> called:
> Image Compositing...
>
> best,
> Chipp

Yes, Chipp I have your stack and got some of my ideas from it and from 
Dar's
postings some time ago.  Many thanks to both of you and others for the 
ideas.
I was just concerned that the original poster (Rick) might dismiss 
doing this
sort of thing because of speed.  My images are a special case of icons 
and are
all the same size so the simple script serves the purpose.

Thanks again for your great web site,
Glenn

Glenn E. Fisher	University of Houston - Retired
22402 Diane Dr.	Spring, Tx 77373
gfisher4 at houston.rr.com 	http://www.uh.edu/~fisher
http://home.houston.rr.com/thegefishers/
http://homepage.mac.com/gefisher

From gizmotron at earthlink.net  Sat Dec 11 19:46:38 2004
From: gizmotron at earthlink.net (Mark Brownell)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 16:46:38 -0800
Subject: Arrays in Rev
In-Reply-To: <77048481-4BA5-11D9-894A-000A95A09CF8@rpsystems.net>
Message-ID: <481472E4-4BD7-11D9-A1C1-000A95743F7A@earthlink.net>


On Saturday, December 11, 2004, at 10:50 AM, Troy Rollins wrote:

> On Dec 11, 2004, at 12:58 PM, Mark Brownell wrote:
>
>> I really got sick of Director changing shockwave to such a degree 
>> that the new shockwave plug-ins would render my third party plug-ins 
>> inoperative unless I redeveloped my creations to work with the 
>> shockwave changes.
>
> ??
>
> OK. I'll bow out now, before I get started.
>
> I'm glad Transcript works out for your needs.
> --
> Troy

OK I know what happened to me was one in a million but what happened 
should never happen to anyone here. I completed a project that was sent 
off with representatives of mine to a conference where every one that 
saw it saw it not work. While on the plane to Florida Macromedia 
decided to change the shockwave plug-in download without any warning to 
Director user. They added a bug that took them three months to correct 
and that prevented the users of my web based e-book reader to not be 
able to run when loaded. I didn't find out about it until people at the 
booth started complaining that it didn't work. I worked all weekend to 
attempt to salvage the problem but it was too late.

Since then I had discovered Revolution and learned that it could do 
many things that Director could not. While learning Transcript I 
discovered that another shockwave upgrade had rendered another product 
of mine inoperative. That was the last straw. I abandoned that project. 
I decided to never be shocked again.

I know you like Director and defend it  sometimes. That's fine, defend 
it all you want. I'm completely done with working with it. It may be 
pie in the sky for others but it was  pie in the face for me.

You don't own stock in Macromedia do you?

Mark


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sat Dec 11 21:03:16 2004
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 18:03:16 -0800
Subject: me missing in actions...
In-Reply-To: <73EE02A4-4BA8-11D9-90B1-0003936D012E@mac.com>
References: <73EE02A4-4BA8-11D9-90B1-0003936D012E@mac.com>
Message-ID: <41BBA6E4.2050609@fourthworld.com>

Andre Garzia wrote:
> Hi folks,
> 
> been a while since my last post, the problem was that due to a huge 
> misfortune, after I arrived from Malta I got my good arm broken

I tried finding a right-handed Dvorak layout for OS X to send to Andre 
(I went through the same thing when I broke my left elbow a few years 
back), and while I was able to find one for Classic I haven't for OS X.

OS X includes the standard Dvorak, but right-handed Dvorak is designed 
specifically for the one-armed user, and was a godsend for my 
productivity while I was healing.  Windows ships with both right-handed 
and left-handed Dvorak, but alas it seems Apple is behind the curve on 
this one.

If you know where to find a right-handed Dvorak keyboard layout for OS 
X, please send it to Andre and if you don't mind please CC me so I can 
bookmark it; it's a valuable resource for those who need it.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  __________________________________________________
  Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev

From troy at rpsystems.net  Sat Dec 11 21:42:46 2004
From: troy at rpsystems.net (Troy Rollins)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 21:42:46 -0500
Subject: Arrays in Rev
In-Reply-To: <481472E4-4BD7-11D9-A1C1-000A95743F7A@earthlink.net>
References: <481472E4-4BD7-11D9-A1C1-000A95743F7A@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <8157975C-4BE7-11D9-894A-000A95A09CF8@rpsystems.net>


On Dec 11, 2004, at 7:46 PM, Mark Brownell wrote:

> You don't own stock in Macromedia do you?

Nope. But I've paid more bills and bought more toys using its tools 
than all the others combined. Basically, it all comes down to what 
makes me money, as this is my profession. Rev-based tools have helped 
me solve a few problems, but Director has consistently paid the 
mortgage. While its true that there are a few things that Rev does 
which Director doesn't (though not many if you include available 
xtra$), my clients want the things that Director does which Rev doesn't 
- of which there is a very long list. That's all. They are different 
tools, and really don't compete as much as people think.

--
Troy
RPSystems, Ltd.
http://www.rpsystems.net


From katir at hindu.org  Sat Dec 11 23:17:56 2004
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 18:17:56 -1000
Subject: Delete card loop crashes Rev
Message-ID: <CCE12E5C-4BF4-11D9-998F-000A959D0AC6@hindu.org>

I have a stack that I use to download entire sites, Card one is set to 
cantDelete... I download the Table of contents page to that card, then 
run a script that parse the page and downloads every page on that has 
an href in the Table of Contents page... then dump to my hard drive.. 
and viola... locally accessible tutorials..  When I go to download a 
different site... I intend to delete the previous one with this script:

on mouseup
   Answer "You are about to delete all data except card 1! This is 
unrecoverable!" with "Cancel" or "Proceed"
   if it is "Cancel" then exit mouseup
   lock screen
   put the number of cards of this stack into tLoops
   go to card tLoops
   repeat (tLoops-1) times
    delete this card
   end repeat
end mouseup

which consistently causes Rev to crash on Mac OSX

Any clues? looks like a bug to me as I've used this script before 
successfully for years in Supercard, Metacard and in earlier renditions 
of Rev.

Sivakatirswami




From katir at hindu.org  Sat Dec 11 23:20:57 2004
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 18:20:57 -1000
Subject: Connecting to PostGreSQL on same machine: Mac OSX
In-Reply-To: <20DBBC76-4B93-11D9-96F9-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>
References: <443422D8-4B30-11D9-998F-000A959D0AC6@hindu.org>
	<BF9E1DF6-4B53-11D9-B1C6-000A95C61E96@easynet.fr>
	<20DBBC76-4B93-11D9-96F9-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>
Message-ID: <3902AA1C-4BF5-11D9-998F-000A959D0AC6@hindu.org>


Sannyasin Sivakatirswami
Himalayan Academy Publications
at Kauai's Hindu Monastery
katir at hindu.org

www.HimalayanAcademy.com,
www.HinduismToday.com
www.Gurudeva.org
www.Hindu.org
On Dec 11, 2004, at 6:38 AM, Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote:

> You shoud note that the server is not one of the "My Processes" in the  
> activity monitor.  Show "Other User Processes" or "All Processes" and  
> a process name of "postgres" should be listed three times.

;-) "such a novice am i"

OK great, yes: "Other User Processes" show three  and Andre's console  
test:

Last login: Fri Dec 10 18:24:45 on ttyp1
Welcome to Darwin!
[katir:~] katir% ps -auxc |grep "post"
postgres  5559   0.0  0.1    38040    980 std- S    Fri03PM   0:00.07  
postmaster
postgres  5562   0.0  0.0    35308    184 std- S    Fri03PM   0:00.00  
postgres:
postgres  5563   0.0  0.0    34320    272 std- S    Fri03PM   0:00.01  
postgres:
[katir:~] katir%

shows we are indeed up and running, as we suspected since all things  
are working from the cmd line.


>
> I find it highly unlikely that the server is not running if you were  
> able to execute a query; being able to communicate with the server is  
> generally an indication that it is running ;-)
>
>
>>
>>> just the tcsh shell I have open to talk to Postgres...
>>>
>>> And also, in rev, this fails:
>>>
>>>  put  
>>> revOpenDatabase("Postgresql","localhost","katir_test","postgres","myP 
>>> assWord")
>>>
>>> could not connect to server: Connection refused
>>> 	Is the server running on host "localhost" and accepting
>>> 	TCP/IP connections on port 5432?
>>
>> About the TCP/IP connections, they are set by default for the  
>> localhost only (and it enought to feet the app server needs..). You  
>> can if needed tune this in modifying the needed line in the  
>> "postgresql.conf" file.
>
> No, this is *not* the default for the current release versions of  
> PostgreSQL.  By default, TCP/IP connections (the only kind you can  
> make to PostgreSQL through Rev) are disabled.  You need to make  
> changes in two files in the data directory of PostgreSQL:
>
> You need to enable TCP/IP connections in postgresql.conf, and you need  
> to configure your authentication settings in pg_hba.conf.
>
> This is not described on the page listed below, but is mentioned in  
> the PostgreSQL documentation; for details see:
>
> http://www.postgresql.org/docs/7.3/static/client-authentication.html

Thanks... I'll check it out and let you all know what happens.

Aloha,


From dsc at swcp.com  Sun Dec 12 01:32:36 2004
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 23:32:36 -0700
Subject: parsing comments in scripts
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20041211192048.029d10f0@mail.tweedly.net>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20041211121614.02947e70@mail.tweedly.net>
	<1453581479.20041210122823@ahsoftware.net>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20041210124601.028c9158@mail.tweedly.net>
	<a0611043cbddf506a3e6d@[141.89.100.235]>
	<1453581479.20041210122823@ahsoftware.net>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20041211121614.02947e70@mail.tweedly.net>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20041211192048.029d10f0@mail.tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <9CDA7978-4C07-11D9-851B-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>


On Dec 11, 2004, at 12:33 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote:

> I just think it should do what it says in the docs - make all the code 
> between that line and the
> end myHandler be ignored / have no effect, equivalent to 
> "block-commenting" the whole handler.

I'm not comfortable with this.

To do this, it would have to ignore everything from the commented out 
'on' or 'function' line down to the 'end', including 'local', 'global' 
and 'constant' lines.  To do this, it would have to know the line is a 
commented out 'on' or 'function'.  To do this, it would have to look 
inside and parse the contents of comments.  This violates the trust 
between the compiler and me.  That which is in a comment belongs to me. 
  And besides, what if I have a temporary first line commented out, or 
for some reason include "on Christmas morning" in some line of a 
comment.

It is straightforward to select the entire handler and select "Comment" 
from the script menu.  An alternative might be to temporarily change 
the spelling of the name.

Dar


From dsc at swcp.com  Sun Dec 12 01:45:38 2004
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 23:45:38 -0700
Subject: Delete card loop crashes Rev
In-Reply-To: <CCE12E5C-4BF4-11D9-998F-000A959D0AC6@hindu.org>
References: <CCE12E5C-4BF4-11D9-998F-000A959D0AC6@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <6EF85D42-4C09-11D9-851B-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>


On Dec 11, 2004, at 9:17 PM, Sivakatirswami wrote:

> on mouseup
>   Answer "You are about to delete all data except card 1! This is 
> unrecoverable!" with "Cancel" or "Proceed"
>   if it is "Cancel" then exit mouseup
>   lock screen
>   put the number of cards of this stack into tLoops
>   go to card tLoops
>   repeat (tLoops-1) times
>    delete this card
>   end repeat
> end mouseup
>
> which consistently causes Rev to crash on Mac OSX

I put that script in a button on card one in an 8 card stack.  It 
deleted card 8 and then tried to delete card 1 and got an error because 
the script is on that card.  No crash though.

I changed the 'go to card tLoops' line to 'go to card 2' and it worked. 
  Maybe deleting this card moves this card to a different card than it 
did.

Dar

****************************************
     Dar Scott Consulting
     http://www.swcp.com/dsc/
     Programming Services
****************************************


From dsc at swcp.com  Sun Dec 12 01:55:32 2004
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 23:55:32 -0700
Subject: parsing comments in scripts
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20041211192048.029d10f0@mail.tweedly.net>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20041211121614.02947e70@mail.tweedly.net>
	<1453581479.20041210122823@ahsoftware.net>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20041210124601.028c9158@mail.tweedly.net>
	<a0611043cbddf506a3e6d@[141.89.100.235]>
	<1453581479.20041210122823@ahsoftware.net>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20041211121614.02947e70@mail.tweedly.net>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20041211192048.029d10f0@mail.tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <D0CE5E8C-4C0A-11D9-851B-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>


On Dec 11, 2004, at 12:33 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote:

> I just think it should do what it says in the docs - make all the code 
> between that line and the
> end myHandler be ignored / have no effect, equivalent to 
> "block-commenting" the whole handler.

Maybe an alternative would be to allow the word 'disabled' in front of 
'on' or 'function' to parse but not compile a handler.

Dar

****************************************
     Dar Scott Consulting
     http://www.swcp.com/dsc/
     Programming Services
****************************************


From heather at runrev.com  Sun Dec 12 04:53:43 2004
From: heather at runrev.com (Heather Nagey)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 09:53:43 +0000
Subject: Subject: Re: Christmas Special - we'll even solve your christmas 
	shopping problem 
In-Reply-To: <20041210170007.927A793010D@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BDE1C5A7.32E22%heather@runrev.com>

> Heather,
> 
> The bears are priceless ;-)
> 
> One question, however.  Christmas is a mere 2 weeks away. Will US
> customers really get their bear by Christmas if ordered now?

Yes, but you must order now, without delay. They will arrive by Royal Mail
small packet delivery, which should take 4-5 days. (DHL delivery proved to
be unviable as it would cost ?43 just for the shipping...)

Regards,

Heather

> 
> Marian

-- 

** For a faster response to all licensing, support, and technical issues,
please now send mail to support at runrev.com **

Heather Nagey ~ heather at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/
Runtime Revolution - User-Centric Development Tools
Tel +44 (0) 870 747 1165 Fax +44 (0) 845 4588487
~~~ Check our web site for new Revolution editions & special offers ~~~


From alex at tweedly.net  Sun Dec 12 07:19:27 2004
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 12:19:27 +0000
Subject: parsing comments in scripts
In-Reply-To: <9CDA7978-4C07-11D9-851B-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20041211192048.029d10f0@mail.tweedly.net>
 <5.1.0.14.0.20041211121614.02947e70@mail.tweedly.net>
 <1453581479.20041210122823@ahsoftware.net>
 <5.1.0.14.0.20041210124601.028c9158@mail.tweedly.net>
 <a0611043cbddf506a3e6d@[141.89.100.235]>
 <1453581479.20041210122823@ahsoftware.net>
 <5.1.0.14.0.20041211121614.02947e70@mail.tweedly.net>
 <5.1.0.14.0.20041211192048.029d10f0@mail.tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20041212121039.029bedb8@mail.tweedly.net>

At 23:32 11/12/2004 -0700, Dar Scott wrote:


>On Dec 11, 2004, at 12:33 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote:
>
>>I just think it should do what it says in the docs - make all the code 
>>between that line and the
>>end myHandler be ignored / have no effect, equivalent to 
>>"block-commenting" the whole handler.
>
>I'm not comfortable with this.
>
>To do this, it would have to ignore everything from the commented out 'on' 
>or 'function' line down to the 'end', including 'local', 'global' and 
>'constant' lines.  To do this, it would have to know the line is a 
>commented out 'on' or 'function'.  To do this, it would have to look 
>inside and parse the contents of comments.  This violates the trust 
>between the compiler and me.  That which is in a comment belongs to 
>me.  And besides, what if I have a temporary first line commented out, or 
>for some reason include "on Christmas morning" in some line of a comment.

Yeah - it certainly has some difficulties. In some ways I don't care 
whether they change the docs or the app - I just don't like them disagreeing.

>It is straightforward to select the entire handler and select "Comment" 
>from the script menu.  An alternative might be to temporarily change the 
>spelling of the name.

That's what I've always done (since I didn't know about this "feature"), 
and what I intend to keep on doing - so I'll never (deliberately) use this 
feature, and hopefully I will never be affected by it.

In this case, I don't think it's good enough to change the docs to reflect 
what the code does - because the current behaviour is a trap for the 
unwary. Often, I'll use the same (local) variable names within multiple 
handlers (e.g. tLine is a favourite of mine :-)  If I were to use this 
feature, it would then change all those occurrences of tLine from 
handler-local to script-local - i.e. they are all the same variable - so 
hard-to-find bugs are all too possible.

I'd prefer if they removed the feature entirely, or as you suggested used 
"disabled" or some such keyword rather than a comment, preceding the first 
line of the handler.

-- Alex.

From docmann at gmail.com  Sun Dec 12 07:53:55 2004
From: docmann at gmail.com (docmann)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 06:53:55 -0600
Subject: mySQL & Dreamcard
Message-ID: <9d58de7d0412120453464d900a@mail.gmail.com>

My first attempt at posting this to the list apparently didn't work,
so hopefully this does not end up as a duplicate... my apologies if it
does.

A couple of weeks ago I licensed Dreamcard as a learning/development
tool prior to a final move to Rev Studio, thinking that others could
assist with the testing process using the free player. (which I
thought was functional for any type of application.)

I've been working on a mySQL database app hosted on a remote server
and can access the db without problems from my development box.
However, when I tried testing the app on other computers (Linux & XP),
I learned that the player apparently requires some additional files.

The Linux box clearly shows that the player application cannot load the needed
library file(s), although I've manually copied them into the player's directory.

I've searched the download section at the web site without luck, so
maybe someone can point me to the additional files that are required
for both O/S's....?

Thanks in advanced for any help. :)

-Doc-

From rjb at rz.uni-potsdam.de  Sun Dec 12 07:46:52 2004
From: rjb at rz.uni-potsdam.de (Robert Brenstein)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 13:46:52 +0100
Subject: Delete card loop crashes Rev
In-Reply-To: <CCE12E5C-4BF4-11D9-998F-000A959D0AC6@hindu.org>
References: <CCE12E5C-4BF4-11D9-998F-000A959D0AC6@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <a06110407bde1ec18b9ed@[141.89.100.235]>

>I have a stack that I use to download entire sites, Card one is set 
>to cantDelete... I download the Table of contents page to that card, 
>then run a script that parse the page and downloads every page on 
>that has an href in the Table of Contents page... then dump to my 
>hard drive.. and viola... locally accessible tutorials..  When I go 
>to download a different site... I intend to delete the previous one 
>with this script:
>
>on mouseup
>   Answer "You are about to delete all data except card 1! This is 
>unrecoverable!" with "Cancel" or "Proceed"
>   if it is "Cancel" then exit mouseup
>   lock screen
>   put the number of cards of this stack into tLoops
>   go to card tLoops
>   repeat (tLoops-1) times
>    delete this card
>   end repeat
>end mouseup
>
>which consistently causes Rev to crash on Mac OSX
>
>Any clues? looks like a bug to me as I've used this script before 
>successfully for years in Supercard, Metacard and in earlier 
>renditions of Rev.
>
>Sivakatirswami

a) comment out the lock screen to see what is going on

the go to card tLoops takes you to the last card. When you delete it, 
you end up on the next which is the first card of the stack. Then you 
delete it. And I think that is where your script and the button 
resides.

b) try changing the loop

   repeat while the number of cards of this stack > 1
    go to the last card
    delete this card
   end repeat

this should also work and be more efficient

   repeat while the number of cards of this stack > 1
    delete the last card of this stack
   end repeat

c) I would change the logic of the program to avoid this altogether

keep the cards to be deleted in a substack which is a clone of a 
template substack, so you simply delete that entire substack. This 
may allow you to actually retain and support multiple sets in 
parallel.

Robert

From rev at armbase.com  Sun Dec 12 08:19:11 2004
From: rev at armbase.com (Bob Hartley)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 13:19:11 +0000
Subject: forum
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041212131502.019aeb90@mail.armbase.com>

Hi All

I've yet again been trawling the google search for a hint on a runrev topic 
(I cant get it in the video tutorials at the moment because I have not 
bought the video tutorials yet, only just bought studio).

Anyway. I develop for palmOS and the IDE I use is supported via a BBS.

Is there any chance of this thing being used instead of a list. I think it 
is far superior.

see
http://www.pdatnutsandbolts.com/

All the best
Bob


From steve at messimercomputing.com  Sun Dec 12 08:51:35 2004
From: steve at messimercomputing.com (steve messimer)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 08:51:35 -0500
Subject: Ins and outs
Message-ID: <BDE1B717.461%steve@messimercomputing.com>

Richard

>  As you will by now be aware, I am particularly interested
>in usability - specifically for non-computer types, and to
>that end made rather over-the-top tool bars for both RR &
>MC, and then went to one particular extreme with my thesis.


>  I do believe that far too little attention is paid to the
>end-user experience and wonder if now is not the time to
>start a use-list specifically dedicated to this - and keep
>the current - MC and RR lists for xTalk related matters
>only. The nature of RR/MC readily lends itself to the rapid
>development of a wide variety of user interfaces  - and,
>owing to the cross-platform nature of RR/MC, is, to my
>mind, one of the better RADs for UI development and
>experimentation.

I have been interested in this since Hypercard first appeared on the market.
On first glance rapid educational development using xTalk seemed the way to
go.  But what I found at least was that from scratch development of useful
educational applications could take months.  Part of the problem ( and there
are many others besides is that higher order development tools were not
available ) To build these was very time consuming. Now if you are an
instructor at any level time is not a commodity that is available in great
supply.  I started working on preceptortools  back in the late 80's. While
it was never a commercial success I think that some of the ideas still have
merit.

If you have never looked at it you are welcome to do so by going to my
website which is still up and running. http://www.messimercomputing.com

I would welcome the opportunity to participate in a dialog regarding methods
of improving the usability of development environments for educational
purposes.

Regards,

Steve Messimer, PA



From soapdog at mac.com  Sun Dec 12 09:12:31 2004
From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 12:12:31 -0200
Subject: forum
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20041212131502.019aeb90@mail.armbase.com>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041212131502.019aeb90@mail.armbase.com>
Message-ID: <DCE58C24-4C47-11D9-B496-0003936D012E@mac.com>


On Dec 12, 2004, at 11:19 AM, Bob Hartley wrote:

> Hi All
>
> I've yet again been trawling the google search for a hint on a runrev 
> topic (I cant get it in the video tutorials at the moment because I 
> have not bought the video tutorials yet, only just bought studio).
>
> Anyway. I develop for palmOS and the IDE I use is supported via a BBS.
>
> Is there any chance of this thing being used instead of a list. I 
> think it is far superior.

Bob,

This is list is the superior thing!!! ask something, we will answer!!!! 
my answer will take sometime for i've got a broken arm. One thing you 
might want is archivesearch plugin made by mark, it will help you 
search old threads....

cheers
andre




>
> see
> http://www.pdatnutsandbolts.com/
>
> All the best
> Bob
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
>
-- 
Andre Alves Garzia ? 2004
Soap Dog Studios - BRAZIL
http://studio.soapdog.org


From alex at tweedly.net  Sun Dec 12 10:07:33 2004
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 15:07:33 +0000
Subject: forum
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20041212131502.019aeb90@mail.armbase.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20041212150030.02944c70@mail.tweedly.net>

At 13:19 12/12/2004 +0000, Bob Hartley wrote:

>Hi All
>
>I've yet again been trawling the google search for a hint on a runrev 
>topic (I cant get it in the video tutorials at the moment because I have 
>not bought the video tutorials yet, only just bought studio).

I thought the video tutorials came as part of any license - though I must 
admit I've not tried to look at them (dial-up at 28.8 makes that am 
unappealing prospect :-)

>Anyway. I develop for palmOS and the IDE I use is supported via a BBS.
>
>Is there any chance of this thing being used instead of a list. I think it 
>is far superior.

Call me old-fashioned, but I like a traditional mailing list like this one. 
As long as it has good search tools (Mark's one already mentioned - I don't 
have a URL for it, sorry; or Google - 
http://www.google.com/advanced_search?q=site:lists.runrev.com ),  the main 
thing that matters is the responsiveness and helpfulness of the other 
people on the list/forum.

I haven't seen many lists or forums as fast and as thorough as this one in 
giving replies. Occasionally an email falls through the cracks - but 
repeating the request, maybe from a different angle, is usually all it 
takes to fix that.

So - what's your question Bob ?

-- Alex.

From magnus at mail.maclaunch.com  Sun Dec 12 09:51:31 2004
From: magnus at mail.maclaunch.com (Magnus Hippolyte Batavia)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 09:51:31 -0500
Subject: Sexuality and Runtime Revolution
Message-ID: <web-325545015@mail.maclaunch.com>

Here at Carthage College we are wanting lecturer to give
course on sexuality of Runtime Revolution (when I say
"mousedown" to my secretary Melanie, she has spontaneous
filing problems). Here at Carthage College in Coyote,
Wyoming, we are at the center of the community and want
people to feel attracted by programming: and Runtime
Revolution is very sexual. So we are wanting lecturer with
PhD to come to our College and give lectures on said
subject and real live demonstrations. Our program chief, Dr
Bhatt, has written Transcript program to remote control
vibrator; but stupid students want to study Buddhism. 

Melanie says she prefers me to do her in lunch break; not
attending courses on programming - but she is stupid
person; only good for filing.

Magnus  Hippolyte Batavia, PhD, DSc, Sarvabhauma
---------------------------------------------------------------
The Think Different Store
http://www.thinkdifferentstore.com/
For All Your Mac Gear
---------------------------------------------------------------

From gwalias-rev at yahoo.com  Sun Dec 12 10:34:02 2004
From: gwalias-rev at yahoo.com (Gordon)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 07:34:02 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Start Using
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20041212150030.02944c70@mail.tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <20041212153402.8623.qmail@web51110.mail.yahoo.com>

Dear Revolutionaries

I have created a little generic library stack with a
button that I am using the custom properties of, to
store global variables.

In the stack script, I have 2 small functions
"setGlobal" and "getGlobal" that set and get the
custom properties of the button.

I have tried having other stacks "go" to this stack
and then "start using" this stack, but I am unable to
get the "setGlobal" and "getGlobal" handlers to be
visible in the calling stacks (I get "handler not
found" type messages).

I have also tried having the library stack insert its
own script into back in its own onPreOpenStack handler
or having the calling stack do this - to no avail in
any case.

The built in docs are rather scant and disorganized
and I am still waiting for my rev manuals and Dan's
book, so I don't have much to work from.

Do I first "go" to the library stack file or can I
just "start using" the stack file directly. I don't
want to statically build it in to my main app as I
want it to be a kind of reusable plugin.

What am I missing here? What is the procedure I need
to get this to work?

Best

Gordon

 

=====
:::::::::: Gordon Webster ::::::::::

From klaus at major-k.de  Sun Dec 12 10:50:30 2004
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 16:50:30 +0100
Subject: Start Using
In-Reply-To: <20041212153402.8623.qmail@web51110.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20041212153402.8623.qmail@web51110.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8CC44615-4C55-11D9-9F23-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>

Hi Gordon,

> Dear Revolutionaries
>
> I have created a little generic library stack with a
> button that I am using the custom properties of, to
> store global variables.
>
> In the stack script, I have 2 small functions
> "setGlobal" and "getGlobal" that set and get the
> custom properties of the button.
>
> I have tried having other stacks "go" to this stack
> and then "start using" this stack, but I am unable to
> get the "setGlobal" and "getGlobal" handlers to be
> visible in the calling stacks (I get "handler not
> found" type messages).
>
> I have also tried having the library stack insert its
> own script into back in its own onPreOpenStack handler
> or having the calling stack do this - to no avail in
> any case.
>
> The built in docs are rather scant and disorganized
> and I am still waiting for my rev manuals and Dan's
> book, so I don't have much to work from.
>
> Do I first "go" to the library stack file or can I
> just "start using" the stack file directly. I don't
> want to statically build it in to my main app as I
> want it to be a kind of reusable plugin.
>
> What am I missing here? What is the procedure I need
> to get this to work?

you only need to "start using stack xyz" once, no need to "go" there!

If it is a substack this line in the mainstack should be sufficient:

on openstack
   start using stack "my library"
   ...
end preopenstack

Then all the handlers of that substack are available to all objects ind 
any stack...

Hope that helps...

> Best
>
> Gordon

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de


From rcozens at pon.net  Sun Dec 12 10:54:43 2004
From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 07:54:43 -0800
Subject: Start Using
In-Reply-To: <20041212153402.8623.qmail@web51110.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20041212153402.8623.qmail@web51110.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <a05210603bde216c138fc@[66.52.165.156]>

>Do I first "go" to the library stack file or can I
>just "start using" the stack file directly.

Morning Gordon,

There is no need to go to a stack before one starts using it.

In fact, going to the library may trigger open/preOpen handlers that 
do things that are unnecessary or interfere with its role as a 
library.  (If a Library needs to initialize when put in use, do it in 
a libraryStack handler.)

Have the stack that can't find the handlers list the stacksInUse for 
you just before making the call.  If your library stack is on the 
list and the handler called is in the library stack script, it should 
be found.

One possible gottcha: if you have a function, foo, in the library 
stack and call it as a command in the button script, you will get a 
"handler not found" error.  Likewise if you have a command, foo, and 
call it as a function.
-- 

Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)

From soapdog at mac.com  Sun Dec 12 11:14:18 2004
From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 14:14:18 -0200
Subject: Sexuality and Runtime Revolution
In-Reply-To: <web-325545015@mail.maclaunch.com>
References: <web-325545015@mail.maclaunch.com>
Message-ID: <E03E1948-4C58-11D9-B496-0003936D012E@mac.com>

That is byfar the strangest request I ever saw on this list.  I really 
do not understand what you want to do. The term "sexuality of Runtime 
Revolution" is odd for me, I am sure transcript/metatalk creators were 
not thinking about sex when they created the language. As a general 
purpose language, you can create almost anything out of it, if you want 
to control vibrators, Lego RCX or blinking leds is up to you and your 
programming skills. I don't think trying to link the language to sex is 
a something that should be called real, you can however link 
programmers to sex, if you want to try making some research to try to 
probe how some programmers expose their sexual thoughts in their code, 
like in their comments, you might get somewhere.

Also, calling people stupid on public lists is not polite, you can call 
her stupid as long as you do that on her face and face the consequences 
of your act. Buddhism is a very wise and beautifull religion, learning 
more about it might enlight you about all aspects of life and human 
interaction. I am no PhD or DSc or whatever acronyms they are called 
these days, but I know that developers can create very complex 
universes  inside their code, each piece of code revealing a little 
information on how they face the world, programming as all the creative 
activities out there reveal much from the 
mind/soul/personality/whatever of their creator, if you want to see sex 
there, maybe, you're thinking too much about it, sex is a topic best 
served when you are not worried or rationally thinking about it 
(popular quote here in Brazil). Also if you think your secretary is not 
up to your standards you need another one. The secretary lives in a 
symbiosis (damn, is this how we spell this in english!?) with their 
boss, it's a vital job! He/She will organize your professional life and 
serve as interface with the rest of the world, beware of angry 
secretaries and buttlers, sometimes they are more important than their 
bosses.... do not treat her like that, programming is difficult and can 
only be learned by willing minds.

cheers
andre



On Dec 12, 2004, at 12:51 PM, Magnus Hippolyte Batavia wrote:

> Here at Carthage College we are wanting lecturer to give
> course on sexuality of Runtime Revolution (when I say
> "mousedown" to my secretary Melanie, she has spontaneous
> filing problems). Here at Carthage College in Coyote,
> Wyoming, we are at the center of the community and want
> people to feel attracted by programming: and Runtime
> Revolution is very sexual. So we are wanting lecturer with
> PhD to come to our College and give lectures on said
> subject and real live demonstrations. Our program chief, Dr
> Bhatt, has written Transcript program to remote control
> vibrator; but stupid students want to study Buddhism.
>
> Melanie says she prefers me to do her in lunch break; not
> attending courses on programming - but she is stupid
> person; only good for filing.
>
> Magnus  Hippolyte Batavia, PhD, DSc, Sarvabhauma
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
> The Think Different Store
> http://www.thinkdifferentstore.com/
> For All Your Mac Gear
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
>
-- 
Andre Alves Garzia ? 2004 ? BRAZIL
http://studio.soapdog.org


From klaus at major-k.de  Sun Dec 12 11:25:08 2004
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 17:25:08 +0100
Subject: Sexuality and Runtime Revolution
In-Reply-To: <E03E1948-4C58-11D9-B496-0003936D012E@mac.com>
References: <web-325545015@mail.maclaunch.com>
	<E03E1948-4C58-11D9-B496-0003936D012E@mac.com>
Message-ID: <635C414E-4C5A-11D9-9F23-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>

Hi Andre, old spanish buddy :-D

> That is byfar the strangest request I ever saw on this list.

100% ACK!

> I really do not understand what you want to do. The term "sexuality of 
> Runtime Revolution" is odd for me, I am sure transcript/metatalk 
> creators were not thinking about sex when they created the language. 
> As a general purpose language, you can create almost anything out of 
> it, if you want to control vibrators, Lego RCX or blinking leds is up 
> to you and your programming skills. I don't think trying to link the 
> language to sex is a something that should be called real, you can 
> however link programmers to sex, if you want to try making some 
> research to try to probe how some programmers expose their sexual 
> thoughts in their code, like in their comments, you might get 
> somewhere.
>
> Also, calling people stupid on public lists is not polite, you can 
> call her stupid as long as you do that on her face and face the 
> consequences of your act. Buddhism is a very wise and beautifull 
> religion, learning more about it might enlight you about all aspects 
> of life and human interaction. I am no PhD or DSc or whatever acronyms 
> they are called these days, but I know that developers can create very 
> complex universes  inside their code, each piece of code revealing a 
> little information on how they face the world, programming as all the 
> creative activities out there reveal much from the 
> mind/soul/personality/whatever of their creator, if you want to see 
> sex there, maybe, you're thinking too much about it, sex is a topic 
> best served when you are not worried or rationally thinking about it 
> (popular quote here in Brazil). Also if you think your secretary is 
> not up to your standards you need another one. The secretary lives in 
> a symbiosis (damn, is this how we spell this in english!?) with their 
> boss, it's a vital job! He/She will organize your professional life 
> and serve as interface with the rest of the world, beware of angry 
> secretaries and buttlers, sometimes they are more important than their 
> bosses.... do not treat her like that, programming is difficult and 
> can only be learned by willing minds.

I think this is just a joke and should be treated like that.
At least i find it very funny :-)

If it is not, then Mr. Batavia (is it you, Richmond? ;-) surely needs 
some professional help!

> cheers
> andre
>
> On Dec 12, 2004, at 12:51 PM, Magnus Hippolyte Batavia wrote:
>
>> Here at Carthage College we are wanting lecturer to give
>> course on sexuality of Runtime Revolution (when I say
>> "mousedown" to my secretary Melanie, she has spontaneous
>> filing problems). Here at Carthage College in Coyote,
>> Wyoming, we are at the center of the community and want
>> people to feel attracted by programming: and Runtime
>> Revolution is very sexual. So we are wanting lecturer with
>> PhD to come to our College and give lectures on said
>> subject and real live demonstrations. Our program chief, Dr
>> Bhatt, has written Transcript program to remote control
>> vibrator; but stupid students want to study Buddhism.
>>
>> Melanie says she prefers me to do her in lunch break; not
>> attending courses on programming - but she is stupid
>> person; only good for filing.
>>
>> Magnus  Hippolyte Batavia, PhD, DSc, Sarvabhauma
>>
> -- 
> Andre Alves Garzia ? 2004 ? BRAZIL
> http://studio.soapdog.org

Best

Klaus Major (sic!)
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



P.S.

@Melanie:
Next time this strange person is making fun at you doesn't treat you 
right,
just kick some of his "naughty bits" ;-)


From mpetrides at earthlink.net  Sun Dec 12 11:26:08 2004
From: mpetrides at earthlink.net (Marian Petrides)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 11:26:08 -0500
Subject: Subject: Re: Christmas Special - we'll even solve your
	christmas  shopping problem 
In-Reply-To: <BDE1C5A7.32E22%heather@runrev.com>
References: <BDE1C5A7.32E22%heather@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <872F24F4-4C5A-11D9-981B-000A959D005E@earthlink.net>

On Dec 12, 2004, at 4:53 AM, Heather Nagey wrote:

 >>>Yes, but you must order now, without delay.

Done.

At $30 s&h included these are a real bargain! Scarf 'em up while you 
can folks!

Marian



From soapdog at mac.com  Sun Dec 12 11:41:46 2004
From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 14:41:46 -0200
Subject: Sexuality and Runtime Revolution
In-Reply-To: <635C414E-4C5A-11D9-9F23-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>
References: <web-325545015@mail.maclaunch.com>
	<E03E1948-4C58-11D9-B496-0003936D012E@mac.com>
	<635C414E-4C5A-11D9-9F23-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <B6825BC4-4C5C-11D9-B496-0003936D012E@mac.com>


On Dec 12, 2004, at 2:25 PM, Klaus Major wrote:

> I think this is just a joke and should be treated like that.
> At least i find it very funny :-)
>
> If it is not, then Mr. Batavia (is it you, Richmond? ;-) surely needs 
> some professiona


Klaus "PAAAAALLLLLLMMMM" Major,

i am taking to much medicine for my tonsils and broken arm, I first 
thought "this guy is joking" then I thought "no, my medicine is making 
the world funny, he must be serious..." then I acted as so... Richard 
told me not to release software while under heavy medication, maybe my 
mails are also compromissed! :-)

Andre

-- 
Andre Alves Garzia ? 2004 ? BRAZIL
http://studio.soapdog.org


From gizmotron at earthlink.net  Sun Dec 12 11:48:47 2004
From: gizmotron at earthlink.net (Mark Brownell)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 08:48:47 -0800
Subject: Arrays in Rev
In-Reply-To: <8157975C-4BE7-11D9-894A-000A95A09CF8@rpsystems.net>
Message-ID: <B1879DB4-4C5D-11D9-B584-000A95743F7A@earthlink.net>


On Saturday, December 11, 2004, at 06:42 PM, Troy Rollins wrote:

> Nope. But I've paid more bills and bought more toys using its tools 
> than all the others combined. Basically, it all comes down to what 
> makes me money, as this is my profession. Rev-based tools have helped 
> me solve a few problems, but Director has consistently paid the 
> mortgage. While its true that there are a few things that Rev does 
> which Director doesn't (though not many if you include available 
> xtra$), my clients want the things that Director does which Rev 
> doesn't - of which there is a very long list. That's all. They are 
> different tools, and really don't compete as much as people think.
>
> --
> Troy

I agree, they do offer different benefits.

Mark


From gwalias-rev at yahoo.com  Sun Dec 12 12:10:35 2004
From: gwalias-rev at yahoo.com (Gordon)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 09:10:35 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Start Using
Message-ID: <20041212171035.47864.qmail@web51106.mail.yahoo.com>

Dear Rob

Could you elaborate on the "gotcha" thing. I changed
my function from 

   "function setGlobal <params>"

to

   "on setGlobal <params>"

and now I don't get the error message, but instead of
setting the cutom property "myVar" of the button to
23.6, it creates a cutom property called "myVar,23.6"!

What's the difference between a command and a
function- I even tried setting "setGlobal" back to a
function and returning something, but then I got the
old "handler not found" error again. I am confused
about commands and functions - why are my functions
not seen and which should I use and when?

Here are the "setGlobal" and getGlobal functions

on setGlobal tname, tvalue
  set the tname of button "Button" of stack
"EZGlobals" to tvalue
end setGlobal

function getGlobal tname
  return the tname of button "Button" of stack
"EZGlobals"
end getGlobal

I don't mind having to pay for the rev manual, but
couldn't they send it electronically to help users
while they're waiting the 3-4 weeks it takes for the
paper versions to arrive by snail mail. It's really
hard trying to figure all this out from the
documention window that comes with rev. It doesn't
give any kind of overview of the Transcript language
that one would need to understand enough to really get
going. I am praying for my manuals to arrive a.s.a.p.

Best

Gordon


--- Rob Cozens <rcozens at pon.net> wrote:

> >Do I first "go" to the library stack file or can I
> >just "start using" the stack file directly.
> 
> Morning Gordon,
> 
> There is no need to go to a stack before one starts
> using it.
> 
> In fact, going to the library may trigger
> open/preOpen handlers that 
> do things that are unnecessary or interfere with its
> role as a 
> library.  (If a Library needs to initialize when put
> in use, do it in 
> a libraryStack handler.)
> 
> Have the stack that can't find the handlers list the
> stacksInUse for 
> you just before making the call.  If your library
> stack is on the 
> list and the handler called is in the library stack
> script, it should 
> be found.
> 
> One possible gottcha: if you have a function, foo,
> in the library 
> stack and call it as a command in the button script,
> you will get a 
> "handler not found" error.  Likewise if you have a
> command, foo, and 
> call it as a function.
> -- 
> 
> Rob Cozens
> CCW, Serendipity Software Company
> 
> "And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
> Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."
> 
> from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)
> 

From bill at bluewatermaritime.com  Sun Dec 12 12:16:16 2004
From: bill at bluewatermaritime.com (Bill)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 13:16:16 -0400
Subject: Sexuality and Runtime Revolution
In-Reply-To: <web-325545015@mail.maclaunch.com>
Message-ID: <BDE1F520.6937%bill@bluewatermaritime.com>

I agree with Andre. This could well be a serious college curriculum.
Although the sexist comments about the professor's secretary would surely
get him fired (perhaps he is tenured) at the least he will be suffering some
serious suing.


On 12/12/04 10:51 AM, "Magnus Hippolyte Batavia" <magnus at mail.maclaunch.com>
wrote:

> Here at Carthage College we are wanting lecturer to give
> course on sexuality of Runtime Revolution (when I say
> "mousedown" to my secretary Melanie, she has spontaneous
> filing problems). Here at Carthage College in Coyote,
> Wyoming, we are at the center of the community and want
> people to feel attracted by programming: and Runtime
> Revolution is very sexual. So we are wanting lecturer with
> PhD to come to our College and give lectures on said
> subject and real live demonstrations. Our program chief, Dr
> Bhatt, has written Transcript program to remote control
> vibrator; but stupid students want to study Buddhism.
> 
> Melanie says she prefers me to do her in lunch break; not
> attending courses on programming - but she is stupid
> person; only good for filing.
> 
> Magnus  Hippolyte Batavia, PhD, DSc, Sarvabhauma
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
> The Think Different Store
> http://www.thinkdifferentstore.com/
> For All Your Mac Gear
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> 
> 

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From rcozens at pon.net  Sun Dec 12 12:17:11 2004
From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 09:17:11 -0800
Subject: Start Using
Message-ID: <a05210602bde22d8a901c@[66.52.165.108]>

Gordon,

>
>Could you elaborate on the "gotcha" thing. I changed
>my function from
>
>    "function setGlobal <params>"
>
>to
>
>    "on setGlobal <params>"
>
>and now I don't get the error message, but instead of
>setting the cutom property "myVar" of the button to
>23.6, it creates a cutom property called "myVar,23.6"!
>
>What's the difference between a command and a
>function- I even tried setting "setGlobal" back to a
>function and returning something, but then I got the
>old "handler not found" error again. I am confused
>about commands and functions - why are my functions
>not seen and which should I use and when?

A command starts with "on"; a function starts with "function"
When calling a function, the arguments to be passed are enclosed in 
parens (); when calling a command they are not--though individual 
arguments may contain ()..
A function must return a value; a command may return a value.

The Rev script parser looks for the "(" in a handler call to 
determine whether it is a function or command.  If it sees "setGlobal 
params" it generates a "command message"; if it sees 
"setGlobal(params)" it generates a "function message".

So if one had a command "setGlobals" and scripted "setGlobals (the 
short name of the target)", one would get a "handler not found" 
[expecting a function]; whereas scripting.

	"get the short name of the target
	setGlobals it"

will work.


>Here are the "setGlobal" and getGlobal functions
>
>on setGlobal tname, tvalue
>   set the tname of button "Button" of stack
>"EZGlobals" to tvalue
>end setGlobal
>
>function getGlobal tname
>   return the tname of button "Button" of stack
>"EZGlobals"
>end getGlobal

I don't see any obvious error.  How are tname & tvalue set before the 
setGlobal command is called.
-- 

Rob

From gizmotron at earthlink.net  Sun Dec 12 12:26:09 2004
From: gizmotron at earthlink.net (Mark Brownell)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 09:26:09 -0800
Subject: Sexuality and Runtime Revolution
In-Reply-To: <B6825BC4-4C5C-11D9-B496-0003936D012E@mac.com>
Message-ID: <E9C29E06-4C62-11D9-B584-000A95743F7A@earthlink.net>



> On Dec 12, 2004, at 2:25 PM, Klaus Major wrote:
>
>> I think this is just a joke and should be treated like that.
>> At least i find it very funny :-)

I did that once. This guy submitted his biographical info & contact 
information to a directory of clinical therapists and psychologists. He 
was mostly promoting a retreat property on some island somewhere in the 
Mediterranean Sea.  His name was Bent Johnson. The fact that there was 
not much mention of his credentials and much about my suspecting his  
love shack on an island somewhere led me to ask the moderator of the 
directory to get more info from him. The guy was so offended after 
hearing what his name meant in american slang  that he fired back at 
us. Luckily all this took place off-list. I will never forget old Bent 
Johnson in helping me with internet etiquette.

Have you considered turrets syndrome?

Mark


From mpetrides at earthlink.net  Sun Dec 12 12:30:55 2004
From: mpetrides at earthlink.net (Marian Petrides)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 12:30:55 -0500
Subject: Sexuality and Runtime Revolution
In-Reply-To: <BDE1F520.6937%bill@bluewatermaritime.com>
References: <BDE1F520.6937%bill@bluewatermaritime.com>
Message-ID: <9434DC8E-4C63-11D9-B3F8-000A959D005E@earthlink.net>

Hey guys. I'd be really, really surprised if this isn't bogus--not to 
mention highly offensive.

First of all, a google search reveals a Carthage College in Kenosha WI 
but none in Wyoming.  I'm not even sure there is a town named Coyote, 
WY.

Second, check out the grammar and usage.  This purports to be from a 
faculty member at a US university, yet it is replete with grossly 
improper grammar.

Not to mention, as someone has already done, the statements about his 
secretary are not only demeaning but constitute blatant sexual 
harassment. No self-respecting faculty member in his right mind, 
tenured or not, would post such garbage in an open forum such as this.

Overall, except for the fact that it is directed to this list and not 
arriving as email from God-knows-where, this has all the earmarks of 
some of the most vile spam out there.

Oh, list mom, maybe this person should cautioned about the nature of 
his posts and excluded from this list if he persists in posting 
statements like:

>> Melanie says she prefers me to do her in lunch break; not
>> attending courses on programming - but she is stupid
>> person; only good for filing.

Am I the only one who finds this offensive?

Marian




On Dec 12, 2004, at 12:16 PM, Bill wrote:

> I agree with Andre. This could well be a serious college curriculum.
> Although the sexist comments about the professor's secretary would 
> surely
> get him fired (perhaps he is tenured) at the least he will be 
> suffering some
> serious suing.
>
>
> On 12/12/04 10:51 AM, "Magnus Hippolyte Batavia" 
> <magnus at mail.maclaunch.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Here at Carthage College we are wanting lecturer to give
>> course on sexuality of Runtime Revolution (when I say
>> "mousedown" to my secretary Melanie, she has spontaneous
>> filing problems). Here at Carthage College in Coyote,
>> Wyoming, we are at the center of the community and want
>> people to feel attracted by programming: and Runtime
>> Revolution is very sexual. So we are wanting lecturer with
>> PhD to come to our College and give lectures on said
>> subject and real live demonstrations. Our program chief, Dr
>> Bhatt, has written Transcript program to remote control
>> vibrator; but stupid students want to study Buddhism.
>>
>>
>>
>> Magnus  Hippolyte Batavia, PhD, DSc, Sarvabhauma
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>> The Think Different Store
>> http://www.thinkdifferentstore.com/
>> For All Your Mac Gear
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>>
>>
>
>             |    |    |
>            )_)  )_)  )_)
>           )___))___))___)\
>          )____)____)_____)\\
>        _____|____|____|____\\\__
> -------\                   /--------- http://www.bluewatermaritime.com
>  ^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>   ^^^^      ^^^^     ^^^    ^^
>        ^^^^      ^^^
>
> 24 hour cell: (787) 378-6190
> fax: (787) 809-8426
>
> Blue Water Maritime
> P.O. Box 91
> Puerto Real, PR 00740
>
>
>
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> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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From gizmotron at earthlink.net  Sun Dec 12 12:41:44 2004
From: gizmotron at earthlink.net (Mark Brownell)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 09:41:44 -0800
Subject: Sexuality and Runtime Revolution
In-Reply-To: <9434DC8E-4C63-11D9-B3F8-000A959D005E@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <16E3B4E8-4C65-11D9-B584-000A95743F7A@earthlink.net>


On Sunday, December 12, 2004, at 09:30 AM, Marian Petrides wrote:

> Am I the only one who finds this offensive?
>
> Marian

No, but I cuss like a drunken sailor. I mean I know it's  offensive to 
others that is. So what part of troll baiting don't you like?

Mark


From gwalias-rev at yahoo.com  Sun Dec 12 12:51:50 2004
From: gwalias-rev at yahoo.com (Gordon)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 09:51:50 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Sexuality and Runtime Revolution
In-Reply-To: <9434DC8E-4C63-11D9-B3F8-000A959D005E@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20041212175150.57425.qmail@web51106.mail.yahoo.com>

Guys!!! This is so obviously bogus and as Marian
rightly says, offensive as well - I'm sure he's
enjoying the chatter he has created with his
ridiculous post - can't the moderators just boot him
off and/or suppress mail from his IP address (in case
he changes his name).

Best

Gordon



--- Marian Petrides <mpetrides at earthlink.net> wrote:

> Hey guys. I'd be really, really surprised if this
> isn't bogus--not to 
> mention highly offensive.
> 
> First of all, a google search reveals a Carthage
> College in Kenosha WI 
> but none in Wyoming.  I'm not even sure there is a
> town named Coyote, 
> WY.
> 
> Second, check out the grammar and usage.  This
> purports to be from a 
> faculty member at a US university, yet it is replete
> with grossly 
> improper grammar.
> 
> Not to mention, as someone has already done, the
> statements about his 
> secretary are not only demeaning but constitute
> blatant sexual 
> harassment. No self-respecting faculty member in his
> right mind, 
> tenured or not, would post such garbage in an open
> forum such as this.
> 
> Overall, except for the fact that it is directed to
> this list and not 
> arriving as email from God-knows-where, this has all
> the earmarks of 
> some of the most vile spam out there.
> 
> Oh, list mom, maybe this person should cautioned
> about the nature of 
> his posts and excluded from this list if he persists
> in posting 
> statements like:
> 
> >> Melanie says she prefers me to do her in lunch
> break; not
> >> attending courses on programming - but she is
> stupid
> >> person; only good for filing.
> 
> Am I the only one who finds this offensive?
> 
> Marian
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 12, 2004, at 12:16 PM, Bill wrote:
> 
> > I agree with Andre. This could well be a serious
> college curriculum.
> > Although the sexist comments about the professor's
> secretary would 
> > surely
> > get him fired (perhaps he is tenured) at the least
> he will be 
> > suffering some
> > serious suing.
> >
> >
> > On 12/12/04 10:51 AM, "Magnus Hippolyte Batavia" 
> > <magnus at mail.maclaunch.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Here at Carthage College we are wanting lecturer
> to give
> >> course on sexuality of Runtime Revolution (when I
> say
> >> "mousedown" to my secretary Melanie, she has
> spontaneous
> >> filing problems). Here at Carthage College in
> Coyote,
> >> Wyoming, we are at the center of the community
> and want
> >> people to feel attracted by programming: and
> Runtime
> >> Revolution is very sexual. So we are wanting
> lecturer with
> >> PhD to come to our College and give lectures on
> said
> >> subject and real live demonstrations. Our program
> chief, Dr
> >> Bhatt, has written Transcript program to remote
> control
> >> vibrator; but stupid students want to study
> Buddhism.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Magnus  Hippolyte Batavia, PhD, DSc, Sarvabhauma
> >>
>
---------------------------------------------------------------
> >> The Think Different Store
> >> http://www.thinkdifferentstore.com/
> >> For All Your Mac Gear
> >>
>
---------------------------------------------------------------
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> use-revolution mailing list
> >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> >>
>
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> >>
> >>
> >
> >             |    |    |
> >            )_)  )_)  )_)
> >           )___))___))___)\
> >          )____)____)_____)\\
> >        _____|____|____|____\\\__
> > -------\                   /---------
> http://www.bluewatermaritime.com
> >  ^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >   ^^^^      ^^^^     ^^^    ^^
> >        ^^^^      ^^^
> >
> > 24 hour cell: (787) 378-6190
> > fax: (787) 809-8426
> >
> > Blue Water Maritime
> > P.O. Box 91
> > Puerto Real, PR 00740
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-revolution mailing list
> > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> >
>
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> >
> 
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>
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=====
:::::::::: Gordon Webster ::::::::::

From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sun Dec 12 12:54:56 2004
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 09:54:56 -0800
Subject: Sexuality and Runtime Revolution
In-Reply-To: <B6825BC4-4C5C-11D9-B496-0003936D012E@mac.com>
References: <web-325545015@mail.maclaunch.com>
 <E03E1948-4C58-11D9-B496-0003936D012E@mac.com>
 <635C414E-4C5A-11D9-9F23-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>
 <B6825BC4-4C5C-11D9-B496-0003936D012E@mac.com>
Message-ID: <881427232.20041212095456@ahsoftware.net>

Andre-

Sunday, December 12, 2004, 8:41:46 AM, you wrote:

AG> the world funny, he must be serious..." then I acted as so... Richard
AG> told me not to release software while under heavy medication, maybe my

Wait... we are *not* supposed to release software while under heavy
medication? Uh oh...

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sun Dec 12 13:02:32 2004
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 10:02:32 -0800
Subject: Sexuality and Runtime Revolution
In-Reply-To: <web-325545015@mail.maclaunch.com>
References: <web-325545015@mail.maclaunch.com>
Message-ID: <1891883888.20041212100232@ahsoftware.net>

I ran PhD through Microsoft Word's spell checker, and while it wasn't
in there as typed, it suggested that I might have meant pH.

In addition, Bhatt was not found, but the kind folks in Redmond
suggested Beat, Boat, Blat, and Brat. I'm not sure quite what a Blat
is, but I rather like the sound of Dr. Beat.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net


From gizmotron at earthlink.net  Sun Dec 12 13:09:20 2004
From: gizmotron at earthlink.net (Mark Brownell)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 10:09:20 -0800
Subject: Sexuality and Runtime Revolution
In-Reply-To: <1891883888.20041212100232@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <F2357FDC-4C68-11D9-A2AA-000A95743F7A@earthlink.net>

feeding the trolls... 25cents a post


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sun Dec 12 13:11:51 2004
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 10:11:51 -0800
Subject: forum
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20041212150030.02944c70@mail.tweedly.net>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20041212150030.02944c70@mail.tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <1712442502.20041212101151@ahsoftware.net>

Alex-

Sunday, December 12, 2004, 7:07:33 AM, you wrote:

AT> Call me old-fashioned, but I like a traditional mailing list like this one.
AT> As long as it has good search tools (Mark's one already mentioned - I don't
AT> have a URL for it, sorry; or Google - 
AT> http://www.google.com/advanced_search?q=site:lists.runrev.com ),  the main

http://www.ahsoftware.net/ArchiveSearch.html

AT> I haven't seen many lists or forums as fast and as thorough as this one in

I enthusiastically second that. And while the online list archive
software leaves a lot to be desired, the amount of help available here
is absolutely awesome. I remember a couple of attempts to set up
runrev fora, but as far as I can tell they died from lack of interest.
Maybe I'm misremembering and they're actually in use somewhere, in
which case someone will set me straight about this.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sun Dec 12 13:16:05 2004
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 10:16:05 -0800
Subject: parsing comments in scripts
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20041212121039.029bedb8@mail.tweedly.net>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20041211192048.029d10f0@mail.tweedly.net>
 <5.1.0.14.0.20041211121614.02947e70@mail.tweedly.net>
 <1453581479.20041210122823@ahsoftware.net>
 <5.1.0.14.0.20041210124601.028c9158@mail.tweedly.net>
 <a0611043cbddf506a3e6d@[141.89.100.235]>
 <1453581479.20041210122823@ahsoftware.net>
 <5.1.0.14.0.20041211121614.02947e70@mail.tweedly.net>
 <5.1.0.14.0.20041211192048.029d10f0@mail.tweedly.net>
 <5.1.0.14.0.20041212121039.029bedb8@mail.tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <1812696437.20041212101605@ahsoftware.net>

Alex-

Sunday, December 12, 2004, 4:19:27 AM, you wrote:

AT> I'd prefer if they removed the feature entirely, or as you suggested used
AT> "disabled" or some such keyword rather than a comment, preceding the first
AT> line of the handler.

I would, too, now that Ken has set me straight on what the "first"
line is. However, now that I understand what's involved in this, I'm
rather apathetic to the whole thing since I don't intend to use this
"feature" at all. I'm changing my bz comment to suggest removal.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sun Dec 12 13:18:56 2004
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 10:18:56 -0800
Subject: parsing comments in scripts
In-Reply-To: <BDE0A32A.AC85%kray@sonsothunder.com>
References: <BDE0A32A.AC85%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <682867893.20041212101856@ahsoftware.net>

Ken-

Thanks for explaining the "first" line to me. Now I get it. I'm not in
a panic anymore, but it's still bizarre. I'm sure someone thought it
was a good idea at the time... more heavy medication, maybe?

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sun Dec 12 13:24:19 2004
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 10:24:19 -0800
Subject: me missing in actions...
In-Reply-To: <p06110414bde0ffe0eb00@[10\.0\.0\.3]>
References: <73EE02A4-4BA8-11D9-90B1-0003936D012E@mac.com>
 <p06110414bde0ffe0eb00@[10.0.0.3]>
Message-ID: <323190728.20041212102419@ahsoftware.net>

sims-

Aubergines blow up in the oven? I always thought pricking them with a
fork would prevent that. Always one more thing to worry about...

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sun Dec 12 13:27:57 2004
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 10:27:57 -0800
Subject: parsing comments in scripts
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20041210190751.02999f68@mail.tweedly.net>
References: <19849545222.20041209230159@ahsoftware.net>
 <5.1.0.14.0.20041210190751.02999f68@mail.tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <1233408751.20041212102757@ahsoftware.net>

Alex-

Friday, December 10, 2004, 11:26:15 AM, you wrote:

AT> function StripComments theLine
AT>    local theResult
AT>    put token 1 to -1 of theLine into theResult
AT>     if quote is in token -2 to -1 of theLine then put quote after theResult
AT>    return theResult
AT> end StripComents

Thanks for that. It pretty much does the job for me, although I have
to handle C-style comments and line-continuation characters externally
before the tokenizer has a chance to work.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net


From dsc at swcp.com  Sun Dec 12 13:39:19 2004
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 11:39:19 -0700
Subject: parsing comments in scripts
In-Reply-To: <1812696437.20041212101605@ahsoftware.net>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20041211192048.029d10f0@mail.tweedly.net>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20041211121614.02947e70@mail.tweedly.net>
	<1453581479.20041210122823@ahsoftware.net>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20041210124601.028c9158@mail.tweedly.net>
	<a0611043cbddf506a3e6d@[141.89.100.235]>
	<1453581479.20041210122823@ahsoftware.net>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20041211121614.02947e70@mail.tweedly.net>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20041211192048.029d10f0@mail.tweedly.net>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20041212121039.029bedb8@mail.tweedly.net>
	<1812696437.20041212101605@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <221899F0-4C6D-11D9-AED8-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>


On Dec 12, 2004, at 11:16 AM, Mark Wieder wrote:

> I would, too, now that Ken has set me straight on what the "first"
> line is. However, now that I understand what's involved in this, I'm
> rather apathetic to the whole thing since I don't intend to use this
> "feature" at all. I'm changing my bz comment to suggest removal.

The feature is a by-product of the compiler ignoring top level lines 
that are not top level constructs or commands in Transcript.

The problem is that local, global and constant in the handler that is 
disabled this way are pushed to the script level.

Any attempt to fix that based on the comment syntax will have the 
compiler looking into comments.  That means that though you do not 
intend to use this, you might accidently.

Dar
****************************************
     Dar Scott Consulting
     http://www.swcp.com/dsc/
     Programming Services
****************************************


From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Sun Dec 12 13:38:20 2004
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 10:38:20 -0800
Subject: mySQL & Dreamcard
Message-ID: <p06200702bde23e3cee5c@[192.168.1.106]>

Database access is a major feature reserved for those who buy the 
higher level software. I really don't think Dreamcard is supposed to 
offer database access.

sqb

>My first attempt at posting this to the list apparently didn't work,
>so hopefully this does not end up as a duplicate... my apologies if it
>does.
>
>A couple of weeks ago I licensed Dreamcard as a learning/development
>tool prior to a final move to Rev Studio, thinking that others could
>assist with the testing process using the free player. (which I
>thought was functional for any type of application.)
>
>I've been working on a mySQL database app hosted on a remote server
>and can access the db without problems from my development box.
>However, when I tried testing the app on other computers (Linux & XP),
>I learned that the player apparently requires some additional files.
>
>The Linux box clearly shows that the player application cannot load the needed
>library file(s), although I've manually copied them into the 
>player's directory.
>
>I've searched the download section at the web site without luck, so
>maybe someone can point me to the additional files that are required
>for both O/S's....?
>
>Thanks in advanced for any help. :)
>
>-Doc-
>_______________________________________________
>use-revolution mailing list
>use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sun Dec 12 13:42:27 2004
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 10:42:27 -0800
Subject: THESIS now available
In-Reply-To: <web-325403162@mail.maclaunch.com>
References: <web-325403162@mail.maclaunch.com>
Message-ID: <524278462.20041212104227@ahsoftware.net>

Richmond-

Thursday, December 9, 2004, 11:52:35 AM, you wrote:

M>   My Thesis in the form that I have submitted it is now
M> available in HTML format via the FILES page of my website.

Well, I'm working my way through it and it's fascinating so far - I'm
looking forward to the prototype software. I'm disappointed that you
didn't mention either ProGraph or VIP-C, though. Maybe for volume 2,
or when you decide to go for the PhuD.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net


From hershrev at realtorsgroup.us  Sun Dec 12 14:08:29 2004
From: hershrev at realtorsgroup.us (Hershel Fisch)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 14:08:29 -0500
Subject: Connecting to PostGreSQL on same machine: Mac OSX
In-Reply-To: <443422D8-4B30-11D9-998F-000A959D0AC6@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <3524FFC4-4C71-11D9-933E-0030654C1E62@realtorsgroup.us>


On Friday, December 10, 2004, at 11:51 PM, Sivakatirswami wrote:

> Alright... I've successfully installed PostGreSQL on my mac... in the  
> terminal it's up and running, I've created a database and just now did
>
> select * from taskroster
>
> and got my two test rows returned... but..
>
> in the Mac's activity monitor... i don't see a process named "Postgres"
> just the tcsh shell I have open to talk to Postgres...
>
> And also, in rev, this fails:
>
>  put  
> revOpenDatabase("Postgresql","localhost","katir_test","postgres","myPas 
> sWord")
>
> could not connect to server: Connection refused
> 	Is the server running on host "localhost" and accepting
> 	TCP/IP connections on port 5432?
Hi , in order to run thru a tcp/ip connection it has to be enabled  
first , to do so eithre you enable the tcp/ip or you start it
with an -I flag.
su - postgres
password
postgres% "/usr/local/bin/postmaster -D /usr/local/pgsql/data ?I" (  
this is the -I flag you enter)
Hershel Fisch



>
> my computer name on the lan is "katir.hindu.org"  but
>
>  put  
> revOpenDatabase("Postgresql","katir.hindu.org","katir_test","postgres", 
> "myPassWord")
>
> does not work either..
>
> I'm sure this must be simple...
>
> TIA
>
> Sannyasin Sivakatirswami
> Himalayan Academy Publications
> at Kauai's Hindu Monastery
> katir at hindu.org
>
> www.HimalayanAcademy.com,
> www.HinduismToday.com
> www.Gurudeva.org
> www.Hindu.org
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>

From gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com  Sun Dec 12 14:17:11 2004
From: gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 11:17:11 -0800
Subject: Making a Rev-built app hoist itself to the foreground
Message-ID: <6C72D9B4-4C72-11D9-AC30-000A95A872D6@inspiredlogic.com>

Is there a simple way I'm missing to create a Revolution app that, when 
called from the command line (and thus starts in the background) hoist 
itself to the foreground to be in front of the user? I'm looking for 
the cross platform transcript equivalent of AppleScript's "activate"

regards,

Geoff Canyon
gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com


From cassj at earthlink.net  Sun Dec 12 14:25:19 2004
From: cassj at earthlink.net (James Cass)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 14:25:19 -0500
Subject: Sexuality and Runtime Revolution
In-Reply-To: <web-325545015@mail.maclaunch.com>
References: <web-325545015@mail.maclaunch.com>
Message-ID: <8F564992-4C73-11D9-BACD-000D93C26DB4@earthlink.net>

Rev-Dudes and Dudettes -

I'm putting this Magnus character on permanent "IGNORE".  Anything more 
is a waste of time.

- James


On Dec 12, 2004, at 9:51 AM, Magnus Hippolyte Batavia wrote:

> Here at Carthage College we are wanting lecturer to give
> course on sexuality of Runtime Revolution (when I say
> "mousedown" to my secretary Melanie, she has spontaneous
> filing problems). Here at Carthage College in Coyote,
> Wyoming, we are at the center of the community and want
> people to feel attracted by programming: and Runtime
> Revolution is very sexual. So we are wanting lecturer with
> PhD to come to our College and give lectures on said
> subject and real live demonstrations. Our program chief, Dr
> Bhatt, has written Transcript program to remote control
> vibrator; but stupid students want to study Buddhism.
>
> Melanie says she prefers me to do her in lunch break; not
> attending courses on programming - but she is stupid
> person; only good for filing.
>
> Magnus  Hippolyte Batavia, PhD, DSc, Sarvabhauma
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
> The Think Different Store
> http://www.thinkdifferentstore.com/
> For All Your Mac Gear
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>


From hershrev at realtorsgroup.us  Sun Dec 12 14:23:36 2004
From: hershrev at realtorsgroup.us (Hershel Fisch)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 14:23:36 -0500
Subject: Sexuality and Runtime Revolution
In-Reply-To: <F2357FDC-4C68-11D9-A2AA-000A95743F7A@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <524E2233-4C73-11D9-933E-0030654C1E62@realtorsgroup.us>

It looks like all of us are on vacation.
Every body get back to work . There are more important to discuses 
over-here on this list.
On Sunday, December 12, 2004, at 01:09 PM, Mark Brownell wrote:

> feeding the trolls... 25cents a post
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>


From gwalias-rev at yahoo.com  Sun Dec 12 15:16:02 2004
From: gwalias-rev at yahoo.com (Gordon)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 12:16:02 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Start Using
In-Reply-To: <a05210602bde22d8a901c@[66.52.165.108]>
Message-ID: <20041212201602.544.qmail@web51106.mail.yahoo.com>

OK, thanks to the help of Rob and others, I have a
"setGlobal" function that works

Here it is:
on setGlobal tname, tvalue
  set the tname of button "Button" of stack
"EZGlobals" to tvalue
end setGlobal

- When I hit a button on the calling stack, it creates
custom properties just fine in the button on my
library stack.

But when I ty to poll the values of these custom
properties (which I can see in the inspector), they
are empty but I get no error.

Here's the retrieving function in the library stack

function getGlobal tname
  return the customProperties[tname] of button
"Button" of stack "EZGlobals"
end getGlobal


So for example, I set a global called "myVar" to 144.
I can see it in the custom properties of the button on
my library stack. When I do "answer
getGlobal("myVar")" either from the calling stack or
the message box, it works without an error but I get
an empty value.

Any ideas?

Best

Gordon

--- Rob Cozens <rcozens at pon.net> wrote:

> Gordon,
> 
> >
> >Could you elaborate on the "gotcha" thing. I
> changed
> >my function from
> >
> >    "function setGlobal <params>"
> >
> >to
> >
> >    "on setGlobal <params>"
> >
> >and now I don't get the error message, but instead
> of
> >setting the cutom property "myVar" of the button to
> >23.6, it creates a cutom property called
> "myVar,23.6"!
> >
> >What's the difference between a command and a
> >function- I even tried setting "setGlobal" back to
> a
> >function and returning something, but then I got
> the
> >old "handler not found" error again. I am confused
> >about commands and functions - why are my functions
> >not seen and which should I use and when?
> 
> A command starts with "on"; a function starts with
> "function"
> When calling a function, the arguments to be passed
> are enclosed in 
> parens (); when calling a command they are
> not--though individual 
> arguments may contain ()..
> A function must return a value; a command may return
> a value.
> 
> The Rev script parser looks for the "(" in a handler
> call to 
> determine whether it is a function or command.  If
> it sees "setGlobal 
> params" it generates a "command message"; if it sees
> 
> "setGlobal(params)" it generates a "function
> message".
> 
> So if one had a command "setGlobals" and scripted
> "setGlobals (the 
> short name of the target)", one would get a "handler
> not found" 
> [expecting a function]; whereas scripting.
> 
> 	"get the short name of the target
> 	setGlobals it"
> 
> will work.
> 
> 
> >Here are the "setGlobal" and getGlobal functions
> >
> >on setGlobal tname, tvalue
> >   set the tname of button "Button" of stack
> >"EZGlobals" to tvalue
> >end setGlobal
> >
> >function getGlobal tname
> >   return the tname of button "Button" of stack
> >"EZGlobals"
> >end getGlobal
> 
> I don't see any obvious error.  How are tname &
> tvalue set before the 
> setGlobal command is called.
> -- 
> 
> Rob
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> 


=====
:::::::::: Gordon Webster ::::::::::

From gwalias-rev at yahoo.com  Sun Dec 12 15:22:56 2004
From: gwalias-rev at yahoo.com (Gordon)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 12:22:56 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Start Using
In-Reply-To: <20041212201602.544.qmail@web51106.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20041212202256.17989.qmail@web51109.mail.yahoo.com>

Forget it!

I see what I'm doing wrong - customProperties refers
to a customPropertySet - I just substituted "return
the tname of button ...." in getGlobal and it works.

"Please Mr Postman look and see (oh yeah)
If there's a manual,
a rev manual for me ... "

Best

Gordon



--- Gordon <gwalias-rev at yahoo.com> wrote:

> OK, thanks to the help of Rob and others, I have a
> "setGlobal" function that works
> 
> Here it is:
> on setGlobal tname, tvalue
>   set the tname of button "Button" of stack
> "EZGlobals" to tvalue
> end setGlobal
> 
> - When I hit a button on the calling stack, it
> creates
> custom properties just fine in the button on my
> library stack.
> 
> But when I ty to poll the values of these custom
> properties (which I can see in the inspector), they
> are empty but I get no error.
> 
> Here's the retrieving function in the library stack
> 
> function getGlobal tname
>   return the customProperties[tname] of button
> "Button" of stack "EZGlobals"
> end getGlobal
> 
> 
> So for example, I set a global called "myVar" to
> 144.
> I can see it in the custom properties of the button
> on
> my library stack. When I do "answer
> getGlobal("myVar")" either from the calling stack or
> the message box, it works without an error but I get
> an empty value.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> Best
> 
> Gordon
> 
> --- Rob Cozens <rcozens at pon.net> wrote:
> 
> > Gordon,
> > 
> > >
> > >Could you elaborate on the "gotcha" thing. I
> > changed
> > >my function from
> > >
> > >    "function setGlobal <params>"
> > >
> > >to
> > >
> > >    "on setGlobal <params>"
> > >
> > >and now I don't get the error message, but
> instead
> > of
> > >setting the cutom property "myVar" of the button
> to
> > >23.6, it creates a cutom property called
> > "myVar,23.6"!
> > >
> > >What's the difference between a command and a
> > >function- I even tried setting "setGlobal" back
> to
> > a
> > >function and returning something, but then I got
> > the
> > >old "handler not found" error again. I am
> confused
> > >about commands and functions - why are my
> functions
> > >not seen and which should I use and when?
> > 
> > A command starts with "on"; a function starts with
> > "function"
> > When calling a function, the arguments to be
> passed
> > are enclosed in 
> > parens (); when calling a command they are
> > not--though individual 
> > arguments may contain ()..
> > A function must return a value; a command may
> return
> > a value.
> > 
> > The Rev script parser looks for the "(" in a
> handler
> > call to 
> > determine whether it is a function or command.  If
> > it sees "setGlobal 
> > params" it generates a "command message"; if it
> sees
> > 
> > "setGlobal(params)" it generates a "function
> > message".
> > 
> > So if one had a command "setGlobals" and scripted
> > "setGlobals (the 
> > short name of the target)", one would get a
> "handler
> > not found" 
> > [expecting a function]; whereas scripting.
> > 
> > 	"get the short name of the target
> > 	setGlobals it"
> > 
> > will work.
> > 
> > 
> > >Here are the "setGlobal" and getGlobal functions
> > >
> > >on setGlobal tname, tvalue
> > >   set the tname of button "Button" of stack
> > >"EZGlobals" to tvalue
> > >end setGlobal
> > >
> > >function getGlobal tname
> > >   return the tname of button "Button" of stack
> > >"EZGlobals"
> > >end getGlobal
> > 
> > I don't see any obvious error.  How are tname &
> > tvalue set before the 
> > setGlobal command is called.
> > -- 
> > 
> > Rob
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-revolution mailing list
> > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> >
>
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> > 
> 
> 
> =====
> :::::::::: Gordon Webster ::::::::::
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> 


=====
:::::::::: Gordon Webster ::::::::::

From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sun Dec 12 15:29:46 2004
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 12:29:46 -0800
Subject: parsing comments in scripts
In-Reply-To: <221899F0-4C6D-11D9-AED8-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20041211192048.029d10f0@mail.tweedly.net>
 <5.1.0.14.0.20041211121614.02947e70@mail.tweedly.net>
 <1453581479.20041210122823@ahsoftware.net>
 <5.1.0.14.0.20041210124601.028c9158@mail.tweedly.net>
 <a0611043cbddf506a3e6d@[141.89.100.235]>
 <1453581479.20041210122823@ahsoftware.net>
 <5.1.0.14.0.20041211121614.02947e70@mail.tweedly.net>
 <5.1.0.14.0.20041211192048.029d10f0@mail.tweedly.net>
 <5.1.0.14.0.20041212121039.029bedb8@mail.tweedly.net>
 <1812696437.20041212101605@ahsoftware.net>
 <221899F0-4C6D-11D9-AED8-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <3110717801.20041212122946@ahsoftware.net>

Dar-

Sunday, December 12, 2004, 10:39:19 AM, you wrote:

DS> The feature is a by-product of the compiler ignoring top level lines
DS> that are not top level constructs or commands in Transcript.

Ah - so this "feature" is actually tied into your postings about junk
in scripts?

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net


From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Sun Dec 12 15:33:12 2004
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 12:33:12 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Ins and outs
In-Reply-To: <BDE1B717.461%steve@messimercomputing.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0412121229570.22339-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

I agree that this is a useful and, to the company I would hope, a valuable
topic in which the userbase could assist the company to develop a product
geared towards the enduser (non-geek) market that could help bring in
greater revenue than may ultimately be generated by the 'diminishing
marginal returns geek market'.

I had thought of this possibility last night when I first read Richmond's
comment... Richard, what is the possibility of either a
separately-sanctioned Yahoo discussion group or the merging of the
improve-docs thread along with an improve-UI thread for the existing
group?

I am quite certain that all the real geeks have long since tired  of
reading our comments/rants/other regarding the usability of Rev/Dreamcard.

Perhaps if comments similar to those which have been offered on the
improve-docs group could be offered up and backed up with sound research
or reasoning, the company would be willing to take a look?

Judy

On Sun, 12 Dec 2004, steve messimer wrote:

> Richard
>
> >  As you will by now be aware, I am particularly interested
> >in usability - specifically for non-computer types, and to
> >that end made rather over-the-top tool bars for both RR &
> >MC, and then went to one particular extreme with my thesis.
>
>
> >  I do believe that far too little attention is paid to the
> >end-user experience and wonder if now is not the time to
> >start a use-list specifically dedicated to this - and keep
> >the current - MC and RR lists for xTalk related matters
> >only. The nature of RR/MC readily lends itself to the rapid
> >development of a wide variety of user interfaces  - and,
> >owing to the cross-platform nature of RR/MC, is, to my
> >mind, one of the better RADs for UI development and
> >experimentation.
>
> I have been interested in this since Hypercard first appeared on the market.
> On first glance rapid educational development using xTalk seemed the way to
> go.  But what I found at least was that from scratch development of useful
> educational applications could take months.  Part of the problem ( and there
> are many others besides is that higher order development tools were not
> available ) To build these was very time consuming. Now if you are an
> instructor at any level time is not a commodity that is available in great
> supply.  I started working on preceptortools  back in the late 80's. While
> it was never a commercial success I think that some of the ideas still have
> merit.
>
> If you have never looked at it you are welcome to do so by going to my
> website which is still up and running. http://www.messimercomputing.com
>
> I would welcome the opportunity to participate in a dialog regarding methods
> of improving the usability of development environments for educational
> purposes.
>
> Regards,
>
> Steve Messimer, PA
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sun Dec 12 15:34:30 2004
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 12:34:30 -0800
Subject: Sexuality and Runtime Revolution
In-Reply-To: <F2357FDC-4C68-11D9-A2AA-000A95743F7A@earthlink.net>
References: <F2357FDC-4C68-11D9-A2AA-000A95743F7A@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <011001759.20041212123430@ahsoftware.net>

Mark-

Sunday, December 12, 2004, 10:09:20 AM, you wrote:

MB> feeding the trolls... 25cents a post

Not exactly, just joining Richmond in the fun. I'm sure he didn't
intend anyone to take that posting seriously.

Well, mostly sure he didn't.

Actually, I don't really know what prompted him to do that. More heavy
meditation?

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sun Dec 12 15:35:55 2004
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 12:35:55 -0800
Subject: Sexuality and Runtime Revolution
In-Reply-To: <011001759.20041212123430@ahsoftware.net>
References: <F2357FDC-4C68-11D9-A2AA-000A95743F7A@earthlink.net>
 <011001759.20041212123430@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <2311086501.20041212123555@ahsoftware.net>

MW> Actually, I don't really know what prompted him to do that. More heavy
MW> meditation?

...sorry ...make that "medication"...

-- 
-Mark
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Sun Dec 12 15:36:01 2004
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 12:36:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Sexuality and Runtime Revolution
In-Reply-To: <BDE1F520.6937%bill@bluewatermaritime.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0412121235450.22339-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

You never know with higher ed these days.

Sigh...

Judy

On Sun, 12 Dec 2004, Bill wrote:

> I agree with Andre. This could well be a serious college curriculum.
> Although the sexist comments about the professor's secretary would surely
> get him fired (perhaps he is tenured) at the least he will be suffering some
> serious suing.
>
>
> On 12/12/04 10:51 AM, "Magnus Hippolyte Batavia" <magnus at mail.maclaunch.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Here at Carthage College we are wanting lecturer to give
> > course on sexuality of Runtime Revolution (when I say
> > "mousedown" to my secretary Melanie, she has spontaneous
> > filing problems). Here at Carthage College in Coyote,
> > Wyoming, we are at the center of the community and want
> > people to feel attracted by programming: and Runtime
> > Revolution is very sexual. So we are wanting lecturer with
> > PhD to come to our College and give lectures on said
> > subject and real live demonstrations. Our program chief, Dr
> > Bhatt, has written Transcript program to remote control
> > vibrator; but stupid students want to study Buddhism.
> >
> > Melanie says she prefers me to do her in lunch break; not
> > attending courses on programming - but she is stupid
> > person; only good for filing.
> >
> > Magnus  Hippolyte Batavia, PhD, DSc, Sarvabhauma
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------
> > The Think Different Store
> > http://www.thinkdifferentstore.com/
> > For All Your Mac Gear
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-revolution mailing list
> > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> >
> >
>
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From gwalias-rev at yahoo.com  Sun Dec 12 15:41:33 2004
From: gwalias-rev at yahoo.com (Gordon)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 12:41:33 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Creating a catch-all for unknown handlers
In-Reply-To: <3110717801.20041212122946@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <20041212204133.28863.qmail@web51108.mail.yahoo.com>

Dear Revolutionaries

Is this feasible or just a crazy notion ...?

Is there a way to create a catch-all backscript that
would catch any "unknown handler" error and then look
through a list of e.g. custom properties to see if it
could be evaluated, and then returning the value.

This would make it possible to create custom
properties with names like client.address.zip and then
just use them in your code where a handler would
normally be.

E.g. instead of writing:

getGlobal

=====
:::::::::: Gordon Webster ::::::::::

From gwalias-rev at yahoo.com  Sun Dec 12 15:44:52 2004
From: gwalias-rev at yahoo.com (Gordon)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 12:44:52 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Creating a catch-all for unknown handlers
In-Reply-To: <3110717801.20041212122946@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <20041212204452.88773.qmail@web51110.mail.yahoo.com>

Dear Revolutionaries

Is this feasible or just a crazy notion ...?

Is there a way to create a catch-all backscript that
would catch any "unknown handler" error and then look
through a list of e.g. custom properties to see if it
could be evaluated, and then returning the value.

This would make it possible to create custom
properties with names like client.address.zip and then
just use them in your code where a handler or a
function would normally be.

e.g. instead of writing:

  put getGlobal("client.address.zip") into myDatabase

you could use:

   put client.address.zip into myDatabase

catching the thrown error and looking for this name in
a list of customproperties that would be globally
available within the program.

Best

Gordon


From katir at hindu.org  Sun Dec 12 15:47:20 2004
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 10:47:20 -1000
Subject: OT: Postgresql Docs for your hard drive
Message-ID: <04D2B83A-4C7F-11D9-998F-000A959D0AC6@hindu.org>

Aloha,

[darma, london: trash the last postgresql docs from xCalibre site.. 
they are 2 years old and these are the latest from postgresql.org for 
7.4 and there is a *lot* more info here]

In case anyone is interested in putting a copy of the entire Postgresql 
docs (7.4) on their hard drive... I *think* my spider got all the 
pages...

go to http://www.himalayanacademy.com/outgoing/postgresql/

and download "Download Site Spider.rev.zip"

[excuse the very rough UI which is a typical in house RAD thing where I 
put together something in a few minutes to get a specific job done...)

click on the button "export all to disk" and create a new folder and 
save the docs (over 500 files!)

thescripts in here are open source, so for newbies... I don't consider 
myself anything of an expert (the wizards on this list generally show 
me a better way to do just about anything I can cook up. ;-) but you 
might from some interesting stuff in there.  caveat: the URL root stem 
for the site being crawled and downloaded is hard coded into the script 
of "Parse TOC"

Once you have them downloaded, load the "index.html" into your browser 
and it will run the documentation locally. All href's have been change 
to local.



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sun Dec 12 16:18:16 2004
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 13:18:16 -0800
Subject: Ins and outs
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0412121229570.22339-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0412121229570.22339-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
Message-ID: <41BCB598.8060305@fourthworld.com>

Judy Perry wrote:
 > Richard, what is the possibility of either a separately-sanctioned
 > Yahoo discussion group or the merging of the improve-docs thread
 > along with an improve-UI thread for the existing group?
 >
 >
 > I am quite certain that all the real geeks have long since tired  of
 > reading our comments/rants/other regarding the usability of
 > Rev/Dreamcard.
 >
 > Perhaps if comments similar to those which have been offered on the
 > improve-docs group could be offered up and backed up with sound
 > research or reasoning, the company would be willing to take a look?

I think that's an excellent idea.

I just added a summary of current Transcript-related lists to my Rev 
page: <http://www.fourthworld.com/rev/>

I'd be happy to add a new group to that list, or as you suggest it might 
be worthwhile integrating that discussion into the RevDocs list.  The 
RevDocs discussion is rather sparse these days, and the two issues -- 
documentation and learnability -- are closely related.

You might run the idea by the othes on the RevDocs list to see if there 
are any objections, but expanding the discussion there gets my vote.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  __________________________________________________
  Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev

From rev at armbase.com  Sun Dec 12 16:54:17 2004
From: rev at armbase.com (Bob Hartley)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 21:54:17 +0000
Subject: forum
In-Reply-To: <DCE58C24-4C47-11D9-B496-0003936D012E@mac.com>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041212131502.019aeb90@mail.armbase.com>
 <DCE58C24-4C47-11D9-B496-0003936D012E@mac.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041212214454.019a4e88@mail.armbase.com>

At 14:12 12/12/2004, you wrote:

>On Dec 12, 2004, at 11:19 AM, Bob Hartley wrote:
>
>>Hi All
>>
>>I've yet again been trawling the google search for a hint on a runrev 
>>topic (I cant get it in the video tutorials at the moment because I have 
>>not bought the video tutorials yet, only just bought studio).
>>
>>Anyway. I develop for palmOS and the IDE I use is supported via a BBS.
>>
>>Is there any chance of this thing being used instead of a list. I think 
>>it is far superior.
>
>Bob,
>
>This is list is the superior thing!!! ask something, we will answer!!!! my 
>answer will take sometime for i've got a broken arm. One thing you might 
>want is archivesearch plugin made by mark, it will help you search old 
>threads....


Hi Andre and others.
I'm not getting at the list people but was looking at a better way of 
searching the list, rather than a google search and clicking on the next 
link etc. Doing a search, on google, I couldn't find a post that I knew was 
there. I downloaded the archive search but it doesn't seem to run on my 
machine. I'll try it again.

I would like you all to know I appreciate help on the list but I don't want 
to bother you all the time when a search of the documentation or archive 
would give the answer. I just don't seem to be able to find anything on the 
helpfile (because it is so comprehensive and I'm a novice) or find google 
list searching as good as other forums. Not a criticism of the list people 
in any way.


cheers
bob

>cheers
>andre
>
>
>
>
>>
>>see
>>http://www.pdatnutsandbolts.com/
>>
>>All the best
>>Bob
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>use-revolution mailing list
>>use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>>http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>>
>--
>Andre Alves Garzia ? 2004
>Soap Dog Studios - BRAZIL
>http://studio.soapdog.org
>
>_______________________________________________
>use-revolution mailing list
>use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution


From rev at armbase.com  Sun Dec 12 16:58:28 2004
From: rev at armbase.com (Bob Hartley)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 21:58:28 +0000
Subject: The question was Re: forum
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20041212150030.02944c70@mail.tweedly.net>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041212131502.019aeb90@mail.armbase.com>
 <5.1.0.14.0.20041212150030.02944c70@mail.tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041212215507.0199ba60@mail.armbase.com>

At 15:07 12/12/2004, you wrote:
>So - what's your question Bob ?


Hi Alex. I want to call a stack from a standalone but I'm stuck right at 
the begining.

All I want to make is a simple card database, have a new card created when 
I ad a new entry (naturally) and have this saved. I realise that the way to 
do this would be to have a template.rev file, then have the standalone 
launch this no startup.

Even a one field card would get me started.

Ironically this is for my beginners database series nas I cant even do it 
myself (been away from rev for too long)

Cheers
Bob


>-- Alex.


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sun Dec 12 16:57:07 2004
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 13:57:07 -0800
Subject: forum
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20041212214454.019a4e88@mail.armbase.com>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041212131502.019aeb90@mail.armbase.com>
	<DCE58C24-4C47-11D9-B496-0003936D012E@mac.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20041212214454.019a4e88@mail.armbase.com>
Message-ID: <41BCBEB3.8050206@fourthworld.com>

Bob Hartley wrote:
> I just don't seem to be able to find 
> anything on the helpfile (because it is so comprehensive and I'm a 
> novice) or find google list searching as good as other forums. 

Google's search technology generally provides more flexibility than is 
possible with the less robust technology driving most forums.

Could I trouble you for an example of a search with Google that failed 
to turn up a post you were looking for?  We may be looking at an 
indexing problem or some other issue with Google that is correctable.

Thanks in advance -

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  __________________________________________________
  Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev

From rev at armbase.com  Sun Dec 12 17:06:40 2004
From: rev at armbase.com (Bob Hartley)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 22:06:40 +0000
Subject: forum
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041212220538.0199b918@mail.armbase.com>

Got the Search app from Mark to work (previous download was only the 1st 
20K) and it looks pretty neat.

Thanks

Bob


From dsc at swcp.com  Sun Dec 12 17:04:10 2004
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 15:04:10 -0700
Subject: parsing comments in scripts
In-Reply-To: <3110717801.20041212122946@ahsoftware.net>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20041211192048.029d10f0@mail.tweedly.net>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20041211121614.02947e70@mail.tweedly.net>
	<1453581479.20041210122823@ahsoftware.net>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20041210124601.028c9158@mail.tweedly.net>
	<a0611043cbddf506a3e6d@[141.89.100.235]>
	<1453581479.20041210122823@ahsoftware.net>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20041211121614.02947e70@mail.tweedly.net>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20041211192048.029d10f0@mail.tweedly.net>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20041212121039.029bedb8@mail.tweedly.net>
	<1812696437.20041212101605@ahsoftware.net>
	<221899F0-4C6D-11D9-AED8-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
	<3110717801.20041212122946@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <C07951CF-4C89-11D9-AED8-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>


On Dec 12, 2004, at 1:29 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:

> DS> The feature is a by-product of the compiler ignoring top level 
> lines
> DS> that are not top level constructs or commands in Transcript.
>
> Ah - so this "feature" is actually tied into your postings about junk
> in scripts?

Yes.

And it also ties to recent discussion on parsing scripts.  Should a 
preprocessor allow for uncommented junk at the top level, or should it 
assume a clean script?

Dar

****************************************
     Dar Scott Consulting
     http://www.swcp.com/dsc/
     Programming Services
****************************************


From padawer at mindspring.com  Sun Dec 12 17:09:09 2004
From: padawer at mindspring.com (Randy Padawer)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 15:09:09 -0700
Subject: help need to "read from file until xxxx OR yyyy OR zzzz"
In-Reply-To: <20041211165442.165BA930109@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20041211165442.165BA930109@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <p06200700bde2197d5458@[192.168.0.9]>

Hi, I would appreciate any help anyone may offer. Let's say a text 
file occasionally includes the words dogs, cats, and fleas. I need to 
"read until" any of these words without skipping any. I tried the 
following instruction, but of course that doesn't work:

open file FileName
     repeat
         read file FileName until "dogs" or "cats" or "fleas"
         -- (do something with it in found order)
     if it is empty then exit repeat
close file FileName

Unfortunately though, so far as I can tell, this script as-is 
(obviously so wrong) reads in the whole file and doesn't stop on any 
of the words.

I played with the "seek to"  command but that requires a number 
afterward... otherwise I would "seek to" all three of the keywords in 
question and then "read to" whichever came soonest and then repeat.

Can anybody point the way? Thanks again,

Randy

From sarahr at genesearch.com.au  Sun Dec 12 17:10:50 2004
From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 08:10:50 +1000
Subject: Making a Rev-built app hoist itself to the foreground
In-Reply-To: <6C72D9B4-4C72-11D9-AC30-000A95A872D6@inspiredlogic.com>
References: <6C72D9B4-4C72-11D9-AC30-000A95A872D6@inspiredlogic.com>
Message-ID: <AEED5658-4C8A-11D9-BB76-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au>

> Is there a simple way I'm missing to create a Revolution app that, 
> when called from the command line (and thus starts in the background) 
> hoist itself to the foreground to be in front of the user? I'm looking 
> for the cross platform transcript equivalent of AppleScript's 
> "activate"
>
I wonder what happens if you set the relevant window to be a 
systemWindow and then set it back again? Presumably it would come to 
the front when set to systemWindow, but will it stay there?

Just an idea,
Sarah


From rev at armbase.com  Sun Dec 12 17:27:11 2004
From: rev at armbase.com (Bob Hartley)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 22:27:11 +0000
Subject: forum
In-Reply-To: <41BCBEB3.8050206@fourthworld.com>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041212131502.019aeb90@mail.armbase.com>
 <DCE58C24-4C47-11D9-B496-0003936D012E@mac.com>
 <6.1.2.0.0.20041212214454.019a4e88@mail.armbase.com>
 <41BCBEB3.8050206@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041212221640.01aeabe0@mail.armbase.com>

At 21:57 12/12/2004, you wrote:
>Bob Hartley wrote:
>>I just don't seem to be able to find anything on the helpfile (because it 
>>is so comprehensive and I'm a novice) or find google list searching as 
>>good as other forums.
>
>Google's search technology generally provides more flexibility than is 
>possible with the less robust technology driving most forums.


I too think google is great and I certainly use scholar.google.com all the 
time. I was just trying to search for a post that I knew I had participated 
in (on another machine). I couldn't see a way to search for author.


>Could I trouble you for an example of a search with Google that failed to 
>turn up a post you were looking for?  We may be looking at an indexing 
>problem or some other issue with Google that is correctable.

It is not an indexing fault, it is just that I don't find it intuitive to 
search web-page after webpage for one post. I know what the answer to my 
problem is.

Download all the mails to my HD and use my mail programme to search for 
posts. I can also change my mail prefs in my work machines to not delete 
from server. I'm going back to try and get this app started.

I'll mail you all if I can't find an answer after searching the google or 
archive search way.

Cheers
Bob


>Thanks in advance -
>
>--
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World Media Corporation
>  __________________________________________________
>  Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev
>_______________________________________________
>use-revolution mailing list
>use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution


From dsc at swcp.com  Sun Dec 12 17:26:48 2004
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 15:26:48 -0700
Subject: help need to "read from file until xxxx OR yyyy OR zzzz"
In-Reply-To: <p06200700bde2197d5458@[192.168.0.9]>
References: <20041211165442.165BA930109@mail.runrev.com>
	<p06200700bde2197d5458@[192.168.0.9]>
Message-ID: <E9B9F397-4C8C-11D9-AED8-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>


On Dec 12, 2004, at 3:09 PM, Randy Padawer wrote:

> Let's say a text file occasionally includes the words dogs, cats, and 
> fleas. I need to "read until" any of these words without skipping any.

Unless the file is huge, read it in in one piece with the URL method.

Then repeatedly parse it with matchText or matchChunk.  Match with a 
pattern includes what you want and also allows you to obtain the rest 
of the data for processing more.  I'm guessing that the pattern you 
want includes the front of the string, a bunch of characters, and then 
either one of the words.  The rest is everything after that.  If you 
need help with the regex pattern, just ask.

It would be nice to give a char # offset to matchText or matchChunk, 
but I don't know how.

Dar
****************************************
     Dar Scott Consulting
     http://www.swcp.com/dsc/
     Programming Services
****************************************


From heather at runrev.com  Sun Dec 12 17:27:35 2004
From: heather at runrev.com (Heather Nagey)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 22:27:35 +0000
Subject: Sexuality and Runtime Revolution
In-Reply-To: <20041212191208.2D542930067@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BDE27657.32EBE%heather@runrev.com>

> Hey guys. I'd be really, really surprised if this isn't bogus--not to
> mention highly offensive.

Folks, I'm sorry I didn't catch this sooner - was on the road and out of
contact for most of the day.

This is clearly a bogus mail, and will not be tolerated. The person
concerned will be put on strict moderation or banned from the list - I'm not
yet sure which.

Regards,

Heather
-- 

** For a faster response to all licensing, support, and technical issues,
please now send mail to support at runrev.com **

Heather Nagey ~ heather at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/
Runtime Revolution - User-Centric Development Tools
Tel +44 (0) 870 747 1165 Fax +44 (0) 845 4588487
~~~ Check our web site for new Revolution editions & special offers ~~~


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Sun Dec 12 17:28:57 2004
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 16:28:57 -0600
Subject: help need to "read from file until xxxx OR yyyy OR zzzz"
In-Reply-To: <p06200700bde2197d5458@[192.168.0.9]>
Message-ID: <BDE22249.AD6E%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 12/12/04 4:09 PM, "Randy Padawer" <padawer at mindspring.com> wrote:

> Hi, I would appreciate any help anyone may offer. Let's say a text
> file occasionally includes the words dogs, cats, and fleas. I need to
> "read until" any of these words without skipping any.

Is there some reason you don't want to read the entire file into a variable
and then work with the data from there?

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From sarahr at genesearch.com.au  Sun Dec 12 17:38:14 2004
From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 08:38:14 +1000
Subject: simple applescript?
In-Reply-To: <41B9745F.5060608@chipp.com>
References: <41B9745F.5060608@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <827925C0-4C8E-11D9-BB76-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au>

Hi Chipp,

As others have said, you need to include the word "file" or "alias" 
before the file path in your AppleScript. Also, AppleScript file paths 
are different to the Unix style paths used by Rev. e.g. for the same 
test file, AppleScript gives me this path  "Sarah 
HD:Users:sarah:Desktop:test.txt" and Rev gives me this: 
"/Users/sarah/Desktop/test.txt
", with the crucial difference being that one path includes the hard 
disk name and the other doesn't. To convert from one to the other, you 
can use the AppleScript POSIX file description, but the easiest way is 
to use the revMacFromUnixPath function.

Editing your script, I get:

on mouseUp
   answer file ""
   if it is empty then exit to top
   put revMacFromUnixPath(it) into pPDFpath

   put "tell application " &quote& "Finder" & quote & cr into tScript
   put "set the file type of alias " &quote& pPDFpath &quote& \
       " to " &quote& "PDF " &quote& cr after tScript
   put "end tell" after tScript

   do tScript as Applescript
   put the result into sError
end mouseUp

Cheers,
Sarah

On 10 Dec 2004, at 8:05 pm, Chipp Walters wrote:

> on mouseUp
>   answer file ""
>   if it is empty then exit to top
>   put it into pPDFpath
>   replace "/" with ":" in pPDFpath
>   if char 1 of pPDFpath is ":" then delete char 1 of pPDFpath
>   put "tell application " &quote& "Finder" & quote & cr into tScript
>   put "set the file type of " &quote& pPDFpath &quote& \
>         " to " &quote& "PDF " &quote& cr after tScript
>   put "end tell" after tScript
>   do tScript as Applescript
>   put the result into sError
> end mouseUp


From soapdog at mac.com  Sun Dec 12 17:39:00 2004
From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 20:39:00 -0200
Subject: The question was Re: forum
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20041212215507.0199ba60@mail.armbase.com>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041212131502.019aeb90@mail.armbase.com>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20041212150030.02944c70@mail.tweedly.net>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20041212215507.0199ba60@mail.armbase.com>
Message-ID: <9E42E446-4C8E-11D9-B496-0003936D012E@mac.com>


On Dec 12, 2004, at 7:58 PM, Bob Hartley wrote:

> Hi Alex. I want to call a stack from a standalone but I'm stuck right 
> at the begining.
>


yeah! I'll answer that first with only one hand!!!! use the:

  go stack URL "file:/yourFolder/yourStack.rev"

look for go in the docs....

cheers
andre



-- 
Andre Alves Garzia ? 2004
Soap Dog Studios - BRAZIL
http://studio.soapdog.org


From sarahr at genesearch.com.au  Sun Dec 12 17:39:38 2004
From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 08:39:38 +1000
Subject: [OT] young developer
In-Reply-To: <20041210115842.51788.qmail@web60502.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20041210115842.51788.qmail@web60502.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <B4F2D06C-4C8E-11D9-BB76-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au>

>> Anyone who wants to have a look can go to
>> <http://www.troz.net/jacksgames/>. I'm sure he would
>> welcome any
>> feedback.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Sarah
>>
>
> Hi Sarah,
>
> Never announce that sort of thing while I'm having
> breakfast : I was almost late for work, trying to
> defeat that puny Jedi !
> Nice job ; one remark though : in the version with
> music, if you close the window, the exe doesn't quit
> and the music keeps playing.
>
> Jan Schenkel.
>
Thanks Jan,

Jack was thrilled to hear that someone was actually playing his game!
He's fixed the music thing now.

Cheers,
Sarah


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Sun Dec 12 17:41:23 2004
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 16:41:23 -0600
Subject: Creating a catch-all for unknown handlers
In-Reply-To: <20041212204133.28863.qmail@web51108.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BDE22533.AD72%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 12/12/04 2:41 PM, "Gordon" <gwalias-rev at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Dear Revolutionaries
> 
> Is this feasible or just a crazy notion ...?
> 
> Is there a way to create a catch-all backscript that
> would catch any "unknown handler" error and then look
> through a list of e.g. custom properties to see if it
> could be evaluated, and then returning the value.
> 

> This would make it possible to create custom
> properties with names like client.address.zip and then
> just use them in your code where a handler would
> normally be.

Well, you can do this now:

  set the client.address.zip of this stack to "90034"

(later:)

  put the client.address.zip of this stack
  --> 90034


Does this not do what you want?

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From rev at armbase.com  Sun Dec 12 17:58:22 2004
From: rev at armbase.com (Bob Hartley)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 22:58:22 +0000
Subject: opening stack from subfolder
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041212224343.01b48840@mail.armbase.com>

Hi All

I'm finally getting there.

OK I can call an external stack from a standalone.

i used a button in a stabndalone (called start.exe) with the script
on mouseUp
   go to stack test.rev
end mouseUp

to open a stack called test.rev

This works when test.rev is in the same folder as start.exe, however, when 
I put test.rev in a folde called "bits" and use the script
on mouseUp
   go to stack bits\test.rev
end mouseUp
or
on mouseUp
   go to stack bits/test.rev
end mouseUp

The test.rev file is not opend by the standalone.

How do I get it to open this file.

Cheers
Bob  


From soapdog at mac.com  Sun Dec 12 17:59:03 2004
From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 20:59:03 -0200
Subject: opening stack from subfolder
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20041212224343.01b48840@mail.armbase.com>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041212224343.01b48840@mail.armbase.com>
Message-ID: <6AFAD0DC-4C91-11D9-B496-0003936D012E@mac.com>

Bob,

try:

go stack URL "file:bits/test.rev"


Andre
PS: andre is not a code snipet!


On Dec 12, 2004, at 8:58 PM, Bob Hartley wrote:

> Hi All
>
> I'm finally getting there.
>
> OK I can call an external stack from a standalone.
>
> i used a button in a stabndalone (called start.exe) with the script
> on mouseUp
>   go to stack test.rev
> end mouseUp
>
> to open a stack called test.rev
>
> This works when test.rev is in the same folder as start.exe, however, 
> when I put test.rev in a folde called "bits" and use the script
> on mouseUp
>   go to stack bits\test.rev
> end mouseUp
> or
> on mouseUp
>   go to stack bits/test.rev
> end mouseUp
>
> The test.rev file is not opend by the standalone.
>
> How do I get it to open this file.
>
> Cheers
> Bob
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
>
-- 
Andre Alves Garzia ? 2004
Soap Dog Studios - BRAZIL
http://studio.soapdog.org


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sun Dec 12 17:59:48 2004
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 14:59:48 -0800
Subject: Creating a catch-all for unknown handlers
In-Reply-To: <BDE22533.AD72%kray@sonsothunder.com>
References: <BDE22533.AD72%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <41BCCD64.1030304@fourthworld.com>

Ken Ray wrote:
> On 12/12/04 2:41 PM, "Gordon" <gwalias-rev at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>>Dear Revolutionaries
>>
>>Is this feasible or just a crazy notion ...?
>>
>>Is there a way to create a catch-all backscript that
>>would catch any "unknown handler" error and then look
>>through a list of e.g. custom properties to see if it
>>could be evaluated, and then returning the value.
>>
> 
> 
>>This would make it possible to create custom
>>properties with names like client.address.zip and then
>>just use them in your code where a handler would
>>normally be.
> 
> 
> Well, you can do this now:
> 
>   set the client.address.zip of this stack to "90034"
> 
> (later:)
> 
>   put the client.address.zip of this stack
>   --> 90034
> 
> 
> Does this not do what you want?

That's perfectly valid syntax, but Scott Raney advised me against using 
dot notation in property and handler names in anticipation of future 
exhancements which may support OOP syntax.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com

From alex at tweedly.net  Sun Dec 12 18:05:14 2004
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 23:05:14 +0000
Subject: Creating a catch-all for unknown handlers
In-Reply-To: <BDE22533.AD72%kray@sonsothunder.com>
References: <20041212204133.28863.qmail@web51108.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20041212230054.02b3e008@mail.tweedly.net>

At 16:41 12/12/2004 -0600, Ken Ray wrote:

>Well, you can do this now:
>
>   set the client.address.zip of this stack to "90034"
>
>(later:)
>
>   put the client.address.zip of this stack
>   --> 90034
>
>
>Does this not do what you want?

Very nearly but not quite - Gordon's first email on a related thread was 
about providing and using this in a library stack - so presumably these 
values should be retrievable from any stack within a multi-stack 
application.  Make the tiny change to

>   set the client.address.zip of stack "everywhere" to "90034"

where "everywhere" is the name of the library stack, where other stacks 
must first "start using" it, and that should be what is needed.

-- Alex.

From rev at armbase.com  Sun Dec 12 18:08:19 2004
From: rev at armbase.com (Bob Hartley)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 23:08:19 +0000
Subject: The question was Re: forum
In-Reply-To: <9E42E446-4C8E-11D9-B496-0003936D012E@mac.com>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041212131502.019aeb90@mail.armbase.com>
 <5.1.0.14.0.20041212150030.02944c70@mail.tweedly.net>
 <6.1.2.0.0.20041212215507.0199ba60@mail.armbase.com>
 <9E42E446-4C8E-11D9-B496-0003936D012E@mac.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041212230419.01ae2870@mail.armbase.com>

At 22:39 12/12/2004, you wrote:

>On Dec 12, 2004, at 7:58 PM, Bob Hartley wrote:
>
>>Hi Alex. I want to call a stack from a standalone but I'm stuck right at 
>>the begining.
>
>
>yeah! I'll answer that first with only one hand!!!! use the:
>
>  go stack URL "file:/yourFolder/yourStack.rev"
>
>look for go in the docs....


Hi Andre

I found go in the docs and used
on mouseUp
   go to stack test.rev
end mouseUp


Thsi is ok as long as it is in the same folder but in a subfolder "bits" it 
wont open.
I tried modifying your URL suggestion
  go stack URL "file:/bits/test.rev" but the file wont open in the standalone.

I'll spend more time on it tomorrow.

Thanks for the help.

Hope your arm gets better soon.



>cheers
>andre
>
>
>
>--
>Andre Alves Garzia ? 2004
>Soap Dog Studios - BRAZIL
>http://studio.soapdog.org
>
>_______________________________________________
>use-revolution mailing list
>use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution


From bvg at mac.com  Sun Dec 12 18:03:30 2004
From: bvg at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 00:03:30 +0100
Subject: opening stack from subfolder
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20041212224343.01b48840@mail.armbase.com>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041212224343.01b48840@mail.armbase.com>
Message-ID: <0A1D5BA7-4C92-11D9-8AF4-000D932AE9E0@mac.com>


On Dec 12 2004, at 23:58, Bob Hartley wrote:

> ...
> on mouseUp
>   go to stack bits/test.rev
> end mouseUp
>
> The test.rev file is not opend by the standalone.
>
> How do I get it to open this file.
> ...

try
on mouseUp
  go to stack "bits/test.rev"
end mouseUp

It's always a good idea to quote strings,

hope that helped!

Bjoernke

<>()<>()<>()<>()<>()<>()<>()<>()<>()<>()<>

official ChatRev page:
http://chatrev.cjb.net:8080

Chat with other RunRev developers:
go stack URL "http://homepage.mac.com/bvg/chatrev1.2.5.rev"


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sun Dec 12 18:09:32 2004
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 15:09:32 -0800
Subject: opening stack from subfolder
In-Reply-To: <6AFAD0DC-4C91-11D9-B496-0003936D012E@mac.com>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041212224343.01b48840@mail.armbase.com>
	<6AFAD0DC-4C91-11D9-B496-0003936D012E@mac.com>
Message-ID: <41BCCFAC.5090600@fourthworld.com>

Andre Garzia wrote:
 > On Dec 12, 2004, at 8:58 PM, Bob Hartley wrote:
 >
 >> Hi All
 >>
 >> I'm finally getting there.
 >>
 >> OK I can call an external stack from a standalone.
 >>
 >> i used a button in a stabndalone (called start.exe) with the script
 >> on mouseUp
 >>   go to stack test.rev
 >> end mouseUp
 >>
 >> to open a stack called test.rev
 >>
 >> This works when test.rev is in the same folder as start.exe, however,
 >> when I put test.rev in a folde called "bits" and use the script
 >> on mouseUp
 >>   go to stack bits\test.rev
 >> end mouseUp
 >> or
 >> on mouseUp
 >>   go to stack bits/test.rev
 >> end mouseUp
 >>
 >> The test.rev file is not opend by the standalone.

What is the value of "the result" immediately after attempting to open 
the file?

 > try:
 >
 > go stack URL "file:bits/test.rev"

Bob may want to use "binfile" instead of "file", as the latter will 
convert line endings which may invalidate the binary stack data.

Also, the two forms of opening stacks accomplish different things: 
using the URL form copies it into RAM in a way that disassociates its 
file name.  If the stack is to be discarded or have some other file name 
assigned to it that will be fine, but if I understand this correctly 
attempting to use "save" on a stack opened with "go URL" will put an 
error in the result.

Bob, I would put the stack path in quotes to be safe.  Or perhaps 
simpler, make an entry in the main stack's stackFiles property for this 
other stack file:

   myStack,bits/test.rev

...where MyStack is the name of the stack object in that stack file.
Then you can use the short form:

   go stack myStack


-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From soapdog at mac.com  Sun Dec 12 18:09:45 2004
From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 21:09:45 -0200
Subject: The question was Re: forum
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20041212230419.01ae2870@mail.armbase.com>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041212131502.019aeb90@mail.armbase.com>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20041212150030.02944c70@mail.tweedly.net>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20041212215507.0199ba60@mail.armbase.com>
	<9E42E446-4C8E-11D9-B496-0003936D012E@mac.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20041212230419.01ae2870@mail.armbase.com>
Message-ID: <E9BD24E3-4C92-11D9-B496-0003936D012E@mac.com>

anyone know if this require libURL?

andre

On Dec 12, 2004, at 9:08 PM, Bob Hartley wrote:

> Thsi is ok as long as it is in the same folder but in a subfolder 
> "bits" it wont open.
> I tried modifying your URL suggestion
>  go stack URL "file:/bits/test.rev" but the file wont open in the 
> standalone.
>
> I'll spend more time on it tomorrow.
>
> Thanks for the help.
>
> Hope your arm gets better soon.
>
-- 
Andre Alves Garzia ? 2004 ? BRAZIL
http://studio.soapdog.org


From rev at armbase.com  Sun Dec 12 18:17:57 2004
From: rev at armbase.com (Bob Hartley)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 23:17:57 +0000
Subject: opening stack from subfolder
In-Reply-To: <6AFAD0DC-4C91-11D9-B496-0003936D012E@mac.com>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041212224343.01b48840@mail.armbase.com>
 <6AFAD0DC-4C91-11D9-B496-0003936D012E@mac.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041212231438.01b04248@mail.armbase.com>

At 22:59 12/12/2004, you wrote:
>Bob,


Hi Andre and Bjoernke

I used
on mouseUp
  go to stack "bits/test.rev"
end mouseUp

It is perfect now


>Andre
>PS: andre is not a code snipet!

I'm sorry I don't understand.





Thanks for the help in this very simple request. I can now get to designing 
the real app. I really appreciate it.

All the best
Bob; Sunny Scotland





From alex at tweedly.net  Sun Dec 12 18:19:43 2004
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 23:19:43 +0000
Subject: help need to "read from file until xxxx OR yyyy OR zzzz"
In-Reply-To: <E9B9F397-4C8C-11D9-AED8-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
References: <p06200700bde2197d5458@[192.168.0.9]>
 <20041211165442.165BA930109@mail.runrev.com>
 <p06200700bde2197d5458@[192.168.0.9]>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20041212231004.02b43a70@mail.tweedly.net>

At 15:26 12/12/2004 -0700, Dar Scott wrote:


>On Dec 12, 2004, at 3:09 PM, Randy Padawer wrote:
>
>>Let's say a text file occasionally includes the words dogs, cats, and 
>>fleas. I need to "read until" any of these words without skipping any.
>
>Unless the file is huge, read it in in one piece with the URL method.
>
>Then repeatedly parse it with matchText or matchChunk.  Match with a 
>pattern includes what you want and also allows you to obtain the rest of 
>the data for processing more.  I'm guessing that the pattern you want 
>includes the front of the string, a bunch of characters, and then either 
>one of the words.  The rest is everything after that.  If you need help 
>with the regex pattern, just ask.
>
>It would be nice to give a char # offset to matchText or matchChunk, but I 
>don't know how.

Can't you just do
  matchText(char currOffset to -1 of theString, tRegEx, tVars)

Or, if that won't work,
   put "." & currOffset & tRegEx into tempRegEx
   matchText(theString, tempRegEx, tVars)
(so the first match is the .N where N is the offset ) ?
(Ugly, but I've seen something like this used before in Perl, where 
ugliness seemed natural :-)

-- Alex.

From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sun Dec 12 18:56:53 2004
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 15:56:53 -0800
Subject: parsing comments in scripts
In-Reply-To: <C07951CF-4C89-11D9-AED8-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20041211192048.029d10f0@mail.tweedly.net>
 <5.1.0.14.0.20041211121614.02947e70@mail.tweedly.net>
 <1453581479.20041210122823@ahsoftware.net>
 <5.1.0.14.0.20041210124601.028c9158@mail.tweedly.net>
 <a0611043cbddf506a3e6d@[141.89.100.235]>
 <1453581479.20041210122823@ahsoftware.net>
 <5.1.0.14.0.20041211121614.02947e70@mail.tweedly.net>
 <5.1.0.14.0.20041211192048.029d10f0@mail.tweedly.net>
 <5.1.0.14.0.20041212121039.029bedb8@mail.tweedly.net>
 <1812696437.20041212101605@ahsoftware.net>
 <221899F0-4C6D-11D9-AED8-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
 <3110717801.20041212122946@ahsoftware.net>
 <C07951CF-4C89-11D9-AED8-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <16323144890.20041212155653@ahsoftware.net>

Dar-

Sunday, December 12, 2004, 2:04:10 PM, you wrote:

DS> And it also ties to recent discussion on parsing scripts.  Should a
DS> preprocessor allow for uncommented junk at the top level, or should it
DS> assume a clean script?

Well, for my own preprocessing purposes, anything not rigorously
syntactically correct is an error. I suppose others may have differing
needs. If nobody's said it yet, let me be the first to say that I
think uncommented junk is still junk.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net


From Ms1 at soas.ac.uk  Sun Dec 12 19:10:37 2004
From: Ms1 at soas.ac.uk (Muaadh Salih)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 00:10:37 +0000
Subject: Trail version to small to read
Message-ID: <1102896637.c10088e0Ms1@soas.ac.uk>

I downloaded a limlted period (windows xp)version to try.
Tha main menu is too small and I fail to alter it.
I use to have and still have an old full version for the mac which is in a resonable size and felxible to tailor . 
While all other programms run in a readable size this version refuse to so. How can I set the menubar to fit the screen (non microscopically11)?
please help


From katir at hindu.org  Sun Dec 12 19:45:14 2004
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 14:45:14 -1000
Subject: Connecting to PostGreSQL on same machine: Mac OSX
In-Reply-To: <3524FFC4-4C71-11D9-933E-0030654C1E62@realtorsgroup.us>
References: <3524FFC4-4C71-11D9-933E-0030654C1E62@realtorsgroup.us>
Message-ID: <408B8BE0-4CA0-11D9-9486-000A959D0AC6@hindu.org>

;-( things are getting worse instead of better. Now I seemed to have 
shot myself in the foot and cannot even get the postmaster/server to 
start up at all...let alone connect with rev... OK, following all the 
advice as bes as I can and also the postgres docs....here's where i 
stand:

===========

OK first of all Pierre was correct, after initdb on installtion, the 
pg_hba file was in fact automatically installed with two client 
authenticate records as follows:

pg_hba.conf

# TYPE  DATABASE    USER        IP-ADDRESS        IP-MASK           
METHOD

local   all         all                                             
trust
# IPv4-style local connections:
host    all         all         127.0.0.1         255.255.255.255   
trust

# I infer from this that "localhost" should work automatically, 
assuming we can start the server and tcp/ip connections are allowed...

So I then edited postmaster.conf and uncommented only three lines, 
tcpip, max_connections and port....

# - Connection Settings -

tcpip_socket = true
max_connections = 50
         # note: increasing max_connections costs about 500 bytes of 
shared
         # memory per connection slot, in addition to costs from 
shared_buffers
         # and max_locks_per_transaction.
#superuser_reserved_connections = 2
port = 5432
#unix_socket_directory = ''
#unix_socket_group = ''
#unix_socket_permissions = 0777 # octal
#virtual_host = ''              # what interface to listen on; defaults 
to any
#rendezvous_name = ''           # defaults to the computer name

# - Security & Authentication -

#authentication_timeout = 60    # 1-600, in seconds
#ssl = false
#password_encryption = true
#krb_server_keyfile = ''
#db_user_namespace = false lines
(and more lines, all commented out)

========

OK, that seems to fulfill everyone's guidance... but:


katir:/usr/local/pgsql/data postgres$ pg_ctl -D /usr/local/pgsql/data 
-i -l logfile start
katir:/usr/local/pgsql/data postgres$

katir:/usr/local/pgsql/bin postgres$ ./psql katir_test

psql: could not connect to server: No such file or directory
         Is the server running locally and accepting
         connections on Unix domain socket "/tmp/.s.PGSQL.5432"?
katir:/usr/local/pgsql/bin postgres$

So, no I cannot even start up the server at all.

??

Sivakatirswami




On Dec 12, 2004, at 9:08 AM, Hershel Fisch wrote:

> Hi , in order to run thru a tcp/ip connection it has to be enabled 
> first , to do so eithre you enable the tcp/ip or you start it
> with an -I flag.
> su - postgres
> password
> postgres% "/usr/local/bin/postmaster -D /usr/local/pgsql/data ?I" ( 
> this is the -I flag you enter)
> Hershel Fisch

From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sun Dec 12 20:01:30 2004
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 17:01:30 -0800
Subject: forum
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20041212221640.01aeabe0@mail.armbase.com>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041212131502.019aeb90@mail.armbase.com>
 <DCE58C24-4C47-11D9-B496-0003936D012E@mac.com>
 <6.1.2.0.0.20041212214454.019a4e88@mail.armbase.com>
 <41BCBEB3.8050206@fourthworld.com>
 <6.1.2.0.0.20041212221640.01aeabe0@mail.armbase.com>
Message-ID: <12827021334.20041212170130@ahsoftware.net>

Bob-

Sunday, December 12, 2004, 2:27:11 PM, you wrote:

BH> I too think google is great and I certainly use scholar.google.com all the
BH> time. I was just trying to search for a post that I knew I had participated
BH> in (on another machine). I couldn't see a way to search for author.

Hint #1: put your name into the "exact phrase" field, either on Google's
advanced search page or in my plugin.

Hint #2: if you're using my plugin and you're reading a post from
someone, clicking on their name in the author field will do a new
search on the author's name.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net


From dsc at swcp.com  Sun Dec 12 20:11:44 2004
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 18:11:44 -0700
Subject: parsing comments in scripts
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20041212121039.029bedb8@mail.tweedly.net>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20041211192048.029d10f0@mail.tweedly.net>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20041211121614.02947e70@mail.tweedly.net>
	<1453581479.20041210122823@ahsoftware.net>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20041210124601.028c9158@mail.tweedly.net>
	<a0611043cbddf506a3e6d@[141.89.100.235]>
	<1453581479.20041210122823@ahsoftware.net>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20041211121614.02947e70@mail.tweedly.net>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20041211192048.029d10f0@mail.tweedly.net>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20041212121039.029bedb8@mail.tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <F45B6826-4CA3-11D9-A904-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>


On Dec 12, 2004, at 5:19 AM, Alex Tweedly wrote:

> I'd prefer if they removed the feature entirely, or as you suggested 
> used "disabled" or some such keyword rather than a comment, preceding 
> the first line of the handler.

My preference is to allow nothing at the top but but top level things, 
currently local, global, constant, on...end, function...end and 
comments.  I'm ok with 'disabled' being at that top level if the 
handler is parsed or partially parsed.

Currently, if I have a typo in funtion, then the script might compile 
without errors, but I'd be missing a function (and maybe a different 
one used) and have some constants and variables in script local that I 
didn't intend.

Dar


From dsc at swcp.com  Sun Dec 12 20:14:58 2004
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 18:14:58 -0700
Subject: help need to "read from file until xxxx OR yyyy OR zzzz"
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20041212231004.02b43a70@mail.tweedly.net>
References: <p06200700bde2197d5458@[192.168.0.9]>
	<20041211165442.165BA930109@mail.runrev.com>
	<p06200700bde2197d5458@[192.168.0.9]>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20041212231004.02b43a70@mail.tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <67F71E7C-4CA4-11D9-A904-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>


On Dec 12, 2004, at 4:19 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote:

> Can't you just do
>  matchText(char currOffset to -1 of theString, tRegEx, tVars)

Yes, but that doesn't avoid copying of the "rest" part in repeated 
matching.

>
> Or, if that won't work,
>   put "." & currOffset & tRegEx into tempRegEx
>   matchText(theString, tempRegEx, tVars)
> (so the first match is the .N where N is the offset ) ?
> (Ugly, but I've seen something like this used before in Perl, where 
> ugliness seemed natural :-)

If this is fast, then I like this kind of approach.

Dar
****************************************
     Dar Scott Consulting
     http://www.swcp.com/dsc/
     Programming Services
****************************************


From jsng at wayoflife.org  Sun Dec 12 20:04:03 2004
From: jsng at wayoflife.org (Jesse Sng)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 09:04:03 +0800
Subject: Widgets in Tiger Dashboard
In-Reply-To: <408B8BE0-4CA0-11D9-9486-000A959D0AC6@hindu.org>
References: <3524FFC4-4C71-11D9-933E-0030654C1E62@realtorsgroup.us>
 <408B8BE0-4CA0-11D9-9486-000A959D0AC6@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <p06200726bde29ab2f117@[192.168.1.101]>


Has anyone figured out whether it would be possible for Revolution to 
be used in creating Dashboard Widgets for Apple's upcoming Tiger 
operating system release?

There's a new paper that's released on how to write widgets and I'm 
wondering if someone's been thinking about it?


Jesse Sng

From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sun Dec 12 20:19:14 2004
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 17:19:14 -0800
Subject: Widgets in Tiger Dashboard
In-Reply-To: <p06200726bde29ab2f117@[192.168.1.101]>
References: <3524FFC4-4C71-11D9-933E-0030654C1E62@realtorsgroup.us>
	<408B8BE0-4CA0-11D9-9486-000A959D0AC6@hindu.org>
	<p06200726bde29ab2f117@[192.168.1.101]>
Message-ID: <41BCEE12.8000304@fourthworld.com>

Jesse Sng wrote:
> 
> Has anyone figured out whether it would be possible for Revolution to be 
> used in creating Dashboard Widgets for Apple's upcoming Tiger operating 
> system release?

If memory serves, I believe those are spec'd as JavaScript only.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  __________________________________________________
  Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev

From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Dec 12 20:22:46 2004
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 19:22:46 -0600
Subject: parsing comments in scripts
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20041212121039.029bedb8@mail.tweedly.net>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20041211192048.029d10f0@mail.tweedly.net>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20041211121614.02947e70@mail.tweedly.net>
	<1453581479.20041210122823@ahsoftware.net>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20041210124601.028c9158@mail.tweedly.net>
	<a0611043cbddf506a3e6d@[141.89.100.235]>
	<1453581479.20041210122823@ahsoftware.net>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20041211121614.02947e70@mail.tweedly.net>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20041211192048.029d10f0@mail.tweedly.net>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20041212121039.029bedb8@mail.tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <41BCEEE6.1080500@hyperactivesw.com>

On 12/12/04 6:19 AM, Alex Tweedly wrote:

> Yeah - it certainly has some difficulties. In some ways I don't care 
> whether they change the docs or the app - I just don't like them 
> disagreeing.
> 
>> It is straightforward to select the entire handler and select 
>> "Comment" from the script menu.  An alternative might be to 
>> temporarily change the spelling of the name.
> 
> 
> That's what I've always done (since I didn't know about this "feature"), 
> and what I intend to keep on doing - so I'll never (deliberately) use 
> this feature, and hopefully I will never be affected by it.

I see the point people are making, but I'd sure miss the current 
behavior if it changed. The ability to comment out an entire handler by 
commenting the first line has been in xtalk for 18 years. I have become 
dependent on it.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com

From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Dec 12 20:45:59 2004
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 19:45:59 -0600
Subject: Start Using
In-Reply-To: <20041212171035.47864.qmail@web51106.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20041212171035.47864.qmail@web51106.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <41BCF457.9000902@hyperactivesw.com>

On 12/12/04 11:10 AM, Gordon wrote:

> What's the difference between a command and a
> function- I even tried setting "setGlobal" back to a
> function and returning something, but then I got the
> old "handler not found" error again. I am confused
> about commands and functions - why are my functions
> not seen and which should I use and when?
> 

Commands and functions are almost exactly the same, except that a 
function formally returns a value. Commands can return values too, but 
don't worry about that yet. When you call a function in a script, it 
acts just like a variable. For example:

function myTime
  return the time
end myTime

Now I can use that function in a script just as though it were a variable:

   put myTime() into fld 1

I have an old essay on functions; if I can find it, I will post it here 
under its own topic heading.

> I don't mind having to pay for the rev manual, but
> couldn't they send it electronically to help users
> while they're waiting the 3-4 weeks it takes for the
> paper versions to arrive by snail mail. It's really
> hard trying to figure all this out from the
> documention window that comes with rev. It doesn't
> give any kind of overview of the Transcript language
> that one would need to understand enough to really get
> going. I am praying for my manuals to arrive a.s.a.p.

The manuals are printed versions of the online docs, and there isn't 
much difference. For an overview of transcript/stack concepts, the 
Shafer book is good. There is also quite a bit of information in the Rev 
docs if you look beyond the dictionary; try the FAQ, the object topics, etc.

About your original question regarding "in use" stacks:

When you put a stack in use, only the stack script itself gets shared. 
If your scripts are in a button or a card, putting the stack in use 
won't cause them to be "seen". There are two ways you can fix this.

The first way: put all the handlers you want to share into the script of 
the stack, not in any other place. Then when the stack is put in use, 
its stack script is available everywhere and all open stacks can use it.

The second way: insert the script of the object that has your shared 
handlers into the message hierarchy. If you are storing the handlers you 
want to share in a button script, then:

   insert script of btn "myLibScripts" of stack "mySharedStack" into back

This places the button script into the back of the message path and all 
your other scripts can use it.

Either method works. There are some subtle reasons to choose one method 
over the other, but it probably doesn't matter in this case.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com

From jsng at wayoflife.org  Sun Dec 12 21:33:14 2004
From: jsng at wayoflife.org (Jesse Sng)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 10:33:14 +0800
Subject: Widgets in Tiger Dashboard
In-Reply-To: <41BCEE12.8000304@fourthworld.com>
References: <3524FFC4-4C71-11D9-933E-0030654C1E62@realtorsgroup.us>
 <408B8BE0-4CA0-11D9-9486-000A959D0AC6@hindu.org>
 <p06200726bde29ab2f117@[192.168.1.101]> <41BCEE12.8000304@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <p06200728bde2af82d1e1@[192.168.1.101]>

>Jesse Sng wrote:
>>
>>Has anyone figured out whether it would be possible for Revolution 
>>to be used in creating Dashboard Widgets for Apple's upcoming Tiger 
>>operating system release?
>
>If memory serves, I believe those are spec'd as JavaScript only.

It is designed to work with also code bundles. The test environment 
is apparently Safari, where the stuff is invoked via some Javascript. 
But you can also have html code to specify a bundle to be loaded 
instead.

They are already talking about being able to load Shockwave 
(basically anything that can be loaded into Safari) as a widget also.


Jesse

From kray at sonsothunder.com  Sun Dec 12 21:56:56 2004
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 20:56:56 -0600
Subject: Creating a catch-all for unknown handlers
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20041212230054.02b3e008@mail.tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <BDE26118.ADB8%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 12/12/04 5:05 PM, "Alex Tweedly" <alex at tweedly.net> wrote:

>> Very nearly but not quite - Gordon's first email on a related thread was
> about providing and using this in a library stack - so presumably these
> values should be retrievable from any stack within a multi-stack
> application.  Make the tiny change to
> 
>>   set the client.address.zip of stack "everywhere" to "90034"
> 
> where "everywhere" is the name of the library stack, where other stacks
> must first "start using" it, and that should be what is needed.

True, but for a library, it might be better served by an accessor function:

put libMyLib_GetZip() into tZip


and in the library:

function libMyLib_GetZip
  return (the client.address.zip of this stack)
end libMyLib_GetZip

Of course, Richard's comments about dot notation not withstanding...

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Dec 13 00:32:37 2004
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 23:32:37 -0600
Subject: What's a function
Message-ID: <41BD2975.1000304@hyperactivesw.com>

I said elsewhere that I'd post my article about the differences between 
a function and a command handler. For anyone interested, I've put it 
online here:

<http://www.hyperactivesw.com/functions.html>

This is specifically aimed at new Transcripters, so I've tried to keep 
the jargon to a minimum and the example handlers a bit more verbose.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From dsc at swcp.com  Mon Dec 13 00:38:41 2004
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 22:38:41 -0700
Subject: parsing comments in scripts
In-Reply-To: <41BCEEE6.1080500@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20041211192048.029d10f0@mail.tweedly.net>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20041211121614.02947e70@mail.tweedly.net>
	<1453581479.20041210122823@ahsoftware.net>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20041210124601.028c9158@mail.tweedly.net>
	<a0611043cbddf506a3e6d@[141.89.100.235]>
	<1453581479.20041210122823@ahsoftware.net>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20041211121614.02947e70@mail.tweedly.net>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20041211192048.029d10f0@mail.tweedly.net>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20041212121039.029bedb8@mail.tweedly.net>
	<41BCEEE6.1080500@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <3F4879C1-4CC9-11D9-9B56-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>


On Dec 12, 2004, at 6:22 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> I see the point people are making, but I'd sure miss the current 
> behavior if it changed. The ability to comment out an entire handler 
> by commenting the first line has been in xtalk for 18 years. I have 
> become dependent on it.

As Alex pointed out, it is really only an illusion for Transcript.  It 
doesn't work.

As for Hypertalk, my copy of "Hypercard Script Language Guide: The 
HyperTalk Language" says "Statements always appear in handlers in a 
script.  Any part of a statement following HyperTalk's double-hyphen 
comment character (--) is ignored by HyperCard."  I read this as saying 
that the ability was not intended to be part of HyperCard.

I am curious if others use the technique of commenting out a handler by 
commenting out the first line.  Maybe there is a way to rescue this 
kind of thing in a clean way.

Dar

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From psahores at easynet.fr  Mon Dec 13 03:11:31 2004
From: psahores at easynet.fr (Pierre Sahores)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 09:11:31 +0100
Subject: Sexuality and Runtime Revolution
In-Reply-To: <BDE27657.32EBE%heather@runrev.com>
References: <BDE27657.32EBE%heather@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <98C27206-4CDE-11D9-9D76-000A95C61E96@easynet.fr>

Thanks Heather.

Best Regards, Pierre

Le 12 d?c. 04, ? 23:27, Heather Nagey a ?crit :

>> Hey guys. I'd be really, really surprised if this isn't bogus--not to
>> mention highly offensive.
>
> Folks, I'm sorry I didn't catch this sooner - was on the road and out 
> of
> contact for most of the day.
>
> This is clearly a bogus mail, and will not be tolerated. The person
> concerned will be put on strict moderation or banned from the list - 
> I'm not
> yet sure which.
>
> Regards,
>
> Heather
> -- 
>
> ** For a faster response to all licensing, support, and technical 
> issues,
> please now send mail to support at runrev.com **
>
> Heather Nagey ~ heather at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/
> Runtime Revolution - User-Centric Development Tools
> Tel +44 (0) 870 747 1165 Fax +44 (0) 845 4588487
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From psahores at easynet.fr  Mon Dec 13 03:20:49 2004
From: psahores at easynet.fr (Pierre Sahores)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 09:20:49 +0100
Subject: Connecting to PostGreSQL on same machine: Mac OSX
In-Reply-To: <408B8BE0-4CA0-11D9-9486-000A959D0AC6@hindu.org>
References: <3524FFC4-4C71-11D9-933E-0030654C1E62@realtorsgroup.us>
	<408B8BE0-4CA0-11D9-9486-000A959D0AC6@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <E58B0910-4CDF-11D9-9D76-000A95C61E96@easynet.fr>

Hello Katir,

If you run in troubles with the Postgres for Mac OS X installation 
process, take time to reinstall from scratch in using the Mark 
Liyanage's Postgres.DMG and How-to that you can find at 
<http://www.entropy.ch/software/macosx/postgresql/>.

Best Regards,

Pierre

Le 13 d?c. 04, ? 01:45, Sivakatirswami a ?crit :

> ;-( things are getting worse instead of better. Now I seemed to have 
> shot myself in the foot and cannot even get the postmaster/server to 
> start up at all...let alone connect with rev... OK, following all the 
> advice as bes as I can and also the postgres docs....here's where i 
> stand:
>
> ===========
>
> OK first of all Pierre was correct, after initdb on installtion, the 
> pg_hba file was in fact automatically installed with two client 
> authenticate records as follows:
>
> pg_hba.conf
>
> # TYPE  DATABASE    USER        IP-ADDRESS        IP-MASK           
> METHOD
>
> local   all         all                                             
> trust
> # IPv4-style local connections:
> host    all         all         127.0.0.1         255.255.255.255   
> trust
>
> # I infer from this that "localhost" should work automatically, 
> assuming we can start the server and tcp/ip connections are allowed...
>
> So I then edited postmaster.conf and uncommented only three lines, 
> tcpip, max_connections and port....
>
> # - Connection Settings -
>
> tcpip_socket = true
> max_connections = 50
>         # note: increasing max_connections costs about 500 bytes of 
> shared
>         # memory per connection slot, in addition to costs from 
> shared_buffers
>         # and max_locks_per_transaction.
> #superuser_reserved_connections = 2
> port = 5432
> #unix_socket_directory = ''
> #unix_socket_group = ''
> #unix_socket_permissions = 0777 # octal
> #virtual_host = ''              # what interface to listen on; 
> defaults to any
> #rendezvous_name = ''           # defaults to the computer name
>
> # - Security & Authentication -
>
> #authentication_timeout = 60    # 1-600, in seconds
> #ssl = false
> #password_encryption = true
> #krb_server_keyfile = ''
> #db_user_namespace = false lines
> (and more lines, all commented out)
>
> ========
>
> OK, that seems to fulfill everyone's guidance... but:
>
>
> katir:/usr/local/pgsql/data postgres$ pg_ctl -D /usr/local/pgsql/data 
> -i -l logfile start
> katir:/usr/local/pgsql/data postgres$
>
> katir:/usr/local/pgsql/bin postgres$ ./psql katir_test
>
> psql: could not connect to server: No such file or directory
>         Is the server running locally and accepting
>         connections on Unix domain socket "/tmp/.s.PGSQL.5432"?
> katir:/usr/local/pgsql/bin postgres$
>
> So, no I cannot even start up the server at all.
>
> ??
>
> Sivakatirswami
>
>
>
>
> On Dec 12, 2004, at 9:08 AM, Hershel Fisch wrote:
>
>> Hi , in order to run thru a tcp/ip connection it has to be enabled 
>> first , to do so eithre you enable the tcp/ip or you start it
>> with an -I flag.
>> su - postgres
>> password
>> postgres% "/usr/local/bin/postmaster -D /usr/local/pgsql/data ?I" ( 
>> this is the -I flag you enter)
>> Hershel Fisch
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From martin at materiaprima.fsnet.co.uk  Mon Dec 13 03:23:55 2004
From: martin at materiaprima.fsnet.co.uk (Martin Baxter)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 03:23:55 -0500 (EST)
Subject: parsing comments in scripts
In-Reply-To: <3F4879C1-4CC9-11D9-9B56-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
References: <41BCEEE6.1080500@hyperactivesw.com>
 <5.1.0.14.0.20041211192048.029d10f0@mail.tweedly.net>
 <5.1.0.14.0.20041211121614.02947e70@mail.tweedly.net>
 <1453581479.20041210122823@ahsoftware.net>
 <5.1.0.14.0.20041210124601.028c9158@mail.tweedly.net>
 <a0611043cbddf506a3e6d@[141.89.100.235]>
 <1453581479.20041210122823@ahsoftware.net>
 <5.1.0.14.0.20041211121614.02947e70@mail.tweedly.net>
 <5.1.0.14.0.20041211192048.029d10f0@mail.tweedly.net>
 <5.1.0.14.0.20041212121039.029bedb8@mail.tweedly.net>
 <41BCEEE6.1080500@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <l03130300bde31204a26d@[81.78.103.65]>

>On Dec 12, 2004, at 6:22 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
>
>> I see the point people are making, but I'd sure miss the current
>> behavior if it changed. The ability to comment out an entire handler
>> by commenting the first line has been in xtalk for 18 years. I have
>> become dependent on it.
>
>As Alex pointed out, it is really only an illusion for Transcript.  It
>doesn't work.
>
>As for Hypertalk, my copy of "Hypercard Script Language Guide: The
>HyperTalk Language" says "Statements always appear in handlers in a
>script.  Any part of a statement following HyperTalk's double-hyphen
>comment character (--) is ignored by HyperCard."  I read this as saying
>that the ability was not intended to be part of HyperCard.
>
>I am curious if others use the technique of commenting out a handler by
>commenting out the first line.  Maybe there is a way to rescue this
>kind of thing in a clean way.
>
>Dar

Yes I do use it occasionally, when I want to quickly disable a handler for
debugging or somesuch purpose. If I want to disable a handler on a more
long term basis I would comment the whole thing out. My habit is that I
wouldn't actually save a stack with handlers commented out this way.

As Jacqueline pointed out, this was a standard practise in Hypercard. And
as you note Dar, in that environment there was really no problem with
"junk" in the sense you mean because anything outside of a handler
declaration was simply ignored, since there was no syntax at all that was
valid outside a handler. On the slower machines of those days it was more
efficient to disable a script by commenting one line than to comment the
whole thing, which might also introduce enough characters to drive the
script beyond the old length limit of 30000 characters.

I do wonder though how likely it is that you would comment :

-- on whatever

either accidentally or with any other purpose than disabling the handler ?

Martin





From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Dec 13 03:45:48 2004
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 00:45:48 -0800
Subject: What's a function
In-Reply-To: <41BD2975.1000304@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <41BD2975.1000304@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <41BD56BC.5030604@fourthworld.com>

J. Landman Gay wrote:
> I said elsewhere that I'd post my article about the differences between 
> a function and a command handler. For anyone interested, I've put it 
> online here:
> 
> <http://www.hyperactivesw.com/functions.html>
> 
> This is specifically aimed at new Transcripters, so I've tried to keep 
> the jargon to a minimum and the example handlers a bit more verbose.

Excellent work, Jacque.  You do have a gift for the art of the explanation.

I've added that to the list of tutorials on my Rev page.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  __________________________________________________
  Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev

From BNZ2 at CDC.GOV  Mon Dec 13 09:01:29 2004
From: BNZ2 at CDC.GOV (Lynch, Jonathan)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 09:01:29 -0500
Subject: testing on case
Message-ID: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A9469E16@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>

Well - what is the value of z...

If your using z rather than "z", then, maybe there is some issue with
the value of whatever you are putting into the variable z.

-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of
James.Cass at sealedair.com
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 11:12 AM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: RE: testing on case

Jonathan -

That's weird, right?  When I do this in the messagebox or in a button 
script:
        put matchText( z, "^[A-Z]")
I definitely get "false" returned. 

But when I do this in the messagebox
        put matchText( z, "^[aA-zZ]")
I get true.  This is the way I would expect it to behave. 

I don't know why you would be getting different results.  Hmmmm.

I'm running Rev 2.5 on MacOSX 10.3.6. 

- James





"Lynch, Jonathan" <BNZ2 at CDC.GOV>
Sent by: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
12/09/04 04:02 PM
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        cc: 
        Subject:        RE: testing on case


Hi James...

I tried:

matchText( z, "^[A-Z]")

and it worked fine for me...



I tested it in the message box...

matchText("b","^[A-Z]")

returned false, and

matchText("B","^[A-Z]")

returned true



-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of
James.Cass at sealedair.com
Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 3:47 PM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: testing on case

>  The expression matchText( z, "^[A-Z]")
> will return true if (and only when) the
> first character is an ASCII capital letter.

That returns "false" for me.  You'll need to do it like this to cover
upper
and lower case.

matchText(z,"^[aA-zZ]")

Cheers...James




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On Dec 9, 2004, at 11:46 AM, Hershel Fisch wrote:

>> if matchText( param(x), "^[A-Z]") then put xxx else put x
> I don't get it

The expression matchText( z, "^[A-Z]") will return true if (and only
when) the first character is an ASCII capital letter.  The "^" matches
the beginning of the string (or line).  A more exact pattern is "\A"; I
used "^" because it might be more familiar.  The immediately following
pattern [A-Z] matches any letter in the range A-Z in ASCII.  It must
match right after the previous pattern match, that is, the beginning.
There is no pattern matching for the end of the string so the rest of
the string z does not matter.  That is, matchText() returns true if the
pattern occurs anywhere in the string, not just if it matches the whole
string.  (Use \A and \z to match the ends to make a pattern match the
whole string.)

You can find more info on regular expressions here:

http://www.perldoc.com/perl5.8.0/pod/perlre.html

But you have to skip over all the perl specific parts.

You can find more specific information on exact usage of the actual
library used in Revolution and (I assume) Dreamcard here:

http://www.pcre.org/pcre.txt

But you have to skip over all the building and calling parts.  Skip
down to PCRE REGULAR EXPRESSION DETAILS.  I think you need to skip over
the unicode and UTF-8 paragraphs, too, for now.

Dar

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From kray at sonsothunder.com  Mon Dec 13 09:12:40 2004
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 08:12:40 -0600
Subject: parsing comments in scripts
In-Reply-To: <3F4879C1-4CC9-11D9-9B56-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <BDE2FF78.AE3E%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 12/12/04 11:38 PM, "Dar Scott" <dsc at swcp.com> wrote:

> I am curious if others use the technique of commenting out a handler by
> commenting out the first line.  Maybe there is a way to rescue this
> kind of thing in a clean way.

Well, I know of at least one other person that does this, so it may have
quite a following... perhaps commenting out the first line automatically
comments out the whole handler? That is, when you close and reopen the
script the handler is fully commented?

Just a thought...

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From BNZ2 at CDC.GOV  Mon Dec 13 09:29:14 2004
From: BNZ2 at CDC.GOV (Lynch, Jonathan)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 09:29:14 -0500
Subject: Making a Rev-built app hoist itself to the foreground
Message-ID: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A9469E17@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>

I do this in an app I am creating - and the line:

   Go this stack

Seems to work for me.

-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Geoff
Canyon
Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 2:17 PM
To: Use-Revolution
Subject: Making a Rev-built app hoist itself to the foreground

Is there a simple way I'm missing to create a Revolution app that, when 
called from the command line (and thus starts in the background) hoist 
itself to the foreground to be in front of the user? I'm looking for 
the cross platform transcript equivalent of AppleScript's "activate"

regards,

Geoff Canyon
gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com

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From marty at vertex.ucls.uchicago.edu  Mon Dec 13 09:46:41 2004
From: marty at vertex.ucls.uchicago.edu (Marty Billingsley)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 08:46:41 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Sexuality and Runtime Revolution
In-Reply-To: <20041212215929.BD4E2930194@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20041212215929.BD4E2930194@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.58.0412130842590.3661@vertex.ucls.uchicago.edu>

I read this as a parody -- never occured to me that anyone
might take it seriously.  Try reading it out loud in a
thick russian accent, like Tom Lehrer in Lobachevsky.

 - marty

> You never know with higher ed these days.
>
> Sigh...
>
> Judy
>
> On Sun, 12 Dec 2004, Bill wrote:
>
> > I agree with Andre. This could well be a serious college curriculum.
> > Although the sexist comments about the professor's secretary would surely
> > get him fired (perhaps he is tenured) at the least he will be suffering some
> > serious suing.
> >
> >
> > On 12/12/04 10:51 AM, "Magnus Hippolyte Batavia" <magnus at mail.maclaunch.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Here at Carthage College we are wanting lecturer to give
> > > course on sexuality of Runtime Revolution (when I say
> > > "mousedown" to my secretary Melanie, she has spontaneous
> > > filing problems). Here at Carthage College in Coyote,
> > > Wyoming, we are at the center of the community and want
> > > people to feel attracted by programming: and Runtime
> > > Revolution is very sexual. So we are wanting lecturer with
> > > PhD to come to our College and give lectures on said
> > > subject and real live demonstrations. Our program chief, Dr
> > > Bhatt, has written Transcript program to remote control
> > > vibrator; but stupid students want to study Buddhism.
> > >
> > > Melanie says she prefers me to do her in lunch break; not
> > > attending courses on programming - but she is stupid
> > > person; only good for filing.
> > >
> > > Magnus  Hippolyte Batavia, PhD, DSc, Sarvabhauma

From gwalias-rev at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 13 09:57:53 2004
From: gwalias-rev at yahoo.com (Gordon)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 06:57:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: What's a function
In-Reply-To: <41BD2975.1000304@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <20041213145753.97123.qmail@web51106.mail.yahoo.com>

Dear Jacqueline

Many thanks for your excellent article - and many
thanks to all of you who patiently answer my newbie
questions. I have to say that this list is one of the
best things about rev. It's heartening to see that rev
has such a dynamic and helpful community. It makes you
feel that anything is possible with this wonderful
developmnent tool.

BTW: I recently purchased a copy of "If monks had
macs"  from Brian Thomas's web site
(http://www.rivertext.com)   - it's an inspiring piece
of art, recreation and education that's definitely
more than the sum of it's parts and worth every penny
of the $30 or so that it cost me. It was also
inspiring from the point of view of seeing what can be
achieved with rev.

Rev's marketing slogan could be "Runtime Revolution -
the second most fun you can have without laughing".

Best

Gordon



--- "J. Landman Gay" <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:

> I said elsewhere that I'd post my article about the
> differences between 
> a function and a command handler. For anyone
> interested, I've put it 
> online here:
> 
> <http://www.hyperactivesw.com/functions.html>
> 
> This is specifically aimed at new Transcripters, so
> I've tried to keep 
> the jargon to a minimum and the example handlers a
> bit more verbose.
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |    
> jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |    
> http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> 
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From gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com  Mon Dec 13 10:08:30 2004
From: gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 07:08:30 -0800
Subject: Making a Rev-built app hoist itself to the foreground
In-Reply-To: <AEED5658-4C8A-11D9-BB76-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au>
References: <6C72D9B4-4C72-11D9-AC30-000A95A872D6@inspiredlogic.com>
	<AEED5658-4C8A-11D9-BB76-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au>
Message-ID: <D93177B2-4D18-11D9-AC30-000A95A872D6@inspiredlogic.com>

On Dec 12, 2004, at 2:10 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

>> Is there a simple way I'm missing to create a Revolution app that, 
>> when called from the command line (and thus starts in the background) 
>> hoist itself to the foreground to be in front of the user? I'm 
>> looking for the cross platform transcript equivalent of AppleScript's 
>> "activate"
>>
> I wonder what happens if you set the relevant window to be a 
> systemWindow and then set it back again? Presumably it would come to 
> the front when set to systemWindow, but will it stay there?

On OS X at least, it seems that there's an additional wrinkle: apps 
called through the shell command want to stay in the background. Even 
when I click on their window they stay in the background, although the 
window is responsive. I can drag sliders, click buttons, etc., all 
while the app sits happily behind everything else. I'm going to have to 
experiment further...

regards,

Geoff Canyon
gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com


From howard.bornstein at gmail.com  Mon Dec 13 10:22:55 2004
From: howard.bornstein at gmail.com (Howard Bornstein)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 10:22:55 -0500
Subject: Sexuality and Runtime Revolution
In-Reply-To: <377EB7A6-4C8D-11D9-91CE-000A95909E26@runrev.com>
References: <377EB7A6-4C8D-11D9-91CE-000A95909E26@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <3f07cc26041213072273dff773@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 22:27:35 +0000, Heather Nagey <heather at runrev.com> wrote:

> This is clearly a bogus mail, and will not be tolerated. The person
> concerned will be put on strict moderation or banned from the list -
> I'm not
> yet sure which.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Heather
> --

Just as a point of information, Mr. Batavia *has* posted to this list
before under that name.

See:

lists.runrev.com/pipermail/ use-revolution/2004-October/045810.html
lists.runrev.com/pipermail/ use-revolution/2003-August/021724.html
www.mail-archive.com/ use-revolution at lists.runrev.com/msg17787.htm

-- 
Regards,

Howard Bornstein
-----------------------
www.designeq.com

From gizmotron at earthlink.net  Mon Dec 13 10:58:35 2004
From: gizmotron at earthlink.net (Mark Brownell)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 07:58:35 -0800
Subject: Sexuality and Runtime Revolution
In-Reply-To: <3f07cc26041213072273dff773@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D8804CC0-4D1F-11D9-8F8D-000A95743F7A@earthlink.net>


On Monday, December 13, 2004, at 07:22 AM, Howard Bornstein wrote:

> Just as a point of information, Mr. Batavia *has* posted to this list
> before under that name.

Hmm?

mb


From gizmotron at earthlink.net  Mon Dec 13 11:03:04 2004
From: gizmotron at earthlink.net (Mark Brownell)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 08:03:04 -0800
Subject: test send
In-Reply-To: <17979DBA-4ADA-11D9-B991-000A95743F7A@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <7891FF46-4D20-11D9-8F8D-000A95743F7A@earthlink.net>

testing, please ignore

Mark


From dsc at swcp.com  Mon Dec 13 11:15:39 2004
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 09:15:39 -0700
Subject: parsing comments in scripts
In-Reply-To: <BDE2FF78.AE3E%kray@sonsothunder.com>
References: <BDE2FF78.AE3E%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <3AA27189-4D22-11D9-82BC-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>


On Dec 13, 2004, at 7:12 AM, Ken Ray wrote:

> perhaps commenting out the first line automatically
> comments out the whole handler? That is, when you close and reopen the
> script the handler is fully commented?

Like this?

--  I wrote this
--  on Christmas day
--  when others were at play.
local a
on work
    local moss
    put a
end work
local b

==>

--  I wrote this
-- --  on Christmas day
-- --  when others were at play.
-- local a
-- on work
--    local moss
--    put a
-- end work
local b

A script local and a handler is lost by an inadvertent trigger in a 
comment.


It currently works like this:  This script with the first line 
commented...

-- on work
    local moss
    put a
end work

... is virtually compiled as though it like this...

-- on work
    local moss
--   put a
-- end work

... inserting a script local variable.

The technique of commenting out the first line to disable the handler 
does not work in Transcript.

If this is fixed so '-- on xxx' patterns are recognized by the 
compiler, then the "on Christmas day" problem comes back.

As a newbie, I was confused by some commands at the top of a script in 
an example stack.  I thought maybe it was initialization.  It turned 
out to be ignored by the compiler, left there for some reason by the 
script writer, perhaps long forgotten.  Maybe it even had a commented 
out 'on' line, I don't remember.

I would guess that HyperTalk did not have local, global or constant at 
the script level (outside of handlers), so there may not have been an 
issue.

Dar Scott
DSC




From fde101 at fjrhome.net  Mon Dec 13 11:43:08 2004
From: fde101 at fjrhome.net (Frank D. Engel, Jr.)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 11:43:08 -0500
Subject: Delete card loop crashes Rev
In-Reply-To: <a06110407bde1ec18b9ed@[141.89.100.235]>
References: <CCE12E5C-4BF4-11D9-998F-000A959D0AC6@hindu.org>
	<a06110407bde1ec18b9ed@[141.89.100.235]>
Message-ID: <11B0DABA-4D26-11D9-901F-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>

Also, as pointed out previously on this list, anything which causes Rev 
to crash is and should be treated as a bug (the only possible exception 
would be a custom external which causes the crash, but you would likely 
know if you were using one, and none of the code you posted would seem 
to indicate the use of an external).  This should be filed in Bugzilla, 
prefereably with a crash log, which can be obtained from the Console 
application in the Applications/Utilities folder under OS X.

On Dec 12, 2004, at 7:46 AM, Robert Brenstein wrote:

>> I have a stack that I use to download entire sites, Card one is set 
>> to cantDelete... I download the Table of contents page to that card, 
>> then run a script that parse the page and downloads every page on 
>> that has an href in the Table of Contents page... then dump to my 
>> hard drive.. and viola... locally accessible tutorials..  When I go 
>> to download a different site... I intend to delete the previous one 
>> with this script:
>>
>> on mouseup
>>   Answer "You are about to delete all data except card 1! This is 
>> unrecoverable!" with "Cancel" or "Proceed"
>>   if it is "Cancel" then exit mouseup
>>   lock screen
>>   put the number of cards of this stack into tLoops
>>   go to card tLoops
>>   repeat (tLoops-1) times
>>    delete this card
>>   end repeat
>> end mouseup
>>
>> which consistently causes Rev to crash on Mac OSX
>>
>> Any clues? looks like a bug to me as I've used this script before 
>> successfully for years in Supercard, Metacard and in earlier 
>> renditions of Rev.
>>
>> Sivakatirswami
>
> a) comment out the lock screen to see what is going on
>
> the go to card tLoops takes you to the last card. When you delete it, 
> you end up on the next which is the first card of the stack. Then you 
> delete it. And I think that is where your script and the button 
> resides.
>
> b) try changing the loop
>
>   repeat while the number of cards of this stack > 1
>    go to the last card
>    delete this card
>   end repeat
>
> this should also work and be more efficient
>
>   repeat while the number of cards of this stack > 1
>    delete the last card of this stack
>   end repeat
>
> c) I would change the logic of the program to avoid this altogether
>
> keep the cards to be deleted in a substack which is a clone of a 
> template substack, so you simply delete that entire substack. This may 
> allow you to actually retain and support multiple sets in parallel.
>
> Robert
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
>
-----------------------------------------------------------
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$ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
$ true | cat /usr/manual | grep "John 3:16"
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten 
Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have 
everlasting life.
$



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From fde101 at fjrhome.net  Mon Dec 13 11:52:43 2004
From: fde101 at fjrhome.net (Frank D. Engel, Jr.)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 11:52:43 -0500
Subject: me missing in actions...
In-Reply-To: <41BBA6E4.2050609@fourthworld.com>
References: <73EE02A4-4BA8-11D9-90B1-0003936D012E@mac.com>
	<41BBA6E4.2050609@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <68B676F4-4D27-11D9-901F-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>

Well, I found this site where someone could theoretically make one:

http://wordherd.com/keyboards/


On Dec 11, 2004, at 9:03 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Andre Garzia wrote:
>> Hi folks,
>> been a while since my last post, the problem was that due to a huge 
>> misfortune, after I arrived from Malta I got my good arm broken
>
> I tried finding a right-handed Dvorak layout for OS X to send to Andre 
> (I went through the same thing when I broke my left elbow a few years 
> back), and while I was able to find one for Classic I haven't for OS 
> X.
>
> OS X includes the standard Dvorak, but right-handed Dvorak is designed 
> specifically for the one-armed user, and was a godsend for my 
> productivity while I was healing.  Windows ships with both 
> right-handed and left-handed Dvorak, but alas it seems Apple is behind 
> the curve on this one.
>
> If you know where to find a right-handed Dvorak keyboard layout for OS 
> X, please send it to Andre and if you don't mind please CC me so I can 
> bookmark it; it's a valuable resource for those who need it.
>
> --
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World Media Corporation
>  __________________________________________________
>  Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
>
-----------------------------------------------------------
Frank D. Engel, Jr.  <fde101 at fjrhome.net>

$ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
$ true | cat /usr/manual | grep "John 3:16"
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten 
Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have 
everlasting life.
$



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From fde101 at fjrhome.net  Mon Dec 13 12:09:42 2004
From: fde101 at fjrhome.net (Frank D. Engel, Jr.)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 12:09:42 -0500
Subject: forum
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20041212150030.02944c70@mail.tweedly.net>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20041212150030.02944c70@mail.tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <C81120A6-4D29-11D9-901F-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>


On Dec 12, 2004, at 10:07 AM, Alex Tweedly wrote:

> At 13:19 12/12/2004 +0000, Bob Hartley wrote:
>
>> Hi All
>>
>> I've yet again been trawling the google search for a hint on a runrev 
>> topic (I cant get it in the video tutorials at the moment because I 
>> have not bought the video tutorials yet, only just bought studio).
>
> I thought the video tutorials came as part of any license - though I 
> must admit I've not tried to look at them (dial-up at 28.8 makes that 
> am unappealing prospect :-)

Not *any* license, but they are included with a Studio license.  Look 
in the mail you rec'd with the serial number for Rev 2.5; there is a 
separate code in that mail which you can use to unlock the video 
tutorials.  At least there was in mine.

>
>> Anyway. I develop for palmOS and the IDE I use is supported via a BBS.
>>
>> Is there any chance of this thing being used instead of a list. I 
>> think it is far superior.
>
> Call me old-fashioned, but I like a traditional mailing list like this 
> one. As long as it has good search tools (Mark's one already mentioned 
> - I don't have a URL for it, sorry; or Google - 
> http://www.google.com/advanced_search?q=site:lists.runrev.com ),  the 
> main thing that matters is the responsiveness and helpfulness of the 
> other people on the list/forum.
>
> I haven't seen many lists or forums as fast and as thorough as this 
> one in giving replies. Occasionally an email falls through the cracks 
> - but repeating the request, maybe from a different angle, is usually 
> all it takes to fix that.
>
> So - what's your question Bob ?
>
> -- Alex.
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
-----------------------------------------------------------
Frank D. Engel, Jr.  <fde101 at fjrhome.net>

$ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
$ true | cat /usr/manual | grep "John 3:16"
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten 
Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have 
everlasting life.
$



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From fde101 at fjrhome.net  Mon Dec 13 12:18:23 2004
From: fde101 at fjrhome.net (Frank D. Engel, Jr.)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 12:18:23 -0500
Subject: Connecting to PostGreSQL on same machine: Mac OSX
In-Reply-To: <408B8BE0-4CA0-11D9-9486-000A959D0AC6@hindu.org>
References: <3524FFC4-4C71-11D9-933E-0030654C1E62@realtorsgroup.us>
	<408B8BE0-4CA0-11D9-9486-000A959D0AC6@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <FEA03B2B-4D2A-11D9-901F-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>


On Dec 12, 2004, at 7:45 PM, Sivakatirswami wrote:

> ;-( things are getting worse instead of better. Now I seemed to have 
> shot myself in the foot and cannot even get the postmaster/server to 
> start up at all...let alone connect with rev... OK, following all the 
> advice as bes as I can and also the postgres docs....here's where i 
> stand:
>
> ===========
>
> OK first of all Pierre was correct, after initdb on installtion, the 
> pg_hba file was in fact automatically installed with two client 
> authenticate records as follows:
>
> pg_hba.conf
>
> # TYPE  DATABASE    USER        IP-ADDRESS        IP-MASK           
> METHOD
>
> local   all         all                                             
> trust
> # IPv4-style local connections:
> host    all         all         127.0.0.1         255.255.255.255   
> trust
>
> # I infer from this that "localhost" should work automatically, 
> assuming we can start the server and tcp/ip connections are allowed...
>
> So I then edited postmaster.conf and uncommented only three lines, 
> tcpip, max_connections and port....

These should all take on defaults, only the tcpip_socket value is 
wrong.  That is the only one you should need to uncomment, then set it 
to true.

Uncommenting the other lines certainly should not hurt, though...

>
> # - Connection Settings -
>
> tcpip_socket = true
> max_connections = 50
>         # note: increasing max_connections costs about 500 bytes of 
> shared
>         # memory per connection slot, in addition to costs from 
> shared_buffers
>         # and max_locks_per_transaction.
> #superuser_reserved_connections = 2
> port = 5432
> #unix_socket_directory = ''
> #unix_socket_group = ''
> #unix_socket_permissions = 0777 # octal
> #virtual_host = ''              # what interface to listen on; 
> defaults to any
> #rendezvous_name = ''           # defaults to the computer name
>
> # - Security & Authentication -
>
> #authentication_timeout = 60    # 1-600, in seconds
> #ssl = false
> #password_encryption = true
> #krb_server_keyfile = ''
> #db_user_namespace = false lines
> (and more lines, all commented out)
>
> ========
>
> OK, that seems to fulfill everyone's guidance... but:
>
>
> katir:/usr/local/pgsql/data postgres$ pg_ctl -D /usr/local/pgsql/data 
> -i -l logfile start

This should have been "restart", not "start".  Also, you should not 
need to specify "-i" since the tcpip_socket=true option was given in 
postgresql.conf.


> katir:/usr/local/pgsql/data postgres$
>
> katir:/usr/local/pgsql/bin postgres$ ./psql katir_test
>
> psql: could not connect to server: No such file or directory
>         Is the server running locally and accepting
>         connections on Unix domain socket "/tmp/.s.PGSQL.5432"?
> katir:/usr/local/pgsql/bin postgres$

This is trying to connect to PostgreSQL through a UNIX domain socket 
rather than TCP/IP.  This should still be working, but if not, try a 
command like this:

psql -h <hostname> -U <username> dbname


>
> So, no I cannot even start up the server at all.

Did you check the activity monitor again to see if it was running or 
not?  The above given error message is a connectivity problem, any does 
not necessarily mean that the server is not running.

>
> ??
>
> Sivakatirswami
>
>
>
>
> On Dec 12, 2004, at 9:08 AM, Hershel Fisch wrote:
>
>> Hi , in order to run thru a tcp/ip connection it has to be enabled 
>> first , to do so eithre you enable the tcp/ip or you start it
>> with an -I flag.
>> su - postgres
>> password
>> postgres% "/usr/local/bin/postmaster -D /usr/local/pgsql/data ?I" ( 
>> this is the -I flag you enter)
>> Hershel Fisch
> _______________________________________________
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
>
-----------------------------------------------------------
Frank D. Engel, Jr.  <fde101 at fjrhome.net>

$ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
$ true | cat /usr/manual | grep "John 3:16"
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten 
Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have 
everlasting life.
$



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From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 13 12:21:32 2004
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 09:21:32 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Trail version to small to read
In-Reply-To: <1102896637.c10088e0Ms1@soas.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <20041213172133.30633.qmail@web60509.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Muaadh Salih <Ms1 at soas.ac.uk> wrote:
> I downloaded a limlted period (windows xp)version to
> try.
> Tha main menu is too small and I fail to alter it.
> I use to have and still have an old full version for
> the mac which is in a resonable size and felxible to
> tailor .
> While all other programms run in a readable size
> this version refuse to so. How can I set the menubar
> to fit the screen (non microscopically11)?
> please help
> 

Revolutions versions prior to 2.2 used a particular
implementation, based on the Windows95 UI ; because it
was emulated, you could easily adapt it to your own
taste, including the menubars.
Revolution 2.2 introduced a native WindowsXP theme,
and ought to follow the system settings. Does your
Revolution menubar look different from the menubar of
other native WinXP?

Jan Schenkel.

=====
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From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 13 12:26:43 2004
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 09:26:43 -0800 (PST)
Subject: mySQL & Dreamcard
In-Reply-To: <p06200702bde23e3cee5c@[192.168.1.106]>
Message-ID: <20041213172643.82873.qmail@web60505.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Stephen Barncard <stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com>
wrote:
> Database access is a major feature reserved for
> those who buy the 
> higher level software. I really don't think
> Dreamcard is supposed to 
> offer database access.
> 
> sqb
> 

The two things that Dreamcard and the Dreamcard player
doesn't support are :
- SSL and industrial-strength encryption ;
- Oracle database driver.

So Dreamcard and the Player should be able to connect
to a MySQL database, provided you're using the correct
connection parameters.

Jan Schenkel.

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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Dec 13 12:51:07 2004
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 09:51:07 -0800
Subject: me missing in actions...
In-Reply-To: <68B676F4-4D27-11D9-901F-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>
References: <73EE02A4-4BA8-11D9-90B1-0003936D012E@mac.com>
	<41BBA6E4.2050609@fourthworld.com>
	<68B676F4-4D27-11D9-901F-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>
Message-ID: <41BDD68B.9040604@fourthworld.com>

Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote:

>> If you know where to find a right-handed Dvorak keyboard layout for OS 
>> X, please send it to Andre and if you don't mind please CC me so I can 
>> bookmark it; it's a valuable resource for those who need it.
>
 > Well, I found this site where someone could theoretically make one:
 >
 > http://wordherd.com/keyboards/

Alas it seems to generate only standard Dvorak rather than either of the 
one-handed Dvoraks.  But it's a nifty tool just the same.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  __________________________________________________
  Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev

From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Dec 13 13:39:46 2004
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 12:39:46 -0600
Subject: parsing comments in scripts
In-Reply-To: <3AA27189-4D22-11D9-82BC-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
References: <BDE2FF78.AE3E%kray@sonsothunder.com>
	<3AA27189-4D22-11D9-82BC-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <41BDE1F2.5060902@hyperactivesw.com>

On 12/13/04 10:15 AM, Dar Scott wrote:

> I would guess that HyperTalk did not have local, global or constant at 
> the script level (outside of handlers), so there may not have been an 
> issue.
> 

Exactly right, so the issue never arose. I do understand the problem you 
bring up. It may be that us old-timers have to evolve.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com

From katir at hindu.org  Mon Dec 13 13:45:54 2004
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 08:45:54 -1000
Subject: Connecting to PostGreSQL on same machine: Mac OSX
In-Reply-To: <FEA03B2B-4D2A-11D9-901F-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>
References: <3524FFC4-4C71-11D9-933E-0030654C1E62@realtorsgroup.us>
	<408B8BE0-4CA0-11D9-9486-000A959D0AC6@hindu.org>
	<FEA03B2B-4D2A-11D9-901F-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>
Message-ID: <37EF7B50-4D37-11D9-9486-000A959D0AC6@hindu.org>

Frank, thanks for your patient responses

Still no go..

katir:~ postgres$ /usr/local/pgsql/bin/pg_ctl -D /usr/local/pgsql/data 
-l logfile restart

nothing happens, activity monitor doesn't show any start postgres 
processes started.

So, I'm stumped at this moment.

Is there some other log that will tell give us any useful feed back on 
what is happening.

Pierre:  Yes, I suppose I could  do a complete re-install, but, since 
two days ago I *was* able to start the server and all that I did in the 
interim was to "touch" the pg_hba.conf and postgresql.conf files, I 
*really* would like to fix this "manually" so that I get a grip on the 
issues and not simply "quit" and start over again.  though, if there is 
no definitive diagnostic then I may have not choice...


In the meantime I'm logging into our new server in Connecticutt where 
Postgres is running just fine and going through the tutorials via 
ssh...  creating test data bases and doing my "homework." (I'll have 
more to ask you about the rev ap server you installed after I get a 
little deeper into it...)

So, not having it running on my own machine is not a show stopper, just 
a nuisance.. normally I would be doing this kind of  R & D during hours 
when I am off line... now I have to do it during on-line hours= "eats 
my day job time." i.e. the time when I should be working on web design, 
content and team coordination etc.

Pierre, perhaps you could email me off list your own pg_hba.conf and 
postgresql.conf files that you are using on your OSX machine, I would 
install those and see if it works

Thanks!
Sivakatirswami
Himalayan Academy Publications
at Kauai's Hindu Monastery
katir at hindu.org

www.HimalayanAcademy.com,
www.HinduismToday.com
www.Gurudeva.org
www.Hindu.org

On Dec 13, 2004, at 7:18 AM, Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote:

> This is trying to connect to PostgreSQL through a UNIX domain socket 
> rather than TCP/IP.  This should still be working, but if not, try a 
> command like this:
>
> psql -h <hostname> -U <username> dbname
>
>
>>
>> So, no I cannot even start up the server at all.
>
> Did you check the activity monitor again to see if it was running or 
> not?  The above given error message is a connectivity problem, any 
> does not necessarily mean that the server is not running.


From katir at hindu.org  Mon Dec 13 14:03:03 2004
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 09:03:03 -1000
Subject: Connecting to PostGreSQL on same machine: Mac OSX
In-Reply-To: <37EF7B50-4D37-11D9-9486-000A959D0AC6@hindu.org>
References: <3524FFC4-4C71-11D9-933E-0030654C1E62@realtorsgroup.us>
	<408B8BE0-4CA0-11D9-9486-000A959D0AC6@hindu.org>
	<FEA03B2B-4D2A-11D9-901F-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>
	<37EF7B50-4D37-11D9-9486-000A959D0AC6@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <9DADC4A0-4D39-11D9-9486-000A959D0AC6@hindu.org>

More on this...

I can start the dbase in the foreground..

katir:~ postgres$ /usr/local/pgsql/bin/postmaster -D 
/usr/local/pgsql/data
LOG:  database system was shut down at 2004-12-13 08:56:00 HST
LOG:  checkpoint record is at 0/9E0780
LOG:  redo record is at 0/9E0780; undo record is at 0/0; shutdown TRUE
LOG:  next transaction ID: 551; next OID: 17153
LOG:  database system is ready

I see three postgres processes now in the activity monitor... but I 
can't find a way to issue commands to it from the cmd line.. there is 
no prompt after the last line above.



> but


> katir:~ postgres$ /usr/local/pgsql/bin/pg_ctl -D /usr/local/pgsql/data 
> -l logfile restart

doesn't work.. see below.



On Dec 13, 2004, at 8:45 AM, Sivakatirswami wrote:

> Frank, thanks for your patient responses
>
> Still no go..
>
> katir:~ postgres$ /usr/local/pgsql/bin/pg_ctl -D /usr/local/pgsql/data 
> -l logfile restart
>
> nothing happens, activity monitor doesn't show any start postgres 
> processes started.
>
> So, I'm stumped at this moment.
>
> Is there some other log that will tell give us any useful feed back on 
> what is happening.
>
> Pierre:  Yes, I suppose I could  do a complete re-install, but, since 
> two days ago I *was* able to start the server and all that I did in 
> the interim was to "touch" the pg_hba.conf and postgresql.conf files, 
> I *really* would like to fix this "manually" so that I get a grip on 
> the issues and not simply "quit" and start over again.  though, if 
> there is no definitive diagnostic then I may have not choice...
>
>
> In the meantime I'm logging into our new server in Connecticutt where 
> Postgres is running just fine and going through the tutorials via 
> ssh...  creating test data bases and doing my "homework." (I'll have 
> more to ask you about the rev ap server you installed after I get a 
> little deeper into it...)
>
> So, not having it running on my own machine is not a show stopper, 
> just a nuisance.. normally I would be doing this kind of  R & D during 
> hours when I am off line... now I have to do it during on-line hours= 
> "eats my day job time." i.e. the time when I should be working on web 
> design, content and team coordination etc.
>
> Pierre, perhaps you could email me off list your own pg_hba.conf and 
> postgresql.conf files that you are using on your OSX machine, I would 
> install those and see if it works
>
> Thanks!
> Sivakatirswami
> Himalayan Academy Publications
> at Kauai's Hindu Monastery
> katir at hindu.org
>
> www.HimalayanAcademy.com,
> www.HinduismToday.com
> www.Gurudeva.org
> www.Hindu.org
>
> On Dec 13, 2004, at 7:18 AM, Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote:
>
>> This is trying to connect to PostgreSQL through a UNIX domain socket 
>> rather than TCP/IP.  This should still be working, but if not, try a 
>> command like this:
>>
>> psql -h <hostname> -U <username> dbname
>>
>>
>>>
>>> So, no I cannot even start up the server at all.
>>
>> Did you check the activity monitor again to see if it was running or 
>> not?  The above given error message is a connectivity problem, any 
>> does not necessarily mean that the server is not running.
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>


From fde101 at fjrhome.net  Mon Dec 13 14:11:33 2004
From: fde101 at fjrhome.net (Frank D. Engel, Jr.)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 14:11:33 -0500
Subject: parsing comments in scripts
In-Reply-To: <41BDE1F2.5060902@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <BDE2FF78.AE3E%kray@sonsothunder.com>
	<3AA27189-4D22-11D9-82BC-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
	<41BDE1F2.5060902@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <CDB3C6FE-4D3A-11D9-901F-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>

If you found this to be so useful, why not submit a feature request?  
Maybe something like this would be in order:

on handlerName is disabled

or

disabled handlerName

or something like that.

empty on handlerName

?

On Dec 13, 2004, at 1:39 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> On 12/13/04 10:15 AM, Dar Scott wrote:
>
>> I would guess that HyperTalk did not have local, global or constant 
>> at the script level (outside of handlers), so there may not have been 
>> an issue.
>
> Exactly right, so the issue never arose. I do understand the problem 
> you bring up. It may be that us old-timers have to evolve.
>
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
>
-----------------------------------------------------------
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$ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
$ true | cat /usr/manual | grep "John 3:16"
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten 
Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have 
everlasting life.
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From fde101 at fjrhome.net  Mon Dec 13 14:20:43 2004
From: fde101 at fjrhome.net (Frank D. Engel, Jr.)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 14:20:43 -0500
Subject: Connecting to PostGreSQL on same machine: Mac OSX
In-Reply-To: <9DADC4A0-4D39-11D9-9486-000A959D0AC6@hindu.org>
References: <3524FFC4-4C71-11D9-933E-0030654C1E62@realtorsgroup.us>
	<408B8BE0-4CA0-11D9-9486-000A959D0AC6@hindu.org>
	<FEA03B2B-4D2A-11D9-901F-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>
	<37EF7B50-4D37-11D9-9486-000A959D0AC6@hindu.org>
	<9DADC4A0-4D39-11D9-9486-000A959D0AC6@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <153F0D1D-4D3C-11D9-901F-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>

Hmm.

The only non-comment lines in my pg_hba.conf are as follows:

# TYPE  DATABASE    USER        IP-ADDRESS        IP-MASK           
METHOD

local   all         all                                             
password
# IPv4-style local connections:
host    all         all         127.0.0.1         255.255.255.255   
password
# IPv6-style local connections:
host    all         all         ::1               
ffff:ffff:ffff:ffff:ffff:ffff:ffff:ffff        password

host    all         all         192.168.0.5       255.255.255.0     
password


My postgresql.conf is stock from the installer at 
http://www.entropy.ch/software/macosx/postgresql/, except for 
uncommenting the tcpip_socket option and setting it to true.

And this is working fine.

When modifying these files, did you check to ensure that you did not 
modify permissions on the files/folders up to that point without 
switching them back?  Wrong permissions on the data directory and its 
contents will cause postgres to abort startup.

You should be able to get results similar to these (watch the mode bits 
for the data dir and its contents; note that your results may vary 
slightly in other ways, and probably will):


Frank-Engels-Computer:/usr/local/pgsql root# ls -l
total 120
-rw-------   1 postgres  wheel    155 15 Nov 11:44 .bash_history
-rw-------   1 postgres  wheel    135 15 Nov 11:42 .psql_history
drwx------  12 postgres  wheel    408 13 Dec 08:16 data                 
          <--
drwxr-xr-x   3 postgres  wheel    102 15 Nov 11:31 doc
drwxr-xr-x  22 postgres  wheel    748 15 Nov 11:31 include
drwxr-xr-x  51 postgres  wheel   1734 15 Nov 11:31 lib
-rw-------   1 postgres  wheel  47761 13 Dec 08:16 logfile
-rw-------   1 postgres  wheel   1338 26 Nov 22:28 postgres.log
drwxr-xr-x  13 postgres  wheel    442 15 Nov 11:31 share
Frank-Engels-Computer:/usr/local/pgsql root# cd data/
Frank-Engels-Computer:/usr/local/pgsql/data root# ls -l
total 56
-rw-------   1 postgres  wheel     4 15 Nov 11:38 PG_VERSION
drwx------   6 postgres  wheel   204 15 Nov 11:44 base
drwx------  22 postgres  wheel   748 13 Dec 08:16 global
drwx------   3 postgres  wheel   102 15 Nov 11:38 pg_clog
-rw-------   1 postgres  wheel  3376 15 Nov 11:43 pg_hba.conf           
        <--
-rw-------   1 postgres  wheel  1441 15 Nov 11:38 pg_ident.conf
drwx------   5 postgres  wheel   170  6 Dec 17:42 pg_xlog
-rw-------   1 postgres  wheel  7777 15 Nov 11:43 postgresql.conf       
       <--
-rw-------   1 postgres  wheel    60 13 Dec 08:16 postmaster.opts
-rw-------   1 postgres  wheel    46 13 Dec 08:16 postmaster.pid
Frank-Engels-Computer:/usr/local/pgsql/data root#


On Dec 13, 2004, at 2:03 PM, Sivakatirswami wrote:

> More on this...
>
> I can start the dbase in the foreground..
>
> katir:~ postgres$ /usr/local/pgsql/bin/postmaster -D 
> /usr/local/pgsql/data
> LOG:  database system was shut down at 2004-12-13 08:56:00 HST
> LOG:  checkpoint record is at 0/9E0780
> LOG:  redo record is at 0/9E0780; undo record is at 0/0; shutdown TRUE
> LOG:  next transaction ID: 551; next OID: 17153
> LOG:  database system is ready
>
> I see three postgres processes now in the activity monitor... but I 
> can't find a way to issue commands to it from the cmd line.. there is 
> no prompt after the last line above.
>
>
>
>> but
>
>
>> katir:~ postgres$ /usr/local/pgsql/bin/pg_ctl -D 
>> /usr/local/pgsql/data -l logfile restart
>
> doesn't work.. see below.
>
>
>
> On Dec 13, 2004, at 8:45 AM, Sivakatirswami wrote:
>
>> Frank, thanks for your patient responses
>>
>> Still no go..
>>
>> katir:~ postgres$ /usr/local/pgsql/bin/pg_ctl -D 
>> /usr/local/pgsql/data -l logfile restart
>>
>> nothing happens, activity monitor doesn't show any start postgres 
>> processes started.
>>
>> So, I'm stumped at this moment.
>>
>> Is there some other log that will tell give us any useful feed back 
>> on what is happening.
>>
>> Pierre:  Yes, I suppose I could  do a complete re-install, but, since 
>> two days ago I *was* able to start the server and all that I did in 
>> the interim was to "touch" the pg_hba.conf and postgresql.conf files, 
>> I *really* would like to fix this "manually" so that I get a grip on 
>> the issues and not simply "quit" and start over again.  though, if 
>> there is no definitive diagnostic then I may have not choice...
>>
>>
>> In the meantime I'm logging into our new server in Connecticutt where 
>> Postgres is running just fine and going through the tutorials via 
>> ssh...  creating test data bases and doing my "homework." (I'll have 
>> more to ask you about the rev ap server you installed after I get a 
>> little deeper into it...)
>>
>> So, not having it running on my own machine is not a show stopper, 
>> just a nuisance.. normally I would be doing this kind of  R & D 
>> during hours when I am off line... now I have to do it during on-line 
>> hours= "eats my day job time." i.e. the time when I should be working 
>> on web design, content and team coordination etc.
>>
>> Pierre, perhaps you could email me off list your own pg_hba.conf and 
>> postgresql.conf files that you are using on your OSX machine, I would 
>> install those and see if it works
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Sivakatirswami
>> Himalayan Academy Publications
>> at Kauai's Hindu Monastery
>> katir at hindu.org
>>
>> www.HimalayanAcademy.com,
>> www.HinduismToday.com
>> www.Gurudeva.org
>> www.Hindu.org
>>
>> On Dec 13, 2004, at 7:18 AM, Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote:
>>
>>> This is trying to connect to PostgreSQL through a UNIX domain socket 
>>> rather than TCP/IP.  This should still be working, but if not, try a 
>>> command like this:
>>>
>>> psql -h <hostname> -U <username> dbname
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> So, no I cannot even start up the server at all.
>>>
>>> Did you check the activity monitor again to see if it was running or 
>>> not?  The above given error message is a connectivity problem, any 
>>> does not necessarily mean that the server is not running.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
>
-----------------------------------------------------------
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$ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
$ true | cat /usr/manual | grep "John 3:16"
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten 
Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have 
everlasting life.
$



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From katir at hindu.org  Mon Dec 13 14:24:28 2004
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 09:24:28 -1000
Subject: Connecting to PostGreSQL on same machine: Mac OSX
In-Reply-To: <9DADC4A0-4D39-11D9-9486-000A959D0AC6@hindu.org>
References: <3524FFC4-4C71-11D9-933E-0030654C1E62@realtorsgroup.us>
	<408B8BE0-4CA0-11D9-9486-000A959D0AC6@hindu.org>
	<FEA03B2B-4D2A-11D9-901F-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>
	<37EF7B50-4D37-11D9-9486-000A959D0AC6@hindu.org>
	<9DADC4A0-4D39-11D9-9486-000A959D0AC6@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <9B3FCBC2-4D3C-11D9-9486-000A959D0AC6@hindu.org>

Success, sort of -;)

Even though trying to start up with
/usr/local/pgsql/bin/pg_ctl/ -D /usr/local/pgsql/data -l logfile restart

fails...

> postgres$ /usr/local/pgsql/bin/postmaster -D /usr/local/pgsql/data

works and I can connect now with Revolution... obviously because we 
changed the postgresql.conf tcpip setting to "true"    great!... And

  if I quit my shell sesson and open a new one I can immediately

% su postgres
./psql katir_test
and I get

Welcome to psql 7.4.5, the PostgreSQL interactive terminal.
etc...

I'm up and running in console mode as well... ;-)

but,

a)  I'm not sure if there are hidden issues that will be problematic 
later because I did not restart the server with pg_ctl and
b) this work around (booting the postmaster instead of running pg_ctl) 
begs the question of why

katir:~ postgres$ /usr/local/pgsql/bin/pg_ctl -D /usr/local/pgsql/data 
-l logfile restart

fails...

Sivakatirswami








On Dec 13, 2004, at 9:03 AM, Sivakatirswami wrote:

> More on this...
>
> I can start the dbase in the foreground..
>
> katir:~ postgres$ /usr/local/pgsql/bin/postmaster -D 
> /usr/local/pgsql/data
> LOG:  database system was shut down at 2004-12-13 08:56:00 HST
> LOG:  checkpoint record is at 0/9E0780
> LOG:  redo record is at 0/9E0780; undo record is at 0/0; shutdown TRUE
> LOG:  next transaction ID: 551; next OID: 17153
> LOG:  database system is ready
>
> I see three postgres processes now in the activity monitor... but I 
> can't find a way to issue commands to it from the cmd line.. there is 
> no prompt after the last line above.
>
>
>
>> but
>
>
>> katir:~ postgres$ /usr/local/pgsql/bin/pg_ctl -D 
>> /usr/local/pgsql/data -l logfile restart
>
> doesn't work.. see below.
>
>
>
> On Dec 13, 2004, at 8:45 AM, Sivakatirswami wrote:
>
>> Frank, thanks for your patient responses
>>
>> Still no go..
>>
>> katir:~ postgres$ /usr/local/pgsql/bin/pg_ctl -D 
>> /usr/local/pgsql/data -l logfile restart
>>
>> nothing happens, activity monitor doesn't show any start postgres 
>> processes started.
>>
>> So, I'm stumped at this moment.
>>
>> Is there some other log that will tell give us any useful feed back 
>> on what is happening.
>>
>> Pierre:  Yes, I suppose I could  do a complete re-install, but, since 
>> two days ago I *was* able to start the server and all that I did in 
>> the interim was to "touch" the pg_hba.conf and postgresql.conf files, 
>> I *really* would like to fix this "manually" so that I get a grip on 
>> the issues and not simply "quit" and start over again.  though, if 
>> there is no definitive diagnostic then I may have not choice...
>>
>>
>> In the meantime I'm logging into our new server in Connecticutt where 
>> Postgres is running just fine and going through the tutorials via 
>> ssh...  creating test data bases and doing my "homework." (I'll have 
>> more to ask you about the rev ap server you installed after I get a 
>> little deeper into it...)
>>
>> So, not having it running on my own machine is not a show stopper, 
>> just a nuisance.. normally I would be doing this kind of  R & D 
>> during hours when I am off line... now I have to do it during on-line 
>> hours= "eats my day job time." i.e. the time when I should be working 
>> on web design, content and team coordination etc.
>>
>> Pierre, perhaps you could email me off list your own pg_hba.conf and 
>> postgresql.conf files that you are using on your OSX machine, I would 
>> install those and see if it works
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Sivakatirswami
>> Himalayan Academy Publications
>> at Kauai's Hindu Monastery
>> katir at hindu.org
>>
>> www.HimalayanAcademy.com,
>> www.HinduismToday.com
>> www.Gurudeva.org
>> www.Hindu.org
>>
>> On Dec 13, 2004, at 7:18 AM, Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote:
>>
>>> This is trying to connect to PostgreSQL through a UNIX domain socket 
>>> rather than TCP/IP.  This should still be working, but if not, try a 
>>> command like this:
>>>
>>> psql -h <hostname> -U <username> dbname
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> So, no I cannot even start up the server at all.
>>>
>>> Did you check the activity monitor again to see if it was running or 
>>> not?  The above given error message is a connectivity problem, any 
>>> does not necessarily mean that the server is not running.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>>
>
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>


From chipp at chipp.com  Mon Dec 13 14:37:39 2004
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 13:37:39 -0600
Subject: Making a Rev-built app hoist itself to the foreground
In-Reply-To: <D93177B2-4D18-11D9-AC30-000A95A872D6@inspiredlogic.com>
References: <6C72D9B4-4C72-11D9-AC30-000A95A872D6@inspiredlogic.com>
	<AEED5658-4C8A-11D9-BB76-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au>
	<D93177B2-4D18-11D9-AC30-000A95A872D6@inspiredlogic.com>
Message-ID: <41BDEF83.9080002@chipp.com>

Geoff,

Can you somehow minimize it then maximize it programatically? Just a guess.

-Chipp



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From irog at mac.com  Mon Dec 13 14:39:16 2004
From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 11:39:16 -0800
Subject: No mouseUp
Message-ID: <ACDE4B6A-4D3E-11D9-B6A4-000D933610BE@mac.com>

I have the following script in a List field and the mouseUp handler 
doesn't work!  I noticed that it is the "set the dragData" line in the 
mouseDown that disables the mouseUp.  Can someone please tell me what's 
going on and how I can keep the mouseUp?


on mouseDown
   get the hilitedLines of me
   set the dragData to line it of me
end mouseDown

on mouseUp
   beep 2
end mouseUp




Thanks very much, Roger



From kray at sonsothunder.com  Mon Dec 13 14:43:16 2004
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 13:43:16 -0600
Subject: parsing comments in scripts
In-Reply-To: <3AA27189-4D22-11D9-82BC-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <BDE34CF4.AF10%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 12/13/04 10:15 AM, "Dar Scott" <dsc at swcp.com> wrote:

> 
> On Dec 13, 2004, at 7:12 AM, Ken Ray wrote:
> 
>> perhaps commenting out the first line automatically
>> comments out the whole handler? That is, when you close and reopen the
>> script the handler is fully commented?
> 
> Like this?
> 
> --  I wrote this
> --  on Christmas day
> --  when others were at play.
> local a
> on work
>     local moss
>     put a
> end work
> local b
> 
> ==>
> 
> --  I wrote this
> -- --  on Christmas day
> -- --  when others were at play.
> -- local a
> -- on work
> --    local moss
> --    put a
> -- end work
> local b

No, like this:

-- on work
  local moss
  put a
end work

==>

-- on work
--  local moss
--  put a
-- end work
 
> The technique of commenting out the first line to disable the handler
> does not work in Transcript.

You've said this a couple of times, but I have handlers where the first line
is commented and the handler *is* disabled. Can you give an example of where
this is not true?

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Mon Dec 13 14:47:02 2004
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 11:47:02 -0800 (PST)
Subject: What's a function
In-Reply-To: <41BD2975.1000304@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0412131146500.4832-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

Thank you, Jacque :-D

Can't wait to read it!

Judy

On Sun, 12 Dec 2004, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> I said elsewhere that I'd post my article about the differences between
> a function and a command handler. For anyone interested, I've put it
> online here:
>
> <http://www.hyperactivesw.com/functions.html>
>
> This is specifically aimed at new Transcripters, so I've tried to keep
> the jargon to a minimum and the example handlers a bit more verbose.
>
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>
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From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Mon Dec 13 14:51:12 2004
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 11:51:12 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Sexuality and Runtime Revolution
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.58.0412130842590.3661@vertex.ucls.uchicago.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0412131148300.4832-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

I remember Lobachevsky:  plagiarize, plagiarize, plagiarize!

But, seriously, these days half the CFP I see in history and literature
are along the lines of

"Cross-dressing Transgendered Trolls and multilayered identity in
Beowulf."

Okay, the above is a bit of an exaggeration.  But not much.

Judy

On Mon, 13 Dec 2004, Marty Billingsley wrote:

> I read this as a parody -- never occured to me that anyone
> might take it seriously.  Try reading it out loud in a
> thick russian accent, like Tom Lehrer in Lobachevsky.
>
>  - marty
>
> > You never know with higher ed these days.
> >
> > Sigh...
> >
> > Judy
> >
> > On Sun, 12 Dec 2004, Bill wrote:
> >
> > > I agree with Andre. This could well be a serious college curriculum.
> > > Although the sexist comments about the professor's secretary would surely
> > > get him fired (perhaps he is tenured) at the least he will be suffering some
> > > serious suing.
> > >
> > >
> > > On 12/12/04 10:51 AM, "Magnus Hippolyte Batavia" <magnus at mail.maclaunch.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Here at Carthage College we are wanting lecturer to give
> > > > course on sexuality of Runtime Revolution (when I say
> > > > "mousedown" to my secretary Melanie, she has spontaneous
> > > > filing problems). Here at Carthage College in Coyote,
> > > > Wyoming, we are at the center of the community and want
> > > > people to feel attracted by programming: and Runtime
> > > > Revolution is very sexual. So we are wanting lecturer with
> > > > PhD to come to our College and give lectures on said
> > > > subject and real live demonstrations. Our program chief, Dr
> > > > Bhatt, has written Transcript program to remote control
> > > > vibrator; but stupid students want to study Buddhism.
> > > >
> > > > Melanie says she prefers me to do her in lunch break; not
> > > > attending courses on programming - but she is stupid
> > > > person; only good for filing.
> > > >
> > > > Magnus  Hippolyte Batavia, PhD, DSc, Sarvabhauma
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From fde101 at fjrhome.net  Mon Dec 13 14:53:05 2004
From: fde101 at fjrhome.net (Frank D. Engel, Jr.)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 14:53:05 -0500
Subject: Making a Rev-built app hoist itself to the foreground
In-Reply-To: <41BDEF83.9080002@chipp.com>
References: <6C72D9B4-4C72-11D9-AC30-000A95A872D6@inspiredlogic.com>
	<AEED5658-4C8A-11D9-BB76-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au>
	<D93177B2-4D18-11D9-AC30-000A95A872D6@inspiredlogic.com>
	<41BDEF83.9080002@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <9ADBA0DF-4D40-11D9-901F-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>

You might try something like this, making the obvious substitution for 
the app title and fixing your trigger conditions, etc. (this works for 
me in a button script, I click the button and switch apps, shortly 
after which Rev automatically brings itself to the front):

on mouseUp
   wait for 20 sec
   do "tell application " & quote & "Revolution" & quote & "to activate" 
as appleScript
end mouseUp


On Dec 13, 2004, at 2:37 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:

> Geoff,
>
> Can you somehow minimize it then maximize it programatically? Just a 
> guess.
>
> -Chipp
>
>
>
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-----------------------------------------------------------
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$ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
$ true | cat /usr/manual | grep "John 3:16"
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten 
Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have 
everlasting life.
$

From katir at hindu.org  Mon Dec 13 15:15:09 2004
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 10:15:09 -1000
Subject: Connecting to PostGreSQL on same machine: Mac OSX
In-Reply-To: <153F0D1D-4D3C-11D9-901F-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>
References: <3524FFC4-4C71-11D9-933E-0030654C1E62@realtorsgroup.us>
	<408B8BE0-4CA0-11D9-9486-000A959D0AC6@hindu.org>
	<FEA03B2B-4D2A-11D9-901F-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>
	<37EF7B50-4D37-11D9-9486-000A959D0AC6@hindu.org>
	<9DADC4A0-4D39-11D9-9486-000A959D0AC6@hindu.org>
	<153F0D1D-4D3C-11D9-901F-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>
Message-ID: <B011AF04-4D43-11D9-9486-000A959D0AC6@hindu.org>

OK, see previous memo on this...

I *had* deleted the line  with all the ffff:ffff:ffff:

but.. seeing this.. I reinserted it..think, so, my pg_hba.conf looks 
just like yours

but:

katir:/Users/katir postgres$ /usr/local/pgsql/bin/pg_ctl -D 
/usr/local/pgsql/data -l logfile restart

still fails, no error msg... just, nothing happens.

I guess i should take this to a postgres forum now... ? Thanks for you 
patience and help so far... at least i can start up via the postmaster 
(see previous memo)

Sivakatirswami


On Dec 13, 2004, at 9:20 AM, Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote:

> Hmm.
>
> The only non-comment lines in my pg_hba.conf are as follows:
>
> # TYPE  DATABASE    USER        IP-ADDRESS        IP-MASK           
> METHOD
>
> local   all         all                                             
> password
> # IPv4-style local connections:
> host    all         all         127.0.0.1         255.255.255.255   
> password
> # IPv6-style local connections:
> host    all         all         ::1               
> ffff:ffff:ffff:ffff:ffff:ffff:ffff:ffff        password
>
> host    all         all         192.168.0.5       255.255.255.0     
> password
>
>
> My postgresql.conf is stock from the installer at 
> http://www.entropy.ch/software/macosx/postgresql/, except for 
> uncommenting the tcpip_socket option and setting it to true.
>
> And this is working fine.
>
> When modifying these files, did you check to ensure that you did not 
> modify permissions on the files/folders up to that point without 
> switching them back?  Wrong permissions on the data directory and its 
> contents will cause postgres to abort startup.
>
> You should be able to get results similar to these (watch the mode 
> bits for the data dir and its contents; note that your results may 
> vary slightly in other ways, and probably will):
>
>
> Frank-Engels-Computer:/usr/local/pgsql root# ls -l
> total 120
> -rw-------   1 postgres  wheel    155 15 Nov 11:44 .bash_history
> -rw-------   1 postgres  wheel    135 15 Nov 11:42 .psql_history
> drwx------  12 postgres  wheel    408 13 Dec 08:16 data                
>           <--
> drwxr-xr-x   3 postgres  wheel    102 15 Nov 11:31 doc
> drwxr-xr-x  22 postgres  wheel    748 15 Nov 11:31 include
> drwxr-xr-x  51 postgres  wheel   1734 15 Nov 11:31 lib
> -rw-------   1 postgres  wheel  47761 13 Dec 08:16 logfile
> -rw-------   1 postgres  wheel   1338 26 Nov 22:28 postgres.log
> drwxr-xr-x  13 postgres  wheel    442 15 Nov 11:31 share
> Frank-Engels-Computer:/usr/local/pgsql root# cd data/
> Frank-Engels-Computer:/usr/local/pgsql/data root# ls -l
> total 56
> -rw-------   1 postgres  wheel     4 15 Nov 11:38 PG_VERSION
> drwx------   6 postgres  wheel   204 15 Nov 11:44 base
> drwx------  22 postgres  wheel   748 13 Dec 08:16 global
> drwx------   3 postgres  wheel   102 15 Nov 11:38 pg_clog
> -rw-------   1 postgres  wheel  3376 15 Nov 11:43 pg_hba.conf          
>         <--
> -rw-------   1 postgres  wheel  1441 15 Nov 11:38 pg_ident.conf
> drwx------   5 postgres  wheel   170  6 Dec 17:42 pg_xlog
> -rw-------   1 postgres  wheel  7777 15 Nov 11:43 postgresql.conf      
>        <--
> -rw-------   1 postgres  wheel    60 13 Dec 08:16 postmaster.opts
> -rw-------   1 postgres  wheel    46 13 Dec 08:16 postmaster.pid
> Frank-Engels-Computer:/usr/local/pgsql/data root#
>
>
> On Dec 13, 2004, at 2:03 PM, Sivakatirswami wrote:
>
>> More on this...
>>
>> I can start the dbase in the foreground..
>>
>> katir:~ postgres$ /usr/local/pgsql/bin/postmaster -D 
>> /usr/local/pgsql/data
>> LOG:  database system was shut down at 2004-12-13 08:56:00 HST
>> LOG:  checkpoint record is at 0/9E0780
>> LOG:  redo record is at 0/9E0780; undo record is at 0/0; shutdown TRUE
>> LOG:  next transaction ID: 551; next OID: 17153
>> LOG:  database system is ready
>>
>> I see three postgres processes now in the activity monitor... but I 
>> can't find a way to issue commands to it from the cmd line.. there is 
>> no prompt after the last line above.
>>
>>
>>
>>> but
>>
>>
>>> katir:~ postgres$ /usr/local/pgsql/bin/pg_ctl -D 
>>> /usr/local/pgsql/data -l logfile restart
>>
>> doesn't work.. see below.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Dec 13, 2004, at 8:45 AM, Sivakatirswami wrote:
>>
>>> Frank, thanks for your patient responses
>>>
>>> Still no go..
>>>
>>> katir:~ postgres$ /usr/local/pgsql/bin/pg_ctl -D 
>>> /usr/local/pgsql/data -l logfile restart
>>>
>>> nothing happens, activity monitor doesn't show any start postgres 
>>> processes started.
>>>
>>> So, I'm stumped at this moment.
>>>
>>> Is there some other log that will tell give us any useful feed back 
>>> on what is happening.
>>>
>>> Pierre:  Yes, I suppose I could  do a complete re-install, but, 
>>> since two days ago I *was* able to start the server and all that I 
>>> did in the interim was to "touch" the pg_hba.conf and 
>>> postgresql.conf files, I *really* would like to fix this "manually" 
>>> so that I get a grip on the issues and not simply "quit" and start 
>>> over again.  though, if there is no definitive diagnostic then I may 
>>> have not choice...
>>>
>>>
>>> In the meantime I'm logging into our new server in Connecticutt 
>>> where Postgres is running just fine and going through the tutorials 
>>> via ssh...  creating test data bases and doing my "homework." (I'll 
>>> have more to ask you about the rev ap server you installed after I 
>>> get a little deeper into it...)
>>>
>>> So, not having it running on my own machine is not a show stopper, 
>>> just a nuisance.. normally I would be doing this kind of  R & D 
>>> during hours when I am off line... now I have to do it during 
>>> on-line hours= "eats my day job time." i.e. the time when I should 
>>> be working on web design, content and team coordination etc.
>>>
>>> Pierre, perhaps you could email me off list your own pg_hba.conf and 
>>> postgresql.conf files that you are using on your OSX machine, I 
>>> would install those and see if it works
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> Sivakatirswami
>>> Himalayan Academy Publications
>>> at Kauai's Hindu Monastery
>>> katir at hindu.org
>>>
>>> www.HimalayanAcademy.com,
>>> www.HinduismToday.com
>>> www.Gurudeva.org
>>> www.Hindu.org
>>>
>>> On Dec 13, 2004, at 7:18 AM, Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote:
>>>
>>>> This is trying to connect to PostgreSQL through a UNIX domain 
>>>> socket rather than TCP/IP.  This should still be working, but if 
>>>> not, try a command like this:
>>>>
>>>> psql -h <hostname> -U <username> dbname
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> So, no I cannot even start up the server at all.
>>>>
>>>> Did you check the activity monitor again to see if it was running 
>>>> or not?  The above given error message is a connectivity problem, 
>>>> any does not necessarily mean that the server is not running.
>>>
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>>
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> -----------------------------------------------------------
> Frank D. Engel, Jr.  <fde101 at fjrhome.net>
>
> $ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
> $ true | cat /usr/manual | grep "John 3:16"
> John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten 
> Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have 
> everlasting life.
> $
>
>
>
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From alex at tweedly.net  Mon Dec 13 15:25:52 2004
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 20:25:52 +0000
Subject: parsing comments in scripts
In-Reply-To: <BDE34CF4.AF10%kray@sonsothunder.com>
References: <3AA27189-4D22-11D9-82BC-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20041213202139.00afc120@mail.tweedly.net>

At 13:43 13/12/2004 -0600, Ken Ray wrote:
> > The technique of commenting out the first line to disable the handler
> > does not work in Transcript.
>
>You've said this a couple of times, but I have handlers where the first line
>is commented and the handler *is* disabled. Can you give an example of where
>this is not true?

There's an example (rather trivial one) in the Bugzilla entry (2468)

A more serious one is

>on A
>   local tLine
>end A
>
>on mouseUp
>   B
>end mouseUp
>
>on B
>   put "original B string" into tLine
>   C
>   put tLine & cr after msg
>end B
>
>on C
>   put "the C version" into tLine
>end C

This prints out "original B string" to the message box.
Comment out the first line of A, and it will now output "the C version".

The comment has disabled handler A, except for the local tLine statement, 
which has become script-local, and therefore changed the effect of the 
(implicit) declarations of tLine within B and C. So now the two handlers 
interfere with each other, when normally they wouldn't.

-- Alex.

From wjm at wjm.org  Mon Dec 13 15:29:51 2004
From: wjm at wjm.org (Bill Marriott)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 15:29:51 -0500
Subject: Newbie XML Question
References: <20041213170022.B05449300E9@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <001001c4e152$8107dac0$0c00000a@daedalus>

Hi Everyone!

I'm just warming up on the Revolution XML library, and I would love the 
groups's input on how to handle a particular problem I'm trying to figure 
out.

Hypothetical Scenario:

Bob runs a grocery store with two cash registers. Only one is running at any 
given time. But sometimes he uses register A and sometimes he uses register 
B. The registers happen to spit out receipts in XML. The recipts look like 
this:

<Register Station="A">
    <Purchase Date="12/13/2004" Time="14:26:03" DateTime="20041213142603" 
Order="1">
        <Buyer CustomerID="1234" />
        <Item UPC="04905004" Price="0.40"/>
        <Description>Cherry Coca-Cola</Description>
    </Purchase>
    <Purchase Date="12/13/2004" Time="14:26:14" DateTime="20041213142614" 
Order="1">
        <Buyer CustomerID="1234" />
        <Item UPC="03424005" Price="0.65"/>
        <Description>Hershey's Chocolate Bar</Description>
    </Purchase>
    <Purchase Date="12/13/2004" Time="15:09:25" DateTime="20041213150925" 
Order="2">
        <Buyer CustomerID="4567" />
        <Item UPC="02880125" Price="6.95"/>
        <Description>Marlboro Cigarettes</Description>
    </Purchase>
</Register>

In other words, Bob had two customers. The first customer bought two items 
(Order 1), and the second customer bought one item (Order 2).

Each register spits out a tape like this, starting with Order=1 and 
continuing until the store closes. At the end of the day, Bob would like to 
feed these tapes into his computer running Revolution and get one "tape" of 
all his items, re-numbered sequentially.

* Bob can't just tape them together (append them) because the Order numbers 
would conflict. Each register starts numbering at "1" when the store opens.
* There will never be overlapping orders; only one cash register is active 
at any given time. (Bob is a sole proprietor who runs from one to the 
other.)

My approach to this would be something like this:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"on mouseup"
put tape A into XMLTree called aTree
put tape B into XMLTree called bTree
make a new, empty XML tree called combinedTree

put the total number of orders in aTree into aOrders
put the total number of orders in bTree into bOrders

put 1 into newOrderNumber
put 1 into aCompare
put 1 into bCompare

repeat while (aCompare <= aOrders) and (bCompare <= bOrders)

    put the block of purchases related to order aCompare in aTree into 
aBlock
    put the block of purchases related to order bCompare in aTree into 
bBlock

    if the earliest DateTime in aBlock < the earliest DateTime in bBlock, 
then
        put aBlock after combinedTree
        put newOrderNumber into the Order attribute for the Purchase nodes 
of that block
        increment newOrderNumber by 1
        increment aCompare by 1
    else
        put bBlock after combinedTree
        put newOrderNumber into the Order attribute for the Purchase nodes 
of that block
        increment newOrderNumber by 1
        increment bCompare by 1
    end if

    if aCompare > aOrders then
        put the rest of bTree after combinedTree
        exit repeat
    end if

    if bCompare > bOrders then
        put the rest of aTree after combinedTree
        exit repeat
    end if

end repeat
write out combinedTree
"end mouseup"
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Ok, so I hope my "FunkyTalk" hyperscripting isn't too obscure.

The problem is, I don't know how to manipulate blocks of XML like this. Do I 
have to convert the whole XML file into some kind of table first? Do I have 
to walk through each and every node and every attribute? Is there nothing 
like "sort lines of foobar ascending by item 5 of each?" Actually, I don't 
even know how to walk through the nodes since the functions only seem to 
return the first instance...

I really would like to do something like select/extract all the Purchases 
where the Order ID = n and bring along all the related attributed and child 
elements. But I haven't a clue how to do that.

I've gotten as far as I have through reading the "XML Demo 1" stack and "XML 
construction kit" but I've hit a wall now. Some helpful advice would be very 
welcome... and posisbly helpful for other XML newbies on the list.

Bill 


From Cubist at aol.com  Mon Dec 13 15:30:02 2004
From: Cubist at aol.com (Cubist at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 15:30:02 EST
Subject: parsing comments in scripts
Message-ID: <197.340b1d6c.2eef55ca@aol.com>

sez jacque at hyperactivesw.com>:
>On 12/13/04 10:15 AM, Dar Scott wrote:
>> I would guess that HyperTalk did not have local, global or constant at
>> the script level (outside of handlers), so there may not have been an
>> issue.
>
>Exactly right, so the issue never arose. I do understand the problem you
>bring up. It may be that us old-timers have to evolve.
   I think I see a possible solution. What if, whenever a user comments out 
the "on HandlerName" or "function FcnName" line of a handler, the engine 
automatically comments out the *entire* handler, down to and including the "end 
[name of handler]" line at the end? Obviously, *un*commenting the "[functi]on 
HandlerName" line should uncomment the entire handler.
   This way, not only can old-time HCers do what they've always done and get 
the same practical results, but it's a convenient shortcut for 
dyed-in-the-wool Rev'ers. Yes? No?

From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Dec 13 15:36:02 2004
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 14:36:02 -0600
Subject: parsing comments in scripts
In-Reply-To: <CDB3C6FE-4D3A-11D9-901F-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>
References: <BDE2FF78.AE3E%kray@sonsothunder.com>
	<3AA27189-4D22-11D9-82BC-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
	<41BDE1F2.5060902@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CDB3C6FE-4D3A-11D9-901F-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>
Message-ID: <41BDFD32.1040102@hyperactivesw.com>

On 12/13/04 1:11 PM, Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote:

> If you found this to be so useful, why not submit a feature request?  
> Maybe something like this would be in order:
> 
> on handlerName is disabled
> 
> or
> 
> disabled handlerName
> 
> or something like that.
> 
> empty on handlerName
> 
> ?

That's more work. ;) The reason I use the top-comment disabling 
technique so much is because I often write two or three different 
versions of a handler, and then comment/uncomment them repeatedly until 
I decide which one I want to use. Sometimes this is for benchmarking, 
sometimes it is just because I'm experimenting with a different 
technique but I don't want to lose the original. It is very fast to 
click once and type a couple of hyphens.

Dragging over the whole handler -- which can sometimes be very long -- 
and choosing a menu item is more work. Not that big a deal, but enough 
that I always choose the commenting method instead. But except for 
excessively long handlers, changing the text of the first line would 
probably be even more work, so would be less preferable than the 
drag-select-choose menuitem method.

My ideal fix would be as Ken suggested: applying the script would 
automatically add comment characters to all the lines of the handler for 
me. Or perhaps we could simply choose "comment" from the menu, and it 
would automatically comment out all the lines of whatever handler the 
insertion point is currently in. That'd be okay with me too.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com

From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Dec 13 15:39:46 2004
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 14:39:46 -0600
Subject: parsing comments in scripts
In-Reply-To: <197.340b1d6c.2eef55ca@aol.com>
References: <197.340b1d6c.2eef55ca@aol.com>
Message-ID: <41BDFE12.3060502@hyperactivesw.com>

On 12/13/04 2:30 PM, Cubist at aol.com wrote:

> sez jacque at hyperactivesw.com>:
> 
>>On 12/13/04 10:15 AM, Dar Scott wrote:
>>
>>>I would guess that HyperTalk did not have local, global or constant at
>>>the script level (outside of handlers), so there may not have been an
>>>issue.
>>
>>Exactly right, so the issue never arose. I do understand the problem you
>>bring up. It may be that us old-timers have to evolve.
> 
>    I think I see a possible solution. What if, whenever a user comments out 
> the "on HandlerName" or "function FcnName" line of a handler, the engine 
> automatically comments out the *entire* handler, down to and including the "end 
> [name of handler]" line at the end? Obviously, *un*commenting the "[functi]on 
> HandlerName" line should uncomment the entire handler.
>    This way, not only can old-time HCers do what they've always done and get 
> the same practical results, but it's a convenient shortcut for 
> dyed-in-the-wool Rev'ers. Yes? No?

Yup. We think alike; I just wrote something almost exactly the same in 
my last post. I think this would work very well.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com

From kray at sonsothunder.com  Mon Dec 13 16:16:19 2004
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 15:16:19 -0600
Subject: parsing comments in scripts
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20041213202139.00afc120@mail.tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <BDE362C3.AF2D%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 12/13/04 2:25 PM, "Alex Tweedly" <alex at tweedly.net> wrote:

> There's an example (rather trivial one) in the Bugzilla entry (2468)
> 
> A more serious one is

(snip)

> The comment has disabled handler A, except for the local tLine statement,
> which has become script-local, and therefore changed the effect of the
> (implicit) declarations of tLine within B and C. So now the two handlers
> interfere with each other, when normally they wouldn't.

Thank you, Alex... I didn't realize that this would happen. Thanks for the
clarification...

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From dsc at swcp.com  Mon Dec 13 16:38:38 2004
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 14:38:38 -0700
Subject: parsing comments in scripts
In-Reply-To: <197.340b1d6c.2eef55ca@aol.com>
References: <197.340b1d6c.2eef55ca@aol.com>
Message-ID: <598F00C4-4D4F-11D9-82BC-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>


On Dec 13, 2004, at 1:30 PM, Cubist at aol.com wrote:

>> It may be that us old-timers have to evolve.
>    I think I see a possible solution.

The editor seems to know the limits of the handler (tab for formatting 
and handler oriented editing), so it should be able to comment out a 
handler.  Maybe under the Script menu could be an item named Comment 
Handler.  If a right click is added to the editor, then it could be 
there, too.

Dar

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From fde101 at fjrhome.net  Mon Dec 13 16:12:02 2004
From: fde101 at fjrhome.net (Frank D. Engel, Jr.)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 16:12:02 -0500
Subject: Newbie XML Question
In-Reply-To: <001001c4e152$8107dac0$0c00000a@daedalus>
References: <20041213170022.B05449300E9@mail.runrev.com>
	<001001c4e152$8107dac0$0c00000a@daedalus>
Message-ID: <A25CBCA4-4D4B-11D9-901F-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>

In other words, to navigate between <Register> blocks?

I would suggest creating a new tag and use it to encase all of the 
orders; something like this:

<Tape>
<Register Station="A">
     (...)
</Register>
<Register Station="A">
     (...)
</Register>

(...)
</Tape>

Do that for each of the registers, then use Rev's XML library to parse 
it all together and to navigate the resulting XML trees, rather than 
trying to pull each of them individually out of the text.


On Dec 13, 2004, at 3:29 PM, Bill Marriott wrote:

> Hi Everyone!
>
> I'm just warming up on the Revolution XML library, and I would love 
> the groups's input on how to handle a particular problem I'm trying to 
> figure out.
>
> Hypothetical Scenario:
>
> Bob runs a grocery store with two cash registers. Only one is running 
> at any given time. But sometimes he uses register A and sometimes he 
> uses register B. The registers happen to spit out receipts in XML. The 
> recipts look like this:
>
> <Register Station="A">
>    <Purchase Date="12/13/2004" Time="14:26:03" 
> DateTime="20041213142603" Order="1">
>        <Buyer CustomerID="1234" />
>        <Item UPC="04905004" Price="0.40"/>
>        <Description>Cherry Coca-Cola</Description>
>    </Purchase>
>    <Purchase Date="12/13/2004" Time="14:26:14" 
> DateTime="20041213142614" Order="1">
>        <Buyer CustomerID="1234" />
>        <Item UPC="03424005" Price="0.65"/>
>        <Description>Hershey's Chocolate Bar</Description>
>    </Purchase>
>    <Purchase Date="12/13/2004" Time="15:09:25" 
> DateTime="20041213150925" Order="2">
>        <Buyer CustomerID="4567" />
>        <Item UPC="02880125" Price="6.95"/>
>        <Description>Marlboro Cigarettes</Description>
>    </Purchase>
> </Register>
>
> In other words, Bob had two customers. The first customer bought two 
> items (Order 1), and the second customer bought one item (Order 2).
>
> Each register spits out a tape like this, starting with Order=1 and 
> continuing until the store closes. At the end of the day, Bob would 
> like to feed these tapes into his computer running Revolution and get 
> one "tape" of all his items, re-numbered sequentially.
>
> * Bob can't just tape them together (append them) because the Order 
> numbers would conflict. Each register starts numbering at "1" when the 
> store opens.
> * There will never be overlapping orders; only one cash register is 
> active at any given time. (Bob is a sole proprietor who runs from one 
> to the other.)
>
> My approach to this would be something like this:
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> "on mouseup"
> put tape A into XMLTree called aTree
> put tape B into XMLTree called bTree
> make a new, empty XML tree called combinedTree
>
> put the total number of orders in aTree into aOrders
> put the total number of orders in bTree into bOrders
>
> put 1 into newOrderNumber
> put 1 into aCompare
> put 1 into bCompare
>
> repeat while (aCompare <= aOrders) and (bCompare <= bOrders)
>
>    put the block of purchases related to order aCompare in aTree into 
> aBlock
>    put the block of purchases related to order bCompare in aTree into 
> bBlock
>
>    if the earliest DateTime in aBlock < the earliest DateTime in 
> bBlock, then
>        put aBlock after combinedTree
>        put newOrderNumber into the Order attribute for the Purchase 
> nodes of that block
>        increment newOrderNumber by 1
>        increment aCompare by 1
>    else
>        put bBlock after combinedTree
>        put newOrderNumber into the Order attribute for the Purchase 
> nodes of that block
>        increment newOrderNumber by 1
>        increment bCompare by 1
>    end if
>
>    if aCompare > aOrders then
>        put the rest of bTree after combinedTree
>        exit repeat
>    end if
>
>    if bCompare > bOrders then
>        put the rest of aTree after combinedTree
>        exit repeat
>    end if
>
> end repeat
> write out combinedTree
> "end mouseup"
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Ok, so I hope my "FunkyTalk" hyperscripting isn't too obscure.
>
> The problem is, I don't know how to manipulate blocks of XML like 
> this. Do I have to convert the whole XML file into some kind of table 
> first? Do I have to walk through each and every node and every 
> attribute? Is there nothing like "sort lines of foobar ascending by 
> item 5 of each?" Actually, I don't even know how to walk through the 
> nodes since the functions only seem to return the first instance...
>
> I really would like to do something like select/extract all the 
> Purchases where the Order ID = n and bring along all the related 
> attributed and child elements. But I haven't a clue how to do that.
>
> I've gotten as far as I have through reading the "XML Demo 1" stack 
> and "XML construction kit" but I've hit a wall now. Some helpful 
> advice would be very welcome... and posisbly helpful for other XML 
> newbies on the list.
>
> Bill
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
>
-----------------------------------------------------------
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$ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
$ true | cat /usr/manual | grep "John 3:16"
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten 
Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have 
everlasting life.
$



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From fde101 at fjrhome.net  Mon Dec 13 16:15:44 2004
From: fde101 at fjrhome.net (Frank D. Engel, Jr.)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 16:15:44 -0500
Subject: Connecting to PostGreSQL on same machine: Mac OSX
In-Reply-To: <B011AF04-4D43-11D9-9486-000A959D0AC6@hindu.org>
References: <3524FFC4-4C71-11D9-933E-0030654C1E62@realtorsgroup.us>
	<408B8BE0-4CA0-11D9-9486-000A959D0AC6@hindu.org>
	<FEA03B2B-4D2A-11D9-901F-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>
	<37EF7B50-4D37-11D9-9486-000A959D0AC6@hindu.org>
	<9DADC4A0-4D39-11D9-9486-000A959D0AC6@hindu.org>
	<153F0D1D-4D3C-11D9-901F-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>
	<B011AF04-4D43-11D9-9486-000A959D0AC6@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <26DE5620-4D4C-11D9-901F-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>

Actually, I could probably delete that line from mine and not miss it 
at all.  That line is for IPv6 addressing support.

The "local" line is to enable UNIX local domain sockets.

The first "host" line (the one before all the "ffff" stuff) is for the 
"localhost" address (which is typically implemented on a fake ethernet 
controller. referred to as a loopback device, independent of the actual 
ethernet card in your computer).

The second "host" line (with "ffff" stuff) is for the "localhost" 
address with IPv6 support.

The third "host" line is one which I added myself; this one supports 
access from the actual ethernet card (IPv4 addressing).  "host all all" 
should be as I have placed it here.  192.168.0.5 is the static IP 
address of my machine (but really any IP address known to be on your 
subnet should work fine), and "255.255.255.0" is the subnet mask of the 
machine.  "password" as opposed to "trust" means that a password should 
be required ("trust" assumes that everyone is being truthful and does 
not demand a password).


This info may be of interest to anyone trying to set up PostgreSQL:  to 
access PostgreSQL from Rev, you need TCP/IP to be enabled in 
postgresql.conf (tcpip_socket = true); you also need a line in 
pg_hba.conf which dictates how authentication should be handled; for 
local access, the defaults should be fine, except that after setting 
your database user 'postgres' password, you should really change 
"trust" to "password" everywhere.  As for network access, you need to 
add a line similar to the one I did, otherwise connections from across 
the network will not be accepted.  Of course, if you don't want others 
to access PostgreSQL on your machine from across the network, don't add 
that line.


And yes, for the problem you are describing, best to post it to a 
PostgreSQL mailing list or forum.  This is getting too far OT for this 
list.

On Dec 13, 2004, at 3:15 PM, Sivakatirswami wrote:

>
> I *had* deleted the line  with all the ffff:ffff:ffff:
>
> but.. seeing this.. I reinserted it..think, so, my pg_hba.conf looks 
> just like yours
>
>
-----------------------------------------------------------
Frank D. Engel, Jr.  <fde101 at fjrhome.net>

$ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
$ true | cat /usr/manual | grep "John 3:16"
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten 
Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have 
everlasting life.
$


-----------------------------------------------------------
Frank D. Engel, Jr.  <fde101 at fjrhome.net>

$ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
$ true | cat /usr/manual | grep "John 3:16"
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten 
Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have 
everlasting life.
$ 



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From dsc at swcp.com  Mon Dec 13 16:45:14 2004
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 14:45:14 -0700
Subject: parsing comments in scripts
In-Reply-To: <41BDFD32.1040102@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <BDE2FF78.AE3E%kray@sonsothunder.com>
	<3AA27189-4D22-11D9-82BC-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
	<41BDE1F2.5060902@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CDB3C6FE-4D3A-11D9-901F-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>
	<41BDFD32.1040102@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <45597EA8-4D50-11D9-82BC-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>


On Dec 13, 2004, at 1:36 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> The reason I use the top-comment disabling technique so much is 
> because I often write two or three different versions of a handler, 
> and then comment/uncomment them repeatedly until I decide which one I 
> want to use.

This has the advantage in that if you want to use a few lines from the 
disabled one to include in another one, you don't have to uncomment the 
lines.  My habit has been to select the entire handler and choose 
comment from the script menu; this has the problem that raided lines 
are commented.

I suppose one could put a back tick in front of the name, but it would 
have to be done at the end, also.

Dar

****************************************
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     http://www.swcp.com/dsc/
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From dsc at swcp.com  Mon Dec 13 16:49:23 2004
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 14:49:23 -0700
Subject: parsing comments in scripts
In-Reply-To: <41BDFD32.1040102@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <BDE2FF78.AE3E%kray@sonsothunder.com>
	<3AA27189-4D22-11D9-82BC-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
	<41BDE1F2.5060902@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CDB3C6FE-4D3A-11D9-901F-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>
	<41BDFD32.1040102@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <D9C2D8CC-4D50-11D9-82BC-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>


On Dec 13, 2004, at 1:36 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> Or perhaps we could simply choose "comment" from the menu, and it 
> would automatically comment out all the lines of whatever handler the 
> insertion point is currently in.

Whoops.  I didn't see that before I started harping on that idea.  
There is already a comment in the menu, so I was suggesting a separate 
menu item.

It has the advantage of being able to comment out a handler from near 
the end, especially if only the tail of the handler is showing in the 
window at the time.

Dar

****************************************
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     Programming Services
****************************************


From alex at tweedly.net  Mon Dec 13 17:25:02 2004
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 22:25:02 +0000
Subject: parsing comments in scripts
In-Reply-To: <598F00C4-4D4F-11D9-82BC-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
References: <197.340b1d6c.2eef55ca@aol.com>
 <197.340b1d6c.2eef55ca@aol.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20041213215905.028c8c98@mail.tweedly.net>

At 14:38 13/12/2004 -0700, Dar Scott wrote:


>On Dec 13, 2004, at 1:30 PM, Cubist at aol.com wrote:
>
>>>It may be that us old-timers have to evolve.
>>    I think I see a possible solution.
>
>The editor seems to know the limits of the handler (tab for formatting and 
>handler oriented editing), so it should be able to comment out a handler.

It does - in a fairly trivial way;
     --just do the current handler
     put word 2 of the selectedLine into tCurrentLine
     repeat with i = tCurrentLine down to 1
       if word 1 of line i of fld "script" is among the items of 
"on,setProp,getProp,function" then exit repeat
     end repeat


>   Maybe under the Script menu could be an item named Comment Handler.  If 
> a right click is added to the editor, then it could be there, too.

I think it could. The problem would be in commenting it back in again.

Of course, you could simply bail on that problem, and require the user to 
select the entire (commented) handler and select "un-comment" - but that 
requires the effort we said was undesirable (unacceptable) to comment it in 
the first place.

If you want the editor to have an "uncomment the entire handler" command, 
then it's going to need to look into comments, to see whether or not 
removing the leading comment indicator would leave a line which could then 
be a start / finish of a handler. Doesn't seem too bad to me - but I know 
there were concerns about the interpreter (now the editor) looking at 
comments and guessing about their meaning.

I think the failure modes here (at least, the ones I can think of) are 
fairly pathological; user comments out entire handler, then within that 
block partially removes a comment indicator such that the "uncomment" 
command selects the wrong start (or finish) line.

-- Alex.

From soapdog at mac.com  Mon Dec 13 18:03:28 2004
From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 21:03:28 -0200
Subject: test send
In-Reply-To: <7891FF46-4D20-11D9-8F8D-000A95743F7A@earthlink.net>
References: <7891FF46-4D20-11D9-8F8D-000A95743F7A@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <33A08604-4D5B-11D9-B496-0003936D012E@mac.com>


On Dec 13, 2004, at 2:03 PM, Mark Brownell wrote:

> testing, please ignore
>
> Mark
>

It worked but you can ignore this too! :D

andre


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From sarahr at genesearch.com.au  Mon Dec 13 18:36:32 2004
From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 09:36:32 +1000
Subject: Newbie XML Question
In-Reply-To: <001001c4e152$8107dac0$0c00000a@daedalus>
References: <20041213170022.B05449300E9@mail.runrev.com>
	<001001c4e152$8107dac0$0c00000a@daedalus>
Message-ID: <D2400BDD-4D5F-11D9-BB76-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au>

Hi Bill,

I think the easiest solution would be to include the register ID in the 
order number and then you can just append the 2 blocks of XML data.
e.g.   <Purchase Date="12/13/2004" Time="14:26:03" 
DateTime="20041213142603" Order="A1">

Cheers,
Sarah

On 14 Dec 2004, at 6:32 am, Bill Marriott wrote:

> Hi Everyone!
>
> I'm just warming up on the Revolution XML library, and I would love 
> the groups's input on how to handle a particular problem I'm trying to 
> figure out.
>
> Hypothetical Scenario:
>
> Bob runs a grocery store with two cash registers. Only one is running 
> at any given time. But sometimes he uses register A and sometimes he 
> uses register B. The registers happen to spit out receipts in XML. The 
> recipts look like this:
>
> <Register Station="A">
>    <Purchase Date="12/13/2004" Time="14:26:03" 
> DateTime="20041213142603" Order="1">
>        <Buyer CustomerID="1234" />
>        <Item UPC="04905004" Price="0.40"/>
>        <Description>Cherry Coca-Cola</Description>
>    </Purchase>
>    <Purchase Date="12/13/2004" Time="14:26:14" 
> DateTime="20041213142614" Order="1">
>        <Buyer CustomerID="1234" />
>        <Item UPC="03424005" Price="0.65"/>
>        <Description>Hershey's Chocolate Bar</Description>
>    </Purchase>
>    <Purchase Date="12/13/2004" Time="15:09:25" 
> DateTime="20041213150925" Order="2">
>        <Buyer CustomerID="4567" />
>        <Item UPC="02880125" Price="6.95"/>
>        <Description>Marlboro Cigarettes</Description>
>    </Purchase>
> </Register>
>
> In other words, Bob had two customers. The first customer bought two 
> items (Order 1), and the second customer bought one item (Order 2).
>
> Each register spits out a tape like this, starting with Order=1 and 
> continuing until the store closes. At the end of the day, Bob would 
> like to feed these tapes into his computer running Revolution and get 
> one "tape" of all his items, re-numbered sequentially.
>
> * Bob can't just tape them together (append them) because the Order 
> numbers would conflict. Each register starts numbering at "1" when the 
> store opens.
> * There will never be overlapping orders; only one cash register is 
> active at any given time. (Bob is a sole proprietor who runs from one 
> to the other.)
>
> My approach to this would be something like this:
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> "on mouseup"
> put tape A into XMLTree called aTree
> put tape B into XMLTree called bTree
> make a new, empty XML tree called combinedTree
>
> put the total number of orders in aTree into aOrders
> put the total number of orders in bTree into bOrders
>
> put 1 into newOrderNumber
> put 1 into aCompare
> put 1 into bCompare
>
> repeat while (aCompare <= aOrders) and (bCompare <= bOrders)
>
>    put the block of purchases related to order aCompare in aTree into 
> aBlock
>    put the block of purchases related to order bCompare in aTree into 
> bBlock
>
>    if the earliest DateTime in aBlock < the earliest DateTime in 
> bBlock, then
>        put aBlock after combinedTree
>        put newOrderNumber into the Order attribute for the Purchase 
> nodes of that block
>        increment newOrderNumber by 1
>        increment aCompare by 1
>    else
>        put bBlock after combinedTree
>        put newOrderNumber into the Order attribute for the Purchase 
> nodes of that block
>        increment newOrderNumber by 1
>        increment bCompare by 1
>    end if
>
>    if aCompare > aOrders then
>        put the rest of bTree after combinedTree
>        exit repeat
>    end if
>
>    if bCompare > bOrders then
>        put the rest of aTree after combinedTree
>        exit repeat
>    end if
>
> end repeat
> write out combinedTree
> "end mouseup"
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Ok, so I hope my "FunkyTalk" hyperscripting isn't too obscure.
>
> The problem is, I don't know how to manipulate blocks of XML like 
> this. Do I have to convert the whole XML file into some kind of table 
> first? Do I have to walk through each and every node and every 
> attribute? Is there nothing like "sort lines of foobar ascending by 
> item 5 of each?" Actually, I don't even know how to walk through the 
> nodes since the functions only seem to return the first instance...
>
> I really would like to do something like select/extract all the 
> Purchases where the Order ID = n and bring along all the related 
> attributed and child elements. But I haven't a clue how to do that.
>
> I've gotten as far as I have through reading the "XML Demo 1" stack 
> and "XML construction kit" but I've hit a wall now. Some helpful 
> advice would be very welcome... and posisbly helpful for other XML 
> newbies on the list.
>
> Bill
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
>
>


From erikhans08 at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 13 18:37:30 2004
From: erikhans08 at yahoo.com (Erik Hansen)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 15:37:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: In Search Of Negotiating CFP?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0412131148300.4832-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
Message-ID: <20041213233730.66496.qmail@web61204.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Judy Perry <jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu> wrote:

> I remember Lobachevsky:  plagiarize,
> plagiarize, plagiarize!
> 
> But, seriously, these days half the CFP I see
> in history and literature
> are along the lines of
> 
> "Cross-dressing Transgendered Trolls and
> multilayered identity in Beowulf."
 
whatis/are CFP?

thanks,

Erik Hansen

=====
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From tariel at mac.com  Mon Dec 13 18:50:57 2004
From: tariel at mac.com (Tariel Gogoberidze)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 18:50:57 -0500
Subject: parsing comments in scripts
In-Reply-To: <20041213140923.54C80930156@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BDE39511.712C%tariel@mac.com>

Sun, 12 Dec 2004 22:38:41 -0700 Dar Scott wrote:

> I am curious if others use the technique of commenting out a handler by
> commenting out the first line.  Maybe there is a way to rescue this
> kind of thing in a clean way.
> 
> Dar


I'm doing this for years and I guess I would have problems if this behavior
would be changed.

best
Tariel


From psahores at easynet.fr  Mon Dec 13 19:35:11 2004
From: psahores at easynet.fr (Pierre Sahores)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 01:35:11 +0100
Subject: Connecting to PostGreSQL on same machine: Mac OSX
In-Reply-To: <37EF7B50-4D37-11D9-9486-000A959D0AC6@hindu.org>
References: <3524FFC4-4C71-11D9-933E-0030654C1E62@realtorsgroup.us>
	<408B8BE0-4CA0-11D9-9486-000A959D0AC6@hindu.org>
	<FEA03B2B-4D2A-11D9-901F-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>
	<37EF7B50-4D37-11D9-9486-000A959D0AC6@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <0356CFE8-4D68-11D9-9B97-000A95C61E96@easynet.fr>

Hi Katir, Frank,...

Here are the pg conf files set of my OSX development box (PWB G4 1Ghz, 
768 Mo RAM, OSX 10.3.6) :

-------------- next part --------------


Best Regards, Pierre

Le 13 d?c. 04, ? 19:45, Sivakatirswami a ?crit :

> Frank, thanks for your patient responses
>
> Still no go..
>
> katir:~ postgres$ /usr/local/pgsql/bin/pg_ctl -D /usr/local/pgsql/data 
> -l logfile restart
>
> nothing happens, activity monitor doesn't show any start postgres 
> processes started.
>
> So, I'm stumped at this moment.
>
> Is there some other log that will tell give us any useful feed back on 
> what is happening.
>
> Pierre:  Yes, I suppose I could  do a complete re-install, but, since 
> two days ago I *was* able to start the server and all that I did in 
> the interim was to "touch" the pg_hba.conf and postgresql.conf files, 
> I *really* would like to fix this "manually" so that I get a grip on 
> the issues and not simply "quit" and start over again.  though, if 
> there is no definitive diagnostic then I may have not choice...
>
>
> In the meantime I'm logging into our new server in Connecticutt where 
> Postgres is running just fine and going through the tutorials via 
> ssh...  creating test data bases and doing my "homework." (I'll have 
> more to ask you about the rev ap server you installed after I get a 
> little deeper into it...)
>
> So, not having it running on my own machine is not a show stopper, 
> just a nuisance.. normally I would be doing this kind of  R & D during 
> hours when I am off line... now I have to do it during on-line hours= 
> "eats my day job time." i.e. the time when I should be working on web 
> design, content and team coordination etc.
>
> Pierre, perhaps you could email me off list your own pg_hba.conf and 
> postgresql.conf files that you are using on your OSX machine, I would 
> install those and see if it works
>
> Thanks!
> Sivakatirswami
> Himalayan Academy Publications
> at Kauai's Hindu Monastery
> katir at hindu.org
>
> www.HimalayanAcademy.com,
> www.HinduismToday.com
> www.Gurudeva.org
> www.Hindu.org
>
> On Dec 13, 2004, at 7:18 AM, Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote:
>
>> This is trying to connect to PostgreSQL through a UNIX domain socket 
>> rather than TCP/IP.  This should still be working, but if not, try a 
>> command like this:
>>
>> psql -h <hostname> -U <username> dbname
>>
>>
>>>
>>> So, no I cannot even start up the server at all.
>>
>> Did you check the activity monitor again to see if it was running or 
>> not?  The above given error message is a connectivity problem, any 
>> does not necessarily mean that the server is not running.
>
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From gizmotron at earthlink.net  Mon Dec 13 20:05:07 2004
From: gizmotron at earthlink.net (Mark Brownell)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 17:05:07 -0800
Subject: Newbie XML Question
In-Reply-To: <001001c4e152$8107dac0$0c00000a@daedalus>
Message-ID: <32014B6D-4D6C-11D9-AA35-000A95743F7A@earthlink.net>


On Monday, December 13, 2004, at 12:29 PM, Bill Marriott wrote:
>
>
> <Register Station="A">
>    <Purchase Date="12/13/2004" Time="14:26:03" 
> DateTime="20041213142603" Order="1">
>        <Buyer CustomerID="1234" />
>        <Item UPC="04905004" Price="0.40"/>
>        <Description>Cherry Coca-Cola</Description>
>    </Purchase>
>    <Purchase Date="12/13/2004" Time="14:26:14" 
> DateTime="20041213142614" Order="1">
>        <Buyer CustomerID="1234" />
>        <Item UPC="03424005" Price="0.65"/>
>        <Description>Hershey's Chocolate Bar</Description>
>    </Purchase>
>    <Purchase Date="12/13/2004" Time="15:09:25" 
> DateTime="20041213150925" Order="2">
>        <Buyer CustomerID="4567" />
>        <Item UPC="02880125" Price="6.95"/>
>        <Description>Marlboro Cigarettes</Description>
>    </Purchase>
> </Register>
>
> In other words, Bob had two customers. The first customer bought two 
> items (Order 1), and the second customer bought one item (Order 2).
>
> Each register spits out a tape like this, starting with Order=1 and 
> continuing until the store closes. At the end of the day, Bob would 
> like to feed these tapes into his computer running Revolution and get 
> one "tape" of all his items, re-numbered sequentially.
>
> * Bob can't just tape them together (append them) because the Order 
> numbers would conflict. Each register starts numbering at "1" when the 
> store opens.
> * There will never be overlapping orders; only one cash register is 
> active at any given time. (Bob is a sole proprietor who runs from one 
> to the other.)
>
[snip]
> The problem is, I don't know how to manipulate blocks of XML like 
> this. Do I have to convert the whole XML file into some kind of table 
> first? Do I have to walk through each and every node and every 
> attribute? Is there nothing like "sort lines of foobar ascending by 
> item 5 of each?" Actually, I don't even know how to walk through the 
> nodes since the functions only seem to return the first instance...
>
> I really would like to do something like select/extract all the 
> Purchases where the Order ID = n and bring along all the related 
> attributed and child elements. But I haven't a clue how to do that.
>
> I've gotten as far as I have through reading the "XML Demo 1" stack 
> and "XML construction kit" but I've hit a wall now. Some helpful 
> advice would be very welcome... and posisbly helpful for other XML 
> newbies on the list.
>
> Bill

Bill,

Being new here you would not know about my pull-parsers. This task of 
yours could be handled so easy with a pull parser. First of all you 
could create an array of purchase objects using my pull-parser function 
for creating an array out of multiple XML elements, in your case , 
purchases. So here it is done for you:

Step 1. put XML data of cash register a & cash register b into 
gBothXMLtapes ( field "stashHere" )

Step 2. Use my pull-parser functions to create one array of all 
purchase data (see functions below)
...paste the functions below into your application at some button 
before using them.

======== Use this in a button click:

-- Paste all this below into a button & use field "stashHere"  
--  to enter your XML & field "show" to see the results.

on mouseUp
   put the text of field "stashHere" into gBothXMLtapes
   put 1 into spot
   put "" into stashAttributesDT
   put "" into gTransXML
   put "<Purchase " into t1
   put "</Purchase>" into t2
   put "" into tempXML
   put getElementsArray(t1, t2, gBothXMLtapes) into bothTapesArray
   repeat
     put bothTapesArray[spot] into stashThis
     if stashThis = empty then exit repeat
     put getAttribute("DateTime", stashThis) into tAttributeDT
     delete char 1 to 8 of tAttributeDT
     put tAttributeDT & return after stashAttributesDT
     put "<" &  tAttributeDT & ">" into a1
     put "</" &  tAttributeDT & ">" into a2
     put a1 & t1 & stashThis & t2 & a2 into zapped
     put zapped & return after tempXML
     add 1 to spot
   end repeat
   sort lines of stashAttributesDT
   -- this sorting is the solution based on your XML and the use by two 
cash registers.
   put 1 into spot2
   put "<xml>"  & return into newXMLDoc
   repeat for each line X in stashAttributesDT
     put "<" & X & ">" into z1
     put "</" & X & ">" into z2
     put getElement(z1, z2, tempXML) into tXmlElement
     put return & tXmlElement & return after newXMLDoc
   end repeat
   put "</xml>"  & return after newXMLDoc
   put newXMLDoc into field "show"
end mouseUp

-- That's it. You now have a newly transformed single XML document 
based on the Date-Time attribute that -- will appear in the "show" text 
field.

-- I hope that helps, 

-- Mark

--===========================
--===========================

--Paste these functions:
-- put getElement("<record>", "</record>", tVar) into theElement
function getElement tStTag, tEdTag, stngToSch
   put empty into zapped
   put the number of chars in tStTag into dChars
   put offset(tStTag,stngToSch) into tNum1
   put offset(tEdTag,stngToSch) into tNum2
   if tNum1 < 1 then
     return "error"
     exit getElement
   end if
   if tNum2 < 1 then
     return "error"
     exit getElement
   end if
   put char (tNum1 + dChars) to (tNum2 - 1) of stngToSch into zapped
   return zapped
end getElement

-- put getAttribute("name", tVar) into theAttribute
function getAttribute tAttribute, strngToSearch
   put empty into zapA
   put quote into Qx
   if char 1 of tAttribute = space then
     put tAttribute & "=" & Qx into tAttributeX
   else
     put space & tAttribute & "=" & Qx into tAttributeX
   end if
   put the number of chars in tAttributeX into dChars
   put offset(tAttributeX,strngToSearch) into tNum1
   if tNum1 < 1 then
     return "error"
     exit getAttribute
   end if
   put tNum1 + dChars into tNumX
   put offset(Qx,strngToSearch,tNumX) into tNumZ
   if tNumX < 1 then
     return "error"
     exit getAttribute
   end if
   if tNumZ < 1 then
     return "error"
     exit getAttribute
   end if
   put char tNumX to (tNumX + (tNumZ - 1)) of strngToSearch into zapA
   return zapA
end getAttribute

-- put getElementsArray("<record>", "</record>", tVar) into theArray
function getElementsArray tStartTag, tEndTag, StringToSearch
   put empty into tArray
   put 0 into tStart1
   put 0 into tStart2
   put 1 into tElementNum
   put the number of chars in tStartTag into dChars
   repeat
     put offset(tStartTag,StringToSearch,tStart1) into tNum1
     put (tNum1 + tStart1) into tStart1
     if tNum1 < 1 then exit repeat
     put offset(tEndTag,StringToSearch,tStart2) into tNum2
     put (tNum2 + tStart2) into tStart2
     if tNum2 < 1 then exit repeat
     --if tNum2 < tNum1 then exit repeat
     put char (tStart1 + dChars) to (tStart2 - 1) of StringToSearch into 
zapped
     put zapped into tArray[tElementNum]
     add 1 to tElementNum
   end repeat
   return tArray
end getElementsArray


From wjm at wjm.org  Mon Dec 13 20:36:51 2004
From: wjm at wjm.org (Bill Marriott)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 20:36:51 -0500
Subject: use-revolution Digest, Vol 15, Issue 35
References: <20041213225847.70EF59300E4@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <000801c4e17d$62ebd200$0c00000a@daedalus>

"Frank D. Engel, Jr." <fde101 at fjrhome.net> writes:

> I would suggest creating a new tag and use it to encase all of the
> orders; something like this:

...

> Do that for each of the registers, then use Rev's XML library to parse
> it all together and to navigate the resulting XML trees, rather than
> trying to pull each of them individually out of the text.

I want to generate a file that looks like it was generated from a single 
register, with the order numbers in sequential order (renumbering them as 
necessary). And the "use Rev's XML Library to parse it all together..." is 
the part I'm seeking assistance with. I basically want to grab a whole 
section of Purchases based on the Order attribute and move them into a new 
tree. Bob and the grocery store don't exist, it's just an illustration.

Truth be told I could probably have written a plain old fashioned text 
parsing utility to do this but I wanted to do it the "right way" using the 
XML library.

Here's some examples of my frustration:

Let's look at the XML again:

<?xml version="1.0"?>
<Register Station="A">
    <Purchase Date="12/13/2004" Time="14:26:03" DateTime="20041213142603" 
Order="1">
        <Buyer CustomerID="1234" />
        <Item UPC="04905004" Price="0.40"/>
        <Description>Cherry Coca-Cola</Description>
    </Purchase>
    <Purchase Date="12/13/2004" Time="14:26:14" DateTime="20041213142614" 
Order="1">
        <Buyer CustomerID="1234" />
        <Item UPC="03424005" Price="0.65"/>
        <Description>Hershey's Chocolate Bar</Description>
    </Purchase>
    <Purchase Date="12/13/2004" Time="15:09:25" DateTime="20041213150925" 
Order="2">
        <Buyer CustomerID="4567" />
        <Item UPC="02880125" Price="6.95"/>
        <Description>Marlboro Cigarettes</Description>
    </Purchase>
</Register>

Suppose I load this into a Rev tree and it gets the ID 5280.

put revXMLNodeContents(5280,"Register/Purchase/Description")

yields "Cherry Coca-Cola" which is the first purchase. Now, what do I use to 
get the second one?

put revXMLChildContents(5280,"Register",tab,return,true,-1)

yields

Purchase[1]
Buyer[1]
Item[1]
Description[1] Cherry Coca-Cola
Purchase[2]
Buyer[1]
Item[1]
Description[1] Hershey's Chocolate Bar
Purchase[3]
Buyer[1]
Item[1]
Description[1] Marlboro Cigarettes

That's a good list of all the nodes, but I would still have to parse through 
it to build a table I could sort.

revXMLMatchingNode(5280,"Register","Purchase","Order",2,-1)

tells me,

/Register/Purchase[3]

which i could use in the command,

revXMLText(5280,"/Register/Purchase[3]")

to grab the whole of the third Purchase... but I cannot then say,

put revXMLMatchingNode(5280,"Register","Purchase","Order",1,-1)

and get a list of all the purchases related to Order #1. It yields only the 
first one. So how do I find the second and subsequent ones?

Thanks,
- Bill 


From sarahr at genesearch.com.au  Mon Dec 13 21:27:16 2004
From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 12:27:16 +1000
Subject: No mouseUp
In-Reply-To: <ACDE4B6A-4D3E-11D9-B6A4-000D933610BE@mac.com>
References: <ACDE4B6A-4D3E-11D9-B6A4-000D933610BE@mac.com>
Message-ID: <AC1F7DAE-4D77-11D9-BB76-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au>

> I have the following script in a List field and the mouseUp handler 
> doesn't work!  I noticed that it is the "set the dragData" line in the 
> mouseDown that disables the mouseUp.  Can someone please tell me 
> what's going on and how I can keep the mouseUp?
>
>
> on mouseDown
>   get the hilitedLines of me
>   set the dragData to line it of me
> end mouseDown
>
> on mouseUp
>   beep 2
> end mouseUp
>
Hi Roger,

I would guess that because you have started a drag operation, mouseUp 
is not going to happen. Try looking for a dragEnd message instead.

Sarah


From FMoyer at aol.com  Mon Dec 13 23:36:13 2004
From: FMoyer at aol.com (FMoyer at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 23:36:13 EST
Subject: mousedown situation
Message-ID: <191.347e7a30.2eefc7bd@aol.com>

Hi.

Am I missing something really elementary? Create a button with the following 
script:

on mousedown
     answer "Click OK only once to make this message disappear."
end mousedown

Try it. If you are running Panther, I bet you have to click "OK" twice. I 
understand that if you are running Jaguar, you need only click once.

If addition, put in the stack script:

on mousedown
    put "This message shouldn't show up."
end mousedown

Now try the button. If you have Panther, the first time you click the "OK", 
up comes "This message shouldn't show up." The stack is receiving that 
mousedown message.

I know I can solve this by just using "mouseup" in the button but for the 
application I'm designing, I need it to be mousedown. 

Any clues why this is happening? Thanks.

Fred Moyer

From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Tue Dec 14 00:15:21 2004
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 21:15:21 -0800 (PST)
Subject: In Search Of Negotiating CFP?
In-Reply-To: <20041213233730.66496.qmail@web61204.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0412132115050.26682-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

Sorry.

CFP = Call For Papers.

Judy

On Mon, 13 Dec 2004, Erik Hansen wrote:

>
> --- Judy Perry <jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu> wrote:
>
> > I remember Lobachevsky:  plagiarize,
> > plagiarize, plagiarize!
> >
> > But, seriously, these days half the CFP I see
> > in history and literature
> > are along the lines of
> >
> > "Cross-dressing Transgendered Trolls and
> > multilayered identity in Beowulf."
>
> whatis/are CFP?
>
> thanks,
>
> Erik Hansen
>
> =====
> erik at erikhansen.org    http://www.erikhansen.org
>
>
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From dsc at swcp.com  Tue Dec 14 01:29:49 2004
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 23:29:49 -0700
Subject: mousedown situation
In-Reply-To: <191.347e7a30.2eefc7bd@aol.com>
References: <191.347e7a30.2eefc7bd@aol.com>
Message-ID: <8E62648D-4D99-11D9-82BC-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>


On Dec 13, 2004, at 9:36 PM, FMoyer at aol.com wrote:

> on mousedown
>      answer "Click OK only once to make this message disappear."
> end mousedown

Hmmm.  It looks as though there is some unfinished business at the 
button.  It is probably merrily getting mouseStillDown messages and 
doesn't see the mouse is up.

I guess one click on the dialog window clears that or changes 
something.  The second click then works.

You might be able to work around this if you use your own stack for the 
dialog or make a group visible.

Hmmm.  Wimpy advice.  That's all I have.

Dar Scott

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From wjm at wjm.org  Tue Dec 14 07:17:17 2004
From: wjm at wjm.org (Bill Marriott)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 07:17:17 -0500
Subject: Newbie XML Question 
References: <20041213225847.70EF59300E4@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <003501c4e1d6$da9ed5f0$0c00000a@daedalus>

[reposted to fix the subject line and keep the thread together]

"Frank D. Engel, Jr." <fde101 at fjrhome.net> writes:

> I would suggest creating a new tag and use it to encase all of the
> orders; something like this:

...

> Do that for each of the registers, then use Rev's XML library to parse
> it all together and to navigate the resulting XML trees, rather than
> trying to pull each of them individually out of the text.

I want to generate a file that looks like it was generated from a single
register, with the order numbers in sequential order (renumbering them as
necessary). And the "use Rev's XML Library to parse it all together..." is
the part I'm seeking assistance with. I basically want to grab a whole
section of Purchases based on the Order attribute and move them into a new
tree. Bob and the grocery store don't exist, it's just an illustration.

Truth be told I could probably have written a plain old fashioned text
parsing utility to do this but I wanted to do it the "right way" using the
XML library.

Here's some examples of my frustration:

Let's look at the XML again:

<?xml version="1.0"?>
<Register Station="A">
    <Purchase Date="12/13/2004" Time="14:26:03" DateTime="20041213142603" 
Order="1">
        <Buyer CustomerID="1234" />
        <Item UPC="04905004" Price="0.40"/>
        <Description>Cherry Coca-Cola</Description>
    </Purchase>
    <Purchase Date="12/13/2004" Time="14:26:14" DateTime="20041213142614" 
Order="1">
        <Buyer CustomerID="1234" />
        <Item UPC="03424005" Price="0.65"/>
        <Description>Hershey's Chocolate Bar</Description>
    </Purchase>
    <Purchase Date="12/13/2004" Time="15:09:25" DateTime="20041213150925" 
Order="2">
        <Buyer CustomerID="4567" />
        <Item UPC="02880125" Price="6.95"/>
        <Description>Marlboro Cigarettes</Description>
    </Purchase>
</Register>

Suppose I load this into a Rev tree and it gets the ID 5280.

put revXMLNodeContents(5280,"Register/Purchase/Description")

yields "Cherry Coca-Cola" which is the first purchase. Now, what do I use to
get the second one?

put revXMLChildContents(5280,"Register",tab,return,true,-1)

yields

Purchase[1]
Buyer[1]
Item[1]
Description[1] Cherry Coca-Cola
Purchase[2]
Buyer[1]
Item[1]
Description[1] Hershey's Chocolate Bar
Purchase[3]
Buyer[1]
Item[1]
Description[1] Marlboro Cigarettes

That's a good list of all the nodes, but I would still have to parse through
it to build a table I could sort.

revXMLMatchingNode(5280,"Register","Purchase","Order",2,-1)

tells me,

/Register/Purchase[3]

which i could use in the command,

revXMLText(5280,"/Register/Purchase[3]")

to grab the whole of the third Purchase... but I cannot then say,

put revXMLMatchingNode(5280,"Register","Purchase","Order",1,-1)

and get a list of all the purchases related to Order #1. It yields only the
first one. So how do I find the second and subsequent ones?

Thanks,
- Bill


From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net  Tue Dec 14 09:13:34 2004
From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 09:13:34 -0500
Subject: mousedown situation
In-Reply-To: <8E62648D-4D99-11D9-82BC-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
References: <191.347e7a30.2eefc7bd@aol.com>
	<8E62648D-4D99-11D9-82BC-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <572C4A6C-4DDA-11D9-8958-000A95DA60FA@adelphia.net>

I had this happen to me. After you build the app does it work correctly?

In Panther "sometimes" one click is needed to bring a dialog to the 
foreground and then a second click goes to the button in other 
applications. It doesn't happen all of the time for me but certain apps 
do it.

Build the app and see if it still happens.

Tom

On Dec 14, 2004, at 1:29 AM, Dar Scott wrote:

>
> On Dec 13, 2004, at 9:36 PM, FMoyer at aol.com wrote:
>
>> on mousedown
>>      answer "Click OK only once to make this message disappear."
>> end mousedown
>
> Hmmm.  It looks as though there is some unfinished business at the 
> button.  It is probably merrily getting mouseStillDown messages and 
> doesn't see the mouse is up.
>
> I guess one click on the dialog window clears that or changes 
> something.  The second click then works.
>
> You might be able to work around this if you use your own stack for 
> the dialog or make a group visible.
>
> Hmmm.  Wimpy advice.  That's all I have.
>
> Dar Scott
>
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From fde101 at fjrhome.net  Tue Dec 14 09:40:33 2004
From: fde101 at fjrhome.net (Frank D. Engel, Jr.)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 09:40:33 -0500
Subject: use-revolution Digest, Vol 15, Issue 35
In-Reply-To: <000801c4e17d$62ebd200$0c00000a@daedalus>
References: <20041213225847.70EF59300E4@mail.runrev.com>
	<000801c4e17d$62ebd200$0c00000a@daedalus>
Message-ID: <1C3E0467-4DDE-11D9-8BF1-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>

Oh, ok.

Using your example from below then, the tree would look something like 
this:

                                        <Register>
                                 /          |           \
                            /               |                 \
                     /                      |                        \
                /                           |                            
  \
         <Purchase>                     <Purchase>                       
<Purchase>
      /     |       \               /      |       \                   / 
   |       \
<Buyer> <Item> <Description>   <Buyer> <Item> <Description>     <Buyer> 
<Item> <Description>


Note: use a fixed-width font such as Courier or Monaco to view the 
above tree "graphic", and please excuse the roughness of the image ;-)

"Register" is the root of the XML tree.  "Purchase" nodes are siblings 
of each other, and children of the "Register" node.  Similarly, 
"Buyer", "Item" and "Description", within a single "Purchase" node, are 
siblings of each other, and children of the parent "Purchase" node.

The XML functions you need are as follows:

Use revXMLRootNode to get the root "Register" node of the tree.

Use revXMLFirstChild to get the first child node of any particular 
node.  In the case of the root "Register" node, that would be the first 
"Purchase" node.  In the case of any particular "Purchase" node, it 
would be a "Buyer", "Item", or "Description" node (I do not think you 
are guaranteed the order in which siblings will be placed within the 
tree, so best to assume they could come in any order).

Use revXMLNextSibling to get the next sibling of a node.  So for a 
"Purchase" node, this would give you another "Purchase" node.  For a 
"Buyer", "Item" or "Description" node, this would give you one of the 
other two.


Within a node, use revXMLAttribute or revXMLAttributes to retrieve one 
or more attributes of the node, and use revXMLNodeContents to retrieve 
the contents of the node (the text between tags).

When you are finished with an XML tree, don't forget to free up the 
memory it uses by calling revDeleteXMLTree!


On Dec 13, 2004, at 8:36 PM, Bill Marriott wrote:

> "Frank D. Engel, Jr." <fde101 at fjrhome.net> writes:
>
>> I would suggest creating a new tag and use it to encase all of the
>> orders; something like this:
>
> ...
>
>> Do that for each of the registers, then use Rev's XML library to parse
>> it all together and to navigate the resulting XML trees, rather than
>> trying to pull each of them individually out of the text.
>
> I want to generate a file that looks like it was generated from a 
> single register, with the order numbers in sequential order 
> (renumbering them as necessary). And the "use Rev's XML Library to 
> parse it all together..." is the part I'm seeking assistance with. I 
> basically want to grab a whole section of Purchases based on the Order 
> attribute and move them into a new tree. Bob and the grocery store 
> don't exist, it's just an illustration.
>
> Truth be told I could probably have written a plain old fashioned text 
> parsing utility to do this but I wanted to do it the "right way" using 
> the XML library.
>
> Here's some examples of my frustration:
>
> Let's look at the XML again:
>
> <?xml version="1.0"?>
> <Register Station="A">
>    <Purchase Date="12/13/2004" Time="14:26:03" 
> DateTime="20041213142603" Order="1">
>        <Buyer CustomerID="1234" />
>        <Item UPC="04905004" Price="0.40"/>
>        <Description>Cherry Coca-Cola</Description>
>    </Purchase>
>    <Purchase Date="12/13/2004" Time="14:26:14" 
> DateTime="20041213142614" Order="1">
>        <Buyer CustomerID="1234" />
>        <Item UPC="03424005" Price="0.65"/>
>        <Description>Hershey's Chocolate Bar</Description>
>    </Purchase>
>    <Purchase Date="12/13/2004" Time="15:09:25" 
> DateTime="20041213150925" Order="2">
>        <Buyer CustomerID="4567" />
>        <Item UPC="02880125" Price="6.95"/>
>        <Description>Marlboro Cigarettes</Description>
>    </Purchase>
> </Register>
>
> Suppose I load this into a Rev tree and it gets the ID 5280.
>
> put revXMLNodeContents(5280,"Register/Purchase/Description")
>
> yields "Cherry Coca-Cola" which is the first purchase. Now, what do I 
> use to get the second one?
>
> put revXMLChildContents(5280,"Register",tab,return,true,-1)
>
> yields
>
> Purchase[1]
> Buyer[1]
> Item[1]
> Description[1] Cherry Coca-Cola
> Purchase[2]
> Buyer[1]
> Item[1]
> Description[1] Hershey's Chocolate Bar
> Purchase[3]
> Buyer[1]
> Item[1]
> Description[1] Marlboro Cigarettes
>
> That's a good list of all the nodes, but I would still have to parse 
> through it to build a table I could sort.
>
> revXMLMatchingNode(5280,"Register","Purchase","Order",2,-1)
>
> tells me,
>
> /Register/Purchase[3]
>
> which i could use in the command,
>
> revXMLText(5280,"/Register/Purchase[3]")
>
> to grab the whole of the third Purchase... but I cannot then say,
>
> put revXMLMatchingNode(5280,"Register","Purchase","Order",1,-1)
>
> and get a list of all the purchases related to Order #1. It yields 
> only the first one. So how do I find the second and subsequent ones?
>
> Thanks,
> - Bill
> _______________________________________________
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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>
>
-----------------------------------------------------------
Frank D. Engel, Jr.  <fde101 at fjrhome.net>

$ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
$ true | cat /usr/manual | grep "John 3:16"
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten 
Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have 
everlasting life.
$

From padawer at mindspring.com  Tue Dec 14 09:46:11 2004
From: padawer at mindspring.com (Randy Padawer)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 07:46:11 -0700
Subject: help need to "read from file until xxxx OR yyyy OR zzzz"
In-Reply-To: <20041213000551.0FC439301C7@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20041213000551.0FC439301C7@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <p06200700bde4abd1705c@[192.168.2.2]>

Thanks for the comments. Well, the problem with reading the whole 
file at once is that some of these files can indeed be huge -- 
several megabytes. Here's what I'm doing... The text file is made up 
of many individual emails concatenated end-to-end. Since the emails 
may have originated from different ISP accounts, they may use 
different delimeters, i.e., ">From " or "X-Message-Info: " or 
"Return-Path: <" or "From ???@???". I have written a simple program 
that will separate the huge file back into individual text files, one 
for each email. It works well if the email is from a single account 
(with its unique delimeter). However if, say, Apple's mail.app is 
pulling mail from multiple accounts, I can't "read from" any of those 
delimeters. Can I do the regex routine (something I don't quite yet 
understand... but will soon!) on a file I've not wholly read? Thanks 
again for your great help. -- Randy

From fde101 at fjrhome.net  Tue Dec 14 10:13:53 2004
From: fde101 at fjrhome.net (Frank D. Engel, Jr.)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 10:13:53 -0500
Subject: help need to "read from file until xxxx OR yyyy OR zzzz"
In-Reply-To: <p06200700bde4abd1705c@[192.168.2.2]>
References: <20041213000551.0FC439301C7@mail.runrev.com>
	<p06200700bde4abd1705c@[192.168.2.2]>
Message-ID: <C431E9D6-4DE2-11D9-8BF1-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>

You should be able to read in an entire file of even several hundred 
megabytes, assuming the rest of the data you have in memory is not too 
excessively large.  Most 32-bit operating systems leave a virtual 
address space of just under 2GB for each program.  In that 2GB you fit 
your application program, some shared library code, the heap and stack 
space, etc. -- but there should still be more than 1GB for your data.

Even if your computer only has 128MB of RAM, with modern hard drives 
and virtual memory architecture...  I'd figure on being able to handle 
files of around 200MB on smaller semi-modern systems, maybe as big as 
1GB or more on high-end systems, while loading the whole thing into 
RAM.

Note that this may vary somewhat depending on the operating system you 
target.

As far as using RegEx, you could only use it on the portion of the file 
loaded into memory.  You might consider doing that, and realize that if 
there is no match, then you only have a part of the block in memory, so 
read some more and try again...

On Dec 14, 2004, at 9:46 AM, Randy Padawer wrote:

> Thanks for the comments. Well, the problem with reading the whole file 
> at once is that some of these files can indeed be huge -- several 
> megabytes. Here's what I'm doing... The text file is made up of many 
> individual emails concatenated end-to-end. Since the emails may have 
> originated from different ISP accounts, they may use different 
> delimeters, i.e., ">From " or "X-Message-Info: " or "Return-Path: <" 
> or "From ???@???". I have written a simple program that will separate 
> the huge file back into individual text files, one for each email. It 
> works well if the email is from a single account (with its unique 
> delimeter). However if, say, Apple's mail.app is pulling mail from 
> multiple accounts, I can't "read from" any of those delimeters. Can I 
> do the regex routine (something I don't quite yet understand... but 
> will soon!) on a file I've not wholly read? Thanks again for your 
> great help. -- Randy
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
>
-----------------------------------------------------------
Frank D. Engel, Jr.  <fde101 at fjrhome.net>

$ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
$ true | cat /usr/manual | grep "John 3:16"
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten 
Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have 
everlasting life.
$



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From revlist at cableone.net  Tue Dec 14 11:29:32 2004
From: revlist at cableone.net (Chris Sheffield)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 09:29:32 -0700
Subject: revCopyFolder problems in Rev 2.5
Message-ID: <000301c4e1fa$17d47650$64fea8c0@chris1>

Does anyone know if revCopyFolder is broken in Rev 2.5 build 2?  I'm having
problems with it.  Calling "the result" right after it returns "execution
error".  If I revert back to Rev 2.2 it works fine.  Anyone else had
problems with this?

Thanks,

Chris Sheffield
Software Development
Read Naturally



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From dsc at swcp.com  Tue Dec 14 12:00:33 2004
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 10:00:33 -0700
Subject: help need to "read from file until xxxx OR yyyy OR zzzz"
In-Reply-To: <p06200700bde4abd1705c@[192.168.2.2]>
References: <20041213000551.0FC439301C7@mail.runrev.com>
	<p06200700bde4abd1705c@[192.168.2.2]>
Message-ID: <AAE3E9FC-4DF1-11D9-A82F-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>

See Frank's comments on reading in the file whole.

On Dec 14, 2004, at 7:46 AM, Randy Padawer wrote:

> Can I do the regex routine (something I don't quite yet understand... 
> but will soon!) on a file I've not wholly read?

Yes.

Maybe something like this:

Start with an empty line accumulator.
Repeat
   Read in a line.  (exit if you can't)
   If it is a delimiter line then
       Process the accumulated lines
       put the current line into the accumulator
   else
       put the current line after the accumulator


You can use regex for the delimiter line match or you can make your own 
function that uses contains.

I made some assumptions.  You might have to fiddle with what to do with 
the first one.

I haven't tried it, but you might run into some problems reading some 
fixed number of chars on a file open for text.

Dar Scott
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From gizmotron at earthlink.net  Tue Dec 14 12:18:05 2004
From: gizmotron at earthlink.net (Mark Brownell)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 09:18:05 -0800
Subject: Newbie XML Question
In-Reply-To: <001001c4e152$8107dac0$0c00000a@daedalus>
Message-ID: <1DF33162-4DF4-11D9-B296-000A95743F7A@earthlink.net>

On Monday, December 13, 2004, at 12:29 PM, Bill Marriott wrote:
>
>
> <Register Station="A">
>    <Purchase Date="12/13/2004" Time="14:26:03" 
> DateTime="20041213142603" Order="1">
>        <Buyer CustomerID="1234" />
>        <Item UPC="04905004" Price="0.40"/>
>        <Description>Cherry Coca-Cola</Description>
>    </Purchase>
>    <Purchase Date="12/13/2004" Time="14:26:14" 
> DateTime="20041213142614" Order="1">
>        <Buyer CustomerID="1234" />
>        <Item UPC="03424005" Price="0.65"/>
>        <Description>Hershey's Chocolate Bar</Description>
>    </Purchase>
>    <Purchase Date="12/13/2004" Time="15:09:25" 
> DateTime="20041213150925" Order="2">
>        <Buyer CustomerID="4567" />
>        <Item UPC="02880125" Price="6.95"/>
>        <Description>Marlboro Cigarettes</Description>
>    </Purchase>
> </Register>
>
> In other words, Bob had two customers. The first customer bought two 
> items (Order 1), and the second customer bought one item (Order 2).
>
> Each register spits out a tape like this, starting with Order=1 and 
> continuing until the store closes. At the end of the day, Bob would 
> like to feed these tapes into his computer running Revolution and get 
> one "tape" of all his items, re-numbered sequentially.
>
> * Bob can't just tape them together (append them) because the Order 
> numbers would conflict. Each register starts numbering at "1" when the 
> store opens.
> * There will never be overlapping orders; only one cash register is 
> active at any given time. (Bob is a sole proprietor who runs from one 
> to the other.)
>
[snip]
> The problem is, I don't know how to manipulate blocks of XML like 
> this. Do I have to convert the whole XML file into some kind of table 
> first? Do I have to walk through each and every node and every 
> attribute? Is there nothing like "sort lines of foobar ascending by 
> item 5 of each?" Actually, I don't even know how to walk through the 
> nodes since the functions only seem to return the first instance...
>
> I really would like to do something like select/extract all the 
> Purchases where the Order ID = n and bring along all the related 
> attributed and child elements. But I haven't a clue how to do that.
>
> I've gotten as far as I have through reading the "XML Demo 1" stack 
> and "XML construction kit" but I've hit a wall now. Some helpful 
> advice would be very welcome... and posisbly helpful for other XML 
> newbies on the list.
>
> Bill

Bill,

I'm having trouble posting to the list?

Being new here you would not know about my pull-parsers. This task of 
yours could be handled so easy with a pull parser. First of all you 
could create an array of purchase objects using my pull-parser function 
for creating an array out of multiple XML elements, in your case , 
purchases. So here it is done for you:

Step 1. put XML data of cash register a & cash register b into 
gBothXMLtapes ( field "stashHere" )

Step 2. Use my pull-parser functions to create one array of all 
purchase data (see functions below)
...paste the functions below into your application at some button 
before using them.

======== Use this in a button click:

-- Paste all this below into a button & use field "stashHere"  --  to 
enter your XML & field "show" to see the results.

on mouseUp
   put the text of field "stashHere" into gBothXMLtapes
   put 1 into spot
   put "" into stashAttributesDT
   put "" into gTransXML
   put "<Purchase " into t1
   put "</Purchase>" into t2
   put "" into tempXML
   put getElementsArray(t1, t2, gBothXMLtapes) into bothTapesArray
   repeat
     put bothTapesArray[spot] into stashThis
     if stashThis = empty then exit repeat
     put getAttribute("DateTime", stashThis) into tAttributeDT
     delete char 1 to 8 of tAttributeDT
     put tAttributeDT & return after stashAttributesDT
     put "<" &  tAttributeDT & ">" into a1
     put "</" &  tAttributeDT & ">" into a2
     put a1 & t1 & stashThis & t2 & a2 into zapped
     put zapped & return after tempXML
     add 1 to spot
   end repeat
   sort lines of stashAttributesDT
   -- this sorting is the solution based on your XML and the use by two 
cash registers.
   put 1 into spot2
   put "<xml>"  & return into newXMLDoc
   repeat for each line X in stashAttributesDT
     put "<" & X & ">" into z1
     put "</" & X & ">" into z2
     put getElement(z1, z2, tempXML) into tXmlElement
     put return & tXmlElement & return after newXMLDoc
   end repeat
   put "</xml>"  & return after newXMLDoc
   put newXMLDoc into field "show"
end mouseUp

-- That's it. You now have a newly transformed single XML document 
based on the Date-Time attribute that -- will appear in the "show" text 
field.

-- I hope that helps, -- Mark

--===========================
--===========================

--Paste these functions:
-- put getElement("<record>", "</record>", tVar) into theElement
function getElement tStTag, tEdTag, stngToSch
   put empty into zapped
   put the number of chars in tStTag into dChars
   put offset(tStTag,stngToSch) into tNum1
   put offset(tEdTag,stngToSch) into tNum2
   if tNum1 < 1 then
     return "error"
     exit getElement
   end if
   if tNum2 < 1 then
     return "error"
     exit getElement
   end if
   put char (tNum1 + dChars) to (tNum2 - 1) of stngToSch into zapped
   return zapped
end getElement

-- put getAttribute("name", tVar) into theAttribute
function getAttribute tAttribute, strngToSearch
   put empty into zapA
   put quote into Qx
   if char 1 of tAttribute = space then
     put tAttribute & "=" & Qx into tAttributeX
   else
     put space & tAttribute & "=" & Qx into tAttributeX
   end if
   put the number of chars in tAttributeX into dChars
   put offset(tAttributeX,strngToSearch) into tNum1
   if tNum1 < 1 then
     return "error"
     exit getAttribute
   end if
   put tNum1 + dChars into tNumX
   put offset(Qx,strngToSearch,tNumX) into tNumZ
   if tNumX < 1 then
     return "error"
     exit getAttribute
   end if
   if tNumZ < 1 then
     return "error"
     exit getAttribute
   end if
   put char tNumX to (tNumX + (tNumZ - 1)) of strngToSearch into zapA
   return zapA
end getAttribute

-- put getElementsArray("<record>", "</record>", tVar) into theArray
function getElementsArray tStartTag, tEndTag, StringToSearch
   put empty into tArray
   put 0 into tStart1
   put 0 into tStart2
   put 1 into tElementNum
   put the number of chars in tStartTag into dChars
   repeat
     put offset(tStartTag,StringToSearch,tStart1) into tNum1
     put (tNum1 + tStart1) into tStart1
     if tNum1 < 1 then exit repeat
     put offset(tEndTag,StringToSearch,tStart2) into tNum2
     put (tNum2 + tStart2) into tStart2
     if tNum2 < 1 then exit repeat
     --if tNum2 < tNum1 then exit repeat
     put char (tStart1 + dChars) to (tStart2 - 1) of StringToSearch into 
zapped
     put zapped into tArray[tElementNum]
     add 1 to tElementNum
   end repeat
   return tArray
end getElementsArray


From irog at mac.com  Tue Dec 14 12:21:16 2004
From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 09:21:16 -0800
Subject: No mouseUp
In-Reply-To: <20041214154716.AA09C930129@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20041214154716.AA09C930129@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <90119604-4DF4-11D9-BB14-000D933610BE@mac.com>


On Dec 14, 2004, at 7:47 AM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com 
wrote:

> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 12:27:16 +1000
> From: Sarah Reichelt <sarahr at genesearch.com.au>
> Subject: Re: No mouseUp
> To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Message-ID: <AC1F7DAE-4D77-11D9-BB76-0003937A97B8 at genesearch.com.au>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
>
>> I have the following script in a List field and the mouseUp handler
>> doesn't work!  I noticed that it is the "set the dragData" line in the
>> mouseDown that disables the mouseUp.  Can someone please tell me
>> what's going on and how I can keep the mouseUp?
>>
>>
>> on mouseDown
>>   get the hilitedLines of me
>>   set the dragData to line it of me
>> end mouseDown
>>
>> on mouseUp
>>   beep 2
>> end mouseUp
>>
> Hi Roger,
>
> I would guess that because you have started a drag operation, mouseUp
> is not going to happen. Try looking for a dragEnd message instead.
>
> Sarah

Hello Sarah,

Thanks for responding.  Unfortunately, dragEnd does not work.  I also 
tried dragLeave and it works OK as a replacement for mouseUp.  but it 
also works when in the process of dragging as you would expect.  I 
really need to work this out as my app requires both drag and drop and 
mouseUp events.  Any other suggestions or work-around?

Thanks very much, Roger


From gizmotron at earthlink.net  Tue Dec 14 12:31:14 2004
From: gizmotron at earthlink.net (Mark Brownell)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 09:31:14 -0800
Subject: Newbie XML Question 
In-Reply-To: <003501c4e1d6$da9ed5f0$0c00000a@daedalus>
Message-ID: <F480F3C4-4DF5-11D9-B296-000A95743F7A@earthlink.net>


On Tuesday, December 14, 2004, at 04:17 AM, Bill Marriott wrote:

> I want to generate a file that looks like it was generated from a 
> single
> register, with the order numbers in sequential order (renumbering them 
> as
> necessary). And the "use Rev's XML Library to parse it all 
> together..." is
> the part I'm seeking assistance with. I basically want to grab a whole
> section of Purchases based on the Order attribute and move them into a 
> new
> tree. Bob and the grocery store don't exist, it's just an illustration.

In my post from last night I did not know you wanted to change the 
order numbers. That could be achieved using the replace function. You 
still need to sort by the DateTime attribute you now need to add order 
number groupings that fit the DateTime sort. You will have to test for 
when a purchase has a next higher number and repeat while the order 
number is the same. I would add two globals that start at 1 for each 
and step upward one step at a time. I would then use replace to fix it.

put "Order=" & quote & gRegister1 & quote into newOrderNum

replace oldOrderNumAttribute with newOrderNum in tXmlElement

HTH,

Mark


From klaus at major-k.de  Tue Dec 14 12:39:20 2004
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 18:39:20 +0100
Subject: ZIP on OS X
Message-ID: <15DB1E60-4DF7-11D9-BBD2-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>

Hi friends,

i know this has been discussed before, but if i remember right
with no really satisfying results...

Does anyobody know if we can compress (zip, gz or whatever) an 
application
bundle on OS X via "shell", just like the OS does via the context-menu 
in the finder?

If yes, a little hint to the syntax will be appreciated...


Thanks a lot in advance.


Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de


P.S.
I found and tried "ditto" in the terminal:

  ditto --rsrc weihnachtsbaum.app weihn.cpio

but the resulting file "weihn.cpio" is exactly the same appbundle as 
the original package,
even the size is identical... Nothing to see of any kind of 
compression...?

Tried:

  ditto -c --rsrc weihnachtsbaum.app weihnachten.zip

results in the "weihanchten.zip" file, but is still as big as the 
original...

What the heck are the correct flags to compress and decompress via 
"ditto"? :-)


From gregory.lypny at videotron.ca  Tue Dec 14 12:41:33 2004
From: gregory.lypny at videotron.ca (Gregory Lypny)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 12:41:33 -0500
Subject: Word keyword
Message-ID: <6587057B-4DF7-11D9-8A04-000D9350C9C2@videotron.ca>

Hello everyone,

Having a bit of a problem with the Word keyword.  I have data in a 
field delimited by multiple spaces, for example, "1234453         blah  
     789    stop".   When I execute the handler

put the second word of field "Data"

I get not just "blah" but all of the spaces that precede it!  Is this a 
bug or am I doing something wrong?

	Greg


From dsc at swcp.com  Tue Dec 14 12:47:06 2004
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 10:47:06 -0700
Subject: help need to "read from file until xxxx OR yyyy OR zzzz"
In-Reply-To: <p06200700bde4abd1705c@[192.168.2.2]>
References: <20041213000551.0FC439301C7@mail.runrev.com>
	<p06200700bde4abd1705c@[192.168.2.2]>
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On Dec 14, 2004, at 7:46 AM, Randy Padawer wrote:

> The text file is made up of many individual emails concatenated 
> end-to-end.

Rather than parsing on the lead line, maybe you can parse on the email 
format.  Something like this, only in regex?

Optional blank lines
Start of capture for single email
    Some non-blank lines
    Blank line
    Obtional lines
End of capture
    dot line
Start of capture for rest of emails
    blah-blah
    end of file
End of capture

If the file is long, the second capture might be slow.  You might want 
to consider matchChunk instead of matchText and match on either a 
single char or the end.  That would get you the char position of the 
end.  It might be possible to capture nothing.

If you want the dot line in the mail, just move the end of capture.

This might have problems with some special cases such as an empty body; 
you might have to look at the syntax for that.

You can read the file in binary and do parsing on cr lf lines and then 
convert to your platform, if you want.

Dar Scott

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From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Tue Dec 14 12:48:50 2004
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 09:48:50 -0800
Subject: ZIP on OS X
In-Reply-To: <15DB1E60-4DF7-11D9-BBD2-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>
References: <15DB1E60-4DF7-11D9-BBD2-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <69C1D02A-4DF8-11D9-B0D3-000D9337CDC8@mangomultimedia.com>

On Dec 14, 2004, at 9:39 AM, Klaus Major wrote:

> Hi friends,

Hi Klaus.

> i know this has been discussed before, but if i remember right
> with no really satisfying results...
>
> Does anyobody know if we can compress (zip, gz or whatever) an 
> application
> bundle on OS X via "shell", just like the OS does via the context-menu 
> in the finder?
>
> If yes, a little hint to the syntax will be appreciated...
>
> [snip]
> I found and tried "ditto" in the terminal:
>
>  ditto --rsrc weihnachtsbaum.app weihn.cpio
>
> but the resulting file "weihn.cpio" is exactly the same appbundle as 
> the original package,
> even the size is identical... Nothing to see of any kind of 
> compression...?
>
> Tried:
>
>  ditto -c --rsrc weihnachtsbaum.app weihnachten.zip
>
> results in the "weihanchten.zip" file, but is still as big as the 
> original...
>
> What the heck are the correct flags to compress and decompress via 
> "ditto"? :-)

This worked for me.  Took a 60KB file down to 28KB.

ditto -c -k -X --rsrc RevolutionScreenSnapz001.pdf test.zip

-X keeps the archive from descending into directories that have a 
different device ID and -k signifies a PKZip archive as opposed to a 
CPIO archive.


-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Multimedia
trevor at mangomultimedia.com


From James.Cass at sealedair.com  Tue Dec 14 12:54:49 2004
From: James.Cass at sealedair.com (James.Cass at sealedair.com)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 12:54:49 -0500
Subject: ZIP on OS X
In-Reply-To: <15DB1E60-4DF7-11D9-BBD2-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <OF73F35484.6B0364F6-ON85256F6A.00620DF3-85256F6A.0062939C@sealedair.com>

Klaus -

Take a look at the man for gzip and gunzip.  You also might want to try an 
"apropos zip" to get a list a "zip" related shell items.

Cheers...James





Klaus Major <klaus at major-k.de>
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12/14/04 12:39 PM
Please respond to How to use Revolution
 
        To:     RevList <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
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        Subject:        ZIP on OS X


Hi friends,

i know this has been discussed before, but if i remember right
with no really satisfying results...

Does anyobody know if we can compress (zip, gz or whatever) an
application
bundle on OS X via "shell", just like the OS does via the context-menu
in the finder?

If yes, a little hint to the syntax will be appreciated...


Thanks a lot in advance.


Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de


P.S.
I found and tried "ditto" in the terminal:

ditto --rsrc weihnachtsbaum.app weihn.cpio

but the resulting file "weihn.cpio" is exactly the same appbundle as
the original package,
even the size is identical... Nothing to see of any kind of
compression...?

Tried:

ditto -c --rsrc weihnachtsbaum.app weihnachten.zip

results in the "weihanchten.zip" file, but is still as big as the
original...

What the heck are the correct flags to compress and decompress via
"ditto"? :-)

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From klaus at major-k.de  Tue Dec 14 13:00:32 2004
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 19:00:32 +0100
Subject: ZIP on OS X
In-Reply-To: <69C1D02A-4DF8-11D9-B0D3-000D9337CDC8@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <15DB1E60-4DF7-11D9-BBD2-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>
	<69C1D02A-4DF8-11D9-B0D3-000D9337CDC8@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <0C43BC56-4DFA-11D9-BBD2-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>

Hi Trevor,

> On Dec 14, 2004, at 9:39 AM, Klaus Major wrote:
>
>> Hi friends,
>
> Hi Klaus.
>> ...
>> What the heck are the correct flags to compress and decompress via 
>> "ditto"? :-)
> This worked for me.  Took a 60KB file down to 28KB.
> ditto -c -k -X --rsrc RevolutionScreenSnapz001.pdf test.zip
> -X keeps the archive from descending into directories that have a 
> different device ID

Don't get this one...

> and -k signifies a PKZip archive as opposed to a CPIO archive.

...but this one :-)

Yeah, great, works fine!!! Thanks!

And how can i decompress the resulting file again?

> Trevor DeVore
> Blue Mango Multimedia
> trevor at mangomultimedia.com

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de


From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Tue Dec 14 13:10:38 2004
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 10:10:38 -0800
Subject: ZIP on OS X
In-Reply-To: <0C43BC56-4DFA-11D9-BBD2-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>
References: <15DB1E60-4DF7-11D9-BBD2-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>
	<69C1D02A-4DF8-11D9-B0D3-000D9337CDC8@mangomultimedia.com>
	<0C43BC56-4DFA-11D9-BBD2-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <756860E4-4DFB-11D9-B0D3-000D9337CDC8@mangomultimedia.com>

On Dec 14, 2004, at 10:00 AM, Klaus Major wrote:...
>> This worked for me.  Took a 60KB file down to 28KB.
>> ditto -c -k -X --rsrc RevolutionScreenSnapz001.pdf test.zip
>> -X keeps the archive from descending into directories that have a 
>> different device ID
>
> Don't get this one...

I'm not positive but I assume it won't go into a directory that points 
to another harddrive, etc.  I'm just guessing though.

>> and -k signifies a PKZip archive as opposed to a CPIO archive.
>
> ...but this one :-)
>
> Yeah, great, works fine!!! Thanks!
>
> And how can i decompress the resulting file again?

ditto -x -k test.zip test

-x tells ditto that the first file is an archive.  -k tells it that the 
file is pkzip rather than cio.  This will output the contents of 
test.zip to a folder named test.



-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Multimedia
trevor at mangomultimedia.com


From klaus at major-k.de  Tue Dec 14 13:17:45 2004
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 19:17:45 +0100
Subject: ZIP on OS X
In-Reply-To: <756860E4-4DFB-11D9-B0D3-000D9337CDC8@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <15DB1E60-4DF7-11D9-BBD2-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>
	<69C1D02A-4DF8-11D9-B0D3-000D9337CDC8@mangomultimedia.com>
	<0C43BC56-4DFA-11D9-BBD2-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>
	<756860E4-4DFB-11D9-B0D3-000D9337CDC8@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <73A31407-4DFC-11D9-BBD2-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>

Hi Trevor,

> On Dec 14, 2004, at 10:00 AM, Klaus Major wrote:...
>>> This worked for me.  Took a 60KB file down to 28KB.
>>> ditto -c -k -X --rsrc RevolutionScreenSnapz001.pdf test.zip
>>> -X keeps the archive from descending into directories that have a 
>>> different device ID
>>
>> Don't get this one...
>
> I'm not positive but I assume it won't go into a directory that points 
> to another harddrive, etc.  I'm just guessing though.

:-)

>>> and -k signifies a PKZip archive as opposed to a CPIO archive.
>>
>> ...but this one :-)
>>
>> Yeah, great, works fine!!! Thanks!
>> And how can i decompress the resulting file again?
> ditto -x -k test.zip test
> -x tells ditto that the first file is an archive.  -k tells it that 
> the file is pkzip rather than cio.  This will output the contents of 
> test.zip to a folder named test.

Thank you very much!!!

Has been archieved :-)

> Trevor DeVore
> Blue Mango Multimedia
> trevor at mangomultimedia.com

Best

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de


From sims at ezpzapps.com  Tue Dec 14 13:23:03 2004
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (sims)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 19:23:03 +0100
Subject: record sound & send via sockets
Message-ID: <p0611041abde4de6ecff7@[10.0.0.3]>

Am looking for a way to record sound and then have Rev send the sound
via sockets to another location.

We can write to a Quicktime file and then send that by sockets.

Is there any way to record a sound to a variable and then send that
so we can send the sound quicker? Or is there any way to make this process
even faster?

The goal is to be able to have a voice chat instead of a text chat.

Any general suggestions?

tia
sims
EuroRevCon  2006!!

From gregory.lypny at videotron.ca  Tue Dec 14 13:32:21 2004
From: gregory.lypny at videotron.ca (Gregory Lypny)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 13:32:21 -0500
Subject: Word keyword (more info)
Message-ID: <7DF85F5F-4DFE-11D9-8A04-000D9350C9C2@videotron.ca>

I don't know about all of this RFT and HTML stuff, but when I used

	put the HTMLText of fld "Data",

I got a lot of "nbsp"

----------example ----------------

<p>064100S  
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;COMM 220 C  
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;LYPNY X084


and when I used the RTFText of fld "Data", I got a lot of "CA's".

------------example-----------
{\rtf\mac
064100S  
\'CA\'CA\'CA\'CA\'CA\'CA\'CA\'CA\'CA\'CA\'CA\'CA\'CA\'CA\'CACOMM 220 C  
\'CA\'CA\'CA\'CA\'CA\'CA\'CA\'CA\'CA\'CA\'CA\'CA\'CA\'CA\'CA\'CA\'CA\'CA 
\'CALYPNY X084  
\'CA\'CA\'CA\'CA\'CA\'CA\'CA\'CA\'CA\'CA\'CA\'CA\'CA\'CA\'CAR
\par  341225453433111332124451122514141444222241221123541122332355  
\'CA\'CA\'CA\'CA\'CA\'CA\'CA\'CA\'CA1111111 \'CA1
\par  2212

	Greg

From dsc at swcp.com  Tue Dec 14 14:02:46 2004
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 12:02:46 -0700
Subject: Word keyword (more info)
In-Reply-To: <7DF85F5F-4DFE-11D9-8A04-000D9350C9C2@videotron.ca>
References: <7DF85F5F-4DFE-11D9-8A04-000D9350C9C2@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <BDB2BC3F-4E02-11D9-A82F-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>


On Dec 14, 2004, at 11:32 AM, Gregory Lypny wrote:

> I don't know about all of this RFT and HTML stuff, but when I used
>
> 	put the HTMLText of fld "Data",
>
> I got a lot of "nbsp"

Cool.  It used to be that that didn't work right.

Dar

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From gregory.lypny at videotron.ca  Tue Dec 14 14:03:54 2004
From: gregory.lypny at videotron.ca (Gregory Lypny)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 14:03:54 -0500
Subject: Word keyword (and finally)
Message-ID: <E690A242-4E02-11D9-8A04-000D9350C9C2@videotron.ca>

Think of it as flow of consciousness.

Given that the problem appears to be with the data having RTF or HTML 
attributes, my question is: how can I remove all of these attributes 
and have my data as plain old text?

	Greg


From dsc at swcp.com  Tue Dec 14 14:04:37 2004
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 12:04:37 -0700
Subject: ZIP on OS X
In-Reply-To: <756860E4-4DFB-11D9-B0D3-000D9337CDC8@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <15DB1E60-4DF7-11D9-BBD2-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>
	<69C1D02A-4DF8-11D9-B0D3-000D9337CDC8@mangomultimedia.com>
	<0C43BC56-4DFA-11D9-BBD2-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>
	<756860E4-4DFB-11D9-B0D3-000D9337CDC8@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <FFE05038-4E02-11D9-A82F-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>


On Dec 14, 2004, at 11:10 AM, Trevor DeVore wrote:

> ditto -x -k test.zip test

Is ditto on 10.1?

Dar Scott

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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Dec 14 14:55:37 2004
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 11:55:37 -0800
Subject: Word keyword
In-Reply-To: <6587057B-4DF7-11D9-8A04-000D9350C9C2@videotron.ca>
References: <6587057B-4DF7-11D9-8A04-000D9350C9C2@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <41BF4539.6020802@fourthworld.com>

Gregory Lypny wrote:
> Hello everyone,
> 
> Having a bit of a problem with the Word keyword.  I have data in a field 
> delimited by multiple spaces, for example, "1234453         blah      
> 789    stop".   When I execute the handler
> 
> put the second word of field "Data"
> 
> I get not just "blah" but all of the spaces that precede it!  Is this a 
> bug or am I doing something wrong?


Are they truly spaces (ASCII 32) or are some of those non-breaking spaces?

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  __________________________________________________
  Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev

From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Dec 14 14:55:36 2004
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 13:55:36 -0600
Subject: Word keyword (and finally)
In-Reply-To: <E690A242-4E02-11D9-8A04-000D9350C9C2@videotron.ca>
References: <E690A242-4E02-11D9-8A04-000D9350C9C2@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <41BF4538.9020900@hyperactivesw.com>

On 12/14/04 1:03 PM, Gregory Lypny wrote:

> Think of it as flow of consciousness.
> 
> Given that the problem appears to be with the data having RTF or HTML 
> attributes, my question is: how can I remove all of these attributes and 
> have my data as plain old text?

I don't think the problem is with the HTML or RTF -- the problem is that 
your original data does not contain "real" spaces, but rather contains 
"hard spaces". These are considered normal characters, different than a 
space, and become part of the "word" as Rev sees it.

To fix it, replace all option-space characters with regular spaces 
before parsing the script:

  replace numToChar(202) with space in fld "data"

On a Mac, you can also generate this character by just typing 
option-space rather than using the numtochar business in the script.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com

From dsc at swcp.com  Tue Dec 14 15:07:25 2004
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 13:07:25 -0700
Subject: Word keyword (more info)
In-Reply-To: <BDB2BC3F-4E02-11D9-A82F-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
References: <7DF85F5F-4DFE-11D9-8A04-000D9350C9C2@videotron.ca>
	<BDB2BC3F-4E02-11D9-A82F-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <C6098501-4E0B-11D9-A82F-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>


On Dec 14, 2004, at 12:02 PM, Dar Scott wrote:

> On Dec 14, 2004, at 11:32 AM, Gregory Lypny wrote:
>
>> I don't know about all of this RFT and HTML stuff, but when I used
>>
>> 	put the HTMLText of fld "Data",
>>
>> I got a lot of "nbsp"
>
> Cool.  It used to be that that didn't work right.

Whoops.  I just tried this on Revolution 2.5 on OS X 10.3.6.  My spaces 
do not turn into &nbsp;.

The HTMLText is not true HTML, but is an HTML-like formatting 
description.  It uses two spaces in htmlText for two spaces in the text 
which is not HTML.

I had caught a comment out of context and thought maybe htmlText was 
closer a step to HTML.

Sorry for the confusion.

Dar Scott

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From gbojsza at gmail.com  Tue Dec 14 15:12:21 2004
From: gbojsza at gmail.com (Glen Bojsza)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 15:12:21 -0500
Subject: PowerPoint images / icons
Message-ID: <3d8af415041214121254e5362@mail.gmail.com>

I have a powerpoint slide that contains several images I would like to
use in Revolution

Platform Windows XP ; Rev version 2.5

I have tried to copy and paste an image from powerpoint to Rev but
when I do the paste Revolution quits. I have tried Edit -> Paste Image
and ctrl-v.

I am looking for suggestions to what the best way of getting the
images into a stack would be. Please note that I would like the images
to be the same as a transparent gif (this is where the surrounding
area of the image which is usually white is actually transparent).

This will allow a connecting line between the between two images looks correct .

regards,

Glen

From sims at ezpzapps.com  Tue Dec 14 15:16:19 2004
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (sims)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 21:16:19 +0100
Subject: Video_Input.rev
Message-ID: <p06110420bde4fa254f19@[10.0.0.3]>

I'm looking for the video sample stack  "Video_Input.rev"
Can anyone tell me where it is or send me a copy?

tia
sims
EuroRevCon  2006

From webmaster at dreamscapesoftware.com  Tue Dec 14 15:19:03 2004
From: webmaster at dreamscapesoftware.com (Derek Bump)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 14:19:03 -0600
Subject: PowerPoint images / icons
References: <3d8af415041214121254e5362@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003201c4e21a$28d60c00$8d6c113f@DOWNSTAIRS>

> I am looking for suggestions to what the best way of getting the
> images into a stack would be. Please note that I would like the images
> to be the same as a transparent gif (this is where the surrounding
> area of the image which is usually white is actually transparent).

I often find that sometimes images/text in other programs just doesn't work in Rev by simply pasting them.  What you can try as an alternative is to try pasting the image into another program like Adobe PhotoShop and then either re-copying and trying to paste, or saving the image as a GIF or a PNG (for 24 Bit Transparency) and then importing the image into Rev.
 

Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software
____________________________________________
Compress Images Easily with JPEGCompress
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com

From gregory.lypny at videotron.ca  Tue Dec 14 15:30:43 2004
From: gregory.lypny at videotron.ca (Gregory Lypny)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 15:30:43 -0500
Subject: Word keyword
In-Reply-To: <20041214200752.0783F93015B@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20041214200752.0783F93015B@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <0726A27E-4E0F-11D9-8A04-000D9350C9C2@videotron.ca>

Thanks Dar, Jacqueline, and Richard for your suggestions.  I was able 
to fix it in the meantime by getting the rftText and replacing the hard 
spaces with regular spaces.

	Greg


From fde101 at fjrhome.net  Tue Dec 14 15:30:15 2004
From: fde101 at fjrhome.net (Frank D. Engel, Jr.)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 15:30:15 -0500
Subject: ZIP on OS X
In-Reply-To: <FFE05038-4E02-11D9-A82F-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
References: <15DB1E60-4DF7-11D9-BBD2-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>
	<69C1D02A-4DF8-11D9-B0D3-000D9337CDC8@mangomultimedia.com>
	<0C43BC56-4DFA-11D9-BBD2-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>
	<756860E4-4DFB-11D9-B0D3-000D9337CDC8@mangomultimedia.com>
	<FFE05038-4E02-11D9-A82F-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <F638EAE7-4E0E-11D9-8BF1-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>

You may also want to look at the "zip" and "unzip" command-line 
utilities.

Also, "gzip" and "gunzip" are more common in the UNIX world; however, 
these compress single files only, they will not grab an entire folder, 
such as a bundle.  To do that, you use gzip/gunzip in combination with 
"tar", which is an archiving tool.

To compress/create an archive:

tar cfz <archive-name>.tgz <input-file(s)>


To decompress/extract an archive into the current directory:

tar xfz <archive-name>


Note: tar stores filenames "as is".  If you are in a directory, say 
/xyz/abc, and try this:

tar cfz mytarball.tgz def/qwerty/*

Then everything (incl. subdirs) in /xyz/abc/def/qwerty will be included 
in the archive, and extracting it as in:

% cd /lmnop
% tar xfz mytarball.tgz

will place those files into /lmnop/def/qwerty.  Similarly, doing this:

tar cvf mytarball.tgz /xyz/abc/def/qwerty/*

will archive the same files as the previous command, but now the same 
exact extraction command will place the files into /xyz/abc/def/querty, 
since absolute pathnames were used.


I think using tar in combination with gzip/gunzip yields better 
compression than zip/unzip, but I'd have to check again to be sure.

Note that the "z" (compress with gzip) option is not available with the 
versions of tar which ship with many commercial *NIXes; for these 
platforms you would compress/archive with:

tar cf - <source-file(s)> | gzip -c > <archive-name>

Note that the "stray" greater-than sign in this line is to redirect 
output and should be included (the paired < and > symbols should not be 
typed, obviously).  So like this:

tar cf - def/querty/* | gzip -c > mytarball.tgz


And to decompress/extract:

gzip -c mytarball.tgz | tar xf -


On Dec 14, 2004, at 2:04 PM, Dar Scott wrote:

>
> On Dec 14, 2004, at 11:10 AM, Trevor DeVore wrote:
>
>> ditto -x -k test.zip test
>
> Is ditto on 10.1?
>
> Dar Scott
>
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$ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
$ true | cat /usr/manual | grep "John 3:16"
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten 
Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have 
everlasting life.
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From dsc at swcp.com  Tue Dec 14 15:33:53 2004
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 13:33:53 -0700
Subject: record sound & send via sockets
In-Reply-To: <p0611041abde4de6ecff7@[10.0.0.3]>
References: <p0611041abde4de6ecff7@[10.0.0.3]>
Message-ID: <78A5E061-4E0F-11D9-A82F-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>


On Dec 14, 2004, at 11:23 AM, sims wrote:

> The goal is to be able to have a voice chat instead of a text chat.
>
> Any general suggestions?

There does not seem to be a streaming sound recording I/O capability.  
(Maybe there is something in the video libraries, I don't know.)

Revolution does have the ability to record to a file.  (Not a variable, 
as far as I can tell.)  This recording is started with a command and 
stopped with a command.  I assume you can be recording to only one file 
at a time.  If that assumption is false, then you have more options.

A simple (and maybe too crude) method might be to have mic button as in 
half-duplex radio.  The mouseDown event could start recording and 
mouseUp could stop it and send off the sound.  This does not have to be 
half-duplex; the speaker could send sentences and receive sentences.

One problem is that the sound is delayed.

One way to avoid the delay is to record in small chunks and send that.  
I would expect you will get big parts missing and nasty clunk sounds.

Maybe it is possible to read the file as it is being recorded and send 
portions.

Communication needs to drop frames if the pipe gets too clogged.

It might be there is some command-line app that can do all the work and 
meet some standard and then all you have to do is control it.

These are very general.  Perhaps these are suggestions.

Dar Scott
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From fde101 at fjrhome.net  Tue Dec 14 15:31:03 2004
From: fde101 at fjrhome.net (Frank D. Engel, Jr.)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 15:31:03 -0500
Subject: Word keyword
In-Reply-To: <41BF4539.6020802@fourthworld.com>
References: <6587057B-4DF7-11D9-8A04-000D9350C9C2@videotron.ca>
	<41BF4539.6020802@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <134480EA-4E0F-11D9-8BF1-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>

Or tabs?  Some text editors convert spaces to tabs (and vice versa) 
without asking...

On Dec 14, 2004, at 2:55 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Gregory Lypny wrote:
>> Hello everyone,
>> Having a bit of a problem with the Word keyword.  I have data in a 
>> field delimited by multiple spaces, for example, "1234453         
>> blah      789    stop".   When I execute the handler
>> put the second word of field "Data"
>> I get not just "blah" but all of the spaces that precede it!  Is this 
>> a bug or am I doing something wrong?
>
>
> Are they truly spaces (ASCII 32) or are some of those non-breaking 
> spaces?
>
> --
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>  Fourth World Media Corporation
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$ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
$ true | cat /usr/manual | grep "John 3:16"
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten 
Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have 
everlasting life.
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Dec 14 15:35:18 2004
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 12:35:18 -0800
Subject: PowerPoint images / icons
In-Reply-To: <003201c4e21a$28d60c00$8d6c113f@DOWNSTAIRS>
References: <3d8af415041214121254e5362@mail.gmail.com>
	<003201c4e21a$28d60c00$8d6c113f@DOWNSTAIRS>
Message-ID: <41BF4E86.9030504@fourthworld.com>

Derek Bump wrote:
 > I often find that sometimes images/text in other programs just doesn't
 > work in Rev by simply pasting them.

There are a number of Bugzilla reports related to images, but I just 
added a new enhancement request that hadn't been suggested there before:

<http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=2473>

 From the report:
-------------
Currently, pasting an image from the Clipboard causes one of two things 
to happen:  either the image is pasted into the bottom-most image 
object, or if there are no image objects it creates a new image sized to 
match the entire card.  It's rarely the case in my own work that either 
is what I want. :)

It would be nice if there was a way to paste an image and have it create 
a new image object, regardless of whether other image objects may 
already exist.  Even better, this newly created object should be sized 
to the bounds of the clipboard image data, rather than creating an image 
sized to match the entire card.

Perhaps this new behavior could be differentiated by a global property.
If so, what should it be called?  Good names for such a thing elude me 
this afternoon....
------

If you like this idea and have some suggestions for what this property 
could be called, please add it to the report.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  __________________________________________________
  Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev

From byront at mac.com  Tue Dec 14 15:36:18 2004
From: byront at mac.com (Byron)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 12:36:18 -0800
Subject: MatchText error
In-Reply-To: <756860E4-4DFB-11D9-B0D3-000D9337CDC8@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <15DB1E60-4DF7-11D9-BBD2-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>
	<69C1D02A-4DF8-11D9-B0D3-000D9337CDC8@mangomultimedia.com>
	<0C43BC56-4DFA-11D9-BBD2-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>
	<756860E4-4DFB-11D9-B0D3-000D9337CDC8@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <13D1BA51-E9C2-4FC0-8339-756A0C06E35D@mac.com>

I'm getting  the error

Type    Handler: can't find handler
Object    Test Match Text
Line    matchText("Goodbye","bye")
Hint    matchText

I'm testing with the example in the documentation.  Any ideas?  Here is 
the exact script

on mouseUp
   matchText("Goodbye","bye")
   put it
end mouseUp

Thanks, Byron

From sims at ezpzapps.com  Tue Dec 14 15:42:57 2004
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (sims)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 21:42:57 +0100
Subject: record sound & send via sockets
In-Reply-To: <78A5E061-4E0F-11D9-A82F-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
References: <p0611041abde4de6ecff7@[10.0.0.3]>
 <78A5E061-4E0F-11D9-A82F-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <p06110422bde5006fc828@[10.0.0.3]>

>On Dec 14, 2004, at 11:23 AM, sims wrote:
>
>>The goal is to be able to have a voice chat instead of a text chat.
>>
>>Any general suggestions?
>
>There does not seem to be a streaming sound recording I/O 
>capability.  (Maybe there is something in the video libraries, I 
>don't know.)


><snip>


>These are very general.  Perhaps these are suggestions.
>
>Dar Scott


Thanks Dar...am plodding along on this.

atb
sims
EuroRevCon  2006

From psahores at easynet.fr  Tue Dec 14 15:41:12 2004
From: psahores at easynet.fr (Pierre Sahores)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 21:41:12 +0100
Subject: record sound & send via sockets
In-Reply-To: <p0611041abde4de6ecff7@[10.0.0.3]>
References: <p0611041abde4de6ecff7@[10.0.0.3]>
Message-ID: <7E1F01A0-4E10-11D9-8D93-000A95C61E96@easynet.fr>

Hello sims,

This can be done (without XTalk's elegance) is using QT Broadcaster + 
Darwin Streaming Server. The goal would be to code Rev's substitutes to 
those components or, best, build a Rev solution able to grab and replay 
MP3 or QT Movie in multi-users P2P mode. This is surely a way to get 
this working with the right design, some fine transcript and a 
"soup?on" of C external coding ;-)

I'm really interesting in seeing how will grow this discussion thread !

Best Regards,

Le 14 d?c. 04, ? 19:23, sims a ?crit :

> Am looking for a way to record sound and then have Rev send the sound
> via sockets to another location.
>
> We can write to a Quicktime file and then send that by sockets.
>
> Is there any way to record a sound to a variable and then send that
> so we can send the sound quicker? Or is there any way to make this 
> process
> even faster?
>
> The goal is to be able to have a voice chat instead of a text chat.
>
> Any general suggestions?
>
> tia
> sims
> EuroRevCon  2006!!
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>
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From alex at tweedly.net  Tue Dec 14 15:44:55 2004
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 20:44:55 +0000
Subject: MatchText error
In-Reply-To: <13D1BA51-E9C2-4FC0-8339-756A0C06E35D@mac.com>
References: <756860E4-4DFB-11D9-B0D3-000D9337CDC8@mangomultimedia.com>
 <15DB1E60-4DF7-11D9-BBD2-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>
 <69C1D02A-4DF8-11D9-B0D3-000D9337CDC8@mangomultimedia.com>
 <0C43BC56-4DFA-11D9-BBD2-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>
 <756860E4-4DFB-11D9-B0D3-000D9337CDC8@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20041214204333.029edeb8@mail.tweedly.net>

At 12:36 14/12/2004 -0800, Byron wrote:

>I'm getting  the error
>
>Type    Handler: can't find handler
>Object    Test Match Text
>Line    matchText("Goodbye","bye")
>Hint    matchText

MatchText is a function - try something like
   put matchText("Goodbe", bye")

-- Alex.

From soapdog at mac.com  Tue Dec 14 15:53:03 2004
From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 08:53:03 -1200
Subject: record sound & send via sockets
In-Reply-To: <p0611041abde4de6ecff7@[10.0.0.3]>
References: <p0611041abde4de6ecff7@[10.0.0.3]>
Message-ID: <5159705.1103057583413.JavaMail.soapdog@mac.com>

Sims,

since we talked during our wonderfull ERC time, I am looking into it, its  
just my broken arm delaying me....


but I hope to send more research to this list soon...

cheers
andre


On Tuesday, December 14, 2004, at 06:19AM, sims <sims at ezpzapps.com> wrote:

>Am looking for a way to record sound and then have Rev send the sound
>via sockets to another location.
>
>We can write to a Quicktime file and then send that by sockets.
>
>Is there any way to record a sound to a variable and then send that
>so we can send the sound quicker? Or is there any way to make this process
>even faster?
>
>The goal is to be able to have a voice chat instead of a text chat.
>
>Any general suggestions?
>
>tia
>sims
>EuroRevCon  2006!!
>_______________________________________________
>use-revolution mailing list
>use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
>

From sims at ezpzapps.com  Tue Dec 14 16:04:28 2004
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (sims)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 22:04:28 +0100
Subject: record sound & send via sockets
In-Reply-To: <5159705.1103057583413.JavaMail.soapdog@mac.com>
References: <p0611041abde4de6ecff7@[10.0.0.3]>
 <5159705.1103057583413.JavaMail.soapdog@mac.com>
Message-ID: <p06110423bde505753c73@[10.0.0.3]>

>Sims,
>
>since we talked during our wonderfull ERC time, I am looking into it, its 
>just my broken arm delaying me....
>
>
>but I hope to send more research to this list soon...
>
>cheers
>andre

Thanks...not much can slow you down   ;-)

ciao
sims
EuroRevCon  2006

From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Dec 14 16:00:53 2004
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 13:00:53 -0800
Subject: record sound & send via sockets
In-Reply-To: <78A5E061-4E0F-11D9-A82F-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
References: <p0611041abde4de6ecff7@[10.0.0.3]>
	<78A5E061-4E0F-11D9-A82F-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <41BF5485.6020101@fourthworld.com>

Dar Scott wrote:
> 
> On Dec 14, 2004, at 11:23 AM, sims wrote:
> 
>> The goal is to be able to have a voice chat instead of a text chat.
>>
>> Any general suggestions?
>
> It might be there is some command-line app that can do all the work and 
> meet some standard and then all you have to do is control it.

That may be a good option. There's so much work involved in correcting 
for latencies with such data transfer that it'll be hard to beat the 
work done by specialists.

Would it be acceptable to just use iChat or other chat client as a 
helper app for whatever workflow you're supporting?

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  __________________________________________________
  Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev

From byront at mac.com  Tue Dec 14 16:11:37 2004
From: byront at mac.com (Byron)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 13:11:37 -0800
Subject: MatchText error
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20041214204333.029edeb8@mail.tweedly.net>
References: <756860E4-4DFB-11D9-B0D3-000D9337CDC8@mangomultimedia.com>
	<15DB1E60-4DF7-11D9-BBD2-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>
	<69C1D02A-4DF8-11D9-B0D3-000D9337CDC8@mangomultimedia.com>
	<0C43BC56-4DFA-11D9-BBD2-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>
	<756860E4-4DFB-11D9-B0D3-000D9337CDC8@mangomultimedia.com>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20041214204333.029edeb8@mail.tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <D7063897-2F2A-427A-8489-2301AB37A990@mac.com>

Thank you.  That did it. . . obviously I still have a lot to learn.

On Dec 14, 2004, at 12:44 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote:


> put matchText("Goodbe", bye")



From sims at ezpzapps.com  Tue Dec 14 16:17:15 2004
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (sims)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 22:17:15 +0100
Subject: record sound & send via sockets
In-Reply-To: <41BF5485.6020101@fourthworld.com>
References: <p0611041abde4de6ecff7@[10.0.0.3]>
 <78A5E061-4E0F-11D9-A82F-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
 <41BF5485.6020101@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <p06110424bde50785b83e@[10.0.0.3]>

>Dar Scott wrote:
>>
>>On Dec 14, 2004, at 11:23 AM, sims wrote:
>>
>>>The goal is to be able to have a voice chat instead of a text chat.
>>>
>>>Any general suggestions?
>>
>>It might be there is some command-line app that can do all the work 
>>and meet some standard and then all you have to do is control it.
>
>That may be a good option. There's so much work involved in 
>correcting for latencies with such data transfer that it'll be hard 
>to beat the work done by specialists.
>
>Would it be acceptable to just use iChat or other chat client as a 
>helper app for whatever workflow you're supporting?

I need to have a system which is hardwired so employees cannot abuse it.
It must be set up to connect only to one computer so they cannot be calling
friends and others during work hours.

There are a few VoIP packages, we might have to have one customised 
for our needs
but the idea of making something with Rev is appealing. Others might 
also find the stack
useful.
thanks
sims
EuroRevCon  2006!
Be there or be square!

From dsc at swcp.com  Tue Dec 14 16:29:13 2004
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 14:29:13 -0700
Subject: record sound & send via sockets
In-Reply-To: <p06110424bde50785b83e@[10.0.0.3]>
References: <p0611041abde4de6ecff7@[10.0.0.3]>
	<78A5E061-4E0F-11D9-A82F-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
	<41BF5485.6020101@fourthworld.com> <p06110424bde50785b83e@[10.0.0.3]>
Message-ID: <33039F08-4E17-11D9-A82F-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>


On Dec 14, 2004, at 2:17 PM, sims wrote:

> I need to have a system which is hardwired so employees cannot abuse 
> it.
> It must be set up to connect only to one computer so they cannot be 
> calling
> friends and others during work hours.

You might be able to limit this with the site or desktop firewall.  On 
some Windows systems you can do this with ipSec policy, even if you 
don't use ipSec.

Some kinds of helper apps might be completely invisible or give no 
indication that they can be run alone.  That may hide things enough to 
keep folks from using them in general.

Dar Scott

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From mfstuart at cox.net  Tue Dec 14 16:36:44 2004
From: mfstuart at cox.net (mfstuart at cox.net)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:36:44 -0500
Subject: Dreamcard Player - help
Message-ID: <20041214213644.XCPE17983.fed1rmmtao02.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net>

To RunRev support people and anyone else who knows,

I?m still not able to get my MAForums.rev application to ?play? on a Windows computer that only has the Dreamcard Player installed on it. The app works with the Player on a Windows computer with the installation of the developer.

The app is the demo from Sarah at troz.com, the app that needs to read a web page thru the internet.

If the computer with just the Dreamcard Player needs some other component installed on it, then why doesn?t the player come with the required components?


How do I get this resolved?

TIA,


Mark Stuart


p.s. this is my first impression of the RunRev software products ? so far, it?s not going too good.

 

p.s.s. The original reason I purchased Dreamcard,  was to see it?s capabilities to access MySQL databases, I?m working on that demo as well, not with very good results as yet, with large data sets ? over 500,000 records. Now, I don?t know if there is a vast difference between Dreamcard and Revolution products that access MySQL databases. So far with what I?ve read on the RunRev website is that both products are the same, upto Dreamcard, and that Revolution passes Dreamcard with more functions and feature set.



From psahores at easynet.fr  Tue Dec 14 16:51:32 2004
From: psahores at easynet.fr (Pierre Sahores)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 22:51:32 +0100
Subject: ZIP on OS X
In-Reply-To: <15DB1E60-4DF7-11D9-BBD2-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>
References: <15DB1E60-4DF7-11D9-BBD2-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <51811400-4E1A-11D9-8D93-000A95C61E96@easynet.fr>

Hello Klaus,

on mouseup
   put shell ("zip /Users/sahores/Desktop/dess-capture.qtbr.zip 
/Users/sahores/Desktop/dess-capture.qtbr") into aaa
   answer aaa
    put shell ("unzip -j /Users/sahores/Desktop/dess-capture.qtbr -d 
/Users/sahores/Desktop/") into aaa
   answer aaa
end mouseup

To get help about zip/unzip options, type in a shell window "zip 
-h"/"unzip -h"

Tchuss :)


Le 14 d?c. 04, ? 18:39, Klaus Major a ?crit :

> Hi friends,
>
> i know this has been discussed before, but if i remember right
> with no really satisfying results...
>
> Does anyobody know if we can compress (zip, gz or whatever) an 
> application
> bundle on OS X via "shell", just like the OS does via the context-menu 
> in the finder?
>
> If yes, a little hint to the syntax will be appreciated...
>
>
> Thanks a lot in advance.
>
>
> Regards
>
> Klaus Major
> klaus at major-k.de
> http://www.major-k.de
>
>
> P.S.
> I found and tried "ditto" in the terminal:
>
>  ditto --rsrc weihnachtsbaum.app weihn.cpio
>
> but the resulting file "weihn.cpio" is exactly the same appbundle as 
> the original package,
> even the size is identical... Nothing to see of any kind of 
> compression...?
>
> Tried:
>
>  ditto -c --rsrc weihnachtsbaum.app weihnachten.zip
>
> results in the "weihanchten.zip" file, but is still as big as the 
> original...
>
> What the heck are the correct flags to compress and decompress via 
> "ditto"? :-)
>
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From fde101 at fjrhome.net  Tue Dec 14 16:59:14 2004
From: fde101 at fjrhome.net (Frank D. Engel, Jr.)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:59:14 -0500
Subject: Dreamcard Player - help
In-Reply-To: <20041214213644.XCPE17983.fed1rmmtao02.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net>
References: <20041214213644.XCPE17983.fed1rmmtao02.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net>
Message-ID: <64D89D22-4E1B-11D9-8BF1-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>

If you need to contact Rev's support, this is not the place for it; try 
support at runrev.com, or check out http://support.runrev.com.

As far as why that does not work against the player unless the 
developer is installed, that sounds a bit strange.  Are these the only 
differences between the two machines?  Are you sure there is not some 
other substantial difference in the configuration?  Maybe one has WinXP 
and the other Win2K, or QuickTime is installed on one and not the 
other...


On Dec 14, 2004, at 4:36 PM, <mfstuart at cox.net> wrote:

> To RunRev support people and anyone else who knows,
>
> I?m still not able to get my MAForums.rev application to ?play? on a 
> Windows computer that only has the Dreamcard Player installed on it. 
> The app works with the Player on a Windows computer with the 
> installation of the developer.
>
> The app is the demo from Sarah at troz.com, the app that needs to read 
> a web page thru the internet.
>
> If the computer with just the Dreamcard Player needs some other 
> component installed on it, then why doesn?t the player come with the 
> required components?
>
>
> How do I get this resolved?
>
> TIA,
>
>
> Mark Stuart
>
>
> p.s. this is my first impression of the RunRev software products ? so 
> far, it?s not going too good.
>
>
>
> p.s.s. The original reason I purchased Dreamcard,  was to see it?s 
> capabilities to access MySQL databases, I?m working on that demo as 
> well, not with very good results as yet, with large data sets ? over 
> 500,000 records. Now, I don?t know if there is a vast difference 
> between Dreamcard and Revolution products that access MySQL databases. 
> So far with what I?ve read on the RunRev website is that both products 
> are the same, upto Dreamcard, and that Revolution passes Dreamcard 
> with more functions and feature set.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
>
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From sarahr at genesearch.com.au  Tue Dec 14 17:19:35 2004
From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 08:19:35 +1000
Subject: No mouseUp
In-Reply-To: <90119604-4DF4-11D9-BB14-000D933610BE@mac.com>
References: <20041214154716.AA09C930129@mail.runrev.com>
	<90119604-4DF4-11D9-BB14-000D933610BE@mac.com>
Message-ID: <3C7E6CDD-4E1E-11D9-8AD4-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au>

>>> I have the following script in a List field and the mouseUp handler
>>> doesn't work!  I noticed that it is the "set the dragData" line in 
>>> the
>>> mouseDown that disables the mouseUp.  Can someone please tell me
>>> what's going on and how I can keep the mouseUp?
>>>
>>>
>>> on mouseDown
>>>   get the hilitedLines of me
>>>   set the dragData to line it of me
>>> end mouseDown
>>>
>>> on mouseUp
>>>   beep 2
>>> end mouseUp
>>>
>> Hi Roger,
>>
>> I would guess that because you have started a drag operation, mouseUp
>> is not going to happen. Try looking for a dragEnd message instead.
>>
>> Sarah
>
> Hello Sarah,
>
> Thanks for responding.  Unfortunately, dragEnd does not work.  I also 
> tried dragLeave and it works OK as a replacement for mouseUp.  but it 
> also works when in the process of dragging as you would expect.  I 
> really need to work this out as my app requires both drag and drop and 
> mouseUp events.  Any other suggestions or work-around?
>
> Thanks very much, Roger
>
The only other suggestion I have is to have multiple dragDrop routines: 
one in the original button so if the user effectively cancels the drag 
by letting the mouse go on that button, you can handle it as if it was 
mouseUp. Then in the stack or card or destination object, have another 
dragDrop that actually deals with the dropped data.

Sarah


From sarahr at genesearch.com.au  Tue Dec 14 17:25:42 2004
From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 08:25:42 +1000
Subject: Video_Input.rev
In-Reply-To: <p06110420bde4fa254f19@[10.0.0.3]>
References: <p06110420bde4fa254f19@[10.0.0.3]>
Message-ID: <173AB2EF-4E1F-11D9-8AD4-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au>

RevOnline - Learning Centre - Sample stacks has a Video Capture stack 
which I think is the same as the old Video_Input stack.

Sarah

On 15 Dec 2004, at 6:14 am, sims wrote:

> I'm looking for the video sample stack  "Video_Input.rev"
> Can anyone tell me where it is or send me a copy?
>
> tia
> sims
> EuroRevCon  2006


From klaus at major-k.de  Tue Dec 14 17:27:48 2004
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 23:27:48 +0100
Subject: ZIP on OS X
In-Reply-To: <51811400-4E1A-11D9-8D93-000A95C61E96@easynet.fr>
References: <15DB1E60-4DF7-11D9-BBD2-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>
	<51811400-4E1A-11D9-8D93-000A95C61E96@easynet.fr>
Message-ID: <6277DBC4-4E1F-11D9-BBD2-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>

Bon soir Pierre,

> Hello Klaus,
>
> on mouseup
>   put shell ("zip /Users/sahores/Desktop/dess-capture.qtbr.zip 
> /Users/sahores/Desktop/dess-capture.qtbr") into aaa
>   answer aaa
>    put shell ("unzip -j /Users/sahores/Desktop/dess-capture.qtbr -d 
> /Users/sahores/Desktop/") into aaa
>   answer aaa
> end mouseup
>
> To get help about zip/unzip options, type in a shell window "zip 
> -h"/"unzip -h"

Ah, tr?s bien! Merci beaucoup, monsieur!

I was a bit disappointed since i knew that the command "zip" WAS 
available, but "man zip"
only gave "no manual entry for zip".

But it looks like you cannot "zip" folders/apps this way :-(

Anyway, thanks a lot...

> Tchuss :)

-> Tsch&uuml;ss ;-)


Au revoir, mon ami...

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de


From sarahr at genesearch.com.au  Tue Dec 14 17:30:34 2004
From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 08:30:34 +1000
Subject: revCopyFolder problems in Rev 2.5
In-Reply-To: <000301c4e1fa$17d47650$64fea8c0@chris1>
References: <000301c4e1fa$17d47650$64fea8c0@chris1>
Message-ID: <C5047884-4E1F-11D9-8AD4-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au>

> Does anyone know if revCopyFolder is broken in Rev 2.5 build 2?  I'm 
> having
> problems with it.  Calling "the result" right after it returns 
> "execution
> error".  If I revert back to Rev 2.2 it works fine.  Anyone else had
> problems with this?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Chris Sheffield
> Software Development
> Read Naturally
>
Works fine here, but I have done the updates. OS X 10.3.6

Cheers,
Sarah


From wdesigns at austin.rr.com  Tue Dec 14 17:31:41 2004
From: wdesigns at austin.rr.com (Douglas Westbrook)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:31:41 -0600
Subject: No mouseUp
In-Reply-To: <3C7E6CDD-4E1E-11D9-8AD4-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au>
References: <20041214154716.AA09C930129@mail.runrev.com>
	<90119604-4DF4-11D9-BB14-000D933610BE@mac.com>
	<3C7E6CDD-4E1E-11D9-8AD4-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au>
Message-ID: <ED042126-4E1F-11D9-B1B8-000A95B26B74@austin.rr.com>

You might try
On mousedown
set dragdatata to whatever
     send mouse up to me in .2 seconds
end mousedown

On Dec 14, 2004, at 4:19 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

>>>> I have the following script in a List field and the mouseUp handler
>>>> doesn't work!  I noticed that it is the "set the dragData" line in 
>>>> the
>>>> mouseDown that disables the mouseUp.  Can someone please tell me
>>>> what's going on and how I can keep the mouseUp?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> on mouseDown
>>>>   get the hilitedLines of me
>>>>   set the dragData to line it of me
>>>> end mouseDown
>>>>
>>>> on mouseUp
>>>>   beep 2
>>>> end mouseUp
>>>>
>>> Hi Roger,
>>>
>>> I would guess that because you have started a drag operation, mouseUp
>>> is not going to happen. Try looking for a dragEnd message instead.
>>>
>>> Sarah
>>
>> Hello Sarah,
>>
>> Thanks for responding.  Unfortunately, dragEnd does not work.  I also 
>> tried dragLeave and it works OK as a replacement for mouseUp.  but it 
>> also works when in the process of dragging as you would expect.  I 
>> really need to work this out as my app requires both drag and drop 
>> and mouseUp events.  Any other suggestions or work-around?
>>
>> Thanks very much, Roger
>>
> The only other suggestion I have is to have multiple dragDrop 
> routines: one in the original button so if the user effectively 
> cancels the drag by letting the mouse go on that button, you can 
> handle it as if it was mouseUp. Then in the stack or card or 
> destination object, have another dragDrop that actually deals with the 
> dropped data.
>
> Sarah
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>


From sarahr at genesearch.com.au  Tue Dec 14 17:48:10 2004
From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 08:48:10 +1000
Subject: Dreamcard Player - help
In-Reply-To: <20041214213644.XCPE17983.fed1rmmtao02.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net>
References: <20041214213644.XCPE17983.fed1rmmtao02.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net>
Message-ID: <3AF29BAA-4E22-11D9-8AD4-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au>

> To RunRev support people and anyone else who knows,
I don't fit into either of these categories, but I am someone who is 
trying to help :-)
>
> I?m still not able to get my MAForums.rev application to ?play? on a 
> Windows computer that only has the Dreamcard Player installed on it. 
> The app works with the Player on a Windows computer with the 
> installation of the developer.
>
> The app is the demo from Sarah at troz.com, the app that needs to read 
> a web page thru the internet.
>
> If the computer with just the Dreamcard Player needs some other 
> component installed on it, then why doesn?t the player come with the 
> required components?
>
The MAForums stack downloads web pages and extracts information from 
them. As such it needs access to Rev's internet library. While I have 
never used DreamCard, from your description it sounds as if the library 
is not part of the DreamCard player installation on your other 
computer. Did you run the DreamCard player installer on the second 
computer, or did you just copy over the Player application? The 
installer is available at <http://downloads.runrev.com/>

I don't use Windows, but I just downloaded the Player installer for Mac 
OS X and it comes with a components folder that contains the internet 
library. (It is part of the stack revlibrary.rev in the 
components/global environment/ folder.) I would expect most stacks to 
fail unless this components folder was in the same folder as the 
DreamCard player application.

If you have the player and it's components installed correctly, then I 
don't know what the problem could be and can only suggest that you 
un-install it, download a fresh copy and try installing again.

Cheers,
Sarah
sarahr at genesearch.com.au
http://www.troz.net/Rev/


From dsc at swcp.com  Tue Dec 14 17:50:40 2004
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 15:50:40 -0700
Subject: ditto experience
Message-ID: <9445AB68-4E22-11D9-A82F-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>

I appreciate the pointers to ditto recently and earlier.

I found a couple interesting things.

When I compressed and uncompressed a standalone, the folder MacOS was 
80 bytes larger than the original.  The content file was the same size 
as the original.  I used --rsrc.  Could that have made empty resource 
forks?

Also, the compress and uncompress fixed the finder icons for files 
inside a recently made standalone.  How could that happen?

Dar Scott

****************************************
     DSC
     http://www.swcp.com/dsc/
     Programming Services and Software
****************************************


From revlist at cableone.net  Tue Dec 14 17:51:06 2004
From: revlist at cableone.net (Chris Sheffield)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 15:51:06 -0700
Subject: revCopyFolder problems in Rev 2.5
In-Reply-To: <C5047884-4E1F-11D9-8AD4-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au>
Message-ID: <001b01c4e22f$65c5f930$64fea8c0@chris1>

Thanks, Sarah.  Did you try it on an app bundle by chance?  That's what I'm
trying to copy.  Should have specified that in the first place.  Sorry.

Chris Sheffield
Software Development
Read Naturally


-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Sarah Reichelt
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 3:31 PM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: revCopyFolder problems in Rev 2.5

> Does anyone know if revCopyFolder is broken in Rev 2.5 build 2?  I'm 
> having
> problems with it.  Calling "the result" right after it returns 
> "execution
> error".  If I revert back to Rev 2.2 it works fine.  Anyone else had
> problems with this?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Chris Sheffield
> Software Development
> Read Naturally
>
Works fine here, but I have done the updates. OS X 10.3.6

Cheers,
Sarah

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From psahores at easynet.fr  Tue Dec 14 18:09:38 2004
From: psahores at easynet.fr (Pierre Sahores)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 00:09:38 +0100
Subject: ZIP on OS X
In-Reply-To: <6277DBC4-4E1F-11D9-BBD2-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>
References: <15DB1E60-4DF7-11D9-BBD2-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>
	<51811400-4E1A-11D9-8D93-000A95C61E96@easynet.fr>
	<6277DBC4-4E1F-11D9-BBD2-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <3A95FC9C-4E25-11D9-8D93-000A95C61E96@easynet.fr>

Hello again Klaus,

Le 14 d?c. 04, ? 23:27, Klaus Major a ?crit :

> Bon soir Pierre,
>
>> Hello Klaus,
>>
>> on mouseup
>>   put shell ("zip /Users/sahores/Desktop/dess-capture.qtbr.zip 
>> /Users/sahores/Desktop/dess-capture.qtbr") into aaa
>>   answer aaa
>>    put shell ("unzip -j /Users/sahores/Desktop/dess-capture.qtbr -d 
>> /Users/sahores/Desktop/") into aaa
>>   answer aaa
>> end mouseup
>>
>> To get help about zip/unzip options, type in a shell window "zip 
>> -h"/"unzip -h"
>
> Ah, tr?s bien! Merci beaucoup, monsieur!
>
> I was a bit disappointed since i knew that the command "zip" WAS 
> available, but "man zip"
> only gave "no manual entry for zip".
>
> But it looks like you cannot "zip" folders/apps this way :-(

Yes you can, wirklich, but you will need to feet the right options in 
"zip -h" / "unzip -h"

Last login: Tue Dec 14 23:24:45 on ttyp2
Welcome to Darwin!
[G412:~] sahores% zip -h
Copyright (C) 1990-1996 Mark Adler, Richard B. Wales, Jean-loup Gailly
Onno van der Linden and Kai Uwe Rommel. Type 'zip -L' for the software 
License.
Zip 2.1 (April 27th 1996). Usage:
zip [-options] [-b path] [-t mmddyy] [-n suffixes] [zipfile list] [-xi 
list]
   The default action is to add or replace zipfile entries from list, 
which
   can include the special name - to compress standard input.
   If zipfile and list are omitted, zip compresses stdin to stdout.
   -f   freshen: only changed files  -u   update: only changed or new 
files
   -d   delete entries in zipfile    -m   move into zipfile (delete 
files)
   -k   force MSDOS (8+3) file names -g   allow growing existing zipfile
   -r   recurse into directories     -j   junk (don't record) directory 
names
   -0   store only                   -l   convert LF to CR LF (-ll CR LF 
to LF)
   -1   compress faster              -9   compress better
   -q   quiet operation              -v   verbose operation/print 
version info
   -c   add one-line comments        -z   add zipfile comment
   -b   use "path" for temp file     -t   only do files after "mmddyy"
   -@   read names from stdin        -o   make zipfile as old as latest 
entry
   -x   exclude the following names  -i   include only the following 
names
   -F   fix zipfile (-FF try harder) -D   do not add directory entries
   -A   adjust self-extracting exe   -J   junk zip file prefix (unzipsfx)
   -T   test zipfile integrity       -X   eXclude eXtra file attributes
   -y   store symbolic links as the link instead of the referenced file
   -h   show this help               -n   don't compress these suffixes
[G412:~] sahores%
>
> Anyway, thanks a lot...
>
>> Tchuss :)
>
> -> Tsch&uuml;ss ;-)
>
>
> Au revoir, mon ami...
>
> Klaus Major
> klaus at major-k.de
> http://www.major-k.de
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>

From psahores at easynet.fr  Tue Dec 14 18:16:36 2004
From: psahores at easynet.fr (Pierre Sahores)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 00:16:36 +0100
Subject: Fwd: ZIP on OS X
Message-ID: <33D949B4-4E26-11D9-8D93-000A95C61E96@easynet.fr>

Hello again Klaus,

Le 14 d?c. 04, ? 23:27, Klaus Major a ?crit :

> Bon soir Pierre,
>
>> Hello Klaus,
>>
>> on mouseup
>>   put shell ("zip /Users/sahores/Desktop/dess-capture.qtbr.zip 
>> /Users/sahores/Desktop/dess-capture.qtbr") into aaa
>>   answer aaa
>>    put shell ("unzip -j /Users/sahores/Desktop/dess-capture.qtbr -d 
>> /Users/sahores/Desktop/") into aaa
>>   answer aaa
>> end mouseup
>>
>> To get help about zip/unzip options, type in a shell window "zip 
>> -h"/"unzip -h"
>
> Ah, tr?s bien! Merci beaucoup, monsieur!
>
> I was a bit disappointed since i knew that the command "zip" WAS 
> available, but "man zip"
> only gave "no manual entry for zip".
>
> But it looks like you cannot "zip" folders/apps this way :-(

Yes you can, wirklich, but you will need to feet the right options in 
"zip -h" / "unzip -h"

Last login: Tue Dec 14 23:24:45 on ttyp2
Welcome to Darwin!
[G412:~] sahores% zip -h
Copyright (C) 1990-1996 Mark Adler, Richard B. Wales, Jean-loup Gailly
Onno van der Linden and Kai Uwe Rommel. Type 'zip -L' for the software 
License.
Zip 2.1 (April 27th 1996). Usage:
zip [-options] [-b path] [-t mmddyy] [-n suffixes] [zipfile list] [-xi 
list]
   The default action is to add or replace zipfile entries from list, 
which
   can include the special name - to compress standard input.
   If zipfile and list are omitted, zip compresses stdin to stdout.
   -f   freshen: only changed files  -u   update: only changed or new 
files
   -d   delete entries in zipfile    -m   move into zipfile (delete 
files)
   -k   force MSDOS (8+3) file names -g   allow growing existing zipfile
   -r   recurse into directories     -j   junk (don't record) directory 
names
   -0   store only                   -l   convert LF to CR LF (-ll CR LF 
to LF)
   -1   compress faster              -9   compress better
   -q   quiet operation              -v   verbose operation/print 
version info
   -c   add one-line comments        -z   add zipfile comment
   -b   use "path" for temp file     -t   only do files after "mmddyy"
   -@   read names from stdin        -o   make zipfile as old as latest 
entry
   -x   exclude the following names  -i   include only the following 
names
   -F   fix zipfile (-FF try harder) -D   do not add directory entries
   -A   adjust self-extracting exe   -J   junk zip file prefix (unzipsfx)
   -T   test zipfile integrity       -X   eXclude eXtra file attributes
   -y   store symbolic links as the link instead of the referenced file
   -h   show this help               -n   don't compress these suffixes
[G412:~] sahores%

Gott zieh dankt, we can ;)

Best, Pierre
>
> Anyway, thanks a lot...
>
>> Tchuss :)
>
> -> Tsch&uuml;ss ;-)
>
>
> Au revoir, mon ami...
>
> Klaus Major
> klaus at major-k.de
> http://www.major-k.de
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>

From sarahr at genesearch.com.au  Tue Dec 14 18:33:39 2004
From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 09:33:39 +1000
Subject: revCopyFolder problems in Rev 2.5
In-Reply-To: <001b01c4e22f$65c5f930$64fea8c0@chris1>
References: <001b01c4e22f$65c5f930$64fea8c0@chris1>
Message-ID: <956C8AD2-4E28-11D9-8AD4-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au>

Hi Chris,

To copy an app bundle, you need to use revCopyFile - even though it is 
really a folder :-)

Sarah

On 15 Dec 2004, at 8:53 am, Chris Sheffield wrote:

> Thanks, Sarah.  Did you try it on an app bundle by chance?  That's 
> what I'm
> trying to copy.  Should have specified that in the first place.  Sorry.
>
> Chris Sheffield
> Software Development
> Read Naturally
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
> [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Sarah 
> Reichelt
> Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 3:31 PM
> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: Re: revCopyFolder problems in Rev 2.5
>
>> Does anyone know if revCopyFolder is broken in Rev 2.5 build 2?  I'm
>> having
>> problems with it.  Calling "the result" right after it returns
>> "execution
>> error".  If I revert back to Rev 2.2 it works fine.  Anyone else had
>> problems with this?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Chris Sheffield
>> Software Development
>> Read Naturally
>>
> Works fine here, but I have done the updates. OS X 10.3.6
>
> Cheers,
> Sarah
>
> _______________________________________________
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Dec 14 19:16:50 2004
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 18:16:50 -0600
Subject: Dreamcard Player - help
In-Reply-To: <64D89D22-4E1B-11D9-8BF1-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>
References: <20041214213644.XCPE17983.fed1rmmtao02.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net>
	<64D89D22-4E1B-11D9-8BF1-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>
Message-ID: <41BF8272.1000908@hyperactivesw.com>

On 12/14/04 3:59 PM, Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote:

> If you need to contact Rev's support, this is not the place for it; try 
> support at runrev.com, or check out http://support.runrev.com.

Except that support now sends most everyone to this list when possible, 
as users must purchase a support incident unless it is just an 
installation/up-and-running issue. So asking here first is appropriate.

> 
> As far as why that does not work against the player unless the developer 
> is installed, that sounds a bit strange.  Are these the only differences 
> between the two machines?  Are you sure there is not some other 
> substantial difference in the configuration?  Maybe one has WinXP and 
> the other Win2K, or QuickTime is installed on one and not the other...

I'm seeing a lot of this type of complaint. As near as I can tell, the 
Player is missing some components -- some of them crucial. I just 
haven't figured out which ones yet. I need to do that.


-- 
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HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com

From alw918 at earthlink.net  Tue Dec 14 19:30:02 2004
From: alw918 at earthlink.net (Andrew)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:30:02 -0800
Subject: Image in white rectangle
In-Reply-To: <20041214170018.19697930127@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <7577F117-4E30-11D9-8106-000393DD0724@earthlink.net>

Hi, list. I have a quick question.  When importing an image, it always 
appears inside a white rectangle.  Is there any way to set the white to 
"transparent"?
Thanks!


From dick.kriesel at mail.com  Tue Dec 14 19:42:36 2004
From: dick.kriesel at mail.com (Dick Kriesel)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:42:36 -0800
Subject: No mouseUp
In-Reply-To: <ACDE4B6A-4D3E-11D9-B6A4-000D933610BE@mac.com>
Message-ID: <BDE4C87C.C072%dick.kriesel@mail.com>

On 12/13/04 11:39 AM, "Roger Guay" <irog at mac.com> wrote:

> I have the following script in a List field and the mouseUp handler
> doesn't work!  I noticed that it is the "set the dragData" line in the
> mouseDown that disables the mouseUp.  Can someone please tell me what's
> going on and how I can keep the mouseUp?
> 
> 
> on mouseDown
>  get the hilitedLines of me
>  set the dragData to line it of me
> end mouseDown
> 
> on mouseUp
>  beep 2
> end mouseUp

If you paste the following into the script of your list field, and then
drag, you can see in the message box what messages fire when.

(After you paste, you may need to delete the extra linefeeds that email line
wrapping causes.)

on mouseDown
  if the clickLine is empty then
   put param(0) & return
  else
    put param(0) && the clickLine & ": " & the value of the clickLine &
return
    set the dragData["text"] to the value of the clickLine
  end if
end mouseDown

on mouseUp
  if the clickLine is empty then
    put param(0) & return after msg
  else
    put param(0) && the clickLine & ": " & the dragData["text"] & return
after msg
  end if
end mouseUp

on dragDrop
  put word 2 of the clickLine into tMouseDownLineNumber
  put word 2 of the mouseLine into tMouseUpLineNumber
  put param(0) && "from line" && tMouseDownLineNumber && "onto line" &&
tMouseUpLineNumber & return after msg
  if tMouseUpLineNumber < tMouseDownLineNumber then -- note: moving up
    delete line tMouseDownLineNumber of me
    put the dragData["text"] & return before line tMouseUpLineNumber of me
  else if tMouseUpLineNumber > tMouseDownLineNumber then -- note: moving
down
    put return & the dragData["text"] after line tMouseUpLineNumber of me
    delete line tMouseDownLineNumber of me
  else if tMouseUpLineNumber is empty then -- note: moving past the last
line
    delete line tMouseDownLineNumber of me
    put return & the dragData["text"] after me
  else
    put "it appears to be a click on line" && tMouseDownLineNumber & return
after msg
  end if
  if the last char of me is return then put "last line is empty" & return
after msg
  set the acceptDrop to "false"
end dragDrop

on dragEnd
  put param(0) && the clickLine & ": " & the dragData["text"] & return after
msg
end dragEnd

on dragEnter
  put param(0) && the clickLine & ": " & the dragData["text"] & return after
msg
  set the acceptDrop to "true"
end dragEnter

on dragLeave
  put param(0) && the clickLine & ": " & the dragData["text"] & return after
msg
end dragLeave


HTH.  Does it?


From dsc at swcp.com  Tue Dec 14 19:52:38 2004
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 17:52:38 -0700
Subject: Image in white rectangle
In-Reply-To: <7577F117-4E30-11D9-8106-000393DD0724@earthlink.net>
References: <7577F117-4E30-11D9-8106-000393DD0724@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <9DEFA10C-4E33-11D9-A82F-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>


On Dec 14, 2004, at 5:30 PM, Andrew wrote:

> When importing an image, it always appears inside a white rectangle.  
> Is there any way to set the white to "transparent"?

I don't see that in a quick test I did.  Maybe the border got turned 
on, somehow.

Or do you mean the image itself has a white rectangle?

If the white is only at the edge...  In that case you can write a small 
script to get the imageData, and compute an alphaData and set that.

Or you might be running across bug 560 or bug 1090, where transparency 
is lost.  The first is a problem in pasting an image.  The second is a 
problem of transparency being lost when the card changes.

Dar Scott

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From irog at mac.com  Tue Dec 14 20:24:56 2004
From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 17:24:56 -0800
Subject: No mouseUp
In-Reply-To: <20041214221504.7E81C93014F@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20041214221504.7E81C93014F@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <20EBECC4-4E38-11D9-B9EA-000D933610BE@mac.com>


On Dec 14, 2004, at 2:15 PM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com 
wrote:

> Message: 20
> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 08:19:35 +1000
> From: Sarah Reichelt <sarahr at genesearch.com.au>
> Subject: Re: No mouseUp
> To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Message-ID: <3C7E6CDD-4E1E-11D9-8AD4-0003937A97B8 at genesearch.com.au>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
>
>>>> I have the following script in a List field and the mouseUp handler
>>>> doesn't work!  I noticed that it is the "set the dragData" line in
>>>> the
>>>> mouseDown that disables the mouseUp.  Can someone please tell me
>>>> what's going on and how I can keep the mouseUp?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> on mouseDown
>>>>   get the hilitedLines of me
>>>>   set the dragData to line it of me
>>>> end mouseDown
>>>>
>>>> on mouseUp
>>>>   beep 2
>>>> end mouseUp
>>>>
>>> Hi Roger,
>>>
>>> I would guess that because you have started a drag operation, mouseUp
>>> is not going to happen. Try looking for a dragEnd message instead.
>>>
>>> Sarah
>>
>> Hello Sarah,
>>
>> Thanks for responding.  Unfortunately, dragEnd does not work.  I also
>> tried dragLeave and it works OK as a replacement for mouseUp.  but it
>> also works when in the process of dragging as you would expect.  I
>> really need to work this out as my app requires both drag and drop and
>> mouseUp events.  Any other suggestions or work-around?
>>
>> Thanks very much, Roger
>>
> The only other suggestion I have is to have multiple dragDrop routines:
> one in the original button so if the user effectively cancels the drag
> by letting the mouse go on that button, you can handle it as if it was
> mouseUp. Then in the stack or card or destination object, have another
> dragDrop that actually deals with the dropped data.
>
> Sarah

Dang!  That does not work either!!!  This is such a common interface 
that I would think that something could be done???  All I want to do is 
drag a content title to different folders and yet be able to click on 
that title to view it's content.  There has got to be a way to do this.

Thanks very much for any other suggestions.

Cheers, Roger


From dsc at swcp.com  Tue Dec 14 20:27:56 2004
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 18:27:56 -0700
Subject: revCopyFolder problems in Rev 2.5
In-Reply-To: <956C8AD2-4E28-11D9-8AD4-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au>
References: <001b01c4e22f$65c5f930$64fea8c0@chris1>
	<956C8AD2-4E28-11D9-8AD4-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au>
Message-ID: <8C225AAB-4E38-11D9-A82F-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>


On Dec 14, 2004, at 4:33 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

> To copy an app bundle, you need to use revCopyFile - even though it is 
> really a folder :-)

The doc entry for revCopyFile says the opposite.  Is the doc wrong?

Dar Scott

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From dsc at swcp.com  Tue Dec 14 20:57:02 2004
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 18:57:02 -0700
Subject: No mouseUp
In-Reply-To: <20EBECC4-4E38-11D9-B9EA-000D933610BE@mac.com>
References: <20041214221504.7E81C93014F@mail.runrev.com>
	<20EBECC4-4E38-11D9-B9EA-000D933610BE@mac.com>
Message-ID: <9D1F665E-4E3C-11D9-A82F-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>


On Dec 14, 2004, at 6:24 PM, Roger Guay wrote:

>> The only other suggestion I have is to have multiple dragDrop 
>> routines:
>> one in the original button so if the user effectively cancels the drag
>> by letting the mouse go on that button, you can handle it as if it was
>> mouseUp. Then in the stack or card or destination object, have another
>> dragDrop that actually deals with the dropped data.
>>
>> Sarah
>
> Dang!  That does not work either!!!  This is such a common interface 
> that I would think that something could be done???  All I want to do 
> is drag a content title to different folders and yet be able to click 
> on that title to view it's content.  There has got to be a way to do 
> this.

Something similar works for me.

To make it work I had to set acceptDrop to true right after setting the 
dragData.

Dar Scott

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From gwills at ozemail.com.au  Tue Dec 14 21:24:40 2004
From: gwills at ozemail.com.au (gwills at ozemail.com.au)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 13:24:40 +1100
Subject: Screen area blocker
Message-ID: <20041215022440.ITNG27218.swebmail00.mail.ozemail.net@localhost>

Hi All

I am wondering if anyone has any comments on if this can be done.

I am working with a student who has a severe physical disability. She is attending a regular High School and participating in the mainstream academic program. She is accessing some computer programs that I have developed using a "smartNav" mouse that is controlled by her head.

Some commercial software is not as user friendly as it could be - as she is still developing precise control of the mouse.

What I am wanting to do is have a program that can block out certain areas of the commercial program. A bit like a piece of cardboard placed over the screen so that only specific areas are accessed by the mouse.

Can Rev be written so that it is always sitting on top of any program that is running, thus blocking out unwanted mouse clicks into distracting areas of the program.

I look forward to any options. Thanks.

Greg Wills

This message was sent through MyMail http://www.mymail.com.au



From dsc at swcp.com  Tue Dec 14 21:44:34 2004
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 19:44:34 -0700
Subject: Screen area blocker
In-Reply-To: <20041215022440.ITNG27218.swebmail00.mail.ozemail.net@localhost>
References: <20041215022440.ITNG27218.swebmail00.mail.ozemail.net@localhost>
Message-ID: <40C4EA3D-4E43-11D9-A82F-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>


On Dec 14, 2004, at 7:24 PM, <gwills at ozemail.com.au> wrote:

> Can Rev be written so that it is always sitting on top of any program 
> that is running, thus blocking out unwanted mouse clicks into 
> distracting areas of the program.
>
> I look forward to any options. Thanks.

Perhaps setting the systemWindow property on the main stack of an 
Revolution standalone will get you much of the way there.  The window 
can be an odd shape, too.

If the position of the commercial software window is not fixed, then 
the standalone window should follow it.  I don't have any ideas for 
that part.

Dar Scott

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From alw918 at earthlink.net  Tue Dec 14 22:27:52 2004
From: alw918 at earthlink.net (Andrew)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 19:27:52 -0800
Subject: image in white rectangle
In-Reply-To: <20041215023949.D8EC1930167@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <4D86FA4E-4E49-11D9-818A-000393DD0724@earthlink.net>

oh, perhaps I didn't explain myself well.
Say I'm importing an image of a person standing in full figure against 
a white background.  When this image is in front of another larger 
image, you can see the white background behind the person.  I just want 
to make the white background behind the person invisible so it just 
looks like the person is standing in front of the other picture.

Thanks!
On Tuesday, December 14, 2004, at 06:39  PM, 
use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com wrote:

> On Dec 14, 2004, at 5:30 PM, Andrew wrote:
>
>> When importing an image, it always appears inside a white rectangle.
>> Is there any way to set the white to "transparent"?
>
> I don't see that in a quick test I did.  Maybe the border got turned
> on, somehow.
>
> Or do you mean the image itself has a white rectangle?
>
> If the white is only at the edge...  In that case you can write a small
> script to get the imageData, and compute an alphaData and set that.
>
> Or you might be running across bug 560 or bug 1090, where transparency
> is lost.  The first is a problem in pasting an image.  The second is a
> problem of transparency being lost when the card changes.


From david at kwinter.ca  Tue Dec 14 22:57:45 2004
From: david at kwinter.ca (David Kwinter)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 19:57:45 -0800
Subject: image in white rectangle
References: <4D86FA4E-4E49-11D9-818A-000393DD0724@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <00ba01c4e25a$3c6ae930$fd01a8c0@davidvq5o4w7vw>

You want to make the white part of your image transparent. There's a tool to 
do this, but it only makes 1 specific color transparent. Superior would be a 
tool that anti-aliased the edges using alphadata.

The tool is in Development Menu/Revolution Online/User 
Spaces/Category/Programming/Makes transp...


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andrew" <alw918 at earthlink.net>
To: <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 7:27 PM
Subject: Re: image in white rectangle


> oh, perhaps I didn't explain myself well.
> Say I'm importing an image of a person standing in full figure against a 
> white background.  When this image is in front of another larger image, 
> you can see the white background behind the person.  I just want to make 
> the white background behind the person invisible so it just looks like the 
> person is standing in front of the other picture.
>
> Thanks!
> On Tuesday, December 14, 2004, at 06:39  PM, 
> use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com wrote:
>
>> On Dec 14, 2004, at 5:30 PM, Andrew wrote:
>>
>>> When importing an image, it always appears inside a white rectangle.
>>> Is there any way to set the white to "transparent"?
>>
>> I don't see that in a quick test I did.  Maybe the border got turned
>> on, somehow.
>>
>> Or do you mean the image itself has a white rectangle?
>>
>> If the white is only at the edge...  In that case you can write a small
>> script to get the imageData, and compute an alphaData and set that.
>>
>> Or you might be running across bug 560 or bug 1090, where transparency
>> is lost.  The first is a problem in pasting an image.  The second is a
>> problem of transparency being lost when the card changes.
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> 


From sarahr at genesearch.com.au  Tue Dec 14 23:11:54 2004
From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 14:11:54 +1000
Subject: revCopyFolder problems in Rev 2.5
In-Reply-To: <8C225AAB-4E38-11D9-A82F-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
References: <001b01c4e22f$65c5f930$64fea8c0@chris1>
	<956C8AD2-4E28-11D9-8AD4-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au>
	<8C225AAB-4E38-11D9-A82F-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <74174EF8-4E4F-11D9-8AD4-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au>

I didn't read the docs, I just tested it :-)
If you use "answer folder" or it's AppleScript equivalent, you can't 
select an app bundle. Only "answer file" allows you to select an app 
bundle, so I assumed that Rev would treat it like a file and copy it 
using revCopyFile. On testing, this did indeed work and the copied app 
had all it's bundle contents with it.

Cheers,
Sarah

On 15 Dec 2004, at 11:30 am, Dar Scott wrote:

>
> On Dec 14, 2004, at 4:33 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:
>
>> To copy an app bundle, you need to use revCopyFile - even though it 
>> is really a folder :-)
>
> The doc entry for revCopyFile says the opposite.  Is the doc wrong?
>
> Dar Scott


From dsc at swcp.com  Tue Dec 14 23:21:37 2004
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 21:21:37 -0700
Subject: image in white rectangle
In-Reply-To: <4D86FA4E-4E49-11D9-818A-000393DD0724@earthlink.net>
References: <4D86FA4E-4E49-11D9-818A-000393DD0724@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <D0114D1A-4E50-11D9-A82F-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>


On Dec 14, 2004, at 8:27 PM, Andrew wrote:

> Say I'm importing an image of a person standing in full figure against 
> a white background.  When this image is in front of another larger 
> image, you can see the white background behind the person.  I just 
> want to make the white background behind the person invisible so it 
> just looks like the person is standing in front of the other picture.

For soft edges, your best bet might be to bring the image into an image 
editing program such as Photoshop, make parts transparent and then save 
it as a PNG file.

If the image isn't a person or the ragged edge is OK, you can try the 
tool David suggested.

Or you can modify the script suggestion I made to soften the edges.  I 
doubt this would be as good as what an image editing program can do.  
Unless you do something like cut the size in half or third at the same 
time.

You can also erase parts with the eraser, but that will have ragged 
edges.

If your background is white and no other components are near the edge 
of the picture, then the ragged edge might be OK.

Dar Scott

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From mfstuart at cox.net  Tue Dec 14 23:26:32 2004
From: mfstuart at cox.net (Mark Stuart)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 20:26:32 -0800
Subject: Dreamcard Player - help
Message-ID: <000c01c4e25e$4151ce60$636f0444@stuart>

Frank,

 

There are differences between the two computers.

 

WINXP: (home computer)

- Developer

- No Quicktime

- MAForums works with Developer & Player

 

WIN2000: (work computer)

- No Developer

- Player

- has Quicktime

- MAForums does open, but does not return data to the form from the MA
Forum, when clicking on the Load button.

 

Not sure why the Quicktime would make a difference - whether installed or
not.

 

 

 

Thanx,

 

Mark Stuart


From mfstuart at cox.net  Tue Dec 14 23:30:17 2004
From: mfstuart at cox.net (Mark Stuart)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 20:30:17 -0800
Subject: Dreamcard Player - help
Message-ID: <001101c4e25e$c7b33430$636f0444@stuart>

Sarah,

 

I will check the computer folders where the Player is installed,
specifically the global environment folder for revlibrary.rev.

If all this is the same on both computers, I think my next step is to
contact RunRev support for installation/deployment configuration
requirements for this kind of application.

 

Thanx,

 

Mark Stuart


From gbojsza at gmail.com  Tue Dec 14 23:38:54 2004
From: gbojsza at gmail.com (Glen Bojsza)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 23:38:54 -0500
Subject: Process confusion on Windows XP
Message-ID: <3d8af4150412142038782a904@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I am trying to use Rev's process command on a Windows XP machine
(using Rev 2.5).

The goal is to:

open a cmd window

change directories

start a dos program (it is interactive) in the cmd window 

read and write to the dos program

So far I have been able to open a cmd window but I notice that it is
different than the cmd window opened by windows (Start --> Run...
-->cmd).

The difference is the one opened by Rev only has a flashing cursor and
not the text and prompt that normally appears.

I would really appreciate it if someone can offer a suggestion or a
sample stack. Since the dos program is interactive I don't think that
there is any other Rev commands that would work?

thanks,

Glen

From tominjapan at excite.com  Tue Dec 14 23:44:58 2004
From: tominjapan at excite.com (Thomas McCarthy)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 23:44:58 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Painless GCI info please (esp. hosting)
Message-ID: <20041215044458.D0D8D3DE4@xprdmailfe8.nwk.excite.com>


I'd like to put some of my work (for teachers-mostly text manipulation stuff) onto the web for easy access. My current provider doesn't allow much in the way of CGI access.
My question:
Is there a provider you'd recommend for Rev CGI hosting. My primary concerns are cost and ease in that order. Since I don't plan to make any money from my effort, I'd rather not pay monthly to make it available.

Any suggestions would be most welcome,
tom mccarthy

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From docmann at gmail.com  Tue Dec 14 23:48:00 2004
From: docmann at gmail.com (docmann)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 22:48:00 -0600
Subject: Dreamcard Player - help
In-Reply-To: <001101c4e25e$c7b33430$636f0444@stuart>
References: <001101c4e25e$c7b33430$636f0444@stuart>
Message-ID: <9d58de7d04121420484873494a@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Mark,
If it's any consolation, I also have a couple of threads currently
running on the list about issues with the player not functioning with
a mySQL database.

With my testing, running my stack from the development environment on
either Linux or XP, works as expected, but the same stacks do not run
in the player on either O/S.  I've tried just about every possible
combination as to where to place the support files without any luck.

Hopefully someone from support will have a look to see what the
problem might be. Waiting patiently.... :)

On another note, don't be too discouraged about the Rev products in
general. I've been watching/testing the development of Rev since the
very early days and it's really quite remarkable just how far it's
progressed.

Problems with the player or not, I'm still convinced that it's the
best multi-platform development tool available and will upgrade to the
studio version shortly.

-Doc-

On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 20:30:17 -0800, Mark Stuart <mfstuart at cox.net> wrote:
> Sarah,
> 
> I will check the computer folders where the Player is installed,
> specifically the global environment folder for revlibrary.rev.
> 
> If all this is the same on both computers, I think my next step is to
> contact RunRev support for installation/deployment configuration
> requirements for this kind of application.
> 
> 
> Thanx,
> 
> Mark Stuart
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>

From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Dec 15 00:17:46 2004
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 21:17:46 -0800
Subject: Painless GCI info please (esp. hosting)
In-Reply-To: <20041215044458.D0D8D3DE4@xprdmailfe8.nwk.excite.com>
References: <20041215044458.D0D8D3DE4@xprdmailfe8.nwk.excite.com>
Message-ID: <41BFC8FA.8000903@fourthworld.com>

Thomas McCarthy wrote:
 > I'd like to put some of my work (for teachers-mostly text
 > manipulation stuff) onto the web for easy access. My current
 > provider doesn't allow much in the way of CGI access.
 > My question:
 > Is there a provider you'd recommend for Rev CGI hosting. My
 > primary concerns are cost and ease in that order. Since I
 > don't plan to make any money from my effort, I'd rather not
 > pay monthly to make it available.

Hosting services that let you run custom C-based CGIs and don't charge 
are hard to find.

If a decent monthy rate becomes acceptable, I can't say enough good 
things about TierraNet:  <http://www.tierra.net>

I was turned on to them by one of my clients, and I've been very happy: 
their fees are in line with market averages, their infrastructure is 
solid (redundant T3, on-site generator, nightly backup, etc.), and their 
service is among the best I've encountered after six years of reselling 
hosting.

TierraNet maintains a server farm pre-configured with the BSD libraries 
needed for the Rev engine -- if you sign up with them ask to be a server 
farm 2 to run MetaCard (I've been with them a while, so they only know 
the engine by its older name <g>).

I have half a dozen domains running Rev CGIs on TierraNet servers, with 
more in development.  FWIW, their FTP servers give me a really fast 
handshake -- that's a small detail, but when you log in as often as I do 
to upload scripts it makes a good difference in one's workflow. When I 
was hosted with Earthlink and XO the handshake would take several 
seconds, but with TierraNet it's rarely more than a second (then again, 
we're both in California so there are few hops to make).

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  __________________________________________________
  Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev

From b.xavier at internet.lu  Wed Dec 15 00:32:06 2004
From: b.xavier at internet.lu (MisterX)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 06:32:06 +0100
Subject: Process confusion on Windows XP
In-Reply-To: <3d8af4150412142038782a904@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20041215052258.5425D9300AC@mail.runrev.com>

Hi Glen,

try this stack

http://monsieurx.com/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=getit&lid=53

which demonstrates usage of cmd in NT or XP...

cheers
Xavier 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com 
> [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of 
> Glen Bojsza
> Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 05:39
> To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Subject: Process confusion on Windows XP
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I am trying to use Rev's process command on a Windows XP 
> machine (using Rev 2.5).
> 
> The goal is to:
> 
> open a cmd window
> 
> change directories
> 
> start a dos program (it is interactive) in the cmd window 
> 
> read and write to the dos program
> 
> So far I have been able to open a cmd window but I notice 
> that it is different than the cmd window opened by windows 
> (Start --> Run...
> -->cmd).
> 
> The difference is the one opened by Rev only has a flashing 
> cursor and not the text and prompt that normally appears.
> 
> I would really appreciate it if someone can offer a 
> suggestion or a sample stack. Since the dos program is 
> interactive I don't think that there is any other Rev 
> commands that would work?
> 
> thanks,
> 
> Glen
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From revolution at jaedworks.com  Wed Dec 15 01:05:38 2004
From: revolution at jaedworks.com (Jeanne A. E. DeVoto)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 22:05:38 -0800
Subject: revCopyFolder problems in Rev 2.5
In-Reply-To: <8C225AAB-4E38-11D9-A82F-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
References: <001b01c4e22f$65c5f930$64fea8c0@chris1>
 <956C8AD2-4E28-11D9-8AD4-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au>
 <8C225AAB-4E38-11D9-A82F-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <p06200793bde5832b1b46@[66.93.39.98]>

At 6:27 PM -0700 12/14/2004, Dar Scott wrote:
>On Dec 14, 2004, at 4:33 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:
>>To copy an app bundle, you need to use revCopyFile - even though it 
>>is really a folder :-)
>
>The doc entry for revCopyFile says the opposite.  Is the doc wrong?


I think this behavior changed a version or two ago, so yes, it likely 
is incorrect...
-- 
jeanne a. e. devoto ~ revolution at jaedworks.com
http://www.jaedworks.com

From sims at ezpzapps.com  Wed Dec 15 01:50:22 2004
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (sims)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 07:50:22 +0100
Subject: Video_Input.rev
In-Reply-To: <173AB2EF-4E1F-11D9-8AD4-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au>
References: <p06110420bde4fa254f19@[10.0.0.3]>
 <173AB2EF-4E1F-11D9-8AD4-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au>
Message-ID: <p06110409bde58d0ef35d@[10.0.0.3]>

>RevOnline - Learning Centre - Sample stacks has a Video Capture 
>stack which I think is the same as the old Video_Input stack.
>
>Sarah

Thanks Sarah...but attempting to enter "Sample Projects" results in
an error "There was an error executing a script in stack revOnline. No more
information is available because the stack is password protected."

"Sample Scripts" is available but  "Sample Projects" is not. That would make
for a frustrating learning experience   :-/  for newbies.

Klaus sent me the stack anyway - now all I need is for someone to send
me a nice video camera   :-)

ciao
sims
EuroRevCon  2006
Be there or be octagonal!


From mfstuart at cox.net  Wed Dec 15 02:06:45 2004
From: mfstuart at cox.net (Mark Stuart)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 23:06:45 -0800
Subject: Dreamcard Player - help
Message-ID: <000001c4e274$a37f01f0$636f0444@stuart>

Hi Doc,

 

Thanx for the encouragement. I've been spending a few hours checking/testing
Dreamcard for my possible use.

Out of the box (so to speak) the player hasn't proved anything as yet, which
now includes your report. I hope someone at Runrev is reading this to give
some response on such situations.

 

I also develop for the PDA platform, and with this software, the company has
a forum. In this forum users are able to help and be helped. Not only by the
users, but also the company staff/developers themselves - they get online
and help users.

I think that the company HAS to play a daily role in contributing to their
forum.

 

Someone mentioned on one of my threads that Runrev support would respond if
contacted concerning installation and configuration of this software. As I
mentioned above, I hope they're reading first time users submissions to this
forum, to not only encourage (as you have done) but to retain their new
users.

 

Mark


From mfstuart at cox.net  Wed Dec 15 02:07:08 2004
From: mfstuart at cox.net (Mark Stuart)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 23:07:08 -0800
Subject: Dreamcard Player - help
Message-ID: <000001c4e274$b128a090$636f0444@stuart>

Hi Doc,

 

Thanx for the encouragement. I've been spending a few hours checking/testing
Dreamcard for my possible use.

Out of the box (so to speak) the player hasn't proved anything as yet, which
now includes your report. I hope someone at Runrev is reading this to give
some response on such situations.

 

I also develop for the PDA platform, and with this software, the company has
a forum. In this forum users are able to help and be helped. Not only by the
users, but also the company staff/developers themselves - they get online
and help users.

I think that the company HAS to play a daily role in contributing to their
forum.

 

Someone mentioned on one of my threads that Runrev support would respond if
contacted concerning installation and configuration of this software. As I
mentioned above, I hope they're reading first time users submissions to this
forum, to not only encourage (as you have done) but to retain their new
users.

 

Mark


From frank at backtalk.com  Wed Dec 15 04:48:12 2004
From: frank at backtalk.com (Frank Leahy)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 09:48:12 +0000
Subject: revCopyFolder problems in Rev 2.5
In-Reply-To: <20041215023949.F0CE993018D@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20041215023949.F0CE993018D@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <6F260083-4E7E-11D9-B5B8-000A9580FCCE@backtalk.com>

Chris,

You might look at the code of revCopyFolder and see if it's doing 
something different in 2.2 vs 2.5.  You can find the code by selecting 
"View: Rev UI Elements In Lists" from the menu bar, then opening the 
Application Browser and looking for the revLibrary stack, selecting 
"card id 1002", then looking at the script for button "revCommon".  In 
that script you'll find the code for revCopyFolder.  In 2.2 mine shows

     get shell ("cp -rf" && quote&pSrcFolder&quote && 
quote&pDestFolder&quote)

for OS X, with other values for System 9 and Windows.

-- Frank

Web Photos Pro: Software for Photo Bloggers and Other Photo Power Users
See us on the web at http://www.webphotospro.com/

On Dec 15, 2004, at 2:39 AM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com 
wrote:

> Subject: Re: revCopyFolder problems in Rev 2.5
> To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Message-ID: <C5047884-4E1F-11D9-8AD4-0003937A97B8 at genesearch.com.au>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
>
>> Does anyone know if revCopyFolder is broken in Rev 2.5 build 2?  I'm
>> having
>> problems with it.  Calling "the result" right after it returns
>> "execution
>> error".  If I revert back to Rev 2.2 it works fine.  Anyone else had
>> problems with this?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Chris Sheffield
>> Software Development
>> Read Naturally
>>
> Works fine here, but I have done the updates. OS X 10.3.6
>
> Cheers,
> Sarah
>


From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Wed Dec 15 04:50:32 2004
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 09:50:32 +0000
Subject: image in white rectangle
In-Reply-To: <D0114D1A-4E50-11D9-A82F-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <BDE5B968.25F14%benr_mc@cogapp.com>

Andrew wrote:
> Say I'm importing an image of a person standing in full figure against
> a white background.  When this image is in front of another larger
> image, you can see the white background behind the person.  I just want
> to make the white background behind the person invisible so it just
> looks like the person is standing in front of the other picture.

I can testify that doing this to a real world image is not trivial (and
doing it fast, even more so).

I used Rev a couple of years ago for an application where members of the
public took a photo of themselves in front of a blue screen, and then used a
touchscreen to manipulate the photo in various ways (adding different
backgrounds, props etc).  The project was ultimately a success (and I still
get a very entertaining check feed of images, peaking at around 50 a day)
but it was a nightmare, and we wrote off a bundle on it.

I confidently and naively assumed that I would take an RGB point that was
the 'pure' (or at least average) bluescreen colour, construct a sphere
around this, and make transparent any pixel with a colour in this space.
Then I decide I needed an inner and outer sphere, with a penumbra of
transparency falling off from one to the other.  Then I tried something
else, ... and so it went on.

I was partly handicapped by the architects (who decided that they didn't
like the standard bluescreen colour, and went for a dark green instead (!)
and also ignored everything we told them about lighting for blue screen, and
saved money by using the worst possible option.  And the speed issue was
greatly magnified because although I coded the backend app which took the
photo and added transparency in Revolution, I lost the battle to have the
frontend app in Revolution as well; it was coded in Director, which proved
to be a massive cycle hog.  My app which took 10 seconds (which seemed long
but acceptable) to process the image when running in the foreground, took
four minutes when Director - doing nothing - was active.  So that put the
pressure on.

But the whole experience greatly increased my respect for Photoshop et al!
There's no such thing as a flat colour in a real-world photo.  And depending
on the image source, all sorts of strange colour pixels can turn up in an
area which broadly looks like one colour.

Depending on your application, I'd say: either allow for a _lot_ of
development time; explore the ways in which you can alter the environment
(making the source image more helpful is a lot easier than trying to solve
the problems afterwards); consider whether you might do better to build on
someone else's work, seeing if you could AppleScript Photoshop or a similar
app to do this work for you.  Possibly all of the above!
 
  Ben Rubinstein               |  Email: benr_mc at cogapp.com
  Cognitive Applications Ltd   |  Phone: +44 (0)1273-821600
  http://www.cogapp.com        |  Fax  : +44 (0)1273-728866


From chipp at chipp.com  Wed Dec 15 05:03:55 2004
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 02:03:55 -0800
Subject: adjust system volume on WinXP?
Message-ID: <41C00C0B.7020601@chipp.com>

I can adjust the 'application' volume using the playLoudness command. 
But, how can I adjust the overall system volume?

Try this: Start winamp or your favorite mp3 player and load it with a song.

set the volume of the player to it's loudest.
Now go into Rev and type in the msg:
set the playloudness to 10 (volume gets lower)
set the playloudness to 100 (volume gets higher)

so, one would think it does affect globally..not so fast.

now go to the volume control panel and set the slider to almost the 
bottom so that you can barely hear the audio.

No go into Rev and type into the msg:

set the playloudness to 100.
nothing changes, the volume is still very low.

Any ideas anyone?

-Chipp

From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Wed Dec 15 05:11:19 2004
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 10:11:19 +0000
Subject: parsing comments in scripts
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20041213215905.028c8c98@mail.tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <BDE5BE47.25F18%benr_mc@cogapp.com>

Alex Tweedly wrote:
> If you want the editor to have an "uncomment the entire handler" command,
> then it's going to need to look into comments, to see whether or not
> removing the leading comment indicator would leave a line which could then
> be a start / finish of a handler. Doesn't seem too bad to me - but I know
> there were concerns about the interpreter (now the editor) looking at
> comments and guessing about their meaning.

Two possible solutions here (I didn't say either were pretty):

* 'Comment Handler' finds the start and end of the handler that the
insertion point lies in; and extends this range of lines to incorporate any
contiguous comment lines.  It then adds "-- " to the start of every line in
this range.  Hence:

    -- a comment about foo
    --
    on foo x
       -- put x into it
       get x
    end foo

becomes

    -- -- a comment about this
    -- --
    -- on foo x
    --    -- put x into it
    --    get x
    -- end foo

'Uncomment Handler' then takes the contiguous range of commented lines round
the insertion point, and removes the initial "-- " from each one - thus
restoring previous comments as they were.


* we've got range comments now, /* */.  So 'Comment Handler' could work like
this:

    -- a comment about foo
    --
    /* on foo x
       -- put x into it
       get x
    end foo */

Then 'Uncomment Handler' searches up and down from the insertion point for
some pretty easily recognised patterns: "/* on <label>" or "/* function
<label>" up, and "end <label> */" down.  If these don't match, or it finds
strange variants out of order, then it does the best it can or gives up and
leaves the user to figure it out.  (I don't know whether /* */ comments
nest; if not then Comment Handler should disable internal occurences, eg
changing to "/--*" and "*--/", and Uncomment Handler reverse this.)

Whatever, I do think the concept that 'junk' should be acceptable outside a
handler is a dangerous hangover, and should be abandoned.  I used to take
advantage of this in HyperCard too (I stored data in scripts, since they
were effectively the only properties available for all objects) but switched
with relief to using custom properties in MC/Rev.  Since there's now a real
issue (the fact that some statements from inside a 'commented' handler can
take effect outside the handler) and we have range comments anyway, the
worst that we're asking people to do, even if no additional conveniences are
provided in the script editor, is find the bottom of their handler to add
the close comment there.

How about we just request a simpler Script Editor enhancement - jump to end
of current handler?
 
  Ben Rubinstein               |  Email: benr_mc at cogapp.com
  Cognitive Applications Ltd   |  Phone: +44 (0)1273-821600
  http://www.cogapp.com        |  Fax  : +44 (0)1273-728866


From xbury.cs at clearstream.com  Wed Dec 15 05:53:03 2004
From: xbury.cs at clearstream.com (xbury.cs at clearstream.com)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 11:53:03 +0100
Subject: adjust system volume on WinXP?
Message-ID: <OF899CD99B.849326E6-ONC1256F6B.003B7038-C1256F6B.003BC9F9@deutsche-boerse.de>

Depends on the applications... windows Media player changes the
system's volume - but it's an exception... Most apps have their own
settings (winamp doesn't...).

So I would assume rev is also independent...

In other setups, (my terratec 96/24), you have another layer of volume 
to control each i/o and the mixer which is also independent of teh system.

Fruityloops has one volume per channel in addition to the app global
volume... So its 4 levels of volume boosting you can play with to get
crap recordings to sound great and loud! ;))

Experiment... 

Xavier

On 15.12.2004 11:03:55 use-revolution-bounces wrote:
>I can adjust the 'application' volume using the playLoudness command.
>But, how can I adjust the overall system volume?
>
>Try this: Start winamp or your favorite mp3 player and load it with a 
song.
>
>set the volume of the player to it's loudest.
>Now go into Rev and type in the msg:
>set the playloudness to 10 (volume gets lower)
>set the playloudness to 100 (volume gets higher)
>
>so, one would think it does affect globally..not so fast.
>
>now go to the volume control panel and set the slider to almost the
>bottom so that you can barely hear the audio.
>
>No go into Rev and type into the msg:
>
>set the playloudness to 100.
>nothing changes, the volume is still very low.
>
>Any ideas anyone?
>
>-Chipp
>_______________________________________________
>use-revolution mailing list
>use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution

From ausgames2000 at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 15 05:58:59 2004
From: ausgames2000 at yahoo.com (James Russell)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 02:58:59 -0800 (PST)
Subject: New Revolution Game
Message-ID: <20041215105859.11911.qmail@web53010.mail.yahoo.com>

Hello all,

I've been busy in the trenches these past few months
tinkering away at a dream of mine. I'm heading off to
university next year for a Biomolecular degree, during
the middle of this year I suddenly realized that I
wouldn't have much free time once I began. So I
thought to myself, what would I like to accomplish
before then... To create one last game of course!

Now, although this is still in alpha stages (meaning
not all features are included/working) I decided to do
a special release to the revolution community. To
describe it best I would say its a cross between an
RTS, an RPG and Sim game. I've designed the game
around the limits of revolution, or that could rather
be my limits :) Which makes the game feel quite unique
(I hope you feel the same when playing it).

This is a double-edged blade as they say. One, I hope
to hear some feedback (like every author does)
including (hopefully not though) if it doesn't work.
Second, to get some more games flowing through the rev
community damnit! :P

http://www.taggedsoftware.com/revolution.html

Enjoy,
Jeremy
jeremy at taggedsoftware.com


		
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From klaus at major-k.de  Wed Dec 15 07:20:27 2004
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 13:20:27 +0100
Subject: ZIP on OS X
In-Reply-To: <33D949B4-4E26-11D9-8D93-000A95C61E96@easynet.fr>
References: <33D949B4-4E26-11D9-8D93-000A95C61E96@easynet.fr>
Message-ID: <B445AA13-4E93-11D9-B3AF-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>

Bon jour Pierre,

> Hello again Klaus,
>
> Le 14 d?c. 04, ? 23:27, Klaus Major a ?crit :
>> Bon soir Pierre,
>>> Hello Klaus,
>>>
>>> on mouseup
>>>   put shell ("zip /Users/sahores/Desktop/dess-capture.qtbr.zip 
>>> /Users/sahores/Desktop/dess-capture.qtbr") into aaa
>>>   answer aaa
>>>    put shell ("unzip -j /Users/sahores/Desktop/dess-capture.qtbr -d 
>>> /Users/sahores/Desktop/") into aaa
>>>   answer aaa
>>> end mouseup
>>>
>>> To get help about zip/unzip options, type in a shell window "zip 
>>> -h"/"unzip -h"
>>
>> Ah, tr?s bien! Merci beaucoup, monsieur!
>>
>> I was a bit disappointed since i knew that the command "zip" WAS 
>> available, but "man zip"
>> only gave "no manual entry for zip".
>>
>> But it looks like you cannot "zip" folders/apps this way :-(
>
> Yes you can, wirklich, but you will need to feet the right options in 
> "zip -h" / "unzip -h"
>
> Last login: Tue Dec 14 23:24:45 on ttyp2
> Welcome to Darwin!
> [G412:~] sahores% zip -h
> Copyright (C) 1990-1996 Mark Adler, Richard B. Wales, Jean-loup Gailly
> Onno van der Linden and Kai Uwe Rommel. Type 'zip -L' for the software 
> License.
> Zip 2.1 (April 27th 1996). Usage:
> zip [-options] [-b path] [-t mmddyy] [-n suffixes] [zipfile list] [-xi 
> list]
>   The default action is to add or replace zipfile entries from list, 
> which
>   can include the special name - to compress standard input.
>   If zipfile and list are omitted, zip compresses stdin to stdout.
>   -f   freshen: only changed files  -u   update: only changed or new 
> files
>   -d   delete entries in zipfile    -m   move into zipfile (delete 
> files)
>   -k   force MSDOS (8+3) file names -g   allow growing existing zipfile
>   -r   recurse into directories     -j   junk (don't record) directory 
> names
>   -0   store only                   -l   convert LF to CR LF (-ll CR 
> LF to LF)
>   -1   compress faster              -9   compress better
>   -q   quiet operation              -v   verbose operation/print 
> version info
>   -c   add one-line comments        -z   add zipfile comment
>   -b   use "path" for temp file     -t   only do files after "mmddyy"
>   -@   read names from stdin        -o   make zipfile as old as latest 
> entry
>   -x   exclude the following names  -i   include only the following 
> names
>   -F   fix zipfile (-FF try harder) -D   do not add directory entries
>   -A   adjust self-extracting exe   -J   junk zip file prefix 
> (unzipsfx)
>   -T   test zipfile integrity       -X   eXclude eXtra file attributes
>   -y   store symbolic links as the link instead of the referenced file
>   -h   show this help               -n   don't compress these suffixes
> [G412:~] sahores%
>
> Gott zieh dankt, we can ;)

Ehm, what language did you say is this? ;-)

I tried several options as mentioned here, but i always get:

...
zip warning: missing end signature--probably not a zip file (did you
zip warning: remember to use binary mode when you transferred it?)
...

which leads me to the assumption (i have to confess that the terminal's 
help/explanations
are a bit difficult to understand to me...) that "zip" can only be used 
to ADD something to
an EXISTING zip-file?

Anyway, i have a working solution with "ditto", but thanks a lot you 
for your help...

> Best, Pierre

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de


From xbury.cs at clearstream.com  Wed Dec 15 07:36:11 2004
From: xbury.cs at clearstream.com (xbury.cs at clearstream.com)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 13:36:11 +0100
Subject: adjust system volume on WinXP?
Message-ID: <OFFABD16FF.2D146E44-ONC1256F6B.00451FCD-C1256F6B.00453B27@deutsche-boerse.de>

On 15.12.2004 11:53:03 use-revolution-bounces wrote:

>blabla bla (winamp doesn't...) bla bla bla

I meant WinAmp doesn't affect the system's volume...

Sorry, I busted a buffer...

;)
X


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From alex at tweedly.net  Wed Dec 15 07:44:33 2004
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 12:44:33 +0000
Subject: Dreamcard Player - help
In-Reply-To: <000c01c4e25e$4151ce60$636f0444@stuart>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20041215123555.02a69618@mail.tweedly.net>

At 20:26 14/12/2004 -0800, Mark Stuart wrote:

>Frank,
>There are differences between the two computers.

summarized ... these are

home vs work
developer vs player
no QT vs QT
MAForums OK (dev & player)   vs  - MAForums not OK
(i.e. does open, but does not return data to the form from the MA Forum, 
when clicking on the Load button.)

Given that set of differences, and a problem with an app that retrieves 
stuff from the Internet, my first guess would be a corporate firewall 
issue.  I haven't looked at the app (couldn't see it on Sarah's site from 
the description - could you give me a URL please). But even if it "only" 
does HTTP "get"s, it's possible to get firewall problems.

If practical, I'd try to eliminate that as a potential problem first. If 
you can (i.e. it's a laptop, and you're allowed), take the home machine in 
to work and try it there. Or, install the 10-hour Dreamcard developer trial 
at work and see if it then works OK.

>Not sure why the Quicktime would make a difference - whether installed or
>not.

Almost certainly doesn't in this case - but there are quite a lot of stacks 
(mostly developed on Macs) that just assume it will be there (safe on a 
Mac, very wrong on Windows), so it's a common cause of problems that happen 
on some machines and not others.

-- Alex.

From cassj at earthlink.net  Wed Dec 15 08:22:22 2004
From: cassj at earthlink.net (James Cass)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 08:22:22 -0500
Subject: New Revolution Game
In-Reply-To: <20041215105859.11911.qmail@web53010.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20041215105859.11911.qmail@web53010.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5A933F64-4E9C-11D9-A505-000D93C26DB4@earthlink.net>

Jeremy-

Would you mind building a standalone for MacOSX and posting it on your 
site?

Thank you in advance,
James


On Dec 15, 2004, at 5:58 AM, James Russell wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> I've been busy in the trenches these past few months
> tinkering away at a dream of mine. I'm heading off to
> university next year for a Biomolecular degree, during
> the middle of this year I suddenly realized that I
> wouldn't have much free time once I began. So I
> thought to myself, what would I like to accomplish
> before then... To create one last game of course!
>
> Now, although this is still in alpha stages (meaning
> not all features are included/working) I decided to do
> a special release to the revolution community. To
> describe it best I would say its a cross between an
> RTS, an RPG and Sim game. I've designed the game
> around the limits of revolution, or that could rather
> be my limits :) Which makes the game feel quite unique
> (I hope you feel the same when playing it).
>
> This is a double-edged blade as they say. One, I hope
> to hear some feedback (like every author does)
> including (hopefully not though) if it doesn't work.
> Second, to get some more games flowing through the rev
> community damnit! :P
>
> http://www.taggedsoftware.com/revolution.html
>
> Enjoy,
> Jeremy
> jeremy at taggedsoftware.com
>
>
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From xbury.cs at clearstream.com  Wed Dec 15 08:53:02 2004
From: xbury.cs at clearstream.com (xbury.cs at clearstream.com)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 14:53:02 +0100
Subject: Sexuality and Runtime Revolution
Message-ID: <OF3D779977.FD3CB7AE-ONC1256F6B.004BC03A-C1256F6B.004C443B@deutsche-boerse.de>

Coincidence?

http://books.slashdot.org/books/04/12/14/2024220.shtml?tid=146&tid=6&tid=14

All I'll save RunRev is a sexy thing IMOHO

cheers
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From alex at tweedly.net  Wed Dec 15 09:20:26 2004
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 14:20:26 +0000
Subject: [ANN} libEXIF v0.9
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20041215141022.02a5ec60@pop3.btinternet.com>

EXIF Extraction library.

EXIF stands for Exchangeable Image File Format, the format used to store 
interchange information in photo files, particularly JPEGs though it is 
also used in TIFFs.  Most digital cameras now include EXIF information.

I've put the first (let's call it alpha :-) version of my EXIF extraction 
library up on RevOnline. (category Programming, or under my username 
alextweedly).

The stack is intended to be used as a library, but it  includes a "Test" 
button to try it out on your own photo files, and an "Info & help" button 
which will (some day) give real documentation. See the script under "Test" 
button for the essentials.

It can extract much of the EXIF information included in JPEG and TIFF 
files. I don't yet decode manufacturer specific "Makernote" info - I have 
the necessary information for a few manufacturers ready to code - but don't 
yet have it for Pentax *ist D (i.e. my own camera !!), so that's not top of 
the priority list.

I've tested it on a few hundred photos, from probably 20 different cameras 
- so I'm sure there are more crufty variations that it hasn't yet been 
tested against. I'd be grateful for any reports of misbehaviour or problems.

Now that I actually have something I think is worth sharing, I'll go start 
on my RunRev web page.

Thanks
-- Alex.

From fde101 at fjrhome.net  Wed Dec 15 09:19:23 2004
From: fde101 at fjrhome.net (Frank D. Engel, Jr.)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 09:19:23 -0500
Subject: parsing comments in scripts
In-Reply-To: <BDE5BE47.25F18%benr_mc@cogapp.com>
References: <BDE5BE47.25F18%benr_mc@cogapp.com>
Message-ID: <51B2AFAE-4EA4-11D9-869C-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>

Yeah, I considered that contiguous-comment thing too for a time, but 
there is another issue here:

Consider this code:

--Hi, I am a comment!
on mouseUp
   unhilite me
end mouseUp
on mouseDown
   hilite me
end mouseDown

Not a particularly useful script, but notice the lack of blank lines 
between the handlers?  Now run the comment-script thing on the first 
handler:

----Hi, I am a comment!
--on mouseUp
--  unhilite me
--end mouseUp
on mouseDown
   hilite me
end mouseDown

And now, with the first one commented out, on the second as well:

------Hi, I am a comment!
----on mouseUp
----  unhilite me
----end mouseUp
--on mouseDown
--  hilite me
--end mouseDown


Do we begin to see the problem here?  From this stage, how do you 
uncomment the *first* handler (mouseUp)?


As for 'range comments', yeah, that's okay until you try to comment out 
a handler which already contains a 'range comment':

on mouseUp
   /* read this please */
   hide me
end mouseUp


/* on mouseUp
   /* read this please */
   hide me
end mouseUp */


I suspect what would happen here is for Rev to interpret the comment as 
beginning at /* on mouseUp and ending with please */, then
complaining about 'hide me'... not being in a handler, 'end mouseUp' 
which would end a handler which never started, and the extra
*/, which would terminate a comment which never got started.

Any attempt to implement this functionality will result in a 'best 
guess' approach.

You can decrease the likelihood of a problem by using unlikely 
character sequences to delimit the start and end of the handler, then 
watching for those when uncommenting the handler:

on mouseUp
   hide me
end mouseUp

becomes:

--$START_COMMENTED_HANDLER!!!!
--on mouseUp
--  hide me
--end mouseUp
--$TERMINATE_COMMENTED_HANDLER!!!!

Now the reversal function has something definite to look for.

On Dec 15, 2004, at 5:11 AM, Ben Rubinstein wrote:

> Alex Tweedly wrote:
>> If you want the editor to have an "uncomment the entire handler" 
>> command,
>> then it's going to need to look into comments, to see whether or not
>> removing the leading comment indicator would leave a line which could 
>> then
>> be a start / finish of a handler. Doesn't seem too bad to me - but I 
>> know
>> there were concerns about the interpreter (now the editor) looking at
>> comments and guessing about their meaning.
>
> Two possible solutions here (I didn't say either were pretty):
>
> * 'Comment Handler' finds the start and end of the handler that the
> insertion point lies in; and extends this range of lines to 
> incorporate any
> contiguous comment lines.  It then adds "-- " to the start of every 
> line in
> this range.  Hence:
>
>     -- a comment about foo
>     --
>     on foo x
>        -- put x into it
>        get x
>     end foo
>
> becomes
>
>     -- -- a comment about this
>     -- --
>     -- on foo x
>     --    -- put x into it
>     --    get x
>     -- end foo
>
> 'Uncomment Handler' then takes the contiguous range of commented lines 
> round
> the insertion point, and removes the initial "-- " from each one - thus
> restoring previous comments as they were.
>
>
> * we've got range comments now, /* */.  So 'Comment Handler' could 
> work like
> this:
>
>     -- a comment about foo
>     --
>     /* on foo x
>        -- put x into it
>        get x
>     end foo */
>
> Then 'Uncomment Handler' searches up and down from the insertion point 
> for
> some pretty easily recognised patterns: "/* on <label>" or "/* function
> <label>" up, and "end <label> */" down.  If these don't match, or it 
> finds
> strange variants out of order, then it does the best it can or gives 
> up and
> leaves the user to figure it out.  (I don't know whether /* */ comments
> nest; if not then Comment Handler should disable internal occurences, 
> eg
> changing to "/--*" and "*--/", and Uncomment Handler reverse this.)
>
> Whatever, I do think the concept that 'junk' should be acceptable 
> outside a
> handler is a dangerous hangover, and should be abandoned.  I used to 
> take
> advantage of this in HyperCard too (I stored data in scripts, since 
> they
> were effectively the only properties available for all objects) but 
> switched
> with relief to using custom properties in MC/Rev.  Since there's now a 
> real
> issue (the fact that some statements from inside a 'commented' handler 
> can
> take effect outside the handler) and we have range comments anyway, the
> worst that we're asking people to do, even if no additional 
> conveniences are
> provided in the script editor, is find the bottom of their handler to 
> add
> the close comment there.
>
> How about we just request a simpler Script Editor enhancement - jump 
> to end
> of current handler?
>
>   Ben Rubinstein               |  Email: benr_mc at cogapp.com
>   Cognitive Applications Ltd   |  Phone: +44 (0)1273-821600
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>
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$ true | cat /usr/manual | grep "John 3:16"
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Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have 
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From gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com  Wed Dec 15 10:00:49 2004
From: gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 07:00:49 -0800
Subject: Making a Rev-built app hoist itself to the foreground
In-Reply-To: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A9469E17@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
References: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A9469E17@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
Message-ID: <1B4384C3-4EAA-11D9-AC30-000A95A872D6@inspiredlogic.com>

Thanks, but I need something that will bring the whole Revolution app 
to the foreground when other applications are in front of it. "go this 
stack" brings that window to the front of the Rev app, but doesn't 
change the layer of the app itself.

regards,

Geoff Canyon
gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com

On Dec 13, 2004, at 6:29 AM, Lynch, Jonathan wrote:

> I do this in an app I am creating - and the line:
>
>    Go this stack
>
> Seems to work for me.


From gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com  Wed Dec 15 10:01:54 2004
From: gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 07:01:54 -0800
Subject: Making a Rev-built app hoist itself to the foreground
In-Reply-To: <41BDEF83.9080002@chipp.com>
References: <6C72D9B4-4C72-11D9-AC30-000A95A872D6@inspiredlogic.com>
	<AEED5658-4C8A-11D9-BB76-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au>
	<D93177B2-4D18-11D9-AC30-000A95A872D6@inspiredlogic.com>
	<41BDEF83.9080002@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <423D2B18-4EAA-11D9-AC30-000A95A872D6@inspiredlogic.com>

I looked and didn't see a command for this -- just messages that get 
delivered when it happens.

regards,

Geoff Canyon
gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com

On Dec 13, 2004, at 11:37 AM, Chipp Walters wrote:

> Can you somehow minimize it then maximize it programatically? Just a 
> guess.


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Dec 15 10:07:03 2004
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 07:07:03 -0800
Subject: Making a Rev-built app hoist itself to the foreground
In-Reply-To: <1B4384C3-4EAA-11D9-AC30-000A95A872D6@inspiredlogic.com>
References: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A9469E17@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
	<1B4384C3-4EAA-11D9-AC30-000A95A872D6@inspiredlogic.com>
Message-ID: <41C05317.1000808@fourthworld.com>

Geoff Canyon wrote:
> Thanks, but I need something that will bring the whole Revolution app to 
> the foreground when other applications are in front of it. "go this 
> stack" brings that window to the front of the Rev app, but doesn't 
> change the layer of the app itself.

You can use the Activate AppleScript command on OS X; with Windows 
having interleaved windows from the beginning there is no concept of 
"bringing an application to the front", so you'd probably have to move 
each window forward by itself.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  __________________________________________________
  Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev

From revlist at cableone.net  Wed Dec 15 10:16:14 2004
From: revlist at cableone.net (Chris Sheffield)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 08:16:14 -0700
Subject: revCopyFolder problems in Rev 2.5
In-Reply-To: <p06200793bde5832b1b46@[66.93.39.98]>
Message-ID: <000c01c4e2b9$05c7e4f0$64fea8c0@chris1>

Yikes!  I didn't realize the behavior had changed.  Apparently the docs
missed that change. ;-)  At least I know now so I should be able to fix it
easily enough.  Thanks everyone who chimed in on this one. :-)

Chris Sheffield
Software Development
Read Naturally


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From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Jeanne A. E.
DeVoto
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 11:06 PM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: revCopyFolder problems in Rev 2.5

At 6:27 PM -0700 12/14/2004, Dar Scott wrote:
>On Dec 14, 2004, at 4:33 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:
>>To copy an app bundle, you need to use revCopyFile - even though it 
>>is really a folder :-)
>
>The doc entry for revCopyFile says the opposite.  Is the doc wrong?


I think this behavior changed a version or two ago, so yes, it likely 
is incorrect...
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From europe at ehug.info  Wed Dec 15 10:27:42 2004
From: europe at ehug.info (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 16:27:42 +0100
Subject: New Revolution Game
In-Reply-To: <5A933F64-4E9C-11D9-A505-000D93C26DB4@earthlink.net>
References: <20041215105859.11911.qmail@web53010.mail.yahoo.com>
	<5A933F64-4E9C-11D9-A505-000D93C26DB4@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <41C057EE.4040703@ehug.info>

And one for MacOS 9, please?

Mark

James Cass wrote:
> Jeremy-
> 
> Would you mind building a standalone for MacOSX and posting it on your site?
> 
> Thank you in advance,
> James

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From gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com  Wed Dec 15 10:41:15 2004
From: gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 07:41:15 -0800
Subject: Making a Rev-built app hoist itself to the foreground
In-Reply-To: <9ADBA0DF-4D40-11D9-901F-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>
References: <6C72D9B4-4C72-11D9-AC30-000A95A872D6@inspiredlogic.com>
	<AEED5658-4C8A-11D9-BB76-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au>
	<D93177B2-4D18-11D9-AC30-000A95A872D6@inspiredlogic.com>
	<41BDEF83.9080002@chipp.com>
	<9ADBA0DF-4D40-11D9-901F-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>
Message-ID: <C162A9B6-4EAF-11D9-AC30-000A95A872D6@inspiredlogic.com>

On Dec 13, 2004, at 11:53 AM, Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote:

> You might try something like this, making the obvious substitution for 
> the app title and fixing your trigger conditions, etc. (this works for 
> me in a button script, I click the button and switch apps, shortly 
> after which Rev automatically brings itself to the front):
>
> on mouseUp
>   wait for 20 sec
>   do "tell application " & quote & "Revolution" & quote & "to 
> activate" as appleScript
> end mouseUp

That works in a regular app, but oddly not in one called from the 
command line. They seem stuck in the background. I've tried using the 
script editor so there's no issue of improper applescript -- if the app 
is double-clicked, then you can make it come to the front with an 
applescript call. If it was called from the command line, seemingly 
nothing will make it come to the front.

There's also the issue what to do on the PC. I've seen Ken Ray's 
excellent suggestion on his tips page:

http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/revolution.htm

but I was hoping for a Rev-native solution. And his uses AppleScript on 
the mac, which seemingly doesn't work on a commadline app.

So: if anyone has any suggestions for a native solution on the PC, 
bring 'em on. On the Mac side, I'm going over the AppleScript list to 
see if they have an answer to the won't-come-forward issue.

regards,

Geoff Canyon
gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com


From gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com  Wed Dec 15 10:46:05 2004
From: gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 07:46:05 -0800
Subject: SystemWindow equivalent for just one Application?
Message-ID: <6E2B298D-4EB0-11D9-AC30-000A95A872D6@inspiredlogic.com>

Using the systemWindow property you can make a rev window float above 
all others. What if you only want to make it float above a certain 
application. The goal would be to make a Rev app that functions as an 
application-specific palette.

I think I remember you used to be able to do this with FaceSpan-built 
apps. You had to edit resources (on OS 9) to make it happen, and set 
some resource to the creator code of the app you wanted to float over.

In any case, is that even possible under Windows/OS X?

regards,

Geoff Canyon
gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com


From rcozens at pon.net  Wed Dec 15 10:50:38 2004
From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 07:50:38 -0800
Subject: ZIP on OS X
In-Reply-To: <B445AA13-4E93-11D9-B3AF-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>
References: <33D949B4-4E26-11D9-8D93-000A95C61E96@easynet.fr>
 <B445AA13-4E93-11D9-B3AF-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <a05210602bde60adc6f36@[66.52.165.9]>

>  i have a working solution with "ditto"

Hi Klaus,

If you or anybody else would like a native Transcript solution that 
compresses folders--including OSX app bundles--AND supports 
decompression of individual files, it's one quashed bug away from 
release.  Serendipity Library's compress/expand folder handlers 
appear to reconstruct all files in the folder(s) correctly; but OSX 
app bundles refuse to launch when double-clicked.  If someone can 
tell me what is preventing the decompressed app from launching I will 
fix it.  <http://wecode.org/serendipity>.

BTW, thanks to help from Howard Bornstein, I now have a drag-and-drop 
version working on OSX.
-- 

Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)

From martin at materiaprima.fsnet.co.uk  Wed Dec 15 11:02:16 2004
From: martin at materiaprima.fsnet.co.uk (Martin Baxter)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 17:02:16 +0100
Subject: Making a Rev-built app hoist itself to the foreground
In-Reply-To: <423D2B18-4EAA-11D9-AC30-000A95A872D6@inspiredlogic.com>
References: <41BDEF83.9080002@chipp.com>
 <6C72D9B4-4C72-11D9-AC30-000A95A872D6@inspiredlogic.com>
 <AEED5658-4C8A-11D9-BB76-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au>
 <D93177B2-4D18-11D9-AC30-000A95A872D6@inspiredlogic.com>
 <41BDEF83.9080002@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <l03130300bde610245074@[62.137.69.117]>

Geoff,

FWIW, you're right there isn't a command as such, you set the iconic
property to true or false to achieve this.

Martin Baxter

>I looked and didn't see a command for this -- just messages that get
>delivered when it happens.
>
>regards,
>
>Geoff Canyon
>gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com
>
>On Dec 13, 2004, at 11:37 AM, Chipp Walters wrote:
>
>> Can you somehow minimize it then maximize it programatically? Just a
>> guess.
>
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From harrison at all-auctions.com  Wed Dec 15 12:28:44 2004
From: harrison at all-auctions.com (Rick Harrison)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 12:28:44 -0500
Subject: URL download and Cache problems
In-Reply-To: <BDE5B968.25F14%benr_mc@cogapp.com>
References: <BDE5B968.25F14%benr_mc@cogapp.com>
Message-ID: <C502DADE-4EBE-11D9-AA05-000393C10758@all-auctions.com>

Hi there,

I'm getting some Revolution weirdness when trying to download
files from the internet.

I'm using:

put "" into field "CachedURLSListField1" of card 1
put "" into field "ClearedCacheList1" of card 1

put 1 into N2
repeat while N2 < 4
load URL field "JPEGURL" of card 1 with message "downloadComplete"
--(Which sends this message to the stack which I handle by updating a 
field with "Status - Download completed")

   export image "JpegImage" of card 2 to file field "ImageFileName1" of 
card 1 as JPEG -- Gets entire image
   put field "CachedURLSListField1" of card 1 & the cachedURLs into 
field "CachedURLSListField1" of card 1

--to list what files are in my cache
--then I supposedly delete the cache with

   unload URL field "JPEGURL" of card 1

--and to check if the file was deleted out of the cache

   put field "ClearedCacheList1" of card 1 & the cachedURLs into field 
"ClearedCacheList1" of card 1
add 1 to N2
end repeat

The problems I'm running into are the following:

1.  The program doesn't wait until the first download is complete 
before moving on to the second download.
2. The cache isn't getting cleared
3. It's like Revolution is executing just too fast.

If I simply put

answer "N2 = " & N2

-- before the end repeat everything downloads - but unfortunately, 
-- I have to be around to press the stupid button everytime to 
-- let the program move on, and I don't want to have to do that.

Any ideas as to what is going on, and as to what I need to do to fix 
things?

Thanks in advance.

Rick Harrison


From dsc at swcp.com  Wed Dec 15 12:31:13 2004
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 10:31:13 -0700
Subject: ZIP on OS X
In-Reply-To: <a05210602bde60adc6f36@[66.52.165.9]>
References: <33D949B4-4E26-11D9-8D93-000A95C61E96@easynet.fr>
	<B445AA13-4E93-11D9-B3AF-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>
	<a05210602bde60adc6f36@[66.52.165.9]>
Message-ID: <1E1A2E62-4EBF-11D9-BB4F-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>


On Dec 15, 2004, at 8:50 AM, Rob Cozens wrote:

> If you or anybody else would like a native Transcript solution that 
> compresses folders--including OSX app bundles--AND supports 
> decompression of individual files, it's one quashed bug away from 
> release.  Serendipity Library's compress/expand folder handlers appear 
> to reconstruct all files in the folder(s) correctly; but OSX app 
> bundles refuse to launch when double-clicked.  If someone can tell me 
> what is preventing the decompressed app from launching I will fix it.  
> <http://wecode.org/serendipity>.

Did you set the permissions on the executable?

Dar Scott

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From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Wed Dec 15 12:29:50 2004
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 17:29:50 +0000
Subject: [ANN} libEXIF v0.9
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20041215141022.02a5ec60@pop3.btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <BDE6250E.25F73%benr_mc@cogapp.com>

on 15/12/04 2:20 pm, Alex Tweedly wrote

> I've put the first (let's call it alpha :-) version of my EXIF extraction
> library up on RevOnline. (category Programming, or under my username
> alextweedly).

Alex,

This is excellent.

Do you have any plans to advance it in the direction of writing EXIF data?

Cheers,

 
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  Cognitive Applications Ltd   |  Phone: +44 (0)1273-821600
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From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Wed Dec 15 12:41:31 2004
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 17:41:31 +0000
Subject: parsing comments in scripts
In-Reply-To: <51B2AFAE-4EA4-11D9-869C-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>
Message-ID: <BDE627CB.25F7B%benr_mc@cogapp.com>

on 15/12/04 2:19 pm, Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote

> Not a particularly useful script, but notice the lack of blank lines
> between the handlers?

Fair point - I guess that's a coding style that I've never run across, but
it's certainly legal code.

> As for 'range comments', yeah, that's okay until you try to comment out
> a handler which already contains a 'range comment':

That's why I suggested
>> (I don't know whether /* */ comments nest; if not then Comment Handler should
>> disable internal occurences, eg changing to "/--*" and "*--/", and Uncomment
>> Handler reverse this.)

But fundamentally, my point is that having scripts compile with random junk
in them is very 20th century, and we should no longer accept it.  Everything
else is just suggestions for how we can alleviate the, in any case not that
great, loss of convenience for those who had got used to taking advantage of
this to support a lazy way of commenting out a handler (a way which is
already no longer safe, as has been observed).
 
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  Cognitive Applications Ltd   |  Phone: +44 (0)1273-821600
  http://www.cogapp.com        |  Fax  : +44 (0)1273-728866





From alex at tweedly.net  Wed Dec 15 12:58:28 2004
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 17:58:28 +0000
Subject: URL download and Cache problems
In-Reply-To: <C502DADE-4EBE-11D9-AA05-000393C10758@all-auctions.com>
References: <BDE5B968.25F14%benr_mc@cogapp.com>
 <BDE5B968.25F14%benr_mc@cogapp.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20041215174234.02d3bf18@mail.tweedly.net>

At 12:28 15/12/2004 -0500, Rick Harrison wrote:

>Hi there,
>
>I'm getting some Revolution weirdness when trying to download
>files from the internet.

I don't think there's a real problem there, but I'm not sure, because it's 
hard to follow the description / script to be sure I'm correctly 
interpreting what you want.

The basic issue is that the "load" command is non-blocking. So when you do 
the first "load URL" it does not (and should not) wait. It will accept any 
number of load commands, and queues them up (it probably fetches multiple 
of them in parallel, with some limit on how many it has under way at a time).

>I'm using:
>
>put "" into field "CachedURLSListField1" of card 1
>put "" into field "ClearedCacheList1" of card 1
>
>put 1 into N2
>repeat while N2 < 4
>load URL field "JPEGURL" of card 1 with message "downloadComplete"
>--(Which sends this message to the stack which I handle by updating a 
>field with "Status - Download completed")
>
>   export image "JpegImage" of card 2 to file field "ImageFileName1" of 
> card 1 as JPEG -- Gets entire image
>   put field "CachedURLSListField1" of card 1 & the cachedURLs into field 
> "CachedURLSListField1" of card 1
>
>--to list what files are in my cache
>--then I supposedly delete the cache with
>
>   unload URL field "JPEGURL" of card 1
>
>--and to check if the file was deleted out of the cache
>
>   put field "ClearedCacheList1" of card 1 & the cachedURLs into field 
> "ClearedCacheList1" of card 1
>add 1 to N2
>end repeat
>
>The problems I'm running into are the following:
>
>1.  The program doesn't wait until the first download is complete before 
>moving on to the second download.

That's good :-)

>2. The cache isn't getting cleared

Perhaps because you're clearing it (with unload) before that URL has 
finished being loaded; perhaps because there are multiple in-progress 
fetches, and you can never clear one without the next one appearing.

>3. It's like Revolution is executing just too fast.

The purpose of the load command is to act fast, and to allow your stack to 
continue with other work while the URLs are being pre-fetched. If you go 
ahead and use the URL before it has completely loaded, you'll still get the 
benefit.

>If I simply put
>
>answer "N2 = " & N2
>
>-- before the end repeat everything downloads - but unfortunately, -- I 
>have to be around to press the stupid button everytime to -- let the 
>program move on, and I don't want to have to do that.
>
>Any ideas as to what is going on, and as to what I need to do to fix things?

It's not clear just what you want to do, overall. It looks to me as though 
the loop is loading the same URL each time round - or am I missing something ?

You might want to do something like

local lNumberDone

on gettheURLs
   put 0 into lNumberDone
   repeat while N2 < 4
      load ......
   end repeat
   send checkifdone in 50 millisecs
end gettheURLS

on checkIfDone
   if lNumberDone = 4 then
      ....finished ...
   else
      send checkIfDone in 50 millisecs
   end if
end checkIfDone

on downloadComplete pURL, pURLStatus
   if pURLStatus = "Download Complete" then
       put URL pURL into (wherever you want it)
   else
       put "problem with " && pURL && ":" && pURLStatus & CR after field 
"myStatusfield"
   end if
    add 1 to lNumberDone
end downloadComplete

In summary - load is non-blocking.
If this hasn't helped - send more of the script, or a fuller description of 
what you want.

-- Alex.

From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Wed Dec 15 12:57:01 2004
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 17:57:01 +0000
Subject: SystemWindow equivalent for just one Application?
In-Reply-To: <6E2B298D-4EB0-11D9-AC30-000A95A872D6@inspiredlogic.com>
Message-ID: <BDE62B6D.25F7F%benr_mc@cogapp.com>

on 15/12/04 3:46 pm, Geoff Canyon wrote

> Using the systemWindow property you can make a rev window float above
> all others. What if you only want to make it float above a certain
> application. The goal would be to make a Rev app that functions as an
> application-specific palette.

I'm sure you've already thought of this, but... on OS X, could you just use
a timer to check whether your target app is active, and hide or show
accordingly?  The problem is it might be quite expensive, even though you
probably don't need to check more than every few seconds.  On Windows, I
don't think there's such a thing as the active app, only the frontmost
window - but I think the same principle applies, it just might be harder to
establish which windows belong to your target app.

My 0.02,
 
  Ben Rubinstein               |  Email: benr_mc at cogapp.com
  Cognitive Applications Ltd   |  Phone: +44 (0)1273-821600
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From irog at mac.com  Wed Dec 15 13:03:41 2004
From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 10:03:41 -0800
Subject: No mouseUp 
In-Reply-To: <20041215023949.F0CE993018D@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20041215023949.F0CE993018D@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <A7446598-4EC3-11D9-A088-000D933610BE@mac.com>

Thanks to all who came to my rescue.  So far I have confirmed that the 
"send mouse up to me in .2 seconds" works in the mouseDown handler, and 
the "set acceptDrop to true" right after setting the dragData in the 
dragDrop handler also works well.

I really appreciate this list!!

Thanks, Roger


On Dec 14, 2004, at 6:39 PM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com 
wrote:

> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:31:41 -0600
> From: Douglas Westbrook <wdesigns at austin.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: No mouseUp
> To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Message-ID: <ED042126-4E1F-11D9-B1B8-000A95B26B74 at austin.rr.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
>
> You might try
> On mousedown
> set dragdatata to whatever
>      send mouse up to me in .2 seconds
> end mousedown
>
> On Dec 14, 2004, at 4:19 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:
>
>>>>> I have the following script in a List field and the mouseUp handler
>>>>> doesn't work!  I noticed that it is the "set the dragData" line in
>>>>> the
>>>>> mouseDown that disables the mouseUp.  Can someone please tell me
>>>>> what's going on and how I can keep the mouseUp?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> on mouseDown
>>>>>   get the hilitedLines of me
>>>>>   set the dragData to line it of me
>>>>> end mouseDown
>>>>>
>>>>> on mouseUp
>>>>>   beep 2
>>>>> end mouseUp
>>>>>
>>>> Hi Roger,


From harrison at all-auctions.com  Wed Dec 15 13:05:55 2004
From: harrison at all-auctions.com (Rick Harrison)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 13:05:55 -0500
Subject: URL download and Cache problems
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20041215174234.02d3bf18@mail.tweedly.net>
References: <BDE5B968.25F14%benr_mc@cogapp.com>
	<BDE5B968.25F14%benr_mc@cogapp.com>
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Message-ID: <F701E1CB-4EC3-11D9-B818-000393C10758@all-auctions.com>


On Dec 15, 2004, at 12:58 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote:

> At 12:28 15/12/2004 -0500, Rick Harrison wrote:
>
>> Hi there,
>>
>> I'm getting some Revolution weirdness when trying to download
>> files from the internet.
>
>

Alex,

I have some code that changes the URL correctly every time, so that is 
not the issue.

I didn't want to list it because it takes up a lot of pages and is 
unnecessary for our
discussion purposes.

So the URL load doesn't wait to finish downloading the first file 
before downloading the second.
Great..., that's  just terrible for my purposes.

What I really want is for one download to complete before it starts 
doing another.

Is there anyway to do this?

I haven't yet had time to digest your code yet.

I'll get back to you a little later.

Thanks for the quick response!

Rick Harrison




From alex at tweedly.net  Wed Dec 15 13:15:37 2004
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 18:15:37 +0000
Subject: [ANN} libEXIF v0.9
In-Reply-To: <BDE6250E.25F73%benr_mc@cogapp.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20041215141022.02a5ec60@pop3.btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20041215175953.00b02890@mail.tweedly.net>

At 17:29 15/12/2004 +0000, Ben Rubinstein wrote:
>Alex,
>
>This is excellent.
>
>Do you have any plans to advance it in the direction of writing EXIF data?

Plans ?   No.
Ideas ?  Yes

Overall plan is
  - add some Makernote extraction
  - fix bugs
  - write the app that got me started on this path
  - fix bugs
  - think about modifying and/or writing Exif data.

I do intend to experiment a bit with writing the Exif data for a couple of 
specific purposes.

1. My favourite photo editor loses all Exif data  (it's an old version of 
PicturePublisher). Newer version retain the Exif data, but they come in two 
versions - professional which is out of my price range, and consumer  which 
lacks the feature that makes it my favourite :-)
So I'm thinking of simply copying all Exif data from one file into another 
one which doesn't already have any - might be simple though I need to 
figure out how much of the data becomes incorrect.
But at the same time, I'm using both GIMP and PS Elements, and getting used 
to them - so this need might disappear before I get to it.

2. My camera (Pentax *ist D) produces a 56K byte Makernote data section. 
Not an issue in my 2-3 Mbyte photos, but when I crop and compress it to put 
on the web, I can easily finish up with files that are 100K in size - with 
over 50% being "wasted".

3. Camera thumbnails. Many cameras embed a thumbnail in the JPEG they 
produce (they use it for the thumbnail view on -camera). It's typically 
never used again after the photo is uploaded, but can hang around 
indefinitely (more "wasted" space).

It would be generally easy to modify existing data (just overwrite the 
existing field), but trickier to add (or delete) data. Do you have any 
particular purpose in mind ?  Any specific ideas for what you'd like to write ?

-- Alex.

From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Wed Dec 15 13:12:31 2004
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 18:12:31 +0000
Subject: ZIP on OS X
In-Reply-To: <a05210602bde60adc6f36@[66.52.165.9]>
Message-ID: <BDE62F0F.25F87%benr_mc@cogapp.com>

on 15/12/04 3:50 pm, Rob Cozens wrote

> If you or anybody else would like a native Transcript solution that
> compresses folders--including OSX app bundles--AND supports
> decompression of individual files, it's one quashed bug away from
> release.  Serendipity Library's compress/expand folder handlers
> appear to reconstruct all files in the folder(s) correctly; but OSX
> app bundles refuse to launch when double-clicked.  If someone can
> tell me what is preventing the decompressed app from launching I will
> fix it.  <http://wecode.org/serendipity>.

I was working a while ago on an app which stored the user's documents in a
custom format.  When I transitioned to XML, the size exploded.  So I looked
into storing it compressed.  The format returned by Transcript's "compress"
is only a whisker away from a zip file; but when I tried to do this,
including the optional 'comment' field, it produced a file which Stuffit
Expander on Windows decompressed happily; but Stuffit Deluxe 8.0.2 on MacOS
X claimed was corrupt.

So - could this be related to the problem you're having?  (If not: do you
support the comment field?  Because one day I'd like to actually fix this!)
 
  Ben Rubinstein               |  Email: benr_mc at cogapp.com
  Cognitive Applications Ltd   |  Phone: +44 (0)1273-821600
  http://www.cogapp.com        |  Fax  : +44 (0)1273-728866



From alex at tweedly.net  Wed Dec 15 13:18:37 2004
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 18:18:37 +0000
Subject: URL download and Cache problems
In-Reply-To: <F701E1CB-4EC3-11D9-B818-000393C10758@all-auctions.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20041215174234.02d3bf18@mail.tweedly.net>
 <BDE5B968.25F14%benr_mc@cogapp.com>
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Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20041215181643.02dee120@mail.tweedly.net>

At 13:05 15/12/2004 -0500, Rick Harrison wrote:

>Alex,
>
>I have some code that changes the URL correctly every time, so that is not 
>the issue.
>
>I didn't want to list it because it takes up a lot of pages and is 
>unnecessary for our
>discussion purposes.

OK - understand.

>So the URL load doesn't wait to finish downloading the first file before 
>downloading the second.
>Great..., that's  just terrible for my purposes.
>
>What I really want is for one download to complete before it starts doing 
>another.
>Is there anyway to do this?

Yes - simply use
   put URL "http://www......." into myVar
(or into a field, or wherever)

-- Alex.

From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Wed Dec 15 13:24:20 2004
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 18:24:20 +0000
Subject: [ANN} libEXIF v0.9
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20041215175953.00b02890@mail.tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <BDE631D4.25F91%benr_mc@cogapp.com>

on 15/12/04 6:15 pm, Alex Tweedly wrote
> It would be generally easy to modify existing data (just overwrite the
> existing field), but trickier to add (or delete) data.

Is that (with data taking the same number of bytes), or do you mean one
could have something taking tags out of a source file, and storing them in a
destination file, and changing the data for some of them along the way.  (I
don't know enough about the JPEG format to know if that description even
makes sense - I just know that there's tags in them there jpeg files!)

> Do you have any particular purpose in mind ?  Any specific ideas for what
> you'd like to write ?

Not really, but a lot of my clients have large image bases, and rarely
sufficiently good ways to handle them.  Having a useful way to insert
sensible meta data - which would typically be not about the image, so much
as the subject of the image - could be really useful.  It's something that
in the past I've shied away from suggesting, for fear that I'd find myself
committed to an unfunded research project to make it work!  So I'd be very
interested in this.
 
  Ben Rubinstein               |  Email: benr_mc at cogapp.com
  Cognitive Applications Ltd   |  Phone: +44 (0)1273-821600
  http://www.cogapp.com        |  Fax  : +44 (0)1273-728866



From harrison at all-auctions.com  Wed Dec 15 13:41:20 2004
From: harrison at all-auctions.com (Rick Harrison)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 13:41:20 -0500
Subject: URL download and Cache problems
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20041215181643.02dee120@mail.tweedly.net>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20041215174234.02d3bf18@mail.tweedly.net>
	<BDE5B968.25F14%benr_mc@cogapp.com> <BDE5B968.25F14%benr_mc@cogapp.com>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20041215174234.02d3bf18@mail.tweedly.net>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20041215181643.02dee120@mail.tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <E9794250-4EC8-11D9-B818-000393C10758@all-auctions.com>


On Dec 15, 2004, at 1:18 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote:

>
> Yes - simply use
>   put URL "http://www......." into myVar
> (or into a field, or wherever)
>
>

Alex,

Ok, but how does the program know when it is done downloading
if I use:


>   put URL "http://www......." into myVar

Rick


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Wed Dec 15 13:41:39 2004
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 10:41:39 -0800
Subject: parsing comments in scripts
In-Reply-To: <51B2AFAE-4EA4-11D9-869C-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>
References: <BDE5BE47.25F18%benr_mc@cogapp.com>
 <51B2AFAE-4EA4-11D9-869C-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>
Message-ID: <58904480.20041215104139@ahsoftware.net>

Frank-

Wednesday, December 15, 2004, 6:19:23 AM, you wrote:

FDEJ> Any attempt to implement this functionality will result in a 'best
FDEJ> guess' approach.

Not necessarily. Most C compilers will have an option to allow nested
comments. A simple IsInComment counter would allow this: start
incrementing a counter at the first "/*", decrement the counter at
each "*/" and don't exit the comment processing until the count
reaches zero.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net


From psahores at easynet.fr  Wed Dec 15 13:57:35 2004
From: psahores at easynet.fr (Pierre Sahores)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 19:57:35 +0100
Subject: [ANN} libEXIF v0.9
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20041215141022.02a5ec60@pop3.btinternet.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20041215141022.02a5ec60@pop3.btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <2EB95ED5-4ECB-11D9-BA8E-000A95C61E96@easynet.fr>

Thanks a lot Alex for this ! I forward directly your announcement to Pr 
Fran?ois Jouen witch could be interested in testing it.

Kind Regards, Pierre

Le 15 d?c. 04, ? 15:20, Alex Tweedly a ?crit :

> EXIF Extraction library.
>
> EXIF stands for Exchangeable Image File Format, the format used to 
> store interchange information in photo files, particularly JPEGs 
> though it is also used in TIFFs.  Most digital cameras now include 
> EXIF information.
>
> I've put the first (let's call it alpha :-) version of my EXIF 
> extraction library up on RevOnline. (category Programming, or under my 
> username alextweedly).
>
> The stack is intended to be used as a library, but it  includes a 
> "Test" button to try it out on your own photo files, and an "Info & 
> help" button which will (some day) give real documentation. See the 
> script under "Test" button for the essentials.
>
> It can extract much of the EXIF information included in JPEG and TIFF 
> files. I don't yet decode manufacturer specific "Makernote" info - I 
> have the necessary information for a few manufacturers ready to code - 
> but don't yet have it for Pentax *ist D (i.e. my own camera !!), so 
> that's not top of the priority list.
>
> I've tested it on a few hundred photos, from probably 20 different 
> cameras - so I'm sure there are more crufty variations that it hasn't 
> yet been tested against. I'd be grateful for any reports of 
> misbehaviour or problems.
>
> Now that I actually have something I think is worth sharing, I'll go 
> start on my RunRev web page.
>
> Thanks
> -- Alex.
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From alex at tweedly.net  Wed Dec 15 14:03:45 2004
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 19:03:45 +0000
Subject: URL download and Cache problems
In-Reply-To: <E9794250-4EC8-11D9-B818-000393C10758@all-auctions.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20041215181643.02dee120@mail.tweedly.net>
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At 13:41 15/12/2004 -0500, Rick Harrison wrote:

>On Dec 15, 2004, at 1:18 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote:
>
>>
>>Yes - simply use
>>   put URL "http://www......." into myVar
>>(or into a field, or wherever)
>
>Alex,
>
>Ok, but how does the program know when it is done downloading
>if I use:
>
>
>>   put URL "http://www......." into myVar

This one does wait until it's done (or has failed)

The docs say:
>All actions that refer to a URL container are blocking: that is, the 
>handler pauses until Revolution is finished accessing the URL. Since 
>fetching a web page may take some time due to network lag, accessing URLs 
>may take long enough to be noticeable to the user. To avoid this delay, 
>use the load command (which is non-blocking) to cache web pages before you 
>need them.

-- Alex.

From fde101 at fjrhome.net  Wed Dec 15 14:17:47 2004
From: fde101 at fjrhome.net (Frank D. Engel, Jr.)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 14:17:47 -0500
Subject: New Revolution Game
In-Reply-To: <41C057EE.4040703@ehug.info>
References: <20041215105859.11911.qmail@web53010.mail.yahoo.com>
	<5A933F64-4E9C-11D9-A505-000D93C26DB4@earthlink.net>
	<41C057EE.4040703@ehug.info>
Message-ID: <01468F5B-4ECE-11D9-869C-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>

An OS X version would be quite nice, yes...

OS 9 wouldn't hurt either, but if you are cross-developing from Windows 
you won't be able to build for OS 9.  Should still be able to build an 
OS X version, though...

If you need help packaging an OS X installer, let me know off list.


On Dec 15, 2004, at 10:27 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote:

> And one for MacOS 9, please?
>
> Mark
>
> James Cass wrote:
>> Jeremy-
>> Would you mind building a standalone for MacOSX and posting it on 
>> your site?
>> Thank you in advance,
>> James
>
> -- 
>
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$ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
$ true | cat /usr/manual | grep "John 3:16"
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten 
Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have 
everlasting life.
$



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From psahores at easynet.fr  Wed Dec 15 14:33:06 2004
From: psahores at easynet.fr (Pierre Sahores)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 20:33:06 +0100
Subject: ZIP on OS X
In-Reply-To: <B445AA13-4E93-11D9-B3AF-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>
References: <33D949B4-4E26-11D9-8D93-000A95C61E96@easynet.fr>
	<B445AA13-4E93-11D9-B3AF-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <24F513FC-4ED0-11D9-BA8E-000A95C61E96@easynet.fr>

Gruss Gott,

I did'nt test the options extensivelly so i can't help more about this. 
When the the gzip/gunzip solution is eligible to my needs, it's always 
my prefered.

Ich begr?sse sie, Freund Klaus :)

Le 15 d?c. 04, ? 13:20, Klaus Major a ?crit :

> Bon jour Pierre,
>
>> Hello again Klaus,
>>
>> Le 14 d?c. 04, ? 23:27, Klaus Major a ?crit :
>>> Bon soir Pierre,
>>>> Hello Klaus,
>>>>
>>>> on mouseup
>>>>   put shell ("zip /Users/sahores/Desktop/dess-capture.qtbr.zip 
>>>> /Users/sahores/Desktop/dess-capture.qtbr") into aaa
>>>>   answer aaa
>>>>    put shell ("unzip -j /Users/sahores/Desktop/dess-capture.qtbr -d 
>>>> /Users/sahores/Desktop/") into aaa
>>>>   answer aaa
>>>> end mouseup
>>>>
>>>> To get help about zip/unzip options, type in a shell window "zip 
>>>> -h"/"unzip -h"
>>>
>>> Ah, tr?s bien! Merci beaucoup, monsieur!
>>>
>>> I was a bit disappointed since i knew that the command "zip" WAS 
>>> available, but "man zip"
>>> only gave "no manual entry for zip".
>>>
>>> But it looks like you cannot "zip" folders/apps this way :-(
>>
>> Yes you can, wirklich, but you will need to feet the right options in 
>> "zip -h" / "unzip -h"
>>
>> Last login: Tue Dec 14 23:24:45 on ttyp2
>> Welcome to Darwin!
>> [G412:~] sahores% zip -h
>> Copyright (C) 1990-1996 Mark Adler, Richard B. Wales, Jean-loup Gailly
>> Onno van der Linden and Kai Uwe Rommel. Type 'zip -L' for the 
>> software License.
>> Zip 2.1 (April 27th 1996). Usage:
>> zip [-options] [-b path] [-t mmddyy] [-n suffixes] [zipfile list] 
>> [-xi list]
>>   The default action is to add or replace zipfile entries from list, 
>> which
>>   can include the special name - to compress standard input.
>>   If zipfile and list are omitted, zip compresses stdin to stdout.
>>   -f   freshen: only changed files  -u   update: only changed or new 
>> files
>>   -d   delete entries in zipfile    -m   move into zipfile (delete 
>> files)
>>   -k   force MSDOS (8+3) file names -g   allow growing existing 
>> zipfile
>>   -r   recurse into directories     -j   junk (don't record) 
>> directory names
>>   -0   store only                   -l   convert LF to CR LF (-ll CR 
>> LF to LF)
>>   -1   compress faster              -9   compress better
>>   -q   quiet operation              -v   verbose operation/print 
>> version info
>>   -c   add one-line comments        -z   add zipfile comment
>>   -b   use "path" for temp file     -t   only do files after "mmddyy"
>>   -@   read names from stdin        -o   make zipfile as old as 
>> latest entry
>>   -x   exclude the following names  -i   include only the following 
>> names
>>   -F   fix zipfile (-FF try harder) -D   do not add directory entries
>>   -A   adjust self-extracting exe   -J   junk zip file prefix 
>> (unzipsfx)
>>   -T   test zipfile integrity       -X   eXclude eXtra file attributes
>>   -y   store symbolic links as the link instead of the referenced file
>>   -h   show this help               -n   don't compress these suffixes
>> [G412:~] sahores%
>>
>> Gott zieh dankt, we can ;)
>
> Ehm, what language did you say is this? ;-)
>
> I tried several options as mentioned here, but i always get:
>
> ...
> zip warning: missing end signature--probably not a zip file (did you
> zip warning: remember to use binary mode when you transferred it?)
> ...
>
> which leads me to the assumption (i have to confess that the 
> terminal's help/explanations
> are a bit difficult to understand to me...) that "zip" can only be 
> used to ADD something to
> an EXISTING zip-file?
>
> Anyway, i have a working solution with "ditto", but thanks a lot you 
> for your help...
>
>> Best, Pierre
>
> Regards
>
> Klaus Major
> klaus at major-k.de
> http://www.major-k.de
>
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From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net  Wed Dec 15 14:43:08 2004
From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 14:43:08 -0500
Subject: New Revolution Game
In-Reply-To: <01468F5B-4ECE-11D9-869C-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>
References: <20041215105859.11911.qmail@web53010.mail.yahoo.com>
	<5A933F64-4E9C-11D9-A505-000D93C26DB4@earthlink.net>
	<41C057EE.4040703@ehug.info>
	<01468F5B-4ECE-11D9-869C-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>
Message-ID: <8BFC42A6-4ED1-11D9-8789-000A95DA60FA@adelphia.net>

When I lost in the arena while my guys were working out they did not 
die. They were still working out but could not do anything else. They 
were like ghosts.

Good start,

Tom

On Dec 15, 2004, at 2:17 PM, Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote:

> An OS X version would be quite nice, yes...
>
> OS 9 wouldn't hurt either, but if you are cross-developing from 
> Windows you won't be able to build for OS 9.  Should still be able to 
> build an OS X version, though...
>
> If you need help packaging an OS X installer, let me know off list.
>
>
> On Dec 15, 2004, at 10:27 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote:
>
>> And one for MacOS 9, please?
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> James Cass wrote:
>>> Jeremy-
>>> Would you mind building a standalone for MacOSX and posting it on 
>>> your site?
>>> Thank you in advance,
>>> James
>>
>> -- 
>>
>> eHUG coordinator
>> mailto:europe at ehug.info
>> fax: +1 501 633 94 04
>> http://home.wanadoo.nl/mark.sch
>> http://www.ehug.info
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>>
>>
> -----------------------------------------------------------
> Frank D. Engel, Jr.  <fde101 at fjrhome.net>
>
> $ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
> $ true | cat /usr/manual | grep "John 3:16"
> John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten 
> Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have 
> everlasting life.
> $
>
>
>
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From klaus at major-k.de  Wed Dec 15 14:57:47 2004
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 20:57:47 +0100
Subject: ZIP on OS X
In-Reply-To: <24F513FC-4ED0-11D9-BA8E-000A95C61E96@easynet.fr>
References: <33D949B4-4E26-11D9-8D93-000A95C61E96@easynet.fr>
	<B445AA13-4E93-11D9-B3AF-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>
	<24F513FC-4ED0-11D9-BA8E-000A95C61E96@easynet.fr>
Message-ID: <97BF045C-4ED3-11D9-B3AF-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>

Bon soir Pierre,

> Gruss Gott,
>
> I did'nt test the options extensivelly so i can't help more about this.
> When the the gzip/gunzip solution is eligible to my needs, it's always 
> my prefered.

That's true for single files and it is a REV native solution :-)

> Ich begr?sse sie, Freund Klaus :)

Hey, that's much better!
You have been practising last night, didn't you?! :-D


Au revoir, mon ami

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de


From harrison at all-auctions.com  Wed Dec 15 15:50:39 2004
From: harrison at all-auctions.com (Rick Harrison)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 15:50:39 -0500
Subject: URL download and Cache problems
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20041215185722.02ded3f0@mail.tweedly.net>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20041215181643.02dee120@mail.tweedly.net>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20041215174234.02d3bf18@mail.tweedly.net>
	<BDE5B968.25F14%benr_mc@cogapp.com> <BDE5B968.25F14%benr_mc@cogapp.com>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20041215174234.02d3bf18@mail.tweedly.net>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20041215181643.02dee120@mail.tweedly.net>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20041215185722.02ded3f0@mail.tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <FA567874-4EDA-11D9-B818-000393C10758@all-auctions.com>


On Dec 15, 2004, at 2:03 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote:

>>>  put URL "http://www......." into myVar

Alex,

That solved my problem.

Thanks!

Rick


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Dec 15 15:59:11 2004
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 12:59:11 -0800
Subject: URL download and Cache problems
In-Reply-To: <FA567874-4EDA-11D9-B818-000393C10758@all-auctions.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20041215181643.02dee120@mail.tweedly.net>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20041215174234.02d3bf18@mail.tweedly.net>
	<BDE5B968.25F14%benr_mc@cogapp.com> <BDE5B968.25F14%benr_mc@cogapp.com>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20041215174234.02d3bf18@mail.tweedly.net>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20041215181643.02dee120@mail.tweedly.net>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20041215185722.02ded3f0@mail.tweedly.net>
	<FA567874-4EDA-11D9-B818-000393C10758@all-auctions.com>
Message-ID: <41C0A59F.6020506@fourthworld.com>

This conversation raises a question -

There are currently two ways to download files, the "load" command and 
"get URL".

It used to be the case that "load" was a better option for longer 
downloads and/or if you need to update a progress bar, since it was the 
only one of the two that was non-blocking and you could querty the 
urlStatus for those downloads.

But now that we have the libUrlStatusCallback option, which provides 
periodic messages for "get URL", is there any benefit to using "load"?

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  __________________________________________________
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From fde101 at fjrhome.net  Wed Dec 15 15:45:21 2004
From: fde101 at fjrhome.net (Frank D. Engel, Jr.)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 15:45:21 -0500
Subject: New Revolution Game
In-Reply-To: <8BFC42A6-4ED1-11D9-8789-000A95DA60FA@adelphia.net>
References: <20041215105859.11911.qmail@web53010.mail.yahoo.com>
	<5A933F64-4E9C-11D9-A505-000D93C26DB4@earthlink.net>
	<41C057EE.4040703@ehug.info>
	<01468F5B-4ECE-11D9-869C-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>
	<8BFC42A6-4ED1-11D9-8789-000A95DA60FA@adelphia.net>
Message-ID: <3D087C0C-4EDA-11D9-869C-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>

Yep, I'm seeing this too.

On Dec 15, 2004, at 2:43 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:

> When I lost in the arena while my guys were working out they did not 
> die. They were still working out but could not do anything else. They 
> were like ghosts.
>
> Good start,
>
> Tom
>
> On Dec 15, 2004, at 2:17 PM, Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote:
>
>> An OS X version would be quite nice, yes...
>>
>> OS 9 wouldn't hurt either, but if you are cross-developing from 
>> Windows you won't be able to build for OS 9.  Should still be able to 
>> build an OS X version, though...
>>
>> If you need help packaging an OS X installer, let me know off list.
>>
>>
>> On Dec 15, 2004, at 10:27 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote:
>>
>>> And one for MacOS 9, please?
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>> James Cass wrote:
>>>> Jeremy-
>>>> Would you mind building a standalone for MacOSX and posting it on 
>>>> your site?
>>>> Thank you in advance,
>>>> James
>>>
>>> -- 
>>>
>>> eHUG coordinator
>>> mailto:europe at ehug.info
>>> fax: +1 501 633 94 04
>>> http://home.wanadoo.nl/mark.sch
>>> http://www.ehug.info
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-revolution mailing list
>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>>>
>>>
>> -----------------------------------------------------------
>> Frank D. Engel, Jr.  <fde101 at fjrhome.net>
>>
>> $ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
>> $ true | cat /usr/manual | grep "John 3:16"
>> John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten 
>> Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have 
>> everlasting life.
>> $
>>
>>
>>
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>
> Thomas J. McGrath III
> SCS
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> Pittsburgh, PA 15234
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>
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>
-----------------------------------------------------------
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$ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
$ true | cat /usr/manual | grep "John 3:16"
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten 
Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have 
everlasting life.
$



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From erikhans08 at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 15 16:11:16 2004
From: erikhans08 at yahoo.com (Erik Hansen)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 13:11:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Word keyword
In-Reply-To: <0726A27E-4E0F-11D9-8A04-000D9350C9C2@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <20041215211116.79124.qmail@web61207.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Gregory Lypny <gregory.lypny at videotron.ca>
wrote:

> Thanks Dar, Jacqueline, and Richard for your
> suggestions.  I was able 
> to fix it in the meantime by getting the
> rftText and replacing the hard 
> spaces with regular spaces.

"what is a "hard space"?

thanks,

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From mfstuart at cox.net  Wed Dec 15 16:11:45 2004
From: mfstuart at cox.net (mfstuart at cox.net)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 16:11:45 -0500
Subject: Card within a card (or subforms)
Message-ID: <20041215211147.VXSV23615.fed1rmmtao04.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net>

Hi,

I was wondering if a card can be a subcard?
In otherwords, I'd like to build an interface that has a "wrapper" card that then loads or calls another card to appear "inside" the called from card - the "wrapper" card.

Typically, in the Windows development environment this is called forms and subforms, where the subform is a child of the parent form. When the parent form is dragged around, the subform "goes" with it - the subform is inhereted by the parent form.

Another example of this, would be the browser forms with frames, whether vertical or horizontal.

If this can be done, can someone point me in the right direction to do this?

TIA,

Mark Stuart


From fde101 at fjrhome.net  Wed Dec 15 16:14:36 2004
From: fde101 at fjrhome.net (Frank D. Engel, Jr.)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 16:14:36 -0500
Subject: Word keyword
In-Reply-To: <20041215211116.79124.qmail@web61207.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20041215211116.79124.qmail@web61207.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <53004A6D-4EDE-11D9-869C-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>

I believe that he is referring to a "non-breaking" space, which is a 
space which does not break a line.  So if that space falls at the end 
of a line, it will not break there, but it will keep looking back for a 
"regular" space.


On Dec 15, 2004, at 4:11 PM, Erik Hansen wrote:

>
> --- Gregory Lypny <gregory.lypny at videotron.ca>
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Dar, Jacqueline, and Richard for your
>> suggestions.  I was able
>> to fix it in the meantime by getting the
>> rftText and replacing the hard
>> spaces with regular spaces.
>
> "what is a "hard space"?
>
> thanks,
>
> Erik Hansen
>
>
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>
>
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$ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
$ true | cat /usr/manual | grep "John 3:16"
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten 
Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have 
everlasting life.
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From BNZ2 at CDC.GOV  Wed Dec 15 16:13:11 2004
From: BNZ2 at CDC.GOV (Lynch, Jonathan)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 16:13:11 -0500
Subject: Word keyword
Message-ID: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A9469E26@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>

Ya know...
Haven't you ever heard Captain Kirk say...

"Dammit Bones, I'm stuck between a Spock and a hard space!"


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Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 4:11 PM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: Word keyword


--- Gregory Lypny <gregory.lypny at videotron.ca>
wrote:

> Thanks Dar, Jacqueline, and Richard for your
> suggestions.  I was able 
> to fix it in the meantime by getting the
> rftText and replacing the hard 
> spaces with regular spaces.

"what is a "hard space"?

thanks,

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From fde101 at fjrhome.net  Wed Dec 15 16:16:19 2004
From: fde101 at fjrhome.net (Frank D. Engel, Jr.)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 16:16:19 -0500
Subject: Card within a card (or subforms)
In-Reply-To: <20041215211147.VXSV23615.fed1rmmtao04.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net>
References: <20041215211147.VXSV23615.fed1rmmtao04.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net>
Message-ID: <900CF7A2-4EDE-11D9-869C-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>

No, but you can achieve a similar effect by making the objects you wish 
to appear on the "wrapper card" members of a group, telling the group 
to act as a background, and placing that background on each of the 
"subcards".

On Dec 15, 2004, at 4:11 PM, <mfstuart at cox.net> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I was wondering if a card can be a subcard?
> In otherwords, I'd like to build an interface that has a "wrapper" 
> card that then loads or calls another card to appear "inside" the 
> called from card - the "wrapper" card.
>
> Typically, in the Windows development environment this is called forms 
> and subforms, where the subform is a child of the parent form. When 
> the parent form is dragged around, the subform "goes" with it - the 
> subform is inhereted by the parent form.
>
> Another example of this, would be the browser forms with frames, 
> whether vertical or horizontal.
>
> If this can be done, can someone point me in the right direction to do 
> this?
>
> TIA,
>
> Mark Stuart
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
>
-----------------------------------------------------------
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$ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
$ true | cat /usr/manual | grep "John 3:16"
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten 
Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have 
everlasting life.
$



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From erikhans08 at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 15 16:38:12 2004
From: erikhans08 at yahoo.com (Erik Hansen)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 13:38:12 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Word keyword
In-Reply-To: <53004A6D-4EDE-11D9-869C-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>
Message-ID: <20041215213812.77443.qmail@web61203.mail.yahoo.com>


--- "Frank D. Engel, Jr." <fde101 at fjrhome.net>
wrote:

> I believe that he is referring to a
> "non-breaking" space, which is a 
> space which does not break a line.  So if that
> space falls at the end 
> of a line, it will not break there, but it will
> keep looking back for a 
> "regular" space.

thanks for the response.

i can see how a space would break a word,
but i don't underatand how a space breaks 
a line.

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From BNZ2 at CDC.GOV  Wed Dec 15 16:40:39 2004
From: BNZ2 at CDC.GOV (Lynch, Jonathan)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 16:40:39 -0500
Subject: Card within a card (or subforms)
Message-ID: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A9469E27@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>

You can also do the same as parent/child windows with two stacks with
one stack controlling the position of the other.

-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Frank D.
Engel, Jr.
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 4:16 PM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: Card within a card (or subforms)

No, but you can achieve a similar effect by making the objects you wish 
to appear on the "wrapper card" members of a group, telling the group 
to act as a background, and placing that background on each of the 
"subcards".

On Dec 15, 2004, at 4:11 PM, <mfstuart at cox.net> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I was wondering if a card can be a subcard?
> In otherwords, I'd like to build an interface that has a "wrapper" 
> card that then loads or calls another card to appear "inside" the 
> called from card - the "wrapper" card.
>
> Typically, in the Windows development environment this is called forms

> and subforms, where the subform is a child of the parent form. When 
> the parent form is dragged around, the subform "goes" with it - the 
> subform is inhereted by the parent form.
>
> Another example of this, would be the browser forms with frames, 
> whether vertical or horizontal.
>
> If this can be done, can someone point me in the right direction to do

> this?
>
> TIA,
>
> Mark Stuart
>
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$ true | cat /usr/manual | grep "John 3:16"
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Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have 
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From katir at hindu.org  Wed Dec 15 16:48:02 2004
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 11:48:02 -1000
Subject: [ANN} libEXIF v0.9
In-Reply-To: <2EB95ED5-4ECB-11D9-BA8E-000A95C61E96@easynet.fr>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20041215141022.02a5ec60@pop3.btinternet.com>
	<2EB95ED5-4ECB-11D9-BA8E-000A95C61E96@easynet.fr>
Message-ID: <FE6371E9-4EE2-11D9-9486-000A959D0AC6@hindu.org>

Aloha, from Hawaii, Alex:

OK "ideas" here goes:

I deal with digital images virtually *every* day of my life.. so this 
is very interesting news.

Do you know if the catalog information that is applied to images in 
Photoshop CS is stored as EXIF metadata?

An application we would be very interested in (and I think could be a 
commercially viable product in the "real" world) would go like this: in 
a real world scenario:

Our photographer in Nepal (Thomas Kelly, as somewhat famous 
photographer who also does assignments in Nepal and India for Hinduism 
Today") goes on a photo shoot of some particular event. Like most 
photographers, he will take even up to 500 shots in a 3 day period.... 
But for the article that will use them in the next issue of the  
magazine, we only need perhaps 8 of them.

Enter Revolution: We make a stand alone application for Thomas.. He 
works in Photoshop... enters his captions, then we have Revolution 
stack  "reads" all the photos into an external substack which creates 
lo-resolution 2 X 3 inch thumbnails., but the metadata from the 
photoshop info (which I hope is EXIF) is read into a field below the 
photo... he clicks a button, the substack is saved, compressed and sent 
FTP to us here... our editors review all the images, and the can read 
the captions, the respond to him saying "We want these 8 shots"  then 
opens his revolution stack and clicks on a list of chosing those 8 
images, these are in turn compressed and sent to use by FTP.. but the 
EXIF data somehow accomanies them. When the photos actually go into 
InDesign... the editor can pull out the EXIF data for the captions.

right now I have a small application working for remote photographers, 
but the caption info is external to the image... when they ship to us 
here... (usually by email) I get

01someImage.jpg
01SomeImage.txt  # this being the caption

But, there are challenges with this system.. what if someone renames 
the image later ..etc.  files get separated... in some contexts i don't 
want any text files in the working directory...etc. It would be much 
better if there was a way to for the photographer to "insert" this 
metadata into the photo file itself, so that it could piggyback along 
with the files as a single entity.

We work with lots of photographers, both high end and lo end... and I 
don't see any of them with these kinds of functional tools. There could 
be a niche market for some application along these lines.

Sannyasin Sivakatirswami
Himalayan Academy Publications
at Kauai's Hindu Monastery
katir at hindu.org

www.HimalayanAcademy.com,
www.HinduismToday.com
www.Gurudeva.org
www.Hindu.org

On Dec 15, 2004, at 8:57 AM, Pierre Sahores wrote:

> Thanks a lot Alex for this ! I forward directly your announcement to 
> Pr Fran?ois Jouen witch could be interested in testing it.
>
> Kind Regards, Pierre
>
> Le 15 d?c. 04, ? 15:20, Alex Tweedly a ?crit :
>
>> EXIF Extraction library.
>>
>> EXIF stands for Exchangeable Image File Format, the format used to 
>> store interchange information in photo files, particularly JPEGs 
>> though it is also used in TIFFs.  Most digital cameras now include 
>> EXIF information.
>>
>> I've put the first (let's call it alpha :-) version of my EXIF 
>> extraction library up on RevOnline. (category Programming, or under 
>> my username alextweedly).
>>
>> The stack is intended to be used as a library, but it  includes a 
>> "Test" button to try it out on your own photo files, and an "Info & 
>> help" button which will (some day) give real documentation. See the 
>> script under "Test" button for the essentials.
>>
>> It can extract much of the EXIF information included in JPEG and TIFF 
>> files. I don't yet decode manufacturer specific "Makernote" info - I 
>> have the necessary information for a few manufacturers ready to code 
>> - but don't yet have it for Pentax *ist D (i.e. my own camera !!), so 
>> that's not top of the priority list.
>>
>> I've tested it on a few hundred photos, from probably 20 different 
>> cameras - so I'm sure there are more crufty variations that it hasn't 
>> yet been tested against. I'd be grateful for any reports of 
>> misbehaviour or problems.
>>
>> Now that I actually have something I think is worth sharing, I'll go 
>> start on my RunRev web page.
>>
>> Thanks
>> -- Alex.
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>>
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From fde101 at fjrhome.net  Wed Dec 15 16:48:31 2004
From: fde101 at fjrhome.net (Frank D. Engel, Jr.)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 16:48:31 -0500
Subject: Word keyword
In-Reply-To: <20041215213812.77443.qmail@web61203.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20041215213812.77443.qmail@web61203.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <0FF979F6-4EE3-11D9-869C-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>

To simplify things, consider a monospaced font, with each line in a 
word-wrapped field displaying 20 characters.  Let's look at the string:

THIS IS A STRING WHICH WE WILL ASSUME IS RENDERED IN A MONOSPACED FONT.

With "normal" (breaking) spaces, the field will show lines with text as 
follows:

THIS IS A STRING
WHICH WE WILL ASSUME
IS RENDERED IN A
MONOSPACED FONT.


The space between STRING and WHICH breaks the first line, the space 
between ASSUME and IS breaks the second, and the space between A and 
MONOSPACED breaks the third.  Now change the space between STRING and 
WHICH into a non-breaking space, and you get this:

THIS IS A
STRING WHICH WE WILL
ASSUME IS RENDERED
IN A MONOSPACED
FONT.



On Dec 15, 2004, at 4:38 PM, Erik Hansen wrote:

>
> --- "Frank D. Engel, Jr." <fde101 at fjrhome.net>
> wrote:
>
>> I believe that he is referring to a
>> "non-breaking" space, which is a
>> space which does not break a line.  So if that
>> space falls at the end
>> of a line, it will not break there, but it will
>> keep looking back for a
>> "regular" space.
>
> thanks for the response.
>
> i can see how a space would break a word,
> but i don't underatand how a space breaks
> a line.
>
> Erik Hansen
>
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From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Wed Dec 15 17:04:19 2004
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 22:04:19 +0000
Subject: Word keyword
In-Reply-To: <20041215211116.79124.qmail@web61207.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BDE66563.25FCB%benr_mc@cogapp.com>

on 15/12/04 9:11 pm, Erik Hansen wrote
> what is a "hard space"?

AKA "non breaking space".  It's a character which is not a space, but has no
black pixels.  It's nothing to do with Rev - it was invented early in
word-processing - it looks like a space on the printed page, but
line-breaking code doesn't realise it isn't a normal character, so it
doesn't break the line.

On the Mac, you've traditionally entered it using option-space; in HTML,
it's represented by &nbsp;.

Basically, it's a venerable hack.  And if you think that's bad, Unicode has
reserved another code point to represent a "zero-width non-breaking space".
I really don't know what purpose that serves!

 
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From tsj at unimelb.edu.au  Wed Dec 15 17:08:27 2004
From: tsj at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 09:08:27 +1100
Subject: SystemWindow equivalent for just one Application?
In-Reply-To: <20041215170151.B83EE9301A6@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20041215170151.B83EE9301A6@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <D8E272BB-4EE5-11D9-BDD3-0003930D06A0@unimelb.edu.au>


On 16/12/2004, at 4:01 AM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com 
wrote:

> From: Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com>
> Date: 16 December 2004 2:46:05 AM
> To: Use-Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Subject: SystemWindow equivalent for just one Application?
> Reply-To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
>
>
> Using the systemWindow property you can make a rev window float above 
> all others. What if you only want to make it float above a certain 
> application. The goal would be to make a Rev app that functions as an 
> application-specific palette.

How would that work? Do you mean that with multiple applications 
running it would only float to the front when the target application 
was foremost?

>
> I think I remember you used to be able to do this with FaceSpan-built 
> apps. You had to edit resources (on OS 9) to make it happen, and set 
> some resource to the creator code of the app you wanted to float over.

Don't know about this but there are probably more circuitous ways to do 
this on the Mac using applescript. You could have your Rev app 
regularly poll the current processes to see whether the target app was 
running and if so query the topmost window to see whether it belonged 
to it. If both conditions were met then you could set the systemWindow 
property (although be wary of toggling this too often or quickly as in 
my experience it can crash Rev under OSX).
>
> In any case, is that even possible under Windows/OS X?

No ideas re Windows - sorry.

Cheers,

Terry...
>
> regards,
>
> Geoff Canyon
> gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com
>
Dr Terry Judd
Lecturer in Educational Technology (Design)
Biomedical Multimedia Unit
Faculty of Medicine, Dentistry & Health Sciences
The University of Melbourne
Parkville VIC 3052
AUSTRALIA


From gbojsza at gmail.com  Wed Dec 15 17:18:35 2004
From: gbojsza at gmail.com (Glen Bojsza)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 17:18:35 -0500
Subject: Windows Dos window doesn't work?
Message-ID: <3d8af415041215141826868355@mail.gmail.com>

Well, I'm still trying to see if anyone else has this problem with
Windows XP and Rev 2.5

on mouseup 
open process "cmd" for read         # it opens a cmd window but fails
to return a prompt
end mouseup

Sorry for pushing this but I'm stuck on the road without another
machine to test with.

Any help is appreciated.

thanks,

Glen

From FMoyer at aol.com  Wed Dec 15 17:20:17 2004
From: FMoyer at aol.com (FMoyer at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 17:20:17 EST
Subject: Digital Audio File/Quicktime Help
Message-ID: <13c.8aca361.2ef212a1@aol.com>

Is there anyone out there who knows the insides of digital audio files? I am 
writing an application where it would be helpful to be able to manipulate 
these files. For example, I'd like to create a new sound file that consists of 
just a portion of a larger sound   file. I have no idea if it is even possible to 
dig inside a sound file without messing it up.

I would also like to find someone who knows the insides of Quicktime. I am 
needing to use Quicktime in some slightly unorthodox ways. For example, I need 
to allow the user to click a mouse to play a portion of a Quicktime file with 
no time lag -- in other words as soon as the user clicks the mouse, the music 
plays.

Thanks

Fred Moyer

From dsc at swcp.com  Wed Dec 15 17:36:05 2004
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 15:36:05 -0700
Subject: Card within a card (or subforms)
In-Reply-To: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A9469E27@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
References: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A9469E27@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
Message-ID: <B5154B65-4EE9-11D9-BB4F-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>

Frank's idea of a background on several cards is the good base-line 
solution.  It requires that all instances of that subform be in the 
same position and only in that form.

Jonathan's approach gives more flexibility in multiple subforms in the 
same form.  It might run into problems when windows are dragged, 
causing a subform to chase after a form.  It might be best for kiosks 
and similar applications.

Another approach is to use several groups of which only one is visible.

Another is to update data based on a control.

You can mix and match these.

It might be fun to dream about asking for a control which is a view 
into a stack.

Dar


From dsc at swcp.com  Wed Dec 15 18:11:10 2004
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 16:11:10 -0700
Subject: Windows Dos window doesn't work?
In-Reply-To: <3d8af415041215141826868355@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3d8af415041215141826868355@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9BA0DCAA-4EEE-11D9-BB4F-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>


On Dec 15, 2004, at 3:18 PM, Glen Bojsza wrote:

> on mouseup
> open process "cmd" for read         # it opens a cmd window but fails
> to return a prompt
> end mouseup

I'll try to squeeze out some time and look at this.  I gave up on 'open 
process' for Windows long ago when my bug list got large and ignored.

First of all...  Do you mean a prompt from "cmd"?  Won't that go to 
your process I/O?  A pipe is set up from cmd's stdout to the process 
I/O channel in Rev.  Or am I missing something?

Dar Scott

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From bwoodruf at butler.edu  Wed Dec 15 18:27:35 2004
From: bwoodruf at butler.edu (Burrton Wodruff)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 18:27:35 -0500
Subject: Error Building Standalone. Can't save file
Message-ID: <E6A7DC18-4EF0-11D9-A1C7-000393050F50@butler.edu>

Hi Folk,

Recently I've begun getting the following dialog when creating 
standalones in MacOS X for Mac OS X.

"There was an error while saving the standalone application."

This error doesn't happen on every stack. It is consistent on the ones 
when it occurs.

I'd appreciate any thoughts about troubleshooting or the source of the 
problem.

Many thanks,

Burrton Woodruff
Ripple Software
bwoodruf at butler.edu


From alex at tweedly.net  Wed Dec 15 18:33:40 2004
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 23:33:40 +0000
Subject: URL download and Cache problems
In-Reply-To: <41C0A59F.6020506@fourthworld.com>
References: <FA567874-4EDA-11D9-B818-000393C10758@all-auctions.com>
 <5.1.0.14.0.20041215181643.02dee120@mail.tweedly.net>
 <5.1.0.14.0.20041215174234.02d3bf18@mail.tweedly.net>
 <BDE5B968.25F14%benr_mc@cogapp.com>
 <BDE5B968.25F14%benr_mc@cogapp.com>
 <5.1.0.14.0.20041215174234.02d3bf18@mail.tweedly.net>
 <5.1.0.14.0.20041215181643.02dee120@mail.tweedly.net>
 <5.1.0.14.0.20041215185722.02ded3f0@mail.tweedly.net>
 <FA567874-4EDA-11D9-B818-000393C10758@all-auctions.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20041215231423.02daba58@mail.tweedly.net>

At 12:59 15/12/2004 -0800, Richard Gaskin wrote:

>This conversation raises a question -
>
>There are currently two ways to download files, the "load" command and 
>"get URL".

3 if you count libURLDownloadToFile  (though it's for ftp only)

>It used to be the case that "load" was a better option for longer 
>downloads and/or if you need to update a progress bar, since it was the 
>only one of the two that was non-blocking and you could querty the 
>urlStatus for those downloads.
>
>But now that we have the libUrlStatusCallback option, which provides 
>periodic messages for "get URL", is there any benefit to using "load"?

Yes, lots of them (I think).

libURLSetStatusCallback provides you with periodic callbacks during 
(amongst other things) a
    get URL ....
command. However, it would be a bit convoluted to carry on and do other 
processing from within such a callback; updating a progress bar/field would 
be fine, but going on to do more than that feels a bit complicated.

Using load allows you to carry on with other general purpose processing of 
any kind, while still providing both periodic callbacks AND "when complete" 
callback.

Also (if I read the docs correctly - haven't tried it), you cannot initiate 
a second blocking operation while the first one is still in progress (docs 
say this results in an error "Error Previous request not completed").  If 
you want to retrieve a number of URLs in parallel, the load command is 
still the only way.

-- Alex.

From alex at tweedly.net  Wed Dec 15 18:55:18 2004
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 23:55:18 +0000
Subject: Windows Dos window doesn't work?
In-Reply-To: <3d8af415041215141826868355@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20041215234413.02d8ce10@mail.tweedly.net>

At 17:18 15/12/2004 -0500, Glen Bojsza wrote:

>Well, I'm still trying to see if anyone else has this problem with
>Windows XP and Rev 2.5
>
>on mouseup
>open process "cmd" for read         # it opens a cmd window but fails
>to return a prompt
>end mouseup
>
>Sorry for pushing this but I'm stuck on the road without another
>machine to test with.

Don't have XP, tried it on Win2000

I see the same symptom - but I think that's what it's supposed to do. When you
    open process ... for read
the output from that process is redirected to your stack (and available via 
"read from process"). In the case of "cmd", the prompt is part of its 
output.  I tried the following script and received the characters that 
would normally be the prompt.

on mouseUp
   open process "cmd" for read # it opens a cmd window but fails  to return 
a prompt
   put the result
   read from process "cmd" for 20 chars
   put "<<" & it & ">>" & cr after msg
   read from process "cmd" for 20 chars
   put "<<" & it & ">>" & cr after msg
   read from process "cmd" for 20 chars
   put "<<" & it & ">>" & cr after msg
end mouseUp

I'm afraid I don't remember the start of the discussion, so I'm not sure 
what you are trying to do - i.e. I don't know if this helps, or just makes 
it worse :-)

I'll go look back in the archive - but wanted to get this off to you as 
soon as possible in case it does help.

-- Alex.

From sarahr at genesearch.com.au  Wed Dec 15 19:05:43 2004
From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 10:05:43 +1000
Subject: Error Building Standalone. Can't save file
In-Reply-To: <E6A7DC18-4EF0-11D9-A1C7-000393050F50@butler.edu>
References: <E6A7DC18-4EF0-11D9-A1C7-000393050F50@butler.edu>
Message-ID: <3A51C99A-4EF6-11D9-8AD4-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au>

> Recently I've begun getting the following dialog when creating 
> standalones in MacOS X for Mac OS X.
>
> "There was an error while saving the standalone application."
>
> This error doesn't happen on every stack. It is consistent on the ones 
> when it occurs.
>
> I'd appreciate any thoughts about troubleshooting or the source of the 
> problem.
>
I have come across this happening with 2 possible causes:
1. if the path name contains a weird character i.e. an ASCII > 127 - 
characters including accents etc
2. sometimes having the standalone builder search for inclusions causes 
problems, especially if the stack is password protected. Select the 
inclusions manually and see if this helps.

Have you done the updates using "Check for updates..." in the Help 
menu? One of the updates was for the standalone settings stack, so it 
may have already fixed this problem.

Cheers,
Sarah


From sarahr at genesearch.com.au  Wed Dec 15 19:12:15 2004
From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 10:12:15 +1000
Subject: Dreamcard Player - help
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20041215123555.02a69618@mail.tweedly.net>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20041215123555.02a69618@mail.tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <245A69EC-4EF7-11D9-8AD4-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au>

>> There are differences between the two computers.
>
> summarized ... these are
>
> home vs work
> developer vs player
> no QT vs QT
> MAForums OK (dev & player)   vs  - MAForums not OK
> (i.e. does open, but does not return data to the form from the MA 
> Forum, when clicking on the Load button.)
>
> Given that set of differences, and a problem with an app that 
> retrieves stuff from the Internet, my first guess would be a corporate 
> firewall issue.  I haven't looked at the app (couldn't see it on 
> Sarah's site from the description - could you give me a URL please). 
> But even if it "only" does HTTP "get"s, it's possible to get firewall 
> problems.
>

This stack was part of a tutorial I wrote for revJournal. Here is the 
URL: <http://www.revjournal.com/comments.php?id=P66_0_1_0>

It doesn't use QuickTime and only contains 1 graphic which is the 
"chasing arrows" animated gif from the standard image library. The only 
thing it needs is the internet library as it downloads web pages using 
"put URL ..." and displays others using "revGoURL".

Cheers,
Sarah


From dsc at swcp.com  Wed Dec 15 20:07:21 2004
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 18:07:21 -0700
Subject: Windows Dos window doesn't work?
In-Reply-To: <3d8af415041215141826868355@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3d8af415041215141826868355@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D6AA639F-4EFE-11D9-BB4F-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>


On Dec 15, 2004, at 3:18 PM, Glen Bojsza wrote:

> on mouseup
> open process "cmd" for read         # it opens a cmd window but fails
> to return a prompt
> end mouseup
>
> Sorry for pushing this but I'm stuck on the road without another
> machine to test with.

Glen, I'll look at this now.

In the mean time, I recommend using shell() if you possibly can.

If you don't need a back and forth dialog, try piping a file into cmd 
using shell().  You can set that file from your script and delete it 
afterward.  You can put it into the appropriate specialFolderPath().  
If it is sensitive, you might have to wipe the file or just use this 
approach until you can make open process work for you.  You may want to 
set hideConsoleWindows.

There are several problems with 'open process' on Windows.  There are 
several bugs to watch out for.  There is one big limitation: the two 
pipes for update are not independent; close one and the other closes.  
That means that if cmd sends certain data only after the input is 
closed, then you can't get it.

The only problem I know for shell() is that it butchers binary stuff on 
output.

Dar

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From alex at tweedly.net  Wed Dec 15 20:44:23 2004
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 01:44:23 +0000
Subject: Windows Dos window doesn't work?
In-Reply-To: <D6AA639F-4EFE-11D9-BB4F-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
References: <3d8af415041215141826868355@mail.gmail.com>
 <3d8af415041215141826868355@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20041216014003.02d6fea8@mail.tweedly.net>

At 18:07 15/12/2004 -0700, Dar Scott wrote:


>On Dec 15, 2004, at 3:18 PM, Glen Bojsza wrote:
>
>>on mouseup
>>open process "cmd" for read         # it opens a cmd window but fails
>>to return a prompt
>>end mouseup
>>
>>Sorry for pushing this but I'm stuck on the road without another
>>machine to test with.
>
>Glen, I'll look at this now.

No need - it was indeed the fact that it was being piped to the stack.

I gave Glen an example of using
     open process "cmd" for update
that both wrote his commands and read the result; so I don't think there's 
any need for you took at that problem.

But I'd like to hear any more you remember about problems with open process 
on Windows.


>In the mean time, I recommend using shell() if you possibly can.
>
>If you don't need a back and forth dialog, try piping a file into cmd 
>using shell().  You can set that file from your script and delete it 
>afterward.  You can put it into the appropriate specialFolderPath().
>If it is sensitive, you might have to wipe the file or just use this 
>approach until you can make open process work for you.  You may want to 
>set hideConsoleWindows.

So would you do something like
   put "d:" & cr & "cd \My folder\my directory" & cr & "dir *.jpg" & cr 
into URL "my.bat"
   put shell("cmd < my.bat")
   delete file "my.bat"

(assuming you get all these in the correct folders :-)

Thanks
-- Alex.

From dsc at swcp.com  Wed Dec 15 20:49:04 2004
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 18:49:04 -0700
Subject: Windows Dos window doesn't work?
In-Reply-To: <3d8af415041215141826868355@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3d8af415041215141826868355@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AAE5F760-4F04-11D9-BB4F-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>


On Dec 15, 2004, at 3:18 PM, Glen Bojsza wrote:

> on mouseup
> open process "cmd" for read         # it opens a cmd window but fails
> to return a prompt
> end mouseup

This style might work as a workaround:

on mouseUp
   set hideConsoleWindows to true
   put "b" & lf & "c" & lf & "a" into URL "binfile:c/temp"
   put shell("sort < c:\temp")
end mouseUp

==>
a
b
c

I tried sort using open process for read.  I tried typing blind but ran 
into problems.  It seems sort spits something out and quits when the 
input is closed.  An error occurs (not just result set) on a subsequent 
read.  I guess Rev closes its read pipe (the process's stdout) just 
because the process quit, even though there might be data in it.  The 
problem may not apply to your app.

Some applications do not use stdin and stdout but use some api to 
manipulate the console window, so those may be a problem.

Dar

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From dsc at swcp.com  Wed Dec 15 21:36:48 2004
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 19:36:48 -0700
Subject: Windows Dos window doesn't work?
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20041216014003.02d6fea8@mail.tweedly.net>
References: <3d8af415041215141826868355@mail.gmail.com>
	<3d8af415041215141826868355@mail.gmail.com>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20041216014003.02d6fea8@mail.tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <55FBEF8E-4F0B-11D9-BB4F-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>


On Dec 15, 2004, at 6:44 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote:

> So would you do something like
>   put "d:" & cr & "cd \My folder\my directory" & cr & "dir *.jpg" & cr 
> into URL "my.bat"
>   put shell("cmd < my.bat")
>   delete file "my.bat"

Yeah, something like that.

> But I'd like to hear any more you remember about problems with open 
> process on Windows.

OK.  Off the top of my head:

If you read too soon and there is no data, Rev will hang.

A control-. in a read will sometimes cause a crash.

Under some conditions processes are left running and unable to shut 
down, even ones that work on the command line such as ping.  They have 
to be killed.

The 'in time' does not work right; the time is random.

Binary I/O is butchered.

until end will crash, but until empty will get what's in the buffer 
sometimes.

The read returns eof on an empty buffer and will throw an error near 
the end of data in a closed pipe.

Severe limitations:  close will not only close the pipe to the process 
but will disable the ability to read the response.  Also, if the 
process quits it is hard to read its last words.

Doc doesn't mention binary for open process or the difference between 
empty and end in open process

There are others, but I don't remember.

For most of these I found workarounds.  There were some limitations 
that blocked what I was doing at the time and since RunRev seemed to 
have no desire to fix these, I gave up on open process.  Anything with 
a dozen bugs like this is bound to have more; it did not seem prudent 
to go on.  My customer had already decided I had gone off my rocker in 
doing this with Revolution.

These are from over two years ago, so some of these may have gotten 
fixed as other bugs were fixed.

The shell() is much more stable and can get data from a process that 
quits.  Unfortunately, it tries to do line-end transformations on 
binary data.  There is probably a base64 utility that can help with 
that.

The last time I check 'open process' on OS X, it didn't work at all.

Dar Scott
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From gregory.lypny at videotron.ca  Wed Dec 15 21:37:22 2004
From: gregory.lypny at videotron.ca (Gregory Lypny)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 21:37:22 -0500
Subject: Word keyword
In-Reply-To: <20041215230629.A94149301E7@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20041215230629.A94149301E7@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <69E88DD8-4F0B-11D9-B186-000D9350C9C2@videotron.ca>

Yes I was referring to a non-breaking space.  Sorry for the 
terminology.  In my mind, the word hard made sense given its (the 
space's) inflexibility.

	Greg

On Dec 15, 2004, at 6:06 PM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com 
wrote:

> --- Gregory Lypny <gregory.lypny at videotron.ca>
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Dar, Jacqueline, and Richard for your
>> suggestions.  I was able
>> to fix it in the meantime by getting the
>> rftText and replacing the hard
>> spaces with regular spaces.
>
> "what is a "hard space"?
>
> thanks,
>
> Erik Hansen


From ausgames2000 at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 15 22:18:55 2004
From: ausgames2000 at yahoo.com (James Russell)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 19:18:55 -0800 (PST)
Subject: New Revolution Game
In-Reply-To: <20041215230629.E393B9301E9@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <20041216031856.19196.qmail@web53010.mail.yahoo.com>

> Yep, I'm seeing this too.
> 
> On Dec 15, 2004, at 2:43 PM, Thomas McGrath III
> wrote:
> 
> > When I lost in the arena while my guys were
> working out they did not 
> > die. They were still working out but could not do
> anything else. They 
> > were like ghosts.

Almost ghosts, they are just lacking extra graphics.
Basically you require a graveyard to store the dead
bodies, otherwise they take up space when they die. 

> >
> > On Dec 15, 2004, at 2:17 PM, Frank D. Engel, Jr.
> wrote:
> >
> >> An OS X version would be quite nice, yes...
> >>
> >> OS 9 wouldn't hurt either, but if you are
> cross-developing from 
> >> Windows you won't be able to build for OS 9. 
> Should still be able to 
> >> build an OS X version, though...

I have an old powerpc lying around and have been
meaning to set it up I shall try to do that before
x-mas. I did a OS X build, but since I have never
touched OS X Im unsure as to how successful it will
be. There is two differnt builds for OS X, hopefully
one of them will work. If neither work, Im up for some
pointers :)

Jeremy
jeremy at taggedsoftware.com


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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Thu Dec 16 00:18:57 2004
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 21:18:57 -0800
Subject: The Programmer As Wordsmith
Message-ID: <12039142493.20041215211857@ahsoftware.net>

All-

Interesting article on designing text in user interfaces to be used by
real people instead of programmers. Watch the wordwrap here - if it
can't be pieced back together, go to www.embedded.com and find the
article entitled "The Programmer As Wordsmith".

http://www.embedded.com/showArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=UIAIHHO3P0PECQSNDBCSKH0CJUMEKJVN?articleID=53700319

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net


From b.xavier at internet.lu  Thu Dec 16 01:45:19 2004
From: b.xavier at internet.lu (MisterX)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 07:45:19 +0100
Subject: ANN: GM Scanner2.0 release for bug 2341
In-Reply-To: <12039142493.20041215211857@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <20041216063608.A65289300A9@mail.runrev.com>

You may not be affected, but then again, you may be! This is a hidden bug...
As far as I know, or looked at bugzilla or support tells me, there is no fix
seemingly coming, and the bug is still unconfirmed despited extensive
debugging time, months sitting there and extensive proof.

So if you use the Geometry Manager, try this stack to check for any GM bugs
relative to bug 2341 in your stacks!

http://monsieurx.com/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=getit&lid=72
(12KBs)

A carefully crafted demo stack with the bug is included for the test.

This little stack will also save and more importantly restore you're stack's
controls geometry in case of any mishaps (see bugzillas 2335 or 2347 - all
three can happen together too ;)

See, im not ranting, just giving you more freeware to help you out.

Thanks to Chipp for motivating me to roll out my own GM... Coming out in
2005 with some shark teeth. Thanks to Heather and Kevin for creating a new
project for my xmas vacation. All I asked was a yes or no answer, my efforts
helping you have proven idiotic again... I feel even more of an idiot
today...

The Bugzilla database is not up to date and there are still 2.2 bugs that
persist today or some bugz are marked fixed when they are not! There is
hardly any way of knowing for us users or them developpers what a bug status
is according to support or when it will be fixed! Naturally each one of us
could help others' bugs by voting or writing comments but Im quite
disappointed in these bugzillas votes! Meanwhile the inconsistencies pile up
- who's wasting resources here? 

That's just a friendly suggestion in bug/change management which I do each
day for 2000 users and 300 servers with some 70000 cases avg per year (not
all for me ;)!. IMOHO, this customer feedback weakness causes lots of
aggravation and stress for many, not to mention "unknown" release delays for
all affected... 

Anyway, that's what motivated me to release this helper stack and release my
aggravation in GM... I still think it's a wonderful technology but I would
not recommended for medium to large stacks at all! 

If this stack helps you find a bug, i'd really appreciate a donation to my
paypal at Monsieurx.com... It will save hours of frustration - believe me,
it's hair yanking material! 

No feedback = no support - no support = less work - more work for the RunRev
dev team - and definitely more bugs to handle later for them and you and
your clients! 

Am i wrong? Free Food for thought... 

Note: If you dont complain, things will never get better! 

best regards,
Xavier


From b.xavier at internet.lu  Thu Dec 16 01:54:45 2004
From: b.xavier at internet.lu (MisterX)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 07:54:45 +0100
Subject: crashing Rev - bugz 1642
In-Reply-To: <12039142493.20041215211857@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <20041216064533.F2E149300FD@mail.runrev.com>

I have now 2 stacks which when closed, will crash runrev with a single click
in the revmenubar. 

I've rebuilt these stacks 3 times over and the bug keeps coming back...

Anyonelse has had this? I've posted a bugzilla 1642 in May and still happens
(i reopened the bugzilla) which was set as "Fixed"! 

votes, comments, and examples welcome...

cheers
Xavier


From gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com  Thu Dec 16 02:20:49 2004
From: gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 23:20:49 -0800
Subject: Making a Rev-built app hoist itself to the foreground
In-Reply-To: <l03130300bde610245074@[62.137.69.117]>
References: <41BDEF83.9080002@chipp.com>
	<6C72D9B4-4C72-11D9-AC30-000A95A872D6@inspiredlogic.com>
	<AEED5658-4C8A-11D9-BB76-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au>
	<D93177B2-4D18-11D9-AC30-000A95A872D6@inspiredlogic.com>
	<41BDEF83.9080002@chipp.com> <l03130300bde610245074@[62.137.69.117]>
Message-ID: <02F72D4A-4F33-11D9-AC30-000A95A872D6@inspiredlogic.com>


On Dec 15, 2004, at 8:02 AM, Martin Baxter wrote:

> FWIW, you're right there isn't a command as such, you set the iconic
> property to true or false to achieve this.
>

I see that's correct, but it doesn't seem to bring an app to the 
foreground.

regards,

Geoff Canyon
gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com


From chipp at chipp.com  Thu Dec 16 02:30:12 2004
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 23:30:12 -0800
Subject: Making a Rev-built app hoist itself to the foreground
In-Reply-To: <423D2B18-4EAA-11D9-AC30-000A95A872D6@inspiredlogic.com>
References: <6C72D9B4-4C72-11D9-AC30-000A95A872D6@inspiredlogic.com>
	<AEED5658-4C8A-11D9-BB76-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au>
	<D93177B2-4D18-11D9-AC30-000A95A872D6@inspiredlogic.com>
	<41BDEF83.9080002@chipp.com>
	<423D2B18-4EAA-11D9-AC30-000A95A872D6@inspiredlogic.com>
Message-ID: <41C13984.3020301@chipp.com>

set the iconic of this stack to true/false

Geoff Canyon wrote:
> I looked and didn't see a command for this -- just messages that get 
> delivered when it happens.

> On Dec 13, 2004, at 11:37 AM, Chipp Walters wrote:
> 
>> Can you somehow minimize it then maximize it programatically? Just a 
>> guess.

From chipp at chipp.com  Thu Dec 16 03:05:42 2004
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 00:05:42 -0800
Subject: crashing Rev - bugz 1642
In-Reply-To: <20041216064533.F2E149300FD@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20041216064533.F2E149300FD@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <41C141D6.1060200@chipp.com>

Hi X,

I, too have seen this. Here's how I fixed it.
After you close your stack type into msg:

set the breakpoints to empty

and see if it still crashes rev.

best,

Chipp

MisterX wrote:
> I have now 2 stacks which when closed, will crash runrev with a single click
> in the revmenubar. 


From dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Thu Dec 16 03:31:25 2004
From: dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 08:31:25 +0000
Subject: URL download and Cache problems
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20041215231423.02daba58@mail.tweedly.net>
References: <FA567874-4EDA-11D9-B818-000393C10758@all-auctions.com>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20041215181643.02dee120@mail.tweedly.net>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20041215174234.02d3bf18@mail.tweedly.net>
	<BDE5B968.25F14%benr_mc@cogapp.com> <BDE5B968.25F14%benr_mc@cogapp.com>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20041215174234.02d3bf18@mail.tweedly.net>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20041215181643.02dee120@mail.tweedly.net>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20041215185722.02ded3f0@mail.tweedly.net>
	<FA567874-4EDA-11D9-B818-000393C10758@all-auctions.com>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20041215231423.02daba58@mail.tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <E00568C9-4F3C-11D9-9C50-000A9569F8B0@lacscentre.co.uk>

On 15 Dec 2004, at 23:33, Alex Tweedly wrote:

> At 12:59 15/12/2004 -0800, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>
>> This conversation raises a question -
>>
>> There are currently two ways to download files, the "load" command 
>> and "get URL".
>
> 3 if you count libURLDownloadToFile  (though it's for ftp only)

This works with http too. (Perhaps you were thinkig of 
libUrlFtpUploadFile.)


>
>> It used to be the case that "load" was a better option for longer 
>> downloads and/or if you need to update a progress bar, since it was 
>> the only one of the two that was non-blocking and you could querty 
>> the urlStatus for those downloads.
>>
>> But now that we have the libUrlStatusCallback option, which provides 
>> periodic messages for "get URL", is there any benefit to using 
>> "load"?
>
> Yes, lots of them (I think).

But they can all probably be summarized under one heading, i.e "load" 
is good when you need to get on with something else while the stuff is 
downloading.

Richard's thought may stem from a similar experience to mine. 
Previously, "load" was often preferred because it was the only way to 
show  progress of the download, and not because there was a need to do 
other processing. In my own apps, I almost always need to pause other 
things until a download completes. (e.g. a learner chooses a lesson to 
open, and can't work on it until it has downloaded) "load" wasn't ideal 
for this. But "load" was often recommended over "get" because of this 
ability to show progress. With the libUrlStatusCallback option, I now 
rarely need to use load. It's much simpler to use get.


Caveat:  when using "get", there's no obvious way to abort a download 
before it completes. This should probably go on the to-do list.

Cheers
Dave 


From gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com  Thu Dec 16 03:31:57 2004
From: gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 00:31:57 -0800
Subject: Making a Rev-built app hoist itself to the foreground
In-Reply-To: <41C05317.1000808@fourthworld.com>
References: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A9469E17@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
	<1B4384C3-4EAA-11D9-AC30-000A95A872D6@inspiredlogic.com>
	<41C05317.1000808@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <F2F93219-4F3C-11D9-AC30-000A95A872D6@inspiredlogic.com>

On Dec 15, 2004, at 7:07 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Geoff Canyon wrote:
>> Thanks, but I need something that will bring the whole Revolution app 
>> to the foreground when other applications are in front of it. "go 
>> this stack" brings that window to the front of the Rev app, but 
>> doesn't change the layer of the app itself.
>
> You can use the Activate AppleScript command on OS X; with Windows 
> having interleaved windows from the beginning there is no concept of 
> "bringing an application to the front", so you'd probably have to move 
> each window forward by itself.

Unfortunately, activate doesn't seem to work for apps called through 
the command line. In fact, clicking on their windows doesn't bring them 
to the front either. I asked on an OS X list if this were correctable, 
but haven't had a successful response yet.

regards,

Geoff Canyon
gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com


From xbury.cs at clearstream.com  Thu Dec 16 03:36:03 2004
From: xbury.cs at clearstream.com (xbury.cs at clearstream.com)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 09:36:03 +0100
Subject: crashing Rev - bugz 1642
Message-ID: <OF624361D3.ED734586-ONC1256F6C.002F1054-C1256F6C.002F3EC7@deutsche-boerse.de>

Thanks again Chipp!

If you come near benelux, lunch is on me at one of my favorite 
restaurants!
---------------------=---------------------
Xavier Bury
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Fax: +352 4656 493 6465




Chipp Walters <chipp at chipp.com>
Sent by: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
16.12.2004 09:05
Please respond to chipp; Please respond to How to use Revolution

 
        To:     x at monsieurx.com, How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
        cc:     (bcc: Xavier Bury/CLEARSTREAM/GDB)
        Subject:        Re: crashing Rev - bugz 1642

.

Hi X,

I, too have seen this. Here's how I fixed it.
After you close your stack type into msg:

set the breakpoints to empty

and see if it still crashes rev.

best,

Chipp

MisterX wrote:
> I have now 2 stacks which when closed, will crash runrev with a single 
click
> in the revmenubar. 

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From chipp at chipp.com  Thu Dec 16 03:56:13 2004
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 00:56:13 -0800
Subject: URL download and Cache problems
In-Reply-To: <E00568C9-4F3C-11D9-9C50-000A9569F8B0@lacscentre.co.uk>
References: <FA567874-4EDA-11D9-B818-000393C10758@all-auctions.com>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20041215181643.02dee120@mail.tweedly.net>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20041215174234.02d3bf18@mail.tweedly.net>
	<BDE5B968.25F14%benr_mc@cogapp.com> <BDE5B968.25F14%benr_mc@cogapp.com>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20041215174234.02d3bf18@mail.tweedly.net>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20041215181643.02dee120@mail.tweedly.net>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20041215185722.02ded3f0@mail.tweedly.net>
	<FA567874-4EDA-11D9-B818-000393C10758@all-auctions.com>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20041215231423.02daba58@mail.tweedly.net>
	<E00568C9-4F3C-11D9-9C50-000A9569F8B0@lacscentre.co.uk>
Message-ID: <41C14DAD.9080504@chipp.com>

Dave Cragg wrote:

> Richard's thought may stem from a similar experience to mine. 
> Previously, "load" was often preferred because it was the only way to 
> show  progress of the download, and not because there was a need to do 
> other processing. In my own apps, I almost always need to pause other 
> things until a download completes. (e.g. a learner chooses a lesson to 
> open, and can't work on it until it has downloaded) "load" wasn't ideal 
> for this. But "load" was often recommended over "get" because of this 
> ability to show progress. With the libUrlStatusCallback option, I now 
> rarely need to use load. It's much simpler to use get.
> 

I love libUrlStatusCallback! It also works great with POST and ftp 
uploads/downloads.

> 
> Caveat:  when using "get", there's no obvious way to abort a download 
> before it completes. This should probably go on the to-do list.

In my apps, I issue 'resetAll' which stops the download. Dave, you once 
mentioned a command something like libURLResetAll? I think it does the 
same thing.

Then I need to reinitialize my libUrlStatusCallback. This can present 
problems when calling from the IDE as it kills all socket activity for 
the engine everywhere, so best be careful.

-Chipp

From douez at wanadoo.fr  Thu Dec 16 05:18:12 2004
From: douez at wanadoo.fr (thierry)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 11:18:12 +0100
Subject: Windows Dos window doesn't work?
In-Reply-To: <55FBEF8E-4F0B-11D9-BB4F-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
References: <3d8af415041215141826868355@mail.gmail.com>
 <3d8af415041215141826868355@mail.gmail.com>
 <5.1.0.14.0.20041216014003.02d6fea8@mail.tweedly.net>
 <55FBEF8E-4F0B-11D9-BB4F-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <209091234.20041216111812@wanadoo.fr>

Hi,


Just Let You Know,

i'v been working a lot with open process in Rev, and without
a Tutorial first approach, struggled a bit.

But after a while, everything works fine for me. As i did a lot of
tries and learnt a lot of Rev at the same time, do not remember very
well all my struggles..

today, this is a "Industry Product" which uses the open process, reads
few information at the start, and a report at the end. In between,
the 2 processes ( Rev and Perl ) communicate via Sockets.

This works on Win98, NT systems and with Rev Express 2.1.

But, this thread scarres me a bit :-(  So, i'm probably going to
do some more severe testing aound this.....

Bonne journee a tous !

Best regards, thierry



From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Thu Dec 16 06:19:25 2004
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 11:19:25 +0000
Subject: The Programmer As Wordsmith
In-Reply-To: <12039142493.20041215211857@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <BDE71FBD.2605B%benr_mc@cogapp.com>

Mark Wieder wrote:
> Interesting article on designing text in user interfaces to be used by
> real people instead of programmers. Watch the wordwrap here - if it
> can't be pieced back together, go to www.embedded.com and find the
> article entitled "The Programmer As Wordsmith".
> 
> http://www.embedded.com/showArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=UIAIHHO3P0PECQSNDBCSKH0CJ
> UMEKJVN?articleID=53700319

Good article.  I recognised many of the crimes (including some I've
committed...).  Also makes me salute Jeanne again!
 
  Ben Rubinstein               |  Email: benr_mc at cogapp.com
  Cognitive Applications Ltd   |  Phone: +44 (0)1273-821600
  http://www.cogapp.com        |  Fax  : +44 (0)1273-728866




From alex at tweedly.net  Thu Dec 16 06:25:08 2004
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 11:25:08 +0000
Subject: URL download and Cache problems
In-Reply-To: <E00568C9-4F3C-11D9-9C50-000A9569F8B0@lacscentre.co.uk>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20041215231423.02daba58@mail.tweedly.net>
 <FA567874-4EDA-11D9-B818-000393C10758@all-auctions.com>
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At 08:31 16/12/2004 +0000, Dave Cragg wrote:

>On 15 Dec 2004, at 23:33, Alex Tweedly wrote:
>>
>>3 if you count libURLDownloadToFile  (though it's for ftp only)
>
>This works with http too. (Perhaps you were thinkig of libUrlFtpUploadFile.)

No, I was thinking of libURLDownloadToFile, and believing what I read in 
the docs :-)

First line of  libURLDownloadToFile entry says
>Downloads a file from an Internet server asynchronously via FTP.

Funny thing is, looking back at a couple of my stacks, I've used it to 
download via HTTP - but forgot that while writing that email.

BZ entry coming soon ....
-- Alex.

From alex at tweedly.net  Thu Dec 16 06:24:57 2004
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 11:24:57 +0000
Subject: [ANN} libEXIF v0.9
In-Reply-To: <FE6371E9-4EE2-11D9-9486-000A959D0AC6@hindu.org>
References: <2EB95ED5-4ECB-11D9-BA8E-000A95C61E96@easynet.fr>
 <5.1.0.14.0.20041215141022.02a5ec60@pop3.btinternet.com>
 <2EB95ED5-4ECB-11D9-BA8E-000A95C61E96@easynet.fr>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20041216014843.02da81d8@mail.tweedly.net>

At 11:48 15/12/2004 -1000, Sivakatirswami wrote:

>Aloha, from Hawaii, Alex:
>
>OK "ideas" here goes:
>
>I deal with digital images virtually *every* day of my life.. so this is 
>very interesting news.
>
>Do you know if the catalog information that is applied to images in 
>Photoshop CS is stored as EXIF metadata?

Yes, I believe it is. I don't have Photoshop CS, so I tested using 
Photoshop Elements - but I'd be surprised if they were very different.

It stores things like (as output by my Test button)

Image ,ImageDescription,This is the actual caption,ASCII,182
Image ,Software,Adobe Photoshop Elements 2.0,ASCII,261
Image ,DateTime,2004:12:16 00:53:32,ASCII,290
      [ Note - it changed but left the DateTimeOriginal unchanged]
Image ,Artist,Alex Tweedly,ASCII,310
Image ,Copyright,(c) Eleane,ASCII,323
EXIF ,DateTimeOriginal,2004:10:18 09:50:39,ASCII,770

>An application we would be very interested in (and I think could be a 
>commercially viable product in the "real" world) would go like this: in a 
>real world scenario:
>
>Our photographer in Nepal (Thomas Kelly, as somewhat famous photographer 
>who also does assignments in Nepal and India for Hinduism Today") goes on 
>a photo shoot of some particular event. Like most photographers, he will 
>take even up to 500 shots in a 3 day period.... But for the article that 
>will use them in the next issue of the
>magazine, we only need perhaps 8 of them.

Does he really individually catalog all 500 of them ?
Or is there some batch process in PSCS to apply the same File Info to all 
of them ?  (PS Elements has some batch process methods, but I don't see one 
to apply "File / File info"

>Enter Revolution: We make a stand alone application for Thomas.. He works 
>in Photoshop... enters his captions, then we have Revolution 
>stack  "reads" all the photos into an external substack which creates 
>lo-resolution 2 X 3 inch thumbnails., but the metadata from the photoshop 
>info (which I hope is EXIF) is read into a field below the photo... he 
>clicks a button, the substack is saved, compressed and sent FTP to us 
>here... our editors review all the images, and the can read the captions, 
>the respond to him saying "We want these 8 shots"  then opens his 
>revolution stack and clicks on a list of chosing those 8 images, these are 
>in turn compressed and sent to use by FTP.. but the EXIF data somehow 
>accomanies them. When the photos actually go into InDesign... the editor 
>can pull out the EXIF data for the captions.

I hate to talk myself out of an app to write - but you can do almost all of 
that in PS already.

Add the FIle / File Info.
Use Batch Process to resize them all (to say 200 pixels width, low res) - 
this retains the Exif data from the captioning.
FTP the directory  to the editor

editor looks at the thumbnails - Exif data is available in PS
selects the filename of the ones he wants full-size copies of

FTP the full size images of the selected photos
Exif data is still in these full-size jpg files.

No need for any new manipulations of Exif data; you could have a small Rev 
app to display thumbnails and Exif data.

>right now I have a small application working for remote photographers, but 
>the caption info is external to the image... when they ship to us here... 
>(usually by email) I get
>
>01someImage.jpg
>01SomeImage.txt  # this being the caption
>
>But, there are challenges with this system.. what if someone renames the 
>image later ..etc.  files get separated... in some contexts i don't want 
>any text files in the working directory...etc. It would be much better if 
>there was a way to for the photographer to "insert" this metadata into the 
>photo file itself, so that it could piggyback along with the files as a 
>single entity.

Look into the "File / File info" command in PS - allows you to set Title, 
Author, Copyright status and copyright string, and Caption (unlimited 
length text string).

>We work with lots of photographers, both high end and lo end... and I 
>don't see any of them with these kinds of functional tools. There could be 
>a niche market for some application along these lines.

-- Alex.

From eric.chatonet at wanadoo.fr  Thu Dec 16 05:48:34 2004
From: eric.chatonet at wanadoo.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=C9ric_Chatonet?=)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 11:48:34 +0100
Subject: Disabled submenu items on Win XP
Message-ID: <0887B118-4F50-11D9-BCE2-0003930A9F94@wanadoo.fr>

Hi all,

Some weeks ago, I asked for a question about disabled menu items but I 
probably was not clear enough and I got no answer.
So:
Imagine a menu with submenus.
For somes reasons depending on the context, the first item in a submenu 
has to be disabled but the following ones in the submenu are enabled.
On Mac OS, there is no problem: so long you are in the menu area, 
flying over enabled or disabled menu items makes no difference and the 
menu stays.
On Windows, if the first submenu item is disabled, you cant catch the 
following enabled submenu items: the menu vanishes :-(
Is that correct behavior according to some guide lines I dont know on 
Windows or is it a kind (...) of bug ?
Any clue would be appreciated,
Thanks,

Amicalement,

?ric Chatonet
24, Boulevard de Port-Royal
75005 Paris

Fixe :		33 1 43 31 77 62
Mobile :		33 6 20 74 50 89

From dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Thu Dec 16 06:41:14 2004
From: dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 11:41:14 +0000
Subject: URL download and Cache problems
In-Reply-To: <41C14DAD.9080504@chipp.com>
References: <FA567874-4EDA-11D9-B818-000393C10758@all-auctions.com>
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On 16 Dec 2004, at 08:56, Chipp Walters wrote:

> Dave Cragg wrote:
>
>> Richard's thought may stem from a similar experience to mine. 
>> Previously, "load" was often preferred because it was the only way to 
>> show  progress of the download, and not because there was a need to 
>> do other processing. In my own apps, I almost always need to pause 
>> other things until a download completes. (e.g. a learner chooses a 
>> lesson to open, and can't work on it until it has downloaded) "load" 
>> wasn't ideal for this. But "load" was often recommended over "get" 
>> because of this ability to show progress. With the 
>> libUrlStatusCallback option, I now rarely need to use load. It's much 
>> simpler to use get.
>
> I love libUrlStatusCallback! It also works great with POST and ftp 
> uploads/downloads.
>
>> Caveat:  when using "get", there's no obvious way to abort a download 
>> before it completes. This should probably go on the to-do list.
>
> In my apps, I issue 'resetAll' which stops the download. Dave, you 
> once mentioned a command something like libURLResetAll? I think it 
> does the same thing.

Then it's detention for you, Chipp. :-)

All "resetAll" does is call libUrlResetAll. liburlResetAll is the 
"preferred and official" command. (Because there's a high chance 
someone has a library or stack script with a resetAll handler which 
does something completely unrelated, but more understandable such as 
resetting a set of preferences to their defaults.)

> Then I need to reinitialize my libUrlStatusCallback. This can present 
> problems when calling from the IDE as it kills all socket activity for 
> the engine everywhere, so best be careful.

Be very careful! libUrlResetAll is a particularly brutal way to stop a 
download. I don't recommend it to anyone. For me, it's just a 
development tool and never include it in a distributed stack. But if 
anyone feels the need to include it in an app, be sure that 
libUrlResetAll is the last libUrl call in the handler where it appears.

But until I add an official way to cancel a "get" download, here's a 
little tidbit. You can cancel a download by using this command:

   ulCancelRequest <url>

This is an internal handler used by libUrl during the "unload url" 
procedure. This handler alone should happily stop a "get" request too.

WARNING:  If you use this in a stack, be prepared to change it when a 
future libUrl release adds an official interface.

Cheers
Dave


From alanira9 at mac.com  Thu Dec 16 07:02:26 2004
From: alanira9 at mac.com (Alan Gayne)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 07:02:26 -0500
Subject: Quartam Reports
Message-ID: <5A6A5886-4F5A-11D9-B94B-000393BB44C6@mac.com>

Hi Everybody,

This one's directed primarily to Jan Schenkel.

Can you advise when rank-and-file Revolutionaries like myself will have 
a chance to actually get to see and play with the fabled Quartam 
Reports?

 From the brief description given after Malta, it sound like something 
I've been hoping a long time to see.

Kind regards,
Alan Gayne


From douez at wanadoo.fr  Thu Dec 16 07:19:47 2004
From: douez at wanadoo.fr (thierry)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 13:19:47 +0100
Subject: Disabled submenu items on Win XP
In-Reply-To: <0887B118-4F50-11D9-BCE2-0003930A9F94@wanadoo.fr>
References: <0887B118-4F50-11D9-BCE2-0003930A9F94@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <946691640.20041216131947@wanadoo.fr>

Bonjour Eric,

just as an example, look in revolution menu,
The Text Menu.
if you don't select any text, everything is disabled, from all
the items of the menu to all the sub-items ( like the Fonts )...
This is normal behavior on Windows, well at least on my computer :-)

or do I miss something more subtle ?

HTH, thierry

?C> For somes reasons depending on the context, the first item in a submenu 
?C> has to be disabled but the following ones in the submenu are enabled.
?C> On Mac OS, there is no problem: so long you are in the menu area, 
?C> flying over enabled or disabled menu items makes no difference and the 
?C> menu stays.
?C> On Windows, if the first submenu item is disabled, you cant catch the 
?C> following enabled submenu items: the menu vanishes :-(
?C> Is that correct behavior according to some guide lines I dont know on 
?C> Windows or is it a kind (...) of bug ?




From sbonham at georgiasouthern.edu  Thu Dec 16 08:36:03 2004
From: sbonham at georgiasouthern.edu (Steve Bonham)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 08:36:03 -0500
Subject: Digital Audio File/Quicktime Help
In-Reply-To: <13c.8aca361.2ef212a1@aol.com>
References: <13c.8aca361.2ef212a1@aol.com>
Message-ID: <a05210602bde73dd05fbc@[141.165.213.123]>

Hey Fred,

I think I can help- No problem on cutting a chunk from a larger file. 
There are several ways to do so. I use QuickTime Pro and iMovie for 
this, but there are lots of software options. iMovie will allow you 
to fade the audio up and/or down so the start and stop are not so 
abrupt.

On the other question--creating jump links inside QuickTime. I 
haven't done this in a while but I used to use a tool called 
Electrifer to accomplish just what you are describing. In effect the 
"buttons" are additional image tracks that sit in a layer "atop" the 
main video track. Each of these images can be hot-linked to a time 
interval (min:sec:frames).

Tell me more?

Steve


>Is there anyone out there who knows the insides of digital audio files? I am
>writing an application where it would be helpful to be able to manipulate
>these files. For example, I'd like to create a new sound file that consists of
>just a portion of a larger sound   file. I have no idea if it is 
>even possible to
>dig inside a sound file without messing it up.
>
>I would also like to find someone who knows the insides of Quicktime. I am
>needing to use Quicktime in some slightly unorthodox ways. For example, I need
>to allow the user to click a mouse to play a portion of a Quicktime file with
>no time lag -- in other words as soon as the user clicks the mouse, the music
>plays.
>
>Thanks
>
>Fred Moyer
>_______________________________________________
>use-revolution mailing list
>use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution


-- 


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Steve Bonham
Director, Faculty Technology Development Laboratory
Center for Excellence in Teaching - Georgia Southern University
Statesboro, GA 30460-8143
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From fde101 at fjrhome.net  Thu Dec 16 10:34:40 2004
From: fde101 at fjrhome.net (Frank D. Engel, Jr.)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 10:34:40 -0500
Subject: New Revolution Game
In-Reply-To: <20041216031856.19196.qmail@web53010.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20041216031856.19196.qmail@web53010.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <0068A910-4F78-11D9-8D46-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>


On Dec 15, 2004, at 10:18 PM, James Russell wrote:

>> Yep, I'm seeing this too.
>>
>> On Dec 15, 2004, at 2:43 PM, Thomas McGrath III
>> wrote:
>>
>>> When I lost in the arena while my guys were
>> working out they did not
>>> die. They were still working out but could not do
>> anything else. They
>>> were like ghosts.
>
> Almost ghosts, they are just lacking extra graphics.
> Basically you require a graveyard to store the dead
> bodies, otherwise they take up space when they die.
>
>>>
>>> On Dec 15, 2004, at 2:17 PM, Frank D. Engel, Jr.
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> An OS X version would be quite nice, yes...
>>>>
>>>> OS 9 wouldn't hurt either, but if you are
>> cross-developing from
>>>> Windows you won't be able to build for OS 9.
>> Should still be able to
>>>> build an OS X version, though...
>
> I have an old powerpc lying around and have been
> meaning to set it up I shall try to do that before
> x-mas. I did a OS X build, but since I have never
> touched OS X Im unsure as to how successful it will
> be. There is two differnt builds for OS X, hopefully
> one of them will work. If neither work, Im up for some
> pointers :)

Version 1 works (and looks) fine.  Nice and smooth.

If you want a custom icon and don't have tools for OS X icon creation, 
just put together a 128x128 image for it.  I have Iconographer here and 
can get the OS X, Windows, and OS 9 icons for you rather quickly.  Yes, 
OS X can use 128x128 icons.  They're quite large.  (You can actually 
"zoom in" on the Finder windows and the desktop, not to mention the 
dock...)

>
> Jeremy
> jeremy at taggedsoftware.com
>
>
> __________________________________________________
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>
-----------------------------------------------------------
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$ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
$ true | cat /usr/manual | grep "John 3:16"
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten 
Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have 
everlasting life.
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From jamesjrichards at lineone.net  Thu Dec 16 11:45:38 2004
From: jamesjrichards at lineone.net (James Richards)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 16:45:38 +0000
Subject: Word keyword
In-Reply-To: <20041216083152.CDC739301DE@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20041216083152.CDC739301DE@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <EA25F18C-4F81-11D9-803D-0050E400C679@lineone.net>

The other reason, I think, why it is sometimes called a hard space is 
because in WP where you fully justify text (to both right and left 
margins) a 'hard' or non-breaking' space will not be 'stretched' or 
'squeezed' the way ordinary spaces are to achieve the justification. In 
that sense it is hard rather than flexible.

Regards

James
--
James J Richards

jamesjrichards at lineone.net

Tel. +44 (0)15394 43063
On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 21:37:22 -0500, Gregory Lypny wrote:

> Yes I was referring to a non-breaking space.  Sorry for the
> terminology.  In my mind, the word hard made sense given its (the
> space's) inflexibility.
>
> 	Greg
>
> On Dec 15, 2004, at 6:06 PM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com
> wrote:
>
>> --- Gregory Lypny
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Dar, Jacqueline, and Richard for your
>>> suggestions.  I was able
>>> to fix it in the meantime by getting the
>>> rftText and replacing the hard
>>> spaces with regular spaces.
>>
>> "what is a "hard space"?
>>
>> thanks,
>>
>> Erik Hansen

From alex at tweedly.net  Thu Dec 16 12:27:38 2004
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 17:27:38 +0000
Subject: Digital Photo workflow in Photoshop [was Re: [ANN} libEXIF
  v0.9]
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20041216014843.02da81d8@mail.tweedly.net>
References: <FE6371E9-4EE2-11D9-9486-000A959D0AC6@hindu.org>
 <2EB95ED5-4ECB-11D9-BA8E-000A95C61E96@easynet.fr>
 <5.1.0.14.0.20041215141022.02a5ec60@pop3.btinternet.com>
 <2EB95ED5-4ECB-11D9-BA8E-000A95C61E96@easynet.fr>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20041216172148.02d87ce8@mail.tweedly.net>

At 11:24 16/12/2004 +0000, Alex Tweedly wrote:
>At 11:48 15/12/2004 -1000, Sivakatirswami wrote:
>
>>Do you know if the catalog information that is applied to images in 
>>Photoshop CS is stored as EXIF metadata?
>
>Yes, I believe it is. I don't have Photoshop CS, so I tested using 
>Photoshop Elements - but I'd be surprised if they were very different.

Oh how naive of me !!

It turns out that Photoshop CS uses Adobe's new format XMP instead of (or 
as well as) Exif. Whether it's "instead of" or "as well as" depends on 
which version of PS CS, which source the photo came from, ... and which web 
page you believe :-)

However, that shouldn't affect the summary of what I said - that Photoshop 
etc. already support what you need for the kind of workflow you 
described.  InDesign also supports XMP, and eventually all Adobe products 
will support it (many of them already do, though PS Elements doesn't appear 
to yet).

See
http://www.adobe.com/products/xmp/main.html
http://www.adobe.com/products/xmp/pdfs/XMP_for_CreativePros2004.pdf
for more details.

-- Alex.

From dsc at swcp.com  Thu Dec 16 15:18:58 2004
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 13:18:58 -0700
Subject: Windows Dos window doesn't work?
In-Reply-To: <209091234.20041216111812@wanadoo.fr>
References: <3d8af415041215141826868355@mail.gmail.com>
	<3d8af415041215141826868355@mail.gmail.com>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20041216014003.02d6fea8@mail.tweedly.net>
	<55FBEF8E-4F0B-11D9-BB4F-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
	<209091234.20041216111812@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <B7E12C48-4F9F-11D9-A5F2-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>


On Dec 16, 2004, at 3:18 AM, thierry wrote:

> today, this is a "Industry Product" which uses the open process, reads
> few information at the start, and a report at the end. In between,
> the 2 processes ( Rev and Perl ) communicate via Sockets.

Socket communication is a good idea.
>
> This works on Win98, NT systems and with Rev Express 2.1.

You might have found a scheme that works but might not with small 
changes, or some things do not work as well as they should and you 
don't know, or things have been fixed, or Dar was up too late 30 months 
ago.

Dar Scott

****************************************
     DSC
     http://www.swcp.com/dsc/
     Programming Services and Software
****************************************


From jsilver at qualcomm.com  Thu Dec 16 15:32:50 2004
From: jsilver at qualcomm.com (Silver, Jason)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 12:32:50 -0800
Subject: Improper code or a bug in Revolution?
Message-ID: <DBBE1BA213DF1C49AD714CD5806122083C2B94@NAEX02.na.qualcomm.com>

Hello all,

Several weeks ago I posted to the use-revolution list to ask for advice
on making transparent buttons, used in a handset simulation.  I'd like
to thank all of you who replied to my posting; the Revolution developer
community is a very friendly and helpful place!

Now, onto my question.  I seem to have hit a roadblock with the
simulation, and unfortunately I cannot open my sim stack without
crashing Revolution.  I had two snippets of code in the sim, but I'm
fairly sure they wouldn't have caused problems.  The first bit was in my
main stack "Handset simulation", used to find out how many cards I had
in a sub-stack, named "Contacts" (this would be the database for the
address book application):

on OpenStack
  global numberOfAddressBookEntries
  get the number of cards of the stack "Contacts"
  put it into numberOfAddressBookEntries
  --Testing statement:
  answer "The number of address cards is " & numberOfAddressBookEntries
end OpenStack

The other bit of code was with my transparent buttons.  They were in a
group called "Keypad", and I was trying to script the group instead of
each individual button:

on mouseUp
  -- copy the label of the button clicked on into the buttonPressed
variable
  put the label of the target into buttonPressed
  -- Testing statement:  
  answer buttonPressed & " has been pressed!"
end mouseUp

Everything seemed to work fine, but I think a problem occurred after
installing Devolution.  I fooled around with the "Explicit variables"
option, which led to this disaster.  I uninstalled everything,
reinstalled Revolution (still on trial, waiting for the company to
purchase a license), and now I get these errors:

http://img91.exs.cx/img91/7342/reverror27qo.png
http://img11.exs.cx/img11/145/reverror14qp.png

It looks like something is messing with the license.rev file.  Two
interesting things to notice:  
- In the Application Browser window, my "Handset Simulation" stack
doesn't even show up.
- The error dialog that appears changes, and I have no idea why.
If explicitVariables was even set to "true", I haven't figured out any
way to get into the stack to edit the script.  I find it hard to believe
that a badly written stack can bring down the entire IDE.  Is my stack
hosed?  Where do I go from here?

Thank you for your help.

Sincerely,
Jason Silver

Human Factors Engineer, Sr.
jsilver at qualcomm DOT com 

From userev at canelasoftware.com  Thu Dec 16 16:12:48 2004
From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 13:12:48 -0800
Subject: Improper code or a bug in Revolution?
In-Reply-To: <DBBE1BA213DF1C49AD714CD5806122083C2B94@NAEX02.na.qualcomm.com>
References: <DBBE1BA213DF1C49AD714CD5806122083C2B94@NAEX02.na.qualcomm.com>
Message-ID: <3D24CB4C-4FA7-11D9-B201-000D93373366@canelasoftware.com>


On Dec 16, 2004, at 12:32 PM, Silver, Jason wrote:

> If explicitVariables was even set to "true", I haven't figured out any
> way to get into the stack to edit the script.  I find it hard to 
> believe
> that a badly written stack can bring down the entire IDE.  Is my stack
> hosed?  Where do I go from here?

Hello Jason,

Try opening up Rev.  Then click on the messages button in the toolbar.  
This will prevent messages from passing.  Then try opening up your 
stack.  This should get you back into business.

-- 
Best regards,
Mark Talluto
http://www.canelasoftware.com


From revolution at jaedworks.com  Thu Dec 16 17:07:52 2004
From: revolution at jaedworks.com (Jeanne A. E. DeVoto)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 14:07:52 -0800
Subject: Card within a card (or subforms)
In-Reply-To: <B5154B65-4EE9-11D9-BB4F-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
References: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A9469E27@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
 <B5154B65-4EE9-11D9-BB4F-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <p06200700bde7b7680fd8@[66.93.39.98]>

At 3:36 PM -0700 12/15/2004, Dar Scott wrote:
>It might be fun to dream about asking for a control which is a view 
>into a stack.

I remember chatting about this at some point, but I don't know 
whether it's in Bugzilla.

One possible use (other than for a subform) would be to create 
splittable panes in a window.
-- 
jeanne a. e. devoto ~ revolution at jaedworks.com
http://www.jaedworks.com

From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Dec 16 17:10:40 2004
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 14:10:40 -0800
Subject: Card within a card (or subforms)
In-Reply-To: <B5154B65-4EE9-11D9-BB4F-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
References: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A9469E27@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
	<B5154B65-4EE9-11D9-BB4F-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <41C207E0.6000702@fourthworld.com>

Dar Scott wrote:
> Frank's idea of a background on several cards is the good base-line 
> solution.  It requires that all instances of that subform be in the same 
> position and only in that form.
> 
> Jonathan's approach gives more flexibility in multiple subforms in the 
> same form.  It might run into problems when windows are dragged, causing 
> a subform to chase after a form.  It might be best for kiosks and 
> similar applications.
> 
> Another approach is to use several groups of which only one is visible.
> 
> Another is to update data based on a control.
> 
> You can mix and match these.
> 
> It might be fun to dream about asking for a control which is a view into 
> a stack.

Hmmm.... I had thought there was a request in Bugzilla for viewers
(that's what RADBuilder calls 'em)

To myself, groups feel like the most natural second choice in a world
without viewer objects.  The tough part is managing the showing/hiding
of them.

Perhaps if some kind soul had a spare 20 hours they could build a tool
to make editing nested groups easier.

With a frontscript you could have a libSubCard trap the mouseDoubleUp
message to open a custom editor when groups have a property that
identifies it as being a "SubCardGroup".

The SubCard editor could copy all the subgroups to new cards in an
editing windows, and when you save it tucks them all back into the
master group.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  __________________________________________________
  Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev


From dsc at swcp.com  Thu Dec 16 17:27:51 2004
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 15:27:51 -0700
Subject: Card within a card (or subforms)
In-Reply-To: <41C207E0.6000702@fourthworld.com>
References: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A9469E27@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
	<B5154B65-4EE9-11D9-BB4F-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
	<41C207E0.6000702@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <B8EE3274-4FB1-11D9-A5F2-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>


On Dec 16, 2004, at 3:10 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> To myself, groups feel like the most natural second choice in a world
> without viewer objects.  The tough part is managing the showing/hiding
> of them.
>
> Perhaps if some kind soul had a spare 20 hours they could build a tool
> to make editing nested groups easier.
>
> With a frontscript you could have a libSubCard trap the mouseDoubleUp
> message to open a custom editor when groups have a property that
> identifies it as being a "SubCardGroup".
>
> The SubCard editor could copy all the subgroups to new cards in an
> editing windows, and when you save it tucks them all back into the
> master group.

An alternate approach might be something that translates a stack into a 
bunch of subgroups of a group.

Dar
****************************************
     DSC (Dar Scott Consulting)
     http://www.swcp.com/dsc/
     Programming Services and Software
****************************************


From drothe at optusnet.com.au  Thu Dec 16 17:54:03 2004
From: drothe at optusnet.com.au (D.Rothe)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 22:54:03 -0000
Subject: Newbie: find, search command
Message-ID: <000e01c4cc2f$c764fcb0$2cf5a4cb@p4c2ghz>

Hi,
I have a tab delimited list I want to be able to search, say I have a list of names for example;

Father Xmas    Is Drunk
New Years    Is after Xmas
Rudolph    The Reindeer
Merry Xmas    To all

I want to search for ALL instances of Xmas and display the whole matching line of each found in a list field.
So far I can get it to display the first line only ( Father Xmas    Is Drunk) ! 
Any help would appreciated!!! I have checked the tutorials for help but couldn't find what I was looking for,
is there an example stack or notes anyone may know of?

Thanks D.Rothe


 

From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Dec 16 18:05:37 2004
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 15:05:37 -0800
Subject: Card within a card (or subforms)
In-Reply-To: <B8EE3274-4FB1-11D9-A5F2-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
References: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A9469E27@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
	<B5154B65-4EE9-11D9-BB4F-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
	<41C207E0.6000702@fourthworld.com>
	<B8EE3274-4FB1-11D9-A5F2-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <41C214C1.3000108@fourthworld.com>

Dar Scott wrote:
> 
> On Dec 16, 2004, at 3:10 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> 
>> To myself, groups feel like the most natural second choice in a world
>> without viewer objects.  The tough part is managing the showing/hiding
>> of them.
>>
>> Perhaps if some kind soul had a spare 20 hours they could build a tool
>> to make editing nested groups easier.
>>
>> With a frontscript you could have a libSubCard trap the mouseDoubleUp
>> message to open a custom editor when groups have a property that
>> identifies it as being a "SubCardGroup".
>>
>> The SubCard editor could copy all the subgroups to new cards in an
>> editing windows, and when you save it tucks them all back into the
>> master group.
> 
> 
> An alternate approach might be something that translates a stack into a 
> bunch of subgroups of a group.

Precisely.  It would ideally work in both directions.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  __________________________________________________
  Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev

From eric.chatonet at wanadoo.fr  Thu Dec 16 16:15:55 2004
From: eric.chatonet at wanadoo.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=C9ric_Chatonet?=)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 22:15:55 +0100
Subject: Disabled submenu items on Win XP
In-Reply-To: <20041216170130.7CF52930211@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20041216170130.7CF52930211@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <AC21FA04-4FA7-11D9-BCE2-0003930A9F94@wanadoo.fr>


Le 16 d?c. 04, ? 18:01, <douez at wanadoo.fr> a ?crit :

> Bonjour Eric,
>
> just as an example, look in revolution menu,
> The Text Menu.
> if you don't select any text, everything is disabled, from all
> the items of the menu to all the sub-items ( like the Fonts )...
> This is normal behavior on Windows, well at least on my computer :-)
>
> or do I miss something more subtle ?

May be ;-)
I am talking about an ENABLED menu item which has a submenu.
In this submenu, the first submenu item is disabled and all followings 
submenu items are enabled:
But you cant catch any one of these enabled submenu items on Win32 
because the whole menu just vanishes when the mouse is flying over the 
first disabled submenu item:

enabled menu item 1
enabled menu item 2
	DISABLED submenu item 21
	enabled submenu item 22
	enabled submenu item 23
enabled menu item 3
etc.

With Rev Win32, you are not able to select submenu item 22 or 23 :-(
On Mac OS X, no problem :-)
Any idea?

> HTH, thierry
>
> ?C> For somes reasons depending on the context, the first item in a 
> submenu
> ?C> has to be disabled but the following ones in the submenu are 
> enabled.
> ?C> On Mac OS, there is no problem: so long you are in the menu area,
> ?C> flying over enabled or disabled menu items makes no difference and 
> the
> ?C> menu stays.
> ?C> On Windows, if the first submenu item is disabled, you cant catch 
> the
> ?C> following enabled submenu items: the menu vanishes :-(
> ?C> Is that correct behavior according to some guide lines I dont know 
> on
> ?C> Windows or is it a kind (...) of bug ?
>

?ric Chatonet
24, Boulevard de Port-Royal
75005 Paris

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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Dec 16 18:32:02 2004
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 15:32:02 -0800
Subject: Newbie: find, search command
In-Reply-To: <000e01c4cc2f$c764fcb0$2cf5a4cb@p4c2ghz>
References: <000e01c4cc2f$c764fcb0$2cf5a4cb@p4c2ghz>
Message-ID: <41C21AF2.4000509@fourthworld.com>

D.Rothe wrote:
> Hi,
> I have a tab delimited list I want to be able to search, say I have a list of names for example;
> 
> Father Xmas    Is Drunk
> New Years    Is after Xmas
> Rudolph    The Reindeer
> Merry Xmas    To all
> 
> I want to search for ALL instances of Xmas and display the whole matching line of each found in a list field.
> So far I can get it to display the first line only ( Father Xmas    Is Drunk) ! 
> Any help would appreciated!!! I have checked the tutorials for help but couldn't find what I was looking for,
> is there an example stack or notes anyone may know of?

For short lists (<50,000 lines) you may be pleasantly surprised by the 
speed of what might look like clunkly Transcript:


function FindData pStringToFind, pDataToSearch
   repeat for each line tLine in pDataToSearch
      if pStringToFind is in tLine then put tLine &cr after tFoundData
   end repeat
   return tFoundData
end FindData


You can call it simply enough:

on mouseUp
   put FindData("Xmas", fld "stuff")
end mouseUp


--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  __________________________________________________
  Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev

From sarahr at genesearch.com.au  Thu Dec 16 18:52:57 2004
From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 09:52:57 +1000
Subject: Newbie: find, search command
In-Reply-To: <000e01c4cc2f$c764fcb0$2cf5a4cb@p4c2ghz>
References: <000e01c4cc2f$c764fcb0$2cf5a4cb@p4c2ghz>
Message-ID: <9C96239C-4FBD-11D9-8AD4-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au>

> I have a tab delimited list I want to be able to search, say I have a 
> list of names for example;
>
> Father Xmas    Is Drunk
> New Years    Is after Xmas
> Rudolph    The Reindeer
> Merry Xmas    To all
>
> I want to search for ALL instances of Xmas and display the whole 
> matching line of each found in a list field.
> So far I can get it to display the first line only ( Father Xmas    Is 
> Drunk) !
> Any help would appreciated!!! I have checked the tutorials for help 
> but couldn't find what I was looking for,
> is there an example stack or notes anyone may know of?
>
The filter command is the fastest method, but be careful as it is a 
destructive search i.e. it deletes the liens that don't match, so copy 
your original data into a variable, filter that and keep the original 
intact.

e.g.
put field "Data" into tList
filter tList with "*Xmas*"
put tList into fld "Finds"

Using the * before & after the search word allow the lines to have 
characters before and after the word. If you filtered with "Xmas*", you 
would only get lines that started with Xmas.

Cheers,
Sarah


From dsc at swcp.com  Thu Dec 16 19:01:44 2004
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 17:01:44 -0700
Subject: Card within a card (or subforms)
In-Reply-To: <41C214C1.3000108@fourthworld.com>
References: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A9469E27@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
	<B5154B65-4EE9-11D9-BB4F-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
	<41C207E0.6000702@fourthworld.com>
	<B8EE3274-4FB1-11D9-A5F2-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
	<41C214C1.3000108@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <D6404659-4FBE-11D9-A5F2-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>


On Dec 16, 2004, at 4:05 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

>> An alternate approach might be something that translates a stack into 
>> a bunch of subgroups of a group.
>
> Precisely.  It would ideally work in both directions.

It might be, if there are many rough edges and gotchas, that this would 
have to be considered a tool that does 95% of the work during design 
time and the designer must clean up the rest.  The building the stack 
might be considered an easy way to spec the fancy group.

An alternate approach I have pondered is a control that puts a picture 
of some card of the stack in an image an collects events to the image 
and distributes them to the stack.  The stack might be open, but 
invisible.  Maybe the work in repeatedly taking pictures is too heavy 
and if you take pictures only after events, then moving and pulsating 
gets lost.

Dar Scott

****************************************
     DSC (Dar Scott Consulting)
     http://www.swcp.com/dsc/
     Programming Services and Software
****************************************


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Dec 16 19:03:09 2004
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 18:03:09 -0600
Subject: Newbie: find, search command
In-Reply-To: <000e01c4cc2f$c764fcb0$2cf5a4cb@p4c2ghz>
References: <000e01c4cc2f$c764fcb0$2cf5a4cb@p4c2ghz>
Message-ID: <41C2223D.4090405@hyperactivesw.com>

On 11/16/04 4:58 PM, D.Rothe wrote:

> Hi,
> I have a tab delimited list I want to be able to search, say I have a list of names for example;
> 
> Father Xmas    Is Drunk
> New Years    Is after Xmas
> Rudolph    The Reindeer
> Merry Xmas    To all
> 
> I want to search for ALL instances of Xmas and display the whole matching line of each found in a list field.
> So far I can get it to display the first line only ( Father Xmas    Is Drunk) ! 
> Any help would appreciated!!! I have checked the tutorials for help but couldn't find what I was looking for,
> is there an example stack or notes anyone may know of?

Here's one way:

on mouseUp
   answer getLines("Xmas",fld 1)
end mouseUp

function getLines tString,tData
   put 0 into tOffset
   repeat
     get lineoffset(tString,tData,tOffset)
     if it = 0 then exit repeat
     put line it+tOffset of tData & cr after tNewList
     add it to tOffset
   end repeat
   return tNewList
end getLines

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com

From fde101 at fjrhome.net  Thu Dec 16 18:42:41 2004
From: fde101 at fjrhome.net (Frank D. Engel, Jr.)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 18:42:41 -0500
Subject: Newbie: find, search command
In-Reply-To: <41C21AF2.4000509@fourthworld.com>
References: <000e01c4cc2f$c764fcb0$2cf5a4cb@p4c2ghz>
	<41C21AF2.4000509@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <2D27AE34-4FBC-11D9-A15B-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>

Except that you need to delete the last "cr" before putting it into the 
list, or you will have a blank line at the bottom; just add one line to 
the code:

> function FindData pStringToFind, pDataToSearch
>   repeat for each line tLine in pDataToSearch
>      if pStringToFind is in tLine then put tLine &cr after tFoundData
>   end repeat
   delete the last char of tFoundData
>   return tFoundData
> end FindData

On Dec 16, 2004, at 6:32 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> D.Rothe wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I have a tab delimited list I want to be able to search, say I have a 
>> list of names for example;
>> Father Xmas    Is Drunk
>> New Years    Is after Xmas
>> Rudolph    The Reindeer
>> Merry Xmas    To all
>> I want to search for ALL instances of Xmas and display the whole 
>> matching line of each found in a list field.
>> So far I can get it to display the first line only ( Father Xmas    
>> Is Drunk) ! Any help would appreciated!!! I have checked the 
>> tutorials for help but couldn't find what I was looking for,
>> is there an example stack or notes anyone may know of?
>
> For short lists (<50,000 lines) you may be pleasantly surprised by the 
> speed of what might look like clunkly Transcript:
>
>
> function FindData pStringToFind, pDataToSearch
>   repeat for each line tLine in pDataToSearch
>      if pStringToFind is in tLine then put tLine &cr after tFoundData
>   end repeat
>   return tFoundData
> end FindData
>
>
> You can call it simply enough:
>
> on mouseUp
>   put FindData("Xmas", fld "stuff")
> end mouseUp
>
>
> --
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World Media Corporation
>  __________________________________________________
>  Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
>
-----------------------------------------------------------
Frank D. Engel, Jr.  <fde101 at fjrhome.net>

$ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
$ true | cat /usr/manual | grep "John 3:16"
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten 
Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have 
everlasting life.
$



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From europe at ehug.info  Thu Dec 16 21:35:00 2004
From: europe at ehug.info (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 03:35:00 +0100
Subject: ChatRev Client
Message-ID: <41C245D4.30806@ehug.info>

Dear Revolution users,

A new version of ChatRev 1.2M, my implementation of Bj?rnke von 
Gierke's ChatRev client, has been released. ChatRev is an 
application that can connect to a ChatRev Server. ChatRev 1.2M19 
is fully compatible with the current ChatRev protocol. Major 
features include:

- on-line English dictionary using Babylon
- file transfer to and from other clients
- sending colourised text using menus or a palette
- compatibility with the new ChatRev forum format
- speech
- clickable web links
- automatic linking to Bugzilla
- graphical smileys
- optional interpreting of HTML tags
- an opportunity to sponsor the project

The stack and standalone versions of ChatRev 1.2M19 can be 
downloaded at 
<http://home.wanadoo.nl/mark.sch/software/main.html>. From 
there, follow the link to ChatRev.

Quick start: If you open ChatRev for the first time, choose the 
default url http://www.revolutionboard.de/bvg/ip.txt from the IP 
URL menu. An IP number will appear in the IP menu. Enter 80 into 
the Port field. Also, enter a user name and a password and click 
on the Connect button. If you haven't registered before, you 
will be asked to register. Fill out the form and click on Okay. 
Then click on Connect again.

To improve this client, it is very important that bugs are 
reported. If you encounter any problems with the client or have 
other comments, please send an e-mail to 
<mailto:chatrev at schonewille.cjb.net>. Include an extensive 
description of what you did before the problem occurred and add 
what you expected to happen instead. Also list the hardware and 
relevant software you are using, e.g. computer model, built-in 
memory, free hard disk space, and operating system.

I hope to meet you on ChatRev, soon!

Best regards,

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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Dec 16 21:43:04 2004
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 20:43:04 -0600
Subject: Newbie: find, search command
In-Reply-To: <2D27AE34-4FBC-11D9-A15B-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>
References: <000e01c4cc2f$c764fcb0$2cf5a4cb@p4c2ghz>
	<41C21AF2.4000509@fourthworld.com>
	<2D27AE34-4FBC-11D9-A15B-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>
Message-ID: <41C247B8.6010009@hyperactivesw.com>

On 12/16/04 5:42 PM, Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote:

> Except that you need to delete the last "cr" before putting it into the 
> list, or you will have a blank line at the bottom; just add one line to 
> the code:
> 
>> function FindData pStringToFind, pDataToSearch
>>   repeat for each line tLine in pDataToSearch
>>      if pStringToFind is in tLine then put tLine &cr after tFoundData
>>   end repeat
> 
>   delete the last char of tFoundData
> 
>>   return tFoundData
>> end FindData

Sometimes, but it depends on what you're doing. Revolution is forgiving 
enough that a lot of the time it doesn't matter. For example, "the 
number of lines" will return the same number whether the carriage return 
is at the end or not.

This has come up before, and it isn't a bug, it's a feature. Commas work 
the same way.


> On Dec 16, 2004, at 6:32 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> 
>> D.Rothe wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>> I have a tab delimited list I want to be able to search, say I have a 
>>> list of names for example;
>>> Father Xmas    Is Drunk
>>> New Years    Is after Xmas
>>> Rudolph    The Reindeer
>>> Merry Xmas    To all
>>> I want to search for ALL instances of Xmas and display the whole 
>>> matching line of each found in a list field.
>>> So far I can get it to display the first line only ( Father Xmas    
>>> Is Drunk) ! Any help would appreciated!!! I have checked the 
>>> tutorials for help but couldn't find what I was looking for,
>>> is there an example stack or notes anyone may know of?
>>
>>
>> For short lists (<50,000 lines) you may be pleasantly surprised by the 
>> speed of what might look like clunkly Transcript:
>>
>>
>> function FindData pStringToFind, pDataToSearch
>>   repeat for each line tLine in pDataToSearch
>>      if pStringToFind is in tLine then put tLine &cr after tFoundData
>>   end repeat
>>   return tFoundData
>> end FindData
>>
>>
>> You can call it simply enough:
>>
>> on mouseUp
>>   put FindData("Xmas", fld "stuff")
>> end mouseUp
>>
>>
>> -- 
>>  Richard Gaskin
>>  Fourth World Media Corporation
>>  __________________________________________________
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>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>>
> -----------------------------------------------------------
> Frank D. Engel, Jr.  <fde101 at fjrhome.net>
> 
> $ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
> $ true | cat /usr/manual | grep "John 3:16"
> John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten 
> Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have 
> everlasting life.
> $
> 
> 
> 
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From docmann at gmail.com  Thu Dec 16 22:58:47 2004
From: docmann at gmail.com (docmann)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 21:58:47 -0600
Subject: mySQL Query... need some help
Message-ID: <9d58de7d04121619583064e333@mail.gmail.com>

I'm a genuine newbie and have been having a major difficulty in trying
to format a mySQL query and thought that maybe someone can point me in
the right direction.

All I'm trying to accomplish at this point is to search for a specific
record and display the info in the proper fields. Here's how I have
things set up...

Currently the DB is connected when the card opens

DB name is: mybuddies
Table name is :revprogrammers

DB Fields:
FirstName (Primary)
LastName
PhoneNumber

Text Fields In Stack:
ShowFirstName
ShowLastName
ShowPhoneNumber

Query Field:
myQuery

I *think* this is the right general direction (not working, obviously)

on mouseUp

  get revDataFromQuery(,,"SELECT * FROM mybuddies WHERE FirstName =
field 'myQuery'")

end mouseUp

I'd jump for joy if someone could point out what I'm doing wrong or
point me to a *really simple* mySQL tutorial/stack to learn from....

Thanks,

-Doc-

From sarahr at genesearch.com.au  Fri Dec 17 00:01:06 2004
From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 15:01:06 +1000
Subject: mySQL Query... need some help
In-Reply-To: <9d58de7d04121619583064e333@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9d58de7d04121619583064e333@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A87C679A-4FE8-11D9-80AA-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au>

>
> I'm a genuine newbie and have been having a major difficulty in trying
> to format a mySQL query and thought that maybe someone can point me in
> the right direction.
>
> All I'm trying to accomplish at this point is to search for a specific
> record and display the info in the proper fields. Here's how I have
> things set up...
>
snip

> I'd jump for joy if someone could point out what I'm doing wrong or
> point me to a *really simple* mySQL tutorial/stack to learn from....
>
> Thanks,
>
> -Doc-
At my web site, I have a MySQLtest.rev stack which I used when teaching 
myself all this stuff. It has buttons to make the connection, list 
tables, show table structures and perform queries as well as a rather 
crude interface for editing table structures. It might help you get 
going anyway.

Cheers,
Sarah
sarahr at genesearch.com.au
http://www.troz.net/Rev/


From heather at runrev.com  Fri Dec 17 04:19:21 2004
From: heather at runrev.com (Heather Nagey)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 09:19:21 +0000
Subject: Last call for revBears before Christmas
Message-ID: <BDE85519.333DC%heather@runrev.com>

Dear list members,

If you want to order a revBear for Christmas, this is positively the last
call, especially if you live overseas from the UK. You need to order now! We
still have a handful left but its strictly first come, first served.

www.runrev.com/revbears.php

For your very own lovable coding companion.

Warm regards and Happy Holidays to all

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From douez at wanadoo.fr  Fri Dec 17 04:38:19 2004
From: douez at wanadoo.fr (thierry)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 10:38:19 +0100
Subject: Disabled submenu items on Win XP
In-Reply-To: <AC21FA04-4FA7-11D9-BCE2-0003930A9F94@wanadoo.fr>
References: <20041216170130.7CF52930211@mail.runrev.com>
 <AC21FA04-4FA7-11D9-BCE2-0003930A9F94@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <24230412.20041217103819@wanadoo.fr>

Hi Eric,

?C> enabled menu item 1
?C> enabled menu item 2
?C> 	DISABLED submenu item 21
?C> 	enabled submenu item 22
?C> 	enabled submenu item 23
?C> enabled menu item 3
?C> etc.


just try again on my PC, and could disable item 21 and still can select
item 22 or 23 .

i don't develop wtih Rev on Mac.. so no idea about the differences.

HTH, thierry

?C> With Rev Win32, you are not able to select submenu item 22 or 23 :-(
?C> On Mac OS X, no problem :-)
?C> Any idea?



Best regards, 



From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Fri Dec 17 05:05:36 2004
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 10:05:36 +0000
Subject: mySQL Query... need some help
In-Reply-To: <9d58de7d04121619583064e333@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BDE85FF0.2612A%benr_mc@cogapp.com>

on 17/12/04 3:58 am, docmann wrote

> on mouseUp
>   get revDataFromQuery(,,"SELECT * FROM mybuddies WHERE FirstName =
>field 'myQuery'")
> end mouseUp

I can see two issues here (I won't say that there may not be other ones!).

The first one is that you need at least two parameters to
'revDataFromQuery': database id, and SQL query.  You've got the SQL query,
but not the id.  But I'm guessing you may have just left that out of the
message?  Anyway, you need to open the database before you can call
'revDataFromQuery': see revOpenDatabase for more information.

The second problem is that the query string passed as a parameter to
'revDataFromQuery' is actually passed directly to the database, in this case
MySQL.  So MySQL gets this query:

    SELECT * FROM mybuddies WHERE FirstName = field 'myQuery'

But MySQL doesn't know anything about your Revolution fields.  So you need
to get the data out of the Revolution field before passing the query to
MySQL.  You could do something like this, just using Transcript's standard
string concatenation operator:

  put field "myQuery" into tName
  put "SELECT * FROM mybuddies WHERE FirstName = '" & tName & "'" into tSQL
  get revDataFromQuery(,, iDatabaseID, tSQL)

That way, if the field contains "Bob", then the variable tSQL will be set to
(and MySQL will get):

       SELECT * FROM mybuddies WHERE FirstName = 'Bob'

Because this is quite a common pattern in making queries from databases -
most of the query is hard wired, but part is dynamic - revDataFromQuery
includes a special feature to make this more convenient.  The string you
pass to revDataFromQuery can contain placeholders, which revDataFromQuery
fills in from variables, the names of which are passed in as additional
parameters.  In this simple case, it's hardly simpler, but it can be useful
in more complicated cases.  The following code will send exactly the same
string to MySQL:

  put field "myQuery" into tName
  put "SELECT * FROM mybuddies WHERE FirstName = ':1'" into tSQL
  get revDataFromQuery(,, iDatabaseID, tSQL, "tName")

(Note that the name of the variable holding the value to be substituted for
the placeholder is passed, rather than the value - unusual in Transcript,
and slightly confusing.)

Hope this helps,
 
  Ben Rubinstein               |  Email: benr_mc at cogapp.com
  Cognitive Applications Ltd   |  Phone: +44 (0)1273-821600
  http://www.cogapp.com        |  Fax  : +44 (0)1273-728866


From johnmiller1950 at sbcglobal.net  Fri Dec 17 05:44:35 2004
From: johnmiller1950 at sbcglobal.net (John Miller)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 05:44:35 -0500
Subject: Network - Running A Standalone Application From A Network Server
Message-ID: <A497925A-5018-11D9-AE1D-000A95880812@sbcglobal.net>

Greetings All,

I have written a standalone estimation package for our company using 
Revolution. About a half dozen people use the program. We tried putting 
the app on the company server, but it runs awfully slow. This whole 
process raises several questions:

1. Can a standalone stack, running on a server, actually be used by 
more than 1 person at a time without problems?

2. Related Question: When somebody opens this stack on the server. Is 
it actually running on the stack, or does the program run on the 
indivual's computer?

3. Related Question: When a person is working on an estimation project, 
all the values for that project are temporarily stored in various 
fields within revolution. This info is later saved on a server as a 
text file. Am I correct in assuming that if more than 1 person is 
running the app off the server, if indeed this is possible, that it 
could create quite a mess?

4. Related Question: Since this is a new program, I am coming up with a 
new version at least twice a week. If having several people running the 
stack off the server is not possible, is there a way to quickly update 
the stack on everybody's individual computers with a newer version?

I hope all this makes sense.

Kind regards,
John Miller


From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Fri Dec 17 06:08:14 2004
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 11:08:14 +0000
Subject: Network - Running A Standalone Application From A Network
	Server
In-Reply-To: <A497925A-5018-11D9-AE1D-000A95880812@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <BDE86E9E.26131%benr_mc@cogapp.com>

on 17/12/04 10:44 am, John Miller wrote

> 1. Can a standalone stack, running on a server, actually be used by
> more than 1 person at a time without problems?

Probably not.  There may be a difference between operating systems here.  On
Mac (classic) an app can only be once; the file on disk corresponding to the
application is locked while the application is open.  On Windows (in
general) apps are loaded into (at least virtual) memory, and an app
corresponding to a file on disk can be open multiple times.  On MacOS X I'm
not sure; I know that an application writing to itself, possible on Mac
Classic but not on Windows (which corresponds to their respective positions
as to whether the running app uniquely owns the file it sprang from) is not
possible on X; however, it doesn't appear that an X app can be open twice.
Someone who knows what they're talking about may be able to give more detail
here.

> 2. Related Question: When somebody opens this stack on the server. Is
> it actually running on the stack, or does the program run on the
> indivual's computer?

Not quite clear about your situation.  Two possibilities:
- there is a standalone on the server.  User has a share mounted from the
server, and launches the standalone from that network drive.  In that case,
it's running on the individual's computer; but it may be still accessing the
network drive (the operating system may not simply load everything into the
memory of the user's computer, it may still read some parts off the
(network) disk).
- there is a stack on the server, and the users have either the revolution
app, Dreamcard Player, or a simple 'launcher' standalone on their machines.
In this case, it's simpler; the app (whichever of the three) is running on
the user's computer: when the app opens a stack from the server, the whole
stack is read into memory (on the user's computer).

> 3. Related Question: When a person is working on an estimation project,
> all the values for that project are temporarily stored in various
> fields within revolution. This info is later saved on a server as a
> text file. Am I correct in assuming that if more than 1 person is
> running the app off the server, if indeed this is possible, that it
> could create quite a mess?

Fields within a stack shouldn't be a problem.  This always takes place in
memory, which will always be on the user's computer.  (I'm assuming you're
not doing anything exotic like Citrix in all of the above, btw.)

When you save the data to the server, you obviously need to take precautions
against one user overwriting another user's data, or one user being locked
out by another.

> 4. Related Question: Since this is a new program, I am coming up with a
> new version at least twice a week. If having several people running the
> stack off the server is not possible, is there a way to quickly update
> the stack on everybody's individual computers with a newer version?

I don't think the stack off the server should itself be a problem.
Revolution, or any standalone built round it's engine, will read a stack
into memory completely and operate on it there.  Problems may be if you're
not talking about a stack off the server, but about a standalone off the
server; and when it comes to saving data.

In terms of quickly updating the stack, you can build a 'shell' standalone
which doesn't do much except start up, and open a stack containing all the
good stuff of your app.  (These are sometimes referred to as 'splash screen'
standalones, since they often display a splash screen and then pretty much
hand over to the stack with the real stuff.)  Depending on your setup, this
could be a stack loaded each time off a file server; a stack loaded each
time from a web server; or a stack loaded from a local copy, with some
provision to check for updates, and download and replace the local copy.

HTH,
 
  Ben Rubinstein               |  Email: benr_mc at cogapp.com
  Cognitive Applications Ltd   |  Phone: +44 (0)1273-821600
  http://www.cogapp.com        |  Fax  : +44 (0)1273-728866


From klaus at major-k.de  Fri Dec 17 06:20:53 2004
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 12:20:53 +0100
Subject: getting the number of the current marked card
Message-ID: <B692CAAC-501D-11D9-850C-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>

Hi friends,

has anybody a receipe on how to get the number of the current marked 
card
in a series of marked cards (obviously :-)?

I want to supply a bg field which tells the user the (relative) number 
of the current
marked cd like "1 of (the num of marked cds)" after marking some cards 
ind a stack with e.g. 100 cards...

Know what i mean? How can i get this (relative) number?
Something obvious i am overlooking?

Thanks in advance.


Best

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de


From douez at wanadoo.fr  Fri Dec 17 05:43:33 2004
From: douez at wanadoo.fr (thierry)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 11:43:33 +0100
Subject: Windows Dos window doesn't work?
In-Reply-To: <B7E12C48-4F9F-11D9-A5F2-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
References: <3d8af415041215141826868355@mail.gmail.com>
 <3d8af415041215141826868355@mail.gmail.com>
 <5.1.0.14.0.20041216014003.02d6fea8@mail.tweedly.net>
 <55FBEF8E-4F0B-11D9-BB4F-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
 <209091234.20041216111812@wanadoo.fr>
 <B7E12C48-4F9F-11D9-A5F2-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <1346257708.20041217114333@wanadoo.fr>

Hi Dar,


DS> On Dec 16, 2004, at 3:18 AM, thierry wrote:

>> today, this is a "Industry Product" which uses the open process, reads
>> few information at the start, and a report at the end. In between,
>> the 2 processes ( Rev and Perl ) communicate via Sockets.

DS> Socket communication is a good idea.

Well, i did struggled the same as with open process to make it right :-)

>> This works on Win98, NT systems and with Rev Express 2.1.

DS> You might have found a scheme that works but might not with small 
DS> changes, or some things do not work as well as they should and you 
DS> don't know, or things have been fixed, or Dar was up too late 30 months 
DS> ago.

Hummm, thanks for your comments...
that's why i said i should test a bit more
what i did few months ago even if i'm happy today about it.....

otherwise, what i see different in my case, is the ability to tune the perl
process accordingly to Rev behavior; also may be i got a lot of luck ?
Who knows :-)

Anyway, whenever i have a bit of time, i'll try to put together in a nice
stack all the tests i did with some explanation for the community....

Dar, could you share one of your script to show where things didn't work ?
Will be great.

Nice  to  talk  of this topic.
i've got quite few frustrating evenings on this topic :-)

Best regards, thierry



From xbury.cs at clearstream.com  Fri Dec 17 06:49:36 2004
From: xbury.cs at clearstream.com (xbury.cs at clearstream.com)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 12:49:36 +0100
Subject: getting the number of the current marked card
Message-ID: <OF17E2B447.E8C2ABC9-ONC1256F6D.0040D871-C1256F6D.0040F76F@deutsche-boerse.de>

Hallo Klaus!

Depends on how you sort the cards but that's one cheap trick to
find them...
sort by id of each card
Sort by the marked of each card

Now all cards are sorted by id, all marked cards together andthe 
number of the current card will tell you which it is! 

easy does it!
cheers
Xavier

On 17.12.2004 12:20:53 use-revolution-bounces wrote:
>Hi friends,
>
>has anybody a receipe on how to get the number of the current marked
>card
>in a series of marked cards (obviously :-)?
>
>I want to supply a bg field which tells the user the (relative) number
>of the current
>marked cd like "1 of (the num of marked cds)" after marking some cards
>ind a stack with e.g. 100 cards...
>
>Know what i mean? How can i get this (relative) number?
>Something obvious i am overlooking?
>
>Thanks in advance.
>
>
>Best
>
>Klaus Major
>klaus at major-k.de
>http://www.major-k.de
>
>_______________________________________________
>use-revolution mailing list
>use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution


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From klaus at major-k.de  Fri Dec 17 07:09:50 2004
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 13:09:50 +0100
Subject: getting the number of the current marked card
In-Reply-To: <OF17E2B447.E8C2ABC9-ONC1256F6D.0040D871-C1256F6D.0040F76F@deutsche-boerse.de>
References: <OF17E2B447.E8C2ABC9-ONC1256F6D.0040D871-C1256F6D.0040F76F@deutsche-boerse.de>
Message-ID: <8D54C282-5024-11D9-850C-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>

Bon jour Xavier,

> Hallo Klaus!
>
> Depends on how you sort the cards but that's one cheap trick to
> find them...
> sort by id of each card
> Sort by the marked of each card

Sorry, no success, did not work :-(
After sorting this way, the actual cd number will still be displayed...

But i found a workaround:
...
go first marked cd
   repeat with i = 1 to the num of marked cds
     set the num of this cd to i
     go next marked cd
   end repeat
  go first marked cd
...

does exactlyly what i want and since i lock screen i think this will be 
fast
enough even with lots of cards...

> Now all cards are sorted by id, all marked cards together andthe
> number of the current card will tell you which it is!
>
> easy does it!

That's for sure :-)

Thanks for your inspiration ;-)

> cheers
> Xavier

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de


From klaus at major-k.de  Fri Dec 17 07:18:20 2004
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 13:18:20 +0100
Subject: getting the number of the current marked card
In-Reply-To: <8D54C282-5024-11D9-850C-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>
References: 	<OF17E2B447.E8C2ABC9-ONC1256F6D.0040D871-C1256F6D.0040F76F@deutsche-boerse.de>
	<8D54C282-5024-11D9-850C-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <BD3431D0-5025-11D9-850C-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>

Bon jour Xavier,

>> Hallo Klaus!
>>
>> Depends on how you sort the cards but that's one cheap trick to
>> find them...
>> sort by id of each card
>> Sort by the marked of each card
>
> Sorry, no success, did not work :-(
> After sorting this way, the actual cd number will still be displayed...

Excuse-moi mille fois, mon ami!!!

I used the wrong syntax (the little typos "made in a hurry"), of course 
this DOES
work and will probably faster than re-numbering all marked cds.

Thanks!


Regards
Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de


From xbury.cs at clearstream.com  Fri Dec 17 07:27:29 2004
From: xbury.cs at clearstream.com (xbury.cs at clearstream.com)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 13:27:29 +0100
Subject: getting the number of the current marked card
Message-ID: <OFC455EE7B.A3838612-ONC1256F6D.00442C16-C1256F6D.00446F5E@deutsche-boerse.de>

i wanted justly to avoid going through every card! 

So if I move card 2 to the last card of the stack, it is still card 2???

Seems unreal!

So after sorting cards, how do you know which is the 5 card in the list?
You are forced to either remember every card in an array index or
go next 5 times? This sounds ridiculous...

X

On 17.12.2004 13:09:50 use-revolution-bounces wrote:
>Bon jour Xavier,
>
>> Hallo Klaus!
>>
>> Depends on how you sort the cards but that's one cheap trick to
>> find them...
>> sort by id of each card
>> Sort by the marked of each card
>
>Sorry, no success, did not work :-(
>After sorting this way, the actual cd number will still be displayed...
>
>But i found a workaround:
>...
>go first marked cd
>repeat with i = 1 to the num of marked cds
>set the num of this cd to i
>go next marked cd
>end repeat
>go first marked cd
>...
>
>does exactlyly what i want and since i lock screen i think this will be
>fast
>enough even with lots of cards...
>
>> Now all cards are sorted by id, all marked cards together andthe
>> number of the current card will tell you which it is!
>>
>> easy does it!
>
>That's for sure :-)
>
>Thanks for your inspiration ;-)
>
>> cheers
>> Xavier
>
>Regards
>
>Klaus Major
>klaus at major-k.de
>http://www.major-k.de
>
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From klaus at major-k.de  Fri Dec 17 07:36:33 2004
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 13:36:33 +0100
Subject: getting the number of the current marked card
In-Reply-To: <OFC455EE7B.A3838612-ONC1256F6D.00442C16-C1256F6D.00446F5E@deutsche-boerse.de>
References: <OFC455EE7B.A3838612-ONC1256F6D.00442C16-C1256F6D.00446F5E@deutsche-boerse.de>
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Hi Xavier,

> i wanted justly to avoid going through every card!

Yes, sure, see my last mail...

> So if I move card 2 to the last card of the stack, it is still card 
> 2???

No, then it is the last (the num of cds) card :-)

> Seems unreal!

Life is unreal :-D

> So after sorting cards, how do you know which is the 5 card in the 
> list?
> You are forced to either remember every card in an array index or
> go next 5 times? This sounds ridiculous...

In my case that doesn't matter, fortunately ;-)

> X

>>> ...
>>> Depends on how you sort the cards but that's one cheap trick to
>>> find them...
>>> sort by id of each card
>>> Sort by the marked of each card

The correct syntax is (i finally found out):

...
sort cds by the mark of each
...

Looks like it is not even necessary to sort by id first...

Have a nice weekend (and don't drive too fast ;-)


Best

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de


From xbury.cs at clearstream.com  Fri Dec 17 08:02:01 2004
From: xbury.cs at clearstream.com (xbury.cs at clearstream.com)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 14:02:01 +0100
Subject: getting the number of the current marked card
Message-ID: <OF5BC096A6.AC45F555-ONC1256F6D.00472926-C1256F6D.004798C4@deutsche-boerse.de>

>Looks like it is not even necessary to sort by id first...

only if cards were not sorted by id first ;))

>Have a nice weekend (and don't drive too fast ;-)

Fortunately, I can drive as fast as I want with GTR! 
After trying Ferrari 575 and 550s in GT class (+600HP),
the Lamborghini Murcielago, the Lister and the Saleen,
i've come to love the way Porsches drive and drift all
the time! Takes getting used to though - persistence
helps! 

Not only Germans make fine cars but also fine and
safe games! ;)

X


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From carambola at aliceposta.it  Fri Dec 17 07:59:57 2004
From: carambola at aliceposta.it (paolo)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 13:59:57 +0100
Subject: rev chat disconnected
In-Reply-To: <41C245D4.30806@ehug.info>
Message-ID: <8DA7CB18-502B-11D9-AC8C-000393680A94@aliceposta.it>

I can not connect to the chat server... I was disconnected.... probably 
  because your system did not like my question. Or that's because it was 
too long (actually it exceded the insertion field) . I feel guilty 
about that.

I just wanted to ask if you have used  libNetServices from Andre 
Garzia. I need a web server for a private LAN. It would be great to use 
Rev for this task.

Ciao

Paolo Mazza


From europe at ehug.info  Fri Dec 17 08:35:55 2004
From: europe at ehug.info (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 14:35:55 +0100
Subject: rev chat disconnected
In-Reply-To: <8DA7CB18-502B-11D9-AC8C-000393680A94@aliceposta.it>
References: <8DA7CB18-502B-11D9-AC8C-000393680A94@aliceposta.it>
Message-ID: <41C2E0BB.8000707@ehug.info>

Hi Paolo,

I'm replying to the list because you wrote to the list. 
Probably, it is to be preferred to send bug reports and comments 
about the ChatRev M client to 
<mailto:chatrev at schonewille.cjb.net> and omments about the 
server to Bj?rnke's e-mail address.

paolo wrote:
> I can not connect to the chat server... I was disconnected.... probably 
>  because your system did not like my question. Or that's because it was 
> too long (actually it exceded the insertion field) . I feel guilty about 
> that.

It seems that the server decided to give up. The server is 
maintained by Bj?rnke. I'm sure it will be back on-line, soon.

There isn't much that you can do to deliberately crash the 
client or the server. Don't worry about posting long texts.

> I just wanted to ask if you have used  libNetServices from Andre Garzia. 
> I need a web server for a private LAN. It would be great to use Rev for 
> this task.

The client and the server we both created before Andr? released 
libNetServices. Besides, I don't think that libNetServices is 
compatible with the ChatRev protocol.

Best,

Mark

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From dougrogers1 at mac.com  Fri Dec 17 08:45:11 2004
From: dougrogers1 at mac.com (doug rogers)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 08:45:11 -0500
Subject: Applescript error?
Message-ID: <DF6269E8-5031-11D9-93BE-0003938CD4F4@mac.com>



Begin forwarded message:

> From: doug rogers <dougrogers1 at mac.com>
> Date: December 16, 2004 8:38:15 PM EST
> To: revolution at runrev.com
> Subject:
>
> New to Revolution. May be a convert from HyperCard :-) Playing with 
> the 30 day demo.
>
> 1) I have a button in my HyperCard stack -with a Hypertalk script- 
> which has as its content a small applescript. So "do me as 
> applescript" in the Hypertalk script executes. Where is the best place 
> to put this snippet of applescript in my Rev Stack? Or, even better 
> than compiling it again everytime, is there a better way to do this?
>
> 2) A question too about overhead. This is a small stack I want to run, 
> basically one card that requests to a network and an applescript to 
> send stuff to iCal. If I buy Dreamcard, I need to run it to access the 
> stack. Upgrading to the Studio edition will allow me to build 
> standalones... and it will just be stuff I'm running on this Mac, 
> perhaps three or so stacks concurrently, OSX dual USB iBook. What is 
> going to be the best use of Memory?
>
> 3) :-) I have had Rev quit a couple of times developing this little 
> stack, as Rev pages in and out of RAM, I think. Maybe it's the calls 
> to the applescript, which seem to launch HyperCard in Classic. So I 
> need to get that applescript up to where I can deal with it.
>
> 4) And the 'request from server' gives me back a -1701 error , which 
> is an AppleEvent thing, I think.
>
> 5) and I forget because I was interrupted by my daughter... hmmmm.... 
> you can't help me with that :-) Oh! MIDI! I have another stack which I 
> would like to work on which depends on an xcmd (XCMD?) which does a 
> call to Quicktime to export out a MIDI file. Anyone working on this 
> kind of stuff?
>
>
>
>  There is a crack in everything. That's how the light gets in.
> __________<http://home.golden.net/~samu>__________
>
>
  There is a crack in everything. That's how the light gets in.
__________<http://home.golden.net/~samu>__________


From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Fri Dec 17 10:04:41 2004
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 15:04:41 +0000
Subject: Applescript error?
In-Reply-To: <DF6269E8-5031-11D9-93BE-0003938CD4F4@mac.com>
Message-ID: <BDE8A609.26169%benr_mc@cogapp.com>

> New to Revolution.  May be a convert from HyperCard :-)

Come on in, the water's lovely.  I am a deep, deep, HyperCard loyalist;
"Bill Atkinson is my hero" t-shirt worn to shreds; will always bleed in one
colour, etc.  Revolution is unquestionable the onlie true descendant;
incorporating just about everything that was good about HyperCard, with some
really fantastic advances.  I used RealBasic for a few years, and there are
some nice things about that product, but overall I find Revolution
infinitely better.  We're still dealing with IDE issues, but getting there;
the engine is very solid; and most importantly the development team is
excellent. 

> 1) I have a button in my HyperCard stack -with a Hypertalk script-
> which has as its content a small applescript. So "do me as
> applescript" in the Hypertalk script executes. Where is the best place
> to put this snippet of applescript in my Rev Stack? Or, even better
> than compiling it again everytime, is there a better way to do this?

No alternative to compiling it again everytime - ie Rev, like HyperCard,
simply supports the 'do x as applescript' construction.  Best place to put
it?  Every object in Rev - stack, card, group, field, button, etc - can have
unlimited custom properties.  So no need to store this sort of thing in the
script anymore (effectively the only custom property available in HC).  So
put the applescript into a custom property called eg "uAppleScript", and
then eg "do the uAppleScript of me as applescript".

> 2) A question too about overhead. This is a small stack I want to run,
> basically one card that requests to a network and an applescript to
> send stuff to iCal. If I buy Dreamcard, I need to run it to access the
> stack. Upgrading to the Studio edition will allow me to build
> standalones... and it will just be stuff I'm running on this Mac,
> perhaps three or so stacks concurrently, OSX dual USB iBook. What is
> going to be the best use of Memory?

Note sure it makes much odds; if you can make it work with Dreamcard Player,
you should be able to use that to run your stacks without the memory
overhead of the IDE.

> 3) :-) I have had Rev quit a couple of times developing this little
> stack, as Rev pages in and out of RAM, I think. Maybe it's the calls
> to the applescript, which seem to launch HyperCard in Classic. So I
> need to get that applescript up to where I can deal with it.

Hmpph.  I use AppleScript from Rev quite a bit, never does me any harm.  Not
necessarily communicating with Classic apps, though I'd have said I do
sometimes.

If you can make it reproducible - and even if you can't, but can give a good
description of the setup - please report this in Bugzilla:
<http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/>.  On OS X, there should be crash
logs, which you'll find in ~/Library/Logs/CrashReporter/Revolution.crash.log
- you can attach these to your report, which is helpful.

> 4) And the 'request from server' gives me back a -1701 error , which
> is an AppleEvent thing, I think.

"errAEDescNotFound", apparently.  Whatever that means.

> 5) and I forget because I was interrupted by my daughter... hmmmm....
> you can't help me with that :-)

Nope, try eBay.

> Oh! MIDI! I have another stack which I would like to work on which depends on
> an xcmd (XCMD?) which does a call to Quicktime to export out a MIDI file.
> Anyone working on this kind of stuff?

I know nothing about MIDI.

But one to thing watch re XCMDs; Rev implements the original (or strictly
speaking, I think, the 1.1) XCMD API; but not the subsequent enhancements
(most of which came in with HC 2, IIRC).  In theory, XCMDs could be written
so that they tested if a particular function was available; but as far as I
know, few if any ever did.  If an XCMD makes an unsupported call, Rev does
the right thing in terms of supplying a polite response, but many (most?)
XCMDs don't check it properly, and crash.  If you have access to the source
code of the XCMD, you can very likely code round the missing calls (I found
a bunch of mine were just using some convenience functions like StrToRect,
which it weren't in the earlier API (and blush, of course I wasn't
checking), so it was trivial to replace these calls).

So first point, save before you test XCMDs, you might crash; secondly, test
them hard!

Good luck, have fun.
 
  Ben Rubinstein               |  Email: benr_mc at cogapp.com
  Cognitive Applications Ltd   |  Phone: +44 (0)1273-821600
  http://www.cogapp.com        |  Fax  : +44 (0)1273-728866


From bvg at mac.com  Fri Dec 17 10:08:59 2004
From: bvg at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 16:08:59 +0100
Subject: rev chat disconnected
In-Reply-To: <41C2E0BB.8000707@ehug.info>
References: <8DA7CB18-502B-11D9-AC8C-000393680A94@aliceposta.it>
	<41C2E0BB.8000707@ehug.info>
Message-ID: <947D10B2-503D-11D9-8303-000D932AE9E0@mac.com>

Unfortunately the ADSL connection to my home is interrupted. Actually 
it's the whole city, the ex-monopolist Swisscom made some fault. When 
they fix the problem is unknown, but i guess they are feverishly 
working on it. I am writing this on dialup...


see you after they fix it
Bjoernke ovn Gierke

<>()<>()<>()<>()<>()<>()<>()<>()<>()<>()<>

official ChatRev page:
http://chatrev.cjb.net:8080

Chat with other RunRev developers:
go stack URL "http://homepage.mac.com/bvg/chatrev1.2.5.rev"


From fde101 at fjrhome.net  Fri Dec 17 10:12:17 2004
From: fde101 at fjrhome.net (Frank D. Engel, Jr.)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 10:12:17 -0500
Subject: Newbie: find, search command
In-Reply-To: <41C247B8.6010009@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <000e01c4cc2f$c764fcb0$2cf5a4cb@p4c2ghz>
	<41C21AF2.4000509@fourthworld.com>
	<2D27AE34-4FBC-11D9-A15B-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>
	<41C247B8.6010009@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <0A93CC3B-503E-11D9-8A4C-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>

Yes, but a cr at the end will show a blank line at the end of a field.  
Remember that list boxes are fields, and the selectable lines are lines 
of text from the field.  Since you can hit return/enter and add a blank 
line at the end of the field and have it displayed, you will also see a 
blank line at the end of a list box.

The original poster specifically stated that he wished to display these 
results in a list box (which is a field), so this is definitely an 
issue for him.  Trust me, it took me a while to work this one out 
myself, and I've been using something similar quite heavily (although I 
let PostgreSQL do most of my sorts and searches for me -- I just format 
the results...)

On Dec 16, 2004, at 9:43 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> On 12/16/04 5:42 PM, Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote:
>
>> Except that you need to delete the last "cr" before putting it into 
>> the list, or you will have a blank line at the bottom; just add one 
>> line to the code:
>>> function FindData pStringToFind, pDataToSearch
>>>   repeat for each line tLine in pDataToSearch
>>>      if pStringToFind is in tLine then put tLine &cr after tFoundData
>>>   end repeat
>>   delete the last char of tFoundData
>>>   return tFoundData
>>> end FindData
>
> Sometimes, but it depends on what you're doing. Revolution is 
> forgiving enough that a lot of the time it doesn't matter. For 
> example, "the number of lines" will return the same number whether the 
> carriage return is at the end or not.
>
> This has come up before, and it isn't a bug, it's a feature. Commas 
> work the same way.
>
>
>> On Dec 16, 2004, at 6:32 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>>> D.Rothe wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>> I have a tab delimited list I want to be able to search, say I have 
>>>> a list of names for example;
>>>> Father Xmas    Is Drunk
>>>> New Years    Is after Xmas
>>>> Rudolph    The Reindeer
>>>> Merry Xmas    To all
>>>> I want to search for ALL instances of Xmas and display the whole 
>>>> matching line of each found in a list field.
>>>> So far I can get it to display the first line only ( Father Xmas    
>>>> Is Drunk) ! Any help would appreciated!!! I have checked the 
>>>> tutorials for help but couldn't find what I was looking for,
>>>> is there an example stack or notes anyone may know of?
>>>
>>>
>>> For short lists (<50,000 lines) you may be pleasantly surprised by 
>>> the speed of what might look like clunkly Transcript:
>>>
>>>
>>> function FindData pStringToFind, pDataToSearch
>>>   repeat for each line tLine in pDataToSearch
>>>      if pStringToFind is in tLine then put tLine &cr after tFoundData
>>>   end repeat
>>>   return tFoundData
>>> end FindData
>>>
>>>
>>> You can call it simply enough:
>>>
>>> on mouseUp
>>>   put FindData("Xmas", fld "stuff")
>>> end mouseUp
>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>>  Richard Gaskin
>>>  Fourth World Media Corporation
>>>  __________________________________________________
>>>  Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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>>>
>>>
>> -----------------------------------------------------------
>> Frank D. Engel, Jr.  <fde101 at fjrhome.net>
>> $ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
>> $ true | cat /usr/manual | grep "John 3:16"
>> John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten 
>> Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have 
>> everlasting life.
>> $
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>
> -- 
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$ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
$ true | cat /usr/manual | grep "John 3:16"
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten 
Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have 
everlasting life.
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Dec 17 10:20:22 2004
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 07:20:22 -0800
Subject: Applescript error?
In-Reply-To: <BDE8A609.26169%benr_mc@cogapp.com>
References: <BDE8A609.26169%benr_mc@cogapp.com>
Message-ID: <41C2F936.3070007@fourthworld.com>

Ben Rubinstein wrote:
> But one to thing watch re XCMDs; Rev implements the original (or strictly
> speaking, I think, the 1.1) XCMD API; but not the subsequent enhancements
> (most of which came in with HC 2, IIRC).  In theory, XCMDs could be written
> so that they tested if a particular function was available; but as far as I
> know, few if any ever did.  If an XCMD makes an unsupported call, Rev does
> the right thing in terms of supplying a polite response, but many (most?)
> XCMDs don't check it properly, and crash.  If you have access to the source
> code of the XCMD, you can very likely code round the missing calls (I found
> a bunch of mine were just using some convenience functions like StrToRect,
> which it weren't in the earlier API (and blush, of course I wasn't
> checking), so it was trivial to replace these calls).

Well said.

It may be worth noting that while more than a dozen apps once supported 
the HC 1.x XCMD interface, the HC2.x interface was so steeped in 
HC-specific structures that only HC itself ever supported it.

More importantly, most of the things folks had to resort to externals to 
accomplish in HC are built in with Rev, so with a couple of lines of 
revised scripting you can ditch those externals and have the 
functionality you're looking for on all platforms.

Since I first started working with this engine in 1997, I've only used 
one external -- written for Windows, which has since been replaced by 
native commands.  Everything else was replaced with Transcript.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  __________________________________________________
  Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev

From FlexibleLearning at aol.com  Fri Dec 17 10:20:42 2004
From: FlexibleLearning at aol.com (FlexibleLearning at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 10:20:42 EST
Subject: rev chat disconnected
Message-ID: <13c.8d270bc.2ef4534a@aol.com>

 
 
paolo wrote:
> I can not connect to the chat server... I was  disconnected.... probably 
>  because your system did not like my  question. Or that's because it was 
> too long (actually it exceded the  insertion field) . I feel guilty about 
> that.




According to Bj?rnke, his ADSL connection is interrupted along with  everyone 
else in the city who uses Swisscom. Fix time is unknown.
 
/H
 
Hugh  Senior
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T/F:  +44(0)1483.27 87 27

From fde101 at fjrhome.net  Fri Dec 17 10:19:44 2004
From: fde101 at fjrhome.net (Frank D. Engel, Jr.)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 10:19:44 -0500
Subject: mySQL Query... need some help
In-Reply-To: <BDE85FF0.2612A%benr_mc@cogapp.com>
References: <BDE85FF0.2612A%benr_mc@cogapp.com>
Message-ID: <14F792BE-503F-11D9-8A4C-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>

Also, if your field is accepting user input, be careful about 
"escaping" the strings.  Otherwise, if the user inputs text with a 
quote delimiter (') in it, the query may fail in the database, or give 
unexpected results.  Run each text field you aren't absolutely sure of 
through a function something like this:

function quoteString inText
   put inText into x
   replace "'" with "''" in x
   return x
end quoteString

Now you are looking at something more like:

put revDataFromQuery(,,databaseID, "SELECT * FROM mybuddies WHERE 
FirstName = " & quoteString(field "myQuery"))

On Dec 17, 2004, at 5:05 AM, Ben Rubinstein wrote:

> on 17/12/04 3:58 am, docmann wrote
>
>> on mouseUp
>>   get revDataFromQuery(,,"SELECT * FROM mybuddies WHERE FirstName =
>> field 'myQuery'")
>> end mouseUp
>
> I can see two issues here (I won't say that there may not be other 
> ones!).
>
> The first one is that you need at least two parameters to
> 'revDataFromQuery': database id, and SQL query.  You've got the SQL 
> query,
> but not the id.  But I'm guessing you may have just left that out of 
> the
> message?  Anyway, you need to open the database before you can call
> 'revDataFromQuery': see revOpenDatabase for more information.
>
> The second problem is that the query string passed as a parameter to
> 'revDataFromQuery' is actually passed directly to the database, in 
> this case
> MySQL.  So MySQL gets this query:
>
>     SELECT * FROM mybuddies WHERE FirstName = field 'myQuery'
>
> But MySQL doesn't know anything about your Revolution fields.  So you 
> need
> to get the data out of the Revolution field before passing the query to
> MySQL.  You could do something like this, just using Transcript's 
> standard
> string concatenation operator:
>
>   put field "myQuery" into tName
>   put "SELECT * FROM mybuddies WHERE FirstName = '" & tName & "'" into 
> tSQL
>   get revDataFromQuery(,, iDatabaseID, tSQL)
>
> That way, if the field contains "Bob", then the variable tSQL will be 
> set to
> (and MySQL will get):
>
>        SELECT * FROM mybuddies WHERE FirstName = 'Bob'
>
> Because this is quite a common pattern in making queries from 
> databases -
> most of the query is hard wired, but part is dynamic - revDataFromQuery
> includes a special feature to make this more convenient.  The string 
> you
> pass to revDataFromQuery can contain placeholders, which 
> revDataFromQuery
> fills in from variables, the names of which are passed in as additional
> parameters.  In this simple case, it's hardly simpler, but it can be 
> useful
> in more complicated cases.  The following code will send exactly the 
> same
> string to MySQL:
>
>   put field "myQuery" into tName
>   put "SELECT * FROM mybuddies WHERE FirstName = ':1'" into tSQL
>   get revDataFromQuery(,, iDatabaseID, tSQL, "tName")
>
> (Note that the name of the variable holding the value to be 
> substituted for
> the placeholder is passed, rather than the value - unusual in 
> Transcript,
> and slightly confusing.)
>
> Hope this helps,
>
>   Ben Rubinstein               |  Email: benr_mc at cogapp.com
>   Cognitive Applications Ltd   |  Phone: +44 (0)1273-821600
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>
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>
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$ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
$ true | cat /usr/manual | grep "John 3:16"
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten 
Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have 
everlasting life.
$



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From fde101 at fjrhome.net  Fri Dec 17 10:27:51 2004
From: fde101 at fjrhome.net (Frank D. Engel, Jr.)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 10:27:51 -0500
Subject: Network - Running A Standalone Application From A Network Server
In-Reply-To: <BDE86E9E.26131%benr_mc@cogapp.com>
References: <BDE86E9E.26131%benr_mc@cogapp.com>
Message-ID: <37477E54-5040-11D9-8A4C-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>


On Dec 17, 2004, at 6:08 AM, Ben Rubinstein wrote:

> on 17/12/04 10:44 am, John Miller wrote
>
>> 1. Can a standalone stack, running on a server, actually be used by
>> more than 1 person at a time without problems?
>
> Probably not.  There may be a difference between operating systems 
> here.  On
> Mac (classic) an app can only be once; the file on disk corresponding 
> to the
> application is locked while the application is open.  On Windows (in
> general) apps are loaded into (at least virtual) memory, and an app
> corresponding to a file on disk can be open multiple times.  On MacOS 
> X I'm
> not sure; I know that an application writing to itself, possible on Mac
> Classic but not on Windows (which corresponds to their respective 
> positions
> as to whether the running app uniquely owns the file it sprang from) 
> is not
> possible on X; however, it doesn't appear that an X app can be open 
> twice.
> Someone who knows what they're talking about may be able to give more 
> detail
> here.

An OS X program can have multiple running instances.  Additionally, 
Fast User Switching in OS X 10.3 allows several users to be logged in 
simultaneously on the same computer.  Having one user running a 
particular program does not prevent other users from running it at the 
same time.  It's partially due to the UNIX clone sitting under OS X.

Note that in general, trying to start a second instance of the same 
program within a single user login session from the GUI doesn't work: 
the behavior is the same as for OS 9.  But you can start a new instance 
from a terminal window just fine.

>
>> 2. Related Question: When somebody opens this stack on the server. Is
>> it actually running on the stack, or does the program run on the
>> indivual's computer?
>
> Not quite clear about your situation.  Two possibilities:
> - there is a standalone on the server.  User has a share mounted from 
> the
> server, and launches the standalone from that network drive.  In that 
> case,
> it's running on the individual's computer; but it may be still 
> accessing the
> network drive (the operating system may not simply load everything 
> into the
> memory of the user's computer, it may still read some parts off the
> (network) disk).
> - there is a stack on the server, and the users have either the 
> revolution
> app, Dreamcard Player, or a simple 'launcher' standalone on their 
> machines.
> In this case, it's simpler; the app (whichever of the three) is 
> running on
> the user's computer: when the app opens a stack from the server, the 
> whole
> stack is read into memory (on the user's computer).
>
>> 3. Related Question: When a person is working on an estimation 
>> project,
>> all the values for that project are temporarily stored in various
>> fields within revolution. This info is later saved on a server as a
>> text file. Am I correct in assuming that if more than 1 person is
>> running the app off the server, if indeed this is possible, that it
>> could create quite a mess?
>
> Fields within a stack shouldn't be a problem.  This always takes place 
> in
> memory, which will always be on the user's computer.  (I'm assuming 
> you're
> not doing anything exotic like Citrix in all of the above, btw.)
>
> When you save the data to the server, you obviously need to take 
> precautions
> against one user overwriting another user's data, or one user being 
> locked
> out by another.

In other words, if the same file is always used, you've got some 
potential issues.  If a different file is used each time (or for each 
user, perhaps), there shouldn't be a problem here.

>
>> 4. Related Question: Since this is a new program, I am coming up with 
>> a
>> new version at least twice a week. If having several people running 
>> the
>> stack off the server is not possible, is there a way to quickly update
>> the stack on everybody's individual computers with a newer version?
>
> I don't think the stack off the server should itself be a problem.
> Revolution, or any standalone built round it's engine, will read a 
> stack
> into memory completely and operate on it there.  Problems may be if 
> you're
> not talking about a stack off the server, but about a standalone off 
> the
> server; and when it comes to saving data.
>
> In terms of quickly updating the stack, you can build a 'shell' 
> standalone
> which doesn't do much except start up, and open a stack containing all 
> the
> good stuff of your app.  (These are sometimes referred to as 'splash 
> screen'
> standalones, since they often display a splash screen and then pretty 
> much
> hand over to the stack with the real stuff.)  Depending on your setup, 
> this
> could be a stack loaded each time off a file server; a stack loaded 
> each
> time from a web server; or a stack loaded from a local copy, with some
> provision to check for updates, and download and replace the local 
> copy.
>
> HTH,
>
>   Ben Rubinstein               |  Email: benr_mc at cogapp.com
>   Cognitive Applications Ltd   |  Phone: +44 (0)1273-821600
>   http://www.cogapp.com        |  Fax  : +44 (0)1273-728866
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
>
-----------------------------------------------------------
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$ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
$ true | cat /usr/manual | grep "John 3:16"
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten 
Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have 
everlasting life.
$



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From b.xavier at internet.lu  Fri Dec 17 10:39:55 2004
From: b.xavier at internet.lu (MisterX)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 16:39:55 +0100
Subject: where's my blinking cursor?
In-Reply-To: <OF5BC096A6.AC45F555-ONC1256F6D.00472926-C1256F6D.004798C4@deutsche-boerse.de>
Message-ID: <20041217153039.CFCA79300FD@mail.runrev.com>

Hi everyone,

As you know, I work in weendoz 2K.

In some fields you do see the cursor blinking, but when you have some links
in the fields, or keyup/down handlers in the script or styles on some other
occasions , the cursor doesn't blink at the current text insertion point
like my old apple ][ did!

Go figure where your cursor is now! Click again just to make sure each time
or start doing shift arrow moves which are a big productivity stopper if you
write a lot... After a few hundred times per document, it gets annoying
too...

Is there a bugzilla for this? Anyone know a solution? If I enter a bugzilla
will you vote for it? (otherwise, i wont - just kidding ;))

Regards,
Xavier
-
http://MonsieurX.com 
Rev your script and run your imagination wild.
Home of XOS, the Nitrous plug-ins and much more!


From fde101 at fjrhome.net  Fri Dec 17 10:40:10 2004
From: fde101 at fjrhome.net (Frank D. Engel, Jr.)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 10:40:10 -0500
Subject: Applescript error?
In-Reply-To: <DF6269E8-5031-11D9-93BE-0003938CD4F4@mac.com>
References: <DF6269E8-5031-11D9-93BE-0003938CD4F4@mac.com>
Message-ID: <EF3F72E3-5041-11D9-8A4C-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>


On Dec 17, 2004, at 8:45 AM, doug rogers wrote:

>
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
>> From: doug rogers <dougrogers1 at mac.com>
>> Date: December 16, 2004 8:38:15 PM EST
>> To: revolution at runrev.com
>> Subject:
>>
>> New to Revolution. May be a convert from HyperCard :-) Playing with 
>> the 30 day demo.
>>
>> 1) I have a button in my HyperCard stack -with a Hypertalk script- 
>> which has as its content a small applescript. So "do me as 
>> applescript" in the Hypertalk script executes. Where is the best 
>> place to put this snippet of applescript in my Rev Stack? Or, even 
>> better than compiling it again everytime, is there a better way to do 
>> this?
>>
>> 2) A question too about overhead. This is a small stack I want to 
>> run, basically one card that requests to a network and an applescript 
>> to send stuff to iCal. If I buy Dreamcard, I need to run it to access 
>> the stack. Upgrading to the Studio edition will allow me to build 
>> standalones... and it will just be stuff I'm running on this Mac, 
>> perhaps three or so stacks concurrently, OSX dual USB iBook. What is 
>> going to be the best use of Memory?
>>
>> 3) :-) I have had Rev quit a couple of times developing this little 
>> stack, as Rev pages in and out of RAM, I think. Maybe it's the calls 
>> to the applescript, which seem to launch HyperCard in Classic. So I 
>> need to get that applescript up to where I can deal with it.
>>
>> 4) And the 'request from server' gives me back a -1701 error , which 
>> is an AppleEvent thing, I think.
>>
>> 5) and I forget because I was interrupted by my daughter... hmmmm.... 
>> you can't help me with that :-) Oh! MIDI! I have another stack which 
>> I would like to work on which depends on an xcmd (XCMD?) which does a 
>> call to Quicktime to export out a MIDI file. Anyone working on this 
>> kind of stuff?

You may want to check out the Enhanced QuickTime External at 
http://www.mangomultimedia.com/developer/revolution/ -- not sure if 
that will have what you want, but it's probably worth a look.

>>
>>
>>
>>  There is a crack in everything. That's how the light gets in.
>> __________<http://home.golden.net/~samu>__________
>>
>>
>  There is a crack in everything. That's how the light gets in.
> __________<http://home.golden.net/~samu>__________
>
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>
>
-----------------------------------------------------------
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$ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
$ true | cat /usr/manual | grep "John 3:16"
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten 
Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have 
everlasting life.
$



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From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Fri Dec 17 10:52:44 2004
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 15:52:44 +0000
Subject: Network - Running A Standalone Application From A Network
	Server
In-Reply-To: <37477E54-5040-11D9-8A4C-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>
Message-ID: <BDE8B14C.26185%benr_mc@cogapp.com>

on 17/12/04 3:27 pm, Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote

>> On MacOS X I'm not sure; I know that an application writing to itself,
>> possible on Mac Classic but not on Windows (which corresponds to their
>> respective positions as to whether the running app uniquely owns the file it
>> sprang from) is not possible on X; however, it doesn't appear that an X app
>> can be open twice. Someone who knows what they're talking about may be able
>> to give more detail here.
> 
> An OS X program can have multiple running instances.  Additionally,
> Fast User Switching in OS X 10.3 allows several users to be logged in
> simultaneously on the same computer.  Having one user running a
> particular program does not prevent other users from running it at the
> same time.  It's partially due to the UNIX clone sitting under OS X.
> 
> Note that in general, trying to start a second instance of the same
> program within a single user login session from the GUI doesn't work:
> the behavior is the same as for OS 9.  But you can start a new instance
> from a terminal window just fine.

Ah! That makes sense.  Presumably Apple decided to place the same limitation
on (the GUI in) X that they had in Classic, to avoid scaring the horses (and
app developers who might have counted on the previous behaviour). Thanks for
clearing that up, Frank.
 
  Ben Rubinstein               |  Email: benr_mc at cogapp.com
  Cognitive Applications Ltd   |  Phone: +44 (0)1273-821600
  http://www.cogapp.com        |  Fax  : +44 (0)1273-728866


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Dec 17 11:22:29 2004
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 10:22:29 -0600
Subject: Applescript error?
In-Reply-To: <DF6269E8-5031-11D9-93BE-0003938CD4F4@mac.com>
References: <DF6269E8-5031-11D9-93BE-0003938CD4F4@mac.com>
Message-ID: <41C307C5.6030007@hyperactivesw.com>

On 12/17/04 7:45 AM, doug rogers wrote:

>> New to Revolution. May be a convert from HyperCard :-) Playing with 
>> the 30 day demo.

I think you'll be happy. After an initial unlearning curve -- you have 
to forget a few HC-specific behaviors and reorganize your brain around 
some others -- you will be amazed at what this engine can do.

>> 3) :-) I have had Rev quit a couple of times developing this little 
>> stack, as Rev pages in and out of RAM, I think. Maybe it's the calls 
>> to the applescript, which seem to launch HyperCard in Classic. So I 
>> need to get that applescript up to where I can deal with it.

There are some issues if you imported your original HC stack. Crashes 
are often because the stack wasn't compacted well enough in HC before 
the import. Try going back to HC, and compact three times in a row, 
doing nothing else in between. Then bring the stack into Rev. I can't 
tell you how important this is. Stacks that crashed for me intially 
behaved fine after I did a triple-compact in HC first.

If the problem still occurs, try setting the hcAddressing of the stack 
to false. This turns off the HC-specific object referencing 
requirements, but also seems to help in some other ways. I'm not sure why.

Make sure you save the stack to disk immediately after bringing it into 
Rev. That seems to help too.

>> 5) and I forget because I was interrupted by my daughter... hmmmm.... 
>> you can't help me with that :-) Oh! MIDI! I have another stack which I 
>> would like to work on which depends on an xcmd (XCMD?) which does a 
>> call to Quicktime to export out a MIDI file. Anyone working on this 
>> kind of stuff?

If your XCMD doesn't work, you might try just issuing AppleScript 
commands to QuickTime Player. I haven't looked, but I suspect Player 
would support this sort of thing.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com

From dsc at swcp.com  Fri Dec 17 11:29:24 2004
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 09:29:24 -0700
Subject: Windows Dos window doesn't work?
In-Reply-To: <1346257708.20041217114333@wanadoo.fr>
References: <3d8af415041215141826868355@mail.gmail.com>
	<3d8af415041215141826868355@mail.gmail.com>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20041216014003.02d6fea8@mail.tweedly.net>
	<55FBEF8E-4F0B-11D9-BB4F-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
	<209091234.20041216111812@wanadoo.fr>
	<B7E12C48-4F9F-11D9-A5F2-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
	<1346257708.20041217114333@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <D0225202-5048-11D9-B04B-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>


On Dec 17, 2004, at 3:43 AM, thierry wrote:

> Dar, could you share one of your script to show where things didn't 
> work ?
> Will be great.

I don't think I have those.  It was long ago and the scripts might have 
been ephemeral anyway.  I didn't even submit error scripts back in 
those days.

One of these days, I may revisit this.

I do remember I tested against ping a lot.  And the program sort some 
concerning the close catch 22.

> Nice  to  talk  of this topic.
> i've got quite few frustrating evenings on this topic :-)

Yeah.

Dar
****************************************
     DSC (Dar Scott Consulting)
     http://www.swcp.com/dsc/
     Programming Services and Software
****************************************


From dougrogers1 at mac.com  Fri Dec 17 11:32:42 2004
From: dougrogers1 at mac.com (doug rogers)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 11:32:42 -0500
Subject: moving content of variable
Message-ID: <465E1C5C-5049-11D9-93BE-0003938CD4F4@mac.com>

Content in a field that I need to pick up and transfer to an 
applescript variable (script as a custom property of the button) then 
send to iCal.

:-) I could do this with globals in HyperCard/Applescript. Revolution, 
understandably doesn't have the commands in it's dictionary which would 
- seemingly do this.

  There is a crack in everything. That's how the light gets in.
__________<http://home.golden.net/~samu>__________


From b.xavier at internet.lu  Fri Dec 17 11:38:51 2004
From: b.xavier at internet.lu (MisterX)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 17:38:51 +0100
Subject: Newbie: find, search command
In-Reply-To: <000e01c4cc2f$c764fcb0$2cf5a4cb@p4c2ghz>
Message-ID: <20041217162935.8B1529300FD@mail.runrev.com>

there's many ways actually...

you can use the LineOffset(string,container,startingline) function

but if you dont care what line it was, check out 

filter alist with "*xmas"

which is much faster and just returns those lines...

You could also repeat for each line, each item but that's not very efficient
after a few 100 lines... 

cheers
Xavier

> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com 
> [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of D.Rothe
> Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 23:58
> To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Subject: Newbie: find, search command
> 
> Hi,
> I have a tab delimited list I want to be able to search, say 
> I have a list of names for example;
> 
> Father Xmas    Is Drunk
> New Years    Is after Xmas
> Rudolph    The Reindeer
> Merry Xmas    To all
> 
> I want to search for ALL instances of Xmas and display the 
> whole matching line of each found in a list field.
> So far I can get it to display the first line only ( Father 
> Xmas    Is Drunk) ! 
> Any help would appreciated!!! I have checked the tutorials 
> for help but couldn't find what I was looking for, is there 
> an example stack or notes anyone may know of?
> 
> Thanks D.Rothe
> 
> 
>  
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From fde101 at fjrhome.net  Fri Dec 17 11:45:05 2004
From: fde101 at fjrhome.net (Frank D. Engel, Jr.)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 11:45:05 -0500
Subject: Network - Running A Standalone Application From A Network Server
In-Reply-To: <BDE8B14C.26185%benr_mc@cogapp.com>
References: <BDE8B14C.26185%benr_mc@cogapp.com>
Message-ID: <0146C9EB-504B-11D9-8A4C-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>

Actually, I don't view this as a limitation at all.  It makes more 
sense this way from the point of view of a typical end user, and I've 
seen people get confused over multiple instances of a program under 
Windows far more often than I'd like.  The behavior Apple specified in 
the Aqua HIGs make for excellent usability.

A single running instance of an App is a feature, not a limitation.

On Dec 17, 2004, at 10:52 AM, Ben Rubinstein wrote:

>
> Ah! That makes sense.  Presumably Apple decided to place the same 
> limitation
> on (the GUI in) X that they had in Classic, to avoid scaring the 
> horses (and
> app developers who might have counted on the previous behaviour). 
> Thanks for
> clearing that up, Frank.
>
>
-----------------------------------------------------------
Frank D. Engel, Jr.  <fde101 at fjrhome.net>

$ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
$ true | cat /usr/manual | grep "John 3:16"
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten 
Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have 
everlasting life.
$



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From dsc at swcp.com  Fri Dec 17 11:53:54 2004
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 09:53:54 -0700
Subject: moving content of variable
In-Reply-To: <465E1C5C-5049-11D9-93BE-0003938CD4F4@mac.com>
References: <465E1C5C-5049-11D9-93BE-0003938CD4F4@mac.com>
Message-ID: <3C5FC8DE-504C-11D9-B04B-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>


On Dec 17, 2004, at 9:32 AM, doug rogers wrote:

> Content in a field that I need to pick up and transfer to an 
> applescript variable (script as a custom property of the button) then 
> send to iCal.

Look at 'do ... as AppleScript'.

Dar
****************************************
     DSC (Dar Scott Consulting)
     http://www.swcp.com/dsc/
     Programming Services and Software
****************************************


From b.xavier at internet.lu  Fri Dec 17 12:04:37 2004
From: b.xavier at internet.lu (MisterX)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 18:04:37 +0100
Subject: revUniqueID
In-Reply-To: <B8EE3274-4FB1-11D9-A5F2-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <20041217165520.A8D1F9300A9@mail.runrev.com>

Hello revGurus and Gods of the IDE,

Does anyone know how the revUniqueID is generated?

Regards,
Xavier


From kaveh at focalimage.com  Fri Dec 17 12:02:13 2004
From: kaveh at focalimage.com (Kaveh Bazargan)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 17:02:13 +0000
Subject: Rotating dial
Message-ID: <p06200724bde8c0ff2b15@[10.0.1.3]>

I need a rotating dial, which is equivalent to a scrollbar, which changes
angle from 0 to 360 according to where the mouse is. Actually, I managed to
make one, using graphics. But I wonder if there is one already done that I
can use, which is in keeping with GUI rules.
-- 

Kaveh Bazargan
http://www.focalimage.com/
http://www.holographer.org/

From b.xavier at internet.lu  Fri Dec 17 12:29:13 2004
From: b.xavier at internet.lu (MisterX)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 18:29:13 +0100
Subject: GM Scanner2.0e improvements
In-Reply-To: <20041216063608.A65289300A9@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <20041217171957.E50369300BB@mail.runrev.com>

Hi everyone,

The persons who downloaded the GM scanner should redownload it again. I've
improved it a bit more, added more explanations.

http://monsieurx.com/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=getit&lid=72

Believe it or not I had 3 controls with GM settings misbehave already! (fix
uploaded yesterday 5pm). 2 of these are my fault for copy pasting and
forgetting about GM settings. That copy paste GM settings feature is nice
but treachourous too, in fact, the third misbehaving control, the about
field, was resized correctly and somehow it resized itself wrong after!
buuh! Asking support for an update was not worth the trouble either! The
only right thing to do that I could find, was to write a fix myself now...

If you think it's not worth the trouble, I believe RunRev 2.5 stacks (or
previous) maybe affected if they use the GM. Im only trying to prevent
support accidents and development barriers. Hence GMScanner also gives you a
way to fix and explains how to avoid the bug.

It you have lots of stacks, i might add a folder and cards scanner for large
stack lists with filtered reports and auto-clearing/navigation. While it's
easy to do, it would cost you less programming time and effort to make a
small 5 euro donation to monsieurx.com to do it for you. ;)

The GM is great and this is not a recommendation not to use it - on the
contrary, it will save you hours of work and it's quite competent for
complex GUIs too! 

Regards,
Xavier


From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Fri Dec 17 12:25:18 2004
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 09:25:18 -0800
Subject: Network - Running A Standalone Application From A Network
 Server
Message-ID: <p06200702bde8c35ceff7@[10.0.1.2]>

"About a half-dozen use the program.."

John, If this is data you share, and it is shared often, you should 
immediately investigate using MYSQL to store your data. Not only will 
it speed up everything when you give everyone their own application 
to run locally, but its built-in record locking and other features 
will protect your data and you could even use the centralized data 
storage for code updates as well -- all scriptable..

MYSQL (and SQL in general) was designed to provide a reliable and 
fast way to exchange data with terminals and computers with low data 
rates. Play around with a free SQL browser and a database and type in 
a few queries to see how easy it works. If one can use filemaker, one 
can use SQL.

There are versions of MYSQL that are open source and run on many 
platforms, so find an old piece of iron and get it running -- or 
check with your ISP, they often have SQL servers included with your 
service. That's even easier, as you don't have to maintain the server.

sqb



>Greetings All,
>
>I have written a standalone estimation package for our company using 
>Revolution. About a half dozen people use the program. We tried 
>putting the app on the company server, but it runs awfully slow. 
>This whole process raises several questions:
>
>1. Can a standalone stack, running on a server, actually be used by 
>more than 1 person at a time without problems?
>
>2. Related Question: When somebody opens this stack on the server. 
>Is it actually running on the stack, or does the program run on the 
>indivual's computer?
>
>3. Related Question: When a person is working on an estimation 
>project, all the values for that project are temporarily stored in 
>various fields within revolution. This info is later saved on a 
>server as a text file. Am I correct in assuming that if more than 1 
>person is running the app off the server, if indeed this is 
>possible, that it could create quite a mess?
>
>4. Related Question: Since this is a new program, I am coming up 
>with a new version at least twice a week. If having several people 
>running the stack off the server is not possible, is there a way to 
>quickly update the stack on everybody's individual computers with a 
>newer version?
>
>I hope all this makes sense.
>
>Kind regards,
>John Miller

From mpetrides at earthlink.net  Fri Dec 17 12:37:37 2004
From: mpetrides at earthlink.net (Marian Petrides)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 12:37:37 -0500
Subject: Last call for revBears before Christmas
In-Reply-To: <BDE856D6.333E7%heather@runrev.com>
References: <BDE856D6.333E7%heather@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <57C6CFEC-5052-11D9-9813-000A959D005E@earthlink.net>

FWIW, Royal Mail works a WHOLE lot better than DHL for shipments to the 
US.

My little beary friend--ordered when Heather first announced them a few 
days ago--just arrived in the middle of nowhere Vermont.  Came neatly 
Christmas wrapped, so I will still have a surprise on Christmas 
morning. :-))))  Considering how long it takes to get US snail mail at 
my place, this delivery was nothing short of amazing, what with having 
to clear customs and all that.

Get 'em while you can!

Marian

On Dec 17, 2004, at 4:26 AM, Heather Nagey wrote:

> Dear list members,
>
> If you want to order a revBear for Christmas, this is positively the 
> last
> call, especially if you live overseas from the UK. You need to order 
> now! We
> still have a handful left but its strictly first come, first served.
>
> www.runrev.com/revbears.php
>
> For your very own lovable coding companion.
>
> Warm regards and Happy Holidays to all
>
> Heather
>
> If you don't want to be on this low traffic list, you can unsubscribe 
> by
> going to http://www.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/revolution. Or email
> support at runrev.com with "unsubscribe announcements" in the subject 
> line.
>
> -- 
>
> ** For a faster response to all licensing, support, and technical 
> issues,
> please now send mail to support at runrev.com **
>
> Heather Nagey ~ heather at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/
> Runtime Revolution - User-Centric Development Tools
> Tel +44 (0) 870 747 1165 Fax +44 (0) 845 4588487
> ~~~ Check our web site for new Revolution editions & special offers ~~~
>


From fde101 at fjrhome.net  Fri Dec 17 13:20:46 2004
From: fde101 at fjrhome.net (Frank D. Engel, Jr.)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 13:20:46 -0500
Subject: Network - Running A Standalone Application From A Network Server
In-Reply-To: <p06200702bde8c35ceff7@[10.0.1.2]>
References: <p06200702bde8c35ceff7@[10.0.1.2]>
Message-ID: <5F3EC52E-5058-11D9-8A4C-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>

You should probably look into PostgreSQL while you are at it too 
(www.postgresql.com), it is also open source, but unlike MySQL, is not 
"open source for non-commercial use" (MySQL has some potential 
licensing issues), but at the same time, PostgreSQL is quite a bit more 
powerful than MySQL.  I'm developing a commercial product around it, 
and have been quite happy with it so far.

On Dec 17, 2004, at 12:25 PM, Stephen Barncard wrote:

> "About a half-dozen use the program.."
>
> John, If this is data you share, and it is shared often, you should 
> immediately investigate using MYSQL to store your data. Not only will 
> it speed up everything when you give everyone their own application to 
> run locally, but its built-in record locking and other features will 
> protect your data and you could even use the centralized data storage 
> for code updates as well -- all scriptable..
>
> MYSQL (and SQL in general) was designed to provide a reliable and fast 
> way to exchange data with terminals and computers with low data rates. 
> Play around with a free SQL browser and a database and type in a few 
> queries to see how easy it works. If one can use filemaker, one can 
> use SQL.
>
> There are versions of MYSQL that are open source and run on many 
> platforms, so find an old piece of iron and get it running -- or check 
> with your ISP, they often have SQL servers included with your service. 
> That's even easier, as you don't have to maintain the server.
>
> sqb
>
>
>
>> Greetings All,
>>
>> I have written a standalone estimation package for our company using 
>> Revolution. About a half dozen people use the program. We tried 
>> putting the app on the company server, but it runs awfully slow. This 
>> whole process raises several questions:
>>
>> 1. Can a standalone stack, running on a server, actually be used by 
>> more than 1 person at a time without problems?
>>
>> 2. Related Question: When somebody opens this stack on the server. Is 
>> it actually running on the stack, or does the program run on the 
>> indivual's computer?
>>
>> 3. Related Question: When a person is working on an estimation 
>> project, all the values for that project are temporarily stored in 
>> various fields within revolution. This info is later saved on a 
>> server as a text file. Am I correct in assuming that if more than 1 
>> person is running the app off the server, if indeed this is possible, 
>> that it could create quite a mess?
>>
>> 4. Related Question: Since this is a new program, I am coming up with 
>> a new version at least twice a week. If having several people running 
>> the stack off the server is not possible, is there a way to quickly 
>> update the stack on everybody's individual computers with a newer 
>> version?
>>
>> I hope all this makes sense.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>> John Miller
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
>
-----------------------------------------------------------
Frank D. Engel, Jr.  <fde101 at fjrhome.net>

$ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
$ true | cat /usr/manual | grep "John 3:16"
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten 
Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have 
everlasting life.
$



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From dougrogers1 at mac.com  Fri Dec 17 13:36:11 2004
From: dougrogers1 at mac.com (doug rogers)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 13:36:11 -0500
Subject: moving content of variable
In-Reply-To: <3C5FC8DE-504C-11D9-B04B-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
References: <465E1C5C-5049-11D9-93BE-0003938CD4F4@mac.com>
	<3C5FC8DE-504C-11D9-B04B-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <8617E56B-505A-11D9-93BE-0003938CD4F4@mac.com>


On 17-Dec-04, at 11:53 AM, Dar Scott wrote:

>> Content in a field that I need to pick up and transfer to an 
>> applescript variable (script as a custom property of the button) then 
>> send to iCal.
>
> Look at 'do ... as AppleScript'.

I've had that panel of the Help documentation open for a few hours now. 
This is how I would have done it in Hypercard...

with TheItems as a global:

tell application "HyperCard" to copy variable "TheItems" to TheItems

as one line of my Applescript.

Which object do I address the copy/set command? Revolution doesn't have 
the dictionary to Get, Set or Copy.


  There is a crack in everything. That's how the light gets in.
__________<http://home.golden.net/~samu>__________


From bvg at mac.com  Fri Dec 17 13:50:23 2004
From: bvg at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 19:50:23 +0100
Subject: ChatRev up again
Message-ID: <81F499DE-505C-11D9-8303-000D932AE9E0@mac.com>

Ups sorry for sending this to the improve list, was a mistake.

> The service provider fixed the issue, and I hope that the chat and 
> homepage will now work as usual.
> Sorry for any inconvenience.

Bjoernke von Gierke

<>()<>()<>()<>()<>()<>()<>()<>()<>()<>()<>

official ChatRev page:
http://chatrev.cjb.net:8080

Chat with other RunRev developers:
go stack URL "http://homepage.mac.com/bvg/chatrev1.2.5.rev"


From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Fri Dec 17 14:18:24 2004
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 19:18:24 +0000
Subject: moving content of variable
In-Reply-To: <8617E56B-505A-11D9-93BE-0003938CD4F4@mac.com>
Message-ID: <BDE8E180.261D2%benr_mc@cogapp.com>

Doug Rogers wrote:
> This is how I would have done it in Hypercard...
> 
> with TheItems as a global:
> 
> tell application "HyperCard" to copy variable "TheItems" to TheItems
> 
> as one line of my Applescript.
> 
> Which object do I address the copy/set command? Revolution doesn't have
> the dictionary to Get, Set or Copy.

Ooh, good question.  For some reason this hasn't come up for me so far in
Rev.  

I never discovered the technique you describe above for HyperCard; I used to
have a couple of functions (or perhaps a function and a handler) in the
stack script, called something like "setHCglobal" and "getHCglobal", and I
called those in an AppleScript.

But I've just tried that method in Rev now, and I get an execution error.
Presumably this is because as you've observed it doesn't have the dictionary
entries.

As it happens I've been able to get away so far with taking an applescript
that has a placeholder, and replacing the placeholder directly with
literals.  But obviously that only works for short values that don't have
any inconvenient characters such as returns or quotes.

I hope someone can up with a good answer to this.
 
  Ben Rubinstein               |  Email: benr_mc at cogapp.com
  Cognitive Applications Ltd   |  Phone: +44 (0)1273-821600
  http://www.cogapp.com        |  Fax  : +44 (0)1273-728866



From dougrogers1 at mac.com  Fri Dec 17 14:32:44 2004
From: dougrogers1 at mac.com (doug rogers)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 14:32:44 -0500
Subject: moving content of variable
In-Reply-To: <BDE8E180.261D2%benr_mc@cogapp.com>
References: <BDE8E180.261D2%benr_mc@cogapp.com>
Message-ID: <6CECA9E0-5062-11D9-93BE-0003938CD4F4@mac.com>


On 17-Dec-04, at 2:18 PM, Ben Rubinstein wrote:

> As it happens I've been able to get away so far with taking an 
> applescript
> that has a placeholder, and replacing the placeholder directly with
> literals.  But obviously that only works for short values that don't 
> have
> any inconvenient characters such as returns or quotes.

This sounds like what I want to do. I have a card field which holds a 
series of text strings separated by returns. I want to grab this and 
put it into my Applescript variable, and the script will turn it into a 
comma delimited string, and follow through to iCal.

Yes. How do I pick up that string of literals. Applescript can't

set theItems to card Field "TheItems"

cause it doesn't know what it is. I need to set the variable from Rev's 
side (?)


  There is a crack in everything. That's how the light gets in.
__________<http://home.golden.net/~samu>__________


From gwalias-rev at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 17 15:04:36 2004
From: gwalias-rev at yahoo.com (Gordon)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 12:04:36 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Protecting your rev apps
In-Reply-To: <41BD56BC.5030604@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <20041217200436.15812.qmail@web51106.mail.yahoo.com>

Dear Revolutionaries

Is there any way to access something like a unique ID
number for the computer currently running the rev app?

It is my understanding that Intel starting giving all
CPUs a unique IDs a few years back, probably to help
MS combat software piracy. I don't whether other chip
makers do the same (AMD for example).

More generally, my question is:

Is there any way of obtaining or generating some kind
of unique ID for an individual computer, for licensing
purposes. I have read a lot of discussion in the rr
archives about using crypto keys and hidden license
files and so on. It seems like getting the CPU ID
(perhaps through the Win API) would be like the best
way to do it.

I had another idea for this - if you write files to a
disk, the exact addresses and distribution of file
fragments will arguably be unique on anything except a
newly formatted disk. To get around even this
limitation, what you could do is use a random number
sequence to generate a whole bunch of random files of
differing lengths and to delete a random subset of
them and expand a random subset of the ones that
remain by a random number of bytes. The remaining
pattern of files on the hard drive would then act as a
kind of digital signature that you make a digest of
using their hardware addresses on the disk (sector and
block numbers) and their random contents. Even if
somebody copied all these files to another computer,
their distribution on the new disk would not be the
same and only by imaging the entire original hard
drive and outputting the result onto another drive,
could you reproduce this (unless you had access to
your hard drive at the hardware level and could write
bit sequences to specific sectors and blocks). You
might even be able to make this tougher to do by
incorporating the index of bad blocks for the original
drive, into the digest. Could such a dsik drive
fingerprint scheme be feasible (or maybe its already
been done)?

Replies to my this and to my original question would
be greatly appreciated.

Best

Gordon


From gwalias-rev at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 17 15:22:51 2004
From: gwalias-rev at yahoo.com (Gordon)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 12:22:51 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Protecting your rev apps
In-Reply-To: <20041217200436.15812.qmail@web51106.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20041217202252.86024.qmail@web51108.mail.yahoo.com>

As a follow-up question - what about using the MAC
address of the network card on your computer. With
enough determination, this can be spoofed - and it
would mean that the app would require the presence of
a network card (but not an internet connection) to run
-  AND you'd need a new key to run your app if you
changed the network card - but no system is foolproof.


Gordon


--- Gordon <gwalias-rev at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Dear Revolutionaries
> 
> Is there any way to access something like a unique
> ID
> number for the computer currently running the rev
> app?
> 
> It is my understanding that Intel starting giving
> all
> CPUs a unique IDs a few years back, probably to help
> MS combat software piracy. I don't whether other
> chip
> makers do the same (AMD for example).
> 
> More generally, my question is:
> t
> Is there any way of obtaining or generating some
> kind
> of unique ID for an individual computer, for
> licensing
> purposes. I have read a lot of discussion in the rr
> archives about using crypto keys and hidden license
> files and so on. It seems like getting the CPU ID
> (perhaps through the Win API) would be like the best
> way to do it.
> 
> I had another idea for this - if you write files to
> a
> disk, the exact addresses and distribution of file
> fragments will arguably be unique on anything except
> a
> newly formatted disk. To get around even this
> limitation, what you could do is use a random number
> sequence to generate a whole bunch of random files
> of
> differing lengths and to delete a random subset of
> them and expand a random subset of the ones that
> remain by a random number of bytes. The remaining
> pattern of files on the hard drive would then act as
> a
> kind of digital signature that you make a digest of
> using their hardware addresses on the disk (sector
> and
> block numbers) and their random contents. Even if
> somebody copied all these files to another computer,
> their distribution on the new disk would not be the
> same and only by imaging the entire original hard
> drive and outputting the result onto another drive,
> could you reproduce this (unless you had access to
> your hard drive at the hardware level and could
> write
> bit sequences to specific sectors and blocks). You
> might even be able to make this tougher to do by
> incorporating the index of bad blocks for the
> original
> drive, into the digest. Could such a dsik drive
> fingerprint scheme be feasible (or maybe its already
> been done)?
> 
> Replies to my this and to my original question would
> be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Best
> 
> Gordon
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> 


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Fri Dec 17 15:24:50 2004
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 12:24:50 -0800
Subject: Applescript error?
In-Reply-To: <41C2F936.3070007@fourthworld.com>
References: <BDE8A609.26169%benr_mc@cogapp.com>
 <41C2F936.3070007@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <1281652255.20041217122450@ahsoftware.net>

Richard-

Friday, December 17, 2004, 7:20:22 AM, you wrote:

RG> More importantly, most of the things folks had to resort to externals to
RG> accomplish in HC are built in with Rev, so with a couple of lines of
RG> revised scripting you can ditch those externals and have the 
RG> functionality you're looking for on all platforms.

This bears repeating. When I started experimenting with rev I
converted some of my old HC stacks with some trepidation, since they
made heavy use of externals to get the required speed from the math
calculations. I was pleased and muchly surprised to find that rev's
internal math handlers were fast enough that I no longer needed to
spawn the tasks out to external handlers.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Dec 17 15:29:46 2004
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 14:29:46 -0600
Subject: moving content of variable
In-Reply-To: <8617E56B-505A-11D9-93BE-0003938CD4F4@mac.com>
References: <465E1C5C-5049-11D9-93BE-0003938CD4F4@mac.com>
	<3C5FC8DE-504C-11D9-B04B-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
	<8617E56B-505A-11D9-93BE-0003938CD4F4@mac.com>
Message-ID: <41C341BA.4070609@hyperactivesw.com>

On 12/17/04 12:36 PM, doug rogers wrote:

> 
> On 17-Dec-04, at 11:53 AM, Dar Scott wrote:
> 
>>> Content in a field that I need to pick up and transfer to an 
>>> applescript variable (script as a custom property of the button) then 
>>> send to iCal.
>>
>>
>> Look at 'do ... as AppleScript'.
> 
> 
> I've had that panel of the Help documentation open for a few hours now. 
> This is how I would have done it in Hypercard...
> 
> with TheItems as a global:
> 
> tell application "HyperCard" to copy variable "TheItems" to TheItems
> 
> as one line of my Applescript.
> 
> Which object do I address the copy/set command? Revolution doesn't have 
> the dictionary to Get, Set or Copy.

I haven't worked much with this, so I'm just guessing, but I bet you 
have to build a statement using "do". For example:

put "tell application" &&quote& "HyperCard" &quote&& "to copy" && 
theItems && "to theItems" into myScript
do myScript as AppleScript

I think that should work. Rev supports only the "dosc" appleevent for 
script executions.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com

From alex at tweedly.net  Fri Dec 17 15:37:52 2004
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 20:37:52 +0000
Subject: Protecting your rev apps
In-Reply-To: <20041217202252.86024.qmail@web51108.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20041217200436.15812.qmail@web51106.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20041217203419.02e3dd78@mail.tweedly.net>

At 12:22 17/12/2004 -0800, Gordon wrote:

>As a follow-up question - what about using the MAC
>address of the network card on your computer. With
>enough determination, this can be spoofed - and it
>would mean that the app would require the presence of
>a network card (but not an internet connection) to run
>-  AND you'd need a new key to run your app if you
>changed the network card - but no system is foolproof.

"enough determination" == 4 clicks and type a new address (give or take a 
click or two - it's been a while since I did it - but it's not hard, and 
there are plenty of legitimate reasons for doing it, so it'snot hard to 
find out how to).
(This only works on some NC cards, but a few years ago it was over 80% - 
don't know current numbers).

-- Alex.

From BNZ2 at CDC.GOV  Fri Dec 17 15:29:53 2004
From: BNZ2 at CDC.GOV (Lynch, Jonathan)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 15:29:53 -0500
Subject: Protecting your rev apps
Message-ID: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A9469E43@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>

If you do ID the original computer - then this creates a potential
problem. What if the user upgrades his computer, and wishes to copy your
software to the new computer, then erase everything on the old computer?
Since the software is licensed to the user, it would still be legitimate
- but the software would think it was pirated.

-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Gordon
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 3:05 PM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Protecting your rev apps

Dear Revolutionaries

Is there any way to access something like a unique ID
number for the computer currently running the rev app?

It is my understanding that Intel starting giving all
CPUs a unique IDs a few years back, probably to help
MS combat software piracy. I don't whether other chip
makers do the same (AMD for example).

More generally, my question is:

Is there any way of obtaining or generating some kind
of unique ID for an individual computer, for licensing
purposes. I have read a lot of discussion in the rr
archives about using crypto keys and hidden license
files and so on. It seems like getting the CPU ID
(perhaps through the Win API) would be like the best
way to do it.

I had another idea for this - if you write files to a
disk, the exact addresses and distribution of file
fragments will arguably be unique on anything except a
newly formatted disk. To get around even this
limitation, what you could do is use a random number
sequence to generate a whole bunch of random files of
differing lengths and to delete a random subset of
them and expand a random subset of the ones that
remain by a random number of bytes. The remaining
pattern of files on the hard drive would then act as a
kind of digital signature that you make a digest of
using their hardware addresses on the disk (sector and
block numbers) and their random contents. Even if
somebody copied all these files to another computer,
their distribution on the new disk would not be the
same and only by imaging the entire original hard
drive and outputting the result onto another drive,
could you reproduce this (unless you had access to
your hard drive at the hardware level and could write
bit sequences to specific sectors and blocks). You
might even be able to make this tougher to do by
incorporating the index of bad blocks for the original
drive, into the digest. Could such a dsik drive
fingerprint scheme be feasible (or maybe its already
been done)?

Replies to my this and to my original question would
be greatly appreciated.

Best

Gordon

_______________________________________________
use-revolution mailing list
use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution

From bill at igame3d.com  Fri Dec 17 16:33:50 2004
From: bill at igame3d.com (william griffin)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 16:33:50 -0500
Subject: rev chat discussions
In-Reply-To: <20041217150405.E47EC93024A@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20041217150405.E47EC93024A@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <57BEE3A6-5073-11D9-8B6F-0030657D0A8E@igame3d.com>


On Dec 17, 2004, at 10:04 AM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com 
wrote:
> Message: 16
> Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 14:35:55 +0100
> From: Mark Schonewille <europe at ehug.info>
> Subject: Re: rev chat disconnected

> I'm replying to the list because you wrote to the list.
Rev Needs Forums, its as simple as that.
>

> The client and the server we both created before Andr? released
> libNetServices. Besides, I don't think that libNetServices is
> compatible with the ChatRev protocol.
>
> Best,
>
> Mark

I don't think compatibility would be a problem if you use each 
protocol/tech
for what you need to do, one opens port for chat server, other opens 
port
for web server.
Such processes could continue ...until..how many ports are there? 
32767? 65534?
Integrating web server and chat client (browser chat client), is up to 
the ambitious
developer. Live online chat based internet tech/sales support is making 
a friend of ours a bunch
of money in the PHP arena.

Mr Bill

From dougrogers1 at mac.com  Fri Dec 17 16:35:22 2004
From: dougrogers1 at mac.com (doug rogers)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 16:35:22 -0500
Subject: moving content of variable
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On 17-Dec-04, at 3:29 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

>> Which object do I address the copy/set command? Revolution doesn't 
>> have the dictionary to Get, Set or Copy.
>
> I haven't worked much with this, so I'm just guessing, but I bet you 
> have to build a statement using "do". For example:
>
> put "tell application" &&quote& "HyperCard" &quote&& "to copy" && 
> theItems && "to theItems" into myScript
> do myScript as AppleScript
>
> I think that should work. Rev supports only the "dosc" appleevent for 
> script executions.

:-) There is light at the end of this tunnel... but I can't tell if 
it's the exit or an oncoming train :-)

babbling on...

the 'tell application Hypercard' etc works just fine and it explains 
why HyperCard was launching when called from the script from 
Revolution, but at this point, HyperCard doesn't know anything about 
the variable because all the content is in Revolution. How do I get it 
out of Rev and into the applescript variable?

tell application "Revolution" to copy card field "theItems" to theItems

would be ideal.

and even if I wrote a script in Transcript and called it from 
Applescript as a dosc event, still doesn't transfer the content of the 
variable (?)

perhaps some kind of function, parameters, or clipboard thing....

so I've tried setting the clipboarddata["text"], but the applescript 
balks at getting the clipboard, or I am not calling the applescript 
correctly.

The Transcript:

on mouseUp
put card field "TheItems" into TheItems
answer TheItems &&"1" -- just to test that it was working
repeat while last char of TheItems is return
delete last char of TheItems
end repeat
set the clipboardData["text"] to TheItems
--tell application "HyperCard" to copy variable "TheItems" to TheItems
-- was launching HyperCard in Classic, perhaps responsible for Rev's 
crashes
do card field "TheItems" as Applescript
--do the SendListToiCal of me as applescript -- don't know if this 
works as I am working with the card field script
put empty into TheItems
put empty into card fld "TheItems"
end mouseUp

  the Applescript:

display dialog the clipboard & " 2" --nada no response nothing
--set TheItems to the clipboard
--display dialog TheItems &" 3"

set AppleScript's text item delimiters to {return} --probably have to 
deal; with this 10/13 thing later
set TheItems to text items of TheItems
set AppleScript's text item delimiters to {","}
set TheItems to text items of TheItems
set AppleScript's text item delimiters to {""}

tell application "iCal"
	repeat with m from 1 to (count of TheItems)
		set the NewToDo to make new todo at the end of the todos of the 
calendar 5 with properties {due date:(current date), priority:3, 
summary:(item m of TheItems)}
	end repeat
end tell


  There is a crack in everything. That's how the light gets in.
__________<http://home.golden.net/~samu>__________


From rjb at rz.uni-potsdam.de  Fri Dec 17 16:48:51 2004
From: rjb at rz.uni-potsdam.de (Robert Brenstein)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 22:48:51 +0100
Subject: moving content of variable
In-Reply-To: <8E4B998C-5073-11D9-93BE-0003938CD4F4@mac.com>
References: <465E1C5C-5049-11D9-93BE-0003938CD4F4@mac.com>
 <3C5FC8DE-504C-11D9-B04B-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
 <8617E56B-505A-11D9-93BE-0003938CD4F4@mac.com>
 <41C341BA.4070609@hyperactivesw.com>
 <8E4B998C-5073-11D9-93BE-0003938CD4F4@mac.com>
Message-ID: <a06110412bde903af5424@[141.89.100.235]>

>>put "tell application" &&quote& "HyperCard" &quote&& "to copy" && 
>>theItems && "to theItems" into myScript
>>do myScript as AppleScript
>>
>>I think that should work. Rev supports only the "dosc" appleevent 
>>for script executions.
>
>:-) There is light at the end of this tunnel... but I can't tell if 
>it's the exit or an oncoming train :-)

Is there a reason that you must use AppleScript for this? Since iCalc 
accepts appleevents, you could try using the "send to program" 
command to pass the stuff directly from Rev to iCalc.

Robert Brenstein

From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Fri Dec 17 17:09:45 2004
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 22:09:45 +0000
Subject: moving content of variable
In-Reply-To: <8E4B998C-5073-11D9-93BE-0003938CD4F4@mac.com>
Message-ID: <BDE909A9.261F4%benr_mc@cogapp.com>

I've made some progress here.  You may not be able to do copy, set, or get
to Revolution (though I suspect you should be able to); but you can do "do
script" and "evaluate".

I think you ought to be able to do something along the lines of

    tell application "Revolution"
        evaluate "global gBlah; get gBlah"
        set x to the result
    end tell

and hence copy the value of a Rev global variable to a variable in
AppleScript.... but I've not managed to do so.  Perhaps I just haven't
stumbled upon the right way to approach it.

Nor have I been able to use the equivalent of my old HyperCard trick,
invoking a function or handler to set or get a value.  I think this may be
because the default stack in this instance is not necessarily the one you
first thought of.

So it seems - at least without further research - that you're limited to
built in functions, and/or expressions which permit specifying a particular
stack.

However, what I have been able to do is read custom properties.  This works:

    tell application "Revolution"
        evaluate "the uTempStorage of stack \"MyStack\""
        set x to the result
    end tell

So it is at least possible to move a complex string from Revolution to an
AppleScript variable.  (Presumably it would also be possible to refer to a
field in the same way.)

I've not yet established a way to move a complex value back.   It is of
course possible to move one complex value back, in that Rev can get the
result of invoking an AppleScript; however, if the AppleScript needs to
return multiple values, you might have to combine them with some delimiter.
But I think we have at least the basics, even if it's not very elegant.

It would certainly be preferable to able to use set/copy/get.

(BTW,, if you get into this, one gotcha you should be aware of: in
AppleScript, 'return' is the character with code 13 ('\r').  In Transcript,
it is the character with code 10 ('\n', linefeed).  I have come to accept
that this was a reasonable design decision; but what I still find insane is
that Transcript has introduced a new constant 'CR', which has the same
value.  (CRLF, on the other hand, has the value '\n\r').  There is no
constant that has the value '\r'.  You'll need to do something like "replace
return with numtochar(13) in x' on the way into AppleScript, and "replace
numtochar(13) with return in x" on the way out.)
 
  Ben Rubinstein               |  Email: benr_mc at cogapp.com
  Cognitive Applications Ltd   |  Phone: +44 (0)1273-821600
  http://www.cogapp.com        |  Fax  : +44 (0)1273-728866


From drothe at optusnet.com.au  Fri Dec 17 17:20:24 2004
From: drothe at optusnet.com.au (D.Rothe)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 08:20:24 +1000
Subject: Newbie: find, search command
References: <20041217170013.B00FF930277@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <002601c4e486$9bfe2050$0ff6a4cb@p4c2ghz>


Thanx for all the help! The following method was spot on, as for the cr showing a blank line 
at the end of the field I simply used "filter theField without empty".

on mouseUp
do FindData(tString, tData)
end mouseUp

function FindData pStringToFind, pDataToSearch
repeat for each line tLine in pDataToSearch
if pStringToFind is in tLine then put tLine & cr after tFoundData
end repeat
put tFoundData into fld "List"
filter fld "List" without empty
end FindData

D.Rothe

> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 10:12:17 -0500
> From: "Frank D. Engel, Jr." <fde101 at fjrhome.net>
> Subject: Re: Newbie: find, search command
> To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Message-ID: <0A93CC3B-503E-11D9-8A4C-0050E410655F at fjrhome.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed

> Yes, but a cr at the end will show a blank line at the end of a field.  
> Remember that list boxes are fields, and the selectable lines are lines 
> of text from the field.  Since you can hit return/enter and add a blank 
> line at the end of the field and have it displayed, you will also see a 
> blank line at the end of a list box.
> 
> The original poster specifically stated that he wished to display these 
> results in a list box (which is a field), so this is definitely an 
> issue for him.  Trust me, it took me a while to work this one out 
> myself, and I've been using something similar quite heavily (although I 
> let PostgreSQL do most of my sorts and searches for me -- I just format 
> the results...)
> 
> On Dec 16, 2004, at 9:43 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
> 
> > On 12/16/04 5:42 PM, Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote:
> >
> >> Except that you need to delete the last "cr" before putting it into 
> >> the list, or you will have a blank line at the bottom; just add one 
> >> line to the code:
> >>> function FindData pStringToFind, pDataToSearch
> >>>   repeat for each line tLine in pDataToSearch
> >>>      if pStringToFind is in tLine then put tLine &cr after tFoundData
> >>>   end repeat
> >>   delete the last char of tFoundData
> >>>   return tFoundData
> >>> end FindData
> >
> > Sometimes, but it depends on what you're doing. Revolution is 
> > forgiving enough that a lot of the time it doesn't matter. For 
> > example, "the number of lines" will return the same number whether the 
> > carriage return is at the end or not.
> >
> > This has come up before, and it isn't a bug, it's a feature. Commas 
> > work the same way.
> >
> >
> >> On Dec 16, 2004, at 6:32 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> >>> D.Rothe wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Hi,
> >>>> I have a tab delimited list I want to be able to search, say I have 
> >>>> a list of names for example;
> >>>> Father Xmas    Is Drunk
> >>>> New Years    Is after Xmas
> >>>> Rudolph    The Reindeer
> >>>> Merry Xmas    To all
> >>>> I want to search for ALL instances of Xmas and display the whole 
> >>>> matching line of each found in a list field.
> >>>> So far I can get it to display the first line only ( Father Xmas    
> >>>> Is Drunk) ! Any help would appreciated!!! I have checked the 
> >>>> tutorials for help but couldn't find what I was looking for,
> >>>> is there an example stack or notes anyone may know of?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> For short lists (<50,000 lines) you may be pleasantly surprised by 
> >>> the speed of what might look like clunkly Transcript:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> function FindData pStringToFind, pDataToSearch
> >>>   repeat for each line tLine in pDataToSearch
> >>>      if pStringToFind is in tLine then put tLine &cr after tFoundData
> >>>   end repeat
> >>>   return tFoundData
> >>> end FindData
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> You can call it simply enough:
> >>>
> >>> on mouseUp
> >>>   put FindData("Xmas", fld "stuff")
> >>> end mouseUp
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -- 
> >>>  Richard Gaskin
> >>>  Fourth World Media Corporation

From Cubist at aol.com  Fri Dec 17 17:51:27 2004
From: Cubist at aol.com (Cubist at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 17:51:27 -0500
Subject: Protecting your Rev apps
Message-ID: <16919E4F.404D3EC4.00048C52@aol.com>

   IMAO, improving your app's features/interface/etc is a far better use of your time and effort than working out elaborate copy-protection schemes that (a) won't work anyway and (b) will piss off your legitimate users. The question is, do you want to focus your efforts on the people who are willing to pay you if your app does what they want, or on the people who will (in all probability) *never* pay you no matter *what* you do?
   Yes, software piracy is annoying. And yes, it would be a Good Thing if nobody pirated software. So what? Lots of annoying things happen, and software piracy is one of them. Deal with it.

From kee at kagi.com  Fri Dec 17 19:11:30 2004
From: kee at kagi.com (kee nethery)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 16:11:30 -0800
Subject: Protecting your Rev apps
In-Reply-To: <16919E4F.404D3EC4.00048C52@aol.com>
References: <16919E4F.404D3EC4.00048C52@aol.com>
Message-ID: <5E29DB92-5089-11D9-9AB9-000A959B2940@kagi.com>

Some of the more successful software Kagi sells has some of the lamest 
protection mechanisms. The successful software authors focus on getting 
people to to use their software, not on getting people to not use their 
software.

Just my 2 cents,
Kee Nethery


On Dec 17, 2004, at 2:51 PM, Cubist at aol.com wrote:

>    IMAO, improving your app's features/interface/etc is a far better 
> use of your time and effort than working out elaborate copy-protection 
> schemes that (a) won't work anyway and (b) will piss off your 
> legitimate users. The question is, do you want to focus your efforts 
> on the people who are willing to pay you if your app does what they 
> want, or on the people who will (in all probability) *never* pay you 
> no matter *what* you do?
>    Yes, software piracy is annoying. And yes, it would be a Good Thing 
> if nobody pirated software. So what? Lots of annoying things happen, 
> and software piracy is one of them. Deal with it.
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> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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From alex at tweedly.net  Fri Dec 17 18:50:12 2004
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 23:50:12 +0000
Subject: Newbie find, search command reprise ...
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20041217231912.02ea9e78@pop3.btinternet.com>


Earlier this week, it was said:

> > I want to search for ALL instances of Xmas and display the whole
> > matching line of each found in a list field.
> > So far I can get it to display the first line only ( Father Xmas    Is
> > Drunk) !
> > Any help would appreciated!!! I have checked the tutorials for help
> > but couldn't find what I was looking for,
> > is there an example stack or notes anyone may know of?
> >
>The filter command is the fastest method, but be careful as it is a
>destructive search i.e. it deletes the liens that don't match, so copy
>your original data into a variable, filter that and keep the original
>intact.

and a few people said minor variations on this; summary of them being that 
"filter" was fastest, though not always most convenient.

Well, it ain't always so.

I ran into some performance issues with my latest app this evening - 
something that I expected to be almost instantaneous took a long time. I 
assumed it was just a bug, but eventually convinced myself it wasn't - it 
was just taking too long. So I looked more closely at the parts where I was 
using "filter" quite heavily.

Input data : 10,000 lines, 1.5 Mb; the lines are all much the same size.
Search data: fairly long strings (32 characters each).
Success rate: each string happens between 2 and 5 times in the input.

In this case, "filter" appeared to be really, horribly slow - so I came up 
with a simple benchmark to check it.

on mouseUp
   put the millisecs into tStartTime
   set the itemDel to TAB
   repeat 4 times
     put gFiles into tFList
     filter tFList with "*cb2f8d231f68c5d70b3e62ed0a3c4c8f*"
   end repeat
   put "took " & the millisecs - tStartTime && the number of lines in 
tFList & cr & tFList & cr after msg

   put the millisecs into tStartTime
   put empty into fList
   repeat 4 times
     repeat for each line L in gFilesput gFiles into tFList
       if  "cb2f8d231f68c5d70b3e62ed0a3c4c8f" is in L then put L & CR after 
tFList
     end repeat
   end repeat
   put "took " & the millisecs - tStartTime && the number of lines in 
tFList & cr & tFList & cr after msg


The first version took 800 msec, while the second one took less than 1 msec.

I thought it must be because of the need to copy the input string to avoid 
destroying it (though I do need to do that in the real example), so I 
modified it to

   put gFiles into tFList1
   put gFiles into tFList2
   put gFiles into tFList3
   put gFiles into tFList4
   put the millisecs into tStartTime
   set the itemDel to TAB
   filter tFList1 with "*" & "cb2f8d231f68c5d70b3e62ed0a3c4c8f" & "*"
   filter tFList2 with "*" & "cb2f8d231f68c5d70b3e62ed0a3c4c8f" & "*"
   filter tFList3 with "*" & "cb2f8d231f68c5d70b3e62ed0a3c4c8f" & "*"
   filter tFList4 with "*" & "cb2f8d231f68c5d70b3e62ed0a3c4c8f" & "*"
   put "took " & the millisecs - tStartTime && the number of lines in 
tFList & cr after msg

Note that the time reported excludes the four copies; this still took 760 ms.

So at least in some (reasonable) cases, filter is far from being the 
fastest.  I suspect that the offset method Jacqueline suggested would be 
even faster - but since it was already less than 1 millisec I didn't pursue 
that thought.

-- Alex.

From drothe at optusnet.com.au  Fri Dec 17 22:37:15 2004
From: drothe at optusnet.com.au (D.Rothe)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 13:37:15 +1000
Subject: revForum
Message-ID: <000801c4e4b2$df162aa0$3ff6a4cb@p4c2ghz>

Hi all,
New revForum bulletin board just launched, we need your feedback and suggestions to make it grow into 
a useful forum for all rev users to benefit from!
go to http://www.predance.com.au/cgi-bin/revforum/YaBB.cgi to visit, don't mind the strange URL but we are borrowing 
server space at the moment!

Best Regards to all.....

revForum

From kray at sonsothunder.com  Fri Dec 17 23:22:10 2004
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 22:22:10 -0600
Subject: Newbie: find, search command
In-Reply-To: <002601c4e486$9bfe2050$0ff6a4cb@p4c2ghz>
Message-ID: <BDE90C92.B4E6%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 12/17/04 4:20 PM, "D.Rothe" <drothe at optusnet.com.au> wrote:

> 
> Thanx for all the help! The following method was spot on, as for the cr
> showing a blank line
> at the end of the field I simply used "filter theField without empty".

That's brilliant! I didn't even know that "filter theField without empty"
would work to remove blank lines in a string...cool!

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From dougrogers1 at mac.com  Fri Dec 17 23:23:39 2004
From: dougrogers1 at mac.com (doug rogers)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 23:23:39 -0500
Subject: moving content of variable
In-Reply-To: <a06110412bde903af5424@[141.89.100.235]>
References: <465E1C5C-5049-11D9-93BE-0003938CD4F4@mac.com>
	<3C5FC8DE-504C-11D9-B04B-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
	<8617E56B-505A-11D9-93BE-0003938CD4F4@mac.com>
	<41C341BA.4070609@hyperactivesw.com>
	<8E4B998C-5073-11D9-93BE-0003938CD4F4@mac.com>
	<a06110412bde903af5424@[141.89.100.235]>
Message-ID: <97BEFEA6-50AC-11D9-93BE-0003938CD4F4@mac.com>


On 17-Dec-04, at 4:48 PM, Robert Brenstein wrote:

> Is there a reason that you must use AppleScript for this?

:-) Because it is already written....

> Since iCal accepts appleevents, you could try using the "send to 
> program" command to pass the stuff directly from Rev to iCal.

  I thought that I might also try this


  There is a crack in everything. That's how the light gets in.
__________<http://home.golden.net/~samu>__________


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Sat Dec 18 01:42:04 2004
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 00:42:04 -0600
Subject: moving content of variable
In-Reply-To: <8E4B998C-5073-11D9-93BE-0003938CD4F4@mac.com>
Message-ID: <BDE92D5C.B4F5%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 12/17/04 3:35 PM, "doug rogers" <dougrogers1 at mac.com> wrote:

> 
> On 17-Dec-04, at 3:29 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
> 
>>> Which object do I address the copy/set command? Revolution doesn't
>>> have the dictionary to Get, Set or Copy.
>> 
>> I haven't worked much with this, so I'm just guessing, but I bet you
>> have to build a statement using "do". For example:
>> 
>> put "tell application" &&quote& "HyperCard" &quote&& "to copy" &&
>> theItems && "to theItems" into myScript
>> do myScript as AppleScript
>> 
>> I think that should work. Rev supports only the "dosc" appleevent for
>> script executions.
> 
> :-) There is light at the end of this tunnel... but I can't tell if
> it's the exit or an oncoming train :-)

Try this... put this in a button:

on mouseUp
  put "Call Mom,Buy groceries" into tSubjects
  put "3" into tPriority
  
  put "tell application `iCal`" & cr & \
      "copy `"  & tSubjects & "` to TheItems" & cr & \
      "set AppleScript's text item delimiters to {`,`}" & cr & \
      "set TheItems to text items of TheItems" & cr & \
      "repeat with m from 1 to (count of TheItems)" & cr & \
      "set the NewToDo to make new todo at the end of the todos" && \
      "of the calendar 1 with properties {due date:(current date)," && \
      "priority:" & tPriority & ", summary:(item m of TheItems)}" & cr & \
      "end repeat" & cr & \
      "end tell" into tAS
  
  replace "`" with quote in tAS
  do tAS as AppleScript
end mouseUp

This is how I work with AppleScript - I substitute left angle quotes for
real quotation marks while building the script and replace them with quotes
later, and I try to format it with the same line breaks as it would be if it
were being typed (note the \ line continuation characters).

Hope this gives you some insight on how to work with AppleScript in Rev...

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From b.xavier at internet.lu  Sat Dec 18 01:49:36 2004
From: b.xavier at internet.lu (MisterX)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 07:49:36 +0100
Subject: Rotating dial
In-Reply-To: <p06200724bde8c0ff2b15@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <20041218064018.6B99D930067@mail.runrev.com>

Kaveh,

http://monsieurx.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=164

has what you need. 

cheers
Xavier 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com 
> [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of 
> Kaveh Bazargan
> Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 18:02
> To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Subject: Rotating dial
> 
> I need a rotating dial, which is equivalent to a scrollbar, 
> which changes angle from 0 to 360 according to where the 
> mouse is. Actually, I managed to make one, using graphics. 
> But I wonder if there is one already done that I can use, 
> which is in keeping with GUI rules.
> -- 
> 
> Kaveh Bazargan
> http://www.focalimage.com/
> http://www.holographer.org/
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From b.xavier at internet.lu  Sat Dec 18 02:35:49 2004
From: b.xavier at internet.lu (MisterX)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 08:35:49 +0100
Subject: Protecting your Rev apps - freeware options
In-Reply-To: <5E29DB92-5089-11D9-9AB9-000A959B2940@kagi.com>
Message-ID: <20041218072630.545DC930067@mail.runrev.com>


Just a couple notes on my experience.
- Freeware is not rewarded usually.
- Shareware neither
- blocking features = more problems in maintenance
- a demo, light and pro version seems better for all purposes (or budgets)

If you want protection for your efforts, leave the demo downloads and wait
for a pro version purchase request. By far the best examples among many
disable save and print (output) features. They dont block the user from
seeing or using the software and if they really need to save they simply
pay.

But anti piracy features are ALL futile. There isn't one I haven't seen
busted whether hardcoded or based on a physical (CD or dongle) protection or
a serial number. Look at DVD regions and protections - millions wasted in
research for nothing except less sales, disapointed customers who can't play
their dvds, incompatible (obsolete) dvd players, and so on...

I tried the freeware path. Then the shareware path. Im still trying to get a
second paypal donations after months of releases, improvements of many
freewares and sharewares.

The economics of it is sad. In the end, the freeware or shareware author
gets discouraged, changes market or builds limited demos and builds less
free features so the yellow leeches end up loosing anyway! In the end the
leech pays more in effort and time than they would have if they had donated
even just a simple burger menu for the author which would have kept the free
flow of free software - usually better featured than most commercial
softwares!

As many other freeware authors, they give ya instant free software, free
updates, free support, quick feedback and fixes where as commercial products
demand support fees or paying upgrades. Which is more expensive? Plus if you
need a feature, just asking or supporting the user gets you that feature
quite fast - compare THAT to commercial software anytime!

Personally, im quite impressed with how Flstudio.com did it. FruityLoops is
a music hypercard (forget midi software for RunRev!) built over Delphi (PC
only) for music production (GarageBand is just a lame lame music box
compared. They have a free fully working demo (no save) on Tucows. Once you
buy it, all updates are free! You can purchase new plug-ins when they are
released and add them to the whole (eg VSTs or DX effects or synthesizers).
The best of it all is that all updates are also free! They have 3 forums for
chat, files and tech. They are truely formidable and selling extremely well!
Their company started also like RunRev! The music business in this case is
quite like RunRev... 

Last but not least, sponsoring freeware authors also increases greatly their
motivations to make more and better software than what's available.
Remember, the best things in life are free. Your donation is just an
opportunity cost between money your would just waste any day on a wimsy
gadget and better software you could use to improve your computer toolset
the rest of your life and literally for free!

Currently Im going to stop doing freeware and work on better paying
solutions. I will bring out less nitrous plugs in (except in my tool chest
where they currently sprouting like mushrooms!) Maybe later there will be
more utilities seeking users wanting to help out but right now, the best
solution seems to create real executables that you can dump on tucows, and
the larger public.

Imagine I have a lego box. If you contribute to it, you can play with it. It
costs you a few lego pieces only. Then instead of playing with your punny
300 pieces you can play with everyone pieces! Interestingly simple and
devilish metaphor i think because if that was applied to science instead of
patent protection, the sharks leeching on the system and market wouldn't
raise the cost of products and taxes to support the bureaucracy behind.
That's just an iceberg tip in an artic ocean...

Xavier
HyperEconomist too ;)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com 
> [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of 
> kee nethery
> Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 01:12
> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: Re: Protecting your Rev apps
> 
> Some of the more successful software Kagi sells has some of 
> the lamest protection mechanisms. The successful software 
> authors focus on getting people to to use their software, not 
> on getting people to not use their software.
> 
> Just my 2 cents,
> Kee Nethery
> 
> 
> On Dec 17, 2004, at 2:51 PM, Cubist at aol.com wrote:
> 
> >    IMAO, improving your app's features/interface/etc is a 
> far better 
> > use of your time and effort than working out elaborate 
> copy-protection 
> > schemes that (a) won't work anyway and (b) will piss off your 
> > legitimate users. The question is, do you want to focus 
> your efforts 
> > on the people who are willing to pay you if your app does what they 
> > want, or on the people who will (in all probability) 
> *never* pay you 
> > no matter *what* you do?
> >    Yes, software piracy is annoying. And yes, it would be a 
> Good Thing 
> > if nobody pirated software. So what? Lots of annoying 
> things happen, 
> > and software piracy is one of them. Deal with it.
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-revolution mailing list
> > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> >
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> 


From mcdomi at free.fr  Sat Dec 18 05:30:13 2004
From: mcdomi at free.fr (Dom)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 11:30:13 +0100
Subject: What's a function
In-Reply-To: <41BD2975.1000304@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <1gozmib.ok2dtd8bwe16M%mcdomi@free.fr>

J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:

> <http://www.hyperactivesw.com/functions.html>
> 
> This is specifically aimed at new Transcripters, so I've tried to keep
> the jargon to a minimum and the example handlers a bit more verbose.

Good, for newbies *and* for not so-newbies!
By the way, the page title is always "Polling the mouse" ;-)

-- 


From mcdomi at free.fr  Sat Dec 18 06:22:07 2004
From: mcdomi at free.fr (Dom)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 12:22:07 +0100
Subject: What's a function
In-Reply-To: <41BD2975.1000304@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <1gozoux.1vhggj61fcfw3lM%mcdomi@free.fr>

J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:

> I said elsewhere that I'd post my article about the differences between
> a function and a command handler.

You say in this page:

<< If we want to know the number of cards, we pass "cards" to the
function this way:
the number of cards
 which can also be written:
number(cards)
 Revolution then goes through the stack and adds all the cards to get a
total, which is sent back to your script.>>

Does really Revolution go to the stack and *count* the cards?
If a stack is in memory, I thought that the number of cards is written
down somewhere in the stack... really, not?
And so, for the number of controls??

-- 


From david at anon.nu  Sat Dec 18 08:33:27 2004
From: david at anon.nu (david at anon.nu)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 13:33:27 +0000
Subject: Database Problem
Message-ID: <41C431A7.9020400@anon.nu>

Having some problems using a legacy Access database - connecting via 
ODBC. Got quite far but having problems updating records. The problem 
seems to be due to the fact that the table name is two words long and 
the automatic database functions can't handle this (at least for ODBC). 
Trying single and double quoting of the database name but with mixed 
results - anyone had these problems?

From david at openpartnership.net  Sat Dec 18 08:36:03 2004
From: david at openpartnership.net (David Bovill)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 13:36:03 +0000
Subject: Database Problem
In-Reply-To: <41C431A7.9020400@anon.nu>
References: <41C431A7.9020400@anon.nu>
Message-ID: <41C43243.7090203@openpartnership.net>

I'm having the same problem :)

From malte.brill at t-online.de  Sat Dec 18 10:07:27 2004
From: malte.brill at t-online.de (malte.brill at t-online.de)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 16:07:27 +0100
Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?The_game_I=B4ve_been_talkin?=
 =?iso-8859-1?q?g_about_for_so_long=2E=2E=2E_=3B-=29?=
In-Reply-To: <20041217220508.1BA27930231@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20041217220508.1BA27930231@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <1CfgB5-1EgAYi0@filter10.bbul.t-online.de>

Hi list!

I?ve been very quite the last few weeks. I?m on dial up until february
as I am moving and sorrowly can?t keep up with the traffic on the list.
I just want to let you know that I?ve uploaded the final version of the
game I?ve shown on Malta to my server.

mac classic:

http://www.derbrill.com/game_final/tt_classic.sit

OsX

http://www.derbrill.com/game_final/tt_osx.zip

Windows:

http://www.derbrill.com/game_final/tt_setup.exe

Each file is about 10 Megabytes. This is the most complex project I ever
did in Rev. It makes heavy use of libRMC. So if you want to see the
library in action please look at the game. ;-)
If you need a cheat drop me a line off list to my account
info at derbrill.de

Also a shameless plug: 
I have no current projects pending. So if anyone of you is looking for
an experienced multimedia producer who knows how to use Final Cut Pro,
After Effects, Photoshop, Protools, and many other Audio Tools and of
course Revolution, or is willing to sponsor the next game please drop me
a line.

Best,

Malte




From dougrogers1 at mac.com  Sat Dec 18 10:10:44 2004
From: dougrogers1 at mac.com (doug rogers)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 10:10:44 -0500
Subject: moving content of variable
In-Reply-To: <BDE92D5C.B4F5%kray@sonsothunder.com>
References: <BDE92D5C.B4F5%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <FD84EC56-5106-11D9-93BE-0003938CD4F4@mac.com>

On 18-Dec-04, at 1:42 AM, Ken Ray wrote:

>> :-) There is light at the end of this tunnel... but I can't tell if
>> it's the exit or an oncoming train :-)
>
> Try this... put this in a button:
>
> on mouseUp
>   put "Call Mom,Buy groceries" into tSubjects
>   put "3" into tPriority
>
>   put "tell application `iCal`" & cr & \
>       "copy `"  & tSubjects & "` to TheItems" & cr & \
>       "set AppleScript's text item delimiters to {`,`}" & cr & \
>       "set TheItems to text items of TheItems" & cr & \
>       "repeat with m from 1 to (count of TheItems)" & cr & \
>       "set the NewToDo to make new todo at the end of the todos" && \
>       "of the calendar 1 with properties {due date:(current date)," && 
> \
>       "priority:" & tPriority & ", summary:(item m of TheItems)}" & cr 
> & \
>       "end repeat" & cr & \
>       "end tell" into tAS
>
>   replace "`" with quote in tAS
>   do tAS as AppleScript
> end mouseUp
>
> This is how I work with AppleScript - I substitute left angle quotes 
> for
> real quotation marks while building the script and replace them with 
> quotes
> later, and I try to format it with the same line breaks as it would be 
> if it
> were being typed (note the \ line continuation characters).
>
> Hope this gives you some insight on how to work with AppleScript in 
> Rev...

  AAAaaaah! the ancient spaghetti script technique. Thank you Sensei!



  There is a crack in everything. That's how the light gets in.
__________<http://home.golden.net/~samu>__________


From kee at kagi.com  Sat Dec 18 12:20:07 2004
From: kee at kagi.com (kee nethery)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 09:20:07 -0800
Subject: Protecting your Rev apps - freeware options
In-Reply-To: <20041218072630.545DC930067@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20041218072630.545DC930067@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <1096BA94-5119-11D9-BC2F-000A959B2940@kagi.com>

It is my experience that "try before you buy" software can be extremely 
profitable. The successful authors have a mindset that fosters 
profitability. Here is what I have seen that works.

1. Go for the biggest potential audience you can find.

Screen savers can be purchased by anyone so, 100% of your chosen 
computing platform is your potential market. Screen savers are not 
technically challenging so there is lots of competition. Alternatively, 
the market for a midi controller for a specific keyboard is limited 
people who have that keyboard on the computing platform you have 
chosen. That market might if you are lucky be 0.01% of all people on 
your platform. But then there will be little competition in that market 
space. Assume you sell to 1 person out of a thousand who tries your 
software

something that the majority of the computer users could use:
(total computer owners for your platform) * 100% /1000 = a substantial 
number
versus something with a very limited audience:
(total computer owners for your platform) * 0.01%/1000 = a number small 
enough to count on your fingers

2. Focus on gaining users, not on limiting usage.

An hour spent promoting your software to magazine editors and user 
groups is more profitable than an hour spent on encrypting your 
software from pirates. You want people to use your software whether 
they pay or not. You want feedback. You want your app used by many many 
people and you want them to help you figure out what combination of 
features is compelling for them and their friends.

If you give away your first release, make sure you gather the emails of 
all your users. You want to query them, get their feedback, and 
eventually market your 2.0 release to them. Make sure your first 
release free software expires periodically so that they have to 
download the latest version and you get to keep track of them. You are 
trading free software for market data and market share. When your 
market is big enough, stop releasing free versions and release a 
professional looking version that costs money. Let the free versions 
die off and make it easy for free users to grab the latest version that 
costs money.

3. For your try-before-you-buy software, think addiction.

You want your software to be compelling enough for people to spend 
their valuable time getting to know it, how it works, all the cool 
things it does. You also want them to get hooked on it. You want them 
to get to the spot where they cannot imagine removing it from their 
desktop. I do not believe that time limits are a good thing. If I have 
a limited number of days to try out some software, I know that I should 
not get too attached to it because odds are I will not end up buying 
it. If it has functionality forever, then it's worth exploring and 
using. So how do you give it away forever and make money on it? 
Remember, the drug dealer's motto, the first one's free. Let people get 
some value from it on an ongoing basis but if they want to go over a 
threshold, that is when they need to pay.

For example, a free server product that works great and is completely 
free for 20 users. You want to add the 21st user, that will cost you. 
But then, you already have 20 users who utilize the server and 
convincing management to pay for it is no longer an issue.

How about another example, a midi controller for a specific keyboard. 
Maybe your software manages 20 midi sequences and the total play time 
for all sequences together is 10 minutes. A musician can do a great 
deal in 10 minutes with 20 sequences but if they want 21 sequences or 
more than a total of 10 minutes, they need to pay. But then if they 
need to exceed those limits, they already know they need the software.

4. Have other people want to promote your product

Adobe products have plugins. Everyone that sells a plugin is also 
selling a customer on the advantage of using the Adobe product it runs 
under. Same with the flying toaster screen saver from years ago and 
many other products, Konfabulator, Watson, Hypercard. If your product 
can be extended and enhanced by others and they too can earn money by 
promoting your product, your product will get very wide adoption if 
others have financial incentives to promote it. To do this you have to 
make it extremely easy for novice programmers to build a plugin. 
Writing a plugin has to be easier than writing an application. Give 
lots of examples and provide lots of support and promote the folks who 
build plugins.

5. Summary

The really successful products combine all these attributes plus, they 
are something innovative such that there is no effective competition. 
Yes there is a good living to be earned from try-before-you-buy 
software. The major focus has to be outward; what product idea is going 
to  have a huge potential audience, be easy to promote through existing 
channels of information, can have a feature set that will cause people 
to find value and get addicted, and will help others with less 
marketing savvy make money from their coding efforts. The best product 
does not win, the best marketed product wins.

Just my opinion,
Kee Nethery


From martin at materiaprima.fsnet.co.uk  Sat Dec 18 12:26:51 2004
From: martin at materiaprima.fsnet.co.uk (Martin Baxter)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 17:26:51 +0000
Subject: is "of" optional in transcript ?
Message-ID: <l03130301bdea29ec354b@[81.78.106.179]>

Looking at a script to debug it I noticed the line:

put line (item i of lnum) field "assetlist" into idname

Noticing that I had missed out the word "of", I wondered how that got past
the syntaxt checker and tried:

put line 2 field "assetlist"

in the message box, and it worked without any problem.

I had assumed that "of" was required in chunk expressions, but maybe it is
optional, since this can hardly be an oversight.

Admittedly I'm using RR 2.1.2, and so for all I know this is different in
the current version.
Is it ?

Am I the last to know ?

Martin Baxter



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Dec 18 12:48:16 2004
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 11:48:16 -0600
Subject: What's a function
In-Reply-To: <1gozmib.ok2dtd8bwe16M%mcdomi@free.fr>
References: <1gozmib.ok2dtd8bwe16M%mcdomi@free.fr>
Message-ID: <41C46D60.6090205@hyperactivesw.com>

On 12/18/04 4:30 AM, Dom wrote:

 > J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:
 >
 >
 >><http://www.hyperactivesw.com/functions.html>
 >>
 >>This is specifically aimed at new Transcripters, so I've tried to keep
 >>the jargon to a minimum and the example handlers a bit more verbose.
 >
 >
 > Good, for newbies *and* for not so-newbies!
 > By the way, the page title is always "Polling the mouse" ;-)
 >

Oops! Thanks very much for letting me know. Fixed now.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com

From dsc at swcp.com  Sat Dec 18 13:16:53 2004
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 11:16:53 -0700
Subject: is "of" optional in transcript ?
In-Reply-To: <l03130301bdea29ec354b@[81.78.106.179]>
References: <l03130301bdea29ec354b@[81.78.106.179]>
Message-ID: <FE5A52A6-5120-11D9-BB2E-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>


On Dec 18, 2004, at 10:26 AM, Martin Baxter wrote:

> I had assumed that "of" was required in chunk expressions, but maybe 
> it is
> optional, since this can hardly be an oversight.

It seems to be optional in 2.5.

I can't say if it is by design.  It would be nice to know if leaving 
out 'of' in chunk expressions is blessed by Revolution.  It does make 
chunks slightly harder to read.  The long id returns text with 'of'.

It does seem to be required in built-in functions.

There are some rough edges in syntax.  We have discussed the allowing 
of any text not a top statement at the top level.  Some typos do not 
cause a compiler error, but cause a run-time error.  (This is distinct 
from our intending something but accidently telling the compiler to 
compile something else, common in repeat.)  In some cases it is 
possible to put two commands on one line without the ';' between.

Dar
****************************************
     DSC (Dar Scott Consulting)
     http://www.swcp.com/dsc/
     Programming Services and Software
****************************************


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Dec 18 13:18:59 2004
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 12:18:59 -0600
Subject: What's a function
In-Reply-To: <1gozoux.1vhggj61fcfw3lM%mcdomi@free.fr>
References: <1gozoux.1vhggj61fcfw3lM%mcdomi@free.fr>
Message-ID: <41C47493.8050607@hyperactivesw.com>

On 12/18/04 5:22 AM, Dom wrote:

> Does really Revolution go to the stack and *count* the cards?
> If a stack is in memory, I thought that the number of cards is written
> down somewhere in the stack... really, not?
> And so, for the number of controls??

I'm not sure. It must do some counting somewhere, but I don't know if it 
stores that infomation or counts each time dynamically. What I wrote was 
just meant to explain a more general idea, but if anyone knows how Rev 
does it, I can change the wording to be more accurate.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com

From martin at materiaprima.fsnet.co.uk  Sat Dec 18 13:57:23 2004
From: martin at materiaprima.fsnet.co.uk (Martin Baxter)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 13:57:23 -0500 (EST)
Subject: is "of" optional in transcript ?
In-Reply-To: <FE5A52A6-5120-11D9-BB2E-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
References: <l03130301bdea29ec354b@[81.78.106.179]>
 <l03130301bdea29ec354b@[81.78.106.179]>
Message-ID: <l03130302bdea404a768a@[217.134.125.249]>

>On Dec 18, 2004, at 10:26 AM, Martin Baxter wrote:
>
>> I had assumed that "of" was required in chunk expressions, but maybe
>> it is
>> optional, since this can hardly be an oversight.

> Dar Scott wrote:
>
>It seems to be optional in 2.5.
>
>I can't say if it is by design.  It would be nice to know if leaving
>out 'of' in chunk expressions is blessed by Revolution.  It does make
>chunks slightly harder to read.  The long id returns text with 'of'.
>
>It does seem to be required in built-in functions.
>

It looks like it can be omitted from simple chunk expressions anyway.

Like you I would like to know if this is official or not before I make a
habit of it. Having spent many years religiously typing "of" in front of
container identifiers, it might be hard to change. But,

put item 2 line 3 field 1

does have a kind of rhythm to it.

Martin Baxter




From dsc at swcp.com  Sat Dec 18 14:33:49 2004
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 12:33:49 -0700
Subject: is "of" optional in transcript ?
In-Reply-To: <l03130302bdea404a768a@[217.134.125.249]>
References: <l03130301bdea29ec354b@[81.78.106.179]>
	<l03130301bdea29ec354b@[81.78.106.179]>
	<l03130302bdea404a768a@[217.134.125.249]>
Message-ID: <BD9CE984-512B-11D9-BB2E-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>


On Dec 18, 2004, at 11:57 AM, Martin Baxter wrote:

> Like you I would like to know if this is official or not before I make 
> a
> habit of it. Having spent many years religiously typing "of" in front 
> of
> container identifiers, it might be hard to change. But,
>
> put item 2 line 3 field 1
>
> does have a kind of rhythm to it.

If you are a touch typist, you might see little change in typing speed 
and might see a slowdown at first.

My opinion is that the 'of' helps in readability.  Let script 
scruntchers get rid of it but put it in most scripts.  My plan is to 
include it in examples sent to this list.

I do think dropping 'of' is more readable than using abbreviations.  
Yeah, I know using abbreviations has a long tradition and some folks 
are limited in typing or line length.  I'm not a typing teacher or 
psychologist, but I suspect it takes less time for most folks to type 
'field' than 'fld'.  I know some folks who do use abbreviations do make 
a special effort to avoid them on the list and I appreciate that.

Given that...  I do use long IDs a lot.  If the shortened form works 
there, I might consider dropping 'of' there.  At the moment, I'm not 
sure if it is worth it.

Dar

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     http://www.swcp.com/dsc/
     Programming Services and Software
****************************************


From Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com  Sat Dec 18 14:35:34 2004
From: Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com (Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 14:35:34 -0500
Subject: Python >>> Transcript Translation
Message-ID: <OF59B98575.6745A442-ON85256F6E.006ADCDC@sealedair.com>

Hey,

Can anyone out there who is familiar with Python please translate the 
script below to Transcript? This script is supposed to be able to create a 
Hard-Drive image that works with the PearPC Macintosh Emulator. I want a 
native Rev script that can create this multi-gigabyte file.

Thanks.
Roger Eller <roger.e.eller at sealedair.com>

<Begin Python Script 
---------------------------------------------------------->
#!/usr/bin/python 
# Copyright (c) 2004 Marco Lange.

import sys 

GRANULARITY = 516096 

imagename = sys.argv[1]
imagesize = int(sys.argv[2])
if imagesize % GRANULARITY != 0: 
   imagesize = ((imagesize / GRANULARITY) + 1) * GRANULARITY 

print "Using image size:", imagesize 

imagefile = open(imagename, "wb+")
imagefile.seek(imagesize-1)
imagefile.write("\x00")
imagefile.close
<End Python Script 
---------------------------------------------------------->

From dougrogers1 at mac.com  Sat Dec 18 14:39:28 2004
From: dougrogers1 at mac.com (doug rogers)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 14:39:28 -0500
Subject: chasing the -1701 ae error
Message-ID: <8836BD9A-512C-11D9-93BE-0003938CD4F4@mac.com>

      	executing at 1:24:38 PM
Type	Handler: can't find handler
Object	Button
Line	revMacFromUnixPath(it,convertOSX)
Hint	revMacFromUnixPath

Thinking that I am not sending the file path correctly, I am trying 
this Rev function. So Rev can't find a built in function ? huh? What's 
up?

  There is a crack in everything. That's how the light gets in.
__________<http://home.golden.net/~samu>__________


From dsc at swcp.com  Sat Dec 18 14:46:08 2004
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 12:46:08 -0700
Subject: chasing the -1701 ae error
In-Reply-To: <8836BD9A-512C-11D9-93BE-0003938CD4F4@mac.com>
References: <8836BD9A-512C-11D9-93BE-0003938CD4F4@mac.com>
Message-ID: <766E953E-512D-11D9-BB2E-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>


On Dec 18, 2004, at 12:39 PM, doug rogers wrote:

> Hint	revMacFromUnixPath
>
> Thinking that I am not sending the file path correctly, I am trying 
> this Rev function. So Rev can't find a built in function ? huh? What's 
> up?

Is this in a standalone?  You will need the Common "library" and even 
then it will not be available in part of initialization.

Dar

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     http://www.swcp.com/dsc/
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sat Dec 18 14:46:53 2004
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 11:46:53 -0800
Subject: testing for Internet connection
Message-ID: <41C4892D.7000504@fourthworld.com>

There have been many posts here over the last couple years about various 
methods of having an app test to see if it has an Internet connection 
available, but for every suggestion I can find in the archives there's a 
subsequent post explaining why that method isn't optimal or in some 
cases even reliable.

What is the recommended method of testing for an Internet connection?

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  __________________________________________________
  Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev

From dougrogers1 at mac.com  Sat Dec 18 14:47:41 2004
From: dougrogers1 at mac.com (doug rogers)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 14:47:41 -0500
Subject: chasing the -1701 ae error
In-Reply-To: <766E953E-512D-11D9-BB2E-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
References: <8836BD9A-512C-11D9-93BE-0003938CD4F4@mac.com>
	<766E953E-512D-11D9-BB2E-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <AE0ED274-512D-11D9-93BE-0003938CD4F4@mac.com>


On 18-Dec-04, at 2:46 PM, Dar Scott wrote:

no. not a standalone. Rev is running.

> Is this in a standalone?  You will need the Common "library" and even 
> then it will not be available in part of initialization.
  There is a crack in everything. That's how the light gets in.
__________<http://home.golden.net/~samu>__________


From gizmotron at earthlink.net  Sat Dec 18 15:06:25 2004
From: gizmotron at earthlink.net (Mark Brownell)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 12:06:25 -0800
Subject: testing for Internet connection
In-Reply-To: <41C4892D.7000504@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <4B88F27C-5130-11D9-9ADE-000A95743F7A@earthlink.net>


On Saturday, December 18, 2004, at 11:46 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> There have been many posts here over the last couple years about 
> various methods of having an app test to see if it has an Internet 
> connection available, but for every suggestion I can find in the 
> archives there's a subsequent post explaining why that method isn't 
> optimal or in some cases even reliable.
>
> What is the recommended method of testing for an Internet connection?
>
> --
>  Richard Gaskin

Richard,

I have my recommendation to myself that I use for best practices for my 
needs. I need my users to be able to get many files from my website so 
I have my standalone app get a very small text file just to see if it's 
working. If it tests out as returning it then the connection is active. 
This is not best for when it might time out but the connection to my 
other files would time out as well in that case.


Mark


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sat Dec 18 15:49:38 2004
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 12:49:38 -0800
Subject: testing for Internet connection
In-Reply-To: <4B88F27C-5130-11D9-9ADE-000A95743F7A@earthlink.net>
References: <4B88F27C-5130-11D9-9ADE-000A95743F7A@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <41C497E2.8010705@fourthworld.com>

Mark Brownell wrote:
> 
> On Saturday, December 18, 2004, at 11:46 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> 
>> There have been many posts here over the last couple years about 
>> various methods of having an app test to see if it has an Internet 
>> connection available, but for every suggestion I can find in the 
>> archives there's a subsequent post explaining why that method isn't 
>> optimal or in some cases even reliable.
>>
>> What is the recommended method of testing for an Internet connection? 
> 
> I have my recommendation to myself that I use for best practices for my 
> needs. I need my users to be able to get many files from my website so I 
> have my standalone app get a very small text file just to see if it's 
> working. If it tests out as returning it then the connection is active. 
> This is not best for when it might time out but the connection to my 
> other files would time out as well in that case.

Variants of that seem to be the most commonly-used method, but the 
counter-argument that's been raised here is that there's no way to 
differentiate between a transaction that fails because of the lack of a 
connection and one caused by an error from the server -- is there?

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  __________________________________________________
  Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev

From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sat Dec 18 16:04:10 2004
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 13:04:10 -0800
Subject: hard crashes with data from Internet
Message-ID: <41C49B49.3050001@fourthworld.com>


I have an app that makes a series of HTTP calls to a server to obtain a 
list of directory contents in nested directories.  I find when I make 
single calls with some time between them the results are almost 100% 
reliable, but when I make these calls in rapid succession sometimes I 
see garbage in the returned result, where the data from the server 
should be.

The nature of the garbage suggests it may be the result of an errant 
pointer, and this issue is being tracked in Bugzilla:
<http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=2226>

But my question for the moment is:  Anyone seen this before and have a 
workaround in place for preventing this errant-pointer garbage?

To be more specific, the engine doesn't crash until I try to set the 
htmlText of a field to it -- can you think of a way to determine if the 
data is valid HTML?

I thought about checking the data for the presence of something like 
"</body>", but I can imagine circumstances where the garbage might also 
contain some of the returned data (though I haven't logged enough yet to 
really know how frequently, if ever, that's really the case).

That may be sufficient in most cases, but I'd sure like to find a 100% 
method if possible.  I don't mind script errors, but things that cause 
hard crashes make my work look really sloppy to the user. :)

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  __________________________________________________
  Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev

From scott at tactilemedia.com  Sat Dec 18 16:42:32 2004
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 13:42:32 -0800
Subject: hard crashes with data from Internet
In-Reply-To: <41C49B49.3050001@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <BDE9E448.1CB58%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> I have an app that makes a series of HTTP calls to a server to obtain a
> list of directory contents in nested directories.  I find when I make
> single calls with some time between them the results are almost 100%
> reliable, but when I make these calls in rapid succession sometimes I
> see garbage in the returned result, where the data from the server
> should be.
> 
> The nature of the garbage suggests it may be the result of an errant
> pointer, and this issue is being tracked in Bugzilla:
> <http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=2226>
> 
> But my question for the moment is:  Anyone seen this before and have a
> workaround in place for preventing this errant-pointer garbage?
> 
> To be more specific, the engine doesn't crash until I try to set the
> htmlText of a field to it -- can you think of a way to determine if the
> data is valid HTML?
> 
> I thought about checking the data for the presence of something like
> "</body>", but I can imagine circumstances where the garbage might also
> contain some of the returned data (though I haven't logged enough yet to
> really know how frequently, if ever, that's really the case).
> 
> That may be sufficient in most cases, but I'd sure like to find a 100%
> method if possible.  I don't mind script errors, but things that cause
> hard crashes make my work look really sloppy to the user. :)

I didn't look up the bug you make reference to but I'm assuming it's the one
where trying to grab content from the Web results in partial stack/control
script being returned in the result.  If this is the case, the method I have
been planning to use is checking for the end of the content file, such as
</html> or whatever is appropriate for the content.  Even better might be to
check for both the beginning and the end if that's possible.  Otherwise,
since every stack is different, I don't know of a reliable check
(unfortunately, the bug is not reliable either).

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Development & Design
-----
E: scott at tactilemedia.com
W: http://www.tactilemedia.com


From troy at rpsystems.net  Sat Dec 18 18:14:29 2004
From: troy at rpsystems.net (Troy Rollins)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 18:14:29 -0500
Subject: Python >>> Transcript Translation
In-Reply-To: <OF59B98575.6745A442-ON85256F6E.006ADCDC@sealedair.com>
References: <OF59B98575.6745A442-ON85256F6E.006ADCDC@sealedair.com>
Message-ID: <91769521-514A-11D9-8ABA-000A95A09CF8@rpsystems.net>


On Dec 18, 2004, at 2:35 PM, Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com wrote:

> Can anyone out there who is familiar with Python please translate the
> script below to Transcript? This script is supposed to be able to 
> create a
> Hard-Drive image that works with the PearPC Macintosh Emulator. I want 
> a
> native Rev script that can create this multi-gigabyte file.

But... that script is importing and using a separate object (script 
instantiation) called "sys" which is actually doing all the work.

Even with access to that, I don't have any idea if Transcript can 
actually achieve *all* the same things Python can... Python is tied 
into OSX at the system level.
--
Troy
RPSystems, Ltd.
http://www.rpsystems.net


From scott at tactilemedia.com  Sat Dec 18 18:23:28 2004
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 15:23:28 -0800
Subject: Bundle/Package Question
Message-ID: <BDE9FBF0.EA70%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Anyone know if it's possible to enable an OSX Rev standalone app to accept a
dropped file and automatically place it somewhere within its package
contents?

Thanks & Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
-----
E: scott at tactilemedia.com
W: http://www.tactilemedia.com


From themacguy at macosx.com  Sat Dec 18 19:09:45 2004
From: themacguy at macosx.com (Barry Levine)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 17:09:45 -0700
Subject: Missing chunk scripting issue
Message-ID: <BDEA14D9.2FF5%themacguy@macosx.com>

Greetings, Listas.

The following two lines of code are causing me a headache:

put the number of chars in line 1 of field "result" into theLast
put char (theLast - 3) to char (theLast) of line 1 of field "result"
-- message box should display the last four chars of line 1 of the field

If I use only the first part of the range - char (theLast - 3) of line 1 of
field "result" - or the last part of the range - char (theLast) of line 1 of
field "result - I do not get an error.

Obviously I've got some kind of syntax problem with how I'm defining the
range. Anyone care to suggest a solution?

TIA,
Barry



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sat Dec 18 19:20:34 2004
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 16:20:34 -0800
Subject: Missing chunk scripting issue
In-Reply-To: <BDEA14D9.2FF5%themacguy@macosx.com>
References: <BDEA14D9.2FF5%themacguy@macosx.com>
Message-ID: <41C4C952.4000308@fourthworld.com>

Barry Levine wrote:
> Greetings, Listas.
> 
> The following two lines of code are causing me a headache:
> 
> put the number of chars in line 1 of field "result" into theLast
> put char (theLast - 3) to char (theLast) of line 1 of field "result"
> -- message box should display the last four chars of line 1 of the field
> 
> If I use only the first part of the range - char (theLast - 3) of line 1 of
> field "result" - or the last part of the range - char (theLast) of line 1 of
> field "result - I do not get an error.
> 
> Obviously I've got some kind of syntax problem with how I'm defining the
> range. Anyone care to suggest a solution?

You can use "-1" instead of getting the last char to shorten it a tad.

When in doubt you can often use parentheses to make things explicit for 
the compiler:

   put (char -3 to -1 of (line 1 of fld "result")) into tLast

The outer-most parens are probably overkill, but in general parens are 
useful not only for the compiler but sometimes for aiding readability 
too. The outer parens make it clear what's being "put", and the inner 
parens help break the first parsing operation from the second.

Let me know if that doesn't do it and we'll look into it more.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  __________________________________________________
  Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev

From alex at tweedly.net  Sat Dec 18 19:26:16 2004
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 00:26:16 +0000
Subject: Python >>> Transcript Translation
In-Reply-To: <91769521-514A-11D9-8ABA-000A95A09CF8@rpsystems.net>
References: <OF59B98575.6745A442-ON85256F6E.006ADCDC@sealedair.com>
 <OF59B98575.6745A442-ON85256F6E.006ADCDC@sealedair.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20041218235807.02e3fcb0@mail.tweedly.net>

At 18:14 18/12/2004 -0500, Troy Rollins wrote:


>On Dec 18, 2004, at 2:35 PM, Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com wrote:
>
>>Can anyone out there who is familiar with Python please translate the
>>script below to Transcript? This script is supposed to be able to create a
>>Hard-Drive image that works with the PearPC Macintosh Emulator. I want a
>>native Rev script that can create this multi-gigabyte file.
>
>But... that script is importing and using a separate object (script 
>instantiation) called "sys" which is actually doing all the work.

Well, not really "all the work". The "sys" import is only used to extract 
the command line arguments.

>Even with access to that, I don't have any idea if Transcript can actually 
>achieve *all* the same things Python can... Python is tied into OSX at the 
>system level.

Python uses standard system libraries - not all of which Rev lets you 
access; but in this case, there shouldn't be any problem.

Let's get the arguments from an input field, instead of a command line 
argument ...

>#!/usr/bin/python
># Copyright (c) 2004 Marco Lange.
>
>
>import sys
>
>
>GRANULARITY = 516096
>
>
>imagename = sys.argv[1]
>imagesize = int(sys.argv[2])
>if imagesize % GRANULARITY != 0:
>    imagesize = ((imagesize / GRANULARITY) + 1) * GRANULARITY
>
>
>print "Using image size:", imagesize

Simply gets a file name and a value; takes the value, and rounds (up) to a 
multiple of granularity.

local GRANULARITY = 516096
put field "inputField" into myVar
if myVar mod GRANULARITY <> 0 then
   put GRANULARITY * (trunc(myVar/Granularity)+1) into myVar
end if

>imagefile = open(imagename, "wb+")
>imagefile.seek(imagesize-1)
>imagefile.write("\x00")
>imagefile.close

Open the file named earlier for binary write (overwriting any existing 
content), seeks to the byte position (from the value above), writes one 
null byte and closes the file. (i.e. creates a large, empty file)

ask file "File to write" .....
put it into myFileName
open file myFileName for binary write
seek to myVar in file myFileName
write numtochar(0) to file myFileName
close file myFileName


NB - not tested, but allowing for any typos, that should do it.
There's perhaps an "off by one" error - because Python numbers bytes from 
zero, and Rev from 1 - so the seek should maybe be to "myVar-1".

-- Alex.

From alex at tweedly.net  Sat Dec 18 19:34:42 2004
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 00:34:42 +0000
Subject: Missing chunk scripting issue
In-Reply-To: <BDEA14D9.2FF5%themacguy@macosx.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20041219003015.02ebbd88@mail.tweedly.net>

At 17:09 18/12/2004 -0700, Barry Levine wrote:

>Greetings, Listas.
>
>The following two lines of code are causing me a headache:
>
>put the number of chars in line 1 of field "result" into theLast
>put char (theLast - 3) to char (theLast) of line 1 of field "result"
>-- message box should display the last four chars of line 1 of the field
>
>If I use only the first part of the range - char (theLast - 3) of line 1 of
>field "result" - or the last part of the range - char (theLast) of line 1 of
>field "result - I do not get an error.
>
>Obviously I've got some kind of syntax problem with how I'm defining the
>range. Anyone care to suggest a solution?

Your problem is an extra "char" in there
>put char (theLast - 3) to char (theLast) of line 1 of field "result"
should be simply
>put char (theLast - 3) to (theLast) of line 1 of field "result"
with extra parenthesis if needed.

But the *solution* is what Richard suggested, i.e. use negative indices; 
except that "theLast-3" should be "-4", so
>put char  (-4 to -1) of line 1 of field "result"

-- Alex.

From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Sat Dec 18 19:32:46 2004
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 00:32:46 +0000
Subject: Missing chunk scripting issue
In-Reply-To: <BDEA14D9.2FF5%themacguy@macosx.com>
Message-ID: <BDEA7CAE.26287%benr_mc@cogapp.com>

on 19/12/04 12:09 am, Barry Levine wrote

> put char (theLast - 3) to char (theLast) of line 1 of field "result"
[snip]
> Obviously I've got some kind of syntax problem with how I'm defining the
> range. Anyone care to suggest a solution?

The actual syntax error here is that you only specify the chunk (in this
case char) once, whether you're selecting a single chunk or a range.  So
instead of
  put char (theLast - 3) to char (theLast) of line 1 of field "result"

you want
  put char (theLast - 3) to (theLast) of line 1 of field "result"

But as Richard points out, in Transcript unlike HyperTalk you can in any
case count from the end of a range using negative numbers, hence

 put char -4 to -1 of line 1 of field "result"

would also get you what you want, with no need to first ask the length.
 
  Ben Rubinstein               |  Email: benr_mc at cogapp.com
  Cognitive Applications Ltd   |  Phone: +44 (0)1273-821600
  http://www.cogapp.com        |  Fax  : +44 (0)1273-728866


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sat Dec 18 19:43:14 2004
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 16:43:14 -0800
Subject: chasing the -1701 ae error
In-Reply-To: <8836BD9A-512C-11D9-93BE-0003938CD4F4@mac.com>
References: <8836BD9A-512C-11D9-93BE-0003938CD4F4@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4021672483.20041218164314@ahsoftware.net>

doug-

Saturday, December 18, 2004, 11:39:28 AM, you wrote:

dr>         executing at 1:24:38 PM
dr> Type    Handler: can't find handler
dr> Object  Button
dr> Line    revMacFromUnixPath(it,convertOSX)
dr> Hint    revMacFromUnixPath

dr> Thinking that I am not sending the file path correctly, I am trying
dr> this Rev function. So Rev can't find a built in function ? huh? What's
dr> up?

Function syntax again.
revMacFromUnixPath() is a function.

"put revMacFromUnixPath(it, convertOSX) into somewhere"
should do it.

Think of functions and commands this way: the first word in an xtalk
script line is a verb, and acts on what follows. A function is not a
verb, a command is. Therefore, if you want to use a function you must
have a verb in front of it on the line.

Also, a function must have its arguments in parentheses; a command
must *not* have them in parentheses.

A function returns a value which you can place in a container; a
command does not.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net


From themacguy at macosx.com  Sat Dec 18 19:45:25 2004
From: themacguy at macosx.com (Barry Levine)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 17:45:25 -0700
Subject: Missing Chunk Scripting Issue - Now Resolved
In-Reply-To: <20041219002016.1BF40930278@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BDEA1D35.2FFE%themacguy@macosx.com>

Richard,

Your solution worked perfectly and reduces the amount of code I need. Can't
ask for more than that! Totally agree with you regarding readability; in
fact, my handlers often have as many comments as code. Helps me to remember
what th'heck I was thinking when I wrote it!

Many thanks & Happy Holidays!

Barry

On 12/18/04 5:20 PM, "Richard Gaskin" allegedly flung into the void:

> You can use "-1" instead of getting the last char to shorten it a tad.
> 
> When in doubt you can often use parentheses to make things explicit for
> the compiler:
> 
>    put (char -3 to -1 of (line 1 of fld "result")) into tLast
> 
> The outer-most parens are probably overkill, but in general parens are
> useful not only for the compiler but sometimes for aiding readability
> too. The outer parens make it clear what's being "put", and the inner
> parens help break the first parsing operation from the second.
> 
> Let me know if that doesn't do it and we'll look into it more.
> 
> --
>   Richard Gaskin



From gizmotron at earthlink.net  Sat Dec 18 21:17:35 2004
From: gizmotron at earthlink.net (Mark Brownell)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 18:17:35 -0800
Subject: hard crashes with data from Internet
In-Reply-To: <41C49B49.3050001@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <25C80A44-5164-11D9-932A-000A95743F7A@earthlink.net>


On Saturday, December 18, 2004, at 01:04 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> I thought about checking the data for the presence of something like 
> "</body>", but I can imagine circumstances where the garbage might 
> also contain some of the returned data (though I haven't logged enough 
> yet to really know how frequently, if ever, that's really the case).
>
> That may be sufficient in most cases, but I'd sure like to find a 100% 
> method if possible.  I don't mind script errors, but things that cause 
> hard crashes make my work look really sloppy to the user. :)
>
> --
>  Richard Gaskin

What I do is to set the htmlText of an off screen field to my input 
variable while the screen is locked then I put the htmlText of that off 
screen field into another variable and unlock the screen. That might 
work for you as a clean up tool. On the other hand if you are 
deliberately working with valid HTML 4.0 then that would not work as a 
fix if your text must remain as HTML 4.0.

Mark


From gizmotron at earthlink.net  Sat Dec 18 21:19:06 2004
From: gizmotron at earthlink.net (Mark Brownell)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 18:19:06 -0800
Subject: testing for Internet connection
In-Reply-To: <41C497E2.8010705@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <5C019D48-5164-11D9-932A-000A95743F7A@earthlink.net>


On Saturday, December 18, 2004, at 12:49 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Variants of that seem to be the most commonly-used method, but the 
> counter-argument that's been raised here is that there's no way to 
> differentiate between a transaction that fails because of the lack of 
> a connection and one caused by an error from the server -- is there?
>
> --
>  Richard Gaskin

I check for error also:

   if theStatus contains "error" then
     --  answer "...oops! Something didn't work" -- for testing
     unload URL xAdv
     exit myProgressX
   end if
   if theStatus contains "timeout" then
     unload URL xAdv
     exit myProgressX
   end if

if the status contains "downloaded" then I exit the progress
handler before it can throw an error:

     set the thumbPosition of scrollbar "prog1"  to 0
     unload URL xAdv
     exit myProgressX

This prevents me from dealing with the occasional error message that 
sometimes gets through after a download. So if error then set a global 
condition until a download does test positive at a later testing.

Mark


From gizmotron at earthlink.net  Sat Dec 18 21:34:20 2004
From: gizmotron at earthlink.net (Mark Brownell)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 18:34:20 -0800
Subject: testing for Internet connection
In-Reply-To: <5C019D48-5164-11D9-932A-000A95743F7A@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <7C6FF9BA-5166-11D9-932A-000A95743F7A@earthlink.net>


On Saturday, December 18, 2004, at 06:19 PM, Mark Brownell wrote:

>> Variants of that seem to be the most commonly-used method, but the 
>> counter-argument that's been raised here is that there's no way to 
>> differentiate between a transaction that fails because of the lack of 
>> a connection and one caused by an error from the server -- is there?
>>
>> --
>>  Richard Gaskin

I reread your question.

I have no idea if there is a way to confirm a connection ruling out for 
error.

Oh well...

Mark


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Sat Dec 18 21:48:05 2004
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 20:48:05 -0600
Subject: testing for Internet connection
In-Reply-To: <41C4892D.7000504@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <BDEA4805.B6BD%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 12/18/04 1:46 PM, "Richard Gaskin" <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:

> What is the recommended method of testing for an Internet connection?

Well, this may not be "recommended", but I have this code in my Scripter's
Scrapbook:

function checkNetStatus
  -- hide shell activity from user
  set the hideConsoleWindows to true

  -- ping a host that should always
  -- visible to your computer
  get shell("ping 24.10.72.1 -n 1 -w 200")

  -- isolate the status info
  put lineoffset("% loss",it) into x
  set the itemDelimiter to "="
  get word 1 of last item of line x of it

  -- tell somebody!
  if it <> 1 then
    return "UP"
  else
    return "DOWN"
  end if
end checkNetStatus


Don't know if this will help,


Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From padawer at mindspring.com  Sat Dec 18 22:37:29 2004
From: padawer at mindspring.com (Randy Padawer)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 20:37:29 -0700
Subject: HOW TO... enable the "About" menu item?
In-Reply-To: <20041219002016.1BF40930278@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20041219002016.1BF40930278@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <p06200701bdeaa79d82e2@[192.168.2.2]>

What is the easiest way to enable the "About" menubar item?
Randy

From b.xavier at internet.lu  Sun Dec 19 02:08:39 2004
From: b.xavier at internet.lu (MisterX)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 08:08:39 +0100
Subject: Kudos for RunRev
In-Reply-To: <BDEA4805.B6BD%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <20041219065916.E2DDC930080@mail.runrev.com>


While sometimes I do rant hard, I do also sometimes jump and yell and
applaud RunRev for the excellence in RunRev file handling. Check this event
out!

Here i was trying to casually improve my GTR file browser (with image,
sound, pdf, etc preview editing or launching respectively) and writing a
settings modifications manager for the many different combinations of cars,
tracks, event type, engine, gearbox, suspensions, tyres and the rest that
could come into a game or racing event (including weather, pit stops
strategies, tyre wear, down to chat strings groups). This is not a game,
it's a car OS! ;)) If you like GT cars, buy this game!

Indentally I clicked on the wrong line of the file list which creates a
preview of the file into a field. It was the Audiodata.dat which is a 132MBs
of recorded car sounds (very realistic!), pit announcements, radio com, etc!
So the script dumps the file into the field... it's a one liner (put url
thefile into fld "preview")

RunRev freezes, the HD light is overheating the plasma relays, the pc is
vibrating energitically, windows slows down to a snail-in-alaska speed! The
browser is dumping all of 132 Megs of binary data into the preview field!
AAAAAH.

But after 32 seconds, it was ready back to normal! RunRev goobles 511Megs of
RAM! I clicked on another file quickly and it displayed it's html no prob!
Another 32 seconds wait! Revo is back to a normal 13MBs of RAM after that!
Tried it again, 14 MBs, save, 15 MBs, choose another file 16MBs. Tried a
couple more saves and opens and the ram was stable.

Excellent programming - Im officially impressed! It's solid and I give it my
Xfactor rating! Everyone should apply that kind of programming as a
standard!

A warning of file size and an option to page it will be nice to have in the
future too...

One question, how can you tell a file should be read as a binfile? It's
possible a binfile may not contain zero ascii characters but anything can be
considered ascii too...

Merry seasons and a revolutionary 2005
Xavier
--
PS: oops! Revo crashed AFTER i closed the stack and clicked on the
revmenubar again. Is there a bugzilla for this yet?


From b.xavier at internet.lu  Sun Dec 19 02:48:32 2004
From: b.xavier at internet.lu (MisterX)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 08:48:32 +0100
Subject: Protecting your rev apps
In-Reply-To: <20041217200436.15812.qmail@web51106.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20041219073909.1FDDA9300A6@mail.runrev.com>


> Is there any way to access something like a unique ID number 
> for the computer currently running the rev app?

I found an easy way to do this...

When you do shell("dir c:") for any drive, you get the label and the serial
number of the drive in the first two lines. The serial number is unique per
drive.

The number may change if you recreate partitions i think. If you want to use
this technique, check out the way it's made if possible via technet.moft.com
just in case.

Cheers
Xavier
--
MonsieurX.com - rev the best!


From chipp at chipp.com  Sun Dec 19 05:01:03 2004
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 02:01:03 -0800
Subject: testing for Internet connection
In-Reply-To: <41C4892D.7000504@fourthworld.com>
References: <41C4892D.7000504@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <41C5515F.80508@chipp.com>

Hi Richard,

I've found this to work well:

function isConnectedToInternet pURL
   if pURL is empty then put "http://www.google.com" into pURL
   get URL pURL
   put the result into tResult
   if tResult is not empty then
     answer information "Problem connecting to the internet: "& tResult
     return false
   else
     return true
   end if
end isConnectedToInternet

a more elaborate variant I use which compensates for long latency 
connections like satellite or some dialups:

function altIsConnected pURL

   --> STORES IN DEBUG FLD IN ALTINTERNET LIBRARY
   altDebug "checking internet connection to:",pURL
   --> TURNS ON ANIMATED BUSY.GIF
   ImBusy true

   put 0 into x
   repeat 5 times
     add 1 to x
     altDebug "Trying to GET from URL:",pURL  && "try " & x
     put URL pURL into pData
     put the result into tResult
     if tResult is not empty then
       answer tResult
       altDebug "Result from GET:",tResult
       exit repeat
     end if
     altDebug "Result from pURL:",pData
     if pData is not empty then
       --> YOU CAN PUT COMMON PROXY AND FIREWALL AUTHENTICATION CODE HERE
       switch
       case "WatchGuard" is in it --WatchGuard firewall
         break
       default
         ImBusy false
         return true
       end switch
     end if
   end repeat
   altDebug "Could not connect to Server after " &x& " tries."
   answer "Cannot connect to: " & pURL &cr& tResult
   ImBusy false
   return false
end altIsConnected

if your user is not connected, they will probably get an 'invalid host'
answer. Testing against google seems always to work for me. I figure, if
they can't get to google, then they can't get to my server.

-Chipp

Richard Gaskin wrote:
> There have been many posts here over the last couple years about
> various methods of having an app test to see if it has an Internet
> connection available, but for every suggestion I can find in the
> archives there's a subsequent post explaining why that method isn't
> optimal or in some cases even reliable.

From douez at wanadoo.fr  Sun Dec 19 06:47:55 2004
From: douez at wanadoo.fr (thierry)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 12:47:55 +0100
Subject: set a stack in the middel of the screen
In-Reply-To: <55FBEF8E-4F0B-11D9-BB4F-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
References: <3d8af415041215141826868355@mail.gmail.com>
 <3d8af415041215141826868355@mail.gmail.com>
 <5.1.0.14.0.20041216014003.02d6fea8@mail.tweedly.net>
 <55FBEF8E-4F0B-11D9-BB4F-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <844517321.20041219124755@wanadoo.fr>

Hi,

i have a splash stack, with a startup handler.
just one image in the stack and the script below:


on preopencard
  set the windowshape of me to 1008
  set the loc of me to the screenLoc
end preopencard


Can someone tell me what's wrong with this, the stack
doesn't go the middle of the screen. it works well
with standard windows's stacks ( no windowshape )

On windows !

Thanks, thierry




From alex at tweedly.net  Sun Dec 19 07:04:14 2004
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 12:04:14 +0000
Subject: testing for Internet connection
In-Reply-To: <41C5515F.80508@chipp.com>
References: <41C4892D.7000504@fourthworld.com>
 <41C4892D.7000504@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20041219115026.02e459f8@mail.tweedly.net>

At 02:01 19/12/2004 -0800, Chipp Walters wrote:

>Hi Richard,
>
>I've found this to work well:
>
>function isConnectedToInternet pURL
>   if pURL is empty then put "http://www.google.com" into pURL
>   get URL pURL
>etc.

There is a potential problem with this approach, which can be avoided by 
using numeric IP addresses rather than host names.  Using a host name will 
cause the Rev app to block for 10-30 seconds while it waits for a DNS 
response (see BZ 2117 for details -  Mark W.'s solution is a non-blocking ping)

This problem happens to me all the time, because I use my laptop connected 
to an ethernet which connects to the internet through another computer 
using a dial-up line, and the dial-up is often disconnected. Laptop thinks 
it has a connection (the ethernet is up) and thinks it has DNS servers it 
can reach (because the main computer acts as a DNS proxy) - but when it 
queries a host name, it is blocked until the DNS response times out.

>if your user is not connected, they will probably get an 'invalid host'
>answer. Testing against google seems always to work for me. I figure, if
>they can't get to google, then they can't get to my server.

Google has been the target of a number of DoS attacks, so there have been 
at least two occasions when large parts of the net couldn't get an answer 
from Google, but could have done from you.

-- Alex.

From klaus at major-k.de  Sun Dec 19 07:37:41 2004
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 13:37:41 +0100
Subject: set a stack in the middel of the screen
In-Reply-To: <844517321.20041219124755@wanadoo.fr>
References: <3d8af415041215141826868355@mail.gmail.com>
	<3d8af415041215141826868355@mail.gmail.com>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20041216014003.02d6fea8@mail.tweedly.net>
	<55FBEF8E-4F0B-11D9-BB4F-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
	<844517321.20041219124755@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <C606932A-51BA-11D9-AFAD-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>

Bon jour Thierry,

> Hi,
>
> i have a splash stack, with a startup handler.
> just one image in the stack and the script below:
>
>
> on preopencard
>   set the windowshape of me to 1008
>   set the loc of me to the screenLoc
> end preopencard
>
>
> Can someone tell me what's wrong with this, the stack
> doesn't go the middle of the screen. it works well
> with standard windows's stacks ( no windowshape )
>
> On windows !

Quick guess!
Does this work eventually?

on preopencard
   set the windowshape of this stack to 1008
   set the loc of this stack to the screenLoc
end preopencard

This is a "CARD" handler and "me" (which should be the CARD in your 
script!)
may disturb the engine...?

Again, this is a wild and quick guess, but worth a try :-)

> Thanks, thierry

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de


From douez at wanadoo.fr  Sun Dec 19 08:15:06 2004
From: douez at wanadoo.fr (thierry)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 14:15:06 +0100
Subject: set a stack in the middel of the screen
In-Reply-To: <C606932A-51BA-11D9-AFAD-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>
References: <3d8af415041215141826868355@mail.gmail.com>
 <3d8af415041215141826868355@mail.gmail.com>
 <5.1.0.14.0.20041216014003.02d6fea8@mail.tweedly.net>
 <55FBEF8E-4F0B-11D9-BB4F-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
 <844517321.20041219124755@wanadoo.fr>
 <C606932A-51BA-11D9-AFAD-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <1234296603.20041219141506@wanadoo.fr>

Hi Klaus,

KM> Bon jour Thierry,

>> i have a splash stack, with a startup handler.
>> just one image in the stack and the script below:
>>
>> on PREOPENSTACK
>>   set the windowshape of me to 1008
>>   set the loc of me to the screenLoc
>> end PREOPENSTACK

KM> on preopencard
KM>    set the windowshape of this stack to 1008
KM>    set the loc of this stack to the screenLoc
KM> end preopencard

KM> This is a "CARD" handler and "me" (which should be the CARD in your 
KM> script!)  may disturb the engine...?

Really ??? on opencard can't be in a stack script ????
and if the opencard handler is on the stack script, doesn't the *me*
refer to the object which the script belongs to ?

But anyway, this 2 lines of scripts where in the startup handler in
the stack script before. And after your email, i put in the preopenStack.
Same behavior. and it works with my other stacks.. the only difference
i can see ( doesn't mean it is :-)  ) is this whindowshape....

KM> Again, this is a wild and quick guess, but worth a try :-)

on thursday, i'm coming to your country.. Eifeld :-)
and may be quickly in Koln... Any chance to meet for a coffee ?

Thanks, thierry




From klaus at major-k.de  Sun Dec 19 08:28:03 2004
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 14:28:03 +0100
Subject: set a stack in the middel of the screen
In-Reply-To: <1234296603.20041219141506@wanadoo.fr>
References: <3d8af415041215141826868355@mail.gmail.com>
	<3d8af415041215141826868355@mail.gmail.com>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20041216014003.02d6fea8@mail.tweedly.net>
	<55FBEF8E-4F0B-11D9-BB4F-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
	<844517321.20041219124755@wanadoo.fr>
	<C606932A-51BA-11D9-AFAD-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>
	<1234296603.20041219141506@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <CF3B9A0E-51C1-11D9-AFAD-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>

Hi Thierry,

> Hi Klaus,
>
> KM> Bon jour Thierry,
>
>>> i have a splash stack, with a startup handler.
>>> just one image in the stack and the script below:
>>>
>>> on PREOPENSTACK
>>>   set the windowshape of me to 1008
>>>   set the loc of me to the screenLoc
>>> end PREOPENSTACK
>
> KM> on preopencard
> KM>    set the windowshape of this stack to 1008
> KM>    set the loc of this stack to the screenLoc
> KM> end preopencard
>
> KM> This is a "CARD" handler and "me" (which should be the CARD in your
> KM> script!)  may disturb the engine...?
>
> Really ??? on opencard can't be in a stack script ????

It can!

> and if the opencard handler is on the stack script, doesn't the *me*
> refer to the object which the script belongs to ?

Sorry, my fault! I thought this was the script of a CARD!

> But anyway, this 2 lines of scripts where in the startup handler in
> the stack script before. And after your email, i put in the 
> preopenStack.
> Same behavior. and it works with my other stacks.. the only difference
> i can see ( doesn't mean it is :-)  ) is this whindowshape....

Did you try to swap the lines?
I mean, first set the loc and then the w-shape...

> KM> Again, this is a wild and quick guess, but worth a try :-)
>
> on thursday, i'm coming to your country.. Eifeld :-)

Where the heck is "Eifeld"??? :-D

> and may be quickly in Koln... Any chance to meet for a coffee ?

No, sorry, i am leaving for a visit on tuesday and will return on 
friday... :-(

> Thanks, thierry

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de


P.S.
Wasn't there an issue with w-shapes and w-decorations???
I have something like this on my mind...

Try this one:

on PREOPENSTACK
   set the decorations of this stack to "default"
   set the loc of me to the screenLoc
   set the windowshape of me to 1008
end PREOPENSTACK


From gefisher at mac.com  Sun Dec 19 09:03:20 2004
From: gefisher at mac.com (Glenn E. Fisher)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 08:03:20 -0600
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <BD203B00-51C6-11D9-B1A2-0030654DB056@mac.com>

doug,
>      	executing at 1:24:38 PM
> Type	Handler: can't find handler
> Object	Button
> Line	revMacFromUnixPath(it,convertOSX)
> Hint	revMacFromUnixPath
>
> Thinking that I am not sending the file path correctly, I am trying 
> this Rev function. So Rev can't find a built in function ? huh? What's 
> up?
>
>  There is a crack in everything. That's how the light gets in.
> __________<http://home.golden.net/~samu>__________

If revMacFromUnixPath is a function, shouldn't you call it like a 
function
instead of like a command? Like:
get revMacFromUnixPath(it,convertOSX)

Read Jacque's page again. :-)

http://www.hyperactivesw.com/functions.html

HTH,
Glenn

Glenn E. Fisher	University of Houston - Retired
22402 Diane Dr.	Spring, Tx 77373
gfisher4 at houston.rr.com 	http://www.uh.edu/~fisher
http://home.houston.rr.com/thegefishers/
http://homepage.mac.com/gefisher

From douez at wanadoo.fr  Sun Dec 19 09:37:28 2004
From: douez at wanadoo.fr (thierry)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 15:37:28 +0100
Subject: set a stack in the middel of the screen
In-Reply-To: <CF3B9A0E-51C1-11D9-AFAD-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>
References: <3d8af415041215141826868355@mail.gmail.com>
 <3d8af415041215141826868355@mail.gmail.com>
 <5.1.0.14.0.20041216014003.02d6fea8@mail.tweedly.net>
 <55FBEF8E-4F0B-11D9-BB4F-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
 <844517321.20041219124755@wanadoo.fr>
 <C606932A-51BA-11D9-AFAD-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>
 <1234296603.20041219141506@wanadoo.fr>
 <CF3B9A0E-51C1-11D9-AFAD-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <302131490.20041219153728@wanadoo.fr>

Hi,

KM> Did you try to swap the lines?
KM> I mean, first set the loc and then the w-shape...

KM> Wasn't there an issue with w-shapes and w-decorations???
KM> I have something like this on my mind...

KM> Try this one:

KM> on PREOPENSTACK
KM>    set the decorations of this stack to "default"
KM>    set the loc of me to the screenLoc
KM>    set the windowshape of me to 1008
KM> end PREOPENSTACK

ok, this didn't make the difference... but then i tried
something else, your "default" hit my mind :-)...
Come back in Edit mode,
redraw the stack with default decoration,
and set the rect of the stack to the rect of the image.....

and it works now :-)


Thank you, Klaus
Best regards, 



From klaus at major-k.de  Sun Dec 19 09:41:11 2004
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 15:41:11 +0100
Subject: set a stack in the middel of the screen
In-Reply-To: <302131490.20041219153728@wanadoo.fr>
References: <3d8af415041215141826868355@mail.gmail.com>
	<3d8af415041215141826868355@mail.gmail.com>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20041216014003.02d6fea8@mail.tweedly.net>
	<55FBEF8E-4F0B-11D9-BB4F-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
	<844517321.20041219124755@wanadoo.fr>
	<C606932A-51BA-11D9-AFAD-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>
	<1234296603.20041219141506@wanadoo.fr>
	<CF3B9A0E-51C1-11D9-AFAD-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>
	<302131490.20041219153728@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <06FE752C-51CC-11D9-AFAD-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>

Hi Thierry,

> Hi,
>
> KM> Did you try to swap the lines?
> KM> I mean, first set the loc and then the w-shape...
>
> KM> Wasn't there an issue with w-shapes and w-decorations???
> KM> I have something like this on my mind...
>
> KM> Try this one:
>
> KM> on PREOPENSTACK
> KM>    set the decorations of this stack to "default"
> KM>    set the loc of me to the screenLoc
> KM>    set the windowshape of me to 1008
> KM> end PREOPENSTACK
>
> ok, this didn't make the difference... but then i tried
> something else, your "default" hit my mind :-)...
> Come back in Edit mode,
> redraw the stack with default decoration,
> and set the rect of the stack to the rect of the image.....
>
> and it works now :-)

Strange, isn't it?!!! :-)

> Thank you, Klaus

You're welcome!

> Best regards,

Best from germany

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de


From johnrule at rcsprogramming.com  Sun Dec 19 10:08:33 2004
From: johnrule at rcsprogramming.com (John Rule)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 07:08:33 -0800
Subject: think addiction - kagi opinion
In-Reply-To: <20041219002016.1BF40930278@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <200412190909546.SM01892@minipcxp>


> 3. For your try-before-you-buy software, think addiction.

Sort of like a drug dealer...

Can we expect these same 'models' are going to be applied to your service?
Let us 'try it' (or you give it away for free), and we will pay for it if we
'feel' like it.

I find it amazing that there are so many proponents of 'freeware', but they
are diligent in charging for their own services.

Programming is a service that needs to be paid for.

JR

-----Original Message-----

From: kee nethery <kee at kagi.com>
Subject: Re: Protecting your Rev apps - freeware options
To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <1096BA94-5119-11D9-BC2F-000A959B2940 at kagi.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed

It is my experience that "try before you buy" software can be extremely 
profitable. The successful authors have a mindset that fosters 
profitability. Here is what I have seen that works.

-----End Message-----


From frank at backtalk.com  Sun Dec 19 10:24:58 2004
From: frank at backtalk.com (Frank Leahy)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 15:24:58 +0000
Subject: testing for Internet connection
In-Reply-To: <20041219150413.9552B930279@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20041219150413.9552B930279@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <2482782A-51D2-11D9-B5BB-000A9580FCCE@backtalk.com>

On Dec 19, 2004, at 3:04 PM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com 
wrote:

> From: Mark Brownell <gizmotron at earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: testing for Internet connection
> To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Message-ID: <7C6FF9BA-5166-11D9-932A-000A95743F7A at earthlink.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
>
>
> On Saturday, December 18, 2004, at 06:19 PM, Mark Brownell wrote:
>
>>> Variants of that seem to be the most commonly-used method, but the
>>> counter-argument that's been raised here is that there's no way to
>>> differentiate between a transaction that fails because of the lack of
>>> a connection and one caused by an error from the server -- is there?
>>>
>>> --
>>>  Richard Gaskin
>
> I reread your question.
>
> I have no idea if there is a way to confirm a connection ruling out for
> error.
>
> Oh well...
>
> Mark
>

You can pretty safely assume that something like www.yahoo.com is 
accessible if an internet connection is available.  So first check for 
www.yahoo.com and then check for your server.

-- Frank


From douez at wanadoo.fr  Sun Dec 19 10:27:19 2004
From: douez at wanadoo.fr (thierry)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 16:27:19 +0100
Subject: set a stack in the middel of the screen
In-Reply-To: <06FE752C-51CC-11D9-AFAD-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>
References: <3d8af415041215141826868355@mail.gmail.com>
 <3d8af415041215141826868355@mail.gmail.com>
 <5.1.0.14.0.20041216014003.02d6fea8@mail.tweedly.net>
 <55FBEF8E-4F0B-11D9-BB4F-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
 <844517321.20041219124755@wanadoo.fr>
 <C606932A-51BA-11D9-AFAD-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>
 <1234296603.20041219141506@wanadoo.fr>
 <CF3B9A0E-51C1-11D9-AFAD-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>
 <302131490.20041219153728@wanadoo.fr>
 <06FE752C-51CC-11D9-AFAD-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <76457483.20041219162719@wanadoo.fr>

>> ok, this didn't make the difference... but then i tried
>> something else, your "default" hit my mind :-)...
>> Come back in Edit mode,
>> redraw the stack with default decoration,
>> and set the rect of the stack to the rect of the image.....
>>
>> and it works now :-)

KM> Strange, isn't it?!!! :-)

well, it's not the first time i find something strange....
and not only with Revolution :-)

i've seen the picture put in the left-top side of the stack window;
so the "normal" stack window was centered.... half the goal was reached :-)

Best regards, thierry


ps: i'm going to Schleiden in the Eifel
Do you know better this real place :-)



From douez at wanadoo.fr  Sun Dec 19 11:34:02 2004
From: douez at wanadoo.fr (thierry)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 17:34:02 +0100
Subject: setRegistry...
In-Reply-To: <209091234.20041216111812@wanadoo.fr>
References: <3d8af415041215141826868355@mail.gmail.com>
 <3d8af415041215141826868355@mail.gmail.com>
 <5.1.0.14.0.20041216014003.02d6fea8@mail.tweedly.net>
 <55FBEF8E-4F0B-11D9-BB4F-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
 <209091234.20041216111812@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <1101656896.20041219173402@wanadoo.fr>

Hi,

need to write this value :
          "C:\Ba\Ba.exe" "-E" "%1"    in the Registry.

the function below almost works except for the Quotes !!!
this is important so -E is in $1 and %1 in $2...


setRegistry( "HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\BioArchimed\shell\open\command\", "C:\Ba\Ba.exe -E %1" )

Any clue

Best regards, thierry



From klaus at major-k.de  Sun Dec 19 11:40:25 2004
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 17:40:25 +0100
Subject: set a stack in the middel of the screen
In-Reply-To: <76457483.20041219162719@wanadoo.fr>
References: <3d8af415041215141826868355@mail.gmail.com>
	<3d8af415041215141826868355@mail.gmail.com>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20041216014003.02d6fea8@mail.tweedly.net>
	<55FBEF8E-4F0B-11D9-BB4F-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
	<844517321.20041219124755@wanadoo.fr>
	<C606932A-51BA-11D9-AFAD-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>
	<1234296603.20041219141506@wanadoo.fr>
	<CF3B9A0E-51C1-11D9-AFAD-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>
	<302131490.20041219153728@wanadoo.fr>
	<06FE752C-51CC-11D9-AFAD-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>
	<76457483.20041219162719@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <AEC43264-51DC-11D9-AFAD-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>

Bon soir Thierry,

>>> ok, this didn't make the difference... but then i tried
>>> something else, your "default" hit my mind :-)...
>>> Come back in Edit mode,
>>> redraw the stack with default decoration,
>>> and set the rect of the stack to the rect of the image.....
>>>
>>> and it works now :-)
>
> KM> Strange, isn't it?!!! :-)
>
> well, it's not the first time i find something strange....
> and not only with Revolution :-)
>
> i've seen the picture put in the left-top side of the stack window;
> so the "normal" stack window was centered.... half the goal was 
> reached :-)
>
> Best regards, thierry
>
>
> ps: i'm going to Schleiden in the Eifel
> Do you know better this real place :-)

I did not doubt the existence of "Eifeld", maybe i should have :-)

But i have to confess that my geographic knowledge is very poor :-)


Au revoir, mon ami...

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de


From jrosat at mac.com  Sun Dec 19 11:55:00 2004
From: jrosat at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?J=E9r=F4me_Rosat?=)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 17:55:00 +0100
Subject: How to use backgroundColor
Message-ID: <B89AFB39-51DE-11D9-8DDA-00039344A87E@mac.com>

Bonjour ? tous,

I try to change the background color of pair lines in a list field.

This is my code:

  if vLigne/2 = trunc(vLigne/2) then set the backgroundColor of line 
vLigne of field "fListeIcones" to "lightblue"

But only the background color of the text in the line change in light 
blue.  Not all the line (for example the background color don't change 
under tab) and not in all the hight of the line.

How to change the background color of an entire line in  a list field ?

Thanks for your answers.

J?r?me Rosat

From dsc at swcp.com  Sun Dec 19 12:27:23 2004
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 10:27:23 -0700
Subject: testing for Internet connection
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20041219115026.02e459f8@mail.tweedly.net>
References: <41C4892D.7000504@fourthworld.com>
	<41C4892D.7000504@fourthworld.com>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20041219115026.02e459f8@mail.tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <3E934F35-51E3-11D9-A564-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>


On Dec 19, 2004, at 5:04 AM, Alex Tweedly wrote:

> This problem happens to me all the time, because I use my laptop 
> connected to an ethernet which connects to the internet through 
> another computer using a dial-up line, and the dial-up is often 
> disconnected. Laptop thinks it has a connection (the ethernet is up) 
> and thinks it has DNS servers it can reach (because the main computer 
> acts as a DNS proxy) - but when it queries a host name, it is blocked 
> until the DNS response times out.

This illustrates that there are several meanings to "is connected to 
the Internet".

They might be:

A.  This computer thinks there is a route to a public IP address.
B.  #A and the route works.
C.  This computer can modify routing on demand to get to a public IP 
address.

I have not used a dialup connection in a while so, I don't remember all 
the problems involved.  One problem is that the act of checking can 
cause dialing to start.

Some ideas:

1
Open TCP to some http port on a reliable server.  This does a B check.

2
Open UPD to any port on a public address.  This does an A check and is 
fast.  Maybe this is less likely to cause a dial than #1.  This is 
non-intrusive.

3
Parse the results of a command-line utility.  Dial-up may take special 
consideration.  This does an A test.

4
External.  A test.

Dar

**********************************************
     DSC (Dar Scott Consulting & Dar's Lab)
     http://www.swcp.com/dsc/
     Programming Services and Software
**********************************************


From scott at tactilemedia.com  Sun Dec 19 12:33:04 2004
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 09:33:04 -0800
Subject: Bundle/Package Question
In-Reply-To: <a052106007c25b1dc58e9@[66.52.165.73]>
Message-ID: <BDEAFB50.1CC52%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Rob Cozens wrote:

>> Anyone know if it's possible to enable an OSX Rev standalone app to accept a
>> dropped file and automatically place it somewhere within its package
>> contents?
> 
> Here's what I use for d&d compression/decompression of files/folders on MacOS:
> 
> on appleEvent aeClass,aeId,aeSender -- 3 Dec 04:RCC
>  if aeId is not "odoc" then pass appleEvent
>  request appleEvent data
>  catchTheObject it
> end appleEvent
> 
> on catchTheObject droppedObject -- 3 Dec 04:RCC
>  switch (char -4 to -1 of droppedObject)
>  case ".sgz"
>    sdbExpandFile droppedObject
>    quit
>  case ".sga"
>    go to stack droppedObject
>    break
>  default
>    if there is a file droppedObject then
>      sdbCompressFile droppedObject
>      quit
>    else sdbCompressFolder droppedObject
>  end switch
> end catchTheObject

Thanks Rob:

Thanks, this is useful for me, but I should have described the situation
better.  I'm wondering if it's possible for the OSX package itself that's
sitting on the desktop to accept a drop (on the icon) and know to place a
file within its contents.  I don't need to filter any of the dropped files,
but simply place any file that is dropped on the app icon into a designated
folder.

Maybe this is too much voodoo to pull off...

Thanks & Regards.

P.S. I almost missed your message -- it came in from the year 1969... :-)

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Development & Design
-----
E: scott at tactilemedia.com
W: http://www.tactilemedia.com


From dsc at swcp.com  Sun Dec 19 12:45:36 2004
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 10:45:36 -0700
Subject: Bundle/Package Question
In-Reply-To: <a052106007c25b1dc58e9@[66.52.165.73]>
References: <BDE9FBF0.EA70%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<a052106007c25b1dc58e9@[66.52.165.73]>
Message-ID: <CA0CCF49-51E5-11D9-A564-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>


On Dec 19, 2004, at 8:18 AM, Rob Cozens wrote:

>> Anyone know if it's possible to enable an OSX Rev standalone app to 
>> accept a
>> dropped file and automatically place it somewhere within its package
>> contents?
>
> Here's what I use for d&d compression/decompression of files/folders 
> on MacOS:

To build on Rob's idea...  Maybe you can make a proxy that will add 
files to the app.  Drop files on the proxy icon and they are added to 
the app.

I think Alex used to build an app with XCODE that would add all the 
needed files and then copy in a executable from a standalone build.  
That was before the new standalone building.

Are you wanting the app to wake up and work in a special mode?

Dar

**********************************************
     DSC (Dar Scott Consulting & Dar's Lab)
     http://www.swcp.com/dsc/
     Programming Services and Software
**********************************************


From troy at rpsystems.net  Sun Dec 19 12:54:39 2004
From: troy at rpsystems.net (Troy Rollins)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 12:54:39 -0500
Subject: think addiction - kagi opinion
In-Reply-To: <200412190909546.SM01892@minipcxp>
References: <200412190909546.SM01892@minipcxp>
Message-ID: <0DB4594E-51E7-11D9-98AC-000A95A09CF8@rpsystems.net>


On Dec 19, 2004, at 10:08 AM, John Rule wrote:
>
> I find it amazing that there are so many proponents of 'freeware', but 
> they
> are diligent in charging for their own services.
>
> Programming is a service that needs to be paid for.

Well, there is programming as a service, and programming as a product. 
Contract programming as a service should obviously have its associated 
fees. Product development though is a game of risks (in terms of time 
investments, etc.) and marketing. It is pretty much up to the developer 
if payment is important to them on such an endeavor.
--
Troy
RPSystems, Ltd.
http://www.rpsystems.net


From webmaster at dreamscapesoftware.com  Sun Dec 19 13:28:49 2004
From: webmaster at dreamscapesoftware.com (Derek Bump)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 12:28:49 -0600
Subject: setRegistry...
References: <3d8af415041215141826868355@mail.gmail.com>
	<3d8af415041215141826868355@mail.gmail.com>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20041216014003.02d6fea8@mail.tweedly.net>
	<55FBEF8E-4F0B-11D9-BB4F-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
	<209091234.20041216111812@wanadoo.fr> <1101656896.20041219173402@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <011201c4e5f8$96d86270$980c113f@DOWNSTAIRS>

thierry,

You need to define the quotes in your script...

   put "C:\Ba\Ba.exe" && quote & "-E" & quote && quote & "%1" & quote into registryKeyData
   setRegistry( "HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\BioArchimed\shell\open\command\", registryKeyData)


Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software
____________________________________________
Compress Images Easily with JPEGCompress
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com

From scott at tactilemedia.com  Sun Dec 19 14:32:57 2004
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 11:32:57 -0800
Subject: Bundle/Package Question
In-Reply-To: <CA0CCF49-51E5-11D9-A564-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <BDEB1769.1CC74%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Dar Scott wrote:

>>> Anyone know if it's possible to enable an OSX Rev standalone app to
>>> accept a
>>> dropped file and automatically place it somewhere within its package
>>> contents?
>> 
>> Here's what I use for d&d compression/decompression of files/folders
>> on MacOS:
> 
> Are you wanting the app to wake up and work in a special mode?

No, I'm simply trying to avoid forcing a use to go through the whole "show
package contents - navigate nested subfolders - find specified folder - copy
files to folder" routine.  Ideally I'd like a user to be able to drop their
files on the icon and the files get placed in a designated folder.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Development & Design
-----
E: scott at tactilemedia.com
W: http://www.tactilemedia.com


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sun Dec 19 14:53:48 2004
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 11:53:48 -0800
Subject: Bundle/Package Question
In-Reply-To: <BDEB1769.1CC74%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <BDEB1769.1CC74%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <41C5DC4C.3090103@fourthworld.com>

Scott Rossi wrote:
> Recently, Dar Scott wrote:
> 
> 
>>>>Anyone know if it's possible to enable an OSX Rev standalone app to
>>>>accept a
>>>>dropped file and automatically place it somewhere within its package
>>>>contents?
>>>
>>>Here's what I use for d&d compression/decompression of files/folders
>>>on MacOS:
>>
>>Are you wanting the app to wake up and work in a special mode?
> 
> 
> No, I'm simply trying to avoid forcing a use to go through the whole "show
> package contents - navigate nested subfolders - find specified folder - copy
> files to folder" routine.  Ideally I'd like a user to be able to drop their
> files on the icon and the files get placed in a designated folder.

If memory serves your app will get an 'odoc' Apple event when a file is 
dropped on it. Use request to get the path, and then you should be able 
to use the path to copy the file's contents into your bundle.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  Developer of WebMerge: Publish any database on any Web site
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com

From cassj at earthlink.net  Sun Dec 19 14:55:30 2004
From: cassj at earthlink.net (James Cass)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 14:55:30 -0500
Subject: How to use backgroundColor
In-Reply-To: <B89AFB39-51DE-11D9-8DDA-00039344A87E@mac.com>
References: <B89AFB39-51DE-11D9-8DDA-00039344A87E@mac.com>
Message-ID: <EFA4AC14-51F7-11D9-87DE-000D93C26DB4@earthlink.net>

J?r?me -

I'm not exactly sure what you're trying to do, but have you tried using 
foregroundcolor instead of backgroundcolor?

HTH....James


On Dec 19, 2004, at 11:55 AM, J?r?me Rosat wrote:

> Bonjour ? tous,
>
> I try to change the background color of pair lines in a list field.
>
> This is my code:
>
>  if vLigne/2 = trunc(vLigne/2) then set the backgroundColor of line 
> vLigne of field "fListeIcones" to "lightblue"
>
> But only the background color of the text in the line change in light 
> blue.  Not all the line (for example the background color don't change 
> under tab) and not in all the hight of the line.
>
> How to change the background color of an entire line in  a list field ?
>
> Thanks for your answers.
>
> J?r?me Rosat
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>


From chipp at chipp.com  Sun Dec 19 15:01:36 2004
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 14:01:36 -0600
Subject: testing for Internet connection
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20041219115026.02e459f8@mail.tweedly.net>
References: <41C4892D.7000504@fourthworld.com>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20041219115026.02e459f8@mail.tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <1103486501.217FF34A@j29.dngr.org>

Alex,

You are correct in that if Dns is down then my function will return 
false, exactly how I wish it to work.

All my apps connect to domains, not IPaddresses, so a positive 
connecting to an IPaddress wouldn't explain to my users why they cannot 
connect to a domain.

Perhaps a combination ping then get url may suffice. I've over 10 apps 
testing with google, with no problems so far. I imagine google can 
withstand a dos better than my servers.

On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 6:15 am, Alex Tweedly wrote:
which can be avoided by using numeric IP addresses rather than host 
names.  Using a host name will cause the Rev app to block for 10-30 
seconds while it waits for a DNS response (see BZ 2117 for details -  
Mark W.'s solution is a non-blocking ping)
>
> This problem happens to me all the time, because I use my laptop 
> connected to an ethernet which connects to the internet through another 
> computer using a dial-up line, and the dial-up is often disconnected. 
> Laptop thinks it has a connection (the ethernet is up) and thinks it 
> has DNS servers it can reach (because the main computer acts as a DNS 
> proxy) - but when it queries a host name, it is blocked until the DNS 
> response times out.
>
>> if your user is not connected, they will probably get an 'invalid host'
>> answer. Testing against google seems always to work for me. I figure, 
>> if
>> they can't get to google, then they can't get to my server.
>
> Google has been the target of a number of DoS attacks, so there have 
> been at least two occasions when large parts of the net couldn't get an 
> answer from Google, but could have done from you.
>
> -- Alex.

From rev at armbase.com  Sun Dec 19 15:13:48 2004
From: rev at armbase.com (Bob Hartley)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 20:13:48 +0000
Subject: clone and rename
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041219195743.01af9758@mail.armbase.com>

Hi All.
I want create a modify-able file via my application toolbar.exe. So I have 
a toolbar.exe and ask it to call a .rev file fro modification. This file 
will require to be saved. Therefore, I wish to clone a template and rename 
it (immediately rename it) then ask the user to save.

So the scenario would be....

open toolbar.exe which gives the options "create new" or "open existing"

Create new will clone a .rev file eg template.rev and rename it to newname.rev

I am stuck on the rename section.To clone it I have
on mouseUp
   clone stack "bts/template.rev"
end mouseUp

I cant find the code to rename it. Can I insert it in the same handler?

I tried
on mouseUp
   clone stack "bts/template.rev"
rename stack template.rev to newname.rev
end mouseUp

All I get is a file called "copy of template.rev

Any ideas (apart from me being stupid) :-)

Cheers
bob



From dsc at swcp.com  Sun Dec 19 15:12:17 2004
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 13:12:17 -0700
Subject: Bundle/Package Question
In-Reply-To: <BDEB1769.1CC74%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <BDEB1769.1CC74%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <47DC2D84-51FA-11D9-A564-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>


On Dec 19, 2004, at 12:32 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:

>> Are you wanting the app to wake up and work in a special mode?
>
> No, I'm simply trying to avoid forcing a use to go through the whole 
> "show
> package contents - navigate nested subfolders - find specified folder 
> - copy
> files to folder" routine.  Ideally I'd like a user to be able to drop 
> their
> files on the icon and the files get placed in a designated folder.

Hmmm.  When I drop a gif on my Photoshop app, it opens with that image. 
  It lit up signaling that it would accept the file.

When I hold a file over my app icon, for a tiny standalone I made, it 
doesn't light up, not even for stacks.

Dar

**********************************************
     DSC (Dar Scott Consulting & Dar's Lab)
     http://www.swcp.com/dsc/
     Programming Services and Software
**********************************************


From jrosat at mac.com  Sun Dec 19 15:17:58 2004
From: jrosat at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?J=E9r=F4me_Rosat?=)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 21:17:58 +0100
Subject: How to use backgroundColor
In-Reply-To: <EFA4AC14-51F7-11D9-87DE-000D93C26DB4@earthlink.net>
References: <B89AFB39-51DE-11D9-8DDA-00039344A87E@mac.com>
	<EFA4AC14-51F7-11D9-87DE-000D93C26DB4@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <130C9F75-51FB-11D9-8DDA-00039344A87E@mac.com>

James,

What I'm trying to do is:

- line 1 of my list field: background color white
- line 2 of my list field: background color light blue
- line 3 of my list field: background color white
- line 4 of my list field: background color light blue
- etc.

like a selected line. But the "backgroundcolor of line"  property don't 
change the color of the entire line, only the background of the text.

The foregroundcolor  property "specifies the color of object text" not 
the background.

J?r?me


Le 19 d?c. 04, ? 20:55, James Cass a ?crit :

> J?r?me -
>
> I'm not exactly sure what you're trying to do, but have you tried 
> using foregroundcolor instead of backgroundcolor?
>
> HTH....James
>
>
> On Dec 19, 2004, at 11:55 AM, J?r?me Rosat wrote:
>
>> Bonjour ? tous,
>>
>> I try to change the background color of pair lines in a list field.
>>
>> This is my code:
>>
>>  if vLigne/2 = trunc(vLigne/2) then set the backgroundColor of line 
>> vLigne of field "fListeIcones" to "lightblue"
>>
>> But only the background color of the text in the line change in light 
>> blue.  Not all the line (for example the background color don't 
>> change under tab) and not in all the hight of the line.
>>
>> How to change the background color of an entire line in  a list field 
>> ?
>>
>> Thanks for your answers.
>>
>> J?r?me Rosat
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
>
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022 880 20 70

From kee at kagi.com  Sun Dec 19 15:32:38 2004
From: kee at kagi.com (kee nethery)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 12:32:38 -0800
Subject: think addiction - kee's opinion
In-Reply-To: <200412190909546.SM01892@minipcxp>
References: <200412190909546.SM01892@minipcxp>
Message-ID: <1FABCCC0-51FD-11D9-BC2F-000A959B2940@kagi.com>

On Dec 19, 2004, at 7:08 AM, John Rule wrote:

>> 3. For your try-before-you-buy software, think addiction.
>
> Sort of like a drug dealer...
>
> Can we expect these same 'models' are going to be applied to your 
> service?
> Let us 'try it' (or you give it away for free), and we will pay for it 
> if we
> 'feel' like it.

When people sign up for the Kagi service, a human at Kagi spends time 
reviewing their application and then we assist them in getting 
everything set up so that they can begin to attempt to sell their 
products. Plenty of other online stores like Kagi charge an initial 
setup fee because that setup process costs real money in the form of 
manhours. So yes, the same model is applied to our store. We give away 
the cost of reviewing new suppliers and getting them set up in the 
hopes that they will sell through us, and we will eventually earn money 
from the relationship. So yes, we do give a portion away for free, same 
as what I recommend for folks starting a software business.

> I find it amazing that there are so many proponents of 'freeware', but 
> they
> are diligent in charging for their own services.

I'm not a proponent of freeware. I'm a proponent of trading what you 
have for what you need. When a software developer wants to build a 
software business, they have ideas, time, and programming expertise. 
They do not have marketshare or customers or an income stream. I am a 
proponent of trading ideas, time, and programming expertise for 
marketshare and then when the marketshare is high, converting that into 
customers and income stream. It's a marketing strategy that works quite 
well for people who do not have the funds that it takes to go the 
traditional route of getting products into shrinkwrap on store shelves, 
nor the funds to run massive advertising campaigns.

> Programming is a service that needs to be paid for.

I totally agree that programming as a service needs to be paid for. We 
hire programmers and we pay for their services.

A software business is a different animal. I do not believe that it 
makes sense to complain when people do not pay for a product that they 
did not ask someone to build. A product is not a service, it is a 
product, and there is nothing that says that all products that are 
created must be paid for.

Programmers that trade what they have for what they need can over time 
build a successful software business. I've seen many examples where 
this is true.

My most important piece of advice I give to people who want to start a 
software business is "Don't quit the day job". Building a successful 
software business can take years of effort, some of which is 
programming, most of it is in taking the time to learn how best to 
build marketshare. Most people who quit a job to start a software 
business are doomed to run out of funds before they make enough 
mistakes to learn what they need to learn to be a success.

Regardless whether someone on this list uses Kagi or not, I'd be happy 
to spend some time engaging in a conversation with them about their 
software business. I don't know anything about programming businesses, 
but I do have some experience with software businesses.

Kee Nethery


From alex at tweedly.net  Sun Dec 19 15:55:36 2004
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 20:55:36 +0000
Subject: testing for Internet connection
In-Reply-To: <1103486501.217FF34A@j29.dngr.org>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20041219115026.02e459f8@mail.tweedly.net>
 <41C4892D.7000504@fourthworld.com>
 <5.1.0.14.0.20041219115026.02e459f8@mail.tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20041219203912.026aa3a0@mail.tweedly.net>

At 14:01 19/12/2004 -0600, Chipp Walters wrote:

>Alex,
>
>You are correct in that if Dns is down then my function will return false, 
>exactly how I wish it to work.

I agree that's what you need it to do. The problem is that in some 
circumstances (such as the one I described earlier), it won't respond AT 
ALL for about 30 seconds. During that time, the app will be completely 
non-responsive - doesn't make a good impression on users. If a user gets 
tired of waiting for this unresponsive app, and clicks on the close button, 
she'll get the Windows error "app is not responding - do you want to 
terminate it".

>All my apps connect to domains, not IPaddresses, so a positive connecting 
>to an IPaddress wouldn't explain to my users why they cannot connect to a 
>domain.

>Perhaps a combination ping then get url may suffice.

That's what I was suggesting. A ping (to numeric IP) to verify that a 
logical route to the internet exists - followed by a get URL - ideally to 
the host/domain that the app needs to connect to, or failing that get URL 
to a well-known, well-connected, safe server (google, yahoo, akamai, cisco, 
or some such).

If the ping fails, there is no connectivity to the internet (and your app 
remains responsive).
If the ping succeeds, you still want to check DNS and general routing 
before you declare success.

If you can get URL from google, but not from the server the app needs, how 
does that get reported to the user ?  Seems to me most users don't need to 
(or want to) distinguish between those two cases, so the only thing that 
really matters is successful communication with the server the app needs to 
talk to.

>I've over 10 apps testing with google, with no problems so far. I imagine 
>google can withstand a dos better than my servers.

Yeah, Google have been off the air for around 18 hours in the last 4 years 
- so it's not a major problem :-)  But if the app won't do anything useful 
without contact to your own app - why not just test that directly. Having a 
tiny html file (assuming you need to serve html anyway) is almost no cost, 
and will give the client apps exactly the info they need.

-- Alex.

From dsc at swcp.com  Sun Dec 19 16:28:58 2004
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 14:28:58 -0700
Subject: Protecting your Rev apps - freeware options
In-Reply-To: <1096BA94-5119-11D9-BC2F-000A959B2940@kagi.com>
References: <20041218072630.545DC930067@mail.runrev.com>
	<1096BA94-5119-11D9-BC2F-000A959B2940@kagi.com>
Message-ID: <FE86C3DF-5204-11D9-A564-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>


On Dec 18, 2004, at 10:20 AM, kee nethery wrote:

> 1. Go for the biggest potential audience you can find.

Thanks, Kee.  I needed to hear that.

Dar

**********************************************
     DSC (Dar Scott Consulting & Dar's Lab)
     http://www.swcp.com/dsc/
     Programming Services and Software
**********************************************


From toeloop at swissonline.ch  Sun Dec 19 16:30:58 2004
From: toeloop at swissonline.ch (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Thomas_B=E4hler?=)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 22:30:58 +0100
Subject: Can't build a standalone
Message-ID: <46135C89-5205-11D9-9045-00306555CAAA@swissonline.ch>

Dear List
I wanted to save a stack as standalone application but I get
only a dialog window saying "There was an error while saving the 
standalone application".
Nothing else! Doesn't matter whether I want to make PC or Mac 
standalone, or on which Harddisk
I try to save it.
Does anybody have a tip where I should start to resolve this problem?

RunRev 2.5 Enterprise
Mac OSX 10.2.8

Thanks
Thomas


From douez at wanadoo.fr  Sun Dec 19 16:45:22 2004
From: douez at wanadoo.fr (thierry)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 22:45:22 +0100
Subject: setRegistry...
In-Reply-To: <011201c4e5f8$96d86270$980c113f@DOWNSTAIRS>
References: <3d8af415041215141826868355@mail.gmail.com>
 <3d8af415041215141826868355@mail.gmail.com>
 <5.1.0.14.0.20041216014003.02d6fea8@mail.tweedly.net>
 <55FBEF8E-4F0B-11D9-BB4F-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
 <209091234.20041216111812@wanadoo.fr> <1101656896.20041219173402@wanadoo.fr>
 <011201c4e5f8$96d86270$980c113f@DOWNSTAIRS>
Message-ID: <944172301.20041219224522@wanadoo.fr>

DB> thierry,

DB> You need to define the quotes in your script...

DB>    put "C:\Ba\Ba.exe" && quote & "-E" & quote && quote & "%1" & quote into registryKeyData
DB>    setRegistry( "HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\BioArchimed\shell\open\command\", registryKeyData)

Excellent !

Merci,
thierry



From cassj at earthlink.net  Sun Dec 19 17:01:05 2004
From: cassj at earthlink.net (James Cass)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 17:01:05 -0500
Subject: How to use backgroundColor
In-Reply-To: <130C9F75-51FB-11D9-8DDA-00039344A87E@mac.com>
References: <B89AFB39-51DE-11D9-8DDA-00039344A87E@mac.com>
	<EFA4AC14-51F7-11D9-87DE-000D93C26DB4@earthlink.net>
	<130C9F75-51FB-11D9-8DDA-00039344A87E@mac.com>
Message-ID: <7AC39A6C-5209-11D9-87DE-000D93C26DB4@earthlink.net>

J?r?me -

Okay.  I see what you're trying to do.  I've tried various things, but 
I don't see how to do it either.  I'm not one of the Revolution Black 
Belts though.  I'm still working on my green belt. :-)  Maybe one of 
the Masters can chime in.

-James


On Dec 19, 2004, at 3:17 PM, J?r?me Rosat wrote:

> James,
>
> What I'm trying to do is:
>
> - line 1 of my list field: background color white
> - line 2 of my list field: background color light blue
> - line 3 of my list field: background color white
> - line 4 of my list field: background color light blue
> - etc.
>
> like a selected line. But the "backgroundcolor of line"  property 
> don't change the color of the entire line, only the background of the 
> text.
>
> The foregroundcolor  property "specifies the color of object text" not 
> the background.
>
> J?r?me
>
>
> Le 19 d?c. 04, ? 20:55, James Cass a ?crit :
>
>> J?r?me -
>>
>> I'm not exactly sure what you're trying to do, but have you tried 
>> using foregroundcolor instead of backgroundcolor?
>>
>> HTH....James
>>
>>
>> On Dec 19, 2004, at 11:55 AM, J?r?me Rosat wrote:
>>
>>> Bonjour ? tous,
>>>
>>> I try to change the background color of pair lines in a list field.
>>>
>>> This is my code:
>>>
>>>  if vLigne/2 = trunc(vLigne/2) then set the backgroundColor of line 
>>> vLigne of field "fListeIcones" to "lightblue"
>>>
>>> But only the background color of the text in the line change in 
>>> light blue.  Not all the line (for example the background color 
>>> don't change under tab) and not in all the hight of the line.
>>>
>>> How to change the background color of an entire line in  a list 
>>> field ?
>>>
>>> Thanks for your answers.
>>>
>>> J?r?me Rosat
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-revolution mailing list
>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>>
>>
> J?r?me Rosat
> 13, chemin des Palettes
> 1212 Grand-Lancy
>
> 022 880 20 70
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>


From bill at igame3d.com  Sun Dec 19 17:09:48 2004
From: bill at igame3d.com (william griffin)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 17:09:48 -0500
Subject: Tiny und Toni Game
In-Reply-To: <20041218170024.D3517930248@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20041218170024.D3517930248@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <B263B7A4-520A-11D9-8B6F-0030657D0A8E@igame3d.com>

Very nice work there, you should have shot for uDevGames, even 
unfinished that would have
been a winner.

I posted links to your game and library at iDevGames forums so that 
potential game
makers might actually get interested in Revolution, and those that 
license Revolution
and loathe the list can access it.

http://www.idevgames.com/forum/showthread.php?p=75991#post75991

"libRMC is password protected. If you want to know
how it works and see all the Scripts you need to buy the Revolution 
Multimedia Cookbook.
(the Revolution Multimedia Cookbook will be finished September 2004)"

oh yeah? where is this thing?

Mr Bill


From thierry.arbellot at wanadoo.fr  Sun Dec 19 17:10:27 2004
From: thierry.arbellot at wanadoo.fr (Thierry Arbellot)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 23:10:27 +0100
Subject: How to use backgroundColor
In-Reply-To: <130C9F75-51FB-11D9-8DDA-00039344A87E@mac.com>
Message-ID: <C9A38B02-520A-11D9-994E-000A27E40768@wanadoo.fr>

Bonsoir J?rome,

I had the sample problem in one of my app.
I used 2 different workarounds:
1. pad the line with enough space characters to make the line have the 
same width as the field
2. make the field transparent and display a colored rectangle behind 
each line

If your target is just to have white and blue lines alternatively, you 
can put a pattern in the background of the field. But there are some 
restrictions on the pattern size, like 16 or 32 pixels.

Hope it helps.

Thierry

On Sunday, Dec 19, 2004, at 21:17 Europe/Paris, J?r?me Rosat wrote:

> James,
>
> What I'm trying to do is:
>
> - line 1 of my list field: background color white
> - line 2 of my list field: background color light blue
> - line 3 of my list field: background color white
> - line 4 of my list field: background color light blue
> - etc.
>
> like a selected line. But the "backgroundcolor of line"  property 
> don't change the color of the entire line, only the background of the 
> text.
>
> The foregroundcolor  property "specifies the color of object text" not 
> the background.
>
> J?r?me
>
>
> Le 19 d?c. 04, ? 20:55, James Cass a ?crit :
>
>> J?r?me -
>>
>> I'm not exactly sure what you're trying to do, but have you tried 
>> using foregroundcolor instead of backgroundcolor?
>>
>> HTH....James
>>
>>
>> On Dec 19, 2004, at 11:55 AM, J?r?me Rosat wrote:
>>
>>> Bonjour ? tous,
>>>
>>> I try to change the background color of pair lines in a list field.
>>>
>>> This is my code:
>>>
>>>  if vLigne/2 = trunc(vLigne/2) then set the backgroundColor of line 
>>> vLigne of field "fListeIcones" to "lightblue"
>>>
>>> But only the background color of the text in the line change in 
>>> light blue.  Not all the line (for example the background color 
>>> don't change under tab) and not in all the hight of the line.
>>>
>>> How to change the background color of an entire line in  a list 
>>> field ?
>>>
>>> Thanks for your answers.
>>>
>>> J?r?me Rosat
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-revolution mailing list
>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>>
>>
> J?r?me Rosat
> 13, chemin des Palettes
> 1212 Grand-Lancy
>
> 022 880 20 70
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>



From kray at sonsothunder.com  Sun Dec 19 17:10:28 2004
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 16:10:28 -0600
Subject: clone and rename
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20041219195743.01af9758@mail.armbase.com>
Message-ID: <BDEB5874.B846%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 12/19/04 2:13 PM, "Bob Hartley" <rev at armbase.com> wrote:

> Hi All.
> I want create a modify-able file via my application toolbar.exe. So I have
> a toolbar.exe and ask it to call a .rev file fro modification. This file
> will require to be saved. Therefore, I wish to clone a template and rename
> it (immediately rename it) then ask the user to save.
> 
> So the scenario would be....
> 
> open toolbar.exe which gives the options "create new" or "open existing"
> 
> Create new will clone a .rev file eg template.rev and rename it to newname.rev
> 
> I am stuck on the rename section.To clone it I have
> on mouseUp
>    clone stack "bts/template.rev"
> end mouseUp
> 
> I cant find the code to rename it. Can I insert it in the same handler?

When you clone a stack, it creates the clone in memory with no specific file
location. It's also created with a "Copy of <stackName>" name, which you
might want to set as well. You need to set the 'filename' property of the
cloned stack and then save the stack, as in:

on mouseUp
  clone stack "bts/template.rev"
  set the name of it to "MyStack"
  set the filename of stack "MyStack" to "bts/mycopy.rev"
  save stack "MyStack"
end mouseUp

HTH,

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From jrosat at mac.com  Sun Dec 19 17:25:00 2004
From: jrosat at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?J=E9r=F4me_Rosat?=)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 23:25:00 +0100
Subject: How to use backgroundColor
In-Reply-To: <C9A38B02-520A-11D9-994E-000A27E40768@wanadoo.fr>
References: <C9A38B02-520A-11D9-994E-000A27E40768@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <D2488B58-520C-11D9-8DDA-00039344A87E@mac.com>

Bonsoir Thierry,

Thanks for your answer. It's help me a lot. I'm going to try the 
pattern solution.

J?r?me

Le 19 d?c. 04, ? 23:10, Thierry Arbellot a ?crit :

> Bonsoir J?rome,
>
> I had the sample problem in one of my app.
> I used 2 different workarounds:
> 1. pad the line with enough space characters to make the line have the 
> same width as the field
> 2. make the field transparent and display a colored rectangle behind 
> each line
>
> If your target is just to have white and blue lines alternatively, you 
> can put a pattern in the background of the field. But there are some 
> restrictions on the pattern size, like 16 or 32 pixels.
>
> Hope it helps.
>
> Thierry
>
> On Sunday, Dec 19, 2004, at 21:17 Europe/Paris, J?r?me Rosat wrote:
>
>> James,
>>
>> What I'm trying to do is:
>>
>> - line 1 of my list field: background color white
>> - line 2 of my list field: background color light blue
>> - line 3 of my list field: background color white
>> - line 4 of my list field: background color light blue
>> - etc.
>>
>> like a selected line. But the "backgroundcolor of line"  property 
>> don't change the color of the entire line, only the background of the 
>> text.
>>
>> The foregroundcolor  property "specifies the color of object text" 
>> not the background.
>>
>> J?r?me
>>
>>
>> Le 19 d?c. 04, ? 20:55, James Cass a ?crit :
>>
>>> J?r?me -
>>>
>>> I'm not exactly sure what you're trying to do, but have you tried 
>>> using foregroundcolor instead of backgroundcolor?
>>>
>>> HTH....James
>>>
>>>
>>> On Dec 19, 2004, at 11:55 AM, J?r?me Rosat wrote:
>>>
>>>> Bonjour ? tous,
>>>>
>>>> I try to change the background color of pair lines in a list field.
>>>>
>>>> This is my code:
>>>>
>>>>  if vLigne/2 = trunc(vLigne/2) then set the backgroundColor of line 
>>>> vLigne of field "fListeIcones" to "lightblue"
>>>>
>>>> But only the background color of the text in the line change in 
>>>> light blue.  Not all the line (for example the background color 
>>>> don't change under tab) and not in all the hight of the line.
>>>>
>>>> How to change the background color of an entire line in  a list 
>>>> field ?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for your answers.
>>>>
>>>> J?r?me Rosat
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> use-revolution mailing list
>>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-revolution mailing list
>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>>>
>>>
>> J?r?me Rosat
>> 13, chemin des Palettes
>> 1212 Grand-Lancy
>>
>> 022 880 20 70
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
>
J?r?me Rosat
13, chemin des Palettes
1212 Grand-Lancy

022 880 20 70


From chipp at chipp.com  Sun Dec 19 17:40:47 2004
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 14:40:47 -0800
Subject: [Fwd: Re: testing for Internet connection]
Message-ID: <41C6036F.6020404@chipp.com>

Alex Tweedly wrote:

> I agree that's what you need it to do. The problem is that in some 
> circumstances (such as the one I described earlier), it won't respond AT 
> ALL for about 30 seconds. During that time, the app will be completely 
> non-responsive - doesn't make a good impression on users. If a user gets 
> tired of waiting for this unresponsive app, and clicks on the close 
> button, she'll get the Windows error "app is not responding - do you 
> want to terminate it".

Good point.


>> Perhaps a combination ping then get url may suffice.
> 
> 
> That's what I was suggesting. A ping (to numeric IP) to verify that a 
> logical route to the internet exists - followed by a get URL - ideally 
> to the host/domain that the app needs to connect to, or failing that get 
> URL to a well-known, well-connected, safe server (google, yahoo, akamai, 
> cisco, or some such).

Then there's always the question, what ip address do you ping? Any
IPaddress I have may or may not be available at a given time as
IPAddresses are even less reliable than domains. Perhaps you know of an
IPaddress which is 'always on'? Then, it would make a good first ping
for the handler/function.

I, like Richard, and others, have perused the lists to no final outcome
regarding this 'am I connected' issue. I like your idea of pinging
first, and it would be a wonderful contribution to the community to
collectively create the best handler/function for this.


> If you can get URL from google, but not from the server the app needs, 
> how does that get reported to the user ?  Seems to me most users don't 
> need to (or want to) distinguish between those two cases, so the only 
> thing that really matters is successful communication with the server 
> the app needs to talk to.

I have my own errors dialogs when connecting/not connecting. But, it is
easier to debug if I know the user can already get to Google.


> Yeah, Google have been off the air for around 18 hours in the last 4 
> years - so it's not a major problem :-)  But if the app won't do 
> anything useful without contact to your own app - why not just test that 
> directly. Having a tiny html file (assuming you need to serve html 
> anyway) is almost no cost, and will give the client apps exactly the 
> info they need.

Google's record is better than mine! ;-)



From sarahr at genesearch.com.au  Sun Dec 19 17:45:43 2004
From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 08:45:43 +1000
Subject: Applescript error?
In-Reply-To: <DF6269E8-5031-11D9-93BE-0003938CD4F4@mac.com>
References: <DF6269E8-5031-11D9-93BE-0003938CD4F4@mac.com>
Message-ID: <B73D11A7-520F-11D9-80AA-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au>

> New to Revolution. May be a convert from HyperCard :-) Playing with 
> the 30 day demo.
Welcome to the gang! Keep asking questions so you can get the most out 
of the 30 days.
>
> 1) I have a button in my HyperCard stack -with a Hypertalk script- 
> which has as its content a small applescript. So "do me as 
> applescript" in the Hypertalk script executes. Where is the best place 
> to put this snippet of applescript in my Rev Stack? Or, even better 
> than compiling it again everytime, is there a better way to do this?
Custom properties or a field which you can hide once you have it 
working perfectly. I always recommend that all AppleScripts be tested 
in the AppleScript Editor first, with faked variables if necessary, 
then transferred into Rev.
>
> 2) A question too about overhead. This is a small stack I want to run, 
> basically one card that requests to a network and an applescript to 
> send stuff to iCal. If I buy Dreamcard, I need to run it to access the 
> stack. Upgrading to the Studio edition will allow me to build 
> standalones... and it will just be stuff I'm running on this Mac, 
> perhaps three or so stacks concurrently, OSX dual USB iBook. What is 
> going to be the best use of Memory?
DreamCard has to include all of the libraries but may not load them 
into memory. A standalone will only include the required libraries i.e. 
if you don't print, it won't have the printing library. This may make a 
small difference in memory usage. Revolution loves LOTS of RAM, so if 
you can, get more :-)
>
> 3) :-) I have had Rev quit a couple of times developing this little 
> stack, as Rev pages in and out of RAM, I think. Maybe it's the calls 
> to the applescript, which seem to launch HyperCard in Classic. So I 
> need to get that applescript up to where I can deal with it.
Again, more RAM would probably help, as would not having Classic 
running.
>
> 4) And the 'request from server' gives me back a -1701 error , which 
> is an AppleEvent thing, I think.
Are you requesting data from a program running on a remote machine? 
That won't work because Rev doesn't support the "eppc://" addressing 
scheme that remote AppleEvents use. From the "WhatsNew.txt" file:
Issue:  The "send to program" command does not yet support the new 
"eppc:' URL
scheme that OS X uses for system addresses. This means that on OS X, 
you can use
the "send to program" command to send Apple Events to programs on the 
same system,
but not to other systems.
Workaround:  Use sockets to communicate between systems.

> 5) and I forget because I was interrupted by my daughter... hmmmm.... 
> you can't help me with that :-)
No, sorry - I've never used the "daughter" module, only the "son".

Cheers,
Sarah
sarahr at genesearch.com.au
http://www.troz.net/Rev/


From sarahr at genesearch.com.au  Sun Dec 19 17:56:44 2004
From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 08:56:44 +1000
Subject: moving content of variable
In-Reply-To: <8E4B998C-5073-11D9-93BE-0003938CD4F4@mac.com>
References: <465E1C5C-5049-11D9-93BE-0003938CD4F4@mac.com>
	<3C5FC8DE-504C-11D9-B04B-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
	<8617E56B-505A-11D9-93BE-0003938CD4F4@mac.com>
	<41C341BA.4070609@hyperactivesw.com>
	<8E4B998C-5073-11D9-93BE-0003938CD4F4@mac.com>
Message-ID: <41449D6C-5211-11D9-80AA-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au>

> so I've tried setting the clipboarddata["text"], but the applescript 
> balks at getting the clipboard, or I am not calling the applescript 
> correctly.
>
> The Transcript:
>
> on mouseUp
> put card field "TheItems" into TheItems
> answer TheItems &&"1" -- just to test that it was working
> repeat while last char of TheItems is return
> delete last char of TheItems
> end repeat
replace the 3 lines above with:
filter TheItems without empty   -- remove any blank lines
> set the clipboardData["text"] to TheItems
> --tell application "HyperCard" to copy variable "TheItems" to TheItems
> -- was launching HyperCard in Classic, perhaps responsible for Rev's 
> crashes
> do card field "TheItems" as Applescript
instead of the 4 lines above:
put card field "TheItems" into tScript
-- insert your data into the text of the AppleScript
replace "***DATA***" with TheItems in tScript
do tScript as AppleScript
put the result into tResult   -- get the value returned by the 
AppleScript

> --do the SendListToiCal of me as applescript -- don't know if this 
> works as I am working with the card field script
> put empty into TheItems
> put empty into card fld "TheItems"
> end mouseUp
>
>  the Applescript:
>
>
-- new first line of AppleScript
put "***DATA***" into TheItems    -- this is where the Rev data gets 
inserted
> display dialog the clipboard & " 2" --nada no response nothing
display dialog TheItems & " 2"     -- now you should see the passed data
> --set TheItems to the clipboard
> --display dialog TheItems &" 3"
>
> set AppleScript's text item delimiters to {return} --probably have to 
> deal; with this 10/13 thing later
> set TheItems to text items of TheItems
> set AppleScript's text item delimiters to {","}
> set TheItems to text items of TheItems
> set AppleScript's text item delimiters to {""}
>
> tell application "iCal"
> 	repeat with m from 1 to (count of TheItems)
> 		set the NewToDo to make new todo at the end of the todos of the 
> calendar 5 with properties {due date:(current date), priority:3, 
> summary:(item m of TheItems)}
> 	end repeat
> end tell
return (whatever info needs to be returned)

Hope this helps,
Sarah


From jeff at siphonophore.com  Sun Dec 19 18:00:14 2004
From: jeff at siphonophore.com (Jeffrey Reynolds)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 18:00:14 -0500
Subject: Can't build a standalone
In-Reply-To: <20041219220550.95C6393005D@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20041219220550.95C6393005D@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BE3CC9C3-5211-11D9-B131-000D93391176@siphonophore.com>

Thomas,

was this a natively build rev stack or a metacard stack brought over to 
rev? i have had the same issue when trying to build new rev apps out of 
stacks started in mc. one thing is to make sure all the stack resources 
(dialog boxes, message box, etc) are removed, rev handles this 
differently (ie message box can conflict with the rev message box) and 
installs the resources necessary for the standalone when its built.

cheers,

jeff

Jeffrey Reynolds
6620 Michaels Dr
Bethesda, MD  20817
301.469.8562
jeff at siphonophore.com

On Dec 19, 2004, at 5:05 PM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com 
wrote:

> Message: 16
> Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 22:30:58 +0100
> From: Thomas B?hler<toeloop at swissonline.ch>
> Subject: Can't build a standalone
> To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Message-ID: <46135C89-5205-11D9-9045-00306555CAAA at swissonline.ch>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
>
> Dear List
> I wanted to save a stack as standalone application but I get
> only a dialog window saying "There was an error while saving the
> standalone application".
> Nothing else! Doesn't matter whether I want to make PC or Mac
> standalone, or on which Harddisk
> I try to save it.
> Does anybody have a tip where I should start to resolve this problem?
>
> RunRev 2.5 Enterprise
> Mac OSX 10.2.8
>
> Thanks
> Thomas


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Sun Dec 19 18:19:10 2004
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 17:19:10 -0600
Subject: How to use backgroundColor
In-Reply-To: <7AC39A6C-5209-11D9-87DE-000D93C26DB4@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <BDEB688E.B877%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 12/19/04 4:01 PM, "James Cass" <cassj at earthlink.net> wrote:

>> What I'm trying to do is:
>> 
>> - line 1 of my list field: background color white
>> - line 2 of my list field: background color light blue
>> - line 3 of my list field: background color white
>> - line 4 of my list field: background color light blue
>> - etc.

This is like the display in iTunes, right? Monte Goulding wrote a library
for this called "libLinedFields" which you can download from:

http://www.sweattechnologies.com/rev/

Have fun!

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From malte.brill at t-online.de  Sun Dec 19 18:20:55 2004
From: malte.brill at t-online.de (malte.brill at t-online.de)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 00:20:55 +0100 (CET)
Subject: TT game
In-Reply-To: <20041219220550.CC615930153@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20041219220550.CC615930153@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <1103497082.41c6077a75020@modem.webmail.t-online.de>

Hi Mr. Bill,

>Very nice work there, you should have shot for uDevGames, even 
>unfinished that would have been a winner.

Thanks. :-) Glad to hear you like it. I didn?t qualify for uDevGames as
this is a commercial product (at least a project I hope I?ll get paied
for it pretty soon... This project almost ruined me) My customer gives
it away for free to raise interest for his Homepage and it is mainly
geared to a german audience. He?s been very strict with what kind of
information the development team was allowed to put into the game and
he wouldn?t have allowed us  to put the iDevGames info into the game.

 >I posted links to your game and library at iDevGames forums so that 
>potential game makers might actually get interested in Revolution, and
those that 
> license Revolution and loathe the list can access it.

Well, thanks for posting a link to my lib. Concerning the game I hope
my customer wont be upset if he happens to stumble over the link and
that this won?t cause me trouble (did I mention the customer is very
strict with what kind of information should be.. :-X .. say no
more...).
My post with the links was meant  to be a temporary one only for the
fellow listas and it is likely that I take the game from my server
pretty soon.

>"libRMC is password protected. If you want to know
>how it works and see all the Scripts you need to buy the Revolution 
>Multimedia Cookbook.
>(the Revolution Multimedia Cookbook will be finished September 2004)"

>oh yeah? where is this thing?

Well actually most of it is on my Harddisc. I showed a preview version
on Malta at the ERC and the interest it gained motivates me to keep up
working on the Cookbook. But (as it is always the case) this is a
question of time=money. I needed to concentrate on finishing the game
(this was about 13 weeks of work, 10 hours a day for three people) to
pay  the things I need to pay and buy food for my family. When I first
posted links to the library it didn?t gain too much feedback, so I
wondered if I was the only person interested in pushing the library and
the tutorials for it. The Malta conference proofed me wrong and I can
tell  I am working on both improving the library and the in depth
tutorials (aka cookbook) :-) 

Best,

Malte 

From sarahr at genesearch.com.au  Sun Dec 19 18:23:09 2004
From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 09:23:09 +1000
Subject: Bundle/Package Question
In-Reply-To: <BDE9FBF0.EA70%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <BDE9FBF0.EA70%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <F1CDC564-5214-11D9-80AA-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au>

Hi Scott,

I have an AppleScript droplet that accepts files dropped on them and 
puts them into the Contents/MacOS folder, deleting any older version 
first if necessary. If you would like a copy of the applet, let me know 
and I can send it to you off-list.

Cheers,
Sarah
sarahr at genesearch.com.au
http://www.troz.net/Rev/

On 19 Dec 2004, at 9:26 am, Scott Rossi wrote:

> Anyone know if it's possible to enable an OSX Rev standalone app to 
> accept a
> dropped file and automatically place it somewhere within its package
> contents?
>
> Thanks & Regards,
>
> Scott Rossi


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sun Dec 19 18:58:36 2004
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 15:58:36 -0800
Subject: Bundle/Package Question
In-Reply-To: <47DC2D84-51FA-11D9-A564-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
References: <BDEB1769.1CC74%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<47DC2D84-51FA-11D9-A564-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <41C615AC.6070900@fourthworld.com>

Dar Scott wrote:
> 
> Hmmm.  When I drop a gif on my Photoshop app, it opens with that image. 
>  It lit up signaling that it would accept the file.
> 
> When I hold a file over my app icon, for a tiny standalone I made, it 
> doesn't light up, not even for stacks.

Check your app's info.plist file, and add an entry for any file types 
you want supported.

This "Anatomy of a Bundle" article from Apple may be helpful:
<http://developer.apple.com/documentation/MacOSX/Conceptual/SystemOverview/Bundles/chapter_4_section_3.html>

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  __________________________________________________
  Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev

From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sun Dec 19 19:11:56 2004
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 16:11:56 -0800
Subject: Rev Interoperability Discussion Group
Message-ID: <41C618CC.2010101@fourthworld.com>

As I mentioned in my presentation in Malta at ERC 2004, I've put 
together a new discussion group at Yahoo to focus on issues and 
solutions for developers using Rev to make plugins and other components 
for use in multiple applications.

The Rev Interoperability group is at:
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/revInterop/>


I've uploaded two files there:

- EMCI.txt - A first (and rough) draft of a specification to
   help such components play nice with others.

- lib4WSHELL - An example library shell which can be used as
   a template for building your own libraries, with a few
   conveniences built in.  This shell is also available in
   RevNet.


If you build libraries and other components for use by other Rev 
developers, or have been itching to do so, this discussion group may be 
helpful.  Please feel free to rip apart the current rough draft spec so 
we can all contribute to revising it into something that's truly useful 
for everyone.

Here's the introduction section for the draft 001 to give you a feel for 
what that group's discussion is focused on:

------------------------------------------------------

INTRODUCTION
------------
As the Transcript development community grows we can expect many new 
innovative solutions coming from its members.  These include:

- Libraries
   Stack files that hold scripts which can be called from throughout
   the message path, initialized with "start using".

- Components
   Objects or groups of objects which have a specific purpose or
   function, such as a table widget or FTP settings dialog, useful
   across multiple projects.

- Templates
   Prefabricated collections of objects which work together to
   provide the basis for a complete software application, such
   as a shell for a slide show viewer or a system utility.

As the variety of these things grows issues of interoperability are 
introduced, such as name space conflicts among handlers or objects.  In 
addition to minimizing errors, there is an opportunity to provide easier 
integration of elements from different third parties.

This initiative proposes a set of conventions which aim to serve both 
goals, minimizing the risk of introducing errors when integrating 
elements, and exploring ways to make it simpler to use such elements.

Much of what is needed for that goal could be described generically as 
"metadata", additional information bound to the objects in question but 
which do not directly affect performance of those objects.

The Dublin Core Metadata Initiatibe (DCMI) is a consortium effort to 
facilitate exchange of documents.  Given that the goals of the DCMI and 
this initiative are in many ways very similar to ours, and that the DCMI 
working group has already expended tremendous investment in defining 
metadata needs for such purposes, this initiative aims to use DMCI 
nomenclature and conventions whenever practical.

To reinforce this deference to the DCMI project and as a tip-of-the-hat 
to the company that produces Transcript and Revolution (Runtime 
Revolution Ltd. of Edinburgh), this project is given the lighthearted 
name of "Edinburgh Core Metadata Initiative" ("ECMI").
....

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  Developer of WebMerge: Publish any database on any Web site
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com

From alex at tweedly.net  Sun Dec 19 19:50:21 2004
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 00:50:21 +0000
Subject: testing for Internet connection
In-Reply-To: <41C5F023.50702@chipp.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20041219203912.026aa3a0@mail.tweedly.net>
 <5.1.0.14.0.20041219115026.02e459f8@mail.tweedly.net>
 <41C4892D.7000504@fourthworld.com>
 <5.1.0.14.0.20041219115026.02e459f8@mail.tweedly.net>
 <5.1.0.14.0.20041219203912.026aa3a0@mail.tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20041219221430.0273df58@mail.tweedly.net>

At 13:18 19/12/2004 -0800, Chipp Walters wrote:
>Then there's always the question, what ip address do you ping? Any 
>IPaddress I have may or may not be available at a given time as 
>IPAddresses are even less reliable than domains. Perhaps you know of an 
>IPaddress which is 'always on'? Then, it would make a good first ping for 
>the handler/function.

Most of the IP addresses of the root DNS servers should be very reliable - 
recursive DNS servers will typically have these IP numbers stored in their 
cache file, and will try them as necessary to get the top-level delegated 
server address. Since they're stored as numeric addresses in thousands of 
hosts, they need to be fairly permanent.


But - they don't always work all the time, so need to try a number of them 
and if they don't succeed, then it's reasonable to assume there is no 
working connection. Should have a scheme to periodically update the list of 
addresses (leaving out the unreliable ones) and this should be very safe.

These addresses do change over time, but only very slowly, and typically 
the "old" addresses continue to be supported (for ping and DNS requests) 
for long periods (months or years).

(if the root servers are not reachable, then your DNS server is likely to 
be not very operational anyway :-)

>I, like Richard, and others, have perused the lists to no final outcome 
>regarding this 'am I connected' issue. I like your idea of pinging first, 
>and it would be a wonderful contribution to the community to collectively 
>create the best handler/function for this.

Here's a slightly modified version of your code (watch out for newlines).

Note 1. this allows an optional parameter of a numeric IP address to try 
first. This can (should) be set by the app to the last successful numeric 
IP address used (i.e. if the app succeeds in connecting, it should remember 
that IP address, and use it next time). Although server addresses do 
change, most of the time they will remain the same - and hence we avoid 
putting load on the public servers. If the server address has changed - 
well, we might succeed in getting a ping to work anyway - and that will 
imply that we have an internet connection. If not - no harm done, we then 
try the public servers.   [NB client apps that are likely to be run on an 
intranet should avoid this, since that can give a false-positive for having 
an internet connection]

Note 2. this does the pings one after another. It would be cool to set them 
off in parallel - but I don't know how (if?) that can be done in Rev. This 
means the worst case time-out (i.e. if not connected to the internet) is 
rather long, about 3 seconds. If this is too long, could trim out some of 
the root servers, or put a limit of maybe 5 to be tried.

Note 3. If you need to deal with long latency, might need to increase the 
timeout value, and/or try the "get URL" multiple times.

local rootServers = 
"198.41.0.4,128.9.0.107,192.33.4.12,128.8.10.90,192.5.5.241,128.63.2.53,192.36.148.17,192.58.128.30,193.0.14.129,198.32.64.12,202.12.27.33"
-- omit "new-B", E and G.root-servers.net - they have been temperamental

function IsConnected pNumericIPAddress, pURL
   -- optional pNumericIPAddress - an IP address for a previous 
"interesting server"
   -- optional URL to use for testing
   -- hide shell activity from user
   set the hideConsoleWindows to true

   put "Cannot reach Internet" into tResult
   -- if we have an "interesting server" try it first
   if pNumericIPAddress is not empty then
     put shell("ping -n 1 -w 200 " & pNumericIPAddress) into tVar
     if "Received = 1" is in tVar then put empty into tResult
   end if

   if tResult is not empty then
     sort items of rootServers by random(the number of items of rootServers)
     repeat for each item I in rootServers
       put shell("ping -n 1 -w 200 " & I) into tVar
       if "Received = 1" is in tVar then
         put empty into tResult
         exit repeat
       end if
     end repeat
   end if

   -- If we have succeeded so far, let's try a "get"
   if tResult is empty then
     if pURL is empty then put "www.google.com" into pURL
     if char 1 to 7 of pUrl <> "http://" then put "http://" before pUrl
     get URL pUrl
     put the result into tResult
   end if

   if tResult is empty then
     return true
   else
     answer information "Problem connecting to the internet: " & tResult
     return false
   end if
end IsConnected


-- Alex.

From b.xavier at internet.lu  Sun Dec 19 23:23:50 2004
From: b.xavier at internet.lu (MisterX)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 05:23:50 +0100
Subject: setRegistry...
In-Reply-To: <1101656896.20041219173402@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <20041220041423.C750A93006B@mail.runrev.com>

 if you want the quotes you have to include them in the string

like this:

 setRegistry( 
 "HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\BioArchimed\shell\open\command\", 
quote & "C:\Ba\Ba.exe" & quote && quote & "-E"& quote && quote & "%1"&quote
)
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com 
> [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of thierry
> Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 17:34
> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: setRegistry...
> 
> Hi,
> 
> need to write this value :
>           "C:\Ba\Ba.exe" "-E" "%1"    in the Registry.
> 
> the function below almost works except for the Quotes !!!
> this is important so -E is in $1 and %1 in $2...
> 
> 
> setRegistry( 
> "HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\BioArchimed\shell\open\command\", 
> "C:\Ba\Ba.exe -E %1" )
> 
> Any clue
> 
> Best regards, thierry
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> 


From b.xavier at internet.lu  Sun Dec 19 23:28:50 2004
From: b.xavier at internet.lu (MisterX)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 05:28:50 +0100
Subject: How to use backgroundColor
In-Reply-To: <B89AFB39-51DE-11D9-8DDA-00039344A87E@mac.com>
Message-ID: <20041220041923.CB90093008D@mail.runrev.com>

i never found a way and do believe I entered a bugzilla for it long ago.

The only way is to overlay a transparent button or image (use the blend
level for example)...

> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com 
> [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of 
> J?r?me Rosat
> Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 17:55
> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: How to use backgroundColor
> 
> Bonjour ? tous,
> 
> I try to change the background color of pair lines in a list field.
> 
> This is my code:
> 
>   if vLigne/2 = trunc(vLigne/2) then set the backgroundColor 
> of line vLigne of field "fListeIcones" to "lightblue"
> 
> But only the background color of the text in the line change 
> in light blue.  Not all the line (for example the background 
> color don't change under tab) and not in all the hight of the line.
> 
> How to change the background color of an entire line in  a 
> list field ?
> 
> Thanks for your answers.
> 
> J?r?me Rosat
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> 


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Sun Dec 19 23:31:16 2004
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 22:31:16 -0600
Subject: setRegistry...
In-Reply-To: <20041220041423.C750A93006B@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BDEBB1B4.B8C7%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 12/19/04 10:23 PM, "MisterX" <b.xavier at internet.lu> wrote:

>  if you want the quotes you have to include them in the string
> 
> like this:
> 
>  setRegistry( 
>  "HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\BioArchimed\shell\open\command\",
> quote & "C:\Ba\Ba.exe" & quote && quote & "-E"& quote && quote & "%1"&quote
> )

That's why I like the q() function, it makes it so much easier (I use it so
much, it's in my "standard library"):

setRegistry("HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\BioArchimed\shell\open\command\",
q("C:\Ba\Ba.exe") && q("-E") && q("%1"))

function q pWhat
  return quote & pWhat & quote
end q


Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From dsc at swcp.com  Mon Dec 20 00:42:23 2004
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 22:42:23 -0700
Subject: setRegistry...
In-Reply-To: <BDEBB1B4.B8C7%kray@sonsothunder.com>
References: <BDEBB1B4.B8C7%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <EC2DE582-5249-11D9-A564-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>


On Dec 19, 2004, at 9:31 PM, Ken Ray wrote:

> q("C:\Ba\Ba.exe") && q("-E") && q("%1")
   format("c:\\Ba\\Ba.exe \"-E\" \"&1\" ")

q() wins.

Dar

**********************************************
     DSC (Dar Scott Consulting & Dar's Lab)
     http://www.swcp.com/dsc/
     Programming Services and Software
**********************************************


From chipp at chipp.com  Mon Dec 20 02:11:33 2004
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 23:11:33 -0800
Subject: ANN: Altuit ships altBrowser for Mac and PC
Message-ID: <41C67B25.6040305@chipp.com>

 From the RunRev website:

We are extremely pleased to offer exclusively altBrowser, the first tool 
that allows you to display full html text inside a Revolution or 
Dreamcard program. Using the Safari engine on the Mac and Internet 
Explorer engine on the PC you can now have an app that also looks like a 
full featured web browser. Included in the package is a demo stack that 
shows you how to take advantage of many of the advanced features in this 
ground breaking package.

Runtime Revolution has a special holiday package, both altBrowser and 
MagicCarpet for $79. That's 55 dollars off the $134 retail price! Plus, 
you'll receive both copies of altBrowser and not only the MagicCarpet 
plugin, but also standalones for both Mac and PC.

If you'd like to see a demo of altBrowser in action on Mac or PC, please 
check out the demo at:
www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/altBrowserCover/default.htm

More information regarding MagicCarpet can be found at:
www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/MagicCarpetCover/default.htm

Visit www.runrev.com for more details about purchasing either altBrowser 
or MagicCarpet.


From chipp at chipp.com  Mon Dec 20 02:14:16 2004
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 23:14:16 -0800
Subject: my email is down..
Message-ID: <41C67BC8.2080702@chipp.com>

chipp at chipp.com is currently down, so if you wish to contact Altuit 
about altBrowser or MagicCarpet or anything else, please use 
chippwalters at tmail.com

Hope to have things fixed by tomorrow.
best,

Chipp

From Cubist at aol.com  Mon Dec 20 02:17:20 2004
From: Cubist at aol.com (Cubist at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 02:17:20 EST
Subject: use-revolution Digest, Vol 15, Issue 55
Message-ID: <8b.1cf2f7be.2ef7d680@aol.com>

.

From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Dec 20 02:47:39 2004
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 23:47:39 -0800
Subject: ANN: Altuit ships altBrowser for Mac and PC
In-Reply-To: <41C67B25.6040305@chipp.com>
References: <41C67B25.6040305@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <41C6839B.8010503@fourthworld.com>

Chipp Walters wrote:
>  From the RunRev website:
> 
> We are extremely pleased to offer exclusively altBrowser, the first tool 
> that allows you to display full html text inside a Revolution or 
> Dreamcard program. Using the Safari engine on the Mac and Internet 
> Explorer engine on the PC you can now have an app that also looks like a 
> full featured web browser. Included in the package is a demo stack that 
> shows you how to take advantage of many of the advanced features in this 
> ground breaking package.
> 
> Runtime Revolution has a special holiday package, both altBrowser and 
> MagicCarpet for $79. That's 55 dollars off the $134 retail price! Plus, 
> you'll receive both copies of altBrowser and not only the MagicCarpet 
> plugin, but also standalones for both Mac and PC.
> 
> If you'd like to see a demo of altBrowser in action on Mac or PC, please 
> check out the demo at:
> www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/altBrowserCover/default.htm
> 
> More information regarding MagicCarpet can be found at:
> www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/MagicCarpetCover/default.htm
> 
> Visit www.runrev.com for more details about purchasing either altBrowser 
> or MagicCarpet.

Congratulations on the launch, Chipp.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  __________________________________________________
  Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev

From douez at wanadoo.fr  Mon Dec 20 03:26:35 2004
From: douez at wanadoo.fr (thierry)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 09:26:35 +0100
Subject: setRegistry...
In-Reply-To: <EC2DE582-5249-11D9-A564-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
References: <BDEBB1B4.B8C7%kray@sonsothunder.com>
 <EC2DE582-5249-11D9-A564-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <67243918.20041220092635@wanadoo.fr>



>> q("C:\Ba\Ba.exe") && q("-E") && q("%1")
DS>    format("c:\\Ba\\Ba.exe \"-E\" \"&1\" ")

DS> q() wins.
DS> Dar

Agree 100 % :-)

thierry



From psahores at easynet.fr  Mon Dec 20 04:33:55 2004
From: psahores at easynet.fr (Pierre Sahores)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 10:33:55 +0100
Subject: ANN: Altuit ships altBrowser for Mac and PC
In-Reply-To: <41C67B25.6040305@chipp.com>
References: <41C67B25.6040305@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <445F7334-526A-11D9-920A-000A95C61E96@easynet.fr>

Congratulations Chipp !!! I will test the Windows and MacOS issues in 
january...

Best Regards, Pierre

Le 20 d?c. 04, ? 08:11, Chipp Walters a ?crit :

> From the RunRev website:
>
> We are extremely pleased to offer exclusively altBrowser, the first 
> tool that allows you to display full html text inside a Revolution or 
> Dreamcard program. Using the Safari engine on the Mac and Internet 
> Explorer engine on the PC you can now have an app that also looks like 
> a full featured web browser. Included in the package is a demo stack 
> that shows you how to take advantage of many of the advanced features 
> in this ground breaking package.
>
> Runtime Revolution has a special holiday package, both altBrowser and 
> MagicCarpet for $79. That's 55 dollars off the $134 retail price! 
> Plus, you'll receive both copies of altBrowser and not only the 
> MagicCarpet plugin, but also standalones for both Mac and PC.
>
> If you'd like to see a demo of altBrowser in action on Mac or PC, 
> please check out the demo at:
> www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/altBrowserCover/default.htm
>
> More information regarding MagicCarpet can be found at:
> www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/MagicCarpetCover/default.htm
>
> Visit www.runrev.com for more details about purchasing either 
> altBrowser or MagicCarpet.
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
>
-- 
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From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Mon Dec 20 04:39:20 2004
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 09:39:20 +0000
Subject: setRegistry...
In-Reply-To: <BDEBB1B4.B8C7%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <BDEC4E48.26315%benr_mc@cogapp.com>

on 20/12/04 4:31 am, Ken Ray wrote

>>  setRegistry( 
>>  "HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\BioArchimed\shell\open\command\",
>> quote & "C:\Ba\Ba.exe" & quote && quote & "-E"& quote && quote & "%1"&quote
>> )
> 
> That's why I like the q() function, it makes it so much easier (I use it so
> much, it's in my "standard library"):
> 
> setRegistry("HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\BioArchimed\shell\open\command\",
> q("C:\Ba\Ba.exe") && q("-E") && q("%1"))
> 
> function q pWhat
> return quote & pWhat & quote
> end q
> 


Also worth remembering, if speed is not critical (ie this is not inside your
most nested loop) is format.

    setRegistry("HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\BioArchimed\shell\open\command\",
                    format("\"C:\Ba\Ba.exe\" \"-E\" \"%1\"")

Even more convenient if you find yourself also making up strings including
returns (but remember a Transcript return is \n, not \r).
 
  Ben Rubinstein               |  Email: benr_mc at cogapp.com
  Cognitive Applications Ltd   |  Phone: +44 (0)1273-821600
  http://www.cogapp.com        |  Fax  : +44 (0)1273-728866



From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Mon Dec 20 06:04:44 2004
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 11:04:44 +0000
Subject: setRegistry...
In-Reply-To: <EC2DE582-5249-11D9-A564-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <BDEC624C.26344%benr_mc@cogapp.com>

on 20/12/04 5:42 am, Dar Scott wrote

>> q("C:\Ba\Ba.exe") && q("-E") && q("%1")
>  format("c:\\Ba\\Ba.exe \"-E\" \"&1\" ")

(thanks for correcting!)

> q() wins.

It's the glory of Transcript - so many ways to skin cats.  I like q too, but
it depends on what you're doing.

  quote & "C:\Ba\Ba.exe" & quote && quote & "-E" & quote && quote & "%1" \
& quote

... is the most typing - but the most straightforward to read.

   q("C:\Ba\Ba.exe") && q("-E") && q("%1")

Least typing; but to read it you have to know what q does, and to write it
you have to also write/make available q.

   format("\"c:\\Ba\\Ba.exe\" \"-E\" \"&1\" ")

Less typing (but a bit less readable) than the first; more typing that the
second, but uses 'pure' Transcript.  As I mentioned, becomes more attractive
if you also need to insert things like return; as you pointed out, has the
disadvantage that you need to escape any backslashes.

Personally I most often use backtick (don't know if this will come out in
email), and then do a replace:

    get "`C:\Ba\Ba.exe` `-E` `%1`"
    replace "`" with quote in it
    
Which I find is the least typing and most readable.

But it depends on lots of things - if there's just one quote, and you're
using the value immediately in an expression, you might as well add it
explicitly as in the first example.  If there's loads of quotes, and you're
putting it into a variable anyway, then the fourth approach (backtick and
separate replace) feels right to me.  If you've got 'q' already defined, and
it's for your own use so you'll immediately know what it means, then q is
good too.  Lots of quotes and returns, no backslashes?  Format might look
attractive.  Horses for courses - Transcript gives us lots of choices.
 
  Ben Rubinstein               |  Email: benr_mc at cogapp.com
  Cognitive Applications Ltd   |  Phone: +44 (0)1273-821600
  http://www.cogapp.com        |  Fax  : +44 (0)1273-728866


From douez at wanadoo.fr  Mon Dec 20 06:19:48 2004
From: douez at wanadoo.fr (thierry)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 12:19:48 +0100
Subject: build standalone by script...
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20041219221430.0273df58@mail.tweedly.net>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20041219203912.026aa3a0@mail.tweedly.net>
 <5.1.0.14.0.20041219115026.02e459f8@mail.tweedly.net>
 <41C4892D.7000504@fourthworld.com>
 <5.1.0.14.0.20041219115026.02e459f8@mail.tweedly.net>
 <5.1.0.14.0.20041219203912.026aa3a0@mail.tweedly.net>
 <5.1.0.14.0.20041219221430.0273df58@mail.tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <912049279.20041220121948@wanadoo.fr>

Hi,

looking to automate the build standalone !

i have an install script which gather all the information
i need to burn an install-CD.

the only  thing i don't know how to put in it in the Build standalone.

Any clue how do to it ? Windows only, please.

Regards, thierry



From douez at wanadoo.fr  Mon Dec 20 06:37:24 2004
From: douez at wanadoo.fr (thierry)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 12:37:24 +0100
Subject: make a shortcut on the win desktop....
In-Reply-To: <912049279.20041220121948@wanadoo.fr>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20041219203912.026aa3a0@mail.tweedly.net>
 <5.1.0.14.0.20041219115026.02e459f8@mail.tweedly.net>
 <41C4892D.7000504@fourthworld.com>
 <5.1.0.14.0.20041219115026.02e459f8@mail.tweedly.net>
 <5.1.0.14.0.20041219203912.026aa3a0@mail.tweedly.net>
 <5.1.0.14.0.20041219221430.0273df58@mail.tweedly.net>
 <912049279.20041220121948@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <86528911.20041220123724@wanadoo.fr>

Hi,

is there a way to create a shortcut on the desktop with Rev ?

Regards, thierry




From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Dec 20 06:40:25 2004
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 03:40:25 -0800
Subject: make a shortcut on the win desktop....
In-Reply-To: <86528911.20041220123724@wanadoo.fr>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20041219203912.026aa3a0@mail.tweedly.net>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20041219115026.02e459f8@mail.tweedly.net>
	<41C4892D.7000504@fourthworld.com>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20041219115026.02e459f8@mail.tweedly.net>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20041219203912.026aa3a0@mail.tweedly.net>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20041219221430.0273df58@mail.tweedly.net>
	<912049279.20041220121948@wanadoo.fr> <86528911.20041220123724@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <41C6BA29.9060805@fourthworld.com>

thierry wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> is there a way to create a shortcut on the desktop with Rev ?

   create alias ( specialfolderpath("desktop")&"/MyFile" ) \
     to file "HD:Folder:OriginalFile"


Don't ya' just love Transcript? :)

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  __________________________________________________
  Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev

From klaus at major-k.de  Mon Dec 20 06:44:11 2004
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 12:44:11 +0100
Subject: make a shortcut on the win desktop....
In-Reply-To: <86528911.20041220123724@wanadoo.fr>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20041219203912.026aa3a0@mail.tweedly.net>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20041219115026.02e459f8@mail.tweedly.net>
	<41C4892D.7000504@fourthworld.com>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20041219115026.02e459f8@mail.tweedly.net>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20041219203912.026aa3a0@mail.tweedly.net>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20041219221430.0273df58@mail.tweedly.net>
	<912049279.20041220121948@wanadoo.fr> <86528911.20041220123724@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <771255C2-527C-11D9-8A7F-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>

Bon jour mon ami :-)

> Hi,
>
> is there a way to create a shortcut on the desktop with Rev ?

...
create alias (specialfolderpath("desktop") & "/name of alias.lnk") to 
file "C:/folder/file.xyz"
...

On windows it is important to use the correct suffix ".lnk" which 
stands for "link"...

Hope that helps :-)

> Regards, thierry

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de


From alex at tweedly.net  Mon Dec 20 06:36:22 2004
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 11:36:22 +0000
Subject: setRegistry...
In-Reply-To: <BDEC624C.26344%benr_mc@cogapp.com>
References: <EC2DE582-5249-11D9-A564-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20041220113208.026d5d28@mail.tweedly.net>

At 11:04 20/12/2004 +0000, Ben Rubinstein wrote:

>It's the glory of Transcript - so many ways to skin cats.  I like q too, but
>it depends on what you're doing.
>[...snip...]
>But it depends on lots of things - if there's just one quote, and you're
>using the value immediately in an expression, you might as well add it
>explicitly as in the first example.  If there's loads of quotes, and you're
>putting it into a variable anyway, then the fourth approach (backtick and
>separate replace) feels right to me.  If you've got 'q' already defined, and
>it's for your own use so you'll immediately know what it means, then q is
>good too.  Lots of quotes and returns, no backslashes?  Format might look
>attractive.  Horses for courses - Transcript gives us lots of choices.

Good exposition of the array of choices.
Now that I've seen that, I've changed my own way of doing it to method 5:

function qq pWhat
   replace "`" with quote in pWhat
   return pWhat
end qq

and so can simply write
   qq("`C:\Ba\Ba.exe` `-E` `%1`")

-- Alex.    

From douez at wanadoo.fr  Mon Dec 20 09:20:21 2004
From: douez at wanadoo.fr (thierry)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 15:20:21 +0100
Subject: setRegistry...
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20041220113208.026d5d28@mail.tweedly.net>
References: <EC2DE582-5249-11D9-A564-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
 <5.1.0.14.0.20041220113208.026d5d28@mail.tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <1592850578.20041220152021@wanadoo.fr>

Hi Ben , Klaus, Alex and Richard and others,

Transcript... So good ...
but much more tasty with the spicies of this list :-)

Merci beaucoup pour tout,
Thanks for all,
Vielen Dank fur alles,

So many way to say it :-)
Regards, thierry

>>It's the glory of Transcript - so many ways to skin cats.
>>  I like q too, but it depends on what you're doing.
>>[...snip...]

AT> Good exposition of the array of choices.
AT> Now that I've seen that, I've changed my own way of doing it...
AT> -- Alex.    

> is there a way to create a shortcut on the desktop with Rev ?

>   create alias ( specialfolderpath("desktop")&"/MyFile" ) \
>     to file "HD:Folder:OriginalFile"


> Don't ya' just love Transcript? :)




From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Mon Dec 20 09:31:45 2004
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 14:31:45 +0000
Subject: setRegistry...
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20041220113208.026d5d28@mail.tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <BDEC92D1.2636E%benr_mc@cogapp.com>

on 20/12/04 11:36 am, Alex Tweedly wrote

> Now that I've seen that, I've changed my own way of doing it to method 5:
> 
> function qq pWhat
>  replace "`" with quote in pWhat
>  return pWhat
> end qq

In HyperCard, I used often to use a function called "encTQR", which replaced
the delta character with tab, the backtick with quote, and the paragraph
mark with return.

In Rev, I don't bother so much - I either assemble, or I use format.
 
  Ben Rubinstein               |  Email: benr_mc at cogapp.com
  Cognitive Applications Ltd   |  Phone: +44 (0)1273-821600
  http://www.cogapp.com        |  Fax  : +44 (0)1273-728866


From rcozens at pon.net  Mon Dec 20 10:29:53 2004
From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 07:29:53 -0800
Subject: Bundle/Package Question
In-Reply-To: <41C615AC.6070900@fourthworld.com>
References: <BDEB1769.1CC74%scott@tactilemedia.com>
 <47DC2D84-51FA-11D9-A564-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
 <41C615AC.6070900@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <a05210600bdec9f07f6c5@[66.52.165.44]>

>>When I hold a file over my app icon, for a tiny standalone I made, 
>>it doesn't light up, not even for stacks.
>
>Check your app's info.plist file, and add an entry for any file 
>types you want supported.

Dar, et al:

I my case, the standalone responds to any dropped file or folder 
regardless of creator/type; so all that is necessary is to put "****" 
in the Document Type field of the OSX tab of the distribution 
configuration stack before building the standalone...the info.plist 
file then works without editing.
-- 

Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)

From kray at sonsothunder.com  Mon Dec 20 10:50:20 2004
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 09:50:20 -0600
Subject: setRegistry...
In-Reply-To: <BDEC624C.26344%benr_mc@cogapp.com>
Message-ID: <BDEC50DC.B953%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 12/20/04 5:04 AM, "Ben Rubinstein" <benr_mc at cogapp.com> wrote:

> Personally I most often use backtick (don't know if this will come out in
> email), and then do a replace:
> 
>     get "`C:\Ba\Ba.exe` `-E` `%1`"
>     replace "`" with quote in it

Personally, I think SuperCard had the right idea related to backticks; they
were automatically replaced with quotes using merge(). The Rev version of
merge doesn't do that, unfortunately, so you could do:

  put merge("`C:\Ba\Ba.exe` `-E` `%1`") into myVar

and with the advantage over format() that merge() allows for variables to be
included in double brackets [[ ]], it makes even better:

  put "C:\Ba\Ba.exe" into tPath
  put merge("`[[tPath]]` `-E` `%1`") into myVar

I've already logged this as an enhancement request (
http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=1378); anyone want to
vote?

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From bvg at mac.com  Mon Dec 20 12:12:57 2004
From: bvg at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 18:12:57 +0100
Subject: [ANN] Chatrev 1.3
Message-ID: <64B7CEE3-52AA-11D9-8303-000D932AE9E0@mac.com>

Hello fellow listers

I have updated the chatrevserver, it uses now a different port. Also 
some enhancements to the ui of chatrev where made. These changes result 
in chatrev 1.3.
This is a mandatory upgrade for user of my client, older versions will 
not work anymore.
For marks client, you just need to enter 8008 instead of 80 into the 
port field.

download my client at
http://homepage.mac.com/bvg/chatrev1.3.rev

and the server at
http://homepage.mac.com/bvg/chatrevserver1.3.rev

If these links result in text shown in your browser, then go to 
http://chatrev.cjb.net and click download. Then right click (ctrl-click 
for mac) and choose "Save link to disk" or similar.

Chatting at the speed of thought!
Bjoernke von Gierke

<>()<>()<>()<>()<>()<>()<>()<>()<>()<>()<>

official ChatRev page:
http://chatrev.cjb.net

Chat with other RunRev developers:
go stack URL "http://homepage.mac.com/bvg/chatrev1.3.rev"


From dsc at swcp.com  Mon Dec 20 13:06:12 2004
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 11:06:12 -0700
Subject: Bundle/Package Question
In-Reply-To: <a05210600bdec9f07f6c5@[66.52.165.44]>
References: <BDEB1769.1CC74%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<47DC2D84-51FA-11D9-A564-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
	<41C615AC.6070900@fourthworld.com> <a05210600bdec9f07f6c5@[66.52.165.44]>
Message-ID: <D50625B2-52B1-11D9-8C44-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>


On Dec 20, 2004, at 8:29 AM, Rob Cozens wrote:

>>> When I hold a file over my app icon, for a tiny standalone I made, 
>>> it doesn't light up, not even for stacks.
>>
>> Check your app's info.plist file, and add an entry for any file types 
>> you want supported.
>
> Dar, et al:
>
> I my case, the standalone responds to any dropped file or folder 
> regardless of creator/type; so all that is necessary is to put "****" 
> in the Document Type field of the OSX tab of the distribution 
> configuration stack before building the standalone...the info.plist 
> file then works without editing.

Though he might (understandably) might be reluctant to go there, one 
approach to Scott's problem is to have the app recognize the situation, 
try not to let anything show, do the deed and then quit.

Dar
**********************************************
     DSC (Dar Scott Consulting & Dar's Lab)
     http://www.swcp.com/dsc/
     Programming Services and Software
**********************************************


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Dec 20 13:14:38 2004
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 12:14:38 -0600
Subject: Standalone cuts off stack
Message-ID: <41C7168E.8010007@hyperactivesw.com>

I have a bug report in about this, but it would be helpful if anyone 
knew the answer while I wait for it to be addressed.

I have a stack with a menubar. When I try to build a standalone from it, 
the bottom of the stack is cut off by the height of the menubar. This 
does not happen if I build in MetaCard, so the problem is apparently 
with the distribution builder.

I have added a command line in a preopenstack handler to reset the stack 
size, but that doesn't work either. The stack consistently displays with 
the bottom edge missing. There are no scripts in the standalone that set 
the stack dimensions otherwise.

Anyone know what causes this or how to fix it? For now, I am building in 
MetaCard.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Mon Dec 20 13:46:15 2004
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 12:46:15 -0600
Subject: Standalone cuts off stack
In-Reply-To: <41C7168E.8010007@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <BDEC7A17.BAFB%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 12/20/04 12:14 PM, "J. Landman Gay" <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:


> Anyone know what causes this or how to fix it? For now, I am building in
> MetaCard.

Jacque,

Do you have a 'resizeStack' handler in your stack? If so, keep in mind that
on Mac, when it hides the menubar, the resizeStack message is triggered
(which I consider a bug and have logged it in Bugzilla as such (#1175)),
which apparently has been fixed (although it seems for 2.3beta).

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From rcozens at pon.net  Mon Dec 20 13:32:50 2004
From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 10:32:50 -0800
Subject: Bundle/Package Question
In-Reply-To: <D50625B2-52B1-11D9-8C44-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
References: <BDEB1769.1CC74%scott@tactilemedia.com>
 <47DC2D84-51FA-11D9-A564-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
 <41C615AC.6070900@fourthworld.com> <a05210600bdec9f07f6c5@[66.52.165.44]>
 <D50625B2-52B1-11D9-8C44-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <a05210600bdecca3214ac@[66.52.165.94]>

>one approach to Scott's problem is to have the app recognize the 
>situation, try not to let anything show, do the deed and then quit.

That's exactly what my reVise standalone does...but it knows if the 
file/folder is to be compressed/decompressed by the file extension.

Unless it's obvious which folder within the app bundle is to contain 
the dropped file, it seems to me a user prompt is necessary.

-- 
Rob Cozens, Staff Conservator
Mendonoma Marine Life Conservancy

"Knowledge of the oceans is more than a matter of curiosity.
  Our very survival may depend upon it."

  -- John Fitzgerald Kennedy, 1961

From erikhans08 at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 20 13:49:40 2004
From: erikhans08 at yahoo.com (Erik Hansen)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 10:49:40 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Can't build a standalone
In-Reply-To: <BE3CC9C3-5211-11D9-B131-000D93391176@siphonophore.com>
Message-ID: <20041220184940.40862.qmail@web61202.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Jeffrey Reynolds <jeff at siphonophore.com>
wrote:

> i have had the same issue when trying to
> build new rev apps out of 
> stacks started in mc. one thing is to make sure
> all the stack resources 
> (dialog boxes, message box, etc) are removed,
> rev handles this 
> differently (ie message box can conflict with
> the rev message box) and 
> installs the resources necessary for the
> standalone when its built.

how do you remove the MC resources?

thanks,

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From klaus at major-k.de  Mon Dec 20 14:01:36 2004
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 20:01:36 +0100
Subject: Can't build a standalone
In-Reply-To: <20041220184940.40862.qmail@web61202.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20041220184940.40862.qmail@web61202.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <92C64BC5-52B9-11D9-8A7F-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>

Hi Erik,

> --- Jeffrey Reynolds <jeff at siphonophore.com>
> wrote:
>> i have had the same issue when trying to
>> build new rev apps out of
>> stacks started in mc. one thing is to make sure
>> all the stack resources
>> (dialog boxes, message box, etc) are removed,
>> rev handles this
>> differently (ie message box can conflict with
>> the rev message box) and
>> installs the resources necessary for the
>> standalone when its built.
>
> how do you remove the MC resources?

In MetaCard with the "Resource Mover..." -> Menu "Tools"

> thanks,
>
> Erik Hansen
> =====
> erik at erikhansen.org    http://www.erikhansen.org

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Dec 20 14:08:08 2004
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 13:08:08 -0600
Subject: Standalone cuts off stack
In-Reply-To: <BDEC7A17.BAFB%kray@sonsothunder.com>
References: <BDEC7A17.BAFB%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <41C72318.2090609@hyperactivesw.com>

On 12/20/04 12:46 PM, Ken Ray wrote:

> On 12/20/04 12:14 PM, "J. Landman Gay" <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>>Anyone know what causes this or how to fix it? For now, I am building in
>>MetaCard.
> 
> 
> Jacque,
> 
> Do you have a 'resizeStack' handler in your stack? If so, keep in mind that
> on Mac, when it hides the menubar, the resizeStack message is triggered
> (which I consider a bug and have logged it in Bugzilla as such (#1175)),
> which apparently has been fixed (although it seems for 2.3beta).

Good thought, but no, there's no resizestack handler anywhere. The 
stack's resizable property is false as well.

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From erikhans08 at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 20 14:45:37 2004
From: erikhans08 at yahoo.com (Erik Hansen)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 11:45:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: display a colored rectangle behind each line
In-Reply-To: <C9A38B02-520A-11D9-994E-000A27E40768@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <20041220194538.88866.qmail@web61205.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Thierry Arbellot
<thierry.arbellot at wanadoo.fr> wrote:

> Bonsoir J?rome,
> 
> I had the sample problem in one of my app.
> I used 2 different workarounds:
> 1. pad the line with enough space characters to
> make the line have the 
> same width as the field
> 2. make the field transparent and display a
> colored rectangle behind each line.

formidable! mais comment ca se fait?
avec des autre champs revolutionaires?

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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Dec 20 14:51:28 2004
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 11:51:28 -0800
Subject: Can't build a standalone
In-Reply-To: <BE3CC9C3-5211-11D9-B131-000D93391176@siphonophore.com>
References: <20041219220550.95C6393005D@mail.runrev.com>
	<BE3CC9C3-5211-11D9-B131-000D93391176@siphonophore.com>
Message-ID: <41C72D40.8000404@fourthworld.com>

Jeffrey Reynolds wrote:
> was this a natively build rev stack or a metacard stack brought over to 
> rev? i have had the same issue when trying to build new rev apps out of 
> stacks started in mc. one thing is to make sure all the stack resources 
> (dialog boxes, message box, etc) are removed, rev handles this 
> differently (ie message box can conflict with the rev message box) and 
> installs the resources necessary for the standalone when its built.

FWIW, stacks made with MC can be completely interoperable with Rev, 
provided you turn off Rev's included dialogs for those that you've 
already copied in with MC (answer dialog, ask dialog, etc.), and that 
you ignore the unnecessarily alarming wording in Rev's warning dialog.

It turns out that Rev's routine that checks for the existence of stack 
names that may conflict with ones it can optionally copy into your 
standalone doesn't put quotes around the stack title when it tells you 
about it, so if your stack contains MC's "Execution Error" dialog Rev's 
warning reads:

   "A stack execution error in file /Applications/Rev/
    license.rev is already in memory...."

That sounds much more ominous that what's really happening, which is:

   "A stack 'Execution Error" in file...."

A request has been submitted to address this:
<http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=2276>

--
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  Fourth World Media Corporation
  __________________________________________________
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From erikhans08 at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 20 14:57:04 2004
From: erikhans08 at yahoo.com (Erik Hansen)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 11:57:04 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Newbie: find, search command
In-Reply-To: <002601c4e486$9bfe2050$0ff6a4cb@p4c2ghz>
Message-ID: <20041220195704.63455.qmail@web61206.mail.yahoo.com>


--- "D.Rothe" <drothe at optusnet.com.au> wrote:

> at the end of the field I simply used "filter
> theField without empty".

"That's brilliant!" -- Ken Ray

yes it is.

> on mouseUp
>  do FindData(tString, tData)
> end mouseUp
> 
> function FindData pStringToFind, pDataToSearch
> repeat for each line tLine in pDataToSearch
> if pStringToFind is in tLine then put tLine &
> cr after tFoundData
> end repeat
> put tFoundData into fld "List"
> filter fld "List" without empty
> end FindData

a function is generally used
to "return" a value:

on mouseUp
  put FindData(tString, tData) into fld "List"
end mouseUp

function FindData pStringToFind, pDataToSearch
 repeat for each line tLine in pDataToSearch
  if pStringToFind is in tLine then
    put tLine & cr after tFoundData
  end if
 end repeat
 filter tFoundData without empty
 return tFoundData
end FindData

or use a handler (no parens for params):

on mouseUp
  FindData tString, tData
end mouseUp

on FindData pStringToFind, pDataToSearch
  ...
  filter tFoundData without empty
  put tFoundData into fld "List"
end findData

different forms, same result.

Erik Hansen



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From docmann at gmail.com  Mon Dec 20 15:13:27 2004
From: docmann at gmail.com (docmann)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 14:13:27 -0600
Subject: More questions from a newb
Message-ID: <9d58de7d041220121330bcc5e8@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all,

Very shortly I will be upgrading from Dreamcard to the Rev Studio
edition and started thinking about printed documentation as well...

I'm not at all new to programming in general, but transcript is so
much different (vast) in comparision to other languages I've used, I
figure I'll need all the help I can get. :)

Totally from a newbie's perspective in trying to get up to speed with
the transcript language, which would be the better choice initially,
the printed Rev doc's or Dan Shafer's book?

Thanks,
-Doc-

From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Dec 20 16:18:28 2004
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 15:18:28 -0600
Subject: More questions from a newb
In-Reply-To: <9d58de7d041220121330bcc5e8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9d58de7d041220121330bcc5e8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <41C741A4.4030601@hyperactivesw.com>

On 12/20/04 2:13 PM, docmann wrote:

> Hello all,
> 
> Very shortly I will be upgrading from Dreamcard to the Rev Studio
> edition and started thinking about printed documentation as well...
> 
> I'm not at all new to programming in general, but transcript is so
> much different (vast) in comparision to other languages I've used, I
> figure I'll need all the help I can get. :)
> 
> Totally from a newbie's perspective in trying to get up to speed with
> the transcript language, which would be the better choice initially,
> the printed Rev doc's or Dan Shafer's book?

Since the printed manuals are just printed duplicates of the online 
material, you would probably get more mileage from the Shafer book. That 
book addresses newcomers specifically. And you always have access to the 
Rev manual from the Help menu.

-- 
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HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com

From asg618 at mac.com  Mon Dec 20 17:04:53 2004
From: asg618 at mac.com (Alan S. Golub)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 17:04:53 -0500
Subject: More questions from a newb
In-Reply-To: <9d58de7d041220121330bcc5e8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BDECB6B5.46E3%asg618@mac.com>

Doc -

If you want a well-paced walkthrough of Rev and Transcript, with extremely
helpful examples along the way, I think Dan's book can't be beat. Dan does a
great job of explaining the concepts that are conveyed in the product
documentation, and he does so in a way that the product manuals simply don't
deliver. Don't get me wrong -- the printed docs are well worth having, and I
recommend you get them in addition to Dan's book. But if you only want to
spring for one or other right now, then Dan's book is my recommendation.
It's a real treat!

Best,
Alan S. Golub
Publisher, revJournal


On 12/20/04 3:13 PM, "docmann" <docmann at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello all,
> 
> Very shortly I will be upgrading from Dreamcard to the Rev Studio
> edition and started thinking about printed documentation as well...
> 
> I'm not at all new to programming in general, but transcript is so
> much different (vast) in comparision to other languages I've used, I
> figure I'll need all the help I can get. :)
> 
> Totally from a newbie's perspective in trying to get up to speed with
> the transcript language, which would be the better choice initially,
> the printed Rev doc's or Dan Shafer's book?
> 
> Thanks,
> -Doc-
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From thierry.arbellot at wanadoo.fr  Mon Dec 20 17:41:24 2004
From: thierry.arbellot at wanadoo.fr (Thierry Arbellot)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 23:41:24 +0100
Subject: display a colored rectangle behind each line
In-Reply-To: <20041220194538.88866.qmail@web61205.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <46E7E0C3-52D8-11D9-9509-000A27E40768@wanadoo.fr>


On Monday, Dec 20, 2004, at 20:45 Europe/Paris, Erik Hansen wrote:

>
> --- Thierry Arbellot
> <thierry.arbellot at wanadoo.fr> wrote:
>
>> Bonsoir J?rome,
>>
>> I had the sample problem in one of my app.
>> I used 2 different workarounds:
>> 1. pad the line with enough space characters to
>> make the line have the
>> same width as the field
>> 2. make the field transparent and display a
>> colored rectangle behind each line.
>
> formidable! mais comment ca se fait?
> avec des autre champs revolutionaires?
Yes, this is the revolution ;-)

Very simple: set the opaque of the field to false, and everything 
behind the field can be seen.
Put some white and blue stripes, and you get a background "a la iTunes"

Thierry

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From martin at materiaprima.fsnet.co.uk  Mon Dec 20 17:56:32 2004
From: martin at materiaprima.fsnet.co.uk (Martin Baxter)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 22:56:32 +0000
Subject: Standalone cuts off stack
In-Reply-To: <41C7168E.8010007@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <l03130300bdecdf442752@[217.134.125.249]>

>I have a bug report in about this, but it would be helpful if anyone
>knew the answer while I wait for it to be addressed.
>
>I have a stack with a menubar. When I try to build a standalone from it,
>the bottom of the stack is cut off by the height of the menubar. This
>does not happen if I build in MetaCard, so the problem is apparently
>with the distribution builder.
>
>I have added a command line in a preopenstack handler to reset the stack
>size, but that doesn't work either. The stack consistently displays with
>the bottom edge missing. There are no scripts in the standalone that set
>the stack dimensions otherwise.
>
>Anyone know what causes this or how to fix it? For now, I am building in
>MetaCard.
>
>--
>Jacqueline Landman Gay

Another bug report to add to all the others :-)

I have seen this ad nauseam with substacks that have menubars on Mac, and
it is a problem that has come up periodically on this list. Is your problem
with a substack or a mainstack? I have never seen this happen to a
mainstack.

If it's the same old problem I'm thinking of. There are some workarounds,
but I don't think anyone has ever pinpointed the cause.

I'm not sure about other people's workarounds but I think I've read in this
list that some people hide the menubar or else put it physically in another
stack or something.

My workaround is more involved, but does work.
It involves prepping the stacks before build by opening all stacks at once,
setting the heights, saving, closing. (I then quit, relaunch and build but
that may not be relevant)

Martin Baxter



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Dec 20 18:11:34 2004
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 17:11:34 -0600
Subject: Standalone cuts off stack
In-Reply-To: <l03130300bdecdf442752@[217.134.125.249]>
References: <l03130300bdecdf442752@[217.134.125.249]>
Message-ID: <41C75C26.5060704@hyperactivesw.com>

On 12/20/04 4:56 PM, Martin Baxter wrote:

 >>I have a bug report in about this, but it would be helpful if anyone
 >>knew the answer while I wait for it to be addressed.
 >>
 >>I have a stack with a menubar. When I try to build a standalone from it,
 >>the bottom of the stack is cut off by the height of the menubar. This
 >>does not happen if I build in MetaCard, so the problem is apparently
 >>with the distribution builder.
 >>
 >>I have added a command line in a preopenstack handler to reset the stack
 >>size, but that doesn't work either. The stack consistently displays with
 >>the bottom edge missing. There are no scripts in the standalone that set
 >>the stack dimensions otherwise.
 >>
 >>Anyone know what causes this or how to fix it? For now, I am building in
 >>MetaCard.
 >>
 >>--
 >>Jacqueline Landman Gay
 >
 >
 > Another bug report to add to all the others :-)
 >
 > I have seen this ad nauseam with substacks that have menubars on Mac, and
 > it is a problem that has come up periodically on this list. Is your 
problem
 > with a substack or a mainstack? I have never seen this happen to a
 > mainstack.

I have seen it before with substacks too, and have submitted reports to 
Bugzilla about it. But this one is a mainstack, which is why I am 
surprised. The stack does have several substacks of its own, but they 
are not open when the standalone is made, of course.

I do not allow the distribution builder to add anything, as the stack 
does not need any of Rev's resources or libraries. It should be a very 
straightforward build. The stack has only a single card and a menu group.

 >
 > If it's the same old problem I'm thinking of. There are some workarounds,
 > but I don't think anyone has ever pinpointed the cause.
 >
 > I'm not sure about other people's workarounds but I think I've read 
in this
 > list that some people hide the menubar or else put it physically in 
another
 > stack or something.
 >
 > My workaround is more involved, but does work.
 > It involves prepping the stacks before build by opening all stacks at 
once,
 > setting the heights, saving, closing. (I then quit, relaunch and 
build but
 > that may not be relevant)

The stack was saved and closed before building. It's a puzzler.

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From SimPLsol at aol.com  Mon Dec 20 18:58:45 2004
From: SimPLsol at aol.com (SimPLsol at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 18:58:45 EST
Subject: Standalone cuts off stack
Message-ID: <192.35a53490.2ef8c135@aol.com>

This bug should have been fixed over a year ago!!!! Adding a Mac OS menubar 
to an existing stack is a crap shoot.

For some reason, adjusting the stack size in a preOpenStack handler does not 
work - but using the same handler in an openStack handler does. This is 
probably the best clue to where the problem is.

Good luck.
Paul Looney

From rjb at rz.uni-potsdam.de  Mon Dec 20 18:43:58 2004
From: rjb at rz.uni-potsdam.de (Robert Brenstein)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 00:43:58 +0100
Subject: The game =?iso-8859-1?q?I=B4ve?=
	been talking about for so long... ;-)
In-Reply-To: <1CfgB5-1EgAYi0@filter10.bbul.t-online.de>
References: <20041217220508.1BA27930231@mail.runrev.com>
 <1CfgB5-1EgAYi0@filter10.bbul.t-online.de>
Message-ID: <a06110417bded13f0e825@[141.89.100.235]>

>Hi list!
>
>I?ve been very quite the last few weeks. I?m on dial up until february
>as I am moving and sorrowly can?t keep up with the traffic on the list.
>I just want to let you know that I?ve uploaded the final version of the
>game I?ve shown on Malta to my server.
>
>mac classic:
>
>http://www.derbrill.com/game_final/tt_classic.sit
>
>OsX
>
>http://www.derbrill.com/game_final/tt_osx.zip
>
>Windows:
>
>http://www.derbrill.com/game_final/tt_setup.exe
>

I just fetched the classic version. How does one 
read the instructions? The page shows a few lines 
of buttons, green checkmarks, and a red cross but 
not text whatsoever.

Robert

From psahores at easynet.fr  Mon Dec 20 19:10:53 2004
From: psahores at easynet.fr (Pierre Sahores)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 01:10:53 +0100
Subject: More questions from a newb
In-Reply-To: <41C741A4.4030601@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <9d58de7d041220121330bcc5e8@mail.gmail.com>
	<41C741A4.4030601@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <C720E69E-52E4-11D9-BEAF-000A95C61E96@easynet.fr>

Dan's Books first as the most usefull up to date Rev XTalk programming 
course we can get, the Rev lists archives in second position and the 
Rev doc for the details you will get in reading it :-)

Best, Pierre

Le 20 d?c. 04, ? 22:18, J. Landman Gay a ?crit :

> On 12/20/04 2:13 PM, docmann wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>> Very shortly I will be upgrading from Dreamcard to the Rev Studio
>> edition and started thinking about printed documentation as well...
>> I'm not at all new to programming in general, but transcript is so
>> much different (vast) in comparision to other languages I've used, I
>> figure I'll need all the help I can get. :)
>> Totally from a newbie's perspective in trying to get up to speed with
>> the transcript language, which would be the better choice initially,
>> the printed Rev doc's or Dan Shafer's book?
>
> Since the printed manuals are just printed duplicates of the online 
> material, you would probably get more mileage from the Shafer book. 
> That book addresses newcomers specifically. And you always have access 
> to the Rev manual from the Help menu.
>
> -- 
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From sarahr at genesearch.com.au  Mon Dec 20 20:02:14 2004
From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 11:02:14 +1000
Subject: Standalone cuts off stack
In-Reply-To: <41C7168E.8010007@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <41C7168E.8010007@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <F40A7CA2-52EB-11D9-80AA-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au>

> I have a stack with a menubar. When I try to build a standalone from 
> it, the bottom of the stack is cut off by the height of the menubar. 
> This does not happen if I build in MetaCard, so the problem is 
> apparently with the distribution builder.
>
> I have added a command line in a preopenstack handler to reset the 
> stack size, but that doesn't work either. The stack consistently 
> displays with the bottom edge missing. There are no scripts in the 
> standalone that set the stack dimensions otherwise.
>
> Anyone know what causes this or how to fix it? For now, I am building 
> in MetaCard.

I stumbled across a workaround that seems very reliable. In a 
preOpenStack handler, resize the stack relative to an object on the 
first card. It seems that when a stack first opens, its height is 
unaffected by the menubar and later on it is (or vice versa), so the 
absolute pixel values for the dimensions vary, but if you use the 
dimensions of another object to set the stack height, then it all 
works, no matter what Rev thinks at the time.

In one stack, I have a Mac menubar, and right at the bottom of the 
stack window, I have a field called "Legal". In the preOpenStack 
handler, this works perfectly:

   set the height of stack "NG_Pod" to the bottom of fld "Legal" + 2

In the IDE, it makes my stack too big, if it calls the preOpenStack 
(which it usually doesn't), but I don't worry about that, since it 
always comes good in the built app.

Cheers,
Sarah


From gwalias-rev at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 20 22:37:44 2004
From: gwalias-rev at yahoo.com (Gordon)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 19:37:44 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Newbies looking for documentation
In-Reply-To: <771255C2-527C-11D9-8A7F-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <20041221033744.85034.qmail@web51105.mail.yahoo.com>

Dear Revolutionaries (particularly fellow rev newbies)

I was trawling around the rev website and I happened
to read an article I had previously glossed over - the
one about moving to rev from C++ or Java environments.
I was never particularly fond of either of these
languages - learning C++ from a book is about as much
fun as having root canal work and Java's "write once
run anywhere" rang as true as "a lone gunman shooting
from the book depository" (more goddam' flavors than
Baskin-Robbins). When I finally read the article
however, I found that it contained a really useful
overview of rev and there were some particularly juicy
tidbits that are not apparent from the built-in docs
that come with rev.

Here's the juiciest - I didn't know that rev functions
could be called with an indeterminate number of
parameters and that you could then use the 'param',
'paramCount' and 'params' keywords to process them.

Here's a little example I immediately wrote to try
this out - and it works ...

function bigadd
  put 0 into total
  repeat with thisParam = 1 to the paramCount
    put total + param(thisParam) into total
  end repeat
  return total
end bigadd

This function will add up a string of numbers of
indeterminate length and return the total.

The article I am referring to is at:
http://support.runrev.com/resources/c_java.php

This was really helpful to me and I am reporting this
experience here because someone on the list was asking
about sources of rev learning material. Speaking for
myself, I would love to hear of other users minor (or
major) rev epiphanies - perhaps we could save them
into  some kind of HOWTO list that could supplement
the current sources of rev info.

I have to say that I like Transcript more and more,
the more I learn about it.

Best

Gordon




From nrkweto03 at hotmail.com  Tue Dec 21 03:40:26 2004
From: nrkweto03 at hotmail.com (kweto)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 17:40:26 +0900
Subject: finding local IP?
References: 	<20041130043949.20515.qmail@web51104.mail.yahoo.com><BAY17-DAV45671A8B072935EE0BC54B2BE0@phx.gbl><63963E1E-42F6-11D9-894A-000D93373366@canelasoftware.com><5.1.0.14.0.20041202004419.0307fe78@mail.tweedly.net>
	<9C9D9868-447C-11D9-AD62-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>
Message-ID: <BAY17-DAV134057C0CBA49259C1E14FB2A30@phx.gbl>

Hello All,

Thanks to much kind advise, I can now create stacks that are able to
interact over my school's LAN. Next step is to simplify my messy scripting
methods.

Question: Is there a Rev command (or elegant trick?) for retrieving the
local IP address of the computer on which a stack is running?

For the moment, my half-baked solution is to (1) use the router software to
assign each computer a permanent IP address, and then (2) store those IP
addresses as a text file. That way, each time a LAN-based stack opens it
retrieves its computer's IP address from that text file.

There must be a better way, though!

Cheers,
Nicolas Cueto
(Japan)

From thierry.arbellot at wanadoo.fr  Tue Dec 21 04:14:45 2004
From: thierry.arbellot at wanadoo.fr (Thierry Arbellot)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 10:14:45 +0100
Subject: finding local IP?
In-Reply-To: <BAY17-DAV134057C0CBA49259C1E14FB2A30@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <C1963975-5330-11D9-A3A0-000A27E40768@wanadoo.fr>


On Tuesday, Dec 21, 2004, at 09:40 Europe/Paris, kweto wrote:

> Hello All,
>
> Thanks to much kind advise, I can now create stacks that are able to
> interact over my school's LAN. Next step is to simplify my messy 
> scripting
> methods.
>
> Question: Is there a Rev command (or elegant trick?) for retrieving the
> local IP address of the computer on which a stack is running?
>
> For the moment, my half-baked solution is to (1) use the router 
> software to
> assign each computer a permanent IP address, and then (2) store those 
> IP
> addresses as a text file. That way, each time a LAN-based stack opens 
> it
> retrieves its computer's IP address from that text file.
>
> There must be a better way, though!
>
> Cheers,
> Nicolas Cueto
> (Japan)

Hi,

2 tricks for OS X and Win 2K
theIPAddress is the local IP address of the computer

MacOS X
     put replaceText(shell("/sbin/ifconfig en0 | head -3 | grep 'inet ' 
| cut -d' ' -f 2"),"(\s|\(|\))","") into theIPAddress

Windows 2000/XP
     put "255.255.255.255:43222" into testSocket
     open datagram socket to testSocket
     put hostAddress(testSocket) into theIPAddress
     close socket testSocket

Thierry



From malte.brill at t-online.de  Tue Dec 21 04:30:40 2004
From: malte.brill at t-online.de (malte.brill at t-online.de)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 10:30:40 +0100 (CET)
Subject: The =?iso-8859-1?q?gameI=B4ve?=
	been talking about for so long... ;-)
In-Reply-To: <20041221005725.1F9839301D8@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20041221005725.1F9839301D8@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <1103621240.41c7ec7830440@modem.webmail.t-online.de>

Hi Robert,

>I just fetched the classic version. How does one 
>read the instructions? The page shows a few lines
>of buttons, green checkmarks, and a red cross but
>not text whatsoever.

I hoped this would be self explanatory. Collect the items marked with
green checkmarks by clicking on them. Don?t collect the items marked
with a red cross.

Best,

Malte

From docmann at gmail.com  Tue Dec 21 07:03:39 2004
From: docmann at gmail.com (docmann)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 06:03:39 -0600
Subject: More questions from a newb
In-Reply-To: <C720E69E-52E4-11D9-BEAF-000A95C61E96@easynet.fr>
References: <9d58de7d041220121330bcc5e8@mail.gmail.com>
	 <41C741A4.4030601@hyperactivesw.com>
	 <C720E69E-52E4-11D9-BEAF-000A95C61E96@easynet.fr>
Message-ID: <9d58de7d0412210403431e5f13@mail.gmail.com>

Thank's everyone, I appreciate your insight.

>  the Rev lists archives in second position and the
> Rev doc for the details you will get in reading it :-)

I certainly can't argue with that. Although a lot of what I see here
in the list is still over my head skill wise, it's all very
interesting and helpful.

 It seems that I'm definitely on the way to becoming a "RevHead" since
I'm already to the point where I check the list before I check my
regular e-mail account. ;)
Much appreciated!
-Doc-

On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 01:10:53 +0100, Pierre Sahores <psahores at easynet.fr> wrote:
> Dan's Books first as the most usefull up to date Rev XTalk programming
> course we can get, the Rev lists archives in second position and the
> Rev doc for the details you will get in reading it :-)
> 
> Best, Pierre
> 
> Le 20 d?c. 04, ? 22:18, J. Landman Gay a ?crit :
> 
> > On 12/20/04 2:13 PM, docmann wrote:
> >
> >> Hello all,
> >> Very shortly I will be upgrading from Dreamcard to the Rev Studio
> >> edition and started thinking about printed documentation as well...
> >> I'm not at all new to programming in general, but transcript is so
> >> much different (vast) in comparision to other languages I've used, I
> >> figure I'll need all the help I can get. :)
> >> Totally from a newbie's perspective in trying to get up to speed with
> >> the transcript language, which would be the better choice initially,
> >> the printed Rev doc's or Dan Shafer's book?
> >
> > Since the printed manuals are just printed duplicates of the online
> > material, you would probably get more mileage from the Shafer book.
> > That book addresses newcomers specifically. And you always have access
> > to the Rev manual from the Help menu.
> >
> > --
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> > HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> > _______________________________________________
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> >
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From fde101 at fjrhome.net  Tue Dec 21 08:07:52 2004
From: fde101 at fjrhome.net (Frank D. Engel, Jr.)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 08:07:52 -0500
Subject: Standalone cuts off stack
In-Reply-To: <F40A7CA2-52EB-11D9-80AA-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au>
References: <41C7168E.8010007@hyperactivesw.com>
	<F40A7CA2-52EB-11D9-80AA-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au>
Message-ID: <529D0720-5351-11D9-8451-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>

I have noticed that the menubar seems to resize the stack somewhere 
between preOpenStack and openStack.  If you set the stack height in 
preOpenStack, you need to set it as if the menu bar were in the stack 
window (Windows/UNIX style), and if you set it in the openStack 
handler, you need to consider the platform and set it to the desired 
height for the platform you are on (which is a visible process).

The best solution I have found is to figure out the size as on 
Windows/UNIX (go into the menu builder and set the menu bar to display 
in the window, then use the property inspector on the stack window to 
check the height), and set the height to this in the preOpenStack 
handler.  No platform checks, no visible resize -- it just works.

And I have been seeing this for a while here, on a mainstack.  I 
eventually just gave up on Rev doing this one right in a standalone (I 
occasionally saw the stack resized incorrectly in the IDE too, but 
setting the height this way solved it for both), so I stick this into 
the "important" stacks I do to take care of that problem, which I would 
see consistently in standalone mainstacks and substacks.

On Dec 20, 2004, at 8:02 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

>> I have a stack with a menubar. When I try to build a standalone from 
>> it, the bottom of the stack is cut off by the height of the menubar. 
>> This does not happen if I build in MetaCard, so the problem is 
>> apparently with the distribution builder.
>>
>> I have added a command line in a preopenstack handler to reset the 
>> stack size, but that doesn't work either. The stack consistently 
>> displays with the bottom edge missing. There are no scripts in the 
>> standalone that set the stack dimensions otherwise.
>>
>> Anyone know what causes this or how to fix it? For now, I am building 
>> in MetaCard.
>
> I stumbled across a workaround that seems very reliable. In a 
> preOpenStack handler, resize the stack relative to an object on the 
> first card. It seems that when a stack first opens, its height is 
> unaffected by the menubar and later on it is (or vice versa), so the 
> absolute pixel values for the dimensions vary, but if you use the 
> dimensions of another object to set the stack height, then it all 
> works, no matter what Rev thinks at the time.
>
> In one stack, I have a Mac menubar, and right at the bottom of the 
> stack window, I have a field called "Legal". In the preOpenStack 
> handler, this works perfectly:
>
>   set the height of stack "NG_Pod" to the bottom of fld "Legal" + 2
>
> In the IDE, it makes my stack too big, if it calls the preOpenStack 
> (which it usually doesn't), but I don't worry about that, since it 
> always comes good in the built app.
>
> Cheers,
> Sarah
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
>
-----------------------------------------------------------
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$ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
$ true | cat /usr/manual | grep "John 3:16"
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten 
Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have 
everlasting life.
$



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From toeloop at swissonline.ch  Tue Dec 21 09:32:51 2004
From: toeloop at swissonline.ch (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Thomas_B=E4hler?=)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 15:32:51 +0100
Subject: Can't build a standalone
Message-ID: <31F31384-535D-11D9-9EB4-00306555CAAA@swissonline.ch>

 >jeff wrote:
 > ...one thing is to make sure all the stack resources...

I have never worked with metacard but I knew that I was able to make 
standalones with runrev before.
Now, as you mentioned the resources, I looked at the standalone 
application settings and
switched from "Search for required inclusions..." to "Select inclusions 
for standalone application",
and that did the trick. Thank you very much!
Next question: what does (or is supposed to do) the "Search for 
required inclusions..." option?

Thomas


From bvlahos at mac.com  Tue Dec 21 10:23:33 2004
From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 07:23:33 -0800
Subject: Windows logoff command
Message-ID: <471D4584-5364-11D9-96BF-0003936A2C42@mac.com>

We have some Win2K and WinXP computers that are used by multiple people 
with Active Directory authentication. Sometimes users forget to log out 
when the are done and the computer locks with the screen saver. Only 
the users who locked it or an administrator can unlock it. There does 
not appear to be a setting that will log the user out instead of simply 
locking the screen.

	1. Is there a command I can write in Revolution to log the user off?

	2. How can I tell if the screen is locked, get triggered by the system 
when the screen locks, and/or mimic an inactivity timer?

	3. If I can write a program to do this, how can I run it as a service 
so the user can't quit it?

Bill Vlahos


From fde101 at fjrhome.net  Tue Dec 21 10:40:55 2004
From: fde101 at fjrhome.net (Frank D. Engel, Jr.)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 10:40:55 -0500
Subject: Windows logoff command
In-Reply-To: <471D4584-5364-11D9-96BF-0003936A2C42@mac.com>
References: <471D4584-5364-11D9-96BF-0003936A2C42@mac.com>
Message-ID: <B3E7964A-5366-11D9-8451-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>

The way I've normally seen this done is to set the program up as a  
screen saver, and to set the screen saver to activate after whatever  
time limit the administrator wishes.  The screen saver might run for a  
few minutes with a warning that the user will be automatically logged  
out after a certain amount of time, then if the screen saver is still  
running x amount of time later, the user is logged out.

In this case, the lock screen feature is actually good, since the user  
is given a chance to identify himself to the system again and cancel  
the logout if he was simply spending a huge amount of time reading  
something on the screen or waiting for his CD to burn or file to  
download...

Not sure how to do this in Rev, though, sorry.

You might want to look at these sites, though (quick google search):

http://www.pcplus.co.uk/tips/default.asp? 
pagetypeid=2&articleid=5755&subsectionid=390
http://www.windowsitpro.com/OracleonWindows/Article/ArticleID/21299/ 
OracleonWindows_21299.html



On Dec 21, 2004, at 10:23 AM, Bill Vlahos wrote:

> We have some Win2K and WinXP computers that are used by multiple  
> people with Active Directory authentication. Sometimes users forget to  
> log out when the are done and the computer locks with the screen  
> saver. Only the users who locked it or an administrator can unlock it.  
> There does not appear to be a setting that will log the user out  
> instead of simply locking the screen.
>
> 	1. Is there a command I can write in Revolution to log the user off?
>
> 	2. How can I tell if the screen is locked, get triggered by the  
> system when the screen locks, and/or mimic an inactivity timer?
>
> 	3. If I can write a program to do this, how can I run it as a service  
> so the user can't quit it?
>
> Bill Vlahos
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
>
-----------------------------------------------------------
Frank D. Engel, Jr.  <fde101 at fjrhome.net>

$ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
$ true | cat /usr/manual | grep "John 3:16"
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten  
Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have  
everlasting life.
$



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From martin at materiaprima.fsnet.co.uk  Tue Dec 21 10:55:52 2004
From: martin at materiaprima.fsnet.co.uk (Martin Baxter)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 16:55:52 +0100
Subject: Standalone cuts off stack
In-Reply-To: <529D0720-5351-11D9-8451-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>
References: <F40A7CA2-52EB-11D9-80AA-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au>
 <41C7168E.8010007@hyperactivesw.com>
 <F40A7CA2-52EB-11D9-80AA-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au>
Message-ID: <l03130300bdedf4a5c3b3@[62.137.78.106]>

Some time ago I made a standalone to check what happens to the stack height
when a stack with a mac menubar opens. The stack is plain vanilla except
that it has a menubar obviously. The only script is the stack script that
produces the output below.
Since the subject is sort of current I thought I would post it again.
The lesson I learn from this is that trying to mess with height in any of
these handlers while the engine is doing this stuff, will be hit and miss
and probably frustrating.

Here is the (MacOS) output:

STARTUP
scroll of stack = 0
height of stack = 421
height of card = 421

PREOPENSTACK
scroll of stack = 21
height of stack = 421
height of card = 442

OPENSTACK
scroll of stack = 21
height of stack = 400
height of card = 421

Note that
1) between startup and preopenstack the engine seems to have set the scroll
of the stack to 21 and the card height to 442 (the full height of this
particular stack)
2) between preopenstack and openstack, 21 pixels has been lopped off the
card and stack heights.

This may have changed since I made that standalone, possibly, though I
doubt it.

Martin Baxter

>I have noticed that the menubar seems to resize the stack somewhere
>between preOpenStack and openStack.  If you set the stack height in
>preOpenStack, you need to set it as if the menu bar were in the stack
>window (Windows/UNIX style), and if you set it in the openStack
>handler, you need to consider the platform and set it to the desired
>height for the platform you are on (which is a visible process).
>
>The best solution I have found is to figure out the size as on
>Windows/UNIX (go into the menu builder and set the menu bar to display
>in the window, then use the property inspector on the stack window to
>check the height), and set the height to this in the preOpenStack
>handler.  No platform checks, no visible resize -- it just works.
>
>And I have been seeing this for a while here, on a mainstack.  I
>eventually just gave up on Rev doing this one right in a standalone (I
>occasionally saw the stack resized incorrectly in the IDE too, but
>setting the height this way solved it for both), so I stick this into
>the "important" stacks I do to take care of that problem, which I would
>see consistently in standalone mainstacks and substacks.
>
>On Dec 20, 2004, at 8:02 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:
>
>>> I have a stack with a menubar. When I try to build a standalone from
>>> it, the bottom of the stack is cut off by the height of the menubar.
>>> This does not happen if I build in MetaCard, so the problem is
>>> apparently with the distribution builder.
>>>
>>> I have added a command line in a preopenstack handler to reset the
>>> stack size, but that doesn't work either. The stack consistently
>>> displays with the bottom edge missing. There are no scripts in the
>>> standalone that set the stack dimensions otherwise.
>>>
>>> Anyone know what causes this or how to fix it? For now, I am building
>>> in MetaCard.
>>
>> I stumbled across a workaround that seems very reliable. In a
>> preOpenStack handler, resize the stack relative to an object on the
>> first card. It seems that when a stack first opens, its height is
>> unaffected by the menubar and later on it is (or vice versa), so the
>> absolute pixel values for the dimensions vary, but if you use the
>> dimensions of another object to set the stack height, then it all
>> works, no matter what Rev thinks at the time.
>>
>> In one stack, I have a Mac menubar, and right at the bottom of the
>> stack window, I have a field called "Legal". In the preOpenStack
>> handler, this works perfectly:
>>
>>   set the height of stack "NG_Pod" to the bottom of fld "Legal" + 2
>>
>> In the IDE, it makes my stack too big, if it calls the preOpenStack
>> (which it usually doesn't), but I don't worry about that, since it
>> always comes good in the built app.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Sarah
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>>
>>
>-----------------------------------------------------------
>Frank D. Engel, Jr.  <fde101 at fjrhome.net>
>
>$ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
>$ true | cat /usr/manual | grep "John 3:16"
>John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten
>Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have
>everlasting life.
>$
>
>
>
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From jhurley at infostations.com  Tue Dec 21 10:44:31 2004
From: jhurley at infostations.com (James Hurley)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 07:44:31 -0800
Subject: Stacks open without IDE
In-Reply-To: <20041221005724.DBA789301D4@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20041221005724.DBA789301D4@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <p06200700bdedf31a68d7@[66.81.131.97]>

This issue has been discussed on the list before, but the resolution 
offered doesn't work for me. Is it just me?

To be specific, I am running RR 2.2.1 on OS X 2.2.3 in my living 
room, in Nevada City, CA.

When I double click a stack it always opens without the IDE, even 
though I have set the default "Open with..." to RR 2.2.1 and RR is 
already open.

My work around has been to create a RR alias and drop the stack on 
the alias icon. That works, that is the stack opens with the IDE, but 
just double clicking doesn't work.

Anyone found a way to make the double click work?

Jim

From rcozens at pon.net  Tue Dec 21 11:17:27 2004
From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 08:17:27 -0800
Subject: Standalone cuts off stack
In-Reply-To: <l03130300bdedf4a5c3b3@[62.137.78.106]>
References: <F40A7CA2-52EB-11D9-80AA-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au>
 <41C7168E.8010007@hyperactivesw.com>
 <F40A7CA2-52EB-11D9-80AA-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au>
 <l03130300bdedf4a5c3b3@[62.137.78.106]>
Message-ID: <a05210601bdedfbfe615b@[66.52.165.217]>

>1) between startup and preopenstack the engine seems to have set the scroll
>of the stack to 21 and the card height to 442 (the full height of this
>particular stack)
>2) between preopenstack and openstack, 21 pixels has been lopped off the
>card and stack heights.

Martin, et al:

It appears that menus are NOT resolved until preOpenCard (which comes 
between preOpenStack and openStack) or openStack.  If you test for 
this in preOpenCard as well, you should be able to determine which, 
though preOpenCard seems a logical place to put menu logic.
-- 

Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)

From dsc at swcp.com  Tue Dec 21 11:27:23 2004
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 09:27:23 -0700
Subject: finding local IP?
In-Reply-To: <C1963975-5330-11D9-A3A0-000A27E40768@wanadoo.fr>
References: <C1963975-5330-11D9-A3A0-000A27E40768@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <31FD106F-536D-11D9-9B0F-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>


On Dec 21, 2004, at 2:14 AM, Thierry Arbellot wrote:

> 2 tricks for OS X and Win 2K
> theIPAddress is the local IP address of the computer
>
> MacOS X
>     put replaceText(shell("/sbin/ifconfig en0 | head -3 | grep 'inet ' 
> | cut -d' ' -f 2"),"(\s|\(|\))","") into theIPAddress
>
> Windows 2000/XP
>     put "255.255.255.255:43222" into testSocket
>     open datagram socket to testSocket
>     put hostAddress(testSocket) into theIPAddress
>     close socket testSocket

I think with 2.5, the latter will work on OS X!  It did just now on my 
system & Revolution 2.5, anyway.  Yay!

I'm too lazy to turn on the Mac OS 9 at the moment.

Dar
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**********************************************


From gizmotron at earthlink.net  Tue Dec 21 11:32:47 2004
From: gizmotron at earthlink.net (Mark Brownell)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 08:32:47 -0800
Subject: Standalone on Mac OSX 10.3.7
In-Reply-To: <BDEBB1B4.B8C7%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <F3093A58-536D-11D9-B5F6-000A95743F7A@earthlink.net>

Hi,

Intuition on Mac OSX 10.3.7  doesn't work, maybe. This could be a 
problem with unicode or character sets on German machines.

I created Intuition with Rev 2.2.1 on a Mac 10.2.8. I got this last 
night.

> Funny
> But Intuition doesn't start up on my powerbook osx 10.3.7
>
> Thanks in advance

Is there someone here that could test the latest version to see if it 
works on their OSX 10.3.7 Mac? The download is a .sit file without an 
installer.

Here:
http://www.gizmotron.org/intuition/download.html

Thanks for any help,

Mark




From dsc at swcp.com  Tue Dec 21 11:29:29 2004
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 09:29:29 -0700
Subject: News 
Message-ID: <7CF3324F-536D-11D9-9B0F-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>

I noticed this concerning If Monks Had Macs and RunRev:

    http://www.emediawire.com/releases/2004/12/emw190782.htm

Dar


From mpetrides at earthlink.net  Tue Dec 21 11:34:37 2004
From: mpetrides at earthlink.net (Marian Petrides)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 11:34:37 -0500
Subject: News 
In-Reply-To: <7CF3324F-536D-11D9-9B0F-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
References: <7CF3324F-536D-11D9-9B0F-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <346CAF18-536E-11D9-B215-000A959D005E@earthlink.net>

It has already been picked up by macnn.com as well.  Cool!

Marian
On Dec 21, 2004, at 11:29 AM, Dar Scott wrote:

> I noticed this concerning If Monks Had Macs and RunRev:
>
>    http://www.emediawire.com/releases/2004/12/emw190782.htm
>
> Dar
>
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> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>


From thierry.arbellot at wanadoo.fr  Tue Dec 21 11:40:41 2004
From: thierry.arbellot at wanadoo.fr (Thierry Arbellot)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 17:40:41 +0100
Subject: finding local IP?
In-Reply-To: <31FD106F-536D-11D9-9B0F-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <0D4F3968-536F-11D9-A3A0-000A27E40768@wanadoo.fr>


On Tuesday, Dec 21, 2004, at 17:27 Europe/Paris, Dar Scott wrote:

>
> On Dec 21, 2004, at 2:14 AM, Thierry Arbellot wrote:
>
>> 2 tricks for OS X and Win 2K
>> theIPAddress is the local IP address of the computer
>>
>> MacOS X
>>     put replaceText(shell("/sbin/ifconfig en0 | head -3 | grep 'inet 
>> ' | cut -d' ' -f 2"),"(\s|\(|\))","") into theIPAddress
>>
>> Windows 2000/XP
>>     put "255.255.255.255:43222" into testSocket
>>     open datagram socket to testSocket
>>     put hostAddress(testSocket) into theIPAddress
>>     close socket testSocket
>
> I think with 2.5, the latter will work on OS X!  It did just now on my 
> system & Revolution 2.5, anyway.  Yay!
>
You're right. Work on my Mac too (10.2.8 and Rev 2.5)
Good to know.

Thierry



From dsc at swcp.com  Tue Dec 21 11:42:53 2004
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 09:42:53 -0700
Subject: Windows logoff command
In-Reply-To: <471D4584-5364-11D9-96BF-0003936A2C42@mac.com>
References: <471D4584-5364-11D9-96BF-0003936A2C42@mac.com>
Message-ID: <5BE4CF86-536F-11D9-9B0F-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>


On Dec 21, 2004, at 8:23 AM, Bill Vlahos wrote:

> 	3. If I can write a program to do this, how can I run it as a service 
> so the user can't quit it?

There is an MS utility, I forgot the name, that helps.  You can run it 
as a service.  When your specify the command line for it you give the 
command line for the command-line Rev as its parameters.  It runs the 
app.

I'm not awake yet, so details are not bubbling to the surface.  I think 
I and another have mentioned this on the list in past years, so a 
search might find it.

Dar

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     Programming Services and Software
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From klaus at major-k.de  Tue Dec 21 11:47:05 2004
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 17:47:05 +0100
Subject: Standalone on Mac OSX 10.3.7
In-Reply-To: <F3093A58-536D-11D9-B5F6-000A95743F7A@earthlink.net>
References: <F3093A58-536D-11D9-B5F6-000A95743F7A@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <F1FC4631-536F-11D9-8832-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>

Hi Mark,

> Hi,
>
> Intuition on Mac OSX 10.3.7  doesn't work, maybe. This could be a 
> problem with unicode or character sets on German machines.
> I created Intuition with Rev 2.2.1 on a Mac 10.2.8. I got this last 
> night.
>
>> Funny
>> But Intuition doesn't start up on my powerbook osx 10.3.7
>> Thanks in advance
>
> Is there someone here that could test the latest version to see if it 
> works on their OSX 10.3.7 Mac? The download is a .sit file without an 
> installer.
>
> Here:
> http://www.gizmotron.org/intuition/download.html

Just downloaded it to my german OS X 10.3.7 and works without trouble...

Anything special i should try?

> Thanks for any help,
>
> Mark

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de


From gizmotron at earthlink.net  Tue Dec 21 12:08:22 2004
From: gizmotron at earthlink.net (Mark Brownell)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 09:08:22 -0800
Subject: Standalone on Mac OSX 10.3.7
In-Reply-To: <F1FC4631-536F-11D9-8832-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <EB5D1A10-5372-11D9-B5F6-000A95743F7A@earthlink.net>


On Tuesday, December 21, 2004, at 08:47 AM, Klaus Major wrote:

> Just downloaded it to my german OS X 10.3.7 and works without 
> trouble...
>
> Anything special i should try?
>
>> Thanks for any help,
>>
>> Mark
>
> Regards
>
> Klaus Major

If you were connected to the internet and you opened a file that comes 
in the Example files folder then an advertisement with two pages loaded 
into the right panel. If you disconnect from the internet temporarily  
this advertisement should go between the two pages while off-line. It 
checks for a new version of the ad space every 24 hours and loads the 
old version automatically while off-line checking each hour for the 24 
hour version when you go back on-line. To see if it works just open a 
document and change to a new page using the right or left arrows. There 
is a three second delay on the arrow trigger that shifts to new 
advertising.

So does it work off line for you?

Seeing if it will open the gestalt.mtml file, then select "T" button, 
then click "name", and then the "MT" button should prove that all is 
working fine.

If you run the search engine for "gestalt" in the File / Search 
Intuition Net menu you will download the full 140 person directory. 
This will test just about everything. I recommend that you save this 
file, not merge it as a test.

Thanks Klaus,

Mark

P.S.  I'm going to put all the great answers to the last 18 months of 
e-mails from this list into an Intuition document that will be located 
on-line. I tried to keep every good solution for transcript over that 
period. This document will come with a terms list of great e-mails that 
will allow for fast retrieval within Intuition's relational text 
gathering system.

Maybe in the future topical solutions could be created and downloaded 
for a single portal document for Intuition.

By the Intuition is now freeware.


From klaus at major-k.de  Tue Dec 21 12:24:13 2004
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 18:24:13 +0100
Subject: Standalone on Mac OSX 10.3.7
In-Reply-To: <EB5D1A10-5372-11D9-B5F6-000A95743F7A@earthlink.net>
References: <EB5D1A10-5372-11D9-B5F6-000A95743F7A@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <220EF1D9-5375-11D9-8832-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>

Hi Mark,

> On Tuesday, December 21, 2004, at 08:47 AM, Klaus Major wrote:
>> Just downloaded it to my german OS X 10.3.7 and works without 
>> trouble...
>> Anything special i should try?
>>> Thanks for any help,
>>> Mark
>> Regards
>> Klaus Major
>
> If you were connected to the internet and you opened a file that comes 
> in the Example files folder then an advertisement with two pages 
> loaded into the right panel. If you disconnect from the internet 
> temporarily  this advertisement should go between the two pages while 
> off-line. It checks for a new version of the ad space every 24 hours 
> and loads the old version automatically while off-line checking each 
> hour for the 24 hour version when you go back on-line. To see if it 
> works just open a document and change to a new page using the right or 
> left arrows. There is a three second delay on the arrow trigger that 
> shifts to new advertising.
>
> So does it work off line for you?

Sorry, i have a DSL flatrate and must confess that i do not know how to 
go offline, except by turning off my
Airport, which i did only ONCE and won't do ever again ;-)

But the two pages appear in the right panel...

> Seeing if it will open the gestalt.mtml file, then select "T" button, 
> then click "name", and then the "MT" button should prove that all is 
> working fine.
>
> If you run the search engine for "gestalt" in the File / Search 
> Intuition Net menu you will download the full 140 person directory. 
> This will test just about everything.

Yes, i did and it works, too...

>  I recommend that you save this file, not merge it as a test.
> Thanks Klaus,

You're welcome!

> Mark
>
> P.S.  I'm going to put all the great answers to the last 18 months of 
> e-mails from this list into an Intuition document that will be located 
> on-line. I tried to keep every good solution for transcript over that 
> period. This document will come with a terms list of great e-mails 
> that will allow for fast retrieval within Intuition's relational text 
> gathering system.

Cool :-)

> Maybe in the future topical solutions could be created and downloaded 
> for a single portal document for Intuition.
> By the Intuition is now freeware.

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de


From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Tue Dec 21 12:32:39 2004
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 17:32:39 +0000
Subject: Stacks open without IDE
In-Reply-To: <p06200700bdedf31a68d7@[66.81.131.97]>
Message-ID: <BDEE0EB7.26479%benr_mc@cogapp.com>

This was supposed to be a feature.  If you double-clicked a stack, it ran as
if it were a standalone, without loading the IDE.  If you wanted to operate
on it with the IDE, you had to use 'Open' from within the IDE.

However, many people found it not a feature; so it was changed so that if
you double-clicked a file, it would load the IDE unless you held down the
command key during startup.

I thought this change was made in Rev 2 - but maybe it was in 2.5.
 
 
  Ben Rubinstein               |  Email: benr_mc at cogapp.com
  Cognitive Applications Ltd   |  Phone: +44 (0)1273-821600
  http://www.cogapp.com        |  Fax  : +44 (0)1273-728866


> From: James Hurley <jhurley at infostations.com>
> Reply-To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 07:44:31 -0800
> To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Subject: Stacks open without IDE
> 
> This issue has been discussed on the list before, but the resolution
> offered doesn't work for me. Is it just me?
> 
> To be specific, I am running RR 2.2.1 on OS X 2.2.3 in my living
> room, in Nevada City, CA.
> 
> When I double click a stack it always opens without the IDE, even
> though I have set the default "Open with..." to RR 2.2.1 and RR is
> already open.
> 
> My work around has been to create a RR alias and drop the stack on
> the alias icon. That works, that is the stack opens with the IDE, but
> just double clicking doesn't work.
> 
> Anyone found a way to make the double click work?
> 
> Jim


From dsc at swcp.com  Tue Dec 21 12:33:37 2004
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 10:33:37 -0700
Subject: finding local IP?
In-Reply-To: <C1963975-5330-11D9-A3A0-000A27E40768@wanadoo.fr>
References: <C1963975-5330-11D9-A3A0-000A27E40768@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <723B9EEA-5376-11D9-9B0F-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>


On Dec 21, 2004, at 2:14 AM, Thierry Arbellot wrote:

>     put "255.255.255.255:43222" into testSocket
>     open datagram socket to testSocket
>     put hostAddress(testSocket) into theIPAddress
>     close socket testSocket

I don't know what different systems might do if there are multiple 
network adaptors or multiple subnet and IP addresses to any network 
adaptor.  One might assume the primary IP address is used, whatever 
that means.

Perhaps for the the problem at hand, it might be safest to use the IP 
address of something on the LAN that is fixed, such as a router or 
server.  That way you always get the IP address to the right LAN: the 
adaptor and the right subnet.

That is, if router 172.17.0.1 is on the same subnet under 
consideration, then the line might be:

     put "172.17.0.1:444222" into testSocket

The port can be anything; this method does not put any TCP/IP activity 
on the network.


**********************************************
     DSC (Dar Scott Consulting & Dar's Lab)
     http://www.swcp.com/dsc/
     Programming Services and Software
**********************************************


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Tue Dec 21 13:20:56 2004
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 12:20:56 -0600
Subject: finding local IP?
In-Reply-To: <C1963975-5330-11D9-A3A0-000A27E40768@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <BDEDC5A8.BC01%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 12/21/04 3:14 AM, "Thierry Arbellot" <thierry.arbellot at wanadoo.fr> wrote:

> MacOS X
>      put replaceText(shell("/sbin/ifconfig en0 | head -3 | grep 'inet '
> | cut -d' ' -f 2"),"(\s|\(|\))","") into theIPAddress

I'd always used this:

     put shell("ipconfig getifaddr en0") into tIPAddress
     if tIPAddress contains "failure" then put "" into tIPAddress

I guess there's more than one way to skin a cat...

;-)

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From gandalf at doctortimothyMiller.com  Tue Dec 21 13:44:04 2004
From: gandalf at doctortimothyMiller.com (Timothy Miller)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 10:44:04 -0800
Subject: print margins
Message-ID: <p06110403bdee1f1636d3@[206.101.172.104]>

In preparation for a move to Revolution, I'm re-writing my HyperCard 
Reports (9 to 5 software) in hyperTalk. I'm setting up stacks the 
size of a standard sheet of 8.5 X 11 sheet of paper, moving data in 
and out of fields, moving fields around and so on.

As far as I can tell, the smallest print margins hyperCard can manage 
are about 5/8 inch on the left and 9/16" on the right, even with 
printmargins set to 0,0,0,0. My printer will allow much smaller 
margins using other applications. This is an insurmountable obstacle. 
I'm trying to print on a government form with narrow right and left 
margins.

What kind of print margins can I expect in Revolution, using the same 
procedure? I know I could fire it up and try. I've bought it, but it 
is still entirely unfamiliar. A quick answer would give me a head 
start.

Thanks in advance.


Tim Miller

From gandalf at doctortimothyMiller.com  Tue Dec 21 13:46:03 2004
From: gandalf at doctortimothyMiller.com (Timothy Miller)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 10:46:03 -0800
Subject: printMargins?
In-Reply-To: <346CAF18-536E-11D9-B215-000A959D005E@earthlink.net>
References: <7CF3324F-536D-11D9-9B0F-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
 <346CAF18-536E-11D9-B215-000A959D005E@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <p06110402bdee1c79999b@[206.101.172.227]>

Oops! This might be a duplicate message. Hope not!

In preparation for a move to Revolution, I'm re-writing my HyperCard 
Reports (9 to 5 software) in hyperTalk. I'm setting up stacks the 
size of a standard sheet of 8.5 X 11 sheet of paper, moving data in 
and out of fields, moving fields around and so on.

As far as I can tell, the smallest margins hyperCard can manage are 
about 5/8 inch on the left and 9/16" on the right, even with 
printmargins set to 0,0,0,0. My printer will allow much smaller 
margins using other applications. This is an insurmountable obstacle. 
I'm trying to print on a government form with narrow right and left 
margins.

What kind of print margins can I expect in Revolution, using the same 
procedure? I know I could fire it up and try. I've bought it, but it 
is still entirely unfamiliar. A quick answer would give me a head 
start.

Thanks in advance.


Tim Miller

From dsc at swcp.com  Tue Dec 21 13:49:47 2004
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 11:49:47 -0700
Subject: finding local IP?
In-Reply-To: <BDEDC5A8.BC01%kray@sonsothunder.com>
References: <BDEDC5A8.BC01%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <1643AEA8-5381-11D9-9B0F-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>


On Dec 21, 2004, at 11:20 AM, Ken Ray wrote:

>> MacOS X
>>      put replaceText(shell("/sbin/ifconfig en0 | head -3 | grep 'inet 
>> '
>> | cut -d' ' -f 2"),"(\s|\(|\))","") into theIPAddress
>
> I'd always used this:
>
>      put shell("ipconfig getifaddr en0") into tIPAddress
>      if tIPAddress contains "failure" then put "" into tIPAddress
>
> I guess there's more than one way to skin a cat...

Both of these get only the first one IP address associated with en0.  I 
guess 99.5% of the time that is what you want.  I imagine that few Macs 
have more than one IP address on en0.

On my system this always gets the initial one, no matter the order in 
network setup.

Dar
**********************************************
     DSC (Dar Scott Consulting & Dar's Lab)
     http://www.swcp.com/dsc/
     Programming Services and Software
**********************************************


From hershrev at realtorsgroup.us  Tue Dec 21 14:08:04 2004
From: hershrev at realtorsgroup.us (Hershel Fisch)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 14:08:04 -0500
Subject: positioning the  cursor
Message-ID: <A476422E-5383-11D9-AFD8-0030654C1E62@realtorsgroup.us>

Hi all
I need to tell the cursor ( or the I pointer) where to be. ( meaning 
should always be after a certain or last char)  how would I do that ?
on keyUp
   put  the cursor after fld "abc"
end keyUp
what happens is the on every time the keyUp is triggered then the char 
that is typed into the fld a number "8" follows.
what is that , and how do eliminate it?
Thanks, Hershel


From scott at tactilemedia.com  Tue Dec 21 14:21:34 2004
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 11:21:34 -0800
Subject: positioning the  cursor
In-Reply-To: <A476422E-5383-11D9-AFD8-0030654C1E62@realtorsgroup.us>
Message-ID: <BDEDB7BE.1CF29%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Hershel Fisch wrote:

> I need to tell the cursor ( or the I pointer) where to be. ( meaning
> should always be after a certain or last char)  how would I do that ?
> on keyUp
>  put  the cursor after fld "abc"
> end keyUp
> what happens is the on every time the keyUp is triggered then the char
> that is typed into the fld a number "8" follows.
> what is that , and how do eliminate it?

Try:

  select after fld "abc"

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Development & Design
-----
E: scott at tactilemedia.com
W: http://www.tactilemedia.com


From betypaul at arvotek.net  Tue Dec 21 14:24:59 2004
From: betypaul at arvotek.net (betypaul)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 14:24:59 -0500
Subject: unhilite line in list field
Message-ID: <0127D6DF-5386-11D9-AB93-000A95C38590@arvotek.net>

Hi
My script has a list field where each selection is utilized in turn.
I would like the selection to be unhilited in turn after it is utilized,
so that as the repeats are worked through the highlights turn off.
Possible?
This doesn't work --

repeat for each line mychoice in the selectedText of fld "mylistfield"
	doSomething
	unhilite mychoice of the selectedText of fld "mylistfield"  -- ?????
end repeat

but, has anyone  found a way to do this?

Seasons greetings to you all

Paul


From klaus at major-k.de  Tue Dec 21 14:24:32 2004
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 20:24:32 +0100
Subject: positioning the  cursor
In-Reply-To: <A476422E-5383-11D9-AFD8-0030654C1E62@realtorsgroup.us>
References: <A476422E-5383-11D9-AFD8-0030654C1E62@realtorsgroup.us>
Message-ID: <F0FAE50E-5385-11D9-8832-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>

Hi Hershel,

> Hi all
> I need to tell the cursor ( or the I pointer) where to be. ( meaning 
> should always be after a certain or last char)  how would I do that ?
> on keyUp
>   put  the cursor after fld "abc"
> end keyUp

You can set the cursor at the end (after last char) of a field with:

...
   select after text of fld "abc"
...

> what happens is the on every time the keyUp is triggered then the char 
> that is typed into the fld a number "8" follows.

?????
You mean if you type "merde" in the field will appear "m8e8r8d8e8"?

> what is that , and how do eliminate it?

Sorry, never seen this before...

Are you sure there is no other front or backsript that could cause this 
VERY strange phenomenon?

> Thanks, Hershel

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de


From klaus at major-k.de  Tue Dec 21 14:29:03 2004
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 20:29:03 +0100
Subject: unhilite line in list field
In-Reply-To: <0127D6DF-5386-11D9-AB93-000A95C38590@arvotek.net>
References: <0127D6DF-5386-11D9-AB93-000A95C38590@arvotek.net>
Message-ID: <92DE0090-5386-11D9-8832-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>

Hi Paul,

> Hi
> My script has a list field where each selection is utilized in turn.
> I would like the selection to be unhilited in turn after it is 
> utilized,
> so that as the repeats are worked through the highlights turn off.
> Possible?
> This doesn't work --
>
> repeat for each line mychoice in the selectedText of fld "mylistfield"
> 	doSomething
> 	unhilite mychoice of the selectedText of fld "mylistfield"  -- ?????
> end repeat
>
> but, has anyone  found a way to do this?

Just to see if i get you right:

You want to "unhilite" ALL lines AFTER you did something with the 
hilited lines?

The you can:

...
repeat for each line mychoice in the selectedText of fld "mylistfield"
	doSomething
end repeat
set the hilitedlines of fld "mylistfield" to 0
...

If that's not what you were after, drop another line :-)

> Seasons greetings to you all
>
> Paul

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de


From hershrev at realtorsgroup.us  Tue Dec 21 14:19:38 2004
From: hershrev at realtorsgroup.us (Hershel Fisch)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 14:19:38 -0500
Subject: positioning the  cursor
In-Reply-To: <F0FAE50E-5385-11D9-8832-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <42076FD9-5385-11D9-AFD8-0030654C1E62@realtorsgroup.us>

Thanks to all .
On Tuesday, December 21, 2004, at 02:24  PM, Klaus Major wrote:

> Hi Hershel,
>
>> Hi all
>> I need to tell the cursor ( or the I pointer) where to be. ( meaning 
>> should always be after a certain or last char)  how would I do that ?
>> on keyUp
>>   put  the cursor after fld "abc"
>> end keyUp
>
> You can set the cursor at the end (after last char) of a field with:
>
> ...
>   select after text of fld "abc"
> ...
>
>> what happens is the on every time the keyUp is triggered then the 
>> char that is typed into the fld a number "8" follows.
>
> ?????
> You mean if you type "merde" in the field will appear "m8e8r8d8e8"?
>
>> what is that , and how do eliminate it?
>
> Sorry, never seen this before...
>
> Are you sure there is no other front or backsript that could cause 
> this VERY strange phenomenon?
>
>> Thanks, Hershel
>
> Regards
>
> Klaus Major
> klaus at major-k.de
> http://www.major-k.de
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>


From klaus at major-k.de  Tue Dec 21 14:36:11 2004
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 20:36:11 +0100
Subject: unhilite line in list field
In-Reply-To: <92DE0090-5386-11D9-8832-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>
References: <0127D6DF-5386-11D9-AB93-000A95C38590@arvotek.net>
	<92DE0090-5386-11D9-8832-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <91D2A096-5387-11D9-8832-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>

Correction!!!

Sorry, have an evil cold in the moment...
Pass me the blowrags NOW :-)

> Hi Paul,
>
>> Hi
>> My script has a list field where each selection is utilized in turn.
>> I would like the selection to be unhilited in turn after it is 
>> utilized,
>> so that as the repeats are worked through the highlights turn off.
>> Possible?
>> This doesn't work --
>>
>> repeat for each line mychoice in the selectedText of fld "mylistfield"
>> 	doSomething
>> 	unhilite mychoice of the selectedText of fld "mylistfield"  -- ?????
>> end repeat
>>
>> but, has anyone  found a way to do this?
>
> Just to see if i get you right:
>
> You want to "unhilite" ALL lines AFTER you did something with the 
> hilited lines?
>
> The you can:

You CAN'T! :-)

> ...
> repeat for each line mychoice in the selectedText of fld "mylistfield"
> 	doSomething
> end repeat

RUBBISH!!!

Use this:

put the hilitedlines of fld "mylistfield" into mflist
repeat for each item mychoice in mflist
  ### do something with -> line mychoice of fld "mylistfield"
end repeat
set the hilitedlines of fld "mylistfield" to 0


See the dox for "hilitedlines"...

> ...
> If that's not what you were after, drop another line :-)
>
>> Seasons greetings to you all
>> Paul

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de


From klaus at major-k.de  Tue Dec 21 14:37:41 2004
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 20:37:41 +0100
Subject: positioning the  cursor
In-Reply-To: <42076FD9-5385-11D9-AFD8-0030654C1E62@realtorsgroup.us>
References: <42076FD9-5385-11D9-AFD8-0030654C1E62@realtorsgroup.us>
Message-ID: <C74BA7BD-5387-11D9-8832-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>

Hi Herschel,

> Thanks to all .

you're welcome!

> On Tuesday, December 21, 2004, at 02:24  PM, Klaus Major wrote:
>> Hi Hershel,
>>> Hi all
>>> I need to tell the cursor ( or the I pointer) where to be. ( meaning 
>>> should always be after a certain or last char)  how would I do that 
>>> ?
>>> on keyUp
>>>   put  the cursor after fld "abc"
>>> end keyUp
>> You can set the cursor at the end (after last char) of a field with:
>> ...
>>   select after text of fld "abc"
>> ...
>>> what happens is the on every time the keyUp is triggered then the 
>>> char that is typed into the fld a number "8" follows.
>> ?????
>> You mean if you type "merde" in the field will appear "m8e8r8d8e8"?

Does/did this really happen this way?

Please tell us :-)


Best

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de


From martin at materiaprima.fsnet.co.uk  Tue Dec 21 14:47:53 2004
From: martin at materiaprima.fsnet.co.uk (Martin Baxter)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 14:47:53 -0500 (EST)
Subject: positioning the  cursor
In-Reply-To: <A476422E-5383-11D9-AFD8-0030654C1E62@realtorsgroup.us>
Message-ID: <l03130300bdee42065e25@[81.78.105.49]>

>Hershel Fisch wrote:
>on keyUp
>   put  the cursor after fld "abc"
>end keyUp
>what happens is the on every time the keyUp is triggered then the char
>that is typed into the fld a number "8" follows.
>what is that , and how do eliminate it?

8 is the id of the browse cursor, so maybe that's what is being appended to
the field

Martin Baxter




From klaus at major-k.de  Tue Dec 21 14:57:37 2004
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 20:57:37 +0100
Subject: positioning the  cursor
In-Reply-To: <l03130300bdee42065e25@[81.78.105.49]>
References: <l03130300bdee42065e25@[81.78.105.49]>
Message-ID: <9088F983-538A-11D9-8832-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>

Hi Martin,

>> Hershel Fisch wrote:
>> on keyUp
>>   put  the cursor after fld "abc"
>> end keyUp
>> what happens is the on every time the keyUp is triggered then the char
>> that is typed into the fld a number "8" follows.
>> what is that , and how do eliminate it?
>
> 8 is the id of the browse cursor, so maybe that's what is being 
> appended to
> the field

Ahhhhh, yes, sure, makes sense!

I didn't realize that the code snippet was a "real" one :-)

S8u8r8p8r8i8s8e8,8 8 s8u8r8p8r8i8s8e8! :-D

> Martin Baxter

Best from germany

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de


From bill at bluewatermaritime.com  Tue Dec 21 15:32:26 2004
From: bill at bluewatermaritime.com (Bill)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 16:32:26 -0400
Subject: printMargins?
In-Reply-To: <p06110402bdee1c79999b@[206.101.172.227]>
Message-ID: <BDEE009A.6E03%bill@bluewatermaritime.com>

Tim Miller

I have done exactly the same thing as you. If you are printing U.S. Customs
forms, Immigration forms etc. let me know as I have already done most of the
work converting from nine to five software to revolution. I have the data
stored in mysql and when accessed sent to runrev cards that are the 8.5 X 11
and print them with:

on mouseup

  set the printmargins to 0,0,0,0
  open printing with dialog
  print card from 0,0 to 612,792
  close printing

end mouseup

As far as I can tell the margins are whatever the printer will allow. I have
had some trouble with landscape printing and still haven't converted
everything over as nine to five software reports is such an incredible
program it is very hard to duplicate it.

Bill


On 12/21/04 2:46 PM, "Timothy Miller" <gandalf at doctortimothyMiller.com>
wrote:

> Oops! This might be a duplicate message. Hope not!
> 
> In preparation for a move to Revolution, I'm re-writing my HyperCard
> Reports (9 to 5 software) in hyperTalk. I'm setting up stacks the
> size of a standard sheet of 8.5 X 11 sheet of paper, moving data in
> and out of fields, moving fields around and so on.
> 
> As far as I can tell, the smallest margins hyperCard can manage are
> about 5/8 inch on the left and 9/16" on the right, even with
> printmargins set to 0,0,0,0. My printer will allow much smaller
> margins using other applications. This is an insurmountable obstacle.
> I'm trying to print on a government form with narrow right and left
> margins.
> 
> What kind of print margins can I expect in Revolution, using the same
> procedure? I know I could fire it up and try. I've bought it, but it
> is still entirely unfamiliar. A quick answer would give me a head
> start.
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> 
> Tim Miller
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Dec 21 15:34:27 2004
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 14:34:27 -0600
Subject: Newbies looking for documentation
In-Reply-To: <20041221033744.85034.qmail@web51105.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20041221033744.85034.qmail@web51105.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <41C888D3.7020506@hyperactivesw.com>

On 12/20/04 9:37 PM, Gordon wrote:

> Dear Revolutionaries (particularly fellow rev newbies)
> 
> I was trawling around the rev website and I happened
> to read an article I had previously glossed over - the
> one about moving to rev from C++ or Java environments.
> I was never particularly fond of either of these
> languages - learning C++ from a book is about as much
> fun as having root canal work and Java's "write once
> run anywhere" rang as true as "a lone gunman shooting
> from the book depository" (more goddam' flavors than
> Baskin-Robbins). When I finally read the article
> however, I found that it contained a really useful
> overview of rev and there were some particularly juicy
> tidbits that are not apparent from the built-in docs
> that come with rev.

As far as I know, all the documentation on the web site is taken 
directly from the built-in docs that ship with Revolution -- so the 
article is in the docs somewhere. I admit it is hard to locate some of 
them though.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com

From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Dec 21 16:05:42 2004
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 15:05:42 -0600
Subject: Standalone cuts off stack
In-Reply-To: <529D0720-5351-11D9-8451-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>
References: <41C7168E.8010007@hyperactivesw.com>
	<F40A7CA2-52EB-11D9-80AA-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au>
	<529D0720-5351-11D9-8451-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>
Message-ID: <41C89026.9080506@hyperactivesw.com>

On 12/21/04 7:07 AM, Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote:

> I have noticed that the menubar seems to resize the stack somewhere 
> between preOpenStack and openStack.  If you set the stack height in 
> preOpenStack, you need to set it as if the menu bar were in the stack 
> window (Windows/UNIX style), and if you set it in the openStack handler, 
> you need to consider the platform and set it to the desired height for 
> the platform you are on (which is a visible process).

Makes sense, and I could implement this. I suspect the problem has 
something to do with the distribution builder though, as it doesn't 
happen when I build in MetaCard. In MC, building a standalone is a 
transparent process where you don't have to consider the stack size at all.

For now, I'll set the height of the card rather than the stack. That is 
what you are describing, I think.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com

From fde101 at fjrhome.net  Tue Dec 21 16:25:45 2004
From: fde101 at fjrhome.net (Frank D. Engel, Jr.)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 16:25:45 -0500
Subject: Standalone cuts off stack
In-Reply-To: <41C89026.9080506@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <41C7168E.8010007@hyperactivesw.com>
	<F40A7CA2-52EB-11D9-80AA-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au>
	<529D0720-5351-11D9-8451-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>
	<41C89026.9080506@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <E01A170B-5396-11D9-872A-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>

No, setting the height of a card should have no effect.  The trick is 
to figure out the height of the stack when the menu bar is displayed in 
the stack, then set the height of the stack to that value from within 
the preOpenStack handler.

On Dec 21, 2004, at 4:05 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> On 12/21/04 7:07 AM, Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote:
>
>> I have noticed that the menubar seems to resize the stack somewhere 
>> between preOpenStack and openStack.  If you set the stack height in 
>> preOpenStack, you need to set it as if the menu bar were in the stack 
>> window (Windows/UNIX style), and if you set it in the openStack 
>> handler, you need to consider the platform and set it to the desired 
>> height for the platform you are on (which is a visible process).
>
> Makes sense, and I could implement this. I suspect the problem has 
> something to do with the distribution builder though, as it doesn't 
> happen when I build in MetaCard. In MC, building a standalone is a 
> transparent process where you don't have to consider the stack size at 
> all.
>
> For now, I'll set the height of the card rather than the stack. That 
> is what you are describing, I think.
>
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
>
-----------------------------------------------------------
Frank D. Engel, Jr.  <fde101 at fjrhome.net>

$ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
$ true | cat /usr/manual | grep "John 3:16"
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten 
Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have 
everlasting life.
$



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From malte.brill at t-online.de  Tue Dec 21 17:00:37 2004
From: malte.brill at t-online.de (malte.brill at t-online.de)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 23:00:37 +0100 (CET)
Subject: Can't build a standalone
In-Reply-To: <20041221170020.511679301D8@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20041221170020.511679301D8@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <1103666220.41c89c2c40d96@modem.webmail.t-online.de>

Gruetzi Thomas,

>switched from "Search for required inclusions..." to "Select
inclusions 
>for standalone application",
>and that did the trick. Thank you very much!
>Next question: what does (or is supposed to do) the "Search for 
>required inclusions..." option?

As far as I know "Search for required inclusens" will walk through the
stacks scripts and look which inclusions are necessary for it. If you
have a password protected stack the standalone builder can?t walk
through it to look which inclusions are needed. Was your stack Password
protected?

Best,

Malte

From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Dec 21 17:58:51 2004
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 16:58:51 -0600
Subject: Standalone cuts off stack
In-Reply-To: <E01A170B-5396-11D9-872A-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>
References: <41C7168E.8010007@hyperactivesw.com>
	<F40A7CA2-52EB-11D9-80AA-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au>
	<529D0720-5351-11D9-8451-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>
	<41C89026.9080506@hyperactivesw.com>
	<E01A170B-5396-11D9-872A-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>
Message-ID: <41C8AAAB.1000100@hyperactivesw.com>

On 12/21/04 3:25 PM, Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote:

> No, setting the height of a card should have no effect.  The trick is to 
> figure out the height of the stack when the menu bar is displayed in the 
> stack, then set the height of the stack to that value from within the 
> preOpenStack handler.

Sorry, I didn't say it right the first time. What I should have said 
was, I need to set the height of the stack to the height of the card. 
The height of the card always includes the height of the menu bar group. 
(Which may save you some time in the future, since there is nothing to 
"figure out"; the card height is always the same whether the card has 
been scrolled or not.)

Or am I still off base?

> 
> On Dec 21, 2004, at 4:05 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
> 
>> On 12/21/04 7:07 AM, Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote:
>>
>>> I have noticed that the menubar seems to resize the stack somewhere 
>>> between preOpenStack and openStack.  If you set the stack height in 
>>> preOpenStack, you need to set it as if the menu bar were in the stack 
>>> window (Windows/UNIX style), and if you set it in the openStack 
>>> handler, you need to consider the platform and set it to the desired 
>>> height for the platform you are on (which is a visible process).
>>
>>
>> Makes sense, and I could implement this. I suspect the problem has 
>> something to do with the distribution builder though, as it doesn't 
>> happen when I build in MetaCard. In MC, building a standalone is a 
>> transparent process where you don't have to consider the stack size at 
>> all.
>>
>> For now, I'll set the height of the card rather than the stack. That 
>> is what you are describing, I think.
>>
>> -- 
>> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>>
>>
> -----------------------------------------------------------
> Frank D. Engel, Jr.  <fde101 at fjrhome.net>
> 
> $ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
> $ true | cat /usr/manual | grep "John 3:16"
> John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten 
> Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have 
> everlasting life.
> $
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> 


-- 
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HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com

From webmaster at dreamscapesoftware.com  Tue Dec 21 18:04:04 2004
From: webmaster at dreamscapesoftware.com (Derek Bump)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 17:04:04 -0600
Subject: Windows logoff command
References: <471D4584-5364-11D9-96BF-0003936A2C42@mac.com>
Message-ID: <000a01c4e7b1$5f1780e0$8d69113f@DOWNSTAIRS>

> 1. Is there a command I can write in Revolution to log the user off?

on windowsLogoff
   set the hideConsoleWindows to true
   if "NT" is in the SystemVersion then set the shellCommand to "cmd.exe"
   get shell("start logoff.exe")
end windowsLogoff


Works on WinXP, should work on WinNT/2K.
 

Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software
____________________________________________
Compress Images Easily with JPEGCompress
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com

From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Dec 21 18:09:17 2004
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 17:09:17 -0600
Subject: Standalone cuts off stack
In-Reply-To: <529D0720-5351-11D9-8451-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>
References: <41C7168E.8010007@hyperactivesw.com>
	<F40A7CA2-52EB-11D9-80AA-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au>
	<529D0720-5351-11D9-8451-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>
Message-ID: <41C8AD1D.5020504@hyperactivesw.com>

On 12/21/04 7:07 AM, Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote:

> The best solution I have found is to figure out the size as on 
> Windows/UNIX (go into the menu builder and set the menu bar to display 
> in the window, then use the property inspector on the stack window to 
> check the height), and set the height to this in the preOpenStack 
> handler.  No platform checks, no visible resize -- it just works.

Followup: it didn't work.

The height I want -- that is, the height of the scrolled stack plus the 
menu bar height -- is 404. (This is the same as the card height.) I hard 
coded it like this:

on preOpenStack
  set the height of this stack to 404
end preOpenStack

Built an app. It still got cut off. Blech. :(

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com

From userev at canelasoftware.com  Tue Dec 21 18:12:02 2004
From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 15:12:02 -0800
Subject: Standalone cuts off stack
In-Reply-To: <41C8AD1D.5020504@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <41C7168E.8010007@hyperactivesw.com>
	<F40A7CA2-52EB-11D9-80AA-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au>
	<529D0720-5351-11D9-8451-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>
	<41C8AD1D.5020504@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <B8F07684-53A5-11D9-965E-000D93373366@canelasoftware.com>


On Dec 21, 2004, at 3:09 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> On 12/21/04 7:07 AM, Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote:
>
>> The best solution I have found is to figure out the size as on 
>> Windows/UNIX (go into the menu builder and set the menu bar to 
>> display in the window, then use the property inspector on the stack 
>> window to check the height), and set the height to this in the 
>> preOpenStack handler.  No platform checks, no visible resize -- it 
>> just works.
>
> Followup: it didn't work.
>
> The height I want -- that is, the height of the scrolled stack plus 
> the menu bar height -- is 404. (This is the same as the card height.) 
> I hard coded it like this:
>
> on preOpenStack
>  set the height of this stack to 404
> end preOpenStack
>
> Built an app. It still got cut off. Blech. :(
>

I put that stuff in the openStack.  It works well for me.

-- 
Best regards,
Mark Talluto
http://www.canelasoftware.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Dec 21 18:13:58 2004
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 17:13:58 -0600
Subject: Standalone cuts off stack
In-Reply-To: <41C8AD1D.5020504@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <41C7168E.8010007@hyperactivesw.com>
	<F40A7CA2-52EB-11D9-80AA-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au>
	<529D0720-5351-11D9-8451-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>
	<41C8AD1D.5020504@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <41C8AE36.9080706@hyperactivesw.com>

On 12/21/04 5:09 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> On 12/21/04 7:07 AM, Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote:
> 
>> The best solution I have found is to figure out the size as on 
>> Windows/UNIX (go into the menu builder and set the menu bar to display 
>> in the window, then use the property inspector on the stack window to 
>> check the height), and set the height to this in the preOpenStack 
>> handler.  No platform checks, no visible resize -- it just works.
> 
> 
> Followup: it didn't work.
> 
> The height I want -- that is, the height of the scrolled stack plus the 
> menu bar height -- is 404. (This is the same as the card height.) I hard 
> coded it like this:
> 
> on preOpenStack
>  set the height of this stack to 404
> end preOpenStack
> 
> Built an app. It still got cut off. Blech. :(
> 

Wait, wait! It DOES work. I had a typo the first time. Yay!

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com

From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Dec 21 19:33:11 2004
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 16:33:11 -0800
Subject: [OT] News: Broadband uses passes dial-up
Message-ID: <41C8C0C7.6090304@fourthworld.com>

This news item may be of interest to the folks here to use Rev to make 
'net apps:

<http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=562&e=12&u=/ap/ye_broadband_nation>

Excerpt:

    Broadband Use Surpasses Dial-Up in U.S.

    Tue Dec 21,10:47 AM ET
    By ANICK JESDANUN, AP Internet Writer

    As prices dropped over the past year, broadband use at
    home has surpassed that of dial-up in the United States,
    reaching 53 percent of residential Web users in October,
    according to Nielsen/NetRatings.
    ....


--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  __________________________________________________
  Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev

From revolution at jaedworks.com  Tue Dec 21 20:02:02 2004
From: revolution at jaedworks.com (Jeanne A. E. DeVoto)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 17:02:02 -0800
Subject: Newbies looking for documentation
In-Reply-To: <20041221033744.85034.qmail@web51105.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20041221033744.85034.qmail@web51105.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <p062007d6bded78b9e527@[66.93.39.98]>

At 7:37 PM -0800 12/20/04, Gordon wrote:
>I was trawling around the rev website and I happened
>to read an article I had previously glossed over - the
>one about moving to rev from C++ or Java environments.
>[...]
>Here's the juiciest - I didn't know that rev functions
>could be called with an indeterminate number of
>parameters and that you could then use the 'param',
>'paramCount' and 'params' keywords to process them.

Hi, Gordon. You may find it useful to read through the Encyclopedia 
articles in the documentation (the ones starting with "About...") for 
more information such as this. (For example, the same info about 
implicit parameters can be found in "About commands and functions".) 
Plowing through the documentation can be kind of dry, but I think 
you'll find you'll come across more useful tidbits like this.
-- 
jeanne a. e. devoto ~ revolution at jaedworks.com
http://www.jaedworks.com

From johnrule at rcsprogramming.com  Wed Dec 22 01:21:45 2004
From: johnrule at rcsprogramming.com (John Rule)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 22:21:45 -0800
Subject: AirSync graphics issue
In-Reply-To: <20041221170020.1843A9301D7@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <200412220022265.SM02204@minipcxp>

I have run into a very embarrassing problem with a customer. 

When using the remote desktop feature of the Viewsonic Airsync wireless
monitor, most graphics in my stand-alone are displayed as garbage. This
happens in either the IDE, stand-alone, or any version of the engine. I also
tried this with several computers, and several different graphics
settings...same problem no matter what.

All other application work fine.

JR


From tominjapan at excite.com  Wed Dec 22 01:28:44 2004
From: tominjapan at excite.com (Thomas McCarthy)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 01:28:44 -0500 (EST)
Subject: MCIsendstring--status level
Message-ID: <20041222062844.693713DB7@xprdmailfe8.nwk.excite.com>


I'm a big fan of MCIsendstring. Really a lifesaver when making stuff for Windows.
So a quick question. I use the waveform recorder a lot. I would like to show an input level, like I can do with my mac version. I see "status level" is a possible command string, but it doesn't seem to work.

Anyone have luck with it?
thanks
tom

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From tominjapan at excite.com  Wed Dec 22 01:31:24 2004
From: tominjapan at excite.com (Thomas McCarthy)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 01:31:24 -0500 (EST)
Subject: MCIsendstring--Audio CD--Mac equivilent?
Message-ID: <20041222063124.C11803DB7@xprdmailfe8.nwk.excite.com>


One of my favorite uses for MCI commands is to control the CD drive.

Is there a way to do so on the mac. Perhaps with shell commands?

tom

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From malte.brill at t-online.de  Wed Dec 22 04:43:46 2004
From: malte.brill at t-online.de (malte.brill at t-online.de)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 10:43:46 +0100
Subject: WIKI
In-Reply-To: <20041221215620.19C9F930273@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20041221215620.19C9F930273@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <1Ch322-03EjhY0@filter11.bbul.t-online.de>

Hi list,

somebody terrorized the WIKI I?ve set up at

http://www.derbrill.com/faq/revolution

That funny guy/gal deleted all the files containing information and
posted calendars from 2003-2006.
I?ve restored that pages now. If you have posted any info to the WIKI
please check if the pages still hold the info you wanted them to hold.
If you have any more info you want to see there feel free to post
tutorials or suggest topics!

Best,

Malte



From serrano.jc at elp-info.fr  Wed Dec 22 05:18:40 2004
From: serrano.jc at elp-info.fr (Jean-Claude SERRANO)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 11:18:40 +0100
Subject: Standalone and Valentina
Message-ID: <BDEF0890.C99%serrano.jc@elp-info.fr>

I have an application developed in revolution.
This application works with a database Valentina.
The Connection to the database is good by using Revolution on Mac OS X.
But, I can?t connect to the database in the standalone version.
 
Can somebody help me?
 
PS : I am a French user, want to excuse me for my English.... :-)
 
Jean-claude SERRANO

From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net  Wed Dec 22 06:34:44 2004
From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 06:34:44 -0500
Subject: AirSync graphics issue
In-Reply-To: <200412220022265.SM02204@minipcxp>
References: <200412220022265.SM02204@minipcxp>
Message-ID: <7A4693D4-540D-11D9-A6A2-000A95DA60FA@adelphia.net>

John,

I would never allow myself to be embarrassed by a computer problem. You 
just have to be ready for weird things like this as always being a 
possibility.

So you are saying that the graphics are always displayed as garbage? 
Regardless of whether this Viewsonic Airsync wireless monitor is used? 
Or is it only when you use the"Remote Desktop" Feature of this monitor? 
Or is the Remote Desktop a part of another software?

I use remote desktop control software (Timbuktu and Apple Remote 
Desktop as well as Virtual PC with PC Anywhere) and graphics are the 
first thing to offer up problems. Good graphics are heavily dependent 
on RAM and Video cards etc. Each computer having different specs, this 
is hard to check for.

I would try and track down a couple of issues. You say that only some 
show up as garbage? Then check if they are all in the same format. If 
some are jpg and others png etc. then make them all the same format as 
the one that works. Or you can try a couple of formats with the suspect 
graphic and see if any show up ok. I would also check the graphic 
itself and maybe reduce the resolution of those graphics giving you 
problems.

Are all of them the same specs? RBG, DPI, Resolution etc?

Are some bigger than others?

Are some embedded and others referenced?

Hopefully you just overlooked one of these and can fix it.

If you still can't find a solution then is the project small enough to 
download off the web? I can look it over. I usually can find solutions 
for issues like this.


Tom

On Dec 22, 2004, at 1:21 AM, John Rule wrote:

> I have run into a very embarrassing problem with a customer.
>
> When using the remote desktop feature of the Viewsonic Airsync wireless
> monitor, most graphics in my stand-alone are displayed as garbage. This
> happens in either the IDE, stand-alone, or any version of the engine. 
> I also
> tried this with several computers, and several different graphics
> settings...same problem no matter what.
>
> All other application work fine.
>
> JR
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
>

Thomas J. McGrath III
SCS
1000 Killarney Dr.
Pittsburgh, PA 15234
412-885-8541


From webmail at xasamail.com  Wed Dec 22 08:30:06 2004
From: webmail at xasamail.com (webmailman)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 14:30:06 +0100
Subject: DreamCard Review-PCPLUS
Message-ID: <200412221330.iBMDU6m8031742@xasamail.com>

Dreamcard2.5 slammed hard by PCPLUS!
Rating: 4 of 10

Time to wake up and smell the coffee, Revolutionaries!


In issue 224 (Christmas 2004), Paul Hudson gives readers his insights into Dreamcard 2.5. Here are a few excerpts:

"An integrated development environment designed to allow non-programmers to become programmers. Bizarrely designed to make even the simplests operations difficult beyond belief, VisualBasic.NET is faster and a great deal easier to use."

[Tranlsation: Non-intuitive interface is a severe handicap. VB.NET is easier for beginners.]


"If you're a non-programmer and want to stay a non-programmer, for goodness sake use PowerPoint, Access, Visual Basic for Applications, or some other tool you already have. If you want to become a programmer, this is perhaps the finest example of how not to do it--stick with Visual Studio."

[Translation: For typical office and home users, use your existing MS tools; they're more than adequate for most of your needs. If you want to test the waters of becomming a programmer, don't waste time with DreamCard; go directly to Visual Studio.]


"The GUI looks easier than it is--full marks go to the menu bars for total confusion."

[Translation: What were they thinking when they came up with the ridiculous tool bar system?]


"As with other graphical IDEs, you can drag and drop components directly onto your window and manipulate them visually--at this point you're thinking that sounds something like VB.NET.  Sadly, that vision is cruelly shattered when you try to make your GUI do something. Adding functionality throws you into the deep-end, grasping wildly for some sort of documentation to help you out. Documentation there is, but it doesn't help you."

[Translation: There is ducomentaion, but the design sux so bad as to be next to useless.]


"The 'programs' you make now that you're a programmer get run through DreamCard Player, which is a great way to burst the bubble of professionalism in just three easy steps."

[If you want your presentations to look profesional, better stick with tried-and-true tools that you probably already know, like PowerPoint.]


Looks like some re-think is in order...



    http://www.xasamail.com/

From sims at ezpzapps.com  Wed Dec 22 10:42:33 2004
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (sims)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 16:42:33 +0100
Subject: testing https - roots.pem file
Message-ID: <p06110416bdef44f11367@[10.0.0.3]>

On 9 Sep 2004, at 10:28 Dave Cragg wrote:

>I'd guess the problem is with the sslCertificates property. In the
>alpha or beta releases, there was a file named "roots.pem" that the
>sslCertificates property had to be set to for connections to work. (I
>think this file contains the basic certificates needed for secure
>connections.) I don't see this file in the current release, but
>connections work here if I set the property to the file from the
>earlier releases. Without doing this, I get a similar error to the one
>above.
>
>I'm on OS X, and it may be there is a .pem file on the system that the
>sslCertificates can be set to. But I can't find one that works.
>
>If anyone needs this urgently, let me know and I'll mail the file I
>have. But it would be better if RunRev could make this available on
>their site.

I am trying to figure out how to use the Rev 2.5 https feature.
Sounds like I need either a file named "roots.pem" or some way to point
to such a file. Can anyone clue me in about using https?

Anyone have a simple https stack which works? Does it work?

tia
sims
EuroRevCon 2006!


From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Wed Dec 22 10:57:18 2004
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 08:57:18 -0700
Subject: Standalone and Valentina
In-Reply-To: <BDEF0890.C99%serrano.jc@elp-info.fr>
References: <BDEF0890.C99%serrano.jc@elp-info.fr>
Message-ID: <287FF0E5-5432-11D9-A9C0-000D9337CDC8@mangomultimedia.com>

On Dec 22, 2004, at 3:18 AM, Jean-Claude SERRANO wrote:

> I have an application developed in revolution.
> This application works with a database Valentina.
> The Connection to the database is good by using Revolution on Mac OS X.
> But, I can?t connect to the database in the standalone version.
>
> Can somebody help me?

Oui, on peut vous aider.

When you build a standalone you need to make the database dll/bundles 
available to your standalone executable.  There are a couple of ways to 
do this.

Method 1: Use the Standalone Builder

If you are using Rev 2.5 (maybe 2.2 as well, I don't remember) then you 
configure your standalone application by selecting "Standalone 
Application Settings..." from the file menu or the Application Browser 
contextual menu.  From the "General" section select the "Database 
Support" checkbox and select "Valentina".  In theory this should place 
all the files you need for database connectivity in the folder the 
Standalone Builder puts your executable in.  I haven't tried it for 
Valentina but I know it doesn't work for MySQL in 2.5.

Method 2: Do it manually

This is my preferred method.  Once you understand how everything works 
it isn't too hard and you can place the required database files 
anywhere you would like.  I'm an organization freak so this suits me 
nicely :-)

When working with databases and Revolution you generally need two 
externals whether working on OS X or Windows.  The first is 
revdb.dll/.bundle which is the database abstraction external for 
Revolution.  When you call a handler such as revOpenDatabase you are 
using this external.  You can find these files in the 
"components/global environment/" folder in your Revolution application 
folder.

The second file is the database external itself, in your case 
VXCMD_macho/VXCMD.dll.  These files are located in "components/global 
environment/database_drivers/MacOSX/" and "components/global 
environment/database_drivers/Win32/".

To begin with you must copy these files in a location where your 
executable will easily be able to find them.  Here is what I do:

./myExecutable.exe
./data/externals/revdb.dll
./data/externals/revdb.bundle
./data/externals/VXCMD_macho
./data/externals/VXCMD.dll

Now that the files are in the proper location you need to tell your 
executable where to find the files.  This requires two steps.  First 
you need to set the externals property of the stack used to make your 
standalone so the engine knows where to find revdb.dll/.bundle.  Second 
you need to set the the database driver path using 
revSetDatabaseDriverPath.

Though there are other ways to set externals property of a stack the 
most straightforward way is to set the externals in the "startup" 
handler that is called when your executable launches.  You could put 
something like this in your stack script:

on startup
	local tExternals	= ""

	put	sys_AppPath() & "/data/externals/revdb.dll" &cr into tExternals
	put	sys_AppPath() & "/data/externals/revdb.bundle" after tExternals

	set the externals of this stack to tExternals

	pass startup
end startup

/**
  * Set the database driver path.
  */
on preOpenStack
	--> TEST: DISPLAY THE EXTERNAL PACKAGES AVAILABLE TO THE STACK
	--> SHOULD DISPLAY "RevDB".
	answer the externalPackages of this stack

	revSetDatabaseDriverPath (sys_AppPath() & "/data/externals/")

	pass preOpenStack
end preOpenStack


/**
  * Returns the path to the executable.
  */
function sys_AppPath
   local tPath	= ""

   put address into tPath
   set itemDel to ":"
   delete item 1 of tPath

   return tPath
end sys_AppPath


This code will set the externals of the stack and display a dialog box 
showing which external packages are available to the stack.  If 
everything went as planned then the dialog box should display "RevDB".  
Hopefully this will get you started.  If you aren't using revDB and are 
just accessing Valentina directly using the XCMD then you would do 
things slightly differently.  If this is the case then let me know I 
can explain how to do that.

Hope this helps,


-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Multimedia
trevor at mangomultimedia.com

From Signe.Sanne at roman.uib.no  Wed Dec 22 11:21:45 2004
From: Signe.Sanne at roman.uib.no (Signe Marie Sanne)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 17:21:45 +0100
Subject: Umlaut on a consonant letter
Message-ID: <41C99F19.3020905@roman.uib.no>

Hello,
I'm going to develop a language learning course in the Indian dialect Boruca 
(used in Costa Rica). In their written language they use an umlaut on top of 
the letter n. Any clues to how to generate this letter either in Word or in 
Revolution?

Regards
Signe Marie Sanne

From ps1 at softseven.org  Wed Dec 22 11:20:41 2004
From: ps1 at softseven.org (Paul Salyers)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 10:20:41 -0600
Subject: Internal web browser
In-Reply-To: <p06110416bdef44f11367@[10.0.0.3]>
References: <p06110416bdef44f11367@[10.0.0.3]>
Message-ID: <6.1.1.1.2.20041222095311.02650e68@softseven.org>




I would like to know how to make a card that will let me have an internal 
browser for a web site, where I want it to show my web site with the click 
of a button.

Can anyone help?



Paul Salyers
PS1 - Senior Rep.
PS1 at softseven.org 


From fde101 at fjrhome.net  Wed Dec 22 11:32:57 2004
From: fde101 at fjrhome.net (Frank D. Engel, Jr.)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 11:32:57 -0500
Subject: DreamCard Review-PCPLUS
In-Reply-To: <200412221330.iBMDU6m8031742@xasamail.com>
References: <200412221330.iBMDU6m8031742@xasamail.com>
Message-ID: <2322683B-5437-11D9-AF71-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

It's a Windows magazine, probably written by Windows fans.  What do 
they know?

;-)

Seriously, they are both correct, and lacking.  Rev is by far an easier 
environment to work with than Visual Studio, and personally I hate 
Microsoft stuff.  OTOH, the documentation is quite lacking from the 
perspective of learning how to use Rev (the tutorials in RevOnline are 
a nice start, but still lacking).  Additionally, there are some flaws 
in the interface design of the IDE which can be quite confusing for new 
users.

Rev is *very* nice after you know where to look for things, but 
HyperCard it is not.

On Dec 22, 2004, at 8:30 AM, webmailman wrote:

> Dreamcard2.5 slammed hard by PCPLUS!
> Rating: 4 of 10
>
> Time to wake up and smell the coffee, Revolutionaries!
>
>
> In issue 224 (Christmas 2004), Paul Hudson gives readers his insights 
> into Dreamcard 2.5. Here are a few excerpts:
>
> "An integrated development environment designed to allow 
> non-programmers to become programmers. Bizarrely designed to make even 
> the simplests operations difficult beyond belief, VisualBasic.NET is 
> faster and a great deal easier to use."
>
> [Tranlsation: Non-intuitive interface is a severe handicap. VB.NET is 
> easier for beginners.]
>
>
> "If you're a non-programmer and want to stay a non-programmer, for 
> goodness sake use PowerPoint, Access, Visual Basic for Applications, 
> or some other tool you already have. If you want to become a 
> programmer, this is perhaps the finest example of how not to do 
> it--stick with Visual Studio."
>
> [Translation: For typical office and home users, use your existing MS 
> tools; they're more than adequate for most of your needs. If you want 
> to test the waters of becomming a programmer, don't waste time with 
> DreamCard; go directly to Visual Studio.]
>
>
> "The GUI looks easier than it is--full marks go to the menu bars for 
> total confusion."
>
> [Translation: What were they thinking when they came up with the 
> ridiculous tool bar system?]
>
>
> "As with other graphical IDEs, you can drag and drop components 
> directly onto your window and manipulate them visually--at this point 
> you're thinking that sounds something like VB.NET.  Sadly, that vision 
> is cruelly shattered when you try to make your GUI do something. 
> Adding functionality throws you into the deep-end, grasping wildly for 
> some sort of documentation to help you out. Documentation there is, 
> but it doesn't help you."
>
> [Translation: There is ducomentaion, but the design sux so bad as to 
> be next to useless.]
>
>
> "The 'programs' you make now that you're a programmer get run through 
> DreamCard Player, which is a great way to burst the bubble of 
> professionalism in just three easy steps."
>
> [If you want your presentations to look profesional, better stick with 
> tried-and-true tools that you probably already know, like PowerPoint.]
>
>
> Looks like some re-think is in order...
>
>
>
>     http://www.xasamail.com/
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
>
- -----------------------------------------------------------
Frank D. Engel, Jr.  <fde101 at fjrhome.net>

$ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
$ true | cat /usr/manual | grep "John 3:16"
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten 
Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have 
everlasting life.
$
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From fde101 at fjrhome.net  Wed Dec 22 11:45:31 2004
From: fde101 at fjrhome.net (Frank D. Engel, Jr.)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 11:45:31 -0500
Subject: Umlaut on a consonant letter
In-Reply-To: <41C99F19.3020905@roman.uib.no>
References: <41C99F19.3020905@roman.uib.no>
Message-ID: <E4818992-5438-11D9-AF71-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>

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Hash: SHA1

Character Map should be included with Windows, if that is what you are 
using (based on your ref to Word).

For OS X, open International in System Preferences and turn on 
"Character Palette" and "Show input menu in menu bar".  Then a flag 
icon shows up in your menu bar.  Choose "Show Character Palette" from 
that menu.

On Dec 22, 2004, at 11:21 AM, Signe Marie Sanne wrote:

> Hello,
> I'm going to develop a language learning course in the Indian dialect 
> Boruca (used in Costa Rica). In their written language they use an 
> umlaut on top of the letter n. Any clues to how to generate this 
> letter either in Word or in Revolution?
>
> Regards
> Signe Marie Sanne
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
>
- -----------------------------------------------------------
Frank D. Engel, Jr.  <fde101 at fjrhome.net>

$ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
$ true | cat /usr/manual | grep "John 3:16"
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten 
Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have 
everlasting life.
$
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yI3Tm7emnxc3isbXCXitL4w=
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Dec 22 11:52:12 2004
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 08:52:12 -0800
Subject: Is the problem Micro$oft or its customers?
Message-ID: <41C9A63C.5010501@fourthworld.com>


I've been updating WebMerge to take advantage of Rev 2.5's improved 
support for native XP appearances -- so far not bad:
<http://www.fourthworld.com/wincolors.jpg>

As you can see in that image, WebMerge's background color is the same as 
XP's background for the Display control panel and other UIs where a tab 
control is behind most of the other controls.

While it looks OK to me, my beta testing customers have submitted 
reports saying the UI is "too light"; the previous version of WM used 
the Win95 appearance with its dark, dank gray.

So I have three ways to handle these reports:

a) Tell them it's conformant with Micro$oft's published spec and so they 
need to get used to it, possibly providing an email address for 
Micro$oft's design team so they can complain directly to the source.

b) Ignore Micro$oft's XP Visual Design Guidelines and use their darker 
background color (the tan behind the tab) for the tab control itself.

c) Use the Gaslight method:  Tell 'em it's actually the same but their 
vision has changed. ;)


I've been doing a), but as more reports come in I'm considering the 
possibility that the enormously-well-funded-yet-still-tasteless UI team 
at Micro$oft may have gotten it wrong; maybe that color is indeed too light.

So do I conform to Micro$oft and face the wrath of customers, or conform 
to the customers and face the wrath of reviewers?

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  Developer of WebMerge: Publish any database on any Web site
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com

From webmaster at dreamscapesoftware.com  Wed Dec 22 11:54:03 2004
From: webmaster at dreamscapesoftware.com (Derek Bump)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 10:54:03 -0600
Subject: Internal web browser
References: <p06110416bdef44f11367@[10.0.0.3]>
	<6.1.1.1.2.20041222095311.02650e68@softseven.org>
Message-ID: <037901c4e846$dad5b590$dd09113f@DOWNSTAIRS>

> I would like to know how to make a card that will let me have an internal 
> browser for a web site, where I want it to show my web site with the click 
> of a button.
> 
> Can anyone help?

Purchase altBrowser from RunRev.  $99.

http://secure.runrev.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=RVSLALTUALTB&Category_Code=RVSL&Store_Code=SDREBWLP
 

Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software
____________________________________________
Compress Images Easily with JPEGCompress
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com
 

From webmaster at dreamscapesoftware.com  Wed Dec 22 12:04:56 2004
From: webmaster at dreamscapesoftware.com (Derek Bump)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 11:04:56 -0600
Subject: Is the problem Micro$oft or its customers?
References: <41C9A63C.5010501@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <038401c4e848$5dc11200$dd09113f@DOWNSTAIRS>

I think you should compair the number of customer's who have complained to the number who havn't.  If there's not even a staggering difference, then I wouldn't even worry about it.  When it comes to software, there's always 10% of users who are Never happy with changes.
 

Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software
____________________________________________
Compress Images Easily with JPEGCompress
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com
 

From webmaster at dreamscapesoftware.com  Wed Dec 22 12:05:22 2004
From: webmaster at dreamscapesoftware.com (Derek Bump)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 11:05:22 -0600
Subject: DreamCard Review-PCPLUS
References: <200412221330.iBMDU6m8031742@xasamail.com>
Message-ID: <038501c4e848$6cf52130$dd09113f@DOWNSTAIRS>

The article is nothing more than a "traditional" programmer ripping on Revolution.  It's unfortunate when close-minded people write articles in Magazines.
 

Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software
____________________________________________
Compress Images Easily with JPEGCompress
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com

From fde101 at fjrhome.net  Wed Dec 22 12:06:36 2004
From: fde101 at fjrhome.net (Frank D. Engel, Jr.)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 12:06:36 -0500
Subject: Is the problem Micro$oft or its customers?
In-Reply-To: <41C9A63C.5010501@fourthworld.com>
References: <41C9A63C.5010501@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <D6A95B1D-543B-11D9-AF71-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>

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Why not do both?  By default use the M$-specified colors,  but provide 
an option for users to specify the color they want, overriding the 
specs provided by Microsoft?

That should keep both groups reasonably happy.

On Dec 22, 2004, at 11:52 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

>
> I've been updating WebMerge to take advantage of Rev 2.5's improved 
> support for native XP appearances -- so far not bad:
> <http://www.fourthworld.com/wincolors.jpg>
>
> As you can see in that image, WebMerge's background color is the same 
> as XP's background for the Display control panel and other UIs where a 
> tab control is behind most of the other controls.
>
> While it looks OK to me, my beta testing customers have submitted 
> reports saying the UI is "too light"; the previous version of WM used 
> the Win95 appearance with its dark, dank gray.
>
> So I have three ways to handle these reports:
>
> a) Tell them it's conformant with Micro$oft's published spec and so 
> they need to get used to it, possibly providing an email address for 
> Micro$oft's design team so they can complain directly to the source.
>
> b) Ignore Micro$oft's XP Visual Design Guidelines and use their darker 
> background color (the tan behind the tab) for the tab control itself.
>
> c) Use the Gaslight method:  Tell 'em it's actually the same but their 
> vision has changed. ;)
>
>
> I've been doing a), but as more reports come in I'm considering the 
> possibility that the enormously-well-funded-yet-still-tasteless UI 
> team at Micro$oft may have gotten it wrong; maybe that color is indeed 
> too light.
>
> So do I conform to Micro$oft and face the wrath of customers, or 
> conform to the customers and face the wrath of reviewers?
>
> -- 
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World Media Corporation
>  Developer of WebMerge: Publish any database on any Web site
>  ___________________________________________________________
>  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
>
- -----------------------------------------------------------
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$ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
$ true | cat /usr/manual | grep "John 3:16"
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten 
Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have 
everlasting life.
$
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From fde101 at fjrhome.net  Wed Dec 22 12:09:11 2004
From: fde101 at fjrhome.net (Frank D. Engel, Jr.)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 12:09:11 -0500
Subject: Internal web browser
In-Reply-To: <037901c4e846$dad5b590$dd09113f@DOWNSTAIRS>
References: <p06110416bdef44f11367@[10.0.0.3]>
	<6.1.1.1.2.20041222095311.02650e68@softseven.org>
	<037901c4e846$dad5b590$dd09113f@DOWNSTAIRS>
Message-ID: <33005228-543C-11D9-AF71-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>

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Depending on the complexity of the site:

on mouseUp
   set the htmlText of field "Web Display" to URL "http://www.google.com"
end mouseUp

With the obvious substitution.  However, Rev's fields can only handle a  
tiny subset of HTML, so it is more likely than not that your site will   
display poorly this way.  It's included with Rev though, and easy to  
work with, if your site is simple enough.

On Dec 22, 2004, at 11:54 AM, Derek Bump wrote:

>> I would like to know how to make a card that will let me have an  
>> internal
>> browser for a web site, where I want it to show my web site with the  
>> click
>> of a button.
>>
>> Can anyone help?
>
> Purchase altBrowser from RunRev.  $99.
>
> http://secure.runrev.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc? 
> Screen=PROD&Product_Code=RVSLALTUALTB&Category_Code=RVSL&Store_Code=SDR 
> EBWLP
>
>
> Derek Bump
> Dreamscape Software
> ____________________________________________
> Compress Images Easily with JPEGCompress
> http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
- -----------------------------------------------------------
Frank D. Engel, Jr.  <fde101 at fjrhome.net>

$ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
$ true | cat /usr/manual | grep "John 3:16"
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten  
Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have  
everlasting life.
$
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Dec 22 12:24:59 2004
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 09:24:59 -0800
Subject: Is the problem Micro$oft or its customers?
In-Reply-To: <D6A95B1D-543B-11D9-AF71-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>
References: <41C9A63C.5010501@fourthworld.com>
	<D6A95B1D-543B-11D9-AF71-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>
Message-ID: <41C9ADEB.5050703@fourthworld.com>

Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote:

 > On Dec 22, 2004, at 11:52 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
 >
 >> I've been updating WebMerge to take advantage of Rev 2.5's improved
 >> support for native XP appearances -- so far not bad:
 >> <http://www.fourthworld.com/wincolors.jpg>
 >>
 >> As you can see in that image, WebMerge's background color is the same
 >> as XP's background for the Display control panel and other UIs where a
 >> tab control is behind most of the other controls.
 >>
 >> While it looks OK to me, my beta testing customers have submitted
 >> reports saying the UI is "too light"; the previous version of WM used
 >> the Win95 appearance with its dark, dank gray.
...
 >> So do I conform to Micro$oft and face the wrath of customers, or
 >> conform to the customers and face the wrath of reviewers?
 >
 > Why not do both?  By default use the M$-specified colors,  but provide
 > an option for users to specify the color they want, overriding the
 > specs provided by Microsoft?
 >
 > That should keep both groups reasonably happy.

Of course! Brilliant and simple.

Thanks.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  __________________________________________________
  Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev

From SimPLsol at aol.com  Wed Dec 22 12:35:55 2004
From: SimPLsol at aol.com (SimPLsol at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 12:35:55 EST
Subject: Is the problem Micro$oft or its customers?
Message-ID: <db.1c5dfc8a.2efb0a7b@aol.com>

Richard,
     Always, always, always keep the customers happy. Accommodate reviewers 
if you can.
Paul Looney

From johnrule at rcsprogramming.com  Wed Dec 22 12:40:23 2004
From: johnrule at rcsprogramming.com (John Rule)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 09:40:23 -0800
Subject: use-revolution Digest, Vol 15, Issue 62
In-Reply-To: <20041222164418.8BC259301E5@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <200412221141781.SM01460@minipcxp>



> I would never allow myself to be embarrassed by a computer problem.

I understand your point, but maybe we would have less problems if we took
this more seriously.


> So you are saying that the graphics are always displayed as garbage? 
> Regardless of whether this Viewsonic Airsync wireless monitor is used? 
> Or is it only when you use the"Remote Desktop" Feature of this monitor? 
> Or is the Remote Desktop a part of another software?

This has to do with the RR engine displaying graphics; no other software
exhibits this behavior. If I start the stand alone first (and then remote
in), the graphics are displayed correctly. It is the 'Remote Desktop'
feature that is causing the incompatibility (the AirSync is 16 bit only).

The odd thing is, I can have the PC set to 24 bit, start my stand alone, and
then remote in (which changes the PC resolution to 800x600 16 bit) and the
graphics are displayed fine. It is when I start my stand alone from the
AirSync (I am already in my 'remote' session at 16 bit), the graphics are
garbage.

It's like RR has no idea that the environment is 16 bit...

JR


-----Original Message-----

Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 06:34:44 -0500
From: Thomas McGrath III <3mcgrath at adelphia.net>
Subject: Re: AirSync graphics issue
To: johnrule at rcsprogramming.com,	How to use Revolution
	<use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <7A4693D4-540D-11D9-A6A2-000A95DA60FA at adelphia.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed

John,

I would never allow myself to be embarrassed by a computer problem. You 
just have to be ready for weird things like this as always being a 
possibility.

So you are saying that the graphics are always displayed as garbage? 
Regardless of whether this Viewsonic Airsync wireless monitor is used? 
Or is it only when you use the"Remote Desktop" Feature of this monitor? 
Or is the Remote Desktop a part of another software?

I use remote desktop control software (Timbuktu and Apple Remote 
Desktop as well as Virtual PC with PC Anywhere) and graphics are the 
first thing to offer up problems. Good graphics are heavily dependent 
on RAM and Video cards etc. Each computer having different specs, this 
is hard to check for.

I would try and track down a couple of issues. You say that only some 
show up as garbage? Then check if they are all in the same format. If 
some are jpg and others png etc. then make them all the same format as 
the one that works. Or you can try a couple of formats with the suspect 
graphic and see if any show up ok. I would also check the graphic 
itself and maybe reduce the resolution of those graphics giving you 
problems.

Are all of them the same specs? RBG, DPI, Resolution etc?

Are some bigger than others?

Are some embedded and others referenced?

Hopefully you just overlooked one of these and can fix it.

If you still can't find a solution then is the project small enough to 
download off the web? I can look it over. I usually can find solutions 
for issues like this.


Tom

On Dec 22, 2004, at 1:21 AM, John Rule wrote:

> I have run into a very embarrassing problem with a customer.
>
> When using the remote desktop feature of the Viewsonic Airsync wireless
> monitor, most graphics in my stand-alone are displayed as garbage. This
> happens in either the IDE, stand-alone, or any version of the engine. 
> I also
> tried this with several computers, and several different graphics
> settings...same problem no matter what.
>
> All other application work fine.
>
> JR
>
--------------------------------------------


From johnrule at rcsprogramming.com  Wed Dec 22 12:48:44 2004
From: johnrule at rcsprogramming.com (John Rule)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 09:48:44 -0800
Subject: AirSync graphics issue
Message-ID: <200412221149234.SM01460@minipcxp>



-----Original Message-----
From: John Rule [mailto:johnrule at rcsprogramming.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 9:40 AM
To: 'use-revolution at lists.runrev.com'
Subject: RE: use-revolution Digest, Vol 15, Issue 62



> I would never allow myself to be embarrassed by a computer problem.

I understand your point, but maybe we would have less problems if we took
this more seriously.


> So you are saying that the graphics are always displayed as garbage? 
> Regardless of whether this Viewsonic Airsync wireless monitor is used? 
> Or is it only when you use the"Remote Desktop" Feature of this monitor? 
> Or is the Remote Desktop a part of another software?

This has to do with the RR engine displaying graphics; no other software
exhibits this behavior. If I start the stand alone first (and then remote
in), the graphics are displayed correctly. It is the 'Remote Desktop'
feature that is causing the incompatibility (the AirSync is 16 bit only).

The odd thing is, I can have the PC set to 24 bit, start my stand alone, and
then remote in (which changes the PC resolution to 800x600 16 bit) and the
graphics are displayed fine. It is when I start my stand alone from the
AirSync (I am already in my 'remote' session at 16 bit), the graphics are
garbage.

It's like RR has no idea that the environment is 16 bit...

JR


-----Original Message-----

Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 06:34:44 -0500
From: Thomas McGrath III <3mcgrath at adelphia.net>
Subject: Re: AirSync graphics issue
To: johnrule at rcsprogramming.com,	How to use Revolution
	<use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <7A4693D4-540D-11D9-A6A2-000A95DA60FA at adelphia.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed

John,

I would never allow myself to be embarrassed by a computer problem. You 
just have to be ready for weird things like this as always being a 
possibility.

So you are saying that the graphics are always displayed as garbage? 
Regardless of whether this Viewsonic Airsync wireless monitor is used? 
Or is it only when you use the"Remote Desktop" Feature of this monitor? 
Or is the Remote Desktop a part of another software?

I use remote desktop control software (Timbuktu and Apple Remote 
Desktop as well as Virtual PC with PC Anywhere) and graphics are the 
first thing to offer up problems. Good graphics are heavily dependent 
on RAM and Video cards etc. Each computer having different specs, this 
is hard to check for.

I would try and track down a couple of issues. You say that only some 
show up as garbage? Then check if they are all in the same format. If 
some are jpg and others png etc. then make them all the same format as 
the one that works. Or you can try a couple of formats with the suspect 
graphic and see if any show up ok. I would also check the graphic 
itself and maybe reduce the resolution of those graphics giving you 
problems.

Are all of them the same specs? RBG, DPI, Resolution etc?

Are some bigger than others?

Are some embedded and others referenced?

Hopefully you just overlooked one of these and can fix it.

If you still can't find a solution then is the project small enough to 
download off the web? I can look it over. I usually can find solutions 
for issues like this.


Tom

On Dec 22, 2004, at 1:21 AM, John Rule wrote:

> I have run into a very embarrassing problem with a customer.
>
> When using the remote desktop feature of the Viewsonic Airsync wireless
> monitor, most graphics in my stand-alone are displayed as garbage. This
> happens in either the IDE, stand-alone, or any version of the engine. 
> I also
> tried this with several computers, and several different graphics
> settings...same problem no matter what.
>
> All other application work fine.
>
> JR
>
--------------------------------------------


From BNZ2 at CDC.GOV  Wed Dec 22 12:50:51 2004
From: BNZ2 at CDC.GOV (Lynch, Jonathan)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 12:50:51 -0500
Subject: DreamCard Review-PCPLUS
Message-ID: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A90EC5BA@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>

I went from using Visual Basic for Applications to using RunRev
specifically because VBA is torture. Used in MS Word, it cannot do half
what RunRev can do, and RunRev is like 1000 times more intuitive.

The person who wrote this article obviously did not spend any real time
working with RunRev, or he would have a better clue.  My guess is, he
already knows VB pretty well, and so had a hard time adjusting to the
difference.

I, on the other hand, only knew a little bit of VB, and switched before
learning VB intimately. My learning curve on RunRev has been much
shorter than it was when trying to learn VB.

Also, I'd wager a week's wages that if you took an experienced RunRev
developer and an experienced VB developer and gave them the same
instructions for creating a nifty stand-alone program - the RunRev guy
would get it done in 1/3 the time.

-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Frank D.
Engel, Jr.
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 11:33 AM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: DreamCard Review-PCPLUS

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It's a Windows magazine, probably written by Windows fans.  What do 
they know?

;-)

Seriously, they are both correct, and lacking.  Rev is by far an easier 
environment to work with than Visual Studio, and personally I hate 
Microsoft stuff.  OTOH, the documentation is quite lacking from the 
perspective of learning how to use Rev (the tutorials in RevOnline are 
a nice start, but still lacking).  Additionally, there are some flaws 
in the interface design of the IDE which can be quite confusing for new 
users.

Rev is *very* nice after you know where to look for things, but 
HyperCard it is not.

On Dec 22, 2004, at 8:30 AM, webmailman wrote:

> Dreamcard2.5 slammed hard by PCPLUS!
> Rating: 4 of 10
>
> Time to wake up and smell the coffee, Revolutionaries!
>
>
> In issue 224 (Christmas 2004), Paul Hudson gives readers his insights 
> into Dreamcard 2.5. Here are a few excerpts:
>
> "An integrated development environment designed to allow 
> non-programmers to become programmers. Bizarrely designed to make even

> the simplests operations difficult beyond belief, VisualBasic.NET is 
> faster and a great deal easier to use."
>
> [Tranlsation: Non-intuitive interface is a severe handicap. VB.NET is 
> easier for beginners.]
>
>
> "If you're a non-programmer and want to stay a non-programmer, for 
> goodness sake use PowerPoint, Access, Visual Basic for Applications, 
> or some other tool you already have. If you want to become a 
> programmer, this is perhaps the finest example of how not to do 
> it--stick with Visual Studio."
>
> [Translation: For typical office and home users, use your existing MS 
> tools; they're more than adequate for most of your needs. If you want 
> to test the waters of becomming a programmer, don't waste time with 
> DreamCard; go directly to Visual Studio.]
>
>
> "The GUI looks easier than it is--full marks go to the menu bars for 
> total confusion."
>
> [Translation: What were they thinking when they came up with the 
> ridiculous tool bar system?]
>
>
> "As with other graphical IDEs, you can drag and drop components 
> directly onto your window and manipulate them visually--at this point 
> you're thinking that sounds something like VB.NET.  Sadly, that vision

> is cruelly shattered when you try to make your GUI do something. 
> Adding functionality throws you into the deep-end, grasping wildly for

> some sort of documentation to help you out. Documentation there is, 
> but it doesn't help you."
>
> [Translation: There is ducomentaion, but the design sux so bad as to 
> be next to useless.]
>
>
> "The 'programs' you make now that you're a programmer get run through 
> DreamCard Player, which is a great way to burst the bubble of 
> professionalism in just three easy steps."
>
> [If you want your presentations to look profesional, better stick with

> tried-and-true tools that you probably already know, like PowerPoint.]
>
>
> Looks like some re-think is in order...
>
>
>
>     http://www.xasamail.com/
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
>
- -----------------------------------------------------------
Frank D. Engel, Jr.  <fde101 at fjrhome.net>

$ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
$ true | cat /usr/manual | grep "John 3:16"
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten 
Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have 
everlasting life.
$
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From mpetrides at earthlink.net  Wed Dec 22 13:29:51 2004
From: mpetrides at earthlink.net (Marian Petrides)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 13:29:51 -0500
Subject: DreamCard Review-PCPLUS
In-Reply-To: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A90EC5BA@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
References: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A90EC5BA@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
Message-ID: <78114C21-5447-11D9-B215-000A959D005E@earthlink.net>

Well, which of us is going to write a rebuttal letter to the editor of 
the yellow rag that published this article? I can't compare Rev to VB, 
only to Applesoft BASIC or maybe (gag, sputter) GW BASIC.

On Dec 22, 2004, at 12:50 PM, Lynch, Jonathan wrote:

> I went from using Visual Basic for Applications to using RunRev
> specifically because VBA is torture. Used in MS Word, it cannot do half
> what RunRev can do, and RunRev is like 1000 times more intuitive.
>
> The person who wrote this article obviously did not spend any real time
> working with RunRev, or he would have a better clue.  My guess is, he
> already knows VB pretty well, and so had a hard time adjusting to the
> difference.
>
> I, on the other hand, only knew a little bit of VB, and switched before
> learning VB intimately. My learning curve on RunRev has been much
> shorter than it was when trying to learn VB.
>
> Also, I'd wager a week's wages that if you took an experienced RunRev
> developer and an experienced VB developer and gave them the same
> instructions for creating a nifty stand-alone program - the RunRev guy
> would get it done in 1/3 the time.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
> [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Frank D.
> Engel, Jr.
> Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 11:33 AM
> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: Re: DreamCard Review-PCPLUS
>
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
>
> It's a Windows magazine, probably written by Windows fans.  What do
> they know?
>
> ;-)
>
> Seriously, they are both correct, and lacking.  Rev is by far an easier
> environment to work with than Visual Studio, and personally I hate
> Microsoft stuff.  OTOH, the documentation is quite lacking from the
> perspective of learning how to use Rev (the tutorials in RevOnline are
> a nice start, but still lacking).  Additionally, there are some flaws
> in the interface design of the IDE which can be quite confusing for new
> users.
>
> Rev is *very* nice after you know where to look for things, but
> HyperCard it is not.
>
> On Dec 22, 2004, at 8:30 AM, webmailman wrote:
>
>> Dreamcard2.5 slammed hard by PCPLUS!
>> Rating: 4 of 10
>>
>> Time to wake up and smell the coffee, Revolutionaries!
>>
>>
>> In issue 224 (Christmas 2004), Paul Hudson gives readers his insights
>> into Dreamcard 2.5. Here are a few excerpts:
>>
>> "An integrated development environment designed to allow
>> non-programmers to become programmers. Bizarrely designed to make even
>
>> the simplests operations difficult beyond belief, VisualBasic.NET is
>> faster and a great deal easier to use."
>>
>> [Tranlsation: Non-intuitive interface is a severe handicap. VB.NET is
>> easier for beginners.]
>>
>>
>> "If you're a non-programmer and want to stay a non-programmer, for
>> goodness sake use PowerPoint, Access, Visual Basic for Applications,
>> or some other tool you already have. If you want to become a
>> programmer, this is perhaps the finest example of how not to do
>> it--stick with Visual Studio."
>>
>> [Translation: For typical office and home users, use your existing MS
>> tools; they're more than adequate for most of your needs. If you want
>> to test the waters of becomming a programmer, don't waste time with
>> DreamCard; go directly to Visual Studio.]
>>
>>
>> "The GUI looks easier than it is--full marks go to the menu bars for
>> total confusion."
>>
>> [Translation: What were they thinking when they came up with the
>> ridiculous tool bar system?]
>>
>>
>> "As with other graphical IDEs, you can drag and drop components
>> directly onto your window and manipulate them visually--at this point
>> you're thinking that sounds something like VB.NET.  Sadly, that vision
>
>> is cruelly shattered when you try to make your GUI do something.
>> Adding functionality throws you into the deep-end, grasping wildly for
>
>> some sort of documentation to help you out. Documentation there is,
>> but it doesn't help you."
>>
>> [Translation: There is ducomentaion, but the design sux so bad as to
>> be next to useless.]
>>
>>
>> "The 'programs' you make now that you're a programmer get run through
>> DreamCard Player, which is a great way to burst the bubble of
>> professionalism in just three easy steps."
>>
>> [If you want your presentations to look profesional, better stick with
>
>> tried-and-true tools that you probably already know, like PowerPoint.]
>>
>>
>> Looks like some re-think is in order...
>>
>>
>>
>>     http://www.xasamail.com/
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>>
>>
> - -----------------------------------------------------------
> Frank D. Engel, Jr.  <fde101 at fjrhome.net>
>
> $ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
> $ true | cat /usr/manual | grep "John 3:16"
> John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten
> Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have
> everlasting life.
> $
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From rletson at hawaii.rr.com  Sat Dec  4 02:43:10 2004
From: rletson at hawaii.rr.com (rletson)
Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 07:43:10 -0000
Subject: Viewing the video tutorials
Message-ID: <KJEOICOEDDLDJLEFAEFAMEHMCAAA.rletson@hawaii.rr.com>

What gives, it seemed to load, but nothing happens when you click on the
training windows????


From squance at elkvalley.net  Mon Dec  6 14:27:19 2004
From: squance at elkvalley.net (David Squance)
Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 19:27:19 -0000
Subject: RevOnLine
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.8.2.20041206092259.00c1e718@alf.uib.no>
References: <5.2.0.8.2.20041206092259.00c1e718@alf.uib.no>
Message-ID: <f06200701bdda63e319b0@[192.168.1.100]>

Unfortunately, it appears RevOnline is restricted to those with 2.5 
which I can't afford, so your user name is of no use to me.  Thanks, 
anyhow.
Dave

>Hello again,
>
>David Squance just made me aware of the fact that I had forgotten to 
>mention my user name: sms (which is my initials), under which you'll 
>find the two small stacks. Another way to access them is Browse by 
>category... and you'll find them under Programming and Utilities. 
>Actually, I did not understand the difference between these two and 
>have managed to put one under each. (SaveStackInStack is under 
>Programming.)
>
>Regards
>Signe Marie Sanne

From drothe at optusnet.com.au  Mon Dec  6 23:53:23 2004
From: drothe at optusnet.com.au (D.Rothe)
Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 04:53:23 -0000
Subject: A little help needed please ;?(
Message-ID: <000901c4dc19$49ae9d90$01f6a4cb@p4c2ghz>

Hi, I am playing with a small program for storing friends contact info. I am using a data.txt file delimited by "|" for saving info to.
The problem I have hit is HOW TO DELETE THE SELECTED CONTACT from the txt file properly?
I am trying to delete the selected info from the txt file via another stack. I can delete the selected line no probs but thats it.
The best way to understand is to see an example. I have attached the stack(s) and data.txt file for you to see.

Any help would be much appreciated, Thanx in advance...

Best Regards D.Rothe


-------------- next part --------------
Joe Bloggs|3456 7890|0400 123 457|jblogss at bogusnet.com|Notes
John Doe|4567 7890|0401 234 789|johnd at oneeye.com|Notes
Jane Bloggs|5678 7890|0302 383 814|jane at noemail.com|Notes
Jenny Doe|6789 7890|0401 563 718|jenz at limbo.com|Notes

From PatGeorgeA at aol.com  Tue Dec  7 11:36:25 2004
From: PatGeorgeA at aol.com (PatGeorgeA at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 16:36:25 -0000
Subject: help with screen resolution problems
Message-ID: <1a8.2cb5693c.2ee73724@aol.com>

Hi,
I have been developing software for testing in schools - built as a windows 
standalone.  The program is made for a 1024 x 768 screen size (the card filling 
about 2/3rds of the screen with a backdrop) - the stack is quite complex, it 
contains lots script, lots of cards, each with different fonts, buttons and 
fields.  

Some of the computers we wanted to use are networked and set to a screen 
resolution of 800 x 600.   Can anyone suggest a good solution to this?  The 
easiest solution would be to change the resolution of the host computers during 
testing - at the end change it back.  Would this be an okay thing to do and does 
anyone have a script that would allow me to do this?   An alternative solution 
would be to change everything on the stack?  Is this solution the best and is 
there any easy way to do this? 

I would be very grateful for any help.
thanks,
Patricia George

From eric.chatonet at wanadoo.fr  Thu Dec 16 05:44:24 2004
From: eric.chatonet at wanadoo.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=C9ric_Chatonet?=)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 11:44:24 +0100
Subject: Disabled submenu items on Win XP
In-Reply-To: <20041216083153.25BE39300CE@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20041216083153.25BE39300CE@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <737B3F46-4F4F-11D9-BCE2-0003930A9F94@wanadoo.fr>

Hi all,

Some weeks ago, I asked for a question about disabled menu items but I 
probably was not clear enough and I got no answer.
So:
Imagine a menu with submenus.
For somes reasons depending on the context, the first item in a submenu 
has to be disabled but the following ones in the submenu are enabled.
On Mac OS, there is no problem: so long you are in the menu area, 
flying over enabled or disabled menu items makes no difference and the 
menu stays.
On Windows, if the first submenu item is disabled, you cant catch the 
following enabled submenu items: the menu vanishes :-(
Is that correct behavior according to some guide lines I dont know on 
Windows or is it a kind (...) of bug ?
Any clue would be appreciated,
Thanks,

Amicalement,

?ric Chatonet
24, Boulevard de Port-Royal
75005 Paris

Fixe :		33 1 43 31 77 62
Mobile :		33 6 20 74 50 89





Amicalement,

-------------- next part --------------


?ric Chatonet
24, Boulevard de Port-Royal
75005 Paris

Fixe :		33 1 43 31 77 62
Mobile :		33 6 20 74 50 89


From dougsamu at golden.net  Sat Dec 18 13:28:34 2004
From: dougsamu at golden.net (doug rogers)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 13:28:34 -0500
Subject: chasing the -1701 ae error
Message-ID: <A09E41E4-5122-11D9-93BE-0003938CD4F4@golden.net>

      	executing at 1:24:38 PM
Type	Handler: can't find handler
Object	Button
Line	revMacFromUnixPath(it,convertOSX)
Hint	revMacFromUnixPath

Thinking that I am not sending the file path correctly, I am trying 
this Rev function. So Rev can't find a built in function ? huh? What's 
up?

  There is a crack in everything. That's how the light gets in.
__________<http://home.golden.net/~samu>__________


From ps1 at softseven.org  Wed Dec 22 13:48:37 2004
From: ps1 at softseven.org (Paul Salyers)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 12:48:37 -0600
Subject: DreamCard Review-PCPLUS
In-Reply-To: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A90EC5BA@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov
 >
References: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A90EC5BA@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
Message-ID: <6.1.1.1.2.20041222124419.025a5e18@softseven.org>



I'm a formal VB user and will most likely switch to Revolution. The main 
problem I'm having is to make a program web interactive it will cost 
another $79. I wish Revolution would make a web page object like VB has. 
Oh-well so far all else is better. I like the more English commands here.


Paul Salyers
PS1 - Senior Rep.
PS1 at softseven.org 


From mpetrides at earthlink.net  Wed Dec 22 13:57:41 2004
From: mpetrides at earthlink.net (Marian Petrides)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 13:57:41 -0500
Subject: DreamCard Review-PCPLUS
In-Reply-To: <6.1.1.1.2.20041222124419.025a5e18@softseven.org>
References: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A90EC5BA@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
	<6.1.1.1.2.20041222124419.025a5e18@softseven.org>
Message-ID: <5B68D18C-544B-11D9-B215-000A959D005E@earthlink.net>

Paul Salyers said:

 >>>> to make a program web interactive it will cost another $79

Please explain. What $79 are you talking about?

And how does one make a Rev app web interactive? The last time I tried 
to do this, the only way it worked was if the app got downloaded to the 
user's HD which makes large apps prohibitive for web deployment.  I 
admit, there may well be something I missed since I am less than saavy 
when it comes to development of apps for the Web. Am I missing 
something?

Marian




On Dec 22, 2004, at 1:48 PM, Paul Salyers wrote:

>
>
> I'm a formal VB user and will most likely switch to Revolution. The 
> main problem I'm having is to make a program web interactive it will 
> cost another $79. I wish Revolution would make a web page object like 
> VB has. Oh-well so far all else is better. I like the more English 
> commands here.
>


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Dec 22 14:00:18 2004
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 11:00:18 -0800
Subject: AirSync graphics issue
In-Reply-To: <200412221149234.SM01460@minipcxp>
References: <200412221149234.SM01460@minipcxp>
Message-ID: <41C9C442.20706@fourthworld.com>

John Rule wrote:
>>So you are saying that the graphics are always displayed as garbage? 
>>Regardless of whether this Viewsonic Airsync wireless monitor is used? 
>>Or is it only when you use the"Remote Desktop" Feature of this monitor? 
>>Or is the Remote Desktop a part of another software?
>
> This has to do with the RR engine displaying graphics; no other software
> exhibits this behavior. If I start the stand alone first (and then remote
> in), the graphics are displayed correctly. It is the 'Remote Desktop'
> feature that is causing the incompatibility (the AirSync is 16 bit only).
> 
> The odd thing is, I can have the PC set to 24 bit, start my stand alone, and
> then remote in (which changes the PC resolution to 800x600 16 bit) and the
> graphics are displayed fine. It is when I start my stand alone from the
> AirSync (I am already in my 'remote' session at 16 bit), the graphics are
> garbage.
> 
> It's like RR has no idea that the environment is 16 bit...

Good diagnostics.  Looks like you're on your way to resolving it.

The first thing I would check is to make sure that the system has the 
very latest driver for that display installed.

I used to find myself embarassed by the engine when things like this 
happened, esp. when faced with customer comments like "But all my other 
apps work!".  I haven't had display issues in a while, but I went 
through a rough patch with certain video cards on some PC laptops a 
while back.

Back then the engine was still called "MetaCard", and when I wrote to 
MetaCard Corp's Scott Raney I was in a panic mode and perhaps a bit 
crass with him.  Nonetheless, he remained calm and confident and told me 
to update the video drivers and get back to him if the problem persisted.

It rarely did (only once or twice if memory serves, and those were fixed 
by also turning off hardware accelleration, which is raely useful for 
anything but games anyway).

Scott was so confident about these display issues he put this somewhat 
bold statement in MetaCard's Read Me:

    MetaCard is very good at exposing bugs in the drivers for graphics
    cards.  These problems seem to be most frequent in Windows 98, but
    can plague any Windows system.  The most common symptom are images
    or cursors that draw in the wrong colors or with the mask and data
    reversed, and bits of windows left on the screen when they are
    closed or moved.  Be sure you have the latest drivers from the
    vendor of your graphics card.  If the problem still exists with
    those, try turning acceleration to its lowest level.  If that
    doesn't fix the problem (or even if it does), please report this
    bug to the vendor of your graphics card.

Customers would gripe at me up and down when I told them to first make 
sure their drivers were up to date (often reiterating "But all my other 
apps work!", only more angrily), and I'd sometimes help them out by 
finding the update and emailing it to them.

But sho 'nuff, in 95% of the cases the problem went away, and turning 
off hardware accelleration took care of the rest.  Today, to the best of 
my knowledge all of my Rev-based apps are running well on 100% of 
systems they've been installed on.

It takes some cajones to say that the engine is "very good at exposing 
bugs in the drivers for graphics cards", but damned if it isn't true. 
And it's logical enough, even if other apps don't trip over the same 
wires*:  specs for Windows drivers are a bizarre hodge-podge from 
multiple vendors, and display manufacturers are always testing and 
revising their drivers constantly (the good ones, anyway).

Taking advantage of the display manufacturer's ongoing bug-fix efforts 
is a great first step.

If that doesn't do it, try turning off hardware accelleration.

If yours is the rare case not solved by those two, drop a note to 
support at runrev.com with as much info as you can gather, and chances are 
Tuviah will be able to address it one way or another.  You'll probably 
want to cc the display manufacturer, since it's just as likely the issue 
is on their side.

Keep us posted with what happens.  I love a good bug-solving mystery. :)



* Side note about "All my other apps work great!":  exclude all 
Micro$oft apps from such comparisons.  I believe the decades' old rumors 
of Micro$oft using undocumented APIs in their own apps were confirmed in 
some of the two-dozen anti-trust lawsuits against them worldwide in the 
last few years.  Whether illegal or merely annoying, since it appears 
Micro$oft writes their apps differently from how they tell other 
developers to do so they make for an unscientific comparison, useless 
for real-world diagnostics.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  __________________________________________________
  Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev

From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Dec 22 14:14:50 2004
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 11:14:50 -0800
Subject: help with screen resolution problems
In-Reply-To: <1a8.2cb5693c.2ee73724@aol.com>
References: <1a8.2cb5693c.2ee73724@aol.com>
Message-ID: <41C9C7AA.70101@fourthworld.com>

PatGeorgeA at aol.com wrote:
> Hi,
> I have been developing software for testing in schools - built as a windows 
> standalone.  The program is made for a 1024 x 768 screen size (the card filling 
> about 2/3rds of the screen with a backdrop) - the stack is quite complex, it 
> contains lots script, lots of cards, each with different fonts, buttons and 
> fields.  
> 
> Some of the computers we wanted to use are networked and set to a screen 
> resolution of 800 x 600.   Can anyone suggest a good solution to this?

If it's not too late in the development cycle I would find a way to 
accommodate 800x600 natively in the program.

Even as late as Oct. 2004, roughly a third of all active systems are 
running 800x600:
<http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp>
More:
<http://www.google.com/search?q=screen+resolution+stats>

That percentage is said to be much higher in edu markets, where machines 
tend to be upgraded on a slower cycle.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  __________________________________________________
  Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev

From fde101 at fjrhome.net  Wed Dec 22 14:15:41 2004
From: fde101 at fjrhome.net (Frank D. Engel, Jr.)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 14:15:41 -0500
Subject: RevOnLine
In-Reply-To: <f06200701bdda63e319b0@[192.168.1.100]>
References: <5.2.0.8.2.20041206092259.00c1e718@alf.uib.no>
	<f06200701bdda63e319b0@[192.168.1.100]>
Message-ID: <DED90A82-544D-11D9-AF71-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

Download the Dreamcard player from Rev's web site.  It's free, and you 
can use it to access RevOnline, including user spaces.

On Dec 6, 2004, at 2:32 PM, David Squance wrote:

> Unfortunately, it appears RevOnline is restricted to those with 2.5 
> which I can't afford, so your user name is of no use to me.  Thanks, 
> anyhow.
> Dave
>
>> Hello again,
>>
>> David Squance just made me aware of the fact that I had forgotten to 
>> mention my user name: sms (which is my initials), under which you'll 
>> find the two small stacks. Another way to access them is Browse by 
>> category... and you'll find them under Programming and Utilities. 
>> Actually, I did not understand the difference between these two and 
>> have managed to put one under each. (SaveStackInStack is under 
>> Programming.)
>>
>> Regards
>> Signe Marie Sanne
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
>
- -----------------------------------------------------------
Frank D. Engel, Jr.  <fde101 at fjrhome.net>

$ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
$ true | cat /usr/manual | grep "John 3:16"
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten 
Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have 
everlasting life.
$
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Dec 22 14:21:24 2004
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 11:21:24 -0800
Subject: A little help needed please ;?(
In-Reply-To: <000901c4dc19$49ae9d90$01f6a4cb@p4c2ghz>
References: <000901c4dc19$49ae9d90$01f6a4cb@p4c2ghz>
Message-ID: <41C9C934.2070602@fourthworld.com>

D.Rothe wrote:
> Hi, I am playing with a small program for storing friends contact info. I am using a data.txt file delimited by "|" for saving info to.
> The problem I have hit is HOW TO DELETE THE SELECTED CONTACT from the txt file properly?
> I am trying to delete the selected info from the txt file via another stack. I can delete the selected line no probs but thats it.
> The best way to understand is to see an example. I have attached the stack(s) and data.txt file for you to see.

For bandwidth considerations, attachments are stripped from submissions 
to this list before forwarding to list members.  There are a lot of 
people here with a wide variety of connection speeds and billing plans, 
so in general it's considered good practice to only include a URL to a 
file in a list posting, so those who have the time and interest can 
download it leaving the others free not to.

When you read the file you can replace "|" with tab in the data set, and 
then putting it into a field will give you nice columns automatically if 
you set the vGrid of the field to true.

To delete a line you could have something like this in a "Delete" button:

on mouseUp
   --
   -- Allow user to cancel:
   put the hilitedLine of fld "List" into tLine
   answer "Delete line "&tLine&"?" with "Delete" or "Cancel"
   if it is "Cancel" then exit to top
   --
   -- Delete the line:
   delete line tLine of fld "List"
   --
   -- save to disk:
   get fld "Disk"
   replace tab with "|" in it
   put it into url ("file:/folder/data.txt")
end mouseUp

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  __________________________________________________
  Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev

From fde101 at fjrhome.net  Wed Dec 22 14:18:11 2004
From: fde101 at fjrhome.net (Frank D. Engel, Jr.)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 14:18:11 -0500
Subject: A little help needed please ;?(
In-Reply-To: <000901c4dc19$49ae9d90$01f6a4cb@p4c2ghz>
References: <000901c4dc19$49ae9d90$01f6a4cb@p4c2ghz>
Message-ID: <383EF2D0-544E-11D9-AF71-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>

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Hash: SHA1

Is the entire file read in to the stack, and then rewritten?  If so, 
just figure out the line number you wish to delete and try this:

delete line lineNumber of fileContents


So in other words:

put URL "file:/Users/Me/datafile.txt" into fileContents
delete line lineNumber of fileContents
put fileContents into URL "file:/Users/Me/datafile.txt"


On Dec 6, 2004, at 11:57 PM, D.Rothe wrote:

> Hi, I am playing with a small program for storing friends contact 
> info. I am using a data.txt file delimited by "|" for saving info to.
> The problem I have hit is HOW TO DELETE THE SELECTED CONTACT from the 
> txt file properly?
> I am trying to delete the selected info from the txt file via another 
> stack. I can delete the selected line no probs but thats it.
> The best way to understand is to see an example. I have attached the 
> stack(s) and data.txt file for you to see.
>
> Any help would be much appreciated, Thanx in advance...
>
> Best Regards D.Rothe
>
>
> <data.txt>_______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
- -----------------------------------------------------------
Frank D. Engel, Jr.  <fde101 at fjrhome.net>

$ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
$ true | cat /usr/manual | grep "John 3:16"
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten 
Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have 
everlasting life.
$
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From fde101 at fjrhome.net  Wed Dec 22 14:21:37 2004
From: fde101 at fjrhome.net (Frank D. Engel, Jr.)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 14:21:37 -0500
Subject: chasing the -1701 ae error
In-Reply-To: <A09E41E4-5122-11D9-93BE-0003938CD4F4@golden.net>
References: <A09E41E4-5122-11D9-93BE-0003938CD4F4@golden.net>
Message-ID: <B30B79F1-544E-11D9-AF71-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>

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Hash: SHA1

You pass the value "convertOSX", is this either true or false, as per 
the docs?

On Dec 18, 2004, at 1:28 PM, doug rogers wrote:

>      	executing at 1:24:38 PM
> Type	Handler: can't find handler
> Object	Button
> Line	revMacFromUnixPath(it,convertOSX)
> Hint	revMacFromUnixPath
>
> Thinking that I am not sending the file path correctly, I am trying 
> this Rev function. So Rev can't find a built in function ? huh? What's 
> up?
>
>  There is a crack in everything. That's how the light gets in.
> __________<http://home.golden.net/~samu>__________
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
>
- -----------------------------------------------------------
Frank D. Engel, Jr.  <fde101 at fjrhome.net>

$ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
$ true | cat /usr/manual | grep "John 3:16"
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten 
Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have 
everlasting life.
$
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From dsc at swcp.com  Wed Dec 22 14:42:48 2004
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 12:42:48 -0700
Subject: Umlaut on a consonant letter
In-Reply-To: <41C99F19.3020905@roman.uib.no>
References: <41C99F19.3020905@roman.uib.no>
Message-ID: <A8916A28-5451-11D9-95E4-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>


On Dec 22, 2004, at 9:21 AM, Signe Marie Sanne wrote:

> I'm going to develop a language learning course in the Indian dialect 
> Boruca (used in Costa Rica). In their written language they use an 
> umlaut on top of the letter n. Any clues to how to generate this 
> letter either in Word or in Revolution?

On OS X I tried using Unicode in Revolution by putting the combining 
diaeresis (0308) after an n.  The font was Lucinda Grande.  It didn't 
render as I expected; I only saw the n.  (It didn't even work after a 
u.)  I selected all, and copied the text, and then pasted it into 
TextEdit.  It rendered just fine.  Maybe there is a problem or 
limitation with the Revolution rendering.

You can use the imageSource property in Revolution once you have your 
Boruca editor field set up.

Or you might find the combination in some font and use that font, maybe 
just for that letter.

In Word, you might try overstrike in the equation editor.

(BTW, on and off I have a light interest in Ngobere, the language of 
the Guayme.)

After seeing my puny responses, others might have better ideas.

Dar

**********************************************
     DSC (Dar Scott Consulting & Dar's Lab)
     http://www.swcp.com/dsc/
     Programming Services and Software
**********************************************


From docmann at gmail.com  Wed Dec 22 14:46:55 2004
From: docmann at gmail.com (docmann)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 13:46:55 -0600
Subject: Viewing the video tutorials
In-Reply-To: <KJEOICOEDDLDJLEFAEFAMEHMCAAA.rletson@hawaii.rr.com>
References: <KJEOICOEDDLDJLEFAEFAMEHMCAAA.rletson@hawaii.rr.com>
Message-ID: <9d58de7d04122211464a32244e@mail.gmail.com>

Once the video has finished downloading a new screen should appear
showing a "Play" button, which in turn will launch your default AVI
player.

Works quite well on my end at least. :)

HTH,
-Doc-


On Fri, 3 Dec 2004 21:48:01 -1000, rletson <rletson at hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
> What gives, it seemed to load, but nothing happens when you click on the
> training windows????
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>

From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Dec 22 15:10:21 2004
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 12:10:21 -0800
Subject: Internal web browser
In-Reply-To: <33005228-543C-11D9-AF71-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>
References: <p06110416bdef44f11367@[10.0.0.3]>
	<6.1.1.1.2.20041222095311.02650e68@softseven.org>
	<037901c4e846$dad5b590$dd09113f@DOWNSTAIRS>
	<33005228-543C-11D9-AF71-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>
Message-ID: <41C9D4AD.8080904@fourthworld.com>

Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote:
> On Dec 22, 2004, at 11:54 AM, Derek Bump wrote:
>
>>> I would like to know how to make a card that will let me have an
>>> internal browser for a web site, where I want it to show my web
>>> site with the click of a button.
>>
>> Purchase altBrowser from RunRev.  $99.
>
> Depending on the complexity of the site:
>
> on mouseUp
>   set the htmlText of field "Web Display" to \
>      URL "http://www.google.com"
> end mouseUp
>
> With the obvious substitution.  However, Rev's fields can only handle
> a tiny subset of HTML, so it is more likely than not that your site
> will display poorly this way.  It's included with Rev though, and easy
> to work with, if your site is simple enough.

For choosing the best option it may be helpful to refine the question:
  does your app need to provide access to Web pages specifically, or is
the goal to provide content to your customers.

If you're looking for a true browser object you can't beat Altuit's
altBrowser.  It's very reasonably priced, you can go anywhere on the web
and have it render nicely, and you get Altuit's excellent support when
needed.

But if the goal is to deliver content to your installed base, keep in
mind that those customers are a specialized subset of the general public
who would visit your site, giving you an opportunity to deliver content
aimed at such an audience while also delivering portions of pages from
your public web site.

I'm in the process of adding a variant of RevNet (see GoRevNet in your
Development->Plugins menu) to all of my apps, under the name
"InfoCenter". Like RevNet, it lets me keep that stack on the server
where I can update it at any time, and also like RevNet it can pull
pages from my web site and display only the relevant portion within its
window.

RevNet pulls data from many sources as needed on the fly.  One of those
is the list of Rev sites I maintain at
<http://www.fourthworld.com/rev/links.html>.  If you look at the source
for that page you'll find HTML comments "<!--4W_CONTENT_START-->" and
"<!--4W_CONTENT_END-->" surrounding the main portion of the page.

When you go to the "Links" card in RevNet, it downloads the HTML from
that URL, parses out the content between those comments, and sticks
that into a field as htmlText.  We do a similar thing with Ken Ray's
Tips and Tricks archive index on RevNet's "Tips" card (that one's a bit
more complex given the hierarchical nature of the data -- thank you Ken
for taking the time to write that parser for RevNet).

In the InfoCenter window I'm adding to my consumer apps we'll do the
same thing, so I can provide public content to those users without
replicating the effort -- we post once to the web, and it also shows up
in our InfoCenter instantly with no additional effort.

But the advantage of InfoCenter is that we can also provide content for
that specific audience, like special upgrade offers, support options, etc.

And because we have Transcript driving that content, we can also check
for updates and provide options for automatically downloading the latest
version when new ones becomes available.

And like RevNet the InfoCenter provides feedback forms for support
requests and bug reports.  Those forms are separate stackfiles on my
server so they only get downloaded as needed, keeping the main window
download as small as possible.

With Transcript's systemVersion, screenRect, qtVersion, and other such
functions we can have a system profile automatically included with those
submissions -- try getting reliable system info from users in email and
you'll appreciate this tremendously. ;)  We get better information from
customers, and they get a more convenient experience than dealing with a
separate email app. (see the Gestalt utility stack in RevNet for an
example of how to grab system info).

If you go this route and build something like an InfoCenter, here's a
productivity tip:  do yourself the favor of taking a moment to craft a
simple palette that can upload your latest copy to your server in one
click.  Investing a few minutes to set that up will pay for itself mny
times over, since you'll no longer need to go to your FTP client,
navigate to the right folder, and copy it by hand.  Best of all, with
Rev's libURL it's only one line:

   libUrlFtpUploadFile "/disk/infocenter.rev", \
    "ftp://user:password at ftp.domain.com/stacks/infocenter.rev"

The ease will encourage you to update it often, and regular updates will
keep your customers coming back to that window for more of your
marketing messages.  Your current customer is your most highly-qualified
prospect, and if catered to will also be your sales assistant.  It
almost always pays off to find ways to deliver custom content tailored
specifically for them.  An InfoCenter lets you maintain the post-sale
dialog with the customer more conveniently for both of you than more
intrusive options like email newsletters -- and with AOL-like rich-media
content, all from within your app, and all in native Transcript.

And if you add Altuit's browser control to the mix you can have it all. :)

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  __________________________________________________
  Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev


From BNZ2 at CDC.GOV  Wed Dec 22 15:07:04 2004
From: BNZ2 at CDC.GOV (Lynch, Jonathan)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 15:07:04 -0500
Subject: Umlaut on a consonant letter
Message-ID: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A9469E5A@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>

I have a stack I use to figure out Unicode numbers for various symbols -
the one thing I found was that any use of Unicode in a field really
requires that the whole field be in Unicode. Otherwise, it gets
confused. Have others found this?

-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Dar Scott
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 2:43 PM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: Umlaut on a consonant letter


On Dec 22, 2004, at 9:21 AM, Signe Marie Sanne wrote:

> I'm going to develop a language learning course in the Indian dialect 
> Boruca (used in Costa Rica). In their written language they use an 
> umlaut on top of the letter n. Any clues to how to generate this 
> letter either in Word or in Revolution?

On OS X I tried using Unicode in Revolution by putting the combining 
diaeresis (0308) after an n.  The font was Lucinda Grande.  It didn't 
render as I expected; I only saw the n.  (It didn't even work after a 
u.)  I selected all, and copied the text, and then pasted it into 
TextEdit.  It rendered just fine.  Maybe there is a problem or 
limitation with the Revolution rendering.

You can use the imageSource property in Revolution once you have your 
Boruca editor field set up.

Or you might find the combination in some font and use that font, maybe 
just for that letter.

In Word, you might try overstrike in the equation editor.

(BTW, on and off I have a light interest in Ngobere, the language of 
the Guayme.)

After seeing my puny responses, others might have better ideas.

Dar

**********************************************
     DSC (Dar Scott Consulting & Dar's Lab)
     http://www.swcp.com/dsc/
     Programming Services and Software
**********************************************

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From webmaster at dreamscapesoftware.com  Wed Dec 22 15:24:13 2004
From: webmaster at dreamscapesoftware.com (Derek Bump)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 14:24:13 -0600
Subject: DreamCard Review-PCPLUS
References: 	<64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A90EC5BA@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov><6.1.1.1.2.20041222124419.025a5e18@softseven.org>
	<5B68D18C-544B-11D9-B215-000A959D005E@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <03d801c4e864$345e1090$dd09113f@DOWNSTAIRS>

> >>>> to make a program web interactive it will cost another $79
> 
> Please explain. What $79 are you talking about?

I have a feeling he means the $79 combo of altBrowser and MagicCarpet.  I really wish that altBrowser would be built into Rev, but with users (like me) who will pay for it, then it's in Rev's best interest to keep it a seperate product.
 

Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software
____________________________________________
Compress Images Easily with JPEGCompress
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com
 

From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Dec 22 15:29:05 2004
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 14:29:05 -0600
Subject: Viewing the video tutorials
In-Reply-To: <KJEOICOEDDLDJLEFAEFAMEHMCAAA.rletson@hawaii.rr.com>
References: <KJEOICOEDDLDJLEFAEFAMEHMCAAA.rletson@hawaii.rr.com>
Message-ID: <41C9D911.9000708@hyperactivesw.com>

On 12/4/04 1:48 AM, rletson wrote:

> What gives, it seemed to load, but nothing happens when you click on the
> training windows????

Did you allow the Ensharpen codec to be installed when you first started 
up Revolution?

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com

From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Dec 22 15:32:18 2004
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 12:32:18 -0800
Subject: Viewing the video tutorials
In-Reply-To: <41C9D911.9000708@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <KJEOICOEDDLDJLEFAEFAMEHMCAAA.rletson@hawaii.rr.com>
	<41C9D911.9000708@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <41C9D9D2.9090601@fourthworld.com>

J. Landman Gay wrote:
> On 12/4/04 1:48 AM, rletson wrote:
> 
>> What gives, it seemed to load, but nothing happens when you click on the
>> training windows????
>
> Did you allow the Ensharpen codec to be installed when you first started 
> up Revolution?
> 

Ensharpen's cool, but since it currently has a small installed base I 
wonder if it might make sense to upload a second copy of the videos in a 
codec that's been serving the rest of the world well for years, perhaps 
Sorensen.

I think there's a way to check the compressors available, so it should't 
be too hard to determine whether Ensharpen's installed and switch the 
download path accordingly.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  __________________________________________________
  Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev

From dsc at swcp.com  Wed Dec 22 15:38:18 2004
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 13:38:18 -0700
Subject: Umlaut on a consonant letter
In-Reply-To: <A8916A28-5451-11D9-95E4-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
References: <41C99F19.3020905@roman.uib.no>
	<A8916A28-5451-11D9-95E4-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <6954E200-5459-11D9-95E4-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>


On Dec 22, 2004, at 12:42 PM, Dar Scott wrote:

> On OS X I tried using Unicode in Revolution by putting the combining 
> diaeresis (0308) after an n.  The font was Lucinda Grande.  It didn't 
> render as I expected; I only saw the n.

Here is a way to get Revolution to render correctly:

   set the htmlText of field "field" to \
    format("<p><font face=\"Lucida Grande\" 
lang=\"ja\">&#110;&#776;</font></p>")

Revolution tries to split the combining character from the n when 
unicodeText is set.  (I would guess this is a bug.  Revolution seems to 
confuse Unicode and Japanese.  Wanna submit it?)  The above method 
forces them to stay together.

Use this in your special key handler of your Boruca edit field:
   set the htmlText of field "field" to the htmlText of field "field" &\
    format("<font face=\"Lucida Grande\" 
lang=\"ja\">&#110;&#776;<//font>")

This will add the character to the end of the field.  You might have to 
fiddle with that.

Dar
**********************************************
     DSC (Dar Scott Consulting & Dar's Lab)
     http://www.swcp.com/dsc/
     Programming Services and Software
**********************************************


From BNZ2 at CDC.GOV  Wed Dec 22 15:27:56 2004
From: BNZ2 at CDC.GOV (Lynch, Jonathan)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 15:27:56 -0500
Subject: 3D Rev Cards...
Message-ID: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A90EC5BB@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>

Would 3D Rev Cards/stacks be possible?

That is, all objects in 3-D, the card possessing X,Y,Z dimensions, and
some sort of intuitive means of navigating within the card, including
the ability to change perspective in all the ways that a person change
the direction in which the look.

The files would not necessarily have to be all that much larger,
depending on the nature of the 3-D objects involved.

If you think about it, a stack is already a 3-D object, if it has
multiple cards. What would it take to expand that so that it feels 3-D
to the user?

From dsc at swcp.com  Wed Dec 22 15:57:24 2004
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 13:57:24 -0700
Subject: Umlaut on a consonant letter
In-Reply-To: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A9469E5A@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
References: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A9469E5A@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
Message-ID: <149A0FCA-545C-11D9-95E4-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>


On Dec 22, 2004, at 1:07 PM, Lynch, Jonathan wrote:

> I have a stack I use to figure out Unicode numbers for various symbols 
> -
> the one thing I found was that any use of Unicode in a field really
> requires that the whole field be in Unicode. Otherwise, it gets
> confused. Have others found this?

I was just about to send a comment on this.

I noticed that if textFont of the field is set to "Lucida 
Grande,Japanese", the unicode method I tried works.

It seems that otherwise, Revolution tries to separate the n from the 
combining character and put it outside of unicode.

It is weird using "Japanese" as the language for the font.

This now works:

on mouseUp
   set useUnicode to true
   set the textFont of field "field" to "Lucida Grande,Japanese"
   set the unicodeText of field "field" to numToChar(110) & 
numToChar(776)
   put the htmlText of field "field"
end mouseUp

Dar
**********************************************
     DSC (Dar Scott Consulting & Dar's Lab)
     http://www.swcp.com/dsc/
     Programming Services and Software
**********************************************


From toeloop at swissonline.ch  Wed Dec 22 15:59:14 2004
From: toeloop at swissonline.ch (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Thomas_B=E4hler?=)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 21:59:14 +0100
Subject: Can't build a standalone
Message-ID: <56226300-545C-11D9-AB70-00306555CAAA@swissonline.ch>

n'Abend Malte

 > ...Was your stack Password protected?

I checked if the stack was password protected: it was not. To be sure, 
I typed
"set the password of this stack to empty" and tried again building a 
standalone
with "Search for required inclusions..." but the result was the same as 
before:
  "There was an error while saving the standalone application".
With the option "Select inclusions for standalone application" there's 
no problem.

By searching for clues I stumbled over a userprop named "revstack" in 
my stack
The "revstack" was set to "false". I changed it to "true" and couldn't 
see any difference. Even
after deleting this userprop nothing changed. I don't know where it 
came from or
what it was meant to be ?

Cheers
Thomas




From speitel at hawaii.edu  Wed Dec 22 16:10:54 2004
From: speitel at hawaii.edu (Thomas Speitel)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 11:10:54 -1000
Subject: External to run dc camera and deck?
In-Reply-To: <20041222205253.DF2E9930220@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <F76DB105-545D-11D9-97E0-000A957FBF9E@hawaii.edu>

Aloha,
Does anyone know of an external that controls (and perhaps receives 
input) via firewire a mini dv deck and camera?
Thanks,
Tom Speitel


From fde101 at fjrhome.net  Wed Dec 22 16:27:58 2004
From: fde101 at fjrhome.net (Frank D. Engel, Jr.)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 16:27:58 -0500
Subject: open printing with dialog -- Windows equiv?
In-Reply-To: <20041123174340.15157.qmail@web60504.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20041123174340.15157.qmail@web60504.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <59DD10DC-5460-11D9-AF71-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

Okay, I finally got around to trying this, but it doesn't work.  I 
followed these steps as closely as I possibly could, but I still get 
strange printouts from Windows (XP is bad, 2000 is pathetic), and OS X 
printouts still look great.

The biggest issue (perhaps the only one left) with XP printing is that 
text at the right edge of a field does not print.  In other words, the 
field is x units wide, Rev allows the line of text to be x+y units 
wide, and the extra y pixels get cut off instead of wrapped.  The field 
is multiline and other lines below that one do exist.

In W2K (the real manifestation of what some people thought Y2K would be 
... though an overall improvement over its predecessors, I think), the 
printouts show extra blank lines in the middle of a field, some lines 
wrap prematurely after a word or two, and so forth.


Oh, and I just recently figured out the problem with the "Preparing" 
stack: it was topLevel, and hidden behind my modal dialog (which was a 
sheet in OS X, so not a problem there...)   Oops!  Fixed by displaying 
it as a palette.

On Nov 23, 2004, at 12:43 PM, Jan Schenkel wrote:
>
> Hi Frank,
>
> The thing with formatForPrinting is that you shouldn't
> change the content of the stack after setting this
> property to true, or the formatting will be off.
> So the best option is to set the data,; next you set
> formatForPrinting false and then back to true ; next
> you save the stack, close and reopen it ; and then
> print it.
> As for your 'preparing' stack not showing up : is it
> possible you're running that part of the script inside
> a lock/unlock screen pair ?
>
> Jan Schenkel.
- -----------------------------------------------------------
Frank D. Engel, Jr.  <fde101 at fjrhome.net>

$ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
$ true | cat /usr/manual | grep "John 3:16"
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten 
Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have 
everlasting life.
$
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From runrev at rivertext.com  Wed Dec 22 16:32:25 2004
From: runrev at rivertext.com (Brian Thomas)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 13:32:25 -0800
Subject: the secrets of Monks
In-Reply-To: <20041222205254.150BA930223@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20041222205254.150BA930223@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <a06020407bdef983fd2fa@[192.168.0.5]>


At last, the conclusion to the longest running project in the history 
of interactive media. Thanks again to everyone who helped build the 
If Monks had Macs (or Windows) library.

Runtime Revolution has just released a stack of scripts and tips as 
to using Revolution/Dreamcard for multimedia. The stack may not be of 
much help to the wizards on this site who have been so helpful to 
over the years that I have been working on Monks. Nonetheless, it is 
a good resource for you to know about and point out to new multimedia 
developers. And the stack does share a wonderful technique that 
Jeanne A.E. deVoto worked out for me so Monks could display life-size 
(museum sized) paintings on small computer screens. You can download 
the demo/codeshare tutorial through revOnline or by using this link:

http://revonline.runrev.com/resources/coding/monks-demo.zip

The two main differences between the new edition of Monks and last 
year's is that:

1). Sophie, our ebook reader is now compatible with Mac OS 10.3. Also 
all the ebooks have been revised and a new one added. The new ebook 
is H.G.Wells The War of the Worlds. (I haven't tried to make it as 
compelling as Orson Wells did, but I have added an introduction that 
argues that the story is as timely at today's headlines.) This new 
version of Sophie and all the ebooks is a free download from Richard 
Gaskin's web site. If you already have a copy of Monks you can just 
replace the old Sophie folder with the new one (being careful not to 
toss any notebooks you may have created out.

http://fourthworld.com/products/sophie/download.html

2). I have included all my latest experiments in digital video and 
photography -- all my efforts to take the ideals out of the library 
and into the streets.

These additions are all available on my web sites.

http://rivertext.smugmug.com/

http://rivertext.com/stuff.html

-------------------

For those of you who may not know what the hell this post has been 
about, here is a brief timeline of "the longest running project in 
the history of interactive media":

The first library of fun and games and serious ideas that was called 
If Monks had Macs was built with Apple Computer's HyperCard, 
compressed onto two floppy disks and released as freeware in 1988. 
That was before the creative success of the CD-ROM (which began the 
following year with the Voyager Company's release of "Beethoven's 
Ninth.") In 1995 when the Voyager Company published the first 
commercial version of Monks I made the mistake of requesting that 
they add this line to the back of the package:

"Brian Thomas is currently working on If Monks had Windows."

I failed to achieve this goal three times -- I failed in: Oracle 
Media Objects, SuperCard, and mTropolis. Nonetheless, all that time I 
was re-working the library's provocative text to make it beautifully 
illustrated, quick and deep. Now I have succeeded in bringing If 
Monks had Macs to Windows as well as to Mac OS X thanks to 
"Revolution."

For more info see my web site.

http://rivertext.com/

-- 
Brian

From gwalias-rev at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 22 16:48:12 2004
From: gwalias-rev at yahoo.com (Gordon Webster)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 13:48:12 -0800 (PST)
Subject: the secrets of Monks
In-Reply-To: <a06020407bdef983fd2fa@[192.168.0.5]>
Message-ID: <20041222214812.11919.qmail@web51102.mail.yahoo.com>

Congratulations on "If Monks" Brian .. I have already
spent several happy hours engrossed in its cloister -
and newly annointed to the rev order, I will
definitely download the demo stacks and try to learn
from them.

Gordon

--- Brian Thomas <runrev at rivertext.com> wrote:

> 
> At last, the conclusion to the longest running
> project in the history 
> of interactive media. Thanks again to everyone who
> helped build the 
> If Monks had Macs (or Windows) library.
> 
> Runtime Revolution has just released a stack of
> scripts and tips as 
> to using Revolution/Dreamcard for multimedia. The
> stack may not be of 
> much help to the wizards on this site who have been
> so helpful to 
> over the years that I have been working on Monks.
> Nonetheless, it is 
> a good resource for you to know about and point out
> to new multimedia 
> developers. And the stack does share a wonderful
> technique that 
> Jeanne A.E. deVoto worked out for me so Monks could
> display life-size 
> (museum sized) paintings on small computer screens.
> You can download 
> the demo/codeshare tutorial through revOnline or by
> using this link:
> 
>
http://revonline.runrev.com/resources/coding/monks-demo.zip
> 
> The two main differences between the new edition of
> Monks and last 
> year's is that:
> 
> 1). Sophie, our ebook reader is now compatible with
> Mac OS 10.3. Also 
> all the ebooks have been revised and a new one
> added. The new ebook 
> is H.G.Wells The War of the Worlds. (I haven't tried
> to make it as 
> compelling as Orson Wells did, but I have added an
> introduction that 
> argues that the story is as timely at today's
> headlines.) This new 
> version of Sophie and all the ebooks is a free
> download from Richard 
> Gaskin's web site. If you already have a copy of
> Monks you can just 
> replace the old Sophie folder with the new one
> (being careful not to 
> toss any notebooks you may have created out.
> 
> http://fourthworld.com/products/sophie/download.html
> 
> 2). I have included all my latest experiments in
> digital video and 
> photography -- all my efforts to take the ideals out
> of the library 
> and into the streets.
> 
> These additions are all available on my web sites.
> 
> http://rivertext.smugmug.com/
> 
> http://rivertext.com/stuff.html
> 
> -------------------
> 
> For those of you who may not know what the hell this
> post has been 
> about, here is a brief timeline of "the longest
> running project in 
> the history of interactive media":
> 
> The first library of fun and games and serious ideas
> that was called 
> If Monks had Macs was built with Apple Computer's
> HyperCard, 
> compressed onto two floppy disks and released as
> freeware in 1988. 
> That was before the creative success of the CD-ROM
> (which began the 
> following year with the Voyager Company's release of
> "Beethoven's 
> Ninth.") In 1995 when the Voyager Company published
> the first 
> commercial version of Monks I made the mistake of
> requesting that 
> they add this line to the back of the package:
> 
> "Brian Thomas is currently working on If Monks had
> Windows."
> 
> I failed to achieve this goal three times -- I
> failed in: Oracle 
> Media Objects, SuperCard, and mTropolis.
> Nonetheless, all that time I 
> was re-working the library's provocative text to
> make it beautifully 
> illustrated, quick and deep. Now I have succeeded in
> bringing If 
> Monks had Macs to Windows as well as to Mac OS X
> thanks to 
> "Revolution."
> 
> For more info see my web site.
> 
> http://rivertext.com/
> 
> -- 
> Brian
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> 


=====
:::::::::: Gordon Webster ::::::::::

From edgore at shinra.com  Wed Dec 22 17:33:47 2004
From: edgore at shinra.com (Edwin Gore)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 15:33:47 -0700
Subject: 3D Rev Cards...
Message-ID: <200412222233.iBMMXlhY077141@mmm1505.boca15-verio.com>

I can think of some ways to make card objects behave in a "3-D" fashion using parallax scrolling techniques based on object number. That is, when the user scrolls the view of the card, the objects move up or down, left or right in different increments with low numbered object moving more than high numbered objects.

>----- ------- Original Message ------- -----
>From: "Lynch, Jonathan" <BNZ2 at CDC.GOV>
>To: "How to use Revolution"
><use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
>Sent: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 15:27:56
>
>Would 3D Rev Cards/stacks be possible?
>
>That is, all objects in 3-D, the card possessing
>X,Y,Z dimensions, and
>some sort of intuitive means of navigating within
>the card, including
>the ability to change perspective in all the ways
>that a person change
>the direction in which the look.
>
>The files would not necessarily have to be all that
>much larger,
>depending on the nature of the 3-D objects
>involved.
>
>If you think about it, a stack is already a 3-D
>object, if it has
>multiple cards. What would it take to expand that
>so that it feels 3-D
>to the user?
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>tion

From SimPLsol at aol.com  Wed Dec 22 17:39:01 2004
From: SimPLsol at aol.com (SimPLsol at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 17:39:01 EST
Subject: A little help needed please ;?(
Message-ID: <1f4.388027e.2efb5185@aol.com>

If the data is in a text file, and this is an infrequent change, why not just 
edit it directly in a text editor (any word processor should work)?
Paul Looney

From pixelbird at interisland.net  Wed Dec 22 17:48:31 2004
From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 14:48:31 -0800
Subject: DreamCard Review-PCPLUS
In-Reply-To: <20041222164418.75BC49301E1@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20041222164418.75BC49301E1@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <9A8B1CBA-546B-11D9-813F-000A27945590@interisland.net>

Hi frank,

> From: "Frank D. Engel, Jr." <fde101 at fjrhome.net>
> Subject: Re: DreamCard Review-PCPLUS
> To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
>
>
> It's a Windows magazine, probably written by Windows fans.  What do
> they know?
>
> ;-)
>
> Seriously, they are both correct, and lacking.  Rev is by far an easier
> environment to work with than Visual Studio, and personally I hate
> Microsoft stuff.  OTOH, the documentation is quite lacking from the
> perspective of learning how to use Rev (the tutorials in RevOnline are
> a nice start, but still lacking).  Additionally, there are some flaws
> in the interface design of the IDE which can be quite confusing for new
> users.
>
> Rev is *very* nice after you know where to look for things, but
> HyperCard it is not.

People need to be able to assemble useful things from a list of 
ready-made parts they can just copy/paste.

One of the things that got HC off and running was the plethora of 
useful ready-to-run and/or modify stacks, together with ready-made 
fields, buttons, artwork, etc.

IMO, that's what it needs. Like a bunch of Barbie and Ken doll themes 
with add-on objects.

Ken N.


From BNZ2 at CDC.GOV  Wed Dec 22 17:41:55 2004
From: BNZ2 at CDC.GOV (Lynch, Jonathan)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 17:41:55 -0500
Subject: 3D Rev Cards...
Message-ID: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A90EC5BC@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>

That would make sense - and each object could have a custom property
defining it's Z location, which the parallax scrolling technique use.

I was also thinking about using like 400 cards (which would obviously be
a memory hog), each card representing a single layer in a 3-D box. An
object would appear on a card if it it's Z-range contains that card
number. This would depend on the cards themselves being transparent (or
partially transparent), allowing cards below to show through - I don't
know if that is possible.

I was also thinking one could assign additional custom properties to
each object to define it's various 3-D characteristics, then write a
rather complex interpreting algorithm that places a picture of the card
into an image - with the actual look of the image based on your zoom,
pan, tilt, rotate, and other factors. I understand that the math for 3-D
images is a bit challenging - but boy, it would sure look cool!

-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Edwin Gore
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 5:34 PM
To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
Subject: RE: 3D Rev Cards...

I can think of some ways to make card objects behave in a "3-D" fashion
using parallax scrolling techniques based on object number. That is,
when the user scrolls the view of the card, the objects move up or down,
left or right in different increments with low numbered object moving
more than high numbered objects.

>----- ------- Original Message ------- -----
>From: "Lynch, Jonathan" <BNZ2 at CDC.GOV>
>To: "How to use Revolution"
><use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
>Sent: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 15:27:56
>
>Would 3D Rev Cards/stacks be possible?
>
>That is, all objects in 3-D, the card possessing
>X,Y,Z dimensions, and
>some sort of intuitive means of navigating within
>the card, including
>the ability to change perspective in all the ways
>that a person change
>the direction in which the look.
>
>The files would not necessarily have to be all that
>much larger,
>depending on the nature of the 3-D objects
>involved.
>
>If you think about it, a stack is already a 3-D
>object, if it has
>multiple cards. What would it take to expand that
>so that it feels 3-D
>to the user?
>_______________________________________________
>use-revolution mailing list
>use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolu
>tion
_______________________________________________
use-revolution mailing list
use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution

From gwalias-rev at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 22 17:55:00 2004
From: gwalias-rev at yahoo.com (Gordon Webster)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 14:55:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: DreamCard Review-PCPLUS
In-Reply-To: <03d801c4e864$345e1090$dd09113f@DOWNSTAIRS>
Message-ID: <20041222225500.39639.qmail@web51106.mail.yahoo.com>

I have used both VB and rev and while they both
effectively do the same thing, I have to say that VB
is rather gray and uninspiring by comparison. 

I find that the so called "cosmetic details" of a
language or a development platform are in reality way
more than merely cosmetic - it's like a car you drive
every day wherein even the little things that niggle
can eventually make your life miserable - you want the
controls on the dash to look great and be easy on the
eye and the doors to shut easily with a nice solid
clunk, the steering wheel to feel good in your hands
as you're zooming effortlessly along etc. etc. VB may
have been some hot s**t in its day, but now it justs
reminds me of my old Fiat.

We should concede them a minor point about the rev
documentation though. Yes, all the info is there -
somewhere - but it's arranged more like a jigsaw
puzzle than a book and when I'm trying to learn a new
programming language, a book is a whole lot easier.

All that said, IMHO rev wins hand down!

Gordon



From BNZ2 at CDC.GOV  Wed Dec 22 17:57:58 2004
From: BNZ2 at CDC.GOV (Lynch, Jonathan)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 17:57:58 -0500
Subject: DreamCard Review-PCPLUS
Message-ID: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A9469E60@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>

So - there are obviously VB to rev converts - are there any Rev to VB
converts?

-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Gordon
Webster
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 5:55 PM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: DreamCard Review-PCPLUS

I have used both VB and rev and while they both
effectively do the same thing, I have to say that VB
is rather gray and uninspiring by comparison. 

I find that the so called "cosmetic details" of a
language or a development platform are in reality way
more than merely cosmetic - it's like a car you drive
every day wherein even the little things that niggle
can eventually make your life miserable - you want the
controls on the dash to look great and be easy on the
eye and the doors to shut easily with a nice solid
clunk, the steering wheel to feel good in your hands
as you're zooming effortlessly along etc. etc. VB may
have been some hot s**t in its day, but now it justs
reminds me of my old Fiat.

We should concede them a minor point about the rev
documentation though. Yes, all the info is there -
somewhere - but it's arranged more like a jigsaw
puzzle than a book and when I'm trying to learn a new
programming language, a book is a whole lot easier.

All that said, IMHO rev wins hand down!

Gordon


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From ps1 at softseven.org  Wed Dec 22 18:05:12 2004
From: ps1 at softseven.org (Paul Salyers)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 17:05:12 -0600
Subject: htmlText help
In-Reply-To: <6954E200-5459-11D9-95E4-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
References: <41C99F19.3020905@roman.uib.no>
 <A8916A28-5451-11D9-95E4-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
 <6954E200-5459-11D9-95E4-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.1.1.2.20041222170356.0264b680@softseven.org>

At 02:38 PM 12/22/2004, you wrote:

>On Dec 22, 2004, at 12:42 PM, Dar Scott wrote:
>
>>On OS X I tried using Unicode in Revolution by putting the combining 
>>diaeresis (0308) after an n.  The font was Lucinda Grande.  It didn't 
>>render as I expected; I only saw the n.
>
>Here is a way to get Revolution to render correctly:
>
>   set the htmlText of field "field" to \
>    format("<p><font face=\"Lucida Grande\" 
> lang=\"ja\">&#110;&#776;</font></p>")

Where is the object for htmlText located.

Paul Salyers
PS1 - Senior Rep.
PS1 at softseven.org 


From ps1 at softseven.org  Wed Dec 22 18:11:22 2004
From: ps1 at softseven.org (Paul Salyers)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 17:11:22 -0600
Subject: Sample Source Code
Message-ID: <6.1.1.1.2.20041222170751.02618808@softseven.org>

Does anyone know of any web sites with sample source code that is free. I 
been through all the code that comes with Revolution and would like to see 
more. If you know of any web sites or have any code you would like to share 
please do so.



Paul Salyers
PS1 - Senior Rep.
PS1 at softseven.org 


From alex at tweedly.net  Wed Dec 22 18:22:55 2004
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 23:22:55 +0000
Subject: the secrets of Monks
In-Reply-To: <a06020407bdef983fd2fa@[192.168.0.5]>
References: <20041222205254.150BA930223@mail.runrev.com>
	<a06020407bdef983fd2fa@[192.168.0.5]>
Message-ID: <41CA01CF.50404@tweedly.net>

Brian Thomas wrote:

>
> At last, the conclusion to the longest running project in the history 
> of interactive media. Thanks again to everyone who helped build the If 
> Monks had Macs (or Windows) library.
>
> Runtime Revolution has just released a stack of scripts and tips as to 
> using Revolution/Dreamcard for multimedia. The stack may not be of 
> much help to the wizards on this site who have been so helpful to over 
> the years that I have been working on Monks. Nonetheless, it is a good 
> resource for you to know about and point out to new multimedia 
> developers. And the stack does share a wonderful technique that Jeanne 
> A.E. deVoto worked out for me so Monks could display life-size (museum 
> sized) paintings on small computer screens. You can download the 
> demo/codeshare tutorial through revOnline or by using this link:
>
> http://revonline.runrev.com/resources/coding/monks-demo.zip


Looks pretty good - but I had rather mixed success trying to run it on 
Win XP.

1. If you run it from the Dreamcard Player, it fails pretty thoroughly. 
NO images are shown - so almost nothing can be done. Even the "quit" 
button is invisible, so unless you happen to know where it is, you are 
stuck. (The "Close" button in the menu bar is disabled - so there is no 
way out except Ctrl-Del-Alt and terminating the program.)

I'm guessing this is because of BZ 2294 (there is no defaultFolder when 
running in Dreamcard Player).

2. If run with the Rev (2.5 Dreamcard - but full Rev, not Player) engine 
by double-clicking the stack, the cursor is invisible. I reported this 
as BZ 2138 (though I thought it was only Dreamcard Player it happened in 
- but I am 99.99% sure this happens with the Monks stack in the full Rev 
engine; there's just a .001% chance I'm picking up the wrong engine by 
mistake - I'm running it via right-click, Open with ... and selecting 
the engine within the Rev 2.5 folder).

3. If I run Rev, then open the stack within that - it's great !! Thank You !

-- Alex.


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From alex at tweedly.net  Wed Dec 22 18:30:49 2004
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 23:30:49 +0000
Subject: the secrets of Monks
In-Reply-To: <41CA01CF.50404@tweedly.net>
References: <20041222205254.150BA930223@mail.runrev.com>
	<a06020407bdef983fd2fa@[192.168.0.5]> <41CA01CF.50404@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <41CA03A9.1060203@tweedly.net>

Alex Tweedly wrote:

> Looks pretty good - but I had rather mixed success trying to run it on 
> Win XP.


*(&*^%! 
Sorry - that was supposed to go direct to Brian at rivertext, not to the 
list.

I'm trying out Thunderbird for my email (replacing Eudora) and have made 
a good variety of mistakes in the last two days ...

-- Alex.



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From sarahr at genesearch.com.au  Wed Dec 22 18:41:40 2004
From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 09:41:40 +1000
Subject: Sample Source Code
In-Reply-To: <6.1.1.1.2.20041222170751.02618808@softseven.org>
References: <6.1.1.1.2.20041222170751.02618808@softseven.org>
Message-ID: <07640D2C-5473-11D9-80AA-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au>

There are plenty of sites around with stacks that you can look at. 
First, try checking revOnline, where you will fine a bunch of stuff. 
Next stop would be the Revolution web ring - my internet connection is 
down at the moment and I am emailing through shared dial-up so I can't 
check the address, but if you go to my site, you will see a whole load 
of projects that you are welcome to download and check, as well as some 
links at the bottom to the web ring and a few other sites.

Cheers,
Sarah
sarahr at genesearch.com.au
http://www.troz.net/Rev/

On 23 Dec 2004, at 9:18 am, Paul Salyers wrote:

> Does anyone know of any web sites with sample source code that is 
> free. I been through all the code that comes with Revolution and would 
> like to see more. If you know of any web sites or have any code you 
> would like to share please do so.
>
>
>
> Paul Salyers
> PS1 - Senior Rep.
> PS1 at softseven.org


From dsc at swcp.com  Wed Dec 22 18:45:22 2004
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 16:45:22 -0700
Subject: htmlText help
In-Reply-To: <6.1.1.1.2.20041222170356.0264b680@softseven.org>
References: <41C99F19.3020905@roman.uib.no>
	<A8916A28-5451-11D9-95E4-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
	<6954E200-5459-11D9-95E4-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
	<6.1.1.1.2.20041222170356.0264b680@softseven.org>
Message-ID: <8B945631-5473-11D9-95E4-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>


On Dec 22, 2004, at 4:05 PM, Paul Salyers wrote:

>>> On OS X I tried using Unicode in Revolution by putting the combining 
>>> diaeresis (0308) after an n.  The font was Lucinda Grande.  It 
>>> didn't render as I expected; I only saw the n.
>>
>> Here is a way to get Revolution to render correctly:
>>
>>   set the htmlText of field "field" to \
>>    format("<p><font face=\"Lucida Grande\" 
>> lang=\"ja\">&#110;&#776;</font></p>")
>
> Where is the object for htmlText located.

It is a property of a field.  (Or a chunk of a field text.)  It is an 
HTML-like description of the text of a field that includes style and 
fonts and so on.

This particular problem can be addressed by setting the textFont of the 
field include the encoding "Japanese".  That forces the field to use 
unicode encoding for the entire field.  That way the modifier, the 
combining diaeresis, is kept with the modified character.

Dar

**********************************************
     DSC (Dar Scott Consulting & Dar's Lab)
     http://www.swcp.com/dsc/
     Programming Services and Software
**********************************************


From troy at rpsystems.net  Wed Dec 22 18:49:13 2004
From: troy at rpsystems.net (Troy Rollins)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 18:49:13 -0500
Subject: DreamCard Review-PCPLUS
In-Reply-To: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A9469E60@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
References: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A9469E60@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
Message-ID: <1569C1CE-5474-11D9-BB0C-000A95A09CF8@rpsystems.net>


On Dec 22, 2004, at 5:57 PM, Lynch, Jonathan wrote:

> So - there are obviously VB to rev converts - are there any Rev to VB
> converts?

For the most part they wouldn't be hanging around here.
--
Troy
RPSystems, Ltd.
http://www.rpsystems.net


From ps1 at softseven.org  Wed Dec 22 20:33:47 2004
From: ps1 at softseven.org (Paul Salyers)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 19:33:47 -0600
Subject: Keys pressed
Message-ID: <6.1.1.1.2.20041222192626.026328d0@softseven.org>

I need to know how to do a keypressed function:

EX:

press the "I" and it will goto the Information card

     Case Asc("I"), Asc("i")
          Open instruction card
     End case

This is an VB example and I have the painful job of converting without much 
help in doc

Paul Salyers
PS1 - Senior Rep.
PS1 at softseven.org
(918) 465-7426 -- Cell
(918) 967-1013 -- Home 


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Dec 22 20:40:35 2004
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 17:40:35 -0800
Subject: Keys pressed
In-Reply-To: <6.1.1.1.2.20041222192626.026328d0@softseven.org>
References: <6.1.1.1.2.20041222192626.026328d0@softseven.org>
Message-ID: <41CA2213.8030802@fourthworld.com>

Paul Salyers wrote:
> I need to know how to do a keypressed function:
> 
> EX:
> 
> press the "I" and it will goto the Information card
> 
>     Case Asc("I"), Asc("i")
>          Open instruction card
>     End case
> 
> This is an VB example and I have the painful job of converting without 
> much help in doc

There must be something in those 3,000 pages for ya' -- let's see what 
we can find:

...launching Rev, clicking Documentation....
...flipped the option control to "Search for:", enter "key pressed"...

- blamo!:  found the keyDown and keyUp messages.

Check those out and you should have what you need.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  __________________________________________________
  Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev

From alex at tweedly.net  Wed Dec 22 20:43:15 2004
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 01:43:15 +0000
Subject: Keys pressed
In-Reply-To: <6.1.1.1.2.20041222192626.026328d0@softseven.org>
References: <6.1.1.1.2.20041222192626.026328d0@softseven.org>
Message-ID: <41CA22B3.4060607@tweedly.net>

Paul Salyers wrote:

> I need to know how to do a keypressed function:
>
> EX:
>
> press the "I" and it will goto the Information card
>
>     Case Asc("I"), Asc("i")
>          Open instruction card
>     End case
>
> This is an VB example and I have the painful job of converting without 
> much help in doc

See docs under keyDown and similar ....
on keyDown theKey
   switch theKey
   case "I"
     go card "Information"
     break
....
  end switch
end keyDown

But do look at the docs - there are some important exceptions where 
certain keys trigger different events.

-- Alex.


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From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Wed Dec 22 20:47:46 2004
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 19:47:46 -0600
Subject: Keys pressed
Message-ID: <p0620070bbdefd418238e@[192.168.1.101]>

>This is an VB example and I have the painful job of converting 
>without much help in doc

bollocks! The docs aren't that bad!


From alex at tweedly.net  Wed Dec 22 20:51:23 2004
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 01:51:23 +0000
Subject: Keys pressed
In-Reply-To: <41CA2213.8030802@fourthworld.com>
References: <6.1.1.1.2.20041222192626.026328d0@softseven.org>
	<41CA2213.8030802@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <41CA249B.7020108@tweedly.net>

Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Paul Salyers wrote:
>
>> I need to know how to do a keypressed function:
>>
>> EX:
>>
>> press the "I" and it will goto the Information card
>>
>>     Case Asc("I"), Asc("i")
>>          Open instruction card
>>     End case
>>
>> This is an VB example and I have the painful job of converting 
>> without much help in doc
>
>
> There must be something in those 3,000 pages for ya' -- let's see what 
> we can find:
>
> ...launching Rev, clicking Documentation....
> ...flipped the option control to "Search for:", enter "key pressed"...
>
> - blamo!:  found the keyDown and keyUp messages.
>
> Check those out and you should have what you need.

I'm sure it's in there - and I'm even sure Paul tried to look ..... 
don't assume it's as easy as it might seem with the benefit of 
knowledge/hindsight/intuition that makes you pick the right phrase.

Here's what I did ....

... launching Rev,. click Documentation...
... flip option to Search ...., enter "keypress"

wait for approx 2 minutes while it spins that stupid little cursor ....
get about 10 entries .... none of which is keyDown or keyUp

(though the 7th entry would (if I hadn't given up by then) have referred 
me to keyDown in the "See also ..." list.)

-- Alex.



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From DMJV5 at aol.com  Wed Dec 22 20:51:48 2004
From: DMJV5 at aol.com (DMJV5 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 20:51:48 EST
Subject: Keys pressed
Message-ID: <8d.1cd5d972.2efb7eb4@aol.com>

please stop the e-mails
 

From johnrule at rcsprogramming.com  Wed Dec 22 21:07:47 2004
From: johnrule at rcsprogramming.com (John Rule)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 18:07:47 -0800
Subject: AirSync graphics issue
In-Reply-To: <20041222205254.150BA930223@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <200412222008953.SM01412@minipcxp>

It's not just a graphics problem, stand alone apps compiled with any engine
later than 2.5 will crash when in the 'remote' mode.

JR


> It takes some cajones to say that the engine is "very good at exposing 
> bugs in the drivers for graphics cards", but damned if it isn't true. 
> And it's logical enough, even if other apps don't trip over the same 
> wires*:  specs for Windows drivers are a bizarre hodge-podge from 
> multiple vendors, and display manufacturers are always testing and 
> revising their drivers constantly (the good ones, anyway).




From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Dec 22 22:00:31 2004
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 19:00:31 -0800
Subject: Keys pressed
In-Reply-To: <41CA249B.7020108@tweedly.net>
References: <6.1.1.1.2.20041222192626.026328d0@softseven.org>
	<41CA2213.8030802@fourthworld.com> <41CA249B.7020108@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <41CA34CF.2010005@fourthworld.com>

Alex Tweedly wrote:
> Richard Gaskin wrote:
> 
>> Paul Salyers wrote:
>>
>>> I need to know how to do a keypressed function:
>>>
>>> EX:
>>>
>>> press the "I" and it will goto the Information card
>>>
>>>     Case Asc("I"), Asc("i")
>>>          Open instruction card
>>>     End case
>>>
>>> This is an VB example and I have the painful job of converting 
>>> without much help in doc
>>
>> There must be something in those 3,000 pages for ya' -- let's see what 
>> we can find:
>>
>> ...launching Rev, clicking Documentation....
>> ...flipped the option control to "Search for:", enter "key pressed"...
>>
>> - blamo!:  found the keyDown and keyUp messages.
>>
>> Check those out and you should have what you need.
>
> I'm sure it's in there - and I'm even sure Paul tried to look .....

I didn't mean to imply he hadn't.  But while I don't know what path he 
had tried, I do know what I would try if I were there in his office 
working for him, which is what I wrote.

Fortunately, the phrasing he used turns up great results.  But as you 
found, varations can be less useful:

> don't assume it's as easy as it might seem with the benefit of 
> knowledge/hindsight/intuition that makes you pick the right phrase.
> 
> Here's what I did ....
> 
> ... launching Rev,. click Documentation...
> ... flip option to Search ...., enter "keypress"
> 
> wait for approx 2 minutes while it spins that stupid little cursor ....
> get about 10 entries .... none of which is keyDown or keyUp

2 minutes?  What speed?

Searching through thousands of tiny text files will never be as fast as 
working with the native object model as was done in earlier versions, 
and if it takes two minutes I'd agree it passes a threshold of usefulness.

> (though the 7th entry would (if I hadn't given up by then) have referred 
> me to keyDown in the "See also ..." list.)

You're right:  I had searched only for the term Paul used, "key pressed".

Trying another avenue, switching to the "Topics" mode I see many things 
but none called something like "Working with text".  Searching for 
"keyboard event" also yields zero entries. So does searching for "key 
event".

Ironically, the best search turns out to be the exact one the poster was 
looking for, but variations on that are fruitless.

Rather than risk another long thread about the docs, I'll follow my own 
advice and explore recommendations for improving searching to the 
RevDocs group at <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RevDocs/>.

But I do agree that there's much room for improvement.  Hopefully the 
recommendations from the RevDocs group will help.

Good catch.  Thanks.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  __________________________________________________
  Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Dec 22 22:03:20 2004
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 19:03:20 -0800
Subject: AirSync graphics issue
In-Reply-To: <200412222008953.SM01412@minipcxp>
References: <200412222008953.SM01412@minipcxp>
Message-ID: <41CA3578.7010000@fourthworld.com>

John Rule wrote:
>>It takes some cajones to say that the engine is "very good at exposing 
>>bugs in the drivers for graphics cards", but damned if it isn't true. 
>>And it's logical enough, even if other apps don't trip over the same 
>>wires*:  specs for Windows drivers are a bizarre hodge-podge from 
>>multiple vendors, and display manufacturers are always testing and 
>>revising their drivers constantly (the good ones, anyway).
>
> It's not just a graphics problem, stand alone apps compiled with any engine
> later than 2.5 will crash when in the 'remote' mode.

Graphics problems can find expression in symptoms deeper than odd 
rendering.  Remember, we're talking about a serious hodge-podge of specs 
at play here. :)

Did you check the driver version and hardware accelleration?

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  __________________________________________________
  Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev

From runrev at rivertext.com  Wed Dec 22 23:04:36 2004
From: runrev at rivertext.com (Brian Thomas)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 20:04:36 -0800
Subject: monks demo error -- atten: Mark Waddingham
In-Reply-To: <20041223013543.94694930242@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20041223013543.94694930242@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <a0602040bbdefef904665@[192.168.0.5]>

>Message: 14
>Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 23:22:55 +0000
>From: Alex Tweedly <alex at tweedly.net>
>Subject: Re: the secrets of Monks
>
>
>Looks pretty good - but I had rather mixed success trying to run it on
>Win XP.
>
>1. If you run it from the Dreamcard Player, it fails pretty thoroughly.
>NO images are shown - so almost nothing can be done. Even the "quit"
>button is invisible, so unless you happen to know where it is, you are
>stuck. (The "Close" button in the menu bar is disabled - so there is no
>way out except Ctrl-Del-Alt and terminating the program.)
>
>I'm guessing this is because of BZ 2294 (there is no defaultFolder when
>running in Dreamcard Player).
>
>2. If run with the Rev (2.5 Dreamcard - but full Rev, not Player) engine
>by double-clicking the stack, the cursor is invisible. I reported this
>as BZ 2138 (though I thought it was only Dreamcard Player it happened in
>- but I am 99.99% sure this happens with the Monks stack in the full Rev
>engine; there's just a .001% chance I'm picking up the wrong engine by
>mistake - I'm running it via right-click, Open with ... and selecting
>the engine within the Rev 2.5 folder).
>
>3. If I run Rev, then open the stack within that - it's great !! Thank You !
>
>-- Alex.
>

Thanks Alex,

Before sending to Runtime Revolution I tested it in Windows XP ONLY 
by opening it the way you did in number 3 -- opening Rev. first.

I had included a READ ME file that I asked Mark Waddingham to remove 
that explained how to get it to work despite the problems you 
mention. It read like this:

In order for this stack to work it AND its "data" folder must be in 
the same folder as the Runtime Revolution application you are using 
to view it. You could browse this stack with either the DreamCard 
player, DreamCard, or Revolution.  Drag "monks.rev and the "data" 
folder out of this folder and into the folder for the Runtime 
Revolution application you are using to view it.

If you already have a "data" folder in that application then 
separately drag the monks.rev file into the Runtime Revolution folder 
and then drag the two folders inside my "data" folder into your 
already existing "data" folder.

----

Then Richard Gaskin re-wrote the script he wrote for Monks to create 
a path. This is the script:

on preOpenStack
   put the filename of this stack into tPath
   set the itemdel to "/"
   delete last item of tPath
   set the defaultfolder to tPath
end preOpenStack

So now you're telling me that this script won't work in Dreamcard and 
there is no way to fix it. -- I have to ask Mark to put the Read Me 
back in? -- 

I tested it on Rev & Dreamcard but now I see that I still had the 
files in the correct position in the Dreamcard player folder and so 
it only appeared to be working.


This whole thing seems like a major flaw in Dreamcard. Do you expect 
everyone to make little stacks with it that don't need to have their 
files kept externally?
-- 
Brian

From wdesigns at austin.rr.com  Wed Dec 22 23:52:56 2004
From: wdesigns at austin.rr.com (Douglas Westbrook)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 22:52:56 -0600
Subject: Keys pressed
In-Reply-To: <41CA34CF.2010005@fourthworld.com>
References: <6.1.1.1.2.20041222192626.026328d0@softseven.org>
	<41CA2213.8030802@fourthworld.com> <41CA249B.7020108@tweedly.net>
	<41CA34CF.2010005@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <835B3041-549E-11D9-9520-000A95B26B74@austin.rr.com>

try this
If 105  =  the keysdown then go to card "instruction" of stack 
"whatever"



On Dec 22, 2004, at 9:00 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Alex Tweedly wrote:
>> Richard Gaskin wrote:
>>> Paul Salyers wrote:
>>>
>>>> I need to know how to do a keypressed function:
>>>>
>>>> EX:
>>>>
>>>> press the "I" and it will goto the Information card
>>>>
>>>>     Case Asc("I"), Asc("i")
>>>>          Open instruction card
>>>>     End case
>>>>
>>>> This is an VB example and I have the painful job of converting 
>>>> without much help in doc
>>>
>>> There must be something in those 3,000 pages for ya' -- let's see 
>>> what we can find:
>>>
>>> ...launching Rev, clicking Documentation....
>>> ...flipped the option control to "Search for:", enter "key 
>>> pressed"...
>>>
>>> - blamo!:  found the keyDown and keyUp messages.
>>>
>>> Check those out and you should have what you need.
>>
>> I'm sure it's in there - and I'm even sure Paul tried to look .....
>
> I didn't mean to imply he hadn't.  But while I don't know what path he 
> had tried, I do know what I would try if I were there in his office 
> working for him, which is what I wrote.
>
> Fortunately, the phrasing he used turns up great results.  But as you 
> found, varations can be less useful:
>
>> don't assume it's as easy as it might seem with the benefit of 
>> knowledge/hindsight/intuition that makes you pick the right phrase.
>> Here's what I did ....
>> ... launching Rev,. click Documentation...
>> ... flip option to Search ...., enter "keypress"
>> wait for approx 2 minutes while it spins that stupid little cursor 
>> ....
>> get about 10 entries .... none of which is keyDown or keyUp
>
> 2 minutes?  What speed?
>
> Searching through thousands of tiny text files will never be as fast 
> as working with the native object model as was done in earlier 
> versions, and if it takes two minutes I'd agree it passes a threshold 
> of usefulness.
>
>> (though the 7th entry would (if I hadn't given up by then) have 
>> referred me to keyDown in the "See also ..." list.)
>
> You're right:  I had searched only for the term Paul used, "key 
> pressed".
>
> Trying another avenue, switching to the "Topics" mode I see many 
> things but none called something like "Working with text".  Searching 
> for "keyboard event" also yields zero entries. So does searching for 
> "key event".
>
> Ironically, the best search turns out to be the exact one the poster 
> was looking for, but variations on that are fruitless.
>
> Rather than risk another long thread about the docs, I'll follow my 
> own advice and explore recommendations for improving searching to the 
> RevDocs group at <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RevDocs/>.
>
> But I do agree that there's much room for improvement.  Hopefully the 
> recommendations from the RevDocs group will help.
>
> Good catch.  Thanks.
>
> --
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World Media Corporation
>  __________________________________________________
>  Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Dec 23 00:30:36 2004
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 23:30:36 -0600
Subject: Sample Source Code
In-Reply-To: <6.1.1.1.2.20041222170751.02618808@softseven.org>
References: <6.1.1.1.2.20041222170751.02618808@softseven.org>
Message-ID: <41CA57FC.5080302@hyperactivesw.com>

On 12/22/04 5:11 PM, Paul Salyers wrote:

> Does anyone know of any web sites with sample source code that is free. 
> I been through all the code that comes with Revolution and would like to 
> see more. If you know of any web sites or have any code you would like 
> to share please do so.

What you need is the list that Richard Gaskin is keeping:

<http://www.fourthworld.com/rev/links.html>

A very good list of resources from a lot of different people -- sample 
stacks, library code, utilities, other examples. You're bound to find 
something in there.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com

From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Dec 23 00:38:08 2004
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 21:38:08 -0800
Subject: Sample Source Code
In-Reply-To: <41CA57FC.5080302@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <6.1.1.1.2.20041222170751.02618808@softseven.org>
	<41CA57FC.5080302@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <41CA59C0.4000108@fourthworld.com>

J. Landman Gay wrote:
> On 12/22/04 5:11 PM, Paul Salyers wrote:
> 
>> Does anyone know of any web sites with sample source code that is 
>> free. I been through all the code that comes with Revolution and would 
>> like to see more. If you know of any web sites or have any code you 
>> would like to share please do so.
> 
> 
> What you need is the list that Richard Gaskin is keeping:
> 
> <http://www.fourthworld.com/rev/links.html>
> 
> A very good list of resources from a lot of different people -- sample 
> stacks, library code, utilities, other examples. You're bound to find 
> something in there.

Thank you, Jacque.  It may be worth noting that that list is also in 
RevNet, on the Links card.  And while you're in RevNet, check out the 
Stacks list -- lots of downloadable stuff there (including Jacque's 
addictive Blocker game).

To use RevNet just open Development->Plugins->GoRevNet

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  __________________________________________________
  Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev

From mfstuart at cox.net  Thu Dec 23 01:52:04 2004
From: mfstuart at cox.net (Mark Stuart)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 22:52:04 -0800
Subject: Database Tutorial
Message-ID: <000a01c4e8bb$e97824f0$636f0444@stuart>

Hi folks,

 

I'm a brand new user to Dreamcard that needs to access MySQL databases, and
I need a tutorial to guide me thru the steps of building an example
application.

I've looked at Sarah's "MySQLTests.rev" example, and it's great, but it's
not want I want to do.

 

BTW: I'm a software developer and have been using eDeveloper from Magic
Software for many years now, and know what I'm looking to do.

 

Basically, I would like to use a tutorial that brings it all together, in a
"real world" database oriented application.

For example, if you look at any good Contact Manager, or CRM application
that's out there on the web today, you will see that's the kind of
application I would like to try and build.

 

Typically, in a "real world" example, there would be: 

Setup screens for:

-          Database Connection

-          User Name & Password

-          Security

-          Printer Setup

-          Etc.

 

            Data access:

-          List Views - data displayed to the user in a datagrid

-          View Detail forms - modify, create, delete, print - a record from
the List View

-          Form Navigation - viewing different data sets/tables: Customers,
Orders, ToDo's, etc.

-          Record Find, Lookup

-          Etc.

 

The tutorial would explain the following:

Event driven structure to the code to handle all data elements.

Bound Data Combo Box, List Box examples

Combo Box content dependant on prior Combo Box user selection

Drop down menus

Toolbar menu

Form and record Navigation

Data Lookups - Selection screens that display data in a list format, such as
City List. User selects record and that record value is returned to the
previous screen/field.

 

I don't know if the above is asking too much, but other software companies
like RunRev do have tutorials that accompany their tools, to help the
developer get oriented to the tool quickly.

I have searched extensively for the following on the web (MySQL, database,
Dreamcard, Revolution), and have not found anything that guides the
developer thru the steps of database development using either Dreamcard or
Revolution.

 

If you have something that I would be interested in, please reply back to me
personally, and we'll discuss this.

 

Thanx,

 

Mark Stuart

 


From chipp at chipp.com  Thu Dec 23 02:25:09 2004
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 23:25:09 -0800
Subject: DreamCard Review-PCPLUS
In-Reply-To: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A9469E60@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
References: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A9469E60@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
Message-ID: <41CA72D5.1050004@chipp.com>

I was using VB before I started with Rev.

-Chipp

Lynch, Jonathan wrote:
> So - there are obviously VB to rev converts - are there any Rev to VB
> converts?

From chipp at chipp.com  Thu Dec 23 02:26:33 2004
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 23:26:33 -0800
Subject: DreamCard Review-PCPLUS
In-Reply-To: <200412221330.iBMDU6m8031742@xasamail.com>
References: <200412221330.iBMDU6m8031742@xasamail.com>
Message-ID: <41CA7329.7000500@chipp.com>

Webmailman,

Do you have a URL for this review, or is it as anonymous as you are?

-Chipp

webmailman wrote:
> Dreamcard2.5 slammed hard by PCPLUS!
> Rating: 4 of 10
> 
> Time to wake up and smell the coffee, Revolutionaries!
> 
> 
> In issue 224 (Christmas 2004), Paul Hudson gives readers his insights into Dreamcard 2.5. Here are a few excerpts:
> 
> "An integrated development environment designed to allow non-programmers to become programmers. Bizarrely designed to make even the simplests operations difficult beyond belief, VisualBasic.NET is faster and a great deal easier to use."
> 
> [Tranlsation: Non-intuitive interface is a severe handicap. VB.NET is easier for beginners.]
> 
> 
> "If you're a non-programmer and want to stay a non-programmer, for goodness sake use PowerPoint, Access, Visual Basic for Applications, or some other tool you already have. If you want to become a programmer, this is perhaps the finest example of how not to do it--stick with Visual Studio."
> 
> [Translation: For typical office and home users, use your existing MS tools; they're more than adequate for most of your needs. If you want to test the waters of becomming a programmer, don't waste time with DreamCard; go directly to Visual Studio.]
> 
> 
> "The GUI looks easier than it is--full marks go to the menu bars for total confusion."
> 
> [Translation: What were they thinking when they came up with the ridiculous tool bar system?]
> 
> 
> "As with other graphical IDEs, you can drag and drop components directly onto your window and manipulate them visually--at this point you're thinking that sounds something like VB.NET.  Sadly, that vision is cruelly shattered when you try to make your GUI do something. Adding functionality throws you into the deep-end, grasping wildly for some sort of documentation to help you out. Documentation there is, but it doesn't help you."
> 
> [Translation: There is ducomentaion, but the design sux so bad as to be next to useless.]
> 
> 
> "The 'programs' you make now that you're a programmer get run through DreamCard Player, which is a great way to burst the bubble of professionalism in just three easy steps."
> 
> [If you want your presentations to look profesional, better stick with tried-and-true tools that you probably already know, like PowerPoint.]
> 
> 
> Looks like some re-think is in order...
> 
> 
> 
>     http://www.xasamail.com/
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> 
> 

From chipp at chipp.com  Thu Dec 23 02:30:07 2004
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 23:30:07 -0800
Subject: AirSync graphics issue
In-Reply-To: <200412222008953.SM01412@minipcxp>
References: <200412222008953.SM01412@minipcxp>
Message-ID: <41CA73FF.2090403@chipp.com>

I agree with Richard,

Please check the Hardware acceleration. To do this do the following on 
your WinXP computer:

right-click the desktop and select properties
click the settings tab
click the advanced button lower right
click the troubleshoot tab
drag the slider to the complete left side
Apply and OK

Now test and let us know what you find.

-Chipp




John Rule wrote:
> It's not just a graphics problem, stand alone apps compiled with any engine
> later than 2.5 will crash when in the 'remote' mode.
> 
> JR

From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Dec 23 02:41:50 2004
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 23:41:50 -0800
Subject: monks demo error -- atten: Mark Waddingham
In-Reply-To: <a0602040bbdefef904665@[192.168.0.5]>
References: <20041223013543.94694930242@mail.runrev.com>
	<a0602040bbdefef904665@[192.168.0.5]>
Message-ID: <41CA76BE.9080507@fourthworld.com>

Brian Thomas wrote:
> ----
> 
> Then Richard Gaskin re-wrote the script he wrote for Monks to create a 
> path. This is the script:
> 
> on preOpenStack
>   put the filename of this stack into tPath
>   set the itemdel to "/"
>   delete last item of tPath
>   set the defaultfolder to tPath
> end preOpenStack
> 
> So now you're telling me that this script won't work in Dreamcard and 
> there is no way to fix it. -- I have to ask Mark to put the Read Me back 
> in? --

If the Monks stack is the only one running at the time, what's changing 
the defaultFolder?

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  __________________________________________________
  Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev

From webmail at xasamail.com  Thu Dec 23 04:47:18 2004
From: webmail at xasamail.com (webmailman)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 10:47:18 +0100
Subject: DreamCard Review-PCPLUS
Message-ID: <200412230947.iBN9lIJJ014862@xasamail.com>

-Chipp wrote:

Webmailman,

Do you have a URL for this review, or is it as anonymous as you are?
========================================================
Hmmm, did you read the whole post? I thought this was a very clear reference:

"In issue 224 (Christmas 2004), Paul Hudson gives readers his insights ...."

Also, this citation makes no reference to a URL, because it was not taken from a website. I would think if you can figure out DreamCard/Revolution, you should most certainly be able to determine how and where to find the review from the specific details given.



    http://www.xasamail.com/

From Signe.Sanne at roman.uib.no  Thu Dec 23 06:09:58 2004
From: Signe.Sanne at roman.uib.no (Signe Marie Sanne)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 12:09:58 +0100
Subject: Umlaut on a consonant letter
In-Reply-To: <149A0FCA-545C-11D9-95E4-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
References: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A9469E5A@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
	<149A0FCA-545C-11D9-95E4-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <41CAA786.6000509@roman.uib.no>

Dar Scott skrev:
> 
> On Dec 22, 2004, at 1:07 PM, Lynch, Jonathan wrote:
> 
>> I have a stack I use to figure out Unicode numbers for various symbols -
>> the one thing I found was that any use of Unicode in a field really
>> requires that the whole field be in Unicode. Otherwise, it gets
>> confused. Have others found this?
> 
> 
> I was just about to send a comment on this.
> 
> I noticed that if textFont of the field is set to "Lucida 
> Grande,Japanese", the unicode method I tried works.
> 
> It seems that otherwise, Revolution tries to separate the n from the 
> combining character and put it outside of unicode.
> 
> It is weird using "Japanese" as the language for the font.
> 
> This now works:
> 
> on mouseUp
>   set useUnicode to true
>   set the textFont of field "field" to "Lucida Grande,Japanese"
>   set the unicodeText of field "field" to numToChar(110) & numToChar(776)
>   put the htmlText of field "field"
> end mouseUp
> 
> Dar
> **********************************************
>     DSC (Dar Scott Consulting & Dar's Lab)
>     http://www.swcp.com/dsc/
>     Programming Services and Software
> **********************************************
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution

Lots of thanks to Richard, Dar, Jonathan and Frank. I now have a field 
exposing text with accented letters and the umlaut at the same time.

Merry Christmas to all the very helpful Revolutionies!

Best from Norway
Signe Marie Sanne

From alex at tweedly.net  Thu Dec 23 06:36:25 2004
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 11:36:25 +0000
Subject: monks demo error -- atten: Mark Waddingham
In-Reply-To: <41CA76BE.9080507@fourthworld.com>
References: <20041223013543.94694930242@mail.runrev.com>
	<a0602040bbdefef904665@[192.168.0.5]> <41CA76BE.9080507@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <41CAADB9.40103@tweedly.net>

Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Brian Thomas wrote:
>
>>
>> So now you're telling me that this script won't work in Dreamcard and 
>> there is no way to fix it. -- I have to ask Mark to put the Read Me 
>> back in? --
>
Yes.

>
> If the Monks stack is the only one running at the time, what's 
> changing the defaultFolder?
>
Nothing - it never gets set in the first place. See the Bugzilla entry I 
mentioned (2294) for the full details, but the important part of it is ...

> /------- Additional Comment #2 
> <http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=2294#c2> From 
> Mark Waddingham <mailto:36degrees at runrev.com> 2004-10-30 09:03 ------- /
>
>Confirmed in 2.5 - at present the Dreamcard Player sets the filename of stacks
>to empty regardless of whether they were local or downloaded (and so in the URL
>cache). This is obviously incorrect and the player should distinguish.
>
-- Alex.
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Dec 23 07:29:01 2004
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 04:29:01 -0800
Subject: monks demo error -- atten: Mark Waddingham
In-Reply-To: <41CAADB9.40103@tweedly.net>
References: <20041223013543.94694930242@mail.runrev.com>
	<a0602040bbdefef904665@[192.168.0.5]> <41CA76BE.9080507@fourthworld.com>
	<41CAADB9.40103@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <41CABA0D.1050907@fourthworld.com>

Alex Tweedly wrote:
 > Richard Gaskin wrote:
 >> If the Monks stack is the only one running at the time, what's
 >> changing the defaultFolder?
 >>
 > Nothing - it never gets set in the first place. See the Bugzilla
 > entry I mentioned (2294) for the full details, but the important
 > part of it is ...
 >
 >> /------- Additional Comment #2
 >> <http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=2294#c2> From
 >> Mark Waddingham <mailto:36degrees at runrev.com> 2004-10-30 09:03
 >> ------- /
 >>
 >> Confirmed in 2.5 - at present the Dreamcard Player sets the
 >> filename of stacks to empty regardless of whether they were
 >> local or downloaded (and so  in the URL cache). This is
 >> obviously incorrect and the player should distinguish.

Wow.  Drag.  How did that get changed?

Local stack files having a fileName had been a reliable part of the 
engine for more than 14 years.

The Player has no debugger.  For this reason it's absolutely critical 
that differences between its behavior and the IDE or any standalone be 
kept to an absolute minimum.

People will not use the Player if it introduces unexpected behaviors.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  __________________________________________________
  Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev


From sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de  Thu Dec 23 07:41:05 2004
From: sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de (sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 13:41:05 +0100
Subject: DreamCard Review-PCPLUS
Message-ID: <1103805665.41cabce14e3ce@www.uni-kassel.de>

Paul Salyers wrote:

<I'm a formal VB user and will most likely switch to Revolution. The main 
<problem I'm having is to make a program web interactive it will cost 
<another $79. I wish Revolution would make a web page object like VB has. 
<Oh-well so far all else is better. I like the more English commands here.

<Paul Salyers

A number of other moderately priced multimedia authoring systems offer "web
objects". Runrev should indeed consider to integrate a web control, too.
Purchasing and adding Chipp's altBrowser would be one way to achieve this. It
would impair Chipp?s ?earned? profit, but maybe he can strike a good deal.

Two examples, which also offer other features some of us would like to have in
Metacard/Revolution:


1. "Neobook" <www.neosoftware.com> 

"Neobook 4" - 199 US$ -   includes a web object.

"Neobook 5" - will be released in January - has improved web capabilities:

"The compiler now supports HTML files! Simply place an HTML file inside a Web
Browser object, and the compiler will parse the file and include any linked
images, other HTML files, etc. automatically. HTML content does not need to be
extracted for viewing."

2. "Multimedia Builder" <www.mediachance.com> includes a web object, too

Multimedia Builder sells for $ 60 US - including a MP3 license and
$ 45 US   without (but with the web object).

Additional features of  Multimedia Builder that would be nice to have in
Revolution (quotations from the website):

"From this version you can place any rectangular object over the Video object!
Video still plays OnTop, but it's now "masked" with the objects placed over the
video rectangle."

"Added "Web Archive (*.mht file) to HTML object and Browser function."

"Integrated macromedia Flash object - you can control MMB script from Macromedia
FLASH!"--

===========

Both programs have a very much usable IDE and a script language - which, for
that matter, of course do not compare to the potential of XTalk languages, but
offer  low-end alternatives for beginning programmers with a restricted budget.

I have licensed Multimedia Builder for use in my programming classes and use it
alongside with Revolution. Since Runrev has given up to offer a free "Starter
Edition", quite a number of students - who just want to have some more options
than with Power Point or Ezedia - choose Multimedia  Builder.

It should also be noted that MMB with its integrated web object and as a
full-fledged authoring system with its low price is a very affordable program ?
and accompanied by a number of additional programs like ?RealDraw Pro? (with
excellent features to produce transparent graphics) or Photo correction
utilities that are also low-priced. Check out their lively website and
discussion list.

Unfortunately both Neobook and MMB are only available for Windows.

--Wilhelm Sanke
<www.sanke.org/MetaMedia>





 				


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From ludovic.thebault at laposte.net  Thu Dec 23 07:47:45 2004
From: ludovic.thebault at laposte.net (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ludovic_Th=E9bault?=)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 13:47:45 +0100
Subject: How fix the bug 2126 ?
Message-ID: <20041223134745360955.GyazMail.ludovic.thebault@laposte.net>

Hello,

the bug of disappearing menus in rev 2.5 seem to be fixed, as i saw it 
in bugzilla.
But how fix it on my rev app ?

I've the last release.

Thanks.

From johnrule at rcsprogramming.com  Thu Dec 23 09:48:57 2004
From: johnrule at rcsprogramming.com (John Rule)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 06:48:57 -0800
Subject: AirSync graphics issue
In-Reply-To: <20041223122545.90D68930233@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <200412230849125.SM01360@minipcxp>


> Please check the Hardware acceleration.

	I did all of this before posting to this group. The consistent
problem that I find (and the reason I am posting) is that the only
application that is giving me problems is -anything- RunRev. Again, I
reiterate, everything else works, RR doesn't.

	I seriously doubt that RR is exposing other deficiencies at this
point (and it does take 'cajones' to make that claim). It would be very
simple if RR was compatible with Windows CE, I could avoid 'remote desktop'
entirely. 

JR



From fde101 at fjrhome.net  Thu Dec 23 10:29:05 2004
From: fde101 at fjrhome.net (Frank D. Engel, Jr.)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 10:29:05 -0500
Subject: DreamCard Review-PCPLUS
In-Reply-To: <20041222225500.39639.qmail@web51106.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20041222225500.39639.qmail@web51106.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <61CD8988-54F7-11D9-8F7C-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>

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On Dec 22, 2004, at 5:55 PM, Gordon Webster wrote:
> We should concede them a minor point about the rev
> documentation though. Yes, all the info is there -
> somewhere - but it's arranged more like a jigsaw
> puzzle than a book and when I'm trying to learn a new
> programming language, a book is a whole lot easier.

I like the way you put this.  Yes, a jigsaw puzzle is about right.  The 
arrangement of the Rev docs makes for a great reference for people who 
already know exactly what they are looking for, or are at least 
familiar enough to have a grasp on the terminology.  They make for a 
rather pathetic learning tool if you are not already familiar with Rev, 
or at least with HyperCard or something quite similar.

What is really needed is a Tutorial, which actively walks new users 
through their first few projects.  Not the video things on RevOnline 
(though they are definitely a step in the right direction), but more 
like the "wizard"/"assistant" type interfaces used in some software:  
Step 1: this is what we are about to do (click next), Step 2: do this, 
then this, here is why, then click next, ...

Anyone remember the Apple Guide?  Those nice red circles that pointed 
you visually to exactly what the help text was referring to?  Or how 
about the fact that if you missed a step, the Apple Guide detected that 
and actually helped you to do it, pointing out in the meantime exactly 
what you missed?

(Anyone have a clue why this was left out of OS X?  I think it was one 
of the best online help systems ever created!)

There should be an "orientation" tutorial which walks new users through 
the very basics of working with Rev and rudimentary scripting (on 
mouseUp go to next card end mouseUp), and a series of similar tutorials 
for advanced topics, such as one on inheritance, one on chunk 
expressions, one on the geometry manager, one (actually several) on 
database access, etc.

These tutorials need to cover the topics fairly thoroughly.


In addition to the tutorials, it would be good for Rev to beef up the 
"Topics" section of the documentation to include virtually all features 
of Transcript.  The "Topics" section would act as a good complement to 
the tutorials, to help users fill in the blanks after completing a 
tutorial.  There should probably be a one-to-one correspondence between 
tutorial categories and topics categories:  for each tutorial or series 
of tutorials, more documentation can be found in the "Topics" category 
with the same name.


> All that said, IMHO rev wins hand down!

So true.

- -----------------------------------------------------------
Frank D. Engel, Jr.  <fde101 at fjrhome.net>

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$ true | cat /usr/manual | grep "John 3:16"
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Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have 
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From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Thu Dec 23 10:36:56 2004
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 09:36:56 -0600
Subject: DreamCard Review-PCPLUS
Message-ID: <p06200702bdf0949f431d@[192.168.1.101]>

Well, Mr. Attitude, PCPLUS sounds like a product- is it a magazine, 
newspaper, whatever?? - I've never heard of it and certainly never 
read it. Also it's hard to figure if you posted this to slam Rev? Was 
the 'smell the coffee' part yours or in the quoted article?

So no, the source, purpose and meaning of the post is NOT clear.



>Hmmm, did you read the whole post? I thought this was a very clear reference:
>
>"In issue 224 (Christmas 2004), Paul Hudson gives readers his insights ...."
>
>Also, this citation makes no reference to a URL, because it was not 
>taken from a website. I would think if you can figure out 
>DreamCard/Revolution, you should most certainly be able to determine 
>how and where to find the review from the specific details given.
>
>
>     http://www.xasamail.com/
>_

From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Thu Dec 23 10:49:53 2004
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 09:49:53 -0600
Subject: Neobook and MMB
Message-ID: <p06200704bdf097bcfdc7@[192.168.1.101]>

>A number of other moderately priced multimedia authoring systems offer "web
>objects". Runrev should indeed consider to integrate a web control, too.
>
>
>Unfortunately both Neobook and MMB are only available for Windows.


Well, that pretty much nixes them for me.

so what's the point? These products don't even come close to Rev, 
which is far more than a 'multimedia authoring system".

You are arguing about the modest fee to add altbrowser to the package 
that a stock rev offers today.  Not everyone needs a 'web control".


From serrano.jc at elp-info.fr  Thu Dec 23 10:58:09 2004
From: serrano.jc at elp-info.fr (Jean-Claude SERRANO)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 16:58:09 +0100
Subject: Standalone and Valentina
In-Reply-To: <287FF0E5-5432-11D9-A9C0-000D9337CDC8@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <BDF0A9A1.D13%serrano.jc@elp-info.fr>

Thanks for your quick answer.

I had already test the method 1.
I have tried everything you told me to do (method 2) and it still does not
work. 

The dialog box in preopenstack is always empty.

Best regards.

-----------------------
Jean-Claude SERRANO
ELP Informatique
serrano.jc at elp-info.fr
-----------------------


Le 22/12/04 16:57, ??Trevor DeVore?? <lists at mangomultimedia.com> a ?crit?:

> On Dec 22, 2004, at 3:18 AM, Jean-Claude SERRANO wrote:
> 
>> I have an application developed in revolution.
>> This application works with a database Valentina.
>> The Connection to the database is good by using Revolution on Mac OS X.
>> But, I can?t connect to the database in the standalone version.
>> 
>> Can somebody help me?
> 
> Oui, on peut vous aider.
> 
> When you build a standalone you need to make the database dll/bundles
> available to your standalone executable.  There are a couple of ways to
> do this.
> 
> Method 1: Use the Standalone Builder
> 
> If you are using Rev 2.5 (maybe 2.2 as well, I don't remember) then you
> configure your standalone application by selecting "Standalone
> Application Settings..." from the file menu or the Application Browser
> contextual menu.  From the "General" section select the "Database
> Support" checkbox and select "Valentina".  In theory this should place
> all the files you need for database connectivity in the folder the
> Standalone Builder puts your executable in.  I haven't tried it for
> Valentina but I know it doesn't work for MySQL in 2.5.
> 
> Method 2: Do it manually
> 
> This is my preferred method.  Once you understand how everything works
> it isn't too hard and you can place the required database files
> anywhere you would like.  I'm an organization freak so this suits me
> nicely :-)
> 
> When working with databases and Revolution you generally need two
> externals whether working on OS X or Windows.  The first is
> revdb.dll/.bundle which is the database abstraction external for
> Revolution.  When you call a handler such as revOpenDatabase you are
> using this external.  You can find these files in the
> "components/global environment/" folder in your Revolution application
> folder.
> 
> The second file is the database external itself, in your case
> VXCMD_macho/VXCMD.dll.  These files are located in "components/global
> environment/database_drivers/MacOSX/" and "components/global
> environment/database_drivers/Win32/".
> 
> To begin with you must copy these files in a location where your
> executable will easily be able to find them.  Here is what I do:
> 
> ./myExecutable.exe
> ./data/externals/revdb.dll
> ./data/externals/revdb.bundle
> ./data/externals/VXCMD_macho
> ./data/externals/VXCMD.dll
> 
> Now that the files are in the proper location you need to tell your
> executable where to find the files.  This requires two steps.  First
> you need to set the externals property of the stack used to make your
> standalone so the engine knows where to find revdb.dll/.bundle.  Second
> you need to set the the database driver path using
> revSetDatabaseDriverPath.
> 
> Though there are other ways to set externals property of a stack the
> most straightforward way is to set the externals in the "startup"
> handler that is called when your executable launches.  You could put
> something like this in your stack script:
> 
> on startup
> local tExternals = ""
> 
> put sys_AppPath() & "/data/externals/revdb.dll" &cr into tExternals
> put sys_AppPath() & "/data/externals/revdb.bundle" after tExternals
> 
> set the externals of this stack to tExternals
> 
> pass startup
> end startup
> 
> /**
>   * Set the database driver path.
>   */
> on preOpenStack
> --> TEST: DISPLAY THE EXTERNAL PACKAGES AVAILABLE TO THE STACK
> --> SHOULD DISPLAY "RevDB".
> answer the externalPackages of this stack
> 
> revSetDatabaseDriverPath (sys_AppPath() & "/data/externals/")
> 
> pass preOpenStack
> end preOpenStack
> 
> 
> /**
>   * Returns the path to the executable.
>   */
> function sys_AppPath
>    local tPath = ""
> 
>    put address into tPath
>    set itemDel to ":"
>    delete item 1 of tPath
> 
>    return tPath
> end sys_AppPath
> 
> 
> This code will set the externals of the stack and display a dialog box
> showing which external packages are available to the stack.  If
> everything went as planned then the dialog box should display "RevDB".
> Hopefully this will get you started.  If you aren't using revDB and are
> just accessing Valentina directly using the XCMD then you would do
> things slightly differently.  If this is the case then let me know I
> can explain how to do that.
> 
> Hope this helps,
> 



From rcozens at pon.net  Thu Dec 23 10:26:45 2004
From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 07:26:45 -0800
Subject: Sample Source Code
In-Reply-To: <6.1.1.1.2.20041222170751.02618808@softseven.org>
References: <6.1.1.1.2.20041222170751.02618808@softseven.org>
Message-ID: <a05210600bdf093b0ef1f@[66.52.165.75]>

>Does anyone know of any web sites with sample source code that is free.

Paul: All components of Serendipity Library are open 
source--<http://wecode.org/serendipity/>.
-- 
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Mendonoma Marine Life Conservancy
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From betypaul at arvotek.net  Thu Dec 23 11:06:04 2004
From: betypaul at arvotek.net (betypaul)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 11:06:04 -0500
Subject: unhilite line in list field
Message-ID: <8C3CEEBE-54FC-11D9-9F11-000A95C38590@arvotek.net>

Hi Paul,

> Hi
> My script has a list field where each selection is utilized in turn.
> I would like the selection to be unhilited in turn after it is
> utilized,
> so that as the repeats are worked through the highlights turn off.
> Possible?
> This doesn't work --
>
> repeat for each line mychoice in the selectedText of fld "mylistfield"
> 	doSomething
> 	unhilite mychoice of the selectedText of fld "mylistfield"  -- ?????
> end repeat
>
> but, has anyone  found a way to do this?

Just to see if i get you right:

You want to "unhilite" ALL lines AFTER you did something with the
hilited lines?

Sorry I wasn't clear
I want to unhilite EACH line after something is done with that 
particular line .
The highlights would go off one after the other as the repeats are 
worked through, thus indicating to the user the progress of the 
process.
Probably not possible. I thought I would throw it out
Paul

The you can:

...
repeat for each line mychoice in the selectedText of fld "mylistfield"
	doSomething
end repeat
set the hilitedlines of fld "mylistfield" to 0
...

If that's not what you were after, drop another line :-)

> Seasons greetings to you all
>
> Paul

Regards

Klaus Major

From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Thu Dec 23 11:55:13 2004
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 09:55:13 -0700
Subject: Database Tutorial
In-Reply-To: <000a01c4e8bb$e97824f0$636f0444@stuart>
References: <000a01c4e8bb$e97824f0$636f0444@stuart>
Message-ID: <69DAE302-5503-11D9-A1C8-000D9337CDC8@mangomultimedia.com>

On Dec 22, 2004, at 11:52 PM, Mark Stuart wrote:

> Hi folks,
>
> I'm a brand new user to Dreamcard that needs to access MySQL 
> databases, and
> I need a tutorial to guide me thru the steps of building an example
> application.

Hi Mark,

I have a library at my site 
<http://mangomultimedia.com/developer/revolution/index.html> which 
makes dealing with databases in Revolution a little easier (at least 
for me).  There is an article that introduces the library and a sample 
Revolution stack that shows how to use it.  It is just a really basic 
recipe program but may give you some ideas.  It doesn't cover 
everything you mentioned but I would be happy to answer any questions 
you may have about databases and Rev.


-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Multimedia
trevor at mangomultimedia.com


From klaus at major-k.de  Thu Dec 23 11:57:07 2004
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 17:57:07 +0100
Subject: unhilite line in list field
In-Reply-To: <8C3CEEBE-54FC-11D9-9F11-000A95C38590@arvotek.net>
References: <8C3CEEBE-54FC-11D9-9F11-000A95C38590@arvotek.net>
Message-ID: <AE21A497-5503-11D9-978C-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>

Hi Paul,

>>> Hi
>>> My script has a list field where each selection is utilized in turn.
>>> I would like the selection to be unhilited in turn after it is
>>> utilized,
>>> so that as the repeats are worked through the highlights turn off.
>>> Possible?
>>> This doesn't work --
>>>
>>> repeat for each line mychoice in the selectedText of fld 
>>> "mylistfield"
>>> 	doSomething
>>> 	unhilite mychoice of the selectedText of fld "mylistfield"  -- ?????
>>> end repeat
>>>
>>> but, has anyone  found a way to do this?
>>
>> Just to see if i get you right:
>>
>> You want to "unhilite" ALL lines AFTER you did something with the
>> hilited lines?
>
> Sorry I wasn't clear
> I want to unhilite EACH line after something is done with that 
> particular line .
> The highlights would go off one after the other as the repeats are 
> worked through, thus indicating to the user the progress of the 
> process.
> Probably not possible. I thought I would throw it out

Ah, know i understand :-)

Sure this is possible...

...
  put the hilitedlines of fld "mylistfield" into tLines
  put tLines into remaininglines
repeat for each item i in tLines
     ## do something with: line i of fld "mylistfield"
     delete item 1 of remaininglines
     set the hilitedlines of fld "mylistfield" to remaininglines
end repeat
...

Tested and works :-)

> Paul

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de


From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Thu Dec 23 12:29:32 2004
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 10:29:32 -0700
Subject: Standalone and Valentina
In-Reply-To: <BDF0A9A1.D13%serrano.jc@elp-info.fr>
References: <BDF0A9A1.D13%serrano.jc@elp-info.fr>
Message-ID: <35234124-5508-11D9-A1C8-000D9337CDC8@mangomultimedia.com>

On Dec 23, 2004, at 8:58 AM, Jean-Claude SERRANO wrote:

> Thanks for your quick answer.
>
> I had already test the method 1.
> I have tried everything you told me to do (method 2) and it still does 
> not
> work.
>
> The dialog box in preopenstack is always empty.

Sorry, I gave you a sys_appPath function that won't work correctly.  
Replace the previous code with this:

on startup
	local tExternals = ""
	
	put sys_AppPath(true) & "/data/externals/revdb.dll" &cr into tExternals
	put sys_AppPath(true) & "/data/externals/revdb.bundle" after tExternals
	
	set the externals of this stack to tExternals
		
	pass startup
end startup

/**
   * Set the database driver path.
   */
on preOpenStack
	--> TEST: DISPLAY THE EXTERNAL PACKAGES AVAILABLE TO THE STACK
	--> SHOULD DISPLAY "RevDB".
	answer the externalPackages of this stack
	
	revSetDatabaseDriverPath (sys_AppPath() & "/data/externals/")
	
	pass preOpenStack
end preOpenStack


/**
   * Returns the path to the executable.
   *
   * @param  pGetBundleFolder	Set to true to return the folder an app 
bundle is in rather than the full path to the executable on OS X.
   *
   * @return String
   */
function sys_AppPath pGetBundleFolder
    local tPath = ""

    put address into tPath
    if pGetBundleFolder = true AND platform() contains "MacOS" and item 
1 of systemVersion() >= 10 then
		get offset(".app/Contents/MacOS/", tPath)
		if it > 0 then -- 2.4.3 or later
			delete char it to length(tPath) of tPath
		end if
	end if
	
	set itemDel to slash
    delete item -1 of tPath
	
    set itemDel to ":"
    delete item 1 of tPath

    return tPath
end sys_AppPath


That should work for you.


-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Multimedia
trevor at mangomultimedia.com


From BNZ2 at CDC.GOV  Thu Dec 23 12:28:37 2004
From: BNZ2 at CDC.GOV (Lynch, Jonathan)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 12:28:37 -0500
Subject: Neobook and MMB
Message-ID: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A9469E62@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>

If you buy altbrowser, do you also by the right to incorporate it into
standalone applications that are distributed to others, or must the
license be purchased separately for every person who receives the
standalone?

-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Stephen
Barncard
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2004 10:50 AM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Neobook and MMB

>A number of other moderately priced multimedia authoring systems offer
"web
>objects". Runrev should indeed consider to integrate a web control,
too.
>
>
>Unfortunately both Neobook and MMB are only available for Windows.


Well, that pretty much nixes them for me.

so what's the point? These products don't even come close to Rev, 
which is far more than a 'multimedia authoring system".

You are arguing about the modest fee to add altbrowser to the package 
that a stock rev offers today.  Not everyone needs a 'web control".

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From klaus at major-k.de  Thu Dec 23 12:44:33 2004
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 18:44:33 +0100
Subject: Neobook and MMB
In-Reply-To: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A9469E62@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
References: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A9469E62@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
Message-ID: <4E4EBE36-550A-11D9-978C-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>

Hi Jonathan,

> If you buy altbrowser, do you also by the right to incorporate it into
> standalone applications that are distributed to others,

yes!

 From Chipp's F&A page:
Can I distribute altBrowser with my commercial RunRev apps?
Certainly! That's exactly why we designed it. The only restriction is 
you cannot sell altBrowser
to other RunRev users in a way which would undermind our selling of it.

> or must the license be purchased separately for every person who 
> receives the
> standalone?

no!

:-)


Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Dec 23 12:49:39 2004
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 09:49:39 -0800
Subject: AirSync graphics issue
In-Reply-To: <200412230849125.SM01360@minipcxp>
References: <200412230849125.SM01360@minipcxp>
Message-ID: <41CB0533.2070004@fourthworld.com>

John Rule wrote:
 >>Please check the Hardware acceleration.
 >
 > 	I did all of this before posting to this group. The consistent
 > problem that I find (and the reason I am posting) is that the only
 > application that is giving me problems is -anything- RunRev. Again, I
 > reiterate, everything else works, RR doesn't.

That you'd confirmed the system has the very latest display driver and 
that you've turned off hardware accelleration was not clear from either 
of your two posts.

Now that the first two steps have been well covered, how about the 
third:  What did Tuviah say when you sent your crash logs to 
support at runrev.com?


 > 	I seriously doubt that RR is exposing other deficiencies at this
 > point (and it does take 'cajones' to make that claim).

It certainly does.  I used to mistake Raney for being flippant on this 
until his advice panned out as he suggested time after time.


 > It would be very simple if RR was compatible with Windows CE,
 > I could avoid 'remote desktop' entirely.

How are the two related?

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  __________________________________________________
  Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev

From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Dec 23 13:25:48 2004
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 10:25:48 -0800
Subject: DreamCard Review-PCPLUS
In-Reply-To: <1103805665.41cabce14e3ce@www.uni-kassel.de>
References: <1103805665.41cabce14e3ce@www.uni-kassel.de>
Message-ID: <41CB0DAC.9050102@fourthworld.com>

sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de wrote:
> Paul Salyers wrote:
> 
> <I'm a formal VB user and will most likely switch to Revolution. The main 
> <problem I'm having is to make a program web interactive it will cost 
> <another $79. I wish Revolution would make a web page object like VB has. 
> <Oh-well so far all else is better. I like the more English commands here.
> 
> <Paul Salyers
> 
> A number of other moderately priced multimedia authoring systems offer "web
> objects". Runrev should indeed consider to integrate a web control, too.

I just hope they keep it separate, even if they do bundle it.  Engine 
size still matters to me, and it's too easy to add stuff that I rarely 
if ever use -- I'd hate to see a 5MB engine, and stuff adds up.

Heck, if I had it my way I'd like to see QT broken out into a separate 
includable module. I only need it in three apps, and everything else is 
carrying that code around with no benefit to my customers.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  __________________________________________________
  Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev

From tsalagi at elohigadugi.org  Thu Dec 23 13:54:17 2004
From: tsalagi at elohigadugi.org (duane poncy)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 10:54:17 -0800
Subject: Formatting help needed
Message-ID: <20041223105417106539.GyazMail.tsalagi@elohigadugi.org>

I've written this script to format a dictionary entry:

on preOpen
  set the useUnicode to true
  set the textFont of field "Glyph" to "Aboriginal Sans,unicode"
  set the textFont of field "Display" to "Aboriginal Sans,english"
  set the htmlText of field "Display" to "<i>" & the htmltext of field 
"POS" \
      & " " & the htmltext of field "pronounce" & "</i>" & return & \
      the htmltext of field "Definitions" & return & \
      "<b><i>example</b></i>" & return & \
      "<i>" & the htmlText of field "example" & "</i>" \
      & return & return & "<b><i>see also </b></i>" & \
      "<i>" & the htmlText of field "xref1" & ", " & \
      the htmlText of field "xref2" & "</i>"
end preOpen

What I get is this:
---------------------------------
n.
ah dah doh leez dee
prayer; worship

example
doo dah doo dah  see also
gadoliga
adaliga
-----------------------------------

what I should (or want to) get is this:
-----------------------------------
n.  ah dah doh leez dee
prayer; worship

example
doo dah doo dah  


see also
gadoliga, adaliga
------------------------------------

I'm getting CRs where I don't want them,
and I'm not getting them where I do???
Does anyone have any idea what I'm doing wrong?

Thank you.
Duane Poncy


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Cherokee culture and Native American rights.
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From BNZ2 at CDC.GOV  Thu Dec 23 13:57:52 2004
From: BNZ2 at CDC.GOV (Lynch, Jonathan)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 13:57:52 -0500
Subject: Formatting help needed
Message-ID: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A9469E65@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>

If you are setting the htmltext, then don't you need to use <p> </p> or
<br> to create returns and linefeeds?

-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of duane
poncy
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2004 1:54 PM
To: Revolution
Subject: Formatting help needed

I've written this script to format a dictionary entry:

on preOpen
  set the useUnicode to true
  set the textFont of field "Glyph" to "Aboriginal Sans,unicode"
  set the textFont of field "Display" to "Aboriginal Sans,english"
  set the htmlText of field "Display" to "<i>" & the htmltext of field 
"POS" \
      & " " & the htmltext of field "pronounce" & "</i>" & return & \
      the htmltext of field "Definitions" & return & \
      "<b><i>example</b></i>" & return & \
      "<i>" & the htmlText of field "example" & "</i>" \
      & return & return & "<b><i>see also </b></i>" & \
      "<i>" & the htmlText of field "xref1" & ", " & \
      the htmlText of field "xref2" & "</i>"
end preOpen

What I get is this:
---------------------------------
n.
ah dah doh leez dee
prayer; worship

example
doo dah doo dah  see also
gadoliga
adaliga
-----------------------------------

what I should (or want to) get is this:
-----------------------------------
n.  ah dah doh leez dee
prayer; worship

example
doo dah doo dah  


see also
gadoliga, adaliga
------------------------------------

I'm getting CRs where I don't want them,
and I'm not getting them where I do???
Does anyone have any idea what I'm doing wrong?

Thank you.
Duane Poncy


visit elohi gadugi: poetry, software, 
Cherokee culture and Native American rights.
http://elohigadugi.org/

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On a quiet day, I can hear her breathing.  - Arundhati Roy
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From kray at sonsothunder.com  Thu Dec 23 14:15:15 2004
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 13:15:15 -0600
Subject: unhilite line in list field
In-Reply-To: <AE21A497-5503-11D9-978C-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <BDF07563.BE1B%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 12/23/04 10:57 AM, "Klaus Major" <klaus at major-k.de> wrote:

>> Sorry I wasn't clear
>> I want to unhilite EACH line after something is done with that
>> particular line .
>> The highlights would go off one after the other as the repeats are
>> worked through, thus indicating to the user the progress of the
>> process.
>> Probably not possible. I thought I would throw it out
> 
> Ah, know i understand :-)
> 
> Sure this is possible...
> 
> ...
>   put the hilitedlines of fld "mylistfield" into tLines
>   put tLines into remaininglines
> repeat for each item i in tLines
>      ## do something with: line i of fld "mylistfield"
>      delete item 1 of remaininglines
>      set the hilitedlines of fld "mylistfield" to remaininglines
> end repeat

And if you want to start with nothing highlighted, and then highlight one
line at a time as you work with the line, you can do this:

set the hilitedLines of fld "mylistfield" to 0  -- clears any hilites
repeat with x = 1 to the number of lines of fld "mylistfield"
  set the hilitedLines of fld "mylistfield" to x
  -- do something with line I of fld "mylistfield"
end repeat
set the hilitedLines of fld "mylistfield" to 0  -- clears any hilites

HTH,

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com




From hershrev at realtorsgroup.us  Thu Dec 23 14:06:10 2004
From: hershrev at realtorsgroup.us (Hershel Fisch)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 14:06:10 -0500
Subject: open printing with dialog -- Windows equiv?
In-Reply-To: <59DD10DC-5460-11D9-AF71-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>
Message-ID: <B5085809-5515-11D9-AFD8-0030654C1E62@realtorsgroup.us>

Sorry to say , I think the whole printing lib needs to be enhanced. I 
definitely think that every body should give there full vote for it .
http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=1619
when it comes to business applications with out these enhancements you 
are dead........
besides that , its a shame , RR a  tool with every thing to it, capable 
, easy and so on should lack a main feature and an important one like 
this, especially with many competition out there
Hershel Fisch
On Wednesday, December 22, 2004, at 04:27  PM, Frank D. Engel, Jr. 
wrote:

> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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>
> Okay, I finally got around to trying this, but it doesn't work.  I 
> followed these steps as closely as I possibly could, but I still get 
> strange printouts from Windows (XP is bad, 2000 is pathetic), and OS X 
> printouts still look great.
>
> The biggest issue (perhaps the only one left) with XP printing is that 
> text at the right edge of a field does not print.  In other words, the 
> field is x units wide, Rev allows the line of text to be x+y units 
> wide, and the extra y pixels get cut off instead of wrapped.  The 
> field is multiline and other lines below that one do exist.
>
> In W2K (the real manifestation of what some people thought Y2K would 
> be ... though an overall improvement over its predecessors, I think), 
> the printouts show extra blank lines in the middle of a field, some 
> lines wrap prematurely after a word or two, and so forth.
>
>
> Oh, and I just recently figured out the problem with the "Preparing" 
> stack: it was topLevel, and hidden behind my modal dialog (which was a 
> sheet in OS X, so not a problem there...)   Oops!  Fixed by displaying 
> it as a palette.
>
> On Nov 23, 2004, at 12:43 PM, Jan Schenkel wrote:
>>
>> Hi Frank,
>>
>> The thing with formatForPrinting is that you shouldn't
>> change the content of the stack after setting this
>> property to true, or the formatting will be off.
>> So the best option is to set the data,; next you set
>> formatForPrinting false and then back to true ; next
>> you save the stack, close and reopen it ; and then
>> print it.
>> As for your 'preparing' stack not showing up : is it
>> possible you're running that part of the script inside
>> a lock/unlock screen pair ?
>>
>> Jan Schenkel.
> - -----------------------------------------------------------
> Frank D. Engel, Jr.  <fde101 at fjrhome.net>
>
> $ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
> $ true | cat /usr/manual | grep "John 3:16"
> John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten 
> Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have 
> everlasting life.
> $
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From kray at sonsothunder.com  Thu Dec 23 14:28:11 2004
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 13:28:11 -0600
Subject: Formatting help needed
In-Reply-To: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A9469E65@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
Message-ID: <BDF0786B.BE20%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 12/23/04 12:57 PM, "Lynch, Jonathan" <BNZ2 at CDC.GOV> wrote:

> If you are setting the htmltext, then don't you need to use <p> </p> or
> <br> to create returns and linefeeds?

Yes, you need to put "<p>" in front of each line, and "</p>" at the end of
each line, and use <BR> when you want a blank line. Also, in examining your
code you can use (&&) for "concatenate with a space between" instead of (& "
" &), and I noticed you had overlapping tags (<b><i></b></i>) which is a
no-no (the should be paird from the inside out, like  <b><i></i></b>).

So after it was fixed it would be:

on preOpen
  set the useUnicode to true
  set the textFont of field "Glyph" to "Aboriginal Sans,unicode"
  set the textFont of field "Display" to "Aboriginal Sans,english"
  set the htmlText of field "Display" to "<p><i>" & \
     the htmltext of field "POS" && the htmltext of field \
     "pronounce" & "</i></p>" & return & \
     "<p>" &  the htmltext of field "Definitions" & "</p>" & \
     return & "<p><b><i>example</i></b></p>" & \
     return & "<p><i>" & the htmlText of field "example" & \
     "</i></p>" & return & "<BR>" & return & \
     "<p><b><i>see also</i></b></p>" & return & \
     "<p><i>" & the htmlText of field "xref1" & ", " & \
      the htmlText of field "xref2" & "</i></p>"
end preOpen

Another method I use is to put the "<p></p>" in *after* the fact. So while
I'm building the html string, I'm just using returns (I use "CR" instead of
"return" because it is shorter), and then use "replace" on it just before I
send it to where I want it, like this:

on preOpen
  set the useUnicode to true
  set the textFont of field "Glyph" to "Aboriginal Sans,unicode"
  set the textFont of field "Display" to "Aboriginal Sans,english"
  put "<i>" & the htmltext of field "POS" && the htmltext of field \
     "pronounce" & "</i>" & CR & the htmltext of field \
     "Definitions" & CR & "<b><i>example</i></b>" & CR & \
     "<i>" & the htmlText of field "example" & "</i>" & CR & \
     CR & CR & "<b><i>see also</i></b></p>" & CR & \
     "<i>" & the htmlText of field "xref1" & ", " & \
      the htmlText of field "xref2" & "</i>" into tHTML
  replace CR with "</p><p>" in tHTML  -- takes care of all "inner" CRs
  put "<p>" & tHTML & "</p>" into tHTML
  set the htmlText of fld "Display" to tHTML
end preOpen

HTH,

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Dec 23 14:43:34 2004
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 13:43:34 -0600
Subject: open printing with dialog -- Windows equiv?
In-Reply-To: <59DD10DC-5460-11D9-AF71-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>
References: <20041123174340.15157.qmail@web60504.mail.yahoo.com>
	<59DD10DC-5460-11D9-AF71-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>
Message-ID: <41CB1FE6.9080104@hyperactivesw.com>

On 12/22/04 3:27 PM, Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote:

> The biggest issue (perhaps the only one left) with XP printing is that 
> text at the right edge of a field does not print.  In other words, the 
> field is x units wide, Rev allows the line of text to be x+y units wide, 
> and the extra y pixels get cut off instead of wrapped.  The field is 
> multiline and other lines below that one do exist.
> 
> In W2K (the real manifestation of what some people thought Y2K would be 
> ... though an overall improvement over its predecessors, I think), the 
> printouts show extra blank lines in the middle of a field, some lines 
> wrap prematurely after a word or two, and so forth.

I spent 2 days of unbillable time trying to get a decent printout from a 
Windows box. I never could get it quite right.

The problem you are describing is due to the differences between Windows 
printing fonts and display fonts. For some unfathomable reason, MS 
decided to give printing fonts different metrics than the equivalent 
display font (printing fonts are generally larger) so that when you 
print, the edges of the field cut off the ends of the lines.

In my stack, after days of messing with formatForPrinting (turn it off, 
turn it on, open, close, twiddle twiddle,) I finally just left 
formatForPrinting set to false permanently, and used MS Sans Serif as 
the printing field font -- this font seems to pretty much match its own 
screen metrics and printed okay. Or maybe I set the printing field one 
font size smaller than what I was aiming for; I can't remember now.

This printing business on Windows really needs an overhaul. You might 
want to look at the revPrintField script as it does overcome some of the 
problems. If it is possible for you to pass your data field to that 
library handler, it might be easier in the long run.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com

From sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de  Thu Dec 23 14:54:06 2004
From: sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de (Wilhelm Sanke)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 20:54:06 +0100
Subject: Neobook and MMB (was: RE: DreamCard Review-PCPLUS)
Message-ID: <41CB225E.4040606@hrz.uni-kassel.de>

On Thu, 23 Dec 2004, Stephen Barncard <stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com> 
wrote:

> >>A number of other moderately priced multimedia authoring systems 
> offer "web
> >>objects". Runrev should indeed consider to integrate a web control, too.
> >>
> >>
> >>Unfortunately both Neobook and MMB are only available for Windows.
>
>
> Well, that pretty much nixes them for me.


And for a lot of other people

> so what's the point? These products don't even come close to Rev,
> which is far more than a 'multimedia authoring system".


This is exactly what I meant to express with "Both programs ...of course 
do not compare to the potential of XTalk languages". What constitutes a 
'multimedia authoring system' though is a matter of definition, and it 
would not hurt Rev to be put in such a category.

> You are arguing about the modest fee to add altbrowser to the package
> that a stock rev offers today.  Not everyone needs a 'web control".


There are a lot of things not everyone needs - even in Rev. But some 
people - like Paul Salyers to whom I responded - would like to have an 
integrated web object. And I don't think  I was "arguing about the 
modest fee to add altbrowser" - my plea was to integrate altBrowser into 
Rev - I just mentioned the interesting prices of these "low-end 
alternatives for beginning programmers" (my words) .--

At which point there remains to wish you - and all list members - a 
Merry Xmas and some quiet and possibly creative days "between the years" 
- as we would say in this region of the world.

Best regards,

Wilhelm Sanke


From webmaster at dreamscapesoftware.com  Thu Dec 23 14:58:52 2004
From: webmaster at dreamscapesoftware.com (Derek Bump)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 13:58:52 -0600
Subject: Printing Images
Message-ID: <002101c4e929$d519df30$cd1d113f@DOWNSTAIRS>

With everyone talking about printing faults, I figured I should bring up one that I have noticed for a long time (even since MetaCard).

When I print an Image, it comes out all "spotty" looking.  Almost like it was printed on a 2 Dot's per Inch printer (Seriously).

Any ideas on this issue?  The image is usually located within a field, but I do remember that the same thing happening with images not residing in fields.
 

Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software
____________________________________________
Compress Images Easily with JPEGCompress
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com
 

From mark at maseurope.net  Thu Dec 23 15:00:01 2004
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 20:00:01 +0000
Subject: SpecialFolderPath in standalone
In-Reply-To: <20041223170040.B6B0A93023C@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20041223170040.B6B0A93023C@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <3AA61E8A-551D-11D9-A12D-000D93C19756@maseurope.net>

I can't find anything related to this in the archives, so maybe some 
kind soul can help me out here.

I want to write some prefs to a prefs file in the users library folder 
(this is OS X)

I do this:

on savePrefs
put "file:" & specialFolderPath("Preferences") & "/MyPrefs" into fName
put thePrefs into URL fName
end savePrefs	

This works fine in theIDE, but not at all in the standalone. The file 
is simply not updated.

Any ideas?

Thanks

Mark Smith


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Dec 23 15:12:09 2004
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 12:12:09 -0800
Subject: SpecialFolderPath in standalone
In-Reply-To: <3AA61E8A-551D-11D9-A12D-000D93C19756@maseurope.net>
References: <20041223170040.B6B0A93023C@mail.runrev.com>
	<3AA61E8A-551D-11D9-A12D-000D93C19756@maseurope.net>
Message-ID: <41CB2699.90207@fourthworld.com>

Mark Smith wrote:
 > I can't find anything related to this in the archives, so maybe some
 > kind soul can help me out here.
 >
 > I want to write some prefs to a prefs file in the users library folder
 > (this is OS X)

Try this and see what you get:

on savePrefs
  put "file:" & specialFolderPath("Preferences") & "/MyPrefs" into fName
  ANSWER THE RESULT --< see what the engine tells you
  put thePrefs into URL fName
end savePrefs


--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  __________________________________________________
  Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev

From gizmotron at earthlink.net  Thu Dec 23 15:23:14 2004
From: gizmotron at earthlink.net (Mark Brownell)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 12:23:14 -0800
Subject: SpecialFolderPath in standalone
In-Reply-To: <3AA61E8A-551D-11D9-A12D-000D93C19756@maseurope.net>
Message-ID: <79544E06-5520-11D9-BDE7-000A95743F7A@earthlink.net>


On Thursday, December 23, 2004, at 12:00 PM, Mark Smith wrote:

> on savePrefs
> put "file:" & specialFolderPath("Preferences") & "/MyPrefs" into fName
> put thePrefs into URL fName
> end savePrefs	
>
> This works fine in theIDE, but not at all in the standalone. The file 
> is simply not updated.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Thanks
>
> Mark Smith

   if the platform is "MacOS" then
     put specialFolderPath("preferences") into regStatGoPath
     put regStatGoPath & "/text.txt" into stashAdX
   end if

   if there is a file stashAdX then
     answer Yes, there is a file"
     put URL ("binfile:" & stashAdX) into temp
     put compress(temp) into hipR
     put base64Encode(hipR) into URL ("binfile:" & stashAdX)
end if

or:

  put URL ("file:" & stashAdX) into temp
  put temp into URL ("file:" & stashAdX)

HTH,

Mark


From fde101 at fjrhome.net  Thu Dec 23 15:15:50 2004
From: fde101 at fjrhome.net (Frank D. Engel, Jr.)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 15:15:50 -0500
Subject: open printing with dialog -- Windows equiv?
In-Reply-To: <B5085809-5515-11D9-AFD8-0030654C1E62@realtorsgroup.us>
References: <B5085809-5515-11D9-AFD8-0030654C1E62@realtorsgroup.us>
Message-ID: <70C963AA-551F-11D9-8F7C-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>

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That bug already has my 5 votes.  Sorry, bugzilla won't let me give it 
more (believe me, I tried).  Also, that bug does not correctly address 
this issue.

I can't really use revPrintField as my layout is a highly complex 
multipage layout which needs somewhat precise positioning, including 
"tables" and images.

For now, I filed this as bug #2492 (and voted for it).  I guess I'll 
have to work on other parts of the project until this is resolved.

And here we were shooting for a February release.  Not if this isn't 
resolved by then.  It's a real show-stopper.

Oh, and let's not vent too harshly at Rev for this -- even though Rev 
could definitely be improved in this area, it seems to me that Windows 
is primarily at fault here.  Using different font metrics from screen 
to printer is downright stupid.  Anything to make our lives more 
difficult...

Anyone know if it's possible to trick Windows into using the screen 
metrics when printing?  That would be a nice trick.  How about a new 
global property in Rev called 
"alwaysPrintWithScreenMetricsDespiteSillyOperatingSystemConventions"  
(or a shorter version thereof).



On Dec 23, 2004, at 2:06 PM, Hershel Fisch wrote:

> Sorry to say , I think the whole printing lib needs to be enhanced. I 
> definitely think that every body should give there full vote for it .
> http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=1619
> when it comes to business applications with out these enhancements you 
> are dead........
> besides that , its a shame , RR a  tool with every thing to it, 
> capable , easy and so on should lack a main feature and an important 
> one like this, especially with many competition out there
> Hershel Fisch
> On Wednesday, December 22, 2004, at 04:27  PM, Frank D. Engel, Jr. 
> wrote:
>
>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>> Hash: SHA1
>>
>> Okay, I finally got around to trying this, but it doesn't work.  I 
>> followed these steps as closely as I possibly could, but I still get 
>> strange printouts from Windows (XP is bad, 2000 is pathetic), and OS 
>> X printouts still look great.
>>
>> The biggest issue (perhaps the only one left) with XP printing is 
>> that text at the right edge of a field does not print.  In other 
>> words, the field is x units wide, Rev allows the line of text to be 
>> x+y units wide, and the extra y pixels get cut off instead of 
>> wrapped.  The field is multiline and other lines below that one do 
>> exist.
>>
>> In W2K (the real manifestation of what some people thought Y2K would 
>> be ... though an overall improvement over its predecessors, I think), 
>> the printouts show extra blank lines in the middle of a field, some 
>> lines wrap prematurely after a word or two, and so forth.
>>
>>
>> Oh, and I just recently figured out the problem with the "Preparing" 
>> stack: it was topLevel, and hidden behind my modal dialog (which was 
>> a sheet in OS X, so not a problem there...)   Oops!  Fixed by 
>> displaying it as a palette.
>>
>> On Nov 23, 2004, at 12:43 PM, Jan Schenkel wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Frank,
>>>
>>> The thing with formatForPrinting is that you shouldn't
>>> change the content of the stack after setting this
>>> property to true, or the formatting will be off.
>>> So the best option is to set the data,; next you set
>>> formatForPrinting false and then back to true ; next
>>> you save the stack, close and reopen it ; and then
>>> print it.
>>> As for your 'preparing' stack not showing up : is it
>>> possible you're running that part of the script inside
>>> a lock/unlock screen pair ?
>>>
>>> Jan Schenkel.
>> - -----------------------------------------------------------
>> Frank D. Engel, Jr.  <fde101 at fjrhome.net>
>>
>> $ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
>> $ true | cat /usr/manual | grep "John 3:16"
>> John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten 
>> Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have 
>> everlasting life.
>> $
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>> Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin)
>>
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>> =MkHr
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>>
>>
>>
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$ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
$ true | cat /usr/manual | grep "John 3:16"
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten 
Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have 
everlasting life.
$
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From hershrev at realtorsgroup.us  Thu Dec 23 15:14:04 2004
From: hershrev at realtorsgroup.us (Hershel Fisch)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 15:14:04 -0500
Subject: open printing with dialog -- Windows equiv?
In-Reply-To: <70C963AA-551F-11D9-8F7C-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>
Message-ID: <316840B6-551F-11D9-AFD8-0030654C1E62@realtorsgroup.us>


On Thursday, December 23, 2004, at 03:15  PM, Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote:

> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
>
> That bug already has my 5 votes.  Sorry, bugzilla won't let me give it 
> more (believe me, I tried).  Also, that bug does not correctly address 
> this issue.
>
> I can't really use revPrintField as my layout is a highly complex 
> multipage layout which needs somewhat precise positioning, including 
> "tables" and images.
While enhancments will be I hope that all of them will be included.
>
> For now, I filed this as bug #2492 (and voted for it).  I guess I'll 
> have to work on other parts of the project until this is resolved.
>
> And here we were shooting for a February release.  Not if this isn't 
> resolved by then.  It's a real show-stopper.
>
> Oh, and let's not vent too harshly at Rev for this -- even though Rev 
> could definitely be improved in this area, it seems to me that Windows 
> is primarily at fault here.  Using different font metrics from screen 
> to printer is downright stupid.  Anything to make our lives more 
> difficult...
>
> Anyone know if it's possible to trick Windows into using the screen 
> metrics when printing?  That would be a nice trick.  How about a new 
> global property in Rev called 
> "alwaysPrintWithScreenMetricsDespiteSillyOperatingSystemConventions"  
> (or a shorter version thereof).
LOL..................HA HA, good.
Hershel
>
>
>
> On Dec 23, 2004, at 2:06 PM, Hershel Fisch wrote:
>
>> Sorry to say , I think the whole printing lib needs to be enhanced. I 
>> definitely think that every body should give there full vote for it .
>> http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=1619
>> when it comes to business applications with out these enhancements 
>> you are dead........
>> besides that , its a shame , RR a  tool with every thing to it, 
>> capable , easy and so on should lack a main feature and an important 
>> one like this, especially with many competition out there
>> Hershel Fisch
>> On Wednesday, December 22, 2004, at 04:27  PM, Frank D. Engel, Jr. 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>>> Hash: SHA1
>>>
>>> Okay, I finally got around to trying this, but it doesn't work.  I 
>>> followed these steps as closely as I possibly could, but I still get 
>>> strange printouts from Windows (XP is bad, 2000 is pathetic), and OS 
>>> X printouts still look great.
>>>
>>> The biggest issue (perhaps the only one left) with XP printing is 
>>> that text at the right edge of a field does not print.  In other 
>>> words, the field is x units wide, Rev allows the line of text to be 
>>> x+y units wide, and the extra y pixels get cut off instead of 
>>> wrapped.  The field is multiline and other lines below that one do 
>>> exist.
>>>
>>> In W2K (the real manifestation of what some people thought Y2K would 
>>> be ... though an overall improvement over its predecessors, I 
>>> think), the printouts show extra blank lines in the middle of a 
>>> field, some lines wrap prematurely after a word or two, and so >>> forth.
>>>
>>>
>>> Oh, and I just recently figured out the problem with the "Preparing" 
>>> stack: it was topLevel, and hidden behind my modal dialog (which was 
>>> a sheet in OS X, so not a problem there...)   Oops!  Fixed by 
>>> displaying it as a palette.
>>>
>>> On Nov 23, 2004, at 12:43 PM, Jan Schenkel wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Frank,
>>>>
>>>> The thing with formatForPrinting is that you shouldn't
>>>> change the content of the stack after setting this
>>>> property to true, or the formatting will be off.
>>>> So the best option is to set the data,; next you set
>>>> formatForPrinting false and then back to true ; next
>>>> you save the stack, close and reopen it ; and then
>>>> print it.
>>>> As for your 'preparing' stack not showing up : is it
>>>> possible you're running that part of the script inside
>>>> a lock/unlock screen pair ?
>>>>
>>>> Jan Schenkel.
>>> - -----------------------------------------------------------
>>> Frank D. Engel, Jr.  <fde101 at fjrhome.net>
>>>
>>> $ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
>>> $ true | cat /usr/manual | grep "John 3:16"
>>> John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten 
>>> Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have 
>>> everlasting life.
>>> $
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>>> Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin)
>>>
>>> iD8DBQFByebf7aqtWrR9cZoRAoRAAJ4ysvxA2s6GpEmHfFeEwduxbggrbgCfbHWa
>>> F9uOT9hB2wDOLvqmx/DheSE=
>>> =MkHr
>>> -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
>>>
>>>
>>>
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> - -----------------------------------------------------------
> Frank D. Engel, Jr.  <fde101 at fjrhome.net>
>
> $ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
> $ true | cat /usr/manual | grep "John 3:16"
> John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten 
> Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have 
> everlasting life.
> $
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>
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From BNZ2 at CDC.GOV  Thu Dec 23 15:26:21 2004
From: BNZ2 at CDC.GOV (Lynch, Jonathan)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 15:26:21 -0500
Subject: open printing with dialog -- Windows equiv?
Message-ID: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A9469E66@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>

Just a thought...

An odd work-around...

Couldn't you make an image of the layout that you wish to print, then
print the image?

-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Hershel
Fisch
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2004 3:14 PM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: open printing with dialog -- Windows equiv?


On Thursday, December 23, 2004, at 03:15  PM, Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote:

> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
>
> That bug already has my 5 votes.  Sorry, bugzilla won't let me give it

> more (believe me, I tried).  Also, that bug does not correctly address

> this issue.
>
> I can't really use revPrintField as my layout is a highly complex 
> multipage layout which needs somewhat precise positioning, including 
> "tables" and images.
While enhancments will be I hope that all of them will be included.
>
> For now, I filed this as bug #2492 (and voted for it).  I guess I'll 
> have to work on other parts of the project until this is resolved.
>
> And here we were shooting for a February release.  Not if this isn't 
> resolved by then.  It's a real show-stopper.
>
> Oh, and let's not vent too harshly at Rev for this -- even though Rev 
> could definitely be improved in this area, it seems to me that Windows

> is primarily at fault here.  Using different font metrics from screen 
> to printer is downright stupid.  Anything to make our lives more 
> difficult...
>
> Anyone know if it's possible to trick Windows into using the screen 
> metrics when printing?  That would be a nice trick.  How about a new 
> global property in Rev called 
> "alwaysPrintWithScreenMetricsDespiteSillyOperatingSystemConventions"  
> (or a shorter version thereof).
LOL..................HA HA, good.
Hershel
>
>
>
> On Dec 23, 2004, at 2:06 PM, Hershel Fisch wrote:
>
>> Sorry to say , I think the whole printing lib needs to be enhanced. I

>> definitely think that every body should give there full vote for it .
>> http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=1619
>> when it comes to business applications with out these enhancements 
>> you are dead........
>> besides that , its a shame , RR a  tool with every thing to it, 
>> capable , easy and so on should lack a main feature and an important 
>> one like this, especially with many competition out there
>> Hershel Fisch
>> On Wednesday, December 22, 2004, at 04:27  PM, Frank D. Engel, Jr. 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>>> Hash: SHA1
>>>
>>> Okay, I finally got around to trying this, but it doesn't work.  I 
>>> followed these steps as closely as I possibly could, but I still get

>>> strange printouts from Windows (XP is bad, 2000 is pathetic), and OS

>>> X printouts still look great.
>>>
>>> The biggest issue (perhaps the only one left) with XP printing is 
>>> that text at the right edge of a field does not print.  In other 
>>> words, the field is x units wide, Rev allows the line of text to be 
>>> x+y units wide, and the extra y pixels get cut off instead of 
>>> wrapped.  The field is multiline and other lines below that one do 
>>> exist.
>>>
>>> In W2K (the real manifestation of what some people thought Y2K would

>>> be ... though an overall improvement over its predecessors, I 
>>> think), the printouts show extra blank lines in the middle of a 
>>> field, some lines wrap prematurely after a word or two, and so >>>
forth.
>>>
>>>
>>> Oh, and I just recently figured out the problem with the "Preparing"

>>> stack: it was topLevel, and hidden behind my modal dialog (which was

>>> a sheet in OS X, so not a problem there...)   Oops!  Fixed by 
>>> displaying it as a palette.
>>>
>>> On Nov 23, 2004, at 12:43 PM, Jan Schenkel wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Frank,
>>>>
>>>> The thing with formatForPrinting is that you shouldn't
>>>> change the content of the stack after setting this
>>>> property to true, or the formatting will be off.
>>>> So the best option is to set the data,; next you set
>>>> formatForPrinting false and then back to true ; next
>>>> you save the stack, close and reopen it ; and then
>>>> print it.
>>>> As for your 'preparing' stack not showing up : is it
>>>> possible you're running that part of the script inside
>>>> a lock/unlock screen pair ?
>>>>
>>>> Jan Schenkel.
>>> - -----------------------------------------------------------
>>> Frank D. Engel, Jr.  <fde101 at fjrhome.net>
>>>
>>> $ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
>>> $ true | cat /usr/manual | grep "John 3:16"
>>> John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten

>>> Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have 
>>> everlasting life.
>>> $
>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
>>> Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin)
>>>
>>> iD8DBQFByebf7aqtWrR9cZoRAoRAAJ4ysvxA2s6GpEmHfFeEwduxbggrbgCfbHWa
>>> F9uOT9hB2wDOLvqmx/DheSE=
>>> =MkHr
>>> -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
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>>
> - -----------------------------------------------------------
> Frank D. Engel, Jr.  <fde101 at fjrhome.net>
>
> $ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
> $ true | cat /usr/manual | grep "John 3:16"
> John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten 
> Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have 
> everlasting life.
> $
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
> Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin)
>
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> gQ95HNhFeAUoJ5l5OzUbhws=
> =dDcS
> -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
>
>
>
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From fde101 at fjrhome.net  Thu Dec 23 15:27:32 2004
From: fde101 at fjrhome.net (Frank D. Engel, Jr.)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 15:27:32 -0500
Subject: open printing with dialog -- Windows equiv?
In-Reply-To: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A9469E66@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
References: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A9469E66@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
Message-ID: <12DE4658-5521-11D9-8F7C-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>

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It would be very slow, particularly with a PostScript laser printer 
(like mine), but it has some real merit as a temporary work-around.  
I'll definitely give that a try.

On Dec 23, 2004, at 3:26 PM, Lynch, Jonathan wrote:

> Just a thought...
>
> An odd work-around...
>
> Couldn't you make an image of the layout that you wish to print, then
> print the image?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
> [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Hershel
> Fisch
> Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2004 3:14 PM
> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: Re: open printing with dialog -- Windows equiv?
>
>
> On Thursday, December 23, 2004, at 03:15  PM, Frank D. Engel, Jr. 
> wrote:
>
>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>> Hash: SHA1
>>
>> That bug already has my 5 votes.  Sorry, bugzilla won't let me give it
>
>> more (believe me, I tried).  Also, that bug does not correctly address
>
>> this issue.
>>
>> I can't really use revPrintField as my layout is a highly complex
>> multipage layout which needs somewhat precise positioning, including
>> "tables" and images.
> While enhancments will be I hope that all of them will be included.
>>
>> For now, I filed this as bug #2492 (and voted for it).  I guess I'll
>> have to work on other parts of the project until this is resolved.
>>
>> And here we were shooting for a February release.  Not if this isn't
>> resolved by then.  It's a real show-stopper.
>>
>> Oh, and let's not vent too harshly at Rev for this -- even though Rev
>> could definitely be improved in this area, it seems to me that Windows
>
>> is primarily at fault here.  Using different font metrics from screen
>> to printer is downright stupid.  Anything to make our lives more
>> difficult...
>>
>> Anyone know if it's possible to trick Windows into using the screen
>> metrics when printing?  That would be a nice trick.  How about a new
>> global property in Rev called
>> "alwaysPrintWithScreenMetricsDespiteSillyOperatingSystemConventions"
>> (or a shorter version thereof).
> LOL..................HA HA, good.
> Hershel
>>
>>
>>
>> On Dec 23, 2004, at 2:06 PM, Hershel Fisch wrote:
>>
>>> Sorry to say , I think the whole printing lib needs to be enhanced. I
>
>>> definitely think that every body should give there full vote for it .
>>> http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=1619
>>> when it comes to business applications with out these enhancements
>>> you are dead........
>>> besides that , its a shame , RR a  tool with every thing to it,
>>> capable , easy and so on should lack a main feature and an important
>>> one like this, especially with many competition out there
>>> Hershel Fisch
>>> On Wednesday, December 22, 2004, at 04:27  PM, Frank D. Engel, Jr.
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>>>> Hash: SHA1
>>>>
>>>> Okay, I finally got around to trying this, but it doesn't work.  I
>>>> followed these steps as closely as I possibly could, but I still get
>
>>>> strange printouts from Windows (XP is bad, 2000 is pathetic), and OS
>
>>>> X printouts still look great.
>>>>
>>>> The biggest issue (perhaps the only one left) with XP printing is
>>>> that text at the right edge of a field does not print.  In other
>>>> words, the field is x units wide, Rev allows the line of text to be
>>>> x+y units wide, and the extra y pixels get cut off instead of
>>>> wrapped.  The field is multiline and other lines below that one do
>>>> exist.
>>>>
>>>> In W2K (the real manifestation of what some people thought Y2K would
>
>>>> be ... though an overall improvement over its predecessors, I
>>>> think), the printouts show extra blank lines in the middle of a
>>>> field, some lines wrap prematurely after a word or two, and so >>>
> forth.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Oh, and I just recently figured out the problem with the "Preparing"
>
>>>> stack: it was topLevel, and hidden behind my modal dialog (which was
>
>>>> a sheet in OS X, so not a problem there...)   Oops!  Fixed by
>>>> displaying it as a palette.
>>>>
>>>> On Nov 23, 2004, at 12:43 PM, Jan Schenkel wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Frank,
>>>>>
>>>>> The thing with formatForPrinting is that you shouldn't
>>>>> change the content of the stack after setting this
>>>>> property to true, or the formatting will be off.
>>>>> So the best option is to set the data,; next you set
>>>>> formatForPrinting false and then back to true ; next
>>>>> you save the stack, close and reopen it ; and then
>>>>> print it.
>>>>> As for your 'preparing' stack not showing up : is it
>>>>> possible you're running that part of the script inside
>>>>> a lock/unlock screen pair ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Jan Schenkel.
>>>> - -----------------------------------------------------------
>>>> Frank D. Engel, Jr.  <fde101 at fjrhome.net>
>>>>
>>>> $ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
>>>> $ true | cat /usr/manual | grep "John 3:16"
>>>> John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten
>
>>>> Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have
>>>> everlasting life.
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>> $ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
>> $ true | cat /usr/manual | grep "John 3:16"
>> John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten
>> Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have
>> everlasting life.
>> $
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>> Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin)
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$ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
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John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten 
Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have 
everlasting life.
$
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From alex at tweedly.net  Thu Dec 23 15:42:57 2004
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 20:42:57 +0000
Subject: Script local variables and initialization.
Message-ID: <41CB2DD1.4040001@tweedly.net>

I think I've discovered something, but if possible I'd like it to be 
confirmed (or alternatively, to know that I'm wrong, and then I can go 
back to debugging).

I have some script local variables, used in multiple handlers within the 
card script. I expected them to be reset at start up, and to retain 
their values from then on - but it appears that they are in fact reset 
before openCard.

(i.e. I call one of the handlers within the card script from 
preOpenStack, that sets an initial value, but that value appears to be 
lost.  I know it's probably a bad idea to call a card handler from 
preOpenStack, and I'll be changing that anyway - but it would be 
reassuring to know that this unconfirmed theory is correct.)

The docs are a bit vague

> The value of a script local variable is retained between handlers, but 
> is lost when you quit the application, when you close the stack 
> (unless its destroyStack property is false), or when the script is 
> re-compiled.

which doesn't really mention start-up conditions.

Thanks
-- Alex.




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From webmail at xasamail.com  Thu Dec 23 15:51:14 2004
From: webmail at xasamail.com (webmail at xasamail.com)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 22:51:14 +0200
Subject: DreamCard Review-PCPLUS
Message-ID: <20041223204752.3236D34782@sa7.bezeqint.net>

Let the flames begin!!

"Flame, flame, burning hot
Rise up now and scorch the lot.
Let the stench of flesh a-burning
Leave them all with stomachs churning."

WOW! Talk about the pot calling the kettle black! Looks like a lump of coal in your stocking this Christmas--HO-HO-HO!

If  "issue 224" isn't sufficient to clue you in to it being a publication of some type, you might as well just skip over the whole post. You could have spent your time doing a Google search rather than ranting at me. I stand by my statement in the prior post: "I would think if you can figure out DreamCard/Revolution, you should most certainly be able to determine how and where to find the review from the specific details given." I suspect from your rant that you wear blinders to all things non-Mac. Doesn't a title like PCPLUS tip you off this must be non-mac oriented?

As for the purpose, no point in even commenting on that, because people (hmm, looks like your are a good example)  on this list distort things so much that even when purpose is  stated, a wide selection of interpretations abound. So, take it and put whatever spin YOU feel like--negative, neutral, positive--no matter.

webmailman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>Stephen Barncard said:
Well, Mr. Attitude, PCPLUS sounds like a product- is it a magazine, newspaper, whatever?? - I've never heard of it and certainly never read it. Also it's hard to figure if you posted this to slam Rev? Was the 'smell the coffee' part yours or in the quoted article?

So no, the source, purpose and meaning of the post is NOT clear.




From BNZ2 at CDC.GOV  Thu Dec 23 15:54:48 2004
From: BNZ2 at CDC.GOV (Lynch, Jonathan)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 15:54:48 -0500
Subject: DreamCard Review-PCPLUS
Message-ID: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A9469E67@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>

Maybe we just don't wish to waste time playing detective - do you really
have nothing better to do than taunt?

COUGH,COUGHgetalifeCOUGH

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Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2004 3:51 PM
To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
Subject: DreamCard Review-PCPLUS

Let the flames begin!!

"Flame, flame, burning hot
Rise up now and scorch the lot.
Let the stench of flesh a-burning
Leave them all with stomachs churning."

WOW! Talk about the pot calling the kettle black! Looks like a lump of
coal in your stocking this Christmas--HO-HO-HO!

If  "issue 224" isn't sufficient to clue you in to it being a
publication of some type, you might as well just skip over the whole
post. You could have spent your time doing a Google search rather than
ranting at me. I stand by my statement in the prior post: "I would think
if you can figure out DreamCard/Revolution, you should most certainly be
able to determine how and where to find the review from the specific
details given." I suspect from your rant that you wear blinders to all
things non-Mac. Doesn't a title like PCPLUS tip you off this must be
non-mac oriented?

As for the purpose, no point in even commenting on that, because people
(hmm, looks like your are a good example)  on this list distort things
so much that even when purpose is  stated, a wide selection of
interpretations abound. So, take it and put whatever spin YOU feel
like--negative, neutral, positive--no matter.

webmailman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>Stephen Barncard said:
Well, Mr. Attitude, PCPLUS sounds like a product- is it a magazine,
newspaper, whatever?? - I've never heard of it and certainly never read
it. Also it's hard to figure if you posted this to slam Rev? Was the
'smell the coffee' part yours or in the quoted article?

So no, the source, purpose and meaning of the post is NOT clear.



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From dsc at swcp.com  Thu Dec 23 15:59:30 2004
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 13:59:30 -0700
Subject: Script local variables and initialization.
In-Reply-To: <41CB2DD1.4040001@tweedly.net>
References: <41CB2DD1.4040001@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <8A29ED85-5525-11D9-9730-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>


On Dec 23, 2004, at 1:42 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote:

> The docs are a bit vague
>
>> The value of a script local variable is retained between handlers, 
>> but is lost when you quit the application, when you close the stack 
>> (unless its destroyStack property is false), or when the script is 
>> re-compiled.
>
> which doesn't really mention start-up conditions.

The key word might be "re-compiled".

I would have thought that it would be re-compiled only once and that at 
first use.

Here is a way to find out if it is being compiled twice and when.  Use 
a later version and put in a new command in the script.  Then open the 
stack on an earlier version that doesn't have the command.  You will 
get an error when it compiles.  If it really compiles twice, then you 
will get it twice.

It may be that your send or call fails.

Dar
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From ps1 at softseven.org  Thu Dec 23 15:57:28 2004
From: ps1 at softseven.org (Paul Salyers)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 14:57:28 -0600
Subject: if dir exist
In-Reply-To: <41CB2DD1.4040001@tweedly.net>
References: <41CB2DD1.4040001@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <6.1.1.1.2.20041223145012.0267d0a0@softseven.org>




I'm trying to get out on VB thinking and into Rev

I searched under exist and fount nothing. Can some1 help with this code?

It checks to see if c:\winnt\ exist if so then it works from that director, 
else it works from the c:\windows\ directory

This is one of the headaches that programmers can thank Billy Boy for.

Maybe there is a better way in Rev, if so I don't know about it. *

Dire = Dir("c:\winnt\", vbDirectory)
If Dire <> "" Then
Dire = "c:\winnt\"
Else
Dire = "c:\Windows\"
End If


Paul Salyers
PS1 - Senior Rep.
PS1 at softseven.org 


From alex at tweedly.net  Thu Dec 23 16:11:05 2004
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 21:11:05 +0000
Subject: if dir exist
In-Reply-To: <6.1.1.1.2.20041223145012.0267d0a0@softseven.org>
References: <41CB2DD1.4040001@tweedly.net>
	<6.1.1.1.2.20041223145012.0267d0a0@softseven.org>
Message-ID: <41CB3469.4080306@tweedly.net>

Paul Salyers wrote:

> I'm trying to get out on VB thinking and into Rev
>
> I searched under exist and fount nothing. Can some1 help with this code?
>
What you need is the    "there is a" operator.

if there is a folder "C:\winnt" then
 etc.

There may be a better way - but please check it first (I only have WinXP 
on hand ...)

   specialFolderpath("System")

-- Alex.


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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Dec 23 16:25:11 2004
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 13:25:11 -0800
Subject: if dir exist
In-Reply-To: <6.1.1.1.2.20041223145012.0267d0a0@softseven.org>
References: <41CB2DD1.4040001@tweedly.net>
	<6.1.1.1.2.20041223145012.0267d0a0@softseven.org>
Message-ID: <41CB37B7.4070209@fourthworld.com>

On the use-rev list Paul Salyers wrote:
> I'm trying to get out on VB thinking and into Rev
> 
> I searched under exist and fount nothing. Can some1 help with this code?

Hmmm.... this is another interesting search anomaly.

Had you searched for the English singular verb form "exists" (e.g. "if 
this exists then...") you would have found the "exists" function.  While 
that function only tests the existence of objects, it has a See Also 
item that points to the "there is" operator for files and folders.

But since "exist" is a substring of "exists", it would be nice if there 
was a substring option to compliment the whole-word search apparently 
driving the docs now.

Yesterday's search was similar:  you had searched for "keyPress", which 
is a programmer term, but had you searched for the English phrase "key 
press" you would have found what you were looking for quickly.

As we explore the strengths and weaknesses of the docs' Search tool 
here, I'm taking notes and passing them along to those who might be able 
to improve its results. So please keep 'em coming:  anytime you don't 
find something easily, dropping a note here not only gets you the answer 
but also makes folks aware of ways to improve the usefulness of the docs.

In the meantime, perhaps one general rule these searches suggest for 
better results is to try the common English form of a phrase when the VB 
  term doesn't turn up what you'd expect.

Thanks for the post.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  __________________________________________________
  Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev

From mark at maseurope.net  Thu Dec 23 16:27:57 2004
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 21:27:57 +0000
Subject: SpecialFolderPath in standalone 
In-Reply-To: <20041223201907.8812C93028E@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20041223201907.8812C93028E@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <83D2CAEF-5529-11D9-8917-000D93C19756@maseurope.net>

Thanks Richard and Mark.
Further investigation following your suggestions shows that the problem 
is not what I thought. In fact the special folder path stuff works 
fine, it's the XML stuff that builds the prefs that's screwing up. 
Since it works fine in the IDE , and I'm including the XML library in 
the standalone build, I'm still mystified...

Further investigations....


Thanks,

Mark Smith


From mark at maseurope.net  Thu Dec 23 16:51:10 2004
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 21:51:10 +0000
Subject: SpecialFolderPath in standalone
In-Reply-To: <20041223201907.8812C93028E@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20041223201907.8812C93028E@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <C1E93CD2-552C-11D9-B6F3-000D93C19756@maseurope.net>

Following on, I remembered seeing something on the list about Rev 2.5 
not building correctly, so I built the standalone with Rev 2.2.

Hey presto! All works.

This seems to suggest that 2.5 is not attaching libraries properly, (or 
at all). Has this been bugzilla'd?

Thanks for the suggestions,


Mark Smith


From dsc at swcp.com  Thu Dec 23 16:51:51 2004
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 14:51:51 -0700
Subject: Script local variables and initialization.
In-Reply-To: <41CB2DD1.4040001@tweedly.net>
References: <41CB2DD1.4040001@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <DA300602-552C-11D9-9730-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>


On Dec 23, 2004, at 1:42 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote:

> (i.e. I call one of the handlers within the card script from 
> preOpenStack, that sets an initial value, but that value appears to be 
> lost.  I know it's probably a bad idea to call a card handler from 
> preOpenStack, and I'll be changing that anyway - but it would be 
> reassuring to know that this unconfirmed theory is correct.)

Works for me.

on preOpenStack
   put "pos" into x
   call "setL x" of card 2 of me
end preOpenStack

I would think you can call a card handler from preOpenStack.  Did you 
mean startup?

Dar
**********************************************
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     http://www.swcp.com/dsc/
     Programming Services and Software
**********************************************


From alex at tweedly.net  Thu Dec 23 16:58:05 2004
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 21:58:05 +0000
Subject: Script local variables and initialization.
In-Reply-To: <8A29ED85-5525-11D9-9730-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
References: <41CB2DD1.4040001@tweedly.net>
	<8A29ED85-5525-11D9-9730-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <41CB3F6D.3000304@tweedly.net>

Dar Scott wrote:

> The key word might be "re-compiled".
>
> I would have thought that it would be re-compiled only once and that 
> at first use.
>
> Here is a way to find out if it is being compiled twice and when.  Use 
> a later version and put in a new command in the script.  Then open the 
> stack on an earlier version that doesn't have the command.  You will 
> get an error when it compiles.  If it really compiles twice, then you 
> will get it twice.

I'm not sure if I understood this correctly or not - can I rephrase it 
and you tell me if that's what you mean, or if I got it wrong ?

Use a later version of Rev, and add a newly-added command in the card 
script. Check that works.

Then switch to an earlier version of Rev and load the stack into that; 
there should be compile errors due to the command which doesn't exist in 
this earlier version.

Yes ?  Or no ?

Is there a way to find which commands are recently added ?  Or any 
specific suggestions for commands added between 2.2.1 and 2.5 (the only 
two versions I have).

> It may be that your send or call fails.

Don't think so. The handler in the card script ("Display") is called 
from the preOpenStack to fill in the field values - which it does. There 
is no other call to it except within button scripts; so the fact that it 
has values in it strongly suggests it is being successfully called from 
the preOpenStack - and it is filling in the correct values for record 
number 1. (Also checked this within debugger - and can see the local 
variable starting empty and having "1" assigned to it).

Then when I click on any of my navigation buttons, "Display" is called 
again - but the debugger shows that the local variables are all empty, 
including the one(s) set in the first time through "Display".

Moving the call to "Display" from "preOpenStack" to "openCard" SEEMS to 
fix it - but I'm worried that I'm just pushing some problem into hiding.

-- Alex.


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From dsc at swcp.com  Thu Dec 23 16:59:56 2004
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 14:59:56 -0700
Subject: Script local variables and initialization.
In-Reply-To: <DA300602-552C-11D9-9730-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
References: <41CB2DD1.4040001@tweedly.net>
	<DA300602-552C-11D9-9730-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <FB5B6A36-552D-11D9-9730-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>


On Dec 23, 2004, at 2:51 PM, Dar Scott wrote:

>   call "setL x" of card 2 of me

I also tried send and send in time.

Maybe you forgot to Close and Remove from Memory?

Dar
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     Programming Services and Software
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From dsc at swcp.com  Thu Dec 23 17:09:18 2004
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 15:09:18 -0700
Subject: Script local variables and initialization.
In-Reply-To: <41CB3F6D.3000304@tweedly.net>
References: <41CB2DD1.4040001@tweedly.net>
	<8A29ED85-5525-11D9-9730-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com> <41CB3F6D.3000304@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <4A481B63-552F-11D9-9730-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>

This may not be needed; I tried what I thought you said and it worked 
for me.

On Dec 23, 2004, at 2:58 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote:

>> Here is a way to find out if it is being compiled twice and when.  
>> Use a later version and put in a new command in the script.  Then 
>> open the stack on an earlier version that doesn't have the command.  
>> You will get an error when it compiles.  If it really compiles twice, 
>> then you will get it twice.
>
> I'm not sure if I understood this correctly or not - can I rephrase it 
> and you tell me if that's what you mean, or if I got it wrong ?
>
> Use a later version of Rev, and add a newly-added command in the card 
> script. Check that works.
>
> Then switch to an earlier version of Rev and load the stack into that; 
> there should be compile errors due to the command which doesn't exist 
> in this earlier version.
>
> Yes ?  Or no ?

Yes.
>
> Is there a way to find which commands are recently added ?  Or any 
> specific suggestions for commands added between 2.2.1 and 2.5 (the 
> only two versions I have).

Try encrypt.

If it is really compiling twice you will see two errors, I assume.  If 
you get no errors, you may have a shadow stack (a term I just made up) 
in memory.  Quit Revolution and reopen the stack.

This test may not be needed.  I tried something trivial and it worked 
for me on 2.5 on OS X.

Dar

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From alex at tweedly.net  Thu Dec 23 17:10:00 2004
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 22:10:00 +0000
Subject: Script local variables and initialization.
In-Reply-To: <DA300602-552C-11D9-9730-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
References: <41CB2DD1.4040001@tweedly.net>
	<DA300602-552C-11D9-9730-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <41CB4238.5020903@tweedly.net>

Dar Scott wrote:

>
> On Dec 23, 2004, at 1:42 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote:
>
>> (i.e. I call one of the handlers within the card script from 
>> preOpenStack, that sets an initial value, but that value appears to 
>> be lost.  I know it's probably a bad idea to call a card handler from 
>> preOpenStack, and I'll be changing that anyway - but it would be 
>> reassuring to know that this unconfirmed theory is correct.)
>
>
> Works for me.
>
> on preOpenStack
>   put "pos" into x
>   call "setL x" of card 2 of me
> end preOpenStack
>
> I would think you can call a card handler from preOpenStack.  Did you 
> mean startup?
>
No, I did mean preOpenStack, but this example works for me too.

Darn !  - it seemed like a decent theory :-(       
OK - back to debugging ......

Many thanks !
-- Alex.


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From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net  Thu Dec 23 18:01:07 2004
From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 18:01:07 -0500
Subject: DreamCard Review-PCPLUS
In-Reply-To: <20041223204752.3236D34782@sa7.bezeqint.net>
References: <20041223204752.3236D34782@sa7.bezeqint.net>
Message-ID: <87CEFF69-5536-11D9-A6A2-000A95DA60FA@adelphia.net>

I cold not find issue 224 and any search with "Dreamcard" or 
"Revolution" showed up nothing.


still not clear.

Tom

On Dec 23, 2004, at 3:51 PM, webmail at xasamail.com wrote:

> Let the flames begin!!
>
> "Flame, flame, burning hot
> Rise up now and scorch the lot.
> Let the stench of flesh a-burning
> Leave them all with stomachs churning."
>
> WOW! Talk about the pot calling the kettle black! Looks like a lump of 
> coal in your stocking this Christmas--HO-HO-HO!
>
> If  "issue 224" isn't sufficient to clue you in to it being a 
> publication of some type, you might as well just skip over the whole 
> post. You could have spent your time doing a Google search rather than 
> ranting at me. I stand by my statement in the prior post: "I would 
> think if you can figure out DreamCard/Revolution, you should most 
> certainly be able to determine how and where to find the review from 
> the specific details given." I suspect from your rant that you wear 
> blinders to all things non-Mac. Doesn't a title like PCPLUS tip you 
> off this must be non-mac oriented?
>
> As for the purpose, no point in even commenting on that, because 
> people (hmm, looks like your are a good example)  on this list distort 
> things so much that even when purpose is  stated, a wide selection of 
> interpretations abound. So, take it and put whatever spin YOU feel 
> like--negative, neutral, positive--no matter.
>
> webmailman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> Stephen Barncard said:
> Well, Mr. Attitude, PCPLUS sounds like a product- is it a magazine, 
> newspaper, whatever?? - I've never heard of it and certainly never 
> read it. Also it's hard to figure if you posted this to slam Rev? Was 
> the 'smell the coffee' part yours or in the quoted article?
>
> So no, the source, purpose and meaning of the post is NOT clear.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
>

Thomas J. McGrath III
SCS
1000 Killarney Dr.
Pittsburgh, PA 15234
412-885-8541


From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net  Thu Dec 23 18:03:48 2004
From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 18:03:48 -0500
Subject: DreamCard Review-PCPLUS
In-Reply-To: <87CEFF69-5536-11D9-A6A2-000A95DA60FA@adelphia.net>
References: <20041223204752.3236D34782@sa7.bezeqint.net>
	<87CEFF69-5536-11D9-A6A2-000A95DA60FA@adelphia.net>
Message-ID: <E78F0E2F-5536-11D9-A6A2-000A95DA60FA@adelphia.net>

At the PCPlus website. That was where I searched and found nothing.


On Dec 23, 2004, at 6:01 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:

> I cold not find issue 224 and any search with "Dreamcard" or 
> "Revolution" showed up nothing.
>
>
> still not clear.
>
> Tom
>
> On Dec 23, 2004, at 3:51 PM, webmail at xasamail.com wrote:
>
>> Let the flames begin!!
>>
>> "Flame, flame, burning hot
>> Rise up now and scorch the lot.
>> Let the stench of flesh a-burning
>> Leave them all with stomachs churning."
>>
>> WOW! Talk about the pot calling the kettle black! Looks like a lump 
>> of coal in your stocking this Christmas--HO-HO-HO!
>>
>> If  "issue 224" isn't sufficient to clue you in to it being a 
>> publication of some type, you might as well just skip over the whole 
>> post. You could have spent your time doing a Google search rather 
>> than ranting at me. I stand by my statement in the prior post: "I 
>> would think if you can figure out DreamCard/Revolution, you should 
>> most certainly be able to determine how and where to find the review 
>> from the specific details given." I suspect from your rant that you 
>> wear blinders to all things non-Mac. Doesn't a title like PCPLUS tip 
>> you off this must be non-mac oriented?
>>
>> As for the purpose, no point in even commenting on that, because 
>> people (hmm, looks like your are a good example)  on this list 
>> distort things so much that even when purpose is  stated, a wide 
>> selection of interpretations abound. So, take it and put whatever 
>> spin YOU feel like--negative, neutral, positive--no matter.
>>
>> webmailman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> Stephen Barncard said:
>> Well, Mr. Attitude, PCPLUS sounds like a product- is it a magazine, 
>> newspaper, whatever?? - I've never heard of it and certainly never 
>> read it. Also it's hard to figure if you posted this to slam Rev? Was 
>> the 'smell the coffee' part yours or in the quoted article?
>>
>> So no, the source, purpose and meaning of the post is NOT clear.
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>>
>>
>
> Thomas J. McGrath III
> SCS
> 1000 Killarney Dr.
> Pittsburgh, PA 15234
> 412-885-8541
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
>

Thomas J. McGrath III
SCS
1000 Killarney Dr.
Pittsburgh, PA 15234
412-885-8541


From fde101 at fjrhome.net  Thu Dec 23 18:12:51 2004
From: fde101 at fjrhome.net (Frank D. Engel, Jr.)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 18:12:51 -0500
Subject: SpecialFolderPath in standalone
In-Reply-To: <C1E93CD2-552C-11D9-B6F3-000D93C19756@maseurope.net>
References: <20041223201907.8812C93028E@mail.runrev.com>
	<C1E93CD2-552C-11D9-B6F3-000D93C19756@maseurope.net>
Message-ID: <2B1AB265-5538-11D9-8F7C-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

You can manually copy the external into the 'externals' dir in the same 
loc as the standalone (windows/UNIX) or in the Contents/MacOS folder 
inside the bundle for OS X.

On Dec 23, 2004, at 4:51 PM, Mark Smith wrote:

> Following on, I remembered seeing something on the list about Rev 2.5 
> not building correctly, so I built the standalone with Rev 2.2.
>
> Hey presto! All works.
>
> This seems to suggest that 2.5 is not attaching libraries properly, 
> (or at all). Has this been bugzilla'd?
>
> Thanks for the suggestions,
>
>
> Mark Smith
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
>
- -----------------------------------------------------------
Frank D. Engel, Jr.  <fde101 at fjrhome.net>

$ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
$ true | cat /usr/manual | grep "John 3:16"
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten 
Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have 
everlasting life.
$
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Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin)

iD8DBQFBy1Dz7aqtWrR9cZoRAnXYAKCNezaVL5lMaYYCHPe+KpOpZD6xBgCghhjs
J0lCkWkp+ZzyO8jgxWOqQ74=
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From frank at backtalk.com  Thu Dec 23 18:27:01 2004
From: frank at backtalk.com (Frank Leahy)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 23:27:01 +0000
Subject: Script local variables and initialization.
In-Reply-To: <20041223220450.888E09302A2@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20041223220450.888E09302A2@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <25870AFA-553A-11D9-A88F-000A9580FCCE@backtalk.com>

On Dec 23, 2004, at 10:04 PM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com 
wrote:

> From: Dar Scott <dsc at swcp.com>
> Subject: Re: Script local variables and initialization.
> To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Message-ID: <8A29ED85-5525-11D9-9730-000A9567A3E6 at swcp.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
>
>
> On Dec 23, 2004, at 1:42 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote:
>
>> The docs are a bit vague
>>
>>> The value of a script local variable is retained between handlers,
>>> but is lost when you quit the application, when you close the stack
>>> (unless its destroyStack property is false), or when the script is
>>> re-compiled.
>>
>> which doesn't really mention start-up conditions.
>
> The key word might be "re-compiled".
>
> I would have thought that it would be re-compiled only once and that at
> first use.
>
> Here is a way to find out if it is being compiled twice and when.  Use
> a later version and put in a new command in the script.  Then open the
> stack on an earlier version that doesn't have the command.  You will
> get an error when it compiles.  If it really compiles twice, then you
> will get it twice.

It gets recompiled whenever you edit a script and click "Apply".  So, 
if you've initialized something in openCard or preOpenCard, or some 
other pre or open handler, then edit the script, the variables will 
become uninitialized.

-- Frank

Web Photos Pro: Software for Photo Bloggers and Other Photo Power Users
See us on the web at http://www.webphotospro.com/



From frank at backtalk.com  Thu Dec 23 18:31:09 2004
From: frank at backtalk.com (Frank Leahy)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 23:31:09 +0000
Subject: DreamCard Review-PCPLUS
In-Reply-To: <20041223220450.888E09302A2@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20041223220450.888E09302A2@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <B9EAC225-553A-11D9-A88F-000A9580FCCE@backtalk.com>

The review doesn't appear to be available online, which is why he can't 
give us a URL for it (either that or there wasn't actually a review)
-- Frank

Web Photos Pro: Software for Photo Bloggers and Other Photo Power Users
See us on the web at http://www.webphotospro.com/

On Dec 23, 2004, at 10:04 PM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com 
wrote:

> From: webmail at xasamail.com
> Subject: DreamCard Review-PCPLUS
> To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Message-ID: <20041223204752.3236D34782 at sa7.bezeqint.net>
>
> Let the flames begin!!
>
> "Flame, flame, burning hot
> Rise up now and scorch the lot.
> Let the stench of flesh a-burning
> Leave them all with stomachs churning."
>
> WOW! Talk about the pot calling the kettle black! Looks like a lump of 
> coal in your stocking this Christmas--HO-HO-HO!
>
> If  "issue 224" isn't sufficient to clue you in to it being a 
> publication of some type, you might as well just skip over the whole 
> post. You could have spent your time doing a Google search rather than 
> ranting at me. I stand by my statement in the prior post: "I would 
> think if you can figure out DreamCard/Revolution, you should most 
> certainly be able to determine how and where to find the review from 
> the specific details given." I suspect from your rant that you wear 
> blinders to all things non-Mac. Doesn't a title like PCPLUS tip you 
> off this must be non-mac oriented?


From edutec at sympatico.ca  Thu Dec 23 18:47:44 2004
From: edutec at sympatico.ca (Roger Kenyon)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 18:47:44 -0500
Subject: Adventure Games with Revolution?
Message-ID: <BDF0C350.15D1%edutec@sympatico.ca>

 I can find no dedicated Mac OS X game engine for point-and-click adventure
games in the spirit of Day of the Tentacle, Monkey Island, Sam & Max.

Do you know of any point-and-click adventure games made with Revolution?
General multimedia tools don't take care of the low-level game management
and there are few or no adventure games templates. Revolution has potential,
but I would really like a template.

Would anybody be open to making a Revolution point-and-click adventure game
to guide others?



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Dec 23 19:11:10 2004
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 16:11:10 -0800
Subject: Adventure Games with Revolution?
In-Reply-To: <BDF0C350.15D1%edutec@sympatico.ca>
References: <BDF0C350.15D1%edutec@sympatico.ca>
Message-ID: <41CB5E9E.9060705@fourthworld.com>

Roger Kenyon wrote:
> Do you know of any point-and-click adventure games made with Revolution?

Here's a great 5-CD one with a gorgeous soundtrack:
<http://www.alidagame.com/>

The game was originally developed for Mac OS in SuperCard, and recently 
ported to Windows using Rev.

I'm preparing to do an interview in January with its author for 
revJournal, the Rev webzine.


Also of interest is "If Monks Had Macs", from rivertext.com.  There's a 
text adventure game within its vast collection, but the overall feel of 
the piece is rather like exploring an abstract game space.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  __________________________________________________
  Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev

From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Dec 23 19:28:32 2004
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 16:28:32 -0800
Subject: DreamCard Review-PCPLUS
In-Reply-To: <20041223204752.3236D34782@sa7.bezeqint.net>
References: <20041223204752.3236D34782@sa7.bezeqint.net>
Message-ID: <41CB62B0.2000906@fourthworld.com>

webmail at xasamail.com wrote:
> Let the flames begin!!

I've been rather surprised by the reaction to the review excerpts posted 
here.  While "webmailman" had been anonymous (and likely to remain so 
after the flaming), a simple search in the use-rev archives shows at 
least one prior post from that addrerss on a scripting issue.  So it 
seems safe to say Mr. webmailman is a Rev scripter, not a troll.

As for PC Plus, I can assure you it's a real magazine.  They ran an 
article on WebMerge there last year, and kindly included my demo on 
their CD.  It's one of a good many magazines published by Future 
Publications, and my associations with them have all been top-notch.

I'm surprised PC Plus has been posting articles at their site at all. 
Many of Future Pub's mags don't have a content site (just subscription 
info), as the company is very much print-oriented.  I'm glad to see this 
foray into web publishing, and I suspect that since they seem to be in 
transition getting confortable with the web model it may well be the 
case that they only post articles there once the shelf life of an issue 
has expired (usually 30 to 60 days from publication).  MacTech magazine 
once had a similar model.

The article wasn't really all that bad when step back and look at the 
big picture. The biggest problem was that he was reviewing the wrong 
product: a comparison with VB should be against Revolution, RunRev's 
professional tool, not their more consumer-oriented DreamCard.  But 
given that the word "professional" appears in descriptions for both 
products it's not surprising that he picked the wrong one.

So perhaps it was a good thing:  if a professional writer can't figure 
out which product he should be working with, what does that say for 
less experienced prospects?

This is a great opportunity for RunRev to better hone each product's 
message to help customers distinguish them.

If they can also restore the "Getting Started" info that had been in the 
docs in all versions prior to v2.5 I suspect their next review will be 
as good as most of the others they get.

Note to Mr. webmailman:  please try to not take the response in this 
venue too seriously.  Heck, when MacWorld gave Rev a 4-out-of-5 review 
people here complained about that too.  :)  It's just what happens when 
you're in love with a market underdog.

Fortunately RunRev management seems to recognize the opportunity this 
latest review represents for more effective management of the product's 
message, so I suspect down the road we'll see both the product, and 
subsequent reviews of it, improved.  After all, that's what reviewers 
are for.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  __________________________________________________
  Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev

From edutec at sympatico.ca  Thu Dec 23 19:39:25 2004
From: edutec at sympatico.ca (Roger Kenyon)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 19:39:25 -0500
Subject: Adventure Games with Revolution?
In-Reply-To: <41CB5E9E.9060705@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <BDF0CF6D.15D7%edutec@sympatico.ca>

Richard:

Could you tell me more about the text adventure game within "If Monks Had
Macs". I went to the site, but it is, well, less than lucid.

I am mainly interested in point-and-click adventure games (such as Day of
the Tentacle, Monkey Island, or Sam & Max), but text adventure with
Revolution is an interesting idea. It is bound to be easier to use than
Inform or TADS.


On 12/23/04 7:11 PM, "Richard Gaskin" <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:

> rivertext.com



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Dec 23 20:41:52 2004
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 17:41:52 -0800
Subject: Adventure Games with Revolution?
In-Reply-To: <BDF0CF6D.15D7%edutec@sympatico.ca>
References: <BDF0CF6D.15D7%edutec@sympatico.ca>
Message-ID: <41CB73E0.2020406@fourthworld.com>

Roger Kenyon wrote:
 > On 12/23/04 7:11 PM, "Richard Gaskin" <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:
 >
 >>rivertext.com

 > Richard:
 >
 > Could you tell me more about the text adventure game within
 > "If Monks Had Macs". I went to the site, but it is, well,
 > less than lucid.

Oh, it's quie lucid.  But "If Monks Had Macs" is hard to pin down.

Brian's description of it at the rivertext.com site is a pretty good 
one, given the size and diversity of the collection of goodies on the CD.

As the author of the book "Secrets of Successful Multimedia Design" put it:

   "...resists categorization...acheived 'acknowledged masterpiece'
    status without anyone being able to hand a label on it."

I tried to sum it up in the pages at my own site for Sophie, the free 
e-book reader we jointly developed which is also included in the "Monks" 
package:

    Sophie is only one part of the collection of literary machines,
    interative art and provacative ideas found in If Monks Had Macs,
    a multimedia CD-ROM product for Mac and Windows.
    <http://www.fourthworld.com/products/sophie/monks.html>

RunRev and Rivertext recently issues a joint release with a demo that 
should be available somewhere -- in RevOnline?

 > I am mainly interested in point-and-click adventure games (such as
 > Day of the Tentacle, Monkey Island, or Sam & Max), but text adventure
 > with Revolution is an interesting idea. It is bound to be easier to
 > use than Inform or TADS.

Indeed it is.  Rev's text handling is both efficient and easy to do.  To 
paraphrase Meis van der Rohe, God is in chunk expressions. ;)

The text adventure in "Monks" is a fun one:  in "Meat and Conversation" 
you take on the role of a travelling monk, with the goal of avoiding 
temptations.

There's also a solitaire game, Killing Time, nicely done with a set of 
gorgeously-drawn cards, with coding done by Jacque Gay (who's popular 
Blocker and Klondike stacks she made in Rev have kept me quite busy for 
embarassingly long stretches).

But there's a lot more there:  Jeanne DeVoto contributed some code to 
Brian's exploration of Bruegel's "Tower of Babel" painting, I 
collaborated with him on a personal journal application that's included, 
and all this and more is accessed from a bookshelf in a nicely rendered 
monastary cloister, complete with animated fountain and monk chants. :)

My personal favorite in "Monks" is the Thinkertoy, a wonderfully novel 
way to nagivate among the writings of Emerson and others on slavery 
(there's a screen shot  of it near the bottom-left of this page: 
<http://www.rivertext.com/monks3.html>).

With all that going on it's definitely hard to describe in a quick 
sound-byte. :)


But as for graphical adventure games, I know there must be more out 
there.  As you know Myst was built with HyperCard and The Castle was 
built a while ago with SuperCard:

Making of: <http://www.blueline-studios.com/casBeh.html>
Review: <http://fourfatchicks.com/Reviews/Castle/Castle.shtml>
Interview: 
<http://fourfatchicks.com/Rants/Interviews/Dan_Kueng/Dan_Kueng_Interview.shtml>

But of these graphical point-and-clicks I must say I've had a great time 
with Alida (alidagame.com).

One of the difficulties with finding point-and-click adventure games is 
that even though you and I love them the market is fixated on real-time 
3D, which requires a specialized engine and usually a lot of resources 
to put together.

But there's always room for more -- dive in and build one and I'll play it.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  __________________________________________________
  Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev

From kray at sonsothunder.com  Thu Dec 23 22:14:45 2004
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 21:14:45 -0600
Subject: if dir exist
In-Reply-To: <6.1.1.1.2.20041223145012.0267d0a0@softseven.org>
Message-ID: <BDF0E5C5.BE54%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 12/23/04 2:57 PM, "Paul Salyers" <ps1 at softseven.org> wrote:

> I'm trying to get out on VB thinking and into Rev

Well, as some of us here have a lot of time invested in both (I've been
using VB since VB 3), don't hesitate to ask your questions here.


> I searched under exist and fount nothing. Can some1 help with this code?

Hmm. When I opened the Rev documentation with the Dictionary active, typing
in "exist" gave me two hits: 'existence' and 'exists', both of which have a
tip at the bottom that says "to find out whether a file or folder exists or
whether a process is running, use there (sic) there is a operator".
Unfortunately, the phrase "there is a" is not in bold, so it may not be
readily apparent (RunRev are you taking notice?).

Anyway, using "there is a {file|folder} <path>" is the way to go. If you
know the path exactly, you can do this (paraphrasing your VB code):

if there is a folder "C:\winnt\" then
  put "C:\winnt\" into Dire  -- btw, why "dire?"
else
  put "C:\Windows\" into Dire
end if

If you just want to know what the current "Windows" folder is, you can refer
to the tip at my site:

  http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/revolution.htm?_file010

which shows that the phrase "system" can be used with the
'specialFolderPath' function to get what the current Windows/WinNT directory
is for the given system:

  put specialFolderPath("system") into Dire

This also translates into code # 36, which wil give you the same thing:

  put specialFolderPath("36") into Dire

Better to use a one-liner than to type 5 or more lines, IMHO...

Hope this helps,

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From dsc at swcp.com  Thu Dec 23 22:34:08 2004
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 20:34:08 -0700
Subject: Unicode control pictures on OS X?
Message-ID: <AB9CBA08-555C-11D9-9730-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>

I thought I had used Unicode control pictures (U+2400 up) on OS X, but 
now they don't work.  All I get is a box with ctl in it.  Was there a 
change in Revolution, fonts, me or OS X that changed this?  I get this 
with every font!

Dar
**********************************************
     DSC (Dar Scott Consulting & Dar's Lab)
     http://www.swcp.com/dsc/
     Programming Services and Software
**********************************************


From dsc at swcp.com  Thu Dec 23 23:05:41 2004
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 21:05:41 -0700
Subject: Unicode control pictures on OS X?
In-Reply-To: <AB9CBA08-555C-11D9-9730-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
References: <AB9CBA08-555C-11D9-9730-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <13D8F36B-5561-11D9-9730-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>


On Dec 23, 2004, at 8:34 PM, Dar Scott wrote:

> I thought I had used Unicode control pictures (U+2400 up) on OS X, but 
> now they don't work.  All I get is a box with ctl in it.  Was there a 
> change in Revolution, fonts, me or OS X that changed this?  I get this 
> with every font!

I'm using OS X 10.3.7 and Revolution 2.5.  A control picture is an 
image representing a control character such as the ASCII control 
characters.  For example, numToChar(0x240A) is normally an staggered 
LF.

Dar

**********************************************
     DSC (Dar Scott Consulting & Dar's Lab)
     http://www.swcp.com/dsc/
     Programming Services and Software
**********************************************


From ps1 at softseven.org  Thu Dec 23 23:23:53 2004
From: ps1 at softseven.org (Paul Salyers)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 22:23:53 -0600
Subject: DreamCard Review-PCPLUS
In-Reply-To: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A9469E60@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov
 >
References: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A9469E60@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
Message-ID: <6.1.1.1.2.20041223222251.02649450@softseven.org>

At 04:57 PM 12/22/2004, you wrote:
>So - there are obviously VB to rev converts - are there any Rev to VB
>converts?


Where do I find a VB to Rev converter?


Paul Salyers
PS1 - Senior Rep.
PS1 at softseven.org 


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Fri Dec 24 00:21:35 2004
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 23:21:35 -0600
Subject: DreamCard Review-PCPLUS
In-Reply-To: <6.1.1.1.2.20041223222251.02649450@softseven.org>
Message-ID: <BDF1037F.BE61%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 12/23/04 10:23 PM, "Paul Salyers" <ps1 at softseven.org> wrote:

> At 04:57 PM 12/22/2004, you wrote:
>> So - there are obviously VB to rev converts - are there any Rev to VB
>> converts?
> 
> 
> Where do I find a VB to Rev converter?

Unfortunately there isn't one since the structure and formats of both tools
are widely different. You'd have to recreate your application in Rev from
scratch, but I (and everyone else on this list) would be happy to help you
do that...

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From dsc at swcp.com  Fri Dec 24 01:12:08 2004
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 23:12:08 -0700
Subject: Unicode control pictures on OS X?
In-Reply-To: <13D8F36B-5561-11D9-9730-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
References: <AB9CBA08-555C-11D9-9730-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
	<13D8F36B-5561-11D9-9730-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <BDD31494-5572-11D9-8494-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>


On Dec 23, 2004, at 9:05 PM, Dar Scott wrote:

>> I thought I had used Unicode control pictures (U+2400 up) on OS X, 
>> but now they don't work.  All I get is a box with ctl in it.  Was 
>> there a change in Revolution, fonts, me or OS X that changed this?  I 
>> get this with every font!
>
> I'm using OS X 10.3.7 and Revolution 2.5.  A control picture is an 
> image representing a control character such as the ASCII control 
> characters.  For example, numToChar(0x240A) is normally an staggered 
> LF.

I don't think this is a Revolution problem.  I used both Font Checker 
and Font Explorer and didn't find any fonts with control pictures.  So 
either I'm losing my marbles or something happened when I upgraded from 
10.2 to 10.3.  I remember the glyphs were very ugly, so maybe they were 
yanked from the font I was using.

Dar
**********************************************
     DSC (Dar Scott Consulting & Dar's Lab)
     http://www.swcp.com/dsc/
     Programming Services and Software
**********************************************


From chipp at chipp.com  Fri Dec 24 01:22:01 2004
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 22:22:01 -0800
Subject: DreamCard Review-PCPLUS
In-Reply-To: <41CB0DAC.9050102@fourthworld.com>
References: <1103805665.41cabce14e3ce@www.uni-kassel.de>
	<41CB0DAC.9050102@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <41CBB589.9040501@chipp.com>



Richard Gaskin wrote:

> I just hope they keep it separate, even if they do bundle it.  Engine 
> size still matters to me, and it's too easy to add stuff that I rarely 
> if ever use -- I'd hate to see a 5MB engine, and stuff adds up.
> 
> Heck, if I had it my way I'd like to see QT broken out into a separate 
> includable module. I only need it in three apps, and everything else is 
> carrying that code around with no benefit to my customers.

Well put. And with Trevor's excellent QT external it could be done. I, 
too am concerned about engine bloat. But, as you know, RR has better 
connectors to the engine than we (as external developers) do-- this has 
advantages.

From nrkweto03 at hotmail.com  Fri Dec 24 01:44:48 2004
From: nrkweto03 at hotmail.com (kweto)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 15:44:48 +0900
Subject: finding local IP... on Win98?
References: <C1963975-5330-11D9-A3A0-000A27E40768@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <BAY17-DAV14A1BA05DBE12079DF1B1CB2A60@phx.gbl>

Hello again,

Both methods advised by Thierry Arbellot and Dar Scott worked... on Win2K
but not on Win98SE.

The result I got for hostAddress on a local computer was...

0.0.0.0

.. when I tried both Thierry Arbellot's...

>      put "255.255.255.255:43222" into testSocket
>      open datagram socket to testSocket
>      put hostAddress(testSocket) into theIPAddress
>      close socket testSocket

.. and Dar Scott's variation of using...

> the IP address of something on the LAN that is fixed"

So I'm back to square one, i.e., how to use Rev to find out a computer's LAN
IP.

Cheers,
Nicolas Cueto
(Nihon)

From chipp at chipp.com  Fri Dec 24 02:03:10 2004
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 23:03:10 -0800
Subject: DreamCard Review-PCPLUS
In-Reply-To: <41CB62B0.2000906@fourthworld.com>
References: <20041223204752.3236D34782@sa7.bezeqint.net>
	<41CB62B0.2000906@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <41CBBF2E.7000901@chipp.com>

C'mon Richard, I know it's Christmas, but you may want to take your rose 
colored glasses off for a second:-)

If anyone's at fault for flaming, it's Mr. Anon. Certainly, the points 
you make are correct, but please don't mistake your intimate knowledge 
of PC Plus and their prior business with you, for our (list members) 
familiarity with the same.

Anyone who starts a post:

"Let the flames begin!!

"Flame, flame, burning hot
Rise up now and scorch the lot.
Let the stench of flesh a-burning
Leave them all with stomachs churning."

surely cannot be taken seriously as a contributor of fact to this list. 
Especially when considering he or she wishes not to be known at all. 
(Yeah, I too previously found 1 other post...big deal).

Knowing your reputation for fact and fairness, I believe you are surely 
correct in your assessment of the article, the one you obviously read. 
Neither I nor others have had access to the article. I did (as Thomas) 
Google the Magazine and the Author to find out as much as I could, then 
even asked for a URL here on the list, with no success. As one of the 
few users here with experience in VB, I would like to create a rebuttal 
letter to the article-- and I can't do it without reading it first.

Just as any profession, there are good reviewers, and those who are not. 
I, like you, prefer to do research on the magazine and author before 
deciding how best to reply (or not).

best,

Chipp


Richard Gaskin wrote:
> webmail at xasamail.com wrote:
> 
>> Let the flames begin!!
> 
> 
> I've been rather surprised by the reaction to the review excerpts posted 
> here.  While "webmailman" had been anonymous (and likely to remain so 
> after the flaming), a simple search in the use-rev archives shows at 
> least one prior post from that addrerss on a scripting issue.  So it 
> seems safe to say Mr. webmailman is a Rev scripter, not a troll.

From jamesjrichards at lineone.net  Fri Dec 24 02:45:45 2004
From: jamesjrichards at lineone.net (James Richards)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 07:45:45 +0000
Subject: DreamCard Review-PCPLUS
In-Reply-To: <20041223122533.1A75193023E@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20041223122533.1A75193023E@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <D1EF5F8B-557F-11D9-96A9-0050E400C679@lineone.net>

Hmmm! Google reveals this to be one of the many PC magazines (UK 
based), and the review is not available online. So for the many non UK 
list members not very accessible - tho I guess it may be posted at some 
time.  In the meantime unless someone else buys the magazine and posts 
their thoughts on the review we are dependent on "webmailman's" summary 
of the review. Interestingly the same magazine were offering Dreamcard 
as a freebie, I think, with their October issue, but my displacement 
activity tendencies at this time of year didn't push me into following 
that link...

Regards

James
--
James J Richards

On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 10:47:18 +0100, "webmailman" wrote:

> Do you have a URL for this review, or is it as anonymous as you are?
> ========================================================
> Hmmm, did you read the whole post? I thought this was a very clear 
> reference:
>
> "In issue 224 (Christmas 2004), Paul Hudson gives readers his insights 
> ...."
>
> Also, this citation makes no reference to a URL, because it was not 
> taken from a website. I would think if you can figure out 
> DreamCard/Revolution, you should most certainly be able to determine 
> how and where to find the review from the specific details given.

From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Dec 24 02:50:59 2004
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 23:50:59 -0800
Subject: DreamCard Review-PCPLUS
In-Reply-To: <D1EF5F8B-557F-11D9-96A9-0050E400C679@lineone.net>
References: <20041223122533.1A75193023E@mail.runrev.com>
	<D1EF5F8B-557F-11D9-96A9-0050E400C679@lineone.net>
Message-ID: <41CBCA63.4090202@fourthworld.com>

James Richards wrote:
> Hmmm! Google reveals this to be one of the many PC magazines (UK based), 
> and the review is not available online. So for the many non UK list 
> members not very accessible - tho I guess it may be posted at some 
> time.

Their distrubution in the States isn't bad.  I've picked up copies of PC 
Plus and other Future Pubs mags at Borders, Barnes and Noble, and other 
major booksellers and newsstands.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  __________________________________________________
  Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev

From wmb at internettrainer.com  Fri Dec 24 03:51:53 2004
From: wmb at internettrainer.com (Wolfgang M.Bereuter)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 09:51:53 +0100
Subject: DreamCard Review-PCPLUS
In-Reply-To: <41CBB589.9040501@chipp.com>
References: <1103805665.41cabce14e3ce@www.uni-kassel.de>
	<41CB0DAC.9050102@fourthworld.com> <41CBB589.9040501@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <0EBB6A10-5589-11D9-BD2F-003065430226@internettrainer.com>


On 24.12.2004, at 07:22, Chipp Walters wrote:

>> I just hope they keep it separate, even if they do bundle it.  Engine 
>> size still matters to me, and it's too easy to add stuff that I 
>> rarely if ever use -- I'd hate to see a 5MB engine, and stuff adds 
>> up.
>> Heck, if I had it my way I'd like to see QT broken out into a 
>> separate includable module. I only need it in three apps, and 
>> everything else is carrying that code around with no benefit to my 
>> customers.
>
> Well put. And with Trevor's excellent QT external it could be done. I, 
> too am concerned about engine bloat. But, as you know, RR has better 
> connectors to the engine than we (as external developers) do-- this 
> has advantages.
Well?! No, thats not well Chipp, thats excellent!!
Its exactly what I m wainting and talking about since the beginning: 
The real modular developer concept! Againts th ewe will violate you 
all-M$ starategy. But not only for ENGINE for the IDE too!!
We did not need that bloated Dreamcard, wich is not fish nor meat. A 
real starter tool with a modular ide. That would be the killer app, but 
how many times I have voted for that! I have given up and...
Anyway, thanks a lot Richard, may be once upon the time your voice is 
tavelling to the highlands, waking up the sleeping nessies...

regards
Wolfgang M. Bereuter

T-mapping? is PhotoLearning Mindmaps!
...............................
http://www.internettrainer.com
wmb at internettrainer.com
...............................
Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria
Tel/Fax: ++43-1-479 2539


From klaus at major-k.de  Fri Dec 24 06:15:34 2004
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 12:15:34 +0100
Subject: DreamCard Review-PCPLUS
In-Reply-To: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A9469E67@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
References: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A9469E67@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
Message-ID: <21796875-559D-11D9-B014-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>

Hi friends,

very funny, but it was clear for me within a fraction of a millisecond
that PCPLUS is a (printed) magazine... (No, i did not "Gurgle" ;-)
Especially in conjunction with "Issue xyz"...

But i am just a simple german guy and definitively NOT representative.

To me the (tiny :-) resulting flame war is, to say it clear, 
unnecessary, immature and embarrassing!
For ALL of the participants!

@"webmail"
Your last post HAS a little whiff of overacting...


Merry christmas everybody AND PEACE ON EARTH, DAMN :-D


Best from germany

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de


From Stgoldberg at aol.com  Fri Dec 24 06:35:28 2004
From: Stgoldberg at aol.com (Stgoldberg at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 06:35:28 EST
Subject: Adventure Games with Revolution
Message-ID: <b7.4ddda930.2efd5900@aol.com>

If I understand correctly, the recent adventure game Alida was written in 
Revolution by a single author who did all the programming and art.
Stephen Goldberg

In a message dated 12/24/04 2:04:35 AM, 
use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com writes:


> 
> I am mainly interested in point-and-click adventure games (such as Day of
> the Tentacle, Monkey Island, or Sam & Max), but text adventure with
> Revolution is an interesting idea. It is bound to be easier to use than
> Inform or TADS.
> 


From johnmiller1950 at sbcglobal.net  Fri Dec 24 06:50:16 2004
From: johnmiller1950 at sbcglobal.net (John Miller)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 06:50:16 -0500
Subject: Shortcut Problems in Windows XP
Message-ID: <FA563C7E-55A1-11D9-A0E6-000A95880812@sbcglobal.net>

Greetings All,

I have assigned a shortcut to a button, but Windows XP intercepts the 
command at the system level. Is there a way to give my app first shot 
at the shortcut?

A related question - Is there a way to rest control of the f keys away 
from Windows and assign them in Revolution?


Many Thanks,
John Miller


From mark at maseurope.net  Fri Dec 24 07:10:50 2004
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 12:10:50 +0000
Subject: SpecialFolderPath in standalone
In-Reply-To: <20041224065817.3B1D7930243@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20041224065817.3B1D7930243@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <DA261E6F-55A4-11D9-AA26-000D93C19756@maseurope.net>

Frank, that's useful advice. Will save me some head scratching until 
they fix it.

Mark Smith


From gefisher at mac.com  Fri Dec 24 09:10:24 2004
From: gefisher at mac.com (Glenn E. Fisher)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 08:10:24 -0600
Subject: Adventure Games with Revolution?
Message-ID: <8DEF2393-55B5-11D9-9B1F-0030654DB056@mac.com>

Roger,
>  I can find no dedicated Mac OS X game engine for point-and-click 
> adventure
> games in the spirit of Day of the Tentacle, Monkey Island, Sam & Max.
>
> Do you know of any point-and-click adventure games made with 
> Revolution?
> General multimedia tools don't take care of the low-level game 
> management
> and there are few or no adventure games templates. Revolution has 
> potential,
> but I would really like a template.
>
> Would anybody be open to making a Revolution point-and-click adventure 
> game
> to guide others?

I am currently working on a couple of games that might be of interest.  
They are
not completed yet, but they'll give you an idea of a point and click 
game.  They
are not adventures, but a computerized version of table games.

Use the mac.com link below and click on the "Games" link.

Have fun,
Glenn

Glenn E. Fisher	University of Houston - Retired
22402 Diane Dr.	Spring, Tx 77373
gfisher4 at houston.rr.com 	http://www.uh.edu/~fisher
http://home.houston.rr.com/thegefishers/
http://homepage.mac.com/gefisher

From marty at vertex.ucls.uchicago.edu  Fri Dec 24 09:25:08 2004
From: marty at vertex.ucls.uchicago.edu (Marty Billingsley)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 08:25:08 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Adventure Games with Revolution?
In-Reply-To: <20041224065816.6B39B930262@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20041224065816.6B39B930262@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.58.0412240810590.16122@vertex.ucls.uchicago.edu>

>  Roger Kenyon <edutec at sympatico.ca> asks:
>
>  I can find no dedicated Mac OS X game engine for point-and-click adventure
> games in the spirit of Day of the Tentacle, Monkey Island, Sam & Max.
>
> Do you know of any point-and-click adventure games made with Revolution?
> General multimedia tools don't take care of the low-level game management
> and there are few or no adventure games templates. Revolution has potential,
> but I would really like a template.
>
> Would anybody be open to making a Revolution point-and-click adventure game
> to guide others?

My 8th grade students make adventure games in Rev every quarter.  I don't
actually know that much about gaming, so I'm not sure what a template
would provide for you that you couldn't program yourself.

To get them started I show them Spelunx. Yes, I know it's really old
and lame and much better adventure games exist, but (1) it was made with
HyperCard, which impresses the kids, as they know it's a precurser to
Rev, and (2) we own it.  That gets the the students thinking about the
kinds of things they can do themselves, and off they go!

We don't have a copy of Myst, or I'd show 'em that too.  Or maybe I
wouldn't -- it might intimidate some of the students; Spelunx seems
much more do-able.

I also had one girl who, although 13 years old, knew about the original
text-based adventure game, and re-created it in Rev.  It was really
well done!  (She admitted that doing a text-based game was underutilizing
Rev's features, but she wanted to do it anyway.)

So, what is a game template, and might one help my students?

  - marty

--
Marty Billingsley
The University of Chicago Laboratory Schools

From fde101 at fjrhome.net  Fri Dec 24 10:05:10 2004
From: fde101 at fjrhome.net (Frank D. Engel, Jr.)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 10:05:10 -0500
Subject: Adventure Games with Revolution?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.58.0412240810590.16122@vertex.ucls.uchicago.edu>
References: <20041224065816.6B39B930262@mail.runrev.com>
	<Pine.GSO.4.58.0412240810590.16122@vertex.ucls.uchicago.edu>
Message-ID: <348703B8-55BD-11D9-AF89-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>

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Hash: SHA1

Hmm... what kind of "low-level" features are you looking for, more 
specifically?

Just paste (or draw) each picture onto a card, and put a transparent, 
don't-show-name button over each hotspot.  on mouseUp go to card 
<whatever> end mouseUp.  Done.

Maybe some mouseEnter-type handlers for fancy navigation cursors, and 
possibly some resize logic so that the game can be played full-screen.

As for saved games, just save the name of the card or some such, along 
with any inventory you might be keeping (remember that there was really 
very little in the way of game state in Myst, but of course it would be 
possible to do extensive tracking of game state in Rev if you really 
wanted to.)

Myst is actually a *very* simple game from the perspective of the 
engine (the later follow-ups to Myst have become slightly more 
complex); what really sets it off is the artistry and the puzzles that 
were used (none of which would be difficult at all to do in Rev).


On Dec 24, 2004, at 9:25 AM, Marty Billingsley wrote:

>>  Roger Kenyon <edutec at sympatico.ca> asks:
>>
>>  I can find no dedicated Mac OS X game engine for point-and-click 
>> adventure
>> games in the spirit of Day of the Tentacle, Monkey Island, Sam & Max.
>>
>> Do you know of any point-and-click adventure games made with 
>> Revolution?
>> General multimedia tools don't take care of the low-level game 
>> management
>> and there are few or no adventure games templates. Revolution has 
>> potential,
>> but I would really like a template.
>>
>> Would anybody be open to making a Revolution point-and-click 
>> adventure game
>> to guide others?
>
> My 8th grade students make adventure games in Rev every quarter.  I 
> don't
> actually know that much about gaming, so I'm not sure what a template
> would provide for you that you couldn't program yourself.
>
> To get them started I show them Spelunx. Yes, I know it's really old
> and lame and much better adventure games exist, but (1) it was made 
> with
> HyperCard, which impresses the kids, as they know it's a precurser to
> Rev, and (2) we own it.  That gets the the students thinking about the
> kinds of things they can do themselves, and off they go!
>
> We don't have a copy of Myst, or I'd show 'em that too.  Or maybe I
> wouldn't -- it might intimidate some of the students; Spelunx seems
> much more do-able.
>
> I also had one girl who, although 13 years old, knew about the original
> text-based adventure game, and re-created it in Rev.  It was really
> well done!  (She admitted that doing a text-based game was 
> underutilizing
> Rev's features, but she wanted to do it anyway.)
>
> So, what is a game template, and might one help my students?
>
>   - marty
>
> --
> Marty Billingsley
> The University of Chicago Laboratory Schools
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
>
- -----------------------------------------------------------
Frank D. Engel, Jr.  <fde101 at fjrhome.net>

$ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
$ true | cat /usr/manual | grep "John 3:16"
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Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have 
everlasting life.
$
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From kray at sonsothunder.com  Fri Dec 24 11:50:32 2004
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 10:50:32 -0600
Subject: Shortcut Problems in Windows XP
In-Reply-To: <FA563C7E-55A1-11D9-A0E6-000A95880812@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <BDF1A4F8.BEF6%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 12/24/04 5:50 AM, "John Miller" <johnmiller1950 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> Greetings All,
> 
> I have assigned a shortcut to a button, but Windows XP intercepts the
> command at the system level. Is there a way to give my app first shot
> at the shortcut?

John, I'm not exactly sure what you mean here when you say "assigned a
shortcut to a button"; can you clarify?
 
> A related question - Is there a way to rest control of the f keys away
> from Windows and assign them in Revolution?

Yes, use a "functionKey" handler:

on functionKey pKey
  answer "You pressed F" & pKey
end functionKey

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From marty at vertex.ucls.uchicago.edu  Fri Dec 24 12:57:45 2004
From: marty at vertex.ucls.uchicago.edu (Marty Billingsley)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 11:57:45 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Adventure Games with Revolution?
In-Reply-To: <20041224170020.41197930270@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20041224170020.41197930270@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.58.0412241157040.21337@vertex.ucls.uchicago.edu>

> "Frank D. Engel, Jr." <fde101 at fjrhome.net>
> Hmm... what kind of "low-level" features are you looking for, more
> specifically?
>
> Just paste (or draw) each picture onto a card, and put a transparent,
> don't-show-name button over each hotspot.  on mouseUp go to card
> <whatever> end mouseUp.  Done.

This is exactly the type of thing my students do.  It's really simple
to get started with, and you can incorporate other features as you
learn Rev.  Some of my kids have a room, for example, where the user
has to play Pong and get a certain number of points in order to
advance.  (Or, as one very cute game had, a Winnie-the-Pooh holding
onto a balloon and dodging the oncoming bees -- a girl's take on
the typical "missile-style" game.)  Other students implement an
inventory, where the user can pick up objects that are then useful
later in the game.

Only one student has implemented a game where the game state was
saved -- mostly because I don't teach them about saving to external
text files (because I don't understand the file paths myself:-).

As I've said before, I'm finding Rev to be a great vehicle for
introducing young students to programming.

  - marty

--
Marty Billingsley
The University of Chicago Laboratory Schools

From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Dec 24 13:13:17 2004
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 10:13:17 -0800
Subject: Adventure Games with Revolution
In-Reply-To: <b7.4ddda930.2efd5900@aol.com>
References: <b7.4ddda930.2efd5900@aol.com>
Message-ID: <41CC5C3D.1080402@fourthworld.com>

Stgoldberg at aol.com wrote:
> If I understand correctly, the recent adventure game Alida was written in 
> Revolution by a single author who did all the programming and art.

Yes indeed.  And he's quite a talented musician as well, and the 
unusually high quality of the soundtrack reflects that.

It's a truly amazing work, all five CD's worth:
<http://www.alidagame.com/gallery1.html>

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  __________________________________________________
  Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev

From dsc at swcp.com  Fri Dec 24 13:37:37 2004
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 11:37:37 -0700
Subject: Getting the right font in unicode
Message-ID: <E23FFF0F-55DA-11D9-92CA-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>

When setting general unicode chars through either htmlText (with font 
specified and lang="ja") or unicodeText (with font (& language 
Japanese, Unicode or w) specified in the textFont of the field, 
Revolution seems to pick a font instead of using the one I specify.  I 
know the char is in the unicode font.

Workarounds?

Dar
unicode is unicode is unicode

**********************************************
     DSC (Dar Scott Consulting & Dar's Lab)
     http://www.swcp.com/dsc/
     Programming Services and Software
**********************************************


From ps1 at softseven.org  Fri Dec 24 13:57:58 2004
From: ps1 at softseven.org (Paul Salyers)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 12:57:58 -0600
Subject: Desk top icon
In-Reply-To: <E23FFF0F-55DA-11D9-92CA-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
References: <E23FFF0F-55DA-11D9-92CA-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.1.1.2.20041224125521.02586688@softseven.org>




In VB I have the code to make a desktop icon with the click of a check box. 
By removing the check you remove the desktop icon,  Is this possible in Rev?



Paul Salyers
PS1 - Senior Rep.
PS1 at softseven.org 


From rgmiller6748 at sbcglobal.net  Fri Dec 24 15:40:05 2004
From: rgmiller6748 at sbcglobal.net (Ray Miller)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 12:40:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Is the problem Micro$oft or its customers?
In-Reply-To: <20041222170024.82E9B9301D1@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <20041224204005.77204.qmail@web80804.mail.yahoo.com>


--- use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com wrote:

 From: Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com>
>
> 
> So I have three ways to handle these reports:
> 
> a) Tell them it's conformant with Micro$oft's
> published spec and so they 
> need to get used to it, possibly providing an email
> address for 
> Micro$oft's design team so they can complain
> directly to the source.
> 
> b) Ignore Micro$oft's XP Visual Design Guidelines
> and use their darker 
> background color (the tan behind the tab) for the
> tab control itself.
> 
> c) Use the Gaslight method:  Tell 'em it's actually
> the same but their 
> vision has changed. ;)
> 
> 
> I've been doing a), but as more reports come in I'm
> considering the 
> possibility that the
> enormously-well-funded-yet-still-tasteless UI team 
> at Micro$oft may have gotten it wrong; maybe that
> color is indeed too light.
> 
> So do I conform to Micro$oft and face the wrath of
> customers, or conform 
> to the customers and face the wrath of reviewers?
> 
> -- 
>   Richard Gaskin
>   Fourth World Media Corporation
>   Developer of WebMerge: Publish any database on any
> Web site
>  
>
Richard,
I've always hated the WS doom and gloom colors. If
they've lightened up recently, and that's the new GUI
from MS, then go with it. (Or start a new one: get
crap from everyone!) 

Ray Miller

From soapdog at mac.com  Fri Dec 24 16:50:08 2004
From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 19:50:08 -0200
Subject: Adventure Games with Revolution
In-Reply-To: <41CC5C3D.1080402@fourthworld.com>
References: <b7.4ddda930.2efd5900@aol.com> <41CC5C3D.1080402@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <C789538E-55F5-11D9-881C-0003936D012E@mac.com>

Holy God! I just checked the URL!!!!! This is wonderfull, I am buying 
the CDs right now, that reminds me of Myst....

andre

On Dec 24, 2004, at 4:13 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Stgoldberg at aol.com wrote:
>> If I understand correctly, the recent adventure game Alida was 
>> written in Revolution by a single author who did all the programming 
>> and art.
>
> Yes indeed.  And he's quite a talented musician as well, and the 
> unusually high quality of the soundtrack reflects that.
>
> It's a truly amazing work, all five CD's worth:
> <http://www.alidagame.com/gallery1.html>
>
> --
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World Media Corporation
>  __________________________________________________
>  Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
>
-- 
Andre Alves Garzia ? 2004
Soap Dog Studios - BRAZIL
http://studio.soapdog.org


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Fri Dec 24 17:15:44 2004
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 16:15:44 -0600
Subject: Desk top icon
In-Reply-To: <6.1.1.1.2.20041224125521.02586688@softseven.org>
Message-ID: <BDF1F130.BF26%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 12/24/04 12:57 PM, "Paul Salyers" <ps1 at softseven.org> wrote:

> 
> 
> 
> In VB I have the code to make a desktop icon with the click of a check box.
> By removing the check you remove the desktop icon,  Is this possible in Rev?

If you mean making a shortcut to your application (or any file for that
matter), the answer is "yes". You do:

  create alias <aliasPath> to file <fileOrAppPath>

So to create an alias to "C:\Program Files\MyApp\MyApp.exe" you'd do:

  put specialFolderPath("desktop") & "/MyApp.lnk" into tAlias
  create alias tAlias to file "C:/Program Files/MyApp/MyApp.exe"

Note that inside Rev, all paths use the "/" delimiter, regardless of
platform. Rev does understand the "native" file delimiter ("\" in Windows
and ":" in Macintosh) most of the time, but it's a good habit to get into to
start using the "/" delimiter as often as possible.

HTH,

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From alex at tweedly.net  Fri Dec 24 17:43:29 2004
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 22:43:29 +0000
Subject: finding local IP... on Win98?
In-Reply-To: <BAY17-DAV14A1BA05DBE12079DF1B1CB2A60@phx.gbl>
References: <C1963975-5330-11D9-A3A0-000A27E40768@wanadoo.fr>
	<BAY17-DAV14A1BA05DBE12079DF1B1CB2A60@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <41CC9B91.3000300@tweedly.net>

kweto wrote:

>Hello again,
>
>Both methods advised by Thierry Arbellot and Dar Scott worked... on Win2K
>but not on Win98SE.
>
>The result I got for hostAddress on a local computer was...
>
>0.0.0.0
>
>.. when I tried both Thierry Arbellot's...
>
>  
>
>>     put "255.255.255.255:43222" into testSocket
>>     open datagram socket to testSocket
>>     put hostAddress(testSocket) into theIPAddress
>>     close socket testSocket
>>    
>>
I'm not entirely surprised that failed - using "255.255.255.255" is
something of a "trick", so it could work or fail depending on the OS.

>.. and Dar Scott's variation of using...
>  
>
>>the IP address of something on the LAN that is fixed"
>>    
>>
But I'm amazed that failed. Are you sure :-) ?

>So I'm back to square one, i.e., how to use Rev to find out a computer's LAN
>IP.
>  
>
What is the LAN address that you used on Win98SE ?
In fact - what's the whole output from "ipconfig" ? Can you check that
you can "ping" the server address from the Win98SE machine ?
Is the LAN address you used that of another machine you can access /
control ? If so, could you put a UDP "echo server" on it and try sending
it UDP packets from Win98SE ?

If that works - i.e. you can send a datagram packet and get a reply from
the server, then the hostAddress() function really, really should work -
and if it doesn't, I think it's time for a Bugzilla submission.
OTOH, if that doesn't work, then again we may be close to ready for
Bugzilla - but maybe get back to the list with all the results up till
then ....

(If you don't have a datagram echo server and client, email me off-list
and I'll send you one.)

-- Alex.


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From capellan2000 at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 24 18:24:59 2004
From: capellan2000 at yahoo.com (Alejandro Tejada)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 15:24:59 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Using Md5Digest on stacks loaded in memory
In-Reply-To: <20041224170020.6AA7393027C@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <20041224232459.49290.qmail@web40510.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi Developers,

Recently, i had been working on
refining some of my stacks for distribution
among fellow teachers and i had been 
experimenting with security issues.

I'll like that my player app verify
that the stacks that i send them were
not tampered in any way, so i'm working
in a verification system that could use
the built-in md5digest function.

I could verify the md5digest of a stack stored 
in the hard disk with the following code:

put url "binfile:C:/WINDOWS/Escritorio/myStack.rev"
into zxs 
-- zxs is a local variable
put binaryDecode("H*",md5Digest(zxs),tHexDigest)
-- convert the binary data of md5digest in hexadecimal
put tHexDigest
-- write the results in the message box

and could verify the md5digest of a file stored
as a custom property with the following code:

set the customProperty_01 of the topstack to url
"binfile:C:/WINDOWS/Escritorio/md5sums.exe"
-- i have included the file within the topstack
put binaryDecode("H*",md5Digest(the customProperty_01
of the topstack),tHexDigest)
-- converting in hexadecimal the binary result of the
md5digest function
put tHexDigest
-- write the results in the message box

But, How could i get the md5Digest of a
stack loaded in memory?

This code does not works in my side:

put binaryDecode("H*",md5Digest(the
topstack),tHexDigest)
put tHexDigest

It produces a different result than the
code that reads the stack from the Hard Disk...

Thanks in advance for your help.

My best wishes for this new year! :-)

al

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From capellan2000 at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 24 19:01:53 2004
From: capellan2000 at yahoo.com (Alejandro Tejada)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 16:01:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Adventure Games with Revolution
In-Reply-To: <20041224170020.6AA7393027C@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <20041225000153.77479.qmail@web40504.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi Andre,

I hope that you are recovering fine from
your broken arm! :-|

Andre Garzia wrote:

>Holy God! I just checked the URL!!!!! 
>This is wonderfull, I am buying
>the CDs right now, that reminds me of Myst....

I think alike! :-)
But i'm curious about the name.

Is Alida the daughter, the wife or the mother
of the author? ;-)

Richard, when you interview the author of
the game, Could you ask him about the
name's origin?

Marty Billingsley wrote:

>My students create games every quarter

Wow! A whole class making Creative Multimedia!!!

Could you publish some of these works of
your students? 

Always is good for developers to see the
beginnings of the next generation of programmers.

> As I've said before, I'm finding Rev to be a 
> great vehicle for introducing young students 
> to programming.

Did you check the stack Metatalk Programming
course created by Scott Raney?
This is an excellent example of courseware
made in this platform.

I feel compelled to ask, but is the University 
of Chicago managing high schools too?

al






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From dsc at swcp.com  Fri Dec 24 19:09:14 2004
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 17:09:14 -0700
Subject: Using Md5Digest on stacks loaded in memory
In-Reply-To: <20041224232459.49290.qmail@web40510.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20041224232459.49290.qmail@web40510.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <35C116E6-5609-11D9-92CA-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>


On Dec 24, 2004, at 4:24 PM, Alejandro Tejada wrote:

> I could verify the md5digest of a stack stored
> in the hard disk with the following code:

Good idea.

> and could verify the md5digest of a file stored
> as a custom property with the following code:

I do this.  Good idea.

> But, How could i get the md5Digest of a
> stack loaded in memory?

I don't know if you can relate a stack in memory to an md5Digest 
created for a binary file.

You might be able to create an md5Digest of selected properties.  
However, if I modified one of your stacks, I might modify it to 
generate the "md5" hex code of itself that it got before.  It's like 
asking a person if he is a liar.

Maybe you can create a small stack or plugin whose sole purpose is to 
create the md5Digest of stacks and related files.  You can distribute 
this in person or find some other way to distribute it that you are 
comfortable with.  For some systems you might give the recipient by 
another channel instructions using system utilities.

Dar

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     http://www.swcp.com/dsc/
     Programming Services and Software
**********************************************


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Dec 24 19:39:02 2004
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 16:39:02 -0800
Subject: Adventure Games with Revolution
In-Reply-To: <20041225000153.77479.qmail@web40504.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20041225000153.77479.qmail@web40504.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <41CCB6A6.5010401@fourthworld.com>

Alejandro Tejada wrote:
> Hi Andre,
> 
> I hope that you are recovering fine from
> your broken arm! :-|
> 
> Andre Garzia wrote:
> 
> 
>>Holy God! I just checked the URL!!!!! 
>>This is wonderfull, I am buying
>>the CDs right now, that reminds me of Myst....
> 
> 
> I think alike! :-)
> But i'm curious about the name.
> 
> Is Alida the daughter, the wife or the mother
> of the author? ;-)
> 
> Richard, when you interview the author of
> the game, Could you ask him about the
> name's origin?

It's the name of the band.

 From his site at <http://www.alidagame.com/aboutAlida.html#overview>:

-----------------------------------------

What is Alida about?

Alida is a point and click interactive graphical adventure game. The 
story centres around four young men in the band Alida that attained 
phenomenal success with their first CD release. Loads of money coupled 
with wild imagination resulted in construction of "Alida" - the theme park.

It's an unusual place - a giant guitar 330 metres long!

But these guys didn't stop there - the guitar can actually be played
(assisted by machinery);
the internal workings of the guitar can be accessed and manipulated
(machine heads, switch, pots etc..)

As Alida was nearing completion things got complicated, their popularity 
was waning and money stopped coming in. Distrust set in. Each of the 
band members claimed different areas of Alida for themselves where they 
devised weird and elaborate systems to protect their wealth. They 
retracted from each other finally leaving Alida uninhabited.
Fifteen years later one of the guys is missing on Alida...

Five years in the making, the Alida world will captivate you with 
meticulous graphics, unique locations, intriguing puzzles, bizarre 
transportation machines, ornate objects, electronic imagery, tactile 
contraptions, massive constructions, animated natural elements and 
original music score.

-------------------------------------------

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  __________________________________________________
  Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev

From ps1 at softseven.org  Fri Dec 24 19:43:15 2004
From: ps1 at softseven.org (Paul Salyers)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 18:43:15 -0600
Subject: Adventure Games with Revolution
In-Reply-To: <41CCB6A6.5010401@fourthworld.com>
References: <20041225000153.77479.qmail@web40504.mail.yahoo.com>
 <41CCB6A6.5010401@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.1.1.2.20041224184152.0271fb88@softseven.org>




I tryed to cut & paste text from my script editor to  notepad and nothing 
pasted, but it pasted in Word. Anyone know why this was.


Paul Salyers
PS1 - Senior Rep.
PS1 at softseven.org
(918) 465-7426 -- Cell
(918) 967-1013 -- Home 


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Fri Dec 24 21:55:09 2004
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 20:55:09 -0600
Subject: finding local IP... on Win98?
In-Reply-To: <BAY17-DAV14A1BA05DBE12079DF1B1CB2A60@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BDF232AD.BF49%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 12/24/04 12:44 AM, "kweto" <nrkweto03 at hotmail.com> wrote:

 
> So I'm back to square one, i.e., how to use Rev to find out a computer's LAN
> IP.

How about doing a shell to "ipConfig /all" and then parsing the result? On
my Windows 98 machine I get two IP Addresses, one in a block that says "0
Ethernet adapter" and one that says "1 Ethernet adapter". I have a chunk of
code that I've used to find the MAC address, so I adapted it to get the IP
address. Since there's more than one, I continue to search until I get
something other than 0.0.0.0 (watch for word wraps):

on mouseUp
  put GetMyIP() into tIP
  if tIP contains "Error" then
    answer tIP
  else
    -- do what you want with the IP address
  end if
end mouseUp

function GetMyIP
  local tStart,tEnd
  put specialFolderPath("system") & "/IPCONFIG.EXE" into tWinIPConfig
  put specialFolderPath("system") & \
    "/SYSTEM32/IPCONFIG.EXE" into tWinSysIPConfig
  put (there is a file tWinIPConfig) into winExists
  put (there is a file tWinSysIPConfig) into sys32Exists
  if winExists or sys32Exists then
    set the hideConsoleWindows to true
    put shell("ipconfig /all") into tData
    repeat
      if matchChunk(tData,"IP Address[\. ]*: ([A-Z0-9\.]*)",tStart,tEnd)
then
        put char tStart to tEnd of tData into tIP
        if tIP <> "0.0.0.0" then
          return tIP
        else
          delete char 1 to tEnd of tData
        end if
      else
        return "Error: IP Address not found."
      end if
    end repeat
    return "Error: IP Address not found."
  else
    return "IPCONFIG not found"
  end if
end GetMyIP

HTH,

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From kray at sonsothunder.com  Fri Dec 24 22:02:18 2004
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 21:02:18 -0600
Subject: Adventure Games with Revolution
In-Reply-To: <6.1.1.1.2.20041224184152.0271fb88@softseven.org>
Message-ID: <BDF2345A.BF4B%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 12/24/04 6:43 PM, "Paul Salyers" <ps1 at softseven.org> wrote:

> I tryed to cut & paste text from my script editor to  notepad and nothing
> pasted, but it pasted in Word. Anyone know why this was.

No idea, Paul... what version of Windows are you using, and what version of
Revolution?

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From ps1 at softseven.org  Fri Dec 24 22:09:11 2004
From: ps1 at softseven.org (Paul Salyers)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 21:09:11 -0600
Subject: Copy & Paste problrms
In-Reply-To: <BDF2345A.BF4B%kray@sonsothunder.com>
References: <6.1.1.1.2.20041224184152.0271fb88@softseven.org>
 <BDF2345A.BF4B%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.1.1.2.20041224210355.0258ccd0@softseven.org>

At 09:02 PM 12/24/2004, you wrote:
>On 12/24/04 6:43 PM, "Paul Salyers" <ps1 at softseven.org> wrote:
>
> > I tryed to cut & paste text from my script editor to  notepad and nothing
> > pasted, but it pasted in Word. Anyone know why this was.
>
>No idea, Paul... what version of Windows are you using, and what version of
>Revolution?


Windows 2000 Pro
5.00.2195
Service Pack 4

NotePad
5.0
Build 2195
Service pack 4

Rev 2.5

But it's greak to me!

Paul Salyers
PS1 - Senior Rep.
PS1 at softseven.org 


From nrkweto03 at hotmail.com  Fri Dec 24 23:30:04 2004
From: nrkweto03 at hotmail.com (kweto)
Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 13:30:04 +0900
Subject: finding local IP... on Win98?
References: <BDF232AD.BF49%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <BAY17-DAV18968F4DA9AAAA5DE9FC42B2A70@phx.gbl>

Ken Ray wrote:

> How about doing a shell to "ipConfig /all" and then parsing the result?

That did the trick! Thanks -- both for the solution and for your script
itself, which brought to my attention how to better use "matchChunk" and the
hitherto unknown "shell" and "specialFolderPath" functions.  Actually, my
machines run Japanese versions of Win98SE so the "IP Address" search term
had to be translated.)

Cheers,
Nicolas Cueto
(from the land of odd Kurisumasu celebrations)

From kray at sonsothunder.com  Fri Dec 24 23:37:14 2004
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 22:37:14 -0600
Subject: Copy & Paste problrms
In-Reply-To: <6.1.1.1.2.20041224210355.0258ccd0@softseven.org>
Message-ID: <BDF24A9A.BF54%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 12/24/04 9:09 PM, "Paul Salyers" <ps1 at softseven.org> wrote:

> At 09:02 PM 12/24/2004, you wrote:
>> On 12/24/04 6:43 PM, "Paul Salyers" <ps1 at softseven.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> I tryed to cut & paste text from my script editor to  notepad and nothing
>>> pasted, but it pasted in Word. Anyone know why this was.
>> 
>> No idea, Paul... what version of Windows are you using, and what version of
>> Revolution?
> 
> 
> Windows 2000 Pro
> 5.00.2195
> Service Pack 4
> 
> NotePad
> 5.0
> Build 2195
> Service pack 4
> 
> Rev 2.5

This appears to have been a reported bug in Rev 2.5 (it works fine in Rev
2.2) - (see Bugzilla bug #2289), but Chipp Walters says its fixed (although
I downloaded the most recent public version and it still doesn't work).
Perhaps Chipp can chime in on this one...

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From chipp at chipp.com  Sat Dec 25 01:04:33 2004
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 22:04:33 -0800
Subject: Copy & Paste problrms
In-Reply-To: <6.1.1.1.2.20041224210355.0258ccd0@softseven.org>
References: <6.1.1.1.2.20041224184152.0271fb88@softseven.org>
	<BDF2345A.BF4B%kray@sonsothunder.com>
	<6.1.1.1.2.20041224210355.0258ccd0@softseven.org>
Message-ID: <41CD02F1.3020801@chipp.com>

Hi Paul,

There is a noted bug in the latest version of Rev where it's only 
copying and pasting unicode, and becaue notepad doesn't support unicode, 
it doesn't work. It's been fixed in the next release.

Workarounds:
1) Paste into something like WordPad which does support unicode
2) Use my 'altClipConvert' plugin to converty your clipboard text to 
something Notepad will recognize.

It's at the bottom of page:

http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/altPluginDownload/Downloads.htm

Happy holiday season!

best,

Chipp

Paul Salyers wrote:
>> On 12/24/04 6:43 PM, "Paul Salyers" <ps1 at softseven.org> wrote:
>>
>> > I tryed to cut & paste text from my script editor to  notepad and 
>> nothing
>> > pasted, but it pasted in Word. Anyone know why this was.

From capellan2000 at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 25 08:08:57 2004
From: capellan2000 at yahoo.com (Alejandro Tejada)
Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 05:08:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Using Md5Digest on stacks loaded in memory
In-Reply-To: <20041224170020.6AA7393027C@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <20041225130857.46115.qmail@web40513.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi Dar,

Thanks a lot for answering this question.

Dar Scott wrote:

>> But, How could i get the md5Digest of a
>> stack loaded in memory?

> I don't know if you can relate a stack in 
> memory to an md5Digest created for a binary file.

But, it's possible to get a md5digest of a custom
property that only exist in memory, because
the stack has not been saved to disk yet.

So it could exist some way to get the md5digest
from a stack that exist only in memory 
(and still has not been saved to disk). 

I believe that the engine uses a md5digest of 
the stack to ask the user if wants to save 
the stack loaded in memory before closing it.

>However, if I modified one of your stacks, I might 
>modify it to generate the "md5" hex code of itself 
>that it got before.  It's like asking a person if he 
>is a liar.

Yes, i suspect that. But the purpose of having
a digest attached to the file is to reduce the
risk of having a substack that execute scripts 
not authorized on the machine that is running.

I know about the secure mode, but it is a major
blocker. The stack could not write a text file
to disk or change the registry (all these 
restrictions are fine), but when i try to put 
text in the clipboard, to paste in another document
the clipboard is always empty!?!?!?. 
I've tried this code, and many variations 
without success:

set the clipboarddata to localVariableZXC

I'll like to be wrong about this, and that even in 
secure mode, i could put data on the clipboard to 
paste in a text editor, like notepad, but in my
side this is not possible or maybe i'm using the 
wrong code.

>Maybe you can create a small stack or plugin 
>whose sole purpose is to create the md5Digest of 
>stacks and related files.  

Looks like this is the solution, but this question
still remains unanswered: 

How could the engine get the md5digest of a 
single part of a stack loaded in memory 
(a custom property) and not from the whole 
stack, that only exists in memory too????

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From capellan2000 at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 25 09:16:54 2004
From: capellan2000 at yahoo.com (Alejandro Tejada)
Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 06:16:54 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Adventure Games with Revolution
Message-ID: <20041225141654.83228.qmail@web40526.mail.yahoo.com>

Richard Gaskin wrote:
 
>> Richard, when you interview the author of
>> the game, Could you ask him about the
>> name's origin?

>It's the name of the band.

Ah! Good point. 
But anyway ask him if it's the
name of a familiar... ;-)

By the way, the idea of
building a giant guitar that works
really sounds like if it came from
the head of Rock musicians... :-))

Have a nice weekend! 

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From dsc at swcp.com  Sat Dec 25 11:59:35 2004
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 09:59:35 -0700
Subject: Using Md5Digest on stacks loaded in memory
In-Reply-To: <20041225130857.46115.qmail@web40513.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20041225130857.46115.qmail@web40513.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5B26E98A-5696-11D9-9C2C-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>

Alejandro,
On Dec 25, 2004, at 6:08 AM, Alejandro Tejada wrote:

> But, it's possible to get a md5digest of a custom
> property that only exist in memory, because
> the stack has not been saved to disk yet.

Yes.  That value will be preserved through saving and opening.

> So it could exist some way to get the md5digest
> from a stack that exist only in memory
> (and still has not been saved to disk).

Even if you were to iterate through all properties, built-in and 
private, it won't be the same as that for the file.  The file will have 
other overhead.  That would be good check though.
>
> I believe that the engine uses a md5digest of
> the stack to ask the user if wants to save
> the stack loaded in memory before closing it.

I don't know about this one.  I know there have been attempts at that 
for the edited script.

I have no reason to think that the internal form of a stack resembles 
that of the stack file.

> I know about the secure mode, but it is a major
> blocker. The stack could not write a text file
> to disk or change the registry (all these
> restrictions are fine), but when i try to put
> text in the clipboard, to paste in another document
> the clipboard is always empty!?!?!?.
> I've tried this code, and many variations
> without success:
>
> set the clipboarddata to localVariableZXC
>
> I'll like to be wrong about this, and that even in
> secure mode, i could put data on the clipboard to
> paste in a text editor, like notepad, but in my
> side this is not possible or maybe i'm using the
> wrong code.

You might want to break this out into another query.  I'm not familiar 
with this.

>> Maybe you can create a small stack or plugin
>> whose sole purpose is to create the md5Digest of
>> stacks and related files.
>
> Looks like this is the solution,

Great!

> but this question
> still remains unanswered:
>
> How could the engine get the md5digest of a
> single part of a stack loaded in memory
> (a custom property) and not from the whole
> stack, that only exists in memory too????

 From our scripting we don't have access to that memory.  We have access 
to values which we can pull from properties.  In Transcript we are 
hidden from (protected from) those raw details.

I suppose it is possible for RunRev to make a function that does this, 
but it might have to save to a memory location and calculate on that.

The stack includes information such as the length of the value of 
properties as well as the length of their names.  It also has to 
associate properties with the right objects.  This is more than just 
the value of the properties.  At some point that needs to be organized 
as a sequence of bytes that the md5 needs.


I do think that some kind of signing or checking for revOnline would be 
great.  If added there, there might be some general IDE features added 
we can use.  That might check for the md5 of a downloaded stack (file 
image) before opening it.


Hey!  What are you doing working?  Don't you have festivities and/or 
worship to attend to on Christmas?  Oh, I better go, too.

Dar

**********************************************
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     http://www.swcp.com/dsc/
     Programming Services and Software
**********************************************


From ps1 at softseven.org  Sat Dec 25 12:30:49 2004
From: ps1 at softseven.org (Paul Salyers)
Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 11:30:49 -0600
Subject: CGI lib for Rev
In-Reply-To: <41CD02F1.3020801@chipp.com>
References: <6.1.1.1.2.20041224184152.0271fb88@softseven.org>
 <BDF2345A.BF4B%kray@sonsothunder.com>
 <6.1.1.1.2.20041224210355.0258ccd0@softseven.org>
 <41CD02F1.3020801@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.1.1.2.20041225112617.0266be20@softseven.org>




Has anyone did any thin with the CGI lib I downloaded it, but as yet have 
not did any thin with it. When I see it I though if there is any PHP lib. I 
prefer PHP as to CGI.

Paul Salyers
PS1 - Senior Rep.
PS1 at softseven.org
http://ps1.softseven.org 


From marty at vertex.ucls.uchicago.edu  Sat Dec 25 12:38:04 2004
From: marty at vertex.ucls.uchicago.edu (Marty Billingsley)
Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 11:38:04 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Adventure Games with Revolution?
In-Reply-To: <20041225165538.2096D930143@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20041225165538.2096D930143@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.58.0412251131500.18237@vertex.ucls.uchicago.edu>

> Alejandro Tejada <capellan2000 at yahoo.com>
>
> >My students create games every quarter
>
> Wow! A whole class making Creative Multimedia!!!
>
> Could you publish some of these works of
> your students?

Am working on putting my curriculum together into a book, and
will include student work.  It's pretty impressive, considering
these guys are in 8thy grade and only have one quarter (about 12
weeks) to learn Rev.

> Did you check the stack Metatalk Programming
> course created by Scott Raney?
> This is an excellent example of courseware
> made in this platform.
Will do.  Thanks for the pointer.

> I feel compelled to ask, but is the University
> of Chicago managing high schools too?
Ummm....we're an N-12 school, founded by John Dewey
over a century ago to explore new methods of
teaching.  We're more independent from the University
than we used to be, but were never "managed" by
them in the modern sense.  We're less exploratory
and more college prep than in days gone by, but
still do some fun things with curriculum.
www.ucls.uchicago.edu if you're interested.

cheers,
  - marty

--
Marty Billingsley (marty at ucls.uchicago.edu)
The University of Chicago Laboratory Schools

From ps1 at softseven.org  Sat Dec 25 12:50:18 2004
From: ps1 at softseven.org (Paul Salyers)
Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 11:50:18 -0600
Subject: What's I doing wrong
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.58.0412251131500.18237@vertex.ucls.uchicago.edu
 >
References: <20041225165538.2096D930143@mail.runrev.com>
 <Pine.GSO.4.58.0412251131500.18237@vertex.ucls.uchicago.edu>
Message-ID: <6.1.1.1.2.20041225114013.0266c5f8@softseven.org>




When I typed in "check" I get nothing about a check box. I want know how to 
test if there is a check in there or not. If there is I want one message 
displayed if no check is there I want a different message displayed.

Then instructions will be carried out as to if the check exists or not.

When searching for "check" all I got was "checkmark property "

"check box" got nothing.



Paul Salyers
PS1 - Senior Rep.
PS1 at softseven.org
http://ps1.softseven.org 


From tvogelaar at de-mare.nl  Sat Dec 25 12:57:10 2004
From: tvogelaar at de-mare.nl (Terry Vogelaar (de Mare))
Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 18:57:10 +0100
Subject: CGI lib for Rev
In-Reply-To: <6.1.1.1.2.20041225112617.0266be20@softseven.org>
References: <6.1.1.1.2.20041224184152.0271fb88@softseven.org>
	<BDF2345A.BF4B%kray@sonsothunder.com>
	<6.1.1.1.2.20041224210355.0258ccd0@softseven.org> <41CD02F1.3020801@chipp.com>
	<6.1.1.1.2.20041225112617.0266be20@softseven.org>
Message-ID: <665E82B4-569E-11D9-8626-000D93C854AC@de-mare.nl>

Op 25-dec-04 om 18:30 heeft Paul Salyers het volgende geschreven:

> Has anyone did any thin with the CGI lib I downloaded it, but as yet 
> have not did any thin with it. When I see it I though if there is any 
> PHP lib. I prefer PHP as to CGI.
>
> Paul Salyers
> PS1 - Senior Rep.
> PS1 at softseven.org
> http://ps1.softseven.org

You prefer PHP? Not for long if you already know Revolution. I can 
imagine you prefer PHP above Perl CGI, but Perl is by far not the only 
programming language you can use. It can also be written in Rev's own 
language!

You should take a look at Jacqueline's great tutorial at 
http://www.hyperactivesw.com/cgitutorial/index.html

There are dozens of satisfied users of this CGI lib. And I am one of 
them. I made two content management systems based on CGI lib.

Terry


From ps1 at softseven.org  Sat Dec 25 12:59:35 2004
From: ps1 at softseven.org (Paul Salyers)
Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 11:59:35 -0600
Subject: CGI lib for Rev
In-Reply-To: <665E82B4-569E-11D9-8626-000D93C854AC@de-mare.nl>
References: <6.1.1.1.2.20041224184152.0271fb88@softseven.org>
 <BDF2345A.BF4B%kray@sonsothunder.com>
 <6.1.1.1.2.20041224210355.0258ccd0@softseven.org>
 <41CD02F1.3020801@chipp.com>
 <6.1.1.1.2.20041225112617.0266be20@softseven.org>
 <665E82B4-569E-11D9-8626-000D93C854AC@de-mare.nl>
Message-ID: <6.1.1.1.2.20041225115659.0266cd18@softseven.org>

At 11:57 AM 12/25/2004, you wrote:
>You prefer PHP? Not for long if you already know Revolution. I can imagine 
>you prefer PHP above Perl CGI, but Perl is by far not the only programming 
>language you can use. It can also be written in Rev's own language!
>
>You should take a look at Jacqueline's great tutorial at 
>http://www.hyperactivesw.com/cgitutorial/index.html
>
>There are dozens of satisfied users of this CGI lib. And I am one of them. 
>I made two content management systems based on CGI lib.
>
>Terry


I'll look into it, but the reason I like PHP is because PHP is easy to set 
up and there is almost no cgi-bin folder to mess with no chmod. Also will 
Rev cgi use mysql? That is very important.

Paul Salyers
PS1 - Senior Rep.
PS1 at softseven.org
(918) 465-7426 -- Cell
(918) 967-1013 -- Home 


From klaus at major-k.de  Sat Dec 25 13:03:53 2004
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 19:03:53 +0100
Subject: What's I doing wrong
In-Reply-To: <6.1.1.1.2.20041225114013.0266c5f8@softseven.org>
References: <20041225165538.2096D930143@mail.runrev.com>
	<Pine.GSO.4.58.0412251131500.18237@vertex.ucls.uchicago.edu>
	<6.1.1.1.2.20041225114013.0266c5f8@softseven.org>
Message-ID: <567DD5AC-569F-11D9-B3EB-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>

Hi Paul

> When I typed in "check" I get nothing about a check box. I want know 
> how to test if there is a check in there or not. If there is I want 
> one message displayed if no check is there I want a different message 
> displayed.
>
> Then instructions will be carried out as to if the check exists or not.
>
> When searching for "check" all I got was "checkmark property "
>
> "check box" got nothing.

you need to check "the hilite" of that button...

...
if the hilite of btn "my checkbox" = true then
    ## it it "checked"
    ## do something
else
   ## it is NOT "checked"
   ## do something else...
end if
...

Hope that helps...

> Paul Salyers
> PS1 - Senior Rep.
> PS1 at softseven.org
> http://ps1.softseven.org

Regards and merry christmas :-)

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de


From capellan2000 at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 25 15:52:20 2004
From: capellan2000 at yahoo.com (Alejandro Tejada)
Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 12:52:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: setting the Clipboarddata under securemode
In-Reply-To: <20041225165538.493A0930151@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <20041225205220.63749.qmail@web40502.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi developers,

How many of you had used the secure mode?

When a RR player or standalone is using 
the securemode a stack could not write a text file
to disk or change the registry (all these 
restrictions are fine), but when i try to put 
text in the clipboard, to paste in another document
the clipboard is always empty!?!?!?. 

I've tried this code, and many variations 
without success:

set the clipboarddata to localVariableZXC

I'll like to be wrong about this, and that even in 
secure mode, i could put data on the clipboard to 
paste in a text editor, like Wordpad, but in my
side this is not possible or maybe i'm using the 
wrong code.

Could you test this on your side?

Thanks in advance and
Merry Christmas!

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From sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de  Sat Dec 25 16:08:31 2004
From: sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de (sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de)
Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 22:08:31 +0100
Subject: Adventure Games with Revolution
Message-ID: <1104008911.41cdd6cf5a521@www.uni-kassel.de>



Marty Billingsley wrote:

> My students create games every quarter


Alejandro Tejada asked:

> Wow! A whole class making Creative Multimedia!!!
> (snip)
> I feel compelled to ask, but is the University
> of Chicago managing high schools too?


Marty Billingsley answered:

> Ummm....we're an N-12 school, founded by John Dewey
> over a century ago to explore new methods of
> teaching.  We're more independent from the University
> than we used to be, but were never "managed" by
> them in the modern sense.  We're less exploratory
> and more college prep than in days gone by, but
> still do some fun things with curriculum.
> www.ucls.uchicago.edu if you're interested.
>
> cheers,
>   - marty
>
> Marty Billingsley (marty at ucls.uchicago.edu)
> The University of Chicago Laboratory Schools



May I add the remark that John Dewey, philosopher and educator (among his books
"Democracy and Education"), who founded the Laboratory School in 1896, also
developed - together with Kilpatrick - the "project method", applied now in
schools around the world and especially in the U.S.A.
In this sense Marty Billingsley with his "game projects" is acting in the best
tradition of John Dewey and "progressive education" of which Dewey was a part.

Concerning cooperation or symbiosis between universities and high schools that
extend beyond "dual enrollment" there are quite a number of examples, among them
"Boston University Academy", where the Vice-President of the university is
principal of the high school at the same time (at least he was last time when I
visited there).

Also make a search for "Middle College Schools", which are meanwhile rather
widespread.

--Wilhelm Sanke
<www.sanke.org/MetaMedia>

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From soapdog at mac.com  Sat Dec 25 21:41:00 2004
From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 00:41:00 -0200
Subject: CGI lib for Rev
In-Reply-To: <6.1.1.1.2.20041225115659.0266cd18@softseven.org>
References: <6.1.1.1.2.20041224184152.0271fb88@softseven.org>
	<BDF2345A.BF4B%kray@sonsothunder.com>
	<6.1.1.1.2.20041224210355.0258ccd0@softseven.org> <41CD02F1.3020801@chipp.com>
	<6.1.1.1.2.20041225112617.0266be20@softseven.org>
	<665E82B4-569E-11D9-8626-000D93C854AC@de-mare.nl>
	<6.1.1.1.2.20041225115659.0266cd18@softseven.org>
Message-ID: <943D05A0-56E7-11D9-8BEE-0003936D012E@mac.com>

Paul,

check the cgitutorial link, you'll be amazed with what you can do. Also 
check my CGI-Tool palette http://www.soapdog.org/rev/cgitool.rev which 
is a simple palette that will help you to upload and chmod all your 
files to the server, it works like a distribution builder for CGI's. 
Also knowing your chmods is a security issue and very important. The 
pallete will help uploading and setting perms for your cgis and for the 
libcgi itself.

Have fun
andre


On Dec 25, 2004, at 3:59 PM, Paul Salyers wrote:

> At 11:57 AM 12/25/2004, you wrote:
>> You prefer PHP? Not for long if you already know Revolution. I can 
>> imagine you prefer PHP above Perl CGI, but Perl is by far not the 
>> only programming language you can use. It can also be written in 
>> Rev's own language!
>>
>> You should take a look at Jacqueline's great tutorial at 
>> http://www.hyperactivesw.com/cgitutorial/index.html
>>
>> There are dozens of satisfied users of this CGI lib. And I am one of 
>> them. I made two content management systems based on CGI lib.
>>
>> Terry
>
>
> I'll look into it, but the reason I like PHP is because PHP is easy to 
> set up and there is almost no cgi-bin folder to mess with no chmod. 
> Also will Rev cgi use mysql? That is very important.
>
> Paul Salyers
> PS1 - Senior Rep.
> PS1 at softseven.org
> (918) 465-7426 -- Cell
> (918) 967-1013 -- Home
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>
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From frank at backtalk.com  Sun Dec 26 06:40:27 2004
From: frank at backtalk.com (Frank Leahy)
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 11:40:27 +0000
Subject: Using Md5Digest on stacks loaded in memory
In-Reply-To: <20041225165538.493A0930151@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20041225165538.493A0930151@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <F060519B-5732-11D9-A88F-000A9580FCCE@backtalk.com>

On Dec 25, 2004, at 4:55 PM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com 
wrote:

> From: Alejandro Tejada <capellan2000 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Using Md5Digest on stacks loaded in memory
> To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Message-ID: <20041225130857.46115.qmail at web40513.mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Hi Dar,
>
> Thanks a lot for answering this question.
>
> Dar Scott wrote:
>
>>> But, How could i get the md5Digest of a
>>> stack loaded in memory?
>
>> I don't know if you can relate a stack in
>> memory to an md5Digest created for a binary file.
>
> But, it's possible to get a md5digest of a custom
> property that only exist in memory, because
> the stack has not been saved to disk yet.
>
> So it could exist some way to get the md5digest
> from a stack that exist only in memory
> (and still has not been saved to disk).
>

Just a thought...I haven't tried it myself, but Is it possible that 
setting the custom property to store the MD5 digest is altering the 
stack so that the in-memory MD5 digest no longer matches the on-disk 
value?

Have you tried getting the MD5 digest from the stack on disk, NOT 
setting the MD5 digest property, then seeing what the MD5 digest 
returns from the stack in memory?  If they match, then you know that 
setting the MD5 digest property is disturbing the in-memory MD5 digest 
calculation.  In that case you can probably 1) remove the MD5 digest 
property from the stack, 2) calc the MD5 digest of the on disk version, 
3) store the MD5 digest custom property, 4) open the stack in memory, 
5) remove the MD5 digest custom property, and 5) calc the MD5 digest of 
the in memory stack (minus the MD5 digest property).

Regards,
-- Frank

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From chipp at chipp.com  Sun Dec 26 06:56:09 2004
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 03:56:09 -0800
Subject: function to calculate string length...
Message-ID: <41CEA6D9.9040809@chipp.com>

Looking for some help.

I have a list field and want to add an elipsis (...) at the end of lines 
which are truncated and won't fit in the field. I was wondering if 
anyone out there may have a function to do this quickly?

TIA,

best,
Chipp


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From chipp at chipp.com  Sun Dec 26 07:21:54 2004
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 04:21:54 -0800
Subject: function to calculate string length...
In-Reply-To: <41CEA6D9.9040809@chipp.com>
References: <41CEA6D9.9040809@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <41CEACE2.9030101@chipp.com>

Well, I cobbled this together from some of the archives...
Anyone see an obvious place to optimize?

on formatFld pFldName, pTxt
   lock screen
   put the width of fld pFldName into tW
   set the width of fld "formatCheck" to tW
   repeat for each line L in pTxt
     put L into fld "formatCheck"
     put false into tIsTooLong
     repeat while the formattedwidth of fld "formatCheck" > tW
       delete last char of fld "formatCheck"
       put true into tIsTooLong
     end repeat
     if tIsTooLong is true then
       put fld "formatCheck" after tList
       delete char -5 to -1 of tList
       put "..." & cr after tList
     else
       put L & cr after tList
     end if
   end repeat
   delete last char of tList
   put tList into fld pFldName
   unlock screen
end formatFld


Chipp Walters wrote:
> Looking for some help.
> 
> I have a list field and want to add an elipsis (...) at the end of lines 
> which are truncated and won't fit in the field. I was wondering if 
> anyone out there may have a function to do this quickly?


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From rev at armbase.com  Sun Dec 26 07:59:27 2004
From: rev at armbase.com (Bob Hartley)
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 12:59:27 +0000
Subject: resize in browse mode
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041226125323.01a24d48@mail.armbase.com>

Hi All.

I think it is called browse mode. Here is what I want do do.
I have a field in a stack that I want to resize (not is edit mode but in 
use mode).
I want the end user to be able to resize it by dragging the corner of the 
field (say bottom right corner).

  In the documentation there is a command to alter the size of something 
but this is a defined size. I want the user to be able to create and 
arbitrary size of their own choosing but I cannot see the command.

this will be called y pressing the alt or other key.
I was think ing of something like this

on mouseDown
    if the altKey is down then
      resize me
      end if
end mouseDown


Any ideas, I know it is simple but I get lost in the docs because I'm a bit 
thick :-)

Cheers
Bob

PS happy Christmas from Scotland 


From gbojsza at gmail.com  Sun Dec 26 08:14:57 2004
From: gbojsza at gmail.com (Glen Bojsza)
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 08:14:57 -0500
Subject: Passing CTRL characters
Message-ID: <3d8af4150412260514126583c5@mail.gmail.com>

It is possible to send or pass ctrl-c to openProcess or cmd window on Win XP?

Thanks,

Glen

From gbojsza at gmail.com  Sun Dec 26 08:24:09 2004
From: gbojsza at gmail.com (Glen Bojsza)
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 08:24:09 -0500
Subject: Example stack (storing external data)
Message-ID: <3d8af415041226052444946299@mail.gmail.com>

Though there have been many discussions around "how to store data"
from a standalone application I have never found an example stack.

I want to create a small application which contains several cards. On
each card the user can build a network using some predefined graphics
and store specific information (custom properties) about each graphic.

For each network map the application will create a new card.

Since you cannot store the information inside the stanalone stack an
external stack (netmap.dat) needs to be maintained.

I am looking for input as how it would best be managed. There is also
the importance that  the netmap.dat file be secure from prying eyes
(not easily readable).

Again, I appreciate everyone's thoughts.

regards,

Glen

From Stgoldberg at aol.com  Sun Dec 26 09:36:48 2004
From: Stgoldberg at aol.com (Stgoldberg at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 09:36:48 EST
Subject: Parent-child relationship in Revolution
Message-ID: <e5.94e7ede.2f002680@aol.com>

I am a new user of Revolution and apologize for missing many of the past 
discussions.   I hope someone can help with the following question, which I could 
not immediately find addressed in the documentation: Can I establish a 
"parent-child" relationship within Revolution in the following 2 situations:
a.   Can I arrange it so that while the program is running, the user can move 
a graphic and have another graphic follow along?
b.   Can I attach a button to a scrolling field such that the button scrolls 
along with the field?
An advice would be greatly appreciated. Happy holidays to all.
Stephen Goldberg

From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net  Sun Dec 26 13:52:08 2004
From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 13:52:08 -0500
Subject: Parent-child relationship in Revolution
In-Reply-To: <e5.94e7ede.2f002680@aol.com>
References: <e5.94e7ede.2f002680@aol.com>
Message-ID: <3E494808-576F-11D9-B70A-000A95DA60FA@adelphia.net>

I don't know how others would do this but I would use a Custom Property 
to store the name of the 'child' graphic or whatever. Then via script 
move the child which ever way you want.
If you it is relative move than store the 'move' coordinates and then 
move the  child by that.


Make a new custom property called CustPropChild (or whatever) and put 
the name of the child graphic into it. You might have to put quotes 
before and after the myChild.

on moveMe
	put the CustPropChild of me into myChild
	put the loc of me into myLoc
	set the loc of graphic myChild to myLoc
end moveMe

on mouseUp
	moveMe
end mouseUp

Others will help you more but the Custom Prop is great for storing 
things like this associated with a particular graphic/field etc.

Tom

On Dec 26, 2004, at 9:36 AM, Stgoldberg at aol.com wrote:

> I am a new user of Revolution and apologize for missing many of the 
> past
> discussions.   I hope someone can help with the following question, 
> which I could
> not immediately find addressed in the documentation: Can I establish a
> "parent-child" relationship within Revolution in the following 2 
> situations:
> a.   Can I arrange it so that while the program is running, the user 
> can move
> a graphic and have another graphic follow along?
> b.   Can I attach a button to a scrolling field such that the button 
> scrolls
> along with the field?
> An advice would be greatly appreciated. Happy holidays to all.
> Stephen Goldberg
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
>

Thomas J. McGrath III
SCS
1000 Killarney Dr.
Pittsburgh, PA 15234
412-885-8541


From frank at backtalk.com  Sun Dec 26 14:07:58 2004
From: frank at backtalk.com (Frank Leahy)
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 19:07:58 +0000
Subject: function to calculate string length...
In-Reply-To: <20041226170006.589CE93011B@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20041226170006.589CE93011B@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <74D3D79A-5771-11D9-A88F-000A9580FCCE@backtalk.com>

If you have strings that are much longer than the field size, then 
using a binary algorithm might be faster.  Check the string length, if 
too big, then check the length of 1/2 the string, if too small, then 
check the length of 3/4 of the string, and so on until you get within a 
character or two.  You could also take the width of a medium character, 
such as "n", and use that to get you to within a couple of chars of the 
correct length.

-- Frank

Web Photos Pro: Software for Photo Bloggers and Other Photo Power Users
See us on the web at http://www.webphotospro.com/

On Dec 26, 2004, at 5:00 PM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com 
wrote:

> From: Chipp Walters <chipp at chipp.com>
> Subject: Re: function to calculate string length...
> To: chipp at chipp.com,	How to use Revolution
> 	<use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Message-ID: <41CEACE2.9030101 at chipp.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Well, I cobbled this together from some of the archives...
> Anyone see an obvious place to optimize?


From scott at tactilemedia.com  Sun Dec 26 14:33:51 2004
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 11:33:51 -0800
Subject: Parent-child relationship in Revolution
In-Reply-To: <e5.94e7ede.2f002680@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BDF4521F.1D50E%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Stgoldberg at aol.com wrote:

> Can I establish a
> "parent-child" relationship within Revolution in the following 2 situations:
> a.   Can I arrange it so that while the program is running, the user can move
> a graphic and have another graphic follow along?

Enter the following in your message box:

  go url "http://www.tactilemedia.com/tmpanel.rev"

Click the "Demo Stacks" link at the top and scroll down to Lemmings.  The
math in the demo stack is wrong but it illustrates the concept you're
looking for.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Development & Design
-----
E: scott at tactilemedia.com
W: http://www.tactilemedia.com


From dsc at swcp.com  Sun Dec 26 15:04:24 2004
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 13:04:24 -0700
Subject: Passing CTRL characters
In-Reply-To: <3d8af4150412260514126583c5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3d8af4150412260514126583c5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <571D4B3A-5779-11D9-9103-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>


On Dec 26, 2004, at 6:14 AM, Glen Bojsza wrote:

> It is possible to send or pass ctrl-c to openProcess or cmd window on 
> Win XP?

You can close the pipe pair (close the process), or you can kill with 
the kill command.

I have a vague memory of the process lingering in open process after a 
close for a tiny bit, so you might want to wait before you kill it.

Long, long ago I was able to create a scenario in which a process did 
not quit after close.  I'm not sure if kill even worked from 
Revolution.

You can try to send numToChar(3) down the pipe to the process, but it 
seems to me that didn't work.  Maybe I'm wrong.  It's an easy 
experiment to try.  Maybe you have.

Dar
**********************************************
     DSC (Dar Scott Consulting & Dar's Lab)
     http://www.swcp.com/dsc/
     Programming Services and Software
**********************************************


From gbojsza at gmail.com  Sun Dec 26 15:24:59 2004
From: gbojsza at gmail.com (Glen Bojsza)
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 15:24:59 -0500
Subject: Passing CTRL characters
In-Reply-To: <571D4B3A-5779-11D9-9103-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
References: <3d8af4150412260514126583c5@mail.gmail.com>
	 <571D4B3A-5779-11D9-9103-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <3d8af41504122612241bdb192a@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Dar,

I have been successful in the past killing open processes...I think I
should have added the example of what I'm trying to do.

I open a cmd window and then do a ping 192.168.254.300  which
continually  runs until you use a ctrl-c. This keeps the openprocess
cmd available for other commands to be sent to it.

So for not having elaborating more on this originally.

Glen



On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 13:04:24 -0700, Dar Scott <dsc at swcp.com> wrote:
> 
> On Dec 26, 2004, at 6:14 AM, Glen Bojsza wrote:
> 
> > It is possible to send or pass ctrl-c to openProcess or cmd window on
> > Win XP?
> 
> You can close the pipe pair (close the process), or you can kill with
> the kill command.
> 
> I have a vague memory of the process lingering in open process after a
> close for a tiny bit, so you might want to wait before you kill it.
> 
> Long, long ago I was able to create a scenario in which a process did
> not quit after close.  I'm not sure if kill even worked from
> Revolution.
> 
> You can try to send numToChar(3) down the pipe to the process, but it
> seems to me that didn't work.  Maybe I'm wrong.  It's an easy
> experiment to try.  Maybe you have.
> 
> Dar
> **********************************************
>      DSC (Dar Scott Consulting & Dar's Lab)
>      http://www.swcp.com/dsc/
>      Programming Services and Software
> **********************************************
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>

From dick.kriesel at mail.com  Sun Dec 26 16:21:31 2004
From: dick.kriesel at mail.com (Dick Kriesel)
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 13:21:31 -0800
Subject: function to calculate string length...
In-Reply-To: <41CEACE2.9030101@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <BDF46B5B.6DC9%dick.kriesel@mail.com>

Chipp --

I'm not sure these opportunities to optimize are either obvious or
significant for your application, but I'd welcome your assessment.

-- for each excess character, execute a put into the field rather than a
delete, because the delete involves both reading and writing the field

-- for each line that has an excess character, append the shortened line to
tList without reading the field

-- execute fewer lines of code in each repeat loop

-- refer to the field by number rather than by name

-- obviate field "formatCheck"

-- delete only enough characters to make the ellipsis fit

-- execute no repeat loop if the field is too narrow for the ellipsis

(Watch out for the email line wrapping.)

on formatFld pFldName, pTxt
  lock screen
  put the number of field pFldName into tFieldNumber
  put the width of field tFieldNumber into tWidth
  put "..." into field tFieldNumber
  if the formattedWidth of field tFieldNumber > tWidth then put pTxt into
field tFieldNumber
  else
    repeat for each line tLine in pTxt
      put tLine into field tFieldNumber
      if the formattedWidth of field tFieldNumber > tWidth then
        put (char 1 to -2 of tLine) & "..." into tLine
        repeat forever
          put tLine into field tFieldNumber
          if the formattedWidth of field tFieldNumber > tWidth then delete
char -4 of tLine
          else exit repeat
        end repeat
      end if
      put tLine & cr after tList
    end repeat
    put char 1 to -2 of tList into field tFieldNumber
  end if
  unlock screen
end formatFld

Although it's beyond just optimizing the code, you could set the textStyle
of the line that's too long to "condensed" before you start trimming
characters.

-- Dick


On 12/26/04 4:21 AM, "Chipp Walters" <chipp at chipp.com> wrote:

> Well, I cobbled this together from some of the archives...
> Anyone see an obvious place to optimize?
> 
> on formatFld pFldName, pTxt
>    lock screen
>    put the width of fld pFldName into tW
>    set the width of fld "formatCheck" to tW
>    repeat for each line L in pTxt
>      put L into fld "formatCheck"
>      put false into tIsTooLong
>      repeat while the formattedwidth of fld "formatCheck" > tW
>        delete last char of fld "formatCheck"
>        put true into tIsTooLong
>      end repeat
>      if tIsTooLong is true then
>        put fld "formatCheck" after tList
>        delete char -5 to -1 of tList
>        put "..." & cr after tList
>      else
>        put L & cr after tList
>      end if
>    end repeat
>    delete last char of tList
>    put tList into fld pFldName
>    unlock screen
> end formatFld
> 
> 
> Chipp Walters wrote:
>> Looking for some help.
>> 
>> I have a list field and want to add an elipsis (...) at the end of lines
>> which are truncated and won't fit in the field. I was wondering if
>> anyone out there may have a function to do this quickly?
> 



From rev at armbase.com  Sun Dec 26 17:18:06 2004
From: rev at armbase.com (Bob Hartley)
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 22:18:06 +0000
Subject: resize in browse mode
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20041226125323.01a24d48@mail.armbase.com>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041226125323.01a24d48@mail.armbase.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041226221650.01a28000@mail.armbase.com>

At 12:59 26/12/2004, you wrote:
>Hi All.
>
>I think it is called browse mode. Here is what I want do do.
>I have a field in a stack that I want to resize (not is edit mode but in 
>use mode).
>I want the end user to be able to resize it by dragging the corner of the 
>field (say bottom right corner).
>
>  In the documentation there is a command to alter the size of something 
> but this is a defined size. I want the user to be able to create and 
> arbitrary size of their own choosing but I cannot see the command.
>
>this will be called by pressing the alt or other key.
>I was thinking of something like this
>
>on mouseDown
>    if the altKey is down then
>      resize me
>      end if
>end mouseDown


I just tried
on mouseDown
   if the controlKey is down then
     set the bottom of 1004 to me
   end if
   end mousedown

No result yet.

Still searching the docs and google... :-)

Cheers
Bob 


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Sun Dec 26 17:45:10 2004
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 16:45:10 -0600
Subject: resize in browse mode
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20041226125323.01a24d48@mail.armbase.com>
Message-ID: <BDF49B16.C0AE%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 12/26/04 6:59 AM, "Bob Hartley" <rev at armbase.com> wrote:

> Hi All.
> 
> I think it is called browse mode. Here is what I want do do.
> I have a field in a stack that I want to resize (not is edit mode but in
> use mode).
> I want the end user to be able to resize it by dragging the corner of the
> field (say bottom right corner).
> 
>   In the documentation there is a command to alter the size of something
> but this is a defined size. I want the user to be able to create and
> arbitrary size of their own choosing but I cannot see the command.
> 
> this will be called y pressing the alt or other key.
> I was think ing of something like this
> 
> on mouseDown
>     if the altKey is down then
>       resize me
>       end if
> end mouseDown

Happy Christmas, Bob!

Try this:

on mouseStillDown
  if the altKey is down then
    put the rect of me into tRect
    put the mouseH into item 3 of tRect
    put the mouseV into item 4 of tRect
    set the rect of me to tRect
  end if
end mouseStillDown

This is kind of crude (i.e. it doesn't take into account the different in
offset from the bottom-right of the field and the location of the mouse),
but you get the idea.


Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From jrosat at mac.com  Sun Dec 26 17:51:56 2004
From: jrosat at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?J=E9r=F4me_Rosat?=)
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 23:51:56 +0100
Subject: How to add a value to an Item of a menu option button
Message-ID: <BE1D817E-5790-11D9-A28E-00039344A87E@mac.com>

Bonjour ? tous,

In my database, I've got a table with two fields and many records:

Value	Name

12		Name1
16		Name2
25		Name3
etc.

On a card I created a menu option button with items come from the field 
Name of my database:
Menu Items:
Name1
Name2
Name3
etc.

But when I select an option, I need to now the value of the item 
selected, not the item itself.
For example, if I select "Name2", I need to know the value "16".

How to add a value to an Item of a menu option button ?

Thanks for your help.

J?r?me Rosat


From rev at armbase.com  Sun Dec 26 18:10:59 2004
From: rev at armbase.com (Bob Hartley)
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 23:10:59 +0000
Subject: resize in browse mode
In-Reply-To: <BDF49B16.C0AE%kray@sonsothunder.com>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041226125323.01a24d48@mail.armbase.com>
 <BDF49B16.C0AE%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041226230807.01ab2910@mail.armbase.com>

At 22:45 26/12/2004, you wrote:
>On 12/26/04 6:59 AM, "Bob Hartley" <rev at armbase.com> wrote:

Hi Ken

Happy Christmas


>Happy Christmas, Bob!
>
>Try this:
>
>on mouseStillDown
>   if the altKey is down then
>     put the rect of me into tRect
>     put the mouseH into item 3 of tRect
>     put the mouseV into item 4 of tRect
>     set the rect of me to tRect
>   end if
>end mouseStillDown


Still no luck with this.

I opened a new stack, created one text field (control-e to get to the 
script editor for the object) pasted in the code.

Tyen I went back to browse and tried holding down ALT and dragging out the 
field.

It didn't resize.

Any alternative?

Cheers
Bob


>This is kind of crude (i.e. it doesn't take into account the different in
>offset from the bottom-right of the field and the location of the mouse),
>but you get the idea.
>
>
>Ken Ray
>Sons of Thunder Software
>Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
>Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>use-revolution mailing list
>use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Sun Dec 26 18:08:43 2004
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 17:08:43 -0600
Subject: resize in browse mode
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20041226230807.01ab2910@mail.armbase.com>
Message-ID: <BDF4A09B.C0B2%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 12/26/04 5:10 PM, "Bob Hartley" <rev at armbase.com> wrote:

> At 22:45 26/12/2004, you wrote:
>> On 12/26/04 6:59 AM, "Bob Hartley" <rev at armbase.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Ken
> 
> Happy Christmas
> 
> 
>> Happy Christmas, Bob!
>> 
>> Try this:
>> 
>> on mouseStillDown
>>   if the altKey is down then
>>     put the rect of me into tRect
>>     put the mouseH into item 3 of tRect
>>     put the mouseV into item 4 of tRect
>>     set the rect of me to tRect
>>   end if
>> end mouseStillDown
> 
> 
> Still no luck with this.
> 
> I opened a new stack, created one text field (control-e to get to the
> script editor for the object) pasted in the code.
> 
> Tyen I went back to browse and tried holding down ALT and dragging out the
> field.
> 
> It didn't resize.

Is the field open (i.e. you can type into it)? Because I tried this with the
field locked (the lockText is true) and it worked for me. If the field is
open, do you need to keep it open? If so, you'll need to overlay some object
in the "resizing" area that you want in order to be able to trap the mouse
doing down.

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From rev at armbase.com  Sun Dec 26 18:13:55 2004
From: rev at armbase.com (Bob Hartley)
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 23:13:55 +0000
Subject: resize in browse mode
In-Reply-To: <BDF49B16.C0AE%kray@sonsothunder.com>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041226125323.01a24d48@mail.armbase.com>
 <BDF49B16.C0AE%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041226231158.01aae5f8@mail.armbase.com>


Hi Again Ken and others

I meant to say that if I can get this one thing done I will be able to get 
on with my app. It is just the one thing I need at the moment.
I like to test concepts in a modular way before diving in to the ful app.#

Cheers
Bob; Scotland


> >   In the documentation there is a command to alter the size of something
> > but this is a defined size. I want the user to be able to create and
> > arbitrary size of their own choosing but I cannot see the command.
> >
> > this will be called y pressing the alt or other key.
> > I was think ing of something like this
> >
> > on mouseDown
> >     if the altKey is down then
> >       resize me
> >       end if
> > end mouseDown
>
>Happy Christmas, Bob!
>
>Try this:
>
>on mouseStillDown
>   if the altKey is down then
>     put the rect of me into tRect
>     put the mouseH into item 3 of tRect
>     put the mouseV into item 4 of tRect
>     set the rect of me to tRect
>   end if
>end mouseStillDown
>
>This is kind of crude (i.e. it doesn't take into account the different in
>offset from the bottom-right of the field and the location of the mouse),
>but you get the idea.
>
>
>Ken Ray
>Sons of Thunder Software
>Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
>Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>use-revolution mailing list
>use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution


From claus at dreischer.de  Sun Dec 26 18:11:40 2004
From: claus at dreischer.de (Claus Dreischer)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 00:11:40 +0100
Subject: identify broken images
In-Reply-To: <BDF232AD.BF49%kray@sonsothunder.com>
References: <BDF232AD.BF49%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <p06110400bdf4f2c0f22e@[192.168.0.4]>

Hi,

i have a small problem i don't see a simple solution for.
Maybe someone here has one.

I want to display JPGs from file, so i make a

put URL ("binfile:" & my_file) into image "im_1"

This is working OK.
But when the JPG in the filepath my_file is faulty (broken download 
or something)
The above line displays an empty image "im_1".

I now want to identify these faulty images.
I tried the following with no result:

if the imagedata of image "im_1" is not empty then ...

if image "im_1" is not empty then ...

if the length of image "im_1" > 0 then ...


Has anyone an idea how to identify an "empty" image?
(its not realy empty but nothing is displayed)


Regards,
	Claus.

From kray at sonsothunder.com  Sun Dec 26 18:10:59 2004
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 17:10:59 -0600
Subject: How to add a value to an Item of a menu option button
In-Reply-To: <BE1D817E-5790-11D9-A28E-00039344A87E@mac.com>
Message-ID: <BDF4A123.C0B3%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 12/26/04 4:51 PM, "J?r?me Rosat" <jrosat at mac.com> wrote:

> Bonjour ? tous,
> 
> In my database, I've got a table with two fields and many records:
> 
> Value Name
> 
> 12  Name1
> 16  Name2
> 25  Name3
> etc.
> 
> On a card I created a menu option button with items come from the field
> Name of my database:
> Menu Items:
> Name1
> Name2
> Name3
> etc.
> 
> But when I select an option, I need to now the value of the item
> selected, not the item itself.
> For example, if I select "Name2", I need to know the value "16".
> 
> How to add a value to an Item of a menu option button ?

Yes. You can add a custom property (like uMenuValue) to the option button
that contains the values, one on each line:

12
16
25

And then do this:

on menuPick
  put line (the menuHistory of me) of the uMenuValue of me into tValue
  -- gets the corresponding line in the custom property to the line selected
  -- in the option menu

  -- do something with tValue
end menuPick

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From rev at armbase.com  Sun Dec 26 18:21:10 2004
From: rev at armbase.com (Bob Hartley)
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 23:21:10 +0000
Subject: resize in browse mode
In-Reply-To: <BDF4A09B.C0B2%kray@sonsothunder.com>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041226230807.01ab2910@mail.armbase.com>
 <BDF4A09B.C0B2%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041226231847.01ac0a08@mail.armbase.com>

Hi Ken



> > I opened a new stack, created one text field (control-e to get to the
> > script editor for the object) pasted in the code.
> >
> > Tyen I went back to browse and tried holding down ALT and dragging out the
> > field.
> >
> > It didn't resize.
>
>Is the field open (i.e. you can type into it)? Because I tried this with the
>field locked (the lockText is true) and it worked for me. If the field is
>open, do you need to keep it open? If so, you'll need to overlay some object
>in the "resizing" area that you want in order to be able to trap the mouse
>doing down.


Yes the field needs to be open.

It is for students to stick in text for their projects and they need the 
field to be resized so they can have many fields of different size and 
number in their card.

cheers
Bob


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>Sons of Thunder Software
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>Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
>
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From dsc at swcp.com  Sun Dec 26 18:16:08 2004
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 16:16:08 -0700
Subject: Using Md5Digest on stacks loaded in memory
In-Reply-To: <F060519B-5732-11D9-A88F-000A9580FCCE@backtalk.com>
References: <20041225165538.493A0930151@mail.runrev.com>
	<F060519B-5732-11D9-A88F-000A9580FCCE@backtalk.com>
Message-ID: <1FF6FEAC-5794-11D9-9103-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>


On Dec 26, 2004, at 4:40 AM, Frank Leahy wrote:

> Just a thought...I haven't tried it myself, but Is it possible that 
> setting the custom property to store the MD5 digest is altering the 
> stack so that the in-memory MD5 digest no longer matches the on-disk 
> value?

I didn't think of this scenario.  I was picturing Alejandro trying to 
take the md5 of the one in memory.

Dar
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From jrosat at mac.com  Sun Dec 26 18:34:13 2004
From: jrosat at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?J=E9r=F4me_Rosat?=)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 00:34:13 +0100
Subject: How to add a value to an Item of a menu option button
In-Reply-To: <BDF4A123.C0B3%kray@sonsothunder.com>
References: <BDF4A123.C0B3%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <A6C6EE41-5796-11D9-A28E-00039344A87E@mac.com>

Ken,

Thank you very much.

The answer appears so simple.

You are a genius.

J?r?me Rosat

Le 27 d?c. 04, ? 00:10, Ken Ray a ?crit :

> On 12/26/04 4:51 PM, "J?r?me Rosat" <jrosat at mac.com> wrote:
>
>> Bonjour ? tous,
>>
>> In my database, I've got a table with two fields and many records:
>>
>> Value Name
>>
>> 12  Name1
>> 16  Name2
>> 25  Name3
>> etc.
>>
>> On a card I created a menu option button with items come from the 
>> field
>> Name of my database:
>> Menu Items:
>> Name1
>> Name2
>> Name3
>> etc.
>>
>> But when I select an option, I need to now the value of the item
>> selected, not the item itself.
>> For example, if I select "Name2", I need to know the value "16".
>>
>> How to add a value to an Item of a menu option button ?
>
> Yes. You can add a custom property (like uMenuValue) to the option 
> button
> that contains the values, one on each line:
>
> 12
> 16
> 25
>
> And then do this:
>
> on menuPick
>   put line (the menuHistory of me) of the uMenuValue of me into tValue
>   -- gets the corresponding line in the custom property to the line 
> selected
>   -- in the option menu
>
>   -- do something with tValue
> end menuPick
>
> Ken Ray
> Sons of Thunder Software
> Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
> Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
>
>
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From alex at tweedly.net  Sun Dec 26 19:13:33 2004
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 00:13:33 +0000
Subject: UDP (datagram) socket usage.
Message-ID: <41CF53AD.6060506@tweedly.net>

I'm having a little bit of trouble with using UDP (datagram) sockets, 
and hope someone can tell me either what I'm missing, or an alternative 
way to do what I want.

When I started using Rev, I ported over some of my very basic networking 
scripts, and thought I had got enough of them working to know what I was 
doing. Turns out there was one piece I missed, and I can't figure out 
how to do it in Rev.

I did both server and client for TCP, and the "peer-to-peer style UDP", 
and I did the UDP server-side - but I never got around to doing the UDP 
client-side part of it (because for that I just used the program I 
already had set up and running on another machine that didn't have Rev 
on it).

What I've always done for "client-server" style UDP is used a pair of 
adjacent port numbers - one for client->server, the other for 
server->client.  I think you can often get away with just one - but 
using the pair means you can do much of your testing on a single machine.

Server pseudo-code:

>     accept datagram connections on port "4567" with message "gotPacket"

> on gotPacket pRemote, pData
>   put pRemote into pRemote
>   set the itemDel to ":"
>   add 1 to item 2 of pRemote
>   open datagram socket to pRemote
>   write "reply with " & param(2) to socket pRemote
>   close socket pRemote
>   end gotPacket

Now the echo client version, using standard system calls, is simply

> s = socket.socket(socket.AF_INET, socket.SOCK_DGRAM)
> r = socket.socket(socket.AF_INET, socket.SOCK_DGRAM)
>
> s.connect( (HOST,PORT) )
>
> # get the source port allocated, and listen on adjacent one
> reply_host, reply_port = s.getsockname()
> reply_port += 1
> r.bind( (reply_host, reply_port) )
>
> while 1 :
>     str = raw_input('type it')
>     s.send(str)
>     data = r.recv(1024)
>     print "Back came ", data
>     
> s.close()

Most of this translates simply into Rev - except I can't find the 
equivalent of  getsockname(), which tells me the local IP address and 
port number which will be filled in as source addr, source port in the 
UDP packet. The server uses this to determine where to send its reply; 
source addr is, of course, just the IP address of the client machine 
(which I can get from hostAddress() once I have connected the socket) - 
but I don't see a way to find which source port will be chosen. Without 
that, I don't know which port to bind to in order to receive the server 
responses.

Is there a way to find that ?
Or, alternatively, is there a different way to set up a client-server 
UDP pair ?  i.e. have a pre-defined port number used on the server, 
which is also configured in every client, but allocate the client ports 
dynamically.

Thanks
-- Alex.







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From kray at sonsothunder.com  Sun Dec 26 19:26:16 2004
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 18:26:16 -0600
Subject: resize in browse mode
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20041226231847.01ac0a08@mail.armbase.com>
Message-ID: <BDF4B2C8.C0C1%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 12/26/04 5:21 PM, "Bob Hartley" <rev at armbase.com> wrote:

>> Is the field open (i.e. you can type into it)? Because I tried this with the
>> field locked (the lockText is true) and it worked for me. If the field is
>> open, do you need to keep it open? If so, you'll need to overlay some object
>> in the "resizing" area that you want in order to be able to trap the mouse
>> doing down.
> 
> 
> Yes the field needs to be open.

Ah, that's the problem. In order to trap the mouse going down, you'll need
to do one of the following:

1) Temporarily lock the field by trapping the "mouseWithin" of the field,
checking for the state of the alt (option) key and then unlocking the field
when the mouse has been released (or moved out of the field); or

2) Create a separate object at the lower-right corner of the open field
(perhaps a transparent button) that can act as a "resizer". This object
would move along with the field as it is resized.

Here's an example of the first:

on mouseStillDown
  if the optionKey is down then
    put the rect of me into tRect
    put the mouseH into item 3 of tRect
    put the mouseV into item 4 of tRect
    set the rect of me to tRect
  end if
end mouseStillDown

on mouseWithin
  if the optionKey is down then
    if the lockText of me is false then
      set the lockText of me to true
    end if
  else
    if the lockText of me is true then
      set the lockText of me to false
    end if
  end if
end mouseWithin

Does this work for you?

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From dsc at swcp.com  Sun Dec 26 20:45:54 2004
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 18:45:54 -0700
Subject: UDP (datagram) socket usage.
In-Reply-To: <41CF53AD.6060506@tweedly.net>
References: <41CF53AD.6060506@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <0BCC1119-57A9-11D9-9103-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>

I have use the crossing pair before.  This is handy in some 
environments for symmetry in both TCP and UDP.  You usually can get 
symmetry with UDP without the crossed pair, but Revolution doesn't 
support that, the best I can tell.

On Dec 26, 2004, at 5:13 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote:

> Server pseudo-code:
>
>>     accept datagram connections on port "4567" with message 
>> "gotPacket"
>
>> on gotPacket pRemote, pData
>>   put pRemote into pRemote
>>   set the itemDel to ":"
>>   add 1 to item 2 of pRemote

There is a potential problem here.  The socket designator might include 
a socket ID.

>>   open datagram socket to pRemote
>>   write "reply with " & param(2) to socket pRemote
>>   close socket pRemote
>>   end gotPacket
>
> Now the echo client version, using standard system calls, is simply
>
>> s = socket.socket(socket.AF_INET, socket.SOCK_DGRAM)
>> r = socket.socket(socket.AF_INET, socket.SOCK_DGRAM)
>>
>> s.connect( (HOST,PORT) )
>>
>> # get the source port allocated, and listen on adjacent one
>> reply_host, reply_port = s.getsockname()
>> reply_port += 1
>> r.bind( (reply_host, reply_port) )
>>
>> while 1 :
>>     str = raw_input('type it')
>>     s.send(str)
>>     data = r.recv(1024)
>>     print "Back came ", data
>>     s.close()
>
> Most of this translates simply into Rev - except I can't find the 
> equivalent of  getsockname(), which tells me the local IP address and 
> port number which will be filled in as source addr, source port in the 
> UDP packet.

A weakness, in my opinion.

But you can work around this.

> The server uses this to determine where to send its reply; source addr 
> is, of course, just the IP address of the client machine (which I can 
> get from hostAddress() once I have connected the socket) - but I don't 
> see a way to find which source port will be chosen. Without that, I 
> don't know which port to bind to in order to receive the server 
> responses.
>
> Is there a way to find that ?

shell()?

> Or, alternatively, is there a different way to set up a client-server 
> UDP pair ?  i.e. have a pre-defined port number used on the server, 
> which is also configured in every client, but allocate the client 
> ports dynamically.

If you must have the crossing pair, simply send data to the 
corresponding port on the other side.  Both sides will have source 
ports that are not known, but the destination ports will be known.

But you don't need to use a crossing pair for a client server 
relationship.

The server knows the port on the other end (pRemote, in your example).  
Simply reply to that.

>
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From alex at tweedly.net  Sun Dec 26 21:40:14 2004
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 02:40:14 +0000
Subject: UDP (datagram) socket usage.
In-Reply-To: <0BCC1119-57A9-11D9-9103-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
References: <41CF53AD.6060506@tweedly.net>
	<0BCC1119-57A9-11D9-9103-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <41CF760E.2070407@tweedly.net>

Dar Scott wrote:

>
> But you don't need to use a crossing pair for a client server 
> relationship.
>
> The server knows the port on the other end (pRemote, in your 
> example).  Simply reply to that.

Sorry, but I don't get it.

The server can reply to pRemote easily - but how does the client receive 
that packet ?
The client doesn't know the port number that appeared in pRemote, so he 
doesn't know the values he needs for an "accept".

Thanks
-- Alex.



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From dsc at swcp.com  Sun Dec 26 22:07:09 2004
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 20:07:09 -0700
Subject: UDP (datagram) socket usage.
In-Reply-To: <41CF760E.2070407@tweedly.net>
References: <41CF53AD.6060506@tweedly.net>
	<0BCC1119-57A9-11D9-9103-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com> <41CF760E.2070407@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <65B4BED2-57B4-11D9-9103-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>


On Dec 26, 2004, at 7:40 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote:

>> The server knows the port on the other end (pRemote, in your 
>> example).  Simply reply to that.
>
> Sorry, but I don't get it.
>
> The server can reply to pRemote easily - but how does the client 
> receive that packet ?
> The client doesn't know the port number that appeared in pRemote, so 
> he doesn't know the values he needs for an "accept".

Sorry about that.  I was confused about this originally, too.  The docs 
don't help.  And it being unlike the TCP comm, confuses it, too.

When you 'open datagram socket', specify a callback.  The callback is 
NOT for completion of the open.  That completes immediately.  It is for 
the incoming packets, the responses.

The slight minus is that there is no way to squelch input.  The big 
plus is that you don't loose data.

Some UDP client-server transactions are short-lived.  The server sends 
one datagram back and closes.  The client receives one one response 
datagram and closes.  (If this doesn't fit your model, we can get more 
into it.)

Dar

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From drothe at optusnet.com.au  Sun Dec 26 22:16:28 2004
From: drothe at optusnet.com.au (D.Rothe)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 13:16:28 +1000
Subject: Setting more than 1 textStyle
Message-ID: <003101c4ebc2$76336900$66fe1dd3@p4c2ghz>

Setting more than 1 textStyle
With the following script it obviously sets the hilited word of a field to the chosen style. Select another style and it resets the word to plain text before applying the new style! 
How can I set the hilited word to more than one textStyle.... e.g Bold, Italic  & Underlined or what ever combination?
Is there a way to lock the text first or ???????????????

on menuPick pWhich
  set the label of me to pWhich
  switch pWhich
  case "Plain"
    set the textStyle of the hilitedText to "plain"
    break
  case "Bold"
    set the textStyle of the hilitedText to "bold"
    break
  case "Italic"
    set the textStyle of the hilitedText to "italic"
    break
  case "Underline"
    set the textStyle of the hilitedText to "underline"
    break
  end switch
end menuPick

Thanx to all replies......Dwayne R

p.s 1 other question, why does the text overflow onto the selection arrow of an option menu if the text is longer than the button is wide? Try it out, load your fonts into a option menu (width 100). Yeah sure you can make the button wider but some imported font names are ridiculously long e.g (Do Not Eat This Fat Italic).

Cheers...

From drothe at optusnet.com.au  Sun Dec 26 22:57:06 2004
From: drothe at optusnet.com.au (D.Rothe)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 13:57:06 +1000
Subject: Identifying text attributes
Message-ID: <000a01c4ebc8$22b106b0$66fe1dd3@p4c2ghz>

How to identify text attributes?
Is it possible to identify the style attributes of a selected word in a field, like in most word processors, when you hilite some text the font name, size & style is shown in a menu? This would be on the user side not edit.

cheers.....


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Mon Dec 27 01:10:21 2004
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 00:10:21 -0600
Subject: Identifying text attributes
In-Reply-To: <000a01c4ebc8$22b106b0$66fe1dd3@p4c2ghz>
Message-ID: <BDF5036D.C0F2%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 12/26/04 9:57 PM, "D.Rothe" <drothe at optusnet.com.au> wrote:

> How to identify text attributes?
> Is it possible to identify the style attributes of a selected word in a field,
> like in most word processors, when you hilite some text the font name, size &
> style is shown in a menu? This would be on the user side not edit.

Yes, you can get the textFont, textSize, textStyle, etc. of the
selectedChunk. Check the entry for "textStyle" in the docs to find out how
to handle multiple text styles in the selection...

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From kray at sonsothunder.com  Mon Dec 27 01:15:04 2004
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 00:15:04 -0600
Subject: Setting more than 1 textStyle
In-Reply-To: <003101c4ebc2$76336900$66fe1dd3@p4c2ghz>
Message-ID: <BDF50488.C0F4%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 12/26/04 9:16 PM, "D.Rothe" <drothe at optusnet.com.au> wrote:

> Setting more than 1 textStyle
> With the following script it obviously sets the hilited word of a field to the
> chosen style. Select another style and it resets the word to plain text before
> applying the new style!
> How can I set the hilited word to more than one textStyle.... e.g Bold, Italic
> & Underlined or what ever combination?
> Is there a way to lock the text first or ???????????????

No, you get the textStyle of the selection, and then add another style to
make a combination. For example, if the textStyle if "plain", you replace it
with "bold", "italic", etc. If it is something other than "plain", you add
it with a comma between: "bold,italic", "italic,underline",
"bold,italic,underline", etc.

See the docs for the entry on "textStyle" for more information.
 
> p.s 1 other question, why does the text overflow onto the selection arrow of
> an option menu if the text is longer than the button is wide? Try it out, load
> your fonts into a option menu (width 100). Yeah sure you can make the button
> wider but some imported font names are ridiculously long e.g (Do Not Eat This
> Fat Italic).

Personally, I think this is a bug... but you can compare the formattedWidth
of the option button with the width of the optionButton to see if it is
larger. If so, you can start removing characters from the end until it fits.
Rev is fast enough to do this (even though it's laborious) so your user
won't see the changes (especially if it's under locktext), but personally
this should be handled automatically by Rev.

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From rev at armbase.com  Mon Dec 27 03:51:11 2004
From: rev at armbase.com (Bob Hartley)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 08:51:11 +0000
Subject: resize in browse mode
In-Reply-To: <BDF4B2C8.C0C1%kray@sonsothunder.com>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041226231847.01ac0a08@mail.armbase.com>
 <BDF4B2C8.C0C1%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041227084927.0037e530@mail.armbase.com>

Hi Ken and others

This works partly

>Ah, that's the problem. In order to trap the mouse going down, you'll need
>to do one of the following:
>
>1) Temporarily lock the field by trapping the "mouseWithin" of the field,
>checking for the state of the alt (option) key and then unlocking the field
>when the mouse has been released (or moved out of the field); or
>
>2) Create a separate object at the lower-right corner of the open field
>(perhaps a transparent button) that can act as a "resizer". This object
>would move along with the field as it is resized.
>
>Here's an example of the first:
>
>on mouseStillDown
>   if the optionKey is down then
>     put the rect of me into tRect
>     put the mouseH into item 3 of tRect
>     put the mouseV into item 4 of tRect
>     set the rect of me to tRect
>   end if
>end mouseStillDown
>
>on mouseWithin
>   if the optionKey is down then
>     if the lockText of me is false then
>       set the lockText of me to true
>     end if
>   else
>     if the lockText of me is true then
>       set the lockText of me to false
>     end if
>   end if
>end mouseWithin
>
>Does this work for you?


Almost.

It works for the action I saught but it now stops the earlier grab action 
to move the field with control held (It will resize with alt)

The full ascript is
on mouseDown
    if the controlKey is down then
      grab me
      end if
end mouseDown
   if the optionKey is down then
     put the rect of me into tRect
     put the mouseH into item 3 of tRect
     put the mouseV into item 4 of tRect
     set the rect of me to tRect
   end if
end mouseStillDown

on mouseWithin
   if the optionKey is down then
     if the lockText of me is false then
       set the lockText of me to true
     end if
   else
     if the lockText of me is true then
       set the lockText of me to false
     end if
   end if
end mouseWithin

cheers
bob


>Ken Ray
>Sons of Thunder Software
>Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
>Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
>
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From rev at armbase.com  Mon Dec 27 06:11:33 2004
From: rev at armbase.com (Bob Hartley)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 11:11:33 +0000
Subject: resize in browse mode
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20041227084927.0037e530@mail.armbase.com>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041226231847.01ac0a08@mail.armbase.com>
 <BDF4B2C8.C0C1%kray@sonsothunder.com>
 <6.1.2.0.0.20041227084927.0037e530@mail.armbase.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041227110451.01aa5e60@mail.armbase.com>

At 08:51 27/12/2004, you wrote:
>Hi Ken and others
>
>This works partly


Ahh now Ken, I misunderstood you regarding the writable nature of the field.

I thought that you meant "would the field be written to in future and then 
resized". Well yes written to and NO not intended to be resized, however, 
the solution you gave is actually better than I had envisaged so I'll stick 
with this

>>I can move the field and resize it empty but only resize it when written to.
>>
>>I can have this as a "feature" :-) IE the user makes the template and 
>>clones this per data entry. They cannot move the fields once the template 
>>has been created, BUT can slightly resize them to tweak the look of 
>>individual records.
>>
>>I'm off for a break until the 5th Jan to www.burghead.com  and will get 
>>into it on return. While I'm up there I will finalise the plan of the 
>>application.
>>
>>You have been a great help.
>>
>>All the best
>>Bob
>>
>>Here's an example of the first:
>>
>>on mouseStillDown
>>   if the optionKey is down then
>>     put the rect of me into tRect
>>     put the mouseH into item 3 of tRect
>>     put the mouseV into item 4 of tRect
>>     set the rect of me to tRect
>>   end if
>>end mouseStillDown
>>
>>on mouseWithin
>>   if the optionKey is down then
>>     if the lockText of me is false then
>>       set the lockText of me to true
>>     end if
>>   else
>>     if the lockText of me is true then
>>       set the lockText of me to false
>>     end if
>>   end if
>>end mouseWithin
>>
>>Does this work for you?
>
>
>Almost.
>
>It works for the action I saught but it now stops the earlier grab action 
>to move the field with control held (It will resize with alt)
>
>The full ascript is
>on mouseDown
>    if the controlKey is down then
>      grab me
>      end if
>end mouseDown
>   if the optionKey is down then
>     put the rect of me into tRect
>     put the mouseH into item 3 of tRect
>     put the mouseV into item 4 of tRect
>     set the rect of me to tRect
>   end if
>end mouseStillDown
>
>on mouseWithin
>   if the optionKey is down then
>     if the lockText of me is false then
>       set the lockText of me to true
>     end if
>   else
>     if the lockText of me is true then
>       set the lockText of me to false
>     end if
>   end if
>end mouseWithin
>
>cheers
>bob
>
>
>>Ken Ray
>>Sons of Thunder Software
>>Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
>>Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>use-revolution mailing list
>>use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>>http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
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From rev at armbase.com  Mon Dec 27 06:14:20 2004
From: rev at armbase.com (Bob Hartley)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 11:14:20 +0000
Subject: resize in browse mode
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041227111325.019f0408@mail.armbase.com>

On 27/12/2004 11:11:33, How to use Revolution 
(use-revolution at lists.runrev.com) wrote:
 > At 08:51 27/12/2004, you wrote:

OK the formatting of this mail went askew should be

 > >Hi Ken and others
 > >
 > >This works partly
 >
 >
 > Ahh now Ken, I misunderstood you regarding the writable nature of the
 > field.
 >
 > I thought that you meant
 > "would the field be written to in future and then
 > resized". Well yes
 > written to and NO not intended to be resized, however,
 > the solution you gave is actually better than I had envisaged so I'll stick
 > with this
 >
 > I can move the field and resize it empty but only resize it when written to.
 >
 > I can have this as a "feature" :-) IE the user makes the template and
 > clones this per data entry. They cannot move the fields once the template
 > has been created, BUT can slightly resize them to tweak the look of
 > individual records.
 >
etc

cheers
bob


From klaus at major-k.de  Mon Dec 27 06:57:40 2004
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 12:57:40 +0100
Subject: identify broken images
In-Reply-To: <p06110400bdf4f2c0f22e@[192.168.0.4]>
References: <BDF232AD.BF49%kray@sonsothunder.com>
	<p06110400bdf4f2c0f22e@[192.168.0.4]>
Message-ID: <82A6031D-57FE-11D9-B58B-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>

Hi Claus,

alles frisch? :-)

> Hi,
>
> i have a small problem i don't see a simple solution for.
> Maybe someone here has one.
> I want to display JPGs from file, so i make a
>
> put URL ("binfile:" & my_file) into image "im_1"
>
> This is working OK.
> But when the JPG in the filepath my_file is faulty (broken download or 
> something)
> The above line displays an empty image "im_1".
>
> I now want to identify these faulty images.
> I tried the following with no result:
>
> if the imagedata of image "im_1" is not empty then ...
> if image "im_1" is not empty then ...
> if the length of image "im_1" > 0 then ...
>
> Has anyone an idea how to identify an "empty" image?
> (its not realy empty but nothing is displayed)

I don't think there is a built-in solution for this problem...

A long time ago i godzillad this issue, since you even can:

set the filename of img 1 to "../folder/word.DOC"

without problem, the result is empty!
...and you end with a lovely grey image :-(

But somehow the RR crew did not (want to?) understand this issue and 
closed it!!!

See bug 762, marked as "Resolved/Not a bug"...
And the workaround does NOT work!
The formattedheight/-width does NOT report 0!!!!!

(But sometimes i am NOT in the mood to "fight for my right to 
paaaaaaaarty!" :-)

There may be a chance to use Trevor's QuickTime External to check if QT 
can open that file
but that may not help, if you are on *NIX or cannot use QT for whatever 
reason...

Sorry for the bad news...

> Regards,
> 	Claus.

Best

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de


From thierry.arbellot at wanadoo.fr  Mon Dec 27 07:03:42 2004
From: thierry.arbellot at wanadoo.fr (Thierry Arbellot)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 13:03:42 +0100
Subject: identify broken images
In-Reply-To: <p06110400bdf4f2c0f22e@[192.168.0.4]>
Message-ID: <5A63A93C-57FF-11D9-9E9B-000A27E40768@wanadoo.fr>

Hi,

Have you tried the size property on the image ?
if the size of image "im_1" =  0 then ...

Thierry

On Monday, Dec 27, 2004, at 00:11 Europe/Paris, Claus Dreischer wrote:

> Hi,
>
> i have a small problem i don't see a simple solution for.
> Maybe someone here has one.
>
> I want to display JPGs from file, so i make a
>
> put URL ("binfile:" & my_file) into image "im_1"
>
> This is working OK.
> But when the JPG in the filepath my_file is faulty (broken download or 
> something)
> The above line displays an empty image "im_1".
>
> I now want to identify these faulty images.
> I tried the following with no result:
>
> if the imagedata of image "im_1" is not empty then ...
>
> if image "im_1" is not empty then ...
>
> if the length of image "im_1" > 0 then ...
>
>
> Has anyone an idea how to identify an "empty" image?
> (its not realy empty but nothing is displayed)
>
>
> Regards,
> 	Claus.
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>



From klaus at major-k.de  Mon Dec 27 07:17:49 2004
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 13:17:49 +0100
Subject: identify broken images
In-Reply-To: <5A63A93C-57FF-11D9-9E9B-000A27E40768@wanadoo.fr>
References: <5A63A93C-57FF-11D9-9E9B-000A27E40768@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <52EA9C60-5801-11D9-B58B-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>

Bon jour Thierry,

> Hi,
>
> Have you tried the size property on the image ?
> if the size of image "im_1" =  0 then ...

c'est merveilleux!!!!

Great idea, works fine, thanks a lot!!!

Although i am the other Klaus (with a "K") i appreciate this nice and 
clean solution, too ;-)

> Thierry

Au revoir

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de


From thierry.arbellot at wanadoo.fr  Mon Dec 27 07:51:52 2004
From: thierry.arbellot at wanadoo.fr (Thierry Arbellot)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 13:51:52 +0100
Subject: identify broken images
In-Reply-To: <52EA9C60-5801-11D9-B58B-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <1498E0D8-5806-11D9-9E9B-000A27E40768@wanadoo.fr>


On Monday, Dec 27, 2004, at 13:17 Europe/Paris, Klaus Major wrote:

> Bonjour Thierry,

Guten Tag Klaus,

>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Have you tried the size property on the image ?
>> if the size of image "im_1" =  0 then ...
>
> c'est merveilleux!!!!
>
> Great idea, works fine, thanks a lot!!!
>
> Although i am the other Klaus (with a "K") i appreciate this nice and 
> clean solution, too ;-)
This is my Christmas present for you ;-)

> Au revoir

Auf Wiedersehen

Thierry



From claus at dreischer.de  Mon Dec 27 07:53:03 2004
From: claus at dreischer.de (Claus Dreischer)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 13:53:03 +0100
Subject: identify broken images
In-Reply-To: <5A63A93C-57FF-11D9-9E9B-000A27E40768@wanadoo.fr>
References: <5A63A93C-57FF-11D9-9E9B-000A27E40768@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <p06110404bdf5b613fa93@[192.168.0.4]>

>Hi,
>
>Have you tried the size property on the image ?
>if the size of image "im_1" =  0 then ...
>
>Thierry


Hi Thierry,

yes, i tried it now:  :-(  doesn't work either.

Thanks for the answer,
	Claus.
-- 
--
http://www.danasoft.com/sig/dsagsdg.jpg

From tsalagi at elohigadugi.org  Mon Dec 27 11:05:18 2004
From: tsalagi at elohigadugi.org (duane poncy)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 08:05:18 -0800
Subject: Arrow keys on background list field
Message-ID: <20041227080518633274.GyazMail.tsalagi@elohigadugi.org>

I need some help on my Cherokee Dictionary project. 
I have my entries on separate cards and a scroll list
field of dictionary entries on a background group.
Everything works fine when I use my find field or
when i click on the entry directly. The problem comes 
when I try to use the arrow keys to move up or down
on the list. I am guessing that is because each time
I change my selection I am moving to a new card. 
I have tried to change the hilighted line
on the new card with a handler, but this doesn't
seem to work either.

Also, the arrow key seems to bring up the last
card I was on, instead of the next card on the list.
Sometimes it even brings up the Rev Documentation
stack if I've been using that recently.

Thanks for any help you can give me!



visit elohi gadugi: poetry, software, 
Cherokee culture and Native American rights.
http://elohigadugi.org/

--------------------------------------------------------
Another world is not only possible, she is on her way. 
On a quiet day, I can hear her breathing.  - Arundhati Roy
---------------------------------------------------------


From ps1 at softseven.org  Mon Dec 27 11:50:32 2004
From: ps1 at softseven.org (Paul Salyers)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 10:50:32 -0600
Subject: Arrow keys on background list field
In-Reply-To: <20041227080518633274.GyazMail.tsalagi@elohigadugi.org>
References: <20041227080518633274.GyazMail.tsalagi@elohigadugi.org>
Message-ID: <6.1.1.1.2.20041227104712.02746bb0@softseven.org>




How do I get a card to pull up a image from my image card. The image card 
has 12 images, but I want be able to pull any  image into a different card 
when wanted.


Paul Salyers
PS1 - Senior Rep.
PS1 at softseven.org
http://ps1.softseven.org 


From chipp at chipp.com  Mon Dec 27 12:19:02 2004
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 09:19:02 -0800
Subject: Putting Images
In-Reply-To: <6.1.1.1.2.20041227104712.02746bb0@softseven.org>
References: <20041227080518633274.GyazMail.tsalagi@elohigadugi.org>
	<6.1.1.1.2.20041227104712.02746bb0@softseven.org>
Message-ID: <41D04406.902@chipp.com>

try this:

put img "myImageNumber3" of card "CardFullOfImages" into img "myImage"

-Chipp

Paul Salyers wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> How do I get a card to pull up a image from my image card. The image 
> card has 12 images, but I want be able to pull any  image into a 
> different card when wanted.


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From tsalagi at elohigadugi.org  Mon Dec 27 12:40:54 2004
From: tsalagi at elohigadugi.org (duane poncy)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 09:40:54 -0800
Subject: revMail, revGoURL
Message-ID: <20041227094054345791.GyazMail.tsalagi@elohigadugi.org>

I'm sure I must be doing something stupid, but I am
trying to put an email link in my menu. I have tried
both revMail and revGoURL. Instead of opening my
email program, it opens my browser to an http address
followed by my mailto address. Other links (on
websites, programs, etc.) open correctly, so it's
not my system settings.

I am on a Mac G4 with OSX. Any ideas?

visit elohi gadugi: poetry, software, 
Cherokee culture and Native American rights.
http://elohigadugi.org/

--------------------------------------------------------
Another world is not only possible, she is on her way. 
On a quiet day, I can hear her breathing.  - Arundhati Roy
---------------------------------------------------------


From thierry.arbellot at wanadoo.fr  Mon Dec 27 12:51:50 2004
From: thierry.arbellot at wanadoo.fr (Thierry Arbellot)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 18:51:50 +0100
Subject: revMail, revGoURL
In-Reply-To: <20041227094054345791.GyazMail.tsalagi@elohigadugi.org>
Message-ID: <FC60945B-582F-11D9-8F7C-000A27E40768@wanadoo.fr>

Hi,

If you use rev 2.5, this bug has been fixed.
You should run "check for updates" from the "help" menu.

Thierry

On Monday, Dec 27, 2004, at 18:40 Europe/Paris, duane poncy wrote:

> I'm sure I must be doing something stupid, but I am
> trying to put an email link in my menu. I have tried
> both revMail and revGoURL. Instead of opening my
> email program, it opens my browser to an http address
> followed by my mailto address. Other links (on
> websites, programs, etc.) open correctly, so it's
> not my system settings.
>
> I am on a Mac G4 with OSX. Any ideas?
>
> visit elohi gadugi: poetry, software,
> Cherokee culture and Native American rights.
> http://elohigadugi.org/
>
> --------------------------------------------------------
> Another world is not only possible, she is on her way.
> On a quiet day, I can hear her breathing.  - Arundhati Roy
> ---------------------------------------------------------



From capellan2000 at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 27 13:38:11 2004
From: capellan2000 at yahoo.com (Alejandro Tejada)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 10:38:11 -0800 (PST)
Subject: identify broken images
In-Reply-To: <20041227170024.8F96F9300D7@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <20041227183811.48680.qmail@web40528.mail.yahoo.com>

on Mon, 27 Dec 2004
Claus Dreischer signed his e-mail with
the following link:

<http://www.danasoft.com/sig/dsagsdg.jpg>

Very nice example of graphic processing
in the server!
What are the steps to achieve this?

Thanks in advance!

al

=====
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From nrkweto03 at hotmail.com  Mon Dec 27 16:57:46 2004
From: nrkweto03 at hotmail.com (Nicolas Cueto)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 06:57:46 +0900
Subject: Arrow keys on background list field
References: <20041227080518633274.GyazMail.tsalagi@elohigadugi.org>
Message-ID: <BAY17-DAV899E0CCFAFF9CB6F464A7B2990@phx.gbl>

What I think is happening is that, each time a new card comes up, the
"focus" is no longer on the scroll list field and thus the "arrowKey"
message is being handled by another object. The solution, I imagine, is to
insert some script lines somewhere (the card? the stack?) that use Rev's
"focus", "arrowKey" and "focusedObject" to ensure the scroll list field
always receives the "arrowKey" message.

Cheers,
Nicolas Cueto
(Japan)

From webmaster at dreamscapesoftware.com  Mon Dec 27 17:10:10 2004
From: webmaster at dreamscapesoftware.com (Derek Bump)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 16:10:10 -0600
Subject: identify broken images
References: <5A63A93C-57FF-11D9-9E9B-000A27E40768@wanadoo.fr>
	<p06110404bdf5b613fa93@[192.168.0.4]>
Message-ID: <007d01c4ec60$d5e97940$cf04113f@DOWNSTAIRS>

The "size" property of an image will only return a value if the image has been imported into Revolution and is not a "referenced" image.  If it is a "referenced" image then Rev will always report "0".
 

Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software
____________________________________________
Compress Images Easily with JPEGCompress
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com
 

From webmaster at dreamscapesoftware.com  Mon Dec 27 17:22:45 2004
From: webmaster at dreamscapesoftware.com (Derek Bump)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 16:22:45 -0600
Subject: identify broken images
References: <BDF232AD.BF49%kray@sonsothunder.com>
	<p06110400bdf4f2c0f22e@[192.168.0.4]>
Message-ID: <00ae01c4ec62$98021540$cf04113f@DOWNSTAIRS>

I did notice that compairing the "imagePixmapID" is giving me clues to solve the problem.  If the image is a "referenced" image, and it is broken, it seems to be reporting empty.  If the image is not "referenced", and it is broken, the imagePixmapID is reporting a negative number.  Is this what your looking for...

if (the imagePixmapID of img "test") is empty then
   answer "This image is broken and unreadable."
   exit to top
end if
 

Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software
____________________________________________
Compress Images Easily with JPEGCompress
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com
 

From drothe at optusnet.com.au  Mon Dec 27 17:33:43 2004
From: drothe at optusnet.com.au (D.Rothe)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 08:33:43 +1000
Subject: use-revolution Digest, Vol 15, Issue 76
References: <20041227170024.951FB93008C@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <000d01c4ec64$20aadd90$b1f6a4cb@p4c2ghz>

Thanx I found the answer in the docs....

for eac case I used the following code; worked perfectly ;?)

case "Bold"

if the textStyle of the hilitedText is empty then

set the textStyle of the hilitedText to "bold"

else

set the textStyle of the hilitedText to \

(the textStyle of the hilitedText) & comma & "bold"

end if

thanx.............

----- Original Message -----  
> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 00:10:21 -0600
> From: Ken Ray <kray at sonsothunder.com>
> Subject: Re: Identifying text attributes
> To: Use Revolution List <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Message-ID: <BDF5036D.C0F2%kray at sonsothunder.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
> 
> On 12/26/04 9:57 PM, "D.Rothe" <drothe at optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> 
> > How to identify text attributes?
> > Is it possible to identify the style attributes of a selected word in a field,
> > like in most word processors, when you hilite some text the font name, size &
> > style is shown in a menu? This would be on the user side not edit.
> 
> Yes, you can get the textFont, textSize, textStyle, etc. of the
> selectedChunk. Check the entry for "textStyle" in the docs to find out how
> to handle multiple text styles in the selection...
> 
> Ken Ray
> Sons of Thunder Software
> Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
> Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
> ------------------------------


From claus at dreischer.de  Mon Dec 27 18:49:20 2004
From: claus at dreischer.de (Claus Dreischer)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 00:49:20 +0100
Subject: identify broken images
In-Reply-To: <20041227183811.48680.qmail@web40528.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20041227183811.48680.qmail@web40528.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <p06110400bdf64f97162f@[192.168.0.4]>

At 10:38 Uhr -0800 27.12.2004, Alejandro Tejada wrote:
>on Mon, 27 Dec 2004
>Claus Dreischer signed his e-mail with
>the following link:
>
><http://www.danasoft.com/sig/dsagsdg.jpg>
>
>Very nice example of graphic processing
>in the server!
>What are the steps to achieve this?
>
>Thanks in advance!
>
>al

ooopsi, i forgot to remove the sig.
That's not mine, i ...  aeh .. borrowed it from someone ...

From Cubist at aol.com  Mon Dec 27 19:07:03 2004
From: Cubist at aol.com (Cubist at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 19:07:03 EST
Subject: Arrow keys on background list field
Message-ID: <1f0.31fe9f50.2f01fda7@aol.com>

sez tsalagi at elohigadugi.org:
>I need some help on my Cherokee Dictionary project. 
>I have my entries on separate cards and a scroll list
>field of dictionary entries on a background group.
>Everything works fine when I use my find field or
>when i click on the entry directly. The problem comes 
>when I try to use the arrow keys to move up or down
>on the list. I am guessing that is because each time
>I change my selection I am moving to a new card. 
>I have tried to change the hilighted line
>on the new card with a handler, but this doesn't
>seem to work either.
>
>Also, the arrow key seems to bring up the last
>card I was on, instead of the next card on the list.
>Sometimes it even brings up the Rev Documentation
>stack if I've been using that recently.
   Seems to me that trapping for the "keyDown" message, or perhaps 
"arrowKey", might be helpful here. Something along these lines should do what you want:

on keyDown Diskey
  put the hilitedLine of me into CurrentLine
  switch DisKey
  case "left"
    # if you want the left arrow to behave the same as the up arrow,
    # remove all the code from this 'fork' of the switch
    put 1 into NextLine
    break
  case "up"
    # note: i don't recall the precise syntax for the value of "the 
hilitedLine",
    # so you may need to tweak the line immediately after this comment
    put max ((CurrentLine - 1), the number of lines in me) into NextLine
    break
  case "right"
    # see comment for the "left" fork of this switch
    put the number of lines in me into NextLine
  case "down"
    # same caveat as for "up"
    put min ((CurrentLine + 1), the number of lines in me) into NextLine
    break
  default
    # this fork of the switch covers everything *but* arrow keys.
    # do as you please with them
  end switch

  if CurrentLine = NextLine then
    # the user is trying to scroll back to before the first line,
    # or else to scroll past the last line. BAD user!
    beep 2
  else
    # let the user scroll normally
    set the hilitedline of me to NextLine
    if DisKey is in "left up" then
      go prev card
    else
      go next card
    end if
  end if
end keyDown

   That handler has not been tested, but its underlying logic (if not its 
*syntax*...) should be okay. Hope this helps...

From claus at dreischer.de  Mon Dec 27 19:41:20 2004
From: claus at dreischer.de (Claus Dreischer)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 01:41:20 +0100
Subject: identify broken images
In-Reply-To: <00ae01c4ec62$98021540$cf04113f@DOWNSTAIRS>
References: <BDF232AD.BF49%kray@sonsothunder.com>
 <p06110400bdf4f2c0f22e@[192.168.0.4]>
 <00ae01c4ec62$98021540$cf04113f@DOWNSTAIRS>
Message-ID: <p06110402bdf65c150450@[192.168.0.4]>

At 16:22 Uhr -0600 27.12.2004, Derek Bump wrote:
>I did notice that compairing the "imagePixmapID" is giving me clues 
>to solve the problem.  If the image is a "referenced" image, and it 
>is broken, it seems to be reporting empty.  If the image is not 
>"referenced", and it is broken, the imagePixmapID is reporting a 
>negative number.  Is this what your looking for...
>
>if (the imagePixmapID of img "test") is empty then
>    answer "This image is broken and unreadable."
>    exit to top
>end if
>
>
>Derek Bump

Hi Derek,

THAT'S exactly what i was looking for!
Thank you.

Now, how can this information come back to  bug 762?
Klaus?
Can you put this solution/information there so that other people can find it?

Once again, thanks Derek.

Regards,
	Claus.
	(the tall one ;)

From ps1 at softseven.org  Mon Dec 27 19:53:08 2004
From: ps1 at softseven.org (Paul Salyers)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 18:53:08 -0600
Subject: MP3 VS MP4
In-Reply-To: <p06110402bdf65c150450@[192.168.0.4]>
References: <BDF232AD.BF49%kray@sonsothunder.com>
 <p06110400bdf4f2c0f22e@[192.168.0.4]>
 <00ae01c4ec62$98021540$cf04113f@DOWNSTAIRS>
 <p06110402bdf65c150450@[192.168.0.4]>
Message-ID: <6.1.1.1.2.20041227185129.026b4238@softseven.org>




I heard there was a better sound format called MP4. Anyone know any thing 
about this for sure?


Paul Salyers
PS1 - Senior Rep.
PS1 at softseven.org
http://ps1.softseven.org 


From mpetrides at earthlink.net  Mon Dec 27 20:07:12 2004
From: mpetrides at earthlink.net (Marian Petrides)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 20:07:12 -0500
Subject: MP3 VS MP4
In-Reply-To: <6.1.1.1.2.20041227185129.026b4238@softseven.org>
References: <BDF232AD.BF49%kray@sonsothunder.com>
	<p06110400bdf4f2c0f22e@[192.168.0.4]>
	<00ae01c4ec62$98021540$cf04113f@DOWNSTAIRS>
	<p06110402bdf65c150450@[192.168.0.4]>
	<6.1.1.1.2.20041227185129.026b4238@softseven.org>
Message-ID: <CE1E77A8-586C-11D9-976D-000A959D005E@earthlink.net>

Paul,

Not sure this is what you are referring to, but iTunes music store 
downloads have an extension of  .m4p  These files are "protected AAC" 
file, i.e. encrypted Advanced Audio Coding format files.  Unencrypted 
AAC files have an extension of  .m4a

A google search on AAC yielded the following info:

First:     http://www.apple.com/mpeg4/aac/
has a lot of background information and a PDF file MPEG-4 Fact Sheet.


Second:  the following excerpt comes from:
http://www.vialicensing.com/products/mpeg4aac/standard.html

Advanced Audio Coding (AAC) is a wideband audio coding algorithm that 
exploits two primary coding strategies to dramatically reduce the 
amount of data needed to convey high-quality digital audio. First, 
signal components that are "perceptually irrelevant" and can be 
discarded without a perceived loss of audio quality are removed. Next, 
redundancies in the coded audio signal are eliminated. Efficient audio 
compression is achieved by a variety of perceptual audio coding and 
data compression tools, which are combined in the MPEG-4 AAC 
specification.

  The MPEG-4 AAC standard incorporates MPEG-2 AAC, forming the basis of 
the MPEG-4 audio compression technology for data rates above 32 kbps 
per channel. Additional tools increase the effectiveness of AAC at 
lower bit rates, and add scalability or error resilience 
characteristics. These additional tools extend AAC into its MPEG-4 
incarnation (ISO/IEC 14496-3, Subpart 4).

HTH.

Marian




On Dec 27, 2004, at 7:53 PM, Paul Salyers wrote:

>
>
>
> I heard there was a better sound format called MP4. Anyone know any 
> thing about this for sure?
>
>
> Paul Salyers
> PS1 - Senior Rep.
> PS1 at softseven.org
> http://ps1.softseven.org
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>

From ps1 at softseven.org  Mon Dec 27 20:42:42 2004
From: ps1 at softseven.org (Paul Salyers)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 19:42:42 -0600
Subject: MP3 VS MP4
In-Reply-To: <CE1E77A8-586C-11D9-976D-000A959D005E@earthlink.net>
References: <BDF232AD.BF49%kray@sonsothunder.com>
 <p06110400bdf4f2c0f22e@[192.168.0.4]>
 <00ae01c4ec62$98021540$cf04113f@DOWNSTAIRS>
 <p06110402bdf65c150450@[192.168.0.4]>
 <6.1.1.1.2.20041227185129.026b4238@softseven.org>
 <CE1E77A8-586C-11D9-976D-000A959D005E@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <6.1.1.1.2.20041227194018.0277e350@softseven.org>




I had heard that Mac was producing an MP4 format for sounds that is going 
be compressed tighter than MP3, also it's going be a Public Domain format. 
(FREE) no license will be needed.

Would like this confermed if anyone knows about it.

Paul Salyers
PS1 - Senior Rep.
PS1 at softseven.org
(918) 465-7426 -- Cell
(918) 967-1013 -- Home 


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Tue Dec 28 00:33:35 2004
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 23:33:35 -0600
Subject: identify broken images
In-Reply-To: <5A63A93C-57FF-11D9-9E9B-000A27E40768@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <BDF64C4F.C2F9%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 12/27/04 6:03 AM, "Thierry Arbellot" <thierry.arbellot at wanadoo.fr> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Have you tried the size property on the image ?
> if the size of image "im_1" =  0 then ...
> 
> Thierry
> 
> On Monday, Dec 27, 2004, at 00:11 Europe/Paris, Claus Dreischer wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> i have a small problem i don't see a simple solution for.
>> Maybe someone here has one.
>> 
>> I want to display JPGs from file, so i make a
>> 
>> put URL ("binfile:" & my_file) into image "im_1"
>> 
>> This is working OK.
>> But when the JPG in the filepath my_file is faulty (broken download or
>> something)
>> The above line displays an empty image "im_1".
>> 
>> I now want to identify these faulty images.
>> I tried the following with no result:
>> 
>> if the imagedata of image "im_1" is not empty then ...
>> 
>> if image "im_1" is not empty then ...
>> 
>> if the length of image "im_1" > 0 then ...
>> 
>> 
>> Has anyone an idea how to identify an "empty" image?
>> (its not realy empty but nothing is displayed)

Can't you just say:
 
 if there is a file (the fileName of image "im_1") then
    answer "it's cool"
 else
    answer "it's missing"
 end if


Or am I missing something?

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From kray at sonsothunder.com  Tue Dec 28 00:34:35 2004
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 23:34:35 -0600
Subject: Arrow keys on background list field
In-Reply-To: <20041227080518633274.GyazMail.tsalagi@elohigadugi.org>
Message-ID: <BDF64C8B.C2FA%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 12/27/04 10:05 AM, "duane poncy" <tsalagi at elohigadugi.org> wrote:

> Also, the arrow key seems to bring up the last
> card I was on, instead of the next card on the list.
> Sometimes it even brings up the Rev Documentation
> stack if I've been using that recently.
> 
> Thanks for any help you can give me!

  set the navigationArrows to false

That should do it...

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From ps1 at softseven.org  Tue Dec 28 00:37:23 2004
From: ps1 at softseven.org (Paul Salyers)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 23:37:23 -0600
Subject: programming
In-Reply-To: <BDF64C8B.C2FA%kray@sonsothunder.com>
References: <20041227080518633274.GyazMail.tsalagi@elohigadugi.org>
 <BDF64C8B.C2FA%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.1.1.2.20041227233541.0278b008@softseven.org>





Anyone here interested din programming for me in Rev?

Paul Salyers
PS1 - Senior Rep.
PS1 at softseven.org
http://ps1.softseven.org


From webmaster at dreamscapesoftware.com  Tue Dec 28 00:43:19 2004
From: webmaster at dreamscapesoftware.com (Derek Bump)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 23:43:19 -0600
Subject: identify broken images
References: <BDF64C4F.C2F9%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <000e01c4eca0$23a45030$b190fc04@DOWNSTAIRS>

> Or am I missing something?

A "broken" image is an image who's contents are not entirely there.  This often happens when a connection is lost while downloading files over the internet.  The file in fact does reside on your computer's hard drive, but it is not entirely complete.

The script that you showed would only verify the file's presence, not it's integrity.
 

Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software
____________________________________________
Compress Images Easily with JPEGCompress
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com

From klaus at major-k.de  Tue Dec 28 05:42:13 2004
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 11:42:13 +0100
Subject: identify broken images
In-Reply-To: <p06110402bdf65c150450@[192.168.0.4]>
References: <BDF232AD.BF49%kray@sonsothunder.com>
	<p06110400bdf4f2c0f22e@[192.168.0.4]>
	<00ae01c4ec62$98021540$cf04113f@DOWNSTAIRS>
	<p06110402bdf65c150450@[192.168.0.4]>
Message-ID: <22993AC6-58BD-11D9-A152-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>

Hi Claus and Derek,

> At 16:22 Uhr -0600 27.12.2004, Derek Bump wrote:
>> I did notice that compairing the "imagePixmapID" is giving me clues 
>> to solve the problem.  If the image is a "referenced" image, and it 
>> is broken, it seems to be reporting empty.  If the image is not 
>> "referenced", and it is broken, the imagePixmapID is reporting a 
>> negative number.  Is this what your looking for...
>>
>> if (the imagePixmapID of img "test") is empty then
>>    answer "This image is broken and unreadable."
>>    exit to top
>> end if
>>
>> Derek Bump
>
> Hi Derek,
>
> THAT'S exactly what i was looking for!
> Thank you.
>
> Now, how can this information come back to  bug 762?
> Klaus?
> Can you put this solution/information there so that other people can 
> find it?

Sure, just added this to Godzilla :-)
(But the other problem with the ugly grey background still remains...)

I found that the imagepixmapid is always (at least in my tests here) 
empty if an image
(imported or referenced) is broken or not even an image...

Anyway, if it is a valid image, it will always be a positive number!
Very useful, indeed :-)

> Once again, thanks Derek.
>
> Regards,
> 	Claus.
> 	(the tall one ;)

Regards

Klaus, the small(?) one, but with a major K ;-)


Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de


From malte.brill at t-online.de  Tue Dec 28 05:58:04 2004
From: malte.brill at t-online.de (malte.brill at t-online.de)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 11:58:04 +0100 (CET)
Subject: resize in browse mode
In-Reply-To: <20041227170024.951FB93008C@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20041227170024.951FB93008C@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <1104231290.41d13b7a393a4@modem.webmail.t-online.de>

Hi Bob and all,

I hope I?m not double posting this solution. (I need to read the
archives online at the moment using dial up) 
You can try this:

In the fields script:

on mousemove 
  if the optionkey is down and the mouse is down then
    set the rect of me to the topleft of me,the mouseloc
  end if
end mousemove

Hope that helps.

Regards,

Malte

From malte.brill at t-online.de  Tue Dec 28 06:51:17 2004
From: malte.brill at t-online.de (malte.brill at t-online.de)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 12:51:17 +0100 (CET)
Subject: resize in browse mode
In-Reply-To: <20041227170024.951FB93008C@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20041227170024.951FB93008C@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <1104234219.41d146eb265cf@modem.webmail.t-online.de>

Hi,

I did it again... Posting without propewr testing. <g> 
The previous script only works if the field is empty. The script below
also works with non empty fields.

on mouseMove
  if the optionkey is down and the mouse is down then
    set the lockText of me to true
    set the rect of me to the topleft of me,the mouseloc
    --add width and height check here
  end if
end mouseMove

on mouseRelease
  set the lockText of me to false
end mouseRelease

You might want to check if the field is broader or taller than a
certain threshold (30 Pixels in this case):

on mouseMove
  if the optionkey is down and the mouse is down then
    set the lockText of me to true
    lock screen
    set the rect of me to the topleft of me,the mouseloc
    --width and height check  below
     put the topleft of me into oldTopleft
     if the width of me<30 then 
       set the width of me to 30
     end if
      if the height of me<30 then
         set the height of me to 30
      end if
      set the topleft of me to oldTopleft
      unlock screen 
   end if
end mouseMove

on mouseRelease
  set the lockText of me to false
end mouseRelease

Sorry for posting too fast in my previous mail.

Best,

Malte

From malte.brill at t-online.de  Tue Dec 28 07:01:15 2004
From: malte.brill at t-online.de (malte.brill at t-online.de)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 13:01:15 +0100 (CET)
Subject: resize in browse mode
In-Reply-To: <20041227170024.951FB93008C@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20041227170024.951FB93008C@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <1104235119.41d14a6f7e40c@modem.webmail.t-online.de>

Ok ok...

one thing I forgot. <g>

please add a mouseUp handler to avoid the field staying locked

on mouseMove
  if the optionkey is down and the mouse is down then
    set the lockText of me to true
    set the rect of me to the topleft of me,the mouseloc
    --add width and height check here
  end if
end mouseMove

on mouseRelease
  set the lockText of me to false
end mouseRelease

on mouseUp
  mouseRelease
end mouseUp

Now I shut up...

Malte

From malte.brill at t-online.de  Tue Dec 28 07:14:30 2004
From: malte.brill at t-online.de (malte.brill at t-online.de)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 13:14:30 +0100 (CET)
Subject: putting images
In-Reply-To: <20041227170024.951FB93008C@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20041227170024.951FB93008C@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <1104235770.41d14cfa4c68b@modem.webmail.t-online.de>

Chipp wrote:

>try this:

>put img "myImageNumber3" of card "CardFullOfImages" into img
"myImage"

Or to save memory  use a button. Make sure it?s a transparent one.

lock screen
set the width of btn "myButton" to the width of img "yourImage" cd
"cardFullOfImages"
set the height of btn "myButton" to the height of img "yourImage" cd
"cardFullOfImages"
--do the same for the loc if needed..
set the icon of btn "myButton" to the ID of img "yourImage" cd
"cardFullOfImages"
unlock screen

Best,

Malte

From alex at tweedly.net  Tue Dec 28 08:03:21 2004
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 13:03:21 +0000
Subject: UDP (datagram) socket usage.
In-Reply-To: <65B4BED2-57B4-11D9-9103-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
References: <41CF53AD.6060506@tweedly.net>
	<0BCC1119-57A9-11D9-9103-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com> <41CF760E.2070407@tweedly.net>
	<65B4BED2-57B4-11D9-9103-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <41D15999.6080803@tweedly.net>

Dar Scott wrote:

> Sorry about that.  I was confused about this originally, too.  The 
> docs don't help.  And it being unlike the TCP comm, confuses it, too.
>
> When you 'open datagram socket', specify a callback.  The callback is 
> NOT for completion of the open.  That completes immediately.  It is 
> for the incoming packets, the responses.

I could have tried for a month of Sundays without guessing that  - thank 
you.

The echo client / server now almost works (i.e. server works all the 
time, client works to the Rev server, but haven't yet got it to work 
with the original (non-Rev) server on another machine).

> The slight minus is that there is no way to squelch input.  The big 
> plus is that you don't loose data.
>
> Some UDP client-server transactions are short-lived.  The server sends 
> one datagram back and closes.  The client receives one one response 
> datagram and closes.  (If this doesn't fit your model, we can get more 
> into it.)

No, there's no problem with the model - I've been working with 
connectionless protocols including UDP for the best part of 20 years; 
I'm pretty comfortable with distributed algorithms - the model fits this 
application very nicely.

It's simply the translation of the standard BSD-socket API into Rev 
that's confusing me (and the rather less than helpful docs). 
Fortunately, as usual, the very helpful list members go a long way to 
make up the the unhelpful docs.

Thank you again
-- Alex.



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From tsalagi at elohigadugi.org  Tue Dec 28 10:50:42 2004
From: tsalagi at elohigadugi.org (duane poncy)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 07:50:42 -0800
Subject: use-revolution Digest, Vol 15, Issue 77
In-Reply-To: <20041228120952.1E6419300E5@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20041228120952.1E6419300E5@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <20041228075042488965.GyazMail.tsalagi@elohigadugi.org>

Thank you! I guess I should use the update menu item
occasionally!

Duane



On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 07:09:52 -0500 (EST), use-revolution-
request at lists.runrev.com wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> If you use rev 2.5, this bug has been fixed.
> You should run "check for updates" from the "help" menu.
> 
> Thierry
> 
> On Monday, Dec 27, 2004, at 18:40 Europe/Paris, duane poncy wrote:
> 
>>  I'm sure I must be doing something stupid, but I am
>>  trying to put an email link in my menu. I have tried
>>  both revMail and revGoURL. Instead of opening my
>>  email program, it opens my browser to an http address
>>  followed by my mailto address. Other links (on
>>  websites, programs, etc.) open correctly, so it's
>>  not my system settings.
>> 
>>  I am on a Mac G4 with OSX. Any ideas?

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From fde101 at fjrhome.net  Tue Dec 28 10:58:04 2004
From: fde101 at fjrhome.net (Frank D. Engel, Jr.)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 10:58:04 -0500
Subject: What's I doing wrong
In-Reply-To: <567DD5AC-569F-11D9-B3EB-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>
References: <20041225165538.2096D930143@mail.runrev.com>
	<Pine.GSO.4.58.0412251131500.18237@vertex.ucls.uchicago.edu>
	<6.1.1.1.2.20041225114013.0266c5f8@softseven.org>
	<567DD5AC-569F-11D9-B3EB-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <41F1882E-58E9-11D9-AF97-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>

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Right, in Rev, a checkbox is just one "style" of button, as are radio 
buttons, etc.

You can also check (or uncheck) a checkbox by setting the hilite 
property, and you can intercept changes to the hilite with a mouseUp 
handler in the button's script.

On Dec 25, 2004, at 1:03 PM, Klaus Major wrote:

> Hi Paul
>
>> When I typed in "check" I get nothing about a check box. I want know 
>> how to test if there is a check in there or not. If there is I want 
>> one message displayed if no check is there I want a different message 
>> displayed.
>>
>> Then instructions will be carried out as to if the check exists or 
>> not.
>>
>> When searching for "check" all I got was "checkmark property "
>>
>> "check box" got nothing.
>
> you need to check "the hilite" of that button...
>
> ...
> if the hilite of btn "my checkbox" = true then
>    ## it it "checked"
>    ## do something
> else
>   ## it is NOT "checked"
>   ## do something else...
> end if
> ...
>
> Hope that helps...
>
>> Paul Salyers
>> PS1 - Senior Rep.
>> PS1 at softseven.org
>> http://ps1.softseven.org
>
> Regards and merry christmas :-)
>
> Klaus Major
> klaus at major-k.de
> http://www.major-k.de
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
>
- -----------------------------------------------------------
Frank D. Engel, Jr.  <fde101 at fjrhome.net>

$ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
$ true | cat /usr/manual | grep "John 3:16"
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten 
Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have 
everlasting life.
$
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From fde101 at fjrhome.net  Tue Dec 28 11:04:34 2004
From: fde101 at fjrhome.net (Frank D. Engel, Jr.)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 11:04:34 -0500
Subject: Example stack (storing external data)
In-Reply-To: <3d8af415041226052444946299@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3d8af415041226052444946299@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2ABE3FC2-58EA-11D9-AF97-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>

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As for the "not easily readable" part, you can set the password 
property to encrypt the stack.

On Dec 26, 2004, at 8:24 AM, Glen Bojsza wrote:

> Though there have been many discussions around "how to store data"
> from a standalone application I have never found an example stack.
>
> I want to create a small application which contains several cards. On
> each card the user can build a network using some predefined graphics
> and store specific information (custom properties) about each graphic.
>
> For each network map the application will create a new card.
>
> Since you cannot store the information inside the stanalone stack an
> external stack (netmap.dat) needs to be maintained.
>
> I am looking for input as how it would best be managed. There is also
> the importance that  the netmap.dat file be secure from prying eyes
> (not easily readable).
>
> Again, I appreciate everyone's thoughts.
>
> regards,
>
> Glen
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
>
- -----------------------------------------------------------
Frank D. Engel, Jr.  <fde101 at fjrhome.net>

$ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
$ true | cat /usr/manual | grep "John 3:16"
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten 
Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have 
everlasting life.
$
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From BNZ2 at CDC.GOV  Tue Dec 28 11:13:03 2004
From: BNZ2 at CDC.GOV (Lynch, Jonathan)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 11:13:03 -0500
Subject: Example stack (storing external data)
Message-ID: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A9469E6B@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>

Something to consider - will the size of this data stack keep growing
indefinitely? If so, every time you save it, you are saving the entire
data set, not just the new card. This gets cumbersome when the stack
gets very large. With an indefinitely expanding data set, you need to
work out a scheme for archiving old data, or creating a new stack every
year (or month, or whatever), or saving each record as an independent
stack, or as an independent text file.

-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Frank D.
Engel, Jr.
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 11:05 AM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: Example stack (storing external data)

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

As for the "not easily readable" part, you can set the password 
property to encrypt the stack.

On Dec 26, 2004, at 8:24 AM, Glen Bojsza wrote:

> Though there have been many discussions around "how to store data"
> from a standalone application I have never found an example stack.
>
> I want to create a small application which contains several cards. On
> each card the user can build a network using some predefined graphics
> and store specific information (custom properties) about each graphic.
>
> For each network map the application will create a new card.
>
> Since you cannot store the information inside the stanalone stack an
> external stack (netmap.dat) needs to be maintained.
>
> I am looking for input as how it would best be managed. There is also
> the importance that  the netmap.dat file be secure from prying eyes
> (not easily readable).
>
> Again, I appreciate everyone's thoughts.
>
> regards,
>
> Glen
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>
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$ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
$ true | cat /usr/manual | grep "John 3:16"
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten 
Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have 
everlasting life.
$
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From fde101 at fjrhome.net  Tue Dec 28 11:16:42 2004
From: fde101 at fjrhome.net (Frank D. Engel, Jr.)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 11:16:42 -0500
Subject: Using Md5Digest on stacks loaded in memory
In-Reply-To: <1FF6FEAC-5794-11D9-9103-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
References: <20041225165538.493A0930151@mail.runrev.com>
	<F060519B-5732-11D9-A88F-000A9580FCCE@backtalk.com>
	<1FF6FEAC-5794-11D9-9103-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <DC5ACAC2-58EB-11D9-AF97-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>

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Hash: SHA1

A better, "off-the-shelf" solution for verification of the stacks would 
be to create detached signatures with a system such as GPG (a free 
download), which can then be verified with a public key.

This way, you'd have a "proven" cryptographic signature generated 
against the entire file which could be used to verify its authenticity, 
rather than dealing with a subset of the file (one or more custom 
properties or scripts).

OS X download: macgpg.sourceforge.net

Windows download: winpt.sourceforge.net

Other platforms (official site): www.gnupg.org


On Dec 26, 2004, at 6:16 PM, Dar Scott wrote:

>
> On Dec 26, 2004, at 4:40 AM, Frank Leahy wrote:
>
>> Just a thought...I haven't tried it myself, but Is it possible that 
>> setting the custom property to store the MD5 digest is altering the 
>> stack so that the in-memory MD5 digest no longer matches the on-disk 
>> value?
>
> I didn't think of this scenario.  I was picturing Alejandro trying to 
> take the md5 of the one in memory.
>
> Dar
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$ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
$ true | cat /usr/manual | grep "John 3:16"
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten 
Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have 
everlasting life.
$
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From BNZ2 at CDC.GOV  Tue Dec 28 11:27:36 2004
From: BNZ2 at CDC.GOV (Lynch, Jonathan)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 11:27:36 -0500
Subject: Dealing with empty groups...
Message-ID: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A9469E6C@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>

It seems that an empty group will neither accept a mouseup message, nor
allow that mouseup message to be passed to the card.

Does anyone have suggestions on how to handle that?

From fde101 at fjrhome.net  Tue Dec 28 11:27:09 2004
From: fde101 at fjrhome.net (Frank D. Engel, Jr.)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 11:27:09 -0500
Subject: MP3 VS MP4
In-Reply-To: <6.1.1.1.2.20041227194018.0277e350@softseven.org>
References: <BDF232AD.BF49%kray@sonsothunder.com>
	<p06110400bdf4f2c0f22e@[192.168.0.4]>
	<00ae01c4ec62$98021540$cf04113f@DOWNSTAIRS>
	<p06110402bdf65c150450@[192.168.0.4]>
	<6.1.1.1.2.20041227185129.026b4238@softseven.org>
	<CE1E77A8-586C-11D9-976D-000A959D005E@earthlink.net>
	<6.1.1.1.2.20041227194018.0277e350@softseven.org>
Message-ID: <5270CDC6-58ED-11D9-AF97-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>

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Don't know about this, but if you are interested in a hi-Q, patent-free 
audio codec, be sure you check out http://www.vorbis.com

On Dec 27, 2004, at 8:42 PM, Paul Salyers wrote:

>
>
>
> I had heard that Mac was producing an MP4 format for sounds that is 
> going be compressed tighter than MP3, also it's going be a Public 
> Domain format. (FREE) no license will be needed.
>
> Would like this confermed if anyone knows about it.
>
> Paul Salyers
> PS1 - Senior Rep.
> PS1 at softseven.org
> (918) 465-7426 -- Cell
> (918) 967-1013 -- Home
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> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
>
- -----------------------------------------------------------
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$ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
$ true | cat /usr/manual | grep "John 3:16"
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten 
Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have 
everlasting life.
$
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From RGould8 at aol.com  Tue Dec 28 11:40:26 2004
From: RGould8 at aol.com (RGould8 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 11:40:26 EST
Subject: Way for browser to talk to Rev?
Message-ID: <ce.5edadedc.2f02e67a@aol.com>

I know that I can use Revolution to talk to Applescript to pass 
values/commands to IE and Safari via their "Do Applescript" calls, but is there a method of 
going the other way?   (For instance, pressing a button on a web-page which 
sends a Javascript call back to Revolution that can be picked up?)

From kray at sonsothunder.com  Tue Dec 28 11:41:39 2004
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 10:41:39 -0600
Subject: identify broken images
In-Reply-To: <000e01c4eca0$23a45030$b190fc04@DOWNSTAIRS>
Message-ID: <BDF6E8E3.C53F%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 12/27/04 11:43 PM, "Derek Bump" <webmaster at dreamscapesoftware.com> wrote:

>> Or am I missing something?
> 
> A "broken" image is an image who's contents are not entirely there.  This
> often happens when a connection is lost while downloading files over the
> internet.  The file in fact does reside on your computer's hard drive, but it
> is not entirely complete.
> 
> The script that you showed would only verify the file's presence, not it's
> integrity.

Thanks Derek... I misread the original post...
Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Tue Dec 28 11:46:55 2004
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 08:46:55 -0800
Subject: MP3 VS MP4
In-Reply-To: <6.1.1.1.2.20041227194018.0277e350@softseven.org>
References: <BDF232AD.BF49%kray@sonsothunder.com>
	<p06110400bdf4f2c0f22e@[192.168.0.4]>
	<00ae01c4ec62$98021540$cf04113f@DOWNSTAIRS>
	<p06110402bdf65c150450@[192.168.0.4]>
	<6.1.1.1.2.20041227185129.026b4238@softseven.org>
	<CE1E77A8-586C-11D9-976D-000A959D005E@earthlink.net>
	<6.1.1.1.2.20041227194018.0277e350@softseven.org>
Message-ID: <153CC25B-58F0-11D9-A63B-000D9337CDC8@mangomultimedia.com>

On Dec 27, 2004, at 5:42 PM, Paul Salyers wrote:

> I had heard that Mac was producing an MP4 format for sounds that is 
> going be compressed tighter than MP3, also it's going be a Public 
> Domain format. (FREE) no license will be needed.
>
> Would like this confermed if anyone knows about it.

You can currently export AAC audio files (audio format used in MP4) 
using QuickTime Pro.  You can get much better sound quality at a given 
bitrate using AAC encoding as opposed to creating a MP3 file.  If you 
want to compare the same file compressed with mp3 or aac you can 
download a song that has been compressed with both at my brother's 
website:

<http://www.nathandevore.com/>

Just scroll down the page and click on the "Free Mp3 Download" link.  
The page it takes you to has both an mp3 and mp4 file.  The mp4 file is 
compressed at a lower bitrate and is about 500k smaller.  This will 
allow you to compare quality.  Also, the audio player (link on the left 
of page) that lets you sample his music is all compressed using aac but 
with a higher quality then the free download.


-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Multimedia
trevor at mangomultimedia.com


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Tue Dec 28 11:45:46 2004
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 10:45:46 -0600
Subject: Way for browser to talk to Rev?
In-Reply-To: <ce.5edadedc.2f02e67a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BDF6E9DA.C541%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 12/28/04 10:40 AM, "RGould8 at aol.com" <RGould8 at aol.com> wrote:

> I know that I can use Revolution to talk to Applescript to pass
> values/commands to IE and Safari via their "Do Applescript" calls, but is
> there a method of
> going the other way?   (For instance, pressing a button on a web-page which
> sends a Javascript call back to Revolution that can be picked up?)

Well, if you are using a "normal" browser, the only thing I can think of is
to have the button in the web page call a CGI which stores some information
and have a front-end Rev app query the CGI periodically to see if it is
received the "call" from the browser.

However, if you want to *embed* the browser into a Rev stack using Chipp's
altBrowser, you could do this by creating a "fake" url to go to, which
altBrowser can trap and you can take action based on it.

There may be other ways, but those are the only ones I've thought of so far.

HTH,

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From kray at sonsothunder.com  Tue Dec 28 11:48:06 2004
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 10:48:06 -0600
Subject: Dealing with empty groups...
In-Reply-To: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A9469E6C@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
Message-ID: <BDF6EA66.C543%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 12/28/04 10:27 AM, "Lynch, Jonathan" <BNZ2 at CDC.GOV> wrote:

> It seems that an empty group will neither accept a mouseup message, nor
> allow that mouseup message to be passed to the card.
> 
> Does anyone have suggestions on how to handle that?

Well, my suggestion may not help, but it would be to never have an empty
group; instead, leave a transparent button that is the size of the group
inside the group to act as the trap.


Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From tsalagi at elohigadugi.org  Tue Dec 28 11:53:17 2004
From: tsalagi at elohigadugi.org (duane poncy)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 08:53:17 -0800
Subject: Arrow keys on background list field
In-Reply-To: <20041228120952.1E6419300E5@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20041228120952.1E6419300E5@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <20041228085317392685.GyazMail.tsalagi@elohigadugi.org>

Thanks guys!  A combination of all three of your 
suggestions did the trick.


On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 07:09:52 -0500 (EST), use-revolution-
request at lists.runrev.com wrote:

> 
> What I think is happening is that, each time a new card comes up, the
> "focus" is no longer on the scroll list field and thus the "arrowKey"
> message is being handled by another object. The solution, I imagine, is to
> insert some script lines somewhere (the card? the stack?) that use Rev's
> "focus", "arrowKey" and "focusedObject" to ensure the scroll list field
> always receives the "arrowKey" message.
> 
> Cheers,
> Nicolas Cueto
> (Japan)


Cubist at aol.com sez:
>    Seems to me that trapping for the "keyDown" message, or perhaps 
> "arrowKey", might be helpful here. Something along these 
> lines should do what you want:
> 
> on keyDown Diskey
>   put the hilitedLine of me into CurrentLine
>   switch DisKey
>   case "left"
>     # if you want the left arrow to behave the same as the up arrow,
>     # remove all the code from this 'fork' of the switch
>     put 1 into NextLine
>     break
>   case "up"
>     # note: i don't recall the precise syntax for the value of "the 
> hilitedLine",
>     # so you may need to tweak the line immediately after this comment
>     put max ((CurrentLine - 1), the number of lines in me) into NextLine
>     break
>   case "right"
>     # see comment for the "left" fork of this switch
>     put the number of lines in me into NextLine
>   case "down"
>     # same caveat as for "up"
>     put min ((CurrentLine + 1), the number of lines in me) into NextLine
>     break
>   default
>     # this fork of the switch covers everything *but* arrow keys.
>     # do as you please with them
>   end switch
> 
>   if CurrentLine = NextLine then
>     # the user is trying to scroll back to before the first line,
>     # or else to scroll past the last line. BAD user!
>     beep 2
>   else
>     # let the user scroll normally
>     set the hilitedline of me to NextLine
>     if DisKey is in "left up" then
>       go prev card
>     else
>       go next card
>     end if
>   end if
> end keyDown
> 
>    That handler has not been tested, but its underlying logic (if not its 
> *syntax*...) should be okay. Hope this helps...
> 


> 
>   set the navigationArrows to false
> 
> That should do it...
> 
> Ken Ray
> Sons of Thunder Software
> Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
> Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
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From BNZ2 at CDC.GOV  Tue Dec 28 11:57:14 2004
From: BNZ2 at CDC.GOV (Lynch, Jonathan)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 11:57:14 -0500
Subject: Dealing with empty groups...
Message-ID: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A90EC5BD@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>

The empty group acts as a page. If I have an invisible object across the
whole page in there, then when other objects on that page are sent to
the bottom layer of that page, they will be under the invisible button.
I can see that causing various problems.

As long as the group is not empty - then having a script in the card
script that says...

On mouseup
   If the mouseloc is within the rect of group "Page Content 1" then
      (do whatever it is that needs to be done when selecting the page)
   End if
End mouseup

Seems to work fine.

If I have to use a transparent object - then I can just put any object
that does not interfere with the layering of other objects into the
group, and that will allow the group to pass the mouseup message.

It just seems odd that an empty group would trap the mouseup message
without actually responding to it in any way. I was hoping that there
was some property of the group that could be adjusted to control this
behavior.

-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Ken Ray
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 11:48 AM
To: Use Revolution List
Subject: Re: Dealing with empty groups...

On 12/28/04 10:27 AM, "Lynch, Jonathan" <BNZ2 at CDC.GOV> wrote:

> It seems that an empty group will neither accept a mouseup message,
nor
> allow that mouseup message to be passed to the card.
> 
> Does anyone have suggestions on how to handle that?

Well, my suggestion may not help, but it would be to never have an empty
group; instead, leave a transparent button that is the size of the group
inside the group to act as the trap.


Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com


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From kray at sonsothunder.com  Tue Dec 28 11:57:20 2004
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 10:57:20 -0600
Subject: resize in browse mode
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20041227084927.0037e530@mail.armbase.com>
Message-ID: <BDF6EC90.C549%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 12/27/04 2:51 AM, "Bob Hartley" <rev at armbase.com> wrote:

> Hi Ken and others
> 
> This works partly
> 
>> Ah, that's the problem. In order to trap the mouse going down, you'll need
>> to do one of the following:
>> 
>> 1) Temporarily lock the field by trapping the "mouseWithin" of the field,
>> checking for the state of the alt (option) key and then unlocking the field
>> when the mouse has been released (or moved out of the field); or
>> 
>> 2) Create a separate object at the lower-right corner of the open field
>> (perhaps a transparent button) that can act as a "resizer". This object
>> would move along with the field as it is resized.
>> 
>> Here's an example of the first:
>> 
>> on mouseStillDown
>>   if the optionKey is down then
>>     put the rect of me into tRect
>>     put the mouseH into item 3 of tRect
>>     put the mouseV into item 4 of tRect
>>     set the rect of me to tRect
>>   end if
>> end mouseStillDown
>> 
>> on mouseWithin
>>   if the optionKey is down then
>>     if the lockText of me is false then
>>       set the lockText of me to true
>>     end if
>>   else
>>     if the lockText of me is true then
>>       set the lockText of me to false
>>     end if
>>   end if
>> end mouseWithin
>> 
>> Does this work for you?
> 
> 
> Almost.
> 
> It works for the action I saught but it now stops the earlier grab action
> to move the field with control held (It will resize with alt)
> 
> The full ascript is
> on mouseDown
>     if the controlKey is down then
>       grab me
>       end if
> end mouseDown
>    if the optionKey is down then
>      put the rect of me into tRect
>      put the mouseH into item 3 of tRect
>      put the mouseV into item 4 of tRect
>      set the rect of me to tRect
>    end if
> end mouseStillDown
> 
> on mouseWithin
>    if the optionKey is down then
>      if the lockText of me is false then
>        set the lockText of me to true
>      end if
>    else
>      if the lockText of me is true then
>        set the lockText of me to false
>      end if
>    end if
> end mouseWithin

Well, you're missing the "on mouseStillDown" part of the code; once I added
that in, it works fine (I've checked both Mac and Windows). So it should be:

on mouseDown
    if the controlKey is down then
      grab me
    end if
end mouseDown

on mouseStillDown
    if the optionKey is down then
     put the rect of me into tRect
     put the mouseH into item 3 of tRect
     put the mouseV into item 4 of tRect
     set the rect of me to tRect
   end if
end mouseStillDown

on mouseWithin
   if the optionKey is down then
     if the lockText of me is false then
       set the lockText of me to true
     end if
   else
     if the lockText of me is true then
       set the lockText of me to false
     end if
   end if
end mouseWithin

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From BNZ2 at CDC.GOV  Tue Dec 28 11:59:40 2004
From: BNZ2 at CDC.GOV (Lynch, Jonathan)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 11:59:40 -0500
Subject: Way for browser to talk to Rev?
Message-ID: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A9469E6E@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>

Can javascript be used to send a message to a port? If so, the Rev app
could be set to listen to that port, and receive messages from the
browser.

-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Ken Ray
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 11:46 AM
To: Use Revolution List
Subject: Re: Way for browser to talk to Rev?

On 12/28/04 10:40 AM, "RGould8 at aol.com" <RGould8 at aol.com> wrote:

> I know that I can use Revolution to talk to Applescript to pass
> values/commands to IE and Safari via their "Do Applescript" calls, but
is
> there a method of
> going the other way?   (For instance, pressing a button on a web-page
which
> sends a Javascript call back to Revolution that can be picked up?)

Well, if you are using a "normal" browser, the only thing I can think of
is
to have the button in the web page call a CGI which stores some
information
and have a front-end Rev app query the CGI periodically to see if it is
received the "call" from the browser.

However, if you want to *embed* the browser into a Rev stack using
Chipp's
altBrowser, you could do this by creating a "fake" url to go to, which
altBrowser can trap and you can take action based on it.

There may be other ways, but those are the only ones I've thought of so
far.

HTH,

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com


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From jbv.silences at Club-Internet.fr  Tue Dec 28 12:06:52 2004
From: jbv.silences at Club-Internet.fr (jbv)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 18:06:52 +0100
Subject: Way for browser to talk to Rev?
References: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A9469E6E@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
Message-ID: <41D192A6.AE518DB1@Club-Internet.fr>



> Can javascript be used to send a message to a port?

not as far as I know...

> If so, the Rev app
> could be set to listen to that port, and receive messages from the
> browser.

however this might be feasable with a java applet...

JB


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Tue Dec 28 12:34:42 2004
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 11:34:42 -0600
Subject: Dealing with empty groups...
In-Reply-To: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A90EC5BD@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
Message-ID: <BDF6F552.C553%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 12/28/04 10:57 AM, "Lynch, Jonathan" <BNZ2 at CDC.GOV> wrote:

> The empty group acts as a page. If I have an invisible object across the
> whole page in there, then when other objects on that page are sent to
> the bottom layer of that page, they will be under the invisible button.
> I can see that causing various problems.
> 
> As long as the group is not empty - then having a script in the card
> script that says...
> 
> On mouseup
>    If the mouseloc is within the rect of group "Page Content 1" then
>       (do whatever it is that needs to be done when selecting the page)
>    End if
> End mouseup
> 
> Seems to work fine.

Sorry, but I thought you said that the empty group *wasn't* passing the
mouseUp message to the card:

>> It seems that an empty group will neither accept a mouseup message,
>> nor allow that mouseup message to be passed to the card.

If it *does* pass it to the card, then you've got your solution above. If
not, the transparent object can be sent to the bottom after you've sent
other objects to the bottom (make it part of your "send to bottom layer"
code), so it remains "bottom-most". However, whatever works for you...

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From BNZ2 at CDC.GOV  Tue Dec 28 12:53:57 2004
From: BNZ2 at CDC.GOV (Lynch, Jonathan)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 12:53:57 -0500
Subject: Dealing with empty groups...
Message-ID: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A90EC5BE@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>

>Sorry, but I thought you said that the empty group *wasn't* passing the
>mouseUp message to the card:

Indeed, that is what I said - the empty group is not passing the message
- nor will it respond to the message itself. Having an object in there
solves the problem, and causes it to pass the message. 

Having a bottom layer object that automatically returns to the bottom
seems like it would also work - good idea.

Even though I have a couple workable solutions to the problem at hand, I
am interested in understanding the underlying issue, because I can see
other uses for empty and/or nested groups in the future. Are empty
groups supposed to behave differently than non-empty groups? I have also
noticed that with select grouped objects turned on - an empty group can
be selected as if it were an object. (not by clicking, but by using the
pointer tool to select a box that includes the groups edges)

Is this the result of an internal setting of some sort, or just an
accident of RunRev?


-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Ken Ray
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 12:35 PM
To: Use Revolution List
Subject: Re: Dealing with empty groups...

On 12/28/04 10:57 AM, "Lynch, Jonathan" <BNZ2 at CDC.GOV> wrote:

> The empty group acts as a page. If I have an invisible object across
the
> whole page in there, then when other objects on that page are sent to
> the bottom layer of that page, they will be under the invisible
button.
> I can see that causing various problems.
> 
> As long as the group is not empty - then having a script in the card
> script that says...
> 
> On mouseup
>    If the mouseloc is within the rect of group "Page Content 1" then
>       (do whatever it is that needs to be done when selecting the
page)
>    End if
> End mouseup
> 
> Seems to work fine.

Sorry, but I thought you said that the empty group *wasn't* passing the
mouseUp message to the card:


>> It seems that an empty group will neither accept a mouseup message,
>> nor allow that mouseup message to be passed to the card.

If it *does* pass it to the card, then you've got your solution above.
If
not, the transparent object can be sent to the bottom after you've sent
other objects to the bottom (make it part of your "send to bottom layer"
code), so it remains "bottom-most". However, whatever works for you...

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com


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From dsc at swcp.com  Tue Dec 28 12:57:10 2004
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 10:57:10 -0700
Subject: UDP (datagram) socket usage.
In-Reply-To: <41D15999.6080803@tweedly.net>
References: <41CF53AD.6060506@tweedly.net>
	<0BCC1119-57A9-11D9-9103-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com> <41CF760E.2070407@tweedly.net>
	<65B4BED2-57B4-11D9-9103-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com> <41D15999.6080803@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <E5702E66-58F9-11D9-AAF7-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>


On Dec 28, 2004, at 6:03 AM, Alex Tweedly wrote:

>> When you 'open datagram socket', specify a callback.  The callback is 
>> NOT for completion of the open.  That completes immediately.  It is 
>> for the incoming packets, the responses.
>
> I could have tried for a month of Sundays without guessing that  - 
> thank you.

Me, too.  I learned about from Scott Raney when I reported a bug.  
Somehow, what I had been doing was working.

I think there is a motivation for TCP to do it the UDP way.  I wonder 
if there is a hole in the Revolution model for TCP in which a data 
packet with a FIN can come in during the gap between reads and the data 
get lost.

> I've been working with connectionless protocols including UDP for the 
> best part of 20 years; I'm pretty comfortable with distributed 
> algorithms - the model fits this application very nicely.

Me, too.  We might be resources for each other.

> It's simply the translation of the standard BSD-socket API into Rev 
> that's confusing me (and the rather less than helpful docs).

I don't mind the Rev API.  Doing away with select is a great plus, the 
weakest link in BSD sockets.  I do find things I want to do such that I 
can't.  You mentioned getting the local port.  I have a protocol in 
which I need to set it.

I had proposed a peer-to-peer model for Revolution UDP some time back, 
but when it was set up, it was set up as client-server and used accept. 
  (One problem with that is that if you set up a server for both UDP and 
TCP on the same port, then they look the same on openSockets() and to 
close socket.)

Dar

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From gbojsza at gmail.com  Tue Dec 28 12:59:08 2004
From: gbojsza at gmail.com (Glen Bojsza)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 12:59:08 -0500
Subject: Example stack (storing external data)
In-Reply-To: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A9469E6B@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
References: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A9469E6B@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
Message-ID: <3d8af4150412280959356a9e04@mail.gmail.com>

Interesting question.

Each card could possibly contain  its original data with the exception
of the image positions on the card.

So, depending on the number of images, it may be better to to create a
matrix or array of image type and location and just store this
information. Then whe the user brings up the card that conatins the
network map they want to use I could lock the screen, place the images
and unlock the screen.

Does this sound right?


Glen

On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 11:13:03 -0500, Lynch, Jonathan <BNZ2 at cdc.gov> wrote:
> Something to consider - will the size of this data stack keep growing
> indefinitely? If so, every time you save it, you are saving the entire
> data set, not just the new card. This gets cumbersome when the stack
> gets very large. With an indefinitely expanding data set, you need to
> work out a scheme for archiving old data, or creating a new stack every
> year (or month, or whatever), or saving each record as an independent
> stack, or as an independent text file.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
> [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Frank D.
> Engel, Jr.
> Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 11:05 AM
> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: Re: Example stack (storing external data)
> 
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> As for the "not easily readable" part, you can set the password
> property to encrypt the stack.
> 
> On Dec 26, 2004, at 8:24 AM, Glen Bojsza wrote:
> 
> > Though there have been many discussions around "how to store data"
> > from a standalone application I have never found an example stack.
> >
> > I want to create a small application which contains several cards. On
> > each card the user can build a network using some predefined graphics
> > and store specific information (custom properties) about each graphic.
> >
> > For each network map the application will create a new card.
> >
> > Since you cannot store the information inside the stanalone stack an
> > external stack (netmap.dat) needs to be maintained.
> >
> > I am looking for input as how it would best be managed. There is also
> > the importance that  the netmap.dat file be secure from prying eyes
> > (not easily readable).
> >
> > Again, I appreciate everyone's thoughts.
> >
> > regards,
> >
> > Glen
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-revolution mailing list
> > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> >
> >
> - -----------------------------------------------------------
> Frank D. Engel, Jr.  <fde101 at fjrhome.net>
> 
> $ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
> $ true | cat /usr/manual | grep "John 3:16"
> John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten
> Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have
> everlasting life.
> $
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Dec 28 13:04:44 2004
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 10:04:44 -0800
Subject: Dealing with empty groups...
In-Reply-To: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A90EC5BE@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
References: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A90EC5BE@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
Message-ID: <41D1A03C.7080007@fourthworld.com>

Lynch, Jonathan wrote:
> Even though I have a couple workable solutions to the problem at hand, I
> am interested in understanding the underlying issue, because I can see
> other uses for empty and/or nested groups in the future.

Groups are containers for controls, but are not controls themselves. 
The messages you see passed to the group are generated by events on the 
controls. AFAIK both empty and non-empty groups do not respond to user 
events (mouseDown, mouseUp, etc.), only their controls do.  As a 
container for controls, the group can have a script to handle messages 
triggered by events on controls, but will not respond to those events 
themselves.

This is verifiable with this simple experiment:  make a new stack, but a 
button in it, group it, size the group so that it's much larger than the 
button, then lock its location so it stays that way.  Put this in the 
group's script:

on mouseUp
   put the milliseconds
end mouseUp

Then switch to the browse tool:  When you click on the button you get 
the milliseconds in the Message Box, but clicking in the empty areas of 
  the group does nothing.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  __________________________________________________
  Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev

From gbojsza at gmail.com  Tue Dec 28 13:08:38 2004
From: gbojsza at gmail.com (Glen Bojsza)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 13:08:38 -0500
Subject: Keeping relationships during a drag event.
Message-ID: <3d8af415041228100876f94b55@mail.gmail.com>

The basic description of what I am working to achieve is the following.

I have 2 images (car1 and car2) that are connected by a line.

When the user drags car1 to a different position on the card the
line's points are updated and to the user it appears that the images
are still connected (the idea is a "sticky" line.

What I am trying to figure out is that  I want a field  to be placed
at the center on the line and it needs to maintain that relationship
with the line whenever  the image locations are changed.

The problem is that as the user drags an image around the line and
it's associated field need to move / update smoothly.

I am looking at grouping the line and field verses taking the points
of the line and recalculating the new location of the field.

I was hoping someone would have some experience in this area.

thanks,

Glen

From byront at mac.com  Tue Dec 28 13:43:51 2004
From: byront at mac.com (Byron)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 10:43:51 -0800
Subject: How to add a value to an Item of a menu option button
In-Reply-To: <BDF4A123.C0B3%kray@sonsothunder.com>
References: <BDF4A123.C0B3%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <38853B1D-3F26-4B9B-BFCD-D1A05A70F197@mac.com>

I'm working on a project where I capture the same kind of information . 
.  series of objects with names that end in numbers. As I'm pretty 
inexperienced and didn't understand J?r?me's suggestion, I thought I'd 
mention what I've been doing and see if perhaps I'm going about this in 
the wrong way. I've been using scripts like

get the last character of (myObject)
or
repeat with x = 1 to 6
put empty into field ("object" & x)
set the label of button ("otherObject" & x) to "none"
end repeat

Is this sort of thing particularly inefficient? Am I missing something 
critical if I don't delve into custom properties?

Byron

On Dec 26, 2004, at 3:10 PM, Ken Ray wrote:


> On 12/26/04 4:51 PM, "J?r?me Rosat" <jrosat at mac.com> wrote:
>
>> Bonjour ? tous,
>>
>> In my database, I've got a table with two fields and many records:
>>
>> Value Name
>>
>> 12 Name1
>> 16 Name2
>> 25 Name3
>> etc.
>>
>> On a card I created a menu option button with items come from the 
>> field
>> Name of my database:
>> Menu Items:
>> Name1
>> Name2
>> Name3
>> etc.
>>
>> But when I select an option, I need to now the value of the item
>> selected, not the item itself.
>> For example, if I select "Name2", I need to know the value "16".
>>
>> How to add a value to an Item of a menu option button ?
> Yes. You can add a custom property (like uMenuValue) to the option 
> button
> that contains the values, one on each line:
>
> 12
> 16
> 25
>
> And then do this:
>
> on menuPick
>  put line (the menuHistory of me) of the uMenuValue of me into tValue
>  -- gets the corresponding line in the custom property to the line 
> selected
>  -- in the option menu
>
>  -- do something with tValue
> end menuPick
>
> Ken Ray
> Sons of Thunder Software
> Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
> Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
>
>
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From BNZ2 at CDC.GOV  Tue Dec 28 13:53:55 2004
From: BNZ2 at CDC.GOV (Lynch, Jonathan)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 13:53:55 -0500
Subject: Example stack (storing external data)
Message-ID: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A90EC5BF@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>

I don't know too much about doing it that way - it sounds doable, but
difficult. I prefer archiving by month or by year myself. After 10
years, you wind up with 10 stacks, for example. If you need to search
your archives, writing a script to search all the stacks in a particular
folder should not be too tough.

The method you suggest would probably wind up being very space
efficient, which is a good thing. However, if you were to use complex
objects, like nested groups and the like, then it seems like it would be
really hard to get all your data sorted correctly.

-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Glen
Bojsza
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 12:59 PM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: Example stack (storing external data)

Interesting question.

Each card could possibly contain  its original data with the exception
of the image positions on the card.

So, depending on the number of images, it may be better to to create a
matrix or array of image type and location and just store this
information. Then whe the user brings up the card that conatins the
network map they want to use I could lock the screen, place the images
and unlock the screen.

Does this sound right?


Glen

On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 11:13:03 -0500, Lynch, Jonathan <BNZ2 at cdc.gov>
wrote:
> Something to consider - will the size of this data stack keep growing
> indefinitely? If so, every time you save it, you are saving the entire
> data set, not just the new card. This gets cumbersome when the stack
> gets very large. With an indefinitely expanding data set, you need to
> work out a scheme for archiving old data, or creating a new stack
every
> year (or month, or whatever), or saving each record as an independent
> stack, or as an independent text file.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
> [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Frank D.
> Engel, Jr.
> Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 11:05 AM
> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: Re: Example stack (storing external data)
> 
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> As for the "not easily readable" part, you can set the password
> property to encrypt the stack.
> 
> On Dec 26, 2004, at 8:24 AM, Glen Bojsza wrote:
> 
> > Though there have been many discussions around "how to store data"
> > from a standalone application I have never found an example stack.
> >
> > I want to create a small application which contains several cards.
On
> > each card the user can build a network using some predefined
graphics
> > and store specific information (custom properties) about each
graphic.
> >
> > For each network map the application will create a new card.
> >
> > Since you cannot store the information inside the stanalone stack an
> > external stack (netmap.dat) needs to be maintained.
> >
> > I am looking for input as how it would best be managed. There is
also
> > the importance that  the netmap.dat file be secure from prying eyes
> > (not easily readable).
> >
> > Again, I appreciate everyone's thoughts.
> >
> > regards,
> >
> > Glen
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-revolution mailing list
> > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> >
> >
> - -----------------------------------------------------------
> Frank D. Engel, Jr.  <fde101 at fjrhome.net>
> 
> $ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
> $ true | cat /usr/manual | grep "John 3:16"
> John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten
> Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have
> everlasting life.
> $
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From chipp at chipp.com  Tue Dec 28 14:01:16 2004
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 13:01:16 -0600
Subject: Way for browser to talk to Rev?
In-Reply-To: <ce.5edadedc.2f02e67a@aol.com>
References: <ce.5edadedc.2f02e67a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <41D1AD7C.2010200@chipp.com>

On the PC, I have users click a link in IE, then download a stack then 
launch my RunRev application then load the stack. It's done with MIME 
types and registry data, though I don't think it's a very good idea 
because it's difficult to do cross-platform, and doesn't work in all 
browsers.

You can check out what I mean at www.buttongadget.com (WinXP only)

And of course Ken is correct, it's easy to intercept a link in 
altBrowser and do some action based upon it.

More about altBrowser can be found at:
http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/altBrowserCover/default.htm

best,
Chipp


RGould8 at aol.com wrote:

> I know that I can use Revolution to talk to Applescript to pass 
> values/commands to IE and Safari via their "Do Applescript" calls, but is there a method of 
> going the other way?   (For instance, pressing a button on a web-page which 
> sends a Javascript call back to Revolution that can be picked up?)

From chipp at chipp.com  Tue Dec 28 14:22:13 2004
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 13:22:13 -0600
Subject: Keeping relationships during a drag event.
In-Reply-To: <3d8af415041228100876f94b55@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3d8af415041228100876f94b55@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <41D1B265.2030609@chipp.com>

Hi Glen,

I'd use the mouseMove handler and update the line and fld while dragging 
the image around.

Put this in the msg:

go URL "http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/RunRev/ForGlen.rev"

or you can find a copy of the stack at:
http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/RunRev/Misc.htm

best,

Chipp


Glen Bojsza wrote:

> The basic description of what I am working to achieve is the following.
> 
> I have 2 images (car1 and car2) that are connected by a line.
> 
> When the user drags car1 to a different position on the card the
> line's points are updated and to the user it appears that the images
> are still connected (the idea is a "sticky" line.
> 
> What I am trying to figure out is that  I want a field  to be placed
> at the center on the line and it needs to maintain that relationship
> with the line whenever  the image locations are changed.
> 
> The problem is that as the user drags an image around the line and
> it's associated field need to move / update smoothly.
> 
> I am looking at grouping the line and field verses taking the points
> of the line and recalculating the new location of the field.
> 
> I was hoping someone would have some experience in this area.


From dsc at swcp.com  Tue Dec 28 15:01:49 2004
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 13:01:49 -0700
Subject: Way for browser to talk to Rev?
In-Reply-To: <ce.5edadedc.2f02e67a@aol.com>
References: <ce.5edadedc.2f02e67a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4F384E28-590B-11D9-AAF7-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>


On Dec 28, 2004, at 9:40 AM, RGould8 at aol.com wrote:

> I know that I can use Revolution to talk to Applescript to pass
> values/commands to IE and Safari via their "Do Applescript" calls, but 
> is there a method of
> going the other way?   (For instance, pressing a button on a web-page 
> which
> sends a Javascript call back to Revolution that can be picked up?)

Maybe the Revolution app can be a simple HTTP server on a weird port.  
A form can be sent.  A problem might be in staying on the same page and 
not expecting a new page.

Dar

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From jbv.silences at Club-Internet.fr  Tue Dec 28 15:52:02 2004
From: jbv.silences at Club-Internet.fr (jbv)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 21:52:02 +0100
Subject: Sort : Rev cgi versus mySQL (+ possible bug)
Message-ID: <41D1C771.19C93096@Club-Internet.fr>

I've spent the whole afternoon playing
(well actually trying to write the fastest
script for a client) with Rev cgi and mySql,
especially with sorting of data;
IOW : ORDER BY  vs  sort lines of myVar...

in case of a sort with multiple parameters,
I've found successive sort cmds in the Rev
cgi script to be much faster than SQL cmd
ORDER BY...
Furthermore, Rev seems to offer more
options than SQL (international sort for
instance).

But I've also found that in the case of a
variable with multiple lines & several items
on each line, the following command :
    sort lines of myV ascending international by item 7 of each
seems to get lost (actually outputs random sort)
when item 7 of some lines is empty...

has anyone experienced this ?

Best,
JB


From scott at tactilemedia.com  Tue Dec 28 15:49:56 2004
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 12:49:56 -0800
Subject: Passing Click from Image to Field?
Message-ID: <BDF706F4.1D715%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Looking for some new thinking on a problem:

I have a translucent image which overlays a scrolling list field.  I need to
have the list field accept mouse clicks but because the overlaying image is
only semi-transparent (not 100%) it prevents mouse clicks from reaching the
list field.

The only way I've been able to get around this is a kludge of locking the
screen on mouseDown, hiding the image, using the click command to click at
the mouse location, and then showing the image and unlocking the screen.  It
works, but it's a little slow, and I'm wondering if there might be a more
efficient/programmatic solution.

BTW, the image needs to appear above the list field because it semi-obscures
the text at the edges of the field.  Placing the image behind the field and
making the field transparent isn't going to work in this case.

Any other ideas?...

Thanks & Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Development & Design
-----
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W: http://www.tactilemedia.com


From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Tue Dec 28 15:59:24 2004
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 12:59:24 -0800
Subject: Passing Click from Image to Field?
In-Reply-To: <BDF706F4.1D715%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <BDF706F4.1D715%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <5AD332B2-5913-11D9-A219-000A956C462A@mangomultimedia.com>

On Dec 28, 2004, at 12:49 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:

> Looking for some new thinking on a problem:
>
> I have a translucent image which overlays a scrolling list field.  I 
> need to
> have the list field accept mouse clicks but because the overlaying 
> image is
> only semi-transparent (not 100%) it prevents mouse clicks from 
> reaching the
> list field.
>
> The only way I've been able to get around this is a kludge of locking 
> the
> screen on mouseDown, hiding the image, using the click command to 
> click at
> the mouse location, and then showing the image and unlocking the 
> screen.  It
> works, but it's a little slow, and I'm wondering if there might be a 
> more
> efficient/programmatic solution.
>
> BTW, the image needs to appear above the list field because it 
> semi-obscures
> the text at the edges of the field.  Placing the image behind the 
> field and
> making the field transparent isn't going to work in this case.
>
> Any other ideas?...

So does the image only cover text on the edges and appear completely 
transparent in the center of the field?  If so could you cut the image 
into four parts (left, right, top, bottom) so that the image only 
overlays the field on the very edges?  Then you would only have to use 
your kludge if the user clicked on the very edge of the field and you 
would get normal performance otherwise.


-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Multimedia
trevor at mangomultimedia.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Dec 28 16:01:53 2004
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 15:01:53 -0600
Subject: Keeping relationships during a drag event.
In-Reply-To: <3d8af415041228100876f94b55@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3d8af415041228100876f94b55@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <41D1C9C1.4090001@hyperactivesw.com>

On 12/28/04 12:08 PM, Glen Bojsza wrote:

> The basic description of what I am working to achieve is the following.
> 
> I have 2 images (car1 and car2) that are connected by a line.
> 
> When the user drags car1 to a different position on the card the
> line's points are updated and to the user it appears that the images
> are still connected (the idea is a "sticky" line.
> 
> What I am trying to figure out is that  I want a field  to be placed
> at the center on the line and it needs to maintain that relationship
> with the line whenever  the image locations are changed.
> 
> The problem is that as the user drags an image around the line and
> it's associated field need to move / update smoothly.
> 
> I am looking at grouping the line and field verses taking the points
> of the line and recalculating the new location of the field.
> 
> I was hoping someone would have some experience in this area.

One of the examples in the old MetaCard "Examples" stack did almost 
exactly what you describe. It was so similar, you may be able to simply 
grab the script and re-use it.

You can still download the old MetaCard files at 
<ftp://ftp.metacard.com>. It probably doesn't matter which version you 
grab, as the engine there is very old and restricted. However, once you 
decompress the files, open the mchelp stack and look for the Examples 
stack. You'll find the script and a working mockup in there on card 9.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com

From chipp at chipp.com  Tue Dec 28 16:07:47 2004
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 15:07:47 -0600
Subject: Passing Click from Image to Field?
In-Reply-To: <BDF706F4.1D715%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <BDF706F4.1D715%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <41D1CB23.1060702@chipp.com>

Interesting,

I was thinking just today about doing the same thing as a sort of 
'workaround' for adding "..." at the end of each line larger than the 
width of the field. IOW, have each line 'disolve' to white at the right 
border.

Scott, I can't think of another way to do what you're doing other than 
the way you're doing it. Passing events hasn't worked for me before on 
this kind of problem.

best,

Chipp

Scott Rossi wrote:

> Looking for some new thinking on a problem:
> 
> I have a translucent image which overlays a scrolling list field.  I need to
> have the list field accept mouse clicks but because the overlaying image is
> only semi-transparent (not 100%) it prevents mouse clicks from reaching the
> list field.
> 
> The only way I've been able to get around this is a kludge of locking the
> screen on mouseDown, hiding the image, using the click command to click at
> the mouse location, and then showing the image and unlocking the screen.  It
> works, but it's a little slow, and I'm wondering if there might be a more
> efficient/programmatic solution.


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From BNZ2 at CDC.GOV  Tue Dec 28 16:13:43 2004
From: BNZ2 at CDC.GOV (Lynch, Jonathan)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 16:13:43 -0500
Subject: Passing Click from Image to Field?
Message-ID: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A9469E74@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>

If the list field has a set textheight, then you could calculate the
distance from the top of the listfield to item 2 of the mouseloc, then
divide that distance by the list fields textheight, and round it. That
will give you the line number above which you clicked. Then, you can
select that line number in the list field.

-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Chipp
Walters
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 4:08 PM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: Passing Click from Image to Field?

Interesting,

I was thinking just today about doing the same thing as a sort of 
'workaround' for adding "..." at the end of each line larger than the 
width of the field. IOW, have each line 'disolve' to white at the right 
border.

Scott, I can't think of another way to do what you're doing other than 
the way you're doing it. Passing events hasn't worked for me before on 
this kind of problem.

best,

Chipp

Scott Rossi wrote:

> Looking for some new thinking on a problem:
> 
> I have a translucent image which overlays a scrolling list field.  I
need to
> have the list field accept mouse clicks but because the overlaying
image is
> only semi-transparent (not 100%) it prevents mouse clicks from
reaching the
> list field.
> 
> The only way I've been able to get around this is a kludge of locking
the
> screen on mouseDown, hiding the image, using the click command to
click at
> the mouse location, and then showing the image and unlocking the
screen.  It
> works, but it's a little slow, and I'm wondering if there might be a
more
> efficient/programmatic solution.


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From gbojsza at gmail.com  Tue Dec 28 16:22:09 2004
From: gbojsza at gmail.com (Glen Bojsza)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 16:22:09 -0500
Subject: Keeping relationships during a drag event.
In-Reply-To: <41D1C9C1.4090001@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <3d8af415041228100876f94b55@mail.gmail.com>
	 <41D1C9C1.4090001@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <3d8af41504122813225df5ebaa@mail.gmail.com>

Jacqueline / Chipp

Thanks for the feedback.

Chipp, your solution is perfect for me to work from.

Jaqueline, I looked at the metacard example and the interesting point
about it is that  it uses a single polygon line...even though it
connects three separate graphics.

I am curious to see if Chipp's solution would extend to this (or even
if it can). When I start to have multiple images connected with
multiple lines which solution would be easier to maintain ie adding
and deleting connections?

What would you choose?

thanks,

Glen


On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 15:01:53 -0600, J. Landman Gay
<jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:
> On 12/28/04 12:08 PM, Glen Bojsza wrote:
> 
> > The basic description of what I am working to achieve is the following.
> >
> > I have 2 images (car1 and car2) that are connected by a line.
> >
> > When the user drags car1 to a different position on the card the
> > line's points are updated and to the user it appears that the images
> > are still connected (the idea is a "sticky" line.
> >
> > What I am trying to figure out is that  I want a field  to be placed
> > at the center on the line and it needs to maintain that relationship
> > with the line whenever  the image locations are changed.
> >
> > The problem is that as the user drags an image around the line and
> > it's associated field need to move / update smoothly.
> >
> > I am looking at grouping the line and field verses taking the points
> > of the line and recalculating the new location of the field.
> >
> > I was hoping someone would have some experience in this area.
> 
> One of the examples in the old MetaCard "Examples" stack did almost
> exactly what you describe. It was so similar, you may be able to simply
> grab the script and re-use it.
> 
> You can still download the old MetaCard files at
> <ftp://ftp.metacard.com>. It probably doesn't matter which version you
> grab, as the engine there is very old and restricted. However, once you
> decompress the files, open the mchelp stack and look for the Examples
> stack. You'll find the script and a working mockup in there on card 9.
> 
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> _______________________________________________
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>

From herz at ucsd.edu  Tue Dec 28 16:27:07 2004
From: herz at ucsd.edu (Richard K. Herz)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 13:27:07 -0800
Subject: how to download and install externals
References: <20041228170025.ECE55930112@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <005f01c4ed24$151a57b0$58bfef84@HerzLabS>

At http://reactorlab.net/intro/externals.html
are brief instructions for downloading externals from a server and using 
them on a client in a Rev application. The instructions are trivial for 
Windows but nontrivial for Mac OS X. In my application, I wanted a client 
Rev app without the revxml external to be able to download and use stacks 
which require the revxml external. The instructions should apply to other 
externals.

Rich Herz 



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Dec 28 16:35:07 2004
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 15:35:07 -0600
Subject: Passing Click from Image to Field?
In-Reply-To: <BDF706F4.1D715%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <BDF706F4.1D715%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <41D1D18B.6090609@hyperactivesw.com>

On 12/28/04 2:49 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:

> Looking for some new thinking on a problem:
> 
> I have a translucent image which overlays a scrolling list field.  I need to
> have the list field accept mouse clicks but because the overlaying image is
> only semi-transparent (not 100%) it prevents mouse clicks from reaching the
> list field.
> 
> The only way I've been able to get around this is a kludge of locking the
> screen on mouseDown, hiding the image, using the click command to click at
> the mouse location, and then showing the image and unlocking the screen.  It
> works, but it's a little slow, and I'm wondering if there might be a more
> efficient/programmatic solution.
> 
> BTW, the image needs to appear above the list field because it semi-obscures
> the text at the edges of the field.  Placing the image behind the field and
> making the field transparent isn't going to work in this case.
> 
> Any other ideas?...

It depends on what you need to do, but you might be able to calculate 
the line number from the clickV, then artificially set the hilitedlines 
of the field to that line number, then send either a "mouseup" or a 
"selectionChanged" message directly to the field (or some other custom 
handler.) The field would need a mouseUp or selectionChanged handler 
that examines its hilitedlines and takes action.

This will calculate a line number based on the click location:

function clickToLine tFldNum
   put item 2 of the rect of fld tFldNum into tTop
   put the effective textheight of fld tFldNum into tHt
   return (the clickV - tTop) div tHt + 1
end clickToLine

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com

From gwalias-rev at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 28 16:52:27 2004
From: gwalias-rev at yahoo.com (Gordon Webster)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 13:52:27 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Setting Pixels
In-Reply-To: <005f01c4ed24$151a57b0$58bfef84@HerzLabS>
Message-ID: <20041228215227.70852.qmail@web51108.mail.yahoo.com>

Dear Revolutionaries

I hope you are all having a happy holiday. Mine
started really well as the copy of Dan Shafer's book I
had ordered, arrived the day I was leaving for the
holidays :-) I have thoroughly enjoyed reading it
these last few days and recommend it whole-heartedly
to any fellow rev newbies (it's available on the
runrev website) - so when do the next two volumes come
out?

Here is my question - Dan's book describes the use of
the 'mouseColor' handler to get the color value of the
pixel that is below the mouse - is there any way in
rev, to set the value of an individual pixel?

Best

Gordon


=====
:::::::::: Gordon Webster ::::::::::

From scott at tactilemedia.com  Tue Dec 28 17:03:17 2004
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 14:03:17 -0800
Subject: Setting Pixels
In-Reply-To: <20041228215227.70852.qmail@web51108.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BDF71825.1D72E%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Gordon Webster wrote:

> Here is my question - Dan's book describes the use of
> the 'mouseColor' handler to get the color value of the
> pixel that is below the mouse - is there any way in
> rev, to set the value of an individual pixel?

See Ken Ray's useful explanation here:

  http://sonsothunder.com/devres/metacard/tips/imag003.htm

This explains how imageData, alphaData and maskData work.  It may be a bit
overwhelming at first, but there's some sample code included to get you
started.

(I just used this last night -- thank Ken!)

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Development & Design
-----
E: scott at tactilemedia.com
W: http://www.tactilemedia.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Dec 28 17:07:49 2004
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 16:07:49 -0600
Subject: Keeping relationships during a drag event.
In-Reply-To: <3d8af41504122813225df5ebaa@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3d8af415041228100876f94b55@mail.gmail.com>
	<41D1C9C1.4090001@hyperactivesw.com>
	<3d8af41504122813225df5ebaa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <41D1D935.4090603@hyperactivesw.com>

On 12/28/04 3:22 PM, Glen Bojsza wrote:

 > Jacqueline / Chipp
 >
 > Thanks for the feedback.
 >
 > Chipp, your solution is perfect for me to work from.
 >
 > Jaqueline, I looked at the metacard example and the interesting point
 > about it is that  it uses a single polygon line...even though it
 > connects three separate graphics.
 >
 > I am curious to see if Chipp's solution would extend to this (or even
 > if it can). When I start to have multiple images connected with
 > multiple lines which solution would be easier to maintain ie adding
 > and deleting connections?
 >
 > What would you choose?

I haven't looked at Chipp's, so I can't say for sure. But the MC way is 
pretty easy -- just add another 2-line set of coordinates to the 
"points" list for each new object. You can have an unlimited number of 
lines. If you use a script like the MC example to loop through all your 
images, the number of lines and their points will get calculated 
automatically each time the handler runs; you won't even have to do the 
math. Instead of "repeat with i = 1 to 3" you would use "repeat with i = 
1 to the number of images".

This technique is also very fast.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com

From scott at tactilemedia.com  Tue Dec 28 17:12:03 2004
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 14:12:03 -0800
Subject: Passing Click from Image to Field?
In-Reply-To: <41D1D18B.6090609@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <BDF71A33.1D731%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, J. Landman Gay wrote:

>> I have a translucent image which overlays a scrolling list field.  I need to
>> have the list field accept mouse clicks but because the overlaying image is
>> only semi-transparent (not 100%) it prevents mouse clicks from reaching the
>> list field.

> It depends on what you need to do, but you might be able to calculate
> the line number from the clickV, then artificially set the hilitedlines
> of the field to that line number, then send either a "mouseup" or a
> "selectionChanged" message directly to the field (or some other custom
> handler.) The field would need a mouseUp or selectionChanged handler
> that examines its hilitedlines and takes action.
> 
> This will calculate a line number based on the click location:
> 
> function clickToLine tFldNum
>  put item 2 of the rect of fld tFldNum into tTop
>  put the effective textheight of fld tFldNum into tHt
>  return (the clickV - tTop) div tHt + 1
> end clickToLine

Thanks to you and Jonathan Lynch for this idea.  I need to account for the
scroll of the field as well since it's a scrolling list.  I guess I have to
add the scroll of the field multiplied by the textHeight of the field to
figure out the equivalent clicked line.  Hmmm...

This is getting complicated but I guess it's my lot in life to develop
overly complex solutions. :-)

Thanks & Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Development & Design
-----
E: scott at tactilemedia.com
W: http://www.tactilemedia.com


From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Tue Dec 28 16:58:22 2004
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 13:58:22 -0800
Subject: Passing Click from Image to Field?
In-Reply-To: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A9469E74@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
References: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A9469E74@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
Message-ID: <97609F36-591B-11D9-A219-000A956C462A@mangomultimedia.com>

On Dec 28, 2004, at 1:13 PM, Lynch, Jonathan wrote:

> If the list field has a set textheight, then you could calculate the
> distance from the top of the listfield to item 2 of the mouseloc, then
> divide that distance by the list fields textheight, and round it. That
> will give you the line number above which you clicked. Then, you can
> select that line number in the list field.

Great idea.  It reminded me that I had some code sitting around that 
did this.  This takes into account the vertical scroll of the field and 
won't return a line number less than 1 or greater then the number of 
lines in the field.

on mouseMove pX, pY
	put number of lines of text of fld "MyField" into tLineCount
	subtract top of fld "MyField" + borderWidth of fld "MyField" from pY
	put max(0, \
			min(tLineCount, \
				(pY + vScroll of fld "MyField") / effective textHeight of fld 
"MyField") \
		) into tLine
	put trunc(tLine) into tLine
	if tLine <> tLineCount then add 1 to tLine
	put "Line:" && tLine
end mouseMove

This could probably be optimized a bit but it should do the trick.
		

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Multimedia
trevor at mangomultimedia.com


From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Tue Dec 28 17:13:42 2004
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 14:13:42 -0800
Subject: Passing Click from Image to Field?
In-Reply-To: <BDF71A33.1D731%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <BDF71A33.1D731%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <BBBCF04B-591D-11D9-A219-000A956C462A@mangomultimedia.com>

On Dec 28, 2004, at 2:12 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:
>
> Thanks to you and Jonathan Lynch for this idea.  I need to account for 
> the
> scroll of the field as well since it's a scrolling list.  I guess I 
> have to
> add the scroll of the field multiplied by the textHeight of the field 
> to
> figure out the equivalent clicked line.  Hmmm...
>
> This is getting complicated but I guess it's my lot in life to develop
> overly complex solutions. :-)

I sent an example that does this but it hasn't gone through yet 
apparently.  Anyhow, this one is a little prettier then the first one I 
sent:

on mouseMove pX, pY
	subtract top of fld "MyField" + borderWidth of fld "MyField" from pY
	put max(0, \
			min(number of lines of text of fld "MyField", \
				trunc((pY + vScroll of fld "MyField") / effective textHeight of fld 
"MyField") + 1) \
		) into tLine
	put "Line:" && tLine
end mouseMove


-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Multimedia
trevor at mangomultimedia.com


From scott at tactilemedia.com  Tue Dec 28 17:26:26 2004
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 14:26:26 -0800
Subject: Passing Click from Image to Field?
In-Reply-To: <41D1D18B.6090609@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <BDF71D92.1D737%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> This will calculate a line number based on the click location

Dude, you rule.  Your function with bit of modification works:

on mouseUp
  put clickToLine(tFldNum)
end mouseUp

function clickToLine tFldNum
  put item 2 of the rect of fld tFldNum into T
  put the effective textHeight of fld tFldNum into H
  put (the scroll of fld tFldNum) div \
      (the effective textHeight of fld tFldNum) into S
  return (the clickV - T) div H + 1 + S
end clickToLine

Now to see if this can work in the real stack.  :-)

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Development & Design
-----
E: scott at tactilemedia.com
W: http://www.tactilemedia.com


From scott at tactilemedia.com  Tue Dec 28 17:31:11 2004
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 14:31:11 -0800
Subject: Passing Click from Image to Field?
In-Reply-To: <BBBCF04B-591D-11D9-A219-000A956C462A@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <BDF71EAF.1D73F%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Trevor DeVore wrote:

> I sent an example that does this but it hasn't gone through yet
> apparently.  Anyhow, this one is a little prettier then the first one I
> sent:
> 
> on mouseMove pX, pY
> subtract top of fld "MyField" + borderWidth of fld "MyField" from pY
> put max(0, \
> min(number of lines of text of fld "MyField", \
> trunc((pY + vScroll of fld "MyField") / effective textHeight of fld
> "MyField") + 1) \
> ) into tLine
> put "Line:" && tLine
> end mouseMove

Thanks for this.  A little messing around with Jacque's function produced
similar results, although yours works on mouseMove.

Thanks for all the suggestions.  More may be needed soon... :-)

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Development & Design
-----
E: scott at tactilemedia.com
W: http://www.tactilemedia.com


From BNZ2 at CDC.GOV  Tue Dec 28 17:33:32 2004
From: BNZ2 at CDC.GOV (Lynch, Jonathan)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 17:33:32 -0500
Subject: resize in browse mode
Message-ID: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A90EC5C0@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>

The following script is a bit complex - but it does the following:

1) if you right-click on the main part of the field, it lets you drag
around the location of the field

2) if you right-click on one of the corners of the field, it lets you
resize the field from that corner

3) if the mouse is over one of the corners of the field, it changes to a
cross, to let you know you are over one of the corner handlers.

(apologies for the fact that I type lines out very far to the right,
making them look funny upon being word wrapped - if you paste it into a
script, it should look the way it is supposed to)

==============

local allowDrag
local allowResizeTL
local allowResizeTR
local allowResizeBL
local allowREsizeBR
local CHS

on mouseDown theButton
  if theButton = 3 then
    put 5 into CHS
    if ((mouseH()-(the left of me)) < CHS) and ((mouseV()-(the top of
me)) < CHS) then
      put (mouseH()-(the left of me)) & "," & (mouseV()-(the top of me))
& "," & (The right of me) & "," & (the bottom of me) into allowResizeTL
    else if ((the right of me)-(mouseH()) < CHS) and ((mouseV()-(the top
of me)) < CHS) then
      put ((the right of me)-(mouseH())) & "," & (mouseV()-(the top of
me)) & "," & (The left of me) & "," & (the bottom of me) into
allowResizeTR
    else if ((mouseH()-(the left of me)) < CHS) and (((the bottom of
me))-MouseV() < CHS) then
      put (mouseH()-(the left of me)) & "," & ((the bottom of
me)-mouseV()) & "," & (The right of me) & "," & (the top of me) into
allowResizeBL
    else if ((the right of me)-(mouseH()) < CHS) and (((the bottom of
me))-MouseV() < CHS) then
      put ((the right of me)-(mouseH())) & "," & ((the bottom of
me)-mouseV()) & "," & (The left of me) & "," & (the top of me) into
allowResizeBR
    else
      put (mouseH()-(the left of me)) & "," & (mouseV()-(the top of me))
into allowDrag
      set the cursor to cross
      lock cursor
    end if
  end if
end mouseDown

on mouseMove x,y
  put 5 into CHS
  if allowDrag <> empty then 
    set the top of me to Y-(item 2 of allowdrag)
    set the Left of me to X-(item 1 of allowDrag)
    
  else if allowResizeTL <> empty then
    if ((item 3 of allowResizeTL)-X) > CHS*2 then
      set the width of me to (item 3 of allowResizeTL)-(X-(item 1 of
allowResizeTL))
      set the Left of me to X-(item 1 of allowResizeTL)
    else
      set the width of me to CHS*2
      set the Left of me to ((item 3 of allowResizeTL)-CHS*2)
    end if
    if ((item 4 of allowResizeTL)-Y) > CHS*2 then
      set the height of me to (item 4 of allowResizeTL)-(Y-(item 2 of
allowResizeTL))
      set the top of me to Y-(item 2 of allowResizeTL)
    else
      set the height of me to CHS*2
      set the top of me to ((item 4 of allowResizeTL)-CHS*2)
    end if
    
  else if allowResizeTR <> empty then
    if (X-(item 3 of allowResizeTR)) > CHS*2 then
      set the width of me to (X+(item 1 of allowResizeTR))-(item 3 of
allowResizeTR)
      set the Right of me to (X+(item 1 of allowResizeTR))
    else
      set the width of me to CHS*2
      set the right of me to ((item 3 of allowResizeTR)+CHS*2)
    end if
    if ((item 4 of allowResizeTR)-Y) > CHS*2 then
      set the height of me to (item 4 of allowResizeTR)-(Y-(item 2 of
allowResizeTR))
      set the top of me to Y-(item 2 of allowResizeTR)
    else
      set the height of me to CHS*2
      set the top of me to ((item 4 of allowResizeTR)-CHS*2)
    end if
    
  else if allowResizeBL <> empty then
    if ((item 3 of allowResizeBL)-X) > CHS*2 then
      set the width of me to (item 3 of allowResizeBL)-(X-(item 1 of
allowResizeBL))
      set the Left of me to X-(item 1 of allowResizeBL)
    else
      set the width of me to CHS*2
      set the Left of me to ((item 3 of allowResizeBL)-CHS*2)
    end if
    if (Y-(item 4 of allowResizeBL)) > CHS*2 then
      set the height of me to (Y+(item 2 of allowResizeBL))-(item 4 of
allowResizeBL)
      set the bottom of me to (Y+(item 2 of allowResizeBL))
    else
      set the height of me to CHS*2
      set the bottom of me to ((item 4 of allowResizeBL)+CHS*2)
    end if

  else if allowResizeBR <> empty then
    if (X-(item 3 of allowResizeBR)) > CHS*2 then
      set the width of me to (X+(item 1 of allowResizeBR))-(item 3 of
allowResizeBR)
      set the Right of me to (X+(item 1 of allowResizeBR))
    else
      set the width of me to CHS*2
      set the right of me to ((item 3 of allowResizeBR)+CHS*2)
    end if
    if (Y-(item 4 of allowResizeBR)) > CHS*2 then
      set the height of me to (Y+(item 2 of allowResizeBR))-(item 4 of
allowResizeBR)
      set the bottom of me to (Y+(item 2 of allowResizeBR))
    else
      set the height of me to CHS*2
      set the bottom of me to ((item 4 of allowResizeBR)+CHS*2)
    end if
    
  else
    if (((mouseH()-(the left of me)) < CHS) and ((mouseV()-(the top of
me)) < CHS)) or (((the right of me)-(mouseH()) < CHS) and
((mouseV()-(the top of me)) < CHS)) or (((mouseH()-(the left of me)) <
CHS) and (((the bottom of me))-MouseV() < CHS)) or (((the right of
me)-(mouseH()) < CHS) and (((the bottom of me))-MouseV() < CHS)) then
     set the cursor to cross
     set the lockcursor to true
    else
    unlock cursor
      exit MouseMove
    end if
  end if
end mouseMove

on mouseLeave
  unlock cursor
end mouseLeave


on mouseUp
  put empty into allowDrag
  put empty into allowResizeTL
  put empty into allowResizeTR
  put empty into allowResizeBL
  put empty into allowResizeBR
  unlock cursor
end mouseUp

on mouseRelease
  mouseUp
end mouseRelease


From ps1 at softseven.org  Tue Dec 28 17:36:52 2004
From: ps1 at softseven.org (Paul Salyers)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 16:36:52 -0600
Subject: resize a card to full screen size
In-Reply-To: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A90EC5C0@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov
 >
References: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A90EC5C0@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
Message-ID: <6.1.1.1.2.20041228163217.027b4688@softseven.org>




How do you make a program open up in full screen size whether your using 
640X480, 800X600, 1600X1200, or what ever size your using.


Paul Salyers
PS1 - Senior Rep.
PS1 at softseven.org
http://ps1.softseven.org 


From scott at tactilemedia.com  Tue Dec 28 17:43:07 2004
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 14:43:07 -0800
Subject: resize a card to full screen size
In-Reply-To: <6.1.1.1.2.20041228163217.027b4688@softseven.org>
Message-ID: <BDF7217B.1D745%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Paul Salyers wrote:

> How do you make a program open up in full screen size whether your using
> 640X480, 800X600, 1600X1200, or what ever size your using.

If you're building a dynamic interface, see the screenRect property to
calculate the dimensions of the screen.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Development & Design
-----
E: scott at tactilemedia.com
W: http://www.tactilemedia.com


From gbojsza at gmail.com  Tue Dec 28 18:19:17 2004
From: gbojsza at gmail.com (Glen Bojsza)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 18:19:17 -0500
Subject: Keeping relationships during a drag event.
In-Reply-To: <41D1D935.4090603@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <3d8af415041228100876f94b55@mail.gmail.com>
	 <41D1C9C1.4090001@hyperactivesw.com>
	 <3d8af41504122813225df5ebaa@mail.gmail.com>
	 <41D1D935.4090603@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <3d8af41504122815196384d1f2@mail.gmail.com>

Well then I will travel down this path. 

thanks,

Glen


On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 16:07:49 -0600, J. Landman Gay
<jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:
> On 12/28/04 3:22 PM, Glen Bojsza wrote:
> 
>  > Jacqueline / Chipp
>  >
>  > Thanks for the feedback.
>  >
>  > Chipp, your solution is perfect for me to work from.
>  >
>  > Jaqueline, I looked at the metacard example and the interesting point
>  > about it is that  it uses a single polygon line...even though it
>  > connects three separate graphics.
>  >
>  > I am curious to see if Chipp's solution would extend to this (or even
>  > if it can). When I start to have multiple images connected with
>  > multiple lines which solution would be easier to maintain ie adding
>  > and deleting connections?
>  >
>  > What would you choose?
> 
> I haven't looked at Chipp's, so I can't say for sure. But the MC way is
> pretty easy -- just add another 2-line set of coordinates to the
> "points" list for each new object. You can have an unlimited number of
> lines. If you use a script like the MC example to loop through all your
> images, the number of lines and their points will get calculated
> automatically each time the handler runs; you won't even have to do the
> math. Instead of "repeat with i = 1 to 3" you would use "repeat with i =
> 1 to the number of images".
> 
> This technique is also very fast.
> 
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>

From listas at lektor.net  Tue Dec 28 18:33:51 2004
From: listas at lektor.net (Jose L. Rodriguez)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 00:33:51 +0100
Subject: Passing Click from Image to Field? 
In-Reply-To: <20041228210844.E9D83930121@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BDF7ABEF.B1DC%listas@lektor.net>

Hi Scott,

Try this on the image script:

on mousedown
  put item 2 of the clickloc+the scroll of fld 1 into theend
  put item 2 of the topleft of fld 1 into thestart
  put round (theend-thestart)/the textheight of fld 1 into theline
  select line theline of fld 1
end mousedown

Regards

Jose Luis

El  28/12/04 22:08, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com escribi?:

> 
> Message: 13
> Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 12:49:56 -0800
> From: Scott Rossi <scott at tactilemedia.com>
> Subject: Passing Click from Image to Field?
> To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Message-ID: <BDF706F4.1D715%scott at tactilemedia.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
> 
> Looking for some new thinking on a problem:
> 
> I have a translucent image which overlays a scrolling list field.  I need to
> have the list field accept mouse clicks but because the overlaying image is
> only semi-transparent (not 100%) it prevents mouse clicks from reaching the
> list field.
> 
> The only way I've been able to get around this is a kludge of locking the
> screen on mouseDown, hiding the image, using the click command to click at
> the mouse location, and then showing the image and unlocking the screen.  It
> works, but it's a little slow, and I'm wondering if there might be a more
> efficient/programmatic solution.
> 
> BTW, the image needs to appear above the list field because it semi-obscures
> the text at the edges of the field.  Placing the image behind the field and
> making the field transparent isn't going to work in this case.
> 
> Any other ideas?...
> 
> Thanks & Regards,
> 
> Scott Rossi



From chipp at chipp.com  Tue Dec 28 18:47:23 2004
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 15:47:23 -0800
Subject: menu woes...
Message-ID: <41D1F08B.5090606@chipp.com>

Hi,

I'm stuck on a project and I can't figure out what to do. It's a pretty 
simple problem.

I've designed and developed this fairly complete stack w/interface and 
scripted all the Geometry nicely on the PC. All the functionality is 
pretty much finished, but I just need to add a simple File Edit Help 
menu. So, I do this on the PC and everything works fine. I put the menu 
group in the top of the interface along some other buttons/features the 
users accesses.

Now, when I go to the Mac, it cuts off the top of the interface (which I 
NEED). If I set the height of the stack on a preOpenStack handler after 
the obnoxious resizing, it only adds space to the bottom...I still don't 
see the top. I know there must be a simple way to just add a menubar on 
a MacOSX application w/out having to butcher my stack? I just don't know 
what it is. I don't want to rewrite all the Geometry Mgmt and redesign 
this project...all I want to do is what I've always done in SuperCard 
and HyperCard--namely add a menu to a Mac application.

Any and all help is much appreciated.

Thanks in Advance,

Chipp

From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Dec 28 19:22:22 2004
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 16:22:22 -0800
Subject: menu woes...
In-Reply-To: <41D1F08B.5090606@chipp.com>
References: <41D1F08B.5090606@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <41D1F8BE.30605@fourthworld.com>

Chipp Walters wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I'm stuck on a project and I can't figure out what to do. It's a pretty 
> simple problem.
> 
> I've designed and developed this fairly complete stack w/interface and 
> scripted all the Geometry nicely on the PC. All the functionality is 
> pretty much finished, but I just need to add a simple File Edit Help 
> menu. So, I do this on the PC and everything works fine. I put the menu 
> group in the top of the interface along some other buttons/features the 
> users accesses.
> 
> Now, when I go to the Mac, it cuts off the top of the interface (which I 
> NEED). If I set the height of the stack on a preOpenStack handler after 
> the obnoxious resizing, it only adds space to the bottom...I still don't 
> see the top. I know there must be a simple way to just add a menubar on 
> a MacOSX application w/out having to butcher my stack? I just don't know 
> what it is. I don't want to rewrite all the Geometry Mgmt and redesign 
> this project...

I don't work much with the GM, so if you're using that there may be 
other considerations.  But in general whenever the menubar cropping is 
off the first thing I do is double-check that my menu group is the right 
size; that is, it's not any larger than the menus themselves, and its 
bottom is where you want the stack cropped when it opens on Mac.

If that's already the case, the next question is whether this is a 
substack whose mainstack has no menubar?  If so this may be a known 
sticky issue with the resizing behavior, and until that fix is released 
the workaround is to have a script set the size appropriately on Mac in 
a preOpenStack handler.

Those two tips have handled every case of odd resizing I've come across 
yet. If they don't do it I'm stumped. :)

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  __________________________________________________
  Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev

From revolution at jaedworks.com  Tue Dec 28 19:13:49 2004
From: revolution at jaedworks.com (Jeanne A. E. DeVoto)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 16:13:49 -0800
Subject: Dealing with empty groups...
In-Reply-To: <41D1A03C.7080007@fourthworld.com>
References: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A90EC5BE@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
 <41D1A03C.7080007@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <p062007c2bdf786db63df@[66.93.39.98]>

At 10:04 AM -0800 12/28/04, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>Groups are containers for controls, but are not controls themselves. 
>The messages you see passed to the group are generated by events on 
>the controls.

This is not quite correct - groups are controls. (Expressions like 
"the name of control 3" treat groups as controls, for example.) But 
they don't receive mouse messages directly.

I think this makes some conceptual sense - although it's confusing - 
because groups aren't user-interface objects in and of themselves. As 
containers for other objects, they're more abstract.
-- 
jeanne a. e. devoto ~ revolution at jaedworks.com
http://www.jaedworks.com

From mark at maseurope.net  Tue Dec 28 19:34:13 2004
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 00:34:13 +0000
Subject: Geometry
In-Reply-To: <20041228210844.E9D83930121@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20041228210844.E9D83930121@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <5D663C32-5931-11D9-B606-000D93C19756@maseurope.net>

Can some kind soul point out where I can get any information of any 
kind at all about using the geometry manager?
I've had a go... I set the relationships between controls on a card, 
saved, resized the window.....nothing happened.....

I have searched the online docs, and the printed docs, which hint at 
the existence of a tutorial....but I've drawn a complete blank.
The only info that seems to be available is the paid for video tutorial 
from revOnLine.


Thanks,

Mark Smith


From chipp at chipp.com  Tue Dec 28 19:35:34 2004
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 16:35:34 -0800
Subject: menu woes...
In-Reply-To: <41D1F8BE.30605@fourthworld.com>
References: <41D1F08B.5090606@chipp.com> <41D1F8BE.30605@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <41D1FBD6.2000506@chipp.com>

Thanks Richard,

Actually what I want is for there to be NO stack resizing on either 
platform. Seems like a pretty easy request, but I can't figure out how 
to make it happen. I can reset the stack to the correct height on the 
Mac, but doing so still doesn't move everthing down so that it is visible.

It's a Main stack. Do you know in MC if setting the menubar property 
automatically resizes the stack? I'm wondering if this is a Rev only 
problem?

Also, I'm not using GM, using my own layout manager, which I can turn 
off and on. It's not interferring.

-Chipp

Richard Gaskin wrote:

> I don't work much with the GM, so if you're using that there may be 
> other considerations.  But in general whenever the menubar cropping is 
> off the first thing I do is double-check that my menu group is the right 
> size; that is, it's not any larger than the menus themselves, and its 
> bottom is where you want the stack cropped when it opens on Mac.
> 
> If that's already the case, the next question is whether this is a 
> substack whose mainstack has no menubar?  If so this may be a known 
> sticky issue with the resizing behavior, and until that fix is released 
> the workaround is to have a script set the size appropriately on Mac in 
> a preOpenStack handler.

From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Tue Dec 28 19:44:53 2004
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 16:44:53 -0800
Subject: menu woes...
In-Reply-To: <41D1F08B.5090606@chipp.com>
References: <41D1F08B.5090606@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <4629261385.20041228164453@ahsoftware.net>

Chipp-

Tuesday, December 28, 2004, 3:47:23 PM, you wrote:

CW> Now, when I go to the Mac, it cuts off the top of the interface (which I
CW> NEED). If I set the height of the stack on a preOpenStack handler after
CW> the obnoxious resizing, it only adds space to the bottom...I still don't
CW> see the top. I know there must be a simple way to just add a menubar on
CW> a MacOSX application w/out having to butcher my stack? I just don't know
CW> what it is. I don't want to rewrite all the Geometry Mgmt and redesign
CW> this project...all I want to do is what I've always done in SuperCard
CW> and HyperCard--namely add a menu to a Mac application.

I have stopped using menus in my apps because of this wherever
possible. If you don't need to have the menu be the system menu in OSX
then uncheck that and your menus should work fine. But if you *do*
want to do the Mac Thing and have your menus replace the system menu
while your app is active, then you have to expect that the upper part
of your visible stack will be hidden behind the system menubar. Or you
can have a Windows version of your app and an OSX version.

As far as I know, there's no easy way out. Menuing is just broken. You
have a choice: have extra blank space at the top of your Windows app;
do without OSX system menus; or have two separate builds.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net


From mark at maseurope.net  Tue Dec 28 19:46:18 2004
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 00:46:18 +0000
Subject: Subject: menu woes...
In-Reply-To: <20041229002517.4D64F930144@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20041229002517.4D64F930144@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <0D2BF6BB-5933-11D9-B606-000D93C19756@maseurope.net>


Alternatively, you can have a separate sub-stack that contains the menu 
group, and then set the menubar of the stack you want it in, in an 
openStack handler.

ie.

stack "myAppsMenus" is a sub-stack of stack "myApp"

create the menu in stack "myAppsMenus", call the menu group "Menus1"

in stack "myApp"'s stack script:

on openStack
set the menuBar of me to "Menus1"
end openStack	

You get the idea...


Mark


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Dec 28 20:08:55 2004
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 17:08:55 -0800
Subject: menu woes...
In-Reply-To: <41D1FBD6.2000506@chipp.com>
References: <41D1F08B.5090606@chipp.com> <41D1F8BE.30605@fourthworld.com>
	<41D1FBD6.2000506@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <41D203A7.6020006@fourthworld.com>

Chipp Walters wrote:
> Actually what I want is for there to be NO stack resizing on either 
> platform. Seems like a pretty easy request, but I can't figure out how 
> to make it happen. I can reset the stack to the correct height on the 
> Mac, but doing so still doesn't move everthing down so that it is visible.

Technically, it sounds like what you want is _some_ resizing, but 
limited to cropping and scrolling to hide the menubar on Mac OS, is that 
correct?  Or do you want those menus showing in the window a la all 
non-Mac systems?

> It's a Main stack. Do you know in MC if setting the menubar property 
> automatically resizes the stack? I'm wondering if this is a Rev only 
> problem?
>
> Also, I'm not using GM, using my own layout manager, which I can turn 
> off and on. It's not interferring.

That narrows down possible causes.

The crop-and-scroll of a stack to accomodate the menubar is an automatic 
engine behavior when the stack's menuGroup property contains the name of 
a group that exists in the stack.  When it works well it's a joyful 
thing of beautiful simplicity:  set one property and the same stack 
design works automatically on both platforms, cropping the stack and 
scrolling the card contents up to match.

If you want the menus to appear in the stack set that property to empty 
and you should be fine.

If you want the traditional menus-in-the-menubar Mac thang double-check 
that the menuGroup property refers to the correct group object, and 
double-check that its bounds do not extend below where you want the 
cropping to happen.

Here's what should be happening:


Windows -- All objects shown, card height matches stack height:

  ------------------------------------
| Window Title                       |
--------------------------------------   ---
| File  Edit  Help                   |     |
--------------------------------------     |
|                                    |   card
| Content region                     |     |
|                                    |     |
--------------------------------------   ---



Mac - When the menugroup property is set the stack is cropped and the 
card scrolled up to hide menus, which are drawn in the system's menu bar:

  ------------------------------------    ---
| Window Title                       |     |
--------------------------------------     |
|                                    |   card
| Content region                     |     |
|                                    |     |
--------------------------------------   ---


It may be the case that there's something up with making a menuless 
stack and adding menus on Win first, but here's what I'd do to make sure 
it's as hunky dory as possible:

Take it over to Mac, turn on the editMenus property so everything is 
shown just as it is on Windows, adjust the layout if needed, and save.

The menuing mechanism has a couple of obscure bugs, but all of my apps 
have menus that work well on both platforms so I have high confidence in 
it.  If these things don't take care of the issue feel free to send it 
to me if it's small and I'll see what I can determine.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com

From alex at tweedly.net  Tue Dec 28 20:26:20 2004
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 01:26:20 +0000
Subject: Geometry
In-Reply-To: <5D663C32-5931-11D9-B606-000D93C19756@maseurope.net>
References: <20041228210844.E9D83930121@mail.runrev.com>
	<5D663C32-5931-11D9-B606-000D93C19756@maseurope.net>
Message-ID: <41D207BC.6020804@tweedly.net>

Mark Smith wrote:

> Can some kind soul point out where I can get any information of any 
> kind at all about using the geometry manager?
> I've had a go... I set the relationships between controls on a card, 
> saved, resized the window.....nothing happened.....

Did you set relationships only between controls ?
or did you make some of them relate to the right/bottom window edge(s) ?

> I have searched the online docs, and the printed docs, which hint at 
> the existence of a tutorial....but I've drawn a complete blank.
> The only info that seems to be available is the paid for video 
> tutorial from revOnLine.

Try this .....

1. Create a new mainstack
2. Put a single textArea into it
3. drag the bottom, right corner of the field to somewhere near the 
bottom, right of the stack window
4. inspect the field
5. choose "Geometry"
6. make sure "Scale" is selected in the top radio-button
7. click on the long cross-hatched bar connecting the "selected object" 
to the bottom of the small window within the geometry manager/inspector 
window  (it should turn red - if not, click again and it will cycle 
through   black x-hatch -> solid red -> wiggly red -> black x-hatched ...)
8 click on the similar long bar attaching it to the right - until it is 
solid red also.
9. close the inspector window
10. resize the stack window .... and the field should resize along with it

if that works - carry on from there
if not - then I probably missed out something that just happened to be 
ok on my system ....

-- Alex.


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From chipp at chipp.com  Tue Dec 28 20:40:02 2004
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 17:40:02 -0800
Subject: Geometry
In-Reply-To: <5D663C32-5931-11D9-B606-000D93C19756@maseurope.net>
References: <20041228210844.E9D83930121@mail.runrev.com>
	<5D663C32-5931-11D9-B606-000D93C19756@maseurope.net>
Message-ID: <41D20AF2.4040704@chipp.com>

http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/RunRev/VideoTutorials.htm

Mark Smith wrote:
> Can some kind soul point out where I can get any information of any kind 
> at all about using the geometry manager?
> I've had a go... I set the relationships between controls on a card, 
> saved, resized the window.....nothing happened.....


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From chipp at chipp.com  Tue Dec 28 22:39:24 2004
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 19:39:24 -0800
Subject: menu woes...!SOLVED!
In-Reply-To: <41D203A7.6020006@fourthworld.com>
References: <41D1F08B.5090606@chipp.com> <41D1F8BE.30605@fourthworld.com>
	<41D1FBD6.2000506@chipp.com> <41D203A7.6020006@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <41D226EC.70907@chipp.com>

Muchos Gracias to Senor Gaskin!!!

For those of you who've come lately to this, the problem was simple. How 
to add menus for both Mac and PC to an existing stack *without* ever 
resizing the existing stack.

As you all probably know, the minute you add a menu to a stack, it's 
height is recalculated whenever it opens on a different platform. The 
reason is that the menubar is 'on the card' for the PC, but at the top 
of the screen for the Mac. So, when viewing the stack on the Mac, the 
stack is automatically reduced in height by the amount of the menubar 
(thus screwing up my carefully rendered screen layout;-).

bummer, especially if you don't want this behavior.

So, Richard's idea was pretty straightforward:

set the editmenu property of the stack to true
hide the menu group

So, here's how it works: When the stack is opened up on the Mac, because 
the editmenu prop is true, the menus appear at the top of the card and 
not in the menubar. But a little known fact (only Richard knows it 
apparently as it's not documented) is that the menus will appear in the 
menubar if the menuGrp is hidden! So, just hide the group and then show 
it if the platform is Win32.

Works like a charm...and no resizing of the stack whatsoever.

Cool, and thanks Richard!

-Chipp

From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Dec 29 00:42:44 2004
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 23:42:44 -0600
Subject: menu woes...!SOLVED!
In-Reply-To: <41D226EC.70907@chipp.com>
References: <41D1F08B.5090606@chipp.com> <41D1F8BE.30605@fourthworld.com>
	<41D1FBD6.2000506@chipp.com> <41D203A7.6020006@fourthworld.com>
	<41D226EC.70907@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <41D243D4.2090405@hyperactivesw.com>

On 12/28/04 9:39 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:

> Muchos Gracias to Senor Gaskin!!!
> 
> For those of you who've come lately to this, the problem was simple. How 
> to add menus for both Mac and PC to an existing stack *without* ever 
> resizing the existing stack.
> 
> As you all probably know, the minute you add a menu to a stack, it's 
> height is recalculated whenever it opens on a different platform. The 
> reason is that the menubar is 'on the card' for the PC, but at the top 
> of the screen for the Mac. So, when viewing the stack on the Mac, the 
> stack is automatically reduced in height by the amount of the menubar 
> (thus screwing up my carefully rendered screen layout;-).
> 
> bummer, especially if you don't want this behavior.
> 
> So, Richard's idea was pretty straightforward:
> 
> set the editmenu property of the stack to true
> hide the menu group
> 
> So, here's how it works: When the stack is opened up on the Mac, because 
> the editmenu prop is true, the menus appear at the top of the card and 
> not in the menubar. But a little known fact (only Richard knows it 
> apparently as it's not documented) is that the menus will appear in the 
> menubar if the menuGrp is hidden! So, just hide the group and then show 
> it if the platform is Win32.
> 
> Works like a charm...and no resizing of the stack whatsoever.
> 
> Cool, and thanks Richard!

I've got a detailed explanation of this in my HyperCard-to-Rev tutorial 
too, in particular:

<http://www.hyperactivesw.com/mctutorial/rraboutMenus.html>

Scott Raney always stressed that if you plan to deliver on both Mac and 
Windows, you should always put your menu bar in very early in 
development. Plan for the scroll behavior on Macs. The tutorial suggests 
another (more standard) way to solve the problem, though it may have 
messed up your existing geometry:

<http://www.hyperactivesw.com/mctutorial/rrcreateMenus.html>

If your geometry measured the locations of all objects from the bottom 
up rather than the top down, then the above method would have worked too.

There's also a script in there that will move all the stack objects down 
and make room for a new menubar. Since I port over so many HyperCard 
stacks, I use this technique a lot.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com

From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Dec 29 00:46:44 2004
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 23:46:44 -0600
Subject: menu woes...
In-Reply-To: <4629261385.20041228164453@ahsoftware.net>
References: <41D1F08B.5090606@chipp.com>
	<4629261385.20041228164453@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <41D244C4.4010605@hyperactivesw.com>

On 12/28/04 6:44 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:

> As far as I know, there's no easy way out. Menuing is just broken. You
> have a choice: have extra blank space at the top of your Windows app;
> do without OSX system menus; or have two separate builds.

I don't think it is really broken as such. Once I understood how it 
works, menu behavior started to make sense. You just have to account for 
the scrolling behavior on Macs and plan for it. I haven't noticed any 
blank space on my Windows apps.

That said, there is a problem with a few stacks where the automatic 
scrolling doesn't work right. It's bugzilla-ed. But most of the time it 
seems to be okay.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com

From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Dec 29 01:03:12 2004
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 00:03:12 -0600
Subject: Passing Click from Image to Field?
In-Reply-To: <BDF71D92.1D737%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <BDF71D92.1D737%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <41D248A0.6050201@hyperactivesw.com>

On 12/28/04 4:26 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:

> Recently, J. Landman Gay wrote:
> 
> 
>>This will calculate a line number based on the click location
> 
> 
> Dude, you rule.  Your function with bit of modification works:
> 
> on mouseUp
>   put clickToLine(tFldNum)
> end mouseUp
> 
> function clickToLine tFldNum
>   put item 2 of the rect of fld tFldNum into T
>   put the effective textHeight of fld tFldNum into H
>   put (the scroll of fld tFldNum) div \
>       (the effective textHeight of fld tFldNum) into S
>   return (the clickV - T) div H + 1 + S
> end clickToLine

Sorry, I meant to account for the scroll but forgot to add it to my 
function. An even shorter way to do this is to just subtract the scroll 
from the top before figuring out the line number. And come to think of 
it, we don't need to use "item 2 of the rect" of the field, we can just 
use the "top":

function clickToLine tFldNum
    put the top of fld tFldNum - the scroll of fld tFldNum into T
    put the effective textHeight of fld tFldNum into H
    return (the clickV - T) div H + 1
  end clickToLine

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com

From Cubist at aol.com  Wed Dec 29 02:17:19 2004
From: Cubist at aol.com (Cubist at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 02:17:19 EST
Subject: programming
Message-ID: <1b9.9cbd2e7.2f03b3ff@aol.com>

>Anyone here interested din programming for me in Rev?
   Possibly. More details would be nice; what do you need done, is there any 
chance of money changing hands, and so on...

From scott at tactilemedia.com  Wed Dec 29 03:54:31 2004
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 00:54:31 -0800
Subject: Data-Only Bundle?
Message-ID: <BDF7B0C7.1D7A3%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Is there such a thing as a data-only bundle on OSX?

I'm asking because I want to deliver "single file" modules (text and image
files) for my app that can be selected from the answer file dialog.
Currently I've taken a folder of files, added a ".bundle" suffix to it, and
can load it as expected from the answer file dialog, apparently without
trouble.  Is there any drawback to doing this?

The one issue I've noticed is that when double clicking on the bundle, a
dialog is displayed stating there is no specified application to open the
document.  This is not a big deal but it leads me to believe that by
creating some kind of artificial plist within the bundle, I might be able to
get it to launch my app?

Thanks for any clarification here.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Development & Design
-----
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W: http://www.tactilemedia.com


From dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Wed Dec 29 05:12:01 2004
From: dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 10:12:01 +0000
Subject: Dealing with empty groups...
In-Reply-To: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A90EC5BD@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
References: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A90EC5BD@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
Message-ID: <14F3A294-5982-11D9-9E98-000A9569F8B0@lacscentre.co.uk>


On 28 Dec 2004, at 16:57, Lynch, Jonathan wrote:
>
> If I have to use a transparent object - then I can just put any object
> that does not interfere with the layering of other objects into the
> group, and that will allow the group to pass the mouseup message.
>
It doesn't have to be a transparent object. An invisible oblect of any 
size in the group seems to cause a mouseUp in the group to pass to the 
card. As invisible objects don't trap mouse events themselves, it won't 
interfere with other objects you place in the group at a lower layer.

I agree that it's odd. On the other hand, an empty group might be 
considered odd too, so perhaps we shouldn't have expectations of 
"normal" behavior in this case.

Cheers
Dave


From johnmiller1950 at sbcglobal.net  Wed Dec 29 06:20:28 2004
From: johnmiller1950 at sbcglobal.net (John Miller)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 06:20:28 -0500
Subject: Database Doldrums
Message-ID: <A4B27F0A-598B-11D9-B003-000A95880812@sbcglobal.net>

Greeetings All,

I have been working with our company's databases using ODBC and have 
been amazed at how powerful and FAST Revolution is.

Yesterday, I started a new project where I need to JOIN information 
from 2 different tables, and I am stymied.

I understand how to write the SQL command line, but I can't figure out 
which rev command I need to use. All of them seem to accept only one 
database ID.

Can someone point me in the right direction.

Thanks for all your help.

John Miller


From fde101 at fjrhome.net  Wed Dec 29 08:59:29 2004
From: fde101 at fjrhome.net (Frank D. Engel, Jr.)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 08:59:29 -0500
Subject: resize a card to full screen size
In-Reply-To: <BDF7217B.1D745%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <BDF7217B.1D745%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <DBFC0940-59A1-11D9-B682-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>

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Also make sure you look at the 'hide menubar' and 'show menubar' 
commands.

On Dec 28, 2004, at 5:43 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:

> Recently, Paul Salyers wrote:
>
>> How do you make a program open up in full screen size whether your 
>> using
>> 640X480, 800X600, 1600X1200, or what ever size your using.
>
> If you're building a dynamic interface, see the screenRect property to
> calculate the dimensions of the screen.
>
> Regards,
>
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, Development & Design
> -----
> E: scott at tactilemedia.com
> W: http://www.tactilemedia.com
>
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>
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$ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
$ true | cat /usr/manual | grep "John 3:16"
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Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have 
everlasting life.
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From fde101 at fjrhome.net  Wed Dec 29 09:19:17 2004
From: fde101 at fjrhome.net (Frank D. Engel, Jr.)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 09:19:17 -0500
Subject: Database Doldrums
In-Reply-To: <A4B27F0A-598B-11D9-B003-000A95880812@sbcglobal.net>
References: <A4B27F0A-598B-11D9-B003-000A95880812@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <9FB71FE0-59A4-11D9-B682-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>

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There is no specific Rev command to do a Join, that is a function of 
your database server, and you only use a single database ID.

Are you using the database library calls directly, rather than the 
"Database" properties things (which I could never get working correctly 
as I'd at one time hoped to)?

If so, you need to put the JOIN SQL command line into the 
revQueryDatabase function call...


For example, let's say you have three tables as follows (PostgreSQL 
example):

CREATE TABLE students
(
     studentID   serial primary key,
     name          text,
     address      text, ...
);

CREATE TABLE classes
(
     classID       serial primary key,
     name          text,
     credits         integer
);

CREATE TABLE registration
(
     studentID    integer references students,
     classID        integer references classes
);

Now maybe you want a list of all students currently enrolled in 
1-credit classes.  You could do this with an SQL statement like this:

SELECT DISTINCT students.name
FROM students, classes, registration
WHERE (students.studentID = registration.studentID) AND 
(classes.classID = registration.classID) AND (classes.credits = 1)

Note: this is only one of many ways to write an SQL statement to do 
this, and this is just a quick example off the top of my head so there 
may be mistakes in the above, but it should give you the basic idea.

Now in Rev, you'd execute that query with:

put revQueryDatabase(databaseID, "SELECT DISTINCT students.name FROM 
students.......credits = 1)") into queryID

Then use revMoveToNextRecord, revCloseCursor, 
revDatabaseColumnNumbered, etc. to get the info you want and then clean 
up.


On Dec 29, 2004, at 6:20 AM, John Miller wrote:

> Greeetings All,
>
> I have been working with our company's databases using ODBC and have 
> been amazed at how powerful and FAST Revolution is.
>
> Yesterday, I started a new project where I need to JOIN information 
> from 2 different tables, and I am stymied.
>
> I understand how to write the SQL command line, but I can't figure out 
> which rev command I need to use. All of them seem to accept only one 
> database ID.
>
> Can someone point me in the right direction.
>
> Thanks for all your help.
>
> John Miller
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
>
- -----------------------------------------------------------
Frank D. Engel, Jr.  <fde101 at fjrhome.net>

$ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
$ true | cat /usr/manual | grep "John 3:16"
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten 
Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have 
everlasting life.
$
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From BNZ2 at CDC.GOV  Wed Dec 29 09:24:35 2004
From: BNZ2 at CDC.GOV (Lynch, Jonathan)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 09:24:35 -0500
Subject: Dealing with empty groups...
Message-ID: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A9469E76@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>

But, using a group as a building block for a more complex object, it
would be useful if there was a setting that allowed them to be accessed
like other objects. Also, empty groups shouldn't trap mouseclicks. The
suggested workarounds will work fine, of course - it is more just a
matter of convenience.

-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Jeanne A.
E. DeVoto
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 7:14 PM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: Dealing with empty groups...

At 10:04 AM -0800 12/28/04, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>Groups are containers for controls, but are not controls themselves. 
>The messages you see passed to the group are generated by events on 
>the controls.

This is not quite correct - groups are controls. (Expressions like 
"the name of control 3" treat groups as controls, for example.) But 
they don't receive mouse messages directly.

I think this makes some conceptual sense - although it's confusing - 
because groups aren't user-interface objects in and of themselves. As 
containers for other objects, they're more abstract.
-- 
jeanne a. e. devoto ~ revolution at jaedworks.com
http://www.jaedworks.com
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From viper4559 at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 25 14:07:20 2004
From: viper4559 at yahoo.com (Robert Sabo)
Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 11:07:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Random Code
Message-ID: <20041225190720.65345.qmail@web50804.mail.yahoo.com>


Hello Everyone
 
I was just wondering if anyone could help me with this. I am working on creating a program that randomly ouputs a number from 1-55. I have everything done except I cannot get it to print how I want it to.
 
I made a scrolling field and a button. here is the button code
 
<--------------------------------------------------------------------------------->

global RandNum

on mouseUp

put random(55) into RandNum

reply field"Output" with RandNum

end mouseUp

<--------------------------------------------------------------------------------->

The only thing I have in the scrolling field code is

global RandNum

What I am trying to do is once the button is pressed down it will pick a random number from 1-55 then assign RandNum the value of the number picked. From there I wanted the RandNum value to be placed in some type of display field above the button. I picked the scrolling field(not sure if I should use this one or not). However I cannot get the text to display in this field. I messed with the answer command however I do not want the pop up to come up. I want it to just print in the scrolling field.

 

Anyone help me out here I would appreciate it.

 

Thanks,

 

Viper

 

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From kresten.bjerg at psy.ku.dk  Wed Dec 29 08:22:49 2004
From: kresten.bjerg at psy.ku.dk (Kresten Bjerg)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 14:22:49 +0100
Subject: Oversize cards and jumping between 9 not-overlapping card-windows
Message-ID: <41D2AFA9.5010508@psy.ku.dk>

As non-commercial developer of a freeware diary program I want to test 
the logical possibility of having cards the size of 9 screen-windows, 
and buttons for jumping to any of the 8 windows surrounding the central 
window - and of course buttons to return to center window.  Is there a 
simple solution to doing this ?
-- 

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From ps1 at softseven.org  Wed Dec 29 10:18:24 2004
From: ps1 at softseven.org (Paul Salyers)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 09:18:24 -0600
Subject: programming
In-Reply-To: <1b9.9cbd2e7.2f03b3ff@aol.com>
References: <1b9.9cbd2e7.2f03b3ff@aol.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.1.1.2.20041229091742.027ad610@softseven.org>

At 01:17 AM 12/29/2004, you wrote:
> >Anyone here interested din programming for me in Rev?
>    Possibly. More details would be nice; what do you need done, is there any
>chance of money changing hands, and so on...
>_______________________________________________


Email me personally to find out the details as others have done.


Paul Salyers
PS1 - Senior Rep.
PS1 at softseven.org


From mark at maseurope.net  Wed Dec 29 10:33:41 2004
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 15:33:41 +0000
Subject: Random Code
In-Reply-To: <20041229151038.8ED7F9300E5@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20041229151038.8ED7F9300E5@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <04D2DAEB-59AF-11D9-84DC-000D93C19756@maseurope.net>

try :

put RandNum into fld "Output"


Cheers,

Mark

On 29 Dec 2004, at 15:10, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com wrote:

> reply field"Output" with RandNum


From mark at maseurope.net  Wed Dec 29 10:35:17 2004
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 15:35:17 +0000
Subject: Geometry
In-Reply-To: <20041229151038.8ED7F9300E5@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20041229151038.8ED7F9300E5@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <3DF44318-59AF-11D9-84DC-000D93C19756@maseurope.net>


Thankyou, Alex and Chipp, that's got me started.


Mark Smith


From fde101 at fjrhome.net  Wed Dec 29 10:39:55 2004
From: fde101 at fjrhome.net (Frank D. Engel, Jr.)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 10:39:55 -0500
Subject: Oversize cards and jumping between 9 not-overlapping
	card-windows
In-Reply-To: <41D2AFA9.5010508@psy.ku.dk>
References: <41D2AFA9.5010508@psy.ku.dk>
Message-ID: <E3C67064-59AF-11D9-B682-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>

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Create a stack with the nine cards in it.  Place the buttons where you 
want them on each card, then as the script for each of the buttons use 
something like this:

on mouseUp
   go to card "Card Name"
end mouseUp


For a fancy transition, use the "visual effect" command:

on mouseUp
   visual effect push up
   go to card "Card Below Me"
end mouseUp


On Dec 29, 2004, at 8:22 AM, Kresten Bjerg wrote:

> As non-commercial developer of a freeware diary program I want to test 
> the logical possibility of having cards the size of 9 screen-windows, 
> and buttons for jumping to any of the 8 windows surrounding the 
> central window - and of course buttons to return to center window.  Is 
> there a simple solution to doing this ?
> -- 
>
> ________________________________________________________
>
> Refer please to Oikos Homestation <http://www.psy.ku.dk/bjerg>, for 
> further information
>
> Kresten Bjerg
> Mag.art. forhenv?rende lektor i psykologi,
>
> Mailto:Kresten at psy.ku.dk
>
> Adress 1: Ollekolle, Institut for psykologi, K?benhavns Universitet 
> Amager,
> Njalsgade 88, 2300.Copenhagen, DK - (+45) 35 32 87 99
>
> Adress 2: Sortedam Dossering 95 B, 2100 Copenhagen, DK - (45) 35 38 99 
> 39
>
> Adress 3: Skrivergaarden, H?gsma pr Glim?kra, SE - (+46) 708 915 386
>
> ______________________________________________________________
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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>
- -----------------------------------------------------------
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$ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
$ true | cat /usr/manual | grep "John 3:16"
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten 
Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have 
everlasting life.
$
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From FlexibleLearning at aol.com  Wed Dec 29 10:40:18 2004
From: FlexibleLearning at aol.com (FlexibleLearning at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 10:40:18 EST
Subject: menu woes...
Message-ID: <1ea.32f1b5c6.2f0429e2@aol.com>

All excellent advice. One more for the pot...
 
Keep menubars in a substack. That way they are taken out of any geometry  
problems, are easily applied as a shared resource for multiple substacks, and  
editing is all in one place.
 
2c.
 
/H

From docmann at gmail.com  Wed Dec 29 11:09:01 2004
From: docmann at gmail.com (docmann)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 10:09:01 -0600
Subject: more SQL problems
Message-ID: <9d58de7d04122908095d28ae8a@mail.gmail.com>

Hello folks,
I've been trying to resolve a problem on my own off and on for several
days and just can't seem to get my head wrapped around it all. Even
worse, now with so many attempts and errors under my belt, I have
finally reached the point of almost total confusion. :(

Let's say that I have a MySQL database named "quickref"
The 3 records in my table look something like this:
--------------------------
|  City  |  State | Zip  | --*City is the primary key

  Houston   Texas   74239

  Portland  Oregon  32791

  Dallas    Texas   75217
--------------------------

dbID is the ID returned when the connection is established

revField1 is named "myCity" --used to display record content
revField2 is named "myState" --used to display record content
revField3 is named "myZip" --used to display record content

revField4 is named "CurrSQL" and contains "SELECT * FROM quickref WHERE City ="
revField5 is named "mySearch" and contains "Portland"

I have no problems connecting to the database and returning the dbID
and all I want to do is display the contents of a record in each of
three fields based on the name of the city entered into the "mySearch"
field.

RevButton Named "Search"
on mouseUp
  put field "CurrSQL" into tSQLStringPartOne
  put field "mySearch" into tSQLStringPartTwo
  put tSQLStringPartOne & " " & tSQLStringPartTwo into tSQLQuery

  get revDataFromQuery(,,dbID,tSQLQuery,"tMyResults")

end mouseUp


I've tried using an almost endless number of
"revDatabaseColumnNamed()" combinations trying to extract the data,
without luck.  Although there may still be more than one problem in my
scripting, I *think* that the issue is in the way I'm trying to use
the revDatabaseColumnNamed() function which I don't fully understand.

Based on the info shown, can someone please show me how to properly
get the record set into variables so I can display them in the
appropriate fields on my stack?

I'd really appreciate any help or advise.

-Doc-

From BNZ2 at CDC.GOV  Wed Dec 29 11:12:56 2004
From: BNZ2 at CDC.GOV (Lynch, Jonathan)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 11:12:56 -0500
Subject: resize in browse mode
Message-ID: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A90EC5C1@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>

I reworked the earlier script I posted to include Ken Ray's approach to
adjusting the rect of the field, rather than adjusting the size and then
the position. His approach is smoother and more efficient. (Thanks Ken)

So... the following script still does these things...


1) if you right-click on the main part of the field, it lets you drag
around the location of the field

2) if you right-click on one of the corners of the field, it lets you
resize the field from that corner

3) if the mouse is over one of the corners of the field, it changes to a
cross, to let you know you are over one of the corner handlers.


It just does them a bit smoother. It also works for an image, but moving
the image is still not as smooth as moving the image with the pointer
tool.


(apologies for the fact that I type lines out very far to the right,
making them look funny upon being word wrapped - if you paste it into a
script, it should look the way it is supposed to)
==============

local allowDrag
local allowResizeTL
local allowResizeTR
local allowResizeBL
local allowREsizeBR
local CHS

on mouseDown theButton
  if theButton = 3 then
    put 5 into CHS
    if ((mouseH()-(the left of me)) < CHS) and ((mouseV()-(the top of
me)) < CHS) then
      put (mouseH()-(the left of me)) & "," & (mouseV()-(the top of me))
& "," & (The right of me) & "," & (the bottom of me) into allowResizeTL
    else if ((the right of me)-(mouseH()) < CHS) and ((mouseV()-(the top
of me)) < CHS) then
      put ((the right of me)-(mouseH())) & "," & (mouseV()-(the top of
me)) & "," & (The left of me) & "," & (the bottom of me) into
allowResizeTR
    else if ((mouseH()-(the left of me)) < CHS) and (((the bottom of
me))-MouseV() < CHS) then
      put (mouseH()-(the left of me)) & "," & ((the bottom of
me)-mouseV()) & "," & (The right of me) & "," & (the top of me) into
allowResizeBL
    else if ((the right of me)-(mouseH()) < CHS) and (((the bottom of
me))-MouseV() < CHS) then
      put ((the right of me)-(mouseH())) & "," & ((the bottom of
me)-mouseV()) & "," & (The left of me) & "," & (the top of me) into
allowResizeBR
    else
      put (mouseH()-(the left of me)) & "," & (mouseV()-(the top of me))
into allowDrag
      set the cursor to cross
      lock cursor
    end if
  end if
end mouseDown

on mouseMove x,y
  put 5 into CHS
  put the rect of me into RCT
  if allowDrag <> empty then 
    set the topleft of me to (X-(item 1 of allowDrag) & "," & Y-(item 2
of allowdrag))
    
  else if allowResizeTL <> empty then
    if ((item 3 of allowResizeTL)-X) > CHS*2 then
      put X-(item 1 of allowResizeTL) into item 1 of RCT
      set the rect of me to RCT
    else
      put ((item 3 of allowResizeTL)-CHS*2) into item 1 of RCT
      set the rect of me to RCT
    end if
    if ((item 4 of allowResizeTL)-Y) > CHS*2 then
      put Y-(item 2 of allowResizeTL) into item 2 of RCT
      set the rect of me to RCT
    else
      put ((item 4 of allowResizeTL)-CHS*2) into item 2 of RCT
      set the rect of me to RCT
    end if
    
  else if allowResizeTR <> empty then
    if (X-(item 3 of allowResizeTR)) > CHS*2 then
      put (X+(item 1 of allowResizeTR)) into item 3 of RCT
      set the rect of me to RCT
    else
      put ((item 3 of allowResizeTR)+CHS*2) into item 3 of RCT
      set the rect of me to RCT
    end if
    if ((item 4 of allowResizeTR)-Y) > CHS*2 then
      put Y-(item 2 of allowResizeTR) into item 2 of RCT
      set the rect of me to RCT
    else
      put ((item 4 of allowResizeTR)-CHS*2) into item 2 of RCT
      set the rect of me to RCT
    end if
    
  else if allowResizeBL <> empty then
    if ((item 3 of allowResizeBL)-X) > CHS*2 then
      put X-(item 1 of allowResizeBL) into item 1 of RCT
      set the rect of me to RCT
    else
      put ((item 3 of allowResizeBL)-CHS*2) into item 1 of RCT
      set the rect of me to RCT
    end if
    if (Y-(item 4 of allowResizeBL)) > CHS*2 then
      put (Y+(item 2 of allowResizeBL)) into item 4 of RCT
      set the rect of me to RCT
    else
      put ((item 4 of allowResizeBL)+CHS*2) into item 4 of RCT
      set the rect of me to RCT
    end if

  else if allowResizeBR <> empty then
    if (X-(item 3 of allowResizeBR)) > CHS*2 then
      put (X+(item 1 of allowResizeTR)) into item 3 of RCT
      set the rect of me to RCT
    else
      put ((item 3 of allowResizeBR)+CHS*2) into item 3 of RCT
      set the rect of me to RCT
    end if
    if (Y-(item 4 of allowResizeBR)) > CHS*2 then
      put (Y+(item 2 of allowResizeBR)) into item 4 of RCT
      set the rect of me to RCT
    else
      put ((item 4 of allowResizeBR)+CHS*2) into item 4 of RCT
      set the rect of me to RCT
    end if
    
  else
    if (((mouseH()-(the left of me)) < CHS) and ((mouseV()-(the top of
me)) < CHS)) or (((the right of me)-(mouseH()) < CHS) and
((mouseV()-(the top of me)) < CHS)) or (((mouseH()-(the left of me)) <
CHS) and (((the bottom of me))-MouseV() < CHS)) or (((the right of
me)-(mouseH()) < CHS) and (((the bottom of me))-MouseV() < CHS)) then
     set the cursor to cross
     set the lockcursor to true
    else
    unlock cursor
      exit MouseMove
    end if
  end if
end mouseMove

on mouseLeave
  unlock cursor
end mouseLeave

on mouseUp
  put empty into allowDrag
  put empty into allowResizeTL
  put empty into allowResizeTR
  put empty into allowResizeBL
  put empty into allowResizeBR
  unlock cursor
end mouseUp

on mouseRelease
  mouseUp
end mouseRelease


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Dec 29 11:29:36 2004
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 08:29:36 -0800
Subject: menu woes...
In-Reply-To: <4629261385.20041228164453@ahsoftware.net>
References: <41D1F08B.5090606@chipp.com>
	<4629261385.20041228164453@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <41D2DB70.4010902@fourthworld.com>

Mark Wieder wrote:
> As far as I know, there's no easy way out. Menuing is just broken. You
> have a choice: have extra blank space at the top of your Windows app;
> do without OSX system menus; or have two separate builds.

There's another option:  identify the root cause of the issue and
correct it.

Menuing is not broken, at least not in any way that necessarily prevents
anyone from delivering an experience that substantially meets user 
expectations on all supported platforms.  Best of all, 99% of the time 
it's just a case of setting one property (the menugroup propery of the 
stack) and it's all automatic.

In Chipp's case he has a very effective but slightly "non-standard" 
interface, in which he has controls for his main window in the menubar 
region.  That works really well on Windows, Linux, BSD, and pretty much 
all operating systems except Mac. It's not a bad design (talking with 
him it sound pretty nifty), but it's not how most apps are built so the 
automatic behaviors the engine does for Mac should not apply.

But you have control over those behaviors, so even in that rare case the 
solution wasn't difficult to implement once the nature of the problem 
was understood:  the editMenus stack property governs the normal 
crop-and-scroll behavior on Mac and is off by default.  Setting that 
property to true prevents the behavior desired in most cases, allowing 
even nifty UIs like Chipp's to work as well as any other.  To prevent 
his menus from appearing in both the window and the Mac menu bar, he 
simply hides that group when the platform is "MacOS".  Total cost to his 
project for suppporting the exact menu design he wants:  two lines of 
script.

Aside from the relatively small subset of cases affected by Bug #744 
(thank you Jacque for taking the time to discern and document the root 
cause, and thanks in advance to RunRev for addressing it), I haven't 
seen a menu issue yet that couldn't be resolved once the nature of the 
issue is known.

So if you encounter any menuing issues that don't fit the recipe 
described in Bug #744, please do as Chipp did: post it here, folks will 
look it over and provide a recommendation for a solution.

I can't guarantee that there may not be other issues not yet known, and 
of course identifying them and providing a recipe in Bugzilla is the 
best way to see them resolved.  But I have high confidence that most 
issues with menus can be resolved in just a few posts to this list.

I didn't always feel this way, as some of my whingeing emails to Scott 
Raney could attest.  But his patience and that of Kevin Miller and 
others when I was cutting my teeth on the engine helped me understand 
Rev menuing better, and I've come to appreciate its simplicity and 
flexibility.

Carpe menus!

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  __________________________________________________
  Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev


From SimPLsol at aol.com  Wed Dec 29 11:59:38 2004
From: SimPLsol at aol.com (SimPLsol at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 11:59:38 EST
Subject: menu woes...
Message-ID: <d4.1e566ffa.2f043c7a@aol.com>

Richard,
     I suppose it is fine that Rev. Gurus, with years of experience, can 
wrestle the menus to submission - especially is they know undocumented features. 
But, admit it, they are a newbe nightmare. Better documentation would help 
(especially if it included a troubleshooting section addressing the many menu 
issues reported on this list). However, documentation is just a stopgap measure; 
what is really needed is an easier, more reliable way of handling menus in Rev.
Paul Looney

From fde101 at fjrhome.net  Wed Dec 29 12:01:11 2004
From: fde101 at fjrhome.net (Frank D. Engel, Jr.)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 12:01:11 -0500
Subject: more SQL problems
In-Reply-To: <9d58de7d04122908095d28ae8a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9d58de7d04122908095d28ae8a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3E18B111-59BB-11D9-B682-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>

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revDataFromQuery does not use the revDatabaseColumnNamed function -- 
that works quite differently.  You want the revQueryDatabase function 
instead.

Try this:


on mouseUp
   put revQueryDatabase(dbID, field "CurrSQL" & field "mySearch") into q

   if q is not a number then
     answer error "Database Error: " & q
     exit mouseUp
   end if

   revMoveToFirstRecord q
   put revDatabaseColumnNamed(q, "City") into field "myCity"
   put revDatabaseColumnNamed(q, "State") into field "myState"
   put revDatabaseColumnNamed(q, "Zip") into field "myZip"

   revCloseCursor q
end mouseUp



On Dec 29, 2004, at 11:09 AM, docmann wrote:

> Hello folks,
> I've been trying to resolve a problem on my own off and on for several
> days and just can't seem to get my head wrapped around it all. Even
> worse, now with so many attempts and errors under my belt, I have
> finally reached the point of almost total confusion. :(
>
> Let's say that I have a MySQL database named "quickref"
> The 3 records in my table look something like this:
> --------------------------
> |  City  |  State | Zip  | --*City is the primary key
>
>   Houston   Texas   74239
>
>   Portland  Oregon  32791
>
>   Dallas    Texas   75217
> --------------------------
>
> dbID is the ID returned when the connection is established
>
> revField1 is named "myCity" --used to display record content
> revField2 is named "myState" --used to display record content
> revField3 is named "myZip" --used to display record content
>
> revField4 is named "CurrSQL" and contains "SELECT * FROM quickref 
> WHERE City ="
> revField5 is named "mySearch" and contains "Portland"
>
> I have no problems connecting to the database and returning the dbID
> and all I want to do is display the contents of a record in each of
> three fields based on the name of the city entered into the "mySearch"
> field.
>
> RevButton Named "Search"
> on mouseUp
>   put field "CurrSQL" into tSQLStringPartOne
>   put field "mySearch" into tSQLStringPartTwo
>   put tSQLStringPartOne & " " & tSQLStringPartTwo into tSQLQuery
>
>   get revDataFromQuery(,,dbID,tSQLQuery,"tMyResults")
>
> end mouseUp
>
>
> I've tried using an almost endless number of
> "revDatabaseColumnNamed()" combinations trying to extract the data,
> without luck.  Although there may still be more than one problem in my
> scripting, I *think* that the issue is in the way I'm trying to use
> the revDatabaseColumnNamed() function which I don't fully understand.
>
> Based on the info shown, can someone please show me how to properly
> get the record set into variables so I can display them in the
> appropriate fields on my stack?
>
> I'd really appreciate any help or advise.
>
> -Doc-
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
>
- -----------------------------------------------------------
Frank D. Engel, Jr.  <fde101 at fjrhome.net>

$ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
$ true | cat /usr/manual | grep "John 3:16"
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten 
Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have 
everlasting life.
$
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From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Wed Dec 29 12:02:28 2004
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 09:02:28 -0800
Subject: more SQL problems
In-Reply-To: <9d58de7d04122908095d28ae8a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9d58de7d04122908095d28ae8a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6BC7BBA8-59BB-11D9-9286-000D9337CDC8@mangomultimedia.com>

On Dec 29, 2004, at 8:09 AM, docmann wrote:
> RevButton Named "Search"
> on mouseUp
>   put field "CurrSQL" into tSQLStringPartOne
>   put field "mySearch" into tSQLStringPartTwo
>   put tSQLStringPartOne & " " & tSQLStringPartTwo into tSQLQuery
>
>   get revDataFromQuery(,,dbID,tSQLQuery,"tMyResults")
>
> end mouseUp

Are you sure that your tSQLQuery is a valid sql query that is properly 
quoted?  From the code you posted it looks like you aren't quoting the 
city name.  The query should look something like this using MySQL:

SELECT * FROM quickref WHERE City = 'Portland'

Also, I don't know that you want to quote the "tMyResults".  It may not 
matter (I haven't used revDataFromQuery) but you should leave the 
quotes off.


-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Multimedia
trevor at mangomultimedia.com


From fde101 at fjrhome.net  Wed Dec 29 12:12:07 2004
From: fde101 at fjrhome.net (Frank D. Engel, Jr.)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 12:12:07 -0500
Subject: more SQL problems
In-Reply-To: <3E18B111-59BB-11D9-B682-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>
References: <9d58de7d04122908095d28ae8a@mail.gmail.com>
	<3E18B111-59BB-11D9-B682-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>
Message-ID: <C5146F06-59BC-11D9-B682-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>

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Oops, yeah, I missed the quotes thing in my example here, too:

on mouseUp
   put field "mySearch" into x
   replace "'" with "''" in x
   put revQueryDatabase(dbID, field "CurrSQL" & " '" & x & "'") into q

   if q is not a number then
     answer error "Database Error: " & q
     exit mouseUp
   end if

   revMoveToFirstRecord q
   put revDatabaseColumnNamed(q, "City") into field "myCity"
   put revDatabaseColumnNamed(q, "State") into field "myState"
   put revDatabaseColumnNamed(q, "Zip") into field "myZip"

   revCloseCursor q
end mouseUp


On Dec 29, 2004, at 12:01 PM, Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote:

> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
>
> revDataFromQuery does not use the revDatabaseColumnNamed function -- 
> that works quite differently.  You want the revQueryDatabase function 
> instead.
>
> Try this:
>
>
> on mouseUp
>   put revQueryDatabase(dbID, field "CurrSQL" & field "mySearch") into q
>
>   if q is not a number then
>     answer error "Database Error: " & q
>     exit mouseUp
>   end if
>
>   revMoveToFirstRecord q
>   put revDatabaseColumnNamed(q, "City") into field "myCity"
>   put revDatabaseColumnNamed(q, "State") into field "myState"
>   put revDatabaseColumnNamed(q, "Zip") into field "myZip"
>
>   revCloseCursor q
> end mouseUp
>
>
>
> On Dec 29, 2004, at 11:09 AM, docmann wrote:
>
>> Hello folks,
>> I've been trying to resolve a problem on my own off and on for several
>> days and just can't seem to get my head wrapped around it all. Even
>> worse, now with so many attempts and errors under my belt, I have
>> finally reached the point of almost total confusion. :(
>>
>> Let's say that I have a MySQL database named "quickref"
>> The 3 records in my table look something like this:
>> --------------------------
>> |  City  |  State | Zip  | --*City is the primary key
>>
>>   Houston   Texas   74239
>>
>>   Portland  Oregon  32791
>>
>>   Dallas    Texas   75217
>> --------------------------
>>
>> dbID is the ID returned when the connection is established
>>
>> revField1 is named "myCity" --used to display record content
>> revField2 is named "myState" --used to display record content
>> revField3 is named "myZip" --used to display record content
>>
>> revField4 is named "CurrSQL" and contains "SELECT * FROM quickref 
>> WHERE City ="
>> revField5 is named "mySearch" and contains "Portland"
>>
>> I have no problems connecting to the database and returning the dbID
>> and all I want to do is display the contents of a record in each of
>> three fields based on the name of the city entered into the "mySearch"
>> field.
>>
>> RevButton Named "Search"
>> on mouseUp
>>   put field "CurrSQL" into tSQLStringPartOne
>>   put field "mySearch" into tSQLStringPartTwo
>>   put tSQLStringPartOne & " " & tSQLStringPartTwo into tSQLQuery
>>
>>   get revDataFromQuery(,,dbID,tSQLQuery,"tMyResults")
>>
>> end mouseUp
>>
>>
>> I've tried using an almost endless number of
>> "revDatabaseColumnNamed()" combinations trying to extract the data,
>> without luck.  Although there may still be more than one problem in my
>> scripting, I *think* that the issue is in the way I'm trying to use
>> the revDatabaseColumnNamed() function which I don't fully understand.
>>
>> Based on the info shown, can someone please show me how to properly
>> get the record set into variables so I can display them in the
>> appropriate fields on my stack?
>>
>> I'd really appreciate any help or advise.
>>
>> -Doc-
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>>
>>
> - -----------------------------------------------------------
> Frank D. Engel, Jr.  <fde101 at fjrhome.net>
>
> $ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
> $ true | cat /usr/manual | grep "John 3:16"
> John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten 
> Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have 
> everlasting life.
> $
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>
>
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>
- -----------------------------------------------------------
Frank D. Engel, Jr.  <fde101 at fjrhome.net>

$ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
$ true | cat /usr/manual | grep "John 3:16"
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten 
Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have 
everlasting life.
$
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From SimPLsol at aol.com  Wed Dec 29 12:28:57 2004
From: SimPLsol at aol.com (SimPLsol at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 12:28:57 EST
Subject: Random Code
Message-ID: <60.4be40d99.2f044359@aol.com>

Viper,

on mouseUp
     global RandNum
     put RandNum into fld "Output"
end mouseUp

I'd recommend a standard rectangular field for Output. Use a scrolling field 
only if you need to keep a list of the numbers chosen.

Paul Looney

From docmann at gmail.com  Wed Dec 29 13:02:53 2004
From: docmann at gmail.com (docmann)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 12:02:53 -0600
Subject: more SQL problems
In-Reply-To: <C5146F06-59BC-11D9-B682-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>
References: <9d58de7d04122908095d28ae8a@mail.gmail.com>
	 <3E18B111-59BB-11D9-B682-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>
	 <C5146F06-59BC-11D9-B682-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>
Message-ID: <9d58de7d04122910025c0ce528@mail.gmail.com>

You folks are fantastic! It works exactly as intended now. :)

Geesh, I still don't know how I got so far off track in attempting
this <shaking  and pounding head on desk vigorously> and clearly need
to revisit the documentation. :(

On a side note, I intentionally entered data that I knew did not
exist, just to see what would happen and got a "revdberr,invalid
column number" message. Is there a proper way to test and/or trap
these types of errors when a record doesn't exist?

Again, thank you very VERY much!

-Doc-

On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 12:12:07 -0500, Frank D. Engel, Jr.
<fde101 at fjrhome.net> wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> Oops, yeah, I missed the quotes thing in my example here, too:
> 
> on mouseUp
>    put field "mySearch" into x
>    replace "'" with "''" in x
>    put revQueryDatabase(dbID, field "CurrSQL" & " '" & x & "'") into q
> 
>    if q is not a number then
>      answer error "Database Error: " & q
>      exit mouseUp
>    end if
> 
>    revMoveToFirstRecord q
>    put revDatabaseColumnNamed(q, "City") into field "myCity"
>    put revDatabaseColumnNamed(q, "State") into field "myState"
>    put revDatabaseColumnNamed(q, "Zip") into field "myZip"
> 
>    revCloseCursor q
> end mouseUp
> 
> On Dec 29, 2004, at 12:01 PM, Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote:
> 
> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> > Hash: SHA1
> >
> > revDataFromQuery does not use the revDatabaseColumnNamed function --
> > that works quite differently.  You want the revQueryDatabase function
> > instead.
> >
> > Try this:
> >
> >
> > on mouseUp
> >   put revQueryDatabase(dbID, field "CurrSQL" & field "mySearch") into q
> >
> >   if q is not a number then
> >     answer error "Database Error: " & q
> >     exit mouseUp
> >   end if
> >
> >   revMoveToFirstRecord q
> >   put revDatabaseColumnNamed(q, "City") into field "myCity"
> >   put revDatabaseColumnNamed(q, "State") into field "myState"
> >   put revDatabaseColumnNamed(q, "Zip") into field "myZip"
> >
> >   revCloseCursor q
> > end mouseUp
> >
> >
> >
> > On Dec 29, 2004, at 11:09 AM, docmann wrote:
> >
> >> Hello folks,
> >> I've been trying to resolve a problem on my own off and on for several
> >> days and just can't seem to get my head wrapped around it all. Even
> >> worse, now with so many attempts and errors under my belt, I have
> >> finally reached the point of almost total confusion. :(
> >>
> >> Let's say that I have a MySQL database named "quickref"
> >> The 3 records in my table look something like this:
> >> --------------------------
> >> |  City  |  State | Zip  | --*City is the primary key
> >>
> >>   Houston   Texas   74239
> >>
> >>   Portland  Oregon  32791
> >>
> >>   Dallas    Texas   75217
> >> --------------------------
> >>
> >> dbID is the ID returned when the connection is established
> >>
> >> revField1 is named "myCity" --used to display record content
> >> revField2 is named "myState" --used to display record content
> >> revField3 is named "myZip" --used to display record content
> >>
> >> revField4 is named "CurrSQL" and contains "SELECT * FROM quickref
> >> WHERE City ="
> >> revField5 is named "mySearch" and contains "Portland"
> >>
> >> I have no problems connecting to the database and returning the dbID
> >> and all I want to do is display the contents of a record in each of
> >> three fields based on the name of the city entered into the "mySearch"
> >> field.
> >>
> >> RevButton Named "Search"
> >> on mouseUp
> >>   put field "CurrSQL" into tSQLStringPartOne
> >>   put field "mySearch" into tSQLStringPartTwo
> >>   put tSQLStringPartOne & " " & tSQLStringPartTwo into tSQLQuery
> >>
> >>   get revDataFromQuery(,,dbID,tSQLQuery,"tMyResults")
> >>
> >> end mouseUp
> >>
> >>
> >> I've tried using an almost endless number of
> >> "revDatabaseColumnNamed()" combinations trying to extract the data,
> >> without luck.  Although there may still be more than one problem in my
> >> scripting, I *think* that the issue is in the way I'm trying to use
> >> the revDatabaseColumnNamed() function which I don't fully understand.
> >>
> >> Based on the info shown, can someone please show me how to properly
> >> get the record set into variables so I can display them in the
> >> appropriate fields on my stack?
> >>
> >> I'd really appreciate any help or advise.
> >>
> >> -Doc-
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> use-revolution mailing list
> >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> >>
> >>
> > - -----------------------------------------------------------
> > Frank D. Engel, Jr.  <fde101 at fjrhome.net>
> >
> > $ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
> > $ true | cat /usr/manual | grep "John 3:16"
> > John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten
> > Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have
> > everlasting life.
> > $
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> >
> >
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> >
> - -----------------------------------------------------------
> Frank D. Engel, Jr.  <fde101 at fjrhome.net>
> 
> $ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
> $ true | cat /usr/manual | grep "John 3:16"
> John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten
> Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have
> everlasting life.
> $
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From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Wed Dec 29 13:59:20 2004
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 10:59:20 -0800
Subject: more SQL problems
In-Reply-To: <9d58de7d04122910025c0ce528@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9d58de7d04122908095d28ae8a@mail.gmail.com>
	<3E18B111-59BB-11D9-B682-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>
	<C5146F06-59BC-11D9-B682-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>
	<9d58de7d04122910025c0ce528@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BF1D3274-59CB-11D9-A5EC-000A956C462A@mangomultimedia.com>


On Dec 29, 2004, at 10:02 AM, docmann wrote:

> You folks are fantastic! It works exactly as intended now. :)
>
> Geesh, I still don't know how I got so far off track in attempting
> this <shaking  and pounding head on desk vigorously> and clearly need
> to revisit the documentation. :(
>
> On a side note, I intentionally entered data that I knew did not
> exist, just to see what would happen and got a "revdberr,invalid
> column number" message. Is there a proper way to test and/or trap
> these types of errors when a record doesn't exist?
>
> Again, thank you very VERY much!

Try this:

if revCurrentRecordIsLast(q) = false then
	revMoveToFirstRecord q
	put revDatabaseColumnNamed(q, "City") into field "myCity"
	put revDatabaseColumnNamed(q, "State") into field "myState"
	put revDatabaseColumnNamed(q, "Zip") into field "myZip"
else
	answer "no record"
end if


-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Multimedia
trevor at mangomultimedia.com


From revolution at jaedworks.com  Wed Dec 29 14:16:28 2004
From: revolution at jaedworks.com (Jeanne A. E. DeVoto)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 11:16:28 -0800
Subject: menu woes...
In-Reply-To: <d4.1e566ffa.2f043c7a@aol.com>
References: <d4.1e566ffa.2f043c7a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <p062007cdbdf8b208a5bc@[66.93.39.98]>

At 11:59 AM -0500 12/29/04, SimPLsol at aol.com wrote:
>      I suppose it is fine that Rev. Gurus, with years of experience, can
>wrestle the menus to submission - especially is they know 
>undocumented features.
>But, admit it, they are a newbe nightmare. Better documentation would help
>(especially if it included a troubleshooting section addressing the many menu
>issues reported on this list).

"Why does the top of my stack window disappear when I add a menu 
bar?" is a troubleshooting question that describes just this problem 
and its solution. The scrolling behavior is also described fairly 
extensively in "About menus and the menu bar". And, of course, the 
editMenus property is listed in the dictionary.

None of what's been discussed is an "undocumented feature". The bug 
that Jacque tracked down with the editMenus scroll being applied 
multiple times is not documented, but bugs normally aren't.
-- 
jeanne a. e. devoto ~ revolution at jaedworks.com
http://www.jaedworks.com

From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Wed Dec 29 14:48:03 2004
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 11:48:03 -0800
Subject: menu woes...
In-Reply-To: <41D2DB70.4010902@fourthworld.com>
References: <41D1F08B.5090606@chipp.com>
 <4629261385.20041228164453@ahsoftware.net> <41D2DB70.4010902@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <1427474167.20041229114803@ahsoftware.net>

Richard-

Wednesday, December 29, 2004, 8:29:36 AM, you wrote:

RG> So if you encounter any menuing issues that don't fit the recipe
RG> described in Bug #744, please do as Chipp did: post it here, folks will
RG> look it over and provide a recommendation for a solution.

RG> I can't guarantee that there may not be other issues not yet known, and
RG> of course identifying them and providing a recipe in Bugzilla is the
RG> best way to see them resolved.  But I have high confidence that most
RG> issues with menus can be resolved in just a few posts to this list.

Resizing issues aside, I herewith present:

http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=2366

RG> Carpe menus!

Or maybe cave menum...

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Wed Dec 29 14:56:49 2004
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 11:56:49 -0800
Subject: menu woes...
In-Reply-To: <41D244C4.4010605@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <41D1F08B.5090606@chipp.com>
	<41D244C4.4010605@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <1588000063.20041229115649@ahsoftware.net>

Jacque-

Tuesday, December 28, 2004, 9:46:44 PM, you wrote:

JLG> I don't think it is really broken as such. Once I understood how it
JLG> works, menu behavior started to make sense. You just have to account for
JLG> the scrolling behavior on Macs and plan for it. I haven't noticed any
JLG> blank space on my Windows apps.

Well, this may be an issue of semantics. "Planning for it" means
leaving enough space at the top of a stack so that when it scrolls on
the Mac none of the data will be hidden. I like the substack idea,
though, and I may come back to revisit this some day. Nonetheless, I
agree with the comments that this should be easier. Menus are a basic
part of the OS and it shouldn't be this much work fiddling with things
to provide cross-platform functionality.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Dec 29 15:02:58 2004
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 14:02:58 -0600
Subject: menu woes...
In-Reply-To: <1588000063.20041229115649@ahsoftware.net>
References: <41D1F08B.5090606@chipp.com>	<41D244C4.4010605@hyperactivesw.com>
	<1588000063.20041229115649@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <41D30D72.5020700@hyperactivesw.com>

On 12/29/04 1:56 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:

> Jacque-
> 
> Tuesday, December 28, 2004, 9:46:44 PM, you wrote:
> 
> JLG> I don't think it is really broken as such. Once I understood how it
> JLG> works, menu behavior started to make sense. You just have to account for
> JLG> the scrolling behavior on Macs and plan for it. I haven't noticed any
> JLG> blank space on my Windows apps.
> 
> Well, this may be an issue of semantics. "Planning for it" means
> leaving enough space at the top of a stack so that when it scrolls on
> the Mac none of the data will be hidden.

One thing to note is that the stack scroll will be the height of your 
menubar *group* -- which is not necessarily the height of the visible 
buttons. Sometimes you may need to shorten the enclosing group a bit. 
Then you shouldn't lose any space at the top.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com

From viper4559 at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 29 15:20:25 2004
From: viper4559 at yahoo.com (Robert Sabo)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 12:20:25 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Random Name Generator
Message-ID: <20041229202025.5189.qmail@web50810.mail.yahoo.com>

Hey Everyone,
 
I just joined this group. Seems pretty cool. Well first let me fill you in with a little background info. I am a sophmore in highschool. I am taking a computer programming class however we use a dinosour program called Turbo Pascal. Some of the features (functions, commands etc) are pretty much the same. However I just need to learn how to write it all in runrev language. 
 
Well here's my problem. I am trying to make a program that will allow you to input however many names you want into a list. This list will be on the bottom section where you can delete users. The middle section will contain a text area for you to input another username and the top level will run the program. This program is going to be setup to randomly output a name from the list. I got my layout already made, however I am having problems finding good help on how to script what I want to do with the username list. 
 
All help is welcomed, if you need more info or have anymore questions just ask,
 
Thanks,
Robert


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From webmaster at dreamscapesoftware.com  Wed Dec 29 15:26:05 2004
From: webmaster at dreamscapesoftware.com (Derek Bump)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 14:26:05 -0600
Subject: Security Warning - Publisher
Message-ID: <000f01c4ede4$a0b57730$1519113f@DOWNSTAIRS>

Does anyone know how to change the "Author" and "Publisher" on the security warning that pop's up on WinXP SP2?
 

Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software
____________________________________________
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From chippwalters at tmail.com  Wed Dec 29 15:28:55 2004
From: chippwalters at tmail.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 14:28:55 -0600
Subject: menu woes...
In-Reply-To: <1588000063.20041229115649@ahsoftware.net>
References: <41D1F08B.5090606@chipp.com>
	<1588000063.20041229115649@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <1104352194.22FC4D22@r5.dngr.org>


On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 2:19 pm, Mark Wieder wrote:

> Well, this may be an issue of semantics. "Planning for it" means
> leaving enough space at the top of a stack so that when it scrolls on
> the Mac none of the data will be hidden. I like the substack idea,
> though, and I may come back to revisit this some day. Nonetheless, I
> agree with the comments that this should be easier. Menus are a basic
> part of the OS and it shouldn't be this much work fiddling with things
> to provide cross-platform functionality.

Mark,
I certainly understand your frustration, but for me as long as a 
solution exists and is somehow documented, I'm a happy camper.

One of the coolest aspects of Rev menus is that you can use the same 
menu grp, yet it displays correctly on multiple platforms, obviating the 
need to script workarounds (as in moving the Preferences menu to 
different positions).

A big plus is this list and the searchable archives (made even easier 
with your excellent plugin).

-Chipp
Chipp Walters, Altuit.com
Sent from my Sidekick

From klaus at major-k.de  Wed Dec 29 15:35:34 2004
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 21:35:34 +0100
Subject: Random Name Generator
In-Reply-To: <20041229202025.5189.qmail@web50810.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20041229202025.5189.qmail@web50810.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <30BB8F66-59D9-11D9-A9AA-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>

Hi Robert,

> Hey Everyone,
>
> I just joined this group. Seems pretty cool. Well first let me fill 
> you in with a little background info. I am a sophmore

you are a what?
Do you mean "sophomore"? ;-)

> in highschool. I am taking a computer programming class however we use 
> a dinosour program called Turbo Pascal. Some of the features 
> (functions, commands etc) are pretty much the same. However I just 
> need to learn how to write it all in runrev language.
>
> Well here's my problem. I am trying to make a program that will allow 
> you to input however many names you want into a list. This list will 
> be on the bottom section where you can delete users. The middle 
> section will contain a text area for you to input another username and 
> the top level will run the program. This program is going to be setup 
> to randomly output a name from the list. I got my layout already made, 
> however I am having problems finding good help on how to script what I 
> want to do with the username list.
>
> All help is welcomed, if you need more info or have anymore questions 
> just ask,

i am not sure what you want, but maybe soemthing like:

...
put ANY line of fld "userlist" into fld "display of a random name"
...

Will put a random line of one field into aother field :-)


Please correct me if i am wrong...

> Thanks,
> Robert

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de


From sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de  Wed Dec 29 16:06:39 2004
From: sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de (Wilhelm Sanke)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 22:06:39 +0100
Subject: Problem with field borderwidth 2
Message-ID: <41D31C5F.2080800@hrz.uni-kassel.de>

A stack developed with Metacard 2.5 contains several rows of adjacent 
fields - with the default borderwidth of 2 when the stack was created. 
The adjacent fields are placed relative to each other in such a way that 
the borders form smooth vertical and horizontal lines between the 
fields, giving the impression of a "net" in which the fields are 
embedded. The fields are on top of an image (which is intended to become 
visible when the fields are removed one by one when working with the stack).
The horizontal and vertical "lines" show as intended until engine 
version 2.5.1B3 (Metacard reading).

 From engine version 2.6.1 on - corresponding to Rev 2.5 and later - 
suddenly the underlying image shines through between the fields although 
they have not been moved.
Setting the borderwidths of the fields to 1 or 3 restores the "lines" 
between the fields - now of course of different width - and the image is 
no longer visible.
Setting the field borders back to the default width of 2 lets the image 
shine through the fields again.

This is on WindowsXP and holds both for the Rev and Metacard IDEs, 
meaning it is an engine problem.

Has anybody else noticed this or can verify my observation?

--Wilhelm Sanke
<www.sanke.org/MetaMedia>


From James.Cass at sealedair.com  Wed Dec 29 16:18:29 2004
From: James.Cass at sealedair.com (James.Cass at sealedair.com)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 16:18:29 -0500
Subject: Random Name Generator
In-Reply-To: <20041229202025.5189.qmail@web50810.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <OFC5A33E0C.7EF2512C-ON85256F79.00741BCF-85256F79.007536B5@sealedair.com>

Welcome to the RevList, Robert!

You'll find a lot of great help from this list.  I studied Turbo Pascal 
when I was in college, and that was 20 years ago (literally)!  Maybe you 
can turn your teacher on to Revolution and use it to teach basic 
programming ideas.

Good luck with your studies!
-James





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        cc: 
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Hey Everyone,

I just joined this group. Seems pretty cool. Well first let me fill you in 
with a little background info. I am a sophmore in highschool. I am taking 
a computer programming class however we use a dinosour program called 
Turbo Pascal. Some of the features (functions, commands etc) are pretty 
much the same. However I just need to learn how to write it all in runrev 
language.

Well here's my problem. I am trying to make a program that will allow you 
to input however many names you want into a list. This list will be on the 
bottom section where you can delete users. The middle section will contain 
a text area for you to input another username and the top level will run 
the program. This program is going to be setup to randomly output a name 
from the list. I got my layout already made, however I am having problems 
finding good help on how to script what I want to do with the username 
list.

All help is welcomed, if you need more info or have anymore questions just 
ask,

Thanks,
Robert


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From dsc at swcp.com  Wed Dec 29 16:53:14 2004
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 14:53:14 -0700
Subject: Problem with field borderwidth 2
In-Reply-To: <41D31C5F.2080800@hrz.uni-kassel.de>
References: <41D31C5F.2080800@hrz.uni-kassel.de>
Message-ID: <0A2198A4-59E4-11D9-876F-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>


On Dec 29, 2004, at 2:06 PM, Wilhelm Sanke wrote:

> Has anybody else noticed this or can verify my observation?

I don't see this on OS X or XP with Revolution 2.5.

I should clarify.

I made some fields with 3D turned off and a border of 2.  I set the 
left and right so that I thought they should butt.  They do.

I did not use a stack with butting borders made some time ago, so this 
does not indicate whether there was a change or not.  This does fit 
with my memory of some time ago, though.

Now, our models of what should butt might be different.  I tend to use 
a model of whole coordinates as being _between_ the pixels.  That is, a 
pixel is the rectangle formed by n,m,n+1,m+1.  This means that a 
rectangle contains whole pixels and does not split them down the edge.

So, I set the left of the right-hand field to the right of the 
left-hand field.

(Borders grow from the edge inward.)

Maybe you have focusBorder on?

I have vague memory of a border-like thing that grows outward, but I 
forgot what it is.

Dar
**********************************************
     DSC (Dar Scott Consulting & Dar's Lab)
     http://www.swcp.com/dsc/
     Programming Services and Software
**********************************************


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Wed Dec 29 16:53:54 2004
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 15:53:54 -0600
Subject: Random Name Generator
In-Reply-To: <20041229202025.5189.qmail@web50810.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BDF88392.C875%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 12/29/04 2:20 PM, "Robert Sabo" <viper4559 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hey Everyone,
>  
> I just joined this group. Seems pretty cool.

Hey, Robert... welcome!

> Well here's my problem. I am trying to make a program that will allow you to
> input however many names you want into a list. This list will be on the bottom
> section where you can delete users. The middle section will contain a text
> area for you to input another username and the top level will run the program.
> This program is going to be setup to randomly output a name from the list. I
> got my layout already made, however I am having problems finding good help on
> how to script what I want to do with the username list.

Suppose you had a list field called "User Names" which will contain the list
of user names, and a separate field called "Selected User" which will
contain the name of the randomly selected user name from the "User Names"
field. Add to this a button that says "Go", and you have this:

-- Script of button "Go"
on mouseUp
  put any line of field "User Names" into field "Selected User"
end mouseUp

Easy, no?

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Dec 29 18:49:23 2004
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 15:49:23 -0800
Subject: menu woes...
In-Reply-To: <d4.1e566ffa.2f043c7a@aol.com>
References: <d4.1e566ffa.2f043c7a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <41D34283.1010606@fourthworld.com>

SimPLsol at aol.com wrote:
 > However, documentation is just a stopgap measure;

Until the "Getting Started" info is restored it's a rather large gap. ;)

 > what is really needed is an easier, more reliable
 > way of handling menus in Rev.

What do you propose?

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  __________________________________________________
  Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev

From SimPLsol at aol.com  Wed Dec 29 19:07:26 2004
From: SimPLsol at aol.com (SimPLsol at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 19:07:26 EST
Subject: menu woes...
Message-ID: <1e.3bb36746.2f04a0be@aol.com>

Jeanne,
     Many smart people have posted to this list with stack resizing problems 
after adding menus to a stack used on OS X. The documentation does cover how 
menus are supposed to work. About six months ago I showed you a group of stacks 
on which I was having the resizing problem; we eventually worked around it by 
setting the stack sized specifically in an openStack handler (putting the 
same code in the preOpenStack did not work). This is not documented. There is no 
recipe for calling menus from substacks or storing them as resources.
     Rev.'s ambitious attempt to accommodate cross-platform menus is 
commendable but, if I may paraphrase Mark, menus are too fundamental to be so 
difficult.
Paul Looney

From frank at backtalk.com  Wed Dec 29 19:19:08 2004
From: frank at backtalk.com (Frank Leahy)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 00:19:08 +0000
Subject: menu woes...
In-Reply-To: <20041230000226.0019A930117@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20041230000226.0019A930117@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <6BE2D82E-59F8-11D9-A88F-000A9580FCCE@backtalk.com>

On Dec 30, 2004, at 12:02 AM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com 
wrote:

> Subject: Re: menu woes...
> To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Message-ID: <41D34283.1010606 at fourthworld.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> SimPLsol at aol.com wrote:
>> However, documentation is just a stopgap measure;
>
> Until the "Getting Started" info is restored it's a rather large gap. 
> ;)
>
>> what is really needed is an easier, more reliable
>> way of handling menus in Rev.
>
> What do you propose?
>

I think the Windows menu bar should be a separate object in the window, 
that is not attached to the "content" area.  This would mean that a 
window was comprised of the window titlebar (on Mac and PC), the window 
menu bar (on PC only), and the window content area (on Mac and PC).

The current hidden group implementation is fraught with problems.  For 
example, I want to change the font to something larger than the 
default, but I don't dare for fear of doing something that will never 
be correctable.

-- Frank

Web Photos Pro: Software for Photo Bloggers and Other Photo Power Users
See us on the web at http://www.webphotospro.com/



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Dec 29 19:29:11 2004
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 16:29:11 -0800
Subject: menu woes...
In-Reply-To: <6BE2D82E-59F8-11D9-A88F-000A9580FCCE@backtalk.com>
References: <20041230000226.0019A930117@mail.runrev.com>
	<6BE2D82E-59F8-11D9-A88F-000A9580FCCE@backtalk.com>
Message-ID: <41D34BD7.6040205@fourthworld.com>

Frank Leahy wrote:
> The current hidden group implementation is fraught with problems.  For 
> example, I want to change the font to something larger than the default, 
> but I don't dare for fear of doing something that will never be 
> correctable.

Which font?  The stack, the menu group, or individual menu buttons?
And what happens when you do that?

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  __________________________________________________
  Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev

From dsc at swcp.com  Wed Dec 29 19:50:21 2004
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 17:50:21 -0700
Subject: menu woes...
In-Reply-To: <41D34BD7.6040205@fourthworld.com>
References: <20041230000226.0019A930117@mail.runrev.com>
	<6BE2D82E-59F8-11D9-A88F-000A9580FCCE@backtalk.com>
	<41D34BD7.6040205@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <C879ED36-59FC-11D9-876F-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>


On Dec 29, 2004, at 5:29 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Frank Leahy wrote:
>> The current hidden group implementation is fraught with problems.  
>> For example, I want to change the font to something larger than the 
>> default, but I don't dare for fear of doing something that will never 
>> be correctable.
>
> Which font?  The stack, the menu group, or individual menu buttons?
> And what happens when you do that?

If I understand Frank right, you're missing the point.  The problem is 
the fear, not the font.

Dar

**********************************************
     DSC (Dar Scott Consulting & Dar's Lab)
     http://www.swcp.com/dsc/
     Programming Services and Software
**********************************************


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Dec 29 19:50:38 2004
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 16:50:38 -0800
Subject: menu woes...
In-Reply-To: <1e.3bb36746.2f04a0be@aol.com>
References: <1e.3bb36746.2f04a0be@aol.com>
Message-ID: <41D350DE.3040603@fourthworld.com>

SimPLsol at aol.com wrote:
> Jeanne,
>      Many smart people have posted to this list with stack resizing problems 
> after adding menus to a stack used on OS X. The documentation does cover how 
> menus are supposed to work. 

While doc recommendations are perhaps better served through the RevDocs 
group at Yahoo, as long as you mention it the entry point into the docs 
is a bit obscure.

Apple's Inside Macintosh series broke things into convenient groupings: 
  Menus, Windows, QuickTime, Graphics, Files, etc.

If the docs had such a topic list as the second-most-obvious thing (the 
first being a topic called "Getting Started with Revolution"), and then 
provided a good top-down description of how these elements are done in 
Rev, I think a lot of questions would go away.

There's a lot of reliance on searching the docs, but studies show search 
is rarely used, and even more rarely effectively, even in the best 
implementations (see the articles archive at uie.com).  And of course 
our collective experience suggests that the current search 
implementation in Rev could do with an expanded index (and options for 
find whole vs. find partial, etc.). ;)

There's more on this in the RevDocs list, but in short it seems things 
like this subject might be more easily learned if the docs had an entry 
path something like:

   Step 1       Step 2                   Step 3
   ------       -------                  ------
   ...
   Buttons
   Fields       ...
   Files        What is a Menu?          ...
   Graphics     Types of Menus           Using the Menu Builder
   Menus     -> Creating Menus        -> Cross-platfom Menus
   QuickTime    Responding to Messages   Mac tip: EditMenus property
   ...          Menu Properties          ...
                ...

A good taxonomy will obviate the need for most searches.  If the folks 
at DMOZ can come up with a taxonomy for everything, there must be a good 
taxonomy for the relatively small subset of things in Rev's corner of 
the universe. :)


> About six months ago I showed you a group of stacks 
> on which I was having the resizing problem; we eventually worked around it by 
> setting the stack sized specifically in an openStack handler (putting the 
> same code in the preOpenStack did not work). This is not documented.

The IT Works stacks I've seen had a different problem:  the menu group 
was sized way too large, extending below the bottom of the menu buttons 
within it.  If I recall on those stacks we set the menu group size to 
match the height of the buttons and the problem went away.

It's an unusual anomaly to have the menu group be so large.  The docs 
mention that the crop-and-scroll will crop at the bottom of the menu 
group, but it would have been almost frighteningly prescient of Jeanne 
if she included a topic for the specific circumstance you'd encountered. :)

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  __________________________________________________
  Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev

From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Dec 29 19:56:23 2004
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 16:56:23 -0800
Subject: menu woes...
In-Reply-To: <C879ED36-59FC-11D9-876F-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
References: <20041230000226.0019A930117@mail.runrev.com>
	<6BE2D82E-59F8-11D9-A88F-000A9580FCCE@backtalk.com>
	<41D34BD7.6040205@fourthworld.com>
	<C879ED36-59FC-11D9-876F-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <41D35237.3030001@fourthworld.com>

Dar Scott wrote:
> 
> On Dec 29, 2004, at 5:29 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>> Frank Leahy wrote:
>>> The current hidden group implementation is fraught with problems.  
>>> For example, I want to change the font to something larger than the 
>>> default, but I don't dare for fear of doing something that will never 
>>> be correctable.
>>
>>
>> Which font?  The stack, the menu group, or individual menu buttons?
>> And what happens when you do that?
> 
> If I understand Frank right, you're missing the point.  The problem is 
> the fear, not the font.

That was resolved by another Frank (Mr. Frank D. Roosevelt):
   "There's nothing to fear but fear itself."

When faced with the option to chose between experimenting on a backup to 
see what happens or not doing so out of fear, experimentation will yield 
more useful results.

In the worst case your fears will be confirmed, but at least you'll know 
rather than be guessing.

In the best case you'll find the solution you've been seeking, and move 
on to something more interesting....

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  __________________________________________________
  Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev

From alex at tweedly.net  Wed Dec 29 20:07:20 2004
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 01:07:20 +0000
Subject: menu woes...
In-Reply-To: <41D35237.3030001@fourthworld.com>
References: <20041230000226.0019A930117@mail.runrev.com>
	<6BE2D82E-59F8-11D9-A88F-000A9580FCCE@backtalk.com>
	<41D34BD7.6040205@fourthworld.com>
	<C879ED36-59FC-11D9-876F-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
	<41D35237.3030001@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <41D354C8.1000808@tweedly.net>

Richard Gaskin wrote:

> That was resolved by another Frank (Mr. Frank D. Roosevelt):
>   "There's nothing to fear but fear itself."
>
> When faced with the option to chose between experimenting on a backup 
> to see what happens or not doing so out of fear, experimentation will 
> yield more useful results.
>
> In the worst case your fears will be confirmed, but at least you'll 
> know rather than be guessing.

That's not the worst case, that's the medium case.
In the worst case, you will have introduced a problem which doesn't make 
itself visible to you, and sometime later (maybe on another machine / os 
/ universe) becomes apparent, and cannot be solved without major 
surgery. At that point, of course, you're unable to abandon the 
"attempt" because it is deeply bound into your last few months programming.

Hmmmm - maybe it'd be nice to have a source code control system 
including checkpoint or diff / merge that could work on stacks ...

-- Alex.



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From SimPLsol at aol.com  Wed Dec 29 20:12:39 2004
From: SimPLsol at aol.com (SimPLsol at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 20:12:39 EST
Subject: Menu woes
Message-ID: <79.3bcbf7bb.2f04b007@aol.com>

Richard Gaskin wrote:
What do you propose?

Good question!
1. Keep the good stuff.
     Although it causes half of the menu problems, I think it is important to 
continue having a cross-platform solution. Building menus with buttons may 
not be the best way to accomplish this. What we have now has carried us a long 
way but menus via externals would solve some of the problems and offer more 
flexibility.
2. I'd like to see the menus be separate from the stack.
     If the menus are separate, one can update them easily. This is important 
if you (or your customers) have stacks with a lot of data and you want to add 
or change menus and/or menuItems. This is really simple if you can store the 
menu code in a plugin.
3. I'd like the ability to have basic and expanded menus. 
     Most stacks in my business system have the same core menus. Individual 
stacks have different print commands and different items in the "Special" menu. 
It would be helpful to build the core menus once and then just add to them 
(probably in an openStack handler) as needed. This would also allow editing one 
core menu which would apply to all stacks where the core menu is used.
4. I don't believe putting menus in substacks is a good overall solution. 
There have been too many postings on this list regarding problems created by 
substacks.

I realize this is more theory than technique but I hope it helps a bit. More 
later.
Paul Looney

From SimPLsol at aol.com  Wed Dec 29 20:36:26 2004
From: SimPLsol at aol.com (SimPLsol at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 20:36:26 EST
Subject: menu woes...
Message-ID: <1dd.33dd300a.2f04b59a@aol.com>


In a message dated 12/29/04 16:51:27, ambassador at fourthworld.com writes:


> taxonomy
> 

Richard,
I agree with you that a good taxonomy for the current documentation would 
help. My experience with Rev. is that there is good intermediate help and good 
advanced help but weak beginning help. Even Dan's book is post-beginner. And 
that's alright if there was good coverage of the basics elsewhere.
Incidentally, the stack you and I were working on was Contacts; Jeanne and I 
worked on Schedules; different issues. One of the bizarre things in Contacts, 
if you remember, was the fact that it had two menus (one of which was the 
original HyperCard background!). The documentation could not have anticipated 
that. Besides, my complaint in not really with the documentation. If menus could 
be implemented in a more reliable way, LESS documentation would be required.
I think there are different levels of documentation. There is the "final", 
"this is how it is supposed to work" docs. and "working" docs. which guide one 
around the pot holes until they can be fixed. The first type exists. This list 
takes the place of the second - but the list doesn't get summarized in one 
convenient place that has a list of problems (call them FAQs) and proposed 
workarounds. Consequently, people ask the same questions again and again; if you 
don't follow the list daily you can miss problems and solutions; it is hard to 
find answers to old questions.
Paul Looney

From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Dec 29 20:41:56 2004
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 17:41:56 -0800
Subject: menu woes...
In-Reply-To: <1427474167.20041229114803@ahsoftware.net>
References: <41D1F08B.5090606@chipp.com>
	<4629261385.20041228164453@ahsoftware.net> <41D2DB70.4010902@fourthworld.com>
	<1427474167.20041229114803@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <41D35CE4.1050104@fourthworld.com>

Mark Wieder wrote:
> Richard-
> 
> Wednesday, December 29, 2004, 8:29:36 AM, you wrote:
> 
> RG> So if you encounter any menuing issues that don't fit the recipe
> RG> described in Bug #744, please do as Chipp did: post it here, folks will
> RG> look it over and provide a recommendation for a solution.
> 
> RG> I can't guarantee that there may not be other issues not yet known, and
> RG> of course identifying them and providing a recipe in Bugzilla is the
> RG> best way to see them resolved.  But I have high confidence that most
> RG> issues with menus can be resolved in just a few posts to this list.
> 
> Resizing issues aside, I herewith present:
> 
> http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=2366

Aside from the bit about menu keys not working (perhaps that should be a 
separate report?) most of that report is pretty much a summary of the 
normal behavior of menus to accomodate Mac OS's idiosynchracies (see the 
discussion in the docs under Topics->Menus and the MenuBar, in the 
subsection toward the bottom labelled "Special menu items").

If the problem is that the documentation needs to be revised to make 
that discussion more easily findable, that's a different matter from 
requesting a change to the behavior itself.


The current behavior allows you to make one HIG-compliant menu bar for 
use on all supported operating systems, and the engine automatically 
makes the necessary adjustments to accomodate the unique idiosynchracies 
of Mac OS Classic and OS X:

   File->Quit: OS X is the only OS with an application menu,
               where it expects the Quit item to reside; all
               other OSes, including Classic, put this item
               at the end of the File menu.  This item is
               normally set apart from other items by a
               separator.  To accomodate OS X without
               requiring you to make another menu group just
               for that one OS, the engine moves the last
               item to the application menu on OS X, and
               also removes what would be the dangling
               separator.

   Edit->Preferences: by convention Preferences is the last
               item in the Edit menu, made distinct from other
               items with a separator.  Because OS X is the
               only OS that moves this to the application
               menu, that item and its separator are moved for
               you automatically.

   Help->About:  All operating systems put the About item as
               the last item in the Help menu, except Classic
               which puts it under the Apple menu and OS X
               which puts it in the application menu.  To
               avoid requiring you to make three menu groups
               depending on the OS you're running, the About
               item is moved from its normal place on all other
               OSes to the appropriate menu on Mac systems.

Without the engine taking care of these moves for you, you'd have to 
write a complicated routine that checks the platform and does the same 
thing.  And Rev would have to be extended to include a way for the 
developer to address the application and Apple menus, which are 
maintained by the system.

What simpler method do you envision for making HIG-compliant 
cross-platform menus?

I agree that non-standard menu items should also be supported (though 
I'd never use them nor recommend them, someone may need them), so as a 
low-priority item perhaps RunRev could consider a new stack property, 
something like "dontModifyMenus", to full preserve menu items even if it 
makes the app appear non-standard.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  __________________________________________________
  Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev

From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Dec 29 20:45:20 2004
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 17:45:20 -0800
Subject: menu woes...
In-Reply-To: <1dd.33dd300a.2f04b59a@aol.com>
References: <1dd.33dd300a.2f04b59a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <41D35DB0.5090405@fourthworld.com>

SimPLsol at aol.com wrote:
 > In a message dated 12/29/04 16:51:27, ambassador at fourthworld.com writes:
 > ...my complaint in not really with the documentation.
 > If menus could be implemented in a more reliable way,
 > LESS documentation would be required.

Aside from the issue Jacque identified in bug #744, what behaviors are 
not working reliably as documented?

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  __________________________________________________
  Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev

From SimPLsol at aol.com  Wed Dec 29 20:54:56 2004
From: SimPLsol at aol.com (SimPLsol at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 20:54:56 EST
Subject: menu woes...
Message-ID: <a3.69f8bbe5.2f04b9f0@aol.com>

Stacks without substacks also have the resizing problem. I solved it on mine, 
not by adjusting the menubar size (although I did that, too) but by resizing 
the stacks in an openStack handler.
Paul Looney

From cassj at earthlink.net  Wed Dec 29 21:01:07 2004
From: cassj at earthlink.net (James Cass)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 21:01:07 -0500
Subject: Random Name Generator
In-Reply-To: <BDF88392.C875%kray@sonsothunder.com>
References: <BDF88392.C875%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <AB20F382-5A06-11D9-95C8-000D93C26DB4@earthlink.net>

Robert -

Ken just showed you how easy it is to get things done with Rev.  If you 
wanted to try your exercise another way, just for understanding the 
programmatic steps needed to get your result, you could break it down 
like this (this code goes in the script of Ken's "Go" button):

	on mouseUp
	  --  Ken's example.  Revolution makes it easy to pick a random item 
from the list.
	  --put any line of field "User Names" into field "Selected User"
	
	  -- Old school with a Rev twist
	  set lineDel to return  -- set the line delimiter
	  put the number of lines of fld "User Names" into numNames
	  put random(numNames) into randNum  -- pick a random line number from 
1 to the number of names
	  put line randNum of fld "User Names" into fld "Selected User"  
--show a random name from the list
	end mouseUp

Ken's method is much more compact of course.  :-)

Hope this helps....James
------------------------------------
When mind control works,
you won't know it.


On Dec 29, 2004, at 4:53 PM, Ken Ray wrote:

> On 12/29/04 2:20 PM, "Robert Sabo" <viper4559 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Hey Everyone,
>>
>> I just joined this group. Seems pretty cool.
>
> Hey, Robert... welcome!
>
>> Well here's my problem. I am trying to make a program that will allow 
>> you to
>> input however many names you want into a list. This list will be on 
>> the bottom
>> section where you can delete users. The middle section will contain a 
>> text
>> area for you to input another username and the top level will run the 
>> program.
>> This program is going to be setup to randomly output a name from the 
>> list. I
>> got my layout already made, however I am having problems finding good 
>> help on
>> how to script what I want to do with the username list.
>
> Suppose you had a list field called "User Names" which will contain 
> the list
> of user names, and a separate field called "Selected User" which will
> contain the name of the randomly selected user name from the "User 
> Names"
> field. Add to this a button that says "Go", and you have this:
>
> -- Script of button "Go"
> on mouseUp
>   put any line of field "User Names" into field "Selected User"
> end mouseUp
>
> Easy, no?
>
> Ken Ray
> Sons of Thunder Software
> Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
> Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
>

From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Dec 29 21:26:14 2004
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 18:26:14 -0800
Subject: menu woes...
In-Reply-To: <a3.69f8bbe5.2f04b9f0@aol.com>
References: <a3.69f8bbe5.2f04b9f0@aol.com>
Message-ID: <41D36746.2020705@fourthworld.com>

SimPLsol at aol.com wrote:
> Stacks without substacks also have the resizing problem. I solved it on mine, 
> not by adjusting the menubar size (although I did that, too) but by resizing 
> the stacks in an openStack handler.

What's the recipe for reproducing this?

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  __________________________________________________
  Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev

From capellan2000 at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 29 22:10:35 2004
From: capellan2000 at yahoo.com (Alejandro Tejada)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 19:10:35 -0800 (PST)
Subject: getting the Real name of CDs from RR
In-Reply-To: <20041230000226.0019A930117@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <20041230031035.75392.qmail@web40512.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi developers,

I'm building a file cataloging and
comparation tool with RR.

I'm having a problem to
identify the real name of the CDs
that i want to create a catalog.

I could get the letter
that identifies the device:
For example E:/ or D:/

But CDs always have a name like:
NEW_CD or BK_DIC04

How could i get the real name of a CD from 
RR in Windows?

Thanks in advance.

al



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From kray at sonsothunder.com  Wed Dec 29 22:38:51 2004
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 21:38:51 -0600
Subject: getting the Real name of CDs from RR
In-Reply-To: <20041230031035.75392.qmail@web40512.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BDF8D46B.C89D%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 12/29/04 9:10 PM, "Alejandro Tejada" <capellan2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> How could i get the real name of a CD from
> RR in Windows?

You could switch to that drive and get a "dir" under shell(); the first line
says "Volume in drive <letter> is <name>", and you can parse it from that.

Something like this:

on mouseUp
 answer GetCDName("D:")
end mouseUp

function GetCDName pLetter
  set the hideConsoleWindows to true
  put shell(pLetter & " & dir") into temp
  return last word of line 1 of temp
end GetCDName


HTH,

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From katir at hindu.org  Thu Dec 30 00:13:02 2004
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 19:13:02 -1000
Subject: CGI Failures --lineoffset
Message-ID: <7A9193E0-5A21-11D9-8F73-000A959D0AC6@hindu.org>

I'm getting failures of certain functions when running script(s) as a 
cgi either on under apache/Darwin engine or Linux/Linux Engine, that 
work perfectly fine from within the IDE under OSX with 2.5.  (engine 
version I'm running on darwin is returning MC 2.5  while under my IDE 
in OSX I'm getting 2.6.1)

Here is the latest anomaly : the lineoffset

I have a function which is intended to do the same job as mod_include 
on cgi output where template files have SSI's that I want to parse for 
insertion of SSI chunks. This way when these chunks are changed all the 
templates used in CGI output also change, automatically (an old 
problem: Apache doesn't do this, yet.. cross your fingers...)

Basically the script is trying to target includes like this:

<div id="siteWideNavTop">
				<!--#include virtual="/ssi/site_wide_nav.html" -->
</div>

using the following function to get the include, and return the 
template file with the include inserted.  After mysterious failures I 
focused in on the lineoffset function and returned that variable 
itself... running under OSX from inside the IDE I am getting line 22 
returned by

   put lineoffset (tSSI,tTemplate) into tIncludeLine

but running as a CGI using the Darwin engine...  I'm getting

line 1

I tried this:

set the linedelimiter to numtoChar(10)

thinking we are having some underlying OS line delimiter confusion, but 
it didn't help...

anyone know anything about this?  I've a few other "only in CGI mode" 
bugs that are very pesky....The version of the engine running revApp 
2.5  is 2.6.1... but the version I get back from the Darwin engine is 
metacard 2.5... but the lineoffset function is "ancient history" I 
wouldn't think that this difference in engine version would make a 
difference.

Lineoffset is a "mission critical' function for lots of html 
manipulation processes.. any insights?

===========

function insertInclude tTemplate,tSSI

# this did not help:
--set the linedelimiter to numtoChar(10)


   put lineoffset (tSSI,tTemplate) into tIncludeLine

# ignore the rest of this until the last line
# all this works fine on OSX running under the IDE

   # the actual include is one line down
  # put tIncludeLine+ 1 into tIncludeLine

   # pull out the path to the chunk
   # which is the only quoted string in the include

   set the itemdel to quote
   put item 2 of (line tIncludeLine of tTemplate) into tPath
   delete char 1 of tPath

   ## we have to climb out of the cgi-bin
   # on Varuna, (production server) for testing:

   put ".." before tPath

# on Siddhi  (distribution server, final cgi to check in)
  -- put "../html/" before tPath

   # *always* put the expression pointing to a URL in parenthesis
   # otherwise it will fail, unlike most  other xTalk expressions
   # where the cat operator "&" is usually first in precedence
# in this case (url "file:") is first in evaluation... then the concat 
"&"

   put url ("file:" & tPath) into tIncludeChunk

   put line tIncludeLine of tTemplate into tSSI

   replace tSSI with tIncludeChunk in tTemplate
#return tTemplate
   return tIncludeLine
## I get "22" under with 2.5 running under the IDE, but
## we get "1" running as a CGI with the Darwin engine
end insertInclude



Sannyasin Sivakatirswami
Himalayan Academy Publications
at Kauai's Hindu Monastery
katir at hindu.org

www.HimalayanAcademy.com,
www.HinduismToday.com
www.Gurudeva.org
www.Hindu.org


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Dec 30 00:23:17 2004
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 23:23:17 -0600
Subject: Menu woes
In-Reply-To: <79.3bcbf7bb.2f04b007@aol.com>
References: <79.3bcbf7bb.2f04b007@aol.com>
Message-ID: <41D390C5.3080104@hyperactivesw.com>

On 12/29/04 7:12 PM, SimPLsol at aol.com wrote:

> What we have now has carried us a long 
> way but menus via externals would solve some of the problems and offer more 
> flexibility.

You don't really mean "externals" as in "dll/bundle/XCMD" do you? Please 
say you mean something else.

If you think this menu discussion is heated, you ought to hear me when 
"externals" is the topic. :)

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com

From kray at sonsothunder.com  Thu Dec 30 00:30:43 2004
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 23:30:43 -0600
Subject: CGI Failures --lineoffset
In-Reply-To: <7A9193E0-5A21-11D9-8F73-000A959D0AC6@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <BDF8EEA3.C8A7%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 12/29/04 11:13 PM, "Sivakatirswami" <katir at hindu.org> wrote:

> set the linedelimiter to numtoChar(10)

Did you try:

  set the lineDel to numToChar(13)

?? I've had issues with line delimitereds under CGI scripts...

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Dec 30 01:51:49 2004
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 22:51:49 -0800
Subject: questions about recording audio
Message-ID: <41D3A585.1060804@fourthworld.com>

Three questions about recording audio:

 > 1. Support for new compressors?
The recordCompressorTypes property returns a list of available 
compressors that includes items (like MPEG-4) which are not shown in the 
"answer record" dialog.

Since the "answer record" command calls QT to bring up its dialog, why 
aren't all of the available compressors shown?


 > 2. How to determine format/compressor compatibility?
The docs say:
    Not all sound file formats are compatible with all
    supported codecs. If you try to record sound using
    a recordCompressionType that is not compatible
    with the recordFormat, the compression type will
    be changed automatically to a codec that is
    compatible with the specified recordFormat.

How can I determine which compressors are available for which formats?


 > 3. Updating options in the "answer record" dialog
If I change the recordFormat and then call "answer record", it always 
displays the same list of codecs.

Is there a way to have the "answer record" dialog only show options 
relevant for the current recordFormat?


TIA-

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  Fourth World Media Corporation
  __________________________________________________
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From chipp at chipp.com  Thu Dec 30 02:04:04 2004
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 01:04:04 -0600
Subject: menu woes...
In-Reply-To: <p062007cdbdf8b208a5bc@[66.93.39.98]>
References: <d4.1e566ffa.2f043c7a@aol.com>
	<p062007cdbdf8b208a5bc@[66.93.39.98]>
Message-ID: <41D3A864.1040204@chipp.com>

Jeanne,

With all due respect and credit to your amazing documentation, I could 
find no discussion of how to keep from auto-downsizing a stack when 
using MacOSX menubars. Now that I know how simple it is to do this:

1) set the editmenus of the stack to true
2) hide the menu group

It makes menus a 'snap' to work with! I understand you cannot be 
expected to provide help and documentation on all possible configuration 
and features, but this one certainly can use an FAQ (Monte?).

best,
Chipp

Jeanne A. E. DeVoto wrote:


> None of what's been discussed is an "undocumented feature". The bug that 
> Jacque tracked down with the editMenus scroll being applied multiple 
> times is not documented, but bugs normally aren't.

From chipp at chipp.com  Thu Dec 30 02:05:00 2004
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 01:05:00 -0600
Subject: menu woes...
In-Reply-To: <a3.69f8bbe5.2f04b9f0@aol.com>
References: <a3.69f8bbe5.2f04b9f0@aol.com>
Message-ID: <41D3A89C.1000005@chipp.com>

Paul,

Did you see my earlier post on how to keep your main stack from resizing 
at all?

best,

Chipp

SimPLsol at aol.com wrote:

> Stacks without substacks also have the resizing problem. I solved it on mine, 
> not by adjusting the menubar size (although I did that, too) but by resizing 
> the stacks in an openStack handler.

From chipp at chipp.com  Thu Dec 30 02:17:08 2004
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 01:17:08 -0600
Subject: menu woes...
In-Reply-To: <6BE2D82E-59F8-11D9-A88F-000A9580FCCE@backtalk.com>
References: <20041230000226.0019A930117@mail.runrev.com>
	<6BE2D82E-59F8-11D9-A88F-000A9580FCCE@backtalk.com>
Message-ID: <41D3AB74.5010602@chipp.com>



Frank Leahy wrote:


> I think the Windows menu bar should be a separate object in the window, 
> that is not attached to the "content" area.  This would mean that a 
> window was comprised of the window titlebar (on Mac and PC), the window 
> menu bar (on PC only), and the window content area (on Mac and PC).
> 
> The current hidden group implementation is fraught with problems.  For 
> example, I want to change the font to something larger than the default, 
> but I don't dare for fear of doing something that will never be 
> correctable.


Frank,

I'm glad the Windows menu bar is *not* separate. I want to be able to 
have the utmost in flexibility with my menu designs so that I can make a 
menu with other stuff on the same level as in:

www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/trash/trash.htm

Notice, in the image above, I *have* changed the fontsize of the menuGrp 
with no problems whatsoever in the resizing. In fact, on the mac, the 
window looks *identical* with the exception the menuBar is (of course) 
on the top of the screen - but there is no window size difference.

On the Mac, it is expected one should do things a certain way, but this 
is not so on Windows- see the menubar feature in the latest version of 
MS MediaPlayer for instance.

I wish the menu system to stay how it is, but hope there are better 
examples and documentation on how to resolve different cross-platform 
problems.

best,

Chipp

From chipp at chipp.com  Thu Dec 30 02:22:10 2004
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 01:22:10 -0600
Subject: menu woes...
In-Reply-To: <41D354C8.1000808@tweedly.net>
References: <20041230000226.0019A930117@mail.runrev.com>
	<6BE2D82E-59F8-11D9-A88F-000A9580FCCE@backtalk.com>
	<41D34BD7.6040205@fourthworld.com>
	<C879ED36-59FC-11D9-876F-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
	<41D35237.3030001@fourthworld.com> <41D354C8.1000808@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <41D3ACA2.6060303@chipp.com>

Alex,

You might want to check out MagicCarpet for version controlling your 
stacks (if you haven't). It works as a plugin inside Rev. It allows you 
to save notes on different versions and roll back to previous versions.

It doesn't do a diff/merge (yet).

www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/MagicCarpetCover/default.htm

-Chipp

Alex Tweedly wrote:


> Hmmmm - maybe it'd be nice to have a source code control system 
> including checkpoint or diff / merge that could work on stacks ...


From chipp at chipp.com  Thu Dec 30 02:33:35 2004
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 01:33:35 -0600
Subject: menu woes...
In-Reply-To: <1dd.33dd300a.2f04b59a@aol.com>
References: <1dd.33dd300a.2f04b59a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <41D3AF4F.5090605@chipp.com>

Paul,

Very good point indeed. In fact, IMO, the documentation is the most 
critical component which needs 'help' in the IDE. More than once, I've 
found myself going back to a previous version of Rev to access the old 
stack-based documents.

I really like what Monte has done with the XML approach, but there are 
things missing, specifically the inability to quickly search all help 
docs for a single phrase. Of course, with the docs in XML format, it 
would be easy for someone to write an indexer for them.

I really like the 'online' component of the docs, but find it's not used 
much. Possibly, if it were used more, and searchable, it might make 
things easier for doc writers.

A good number and high quality of examples is also quite helpful. I seem 
to remember Jeanne telling me some astronomical figure for the number of 
hours it would take to properly make examples for all of the handlers, 
functions, properties, etc.. in the existing documentation. If all of us 
could do so when needed, and have them linked to the existing docs, it 
would certainly make things easier for all of us.

best,

Chipp


SimPLsol at aol.com wrote:


> I agree with you that a good taxonomy for the current documentation would 
> help. My experience with Rev. is that there is good intermediate help and good 
> advanced help but weak beginning help. Even Dan's book is post-beginner. And 
> that's alright if there was good coverage of the basics elsewhere.

From howard.bornstein at gmail.com  Wed Dec 29 17:48:00 2004
From: howard.bornstein at gmail.com (Howard Bornstein)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 17:48:00 -0500
Subject: menu woes...
In-Reply-To: <3f07cc260412291446636ae12d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <0D4F1CE1-59D9-11D9-BD4B-000A95909E26@tmail.com>
	 <3f07cc260412291446636ae12d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3f07cc260412291448799e7dca@mail.gmail.com>

I rarely think to set up menus at the beginning of stack development,
but I've learned with Rev that I save myself a *lot* of grief if I
automatically create the default menus with the Menu Builder tool
right at the beginning of a project. This places the menu group in the
stack, scrolls the stack to hide the group and from then on I can
develop without concern for the "changes" that menus do to the stack.
It's easy to modify the existing menubar once it's been created.

More times that I can count, I've had to rely on Jacque's nifty
"pushdown" script to push every object in the stack down 22 pixels
when I've waited until everything was built before I added the
menubar.

--
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-----------------------
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-----------------------
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From docmann at gmail.com  Thu Dec 30 03:32:28 2004
From: docmann at gmail.com (docmann)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 02:32:28 -0600
Subject: Hooray and thanks!
Message-ID: <9d58de7d04123000325fa5e855@mail.gmail.com>

Hooray! :) :) :)
I just completed the transaction, upgrading from Dreamcard to Rev
Studio as well as ordering a copy of Dan Shafer's "Software at the
speed of thought". Taking advantage of the Christmas special, I know
that I got a really great deal on an already great product and look
forward to trying out the AltBrowser and Magic Carpet products as
well. (I'm a genuine browser-head and have enjoyed building several
using other development tools.)

As I think I've mentioned before, I've been following the development
progress of Rev off and on from it's very first release and finally
decided to dive in. Hat's off to the Rev development team for an
amazing product!

I'd also like to again say thank you to all of the fantastic folks
that participate on the list for all of the great help and advice to
newb's like myself. Although Rev is so much different than any other
programming tool/language I've ever used, you good folks have given me
the confidence that I'll be able to learn and prosper with it.

Much appreciated!

-Doc-

From revolution at jaedworks.com  Thu Dec 30 01:19:11 2004
From: revolution at jaedworks.com (Jeanne A. E. DeVoto)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 22:19:11 -0800
Subject: menu woes...
In-Reply-To: <1e.3bb36746.2f04a0be@aol.com>
References: <1e.3bb36746.2f04a0be@aol.com>
Message-ID: <p0620078fbdf905fc53b8@[66.93.39.98]>

At 7:07 PM -0500 12/29/04, SimPLsol at aol.com wrote:
>About six months ago I showed you a group of stacks
>on which I was having the resizing problem; we eventually worked around it by
>setting the stack sized specifically in an openStack handler (putting the
>same code in the preOpenStack did not work). This is not documented.

Well, normally bugs aren't discussed in the main documentation. It's 
possible to do so, of course, but it's a lot of effort that has to be 
undone when the bug is fixed, and also there's the chance that a bug 
reference will be overlooked and not removed from the docs. They are 
often discussed in the Read Me/release notes, and I used to list the 
most often-encountered bugs in the release note.

Possibly the best of both worlds would be to provide some sort of 
contextual access to Bugzilla from the docs - for example, a "Find 
any known bugs related to this item" under "See Also". The Web Notes 
feature might be a step in this direction.
-- 
jeanne a. e. devoto ~ revolution at jaedworks.com
http://www.jaedworks.com

From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Dec 30 05:32:17 2004
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 02:32:17 -0800
Subject: menu woes...
In-Reply-To: <p0620078fbdf905fc53b8@[66.93.39.98]>
References: <1e.3bb36746.2f04a0be@aol.com>
	<p0620078fbdf905fc53b8@[66.93.39.98]>
Message-ID: <41D3D931.9090406@fourthworld.com>

Jeanne A. E. DeVoto wrote:
> At 7:07 PM -0500 12/29/04, SimPLsol at aol.com wrote:
> 
>> About six months ago I showed you a group of stacks
>> on which I was having the resizing problem; we eventually worked 
>> around it by
>> setting the stack sized specifically in an openStack handler (putting the
>> same code in the preOpenStack did not work). This is not documented.
> 
> Well, normally bugs aren't discussed in the main documentation. It's 
> possible to do so, of course, but it's a lot of effort that has to be 
> undone when the bug is fixed, and also there's the chance that a bug 
> reference will be overlooked and not removed from the docs.

What is the Bugzilla number for this one?

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  __________________________________________________
  Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev

From johnmiller1950 at sbcglobal.net  Thu Dec 30 06:08:44 2004
From: johnmiller1950 at sbcglobal.net (John Miller)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 06:08:44 -0500
Subject: Database Doldrums
Message-ID: <2BED6846-5A53-11D9-91E8-000A95880812@sbcglobal.net>

Frank,

Thanks for your help.  I was able to get JOIN to work.

Gratefully,
John Miller


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Dec 30 06:40:48 2004
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 03:40:48 -0800
Subject: Hooray and thanks!
In-Reply-To: <9d58de7d04123000325fa5e855@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9d58de7d04123000325fa5e855@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <41D3E940.9090404@fourthworld.com>

docmann wrote:
 > Although Rev is so much different than any other
 > programming tool/language I've ever used, you
 > good folks have given me the confidence that I'll
 > be able to learn and prosper with it.

That's the type of results-focused comment that makes contributing to 
the list worthwhile.

Thank you for taking the time to post that, Doc.

Keep those questions coming...

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  __________________________________________________
  Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev

From mark at maseurope.net  Thu Dec 30 06:44:51 2004
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 11:44:51 +0000
Subject: Menu woes....
In-Reply-To: <20041230065658.E7FFE93010F@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20041230065658.E7FFE93010F@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <3758E83C-5A58-11D9-AD22-000D93C19756@maseurope.net>

Chipp, is this for real? I'm confused. To walk through what I've just 
done:

Create new mainstack

Use Menu Builder to create a new menu "MenuBar 1"
the menu group appears in the top left of the stack

check "Set as menu bar on Mac OS"
stack scrolls up to hide the menu group and
menu appears in mac menubar

type 'Set the editMenus of this stack to true' into the msg box
stack scrolls back down to show menu group and
the menu bar resets ie. without my menu

Type 'hide group "MenuBar 1"' into the msg box
menu group disappears

hereafter, setting the editMenus to false puts the menu in the menu bar,
setting it to true takes it out again. But no scrolling. This is what 
I'd expect, I think, but it seems like setting the editMenus to true, 
as you suggest, prevents the menu appearing in the mac menubar. It's 
hiding the group and setting editMenus to false that seems to get the 
menu in the menubar without scrolling the stack.....

Have I go the wrong end of the stick?

Cheers, Mark



On 30 Dec 2004, at 06:56, Chipp Walters wrote:

> 1) set the editmenus of the stack to true
> 2) hide the menu group
>


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Dec 30 07:26:19 2004
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 04:26:19 -0800
Subject: Menu woes
In-Reply-To: <79.3bcbf7bb.2f04b007@aol.com>
References: <79.3bcbf7bb.2f04b007@aol.com>
Message-ID: <41D3F3EB.5080507@fourthworld.com>

SimPLsol at aol.com wrote:
> I'd like to see the menus be separate from the stack.
>      If the menus are separate, one can update them easily. This is important 
> if you (or your customers) have stacks with a lot of data and you want to add 
> or change menus and/or menuItems. This is really simple if you can store the 
> menu code in a plugin.

That's how I do most of my apps now:  The scripts in the menu bar are 
often empty, and I have a generic menuPick handler in a library that 
traps those and does what's needed.

This also makes it easy to add contextual menus, since you don't need to 
do any additional scripting for those items.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  __________________________________________________
  Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev

From capellan2000 at yahoo.com  Thu Dec 30 08:57:29 2004
From: capellan2000 at yahoo.com (Alejandro Tejada)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 05:57:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: getting the Real name of CDs from RR
In-Reply-To: <20041230065720.D546A93012C@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <20041230135729.16469.qmail@web40507.mail.yahoo.com>

on Wed, 29 Dec 2004 
Ken Ray wrote:

> You could switch to that drive and get a "dir" under
> shell(); the first line
> says "Volume in drive <letter> is <name>", and you
> can parse it from that.
> 
> Something like this:
> 
> on mouseUp
>  answer GetCDName("D:")
> end mouseUp
> 
> function GetCDName pLetter
>   set the hideConsoleWindows to true
>   put shell(pLetter & " & dir") into temp
>   return last word of line 1 of temp
> end GetCDName

Hi Ken,

Thanks a lot for this function!!! :-)

Now i suspect that this machine has
a damaged installation of Windows 98
because this code does not produce
any result... 

I try the same commands from the DOS command promt
and the last words of line 1 effectively
contains the name of the CD.

Is Time to reinstall the OS? or
Could i troubleshoot this machine in
another way?

Thanks again.

Happy New Year!! :-))

al



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From fde101 at fjrhome.net  Thu Dec 30 10:24:27 2004
From: fde101 at fjrhome.net (Frank D. Engel, Jr.)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 10:24:27 -0500
Subject: more SQL problems
In-Reply-To: <BF1D3274-59CB-11D9-A5EC-000A956C462A@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <9d58de7d04122908095d28ae8a@mail.gmail.com>
	<3E18B111-59BB-11D9-B682-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>
	<C5146F06-59BC-11D9-B682-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>
	<9d58de7d04122910025c0ce528@mail.gmail.com>
	<BF1D3274-59CB-11D9-A5EC-000A956C462A@mangomultimedia.com>
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You can also use the revNumberOfRecords function to this end.

On Dec 29, 2004, at 1:59 PM, Trevor DeVore wrote:

>
> On Dec 29, 2004, at 10:02 AM, docmann wrote:
>
>> You folks are fantastic! It works exactly as intended now. :)
>>
>> Geesh, I still don't know how I got so far off track in attempting
>> this <shaking  and pounding head on desk vigorously> and clearly need
>> to revisit the documentation. :(
>>
>> On a side note, I intentionally entered data that I knew did not
>> exist, just to see what would happen and got a "revdberr,invalid
>> column number" message. Is there a proper way to test and/or trap
>> these types of errors when a record doesn't exist?
>>
>> Again, thank you very VERY much!
>
> Try this:
>
> if revCurrentRecordIsLast(q) = false then
> 	revMoveToFirstRecord q
> 	put revDatabaseColumnNamed(q, "City") into field "myCity"
> 	put revDatabaseColumnNamed(q, "State") into field "myState"
> 	put revDatabaseColumnNamed(q, "Zip") into field "myZip"
> else
> 	answer "no record"
> end if
>
>
> -- 
> Trevor DeVore
> Blue Mango Multimedia
> trevor at mangomultimedia.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
>
- -----------------------------------------------------------
Frank D. Engel, Jr.  <fde101 at fjrhome.net>

$ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
$ true | cat /usr/manual | grep "John 3:16"
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten 
Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have 
everlasting life.
$
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From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Thu Dec 30 10:34:23 2004
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 15:34:23 +0000
Subject: Way for browser to talk to Rev?
In-Reply-To: <4F384E28-590B-11D9-AAF7-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <BDF9D07F.269FD%benr_mc@cogapp.com>

on 28/12/04 8:01 pm, Dar Scott wrote
> On Dec 28, 2004, at 9:40 AM, RGould8 at aol.com wrote:
> 
>> I know that I can use Revolution to talk to Applescript to pass
>> values/commands to IE and Safari via their "Do Applescript" calls, but is
>> there a method of going the other way?   (For instance, pressing a button on
>> a web-page which sends a Javascript call back to Revolution that can be
>> picked up?)
> 
> Maybe the Revolution app can be a simple HTTP server on a weird port.
> A form can be sent.  A problem might be in staying on the same page and
> not expecting a new page.

I think Dar's got the best way.  Have the Rev stack accept connections on
some obscure port; then the browser can make http calls to it on that port.
If it's all running on the same machine, use the address 'localhost' or
'127.0.0.1'.  If you want to stay on the same page, you can use an iframe;
javascript (or even a simple link with a 'target' attribute) can change the
src of the iframe to the results of a call to Revolution.  Either you could
just use this to display the result to the user, or javascript could read
back the text from the iframe in order to further process it.

 
  Ben Rubinstein               |  Email: benr_mc at cogapp.com
  Cognitive Applications Ltd   |  Phone: +44 (0)1273-821600
  http://www.cogapp.com        |  Fax  : +44 (0)1273-728866

  


From bill at bluewatermaritime.com  Thu Dec 30 10:58:52 2004
From: bill at bluewatermaritime.com (Bill)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 11:58:52 -0400
Subject: revNumberOfRecords function for avoiding no record found errors
In-Reply-To: <E4EB794B-5A76-11D9-A93A-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>
Message-ID: <BDF99DFC.71E1%bill@bluewatermaritime.com>

Can you show an example?


On 12/30/04 11:24 AM, "Frank D. Engel, Jr." <fde101 at fjrhome.net> wrote:

> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> You can also use the revNumberOfRecords function to this end.
> 
> On Dec 29, 2004, at 1:59 PM, Trevor DeVore wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On Dec 29, 2004, at 10:02 AM, docmann wrote:
>> 
>>> You folks are fantastic! It works exactly as intended now. :)
>>> 
>>> Geesh, I still don't know how I got so far off track in attempting
>>> this <shaking  and pounding head on desk vigorously> and clearly need
>>> to revisit the documentation. :(
>>> 
>>> On a side note, I intentionally entered data that I knew did not
>>> exist, just to see what would happen and got a "revdberr,invalid
>>> column number" message. Is there a proper way to test and/or trap
>>> these types of errors when a record doesn't exist?
>>> 
>>> Again, thank you very VERY much!
>> 
>> Try this:
>> 
>> if revCurrentRecordIsLast(q) = false then
>> revMoveToFirstRecord q
>> put revDatabaseColumnNamed(q, "City") into field "myCity"
>> put revDatabaseColumnNamed(q, "State") into field "myState"
>> put revDatabaseColumnNamed(q, "Zip") into field "myZip"
>> else
>> answer "no record"
>> end if
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Trevor DeVore
>> Blue Mango Multimedia
>> trevor at mangomultimedia.com
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>> 
>> 
> - -----------------------------------------------------------
> Frank D. Engel, Jr.  <fde101 at fjrhome.net>
> 
> $ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
> $ true | cat /usr/manual | grep "John 3:16"
> John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten
> Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have
> everlasting life.
> $
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> 
> 
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> 

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From douez at wanadoo.fr  Thu Dec 30 10:59:51 2004
From: douez at wanadoo.fr (thierry)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 16:59:51 +0100
Subject: getting the Real name of CDs from RR
In-Reply-To: <20041230135729.16469.qmail@web40507.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20041230065720.D546A93012C@mail.runrev.com>
 <20041230135729.16469.qmail@web40507.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1292865283.20041230165951@wanadoo.fr>

Hi,

AT> Ken Ray wrote:
>> on mouseUp
>>  answer GetCDName("D:")
>> end mouseUp
>> 
>> function GetCDName pLetter
>>   set the hideConsoleWindows to true
>>   put shell(pLetter & " & dir") into temp
>>   return last word of line 1 of temp
>> end GetCDName

AT> Hi Ken,
AT> I try the same commands from the DOS command promt
AT> and the last words of line 1 effectively
AT> contains the name of the CD.

AT> Is Time to reinstall the OS? or
AT> Could i troubleshoot this machine in
AT> another way?

Well, some good news just before the New Year :-)

In fact, it's not line 1 but line 2 !!!!!

i just tested it on Win98 too.

Best regards, 
thierry



From fde101 at fjrhome.net  Thu Dec 30 11:00:17 2004
From: fde101 at fjrhome.net (Frank D. Engel, Jr.)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 11:00:17 -0500
Subject: Menu woes
In-Reply-To: <41D3F3EB.5080507@fourthworld.com>
References: <79.3bcbf7bb.2f04b007@aol.com> <41D3F3EB.5080507@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <E692B7FC-5A7B-11D9-A93A-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>

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I suspect the easiest way to "fix" the menu issue and maintain some of 
the current flexibility would be:

1. Keep the system as it is, for the most part.
2. When using a group as the Mac menu bar, do not scroll the stack.
3. When using a group as a menubar in the window, scroll and enlarge 
the stack.  Now the rect of the card (for ex.) would have a negative 
minimum vertical coordinate, since the menus would stop before reaching 
zero.

Of course, this would break backward compatibility somewhat, but not 
nearly so much as some of the other proposals, and yet this would fix 
some of the other problems which have been mentioned here...

On Dec 30, 2004, at 7:26 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> SimPLsol at aol.com wrote:
>> I'd like to see the menus be separate from the stack.
>>      If the menus are separate, one can update them easily. This is 
>> important if you (or your customers) have stacks with a lot of data 
>> and you want to add or change menus and/or menuItems. This is really 
>> simple if you can store the menu code in a plugin.
>
> That's how I do most of my apps now:  The scripts in the menu bar are 
> often empty, and I have a generic menuPick handler in a library that 
> traps those and does what's needed.
>
> This also makes it easy to add contextual menus, since you don't need 
> to do any additional scripting for those items.
>
> --
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World Media Corporation
>  __________________________________________________
>  Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
>
- -----------------------------------------------------------
Frank D. Engel, Jr.  <fde101 at fjrhome.net>

$ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
$ true | cat /usr/manual | grep "John 3:16"
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten 
Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have 
everlasting life.
$
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From fde101 at fjrhome.net  Thu Dec 30 11:04:01 2004
From: fde101 at fjrhome.net (Frank D. Engel, Jr.)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 11:04:01 -0500
Subject: revNumberOfRecords function for avoiding no record found errors
In-Reply-To: <BDF99DFC.71E1%bill@bluewatermaritime.com>
References: <BDF99DFC.71E1%bill@bluewatermaritime.com>
Message-ID: <6BA9ABDA-5A7C-11D9-A93A-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>

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if revNumberOfRecords(q) > 0 then
   revMoveToFirstRecord q
   put revDatabaseColumnNamed(q, "City") into field "myCity"
   put revDatabaseColumnNamed(q, "State") into field "myState"
   put revDatabaseColumnNamed(q, "Zip") into field "myZip"
else
   answer "no record"
end if


On Dec 30, 2004, at 10:58 AM, Bill wrote:

> Can you show an example?
>
>
> On 12/30/04 11:24 AM, "Frank D. Engel, Jr." <fde101 at fjrhome.net> wrote:
>
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>> Hash: SHA1
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>> You can also use the revNumberOfRecords function to this end.
>>
>> On Dec 29, 2004, at 1:59 PM, Trevor DeVore wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On Dec 29, 2004, at 10:02 AM, docmann wrote:
>>>
>>>> You folks are fantastic! It works exactly as intended now. :)
>>>>
>>>> Geesh, I still don't know how I got so far off track in attempting
>>>> this <shaking  and pounding head on desk vigorously> and clearly 
>>>> need
>>>> to revisit the documentation. :(
>>>>
>>>> On a side note, I intentionally entered data that I knew did not
>>>> exist, just to see what would happen and got a "revdberr,invalid
>>>> column number" message. Is there a proper way to test and/or trap
>>>> these types of errors when a record doesn't exist?
>>>>
>>>> Again, thank you very VERY much!
>>>
>>> Try this:
>>>
>>> if revCurrentRecordIsLast(q) = false then
>>> revMoveToFirstRecord q
>>> put revDatabaseColumnNamed(q, "City") into field "myCity"
>>> put revDatabaseColumnNamed(q, "State") into field "myState"
>>> put revDatabaseColumnNamed(q, "Zip") into field "myZip"
>>> else
>>> answer "no record"
>>> end if
>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Trevor DeVore
>>> Blue Mango Multimedia
>>> trevor at mangomultimedia.com
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-revolution mailing list
>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>>>
>>>
>> - -----------------------------------------------------------
>> Frank D. Engel, Jr.  <fde101 at fjrhome.net>
>>
>> $ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
>> $ true | cat /usr/manual | grep "John 3:16"
>> John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten
>> Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have
>> everlasting life.
>> $
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>> Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin)
>>
>> iD8DBQFB1B2s7aqtWrR9cZoRAgr5AJ9KXCrLyQblp4TrjSAWqo0caLpZuACfQ+t3
>> 4y6Q1fH8smVqqrnoJrfQgNE=
>> =wo6c
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>>
>>
>>
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>>
>
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>            )_)  )_)  )_)
>           )___))___))___)\
>          )____)____)_____)\\
>        _____|____|____|____\\\__
> -------\                   /--------- http://www.bluewatermaritime.com
>  ^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>   ^^^^      ^^^^     ^^^    ^^
>        ^^^^      ^^^
>
> 24 hour cell: (787) 378-6190
> fax: (787) 809-8426
>
> Blue Water Maritime
> P.O. Box 91
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>
>
>
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> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
>
- -----------------------------------------------------------
Frank D. Engel, Jr.  <fde101 at fjrhome.net>

$ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
$ true | cat /usr/manual | grep "John 3:16"
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten 
Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have 
everlasting life.
$
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Dec 30 11:06:37 2004
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 08:06:37 -0800
Subject: Menu woes
In-Reply-To: <E692B7FC-5A7B-11D9-A93A-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>
References: <79.3bcbf7bb.2f04b007@aol.com> <41D3F3EB.5080507@fourthworld.com>
	<E692B7FC-5A7B-11D9-A93A-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>
Message-ID: <41D4278D.6010701@fourthworld.com>

Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote:
> I suspect the easiest way to "fix" the menu issue and maintain some of 
> the current flexibility would be:
> 
> 1. Keep the system as it is, for the most part.
> 2. When using a group as the Mac menu bar, do not scroll the stack.
> 3. When using a group as a menubar in the window, scroll and enlarge the 
> stack.  Now the rect of the card (for ex.) would have a negative minimum 
> vertical coordinate, since the menus would stop before reaching zero.
> 
> Of course, this would break backward compatibility somewhat, but not 
> nearly so much as some of the other proposals, and yet this would fix 
> some of the other problems which have been mentioned here...

I don't understand:  as I read that it seems to suggest that all we do 
is switch the scrolling from Mac to all other OSes, so that instead of 
the scroll taking place on 2.4% of computers it takes place on 97.6%.

Remember that having the menubar be part of the window rather than 
detached is how every modern OS works except Mac.  We could debate the 
efficacy of that (Tog has a lot to say in favor of a detached menu bar), 
but it won't likely change how Windows, GNOME, KDE, X11, and all other 
non-Mac windowing systems work.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  __________________________________________________
  Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev

From douez at wanadoo.fr  Thu Dec 30 11:33:09 2004
From: douez at wanadoo.fr (thierry Douez)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 17:33:09 +0100
Subject: getting the Real name of CDs from RR
Message-ID: <37291780.20041230173309@wanadoo.fr>

Hi,

AT> Ken Ray wrote:
>> on mouseUp
>>  answer GetCDName("D:")
>> end mouseUp
>> 
>> function GetCDName pLetter
>>   set the hideConsoleWindows to true
>>   put shell(pLetter & " & dir") into temp
>>   return last word of line 1 of temp
>> end GetCDName

AT> Hi Ken,
AT> I try the same commands from the DOS command promt
AT> and the last words of line 1 effectively
AT> contains the name of the CD.

AT> Is Time to reinstall the OS? or
AT> Could i troubleshoot this machine in
AT> another way?

Well, some good news just before the New Year :-)

In fact, it's not line 1 but line 2 !!!!!

i just tested it on Win98 too.

Best regards, 
thierry



From frank at backtalk.com  Thu Dec 30 12:43:25 2004
From: frank at backtalk.com (Frank Leahy)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 17:43:25 +0000
Subject: Menu woes
In-Reply-To: <20041230170011.393C293008C@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20041230170011.393C293008C@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <4E9EF936-5A8A-11D9-A88F-000A9580FCCE@backtalk.com>

On Dec 30, 2004, at 5:00 PM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com 
wrote:

> From: Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com>
> Subject: Re: Menu woes
> To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Message-ID: <41D4278D.6010701 at fourthworld.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote:
>> I suspect the easiest way to "fix" the menu issue and maintain some of
>> the current flexibility would be:
>>
>> 1. Keep the system as it is, for the most part.
>> 2. When using a group as the Mac menu bar, do not scroll the stack.
>> 3. When using a group as a menubar in the window, scroll and enlarge 
>> the
>> stack.  Now the rect of the card (for ex.) would have a negative 
>> minimum
>> vertical coordinate, since the menus would stop before reaching zero.
>>
>> Of course, this would break backward compatibility somewhat, but not
>> nearly so much as some of the other proposals, and yet this would fix
>> some of the other problems which have been mentioned here...
>
> I don't understand:  as I read that it seems to suggest that all we do
> is switch the scrolling from Mac to all other OSes, so that instead of
> the scroll taking place on 2.4% of computers it takes place on 97.6%.
>
> Remember that having the menubar be part of the window rather than
> detached is how every modern OS works except Mac.  We could debate the
> efficacy of that (Tog has a lot to say in favor of a detached menu 
> bar),
> but it won't likely change how Windows, GNOME, KDE, X11, and all other
> non-Mac windowing systems work.

Having the menu area a separate section of the stack, just like the 
window title is, would solve the problem.  No scrolling problems, no 
resizing problems.

By the way, Tog did that "research" he keeps talking about at Apple 
pre-1986 (when I got there), on a 9 1/2 inch original Mac screen.  His 
results aren't applicable to 1) larger screens, 2) multiple monitors, 
or 3) doing fine detail work in programs such as photoshop which use 
tearoff menus to advantage, allowing you to move the menu close to the 
area you're working in.

-- Frank


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Thu Dec 30 13:17:46 2004
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 12:17:46 -0600
Subject: getting the Real name of CDs from RR
In-Reply-To: <37291780.20041230173309@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <BDF9A26A.C9AD%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 12/30/04 10:33 AM, "thierry Douez" <douez at wanadoo.fr> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> AT> Ken Ray wrote:
>>> on mouseUp
>>>  answer GetCDName("D:")
>>> end mouseUp
>>> 
>>> function GetCDName pLetter
>>>   set the hideConsoleWindows to true
>>>   put shell(pLetter & " & dir") into temp
>>>   return last word of line 1 of temp
>>> end GetCDName
> 
> AT> Hi Ken,
> AT> I try the same commands from the DOS command promt
> AT> and the last words of line 1 effectively
> AT> contains the name of the CD.
> 
> AT> Is Time to reinstall the OS? or
> AT> Could i troubleshoot this machine in
> AT> another way?
> 
> Well, some good news just before the New Year :-)
> 
> In fact, it's not line 1 but line 2 !!!!!

Really? It's line 1 for me (Win XP Pro). What version of Windows are you
using, and what's on line 1?

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Dec 30 13:20:53 2004
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 10:20:53 -0800
Subject: Menu woes
In-Reply-To: <4E9EF936-5A8A-11D9-A88F-000A9580FCCE@backtalk.com>
References: <20041230170011.393C293008C@mail.runrev.com>
	<4E9EF936-5A8A-11D9-A88F-000A9580FCCE@backtalk.com>
Message-ID: <41D44705.4060906@fourthworld.com>

Frank Leahy wrote:
> On Dec 30, 2004, at 5:00 PM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com wrote:
> 
>> From: Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com>
>> Subject: Re: Menu woes
>> To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
>> Message-ID: <41D4278D.6010701 at fourthworld.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>
>> Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote:
>>
>>> I suspect the easiest way to "fix" the menu issue and maintain some of
>>> the current flexibility would be:
>>>
>>> 1. Keep the system as it is, for the most part.
>>> 2. When using a group as the Mac menu bar, do not scroll the stack.
>>> 3. When using a group as a menubar in the window, scroll and enlarge the
>>> stack.  Now the rect of the card (for ex.) would have a negative minimum
>>> vertical coordinate, since the menus would stop before reaching zero.
>>>
>>> Of course, this would break backward compatibility somewhat, but not
>>> nearly so much as some of the other proposals, and yet this would fix
>>> some of the other problems which have been mentioned here...
>>
>>
>> I don't understand:  as I read that it seems to suggest that all we do
>> is switch the scrolling from Mac to all other OSes, so that instead of
>> the scroll taking place on 2.4% of computers it takes place on 97.6%.
>>
>> Remember that having the menubar be part of the window rather than
>> detached is how every modern OS works except Mac.  We could debate the
>> efficacy of that (Tog has a lot to say in favor of a detached menu bar),
>> but it won't likely change how Windows, GNOME, KDE, X11, and all other
>> non-Mac windowing systems work.
> 
> 
> Having the menu area a separate section of the stack, just like the 
> window title is, would solve the problem.  No scrolling problems, no 
> resizing problems.

But the OS takes care of the title bar, while Rev would need to invent a 
new type of object to embed a menu bar on a stack but outside of the 
stack's card.

This might be a good case for viewer objects, a type of object in 
RADBuilder (formerly Gain Momentum) that lets you display any stack in a 
specified rectangle within any other stack. (There once was a Bugzilla 
request for this, but alas I can no longer find it).

But whether the menubar is on the card or in a viewer, the total height 
of the window still needs to be adjusted to accomodated it. What should 
querrying the stack height return?  Wouldn't it be different from the 
card height on Win as it is on Mac now?

I love my Mac and use it for most of the development cycle, but I'm also 
first in line to recognize marketshare position and contain efforts to 
deal with any anomalies unique to it to that camp.

But more to the point, consider the interface Chipp was building that 
started this thread:  he posted because he wanted to include controls 
for the main window in the menu bar region; the proposed mechanism would 
make that impossible, while it was simple for him to finish it with the 
current mechanism in just two lines.

If he wanted to have the menubar completely separate from all other 
controls that already happens automatically; he wouldn't have needed to 
post, and we wouldn't be having this conversation exploring alternatives. ;)

> By the way, Tog did that "research" he keeps talking about at Apple 
> pre-1986 (when I got there), on a 9 1/2 inch original Mac screen.  His 
> results aren't applicable to 1) larger screens, 2) multiple monitors, or 
> 3) doing fine detail work in programs such as photoshop which use 
> tearoff menus to advantage, allowing you to move the menu close to the 
> area you're working in.

True, but the core question is whether the "backstop" effect of the 
monitor bounds offsets the distance-to-target cost.

Sadly, I can find no recent research published either Microsoft or Apple 
on the subject.  It seems the days when OS vendors demonstrated the 
efficacy of their designs by publishing their research methodologies are 
long gone, leaving the door open to accusations that usability research 
teams have been replaced by graphic artists.

But you may well be right, and perhaps there is a good argument for 
Apple to catch up to all other OSes with regard to menu bar placement. 
Good luck getting them to consider such a change. ;)

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  Developer of WebMerge: Publish any database on any Web site
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com

From kray at sonsothunder.com  Thu Dec 30 13:30:12 2004
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 12:30:12 -0600
Subject: getting the Real name of CDs from RR
In-Reply-To: <20041230135729.16469.qmail@web40507.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BDF9A554.C9B3%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 12/30/04 7:57 AM, "Alejandro Tejada" <capellan2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> on Wed, 29 Dec 2004
> Ken Ray wrote:
> 
>> You could switch to that drive and get a "dir" under
>> shell(); the first line
>> says "Volume in drive <letter> is <name>", and you
>> can parse it from that.
>> 
>> Something like this:
>> 
>> on mouseUp
>>  answer GetCDName("D:")
>> end mouseUp
>> 
>> function GetCDName pLetter
>>   set the hideConsoleWindows to true
>>   put shell(pLetter & " & dir") into temp
>>   return last word of line 1 of temp
>> end GetCDName
> 
> Hi Ken,
> 
> Thanks a lot for this function!!! :-)
> 
> Now i suspect that this machine has
> a damaged installation of Windows 98
> because this code does not produce
> any result... 

Sorry, you can't concatenate commands through shell() in Win98 AFAIK; so
you'd need to do this as a batch file:

function GetCDName pLetter
  set the hideConsoleWindows to true
  if the shellCommand is "cmd" then
    put shell(pLetter & " & dir") into temp
    if line 1 of temp is empty then delete line 1 of temp
    return last word of line 1 of temp
  else
    -- Win98, etc.
    put pLetter & cr & "dir" into url("file:c:/temp.bat")
    put shell("c:\temp.bat") into tResult
    delete file "c:/temp.bat"
    return last word of line 6 of temp
  end if
end GetCDName

Try that and let me know if it works,

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From katir at hindu.org  Thu Dec 30 13:41:18 2004
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 08:41:18 -1000
Subject: CGI Failures --lineoffset
In-Reply-To: <BDF8EEA3.C8A7%kray@sonsothunder.com>
References: <BDF8EEA3.C8A7%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <646407EE-5A92-11D9-8F73-000A959D0AC6@hindu.org>

I tried  that... it didn't  work.. I tried just about everything... the 
files are created and saved in BBEdit... I have "Unix Line endlines" 
on... which normally works... (my remote team players who are command 
line junkies always bark at me when I upload files with mac line 
endings... so I've gotten used to trying to make sure we are getting 
char(10 as end lines.

replace numToChar (10) with numToChar (13) in tTemplate, which is what  
I do  when I read a file in from a remote server

I tried the opposite.

replace numToChar (13) with numToChar (10) in tTemplate,

I tried setting the line endings to Mac in BBEdit on saving text files. 
then

> set the lineDel to numToChar(13)

but that didn't work either. In every case, Revolution as a CGI see the 
file as a single, 1 line document.

If I go terminal and VI on the file... I see caret capital M:

^M

where endlines should be... and the file is not wrapping at all in 
VI... no matter how I save it in BBEdit.

I'm stumped... mmm. let me try binfile  and see if that helps.

Sivakatirswami




On Dec 29, 2004, at 7:30 PM, Ken Ray wrote:

> Did you try:
>
>   set the lineDel to numToChar(13)
>
> ?? I've had issues with line delimitereds under CGI scripts...
>


From BNZ2 at CDC.GOV  Thu Dec 30 13:45:34 2004
From: BNZ2 at CDC.GOV (Lynch, Jonathan)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 13:45:34 -0500
Subject: CGI Failures --lineoffset
Message-ID: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A9469E85@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>

How about replacing "^M" with linefeed? 

Even if the line breaks are not supposed to come through as ^M, if they
do, and the problem cannot fixed any other way, maybe that would be a
workaround?

-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of
Sivakatirswami
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 1:41 PM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: CGI Failures --lineoffset

I tried  that... it didn't  work.. I tried just about everything... the 
files are created and saved in BBEdit... I have "Unix Line endlines" 
on... which normally works... (my remote team players who are command 
line junkies always bark at me when I upload files with mac line 
endings... so I've gotten used to trying to make sure we are getting 
char(10 as end lines.

replace numToChar (10) with numToChar (13) in tTemplate, which is what  
I do  when I read a file in from a remote server

I tried the opposite.

replace numToChar (13) with numToChar (10) in tTemplate,

I tried setting the line endings to Mac in BBEdit on saving text files. 
then

> set the lineDel to numToChar(13)

but that didn't work either. In every case, Revolution as a CGI see the 
file as a single, 1 line document.

If I go terminal and VI on the file... I see caret capital M:

^M

where endlines should be... and the file is not wrapping at all in 
VI... no matter how I save it in BBEdit.

I'm stumped... mmm. let me try binfile  and see if that helps.

Sivakatirswami




On Dec 29, 2004, at 7:30 PM, Ken Ray wrote:

> Did you try:
>
>   set the lineDel to numToChar(13)
>
> ?? I've had issues with line delimitereds under CGI scripts...
>

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From chipp at chipp.com  Thu Dec 30 14:28:41 2004
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 11:28:41 -0800
Subject: Menu woes....
In-Reply-To: <3758E83C-5A58-11D9-AD22-000D93C19756@maseurope.net>
References: <20041230065658.E7FFE93010F@mail.runrev.com>
	<3758E83C-5A58-11D9-AD22-000D93C19756@maseurope.net>
Message-ID: <41D456E9.5060208@chipp.com>



Mark Smith wrote:
> Chipp, is this for real? I'm confused. To walk through what I've just done:
> 
> Create new mainstack
> 
> Use Menu Builder to create a new menu "MenuBar 1"
> the menu group appears in the top left of the stack
> 
> check "Set as menu bar on Mac OS"
> stack scrolls up to hide the menu group and
> menu appears in mac menubar
> 
> type 'Set the editMenus of this stack to true' into the msg box
> stack scrolls back down to show menu group and
> the menu bar resets ie. without my menu
> 
> Type 'hide group "MenuBar 1"' into the msg box
> menu group disappears
> 
> hereafter, setting the editMenus to false puts the menu in the menu bar,
> setting it to true takes it out again. But no scrolling. This is what 
> I'd expect, I think, but it seems like setting the editMenus to true, as 
> you suggest, prevents the menu appearing in the mac menubar. It's hiding 
> the group and setting editMenus to false that seems to get the menu in 
> the menubar without scrolling the stack.....
> 
> Have I go the wrong end of the stick?

Mark,
After you type 'hide grp Menubar1" into msg, then go to the tool palette 
and choose the browse tool (now the pointer) and you should see your 
mentubar inserted. Let me know if this doesn't work.

best,

Chipp


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From katir at hindu.org  Thu Dec 30 14:38:47 2004
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 09:38:47 -1000
Subject: CGI Failures --lineoffset
In-Reply-To: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A9469E85@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
References: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A9469E85@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
Message-ID: <6C95B991-5A9A-11D9-8F73-000A959D0AC6@hindu.org>

harumph... I had left a line uncommented and was generating the build 
number! (1)

OK, Ken's simple solution:

set the linedelimiter to numToChar(13)

does work..

Still there is a mystery here. I'm getting char(13) as a line ending in 
that file whether I save in BBEdit with Unix Line ends or Mac Line 
ends, and if I save it with Unix Line endings and load the file with

put url "binfile:some file"

  I *still* get char(13) as line endings...

So, unless there was some subtle upgrade to dealing with line endings 
on a mac, between engine 2.5 and 2.6.1, this is looking now like a Mac 
OSX or BBEdit issue...

Well, at least I was able to proceed, and now have a functional 
"mod_rev_include"  that will handle any:

<!--#include virtual="/ssi/foo_include_chunk.html" -->

it finds in the templates loaded by CGI's (smile)

  I'll have to futz with this a bit when i check it in to the linux 
box... most likely we won't need that line at all--Interarchy seems to 
be solid about translating uploads to char(10)

case closed for now.

Thanks
Sivakatirswami



On Dec 30, 2004, at 8:45 AM, Lynch, Jonathan wrote:

> How about replacing "^M" with linefeed?
>
> Even if the line breaks are not supposed to come through as ^M, if they
> do, and the problem cannot fixed any other way, maybe that would be a
> workaround?


From RGould8 at aol.com  Thu Dec 30 15:26:58 2004
From: RGould8 at aol.com (RGould8 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 15:26:58 EST
Subject: Way for browser to talk to Rev?
Message-ID: <149.3bd60e8b.2f05be92@aol.com>


In a message dated 12/30/04 10:40:03 AM, benr_mc at cogapp.com writes:


> I think Dar's got the best way.? Have the Rev stack accept connections on
> some obscure port; then the browser can make http calls to it on that port.
> If it's all running on the same machine, use the address 'localhost' or
> '127.0.0.1'.? If you want to stay on the same page, you can use an iframe;
> javascript (or even a simple link with a 'target' attribute) can change the
> src of the iframe to the results of a call to Revolution.? Either you could
> just use this to display the result to the user, or javascript could read
> back the text from the iframe in order to further process it.
> 

ok - - - I'm going to give that a try.   I know how to get Rev to listen to 
ports, but I'm a little rusty on the 127.0.0.1 technique on the javascript 
side.   

So if I have Rev listening to 127.0.0.1 port 1986, and I don't want the ahref 
to go to a new page, is the only way to accomplish this to create an 
invisible iFrame with a different target name?

<a href="127.0.0.1:1986" target="invisibleframe">Click me to talk to Rev</a>

That type of thing?

From sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de  Thu Dec 30 15:36:00 2004
From: sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de (Wilhelm Sanke)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 21:36:00 +0100
Subject: Problem with field borderwidth 2
Message-ID: <41D466B0.2000107@hrz.uni-kassel.de>

On Wed, 29 Dec 2004, Dar Scott <dsc at swcp.com> wrote:

> I don't see this on OS X or XP with Revolution 2.5.
>
> I should clarify.
>
> I made some fields with 3D turned off and a border of 2.  I set the
> left and right so that I thought they should butt.  They do.
> (snip)
> Maybe you have focusBorder on?
>
> I have vague memory of a border-like thing that grows outward, but I
> forgot what it is.
>
> Dar


Thanks for the response.

Meanwhile I prepared a web page <http://www.sanke.org/RevTestPage> where 
you can inspect some screenshots and download a test stack (40 KB zipped).
The test stack was created with Rev 2.5 (engine version - the "version" 
- 2.6.2A2).

The problem of suddenly transparent borders of fields (with a 
borderwidth of two pixels) does not occur on MacOS, but only on 
WindowsXP (I did not test on Windows 98 or 2000). Different settings of 
"Focus Border" or "showfocusborder" do not solve the problem.

The four screenshots on "RevTestPage" show:

1. Four adjacent fields with a borderwidth of 2 using Revolution 2.1.2: 
The vertical and horizontal "lines" between the fields ar displayed 
correctly as they should.

2. Same stack with a borderwidth of 1 using Revolution 2.5: The lines 
are displayed correctly.

3. Here you can observe the problem. Same stack using Rev 2.5 and 
borderwidth 2. The field borders now are suddenly transparent and the 
underlying image can be seen through the transparent borders.

4. Same stack again with a borderwidth of 3: The border lines are there 
again.--


I still am interested to know if anybody can see this, too. It would be 
hard to believe that the problem/bug only appears on my XP computer - or 
only on a few with a similar configuration. But of course everything 
could be possible.

Regards,

Wilhelm Sanke
<www.sanke.org/MetaMedia>


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Dec 30 15:50:52 2004
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 12:50:52 -0800
Subject: Problem with field borderwidth 2
In-Reply-To: <41D466B0.2000107@hrz.uni-kassel.de>
References: <41D466B0.2000107@hrz.uni-kassel.de>
Message-ID: <41D46A2C.2060906@fourthworld.com>

Wilhelm Sanke wrote:
> I still am interested to know if anybody can see this, too. It would be 
> hard to believe that the problem/bug only appears on my XP computer - or 
> only on a few with a similar configuration. But of course everything 
> could be possible.

Welcome to XP.

Rev now supports native appearances for fields on XP when the field's 
default values are left in place (borderWidth set to 2).  So what your 
screen show at <http://www.sanke.org/RevTestPage/>  is showing is XP's 
rendering of the field border.

You'll see a similar thing on OS X: while the appearance differs from 
XP, when a field border is set to the default value of 2 OS routines are 
used to render the control instead of the engine's.

I think this should be overridable.  Standard and Rectangle style 
buttons also take on native appearances, but you can override this by 
specifying a backgroundColor.

Perhaps we need a Bugzilla request so that if the borderColor is set the 
OS no longer draws the control and it uses the engine's internal routines.

Please post the bug number after you log it so we can vote for that 
enhancement.

In the meantime a workaround is to set the style of the field to 
"shadow" instead of "rectangle" or "scrolling", and then to prevent the 
shadow from drawing set its shadowwidth to 0 (zero).  Shadow-style 
fields are always drawn by the engine, so you should get what you're 
after with those.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  __________________________________________________
  Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev

From BNZ2 at CDC.GOV  Thu Dec 30 16:03:06 2004
From: BNZ2 at CDC.GOV (Lynch, Jonathan)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 16:03:06 -0500
Subject: Question regarding arrays...
Message-ID: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A9469E89@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>

I thought I read in past postings that Rev did not support 3D arrays -
that it only supported up to 2D arrays.

This morning I tested that, and seemed to have no problem with 3D
arrays. I am sure I am just making an ignorant mistake - either in my
testing or in what I gathered from the postings I read - but could
someone clarify the issue?

Many thanks,

Jonathan

From webmaster at dreamscapesoftware.com  Thu Dec 30 16:09:00 2004
From: webmaster at dreamscapesoftware.com (Derek Bump)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 15:09:00 -0600
Subject: Problem with field borderwidth 2
References: <41D466B0.2000107@hrz.uni-kassel.de>
	<41D46A2C.2060906@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <001601c4eeb3$ca1dbe00$c007113f@DOWNSTAIRS>

> In the meantime a workaround is to set the style of the field to 
> "shadow" instead of "rectangle" or "scrolling", and then to prevent the 
> shadow from drawing set its shadowwidth to 0 (zero).  Shadow-style 
> fields are always drawn by the engine, so you should get what you're 
> after with those.

Another workaround is to set the LookAndFeel to Windows Emulated.
 

Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software
____________________________________________
Compress Images Easily with JPEGCompress
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com
 

From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Dec 30 16:18:55 2004
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 13:18:55 -0800
Subject: Question regarding arrays...
In-Reply-To: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A9469E89@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
References: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A9469E89@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
Message-ID: <41D470BF.8000107@fourthworld.com>

Lynch, Jonathan wrote:
> I thought I read in past postings that Rev did not support 3D arrays -
> that it only supported up to 2D arrays.
> 
> This morning I tested that, and seemed to have no problem with 3D
> arrays. I am sure I am just making an ignorant mistake - either in my
> testing or in what I gathered from the postings I read - but could
> someone clarify the issue?

The issue is with "2D" and "3D" nomenclature, which can be misleading 
when trying to understand working with arrays in Rev.

Rev currently uses associative arrays, which allow a string to be a 
label associated with a data element.

That label string can be numeric giving you ordered elements, and can 
can include commas to give you some of the convenience of 
multi-dimensional arrays.

Just remember it's always a string: myArray[1,2] is the same as 
myArray["1,2"].

Associative arrays are flexible, useful in a great many circumstances 
that indexed arrays might be harder to work with.

There is a request in Bugzilla for fully-dimensional indexed arrays, and 
that'll be nifty when it's there, but in the meantime hopefull 
associative arrays will continue doing what you need.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  __________________________________________________
  Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev

From cdunix at praevius.com  Thu Dec 30 13:09:15 2004
From: cdunix at praevius.com (cdunix at praevius.com)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 13:09:15 -0500
Subject: RunRev vs RealBasic
In-Reply-To: <mailman.0.1104436745.21546.use-revolution@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.0.1104436745.21546.use-revolution@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <1104430155.41d4444b73eef@webmail.praevius.com>

Hello All,

Being new to this list and a current RB user, I would like to see your reasons
for using the more expensive Runtime Enterprise environment vs. the RealBasic
Professional environment.  I am not concerned so much about "ease of use" as
much as I am about capabilities.  For instance, how does RunRev handle database
connectivity?  Does it do 3D or OpenGL rendering well?  Does it support a
"plug-in" architecture?  What level of system integration does the software
have;  any direct access to system APIs?

Thanks in advance,
Michael

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From BNZ2 at CDC.GOV  Thu Dec 30 16:28:10 2004
From: BNZ2 at CDC.GOV (Lynch, Jonathan)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 16:28:10 -0500
Subject: RunRev vs RealBasic
Message-ID: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A9469E8C@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>

Not being the expert that some of these folks are - I can only respond
with exactly what you do not want to hear - ease of use...

If I can create a program in an hour that does the same thing as a
program that takes 3 or 4 hours to create in another development
environment, then I will be very happy. Ease of use, time spent learning
the system, and time spent programming. Time is a commodity of great
value.

Cheers,

Jonathan

-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of
cdunix at praevius.com
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 1:09 PM
To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
Subject: RunRev vs RealBasic

Hello All,

Being new to this list and a current RB user, I would like to see your
reasons
for using the more expensive Runtime Enterprise environment vs. the
RealBasic
Professional environment.  I am not concerned so much about "ease of
use" as
much as I am about capabilities.  For instance, how does RunRev handle
database
connectivity?  Does it do 3D or OpenGL rendering well?  Does it support
a
"plug-in" architecture?  What level of system integration does the
software
have;  any direct access to system APIs?

Thanks in advance,
Michael

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From BNZ2 at CDC.GOV  Thu Dec 30 16:37:48 2004
From: BNZ2 at CDC.GOV (Lynch, Jonathan)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 16:37:48 -0500
Subject: Question regarding arrays...
Message-ID: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A9469E8D@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>

Interesting - thanks!

Associative arrays should be perfect for what I need.

What would be the advantage to indexed arrays over associative arrays -
are they more quickly accessed?

-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Richard
Gaskin
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 4:19 PM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: Question regarding arrays...

Lynch, Jonathan wrote:
> I thought I read in past postings that Rev did not support 3D arrays -
> that it only supported up to 2D arrays.
> 
> This morning I tested that, and seemed to have no problem with 3D
> arrays. I am sure I am just making an ignorant mistake - either in my
> testing or in what I gathered from the postings I read - but could
> someone clarify the issue?

The issue is with "2D" and "3D" nomenclature, which can be misleading 
when trying to understand working with arrays in Rev.

Rev currently uses associative arrays, which allow a string to be a 
label associated with a data element.

That label string can be numeric giving you ordered elements, and can 
can include commas to give you some of the convenience of 
multi-dimensional arrays.

Just remember it's always a string: myArray[1,2] is the same as 
myArray["1,2"].

Associative arrays are flexible, useful in a great many circumstances 
that indexed arrays might be harder to work with.

There is a request in Bugzilla for fully-dimensional indexed arrays, and

that'll be nifty when it's there, but in the meantime hopefull 
associative arrays will continue doing what you need.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  __________________________________________________
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From BNZ2 at CDC.GOV  Thu Dec 30 16:52:53 2004
From: BNZ2 at CDC.GOV (Lynch, Jonathan)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 16:52:53 -0500
Subject: Happy New Year...
Message-ID: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A9469E90@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>

I won't be at work for 3 days, so I just wanted to say Happy New Year to
all of you folks on this list...

This list has really helped me learn a great deal about a tool I have
found invaluable in my professional life.

So...

Happy New Year!

From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Dec 30 17:21:08 2004
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 14:21:08 -0800
Subject: RunRev vs RealBasic
In-Reply-To: <1104430155.41d4444b73eef@webmail.praevius.com>
References: <mailman.0.1104436745.21546.use-revolution@lists.runrev.com>
	<1104430155.41d4444b73eef@webmail.praevius.com>
Message-ID: <41D47F54.1000500@fourthworld.com>

cdunix at praevius.com wrote:
 > Hello All,
 >
 > Being new to this list and a current RB user, I would like
 > to see your reasons for using the more expensive Runtime
 > Enterprise environment vs. the RealBasic Professional
 > environment.  I am not concerned so much about "ease
 > of use" as much as I am about capabilities.  For instance,
 > how does RunRev handle database connectivity?  Does it do
 > 3D or OpenGL rendering well?  Does it support a "plug-in"
 > architecture?  What level of system integration does the
 > software have;  any direct access to system APIs?

I would happily do my best to help explain why MacWorld UK calls Rev 
"the Best Rapid Application Development tool on the market" (Dec 04, 
p55) if you'll kindly tell us a bit more about your interest in Rev.

A shotgun approach usually just turns into a pissing match, and there's 
plenty in the archives of both lists and elsewhere to feed appetites for 
that sort of thing.

So if you can describe why you're considering Rev we can better address 
your specific areas of interest.

Also, when you say you're not interested in "ease of use", does that 
also rule out productivity?  Greater productivity is probably the 
strongest argument for 4GLs over lower-level languages.  Osterhaut makes 
one of the most cogent arguments in favor of 4GLs -- c check out his 
seminal paper on the topic: <http://home.pacbell.net/ouster/scripting.html>.

After you've read that please describe why you're considering switching 
and we'll happly do out best to answer your questions.

You may also want to check out Rev's web site:  <http://www.runrev.com>, 
as most of the questions in your post are addressed there.  Your notions 
about how Rev's pricing compares to RealBASIC's can be clarified there 
as well, looking beyond the price of admission to total costs for 
upgrades, support, etc.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  __________________________________________________
  Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev

From alex at tweedly.net  Thu Dec 30 17:52:43 2004
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 22:52:43 +0000
Subject: Resize a stack window
Message-ID: <41D486BB.9010406@tweedly.net>

I have a stack window that I can't resize. Obviously, I've inadvertently
set some property, but can't figure out which one would stop me resizing
it (set height or set width still work - but I can't use the mouse to
click/drag an edge to resize it).

style is set to toplevel
resizable is true
live resizing is also true (shouldn't matter ?)
min width is 32, max width is 65535
min height is 32, max height is 65535

Anything else I need to change ? or should check ?

Thanks
-- Alex.



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From kresten.bjerg at psy.ku.dk  Thu Dec 30 18:33:06 2004
From: kresten.bjerg at psy.ku.dk (Kresten Bjerg)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 00:33:06 +0100
Subject: Oversize cards and jumping between 9 not-overlapping
Message-ID: <41D49032.7070008@psy.ku.dk>

Thanks to Frank for swift reply.
But the solution I search is not one of having 9 parallel cards, but to 
create a waterproof way to have the 9 windows be one ONE CARD!
Kresten
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From pevensen at siboneylg.com  Thu Dec 30 18:44:10 2004
From: pevensen at siboneylg.com (Peter T. Evensen)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 17:44:10 -0600
Subject: Creating a WP application
Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.2.20041230173104.03a9d3f8@exchange.slg.com>

I am looking at creating a simple word processor application with 
Revolution to replace a current, aging version done in something else.

As I understand it, and edit filed has the following limitations:

An edit field can only have one tab setting, unlike the current version 
which allows for tab settings per paragraph.

Only one text alignment can be used for the whole field, so each paragraph 
cannot be separately aligned like in the current version.

Has anyone made a more word processor-like edit field or come up with a 
work around to these limitations?

Thanks!

Peter T. Evensen
http://www.PetersRoadToHealth.com
888-682-4588
24-hour recorded info hotline: 1-800-624-7671 


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Dec 30 18:45:22 2004
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 17:45:22 -0600
Subject: RunRev vs RealBasic
In-Reply-To: <41D47F54.1000500@fourthworld.com>
References: <mailman.0.1104436745.21546.use-revolution@lists.runrev.com>
	<1104430155.41d4444b73eef@webmail.praevius.com>
	<41D47F54.1000500@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <41D49312.70605@hyperactivesw.com>

On 12/30/04 4:21 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> A shotgun approach usually just turns into a pissing match, and there's 
> plenty in the archives of both lists and elsewhere to feed appetites for 
> that sort of thing.

I hope somebody shotguns it though, because I sent him to the list to 
ask. :)

If anybody wants to make some broad, sweeping generalizations, that'd be 
great.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com

From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Dec 30 18:45:48 2004
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 17:45:48 -0600
Subject: Resize a stack window
In-Reply-To: <41D486BB.9010406@tweedly.net>
References: <41D486BB.9010406@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <41D4932C.50803@hyperactivesw.com>

On 12/30/04 4:52 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote:

> I have a stack window that I can't resize. Obviously, I've inadvertently
> set some property, but can't figure out which one would stop me resizing
> it (set height or set width still work - but I can't use the mouse to
> click/drag an edge to resize it).
> 
> style is set to toplevel
> resizable is true
> live resizing is also true (shouldn't matter ?)
> min width is 32, max width is 65535
> min height is 32, max height is 65535

set the resizable of this stack to true

??

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com

From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Dec 30 18:46:15 2004
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 15:46:15 -0800
Subject: Oversize cards and jumping between 9 not-overlapping
In-Reply-To: <41D49032.7070008@psy.ku.dk>
References: <41D49032.7070008@psy.ku.dk>
Message-ID: <41D49347.40308@fourthworld.com>

Kresten Bjerg wrote:
> Thanks to Frank for swift reply.
> But the solution I search is not one of having 9 parallel cards, but to 
> create a waterproof way to have the 9 windows be one ONE CARD!

You might want to consider using groups instead.

By definition, a card always fills the window, but a group can be of any 
size, and you can have as many of them as you like on a single card. 
They can even have their own scroll bars if needed.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  __________________________________________________
  Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev

From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Dec 30 18:47:16 2004
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 17:47:16 -0600
Subject: Resize a stack window
In-Reply-To: <41D4932C.50803@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <41D486BB.9010406@tweedly.net> <41D4932C.50803@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <41D49384.90209@hyperactivesw.com>

Whoops, never mind, I see you already checked the resizable. Sorry.

On 12/30/04 5:45 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> On 12/30/04 4:52 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote:
> 
>> I have a stack window that I can't resize. Obviously, I've inadvertently
>> set some property, but can't figure out which one would stop me resizing
>> it (set height or set width still work - but I can't use the mouse to
>> click/drag an edge to resize it).
>>
>> style is set to toplevel
>> resizable is true
>> live resizing is also true (shouldn't matter ?)
>> min width is 32, max width is 65535
>> min height is 32, max height is 65535
> 
> 
> set the resizable of this stack to true
> 
> ??
> 


-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com

From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Thu Dec 30 18:56:03 2004
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 23:56:03 +0000
Subject: Menu woes
In-Reply-To: <41D44705.4060906@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <BDFA4613.26A5A%benr_mc@cogapp.com>

I think there a bunch of different issues wrong (or in some cases, right but
not right for everyone) with how Rev handles menus, and have in the past
tried to describe a completely new architecture that could be introduced
without breaking compatibility at all, and addressing most of these at a
stroke.

But in practise, they are to a large degree separable.  The issue with stack
resizing is completely unrelated to the issue with moving menuitems around
between platforms; neither are related to the problems with metachars and
the limitations on menu decorations and shortcuts.

Ideally I would like it to be possible to define menus, instead of by
buttons, through some other properties/structures/objects that don't have a
position on a card.  Given such a system, it would be an opportunity to
break out of the resizing issue without losing compatibility.  However, I'd
really like to see the resizing issue fixed, and it can be fixed without
creating a new way of defining menus.

On the resizing issue which started this thread, I have torn out a lot of
hair, and wasted a great deal of time, on this one topic since I first
started working with MC/Rev.

- I agree with those who believe that documenting the strangeness is a
sticking plaster, and not an adequate alternative to fixing it; I have the
greatest respect for Jeanne's documentation, but setting up simple menus
should be straightforward, and in a tool like Rev it's not good enough to
say that when people trip over it they should eventually be able to find an
explanation for the behaviour.

- I believe I have come to an uneasy peace with the behaviour - but still
sometimes get caught; but I have to be careful not to disturb the peace, and
I don't think that Richard's suggestion that we should embrace the fear and
treat it as a learning experience addresses this.  When I want a learning
experience I'll use assembler; I use Rev because I want to find a highly
polished solution in the least amount of time.  Rev is so powerful that very
complex applications can be created remarkably quickly; in that context
screwing around with (or getting screwed around by) the menu madness can
quickly distort a project budget, as I know to my cost.

-  I don't think it's acceptable to say "in time you'll learn to define
menus before you do anything else" - that's a workaround.  Every other
aspect of the stack can be modified at will at any time in the development
process - and so can this, you just fall over the undesirable behaviour when
you do. 

In addition, there have always been bugs related to the resizing behaviour.
I'm given to understand that some of them have been there for ten years.  I
also know that new ones arise because of it - for example when metal support
was added on OS X.  And it creates another layer of gotchas for scripts such
as geometry or layout managers (and doubtless lots of other scripts).

Specifically on the resizing issue, it occurs on the Mac, because the scheme
requires the menus to be defined (as placed objects) in an area where for a
simple cross-platform case, it shouldn't exist on Windows.  I think that the
solution adopted was ingenious, but wrong - possibly a historical accident.
I'm guessing (I've no idea if this is true) that Metacard was originally
developed on some non-Mac platform, and existed there for some time before a
Mac engine was developed.  Thus it seemed like menus could be handled simply
by placing objects on the card, in a row at the top, which would have been
the least effort to implement, given that drop-down menu controls would in
fact be supported anywhere on the card.  Then when the port to Mac was made,
there was a hack to copy these menus into the system menubar - and scroll
the card up to hide them in the stack window.  Existing stacks would port to
Mac without any effort, and perhaps everyone cheered at this neat solution.

But I think that if one started from the beginning with the requirement to
support a menubar, which might appear at the top of the screen on Mac, at
the top of the parent window of an MDI app on Windows, or on at the top of
the stack window in other cases, one wouldn't start from there.

My suggestion is that if asked to make a group of menus (however that is
defined) be the menubar on Mac, that should happen in the obvious way, with
no resizing or scrolling; if (as they must be at present) the group of menus
are defined by a group of buttons, and the developer doesn't want them to be
visible, they can be hidden; there's no need to scroll the card to move them
out of sight.   On Windows or other platforms (I'm guessing the *nix GUIs
work like Windows, but I know nuffink) if a straightforward menubar is
required, the engine should draw this under the titlebar, before drawing the
stack.  In other words, the engine creates a menubar - obeying the user's
settings for menu size and styling - outside the 'content area' as seen by
the stack.

I suggest that all that is needed to implement this without losing
compatibility is some new stack properties
    macMenubar
    winMenubar
    ...etc

On Mac, if a stack has the 'macMenubar' set (and the 'menubar' empty) then
the system menubar is set as you'd expect, copying the definition from the
specified group (and there is no scrolling or resizing).

On Windows, if a stack has the 'winMenubar' set, then a menubar defined by
the specified group is displayed under the titlebar of the window, before
the content area starts.  There is no scrolling or resizing, all coordinates
are the same as they would be if the 'winMenubar' property is not set.  The
window itself may change size, but your stack knows nothing about the window
outside of the content area in which it is displayed - how big the titlebar
is, how wide the borders on each side, all of which can be adjusted by the
user - it doesn't need to know anything about the menubar and how it works.

On other platforms... err, I guess it's like Windows, but I don't know.
Maybe someone else can fill in.

The advantage on Mac would be that there is no resizing issue.  The
advantages on Windows would include supporting the user-defined appearance
settings which are currently ignored, and being a step closer to the
possibility of MDI apps.  A general advantage would be a mechanism that
makes it equally simple to have menubars on different platforms defined by
the same group, or different ones.

If a developer wanted to do something custom with the menubar on Windows -
like Chipp in this case - they could simply leave the 'winMenubar' empty,
and handle their menus as they do now.  On the Mac in that case, they might
hide the relevant group in a preOpenX handler.

Overall, the advantage is that simple things - a straightforward menubar -
would be simple, even if some more complex effects might be more complex.
That seems like the right way round.  And the change could be introduced
without any compatibility issues; existing stacks which set 'menubar' would
not set 'macMenubar' or 'winMenubar', and hence would get the existing
behaviour.  (I'd hope that documentation and IDE menu development assistants
would push the new scheme and deprecate the old, and hence new users should
never encounter the problems that we all have in the past.)

I'd be really interested in comments on this scheme.  I've shied away from
entering enhancement requests bugzilla about menus because I want so much.
But I actually think this could be quite a small request, and realy helpful;
so I'd like to know whether other people think it makes sense, and how it
could be improved.

  Ben Rubinstein               |  Email: benr_mc at cogapp.com
  Cognitive Applications Ltd   |  Phone: +44 (0)1273-821600
  http://www.cogapp.com        |  Fax  : +44 (0)1273-728866


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Dec 30 19:31:17 2004
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 16:31:17 -0800
Subject: RunRev vs RealBasic
In-Reply-To: <41D49312.70605@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <mailman.0.1104436745.21546.use-revolution@lists.runrev.com>
	<1104430155.41d4444b73eef@webmail.praevius.com>
	<41D47F54.1000500@fourthworld.com> <41D49312.70605@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <41D49DD5.6070202@fourthworld.com>

J. Landman Gay wrote:
> On 12/30/04 4:21 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> 
>> A shotgun approach usually just turns into a pissing match, and 
>> there's plenty in the archives of both lists and elsewhere to feed 
>> appetites for that sort of thing.
>
> I hope somebody shotguns it though, because I sent him to the list to 
> ask. :)

After all the trolling we had coming through here this year perhaps I'm 
a bit oversensitive to such things.  In all fairness, I remain curious 
about why someone who describes himself as preferring RealBASIC and 
being uninterested in the main benefit of 4GLs would be interested in 
switching from RealBASIC to a 4GL.

Just the same, in good holiday spirit I'll help guide him to the parts 
of the web site which answer his questions:


 > how does RunRev handle database connectivity?
   --------------------------------------------
 From <http://revolution.runrev.com/section/features.php>:
   SQL database access
     * ODBC access (with any edition)
     * Direct access to databases:
           o Oracle (Enterprise, or Studio add-on, only)
           o MySQL with SSL
           o PostgreSQL
           o Valentina
           o Frontbase
           o 3rd Party SQLLite module available
     * Point and click database connection setup
     * Automatically display data in text fields
     * Plus fully-featured database API, work with binary data,
       execute any SQL query


 > Does it do 3D or OpenGL rendering well?
   ---------------------------------------
Not natively, but there is a set of externals for this in development. 
It's been considered for native support, and as much as it makes a nifty 
marketing bullet point in real-world development very few apps actually 
use it.  As with other features for which Rev has added a simple 
omni-platform scripting interface, I'm sure if interest in 3D ever takes 
off they'll move it up on the priority list.  'Till then its the domain 
of third parties, as it is with most such general development tools.


 > Does it support a "plug-in" architecture?
   ----------------------------------------
In the program see Development->Plugins
See also Externals at: <http://support.runrev.com/resources/externals.php>


 > What level of system integration does the software have;
 > any direct access to system APIs?
   ----------------------------------
Also from <http://revolution.runrev.com/section/features.php>:
   Extensible language
     * SDK for creating externals in any compiled language
     * Shell access (Mac OS X, Windows, Unix)
     * Interprocess communication (on platforms that support this)
     * Platform-specific technologies:
           o Apple Events
           o AppleScript
           o Windows registry


It should be noted though that the main benefits of Rev are much more 
akin to Java than perhaps anything else.  Rev has a single script 
interface for 99% of what most apps need, with engines available for 
nearly every modern computer on the planet for more than half a decade.

For example, in some languages you can access the OS API for doing 
things like making aliases, so in a few dozen lines you can get the job 
done. But in Rev it's a single line of Transcript:

   create alias <aliasPath> to file <filePath>

Not only is this convenient to type, but it saves you from having to dig 
through a dozen volumes to learn the idiosynchracies of each OS API. 
With Rev, most of the time all you need is Transcript.

Transcript is famous for its one-liners, like downloading a file and 
displaying its contents in a field:

   put url "http://fourthworld.net/data.txt" into fld "Display"

In addition to these one-liners, some of the biggest conveniences with 
Transcript (and all such HyperTalk-inspired dialects) are chunk 
expressions, which make short work of text processing in way which are 
not only onvenient but also rather efficient.

For example, in most languages if you wanted to get the second word of 
the third line of a block of text you'd need to walk through it 
character by character, keeping track of delimiters as you go.  But in 
Transcript these this is simply:

   get word 3 of line 2 of tMyData

Again, it's not just the productivity or self-documenting benefits of 
this readable language that I'm emphasizing here, or even the benefits 
of typelessnes that Osterhaut refers to in the paper I cited.  The 
strong point here is that the more you use the language the more you're 
relying on highly optimized C++ code, so that one line of Transcript 
executes what might be dozens or hundreds in other languages.  In many 
cases the engine is so fast that even though the scripts are executed as 
mere bytecode overall performance is often on par with "fully compiled" 
languages.

I've seen some "fully-compiled" languages begin to recognize the 
benefits of scripting, making early steps toward grafting a scripting 
language onto their compiled language.  This trend validates what 
Osterhaut talks about, and what Rev is all about.

Rev is definitely a very different way of working, but if you're 
sincerely tired of compile-runtime cycles you may find it a good tool to 
add to your collection.


You may also be interested in their actual pricing, ranging from $99 to 
$299:
<http://support.runrev.com/pricing/license_pricing.php>

Academic pricing is even lower:
<http://support.runrev.com/section/education_pricing.php>


--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  __________________________________________________
  Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev

From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Thu Dec 30 19:34:19 2004
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 00:34:19 +0000
Subject: RunRev vs RealBasic
In-Reply-To: <41D49312.70605@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <BDFA4F0B.26A66%benr_mc@cogapp.com>

on 30/12/04 6:09 pm, cdunix at praevius.com wrote

> Being new to this list and a current RB user, I would like to see your reasons
> for using the more expensive Runtime Enterprise environment vs. the RealBasic
> Professional environment.  I am not concerned so much about "ease of use" as
> much as I am about capabilities.  For instance, how does RunRev handle
> database connectivity?  Does it do 3D or OpenGL rendering well?  Does it
> support a "plug-in" architecture?  What level of system integration does the
> software have;  any direct access to system APIs?


on 30/12/04 11:45 pm, J. Landman Gay wrote
> I hope somebody shotguns it though, because I sent him to the list to
> ask. :)
> 
> If anybody wants to make some broad, sweeping generalizations, that'd be
> great.

My broad, sweeping generalizations are - horses for courses, it depends no
your situation... oh wait, you didn't say cliches were OK.

One more sweeping generalization is that I think it's hard to find people
equally proficient in and knowledgeable of both environments, and who else
can really answer this question?  (If Lorin Rivers is still on this list, he
might be one?)

My own experience is that I used to be an RB user; I willingly paid a
(relatively) vast amount of money to acquire Metacard, and soon after Rev; I
determined to carry on and upgrade RB as well (I am lucky in being able to
justify spending company money in this way, and can demonstrate the value of
having a well stocked toolbox, even with overlapping tools) but just never
got round to it.  On the one hand I guess that's an advert for Rev, that I
never felt the need even to just have the latest version of RB around; on
the other hand it makes my knowledge of RB out of date.

As Richard (I think) mentioned, one reason for anyone to use a more
expensive system (I've no idea how prices currently compare - but again it
undoubtedly depends on what you want, since I know the configurations are
different) is precisely ease of use, translated into productivity; if you
can charge a day rate in the same ballpark as the cost of the tool, then a
tool with even slightly greater productivity quickly pays for itself.

I think RB has some excellent features, and there are some aspects that I
definitely prefer to Rev, in a theoretical way.   There were some things I
disliked, and some things that seemed fundamentally broken.   For all I
know, all of these things may have been fixed since I last looked at it.

To attempt some specific answers to your questions:

> how does RunRev handle database connectivity?
Very well, in my perception; I use this a lot in my work, and it works well
for me.

> Does it do 3D or OpenGL rendering well?
AFAIK, no.  Never been relevant to me, I've never investigated.

> Does it support a "plug-in" architecture?
Yes (in different ways: I'm not exactly sure which of several things you
mean, but I think the answer is yes in all cases.)   Because of the
difference in object models, in at least one context it may not support this
quite as comprehensively as RB, but I suspect that this is not a real issue,
and I'm definitely on dodgy ground here.

> What level of system integration does the software have;  any direct access to
> system APIs?
Access to the system - via shell and applescript - but not in general to the
system APIs except via externals written in another language.

To get back to my cliches, it depends on you, what you want to do, what you
know, and what matters to you.  If you're already a deep RB expert, it will
take a considerable investment to make Rev more useful to you.  If there are
particular areas that are of interest to you, it may be that Rev can do you
a sufficiently better job in those areas to overcome that disadvantage. In
other areas, it might do a worse job.

Err... did that help at all?  Assuming that it didn't, you could try being
more specific about questions you have, or about the area in which you're
working, or about your priorities (is time more valuable to you, or cash, or
degree of polish, or platform reach...).  Or about what you find good and
bad about RB (you presumably have some discontents to be asking the
question), in which case listers here may be able to confirm or deny whether
or not you can expect Rev to match the likes, and to what extent it can
improve on the discontents.

Cheers,

 
  Ben Rubinstein               |  Email: benr_mc at cogapp.com
  Cognitive Applications Ltd   |  Phone: +44 (0)1273-821600
  http://www.cogapp.com        |  Fax  : +44 (0)1273-728866


From nrkweto03 at hotmail.com  Thu Dec 30 19:42:23 2004
From: nrkweto03 at hotmail.com (Nicolas Cueto)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 09:42:23 +0900
Subject: multiple local sockets
References: <BDF232AD.BF49%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <BAY17-DAV11759D9420F5134870E4D2B29D0@phx.gbl>

Hello All,

Spent a long day yesterday! Both figuring out a "solution" to a
multiple-ports problem, and realizing finally that my understanding of Rev's
implementation of sockets is seriously flawed. Specifically, the problem
this time seems to be my unclear understanding of how Rev identifies sockets
to and from a single port.

I was hoping someone might care to comment on the following before-and-after
script outlines, perhaps even going so far as to also suggest a simpler way.
Appended below, too, is the perhaps relevant sections from the Rev
documentation, but the implementation of which I'm afraid I could not
understand (i.e., how or where to actually refer in a script to a
non-numeric socket identifier I've arbitrarily assigned).

As always, thank you... and a Happy Year of The Chicken!

Cheers,
Nicolas Cueto

--------------------------------------
######THE "BEFORE" SCRIPT##########
local tRawData

on openCard
  accept connections on port 8080 with message "netConnect"
  open socket to "192.168.1.11:8025" with message "sendItOne"
  open socket to "192.168.1.11:8025" with message "sendItTwo"
end openCard

on netConnect incomingMessage
  read from socket incoming message until [arbitrary end marker]
  put it into receivedData
  close socket incomingMessage
  if "[request 1]" is in receivedData then
  put receivedData into tRawData
  processRawData
  end if
  if "[request 2]" is in receivedData then
  put receivedData into tRawData
  processRawData
end netConnect

on processRawData
 if "[request 1]" is in tRawData then do stuff on local stack
 if "[request 2]" is in tRawData then do other stuff on local stack
end processRawData

on sendItOne sOne
  put "[request1]" into tData
  write tData to socket sOne
  close socket sOne
end sendItOne

on sendItTwo sTwo
  put "[request2]" into tData
  write tData to socket sTwo
  close socket sTwo
end sendItOne

########## THE "AFTER" SCRIPT############
local tRawDataOne, tRawDataTwo

on openCard
  accept connections on port 8080 with message "netConnectOne"
  accept connections on port 8081with message "netConnectOne"
  open socket to "192.168.1.11:8025" with message "sendItOne"
  open socket to "192.168.1.11:8026" with message "sendItTwo"
end openCard

on netConnectOne incomingMessageOne
  read from socket incoming messageOne until [arbitrary end marker]
  put it into receivedData
  close socket incomingMessageOne
  if "[request 1]" is in receivedData then
  put receivedData into tRawDataOne
  processRawDataOne
end netConnectOne

on netConnectTwo incomingMessageTwo
  read from socket incoming messageTwo until [arbitrary end marker]
  put it into receivedData
  close socket incomingMessageTwo
  if "[request 1]" is in receivedData then
  put receivedData into tRawDataTwo
  processRawDataTwo
end netConnectOne

on processRawDataOne
 do stuff on local stack
end processRawDataOne

on processRawDataTwo
  do other stuff on local stack
end processRawDataTwo

on sendItOne sOne
  put "[request1]" into tData
  write tData to socket sOne
  close socket sOne
end sendItOne

on sendItTwo sTwo
  put "[request2]" into tData
  write tData to socket sTwo
  close socket sTwo
end sendItOne

#########REV DOC: accept command###########
When a connection is made or a datagram is received, the accept command
creates a new socket that can be used to communicate with the other system
(or process). When using the close socket, read from socket, or write to
socket commands, you can refer to this socket with a socket identifier that
looks like this:

  host:port[|connectionID]

where the connectionID is a number assigned by the accept command. (You only
need to specify the connection number if there is more than one socket
connected to a particular port and host.)

#########REV DOC:open socket command#######
Note:  When the accept command creates a socket, it assigns a number as the
connection name. If you are using both the open socket command and the
accept command to connect to the same port on the same host, make sure to
use a non-numeric connection name that won?t conflict with the numbers
assigned by the accept command. This ensures that you can always refer to
two different sockets by distinct socket identifiers.

From viper4559 at yahoo.com  Thu Dec 30 12:37:56 2004
From: viper4559 at yahoo.com (Robert Sabo)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 09:37:56 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Random Name Generator
In-Reply-To: <BDF88392.C875%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <20041230173756.34927.qmail@web50807.mail.yahoo.com>

> 
> Suppose you had a list field called "User Names"
> which will contain the list
> of user names, and a separate field called "Selected
> User" which will
> contain the name of the randomly selected user name
> from the "User Names"
> field. Add to this a button that says "Go", and you
> have this:
> 
> -- Script of button "Go"
> on mouseUp
>   put any line of field "User Names" into field
> "Selected User"
> end mouseUp
> 
> Easy, no?
> 
> Ken Ray
> Sons of Thunder Software
> Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
> Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
> 

Ok I get this, however I think I should further
explain my layout. It is one card and stack. The top
consists of a text entry field (used to display the
random name that was chosen) and a button below it to
run the random name chooser. Below this is some text
for instructions about adding names. Then another text
entry field to type the name you want to add. Below
this field is a button that will add the name typed
into the list. Finally at the bottom there is a
scrolling field and a button. The scrolling field is
meant to display the list. This list has some
properties to hilight rows etc. Then I want the button
underneath the scrolling field to delete the hilighted
username. 

I will attach a picture of the program hoping that the
list allows it. This should better your understanding
of what I want to do. Thanks for your guy's help and
all but I feel that you were thinking that I would
only use a scrolling text field to enter the names
etc. 

Thanks,

Robert

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From alex at tweedly.net  Thu Dec 30 20:14:24 2004
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 01:14:24 +0000
Subject: multiple local sockets
In-Reply-To: <BAY17-DAV11759D9420F5134870E4D2B29D0@phx.gbl>
References: <BDF232AD.BF49%kray@sonsothunder.com>
	<BAY17-DAV11759D9420F5134870E4D2B29D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <41D4A7F0.9050101@tweedly.net>

Nicolas Cueto wrote:

>I was hoping someone might care to comment on the following before-and-after
>script outlines, perhaps even going so far as to also suggest a simpler way.
>  
>
It might be easier to suggest a simpler way if you could explain what
you *want* to do.
Suggesting changes to the code you give leaves the possibility that we
miss a really simple way because of the assumptions you have already
made in the code you provide.

>Appended below, too, is the perhaps relevant sections from the Rev
>documentation, but the implementation of which I'm afraid I could not
>understand (i.e., how or where to actually refer in a script to a
>non-numeric socket identifier I've arbitrarily assigned).
>  
>
You can simply say something like

open socket "192.168.0.1:8080|myconnectionname" with message "sendItOne"

and then you have given a connection name which will never conflict with
one that accept will give.

The next paragraph says (or at least, I read it as saying) that "accept"
will only ever use numeric values for the ID part - hence will never
conflict if you use a non-numeric ID like "myconnectionname"

>#########REV DOC: accept command###########
>When a connection is made or a datagram is received, the accept command
>creates a new socket that can be used to communicate with the other system
>(or process). When using the close socket, read from socket, or write to
>socket commands, you can refer to this socket with a socket identifier that
>looks like this:
>
>  host:port[|connectionID]
>
>where the connectionID is a number assigned by the accept command. (You only
>need to specify the connection number if there is more than one socket
>connected to a particular port and host.)
>
>#########REV DOC:open socket command#######
>Note:  When the accept command creates a socket, it assigns a number as the
>connection name. If you are using both the open socket command and the
>accept command to connect to the same port on the same host, make sure to
>use a non-numeric connection name that won?t conflict with the numbers
>assigned by the accept command. This ensures that you can always refer to
>two different sockets by distinct socket identifiers.
>  
>
-- Alex.


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From cdunix at praevius.com  Thu Dec 30 17:42:52 2004
From: cdunix at praevius.com (cdunix at praevius.com)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 17:42:52 -0500
Subject: RunRev vs RealBasic (Richard Gaskin)
Message-ID: <1104446572.41d4846c3474e@webmail.praevius.com>

References: <20041230221640.C7321930123 at mail.runrev.com>
In-Reply-To: <20041230221640.C7321930123 at mail.runrev.com>
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Thanks, Richard, point taken.  I'll begin by telling about myself.  I have
fairly extensive experience with the Windows API, Unix, and the Macintosh
environment.  I am very familiar with tools such as XCODE, GCC, etc.  I have
recently (within the last 3 years) found that RealBasic strikes a very, very
good middle ground with power vs. ease of use; not sacrificing a great deal of
the former.  I can't really complain about their support either.  My only
knowledge of RunRev is what I'm reading from the website and hearing from
testimonials.

I'm sure you're familiar with the saying "all science is magic until discovered"
(or thereabouts), so basically I am curious as to whether most users are novice
developers and are only "impressed" with RunRev because it is something they
can use, or if it really does pack a great deal of power along with flexibility
to do the "complex" things.

I am currently developing software as a contractor for several different
companies and am very interested in anything that can help me do the job faster
without losing much.  Currently, my primary interest would be in developing
data-connected finance and tracking applications.  From my "ignorant" position,
it would appear that RB is much more fit for the robust requirements, but as I
said I don't know that for a fact.

Hope that gives you a little more insight into where I am.

Thanks again,
Michael


> I would happily do my best to help explain why MacWorld UK calls Rev 
> "the Best Rapid Application Development tool on the market" (Dec 04, 
> p55) if you'll kindly tell us a bit more about your interest in Rev.
> 
> A shotgun approach usually just turns into a pissing match, and there's 
> plenty in the archives of both lists and elsewhere to feed appetites for 
> that sort of thing.
> 
> So if you can describe why you're considering Rev we can better address 
> your specific areas of interest.
> 
> Also, when you say you're not interested in "ease of use", does that 
> also rule out productivity?  Greater productivity is probably the 
> strongest argument for 4GLs over lower-level languages.  Osterhaut makes 
> one of the most cogent arguments in favor of 4GLs -- c check out his 
> seminal paper on the topic: <http://home.pacbell.net/ouster/scripting.html>.
> 
> After you've read that please describe why you're considering switching 
> and we'll happly do out best to answer your questions.
> 
> You may also want to check out Rev's web site:  <http://www.runrev.com>, 
> as most of the questions in your post are addressed there.  Your notions 
> about how Rev's pricing compares to RealBASIC's can be clarified there 
> as well, looking beyond the price of admission to total costs for 
> upgrades, support, etc.
> 
> --
>   Richard Gaskin
>   Fourth World Media Corporation
>   __________________________________________________
>   Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev


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From SimPLsol at aol.com  Thu Dec 30 22:27:42 2004
From: SimPLsol at aol.com (SimPLsol at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 22:27:42 EST
Subject: Rubinstein on Menus
Message-ID: <199.35906cf2.2f06212e@aol.com>

Ben,
     I think you are on the right track. You said what I tried to say, but 
said it much more eloquently. Certainly my 5th point should have been: I want 
stack coordinates to stay the same on all platforms - whether or not there is a 
menu.
     If we can add your solution without disrupting existing stacks, why 
would we not do it?
Paul Looney

From SimPLsol at aol.com  Thu Dec 30 22:30:01 2004
From: SimPLsol at aol.com (SimPLsol at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 22:30:01 EST
Subject: Happy New Year...
Message-ID: <111.408ddc86.2f0621b9@aol.com>

I thought someone in New Zealand would be the first to wish the list a Happy 
New Year.
Paul Looney

From capellan2000 at yahoo.com  Thu Dec 30 22:38:59 2004
From: capellan2000 at yahoo.com (Alejandro Tejada)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 19:38:59 -0800 (PST)
Subject: getting the Real name of CDs from RR
In-Reply-To: <20041230170011.393C293008C@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <20041231033859.74985.qmail@web40511.mail.yahoo.com>

on Thu, 30 Dec 2004 
thierry Douez wrote:

> Well, some good news just before the New Year :-)
> In fact, it's not line 1 but line 2 !!!!!
> i just tested it on Win98 too.

Thanks a lot, thierry, for testing
this code on your machine! :-)

But in this machine still does not works...
this means i had to backup all files 
(just the kind of software i'm building now...)
and reinstall. :-((

Happy New Year, Ken, Thierry and each one
of the developers that make this list enjoyable!

Thanks again!

al






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From revolution at jaedworks.com  Thu Dec 30 22:40:07 2004
From: revolution at jaedworks.com (Jeanne A. E. DeVoto)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 19:40:07 -0800
Subject: Resize a stack window
In-Reply-To: <41D486BB.9010406@tweedly.net>
References: <41D486BB.9010406@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <p062007a3bdfa79d8d6c7@[66.93.39.98]>

At 10:52 PM +0000 12/30/04, Alex Tweedly wrote:
>I have a stack window that I can't resize

This is just a guess, but you might try setting the stack's 
decorations to default. I seem to remember some sort of conflict 
there....
-- 
jeanne a. e. devoto ~ revolution at jaedworks.com
http://www.jaedworks.com

From mpetrides at earthlink.net  Thu Dec 30 22:42:58 2004
From: mpetrides at earthlink.net (Marian Petrides)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 22:42:58 -0500
Subject: Happy New Year...
In-Reply-To: <111.408ddc86.2f0621b9@aol.com>
References: <111.408ddc86.2f0621b9@aol.com>
Message-ID: <1060CF9A-5ADE-11D9-BCB4-000A959D005E@earthlink.net>

Well, Happy New Year to you, Paul, and all the other Revolutionaries 
out there.

 From the East Coast of the USA...

Marian

On Dec 30, 2004, at 10:30 PM, SimPLsol at aol.com wrote:

> I thought someone in New Zealand would be the first to wish the list a 
> Happy
> New Year.
> Paul Looney
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Thu Dec 30 23:30:05 2004
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 22:30:05 -0600
Subject: RunRev vs RealBasic (Richard Gaskin)
In-Reply-To: <1104446572.41d4846c3474e@webmail.praevius.com>
Message-ID: <BDFA31ED.CA13%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 12/30/04 4:42 PM, "cdunix at praevius.com" <cdunix at praevius.com> wrote:

> Thanks, Richard, point taken.  I'll begin by telling about myself.  I have
> fairly extensive experience with the Windows API, Unix, and the Macintosh
> environment.  I am very familiar with tools such as XCODE, GCC, etc.  I have
> recently (within the last 3 years) found that RealBasic strikes a very, very
> good middle ground with power vs. ease of use; not sacrificing a great deal of
> the former.  I can't really complain about their support either.  My only
> knowledge of RunRev is what I'm reading from the website and hearing from
> testimonials.
> 
> I'm sure you're familiar with the saying "all science is magic until
> discovered"
> (or thereabouts), so basically I am curious as to whether most users are
> novice
> developers and are only "impressed" with RunRev because it is something they
> can use, or if it really does pack a great deal of power along with
> flexibility
> to do the "complex" things.

IMHO, Revolution packs a lot of power in an "easy to use" shell. I know RB
as well as Rev, and I would have to say that if your just looking for raw
functionality (i.e. can it "do" <x>), Rev and RB are very similar in
abilties (RB does a few things Rev can't and vice-versa). However, when it
comes to *ease* of implementation (which applies to speed of development and
efficiency), as Richard pointed out, Revolution can be much easier to use
than RB (IMHO), allowing for one-liners that would take RB several lines to
implement (to be fair, this happens the other way as well, but IMHO it seems
that more often than not Rev can do things more efficiently than RB).

Personally I think on of the biggest advantages that Rev has over RB is that
you can go from editing to running *immediately*; you don't need to compile
and run. So for example, if you're working on a dialog box that would
normally take you 5 mouse clicks to get to from the start of your program,
you would have to run that sequence every time you made a simple change to
the dialog box. In Rev, you'd just switch to the browse tool, and you're
"running" immediately; you can test right away.

Just my 2 cents,

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
 



From nrkweto03 at hotmail.com  Thu Dec 30 23:42:38 2004
From: nrkweto03 at hotmail.com (Nicolas Cueto)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 13:42:38 +0900
Subject: multiple local sockets
References: 	<BDF232AD.BF49%kray@sonsothunder.com><BAY17-DAV11759D9420F5134870E4D2B29D0@phx.gbl>
	<41D4A7F0.9050101@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <BAY17-DAV18461656EBF3331C0965ACB29D0@phx.gbl>

Alex Tweedly wrote:

> It might be easier to suggest a simpler way if you could explain what
> you *want* to do.

Sorry for not being clear. To enable my (sometimes unduly hesitant!)
language-learners to interact aurally and visually over the school LAN, I
want to create a client-stack capable of sending to and receiving from a
likewise cofigure server-stack both data and stack-events -- and all
happening live, sometimes simultaneously (e.g., within one card's script),
and with as few ports/handlers as possible!

"Send-to" taks for the client-stack include:
- logging-in so that everyone knows who's on-line
- making requests for various types of data
- broadcasting local stack events to all or some host stacks

"Receive-from" tasks include:
- receiving replies from data requests to the server-stack
- awaiting continously for server-mediated info about stack-events on host
stacks

The server-stack would either mediate or act as source to the above.

Hope that's less confusing.

Thanks.

Cheers,
Nicolas Cueto

From kray at sonsothunder.com  Thu Dec 30 23:53:06 2004
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 22:53:06 -0600
Subject: getting the Real name of CDs from RR
In-Reply-To: <20041231033859.74985.qmail@web40511.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BDFA3752.CA19%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 12/30/04 9:38 PM, "Alejandro Tejada" <capellan2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> But in this machine still does not works...
> this means i had to backup all files
> (just the kind of software i'm building now...)
> and reinstall. :-((

Did you try the Win98 version I'd posted this morning? If not, here it is
again:

function GetCDName pLetter
  set the hideConsoleWindows to true
  if the shellCommand is "cmd" then
    put shell(pLetter & " & dir") into temp
    if line 1 of temp is empty then delete line 1 of temp
    return last word of line 1 of temp
  else
    -- Win98, etc.
    put pLetter & cr & "dir" into url("file:c:/temp.bat")
    put shell("c:\temp.bat") into tResult
    delete file "c:/temp.bat"
    return last word of line 6 of temp
  end if
end GetCDName

HTH,

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From cdunix at praevius.com  Thu Dec 30 21:58:03 2004
From: cdunix at praevius.com (cdunix at praevius.com)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 21:58:03 -0500
Subject: RunRev vs RealBasic
In-Reply-To: <20041231032244.169B293010F@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20041231032244.169B293010F@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <1104461883.41d4c03b0af3f@webmail.praevius.com>

Well, Richard, I do appreciate you humoring me.  As I said, besides the RunRev
website and a few testimonials I am "ignorant" as to it's true capabilities. 
And I never used the word "switch".  As I said earlier, I'm familiar with (and
use) multiple tools;  if anything it would be an addition.  And 4G Languages
are fine, as long as power and ability is not lost.  As far as being unhappy
with RB, that's not the case either.  Any well-rounded contractor knows that
he/she must, within reason, keep abreast on the latest tools in order to stay
competitive.  In fact, one of the things that initially attracted me to RB (as
is apparently the case with RunRev as well) was it's native database
connectivity capabilies and also it's native database format.  One thing that
does perplex me about RunRev is the difference between Studio and Enterprise,
and why?  Both in price and capability.

It's rather late and the only analogy I can come up with is a music one.  So all
you guitar players follow along.  When I'm playing music in my garage, I don't
mind at all using a multi-effects pedal with it's handy presets to begin
piecing work together; to prototype so to speak.  It's rather limited, but has
lot's of tools and helps me get the job done.  When I play a show however
(which hasn't been in a few years ;) ) I'm a fan of individual pedals.  I can
tweak and tune each, quickly, according to my taste.  So, is RunRev the
multi-effects pedal with quick and easy "presets" or does it still retain the
"power" of individual pedals as well?  Apologies for the inefficient analogy.

Thanks,
Michael

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From chipp at chipp.com  Fri Dec 31 03:04:15 2004
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 02:04:15 -0600
Subject: RunRev vs RealBasic
In-Reply-To: <1104461883.41d4c03b0af3f@webmail.praevius.com>
References: <20041231032244.169B293010F@mail.runrev.com>
	<1104461883.41d4c03b0af3f@webmail.praevius.com>
Message-ID: <41D507FF.6020408@chipp.com>

Hi Michael,

Hope you don't mind me chiming in here. Like Richard, Ken and others, I 
make a living programming in RR. I write apps for myself, and for 
others. I've previous experience in VB, but not RB.

I think a good way to evaluate the potential 'power' of a program, is to 
look at some apps which have been developed with it. To that end, you 
may wish to visit our site:

www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/RunRevCaseStudies/Hemingway.htm

where you'll find some info on Hemingway, our Content Management System. 
Others can probably point you to some other apps as well. We also have 
developed for Altuit a version control system, _MagicCarpet_ along with 
a professional button rendering system: ButtonGadget

www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/MagicCarpetCover/default.htm
www.buttongadget.com

along with a few quickies including an HTML editor called HTMLgadget and 
small image manipulation program called ImageGadget (you probaly are 
getting the 'gadget' theme here;-)

Currently I'm working for a client and doing a complete rewrite of their 
stalled RB development project. We're scheduled to complete the whole 
product in under 2 months. Though I don't know the RB developer, I do 
know the client is very happy with the many additional features I can 
add quickly using our own proprietary self-updating plugin architecture 
based on RunRev.

Of course, just because a developer in RR can accomplish something a RB 
developer cannot, doesn't necessarily say anything about the 2 
platforms, perhaps only about the developer.

Our company develops some very large scale Enterprise apps (including 
one for Homeland Security) and we usually use RR as tier-1 in a 3-tier 
architecture. I've yet to run across anything I can't build that I've 
wanted to. I imagine both Ken and Richard probably feel the same. And if 
I did need a new feature, the functionality is only an external away 
(see altBrowser on our RunRev site).

Even then, I've only used 2 externals since 2001 when I started 
programming in RR: altBrowser (Safari and IE plugin), and revZipper (zip 
plugin for PC- you can shell it on the mac).

Unless you're somewhat familiar with HyperCard or Xtalk languages, IMO, 
the learning curve can be somewhat steep for traditional developers-- in 
fact, I think it can be steeper for traditional developers than for newbies.

My business partner is an accomplished C programmer. He marvels at xTalk 
simplicity but admits it's confusing to read:

wait while it is not empty with messages
:-)

The good thing is this list is monitored continually and if you are 
articulate in your posting style, your answers are typically only a few 
minutes away.

best of luck,

Chipp Walters, Altuit, Inc.
www.chipp.com

From martin at materiaprima.fsnet.co.uk  Fri Dec 31 04:21:11 2004
From: martin at materiaprima.fsnet.co.uk (Martin Baxter)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 04:21:11 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Resize a stack window
In-Reply-To: <41D486BB.9010406@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <l03130300bdfade01d5e2@[81.78.126.172]>

>I have a stack window that I can't resize. Obviously, I've inadvertently
>set some property, but can't figure out which one would stop me resizing
>it (set height or set width still work - but I can't use the mouse to
>click/drag an edge to resize it).
>
>style is set to toplevel
>resizable is true
>live resizing is also true (shouldn't matter ?)
>min width is 32, max width is 65535
>min height is 32, max height is 65535
>
>Anything else I need to change ? or should check ?
>
>Thanks
>-- Alex.

Alex,

You could try :

set the decorations of stack "foo" to "default"

Odd as it may sound, this is a fix for a known problem that has the
symptoms you describe.

HTH

Martin Baxter



From frank at backtalk.com  Fri Dec 31 04:27:48 2004
From: frank at backtalk.com (Frank Leahy)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 09:27:48 +0000
Subject: Menu woes
In-Reply-To: <20041231032244.169B293010F@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20041231032244.169B293010F@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <3C9CBD74-5B0E-11D9-A88F-000A9580FCCE@backtalk.com>

On Dec 31, 2004, at 3:22 AM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com 
wrote:

> From: Ben Rubinstein <benr_mc at cogapp.com>
> Subject: Re: Menu woes
> To: "use-revolution at lists.runrev.com"
> 	<use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Message-ID: <BDFA4613.26A5A%benr_mc at cogapp.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
> I think there a bunch of different issues wrong (or in some cases, 
> right but
> not right for everyone) with how Rev handles menus, and have in the 
> past
> tried to describe a completely new architecture that could be 
> introduced
> without breaking compatibility at all, and addressing most of these at 
> a
> stroke.
>
...Lot of specific comments...
>
> I'd be really interested in comments on this scheme.  I've shied away 
> from
> entering enhancement requests bugzilla about menus because I want so 
> much.
> But I actually think this could be quite a small request, and realy 
> helpful;
> so I'd like to know whether other people think it makes sense, and how 
> it
> could be improved.

Ben,

Perfect.  Exactly what I was envisioning when I suggested a separate 
menubar area below the titlebar and above the content area.  And as you 
say, Chipp can continue to do what he's doing with the existing 
functionality.  The only suggestion I might have is that a font fact 
and size be specifiable when setting the windows menubar in this new 
scheme.

Regards,
-- Frank

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From douez at wanadoo.fr  Fri Dec 31 04:58:02 2004
From: douez at wanadoo.fr (thierry Douez)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 10:58:02 +0100
Subject: getting the Real name of CDs from RR
In-Reply-To: <20041231033859.74985.qmail@web40511.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20041230170011.393C293008C@mail.runrev.com>
 <20041231033859.74985.qmail@web40511.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <317915881.20041231105802@wanadoo.fr>

Hi,

>> Well, some good news just before the New Year :-)
>> In fact, it's not line 1 but line 2 !!!!!
>> i just tested it on Win98 too.

AT> But in this machine still does not works...
AT> this means i had to backup all files 
AT> (just the kind of software i'm building now...)
AT> and reinstall. :-((

Oups ! sorry... i didn't write exactly the same code as Ken
when i tried on my machine... look closely the shell parameters :-).
just picked it up from an old script...
this could be explained why it doesn't work on your machine ?

and i didn't try Ken's new solution, but i'm pretty sure it works.

all the best
thierry

---------
on mouseUp
  answer GetCDName("d:")
end mouseUp

function GetCDName pLetter
  set the hideConsoleWindows to true
  return the last word of line 2 of shell( "Dir " & pLetter )
end GetCDName



From chipp at chipp.com  Fri Dec 31 05:55:08 2004
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 04:55:08 -0600
Subject: Menu woes
In-Reply-To: <BDFA4613.26A5A%benr_mc@cogapp.com>
References: <BDFA4613.26A5A%benr_mc@cogapp.com>
Message-ID: <41D5300C.6080203@chipp.com>

Hi Ben,

After a careful reading, I think you have a good grasp of the problem 
and do propose a good solution.

I want to be able to make a custom menu for my apps, and I can do it 
with the scheme you provide, with the exception that I want to locate 
them anywhere on the card, not in a space reserved 'above' the card and 
'under' the titlebar. I believe you have addressed this issue below in a 
thoughtful manner, but I also want the menu I use to be the same menu 
which shows up on the top of the mac screen. I assume this could be done 
as well, but don't know your 'command' for it.

That being said, and now with Richard's help, I'm happy with the way 
things are right now. I can do *any* behavior I can think of. I remember 
a post Scott Raney mentioned a few years ago where he said that engine 
bugs which had known work-arounds were lower in priority than others. 
Good food for thought.

best,

Chipp

From erikhans08 at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 31 08:00:08 2004
From: erikhans08 at yahoo.com (Erik Hansen)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 05:00:08 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Test for "within graphic"?
In-Reply-To: <a05100309bc87839ade9e@[66.81.137.141]>
Message-ID: <20041231130009.57588.qmail@web61205.mail.yahoo.com>


this came up in the Incest Taboo:

Type	Chunk: no such object
Object	Rabbits and foxes
Line	set the loc of button "turtle" to
        turtlePtToMousePt(xycor())
Hint	turtle


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From alex at tweedly.net  Fri Dec 31 08:50:42 2004
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 13:50:42 +0000
Subject: multiple local sockets
In-Reply-To: <BAY17-DAV18461656EBF3331C0965ACB29D0@phx.gbl>
References: 	<BDF232AD.BF49%kray@sonsothunder.com><BAY17-DAV11759D9420F5134870E4D2B29D0@phx.gbl>
	<41D4A7F0.9050101@tweedly.net> <BAY17-DAV18461656EBF3331C0965ACB29D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <41D55932.5020206@tweedly.net>

Nicolas Cueto wrote:

>     To enable my (sometimes unduly hesitant!)
>language-learners to interact aurally and visually over the school LAN, I
>want to create a client-stack capable of sending to and receiving from a
>likewise cofigure server-stack both data and stack-events -- and all
>happening live, sometimes simultaneously (e.g., within one card's script),
>and with as few ports/handlers as possible!
>
>"Send-to" taks for the client-stack include:
>- logging-in so that everyone knows who's on-line
>- making requests for various types of data
>- broadcasting local stack events to all or some host stacks
>  
>
If at all possible, I'd make each client talk ONLY to the server. Make
one of the requests it can send to the server be
"send to all clients", which causes the server to forward the message to
all clients (or maybe to all clients except the initiator - your choice).

>"Receive-from" tasks include:
>- receiving replies from data requests to the server-stack
>- awaiting continously for server-mediated info about stack-events on host
>stacks
>
>The server-stack would either mediate or act as source to the above.
>  
>

I don't see anything in that description that prevents you from doing it
the following (relatively simple) way.

Overview:

The server is unique - must be findable from each client (DNS name if
you have the local network on DNS, or maybe a well-known IP address).
Each client opens a single TCP connection to the server; the TCP
connection remains open for the duration of the session.
That TCP session is used to carry all of
1. client requests
2. subsequent server responses
3. server initiated info
4. client responses to that.

As I said above, I'd make all communication go through the server -
helps for logging, testing, and general simplicity. I'd make it easy to
log every message to/from the server.

I'd make all messages consist of a "command tag" followed by any data
(so for instance, even a direct response to a request would have a tag
identifying that it is a response).

Reservation: depending on how many clients you expect to have, there may
be a problem with the simple scheme of a single, permanent TCP
connection. Simply keeping that connection open uses resources, both on
the network and more importantly within the server. Machines and OSes
have different limits on the number of simultaneous TCP connections they
can have. If it's a modern machine/OS, I *think* you should be OK with a
couple of hundred - but this definitely needs to be checked and/or tested.

Detail:

The server would do something like
(note - this is code from one of my stacks, but edited to remove all the
extraneous, confusing stuff, and some newly typed sections to restore
the minimal version of what I removed..... so there could be typos, or
simple errors - but the overall structure should be OK).

global gConnections

on startUp
accept connections on port "7654" with message "connectionMade"
put empty into gConnections
logWrite "Started on 7654"
end startUp

on connectionMade
put param(1) into theOtherOne
if the number of lines in gConnections >= 4 then -- set a suitable limit
for yourself
logWrite "Too many clients - rejected."
close socket theOtherOne
exit connectionMade
end if
put theOtherOne & cr after gConnections
read from socket theOtherOne until CR with message "readsome"
end connectionMade

on socketError s
put lineOffset(s, gConnections) into NConnection
if NConnection = 0 then
logWrite "Socket Error with unknown player."
else
logWrite "Socket" && s && "error:" && param(2)
delete line NConnection of gConnections
end if
end socketError

on socketClosed s
put lineOffset(s, gConnections) into NConnection
if NConnection = 0 then
logWrite "Attempt to close a socket that is not open."
else
logWrite "Socket" && s && "closed."
delete line NConnection of gConnections
end if
end socketClosed

on readsome
put param(1) into fromSocket
put lineOffset(fromSocket, gConnections) into NConnection
if NConnection = 0 then
logWrite "Input rejected - unknown player" & fromSocket
read from socket fromSocket until CR with message "readsome"
exit readsome
end if

-- so we are accepting the input - log it
logWrite "readsome" && NConnection && param(2)
-- note I should have handled multi-line input better for logging !!

put line 1 of param(2) into theInput
switch item 1 of theInput -- switch on the valid "commands"
case "setname"
-- an example of a command from a client that needs a response
-- store the user name in a the connections table
put TAB & item 2 of theInput after line nConnection of gConnections
-- and send him a welcome message
write "welcome," && item 2 of theInput & CR to socket fromSocket
break

case "shout"
-- an example of one client talking to EVERY other client
put item 2 of theInput into tMessage
broadcast tMessage
break

end switch
-- and prepare for more input ....
read from socket fromSocket until CR with message "readsome"
end readsome

on logWrite m -- should probably log to a file as well, not just to a field
put m & cr after field "outField"
end logWrite

on broadcast message
-- I use sequence numbers on all my messages. I deleted most of the code
that manages them,
-- but left in this mention of them, because I think they're a good idea.
add 1 to gSeqNumber
repeat for each line L in gConnections
put item 1 of L into tSocket
write gSeqNumber & COMMA & message & cr to socket tSocket
end repeat
end broadcast

on unicast pConnection, message
put item 1 of line pConnection of gConnection into tSocket
write gSeqNumber & COMMA & message & cr to socket tSocket
end unicast

The code for the client looks very similar, except
- they start out doing an open rather than an accept.
- all input is from the server, so no need for the connections table, or
checking which connection input is from

But generally, it's similar code - a single handler that gets input
after the connection is set up, and uses the "command" tag at the start
of the input to determine what to do.

Hope that helps a bit - if not, just holler.
-- Alex.


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From fde101 at fjrhome.net  Fri Dec 31 11:10:50 2004
From: fde101 at fjrhome.net (Frank D. Engel, Jr.)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 11:10:50 -0500
Subject: Oversize cards and jumping between 9 not-overlapping
In-Reply-To: <41D49347.40308@fourthworld.com>
References: <41D49032.7070008@psy.ku.dk> <41D49347.40308@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <8A3AF2BE-5B46-11D9-A106-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>

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Why would you want to do something like that with a single card? That 
would be rather difficult to manage.  But yes, the closest you will 
come to this would be to put everything into a scrollable group.

Another alternative is to just keep everything within the space of a 
single card and use your navigation buttons to hide and show things as 
appropriate in order to navigate within your card's controls.  This 
works well with tabs, for example...

On Dec 30, 2004, at 6:46 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Kresten Bjerg wrote:
>> Thanks to Frank for swift reply.
>> But the solution I search is not one of having 9 parallel cards, but 
>> to create a waterproof way to have the 9 windows be one ONE CARD!
>
> You might want to consider using groups instead.
>
> By definition, a card always fills the window, but a group can be of 
> any size, and you can have as many of them as you like on a single 
> card. They can even have their own scroll bars if needed.
>
> --
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World Media Corporation
>  __________________________________________________
>  Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev
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>
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$ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
$ true | cat /usr/manual | grep "John 3:16"
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Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have 
everlasting life.
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From fde101 at fjrhome.net  Fri Dec 31 11:29:37 2004
From: fde101 at fjrhome.net (Frank D. Engel, Jr.)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 11:29:37 -0500
Subject: RunRev vs RealBasic (Richard Gaskin)
In-Reply-To: <BDFA31ED.CA13%kray@sonsothunder.com>
References: <BDFA31ED.CA13%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <29A99C2A-5B49-11D9-A106-0050E410655F@fjrhome.net>

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I have a very limited amount of experience with Visual Basic, and ran 
the RealBasic demo when trying to decide on a tool for the project I am 
doing.  I have had a little more experience with other languages, 
including other forms of Basic (Applesoft Basic, QuickBasic), C, Java, 
Pascal, Ada, etc.

I definitely agree that one of Rev's biggest advantages is that program 
"execution" can be overlapped with development.  While designing a 
program in the IDE, you can easily switch among form editing, script 
editing, and "browse" (execution) modes and not take extensive time for 
recompiling.  If there is a bug during execution, you can often patch 
it up in the script and restart the script operation w/o needing to go 
through and restart the entire program.  What traditional tools would 
provide as "Debugging" information, such as watch windows for 
variables, etc. are easily accessible through the Rev interface.  
"Immediate" command execution is possible through the "Message" box.  
There are numerous advantages to an interpreted environment, and even 
more with the modal used by Rev.

However, there are a few disadvantages, as well: some with the modal, 
and some with Rev specifically.  Rev's documentation is somewhat 
lacking for beginners, so if you do not already have familiarity with 
an XTalk environment such as HyperCard/SuperCard, it will be a bit of 
an adjustment to deal with -- of course, it would be an adjustment even 
with good docs, but it would at least come more easily.  However, once 
you have learned the modal of development used by Rev, and have some 
familiarity with how to search the docs and use this list, it is not 
difficult to pick up new topics and use them rather efficiently.  My 
own coding style and use of Rev's features is constantly improving with 
techniques I pick up on "accidentally" using this list.  Printing is 
also in need of some improvement, at least under Windows (which has 
different screen and printer font metrics).  Once a few issues have 
been worked out, and after you get on to how printing is done, you can 
access some quite powerful features rather easily, though.

Also, Rev is an interpreter, not a compiler.  Code execution is much 
slower than what you would get with a compiled language such as 
RealBasic.  This is somewhat compensated for by the fact that so many 
"slow" algorithms are already implemented and easy to access through 
simple instructions in Transcript, and can be further enhanced by using 
external routines in compiled modules bundled with your program (for 
computationally intensive tasks not easily covered by Transcript, or 
for accessing outside libraries or functions currently missing from 
Rev).  Overall though, for most functionality, Transcript is 
sufficiently fast that this is not a problem, except for 
computationally intensive algorithms.

The language itself is rather simple to learn, and allows you to write 
software quite quickly once you are on to it.

Another advantage of Rev over RealBasic is that many of the tools you 
use to develop your programs are actually included in the runtime 
engine for the programs.  Drawing/Painting tools, field layouts, etc. 
can be modified dynamically if you allow them to be, and it is possible 
to do some rather interesting things by combining the available tools.



So download the demo and give it a try.  It's not an end-all-else tool 
(nothing is), but it can be a very powerful way to create simple (and 
even very complex) programs quite rapidly.


On Dec 30, 2004, at 11:30 PM, Ken Ray wrote:

> On 12/30/04 4:42 PM, "cdunix at praevius.com" <cdunix at praevius.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Richard, point taken.  I'll begin by telling about myself.  I 
>> have
>> fairly extensive experience with the Windows API, Unix, and the 
>> Macintosh
>> environment.  I am very familiar with tools such as XCODE, GCC, etc.  
>> I have
>> recently (within the last 3 years) found that RealBasic strikes a 
>> very, very
>> good middle ground with power vs. ease of use; not sacrificing a 
>> great deal of
>> the former.  I can't really complain about their support either.  My 
>> only
>> knowledge of RunRev is what I'm reading from the website and hearing 
>> from
>> testimonials.
>>
>> I'm sure you're familiar with the saying "all science is magic until
>> discovered"
>> (or thereabouts), so basically I am curious as to whether most users 
>> are
>> novice
>> developers and are only "impressed" with RunRev because it is 
>> something they
>> can use, or if it really does pack a great deal of power along with
>> flexibility
>> to do the "complex" things.
>
> IMHO, Revolution packs a lot of power in an "easy to use" shell. I 
> know RB
> as well as Rev, and I would have to say that if your just looking for 
> raw
> functionality (i.e. can it "do" <x>), Rev and RB are very similar in
> abilties (RB does a few things Rev can't and vice-versa). However, 
> when it
> comes to *ease* of implementation (which applies to speed of 
> development and
> efficiency), as Richard pointed out, Revolution can be much easier to 
> use
> than RB (IMHO), allowing for one-liners that would take RB several 
> lines to
> implement (to be fair, this happens the other way as well, but IMHO it 
> seems
> that more often than not Rev can do things more efficiently than RB).
>
> Personally I think on of the biggest advantages that Rev has over RB 
> is that
> you can go from editing to running *immediately*; you don't need to 
> compile
> and run. So for example, if you're working on a dialog box that would
> normally take you 5 mouse clicks to get to from the start of your 
> program,
> you would have to run that sequence every time you made a simple 
> change to
> the dialog box. In Rev, you'd just switch to the browse tool, and 
> you're
> "running" immediately; you can test right away.
>
> Just my 2 cents,
>
> Ken Ray
> Sons of Thunder Software
> Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
> Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
>
>
>
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>
>
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$ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
$ true | cat /usr/manual | grep "John 3:16"
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten 
Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have 
everlasting life.
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From SimPLsol at aol.com  Fri Dec 31 12:14:19 2004
From: SimPLsol at aol.com (SimPLsol at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 12:14:19 EST
Subject: Menus at Midnight
Message-ID: <92.1d2e0587.2f06e2eb@aol.com>

     From the date stamps on the email it appears that people have been 
posting around the clock on this issue - including several nightowls here in North 
America.
     I was busy elsewhere yesterday and did not have a chance to reply to 
Richard and Chipp.

     Richard: 
     I don't remember the exact recipe that produced the stack resizing 
problems. I believe it was nothing fancy. After I found a work around I didn't look 
back. From the number of posts on this list over the last year I'd say I'm 
not alone. I didn't mention, as Ben did, the problem with coordinates of objects 
changing depending on whether there as a Mac OS menubar present.

     Chipp: 
     Yes, I did read your workaround (hiding the menu group, etc.) but by 
then I'd found the "resize in openStack" workaround and was already implementing 
that. I believe our two methods (and more, contributed by Sarah and other 
users) highlight the problem. We can make   it work because we are clever (at 
least you are clever) and we read the list religiously - but menus should "just 
work".
     You quote Scott Raney as saying "engine bugs which had known workarounds 
were lower in priority than others." This is one of the biggest philosophical 
problems I have with Revolution. I would paraphrase it "good enough rather 
than good". Of course serious, crippling, bugs need top priority but "Kludges" 
can't be ignored - particularly on fundamental things like menus. And, it seems 
to me, the Revolution team focuses more on exotic new features (which may or 
may not work) rather than dotting the "i"s and crossing the "t"s in the 
existing product - more people will use menus than unicode or SSL sockets or...

     We veteran HyperCard users tend to praise HC's simplicity, logic, and 
easy utility. But I don't know of any HC users who commend HC's color tools. 
Like the Rev. menu manager, they work (or can be made to work) but they are so 
unrefined and temperamental that they depreciate the entire user experience. I 
believe they helped solidify HC's reputation as an amateur and unreliable 
product - despite the fact most other things worked brilliantly.
     I don't remember a complaint regarding Rev.'s color handling in two 
years reading this list (there might have been one or two I missed, but I'm sure 
it is safe to say there have been more comments on menus in the last week than 
color in the last year). Rev. got color right! It just works. This is how 
menus should be.

     In my experience, there are four things that drive a new Rev user crazy. 
Three of them could be fixed rather easily. I think they all should have been 
fixed by Version 2. The most important of these is the menus. I hope the 
biocomputers in the mother ship are listening. I hope they read Ben's wonderful 
post. I hope we are pleasantly surprised when Version 3 ships.
Paul Looney

From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Dec 31 13:02:16 2004
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 10:02:16 -0800
Subject: Menus at Midnight
In-Reply-To: <92.1d2e0587.2f06e2eb@aol.com>
References: <92.1d2e0587.2f06e2eb@aol.com>
Message-ID: <41D59428.1070202@fourthworld.com>

SimPLsol at aol.com wrote:
>      Richard: 
>      I don't remember the exact recipe that produced the stack resizing 
> problems. I believe it was nothing fancy. After I found a work around I didn't look 
> back. From the number of posts on this list over the last year I'd say I'm 
> not alone. I didn't mention, as Ben did, the problem with coordinates of objects 
> changing depending on whether there as a Mac OS menubar present.

If you get a recipe please post it to Bugzilla.  Issue that cannot be 
reproduced are hard to fix (but on the upside, by definition perhaps 
they don't need to be <g>).


>      Chipp: 
>      Yes, I did read your workaround (hiding the menu group, etc.) but by 
> then I'd found the "resize in openStack" workaround and was already implementing 
> that.

Two very different issues:  Chipp was wanting to build a UI in which he 
had controls for his main window in the menu bar region.  While Rev 
makes HIG-compliant menuing automatic, what he wanted was a step outside 
the box.

Fortunately Rev was flexible enough to allow what he wanted in just two 
lines.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  __________________________________________________
  Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev

From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Dec 31 13:18:25 2004
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 10:18:25 -0800
Subject: RunRev vs RealBasic
In-Reply-To: <41D507FF.6020408@chipp.com>
References: <20041231032244.169B293010F@mail.runrev.com>
	<1104461883.41d4c03b0af3f@webmail.praevius.com> <41D507FF.6020408@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <41D597F1.6090004@fourthworld.com>

Chipp Walters wrote:
> My business partner is an accomplished C programmer. He marvels at xTalk 
> simplicity but admits it's confusing to read:
> 
> wait while it is not empty with messages

Is that Transcript or a Zen koan?

Indeed, it is both. :)

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  __________________________________________________
  Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev

From cdunix at praevius.com  Fri Dec 31 10:04:00 2004
From: cdunix at praevius.com (cdunix at praevius.com)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 10:04:00 -0500
Subject: RunRev vs RealBasic
In-Reply-To: <20041231162434.8718E9300E3@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20041231162434.8718E9300E3@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <1104505440.41d56a60235f8@webmail.praevius.com>

The ability to immediately test an interface is a very, very attractive one. 
Although "getting to the window" in test is usually dependent on other things
as well, it would still be helpful to be able to do.  I do deal with a lot of
desktop applications as well, so data persistence without the need for a DB
backend is also a requirement.  How does RunRev handle this?  Is there a native
DB format?  Are objects capable of serializing themselves or would routines need
to be written?

I really appreciate the LIST's prompt feedback!

Thanks,
Michael

> Personally I think on of the biggest advantages that Rev has over RB 
> is that
> you can go from editing to running *immediately*; you don't need to 
> compile
> and run.

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From kray at sonsothunder.com  Fri Dec 31 15:31:59 2004
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 14:31:59 -0600
Subject: RunRev vs RealBasic
In-Reply-To: <1104505440.41d56a60235f8@webmail.praevius.com>
Message-ID: <BDFB135F.CAF2%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 12/31/04 9:04 AM, "cdunix at praevius.com" <cdunix at praevius.com> wrote:

> The ability to immediately test an interface is a very, very attractive one.
> Although "getting to the window" in test is usually dependent on other things
> as well, it would still be helpful to be able to do.  I do deal with a lot of
> desktop applications as well, so data persistence without the need for a DB
> backend is also a requirement.  How does RunRev handle this?  Is there a
> native
> DB format?  Are objects capable of serializing themselves or would routines
> need
> to be written?

That's one of the beauties of Rev... data can be stored *inside* the stack
files, either as data in fields that have been saved, or as custom
properties that are stored with the stack itself. Additionally, of course,
you could also keep data in text files (or the equivalent) and read them in
as you need them. Once again, the beauty of one-liners; this reads a file
and puts its contents into a variable:

  put url("file:C:\temp.txt") into myVar

The only thing to keep in mind is that that stack that is turned in the
application executable cannot modify itself, however it *can* open Rev
stacks and store data in *them*. Here's an example - suppose you had a stack
called "Stub" that was turning into an executable, and next to it on disk
was a file called "main.rev" that was your "main" window. (I know, your apps
will be a lot more complicated than this, but bear with me.)  You could
first open your main stack from the stub in this manner:

-- Script of stack "stub"
on preOpenStack
  open stack "Main.rev"
end preOpenStack

Then, you could save a persistent variable this way in the "Main.rev" stack:

-- script of a button in the stack "Main.rev"
on mouseUp
  set the uData of this stack to "Hello, Michael"
  save this stack
end mouseUp

The custom property 'uData' will be created (if it's not already there) and
filled with the string "Hello, Michael", and then saved as part of Main.rev.
The next time Main.rev is opened, you can retrieve the value like this:

-- script of another button in the stack "Main.rev"
on mouseUp
  answer (the uData of this stack)
end mouseUp

This displays an alert dialog with the phrase "Hello, Michael" in it.

> I really appreciate the LIST's prompt feedback!

Our pleasure!

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From markgreenberg at cox.net  Fri Dec 31 16:10:11 2004
From: markgreenberg at cox.net (Mark Greenberg)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 14:10:11 -0700
Subject: Using QT Transitions
Message-ID: <5BC22968-5B70-11D9-8303-000A959B61BE@cox.net>

I must be missing something.  The Answer Effect command will bring up 
the QT dialog for a user, but what if I want the Gradient Wipe 
transition, say, as part of my stack?  The answer must be simple, but 
I'm not seeing it.  I'm using Rev 2.0 on OS X, if that makes a 
difference.

	Mark Greenberg


From chippwalters at tmail.com  Fri Dec 31 17:04:55 2004
From: chippwalters at tmail.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 16:04:55 -0600
Subject: RunRev vs RealBasic
In-Reply-To: <BDFB135F.CAF2%kray@sonsothunder.com>
References: <BDFB135F.CAF2%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <1104530699.10B579D6@g28.dngr.org>


On Fri, 31 Dec 2004 2:40 pm, Ken Ray wrote:
> That's one of the beauties of Rev... data can be stored *inside* the 
> stack
> files, either as data in fields that have been saved, or as custom
> properties that are stored with the stack itself.

A great point. I recently was able to create a compressed, encrypted 
binary data storage file using a stack and a single line of code. This 
data file stores text data along with imades in 3 different formats.

This data file is actually a stack with no business logic and is opened 
by my app invisibly and data selectively moved to the gui, edited there 
and then moved back to the inv stack to save. Talk about simple. Doing 
the same in VB would be very complicated. I imagine RB too.

Btw, regarding speed issues, I think there have been a number of speed 
coding challenges between RB and RR with no conclusive winner. Perhaps 
Frank can be more specific with regard to areas he feels RR runs slow?

Also, last time I looked, RR compiles scripts 'on the fly' like Java. 
Didn't know RB was a compiler. Must be tough on edit/compile/run/debug 
cycles. Perhaps it's an interpreter like RR and compiles during runtime? 
I don't know.

Best,
Chipp
Chipp Walters, Altuit.com
Sent from my Sidekick

From sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de  Fri Dec 31 17:11:27 2004
From: sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de (Wilhelm Sanke)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 23:11:27 +0100
Subject: Problem with field borderwidth 2
Message-ID: <41D5CE8F.6090304@hrz.uni-kassel.de>

On Thu, 30 Dec 2004, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:

> Welcome to XP.


I am uncertain whether I should be happy about this - not your 
"welcome", but about XP

> Rev now supports native appearances for fields on XP when the field's
> default values are left in place (borderWidth set to 2).  So what your
> screen show at <http://www.sanke.org/RevTestPage/>  is showing is XP's
> rendering of the field border.
>
> You'll see a similar thing on OS X: while the appearance differs from
> XP, when a field border is set to the default value of 2 OS routines are
> used to render the control instead of the engine's.
>
> I think this should be overridable.  Standard and Rectangle style
> buttons also take on native appearances, but you can override this by
> specifying a backgroundColor.
>
> Perhaps we need a Bugzilla request so that if the borderColor is set the
> OS no longer draws the control and it uses the engine's internal routines.
>
> Please post the bug number after you log it so we can vote for that
> enhancement.
>
> In the meantime a workaround is to set the style of the field to
> "shadow" instead of "rectangle" or "scrolling", and then to prevent the
> shadow from drawing set its shadowwidth to 0 (zero).  Shadow-style
> fields are always drawn by the engine, so you should get what you're
> after with those.
>
> --
>   Richard Gaskin
>   Fourth World Media Corporation



Thanks, Richard, for the information and clarification of the 
consequences of being provided with the default option of "native 
appearances". This again raises the question how we could be quickly 
informed about such consequences. I tried a search of the Rev docs, 
probably in a amateurish manner, so nothing illuminating came up.

The workaround you proposed, style "shadow" and setting "shadowoffset" 
to zero, does not solve the problem.

What really works is setting the "Look and Feel" to "Windows emulated" 
or to "Windows 95" (sic!) with Metacard.
Consequently, if you got stacks that need to have fields with a 
borderwidth of 2 in non-native XP look, you should care for that in a 
preopenstack-stack handler.

So I am unsure whether to file a Bugzilla enhancement request. What 
should I propose? To completely eliminate the borderwidth-2 related 
"native" XP appearance or to connect it with a more unlikely borderwidth 
of - let's assume - 10 pixels?

What do you think?

Best regards and anything positive for you I can imagine for a Happy New 
Year!

Wilhelm Sanke

<http://www.sanke.org/MetaMedia>



From kkaufman at snet.net  Fri Dec 31 17:30:54 2004
From: kkaufman at snet.net (Kurt Kaufman)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 17:30:54 -0500
Subject: Menu woes
In-Reply-To: <20041230170011.F11769300FB@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20041230170011.F11769300FB@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <A281C020-5B7B-11D9-A514-0003937052EC@snet.net>


On Dec 30, 2004, at 12:00 PM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com 
wrote:

> .....I don't understand:  as I read that it seems to suggest that all 
> we do
> is switch the scrolling from Mac to all other OSes, so that instead of
> the scroll taking place on 2.4% of computers it takes place on 97.6%.
>
> Remember that having the menubar be part of the window rather than
> detached is how every modern OS works except Mac.....
>

I have not followed all of the messages in this thread, so forgive me 
if this has already been suggested:
How about a simple warning (could be switched off in prefs) suggesting 
that if menus are to be used on an application to be deployed to the 
Mac platform, extra space should be allotted for them.

Kurt


From dsc at swcp.com  Fri Dec 31 17:40:53 2004
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 15:40:53 -0700
Subject: Problem with field borderwidth 2
In-Reply-To: <41D5CE8F.6090304@hrz.uni-kassel.de>
References: <41D5CE8F.6090304@hrz.uni-kassel.de>
Message-ID: <070E335A-5B7D-11D9-8859-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>


On Dec 31, 2004, at 3:11 PM, Wilhelm Sanke wrote:

> What really works is setting the "Look and Feel" to "Windows emulated" 
> or to "Windows 95" (sic!) with Metacard.
> Consequently, if you got stacks that need to have fields with a 
> borderwidth of 2 in non-native XP look, you should care for that in a 
> preopenstack-stack handler.

I'm not seeing this with my XP (or my OS X).  For any look and feel, I 
get no gap.

My engine is 2.6.1-9 for both.

> So I am unsure whether to file a Bugzilla enhancement request. What 
> should I propose? To completely eliminate the borderwidth-2 related 
> "native" XP appearance or to connect it with a more unlikely 
> borderwidth of - let's assume - 10 pixels?

I'd hate to stumble on that.  Maybe a native property could work.  (I'm 
hesitant to recommend anything since I don't see it.  My left-right 
borders with no 3D are rock solid on fields.)

Dar

**********************************************
     DSC (Dar Scott Consulting & Dar's Lab)
     http://www.swcp.com/dsc/
     Programming Services and Software
**********************************************


From dsc at swcp.com  Fri Dec 31 17:59:22 2004
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 15:59:22 -0700
Subject: Problem with field borderwidth 2
In-Reply-To: <070E335A-5B7D-11D9-8859-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
References: <41D5CE8F.6090304@hrz.uni-kassel.de>
	<070E335A-5B7D-11D9-8859-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <9C6803D8-5B7F-11D9-8859-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>


On Dec 31, 2004, at 3:40 PM, Dar Scott wrote:

> I'm not seeing this with my XP (or my OS X).  For any look and feel, I 
> get no gap.

OK.  Now I see it.  It seems to only occur with 3D on and my tests had 
it off.

Dar

**********************************************
     DSC (Dar Scott Consulting & Dar's Lab)
     http://www.swcp.com/dsc/
     Programming Services and Software
**********************************************


From dsc at swcp.com  Fri Dec 31 18:11:11 2004
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 16:11:11 -0700
Subject: Problem with field borderwidth 2
In-Reply-To: <41D46A2C.2060906@fourthworld.com>
References: <41D466B0.2000107@hrz.uni-kassel.de>
	<41D46A2C.2060906@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <42E692D7-5B81-11D9-8859-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>


On Dec 30, 2004, at 1:50 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Rev now supports native appearances for fields on XP when the field's 
> default values are left in place (borderWidth set to 2).  So what your 
> screen show at <http://www.sanke.org/RevTestPage/>  is showing is XP's 
> rendering of the field border.
>
> You'll see a similar thing on OS X: while the appearance differs from 
> XP, when a field border is set to the default value of 2 OS routines 
> are used to render the control instead of the engine's.
>
> I think this should be overridable.  Standard and Rectangle style 
> buttons also take on native appearances, but you can override this by 
> specifying a backgroundColor.
>
> Perhaps we need a Bugzilla request so that if the borderColor is set 
> the OS no longer draws the control and it uses the engine's internal 
> routines.
>
> Please post the bug number after you log it so we can vote for that 
> enhancement.
>
> In the meantime a workaround is to set the style of the field to 
> "shadow" instead of "rectangle" or "scrolling", and then to prevent 
> the shadow from drawing set its shadowwidth to 0 (zero).  Shadow-style 
> fields are always drawn by the engine, so you should get what you're 
> after with those.

Where did you get all this info?

There is nothing about special native rendering in the dictionary under 
borderWidth or threeD.

Ah, I found it under backgroundColor.

The idea of using backgroundColor to switch between OS rendering and 
internal rendering is pretty weird.  I would never have thought to 
check the dictionary for backgroundColor.

I don't like idiomatic choices.  Choices should be explicit.  A 
property could be used to switch between different rendering methods in 
a control object.

Dar


**********************************************
     DSC (Dar Scott Consulting & Dar's Lab)
     http://www.swcp.com/dsc/
     Programming Services and Software
**********************************************


From klaus at major-k.de  Fri Dec 31 18:45:15 2004
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 00:45:15 +0100
Subject: Using QT Transitions
In-Reply-To: <5BC22968-5B70-11D9-8303-000A959B61BE@cox.net>
References: <5BC22968-5B70-11D9-8303-000A959B61BE@cox.net>
Message-ID: <053489E0-5B86-11D9-B059-000A27B49A96@major-k.de>

Hi Mark,

> I must be missing something.  The Answer Effect command will bring up 
> the QT dialog for a user, but what if I want the Gradient Wipe 
> transition, say, as part of my stack?  The answer must be simple, but 
> I'm not seeing it.  I'm using Rev 2.0 on OS X, if that makes a 
> difference.

probably the best way to store QT transitions is to use 
customproperties.

Like:

...
answer effect
set the QTgradientwipe1 of this stack to it
## or whatever name you choose
...

This way it will be saved with the stack and you can use it later with:

...
set the effectrate to 500
# ***
visual the QTgradientwipe1 of this stack very slow
## Will take 500 millisecs now
go next cd
## or whatever...
...

*** Us "the effectrate" (in millisecs!) to control the "very slow" 
transition speed...?!
Yes, it is a bit semantically challenging to understand that the "very 
slow" speed
(see the docs for "visual") can be controlled with "the effectrate" 
this way ;-)

Hope that helps...

> 	Mark Greenberg

Regards and a happy new year from germany! :-)

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de


P.S.
Now back to the party!!!! 8-D


From drothe at optusnet.com.au  Fri Dec 31 19:20:58 2004
From: drothe at optusnet.com.au (D.Rothe)
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 10:20:58 +1000
Subject: Setting more than 1 textStyle
Message-ID: <003001c4ef97$c5f4a020$97f6a4cb@p4c2ghz>

On 12/26/04 9:16 PM, "D.Rothe" <drothe at optusnet.com.au> wrote:

> Setting more than 1 textStyle
> With the following script it obviously sets the hilited word of a field to the
> chosen style. Select another style and it resets the word to plain text before
> applying the new style!
> How can I set the hilited word to more than one textStyle.... e.g Bold, Italic
> & Underlined or what ever combination?
> Is there a way to lock the text first or ???????????????

No, you get the textStyle of the selection, and then add another style to
make a combination. For e.g, if the textStyle if "plain", you replace it
with "bold", "italic", etc. If it is something other than "plain", you add
it with a comma between: "bold,italic", "italic,underline",
"bold,italic,underline", etc.

Yep all sorted out, thanx for the input, I used the following code for each style;

    if textStyle of the hilitedText is empty then
    set textStyle of the hilitedText to "bold"
    else
    set textStyle of the hilitedText to \
   (textStyle of the hilitedText) & comma & "bold"
    end if

Thank & Cheers Dwayne...

From drothe at optusnet.com.au  Fri Dec 31 19:23:47 2004
From: drothe at optusnet.com.au (D.Rothe)
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 10:23:47 +1000
Subject: Line Numbers
Message-ID: <003901c4ef98$29bcc100$97f6a4cb@p4c2ghz>

G'Day and Happy New Year to all!!!!!!!!

I am hoping someone could guide me with the following prob.
I have two fields (field 1 & field 2), field 2 is for loading and displaying a txt file and field 1
is for displaying each corresponding line number of field 2.
The line numbers must be in a seperate field otherwise they will show when printing field 2.

Obviously field 2 is a scrolling field so the problem is getting field 1 to scroll in unison with field 2 so the line numbers match the correct line. 

Any ideas on the code or maybe a different solution!!!!

Thanx to all.....

Cheers Dwayne...

From SimPLsol at aol.com  Fri Dec 31 20:24:08 2004
From: SimPLsol at aol.com (SimPLsol at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 20:24:08 EST
Subject: Menu woes
Message-ID: <74.4a33723b.2f0755b8@aol.com>

Then you end up with Mac stacks that are 20 pixels taller than the 
corresponding Windows stack; the vertical location of all objects on the Mac stack will 
be 20 pixels greater than on the Windows stack.
PL

From alex at tweedly.net  Fri Dec 31 21:25:00 2004
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 02:25:00 +0000
Subject: Line Numbers
In-Reply-To: <003901c4ef98$29bcc100$97f6a4cb@p4c2ghz>
References: <003901c4ef98$29bcc100$97f6a4cb@p4c2ghz>
Message-ID: <41D609FC.9090903@tweedly.net>

D.Rothe wrote:

>G'Day and Happy New Year to all!!!!!!!!
>
>I am hoping someone could guide me with the following prob.
>I have two fields (field 1 & field 2), field 2 is for loading and displaying a txt file and field 1
>is for displaying each corresponding line number of field 2.
>The line numbers must be in a seperate field otherwise they will show when printing field 2.
>
>Obviously field 2 is a scrolling field so the problem is getting field 1 to scroll in unison with field 2 so the line numbers match the correct line. 
>
>Any ideas on the code or maybe a different solution!!!!
>  
>
  put URL "file:temp.txt" into tData
  put empty into tDisplayData
  put 0 into tCounter
  repeat for each line L in tData
    put tCounter && L & cr after tDisplayData
    add 1 to tCounter
  end repeat
  put tDisplayData  into field "Field"

It may look clumsy to scan through each line like this - but Rev is very 
fast at doing that. This did my 6000 line, 1 Mb file in about 80 
millisecs - so you don't need to worry about speed.

You could also do it by some variation of   setting the vscroll of field 
1 to the thumbpos of field 2
but I just find it easier to do it this way.

You could also do it by putting the two fields into a group and 
scrolling the group (I think - haven't tried that way myself).

Happy New Year !!
-- Alex.




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From kray at sonsothunder.com  Fri Dec 31 21:57:53 2004
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 20:57:53 -0600
Subject: Line Numbers
In-Reply-To: <003901c4ef98$29bcc100$97f6a4cb@p4c2ghz>
Message-ID: <BDFB6DD1.CB42%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 12/31/04 6:23 PM, "D.Rothe" <drothe at optusnet.com.au> wrote:

> Obviously field 2 is a scrolling field so the problem is getting field 1 to
> scroll in unison with field 2 so the line numbers match the correct line.

Alex helped you with part 1, here's how to do part 2:

--Script of fld 1
on scrollBarDrag
  set the scroll of fld 2 to the scroll of me
end scrollBarDrag

--Script of fld 2
on scrollBarDrag
  set the scroll of fld 1 to the scroll of me
end scrollBarDrag


Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com