From jhj at jhj.com Sat Nov 1 00:21:52 2003 From: jhj at jhj.com (jerry j) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 21:21:52 -0800 Subject: Command option In-Reply-To: <20031029170011.545FA9300FA@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <4CF1848E-0C2B-11D8-B3DF-003065B58254@jhj.com> Jacque wrote: > > This lets me control-tab to change tools. I never could get used to the > Cmd-9/0 thing because it requires the wrong hand. Jim Hurley wrote: > Thanks for this tip. Interesting that the right hand is the left hand > in this instance. Very sinister. And that the right hand is also the wrong hand. Jerry Jensen "thats the hand to use... well, nevermind" -- Bob Dylan From igor at pixelmedia.com.au Sat Nov 1 00:25:12 2003 From: igor at pixelmedia.com.au (Igor Couto) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 16:25:12 +1100 Subject: Screen Flicker on WindowShape Change In-Reply-To: <3FA322A1.50805@hyperactivesw.com> References: <0ED35081-0BF6-11D8-AF91-000393AD9396@pixelmedia.com.au> <3FA322A1.50805@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: Dear Jacqueline, Thank you for the info! On 01/11/2003, at 2:04 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: >> When I change the windowShape of a stack (from using one image to >> another as a shape mask), regardless of whether I 'lock screen', I >> always get a bad screen flicker. > > It can't be avoided. The OS draws the window, and the old window has > to be erased. > Damn! I should have realised that... Nevertheless, I seem to remember someone mentioning a trick which involved taking a screen shot, and making screen transitions between screen shots somehow... Does anyone remember what that was in regards to, and whether that would work in this context? Many, many thank, -- Igor de Oliveira Couto ------------------------------ ------------------------------ From xslaugh at hotmail.com Sat Nov 1 01:20:48 2003 From: xslaugh at hotmail.com (Scott Slaugh) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 23:20:48 -0700 Subject: Revolution review in MacAddict Message-ID: >>For those interested, a review of Revolution 2.1 from the November issue >>is available online. The URL is >>. > >I would like to see this scripting language called Transport! > Yeah, that is a small inaccuracy. I actually learned about this article over on revJournal. The url to that article is . I'd been watching the MacAddict site, waiting for the article to go online so I could read it. In the revJournal article, Alan Golub mentions that the language was incorrectly named Transport, and several other inaccuracies of the article. Scott Slaugh _________________________________________________________________ Cheer a special someone with a fun Halloween eCard from American Greetings! Go to http://www.msn.americangreetings.com/index_msn.pd?source=msne134 From alex at mindlube.com Sat Nov 1 01:41:33 2003 From: alex at mindlube.com (Alex Rice) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 23:41:33 -0700 Subject: [OT] 1344 bit encryption In-Reply-To: <3F6B4F68-0C07-11D8-8D43-000393881C54@kwinter.ca> References: <3F6B4F68-0C07-11D8-8D43-000393881C54@kwinter.ca> Message-ID: <6EB26B9A-0C36-11D8-A1A7-000393C4760A@mindlube.com> On Oct 31, 2003, at 6:03 PM, David Kwinter wrote: > Dear revolutionaries, > > http://www.securstar.com/ makes a really mean 1344-bit "military > strength" encryption program. It's PC only - and I can well enough > imagine how slow it runs in Virtual PC.. Does anyone know of a cross > platform 1344-bit or similar program? > > Thanks for any pointers, Upgrade to Mac OS 10.3 and you get encrypted filesystem options built into the OS. re: securstar Don't let the "bits" of a product convince you of it's strength. There is a company selling a "million-bit" crypto software and Bruce Schneier ripped them apart in his Crypto-Gram newsletter. See The Doghouse: Meganet . Schneier, a top crypto expert, is renowned for advocating common sense, practicality, and human factors in security and risk management, instead of the "magic fairy dust" approach that some software companies would like to sell you. I've never used Securstar myself. But some googling around reveals no negative reviews, and there is a previous open source project, Scramdisk, the authors of which parted ways and some went on to develop securstar/drivecrypt. See for arguments pro and con about the move from free/open-source product to fully commercial/closed product. Securstar is probably a fine product, technically. Thanks for posting this David- I remembered I want to order Schneier latest book _Beyond Fear_. Alex Rice | Mindlube Software | what a waste of thumbs that are opposable to make machines that are disposable -Ani DiFranco From alex at mindlube.com Sat Nov 1 01:57:01 2003 From: alex at mindlube.com (Alex Rice) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 23:57:01 -0700 Subject: [OT] Rev on Linux PPC - Would you use it? In-Reply-To: <42D1944A-0C02-11D8-AF91-000393AD9396@pixelmedia.com.au> References: <42D1944A-0C02-11D8-AF91-000393AD9396@pixelmedia.com.au> Message-ID: <9815BBEC-0C38-11D8-A1A7-000393C4760A@mindlube.com> On Oct 31, 2003, at 5:28 PM, Igor Couto wrote: > So, IF YOU WOULD CONSIDER USING A LINUX PPC VERSION OF REV, please > DROP ME A LINE. If there is enough show of interest in this topic, > then I will message the RunRev team, and let them know that we'd > suppor their efforts in that area! Not to flood the list with "me too's" but... me too. Looking at Rev's target audience, it makes a more sense to substitute Linux PPC for RS/6000 or HP-UX (or if a substitution is required- otherwise just add it in there with the platforms) I've used LinuxPPC in the past, and one of my coworkers currently runs Linux development (not Rev development though) machines on old cast-off Macs. Occasionally you *will* run into bizarre hardware conflicts with LinuxPPC. Occasionally I couldn't get my Mac to boot Linux at all. Sometimes kernel panics. This was about 3 years ago. Today, it's sometimes firmware issues. There was this one server that would not reboot after a power outage, because of some problem with the openfirmware. (not good for a server machine). So Linux PPC is definitely more bleeding edge then x86-PC Linux which much more widely used and tested. It's an interesting point you make about getting $200 fully-featured Mac workstations. Old x86 PC slow computers are so abundant it's hard to even *give* them away. But the key phrase that I have to agree with is _fully-featured_. Macs are always "loaded". Modem, ethernet, sound, video. The homogeneity of Mac hardware configurations is something that makes life easier as compared with the PC camp where who knows what combination of hardware is thrown into that beige box. Alex Rice | Mindlube Software | what a waste of thumbs that are opposable to make machines that are disposable -Ani DiFranco From psahores at easynet.fr Sat Nov 1 04:56:21 2003 From: psahores at easynet.fr (Pierre Sahores) Date: 01 Nov 2003 10:56:21 +0100 Subject: [OT] Rev on Linux PPC - Would you use it? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1067680580.2785.34.camel@www.kmax.ici> Le sam 01/11/2003 ? 04:46, Ken Norris a ?crit : > Hi Igor, > > > Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 11:28:05 +1100 > > From: Igor Couto > > Subject: [OT] Rev on Linux PPC - Would you use it? > > > So, IF YOU WOULD CONSIDER USING A LINUX PPC VERSION OF REV, please DROP > > ME A LINE. If there is enough show of interest in this topic, then I > > will message the RunRev team, and let them know that we'd suppor their > > efforts in that area! > ---------- > Absolutely. I'm not much enamored with the giant, memory-sucking OS' > (Windows XP/Mac OSX Panther). YellowDog Linux sounds good to me, and will > give my disabled users a leg up with cheaper machines. I'd love to do my > developing there. > > Ken N. > Hi Igor and All, A LinuxPPC issue of Rev would be really helpfull, for me too... In the past (1998/2002), my first MC/Rev development platform was the Suse LinuxPPC and, because, my customers preferences for the x86 world, Suse Linux x86 was my first deployment/production platform. When Suse dicide to discontinue the LinuxPPC issue of its distro, and because my last IBook2.2 was no more supported by the Suse 7.3 issue (XFree86), i switched to YellowDog 3... In the same time, Scott decide to discontinue the LinuxPPC edition of a MC 2.5 engine, in considering that it would be more difficult to compile the 2.5 engine for LinuxPPC than to invite two customers (was, Andu Novac and me) switch to the x86 development/deployment platform... So ! I'm sure Scott was fully right and i'm sure, too, that a Rev's LinuxPPC engine could be back, if enough of us let the Rev's team know about : please, if possible, give us a LinuxPPC engine back ;-) -- Best Regards, Pierre Sahores 100, rue de Paris F - 77140 Nemours psahores at easynet.fr GSM: +33 6 03 95 77 70 Pro: +33 1 41 60 52 68 Dom: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Fax: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Inspection acad?mique de Seine-Saint-Denis Applications et SGBD ACID SQL (WEB et PGI) Penser et produire "delta de productivit?" From rcozens at pon.net Sat Nov 1 09:06:01 2003 From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 07:06:01 -0700 Subject: [OT] 1344 bit encryption In-Reply-To: <3F6B4F68-0C07-11D8-8D43-000393881C54@kwinter.ca> References: <3F6B4F68-0C07-11D8-8D43-000393881C54@kwinter.ca> Message-ID: >Does anyone know of a cross platform 1344-bit or similar program? Hi David, I assume this is for domestic purposes, or that you are aware of US government restrictions on the export of encryption software supporting keys > 64 bits: From the Rev IPC group: >> 1. Very few restrictions exists if the encryption level is 64 bit or lower. 2. Just to post encryption source code to the internet requires notification, beyond that it is OK to post the source code. Including the encryption source code in the libIPC means that it will have to be restricted under ENC review. Someone will have to file papers and get approval to release higher than 64 bit encryption. some cryptoExportSpeek: (3) Eligible software. All software that is controlled by the Commerce Control List (Supplement No.1 to part 774 of the EAR), and under Commerce licensing jurisdiction, is eligible for export and reexport, subject to the restrictions of this paragraph (c). Encryption software controlled for "EI" reasons under ECCN 5D002 is eligible for export and reexport under this paragraph (c), provided that the exporter has submitted the information described in paragraph (c)(8) of this section by the time of export. Final encryption products produced by the testing consignee are subject to any applicable provisions in ??742.15(b)(2) of the EAR (for mass market encryption commodities and software with symmetric key length exceeding 64-bits) or ??740.17 of the EAR (License Exception ENC), including review and reporting requirements. << FWIW, thanks to Mark Brownell, the IPC group's library will support Blowfish encryption in a future release; but only to 64 bits because of the legal issues. -- Rob Cozens CCW, Serendipity Software Company http://www.oenolog.net/who.htm "And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three; Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee." from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631) From gizmotron at earthlink.net Sat Nov 1 10:37:03 2003 From: gizmotron at earthlink.net (Mark Brownell) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 07:37:03 -0800 Subject: [OT] 1344 bit encryption In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3E0A2064-0C81-11D8-B163-000A95859272@earthlink.net> On Saturday, November 1, 2003, at 06:06 AM, Rob Cozens wrote: > FWIW, thanks to Mark Brownell, the IPC group's library will support > Blowfish encryption in a future release; but only to 64 bits because > of the legal issues. And thanks to Ro Nagey and Tuviah Snyder I'm working on improving my version of rev_blowfish towards CBC, cipher block chaining. My version was first worked out in ECB, electronic code book mode. So this new capability will be added to the library as a mode feature. On the other hand I will probably get written permission to post the rev_blowfish source code after Rev has its own SSL encryption capability built in. This will be the full 448 bit encryption. It will be up to the developer that uses it to comply with export regulations if they add it to their standalone apps. Mark Brownell From klaus at major-k.de Sat Nov 1 10:56:42 2003 From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 16:56:42 +0100 Subject: OT: iSight Message-ID: Hi folks, short question, but a bit off-topic... If you own an iSight, could you please check if it is working correctly? I mean, here my iSight acts like a MIRROR and not like a CAMERA!!! Means everything is mirror-inverted!!! Try to read something via iSight :-( Thank you for your attention... We should keep this OFF-List, i think... Regards Klaus Major klaus at major-k.de www.major-k.de From gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com Sat Nov 1 11:37:08 2003 From: gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com (Geoff Canyon) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 08:37:08 -0800 Subject: [OT] Spirit of the Season In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Scott, you rock. regards, Geoff Canyon gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com On Oct 30, 2003, at 10:48 AM, Scott Rossi wrote: > go stack url > "http://www.tactilemedia.com/mediaplayer/stacks/games/ouija/ouija.rev" From alex at mindlube.com Sat Nov 1 11:38:03 2003 From: alex at mindlube.com (Alex Rice) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 09:38:03 -0700 Subject: [OT] 1344 bit encryption In-Reply-To: References: <3F6B4F68-0C07-11D8-8D43-000393881C54@kwinter.ca> Message-ID: On Nov 1, 2003, at 7:06 AM, Rob Cozens wrote: > > I assume this is for domestic purposes, or that you are aware of US > government restrictions on the export of encryption software > supporting keys > 64 bits: Rob and Mark- David didn't state his intent for the crypto, but the URL he posted was for a consumer product for disk encryption. Why should he be worried about export restrictions? BTW I thought US export restrictions were eased because the Feds realized they were really messing things up for US software companies not being able to compete internationally? Alex Rice | Mindlube Software | what a waste of thumbs that are opposable to make machines that are disposable -Ani DiFranco From gizmotron at earthlink.net Sat Nov 1 12:27:58 2003 From: gizmotron at earthlink.net (Mark Brownell) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 09:27:58 -0800 Subject: [OT] 1344 bit encryption In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Saturday, November 1, 2003, at 08:38 AM, Alex Rice wrote: > BTW I thought US export restrictions were eased because the Feds > realized they were really messing things up for US software companies > not being able to compete internationally? Alex, This is the new eased export improvements, how do you like them? :-) nothing to the bad 7 nations, 64 bit to some, 128 bit to others, licenses through a revue process only and in writing. All this applies if you provide a point in your software where the user can change the encryption key used to encrypt/decrypt. Mark From pixelbird at interisland.net Sat Nov 1 12:49:13 2003 From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris) Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 09:49:13 -0800 Subject: Opening stacks In-Reply-To: <20031031192731.2F21C93007B@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: Hi Rob, > From: Rob Cozens > Subject: Re: Opening stacks > To: How to use Revolution > >> How do I get (non-standalone) stacks to open Rev when I >> doubleclick the file? > > Hi Ken, > > Double-clicking does it for me on Mac OS 10.2. ---------- Hmmm. I didn't know that, but... I'm in OS 9.2.1, and double-clicking doesn't work under Rev 2.0.1. The Macs I may be using for some projects will not run OSX. So can I do something to the stack files, other than standalone? Right now, I keep a Rev alias in the folders, and I D&D the stack onto the Rev alias icon, which opens it in Rev, so it's no big deal. I was just wondering. Ken N. Ken N. From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu Sat Nov 1 16:34:33 2003 From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 13:34:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: Software at the Speed of Thought - ebook imminent In-Reply-To: <97.400208f9.2cd49020@aol.com> Message-ID: I believe the 'long-promised Rev. documentation' has been long-available: http://secure.runrev.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=RROS&Category_Code=RM US$99. Judy On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 SimPLsol at aol.com wrote: > Is this the long-promised Rev. documentation. If so, why the charge? If not, > then when? > Paul Looney > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From mdswindell at charter.net Sat Nov 1 16:34:58 2003 From: mdswindell at charter.net (Mark Swindell) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 13:34:58 -0800 Subject: OT: iSight In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3DAB1F81-0CB3-11D8-B979-000A95A6A8DA@charter.net> On Nov 1, 2003, at 7:56 AM, Klaus Major wrote: > Hi folks, > > short question, but a bit off-topic... > > If you own an iSight, could you please check if it is working > correctly? > > I mean, here my iSight acts like a MIRROR and not like a CAMERA!!! > > Means everything is mirror-inverted!!! > > Try to read something via iSight :-( > > Thank you for your attention... > > > We should keep this OFF-List, i think... > > > Regards > > Klaus Major > klaus at major-k.de > www.major-k.de > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu Sat Nov 1 16:41:53 2003 From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 13:41:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: [OT] Rev on Linux PPC - Would you use it? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: My lone linux student (using an intel box I think) has complained mightily to me that he's had nothing but trouble trying to use the 30-day eval version and so has given up (and hence won't be buying it anytime soon). (Mind you -- it's not like he's given me any specifics and just seemed to be in a complaining mood). Do any Rev Linux users out there have any general tips or 'gotcha's' that they can pass along? The MacAddict review noted that Rev seems to crash unexpectedly, but I've honestly not had that problem since the OSX appearance manager thingy got fixed... It crashes ALOT in the class lab, but the machines in there only have 128 MB RAM. Thanks, Judy On Fri, 31 Oct 2003, Bill Vlahos wrote: > I would like to deploy my apps for PPC Linux although I will continue > to use OS X as my primary development platform. > > I don't know if it would be easier for RunRev to resume making the > distribution engine for PPC Linux even if they don't make an IDE for > it. Obviously it would be best to have everything for every platform > but that would at least let me deploy for PPC Linux. > > Revolution offers the linux community exactly what it needs but doesn't > have...a powerful yet easy to use programming environment. If I was a > Linux freak I'd be all over Revolution. > > Of course having to actually buy software goes against the grain of > most of the linux users I know. I'd be curious to know how well any of > the Rev apps you folks have been selling are actually getting money > from linux users. I wrote an electronic phone book for my previous > company which the Mac and Windows community loved, but the linux users > looked down on it because it was a "GUI app" and they "already had > finger" (and that app was even free). > > Bill Vlahos > > On Friday, October 31, 2003, at 04:28 PM, Igor Couto wrote: > > > So, IF YOU WOULD CONSIDER USING A LINUX PPC VERSION OF REV, please > > DROP ME A LINE. If there is enough show of interest in this topic, > > then I will message the RunRev team, and let them know that we'd > > suppor their efforts in that area! > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From martin at harbourtown.co.uk Sat Nov 1 16:45:39 2003 From: martin at harbourtown.co.uk (Martin Baxter) Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 21:45:39 +0000 Subject: [OT] Rev on Linux PPC - Would you use it? Message-ID: > On Oct 31 Igor Couto wrote: > So, IF YOU WOULD CONSIDER USING A LINUX PPC VERSION OF REV, please > DROP ME A LINE. If there is enough show of interest in this topic, > then I will message the RunRev team, and let them know that we'd > suppor their efforts in that area! I've recently installed LinuxPPC here to newbie-about on and at this time it would be very nice for me to have revolution in there, for all sorts of reasons. It's not hard to understand that it could be uneconomic for the company to produce it, but even if LinuxPPC releases appeared less frequently than those for the more popular platforms, I would still welcome that as better than no support. martin baxter From alex at mindlube.com Sat Nov 1 17:38:46 2003 From: alex at mindlube.com (Alex Rice) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 15:38:46 -0700 Subject: [OT] 1344 bit encryption In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <275FD07E-0CBC-11D8-9B01-000393C4760A@mindlube.com> On Nov 1, 2003, at 10:27 AM, Mark Brownell wrote: > This is the new eased export improvements, how do you like them? :-) > > nothing to the bad 7 nations, 64 bit to some, 128 bit to others, > licenses through a revue process only and in writing. All this applies > if you provide a point in your software where the user can change the > encryption key used to encrypt/decrypt. Blech! That's bad news. Thanks, Alex Rice | Mindlube Software | what a waste of thumbs that are opposable to make machines that are disposable -Ani DiFranco From psahores at easynet.fr Sat Nov 1 17:49:06 2003 From: psahores at easynet.fr (Pierre Sahores) Date: 01 Nov 2003 23:49:06 +0100 Subject: [OT] Rev on Linux PPC - Would you use it? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1067726946.2786.88.camel@www.kmax.ici> Hi Judy, Le sam 01/11/2003 ? 22:41, Judy Perry a ?crit : > My lone linux student (using an intel box I think) has complained mightily > to me that he's had nothing but trouble trying to use the 30-day eval > version and so has given up (and hence won't be buying it anytime soon). > (Mind you -- it's not like he's given me any specifics and just seemed to > be in a complaining mood). > > Do any Rev Linux users out there have any general tips or 'gotcha's' that > they can pass along? Because the Linux Rev's issues have probably not been extensivelly tested under many kind of Linux distributions, a newbie can get some troubbles in running Rev under Linux. The best to do is to install it under a RedHat distro and to test Rev under differents XFree86 graphical desktop managers, Gnome, first, and KDE, last. For my own, to avoid possibles problems, i'm still running MC 2.5 under Linux (Suse 8 Pro x86) and Rev 2.1.1 under MacOSX (Jaguar). Hope this help ! Best Regards, Pierre > > The MacAddict review noted that Rev seems to crash unexpectedly, but I've > honestly not had that problem since the OSX appearance manager thingy got > fixed... It crashes ALOT in the class lab, but the machines in there only > have 128 MB RAM. > > Thanks, > > Judy > > On Fri, 31 Oct 2003, Bill Vlahos wrote: > > > I would like to deploy my apps for PPC Linux although I will continue > > to use OS X as my primary development platform. > > > > I don't know if it would be easier for RunRev to resume making the > > distribution engine for PPC Linux even if they don't make an IDE for > > it. Obviously it would be best to have everything for every platform > > but that would at least let me deploy for PPC Linux. > > > > Revolution offers the linux community exactly what it needs but doesn't > > have...a powerful yet easy to use programming environment. If I was a > > Linux freak I'd be all over Revolution. > > > > Of course having to actually buy software goes against the grain of > > most of the linux users I know. I'd be curious to know how well any of > > the Rev apps you folks have been selling are actually getting money > > from linux users. I wrote an electronic phone book for my previous > > company which the Mac and Windows community loved, but the linux users > > looked down on it because it was a "GUI app" and they "already had > > finger" (and that app was even free). > > > > Bill Vlahos > > > > On Friday, October 31, 2003, at 04:28 PM, Igor Couto wrote: > > > > > So, IF YOU WOULD CONSIDER USING A LINUX PPC VERSION OF REV, please > > > DROP ME A LINE. If there is enough show of interest in this topic, > > > then I will message the RunRev team, and let them know that we'd > > > suppor their efforts in that area! > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores 100, rue de Paris F - 77140 Nemours psahores at easynet.fr GSM: +33 6 03 95 77 70 Pro: +33 1 41 60 52 68 Dom: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Fax: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Inspection acad?mique de Seine-Saint-Denis Applications et SGBD ACID SQL (WEB et PGI) Penser et produire "delta de productivit?" From david at kwinter.ca Sat Nov 1 18:49:54 2003 From: david at kwinter.ca (David Kwinter) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 16:49:54 -0700 Subject: [OT] 1344 bit encryption In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <17884D20-0CC6-11D8-8E65-000393881C54@kwinter.ca> That's right Alex, I just need to protect some sensitive stuff of my own computer, not to be included in any salable product. In any event, I'm Canadian, and DriveCrypt is German so I really couldn't care less about US cryptography laws. I'm still looking out for a cross-platform product (as I mentioned in my original post). Unless I find something very soon, I'll be purchasing DriveCrypt next week. In the event that my PC laptop is stolen, I'll use DriveCrypt on my Mac under VirtualPC to resurrect my backed-up protected data. On Saturday, November 1, 2003, at 09:38 AM, Alex Rice wrote: > > On Nov 1, 2003, at 7:06 AM, Rob Cozens wrote: > >> >> I assume this is for domestic purposes, or that you are aware of US >> government restrictions on the export of encryption software >> supporting keys > 64 bits: > > Rob and Mark- David didn't state his intent for the crypto, but the > URL he posted was for a consumer product for disk encryption. Why > should he be worried about export restrictions? > > > BTW I thought US export restrictions were eased because the Feds > realized they were really messing things up for US software companies > not being able to compete internationally? > > > Alex Rice | Mindlube Software | > > > what a waste of thumbs that are opposable > to make machines that are disposable -Ani DiFranco > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From gizmotron at earthlink.net Sat Nov 1 19:24:03 2003 From: gizmotron at earthlink.net (Mark Brownell) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 16:24:03 -0800 Subject: [OT] 1344 bit encryption In-Reply-To: <275FD07E-0CBC-11D8-9B01-000393C4760A@mindlube.com> Message-ID: On Saturday, November 1, 2003, at 02:38 PM, Alex Rice wrote: > On Nov 1, 2003, at 10:27 AM, Mark Brownell wrote: >> This is the new eased export improvements, how do you like them? :-) >> >> nothing to the bad 7 nations, 64 bit to some, 128 bit to others, >> licenses through a revue process only and in writing. All this >> applies if you provide a point in your software where the user can >> change the encryption key used to encrypt/decrypt. > > Blech! That's bad news. > > Thanks, > > > Alex Rice If you sell software using Kagi then they will not sell to countries that shouldn't get your software for you. This is good enough if you are selling encryption software. You just have to make the effort to license your higher level applications first. Mark From plsntbreez at mac.com Sat Nov 1 19:23:53 2003 From: plsntbreez at mac.com (Brian Maher) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 19:23:53 -0500 Subject: Software at the Speed of Thought - ebook imminent In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Judy, > I believe the 'long-promised Rev. documentation' has been > long-available: > > http://secure.runrev.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc? > Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=RROS&Category_Code=RM > > > US$99. Orderable? Yes. Available? No. I just cancelled my order for the documentation as it has been a few days more than 3 months since I ordered it (and my credit card was charged) and it still has not shipped. Personally, I don't think they should be accepting orders for something that has not been available for that length of time. Brian From capellan2000 at yahoo.com Sat Nov 1 19:29:37 2003 From: capellan2000 at yahoo.com (Alejandro Tejada) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 16:29:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: Multimedia Mania Awards 2004 In-Reply-To: <20031102004851.09E0993008F@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <20031102002937.39028.qmail@web40505.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Revolutionaries! Recently, while applying for a membership of ISTE, International Society for Technology in Education, (www.iste.org) I knew about their Multimedia Mania Awards at: http://www.ncsu.edu/mmania/ and checking for the software/hardware resources at this page: http://www.iste.org/resources/tech-integration/software.cfm I notice that neither MetaCard or Revolution are listed. I will copy here the info about these awards, so teachers that read this message, visit their pages and prepare for participating if it looks interesting. :) MultimediaMania 2004 An Award for Classroom Excellence by HyperSIG Multimedia Special Interest Group of ISTE! Multimedia Mania awards program is for students and teachers who use multimedia to teach and learn in a specific content area (e.g. math, science, social studies, language arts, art, music, physical education, ESL, etc.) Students are invited to share their work with an international audience by creating dynamic multimedia projects related to any class or coursework. Multimedia Mania winners usually come from classrooms in which technology is used as a tool to teach and learn any standard curriculum. Teachers may coach and advise, but work must be completed by students in grades K-12. Participants are encouraged to incorporate 3-D design, video, animation, and any other multimedia techniques that may enhance the design of the project, but inclusion of lengthy videos is discouraged. Submission of video projects is discouraged as they are inappropriate for this award contest. Heavy emphasis will be placed on originality, alignment to curriculum or course content, project design, and proper use and documentation of resources. Participants will also gain points if most of their projects are constructed within the classroom. The intent is to provide realistic models to share with other classroom teachers. The primary GOAL of Multimedia Mania is to find real, working models of the skillful integration of technology into a typical classroom setting in a specific content area. Alejandro Tejada ===== Visit my site: http://www.geocities.com/capellan2000/ Search the mail list: http://mindlube.com/cgi-bin/search-use-rev.cgi __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From itrunrev at itinfo.dk Sat Nov 1 19:35:20 2003 From: itrunrev at itinfo.dk (Carsten Levin) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 01:35:20 +0100 Subject: Documentation, orderable but not available In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <70868011-0CCC-11D8-8DE0-000A95C49B80@itinfo.dk> This doesnt sound to good. But I must admit that every order we have placed with RunRev during the last 3 years have been fulfilled correctly. Best regards Carsten On 2/11-2003, at 1.23, Brian Maher wrote: > Hi Judy, > >> I believe the 'long-promised Rev. documentation' has been >> long-available: >> >> http://secure.runrev.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc? >> Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=RROS&Category_Code=RM >> >> >> US$99. > > Orderable? Yes. Available? No. > > I just cancelled my order for the documentation as it has been a few > days more than 3 months since I ordered it (and my credit card was > charged) and it still has not shipped. > > Personally, I don't think they should be accepting orders for > something that has not been available for that length of time. > > Brian > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From capellan2000 at yahoo.com Sat Nov 1 19:59:23 2003 From: capellan2000 at yahoo.com (Alejandro Tejada) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 16:59:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: Runtime Revolution in the classroom In-Reply-To: <20031102004851.09E0993008F@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <20031102005923.33331.qmail@web40507.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Revolutionaries! I was looking for recomended guidelines on the use of xCards in the classrooms. For now, I have found this information: http://d2.virt.pciwest.net/L&L/27/7/features/painter/rubric.html Notice that this page is from the magazine: Learning & Leading with Technology ISTE publish another magazine: Journal of Research on Technology in Education Teachers that use Revolution in the classroom will benefit from having a central repository of specific information and experiences for this platform. What others highly useful sources of information do you use frecuently in your work as a teacher? Alejandro Tejada ===== Visit my site: http://www.geocities.com/capellan2000/ Search the mail list: http://mindlube.com/cgi-bin/search-use-rev.cgi __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From capellan2000 at yahoo.com Sat Nov 1 21:20:09 2003 From: capellan2000 at yahoo.com (Alejandro Tejada) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 18:20:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [OT] Spirit of the Season In-Reply-To: <20031102004851.09E0993008F@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <20031102022009.48983.qmail@web40509.mail.yahoo.com> on Thu Oct 30 10:48:53 EST 2003 Scott Rossi wrote: >To celebrate the upcoming end of October, >we cobbled together a spooky little diversion. >go stack url "http://www.tactilemedia.com/mediaplayer/stacks/games/ouija/ouija.rev" Hi Scott, If you convert this stack to a stack for Creativity, Inspiration, Idea starter (with new phrases added via web updates) then we can have an extraordinary resource that will be useful everyday, not only in Halloween. :) I remember that someone wrote one like this in Hypercard, but could not find it in my archives. :( Al ===== Visit my site: http://www.geocities.com/capellan2000/ Search the mail list: http://mindlube.com/cgi-bin/search-use-rev.cgi __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From bvlahos at mac.com Sat Nov 1 21:19:53 2003 From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 18:19:53 -0800 Subject: [OT] 1344 bit encryption In-Reply-To: <17884D20-0CC6-11D8-8E65-000393881C54@kwinter.ca> References: <17884D20-0CC6-11D8-8E65-000393881C54@kwinter.ca> Message-ID: <0B2655D7-0CDB-11D8-9DDD-003065EC5590@mac.com> If you are using Mac OS X 10.2.x (Jaguar) then you can create encrypted disk images using the built in Disk Copy program. Just create an encrypted disk image and it behaves like any drive. To use it just copy files to it. If you are using Mac OS X 10.3.x (Panther) there is an even easier-to-use built in feature called FileVault which encrypts your entire home directory automatically once you turn it on. Both of these are free and available now. I believe all you need to do for VirtualPC is to have it point to a Mac volume which is encrypted to get your protection. Bill Vlahos On Nov 1, 2003, at 3:49 PM, David Kwinter wrote: > That's right Alex, I just need to protect some sensitive stuff of my > own computer, not to be included in any salable product. In any event, > I'm Canadian, and DriveCrypt is German so I really couldn't care less > about US cryptography laws. > > I'm still looking out for a cross-platform product (as I mentioned in > my original post). Unless I find something very soon, I'll be > purchasing DriveCrypt next week. In the event that my PC laptop is > stolen, I'll use DriveCrypt on my Mac under VirtualPC to resurrect my > backed-up protected data. > > > > > On Saturday, November 1, 2003, at 09:38 AM, Alex Rice wrote: > >> >> On Nov 1, 2003, at 7:06 AM, Rob Cozens wrote: >> >>> >>> I assume this is for domestic purposes, or that you are aware of US >>> government restrictions on the export of encryption software >>> supporting keys > 64 bits: >> >> Rob and Mark- David didn't state his intent for the crypto, but the >> URL he posted was for a consumer product for disk encryption. Why >> should he be worried about export restrictions? >> >> >> BTW I thought US export restrictions were eased because the Feds >> realized they were really messing things up for US software companies >> not being able to compete internationally? >> >> >> Alex Rice | Mindlube Software | >> >> >> what a waste of thumbs that are opposable >> to make machines that are disposable -Ani DiFranco >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From herbstzu at bostonmacosx.dyndns.org Sat Nov 1 21:43:24 2003 From: herbstzu at bostonmacosx.dyndns.org (RH) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 21:43:24 -0500 Subject: Tiling Images Message-ID: <54232196-0CDE-11D8-A419-000A956863E8@bostonmacosx.dyndns.org> Hi all: Below is the code I use which makes a nice column of images. repeat with x = 1 to myvara put directory &"/" & line x of myfilelist into myPath create image "myimage" & x in group "large_group" put "myimage" & x into newName set the location of image newName to 100,((115*x)) set the filename of image newName of group "large_group" to myPath if (the formattedHeight of image newName > the formattedWidth of image newName) then set the height of image newName of group "large_group" to 100 put 100/the formattedheight of image newName of group "large_group" into ratio set the width of image newName of group "large_group" to round(the formattedWidth of image newName of group "large_group" * ratio) else set the width of image newName of group "large_group" to 125 put 125/the formattedwidth of image newName of group "large_group" into ratio set the height of image newName of group "large_group" to round(the formattedheight of image newName of group "large_group" * ratio) end if however I would like to tile the images into rows as well and just can't come up with the methodology to get them to. If anyone could point me in the right direction it would be appreciated. thanks Robert Herbstzuber From swartart at iafrica.com Sun Nov 2 02:34:38 2003 From: swartart at iafrica.com (Ryno Swart) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 09:34:38 +0200 Subject: Losing the amateur. In-Reply-To: <20031101071953.850039300C5@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <036305E0-0D07-11D8-9AA0-003065D180EE@iafrica.com> Hi folks, I am just a bit disappointed. To Scott Rossi: I was and am dead keen to download Scott's Ouija stack (I love your more personal work, Scott), but I ran into a few problems. First, the stack appears to require Rev version 2.1, and would not even download to my version 2.0.1. Couldn't these stacks be saved to, for example, version 1? To the RunRev team: Apart from Scott's stack, what on earth would an amateur want version 2.1 for? It is 30 day time-limited, and only professionals can afford it. At least with the older versions I can still do my simple fun efforts within the 10 line script limits. Of course, by making new stacks inaccessible to these earlier versions, you can slowly get rid of the deadwood like me. Eventually I downloaded 2.1. Took me about 3 hours on a 56k modem, plus, I had to try 3 times (my own problem, living in South Africa, I suppose). The trouble is that Stuffit does not recognise the File "revolution.sit" and cannot open it. The message reads: "The file 'revolution .sit' does not appear to be compressed or encoded. etc." So, double disappointment. So I am feeling somewhat lost. That is OK. But if it not your actual intention to lose people like myself, some rethinking is required. How are you going to reach the ten-year old geniuses? And the over 50-artists who are only looking for a way of expressing themselves in the greatest new medium the world has see, multimedia? Ryno. From livfoss at blueyonder.co.uk Sun Nov 2 02:46:25 2003 From: livfoss at blueyonder.co.uk (Graham Samuel) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 07:46:25 +0000 Subject: No subject Message-ID: On Sat, 1 Nov 2003 13:41:53 -0800 (PST), Judy Perry wrote: At 19:48 -0500 1/11/03, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com wrote: > [...] >The MacAddict review noted that Rev seems to crash unexpectedly, but I've >honestly not had that problem since the OSX appearance manager thingy got >fixed... It crashes ALOT in the class lab, but the machines in there only >have 128 MB RAM. For me Rev 2.1 crashes a good deal, on Mac OSs O9.2.2 and 10.2.8 and on Windows XP. Not a RAM issue, I think (the Windows machine has 256Mb and the Mac 448mb). It's usually something to do with quitting Rev when the thing I'm working on has its own 'quit' script, or when I try to purge out the thing I've been working on (Save, then Close and Remove from Memory) and then try to start working on another stack file. The Distribution Builder sometimes suffers in the same way (try to close it then go on to something else). This is all slightly hard to pin down - doesn't happen with obvious consistency, so I have never been quite sure enough of any of the sequences to produce exact formulae for bugzilla. Graham -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Graham Samuel / The Living Fossil Co. / UK & France From alex at mindlube.com Sun Nov 2 03:11:26 2003 From: alex at mindlube.com (Alex Rice) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 01:11:26 -0700 Subject: gotchas (was re: [OT] Rev on Linux PPC - Would you use it?) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <27CAEC2D-0D0C-11D8-93AD-000393C4760A@mindlube.com> On Nov 2, 2003, at 12:46 AM, Graham Samuel wrote: > For me Rev 2.1 crashes a good deal, on Mac OSs O9.2.2 and 10.2.8 and > on Windows XP. Not a RAM issue, I think (the Windows machine has 256Mb > and the Mac 448mb). It's usually something to do with quitting Rev > when the thing I'm working on has its own 'quit' script, or when I try > to purge out the thing I've been working on (Save, then Close and > Remove from Memory) and then try to start working on another stack > file. The Distribution Builder sometimes suffers in the same way (try > to close it then go on to something else). This is all slightly hard > to pin down - doesn't happen with obvious consistency, so I have never > been quite sure enough of any of the sequences to produce exact > formulae for bugzilla. FWIW I think that Rev 2.1.1 RC1 is a big improvement stability-wise. I'm running OS X. 2.1.1 RC1 crashes now and then, but not nearly as much as in past versions. My opinion: shortage of memory can't cause Rev to crash. OS X and Linux both have really good virtual memory systems. Unlike Mac OS Classic where if any app is not allocated enough memory it will go haywire or crash. In OS X and Linux (and WinNT,2K,XP?) when you run low on memory, your system merely starts to thrash with disk activity as memory starts to page in and out. Alex Rice | Mindlube Software | what a waste of thumbs that are opposable to make machines that are disposable -Ani DiFranco From alex at mindlube.com Sun Nov 2 03:33:05 2003 From: alex at mindlube.com (Alex Rice) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 01:33:05 -0700 Subject: Losing the amateur. In-Reply-To: <036305E0-0D07-11D8-9AA0-003065D180EE@iafrica.com> References: <036305E0-0D07-11D8-9AA0-003065D180EE@iafrica.com> Message-ID: <2E31A7F8-0D0F-11D8-93AD-000393C4760A@mindlube.com> On Nov 2, 2003, at 12:34 AM, Ryno Swart wrote: > > Hi folks, > I am just a bit disappointed. Hang in there- Rev is worth the learning curve :-) More response below... > To Scott Rossi: > I was and am dead keen to download Scott's Ouija stack (I love your > more personal work, Scott), but I ran into a few problems. > First, the stack appears to require Rev version 2.1, and would not > even download to my version 2.0.1. Couldn't these stacks be saved to, > for example, version 1? The stack format has not changed (ever?) I believe. Maybe not since metacard earlier versions. But maybe Scott uses *features* that are new in 2.1? Just guessing- Scott can answer of course. > To the RunRev team: > Apart from Scott's stack, what on earth would an amateur want version > 2.1 for? It is 30 day time-limited, and only professionals can afford > it. $75 for the "Express" version is not prohibitive even for amateurs, unless they are only looking for free software. > At least with the older versions I can still do my simple fun efforts > within the 10 line script limits. Of course, by making new stacks > inaccessible to these earlier versions, you can slowly get rid of the > deadwood like me. 2.0 and 2.1 have major improvements in the IDE user interface, especially the properties inspector. It's simplified and less intimidating than the Rev 1.1.1 user interface. Rev 1.1.1 is kind of opaque when you first sit down and look at it, in my experience. > Eventually I downloaded 2.1. Took me about 3 hours on a 56k modem, > plus, I had to try 3 times (my own problem, living in South Africa, I > suppose). The trouble is that Stuffit does not recognise the File > "revolution.sit" and cannot open it. The message reads: "The file > 'revolution .sit' does not appear to be compressed or encoded. etc." > So, double disappointment. What version of Mac OS are you running? If OS X (judging from your mail headers), then you should download the OS X distribution, which is a DMG file, not a SIT file. revolutionosx.dmg is the filename. DMG is a Disk Image, and will open up with Disk Copy.app. It sounds as if the Stuffit file was corrupted during download. I just downloaded revolution.sit and it uncompresses fine w/ Stuffit Expander. > So I am feeling somewhat lost. That is OK. But if it not your actual > intention to lose people like myself, some rethinking is required. How > are you going to reach the ten-year old geniuses? And the over > 50-artists who are only looking for a way of expressing themselves in > the greatest new medium the world has see, multimedia? I'm sure it's not Runrev's intent to lose *any* users. Some folks have posted about a desire for a more intuitive/spartan IDE more like metacard or hypercard, where one can just dive in and start learning. I can't really add to that - because I'm relatively new to the xtalk environments. But I can quote one of my favorite books :-) "Instructive interfaces are user interfaces that, through clever construction and design, are inherently self-teaching. Instructive interfaces rely on intrinsic characteristics rather than external help or prompting to show the user how to use them. Instructive interfaces are +Intuitable, +Explorable and +Consistent." Constantine & Lockwood, Software for Use. That is the holy grail of usability. Alex Rice | Mindlube Software | what a waste of thumbs that are opposable to make machines that are disposable -Ani DiFranco From itrunrev at itinfo.dk Sun Nov 2 03:46:10 2003 From: itrunrev at itinfo.dk (Carsten Levin) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 09:46:10 +0100 Subject: 2.1.1 better and reliable ... but In-Reply-To: <27CAEC2D-0D0C-11D8-93AD-000393C4760A@mindlube.com> References: <27CAEC2D-0D0C-11D8-93AD-000393C4760A@mindlube.com> Message-ID: <019F8C8D-0D11-11D8-A691-000A95C49B80@itinfo.dk> Yes 2.1.1 seems to be a real improvement, We are still stuck in 1.1.1 because of the problems in 2.X.X before 2.1.1 - we have tested 2.1.1 and it seems to be stable and robust ... but then there are a few serious problems in the present beta. Most annoying the keyboard cant be set to anything but GB/UK, it reverts at once on Windows. Another problem is that the directory (the current folder of the Revolution application used to start the file) is out of order ... when starting in development mode it is set correctly, when starting in nondev mode it is set to either the location of the file (event though this is not a stand-alone) ... rather confusing, and even worse since on win 98 it seems to be set to C:/. Again this is a Windows only problem. We are absolutely confident that this is solved/will be solved in upcomming versions/final release of 2.1.1 ... but we will strongly advice against using the present version 2.1.1 for any work, at least not if it is going to be deployed on Windows! Our tests on the Mac are less problematic. Here the two above mentioned errors does not exist. We have used 2.1.1 on the Mac for weeks without a crash on Mac OS 10.2.6 an 10.2.8 ... waiting to hear if we can use Panther. And Windows is very important to us as well. But untill a workable version of 2.1.1 is published we will have to keep our main work in 1.1.1 Best regards Carsten On 2/11-2003, at 9.11, Alex Rice wrote: > FWIW I think that Rev 2.1.1 RC1 is a big improvement stability-wise. > I'm running OS X. 2.1.1 RC1 crashes now and then, but not nearly as > much as in past versions. From alex at mindlube.com Sun Nov 2 03:53:05 2003 From: alex at mindlube.com (Alex Rice) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 01:53:05 -0700 Subject: 2.1.1 better and reliable ... but In-Reply-To: <019F8C8D-0D11-11D8-A691-000A95C49B80@itinfo.dk> References: <27CAEC2D-0D0C-11D8-93AD-000393C4760A@mindlube.com> <019F8C8D-0D11-11D8-A691-000A95C49B80@itinfo.dk> Message-ID: On Nov 2, 2003, at 1:46 AM, Carsten Levin wrote: > Another problem is that the directory (the current folder of the > Revolution application used to start the file) is out of order ... > when starting in development mode it is set correctly, when starting > in nondev mode it is set to either the location of the file (event > though this is not a stand-alone) ... rather confusing, and even worse > since on win 98 it seems to be set to C:/. Again this is a Windows > only problem. Is this in bugzilla? I don't understand quite what you mean. I do build standalones for Windows, so it does concern me. > We have used 2.1.1 on the Mac for weeks without a crash on Mac OS > 10.2.6 an 10.2.8 ... waiting to hear if we can use Panther. No problems at all w/ Rev 2.1.1RC on panther (so far, for me) Alex Rice | Mindlube Software | what a waste of thumbs that are opposable to make machines that are disposable -Ani DiFranco From sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de Sun Nov 2 05:36:43 2003 From: sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de (Wilhelm Sanke) Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2003 11:36:43 +0100 Subject: Screen Flicker on WindowShape Change Message-ID: <3FA4DE3B.B3835F89@hrz.uni-kassel.de> On Sat, 1 Nov 2003 , Igor Couto wrote: > Dear Jacqueline, > > Thank you for the info! > > On 01/11/2003, at 2:04 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > > >> When I change the windowShape of a stack (from using one image to > >> another as a shape mask), regardless of whether I 'lock screen', I > >> always get a bad screen flicker. > > > > It can't be avoided. The OS draws the window, and the old window has > > to be erased. > > > > Damn! I should have realised that... > > Nevertheless, I seem to remember someone mentioning a trick which > involved taking a screen shot, and making screen transitions between > screen shots somehow... Does anyone remember what that was in regards > to, and whether that would work in this context? > > Many, many thank, > > -- > Igor de Oliveira Couto > I get tolerable results here on my Windows computer, i.e. the flicker is at least minmized when I first set the backpattern of the card to the image and after that the windowshape: on mouseUp lock screen set the backpattern of this cd to 1003 set the windowshape of this stack to 1003 end mouseUp Regards, Wilhelm Sanke From dwilk at globalnet.co.uk Sun Nov 2 06:12:22 2003 From: dwilk at globalnet.co.uk (David Wilkinson) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 11:12:22 +0000 Subject: [OT] Rev on Linux PPC - Would you use it? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Saturday 01 November 2003 9:41 pm, you wrote: > My lone linux student (using an intel box I think) has complained > mightily to me that he's had nothing but trouble trying to use the > trying to use the 30-day eval version and so has given up...... My own experience, on a Redhat derived distro on intel/amd using gnome wm, is that Rev versions > 2.0.x are unusable since the ide quits with absolute reliability if you click apply in the script editor. Some guidance as to how to extract core dumps might be useful here. My impression is that Rev is less stable on Linux than elsewhere. For example , when you save a stack with a new name and have a script editor window open which refers to the original, if you focus the editor, the ide will quit corrupting both stacks. If you open the documentation, you can guarantee that an error loop will occur, so severe that it is almost impossible to open a tty to kill the process - you have to reboot, a very rare requirement with Linux. There are usually workarounds: since X-windows provides multiple desktops, you can open another instance of Rev just to run the documentation, and you can rename the stack in a terminal. But if you have never had a working version of Rev, you would assume that it was not a capable environment, without any question. From itrunrev at itinfo.dk Sun Nov 2 06:27:00 2003 From: itrunrev at itinfo.dk (Carsten Levin) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 12:27:00 +0100 Subject: 2.1.1 better and reliable ... but In-Reply-To: References: <27CAEC2D-0D0C-11D8-93AD-000393C4760A@mindlube.com> <019F8C8D-0D11-11D8-A691-000A95C49B80@itinfo.dk> Message-ID: <798E462A-0D27-11D8-A691-000A95C49B80@itinfo.dk> Yes, it is in Bugzilla, we reported it apx. 3 weeks ago, later got a response that it is solved (but the solution is probably not in the present download). You write that you dont understand the problem ...: "the directory"/"the defaultfolder"/"the current folder" (i dont know why there are so many words for the same) is usually set to the path of the Revolution Application or the Revolution Runtime/exe file running the application. It is always the case on Mac OS. On Windows XP it is so, but only when running in development-mode. When running in non-dev mode it is different. When doubleclicking the name.rev file it is set to the path to this file. On Windows 98 it is in come cases set to C:/. Sorry for not explaining this better in the first mail. This inconsistense/bug causes the solutions to fail if you have desided to put some common libraries or graphics file in the folder containing the Revolution application or runtime. You should probably see it as a problem when a development tool starts to use its fundamental parts in random. But as I wrote in the first report ... I am confident that RunRev knows about this and that it will be solved soon. Best regards Carsten On 2/11-2003, at 9.53, Alex Rice wrote: > On Nov 2, 2003, at 1:46 AM, Carsten Levin wrote: > >> Another problem is that the directory (the current folder of the >> Revolution application used to start the file) is out of order ... >> when starting in development mode it is set correctly, when starting >> in nondev mode it is set to either the location of the file (event >> though this is not a stand-alone) ... rather confusing, and even >> worse since on win 98 it seems to be set to C:/. Again this is a >> Windows only problem. > > Is this in bugzilla? I don't understand quite what you mean. I do > build standalones for Windows, so it does concern me. > >> We have used 2.1.1 on the Mac for weeks without a crash on Mac OS >> 10.2.6 an 10.2.8 ... waiting to hear if we can use Panther. > > No problems at all w/ Rev 2.1.1RC on panther (so far, for me) > > Alex Rice | Mindlube Software | > From psahores at easynet.fr Sun Nov 2 06:48:22 2003 From: psahores at easynet.fr (Pierre Sahores) Date: 02 Nov 2003 12:48:22 +0100 Subject: [OT] Rev on Linux PPC - Would you use it? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1067773702.2785.20.camel@www.kmax.ici> Le dim 02/11/2003 ? 12:12, David Wilkinson a ?crit : > My own experience, on a Redhat derived distro on intel/amd using > gnome wm, is that Rev versions > 2.0.x are unusable since the ide > quits with absolute reliability if you click apply in the script > editor. Some guidance as to how to extract core dumps might be > useful here. The same unusability in using Suse 8 to 8.2 Pro x86 / KDE 3.xx... I'm full confident about the final's Rev 2.1.1 issue, even if, there are lots to verify, Kevin, Scott, Tuviah, to get the Linux Rev's issue we needs to switch from MC to Rev. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Kind Regards, Pierre Sahores 100, rue de Paris F - 77140 Nemours psahores at easynet.fr GSM: +33 6 03 95 77 70 Pro: +33 1 41 60 52 68 Dom: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Fax: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Inspection acad?mique de Seine-Saint-Denis Applications et SGBD ACID SQL (WEB et PGI) Penser et produire "delta de productivit?" From yvescoppe at skynet.be Sun Nov 2 07:08:21 2003 From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (Yves COPPE) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 13:08:21 +0100 Subject: Tiling Images In-Reply-To: <54232196-0CDE-11D8-A419-000A956863E8@bostonmacosx.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <4055190E-0D2D-11D8-8D7D-000393533246@skynet.be> Le dimanche, 2 nov 2003, ? 03:43 Europe/Brussels, RH a ?crit : go to the web site of Chipp : http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/RunRev/Downloads.htm you will see a sample of what you're looking for : alThumbViewer Hope this helps. > Hi all: > > Below is the code I use which makes a nice column of images. > > repeat with x = 1 to myvara > put directory &"/" & line x of myfilelist into myPath > create image "myimage" & x in group "large_group" > put "myimage" & x into newName > set the location of image newName to 100,((115*x)) > set the filename of image newName of group "large_group" to myPath > > if (the formattedHeight of image newName > the formattedWidth of image > newName) then > set the height of image newName of group "large_group" to 100 > put 100/the formattedheight of image newName of group "large_group" > into ratio > set the width of image newName of group "large_group" to round(the > formattedWidth of image newName of group "large_group" * ratio) > else > set the width of image newName of group "large_group" to 125 > put 125/the formattedwidth of image newName of group "large_group" > into ratio > set the height of image newName of group "large_group" to round(the > formattedheight of image newName of group "large_group" * ratio) > end if > > however I would like to tile the images into rows as well and just > can't come up with the methodology to get them to. If anyone could > point me in the right direction it would be appreciated. > > thanks > Robert Herbstzuber > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > Bien amicalement. Yves COPPE yvescoppe at skynet.be From thierry.arbellot at wanadoo.fr Sun Nov 2 08:04:11 2003 From: thierry.arbellot at wanadoo.fr (Thierry Arbellot) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 14:04:11 +0100 Subject: No subject In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <0D81E87B-0D35-11D8-B70F-000A27E40768@wanadoo.fr> I had similar problem recently, but I was able to found the reason. (OS X 10.2.8, Rev 2.1) I use commands to enable and disable menus (e.g. disable the menuItem 2 of menu 1). Then, Revolution may crash after the stack is closed, removed from memory and if try to open the file menu. I modified the scripts to avoid enable/disable menus within the IDE if the environment is not "development" then disable the menuItem 2 of menu 1 end if After that, Revolution doesn't crash anymore. Hope it helps. Thierry Arbellot. On Sunday, Nov 2, 2003, at 08:46 Europe/Paris, Graham Samuel wrote: > On Sat, 1 Nov 2003 13:41:53 -0800 (PST), Judy Perry > wrote: > At 19:48 -0500 1/11/03, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com wrote: >> [...] >> The MacAddict review noted that Rev seems to crash unexpectedly, but >> I've >> honestly not had that problem since the OSX appearance manager thingy >> got >> fixed... It crashes ALOT in the class lab, but the machines in there >> only >> have 128 MB RAM. > > For me Rev 2.1 crashes a good deal, on Mac OSs O9.2.2 and 10.2.8 and > on Windows XP. Not a RAM issue, I think (the Windows machine has 256Mb > and the Mac 448mb). It's usually something to do with quitting Rev > when the thing I'm working on has its own 'quit' script, or when I try > to purge out the thing I've been working on (Save, then Close and > Remove from Memory) and then try to start working on another stack > file. The Distribution Builder sometimes suffers in the same way (try > to close it then go on to something else). This is all slightly hard > to pin down - doesn't happen with obvious consistency, so I have never > been quite sure enough of any of the sequences to produce exact > formulae for bugzilla. > > Graham > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Graham Samuel / The Living Fossil Co. / UK & France > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From alptex2 at orwell.net Sun Nov 2 08:58:04 2003 From: alptex2 at orwell.net (T. R. Ponn) Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2003 08:58:04 -0500 Subject: 2.0.2 now available References: Message-ID: <3FA50D6C.6080306@orwell.net> Hello Heather, I'm a little slow...no...a lot slow on requesting this, but I never received my new unlock code for upgrading from 1.1.1 to 2.0.2>. I've been so focused on creating my app that I've had 1.1.1 blinders on. Well, now's the time for me to move to RunRev 2. I downloaded 2.0.3 this morning...then went back thru my email and discovered that I needed a new code. Please forward this as soon as you have the opportunity. Best Regards, Tim Ponn ALPTEX, Inc. Heather Williams wrote: >Dear listees, > >Revolution 2.0.2 is now available for download from our regular download >page at > >www.runrev.com/Revolution1/downloads.html > >This is a free upgrade to all existing customers. If you have an old style >license, you should have received a new unlock code by email. If you have >not yet received this or are having any problems with it please let us know >off list. > >Thanks for your patience in this time of growth and change for the >Revolution! > >Warm Regards, > >Heather > > > > > From rcozens at pon.net Sun Nov 2 08:49:56 2003 From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 06:49:56 -0700 Subject: Opening stacks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > > Double-clicking does it for me on Mac OS 10.2. >---------- >Hmmm. I didn't know that, but... > >I'm in OS 9.2.1, and double-clicking doesn't work under Rev 2.0.1. Perhaps you're one minor release away, Ken: iBook running OS 9 and Rev 2.0.2 opens my Rev stacks when they are double clicked. -- Rob Cozens CCW, Serendipity Software Company http://www.oenolog.net/who.htm "And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three; Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee." from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631) From itrunrev at itinfo.dk Sun Nov 2 10:28:46 2003 From: itrunrev at itinfo.dk (Carsten Levin) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 16:28:46 +0100 Subject: Opening stacks - doubleclicking In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3FD48C02-0D49-11D8-B894-000A95C49B80@itinfo.dk> Had the same problem on numerous Mac OS 9.2.2 computers (iMacs). Solved it by rebuilding the desktop file (hold down Command+alt during start up, and confirm that you want the desktop file rebuild. You could supplement by going into the "Easy Open" control panel and set .rev files to be opened by Revolution. On 2/11-2003, at 14.49, Rob Cozens wrote: >> > Double-clicking does it for me on Mac OS 10.2. >> ---------- >> Hmmm. I didn't know that, but... >> >> I'm in OS 9.2.1, and double-clicking doesn't work under Rev 2.0.1. From SimPLsol at aol.com Sun Nov 2 10:38:19 2003 From: SimPLsol at aol.com (SimPLsol at aol.com) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 10:38:19 EST Subject: Software at the Speed of Thought - ebook imminent Message-ID: <1a2.1c39a565.2cd67eeb@aol.com> In a message dated 11/1/03 1:34:50 PM, jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu writes: > http://secure.runrev.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=RROS& > Category_Code=RM > > I have checked this site regularly, the manuals are always "temporarily out of stock" From bill at igame3d.com Sun Nov 2 12:29:36 2003 From: bill at igame3d.com (WIlliam Griffin) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 12:29:36 -0500 Subject: FMODforRev Internet Streaming Message-ID: <21306649-0D5A-11D8-A5DE-0030657D0A8E@igame3d.com> Hey folks, I suspected that we could do streaming files from the net with FMODforRev external. But didn't get a chance to test it until the other night. Here's how I made a field and put the URL in it and did on return in field but of course you could do buttons or a list of URLS and mouseUp handle or such. I put a new button in the FMOD Example stack so everything was already set to go, as far as setting up the external goes.. You will need to add you own to the one you downloaded today on mouseUp put 1 into TheChannelNum --- here's the URL i used you could of course replace with your own choice of streaming music URL put "http://205.188.234.65:8006" into theSoundPath -- philosomatika my favorite internet radio trance set the curSndChan of me to FfROpenAndPlayStream(theSoundPath,-1) end mouseUp Shaaazam! music over the internet. As before the FMODforRev stack and external are available here: Mac Version: http://www.igame3d.com/FMODforRev.sit PC Version: http://www.igame3d.com/FMODforRev.zip Just remember to COPY the FMODforRev external to the Revolution application path, before opening your stack. William Griffin & Tobias Opfermann. info at igame3d.com From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu Sun Nov 2 12:54:06 2003 From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 09:54:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: [OT] Rev on Linux PPC - Would you use it? In-Reply-To: <1067726946.2786.88.camel@www.kmax.ici> Message-ID: Thanks! On 1 Nov 2003, Pierre Sahores wrote: > Hi Judy, > > Le sam 01/11/2003 ?? 22:41, Judy Perry a ??crit : > > > My lone linux student (using an intel box I think) has complained mightily > > to me that he's had nothing but trouble trying to use the 30-day eval > > version and so has given up (and hence won't be buying it anytime soon). > > (Mind you -- it's not like he's given me any specifics and just seemed to > > be in a complaining mood). > > > > Do any Rev Linux users out there have any general tips or 'gotcha's' that > > they can pass along? > > Because the Linux Rev's issues have probably not been extensivelly > tested under many kind of Linux distributions, a newbie can get some > troubbles in running Rev under Linux. > > The best to do is to install it under a RedHat distro and to test Rev > under differents XFree86 graphical desktop managers, Gnome, first, and > KDE, last. > > For my own, to avoid possibles problems, i'm still running MC 2.5 under > Linux (Suse 8 Pro x86) and Rev 2.1.1 under MacOSX (Jaguar). > > Hope this help ! > > Best Regards, Pierre > > > > The MacAddict review noted that Rev seems to crash unexpectedly, but I've > > honestly not had that problem since the OSX appearance manager thingy got > > fixed... It crashes ALOT in the class lab, but the machines in there only > > have 128 MB RAM. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Judy > > > > On Fri, 31 Oct 2003, Bill Vlahos wrote: > > > > > I would like to deploy my apps for PPC Linux although I will continue > > > to use OS X as my primary development platform. > > > > > > I don't know if it would be easier for RunRev to resume making the > > > distribution engine for PPC Linux even if they don't make an IDE for > > > it. Obviously it would be best to have everything for every platform > > > but that would at least let me deploy for PPC Linux. > > > > > > Revolution offers the linux community exactly what it needs but doesn't > > > have...a powerful yet easy to use programming environment. If I was a > > > Linux freak I'd be all over Revolution. > > > > > > Of course having to actually buy software goes against the grain of > > > most of the linux users I know. I'd be curious to know how well any of > > > the Rev apps you folks have been selling are actually getting money > > > from linux users. I wrote an electronic phone book for my previous > > > company which the Mac and Windows community loved, but the linux users > > > looked down on it because it was a "GUI app" and they "already had > > > finger" (and that app was even free). > > > > > > Bill Vlahos > > > > > > On Friday, October 31, 2003, at 04:28 PM, Igor Couto wrote: > > > > > > > So, IF YOU WOULD CONSIDER USING A LINUX PPC VERSION OF REV, please > > > > DROP ME A LINE. If there is enough show of interest in this topic, > > > > then I will message the RunRev team, and let them know that we'd > > > > suppor their efforts in that area! > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > use-revolution mailing list > > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- > Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores > > 100, rue de Paris > F - 77140 Nemours > > psahores at easynet.fr > > GSM: +33 6 03 95 77 70 > Pro: +33 1 41 60 52 68 > Dom: +33 1 64 45 05 33 > Fax: +33 1 64 45 05 33 > > Inspection acad??mique de Seine-Saint-Denis > Applications et SGBD ACID SQL (WEB et PGI) > Penser et produire "delta de productivit??" > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu Sun Nov 2 12:56:47 2003 From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 09:56:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: Software at the Speed of Thought - ebook imminent In-Reply-To: Message-ID: THREE MONTHS?!? Hmmm... I guess I can see this one going both ways -- one the one hand, printing happens in sets and I am guessing that the initial set simply sold out (but then as you indicate, don't give the illusion that the product can be purchased... and at least indicate if and when you ever plan another run). Judy On Sat, 1 Nov 2003, Brian Maher wrote: > Hi Judy, > > > I believe the 'long-promised Rev. documentation' has been > > long-available: > > > > http://secure.runrev.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc? > > Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=RROS&Category_Code=RM > > > > > > US$99. > > Orderable? Yes. Available? No. > > I just cancelled my order for the documentation as it has been a few > days more than 3 months since I ordered it (and my credit card was > charged) and it still has not shipped. > > Personally, I don't think they should be accepting orders for something > that has not been available for that length of time. > > Brian > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu Sun Nov 2 12:57:49 2003 From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 09:57:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: Multimedia Mania Awards 2004 In-Reply-To: <20031102002937.39028.qmail@web40505.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: How many educators do we have here?? Perhaps we should all write them... Judy On Sat, 1 Nov 2003, Alejandro Tejada wrote: > Hi Revolutionaries! > > Recently, while applying for a membership of ISTE, > International Society for Technology in Education, > (www.iste.org) I knew about their Multimedia Mania > Awards at: > > http://www.ncsu.edu/mmania/ > > and checking for the software/hardware resources > at this page: > > http://www.iste.org/resources/tech-integration/software.cfm > > I notice that neither MetaCard or Revolution are > listed. > > I will copy here the info about these awards, so > teachers that read this message, visit their pages > and prepare for participating if it looks interesting. > :) > > MultimediaMania 2004 > > An Award for Classroom Excellence by HyperSIG > Multimedia Special Interest Group of ISTE! > > Multimedia Mania awards program is for students and > teachers who use multimedia to teach and learn in a > specific content area (e.g. math, science, social > studies, language arts, art, music, physical > education, ESL, etc.) Students are invited to share > their work with an international audience by creating > dynamic multimedia projects related to any class or > coursework. Multimedia Mania winners usually come from > > classrooms in which technology is used as a tool to > teach and learn any standard curriculum. Teachers may > coach and advise, but work must be completed by > students in grades K-12. > > Participants are encouraged to incorporate 3-D design, > > video, animation, and any other multimedia techniques > that may enhance the design of the project, but > inclusion of lengthy videos is discouraged. Submission > > of video projects is discouraged as they are > inappropriate for this award contest. Heavy emphasis > will be placed on originality, alignment to curriculum > > or course content, project design, and proper use and > documentation of resources. Participants will also > gain points if most of their projects are constructed > within the classroom. The intent is to provide > realistic models to share with other classroom > teachers. > > The primary GOAL of Multimedia Mania is to find real, > working models of the skillful integration of > technology into a typical classroom setting in a > specific content area. > > Alejandro Tejada > > > ===== > Visit my site: > http://www.geocities.com/capellan2000/ > Search the mail list: > http://mindlube.com/cgi-bin/search-use-rev.cgi > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears > http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sun Nov 2 13:03:04 2003 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2003 12:03:04 -0600 Subject: Losing the amateur. In-Reply-To: <036305E0-0D07-11D8-9AA0-003065D180EE@iafrica.com> References: <036305E0-0D07-11D8-9AA0-003065D180EE@iafrica.com> Message-ID: <3FA546D8.70405@hyperactivesw.com> On 11/2/03 1:34 AM, Ryno Swart wrote: > I was and am dead keen to download Scott's Ouija stack (I love your more > personal work, Scott), but I ran into a few problems. > First, the stack appears to require Rev version 2.1, and would not even > download to my version 2.0.1. Couldn't these stacks be saved to, for > example, version 1? The file format has not changed since 2.0 was released. You should be able to launch Rev 2.0.1 and use the "Open" menu item to open Scott's stack. However, as Alex pointed out, the stack may use new features that 2.0.1 does not support. You will get errors if that is the case. > Eventually I downloaded 2.1. Took me about 3 hours on a 56k modem, plus, > I had to try 3 times (my own problem, living in South Africa, I > suppose). The trouble is that Stuffit does not recognise the File > "revolution.sit" and cannot open it. The message reads: "The file > 'revolution .sit' does not appear to be compressed or encoded. etc." So, > double disappointment. This is a common problem if your version of StuffIt Expander is older than the version of StuffIt that created the file. I have a client who experienced the same problem with a stack I sent him. I made the .sit file using StuffIt version 6.x and he tried to open it with Expander 5.x. The solution is to upgrade your copy of Expander to the latest version. The upgrade is free. > So I am feeling somewhat lost. That is OK. But if it not your actual > intention to lose people like myself, some rethinking is required. How > are you going to reach the ten-year old geniuses? And the over > 50-artists who are only looking for a way of expressing themselves in > the greatest new medium the world has see, multimedia? The Express version is aimed squarely at this audience. It is very reasonably priced. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From rxfeldman at comcast.net Sun Nov 2 13:47:33 2003 From: rxfeldman at comcast.net (Russell) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 13:47:33 -0500 Subject: Can cards in a stack be of different sizes Message-ID: <001a01c3a171$c73dfa50$6501a8c0@S0031724895> Hello people Can cards in a stack be of different sizes What is a substack and how do you use it Thanks Russ From psahores at easynet.fr Sun Nov 2 13:46:33 2003 From: psahores at easynet.fr (Pierre Sahores) Date: 02 Nov 2003 19:46:33 +0100 Subject: FMODforRev Internet Streaming In-Reply-To: <21306649-0D5A-11D8-A5DE-0030657D0A8E@igame3d.com> References: <21306649-0D5A-11D8-A5DE-0030657D0A8E@igame3d.com> Message-ID: <1067798792.2786.31.camel@www.kmax.ici> Thanks thousand times William ! I don't have time to work on those tasks at the moment but your post and stack are carefully stored in security for future uses :-) Have a nice Sunday, Best Regards and thanks again, Pierre Le dim 02/11/2003 ? 18:29, WIlliam Griffin a ?crit : > Hey folks, > I suspected that we could do streaming files from the net with > FMODforRev external. > But didn't get a chance to test it until the other night. > Here's how > I made a field and put the URL in it and did on return in field but > of course you could do buttons or a list of URLS and mouseUp handle or > such. > I put a new button in the FMOD Example stack so everything was already > set to go, as far as setting up the external goes.. > You will need to add you own to the one you downloaded today > > on mouseUp > put 1 into TheChannelNum > --- here's the URL i used you could of course replace with your own > choice of streaming music URL > put "http://205.188.234.65:8006" into theSoundPath -- philosomatika > my favorite internet radio trance > set the curSndChan of me to FfROpenAndPlayStream(theSoundPath,-1) > end mouseUp > > Shaaazam! music over the internet. > > As before the FMODforRev stack and external are available here: > Mac Version: http://www.igame3d.com/FMODforRev.sit > PC Version: http://www.igame3d.com/FMODforRev.zip > > Just remember to COPY the FMODforRev external to the Revolution > application path, before opening your stack. > > William Griffin & Tobias Opfermann. > info at igame3d.com > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores 100, rue de Paris F - 77140 Nemours psahores at easynet.fr GSM: +33 6 03 95 77 70 Pro: +33 1 41 60 52 68 Dom: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Fax: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Inspection acad?mique de Seine-Saint-Denis Applications et SGBD ACID SQL (WEB et PGI) Penser et produire "delta de productivit?" From alex at mindlube.com Sun Nov 2 14:51:34 2003 From: alex at mindlube.com (Alex Rice) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 12:51:34 -0700 Subject: Can cards in a stack be of different sizes In-Reply-To: <001a01c3a171$c73dfa50$6501a8c0@S0031724895> References: <001a01c3a171$c73dfa50$6501a8c0@S0031724895> Message-ID: On Nov 2, 2003, at 11:47 AM, Russell wrote: > Hello people > > Can cards in a stack be of different sizes Nope > What is a substack and how do you use it It's a separate window (stack). It's saved as part of the mainstack for convenience, and substack messages are sent up to the mainstack also. For example an application might use substacks for a preferences window, and a toolbar window. And use the mainstack for the main window. Or use the mainstack for a "splash" screen, and use a substack for other windows. Alex Rice | Mindlube Software | what a waste of thumbs that are opposable to make machines that are disposable -Ani DiFranco From briany at qldlearning.com Sun Nov 2 14:54:06 2003 From: briany at qldlearning.com (Brian Yennie) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 14:54:06 -0500 Subject: Dragging images Message-ID: <50CB14E4-0D6E-11D8-A91D-000393AA08D2@qldlearning.com> List folks, This one seems pretty basic, which is why I'm hoping someone already has something nice to share =). What I'm looking for is a simple image dragging script that restrains the dragging area to a given rectangle. Preferably something that blocks as little as possible and can be extended, but beggars can't be choosers! TIA, Brian From itrunrev at itinfo.dk Sun Nov 2 15:10:13 2003 From: itrunrev at itinfo.dk (Carsten Levin) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 21:10:13 +0100 Subject: FileFormat changed with 2.0? In-Reply-To: <3FA546D8.70405@hyperactivesw.com> References: <036305E0-0D07-11D8-9AA0-003065D180EE@iafrica.com> <3FA546D8.70405@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <914D9713-0D70-11D8-A635-000A95C49B80@itinfo.dk> Is it correct that the file format changed with 2.0 ... I believe that it is the same from 1.1.1 and up untill 2.1.1 .... please, how is it. It will be nice to be sure! On 2/11-2003, at 19.03, J. Landman Gay wrote: > The file format has not changed since 2.0 was released. You should be > able to launch Rev 2.0.1 and use the "Open" menu item to open Scott's > stack. However, as Alex pointed out, the stack may use new features > that 2.0.1 does not support. You will get errors if that is the case. From scott at tactilemedia.com Sun Nov 2 15:15:10 2003 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2003 12:15:10 -0800 Subject: Dragging images In-Reply-To: <50CB14E4-0D6E-11D8-A91D-000393AA08D2@qldlearning.com> Message-ID: > What I'm looking for is a simple image dragging script that restrains > the dragging area to a given rectangle. Preferably something that > blocks as little as possible and can be extended, but beggars can't be > choosers! Maybe this is what you're after: type the following in your message box. go stack url "http://www.tactilemedia.com/download/drag_sample.rev" Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design ----- E: scott at tactilemedia.com W: http://www.tactilemedia.com From jrvalent at wisc.edu Sun Nov 2 15:19:21 2003 From: jrvalent at wisc.edu (rand valentine) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 14:19:21 -0600 Subject: referencing arrays Message-ID: Hi, I have a simple question, and my apologies to the gurus for taking your time -- i still can't search the archives. I have a set of arrays, titled arrayN, arrayV, arrayA I want to be able to build the name of the array I need to refer to on the fly, e.g., put "array" & "N" into theArrayName put theArrayName["@"] this does not work -- using a variable for the name of the array causes the array not to be properly referenced. What am I doing wrong, or what can one do to actually build an array reference of this sort that works? rand valentine From briany at qldlearning.com Sun Nov 2 15:42:10 2003 From: briany at qldlearning.com (Brian Yennie) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 15:42:10 -0500 Subject: Dragging images In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <07CF1532-0D75-11D8-A91D-000393AA08D2@qldlearning.com> Perfect- hours saved, thanks! > go stack url "http://www.tactilemedia.com/download/drag_sample.rev" From engleerica at yahoo.com Sun Nov 2 16:06:40 2003 From: engleerica at yahoo.com (Eric Engle) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 13:06:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: Depth first search in RR/MC/HC? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20031102210640.39374.qmail@web11105.mail.yahoo.com> Does anyone have a script handy which would implement either a depth first or breadth search on a data tree? I have one in Java (not mine) but would rather avoid porting it if possible. Thanks! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From alex at mindlube.com Sun Nov 2 16:59:09 2003 From: alex at mindlube.com (Alex Rice) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 14:59:09 -0700 Subject: referencing arrays In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Nov 2, 2003, at 1:19 PM, rand valentine wrote: > Hi, I have a simple question, and my apologies to the gurus for > taking your time -- i still can't search the archives. My archives search is current > I have a set of arrays, titled arrayN, arrayV, arrayA > > I want to be able to build the name of the array I need to refer to > on the fly, e.g., > > put "array" & "N" into theArrayName > > put theArrayName["@"] > > this does not work -- using a variable for the name of the array > causes the array not to be properly referenced. What am I doing wrong, > or what can one do to actually build an array reference of this sort > that works? One way is to evaluate the expression with do or value: put the value of (theArrayName & "[" & quote & "@" & quote & "]") This is an area where custom property sets is more expressive: set the customProperties[theArrayName] to someArray set the customPropertySet of me to theArrayName put the "@" of me Hope this helps, Alex Rice | Mindlube Software | what a waste of thumbs that are opposable to make machines that are disposable -Ani DiFranco From alex at mindlube.com Sun Nov 2 17:01:20 2003 From: alex at mindlube.com (Alex Rice) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 15:01:20 -0700 Subject: referencing arrays In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1713BFA4-0D80-11D8-9211-000393C4760A@mindlube.com> On Nov 2, 2003, at 2:59 PM, Alex Rice wrote: > set the customProperties[theArrayName] to someArray Oops set the customProperties[theArrayName] of me to someArray Alex Rice | Mindlube Software | what a waste of thumbs that are opposable to make machines that are disposable -Ani DiFranco From alex at mindlube.com Sun Nov 2 17:13:06 2003 From: alex at mindlube.com (Alex Rice) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 15:13:06 -0700 Subject: 2.1.1 better and reliable ... but In-Reply-To: <798E462A-0D27-11D8-A691-000A95C49B80@itinfo.dk> References: <27CAEC2D-0D0C-11D8-93AD-000393C4760A@mindlube.com> <019F8C8D-0D11-11D8-A691-000A95C49B80@itinfo.dk> <798E462A-0D27-11D8-A691-000A95C49B80@itinfo.dk> Message-ID: On Nov 2, 2003, at 4:27 AM, Carsten Levin wrote: > Yes, it is in Bugzilla, we reported it apx. 3 weeks ago, later got a > response that it is solved (but the solution is probably not in the > present download). > You write that you dont understand the problem ...: > "the directory"/"the defaultfolder"/"the current folder" (i dont know > why there are so many words for the same) is usually set to the path > of the Revolution Application or the Revolution Runtime/exe file > running the application. > It is always the case on Mac OS. > On Windows XP it is so, but only when running in development-mode. > When running in non-dev mode it is different. When doubleclicking the > name.rev file it is set to the path to this file. On Windows 98 it is > in come cases set to C:/. > Sorry for not explaining this better in the first mail. > This inconsistense/bug causes the solutions to fail if you have > desided to put some common libraries or graphics file in the folder > containing the Revolution application or runtime. > You should probably see it as a problem when a development tool starts > to use its fundamental parts in random. > > But as I wrote in the first report ... I am confident that RunRev > knows about this and that it will be solved soon. > It does not appear to be fixed yet. I wouldn't be so confident until it's marked fixed in bugzilla. This is the command I have been using on startup to resolve the defaultFolder. Can anyone tell me if this bug 793 is going to effect me? -- -- fixDefaultFolder -- on fixDefaultFolder put the fileName of this stack into tFileName set the itemDelimiter to "/" get item 1 to -2 of tFileName set the defaultFolder to it end fixDefaultFolder Alex Rice | Mindlube Software | what a waste of thumbs that are opposable to make machines that are disposable -Ani DiFranco From sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de Sun Nov 2 17:46:13 2003 From: sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de (Wilhelm Sanke) Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2003 23:46:13 +0100 Subject: Can cards in a stack be of different sizes Message-ID: <3FA58935.6A13E003@hrz.uni-kassel.de> On Sun, 2 Nov 2003 Alex Rice On Nov 2, 2003, at 11:47 AM, Russell wrote: > > > Hello people > > > > Can cards in a stack be of different sizes > > Nope > > (snip) > > Alex Rice > Sure, they can: Have a look at the Glossary stack. All cards have different sizes. In the preopencard handler you may find some hints: " -- set the height of the card to the total needed height put the top of this stack into savedTop set the height of this window to the formattedHeight of this card set the height of graphic "Border" to the formattedHeight of this card set the top of graphic "Border" to zero set the top of this stack to savedTop" Regards, Wilhelm Sanke From davis.phil at comcast.net Sun Nov 2 17:52:09 2003 From: davis.phil at comcast.net (Phil Davis) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 14:52:09 -0800 Subject: referencing arrays In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com > [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com]On Behalf Of rand > valentine > Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 12:19 PM > To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Subject: referencing arrays > > > Hi, I have a simple question, and my apologies to the gurus for > taking your time -- i still can't search the archives. > > I have a set of arrays, titled arrayN, arrayV, arrayA > > I want to be able to build the name of the array I need to refer to > on the fly, e.g., > > put "array" & "N" into theArrayName > > put theArrayName["@"] > > this does not work -- using a variable for the name of the array > causes the array not to be properly referenced. What am I doing wrong, > or what can one do to actually build an array reference of this sort > that works? One approach: get ("put array" & tSomeCharacter & "[" & tKeyValue & "] into tValue") do it -- now tValue contains the value pulled from arrayN[x] Another version of this approach: put arrayValue("N",tKeyValue) into tMyValue ... ... function arrayValue pArraySuffix, pArrayKey get ("put array" & pArraySuffix & "[" & pArrayKey & "] into tValue") do it return tValue end arrayValue Hope this helps. Phil Davis > > rand valentine > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From itrunrev at itinfo.dk Sun Nov 2 17:53:28 2003 From: itrunrev at itinfo.dk (Carsten Levin) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 23:53:28 +0100 Subject: 2.1.1 better and reliable ... but In-Reply-To: References: <27CAEC2D-0D0C-11D8-93AD-000393C4760A@mindlube.com> <019F8C8D-0D11-11D8-A691-000A95C49B80@itinfo.dk> <798E462A-0D27-11D8-A691-000A95C49B80@itinfo.dk> Message-ID: <5F8ADCC6-0D87-11D8-B2A0-000A95C49B80@itinfo.dk> Yes, to my best knowledge you will be effected ... but "only" on Windows. On the Mac ... no problem. And you will have no problems when starting up in developer mode. On 2/11-2003, at 23.13, Alex Rice wrote: > > On Nov 2, 2003, at 4:27 AM, Carsten Levin wrote: > >> Yes, it is in Bugzilla, we reported it apx. 3 weeks ago, later got a >> response that it is solved (but the solution is probably not in the >> present download). >> You write that you dont understand the problem ...: >> "the directory"/"the defaultfolder"/"the current folder" (i dont know >> why there are so many words for the same) is usually set to the path >> of the Revolution Application or the Revolution Runtime/exe file >> running the application. >> It is always the case on Mac OS. >> On Windows XP it is so, but only when running in development-mode. >> When running in non-dev mode it is different. When doubleclicking the >> name.rev file it is set to the path to this file. On Windows 98 it is >> in come cases set to C:/. >> Sorry for not explaining this better in the first mail. >> This inconsistense/bug causes the solutions to fail if you have >> desided to put some common libraries or graphics file in the folder >> containing the Revolution application or runtime. >> You should probably see it as a problem when a development tool >> starts to use its fundamental parts in random. >> >> But as I wrote in the first report ... I am confident that RunRev >> knows about this and that it will be solved soon. >> > > It does not appear to be fixed yet. I wouldn't be so confident until > it's marked fixed in bugzilla. > > id=793> > > > This is the command I have been using on startup to resolve the > defaultFolder. Can anyone tell me if this bug 793 is going to effect > me? > > -- > -- fixDefaultFolder > -- > on fixDefaultFolder > put the fileName of this stack into tFileName > set the itemDelimiter to "/" > get item 1 to -2 of tFileName > set the defaultFolder to it > end fixDefaultFolder > > > Alex Rice | Mindlube Software | > > > what a waste of thumbs that are opposable > to make machines that are disposable -Ani DiFranco > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From alex at mindlube.com Sun Nov 2 18:03:24 2003 From: alex at mindlube.com (Alex Rice) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 16:03:24 -0700 Subject: Can cards in a stack be of different sizes In-Reply-To: <3FA58935.6A13E003@hrz.uni-kassel.de> References: <3FA58935.6A13E003@hrz.uni-kassel.de> Message-ID: On Nov 2, 2003, at 3:46 PM, Wilhelm Sanke wrote: > Sure, they can: > > Have a look at the Glossary stack. All cards have different sizes. > > In the preopencard handler you may find some hints: > > " -- set the height of the card to the total needed height > > put the top of this stack into savedTop > set the height of this window to the formattedHeight of this card > set the height of graphic "Border" to the formattedHeight of this > card > > set the top of graphic "Border" to zero > set the top of this stack to savedTop" I've looked, and I have no idea where you pulled that code from. What you show above is just "change the size of the stack window as we go along". So yes, you can fake it but the stack has to be resized by scripting, right? Alex Rice | Mindlube Software | what a waste of thumbs that are opposable to make machines that are disposable -Ani DiFranco From pixelbird at interisland.net Sun Nov 2 18:16:10 2003 From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris) Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2003 15:16:10 -0800 Subject: Losing the amateur. In-Reply-To: <20031102140336.515639300BF@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: Hello Ryno, Alex, > From: Alex Rice > Subject: Re: Losing the amateur. > To: How to use Revolution > On Nov 2, 2003, at 12:34 AM, Ryno Swart wrote: > >> >> Hi folks, >> I am just a bit disappointed. > $75 for the "Express" version is not prohibitive even for amateurs, > unless they are only looking for free software. ---------- You bet. That's $24 US less than Apple's HyperCard, which has been effectively "steved" for over 6 years, and, for all its attributes, is not in the same modern ball park, utitlity-wise, as Rev, and $54 US less, straight out, than SuperCard is for a HyperCard crossgrade deal. NOTE: I'm not knocking SuperCard. I have the Developer's Edition, and use it a lot (great editor choices). Plus, believe it or not, I still find some of HC's solid features worth keeping it aboard. In short, though, take your best shot. I don't think you can beat Rev for $75. True, you can only develop and distribute for a single platform with this version, but the same is true of other xTalk products in that class. So if it is so that you actually have to pay a paltry $75 for what may arguably be the best-in-class developer tool in the world...well, please forgive me if I fail see the reason for the complaint. Ken N. From pixelbird at interisland.net Sun Nov 2 18:30:02 2003 From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris) Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2003 15:30:02 -0800 Subject: Opening stacks In-Reply-To: <20031102170004.ACCA39300FC@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: Hi Rob, > From: Rob Cozens > Subject: Re: Opening stacks > To: How to use Revolution >>> Double-clicking does it for me on Mac OS 10.2. >> ---------- >> Hmmm. I didn't know that, but... >> >> I'm in OS 9.2.1, and double-clicking doesn't work under Rev 2.0.1. > > Perhaps you're one minor release away, Ken: iBook running OS 9 and > Rev 2.0.2 opens my Rev stacks when they are double clicked. ---------- I would've done that except I can't find Rev 2.0.2. The licensing looks like I need to buy a new one for 2.1. I'm more than willing as soon as I can support it, but business is very slow at the moment. Where can I D/L 2.0.2? Ken N. From psahores at easynet.fr Sun Nov 2 18:41:56 2003 From: psahores at easynet.fr (Pierre Sahores) Date: 03 Nov 2003 00:41:56 +0100 Subject: Losing the amateur. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1067816515.2785.34.camel@www.kmax.ici> Le lun 03/11/2003 ? 00:16, Ken Norris a ?crit : > So if it is so that you actually have to pay a paltry $75 for what may > arguably be the best-in-class developer tool in the world...well, please > forgive me if I fail see the reason for the complaint. > > Ken N. > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores 100, rue de Paris F - 77140 Nemours psahores at easynet.fr GSM: +33 6 03 95 77 70 Pro: +33 1 41 60 52 68 Dom: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Fax: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Inspection acad?mique de Seine-Saint-Denis Applications et SGBD ACID SQL (WEB et PGI) Penser et produire "delta de productivit?" From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net Sun Nov 2 18:46:34 2003 From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas J McGrath III) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 18:46:34 -0500 Subject: Can cards in a stack be of different sizes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: My question is: If I have already created a main stack with a bunch of cards in it then how can I add a splash screen to it? Can I make a substack open up first then go to the main stack? If not how else can I do this? It seems it is an important preplanning stage then to decide if you are going to need a splash screen. Thanks all, Tom On Sunday, November 2, 2003, at 02:51 PM, Alex Rice wrote: >> What is a substack and how do you use it > For example an application might use substacks for a preferences > window, and a toolbar window. And use the mainstack for the main > window. Or use the mainstack for a "splash" screen, and use a substack > for other windows. Thomas J McGrath III Advanced Media Group 220 Drake Rd. Bethel Park, PA 15102 3mcgrath at adelphia.net From jhurley at infostations.com Sat Nov 1 19:49:43 2003 From: jhurley at infostations.com (Jim Hurley) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 16:49:43 -0800 Subject: use-revolution Digest, Vol 2, Issue 7 In-Reply-To: <20031102205305.DF5A99300FD@mail.runrev.com> References: <20031102205305.DF5A99300FD@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: > >Message: 6 >Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 13:47:33 -0500 >From: "Russell" >Subject: Can cards in a stack be of different sizes >To: >Message-ID: <001a01c3a171$c73dfa50$6501a8c0 at S0031724895> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >Hello people > >Can cards in a stack be of different sizes > >What is a substack and how do you use it > >Thanks > >Russ Russ, Not really, but you can effectively make every card in your stack a different size. You might do something like this in the card script: Card 1 on preOpenStack --Increase the width and height by 100 put the rect of this stack into tRect add 100 to item 3 of tRect add 100 to item 4 of tRect set the rect of this stack to tRect end preOpenStack Card 2 on preOpenStack --Decrease the width and height by 100 put the rect of this stack into tRect add -100 to item 3 of tRect add -100 to item 4 of tRect set the rect of this stack to tRect end preOpenStack You can also "set the width of this stack to ..." & "set the height of this stack to..." But you might want to use the rect of the stack to fix the upper left corner (put the rect of this stack into tRect; set the top of this stack to item 2 of tRect; set the left of this stack to item 1 of tRect) Create cards of arbitrary size (within the bounds of the stack max and min heights and widths as well as arbitrary location.) Jim From jhurley at infostations.com Sat Nov 1 19:50:28 2003 From: jhurley at infostations.com (Jim Hurley) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 16:50:28 -0800 Subject: Can cards in a stack be of different sizes In-Reply-To: <20031102205305.DF5A99300FD@mail.runrev.com> References: <20031102205305.DF5A99300FD@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: > >Message: 6 >Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 13:47:33 -0500 >From: "Russell" >Subject: Can cards in a stack be of different sizes >To: >Message-ID: <001a01c3a171$c73dfa50$6501a8c0 at S0031724895> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >Hello people > >Can cards in a stack be of different sizes > >What is a substack and how do you use it > >Thanks > >Russ Russ, Not really, but you can effectively make every card in your stack a different size. You might do something like this in the card script: Card 1 on preOpenStack --Increase the width and height by 100 put the rect of this stack into tRect add 100 to item 3 of tRect add 100 to item 4 of tRect set the rect of this stack to tRect end preOpenStack Card 2 on preOpenStack --Decrease the width and height by 100 put the rect of this stack into tRect add -100 to item 3 of tRect add -100 to item 4 of tRect set the rect of this stack to tRect end preOpenStack You can also "set the width of this stack to ..." & "set the height of this stack to..." But you might want to use the rect of the stack to fix the upper left corner (put the rect of this stack into tRect; set the top of this stack to item 2 of tRect; set the left of this stack to item 1 of tRect) Create cards of arbitrary size (within the bounds of the stack max and min heights and widths as well as arbitrary location.) Jim From kkaufman at snet.net Sun Nov 2 20:26:03 2003 From: kkaufman at snet.net (Kurt Kaufman) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 20:26:03 -0500 Subject: Can cards in a stack be of different sizes Message-ID: "...What you show above is just 'change the size of the stack window as we go along'. So yes, you can fake it but the stack has to be resized by scripting, right?..." This brings up an interesting thought: To what extent are Rev's objects created, sized, etc. at runtime? For that matter, aren't they actually instructions handed off to the operating system, anyway (as opposed to, say, something like HyperCard's field scrollbars which I understand to have been "internal", i.e. not using the operating system's built-in resources). -Kurt From kkaufman at snet.net Sun Nov 2 20:35:26 2003 From: kkaufman at snet.net (Kurt Kaufman) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 20:35:26 -0500 Subject: messages out-of-order in time Message-ID: <000D700F-0D9E-11D8-98E1-0003937052EC@snet.net> I have noted that messages appearing at: http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/ are often out of order. A reply can appear before the original question is asked. Just now, for instance, a message has appeared which will be written in the future, :-) and appears after my reply (further down the list). I know this must have something to do with time zones, but all of the messages are listed in EST (eastern USA time zone) on my computer when I access the above site. -Kurt From alex at mindlube.com Sun Nov 2 21:03:50 2003 From: alex at mindlube.com (Alex Rice) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 19:03:50 -0700 Subject: Can cards in a stack be of different sizes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Nov 2, 2003, at 6:26 PM, Kurt Kaufman wrote: > "...What you show above is just 'change the size of the stack window > as we go > along'. So yes, you can fake it but the stack has to be resized by > scripting, right?..." > > This brings up an interesting thought: To what extent are Rev's > objects created, sized, etc. at runtime? 100% and that's the beauty of it. Transcript compiles on the fly. In fact the Rev IDE is itself a bunch of Rev stacks. So you can add/remove/change any object, all at runtime. > For that matter, aren't they actually instructions handed off to the > operating system, anyway (as opposed to, say, something like > HyperCard's field scrollbars which I understand to have been > "internal", i.e. not using the operating system's built-in resources). Of all the Rev look and feels, only Mac OS Appearance Manager is natively drawn by the OS. All others including Mac OS, Windows and Unix are all "emulated". This means the OS just thinks that Revolution is drawing an image- but it's actually a scene showing all of the controls and widgets. Alex Rice | Mindlube Software | what a waste of thumbs that are opposable to make machines that are disposable -Ani DiFranco From scott at tactilemedia.com Sun Nov 2 21:45:06 2003 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2003 18:45:06 -0800 Subject: Losing the amateur. In-Reply-To: <2E31A7F8-0D0F-11D8-93AD-000393C4760A@mindlube.com> Message-ID: >> To Scott Rossi: >> I was and am dead keen to download Scott's Ouija stack (I love your >> more personal work, Scott), but I ran into a few problems. >> First, the stack appears to require Rev version 2.1, and would not >> even download to my version 2.0.1. Couldn't these stacks be saved to, >> for example, version 1? > > The stack format has not changed (ever?) I believe. Maybe not since > metacard earlier versions. But maybe Scott uses *features* that are new > in 2.1? Just guessing- Scott can answer of course. Actually, I'm not sure what the effective differences are between 2.1 and 2.0. I believe the MetaCard ownership transition falls in sometime around the version change (I could be wrong), and since MC was always a small step ahead of RR, I figured it was safer to recommend use of RR 2.1 As far as supporting 1.1 goes, it might be possible, but for something that technically should *not* be run within the development environment (the intended delivery of our stack is via our downloadable player), it's not really worth it to me to go to this trouble for a freebie stack. I don't want this to come across as callous -- we already have several demo stacks that we have available on our site free of charge, and will often post little tidbits to the list now and then. So if you miss out on this one, don't worry there will be others to come. But I would strongly encourage use of 2.x since I believe the feature set is better than 1.x If you have further questions/problems with our stacks, please feel free to contact me directly -- I'll try to help where I can. Best Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design ----- E: scott at tactilemedia.com W: http://www.tactilemedia.com From pixelbird at interisland.net Sun Nov 2 22:01:51 2003 From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris) Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2003 19:01:51 -0800 Subject: Undocumented QT effects In-Reply-To: <20031029150720.81C1A9300CE@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: Howdy, I can't find them now, but I wanted to know: Where are the undocumented QT effects and how can we implement them in Rev? TIA, Ken N. From dsc at swcp.com Sun Nov 2 22:13:48 2003 From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 20:13:48 -0700 Subject: Depth first search in RR/MC/HC? In-Reply-To: <20031102210640.39374.qmail@web11105.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Sunday, November 2, 2003, at 02:06 PM, Eric Engle wrote: > Does anyone have a script handy which would implement either a depth > first or > breadth search on a data tree? How are you thinking of the data tree representation? I have a library called boxes that has been stagnating at "almost" for half a year; it can handle a tree. An enhancement on bugzilla is nested arrays values. That might be even better. In the mean time, you will need figure out something. Once you have some notion of how you want to represent that, then the search will fall out. Dar Scott From sarahr at genesearch.com.au Sun Nov 2 22:31:39 2003 From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 13:31:39 +1000 Subject: Mouse scroll wheel in Mac OS 9 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3C97EF2C-0DAE-11D8-A696-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au> Have a look at USB Overdrive - it MIGHT allow you to specify a scroll wheel even in OS 9. Sarah On Saturday, November 1, 2003, at 07:56 am, Greg DeVore wrote: > I posted about this question before but that was right before the list > went down. Does anyone know how to get the mouse scroll wheel to work > under OS 9? As far as I can tell Revolution doesn't receive a > rawkeydown message from the scroll wheel in OS 9. I wrote a little > app to test this (it would put the rawkey number into a field). Under > OS 10 I get a keynumber - in OS 9 nothing. > Any suggestions? > Thanks > Greg DeVore > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > From jtenny at willamette.edu Sun Nov 2 23:04:18 2003 From: jtenny at willamette.edu (John Tenny) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 20:04:18 -0800 Subject: Panther? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Installed panther a couple days ago and now can't open stack by double clicking. I get the message: "The operation could not be completed. An unexpected error occurred (error code -10660)" Sounds like an Apple issue, right? It opens if I drag to the application. John Peace, John Flowing Thought Educational Solutions 503-508-3398 From jtenny at willamette.edu Sun Nov 2 23:08:59 2003 From: jtenny at willamette.edu (John Tenny) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 20:08:59 -0800 Subject: 2.1 or 2.1.1? In-Reply-To: <3C97EF2C-0DAE-11D8-A696-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au> References: <3C97EF2C-0DAE-11D8-A696-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au> Message-ID: <73963286-0DB3-11D8-9A95-000A95A4EDD2@willamette.edu> How can I tell which I have. Get Info shows 2.1 The Rev download site shows 2.1 What's different in 2.1.1? Wish they'd give the creation/modification date on the site (or do they and I'm missing it?). Peace, John From vokey at uleth.ca Sun Nov 2 23:25:09 2003 From: vokey at uleth.ca (Dr.John R.Vokey) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 21:25:09 -0700 Subject: Losing the amateur. In-Reply-To: <20031103041247.636AA9300B1@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: Ken, I think you (and many others) have missed the point. Before RR, I (or you, or anyone else) could, and did, routinely provide stacks and the url for metacard so that the users of these stacks could, indeed, use them. No standalones. No need for them to purchase the engine (however ``reasonable''---give me a break--US$75 for the minimum?)--and no need to download a net-tested, 30-day ``demo''. I have used, paid for, and promoted metacard for years (ask Scott Raney, if he agrees, to provide his records), and served as a beta-tester for RR; this RR attitude is *not* consistent with what Scott Raney and the MC team used to support. *If* a free---no network checked, 30-day ``demo''---of MC (i.e., an ``engine to run the stacks) were still (and always) freely available, I would be less concerned, but don't you (or Gay, or ...) defend the current model as ``reasonable'' as if that were the issue. It is fundamentally different. And, I believe, contrary to what most of us supporting and promoting MC over the years thought we were supporting and promoting. Like Ryno Swart, ``I am just a bit disappointed.'' Forget that: I am totally disappointed. On Sunday, November 2, 2003, at 09:12 PM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com wrote: >>> >>> Hi folks, >>> I am just a bit disappointed. > >> $75 for the "Express" version is not prohibitive even for amateurs, >> unless they are only looking for free software. > ---------- > You bet. > > That's $24 US less than Apple's HyperCard, which has been effectively > "steved" for over 6 years, and, for all its attributes, is not in the > same > modern ball park, utitlity-wise, as Rev, and $54 US less, straight > out, than > SuperCard is for a HyperCard crossgrade deal. > > NOTE: I'm not knocking SuperCard. I have the Developer's Edition, and > use it > a lot (great editor choices). Plus, believe it or not, I still find > some of > HC's solid features worth keeping it aboard. > > In short, though, take your best shot. I don't think you can beat Rev > for > $75. True, you can only develop and distribute for a single platform > with > this version, but the same is true of other xTalk products in that > class. > > So if it is so that you actually have to pay a paltry $75 for what may > arguably be the best-in-class developer tool in the world...well, > please > forgive me if I fail see the reason for the complaint. > > Ken N. > -- John R. Vokey, Ph.D. |\ _,,,---,,_ Professor /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ Department of Psychology and Neuroscience |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' University of Lethbridge '---''(_/--' `-'\_) From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sun Nov 2 23:46:54 2003 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2003 22:46:54 -0600 Subject: Losing the amateur. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3FA5DDBE.2010809@hyperactivesw.com> On 11/2/03 10:25 PM, Dr.John R.Vokey wrote: > Ken, > I think you (and many others) have missed the point. Before RR, I (or > you, or anyone else) could, and did, routinely provide stacks and the > url for metacard so that the users of these stacks could, indeed, use > them. No standalones. No need for them to purchase the engine (however > ``reasonable''---give me a break--US$75 for the minimum?)--and no need > to download a net-tested, 30-day ``demo''. > > I have used, paid for, and promoted metacard for years (ask Scott Raney, > if he agrees, to provide his records), and served as a beta-tester for > RR; this RR attitude is *not* consistent with what Scott Raney and the > MC team used to support. *If* a free---no network checked, 30-day > ``demo''---of MC (i.e., an ``engine to run the stacks) were still (and > always) freely available, I would be less concerned, but don't you (or > Gay, or ...) defend the current model as ``reasonable'' as if that were > the issue. It is fundamentally different. And, I believe, contrary to > what most of us supporting and promoting MC over the years thought we > were supporting and promoting. Like Ryno Swart, ``I am just a bit > disappointed.'' Forget that: I am totally disappointed. Um. There is nothing preventing anyone from creating a one-card standalone and making it available for free as a player. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From alex at mindlube.com Sun Nov 2 23:59:36 2003 From: alex at mindlube.com (Alex Rice) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 21:59:36 -0700 Subject: Losing the amateur. In-Reply-To: <3FA5DDBE.2010809@hyperactivesw.com> References: <3FA5DDBE.2010809@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <85D15C7D-0DBA-11D8-AE21-000393C4760A@mindlube.com> On Nov 2, 2003, at 9:46 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > Um. There is nothing preventing anyone from creating a one-card > standalone and making it available for free as a player. In fact I think Scott Rossi has done that for his various games and demos on his site. Don't know if it's general purpose though. But I definitely missed the point of Ryno and John. I do understand that the licensing changes have been major. I shouldn't presume anything- because I was not on the scene for Hypercard nor even Metacard. Sorry guys. It would be interesting if Scott Raney would followup on this thread. (hint, hint) :-) Alex Rice | Mindlube Software | what a waste of thumbs that are opposable to make machines that are disposable -Ani DiFranco From sarahr at genesearch.com.au Sun Nov 2 23:51:37 2003 From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 14:51:37 +1000 Subject: PreNewbie database question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <67FC6921-0DB9-11D8-A696-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au> Hi Jim, Revolution can act as a MySQL client and connect to a MySQL server. The server can be running on your computer, on another computer in your network, or on another computer anywhere on the internet. Wherever it is, you need to supply an address for Rev to connect to. If the server is on your own computer, it can be "localhost" or "127.0.0.0". Then you have to have permission to access each database. Permission can include not only your name but the IP address you are connecting from. If you can, I recommend installing MySQL server on your own computer for testing purposes. At my web site, I have two Rev stacks for testing MySQL: MySQLtests.rev is the more complete and has an help section that gives a bit of information about installing but I only use OS X and I don't know how much of this translates to other platforms. The information about setting up permissions should work anywhere. Cheers, Sarah sarahr at genesearch.com.au http://www.troz.net/Rev/ On Saturday, November 1, 2003, at 06:15 am, Jim Hurley wrote: > I've tried a couple of times to use mySQL but I can't get to first > base. > > When I open RR Database query builder I see two tabs: Connection and > Record set. > > Does this imply that mySQL works only with web based data? (Yes, I've > read the article in the Revolution Encyclopedia.) From alex at mindlube.com Mon Nov 3 00:05:27 2003 From: alex at mindlube.com (Alex Rice) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 22:05:27 -0700 Subject: Can cards in a stack be of different sizes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5715D0D2-0DBB-11D8-AE21-000393C4760A@mindlube.com> On Nov 2, 2003, at 4:46 PM, Thomas J McGrath III wrote: > If not how else can I do this? It seems it is an important preplanning > stage then to decide if you are going to need a splash screen. Here is one way: -- open current project "X" -- create new mainstack "Y" -- message box: set the mainstack of stack "X" to "Y" -- save project "Y" -- now your old project is a substack of "Y" -- create your splash screen on the card of stack "Y" -- use startup, preopencard, preopenstack to display and hide the splash screen -- after splash screen is finished just hide stack "Y" go stack "X" Hope this helps, Alex Rice | Mindlube Software | what a waste of thumbs that are opposable to make machines that are disposable -Ani DiFranco From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net Mon Nov 3 00:10:42 2003 From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas J McGrath III) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 00:10:42 -0500 Subject: Losing the amateur. In-Reply-To: <3FA5DDBE.2010809@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <12BE719D-0DBC-11D8-9405-000A95DA60FA@adelphia.net> I don't normally get into this kind of stupid arguments but I must be tired or something. Is the Dr. in front of you name stand for Doctor??? If so I can't believe you are complaining that $75. is not reasonable for Rev. I bet you don't feel that way about the work you do, I bet you charge top dollar. And that for things people can't live without - you have them over a barrel. If you say you don't I won't believe it because you choose to display the Dr. before your name which is all I needed to see. And like the lady said, you could easily just build a player and be done with it. So why the complaining? Why the disappointment? Why the cheapness? Jac, There are doers and talkers out there, I can tell you are a doer. :-) Good for you. PS I spent my money on the enterprise version and absolutely am not disappointed! (I would like my manuals though) :-) Oh well, I opened my mouth now. Tom - The Amateur On Sunday, November 2, 2003, at 11:46 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > On 11/2/03 10:25 PM, Dr.John R.Vokey wrote: > >> (however ``reasonable''---give me a break--US$75 for the minimum?)-- >> *If* a free---no network checked, 30-day ``demo''---of MC (i.e., an >> ``engine to run the stacks) were still (and always) freely available, >> I would be less concerned, but don't you (or Gay, or ...) defend the >> current model as ``reasonable'' as if that were the issue. >> `I am just a bit disappointed.'' Forget that: I am totally >> disappointed. > > Um. There is nothing preventing anyone from creating a one-card > standalone and making it available for free as a player. > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From rxfeldman at comcast.net Mon Nov 3 00:13:28 2003 From: rxfeldman at comcast.net (Russell) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 00:13:28 -0500 Subject: Can cards in a stack be of different sizes Message-ID: <003c01c3a1c9$37d94470$6501a8c0@S0031724895> Thanks guys For taking to the time to ponder my questions, Then it is agreed that the apparent mixed card sizes is a programming slight of hand rather than a Revolution feature. If that be the case, How does the developer design on different size cards then assemble them into a stack of one size ? How would I get the "Glossary" stack open in development mode in order to review the code & design of the different cards?? Thank you Russ From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net Mon Nov 3 00:18:21 2003 From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas J McGrath III) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 00:18:21 -0500 Subject: Can cards in a stack be of different sizes In-Reply-To: <5715D0D2-0DBB-11D8-AE21-000393C4760A@mindlube.com> Message-ID: <23FEFB7E-0DBD-11D8-9405-000A95DA60FA@adelphia.net> I will give that a try. Thank you. Although it seems that it would then be possible to: open stack x Hide stack x open stack y -- splash close stack y show stack x or open hidden stack x open stack y -- splash hide stack y show stack x What would I know. Tom On Monday, November 3, 2003, at 12:05 AM, Alex Rice wrote: > > On Nov 2, 2003, at 4:46 PM, Thomas J McGrath III wrote: > >> If not how else can I do this? It seems it is an important >> preplanning stage then to decide if you are going to need a splash >> screen. > > Here is one way: > > -- open current project "X" > -- create new mainstack "Y" > -- message box: > set the mainstack of stack "X" to "Y" > -- save project "Y" > -- now your old project is a substack of "Y" > -- create your splash screen on the card of stack "Y" > -- use startup, preopencard, preopenstack to display and hide the > splash screen > -- after splash screen is finished just > hide stack "Y" > go stack "X" > > Hope this helps, > > Alex Rice | Mindlube Software | > > > what a waste of thumbs that are opposable > to make machines that are disposable -Ani DiFranco > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > Thomas J McGrath III Advanced Media Group 220 Drake Rd. Bethel Park, PA 15102 3mcgrath at adelphia.net From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net Mon Nov 3 00:22:47 2003 From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas J McGrath III) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 00:22:47 -0500 Subject: Can cards in a stack be of different sizes In-Reply-To: <003c01c3a1c9$37d94470$6501a8c0@S0031724895> Message-ID: Russ, I believe you can view the UI elements in the application browser and then find the glossary stack and then view the scripts in it. I have done this but still did not find what they pasted on the list. I want to create a glossary feature in a stack and well the pieces seem to be all over the place in REV and I gave up - for now - instead I will put in a search field and glossary page. Tom On Monday, November 3, 2003, at 12:13 AM, Russell wrote: > Thanks guys > > For taking to the time to ponder my questions, > > Then it is agreed that the apparent mixed card sizes is a programming > slight of hand rather than a Revolution feature. > > If that be the case, How does the developer design on different size > cards then assemble them into a stack of one size ? > > How would I get the "Glossary" stack open in development mode in order > to review the code & design of the different cards?? > > Thank you > > Russ > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > Thomas J McGrath III Advanced Media Group 220 Drake Rd. Bethel Park, PA 15102 3mcgrath at adelphia.net From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net Mon Nov 3 00:43:17 2003 From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas J McGrath III) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 00:43:17 -0500 Subject: Can cards in a stack be of different sizes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9FF15AC8-0DC0-11D8-9405-000A95DA60FA@adelphia.net> BTW, would it be just as easy to create different substacks of different static sizes instead of cards in a stack of different sizes? Just a thought. Tom On Monday, November 3, 2003, at 12:22 AM, Thomas J McGrath III wrote: > Russ, > > I believe you can view the UI elements in the application browser and > then find the glossary stack and then view the scripts in it. I have > done this but still did not find what they pasted on the list. > > I want to create a glossary feature in a stack and well the pieces > seem to be all over the place in REV and I gave up - for now - instead > I will put in a search field and glossary page. > > Tom > > > On Monday, November 3, 2003, at 12:13 AM, Russell wrote: > >> Thanks guys >> >> For taking to the time to ponder my questions, >> >> Then it is agreed that the apparent mixed card sizes is a programming >> slight of hand rather than a Revolution feature. >> >> If that be the case, How does the developer design on different size >> cards then assemble them into a stack of one size ? >> >> How would I get the "Glossary" stack open in development mode in >> order to review the code & design of the different cards?? >> >> Thank you >> >> Russ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> >> > > Thomas J McGrath III > Advanced Media Group > > 220 Drake Rd. > Bethel Park, PA 15102 > 3mcgrath at adelphia.net > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > Thomas J McGrath III Advanced Media Group 220 Drake Rd. Bethel Park, PA 15102 3mcgrath at adelphia.net From david at kwinter.ca Mon Nov 3 00:48:34 2003 From: david at kwinter.ca (David Kwinter) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 22:48:34 -0700 Subject: Losing the amateur. In-Reply-To: <85D15C7D-0DBA-11D8-AE21-000393C4760A@mindlube.com> Message-ID: <5CD486EC-0DC1-11D8-B253-000393881C54@kwinter.ca> I agree completely with Ryon. I think Revolution 1.1.1 and the 2.x are completely different products. The upgrade was far from seamless in both functionality and hobbyist-appeal. Does anyone else have large projects which run fine in 1.1.1 but not any 2.x? Like the concorde, for the meantime the future is behind us. On Sunday, November 2, 2003, at 09:59 PM, Alex Rice wrote: > > On Nov 2, 2003, at 9:46 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > >> Um. There is nothing preventing anyone from creating a one-card >> standalone and making it available for free as a player. > > In fact I think Scott Rossi has done that for his various games and > demos on his site. Don't know if it's general purpose though. > > But I definitely missed the point of Ryno and John. I do understand > that the licensing changes have been major. I shouldn't presume > anything- because I was not on the scene for Hypercard nor even > Metacard. Sorry guys. > > It would be interesting if Scott Raney would followup on this thread. > (hint, hint) :-) > > Alex Rice | Mindlube Software | > > > what a waste of thumbs that are opposable > to make machines that are disposable -Ani DiFranco > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From alex at mindlube.com Mon Nov 3 00:57:12 2003 From: alex at mindlube.com (Alex Rice) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 22:57:12 -0700 Subject: Depth first search in RR/MC/HC? In-Reply-To: <20031102210640.39374.qmail@web11105.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031102210640.39374.qmail@web11105.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9184D5EC-0DC2-11D8-AE21-000393C4760A@mindlube.com> On Nov 2, 2003, at 2:06 PM, Eric Engle wrote: > Does anyone have a script handy which would implement either a depth > first or > breadth search on a data tree? In the xml-treeview.rev demo stack in the Samples folder of Revolution there is a function that is called recursively: function DoAddControls pLongOwnerID, pPath in the script of the button "Create XML from stack". I guess it's depth first. In fact revXML might be useful if you need to search for a particular node in a tree of data. It has a number of functions for getting an XML node based on different search parameters. Pretty cools stuff. Alex Rice | Mindlube Software | what a waste of thumbs that are opposable to make machines that are disposable -Ani DiFranco From pixelbird at interisland.net Mon Nov 3 01:04:10 2003 From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris) Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2003 22:04:10 -0800 Subject: More about PNG In-Reply-To: <20031029150720.81C1A9300CE@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: Howdy, I had a copy of PS on my old PB1400 that makes the right type of PNGs. I linked it to my G4, so I was able to produce some proper PNG translucent files that sort of work, but... I was hoping for some control in Rev, but no go. In the Mac ink commands, I can make an *adMin* transparency that clearly shows through what's behind it, i.e., black text still shows up black, even with full-bright colors in the gradient graphic. This is what I need. But, the PNG won't do that, i.e., at 50% the text under it is washed out, even while its own colors are washed out as well. I can't seem to have transparency and full color in All Platform mode. Is there another type of graphic image type or ink that will give what I need? Any advice on this dilemna? Ken N. From erikhans08 at yahoo.com Mon Nov 3 01:16:09 2003 From: erikhans08 at yahoo.com (erik hansen) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 22:16:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: repeat for.. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20031103061609.24786.qmail@web20009.mail.yahoo.com> --- Dar Scott wrote: > > function testLoop pData > put empty into resultLines ... is this any different than using: local resultLines? thanks, Erik ===== erik at erikhansen.org http://www.erikhansen.org __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From SteelWeaver52 at aol.com Mon Nov 3 01:20:09 2003 From: SteelWeaver52 at aol.com (SteelWeaver52 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 01:20:09 EST Subject: Losing the amateur Message-ID: <131.26142066.2cd74d99@aol.com> A user said: >And, I believe, contrary to what most of us supporting and >promoting MC over the years thought we were supporting and promoting. >Like Ryno Swart, ``I am just a bit disappointed.'' Forget that: I am >totally disappointed. Frankly, I can't get into this sentiment. I really can't. The only thing RunRev can do is make you an offer of a software product in exchange for pieces of paper with pictures of Presidents on them (or the Queen, or whatever). This offer essentially increases the number of options currently available to you. If this exchange advances your position, then make the exchange. If the exchange does not advance your interests, then you are free to manage your affairs the way you would have if RunRev had never made the offer in the first place. So, the worst you can do is maintain your position. The best you can do is advance your position, if the RunRev product happens to hold more value than the paper with the pictures of the Presidents. Well, I guess there is a third option: you can produce a product even BETTER than RunRev, and provide it to customers at LOWER COST than RunRev! That would teach those sinister guys at RunRev a lesson! ---Tom Nally, New Orleans From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net Mon Nov 3 02:01:56 2003 From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas J McGrath III) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 02:01:56 -0500 Subject: More about PNG In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9C7A99CA-0DCB-11D8-9405-000A95DA60FA@adelphia.net> Ken, I haven't had time to really dig deep but I would not apply any inks to the image. I just brought a png file that was made in PS with no background(checkerboard) into REV put it over a bunch of text and images and perfect translucency. Is that what you wanted? if not please explain. If it is, send me the image and I will see. I do have a pretty heavy background in image manipulation. Tom On Monday, November 3, 2003, at 01:04 AM, Ken Norris wrote: > Howdy, > > I had a copy of PS on my old PB1400 that makes the right type of PNGs. > I > linked it to my G4, so I was able to produce some proper PNG > translucent > files that sort of work, but... > > I was hoping for some control in Rev, but no go. In the Mac ink > commands, I > can make an *adMin* transparency that clearly shows through what's > behind > it, i.e., black text still shows up black, even with full-bright > colors in > the gradient graphic. This is what I need. > > But, the PNG won't do that, i.e., at 50% the text under it is washed > out, > even while its own colors are washed out as well. I can't seem to have > transparency and full color in All Platform mode. > > Is there another type of graphic image type or ink that will give what > I > need? Any advice on this dilemna? > > Ken N. > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > Thomas J McGrath III Advanced Media Group 220 Drake Rd. Bethel Park, PA 15102 3mcgrath at adelphia.net From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net Mon Nov 3 02:11:21 2003 From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas J McGrath III) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 02:11:21 -0500 Subject: Keynote Message-ID: I just got Keynote, and it does have a big problem for the importing of PPT files. That is if the PPT has clipped images then keynote will not handle them and mess them up. But for the rest it works great. For those not sure what this is about, you can take PPT files and import them into Keynote and clean up the above problem apply any cool keynote features as well and then export as interactive QuickTime mov for use in REV. Then in REV the user can see (full screen or smaller if needed) the presentations done from either PPT or keynote with FULL interactivity ie. builds, animations transitions etc. The other issue is no hyperlinks. But I think hotspots in QT will handle that or invisible buttons in REV can in some instances. But if I use the invisible buttons in REv then I just export PNGs of single slides directly from PPT into REV. I will play more with the Hotspots and get back with that info. Tom Thomas J McGrath III Advanced Media Group 220 Drake Rd. Bethel Park, PA 15102 3mcgrath at adelphia.net From pixelbird at interisland.net Mon Nov 3 02:39:18 2003 From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris) Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2003 23:39:18 -0800 Subject: Can cards in a stack be of different sizes In-Reply-To: <20031103041247.7B1DE9300B2@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: Hi Tom, > Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 18:46:34 -0500 > From: Thomas J McGrath III <3mcgrath at adelphia.net> > Subject: Re: Can cards in a stack be of different sizes > > My question is: > If I have already created a main stack with a bunch of cards in it then > how can I add a splash screen to it? Can I make a substack open up > first then go to the main stack? If not how else can I do this? It > seems it is an important preplanning stage then to decide if you are > going to need a splash screen. ---------- There may be a better approach, but from where you are you can just set the stack window offscreen in a preOpenStack handler, then open the Splash, initialize, then close it and reposition the Main stack. I don't like it though. The user could conceiveably accidentally Quit without saving by clicking the window's close button. So, it might be better to copy everything into a substack and empty out the main, turn it into a splash/initializer. It can carry all the global references to data files, image files, preferences, etc., as well as the engine at build time, then send it offscreen. That way, the user can't accidentally close it. Sort of the standard way to do it, but not absolute. HTH, Ken N. From pixelbird at interisland.net Mon Nov 3 04:15:32 2003 From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 01:15:32 -0800 Subject: Can cards in a stack be of different sizes In-Reply-To: <20031103061719.248A79300FB@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: Hi Alex, > Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 22:05:27 -0700 > From: Alex Rice > Subject: Re: Can cards in a stack be of different sizes > set the mainstack of stack "X" to "Y" ---------- I need to see this work...I tried it and got an compile error. Ken N. From itrunrev at itinfo.dk Mon Nov 3 04:17:54 2003 From: itrunrev at itinfo.dk (Carsten Levin) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 10:17:54 +0100 Subject: Can cards in a stack be of different sizes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9B35F514-0DDE-11D8-80A5-000A95C49B80@itinfo.dk> Could you include the script lines that caused the compile error? Carsten On 3/11-2003, at 10.15, Ken Norris wrote: > Hi Alex, > >> Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 22:05:27 -0700 >> From: Alex Rice >> Subject: Re: Can cards in a stack be of different sizes > >> set the mainstack of stack "X" to "Y" > ---------- > I need to see this work...I tried it and got an compile error. > > Ken N. From runrevlist at itinfo.dk Sat Nov 1 12:56:50 2003 From: runrevlist at itinfo.dk (Carsten Levin) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 18:56:50 +0100 Subject: Opening stacks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On our Windoes XP and Mac OS X computers Revolution is opening when the files are double clicked ... at least when we give them the suffix .rev ... could this be the solution? On 1/11-2003, at 18.49, Ken Norris wrote: > Hi Rob, > >> From: Rob Cozens >> Subject: Re: Opening stacks >> To: How to use Revolution >> >>> How do I get (non-standalone) stacks to open Rev when I >>> doubleclick the file? >> >> Hi Ken, >> >> Double-clicking does it for me on Mac OS 10.2. > ---------- > Hmmm. I didn't know that, but... > > I'm in OS 9.2.1, and double-clicking doesn't work under Rev 2.0.1. The > Macs > I may be using for some projects will not run OSX. > > So can I do something to the stack files, other than standalone? Right > now, > I keep a Rev alias in the folders, and I D&D the stack onto the Rev > alias > icon, which opens it in Rev, so it's no big deal. I was just wondering. > > Ken N. > > Ken N. > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From dsmith at duncansoftware.com Sat Nov 1 11:07:04 2003 From: dsmith at duncansoftware.com (Doug Smith) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 11:07:04 -0500 Subject: ask/answer color issue Message-ID: <000d01c3a092$3159e470$6b01a8c0@Dell8250> My stack uses a black background and white text. In a standalone the ask/answer dialogues are not legible since the text is apparently black on black. I found questions in the archives but no answers. Yes, I set my own colors for the stack and unchecked "Apply default colors". Is there a solution other than going to custom dialogues. From engleerica at yahoo.com Mon Nov 3 05:15:30 2003 From: engleerica at yahoo.com (Eric Engle) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 02:15:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: Depth first / Breadth first tree search in xTalk In-Reply-To: <20031103101439.06A799300AC@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <20031103101530.76736.qmail@web11102.mail.yahoo.com> Hi I am looking for a script to do either a breadth first or depth first search of a tree in xTalk. I have it in Java, but am trying to avoid porting it since I'm a java newbie. Thanks! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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Best Regards, Richmond Mathewson __________________________________________________ See Mathewson's software at: http://members.maclaunch.com/richmond/default.html and http://www.runrev.com/Revolution1/developercentral/usercontributions.html __________________________________________________ --------------------------------------------------------------- Great Macintosh Products The MacLaunch Store! http://www.maclaunch.com/cgi-launch/store/agora.cgi --------------------------------------------------------------- From richmond at mail.maclaunch.com Mon Nov 3 04:13:49 2003 From: richmond at mail.maclaunch.com (Mathewson) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 04:13:49 -0500 Subject: losing the amateur Message-ID: I'm right here! admittedly I got a bit hot under the collar about the end of the free version: I still use RR 2.0.1 and, frankly, think it is jolly good - when (ha, ha, ha) somebody offers me a half-decent contract to develop a program for them I will buy the more up-to-date licensed version. I don't quite understand the argument: however RR might consider making the last free version of RR (2.0.1) available for download (I've said this before) - I honestly do not believe it is going to eat into their profits in a vast way! There are pro footballers and amateur footballers and the should respect each other - and, yes, the pro footballers will be able to afford more expensive footballs: s'life! Love, Richmond __________________________________________________ See Mathewson's software at: http://members.maclaunch.com/richmond/default.html and http://www.runrev.com/Revolution1/developercentral/usercontributions.html __________________________________________________ --------------------------------------------------------------- Great Macintosh Products The MacLaunch Store! http://www.maclaunch.com/cgi-launch/store/agora.cgi --------------------------------------------------------------- From pixelbird at interisland.net Mon Nov 3 05:36:00 2003 From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 02:36:00 -0800 Subject: Can cards in a stack be of different sizes In-Reply-To: <20031103061719.248A79300FB@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: Hi Russ, > Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 00:13:28 -0500 > From: "Russell" > Subject: Re: Can cards in a stack be of different sizes > > Thanks guys > > For taking to the time to ponder my questions, > > Then it is agreed that the apparent mixed card sizes is a programming slight > of hand rather than a Revolution feature. ----------- This is a digital world, everything is slight of hand...I might be an experiment in artificial intelligence...how do you know? ----------- > If that be the case, How does the developer design on different size cards > then assemble them into a stack of one size ? ----------- You don't. You change the size at each card. preOpenCard handler. ----------- > How would I get the "Glossary" stack open in development mode in order to > review the code & design of the different cards?? ----------- Get it open then look through it with the Application Browser, I think. Check out the preOpenCard handlers. Be careful...don't change anything. Ken N. From pixelbird at interisland.net Mon Nov 3 06:02:15 2003 From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 03:02:15 -0800 Subject: More about PNG In-Reply-To: <20031103101438.C66D69300C6@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: Hi Tom. > Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 02:01:56 -0500 > From: Thomas J McGrath III <3mcgrath at adelphia.net> > Subject: Re: More about PNG > > Ken, > > I haven't had time to really dig deep but I would not apply any inks to > the image. I just brought a png file that was made in PS with no > background(checkerboard) into REV put it over a bunch of text and > images and perfect translucency. > > Is that what you wanted? if not please explain. > > If it is, send me the image and I will see. I do have a pretty heavy > background in image manipulation. ----------- Try this in a stack (on a Mac): 1) Make a field with med-large black letters. Say 24 pt. Chicago. 2) Import a shaded image (not too dark)...anything EXCEPT PNG or GIF. JPEG is fine. 3) Inspector for the graphic, in inks properties, on the Mac side (below the All Platform stuff), turn it into adMin. 4) Run it over the text. See? It doesn't change much. You can read the text right through it, totally black, but its colors are good (on a white field). 5) Take the same image to PS and make a translucent image out of it (no background), say 50% opacity (is there another way?), Save for Web, 24 bit PNG. 6) Import that to the same stack, and try it out. See, the colors are washed out from degrading the opacity, and it greys out the text under it. What say ye? TIA, Ken N. From alptex2 at orwell.net Mon Nov 3 07:14:50 2003 From: alptex2 at orwell.net (T. R. Ponn) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 07:14:50 -0500 Subject: Oops Re: 2.0.2 now available References: <3FA50D6C.6080306@orwell.net> Message-ID: <3FA646BA.5020402@orwell.net> Oops! Sorry listers! Some idiot didn't check the email addy before sending...I'll fire him! :-) T. R. Ponn wrote: > Hello Heather, > > I'm a little slow...no...a lot slow on requesting this, but I never > received my new unlock code for upgrading from 1.1.1 to 2.0.2>. I've > been so focused on creating my app that I've had 1.1.1 blinders on. > Well, now's the time for me to move to RunRev 2. I downloaded 2.0.3 > this morning...then went back thru my email and discovered that I > needed a new code. > > Please forward this as soon as you have the opportunity. > > Best Regards, > > Tim Ponn > ALPTEX, Inc. > > > Heather Williams wrote: > >> Dear listees, >> >> Revolution 2.0.2 is now available for download from our regular download >> page at >> >> www.runrev.com/Revolution1/downloads.html >> >> This is a free upgrade to all existing customers. If you have an old >> style >> license, you should have received a new unlock code by email. If you have >> not yet received this or are having any problems with it please let >> us know >> off list. >> >> Thanks for your patience in this time of growth and change for the >> Revolution! >> >> Warm Regards, >> >> Heather >> >> >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > From cassj at earthlink.net Mon Nov 3 08:09:52 2003 From: cassj at earthlink.net (James Cass) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 08:09:52 -0500 Subject: [OT] Rev on Linux PPC - Would you use it? In-Reply-To: <42D1944A-0C02-11D8-AF91-000393AD9396@pixelmedia.com.au> References: <42D1944A-0C02-11D8-AF91-000393AD9396@pixelmedia.com.au> Message-ID: <031B43F0-0DFF-11D8-9583-000393738BF6@earthlink.net> > So, IF YOU WOULD CONSIDER USING A LINUX PPC VERSION OF REV, please > DROP ME A LINE. If there is enough show of interest in this topic, > then I will message the RunRev team, and let them know that we'd > suppor their efforts in that area! I would definitely like to see Rev get the same attention for Linux on PowerPC as Windows and Mac OS X do. I would be willing to do any testing, etc to help in this effort. I run Yellow Dog Linux and Mac OS X (Panther). That's my 2 cents. - James On Oct 31, 2003, at 7:28 PM, Igor Couto wrote: > APOLOGIES FOR THE LONG POST > and also apologies for the inaccuracies in the following story. I'm > new to the Linux world, and I am totally lost in the PC world. If my > experience disagrees with yours, please do drop me a line! I'm always > willing to accept corrections and help! > > A while ago, after reading bits on this list about the current rise in > the number of Linux users around the globe, and the appearance of > 'user-friendly' Linux distributions (ie, 'Lindows'), I decided to put > my preconceptions aside, and investigate this operating system more > closely. > > Being a long-term Mac user, I have a rather old (and now, basically > useless) original iMac, that I keep as a spare computer in the guest > bedroom. It is really just a toy, which allows friends to write the > odd letter in Word, or (very slowly) browse the 'net when they stay > over for a few days. However, with a startup time of about 3 minutes, > it really is of not much use to me for day-to-day work (Revolution is > painfully slow in it). Also, considering that its market value is less > than US$200, it is not really worth selling it. So there it sits, a > nerd's forgotten toy. > > After searching around for a PPC version of Linux, I came across > 'YellowDog' (http://yellowdoglinux.com/) - a totally FREE > distribution, ONLY FOR MACs. 'Hmmm, this sounds interesting', I > thought. After 3 days of painstakingly downloading the 3 CD images > that make up the installer, I finally was able to burn the instal CDs, > and start my little iMac from CD 1. 'Hmmm, so far, so good', I > thought. > > Well, I expected a graphical installer, as advertised in the YellowDog > web site, but I really did not expect anything THAT POLISHED! The > installation was elegant, and... simple - taking about 2 and a half > hours to complete in my old, slow iMac. > > The first startup after the installation was also very surprising: it > was FAST - taking less than a minute to get to the GUI. And once I > started using the system, well, what an *incredible* delight! My > little iMac was once again FAST! And the interface, much to my > surprise, was very, very elegant, easy to navigate, and full of > refinements (and for shallow Macophiles like me, looks are very > important!). > > I had read about all kinds of problems that PC-Linux users have during > installation and configuration of their systems (problems with video, > mis-configuration of keyboard keys, inability to see internal drivers, > difficulty in configuring printers, lack of sound, etc.) that often > require *scary* trips to the command-line (remember, I'm a Macophile). > I was psychologically prepared to try to dive right in, however, in my > little iMac, everything worked absolutely *straight away*. > > I started then to investigate the bundled applications (all of them > freeware), and found a magnitude of incredibly powerful software, some > of which I had never even heard about: OpenOffice (a MS Office > look-alike, totally compatible with all 'office' file formats), GIMP > (a surprisingly powerful image editor), Mozilla (web browser), drawing > apps, charting apps, networking apps, desktop customisation gadgets, > several games, etc, etc, etc... WOW! I was impressed! > > YellowDog Linux had basically given a new lease of life to my dusty > old iMac! It was, once again, a *great*, fast, little machine! I > immediately thought that it would actually make a GREAT second > development computer for me. I had seen in the Rev website that there > was a 'Linux' version of Revolution, right? > > Hmmmm, no. Wrong. The 'Linux' version of Rev that is available for > download, is only for PC-based Linux (ie, 'Intel' processor machines), > not for PPC (Macs). Apparently, there used to be a Linux PPC version > of Rev (compatible with YellowDog), but it was discontinued a few > versions back. > > LINUX PC vs. LINUX PPC > > Now that I understood just how *easy* installation and use of Linux > was, I understood the reason why Linux is finally taking off, and > being adopted so widely. This OS is powerfull, easy to use, and, most > importantly, it is FREE. And all the basic apps that the average user > will ever need come BUNDLED FOR FREE. Never underestimate the power of > the FREE tag. > > Most of the users I develop for have Windows-based hardware. But I > believe, with little exception, that most of them *really* struggle > with Windows - and all of them, without exception, dislike Microsoft. > The only reason most of them PERSIST with Windows-based systems, is > because they are small companies who have already invested too much > money in their PC hardware, and now find themselves 'locked' into the > Microsoft downward spiral. A *very expensive* spiral, which many > resent bitterly. I can see now why, for these users, Linux is becoming > such an *attractive* proposition - and why, we, as developers, should, > indeed, be paying closer attention to (and supporting) that market. > > The main problem with Linux, however, is that because it is made for a > wide variety of hardware, there are inevitable compatibility and > configuration problems. That is, in the Linux *PC* world. Because the > hardware world of the Macs is *much* more limited, there are *FAR* > less problems with Linux installations on the PPC platform. But don't > take my word for it - have a quick read of this very interesting > article, by someone with a LOT of Linux experience, titled "YellowDog > Linux Better Than RedHad 9": > http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/4862/. > > Also, in my own (however limited) experience, I have found that trying > to assemble a reasonably-priced second-hand Linux system is *far > easier and cheaper* using Macs, than using PC hardware. I mean, you > can get an old iMac like mine from eBay for less than US$200, and that > is a great, complete, FULLY-FUNCTIONAL system - with networking, > sound, video, usb, etc, etc, all in working order, and get YellowDog > installed and running without you even having to know the full specs > of your hardware! That is INCREDIBLE! > > As a small business person, the prospect of being able to have a > fully-featured workstation for that price is REALLY EXCITING! With > $1000, I could setup a room full of decent, developer workstation > iMacs! I don't think I could do that with PCs (again, my experience > there is limited), and I *know* I certainly could not do that with > Macs running OS X! WOW! Having to spend *so much less* money on > hardware THAT IS SURE TO WORK, means that we could expand sooner, and > start hiring staff earlier!!! *hehehehehe* > > MAIN PROBLEM > > The main problem remains, though: our main development application - > Runtime Revolution - has abandoned the Linux PPC platform. A quick > message from Heather confirmed this. However, Heather did give me some > hope: she stated that if there is enough interest from the developer > community, the RunRev team would be willing to consider bringing back > the Linux PPC version of Revolution... > > So, IF YOU WOULD CONSIDER USING A LINUX PPC VERSION OF REV, please > DROP ME A LINE. If there is enough show of interest in this topic, > then I will message the RunRev team, and let them know that we'd > suppor their efforts in that area! > > > > Once again, apologies for the long post! > > Kindest Regards, > > > -- > Igor de Oliveira Couto > ------------------------------ > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net Mon Nov 3 08:39:11 2003 From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas J McGrath III) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 08:39:11 -0500 Subject: More about PNG In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1B2F7218-0E03-11D8-9405-000A95DA60FA@adelphia.net> Ken, All of that is as should be expected. changing the opacity is what is letting the colors fade between what is behind it. I tried a number of effects and imports and they all acted correctly. So what did you want to happen? Try the same image at 100 opacity and import it then set the ink to blend it will or should be close to what it looked like when in PS 50%. If you need a png to be translucent then blend it in REV. If you need it to have an invisible cut out then do it in PS. if you need special inks I think that png might not be the way to go. The real problem I think is that most of the inks seem to work a little different than I remember in SC. What gives? Tom On Monday, November 3, 2003, at 06:02 AM, Ken Norris wrote: > Hi Tom. > >> Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 02:01:56 -0500 >> From: Thomas J McGrath III <3mcgrath at adelphia.net> >> Subject: Re: More about PNG >> >> Ken, >> >> I haven't had time to really dig deep but I would not apply any inks >> to >> the image. I just brought a png file that was made in PS with no >> background(checkerboard) into REV put it over a bunch of text and >> images and perfect translucency. >> >> Is that what you wanted? if not please explain. >> >> If it is, send me the image and I will see. I do have a pretty heavy >> background in image manipulation. > ----------- > Try this in a stack (on a Mac): > > 1) Make a field with med-large black letters. Say 24 pt. Chicago. > > 2) Import a shaded image (not too dark)...anything EXCEPT PNG or GIF. > JPEG > is fine. > > 3) Inspector for the graphic, in inks properties, on the Mac side > (below the > All Platform stuff), turn it into adMin. > > 4) Run it over the text. See? It doesn't change much. You can read the > text > right through it, totally black, but its colors are good (on a white > field). > > 5) Take the same image to PS and make a translucent image out of it (no > background), say 50% opacity (is there another way?), Save for Web, > 24 bit > PNG. > > 6) Import that to the same stack, and try it out. > > See, the colors are washed out from degrading the opacity, and it > greys out > the text under it. > > What say ye? > > TIA, > Ken N. > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > Thomas J McGrath III Advanced Media Group 220 Drake Rd. Bethel Park, PA 15102 3mcgrath at adelphia.net From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net Mon Nov 3 08:53:23 2003 From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas J McGrath III) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 08:53:23 -0500 Subject: More about PNG In-Reply-To: <1B2F7218-0E03-11D8-9405-000A95DA60FA@adelphia.net> Message-ID: <175CF8AC-0E05-11D8-9405-000A95DA60FA@adelphia.net> Sorry, Ken, If you want the PNG file to act like the original JPG files when using the REV inks then we need to have a white background layer in the png file. Open it in PS you have a layer with no background(we deleted it before). if you cut out a box you will see checkerboard. If you want it to work as a png and with inks in Rev then add a new layer under this one with all white in it. save it as png and import into REV and the png will act just like the jpg when using the inks. As far as the blend goes I don't see any real difference using the REV blend plus it is live in REV and scriptable so use REV instead. Hope this helps Tom On Monday, November 3, 2003, at 08:39 AM, Thomas J McGrath III wrote: > Ken, > > All of that is as should be expected. changing the opacity is what is > letting the colors fade between what is behind it. > I tried a number of effects and imports and they all acted correctly. > > So what did you want to happen? Try the same image at 100 opacity and > import it then set the ink to blend it will or should be close to what > it looked like when in PS 50%. > > If you need a png to be translucent then blend it in REV. If you need > it to have an invisible cut out then do it in PS. if you need special > inks I think that png might not be the way to go. > > The real problem I think is that most of the inks seem to work a > little different than I remember in SC. What gives? > > Tom > > > On Monday, November 3, 2003, at 06:02 AM, Ken Norris wrote: > >> Hi Tom. >> >>> Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 02:01:56 -0500 >>> From: Thomas J McGrath III <3mcgrath at adelphia.net> >>> Subject: Re: More about PNG >>> >>> Ken, >>> >>> I haven't had time to really dig deep but I would not apply any inks >>> to >>> the image. I just brought a png file that was made in PS with no >>> background(checkerboard) into REV put it over a bunch of text and >>> images and perfect translucency. >>> >>> Is that what you wanted? if not please explain. >>> >>> If it is, send me the image and I will see. I do have a pretty heavy >>> background in image manipulation. >> ----------- >> Try this in a stack (on a Mac): >> >> 1) Make a field with med-large black letters. Say 24 pt. Chicago. >> >> 2) Import a shaded image (not too dark)...anything EXCEPT PNG or GIF. >> JPEG >> is fine. >> >> 3) Inspector for the graphic, in inks properties, on the Mac side >> (below the >> All Platform stuff), turn it into adMin. >> >> 4) Run it over the text. See? It doesn't change much. You can read >> the text >> right through it, totally black, but its colors are good (on a white >> field). >> >> 5) Take the same image to PS and make a translucent image out of it >> (no >> background), say 50% opacity (is there another way?), Save for Web, >> 24 bit >> PNG. >> >> 6) Import that to the same stack, and try it out. >> >> See, the colors are washed out from degrading the opacity, and it >> greys out >> the text under it. >> >> What say ye? >> >> TIA, >> Ken N. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> >> > > Thomas J McGrath III > Advanced Media Group > > 220 Drake Rd. > Bethel Park, PA 15102 > 3mcgrath at adelphia.net > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > Thomas J McGrath III Advanced Media Group 220 Drake Rd. Bethel Park, PA 15102 3mcgrath at adelphia.net From Doug_Ivers at lord.com Mon Nov 3 09:04:38 2003 From: Doug_Ivers at lord.com (Ivers, Doug E) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 09:04:38 -0500 Subject: undo broken in script editor Message-ID: Multi-level undo would be awesome! D > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Gehlbach [mailto:steve at nexpath.com] > Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 1:41 AM > To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Subject: Re: undo broken in script editor > > > Monte Goulding wrote: > > >>Has the lame (and broken) function of the undo command in the script > >>editor been reported as a bug? > > > > The undo menu just uses the undo command (which you can > about read in the > > docs). It's very limited. Using it twice is the same as > redo. It get's reset > > whenever anything is done via script and seeing as there's > heaps of stuff > > scripted in the script editor field it hardly ever works. > > > > Okay, good point, I read the docs, and it does say it undoes > "typing", > and the Backspace key is typing. I have a habit of highlighting text > and hitting the Backspace key to delete it. The undo does > not work on > this key. However, it does work (sort of) on the Del key, > but adds an > extra return or linefeed. This is true on Windows and Linux. > > But I agree everything else seem to work for one level. > > I still say a 21st century editor (particularly where you are > trapped in > an IDE and can't conveniently use anything else) that does not have > multilevel undo, is lame. > > > -Steve > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From klaus at major-k.de Mon Nov 3 09:05:52 2003 From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 15:05:52 +0100 Subject: Losing the amateur... In-Reply-To: <12BE719D-0DBC-11D8-9405-000A95DA60FA@adelphia.net> References: <12BE719D-0DBC-11D8-9405-000A95DA60FA@adelphia.net> Message-ID: Hi Thomas J McGrath III, > I don't normally get into this kind of stupid arguments but I must be > tired or something. > > Is the Dr. in front of you name stand for Doctor??? If so I can't > believe you are complaining that $75. > is not reasonable for Rev. I bet you don't feel that way about the > work you do, I bet you charge top dollar. > And that for things people can't live without - you have them over a > barrel. If you say you don't I > won't believe it because you choose to display the Dr. before your > name which is all I needed to see. please don't start a class struggle! Besides that i think that the time where Dr. = power & influence = MONEY are gone... BTW, you name does not sound very "underprivileged" ;-) (Hint: this is just a joke!!!) > And like the lady said, you could easily just build a player and be > done with it. So why the complaining? > Why the disappointment? Why the cheapness? You missed the point here... He was complaining about the now missing free player!!! > Jac, There are doers and talkers out there, I can tell you are a doer. > :-) Good for you. Unnecessary side blow, i think... And i don't mean you, Jaqueline :-) > PS I spent my money on the enterprise version and absolutely am not > disappointed! I also bought the enterprise edition, although i am out of work momentarrily, and i am also very disappointed, but for the number of bugs in version 2.1 and 2.11, which makes unnecessary workarounds necessary to get them to work... "Qualtity assurance" I'll leave this term uncommented... > Tom - The Amateur Regards Klaus - The whatsoever Klaus Major klaus at major-k.de www.major-k.de From jtenny at willamette.edu Mon Nov 3 09:09:46 2003 From: jtenny at willamette.edu (John Tenny) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 06:09:46 -0800 Subject: Losing the amateur In-Reply-To: <131.26142066.2cd74d99@aol.com> References: <131.26142066.2cd74d99@aol.com> Message-ID: <6168832F-0E07-11D8-A54F-000A95A4EDD2@willamette.edu> Grandpa that I am, I was around when the first 'revolution' was taking place - Tandy computers, Apples, basic, hypercard, when even mid sized cities only had one or two 'computer' stores to hang around in. There was an atmosphere of belonging to a club of sorts, much like the early Volkswagon owners who all honked and waved at each other. There are two sentiments bouncing around here - one of a personal ownership of the 'revolution', which includes a commitment to contributing to the group, to make the community better as a whole, to in a mini-way save the world. That comes with an expectation that if I, the loyalist, am devoted to the movement, then my partner, the company, is also devoted to me, and has made a like commitment to me. It's a bit of a shock then to find that after being loyal, giving all your good ideas and solutions and bugreports freely to the company, and proudly watching the Revolution mature and grow as one would a child, that an idea turned into a product starts going off in ways you didn't expect. The revolution becomes The Revolution, and those involved are abandoned and disappointed. The other group, fondly referred to here as the profit motive group, sees this all as a software tool whose purpose is to enable one to generate income. Those folks, with a sense of fairness, don't have any problem with paying for the potential to make their own money by using this tool. They also are less forgiving, with the attitude that since I paid what you asked, the product damn will better work. They are less understanding of the loss of the sense of family, of community. While they also contribute to the improvement of the product, it's for a different purpose - to improve the money making tool - a perfectly worthwhile goal. Some of those here have a foot in both camps, as does the company. On the good side, this is a natural stage of progression of any movement where it starts to become institutionalized and is not longer a grass roots, seat of the pants operation. On the bad side, this is where many movements and companies fail, either abandoning their support group too abruptly or not being ready to deliver a fully developed product to the new 'customer base'. The current pricing structure is a clear attempt to bridge this gap, and the only thing missing is an equally clear and consistent message to the core supports who have given their support for free that they are an appreciated and valued entity; that while the company wishes it could continue to give it away in appreciation of their efforts, the new level of complexity of everything makes that impossible; that because the company does recognize the critical role these supporters have played will meet them halfway with a substantial gift of half the price; that while no longer free it's going to get way better really quickly for the benefit of everyone. Peace, John Flowing Thought Educational Solutions ======================================= On Nov 2, 2003, at 10:20 PM, SteelWeaver52 at aol.com wrote: > > A user said: > >> And, I believe, contrary to what most of us supporting and >> promoting MC over the years thought we were supporting and promoting. >> Like Ryno Swart, ``I am just a bit disappointed.'' Forget that: I am >> totally disappointed. > > Frankly, I can't get into this sentiment. I really can't. > > The only thing RunRev can do is make you an offer of a software > product in exchange for pieces of paper with pictures of Presidents > on them (or the Queen, or whatever). This offer essentially increases > the number of options currently available to you. > From malherbg at yahoo.fr Mon Nov 3 10:10:28 2003 From: malherbg at yahoo.fr (Malherbe Gilbert) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 15:10:28 -0000 Subject: Create Network application Message-ID: <003701c16603$c02d16c0$01010a64@Gilbert> Hi, I have to create some multimedia Dictionnary with Revolution for a Scientist company. They asked me to use them on a network system. I had never create network application. What can I do with Revolution? thanks From jtenny at willamette.edu Mon Nov 3 09:17:18 2003 From: jtenny at willamette.edu (John Tenny) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 06:17:18 -0800 Subject: Losing the amateur... In-Reply-To: References: <12BE719D-0DBC-11D8-9405-000A95DA60FA@adelphia.net> Message-ID: <6E8B2CB2-0E08-11D8-A54F-000A95A4EDD2@willamette.edu> > Besides that i think that the time where > > Dr. = power & influence = MONEY > > are gone... Doctor, in it's language root, means teacher. There are lots of Doctors who are not physicans - and not wealthy. From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net Mon Nov 3 09:22:05 2003 From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas J McGrath III) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 09:22:05 -0500 Subject: Losing the amateur... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <199CB36C-0E09-11D8-9405-000A95DA60FA@adelphia.net> Thank you Klaus, I was tired and I guess the old Power & Influence Days are still fresh in my mind. A friend died this year due to not being able to afford to go see a Doctor of his choosing - Oh he did end up with some medical care but it was not the same as he would have got if he had $$$. Enough said though, I knew I should not have responded before just like I knew I should not be typing this either. I should probably apologize to him in case I insulted him. Oh, well. I'm sorry! - No class wars! ALSO, I am a little disappointed about waiting for my manuals but I am not going to be complaining to the list about it !?!?!?!?! That is all I shut up. Tom On Monday, November 3, 2003, at 09:05 AM, Klaus Major wrote: > Hi Thomas J McGrath III, > >> I don't normally get into this kind of stupid arguments but I must be >> tired or something. >> >> Is the Dr. in front of you name stand for Doctor??? If so I can't >> believe you are complaining that $75. >> is not reasonable for Rev. I bet you don't feel that way about the >> work you do, I bet you charge top dollar. >> And that for things people can't live without - you have them over a >> barrel. If you say you don't I >> won't believe it because you choose to display the Dr. before your >> name which is all I needed to see. > > please don't start a class struggle! > > Besides that i think that the time where > > Dr. = power & influence = MONEY > > are gone... > > BTW, you name does not sound very "underprivileged" ;-) > (Hint: this is just a joke!!!) > >> And like the lady said, you could easily just build a player and be >> done with it. So why the complaining? >> Why the disappointment? Why the cheapness? > > You missed the point here... > > He was complaining about the now missing free player!!! > >> Jac, There are doers and talkers out there, I can tell you are a >> doer. :-) Good for you. > > Unnecessary side blow, i think... > > And i don't mean you, Jaqueline :-) > >> PS I spent my money on the enterprise version and absolutely am not >> disappointed! > > I also bought the enterprise edition, although i am out of work > momentarrily, and i am also > very disappointed, but for the number of bugs in version 2.1 and 2.11, > which makes unnecessary > workarounds necessary to get them to work... > > "Qualtity assurance" > > I'll leave this term uncommented... > >> Tom - The Amateur > > Regards > > Klaus - The whatsoever > > > Klaus Major > klaus at major-k.de > www.major-k.de > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > Thomas J McGrath III Advanced Media Group 220 Drake Rd. Bethel Park, PA 15102 3mcgrath at adelphia.net From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net Mon Nov 3 09:33:13 2003 From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas J McGrath III) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 09:33:13 -0500 Subject: Losing the amateur In-Reply-To: <6168832F-0E07-11D8-A54F-000A95A4EDD2@willamette.edu> Message-ID: John, This is the best letter I have ever read in my entire life. I am not kidding. I almost cried and that does not happen that often. I want both!!!! I want a tool that works as expected and also to be apart of a family, I want to use it to make money but also just for fun and hobbies, I want to contribute freely and have others do the same. That is actually the reason I don't like Director. Yes I bought it and paid the $$$$ for it (cross platform) but I would rather use REV. This is because of the mentality of it's users. In the Director community everything costs money. No one shares.(some do) I liked HC,SC,AT,Frontier etc. The people taught me what I know and are still teaching me. I try to give that back. The people are selfless and want to give. I think the two can co-exist. I will do my part. Thanks John, Tom On Monday, November 3, 2003, at 09:09 AM, John Tenny wrote: > Grandpa that I am, I was around when the first 'revolution' was taking > place - Tandy computers, Apples, basic, hypercard, when even mid sized > cities only had one or two 'computer' stores to hang around in. There > was an atmosphere of belonging to a club of sorts, much like the early > Volkswagon owners who all honked and waved at each other. > > There are two sentiments bouncing around here - one of a personal > ownership of the 'revolution', which includes a commitment to > contributing to the group, to make the community better as a whole, to > in a mini-way save the world. That comes with an expectation that if > I, the loyalist, am devoted to the movement, then my partner, the > company, is also devoted to me, and has made a like commitment to me. > It's a bit of a shock then to find that after being loyal, giving all > your good ideas and solutions and bugreports freely to the company, > and proudly watching the Revolution mature and grow as one would a > child, that an idea turned into a product starts going off in ways > you didn't expect. The revolution becomes The Revolution, and those > involved are abandoned and disappointed. > > The other group, fondly referred to here as the profit motive group, > sees this all as a software tool whose purpose is to enable one to > generate income. Those folks, with a sense of fairness, don't have any > problem with paying for the potential to make their own money by using > this tool. They also are less forgiving, with the attitude that since > I paid what you asked, the product damn will better work. They are > less understanding of the loss of the sense of family, of community. > While they also contribute to the improvement of the product, it's for > a different purpose - to improve the money making tool - a perfectly > worthwhile goal. > > Some of those here have a foot in both camps, as does the company. On > the good side, this is a natural stage of progression of any movement > where it starts to become institutionalized and is not longer a grass > roots, seat of the pants operation. On the bad side, this is where > many movements and companies fail, either abandoning their support > group too abruptly or not being ready to deliver a fully developed > product to the new 'customer base'. The current pricing structure is a > clear attempt to bridge this gap, and the only thing missing is an > equally clear and consistent message to the core supports who have > given their support for free that they are an appreciated and valued > entity; that while the company wishes it could continue to give it > away in appreciation of their efforts, the new level of complexity of > everything makes that impossible; that because the company does > recognize the critical role these supporters have played will meet > them halfway with a substantial gift of half the price; that while no > longer free it's going to get way better really quickly for the > benefit of everyone. > > Peace, > > John > > Flowing Thought Educational Solutions > ======================================= > On Nov 2, 2003, at 10:20 PM, SteelWeaver52 at aol.com wrote: > >> >> A user said: >> >>> And, I believe, contrary to what most of us supporting and >>> promoting MC over the years thought we were supporting and promoting. >>> Like Ryno Swart, ``I am just a bit disappointed.'' Forget that: I am >>> totally disappointed. >> >> Frankly, I can't get into this sentiment. I really can't. >> >> The only thing RunRev can do is make you an offer of a software >> product in exchange for pieces of paper with pictures of Presidents >> on them (or the Queen, or whatever). This offer essentially >> increases >> the number of options currently available to you. >> > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > Thomas J McGrath III Advanced Media Group 220 Drake Rd. Bethel Park, PA 15102 3mcgrath at adelphia.net Thomas J McGrath III Advanced Media Group 220 Drake Rd. Bethel Park, PA 15102 3mcgrath at adelphia.net From xbury.cs at clearstream.com Mon Nov 3 09:35:21 2003 From: xbury.cs at clearstream.com (xbury.cs at clearstream.com) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 15:35:21 +0100 Subject: Create Network application Message-ID: Without getting into the details, you can - create a network app using the sockets (search sockets in the docs) - some examples exists also - use a server application where clients connect to (you can use sockets or the URL command here) - make clients that gather info from a database (mysql) or an http server (any choice is good). Hope that gives you a direction to follow... All are broad client/server services that can be used in your scheme. Then again, you should check what they want for a network application... cheers ---------------------=--------------------- Xavier Bury TNS NT LAN Server ext 6465 "Malherbe Gilbert" Sent by: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com 05/11/01 15:11 Please respond to How to use Revolution To: cc: Subject: Create Network application . Hi, I have to create some multimedia Dictionnary with Revolution for a Scientist company. They asked me to use them on a network system. I had never create network application. What can I do with Revolution? thanks _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Visit us at http://www.clearstream.com IMPORTANT MESSAGE Internet communications are not secure and therefore Clearstream International does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message. The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Any views expressed in this e-mail are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of Clearstream International or of any of its affiliates or subsidiaries. END OF DISCLAIMER From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net Mon Nov 3 09:50:02 2003 From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas J McGrath III) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 09:50:02 -0500 Subject: Losing the amateur... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <01790F73-0E0D-11D8-9405-000A95DA60FA@adelphia.net> On Monday, November 3, 2003, at 09:05 AM, Klaus Major wrote: >> Jac, There are doers and talkers out there, I can tell you are a >> doer. :-) Good for you. > > Unnecessary side blow, i think... Wow, Klaus, I meant that as a good thing not a bad thing. You know people with hot air versus people with the gabonzoes to back up the talk with action. That is what I meant. But, again I was tired. I am sorry for firing off at what I was probably misunderstanding anyway. Thanks again, Tom Tell me again pa 'What are we fighting for?' From rcozens at pon.net Mon Nov 3 08:36:54 2003 From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 06:36:54 -0700 Subject: Opening stacks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >Where can I D/L 2.0.2? If it's no longer listed on the Rev download, I haven't a clue, Ken. Ask me off list & I'll burn YOU a CD (as a personal favor...I can't do this everyone who might want it). -- Rob Cozens CCW, Serendipity Software Company http://www.oenolog.net/who.htm "And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three; Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee." from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631) From rcozens at pon.net Mon Nov 3 08:50:39 2003 From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 06:50:39 -0700 Subject: Create Network application In-Reply-To: <003701c16603$c02d16c0$01010a64@Gilbert> References: <003701c16603$c02d16c0$01010a64@Gilbert> Message-ID: >I had never create network application. What fun you are in for: imagine trying to debug two applications simultaneously as they converse over a network. > >What can I do with Revolution? If your platform is Apple, you can use Apple events to facilitate communication between your applications; otherwise, look at Rev's socket commands. If you would like the advice and assistance of other Rev developers going down that road, subscribe to the Rev IPC group: . -- Rob Cozens CCW, Serendipity Software Company http://www.oenolog.net/who.htm "And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three; Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee." from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631) From klaus at major-k.de Mon Nov 3 09:54:49 2003 From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 15:54:49 +0100 Subject: Undocumented QT effects In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Ken, > Howdy, > > I can't find them now, but I wanted to know: > Where are the undocumented QT effects and how can we implement them in > Rev? OK, the dox are a bit sparse about this, but to call it "undocumented"??? From the dox about "answer effect": "An encoded description of the visual effect the user chooses is placed in the it variable. A good idea is to store "it" in a customproperty and use it later... ... answer effect ## a QuickTime dialog will appear, where you can choose a transition.. if it <> empty then set the my_transition_1 of this stack to it end if ... Then you can use it with: ... visual the my_transition_1 of this stack go cd xyz ... or: ... hide img 1 with visual my_transition_1 of this stack ... etc... A bit unhandy, but not too and it works :-) Hope that helps... > TIA, > Ken N. Regards Klaus Major klaus at major-k.de www.major-k.de From keith at vortex.co.uk Mon Nov 3 09:33:05 2003 From: keith at vortex.co.uk (keith) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 14:33:05 +0000 Subject: Losing the amateur... In-Reply-To: <6E8B2CB2-0E08-11D8-A54F-000A95A4EDD2@willamette.edu> References: <12BE719D-0DBC-11D8-9405-000A95DA60FA@adelphia.net> <6E8B2CB2-0E08-11D8-A54F-000A95A4EDD2@willamette.edu> Message-ID: >>Dr. = power & influence = MONEY >Doctor, in it's language root, means teacher. There are lots of >Doctors who are not physicans - and not wealthy. And of course in the UK a great many medical doctors aren't wealthy either. k From kray at sonsothunder.com Mon Nov 3 10:03:36 2003 From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 09:03:36 -0600 Subject: Big White Area Appears on the Screen in Mac OS9 when Printing aField In-Reply-To: <3996AE5EBEF964418D80953BDCABFF5606AB1E5B@ex1.asurite.ad.asu.edu> Message-ID: <006201c3a21b$aba09370$6501a8c0@LightningFlash> Tom, If you can send me a copy off-list, I'll see if I can replicate it here. Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Email: kray at sonsothunder.com Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ > -----Original Message----- > From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com > [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of > Thomas Cole > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 1:01 PM > To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Subject: Big White Area Appears on the Screen in Mac OS9 when > Printing aField > > > My Mac OS9 standalone (created with OSX Revolution) doesn't > print correctly. I use the print command in a button to print > a field -- just the regular revprint field command -- and a > big honkin' white image of the page being printed appears on > the screen and STAYS there blocking out the view of the > desktop and anything else in its way. I really need to get > this fixed. > Thanks very much for helping me. > Tom > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-> revolution > From klaus at major-k.de Mon Nov 3 10:08:04 2003 From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 16:08:04 +0100 Subject: Losing the amateur... In-Reply-To: <01790F73-0E0D-11D8-9405-000A95DA60FA@adelphia.net> References: <01790F73-0E0D-11D8-9405-000A95DA60FA@adelphia.net> Message-ID: <861BDAEA-0E0F-11D8-BFF3-000A27B49A96@major-k.de> Hi Thomas J McGrath III: > > On Monday, November 3, 2003, at 09:05 AM, Klaus Major wrote: >>> Jac, There are doers and talkers out there, I can tell you are a >>> doer. :-) Good for you. >> >> Unnecessary side blow, i think... > > Wow, Klaus, I meant that as a good thing not a bad thing. > You know people with hot air versus people with the gabonzoes to back > up the talk with action. > That is what I meant. > But, again I was tired. I am sorry for firing off at what I was > probably misunderstanding anyway. Yo, see how easy this could happen? In this context it really looked like that... But now i agree :-) > Thanks again, > > Tom > > Tell me again pa 'What are we fighting for?' Free beer, son, just for free beer ;-) Regards Klaus Major klaus at major-k.de www.major-k.de From heather at runrev.com Mon Nov 3 10:11:37 2003 From: heather at runrev.com (Heather Williams) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 15:11:37 +0000 Subject: Losing the amateur In-Reply-To: <20031103143206.42DC3930088@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: > > There are two sentiments bouncing around here - one of a personal > ownership of the 'revolution', > > The other group, fondly referred to here as the profit motive group, > sees this all as a software tool whose purpose is to enable one to > generate income. > Some of those here have a foot in both camps, as does the company. > Hi John, Like others, I thought this was an exceptionally well balanced exposition of the current situation. I just wanted to say a few things myself. First off, this is a great community. No, a Really Great community. You, the users, and especially the users who contributor so freely to this list, are a vital part of the Revolution. I know I'm speaking for everyone in the company when I say we recognise the debt we owe you all. It's a partnership, always has been a partnership, and will continue to be a partnership, even though we're growing so fast that sadly I no longer know all or even most of our users by name... It's inevitable that as Revolution grows, we become less "seat of the pants" and more corporate. However, this has to be a Good Thing. We will have better systems, more staff, faster response times and an end to problems such as the horrendously delayed manual printing (yes, they really are coming, no, they aren't mythical, and yes, I'm very sorry for the incredible delays). Everyone should experience a consistently better level of overall service. Whenever we make big changes, to licensing or support, or interface or whatever, we try very hard to support our existing loyal customer base. We listen to feedback, and though we cannot always give everyone everything they want (especially as this is often contradictory ;)) we pay attention and make the best choices we can in the interests of the most people we can. One thing that is in everyone's interest, is that the Revolution thrives. I'm genuinely happy to say that the future has never looked brighter. We've a great, enthusastic team, a great user base, and a great future. Onward! Heather Taking off customer services manager hat and examining it, then putting it on again. It seems to fit... > Peace, > > John > > Flowing Thought Educational Solutions > ======================================= -- Heather Williams ~ heather at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution - User-Centric Development Tools Tel +44 (0) 131 7184333 Fax +44 (0) 845 4588487 ~~~ Check our web site for new Revolution editions & special offers ~~~ From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net Mon Nov 3 10:42:38 2003 From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas J McGrath III) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 10:42:38 -0500 Subject: Losing the amateur In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5A36737A-0E14-11D8-9405-000A95DA60FA@adelphia.net> Thanks for the response Heather. (and I can't wait for my manuals) p.s. I heard they were just what is in the built-in help file. Is it true? Are there, can there be any 'more' examples put in. I very rarely need or use the ones I see. I usually am looking for something else when I look up a word and as such the examples have not really helped. maybe a don't use example as well. FWIW I have re-awakened with Revolution that part of me that died when SC stopped going cross-platform. I am starting to get creative again. Which I could not seem to find with Director. Let's get on with the Revolution. Tom On Monday, November 3, 2003, at 10:11 AM, Heather Williams wrote: > >> >> There are two sentiments bouncing around here - one of a personal >> ownership of the 'revolution', > > >> >> The other group, fondly referred to here as the profit motive group, >> sees this all as a software tool whose purpose is to enable one to >> generate income. > > > >> Some of those here have a foot in both camps, as does the company. > > >> > > Hi John, > > Like others, I thought this was an exceptionally well balanced > exposition of > the current situation. I just wanted to say a few things myself. > > First off, this is a great community. No, a Really Great community. > You, the > users, and especially the users who contributor so freely to this > list, are > a vital part of the Revolution. I know I'm speaking for everyone in the > company when I say we recognise the debt we owe you all. It's a > partnership, > always has been a partnership, and will continue to be a partnership, > even > though we're growing so fast that sadly I no longer know all or even > most of > our users by name... > > It's inevitable that as Revolution grows, we become less "seat of the > pants" > and more corporate. However, this has to be a Good Thing. > > We will have better systems, more staff, faster response times and an > end to > problems such as the horrendously delayed manual printing (yes, they > really > are coming, no, they aren't mythical, and yes, I'm very sorry for the > incredible delays). Everyone should experience a consistently better > level > of overall service. > > Whenever we make big changes, to licensing or support, or interface or > whatever, we try very hard to support our existing loyal customer > base. We > listen to feedback, and though we cannot always give everyone > everything > they want (especially as this is often contradictory ;)) we pay > attention > and make the best choices we can in the interests of the most people > we can. > > One thing that is in everyone's interest, is that the Revolution > thrives. > I'm genuinely happy to say that the future has never looked brighter. > We've > a great, enthusastic team, a great user base, and a great future. > > Onward! > > Heather > Taking off customer services manager hat and examining it, then > putting it > on again. It seems to fit... > >> Peace, >> >> John >> >> Flowing Thought Educational Solutions >> ======================================= > > -- > Heather Williams ~ heather at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ > Runtime Revolution - User-Centric Development Tools > Tel +44 (0) 131 7184333 Fax +44 (0) 845 4588487 > ~~~ Check our web site for new Revolution editions & special offers ~~~ > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > Thomas J McGrath III Advanced Media Group 220 Drake Rd. Bethel Park, PA 15102 3mcgrath at adelphia.net From plsntbreez at mac.com Mon Nov 3 10:46:55 2003 From: plsntbreez at mac.com (Brian K. Maher) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 10:46:55 -0500 Subject: Losing the amateur In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thank you. I sent another email a little while ago. You can ignore that one. Sincerely, Brian K. Maher -------------------------------------------------------------------- Principal Technical Support Engineer Phone : 781-280-3075 Progress Software Corporation E-Mail: maher at progress.com Remember, failure is an event ... not a person -------------------------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com]On Behalf Of Heather Williams Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 10:12 AM To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Subject: Re: Losing the amateur > > There are two sentiments bouncing around here - one of a personal > ownership of the 'revolution', > > The other group, fondly referred to here as the profit motive group, > sees this all as a software tool whose purpose is to enable one to > generate income. > Some of those here have a foot in both camps, as does the company. > Hi John, Like others, I thought this was an exceptionally well balanced exposition of the current situation. I just wanted to say a few things myself. First off, this is a great community. No, a Really Great community. You, the users, and especially the users who contributor so freely to this list, are a vital part of the Revolution. I know I'm speaking for everyone in the company when I say we recognise the debt we owe you all. It's a partnership, always has been a partnership, and will continue to be a partnership, even though we're growing so fast that sadly I no longer know all or even most of our users by name... It's inevitable that as Revolution grows, we become less "seat of the pants" and more corporate. However, this has to be a Good Thing. We will have better systems, more staff, faster response times and an end to problems such as the horrendously delayed manual printing (yes, they really are coming, no, they aren't mythical, and yes, I'm very sorry for the incredible delays). Everyone should experience a consistently better level of overall service. Whenever we make big changes, to licensing or support, or interface or whatever, we try very hard to support our existing loyal customer base. We listen to feedback, and though we cannot always give everyone everything they want (especially as this is often contradictory ;)) we pay attention and make the best choices we can in the interests of the most people we can. One thing that is in everyone's interest, is that the Revolution thrives. I'm genuinely happy to say that the future has never looked brighter. We've a great, enthusastic team, a great user base, and a great future. Onward! Heather Taking off customer services manager hat and examining it, then putting it on again. It seems to fit... > Peace, > > John > > Flowing Thought Educational Solutions > ======================================= -- Heather Williams ~ heather at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution - User-Centric Development Tools Tel +44 (0) 131 7184333 Fax +44 (0) 845 4588487 ~~~ Check our web site for new Revolution editions & special offers ~~~ _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From psahores at easynet.fr Mon Nov 3 10:44:25 2003 From: psahores at easynet.fr (Pierre Sahores) Date: 03 Nov 2003 16:44:25 +0100 Subject: Losing the amateur... In-Reply-To: References: <12BE719D-0DBC-11D8-9405-000A95DA60FA@adelphia.net> Message-ID: <1067874264.2783.101.camel@www.kmax.ici> Allo Friends, Perhaps are we a little mistaking us about what the computer's software markets are and are'nt......... 1.- Some majors companies (aka Microsoft, IBM, Oracle, Sun,..) are mainly unable to produce really innovative concepts and products, outside of builing global marketing proposals to their customers : "because we are the biggest, we knows what you need... Just listen to us and you will use the most used products over the world...". 2.- Some intemediate companies (aka Apple, SGI, Sybase, Adobe...) whose need to stay, at least, a little innovative (products and/or marketing) if they wants get enought customers to gohead. 3.- Some small start-up's companies whose need to be intensivelly able to stay on top of innovation with 2/3 of technical innovation and 1/3 of marketing and communication innovation (aka Runtime Revolution, PostgreSQL INC, MySQL AG, OpenBase,...) to get enought customers incomes to just stay alive. 4.- Some very productive people whose are able to do, alone, the work what could be done by a 100 enginners team in a company witch belongs to the first and second category, i named before (aka Linus Torwalds, Bill Atkinson, Scott Raney,...). Those people don't really need us, the end-users customers ! They have always two or three possibles choices they can do to gohead, in between working on exiting tasks and making monney. 5.- Lots and lots of "intermediate speakers" who are producing nothing and speaking about anything. Here, in France, they are mainly speaking about Free Software (including Linux), in letting anyone think that innovative software development can be grounded on a non-commercial economical model... As a "7 years old" Linux-hosted Web/Erp's solutions developper and provider, i just want to say that, if Linux can be used as a free OS, as is, as a toy or as a studies task object in hands of curious or studients, the only way to have a secure internet enabled Linux server is to pay for it : pay for a serious distro witch packs together all what the professional need to deploy at once, pay for a real secure firewall/DMZ in front of the server, pay for a professional grade maintainance of a server witch will be running over the web for years,... As a professional, i know that in licensing my Suse, Metacard or Revolution issues, i'm just helping others professionals to gohead in providing me tools, i need to use to be able to gohead in my own work. For the ones that are thinking that the real computers world can be build on free software, just drop MacOS and Windows out of your life, buy a 1000 US $ box, install a Debian Linux, an Emacs editor, a GCC 3.3 compiler, a Lisp or, even, a Smalltalk and gohead as this. For all, if we want RunRev to become the strongest partnership company we need to gohead in developing XTalk's based apps, we just need to pay for what RunRev helps us to take fun (amateurs) and money (professionals) in using Revolution. There are adaptive prices for each use (and, honestly, no reasons to say that there is no a right price for the use i expect to get from my Rev issue : from US $ 75 to about 700, i can find what i need AND i want to pay for it to let RunRev gohead in building the next issues of the product ! Best Regards to All, Le lun 03/11/2003 ? 15:05, Klaus Major a ?crit : > Hi Thomas J McGrath III, > > > I don't normally get into this kind of stupid arguments but I must be > > tired or something. > > > > Is the Dr. in front of you name stand for Doctor??? If so I can't > > believe you are complaining that $75. > > is not reasonable for Rev. I bet you don't feel that way about the > > work you do, I bet you charge top dollar. > > And that for things people can't live without - you have them over a > > barrel. If you say you don't I > > won't believe it because you choose to display the Dr. before your > > name which is all I needed to see. > > please don't start a class struggle! > > Besides that i think that the time where > > Dr. = power & influence = MONEY > > are gone... > > BTW, you name does not sound very "underprivileged" ;-) > (Hint: this is just a joke!!!) > > > And like the lady said, you could easily just build a player and be > > done with it. So why the complaining? > > Why the disappointment? Why the cheapness? > > You missed the point here... > > He was complaining about the now missing free player!!! > > > Jac, There are doers and talkers out there, I can tell you are a doer. > > :-) Good for you. > > Unnecessary side blow, i think... > > And i don't mean you, Jaqueline :-) > > > PS I spent my money on the enterprise version and absolutely am not > > disappointed! > > I also bought the enterprise edition, although i am out of work > momentarrily, and i am also > very disappointed, but for the number of bugs in version 2.1 and 2.11, > which makes unnecessary > workarounds necessary to get them to work... > > "Qualtity assurance" > > I'll leave this term uncommented... > > > Tom - The Amateur > > Regards > > Klaus - The whatsoever > > > Klaus Major > klaus at major-k.de > www.major-k.de > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores 100, rue de Paris F - 77140 Nemours psahores at easynet.fr GSM: +33 6 03 95 77 70 Pro: +33 1 41 60 52 68 Dom: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Fax: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Inspection acad?mique de Seine-Saint-Denis Applications et SGBD ACID SQL (WEB et PGI) Penser et produire "delta de productivit?" From revlist at cableone.net Mon Nov 3 11:15:35 2003 From: revlist at cableone.net (Chris Sheffield) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 09:15:35 -0700 Subject: ask/answer color issue In-Reply-To: <000d01c3a092$3159e470$6b01a8c0@Dell8250> Message-ID: <000801c3a225$ba19d290$64fea8c0@chris1> I don't remember seeing a reply to this, so here goes. What I've had to do in the past to avoid this is to set the colors for each of your cards individually, not for the entire stack. Keep your stack colors empty (or set them to whatever color you want the ask/answer dialogs to be). The ask/answer dialogs will take on whatever colors your STACK uses. Hope that helps. Chris Sheffield Software Development Read Naturally -----Original Message----- From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Doug Smith Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 9:07 AM To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Subject: ask/answer color issue My stack uses a black background and white text. In a standalone the ask/answer dialogues are not legible since the text is apparently black on black. I found questions in the archives but no answers. Yes, I set my own colors for the stack and unchecked "Apply default colors". Is there a solution other than going to custom dialogues. _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From Jacques.Hausser at ie-zea.unil.ch Mon Nov 3 11:39:47 2003 From: Jacques.Hausser at ie-zea.unil.ch (Jacques Hausser) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 17:39:47 +0100 Subject: some "numeric" questions In-Reply-To: <20031103143206.8593293008B@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <565EF7FE-0E1C-11D8-BBF4-0050E4A60F2F@ie-zea.unil.ch> Hello everybody Sorry for asking such naive questions. Does some of you know a trick to easily calculate with dates being far away in the past and the future ? If they are converted into seconds, one is limited to a century, coarsely from 1935 to 2037... I would also like to find a clear explanation about how the "string numbers" are converted internally for computation in Revolution. I read old discussions in the archives, but I'm still in the mist . What is (are) the exact binary format(s) ? And how does Revolution decides which one to use if we do not coerce the number with a ^1 or a round function or sometihing like that ? Last but not least: which RNG is used behind the random function ? Some are said to be good, most are worse, and some are reputedly mere catastrophes... Many thanks in advance Jacques PS: I like this list with its sudden bursts of dramatic tension... it's just a pity I have so few time to read it! **************************************** * new address * **************************************** Prof. J. Hausser Department of Ecology and Evolution Biology Building University of Lausanne CH-1015 Lausanne-Dorigny tel: ++ 41 21 692 41 62 fax: ++ 41 21 692 41 65 From sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de Mon Nov 3 12:52:07 2003 From: sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de (Wilhelm Sanke) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 18:52:07 +0100 Subject: Can cards in a stack be of different sizes Message-ID: <3FA695C7.48BF8C9E@hrz.uni-kassel.de> On Sun, 2 Nov 2003, Alex Rice On Nov 2, 2003, at 3:46 PM, Wilhelm Sanke wrote: > > Sure, they can: > > > > Have a look at the Glossary stack. All cards have different sizes. > > > > In the preopencard handler you may find some hints: > > > (snip) > > I've looked, and I have no idea where you pulled that code from. What > you show above is just "change the size of the stack window as we go > along". So yes, you can fake it but the stack has to be resized by > scripting, right? > > Alex Rice > As I indicated, I pulled the code from the preopencard handler, but this handler is contained in the *stack* script of stack "revdocsglossary". Here is another example of the implementation of a stack with different card sizes: - set the backdrop to black (or any color) - create a black transition card in your stack - store the height of the individual card in a custom property - navigate from one marked card to the other ======================== stack script of the sample stack: on preopenstack set the loc of me to the screenloc set the backdrop to black go to card "black" end preopenstack on openstack visual effect barn door open set the height of this stack to the cdheight of cd 1 go to cd 1 end openstack ========================= forward button of navigation group on each card: on mouseUp put the cdheight of next marked cd into newheight put the ID of the next marked cd into cardID put the top of this stack into savedtop visual effect wipe right slowly to black go to card "black" set the height of this window to newheight set the top of this stack to savedtop visual effect wipe left slowly go to cd ID cardID end mouseUp ====================================== The last script assumes that the top of the stack should remain at the same loc. If you want to center each card then substitute "set the top of this stack to savedtop" by "set the loc of this stack to the screenloc" - or set the loc of the stack to any other central point for the stack. Regards, Wilhelm Sanke From pixelbird at interisland.net Mon Nov 3 12:51:39 2003 From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 09:51:39 -0800 Subject: More about PNG In-Reply-To: <20031103143206.09B41930084@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: Hi Tom and everyone, > Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 08:39:11 -0500 > From: Thomas J McGrath III <3mcgrath at adelphia.net> > Subject: Re: More about PNG > All of that is as should be expected. changing the opacity is what is > letting the colors fade between what is behind it. > I tried a number of effects and imports and they all acted correctly. ----------- Yes, I know, now that I can make translucent PNGs. ----------- > So what did you want to happen? ----------- Well. like I said, I wanted full bright gradient colors with transparency in All Platform mode in this particular project, but translucent in another project. Here's what I discovered: What I wanted was *srcOr* under All Platform inks. When I first tried to replicate my SC project into Rev, I, of course, had to rebuild the color graphics. When I tried srcOr with my design, I had it over the background, and it showed bands in it, i.e., the colors weren't right, which wasn't acceptable. That's what sent me on the quest for a translucent or transparent PNG graphic in All Platform mode. But that turned out not to quite right either. However, while testing again this morning, I see that if *srcOr* is over a *white* background, like a white field, it looks like I wanted it to all along, in this case. So, I find I must apologize for the anxious posts. The white background made all the difference, which I didn't see before. I think it will work out OK now. Thanks again to everyone. Ken N. From pixelbird at interisland.net Mon Nov 3 12:56:31 2003 From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 09:56:31 -0800 Subject: Keynote In-Reply-To: <20031103101438.C66D69300C6@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: Hi Tom, > Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 02:11:21 -0500 > From: Thomas J McGrath III <3mcgrath at adelphia.net> > Subject: Keynote > I will play more with the Hotspots and get back with that info. ---------- I don't understand exactly what you're doing, but I always thought Rev would make a good base for developing a superior multimedia presentation device. Let us know. Thanks, Ken N. From jason at rippetoe.com Mon Nov 3 13:00:40 2003 From: jason at rippetoe.com (Jason Rippetoe) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 01:00:40 +0700 Subject: Revolution Pricing... Message-ID: > $75 for the "Express" version is not prohibitive even for amateurs, > unless they are only looking for free software. Hi All; New to Revolution and it's been years since I worked with HyperCard, but I've learned a lot by lurking here. Unlike many of you, I am not a professional developer and the purchase of Revolution is not something I'll make up through sales of my skills or services. I'm nearing the end of my 30-day evaluation and expect I'll have to pass on some money to the Revolution folks shortly, but my ears perked up at the quoting of the $75 price for the Express version that was mentioned frequently in the (rather fascinating) "Losing the Amateur," thread. Since I'm one of those amateurs that is counting pennies (or in my case, baht) in deciding whether to buy Revolution, I would welcome a $75 option, since the Rev Web site only offers a $149 price for the Express version. Am I missing something? Is there better pricing available for Revolution then that offered direct from the source? Cheers! -Jason From leep at astound.net Mon Nov 3 13:01:33 2003 From: leep at astound.net (Lee Perham) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 10:01:33 -0800 Subject: Panther? In-Reply-To: <20031103061719.248A79300FB@mail.runrev.com> References: <20031103061719.248A79300FB@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: John I had a similar problem last week. Rev works fine with Panther, it just can't find Rev until you tell it where it is. The solution is: " ...select a stack file (any stack is fine) and choose 'Get Info,' then flip the arrow next to 'Open With.' From the popup menu, locate the copy of Revolution you want to use. Then click the Change All button. This will fix it so that all Rev stacks open the application you specified." Regarding your second question about which version you are using, again look at "Get Info" under the File menu, flip the General arrow and it will tell you which version you are using. ~ Lee On Nov 2, 2003, at 10:17 PM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com wrote: > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 20:04:18 -0800 > From: John Tenny > Subject: Panther? > To: How to use Revolution > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > Installed panther a couple days ago and now can't open stack by double > clicking. I get the message: > > "The operation could not be completed. An unexpected error occurred > (error code -10660)" > > Sounds like an Apple issue, right? > > It opens if I drag to the application. > > John From gbojsza at mac.com Mon Nov 3 13:49:42 2003 From: gbojsza at mac.com (Bojsza) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 12:49:42 -0600 Subject: Drag Lines BTW Fields Message-ID: <7C5C007D-0E2E-11D8-80E0-003065F00EF2@mac.com> I am sure that I saw an example stack of being able to select multiple lines in one field and being able to drag'n'drop them into another field? If there is such an example stack can someone please point me to it. thanks, Glen From pixelbird at interisland.net Mon Nov 3 14:16:27 2003 From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 11:16:27 -0800 Subject: Can cards in a stack be of different sizes In-Reply-To: <20031103140847.7973B930132@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: Carsten, > Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 10:17:54 +0100 > From: Carsten Levin > Subject: Re: Can cards in a stack be of different sizes > > Could you include the script lines that caused the compile error? > Carsten ---------- No script lines, just msg box. ---------- >>> set the mainstack of stack "X" to "Y" >> ---------- >> I need to see this work...I tried it and got an compile error. ---------- OK, my mistake...not a complile error, but some kind of stack error. What you should do after completing the save is to check to be sure the new main actually has your old stack as a substack (works OK?), THEN trash that original. Otherwise they have the same name, and Rev apparently wasn't sure which to open (I think that's what caused an error). HTH, Ken N. From pixelbird at interisland.net Mon Nov 3 14:19:12 2003 From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 11:19:12 -0800 Subject: Can cards in a stack be of different sizes In-Reply-To: <20031103061719.248A79300FB@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: P.S. > Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 00:18:21 -0500 > From: Thomas J McGrath III <3mcgrath at adelphia.net> > Subject: Re: Can cards in a stack be of different sizes ---------- I'm convinced having the splash as the main is the "normal" way to go. Ken N. From pixelbird at interisland.net Mon Nov 3 14:24:50 2003 From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 11:24:50 -0800 Subject: Can cards in a stack be of different sizes In-Reply-To: <20031103101438.C66D69300C6@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: Hello Tom, Russ, et al, > Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 00:22:47 -0500 > From: Thomas J McGrath III <3mcgrath at adelphia.net> > Subject: Re: Can cards in a stack be of different sizes > > Russ, > > I believe you can view the UI elements in the application browser and > then find the glossary stack and then view the scripts in it. I have > done this but still did not find what they pasted on the list. ----------- I'm sure they're in the hierarchy somewhere. ----------- > I want to create a glossary feature in a stack and well the pieces seem > to be all over the place in REV and I gave up - for now - instead I > will put in a search field and glossary page. ---------- So howcome you need different card sizes (just curious)? Ken N. From pixelbird at interisland.net Mon Nov 3 14:30:15 2003 From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 11:30:15 -0800 Subject: More about PNG In-Reply-To: <20031103143206.09B41930084@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: > Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 08:53:23 -0500 > From: Thomas J McGrath III <3mcgrath at adelphia.net> > Subject: Re: More about PNG > As > far as the blend goes I don't see any real difference using the REV > blend plus it is live in REV and scriptable so use REV instead. ---------- 'Blend' is not an available property of All Platform inks. Ken N. From pixelbird at interisland.net Mon Nov 3 14:36:25 2003 From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 11:36:25 -0800 Subject: Losing the amateur In-Reply-To: <20031103143206.09B41930084@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: Howdy, > Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 06:09:46 -0800 > From: John Tenny > Subject: Re: Losing the amateur snip > Some of those here have a foot in both camps, as does the company. snip You're a wise man, John Tenny. Thanks for your thoughtful insights. Ken N. From janschenkel at yahoo.com Mon Nov 3 14:37:29 2003 From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 11:37:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: Drag Lines BTW Fields In-Reply-To: <7C5C007D-0E2E-11D8-80E0-003065F00EF2@mac.com> Message-ID: <20031103193729.61058.qmail@web11906.mail.yahoo.com> --- Bojsza wrote: > I am sure that I saw an example stack of being able > to select multiple > lines in one field and being able to drag'n'drop > them into another > field? > > If there is such an example stack can someone please > point me to it. > > thanks, > > Glen > Hi Glen, That might very well have been the sample stack I made (with a convoluted script to boot) ; direct link : Hope this helped, Jan Schenkel. ===== "As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time." (La Rochefoucauld) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From janschenkel at yahoo.com Mon Nov 3 14:39:22 2003 From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 11:39:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: Revolution Pricing... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20031103193922.87057.qmail@web11907.mail.yahoo.com> --- Jason Rippetoe wrote: > > > $75 for the "Express" version is not prohibitive > even for amateurs, > > unless they are only looking for free software. > > Hi All; > > New to Revolution and it's been years since I worked > with HyperCard, > but I've learned a lot by lurking here. Unlike many > of you, I am not a > professional developer and the purchase of > Revolution is not something > I'll make up through sales of my skills or services. > I'm nearing the > end of my 30-day evaluation and expect I'll have to > pass on some money > to the Revolution folks shortly, but my ears perked > up at the quoting > of the $75 price for the Express version that was > mentioned frequently > in the (rather fascinating) "Losing the Amateur," > thread. > > Since I'm one of those amateurs that is counting > pennies (or in my > case, baht) in deciding whether to buy Revolution, I > would welcome a > $75 option, since the Rev Web site only offers a > $149 price for the > Express version. Am I missing something? Is there > better pricing > available for Revolution then that offered direct > from the source? > > Cheers! > > -Jason > Hi Jason, There was an introductory offer for Revolution Express, at $75 ; but it ended August 31st. Hope this cleared things up, Jan Schenkel. ===== "As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time." (La Rochefoucauld) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From pixelbird at interisland.net Mon Nov 3 14:41:00 2003 From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 11:41:00 -0800 Subject: Opening stacks In-Reply-To: <20031103154508.8D8A2930078@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: Hi Rob, > Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 06:36:54 -0700 > From: Rob Cozens > Subject: Re: Opening stacks > >> Where can I D/L 2.0.2? > > If it's no longer listed on the Rev download, I haven't a clue, Ken. > > Ask me off list & I'll burn YOU a CD (as a personal favor...I can't > do this everyone who might want it). --------- I actually got 2.0.3, but the license doesn't work. It should, though,...until 2.1...it did for 2.0.1. Ken N. From jtenny at willamette.edu Mon Nov 3 14:42:25 2003 From: jtenny at willamette.edu (John Tenny) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 11:42:25 -0800 Subject: Panther? In-Reply-To: References: <20031103061719.248A79300FB@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: Lee Thanks for the get info and open with.... tip. Under the Get Info..General... it says version 2.1, but I'm hearing of 2.1.1 to 2.1.3 I just downloaded (took several tries out here on the coast) from the Rev site, and it's the same, with the same creation and modification dates. How can I tell if I've got the latest 'adjustments' version? Peace, John Flowing Thought Educational Solutions 503-508-3398 On Nov 3, 2003, at 10:01 AM, Lee Perham wrote: > Regarding your second question about which version you are using, > again look at "Get Info" under the File menu, flip the General arrow > and it will tell you which version you are using. From jtenny at willamette.edu Mon Nov 3 14:45:21 2003 From: jtenny at willamette.edu (John Tenny) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 11:45:21 -0800 Subject: Panther? In-Reply-To: References: <20031103061719.248A79300FB@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <42460C5A-0E36-11D8-A54F-000A95A4EDD2@willamette.edu> Hmmm... maybe I'm not reading carefully - is it 2.0.3 that was a version, and 2.1.0 is the latest? Peace, John Flowing Thought Educational Solutions 503-508-3398 On Nov 3, 2003, at 11:42 AM, John Tenny wrote: > Lee > Thanks for the get info and open with.... tip. > > Under the Get Info..General... it says version 2.1, but I'm hearing of > 2.1.1 to 2.1.3 > > I just downloaded (took several tries out here on the coast) from the > Rev site, and it's the same, with the same creation and modification > dates. How can I tell if I've got the latest 'adjustments' version? > > Peace, > > John > > Flowing Thought Educational Solutions > 503-508-3398 > On Nov 3, 2003, at 10:01 AM, Lee Perham wrote: > >> Regarding your second question about which version you are using, >> again look at "Get Info" under the File menu, flip the General arrow >> and it will tell you which version you are using. > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From yvescoppe at skynet.be Mon Nov 3 14:46:36 2003 From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (Yves COPPE) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 20:46:36 +0100 Subject: Drag Lines BTW Fields In-Reply-To: <7C5C007D-0E2E-11D8-80E0-003065F00EF2@mac.com> Message-ID: <6F36AFB8-0E36-11D8-9257-000393533246@skynet.be> Le lundi, 3 nov 2003, ? 19:49 Europe/Brussels, Bojsza a ?crit : > I am sure that I saw an example stack of being able to select multiple > lines in one field and being able to drag'n'drop them into another > field? > > If there is such an example stack can someone please point me to it. > > thanks, > > Glen > > jan Schenkel did something therefore. at http://www.geocities.com/janschenkel/ dragdroplist.zip hope this helps. Greetings. Yves COPPE yvescoppe at skynet.be From pixelbird at interisland.net Mon Nov 3 14:50:41 2003 From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 11:50:41 -0800 Subject: e: Undocumented QT effects In-Reply-To: <20031103154508.8D8A2930078@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: Hi Klaus, > Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 15:54:49 +0100 > From: Klaus Major > Subject: Re: Undocumented QT effects > > Hi Ken, > >> Howdy, >> >> I can't find them now, but I wanted to know: >> Where are the undocumented QT effects and how can we implement them in >> Rev? > > OK, the dox are a bit sparse about this, but to call it > "undocumented"??? ----------- Rev turned out to have a better list than I thought. I think there are still some newer effects that aren't mentioned in the list. I'll have to experiment with some complex combos to see what I can get. ....the 'fun' part ;-) Thanks, Ken N. From pixelbird at interisland.net Mon Nov 3 14:59:05 2003 From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 11:59:05 -0800 Subject: Development Guide (was 'Losing the amateur') In-Reply-To: <20031103154508.8D8A2930078@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: Hello Tom, > Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 10:42:38 -0500 > From: Thomas J McGrath III <3mcgrath at adelphia.net> > Subject: Re: Losing the amateur > I usually am looking for something else when I look up a word and as such > the examples have not really helped. maybe a don't use example as well. --------- Check the Tutorials, the Transcript Cookbook, and especially the Development Guide. Tips, recipes, how-to's, etc., etc. Ken N. From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net Mon Nov 3 15:03:41 2003 From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas J McGrath III) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 15:03:41 -0500 Subject: Keynote In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ken, and all, I have worked with Powerpoint since before Powerpoint ever came out. I worked for Genigraphics on a main frame computer system and actually created the first CLUT(first ever) to put into Powerpoint for the new desktop computers that were coming out. (Years ago) I worked with Powerpoint in getting the first slides out and getting the colors right on slides. I shamefully am also responsible for a lot of the early clipart in Powerpoint as well. But they were done on a main frame and ported over to Harvard Graphics and Powerpoint so at the time they were the best in the world. Any way I know every trick in PPT and have been doing presentations for years so I have thousands of Powerpoint presentations in my portfolio. The project I am doing has advanced effects done in PPT that are near impossible to export in tact. I am trying to export them from PPT and then import them into REV with full interactivity and also with better interactive controls found in REV. I first have to import into Keynote from PPT and then save interactive movie from within Keynote and then import that into REV in order to get it to work EASILY. I don't want to have to recreate each slide or parts of each slide if I can help it. I can created a 150 slide presentation in just a couple of hours and so it would be nice to start there for future projects too. Although if I created similar features in REV then I could just start there. The real thing in doing it in REV is bulleted fields, master slides, and SIMPLE text manipulations (read earlier posts) So in the end I get good movie results as interactive(click to go next slide in movie) but poor results for Hyperlinks and clipped images and secondary bullet fields (Keynote only has one bullet field). So for those I export as png files (Screenshots) and import them into REV and add clear buttons as interactive buttons. But to put clear buttons over a movie will not work easily (I could do QT time counts etc.) so I am going to look into the hotspot features in QT which I believe work in 2D movies as interactive hotspots in a movie. Then the links would be 'in' QT and communicate to REV for further interactivity. I will post some examples when I am done for the different ways to deal with Powerpoint and Keynote in Rev. Thanks to your help and others, Tom On Monday, November 3, 2003, at 12:56 PM, Ken Norris wrote: > Hi Tom, > >> Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 02:11:21 -0500 >> From: Thomas J McGrath III <3mcgrath at adelphia.net> >> Subject: Keynote > >> I will play more with the Hotspots and get back with that info. > ---------- > I don't understand exactly what you're doing, but I always thought Rev > would > make a good base for developing a superior multimedia presentation > device. > > Let us know. Thanks, > Ken N. > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > Thomas J McGrath III Advanced Media Group 220 Drake Rd. Bethel Park, PA 15102 3mcgrath at adelphia.net From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net Mon Nov 3 15:07:33 2003 From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas J McGrath III) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 15:07:33 -0500 Subject: Can cards in a stack be of different sizes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5CC88B24-0E39-11D8-9405-000A95DA60FA@adelphia.net> Ken , it was Russ that needed them. I am not sure why. I just wanted the color bkg of text and then search look up part for my stack. Tom On Monday, November 3, 2003, at 02:24 PM, Ken Norris wrote: > Hello Tom, Russ, et al, > >> Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 00:22:47 -0500 >> From: Thomas J McGrath III <3mcgrath at adelphia.net> >> Subject: Re: Can cards in a stack be of different sizes >> >> Russ, >> >> I believe you can view the UI elements in the application browser and >> then find the glossary stack and then view the scripts in it. I have >> done this but still did not find what they pasted on the list. > ----------- > I'm sure they're in the hierarchy somewhere. > ----------- >> I want to create a glossary feature in a stack and well the pieces >> seem >> to be all over the place in REV and I gave up - for now - instead I >> will put in a search field and glossary page. > ---------- > So howcome you need different card sizes (just curious)? > > Ken N. > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > Thomas J McGrath III Advanced Media Group 220 Drake Rd. Bethel Park, PA 15102 3mcgrath at adelphia.net From paul at starytech.com Mon Nov 3 16:16:37 2003 From: paul at starytech.com (Paul Stary) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 13:16:37 -0800 Subject: Making Windows application icons on Mac Message-ID: I have carefully created a 32 x 32 pixel graphic with 16 colors, made sure file length was 744 bytes by inspecting with Resorcerer, deleting all Mac resource fork items, saved as .ico file with Graphic Converter. Build still fails with error dialog suggesting the file is NOT a proper 744 byte Windows icon file. Has anyone done this successfully using Mac? Thanks, Paul Stary From alex at mindlube.com Mon Nov 3 16:20:19 2003 From: alex at mindlube.com (Alex Rice) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 14:20:19 -0700 Subject: Making Windows application icons on Mac In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <86DE0372-0E43-11D8-B629-000393C4760A@mindlube.com> On Nov 3, 2003, at 2:16 PM, Paul Stary wrote: > I have carefully created a 32 x 32 pixel graphic with 16 colors, made > sure file length was 744 bytes by inspecting with Resorcerer, deleting > all Mac resource fork items, saved as .ico file with Graphic > Converter. > > Build still fails with error dialog suggesting the file is NOT a > proper 744 byte Windows icon file. > > Has anyone done this successfully using Mac? It's a mystery to me too- I also tried to do it with Graphic Converter on Mac. I ended up using the Windows shareware product QTam BMPToICO (sp?) Alex Rice | Mindlube Software | what a waste of thumbs that are opposable to make machines that are disposable -Ani DiFranco From mike at cyber-ny.com Mon Nov 3 16:32:59 2003 From: mike at cyber-ny.com (Mike Brown) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 16:32:59 -0500 Subject: Making Windows application icons on Mac In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Paul, I have always had the same issue when trying to add a Windows icon from my Mac OS version of Revolution. I have tried a number of different methods including Graphics Converter and Qtam always come up against the same 744 byte error. This seems to be one of the more awkward issues within Revolution that is not clearly explained. I wish I had an answer for you... If you find a way, let me know! - Mike Mike Brown Cyber-NY Interactive From paul at starytech.com Mon Nov 3 16:35:47 2003 From: paul at starytech.com (Paul Stary) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 13:35:47 -0800 Subject: Making Windows application icons on Mac In-Reply-To: <86DE0372-0E43-11D8-B629-000393C4760A@mindlube.com> References: <86DE0372-0E43-11D8-B629-000393C4760A@mindlube.com> Message-ID: Thanks, Alex, I was able to download BMPtoICO here and it worked like a charm! Paul Stary >On Nov 3, 2003, at 2:16 PM, Paul Stary wrote: > >>I have carefully created a 32 x 32 pixel graphic with 16 colors, >>made sure file length was 744 bytes by inspecting with Resorcerer, >>deleting all Mac resource fork items, saved as .ico file with >>Graphic Converter. >> >>Build still fails with error dialog suggesting the file is NOT a >>proper 744 byte Windows icon file. >> >>Has anyone done this successfully using Mac? > >It's a mystery to me too- I also tried to do it with Graphic >Converter on Mac. I ended up using the Windows shareware product >QTam BMPToICO (sp?) > > >Alex Rice | Mindlube Software | > >what a waste of thumbs that are opposable >to make machines that are disposable -Ani DiFranco > >_______________________________________________ >use-revolution mailing list >use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Paul Stary Audio-Video Engineering Voice Mail: (949) 646-8877 Fax: (949) 515-3640 From rgmiller at pacbell.net Mon Nov 3 16:44:35 2003 From: rgmiller at pacbell.net (Ray G. Miller) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 13:44:35 -0800 Subject: Can cards in a stack be of different sizes References: <20031103000228.1FB889300A7@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <3FA6CC43.8040701@pacbell.net> From: Wilhelm Sanke > Subject: Re: Can cards in a stack be of different sizes >>On Nov 2, 2003, at 11:47 AM, Russell wrote: >> >> >>>Hello people >>> >>>Can cards in a stack be of different sizes >> >>Nope >> >>(snip) >> >>Alex Rice >> > > Sure, they can: > > Have a look at the Glossary stack. All cards have different sizes. (Gosh, Captain Marvel, are they allowed to do that?) > > In the preopencard handler you may find some hints: > > " -- set the height of the card to the total needed height > > put the top of this stack into savedTop > set the height of this window to the formattedHeight of this card > set the height of graphic "Border" to the formattedHeight of this card > > set the top of graphic "Border" to zero > set the top of this stack to savedTop" > Yep, you can resize each card, but it'll drive the user nuts. Test it yourself; build a stack with twenty cards with stuff on each. Test the above script for two days straight and see if YOU survive... ;-0 Ray G. Miller __________________ Turtlelips Productions 4009 Everett Ave. Oakland, CA 94602 MailTo:rgmiller at pacbell.net (V) 510.530.1971 (F) 510.482.3491 From scott at tactilemedia.com Mon Nov 3 17:02:12 2003 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 14:02:12 -0800 Subject: More about PNG In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Recently, "Ken Norris" wrote: >> far as the blend goes I don't see any real difference using the REV >> blend plus it is live in REV and scriptable so use REV instead. > ---------- > 'Blend' is not an available property of All Platform inks. You could try 'srcAnd' to mimic the Mac 'blend' effect on Windows. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design ----- E: scott at tactilemedia.com W: http://www.tactilemedia.com From rxfeldman at comcast.net Mon Nov 3 17:39:12 2003 From: rxfeldman at comcast.net (Russell) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 17:39:12 -0500 Subject: Can cards in a stack be of different sizes Message-ID: <002401c3a25b$4e565430$6501a8c0@S0031724895> If im writing an application different procedures will have different size windows for instance under the "File" menu select the print a window will appear contsining the design for the print command. From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net Mon Nov 3 17:53:38 2003 From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas J McGrath III) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 17:53:38 -0500 Subject: Can cards in a stack be of different sizes In-Reply-To: <002401c3a25b$4e565430$6501a8c0@S0031724895> Message-ID: <90552532-0E50-11D8-9405-000A95DA60FA@adelphia.net> I would use a separate substack for that. As far as I know that is the best way to do something like this. Tom On Monday, November 3, 2003, at 05:39 PM, Russell wrote: > If im writing an application different procedures will have different > size windows > for instance under the "File" menu select the print a window will > appear contsining the design for the print command. > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > Thomas J McGrath III Advanced Media Group 220 Drake Rd. Bethel Park, PA 15102 3mcgrath at adelphia.net From alex at mindlube.com Mon Nov 3 18:00:06 2003 From: alex at mindlube.com (Alex Rice) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 16:00:06 -0700 Subject: DBuilder- sets "bottom" to 0,0,0? Message-ID: <771600F0-0E51-11D8-B629-000393C4760A@mindlube.com> This is one is weird. Can someone confirm if you are seeing this? Sometimes the distribution builder will set the the bottomColor of the mainstack to black. It does this when the bottomColor is clear/empty according to the mainstack's property inspector. The result is the standalone (apparently) has a bottomColor of black, giving the appearance that controls have black edges in some places. It does not happen to the substacks. I can work around it by setting the bottomColor to grey But if the DBuilder is doing the wrong thing, then I want to bugzilla it. It's just as likely I could be going crazy. :-0 Alex Rice | Mindlube Software | what a waste of thumbs that are opposable to make machines that are disposable -Ani DiFranco From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu Mon Nov 3 18:10:28 2003 From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 15:10:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: Losing the amateur. In-Reply-To: <3FA5DDBE.2010809@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: This doesn't violate the license agreement? (Okay, obviously, I didn't read it...). Judy On Sun, 2 Nov 2003, J. Landman Gay wrote: > On 11/2/03 10:25 PM, Dr.John R.Vokey wrote: > > > Ken, > > I think you (and many others) have missed the point. Before RR, I (or > > you, or anyone else) could, and did, routinely provide stacks and the > > url for metacard so that the users of these stacks could, indeed, use > > them. No standalones. No need for them to purchase the engine (however > > ``reasonable''---give me a break--US$75 for the minimum?)--and no need > > to download a net-tested, 30-day ``demo''. > > > > I have used, paid for, and promoted metacard for years (ask Scott Raney, > > if he agrees, to provide his records), and served as a beta-tester for > > RR; this RR attitude is *not* consistent with what Scott Raney and the > > MC team used to support. *If* a free---no network checked, 30-day > > ``demo''---of MC (i.e., an ``engine to run the stacks) were still (and > > always) freely available, I would be less concerned, but don't you (or > > Gay, or ...) defend the current model as ``reasonable'' as if that were > > the issue. It is fundamentally different. And, I believe, contrary to > > what most of us supporting and promoting MC over the years thought we > > were supporting and promoting. Like Ryno Swart, ``I am just a bit > > disappointed.'' Forget that: I am totally disappointed. > > Um. There is nothing preventing anyone from creating a one-card > standalone and making it available for free as a player. > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From JonathanC at ag.nsw.gov.au Mon Nov 3 18:07:53 2003 From: JonathanC at ag.nsw.gov.au (JonathanC at ag.nsw.gov.au) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 10:07:53 +1100 Subject: Pointer tool not working In-Reply-To: <20031031192731.8A45793007E@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: (Please forgive my "newbie-ness".) I wrote on 30/10/2003: > I recently created a stack ("Launcher.rev") to act like HyperCard's Home > stack. It works OK, but just then, when I went to edit a button, I > discovered that the pointer tool wasn't working. When I choose the pointer > tool (either from the palette or the Tools menu) and click on the button, > instead of selecting it, it CLICKS it (as though the browse tool is > active). > > This only happens with this one stack (so far). I can still select objects > by choosing "Card [or Stack] Inspector" from the Object menu and then > finding the object I want from the Selection pop-up menu, or by using the > Application Browser, but why can't I select them directly? Then Sarah wrote: > What mode is the stack set to? It sounds as if it is either modeless or > palette, in which case you can't edit it. This is useful for a Launcher > stack as it means it is usable even when you are in edit mode, but you > will have to do something different to edit the Launcher itself. > > Try right-clicking to bring up the contextual menu and setting the mode > to top level so you can edit, then set it back. Alternatively, do all > your editing via the Application Browser and then save from there. Thanks. Yes, it WAS set to "modeless" but I really don't know how that happened. I placed the stack in the "plugins" folder so that any handlers I placed in the stack script would be available all the time (like HyperCard's Home stack). Does this automatically make it a modeless stack? What exactly is the difference between "Toplevel" and "Modeless" anyway? Rev's documentation is not clear enough (for me :-) ). Three other things I don't understand are: 1. Why, when I close "Launcher.rev" and then open it again, does it change from Modeless to TopLevel by itself? 2. Why does "Launcher.rev" open automatically when I launch "Revolution"? (I may have set this behaviour myself - after all it mimics HyperCard's Home, which is what I want - but I have no idea how, if I did.) 3. Revolution's documentation says there's a Home stack, but where is it? So many questions! TIA, Jonathan Cooper Manager of Information / Website Art Gallery of New South Wales Sydney, Australia http://www.artgallery.nsw.gov.au This e-mail message is intended only for the addressee(s) and contains information which may be confidential. If you are not the intended recipient please advise the sender by return email, do not use or disclose the contents, and delete the message and any attachments from your system. Unless specifically indicated, this email does not constitute formal advice or commitment by the sender or the Art Gallery of NSW (ABN 24 934 492 575) or its related entities. From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu Mon Nov 3 18:13:21 2003 From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 15:13:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: More about PNG In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ken, Has Jan weighed in on this one? I seem to recall she also had some similar issue, but with transparencies in PNG in Rev when creating them in GraphicConverter (Jan, or whoever if I'm wrong [sorry!], please correct me here). I followed her recipe and I too had problems. Judy On Sun, 2 Nov 2003, Ken Norris wrote: > Howdy, > > I had a copy of PS on my old PB1400 that makes the right type of PNGs. I > linked it to my G4, so I was able to produce some proper PNG translucent > files that sort of work, but... > > I was hoping for some control in Rev, but no go. In the Mac ink commands, I > can make an *adMin* transparency that clearly shows through what's behind > it, i.e., black text still shows up black, even with full-bright colors in > the gradient graphic. This is what I need. > > But, the PNG won't do that, i.e., at 50% the text under it is washed out, > even while its own colors are washed out as well. I can't seem to have > transparency and full color in All Platform mode. > > Is there another type of graphic image type or ink that will give what I > need? Any advice on this dilemna? > > Ken N. > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From lists at mangomultimedia.com Mon Nov 3 18:42:24 2003 From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 16:42:24 -0700 Subject: DBuilder- sets "bottom" to 0,0,0? In-Reply-To: <771600F0-0E51-11D8-B629-000393C4760A@mindlube.com> References: <771600F0-0E51-11D8-B629-000393C4760A@mindlube.com> Message-ID: <604A4268-0E57-11D8-8BBD-00039384A130@mangomultimedia.com> On Nov 3, 2003, at 4:00 PM, Alex Rice wrote: > This is one is weird. Can someone confirm if you are seeing this? > Sometimes the distribution builder will set the the bottomColor of the > mainstack to black. It does this when the bottomColor is clear/empty > according to the mainstack's property inspector. > > The result is the standalone (apparently) has a bottomColor of black, > giving the appearance that controls have black edges in some places. > It does not happen to the substacks. > > I can work around it by setting the bottomColor to grey But if the > DBuilder is doing the wrong thing, then I want to bugzilla it. It's > just as likely I could be going crazy. :-0 Does the black outline appear around things like scrollbars? If so then I have seen this. It seems if I do a build on Mac OS X for windows that this happens. -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Multimedia trevor at mangomultimedia.com From rrjlee at email.com Mon Nov 3 18:43:51 2003 From: rrjlee at email.com (Roger Lee) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 23:43:51 +0000 Subject: Unix Rev downloadable not available? Message-ID: Hi, I tried to dwnload the Unix distribution off the Download 2.1 webpage, but it seems it doesn't exist. When I click the link for when the download hasn't already started, i.e. for unix.tgz, I get response saying that the page does not exist. Is this a known problem? When will I be able to get this package for use with the FreeBSD and AIX engines? -- Roger Lee rrjlee at email.com From rodneytamblyn at paradise.net.nz Mon Nov 3 18:50:02 2003 From: rodneytamblyn at paradise.net.nz (Rodney Tamblyn) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 12:50:02 +1300 Subject: ideas wanted for secure display of media resources Message-ID: <7153D8EB-0E58-11D8-A00B-003065F97100@paradise.net.nz> I have a project which requires display of a significant number of media resources. These comprise QuickTime movies and image files, the latter mostly high resolution jpg files in the 500 to 1.5Mb file size range. The project needs to be distributed on CD/DVD-ROM. My issue is that I need to be able to keep the resources reasonably secure. I'm planning to store the resources in encrypted Valentina database(s) on the CD-ROMs. The problem comes when I retrieve the data for display. Here's some ideas I've had so far: (1) read media resources from Valentina DB and write out to temporary files. This will work fine, however there's nothing to stop the user from copying the files out of the temporary file store. To get around this I can delete files as soon as they are not being used. For images, an interesting option is to write the image file out to disk, display it (set the filename of image x to ) then delete the file. Revolution will continue to display the image as it is loaded into memory. However this approach obviously wouldn't work for movies. (2) create a small http server application that retrieves the media from the database. Serve media to display application which displays within a movie object by setting filepath to a URL. QuickTime would download the media data from the server and store it in secure cache. I tried (as a test) creating a stack that served a movie via http (say 127.0.0.1/test.mov) , then created a movie in the same stack and set its URL to 127.0.0.1 Unfortunately this crashed Metacard - it seems you can't write data to a socket and that is being retrieved via a player in the same stack. It would be necessary to run the http server as a separate process. By utilizing information hidden in header packets it would be possible to ensure that the server only accepted requests from the client application. However this would not stop a truely determined hacker from using packet capture to retrieve the data (eg ethereal). While this approach should work, but it's a cludge and is flawed from a security viewpoint. Would require using Player objects for all media types (?) as I am not sure whether an image object would use the QuickTime cache to store URL-loaded files (I think it uses libURL to download them to a temporary file). (3) encrypt movies using Sorenson Pro, with a media key. Revolution does not support management of QuickTime Media Key so I would have to write an external to do this. Would require recompressing movies, which is not very practical in my situation. (4) read images into stack file. Retrieve stack from database to variable and open it (stack file not written to disk). Transfer image for display (put image 1 of stack x into image y of stack z), then close stack and empty the stack variable. Of course you could just set the imageData directly from the database, but imageData is uncompressed, this way you can store the image in binary format. The approach is a bit of a cludge, and memory inefficient, and wouldn't help with managing QuickTime movies which would typically be too large for this approach to work. (5) write an external to display images and QuickTime movies. Disadvantages: cost and risk to project. I'd probably rather bite the bullet and do it in another authoring tool like Director. I'm sure that I am making this too complex. My gut instinct is that writing the files to temp files and managing this carefully would make it sufficiently difficult to retrieve them to dissuade most users from trying. However I can't pretend to the client that this is secure. One solution to this problem would be to support writing to movie and picture controls. If you think this would be a good way to go, please vote for these feature suggestions. For more information see: http://www.runrev.com/revolution/developers/bugdatabase/ show_bug.cgi?id=860 http://www.runrev.com/revolution/developers/bugdatabase/ show_bug.cgi?id=861 If anyone knows a good secure way of managing and displaying media assets within Revolution please let me know. -- Rodney Tamblyn 44 Melville Street Dunedin New Zealand +64 3 4778606 http://rodney.weblogs.com/ From monte at sweattechnologies.com Mon Nov 3 18:48:59 2003 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 10:18:59 +1030 Subject: DBuilder- sets "bottom" to 0,0,0? In-Reply-To: <604A4268-0E57-11D8-8BBD-00039384A130@mangomultimedia.com> Message-ID: > On Nov 3, 2003, at 4:00 PM, Alex Rice wrote: > > > This is one is weird. Can someone confirm if you are seeing this? > > Sometimes the distribution builder will set the the bottomColor of the > > mainstack to black. It does this when the bottomColor is clear/empty > > according to the mainstack's property inspector. > > > > The result is the standalone (apparently) has a bottomColor of black, > > giving the appearance that controls have black edges in some places. > > It does not happen to the substacks. > > > > I can work around it by setting the bottomColor to grey But if the > > DBuilder is doing the wrong thing, then I want to bugzilla it. It's > > just as likely I could be going crazy. :-0 > > Does the black outline appear around things like scrollbars? If so > then I have seen this. It seems if I do a build on Mac OS X for > windows that this happens. > Yep, it's something to do with the default colors picked up from the system. The bottom and shadow colors seem to end up black. What you need to do is set these in your standalone stack and leave all other colors empty and things should look fine. It seems the default is 172,172,172 for both. Cheers Monte From alex at mindlube.com Mon Nov 3 18:55:20 2003 From: alex at mindlube.com (Alex Rice) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 16:55:20 -0700 Subject: DBuilder- sets "bottomColor" to 0,0,0? In-Reply-To: <604A4268-0E57-11D8-8BBD-00039384A130@mangomultimedia.com> References: <771600F0-0E51-11D8-B629-000393C4760A@mindlube.com> <604A4268-0E57-11D8-8BBD-00039384A130@mangomultimedia.com> Message-ID: <2ECF39B4-0E59-11D8-B629-000393C4760A@mindlube.com> On Nov 3, 2003, at 4:42 PM, Trevor DeVore wrote: > Does the black outline appear around things like scrollbars? Yep, the background of the scrollbar appears all black. For buttons and fields it's not a full outline it's more like a black drop shadow. Is that what you are seeing? If you set the bottomColor to a lighter color, then build again, does it look more normal? > If so then I have seen this. It seems if I do a build on Mac OS X > for windows that this happens. I'm seeing it building on OS X, for both OS X and Windows targets. The worst part is that it's inconsistent for each look and feel. For a single standalone app , selecting look and feel at launch time, I see: Mac Appearance Mgr: fields, buttons and scrollbars looks OK Mac OS : black drop shadows on fields and buttons, black background of scrollbar Windows: black drop shadows on fields and buttons, normal scrollbar Alex Rice | Mindlube Software | what a waste of thumbs that are opposable to make machines that are disposable -Ani DiFranco From leep at astound.net Mon Nov 3 18:57:08 2003 From: leep at astound.net (Lee Perham) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 15:57:08 -0800 Subject: Panther? In-Reply-To: <20031103213227.93E979300DD@mail.runrev.com> References: <20031103213227.93E979300DD@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <6EEBA8A4-0E59-11D8-B7E1-0050E4C5F479@Astound.net> John If you are using Rev 2.1 you have the latest version. The only other version I am aware of is 2.1.1 which is the latest beta version. Go to the Rev website home page if you want the 2.1.1 beta version. ~ Lee On Nov 3, 2003, at 1:32 PM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com wrote: > Lee > Thanks for the get info and open with.... tip. > > Under the Get Info..General... it says version 2.1, but I'm hearing of > 2.1.1 to 2.1.3 > > I just downloaded (took several tries out here on the coast) from the > Rev site, and it's the same, with the same creation and modification > dates. How can I tell if I've got the latest 'adjustments' version? > > Peace, > > John From monte at sweattechnologies.com Mon Nov 3 19:04:18 2003 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 10:34:18 +1030 Subject: ideas wanted for secure display of media resources In-Reply-To: <7153D8EB-0E58-11D8-A00B-003065F97100@paradise.net.nz> Message-ID: Hi Rodney > (1) read media resources from Valentina DB and write out to temporary > files. This will work fine, however there's nothing to stop the user > from copying the files out of the temporary file store. To get around > this I can delete files as soon as they are not being used. I think this is the answer. To avoid people copying the files out of the temp folder you could easily delete the file on suspend and fetch it again on resume. As soon as they try and get the file it will be gone ;-) Cheers Monte From alex at mindlube.com Mon Nov 3 19:08:10 2003 From: alex at mindlube.com (Alex Rice) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 17:08:10 -0700 Subject: DBuilder- sets "bottom" to 0,0,0? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Nov 3, 2003, at 4:48 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > Yep, it's something to do with the default colors picked up from the > system. > The bottom and shadow colors seem to end up black. What you need to do > is > set these in your standalone stack and leave all other colors empty and > things should look fine. It seems the default is 172,172,172 for both. Is that color for Windows? Using the Mac OS X color picker, there is a palette for Developers (maybe installed by the Dev TOols CD?). On that palette: controlShadowColor = 147,147,147 There are several other "*shadow*" colors in that palette, and some of them are 0,0,0. I wonder if that's where Rev is getting it's 0,0,0 color at runtime? Alex Rice | Mindlube Software | what a waste of thumbs that are opposable to make machines that are disposable -Ani DiFranco From lists at mangomultimedia.com Mon Nov 3 19:16:11 2003 From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 17:16:11 -0700 Subject: DBuilder- sets "bottomColor" to 0,0,0? In-Reply-To: <2ECF39B4-0E59-11D8-B629-000393C4760A@mindlube.com> References: <771600F0-0E51-11D8-B629-000393C4760A@mindlube.com> <604A4268-0E57-11D8-8BBD-00039384A130@mangomultimedia.com> <2ECF39B4-0E59-11D8-B629-000393C4760A@mindlube.com> Message-ID: <1826CEA6-0E5C-11D8-8BBD-00039384A130@mangomultimedia.com> On Nov 3, 2003, at 4:55 PM, Alex Rice wrote: > > On Nov 3, 2003, at 4:42 PM, Trevor DeVore wrote: > >> Does the black outline appear around things like scrollbars? > > Yep, the background of the scrollbar appears all black. For buttons > and fields it's not a full outline it's more like a black drop shadow. > > Is that what you are seeing? If you set the bottomColor to a lighter > color, then build again, does it look more normal? This is what I am seeing as well. -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Multimedia trevor at mangomultimedia.com From scott at tactilemedia.com Mon Nov 3 19:45:23 2003 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 16:45:23 -0800 Subject: ideas wanted for secure display of media resources In-Reply-To: <7153D8EB-0E58-11D8-A00B-003065F97100@paradise.net.nz> Message-ID: > If anyone knows a good secure way of managing and displaying media > assets within Revolution please let me know. Who do you want to prevent from accessing the media? Any end user, or only unlicensed users? If you only want to thwart unlicensed users, storing the media in some kind of password protected file (database, stack, etc) is probably a good way to go. Otherwise, you should keep in mind that once something is displayed on screen, it can be copied via screen capture tools. Utilities exist to capture the screen over time (ie movies/animation), as well as static images. Even DVD copy protection can be circumvented, so you'll be hard pressed to find a completely secure method of asset delivery. Obscuring the asset location/s and filenames are probably reasonable options for you, barring the more costly custom/external options. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design ----- E: scott at tactilemedia.com W: http://www.tactilemedia.com From rodneytamblyn at paradise.net.nz Mon Nov 3 19:49:07 2003 From: rodneytamblyn at paradise.net.nz (Rodney Tamblyn) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 13:49:07 +1300 Subject: ideas wanted for secure display of media resources In-Reply-To: <7153D8EB-0E58-11D8-A00B-003065F97100@paradise.net.nz> Message-ID: On Tuesday, November 4, 2003, at 12:50 PM, Rodney Tamblyn wrote: > These comprise QuickTime movies and image files, the latter mostly > high resolution jpg files in the 500 to 1.5Mb file size range. ... 500k to 1.5Mb R. From pgilmartin at ermventures.net Mon Nov 3 19:50:59 2003 From: pgilmartin at ermventures.net (Patrick Gilmartin) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 16:50:59 -0800 Subject: ideas wanted for secure display of media resources References: Message-ID: <003101c3a26d$b745b640$0101a8c0@PJG> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Rossi" To: "How to use Revolution" Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 4:45 PM Subject: Re: ideas wanted for secure display of media resources > > If anyone knows a good secure way of managing and displaying media > > assets within Revolution please let me know. > > Who do you want to prevent from accessing the media? Any end user, or only > unlicensed users? If you only want to thwart unlicensed users, storing the > media in some kind of password protected file (database, stack, etc) is > probably a good way to go. > > Otherwise, you should keep in mind that once something is displayed on > screen, it can be copied via screen capture tools. Utilities exist to > capture the screen over time (ie movies/animation), as well as static > images. Even DVD copy protection can be circumvented, so you'll be hard > pressed to find a completely secure method of asset delivery. Obscuring the > asset location/s and filenames are probably reasonable options for you, > barring the more costly custom/external options. > > Regards, > > Scott Rossi > Creative Director > Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design > ----- > E: scott at tactilemedia.com > W: http://www.tactilemedia.com > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From igor at pixelmedia.com.au Mon Nov 3 20:16:19 2003 From: igor at pixelmedia.com.au (Igor Couto) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 12:16:19 +1100 Subject: Decimal Separator Message-ID: <7EFF6A52-0E64-11D8-834F-000393AD9396@pixelmedia.com.au> Is there a way to find out what character the user has selected in their system as the 'decimal separator'? How about the 'thousands separator'? Thanks, -- Igor de Oliveira Couto ------------------------------ ------------------------------ From rodneytamblyn at paradise.net.nz Mon Nov 3 22:18:08 2003 From: rodneytamblyn at paradise.net.nz (Rodney Tamblyn) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 16:18:08 +1300 Subject: ideas wanted for secure display of media resources In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <839BB15A-0E75-11D8-812F-003065F97100@paradise.net.nz> On Tuesday, November 4, 2003, at 01:45 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: >> If anyone knows a good secure way of managing and displaying media >> assets within Revolution please let me know. > > Who do you want to prevent from accessing the media? Any end user, or > only > unlicensed users? If you only want to thwart unlicensed users, > storing the > media in some kind of password protected file (database, stack, etc) is > probably a good way to go. Yes ... one of the points I was making is that it's easy enough to store the files in a protected way, but when you want to actually use them in Revolution you have to unprotect them. Eg If you have a 50Mb QuickTime movie you'll need to write it out to a file on disk then set the filename of a player control to it. > > Otherwise, you should keep in mind that once something is displayed on > screen, it can be copied via screen capture tools. Utilities exist to > capture the screen over time (ie movies/animation), as well as static > images. Even DVD copy protection can be circumvented, so you'll be > hard > pressed to find a completely secure method of asset delivery. > Obscuring the > asset location/s and filenames are probably reasonable options for you, > barring the more costly custom/external options. Yes this is true, however I'm less concerned with this aspect as images will be degraded in quality. I guess the point here is that all security measures you take have an impact on performance and usability in various ways. I feel that supporting writing to image and movie objects in Revolution (and having the data so written securely cached for display) would provide a simple way of securing media delivery and avoid the issues with writing out to files. R. > Regards, > > Scott Rossi > Creative Director > Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design > ----- > E: scott at tactilemedia.com > W: http://www.tactilemedia.com > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > -- Rodney Tamblyn 44 Melville Street Dunedin New Zealand +64 3 4778606 http://rodney.weblogs.com/ From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Mon Nov 3 22:29:02 2003 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 19:29:02 -0800 Subject: Making Windows application icons on Mac In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3941205570.20031103192902@ahsoftware.net> Paul- Hmmm. Windows icon files are 766 bytes long under my Win2k systems. Here's a url for the file format: http://www.iconolog.net/info/icoFormat.html -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From igor at pixelmedia.com.au Mon Nov 3 22:35:20 2003 From: igor at pixelmedia.com.au (Igor Couto) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 14:35:20 +1100 Subject: Making Windows application icons on Mac In-Reply-To: References: <86DE0372-0E43-11D8-B629-000393C4760A@mindlube.com> Message-ID: On 04/11/2003, at 8:35 AM, Paul Stary wrote: > I was able to download BMPtoICO > here and it > worked like a charm! > If you have Adobe Photoshop - you might want to try a commercial Photoshop plug-in called "IconBuilder". It helps you put together (all within Photoshop) the data you need for both Mac AND Win icons. It is produced by the 'IconFactory': http://www.iconfactory.com/ Cheers, -- Igor de Oliveira Couto ------------------------------ ------------------------------ From lists at mangomultimedia.com Mon Nov 3 22:37:13 2003 From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 20:37:13 -0700 Subject: ideas wanted for secure display of media resources In-Reply-To: <7153D8EB-0E58-11D8-A00B-003065F97100@paradise.net.nz> References: <7153D8EB-0E58-11D8-A00B-003065F97100@paradise.net.nz> Message-ID: <2D8EF14F-0E78-11D8-BC17-00039384A130@mangomultimedia.com> One technique you can use with QuickTime is to create a Wired Sprite that will only play from a specific directory. The sprite will check what directory the media is playing from when you open it and if it isn't the correct one it will refuse to play the movie. You need to have access to a program like LiveStage Pro (totallyhip.com) in order to do this but it is a pretty good way of making sure people don't pass your media around and it won't have much of an impact (if any) on performance. I haven't tried this from within Revolution but I have used similar techniques on the web to secure song files. -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Multimedia trevor at mangomultimedia.com On Nov 3, 2003, at 4:50 PM, Rodney Tamblyn wrote: > I have a project which requires display of a significant number of > media resources. These comprise QuickTime movies and image files, the > latter mostly high resolution jpg files in the 500 to 1.5Mb file size > range. The project needs to be distributed on CD/DVD-ROM. My issue > is that I need to be able to keep the resources reasonably secure. > I'm planning to store the resources in encrypted Valentina database(s) > on the CD-ROMs. The problem comes when I retrieve the data for > display. > > Here's some ideas I've had so far: > ... From alex at mindlube.com Mon Nov 3 22:38:06 2003 From: alex at mindlube.com (Alex Rice) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 20:38:06 -0700 Subject: Making Windows application icons on Mac In-Reply-To: <3941205570.20031103192902@ahsoftware.net> References: <3941205570.20031103192902@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <4DA87B09-0E78-11D8-8A31-000393C4760A@mindlube.com> On Nov 3, 2003, at 8:29 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: > Paul- > > Hmmm. Windows icon files are 766 bytes long under my Win2k systems. My file produced by bmp2ico is also 766 bytes in length. Maybe Rev has got then length long in it's error message? Alex Rice | Mindlube Software | what a waste of thumbs that are opposable to make machines that are disposable -Ani DiFranco From alex at mindlube.com Mon Nov 3 23:45:27 2003 From: alex at mindlube.com (Alex Rice) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 21:45:27 -0700 Subject: Loading menus, Plug Ins... Message-ID: What do you do when Revolution hangs starting up at "Loading menus, Plug Ins..."? I tried emptying out my plugins folder but that isn't it. Alex Rice | Mindlube Software | what a waste of thumbs that are opposable to make machines that are disposable -Ani DiFranco From ambassador at fourthworld.com Mon Nov 3 23:50:23 2003 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 20:50:23 -0800 Subject: Loading menus, Plug Ins... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Alex Rice wrote: > What do you do when Revolution hangs starting up at "Loading menus, > Plug Ins..."? I tried emptying out my plugins folder but that isn't it. What changed between the time it loaded successfully and now? -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation Developer of WebMerge: Publish any database on any Web site ___________________________________________________________ Ambassador at FourthWorld.com http://www.FourthWorld.com Tel: 323-225-3717 AIM: FourthWorldInc From alex at mindlube.com Tue Nov 4 00:01:35 2003 From: alex at mindlube.com (Alex Rice) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 22:01:35 -0700 Subject: Loading menus, Plug Ins... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Nov 3, 2003, at 9:50 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > Alex Rice wrote: > >> What do you do when Revolution hangs starting up at "Loading menus, >> Plug Ins..."? I tried emptying out my plugins folder but that isn't >> it. > > What changed between the time it loaded successfully and now? Absolutely nothing. I guess Rev ate itself the last time I quit out of it. Alex Rice | Mindlube Software | what a waste of thumbs that are opposable to make machines that are disposable -Ani DiFranco From lists at mangomultimedia.com Tue Nov 4 00:13:57 2003 From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 22:13:57 -0700 Subject: DBuilder- sets "bottom" to 0,0,0? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Nov 3, 2003, at 5:08 PM, Alex Rice wrote: > On Nov 3, 2003, at 4:48 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > >> Yep, it's something to do with the default colors picked up from the >> system. >> The bottom and shadow colors seem to end up black. What you need to >> do is >> set these in your standalone stack and leave all other colors empty >> and >> things should look fine. It seems the default is 172,172,172 for both. > > Is that color for Windows? > > Using the Mac OS X color picker, there is a palette for Developers > (maybe installed by the Dev TOols CD?). On that palette: > > controlShadowColor = 147,147,147 I think it is 172,172,172 for Mac as well. I just tested this on some fields that were showing the thick black lines after building the standalone on OS X. In the development environment (where everything looks fine) I put the effective bottomColor of the field and it was 172,172,172. -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Multimedia trevor at mangomultimedia.com From paul at starytech.com Tue Nov 4 00:53:28 2003 From: paul at starytech.com (Paul Stary) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 21:53:28 -0800 Subject: Making Windows application icons on Mac In-Reply-To: <4DA87B09-0E78-11D8-8A31-000393C4760A@mindlube.com> References: <3941205570.20031103192902@ahsoftware.net> <4DA87B09-0E78-11D8-8A31-000393C4760A@mindlube.com> Message-ID: Alex & Mark, I checked the length of the successful Windows icon file built by BMPtoICO and Resorcerer reports the data fork as exactly 744. Norton Disk Editor also showed 744 bytes. Are you using a file editor to check the size? Desktop info may not report the actual file size but rather the block size required to store the file. Paul Stary >On Nov 3, 2003, at 8:29 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: > >>Paul- >> >>Hmmm. Windows icon files are 766 bytes long under my Win2k systems. > >My file produced by bmp2ico is also 766 bytes in length. Maybe Rev >has got then length long in it's error message? > >Alex Rice | Mindlube Software | > >what a waste of thumbs that are opposable >to make machines that are disposable -Ani DiFranco > >_______________________________________________ >use-revolution mailing list >use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Paul Stary Audio-Video Engineering Voice Mail: (949) 646-8877 Fax: (949) 515-3640 From sims at ezpzapps.com Tue Nov 4 01:23:39 2003 From: sims at ezpzapps.com (sims) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 07:23:39 +0100 Subject: Loading menus, Plug Ins... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: What do you do when Revolution hangs starting up at "Loading menus, Plug Ins..."? I tried emptying out my plugins folder but that isn't it. I've had several episodes of this, seems random. Went three weeks clean and then yesterday I had it happen four times. Dead stop at "Loading menus, Plug Ins..." It's like Rev stops at the pub and that's the end of it for that Rev's day...no detox available as far as I can tell. Each time I have to trash my Rev, open a new one (I now keep a folder with revolutionosx.dmg and my Reg code handy on my desktop). Open new Rev, input Reg, reset various items, set my script font to something readable, get rid of the icons in menubar, etc! Kind of disrupts the work/creative flow a bit....especially when it happens four times in one hour. No apparent recipe here...at least none recognised by my meager brain ram. Major pain in the potatoes when it happens. atb sims From alex at mindlube.com Tue Nov 4 01:50:43 2003 From: alex at mindlube.com (Alex Rice) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 23:50:43 -0700 Subject: Making Windows application icons on Mac In-Reply-To: References: <3941205570.20031103192902@ahsoftware.net> <4DA87B09-0E78-11D8-8A31-000393C4760A@mindlube.com> Message-ID: <35CEF472-0E93-11D8-8A31-000393C4760A@mindlube.com> On Nov 3, 2003, at 10:53 PM, Paul Stary wrote: > Alex & Mark, > > I checked the length of the successful Windows icon file built by > BMPtoICO and Resorcerer reports the data fork as exactly 744. Norton > Disk Editor also showed 744 bytes. > > Are you using a file editor to check the size? Desktop info may not > report the actual file size but rather the block size required to > store the file. No my .ico file is 766 bytes as reported by -- Get Info on Mac OS (HFS filesystem) -- ls -l (HFS filesystem/ OS X) -- ls -l (UFS filesystem/ FreeBSD) -- Properties dialog of Windows 2000 Explorer (NTFS filesystem) etc. I don't have Resorcer or Norton Disk Editor but don't know why they are reporting a different size for you. I guess Windows icons come in a variety of lengths & sometimes 744 works and sometimes 766 works. Alex Rice | Mindlube Software | what a waste of thumbs that are opposable to make machines that are disposable -Ani DiFranco From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Tue Nov 4 02:00:09 2003 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 23:00:09 -0800 Subject: Making Windows application icons on Mac In-Reply-To: References: <3941205570.20031103192902@ahsoftware.net> <4DA87B09-0E78-11D8-8A31-000393C4760A@mindlube.com> Message-ID: <5453873175.20031103230009@ahsoftware.net> Paul- Monday, November 3, 2003, 9:53:28 PM, you wrote: PS> Are you using a file editor to check the size? Desktop info may not PS> report the actual file size but rather the block size required to PS> store the file. I looked at them with HexWorkshop. Exactly 766 (02FE) bytes long. -- -Mark mwieder at ahsoftware.net From rbarber at yhb.att.ne.jp Tue Nov 4 02:01:51 2003 From: rbarber at yhb.att.ne.jp (Ron) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 16:01:51 +0900 Subject: Loading menus, Plug Ins... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: HI, This is not helpful toward a solution but my experience and (non)solution is the same as sims. Usually, the hanging occurs after a crash or lock out of Rev or some other app. I've never just had it happen without a previous lockup. Ron >> What do you do when Revolution hangs starting up at "Loading menus, >> Plug Ins..."? I tried emptying out my plugins folder but that isn't >> it. >> > I've had several episodes of this, seems random. Went three weeks > clean and then yesterday > I had it happen four times. Dead stop at "Loading menus, Plug Ins..." > It's like Rev stops at the > pub and that's the end of it for that Rev's day...no detox available > as far as I can tell. > > Each time I have to trash my Rev, open a new one (I now keep a folder > with revolutionosx.dmg and > my Reg code handy on my desktop). Open new Rev, input Reg, reset various > items, > set my script font to something readable, get rid of the icons in menubar, > etc! > Kind of disrupts the work/creative flow a bit....especially when it > happens four times > in one hour. > > No apparent recipe here...at least none recognised by my meager brain > ram. Major pain in > the potatoes when it happens. > > atb > > sims > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From alex at mindlube.com Tue Nov 4 02:06:07 2003 From: alex at mindlube.com (Alex Rice) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 00:06:07 -0700 Subject: Loading menus, Plug Ins... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5C90D024-0E95-11D8-8A31-000393C4760A@mindlube.com> On Nov 3, 2003, at 11:23 PM, sims wrote: > Each time I have to trash my Rev, open a new one (I now keep a folder > with revolutionosx.dmg and > my Reg code handy on my desktop). Open new Rev, input Reg, reset > various items, > set my script font to something readable, get rid of the icons in > menubar, etc! Ditto that > Kind of disrupts the work/creative flow a bit....especially when it > happens four times > in one hour. > > No apparent recipe here...at least none recognised by my meager brain > ram. Major pain in > the potatoes when it happens. Well you are not alone. Although it doesn't happen that often for me, thankfully. I added both of our comments to Bugzilla Bug 242 RR 2.0.2 halts the startup process at loading plugins Alex Rice | Mindlube Software | what a waste of thumbs that are opposable to make machines that are disposable -Ani DiFranco From alex at mindlube.com Tue Nov 4 02:20:33 2003 From: alex at mindlube.com (Alex Rice) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 00:20:33 -0700 Subject: 2 pixel beveled separator: how? Message-ID: <611F46D8-0E97-11D8-8A31-000393C4760A@mindlube.com> I'm trying to make a 2 pixel beveled separator (like one sees near the top of Internet Explorer on Windows, and Safari on Mac OS X). Horizontal and vertical. Using a line graphic- I can't do it. Using a button I can get the horizontal separator to look OK, but the vertical separator is eluding me- the shadow is always black. Alex Rice | Mindlube Software | what a waste of thumbs that are opposable to make machines that are disposable -Ani DiFranco From ambassador at fourthworld.com Tue Nov 4 02:21:20 2003 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 23:21:20 -0800 Subject: Diff algorithm In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Anyone implement a diff algorithm in xTalk? My goal is to compare the words in two blocks of text and output a combined block of text showing words present in the first block but absent in the second ("deleted") in red with a strikeout, and words present in the second but absent from the first ("added") in blue. This is one of those things that seems simple enough, yet in looking at the various algorithms floating around the Web apparently it is not. I had a version that kinda worked on lines but only kinda, so here I am.... -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation ___________________________________________________________ Ambassador at FourthWorld.com http://www.FourthWorld.com Tel: 323-225-3717 AIM: FourthWorldInc From alex at mindlube.com Tue Nov 4 02:43:30 2003 From: alex at mindlube.com (Alex Rice) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 00:43:30 -0700 Subject: Losing the amateur. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <95C8611A-0E9A-11D8-8A31-000393C4760A@mindlube.com> On Nov 3, 2003, at 4:10 PM, Judy Perry wrote: > This doesn't violate the license agreement? (Okay, obviously, I didn't > read it...). Have one of your grad students read it for you ;-) It looks like a player would not be violating the license agreement, however these would violate: -- script editing -- product competing with Runrev the RAD tool Alex Rice | Mindlube Software | what a waste of thumbs that are opposable to make machines that are disposable -Ani DiFranco From vikramsingh at mailandnews.com Tue Nov 4 02:49:16 2003 From: vikramsingh at mailandnews.com (Vikram Singh) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 02:49:16 -0500 Subject: 2 pixel beveled separator: how? Message-ID: <3FA72FE4@mailandnews.com> yeah the shadowcolor doesn't seem to update.. in the meanwhile you can set the hilite of the button to true. vikram Original Message --------------------------- I'm trying to make a 2 pixel beveled separator (like one sees near the top of Internet Explorer on Windows, and Safari on Mac OS X). Horizontal and vertical. Using a line graphic- I can't do it. Using a button I can get the horizontal separator to look OK, but the vertical separator is eluding me- the shadow is always black. From alex at mindlube.com Tue Nov 4 03:02:45 2003 From: alex at mindlube.com (Alex Rice) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 01:02:45 -0700 Subject: 2 pixel beveled separator: how? In-Reply-To: <3FA72FE4@mailandnews.com> References: <3FA72FE4@mailandnews.com> Message-ID: <45E97D5B-0E9D-11D8-8243-000393C4760A@mindlube.com> On Nov 4, 2003, at 12:49 AM, Vikram Singh wrote: > yeah the shadowcolor doesn't seem to update.. > > in the meanwhile you can set the hilite of the button to true. Hmm... that doesn't work for me. OK I just discovered this way: style = shadow button, hilite = false, height or width = 3 this works for both horizontal and vertical, apparently. Alex Rice | Mindlube Software | what a waste of thumbs that are opposable to make machines that are disposable -Ani DiFranco From sims at ezpzapps.com Tue Nov 4 03:46:10 2003 From: sims at ezpzapps.com (sims) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 09:46:10 +0100 Subject: Loading menus, Plug Ins... In-Reply-To: <5C90D024-0E95-11D8-8A31-000393C4760A@mindlube.com> References: <5C90D024-0E95-11D8-8A31-000393C4760A@mindlube.com> Message-ID: > >I added both of our comments to > >Bugzilla Bug 242 RR 2.0.2 halts the startup process at loading plugins RR 2.1 here with this problem. sims From sarahr at genesearch.com.au Tue Nov 4 04:17:48 2003 From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 19:17:48 +1000 Subject: Pointer tool not working In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tuesday, November 4, 2003, at 09:12 am, JonathanC at ag.nsw.gov.au wrote: > Three other things I don't understand are: > 1. Why, when I close "Launcher.rev" and then open it again, does it > change > from Modeless to TopLevel by itself? > 2. Why does "Launcher.rev" open automatically when I launch > "Revolution"? > (I may have set this behaviour myself - after all it mimics HyperCard's > Home, which is what I want - but I have no idea how, if I did.) > 3. Revolution's documentation says there's a Home stack, but where is > it? > Hi Jonathan, Check out the entry for "style" in the Transcript Dictionary - at the bottom it defines the various styles that can be set for stacks. I think the answer to question 2 is relevant to question 1, so starting in the middle :-) 2. You have placed your Launcher in the plugins folder where it's behaviour is governed by the Plugin settings. Go to the Development menu -> Plugins. At the bottom you will see Plugin Settings. Choose your Launcher stack from the popup menu at the top and check it's current settings. I would guess that it is set to "Open when Revolution starts up" and "Open as modeless dialog". Now back to question 1: The answer to Q2 probably explains why Launcher starts modeless, but if you close it and then restart normally (not from the plugin menu), it will revert to it's natural setting. Unless you have specifically changed it's style to modeless, it's default style will be topLevel so it will be completely editable. If you re-open it from the Plugins menu, I think it will open modeless again, but I'm not sure about that. 3. Rev does have a Home stack, but it isn't like HyperCard's Home. You aren't supposed to use it as a Launcher and it is mostly invisible. It contains a lot of substacks like ask, answer, message watcher, error display etc. If you turn on "Revolution UI Elements in List" in the View menu, then open the Application Browser, you will see the Home stack listed, but it is password-protected so unlike a lot of the interface stacks, you can't poke around in the Home stack. Cheers, Sarah sarahr at genesearch.com.au http://www.troz.net/Rev/ From curry at pair.com Tue Nov 4 04:44:29 2003 From: curry at pair.com (curry) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 03:44:29 -0600 Subject: Revolution Pricing... In-Reply-To: <20031104064944.8F5A69300FC@mail.runrev.com> References: <20031104064944.8F5A69300FC@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: Jason wrote: >Since I'm one of those amateurs that is counting >pennies (or in my case, baht) Sawasdee, Chohk dee! That's the place where I got started on releasing shareware. (And for some reason I seemed to be more productive at it there than back here in the States!) :-) Curry From ian at azurevision.co.uk Tue Nov 4 05:27:35 2003 From: ian at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 10:27:35 +0000 Subject: ideas wanted for secure display of media resources In-Reply-To: <2D8EF14F-0E78-11D8-BC17-00039384A130@mangomultimedia.com> Message-ID: <81D5DA94-0EB1-11D8-8D26-0003935A2896@azurevision.co.uk> This is a nice idea, but you will have trouble on Windows due to the wonders of the random drive letter assigned to the optical drive. I've run into this problem when creating a QuickTime CD portfolio. With LiveStage you could set the sprite to check for the presence/contents of an XML file in the same folder as the QT movies, but if someone realises what the XML file is for they can just copy that over as well. I suspect the 'delete on suspend' trick is likely to be your best bet. Ian Wood Panoramic photography, from web to billboard, sunrise to moonrise http://www.azurevision.co.uk On Tuesday, November 4, 2003, at 03:37 am, Trevor DeVore wrote: > One technique you can use with QuickTime is to create a Wired Sprite > that will only play from a specific directory. The sprite will check > what directory the media is playing from when you open it and if it > isn't the correct one it will refuse to play the movie. You need to > have access to a program like LiveStage Pro (totallyhip.com) in order > to do this but it is a pretty good way of making sure people don't > pass your media around and it won't have much of an impact (if any) on > performance. > > I haven't tried this from within Revolution but I have used similar > techniques on the web to secure song files. > > -- > Trevor DeVore > Blue Mango Multimedia > trevor at mangomultimedia.com > > > On Nov 3, 2003, at 4:50 PM, Rodney Tamblyn wrote: > >> I have a project which requires display of a significant number of >> media resources. These comprise QuickTime movies and image files, >> the latter mostly high resolution jpg files in the 500 to 1.5Mb file >> size range. The project needs to be distributed on CD/DVD-ROM. My >> issue is that I need to be able to keep the resources reasonably >> secure. I'm planning to store the resources in encrypted Valentina >> database(s) on the CD-ROMs. The problem comes when I retrieve the >> data for display. >> >> Here's some ideas I've had so far: >> ... > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > From thomas-seewald at t-online.de Mon Nov 3 06:55:50 2003 From: thomas-seewald at t-online.de (Thomas Seewald) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 12:55:50 +0100 Subject: Getting mails from pop Message-ID: Hi there, especially, Sarah, I found a script for getting mails from a pop server. http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2002-July/006051.html In this script I have a problem with sendReceive "PASS " & the cHiddenPass of fld "Password" I can?t find a function "cHiddenPass" Please answer me as double direkt to Thomas-seewald at web.de as I do not know if I receive this list. Einen sch?nen Tag und internette Gr??e Thomas Seewald -- Thomas Seewald Bunsenstra?e 17 01139 Dresden Telefon 0351 8567 992 thomas-seewald at t-online.de From mike at cyber-ny.com Tue Nov 4 06:55:06 2003 From: mike at cyber-ny.com (Mike Brown) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 06:55:06 -0500 Subject: Making Windows application icons on Mac In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I successfully used the BMPtoICO utility and was able to add an icon to a Windows standalone from my Mac. Unfortunately only the 16 color format would work. I am spoiled by the higher quality look of OS X and Windows XP icons... Is there any way to add a better icon to a Windows Rev app than a 32 x 32 pixel 16 color version? Is that standard or an outdated format?? - Mike From rxfeldman at comcast.net Tue Nov 4 07:13:52 2003 From: rxfeldman at comcast.net (Russell) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 07:13:52 -0500 Subject: Can cards in a stack be of different sizes Message-ID: <003801c3a2cd$1ca97990$6501a8c0@S0031724895> Hi people What got me started on this different size windows here. I decided as an exercise in design I would emulate a window off the application I was on. Now if I wanted duplicate this application a good place to start would be off the menu. And each procedure off the menu collects information and sets about doing what it was designed to do. (In my case the Print window) It seems to me that this procedure is what dictates the size of the window needed I am not thinking like everyone else here on the need for different size windows in an application (stack) How can an application be constrained to one 5x8 or whatever size window. ? Thanks Russell From jhurley at infostations.com Tue Nov 4 07:59:56 2003 From: jhurley at infostations.com (Jim Hurley) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 04:59:56 -0800 Subject: Tabbed buttons In-Reply-To: <20031104102538.41EDB930119@mail.runrev.com> References: <20031104102538.41EDB930119@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: I have an opening stack with 1 card. On this card is a 5 tab button. Each tab opens a different stack. When the stack opens, one of the tabs is selected (of course.) If I want to select *this* tab the button does not receive a "menupick" message and I cannot execute the item pick of that tab. But it does respond to a "mouseUp" message. Is there some was of determining which tab is selected so that I might use the "mouseUp" message to execute the item associated with that tab? Jim From janschenkel at yahoo.com Tue Nov 4 08:04:09 2003 From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 05:04:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: Tabbed buttons In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20031104130409.26801.qmail@web60507.mail.yahoo.com> --- Jim Hurley wrote: > I have an opening stack with 1 card. On this card is > a 5 tab button. > Each tab opens a different stack. > > When the stack opens, one of the tabs is selected > (of course.) If I > want to select *this* tab the button does not > receive a "menupick" > message and I cannot execute the item pick of that > tab. > > But it does respond to a "mouseUp" message. Is there > some was of > determining which tab is selected so that I might > use the "mouseUp" > message to execute the item associated with that > tab? > > Jim > Hi Jim, Open the Transcript Dictionary and have a look at the entry for the 'menuHistory' property. Allow me to point out that this construction might be confusing for the end-user, as tabs are used to delimit different panels within the same window. Hope this helped, Jan Schenkel. ===== "As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time." (La Rochefoucauld) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net Tue Nov 4 08:06:05 2003 From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas J McGrath III) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 08:06:05 -0500 Subject: 2 pixel beveled separator: how? In-Reply-To: <611F46D8-0E97-11D8-8A31-000393C4760A@mindlube.com> Message-ID: I tried both of those and did not like them at all. Finally I just used the built in object library HR rule VR rule. They did the trick for me. Tom On Tuesday, November 4, 2003, at 02:20 AM, Alex Rice wrote: > I'm trying to make a 2 pixel beveled separator (like one sees near the > top of Internet Explorer on Windows, and Safari on Mac OS X). > Horizontal and vertical. > > Using a line graphic- I can't do it. > Using a button I can get the horizontal separator to look OK, but the > vertical separator is eluding me- the shadow is always black. > > > Alex Rice | Mindlube Software | > > > what a waste of thumbs that are opposable > to make machines that are disposable -Ani DiFranco > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > Thomas J McGrath III Advanced Media Group 220 Drake Rd. Bethel Park, PA 15102 3mcgrath at adelphia.net From jhurley at infostations.com Tue Nov 4 08:57:29 2003 From: jhurley at infostations.com (Jim Hurley) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 05:57:29 -0800 Subject: Can cards in a stack be of different sizes In-Reply-To: <20031103234517.08A199300DB@mail.runrev.com> References: <20031103234517.08A199300DB@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: One more word on this subject. I think many of us may have missed the new Rev command introduced in 2.0: RevChangeWindowSize. I just stumbled on it myself. As defined in the docs: revChangeWindowSize newWidth, newHeight [,animation [,cardNumber [,totalTime]]] With examples: revChangeWindowSize 100,120 revChangeWindowSize the width of stack "Template",200,"slide" revChangeWindowSize myWidth,myHeight,"snap",1 -- displays card 1 revChangeWindowSize 200,250,"slide",,500 -- slides over 1/2 second It leaves the upper left hand corner of the window fixed. Very nice. Jim From mcdomi at free.fr Tue Nov 4 08:58:28 2003 From: mcdomi at free.fr (Dom) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 14:58:28 +0100 Subject: Losing the amateur... In-Reply-To: <1067874264.2783.101.camel@www.kmax.ici> Message-ID: <1g3wlqz.x8bd941skvp4wM%mcdomi@free.fr> Pierre Sahores wrote: > Perhaps are we a little mistaking us about what the computer's software > markets are and are'nt Houla ! je crois, Pierre, que tu lances la une belle polemique ;-))) That's somewhat polemical, IMHO... That said, overall I do agree with you... -- Digital photos (nature, garden) : http://cooldomi.free.fr/ New MC files at my Scripting page : http://domiscript.free.fr/ From rcozens at pon.net Tue Nov 4 08:35:19 2003 From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 06:35:19 -0700 Subject: Opening stacks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >I actually got 2.0.3, but the license doesn't work. It should, >though,...until 2.1...it did for 2.0.1. When v2.0.2 was released on July 29th I received a new v2.0.2 unlock code from Heather. -- Rob Cozens CCW, Serendipity Software Company http://www.oenolog.net/who.htm "And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three; Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee." from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631) From lists at mangomultimedia.com Tue Nov 4 10:39:31 2003 From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 08:39:31 -0700 Subject: ideas wanted for secure display of media resources In-Reply-To: <81D5DA94-0EB1-11D8-8D26-0003935A2896@azurevision.co.uk> References: <81D5DA94-0EB1-11D8-8D26-0003935A2896@azurevision.co.uk> Message-ID: <154775C0-0EDD-11D8-BC17-00039384A130@mangomultimedia.com> On Nov 4, 2003, at 3:27 AM, Ian Wood wrote: > This is a nice idea, but you will have trouble on Windows due to the > wonders of the random drive letter assigned to the optical drive. > I've run into this problem when creating a QuickTime CD portfolio. > With LiveStage you could set the sprite to check for the > presence/contents of an XML file in the same folder as the QT movies, > but if someone realises what the XML file is for they can just copy > that over as well. You don't have to check all the way down to the drive letter. Just put your media a few levels deep on the CD-ROM and check those folders. At least then a person would have to recreate your folder structure if they wanted to pass it around. Another option would be if we could get some enhanced QuickTime support in Revolution so that you could set Sprite variables from within Rev then you could have Revolution send a password of sorts to the QuickTime movie which would enable Sprite track and start the movie playing. An external could be written to do this. > I suspect the 'delete on suspend' trick is likely to be your best bet. This works if the machine isn't on a network. Otherwise just leave the program running and access the temporary media file from another computer on the network. No suspend message is sent and the person has the media file. -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Multimedia trevor at mangomultimedia.com From bvlahos at mac.com Tue Nov 4 11:56:29 2003 From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 08:56:29 -0800 Subject: Diff algorithm In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Here is a script I wrote to compare 2 folders for files and folders that were present in each and unique to each. I never bothered to make it recursive. Fields "three", "four", and "five" are visible and is where the output is sent to. on mouseUp prepFields -- handler in stack script to clear fields lock screen -- field "one" contains a directory listing for "Folder1" and is invisible -- field "two" contains a directory listing for "Folder2" and is invisible repeat for each line tLine in field "one" -- compare Folder1 against Folder2 find string tLine in field "two" -- for each line see if you can find it anywhere in field "two" if the result is not empty then put the URLDecode of item one of tLine & return after field "three" -- Unique to Folder1 else put the URLDecode of item one tLine & return after field "five" -- Common to both folders end if end repeat repeat for each line tLine in field "two" -- now compare Folder2 against Folder1 find string tLine in field "one" -- for each line see if you can find it anywhere in field "one" if the result is not empty then put the URLDecode of item one tLine & return after field "four" -- Unique to Folder2 end if end repeat sort field "five" unlock screen with dissolve fast end mouseUp As an interesting aside, I wrote this as an example stack just to show someone how to do it in Rev but never thought I would actually use it. It wasn't 3 weeks before I was transfering files from one server to another and I got a report that some files were not able to transfer but it didn't say which ones. This app worked perfectly to tell me which ones didn't make it. Bill Vlahos On Nov 3, 2003, at 11:21 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > Anyone implement a diff algorithm in xTalk? > > My goal is to compare the words in two blocks of text and output a > combined > block of text showing words present in the first block but absent in > the > second ("deleted") in red with a strikeout, and words present in the > second > but absent from the first ("added") in blue. > > This is one of those things that seems simple enough, yet in looking > at the > various algorithms floating around the Web apparently it is not. I > had a > version that kinda worked on lines but only kinda, so here I am.... > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World Media Corporation > ___________________________________________________________ > Ambassador at FourthWorld.com http://www.FourthWorld.com > Tel: 323-225-3717 AIM: FourthWorldInc > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From scott at tactilemedia.com Tue Nov 4 12:10:44 2003 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 09:10:44 -0800 Subject: Can cards in a stack be of different sizes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > I think many of us may have missed the new Rev command introduced in > 2.0: RevChangeWindowSize. I just stumbled on it myself. > > As defined in the docs: > > revChangeWindowSize newWidth, newHeight [,animation [,cardNumber > [,totalTime]]] > > With examples: > > revChangeWindowSize 100,120 > revChangeWindowSize the width of stack "Template",200,"slide" > revChangeWindowSize myWidth,myHeight,"snap",1 -- displays card 1 > revChangeWindowSize 200,250,"slide",,500 -- slides over 1/2 second > > It leaves the upper left hand corner of the window fixed. A nice feature, but you can also adjust the size of a stack by changing its rect, which can be done leaving any corner or side of the window fixed in place. For example, the following would reduce the stack's height from the top, keeping the other 3 sides fixed: on mouseUp put rect of this stack into tRect add 30 to item 2 of tRect set rect of this stack to tRect end mouseUp Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design ----- E: scott at tactilemedia.com W: http://www.tactilemedia.com From engleerica at yahoo.com Tue Nov 4 12:22:25 2003 From: engleerica at yahoo.com (Eric Engle) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 09:22:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: RR DIGITAL MEDIA PRESENTATION - help? In-Reply-To: <20031104170005.E17CE930121@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <20031104172225.18389.qmail@web60509.mail.yahoo.com> I'm presenting a presentation about MC/RR on friday to my class in digital media. Most of my work is not so visual, so I'm hoping I can borrow a stack (with credits of course) illustrating some wowie stuff to the students. Basically I'm trying to sell them on the idea of RR as a wonderful development tools. Can someone point me to the stacks? Thanks! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From alex at mindlube.com Tue Nov 4 12:02:05 2003 From: alex at mindlube.com (Alex Rice) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 10:02:05 -0700 Subject: 2 pixel beveled separator: how? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9DDDD124-0EE8-11D8-BE32-000393C4760A@mindlube.com> On Nov 4, 2003, at 6:06 AM, Thomas J McGrath III wrote: > I tried both of those and did not like them at all. Finally I just > used the built in object library HR rule VR rule. They did the trick > for me. THAT's what I was looking for. Thanks - sometimes I forget that the Object Library is there- I use it so infrequently. Alex Rice | Mindlube Software | what a waste of thumbs that are opposable to make machines that are disposable -Ani DiFranco From klaus at major-k.de Tue Nov 4 13:01:05 2003 From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 19:01:05 +0100 Subject: RR DIGITAL MEDIA PRESENTATION - help? In-Reply-To: <20031104172225.18389.qmail@web60509.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031104172225.18389.qmail@web60509.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Eric, > I'm presenting a presentation about MC/RR on friday to my class in > digital > media. Most of my work is not so visual, so I'm hoping I can borrow a > stack > (with credits of course) illustrating some wowie stuff to the students. Could you explain the term "wowie" a bit more? ;-) Wowie Zowie, babe, your love's a treat Wowie Zowie, babe, you can't be beat Wowie Zowie, babe, you're so neat I don't even care if you shave your legs... etc... Frank Zappa: Freak Out -> "Wowie Zowie" :-) > Basically I'm trying to sell them on the idea of RR as a wonderful > development > tools. > > Can someone point me to the stacks? There are some nice stacks on the contributions-page of RR... But i think this page will supply some real "wowie" stuff: http://www.tactilemedia.com/download/ :-) > Thanks! You're welcome :-) Regards Klaus Major klaus at major-k.de www.major-k.de From pixelbird at interisland.net Tue Nov 4 13:03:15 2003 From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 10:03:15 -0800 Subject: Can cards in a stack be of different sizes In-Reply-To: <20031104170005.BAFC39300BD@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: Hi Russell, > Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 07:13:52 -0500 > From: "Russell" > Subject: Re: Can cards in a stack be of different sizes > How can an application be constrained to one 5x8 or whatever size window. ? ---------- set resizeable of stack x to false HTH, Ken N. From alex at mindlube.com Tue Nov 4 13:25:56 2003 From: alex at mindlube.com (Alex Rice) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 11:25:56 -0700 Subject: Cross Platform Build - my first In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <550814F0-0EF4-11D8-8A02-000393C4760A@mindlube.com> On Oct 29, 2003, at 5:05 PM, Thomas J McGrath III wrote: > I have been going back and checking each object on the background and > find that I know nothing about REV.... > It appears I thought that a group would override an object and as such > have dozens of groups to 'simplify' my updating of object colors and > sizes and text. I guess I screwed it all up. BUT it did look ok on > OSX. ...snip > I had to laugh when I read this. But, No they didn't look like regular > XP window buttons at all. I set all kinds of stupid border, color, > text settings and then put them all in groups because I thought that > would help separate sections of the app. Boy, did I screw up. > > One question: If I had left them alone would the standard 'unabused' > buttons change their look when in 2000 and then change their look in > XP and still again look normal in OSX/Classic?????? ...snip > I used my favorite font - Arial - Is that not good for Windows??? > What fonts are good?? also I have group settings for fonts and then > item settings for fonts etc. I screwed this up but good. Thomas- unfortunately, this is the reality of cross platform development in Revolution. IMHO Ken's answers paint the ideal scenario (use the default control settings, use the Preview/ Look and Feel menu item). In practice for me, that doesn't work. Yes, the core engine is remarkably cross-platform. But the IDE really falls short of previewing what your app will look like a) when built as a standalone and b) when run on other platforms, and combinations of a) and b). As far as I can tell, Rev has not improved at all in this respect. Someone correct me if I'm not being sensitive enough, but *has* this improved at all from 1.1.1 through 2.1.1RC? There are all kinds of hacks and workarounds, but you can pretty much count on spending a lot of tweaking various platforms to get it right. Examples of what I'm talking about: -- View | Look and Feel menu will show you the new shapes for the controls, but it *will* get the colors and fonts wrong. -- Distribution Builder messes up colors (see thread "Re: DBuilder- sets "bottomColor" to 0,0,0?") -- Standalones may get a different background color, or other color properties from the OS when running as a standalone. Dirty workaround- look up colors in the Windows Registry when your app launches. -- Properties inheritance is difficult to use. (you are a smart guy, and graphics guru, but your attempt to use properties inheritance in groups etc was less than spectacular eh?) I want View | Look and Feel to show me *exactly* what it will look like on another platform. Of course fonts and gamma will not be the same. Of course Windows and Linux cannot preview Mac OS appearance manager. But other than that- WHY should the View | Look and Feel results look SO different than at runtime? This is after all, a 4GL with an emulated-abstracted display system emulated-abstract GUI widgets, right? It always looks different, and there are always surprises. By gut feeling is that the Rev IDE does not isolate it's display properties from the user's stacks, well enough. The IDE colors/biases a lot of your projects display properties to be the IDE's instead of what at runtime will be gotten by your stack from the engine and OS. Sorry for all this, I've just spent a couple of hours trying to figure out why the bottomColor and shadowColor are getting so screwed up in my standalones- why it differs between stacks and substacks in the standalone, and wondering if the Distribution Builder is an AI or something which would explain the erratic results. Zipping mouth now... Alex Rice | Mindlube Software | what a waste of thumbs that are opposable to make machines that are disposable -Ani DiFranco From ttasovac at princeton.edu Tue Nov 4 13:35:54 2003 From: ttasovac at princeton.edu (Toma Tasovac) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 19:35:54 +0100 Subject: PreNewbie database question In-Reply-To: <67FC6921-0DB9-11D8-A696-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au> References: <67FC6921-0DB9-11D8-A696-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au> Message-ID: Sarah, I tried downloading MySQLtests.rev from your site but the link seems to be broken, no such file exists. Am I doing something wrong? All best, Toma On Nov 3, 2003, at 5:51 AM, Sarah wrote: > > At my web site, I have two Rev stacks for testing MySQL: > MySQLtests.rev is the more complete and has an help section that gives > a bit of information about installing but I only use OS X and I don't > know how much of this translates to other platforms. The information > about setting up permissions should work anywhere. > From alex at mindlube.com Tue Nov 4 14:16:21 2003 From: alex at mindlube.com (Alex Rice) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 12:16:21 -0700 Subject: using Distribution Builder's "Save Distribution As..." option Message-ID: <5F9BE3C4-0EFB-11D8-8A02-000393C4760A@mindlube.com> Who is using the DB "Save Distribution As..." option? How do you deal with Revolution upgrades? Just toss all of your saved distribution builder stacks and start over? Keep using the old distribution builder stacks? It seems like distribution builder uses the old xtalk style of design where the script, settings, and GUI are all thrown together as one inseparable unit. It takes a "what me worry?" attitude towards maintenance and upgrades. Something I want to try to avoid in my Rev development. Alex Rice | Mindlube Software | what a waste of thumbs that are opposable to make machines that are disposable -Ani DiFranco From alex at mindlube.com Tue Nov 4 14:46:56 2003 From: alex at mindlube.com (Alex Rice) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 12:46:56 -0700 Subject: bugzilla and "my bugs" Message-ID: On some bugs I'm listed as "reporter", but they don't show up in the preset query "my bugs". (#862 for example) Alex Rice | Mindlube Software | what a waste of thumbs that are opposable to make machines that are disposable -Ani DiFranco From dan at clearvisiontech.com Tue Nov 4 14:47:38 2003 From: dan at clearvisiontech.com (Dan Friedman) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 11:47:38 -0800 Subject: Moving Buttons... In-Reply-To: <20031104170005.E17CE930121@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: How would you do this... On a card, you have a bunch of buttons that are grouped together (group "ButtonGroup"). You want to let the user move the buttons around - but you want to prevent any of the buttons from overlaping. I have this in the card script to handle the movement: on mouseMove if not the hilite of btn "lockChanges" then if the mouse is down then if the short name of the owner of the target = "ButtonGroup" then put the short name of the target into butName set the loc of btn butName to the mouseLoc end if end if end if end mouseMove How do you get the button that is being moved to not collide with another button. And, if possible, how can you get the moving button to "snap" to the closest button? Any advise (or code snippet) would be appreciated! Thanks! Dan From chipp at chipp.com Tue Nov 4 15:05:34 2003 From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 14:05:34 -0600 Subject: Moving Buttons... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dan, Check out the intersect and grab functions. Also, you shouldn't check "if the mouse is down" as it steals cycles from other programs and is generally considered a no no. Check the drag window script at: http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/RunRev/UsefulScripts.htm for the proper way to handle mouseMove stuff. -Chipp > On a card, you have a bunch of buttons that are grouped together (group > "ButtonGroup"). You want to let the user move the buttons around > - but you > want to prevent any of the buttons from overlaping. > > I have this in the card script to handle the movement: > > on mouseMove > if not the hilite of btn "lockChanges" then > if the mouse is down then > if the short name of the owner of the target = "ButtonGroup" then > put the short name of the target into butName > set the loc of btn butName to the mouseLoc > end if > end if > end if > end mouseMove > > How do you get the button that is being moved to not collide with another > button. And, if possible, how can you get the moving button to "snap" to > the closest button? > > Any advise (or code snippet) would be appreciated! > > Thanks! > Dan > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From alex at mindlube.com Tue Nov 4 15:11:53 2003 From: alex at mindlube.com (Alex Rice) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 13:11:53 -0700 Subject: Moving Buttons... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <21BD987B-0F03-11D8-8A02-000393C4760A@mindlube.com> On Nov 4, 2003, at 1:05 PM, Chipp Walters wrote: > Check the drag window script at: > > http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/RunRev/UsefulScripts.htm > > for the proper way to handle mouseMove stuff. Also Alex Rice | Mindlube Software | what a waste of thumbs that are opposable to make machines that are disposable -Ani DiFranco From bornstein at designeq.com Tue Nov 4 15:27:35 2003 From: bornstein at designeq.com (Howard Bornstein) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 15:27:35 -0500 Subject: using Distribution Builder's "Save Distribution As..." option In-Reply-To: <5F9BE3C4-0EFB-11D8-8A02-000393C4760A@mindlube.com> Message-ID: <53A46EDC-0F05-11D8-8C17-000A95909E26@designeq.com> On Tuesday, November 4, 2003, at 02:16 PM, Alex Rice wrote: > Who is using the DB "Save Distribution As..." option? How do you deal > with Revolution upgrades? Poorly. In my experience, saved distribution files often won't work across Rev versions. IMHO, the mechanism for setting up rev distributions is flawed. They should be like documents, each document storing a set of distribution parameters. Thus, the file menu should have a New Distribution menu item. Currently, you have to choose "revert to default settings" to start fresh and then you may still have to change some data. How intuitive is that? I just brought up a saved distribution file and it had its data merged with some of the information that was in the existing distribution stack. Most of the time, I rebuild a distribution stack from scratch--a big waste of time that shouldn't be necessary. Regards, Howard Bornstein ---------------- D E S I G N E Q www.designeq.com From alex at mindlube.com Tue Nov 4 15:53:12 2003 From: alex at mindlube.com (Alex Rice) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 13:53:12 -0700 Subject: using Distribution Builder's "Save Distribution As..." option In-Reply-To: <53A46EDC-0F05-11D8-8C17-000A95909E26@designeq.com> References: <53A46EDC-0F05-11D8-8C17-000A95909E26@designeq.com> Message-ID: On Nov 4, 2003, at 1:27 PM, Howard Bornstein wrote: > Poorly. In my experience, saved distribution files often won't work > across Rev versions. IMHO, the mechanism for setting up rev > distributions is flawed. They should be like documents, each document > storing a set of distribution parameters. Thus, the file menu should > have a New Distribution menu item. Currently, you have to choose > "revert to default settings" to start fresh and then you may still > have to change some data. How intuitive is that? > > I just brought up a saved distribution file and it had its data merged > with some of the information that was in the existing distribution > stack. You you think it is attempting some type of document load when you do "Open Distribution..."? I always figured it was just going to the saved stack in place of the default distribution builder. > Most of the time, I rebuild a distribution stack from scratch--a big > waste of time that shouldn't be necessary. Ah. That sounds like my experience. So I just stopped using "Save As" entirely. If I need to build another project, or change settings, I just retype the information into the Distribution Builder. It's tedious, but at least it ensures I'm always using the latest distribution builder. Alex Rice | Mindlube Software | what a waste of thumbs that are opposable to make machines that are disposable -Ani DiFranco From rxfeldman at comcast.net Tue Nov 4 16:39:31 2003 From: rxfeldman at comcast.net (Russell) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 16:39:31 -0500 Subject: Can cards in a stack be of different sizes Message-ID: <004601c3a31c$21f9d9e0$6501a8c0@S0031724895> > Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 07:13:52 -0500 > From: "Russell" > Subject: Re: Can cards in a stack be of different sizes > How can an application be constrained to one 5x8 or whatever size window. ? ---------- set resizeable of stack x to false HTH, Ken N. ------------------------------ Hrmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Hemmmmmm From capellan2000 at yahoo.com Tue Nov 4 17:36:38 2003 From: capellan2000 at yahoo.com (Alejandro Tejada) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 14:36:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: Losing the amateur Message-ID: <20031104223638.34181.qmail@web40503.mail.yahoo.com> There is another point that is worth to ponder in this theme. All Persons that want to learn programming for their very own personal reason, not because is an university class requisite, needs some kind of precise conceptual map that shows them were are they standing now, and what other routes they can follow to enhance their knowledge or fulfill the goals that they have set to themselves. I'm sure that not everyone that start using Revolution has this clear. Some of them have unusually high or low expectatives about RunRev. The worse is that most don't read or print the help files... HyperCard users are a group that without doubt are highly aware of their path and the new roads that RunRev opens, but for others the obvious is not clear. So, I hope that in a not so distant future RunRev publish some sort of Self-examination stacks about several themes of programming in this enviroment. I'll be better if they build over the excellent "MetaTalk Programmer" published by Scott Raney and uses the same format and methodology. Scott wrote in his pages that they were going to publish another course using a RPG game to teach more advanced concepts of Programming. Al ===== Visit my site: http://www.geocities.com/capellan2000/ Search the mail list: http://mindlube.com/cgi-bin/search-use-rev.cgi __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From sarahr at genesearch.com.au Tue Nov 4 18:23:38 2003 From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 09:23:38 +1000 Subject: Tabbed buttons In-Reply-To: Message-ID: As Jan said, setting the menuHistory will select the tab AND send a menuPick message. If you would prefer to use the mouseUp message, you can still set and read the menuHistory, but if you have to menuPick handler, it won't trigger anything to happen when you set it. menuHistory is a number but you can convert it to & from a text entry by getting the lineOffset of the entry in the button as the tab names (menuItems) are stored as separate lines in the button itself. e.g. to select the tab with the text "Tab2" get lineOffset("Tab2", btn "Tabs") set the menuHistory of btn "Tabs" to it Cheers, Sarah sarahr at genesearch.com.au http://www.troz.net/Rev/ On Tuesday, November 4, 2003, at 11:00 pm, Jim Hurley wrote: > I have an opening stack with 1 card. On this card is a 5 tab button. > Each tab opens a different stack. > > When the stack opens, one of the tabs is selected (of course.) If I > want to select *this* tab the button does not receive a "menupick" > message and I cannot execute the item pick of that tab. > > But it does respond to a "mouseUp" message. Is there some was of > determining which tab is selected so that I might use the "mouseUp" > message to execute the item associated with that tab? > > Jim From sarahr at genesearch.com.au Tue Nov 4 18:27:36 2003 From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 09:27:36 +1000 Subject: PreNewbie database question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <79030142-0F1E-11D8-B884-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au> Sorry about that, I had changed the file name to eliminate the space but forgot to change the link to match :-( It's fixed now. Cheers, Sarah sarahr at genesearch.com.au http://www.troz.net/Rev/ On Wednesday, November 5, 2003, at 04:36 am, Toma Tasovac wrote: > Sarah, I tried downloading MySQLtests.rev from your site but the link > seems to be broken, no such file exists. Am I doing something wrong? > > All best, > Toma > > On Nov 3, 2003, at 5:51 AM, Sarah wrote: > >> >> At my web site, I have two Rev stacks for testing MySQL: >> MySQLtests.rev is the more complete and has an help section that >> gives a bit of information about installing but I only use OS X and I >> don't know how much of this translates to other platforms. The >> information about setting up permissions should work anywhere. From paul at starytech.com Tue Nov 4 19:51:21 2003 From: paul at starytech.com (Paul Stary) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 16:51:21 -0800 Subject: Develop on Windows or Mac? Message-ID: I have used Mac since 1984, but have developed some reasonable PC skills in the last 10 years. I still work on Mac for personal productivity, but find myself moving lots of my engineering stuff to PC just because that's the world view. Since I am soon to have both a G4 1.25 GHz. (Dual Boot) w/1.5 GB RAM running OS 9.2.2 and a Pentium 4 2.66 GHz, 533 FSB, 1 GB RAM XP machines available to me for a massive Revolution development project, which one should I develop on? For instance, is Rev 2.1 any more or less stable on Mac or Windows? Are features more or less accessible on one platform vs. the other? Which will machine will run Revolution faster? (I'm guessing the PC as much as it pains me to say) The project will ultimately run on Windows, so isn't there an advantage in developing on a Windows machine? Any input will be greatly appreciated, as I don't want to spend the extra money for Enterprise for the option when I wind up never running the development environment on both machines. Does it make sense to consider buying both Mac and Windows versions of Studio ($598) vs. the $999 Enterprise if I never plan to develop on other OS's? Thanks. -- Paul Stary Audio-Video Engineering Voice Mail: (949) 646-8877 Fax: (949) 515-3640 From smilingeyes at mac.com Tue Nov 4 21:43:34 2003 From: smilingeyes at mac.com (Ray Bennett) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 21:43:34 -0500 Subject: Develop on Windows or Mac? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Paul. I'm sure you'll get lots of opinions on this one. I've lived on Macs and Unix boxes for years and years. We've developed, over the past year, a product that is cross platform - meaning that it has a market that requires Mac and PC support. Alas, the Mac will likely account for less than 10% of our shipments. I developed for the first several months on a Mac (Powerbook G3/400 with a second head). What I've found to be true is this: * Nearly everything you develop on the Mac that looks pretty darned nice will disappoint you when viewed on Windows (even if you used the Windows emulator to preview things). Windows only has a few good fonts on the screen, and then only at hi-res. The disconnect between what you see and what you print is impossible to understand until you experience it. We Mac weenies just got way to used to getting what we expected. * Some VERY critical functionality is NOT well-behaved on Windows. Specifically, you can't rely on memory management to work the way you'd expect. The inability of Windows (or the rev engine on windows) to perform garbage collection of what has been paged and or swapped will, when you least expect it, crash your built application (and occasionally even the IDE) hard. If you've developed exclusively on a Mac, you're not nearly as likely to experience these crashes (I went happily along for 4 months without ever seeing a crash - I went 20 minutes on a PC before I crashed). If you spend your development time on the Windows machine, you develop a better sense of where the trouble spots are and know to either plan on finding a work around, or thinking differently about how you design something. (aside: from my experience, the trouble spots are printing, cloning, rapidly changing cards or rapidly growing stacks) * Because Mac interfaces "intuit" so much better than PCs (again, this is opinion), you can mistakenly develop a metaphor that is not familiar or intuitive to PC users. If you're developing on the Windows machine, you tend to understand why the user of your application may just say "huh?". This refers, especially, to clicking close boxes and positioning Cancels and OKs and Applys * Printing - how its set up, how its presented, and how it actually works, has a lot of Jekyll and Hyde in it. It is clearly one of those areas that justifies the use of what the Revolution team calls a "profile". I could go on, but I guess I said all of that to say this: I think you should spend most of your _development_ time on the platform on which your users will spend most of their _using_ time. Otherwise, you have a separation from their experience which doesn't help you or them. And touching up interfaces you developed on a PC to look good (they always work) on a Mac is much easier than the converse. God bless Apple. Long live the Revolution. Ray On Tuesday, November 4, 2003, at 07:51 PM, Paul Stary wrote: > I have used Mac since 1984, but have developed some reasonable PC > skills in the last 10 years. I still work on Mac for personal > productivity, but find myself moving lots of my engineering stuff to > PC just because that's the world view. > > Since I am soon to have both a G4 1.25 GHz. (Dual Boot) w/1.5 GB RAM > running OS 9.2.2 and a Pentium 4 2.66 GHz, 533 FSB, 1 GB RAM XP > machines available to me for a massive Revolution development project, > which one should I develop on? > > For instance, is Rev 2.1 any more or less stable on Mac or Windows? > Are features more or less accessible on one platform vs. the other? > Which will machine will run Revolution faster? (I'm guessing the PC as > much as it pains me to say) > > The project will ultimately run on Windows, so isn't there an > advantage in developing on a Windows machine? > > Any input will be greatly appreciated, as I don't want to spend the > extra money for Enterprise for the option when I wind up never running > the development environment on both machines. Does it make sense to > consider buying both Mac and Windows versions of Studio ($598) vs. the > $999 Enterprise if I never plan to develop on other OS's? > > Thanks. > -- > > Paul Stary > Audio-Video Engineering > Voice Mail: (949) 646-8877 > Fax: (949) 515-3640 > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From pixelbird at interisland.net Tue Nov 4 21:53:08 2003 From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 18:53:08 -0800 Subject: Cross Platform Build - my first In-Reply-To: <20031104201100.18691930125@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: Hi Alex, > Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 11:25:56 -0700 > From: Alex Rice > Subject: Re: Cross Platform Build - my first > wondering if the Distribution Builder is an AI or > something which would explain the erratic results. ---------- Huh? Now that's an interesting idea. A bot for a build, eh? ;-) Ken N. From yvescoppe at skynet.be Wed Nov 5 01:57:38 2003 From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (Yves COPPE) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 07:57:38 +0100 Subject: Diff algorithm In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <57836002-0F5D-11D8-B235-003065E14B04@skynet.be> Le mardi, 4 nov 2003, ? 17:56 Europe/Brussels, Bill Vlahos a ?crit : If I understand well what you want, here is a very fast script to compare two flds and return the lines in fld "one" that are not in fld "two" function DiffLines pList1, pList2 repeat for each line tLine in pList1 put 1 into tArray[tLine] end repeat repeat for each line tLine in pList2 if tArray[tLine] < 1 then put 2 into tArray[tLine] put tLine & cr after tRetVal end if end repeat delete char -1 of tRetVal return tRetVal end DiffLines hope that's what you want. Greetings. Yves COPPE yvescoppe at skynet.be From alex at mindlube.com Wed Nov 5 02:08:19 2003 From: alex at mindlube.com (Alex Rice) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 00:08:19 -0700 Subject: Develop on Windows or Mac? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Nov 4, 2003, at 7:43 PM, Ray Bennett wrote: > * Some VERY critical functionality is NOT well-behaved on Windows. > Specifically, you can't rely on memory management to work the way > you'd expect. The inability of Windows (or the rev engine on > windows) to perform garbage collection of what has been paged and or > swapped will, when you least expect it, crash your built application > (and occasionally even the IDE) hard. This sounds like a hell of a bug. I was just looking through your old posts to the list and I don't see anything narrowing it down to garbage collection and memory swapping. Is it in bugzilla and/or have you got help from runrev tracking this down? Alex Rice | Mindlube Software | what a waste of thumbs that are opposable to make machines that are disposable -Ani DiFranco From alex at mindlube.com Wed Nov 5 02:21:49 2003 From: alex at mindlube.com (Alex Rice) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 00:21:49 -0700 Subject: Develop on Windows or Mac? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Nov 4, 2003, at 5:51 PM, Paul Stary wrote: > Which will machine will run Revolution faster? (I'm guessing the PC as > much as it pains me to say) The Rev IDE is fast in general, so both machines are plenty powerful. The only areas where you will see a noticeable speed differences may be startup, find/replace, and distribution builder. > The project will ultimately run on Windows, so isn't there an > advantage in developing on a Windows machine? Yes - ditto what Ray said. > Any input will be greatly appreciated, as I don't want to spend the > extra money for Enterprise for the option when I wind up never running > the development environment on both machines. Does it make sense to > consider buying both Mac and Windows versions of Studio ($598) vs. the > $999 Enterprise if I never plan to develop on other OS's? Seems like you should be using the Windows IDE. The Mac IDEs do have the advantage of being able to build standalones for Mac OS Classic FAT and PPC targets. The Windows IDE can build for Mac OS X but not the Classic Mac targets. Alex Rice | Mindlube Software | what a waste of thumbs that are opposable to make machines that are disposable -Ani DiFranco From malherbg at yahoo.fr Tue Nov 4 08:47:14 2003 From: malherbg at yahoo.fr (Malherbe Gilbert) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 14:47:14 +0100 Subject: are there other tutorials for Revolution? Message-ID: <000e01c3a2da$2ab9dd60$01010a64@Gilbert> Hi, I have to create some applications using databases, files, text controls and others. Are there other tutorials to improve myself? thanks From xbury.cs at clearstream.com Wed Nov 5 04:07:31 2003 From: xbury.cs at clearstream.com (xbury.cs at clearstream.com) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 10:07:31 +0100 Subject: Develop on Windows or Mac? Message-ID: You may also expect font alignment problems and some innevitable pixel offsets between both GUIs... ---------------------=--------------------- Xavier Bury Visit us at http://www.clearstream.com IMPORTANT MESSAGE Internet communications are not secure and therefore Clearstream International does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message. The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. 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Tutorial: 1: create a new icon 2: menu "Icon" > "Info" 3: first tab, choose "Windows (.ico file) 4: edit only the 32x32 4-bits icon, 32x32 1-bit mask, 16x16 4-bits icon and 16x16 1-bit mask. 5: menu "Icon" > "Info", the size should be 792 bytes which is bigger than what Rev is asking but it works ! Weird ?! Hope it's of some kind of help... -- Romain lafourcade http://www.100mo.net/ From lafourcade.romain at numericable.fr Wed Nov 5 05:07:30 2003 From: lafourcade.romain at numericable.fr (Romain Lafourcade) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 11:07:30 +0100 Subject: Making Windows application icons on Mac In-Reply-To: <20031104064944.B0B9F9300F3@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: Oops ! do not edit the 16x16 slots, it's not used by windows ! Hope it's of some kind of help... -- Romain lafourcade http://www.100mo.net/ From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net Wed Nov 5 09:23:13 2003 From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas J McGrath III) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 09:23:13 -0500 Subject: Develop on Windows or Mac? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <96F9B27E-0F9B-11D8-A25A-000A95DA60FA@adelphia.net> On Tuesday, November 4, 2003, at 09:43 PM, Ray Bennett wrote: > Hi Paul. I'm sure you'll get lots of opinions on this one. > > I've lived on Macs and Unix boxes for years and years. We've > developed, over the past year, a product that is cross platform - > meaning AND > I think you should spend most of your _development_ time on the > platform on which your users will spend most of their _using_ time. 2 cents: I have always gone by the philosophy that you should develop on the platform you are most comfortable with unless there are specific and necessary reasons not to. Wether you are developing cross-platform or for just windows you still need to understand your intended output and any issues that will come from it regardless of which you decide to do the developing on. You should know before hand from testing and research if and what problems will affect your project. Then you can weigh the speed gained from developing in your most comfortable environment and the time needed in correcting on the intended platform. If your project is heavy in the problem areas then go for the Win platform if not go for the Mac since you are more comfortable with it. Test early, Test often. Save always. Thomas J McGrath III Advanced Media Group 220 Drake Rd. Bethel Park, PA 15102 3mcgrath at adelphia.net From mike at cyber-ny.com Wed Nov 5 10:17:08 2003 From: mike at cyber-ny.com (Mike Brown) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 10:17:08 -0500 Subject: Develop on Windows or Mac? In-Reply-To: <96F9B27E-0F9B-11D8-A25A-000A95DA60FA@adelphia.net> Message-ID: The Revolution team has done an excellent job of providing a truly cross-platform development tool with very little differences! I have developed Revolution applications on both a Mac G4 and Windows 2000 & XP machines and have not run into any platform related bugs. From my experience, Revolution seems to run equally well on both Mac & Windows machines. I do not detect a performance difference or advantage relating to the software. Because I am more comfortable working from Mac OS X, I tend to do 90% of development from the Mac, BUT when it comes time to distribute to a Windows market, I always have to load my Rev Stack onto a Windows PC and do cosmetic changes because the final stack or standalone does not display the same on both operating systems. Text fields, labels and other elements such as buttons will shift position so alignment is off. Also, background colors that appear white or transparent from the Mac can display with a shaded color on Windows until you go to the color palette and assign a color. If you are building apps for a Windows audience and want to avoid this extra step, you may choose to develop directly from Windows. I choose to develop on a Mac because I like all of the other Mac friendly design tools that I use for the interface elements and I prefer the Mac OS X environment... So for me, it is worth the extra steps at the end of the project to clean up alignments from a Windows computer or using a Windows computer as a visual reference. Best, Mike Mike Brown Cyber-NY Interactive www.cyber-ny.com From harrison at all-auctions.com Wed Nov 5 10:32:33 2003 From: harrison at all-auctions.com (Rick Harrison) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 10:32:33 -0500 Subject: Develop on Windows or Mac? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <466B9A79-0FA5-11D8-96A6-000393C10758@all-auctions.com> On Nov 4, 2003, at 7:51 PM, Paul Stary wrote: > I have used Mac since 1984, but have developed some reasonable PC > skills in the last 10 years. I still work on Mac for personal > productivity, but find myself moving lots of my engineering stuff to > PC just because that's the world view. > > Since I am soon to have both a G4 1.25 GHz. (Dual Boot) w/1.5 GB RAM > running OS 9.2.2 and a Pentium 4 2.66 GHz, 533 FSB, 1 GB RAM XP > machines available to me for a massive Revolution development project, > which one should I develop on? > ... > > Thanks. > > Paul Stary > Paul, I've developed projects for both machines. You will be more productive, and faster on the Mac than in the Windows environment - fewer quirks, crashes, etc. Then move your project over to the Windows environment to work out the bugs there for that operating system. That's my 2 cents. Good luck! Rick Harrison From paul at starytech.com Wed Nov 5 11:09:43 2003 From: paul at starytech.com (Paul Stary) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 08:09:43 -0800 Subject: Develop on Windows or Mac? In-Reply-To: <466B9A79-0FA5-11D8-96A6-000393C10758@all-auctions.com> References: <466B9A79-0FA5-11D8-96A6-000393C10758@all-auctions.com> Message-ID: Thank you all for your insights into this topic. I found it all very useful and have made the decision to stay with the Mac for the majority of the development, incrementally checking my stacks on the PC. This means eventually purchasing two version of Studio. When nearing completion, I will switch to the PC to adjust and test final font, appearance, and operational issues. Then build on the PC. This makes perfect sense to me now. Staying with the Mac will enable me to deal with the large graphic content in an environment I am comfortable with and will minimize the development pain. Having the PC to incrementally evaluate my progress will save lots of time on the back end. Thanks again! -- Paul Stary Audio-Video Engineering Voice Mail: (949) 646-8877 Fax: (949) 515-3640 From paul at starytech.com Wed Nov 5 11:20:55 2003 From: paul at starytech.com (Paul Stary) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 08:20:55 -0800 Subject: Making Windows application icons on Mac In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Romain, I have just tried Iconographer and it looks awesome! Thanks. This is exactly the solution I needed. At 11:03 AM +0100 11/5/03, Romain Lafourcade wrote: > >Iconographer is the best Icon creation tool (for Mac at least) available. >The IconBuilder Photoshop plugin is very buggy and needs a lot of tweaking. >You can get Iconographer there : http://www.mscape.com/ ... > -- Paul Stary Audio-Video Engineering Voice Mail: (949) 646-8877 Fax: (949) 515-3640 From Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com Wed Nov 5 11:17:51 2003 From: Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com (Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 11:17:51 -0500 Subject: Develop on Windows or Mac? Message-ID: > Paul, > > I've developed projects for both machines. You will be more > productive, and faster on the Mac than > in the Windows environment - fewer quirks, crashes, etc. Then move > your project over to the Windows > environment to work out the bugs there for that operating system. > > That's my 2 cents. > > Good luck! > > Rick Harrison More productive, and faster? I work in a mixed environment of PC's and Mac's, and that is not the situation here at all. On OS X, put about 10,000 files of any kind into a folder (write a repeat loop to create them as a test), then open the folder in the finder. Put a stop-watch on that pretty colorful spinning ball. Do the same on a Windows PC... the folder will open with all files listed in about 2 seconds. Another - Rev specific speed test. Write a repeat loop to create about 200 Rev objects on a card. Distribute them all over the card. Make it a mix of buttons and fields, and a few imported small gif files. Now, using the selection tool, select all of the elements by dragging around them. How long does it take for the selections to catch-up with what you selected. Do the same on a PC. OK... Any Questions? Roger Eller roger.e.eller at sealedair.com From rxfeldman at comcast.net Wed Nov 5 11:45:17 2003 From: rxfeldman at comcast.net (Russell) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 11:45:17 -0500 Subject: Can cards in a stack be of different sizes Message-ID: <00d801c3a3bc$3187ac20$6501a8c0@S0031724895> Oh Im sorry Ken I didn't realize youi ment this in reference to: : > How can an application be constrained to one 5x8 or whatever size window. ? But the above is only one line of a larger paragraph and in that context it was saying "How can a developer work an application with numerous different size windows in an environment that restricks windows to "5x8 or whatever size window" I was not asking how to restrict a stack "to one 5x8 or whatever size window" Boy these one liners will get you every time..lol The following had me scratching my head when applying it to what I was saying. ---------- set resizeable of stack x to false HTH, Ken N. ------------------------------ But From chipp at chipp.com Wed Nov 5 12:07:45 2003 From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 11:07:45 -0600 Subject: Develop on Windows or Mac? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: A very interesting thread topic. I develop on Windows for Windows. I've tried developing on a Mac and things just didn't seem to work as well, though in fairness to RR, I was using 1.1.1 at the time on a System 9 machine. It crashed much more than Windows. Ray mentions garbage collection and crashing alot on Windows. Hmmm. I've developed quite a few projects the last few years. One of them an Enterprise Content Management System - no crashes here. Though in fairness to Ray, I seldom ever store large amounts of data 'in the stack'. I use stacks as application interfaces, not data containers-- a lesson I learned a long time ago with SuperCard. I rarely have more than two cards per stack. The first with interfaces and groups which hide and show if necessary. The second with all the images used as icons for buttons on the first. If I need to store data I'll either store it: 1) on a server; 2) separate small stacks; 3) images and XML. The big differences IMHO between the two platforms are: 1) Look and Feel; 2) OS specific components and; 3) Performance. Look and Feel - I've built my own tools (www.buttongadget.com) to modify the look and feel of RR to create cross-platform GUI's. I'd recommend also changing the textfont of the stack to Tahoma. I like using Tahoma 11 for a lot of the text. If you're building Apps, good interface choices are smart on BOTH platforms. I've seen bad looking interfaces on both. OS specific components - On Windows, it's good advice to store stacks you download or write to in specialFolderPath(35) because they have permission to do so there, but may not have permission to do so in the Program Files folder. Also, you may also wish to have icons for your application document files which, when double-clicked, launch the application. You'll need to edit the Windows registry for this. Ditto for registration codes and setting mime types for launching from a browser. Also, you don't need the creator code for Windows, just a file extension for your ask/answer file dialog boxes. I'm sure there are many more, but these are the differences which come to mind. Performance - I've created apps which use math and run fine on Windows, but too slow on Macs. Something to be aware of as you continue to develop on the Mac for the PC. Early on at Human Code, we tried developing on Macs and publishing on PCs. Just too many 'gotchas.' By working day in and day out on the PC, you get the 'feel' of the app on the OS and discover subtle areas which need tweaking. This doubles as a good testing platform. While starting out on the Mac may work, I'm betting you end up switching to PC somewhere early in the process. -Chipp From harrison at all-auctions.com Wed Nov 5 12:12:47 2003 From: harrison at all-auctions.com (Rick Harrison) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 12:12:47 -0500 Subject: Develop on Windows or Mac? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <475A7962-0FB3-11D8-96A6-000393C10758@all-auctions.com> >> > > More productive, and faster? I work in a mixed environment of PC's and > Mac's, and that is not the situation here at all. On OS X, put about > 10,000 files of any kind into a folder (write a repeat loop to create > them > as a test), then open the folder in the finder. Put a stop-watch on > that > pretty colorful spinning ball. Do the same on a Windows PC... the > folder > will open with all files listed in about 2 seconds. > > Another - Rev specific speed test. Write a repeat loop to create about > 200 > Rev objects on a card. Distribute them all over the card. Make it a > mix of > buttons and fields, and a few imported small gif files. Now, using the > selection tool, select all of the elements by dragging around them. How > long does it take for the selections to catch-up with what you > selected. > Do the same on a PC. OK... Any Questions? > > Roger Eller > Roger, Are you using Panther yet? If not, what version of OS X are you using? Rick From alex at mindlube.com Wed Nov 5 12:33:05 2003 From: alex at mindlube.com (Alex Rice) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 10:33:05 -0700 Subject: Develop on Windows or Mac? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1CEDE660-0FB6-11D8-8430-000393C4760A@mindlube.com> On Nov 5, 2003, at 9:17 AM, Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com wrote: > More productive, and faster? Oh come on. Step acting incredulous that someone's manner of productivity can be different. I'm way, way, way! more productive on OS X than on my Windows 2000 machine. There are many aspects to productivity. For your line of work, you are faster in Windows, and that's fine for you. For a 3 year old OS, Mac OS X *kicks butt*. Especially 10.3. For a long time I used a G4/350 and G/466 with Mac OS X instead of a Pentium 600 with Windows 2000 that was right there on my desktop. The Windows machine was faster for certain tasks, but overall that wasn't the biggest factor in my productivity. A lot of advances are coming from Apple. Rendezvous, Expose, XCode, Darwin, and promoting open-source utilities like Apache, Samba, SSH, and X Windows. Microsoft is touting all this Aero-rendering-compositing-display system they are releasing in Longhorn in 2005. Well guess what? OS X has that _today_. > I work in a mixed environment of PC's and > Mac's, and that is not the situation here at all. On OS X, put about > 10,000 files of any kind into a folder (write a repeat loop to create > them > as a test), then open the folder in the finder. Put a stop-watch on > that > pretty colorful spinning ball. Do the same on a Windows PC... the > folder > will open with all files listed in about 2 seconds. Yes, the Mac OS Finder truly was slow from 10.2 - 10.2.8. In 10.3 it's totally rewritten and is much faster. Nonetheless the old finder never did cause me major grief. But I don't often have 10,000 files in a folder. If I ever did, I would probably drop to the Unix shell, which Windows does not have thank-you-very-much, and use a command like mv, cp, ditto, etc. > Another - Rev specific speed test. Write a repeat loop to create about > 200 > Rev objects on a card. Distribute them all over the card. Make it a > mix of > buttons and fields, and a few imported small gif files. Now, using the > selection tool, select all of the elements by dragging around them. How > long does it take for the selections to catch-up with what you > selected. > Do the same on a PC. OK... Any Questions? Were you running the Rev look and feel: OS X appearance manager for this test? I usually run Rev in Mac OS emulated L&f, because it is faster. If you were in appearance manager l&f, you were dragging 200 Aqua eye-candy gum drops being rendered by the OS. Appearance Manager has the luxury of handing off rendering to the OS to get it's widgets drawn. On a G3 or an older G4, without a graphics card supporting Quartz Extreme, that's going to be slow. On a G4 you'll benefit from Altivec. With a newer graphics card, it's faster still because it will use the OpenGL hardware on your card. The basic rule of thumb is: to make OS X fast, you can't just run some old low-end iMac or powerbook. You need throw $ at the problem and give it > 500MB RAM and a new graphics card that supports Quartz Extreme. BTW wonder how a G5 would do in your tests? The world's third largest supercomputer is now the G5 cluster (off-the-shelf G5s bought from the Apple store) at the University of Virginia Alex Rice | Mindlube Software | what a waste of thumbs that are opposable to make machines that are disposable -Ani DiFranco From scott at tactilemedia.com Wed Nov 5 12:43:10 2003 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 09:43:10 -0800 Subject: Develop on Windows or Mac? In-Reply-To: <1CEDE660-0FB6-11D8-8430-000393C4760A@mindlube.com> Message-ID: On 11/5/03 9:33 AM, "Alex Rice" wrote: > someone's manner of productivity can be different. Excellent point. So let's not start a "my is better than your " thread. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design ----- E: scott at tactilemedia.com W: http://www.tactilemedia.com From alex at mindlube.com Wed Nov 5 12:45:00 2003 From: alex at mindlube.com (Alex Rice) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 10:45:00 -0700 Subject: Develop on Windows or Mac? In-Reply-To: <1CEDE660-0FB6-11D8-8430-000393C4760A@mindlube.com> References: <1CEDE660-0FB6-11D8-8430-000393C4760A@mindlube.com> Message-ID: On Nov 5, 2003, at 10:33 AM, Alex Rice wrote: > Yes, the Mac OS Finder truly was slow from 10.2 - 10.2.8. Oops, obviously Finder sucked from 10.0 public beta -> 10.2.8, although did get better along the way before being rewritten for 10.3 Alex Rice | Mindlube Software | what a waste of thumbs that are opposable to make machines that are disposable -Ani DiFranco From alex at mindlube.com Wed Nov 5 12:49:13 2003 From: alex at mindlube.com (Alex Rice) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 10:49:13 -0700 Subject: Develop on Windows or Mac? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5E043AB6-0FB8-11D8-8430-000393C4760A@mindlube.com> On Nov 5, 2003, at 10:43 AM, Scott Rossi wrote: > On 11/5/03 9:33 AM, "Alex Rice" wrote: > >> someone's manner of productivity can be different. > > Excellent point. So let's not start a "my is > better than > your " thread. Yeah! I was getting a little defensive in my response and I apologize, all. Alex Rice | Mindlube Software | what a waste of thumbs that are opposable to make machines that are disposable -Ani DiFranco From Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com Wed Nov 5 12:51:30 2003 From: Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com (Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 12:51:30 -0500 Subject: Develop on Windows or Mac? Message-ID: > On Nov 5, 2003, at 10:43 AM, Scott Rossi wrote: > >> On 11/5/03 9:33 AM, "Alex Rice" wrote: >> >>> someone's manner of productivity can be different. >> >> Excellent point. So let's not start a "my is >> better than >> your " thread. > > Yeah! I was getting a little defensive in my response and I apologize, > all. > > > Alex Rice | Mindlube Software | > Alex, My computer is better than yours. ;-) ~Roger P.S. In 1986 I was a proud Amiga owner. I know exactly how you feel. From mcdomi at free.fr Wed Nov 5 13:25:59 2003 From: mcdomi at free.fr (Dom) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 19:25:59 +0100 Subject: [OT] Rev on Linux PPC - Would you use it? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1g3yr38.6c4qyr11z3sg0M%mcdomi@free.fr> Judy Perry wrote: > Thanks With a ratio signal/noise = 1/113 ;-> -- Digital photos (nature, garden) : http://cooldomi.free.fr/ Scripting : http://domiscript.free.fr/ From rgould8 at aol.com Wed Nov 5 14:08:13 2003 From: rgould8 at aol.com (Rob Gould) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 14:08:13 -0500 Subject: OT: Panther and Sorenson3 Message-ID: <3FA94A9D.7080506@aol.com> Has anyone who's upgraded to Mac OS Panther had any difficulty with Sorenson3 no longer showing up as a compression option in Quicktime Pro or Cleaner? I just downloaded the patch from www.sorenson.com to Sorenson 3.3, but that doesn't seem to help. Curious if anyone else is having this problem. From pixelbird at interisland.net Wed Nov 5 14:33:57 2003 From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 11:33:57 -0800 Subject: Can cards in a stack be of different sizes In-Reply-To: <20031105170004.B93A3930089@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: > Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 11:45:17 -0500 > From: "Russell" > Subject: Re: Can cards in a stack be of different sizes > > Oh Im sorry Ken I didn't realize youi ment this in reference to: > : >> How can an application be constrained to one 5x8 or whatever size window. ? ----------- Well, I was replying specifically to a specific question. Here it is exactly as I posted it (note: it included the specific question, so you must've known what I was replying to): >> How can an application be constrained to one 5x8 or whatever size window. ? > ---------- > set resizeable of stack x to false I thought one of the things you were trying to do was prevent the user from resizing the stack window. ----------- > But the above is only one line of a larger paragraph and in that context it > was saying "How can a developer work an application with numerous different > size windows in an environment that restricks windows to "5x8 or whatever size > window" ----------- OK, I'm trying to help, but I guess I still don't understand the question. I think that's why it got so convoluted (there was all kinds of different stuff on that thread, splash windows, etc., and, worse than that, somehow the same issue was being addressed in another relatively unrelated thread [Making Windows application icons on Mac], a mistake I've made myself). I read the question, as stated above, like this: "How can you have different sized windows in an environment where you CAN'T have different sized windows (because they're constrained to a specific size)." It makes no sense to me. Let me try to get at what you really want. 1) There can be no such thing as a 5x8 window. I suppose you mean 5 inches x 8 inches or something, but in Rev and virtually all other IDEs, AFAIK, window rects are sized by width and height in pixels, or by rectangle coordinates measured in pixels from the left and top of the screen. Only image manipulation software like PhotoShop will give you a choice to measure an image (never a window) in inches or centimeters. Even PS doesn't really know what the dimensions of your monitor (in inches) is (pixel sizes vary on different size monitors at the same resolution), so those choices are meant to refer to print sizes. So I hope we have that gremlin out of the way. 2) As a general rule, card dimensions follow stack window dimensions. AFAIK, you can't have a card smaller than the stack window. It can be larger than the stack window, but you can only set it with the vScroll, which can affect the menubar. IOW, setting the card width or height separately from dealing with the window size (stack)has no effect. 3) You can set the backSize for compatibility with SuperCard. 4) If you mean that the window size is restricted to a MAXIMUM of, say, 512 x 360 pixels, and you want to have varying size windows up to that maximum size, then put the following in a stack script, click in the card area, and watch what happens, just to give an example: on preOpenCard put random(512) into tWidth ## 512 is max width if tWidth <32 then put 32 into tWidth ## 32 is min width put random(360) into tHeight ## 360 is max height if tHeight <32 then put 32 into tHeight ## 32 is min height set the width of stack "WindowSizes" to tWidth set the height of stack "WindowSizes" to tHeight end preOpenCard on mouseUp go next card end mouseUp ---------- > I was not asking how to restrict a stack "to one 5x8 or whatever size window" > > Boy these one liners will get you every time..lol > The following had me scratching my head when applying it to what I was saying. > > ---------- > set resizeable of stack x to false ----------- As I mentioned at the beginning, I did not leave that all by itself, but included the question with it in the reply, specifically so that wouldn't happen. I don't see how there can be a mistake what I was replying to in the post, but I do see how convoluted and confusing the thread is. HTH, Ken N. From pixelbird at interisland.net Wed Nov 5 15:08:56 2003 From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 12:08:56 -0800 Subject: How to impolement min/max functions In-Reply-To: <20031105170004.B93A3930089@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: Howdy, In HC we could constrain proportions (for example) by specifying max and min numbers in a comma delimited list. How would we do this in Transcript (no max/min functions)? TIA, Ken N. From scott at tactilemedia.com Wed Nov 5 15:12:47 2003 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 12:12:47 -0800 Subject: How to impolement min/max functions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Recently, "Ken Norris" wrote: > In HC we could constrain proportions (for example) by specifying max and min > numbers in a comma delimited list. > > How would we do this in Transcript (no max/min functions)? AFAIK, you constrain the same way in Rev. Why do you want to do this without max/min functions? Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design ----- E: scott at tactilemedia.com W: http://www.tactilemedia.com From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu Wed Nov 5 15:49:44 2003 From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 12:49:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: Losing the amateur In-Reply-To: <20031104223638.34181.qmail@web40503.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Can't wait to see that one... Judy On Tue, 4 Nov 2003, Alejandro Tejada wrote: > Scott wrote in his pages that they were going to > publish another course using a RPG game to teach > more advanced concepts of Programming. From capellan2000 at yahoo.com Wed Nov 5 15:53:09 2003 From: capellan2000 at yahoo.com (Alejandro Tejada) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 12:53:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: Who owns the elements of the interface? In-Reply-To: <20031105200753.CF17C930071@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <20031105205309.20355.qmail@web40505.mail.yahoo.com> Recently, I become aware of the dispute of the tabbed interface between Adobe and Macromedia. Before, I learned that Apple is the legal owner of the Aqua look... My questions is: Who owns the elements of the interface? buttons, menus, hypertext, visual effects transitions, scroll fields, checkboxes, etc... Do they have owners too? Al ===== Visit my site: http://www.geocities.com/capellan2000/ Search the mail list: http://mindlube.com/cgi-bin/search-use-rev.cgi __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From jbv.silences at Club-Internet.fr Wed Nov 5 16:22:48 2003 From: jbv.silences at Club-Internet.fr (jbv) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 22:22:48 +0100 Subject: Who owns the elements of the interface? References: <20031105205309.20355.qmail@web40505.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3FA96A28.51D6F525@Club-Internet.fr> Alejandro, > Recently, I become aware of the > dispute of the tabbed interface > between Adobe and Macromedia. > > Before, I learned that Apple is the > legal owner of the Aqua look... > > My questions is: > > Who owns the elements of the interface? > > buttons, menus, hypertext, visual effects > transitions, scroll fields, checkboxes, etc... > > Do they have owners too? > I remember something about the trial in "look and feel" between Apple and Micro$oft in the 80's when Windows was released : it seems that Rank Xerox had been stated as the 1st inventor of all these elements, and that the dispute was pointless... But does that mean they are the owner ? Or is it in public domain already ? Or is this remark completly OT ? JB From sarahr at genesearch.com.au Wed Nov 5 17:07:19 2003 From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 08:07:19 +1000 Subject: Develop on Windows or Mac? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <6CA5C0C9-0FDC-11D8-B884-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au> Hi Paul, I develop entirely using Mac OS X, but mostly FOR Macs (OS X & OS 9). I have built a couple of apps for Windows and apart from the look & feel which you just have to check on a Windows machine, the only problem I have had was due to using Mac-only characters in scripts. For me, this was primarily the not-equals sign (option-equals on a Mac keyboard), but less-than-or-equal-to and greater-than-or-equal-to (option < and option >) will also fail when running under Windows. I am now trying to re-train myself to use the longer versions as a built app gives no error messages and it can be very puzzling to work out why a script just totally fails to run. As regards the type of license you should get, I would recommend one Studio and one Enterprise. Then you can develop on both platforms but do the final build using Studio on your main platform, so avoiding the "Made with Revolution" message on shutdown. Cheers, Sarah sarahr at genesearch.com.au http://www.troz.net/Rev/ From sarahr at genesearch.com.au Wed Nov 5 17:08:53 2003 From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 08:08:53 +1000 Subject: How to impolement min/max functions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: According to my copy of the Transcript Dictionary, there are max & min functions :-) They return the max or min of a comma-delimited list, just the same as the HyperCard equivalent. Cheers, Sarah sarahr at genesearch.com.au http://www.troz.net/Rev/ On Thursday, November 6, 2003, at 06:09 am, Ken Norris wrote: > Howdy, > > In HC we could constrain proportions (for example) by specifying max > and min > numbers in a comma delimited list. > > How would we do this in Transcript (no max/min functions)? > > TIA, > Ken N. From JonathanC at ag.nsw.gov.au Wed Nov 5 18:57:36 2003 From: JonathanC at ag.nsw.gov.au (JonathanC at ag.nsw.gov.au) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 10:57:36 +1100 Subject: Converting times Message-ID: [Firstly, thanks Sarah for your answers about plugins and modes etc. ("Re: Pointer tool not working"). My Launcher stack was set to open at startup as a palette, not a modeless window. It's starting to make sense.] Anyway, I've got another question now: I have written a stack that converts a user-entered time to seconds (to test that it's a valid time) then back to short time (to standardise it). It works fine in HyperCard, but in Revolution, it adds an hour! I tried this is the multi-line message box: ask "Enter a time:" with "8:17 am" convert it to secs convert it to short time answer it ... and the result was "9:17 am" Then I tried this: ask "Enter a time:" with "8:17 am" convert it to dateItems convert it to short time answer it ... and the result was "10:17 am"! Finally I tried this: ask "Enter a time:" with "8:17 am" convert it to dateItems answer it ... and the result was "2003,11,6,9,17,0,5" (i.e. 9:17 am )!! What's going on here? Jonathan Cooper Manager of Information / Website Art Gallery of New South Wales Sydney, Australia http://www.artgallery.nsw.gov.au This e-mail message is intended only for the addressee(s) and contains information which may be confidential. If you are not the intended recipient please advise the sender by return email, do not use or disclose the contents, and delete the message and any attachments from your system. Unless specifically indicated, this email does not constitute formal advice or commitment by the sender or the Art Gallery of NSW (ABN 24 934 492 575) or its related entities. From Tom.Cole at asu.edu Wed Nov 5 18:47:33 2003 From: Tom.Cole at asu.edu (Thomas Cole) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 16:47:33 -0700 Subject: Develop on Windows or Mac Message-ID: <3996AE5EBEF964418D80953BDCABFF5606AB1E75@ex1.asurite.ad.asu.edu> I'm working on my first big project with Revolution and I'm using OSX to develop in. I want the software to run on any mac and any windows machine. It's working surprisingly well. Revolution is a great piece of software. My experience so far -- as limited as it is -- is different from what I am reading here. I have found that the Mac classic standalones need much more tweaking than the PC ones. Fields are too small mostly -- or the fonts get too big or whatever. I'm surprised at this because coming from HyperCard I remember how perfectly the stacks would run on any Mac with no field size problems of any kind. Yet the PC standalones are more faithful to the OSX development view with regard to font size -- although the fonts are spidery sometimes and not as nice as on a Mac. Any tips for keeping things the same on all platforms? I'm rather a neophyte and I don't even know which standalone for Mac to distribute or what the difference is: Fat. PPC. or 68. (I'll certainly want to distribute the OSX version.) If someone could set me straight on this, I'd be grateful. TOM From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Wed Nov 5 19:04:56 2003 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 18:04:56 -0600 Subject: Converting times In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3FA99028.2090209@hyperactivesw.com> On 11/5/03 5:57 PM, JonathanC at ag.nsw.gov.au wrote: > [Firstly, thanks Sarah for your answers about > plugins and modes etc. ("Re: Pointer tool not working"). My Launcher stack > was set to open at startup as a palette, not a modeless window. It's > starting to make sense.] > > Anyway, I've got another question now: > > I have written a stack that converts a user-entered time to seconds (to > test that it's a valid time) then back to short time (to standardise it). > It works fine in HyperCard, but in Revolution, it adds an hour! > > I tried this is the multi-line message box: > > ask "Enter a time:" with "8:17 am" > convert it to secs > convert it to short time > answer it > > ... and the result was "9:17 am" > > Then I tried this: > > ask "Enter a time:" with "8:17 am" > convert it to dateItems > convert it to short time > answer it > > ... and the result was "10:17 am"! > > Finally I tried this: > > ask "Enter a time:" with "8:17 am" > convert it to dateItems > answer it > > ... and the result was "2003,11,6,9,17,0,5" (i.e. 9:17 am )!! > > What's going on here? Do your scripts have anything in them besides what you posted? I just tried all three examples and correctly got "8:17 AM" each time. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From livfoss at blueyonder.co.uk Wed Nov 5 19:21:24 2003 From: livfoss at blueyonder.co.uk (Graham Samuel) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 00:21:24 +0000 Subject: using Distribution Builder's "Save Distribution As..." option Message-ID: On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 12:16:21 -0700, Alex Rice wrote: > >Who is using the DB "Save Distribution As..." option? How do you deal >with Revolution upgrades? Just toss all of your saved distribution >builder stacks and start over? Keep using the old distribution builder >stacks? > >It seems like distribution builder uses the old xtalk style of design >where the script, settings, and GUI are all thrown together as one >inseparable unit. It takes a "what me worry?" attitude towards >maintenance and upgrades. Something I want to try to avoid in my Rev >development. I've already had a grumble about the DB on this list, which does indeed seem thrown together to me - it has many rough edges. The one I hate most is that DB 'files' (they are really just versions of the DB stack AFAIKS) are not cross-platform, because they store paths in some platform-dependent way. I think the whole thing needs tidying up and this tidy-up should include the introduction of actual DB files (probably text files, why not?) which are independent of the particular version of the DB that produced them... but where does all this fit into the priority list of the RunRev team? Not that high, I would suggest, because the DB works just well enough. Graham -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Graham Samuel / The Living Fossil Co. / UK & France From alrice at arcplanning.com Wed Nov 5 19:23:01 2003 From: alrice at arcplanning.com (Alex Rice) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 17:23:01 -0700 Subject: Develop on Windows or Mac In-Reply-To: <3996AE5EBEF964418D80953BDCABFF5606AB1E75@ex1.asurite.ad.asu.edu> References: <3996AE5EBEF964418D80953BDCABFF5606AB1E75@ex1.asurite.ad.asu.edu> Message-ID: <619E1483-0FEF-11D8-8430-000393C4760A@arcplanning.com> On Nov 5, 2003, at 4:47 PM, Thomas Cole wrote: > I'm rather a neophyte and I don't even know which standalone for Mac > to distribute or what the difference is: Fat. PPC. or 68. (I'll > certainly want to distribute the OSX version.) If someone could set me > straight on this, I'd be grateful. That is weird the Windows builds look better than your Mac builds :-) The 68K vs. PPC refers to the Mac CPU architectures. See 68K is older Macs, and PPC is newer Macs. FAT is an application file that has both the 68K and PPC code in it. It will be bigger, but run on more Macs. So you can either have 1 larger app with FAT, or two smaller apps with 68K and PPC. On thing I'm not sure about: must the OS X build be separate, because it has a whole new binary format? Or is the PPC build "Carbonized" so it can run on OS X and Mac OS? Alex Rice, Software Developer Architectural Research Consultants, Inc. From alex at mindlube.com Wed Nov 5 19:49:12 2003 From: alex at mindlube.com (Alex Rice) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 17:49:12 -0700 Subject: using Distribution Builder's "Save Distribution As..." option In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <09DD5338-0FF3-11D8-8430-000393C4760A@mindlube.com> On Nov 5, 2003, at 5:21 PM, Graham Samuel wrote: > I've already had a grumble about the DB on this list, which does > indeed seem thrown together to me - it has many rough edges. The one I > hate most is that DB 'files' (they are really just versions of the DB > stack AFAIKS) are not cross-platform, because they store paths in some > platform-dependent way. I think the whole thing needs tidying up and > this tidy-up should include the introduction of actual DB files > (probably text files, why not?) which are independent of the > particular version of the DB that produced them... but where does all > this fit into the priority list of the RunRev team? Not that high, I > would suggest, because the DB works just well enough. I just noticed that this is in bugzilla #617 as a enhancement request. This is one of those things that's either a bug, or an enhancement request, depending if you are an engineer or a user. I suppose first one has to believe that usability issues can be bugs. I believe they can be. There have been 10 enhancement requests and 29 bugs filed on Distribution Builder. Of the enhancements, 5 are LATER/postponed. 1 is FIXED. 2 WONT. 2 TBD. Alex Rice | Mindlube Software | what a waste of thumbs that are opposable to make machines that are disposable -Ani DiFranco From JonathanC at ag.nsw.gov.au Wed Nov 5 20:36:48 2003 From: JonathanC at ag.nsw.gov.au (JonathanC at ag.nsw.gov.au) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 12:36:48 +1100 Subject: Converting times In-Reply-To: <20031106002155.C044E93007E@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: I wrote: > I tried this is the multi-line message box: > > ask "Enter a time:" with "8:17 am" > convert it to secs > convert it to short time > answer it > > ... and the result was "9:17 am" > > [snip] > > What's going on here? "J. Landman Gay" replied: > Do your scripts have anything in them besides what you posted? I just > tried all three examples and correctly got "8:17 AM" each time. Nope, exactly as written - in the message box. I tried restarting my Mac and doing it again - still the same. I even tried it on a Windows PC - still the same. Details: Mac PowerBook G4 Titanium, OS X 10.2.8, Rev 2.1, International time region: Australia (12-hour clock) PC Compaq DeskPro, Windows 2000, Rev 2.1, Regional time settings: "h:mm:ss tt" Currently on daylight saving time (getting desperate to find an explanation! :-) ) Regards, Jonathan Cooper Manager of Information / Website Art Gallery of New South Wales Sydney, Australia http://www.artgallery.nsw.gov.au This e-mail message is intended only for the addressee(s) and contains information which may be confidential. If you are not the intended recipient please advise the sender by return email, do not use or disclose the contents, and delete the message and any attachments from your system. Unless specifically indicated, this email does not constitute formal advice or commitment by the sender or the Art Gallery of NSW (ABN 24 934 492 575) or its related entities. From sarahr at genesearch.com.au Wed Nov 5 21:04:30 2003 From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 12:04:30 +1000 Subject: Converting times In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <8EB857B2-0FFD-11D8-B884-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au> Hi Jonathon, I get the correct answers using OS X 10.2.8 and set to Australian time BUT I am in Queensland so I'm not on daylight saving. I wonder is that a factor. Could you try converting to "the internet date"? Using your 8:17 am example, I get: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 08:17:00 +1000 Another test you could try is to insert a line saying "set the useSystemDate to true" I never found that this was necessary for times, only for dates, but it might provide a clue as to what is happening. Cheers, Sarah On Thursday, November 6, 2003, at 11:36 am, JonathanC at ag.nsw.gov.au wrote: > I wrote: >> I tried this is the multi-line message box: >> >> ask "Enter a time:" with "8:17 am" >> convert it to secs >> convert it to short time >> answer it >> >> ... and the result was "9:17 am" >> >> [snip] >> >> What's going on here? > > "J. Landman Gay" replied: >> Do your scripts have anything in them besides what you posted? I just >> tried all three examples and correctly got "8:17 AM" each time. > > Nope, exactly as written - in the message box. > > I tried restarting my Mac and doing it again - still the same. > I even tried it on a Windows PC - still the same. > > Details: > Mac PowerBook G4 Titanium, OS X 10.2.8, Rev 2.1, International time > region: Australia (12-hour clock) > PC Compaq DeskPro, Windows 2000, Rev 2.1, Regional time settings: > "h:mm:ss > tt" > Currently on daylight saving time (getting desperate to find an > explanation! :-) ) > > Regards, > > Jonathan Cooper > Manager of Information / Website > Art Gallery of New South Wales > Sydney, Australia > http://www.artgallery.nsw.gov.au > > This e-mail message is intended only for the addressee(s) and contains > information which may be confidential. If you are not the intended > recipient please advise the sender by return email, do not use or > disclose > the contents, and delete the message and any attachments from your > system. > Unless specifically indicated, this email does not constitute formal > advice or commitment by the sender or the Art Gallery of NSW (ABN 24 > 934 > 492 575) or its related entities. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > From monte at sweattechnologies.com Wed Nov 5 21:16:10 2003 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 12:46:10 +1030 Subject: Converting times In-Reply-To: <8EB857B2-0FFD-11D8-B884-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au> Message-ID: > I get the correct answers using OS X 10.2.8 and set to Australian time > BUT I am in Queensland so I'm not on daylight saving. I wonder is that > a factor. Could you try converting to "the internet date"? Using your > 8:17 am example, I get: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 08:17:00 +1000 Hmmm... I'm in Adelaide and i get the problem so perhaps it is daylight saving??? Monte From rxfeldman at comcast.net Wed Nov 5 21:44:23 2003 From: rxfeldman at comcast.net (Russell) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 21:44:23 -0500 Subject: Can cards in a stack be of different sizes Message-ID: <002101c3a40f$e3753580$6501a8c0@S0031724895> DROP DEAD!!!! From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Wed Nov 5 21:44:56 2003 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 20:44:56 -0600 Subject: Converting times In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3FA9B5A8.8010003@hyperactivesw.com> On 11/5/03 7:36 PM, JonathanC at ag.nsw.gov.au wrote: > Currently on daylight saving time (getting desperate to find an > explanation! :-) ) What happens if you add the "system" keyword, like this: convert it to system time or: convert it to system dateitems -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From capellan2000 at yahoo.com Wed Nov 5 21:48:22 2003 From: capellan2000 at yahoo.com (Alejandro Tejada) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 18:48:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: Animation with Sliding or Walking figures Message-ID: <20031106024822.10455.qmail@web40506.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Revolutionaries, I uploaded a file to my website, that shows an animated walking figure. I'm trying to simulate that this figure is moving on the space, but my best results just shows a sliding effect. If you could help with a solution, download the file: http://www.geocities.com/capellan2000/walkingMan.zip These figures come from the site: www.vbexplorer.com I wrote them about using these figure and they respond: The Character Pack was created by Hermann Hillmann for vbexplorer back in 1999 I believe. Feel free to use it. A simple acknowledgement of the source in your credits would be appreciated. Best of luck with your experiments. Regards, Burt ===== Visit my site: http://www.geocities.com/capellan2000/ Search the mail list: http://mindlube.com/cgi-bin/search-use-rev.cgi __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net Wed Nov 5 21:56:54 2003 From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas J McGrath III) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 21:56:54 -0500 Subject: Who owns the elements of the interface? In-Reply-To: <3FA96A28.51D6F525@Club-Internet.fr> Message-ID: I for one used to work for Xerox many years ago and they indeed did invent some of the early GUI aspects, but the world was different back then. They did not realize what it was they had done. They just wanted to make money using the interface in anyway they could. I then went to work for Genigraphics and they 'stole' as many interface elements as they could. Xerox did not mind except for what we were doing with them and not that we had them. Then Apple came along and made the GUI make sense and turned it into an 'easy to use for the user' interface. Apple took it the furthest. For years Microsoft would wait to see what Apple was doing and then just take it. They all cared about the elements but were more concerned about what was being done with the elements and not that the elements were being used. Legally ""who knows"" but back in the day they really didn't care. On Wednesday, November 5, 2003, at 04:22 PM, jbv wrote: >> >> Who owns the elements of the interface? >> >> buttons, menus, hypertext, visual effects >> transitions, scroll fields, checkboxes, etc... > I remember something about the trial in "look and > feel" between Apple and Micro$oft in the 80's > when Windows was released : it seems that Rank > Xerox had been stated as the 1st inventor of all > these elements, and that the dispute was pointless... > But does that mean they are the owner ? > Or is it in public domain already ? > > Or is this remark completly OT ? > > JB > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > Thomas J McGrath III Advanced Media Group 220 Drake Rd. Bethel Park, PA 15102 3mcgrath at adelphia.net From sarahr at genesearch.com.au Wed Nov 5 21:40:13 2003 From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 12:40:13 +1000 Subject: Converting times In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <8C59D7C1-1002-11D8-B884-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au> OK, it looks like it definitely is a daylight-saving problem. My system worked fine until I told it I was in Sydney instead of Brisbane. Then I get the one hour discrepancy. BUT, if you set useSystemDate, you get the correct hour - then the date goes a bit funny: With my clock set to Brisbane (+10, no daylight-saving): set the useSystemDate to true ask "Enter a time:" with "8:17 am" convert it to seconds convert it to internet date I get: Sun, 11 Jan 1970 08:17:00 +1000 Removing the first line (useSystemDate), I get: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 08:17:00 +1000 i.e. it fills in the empty date with today's date, rather than a zero date. Now setting my clock to Sydney time (+10 but with daylight-saving), I get: With useSystemDate set to true: Sun, 11 Jan 1970 08:17:00 +1000 With useSystemDate not set: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 09:17:00 +1000 So, always set useSystemDate to true and don't expect it to fill in a blank date with today's. Hopefully this should be enough to get Jonathan out of trouble :-) Cheers, Sarah On Thursday, November 6, 2003, at 12:16 pm, Monte Goulding wrote: > >> I get the correct answers using OS X 10.2.8 and set to Australian time >> BUT I am in Queensland so I'm not on daylight saving. I wonder is that >> a factor. Could you try converting to "the internet date"? Using your >> 8:17 am example, I get: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 08:17:00 +1000 > > Hmmm... I'm in Adelaide and i get the problem so perhaps it is daylight > saving??? > > Monte > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net Wed Nov 5 22:06:20 2003 From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas J McGrath III) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 22:06:20 -0500 Subject: Can cards in a stack be of different sizes In-Reply-To: <002101c3a40f$e3753580$6501a8c0@S0031724895> Message-ID: <325E3ABC-1006-11D8-A25A-000A95DA60FA@adelphia.net> OUCH!!!!! On Wednesday, November 5, 2003, at 09:44 PM, Russell wrote: > DROP DEAD!!!! > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From pixelbird at interisland.net Wed Nov 5 22:14:58 2003 From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 19:14:58 -0800 Subject: Develop on Windows or Mac? In-Reply-To: <20031105200753.B691993006F@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: Well, I only have one thing to say on this thread. I will need to produce apps for Windows with Rev on my Mac; I like Rev's ability to do cross-platform builds. I expect problems from time to time, but that's part of what this list is for, and I appreciate the skills of those working in Windows. However, don't bother trying to evangelize me to try to work in the Windows platform, it just ain't gonna happen. Ken N. From capellan2000 at yahoo.com Wed Nov 5 22:15:43 2003 From: capellan2000 at yahoo.com (Alejandro Tejada) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 19:15:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: Animation with Sliding or Walking figures Message-ID: <20031106031543.56653.qmail@web40502.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Revolutionaries, I uploaded a file to my website, that shows an animated walking figure. http://www.geocities.com/capellan2000/walkingMan.zip I was testing this link in the web browser Opera and I got these three different results: 1) if you click in the link to download the file, you are redirected to a yahoo page that says that the file does not exist... 2) if you use Right-click to choose "Save target as" then you get the same HTML file from yahoo. 3) if you copy the link and paste in the address bar then the Zip file downloads correctly. Al ===== Visit my site: http://www.geocities.com/capellan2000/ Search the mail list: http://mindlube.com/cgi-bin/search-use-rev.cgi __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From monte at sweattechnologies.com Wed Nov 5 22:22:55 2003 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 13:52:55 +1030 Subject: Can cards in a stack be of different sizes In-Reply-To: <002101c3a40f$e3753580$6501a8c0@S0031724895> Message-ID: > > DROP DEAD!!!! > Would you like all list members to die or one in particular? At the moment I'm having trouble fulfilling your request due to it's ambiguous nature. Please let me know who kill and your preferred method. Are there any other people that are trying to help you that you would also like assassinated? Thankyou Monte From JonathanC at ag.nsw.gov.au Wed Nov 5 22:38:47 2003 From: JonathanC at ag.nsw.gov.au (JonathanC at ag.nsw.gov.au) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 14:38:47 +1100 Subject: Converting times Message-ID: Thanks Sarah, Jacque and Monte for your investigations. So, it looks like Daylight saving is the culprit! I'm still puzzled as to why I get the 2-hour discrepancy with dateItems: ask "Enter a time:" with "8:17 am" convert it to dateItems convert it to short time put it => 10:17 am Also, since "8:17 am" Aust. Eastern Summer Time" = 7:17 am Aust Eastern Standard Time, I can't understand why the time went FORWARD on reconversion,not back. FWIW, here's a few other experiments I did after receiving the last few replies: [They all begin with... get "8:17 am" and end with answer it] convert it to internet date => Thu, 6 Nov 2003 09:17:00 +1000 set the useSystemDate to true convert it to internet date => Sun, 11 Jan 1970 08:17:00 +1000 convert it to system time => 9:17 AM set the useSystemDate to true convert it to system time => 8:17 AM I'm not familiar enough with Revolution yet but, those of you who are, does this behaviour make sense to you? 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From igor at pixelmedia.com.au Wed Nov 5 23:01:37 2003 From: igor at pixelmedia.com.au (Igor Couto) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 15:01:37 +1100 Subject: [REQ] Please Show Support For Rev Linux PPC Message-ID: Dear Revolutionaries, Some of us, Macintosh users, are trying to make the Runtime team interested in developing Revolution for the Linux PPC platform again (to be compatible with the Red-Hat based, 'YellowDog' distribution - http://www.yellowdoglinux.com/). To do this, we must show the Runtime team that there is, indeed, a market out there for such a product! Therefore, if you believe that you would be interested in a Linux PPC version of Revolution, please send a quick email to: "admin at pixelmedia.com.au" This will help ensure that this mailing list is not filled with unrelated 'me-too' messages, while at the same time guaranteeing that *everyone* is counted! - and please, DO WRITE, as WE NEED AS MANY PEOPLE SHOWING INTEREST AS POSSIBLE. If you believe that you would be more likely to purchase Revolution, renew your license subscription or upgrade your license BECAUSE of a Linux PPC version, then your name SHOULD BE IN OUR LIST! PLEASE WRITE!!! For more information on why a Linux PPC version of Revolution might be useful, please look at the message thread "[OT] Rev on Linux PPC - Would you use it?" in this list. Many thanks for your time, and Regards, -- Igor de Oliveira Couto ---------------------------------- igor at pixelmedia.com.au ---------------------------------- Pixel Media Pty. Ltd. From katir at hindu.org Wed Nov 5 23:40:35 2003 From: katir at hindu.org (Sannyasin Sivakatirswami) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 18:40:35 -1000 Subject: Develop on Windows or Mac In-Reply-To: <3996AE5EBEF964418D80953BDCABFF5606AB1E75@ex1.asurite.ad.asu.edu> References: <3996AE5EBEF964418D80953BDCABFF5606AB1E75@ex1.asurite.ad.asu.edu> Message-ID: <5CD74F4A-1013-11D8-84DF-000A959D0AC6@hindu.org> Having worked in print media for over 30 years, we tend to find over and over again that "grey areas" are often areas that are simply undocumented, which which have, on investigation, fairly precise parameters. e.g. "the top border should be exactly 24 points wide and sit on the 5 baseline from the top trim edge of the page with baseline set to 10 points, first baseline set to 0. In the absence of documentation the newbie is just left with "use an old master page"... and often flounders. I am currently starting to document stuff more and more. Point: I wonder if these differences between Rev stacks on platforms can be given any precise definition? And documented? or is it really total quicksand? We also develop on OSX and would never work on a Windows machine. So, can "field sizes too small on Classic 9.0" can be given a definition? e.g. "a 12 point font in a button that is 14 pixels tall, centered vertically on a Mac will fall two points lower on a PC, the solution is to set the text height of the button on windows to 14 (or whatever) (which is not a legal property of a text button any more, but I used to do it...) or, simply make all your buttons 16 pixels tall if you are using 12 point fonts.. on the PC the label will sit a bit lower but still have a good bottom margin." Or, are the continuous OS upgrades and subsequent changes/breakages created by the OS engineers going to make any documentation for appears on any platform obsolete in six months? In any case, were someone who did a lot of Mac/Windows deployment and tweaking, to document what they do in more specific and "minute" terms (with the disclaimer that only God knows if it will be true when Panther become Lynx or Windows XP becomes Windows ZX) That could be extremely useful to the everyone. Right now I just tend to give fields and buttons on the Mac a lot of breathing room and it seems to appear OK on the PC... i.e. its a fishing expedition each time... ;-) Sannyasin Sivakatirswami Himalayan Academy Publications at Kauai's Hindu Monastery katir at hindu.org www.HimalayanAcademy.com, www.HinduismToday.com www.Gurudeva.org www.Hindu.org On Nov 5, 2003, at 1:47 PM, Thomas Cole wrote: > I'm working on my first big project with Revolution and I'm using OSX > to develop in. I want the software to run on any mac and any windows > machine. It's working surprisingly well. Revolution is a great piece > of software. > > My experience so far -- as limited as it is -- is different from what > I am reading here. I have found that the Mac classic standalones need > much more tweaking than the PC ones. Fields are too small mostly -- or > the fonts get too big or whatever. I'm surprised at this because > coming from HyperCard I remember how perfectly the stacks would run on > any Mac with no field size problems of any kind. Yet the PC > standalones are more faithful to the OSX development view with regard > to font size -- although the fonts are spidery sometimes and not as > nice as on a Mac. Any tips for keeping things the same on all > platforms? > > I'm rather a neophyte and I don't even know which standalone for Mac > to distribute or what the difference is: Fat. PPC. or 68. (I'll > certainly want to distribute the OSX version.) If someone could set me > straight on this, I'd be grateful. > > TOM > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From pixelbird at interisland.net Wed Nov 5 23:55:20 2003 From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 20:55:20 -0800 Subject: How to implement min/max functions In-Reply-To: <20031106002155.5F82A930075@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: Hi Scott, > Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 12:12:47 -0800 > From: Scott Rossi > Subject: Re: How to impolement min/max functions > AFAIK, you constrain the same way in Rev. Why do you want to do this > without max/min functions? ---------- I don't. I meant I couldn't find them. Before, when I put "max" in the find field of the Dictionary earlier today, it only came up with maxHeight, maxWidth, and addMax, so I thought it wasn't there...but now it shows it. I think that's happened before with other keywords, but it could have just been pre-coffee bleary vision. Thanks for the Re, though. It made me go back and try again until I found it. Something else odd just happened. 'Nuther thread though. Ken N. From pixelbird at interisland.net Wed Nov 5 23:59:24 2003 From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 20:59:24 -0800 Subject: Hand in the script editior In-Reply-To: <20031106002155.5F82A930075@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: Hello, Hmmm. I was just now fiddling with scripts, and I got a hand cursor in the editor and couldn't place the blinking I-beam in the middle of a line where I wanted it. But the hand disappeared as I moved out of the middle of the line, and I could place the cursor at the end. Very strange. I had to close the editor and reopen to get it to respond properly. Has anyone else experienced that? Not a big deal, just curious what was happening. TIA, Ken N. From steve at messimercomputing.com Thu Nov 6 00:07:29 2003 From: steve at messimercomputing.com (Stephen Messimer) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 00:07:29 -0500 Subject: using stacks online Message-ID: <1EDA3BCE-1017-11D8-B9BC-000A27D75508@messimercomputing.com> Hi, I vaguely remember that someone was using Revolution stacks over the web in such a way that the stack was useable but wasn't actually downloaded to the end-user. I would really appreciate it if someone could give me a little direction regarding how to implement such an arrangement. Thanks, Steve Stephen R. Messimer, PA 208 1st Ave. South Escanaba, MI 49829 www.messimercomputing.com -- Build Computer-Based Training modules FAST with preceptorTools? -- version 1.0 coming soon! -- Macintosh G-4 OSX 10.2.6, OS 9.2.2, 512MB RAM, Rev 2.0.2 From ambassador at fourthworld.com Thu Nov 6 01:08:50 2003 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 22:08:50 -0800 Subject: using stacks online In-Reply-To: <1EDA3BCE-1017-11D8-B9BC-000A27D75508@messimercomputing.com> Message-ID: Stephen Messimer wrote: > I vaguely remember that someone was using Revolution stacks over the > web in such a way that the stack was useable but wasn't actually > downloaded to the end-user. > > I would really appreciate it if someone could give me a little > direction regarding how to implement such an arrangement. See RevNet: Development->Plugins->GoRevNet -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation ___________________________________________________________ Ambassador at FourthWorld.com http://www.FourthWorld.com Tel: 323-225-3717 AIM: FourthWorldInc From scott at tactilemedia.com Thu Nov 6 01:20:05 2003 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 22:20:05 -0800 Subject: Animation with Sliding or Walking figures In-Reply-To: <20031106024822.10455.qmail@web40506.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 11/5/03 6:48 PM, "Alejandro Tejada" wrote: > I uploaded a file to my website, that shows > an animated walking figure. > > I'm trying to simulate that this figure is > moving on the space, but my best results > just shows a sliding effect. > > If you could help with a solution, download > the file On a Mac laptop with a slowish video card, 20 to 25 looks fair to me. But the real solution is not speed -- it is one of stopping the forward sliding motion when a foot is "planted" on the "ground". The body should propel itself forward with a foot fixed in place so the constant motion you are attempting to use is not going to create natural looking motion. I posted a variation of your stack that illustrates how it could work. Enter the following in your message box: go stack url "http://www.tactilemedia.com/download/walkingman_new.rev" This should provide more natural looking motion. You can adjust the walking speed of the figure by changing the number of milliseconds used in the send (repeat) loop. How it was done: basically I looked at how the figure changes the position of its feet and determined a number of pixels to move for each step. As the script loops, it repositions the image a set number of pixels based on the currentFrame of the animation. (Sidebar: note the arm swings are technically reversed. The natural motion of the human body is to swing forward the arm that is opposite of the leg currently moving forward.) Hope this helps. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design ----- E: scott at tactilemedia.com W: http://www.tactilemedia.com From livfoss at blueyonder.co.uk Thu Nov 6 03:23:57 2003 From: livfoss at blueyonder.co.uk (Graham Samuel) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 08:23:57 +0000 Subject: Develop on Windows or Mac? Message-ID: I need to deploy my apps on Mac (pre- and post-OSX) and on PC. I also work in two locations, with the most suitable (fastest, etc) development machine being a Mac in one location and a PC in the other. So I have to keep switching development platforms even within a project - I just cut a CD on the machine I'm using and take it to the other location. Frankly I am amazed at how easy this is - I can't say I have ever had a significant problem arising just from switching development platforms. AFAIK only RunRev offers this - and they've made an excellent job of it. OTOH I find I absolutely **have to** do my late testing on each deployment platform - you can't really debug an AppleEvent handler on a Windows box, for example, and the font and font size problems others have mentioned often seem to call for hand tweaking on the deployment system. Then there's the menu bar issue: RunRev's built-in method of hiding the Windows-style menu bar by cutting off the top of a window is not appropriate in some cases (for example when you're desperate to use every pixel of height - happens when the user demands a VGA screen size - yes, some still do!), and I've also had to tinker with the Registry (thanks to advice from this list) in order to make sure a window fills the screen but doesn't overfill it. Et cetera. I really don't see how one could produce an industrial strength app on any platform without at least some testing and indeed debugging on that actual platform. Graham -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Graham Samuel / The Living Fossil Co. / UK & France From ttasovac at princeton.edu Thu Nov 6 04:47:02 2003 From: ttasovac at princeton.edu (Toma Tasovac) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 10:47:02 +0100 Subject: OT: Panther and Sorenson3 In-Reply-To: <3FA94A9D.7080506@aol.com> References: <3FA94A9D.7080506@aol.com> Message-ID: <2C5154D9-103E-11D8-ADE9-000A95C45C8C@princeton.edu> Rob, try manually deleting the Sorenson Video Pro OSX.qtx file from Library/Quicktime/ and then run the update installer again. Toma On Nov 5, 2003, at 8:08 PM, Rob Gould wrote: > Has anyone who's upgraded to Mac OS Panther had any difficulty with > Sorenson3 no longer showing up as a compression option in Quicktime Pro > or Cleaner? I just downloaded the patch from www.sorenson.com to > Sorenson 3.3, but that doesn't seem to help. Curious if anyone else is > having this problem. > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From jbv.silences at Club-Internet.fr Thu Nov 6 05:23:56 2003 From: jbv.silences at Club-Internet.fr (jbv) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 11:23:56 +0100 Subject: Develop on Windows or Mac? References: Message-ID: <3FAA2137.B9F40CB2@Club-Internet.fr> Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com : > > More productive, and faster? I work in a mixed environment of PC's and > Mac's, and that is not the situation here at all. On OS X, put about > 10,000 files of any kind into a folder (write a repeat loop to create them > as a test), then open the folder in the finder. Put a stop-watch on that > pretty colorful spinning ball. Do the same on a Windows PC... the folder > will open with all files listed in about 2 seconds. I have a question : who needs to put 10,000 files in a single folder ? I might be wrong, but to me it sounds like a "perverted approach" (sorry, this is the only way that my poor english allows me to explain the feeling I have) of graphic interfaces, may be even a typical Micro$oft approach : if 1 icon looks better than 1 line of text, so 100 icons will work 100 times better ! That's why we end up with these ugly Word or Excel interfaces : in the versions of Word 98 and Excel 98 I'm using on my Mac, there's a palette at the top of the screen with more than 40 icons on it (and of course the need of tooltips to identify each one). The point I want to make is that putting 10,000 files in a single folder is pointless (unless the content of this folder is read/written by an app only). If end users have to open that folder, then the content should be split in several subfolders for more clarity and readibility. And therefore, I don't really care if the OS I'm using will take 10 minutes to open a folder containing 10,000 files, simply because I'll never try to open it. > > > Another - Rev specific speed test. Write a repeat loop to create about 200 > Rev objects on a card. Distribute them all over the card. Make it a mix of > buttons and fields, and a few imported small gif files. Now, using the > selection tool, select all of the elements by dragging around them. How > long does it take for the selections to catch-up with what you selected. > Do the same on a PC. OK... Any Questions? > Yes, I have another question : if you can create a repeat loop to create 200 objects, why can't you use a script to select them ? IOW, why do you go the easy way to create a problem and then go the hard way to solve it ? Thanks, JB From jbv.silences at Club-Internet.fr Thu Nov 6 05:26:36 2003 From: jbv.silences at Club-Internet.fr (jbv) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 11:26:36 +0100 Subject: semit OT : networking old Macs - how to ? Message-ID: <3FAA21D6.30FB72F0@Club-Internet.fr> Hi folks, Does anyone on this list have any experience networking old Nubus Macs (IIfx, quadras and early PPC) ? I have the feeling that education is a domain where old machines are recycled and networked... Please contact me off-list : I have a few questions. Thanks in advance, JB From klaus at major-k.de Thu Nov 6 05:38:45 2003 From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 11:38:45 +0100 Subject: Undertaker, WAS: Can cards in a stack be of different sizes In-Reply-To: <002101c3a40f$e3753580$6501a8c0@S0031724895> References: <002101c3a40f$e3753580$6501a8c0@S0031724895> Message-ID: <65B1007E-1045-11D8-A360-000A27B49A96@major-k.de> Hi Russell, > DROP DEAD!!!! OK, i did... What's next? :-) Dead regards Klaus Major klaus at major-k.de www.major-k.de From richmond at mail.maclaunch.com Thu Nov 6 04:23:43 2003 From: richmond at mail.maclaunch.com (Mathewson) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 04:23:43 -0500 Subject: REVTOOLS Hack updated !!! Message-ID: Dear RR Afficionados, New version of my REVTOOLS hack up on my website + apologies for the last 2 days: website had an attack of "scrambled egg". If you download my files PLEASE send me a postcard! Best regards, Richmond Mathewson __________________________________________________ See Mathewson's software at: http://members.maclaunch.com/richmond/default.html and http://www.runrev.com/Revolution1/developercentral/usercontributions.html __________________________________________________ --------------------------------------------------------------- Great Macintosh Products The MacLaunch Store! http://www.maclaunch.com/cgi-launch/store/agora.cgi --------------------------------------------------------------- From Giancarlo.Aguilera at intercept.net Wed Nov 5 13:26:34 2003 From: Giancarlo.Aguilera at intercept.net (Giancarlo Aguilera) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 10:26:34 -0800 Subject: Fixed width fonts on the PC Message-ID: Did you ever get any information regarding fixed width fonts that are for sure distributed by the Windows OS? If so, could you name at least one. Thanks Giancarlo From xbury.cs at clearstream.com Thu Nov 6 05:52:11 2003 From: xbury.cs at clearstream.com (xbury.cs at clearstream.com) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 11:52:11 +0100 Subject: Develop on Windows or Mac? Message-ID: Roger, Be cool with flamebait... Here at work, we have more than one folder with THOUSANDS of files for our business, DBA, SAN, backups reporting among others... In a 3TB fileserver you need something that can handle oh-so-many files! I wont discuss the icons issue naturally... On the MacOS however, I remember leaving work disgusted by the poor so-called- superior-high-tech OS trying to list something so mundane as a two thousand files... No wonder I needed 3 Macs to work! I havent tried it on OSX since I gave it MacOS after seeing my new Mac 8500 being unable to use OSX (I had a beta and it was SO slow...) And for 1/4 the price I got a machine that was not just 5 times faster, it turned laps around my 3 macs, I never missed a MacOS app other than HC... Instead I got a serious bunch of cool games that never came to Macs... As a race buff, this was a big plus! I like to have a nice OS but one that really works at my level! Emulating windows was still a joke then... ---------------------=--------------------- Xavier Bury TNS NT LAN Server ext 6465 jbv Sent by: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com 06/11/03 11:23 Please respond to How to use Revolution To: How to use Revolution cc: Subject: Re: Develop on Windows or Mac? . Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com : > > More productive, and faster? I work in a mixed environment of PC's and > Mac's, and that is not the situation here at all. On OS X, put about > 10,000 files of any kind into a folder (write a repeat loop to create them > as a test), then open the folder in the finder. Put a stop-watch on that > pretty colorful spinning ball. Do the same on a Windows PC... the folder > will open with all files listed in about 2 seconds. I have a question : who needs to put 10,000 files in a single folder ? I might be wrong, but to me it sounds like a "perverted approach" (sorry, this is the only way that my poor english allows me to explain the feeling I have) of graphic interfaces, may be even a typical Micro$oft approach : if 1 icon looks better than 1 line of text, so 100 icons will work 100 times better ! That's why we end up with these ugly Word or Excel interfaces : in the versions of Word 98 and Excel 98 I'm using on my Mac, there's a palette at the top of the screen with more than 40 icons on it (and of course the need of tooltips to identify each one). The point I want to make is that putting 10,000 files in a single folder is pointless (unless the content of this folder is read/written by an app only). If end users have to open that folder, then the content should be split in several subfolders for more clarity and readibility. And therefore, I don't really care if the OS I'm using will take 10 minutes to open a folder containing 10,000 files, simply because I'll never try to open it. > > > Another - Rev specific speed test. Write a repeat loop to create about 200 > Rev objects on a card. Distribute them all over the card. Make it a mix of > buttons and fields, and a few imported small gif files. Now, using the > selection tool, select all of the elements by dragging around them. How > long does it take for the selections to catch-up with what you selected. > Do the same on a PC. OK... Any Questions? > Yes, I have another question : if you can create a repeat loop to create 200 objects, why can't you use a script to select them ? IOW, why do you go the easy way to create a problem and then go the hard way to solve it ? 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END OF DISCLAIMER From jason at rippetoe.com Thu Nov 6 06:07:13 2003 From: jason at rippetoe.com (Jason Rippetoe) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 18:07:13 +0700 Subject: Several Windows Questions... Message-ID: <5FF16FB8-1049-11D8-913F-000393CFB710@rippetoe.com> Hi there; New to Rev and trying to get the hang of things, especially related to cross-platform issues. I'm developing on Mac OS X 10.2 and then building my standalones for Mac OS X, Windows and Mac OS PPC. My stacks are very simple, as I am not skilled at this stuff by any means. Using it to build a vocabulary drill program. Here's the first issue: I have a stack that has a card for each of the vocabulary words used. When each card is displayed, there is an image that hides the answer to the vocabulary word displayed. The user guesses the answer and then clicks a button to reveal the answer and play an audio file of the word being spoken. The button script in use is: on mouseUp play "VocabData/VocabAudio/L1Vocab36.aif" hide image "AnswerBlock" with dissolve end mouseUp Simple, no? The trouble is, the dissolve (and others elsewhere in the stack) works great on the Mac during development and on the Mac standalones, but I'm having some troubles when testing under Windows. Using Virtual PC with Windows XP and Windows 98, the dissolve works normally (though slowly under emulation) yet on the PC laptop I have here, the dissolves don't appear at all- there's just a delay during which the dissolve would normally occur then the "AnswerBlock" image is hidden without a visual effect. This is under Windows ME on an older Pentium 200MHz. Is this lack of dissolves due to Windows ME? Due to the slow processor on the laptop? Inquiring minds are looking for an answer. Next Issue: When running my standalone under Windows (all three flavors mentioned above), there is no tab in the Taskbar for my running application. Does this have anything to do with setting the decorations to empty? Next issue: I have several sub-stacks in my standalone. Under Windows, each of the substacks appears as a separate task under the Task Manager, as if multiple programs are running. Is this normal behavior? Is there a way to make substacks not appear separately? Thanks for any help you can provide. -Jason From klaus at major-k.de Thu Nov 6 06:29:56 2003 From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 12:29:56 +0100 Subject: Fixed width fonts on the PC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8C4AB8F4-104C-11D8-A360-000A27B49A96@major-k.de> Buon giorno Giancarlo, > Did you ever get any information regarding fixed width fonts that are > for > sure distributed by the Windows OS? If so, could you name at least > one. -> Courier New Ugly, but present on win :-) > Thanks > > Giancarlo Regards Klaus Major klaus at major-k.de www.major-k.de From mike at cyber-ny.com Thu Nov 6 06:38:49 2003 From: mike at cyber-ny.com (Mike Brown) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 06:38:49 -0500 Subject: Animation with Sliding or Walking figures In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I viewed the animation on a Mac G4 running OS X. I thought a time of 48 to 50 looked best to me although it is hard to pinpoint. The animated gif or sprite could be edited to give a smother loop of motion to avoid the slide effect during the brief delay in walking motion. btw: thanks for the info on the character sets... Interesting stuff. - Mike Mike Brown Cyber-NY Interactive From jbv.silences at Club-Internet.fr Thu Nov 6 07:02:11 2003 From: jbv.silences at Club-Internet.fr (jbv) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 13:02:11 +0100 Subject: Develop on Windows or Mac? References: Message-ID: <3FAA383B.27004577@Club-Internet.fr> > Roger, > > Be cool with flamebait... No flamebait of course, only questions... > > > Here at work, we have more than one folder with THOUSANDS of files for our > > business, DBA, SAN, backups reporting among others... > > In a 3TB fileserver you need something that can handle oh-so-many files! Yes, but as I wrote : "The point I want to make is that putting 10,000 files in a single folder is pointless (unless the content of this folder is read/written by an app only)." Again, I see the need for apps like DBAs to store thousands of files in a single directory, as long as data needs to be retrieved ONLY by the app (furthermore, I don't see why using sub-directories would slow down the retrieve/process/save data in a significant way). And if the amount of data is that huge, there must be various high-level scripts & front-ends to help manage all those files... That's why I still don't understand why individuals should have to struggle with windows displaying thousands of files... May be just another example of "programmer lazyness" ? Again, no flame war... just asking... JB From livfoss at blueyonder.co.uk Thu Nov 6 07:30:39 2003 From: livfoss at blueyonder.co.uk (Graham Samuel) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 12:30:39 +0000 Subject: GIF animation problem Message-ID: In an app that is in an advanced state of testing, I have a couple of transparent buttons each of which has an icon which itself is an animated GIF. I change the GIF and its status (animated or not) according to various parameters of the program. That way I can give the appearance that the button object is moving or stopped, going backwards or forwards, and running at different speeds, and can be dragged around the screen - all without using QuickTime, (QT is not acceptable to my PC users). This generally works extremely well, but my beta tester has pointed out that just one of these animations stops working as soon as its border overlaps with the other one. It doesn't seem to mind overlapping with other, static, controls (images and grcs). I can't see why this should be so - a simplified experiment with just the two animations doesn't exhibit this behaviour, and I have checked while the program is running that the GIF really is animated (its repeatCount is -1). I just can't guess what is causing this behaviour: if it's my error (I guess it is) then it's a subtle one. BTW the same behaviour shows up on MacOS 9.2.2 and on Windows ME, so it doesn't look like a specific OS or clock-speed problem. Haven't tried OSX yet. Any suggestions gratfully received. I'm past a delivery deadline. Graham -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Graham Samuel / The Living Fossil Co. / UK & France From xbury.cs at clearstream.com Thu Nov 6 07:51:16 2003 From: xbury.cs at clearstream.com (xbury.cs at clearstream.com) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 13:51:16 +0100 Subject: Develop on Windows or Mac? Message-ID: On 06/11/2003 13:02:11 use-revolution-bounces wrote: >> Roger, >> >> Be cool with flamebait... > >No flamebait of course, only questions... > None taken! ;)) >> >> Here at work, we have more than one folder with THOUSANDS of files for our >> business, DBA, SAN, backups reporting among others... >> In a 3TB fileserver you need something that can handle oh-so-many files! > >Yes, but as I wrote : >"The point I want to make is that putting 10,000 files in a single folder is >pointless (unless the content of this folder is read/written by an app only)." > >Again, I see the need for apps like DBAs to store thousands of files in a >single directory, as long as data needs to be retrieved ONLY by the app >(furthermore, I don't see why using sub-directories would slow down >the retrieve/process/save data in a significant way). Going deeper doesn't slow you down although it takes longuer to navigate. Also sometimes the long path of a file may exceed the OS's capacity so there are arguments where you need to do this. >And if the amount of data is that huge, there must be various high-level scripts >& front-ends to help manage all those files... Not always. Depends on programmer's lazyness... I've also seen users folders with 4000 files. The reason they dont notice is because when the use the folder they only browse it with excell or word and all other files are filtered out by default. >That's why I still don't understand why individuals should have to struggle >with windows displaying thousands of files... I dont see why either... But remember that 80% of the problems in tech support are situated between the chair and the keyboard !!! (the other 19% are in MS tech support!) >May be just another example of "programmer lazyness" ? it's not just programmers... Programmer unless pressed by time usually try to do a good job AFAIK... Exceptions granted! Why does a company spend a million on something completely useless and still can't see the use of spending 10,000 in something truely practical? I live this everyday! It must be a matter of ignorance somewhere... >_______________________________________________ >use-revolution mailing list >use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Visit us at http://www.clearstream.com IMPORTANT MESSAGE Internet communications are not secure and therefore Clearstream International does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message. The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Any views expressed in this e-mail are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of Clearstream International or of any of its affiliates or subsidiaries. END OF DISCLAIMER From jbv.silences at Club-Internet.fr Thu Nov 6 08:11:42 2003 From: jbv.silences at Club-Internet.fr (jbv) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 14:11:42 +0100 Subject: Develop on Windows or Mac? References: <3FAA383B.27004577@Club-Internet.fr> Message-ID: <3FAA4884.447374D2@Club-Internet.fr> Just one more detail : On Mac, move (or duplicate) a file on the desktop (to retrieve it easier). Then check the location of that file : you'll probably find it at the higher level of your HD, which is logical. Now do the same in Windows XP... Did anyone say "productivity" ? JB From xbury.cs at clearstream.com Thu Nov 6 08:02:49 2003 From: xbury.cs at clearstream.com (xbury.cs at clearstream.com) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 14:02:49 +0100 Subject: Several Windows Questions... Message-ID: Jason, Check out how many colors your monitor is displaying (display props)... There's a lot of problems when switching to lower-bit displays... I also experience a lot of problems with lock screens and screen flashes AFTER compiling on the same OS (W2KSP3) regardless of screen depth. Last but not least, Windows ME is by far the worst OS ever made... Dont rely on anything it says or shows... Use a "standard" like W98 SE if you can still find one but best is to concentrate on a later or the latest OS... Just my 2 cents... On 06/11/2003 12:07:13 use-revolution-bounces wrote: >Hi there; > >New to Rev and trying to get the hang of things, especially related to >cross-platform issues. I'm developing on Mac OS X 10.2 and then >building my standalones for Mac OS X, Windows and Mac OS PPC. My stacks >are very simple, as I am not skilled at this stuff by any means. Using >it to build a vocabulary drill program. > >Here's the first issue: > >I have a stack that has a card for each of the vocabulary words used. >When each card is displayed, there is an image that hides the answer to >the vocabulary word displayed. The user guesses the answer and then >clicks a button to reveal the answer and play an audio file of the word >being spoken. The button script in use is: > >on mouseUp >play "VocabData/VocabAudio/L1Vocab36.aif" >hide image "AnswerBlock" with dissolve >end mouseUp > >Simple, no? The trouble is, the dissolve (and others elsewhere in the >stack) works great on the Mac during development and on the Mac >standalones, but I'm having some troubles when testing under Windows. >Using Virtual PC with Windows XP and Windows 98, the dissolve works >normally (though slowly under emulation) yet on the PC laptop I have >here, the dissolves don't appear at all- there's just a delay during >which the dissolve would normally occur then the "AnswerBlock" image is >hidden without a visual effect. This is under Windows ME on an older >Pentium 200MHz. Is this lack of dissolves due to Windows ME? Due to the >slow processor on the laptop? Inquiring minds are looking for an answer. > >Next Issue: > >When running my standalone under Windows (all three flavors mentioned >above), there is no tab in the Taskbar for my running application. Does >this have anything to do with setting the decorations to empty? > >Next issue: > >I have several sub-stacks in my standalone. Under Windows, each of the >substacks appears as a separate task under the Task Manager, as if >multiple programs are running. Is this normal behavior? Is there a way >to make substacks not appear separately? > >Thanks for any help you can provide. > >-Jason > >_______________________________________________ >use-revolution mailing list >use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Visit us at http://www.clearstream.com IMPORTANT MESSAGE Internet communications are not secure and therefore Clearstream International does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message. The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Any views expressed in this e-mail are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of Clearstream International or of any of its affiliates or subsidiaries. END OF DISCLAIMER From xbury.cs at clearstream.com Thu Nov 6 08:07:31 2003 From: xbury.cs at clearstream.com (xbury.cs at clearstream.com) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 14:07:31 +0100 Subject: Develop on Windows or Mac? Message-ID: Windows-key+F, type name, , double click... Is that one or two steps less? But the open/save file dialogs and shortcuts in windows SUCK truely! Wasn't the subject about runrev? ;)) ---------------------=--------------------- Xavier Bury TNS NT LAN Server ext 6465 jbv Sent by: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com 06/11/03 14:11 Please respond to How to use Revolution To: How to use Revolution cc: Subject: Re: Develop on Windows or Mac? . Just one more detail : On Mac, move (or duplicate) a file on the desktop (to retrieve it easier). Then check the location of that file : you'll probably find it at the higher level of your HD, which is logical. Now do the same in Windows XP... Did anyone say "productivity" ? JB _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Visit us at http://www.clearstream.com IMPORTANT MESSAGE Internet communications are not secure and therefore Clearstream International does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message. The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Any views expressed in this e-mail are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of Clearstream International or of any of its affiliates or subsidiaries. END OF DISCLAIMER From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net Thu Nov 6 08:34:33 2003 From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas J McGrath III) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 08:34:33 -0500 Subject: Screen Size Issue Message-ID: Hello everyone, I made this stack at 800 by 600 with no resize allowed. I figured that was a good average size to work with. Well, when I actually display on an 800 x 600 screen I have two problems. The first is the Title bar sticks the window down below the Mac menu bar. The second is that the bottom and right are cut off. Not sticking past the window but instead they are actually cut off by the stack window. I expected the first but not the second. Question: What is the best window style to use to display correctly? Question: Why is the window cut off by its own stack rather than sticking out past the screen size? Thanks again, Tom Thomas J McGrath III Advanced Media Group 220 Drake Rd. Bethel Park, PA 15102 3mcgrath at adelphia.net From gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com Thu Nov 6 09:14:57 2003 From: gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com (Geoff Canyon) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 06:14:57 -0800 Subject: 2.1.1 better and reliable ... but In-Reply-To: <019F8C8D-0D11-11D8-A691-000A95C49B80@itinfo.dk> References: <27CAEC2D-0D0C-11D8-93AD-000393C4760A@mindlube.com> <019F8C8D-0D11-11D8-A691-000A95C49B80@itinfo.dk> Message-ID: <99DEABFC-1063-11D8-9CEC-003065683ECC@inspiredlogic.com> It seems a bit extreme to avoid all of 2.x because of one issue that can easily be worked around and only shows up when running without the development environment -- not in standalones, not in the development environment. Are there other issues that have forced you to make this decision? regards, Geoff Canyon gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com On Nov 2, 2003, at 12:46 AM, Carsten Levin wrote: > But untill a workable version of 2.1.1 is published we will have to > keep our main work in 1.1.1 From Doug_Ivers at lord.com Thu Nov 6 09:30:56 2003 From: Doug_Ivers at lord.com (Ivers, Doug E) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 09:30:56 -0500 Subject: Making Windows application icons on Mac Message-ID: iconFactory is $69 iconographer is only $15; unfortunately, I haven't been able to create a .ico that is 744 bytes yet. D > -----Original Message----- > From: Igor Couto [mailto:igor at pixelmedia.com.au] > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 10:35 PM > To: How to use Revolution > Subject: Re: Making Windows application icons on Mac > > > On 04/11/2003, at 8:35 AM, Paul Stary wrote: > > > I was able to download BMPtoICO > > here and it > > worked like a charm! > > > > If you have Adobe Photoshop - you might want to try a commercial > Photoshop plug-in called "IconBuilder". It helps you put > together (all > within Photoshop) the data you need for both Mac AND Win icons. It is > produced by the 'IconFactory': http://www.iconfactory.com/ > > Cheers, > > -- > Igor de Oliveira Couto > ------------------------------ > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From Doug_Ivers at lord.com Thu Nov 6 09:33:04 2003 From: Doug_Ivers at lord.com (Ivers, Doug E) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 09:33:04 -0500 Subject: Application Icons in Windows Message-ID: Are we still limited to 16 colors for standalone icons on windows? Seems rather absurd. Is this a limitation of windows or RR? Is this near the top of the feature request list? D From gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com Thu Nov 6 09:41:15 2003 From: gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com (Geoff Canyon) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 06:41:15 -0800 Subject: undo broken in script editor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <466FEB9D-1067-11D8-9CEC-003065683ECC@inspiredlogic.com> Unlimited undo is planned for the script editor. There is no time frame at this point. regards, Geoff Canyon gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com On Nov 3, 2003, at 6:04 AM, Ivers, Doug E wrote: > Multi-level undo would be awesome! From gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com Thu Nov 6 09:41:40 2003 From: gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com (Geoff Canyon) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 06:41:40 -0800 Subject: Can cards in a stack be of different sizes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <556CDB6A-1067-11D8-9CEC-003065683ECC@inspiredlogic.com> FYI, I believe this is going to be changing as we move forward. Like OS X with Aqua, all the OSes are making it harder and harder to emulate them correctly. regards, Geoff Canyon gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com On Nov 2, 2003, at 6:03 PM, Alex Rice wrote: > Of all the Rev look and feels, only Mac OS Appearance Manager is > natively drawn by the OS. All others including Mac OS, Windows and > Unix are all "emulated". This means the OS just thinks that Revolution > is drawing an image- but it's actually a scene showing all of the > controls and widgets. From bvg at mac.com Thu Nov 6 09:51:38 2003 From: bvg at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 15:51:38 +0100 Subject: Application Icons in Windows In-Reply-To: Message-ID: See bug Nr. 730 in the bugzilla database ("http://runrev.com/revolution/developers/bugdatabase/") There are already 30 votes, the only bug with more votes is Nr. 670 (More complete tables (actual grid control)). And its definitely not a limitation of windows. On Donnerstag, Nov 6, 2003, at 15:33 Europe/Zurich, Ivers, Doug E wrote: > Are we still limited to 16 colors for standalone icons on windows? > Seems rather absurd. Is this a limitation of windows or RR? Is this > near the top of the feature request list? > > > D > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From heather at runrev.com Thu Nov 6 09:36:14 2003 From: heather at runrev.com (Heather Williams) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 14:36:14 +0000 Subject: Can cards in a stack be of different sizes In-Reply-To: <20031106082307.C7F9B93006B@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: > >> >> DROP DEAD!!!! >> > Would you like all list members to die or one in particular? At the moment > I'm having trouble fulfilling your request due to it's ambiguous nature. > Please let me know who kill and your preferred method. Are there any other > people that are trying to help you that you would also like assassinated? On receiveInsultingMessage switch case apology received accept apology end incident break case incident not repeated ignore incident break case incident repeated inform moderator end switch End receiveInsultingMessage -- Heather Williams ~ heather at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution - User-Centric Development Tools Tel +44 (0) 131 7184333 Fax +44 (0) 845 4588487 ~~~ Check our web site for new Revolution editions & special offers ~~~ From xbury.cs at clearstream.com Thu Nov 6 10:21:13 2003 From: xbury.cs at clearstream.com (xbury.cs at clearstream.com) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 16:21:13 +0100 Subject: 2.1.1 better and reliable ... but Message-ID: No debugging, buggy editor (indents, losing scripts, etc, etc...), different GUI results between IDE and runtime, some plug-in msgs dont work, very very slow selection of multiple controls, unfortunately I dont have time to spend debugging RR as I did MC's IDE! Im sure the RR is scrambling! ---------------------=--------------------- Xavier Bury TNS NT LAN Server ext 6465 Geoff Canyon Sent by: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com 06/11/03 15:14 Please respond to How to use Revolution To: How to use Revolution cc: Subject: Re: 2.1.1 better and reliable ... but . It seems a bit extreme to avoid all of 2.x because of one issue that can easily be worked around and only shows up when running without the development environment -- not in standalones, not in the development environment. Are there other issues that have forced you to make this decision? regards, Geoff Canyon gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com On Nov 2, 2003, at 12:46 AM, Carsten Levin wrote: > But untill a workable version of 2.1.1 is published we will have to > keep our main work in 1.1.1 _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Visit us at http://www.clearstream.com IMPORTANT MESSAGE Internet communications are not secure and therefore Clearstream International does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message. The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Any views expressed in this e-mail are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of Clearstream International or of any of its affiliates or subsidiaries. END OF DISCLAIMER From Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com Thu Nov 6 10:16:06 2003 From: Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com (Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 10:16:06 -0500 Subject: Develop on Windows or Mac? Message-ID: On 11/06/2003, at 05:23 AM jbv wrote: > > I have a question : who needs to put 10,000 files in a single folder ? > I might be wrong, but to me it sounds like a "perverted approach" of graphic > interfaces... > ... > The point I want to make is that putting 10,000 files in a single folder is > pointless (unless the content of this folder is read/written by an app only). > > If end users have to open that folder, then the content should be split in > several subfolders for more clarity and readibility. > And therefore, I don't really care if the OS I'm using will take 10 minutes > to open a folder containing 10,000 files, simply because I'll never try to > open it. JB, The slowness of the Aqua interface (even in Panther) when dealing with greater than 10,000 files is exactly why we had to develop a Rev app to manage the files. We opted to use unix shell commands behind the scenes, and still provide the users with a GUI (a fast one). Basically it is a mini-Finder, and the users love it. In a corporate environment, with both users and database apps needing to access files programmatically, sometimes the single folder approach is necessary (but not preferred). My point is that if we can fix the problem with Rev and shell scripts, Apple should be able to do a little better job. >> Another - Rev specific speed test. Write a repeat loop to create about 200 >> Rev objects on a card. Distribute them all over the card. Make it a mix of >> buttons and fields, and a few imported small gif files. Now, using the >> selection tool, select all of the elements by dragging around them. How >> long does it take for the selections to catch-up with what you selected. >> Do the same on a PC. OK... Any Questions? >> > > Yes, I have another question : if you can create a repeat loop to create 200 > objects, why can't you use a script to select them ? > IOW, why do you go the easy way to create a problem and then go the hard > way to solve it ? What I meant is (for testing) YOU could create the objects "the easy way" so that you can experience the problem. I created the objects manually in the development of a real project. The target audience was Mac and PC users. We did most of the development on OS X, and as the project became more complex and contained more objects it became extremely sluggish. When we moved the app to the PC for fine-tuning, the speed difference was overwhelmingly fast. Both the Mac and the PC are modern machines well equipped with RAM/HD/CPU. > > Thanks, > JB Roger Eller roger.e.eller at sealedair.com From scott at tactilemedia.com Thu Nov 6 10:24:22 2003 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 07:24:22 -0800 Subject: Several Windows Questions... In-Reply-To: <5FF16FB8-1049-11D8-913F-000393CFB710@rippetoe.com> Message-ID: On 11/6/03 3:07 AM, "Jason Rippetoe" wrote: > The trouble is, the dissolve (and others elsewhere in the > stack) works great on the Mac during development and on the Mac > standalones, but I'm having some troubles when testing under Windows. > Using Virtual PC with Windows XP and Windows 98, the dissolve works > normally (though slowly under emulation) yet on the PC laptop I have > here, the dissolves don't appear at all- there's just a delay during > which the dissolve would normally occur then the "AnswerBlock" image is > hidden without a visual effect. This is under Windows ME on an older > Pentium 200MHz. Is this lack of dissolves due to Windows ME? Due to the > slow processor on the laptop? Inquiring minds are looking for an answer. This could be a memory issue, but if QuickTime is installed on the problem system, then that might be the problem. Some QT effects are currently broken on Windows, so the only workaround is to disable QT effects on Windows (set the dontUseQTeffects to true). You should get a dissolve but it won't be as smooth as a QT dissolve. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design ----- E: scott at tactilemedia.com W: http://www.tactilemedia.com From klaus at major-k.de Thu Nov 6 10:33:24 2003 From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 16:33:24 +0100 Subject: Several Windows Questions... In-Reply-To: <5FF16FB8-1049-11D8-913F-000393CFB710@rippetoe.com> References: <5FF16FB8-1049-11D8-913F-000393CFB710@rippetoe.com> Message-ID: <8F752420-106E-11D8-A360-000A27B49A96@major-k.de> Hi Jason, > Hi there; > > New to Rev and trying to get the hang of things, especially related to > cross-platform issues. Welcome to the club :-) > I'm developing on Mac OS X 10.2 and then building my standalones for > Mac OS X, Windows and > Mac OS PPC. My stacks are very simple, as I am not skilled at this > stuff by any means. > Using it to build a vocabulary drill program. > > Here's the first issue: > > I have a stack that has a card for each of the vocabulary words used. > When each card is displayed, > there is an image that hides the answer to the vocabulary word > displayed. The user guesses the > answer and then clicks a button to reveal the answer and play an audio > file of the word being spoken. > The button script in use is: > > on mouseUp > play "VocabData/VocabAudio/L1Vocab36.aif" > hide image "AnswerBlock" with dissolve > end mouseUp > > Simple, no? The trouble is, the dissolve (and others elsewhere in the > stack) works great on the Mac during > development and on the Mac standalones, but I'm having some troubles > when testing under Windows. > Using Virtual PC with Windows XP and Windows 98, the dissolve works > normally (though slowly under > emulation) yet on the PC laptop I have here, the dissolves don't > appear at all- there's just a delay during > which the dissolve would normally occur then the "AnswerBlock" image > is hidden without a visual effect. > This is under Windows ME on an older Pentium 200MHz. Is this lack of > dissolves due to Windows ME? > Due to the slow processor on the laptop? Inquiring minds are looking > for an answer. This could be a QuickTime related issue... If you do not specify otherwise, RR will use QT for transitions. But, especially on older and slower PCs, it takes a little (or more ;-) time to LOAD QT. And QT is very memory/processor consuming! You can "switch off" the usage of QT, then the RR built-in effects are used. In your case the built-in dissolve is a little bit cheesy ;-) but it works... Put this in the stack script and check it again: on preopenstack set the dontuseqteffects to true ### do your stuff... end ... This way RR will not use QT for the transitions... Hope that helps... There is a trick concerning this phenomenon on: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ -> Developer Resources -> Revolution Scroll down to "QuickTime" > Next Issue: > > When running my standalone under Windows (all three flavors mentioned > above), there is no > tab in the Taskbar for my running application. Does this have anything > to do with setting the decorations to empty? I am not sure, but i think so... This is also the case when a stack is a "palette"... > Next issue: > > I have several sub-stacks in my standalone. Under Windows, each of the > substacks appears as a separate > task under the Task Manager, as if multiple programs are running. Is > this normal behavior? Yes... > Is there a way to make substacks not appear separately? Sorry, no idea. > Thanks for any help you can provide. You're welcome :-) > -Jason Regards Klaus Major klaus at major-k.de www.major-k.de From gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com Thu Nov 6 10:49:31 2003 From: gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com (Geoff Canyon) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 07:49:31 -0800 Subject: 2.1.1 better and reliable ... but In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: What problems are you having with debugging? Improvements are planned, but it does work currently. Same story with the script editor. I'm planning on improving it but it certainly works for me currently. Have you bug-reported the issues you describe with plug-ins, etc.? regards, Geoff Canyon gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com On Nov 6, 2003, at 7:21 AM, xbury.cs at clearstream.com wrote: > No debugging, buggy editor (indents, losing scripts, etc, etc...), > different GUI results between IDE and runtime, some plug-in msgs dont > work, > very very slow selection of multiple controls, unfortunately I dont > have > time to > spend debugging RR as I did MC's IDE! From alrice at arcplanning.com Thu Nov 6 11:37:29 2003 From: alrice at arcplanning.com (Alex Rice) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 09:37:29 -0700 Subject: Fixed width fonts on the PC In-Reply-To: <8C4AB8F4-104C-11D8-A360-000A27B49A96@major-k.de> References: <8C4AB8F4-104C-11D8-A360-000A27B49A96@major-k.de> Message-ID: <830EB9DC-1077-11D8-AD52-000393C4760A@arcplanning.com> On Nov 6, 2003, at 4:29 AM, Klaus Major wrote: > -> Courier New > > Ugly, but present on win :-) Courier and Courier New? I can't remember which I'm using. Alex Rice | Mindlube Software | what a waste of thumbs that are opposable to make machines that are disposable -Ani DiFranco From alex at mindlube.com Thu Nov 6 11:40:56 2003 From: alex at mindlube.com (Alex Rice) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 09:40:56 -0700 Subject: Making Windows application icons on Mac In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Nov 6, 2003, at 7:30 AM, Ivers, Doug E wrote: > iconographer is only $15; unfortunately, I haven't been able to create > a .ico that is 744 bytes yet. It doesn't *have* to be 744 bytes. I have a 766 byte .ico file that Revolution happily uses for my Windows build. The Revolution error message might be better worded- "Your .ico is invalid. A valid .ico might me 744 bytes, or 766, or something else. " :-) Alex Rice | Mindlube Software | what a waste of thumbs that are opposable to make machines that are disposable -Ani DiFranco From alex at mindlube.com Thu Nov 6 11:44:36 2003 From: alex at mindlube.com (Alex Rice) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 09:44:36 -0700 Subject: Can cards in a stack be of different sizes In-Reply-To: <556CDB6A-1067-11D8-9CEC-003065683ECC@inspiredlogic.com> References: <556CDB6A-1067-11D8-9CEC-003065683ECC@inspiredlogic.com> Message-ID: <819B57C3-1078-11D8-AD52-000393C4760A@mindlube.com> On Nov 6, 2003, at 7:41 AM, Geoff Canyon wrote: > FYI, I believe this is going to be changing as we move forward. Like > OS X with Aqua, all the OSes are making it harder and harder to > emulate them correctly. Geoff- that's great. It will be good to get that platform look and feel right by going "native". And makes me a bit nervous. Just thinking about Realbasic running on Win32. It uses native widgets and it was a crash-fest (or used to be)! I hope you guys have some serious QA in place! Rev The appearance manager stuff has had the kinks worked out over a long period. Anyways, I'm glad to hear it. Alex Rice | Mindlube Software | what a waste of thumbs that are opposable to make machines that are disposable -Ani DiFranco From Mark.Powell at veritas.com Thu Nov 6 11:56:35 2003 From: Mark.Powell at veritas.com (Mark Powell) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 08:56:35 -0800 Subject: Hand in the script editior Message-ID: Rev is very intuitive. It must have sensed that you needed a hand... -----Original Message----- From: Ken Norris [mailto:pixelbird at interisland.net] Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 9:59 PM To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Subject: Hand in the script editior Hello, Hmmm. I was just now fiddling with scripts, and I got a hand cursor in the editor and couldn't place the blinking I-beam in the middle of a line where I wanted it. But the hand disappeared as I moved out of the middle of the line, and I could place the cursor at the end. Very strange. I had to close the editor and reopen to get it to respond properly. Has anyone else experienced that? Not a big deal, just curious what was happening. TIA, Ken N. _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From klaus at major-k.de Thu Nov 6 12:00:48 2003 From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 18:00:48 +0100 Subject: Fixed width fonts on the PC In-Reply-To: <830EB9DC-1077-11D8-AD52-000393C4760A@arcplanning.com> References: <8C4AB8F4-104C-11D8-A360-000A27B49A96@major-k.de> <830EB9DC-1077-11D8-AD52-000393C4760A@arcplanning.com> Message-ID: Hi Alex, > On Nov 6, 2003, at 4:29 AM, Klaus Major wrote: >> -> Courier New >> Ugly, but present on win :-) > Courier and Courier New? I can't remember which I'm using. On the mac it may be "Courier"... "Courier New" is more common on win. But none of them will ever win a beauty-contest :-D > Alex Rice | Mindlube Software | > Regards Klaus Major klaus at major-k.de www.major-k.de From alrice at arcplanning.com Thu Nov 6 12:01:22 2003 From: alrice at arcplanning.com (Alex Rice) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 10:01:22 -0700 Subject: Hand in the script editior In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Nov 5, 2003, at 9:59 PM, Ken Norris wrote: > Hello, > > Hmmm. I was just now fiddling with scripts, and I got a hand cursor in > the > editor and couldn't place the blinking I-beam in the middle of a line > where > I wanted it. But the hand disappeared as I moved out of the middle of > the > line, and I could place the cursor at the end. Very strange. I had to > close > the editor and reopen to get it to respond properly. > > Has anyone else experienced that? Not a big deal, just curious what was > happening. Ken, there was a bugzilla bug about a mysterious button in the middle of the script editor. (really) You might want to check your Rev version against that bug. Alex Rice, Software Developer Architectural Research Consultants, Inc. From x at monsieurx.com Thu Nov 6 12:27:52 2003 From: x at monsieurx.com (MisterX) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 18:27:52 +0100 Subject: Fixed width fonts on the PC In-Reply-To: Message-ID: this may be a tip that works but I cant test it ;( Arial 11 was the best font combo for crossplatform FileMaker PRO apps to use. Maybe it can work for MC/RR too!? thanks for any results... RR MacOS apps have a definitive advantage in looks here! cheers Xavier From alex at mindlube.com Thu Nov 6 12:46:44 2003 From: alex at mindlube.com (Alex Rice) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 10:46:44 -0700 Subject: Fixed width fonts on the PC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2FFAF751-1081-11D8-9491-000393C4760A@mindlube.com> On Nov 6, 2003, at 10:27 AM, MisterX wrote: > this may be a tip that works but I cant test it ;( > > Arial 11 was the best font combo for crossplatform FileMaker PRO apps > to > use. Maybe it can work for MC/RR too!? But not for fixed width. Both work good cross-platform (Win-Mac) Arial for variable width Courier New for fixed width. Alex Rice | Mindlube Software | what a waste of thumbs that are opposable to make machines that are disposable -Ani DiFranco From x at monsieurx.com Thu Nov 6 13:04:55 2003 From: x at monsieurx.com (MisterX) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 19:04:55 +0100 Subject: Fixed width fonts on the PC In-Reply-To: <2FFAF751-1081-11D8-9491-000393C4760A@mindlube.com> Message-ID: bitmap fonts were so great! > -----Original Message----- > From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com > [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com]On Behalf Of Alex Rice > Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 18:47 > To: How to use Revolution > Subject: Re: Fixed width fonts on the PC > > > > On Nov 6, 2003, at 10:27 AM, MisterX wrote: > > > this may be a tip that works but I cant test it ;( > > > > Arial 11 was the best font combo for crossplatform FileMaker PRO apps > > to > > use. Maybe it can work for MC/RR too!? > > But not for fixed width. Both work good cross-platform (Win-Mac) > > Arial for variable width > Courier New for fixed width. > > Alex Rice | Mindlube Software | > > > what a waste of thumbs that are opposable > to make machines that are disposable -Ani DiFranco > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From lafourcade.romain at numericable.fr Thu Nov 6 13:13:47 2003 From: lafourcade.romain at numericable.fr (Romain Lafourcade) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 19:13:47 +0100 Subject: use-revolution Digest, Vol 2, Issue 33 In-Reply-To: <20031106170017.6BC8D93006F@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: Another fixed width font on PC is "Lucida console". this one looks quite good... -- Romain lafourcade http://www.100mo.net/ From rogerguay at centurytel.net Thu Nov 6 13:40:28 2003 From: rogerguay at centurytel.net (Roger Guay) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 10:40:28 -0800 Subject: revGoURL help Message-ID: I've got a file "Gen.html" on my desktop (OS X) along with my RunRev application. The following script will open "Gen.html" while in Runtime but the Standalone does not work: on mouseUp set the itemDelimiter to "/" put (item 1 to -2 of the effective fileName of this stack)&"/" into myFolderName get "file:"&myFolderName&"gen.html" revGoURL it --- This works in Runtime but not in standalone end mouseUp I do have Internet Script Libraries checked in the Distribution Builder. Can anyone help? Thanks, Roger From wmb at internettrainer.com Thu Nov 6 13:30:19 2003 From: wmb at internettrainer.com (Wolfgang M.Bereuter) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 19:30:19 +0100 Subject: Develop on Windows or Mac In-Reply-To: <619E1483-0FEF-11D8-8430-000393C4760A@arcplanning.com> References: <3996AE5EBEF964418D80953BDCABFF5606AB1E75@ex1.asurite.ad.asu.edu> <619E1483-0FEF-11D8-8430-000393C4760A@arcplanning.com> Message-ID: <466C92B4-1087-11D8-BFA6-003065430226@internettrainer.com> On 06.11.2003, at 01:23, Alex Rice wrote: > On thing I'm not sure about: must the OS X build be separate, because > it has a whole new binary format? Or is the PPC build "Carbonized" so > it can run on OS X and Mac OS? It seems carbonized but I saw some features not working in a fat build opened in OS X. But this could depend on the releases of the Distribution builder. Imho I would build it for OSX to be on the safe side... regards Wolfgang M. Bereuter Learn easy with trainingsmaps? INTERNETTRAINER Wolfgang M. Bereuter Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria ............................... http://www.internettrainer.com, wmb at internettrainer.com ............................... Tel: ++43/1/ 961 0418, Fax: ++43/1/ 479 2539 From steve at hybride.com Thu Nov 6 10:25:48 2003 From: steve at hybride.com (Steve Pelchat) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 10:25:48 -0500 Subject: SQL ! Message-ID: <200311061025.AA665583768@mail1.intranet.hybride.com> Hi , i have a problem when i compile my software ..... Ok i have 2 stacks that i use my Database SQL.... only my main stack work ... anyone knows why my second stack don't work with my Database SQL.??. It's only when i compile , that's doesn't work, when i try with Revolution, it's works !!! Thanks for your help !! From ambassador at fourthworld.com Thu Nov 6 13:56:24 2003 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 10:56:24 -0800 Subject: Develop on Windows or Mac In-Reply-To: <466C92B4-1087-11D8-BFA6-003065430226@internettrainer.com> Message-ID: Wolfgang M.Bereuter wrote: > > On 06.11.2003, at 01:23, Alex Rice wrote: > >> On thing I'm not sure about: must the OS X build be separate, because >> it has a whole new binary format? Or is the PPC build "Carbonized" so >> it can run on OS X and Mac OS? > > It seems carbonized but I saw some features not working in a fat build > opened in OS X. But this could depend on the releases of the > Distribution builder. > Imho I would build it for OSX to be on the safe side... Absolutely. Carbon is a patch for transition only, and the OS' supporting API remains incomplete and will likely never be fixed given Apple's strong push to kill OS 9 ASAP. Among other nuances are path issues: paths are very different in OS X and OS 9, yet when running in the Classic layer the OS/Rev returns OS X-style paths. :( -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation ___________________________________________________________ Ambassador at FourthWorld.com http://www.FourthWorld.com Tel: 323-225-3717 AIM: FourthWorldInc From tereza at attainmentcompany.com Thu Nov 6 13:58:57 2003 From: tereza at attainmentcompany.com (Tereza Snyder) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 12:58:57 -0600 Subject: revGoURL help In-Reply-To: Message-ID: on 11.06.03 12:40 PM, Roger Guay wrote: > I've got a file "Gen.html" on my desktop (OS X) along with my RunRev > application. The following script will open "Gen.html" while in > Runtime but the Standalone does not work: > > on mouseUp > set the itemDelimiter to "/" > put (item 1 to -2 of the effective fileName of this stack)&"/" into > myFolderName > get "file:"&myFolderName&"gen.html" > revGoURL it --- This works in Runtime but not in standalone > end mouseUp You might try: if last item of myFolderName is "contents" then -- in a bundle format put item 1 to -2 of myFolderName into myFolderName end if + Tereza Snyder + Senior Software Developer + Attainment Company, Inc. + + 800.327.4269 From klaus at major-k.de Thu Nov 6 14:04:24 2003 From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 20:04:24 +0100 Subject: revGoURL help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0997F1E4-108C-11D8-A360-000A27B49A96@major-k.de> Hi Roger, > I've got a file "Gen.html" on my desktop (OS X) along with my RunRev > application. > The following script will open "Gen.html" while in Runtime but the > Standalone does not work: > > on mouseUp > set the itemDelimiter to "/" > put (item 1 to -2 of the effective fileName of this stack)&"/" into > myFolderName > get "file:"&myFolderName&"gen.html" > revGoURL it --- This works in Runtime but not in standalone > end mouseUp > > I do have Internet Script Libraries checked in the Distribution > Builder. Can anyone help? Sounds like a path problem... On OS X things are a little different than on other platforms ;-) When in dev-mode "item 1 to -2 of the effective fileName of this stack" will return what you exspect... But when you build a standalone this will return something what you obviously don't exspect... (And now to something completely different! :-) You have to see it to believe it ;-) Control-Click your standalone and select "Show contents" (or something like this...) Then this folder will open and reveal another folder "Contents"... Another doubleclick will reveal 2 more folders and some files... Open the folder "MacOS" and you will find a file named "Revolution"... Now THIS is your original stack you build the standalone from, with the engine wrapped around it... And THIS FOLDER (Appname.app/Contents/MacOS/)!!! is what "item 1 to -2 of the effective fileName of this stack" will return in an OS X standalone... So what can you do? In this case "the directory" will be the right place :-) A.k.a "the defaultfolder" or "the folder" Try this (i do it all the time and it works fine :-D) on mouseUp set the itemDelimiter to "/" if the environment = "development" then put (item 1 to -2 of the effective fileName of this stack)&"/" into myFolderName get "file:"&myFolderName&"gen.html" else get "file:gen.html" ##no need to specify a folder, since we ARE in the correct folder automatically end if revGoURL it --- This works in Runtime but not in standalone end mouseup See the RR dictionary for "environment" Hope that helps... > Thanks, Roger Regards Klaus Major klaus at major-k.de www.major-k.de From alex at mindlube.com Thu Nov 6 14:06:34 2003 From: alex at mindlube.com (Alex Rice) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 12:06:34 -0700 Subject: revGoURL help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <56E34C8A-108C-11D8-9491-000393C4760A@mindlube.com> On Nov 6, 2003, at 11:40 AM, Roger Guay wrote: > I've got a file "Gen.html" on my desktop (OS X) along with my RunRev > application. The following script will open "Gen.html" while in > Runtime but the Standalone does not work: Roger, I think in an OS X standalone, the defaultFolder refers to the folder the app bundle is in, but the filename of this stack refers to the executable inside the app bundle. So try the defaultFolder, or try using SpecialFolderPath() if it really is the desktop you want to lookup. Alex Rice | Mindlube Software | what a waste of thumbs that are opposable to make machines that are disposable -Ani DiFranco From tereza at attainmentcompany.com Thu Nov 6 14:07:45 2003 From: tereza at attainmentcompany.com (Tereza Snyder) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 13:07:45 -0600 Subject: revGoURL help In-Reply-To: Message-ID: on 11.06.03 12:58 PM, Tereza Snyder wrote: >> I've got a file "Gen.html" on my desktop (OS X) along with my RunRev >> application. The following script will open "Gen.html" while in >> Runtime but the Standalone does not work: >> >> on mouseUp >> set the itemDelimiter to "/" >> put (item 1 to -2 of the effective fileName of this stack)&"/" into >> myFolderName >> get "file:"&myFolderName&"gen.html" >> revGoURL it --- This works in Runtime but not in standalone >> end mouseUp > > You might try: > > if last item of myFolderName is "contents" then -- in a bundle format > put item 1 to -2 of myFolderName into myFolderName > end if > OOPS! Hasty post! correction: if item -2 of myFolderName is "contents" then -- in a bundle format put item 1 to -4 of myFolderName into myFolderName end if + Tereza Snyder + Senior Software Developer + Attainment Company, Inc. + + 800.327.4269 From klaus at major-k.de Thu Nov 6 14:10:04 2003 From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 20:10:04 +0100 Subject: SQL ! In-Reply-To: <200311061025.AA665583768@mail1.intranet.hybride.com> References: <200311061025.AA665583768@mail1.intranet.hybride.com> Message-ID: Hi Steve, > Hi , i have a problem when i compile my software ..... > > Ok i have 2 stacks that i use my Database SQL.... only my main stack > work ... > anyone knows why my second stack don't work with my Database SQL.??. > > It's only when i compile , that's doesn't work, when i try with > Revolution, it's works !!! I guess only your mainstack has set the external property set... Put this into the stackscript of your second (not yet databasing) stack and see if it works... On preopenstack start usingstack "name of mainstack here" ... end preopenstack "start using stack xxx" will also "share" externals set in this stack... ...and functions and handlers, of course ;-) > Thanks for your help !! Hope this HELPED ;-) Regards Klaus Major klaus at major-k.de www.major-k.de From klaus at major-k.de Thu Nov 6 14:14:01 2003 From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 20:14:01 +0100 Subject: SQL ! In-Reply-To: References: <200311061025.AA665583768@mail1.intranet.hybride.com> Message-ID: <614177C6-108D-11D8-A360-000A27B49A96@major-k.de> Hi Steve, TYPO alarm!!! :-) ... > On preopenstack > start usingstack "name of mainstack here" start using stack "name of mainstack here" ### 2 words! ... Regards Klaus Major klaus at major-k.de www.major-k.de From diskot123 at juno.com Thu Nov 6 14:14:01 2003 From: diskot123 at juno.com (diskot123 at juno.com) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 19:14:01 GMT Subject: use-revolution Digest, Vol 2, Issue 33 Message-ID: <20031106.111406.9511.170936@webmail08.lax.untd.com> >Just thinking about Realbasic >running on Win32. It uses native widgets and it was a crash-fest (or >used to be)! I hope you guys have some serious QA in place! Rev The >appearance manager stuff has had the kinks worked out over a long >period. Well we redesigned the way themes are done in general. Scott did a great job, but it was obvious looking at the code that it was designed to support possibly one or two themes and dozens of things were hard coded, and mixed with the actual control functionality, which made it difficult to support additional themes or changes to existing themes. By modularizing it (so for instance we don't need to retest the entire scrollbar code to support a theme which has doublearrows and a small thumb), it will enable us to support additional themes quicker (both native and emulated), things like pulsating buttons and animated progress bars, hovering, and may even allow scripters to design their own custom themes by passing metrics and pixmaps. Tuviah From alex at mindlube.com Thu Nov 6 14:31:09 2003 From: alex at mindlube.com (Alex Rice) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 12:31:09 -0700 Subject: themese and widgets In-Reply-To: <20031106.111406.9511.170936@webmail08.lax.untd.com> References: <20031106.111406.9511.170936@webmail08.lax.untd.com> Message-ID: On Nov 6, 2003, at 12:14 PM, diskot123 at juno.com wrote: > Well we redesigned the way themes are done in general. Scott did a > great job, but it was obvious looking at the code that it was designed > to support possibly one or two themes and dozens of things were hard > coded, and mixed with the actual control functionality, which made it > difficult to support additional themes or changes to existing themes. > > By modularizing it (so for instance we don't need to retest the entire > scrollbar code to support a theme which has doublearrows and a small > thumb), it will enable us to support additional themes quicker (both > native and emulated), things like pulsating buttons and animated > progress bars, hovering, and may even allow scripters to design their > own custom themes by passing metrics and pixmaps. > > Tuviah > Wow- good work Tuviah, Scott, et al. I can't wait to see this stuff in action. Alex Rice | Mindlube Software | what a waste of thumbs that are opposable to make machines that are disposable -Ani DiFranco From rogerguay at centurytel.net Thu Nov 6 14:46:36 2003 From: rogerguay at centurytel.net (Roger Guay) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 11:46:36 -0800 Subject: revGoURL help In-Reply-To: <20031106190704.B981793008D@mail.runrev.com> References: <20031106190704.B981793008D@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: Thanks very much, Klaus but I get the same result with your script. My file is still on the desktop . . . is that OK? Roger > > Message: 11 > Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 20:04:24 +0100 > From: Klaus Major > Subject: Re: revGoURL help > To: How to use Revolution > Message-ID: <0997F1E4-108C-11D8-A360-000A27B49A96 at major-k.de> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > Hi Roger, > >> I've got a file "Gen.html" on my desktop (OS X) along with my RunRev >> application. >> The following script will open "Gen.html" while in Runtime but the >> Standalone does not work: >> >> on mouseUp >> set the itemDelimiter to "/" >> put (item 1 to -2 of the effective fileName of this stack)&"/" into >> myFolderName >> get "file:"&myFolderName&"gen.html" >> revGoURL it --- This works in Runtime but not in standalone >> end mouseUp >> >> I do have Internet Script Libraries checked in the Distribution >> Builder. Can anyone help? > > Sounds like a path problem... > > On OS X things are a little different than on other platforms ;-) > > When in dev-mode "item 1 to -2 of the effective fileName of this stack" > will return > what you exspect... > > But when you build a standalone this will return something what you > obviously > don't exspect... (And now to something completely different! :-) > > You have to see it to believe it ;-) > > Control-Click your standalone and select "Show contents" (or something > like this...) > Then this folder will open and reveal another folder "Contents"... > Another doubleclick will reveal 2 more folders and some files... > > Open the folder "MacOS" and you will find a file named "Revolution"... > > Now THIS is your original stack you build the standalone from, with the > engine > wrapped around it... > > And THIS FOLDER (Appname.app/Contents/MacOS/)!!! is what > "item 1 to -2 of the effective fileName of this stack" > will return in an OS X standalone... > > So what can you do? > > In this case "the directory" will be the right place :-) > A.k.a "the defaultfolder" or "the folder" > > Try this (i do it all the time and it works fine :-D) > > on mouseUp > set the itemDelimiter to "/" > if the environment = "development" then > put (item 1 to -2 of the effective fileName of this stack)&"/" > into myFolderName > get "file:"&myFolderName&"gen.html" > else > get "file:gen.html" > ##no need to specify a folder, since we ARE in the correct > folder > automatically > end if > revGoURL it --- This works in Runtime but not in standalone > end mouseup > > See the RR dictionary for "environment" > > Hope that helps... > >> Thanks, Roger > > Regards > > Klaus Major > klaus at major-k.de > www.major-k.de > From klaus at major-k.de Thu Nov 6 15:02:34 2003 From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 21:02:34 +0100 Subject: revGoURL help In-Reply-To: References: <20031106190704.B981793008D@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <298AC36B-1094-11D8-A360-000A27B49A96@major-k.de> Hi Roger, > Thanks very much, Klaus but I get the same result with your script. Hmmm... > My file is still on the desktop . . . is that OK? Yes, as long as your standalone is also on the desktop... Means as long they are in the same folder it should work. > Roger Regards Klaus Major klaus at major-k.de www.major-k.de From rogerguay at centurytel.net Thu Nov 6 15:22:28 2003 From: rogerguay at centurytel.net (Roger Guay) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 12:22:28 -0800 Subject: revGoURL help Message-ID: Thanks to all for a lot of useful information, but I'm still not achieving my goal. Which is to build a Standalone for Mac and PC and to have each of these to be able to open a file "Gen.html". > I've got a file "Gen.html" on my desktop (OS X) along with my RunRev > application. The following script will open "Gen.html" while in > Runtime but the Standalone does not work: > > on mouseUp > set the itemDelimiter to "/" > put (item 1 to -2 of the effective fileName of this stack)&"/" into > myFolderName > get "file:"&myFolderName&"gen.html" > revGoURL it --- This works in Runtime but not in standalone > end mouseUp > > I do have Internet Script Libraries checked in the Distribution > Builder. Can anyone help? I now understand what Klaus and others are saying about file path problems, but how can I package my standalones (Mac and PC) with a file "GenHTML" and have them able to locate and open this file? Your help is much appreciated! Roger From jbv.silences at Club-Internet.fr Thu Nov 6 15:36:45 2003 From: jbv.silences at Club-Internet.fr (jbv) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 21:36:45 +0100 Subject: semit OT : networking old Macs - how to ? Message-ID: <3FAAB0DD.58834B50@Club-Internet.fr> Hi again, I got so many answers to my first post that I thought that describing my project publicly would avoid to run 15 individual discussions simultaneously... Furthermore, as it has some relationship with Rev (see below), it's not 100% off-topic after all... So if you think your answer can be of general interest, then send it to the list; otherwise please reply off-list. ------------ My project is to recycle old Nubus Macs (IIfx, quadras and early PPCs - number : 3 to 10) by setting up some kind of cluster, and use the processing power for various distributed tasks such as 3D rendering with NetRenderman, but also custom apps that could be developped with MC/Rev. I won't describe the kind of apps (this isn't clear yet), but some would involve musical projects using Nubus sound cards such as SampleCell... Yes, I know what some list members are already thinking : some of these tasks can be done with only 1 of the most recent Macs. But the latest (and expensive) machines can be better used for more productive (and lucrative) tasks than weird experiments... Anyway. Now the questions : having a long experience on Mac, I know how to network them with LocalTalk. But for this kind of setup, ethernet looks like a better option. Last but not least, I'd like to use the central units only. Those would run MacOS 7.5 to 8.1 1) I've been thinking of setting up Ethernet connections using old Ethernet cards (that can be found for almost nothing these days on eBay and other websites). Of course that would waste 1 Nubus slot on each machine, but I guess I have no other option... I'm also wondering which drivers I should use, where to download them (I guess the Apple website features everything I need) and possible compatibility problems... 2) I'd like to be able to manage the whole cluster from only 1 kbd / mouse / monitor. Years ago I used to run Timbuktu to control remote machines, but I guess that other cheaper / freeware solutions exist now... Perhaps could I build a front end with Rev... 3) as for of custom apps made with MC/Rev, one copy would run on each machine, but they should be able to exchange messages and/or raw data between each other. I guess Apple Events are the most obvious option, but are sockets also possible ? 4) MIDI is also on my list of options. I know how to setup MIDI between various hardware, but I'm not too sure how it can be mixed with ethernet... I have the feeling I could bypass MIDI and exchange raw data through ethernet... I found some valuable suggestions on this site : http://njcc.com/~hjohnson/mac.html but would apreciate any other suggestion, if anyone has some experience in that field... Thanks a bunch, JB From jbv.silences at Club-Internet.fr Thu Nov 6 15:40:39 2003 From: jbv.silences at Club-Internet.fr (jbv) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 21:40:39 +0100 Subject: Resizing content of a group Message-ID: <3FAAB1C6.3726C65F@Club-Internet.fr> Suddenly I have a blank : I have a group made of several fields, and would like the content of that group to be resized when the rect of the group is modified... I tried several combinations with locklocation of fields and / or group set to true or false, I looked for a property that can do that, I searched the MC archives, but didn't find anything... Any suggestion ? Thanks in advance, JB From tereza at attainmentcompany.com Thu Nov 6 15:48:54 2003 From: tereza at attainmentcompany.com (Tereza Snyder) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 14:48:54 -0600 Subject: revGoURL help In-Reply-To: Message-ID: on 11.06.03 2:22 PM, Roger Guay wrote: > I now understand what Klaus and others are saying about file path > problems, but how can I package my standalones (Mac and PC) with a file > "GenHTML" and have them able to locate and open this file? I solve the problem of packaging files, resources, and auxiliary stacks with a RunRev/metaCard standalone by using a MacOS X bundle format for ALL platforms. Of course, it works AS A BUNDLE (that is, a folder that looks to the user like an application they can double-click) only on MacOS X (and Classic). I put auxiliary stacks, graphics files, sound files, etc. in appropriate folders inside the "resources" folder, which is inside the "contents" folder, which is inside the bundle. In Windows, the bundle looks like a folder named "MyApp.app". I install a shortcut for the user to click somewhere outside the bundle (maybe in the "programs" folder). The shortcut points to the application which lives inside the bundle folder, in a "Win32" folder inside the "Contents" folder. What this gets me is a straightforward and consistent way to calculate paths to everything I need, on all platforms, AND a way to put the application on a mixed Mac/Windows LAN or dual-platform CD without duplicating resources. While I'm developing, I keep all the resources that will go into the bundle in a folder named "resources" next to my to-be-made-into-a-standalone stack. When that stack opens - in development or as a standalone - it checks to see whether it's in a bundle (by looking for a "contents" folder) then sets its path variables appropriately. t + Tereza Snyder + Senior Software Developer + Attainment Company, Inc. + + 800.327.4269 From Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com Thu Nov 6 15:52:33 2003 From: Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com (Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 15:52:33 -0500 Subject: revGoURL help Message-ID: > on mouseUp > set the itemDelimiter to "/" > put (item 1 to -2 of the effective fileName of this stack)&"/" into > myFolderName > get "file:"&myFolderName&"gen.html" > revGoURL it --- This works in Runtime but not in standalone > end mouseUp on mouseUp set the itemDelimiter to "/" put (item 1 to -2 of the effective fileName of this stack) & "/" into myFolderName put QUOTE & "file://" & myFolderName & "gen.html" & QUOTE into tUrl revGoURL tUrl --- Try it this way end mouseUp Roger Eller roger.e.eller at sealedair.com From alex at mindlube.com Thu Nov 6 16:04:15 2003 From: alex at mindlube.com (Alex Rice) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 14:04:15 -0700 Subject: [OT] Flash Killer? In-Reply-To: <9104316A-0065-11D8-A5CE-000393529642@mindlube.com> References: <9104316A-0065-11D8-A5CE-000393529642@mindlube.com> Message-ID: On Oct 16, 2003, at 11:48 PM, Alex Rice wrote: > Keep an eye on > > The creators of Expression, a fine vector+bitmap illustration > software, are coming out with LivingCels, a 2D animation system. > Really some amazing stuff! Kind of like Flash + Illustrator, but lean > and mean, with a next gen graphics concept called "skeletal strokes". Oh geez. This is bizarre. 1) Microsoft is buying Creaturehouse (who wrote Fractal Design Expression, Expression, and the not yet released Living Cels which I posted about a couple of weeks ago (see above). 2) Microsoft announces a "Flash Killer" to be included Longhorn 1 + 2 = no Expression or Living Cels for Mac Users? Anyways- I thought it would be of interest since there a lot of multimedia folk on the list. Alex Rice | Mindlube Software | what a waste of thumbs that are opposable to make machines that are disposable -Ani DiFranco From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu Thu Nov 6 16:05:10 2003 From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 13:05:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: using stacks online In-Reply-To: <1EDA3BCE-1017-11D8-B9BC-000A27D75508@messimercomputing.com> Message-ID: Same here... Judy On Thu, 6 Nov 2003, Stephen Messimer wrote: > Hi, > > I vaguely remember that someone was using Revolution stacks over the > web in such a way that the stack was useable but wasn't actually > downloaded to the end-user. > > I would really appreciate it if someone could give me a little > direction regarding how to implement such an arrangement. > > Thanks, > > Steve > > Stephen R. Messimer, PA > 208 1st Ave. South > Escanaba, MI 49829 > www.messimercomputing.com > -- > Build Computer-Based Training modules FAST with preceptorTools? -- > version 1.0 coming soon! > -- > Macintosh G-4 OSX 10.2.6, OS 9.2.2, 512MB RAM, Rev 2.0.2 > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From jlrodrig at ariadna.d5.ub.es Thu Nov 6 16:15:10 2003 From: jlrodrig at ariadna.d5.ub.es (Jos=?ISO-8859-1?B?6SBMLiBSb2Ry7Q==?=guez Illera) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 22:15:10 +0100 Subject: Problem with QT Windows In-Reply-To: <20031106190705.2002E930091@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: Hi, I have a problem with QT Windows: Create a player, name it "alfa", show controller to true, link an audio or video file, and put this as script: on mousedoubleup stop player "alfa" hide player "alfa" end mousedoubleup It works when you double-click on the player rect, but if the user doubleclick on the QT controller bar then you get a crash, closing Revolution and quitting (with the option to send an error description to Microsoft). It does not happen on Mac OSX, just tried on XP. It is not an IDE problem, same behavior with Metacard. May anyone else confirm this behavior? Thanks! Jose L. Rodriguez From ambassador at fourthworld.com Thu Nov 6 16:37:27 2003 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 13:37:27 -0800 Subject: using stacks online In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Judy Perry wrote: > Same here... > > Judy > > On Thu, 6 Nov 2003, Stephen Messimer wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I vaguely remember that someone was using Revolution stacks over the >> web in such a way that the stack was useable but wasn't actually >> downloaded to the end-user. >> >> I would really appreciate it if someone could give me a little >> direction regarding how to implement such an arrangement. RevNet has exposed source you can borrow from: see Development->Plugins->GoRevNet -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation ___________________________________________________________ Ambassador at FourthWorld.com http://www.FourthWorld.com Tel: 323-225-3717 AIM: FourthWorldInc From klaus at major-k.de Thu Nov 6 16:38:18 2003 From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 22:38:18 +0100 Subject: using stacks online In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8945A045-10A1-11D8-A360-000A27B49A96@major-k.de> Hi Judy and Steven, > Same here... > > Judy > > On Thu, 6 Nov 2003, Stephen Messimer wrote: >> Hi, >> I vaguely remember that someone was using Revolution stacks over the >> web in such a way that the stack was useable but wasn't actually >> downloaded to the end-user. >> >> I would really appreciate it if someone could give me a little >> direction regarding how to implement such an arrangement. Do you mean this one: http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~tfurukaw/RunRev/dbindex.html ??? Or do you mean: go stack "http://www.xyz.com/staxx/your_stack.rev" ##? In this case the stack will of course be downloaded, but only into memory... And is gone after quitting unless you provide a "save" button or something like that... >> Thanks, Hope that helps... >> Steve Regards Klaus Major klaus at major-k.de www.major-k.de From scott at tactilemedia.com Thu Nov 6 16:44:50 2003 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 13:44:50 -0800 Subject: semit OT : networking old Macs - how to ? In-Reply-To: <3FAAB0DD.58834B50@Club-Internet.fr> Message-ID: On 11/6/03 12:36 PM, "jbv" wrote: > 1) I've been thinking of setting up Ethernet connections using old > Ethernet cards (that can be found for almost nothing these days > on eBay and other websites). Of course that would waste 1 Nubus > slot on each machine, but I guess I have no other option... > I'm also wondering which drivers I should use, where to download > them (I guess the Apple website features everything I need) > and possible compatibility problems... I don't think you need any special drivers at all. Until recently I had a Quadra 950 networked via coaxial cable to a wide range of machines/systems on cat 5 ethernet -- the only thing you need is an ethernet transceiver since old style 10baseT ethernet ports are already available on the old machines. The drivers are built into the OS (ethernet system extension that ships with the OS). You can also look at a serial-to-ethernet box (I believe Asante makes this but not sure) that allows you to connect to an ethernet network via a serial port. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design ----- E: scott at tactilemedia.com W: http://www.tactilemedia.com From scott at tactilemedia.com Thu Nov 6 16:49:56 2003 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 13:49:56 -0800 Subject: using stacks online In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 11/6/03 1:05 PM, "Judy Perry" wrote: > Same here... > > Judy > > On Thu, 6 Nov 2003, Stephen Messimer wrote: >> I vaguely remember that someone was using Revolution stacks over the >> web in such a way that the stack was useable but wasn't actually >> downloaded to the end-user. >> >> I would really appreciate it if someone could give me a little >> direction regarding how to implement such an arrangement. As Richard posted, see RevNet for a great example. We have an example as well (http://www.tactilemedia.com/download) as do others on the list. I believe this type of thing is what you are after. My understanding is, the use of go or load url will load a stack into a local cache that is not accessible from the drive until the stack is manually saved out of the cache. Folks here can correct me if this is not accurate. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design ----- E: scott at tactilemedia.com W: http://www.tactilemedia.com From larkbin at yahoo.co.kr Thu Nov 6 20:30:51 2003 From: larkbin at yahoo.co.kr (lbpark) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 10:30:51 +0900 Subject: Read shared memory in unix References: <20031106190705.2002E930091@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <000b01c3a4ce$c79ba370$0100a8c0@lbpark> Hi, Is it possible to read a shared memory in unix by Revolution? Or Can handle memroy address directly ? Thanks. From pixelbird at interisland.net Thu Nov 6 21:40:20 2003 From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 18:40:20 -0800 Subject: Fixed width fonts on the PC In-Reply-To: <20031106170017.04F9593006C@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: Hi Klaus, > Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 18:00:48 +0100 > From: Klaus Major > Subject: Re: Fixed width fonts on the PC > On the mac it may be "Courier"... > > "Courier New" is more common on win. > > But none of them will ever win a beauty-contest :-D ---------- If I were to build a hoizonatal scrolling text thing (before anyone says anything, I know horizontal text scrolling maybe considered a device from the Devil's workshop, but I really do have a good use for it), what fixed width/monospaced font would look half decent and perform identically on Windows, Mac OS, and Mac OSX (readability is the main factor)? Ken N. From pixelbird at interisland.net Thu Nov 6 21:45:22 2003 From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 18:45:22 -0800 Subject: Hand in the script editior In-Reply-To: <20031106190704.B981793008D@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: Hi Alex, > Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 10:01:22 -0700 > From: Alex Rice > Subject: Re: Hand in the script editior >> Has anyone else experienced that? Not a big deal, just curious what was >> happening. > > Ken, there was a bugzilla bug about a mysterious button in the middle > of the script editor. (really) You might want to check your Rev version > against that bug. ---------- OK. Didn't hear about the bug, I'll take a look. That would certainly explain it. Give this guy a hand!! ;-) Thanks, Ken N. From pixelbird at interisland.net Thu Nov 6 22:10:47 2003 From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 19:10:47 -0800 Subject: Hand in the script editior In-Reply-To: <20031106190704.B981793008D@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: Hi again, > Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 10:01:22 -0700 > From: Alex Rice > Subject: Re: Hand in the script editior > Ken, there was a bugzilla bug about a mysterious button in the middle > of the script editor. (really) You might want to check your Rev version > against that bug. ---------- Yep. Bug #156...no resolution marked, but that may have changed at 2.1 Thanks, Ken N. From pixelbird at interisland.net Thu Nov 6 22:59:10 2003 From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 19:59:10 -0800 Subject: Custom themes? In-Reply-To: <20031106205749.E6FA3930087@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: Hi Tuviah, > Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 19:14:01 GMT > From: diskot123 at juno.com > Subject: Re: use-revolution Digest, Vol 2, Issue 33 > and may even allow scripters to design their own custom themes by passing > metrics and pixmaps. ---------- Oh, oh, oh, my yes. I've had dreams about that. Rosewood window frames with black onyx inlays and polished brass controls. Stuff like that. Ken N. From pixelbird at interisland.net Thu Nov 6 23:17:07 2003 From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 20:17:07 -0800 Subject: semit OT : networking old Macs - how to ? In-Reply-To: <20031106205749.E6FA3930087@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: Hello JB, > Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 21:36:45 +0100 > From: jbv > Subject: Re: semit OT : networking old Macs - how to ? ----------- Wow! You posed some fascinating questions. I have 3 older Mac PPC's I'd like to network for power and storage, but I don't know how to take advantage. Two of them have ethernet connection cards. It'd be defintely cool to upgrade them with Sonnet G3 mainboards, but even without that, networking them with a Rev system overlay for a set of specific purposes would be the berries! Another real good reason for using Linux for the Mac, too. According to some articles I've read recently, old Macs run like the wind on Linux. Except RR no longer supports Linux on the Mac. Maybe we can start a grass roots campaign to return Rev Linux support to the Mac (hint, hint ;-) Ken N. Ken N. From rogerguay at centurytel.net Thu Nov 6 20:34:15 2003 From: rogerguay at centurytel.net (Roger Guay) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 17:34:15 -0800 Subject: revGoURL help In-Reply-To: <20031106205749.E6FA3930087@mail.runrev.com> References: <20031106205749.E6FA3930087@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <7F3A7E3E-10C2-11D8-8494-000393A1CAAA@centurytel.net> Thanks to all for your help on this. I think Tereza has given me what I need to know to proceed, but need to digest it to make it work for me. Please stand by and thanks again. Cheers, Roger > Message: 10 > Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 14:48:54 -0600 > From: Tereza Snyder > Subject: Re: revGoURL help > To: "use-revolution at lists.runrev.com" > > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > on 11.06.03 2:22 PM, Roger Guay wrote: > >> I now understand what Klaus and others are saying about file path >> problems, but how can I package my standalones (Mac and PC) with a >> file >> "GenHTML" and have them able to locate and open this file? > > I solve the problem of packaging files, resources, and auxiliary > stacks with > a RunRev/metaCard standalone by using a MacOS X bundle format for ALL > platforms. Of course, it works AS A BUNDLE (that is, a folder that > looks to > the user like an application they can double-click) only on MacOS X > (and > Classic). I put auxiliary stacks, graphics files, sound files, etc. in > appropriate folders inside the "resources" folder, which is inside the > "contents" folder, which is inside the bundle. > > In Windows, the bundle looks like a folder named "MyApp.app". I > install a > shortcut for the user to click somewhere outside the bundle (maybe in > the > "programs" folder). The shortcut points to the application which lives > inside the bundle folder, in a "Win32" folder inside the "Contents" > folder. > > What this gets me is a straightforward and consistent way to calculate > paths > to everything I need, on all platforms, AND a way to put the > application on > a mixed Mac/Windows LAN or dual-platform CD without duplicating > resources. > > While I'm developing, I keep all the resources that will go into the > bundle > in a folder named "resources" next to my to-be-made-into-a-standalone > stack. > When that stack opens - in development or as a standalone - it checks > to see > whether it's in a bundle (by looking for a "contents" folder) then > sets its > path variables appropriately. > > t > > > > > > > > + Tereza Snyder > + Senior Software Developer > + Attainment Company, Inc. > + > + 800.327.4269 > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 15:52:33 -0500 > From: Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com > Subject: RE: revGoURL help > To: How to use Revolution > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >> on mouseUp >> set the itemDelimiter to "/" >> put (item 1 to -2 of the effective fileName of this stack)&"/" into >> myFolderName >> get "file:"&myFolderName&"gen.html" >> revGoURL it --- This works in Runtime but not in standalone >> end mouseUp > > on mouseUp > set the itemDelimiter to "/" > put (item 1 to -2 of the effective fileName of this stack) & "/" > into > myFolderName > put QUOTE & "file://" & myFolderName & "gen.html" & QUOTE into tUrl > revGoURL tUrl --- Try it this way > end mouseUp > > Roger Eller > roger.e.eller at sealedair.com > From alex at mindlube.com Fri Nov 7 02:50:48 2003 From: alex at mindlube.com (Alex Rice) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 00:50:48 -0700 Subject: Read shared memory in unix In-Reply-To: <000b01c3a4ce$c79ba370$0100a8c0@lbpark> References: <20031106190705.2002E930091@mail.runrev.com> <000b01c3a4ce$c79ba370$0100a8c0@lbpark> Message-ID: <19E90EE9-10F7-11D8-AA2F-000393C4760A@mindlube.com> On Nov 6, 2003, at 6:30 PM, lbpark wrote: > Hi, > Is it possible to read a shared memory in unix by Revolution? > Or Can handle memroy address directly ? Hi, I'm pretty sure you would have to write a Revolution external library in C to do the system calls and put the result back into a transcript variable or array. Alex Rice | Mindlube Software | what a waste of thumbs that are opposable to make machines that are disposable -Ani DiFranco From shrap at geko.net.au Thu Nov 6 16:27:55 2003 From: shrap at geko.net.au (Neil Phillips) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 08:27:55 +1100 Subject: Converting times Message-ID: I live just south of Sydney. Jonathan's initial scripts produced the correct time on my G3 running Rev 2.1.1 on Mac OS 9.2.2. The computer is set to go to daylight saving time automatically. I don't think this is a daylight saving issue. Perhaps you should test it in OS 9.2. Cheers Neil From engleerica at yahoo.com Fri Nov 7 07:03:17 2003 From: engleerica at yahoo.com (Eric Engle) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 04:03:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: 3d Revolution/MetaCard In-Reply-To: <20031106190704.D036593008F@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <20031107120317.71316.qmail@web60501.mail.yahoo.com> How can one integrate 3d animation into metacard/revolution? (off to scour the web and the documentation) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net Fri Nov 7 08:17:38 2003 From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas J McGrath III) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 08:17:38 -0500 Subject: Resize window Message-ID: Hello Revies, I set the resizable of the main stack to false by selecting the check box in property inspector. I set the size to 800 x 600 on my 1280x854 PBG4. However, when I open my standalone on other OSX at 800 x 600 part of the window is offscreen the UIBar is in the way AND the window does resize. Is this a bug with resizing? I made the windows 800x600 thinking that it is a good standard to build with. But the window does not work on an 800x600 display. What gives? Has this been documented? Help.. TOm Thomas J McGrath III Advanced Media Group 220 Drake Rd. Bethel Park, PA 15102 3mcgrath at adelphia.net From steve at messimercomputing.com Fri Nov 7 10:07:37 2003 From: steve at messimercomputing.com (Stephen Messimer) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 10:07:37 -0500 Subject: use-revolution Digest, Vol 2, Issue 36 In-Reply-To: <20031107041606.064AD930089@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <1F97B1ED-1134-11D8-B9BC-000A27D75508@messimercomputing.com> Klaus, Thanks for the references. On Thursday, November 6, 2003, at 11:16 PM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com wrote: > Do you mean this one: > > http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~tfurukaw/RunRev/dbindex.html This is a really great cgi development reference. > > ??? > > Or do you mean: > > go stack "http://www.xyz.com/staxx/your_stack.rev" ##? > > In this case the stack will of course be downloaded, but only into > memory... > > And is gone after quitting unless you provide a "save" button or > something like that... So in the second example do you mean to say all I need to do is provide a player stack to an enduser with a button that references the desired stack stack on any public server? This seems too easy. I will try it immediately. :-) > Thanks again Thanks again. I will sing your praises at camp this weekend! Best regards Steve Stephen R. Messimer, PA 208 1st Ave. South Escanaba, MI 49829 www.messimercomputing.com -- Build Computer-Based Training modules FAST with preceptorTools? -- Public Beta available Now! -- Macintosh G-4 OSX 10.2.6, OS 9.2.2, 512MB RAM, Rev 2.0.2 From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net Fri Nov 7 10:48:52 2003 From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas J McGrath III) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 10:48:52 -0500 Subject: Need Help Resizing windows Message-ID: Hello Revies, I set the resizable of the main stack to false by selecting the check box in property inspector. I set the stack size to 800 x 600 on my 1280x854 PBG4. However, when I open my standalone on other OSX at 800 x 600 part of the window is offscreen the UIBar is in the way AND the window does resize. Items move over to the new window size from geometry pane but window should not resize. Is this a bug with resizing? I made the windows 800x600 thinking that it is a good standard to build with. But the window does not work on an 800x600 display. What gives? Has this been documented? Help.. TOm Thomas J McGrath III Advanced Media Group 220 Drake Rd. Bethel Park, PA 15102 3mcgrath at adelphia.net From klaus at major-k.de Fri Nov 7 11:11:09 2003 From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 17:11:09 +0100 Subject: use-revolution Digest, Vol 2, Issue 36 In-Reply-To: <1F97B1ED-1134-11D8-B9BC-000A27D75508@messimercomputing.com> References: <1F97B1ED-1134-11D8-B9BC-000A27D75508@messimercomputing.com> Message-ID: Hi Stephen, > Klaus, > > Thanks for the references. > On Thursday, November 6, 2003, at 11:16 PM, > use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com wrote: > >> Do you mean this one: >> http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~tfurukaw/RunRev/dbindex.html > > This is a really great cgi development reference. Cool, isn't it?!!!! >> ??? >> Or do you mean: >> go stack "http://www.xyz.com/staxx/your_stack.rev" ##? >> In this case the stack will of course be downloaded, but only into >> memory... >> And is gone after quitting unless you provide a "save" button or >> something like that... > > So in the second example do you mean to say all I need to do is > provide a player stack to an > enduser with a button that references the desired stack stack on any > public server? Yes sir! > This seems too easy. It is, Stephen, it is :-) > I will try it immediately. :-) >> Thanks again > Thanks again. I will sing your praises at camp this weekend! :-) In k-major, please :-D Have a nice weekend... > Best regards > > Steve Regards Klaus Major klaus at major-k.de www.major-k.de From jhurley at infostations.com Fri Nov 7 11:27:41 2003 From: jhurley at infostations.com (Jim Hurley) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 08:27:41 -0800 Subject: using stacks online In-Reply-To: <20031107041606.064AD930089@mail.runrev.com> References: <20031107041606.064AD930089@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: > >Klaus Major wrote: > > >Hi Judy and Steven, > >> Same here... >> >> Judy >> > > On Thu, 6 Nov 2003, Stephen Messimer wrote: > >> Hi, >>> I vaguely remember that someone was using Revolution stacks over the >>> web in such a way that the stack was useable but wasn't actually >>> downloaded to the end-user. >>> >>> I would really appreciate it if someone could give me a little > >> direction regarding how to implement such an arrangement. > >Do you mean this one: > >http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~tfurukaw/RunRev/dbindex.html > This is a revelation to me. I guess I should have figured out from Richard's GoRevNet that such web based applications were possible, but this RunRev database on the Web reveals a potential which I didn't appreciate. I am grateful for all the good information on this site, but it begins a bit beyond my level of experience. I understand in the most general terms what a server is. But I have no idea how I might turn my computer into one. Is there a terminal program on the Mac, for instance, in which one might execute the command: (chmod +x revolution)? Jim From alex at mindlube.com Fri Nov 7 11:39:36 2003 From: alex at mindlube.com (Alex Rice) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 09:39:36 -0700 Subject: 3d Revolution/MetaCard In-Reply-To: <20031107120317.71316.qmail@web60501.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031107120317.71316.qmail@web60501.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Nov 7, 2003, at 5:03 AM, Eric Engle wrote: > How can one integrate 3d animation into metacard/revolution? > > (off to scour the web and the documentation) Here is a recent announcement on this list; Alex Rice | Mindlube Software | what a waste of thumbs that are opposable to make machines that are disposable -Ani DiFranco From klaus at major-k.de Fri Nov 7 11:48:58 2003 From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 17:48:58 +0100 Subject: using stacks online In-Reply-To: References: <20031107041606.064AD930089@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <485E3452-1142-11D8-90D0-000A27B49A96@major-k.de> Hi Jim, >> Klaus Major wrote: >> ... >> Do you mean this one: >> >> http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~tfurukaw/RunRev/dbindex.html > This is a revelation to me. I guess I should have figured out from > Richard's GoRevNet that such web > based applications were possible, but this RunRev database on the Web > reveals a potential which I didn't appreciate. > > I am grateful for all the good information on this site, but it begins > a bit beyond my level of experience. > > I understand in the most general terms what a server is. But I have no > idea how I might turn my computer > into one. Is there a terminal program on the Mac, for instance, in > which one might execute the command: (chmod +x revolution)? No need for unix mysteries ;-) Check this one: http://www.soapdog.org/rev/revhttpd.html Donwload that stack, open it and click a button... Et voila -> your mac is a server :-) Although i dont know exactly what's going on there, i was very excited when it worked immediately :-) Hope that helps... > Jim Regards Klaus Major klaus at major-k.de www.major-k.de From kray at sonsothunder.com Fri Nov 7 12:52:07 2003 From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 11:52:07 -0600 Subject: Resizing content of a group In-Reply-To: <3FAAB1C6.3726C65F@Club-Internet.fr> Message-ID: <00de01c3a557$ea351130$6501a8c0@LightningFlash> Look at the "resizeControl" message that will be sent to your group when you resize it. You can then manually adjust all the children of the group according to the new group size. Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Email: kray at sonsothunder.com Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ > -----Original Message----- > From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com > [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of jbv > Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 2:41 PM > To: How to use Revolution > Subject: Resizing content of a group > > > Suddenly I have a blank : I have a group made of several > fields, and would like the content of that group to be > resized when the rect of the group is modified... I tried > several combinations with locklocation of fields and / or > group set to true or false, I looked for a property that can > do that, I searched the MC archives, but didn't find anything... > > Any suggestion ? > > Thanks in advance, > JB > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-> revolution > From paul at starytech.com Fri Nov 7 13:22:36 2003 From: paul at starytech.com (Paul Stary) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 10:22:36 -0800 Subject: use-revolution Digest, Vol 2, Issue 36 In-Reply-To: References: <1F97B1ED-1134-11D8-B9BC-000A27D75508@messimercomputing.com> Message-ID: Klaus, This works great from within Revolution, but can't build a standalone of the stack that will open a Rev stack on the remote server. Don't see how that would be possible, as a Rev stack is a Revolution file, and as such needs the application Revolution to open it. But was hoping that building a standalone with all options would provide enough of the Rev engine to work. What am I missing here? Thanks. P.S. If indeed a Rev standalone app can access Rev stacks from a remote server, this would be VERY cool! At 5:11 PM +0100 11/7/03, Klaus Major wrote: Or do you mean: go stack "http://www.xyz.com/staxx/your_stack.rev" ##? In this case the stack will of course be downloaded, but only into memory... And is gone after quitting unless you provide a "save" button or something like that... -- Paul Stary Audio-Video Engineering Voice Mail: (949) 646-8877 Fax: (949) 515-3640 From jeanne at runrev.com Fri Nov 7 13:34:07 2003 From: jeanne at runrev.com (Jeanne A. E. DeVoto) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 10:34:07 -0800 Subject: revGoURL help In-Reply-To: References: <1F97B1ED-1134-11D8-B9BC-000A27D75508@messimercomputing.com> Message-ID: At 10:22 AM -0800 11/7/2003, Paul Stary wrote: >This works great from within Revolution, but can't build a >standalone of the stack that will open a Rev stack on the remote >server. Don't see how that would be possible, as a Rev stack is a >Revolution file, and as such needs the application Revolution to >open it. But was hoping that building a standalone with all options >would provide enough of the Rev engine to work. > >What am I missing here? Make sure to include the Internet library (on the Inclusions tab in Step 3 of the Distribution Builder) when you're making your standalone and it should work. -- Jeanne DeVoto ~ jeanne at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution - User-Centric Development Tools ~~~ Check our web site for new Revolution editions & special offers ~~~ From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Fri Nov 7 13:49:23 2003 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 12:49:23 -0600 Subject: Need Help Resizing windows In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3FABE933.5080700@hyperactivesw.com> On 11/7/03 9:48 AM, Thomas J McGrath III wrote: > Hello Revies, > > I set the resizable of the main stack to false by selecting the check > box in property inspector. I set the stack size to 800 x 600 on my > 1280x854 PBG4. > However, when I open my standalone on other OSX at 800 x 600 part of > the window is offscreen the UIBar is in the way AND the window does > resize. Items move over to the new window size from geometry pane but > window should not resize. > Is this a bug with resizing? > I made the windows 800x600 thinking that it is a good standard to build > with. But the window does not work on an 800x600 display. > What gives? Has this been documented? Your stack needs to account for the space used by the menu bar and the dock. If the screen resolution is 800x600 then the actual available room on screen for the stack will be less. See the windowBoundingRect property for information about the available screen space for a stack. The windowBoundingRect is set by default to the amount of space that is left after various OS interface elements are accounted for. You can reset that property, but on a Mac the menu bar will always take up some real estate, and so will the dock. I imagine what you are seeing is Rev trying to accomodate these items while still displaying as much of your stack as possible. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From paul at starytech.com Fri Nov 7 14:15:46 2003 From: paul at starytech.com (Paul Stary) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 11:15:46 -0800 Subject: revGoURL help In-Reply-To: References: <1F97B1ED-1134-11D8-B9BC-000A27D75508@messimercomputing.com> Message-ID: >At 10:22 AM -0800 11/7/2003, Paul Stary wrote: >>This works great from within Revolution, but can't build a >>standalone of the stack that will open a Rev stack on the remote >>server. Don't see how that would be possible, as a Rev stack is a >>Revolution file, and as such needs the application Revolution to >>open it. But was hoping that building a standalone with all options >>would provide enough of the Rev engine to work. >> >>What am I missing here? > > >Make sure to include the Internet library (on the Inclusions tab in >Step 3 of the Distribution Builder) when you're making your >standalone and it should work. >-- >Jeanne DeVoto ~ jeanne at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ >Runtime Revolution - User-Centric Development Tools >~~~ Check our web site for new Revolution editions & special offers ~~~ >_______________________________________________ I have always had the Internet library included, but still will not open a Rev stack from the server using the standalone built from stack. Stack works fine when opened in runtime. I must be doing something wrong, as you seem to imply that it SHOULD be possible to open Rev stacks from a remote server using the standalone which incorporates a button with the script... go stack "http://www.myserver.com/stacks/mystack.rev" ... assuming it is built correctly. Is there any other options in the build process I might be missing or have set wrong? Thanks. -- Paul Stary Audio-Video Engineering Voice Mail: (949) 646-8877 Fax: (949) 515-3640 From dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk Fri Nov 7 14:43:30 2003 From: dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 19:43:30 +0000 Subject: revGoURL help In-Reply-To: References: <1F97B1ED-1134-11D8-B9BC-000A27D75508@messimercomputing.com> Message-ID: At 11:15 am -0800 7/11/03, Paul Stary wrote: >>At 10:22 AM -0800 11/7/2003, Paul Stary wrote: >>>This works great from within Revolution, but can't build a >>>standalone of the stack that will open a Rev stack on the remote >>>server. Don't see how that would be possible, as a Rev stack is a >>>Revolution file, and as such needs the application Revolution to >>>open it. But was hoping that building a standalone with all >>>options would provide enough of the Rev engine to work. >>> >>>What am I missing here? >> >> >>Make sure to include the Internet library (on the Inclusions tab in >>Step 3 of the Distribution Builder) when you're making your >>standalone and it should work. >>-- >>Jeanne DeVoto ~ jeanne at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ >>Runtime Revolution - User-Centric Development Tools >>~~~ Check our web site for new Revolution editions & special offers ~~~ >>_______________________________________________ > > >I have always had the Internet library included, but still will not >open a Rev stack from the server using the standalone built from >stack. Stack works fine when opened in runtime. > >I must be doing something wrong, as you seem to imply that it SHOULD >be possible to open Rev stacks from a remote server using the >standalone which incorporates a button with the script... > >go stack "http://www.myserver.com/stacks/mystack.rev" > >... assuming it is built correctly. Is there any other options in >the build process I might be missing or have set wrong? The syntax should be: go stack url "http://www.myserver.com/stacks/mystack.rev" Cheers Dave From livfoss at blueyonder.co.uk Fri Nov 7 15:12:45 2003 From: livfoss at blueyonder.co.uk (Graham Samuel) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 20:12:45 +0000 Subject: GIF animation problem Message-ID: At 12:30 +0000 6/11/03, I wrote: >In an app that is in an advanced state of testing, I have a couple >of transparent buttons each of which has an icon which itself is an >animated GIF. [...] I didn't say clearly that the user is allowed to drag these buttons around the screen. >This generally works extremely well, but my beta tester has pointed >out that just one of these animations stops working as soon as its >border overlaps with the other one. It doesn't seem to mind >overlapping with other, static, controls (images and grcs). I have tried all sorts of stuff now, such as changing the size of the GIFs, taking away other graphics and images, etc, but the phenomenon continues. It seems that the GIF with the most frames is the one which stops moving, while the one with less frames continues to animate: if both have the same number of frames, or are derived from the same image, then both stop. It doesn't seem to be an issue of the relative level (layer) of each GIF, and the problem shows up in different OSs. I am now totally stuck - the only thing I can think of doing is to rearrange the entire screen so that the buttons don't have to overlap. It does begin to look like a bug in the engine's GIF-animating routine (I guess it must have one). Still hoping for some help. Graham -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Graham Samuel / The Living Fossil Co. / UK & France From Mark.Powell at veritas.com Fri Nov 7 16:35:06 2003 From: Mark.Powell at veritas.com (Mark Powell) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 13:35:06 -0800 Subject: GIF animation problem Message-ID: Hi Graham: Have you ever seen animated GIFs overlap in any other environment? Without having tried anything like this in the past, I'd say this is the behavior that I would expect. If two animated GIFs (or any other kind of motion graphic) were attempting to occupy common pixels within the same window, it seems that the OS would understandably protest. That one button is masked behind the other perhaps doesn't "insulate" them in the same way as if they were on different windows. I am only guessing. If you want to have them both animate, maybe you'd have to somehow have them within different windows so that dragging them around is not actually dragging the icon, but dragging a stack window (the rect of the window equalling the rect of the button, perhaps? Aargh). Another option may be to test for overlapping and set the icon of the lower button to a static image. Yet another option maybe to animate context-sensitive cursors while dragging, instead of animating icons. All of these ideas are pretty nightmarish, but it is the best I can think of, apart from abandoning animation all together. Are you sure there is a compelling benefit in trying to animate like this? Mark -----Original Message----- From: Graham Samuel [mailto:livfoss at blueyonder.co.uk] Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 1:13 PM To: Revolution user discussion Subject: Re: GIF animation problem At 12:30 +0000 6/11/03, I wrote: >In an app that is in an advanced state of testing, I have a couple >of transparent buttons each of which has an icon which itself is an >animated GIF. [...] I didn't say clearly that the user is allowed to drag these buttons around the screen. >This generally works extremely well, but my beta tester has pointed >out that just one of these animations stops working as soon as its >border overlaps with the other one. It doesn't seem to mind >overlapping with other, static, controls (images and grcs). I have tried all sorts of stuff now, such as changing the size of the GIFs, taking away other graphics and images, etc, but the phenomenon continues. It seems that the GIF with the most frames is the one which stops moving, while the one with less frames continues to animate: if both have the same number of frames, or are derived from the same image, then both stop. It doesn't seem to be an issue of the relative level (layer) of each GIF, and the problem shows up in different OSs. I am now totally stuck - the only thing I can think of doing is to rearrange the entire screen so that the buttons don't have to overlap. It does begin to look like a bug in the engine's GIF-animating routine (I guess it must have one). Still hoping for some help. Graham -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Graham Samuel / The Living Fossil Co. / UK & France _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From alex at mindlube.com Fri Nov 7 17:02:45 2003 From: alex at mindlube.com (Alex Rice) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 15:02:45 -0700 Subject: GIF animation problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1E1EBBBC-116E-11D8-990B-000393C4760A@mindlube.com> On Nov 7, 2003, at 2:35 PM, Mark Powell wrote: > Hi Graham: > > Have you ever seen animated GIFs overlap in any other environment? > > Without having tried anything like this in the past, I'd say this is > the > behavior that I would expect. If two animated GIFs (or any other > kind of > motion graphic) were attempting to occupy common pixels within the same > window, it seems that the OS would understandably protest. That one > button > is masked behind the other perhaps doesn't "insulate" them in the same > way > as if they were on different windows. I am only guessing. I think Graham's problem does sound like a Rev bug. If the GIFs have transparency, then they should be rendered that way, even if animated, even if overlapping. This test page has an animated GIF, overlapping on 2 different layers. Safari 1.1 renders it correctly, and IE 6 does too. Alex Rice | Mindlube Software | what a waste of thumbs that are opposable to make machines that are disposable -Ani DiFranco From bill at igame3d.com Fri Nov 7 17:25:46 2003 From: bill at igame3d.com (WIlliam Griffin) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 17:25:46 -0500 Subject: 3d Revolution/MetaCard In-Reply-To: <20031107170007.47F7F930075@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <54E064E8-1171-11D8-A876-0030657D0A8E@igame3d.com> > > Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 04:03:17 -0800 (PST) > From: Eric Engle > Subject: 3d Revolution/MetaCard > How can one integrate 3d animation into metacard/revolution? > (off to scour the web and the documentation) > With our iGame3D external. See http://www.igame3d.com/ for details. I wanted to get it online this week for purchase but I've not been well. Features you can look forward too: 3D Modeling Texturing Object Materials UV Editor Fog with color Background color Lights Transparency Fog Render to File Quicktime image/movie support on Mac for Textures .png images on PC for Textures Bones based model Animation Particle Systems Import (3DS,.obj,Lightwave,Coalesce,Meshwork) Export (3DS, obj, Meshwork) Custom Scripting Language Sound Files (wav,ogg, mid) through free FMODforRev external. Mac download of this weeks development of our iGame3D Pro (beta) application can be sampled here. http://www.igame3d.com//beta/iGame3D_b110403.sit We haven't had a chance to build a new PC version. We'll be happy to answer any of your questions. William Griffin & Tobias Opfermann info at igame3d.com From paul at starytech.com Fri Nov 7 17:50:31 2003 From: paul at starytech.com (Paul Stary) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 14:50:31 -0800 Subject: revGoURL help In-Reply-To: References: <1F97B1ED-1134-11D8-B9BC-000A27D75508@messimercomputing.com> Message-ID: >At 11:15 am -0800 7/11/03, Paul Stary wrote: >>>At 10:22 AM -0800 11/7/2003, Paul Stary wrote: >>>>This works great from within Revolution, but can't build a >>>>standalone of the stack that will open a Rev stack on the remote >>>>server. Don't see how that would be possible, as a Rev stack is a >>>>Revolution file, and as such needs the application Revolution to >>>>open it. But was hoping that building a standalone with all >>>>options would provide enough of the Rev engine to work. >>>> >>>>What am I missing here? >>> >>> >>>Make sure to include the Internet library (on the Inclusions tab in >>>Step 3 of the Distribution Builder) when you're making your >>>standalone and it should work. >>>-- >>>Jeanne DeVoto ~ jeanne at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ >>>Runtime Revolution - User-Centric Development Tools >>>~~~ Check our web site for new Revolution editions & special offers ~~~ >>>_______________________________________________ >> >> >>I have always had the Internet library included, but still will not >>open a Rev stack from the server using the standalone built from >>stack. Stack works fine when opened in runtime. >> >>I must be doing something wrong, as you seem to imply that it SHOULD >>be possible to open Rev stacks from a remote server using the >>standalone which incorporates a button with the script... >> >>go stack "http://www.myserver.com/stacks/mystack.rev" >> >>... assuming it is built correctly. Is there any other options in >>the build process I might be missing or have set wrong? > >The syntax should be: > >go stack url "http://www.myserver.com/stacks/mystack.rev" > >Cheers >Dave Thank you, Dave!!! That did the trick. I am truly amazed at Revolution's ability to publish its stacks over the Web. This will be HUGE for me. Thanks to all who contributed to this thread and thanks you Revolution Team... what a great product! -- Paul Stary Audio-Video Engineering Voice Mail: (949) 646-8877 Fax: (949) 515-3640 From livfoss at blueyonder.co.uk Fri Nov 7 18:08:56 2003 From: livfoss at blueyonder.co.uk (Graham Samuel) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 23:08:56 +0000 Subject: GIF animation problem Message-ID: Thanks for the replies. On Fri, 7 Nov 2003 13:35:06 -0800, Mark Powell wrote: >: > >Have you ever seen animated GIFs overlap in any other environment? Yes - even in Rev. The 'extra' factor seems to be the fact that the GIFs are being seen 'through' the transparent buttons whose icons they provide, BUT... Convinced that I was looking at an RR bug, I tried to isolate the problem in a simple stack and couldn't do it - i.e. my original setup (overlapping transparent buttons whose icons are animated GIFs) worked. So it's got to be my fault, or at worst a combination of factors that must be avoidable. Sorry for using up bandwidth - if the problem remains interesting, I'll tell the list what it was. Graham -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Graham Samuel / The Living Fossil Co. / UK & France From plsntbreez at mac.com Fri Nov 7 18:21:41 2003 From: plsntbreez at mac.com (Brian Maher) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 18:21:41 -0500 Subject: Design Question Message-ID: <24C27AC4-1179-11D8-8602-000A95B02D84@mac.com> Hi Folks, I have a design question and am looking for input on the best way to handle things. First, my app will be for OS X only so I want to do things the OS X way... My app will need to download and store a list of items from a web site (around 25,000 items) and although it will be likely that all users on a machine will access the same site it is possible that one or more of them will access a different site. My design question is this ... what is the best way to store this information? Going back to the web site each time is not a good solution (the info is very static). This data is going to be used to enable the downloading and reading of other information (think pointers) so I will need to have quick access to it. My thoughts so far are as follows: 1) The app goes into /Applications as normal and will be distributed as a .dmg file using a normal OS X .app bundle. 2) The downloaded data will be stored in a subfolder of each users ~/Library/Preferences folder (downside=duplicated data). 3) The data could be stored in an external stack (with custom file extension or no extension at all) for easy access. 4) The data could be stored in the standard user preferences file for the app (using the 'defaults' command to read/write). 5) The data could be stored in an external database of some kind (single user). The downside is the cost (i.e. this will be a very inexpensive application). Any other thoughts on how to store info? Thanks, Brian From capellan2000 at tricom.net Fri Nov 7 18:50:10 2003 From: capellan2000 at tricom.net (capellan2000 at tricom.net) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 18:50:10 -0500 Subject: Animation with Sliding or Walking figures Message-ID: <102700-22003115723501060@M2W065.mail2web.com> on Wed, 05 Nov 2003 22:20:05 -0800 Scott Rossi wrote >On a Mac laptop with a slowish video card, 20 to 25 looks fair to me. >But the real solution is not speed -- it is one of stopping the forward >sliding motion when a foot is "planted" on the "ground". The body should >propel itself forward with a foot fixed in place so the constant motion you >are attempting to use is not going to create natural looking motion. >I posted a variation of your stack that illustrates how it could work. >Enter the following in your message box: > go stack url "http://www.tactilemedia.com/download/walkingman_new.rev" [snip] >Hope this helps. Thanks a lot, Scott! Tonight, I'll check this stack at home. :) Al -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dan at shafermedia.com Fri Nov 7 18:56:56 2003 From: dan at shafermedia.com (Dan Shafer) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 15:56:56 -0800 Subject: Book Ordering Delays Caused by DOS Attack Message-ID: <11AFCFC9-117E-11D8-8FAC-0030656FB5D4@shafermedia.com> Hundreds of you have come to my Web site at http://www.revolutionpros.com and then clicked over to the Books page to see about ordering the first of my three-volume book series on Revolution. I suspect many of you tried to order the book but were thwarted in your efforts. It seems that RunRev's payment processing center, WorldPay, has been the subject of a massive denial-of-service attack this week and has been essentially unreachable. (One of these days I'll understand the mentality vandals who derive joy from merely disrupting the lives and sanity of others. On second thought, I hope I never do understand that. It's abominable.) In any case, please be patient. The problem is being worked on and I'm told a workaround should be ready very soon now. Thanks for hanging in there. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dan Shafer, Revolutionary Author of "Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought" http://www.revolutionpros.com for more info Available at Runtime Revolution Store (http://www.runrev.com/RevPress) From erikhans08 at yahoo.com Fri Nov 7 19:11:11 2003 From: erikhans08 at yahoo.com (erik hansen) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 16:11:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: Book Ordering Delays Caused by DOS Attack In-Reply-To: <11AFCFC9-117E-11D8-8FAC-0030656FB5D4@shafermedia.com> Message-ID: <20031108001111.29853.qmail@web20002.mail.yahoo.com> --- Dan Shafer wrote: > It seems that RunRev's payment processing > center, WorldPay, has been > the subject of a massive denial-of-service > attack this week and has > been essentially unreachable. (One of these > days I'll understand the > mentality vandals who derive joy from merely > disrupting the lives and > sanity of others. On second thought, I hope I > never do understand that. > It's abominable.) in a way this is a compliment. they would not bother with something useless. Erik ===== erik at erikhansen.org http://www.erikhansen.org __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From alex at mindlube.com Fri Nov 7 19:14:16 2003 From: alex at mindlube.com (Alex Rice) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 17:14:16 -0700 Subject: Book Ordering Delays Caused by DOS Attack In-Reply-To: <20031108001111.29853.qmail@web20002.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031108001111.29853.qmail@web20002.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7D5E5E6A-1180-11D8-B638-000393C4760A@mindlube.com> On Nov 7, 2003, at 5:11 PM, erik hansen wrote: > > in a way this is a compliment. > they would not bother with something useless. It's not just Runrev.com; WorldPay is the payment processor and they service ~ 40% of online retailers in the UK (or in Europe?). I forget which. Lots and lots though. Alex Rice | Mindlube Software | what a waste of thumbs that are opposable to make machines that are disposable -Ani DiFranco From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net Fri Nov 7 19:53:12 2003 From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas J McGrath III) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 19:53:12 -0500 Subject: resize problem Message-ID: Hello Revies, I set the resizable of the main stack to false by selecting the check box in property inspector. I set the stack size to 800 x 600 on my 1280x854 PBG4. However, when I open my standalone on other OSX at 800 x 600 part of the window is offscreen the UIBar is in the way AND the window does resize. Items move over to the new window size from geometry pane but window should not resize. Is this a bug with resizing? I made the windows 800x600 thinking that it is a good standard to build with. But the window does not work on an 800x600 display. What gives? Has this been documented? Help.. TOm Thomas J McGrath III Advanced Media Group 220 Drake Rd. Bethel Park, PA 15102 3mcgrath at adelphia.net From kray at sonsothunder.com Fri Nov 7 21:01:03 2003 From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 20:01:03 -0600 Subject: use-revolution Digest, Vol 2, Issue 36 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <012201c3a59c$2ecd17e0$6501a8c0@LightningFlash> Paul, When you build your standalone, are you including the internet library? If not, that might be the reason. Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Email: kray at sonsothunder.com Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ > -----Original Message----- > From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com > [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of > Paul Stary > Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 12:23 PM > To: How to use Revolution > Subject: Re: use-revolution Digest, Vol 2, Issue 36 > > > Klaus, > > This works great from within Revolution, but can't build a standalone > of the stack that will open a Rev stack on the remote server. Don't > see how that would be possible, as a Rev stack is a Revolution file, > and as such needs the application Revolution to open it. But was > hoping that building a standalone with all options would provide > enough of the Rev engine to work. > > What am I missing here? > > Thanks. > > P.S. If indeed a Rev standalone app can access Rev stacks from a > remote server, this would be VERY cool! > > > > > At 5:11 PM +0100 11/7/03, Klaus Major wrote: > Or do you mean: > go stack "http://www.xyz.com/staxx/your_stack.rev" ##? > In this case the stack will of course be downloaded, but only > into memory... And is gone after quitting unless you provide > a "save" button or something like that... > -- > > Paul Stary > Audio-Video Engineering > Voice Mail: (949) 646-8877 > Fax: (949) 515-3640 _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-> revolution > From curry at pair.com Fri Nov 7 21:26:22 2003 From: curry at pair.com (curry) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 20:26:22 -0600 Subject: GIF animation problem In-Reply-To: <20031107222223.A1104930072@mail.runrev.com> References: <20031107222223.A1104930072@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: >This generally works extremely well, but my beta tester has pointed >out that just one of these animations stops working as soon as its >border overlaps with the other one. It doesn't seem to mind >overlapping with other, static, controls (images and grcs). Have you tried the alwaysBuffer property? Or putting the GIF image on the same card as the buttons, visible but off-screen? Or using a different method to let the user drag? I've had animations overlapping in game projects and keep going, so maybe there's a way. If no luck, you could post a test stack with two buttons like that and we can try. Curry From kee at kagi.com Fri Nov 7 22:24:31 2003 From: kee at kagi.com (kee nethery) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 19:24:31 -0800 Subject: Mac OS X default button = 100% CPU usage In-Reply-To: <012201c3a59c$2ecd17e0$6501a8c0@LightningFlash> References: <012201c3a59c$2ecd17e0$6501a8c0@LightningFlash> Message-ID: <11071E44-119B-11D8-9F5B-000A959B2940@kagi.com> I have a standalone stack and people complained that it was hogging all their CPU cycles. If you ran Activity Monitor, sure enough, whatever was available, it would utilize. Frequently +60% of the CPU. I thought it had to do with the libUrl libraries because it was the only stack with them and it was the only stack with this problem. Dave Cragg who maintains libUrl found the answer. The stack had default buttons and the throbbing Aqua visual effect of the default buttons used all the CPU cycles. Turn off the default checkbox and CPU cycles went down to normal. Moral of the story, if you use the default checkbox for a button on Mac OS X, expect CPU usage to be all it can be. Thank you Dave for the work around! Kee Nethery From pixelbird at interisland.net Sat Nov 8 02:13:00 2003 From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 23:13:00 -0800 Subject: Need Help Resizing windows In-Reply-To: <20031107222223.88F1B93006D@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: Hi Tom, >From Jacque: > Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 12:49:23 -0600 > From: "J. Landman Gay" > Subject: Re: Need Help Resizing windows >> I made the windows 800x600 thinking that it is a good standard to build >> with. But the window does not work on an 800x600 display. >> What gives? Has this been documented? > > Your stack needs to account for the space used by the menu bar and the > dock. ------------ Another item is that, when you determine the space you have left to display, you may need to set the window size in a preOpenStack handler. I'm looking at one of my onscreen keyboard conversions in Rev for Mac OS 9.2.1., where I wanted fullscreen graphics, i.e., no window frame, no window controls, no menubar. Here's the preOpenStack handler: on preOpenStack set the rect of stack "VirtualKeyboard 1.0.rev" to "0,0,800,600" set the decorations of stack "VirtualKeyboard 1.0.rev" to "empty" set the resizeable of stack "VirtualKeyboard 1.0.rev" to "false" hide menuBar end preOpenStack HTH, Ken N. From diskot123 at juno.com Sat Nov 8 03:07:29 2003 From: diskot123 at juno.com (diskot123 at juno.com) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 08:07:29 GMT Subject: MacOSX default button Message-ID: <20031108.000744.28675.674116@webmail10.lax.untd.com> >I thought it had to do with the libUrl libraries because it was the >only stack with them and it was the only stack with this problem. Dave >Cragg who maintains libUrl found the answer. >The stack had default buttons and the throbbing Aqua visual effect of >the default buttons used all the CPU cycles. Turn off the default >checkbox and CPU cycles went down to normal. This will be fixed in the next version of Rev, but only for panther and later. Panther added a new hitheme api to support printing appearence manager controls, and animated controls like pulsating buttons. As for Jaguar,10.1.x the new theme design gives us additional flexibility and what we can do is hard code an animated gif that the engine would just for the default button. Tuviah From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net Sat Nov 8 04:35:50 2003 From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas J McGrath III) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 04:35:50 -0500 Subject: Need Help Resizing windows In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ken, Wouldn't this count for a feature in REV. You know something like "Full Screen 800x600" or "Menu Screen 800 x 600" etc. Because I have to actually account for the decorations and the menu bar. When actually I wanted this window to fit under the menu bar. Thanks for your help. Tom PS My mailbox filled and I missed the response from Jacque and any others. Were there many? T On Saturday, November 8, 2003, at 02:13 AM, Ken Norris wrote: > Hi Tom, > >> From Jacque: > >> Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 12:49:23 -0600 >> From: "J. Landman Gay" >> Subject: Re: Need Help Resizing windows > >>> I made the windows 800x600 thinking that it is a good standard to >>> build >>> with. But the window does not work on an 800x600 display. >>> What gives? Has this been documented? >> >> Your stack needs to account for the space used by the menu bar and the >> dock. > ------------ > Another item is that, when you determine the space you have left to > display, > you may need to set the window size in a preOpenStack handler. I'm > looking > at one of my onscreen keyboard conversions in Rev for Mac OS 9.2.1., > where I > wanted fullscreen graphics, i.e., no window frame, no window controls, > no > menubar. > > Here's the preOpenStack handler: > > on preOpenStack > set the rect of stack "VirtualKeyboard 1.0.rev" to "0,0,800,600" > set the decorations of stack "VirtualKeyboard 1.0.rev" to "empty" > set the resizeable of stack "VirtualKeyboard 1.0.rev" to "false" > hide menuBar > end preOpenStack > > > HTH, > Ken N. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > Thomas J McGrath III Advanced Media Group 220 Drake Rd. Bethel Park, PA 15102 3mcgrath at adelphia.net From pixelbird at interisland.net Sat Nov 8 13:18:13 2003 From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris) Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2003 10:18:13 -0800 Subject: Book Ordering Delays Caused by DOS Attack In-Reply-To: <20031108071156.59BA393006B@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: Hi Dan, > Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 15:56:56 -0800 > From: Dan Shafer > Subject: Book Ordering Delays Caused by DOS Attack ---------- Congrats on the first volume edition. ---------- > (One of these days I'll understand the > mentality vandals who derive joy from merely disrupting the lives and > sanity of others. On second thought, I hope I never do understand that. > It's abominable.) ---------- I think you're right. I'd bet the mentality is akin to terrorism. There are trained pros out there who are dealing with these things. It could be worse than vandalism. If a shipping company were waiting on payment to ship medical supplies, it could cost lives. Just my OT comment. Ken N. From pixelbird at interisland.net Sat Nov 8 13:46:08 2003 From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris) Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2003 10:46:08 -0800 Subject: Mac OS X default button = 100% CPU usage In-Reply-To: <20031108071156.59BA393006B@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: Hello Kee, > Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 19:24:31 -0800 > From: kee nethery > Subject: Mac OS X default button = 100% CPU usage > I have a standalone stack and people complained that it was hogging all > their CPU cycles. ----------- I thought I remembered something abpot this before, so I went for a look-see. I found this from Klaus Major in the archives from June 2002 : Throbbing buttons are kinda cool, too bad they can't figure a way to multitask the things so they don't hog the CPU. Ken N. From scott at tactilemedia.com Sat Nov 8 14:18:08 2003 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2003 11:18:08 -0800 Subject: MacOSX default button In-Reply-To: <20031108.000744.28675.674116@webmail10.lax.untd.com> Message-ID: On 11/8/03 12:07 AM, "diskot123 at juno.com" wrote: > As for Jaguar,10.1.x the new theme design gives us additional flexibility and > what we can do is hard code an animated gif that the engine would just for the > default button. Seems like the results would less than optimal for a resizable control -- you'd see major pixel artifacts if the control was resized to anything other then the original image dimensions. Usually this kind of scalable object is done with 9 images: 4 fixed size corners, 4 resizable sides, and one resizable central region. Built this way, it is possible to resize without visual artifacts, but you'd still have to drive 9 animated GIFs (or multiple GIFs) in sync to mimic the throb effect. And what happens if the user has Graphite selected instead of Blue? You need at least two sets of images. Done correctly, the image solution starts to get complicated. Doable, but complicated... Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design ----- E: scott at tactilemedia.com W: http://www.tactilemedia.com From pixelbird at interisland.net Sat Nov 8 15:04:02 2003 From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris) Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2003 12:04:02 -0800 Subject: (OFFLIST) Need Help Resizing windows In-Reply-To: <20031108170015.A660993008C@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: Hi Tom, Note : This is offlist. > Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 04:35:50 -0500 > From: Thomas J McGrath III <3mcgrath at adelphia.net> > Subject: Re: Need Help Resizing windows > > Ken, > > Wouldn't this count for a feature in REV. You know something like "Full > Screen 800x600" or "Menu Screen 800 x 600" etc. ---------- Nope, huh-uh...it's a cross-platform issue. Windows menubars are at the top of the windows, not at the top of the screen like MacOS' are. If you notice, the menubar under Rev on a Mac is an emulation, they're actually specialized buttons. Most Mac apps used to allow you to toggle the menubar off and on via 'cmd/space', but you'll see this doesn't happen in Rev. You actually have to script it. It's a little different in OSX, but the issue is the same. The menubar is 16 pixels high. ---------- > PS My mailbox filled and I missed the response from Jacque and any > others. Were there many? ---------- Here is Jacque's post in it's entirety: ========================================================= Message: 3 Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 12:49:23 -0600 From: "J. Landman Gay" Subject: Re: Need Help Resizing windows To: How to use Revolution Message-ID: <3FABE933.5080700 at hyperactivesw.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed On 11/7/03 9:48 AM, Thomas J McGrath III wrote: > Hello Revies, > > I set the resizable of the main stack to false by selecting the check > box in property inspector. I set the stack size to 800 x 600 on my > 1280x854 PBG4. > However, when I open my standalone on other OSX at 800 x 600 part of > the window is offscreen the UIBar is in the way AND the window does > resize. Items move over to the new window size from geometry pane but > window should not resize. > Is this a bug with resizing? > I made the windows 800x600 thinking that it is a good standard to build > with. But the window does not work on an 800x600 display. > What gives? Has this been documented? Your stack needs to account for the space used by the menu bar and the dock. If the screen resolution is 800x600 then the actual available room on screen for the stack will be less. See the windowBoundingRect property for information about the available screen space for a stack. The windowBoundingRect is set by default to the amount of space that is left after various OS interface elements are accounted for. You can reset that property, but on a Mac the menu bar will always take up some real estate, and so will the dock. I imagine what you are seeing is Rev trying to accomodate these items while still displaying as much of your stack as possible. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ========================================================= (cont'd) FYI, Jacque's site has more on the subject under HC conversion/Rev Tutorial: 1) Download the tutorial and then access the set. 2) From the Table of Contents click on "About Revolution Menus". 3) You'll see an article about menus at the top of the list. From it, you should be able to get your head wrapped around the methods. > Because I have to > actually account for the decorations and the menu bar. When actually I > wanted this window to fit under the menu bar. ---------- Well, of course, a monitor's maximum screen size isn't negotiable, so if you want to display a normal Mac window, you have to compensate. AFAIK, all Mac apps are this way. That means you have to size your window to fit. On Win 32 apps, the windows contain the menubar, so the window size fits the screen You still have to deal with content, though. Here are some other posts on a related subject (window titlebars), the first from Graham Samuel and the second is a Re to it from Ken Ray: ========================================================= Leaving room for the title bar Graham Samuel livfoss at blueyonder.co.uk Sun Sep 21 13:17:01 EDT 2003 * Previous message: QT Player only? * Next message: Leaving room for the title bar * Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] Well, I seem to be talking to myself, but this may interest some people. Apologies if it's all in the dox somewhere and I've missed it (wouldn't be the first time). I have managed to get hold of various machines and I think the following figures are correct about the amount of space in pixels taken up by the decorations in each case. Obviously I don't have a more general solution which will work when Microsoft or Apple change something. I have no Unix figures. The following is best viewed in a monospaced font: OS Platform SystemVersion Title Bar LeftSide RightSide Bottom Windows 95 Win32 4.0 24 4 4 4 Windows 98 Win32 4.10 24 4 4 4 Windows XP Win32 NT 5.1 30 4 4 4 Mac OS 9 MacOS 9.2.2 22 6 7 6 Mac OS X MacOS 10.2.6 22 1 1 1 I'm hoping that these figures enable the developer to use the default WindowBoundingRect to set a new, more restrictive WindowBoundingRect to ensure a stack window just fills the available screen space. Corrections and comments welcome Graham -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Graham Samuel / The Living Fossil Co. / UK & France ====================================================== from Ken Ray: ====================================================== Leaving room for the title bar Ken Ray kray at sonsothunder.com Sun Sep 21 17:42:00 EDT 2003 * Previous message: Leaving room for the title bar * Next message: A practical tale of hacking with Revolution * Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] Graham, You're not talking to yourself, but I think that most people that wanted to use up the full space of the screen have gone the route of hiding the menubar and making a "decorations empty" full-screen stack based on the screenRect. Or alternately, have opened a window with decorations to a smaller-than-screen-size window, and allow the user to maximize it, resizing it accordingly. However, based on your table below, the only thing I'd mention is that in Windows you can change the title bar height to anything you like in the Display control panel (Appearance Tab (you'll need to click on the "Advanced" button in WinXP) and select "Active Title Bar" from the drop down menu. Your settings look like they're correct, but take note that the number of pixels for the title bar in Windows does not match the setting in the Display control panel. For example, in Win XP, the height is shown as "25" in the control panel. You should be able to query HKEY_CURRENT_USER/Control Panel/Desktop/WindowMetrics/CaptionHeight and take the value there and divide it by 15 and get the absoulte value. For example, on my PC, the default of 25 pixels is displayed as -375 in the CaptionHeight key in the Registry (abs(-375/15) = 25), and when I changed it to 35 pixels, the CaptionHeight went to -525 (abs(-525/15) = 35). You can then take that and add 5 pixels to get the "true" size (30 for the default in this case). Also, resizing the titlebar height also changes the height of the Task Bar at the bottom of the screen too... Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Email: kray at sonsothunder.com Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ > -----Original Message----- > From: use-revolution-admin at lists.runrev.com > [mailto:use-revolution-admin at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of > Graham Samuel > Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 12:11 PM > To: Revolution user discussion > Subject: Re: Leaving room for the title bar > > > Well, I seem to be talking to myself, but this may interest some > people. Apologies if it's all in the dox somewhere and I've missed it > (wouldn't be the first time). I have managed to get hold of various > machines and I think the following figures are correct about the > amount of space in pixels taken up by the decorations in each case. > Obviously I don't have a more general solution which will work when > Microsoft or Apple change something. I have no Unix figures. > > The following is best viewed in a monospaced font: > OS Platform SystemVersion Title Bar LeftSide RightSide Bottom > Windows 95 Win32 4.0 24 4 4 4 > Windows 98 Win32 4.10 24 4 4 4 > Windows XP Win32 NT 5.1 30 4 4 4 > Mac OS 9 MacOS 9.2.2 22 6 7 6 > Mac OS X MacOS 10.2.6 22 1 1 1 > I'm hoping that these figures enable the developer to use the default > WindowBoundingRect to set a new, more restrictive WindowBoundingRect > to ensure a stack window just fills the available screen space. > Corrections and comments welcome > Graham > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Graham Samuel / The Living Fossil Co. / UK & France ===================================================== (cont'd) Hope this helps, Ken N. From jbv.silences at Club-Internet.fr Sat Nov 8 15:46:13 2003 From: jbv.silences at Club-Internet.fr (jbv) Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2003 21:46:13 +0100 Subject: (rather) complex group / ungroup problem Message-ID: <3FAD5615.FB499B9B@Club-Internet.fr> Hi list, I am experiencing strange group behavior. I have a set of embeded groups of objects (actually 2 groups of 40 btns each + 1 group of 800 flds - these 3 groups are grouped into a larger one). One of my script creates sub-groups on the fly, and then ungroups these sub-groups to return to the original structure described above. For instance, it creates a temporary sub-group inside one of the grp of 40 btns, and then (using relayergroupedcontrols property and an adequate repeat loop, sets all layers back to their original values so that the global structure remains unchanged). This works perfectly (and fast) for the groups of btns, but not for the grp of flds : actually, the sub-group is created, but it refuses to ungroup (although the "ungroup" command doesn't return any error message). I have tried various combinations with relayergroupedcontrols, I have tested my script with earlier backups of my stack (to make sure it wasn't corrupted), etc. I must confessed I am puzzled, and don't know what to try next... One more detail : the only difference in my script between the group / ungroup subset of btns (that works) and group / ungroup subset of flds (that refuses to ungroup) is that it isn't called the same way : for the btns group, the group / ungroup cmds are part of a 2nd level handler (one handler called by another one), while in the flds case, it is a 3rd level handler... I think I vaguely remember facing something similar (scripts not working anymore when the call level is too high). Could it be a bug or limit of the MC engine ? Any other idea ? Thanks a bunch, JB From pixelbird at interisland.net Sat Nov 8 15:39:47 2003 From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris) Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2003 12:39:47 -0800 Subject: Need Help Resizing windows In-Reply-To: <20031108170015.A660993008C@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: Well, darn it, it was SUPPOSED to be offlist. I'm not sure what happened. I must've neglected to switch addresses. Sorry about the length, I didn't mean to suck up bandwidth here. Ken N. From ambassador at fourthworld.com Sat Nov 8 16:35:29 2003 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2003 13:35:29 -0800 Subject: Mac OS X default button = 100% CPU usage In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ken Norris wrote: > Throbbing buttons are kinda cool, too bad they can't figure a way to > multitask the things so they don't hog the CPU. They have a cool appearance, but are arguably counterproductive in actual use (beyond being a CPU hog). A default button must be visually distinct enough to make it clear that it is the default action for a dialog. But what Steve & Co. forgot was that the most important element in a dialog is the dialog's content, not the default button. The content the dialog is presenting should be the most visually dominant thing in its window, but in OS X content competes with a merely functional element that is both candy-colored and animated, visually demanding to the point of distraction. It suffers from the same usability detriments as animated banner ads on Web pages, without the banner ad's upside: a banner add generates revenue, and is therefore at least sufferable as an economic necessity. The only upside to the animated default button is how good it makes the OS designer that we're all talking about it. This contributes to an OS that is, in Tog's words, optimized for Steve's demos but not for our daily use (see ). A logical progression of this design philosophy would be: OS X 10.4: the default button becomes an animated loop of a dancing chicken. OS X 10.5: The animation is expanded to become a really nifty five-minute gorgeously produced movie of a large predatory cat hunting and feeding its young, with voiceover by Steve Jobs. In order to make room for this expanded animation the dialog's content will be removed altogether. :) In the first release of the Rev engine for OS X there was a bug that was arguably better than the OS design: default buttons were colored but not animated. Maybe Apple can be pursuaded to consider that, handing our clock cycles back and improving usability at the same time: To help maintain Steve's reputation for a compelling demo, rather than hampering the OS with such things maybe we could just hook him up with Carson Kressley to get him out of that frumpy jeans-and-sweatshirt look. :) -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation ___________________________________________________________ Ambassador at FourthWorld.com http://www.FourthWorld.com Tel: 323-225-3717 AIM: FourthWorldInc From itrunrev at itinfo.dk Sat Nov 8 18:46:14 2003 From: itrunrev at itinfo.dk (Carsten Levin) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 00:46:14 +0100 Subject: 2.1.1 better and reliable ... but In-Reply-To: <99DEABFC-1063-11D8-9CEC-003065683ECC@inspiredlogic.com> References: <27CAEC2D-0D0C-11D8-93AD-000393C4760A@mindlube.com> <019F8C8D-0D11-11D8-A691-000A95C49B80@itinfo.dk> <99DEABFC-1063-11D8-9CEC-003065683ECC@inspiredlogic.com> Message-ID: Geoff writes: "It seems a bit extreme to avoid all of 2.x because of one issue that can easily be worked around and only shows up when running without the development environment -- not in standalones, not in the development environment. Are there other issues that have forced you to make this decision?" Sorry, but being unable to use the correct keyboard AND changing the main directories to wrong ones, are not a minor issue. It will hopefully be easy for RunRev to solve it, but working with it is impossible ... seen from our perspective. Best regards Carsten From gizmotron at earthlink.net Sat Nov 8 19:11:45 2003 From: gizmotron at earthlink.net (Mark Brownell) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 16:11:45 -0800 Subject: Mac OS X default button = 100% CPU usage In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4DE996D0-1249-11D8-887E-000A95859272@earthlink.net> On Saturday, November 8, 2003, at 01:35 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > A logical progression of this design philosophy would be: > > OS X 10.4: the default button becomes an animated loop of a dancing > chicken. > > OS X 10.5: The animation is expanded to become a really nifty > five-minute > gorgeously produced movie of a large predatory cat hunting and feeding > its > young, with voiceover by Steve Jobs. In order to make room for this > expanded animation the dialog's content will be removed altogether. > > :) Hilarious! > In the first release of the Rev engine for OS X there was a bug that > was > arguably better than the OS design: default buttons were colored but > not > animated. Maybe Apple can be pursuaded to consider that, handing our > clock > cycles back and improving usability at the same time: I would prefer this as an added value feature. I can't use that eye straining distraction in my applications. Please get rid of the animated blink or at least give us the option to use default buttons that have normal or familiar colors. Having a default button that gets its focus from a blue color works, blinking went out with the tag in HTML. Mark From ambassador at fourthworld.com Sat Nov 8 19:35:08 2003 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2003 16:35:08 -0800 Subject: Mac OS X default button = 100% CPU usage In-Reply-To: <4DE996D0-1249-11D8-887E-000A95859272@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Mark Brownell wrote: >> In the first release of the Rev engine for OS X there was a bug that >> was arguably better than the OS design: default buttons were colored >> but not animated. Maybe Apple can be pursuaded to consider that, >> handing our clock cycles back and improving usability at the same time: > > I would prefer this as an added value feature. I can't use that eye > straining distraction in my applications. Please get rid of the > animated blink or at least give us the option to use default buttons > that have normal or familiar colors. Having a default button that gets > its focus from a blue color works, blinking went out with the > tag in HTML. Far more effective would be to have such an option as part of the official HIG. Without that, no matter how sane your design, it risks being criticized as "non-standard". -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation ___________________________________________________________ Ambassador at FourthWorld.com http://www.FourthWorld.com Tel: 323-225-3717 AIM: FourthWorldInc From pixelbird at interisland.net Sat Nov 8 20:03:47 2003 From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris) Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2003 17:03:47 -0800 Subject: Mac OS X default button = 100% CPU usage In-Reply-To: <20031109000530.0934193009C@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: Hi Richard, > Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2003 13:35:29 -0800 > From: Richard Gaskin > Subject: Re: Mac OS X default button = 100% CPU usage > > Ken Norris wrote: > >> Throbbing buttons are kinda cool, too bad they can't figure a way to >> multitask the things so they don't hog the CPU. > > They have a cool appearance, but are arguably counterproductive in actual > use (beyond being a CPU hog). > > A default button must be visually distinct enough to make it clear that it > is the default action for a dialog. But what Steve & Co. forgot was that > the most important element in a dialog is the dialog's content, not the > default button. --------- Yep. I must say, as a non-professional, I absolutely agree with that. There's already too much going on in a 'post modern' OS for my poor brain anyhow. Actually, I had this vision of working in Panther where there was an unbelieveable amount of distractive stuff going on. Trying to decide a chess move under the clock, cut a business deal, scan lists of stock quotes, watch a ball game, discipline my children, with 30 or 40 windows open, and watch cartoon animations (the dock?), all while landing an airplane in a 50 mph crosswind. ...and then, everything stops and I have the throbbing button. Mesmerized, I lose the chess game by default, the business deal goes South, the stock quote list freezes on stuff I never heard of, I miss the Home run, the kids broke three cut crystal wine goblets and are bleeding, there are still 30 or 40 windows open, the cartoons aren't as cute as they were a minute ago, and my 747 takes out the tower and 4 city blocks (but who cares?). Coming to my senses, I eventually click the button. Now...what the heck did that dialog box say? I wished I had the alert voice on, darn it. Ken N. From alex at mindlube.com Sat Nov 8 20:46:37 2003 From: alex at mindlube.com (Alex Rice) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 18:46:37 -0700 Subject: MacOSX default button In-Reply-To: <20031108.000744.28675.674116@webmail10.lax.untd.com> References: <20031108.000744.28675.674116@webmail10.lax.untd.com> Message-ID: <8E8AE152-1256-11D8-B54B-000393C4760A@mindlube.com> On Nov 8, 2003, at 1:07 AM, diskot123 at juno.com wrote: > This will be fixed in the next version of Rev, but only for panther > and later. > > Panther added a new hitheme api to support printing appearence manager > controls, and animated controls like pulsating buttons. > > As for Jaguar,10.1.x the new theme design gives us additional > flexibility and what we can do is hard code an animated gif that the > engine would just for the default button. Tuviah, in Jaguar, Mail.app 1.3, the throbbing button in the Save As dialog uses about 10-15% of CPU on a dual/800Mhz box. Do you think that represents the goal- and is as good as it's going to get? and was the problem in Revolution much worse? I don't know much about the HI toolbox, but I do know that the throbbing buttons have always eaten lots of CPU even in Cocoa and Carbon. I agree with Scott about a bitmap button icon not being a good substitute. Alex Rice | Mindlube Software | what a waste of thumbs that are opposable to make machines that are disposable -Ani DiFranco From ambassador at fourthworld.com Sat Nov 8 21:16:33 2003 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2003 18:16:33 -0800 Subject: XML for interfaces Message-ID: Longhorn contains XAML: XML Application Markup Language. There are also several other XML-based systems for defining UIs: Any of these worth making importers/exporters for? I rather liked the idea of dampening XAML's thunder by making it easy to port from the platform-specific XAML .Net framework (which few VB users like anyway) to omni-platform Rev, but maybe there's good reason to consider tools for other XML UI standards as well. What do you think? -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation ___________________________________________________________ Ambassador at FourthWorld.com http://www.FourthWorld.com Tel: 323-225-3717 AIM: FourthWorldInc From alex at mindlube.com Sat Nov 8 21:24:42 2003 From: alex at mindlube.com (Alex Rice) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 19:24:42 -0700 Subject: XML for interfaces In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Nov 8, 2003, at 7:16 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > I rather liked the idea of dampening XAML's thunder by making it easy > to > port from the platform-specific XAML .Net framework (which few VB > users like > anyway) to omni-platform Rev, but maybe there's good reason to consider > tools for other XML UI standards as well. I can't see any use *personally*, but I think it sure would be in Runrev's interest to implement something like that. Much like REALbasic has Visual Basic project importing feature to try to get those customers. Alex Rice | Mindlube Software | what a waste of thumbs that are opposable to make machines that are disposable -Ani DiFranco From gizmotron at earthlink.net Sat Nov 8 21:30:36 2003 From: gizmotron at earthlink.net (Mark Brownell) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 18:30:36 -0800 Subject: XML for interfaces In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Saturday, November 8, 2003, at 06:16 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > Longhorn contains XAML: XML Application Markup Language. There are also > several other XML-based systems for defining UIs: > > > > Any of these worth making importers/exporters for? > > I rather liked the idea of dampening XAML's thunder by making it easy > to > port from the platform-specific XAML .Net framework (which few VB > users like > anyway) to omni-platform Rev, but maybe there's good reason to consider > tools for other XML UI standards as well. > > What do you think? What will they think of next? Combine this with a business process markup language and the two XMLs can go to work for you and collect your pay-check as well. This combination could send the user interface and the business process with the XML data for integration purposes. What a laugh, becoming out-sourced by an algorithm. From alex at mindlube.com Sat Nov 8 21:56:28 2003 From: alex at mindlube.com (Alex Rice) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 19:56:28 -0700 Subject: Book Ordering Delays Caused by DOS Attack In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <509E563E-1260-11D8-B54B-000393C4760A@mindlube.com> > I think you're right. I'd bet the mentality is akin to terrorism. > There are > trained pros out there who are dealing with these things. Not very successfully it would seem. The spammers have teamed up with hackers and virus writers and it's big business - organized crime even. Spammers make big money and they can afford to hire real programmers. Interesting psychological territory: everything from "script kiddies", to psychotic antisocial genius hackers, the "hacker's ethic", black hat, white hat. And vandals, and terrorists. Just ran across this article as well. Steven Levy's _Hackers_ is a good read if you want a documentary look into the mindset. Alex Rice | Mindlube Software | what a waste of thumbs that are opposable to make machines that are disposable -Ani DiFranco From squance at elkvalley.net Sat Nov 8 22:55:56 2003 From: squance at elkvalley.net (David Squance) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 20:55:56 -0700 Subject: New stack title query In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Group, I'm new to OS X and what little I've done with RR was mostly in 1.1.1. I've been playing a little with RR2.1.1 in OS 10.3 and can't seem to get a new stack to change from untitled to the given name when it's saved. I don't recall any such problem before. There's likely something obvious I'm missing, but it's rather confusing. Help! Thanks, Dave From gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com Sun Nov 9 02:08:37 2003 From: gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com (Geoff Canyon) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 23:08:37 -0800 Subject: 2.1.1 better and reliable ... but In-Reply-To: References: <27CAEC2D-0D0C-11D8-93AD-000393C4760A@mindlube.com> <019F8C8D-0D11-11D8-A691-000A95C49B80@itinfo.dk> <99DEABFC-1063-11D8-9CEC-003065683ECC@inspiredlogic.com> Message-ID: <89EFA0DA-1283-11D8-8BA1-003065683ECC@inspiredlogic.com> Beating a dead horse: what keyboard issue? I don't think that's been mentioned in this conversation previously. The directory issue as described happens only on Windows and only when running a stack with Revolution without the development environment. I run stacks in the development environment, and I build standalones. Neither of those situations are affected. You might operate differently, but even so fixing the directory issue is just a few lines of transcript. So "being unable to use the correct keyboard" may be a large issue (sounds like it) but I still don't see how the directory issue is a dealbreaker, especially since 2.1 adds so many other features and bugfixes. regards, Geoff Canyon gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com On Nov 8, 2003, at 3:46 PM, Carsten Levin wrote: > Sorry, but being unable to use the correct keyboard AND changing the > main directories to wrong ones, are not a minor issue. It will > hopefully be easy for RunRev to solve it, but working with it is > impossible ... seen from our perspective. From itrunrev at itinfo.dk Sun Nov 9 04:40:50 2003 From: itrunrev at itinfo.dk (Carsten Levin) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 10:40:50 +0100 Subject: 2.1.1 better and reliable ... but In-Reply-To: <89EFA0DA-1283-11D8-8BA1-003065683ECC@inspiredlogic.com> References: <27CAEC2D-0D0C-11D8-93AD-000393C4760A@mindlube.com> <019F8C8D-0D11-11D8-A691-000A95C49B80@itinfo.dk> <99DEABFC-1063-11D8-9CEC-003065683ECC@inspiredlogic.com> <89EFA0DA-1283-11D8-8BA1-003065683ECC@inspiredlogic.com> Message-ID: I dont know whether you are Beating a dead horse. But the directory bug is important if you are relying on it to give the correct answer. The keyboard problem is relevant if you expect people to be able to find anything but a-z on a non US/UK keyboard. It might be irrelevant for you. To us it it crucial. And while the errors are impossible to work with for us, we cant use 2.1.1 ... And although we do primarely work/develop on the Mac, our solutions wil primarely be used on Windows. Seen from our very specifc perspective it is therefore not a minor detail that "the directory etc." is not working on Windows. And since our "users" should not use the Development envirionment, it is not very relevant that it works fine in dev-mode. Best regards Carsten > From: Geoff Canyon > Date: 9. november 2003 8.08.37 MET > To: How to use Revolution > Subject: Re: 2.1.1 better and reliable ... but > Reply-To: How to use Revolution > Beating a dead horse: what keyboard issue? I don't think that's been > mentioned in this conversation previously. The directory issue as > described happens only on Windows and only when running a stack with > Revolution without the development environment. I run stacks in the > development environment, and I build standalones. Neither of those > situations are affected. You might operate differently, but even so > fixing the directory issue is just a few lines of transcript. > > So "being unable to use the correct keyboard" may be a large issue > (sounds like it) but I still don't see how the directory issue is a > dealbreaker, especially since 2.1 adds so many other features and > bugfixes. From livfoss at blueyonder.co.uk Sun Nov 9 05:30:06 2003 From: livfoss at blueyonder.co.uk (Graham Samuel) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 10:30:06 +0000 Subject: Need Help Resizing windows Message-ID: On Fri, 07 Nov 2003 12:49:23 -0600, "J. Landman Gay" wrote: >[...] >Here are some other posts on a related subject (window titlebars), the first >from Graham Samuel and the second is a Re to it from Ken Ray: Just to say that I am successfully using the info given in the two mails quoted in a published app - my particular requirement was to make sure the actual window size (i.e. what's **inside** any decorations) was maximised so that there was exactly enough room on the screen for menu bars, toolbars and decorations and nothing else. My publisher considers that this combines minimum distraction for the user (a child) without compromising the familiar environment - i.e. a kiosk-type arrangement is considered inappropriate. Of course without Ken Ray I would not have known anything about the tricks Windows can get up to to defraud one's expectations... Graham -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Graham Samuel / The Living Fossil Co. / UK & France From jimlyons at earthlink.net Sun Nov 9 07:43:10 2003 From: jimlyons at earthlink.net (Jim Lyons) Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2003 07:43:10 -0500 Subject: Rev Sandbox? Message-ID: <3FAE365B.75A11116@earthlink.net> Recently, Dan Schafer wrote: > (One of these days I'll understand the > mentality vandals who derive joy from merely disrupting the lives and > sanity of others. On second thought, I hope I never do understand that. > It's abominable.) A dark thought that has been lurking in my world-weary mind is the risk we take by downloading stacks and running them on our machines. As more and more folks discover Revolution, there are more and more things to share and check out. So far, we have a cozy, friendly community of users and none of us would think of using Rev for anything disruptive, or worse. I feel pretty confident downloading things from the sites of people we have come to "know" here on the list. But we all know very well that some innocent looking little "Christmas Message" stack could conceal anything from a prank to a disaster. With Rev's internet capabilities, I suppose it could even be used to launch a worm. So what can we do, other than only run stacks from reputable sources? I know there's no way to scan a stack and tell if it's evil. Would it be possible to devise a kind of sandbox to test new stacks in, that would prevent and report on attempts to write to the disk drive, send something over the net, etc? Hoping for a better world, Jim Lyons From janschenkel at yahoo.com Sun Nov 9 08:02:00 2003 From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 05:02:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: Rev Sandbox? In-Reply-To: <3FAE365B.75A11116@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20031109130200.9815.qmail@web60509.mail.yahoo.com> --- Jim Lyons wrote: > Recently, Dan Schafer wrote: > > (One of these days I'll understand the > > mentality vandals who derive joy from merely > disrupting the lives and > > sanity of others. On second thought, I hope I > never do understand that. > > It's abominable.) > > A dark thought that has been lurking in my > world-weary mind is the risk > we take by downloading stacks and running them on > our machines. As more > and more folks discover Revolution, there are more > and more things to > share and check out. So far, we have a cozy, > friendly community of users > and none of us would think of using Rev for anything > disruptive, or > worse. I feel pretty confident downloading things > from the sites of > people we have come to "know" here on the list. But > we all know very > well that some innocent looking little "Christmas > Message" stack could > conceal anything from a prank to a disaster. With > Rev's internet > capabilities, I suppose it could even be used to > launch a worm. > > So what can we do, other than only run stacks from > reputable sources? I > know there's no way to scan a stack and tell if it's > evil. Would it be > possible to devise a kind of sandbox to test new > stacks in, that would > prevent and report on attempts to write to the disk > drive, send > something over the net, etc? > > Hoping for a better world, > Jim Lyons > Hi Jim, Have a look at the global property 'secureMode' -- from its entry in the Transcript Dictionary : "Comments: If the secureMode property is set to true, the application cannot use the get, put, open file, read from file, or write to file commands to gain access to local files. The application cannot run programs with the shell function, the open process command, or the launch command. On Windows systems, it cannot use the deleteRegistry, queryRegistry, or setRegistry functions to access the Windows system registry." You could build a small player standalone that sets secureMode to true on startup, and where you can enter the URL and run it from there. Hope this helped, Jan Schenkel. ===== "As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time." (La Rochefoucauld) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From psahores at easynet.fr Sun Nov 9 08:39:16 2003 From: psahores at easynet.fr (Pierre Sahores) Date: 09 Nov 2003 14:39:16 +0100 Subject: Rev Sandbox? In-Reply-To: <20031109130200.9815.qmail@web60509.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031109130200.9815.qmail@web60509.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1068385155.4931.108.camel@www.kmax.ici> Allo Friends, I was just on the way to reply to your mail, Jim, when Jan answered with all the needed concepts and details about the use of the global "securemode" property. As Jan describe, transcript give us all what's needed to avoid sad problems. We just need to take care about setting the securemode to true before opening an "unknowed" stack. In about what happens to Dan : There will always be less creative and non-violent persons than destructive and unfriendly peoples over the word. It's bad but it's so. The only good news in this bad story is perhaps that more and more people are testing and using Revolution over the world. I hope that all of them are licensed peoples. Kind Regards from Paris, Pierre Le dim 09/11/2003 ? 14:02, Jan Schenkel a ?crit : > --- Jim Lyons wrote: > > Recently, Dan Schafer wrote: > > > (One of these days I'll understand the > > > mentality vandals who derive joy from merely > > disrupting the lives and > > > sanity of others. On second thought, I hope I > > never do understand that. > > > It's abominable.) > > > > A dark thought that has been lurking in my > > world-weary mind is the risk > > we take by downloading stacks and running them on > > our machines. As more > > and more folks discover Revolution, there are more > > and more things to > > share and check out. So far, we have a cozy, > > friendly community of users > > and none of us would think of using Rev for anything > > disruptive, or > > worse. I feel pretty confident downloading things > > from the sites of > > people we have come to "know" here on the list. But > > we all know very > > well that some innocent looking little "Christmas > > Message" stack could > > conceal anything from a prank to a disaster. With > > Rev's internet > > capabilities, I suppose it could even be used to > > launch a worm. > > > > So what can we do, other than only run stacks from > > reputable sources? I > > know there's no way to scan a stack and tell if it's > > evil. Would it be > > possible to devise a kind of sandbox to test new > > stacks in, that would > > prevent and report on attempts to write to the disk > > drive, send > > something over the net, etc? > > > > Hoping for a better world, > > Jim Lyons > > > > Hi Jim, > > Have a look at the global property 'secureMode' -- > from its entry in the Transcript Dictionary : > > "Comments: > If the secureMode property is set to true, the > application cannot use the get, put, open file, read > from file, or write to file commands to gain access to > local files. The application cannot run programs with > the shell function, the open process command, or the > launch command. On Windows systems, it cannot use the > deleteRegistry, queryRegistry, or setRegistry > functions to access the Windows system registry." > > You could build a small player standalone that sets > secureMode to true on startup, and where you can enter > the URL and run it from there. > > Hope this helped, > > Jan Schenkel. > > ===== > "As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time." (La Rochefoucauld) > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard > http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores 100, rue de Paris F - 77140 Nemours psahores at easynet.fr GSM: +33 6 03 95 77 70 Pro: +33 1 41 60 52 68 Dom: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Fax: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Inspection acad?mique de Seine-Saint-Denis Applications et SGBD ACID SQL (WEB et PGI) Penser et produire "delta de productivit?" From rpresender at earthlink.net Sun Nov 9 10:37:59 2003 From: rpresender at earthlink.net (Robert Presender) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 07:37:59 -0800 Subject: Menu divide line Message-ID: Hi, Using Mac OS 10.2.8, rev up to 2.1.1 A funny thing happened on the way to ...... I am trying to get the dividing line to show when in the 'Set as Menu Bar on Mac OS' mode. Instead of a line, a blank space occurs. Can't get rid of the 'disabled' even tho it is not checked after I un-check it. When 'Set as Menu Bar on Mac OS' mode is false the dividing line appears. Used the 'insert a divider line at the horizontal bar' button per docs. Also tried doing it directly with 'New item' Any Suggestions? TIA Regards ... Bob From jtenny at willamette.edu Sun Nov 9 11:07:19 2003 From: jtenny at willamette.edu (John Tenny) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 08:07:19 -0800 Subject: doubled keystrokes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Something new with my new Powerbook and Panther and Rev 2.1... I think Panther is the culprit but not sure When I use the Apple-2 or Apple-3 keys to navigate from card to card, it will sometimes go into a state where it jumps two cards instead of one. I can use the pull down menu to step card by card just fine. Closing and reopening a stack seems to remove the problem. Anyone else? John From klaus at major-k.de Sun Nov 9 11:39:35 2003 From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 17:39:35 +0100 Subject: Menu divide line In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D50D2E9-12D3-11D8-92DC-000A27B49A96@major-k.de> Hi Robert, > Hi, > > Using Mac OS 10.2.8, rev up to 2.1.1 > > A funny thing happened on the way to ...... > > I am trying to get the dividing line to show when in the > 'Set as Menu Bar on Mac OS' mode. > Instead of a line, a blank space occurs. > Can't get rid of the 'disabled' even tho it is not checked after I > un-check it. > > When 'Set as Menu Bar on Mac OS' mode is false > the dividing line appears. > > Used the 'insert a divider line at the horizontal bar' button per > docs. > Also tried doing it directly with 'New item' > > Any Suggestions? TIA As far as is remember, i'm running 10.3 for 2 weeks and very happy with it :-) this was a cometic bug in OS X 10.2.X... With "Panther" these little lines are back again, without switching the RR version! BTW, today i'm running RR 2.1.2... Ooops... ;-) > Regards ... Bob Hope that helps... Regards Klaus Major klaus at major-k.de www.major-k.de From livfoss at blueyonder.co.uk Sun Nov 9 11:40:15 2003 From: livfoss at blueyonder.co.uk (Graham Samuel) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 16:40:15 +0000 Subject: GIF animation problem Message-ID: Still struggling with this one (buttons whose icons are derived from animated GIFs won't animate when the buttons overlap). I got it to work by moving the GIFs onto the same card as the buttons and giving them locs like (-10000, -10000) so the user can't see them. Heaven knows why this makes it work - as a solution it's more or less snake oil really. However this has created another problem that I've never seen before: the app works in MacOS9, MacOSX and Windows XP, but consistently crashes on Windows 95 with an Invalid Page Fault. I have never heard of a RunRev standalone that works in one version of Windows and not another. Can anyone suggest what the problem is? Graham -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Graham Samuel / The Living Fossil Co. / UK & France From scott at tactilemedia.com Sun Nov 9 12:09:44 2003 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2003 09:09:44 -0800 Subject: GIF animation problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 11/9/03 8:40 AM, "Graham Samuel" wrote: > However this has created another problem that I've never seen before: > the app works in MacOS9, MacOSX and Windows XP, but consistently > crashes on Windows 95 with an Invalid Page Fault. I have never heard > of a RunRev standalone that works in one version of Windows and not > another. > > Can anyone suggest what the problem is? Not sure if this is related but I once developed a stack heavy with animated GIFs that ran fine on Macs, but crashed a number of Windows machines (not all). The only solution was to reduce the number animated GIFs and use buttons whose icons were set to the ids of the GIFs to create the illusion of more than a few GIFs. Alternatively, consider the fact the Win95 is a severely old system and supporting it may be more trouble than it's worth to you. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design ----- E: scott at tactilemedia.com W: http://www.tactilemedia.com From rpresender at earthlink.net Sun Nov 9 12:38:36 2003 From: rpresender at earthlink.net (Robert Presender) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 09:38:36 -0800 Subject: Menu divide line In-Reply-To: <20031109170003.F05979300B0@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <8BD52EEF-12DB-11D8-B115-000393A19046@earthlink.net> Hi Klaus, On Sunday, November 9, 2003, at 09:00 AM, Klaus Major wrote: > Hi Robert, > >> Hi, >> >> Using Mac OS 10.2.8, rev up to 2.1.1 >> >> A funny thing happened on the way to ...... >> >> I am trying to get the dividing line to show when in the >> 'Set as Menu Bar on Mac OS' mode. >> Instead of a line, a blank space occurs. >> Can't get rid of the 'disabled' even tho it is not checked after I >> un-check it. >> >> When 'Set as Menu Bar on Mac OS' mode is false >> the dividing line appears. >> >> Used the 'insert a divider line at the horizontal bar' button per >> docs. >> Also tried doing it directly with 'New item' >> >> Any Suggestions? TIA > > As far as is remember, i'm running 10.3 for 2 weeks and very happy with > it :-) > this was a cometic bug in OS X 10.2.X... > > With "Panther" these little lines are back again, without switching the > RR version! Thank you for the info. Haven't upgraded to Panther yet. Guess my 10x apps will just have to have the blank space. I could use "Divide Here" instead of '-' !!!!!!!!!!! > > BTW, today i'm running RR 2.1.2... > Ooops... ;-) Some people are always ahead! Just kidding. Haven't seen it yet on Rev site or message. > >> Regards ... Bob > > Hope that helps... Thanks again. > Regards > > Klaus Major > klaus at major-k.de > www.major-k.de Regards ... Bob From klaus at major-k.de Sun Nov 9 13:33:36 2003 From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 19:33:36 +0100 Subject: Menu divide line In-Reply-To: <8BD52EEF-12DB-11D8-B115-000393A19046@earthlink.net> References: <8BD52EEF-12DB-11D8-B115-000393A19046@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3B45D0E5-12E3-11D8-92DC-000A27B49A96@major-k.de> Hi Robert, >> ... >> As far as is remember, i'm running 10.3 for 2 weeks and very happy >> with >> it :-) this was a cometic bug in OS X 10.2.X... >> With "Panther" these little lines are back again, without switching >> the >> RR version! > > Thank you for the info. Haven't upgraded to Panther yet. Guess my > 10x apps will just > have to have the blank space. I could use "Divide Here" instead of '-' > !!!!!!!!!!! Brillant idea :-) >> >> BTW, today i'm running RR 2.1.2... >> Ooops... ;-) > > Some people are always ahead! That's for sure :-) But even i am late ;-), since the listing of the ftp-server (hint, hint) shows friday as the posting date... > Just kidding. Haven't seen it yet on Rev site or message. No comment for the sake of peace :-D >> Regards Klaus Major klaus at major-k.de www.major-k.de From e.reicher at gmx.at Sun Nov 9 14:15:54 2003 From: e.reicher at gmx.at (Ernst M. Reicher) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 20:15:54 +0100 Subject: need advice form Guru - traffic light app Message-ID: <059101c3a6f5$e665b790$0f00a8c0@EMRBUERO> Hi, I want to make an application which shoes something like traffic lights in a small window on 5 computers in a network. Each traffic light represents one of this computers. When I set my (computer 1) traffic light to yellow on all coputers traffic light 1 should become yellow. When the user on computer 2 sets his traffic light to red on all computers traffic light 2 should become red. and so on I think it?s easy to imagine what I want... Can anybody give me some principle advice how to realize this?? Regards, Ernst From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net Sun Nov 9 15:09:16 2003 From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas J McGrath III) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 15:09:16 -0500 Subject: need advice form Guru - traffic light app In-Reply-To: <059101c3a6f5$e665b790$0f00a8c0@EMRBUERO> Message-ID: <9827214C-12F0-11D8-AE46-000A95DA60FA@adelphia.net> FWIW, I think that this would be a good place for a custom property in each light and then a name group/item name that matches that computer in some way. Then a custom handler at the stack level to intercept a message from other computers and set this computers light set. A button or mouseUp in the light that sends the custom message to other computers on the network based upon which light is pressed. If on a Mac then use an apple-event. I don't know what you could do on a Win. On Sunday, November 9, 2003, at 02:15 PM, Ernst M. Reicher wrote: > Hi, > I want to make an application which shoes something like traffic > lights in a small window on 5 computers in a network. > > Each traffic light represents one of this computers. > When I set my (computer 1) traffic light to yellow on all coputers > traffic light 1 should become yellow. > When the user on computer 2 sets his traffic light to red on all > computers traffic light 2 should become red. > and so on > > I think it?s easy to imagine what I want... > > Can anybody give me some principle advice how to realize this?? > > Regards, > Ernst > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > Thomas J McGrath III Advanced Media Group 220 Drake Rd. Bethel Park, PA 15102 3mcgrath at adelphia.net From jeanne at runrev.com Sun Nov 9 15:53:01 2003 From: jeanne at runrev.com (Jeanne A. E. DeVoto) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 12:53:01 -0800 Subject: New stack title query In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 8:55 PM -0700 11/8/2003, David Squance wrote: >I'm new to OS X and what little I've done with RR was mostly in 1.1.1. >I've been playing a little with RR2.1.1 in OS 10.3 and can't seem to get a >new stack to change from untitled to the given name when it's saved. I >don't recall any such problem before. There's likely something obvious I'm >missing, but it's rather confusing. Help! The file name isn't the same as the stack name. What you do is choose Stack Inspectoor from the Object menu and fill in a stack name and/or title. -- Jeanne DeVoto ~ jeanne at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution - User-Centric Development Tools ~~~ Check our web site for new Revolution editions & special offers ~~~ From ambassador at fourthworld.com Sun Nov 9 16:22:52 2003 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2003 13:22:52 -0800 Subject: Rev Sandbox? In-Reply-To: <1068385155.4931.108.camel@www.kmax.ici> Message-ID: Pierre Sahores wrote: > I was just on the way to reply to your mail, Jim, when Jan answered with > all the needed concepts and details about the use of the global > "securemode" property. As Jan describe, transcript give us all what's > needed to avoid sad problems. We just need to take care about setting > the securemode to true before opening an "unknowed" stack. secureMode might be used more often if it also allowed at least a modest form of local storage, a la "cookies". For more see the Bugzilla request #867 at . Feel free to vote if it would be useful for you. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation ___________________________________________________________ Ambassador at FourthWorld.com http://www.FourthWorld.com Tel: 323-225-3717 AIM: FourthWorldInc From ambassador at fourthworld.com Sun Nov 9 16:27:13 2003 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2003 13:27:13 -0800 Subject: Rev Sandbox? In-Reply-To: <20031109130200.9815.qmail@web60509.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Jan Schenkel wrote: > You could build a small player standalone that sets > secureMode to true on startup, and where you can enter > the URL and run it from there. Or even just a plugin, but remember that once it's set you must quit the app before you can save anything again. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation ___________________________________________________________ Ambassador at FourthWorld.com http://www.FourthWorld.com Tel: 323-225-3717 AIM: FourthWorldInc From alex at mindlube.com Sun Nov 9 16:32:23 2003 From: alex at mindlube.com (Alex Rice) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 14:32:23 -0700 Subject: New stack title query In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <34BFD832-12FC-11D8-A0BF-000393C4760A@mindlube.com> On Nov 9, 2003, at 1:53 PM, Jeanne A. E. DeVoto wrote: > The file name isn't the same as the stack name. What you do is choose > Stack Inspectoor from the Object menu and fill in a stack name and/or > title. It's good to have separate name and filename properties! But can be confusing because the Save Stack dialog will offer "TheName.rev" for an unsaved stack with name "TheName". (Or "Untitled.rev" for stack "Untitled"). Alex Rice | Mindlube Software | what a waste of thumbs that are opposable to make machines that are disposable -Ani DiFranco From alex at mindlube.com Sun Nov 9 16:36:23 2003 From: alex at mindlube.com (Alex Rice) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 14:36:23 -0700 Subject: New stack title query In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Nov 8, 2003, at 8:55 PM, David Squance wrote: > There's likely something obvious I'm > missing, but it's rather confusing. Help! David, you are dealing with stack 3 properties here the name the filename the title When your stack has an asterisk in the titlebar it's showing the NAME property, and there is no title set yet. The filename is actually a path ending in "whatever.rev" Hope this helps in addition to what Jeanne said, Alex Rice | Mindlube Software | what a waste of thumbs that are opposable to make machines that are disposable -Ani DiFranco From yvescoppe at skynet.be Sun Nov 9 16:44:20 2003 From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (Yves COPPE) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 22:44:20 +0100 Subject: Problem for building a stack Message-ID: Hello, I have a stack (main stack is a splashscreen) with two little substacks when I build a distribution, it stops on "now setting Profil options on stack "xxx"" it stops there and just do nothing...no build ???? I'm using Rev 2.1.1 on Mac OS X 2.8 Any help ? thank you very much. Bien amicalement. Yves COPPE yvescoppe at skynet.be From pierre.bernaert at mac.com Sun Nov 9 17:07:45 2003 From: pierre.bernaert at mac.com (Pierre Bernaert) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 23:07:45 +0100 Subject: Building and cursor Problem Message-ID: <25D1145E-1301-11D8-A8E3-000A27AF1BBC@mac.com> hi friends, Using Mac OS X.2.6 and Rev 2.1 i have a stack and a substack. The stack contains a field into which user can data. The substack contains 3 fields into which user cant type data. Under browsing in development environment the cursor reacts correctly switching from arrow to IBeam when going from card to field. Launching the .rev without Revolution gives the same good result as far as the cursor evolution is concerned. Building a standalone or files gives a weird result when using them: Although giving the possibility to type into fields correctly the pointer appears OK into the field , but the cursor stays always the same: the busy cursor (The spinning balloon). When into the field or on the card it doesn't spin it makes an eighth of a spin when entering the field and an other eighth when leaving the field or going from stack to substack or back. I included into the distribution "Cursors" and image and pattern libraries as well as the standard Icons. Having added a script "On mouseEnter " setting lockscreen to true and set cursor to IBeam with an "On MouseLeave" didn't change anything. What else could I have missed ? Has someone an idea ? Thanks Pierre From engleerica at yahoo.com Sun Nov 9 17:18:12 2003 From: engleerica at yahoo.com (Eric Engle) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 14:18:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: Applet in a stack? In-Reply-To: <20031109220640.40172930094@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <20031109221812.34579.qmail@web60503.mail.yahoo.com> I know I loathe Java, and perhaps you do to. I much prefer xTalk. However I am wondering whether MC/RR can run an applet from within a stack? I know we can call up a browser window, and get at the applet that way. But suppose I was a masochist and wanted to use my (or my likely someone elses) applet within my stack. Can MC/RR do that? If not, is it planned? If not how difficult would it be to write an XCMD or somehow access the java plugin? Sorry if this question seems ignorant or pointless, but in my MC/RR evangelizing this -will- be asked, and I need to have an answer. Oh, my digital media instructors really liked my presentation of MC/RR as a development tool of choice for rapid cross platform development. Heh. I also have some leads for a 3d engine that works with MC. The people developing the engine seem talented but isolated. If anyone wants their contact info just ask me off list. I think this would be a good feature, the ability to act as a 3d engine front end. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From psahores at easynet.fr Sun Nov 9 17:29:22 2003 From: psahores at easynet.fr (Pierre Sahores) Date: 09 Nov 2003 23:29:22 +0100 Subject: Applet in a stack? In-Reply-To: <20031109221812.34579.qmail@web60503.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031109221812.34579.qmail@web60503.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1068416962.4930.155.camel@www.kmax.ici> Le dim 09/11/2003 ? 23:18, Eric Engle a ?crit : > I know I loathe Java, and perhaps you do to. I much prefer xTalk. However I am > wondering whether MC/RR can run an applet from within a stack? I know we can > call up a browser window, and get at the applet that way. But suppose I was a > masochist and wanted to use my (or my likely someone elses) applet within my > stack. Can MC/RR do that? If not, is it planned? If not how difficult would it > be to write an XCMD or somehow access the java plugin? Perhaps can you try to see how to launch the applets via the transcript "shell()" command. > > Sorry if this question seems ignorant or pointless, but in my MC/RR > evangelizing this -will- be asked, and I need to have an answer. > > Oh, my digital media instructors really liked my presentation of MC/RR as a > development tool of choice for rapid cross platform development. Heh. I also > have some leads for a 3d engine that works with MC. The people developing the > engine seem talented but isolated. If anyone wants their contact info just ask > me off list. I think this would be a good feature, the ability to act as a 3d > engine front end. > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard > http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores 100, rue de Paris F - 77140 Nemours psahores at easynet.fr GSM: +33 6 03 95 77 70 Pro: +33 1 41 60 52 68 Dom: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Fax: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Inspection acad?mique de Seine-Saint-Denis Applications et SGBD ACID SQL (WEB et PGI) Penser et produire "delta de productivit?" From scott at tactilemedia.com Sun Nov 9 17:32:49 2003 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2003 14:32:49 -0800 Subject: Building and cursor Problem In-Reply-To: <25D1145E-1301-11D8-A8E3-000A27AF1BBC@mac.com> Message-ID: On 11/9/03 2:07 PM, "Pierre Bernaert" wrote: > Building a standalone or files gives a weird result when using them: > > Although giving the possibility to type into fields correctly the > pointer appears OK into the field , but the cursor stays always the > same: the busy cursor (The spinning balloon). > When into the field or on the card it doesn't spin it makes an eighth > of a spin when entering the field and an other eighth when leaving the > field or going from stack to substack or back. > > I included into the distribution "Cursors" and image and pattern > libraries as well as the standard Icons. > Having added a script "On mouseEnter " setting lockscreen to true and > set cursor to IBeam with an "On MouseLeave" didn't change anything. > > What else could I have missed ? To change the cursor to a different image and maintain it, you need to set the lockCursor to true: set lockCursor to true set cursor to watch To use the "busy" cursor (spinning ball) you need to repeatedly call "set cursor to busy" within a loop or similar repeating construct to make the continually spin. put 0 into X set lockCursor to true repeat while X < 10 set cursor to busy add 1 to X wait 10 end repeat set lockCursor to false Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design ----- E: scott at tactilemedia.com W: http://www.tactilemedia.com From sarahr at genesearch.com.au Sun Nov 9 17:36:30 2003 From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 08:36:30 +1000 Subject: New stack title query In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <29E120AA-1305-11D8-B884-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au> I had a problem when I tried to rename a stack but the original name "Untitled x" kept popping back into the field. It turned out that I was trying to use a stack name that I had already used in that stack file (I had forgotten that I had already created that stack), so Rev didn't allow me to give two stacks the same name. Could that be your problem? Cheers, Sarah sarahr at genesearch.com.au http://www.troz.net/Rev/ On Sunday, November 9, 2003, at 01:54 pm, David Squance wrote: > Hello Group, > I'm new to OS X and what little I've done with RR was mostly in 1.1.1. > I've been playing a little with RR2.1.1 in OS 10.3 and can't seem to > get a > new stack to change from untitled to the given name when it's saved. I > don't recall any such problem before. There's likely something > obvious I'm > missing, but it's rather confusing. Help! > Thanks, > Dave From scott at tactilemedia.com Sun Nov 9 17:41:09 2003 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2003 14:41:09 -0800 Subject: Applet in a stack? In-Reply-To: <20031109221812.34579.qmail@web60503.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > I am wondering whether MC/RR can run a [Java] applet from within a stack? One way is with altBrowser which allows embedding of IE or Mozilla within a stack (Windows only). http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/RunRev/altBrowser.htm Otherwise, I don't believe there's any native Java environment for Rev. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design ----- E: scott at tactilemedia.com W: http://www.tactilemedia.com From sarahr at genesearch.com.au Sun Nov 9 17:38:50 2003 From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 08:38:50 +1000 Subject: Converting times In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <7D8C788F-1305-11D8-B884-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au> Neil, OS 9 handles daylight saving in a very different way to OS X. In OS 9 it is an option that you turn on in the control panel, OS X just does it on it's own and you can't over-ride it. I guess it gets the data directly from the time servers or it has it built into the selectable locations. I don't know how Windows does it, but obviously OS 9 behaves much better :-) Cheers, Sarah sarahr at genesearch.com.au http://www.troz.net/Rev/ On Friday, November 7, 2003, at 08:20 pm, Neil Phillips wrote: > I live just south of Sydney. Jonathan's initial scripts produced the > correct time on my G3 running Rev 2.1.1 on Mac OS 9.2.2. The computer > is > set to go to daylight saving time automatically. > > I don't think this is a daylight saving issue. Perhaps you should test > it > in OS 9.2. > > Cheers > > Neil From sarahr at genesearch.com.au Sun Nov 9 17:40:50 2003 From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 08:40:50 +1000 Subject: need advice form Guru - traffic light app In-Reply-To: <059101c3a6f5$e665b790$0f00a8c0@EMRBUERO> Message-ID: I suggest you use sockets and have each computer broadcast on a specific port number when it's traffic light changes state. All the computers need to be listening on that same port number and they can change their states according to the messages they receive. If you need some example scripts, let me know. Cheers, Sarah sarahr at genesearch.com.au http://www.troz.net/Rev/ On Monday, November 10, 2003, at 05:17 am, Ernst M. Reicher wrote: > Hi, > I want to make an application which shoes something like traffic > lights in a small window on 5 computers in a network. > > Each traffic light represents one of this computers. > When I set my (computer 1) traffic light to yellow on all coputers > traffic light 1 should become yellow. > When the user on computer 2 sets his traffic light to red on all > computers traffic light 2 should become red. > and so on > > I think it?s easy to imagine what I want... > > Can anybody give me some principle advice how to realize this?? > > Regards, > Ernst From scott at tactilemedia.com Sun Nov 9 17:49:42 2003 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2003 14:49:42 -0800 Subject: Mac OS X default button = 100% CPU usage In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 11/8/03 1:35 PM, "Richard Gaskin" wrote: >> Throbbing buttons are kinda cool, too bad they can't figure a way to >> multitask the things so they don't hog the CPU. > > They have a cool appearance, but are arguably counterproductive in actual > use (beyond being a CPU hog). > > A default button must be visually distinct enough to make it clear that it > is the default action for a dialog. But what Steve & Co. forgot was that > the most important element in a dialog is the dialog's content, not the > default button. [ lots of humorous commentary snipped ] As usual, Richard makes some great points. However, the fact that throbbing buttons are currently part of the native OS requires that we have some way to support them, whether native routines, animated images or something else. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design ----- E: scott at tactilemedia.com W: http://www.tactilemedia.com From gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com Sun Nov 9 18:34:22 2003 From: gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com (Geoff Canyon) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 15:34:22 -0800 Subject: Mac OS X default button = 100% CPU usage In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F7DFF9C-130D-11D8-8BA1-003065683ECC@inspiredlogic.com> Another thing to consider about the throbbing default button is that familiarity reduces the distraction. I barely notice the thing anymore. The content (which is different each time) draws more attention. regards, Geoff Canyon gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com On Nov 9, 2003, at 2:49 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: > As usual, Richard makes some great points. However, the fact that > throbbing > buttons are currently part of the native OS requires that we have some > way > to support them, whether native routines, animated images or something > else. From pierre.bernaert at mac.com Sun Nov 9 18:56:17 2003 From: pierre.bernaert at mac.com (Pierre Bernaert) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 00:56:17 +0100 Subject: Building and cursor Problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4EE6D468-1310-11D8-9314-000A27AF1BBC@mac.com> Hi Scott, The problem is the reverse, I want as I could expect to have the IBeam cursor when going over the field I can type into. I think this is a normal behavior for fields that can be modified. In other words why, after building when entering the cursor into the card (Outside the field) have I the busy cursor although no script should be running ? And why although a MouseEntrer's script in the field setting the lockCusor to true and a set cursor to IBeam I don't get the IBeam Cursor and stay with a non spinning busy cursor ? Thanks Pierre Le dimanche, 9 nov 2003, ? 23:32 Europe/Paris, Scott Rossi a ?crit : > On 11/9/03 2:07 PM, "Pierre Bernaert" wrote: > >> Building a standalone or files gives a weird result when using them: >> >> Although giving the possibility to type into fields correctly the >> pointer appears OK into the field , but the cursor stays always the >> same: the busy cursor (The spinning balloon). >> When into the field or on the card it doesn't spin it makes an eighth >> of a spin when entering the field and an other eighth when leaving the >> field or going from stack to substack or back. >> >> I included into the distribution "Cursors" and image and pattern >> libraries as well as the standard Icons. >> Having added a script "On mouseEnter " setting lockscreen to true and >> set cursor to IBeam with an "On MouseLeave" didn't change anything. >> >> What else could I have missed ? > > To change the cursor to a different image and maintain it, you need to > set > the lockCursor to true: > > set lockCursor to true > set cursor to watch > > To use the "busy" cursor (spinning ball) you need to repeatedly call > "set > cursor to busy" within a loop or similar repeating construct to make > the > continually spin. > > put 0 into X > set lockCursor to true > repeat while X < 10 > set cursor to busy > add 1 to X > wait 10 > end repeat > set lockCursor to false > > Regards, > > Scott Rossi > Creative Director > Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design > ----- > E: scott at tactilemedia.com > W: http://www.tactilemedia.com > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From scott at tactilemedia.com Sun Nov 9 19:23:04 2003 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2003 16:23:04 -0800 Subject: Building and cursor Problem In-Reply-To: <4EE6D468-1310-11D8-9314-000A27AF1BBC@mac.com> Message-ID: On 11/9/03 3:56 PM, "Pierre Bernaert" wrote: > The problem is the reverse, I want as I could expect to have the IBeam > cursor when going over the field I can type into. I think this is a > normal behavior for fields that can be modified. Yes, that's the way you would expect it to work. > In other words why, after building when entering the cursor into the > card (Outside the field) have I the busy cursor although no script > should be running ? > And why although a MouseEntrer's script in the field setting the > lockCusor to true and a set cursor to IBeam I don't get the IBeam > Cursor and stay with a non spinning busy cursor ? It sounds like some script in your stack is causing this -- perhaps you have some mouse-related scripts operating somewhere. Also, are you sure you're setting lockCursor to true? In your previous mail, you stated you were setting the "lockscreen" which which will have no effect on the cursor. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design ----- E: scott at tactilemedia.com W: http://www.tactilemedia.com From keith at vortex.co.uk Sun Nov 9 19:45:56 2003 From: keith at vortex.co.uk (keith) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 00:45:56 +0000 Subject: Menu divide line In-Reply-To: <4D50D2E9-12D3-11D8-92DC-000A27B49A96@major-k.de> References: <4D50D2E9-12D3-11D8-92DC-000A27B49A96@major-k.de> Message-ID: Sometime around 9/11/03 (at 5:39 pm +0100) Klaus Major said: >As far as is remember, i'm running 10.3 for 2 weeks and very happy with it :-) >this was a cometic bug in OS X 10.2.X... > >With "Panther" these little lines are back again, without switching >the RR version! It wasn't a bug in previous versions of OS X, that's how it was meant to be. All OS X apps have that, so your productions won't look out of place because of that. But I'm happy that lines are back - it feels that much more 'right'. k From squance at elkvalley.net Sun Nov 9 19:47:05 2003 From: squance at elkvalley.net (David Squance) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 17:47:05 -0700 Subject: New stack title query In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >On Nov 8, 2003, at 8:55 PM, David Squance wrote: >> There's likely something obvious I'm >> missing, but it's rather confusing. Help! > >David, you are dealing with stack 3 properties here > >the name >the filename >the title > >When your stack has an asterisk in the titlebar it's showing the NAME >property, and there is no title set yet. > >The filename is actually a path ending in "whatever.rev" > >Hope this helps in addition to what Jeanne said, Yes, thanks. I'd worked out a little later how to get rid of "untitled", but I didn't remember about the asterisk. So there's no need to add .rev to stack names, I gather. Is the .rev added to a filename automatically, but not if one is typed in thereby avoiding having whatever.rev.rev? Just curious? Dave From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu Sun Nov 9 19:54:24 2003 From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 16:54:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: Applet in a stack? In-Reply-To: <20031109221812.34579.qmail@web60503.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Lucky you! Mine won't even look at it/let me use it (except for my final project -- yippee!). Of course, they think that a school's morning announcements on the PA system = multimedia and that Hypercard was 'a cheap rip-off of Visual Basic', and that --get this -- VBA stands for... "Visual Basic Analogue". Feel free to laugh yourselves silly... Judy On Sun, 9 Nov 2003, Eric Engle wrote: > Oh, my digital media instructors really liked my presentation of MC/RR as a > development tool of choice for rapid cross platform development. From pixelbird at interisland.net Sun Nov 9 19:56:12 2003 From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris) Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2003 16:56:12 -0800 Subject: Image advice In-Reply-To: <20031109220639.DF37A930093@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: Oh dear, here I go again... OK, here's the setup: I have a graphic image, a simulated plastic color bar with the color gradient I want, which I can see right through to the text under it (srcOr). Now, the metaphor needs a graphically depicted "mounting device", in this case it simulates a metal mounting bracket to which the plastic bar above is attached, and slides up and down on a brass rod. It must, of course, be opaque. The problem comes when the opaque "bracket" seems to include an opaque white space as part of its rectangle between it's top and bottom arms, right where the "plastic bar" is supposed to go. That is, that part of the plastic bar can no longer see through. In SuperCard, I was able to group the two graphics together, and the metal part opened itself to the see-through part perfectly when mated into a group. However, SC graphic images are held a lot different than Rev, so I can't bring it into Rev as is. So, now that all that is perfectly clear ;-) , here is the question: How do I marry the opaque bracket to the see-through bar in such a way that the metal parts of the bracket image is opaque, but 'nothing', i.e., no opaque white section, is in the part where the see-through bar fits (I tried all the inks, but nothing works)? TIA, Ken N. From larkbin at yahoo.co.kr Sun Nov 9 21:17:02 2003 From: larkbin at yahoo.co.kr (lbpark) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 11:17:02 +0900 Subject: Need Sample for passing structure and pointer to and from C References: <20031107170007.8896F930077@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <004001c3a730$bce467a0$0100a8c0@lbpark> > Subject: Re: Read shared memory in unix > > On Nov 6, 2003, at 6:30 PM, lbpark wrote: > > > Hi, > > Is it possible to read a shared memory in unix by Revolution? > > Or Can handle memroy address directly ? > > Hi, I'm pretty sure you would have to write a Revolution external > library in C to do the system calls and put the result back into a > transcript variable or array. Thanks for the help. First I have to tell that I'm new to Runtime Revolution. But I'd like to use it for RR's support for multiplatform. I can build a C library for basic operations to be used by other programs like RR. So if you could show me how to communicate between C and RR, that should be a great help for me. Thanks. From alex at mindlube.com Sun Nov 9 23:44:26 2003 From: alex at mindlube.com (Alex Rice) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 21:44:26 -0700 Subject: Need Sample for passing structure and pointer to and from C In-Reply-To: <004001c3a730$bce467a0$0100a8c0@lbpark> References: <20031107170007.8896F930077@mail.runrev.com> <004001c3a730$bce467a0$0100a8c0@lbpark> Message-ID: <902FFCE1-1338-11D8-9D3B-000393C4760A@mindlube.com> On Nov 9, 2003, at 7:17 PM, lbpark wrote: > Thanks for the help. > > First I have to tell that I'm new to Runtime Revolution. But I'd like > to use it for > RR's support for multiplatform. I've only been using it < 2 years so I'm pretty new compared a lot of these folks :-) Just curious: what are kind of external are you writing? > I can build a C library for basic operations to be used by other > programs like RR. > So if you could show me how to communicate between C and RR, that > should be > a great help for me. Download the SDK externals.tgz/sit here Maybe it's available from runrev.com but if so I can't find it. Build and work with the example: external.c . You will build external.dll, which you then put into your Revolution (or standalone) directory and do in the message box for your stack: set the externals of this stack to "external.dll" Basically how the externals.c works is you define Xname the name of your external, and Xtable which declares what commands and functions will be available from transcript. Then you implement those commands and functions in C with the parameters: void MyFunctionOrCommand(char *args[], int nargs, char **retstring, Bool *pass, Bool *error) There are C functions for accessing many parts of the RR environment, including getting and setting variables and arrays. re: your specific question- Runrev does does not have a pointer type. Or a structure type. You will have to get creative how to write transcript function and commands to wrap the structures/pointers. One example of an external wrapper is revxml, which I think is based on a C or C++ library. Each revxml function begins with the parameter "treeID", which is presumably a pointer to the XML tree object in the C library. There is unfortunately no documentation in the SDK, just a sample project with a few comments here and there. Runrev: we need SDK docs, already! Alex Rice | Mindlube Software | what a waste of thumbs that are opposable to make machines that are disposable -Ani DiFranco From jason at rippetoe.com Mon Nov 10 01:26:13 2003 From: jason at rippetoe.com (Jason Rippetoe) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 06:26:13 -0000 Subject: Window Resizing Head-scratcher... Message-ID: <1DB3BA36-F475-11D6-8554-000393CFB710@rippetoe.com> Hello all; I have a stack that I want to run on screens at 800x600 or higher resolution. I have set the "Size and Position" settings in the inspector for 800x600, and the "resizable?" box is not selected. The stack is set to hide menubar/hide taskbar at stack startup and use a backdrop. When being developed, it appears as an 800x600 window on my 1024x768 display. However, when I built a stand-alone to test and set the monitor to 800x600, the window was smaller, blocking off chunks of the graphics. In the Rev development environment, it behaves the same- if I start the stack while the monitor is set to 800x600, the window is smaller, with the inspector telling me it is now 726x458. I've tested it and determined that this behavior is present whether I use the hide menubar/hide taskbar or not or whether or not a backdrop is used. Any ideas on why my windows are resizing? Thanks in advance! -Jason From monte at sweattechnologies.com Mon Nov 10 01:34:24 2003 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 17:04:24 +1030 Subject: Window Resizing Head-scratcher... In-Reply-To: <1DB3BA36-F475-11D6-8554-000393CFB710@rippetoe.com> Message-ID: > > Hello all; > > I have a stack that I want to run on screens at 800x600 or higher > resolution. I have set the "Size and Position" settings in the > inspector for 800x600, and the "resizable?" box is not selected. The > stack is set to hide menubar/hide taskbar at stack startup and use a > backdrop. > > When being developed, it appears as an 800x600 window on my 1024x768 > display. However, when I built a stand-alone to test and set the > monitor to 800x600, the window was smaller, blocking off chunks of the > graphics. In the Rev development environment, it behaves the same- if I > start the stack while the monitor is set to 800x600, the window is > smaller, with the inspector telling me it is now 726x458. > > I've tested it and determined that this behavior is present whether I > use the hide menubar/hide taskbar or not or whether or not a backdrop > is used. > > Any ideas on why my windows are resizing? Try setting the windowBoundingRect to the screenRect Cheers Monte From opus.species at wanadoo.fr Mon Nov 10 02:12:18 2003 From: opus.species at wanadoo.fr (opus.species at wanadoo.fr) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 08:12:18 +0100 Subject: need advice form Guru - traffic light app (Ernst M. Reicher) In-Reply-To: <20031109220641.01BB8930073@mail.runrev.com> References: <20031109220641.01BB8930073@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: > I want to make an application which shoes something like traffic lights > in a small window on 5 computers in a network. There is a easy (leasy) way to perform your goal if your 5 computers can access a shared folder. Let each computer update periodically in the shared folder in small text file what contains the ticks and the color of the computer. Reading the file of the other computers, each computer can know if the other are working or not and their color. Claude Lemmel From pierre.bernaert at mac.com Mon Nov 10 03:52:56 2003 From: pierre.bernaert at mac.com (Pierre Bernaert) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 09:52:56 +0100 Subject: Building and cursor Problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <473CF123-135B-11D8-A247-000A27AF1BBC@mac.com> Le lundi, 10 nov 2003, ? 01:23 Europe/Paris, Scott Rossi a ?crit : > On 11/9/03 3:56 PM, "Pierre Bernaert" wrote: > >> The problem is the reverse, I want as I could expect to have the IBeam >> cursor when going over the field I can type into. I think this is a >> normal behavior for fields that can be modified. > > Yes, that's the way you would expect it to work. > > >> In other words why, after building when entering the cursor into the >> card (Outside the field) have I the busy cursor although no script >> should be running ? >> And why although a MouseEntrer's script in the field setting the >> lockCusor to true and a set cursor to IBeam I don't get the IBeam >> Cursor and stay with a non spinning busy cursor ? > > It sounds like some script in your stack is causing this -- perhaps > you have > some mouse-related scripts operating somewhere. Also, are you sure > you're > setting lockCursor to true? In your previous mail, you stated you were > setting the "lockscreen" which which will have no effect on the cursor. > I was wrong when making the description of my problem it is "LockCursor" and that's what I did. I'm just starting a new rather big project on OS X / Windows and being suspicious I'm verifying how it goes on before it's too large and get a lot of problems. So, I suppressed ALL scripts in stack and subStack and got the same result. The cursor is not working the way it should. That really seems to come from the building phase or Bug Thanks for helping me Regards, Pierre > > Scott Rossi > Creative Director > Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design > ----- > E: scott at tactilemedia.com > W: http://www.tactilemedia.com > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From richmond at mail.maclaunch.com Mon Nov 10 04:07:10 2003 From: richmond at mail.maclaunch.com (Mathewson) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 04:07:10 -0500 Subject: REVTOOLS hack - MAJOR update Message-ID: Dear RR afficionados I went bonkers over the weekend - the results are downloadable from the "GUI HACKS" page of my website: download, play with them, send me a postcard! Love, Richmond __________________________________________________ See Mathewson's software at: http://members.maclaunch.com/richmond/default.html and http://www.runrev.com/Revolution1/developercentral/usercontributions.html __________________________________________________ --------------------------------------------------------------- Great Macintosh Products The MacLaunch Store! http://www.maclaunch.com/cgi-launch/store/agora.cgi --------------------------------------------------------------- From shrap at geko.net.au Sun Nov 9 06:50:01 2003 From: shrap at geko.net.au (Neil Phillips) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 22:50:01 +1100 Subject: Rev and biofeedback Message-ID: Hi all, I would like to obtain or build a simple biofeedback system, for emg or skin potential feedback. Does anyone on the list know of a biofeedback system in Revolution? Also, any information about biofeed back hardware would be much appreciated. Cheers Neil From sims at ezpzapps.com Mon Nov 10 06:23:39 2003 From: sims at ezpzapps.com (sims) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 12:23:39 +0100 Subject: .swf files & Rev In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Rev Players can play ".swf" files to some degree. Can anyone tell me what the Type/Creator code for ".swf" files is? Am I correct in thinking that there would be only one version of ".swf" file? Do all Flash files which play from web pages use ".swf" as an extension? tia sims From themacguy at elp.rr.com Fri Nov 7 09:32:23 2003 From: themacguy at elp.rr.com (Barry Levine) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 07:32:23 -0700 Subject: Mac vs Windows - pouring fuel on the fire Message-ID: <33C989BC-112F-11D8-96B9-000A95763ABC@elp.rr.com> Follow this link: http://www.macuser.co.uk/?news/news_story.php?id=49508 ...and be sure to view the photo. Seems Microsoft knows that serious graphics work gets done on a Mac, not a PC. (sorry; couldn't resist.) Barry (who uses both Mac and PC) From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net Mon Nov 10 08:00:13 2003 From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas J McGrath III) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 08:00:13 -0500 Subject: Window Resizing Head-scratcher... In-Reply-To: <1DB3BA36-F475-11D6-8554-000393CFB710@rippetoe.com> Message-ID: At first, I thought I was reading my own email. LOL Jason, this is the same problem I have. The solution is to make every thing smaller than 800x600 to begin with and allow for the menus and docks, etc. first..... BUT, that still does not explain why!!!!!! I even set the resize window to false and it still resized! I set the resize stack to false and it still resized. My problem/bug was that NO RESIZE should mean NO RESIZE !!!!!! Of course I can make my graphics smaller to fit an 800x600. Of course I can build on an 800x600 and make sure it is right. Of course I can allow for a menu, dock bar etc. But when I set the resize to false, I want no resize. I develop on a 1024x768 and set window to 800x600 and after changing screen resolution to 800x600 the WINDOW DOES RESIZE ITSELF AND THEN IT STAYS THAT SIZE. It of course should not and that is the real problem. TOM On Sunday, November 10, 2002, at 01:24 AM, Jason Rippetoe wrote: > > Hello all; > > I have a stack that I want to run on screens at 800x600 or higher > resolution. I have set the "Size and Position" settings in the > inspector for 800x600, and the "resizable?" box is not selected. The > stack is set to hide menubar/hide taskbar at stack startup and use a > backdrop. > > When being developed, it appears as an 800x600 window on my 1024x768 > display. However, when I built a stand-alone to test and set the > monitor to 800x600, the window was smaller, blocking off chunks of the > graphics. In the Rev development environment, it behaves the same- if > I start the stack while the monitor is set to 800x600, the window is > smaller, with the inspector telling me it is now 726x458. > > I've tested it and determined that this behavior is present whether I > use the hide menubar/hide taskbar or not or whether or not a backdrop > is used. > > Any ideas on why my windows are resizing? > > Thanks in advance! > > -Jason > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > Thomas J McGrath III Advanced Media Group 220 Drake Rd. Bethel Park, PA 15102 3mcgrath at adelphia.net From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net Mon Nov 10 08:01:22 2003 From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas J McGrath III) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 08:01:22 -0500 Subject: Window Resizing Head-scratcher... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Monte, I tried this and did not have success. Read my other reply for the problem. Tom On Monday, November 10, 2003, at 01:34 AM, Monte Goulding wrote: >> >> Hello all; >> >> I have a stack that I want to run on screens at 800x600 or higher >> resolution. I have set the "Size and Position" settings in the >> inspector for 800x600, and the "resizable?" box is not selected. The >> stack is set to hide menubar/hide taskbar at stack startup and use a >> backdrop. >> >> When being developed, it appears as an 800x600 window on my 1024x768 >> display. However, when I built a stand-alone to test and set the >> monitor to 800x600, the window was smaller, blocking off chunks of the >> graphics. In the Rev development environment, it behaves the same- if >> I >> start the stack while the monitor is set to 800x600, the window is >> smaller, with the inspector telling me it is now 726x458. >> >> I've tested it and determined that this behavior is present whether I >> use the hide menubar/hide taskbar or not or whether or not a backdrop >> is used. >> >> Any ideas on why my windows are resizing? > > Try setting the windowBoundingRect to the screenRect > > Cheers > > Monte > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > Thomas J McGrath III Advanced Media Group 220 Drake Rd. Bethel Park, PA 15102 3mcgrath at adelphia.net From wouter.abraham at pi.be Mon Nov 10 08:25:42 2003 From: wouter.abraham at pi.be (Wouter) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 14:25:42 +0100 Subject: Book Ordering Delays Caused by DOS Attack In-Reply-To: <20031109095957.286BA93009A@mail.runrev.com> References: <20031109095957.286BA93009A@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <61ED560C-1381-11D8-B89B-003065CC999E@pi.be> On 09 Nov 2003, at 10:59, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com wrote: > > Message: 8 > Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 19:56:28 -0700 > From: Alex Rice > Subject: Re: Book Ordering Delays Caused by DOS Attack > To: How to use Revolution > snip > > The spammers have teamed up with hackers and virus writers and it's big > business - organized crime even. Spammers make big money and they can > afford to hire real programmers. Another article concerning spammers and os 9 users : http://www.tidbits.com/tb-issues/TidBITS-704.html#lnk4 Greetings, WA From mr_glyn at hotmail.com Mon Nov 10 08:42:27 2003 From: mr_glyn at hotmail.com (fred perry) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 13:42:27 +0000 Subject: BIG PROBLEMS... Message-ID: Ok here goes... Ive inserted 6 button images into my main stack. replacing the standard buttons. Saved, and built. Built program woruns with errors (Lots off) Saved *.rev wont open (at all) error mess is (Illegal operation error) blah blah blah. File size is 64.9 Mb Runtime ver 1.1.1 I would be stuffed if i didn't have a backup as i have worked on this for nearly 8 mths. What the hell is going on? (BUG)???? Exessive file size???? The annoying thing is. i all worked before i inserted theese files. _________________________________________________________________ Tired of 56k? Get a FREE BT Broadband connection http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband From klaus at major-k.de Mon Nov 10 08:59:58 2003 From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 14:59:58 +0100 Subject: .swf files & Rev In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2BDA389C-1386-11D8-9755-000A27B49A96@major-k.de> Hi Sims, > Rev Players can play ".swf" files to some degree. Yes, i think up to Flash version 5... Not sure about version 6. > Can anyone tell me what the Type/Creator code for ".swf" files is? Hm, all SWF files on my hd do NOT have a creator/type... I "saved as ..." from the QT player and ended with: TVODMooV as its filetype... Just the QT movie code...? > Am I correct in thinking that there would be only one version of > ".swf" file? Not sure, the plug-in info in Safari also lists: Mime type: application/futuresplash Description: FutureSplash Player Suffix: spl > Do all Flash files which play from web pages use ".swf" as an > extension? Probably yes... But the web is BIG and there might still be some surprises or two... ;-) > tia yw ;-) > sims Regards Klaus Major klaus at major-k.de www.major-k.de From klaus at major-k.de Mon Nov 10 09:06:37 2003 From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 15:06:37 +0100 Subject: .swf files & Rev In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1997AB4C-1387-11D8-9755-000A27B49A96@major-k.de> Hi sims, > Rev Players can play ".swf" files to some degree. > > Can anyone tell me what the Type/Creator code for ".swf" files is? found a swf file with this type/creator code in the preview folder of LiveMotion: SWF2SWFL Hope this helps... Regards Klaus Major klaus at major-k.de www.major-k.de From yvescoppe at skynet.be Mon Nov 10 09:17:33 2003 From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (Yves COPPE) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 15:17:33 +0100 Subject: Problem for building an app Message-ID: Hello, I've sent a message but without responses Consequently, I 'm afraid it must be a difficult one... So I post my message again : I have a stack (main stack is a splashscreen) with two little substacks when I build a distribution, it stops on "now setting Profil options on stack "xxx"" (stack "xxx" is a substack) it stops there and just do nothing...no build ???? I'm using Rev 2.1.1 on Mac OS X 2.8 Any help ? thank you very much. Greetings. Yves COPPE yvescoppe at skynet.be From RunRev at colegroup.com Mon Nov 10 08:11:56 2003 From: RunRev at colegroup.com (David M. Cole) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 05:11:56 -0800 Subject: os x & cgi's -- save me from dollar signs In-Reply-To: <20031110002205.8098F93009B@mail.runrev.com> References: <20031110002205.8098F93009B@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: folks: i was on this list for a while last summer and then dropped off because of other priorities. time is ripe to get started on this group of projects: i built my entire customer contact, subscription and billing systems all in hc in 1989 (well, i built most in 89; i've been tinkering a bit here and there over the years ;-) ... there are currently more than 10,000 records in a variety of stacks. i've written stacks that ran as cgi's on webstar as well, so i know how to construct and deconstruct post arguments. while i suspect i'll have an os 9 machine kicking around somewhere for years to come, i really need to move this thing into a real relational database and set it up as a thin client, because the current architecture is one-person oriented and i have a virtual business. so, i come here today asking advice: should i do this project in runrev? all the cgi engines at http://www.runrev.com/revolution/engines/ seem to be two or three years old; will these work? is the darwin version the one i want for os x? i know that sarah r released a stack for connecting to mysql last may, but is this a job more for valentina? i had to fly to the east coast yesterday and read through mysql and php for dummies and the o'reilly mysql book. i had vowed never to use a programing language that needed a dollar sign, but if runrev ain't quite ready to do this for me, then i guess i'm going to have to. thanks. \dmc -- *+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+ David M. Cole dmc at colegroup.com Editor & Publisher: The Cole Papers; NEWSINC. V: (650) 557-9595 Consultant: The Cole Group F: (650) 557-9696 *+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+ From janschenkel at yahoo.com Mon Nov 10 09:58:08 2003 From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 06:58:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: BIG PROBLEMS... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20031110145808.82513.qmail@web60505.mail.yahoo.com> --- fred perry wrote: > Ok here goes... > > Ive inserted 6 button images into my main stack. > replacing the standard > buttons. > Saved, and built. > > Built program woruns with errors (Lots off) > Saved *.rev wont open (at all) > error mess is (Illegal operation error) blah blah > blah. > > File size is 64.9 Mb > Runtime ver 1.1.1 > > I would be stuffed if i didn't have a backup as i > have worked on this for > nearly 8 mths. > What the hell is going on? (BUG)???? Exessive file > size???? > > The annoying thing is. i all worked before i > inserted theese files. > Hi Fred, A few questions to improve my understanding : - what platform are you using ? (MacOS/Windows/...) - did you import the images or reference them ? - what are the control IDs ? ---> images need to have an ID >= 300000 or they may cause conflicts with built-in images. - what do you mean when you say "Replacing the standard buttons" ? ---> does that mean you replaced buttons with image controls, or that you placed these images as icons in your buttons ? - what errors do you get from the built application ? - when you say "saved *.rev won't open", do you mean that the original file is now corrupt, or are you talking about - if you can open the original stack, what happens when you run the stack inside Revolution, but with the IDE turned off ? I have had one .bmp file that crashed Revolution on Windows ; perhaps it's a corrupt image file ? Hope this gets us closer to a solution for your troubles, Jan Schenkel. ===== "As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time." (La Rochefoucauld) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de Mon Nov 10 11:17:56 2003 From: sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de (Wilhelm Sanke) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 17:17:56 +0100 Subject: 2.1.1 better and reliable ... but Message-ID: <3FAFBA34.40503@hrz.uni-kassel.de> On Sat, 8 Nov 2003 Geoff Canyon wrote Beating a dead horse: what keyboard issue? I don't think that's been mentioned in this conversation previously. (snip) So "being unable to use the correct keyboard" may be a large issue (sounds like it) (snip) regards, Geoff Canyon Hi Geoff, Already on Oct 8th I sent a post about this bug ("Rev 2.1.1 enforces U.S.A. keyboard") and I had an exchange about that offlist with Tuviah the same day. > Rev 2.1.1 enforces a U.S.A. keyboard layout no matter what keyboard > language is set in the Windows control panel. > > This begins with the "unlock dialog" and holds everywhere for text in > fields, scripts, and custom properties. > > Rev 2.1 allows me to use my own selected language. > > This certainly needs a quick repair. It is an engine bug - not the IDE - > as you have the same problem with Metacard, too. Since last Friday in version 2.1.2 this bug has been fixed. There seems to be an internal communication problem within the Rev team? Regards, Wilhelm Sanke From klaus at major-k.de Mon Nov 10 11:35:56 2003 From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 17:35:56 +0100 Subject: tabs in panther and RR 2.1.2 look like tabs in jaguar In-Reply-To: <3FAFBA34.40503@hrz.uni-kassel.de> References: <3FAFBA34.40503@hrz.uni-kassel.de> Message-ID: Hi all, did someone watch this,too? The tabbed-buttons RR 2.1.2 under OS X 10.3 look like the tabs in OS X 10.2.X. (Which were a bit different...) They looked correct in 10.3 with RR 2.1.1. Thanks for your audience :-) Regards Klaus Major klaus at major-k.de www.major-k.de From jason at rippetoe.com Mon Nov 10 12:00:09 2003 From: jason at rippetoe.com (Jason Rippetoe) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 00:00:09 +0700 Subject: Window Resizing Head-scratcher... In-Reply-To: <20031110145721.C0DA69300CF@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <578527DD-139F-11D8-B159-000393CFB710@rippetoe.com> Thanks for your comments, Tom. I had read your issue and had gotten the impression that your situation was the extra space for dock and menu, but in my case both are hidden. The extra space above where the menu sits on Mac OS X is much wider than the space the menu takes up. At the bottom, the window extends below the Dock, so the "making room for the Dock" explanation doesn't make much sense. Anyway, I did notice a few things about the project: 1. It runs just fine under Windows XP. It seems to be a Mac OS X issue only. 2. It only effects the main stack. Substacks open at 800x600. 3. I found a work-around. I added the following to the preOpenStack in the Stack script: set the height of me to 600 set the width of me to 800 Waddya know... it works! So, I still can't answer "why," but this might help. Let me know if it solves your issue as well. -Jason On Monday, November 10, 2003, at 09:57 PM, Tom McGrath wrote: > At first, I thought I was reading my own email. LOL > Jason, this is the same problem I have. > > The solution is to make every thing smaller than 800x600 to begin with > and allow for the menus and docks, etc. first..... > BUT, that still does not explain why!!!!!! I even set the resize window > to false and it still resized! I set the resize stack to false and it > still resized. > > My problem/bug was that NO RESIZE should mean NO RESIZE !!!!!! Of > course I can make my graphics smaller to fit an 800x600. Of course I > can build on an 800x600 and make sure it is right. Of course I can > allow for a menu, dock bar etc. > > But when I set the resize to false, I want no resize. I develop on a > 1024x768 and set window to 800x600 and after changing screen resolution > to 800x600 the WINDOW DOES RESIZE ITSELF AND THEN IT STAYS THAT SIZE. > It of course should not and that is the real problem. > > TOM > From janschenkel at yahoo.com Mon Nov 10 12:22:11 2003 From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 09:22:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: os x & cgi's -- save me from dollar signs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20031110172211.74359.qmail@web60510.mail.yahoo.com> --- "David M. Cole" wrote: > folks: > > i was on this list for a while last summer and then > dropped off > because of other priorities. time is ripe to get > started on this > group of projects: > > i built my entire customer contact, subscription and > billing systems > all in hc in 1989 (well, i built most in 89; i've > been tinkering a > bit here and there over the years ;-) ... there are > currently more > than 10,000 records in a variety of stacks. i've > written stacks that > ran as cgi's on webstar as well, so i know how to > construct and > deconstruct post arguments. > > while i suspect i'll have an os 9 machine kicking > around somewhere > for years to come, i really need to move this thing > into a real > relational database and set it up as a thin client, > because the > current architecture is one-person oriented and i > have a virtual > business. > > so, i come here today asking advice: should i do > this project in > runrev? all the cgi engines at > http://www.runrev.com/revolution/engines/ seem to be > two or three > years old; will these work? is the darwin version > the one i want for > os x? > > i know that sarah r released a stack for connecting > to mysql last > may, but is this a job more for valentina? > > i had to fly to the east coast yesterday and read > through mysql and > php for dummies and the o'reilly mysql book. i had > vowed never to use > a programing language that needed a dollar sign, but > if runrev ain't > quite ready to do this for me, then i guess i'm > going to have to. > > thanks. > > \dmc > Hi David, Welcome back to the list :-) Let's see if I can help you out with some of your questions : - Revolution stacks or SQL-databases ? Even though performance gets hit when stacks reach serious sizes, you don't have to start learning SQL just yet : have a look at Rob Cozens' SDB at - Valentina or another SQL-database ? Valentina is a good choice, but MySQL isn't that hard to use either, in my experience ; however, both of these have their limitations when it comes to support for JOIN and SELECT WITHIN statements. An excellent choice in this regard, is PostgreSQL -- if you need more info, I'm sure you can poke our good friend Pierre Sahores :-) Of course it depends a bit on your needs : if you need multi-user access to the database, Valentina Server is still in beta version atm ; that's why I use MySQL for most of my projects. - Revolution CGI-engines The ones at the old page, are for version 1.x of Revolution ; steer your browser or an ftp-client to : And yes, you'll want the Darwin one for MacOSX. What's especially interesting about the 2.x versions of the CGI-engines, is that they have built-in support for database access. So you can use the same commands to store and load data from within your own stacks and CGI-scripts. The only dollar signs you'll want to poke around, are the environment variables -- but you can look those up in the Transcript Dictionary. Hope this helped. If you have any more questions, don't hesitate to post more on this list. Jan Schenkel. ===== "As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time." (La Rochefoucauld) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From janschenkel at yahoo.com Mon Nov 10 12:26:19 2003 From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 09:26:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: Problem for building an app In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20031110172619.17642.qmail@web60507.mail.yahoo.com> --- Yves COPPE wrote: > Hello, > > > I've sent a message but without responses > > Consequently, I 'm afraid it must be a difficult > one... > > So I post my message again : > > I have a stack (main stack is a splashscreen) with > two little substacks > > when I build a distribution, it stops on "now > setting Profil options on > stack "xxx"" (stack "xxx" is a substack) > > it stops there and just do nothing...no build ???? > > I'm using Rev 2.1.1 on Mac OS X 2.8 > > Any help ? > > > thank you very much. > > > Greetings. > > Yves COPPE > Bonsoir Yves, A few questions to help us clear up the problem : - I see you're working on MacOSX. What platform are you building for ? ---> MacOSX, Classic, Windows ? - Does it happen with every stack you build ? - Was this a 'saved' distr. builder configuration ? - Have you tried replacing Revolution with a fresh copy ? Hope to get you close to a solution, Jan Schenkel. ===== "As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time." (La Rochefoucauld) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net Mon Nov 10 12:47:05 2003 From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas J McGrath III) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 12:47:05 -0500 Subject: Window Resizing Head-scratcher... In-Reply-To: <578527DD-139F-11D8-B159-000393CFB710@rippetoe.com> Message-ID: Jason, Although I 'was' trying to make room for the menus and dock I still had the same problem when resizing my own screen from the 1024x down to 800x. I tried hiding the menus etc. and still had the same problem you found. So the underlying issue was the same. I also noticed it only affected the main window (no. 2 below) and not substacks and that it was only a Mac OSX issue. I would consider that a 'bug' in my opinion. I will try your work around and see if that fixes it here. Did you play around with the "Try setting the windowBoundingRect to the screenRect" as was suggested? I did and did not see the expected results at all... I think that is for something different. Thanks again, Tom On Monday, November 10, 2003, at 12:00 PM, Jason Rippetoe wrote: > > Thanks for your comments, Tom. I had read your issue and had gotten > the impression that your situation was the extra space for dock and > menu, but in my case both are hidden. The extra space above where the > menu sits on Mac OS X is much wider than the space the menu takes up. > At the bottom, the window extends below the Dock, so the "making room > for the Dock" explanation doesn't make much sense. > Anyway, I did notice a few things about the project: > 1. It runs just fine under Windows XP. It seems to be a Mac OS X issue > only. > 2. It only effects the main stack. Substacks open at 800x600. > 3. I found a work-around. I added the following to the preOpenStack in > the Stack script: > set the height of me to 600 > set the width of me to 800 > Waddya know... it works! > So, I still can't answer "why," but this might help. Let me know if it > solves your issue as well. > > -Jason > > On Monday, November 10, 2003, at 09:57 PM, Tom McGrath wrote: > >> At first, I thought I was reading my own email. LOL >> Jason, this is the same problem I have. >> >> The solution is to make every thing smaller than 800x600 to begin with >> and allow for the menus and docks, etc. first..... >> BUT, that still does not explain why!!!!!! I even set the resize >> window >> to false and it still resized! I set the resize stack to false and it >> still resized. >> >> My problem/bug was that NO RESIZE should mean NO RESIZE !!!!!! Of >> course I can make my graphics smaller to fit an 800x600. Of course I >> can build on an 800x600 and make sure it is right. Of course I can >> allow for a menu, dock bar etc. >> >> But when I set the resize to false, I want no resize. I develop on a >> 1024x768 and set window to 800x600 and after changing screen >> resolution >> to 800x600 the WINDOW DOES RESIZE ITSELF AND THEN IT STAYS THAT SIZE. >> It of course should not and that is the real problem. >> >> TOM >> > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > Thomas J McGrath III Advanced Media Group 220 Drake Rd. Bethel Park, PA 15102 3mcgrath at adelphia.net From ambassador at fourthworld.com Mon Nov 10 12:54:57 2003 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 09:54:57 -0800 Subject: Window Resizing Head-scratcher... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thomas J McGrath III wrote: > Although I 'was' trying to make room for the menus and dock I still had > the same problem when resizing my own screen from the 1024x down to > 800x. I tried hiding the menus etc. and still had the same problem you > found. So the underlying issue was the same. > I also noticed it only affected the main window (no. 2 below) and not > substacks and that it was only a Mac OSX issue. I would consider that a > 'bug' in my opinion. > I will try your work around and see if that fixes it here. > > Did you play around with the "Try setting the windowBoundingRect to the > screenRect" as was suggested? I did and did not see the expected > results at all... I think that is for something different. I'm not sure what's causing your specific issue, but I know how to avoid it: If you design your app's windows to be no larger than the NET available size on the target monitor (minus menu bar, start bar/Dock, window trimmings, etc.) the stack will not resize. At least, not in my experience. This may be related to a memory efficiency which would be afforded if the engine allotted only the net size to a window's offscreen buffer; I'm just guessing here, but that might explain why explicitely resizing the stack beyond the visible bounds seems to force an adequate buffering. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation ___________________________________________________________ Ambassador at FourthWorld.com http://www.FourthWorld.com Tel: 323-225-3717 AIM: FourthWorldInc From yvescoppe at skynet.be Mon Nov 10 13:05:05 2003 From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (Yves COPPE) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 19:05:05 +0100 Subject: Problem for building an app In-Reply-To: <20031110172619.17642.qmail@web60507.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <699D6950-13A8-11D8-AD1D-003065E14B04@skynet.be> Le lundi, 10 nov 2003, ? 18:26 Europe/Brussels, Jan Schenkel a ?crit : > > Bonsoir Yves, > > A few questions to help us clear up the problem : > - I see you're working on MacOSX. What platform are > you building for ? for mac OS X > ---> MacOSX, Classic, Windows ? > - Does it happen with every stack you build ? No, only this one > - Was this a 'saved' distr. builder configuration ? No a new one > - Have you tried replacing Revolution with a fresh > copy ? > yes > Hope to get you close to a solution, > without effect... I wil try to construct my stacks again and see perhaps with 2.1.2 it will be better... Greetings. Yves COPPE yvescoppe at skynet.be From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net Mon Nov 10 13:05:40 2003 From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas J McGrath III) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 13:05:40 -0500 Subject: Close and Remove Message-ID: <7E9BC03D-13A8-11D8-AE46-000A95DA60FA@adelphia.net> Hello all, I have a small problem. The stack I am working on used to remove itself from REV memory when I first "Save" and then "Close and Remove from Memory" but now when I "Save" and then "Close and Remove from Memory" and then "Open recent" - myStack - which was just saved I get a dialog that says it is still in memory and asks me if I want to purge it. I don't know why this is happening. It should have been removed from memory. Any ideas??? Thanks Tom Thomas J McGrath III Advanced Media Group 220 Drake Rd. Bethel Park, PA 15102 3mcgrath at adelphia.net From yvescoppe at skynet.be Mon Nov 10 13:08:24 2003 From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (Yves COPPE) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 19:08:24 +0100 Subject: Printing question Message-ID: Hello, I have such a script : open printing with dialog print card "xxx" close printing So when the user has done, I add a little line after an historic BUT if the user has Canceled the print in the dialog, I don't have to add the line in the historic So how can I know if the print has happened or has been canceled ????? Or how can I know if the user has clicked "Print "in the dialogBox of his printer or has canceled the Dialog Greetings. Yves COPPE yvescoppe at skynet.be From janschenkel at yahoo.com Mon Nov 10 13:13:43 2003 From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 10:13:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: Printing question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20031110181343.91280.qmail@web60503.mail.yahoo.com> --- Yves COPPE wrote: > Hello, > > > I have such a script : > > open printing with dialog > print card "xxx" > close printing > > > So when the user has done, I add a little line after > an historic > BUT > if the user has Canceled the print in the dialog, I > don't have to add > the line in the historic > > So how can I know if the print has happened or has > been canceled ????? > Or how can I know if the user has clicked "Print "in > the dialogBox of > his printer or has canceled the Dialog > > Greetings. > > Yves COPPE > Bonsoir Yves, Maybe I can actually help you this time ; a copy from the Transcript Dictionary entry for 'open printing' : "If the open printing with dialog form is used, and the user cancels the print dialog box, the result is set to 'Cancel'." Best regards, Jan Schenkel. ===== "As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time." (La Rochefoucauld) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net Mon Nov 10 13:14:10 2003 From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas J McGrath III) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 13:14:10 -0500 Subject: Window Resizing Head-scratcher... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, I tried Jason's work around and sure enough when switching resolutions it did not resize this time. That is weird. > 3. I found a work-around. I added the following to the preOpenStack in > the Stack script: > set the height of me to 600 > set the width of me to 800 > Waddya know... it works! This did the trick for me. But why would doing this stop it from resizing when it should not have in the first place???? It seems a resize command is being sent to the development environment when the resolution/screen size is changed and that REV is ignoring my don't resize setting. It should not ignore it. I wanted to keep the decorations but still not allow a resize but if a resolution/screen size was changed it still did a resize. I am going to have to hide the menu bar and hide the task bar and set the decorations to empty in order to make it work. But what I wanted was no OS menu bar but still keep a title bar at the top of my window and have it 800x600 static and no resize by the user. But the resolution/screen resize still made the stack resize. Tom On Monday, November 10, 2003, at 12:54 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > Thomas J McGrath III wrote: > >> Although I 'was' trying to make room for the menus and dock I still >> had >> the same problem when resizing my own screen from the 1024x down to >> 800x. I tried hiding the menus etc. and still had the same problem you >> found. So the underlying issue was the same. >> I also noticed it only affected the main window (no. 2 below) and not >> substacks and that it was only a Mac OSX issue. I would consider that >> a >> 'bug' in my opinion. >> I will try your work around and see if that fixes it here. >> >> Did you play around with the "Try setting the windowBoundingRect to >> the >> screenRect" as was suggested? I did and did not see the expected >> results at all... I think that is for something different. > > I'm not sure what's causing your specific issue, but I know how to > avoid it: > If you design your app's windows to be no larger than the NET > available size > on the target monitor (minus menu bar, start bar/Dock, window > trimmings, > etc.) the stack will not resize. At least, not in my experience. > > This may be related to a memory efficiency which would be afforded if > the > engine allotted only the net size to a window's offscreen buffer; I'm > just > guessing here, but that might explain why explicitely resizing the > stack > beyond the visible bounds seems to force an adequate buffering. > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World Media Corporation > ___________________________________________________________ > Ambassador at FourthWorld.com http://www.FourthWorld.com > Tel: 323-225-3717 AIM: FourthWorldInc > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > Thomas J McGrath III Advanced Media Group 220 Drake Rd. Bethel Park, PA 15102 3mcgrath at adelphia.net From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net Mon Nov 10 13:19:05 2003 From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas J McGrath III) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 13:19:05 -0500 Subject: Printing question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5E49C496-13AA-11D8-AE46-000A95DA60FA@adelphia.net> on XXX global gHistory open printing with dialog if it is cancel then else print card "XXX" put "XXX" into gHistory end if close printing end XXX Or something close to this should do it. Tom On Monday, November 10, 2003, at 01:08 PM, Yves COPPE wrote: > Hello, > > > I have such a script : > > open printing with dialog > print card "xxx" > close printing > > > So when the user has done, I add a little line after an historic > BUT > if the user has Canceled the print in the dialog, I don't have to add > the line in the historic > > So how can I know if the print has happened or has been canceled ????? > Or how can I know if the user has clicked "Print "in the dialogBox of > his printer or has canceled the Dialog > > Greetings. > > Yves COPPE > yvescoppe at skynet.be > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > Thomas J McGrath III Advanced Media Group 220 Drake Rd. Bethel Park, PA 15102 3mcgrath at adelphia.net From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net Mon Nov 10 13:43:58 2003 From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas J McGrath III) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 13:43:58 -0500 Subject: Two questions Message-ID: Hello all revies, I have two questions concerning screen size. 1. How do I know what the screen size of all users will be? 2. How do I know when the screen size is changed during operation of my project? While it is running Thanks Tom Thomas J McGrath III Advanced Media Group 220 Drake Rd. Bethel Park, PA 15102 3mcgrath at adelphia.net From gbojsza at mac.com Mon Nov 10 14:08:32 2003 From: gbojsza at mac.com (Bojsza) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 13:08:32 -0600 Subject: Limit number of chars in a field Message-ID: <46F819F8-13B1-11D8-A970-003065F00EF2@mac.com> I can't the field property that I can select for limiting the number of characters a user may enter into a field. I have fields that I want to allow up to but not exceeding 11 characters. I have opened other example scripts but they all allow more characters than what the field can show? Any suggestions? Thanks for all the support... regards, Glen From scott at tactilemedia.com Mon Nov 10 14:09:05 2003 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 11:09:05 -0800 Subject: Two questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Recently, "Thomas J McGrath III" wrote: > 1. How do I know what the screen size of all users will be? If you're asking how to check the screen size, you can get the screenRect. If you're asking what resolution people run, nobody knows for sure. The best you can do is collect statistics from your users/audience, or look online for more generalized usage statistics. > 2. How do I know when the screen size is changed during operation of my > project? While it is running I don't believe there is any message that Rev receives when this happens (although it seems on Windows stacks can be automatically resized, and thus get a resizeStack message, if the resolution is reduced to dimensions smaller than the stack's current rect). If you expect users to be constantly changing resolution while running your app, you could run your own resolution monitor, something like: on preOpenStack # other scripts here set the uStoredRect of me to the screenRect checkMonitor end preOpenStack on checkMonitor # GRAB CURRENT SCREENRECT AND COMPARE TO STORED RECT if the screenRect <> the uStoredRect of me then # run resize script here set the uStoredRect of me to the screenRect end if send "checkMonitor" to me in 1 second end checkMonitor Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design ----- E: scott at tactilemedia.com W: http://www.tactilemedia.com From bvlahos at mac.com Mon Nov 10 14:18:04 2003 From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 11:18:04 -0800 Subject: Limit number of chars in a field In-Reply-To: <46F819F8-13B1-11D8-A970-003065F00EF2@mac.com> References: <46F819F8-13B1-11D8-A970-003065F00EF2@mac.com> Message-ID: <9BB5E04C-13B2-11D8-9288-000393C44AE0@mac.com> I don't think there is a feature for this. However, you can easily create one with a keyDown handler. Use it to build up the information in the field and don't let it get larger than your limit. Bill On Nov 10, 2003, at 11:08 AM, Bojsza wrote: > I can't the field property that I can select for limiting the number > of characters a user may enter into a field. I have fields that I want > to allow up to but not exceeding 11 characters. > > I have opened other example scripts but they all allow more characters > than what the field can show? > > Any suggestions? > > Thanks for all the support... > > regards, > > Glen > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From rgmiller at pacbell.net Mon Nov 10 14:17:33 2003 From: rgmiller at pacbell.net (Ray G. Miller) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 11:17:33 -0800 Subject: Mac OS X default button = 100% CPU usage References: <20031109000530.0934193009C@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <3FAFE44D.9000902@pacbell.net> Richard opined: "A logical progression of this design philosophy would be: OS X 10.4: the default button becomes an animated loop of a dancing chicken. "OS X 10.5: The animation is expanded to become a really nifty five-minute gorgeously produced movie of a large predatory cat hunting and feeding its young, with voiceover by Steve Jobs. In order to make room for this expanded animation the dialog's content will be removed altogether." It'd be really funny if it weren't so close to the truth... It's probably true that Jobs never uses a computer, only looks at "neato demos." "maybe we could just hook him up with Carson Kressley to get him out of that frumpy jeans-and-sweatshirt look. :)" But wouldn't hurt his inner icon? Our battlecry should be: "Death to eye candy!" Ray G. Miller __________________ Turtlelips Productions 4009 Everett Ave. Oakland, CA 94602 MailTo:rgmiller at pacbell.net (V) 510.530.1971 (F) 510.482.3491 From alex at mindlube.com Mon Nov 10 14:24:00 2003 From: alex at mindlube.com (Alex Rice) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 12:24:00 -0700 Subject: Limit number of chars in a field In-Reply-To: <46F819F8-13B1-11D8-A970-003065F00EF2@mac.com> References: <46F819F8-13B1-11D8-A970-003065F00EF2@mac.com> Message-ID: <6FD156BD-13B3-11D8-8FA8-000393C4760A@mindlube.com> On Nov 10, 2003, at 12:08 PM, Bojsza wrote: > I can't the field property that I can select for limiting the number > of characters a user may enter into a field. I have fields that I want > to allow up to but not exceeding 11 characters. > > I have opened other example scripts but they all allow more characters > than what the field can show? > > Any suggestions? There is no property like that. Add something like this to the field's script: on rawKeyDown if (the length of me) > 11 then exit rawKeyDown pass rawKeyDown end rawKeydown (untested script) Alex Rice | Mindlube Software | what a waste of thumbs that are opposable to make machines that are disposable -Ani DiFranco From ambassador at fourthworld.com Mon Nov 10 15:14:30 2003 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 12:14:30 -0800 Subject: Mac OS X default button = 100% CPU usage In-Reply-To: <3FAFE44D.9000902@pacbell.net> Message-ID: Ray G. Miller wrote: > Our battlecry should be: "Death to eye candy!" Or maybe more appropriately: "Celebrate the user's eye candy!" It's all about what the end-user is doing, with the computer, the OS, all applications. The user's work should dominate everything, visually and conceptually. (stepping down from the soapbox now for a second cup o' joe) -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation ___________________________________________________________ Ambassador at FourthWorld.com http://www.FourthWorld.com Tel: 323-225-3717 AIM: FourthWorldInc From yvescoppe at skynet.be Mon Nov 10 15:28:20 2003 From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (Yves COPPE) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 21:28:20 +0100 Subject: Build an app Message-ID: <6CE64EC4-13BC-11D8-9782-000393533246@skynet.be> Hello Jan, (and the others) I've dowloaded Re 2.1.2 I've build my app with the same settings in the build distribution with Rev 211 and Rev 212 I couldn't build with Rev 211 I runs perfect with Rev 212...????? I am meanwhile very happy !!!!!!!!!!! Greetings. Yves COPPE yvescoppe at skynet.be From alex at mindlube.com Mon Nov 10 15:34:05 2003 From: alex at mindlube.com (Alex Rice) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 13:34:05 -0700 Subject: Limit number of chars in a field In-Reply-To: <6FD156BD-13B3-11D8-8FA8-000393C4760A@mindlube.com> References: <46F819F8-13B1-11D8-A970-003065F00EF2@mac.com> <6FD156BD-13B3-11D8-8FA8-000393C4760A@mindlube.com> Message-ID: <3A655811-13BD-11D8-8FA8-000393C4760A@mindlube.com> On Nov 10, 2003, at 12:24 PM, Alex Rice wrote: > on rawKeyDown > if (the length of me) > 11 then exit rawKeyDown > pass rawKeyDown > end rawKeydown on keyDown if (the length of me) > 11 then exit keyDown pass keyDown end keyDown that works better :-) The rawKeyDown if not passed, would not allow delete or other ways to continue editing. Alex Rice | Mindlube Software | what a waste of thumbs that are opposable to make machines that are disposable -Ani DiFranco From thierry.arbellot at wanadoo.fr Mon Nov 10 15:36:02 2003 From: thierry.arbellot at wanadoo.fr (Thierry Arbellot) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 21:36:02 +0100 Subject: Two questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <8004CC3A-13BD-11D8-98C9-000A27E40768@wanadoo.fr> According to RR documentation, the screenRect is not updated when the user changes the resolution. Thierry Arbellot. On Monday, November 10, 2003, at 08:09 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: > Recently, "Thomas J McGrath III" wrote: > >> 1. How do I know what the screen size of all users will be? > > If you're asking how to check the screen size, you can get the > screenRect. > If you're asking what resolution people run, nobody knows for sure. > The > best you can do is collect statistics from your users/audience, or look > online for more generalized usage statistics. > > >> 2. How do I know when the screen size is changed during operation of >> my >> project? While it is running > > I don't believe there is any message that Rev receives when this > happens > (although it seems on Windows stacks can be automatically resized, and > thus > get a resizeStack message, if the resolution is reduced to dimensions > smaller than the stack's current rect). If you expect users to be > constantly changing resolution while running your app, you could run > your > own resolution monitor, something like: > > on preOpenStack > # other scripts here > set the uStoredRect of me to the screenRect > checkMonitor > end preOpenStack > > on checkMonitor > # GRAB CURRENT SCREENRECT AND COMPARE TO STORED RECT > if the screenRect <> the uStoredRect of me then > # run resize script here > set the uStoredRect of me to the screenRect > end if > send "checkMonitor" to me in 1 second > end checkMonitor > > Regards, > > Scott Rossi > Creative Director > Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design > ----- > E: scott at tactilemedia.com > W: http://www.tactilemedia.com > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From scott at tactilemedia.com Mon Nov 10 15:44:28 2003 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 12:44:28 -0800 Subject: Two questions In-Reply-To: <8004CC3A-13BD-11D8-98C9-000A27E40768@wanadoo.fr> Message-ID: Recently, "Thierry Arbellot" wrote: > According to RR documentation, the screenRect is not updated when the > user changes the resolution. Seems to work here on Windows. Using "put the screenRect" in the message box returns the correct values after the resolution is changed. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design ----- E: scott at tactilemedia.com W: http://www.tactilemedia.com From pixelbird at interisland.net Mon Nov 10 15:50:11 2003 From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 12:50:11 -0800 Subject: Window Resizing Head-scratcher... In-Reply-To: <20031110181315.86F369300DE@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: Hi jason, > Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 00:00:09 +0700 > From: Jason Rippetoe > Subject: Re: RE: Window Resizing Head-scratcher... > > 3. I found a work-around. I added the following to the preOpenStack in > the Stack script: > > set the height of me to 600 > set the width of me to 800 > > Waddya know... it works! > > So, I still can't answer "why," but this might help. Let me know if it > solves your issue as well. ---------- It's really not a workaround, but rather how it's done with Macs in Rev, because of the platform differences. Mac menus are really button emulations, not the real thing. Check the windowbBoundingRect solution, too. Either technique needs to be done in a preOpenStack handler. That's normal, AFAIK. Note: My first stack had a fullscreen graphic set used for an onscreen keyboard, so the very problems you are facing were the _very first_ I had to deal with in Rev 1.1. Please pay close attention to the experts, like Richard Gaskin. They know what's going on. Also, take a look at Jacque's Rev tutorials: Best regards, Ken N. From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net Mon Nov 10 15:52:38 2003 From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas J McGrath III) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 15:52:38 -0500 Subject: Two questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: You see getting the screenRect is one thing but knowing when the screenRect is changed is what I want. I would prefer not to run a loop all of the time checking and waiting for the user to change it. That's all, Thanks Tom On Monday, November 10, 2003, at 03:44 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: > Recently, "Thierry Arbellot" wrote: > >> According to RR documentation, the screenRect is not updated when the >> user changes the resolution. > > Seems to work here on Windows. Using "put the screenRect" in the > message > box returns the correct values after the resolution is changed. > > Regards, > > Scott Rossi > Creative Director > Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design > ----- > E: scott at tactilemedia.com > W: http://www.tactilemedia.com > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > Thomas J McGrath III Advanced Media Group 220 Drake Rd. Bethel Park, PA 15102 3mcgrath at adelphia.net From jbv.silences at Club-Internet.fr Mon Nov 10 16:12:04 2003 From: jbv.silences at Club-Internet.fr (jbv) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 22:12:04 +0100 Subject: Two questions References: Message-ID: <3FAFFF22.FB85F716@Club-Internet.fr> > You see getting the screenRect is one thing but knowing when the > screenRect is changed is what I want. I would prefer not to run a loop > all of the time checking and waiting for the user to change it. you don't need to run a loop. Just use something like : send "checkScreen" to me in 1 seconds for instance, put the following in your stack script : on checkScreen Global oldRect if the screenrect is not oldRect then put the screenRect into oldRect --do something end if send "checkScreen" to me in 1 seconds end checkScreen It might need some tweaking, but you get the idea. Besides, it shouldn't use too much CPU time... JB From pixelbird at interisland.net Mon Nov 10 15:59:08 2003 From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 12:59:08 -0800 Subject: Image advice please In-Reply-To: <20031110181315.86F369300DE@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: Howdy, I didn't get any response so I'll try another shot. Maybe someone could take a look at the stack and see what I'm trying to make happen. ================ (original post) ================ Oh dear, here I go again... OK, here's the setup: I have a graphic image, a simulated plastic color bar with the color gradient I want, which I can see right through to the text under it (srcOr). Now, the metaphor needs a graphically depicted "mounting device", in this case it simulates a metal mounting bracket to which the plastic bar above is attached, and slides up and down on a brass rod. It must, of course, be opaque. The problem comes when the opaque "bracket" seems to include an opaque white space as part of its rectangle between it's top and bottom arms, right where the "plastic bar" is supposed to go. That is, that part of the plastic bar can no longer see through. In SuperCard, I was able to group the two graphics together, and the metal part opened itself to the see-through part perfectly when mated into a group. However, SC graphic images are held a lot different than Rev, so I can't bring it into Rev as is. So, now that all that is perfectly clear %) here is the question: How do I marry the opaque bracket to the see-through bar in such a way that the metal part of the bracket image is opaque, but 'nothing', i.e., no opaque white section, is in the part where the see-through bar fits (I tried all the inks, but nothing works properly)? Maybe I'm not using the right type of image. I dunno. TIA, Ken N. From ambassador at fourthworld.com Mon Nov 10 16:17:33 2003 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 13:17:33 -0800 Subject: Two questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thomas J McGrath III wrote: > You see getting the screenRect is one thing but knowing when the > screenRect is changed is what I want. I would prefer not to run a loop > all of the time checking and waiting for the user to change it. How often will your users change their resolution? FWIW, spot-checking the behavior elsewhere I find that Outlook Express, Mozilla, and even the 10.2.8 Finder do not account for resolution reduction dynamically, and I suspect many other apps don't either. At least you're in good company. ;) If there's a reason to believe customers of your app will be unusually prone to adjusting their resolution during their session with your app (that rules out most Win users since most of the ones I've supported have never seen their Display control panel ), polling on one-second intervals should cover what you need without a noticeable decrease in performance. In fact, it turns out to be barely measureable: to respond to a message and check the screenRect takes about 0.037ms on my old 500MHz G4 (testing script copied below). While you're at it, it might be useful to Bugzilla an enhancement request for a new resolutionChanged message. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation ___________________________________________________________ Ambassador at FourthWorld.com http://www.FourthWorld.com Tel: 323-225-3717 AIM: FourthWorldInc on mouseUp global gSaveScreenRect put the screenRect into gSaveScreenRect put 1000 into n put the millisecs into t -- repeat n send "checkResolution" to me end repeat -- put (the millisecs - t ) / n end mouseUp on checkResolution global gSaveScreenRect if the screenrect<> gSaveScreenRect then answer "it changed" end if end checkResolution From heather at runrev.com Mon Nov 10 16:17:40 2003 From: heather at runrev.com (Heather Williams) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 21:17:40 +0000 Subject: 2.1.2 announced Message-ID: Dear listees, As some of you have so observantly already noticed, we are now shipping 2.1.2, final. We've addressed many minor and not so minor issues with this version, and hope you find it an improvement on 2.1. This is a maintenance release, free to all valid 2.1 license holders. You can download from the usual url: http://www.runrev.com/Revolution1/downloads.html Some of the areas addressed include: *Support for Polish language in Unicode functions * Improved OS X compatibility * Better support for older versions of Mac OS (pre-8.5) and OS X (pre-Jaguar 10.2) * Improvements in the script editor and debugger Download and enjoy! Regards, Heather -- Heather Williams ~ heather at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution - User-Centric Development Tools Tel +44 (0) 131 7184333 Fax +44 (0) 845 4588487 ~~~ Check our web site for new Revolution editions & special offers ~~~ From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net Mon Nov 10 16:32:40 2003 From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas J McGrath III) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 16:32:40 -0500 Subject: Two questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <69677F9B-13C5-11D8-AE46-000A95DA60FA@adelphia.net> Richard, You hit the nail on the head. I didn't think they would change often but "If they changed" I would like to know about it, especially if my window would resize in a way I didn't want it to. And then all that after I put in every DON'T RESIZE I could think of. So if they did it just once it would screw up my window. Jason's answer would work to reset it during start up but what about during usage "if it ever happened". I don't like the idea of a script running every millisecond or every second just to prevent a visual disaster if the user changes the screen res or size. You hit it when you say it could be a feature request. But, I still think it is a BUG because if I say no resize and REV is supposed to ignore it when the user resizes then WHY is it resizing when I change the res/size of the screen????? SO my answer is that a resolutionChanged is what is needed and I can think of many games and software that offer resolution changing as an option and things get changed once the res is changed. Thank you so very much for your input. TOm On Monday, November 10, 2003, at 04:17 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > Thomas J McGrath III wrote: > >> You see getting the screenRect is one thing but knowing when the >> screenRect is changed is what I want. I would prefer not to run a loop >> all of the time checking and waiting for the user to change it. > > How often will your users change their resolution? > > FWIW, spot-checking the behavior elsewhere I find that Outlook Express, > Mozilla, and even the 10.2.8 Finder do not account for resolution > reduction > dynamically, and I suspect many other apps don't either. At least > you're in > good company. ;) > > If there's a reason to believe customers of your app will be unusually > prone > to adjusting their resolution during their session with your app (that > rules > out most Win users since most of the ones I've supported have never > seen > their Display control panel ), polling on one-second intervals > should > cover what you need without a noticeable decrease in performance. > > In fact, it turns out to be barely measureable: to respond to a > message and > check the screenRect takes about 0.037ms on my old 500MHz G4 (testing > script > copied below). > > While you're at it, it might be useful to Bugzilla an enhancement > request > for a new resolutionChanged message. > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World Media Corporation > ___________________________________________________________ > Ambassador at FourthWorld.com http://www.FourthWorld.com > Tel: 323-225-3717 AIM: FourthWorldInc > > > on mouseUp > global gSaveScreenRect > put the screenRect into gSaveScreenRect > put 1000 into n > put the millisecs into t > -- > repeat n > send "checkResolution" to me > end repeat > -- > put (the millisecs - t ) / n > end mouseUp > > on checkResolution > global gSaveScreenRect > if the screenrect<> gSaveScreenRect then > answer "it changed" > end if > end checkResolution > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > Thomas J McGrath III Advanced Media Group 220 Drake Rd. Bethel Park, PA 15102 3mcgrath at adelphia.net From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net Mon Nov 10 16:34:42 2003 From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas J McGrath III) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 16:34:42 -0500 Subject: Two questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Richard, I haven't used Bugzilla before. Could you point me in the right direction. Thanks Tom On Monday, November 10, 2003, at 04:17 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > Thomas J McGrath III wrote: > >> You see getting the screenRect is one thing but knowing when the >> screenRect is changed is what I want. I would prefer not to run a loop >> all of the time checking and waiting for the user to change it. > > How often will your users change their resolution? > > FWIW, spot-checking the behavior elsewhere I find that Outlook Express, > Mozilla, and even the 10.2.8 Finder do not account for resolution > reduction > dynamically, and I suspect many other apps don't either. At least > you're in > good company. ;) > > If there's a reason to believe customers of your app will be unusually > prone > to adjusting their resolution during their session with your app (that > rules > out most Win users since most of the ones I've supported have never > seen > their Display control panel ), polling on one-second intervals > should > cover what you need without a noticeable decrease in performance. > > In fact, it turns out to be barely measureable: to respond to a > message and > check the screenRect takes about 0.037ms on my old 500MHz G4 (testing > script > copied below). > > While you're at it, it might be useful to Bugzilla an enhancement > request > for a new resolutionChanged message. > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World Media Corporation > ___________________________________________________________ > Ambassador at FourthWorld.com http://www.FourthWorld.com > Tel: 323-225-3717 AIM: FourthWorldInc > > > on mouseUp > global gSaveScreenRect > put the screenRect into gSaveScreenRect > put 1000 into n > put the millisecs into t > -- > repeat n > send "checkResolution" to me > end repeat > -- > put (the millisecs - t ) / n > end mouseUp > > on checkResolution > global gSaveScreenRect > if the screenrect<> gSaveScreenRect then > answer "it changed" > end if > end checkResolution > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > Thomas J McGrath III Advanced Media Group 220 Drake Rd. Bethel Park, PA 15102 3mcgrath at adelphia.net From jhurley at infostations.com Mon Nov 10 16:48:01 2003 From: jhurley at infostations.com (Jim Hurley) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 13:48:01 -0800 Subject: Two questions, auto-scaling In-Reply-To: <20031110204331.167B19300CC@mail.runrev.com> References: <20031110204331.167B19300CC@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: What follows is a solution of desperation. I found that the best solution for me on the stack I am currently working on was to just let the user resize the window to fit his or her needs. It was easier than using RR built-in geometry utilities. This requires scaling everything (all controls) when the stack is resized. Fields are treated differently. When the fields are scaled, the text may not fit, so for these I scale the font size as well (unless there is a vertical scrollbar in which case I only scale the rect). Caution: I hesitate to offer this. Use with care. It works for me but I have not tested it widely. Jim Place in the stack script: local scaleX,scaleY on resizeStack x,y, xold,yold lock screen repeat with i = 1 to the number of cards go to card i doResize x,y,xold,yold end repeat go to recent card unlock screen end resizeStack on doResize x,y,xold,yold put x/xold into scaleX put y/yold into scaleY doScaling sizeFontToFit end doResize on doScaling repeat with i = 1 to the number of controls put the name of control i into tControl put the rect of tControl into tRect repeat with j =1 to 4 multiply item j of tRect by item oneOrTwo(j) of (scaleX,scaleY) end repeat set the rect of tControl to tRect end repeat end doScaling function oneOrTwo k return 2 - (k mod 2) end oneOrTwo on sizeFontToFit repeat with n = 1 to the number of fields if the vScrollbar of field n is true then next repeat put the width of field n into tWidth put the textFont of field n into tFont put the fontsizes of tFont into tSizeList repeat with i = 1 to the number of lines in tSizeList set the textsize of field n to line i of tSizeList if the formattedwidth of field n > tWidth then exit repeat end repeat set the height of field n to the formattedheight of field n end repeat end sizeFontToFit From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net Mon Nov 10 16:58:33 2003 From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas J McGrath III) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 16:58:33 -0500 Subject: Two questions, auto-scaling In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <06FA3776-13C9-11D8-AE46-000A95DA60FA@adelphia.net> WHOAA, Now this is a real reason to revamp the Geometry issue in REV for sure. Thanks, I will look into this solution and apply it in a not so important stack. Tom On Monday, November 10, 2003, at 04:48 PM, Jim Hurley wrote: > What follows is a solution of desperation. I found that the best > solution for me on the stack I am currently working on was to just let > the user resize the window to fit his or her needs. It was easier than > using RR built-in geometry utilities. > > This requires scaling everything (all controls) when the stack is > resized. > > Fields are treated differently. When the fields are scaled, the text > may not fit, so for these I scale the font size as well (unless there > is a vertical scrollbar in which case I only scale the rect). > > Caution: I hesitate to offer this. Use with care. It works for me but > I have not tested it widely. > > Jim > > Place in the stack script: > > local scaleX,scaleY > > on resizeStack x,y, xold,yold > lock screen > repeat with i = 1 to the number of cards > go to card i > doResize x,y,xold,yold > end repeat > go to recent card > unlock screen > end resizeStack > > on doResize x,y,xold,yold > put x/xold into scaleX > put y/yold into scaleY > doScaling > sizeFontToFit > end doResize > > on doScaling > repeat with i = 1 to the number of controls > put the name of control i into tControl > put the rect of tControl into tRect > repeat with j =1 to 4 > multiply item j of tRect by item oneOrTwo(j) of (scaleX,scaleY) > end repeat > set the rect of tControl to tRect > end repeat > end doScaling > > function oneOrTwo k > return 2 - (k mod 2) > end oneOrTwo > > on sizeFontToFit > repeat with n = 1 to the number of fields > if the vScrollbar of field n is true then next repeat > put the width of field n into tWidth > put the textFont of field n into tFont > put the fontsizes of tFont into tSizeList > > repeat with i = 1 to the number of lines in tSizeList > set the textsize of field n to line i of tSizeList > if the formattedwidth of field n > tWidth then exit repeat > end repeat > set the height of field n to the formattedheight of field n > end repeat > end sizeFontToFit > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > Thomas J McGrath III Advanced Media Group 220 Drake Rd. Bethel Park, PA 15102 3mcgrath at adelphia.net From pixelbird at interisland.net Mon Nov 10 17:08:27 2003 From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 14:08:27 -0800 Subject: Two questions In-Reply-To: <20031110214712.10B71930097@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: Hi Tom, > Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 16:32:40 -0500 > From: Thomas J McGrath III <3mcgrath at adelphia.net> > Subject: Re: Two questions > SO my answer is that a resolutionChanged is what is needed and I can > think of many games and software that offer resolution changing as an > option and things get changed once the res is changed ---------- I'll check some more, but it doesn't look like hardly any of my Mac apps have the ability to account for screen res changes on the fly, i.e., during runtime. Just FYI... Ken N. From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Mon Nov 10 17:11:40 2003 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 16:11:40 -0600 Subject: Two questions In-Reply-To: <69677F9B-13C5-11D8-AE46-000A95DA60FA@adelphia.net> References: <69677F9B-13C5-11D8-AE46-000A95DA60FA@adelphia.net> Message-ID: <3FB00D1C.9080108@hyperactivesw.com> On 11/10/03 3:32 PM, Thomas J McGrath III wrote: > But, I still think it is a BUG because if I say no resize and REV is > supposed to ignore it when the user resizes then WHY is it resizing when > I change the res/size of the screen????? It isn't a bug, just a misunderstanding of the meaning of "resize". There is a "resizable" property which, when set to false, removes the size box from the lower left corner of the window and disables the user's ability to drag the window out to a different size. It does not prevent a script from resizing the window, nor does it prevent the automatic engine behavior that changes the window to account for other screen elements such as the dock or the menu bar. "Resize" simply refers to whether or not the end user can adjust the window. A while back, MetaCard users were happy to see the engine automatically account for screen elements. Before that was implemented, there was loud wailing and gnashing of teeth because a window could overlap the dock, and if the stack happened to position itself under the Macintosh menu bar, the user could not even drag the window out of the way at all. So developers requested automatic stack positioning so that we wouldn't have to worry that large stacks would suddenly become unreachable. To overcome the automatic behavior, you'll need to calculate the correct stack size yourself and set it on preOpenStack. For most other stacks, not allowing the window to tuck itself under the Macintosh menu bar is the desired behavior. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From ambassador at fourthworld.com Mon Nov 10 17:20:18 2003 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 14:20:18 -0800 Subject: 2.1.2 announced In-Reply-To: Message-ID: And the site is now available in French as well -- good move! Will there be a version localized for Californians?: "Dude, these warez are way cool. Full-on rockin' power like a south swell under your board. Check it -- you'll be so stoked." -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation Developer of WebMerge: Publish any database on any Web site ___________________________________________________________ Ambassador at FourthWorld.com http://www.FourthWorld.com Tel: 323-225-3717 AIM: FourthWorldInc From ambassador at fourthworld.com Mon Nov 10 17:23:20 2003 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 14:23:20 -0800 Subject: Two questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thomas J McGrath III wrote: > I haven't used Bugzilla before. Could you point me in the right > direction. Clicking, the path is: Front page->Developer Central->File a Bug Report The URL is: It only takes a moment to set up a password, and while the UI is daunting at first just read it carefully and next time you post there it'll be second nature. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation Developer of WebMerge: Publish any database on any Web site ___________________________________________________________ Ambassador at FourthWorld.com http://www.FourthWorld.com Tel: 323-225-3717 AIM: FourthWorldInc From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net Mon Nov 10 17:25:36 2003 From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas J McGrath III) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 17:25:36 -0500 Subject: Screen Resize and REV Message-ID: I just noticed what happens to the application browser if a screen resolution is changed during development. Interested, I have a screen shot? Try it yourself. first open application browser to width of large screen say 1280x what ever. then set backdrop to black then change screen to 800x600 then change screen back to 1280x whatever I am missing a chunk of my application browser where screen overlapped. This is in REV 2.1.2 just downloaded as well. I would say that REV has problems with screen resizing. FWIW TOM Thomas J McGrath III Advanced Media Group 220 Drake Rd. Bethel Park, PA 15102 3mcgrath at adelphia.net From ambassador at fourthworld.com Mon Nov 10 17:26:45 2003 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 14:26:45 -0800 Subject: Two questions In-Reply-To: <69677F9B-13C5-11D8-AE46-000A95DA60FA@adelphia.net> Message-ID: Thomas J McGrath III wrote: > But, I still think it is a BUG because if I say no resize and REV is > supposed to ignore it when the user resizes then WHY is it resizing > when I change the res/size of the screen????? > > SO my answer is that a resolutionChanged is what is needed and I can > think of many games and software that offer resolution changing as an > option and things get changed once the res is changed. I agree it's useful. It gets classified asan enhancement requst only because it's new. It would be a bug if it were an existing behavior that didn't work as described. Hmmmm.... maybe that it resizes should be a bug. What do the rest of you think about that? Should fixed-size windows neveresize regardless if they're larger than the resolution allows? -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation Developer of WebMerge: Publish any database on any Web site ___________________________________________________________ Ambassador at FourthWorld.com http://www.FourthWorld.com Tel: 323-225-3717 AIM: FourthWorldInc From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net Mon Nov 10 17:29:35 2003 From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas J McGrath III) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 17:29:35 -0500 Subject: Two questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5CB4F722-13CD-11D8-AE46-000A95DA60FA@adelphia.net> OK, KEN, but isn't that at least a part of the reason for geometry etc. (to change things on screen when things have been changed - i.e. one way of things changing is by changing the screen size , right?) But I regress, Let me know what you find Ken and what you think. Thanks Tom PS I have a possible project that you might be interested in. Offlist of course. t On Monday, November 10, 2003, at 05:08 PM, Ken Norris wrote: > Hi Tom, > >> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 16:32:40 -0500 >> From: Thomas J McGrath III <3mcgrath at adelphia.net> >> Subject: Re: Two questions > >> SO my answer is that a resolutionChanged is what is needed and I can >> think of many games and software that offer resolution changing as an >> option and things get changed once the res is changed > ---------- > I'll check some more, but it doesn't look like hardly any of my Mac > apps > have the ability to account for screen res changes on the fly, i.e., > during > runtime. > > Just FYI... > > Ken N. > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > Thomas J McGrath III Advanced Media Group 220 Drake Rd. Bethel Park, PA 15102 3mcgrath at adelphia.net From scott at tactilemedia.com Mon Nov 10 17:31:55 2003 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 14:31:55 -0800 Subject: 2.1.2 announced In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Recently, "Richard Gaskin" wrote: > Will there be a version localized for Californians?: > > "Dude, these warez are way cool. > Full-on rockin' power like a south swell under your board. > Check it -- you'll be so stoked." Dude. (translation: "Mr. Gaskin, I wholeheartedly agree with your amusing and yet most eloquent post to the list.") Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design ----- E: scott at tactilemedia.com W: http://www.tactilemedia.com From ambassador at fourthworld.com Mon Nov 10 17:33:28 2003 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 14:33:28 -0800 Subject: Screen Resize and REV In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thomas J McGrath III wrote: > I just noticed what happens to the application browser if a screen > resolution is changed during development. > Interested, I have a screen shot? > > Try it yourself. > first open application browser to width of large screen say 1280x what > ever. > then set backdrop to black > then change screen to 800x600 > then change screen back to 1280x whatever > > I am missing a chunk of my application browser where screen overlapped. > This is in REV 2.1.2 just downloaded as well. > > I would say that REV has problems with screen resizing. All I see is that the window doesn't resize itself dynamically, same as the OS X Finder. The behavior seems consistent with or without the backdrop. Is something else happening there? -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation ___________________________________________________________ Ambassador at FourthWorld.com http://www.FourthWorld.com Tel: 323-225-3717 AIM: FourthWorldInc From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net Mon Nov 10 17:35:37 2003 From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas J McGrath III) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 17:35:37 -0500 Subject: Two questions In-Reply-To: <3FB00D1C.9080108@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <34B5C7BC-13CE-11D8-AE46-000A95DA60FA@adelphia.net> Jacqueline, OK, but "the end user CAN adjust the window" in this case by changing the screen size and it WILL mess up the graphics in the app window so I do understand what you are saying but it is not FOOL proof - that being the problem, there will be someone(maybe a fool) who will change the size and it will screw up my app. Again, Jason's answer will fix it if they quit out and restart my app. But I was hoping for a good way to check during runtime and not when reopening my app after the end user screws it up. Once screwed up it does not go back with out Jason's solution. and in my opinion that would be a bug. FWIW Tom On Monday, November 10, 2003, at 05:11 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > On 11/10/03 3:32 PM, Thomas J McGrath III wrote: > >> But, I still think it is a BUG because if I say no resize and REV is >> supposed to ignore it when the user resizes then WHY is it resizing >> when I change the res/size of the screen????? > > It isn't a bug, > "Resize" simply refers to whether or not the end user can adjust the > window. > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com Thomas J McGrath III Advanced Media Group 220 Drake Rd. Bethel Park, PA 15102 3mcgrath at adelphia.net From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net Mon Nov 10 17:40:37 2003 From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas J McGrath III) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 17:40:37 -0500 Subject: Two questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks Richard, I remember you from HC and SC way back in SC 1.0 I used to develop a lot of apps back then. REV has opened the creative vain again for me and I was very pleased to see you here and supporting REV. Thanks again, Tom On Monday, November 10, 2003, at 05:23 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > Thomas J McGrath III wrote: > >> I haven't used Bugzilla before. Could you point me in the right >> direction. > > Clicking, the path is: > Front page->Developer Central->File a Bug Report > > The URL is: > > > It only takes a moment to set up a password, and while the UI is > daunting at > first just read it carefully and next time you post there it'll be > second > nature. > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World Media Corporation > Developer of WebMerge: Publish any database on any Web site > ___________________________________________________________ > Ambassador at FourthWorld.com http://www.FourthWorld.com > Tel: 323-225-3717 AIM: FourthWorldInc > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > Thomas J McGrath III Advanced Media Group 220 Drake Rd. Bethel Park, PA 15102 3mcgrath at adelphia.net From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net Mon Nov 10 17:42:57 2003 From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas J McGrath III) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 17:42:57 -0500 Subject: Screen Resize and REV In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3B03CD46-13CF-11D8-AE46-000A95DA60FA@adelphia.net> For me there is a big black area (I assume from screen redraw over the backdrop) where it stuck out during the resizing. I do have the screen shot to back it up. FWIW Tom On Monday, November 10, 2003, at 05:33 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > Thomas J McGrath III wrote: > >> I just noticed what happens to the application browser if a screen >> resolution is changed during development. >> Interested, I have a screen shot? >> >> Try it yourself. >> first open application browser to width of large screen say 1280x what >> ever. >> then set backdrop to black >> then change screen to 800x600 >> then change screen back to 1280x whatever >> >> I am missing a chunk of my application browser where screen >> overlapped. >> This is in REV 2.1.2 just downloaded as well. >> >> I would say that REV has problems with screen resizing. > > All I see is that the window doesn't resize itself dynamically, same > as the > OS X Finder. The behavior seems consistent with or without the > backdrop. > > Is something else happening there? > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World Media Corporation > ___________________________________________________________ > Ambassador at FourthWorld.com http://www.FourthWorld.com > Tel: 323-225-3717 AIM: FourthWorldInc > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > Thomas J McGrath III Advanced Media Group 220 Drake Rd. Bethel Park, PA 15102 3mcgrath at adelphia.net From dan at clearvisiontech.com Mon Nov 10 17:47:21 2003 From: dan at clearvisiontech.com (Dan Friedman) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 14:47:21 -0800 Subject: Two questions In-Reply-To: <20031110223430.9FA449300A0@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: I just put in my User Guide: "If you change your screen's resolution, you will need to restart the application." -- problem solved. Of course, 99.9% of my users (like most everyone's users) didn't know you could change the resolution!! Just a thought, -Dan > Jacqueline, > > OK, but "the end user CAN adjust the window" in this case by changing > the screen size and it WILL mess up the graphics in the app window so I > do understand what you are saying but it is not FOOL proof - that being > the problem, there will be someone(maybe a fool) who will change the > size and it will screw up my app. > Again, Jason's answer will fix it if they quit out and restart my app. > But I was hoping for a good way to check during runtime and not when > reopening my app after the end user screws it up. Once screwed up it > does not go back with out Jason's solution. and in my opinion that > would be a bug. > > FWIW > Tom From alex at mindlube.com Mon Nov 10 17:52:03 2003 From: alex at mindlube.com (Alex Rice) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 15:52:03 -0700 Subject: string cleaning Message-ID: <8027E308-13D0-11D8-ADD2-000393C4760A@mindlube.com> In my revclips external, I pass strings and symbol names to the CLIPS system, which is not as flexible as runrev with it's data types. In CLIPS a string is: """A string is a set of characters that starts with a double quote (") and is followed by zero or more printable characters. A string ends with double quotes. Double quotes may be embedded within a string by placing a backslash (\) in front of the character. A backslash may be embedded by placing two consecutive backslash characters in the string. Some examples are "foo" "a and b" "1 number" "a\"quote" """ I guess the "printable characters" is what's tripping me up. Sometimes users will copy-paste in characters that Rev accepts just fine in a text field, but CLIPS doesn't think they are OK as a string. I've fixed the obvious problem characters like double quote. CLIPS is an ANSI C program, originating probably in Unix or even PDP/microcomputer days. Can anyone make a guess as to what printable characters means in that context and a good transcript method to clean strings for sending to CLIPS? Thanks, Alex Rice | Mindlube Software | what a waste of thumbs that are opposable to make machines that are disposable -Ani DiFranco From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net Mon Nov 10 18:00:17 2003 From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas J McGrath III) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 18:00:17 -0500 Subject: Two questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dan, I always assume that a user will do what ever I don't want them to do and as such if this 'problem' is not corrected then I will definitely put a clause like this in my ReadMe also. 99.9 will never do it but that .1 is still my concern as a software developer. Thanks. Tom On Monday, November 10, 2003, at 05:47 PM, Dan Friedman wrote: > I just put in my User Guide: "If you change your screen's resolution, > you > will need to restart the application." -- problem solved. > > Of course, 99.9% of my users (like most everyone's users) didn't know > you > could change the resolution!! > > > Just a thought, > -Dan > > > > >> Jacqueline, >> >> OK, but "the end user CAN adjust the window" in this case by changing >> the screen size and it WILL mess up the graphics in the app window so >> I >> do understand what you are saying but it is not FOOL proof - that >> being >> the problem, there will be someone(maybe a fool) who will change the >> size and it will screw up my app. >> Again, Jason's answer will fix it if they quit out and restart my app. >> But I was hoping for a good way to check during runtime and not when >> reopening my app after the end user screws it up. Once screwed up it >> does not go back with out Jason's solution. and in my opinion that >> would be a bug. >> >> FWIW >> Tom > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > Thomas J McGrath III Advanced Media Group 220 Drake Rd. Bethel Park, PA 15102 3mcgrath at adelphia.net From bvg at mac.com Mon Nov 10 18:23:50 2003 From: bvg at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 00:23:50 +0100 Subject: Questions about experiences Message-ID: Hello, I am in the process of writing an article about runrev, and would like to ask you about two things: Did you experience that you wanted to make a project, but where unable to do it with runrev? For example because a technology was not supported, not fast enough or because it was otherwise not up to the task. DId you realise any projects that you did not think that it would be possible to do with runrev? Thank you for your time Bjoernke von Gierke From alex at mindlube.com Mon Nov 10 18:28:57 2003 From: alex at mindlube.com (Alex Rice) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 16:28:57 -0700 Subject: Questions about experiences In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Nov 10, 2003, at 4:23 PM, Bj?rnke von Gierke wrote: > Hello, > I am in the process of writing an article about runrev, and would like > to ask you about two things: > > Did you experience that you wanted to make a project, but where unable > to do it with runrev? For example because a technology was not > supported, not fast enough or because it was otherwise not up to the > task. > > DId you realise any projects that you did not think that it would be > possible to do with runrev? How about the opposite? Runrev enables you to develop what would be difficult or impossible with other tools. (raises hand) Alex Rice | Mindlube Software | what a waste of thumbs that are opposable to make machines that are disposable -Ani DiFranco From bvg at mac.com Mon Nov 10 18:39:16 2003 From: bvg at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 00:39:16 +0100 Subject: Questions about experiences In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <18DA1FB8-13D7-11D8-A02E-003065AD94A4@mac.com> On Dienstag, Nov 11, 2003, at 00:28 Europe/Zurich, Alex Rice wrote: > > On Nov 10, 2003, at 4:23 PM, Bj?rnke von Gierke wrote: > >> Hello, >> I am in the process of writing an article about runrev, and would >> like to ask you about two things: >> >> Did you experience that you wanted to make a project, but where >> unable to do it with runrev? For example because a technology was not >> supported, not fast enough or because it was otherwise not up to the >> task. >> >> DId you realise any projects that you did not think that it would be >> possible to do with runrev? > > How about the opposite? Runrev enables you to develop what would be > difficult or impossible with other tools. (raises hand) Well, i was hoping for some more details :) What particular case are you thinking about? From alex at mindlube.com Mon Nov 10 18:59:08 2003 From: alex at mindlube.com (Alex Rice) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 16:59:08 -0700 Subject: Questions about experiences In-Reply-To: <18DA1FB8-13D7-11D8-A02E-003065AD94A4@mac.com> References: <18DA1FB8-13D7-11D8-A02E-003065AD94A4@mac.com> Message-ID: On Nov 10, 2003, at 4:39 PM, Bj?rnke von Gierke wrote: >> How about the opposite? Runrev enables you to develop what would be >> difficult or impossible with other tools. (raises hand) > > Well, i was hoping for some more details :) > What particular case are you thinking about? OK- I thought you were just looking for the negative experiences. :-) The Facility Calculator I'm working on for ARC, Inc. makes Rev seem like the ideal tool. Some of the project requirements are: -- many screens; approx. 100 -- ever-changing requirements (means RAD environment is a must) -- easy to install (single file executables) -- run and test on Win32 and Mac OS X, -- utilize an external C library (CLIPS) -- responsive performance of standalone -- printing report -- printing screen shots Although it has been rocky at times with all the IDE and engine bugs, overall Rev makes me a lot more productive than any other tool that exists- that I know of. That there is no compilation step: that just switch from Browse to Pointer tools, and develop and test as we go- this is a huge bonus. I can sit down with my coworkers and make changes to screens, and they can see immediately how it will look and how it behaves. When my boss says "We need to add screens XYZ to models FGH, and remove screens ABC from models JKL"- I don't sweat it. Making screens and scripts is *fast* and I can spend most of my time figuring out how to implement the business logic, which is really the only technically challenging part of this project, thanks to Rev. Alex Rice, Software Developer Architectural Research Consultants, Inc. From kray at sonsothunder.com Mon Nov 10 19:11:57 2003 From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 18:11:57 -0600 Subject: Image advice please In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000d01c3a7e8$71ad9b40$6501a8c0@LightningFlash> Ken, It would really help if you could post (or send to one of us) a screenshot of what you are talking about. It's kind of hard to visualize, even though I think you've done an admirable job describing the problem. That may be why no one has responded. :-) Thanks, Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Email: kray at sonsothunder.com Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ > -----Original Message----- > From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com > [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of > Ken Norris > Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 2:59 PM > To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Subject: Image advice please > > > Howdy, > > I didn't get any response so I'll try another shot. Maybe > someone could take a look at the stack and see what I'm > trying to make happen. > > ================ > (original post) > ================ > > Oh dear, here I go again... > > OK, here's the setup: > > I have a graphic image, a simulated plastic color bar with > the color gradient I want, which I can see right through to > the text under it (srcOr). > > Now, the metaphor needs a graphically depicted "mounting > device", in this case it simulates a metal mounting bracket > to which the plastic bar above is attached, and slides up and > down on a brass rod. It must, of course, be opaque. > > The problem comes when the opaque "bracket" seems to include > an opaque white space as part of its rectangle between it's > top and bottom arms, right where the "plastic bar" is > supposed to go. That is, that part of the plastic bar can no > longer see through. > > In SuperCard, I was able to group the two graphics together, > and the metal part opened itself to the see-through part > perfectly when mated into a group. However, SC graphic images > are held a lot different than Rev, so I can't bring it into Rev as is. > > So, now that all that is perfectly clear %) here is the question: > > How do I marry the opaque bracket to the see-through bar in > such a way that the metal part of the bracket image is > opaque, but 'nothing', i.e., no opaque white section, is in > the part where the see-through bar fits (I tried all the > inks, but nothing works properly)? > > Maybe I'm not using the right type of image. I dunno. > > TIA, > Ken N. > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-> revolution > From alex at mindlube.com Mon Nov 10 19:19:34 2003 From: alex at mindlube.com (Alex Rice) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 17:19:34 -0700 Subject: string cleaning In-Reply-To: <8027E308-13D0-11D8-ADD2-000393C4760A@mindlube.com> References: <8027E308-13D0-11D8-ADD2-000393C4760A@mindlube.com> Message-ID: On Nov 10, 2003, at 3:52 PM, Alex Rice wrote: > Can anyone make a guess as to what printable characters means in that > context and a good transcript method to clean strings for sending to > CLIPS? (answering self) OK, there is what "printable characters" means for the C standard library. Unless there is a way to get format() or some other function in transcript to do this? I guess the solution is to write a transcript version of this C function. Also I realized in most cases I can just base64 encode my strings instead of dealing with this issue. """ The isprint() function tests for any printing character including space (` '). For single C chars locales (see multibyte(3)) the value of the argument is representable as an unsigned char or the value of EOF. In the ASCII character set, this includes the following characters (with their numeric values shown in octal): 040 sp 041 ``!'' 042 ``"'' 043 ``#'' 044 ``$'' 045 ``%'' 046 ``&'' 047 ``''' 050 ``('' 051 ``)'' 052 ``*'' 053 ``+'' 054 ``,'' 055 ``-'' 056 ``.'' 057 ``/'' 060 ``0'' 061 ``1'' 062 ``2'' 063 ``3'' 064 ``4'' 065 ``5'' 066 ``6'' 067 ``7'' 070 ``8'' 071 ``9'' 072 ``:'' 073 ``;'' 074 ``<'' 075 ``='' 076 ``>'' 077 ``?'' 100 ``@'' 101 ``A'' 102 ``B'' 103 ``C'' 104 ``D'' 105 ``E'' 106 ``F'' 107 ``G'' 110 ``H'' 111 ``I'' 112 ``J'' 113 ``K'' 114 ``L'' 115 ``M'' 116 ``N'' 117 ``O'' 120 ``P'' 121 ``Q'' 122 ``R'' 123 ``S'' 124 ``T'' 125 ``U'' 126 ``V'' 127 ``W'' 130 ``X'' 131 ``Y'' 132 ``Z'' 133 ``['' 134 ``\'' 135 ``]'' 136 ``^'' 137 ``_'' 140 ```'' 141 ``a'' 142 ``b'' 143 ``c'' 144 ``d'' 145 ``e'' 146 ``f'' 147 ``g'' 150 ``h'' 151 ``i'' 152 ``j'' 153 ``k'' 154 ``l'' 155 ``m'' 156 ``n'' 157 ``o'' 160 ``p'' 161 ``q'' 162 ``r'' 163 ``s'' 164 ``t'' 165 ``u'' 166 ``v'' 167 ``w'' 170 ``x'' 171 ``y'' 172 ``z'' 173 ``{'' 174 ``|'' 175 ``}'' 176 ``~'' """ Alex Rice | Mindlube Software | what a waste of thumbs that are opposable to make machines that are disposable -Ani DiFranco From rpresender at earthlink.net Mon Nov 10 19:39:32 2003 From: rpresender at earthlink.net (Robert Presender) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 16:39:32 -0800 Subject: Limit number of chars in a field In-Reply-To: <20031110204329.E05CF9300AA@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <8441123F-13DF-11D8-B63B-000393A19046@earthlink.net> Hi Glen, I use the following which is probably not the only way one can go. Select your own numbers. put fld 1 into hold1 get the num of chars of hold1 if it >1 and it < 44 then repeat until the number of chars of hold1 = 44 end repeat else if the num of chars of hold1 > 44 then put char 1 to 44 of hold1 into hold1 end if end if On Monday, November 10, 2003, at 12:43 PM, Bojsza wrote > I can't the field property that I can select for limiting the number of > characters a user may enter into a field. I have fields that I want to > allow up to but not exceeding 11 characters. > > I have opened other example scripts but they all allow more characters > than what the field can show? > > Any suggestions? > > Thanks for all the support... > > regards, > > Glen > From tereza at attainmentcompany.com Mon Nov 10 19:44:56 2003 From: tereza at attainmentcompany.com (Tereza Snyder) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 18:44:56 -0600 Subject: Image advice please In-Reply-To: Message-ID: on 11.10.03 2:59 PM, Ken Norris wrote: > The problem comes when the opaque "bracket" seems to include an opaque white > space as part of its rectangle between it's top and bottom arms, right where > the "plastic bar" is supposed to go. That is, that part of the plastic bar > can no longer see through. >... > How do I marry the opaque bracket to the see-through bar in such a way that > the metal part of the bracket image is opaque, but 'nothing', i.e., no > opaque white section, is in the part where the see-through bar fits (I tried > all the inks, but nothing works properly)? > > Maybe I'm not using the right type of image. I dunno. > You didn't mention what type of image your "bracket" was. From what I can imagine, you should use a GIF or PNG that's transparent in the center part and group it with your gradient. No inks necessary. tereza + Tereza Snyder + Senior Software Developer + Attainment Company, Inc. + + 800.327.4269 From alex at mindlube.com Mon Nov 10 19:47:20 2003 From: alex at mindlube.com (Alex Rice) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 17:47:20 -0700 Subject: string cleaning In-Reply-To: References: <8027E308-13D0-11D8-ADD2-000393C4760A@mindlube.com> Message-ID: <9B4A1636-13E0-11D8-ADD2-000393C4760A@mindlube.com> Does this look safe for Windows and Mac funny characters? Those will always be > 126 ascii decimal correct? function isPrint pChar set the useUnicode to false get charToNum(pChar) if (it < 32) or (it > 126) then return false return true end isPrint function printableCharString pString local tRes, c repeat for each character c in pString if isPrint(c) then put c after tRes end repeat return tRes end printableCharString Alex Rice | Mindlube Software | what a waste of thumbs that are opposable to make machines that are disposable -Ani DiFranco From dan at clearvisiontech.com Mon Nov 10 19:58:15 2003 From: dan at clearvisiontech.com (Dan Friedman) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 16:58:15 -0800 Subject: Two questions In-Reply-To: <20031111001604.F088D93008C@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: Tom, Here's a thought... If the user is going to change resolutions while your program is running, then unless they change the resolution from the menubar, they will have to leave the application. You could create a checkForResChange() function in a resume message. Just a thought... -Dan > Dan, > > I always assume that a user will do what ever I don't want them to do > and as such if this 'problem' is not corrected then I will definitely > put a clause like this in my ReadMe also. 99.9 will never do it but > that .1 is still my concern as a software developer. > > Thanks. > Tom From tereza at attainmentcompany.com Mon Nov 10 19:59:55 2003 From: tereza at attainmentcompany.com (Tereza Snyder) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 18:59:55 -0600 Subject: Questions about experiences In-Reply-To: Message-ID: on 11.10.03 5:23 PM, Bj?rnke von Gierke wrote: > I am in the process of writing an article about runrev, and would like > to ask you about two things: > > Did you experience that you wanted to make a project, but where unable > to do it with runrev? For example because a technology was not > supported, not fast enough or because it was otherwise not up to the > task. > > DId you realise any projects that you did not think that it would be > possible to do with runrev? As a 16-year HyperCard/SuperCard/Spinnaker Plus/WinPlus/MetaCard/RunRev veteran who also programs in C++, I've often run into performance or technology barriers that have forced me to drop back into C++ - that is, until I hooked up with MetaCard. I found that at first, I would need something MetaCard could not provide; then, just as I would despair and break out the compiler, MetaCard would come out with a new version incorporating just what I needed. Lately MetaCard and its heir Runtime Revolution have outstripped my demands: there are whole realms of new features that I might employ if had time to imagine uses for them. t + Tereza Snyder + Senior Software Developer + Attainment Company, Inc. + + 800.327.4269 From jason at rippetoe.com Mon Nov 10 20:08:31 2003 From: jason at rippetoe.com (Jason Rippetoe) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 08:08:31 +0700 Subject: Window Resizing Head-scratcher... In-Reply-To: <20031110214712.A356E930098@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <9100705A-13E3-11D8-B9A6-000393CFB710@rippetoe.com> Hi Ken; Before I posted to the list I had looked at the description of windowBoundingRect in the Rev documentation and didn't think that it was the solution I was looking for, though as I've said before, I'm not a programmer and it's quite possible that I'm not understanding the concept well. I do try to figure things out on my own before approaching the list (if only to save myself from looking stupid by asking the most obvious questions!) In this case, I did try the windowBoundingRect suggestion before I stumbled on my own solution and it had no effect. I added it to the preOpenStack script and there was no change in the behavior. The fact that I know how to solve the problem is my main concern- I've found plenty of odd behavior in the Rev IDE as I've been building this project and I guess that learning the workarounds and limitations are part of the package. I'm still puzzled by WHY it happens, even with the explanations and educated guesses that have been presented, especially in light of the fact that sub-stacks open perfectly without the problem. But the bottom line is, I now know how to fix it and that's enough for me! Thanks to everyone who puzzled through this with me... don't worry- I have lots more questions now that this one is put to rest! -Jason On Tuesday, November 11, 2003, at 04:47 AM, Ken Norris wrote: > It's really not a workaround, but rather how it's done with Macs in > Rev, > because of the platform differences. Mac menus are really button > emulations, > not the real thing. > > Check the windowbBoundingRect solution, too. Either technique needs to > be > done in a preOpenStack handler. That's normal, AFAIK. > > Note: My first stack had a fullscreen graphic set used for an onscreen > keyboard, so the very problems you are facing were the _very first_ I > had to > deal with in Rev 1.1. > > Please pay close attention to the experts, like Richard Gaskin. They > know > what's going on. Also, take a look at Jacque's Rev tutorials: > > > > Best regards, > Ken N. From rcozens at pon.net Mon Nov 10 19:35:40 2003 From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 17:35:40 -0700 Subject: string cleaning In-Reply-To: <9B4A1636-13E0-11D8-ADD2-000393C4760A@mindlube.com> References: <8027E308-13D0-11D8-ADD2-000393C4760A@mindlube.com> <9B4A1636-13E0-11D8-ADD2-000393C4760A@mindlube.com> Message-ID: >Does this look safe for Windows and Mac funny characters? Those will >always be > 126 ascii decimal correct? > >function isPrint pChar > set the useUnicode to false > get charToNum(pChar) > if (it < 32) or (it > 126) then return false > return true >end isPrint > >function printableCharString pString > local tRes, c > repeat for each character c in pString > if isPrint(c) then put c after tRes > end repeat > return tRes >end printableCharString > > Looks OK to me, Alex; but why not just use: function printableCharString pString local tRes, c repeat for each character c in pString if c < space or c > "~" then next repeat put c after tRes end repeat return tRes end printableCharString -- Rob Cozens CCW, Serendipity Software Company http://www.oenolog.net/who.htm "And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three; Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee." from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631) From runrev at rivertext.com Mon Nov 10 20:40:31 2003 From: runrev at rivertext.com (Brian Thomas) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 17:40:31 -0800 Subject: OS 10.3 no launch Rev docs -- apple script ??? In-Reply-To: <20031017183012.B31A493017A@mail.runrev.com> References: <20031017183012.B31A493017A@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: I had hoped to send the longest running project in the history of interactive media, If Monks had Macs to the shipper today. However, I had to try it on 10.3 Sunday ..... First the background: The problem with Monks is that it was set up so that you open our virtual Monastery library by clicking on a document rather than an application. On OS 9 the creator code system and on Windows the registry system (which the installer configures for you) handle this beautifully. However, on OS 10 things don't work so well. A number of beta testers reported problems with the Monks document not launching at first such as this: "1) After doing the install on os x (10.2.8) I got a dialog saying that no application was selected to open the "If Monks Had Macs" document. I played around with Sophie and the next time I tried double clicking the IMHM document the app opened without problems. There is something wrong here." I figured out how to solve this on OS 10.2 by having the Installermaker installer automatically launch first the application and then, once the application was open, it automatically launched the Monks document and the System handled this correctly. This does not work in 10.3 The system just reports: "There is no default application specified to open the document "If Monks had Macs" cancel choose application Our app, of course, is not on the approved list. -------------- It was suggested that it might be a permissions issue so I checked it on separate machine after fixing all the permissions -- same thing. ---------------- Is it possible to write an apple script that will fix this and launch the document with the correct application ? Has anyone done this ? Please let me know if this is possible. I am really up against a wall after spending years with MetaCard/Revolution. -- Brian b_t at rivertext.com http://www.rivertext.com/ a worker's guide to western civilization From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net Mon Nov 10 20:48:51 2003 From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas J McGrath III) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 20:48:51 -0500 Subject: Two questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3315B428-13E9-11D8-B3F6-000A95DA60FA@adelphia.net> Dan, Is resume sent when just accessing a menubar item? If so this is the magic cure I was looking for. If not it would certainly work for an app with no menuBar at least. I love this list. Tom On Nov 10, 2003, at 7:58 PM, Dan Friedman wrote: > Tom, > > Here's a thought... If the user is going to change resolutions while > your > program is running, then unless they change the resolution from the > menubar, > they will have to leave the application. You could create a > checkForResChange() function in a resume message. > > Just a thought... > > -Dan > > >> Dan, >> >> I always assume that a user will do what ever I don't want them to do >> and as such if this 'problem' is not corrected then I will definitely >> put a clause like this in my ReadMe also. 99.9 will never do it but >> that .1 is still my concern as a software developer. >> >> Thanks. >> Tom > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > Thomas J McGrath III Advanced Media Group 220 Drake Rd. Bethel Park, PA 15102 3mcgrath at adelphia.net From chipp at chipp.com Mon Nov 10 20:56:48 2003 From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 19:56:48 -0600 Subject: Image advice In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ken, Perhaps you should consider building a demo stack and posting it online somewhere so others can view it and give you feedback. -Chipp From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net Mon Nov 10 21:11:26 2003 From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas J McGrath III) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 21:11:26 -0500 Subject: Questions about experiences In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5AC3A840-13EC-11D8-8A8C-000A95DA60FA@adelphia.net> No projects so far that I would not be able to do. :) I am looking for a set of commands for working with serial over usb for a MacBrick I bought. REV can handle this I'm sure and someone has already created one similar. I have created after only owning REV for two weeks an interactive CD for my company with over 40 cards and 50 substacks with imported movies and voiceovers and a glossary. Very cool. I am working on another project for artists and such. Tom On Nov 10, 2003, at 6:23 PM, Bj?rnke von Gierke wrote: > Hello, > I am in the process of writing an article about runrev, and would like > to ask you about two things: > > Did you experience that you wanted to make a project, but where unable > to do it with runrev? For example because a technology was not > supported, not fast enough or because it was otherwise not up to the > task. > > DId you realise any projects that you did not think that it would be > possible to do with runrev? > > > Thank you for your time > Bjoernke von Gierke > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > Thomas J McGrath III Advanced Media Group 220 Drake Rd. Bethel Park, PA 15102 3mcgrath at adelphia.net From dan at clearvisiontech.com Mon Nov 10 21:18:22 2003 From: dan at clearvisiontech.com (Dan Friedman) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 18:18:22 -0800 Subject: use-revolution Digest, Vol 2, Issue 54 In-Reply-To: <20031111014744.C878B930072@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: Tom, You'll have to check the Docs and maybe even make a test Stack to test things out. And, yes, I couldn't agree more! The kind and generous folks on this list has saved my butt on more than one occasion! Glad I could help someone else [for once]! -Dan > Dan, > > Is resume sent when just accessing a menubar item? If so this is the > magic cure I was looking for. If not it would certainly work for an app > with no menuBar at least. > > I love this list. > > Tom > > On Nov 10, 2003, at 7:58 PM, Dan Friedman wrote: > >> Tom, >> >> Here's a thought... If the user is going to change resolutions while >> your >> program is running, then unless they change the resolution from the >> menubar, >> they will have to leave the application. You could create a >> checkForResChange() function in a resume message. >> >> Just a thought... >> >> -Dan From sarahr at genesearch.com.au Mon Nov 10 21:19:35 2003 From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 12:19:35 +1000 Subject: OS 10.3 no launch Rev docs -- apple script ??? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <7E88EFAE-13ED-11D8-B884-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au> > > Is it possible to write an apple script that will fix this and launch > the document with the correct application ? > > Has anyone done this ? > > Please let me know if this is possible. I am really up against a wall > after spending years with MetaCard/Revolution. > Hi Brian, Yes, this is possible but if you give me a few hours, I should have Panther installed and I can check it for you. I don't want to send you an AppleScript that turns out not to work on 10.3. Cheers, Sarah sarahr at genesearch.com.au http://www.troz.net/Rev/ From alex at mindlube.com Mon Nov 10 21:56:29 2003 From: alex at mindlube.com (Alex Rice) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 19:56:29 -0700 Subject: string cleaning In-Reply-To: References: <8027E308-13D0-11D8-ADD2-000393C4760A@mindlube.com> <9B4A1636-13E0-11D8-ADD2-000393C4760A@mindlube.com> Message-ID: On Nov 10, 2003, at 5:35 PM, Rob Cozens wrote: > > Looks OK to me, Alex; but why not just use: > > function printableCharString pString > local tRes, c > repeat for each character c in pString > if c < space or c > "~" then next repeat > put c after tRes > end repeat > return tRes > end printableCharString Because I didn't know you could use < and > that way :-) Thanks, Alex Rice | Mindlube Software | what a waste of thumbs that are opposable to make machines that are disposable -Ani DiFranco From rpresender at earthlink.net Mon Nov 10 22:08:23 2003 From: rpresender at earthlink.net (Robert Presender) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 19:08:23 -0800 Subject: Menu Message-ID: <4F8C0687-13F4-11D8-B63B-000393A19046@earthlink.net> Hi, So far, I haven't found the proper command(?) to delete a menu group from a stack. I copy a group menu from stack A to stack B in a preOpen handler in stack B. Stack B needs an updated menu from stack A when stack B opens. How does one delete the menu group in stack B with a closeStack handler in stack B so that when stack B re-opens, the group menu is the current group menu of stack A? Any suggests? TIA Regards ... Bob From rpresender at earthlink.net Mon Nov 10 22:20:14 2003 From: rpresender at earthlink.net (Robert Presender) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 19:20:14 -0800 Subject: Limit number of chars in a field > correction In-Reply-To: <20031111014744.ADA7493008D@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: OOOPS. Forgot to include that hold1 is put back in field 1. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrr On Monday, November 10, 2003, at 05:47 PM, Robert Presender wrote: > Hi Glen, > I use the following which is probably not the only way one can go. > Select your own numbers. > > put fld 1 into hold1 > get the num of chars of hold1 > if it >1 and it < 44 then > repeat until the number of chars of hold1 = 44 > end repeat > else > if the num of chars of hold1 > 44 then > put char 1 to 44 of hold1 into hold1 > end if > end if > From capellan2000 at yahoo.com Mon Nov 10 22:21:59 2003 From: capellan2000 at yahoo.com (Alejandro Tejada) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 19:21:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: Looking for a library to implement Isometric Worlds in Runrev In-Reply-To: <20031111014744.C878B930072@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <20031111032159.45907.qmail@web40505.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Revolutionaries, Recently, we have seen some extraordinary developments for this platform: the altBrowser DLL, the openGL game builder, the FMOD dll (I have hear streaming music for hours within a stack)and more, so I dare to ask: Is anyone developing a library to build isometric worlds in Runrev? This is a worthy addition to the choices already mentioned. If any of you, is able AND were to build one library for this task, How much it will cost? If more users are interested, we can discuss features right here, or send comments to my mail. Thanks in advance. Alejandro Tejada ===== Visit my site: http://www.geocities.com/capellan2000/ Search the mail list: http://mindlube.com/cgi-bin/search-use-rev.cgi __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From pixelbird at interisland.net Mon Nov 10 23:31:41 2003 From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 20:31:41 -0800 Subject: Image advice please In-Reply-To: <20031111014744.ADA7493008D@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: Hi Tereza, > Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 18:44:56 -0600 > From: Tereza Snyder > Subject: Re: Image advice please > You didn't mention what type of image your "bracket" was. From what I can > imagine, you should use a GIF or PNG that's transparent in the center part > and group it with your gradient. No inks necessary. --------- Thanks for the Re. You mean just "open" though, right? As in, no image part there. That might work...OK, I'll try it. I didn't need a PNG in SC, so I didn't think of that. Thanks so much, Ken N. From pixelbird at interisland.net Mon Nov 10 23:45:59 2003 From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 20:45:59 -0800 Subject: Image advice please In-Reply-To: <20031111001604.D5793930088@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: Hi Ken, > Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 18:11:57 -0600 > From: "Ken Ray" > Subject: RE: Image advice please > It would really help if you could post (or send to one of us) a > screenshot of what you are talking about. It's kind of hard to > visualize, even though I think you've done an admirable job describing > the problem. That may be why no one has responded. :-) --------- Yes, I know. Describing unique graphic manipulation is nearly impossible with words. One of these days I hope we'll be able to post screen shots directly to this list. Can you imagine the dynamics of what a help that would be? In the meantime I don't really have a place to post it, but if someone could look, I'll send it offlist as an attachment. Thanks, Ken N. From pixelbird at interisland.net Tue Nov 11 00:16:51 2003 From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 21:16:51 -0800 Subject: Two questions In-Reply-To: <20031110223430.8823A93009F@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: Hi Tom, > Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 17:35:37 -0500 > From: Thomas J McGrath III <3mcgrath at adelphia.net> > Subject: Re: Two questions > Again, Jason's answer will fix it if they quit out and restart my app. > But I was hoping for a good way to check during runtime and not when > reopening my app after the end user screws it up. Once screwed up it > does not go back with out Jason's solution. and in my opinion that > would be a bug. ---------- I see your point, i.e., you think the engine should dynamically detect a screen res change and adjust the geometry during runtime. I like it, and it would certainly be an improvement. In fairness, though, even some fairly modern games I have won't do that while they're running. Their solution is to simply block access to such things while running, i.e., you can't change screen res unless you pause the game (or Quit) and go do it. When it resumes it checks such things and adjusts the geometry at that time. In the meantime, Richard's suggestion of implementing a "send in (time)" structure seems a good solution. That's what it's for, so that such things can happen with no significant taxing of the processor, such that performance isn't affected. That structure is a boon to this type of hyper-level dev tool, because it allows a unique modicum of behind-the-scenes multitasking. It allows us to do some things which were previously impossible in this venue. HTH, Ken N. From kee at kagi.com Tue Nov 11 00:26:47 2003 From: kee at kagi.com (kee nethery) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 21:26:47 -0800 Subject: convert md5digest to HEX? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: When I do md5digest("billybob2003NOV11runCmd") I get a string of text that is not email safe, it contains upper ascii characters that will get munged as it travels through the internet mail servers out there in the world. I tried to use baseConvert(md5digest("billybob2003NOV11runCmd"),???,16) to convert it to hex but that keeps giving me an error because (I assume) I don't know what base to put into the originalbase parameter. When I try binaryDecode(???,md5digest("billybob2003NOV11runCmd"),???) again I don't get an answer that looks correct because I don't understand what I am supposed to put into the formatsList nor the variablesList parameters. If I loop through the characters of the md5digest, do a charToNum conversion and then convert base 10 num to base 16, (and pad the most significant digit if the result is less than hex "10"), I get the following result: 0B3B943EB414186491873361E5A2DF1D Which looks exactly like what I want to see. Is there a way to use baseConvert or binaryDecode to convert an md5digest result to hex? Thanks, Kee Nethery From sarahr at genesearch.com.au Tue Nov 11 00:29:31 2003 From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 15:29:31 +1000 Subject: OS 10.3 no launch Rev docs -- apple script ??? In-Reply-To: References: <20031017183012.B31A493017A@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <06B0F8FE-1408-11D8-AB55-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au> > Is it possible to write an apple script that will fix this and launch > the document with the correct application ? > > Has anyone done this ? Hi Brian, Here is an AppleScript that allows you to launch a document with a specified application using Panther. It requires Rev 2.1 at least to use the revMacToUnix function for converting file paths, but if you don't have that, search the mailing list for POSIX and you'll find a function that does the same things. As I see it, the problem will be knowing the exact file paths for both your application and the document file. I am not familiar with installers, but can your installer maker return this data or record it in a preference file that you could delete later? Anyway, here is my script (watch out of line breaks): on openDocWithApp -- get the path to the doc and format for AppleScript answer file "Select the doc:" put it into tDoc if tDoc is empty then exit to top put revMacFromUnixPath(tDoc) into tDoc -- get the path to the app and format for AppleScript answer file "Select the app:" put it into tApp if tApp is empty then exit to top put revMacFromUnixPath(tApp) into tApp -- construct the AppleScript, then "do" it and check for error put "tell application " & quote & "Finder" & quote & cr into tScript put "open alias " & quote & tDoc & quote & " using alias " & quote \ & tApp & quote & cr after tScript put "end tell" after tScript do tScript as AppleScript if the result is not empty then answer the result end openDocWithApp On re-reading your email, I guess what you were really after was a way to set up the relevant file associations in OS 10.3 so I'm not sure this is any help. Sorry :-( Cheers, Sarah sarahr at genesearch.com.au http://www.troz.net/Rev/ From dsc at swcp.com Tue Nov 11 00:41:22 2003 From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 22:41:22 -0700 Subject: convert md5digest to HEX? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Monday, November 10, 2003, at 10:26 PM, kee nethery wrote: > Is there a way to use baseConvert or binaryDecode to convert an > md5digest result to hex? function hex s local h get binaryDecode("H*",s,h) return h end hex I use this often. Dar Scott From dsc at swcp.com Tue Nov 11 00:46:47 2003 From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 22:46:47 -0700 Subject: Need Sample for passing structure and pointer to and from C In-Reply-To: <004001c3a730$bce467a0$0100a8c0@lbpark> Message-ID: <70859BE2-140A-11D8-9581-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com> On Sunday, November 9, 2003, at 07:17 PM, lbpark wrote: > I can build a C library for basic operations to be used by other > programs like RR. > So if you could show me how to communicate between C and RR, that > should be > a great help for me. Though you can build a C structure in revolution, you might be better off building it in the external function or command. The pointer can not be passed to the external but can be created in the external. Dar Scott From alex at mindlube.com Tue Nov 11 00:52:54 2003 From: alex at mindlube.com (Alex Rice) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 22:52:54 -0700 Subject: OS 10.3 no launch Rev docs -- apple script ??? In-Reply-To: References: <20031017183012.B31A493017A@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <4B3E6A8C-140B-11D8-89DB-000393C4760A@mindlube.com> On Nov 10, 2003, at 6:40 PM, Brian Thomas wrote: > "There is no default application specified to open the document "If > Monks had Macs" Brian, I would recommend using both a creator code and a file extension for binding the document type to the App. Apple's OS X "Launch Services" system is pretty complex and if you use both the creator and extension you are making the bindings more reliable. It appears MIME types is now a 3rd option for binding documents to apps- I don't know when that was added maybe with 10.3. If you are feeling adventurous XCode has a GUI interface for creating an Info.plist file with various application bundle settings, including document types. You can use XCode just for creating an Info.plist file with exactly the information you need. You can then take the Info.plist file and put it into your OS X app bundle in place of the Revolution generated one. Install Dev Tools CD Launch XCode.app Choose New Project Choose Cocoa Document-based Application Type any Project Name Finish Expand "Targets" Select your target Command-i or click Inspector in toolbar Properties button Enter all your information Copy the Info.plist file from your Project's folder into your Rev standalone app bundle. Alex Rice | Mindlube Software | what a waste of thumbs that are opposable to make machines that are disposable -Ani DiFranco From kray at sonsothunder.com Tue Nov 11 01:19:51 2003 From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 00:19:51 -0600 Subject: Menu In-Reply-To: <4F8C0687-13F4-11D8-B63B-000393A19046@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <005101c3a81b$d3d91af0$6501a8c0@LightningFlash> You should just be able to say: delete group (the menubar of this stack) Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Email: kray at sonsothunder.com Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ > -----Original Message----- > From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com > [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of > Robert Presender > Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 9:08 PM > To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Subject: Menu > > > Hi, > > So far, I haven't found the proper command(?) to delete a menu group > from a stack. > > I copy a group menu from stack A to stack B in a preOpen handler in > stack B. Stack B needs an updated menu from stack A when > stack B opens. > > How does one delete the menu group in stack B with a > closeStack handler > in stack B so that when stack B re-opens, the group menu is > the current > group menu of stack A? > > Any suggests? TIA > > Regards ... Bob > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-> revolution > From Mark.Powell at veritas.com Tue Nov 11 01:25:25 2003 From: Mark.Powell at veritas.com (Mark Powell) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 22:25:25 -0800 Subject: Questions about experiences Message-ID: Bjoernke: I'll echo what Alex wrote (i.e. extolling its positives). I spent seven years at Apple Computer in the early 90s on a team that delivered technical documentation using a home-grown HyperCard engine. I was never a programmer, but over the course of that time I became very proficient at understanding the texture of HC. It was like that dream where I was in a foreign country but could somehow speak flawlessly in the local language. Then I woke up! I left Apple, entered the Wintel-dominated work force, and all my HC skills were for nothing. Nevering finding equivalent time to learn some other SDE, I was never able to automate tasks as I would like and found myself hamstrung in trying to do what I knew an X-Talk SDE would allow me to do. Simple things, most of them. When I stumbled across Revolution last summer, I swear I felt like singing Amazing Grace ("that once I was lost, and now I am found"). Not to sound too much the groupie, but without Revolution, I'd be blind, deaf, and mute (metaphorically speaking). Mark Powell -----Original Message----- From: Bj?rnke von Gierke [mailto:bvg at mac.com] Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 4:24 PM To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Subject: Questions about experiences Hello, I am in the process of writing an article about runrev, and would like to ask you about two things: Did you experience that you wanted to make a project, but where unable to do it with runrev? For example because a technology was not supported, not fast enough or because it was otherwise not up to the task. DId you realise any projects that you did not think that it would be possible to do with runrev? Thank you for your time Bjoernke von Gierke _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From ambassador at fourthworld.com Tue Nov 11 03:29:59 2003 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 00:29:59 -0800 Subject: convert md5digest to HEX? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: kee nethery wrote: > Is there a way to use baseConvert or binaryDecode to convert an > md5digest result to hex? Would base64 do? put base64encode(md5digest("somestring")) -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation Developer of WebMerge: Publish any database on any Web site ___________________________________________________________ Ambassador at FourthWorld.com http://www.FourthWorld.com Tel: 323-225-3717 AIM: FourthWorldInc From jason at rippetoe.com Tue Nov 11 04:02:44 2003 From: jason at rippetoe.com (Jason Rippetoe) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 16:02:44 +0700 Subject: Multiple-Choice Problems... Message-ID: The fateful moment has arrived- when I reveal to the list actual scripts I have written, showing the true depth of my coding abilities. Despite the shallowness of these snippets and the possibility that some of you more educated programmers might snicker a bit at my naivet?, I'm quite proud of the fact that I was able to cobble this together on my own and that it actually WORKS! Well, make that "works up to a point." I'm not so proud of myself I won't ask for help. Here's the background- This is a foreign language vocabulary drill program. It uses audio bits and images in a multiple-choice format- the user clicks a button to hear the audio of the vocab word, then selects an answer from one of four images. If the image corresponds with the audio, it displays an affirmative graphic, if it doesn't a negative graphic appears. I'll present the scripts I use to get to this point before I give you the problem I'm facing right now. For development purposes, I have this in three buttons, but button one would likely be in an openStack handler in a finished product, since it only needs to occur once. Button two could not be a button at all or combined with button three, since it never actually gets pressed by the user. I had them separate to keep actions clear in my mind while developing. Hope it doesn't confuse the issue. Button one starts off the show, taking the comma-delimited data from a field ("SourceData"), then putting it into a variable. Each line in the field is two paths- one to the audio file and the other to the corresponding graphic. Forgive me if there are global variables that aren't used in every handler... I've changed them so many times as I've worked on this that there are a few unused, I think. global gSourceData, gRandomLines on mouseUp put field "SourceData" into gSourceData put empty into gRandomLines send mouseUp to button "Button 2" end MouseUp The next button figures out how many lines are in the gSourceData, and puts it into a variable. Then grabs a random one of those lines as the correct answer, then three other lines to represent incorrect answers. Since the lines are deleted from the gSourceData in the process, the "wrong" answers are added back to gSourceData so that they can be used as answers again. The "correct" answer is removed so that it does not appear as a correct answer again, however, it cannot be used as an incorrect answer either, which is a shortcoming of my script. global gSourceData, gSourceLines, gRandomLines, gTempSource, gSelection, gSolution, gAltSolutions, on mouseUp put empty into gAltSolutions put the number of lines of gSourceData into gSourceLines -- If there are 10 lines, gSourceLines will be "10" put random(gSourceLines) into gSelection put line gSelection of gSourceData into line 1 of gRandomLines delete line gSelection of gSourceData put gRandomLines into gSolution put empty into gRandomLines repeat with x = 1 to 3 times put the number of lines of gSourceData into gSourceLines -- If there are 10 lines, gSourceLines will be "10" put random(gSourceLines) into gSelection put line gSelection of gSourceData into line x of gRandomLines delete line gSelection of gSourceData end repeat put gRandomLines into gAltSolutions put gRandomLines&return&gSourceData into gSourceData end mouseUp The final button takes the correct and incorrect answers and assigns them to one of four positions on the screen. It is pressed by the user to get a new correct answer to advance the program. global gSourceData, gSourceLines, gRandomLines, gTempSource, gSelection, gSolution, gAltSolutions, gRandomImage1, gRandomImage2, gRandomImage3, gRandomImage4 on mouseUp put field "gImage Source" into gImageSource put empty into gRandomImage1 put empty into gRandomImage2 put empty into gRandomImage3 put empty into gRandomImage4 repeat with x = 1 to 4 times put the number of lines of gImageSource into gImageSourceLines -- If there are 10 lines, gSourceLines will be "10" put random(gImageSourceLines) into gImageSelection put line gImageSelection of gImageSource into line x of gImageLines delete line gImageSelection of gImageSource end repeat -- Set the correct answer set the fileName of player "Question" to item 1 of line 1 of gSolution put line 1 of gImageLines into gRandomImage1 set the fileName of gRandomImage1 to item 2 of line 1 of gSolution -- Set the Alt Selection 1 set the fileName of player "Alt1" to item 1 of line 1 of gAltSolutions put line 2 of gImageLines into gRandomImage2 set the fileName of gRandomImage2 to item 2 of line 1 of gAltSolutions -- Set the Alt Selection 2 set the fileName of player "Alt2" to item 1 of line 2 of gAltSolutions put line 3 of gImageLines into gRandomImage3 set the fileName of gRandomImage3 to item 2 of line 2 of gAltSolutions -- Set the Alt Selection 3 set the fileName of player "Alt3" to item 1 of line 3 of gAltSolutions put line 4 of gImageLines into gRandomImage4 set the fileName of gRandomImage4 to item 2 of line 3 of gAltSolutions send mouseUp to button "Button 2" end mouseUp Finally, each image has a script as well that functions as a button to reveal whether the user has selected the correct answer when clicked. global gRandomImage1 on mouseUp if the name of me is gRandomImage1 then show field "CorrectDisplay" else show field "FalseDisplay" wait 1 sec hide field "FalseDisplay" end if wait 1 sec hide field "CorrectDisplay" end mouseUp That's pretty much it, though there is a problem, which appears as I get to the end of the listings in gSourceData. Once there are less than four questions left, a line is left blank, meaning that there is no path for the image in the following questions. So instead of a pretty vocabulary image, there's a blank spot, which repeats until the last item in the list happens to be the randomly-selected "correct" answer. I haven't been able to figure out a simple way to run through the complete list without getting this blank spot. Actually, I did think of one way, but have no idea how to do the code- I'm afraid I do fine with small steps, but trying to implement something large gets the better of me. I'm sure there is a much more elegant solution to than what I've already created- unfortunately, I haven't any idea how to proceed! Sorry for the long post. I've rambled enough- any ideas from anyone out there in Rev land? Thanks, -Jason From dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk Tue Nov 11 04:28:55 2003 From: dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 09:28:55 +0000 Subject: convert md5digest to HEX? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 9:26 pm -0800 10/11/03, kee nethery wrote: >Is there a way to use baseConvert or binaryDecode to convert an >md5digest result to hex? I use this function: function hexDigest pvalue local tRes put md5Digest(pValue) into tMD5 get binaryDecode("H*",tMD5,tRes) return tRes end hexDigest It gives the same results as the perl md5_hex method. Cheers Dave From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com Tue Nov 11 05:31:28 2003 From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:31:28 +0000 Subject: Interfacing RunRev with C/C++ Code In-Reply-To: <7E88EFAE-13ED-11D8-B884-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au> References: <7E88EFAE-13ED-11D8-B884-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au> Message-ID: Hi, I am evaluating using RunRev for a project and I need to find out the following: 1. Can RunRev be interfaced with C/C++ code? 2. If so, could someone point me to some documentation tell how it is acheived? In this project we would want to use RunRev to build a GUI and then send messages (via TCP/IP) to a back-end engine written in C/C++ which may or may not be running on the same machine. 3. Is the above feasable using RunRev? I have downloaded the trail version and have satisfied myself that it will be the best choice for a GUI tool. Thanks in advance for your help Dave From psahores at easynet.fr Tue Nov 11 05:52:10 2003 From: psahores at easynet.fr (Pierre Sahores) Date: 11 Nov 2003 11:52:10 +0100 Subject: Interfacing RunRev with C/C++ Code In-Reply-To: References: <7E88EFAE-13ED-11D8-B884-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au> Message-ID: <1068547930.2836.12.camel@www.kmax.ici> Le mar 11/11/2003 ? 11:31, David Burgun a ?crit : > Hi, > > I am evaluating using RunRev for a project and I need to find out the > following: > > 1. Can RunRev be interfaced with C/C++ code? Yes. Ask directly to Tuviah Snyder how to link C/C++ libs to Rev. As the Rev's technical manager, Tuviah is using extensivelly this way to build Rev's SQL databases connectors and such kind of C/C++ Rev's extentions. > > 2. If so, could someone point me to some documentation tell how it is acheived? > > In this project we would want to use RunRev to build a GUI and then > send messages (via TCP/IP) to a back-end engine written in C/C++ > which may or may not be running on the same machine. It's OK too : Rev is full featured to handle TCP/IP, UDP and Unix sockets and connections. > > 3. Is the above feasable using RunRev? Yes. > > I have downloaded the trail version and have satisfied myself that it > will be the best choice for a GUI tool. > > Thanks in advance for your help > Dave > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores 100, rue de Paris F - 77140 Nemours psahores at easynet.fr GSM: +33 6 03 95 77 70 Pro: +33 1 41 60 52 68 Dom: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Fax: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Inspection acad?mique de Seine-Saint-Denis Applications et SGBD ACID SQL (WEB et PGI) Penser et produire "delta de productivit?" From heather at runrev.com Tue Nov 11 07:46:15 2003 From: heather at runrev.com (Heather Williams) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 12:46:15 +0000 Subject: Revolution Seminar? Message-ID: Dear listees, We are considering holding a paid Revolution seminar, in conjunction with attending MacWorld in San Francisco in January. If such a thing were to come about, how many of you would be interested/able to attend? What topics would you like to see discussed? If you think you would be likely to attend, please send an email to me, personally, NOT to the list, heather at runrev.com, with "seminar" in the subject line. If you have an idea for a topic you'd like to see addressed, feel free to post to the list, it should be an interesting discussion. Regards, Heather -- Heather Williams ~ heather at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution - User-Centric Development Tools Tel +44 (0) 131 7184333 Fax +44 (0) 845 4588487 ~~~ Check our web site for new Revolution editions & special offers ~~~ From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net Tue Nov 11 07:47:40 2003 From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas J McGrath III) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 07:47:40 -0500 Subject: Image advice please In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3C74BE02-1445-11D8-A1D5-000A95DA60FA@adelphia.net> Ken, Send it on..... At least Graphics are something I know quite a lot about. Tom On Nov 10, 2003, at 11:45 PM, Ken Norris wrote: > Hi Ken, > >> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 18:11:57 -0600 >> From: "Ken Ray" >> Subject: RE: Image advice please > >> It would really help if you could post (or send to one of us) a >> screenshot of what you are talking about. It's kind of hard to >> visualize, even though I think you've done an admirable job describing >> the problem. That may be why no one has responded. :-) > --------- > Yes, I know. Describing unique graphic manipulation is nearly > impossible > with words. > > One of these days I hope we'll be able to post screen shots directly > to this > list. Can you imagine the dynamics of what a help that would be? > > In the meantime I don't really have a place to post it, but if someone > could > look, I'll send it offlist as an attachment. > > Thanks, > Ken N. > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > Thomas J McGrath III Advanced Media Group 220 Drake Rd. Bethel Park, PA 15102 3mcgrath at adelphia.net From alptex2 at orwell.net Tue Nov 11 07:48:57 2003 From: alptex2 at orwell.net (T. R. Ponn) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 07:48:57 -0500 Subject: Questions about experiences References: Message-ID: <3FB0DAB9.5030002@orwell.net> Bj?rnke von Gierke wrote > Did you experience that you wanted to make a project, but where unable > to do it with runrev? For example because a technology was not > supported, not fast enough or because it was otherwise not up to the task? > > DId you realise any projects that you did not think that it would be > possible to do with runrev? Being an antique HC lover since version 1.0 hit the streets, I entered into my latest project with many fears about limitations. I mean, after all, it IS *only* an xTalk! Wow...I am completely blown away with what I've been able to do. So far, I've found NO limits with Rev. I'm sure I'll hit them sooner or later...but to date...nadda! I have 2 associates who warned me about wasting time...one is in love with Linux & JAVA, the other Windows/ C++/ VB. At every turn, I heard the same doubts from them (echoed in my head, as well). Between RunRev and the wonderful ppl on this list, my project is complete (well, perhaps it will never be done ;-) ). My associates are now keenly interested in this RunRev IDE! :-D BTW...this took 6 months from a cold start (except for the HC background), and Rev1.1.1. You can download a copy of our app from our website. There are 3 standalones there...Mac PPC, Windows and Linux. It's rather specialized SW...meant to control an embedded system...so it's real meaning may be lost on those not familiar with the embedded world. I am totally and completely in Love with Rev. Best Regards, Tim Ponn From heather at runrev.com Tue Nov 11 08:19:10 2003 From: heather at runrev.com (Heather Williams) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 13:19:10 +0000 Subject: 2.1.2 announced In-Reply-To: <20031110223430.9FA449300A0@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: > Recently, "Richard Gaskin" wrote: > >> Will there be a version localized for Californians?: >> >> "Dude, these warez are way cool. >> Full-on rockin' power like a south swell under your board. >> Check it -- you'll be so stoked." > > Dude. > > (translation: "Mr. Gaskin, I wholeheartedly agree with your amusing and yet > most eloquent post to the list.") Och noo, be reasonable laddie. That would mean we'd be having to rewrite Revolution in broad scots too, ye ken. For why wad we no be having that, an we translated to californian? It's a braw, bricht nicht the nicht laddie... Scots wah hey and other unintelligable noises, Heather > > Regards, > > Scott Rossi -- Heather Williams ~ heather at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution - User-Centric Development Tools Tel +44 (0) 131 7184333 Fax +44 (0) 845 4588487 ~~~ Check our web site for new Revolution editions & special offers ~~~ From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net Tue Nov 11 07:55:23 2003 From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas J McGrath III) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 07:55:23 -0500 Subject: Two questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <505BCC09-1446-11D8-A1D5-000A95DA60FA@adelphia.net> OK Ken, I am not used to the send in (time) structure. So, you and Richard are suggesting it and it does not use up processor time??? I remember 'too much recursion' in SC and as such have stayed away from complex time loops etc. :-) Are you guys sure that 'send in' will actually work without taxing the various systems and processors? Cause if I start using it, you know I will break it. ;-) Thanks again, P.S. send me a screenshot or sample stack for that graphic problem you have. Tom On Nov 11, 2003, at 12:16 AM, Ken Norris wrote: > Hi Tom, > >> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 17:35:37 -0500 >> From: Thomas J McGrath III <3mcgrath at adelphia.net> >> Subject: Re: Two questions > >> Again, Jason's answer will fix it if they quit out and restart my app. >> But I was hoping for a good way to check during runtime and not when >> reopening my app after the end user screws it up. Once screwed up it >> does not go back with out Jason's solution. and in my opinion that >> would be a bug. > ---------- > I see your point, i.e., you think the engine should dynamically detect > a > screen res change and adjust the geometry during runtime. I like it, > and it > would certainly be an improvement. In fairness, though, even some > fairly > modern games I have won't do that while they're running. Their > solution is > to simply block access to such things while running, i.e., you can't > change > screen res unless you pause the game (or Quit) and go do it. When it > resumes > it checks such things and adjusts the geometry at that time. > > In the meantime, Richard's suggestion of implementing a "send in > (time)" > structure seems a good solution. That's what it's for, so that such > things > can happen with no significant taxing of the processor, such that > performance isn't affected. That structure is a boon to this type of > hyper-level dev tool, because it allows a unique modicum of > behind-the-scenes multitasking. It allows us to do some things which > were > previously impossible in this venue. > > HTH, > Ken N. > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > Thomas J McGrath III Advanced Media Group 220 Drake Rd. Bethel Park, PA 15102 3mcgrath at adelphia.net From rpresender at earthlink.net Tue Nov 11 09:20:41 2003 From: rpresender at earthlink.net (Robert Presender) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 06:20:41 -0800 Subject: Menu In-Reply-To: <20031111092753.E0DC99300B7@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <3AE8824E-1452-11D8-9B77-000393A19046@earthlink.net> Thanks Ken. I originally used that in the message box but the menubar didn't delete in browse mode as I expected. Works ok as a handler. On Tuesday, November 11, 2003, at 01:27 AM, Ken Ray wrote: snip > Message: 5 > > You should just be able to say: > > delete group (the menubar of this stack) > From ambassador at fourthworld.com Tue Nov 11 11:00:07 2003 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 08:00:07 -0800 Subject: Two questions In-Reply-To: <505BCC09-1446-11D8-A1D5-000A95DA60FA@adelphia.net> Message-ID: Thomas J McGrath III wrote: > I am not used to the send in (time) structure. So, you and Richard are > suggesting it and it does not use up processor time??? > I remember 'too much recursion' in SC and as such have stayed away from > complex time loops etc. > :-) Are you guys sure that 'send in' will actually work without taxing > the various systems and processors? Cause if I start using it, you know > I will break it. ;-) The "send in