[Use-revolution] Digest use-revolution.v001.n140
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001 - "Mark MacKenzie (Shaw)" < - Re: Was HTML Text Files
002 - Philip Usher <usher at iqcis - Re: Digest use-revolution.v001.n139
003 - "Ted" <tedl at voyager.net> - Re: System Requirements for Rev
004 - Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at ins - Re: Error type - 192, now error type 3
005 - Jacqueline Landman Gay <j - Re: Features I like, and features I wish for
006 - Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at ins - Re: Digest use-revolution.v001.n139
007 - Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at ins - Re: Was HTML Text Files
008 - Scott Raney <raney at metaca - Re: System requirements for Rev
009 - Peter Reid <preid at reidit. - Rev 1.1 External Collection?
010 - Scott Rossi <scott at tactil - Re: Was HTML Text Files
011 - Terry Judd <tsj at unimelb.e - Re: Was HTML Text Files
012 - "Mark MacKenzie (Shaw)" < - Re: PC Control Shift right click on Application Overiew Window
013 - Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at ins - Re: Was HTML Text Files
014 - "Jeanne A. E. DeVoto" <je - Re: WindowsXP Documentation Translation Bug
015 - "Jeanne A. E. DeVoto" <je - Re: Animation Question
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From: "Mark MacKenzie (Shaw)" <markmac at shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: Was HTML Text Files
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 07:40:17 -0600
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Thanks for the feedback and suggestions. The training wheels are still on
but the axle nuts are loosing!
HTML fields are functioning as I need them too now. The background is
invisible as desired.
Am I correct in my assumption that a floating pallet stack window cannot
have an invisible background such that a larger stack beneath shows through?
This is where I originally went wrong and became confused.
Next question: Is it possible to protect resource media from copiers
without using the Valentina XCMD and its ability to hold blob references.
Is this possible within the basic Revolution framework? Reliable techniques
to achieve this are of great concern to us and our clients. Let me hasten
to add that my usual projects are resource rich and I use file references to
keep the stacks from bloating beyond reasonable limits.
With iShell I use a companion encrypted database product which handles all
resource file reference and storage within the encrypted database. A
beautiful and fast solution. (After looking carefully at Valentina I wonder
if "iPackager" is not based on the main Valentina engine.)
Regards
Mark MacKenzie
Chief Techno-Mage
Historical Treasures & Ancient Arts
www.digitalheritage.ca
markmac at shaw.ca
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From: Philip Usher <usher at iqcisp.com>
Subject: Re: Digest use-revolution.v001.n139
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 08:56:26 -0600
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on 11/22/01 5:45 AM, use-revolution-errors at www.runrev.com at
use-revolution-errors at www.runrev.com wrote:
>> I wish I had more control of overall Preference type stuff. Like
>> whether help windows open in front of other windows or you have to
>> drag them out. Like always colorizing scripts.
>
> I'm not completely sure what you mean by "help windows open in front of
> other windows" - they shouldn't open behind other windows, certainly - but
> if you can describe more completely I may be able to put it on the feature
> request list.
When you're in the script window and you open the Transcript Help window to
look up a term, it appears behind the script window where you can't see it.
It would be more helpful if it appeared in front of the script window.
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From: "Ted" <tedl at voyager.net>
Subject: Re: System Requirements for Rev
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 11:11:12 -0500
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On Wed, 21 Nov 2001, John Cuccio wrote in part:
>Since I was unable to get rev 1.1 development to run under Mac OS 7.5.5
>then will a stand alone work under this system.
>The Doc said 7.1 or higher.
>I would like my program to be able to run under 7.5.5 and up on 68k
machines.
John:
I recently built a simple three-card test standalone in Rev 1.1, and I tested
it on OS 7.5.5.
It crashed the system on any attempt to navigate from the opening card (an
identical standalone built in 1.0 worked fine on the same system). I reported
this to RunRev, and they are no doubt investigating this.
Ted
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From: Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com>
Subject: Re: Error type - 192, now error type 3
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 08:54:34 -0800
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At 8:54 AM -0800 11/22/01, Greg Wills wrote:
>Thanks Geoff
>Yep, QT 3 was the problem. QT 4.1 did the trick to solve the Error type 3 issue - that seemed to be associated with the visual effect call?
>Greg
Visual Effects sounds like a fair bet.
gc
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From: Jacqueline Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
Subject: Re: Features I like, and features I wish for
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 11:11:28 -0500
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At 2:15 PM -0800 11/18/2001, Shari wrote:
>
>Once I created a menu (menubar type menu), now I have to click on the
>Toolbox or Application Overview to have the full set of development
>menus. Otherwise, when I'm in the stack, the only menus up there are
>the ones I created. I wish that weren't so. Once I release it,
>obviously I want only my menus up there, but during development I
>want both sets of menus.
One thing I do sometimes is set the editMenus of the stack to true. On a
Mac, that puts the menu bar into the stack window (the way it will be on
a Windows machine.) You can see both sets of menus that way, and pull
down items from either. It also shows you how the stack will look to
Windows users.
--
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From: Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com>
Subject: Re: Digest use-revolution.v001.n139
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 10:09:56 -0800
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At 8:56 AM -0600 11/22/01, Philip Usher wrote:
>When you're in the script window and you open the Transcript Help window to
>look up a term, it appears behind the script window where you can't see it.
>It would be more helpful if it appeared in front of the script window.
You can change the help window to a palette as well. The drawback is that it shrinks in the process and displays only basic information on the topic.
One thing that I've found is that, because the script is a palette window, you can still interact with the help window -- navigate, find other commands, etc.
regards,
gc
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From: Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com>
Subject: Re: Was HTML Text Files
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 10:17:14 -0800
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References: <200111221339.IAA01496 at www.runrev.com>
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At 7:40 AM -0600 11/22/01, Mark MacKenzie (Shaw) wrote:
>Am I correct in my assumption that a floating pallet stack window cannot
>have an invisible background such that a larger stack beneath shows through?
>This is where I originally went wrong and became confused.
No, you can't (easily) make one window show through another. On the Mac, at least, there is a way to do this that doesn't have anything to do with Revolution. It involves using a special window type, and that's about all I know about it. There used to be a thing called Odo (the shape-shifting character on Star Trek: Deep Space 9) that would do this, and QuickTime 5 has it built in. I don't know how they're doing it.
>Next question: Is it possible to protect resource media from copiers
>without using the Valentina XCMD and its ability to hold blob references.
>Is this possible within the basic Revolution framework? Reliable techniques
>to achieve this are of great concern to us and our clients. Let me hasten
>to add that my usual projects are resource rich and I use file references to
>keep the stacks from bloating beyond reasonable limits.
>
>With iShell I use a companion encrypted database product which handles all
>resource file reference and storage within the encrypted database. A
>beautiful and fast solution. (After looking carefully at Valentina I wonder
>if "iPackager" is not based on the main Valentina engine.)
How serious do you want the protection to be? I don't think Revolution cares about the type or extension of a file, so it should be possible to have all the images, sounds, etc., show as generic to the file system. It wouldn't stop someone from importing them to Photoshop, though.
regards,
gc
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From: Scott Raney <raney at metacard.com>
Subject: Re: System requirements for Rev
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 12:11:36 -0700 (MST)
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On Wed, 21 Nov 2001 John Cuccio <jcuccio at pacbell.net> wrote:
> Subject: System requirements for Rev
>
> Since I was unable to get rev 1.1 development to run under Mac OS 7.5.5
> then will a stand alone work under this system.
>
> The Doc said 7.1 or higher.
This should still be the case, at least for 68K systems. I think PPC
systems all have to have 7.5 or later anyway.
> I would like my program to be able to run under 7.5.5 and up on 68k
> machines.
>
> I was putting off upgrading the OS on that computer. But today Rev 1
> froze two times and I lost about hours of work. Change HD with OS 8.1 so
> I can run rev 1.1. I was having problems with 1. & 7.5.5 but nothing
> this big. I think a system conflict somewhere. I am having to much fun
> programming in rev to try to fix it.
The PPC engine got broken on MacOS 7.X during the Carbon port (it was
making Appearance Manager calls that aren't there). This should be
fixed in the latest MetaCard engines. Not sure how this maps to RR
versions yet, but the two should be fully synced up in the very near
future (maybe RR 1.1.1?)
Regards,
Scott
********************************************************
Scott Raney raney at metacard.com http://www.metacard.com
MetaCard: You know, there's an easier way to do that...
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From: Peter Reid <preid at reidit.co.uk>
Subject: Rev 1.1 External Collection?
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 19:52:17 +0000
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Anyone worked out how to use the Externals Collection with Rev 1.1?
I thought the features of the External Collection were being
incorporated into Rev 1.1, but I can't see how and where.
In particular, I'm looking for the equivalent to "ext_openFile" which
will open a file in it's associated application. This works better
than the "launch" command since it takes care of whether the
application is open already.
I'd like to produce a Mac OS X version of my stack and the original
External Collection is not usable in this situation. Anyone found
how to do this?
Cheers
Peter
--
Peter Reid
Reid-IT Limited, Loughborough, Leics., UK
Tel: +44 (0)1509 268843 Fax: +44 (0)870 052 7576
E-mail: preid at reidit.co.uk
Web: http://www.reidit.co.uk
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From: Scott Rossi <scott at tactilemedia.com>
Subject: Re: Was HTML Text Files
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 12:11:15 -0800
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In-Reply-To: <200111221817.NAA07517 at www.runrev.com>
>> Am I correct in my assumption that a floating pallet stack window cannot
>> have an invisible background such that a larger stack beneath shows through?
>> This is where I originally went wrong and became confused.
>
> No, you can't (easily) make one window show through another. On the Mac, at
> least, there is a way to do this that doesn't have anything to do with
> Revolution. It involves using a special window type, and that's about all I
> know about it. There used to be a thing called Odo (the shape-shifting
> character on Star Trek: Deep Space 9) that would do this, and QuickTime 5 has
> it built in. I don't know how they're doing it.
There is no such thing as a true "transparent" window. You can create the
illusion of a window being transparent or translucent by taking a screenshot
of the window's current position, displaying the screenshot as the
background of the window and then drawing your interface elements on top of
the screenshot. The tough thing about this technique is that if the user
moves the window, you need to hide it before allowing the user to access it
since the screenshot must be updated to reflect the window's new position on
the desktop.
BTW, Odo is for creating custom shaped windows (read: non-rectangular) and
to date is pretty much the only way to get custom windows in MC Mac (unless
someone has written something new).
Regards,
Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
Email: scott at tactilemedia.com
Web: www.tactilemedia.com
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From: Terry Judd <tsj at unimelb.edu.au>
Subject: Re: Was HTML Text Files
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 09:15:18 +1100
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References: <200111222011.PAA09622 at www.runrev.com>
In-Reply-To: <200111222011.PAA09622 at www.runrev.com>
> >> Am I correct in my assumption that a floating pallet stack window cannot
>>> have an invisible background such that a larger stack beneath
>>>shows through?
>>> This is where I originally went wrong and became confused.
>>
>> No, you can't (easily) make one window show through another. On the Mac, at
>> least, there is a way to do this that doesn't have anything to do with
>> Revolution. It involves using a special window type, and that's about all I
>> know about it. There used to be a thing called Odo (the shape-shifting
>> character on Star Trek: Deep Space 9) that would do this, and
>>QuickTime 5 has
>> it built in. I don't know how they're doing it.
>
>There is no such thing as a true "transparent" window. You can create the
>illusion of a window being transparent or translucent by taking a screenshot
>of the window's current position, displaying the screenshot as the
>background of the window and then drawing your interface elements on top of
>the screenshot. The tough thing about this technique is that if the user
>moves the window, you need to hide it before allowing the user to access it
>since the screenshot must be updated to reflect the window's new position on
>the desktop.
I'm not sure how it does it but Audion (mp3 player from Panic
www.panic.com) has live draggable translucent windows that display
beautifully.
Terry...
>BTW, Odo is for creating custom shaped windows (read: non-rectangular) and
>to date is pretty much the only way to get custom windows in MC Mac (unless
>someone has written something new).
>
>Regards,
>
>Scott Rossi
>Creative Director
>
>Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
>Email: scott at tactilemedia.com
>Web: www.tactilemedia.com
--
___________________________________________________________________________
Dr Terry Judd
Lecturer in Instructional Design / Multimedia Developer
Biomedical Multimedia Unit
Faculty of Medicine, Dentistry & Health Sciences
The University of Melbourne
Email: t.judd at bmu.unimelb.edu.au
Phone: 03 9344 0187
Fax: 03 9344 4998
___________________________________________________________________________
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From: "Mark MacKenzie (Shaw)" <markmac at shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: PC Control Shift right click on Application Overiew Window
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 17:20:36 -0600
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Thanks Jeanne, I was afraid this behaviour presaged a really trashed
Revolution environment.
It is good to know that " if you were to, say,
accidentally delete objects from the App Overview, you could fix the
problem simply by quitting and relaunching Revolution."
Thanks Mark
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From: Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com>
Subject: Re: Was HTML Text Files
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 20:34:27 -0800
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At 12:11 PM -0800 11/22/01, Scott Rossi wrote:
>There is no such thing as a true "transparent" window.
For comparison, check out the things they're doing with QuickTime:
http://www.movtv.com/
gc
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From: "Jeanne A. E. DeVoto" <jeanne at runrev.com>
Subject: Re: WindowsXP Documentation Translation Bug
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 17:41:18 -0800
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References: <200111202024.PAA03770 at www.runrev.com>
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At 1:18 PM -0800 11/20/2001, Chipp Walters wrote:
>Dont' know if anyone has seen this before, but I thought I'd mention it. The
>Troubleshooting card in the Documentation Stack is somewhat corrupted. It
>appears that the apostrophe character has been replaced by some unusual
>other character. I believe I saw this on my Win98 machine as well... but I
>know it's here on my WinXP machine.
Thanks for the report.
What's going on is that the Troubleshooting list didn't get properly
converted to the ISO character set during the build of 1.1 (my fault). This
will be fixed in the next docs release, of course, but meanwhile here's a
quick fix:
1. Open to the Troubleshooting list in the docs stack and type this in the
message box (all one line):
set the completeContents of the mouseControl to macToISO(the
completeContents of the mouseControl)
2. Move the mouse pointer over the scrolling list and press Return to
execute the line. (To display the newly fixed text, you might have to set
the popup menu above the field to "filter" and type a few characters, then
backspace over it, or else go to another card and come back.)
3. When you're done, enter
save stack "revDocs"
into the message box and press Return.
--
Jeanne A. E. DeVoto ~ jeanne at runrev.com
http://www.runrev.com/
Runtime Revolution Limited - Power to the Developer!
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From: "Jeanne A. E. DeVoto" <jeanne at runrev.com>
Subject: Re: Animation Question
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 19:39:56 -0800
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In-Reply-To: <200111202024.PAA03770 at www.runrev.com>
At 12:18 PM -0800 11/20/2001, Magnus Stark wrote:
>I am wondering if Revolution can do controlled animations? With
>HyperCard we could make a controlled animation, such as have a button
>that I set a sequence of setting icon images to repeat through, and the
>sequence of icons to view through would be different depending on the
>situation (such as a man running change to walking) - however, the
>limitation was that since we're setting the icon image of the button, we
>were limited to black/white 32x32 icons or whatever the size was.
I think Scott's already discussed animated GIF control, but in answer to
this part of your question, Rev supports icons of any size and full color,
so you can do this sort of animation with fewer limitations in Rev.
Revolution icons aren't ICON resources [since those are Mac-specific];
instead, an icon is just an image. You set the icon property to the image
name or ID to change the icon.
--
Jeanne A. E. DeVoto ~ jeanne at runrev.com
http://www.runrev.com/
Runtime Revolution Limited - Power to the Developer!
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