From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com Fri Mar 1 11:05:59 2024 From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2024 16:05:59 +0000 Subject: sideloading updates to mobile In-Reply-To: References: <9F0E2C59-27FD-49A8-AA22-DA8F6E9D080A@midwestcoastmedia.com>

<18dcdac7158.276f.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com> <18df2d876e8.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com> <18df67caf58.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com> <461C5D1D-68DB-44E7-8E78-41757DAA4079@iotecdigital.com> <18dfadb5658.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <6A0FA0E0-A86E-406D-BB5A-79712ABD6BAE@iotecdigital.com> Hell that means EVERYTHING is sandboxed! I need to go buy a pail and shovel! Bob S > On Mar 1, 2024, at 8:31 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote: > > Both library and documents are sandboxed, I think all the listed folders are. I mostly use documents so that I have the same file paths on both iOS and Android since I generally need to build for both. But either one will work. > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > On March 1, 2024 10:08:15 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote: > >> Isn’t the Library sandboxed? >> >> Bob S >> >> >> On Feb 29, 2024, at 6:35 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode wrote: >> >> any reason to store in documents instead of in library? >> it seems like there might be less of a chance of the user misusing the >> Files app to break the app. >> >> On Thu, Feb 29, 2024 at 5:32 PM Mike Kerner > >> wrote: >> >> ah. that's a better way of handling this. i was going to have the app >> check the documents folder for updates, before loading a stack, but if i >> keep the source stacks, there, it will work better. >> >> On Thu, Feb 29, 2024 at 3:10 PM J. Landman Gay via use-livecode < >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: >> >> You can't add or change anything inside the app bundle so downloaded >> files >> have to go in specialFolderPath("documents"). Copy the originals from the >> resources folder to the documents folder on first launch so you always >> have >> a known file path location. Any file in documents will be overwritten >> with >> the new download if the file name is the same. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Fri Mar 1 11:45:22 2024 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2024 10:45:22 -0600 Subject: sideloading updates to mobile In-Reply-To: <6A0FA0E0-A86E-406D-BB5A-79712ABD6BAE@iotecdigital.com> References: <9F0E2C59-27FD-49A8-AA22-DA8F6E9D080A@midwestcoastmedia.com>

<18dcdac7158.276f.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com> <18df2d876e8.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com> <18df67caf58.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com> <461C5D1D-68DB-44E7-8E78-41757DAA4079@iotecdigital.com> <18dfadb5658.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com> <6A0FA0E0-A86E-406D-BB5A-79712ABD6BAE@iotecdigital.com> Message-ID: <18dfae7f4d0.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com> Right. In spite of Android's "external documents" option, which I needed, it's still in the sandbox. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com On March 1, 2024 10:42:04 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote: > Hell that means EVERYTHING is sandboxed! I need to go buy a pail and shovel! > > Bob S > > >> On Mar 1, 2024, at 8:31 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode >> wrote: >> >> Both library and documents are sandboxed, I think all the listed folders >> are. I mostly use documents so that I have the same file paths on both iOS >> and Android since I generally need to build for both. But either one will work. >> >> -- >> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com >> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com >> On March 1, 2024 10:08:15 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode >> wrote: >> >>> Isnt the Library sandboxed? >>> >>> Bob S >>> >>> >>> On Feb 29, 2024, at 6:35 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode >>> wrote: >>> >>> any reason to store in documents instead of in library? >>> it seems like there might be less of a chance of the user misusing the >>> Files app to break the app. >>> >>> On Thu, Feb 29, 2024 at 5:32PM Mike Kerner >>> > >>> wrote: >>> >>> ah. that's a better way of handling this. i was going to have the app >>> check the documents folder for updates, before loading a stack, but if i >>> keep the source stacks, there, it will work better. >>> >>> On Thu, Feb 29, 2024 at 3:10PM J. Landman Gay via use-livecode < >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: >>> >>> You can't add or change anything inside the app bundle so downloaded >>> files >>> have to go in specialFolderPath("documents"). Copy the originals from the >>> resources folder to the documents folder on first launch so you always >>> have >>> a known file path location. Any file in documents will be overwritten >>> with >>> the new download if the file name is the same. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com Fri Mar 1 11:48:25 2024 From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2024 16:48:25 +0000 Subject: sideloading updates to mobile In-Reply-To: <18dfae7f4d0.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com> References: <9F0E2C59-27FD-49A8-AA22-DA8F6E9D080A@midwestcoastmedia.com>

Message-ID: <18dfb34f3c0.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com> A quick test would be to see if Files can access the private documents of any installed app. I could try it if I didn't have to steal my husband's phone, which is tricky business. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com On March 1, 2024 11:40:09 AM Mike Kerner via use-livecode wrote: > i'm going to have to mess with this, some more. i didn't think documents is > sandboxed. > > > On Fri, Mar 1, 2024 at 11:49AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode < > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > >> They should stop calling it a Sandbox then. Its the entire beach! LOL! >> >> Bob S >> >> >> On Mar 1, 2024, at 8:45 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode < >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: >> >> Right. In spite of Android's "external documents" option, which I needed, >> it's still in the sandbox. >> >> -- >> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com> jacque at hyperactivesw.com> >> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com< >> http://www.hyperactivesw.com/> >> On March 1, 2024 10:42:04 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode < >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > > > -- > On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth > On the second day, God created the oceans. > On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, > and did a little diving. > And God said, "This is good." > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com Fri Mar 1 13:22:54 2024 From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2024 13:22:54 -0500 Subject: sideloading updates to mobile In-Reply-To: <18dfb34f3c0.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com> References: <9F0E2C59-27FD-49A8-AA22-DA8F6E9D080A@midwestcoastmedia.com>

<18dfb34f3c0.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: the latest pieces that i found on the topic said that files can access the documents folder (but not library), and that it is available by other means, without jailbreaking. thus, i need to screw around with this, some more. if it's unavailable, then great, no need for library. in The Before Times, documents was isolated, but i thought that changed. On Fri, Mar 1, 2024 at 1:10 PM J. Landman Gay via use-livecode < use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > A quick test would be to see if Files can access the private documents of > any installed app. I could try it if I didn't have to steal my husband's > phone, which is tricky business. > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > On March 1, 2024 11:40:09 AM Mike Kerner via use-livecode > wrote: > > > i'm going to have to mess with this, some more. i didn't think documents > is > > sandboxed. > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 1, 2024 at 11:49 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode < > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > >> They should stop calling it a Sandbox then. It’s the entire beach! LOL! > >> > >> Bob S > >> > >> > >> On Mar 1, 2024, at 8:45 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode < > >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > >> > >> Right. In spite of Android's "external documents" option, which I > needed, > >> it's still in the sandbox. > >> > >> -- > >> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com >> jacque at hyperactivesw.com> > >> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com< > >> http://www.hyperactivesw.com/> > >> On March 1, 2024 10:42:04 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode < > >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> use-livecode mailing list > >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > >> subscription preferences: > >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > >> > > > > > > -- > > On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth > > On the second day, God created the oceans. > > On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, > > and did a little diving. > > And God said, "This is good." > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, "This is good." From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Fri Mar 1 18:37:58 2024 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2024 17:37:58 -0600 Subject: sideloading updates to mobile In-Reply-To: References: <9F0E2C59-27FD-49A8-AA22-DA8F6E9D080A@midwestcoastmedia.com>

<18dfb34f3c0.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <18dfc61b008.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com> Let me know if you find out. I'm still running in the before times. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com On March 1, 2024 12:25:21 PM Mike Kerner via use-livecode wrote: > the latest pieces that i found on the topic said that files can access the > documents folder (but not library), and that it is available by other > means, without jailbreaking. > thus, i need to screw around with this, some more. > if it's unavailable, then great, no need for library. > in The Before Times, documents was isolated, but i thought that changed. > > On Fri, Mar 1, 2024 at 1:10PM J. Landman Gay via use-livecode < > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > >> A quick test would be to see if Files can access the private documents of >> any installed app. I could try it if I didn't have to steal my husband's >> phone, which is tricky business. >> >> -- >> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com >> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com >> On March 1, 2024 11:40:09 AM Mike Kerner via use-livecode >> wrote: >> >> > i'm going to have to mess with this, some more. i didn't think documents >> is >> > sandboxed. >> > >> > >> > On Fri, Mar 1, 2024 at 11:49AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode < >> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: >> > >> >> They should stop calling it a Sandbox then. Its the entire beach! LOL! >> >> >> >> Bob S >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mar 1, 2024, at 8:45 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode < >> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> Right. In spite of Android's "external documents" option, which I >> needed, >> >> it's still in the sandbox. >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com> >> jacque at hyperactivesw.com> >> >> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com< >> >> http://www.hyperactivesw.com/> >> >> On March 1, 2024 10:42:04 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode < >> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> use-livecode mailing list >> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> >> subscription preferences: >> >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> >> >> > >> > >> > -- >> > On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth >> > On the second day, God created the oceans. >> > On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, >> > and did a little diving. >> > And God said, "This is good." >> > _______________________________________________ >> > use-livecode mailing list >> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> > subscription preferences: >> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > > > -- > On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth > On the second day, God created the oceans. > On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, > and did a little diving. > And God said, "This is good." > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com Sat Mar 2 12:53:08 2024 From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner) Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2024 12:53:08 -0500 Subject: sideloading updates to mobile In-Reply-To: <18dfc61b008.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com> References: <9F0E2C59-27FD-49A8-AA22-DA8F6E9D080A@midwestcoastmedia.com>

<18dfb34f3c0.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com> <18dfc61b008.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: looks like specialfolderpath("documents") is sandboxed, after all. apparently there is another Documents folder, that lc isn't accessing, that is not. On Fri, Mar 1, 2024 at 6:39 PM J. Landman Gay via use-livecode < use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > Let me know if you find out. I'm still running in the before times. > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > On March 1, 2024 12:25:21 PM Mike Kerner via use-livecode > wrote: > > > the latest pieces that i found on the topic said that files can access > the > > documents folder (but not library), and that it is available by other > > means, without jailbreaking. > > thus, i need to screw around with this, some more. > > if it's unavailable, then great, no need for library. > > in The Before Times, documents was isolated, but i thought that changed. > > > > On Fri, Mar 1, 2024 at 1:10 PM J. Landman Gay via use-livecode < > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > >> A quick test would be to see if Files can access the private documents > of > >> any installed app. I could try it if I didn't have to steal my husband's > >> phone, which is tricky business. > >> > >> -- > >> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > >> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > >> On March 1, 2024 11:40:09 AM Mike Kerner via use-livecode > >> wrote: > >> > >> > i'm going to have to mess with this, some more. i didn't think > documents > >> is > >> > sandboxed. > >> > > >> > > >> > On Fri, Mar 1, 2024 at 11:49 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode < > >> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > >> > > >> >> They should stop calling it a Sandbox then. It’s the entire beach! > LOL! > >> >> > >> >> Bob S > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> On Mar 1, 2024, at 8:45 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode < > >> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> Right. In spite of Android's "external documents" option, which I > >> needed, > >> >> it's still in the sandbox. > >> >> > >> >> -- > >> >> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com >> >> jacque at hyperactivesw.com> > >> >> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com< > >> >> http://www.hyperactivesw.com/> > >> >> On March 1, 2024 10:42:04 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode < > >> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> use-livecode mailing list > >> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > >> >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > >> >> subscription preferences: > >> >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth > >> > On the second day, God created the oceans. > >> > On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, > >> > and did a little diving. > >> > And God said, "This is good." > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > use-livecode mailing list > >> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > >> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > >> > subscription preferences: > >> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> use-livecode mailing list > >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > >> subscription preferences: > >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > >> > > > > > > -- > > On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth > > On the second day, God created the oceans. > > On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, > > and did a little diving. > > And God said, "This is good." > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, "This is good." From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sat Mar 2 13:06:41 2024 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2024 12:06:41 -0600 Subject: sideloading updates to mobile In-Reply-To: References: <9F0E2C59-27FD-49A8-AA22-DA8F6E9D080A@midwestcoastmedia.com>

<18dfb34f3c0.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com> <18dfc61b008.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <18e0058c368.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com> Thanks for checking, now I don't have to change anything. Android also has both a sandboxed documents folder and a public one. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com On March 2, 2024 11:55:52 AM Mike Kerner via use-livecode wrote: > looks like specialfolderpath("documents") is sandboxed, after all. > apparently there is another Documents folder, that lc isn't accessing, that > is not. > > On Fri, Mar 1, 2024 at 6:39PM J. Landman Gay via use-livecode < > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > >> Let me know if you find out. I'm still running in the before times. >> >> -- >> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com >> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com >> On March 1, 2024 12:25:21 PM Mike Kerner via use-livecode >> wrote: >> >> > the latest pieces that i found on the topic said that files can access >> the >> > documents folder (but not library), and that it is available by other >> > means, without jailbreaking. >> > thus, i need to screw around with this, some more. >> > if it's unavailable, then great, no need for library. >> > in The Before Times, documents was isolated, but i thought that changed. >> > >> > On Fri, Mar 1, 2024 at 1:10PM J. Landman Gay via use-livecode < >> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: >> > >> >> A quick test would be to see if Files can access the private documents >> of >> >> any installed app. I could try it if I didn't have to steal my husband's >> >> phone, which is tricky business. >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com >> >> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com >> >> On March 1, 2024 11:40:09 AM Mike Kerner via use-livecode >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> > i'm going to have to mess with this, some more. i didn't think >> documents >> >> is >> >> > sandboxed. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > On Fri, Mar 1, 2024 at 11:49AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode < >> >> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> They should stop calling it a Sandbox then. Its the entire beach! >> LOL! >> >> >> >> >> >> Bob S >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mar 1, 2024, at 8:45 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode < >> >> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> Right. In spite of Android's "external documents" option, which I >> >> needed, >> >> >> it's still in the sandbox. >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com> >> >> jacque at hyperactivesw.com> >> >> >> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com< >> >> >> http://www.hyperactivesw.com/> >> >> >> On March 1, 2024 10:42:04 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode < >> >> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> use-livecode mailing list >> >> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> >> >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> >> >> subscription preferences: >> >> >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > -- >> >> > On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth >> >> > On the second day, God created the oceans. >> >> > On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, >> >> > and did a little diving. >> >> > And God said, "This is good." >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > use-livecode mailing list >> >> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> >> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> >> > subscription preferences: >> >> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> use-livecode mailing list >> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> >> subscription preferences: >> >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> >> >> > >> > >> > -- >> > On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth >> > On the second day, God created the oceans. >> > On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, >> > and did a little diving. >> > And God said, "This is good." >> > _______________________________________________ >> > use-livecode mailing list >> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> > subscription preferences: >> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > > > -- > On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth > On the second day, God created the oceans. > On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, > and did a little diving. > And God said, "This is good." > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com Sat Mar 2 19:22:12 2024 From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner) Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2024 19:22:12 -0500 Subject: sideloading updates to mobile In-Reply-To: <18e0058c368.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com> References: <9F0E2C59-27FD-49A8-AA22-DA8F6E9D080A@midwestcoastmedia.com>

<18dfb34f3c0.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com> <18dfc61b008.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com> <18e0058c368.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: fyi, to anyone else coming to thie thread, you can't use revCopyFolder or revCopyFile to move your bundle stacks/files to the documents folder b/c both commands require a shell, and ios doesn't have shell support. On Sat, Mar 2, 2024 at 1:07 PM J. Landman Gay via use-livecode < use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > Thanks for checking, now I don't have to change anything. Android also has > both a sandboxed documents folder and a public one. > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > On March 2, 2024 11:55:52 AM Mike Kerner via use-livecode > wrote: > > > looks like specialfolderpath("documents") is sandboxed, after all. > > apparently there is another Documents folder, that lc isn't accessing, > that > > is not. > > > > On Fri, Mar 1, 2024 at 6:39 PM J. Landman Gay via use-livecode < > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > >> Let me know if you find out. I'm still running in the before times. > >> > >> -- > >> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > >> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > >> On March 1, 2024 12:25:21 PM Mike Kerner via use-livecode > >> wrote: > >> > >> > the latest pieces that i found on the topic said that files can access > >> the > >> > documents folder (but not library), and that it is available by other > >> > means, without jailbreaking. > >> > thus, i need to screw around with this, some more. > >> > if it's unavailable, then great, no need for library. > >> > in The Before Times, documents was isolated, but i thought that > changed. > >> > > >> > On Fri, Mar 1, 2024 at 1:10 PM J. Landman Gay via use-livecode < > >> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > >> > > >> >> A quick test would be to see if Files can access the private > documents > >> of > >> >> any installed app. I could try it if I didn't have to steal my > husband's > >> >> phone, which is tricky business. > >> >> > >> >> -- > >> >> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > >> >> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > >> >> On March 1, 2024 11:40:09 AM Mike Kerner via use-livecode > >> >> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> > i'm going to have to mess with this, some more. i didn't think > >> documents > >> >> is > >> >> > sandboxed. > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > On Fri, Mar 1, 2024 at 11:49 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode < > >> >> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> >> They should stop calling it a Sandbox then. It’s the entire beach! > >> LOL! > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Bob S > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> On Mar 1, 2024, at 8:45 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode < > >> >> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Right. In spite of Android's "external documents" option, which I > >> >> needed, > >> >> >> it's still in the sandbox. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> -- > >> >> >> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com >> >> >> jacque at hyperactivesw.com> > >> >> >> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com< > >> >> >> http://www.hyperactivesw.com/> > >> >> >> On March 1, 2024 10:42:04 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode < > >> >> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> >> use-livecode mailing list > >> >> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > >> >> >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > >> >> >> subscription preferences: > >> >> >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > >> >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > -- > >> >> > On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth > >> >> > On the second day, God created the oceans. > >> >> > On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, > >> >> > and did a little diving. > >> >> > And God said, "This is good." > >> >> > _______________________________________________ > >> >> > use-livecode mailing list > >> >> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > >> >> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > >> >> > subscription preferences: > >> >> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> use-livecode mailing list > >> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > >> >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > >> >> subscription preferences: > >> >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth > >> > On the second day, God created the oceans. > >> > On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, > >> > and did a little diving. > >> > And God said, "This is good." > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > use-livecode mailing list > >> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > >> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > >> > subscription preferences: > >> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> use-livecode mailing list > >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > >> subscription preferences: > >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > >> > > > > > > -- > > On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth > > On the second day, God created the oceans. > > On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, > > and did a little diving. > > And God said, "This is good." > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, "This is good." From dan at clearvisiontech.com Tue Mar 5 11:51:52 2024 From: dan at clearvisiontech.com (Dan Friedman) Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2024 16:51:52 +0000 Subject: Cursor Placement in MobileControl In-Reply-To: References: <9F0E2C59-27FD-49A8-AA22-DA8F6E9D080A@midwestcoastmedia.com>

Message-ID: Panos, Thank you for the suggestion! That worked out well! For anyone interested, here’s the snippet for formatting a phone number as you type in a mobile native field control: //this assumes that the mobileControl type for Android is “multiline” and the mobileSetKeyboardType has been set to “email” on inputTextChanged put mobileControlTarget() into pField put mobileControlGet(pField,"text") into pText if pField = "phoneNumber" then put "" into fText put numbersOnly(pText) into pText if char 1 of pText = "1" then put "" into fText mobileControlSet "phoneNumber","text",fText androidGoLastChar "phoneNumber",fText put fText into dataEntered["phone"] exit inputTextChanged end if if the number of chars in pText < 4 then put pText into fText mobileControlSet "phoneNumber","text",fText androidGoLastChar "phoneNumber",fText else if (the number of chars in pText > 3) then put "(" & char 1 to 3 of pText & ")" into char 1 to 3 of fText put " " & char 4 to 6 of pText after fText end if if the number of chars in pText > 6 then put "-" & char 7 to 10 of pText after fText end if mobileControlSet "phoneNumber","text",fText androidGoLastChar "phoneNumber",fText end if end if end inputTextChanged function numbersOnly pNum //returns only the numbers in pNum put "" into fNum repeat for each char c in pNum if isNumber(c) then put c after fNum end if end repeat return fNum end numbersOnly on androidGoLastChar mControl,xText if ("Android" is in the platform) then mobileControlSet mControl,"selectedRange",(the number of chars in xText+1,0) end if end androidGoLastChar Thank you! Dan Friedman CEO, ClearVision Technologies, LLC Voice: 909/484-2052 http://www.clearvisiontech.com From: use-livecode on behalf of panagiotis merakos via use-livecode Date: Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 9:45 AM To: How to use LiveCode Cc: panagiotis merakos Subject: Re: Cursor Placement in MobileControl Hello Dan, I take it you are formatting the text in inputTextChanged? Unfortunately yes, on Android calling mobileControlSet "phoneNumber","text", pText puts the cursor in the beginning of the text: https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=24055 RE using the selectedRange with mobile native controls, I think this property is supported only on multiline input fields. So I suppose you could make the fields to be multiline and give it a try. Kind regards, Panos -- On Tue, 5 Mar 2024 at 18:53, Dan Friedman via use-livecode < use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > I am trying to create a field on mobile (iOS and Android) that will format > a phone number as your type (client request). I am able to do this on iOS > as the command: mobileControlSet "phoneNumber","text",pText puts the cursor > AFTER the text so the user can simply continue typing. But, on Android, > the cursor is placed at the beginning of the text after the > mobileControlSet command is called. Is there a way to set the position of > the cursor on a native mobile text field? > > I did notice that the Android Native Field widget has a selectedRange > property. Can I use this property on a native Android control? And, can I > set the selectedRange to “16,15” to set the cursor location, not select > text? > > Why not just use the Android Native Field widget, you ask? I will if I > have to… but I prefer to use the native control as it is cross-platform and > I don’t need to case out for which platform we’re on. You would need to > create the control and hide the widget for iOS and show the widget for > Android. I’ll also have to case out the setting and getting of the text > as they have different methods. I’ll do this if I have to, but I’d rather > have a single code set and not have to manage/update separate methods. I > would use the standard LC field, but client wants the standard > hold->popupMenu->paste command to work. > > Any thoughts or ideas? > > -Dan > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net Wed Mar 6 13:13:51 2024 From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2024 13:13:51 -0500 Subject: Cursor Placement in MobileControl In-Reply-To: References: <9F0E2C59-27FD-49A8-AA22-DA8F6E9D080A@midwestcoastmedia.com>

Message-ID: <003a01da6ff2$0e632bc0$2b298340$@net> Dan, Nice... thanks! Ralph DiMola IT Director Evergreen Information Services rdimola at evergreeninfo.net -----Original Message----- From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Dan Friedman via use-livecode Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2024 11:15 AM To: How to use LiveCode Cc: Dan Friedman Subject: Re: Cursor Placement in MobileControl Panos, Thank you for the suggestion! That worked out well! For anyone interested, here's the snippet for formatting a phone number as you type in a mobile native field control: //this assumes that the mobileControl type for Android is "multiline" and the mobileSetKeyboardType has been set to "email" on inputTextChanged put mobileControlTarget() into pField put mobileControlGet(pField,"text") into pText if pField = "phoneNumber" then put "" into fText put numbersOnly(pText) into pText if char 1 of pText = "1" then put "" into fText mobileControlSet "phoneNumber","text",fText androidGoLastChar "phoneNumber",fText put fText into dataEntered["phone"] exit inputTextChanged end if if the number of chars in pText < 4 then put pText into fText mobileControlSet "phoneNumber","text",fText androidGoLastChar "phoneNumber",fText else if (the number of chars in pText > 3) then put "(" & char 1 to 3 of pText & ")" into char 1 to 3 of fText put " " & char 4 to 6 of pText after fText end if if the number of chars in pText > 6 then put "-" & char 7 to 10 of pText after fText end if mobileControlSet "phoneNumber","text",fText androidGoLastChar "phoneNumber",fText end if end if end inputTextChanged function numbersOnly pNum //returns only the numbers in pNum put "" into fNum repeat for each char c in pNum if isNumber(c) then put c after fNum end if end repeat return fNum end numbersOnly on androidGoLastChar mControl,xText if ("Android" is in the platform) then mobileControlSet mControl,"selectedRange",(the number of chars in xText+1,0) end if end androidGoLastChar Thank you! Dan Friedman CEO, ClearVision Technologies, LLC Voice: 909/484-2052 http://www.clearvisiontech.com From: use-livecode on behalf of panagiotis merakos via use-livecode Date: Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 9:45 AM To: How to use LiveCode Cc: panagiotis merakos Subject: Re: Cursor Placement in MobileControl Hello Dan, I take it you are formatting the text in inputTextChanged? Unfortunately yes, on Android calling mobileControlSet "phoneNumber","text", pText puts the cursor in the beginning of the text: https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=24055 RE using the selectedRange with mobile native controls, I think this property is supported only on multiline input fields. So I suppose you could make the fields to be multiline and give it a try. Kind regards, Panos -- On Tue, 5 Mar 2024 at 18:53, Dan Friedman via use-livecode < use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > I am trying to create a field on mobile (iOS and Android) that will > format a phone number as your type (client request). I am able to do > this on iOS as the command: mobileControlSet > "phoneNumber","text",pText puts the cursor AFTER the text so the user > can simply continue typing. But, on Android, the cursor is placed at the beginning of the text after the > mobileControlSet command is called. Is there a way to set the position of > the cursor on a native mobile text field? > > I did notice that the Android Native Field widget has a selectedRange > property. Can I use this property on a native Android control? And, > can I set the selectedRange to "16,15" to set the cursor location, not > select text? > > Why not just use the Android Native Field widget, you ask? I will if I > have to. but I prefer to use the native control as it is > cross-platform and I don't need to case out for which platform we're > on. You would need to create the control and hide the widget for iOS > and show the widget for Android. I'll also have to case out the > setting and getting of the text as they have different methods. I'll do this if I have to, but I'd rather > have a single code set and not have to manage/update separate methods. I > would use the standard LC field, but client wants the standard > hold->popupMenu->paste command to work. > > Any thoughts or ideas? > > -Dan > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com Wed Mar 6 14:06:20 2024 From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2024 19:06:20 +0000 Subject: Cursor Placement in MobileControl In-Reply-To: <003a01da6ff2$0e632bc0$2b298340$@net> References: <9F0E2C59-27FD-49A8-AA22-DA8F6E9D080A@midwestcoastmedia.com>

<003a01da6ff2$0e632bc0$2b298340$@net> Message-ID: <87116489-C0CA-40A7-97BA-AC158EBE38FE@iotecdigital.com> That is damn handy. That could be massaged to work with a Livecode field too. I’m going to work on that. Bob S > On Mar 6, 2024, at 10:13 AM, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode wrote: > > Dan, > > Nice... thanks! > > Ralph DiMola > IT Director > Evergreen Information Services > rdimola at evergreeninfo.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf > Of Dan Friedman via use-livecode > Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2024 11:15 AM > To: How to use LiveCode > Cc: Dan Friedman > Subject: Re: Cursor Placement in MobileControl > > Panos, > > Thank you for the suggestion! That worked out well! For anyone > interested, here's the snippet for formatting a phone number as you type in > a mobile native field control: > > //this assumes that the mobileControl type for Android is "multiline" and > the mobileSetKeyboardType has been set to "email" > > on inputTextChanged > put mobileControlTarget() into pField > put mobileControlGet(pField,"text") into pText > > if pField = "phoneNumber" then > put "" into fText > put numbersOnly(pText) into pText > > if char 1 of pText = "1" then > put "" into fText > mobileControlSet "phoneNumber","text",fText > androidGoLastChar "phoneNumber",fText > put fText into dataEntered["phone"] > exit inputTextChanged > end if > > if the number of chars in pText < 4 then > put pText into fText > mobileControlSet "phoneNumber","text",fText > androidGoLastChar "phoneNumber",fText > else > if (the number of chars in pText > 3) then > put "(" & char 1 to 3 of pText & ")" into char 1 to 3 of fText > put " " & char 4 to 6 of pText after fText > end if > if the number of chars in pText > 6 then > put "-" & char 7 to 10 of pText after fText > end if > > mobileControlSet "phoneNumber","text",fText > androidGoLastChar "phoneNumber",fText > end if > end if > end inputTextChanged > > function numbersOnly pNum > //returns only the numbers in pNum > put "" into fNum > repeat for each char c in pNum > if isNumber(c) then > put c after fNum > end if > end repeat > > return fNum > end numbersOnly > > on androidGoLastChar mControl,xText > if ("Android" is in the platform) then > mobileControlSet mControl,"selectedRange",(the number of chars in > xText+1,0) > end if > end androidGoLastChar > > > Thank you! > > Dan Friedman > CEO, ClearVision Technologies, LLC > Voice: 909/484-2052 > http://www.clearvisiontech.com > > > From: use-livecode on behalf of > panagiotis merakos via use-livecode > Date: Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 9:45 AM > To: How to use LiveCode > Cc: panagiotis merakos > Subject: Re: Cursor Placement in MobileControl Hello Dan, > > I take it you are formatting the text in inputTextChanged? > > Unfortunately yes, on Android calling > > mobileControlSet "phoneNumber","text", pText > > puts the cursor in the beginning of the text: > > https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=24055 > > RE using the selectedRange with mobile native controls, I think this > property is supported only on multiline input fields. So I suppose you could > make the fields to be multiline and give it a try. > > Kind regards, > Panos > -- > > On Tue, 5 Mar 2024 at 18:53, Dan Friedman via use-livecode < > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > >> I am trying to create a field on mobile (iOS and Android) that will >> format a phone number as your type (client request). I am able to do >> this on iOS as the command: mobileControlSet >> "phoneNumber","text",pText puts the cursor AFTER the text so the user >> can simply continue typing. But, on Android, the cursor is placed at the > beginning of the text after the >> mobileControlSet command is called. Is there a way to set the position > of >> the cursor on a native mobile text field? >> >> I did notice that the Android Native Field widget has a selectedRange >> property. Can I use this property on a native Android control? And, >> can I set the selectedRange to "16,15" to set the cursor location, not >> select text? >> >> Why not just use the Android Native Field widget, you ask? I will if I >> have to. but I prefer to use the native control as it is >> cross-platform and I don't need to case out for which platform we're >> on. You would need to create the control and hide the widget for iOS >> and show the widget for Android. I'll also have to case out the >> setting and getting of the text as they have different methods. I'll do > this if I have to, but I'd rather >> have a single code set and not have to manage/update separate methods. I >> would use the standard LC field, but client wants the standard >> hold->popupMenu->paste command to work. >> >> Any thoughts or ideas? >> >> -Dan >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com Wed Mar 6 14:11:48 2024 From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2024 14:11:48 -0500 Subject: Cursor Placement in MobileControl In-Reply-To: <87116489-C0CA-40A7-97BA-AC158EBE38FE@iotecdigital.com> References: <9F0E2C59-27FD-49A8-AA22-DA8F6E9D080A@midwestcoastmedia.com>

<003a01da6ff2$0e632bc0$2b298340$@net> <87116489-C0CA-40A7-97BA-AC158EBE38FE@iotecdigital.com> Message-ID: it would be nice to have a universal field widget, and be able to have this sort of behavior be part of it... On Wed, Mar 6, 2024 at 2:07 PM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode < use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > That is damn handy. That could be massaged to work with a Livecode field > too. I’m going to work on that. > > Bob S > > > > On Mar 6, 2024, at 10:13 AM, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode < > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > > Dan, > > > > Nice... thanks! > > > > Ralph DiMola > > IT Director > > Evergreen Information Services > > rdimola at evergreeninfo.net > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On > Behalf > > Of Dan Friedman via use-livecode > > Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2024 11:15 AM > > To: How to use LiveCode > > Cc: Dan Friedman > > Subject: Re: Cursor Placement in MobileControl > > > > Panos, > > > > Thank you for the suggestion! That worked out well! For anyone > > interested, here's the snippet for formatting a phone number as you type > in > > a mobile native field control: > > > > //this assumes that the mobileControl type for Android is "multiline" and > > the mobileSetKeyboardType has been set to "email" > > > > on inputTextChanged > > put mobileControlTarget() into pField > > put mobileControlGet(pField,"text") into pText > > > > if pField = "phoneNumber" then > > put "" into fText > > put numbersOnly(pText) into pText > > > > if char 1 of pText = "1" then > > put "" into fText > > mobileControlSet "phoneNumber","text",fText > > androidGoLastChar "phoneNumber",fText > > put fText into dataEntered["phone"] > > exit inputTextChanged > > end if > > > > if the number of chars in pText < 4 then > > put pText into fText > > mobileControlSet "phoneNumber","text",fText > > androidGoLastChar "phoneNumber",fText > > else > > if (the number of chars in pText > 3) then > > put "(" & char 1 to 3 of pText & ")" into char 1 to 3 of fText > > put " " & char 4 to 6 of pText after fText > > end if > > if the number of chars in pText > 6 then > > put "-" & char 7 to 10 of pText after fText > > end if > > > > mobileControlSet "phoneNumber","text",fText > > androidGoLastChar "phoneNumber",fText > > end if > > end if > > end inputTextChanged > > > > function numbersOnly pNum > > //returns only the numbers in pNum > > put "" into fNum > > repeat for each char c in pNum > > if isNumber(c) then > > put c after fNum > > end if > > end repeat > > > > return fNum > > end numbersOnly > > > > on androidGoLastChar mControl,xText > > if ("Android" is in the platform) then > > mobileControlSet mControl,"selectedRange",(the number of chars in > > xText+1,0) > > end if > > end androidGoLastChar > > > > > > Thank you! > > > > Dan Friedman > > CEO, ClearVision Technologies, LLC > > Voice: 909/484-2052 > > http://www.clearvisiontech.com > > > > > > From: use-livecode on behalf of > > panagiotis merakos via use-livecode > > Date: Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 9:45 AM > > To: How to use LiveCode > > Cc: panagiotis merakos > > Subject: Re: Cursor Placement in MobileControl Hello Dan, > > > > I take it you are formatting the text in inputTextChanged? > > > > Unfortunately yes, on Android calling > > > > mobileControlSet "phoneNumber","text", pText > > > > puts the cursor in the beginning of the text: > > > > https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=24055 > > > > RE using the selectedRange with mobile native controls, I think this > > property is supported only on multiline input fields. So I suppose you > could > > make the fields to be multiline and give it a try. > > > > Kind regards, > > Panos > > -- > > > > On Tue, 5 Mar 2024 at 18:53, Dan Friedman via use-livecode < > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > >> I am trying to create a field on mobile (iOS and Android) that will > >> format a phone number as your type (client request). I am able to do > >> this on iOS as the command: mobileControlSet > >> "phoneNumber","text",pText puts the cursor AFTER the text so the user > >> can simply continue typing. But, on Android, the cursor is placed at > the > > beginning of the text after the > >> mobileControlSet command is called. Is there a way to set the position > > of > >> the cursor on a native mobile text field? > >> > >> I did notice that the Android Native Field widget has a selectedRange > >> property. Can I use this property on a native Android control? And, > >> can I set the selectedRange to "16,15" to set the cursor location, not > >> select text? > >> > >> Why not just use the Android Native Field widget, you ask? I will if I > >> have to. but I prefer to use the native control as it is > >> cross-platform and I don't need to case out for which platform we're > >> on. You would need to create the control and hide the widget for iOS > >> and show the widget for Android. I'll also have to case out the > >> setting and getting of the text as they have different methods. I'll > do > > this if I have to, but I'd rather > >> have a single code set and not have to manage/update separate methods. > I > >> would use the standard LC field, but client wants the standard > >> hold->popupMenu->paste command to work. > >> > >> Any thoughts or ideas? > >> > >> -Dan > >> _______________________________________________ > >> use-livecode mailing list > >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > >> subscription preferences: > >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription > > preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription > > preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, "This is good." From marksmithhfx at gmail.com Wed Mar 6 15:37:56 2024 From: marksmithhfx at gmail.com (Mark Smith) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2024 20:37:56 +0000 Subject: Cursor Placement in MobileControl In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9C7F333F-AAA1-4814-9A9C-5718C74C1895@gmail.com> Very useful to know. Thanks Dan Mark Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 6, 2024, at 7:13 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode wrote: > > it would be nice to have a universal field widget, and be able to have this > sort of behavior be part of it... > >> On Wed, Mar 6, 2024 at 2:07 PM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode < >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: >> >> That is damn handy. That could be massaged to work with a Livecode field >> too. I’m going to work on that. >> >> Bob S >> >> >>> On Mar 6, 2024, at 10:13 AM, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode < >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: >>> >>> Dan, >>> >>> Nice... thanks! >>> >>> Ralph DiMola >>> IT Director >>> Evergreen Information Services >>> rdimola at evergreeninfo.net >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On >> Behalf >>> Of Dan Friedman via use-livecode >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2024 11:15 AM >>> To: How to use LiveCode >>> Cc: Dan Friedman >>> Subject: Re: Cursor Placement in MobileControl >>> >>> Panos, >>> >>> Thank you for the suggestion! That worked out well! For anyone >>> interested, here's the snippet for formatting a phone number as you type >> in >>> a mobile native field control: >>> >>> //this assumes that the mobileControl type for Android is "multiline" and >>> the mobileSetKeyboardType has been set to "email" >>> >>> on inputTextChanged >>> put mobileControlTarget() into pField >>> put mobileControlGet(pField,"text") into pText >>> >>> if pField = "phoneNumber" then >>> put "" into fText >>> put numbersOnly(pText) into pText >>> >>> if char 1 of pText = "1" then >>> put "" into fText >>> mobileControlSet "phoneNumber","text",fText >>> androidGoLastChar "phoneNumber",fText >>> put fText into dataEntered["phone"] >>> exit inputTextChanged >>> end if >>> >>> if the number of chars in pText < 4 then >>> put pText into fText >>> mobileControlSet "phoneNumber","text",fText >>> androidGoLastChar "phoneNumber",fText >>> else >>> if (the number of chars in pText > 3) then >>> put "(" & char 1 to 3 of pText & ")" into char 1 to 3 of fText >>> put " " & char 4 to 6 of pText after fText >>> end if >>> if the number of chars in pText > 6 then >>> put "-" & char 7 to 10 of pText after fText >>> end if >>> >>> mobileControlSet "phoneNumber","text",fText >>> androidGoLastChar "phoneNumber",fText >>> end if >>> end if >>> end inputTextChanged >>> >>> function numbersOnly pNum >>> //returns only the numbers in pNum >>> put "" into fNum >>> repeat for each char c in pNum >>> if isNumber(c) then >>> put c after fNum >>> end if >>> end repeat >>> >>> return fNum >>> end numbersOnly >>> >>> on androidGoLastChar mControl,xText >>> if ("Android" is in the platform) then >>> mobileControlSet mControl,"selectedRange",(the number of chars in >>> xText+1,0) >>> end if >>> end androidGoLastChar >>> >>> >>> Thank you! >>> >>> Dan Friedman >>> CEO, ClearVision Technologies, LLC >>> Voice: 909/484-2052 >>> http://www.clearvisiontech.com >>> >>> >>> From: use-livecode on behalf of >>> panagiotis merakos via use-livecode >>> Date: Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 9:45 AM >>> To: How to use LiveCode >>> Cc: panagiotis merakos >>> Subject: Re: Cursor Placement in MobileControl Hello Dan, >>> >>> I take it you are formatting the text in inputTextChanged? >>> >>> Unfortunately yes, on Android calling >>> >>> mobileControlSet "phoneNumber","text", pText >>> >>> puts the cursor in the beginning of the text: >>> >>> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=24055 >>> >>> RE using the selectedRange with mobile native controls, I think this >>> property is supported only on multiline input fields. So I suppose you >> could >>> make the fields to be multiline and give it a try. >>> >>> Kind regards, >>> Panos >>> -- >>> >>> On Tue, 5 Mar 2024 at 18:53, Dan Friedman via use-livecode < >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I am trying to create a field on mobile (iOS and Android) that will >>>> format a phone number as your type (client request). I am able to do >>>> this on iOS as the command: mobileControlSet >>>> "phoneNumber","text",pText puts the cursor AFTER the text so the user >>>> can simply continue typing. But, on Android, the cursor is placed at >> the >>> beginning of the text after the >>>> mobileControlSet command is called. Is there a way to set the position >>> of >>>> the cursor on a native mobile text field? >>>> >>>> I did notice that the Android Native Field widget has a selectedRange >>>> property. Can I use this property on a native Android control? And, >>>> can I set the selectedRange to "16,15" to set the cursor location, not >>>> select text? >>>> >>>> Why not just use the Android Native Field widget, you ask? I will if I >>>> have to. but I prefer to use the native control as it is >>>> cross-platform and I don't need to case out for which platform we're >>>> on. You would need to create the control and hide the widget for iOS >>>> and show the widget for Android. I'll also have to case out the >>>> setting and getting of the text as they have different methods. I'll >> do >>> this if I have to, but I'd rather >>>> have a single code set and not have to manage/update separate methods. >> I >>>> would use the standard LC field, but client wants the standard >>>> hold->popupMenu->paste command to work. >>>> >>>> Any thoughts or ideas? >>>> >>>> -Dan >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> use-livecode mailing list >>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>>> subscription preferences: >>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription >>> preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription >>> preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > > > -- > On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth > On the second day, God created the oceans. > On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, > and did a little diving. > And God said, "This is good." > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com Wed Mar 6 17:00:13 2024 From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2024 22:00:13 +0000 Subject: Cursor Placement in MobileControl In-Reply-To: References: <9F0E2C59-27FD-49A8-AA22-DA8F6E9D080A@midwestcoastmedia.com>

<003a01da6ff2$0e632bc0$2b298340$@net> <87116489-C0CA-40A7-97BA-AC158EBE38FE@iotecdigital.com> Message-ID: <1619AE8B-1AED-4CDF-821F-3F1C52770ACF@iotecdigital.com> It’s too specific. For instance I always format phone numbers nnn-nnn-nnnn xnnn (the x is for extension). Some people bracket the area code with paras, some need the country code, some want to prepend 1+ etc. I was planning to have a format string of some sort, then follow that pattern as the user types. For instance: -- x the brackets indicating text to be replaced. I could exclude the brackets but I might want to have a format string that uses a literal n in the future, so I have to figure out how to do all that. Bob S > On Mar 6, 2024, at 11:11 AM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode wrote: > > it would be nice to have a universal field widget, and be able to have this > sort of behavior be part of it... > > On Wed, Mar 6, 2024 at 2:07 PM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode < > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > >> That is damn handy. That could be massaged to work with a Livecode field >> too. I’m going to work on that. >> >> Bob S >> >> From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com Wed Mar 6 17:03:54 2024 From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2024 22:03:54 +0000 Subject: Cursor Placement in MobileControl In-Reply-To: References: <9F0E2C59-27FD-49A8-AA22-DA8F6E9D080A@midwestcoastmedia.com>

<003a01da6ff2$0e632bc0$2b298340$@net> <87116489-C0CA-40A7-97BA-AC158EBE38FE@iotecdigital.com> Message-ID: Also, and without trying to put too fine a point on it, I’d like to reiterate that Livecode is much less like a furniture store, and more like an Ikea furniture factory, where there are lots of different parts, and bits to hold the furniture together, but theoretically you could make any kind of furniture you like. I think what you are asking for is a piece of furniture, when you already have everything necessary to make your own coffee table. :-) Bob S > On Mar 6, 2024, at 11:11 AM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode wrote: > > it would be nice to have a universal field widget, and be able to have this > sort of behavior be part of it... > From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com Wed Mar 6 22:04:42 2024 From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2024 22:04:42 -0500 Subject: Cursor Placement in MobileControl In-Reply-To: References: <9F0E2C59-27FD-49A8-AA22-DA8F6E9D080A@midwestcoastmedia.com>

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Message-ID: we don't have a universal field widget, and, the existing controls don't make it easy to do things like this. there are often ways to overcome, just like there are in c, but that doesn't mean i prefer c or swift or java or xojo sometimes workarounds are a means to identify opportunities to improve the product. On Wed, Mar 6, 2024 at 5:04 PM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode < use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > Also, and without trying to put too fine a point on it, I’d like to > reiterate that Livecode is much less like a furniture store, and more like > an Ikea furniture factory, where there are lots of different parts, and > bits to hold the furniture together, but theoretically you could make any > kind of furniture you like. I think what you are asking for is a piece of > furniture, when you already have everything necessary to make your own > coffee table. :-) > > Bob S > > > > On Mar 6, 2024, at 11:11 AM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode < > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > > it would be nice to have a universal field widget, and be able to have > this > > sort of behavior be part of it... > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, "This is good." From david.bovill at gmail.com Fri Mar 8 03:44:55 2024 From: david.bovill at gmail.com (David Bovill) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2024 08:44:55 +0000 Subject: Enhanced HTTPD - native HTTP 1.1 Livecode Socket Server In-Reply-To: References:

Message-ID: Hi Mike and Richard, the progress I’ve made is along the lines that Richard speaks to in the thread. I have added a little to the earlier work and bundled socket based servers - mainly by making it easy to add and remove logging with before and after handlers, and layers of back scripts that allow you to add your own custom middleware. There are a few things holding me back from plunging in further and finishing the work. Firstly, as Richard says still a way to go to add things like HTTP 206 partial content support, and there are already robust libraries in other languages out there - so the strategy of integrating Livecode with one of these is also attractive given the amount of effort required it’s a question in my head as too which route would be better pursued. I also have quite a nice integration with local node servers, which took quite a lot of tweaking as simply using shell() didn’t cut it - but now works well. However with this approach I don’t get the control I need from the Livecode side. There are also issues with socket requests and timeouts which would need to be debugged and while that is not a problem in itself, the underlying concern I’d have is that at the end of the process I’d find that the cause was a Livecode bug and not something in my code. There would be little I could do in that case other than hope and wait. Funny you came across the Full Moon Happening event as I’m currently working on a new version of that early experiment for March 25th this year (a full moon, penumbral lunar eclipse and wikis birthday - should be fun. If anyone’s in London this Friday March 15th, I’ll be doing an event at the RSA in the afternoon and Newspeak House in the evening where we’ll go into this in more detail. On Wed, 28 Feb 2024 at 13:55, Mike Kerner via use-livecode < use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > just pinging to see if anything more has happened on this > and the how list is really quiet > > On Tue, Feb 6, 2024 at 11:09 PM ambassador--- via use-livecode < > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > David Bovill wrote: > > > > > I've been working for a while on a native server written in Livecode > > > using sockets. I feel it is definitely something that is sorely needed > > > - but to do it properly is more work that I initially thought. I need > > > to add HTTP 206 partial content support - > > > https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTTP/Status/206. I expect > > > there to be other things that will need to be added. > > > > > > Is anyone interested / need this? Or does anyone already have something > > > they use? > > > > > > MC shipped with a simple HTTPd example included, and many years ago back > > when Pierre was still active here I dusted it off to add support for HTTP > > 1.1 so it would work with modern browsers: > > > > https://fourthworld.net/lc/mchttpd-4W.zip > > > > It's been years since I touched it, and IIRC the only other change I made > > was to use callbacks for both ends of the network I/O (for some reason > > Raney had used callbacks only on one side, tho I can't recall if his was > on > > the write or read end). Callbacks for net I/O help a lot. > > > > If you're already far enough down the road to be thinking of 206 errors, > > there's likely nothing here you haven't already written. But as an > example > > (slightly updated) of the sort of thing that used to ship with old > versions > > to encourage exploration of network apps, it may be a fun trip down > memory > > lane. > > > > > > A question, if interesting to answer: one of the reasons I set this aside > > was the beginning of a process of moving away from my own homegrown tools > > for generic commodities like socket servers. Apache and Node cover most > of > > what I've needed since, and I don't have to maintain them, so I can focus > > on the stuff specific to my app. What are you working on these days? I > > stumbled across your chat with Ward Cunningham in the Full Moon Happening > > just a few months ago; good stuff. Curious if your interest in > > decentralization is still a focus, and whether it also includes things > like > > IPSF and blockchains. Maybe offlist if it's not too LiveCodey is fine. > > > > > > Richard Gaskin > > FourthWorld.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > -- > On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth > On the second day, God created the oceans. > On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, > and did a little diving. > And God said, "This is good." > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From david.bovill at gmail.com Fri Mar 8 03:54:28 2024 From: david.bovill at gmail.com (David Bovill) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2024 08:54:28 +0000 Subject: Enhanced HTTPD - native HTTP 1.1 Livecode Socket Server In-Reply-To: <31d2bf4382641c6fd936f04d88edf69cc25f1dea@fourthworld.com> References: <31d2bf4382641c6fd936f04d88edf69cc25f1dea@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: Hi Richard - checking in again :) Yes I worked a lot with decentralised protocols and communities, and was looking to integrate those technologies with Livecode. That work got set back when Livecode pivoted away from FOSS. I believe there are still some approaches that can work but would probably be best done off list in a video call? On Wed, 28 Feb 2024 at 17:56, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode < use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > FWIW I haven't heard from David, but with the economic numbers off to a > good start this year I suspect he's just been as busy as most I know. > > I know of at least one other LC fan with an interest in decentralized > protocols, but I'm not sure how far he's gotten with his implementations. > I've mentioned LC in some of those circles, but those communities tend to > make and use FOSS tools, so the conversation is usually very short. > > Richard Gaskin > FourthWorld.com > > > > On February 28, 2024 at 9:00 AM, Mike Kerner wrote: > > > > just pinging to see if anything more has happened on this > > > > and the how list is really quiet > > > > On Tue, Feb 6, 2024 at 11:09?PM ambassador--- via use-livecode < > > > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > > > David Bovill wrote: > > > > > > I've been working for a while on a native server written in Livecode > > > using sockets. I feel it is definitely something that is sorely needed > > > - but to do it properly is more work that I initially thought. I need > > > to add HTTP 206 partial content support - > > > https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTTP/Status/206. I > expect > > > there to be other things that will need to be added. > > > Is anyone interested / need this? Or does anyone already have > something > > > they use? > > > > > MC shipped with a simple HTTPd example included, and many years ago back > > > > when Pierre was still active here I dusted it off to add support for > HTTP > > 1.1 so it would work with modern browsers: > > https://fourthworld.net/lc/mchttpd-4W.zip > > > > It's been years since I touched it, and IIRC the only other change I > made > > was to use callbacks for both ends of the network I/O (for some reason > > Raney had used callbacks only on one side, tho I can't recall if his was > on > > the write or read end). Callbacks for net I/O help a lot. > > > > If you're already far enough down the road to be thinking of 206 errors, > > there's likely nothing here you haven't already written. But as an > example > > (slightly updated) of the sort of thing that used to ship with old > versions > > to encourage exploration of network apps, it may be a fun trip down > memory > > lane. > > > > A question, if interesting to answer: one of the reasons I set this > aside > > was the beginning of a process of moving away from my own homegrown > tools > > for generic commodities like socket servers. Apache and Node cover most > of > > what I've needed since, and I don't have to maintain them, so I can focus > > on the stuff specific to my app. What are you working on these days? I > > stumbled across your chat with Ward Cunningham in the Full Moon > Happening > > just a few months ago; good stuff. Curious if your interest in > > decentralization is still a focus, and whether it also includes things > like > > IPSF and blockchains. Maybe offlist if it's not too LiveCodey is fine. > > > > Richard Gaskin > > FourthWorld.com > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From klaus at major-k.de Wed Mar 13 05:26:28 2024 From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2024 10:26:28 +0100 Subject: Iconmaker 2.0 Message-ID: <99F2FA3E-4453-4F3F-9619-4C34C8034154@major-k.de> Hi friends, a new version of my plug-in "Iconmaker" is available, it now also creates .ICNS icon files for macOS apps. Check it here: https://major-k.de/iconmaker.html Best Klaus From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com Wed Mar 13 12:08:10 2024 From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2024 16:08:10 +0000 Subject: Iconmaker 2.0 In-Reply-To: <99F2FA3E-4453-4F3F-9619-4C34C8034154@major-k.de> References: <99F2FA3E-4453-4F3F-9619-4C34C8034154@major-k.de> Message-ID: <51A542A2-F7FD-4A90-87F6-3F3F6F246A43@iotecdigital.com> Awesome thanks! Bob S > On Mar 13, 2024, at 2:26 AM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote: > > Hi friends, > > a new version of my plug-in "Iconmaker" is available, it now also creates .ICNS icon files for macOS apps. > Check it here: https://major-k.de/iconmaker.html > > > Best > > Klaus > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From jbv at souslelogo.com Fri Mar 15 10:36:39 2024 From: jbv at souslelogo.com (jbv at souslelogo.com) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2024 10:36:39 -0400 Subject: Code translation anyone ? Message-ID: Hi list, Has anyone tried to translate code from 1 version to another, or from 1 language to another ? Like from php 5 to php 8, or from php to LC ? My question concerns mainly server scripts. Thanks, jbv From jbv at souslelogo.com Fri Mar 15 10:39:57 2024 From: jbv at souslelogo.com (jbv at souslelogo.com) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2024 10:39:57 -0400 Subject: Code translation anyone ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <85df7e46662e355a4bbafbfb0dadab8d@souslelogo.com> One detail I forgot in my question : code translation using ChatGPT or any other AI. Thanks, jbv Le 2024-03-15 10:36, jbv via use-livecode a crit : > Hi list, > > Has anyone tried to translate code from 1 version to > another, or from 1 language to another ? > Like from php 5 to php 8, or from php to LC ? > My question concerns mainly server scripts. > > Thanks, > jbv > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com Fri Mar 15 11:15:19 2024 From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2024 15:15:19 +0000 Subject: Code translation anyone ? In-Reply-To: <85df7e46662e355a4bbafbfb0dadab8d@souslelogo.com> References: <85df7e46662e355a4bbafbfb0dadab8d@souslelogo.com> Message-ID: <619F751C-E25E-4BEF-815E-2A6C55946D01@iotecdigital.com> I tried to write a code converter from dBase (Foxpro) to what is now called Livecode. I ran into at least one insurmountable issue. I forget exactly what it was, but it was along the lines of certain conventions used in Foxpro that had no parallel in Livecode or meant something totally different in Livecode. For instance, Foxpro uses a convention called Macro Substitution, where preceding a variable with an ampersand would at runtime replace the variable with its contents. For instance: x = "Fox" ? "&x.Pro” Would produce FoxPro. The trouble was that ampersand is *ALSO* used for concatenation! How can I tell? Periods inside quotes are just periods *unless* they are used in Macro Substitution. There were a couple others, like using $ for certain things. I came to the conclusion that the process would be more complex than I wanted, if at all possible, and in the end it would be easier to simple reproduce the application from scratch. Bob S > On Mar 15, 2024, at 7:39 AM, jbv via use-livecode wrote: > > One detail I forgot in my question : code translation using > ChatGPT or any other AI. > > Thanks, > jbv > > > Le 2024-03-15 10:36, jbv via use-livecode a écrit : >> Hi list, >> Has anyone tried to translate code from 1 version to >> another, or from 1 language to another ? >> Like from php 5 to php 8, or from php to LC ? >> My question concerns mainly server scripts. >> Thanks, >> jbv >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From christerp1 at gmail.com Fri Mar 15 12:28:22 2024 From: christerp1 at gmail.com (=?utf-8?Q?Christer_Pyyhti=C3=A4?=) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2024 18:28:22 +0200 Subject: Code translation anyone ? In-Reply-To: <619F751C-E25E-4BEF-815E-2A6C55946D01@iotecdigital.com> References: <85df7e46662e355a4bbafbfb0dadab8d@souslelogo.com> <619F751C-E25E-4BEF-815E-2A6C55946D01@iotecdigital.com> Message-ID: <973B22EA-0441-4973-A870-BFB45B7EDEDB@gmail.com> Just an ideal hacker problem. Have you tried OpenAi or Gemini? Once just for fun tried asking OpenAI to create a structure for a problem using LiveCode, and the result was acceptable giving a coarse structure for the solving the problem. Maybe those generative tools would recognise FoxPro as well. Please tell what you’ll find out. Reds Christer Pyyhtiä christerp1 at gmail.com > On 15. Mar 2024, at 17.15, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote: > > I tried to write a code converter from dBase (Foxpro) to what is now called Livecode. I ran into at least one insurmountable issue. I forget exactly what it was, but it was along the lines of certain conventions used in Foxpro that had no parallel in Livecode or meant something totally different in Livecode. For instance, Foxpro uses a convention called Macro Substitution, where preceding a variable with an ampersand would at runtime replace the variable with its contents. For instance: > > x = "Fox" > ? "&x.Pro” > > Would produce FoxPro. The trouble was that ampersand is *ALSO* used for concatenation! How can I tell? Periods inside quotes are just periods *unless* they are used in Macro Substitution. > > There were a couple others, like using $ for certain things. I came to the conclusion that the process would be more complex than I wanted, if at all possible, and in the end it would be easier to simple reproduce the application from scratch. > > > Bob S > > > >> On Mar 15, 2024, at 7:39 AM, jbv via use-livecode wrote: >> >> One detail I forgot in my question : code translation using >> ChatGPT or any other AI. >> >> Thanks, >> jbv >> >> >> Le 2024-03-15 10:36, jbv via use-livecode a écrit : >>> Hi list, >>> Has anyone tried to translate code from 1 version to >>> another, or from 1 language to another ? >>> Like from php 5 to php 8, or from php to LC ? >>> My question concerns mainly server scripts. >>> Thanks, >>> jbv >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From jbv at souslelogo.com Fri Mar 15 14:07:36 2024 From: jbv at souslelogo.com (jbv at souslelogo.com) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2024 14:07:36 -0400 Subject: Code translation anyone ? 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