Livecode Future

[Phil Smith]

Xojo is not true multithreaded.   The threads are cooperative, not preemptive.  It uses "workers" which are basically helper apps to sort of do multithreads.   They are working on preemptive threads but no idea when that will happen.  The IDE is written in Xojo so its use of threads is limited.

My personal opinion... stay away from Xojo.  Their CEO does not listen to customers and they spend more time renaming controls and events then actually adding value to the language.  They have different names for controls on each platform, i.e. DesktopButton, IOSButton, AndroidButton so you cannot use GUI code between platforms.    Documentation leaves a lot to be desired.

I used Xojo for many years until they came out with API2 and started renaming everything just for the sake of renaming.  Its a mess now.

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From: "Mike Kerner via use-livecode" <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: 7/27/24 9:28 AM
To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Cc: Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com>
Subject: Re: Livecode Future

sean,

* in reverse order: compare to xojo. $799. unlimited deployment

(mac/win/linux/web/mobile, console/service apps. instead of bragging about

their consulting service, they send you consulting leads). if you want to

unlock god mode, with things like "top priority support", "fast fixes",

"rapid report verification", it's $1999.

* my MRP/ERP server, which runs the back office modules (AR/AP/GL/Payroll,

etc.), and includes dev tools and support: $322. that is not a typo. the

dev tools are primitive.

* at the other end, 4D, the "super-expensive" database/application/RAD/web

server, which also includes multi-threaded apps, base price, with two

users... $274. each additional user in the tier: $94. unlimited web

clients: $335. our total: $891. (god mode is an additional $999). that

makes the pricing a little less expensive than xojo, and it also includes

the servers.

* all three of those products are multithreaded.

* i'm more concerned about the corporate app seats than i am about whether

5% or $440 per device for customers is a bigger deal killer for commercial

clients - it won't be the first time we had someone rewrite an app for a

customer.

* $440/device is not happening. even $100/device is not happening. we are

not paying $100/employee so they can run our payroll app, for instance, on

their phone.

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