Reorder fields

[Geoff Canyon]

Yeah, the three driving forces behind Navigator originally were:

1. Speed, because the alternatives didn't run so quickly for larger
projects on hardware available circa 20 years ago.
2. Compactness, because the alternatives were pretty overwhelming on the
monitors people were using back then.
3. And to your point: showing multiple layers clearly, because there were a
number of former HyperCard users finding it hard to adapt to an environment
with more than one "background". :-)

On Sun, Jul 30, 2023 at 12:24 PM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Also good time to mention revNavigator where the grouping would be
> immediately obvious and you can drag to reorder.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jul 29, 2023, at 15:22, Geoff Canyon via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > One trick to this is that objects are included into a group if
> > relayerGroupedControls is set to true and the layer of the control is set
> > to the layer above the group. Meaning that if you have this arrangement:
> >
> > stack "Untitled 1"
> > card id 1002
> > |  group id 1005 (1005)
> > |  |  button "Button" (1006)
> > |  |  button "Button" (1004)
> > |  button "Button" (1003)
> > |  button "test" (1007)
> >
> > put the layer of button "test"
> > -- puts 5
> >
> > set relayergroupedcontrols to false;set the layer of button "test" to 4
> >
> > This is now the arrangement:
> >
> > stack "Untitled 1"
> > card id 1002
> > |  group id 1005 (1005)
> > |  |  button "Button" (1006)
> > |  |  button "Button" (1004)
> > |  button "test" (1007)
> > |  button "Button" (1003)
> >
> > put the layer of button "test"
> > -- puts 4
> >
> > Button "test" is immediately above the group, but not in the group
> >
> > set relayergroupedcontrols to true;set the layer of button "test" to 4
> >
> > Now the arrangement is:
> >
> > stack "Untitled 1"
> > card id 1002
> > |  group id 1005 (1005)
> > |  |  button "Button" (1006)
> > |  |  button "Button" (1004)
> > |  |  button "test" (1007)
> > |  button "Button" (1003)
> >
> > put the layer of button "test"
> > -- puts 4
> >
> > The layer of button "test" didn't change, but now it is in the group --
> and
> > the topmost object in the group.
> >
> > I learned this the hard way through much experimentation building
> > Navigator. Getting drag-and-drop relayering right with selection of
> > multiple objects, and discontiguous selections, in and out of groups, is
> > *painful*, and I've done it several times now...
> >
> >> On Sat, Jul 29, 2023 at 10:46 AM Martin Koob via use-livecode <
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi MarkwI did not see your later post that the fields were grouped.  My
> >> scenario was just the most basic case of fields on a card.  I guess it
> >> would work if all the fields were in 1 group but having fields in
> different
> >> groups certainly complicates things. Cool solution though.  I wasn’t
> aware
> >> of the relayerGroupedControls option.  Reading the entry in the
> Dictionary
> >> I learned some interesting things about groups and layers.
> >> e.g. you can move an object out of a group by setting its layer above
> the
> >> layer of the topmost object in the group or conversely  setting it below
> >> the bottommost object in the group. Hmmm…. What could you do with that?
> >>
> >> True the old brain needs a bit of a work out once in a while to keep the
> >> neurons running.  Thanks for posting your question.
> >>
> >> Martin
> >>
> >>>> On Jul 29, 2023, at 11:00 AM, Mark Smith <marksmithhfx at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On 29 Jul 2023, at 3:27 pm, Martin Koob via use-livecode <
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>>
> >> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> The two ways I have used are either with the property inspector  or by
> >> script.
> >>>>
> >>>> Property Inspector
> >>>> - click the ‘Position’ tab of the property inspector
> >>>> - Change the number in the ‘Layer’ field either directly or by using
> >> the arrow keys.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks Martin, but as noted, "items won’t relayer if they are grouped
> >> and “relayingGroupedControls" is set to false. That was exactly the
> >> situation I was in. In my case, field A was grouped with label A, etc so
> >> attempting to relayer them failed. I didn’t notice they were grouped
> >> because Select Grouped was not chosen in the menu bar. With Select
> Grouped
> >> chosen it’s easy to see the label-field grouping, and then to relayer
> the
> >> groups (not the fields inside the groups) if need be. Or, you can use
> the
> >> PB to do this by just dragging the groups around to relayer them.
> Finally,
> >> there’s a property called relayerGroupedControls which will allow you to
> >> relayer objects inside a group. If that had of been “true” instead of
> the
> >> default “false” I would have been able to relayer them in the first
> >> instance. But you have to be careful with this option as it can also
> revise
> >> the grouping. BTW, I just tried it (grouped the labels and fields, set
> the
> >> relayerGroupedControls option to true, turned off Select Grouped) and I
> was
> >> able to select the individual fields and relayer them using the Layer
> field
> >> in the Property Inspector. Kinda cool but my goodness you really have to
> >> know your stuff to make that manoeuvre happen.
> >>>
> >>> But also thank you for the opportunity to discuss this further. It
> helps
> >> with the encoding of this new information into my ageing brain 😊 And
> also,
> >> if I got any of it wrong, please correct me.
> >>>
> >>> Mark
> >>>
> >>
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