use-livecode Digest, Vol 233, Issue 13
Richard Hillen
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Tue Feb 21 12:18:50 EST 2023
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> 1. Sort list alphabetically- ignoring first character if it is a
> space (David V Glasgow)
> 2. Re: Sort list alphabetically- ignoring first character if it
> is a space (Niggemann, Bernd)
> 3. Re: Sort list alphabetically- ignoring first character if it
> is a space (Mark Wieder)
> 4. Re: Sort list alphabetically- ignoring first character if it
> is a space (Richard Gaskin)
> 5. Re: Sort list alphabetically- ignoring first character if it
> is a space (Bob Sneidar)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2023 21:15:50 +0000
> From: David V Glasgow <dvglasgow at gmail.com>
> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Subject: Sort list alphabetically- ignoring first character if it is a
> space
> Message-ID: <B53F47B5-8DB4-464C-A253-BCFD8F62C682 at gmail.com>
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> I am trying to alphabetically sort a list of unique strings, some of which have a leading space character. I need these to sort as if the second character is the first character rather than all space prefixed strings being bunched together.
>
> I just had a hilarious conversation with ChatGPT on this challenge We ended up having a disagreement about whether a keyword ?ignoring? exists in Livecode. Please tell me it doesn?t. (although even if it does, I don?t think it helps me with my task)
>
> Anyway, I did learn something, but not whether there is an elegant way to do this.
>
> I can see how I could extract strings starting with a space, replace the first character with the second character, combine the lists, sort, then replace the doctored strings with the space prefixed originals.
>
> However, I couldn?t help but wonder if there is a better solution.
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> Anyone?
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> Best wishes,
>
> David G
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2023 21:29:46 +0000
> From: "Niggemann, Bernd" <Bernd.Niggemann at uni-wh.de>
> To: "use-livecode at lists.runrev.com" <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Subject: Re: Sort list alphabetically- ignoring first character if it
> is a space
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>> David V Glasgow wrote:
>> I am trying to alphabetically sort a list of unique strings, some of which have
>> a leading space character. I need these to sort as if the second character is
>> the first character rather than all space prefixed strings being bunched
>> together.
>
> Would
>
> sort tData ascending by word 1 to -1 of each
>
> work for you?
>
> Kind regards
> Bernd
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2023 14:11:01 -0800
> From: Mark Wieder <ahsoftware at sonic.net>
> To: "Niggemann, Bernd via use-livecode"
> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Subject: Re: Sort list alphabetically- ignoring first character if it
> is a space
> Message-ID: <78cc5c34-0046-29e7-16d8-22378b58c491 at sonic.net>
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>> On 2/20/23 13:29, Niggemann, Bernd via use-livecode wrote:
>>
>> ...or to make ChatGPT happy:
>>
>> sort tData ascending by word 1 to -1 of each # ignoring spaces
>>
>> <g>
>>
>> --
>> Mark Wieder
>> ahsoftware at gmail.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> Message: 4
>> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2023 15:14:31 -0800
>> From: Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com>
>> To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Subject: Re: Sort list alphabetically- ignoring first character if it
>> is a space
>> Message-ID: <f34c3fdf-1f7d-4355-1f6d-b3169a7a0445 at fourthworld.com>
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>> David V Glasgow wrote:
>>
>> I am trying to alphabetically sort a list of unique strings, some of
>> which have a leading space character. I need these to sort as if the
>> second character is the first character rather than all space prefixed
>> strings being bunched together.
>
> Would using the word delimited type help with this? e.g.:
>
> sort lines of field 1 by word 1 to -1 of each
>
>
>> I just had a hilarious conversation with ChatGPT on this challenge.
>> We ended up having a disagreement about whether a keyword ?ignoring?
>> exists in Livecode. Please tell me it doesn?t.
>
> I don't recall having seen an "ignoring" keyword in LiveCode.
>
> But I have seen countless articles about Vincent Cerf, Mark Cuban, Steve
> Wozniak, and a great many others much smarter than me cautioning against
> making any investment in ChatGPT for serious work involving precision
> and accuracy.
>
> Once you see it's a caffeinated auto-complete, the useful and less
> useful applications for a tool that literally can't understand a single
> word it spits out become clearer.
>
> This background from Stephen Wolfram is helpful:
> https://writings.stephenwolfram.com/2023/02/what-is-chatgpt-doing-and-why-does-it-work/
>
> ChatGPT is fascinating, but since this isn't the first time we've been
> through the Gartner hype cycle with an "AI" tech (I first joined AAAI
> back when Expert Systems were a thing), even more fascinating has been
> watching humans forget that the Trough of Disillusionment will happen
> before we eventually reach the Plateau of Productivity.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gartner_hype_cycle
>
> --
> Richard Gaskin
> Fourth World Systems
> Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
> ____________________________________________________________________
> Ambassador at FourthWorld.com http://www.FourthWorld.com
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> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2023 04:35:41 +0000
> From: Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com>
> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Subject: Re: Sort list alphabetically- ignoring first character if it
> is a space
> Message-ID: <D53AE70B-B48D-4283-A4E0-615BBDD4B2CB at iotecdigital.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
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> Sort by word 1 to -1 of each
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Feb 20, 2023, at 14:12, Mark Wieder via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> ?On 2/20/23 13:29, Niggemann, Bernd via use-livecode wrote:
>>
>> ...or to make ChatGPT happy:
>>
>> sort tData ascending by word 1 to -1 of each # ignoring spaces
>>
>> <g>
>>
>> --
>> Mark Wieder
>> ahsoftware at gmail.com
>>
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