Group corners

Mon Aug 21 12:58:42 EDT 2023

Another thing you can do is draw the “border” the way you want in a graphic app with an alpha channel for whatever you want to be transparent. Then import that image and place it behind whatever you want a border around. Be sure to set the quality to best. If you need the “border” to change, create multiple graphics, then set the source of the image accordingly. 

Bob S

> On Aug 21, 2023, at 9:50 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
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> For now, I’m using a temporary solution: I am setting the border width to 1. That might become a long-term workaround. — Dar
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>> On Aug 21, 2023, at 9:47 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
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>> I sprinkled some colors over the different object colors. I can see more of what is happening that way. 
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>> Show name off: The border grows outward. If 3D is off, it has the border color. If it is on it has the bevel colors: left and top are the bottom bevel, bottom and right have the top bevel.
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>> Show name on: Again 3D changes whether the background is used for both bevel colors or the two bevel colors are used. In this case though, instead	of the whole outline having the above color pattern, the border lines, do. In addition the inside border grows **inward**, covering things. Also, a background stripe above and below the top line covers things. This might be the background of the label; I couldn’t figure out how to set the alpha of colors to test that, so I use the opaque check box. Even with opaque of, objects are obscured.
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>> It looks as though instead of putting an appropriate sized label over the border for the name, the object puts the opaque label above the content and tries to draw a border on top of that. The drawing is the 3D drawing, lines have 3D, not the whole rectangle of the border. The only difference for turning off 3D is using border instead of the bevels. With 3D on, one can see what is happening. The outside line is much like without the show name half width, but with a little diagonal gap in the upper left. The inside line, grows inward :( and has gaps in the lines, including the line ends around the name label.
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>> Some behavior depends on the order I check boxes. For some experiments clear all check boxes and then turn on some.
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>> The behavior I would have hoped for is this:
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>> * The border always grows outward.
>> * Adding the show name does not change the border or background; it just puts a label over it.
>> * The background is in the back and extends consistently to either the inside of the border, the middle of the border or outside edge of the border. The background for the name label is the same as that for the group including the opaque modifier, so a blip of background might extend above the top border. This is noticeable only with show name.
>> *  Except for a little blip around the label when opaque is on, nothing obscures the content region.
>> * The label border is tight.
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>> A better way might be to crop out a hole in the current border and place the name label there with a transparent background. Or layer them behind the content, but above the background. 
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>> So…
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>> I don’t seem to be doing something wrong. I need to look for a workaround. 
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>> Thoughts (all involving keeping show name off):
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>> 1. I could put a small-margin label into the grouped controls so it fits just inside the border in a consistent corner.
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>> 2 I can put an opaque label on top of my border. The background color might be chosen to be that of the named group or that of its parent. I would have to address moving the group. There might be 3 ways. a) Move the label by hand. b) Add a script to do that. c) Put both label and my group into another group, but then have to figure out “of” and “parent” in scripts.
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>> 3 Draw my own border and label as the group content. (However, something seems to be weird with my rectangles on Windows.)
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>> 4. Any ideas you folks have.
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>> Dar
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>>> On Aug 21, 2023, at 3:56 AM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
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>>> I see those kind of changes (10.0.0DP5, MacOS), but the border changes from solid black to black/white lines - with those 'splits' you described.
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>>> Alex.
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>>> On 21/08/2023 01:50, Dar Scott via use-livecode wrote:
>>>> On Mac and LiveCode 9.6.9…
>>>> 
>>>> Make a new stack. Put a few controls on it. Group them.
>>>> 
>>>> Give the group a name
>>>> 
>>>> Set the border width to something like 10-15 so the effect is visible.
>>>> 
>>>> Turn off 3D.
>>>> Turn on border.
>>>> 
>>>> Now, turn show name on and off. When show name is off, the border looks good. When on, the border is goofy.
>>>> 
>>>> On my machine, when show name is on, the border gets thinner, most times. The ends of the border near the name is split into two lengths. The corners are split and some of the splits are too short. There are gaps compared to the pretty border when show name is off.
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>>>> Dar
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>>>>> On Aug 19, 2023, at 11:07 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
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>>>>> Weird how? The corners should be right angles. Do you see something different?
>>>>> 
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>>>>> On August 18, 2023 3:47:34 PM Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
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>>>>>> If I turn off 3D for a group, the corners of the rectangle are weird. Advice? — Dar
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