From jerry at jhjensen.com  Tue Aug  1 01:27:46 2023
From: jerry at jhjensen.com (Jerry Jensen)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2023 22:27:46 -0700
Subject: Managing windows in the IDE on Mac
In-Reply-To: <189af3d71f8.276f.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <9B368B43-B56B-43AE-A1D7-AF825538B07F@swcp.com>
 <189af3d71f8.276f.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <C47640BC-9823-4CD9-B3CA-58132AFC47C2@jhjensen.com>

I now always "set the backdrop to none” right away in the main stack. Otherwise mine is always black. Pain.
.Jerry

> On Jul 31, 2023, at 8:56 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hey Dar! So nice to see you here again.
> 
> The backdrop problem is a known bug on Ventura. Sometimes you can click where the window ought to be and it comes to the front, but basically windowing is broken. The only fix I know of for now is to not use a backdrop.
> 
> <https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=24200>
> 
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> On July 31, 2023 7:50:52 PM Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> It has been a while. Hi, all. I’m getting back into LiveCode.
>> 
>> I’m using 9.6.9 on Mac Ventura.
>> 
>> I’m having a lot of trouble with the windows in the IDE. The backdrop doesn’t always work. The stack I’m working on keeps disappearing. I can check Float above everything, but that is not what I need and it can become a problem when I want to look at something else. The Project Browser stays behind everything and then disappears when I click on it.
>> 
>> Dar
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Dar Scott
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> +1.505.433.1024 <tel:15054331024> | darzLAB.com <http://darzlab.com/> | DarScott at darzLAB.com <mailto:DarScott at darzLAB.com>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From merakosp at gmail.com  Tue Aug  1 04:35:40 2023
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis m)
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2023 11:35:40 +0300
Subject: Query Android Version Code
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR12MB270965373B7486DC1E6AD955B93FA@BYAPR12MB2709.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
References: <20230721005258.Horde.fGWFLX7QeysnQIb4kFMIKDN@hub.4wsys.com>
 <238B28B2-9D91-4156-81BC-0C4EB7CE7F07@iotecdigital.com>
 <8a40bc65-b369-3673-37ad-5702eee68f5d@researchware.com>
 <CAKCLKto=N3ACQ-T2aPnWX5NNDj0RcpwftPUrhitmxq_tHH1h6g@mail.gmail.com>
 <BYAPR12MB270965373B7486DC1E6AD955B93FA@BYAPR12MB2709.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq9cJs4eZvNUdVzakKL7m1dGsLbb4+9Y58r-jNw6F+w15Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Dan,

You can do something like this:
*put* the cRevStandaloneSettings["android,version code"] of this stack

Kind regards,
Panos
--

On Sat, 22 Jul 2023 at 00:02, Dan Friedman via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Does anyone know if there is a way to query the “Version Code” that you
> enter in the Application Settings screen?
>
> -Dan
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Aug  1 09:09:29 2023
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2023 13:09:29 +0000
Subject: Update RE: LC domains for sale
Message-ID: <20230801130929.Horde.wNIt98pS8I5_bFopHyuMQc9@hub.4wsys.com>

learnlivecode.com is being sold (buyer has good plans for teachingLiveCode scripting, and I wish him the best with that).
 
livecodeworld.com remains available for now.
 
------ original message --
I had taken out these domains some time ago for possible projects, but now I'm planning on having those proposed services become part of the existing livecodejournal.com domain instead.
 
If anyone here is interested in these domains they're listed at AfterNIC.com, and I'd be happy to negotiate favorable pricing if you have a community-oriented use in mind:
 
 
livecodeworld.com
learnlivecode.com

 
--  
Richard Gaskin
Fourth World Systems
 


From dsc at swcp.com  Tue Aug  1 11:39:35 2023
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2023 09:39:35 -0600
Subject: Tab button is not getting messages
Message-ID: <43035845-9589-4802-9486-F49A05BE3C4B@swcp.com>


I have a tab button on a background. It does not seem to be getting menuPick. I tried mouseUp and that does not work, either. A checkbox on the same background does get a mouseUp. I tried beeps and puts, but nothing. (I’m switching to a card whose name is pChosenItem.)

Dar

From dsc at swcp.com  Tue Aug  1 11:40:46 2023
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2023 09:40:46 -0600
Subject: Managing windows in the IDE on Mac
In-Reply-To: <C47640BC-9823-4CD9-B3CA-58132AFC47C2@jhjensen.com>
References: <9B368B43-B56B-43AE-A1D7-AF825538B07F@swcp.com>
 <189af3d71f8.276f.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <C47640BC-9823-4CD9-B3CA-58132AFC47C2@jhjensen.com>
Message-ID: <A45A8379-065F-4B62-ABAB-5A034C0D8A3E@swcp.com>

Thanks, all!


> On Jul 31, 2023, at 11:27 PM, Jerry Jensen via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I now always "set the backdrop to none” right away in the main stack. Otherwise mine is always black. Pain.
> .Jerry
> 
>> On Jul 31, 2023, at 8:56 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hey Dar! So nice to see you here again.
>> 
>> The backdrop problem is a known bug on Ventura. Sometimes you can click where the window ought to be and it comes to the front, but basically windowing is broken. The only fix I know of for now is to not use a backdrop.
>> 
>> <https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=24200>
>> 
>> --
>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>> On July 31, 2023 7:50:52 PM Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> It has been a while. Hi, all. I’m getting back into LiveCode.
>>> 
>>> I’m using 9.6.9 on Mac Ventura.
>>> 
>>> I’m having a lot of trouble with the windows in the IDE. The backdrop doesn’t always work. The stack I’m working on keeps disappearing. I can check Float above everything, but that is not what I need and it can become a problem when I want to look at something else. The Project Browser stays behind everything and then disappears when I click on it.
>>> 
>>> Dar
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Dar Scott
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> +1.505.433.1024 <tel:15054331024> | darzLAB.com <http://darzlab.com/> | DarScott at darzLAB.com <mailto:DarScott at darzLAB.com>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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From david.bovill at gmail.com  Tue Aug  1 11:46:13 2023
From: david.bovill at gmail.com (David Bovill)
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2023 16:46:13 +0100
Subject: Snapshot of browser not working?
Message-ID: <CAGASioPth6ATxACRxucYPLm3njY3D-PUj+zq8EBTtcO_mhrnjA@mail.gmail.com>

I cannot find a specific bug report - but I am trying to take a snapshot of
a browser widget to capture an image of the website. In the latest 10 DP 5
on MacOS M2 i get a very truncated text of the image (a few lines) in all
formats using:

*export* snapshot from widget "Browser" to pictVariable as PNG

Is this something that works on other  platforms or livecode versions?

From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Aug  1 11:47:19 2023
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2023 15:47:19 +0000
Subject: Tab button is not getting messages
In-Reply-To: <43035845-9589-4802-9486-F49A05BE3C4B@swcp.com>
References: <43035845-9589-4802-9486-F49A05BE3C4B@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <C1275E20-618D-484D-8BD5-3EEC6B1FB9AB@iotecdigital.com>

Tab button or tab widget?

Bob S


> On Aug 1, 2023, at 8:39 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> I have a tab button on a background. It does not seem to be getting menuPick. I tried mouseUp and that does not work, either. A checkbox on the same background does get a mouseUp. I tried beeps and puts, but nothing. (I’m switching to a card whose name is pChosenItem.)
> 
> Dar
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From dsc at swcp.com  Tue Aug  1 12:10:29 2023
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2023 10:10:29 -0600
Subject: Tab button is not getting messages
In-Reply-To: <C1275E20-618D-484D-8BD5-3EEC6B1FB9AB@iotecdigital.com>
References: <43035845-9589-4802-9486-F49A05BE3C4B@swcp.com>
 <C1275E20-618D-484D-8BD5-3EEC6B1FB9AB@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <87445B73-94CB-4ACE-825C-4F906ED1F177@swcp.com>


There’s a tab widget? Cool.

I guess I’m using a tab button.

I think I know what is the problem, though I don’t remember what I did to do cause it. Some of the backgrounds are really different; they just look the same. I edit the background (the tab button script) but the button script does not show up on most of the cards. 

How do I place the correct background on each card?

Dar


> On Aug 1, 2023, at 9:47 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Tab button or tab widget?
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Aug 1, 2023, at 8:39 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I have a tab button on a background. It does not seem to be getting menuPick. I tried mouseUp and that does not work, either. A checkbox on the same background does get a mouseUp. I tried beeps and puts, but nothing. (I’m switching to a card whose name is pChosenItem.)
>> 
>> Dar
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From paul at researchware.com  Tue Aug  1 13:06:34 2023
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2023 13:06:34 -0400
Subject: Snapshot of browser not working?
In-Reply-To: <CAGASioPth6ATxACRxucYPLm3njY3D-PUj+zq8EBTtcO_mhrnjA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGASioPth6ATxACRxucYPLm3njY3D-PUj+zq8EBTtcO_mhrnjA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <601f239b-8b6f-bb0f-b0ba-4a5ac78d29a6@researchware.com>

Exporting a snapshot of a PLAYER fails under Windows (see 
https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23694). Exporting the 
Browser widget may be related? If it is reproducible in a test stack, 
you shoud file a bug report with a test stack to demonstrate the error.

I seem to recall other export snapshot bugs. There is one related to 
multiple displays (https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=22852) 
and there may be others.

On 8/1/2023 11:46 AM, David Bovill via use-livecode wrote:
> I cannot find a specific bug report - but I am trying to take a snapshot of
> a browser widget to capture an image of the website. In the latest 10 DP 5
> on MacOS M2 i get a very truncated text of the image (a few lines) in all
> formats using:
>
> *export* snapshot from widget "Browser" to pictVariable as PNG
>
> Is this something that works on other  platforms or livecode versions?
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From gcanyon at gmail.com  Tue Aug  1 13:13:58 2023
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2023 10:13:58 -0700
Subject: Tab button is not getting messages
In-Reply-To: <87445B73-94CB-4ACE-825C-4F906ED1F177@swcp.com>
References: <43035845-9589-4802-9486-F49A05BE3C4B@swcp.com>
 <C1275E20-618D-484D-8BD5-3EEC6B1FB9AB@iotecdigital.com>
 <87445B73-94CB-4ACE-825C-4F906ED1F177@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <CAKCLKtrAvLEZ3vR2O5HyWwW6aqcSu8AOt8hwZn12haQu+tOKRw@mail.gmail.com>

place background <background name> onto card <card name>

There are other ways (cough, Navigator has built in support), but that
will do it.

On Tue, Aug 1, 2023 at 9:11 AM Dar Scott via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

>
> There’s a tab widget? Cool.
>
> I guess I’m using a tab button.
>
> I think I know what is the problem, though I don’t remember what I did to
> do cause it. Some of the backgrounds are really different; they just look
> the same. I edit the background (the tab button script) but the button
> script does not show up on most of the cards.
>
> How do I place the correct background on each card?
>
> Dar
>
>
> > On Aug 1, 2023, at 9:47 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Tab button or tab widget?
> >
> > Bob S
> >
> >
> >> On Aug 1, 2023, at 8:39 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> I have a tab button on a background. It does not seem to be getting
> menuPick. I tried mouseUp and that does not work, either. A checkbox on the
> same background does get a mouseUp. I tried beeps and puts, but nothing.
> (I’m switching to a card whose name is pChosenItem.)
> >>
> >> Dar
> >> _______________________________________________
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From panos.merakos at livecode.com  Fri Aug  4 09:47:40 2023
From: panos.merakos at livecode.com (panagiotis merakos)
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2023 16:47:40 +0300
Subject: [[ ANN ]] New Enhancements Bundle v1.0.32 available
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq_gY=t-8c=rOnxhQ2KWQOAp_dM3mfvwzgJ_oB3zWndSSA@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all,

Just to let you know that there is an update of the enhancements bundle
available in your account area.

Latest update 1.0.32: 4 August 2023

This update includes some bugfixes. I'll update BugZilla later tonight.

Note that when installing this new version using the stack
"WidgetPackInstaller.livecode" that is included in the bundle, you might
need to restart the LC IDE once (or twice) - you will get a dialog asking
you to do so.

Kind regards,
Panos


--

From marksmithhfx at gmail.com  Fri Aug  4 10:03:53 2023
From: marksmithhfx at gmail.com (Mark Smith)
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2023 15:03:53 +0100
Subject: [[ ANN ]] New Enhancements Bundle v1.0.32 available
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq_gY=t-8c=rOnxhQ2KWQOAp_dM3mfvwzgJ_oB3zWndSSA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+JfEq_gY=t-8c=rOnxhQ2KWQOAp_dM3mfvwzgJ_oB3zWndSSA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9D343B29-08A3-49FC-8298-D4B6F75488EC@gmail.com>

Hi Panos, while you are updating Bugzilla could you make a brief list of the bug fixes and post them here? 
Mark

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 4, 2023, at 2:49 PM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> Just to let you know that there is an update of the enhancements bundle
> available in your account area.
> 
> Latest update 1.0.32: 4 August 2023
> 
> This update includes some bugfixes. I'll update BugZilla later tonight.
> 
> Note that when installing this new version using the stack
> "WidgetPackInstaller.livecode" that is included in the bundle, you might
> need to restart the LC IDE once (or twice) - you will get a dialog asking
> you to do so.
> 
> Kind regards,
> Panos
> 
> 
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From klaus at major-k.de  Fri Aug  4 10:05:45 2023
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2023 16:05:45 +0200
Subject: [[ ANN ]] New Enhancements Bundle v1.0.32 available
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq_gY=t-8c=rOnxhQ2KWQOAp_dM3mfvwzgJ_oB3zWndSSA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+JfEq_gY=t-8c=rOnxhQ2KWQOAp_dM3mfvwzgJ_oB3zWndSSA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B390823B-DFE4-46CD-A3A9-294F175272FF@major-k.de>

Hi Panos,

> Am 04.08.2023 um 15:47 schrieb panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> Just to let you know that there is an update of the enhancements bundle
> available in your account area.
> Latest update 1.0.32: 4 August 2023
> This update includes some bugfixes. I'll update BugZilla later tonight.

thanks!

it might be agood idea to show the VERSION number in the filename, 
which still reads: livecode_enhancements-1_0_0.zip

> Note that when installing this new version using the stack
> "WidgetPackInstaller.livecode" that is included in the bundle, you might
> need to restart the LC IDE once (or twice) - you will get a dialog asking
> you to do so.

And it also shows the beloved "A stack with that name is already in memory..." 
(not funny!) however without the evil circle of death after clicking "Purge". 8-)

> Kind regards,
> Panos

Best

Klaus

--
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https://www.major-k.de
https://www.major-k.de/bass
klaus at major-k.de



From merakosp at gmail.com  Fri Aug  4 10:12:28 2023
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis m)
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2023 17:12:28 +0300
Subject: [[ ANN ]] New Enhancements Bundle v1.0.32 available
In-Reply-To: <B390823B-DFE4-46CD-A3A9-294F175272FF@major-k.de>
References: <CA+JfEq_gY=t-8c=rOnxhQ2KWQOAp_dM3mfvwzgJ_oB3zWndSSA@mail.gmail.com>
 <B390823B-DFE4-46CD-A3A9-294F175272FF@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq-ruUrtduZnAWkPp1TroqZW4uwhQeXMRM8kpREVMMgKZQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all,

@Mark
There is a file "changelog.txt" in the bundle that describes all the
bugfixes and new features that are added per widget.

@Klaus
Heh, I think the .zip file has this version (1_0_0) because it allows us to
update it more easily. If you unzip it, it should show the actual version:
"livecode_enhancements-1_0_32".

Kind regards,
Panos
--

On Fri, 4 Aug 2023 at 17:06, Klaus major-k via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi Panos,
>
> > Am 04.08.2023 um 15:47 schrieb panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> >
> > Hello all,
> >
> > Just to let you know that there is an update of the enhancements bundle
> > available in your account area.
> > Latest update 1.0.32: 4 August 2023
> > This update includes some bugfixes. I'll update BugZilla later tonight.
>
> thanks!
>
> it might be agood idea to show the VERSION number in the filename,
> which still reads: livecode_enhancements-1_0_0.zip
>
> > Note that when installing this new version using the stack
> > "WidgetPackInstaller.livecode" that is included in the bundle, you might
> > need to restart the LC IDE once (or twice) - you will get a dialog asking
> > you to do so.
>
> And it also shows the beloved "A stack with that name is already in
> memory..."
> (not funny!) however without the evil circle of death after clicking
> "Purge". 8-)
>
> > Kind regards,
> > Panos
>
> Best
>
> Klaus
>
> --
> Klaus Major
> https://www.major-k.de
> https://www.major-k.de/bass
> klaus at major-k.de
>
>
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From klaus at major-k.de  Fri Aug  4 10:16:53 2023
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2023 16:16:53 +0200
Subject: [[ ANN ]] New Enhancements Bundle v1.0.32 available
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq-ruUrtduZnAWkPp1TroqZW4uwhQeXMRM8kpREVMMgKZQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+JfEq_gY=t-8c=rOnxhQ2KWQOAp_dM3mfvwzgJ_oB3zWndSSA@mail.gmail.com>
 <B390823B-DFE4-46CD-A3A9-294F175272FF@major-k.de>
 <CA+JfEq-ruUrtduZnAWkPp1TroqZW4uwhQeXMRM8kpREVMMgKZQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8EFAABC0-FFB8-410F-B2CB-1FE25F5086A5@major-k.de>

Hi Panos,

> Am 04.08.2023 um 16:12 schrieb panagiotis m via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> @Mark
> There is a file "changelog.txt" in the bundle that describes all the
> bugfixes and new features that are added per widget.
> 
> @Klaus
> Heh, I think the .zip file has this version (1_0_0) because it allows us to
> update it more easily. If you unzip it, it should show the actual version:
> "livecode_enhancements-1_0_32".

OK, get it, they thou shalt be forgiven! :-D

> Kind regards,
> Panos
> --
> 
> On Fri, 4 Aug 2023 at 17:06, Klaus major-k via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Panos,
>> 
>>> Am 04.08.2023 um 15:47 schrieb panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>> 
>>> Hello all,
>>> 
>>> Just to let you know that there is an update of the enhancements bundle
>>> available in your account area.
>>> Latest update 1.0.32: 4 August 2023
>>> This update includes some bugfixes. I'll update BugZilla later tonight.
>> 
>> thanks!
>> 
>> it might be agood idea to show the VERSION number in the filename,
>> which still reads: livecode_enhancements-1_0_0.zip
>> 
>>> Note that when installing this new version using the stack
>>> "WidgetPackInstaller.livecode" that is included in the bundle, you might
>>> need to restart the LC IDE once (or twice) - you will get a dialog asking
>>> you to do so.
>> 
>> And it also shows the beloved "A stack with that name is already in
>> memory..."
>> (not funny!) however without the evil circle of death after clicking
>> "Purge". 8-)

Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
https://www.major-k.de
https://www.major-k.de/bass
klaus at major-k.de



From marksmithhfx at gmail.com  Fri Aug  4 10:18:28 2023
From: marksmithhfx at gmail.com (Mark Smith)
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2023 15:18:28 +0100
Subject: [[ ANN ]] New Enhancements Bundle v1.0.32 available
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq-ruUrtduZnAWkPp1TroqZW4uwhQeXMRM8kpREVMMgKZQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+JfEq_gY=t-8c=rOnxhQ2KWQOAp_dM3mfvwzgJ_oB3zWndSSA@mail.gmail.com>
 <B390823B-DFE4-46CD-A3A9-294F175272FF@major-k.de>
 <CA+JfEq-ruUrtduZnAWkPp1TroqZW4uwhQeXMRM8kpREVMMgKZQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00186242-1BF3-4431-8155-3B9E50AEE527@gmail.com>

Many thanks!!

> On 4 Aug 2023, at 3:12 pm, panagiotis m via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> @Mark
> There is a file "changelog.txt" in the bundle that describes all the
> bugfixes and new features that are added per widget.


From derek-lc-list at speedbump.io  Fri Aug  4 10:23:20 2023
From: derek-lc-list at speedbump.io (Derek Bump)
Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2023 14:23:20 +0000
Subject: [[ ANN ]] New Enhancements Bundle v1.0.32 available
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq_gY=t-8c=rOnxhQ2KWQOAp_dM3mfvwzgJ_oB3zWndSSA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+JfEq_gY=t-8c=rOnxhQ2KWQOAp_dM3mfvwzgJ_oB3zWndSSA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7-IZ5w3cxMIWVwf9cLAauFtIeZaYjW4cj9MXNvTlgP2Bf-WGpCy8_ppPBgzmWY6KrPfpgaL-pX7IJqu5wCVEd4FNMTNpqlAgonmj9v3n_nU=@speedbump.io>

Hello Panos,

Thank you! The enhancements bundle, specifically PolyList and PolyGrid, have been incredibly helpful in my projects.

I've noticed I have different versions of PolyList in the "Extensions" folder under my "My LiveCode" directory. How can I be sure the proper version is being loaded? Should I be clearing out the old versions, or does your installer handle that?

Thanks again,

Thank you,
Derek Bump


------- Original Message -------
On Friday, August 4th, 2023 at 08:47, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:


> 
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> Just to let you know that there is an update of the enhancements bundle
> available in your account area.
> 
> Latest update 1.0.32: 4 August 2023
> 
> This update includes some bugfixes. I'll update BugZilla later tonight.
> 
> Note that when installing this new version using the stack
> "WidgetPackInstaller.livecode" that is included in the bundle, you might
> need to restart the LC IDE once (or twice) - you will get a dialog asking
> you to do so.
> 
> Kind regards,
> Panos
> 
> 
> --
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From merakosp at gmail.com  Fri Aug  4 10:37:58 2023
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis m)
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2023 17:37:58 +0300
Subject: [[ ANN ]] New Enhancements Bundle v1.0.32 available
In-Reply-To: <7-IZ5w3cxMIWVwf9cLAauFtIeZaYjW4cj9MXNvTlgP2Bf-WGpCy8_ppPBgzmWY6KrPfpgaL-pX7IJqu5wCVEd4FNMTNpqlAgonmj9v3n_nU=@speedbump.io>
References: <CA+JfEq_gY=t-8c=rOnxhQ2KWQOAp_dM3mfvwzgJ_oB3zWndSSA@mail.gmail.com>
 <7-IZ5w3cxMIWVwf9cLAauFtIeZaYjW4cj9MXNvTlgP2Bf-WGpCy8_ppPBgzmWY6KrPfpgaL-pX7IJqu5wCVEd4FNMTNpqlAgonmj9v3n_nU=@speedbump.io>
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq_eQzpSA7T0_hnQw4rSc4p6TmQakGSc=OXhyUPNdCag8Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Derek,

Indeed, those 2 widgets are probably the ones I mostly use in my projects
as well!


*>>>>How can I be sure the proper version is being loaded? Should I be
clearing out the old versions, or does your installer handle that?*
The installer does handle that - it removes existing versions and installs
the newest ones.

Kind regards,
Panos
--

On Fri, 4 Aug 2023 at 17:24, Derek Bump via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hello Panos,
>
> Thank you! The enhancements bundle, specifically PolyList and PolyGrid,
> have been incredibly helpful in my projects.
>
> I've noticed I have different versions of PolyList in the "Extensions"
> folder under my "My LiveCode" directory. How can I be sure the proper
> version is being loaded? Should I be clearing out the old versions, or does
> your installer handle that?
>
> Thanks again,
>
> Thank you,
> Derek Bump
>
>
> ------- Original Message -------
> On Friday, August 4th, 2023 at 08:47, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>
> >
> >
> > Hello all,
> >
> > Just to let you know that there is an update of the enhancements bundle
> > available in your account area.
> >
> > Latest update 1.0.32: 4 August 2023
> >
> > This update includes some bugfixes. I'll update BugZilla later tonight.
> >
> > Note that when installing this new version using the stack
> > "WidgetPackInstaller.livecode" that is included in the bundle, you might
> > need to restart the LC IDE once (or twice) - you will get a dialog asking
> > you to do so.
> >
> > Kind regards,
> > Panos
> >
> >
> > --
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From derek-lc-list at speedbump.io  Fri Aug  4 11:03:58 2023
From: derek-lc-list at speedbump.io (Derek Bump)
Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2023 15:03:58 +0000
Subject: [[ ANN ]] New Enhancements Bundle v1.0.32 available
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq_eQzpSA7T0_hnQw4rSc4p6TmQakGSc=OXhyUPNdCag8Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+JfEq_gY=t-8c=rOnxhQ2KWQOAp_dM3mfvwzgJ_oB3zWndSSA@mail.gmail.com>
 <7-IZ5w3cxMIWVwf9cLAauFtIeZaYjW4cj9MXNvTlgP2Bf-WGpCy8_ppPBgzmWY6KrPfpgaL-pX7IJqu5wCVEd4FNMTNpqlAgonmj9v3n_nU=@speedbump.io>
 <CA+JfEq_eQzpSA7T0_hnQw4rSc4p6TmQakGSc=OXhyUPNdCag8Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7SCN-uX9JIHdPtBNI_GICg6CfTvB_7Sy7JTU0c4eo73V5jEcYXEh2-NHXaq_NW9SEPmD9mXuGp9q-F2T7nrIBA7NEukM_bSjNJTL9qLMwnM=@speedbump.io>

Hello Panos,

Excellent, thank you for the quick response.

Regards,
Derek Bump


------- Original Message -------
On Friday, August 4th, 2023 at 09:37, panagiotis m via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:


> 
> 
> Hello Derek,
> 
> Indeed, those 2 widgets are probably the ones I mostly use in my projects
> as well!
> 
> 
> *>>>>How can I be sure the proper version is being loaded? Should I be
> 
> clearing out the old versions, or does your installer handle that?*
> The installer does handle that - it removes existing versions and installs
> the newest ones.
> 
> Kind regards,
> Panos
> --
> 
> On Fri, 4 Aug 2023 at 17:24, Derek Bump via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> > Hello Panos,
> > 
> > Thank you! The enhancements bundle, specifically PolyList and PolyGrid,
> > have been incredibly helpful in my projects.
> > 
> > I've noticed I have different versions of PolyList in the "Extensions"
> > folder under my "My LiveCode" directory. How can I be sure the proper
> > version is being loaded? Should I be clearing out the old versions, or does
> > your installer handle that?
> > 
> > Thanks again,
> > 
> > Thank you,
> > Derek Bump
> > 
> > ------- Original Message -------
> > On Friday, August 4th, 2023 at 08:47, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > Hello all,
> > > 
> > > Just to let you know that there is an update of the enhancements bundle
> > > available in your account area.
> > > 
> > > Latest update 1.0.32: 4 August 2023
> > > 
> > > This update includes some bugfixes. I'll update BugZilla later tonight.
> > > 
> > > Note that when installing this new version using the stack
> > > "WidgetPackInstaller.livecode" that is included in the bundle, you might
> > > need to restart the LC IDE once (or twice) - you will get a dialog asking
> > > you to do so.
> > > 
> > > Kind regards,
> > > Panos
> > > 
> > > --
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> > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > > subscription preferences:
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> > 
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From gcanyon at gmail.com  Sat Aug  5 03:21:32 2023
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2023 00:21:32 -0700
Subject: If you're using the github version of Navigator, please update
Message-ID: <CAKCLKtqtfjfMzJ3jENB-5pw=ks81Yo4RUEGAh_13gdze6WSB9Q@mail.gmail.com>

Turns out I had a glitch I didn't notice with my github client, and no
updates were making it to main for some time now. So if you happen to have
installed Navigator by cloning the repo, now would be a good time to
update. Some improvements that have happened:

1. I  completely did away with the stack and card menus, replacing them
with a single Target menu (indicated by a bullseye). It lists every stack
with a submenu that includes things like Go (goes to the stack), Toplevel
(Toplevels the stack), Card List and Background List, and further submenus
for the cards and backgrounds, allowing you to focus on any of them.  This
fixes several small issues with the previous stack and card target menus.

Remember that Navigator can display multiple targets if you hold down the
Shift key while choosing a target -- you can have as many as you like,
subject to performance limitations.

Note: if anyone finds this menu to be too slow, let me know -- it does
count through all cards and backgrounds of every stack, but in my
experience unless you're dealing with literally tens of thousands of cards
it should be fine. I could write some sort of caching algorithm and make
updates manual -- or something, I haven't thought about it too much.

2. I improved the The MouseStack targeting functionality. I don't know what
I was thinking before with the usability of the click, or long-click, on
the menu. So at this point the menu is just a menu -- select "the
mouseStack" on the menu and you get the pointer bullseye, then click over
whatever target you like to select it in Navigator.

3. I switched to the merge function for the custom list display string.
This opens up a ridiculous set of possibilities if anyone cares to really
dig in.

If you find any bugs let me know.

From brian at milby7.com  Sat Aug  5 09:51:52 2023
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2023 09:51:52 -0400
Subject: If you're using the github version of Navigator, please update
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKtqtfjfMzJ3jENB-5pw=ks81Yo4RUEGAh_13gdze6WSB9Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKtqtfjfMzJ3jENB-5pw=ks81Yo4RUEGAh_13gdze6WSB9Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6FC62E02-9350-4612-BA3E-45F8F8776126@milby7.com>

Thanks for the heads up.  This is a great tool that I probably should be using more than I do.  I appreciate your work on this!

Brian Milby
brian at milby7.com

> On Aug 5, 2023, at 3:23 AM, Geoff Canyon via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Turns out I had a glitch I didn't notice with my github client, and no
> updates were making it to main for some time now. So if you happen to have
> installed Navigator by cloning the repo, now would be a good time to
> update. Some improvements that have happened:
> 
> 1. I  completely did away with the stack and card menus, replacing them
> with a single Target menu (indicated by a bullseye). It lists every stack
> with a submenu that includes things like Go (goes to the stack), Toplevel
> (Toplevels the stack), Card List and Background List, and further submenus
> for the cards and backgrounds, allowing you to focus on any of them.  This
> fixes several small issues with the previous stack and card target menus.
> 
> Remember that Navigator can display multiple targets if you hold down the
> Shift key while choosing a target -- you can have as many as you like,
> subject to performance limitations.
> 
> Note: if anyone finds this menu to be too slow, let me know -- it does
> count through all cards and backgrounds of every stack, but in my
> experience unless you're dealing with literally tens of thousands of cards
> it should be fine. I could write some sort of caching algorithm and make
> updates manual -- or something, I haven't thought about it too much.
> 
> 2. I improved the The MouseStack targeting functionality. I don't know what
> I was thinking before with the usability of the click, or long-click, on
> the menu. So at this point the menu is just a menu -- select "the
> mouseStack" on the menu and you get the pointer bullseye, then click over
> whatever target you like to select it in Navigator.
> 
> 3. I switched to the merge function for the custom list display string.
> This opens up a ridiculous set of possibilities if anyone cares to really
> dig in.
> 
> If you find any bugs let me know.
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
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> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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From andrew at midwestcoastmedia.com  Sat Aug  5 10:31:21 2023
From: andrew at midwestcoastmedia.com (Andrew at MidWest Coast Media)
Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2023 10:31:21 -0400
Subject: Snapshot of browser not working?
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1690905601.367122.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.1.1690905601.367122.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <EF8D1C73-6B75-4F51-BDC3-63838F149EC7@midwestcoastmedia.com>

I believe this is a bug/feature of the browser widget being a native control. What has worked for me is being more specific about the snapshot location.


      export snapshot from rect globalRect(the rect of widget “Browser" of group “foo") to pictVariable as PNG
    

This has worked in macOS and Windows standalones for a current project. Hope that helps!

—Andrew Bell


> Subject: Snapshot of browser not working?
> Message-ID:
> 	<CAGASioPth6ATxACRxucYPLm3njY3D-PUj+zq8EBTtcO_mhrnjA at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> 
> I cannot find a specific bug report - but I am trying to take a snapshot of
> a browser widget to capture an image of the website. In the latest 10 DP 5
> on MacOS M2 i get a very truncated text of the image (a few lines) in all
> formats using:
> 
> *export* snapshot from widget "Browser" to pictVariable as PNG
> 
> Is this something that works on other  platforms or livecode versions?
> 


From scott at elementarysoftware.com  Sun Aug  6 21:04:02 2023
From: scott at elementarysoftware.com (scott at elementarysoftware.com)
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2023 18:04:02 -0700
Subject: tsNetGet() on android
Message-ID: <78391A36-2711-4DB2-8511-8829B3594D0A@elementarysoftware.com>

I’m having difficulty using a LiveCode-created android app to read a  (4.7 KB) UTF-8 encoded text file off my server. Desktop and iOS versions of the app have no trouble. This is LC 9.6.9 (tsNet version 1.4.9 Business Edition) I don’t actually think this is a tsNet issue since I had previously been using “load URL” syntax and that failed on android as well.  The URL I am attempting to read is:

constant kSolutionsURL="https://elementarysoftware.com/wordlish/wordle_solutions_list.txt"

(I have tried variations using  http:// ,  www.  and also,  not using a constant)

The call to tsNet is formatted:

put tsNetGet("1", kSolutionsURL, tHeaders, "tsNetTransferComplete") into tResult

The (curl?) error I am getting from tsNet is:

tsneterr: (6) Could not resolve host: elementarysoftware.com <http://elementarysoftware.com/>

This seems like such a simple thing, so I’m hoping for an idea from the collective. (After which I will slap my forehead and say, “Duh!”)

--
Scott Morrow

Elementary Software
(Now with 20% less chalk dust!)
web       https://elementarysoftware.com/
email     scott at elementarysoftware.com
booth    1-360-734-4701
------------------------------------------------------









From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Aug  6 22:13:17 2023
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2023 21:13:17 -0500
Subject: tsNetGet() on android
In-Reply-To: <78391A36-2711-4DB2-8511-8829B3594D0A@elementarysoftware.com>
References: <78391A36-2711-4DB2-8511-8829B3594D0A@elementarysoftware.com>
Message-ID: <189cdc52648.276f.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>

It might be due to a insidious trick that caught me out. It also caught the 
person who helped me, who said he only knew about it because it got him too.

I assume you already have the right inclusions, but you may have missed the 
permissions checkbox in the Android pane of standalone settings. There's an 
Internet permission in there. Surprise!

If that isn't the problem then...um...?

--
Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
On August 6, 2023 8:06:36 PM scott--- via use-livecode 
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Im having difficulty using a LiveCode-created android app to read a  (4.7 
> KB) UTF-8 encoded text file off my server. Desktop and iOS versions of the 
> app have no trouble. This is LC 9.6.9 (tsNet version 1.4.9 Business 
> Edition) I dont actually think this is a tsNet issue since I had 
> previously been using load URL syntax and that failed on android as well. 
>  The URL I am attempting to read is:
>
> constant 
> kSolutionsURL="https://elementarysoftware.com/wordlish/wordle_solutions_list.txt"
>
> (I have tried variations using  http:// ,  www.  and also,  not using a 
> constant)
>
> The call to tsNet is formatted:
>
> put tsNetGet("1", kSolutionsURL, tHeaders, "tsNetTransferComplete") into 
> tResult
>
> The (curl?) error I am getting from tsNet is:
>
> tsneterr: (6) Could not resolve host: elementarysoftware.com 
> <http://elementarysoftware.com/>
>
> This seems like such a simple thing, so Im hoping for an idea from the 
> collective. (After which I will slap my forehead and say, Duh!)
>
> --
> Scott Morrow
>
> Elementary Software
> (Now with 20% less chalk dust!)
> web       https://elementarysoftware.com/
> email     scott at elementarysoftware.com
> booth    1-360-734-4701
> ------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Sun Aug  6 22:29:04 2023
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2023 19:29:04 -0700
Subject: tsNetGet() on android
In-Reply-To: <78391A36-2711-4DB2-8511-8829B3594D0A@elementarysoftware.com>
References: <78391A36-2711-4DB2-8511-8829B3594D0A@elementarysoftware.com>
Message-ID: <b3360049-a65d-a5be-f22d-bf4f82a8ce6a@sonic.net>

On 8/6/23 18:04, scott--- via use-livecode wrote:
> Im having difficulty using a LiveCode-created android app to read a  (4.7 KB) UTF-8 encoded text file off my server. Desktop and iOS versions of the app have no trouble. This is LC 9.6.9 (tsNet version 1.4.9 Business Edition) I dont actually think this is a tsNet issue since I had previously been using load URL syntax and that failed on android as well.  The URL I am attempting to read is:
> 
> constant kSolutionsURL="https://elementarysoftware.com/wordlish/wordle_solutions_list.txt"
> 
> (I have tried variations using  http:// ,  www.  and also,  not using a constant)
> 
> The call to tsNet is formatted:
> 
> put tsNetGet("1", kSolutionsURL, tHeaders, "tsNetTransferComplete") into tResult
> 
> The (curl?) error I am getting from tsNet is:
> 
> tsneterr: (6) Could not resolve host: elementarysoftware.com <http://elementarysoftware.com/>
> 
> This seems like such a simple thing, so Im hoping for an idea from the collective. (After which I will slap my forehead and say, Duh!)

Your constant uses "https" but the error message says "http"?
That's weird.
Have you tried using 192.99.207.157 instead? That should eliminate dns 
as a variable.


-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From scott at elementarysoftware.com  Mon Aug  7 00:35:06 2023
From: scott at elementarysoftware.com (scott at elementarysoftware.com)
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2023 21:35:06 -0700
Subject: tsNetGet() on android
In-Reply-To: <b3360049-a65d-a5be-f22d-bf4f82a8ce6a@sonic.net>
References: <78391A36-2711-4DB2-8511-8829B3594D0A@elementarysoftware.com>
 <b3360049-a65d-a5be-f22d-bf4f82a8ce6a@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <7779CFF0-DC6F-4E2C-9587-4FFB964355CE@elementarysoftware.com>

@Mark:  I thought that “http” being reported in the error was weird when the constant used “https” but what do I know.

@Jacque:  Nailed it!  Works as expected now. (Forehead slap was gentle but firm)

Thank you both!
—
Scott

> On Aug 6, 2023, at 7:29 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> On 8/6/23 18:04, scott--- via use-livecode wrote:
>> I’m having difficulty using a LiveCode-created android app to read a  (4.7 KB) UTF-8 encoded text file off my server. Desktop and iOS versions of the app have no trouble. This is LC 9.6.9 (tsNet version 1.4.9 Business Edition) I don’t actually think this is a tsNet issue since I had previously been using “load URL” syntax and that failed on android as well.  The URL I am attempting to read is:
>> constant kSolutionsURL="https://elementarysoftware.com/wordlish/wordle_solutions_list.txt"
>> (I have tried variations using  http:// ,  www.  and also,  not using a constant)
>> The call to tsNet is formatted:
>> put tsNetGet("1", kSolutionsURL, tHeaders, "tsNetTransferComplete") into tResult
>> The (curl?) error I am getting from tsNet is:
>> tsneterr: (6) Could not resolve host: elementarysoftware.com <http://elementarysoftware.com/>
>> This seems like such a simple thing, so I’m hoping for an idea from the collective. (After which I will slap my forehead and say, “Duh!”)
> 
> Your constant uses "https" but the error message says "http"?
> That's weird.
> Have you tried using 192.99.207.157 instead? That should eliminate dns as a variable.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Mark Wieder
> ahsoftware at gmail.com
> 


> 
> It might be due to a insidious trick that caught me out. It also caught the person who helped me, who said he only knew about it because it got him too.
> 
> I assume you already have the right inclusions, but you may have missed the permissions checkbox in the Android pane of standalone settings. There's an Internet permission in there. Surprise!
> 
> If that isn't the problem then...um...?
> 
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From dsc at swcp.com  Mon Aug  7 13:37:03 2023
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2023 11:37:03 -0600
Subject: Light Windows programs takes 40 s to load
Message-ID: <1032DDA5-E409-49DA-8165-B888D1191233@swcp.com>


Greetings!

A made a stack with very little script—just enough to exercise the GUI.

(I couldn’t build a Mac app; more on that as a separate question.)

I build a Windows app from my Mac. It takes 40 seconds to load. What might I be doing wrong?

I can set up a flash screen, but I’m lazy. Even so, 2/3 of a minute.

Dar

From merakosp at gmail.com  Mon Aug  7 13:42:57 2023
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis m)
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2023 20:42:57 +0300
Subject: Light Windows programs takes 40 s to load
In-Reply-To: <1032DDA5-E409-49DA-8165-B888D1191233@swcp.com>
References: <1032DDA5-E409-49DA-8165-B888D1191233@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq9brM_rn=a-N9gZ3LaT42QqS5VK08TsYQekbRSteuLUjA@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Dar,

Could you quit the printer spooler process ( from the task manager or from
Windows CMD) and try again?

Cheers,
Panos

On Mon, 7 Aug 2023, 20:38 Dar Scott via use-livecode, <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

>
> Greetings!
>
> A made a stack with very little script—just enough to exercise the GUI.
>
> (I couldn’t build a Mac app; more on that as a separate question.)
>
> I build a Windows app from my Mac. It takes 40 seconds to load. What might
> I be doing wrong?
>
> I can set up a flash screen, but I’m lazy. Even so, 2/3 of a minute.
>
> Dar
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From dsc at swcp.com  Mon Aug  7 13:46:57 2023
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2023 11:46:57 -0600
Subject: Unable to build for Mac: adding ad-hoc signature failed
Message-ID: <092054D1-2815-43AA-9869-4F67A1A545FD@swcp.com>


I’m having trouble building an application for Mac Intel.

The first time LiveCode crashed.

Subsequent times, I get this error:
There was an error while saving the standalone application
Adding ad-hoc signature failed with error:
/…/myProgram.app:
Replacing existing signature
/…/myProgram.app:
Resource for, Finder information, or similar detritus not
Allowed

I tried fiddling with the PLIST settings without success.

From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Aug  7 13:57:56 2023
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2023 12:57:56 -0500
Subject: tsNetGet() on android
In-Reply-To: <7779CFF0-DC6F-4E2C-9587-4FFB964355CE@elementarysoftware.com>
References: <78391A36-2711-4DB2-8511-8829B3594D0A@elementarysoftware.com>
 <b3360049-a65d-a5be-f22d-bf4f82a8ce6a@sonic.net>
 <7779CFF0-DC6F-4E2C-9587-4FFB964355CE@elementarysoftware.com>
Message-ID: <189d12600a0.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>

 Cool. So, someone helped someone who helped me who helped you. Your turn.

:)
--
Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
On August 6, 2023 11:37:26 PM scott--- via use-livecode 
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> @Jacque:  Nailed it!  Works as expected now. (Forehead slap was gentle but 
> firm)




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Aug  7 17:43:42 2023
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2023 16:43:42 -0500
Subject: Unable to build for Mac: adding ad-hoc signature failed
In-Reply-To: <092054D1-2815-43AA-9869-4F67A1A545FD@swcp.com>
References: <092054D1-2815-43AA-9869-4F67A1A545FD@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <189d1f4b2b0.276f.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>

This might help:
<https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/qa/qa1940/_index.html>
--
Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
On August 7, 2023 12:49:03 PM Dar Scott via use-livecode 
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Im having trouble building an application for Mac Intel.
>
> The first time LiveCode crashed.
>
> Subsequent times, I get this error:
> There was an error while saving the standalone application
> Adding ad-hoc signature failed with error:
> //myProgram.app:
> Replacing existing signature
> //myProgram.app:
> Resource for, Finder information, or similar detritus not
> Allowed
>
> I tried fiddling with the PLIST settings without success.
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Aug  7 18:48:27 2023
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2023 22:48:27 +0000
Subject: Bug or...? Native Querying
Message-ID: <105A7904-B04B-4473-8004-424F4636D060@iotecdigital.com>

I have code that uses the native API for SQL (as opposed to sqlYoga) because I have to do some joining that I do not know how to do with sqlYoga. The query string looks like this: 

select fileid,filename,fileversion,filecategory,custid,siteid,deviceid,serviceid,softwareid,parentidlist,filemodified,tempfilemodified,tmpfilesmodified,checkoutid,checkoutname,checkoutpath,rfapath,lastupdate,updateby 
from files t1 
where custid = 56;

When I execute this query in mySQLWorkbench, I get 6 records. When I use the native API: 

put revQueryDatabase( tDBID, tSQL) into tCursor

Then I get the revNumberOfRecords(tCursor), but it’s only 5!!!!!

The same query gets 6 using mySQLWorkbench and only 5 are counted in the cursor! 

Please tell my I haven’t stumbled across a Lex Luther universe! 

Bob S


From dan at clearvisiontech.com  Mon Aug  7 18:56:04 2023
From: dan at clearvisiontech.com (Dan Friedman)
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2023 22:56:04 +0000
Subject: Consumable In App Purchases on Android
In-Reply-To: <189d1f4b2b0.276f.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <092054D1-2815-43AA-9869-4F67A1A545FD@swcp.com>
 <189d1f4b2b0.276f.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <BYAPR12MB27098554E36FF3103EE5E83FB90CA@BYAPR12MB2709.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>

Does anyone have any experience with consumable in-app purchases on Android?   I can’t seem to figure out how to (1) create a consumable product, and (2) how to consume it.   mobileStoreConsumePurchase pProductID doesn’t seem to function right… I get back a result that is “true”, but attempting to purchase the same product, returns “alreadyEntitled”.

The “How do I implement in-app purchases in LiveCode - Google Play Store?” lesson says:  click "In-App Products” and click “Add new product”.  From there, follow the instructions to create the type of in-app purchase you wish to use.

In Google Play Console > Monitize > In-App Products > Create Product, there isn’t a place to select the type of in-app purchase.

Any insight or instructions you may have would be greatly appreciated!!

-Dan

From selander at tkf.att.ne.jp  Mon Aug  7 18:56:50 2023
From: selander at tkf.att.ne.jp (Tim Selander)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 07:56:50 +0900
Subject: Uploading progress bar
Message-ID: <88723a3a-4f10-3988-1911-11a56e1a2fc2@tkf.att.ne.jp>

We are airing a kid's anime program on TV this fall, and are encouraging 
parents to video their kids singing the theme song -- which we'll air at 
the end of the program.

Using LC Server, I made a simple page for the parents to use to upload 
the videos. It's working fine, but I would like to add a progress bar to 
give some kind of user feedback as the upload can take 2 or 3 minutes.

I've found several php scripts that do this, which look great but I have 
no idea how it works, but can anyone tell me how I could do this in LC?

Any and all tips appreciated!

Tim Selander
Tokyo, Japan


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Aug  7 19:02:05 2023
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2023 23:02:05 +0000
Subject: Bug or...? Native Querying
In-Reply-To: <105A7904-B04B-4473-8004-424F4636D060@iotecdigital.com>
References: <105A7904-B04B-4473-8004-424F4636D060@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <BD28860E-98DB-4B49-9199-3D28B9DCE852@iotecdigital.com>

<sigh> I spoke too soon. I appended some SQL onto the initial query and there was an error in the SQL. I used

...where custid = 56 AND fileversion = (select max(fileversion) from files t2 where t2.filename = t1.filename)

I should have used

...where custid = 56 AND fileversion = (select max(t1.fileversion) from files t2 where t2.filename = t1.filename)

I was making an ambiguous reference to fileversion. Odd that the SQL ran anyway. Apparently if the reference is inside a function, mySQL does not balk!

Bob S



On Aug 7, 2023, at 3:48 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

I have code that uses the native API for SQL (as opposed to sqlYoga) because I have to do some joining that I do not know how to do with sqlYoga. The query string looks like this:

select fileid,filename,fileversion,filecategory,custid,siteid,deviceid,serviceid,softwareid,parentidlist,filemodified,tempfilemodified,tmpfilesmodified,checkoutid,checkoutname,checkoutpath,rfapath,lastupdate,updateby
from files t1
where custid = 56;

When I execute this query in mySQLWorkbench, I get 6 records. When I use the native API:

put revQueryDatabase( tDBID, tSQL) into tCursor

Then I get the revNumberOfRecords(tCursor), but it’s only 5!!!!!

The same query gets 6 using mySQLWorkbench and only 5 are counted in the cursor!

Please tell my I haven’t stumbled across a Lex Luther universe!

Bob S


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Aug  7 19:14:44 2023
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2023 23:14:44 +0000
Subject: Bug or...? Native Querying
In-Reply-To: <BD28860E-98DB-4B49-9199-3D28B9DCE852@iotecdigital.com>
References: <105A7904-B04B-4473-8004-424F4636D060@iotecdigital.com>
 <BD28860E-98DB-4B49-9199-3D28B9DCE852@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <F91F7325-51D4-49FF-A23D-DD70BF0DCDDE@iotecdigital.com>

Final correction and then I’ll shut up. Should have read

…where custid = 56 AND fileversion = (select max(t2.fileversion) from files t2 where t2.filename = t1.filename)

MAN that is complicated!

Bob S


On Aug 7, 2023, at 4:01 PM, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com> wrote:

<sigh> I spoke too soon. I appended some SQL onto the initial query and there was an error in the SQL. I used

...where custid = 56 AND fileversion = (select max(fileversion) from files t2 where t2.filename = t1.filename)

I should have used

...where custid = 56 AND fileversion = (select max(t1.fileversion) from files t2 where t2.filename = t1.filename)

I was making an ambiguous reference to fileversion. Odd that the SQL ran anyway. Apparently if the reference is inside a function, mySQL does not balk!

Bob S



On Aug 7, 2023, at 3:48 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

I have code that uses the native API for SQL (as opposed to sqlYoga) because I have to do some joining that I do not know how to do with sqlYoga. The query string looks like this:

select fileid,filename,fileversion,filecategory,custid,siteid,deviceid,serviceid,softwareid,parentidlist,filemodified,tempfilemodified,tmpfilesmodified,checkoutid,checkoutname,checkoutpath,rfapath,lastupdate,updateby
from files t1
where custid = 56;

When I execute this query in mySQLWorkbench, I get 6 records. When I use the native API:

put revQueryDatabase( tDBID, tSQL) into tCursor

Then I get the revNumberOfRecords(tCursor), but it’s only 5!!!!!

The same query gets 6 using mySQLWorkbench and only 5 are counted in the cursor!

Please tell my I haven’t stumbled across a Lex Luther universe!

Bob S



From bdrunrev at gmail.com  Tue Aug  8 02:57:37 2023
From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 07:57:37 +0100
Subject: If you're using the github version of Navigator, please update
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKtqtfjfMzJ3jENB-5pw=ks81Yo4RUEGAh_13gdze6WSB9Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKtqtfjfMzJ3jENB-5pw=ks81Yo4RUEGAh_13gdze6WSB9Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+O+R-GZ5vSZ6-m99eosCtMYNtH+FFNwp+4_5nqJ6xY4bAbmGg@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for reminding me to re-install a copy, Geoff.  I've been away from
LC development for a year or so, started again using a new machine, and had
forgotten how much I like using your tool.  I just downloaded v 7.5 RC2
from your Wordpress site, which looks like it's at the cutting edge along
with the Github version.

I would suggest you put the URL to the documentation in your signature.
Probably most LC users have no idea what they are missing!
https://gcanyon.wordpress.com/navigator-documentation/

Regards
Bernard

On Sat, Aug 5, 2023 at 8:23 AM Geoff Canyon via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Turns out I had a glitch I didn't notice with my github client, and no
> updates were making it to main for some time now. So if you happen to have
> installed Navigator by cloning the repo, now would be a good time to
> update. Some improvements that have happened:
>
>
>

From dsc at swcp.com  Tue Aug  8 09:59:24 2023
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 07:59:24 -0600
Subject: Unable to build for Mac: adding ad-hoc signature failed
In-Reply-To: <189d1f4b2b0.276f.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <092054D1-2815-43AA-9869-4F67A1A545FD@swcp.com>
 <189d1f4b2b0.276f.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <791E7A1D-BB61-4C02-8D8B-F172C8C8AA88@swcp.com>

Thanks, Jacque!

That gives me a clue. I will try to get more info on this.

However, that note shows how to delete the offending resource using the xattr tool, but I have no app to point it to. LiveCode did not build anything.

I’m willing to try some magic values in Standalone Application Settings.
	I’m using LiveCode 9.6.9, but I’m willing to upgrade.
	I’m on macOS Ventura.

Has anyone successfully built a Mac application recently?

Dar

> On Aug 7, 2023, at 3:43 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> This might help:
> <https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/qa/qa1940/_index.html>
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> On August 7, 2023 12:49:03 PM Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> I’m having trouble building an application for Mac Intel.
>> 
>> The first time LiveCode crashed.
>> 
>> Subsequent times, I get this error:
>> There was an error while saving the standalone application
>> Adding ad-hoc signature failed with error:
>> /…/myProgram.app:
>> Replacing existing signature
>> /…/myProgram.app:
>> Resource for, Finder information, or similar detritus not
>> Allowed
>> 
>> I tried fiddling with the PLIST settings without success.
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From gcanyon at gmail.com  Tue Aug  8 10:03:41 2023
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 07:03:41 -0700
Subject: If you're using the github version of Navigator, please update
In-Reply-To: <CA+O+R-GZ5vSZ6-m99eosCtMYNtH+FFNwp+4_5nqJ6xY4bAbmGg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKtqtfjfMzJ3jENB-5pw=ks81Yo4RUEGAh_13gdze6WSB9Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <CA+O+R-GZ5vSZ6-m99eosCtMYNtH+FFNwp+4_5nqJ6xY4bAbmGg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKCLKtq8rvDt4znc4--x5+2OTSmZpRuCKg66OkoE-xdOHf04rw@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for the suggestion, Bernard. Note that in a moment of whimsy I
switched development of the documentation from wordpress to wix. So
documentation on wordpress stops at version 6. Everything more recent is
here: https://gcanyon.wixsite.com/navigator

But even that's slightly out of date. I'll update soon.

Thanks!

Geoff

On Mon, Aug 7, 2023 at 11:59 PM Bernard Devlin via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Thanks for reminding me to re-install a copy, Geoff.  I've been away from
> LC development for a year or so, started again using a new machine, and had
> forgotten how much I like using your tool.  I just downloaded v 7.5 RC2
> from your Wordpress site, which looks like it's at the cutting edge along
> with the Github version.
>
> I would suggest you put the URL to the documentation in your signature.
> Probably most LC users have no idea what they are missing!
> https://gcanyon.wordpress.com/navigator-documentation/
>
> Regards
> Bernard
>
> On Sat, Aug 5, 2023 at 8:23 AM Geoff Canyon via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > Turns out I had a glitch I didn't notice with my github client, and no
> > updates were making it to main for some time now. So if you happen to
> have
> > installed Navigator by cloning the repo, now would be a good time to
> > update. Some improvements that have happened:
> >
> >
> >
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> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
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From dsc at swcp.com  Tue Aug  8 10:26:42 2023
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 08:26:42 -0600
Subject: Light Windows programs takes 40 s to load
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq9brM_rn=a-N9gZ3LaT42QqS5VK08TsYQekbRSteuLUjA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1032DDA5-E409-49DA-8165-B888D1191233@swcp.com>
 <CA+JfEq9brM_rn=a-N9gZ3LaT42QqS5VK08TsYQekbRSteuLUjA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D0B46E71-3640-4B7C-A6D7-4D3CF5D833F1@swcp.com>

Sure, Panos! Uh, what’s its name?

> On Aug 7, 2023, at 11:42 AM, panagiotis m via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello Dar,
> 
> Could you quit the printer spooler process ( from the task manager or from
> Windows CMD) and try again?
> 
> Cheers,
> Panos
> 
> On Mon, 7 Aug 2023, 20:38 Dar Scott via use-livecode, <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Greetings!
>> 
>> A made a stack with very little script—just enough to exercise the GUI.
>> 
>> (I couldn’t build a Mac app; more on that as a separate question.)
>> 
>> I build a Windows app from my Mac. It takes 40 seconds to load. What might
>> I be doing wrong?
>> 
>> I can set up a flash screen, but I’m lazy. Even so, 2/3 of a minute.
>> 
>> Dar
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
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From merakosp at gmail.com  Tue Aug  8 11:14:12 2023
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis m)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 18:14:12 +0300
Subject: Light Windows programs takes 40 s to load
In-Reply-To: <D0B46E71-3640-4B7C-A6D7-4D3CF5D833F1@swcp.com>
References: <1032DDA5-E409-49DA-8165-B888D1191233@swcp.com>
 <CA+JfEq9brM_rn=a-N9gZ3LaT42QqS5VK08TsYQekbRSteuLUjA@mail.gmail.com>
 <D0B46E71-3640-4B7C-A6D7-4D3CF5D833F1@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq9Om9_V3MPxnPY-BFcY91B1RrsZQLvyrpVCKxx9K8-jkg@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Dar,

So, try this:

1. Open Windows Task Manager
2. Search for a process named "Spooler Subsystem app" or just "Print
Spooler"
3. Force quit this process

Now open your standalone and see if it starts immediately.

Cheers,
Panos
--

On Tue, 8 Aug 2023 at 17:27, Dar Scott via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Sure, Panos! Uh, what’s its name?
>
> > On Aug 7, 2023, at 11:42 AM, panagiotis m via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Dar,
> >
> > Could you quit the printer spooler process ( from the task manager or
> from
> > Windows CMD) and try again?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Panos
> >
> > On Mon, 7 Aug 2023, 20:38 Dar Scott via use-livecode, <
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Greetings!
> >>
> >> A made a stack with very little script—just enough to exercise the GUI.
> >>
> >> (I couldn’t build a Mac app; more on that as a separate question.)
> >>
> >> I build a Windows app from my Mac. It takes 40 seconds to load. What
> might
> >> I be doing wrong?
> >>
> >> I can set up a flash screen, but I’m lazy. Even so, 2/3 of a minute.
> >>
> >> Dar
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Aug  8 11:35:14 2023
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 15:35:14 +0000
Subject: Light Windows programs takes 40 s to load
In-Reply-To: <D0B46E71-3640-4B7C-A6D7-4D3CF5D833F1@swcp.com>
References: <1032DDA5-E409-49DA-8165-B888D1191233@swcp.com>
 <CA+JfEq9brM_rn=a-N9gZ3LaT42QqS5VK08TsYQekbRSteuLUjA@mail.gmail.com>
 <D0B46E71-3640-4B7C-A6D7-4D3CF5D833F1@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <A1C0E01F-D49D-4B57-AB27-877CBA2E6072@iotecdigital.com>

Pardon me if you know this already. Apps that are capable of printing will attempt to connect to the default printer upon launch. Panos is trying to isolate an issue where if the default printer is unresponsive, your app will wait until the process times out before proceeding. In Windows the Print Spooler service is the broker for all print processes. Stopping this service will prevent the long timeout.

If using Windows, pop the Windows menu then start typing the word, “Service”. Once you see “Services” open it, then find the Print Spooler service (the list is Hot Typable but you have to select one of the services first, otherwise just scroll down) the slick the Stop Service button.

BTW I would not use the task manager for this. I do not see either of those names in my tasks. I think the Print Spooler task is actually named Spoolsv.

Bob S


On Aug 8, 2023, at 7:26 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

Sure, Panos! Uh, what’s its name?


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Aug  8 11:44:23 2023
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2023 10:44:23 -0500
Subject: Unable to build for Mac: adding ad-hoc signature failed
In-Reply-To: <791E7A1D-BB61-4C02-8D8B-F172C8C8AA88@swcp.com>
References: <092054D1-2815-43AA-9869-4F67A1A545FD@swcp.com>
 <189d1f4b2b0.276f.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <791E7A1D-BB61-4C02-8D8B-F172C8C8AA88@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <189d5d217d8.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>

I built a Mac standalone about 3 weeks ago without issue using an RC 
version of 9.6.9. I'm still on Monterey though. Do you have any inclusions 
selected or files in the Copy Files pane of the standalone settings? If so, 
try building without them and see what happens.

--
Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
On August 8, 2023 9:01:54 AM Dar Scott via use-livecode 
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Thanks, Jacque!
>
> That gives me a clue. I will try to get more info on this.
>
> However, that note shows how to delete the offending resource using the 
> xattr tool, but I have no app to point it to. LiveCode did not build anything.
>
> Im willing to try some magic values in Standalone Application Settings.
> 	Im using LiveCode 9.6.9, but Im willing to upgrade.
> 	Im on macOS Ventura.
>
> Has anyone successfully built a Mac application recently?
>
> Dar
>
>> On Aug 7, 2023, at 3:43 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> This might help:
>> <https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/qa/qa1940/_index.html>
>> --
>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>> On August 7, 2023 12:49:03 PM Dar Scott via use-livecode 
>> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Im having trouble building an application for Mac Intel.
>>>
>>> The first time LiveCode crashed.
>>>
>>> Subsequent times, I get this error:
>>> There was an error while saving the standalone application
>>> Adding ad-hoc signature failed with error:
>>> //myProgram.app:
>>> Replacing existing signature
>>> //myProgram.app:
>>> Resource for, Finder information, or similar detritus not
>>> Allowed
>>>
>>> I tried fiddling with the PLIST settings without success.
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>>
>>
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Aug  8 11:45:40 2023
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 15:45:40 +0000
Subject: Unable to build for Mac: adding ad-hoc signature failed
In-Reply-To: <791E7A1D-BB61-4C02-8D8B-F172C8C8AA88@swcp.com>
References: <092054D1-2815-43AA-9869-4F67A1A545FD@swcp.com>
 <189d1f4b2b0.276f.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <791E7A1D-BB61-4C02-8D8B-F172C8C8AA88@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <BCDED9A6-42C2-43F6-B54E-D9618E0F8BD6@iotecdigital.com>

I have, but I don’t do any signing or notarizing. If that happens transparently, then it’s working for me. 

Bob S


> On Aug 8, 2023, at 6:59 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Thanks, Jacque!
> 
> That gives me a clue. I will try to get more info on this.
> 
> However, that note shows how to delete the offending resource using the xattr tool, but I have no app to point it to. LiveCode did not build anything.
> 
> I’m willing to try some magic values in Standalone Application Settings.
> 	I’m using LiveCode 9.6.9, but I’m willing to upgrade.
> 	I’m on macOS Ventura.
> 
> Has anyone successfully built a Mac application recently?
> 
> Dar
> 
>> On Aug 7, 2023, at 3:43 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> This might help:
>> <https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/qa/qa1940/_index.html>
>> --
>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>> On August 7, 2023 12:49:03 PM Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I’m having trouble building an application for Mac Intel.
>>> 
>>> The first time LiveCode crashed.
>>> 
>>> Subsequent times, I get this error:
>>> There was an error while saving the standalone application
>>> Adding ad-hoc signature failed with error:
>>> /…/myProgram.app:
>>> Replacing existing signature
>>> /…/myProgram.app:
>>> Resource for, Finder information, or similar detritus not
>>> Allowed
>>> 
>>> I tried fiddling with the PLIST settings without success.
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From marksmithhfx at gmail.com  Tue Aug  8 12:07:12 2023
From: marksmithhfx at gmail.com (Mark Smith)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 17:07:12 +0100
Subject: Unable to build for Mac: adding ad-hoc signature failed
In-Reply-To: <791E7A1D-BB61-4C02-8D8B-F172C8C8AA88@swcp.com>
References: <092054D1-2815-43AA-9869-4F67A1A545FD@swcp.com>
 <189d1f4b2b0.276f.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <791E7A1D-BB61-4C02-8D8B-F172C8C8AA88@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <60649154-A10E-4DBA-88B3-6B6576D7A59B@gmail.com>

Hi Dar,

I just built one unsigned and it worked fine. Will you be signing it for distribution in the Mac App store as well? 

Mark

> On 8 Aug 2023, at 2:59 pm, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Thanks, Jacque!
> 
> That gives me a clue. I will try to get more info on this.
> 
> However, that note shows how to delete the offending resource using the xattr tool, but I have no app to point it to. LiveCode did not build anything.
> 
> I’m willing to try some magic values in Standalone Application Settings.
> 	I’m using LiveCode 9.6.9, but I’m willing to upgrade.
> 	I’m on macOS Ventura.
> 
> Has anyone successfully built a Mac application recently?
> 
> Dar
> 
>> On Aug 7, 2023, at 3:43 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> This might help:
>> <https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/qa/qa1940/_index.html>
>> --
>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>> On August 7, 2023 12:49:03 PM Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I’m having trouble building an application for Mac Intel.
>>> 
>>> The first time LiveCode crashed.
>>> 
>>> Subsequent times, I get this error:
>>> There was an error while saving the standalone application
>>> Adding ad-hoc signature failed with error:
>>> /…/myProgram.app:
>>> Replacing existing signature
>>> /…/myProgram.app:
>>> Resource for, Finder information, or similar detritus not
>>> Allowed
>>> 
>>> I tried fiddling with the PLIST settings without success.
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From merakosp at gmail.com  Tue Aug  8 12:07:42 2023
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis m)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 19:07:42 +0300
Subject: Light Windows programs takes 40 s to load
In-Reply-To: <A1C0E01F-D49D-4B57-AB27-877CBA2E6072@iotecdigital.com>
References: <1032DDA5-E409-49DA-8165-B888D1191233@swcp.com>
 <CA+JfEq9brM_rn=a-N9gZ3LaT42QqS5VK08TsYQekbRSteuLUjA@mail.gmail.com>
 <D0B46E71-3640-4B7C-A6D7-4D3CF5D833F1@swcp.com>
 <A1C0E01F-D49D-4B57-AB27-877CBA2E6072@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq8o5fPwQHTTimC3tgZEa2S8C-adJDws6ig=qKpDq+WX0A@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all,

We recently fixed a bug (affecting mainly Windows 11) where the LC
installer, the LC IDE and Windows standalones were crashing on startup. It
turned out this was caused if some generic printer drivers were installed
in the device, and installing the official printer drivers from the
vendor's website prevented the crash. We had reports for Brother printers,
Epson and HP if I remember correctly.

The fix we added did fix the crash, but in some cases caused a delay on
startup, if the device still had the "generic" printer driver installed.

That's why I asked to quit the printer spooler and try again - if it works
with the printer spooler not running, it means that this device has a
"generic" printer driver installed, so Dar could just install the official
driver from the vendor's website and have the issue fixed.

Kind regards,
Panos



On Tue, 8 Aug 2023 at 18:36, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Pardon me if you know this already. Apps that are capable of printing will
> attempt to connect to the default printer upon launch. Panos is trying to
> isolate an issue where if the default printer is unresponsive, your app
> will wait until the process times out before proceeding. In Windows the
> Print Spooler service is the broker for all print processes. Stopping this
> service will prevent the long timeout.
>
> If using Windows, pop the Windows menu then start typing the word,
> “Service”. Once you see “Services” open it, then find the Print Spooler
> service (the list is Hot Typable but you have to select one of the services
> first, otherwise just scroll down) the slick the Stop Service button.
>
> BTW I would not use the task manager for this. I do not see either of
> those names in my tasks. I think the Print Spooler task is actually named
> Spoolsv.
>
> Bob S
>
>
> On Aug 8, 2023, at 7:26 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> Sure, Panos! Uh, what’s its name?
>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Aug  8 12:08:59 2023
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2023 11:08:59 -0500
Subject: Unable to build for Mac: adding ad-hoc signature failed
In-Reply-To: <BCDED9A6-42C2-43F6-B54E-D9618E0F8BD6@iotecdigital.com>
References: <092054D1-2815-43AA-9869-4F67A1A545FD@swcp.com>
 <189d1f4b2b0.276f.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <791E7A1D-BB61-4C02-8D8B-F172C8C8AA88@swcp.com>
 <BCDED9A6-42C2-43F6-B54E-D9618E0F8BD6@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <189d5e89d78.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>

Signing happens after the app is built and is a manual process, so yours 
isn't signed /notarized yet. But unsigned apps run on the development 
machine anyway, so I'd say you built the app successfully.

--
Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
On August 8, 2023 10:47:34 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I have, but I dont do any signing or notarizing. If that happens 
> transparently, then its working for me.
>
> Bob S
>
>
>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 6:59 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode 
>> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks, Jacque!
>>
>> That gives me a clue. I will try to get more info on this.
>>
>> However, that note shows how to delete the offending resource using the 
>> xattr tool, but I have no app to point it to. LiveCode did not build anything.
>>
>> Im willing to try some magic values in Standalone Application Settings.
>> 	Im using LiveCode 9.6.9, but Im willing to upgrade.
>> 	Im on macOS Ventura.
>>
>> Has anyone successfully built a Mac application recently?
>>
>> Dar
>>
>>> On Aug 7, 2023, at 3:43 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>>> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> This might help:
>>> <https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/qa/qa1940/_index.html>
>>> --
>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>> On August 7, 2023 12:49:03 PM Dar Scott via use-livecode 
>>> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Im having trouble building an application for Mac Intel.
>>>>
>>>> The first time LiveCode crashed.
>>>>
>>>> Subsequent times, I get this error:
>>>> There was an error while saving the standalone application
>>>> Adding ad-hoc signature failed with error:
>>>> //myProgram.app:
>>>> Replacing existing signature
>>>> //myProgram.app:
>>>> Resource for, Finder information, or similar detritus not
>>>> Allowed
>>>>
>>>> I tried fiddling with the PLIST settings without success.
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
>>>> subscription preferences:
>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From marksmithhfx at gmail.com  Tue Aug  8 12:11:39 2023
From: marksmithhfx at gmail.com (Mark Smith)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 17:11:39 +0100
Subject: Unable to build for Mac: adding ad-hoc signature failed
In-Reply-To: <791E7A1D-BB61-4C02-8D8B-F172C8C8AA88@swcp.com>
References: <092054D1-2815-43AA-9869-4F67A1A545FD@swcp.com>
 <189d1f4b2b0.276f.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <791E7A1D-BB61-4C02-8D8B-F172C8C8AA88@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <02F4A07C-7772-46A6-826A-D5F8FD4C016E@gmail.com>

I should add I used 9.6.8 on Monterey. 

> On 8 Aug 2023, at 2:59 pm, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Thanks, Jacque!
> 
> That gives me a clue. I will try to get more info on this.
> 
> However, that note shows how to delete the offending resource using the xattr tool, but I have no app to point it to. LiveCode did not build anything.
> 
> I’m willing to try some magic values in Standalone Application Settings.
> 	I’m using LiveCode 9.6.9, but I’m willing to upgrade.
> 	I’m on macOS Ventura.
> 
> Has anyone successfully built a Mac application recently?
> 
> Dar
> 
>> On Aug 7, 2023, at 3:43 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> This might help:
>> <https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/qa/qa1940/_index.html>
>> --
>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>> On August 7, 2023 12:49:03 PM Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I’m having trouble building an application for Mac Intel.
>>> 
>>> The first time LiveCode crashed.
>>> 
>>> Subsequent times, I get this error:
>>> There was an error while saving the standalone application
>>> Adding ad-hoc signature failed with error:
>>> /…/myProgram.app:
>>> Replacing existing signature
>>> /…/myProgram.app:
>>> Resource for, Finder information, or similar detritus not
>>> Allowed
>>> 
>>> I tried fiddling with the PLIST settings without success.
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From merakosp at gmail.com  Tue Aug  8 12:12:29 2023
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis m)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 19:12:29 +0300
Subject: Unable to build for Mac: adding ad-hoc signature failed
In-Reply-To: <60649154-A10E-4DBA-88B3-6B6576D7A59B@gmail.com>
References: <092054D1-2815-43AA-9869-4F67A1A545FD@swcp.com>
 <189d1f4b2b0.276f.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <791E7A1D-BB61-4C02-8D8B-F172C8C8AA88@swcp.com>
 <60649154-A10E-4DBA-88B3-6B6576D7A59B@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq-Uhw=Fn=MtFk4EFAwQ3ytrLbS70rf2XjkCw=z4LfjQPA@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all,

The standalone builder does add a signature when building the mac
standalone - but an ad hoc one (i.e. it does not use an actual
certificate). The error Dar gets happens during the standalone building
process.

@Dar
Could you attach the exact error? Just upload the screenshot somewhere and
post the link. It might help us isolate the problem, although I suspect it
is related to the command line tools version you have installed.

Could you try this in the terminal and post the output?

xcode-select -p

Cheers,
Panos

On Tue, 8 Aug 2023 at 19:08, Mark Smith via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi Dar,
>
> I just built one unsigned and it worked fine. Will you be signing it for
> distribution in the Mac App store as well?
>
> Mark
>
> > On 8 Aug 2023, at 2:59 pm, Dar Scott via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks, Jacque!
> >
> > That gives me a clue. I will try to get more info on this.
> >
> > However, that note shows how to delete the offending resource using the
> xattr tool, but I have no app to point it to. LiveCode did not build
> anything.
> >
> > I’m willing to try some magic values in Standalone Application Settings.
> >       I’m using LiveCode 9.6.9, but I’m willing to upgrade.
> >       I’m on macOS Ventura.
> >
> > Has anyone successfully built a Mac application recently?
> >
> > Dar
> >
> >> On Aug 7, 2023, at 3:43 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> This might help:
> >> <https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/qa/qa1940/_index.html>
> >> --
> >> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> >> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> >> On August 7, 2023 12:49:03 PM Dar Scott via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I’m having trouble building an application for Mac Intel.
> >>>
> >>> The first time LiveCode crashed.
> >>>
> >>> Subsequent times, I get this error:
> >>> There was an error while saving the standalone application
> >>> Adding ad-hoc signature failed with error:
> >>> /…/myProgram.app:
> >>> Replacing existing signature
> >>> /…/myProgram.app:
> >>> Resource for, Finder information, or similar detritus not
> >>> Allowed
> >>>
> >>> I tried fiddling with the PLIST settings without success.
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> use-livecode mailing list
> >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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From dsc at swcp.com  Tue Aug  8 12:19:46 2023
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 10:19:46 -0600
Subject: Unable to build for Mac: adding ad-hoc signature failed
In-Reply-To: <189d5e89d78.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <092054D1-2815-43AA-9869-4F67A1A545FD@swcp.com>
 <189d1f4b2b0.276f.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <791E7A1D-BB61-4C02-8D8B-F172C8C8AA88@swcp.com>
 <BCDED9A6-42C2-43F6-B54E-D9618E0F8BD6@iotecdigital.com>
 <189d5e89d78.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <656E739B-E786-4862-A0D0-54798D7A9CCF@swcp.com>

I removed all inclusions. I opted to remove all profiles, probably none. There are no Copy Files. I’m building for Intel only. 

For PLIST I chose Chose a PLIST and then clicked Use None.

I set my bundle identifier and have not changed that among my attempts. I left all of the other Version Information as default. 

I have no Icons added.

I get the same error.

Dar

> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:08 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Signing happens after the app is built and is a manual process, so yours isn't signed /notarized yet. But unsigned apps run on the development machine anyway, so I'd say you built the app successfully.
> 
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> On August 8, 2023 10:47:34 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> I have, but I don’t do any signing or notarizing. If that happens transparently, then it’s working for me.
>> 
>> Bob S
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 6:59 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks, Jacque!
>>> 
>>> That gives me a clue. I will try to get more info on this.
>>> 
>>> However, that note shows how to delete the offending resource using the xattr tool, but I have no app to point it to. LiveCode did not build anything.
>>> 
>>> I’m willing to try some magic values in Standalone Application Settings.
>>> 	I’m using LiveCode 9.6.9, but I’m willing to upgrade.
>>> 	I’m on macOS Ventura.
>>> 
>>> Has anyone successfully built a Mac application recently?
>>> 
>>> Dar
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 7, 2023, at 3:43 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> This might help:
>>>> <https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/qa/qa1940/_index.html>
>>>> --
>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>>> On August 7, 2023 12:49:03 PM Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I’m having trouble building an application for Mac Intel.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The first time LiveCode crashed.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Subsequent times, I get this error:
>>>>> There was an error while saving the standalone application
>>>>> Adding ad-hoc signature failed with error:
>>>>> /…/myProgram.app:
>>>>> Replacing existing signature
>>>>> /…/myProgram.app:
>>>>> Resource for, Finder information, or similar detritus not
>>>>> Allowed
>>>>> 
>>>>> I tried fiddling with the PLIST settings without success.
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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From merakosp at gmail.com  Tue Aug  8 12:19:52 2023
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis m)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 19:19:52 +0300
Subject: Consumable In App Purchases on Android
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR12MB27098554E36FF3103EE5E83FB90CA@BYAPR12MB2709.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
References: <092054D1-2815-43AA-9869-4F67A1A545FD@swcp.com>
 <189d1f4b2b0.276f.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <BYAPR12MB27098554E36FF3103EE5E83FB90CA@BYAPR12MB2709.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq8XRX=hX8kxaD__jrk_LEXJL1zWAy4U+k27-LWXgjiyNw@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Dan,

I think Google no longer differentiates between consumables and
non-consumables when setting up the in-app product - they are both marked
as "In-App Products”. However, in LiveCode, you have to call
mobileStoreConsumePurchase pProductID to be able to buy the product again -
otherwise you get a "alreadyEntitled" status.

If you do this, and still get "alreadyEntitled", then you have to ensure
that the pProductID param passed to mobileStoreConsumePurchase indeed
matches exactly the product id of the product you set up in the google dev
console.

Hope this helps.

Kind regards,
Panos

On Tue, 8 Aug 2023 at 01:57, Dan Friedman via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Does anyone have any experience with consumable in-app purchases on
> Android?   I can’t seem to figure out how to (1) create a consumable
> product, and (2) how to consume it.   mobileStoreConsumePurchase pProductID
> doesn’t seem to function right… I get back a result that is “true”, but
> attempting to purchase the same product, returns “alreadyEntitled”.
>
> The “How do I implement in-app purchases in LiveCode - Google Play Store?”
> lesson says:  click "In-App Products” and click “Add new product”.  From
> there, follow the instructions to create the type of in-app purchase you
> wish to use.
>
> In Google Play Console > Monitize > In-App Products > Create Product,
> there isn’t a place to select the type of in-app purchase.
>
> Any insight or instructions you may have would be greatly appreciated!!
>
> -Dan
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Aug  8 12:28:31 2023
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 16:28:31 +0000
Subject: Variable Watcher disappeared
Message-ID: <A4DB77FB-CB62-487C-91C1-9C648AA37782@iotecdigital.com>

Hi all. 

Not sure how I did it but I can no longer see the variables while debugging. The bottom pane has disappeared and nothing I can find can get it back. Any ideas? 

Bob S



From dan at clearvisiontech.com  Tue Aug  8 12:35:19 2023
From: dan at clearvisiontech.com (Dan Friedman)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 16:35:19 +0000
Subject: Consumable In App Purchases on Android
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq8XRX=hX8kxaD__jrk_LEXJL1zWAy4U+k27-LWXgjiyNw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <092054D1-2815-43AA-9869-4F67A1A545FD@swcp.com>
 <189d1f4b2b0.276f.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <BYAPR12MB27098554E36FF3103EE5E83FB90CA@BYAPR12MB2709.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
 <CA+JfEq8XRX=hX8kxaD__jrk_LEXJL1zWAy4U+k27-LWXgjiyNw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BYAPR12MB2709417D61C6292A2ABAB3D8B90DA@BYAPR12MB2709.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>

Panos,

Thank you for the reply.   Unfortunately, this isn’t working for me… maybe I’m doing something wrong?  Product ID is “1001”.  I was able to purchase that product no problem.  If I attempt to purchase it again, I get “alreadyEntitled”.

In a button I put:

on mouseUp
    mobileStoreConsumePurchase 1001
    answer the result
end mouseUp

The result is empty (I assume that is success).  Then, I attempt to purchase 1001 and again I get “alreadyEntitled”.

I then tried (just guessing at what I need to do as the docs are very vague on how to use it):

on mouseUp
    mobileStoreEnablePurchaseUpdates
    mobileStoreSetProductType 1001,"inapp"
    mobileStoreConsumePurchase 1001
    answer the result
end mouseUp

Again, result is empty and an attempt to purchase 1001 again, gets “alreadyEntitled”.

What am I doing wrong?

-Dan



From: use-livecode <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com> on behalf of panagiotis m via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Date: Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 9:21 AM
To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Cc: panagiotis m <merakosp at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Consumable In App Purchases on Android
Hello Dan,

I think Google no longer differentiates between consumables and
non-consumables when setting up the in-app product - they are both marked
as "In-App Products”. However, in LiveCode, you have to call
mobileStoreConsumePurchase pProductID to be able to buy the product again -
otherwise you get a "alreadyEntitled" status.

If you do this, and still get "alreadyEntitled", then you have to ensure
that the pProductID param passed to mobileStoreConsumePurchase indeed
matches exactly the product id of the product you set up in the google dev
console.

Hope this helps.

Kind regards,
Panos

On Tue, 8 Aug 2023 at 01:57, Dan Friedman via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Does anyone have any experience with consumable in-app purchases on
> Android?   I can’t seem to figure out how to (1) create a consumable
> product, and (2) how to consume it.   mobileStoreConsumePurchase pProductID
> doesn’t seem to function right… I get back a result that is “true”, but
> attempting to purchase the same product, returns “alreadyEntitled”.
>
> The “How do I implement in-app purchases in LiveCode - Google Play Store?”
> lesson says:  click "In-App Products” and click “Add new product”.  From
> there, follow the instructions to create the type of in-app purchase you
> wish to use.
>
> In Google Play Console > Monitize > In-App Products > Create Product,
> there isn’t a place to select the type of in-app purchase.
>
> Any insight or instructions you may have would be greatly appreciated!!
>
> -Dan
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
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From dsc at swcp.com  Tue Aug  8 12:37:57 2023
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 10:37:57 -0600
Subject: Light Windows programs takes 40 s to load
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq8o5fPwQHTTimC3tgZEa2S8C-adJDws6ig=qKpDq+WX0A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1032DDA5-E409-49DA-8165-B888D1191233@swcp.com>
 <CA+JfEq9brM_rn=a-N9gZ3LaT42QqS5VK08TsYQekbRSteuLUjA@mail.gmail.com>
 <D0B46E71-3640-4B7C-A6D7-4D3CF5D833F1@swcp.com>
 <A1C0E01F-D49D-4B57-AB27-877CBA2E6072@iotecdigital.com>
 <CA+JfEq8o5fPwQHTTimC3tgZEa2S8C-adJDws6ig=qKpDq+WX0A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1335B845-0809-4929-98E7-8EBF048E81E6@swcp.com>

I stopped service Spoolsv. The executable then loaded quickly.

It is not possible to delete drivers on that computer.

I will set up a different computer with limited printer drivers.

I look forward to seeing this resolved.

My program does not print. Is there something I can remove in the creating of a standalone?

Dar

> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:07 AM, panagiotis m via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> We recently fixed a bug (affecting mainly Windows 11) where the LC
> installer, the LC IDE and Windows standalones were crashing on startup. It
> turned out this was caused if some generic printer drivers were installed
> in the device, and installing the official printer drivers from the
> vendor's website prevented the crash. We had reports for Brother printers,
> Epson and HP if I remember correctly.
> 
> The fix we added did fix the crash, but in some cases caused a delay on
> startup, if the device still had the "generic" printer driver installed.
> 
> That's why I asked to quit the printer spooler and try again - if it works
> with the printer spooler not running, it means that this device has a
> "generic" printer driver installed, so Dar could just install the official
> driver from the vendor's website and have the issue fixed.
> 
> Kind regards,
> Panos
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, 8 Aug 2023 at 18:36, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> Pardon me if you know this already. Apps that are capable of printing will
>> attempt to connect to the default printer upon launch. Panos is trying to
>> isolate an issue where if the default printer is unresponsive, your app
>> will wait until the process times out before proceeding. In Windows the
>> Print Spooler service is the broker for all print processes. Stopping this
>> service will prevent the long timeout.
>> 
>> If using Windows, pop the Windows menu then start typing the word,
>> “Service”. Once you see “Services” open it, then find the Print Spooler
>> service (the list is Hot Typable but you have to select one of the services
>> first, otherwise just scroll down) the slick the Stop Service button.
>> 
>> BTW I would not use the task manager for this. I do not see either of
>> those names in my tasks. I think the Print Spooler task is actually named
>> Spoolsv.
>> 
>> Bob S
>> 
>> 
>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 7:26 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Sure, Panos! Uh, what’s its name?
>> 
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Aug  8 12:39:06 2023
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2023 11:39:06 -0500
Subject: Light Windows programs takes 40 s to load
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq8o5fPwQHTTimC3tgZEa2S8C-adJDws6ig=qKpDq+WX0A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1032DDA5-E409-49DA-8165-B888D1191233@swcp.com>
 <CA+JfEq9brM_rn=a-N9gZ3LaT42QqS5VK08TsYQekbRSteuLUjA@mail.gmail.com>
 <D0B46E71-3640-4B7C-A6D7-4D3CF5D833F1@swcp.com>
 <A1C0E01F-D49D-4B57-AB27-877CBA2E6072@iotecdigital.com>
 <CA+JfEq8o5fPwQHTTimC3tgZEa2S8C-adJDws6ig=qKpDq+WX0A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <189d6043010.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>

Removing the print driver or spooler works on the current machine but it 
will affect any other user who runs the app. We have a steady stream of 
support tickets from Windows users and a boilerplate response prepared.
--
Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
On August 8, 2023 11:09:41 AM panagiotis m via use-livecode 
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> We recently fixed a bug (affecting mainly Windows 11) where the LC
> installer, the LC IDE and Windows standalones were crashing on startup. It
> turned out this was caused if some generic printer drivers were installed
> in the device, and installing the official printer drivers from the
> vendor's website prevented the crash. We had reports for Brother printers,
> Epson and HP if I remember correctly.
>
> The fix we added did fix the crash, but in some cases caused a delay on
> startup, if the device still had the "generic" printer driver installed.
>
> That's why I asked to quit the printer spooler and try again - if it works
> with the printer spooler not running, it means that this device has a
> "generic" printer driver installed, so Dar could just install the official
> driver from the vendor's website and have the issue fixed.
>
> Kind regards,
> Panos
>
>
>
> On Tue, 8 Aug 2023 at 18:36, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> Pardon me if you know this already. Apps that are capable of printing will
>> attempt to connect to the default printer upon launch. Panos is trying to
>> isolate an issue where if the default printer is unresponsive, your app
>> will wait until the process times out before proceeding. In Windows the
>> Print Spooler service is the broker for all print processes. Stopping this
>> service will prevent the long timeout.
>>
>> If using Windows, pop the Windows menu then start typing the word,
>> Service. Once you see Services open it, then find the Print Spooler
>> service (the list is Hot Typable but you have to select one of the services
>> first, otherwise just scroll down) the slick the Stop Service button.
>>
>> BTW I would not use the task manager for this. I do not see either of
>> those names in my tasks. I think the Print Spooler task is actually named
>> Spoolsv.
>>
>> Bob S
>>
>>
>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 7:26 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> Sure, Panos! Uh, whats its name?
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> subscription preferences:
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From dsc at swcp.com  Tue Aug  8 12:41:45 2023
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 10:41:45 -0600
Subject: Unable to build for Mac: adding ad-hoc signature failed
In-Reply-To: <656E739B-E786-4862-A0D0-54798D7A9CCF@swcp.com>
References: <092054D1-2815-43AA-9869-4F67A1A545FD@swcp.com>
 <189d1f4b2b0.276f.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <791E7A1D-BB61-4C02-8D8B-F172C8C8AA88@swcp.com>
 <BCDED9A6-42C2-43F6-B54E-D9618E0F8BD6@iotecdigital.com>
 <189d5e89d78.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <656E739B-E786-4862-A0D0-54798D7A9CCF@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <ED4B12E1-4688-4E95-B96E-143F91EBEBDB@swcp.com>

xcode-select -p
/Library/Developer/CommandLineTools

> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:19 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I removed all inclusions. I opted to remove all profiles, probably none. There are no Copy Files. I’m building for Intel only. 
> 
> For PLIST I chose Chose a PLIST and then clicked Use None.
> 
> I set my bundle identifier and have not changed that among my attempts. I left all of the other Version Information as default. 
> 
> I have no Icons added.
> 
> I get the same error.
> 
> Dar
> 
>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:08 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Signing happens after the app is built and is a manual process, so yours isn't signed /notarized yet. But unsigned apps run on the development machine anyway, so I'd say you built the app successfully.
>> 
>> --
>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>> On August 8, 2023 10:47:34 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I have, but I don’t do any signing or notarizing. If that happens transparently, then it’s working for me.
>>> 
>>> Bob S
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 6:59 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks, Jacque!
>>>> 
>>>> That gives me a clue. I will try to get more info on this.
>>>> 
>>>> However, that note shows how to delete the offending resource using the xattr tool, but I have no app to point it to. LiveCode did not build anything.
>>>> 
>>>> I’m willing to try some magic values in Standalone Application Settings.
>>>> 	I’m using LiveCode 9.6.9, but I’m willing to upgrade.
>>>> 	I’m on macOS Ventura.
>>>> 
>>>> Has anyone successfully built a Mac application recently?
>>>> 
>>>> Dar
>>>> 
>>>>> On Aug 7, 2023, at 3:43 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> This might help:
>>>>> <https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/qa/qa1940/_index.html>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>>>> On August 7, 2023 12:49:03 PM Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I’m having trouble building an application for Mac Intel.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The first time LiveCode crashed.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Subsequent times, I get this error:
>>>>>> There was an error while saving the standalone application
>>>>>> Adding ad-hoc signature failed with error:
>>>>>> /…/myProgram.app:
>>>>>> Replacing existing signature
>>>>>> /…/myProgram.app:
>>>>>> Resource for, Finder information, or similar detritus not
>>>>>> Allowed
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I tried fiddling with the PLIST settings without success.
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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From marksmithhfx at gmail.com  Tue Aug  8 12:47:05 2023
From: marksmithhfx at gmail.com (Mark Smith)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 17:47:05 +0100
Subject: Unable to build for Mac: adding ad-hoc signature failed
In-Reply-To: <ED4B12E1-4688-4E95-B96E-143F91EBEBDB@swcp.com>
References: <092054D1-2815-43AA-9869-4F67A1A545FD@swcp.com>
 <189d1f4b2b0.276f.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <791E7A1D-BB61-4C02-8D8B-F172C8C8AA88@swcp.com>
 <BCDED9A6-42C2-43F6-B54E-D9618E0F8BD6@iotecdigital.com>
 <189d5e89d78.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <656E739B-E786-4862-A0D0-54798D7A9CCF@swcp.com>
 <ED4B12E1-4688-4E95-B96E-143F91EBEBDB@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <D54C2B47-0898-4AA7-A0E3-F3D8DEABA56D@gmail.com>

I get this in response to Xcode-select -p

/Applications/Xcode 13.2.app/Contents/Developer


> On 8 Aug 2023, at 5:41 pm, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> xcode-select -p
> /Library/Developer/CommandLineTools
> 
>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:19 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I removed all inclusions. I opted to remove all profiles, probably none. There are no Copy Files. I’m building for Intel only. 
>> 
>> For PLIST I chose Chose a PLIST and then clicked Use None.
>> 
>> I set my bundle identifier and have not changed that among my attempts. I left all of the other Version Information as default. 
>> 
>> I have no Icons added.
>> 
>> I get the same error.
>> 
>> Dar
>> 
>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:08 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Signing happens after the app is built and is a manual process, so yours isn't signed /notarized yet. But unsigned apps run on the development machine anyway, so I'd say you built the app successfully.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>> On August 8, 2023 10:47:34 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I have, but I don’t do any signing or notarizing. If that happens transparently, then it’s working for me.
>>>> 
>>>> Bob S
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 6:59 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks, Jacque!
>>>>> 
>>>>> That gives me a clue. I will try to get more info on this.
>>>>> 
>>>>> However, that note shows how to delete the offending resource using the xattr tool, but I have no app to point it to. LiveCode did not build anything.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I’m willing to try some magic values in Standalone Application Settings.
>>>>> 	I’m using LiveCode 9.6.9, but I’m willing to upgrade.
>>>>> 	I’m on macOS Ventura.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Has anyone successfully built a Mac application recently?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Dar
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Aug 7, 2023, at 3:43 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> This might help:
>>>>>> <https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/qa/qa1940/_index.html>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>> On August 7, 2023 12:49:03 PM Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I’m having trouble building an application for Mac Intel.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The first time LiveCode crashed.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Subsequent times, I get this error:
>>>>>>> There was an error while saving the standalone application
>>>>>>> Adding ad-hoc signature failed with error:
>>>>>>> /…/myProgram.app:
>>>>>>> Replacing existing signature
>>>>>>> /…/myProgram.app:
>>>>>>> Resource for, Finder information, or similar detritus not
>>>>>>> Allowed
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I tried fiddling with the PLIST settings without success.
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>>>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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From dsc at swcp.com  Tue Aug  8 12:47:10 2023
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 10:47:10 -0600
Subject: Unable to build for Mac: adding ad-hoc signature failed
In-Reply-To: <ED4B12E1-4688-4E95-B96E-143F91EBEBDB@swcp.com>
References: <092054D1-2815-43AA-9869-4F67A1A545FD@swcp.com>
 <189d1f4b2b0.276f.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <791E7A1D-BB61-4C02-8D8B-F172C8C8AA88@swcp.com>
 <BCDED9A6-42C2-43F6-B54E-D9618E0F8BD6@iotecdigital.com>
 <189d5e89d78.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <656E739B-E786-4862-A0D0-54798D7A9CCF@swcp.com>
 <ED4B12E1-4688-4E95-B96E-143F91EBEBDB@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <9EAE9EBA-219E-40F3-809A-AF9DB3636FA4@swcp.com>

Oh, and I’m building from a network drive.


> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:41 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> xcode-select -p
> /Library/Developer/CommandLineTools
> 
>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:19 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I removed all inclusions. I opted to remove all profiles, probably none. There are no Copy Files. I’m building for Intel only. 
>> 
>> For PLIST I chose Chose a PLIST and then clicked Use None.
>> 
>> I set my bundle identifier and have not changed that among my attempts. I left all of the other Version Information as default. 
>> 
>> I have no Icons added.
>> 
>> I get the same error.
>> 
>> Dar
>> 
>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:08 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Signing happens after the app is built and is a manual process, so yours isn't signed /notarized yet. But unsigned apps run on the development machine anyway, so I'd say you built the app successfully.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>> On August 8, 2023 10:47:34 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I have, but I don’t do any signing or notarizing. If that happens transparently, then it’s working for me.
>>>> 
>>>> Bob S
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 6:59 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks, Jacque!
>>>>> 
>>>>> That gives me a clue. I will try to get more info on this.
>>>>> 
>>>>> However, that note shows how to delete the offending resource using the xattr tool, but I have no app to point it to. LiveCode did not build anything.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I’m willing to try some magic values in Standalone Application Settings.
>>>>> 	I’m using LiveCode 9.6.9, but I’m willing to upgrade.
>>>>> 	I’m on macOS Ventura.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Has anyone successfully built a Mac application recently?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Dar
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Aug 7, 2023, at 3:43 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> This might help:
>>>>>> <https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/qa/qa1940/_index.html>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>> On August 7, 2023 12:49:03 PM Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I’m having trouble building an application for Mac Intel.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The first time LiveCode crashed.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Subsequent times, I get this error:
>>>>>>> There was an error while saving the standalone application
>>>>>>> Adding ad-hoc signature failed with error:
>>>>>>> /…/myProgram.app:
>>>>>>> Replacing existing signature
>>>>>>> /…/myProgram.app:
>>>>>>> Resource for, Finder information, or similar detritus not
>>>>>>> Allowed
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I tried fiddling with the PLIST settings without success.
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>>>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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From mkoob at rogers.com  Tue Aug  8 13:18:16 2023
From: mkoob at rogers.com (Martin Koob)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 13:18:16 -0400
Subject: Variable Watcher disappeared
In-Reply-To: <A4DB77FB-CB62-487C-91C1-9C648AA37782@iotecdigital.com>
References: <A4DB77FB-CB62-487C-91C1-9C648AA37782@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <2E7C61D6-01E0-4AB0-8DD0-6EDEF268C6B6@rogers.com>

Hi Bob

So you can see the Script Editor but you can’t see the variables pane at the bottom?

There is a drag handle at the bottom of the Script Editor pane to resize it.   Maybe you accidentally dragged that to the bottom hiding the variable pane at the bottom.

Even if you did that you should still see the tabs for ‘Errors’; ‘Variables’; ‘Documentation’; ‘Breakpoints’; ’Search Results’.

You should be able to drag the Drag handle up to reveal the bottom pane.


The following doesn’t probably apply to you if your Script Editor Stack is open and visible.

You probably know this but another thing that happens to me is that some of the LiveCode stacks disappear randomly.

One thing that happens is that they somehow get moved offscreen. 

To get them back I first check if they are there by typing the following into the message box.

put the openstacks

That should result in a list like this.

Message Box
My Demo Stack
revInspector
revTools
revNewScriptEditor 1
revDictionary
revMenuBar
Improve LiveCode Handler Finder
com.livecode.palette.autocomplete.completions

If you see the stack in the list that you are looking for you can relocate it back to the screen by setting its location to something that will be on your display by entering the following in the message box.
set the topleft of stack "revtools" to 100,100





Two other reasons stacks disappear is that they become hidden or closed.



If the stack is closed then enter the following in the message box

open stack “revtools



If the stack is open but hidden enter

show stack “revtools”

If it is your message box that you can’t find then there is nothing you can do….


… Just kidding.  ;-)

Just type command key + M to show the message box.


Bob, I am sure this is covering things you already know  but just in case there others in future are looking for this I added the other cases where your LiveCode IDE stacks disappear.

BTW I am using LC 9.6.9 on a M1 Max Mac running Ventura 13.41

Martin

> On Aug 8, 2023, at 12:28 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi all. 
> 
> Not sure how I did it but I can no longer see the variables while debugging. The bottom pane has disappeared and nothing I can find can get it back. Any ideas? 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
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From dick.kriesel at mail.com  Tue Aug  8 13:22:44 2023
From: dick.kriesel at mail.com (Dick Kriesel)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 10:22:44 -0700
Subject: Variable Watcher disappeared
In-Reply-To: <A4DB77FB-CB62-487C-91C1-9C648AA37782@iotecdigital.com>
References: <A4DB77FB-CB62-487C-91C1-9C648AA37782@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <0CB5E66C-8681-4754-9418-E1E2B8183189@mail.com>

Hi, Bob. The bottom pane reappears to show search results, so search for something.
— Dick

> On Aug 8, 2023, at 9:28 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi all. 
> 
> Not sure how I did it but I can no longer see the variables while debugging. The bottom pane has disappeared and nothing I can find can get it back. Any ideas? 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Aug  8 13:28:31 2023
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 17:28:31 +0000
Subject: Variable Watcher disappeared
In-Reply-To: <0CB5E66C-8681-4754-9418-E1E2B8183189@mail.com>
References: <A4DB77FB-CB62-487C-91C1-9C648AA37782@iotecdigital.com>
 <0CB5E66C-8681-4754-9418-E1E2B8183189@mail.com>
Message-ID: <F83FBB64-0473-44F2-8237-95542ADC26CC@iotecdigital.com>

That was a good suggestion, but alas no cookie. The entire window is visible, but the handle to resize is not visible. The handle for the handlers pane is visible, but is lower than halfway down the window, clueing me into the likelihood that something has gone horribly awry with my script editor. Quitting and relaunching does not fix it. 

I checked the forums and bug reports, nothing I can find. I’ll contact support I guess. 

Bob S


> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:22 AM, Dick Kriesel via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi, Bob. The bottom pane reappears to show search results, so search for something.
> — Dick
> 
>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 9:28 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all. 
>> 
>> Not sure how I did it but I can no longer see the variables while debugging. The bottom pane has disappeared and nothing I can find can get it back. Any ideas? 
>> 
>> Bob S
>> 
>> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Aug  8 13:39:10 2023
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 17:39:10 +0000
Subject: Variable Watcher disappeared
In-Reply-To: <F83FBB64-0473-44F2-8237-95542ADC26CC@iotecdigital.com>
References: <A4DB77FB-CB62-487C-91C1-9C648AA37782@iotecdigital.com>
 <0CB5E66C-8681-4754-9418-E1E2B8183189@mail.com>
 <F83FBB64-0473-44F2-8237-95542ADC26CC@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <44FF4A7B-5381-4E21-99A6-D6E03F131205@iotecdigital.com>

Resetting prefs fixed it. Should be a better way than starting from scratch though. 

Bob S


> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:28 AM, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com> wrote:
> 
> That was a good suggestion, but alas no cookie. The entire window is visible, but the handle to resize is not visible. The handle for the handlers pane is visible, but is lower than halfway down the window, clueing me into the likelihood that something has gone horribly awry with my script editor. Quitting and relaunching does not fix it. 
> 
> I checked the forums and bug reports, nothing I can find. I’ll contact support I guess. 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:22 AM, Dick Kriesel via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, Bob. The bottom pane reappears to show search results, so search for something.
>> — Dick
>> 
>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 9:28 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all. 
>>> 
>>> Not sure how I did it but I can no longer see the variables while debugging. The bottom pane has disappeared and nothing I can find can get it back. Any ideas? 
>>> 
>>> Bob S
>>> 
>>> 
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From dsc at swcp.com  Tue Aug  8 13:41:30 2023
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 11:41:30 -0600
Subject: Color of text of the selected tab of Tab Panel
Message-ID: <431B5ABB-9316-40C8-BFB6-FAACFFD8F769@swcp.com>


I’m developing on a Mac. In order to change the color of the text on the selected tab of a Tab Panel I had to change backgroundColor. The seems weird. (I’ve been away, so I don’t remember how this should go).

However, the .exe on Windows shows that text the same color as on the other tabs. I set other color properties except foregroundColor to a variety of colors to see if any affected the color, but that text is still black. 

I would like for it to work the same on both Windows and Mac. I do want to strengthen the emphasis for the selected tab.

If need be, I can use a different method for the extra emphasis. 

I’d like to do it in a way that doesn’t break when any bugs are fixed.

Ideas?

Dar

From andrew at midwestcoastmedia.com  Tue Aug  8 13:56:16 2023
From: andrew at midwestcoastmedia.com (Andrew at MidWest Coast Media)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 13:56:16 -0400
Subject: Consumable In App Purchases on Android
In-Reply-To: <mailman.28.1691513283.100098.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.28.1691513283.100098.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <C0D6C806-D57D-40B1-9B40-76A1EA7C5805@midwestcoastmedia.com>

If I’m consuming instantly, this is the code working in my Android/iOS project with comment lines explaining the values being passed in the Android build (note that the product ID values are more specific for Android than iOS):

	if tPlatform = "android" then 
		 put "com.midwestcoastmedia.dj3pm." into tProductIDbase 
	 else if tPlatform = "iPhone" then 
		 put EMPTY into tProductIDbase 
	end if
	put tProductIDbase & pWhichProduct into tProductID

      mobileStoreEnablePurchaseUpdates
      ## mobileStoreSetProductType "com.midwestcoastmedia.dj3pm.tip01", "inapp"
      mobileStoreSetProductType tProductID, "inapp"
      ## mobileStoreMakePurchase "com.midwestcoastmedia.dj3pm.tip01", "1", "Thanks for the buck!"
      mobileStoreMakePurchase tProductID, "1", tMessage
      ## mobileStoreConsumePurchase "com.midwestcoastmedia.dj3pm.tip01"
      mobileStoreConsumePurchase tProductID
      put the result into tCatch 

BUT you’ll also need to implement the on purchaseStateUpdate handler to completely execute the purchase cycle. The lesson is sometimes hard to follow when Android changes their branding/naming but https://lessons.livecode.com/m/4069/l/184481-how-do-i-implement-in-app-purchases-in-livecode-google-play-store <https://lessons.livecode.com/m/4069/l/184481-how-do-i-implement-in-app-purchases-in-livecode-google-play-store> has a good example of this.

—Andrew Bell
      


> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Subject: Re: Consumable In App Purchases on Android
> Message-ID:
> 	<BYAPR12MB2709417D61C6292A2ABAB3D8B90DA at BYAPR12MB2709.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
> 	
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252"
> 
> Panos,
> 
> Thank you for the reply.   Unfortunately, this isn?t working for me? maybe I?m doing something wrong?  Product ID is ?1001?.  I was able to purchase that product no problem.  If I attempt to purchase it again, I get ?alreadyEntitled?.
> 
> In a button I put:
> 
> on mouseUp
>    mobileStoreConsumePurchase 1001
>    answer the result
> end mouseUp
> 
> The result is empty (I assume that is success).  Then, I attempt to purchase 1001 and again I get ?alreadyEntitled?.
> 
> I then tried (just guessing at what I need to do as the docs are very vague on how to use it):
> 
> on mouseUp
>    mobileStoreEnablePurchaseUpdates
>    mobileStoreSetProductType 1001,"inapp"
>    mobileStoreConsumePurchase 1001
>    answer the result
> end mouseUp
> 
> Again, result is empty and an attempt to purchase 1001 again, gets ?alreadyEntitled?.
> 
> What am I doing wrong?
> 
> -Dan
> 
> 
> 
> From: use-livecode <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com> on behalf of panagiotis m via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Date: Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 9:21 AM
> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Cc: panagiotis m <merakosp at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Consumable In App Purchases on Android
> Hello Dan,
> 
> I think Google no longer differentiates between consumables and
> non-consumables when setting up the in-app product - they are both marked
> as "In-App Products?. However, in LiveCode, you have to call
> mobileStoreConsumePurchase pProductID to be able to buy the product again -
> otherwise you get a "alreadyEntitled" status.
> 
> If you do this, and still get "alreadyEntitled", then you have to ensure
> that the pProductID param passed to mobileStoreConsumePurchase indeed
> matches exactly the product id of the product you set up in the google dev
> console.
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> Kind regards,
> Panos
> 
> On Tue, 8 Aug 2023 at 01:57, Dan Friedman via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> Does anyone have any experience with consumable in-app purchases on
>> Android?   I can?t seem to figure out how to (1) create a consumable
>> product, and (2) how to consume it.   mobileStoreConsumePurchase pProductID
>> doesn?t seem to function right? I get back a result that is ?true?, but
>> attempting to purchase the same product, returns ?alreadyEntitled?.
>> 
>> The ?How do I implement in-app purchases in LiveCode - Google Play Store??
>> lesson says:  click "In-App Products? and click ?Add new product?.  From
>> there, follow the instructions to create the type of in-app purchase you
>> wish to use.
>> 
>> In Google Play Console > Monitize > In-App Products > Create Product,
>> there isn?t a place to select the type of in-app purchase.
>> 
>> Any insight or instructions you may have would be greatly appreciated!!
>> 
>> -Dan
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Aug  8 13:59:28 2023
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 17:59:28 +0000
Subject: Color of text of the selected tab of Tab Panel
In-Reply-To: <431B5ABB-9316-40C8-BFB6-FAACFFD8F769@swcp.com>
References: <431B5ABB-9316-40C8-BFB6-FAACFFD8F769@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <6ACB00F6-8087-4125-851D-7F57BC78AE4E@iotecdigital.com>

Uurgh. I ran into this. It prompted me to create my own custom tab group around the tab widget. I overlayed buttons on the tab graphics, but the tricky part was getting the buttons to resize and reposition when new tabs were added. 

Bob S


> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:41 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> I’m developing on a Mac. In order to change the color of the text on the selected tab of a Tab Panel I had to change backgroundColor. The seems weird. (I’ve been away, so I don’t remember how this should go).
> 
> However, the .exe on Windows shows that text the same color as on the other tabs. I set other color properties except foregroundColor to a variety of colors to see if any affected the color, but that text is still black. 
> 
> I would like for it to work the same on both Windows and Mac. I do want to strengthen the emphasis for the selected tab.
> 
> If need be, I can use a different method for the extra emphasis. 
> 
> I’d like to do it in a way that doesn’t break when any bugs are fixed.
> 
> Ideas?
> 
> Dar
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From dsc at swcp.com  Tue Aug  8 14:14:41 2023
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 12:14:41 -0600
Subject: Rectangles on Windows?
Message-ID: <91D44125-B408-4F17-9E25-4E132B4B8409@swcp.com>


I have some rectangles that work just fine in development on my Mac.

However, there are problems in my Windows standalone. 

Not Showing Up
Two sets of rectangles are not visible in Windows. One set is opaque and one set is not. The opaque set is made visible or not invisible with a wipe effect. Both sets have a non-zero border thickness

Showing Up
Other rectangles have opaque true, backgroundColor red, and border thickness 0. They are visible on Windows. They are also within a group. These are made visible and not visible with a same wipe effect. 




From dsc at swcp.com  Tue Aug  8 14:25:01 2023
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 12:25:01 -0600
Subject: Color of text of the selected tab of Tab Panel
In-Reply-To: <6ACB00F6-8087-4125-851D-7F57BC78AE4E@iotecdigital.com>
References: <431B5ABB-9316-40C8-BFB6-FAACFFD8F769@swcp.com>
 <6ACB00F6-8087-4125-851D-7F57BC78AE4E@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <77ECCE23-267B-418B-8670-8533B7794D3A@swcp.com>

Thanks, Bob!

I am quite open to using a different tab control.

I might make my own  or  use another designer's tab control that fits in with the run-of-the-mill GUI. Hmmm, I’ve put some time into this look and feel, but I’m willing to consider a change, so I guess I should look at even exotic tab controls. 

In the mean time, I will try to set up something safe.

Dar

> On Aug 8, 2023, at 11:59 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Uurgh. I ran into this. It prompted me to create my own custom tab group around the tab widget. I overlayed buttons on the tab graphics, but the tricky part was getting the buttons to resize and reposition when new tabs were added. 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:41 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I’m developing on a Mac. In order to change the color of the text on the selected tab of a Tab Panel I had to change backgroundColor. The seems weird. (I’ve been away, so I don’t remember how this should go).
>> 
>> However, the .exe on Windows shows that text the same color as on the other tabs. I set other color properties except foregroundColor to a variety of colors to see if any affected the color, but that text is still black. 
>> 
>> I would like for it to work the same on both Windows and Mac. I do want to strengthen the emphasis for the selected tab.
>> 
>> If need be, I can use a different method for the extra emphasis. 
>> 
>> I’d like to do it in a way that doesn’t break when any bugs are fixed.
>> 
>> Ideas?
>> 
>> Dar
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From craig at starfirelighting.com  Tue Aug  8 15:13:47 2023
From: craig at starfirelighting.com (Craig Newman)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 15:13:47 -0400
Subject: Variable Watcher disappeared
In-Reply-To: <44FF4A7B-5381-4E21-99A6-D6E03F131205@iotecdigital.com>
References: <A4DB77FB-CB62-487C-91C1-9C648AA37782@iotecdigital.com>
 <0CB5E66C-8681-4754-9418-E1E2B8183189@mail.com>
 <F83FBB64-0473-44F2-8237-95542ADC26CC@iotecdigital.com>
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Message-ID: <76E6D4CF-801E-423E-9D1C-1EFA59B09E8F@starfirelighting.com>

What happens if you set the top of the SE window a bit higher than current?

I have a gadget that locates the SE on my portrait monitor on command. I could easily make its top anything I want, and I bet that would display the hidden bottom of the window.

Craig

> On Aug 8, 2023, at 1:39 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Resetting prefs fixed it. Should be a better way than starting from scratch though. 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:28 AM, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com> wrote:
>> 
>> That was a good suggestion, but alas no cookie. The entire window is visible, but the handle to resize is not visible. The handle for the handlers pane is visible, but is lower than halfway down the window, clueing me into the likelihood that something has gone horribly awry with my script editor. Quitting and relaunching does not fix it. 
>> 
>> I checked the forums and bug reports, nothing I can find. I’ll contact support I guess. 
>> 
>> Bob S
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:22 AM, Dick Kriesel via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi, Bob. The bottom pane reappears to show search results, so search for something.
>>> — Dick
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 9:28 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi all. 
>>>> 
>>>> Not sure how I did it but I can no longer see the variables while debugging. The bottom pane has disappeared and nothing I can find can get it back. Any ideas? 
>>>> 
>>>> Bob S
>>>> 
>>>> 
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From dan at clearvisiontech.com  Tue Aug  8 15:51:08 2023
From: dan at clearvisiontech.com (Dan Friedman)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 19:51:08 +0000
Subject: Consumable In App Purchases on Android
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR12MB2709555BCD7C872960378DB0B90DA@BYAPR12MB2709.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
References: <mailman.28.1691513283.100098.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
 <C0D6C806-D57D-40B1-9B40-76A1EA7C5805@midwestcoastmedia.com>
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Message-ID: <BYAPR12MB2709E338CDFFB345DC95F728B90DA@BYAPR12MB2709.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>

Andrew,

Thank you for the input.   The code snippet you said you are using has mobileStoreConsumePurchase IMMEDIATELY following mobileStoreMakePurchase.  Is that what you are doing?   The LC example show that mobileStoreMakePurchase should be handled in the purchaseStateUpdate message after the purchase is paymentReceived”

If that’s true, then I feel like I’m doing exactly what you are suggesting.   The purchase is fine, but the consumption if not working for me.   Here’s what I’m doing:

on startInAppPurchase numCredits
  //setup purchase id
  if numCredits = 1 then
    put 1001 into productID
    put "$0.99" into productAmount
  else if numCredits = 2 then
    put 1002 into productID
    put "$1.99" into productAmount
  else if numCredits = 3 then
    put 1003 into productID
    put "$2.99" into productAmount
  else if numCredits = 11 then
    put 1011 into productID
    put "$9.99" into productAmount
  end if

  //confirm with user
  if numCredits = 1 then
    put "Are you sure you want to purchase 1 credit for" && productAmount & "?" into pString
  else
    put "Are you sure you want to purchase" && numCredits && "credits for" && productAmount & "?" into pString
  end if
  if myAnswer(pString,"Cancel|Buy Now","Purchase Confirmation","|appBlue") = "Cancel" then //my custom answer dialog
    exit startInAppPurchase
  end if

  //initiate the purchase
  mobileStoreEnablePurchaseUpdates
  mobileStoreSetProductType productID,"inapp"
  mobileStoreMakePurchase productID,"1","testPayload - Android Only"
end startInAppPurchase

on purchaseStateUpdate pPurchaseID,pProductID,pState
  global user

  switch pState
    case "paymentReceived"
      put mobilePurchaseGet(pPurchaseID,"receipt") into rawReciptData

      //tell our server is was sucessful and log users credits to database
      if isIPhone() then
        if db_validateAppleReceipt(rawReciptData) then
          add (pProductID-1000) to user["credits"]
        end if
      else
        //will add Android database call when ready
      end if

      mobileStoreConfirmPurchase pProductID //Inform the store that the purchase identifier productID was successfully delivered
      if isAndroid() then
        mobileStoreConsumePurchase pProductID. //  <--- DOES NOT SEEM TO CONSUME THE PRODUCT !!
      end if

      mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
      loadMeUp //refresh our display
      break
    case "error"
      answer "Error occured during purchase handling:" & return & return & mobileStorePurchaseError(pPurchaseID)
      mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
      break
    case "invalidSKU"
      answer "Invalid SKU."
      mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
      break
    case "alreadyEntitled"
      answer "Already Owned."
      mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
      break
    case "restored"
      answer "restored"
     offerPurchasedProduct pProductID
      mobileStoreConfirmPurchase pProductID
      mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates

      loadMeUp //refresh our display
      break
    case "canceled"
    case "cancelled"
      answer "Purchase Cancelled:" && pProductID
      mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
      break
  end switch
end purchaseStateUpdate



Do you see anything wonky in my code?

--Dan

From: use-livecode <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com> on behalf of Andrew at MidWest Coast Media via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Date: Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 10:57 AM
To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Cc: Andrew at MidWest Coast Media <andrew at midwestcoastmedia.com>
Subject: Re: Consumable In App Purchases on Android
If I’m consuming instantly, this is the code working in my Android/iOS project with comment lines explaining the values being passed in the Android build (note that the product ID values are more specific for Android than iOS):

        if tPlatform = "android" then
                 put "com.midwestcoastmedia.dj3pm." into tProductIDbase
         else if tPlatform = "iPhone" then
                 put EMPTY into tProductIDbase
        end if
        put tProductIDbase & pWhichProduct into tProductID

      mobileStoreEnablePurchaseUpdates
      ## mobileStoreSetProductType "com.midwestcoastmedia.dj3pm.tip01", "inapp"
      mobileStoreSetProductType tProductID, "inapp"
      ## mobileStoreMakePurchase "com.midwestcoastmedia.dj3pm.tip01", "1", "Thanks for the buck!"
      mobileStoreMakePurchase tProductID, "1", tMessage
      ## mobileStoreConsumePurchase "com.midwestcoastmedia.dj3pm.tip01"
      mobileStoreConsumePurchase tProductID
      put the result into tCatch

BUT you’ll also need to implement the on purchaseStateUpdate handler to completely execute the purchase cycle. The lesson is sometimes hard to follow when Android changes their branding/naming but https://lessons.livecode.com/m/4069/l/184481-how-do-i-implement-in-app-purchases-in-livecode-google-play-store <https://lessons.livecode.com/m/4069/l/184481-how-do-i-implement-in-app-purchases-in-livecode-google-play-store> has a good example of this.

—Andrew Bell

From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Aug  8 16:04:30 2023
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 20:04:30 +0000
Subject: Variable Watcher disappeared
In-Reply-To: <76E6D4CF-801E-423E-9D1C-1EFA59B09E8F@starfirelighting.com>
References: <A4DB77FB-CB62-487C-91C1-9C648AA37782@iotecdigital.com>
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Message-ID: <7347F88E-BCA8-4596-9A24-4A9E80C3368F@iotecdigital.com>

Didn’t try that. Too late now, I’m on new prefs, but if it happens again I’ll give it a try. I did drag the window to no effect, but I didn’t try resizing from the top.

Bob S


On Aug 8, 2023, at 12:13 PM, Craig Newman via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

What happens if you set the top of the SE window a bit higher than current?

I have a gadget that locates the SE on my portrait monitor on command. I could easily make its top anything I want, and I bet that would display the hidden bottom of the window.

Craig

On Aug 8, 2023, at 1:39 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com<mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:

Resetting prefs fixed it. Should be a better way than starting from scratch though.

Bob S


From marksmithhfx at gmail.com  Tue Aug  8 16:44:41 2023
From: marksmithhfx at gmail.com (Mark Smith)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 21:44:41 +0100
Subject: Variable Watcher disappeared
In-Reply-To: <7347F88E-BCA8-4596-9A24-4A9E80C3368F@iotecdigital.com>
References: <7347F88E-BCA8-4596-9A24-4A9E80C3368F@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <6764A36B-C213-4829-84E7-812E5D2DCAE2@gmail.com>

Bob, glad you were able to fix it. I wonder what caused it in the first place. Martin, an incredible list of ways to get windows back. Thanks for posting!!!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 8, 2023, at 9:05 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Didn’t try that. Too late now, I’m on new prefs, but if it happens again I’ll give it a try. I did drag the window to no effect, but I didn’t try resizing from the top.
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
> On Aug 8, 2023, at 12:13 PM, Craig Newman via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> What happens if you set the top of the SE window a bit higher than current?
> 
> I have a gadget that locates the SE on my portrait monitor on command. I could easily make its top anything I want, and I bet that would display the hidden bottom of the window.
> 
> Craig
> 
> On Aug 8, 2023, at 1:39 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com<mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
> 
> Resetting prefs fixed it. Should be a better way than starting from scratch though.
> 
> Bob S
> 
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From dsc at swcp.com  Tue Aug  8 18:45:19 2023
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 16:45:19 -0600
Subject: Unable to build for Mac: adding ad-hoc signature failed
In-Reply-To: <9EAE9EBA-219E-40F3-809A-AF9DB3636FA4@swcp.com>
References: <092054D1-2815-43AA-9869-4F67A1A545FD@swcp.com>
 <189d1f4b2b0.276f.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <791E7A1D-BB61-4C02-8D8B-F172C8C8AA88@swcp.com>
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 <189d5e89d78.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
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Message-ID: <1668D981-FCD1-49FF-9000-443115BA0332@swcp.com>

I have a clue. I changed the build destination to a drive on my Mac. That seemed to have gotten past that error and I ran into other errors.

I guess building expects a drive on my Mac. And my Mac returns a bogus error message. 

I suggest one of these as an improvement to the build operation:

*   Complain and advise when the target is on a network drive.
*   Build the standalone in a temporary location on the local drive and then copy to the network drive when the target is on a network drive.

I got past that error, but now I am running into others. They look familiar. I think the problem is that I’m not remembering the magic steps related to saving, purging and so on. I’m not sure, since I can build for Windows. (I can probably stumble through what I did long, long ago, but might figure it out faster.) 

Suggestion:

*   I should not have to remember.

Thanks, everybody, for your help!

Dar

> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:47 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Oh, and I’m building from a network drive.
> 
> 
>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:41 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> xcode-select -p
>> /Library/Developer/CommandLineTools
>> 
>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:19 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I removed all inclusions. I opted to remove all profiles, probably none. There are no Copy Files. I’m building for Intel only. 
>>> 
>>> For PLIST I chose Chose a PLIST and then clicked Use None.
>>> 
>>> I set my bundle identifier and have not changed that among my attempts. I left all of the other Version Information as default. 
>>> 
>>> I have no Icons added.
>>> 
>>> I get the same error.
>>> 
>>> Dar
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:08 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Signing happens after the app is built and is a manual process, so yours isn't signed /notarized yet. But unsigned apps run on the development machine anyway, so I'd say you built the app successfully.
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>>> On August 8, 2023 10:47:34 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I have, but I don’t do any signing or notarizing. If that happens transparently, then it’s working for me.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Bob S
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 6:59 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks, Jacque!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> That gives me a clue. I will try to get more info on this.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> However, that note shows how to delete the offending resource using the xattr tool, but I have no app to point it to. LiveCode did not build anything.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I’m willing to try some magic values in Standalone Application Settings.
>>>>>> 	I’m using LiveCode 9.6.9, but I’m willing to upgrade.
>>>>>> 	I’m on macOS Ventura.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Has anyone successfully built a Mac application recently?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Dar
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Aug 7, 2023, at 3:43 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> This might help:
>>>>>>> <https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/qa/qa1940/_index.html>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>>> On August 7, 2023 12:49:03 PM Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I’m having trouble building an application for Mac Intel.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> The first time LiveCode crashed.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Subsequent times, I get this error:
>>>>>>>> There was an error while saving the standalone application
>>>>>>>> Adding ad-hoc signature failed with error:
>>>>>>>> /…/myProgram.app:
>>>>>>>> Replacing existing signature
>>>>>>>> /…/myProgram.app:
>>>>>>>> Resource for, Finder information, or similar detritus not
>>>>>>>> Allowed
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I tried fiddling with the PLIST settings without success.
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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>>>>>>> 
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From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Tue Aug  8 19:13:15 2023
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2023 01:13:15 +0200
Subject: Unable to build for Mac: adding ad-hoc signature failed
In-Reply-To: <1668D981-FCD1-49FF-9000-443115BA0332@swcp.com>
References: <092054D1-2815-43AA-9869-4F67A1A545FD@swcp.com>
 <189d1f4b2b0.276f.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <791E7A1D-BB61-4C02-8D8B-F172C8C8AA88@swcp.com>
 <BCDED9A6-42C2-43F6-B54E-D9618E0F8BD6@iotecdigital.com>
 <189d5e89d78.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <656E739B-E786-4862-A0D0-54798D7A9CCF@swcp.com>
 <ED4B12E1-4688-4E95-B96E-143F91EBEBDB@swcp.com>
 <9EAE9EBA-219E-40F3-809A-AF9DB3636FA4@swcp.com>
 <1668D981-FCD1-49FF-9000-443115BA0332@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <82E6090C-9B49-4F7E-98AF-5B6F66DD18D4@m-r-d.de>

Hi Dar,

just a shot in the dark....

For some time now Livecode does an adhoc code signing when creating a macOS standalone. So therefore the Xcode command line tools have to be installed.
In case you have installed more than one versions of Xcode on your system, did you select in Xcode preferences the correct Xcode standalone tools that shall be used?

Regards,
Matthias


> Am 09.08.2023 um 00:45 schrieb Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> I have a clue. I changed the build destination to a drive on my Mac. That seemed to have gotten past that error and I ran into other errors.
> 
> I guess building expects a drive on my Mac. And my Mac returns a bogus error message. 
> 
> I suggest one of these as an improvement to the build operation:
> 
> *   Complain and advise when the target is on a network drive.
> *   Build the standalone in a temporary location on the local drive and then copy to the network drive when the target is on a network drive.
> 
> I got past that error, but now I am running into others. They look familiar. I think the problem is that I’m not remembering the magic steps related to saving, purging and so on. I’m not sure, since I can build for Windows. (I can probably stumble through what I did long, long ago, but might figure it out faster.) 
> 
> Suggestion:
> 
> *   I should not have to remember.
> 
> Thanks, everybody, for your help!
> 
> Dar
> 
>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:47 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Oh, and I’m building from a network drive.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:41 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> xcode-select -p
>>> /Library/Developer/CommandLineTools
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:19 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I removed all inclusions. I opted to remove all profiles, probably none. There are no Copy Files. I’m building for Intel only. 
>>>> 
>>>> For PLIST I chose Chose a PLIST and then clicked Use None.
>>>> 
>>>> I set my bundle identifier and have not changed that among my attempts. I left all of the other Version Information as default. 
>>>> 
>>>> I have no Icons added.
>>>> 
>>>> I get the same error.
>>>> 
>>>> Dar
>>>> 
>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:08 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Signing happens after the app is built and is a manual process, so yours isn't signed /notarized yet. But unsigned apps run on the development machine anyway, so I'd say you built the app successfully.
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>>>> On August 8, 2023 10:47:34 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I have, but I don’t do any signing or notarizing. If that happens transparently, then it’s working for me.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Bob S
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 6:59 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thanks, Jacque!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> That gives me a clue. I will try to get more info on this.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> However, that note shows how to delete the offending resource using the xattr tool, but I have no app to point it to. LiveCode did not build anything.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I’m willing to try some magic values in Standalone Application Settings.
>>>>>>> 	I’m using LiveCode 9.6.9, but I’m willing to upgrade.
>>>>>>> 	I’m on macOS Ventura.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Has anyone successfully built a Mac application recently?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Dar
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Aug 7, 2023, at 3:43 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> This might help:
>>>>>>>> <https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/qa/qa1940/_index.html>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>>>> On August 7, 2023 12:49:03 PM Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I’m having trouble building an application for Mac Intel.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> The first time LiveCode crashed.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Subsequent times, I get this error:
>>>>>>>>> There was an error while saving the standalone application
>>>>>>>>> Adding ad-hoc signature failed with error:
>>>>>>>>> /…/myProgram.app:
>>>>>>>>> Replacing existing signature
>>>>>>>>> /…/myProgram.app:
>>>>>>>>> Resource for, Finder information, or similar detritus not
>>>>>>>>> Allowed
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I tried fiddling with the PLIST settings without success.
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>>>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>>>>>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Aug  8 19:15:08 2023
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 23:15:08 +0000
Subject: Sorting Arrays
Message-ID: <F45E93C0-C185-4E9D-99AC-7136847CC350@iotecdigital.com>

Has anyone come across a need to sort a numbered array by the values of the different keys? Here you go. Keep in mind that there is no error checking so I have no idea what would happen if you provided a sort key that didn’t exist in the array. 

on sortNumberedArray @pArrayDataA, pSortKeys
   /*
   Provide a numbered array of key value pairs and a comma delimited list of the sort order you want. 
   Ex. "filename,version numeric descending". 
   The result will be numbered array resorted by the sort order you provide. 
   */
   put the keys of pArrayDataA into tKeyList
   sort tKeyList numeric ascending
   put the number of items of pSortKeys into tSortKeyCount
   
   -- convert the sort keys to an array
   repeat with i = the number of items of pSortKeys down to 1
      put item i of pSortKeys into tSortIndex
      
      repeat with x = the number of words of tSortIndex down to 1
         put word x of tSortIndex into tKeyWord
         
         switch 
            case tKeyWord is among the items of "asc,ascending,desc,descending"
               put tKeyWord into tSortKeysA [i] ["sortorder"] 
               break
            case tKeyWord is "International,Numeric,datetime,text,binary"
               put tKeyWord into tSortKeysA [i] ["sorttype"]
               break
            default
               put word 1 to x of tSortIndex into tSortKeysA [i] ["sortvalue"]
         end switch
      end repeat
   end repeat
   
   -- build a comma delimited list of sort keys from the passed array
   put the keys of pArrayDataA into tInputKeyList
   sort tInputKeyList numeric ascending
   repeat for each line tLine in tInputKeyList
      put the keys of tSortKeysA into tSortKeyList
      sort lines of tSortKeyList numeric
      repeat for each line tSortLine in tSortKeyList
         put tSortKeysA [tSortLine] ["sortvalue"] into tSortValue
         put pArrayDataA [tLine] [tSortValue] into item tSortLine of line tLine of tSortValueList
      end repeat
      put "," & tLine after tSortValueList 
   end repeat
   
   -- sort the list
   put the keys of tSortKeysA into tSortKeyList
   sort tSortKeyList numeric descending
   repeat for each line tKey in tSortKeyList
      put "sort lines of tSortValueList" && tSortKeysA [tKey] ["sortorder"] && tSortKeysA [tKey] ["sorttype"] && \
            "by item" && tkey && "of each" into tSortCommand
      do tSortCommand
   end repeat
   
   -- convert the list back to an array
   repeat for each line tLine in tSortValueList
      add 1 to tArrayCounter
      put item -1 of tLine into tArrayIndex
      put pArrayDataA [tArrayIndex] into tOutArrayA [tArrayCounter]
   end repeat
   
   put tOutArrayA into pArrayDataA
end sortNumberedArray

Bob S


From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Wed Aug  9 01:32:30 2023
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2023 07:32:30 +0200
Subject: Unable to build for Mac: adding ad-hoc signature failed
In-Reply-To: <82E6090C-9B49-4F7E-98AF-5B6F66DD18D4@m-r-d.de>
References: <092054D1-2815-43AA-9869-4F67A1A545FD@swcp.com>
 <189d1f4b2b0.276f.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <791E7A1D-BB61-4C02-8D8B-F172C8C8AA88@swcp.com>
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 <656E739B-E786-4862-A0D0-54798D7A9CCF@swcp.com>
 <ED4B12E1-4688-4E95-B96E-143F91EBEBDB@swcp.com>
 <9EAE9EBA-219E-40F3-809A-AF9DB3636FA4@swcp.com>
 <1668D981-FCD1-49FF-9000-443115BA0332@swcp.com>
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Message-ID: <C9A94B80-2A25-4E75-A978-38F82CDC25FD@m-r-d.de>

Forgot my answer, i just saw your post that your error where caused because of building to a network drive.

I had similar problems btw. in the past when building to a dropbox folder or a folder that was synchronized with iCloud.

Regards,
Matthias



> Am 09.08.2023 um 01:13 schrieb matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de:
> 
> Hi Dar,
> 
> just a shot in the dark....
> 
> For some time now Livecode does an adhoc code signing when creating a macOS standalone. So therefore the Xcode command line tools have to be installed.
> In case you have installed more than one versions of Xcode on your system, did you select in Xcode preferences the correct Xcode standalone tools that shall be used?
> 
> Regards,
> Matthias
> 
> 
>> Am 09.08.2023 um 00:45 schrieb Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>> 
>> I have a clue. I changed the build destination to a drive on my Mac. That seemed to have gotten past that error and I ran into other errors.
>> 
>> I guess building expects a drive on my Mac. And my Mac returns a bogus error message. 
>> 
>> I suggest one of these as an improvement to the build operation:
>> 
>> *   Complain and advise when the target is on a network drive.
>> *   Build the standalone in a temporary location on the local drive and then copy to the network drive when the target is on a network drive.
>> 
>> I got past that error, but now I am running into others. They look familiar. I think the problem is that I’m not remembering the magic steps related to saving, purging and so on. I’m not sure, since I can build for Windows. (I can probably stumble through what I did long, long ago, but might figure it out faster.) 
>> 
>> Suggestion:
>> 
>> *   I should not have to remember.
>> 
>> Thanks, everybody, for your help!
>> 
>> Dar
>> 
>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:47 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Oh, and I’m building from a network drive.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:41 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> xcode-select -p
>>>> /Library/Developer/CommandLineTools
>>>> 
>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:19 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I removed all inclusions. I opted to remove all profiles, probably none. There are no Copy Files. I’m building for Intel only. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> For PLIST I chose Chose a PLIST and then clicked Use None.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I set my bundle identifier and have not changed that among my attempts. I left all of the other Version Information as default. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have no Icons added.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I get the same error.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Dar
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:08 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Signing happens after the app is built and is a manual process, so yours isn't signed /notarized yet. But unsigned apps run on the development machine anyway, so I'd say you built the app successfully.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>> On August 8, 2023 10:47:34 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I have, but I don’t do any signing or notarizing. If that happens transparently, then it’s working for me.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Bob S
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 6:59 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Thanks, Jacque!
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> That gives me a clue. I will try to get more info on this.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> However, that note shows how to delete the offending resource using the xattr tool, but I have no app to point it to. LiveCode did not build anything.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I’m willing to try some magic values in Standalone Application Settings.
>>>>>>>> 	I’m using LiveCode 9.6.9, but I’m willing to upgrade.
>>>>>>>> 	I’m on macOS Ventura.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Has anyone successfully built a Mac application recently?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Dar
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Aug 7, 2023, at 3:43 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> This might help:
>>>>>>>>> <https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/qa/qa1940/_index.html>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>>>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>>>>> On August 7, 2023 12:49:03 PM Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I’m having trouble building an application for Mac Intel.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> The first time LiveCode crashed.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Subsequent times, I get this error:
>>>>>>>>>> There was an error while saving the standalone application
>>>>>>>>>> Adding ad-hoc signature failed with error:
>>>>>>>>>> /…/myProgram.app:
>>>>>>>>>> Replacing existing signature
>>>>>>>>>> /…/myProgram.app:
>>>>>>>>>> Resource for, Finder information, or similar detritus not
>>>>>>>>>> Allowed
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I tried fiddling with the PLIST settings without success.
>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>>>>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>>>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>>>>>>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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From merakosp at gmail.com  Wed Aug  9 04:04:45 2023
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis m)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2023 11:04:45 +0300
Subject: Unable to build for Mac: adding ad-hoc signature failed
In-Reply-To: <C9A94B80-2A25-4E75-A978-38F82CDC25FD@m-r-d.de>
References: <092054D1-2815-43AA-9869-4F67A1A545FD@swcp.com>
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 <9EAE9EBA-219E-40F3-809A-AF9DB3636FA4@swcp.com>
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Hello Dar,

I can successfully build a Mac standalone in a network drive.

The error you are getting indicates that the app the standalone builder
tries to codesign, has some extended attributes. This is strange, because
the standalone builder does this very thing (i.e. it clears the extended
attributes) just before the codesign command.

I am wondering - do you get the same error when trying to build a
standalone from a new simple stack? Or does that happen only with a
specific stack? If the latter, does this stack contain anything in the Copy
Files?

Kind regards,
Panos

On Wed, 9 Aug 2023 at 08:33, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Forgot my answer, i just saw your post that your error where caused
> because of building to a network drive.
>
> I had similar problems btw. in the past when building to a dropbox folder
> or a folder that was synchronized with iCloud.
>
> Regards,
> Matthias
>
>
>
> > Am 09.08.2023 um 01:13 schrieb matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de:
> >
> > Hi Dar,
> >
> > just a shot in the dark....
> >
> > For some time now Livecode does an adhoc code signing when creating a
> macOS standalone. So therefore the Xcode command line tools have to be
> installed.
> > In case you have installed more than one versions of Xcode on your
> system, did you select in Xcode preferences the correct Xcode standalone
> tools that shall be used?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Matthias
> >
> >
> >> Am 09.08.2023 um 00:45 schrieb Dar Scott via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> >>
> >> I have a clue. I changed the build destination to a drive on my Mac.
> That seemed to have gotten past that error and I ran into other errors.
> >>
> >> I guess building expects a drive on my Mac. And my Mac returns a bogus
> error message.
> >>
> >> I suggest one of these as an improvement to the build operation:
> >>
> >> *   Complain and advise when the target is on a network drive.
> >> *   Build the standalone in a temporary location on the local drive and
> then copy to the network drive when the target is on a network drive.
> >>
> >> I got past that error, but now I am running into others. They look
> familiar. I think the problem is that I’m not remembering the magic steps
> related to saving, purging and so on. I’m not sure, since I can build for
> Windows. (I can probably stumble through what I did long, long ago, but
> might figure it out faster.)
> >>
> >> Suggestion:
> >>
> >> *   I should not have to remember.
> >>
> >> Thanks, everybody, for your help!
> >>
> >> Dar
> >>
> >>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:47 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Oh, and I’m building from a network drive.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:41 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> xcode-select -p
> >>>> /Library/Developer/CommandLineTools
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:19 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I removed all inclusions. I opted to remove all profiles, probably
> none. There are no Copy Files. I’m building for Intel only.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> For PLIST I chose Chose a PLIST and then clicked Use None.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I set my bundle identifier and have not changed that among my
> attempts. I left all of the other Version Information as default.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I have no Icons added.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I get the same error.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Dar
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:08 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Signing happens after the app is built and is a manual process, so
> yours isn't signed /notarized yet. But unsigned apps run on the development
> machine anyway, so I'd say you built the app successfully.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> >>>>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> >>>>>> On August 8, 2023 10:47:34 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I have, but I don’t do any signing or notarizing. If that happens
> transparently, then it’s working for me.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Bob S
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 6:59 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Thanks, Jacque!
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> That gives me a clue. I will try to get more info on this.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> However, that note shows how to delete the offending resource
> using the xattr tool, but I have no app to point it to. LiveCode did not
> build anything.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I’m willing to try some magic values in Standalone Application
> Settings.
> >>>>>>>>        I’m using LiveCode 9.6.9, but I’m willing to upgrade.
> >>>>>>>>        I’m on macOS Ventura.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Has anyone successfully built a Mac application recently?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Dar
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Aug 7, 2023, at 3:43 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> This might help:
> >>>>>>>>> <
> https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/qa/qa1940/_index.html>
> >>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> >>>>>>>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> >>>>>>>>> On August 7, 2023 12:49:03 PM Dar Scott via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I’m having trouble building an application for Mac Intel.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> The first time LiveCode crashed.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Subsequent times, I get this error:
> >>>>>>>>>> There was an error while saving the standalone application
> >>>>>>>>>> Adding ad-hoc signature failed with error:
> >>>>>>>>>> /…/myProgram.app:
> >>>>>>>>>> Replacing existing signature
> >>>>>>>>>> /…/myProgram.app:
> >>>>>>>>>> Resource for, Finder information, or similar detritus not
> >>>>>>>>>> Allowed
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I tried fiddling with the PLIST settings without success.
> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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From merakosp at gmail.com  Wed Aug  9 04:37:42 2023
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis m)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2023 11:37:42 +0300
Subject: Consumable In App Purchases on Android
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR12MB2709E338CDFFB345DC95F728B90DA@BYAPR12MB2709.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
References: <mailman.28.1691513283.100098.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
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Message-ID: <CA+JfEq9d7pXrAZ5t0OW+o20a=uhDkZVX0pR03Cp6jowquNxb9Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Dan,

The call to mobileStoreConfirmPurchase pProductID  causes the
purchaseStateUpdate message to be sent again with status=complete.

So I would not suggest putting the call to mobileStoreConsumePurchase
pProductID just after mobileStoreConfirmPurchase.

You could either put it in a separate button and see if it works, otherwise
add a [case "complete"] in the purchaseStateUpdate msg and there consume
the product and disable purchase updates, i.e.:

on purchaseStateUpdate pPurchaseID, pProductID, pState
   switch pState
      case "paymentReceived"
         answer "Payment received!"
         offerPurchasedProduct pProductID
         mobileStoreConfirmPurchase pProductID
         break
      case "error"
         answer "Error occured during purchase handling:" & return & return
& mobileStorePurchaseError(pPurchaseID)
         mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
         break
      case "invalidSKU"
         answer "Invalid SKU."
         mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
         break
      case "alreadyEntitled"
         answer "Already Owned."
         mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
         break
      case "restored"
         put "Restored: " & pProductID & cr after field "restored"
         offerPurchasedProduct pProductID
         mobileStoreConfirmPurchase pProductID
         break
      case "cancelled"
         answer "Purchase Cancelled:" && pProductID
         mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
         break
      case "complete"
         answer "Purchase Complete:" && pProductID
         mobileStoreConsumePurchase pProductID  // <-- ADD THIS HERE
         mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
         break
   end switch
end purchaseStateUpdate

Hope this helps.

Kind regards,
Panos
--



On Tue, 8 Aug 2023 at 22:52, Dan Friedman via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Andrew,
>
> Thank you for the input.   The code snippet you said you are using has
> mobileStoreConsumePurchase IMMEDIATELY following mobileStoreMakePurchase.
> Is that what you are doing?   The LC example show that
> mobileStoreMakePurchase should be handled in the purchaseStateUpdate
> message after the purchase is paymentReceived”
>
> If that’s true, then I feel like I’m doing exactly what you are
> suggesting.   The purchase is fine, but the consumption if not working for
> me.   Here’s what I’m doing:
>
> on startInAppPurchase numCredits
>   //setup purchase id
>   if numCredits = 1 then
>     put 1001 into productID
>     put "$0.99" into productAmount
>   else if numCredits = 2 then
>     put 1002 into productID
>     put "$1.99" into productAmount
>   else if numCredits = 3 then
>     put 1003 into productID
>     put "$2.99" into productAmount
>   else if numCredits = 11 then
>     put 1011 into productID
>     put "$9.99" into productAmount
>   end if
>
>   //confirm with user
>   if numCredits = 1 then
>     put "Are you sure you want to purchase 1 credit for" && productAmount
> & "?" into pString
>   else
>     put "Are you sure you want to purchase" && numCredits && "credits for"
> && productAmount & "?" into pString
>   end if
>   if myAnswer(pString,"Cancel|Buy Now","Purchase Confirmation","|appBlue")
> = "Cancel" then //my custom answer dialog
>     exit startInAppPurchase
>   end if
>
>   //initiate the purchase
>   mobileStoreEnablePurchaseUpdates
>   mobileStoreSetProductType productID,"inapp"
>   mobileStoreMakePurchase productID,"1","testPayload - Android Only"
> end startInAppPurchase
>
> on purchaseStateUpdate pPurchaseID,pProductID,pState
>   global user
>
>   switch pState
>     case "paymentReceived"
>       put mobilePurchaseGet(pPurchaseID,"receipt") into rawReciptData
>
>       //tell our server is was sucessful and log users credits to database
>       if isIPhone() then
>         if db_validateAppleReceipt(rawReciptData) then
>           add (pProductID-1000) to user["credits"]
>         end if
>       else
>         //will add Android database call when ready
>       end if
>
>       mobileStoreConfirmPurchase pProductID //Inform the store that the
> purchase identifier productID was successfully delivered
>       if isAndroid() then
>         mobileStoreConsumePurchase pProductID. //  <--- DOES NOT SEEM TO
> CONSUME THE PRODUCT !!
>       end if
>
>       mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
>       loadMeUp //refresh our display
>       break
>     case "error"
>       answer "Error occured during purchase handling:" & return & return &
> mobileStorePurchaseError(pPurchaseID)
>       mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
>       break
>     case "invalidSKU"
>       answer "Invalid SKU."
>       mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
>       break
>     case "alreadyEntitled"
>       answer "Already Owned."
>       mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
>       break
>     case "restored"
>       answer "restored"
>      offerPurchasedProduct pProductID
>       mobileStoreConfirmPurchase pProductID
>       mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
>
>       loadMeUp //refresh our display
>       break
>     case "canceled"
>     case "cancelled"
>       answer "Purchase Cancelled:" && pProductID
>       mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
>       break
>   end switch
> end purchaseStateUpdate
>
>
>
> Do you see anything wonky in my code?
>
> --Dan
>
> From: use-livecode <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com> on behalf of
> Andrew at MidWest Coast Media via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Date: Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 10:57 AM
> To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Cc: Andrew at MidWest Coast Media <andrew at midwestcoastmedia.com>
> Subject: Re: Consumable In App Purchases on Android
> If I’m consuming instantly, this is the code working in my Android/iOS
> project with comment lines explaining the values being passed in the
> Android build (note that the product ID values are more specific for
> Android than iOS):
>
>         if tPlatform = "android" then
>                  put "com.midwestcoastmedia.dj3pm." into tProductIDbase
>          else if tPlatform = "iPhone" then
>                  put EMPTY into tProductIDbase
>         end if
>         put tProductIDbase & pWhichProduct into tProductID
>
>       mobileStoreEnablePurchaseUpdates
>       ## mobileStoreSetProductType "com.midwestcoastmedia.dj3pm.tip01",
> "inapp"
>       mobileStoreSetProductType tProductID, "inapp"
>       ## mobileStoreMakePurchase "com.midwestcoastmedia.dj3pm.tip01", "1",
> "Thanks for the buck!"
>       mobileStoreMakePurchase tProductID, "1", tMessage
>       ## mobileStoreConsumePurchase "com.midwestcoastmedia.dj3pm.tip01"
>       mobileStoreConsumePurchase tProductID
>       put the result into tCatch
>
> BUT you’ll also need to implement the on purchaseStateUpdate handler to
> completely execute the purchase cycle. The lesson is sometimes hard to
> follow when Android changes their branding/naming but
> https://lessons.livecode.com/m/4069/l/184481-how-do-i-implement-in-app-purchases-in-livecode-google-play-store
> <
> https://lessons.livecode.com/m/4069/l/184481-how-do-i-implement-in-app-purchases-in-livecode-google-play-store>
> has a good example of this.
>
> —Andrew Bell
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From dsc at swcp.com  Wed Aug  9 07:55:21 2023
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2023 05:55:21 -0600
Subject: Unable to build for Mac: adding ad-hoc signature failed
In-Reply-To: <82E6090C-9B49-4F7E-98AF-5B6F66DD18D4@m-r-d.de>
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Message-ID: <225B24AD-0BCA-4A06-90E1-53374E16FCD4@swcp.com>

I don’t know what I did. Building for Mac Intel works just fine. I’ll add my inclusions and such.

I don’t have Xcode on this system. Perhaps there are some command line tools suitable that come with macOS. 

I still feel defensive that Mac said “detritus”. ;-)

> On Aug 8, 2023, at 5:13 PM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Dar,
> 
> just a shot in the dark....
> 
> For some time now Livecode does an adhoc code signing when creating a macOS standalone. So therefore the Xcode command line tools have to be installed.
> In case you have installed more than one versions of Xcode on your system, did you select in Xcode preferences the correct Xcode standalone tools that shall be used?
> 
> Regards,
> Matthias
> 
> 
>> Am 09.08.2023 um 00:45 schrieb Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>> 
>> I have a clue. I changed the build destination to a drive on my Mac. That seemed to have gotten past that error and I ran into other errors.
>> 
>> I guess building expects a drive on my Mac. And my Mac returns a bogus error message. 
>> 
>> I suggest one of these as an improvement to the build operation:
>> 
>> *   Complain and advise when the target is on a network drive.
>> *   Build the standalone in a temporary location on the local drive and then copy to the network drive when the target is on a network drive.
>> 
>> I got past that error, but now I am running into others. They look familiar. I think the problem is that I’m not remembering the magic steps related to saving, purging and so on. I’m not sure, since I can build for Windows. (I can probably stumble through what I did long, long ago, but might figure it out faster.) 
>> 
>> Suggestion:
>> 
>> *   I should not have to remember.
>> 
>> Thanks, everybody, for your help!
>> 
>> Dar
>> 
>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:47 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Oh, and I’m building from a network drive.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:41 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> xcode-select -p
>>>> /Library/Developer/CommandLineTools
>>>> 
>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:19 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I removed all inclusions. I opted to remove all profiles, probably none. There are no Copy Files. I’m building for Intel only. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> For PLIST I chose Chose a PLIST and then clicked Use None.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I set my bundle identifier and have not changed that among my attempts. I left all of the other Version Information as default. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have no Icons added.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I get the same error.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Dar
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:08 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Signing happens after the app is built and is a manual process, so yours isn't signed /notarized yet. But unsigned apps run on the development machine anyway, so I'd say you built the app successfully.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>> On August 8, 2023 10:47:34 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I have, but I don’t do any signing or notarizing. If that happens transparently, then it’s working for me.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Bob S
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 6:59 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Thanks, Jacque!
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> That gives me a clue. I will try to get more info on this.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> However, that note shows how to delete the offending resource using the xattr tool, but I have no app to point it to. LiveCode did not build anything.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I’m willing to try some magic values in Standalone Application Settings.
>>>>>>>> 	I’m using LiveCode 9.6.9, but I’m willing to upgrade.
>>>>>>>> 	I’m on macOS Ventura.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Has anyone successfully built a Mac application recently?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Dar
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Aug 7, 2023, at 3:43 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> This might help:
>>>>>>>>> <https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/qa/qa1940/_index.html>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>>>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>>>>> On August 7, 2023 12:49:03 PM Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I’m having trouble building an application for Mac Intel.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> The first time LiveCode crashed.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Subsequent times, I get this error:
>>>>>>>>>> There was an error while saving the standalone application
>>>>>>>>>> Adding ad-hoc signature failed with error:
>>>>>>>>>> /…/myProgram.app:
>>>>>>>>>> Replacing existing signature
>>>>>>>>>> /…/myProgram.app:
>>>>>>>>>> Resource for, Finder information, or similar detritus not
>>>>>>>>>> Allowed
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I tried fiddling with the PLIST settings without success.
>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>>>>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>>>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>>>>>>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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From dsc at swcp.com  Wed Aug  9 08:17:14 2023
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2023 06:17:14 -0600
Subject: Unable to build for Mac: adding ad-hoc signature failed
In-Reply-To: <225B24AD-0BCA-4A06-90E1-53374E16FCD4@swcp.com>
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Whoops, I sent the most recent before I saw that Panos had responded.

Panos, yes, a build to the network drive with a minimal stack has the error. This minimal stack has a name of Test, no inclusions, no copy files.

The drive provides SMB, AFP and NFS services.

Dar

> On Aug 9, 2023, at 5:55 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I don’t know what I did. Building for Mac Intel works just fine. I’ll add my inclusions and such.
> 
> I don’t have Xcode on this system. Perhaps there are some command line tools suitable that come with macOS. 
> 
> I still feel defensive that Mac said “detritus”. ;-)
> 
>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 5:13 PM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Dar,
>> 
>> just a shot in the dark....
>> 
>> For some time now Livecode does an adhoc code signing when creating a macOS standalone. So therefore the Xcode command line tools have to be installed.
>> In case you have installed more than one versions of Xcode on your system, did you select in Xcode preferences the correct Xcode standalone tools that shall be used?
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Matthias
>> 
>> 
>>> Am 09.08.2023 um 00:45 schrieb Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>> 
>>> I have a clue. I changed the build destination to a drive on my Mac. That seemed to have gotten past that error and I ran into other errors.
>>> 
>>> I guess building expects a drive on my Mac. And my Mac returns a bogus error message. 
>>> 
>>> I suggest one of these as an improvement to the build operation:
>>> 
>>> *   Complain and advise when the target is on a network drive.
>>> *   Build the standalone in a temporary location on the local drive and then copy to the network drive when the target is on a network drive.
>>> 
>>> I got past that error, but now I am running into others. They look familiar. I think the problem is that I’m not remembering the magic steps related to saving, purging and so on. I’m not sure, since I can build for Windows. (I can probably stumble through what I did long, long ago, but might figure it out faster.) 
>>> 
>>> Suggestion:
>>> 
>>> *   I should not have to remember.
>>> 
>>> Thanks, everybody, for your help!
>>> 
>>> Dar
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:47 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Oh, and I’m building from a network drive.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:41 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> xcode-select -p
>>>>> /Library/Developer/CommandLineTools
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:19 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I removed all inclusions. I opted to remove all profiles, probably none. There are no Copy Files. I’m building for Intel only. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> For PLIST I chose Chose a PLIST and then clicked Use None.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I set my bundle identifier and have not changed that among my attempts. I left all of the other Version Information as default. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I have no Icons added.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I get the same error.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Dar
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:08 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Signing happens after the app is built and is a manual process, so yours isn't signed /notarized yet. But unsigned apps run on the development machine anyway, so I'd say you built the app successfully.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>>> On August 8, 2023 10:47:34 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I have, but I don’t do any signing or notarizing. If that happens transparently, then it’s working for me.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Bob S
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 6:59 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Thanks, Jacque!
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> That gives me a clue. I will try to get more info on this.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> However, that note shows how to delete the offending resource using the xattr tool, but I have no app to point it to. LiveCode did not build anything.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I’m willing to try some magic values in Standalone Application Settings.
>>>>>>>>> 	I’m using LiveCode 9.6.9, but I’m willing to upgrade.
>>>>>>>>> 	I’m on macOS Ventura.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Has anyone successfully built a Mac application recently?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Dar
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 7, 2023, at 3:43 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> This might help:
>>>>>>>>>> <https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/qa/qa1940/_index.html>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>>>>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>>>>>> On August 7, 2023 12:49:03 PM Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I’m having trouble building an application for Mac Intel.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> The first time LiveCode crashed.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Subsequent times, I get this error:
>>>>>>>>>>> There was an error while saving the standalone application
>>>>>>>>>>> Adding ad-hoc signature failed with error:
>>>>>>>>>>> /…/myProgram.app:
>>>>>>>>>>> Replacing existing signature
>>>>>>>>>>> /…/myProgram.app:
>>>>>>>>>>> Resource for, Finder information, or similar detritus not
>>>>>>>>>>> Allowed
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I tried fiddling with the PLIST settings without success.
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>>>>>>>>>> 
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From dsc at swcp.com  Wed Aug  9 08:40:31 2023
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2023 06:40:31 -0600
Subject: Unable to build for Mac: adding ad-hoc signature failed
In-Reply-To: <16BFC241-A4D7-4A3F-8D9E-395B0174AAD0@swcp.com>
References: <092054D1-2815-43AA-9869-4F67A1A545FD@swcp.com>
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Message-ID: <B3210F88-8D33-4594-8166-96697AADBBAF@swcp.com>

I wonder. I don’t have Xcode installed on this machine. Does installing Xcode change the command-line tools? Maybe those tools that are the default work a little differently.

I’m willing to install Xcode, but before that maybe I can provide some information (such as version) about any particular tools.

Dar

> On Aug 9, 2023, at 6:17 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Whoops, I sent the most recent before I saw that Panos had responded.
> 
> Panos, yes, a build to the network drive with a minimal stack has the error. This minimal stack has a name of Test, no inclusions, no copy files.
> 
> The drive provides SMB, AFP and NFS services.
> 
> Dar
> 
>> On Aug 9, 2023, at 5:55 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I don’t know what I did. Building for Mac Intel works just fine. I’ll add my inclusions and such.
>> 
>> I don’t have Xcode on this system. Perhaps there are some command line tools suitable that come with macOS. 
>> 
>> I still feel defensive that Mac said “detritus”. ;-)
>> 
>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 5:13 PM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Dar,
>>> 
>>> just a shot in the dark....
>>> 
>>> For some time now Livecode does an adhoc code signing when creating a macOS standalone. So therefore the Xcode command line tools have to be installed.
>>> In case you have installed more than one versions of Xcode on your system, did you select in Xcode preferences the correct Xcode standalone tools that shall be used?
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Matthias
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Am 09.08.2023 um 00:45 schrieb Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>>> 
>>>> I have a clue. I changed the build destination to a drive on my Mac. That seemed to have gotten past that error and I ran into other errors.
>>>> 
>>>> I guess building expects a drive on my Mac. And my Mac returns a bogus error message. 
>>>> 
>>>> I suggest one of these as an improvement to the build operation:
>>>> 
>>>> *   Complain and advise when the target is on a network drive.
>>>> *   Build the standalone in a temporary location on the local drive and then copy to the network drive when the target is on a network drive.
>>>> 
>>>> I got past that error, but now I am running into others. They look familiar. I think the problem is that I’m not remembering the magic steps related to saving, purging and so on. I’m not sure, since I can build for Windows. (I can probably stumble through what I did long, long ago, but might figure it out faster.) 
>>>> 
>>>> Suggestion:
>>>> 
>>>> *   I should not have to remember.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks, everybody, for your help!
>>>> 
>>>> Dar
>>>> 
>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:47 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Oh, and I’m building from a network drive.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:41 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> xcode-select -p
>>>>>> /Library/Developer/CommandLineTools
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:19 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I removed all inclusions. I opted to remove all profiles, probably none. There are no Copy Files. I’m building for Intel only. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> For PLIST I chose Chose a PLIST and then clicked Use None.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I set my bundle identifier and have not changed that among my attempts. I left all of the other Version Information as default. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I have no Icons added.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I get the same error.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Dar
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:08 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Signing happens after the app is built and is a manual process, so yours isn't signed /notarized yet. But unsigned apps run on the development machine anyway, so I'd say you built the app successfully.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>>>> On August 8, 2023 10:47:34 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I have, but I don’t do any signing or notarizing. If that happens transparently, then it’s working for me.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Bob S
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 6:59 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, Jacque!
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> That gives me a clue. I will try to get more info on this.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> However, that note shows how to delete the offending resource using the xattr tool, but I have no app to point it to. LiveCode did not build anything.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I’m willing to try some magic values in Standalone Application Settings.
>>>>>>>>>> 	I’m using LiveCode 9.6.9, but I’m willing to upgrade.
>>>>>>>>>> 	I’m on macOS Ventura.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Has anyone successfully built a Mac application recently?
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Dar
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 7, 2023, at 3:43 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> This might help:
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/qa/qa1940/_index.html>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>>>>>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>>>>>>> On August 7, 2023 12:49:03 PM Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> I’m having trouble building an application for Mac Intel.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> The first time LiveCode crashed.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subsequent times, I get this error:
>>>>>>>>>>>> There was an error while saving the standalone application
>>>>>>>>>>>> Adding ad-hoc signature failed with error:
>>>>>>>>>>>> /…/myProgram.app:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Replacing existing signature
>>>>>>>>>>>> /…/myProgram.app:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Resource for, Finder information, or similar detritus not
>>>>>>>>>>>> Allowed
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> I tried fiddling with the PLIST settings without success.
>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>>>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
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From marksmithhfx at gmail.com  Wed Aug  9 09:28:54 2023
From: marksmithhfx at gmail.com (Mark Smith)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2023 14:28:54 +0100
Subject: Unable to build for Mac: adding ad-hoc signature failed
In-Reply-To: <B3210F88-8D33-4594-8166-96697AADBBAF@swcp.com>
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Message-ID: <960A584E-AB5D-435B-BBA1-D661E820C2FC@gmail.com>

Hi Dar,

> Does installing Xcode change the command-line tools? 

I think it should. Others will correct me if I’m wrong. 

> I’m willing to install Xcode, but before that maybe I can provide some information (such as version) about any particular tools.


I don’t know if this is of any help but there is a list of LC versions and compatible/required Xcode versions here… (in the first entry on the page)

https://livecode.com/resources/support/ask-a-question/ <https://livecode.com/resources/support/ask-a-question/>

Mark


> On 9 Aug 2023, at 1:40 pm, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I wonder. I don’t have Xcode installed on this machine. Does installing Xcode change the command-line tools? Maybe those tools that are the default work a little differently.
> 
> I’m willing to install Xcode, but before that maybe I can provide some information (such as version) about any particular tools.
> 
> Dar
> 
>> On Aug 9, 2023, at 6:17 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Whoops, I sent the most recent before I saw that Panos had responded.
>> 
>> Panos, yes, a build to the network drive with a minimal stack has the error. This minimal stack has a name of Test, no inclusions, no copy files.
>> 
>> The drive provides SMB, AFP and NFS services.
>> 
>> Dar
>> 
>>> On Aug 9, 2023, at 5:55 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I don’t know what I did. Building for Mac Intel works just fine. I’ll add my inclusions and such.
>>> 
>>> I don’t have Xcode on this system. Perhaps there are some command line tools suitable that come with macOS. 
>>> 
>>> I still feel defensive that Mac said “detritus”. ;-)
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 5:13 PM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Dar,
>>>> 
>>>> just a shot in the dark....
>>>> 
>>>> For some time now Livecode does an adhoc code signing when creating a macOS standalone. So therefore the Xcode command line tools have to be installed.
>>>> In case you have installed more than one versions of Xcode on your system, did you select in Xcode preferences the correct Xcode standalone tools that shall be used?
>>>> 
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Matthias
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Am 09.08.2023 um 00:45 schrieb Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have a clue. I changed the build destination to a drive on my Mac. That seemed to have gotten past that error and I ran into other errors.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I guess building expects a drive on my Mac. And my Mac returns a bogus error message. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I suggest one of these as an improvement to the build operation:
>>>>> 
>>>>> *   Complain and advise when the target is on a network drive.
>>>>> *   Build the standalone in a temporary location on the local drive and then copy to the network drive when the target is on a network drive.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I got past that error, but now I am running into others. They look familiar. I think the problem is that I’m not remembering the magic steps related to saving, purging and so on. I’m not sure, since I can build for Windows. (I can probably stumble through what I did long, long ago, but might figure it out faster.) 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Suggestion:
>>>>> 
>>>>> *   I should not have to remember.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks, everybody, for your help!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Dar
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:47 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Oh, and I’m building from a network drive.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:41 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> xcode-select -p
>>>>>>> /Library/Developer/CommandLineTools
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:19 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I removed all inclusions. I opted to remove all profiles, probably none. There are no Copy Files. I’m building for Intel only. 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> For PLIST I chose Chose a PLIST and then clicked Use None.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I set my bundle identifier and have not changed that among my attempts. I left all of the other Version Information as default. 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I have no Icons added.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I get the same error.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Dar
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:08 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Signing happens after the app is built and is a manual process, so yours isn't signed /notarized yet. But unsigned apps run on the development machine anyway, so I'd say you built the app successfully.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>>>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>>>>> On August 8, 2023 10:47:34 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I have, but I don’t do any signing or notarizing. If that happens transparently, then it’s working for me.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Bob S
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 6:59 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, Jacque!
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> That gives me a clue. I will try to get more info on this.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> However, that note shows how to delete the offending resource using the xattr tool, but I have no app to point it to. LiveCode did not build anything.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I’m willing to try some magic values in Standalone Application Settings.
>>>>>>>>>>> 	I’m using LiveCode 9.6.9, but I’m willing to upgrade.
>>>>>>>>>>> 	I’m on macOS Ventura.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Has anyone successfully built a Mac application recently?
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Dar
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 7, 2023, at 3:43 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> This might help:
>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/qa/qa1940/_index.html>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> On August 7, 2023 12:49:03 PM Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I’m having trouble building an application for Mac Intel.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The first time LiveCode crashed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subsequent times, I get this error:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> There was an error while saving the standalone application
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Adding ad-hoc signature failed with error:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> /…/myProgram.app:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Replacing existing signature
>>>>>>>>>>>>> /…/myProgram.app:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Resource for, Finder information, or similar detritus not
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Allowed
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I tried fiddling with the PLIST settings without success.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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>>>>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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>>>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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>>>>> 
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From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Wed Aug  9 09:41:41 2023
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2023 15:41:41 +0200
Subject: Unable to build for Mac: adding ad-hoc signature failed
In-Reply-To: <B3210F88-8D33-4594-8166-96697AADBBAF@swcp.com>
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Message-ID: <91780F92-7AF5-4777-9AC3-436F3EABE294@m-r-d.de>

Every version of Xocde come with it own version of command line tools. 
If you are just creating macOS standalones then you just need the command line tools.
But if you are also planning to create iOS apps then you'll need the complete Xcode package.

To install just the command line tools run the following command from terminal

xcode-select --install

This should download and install the most current version of command line tools or better said, the most current version that is available for your installed macOS.

Regards,
Matthias


> Am 09.08.2023 um 14:40 schrieb Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> I wonder. I don’t have Xcode installed on this machine. Does installing Xcode change the command-line tools? Maybe those tools that are the default work a little differently.
> 
> I’m willing to install Xcode, but before that maybe I can provide some information (such as version) about any particular tools.
> 
> Dar
> 
>> On Aug 9, 2023, at 6:17 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Whoops, I sent the most recent before I saw that Panos had responded.
>> 
>> Panos, yes, a build to the network drive with a minimal stack has the error. This minimal stack has a name of Test, no inclusions, no copy files.
>> 
>> The drive provides SMB, AFP and NFS services.
>> 
>> Dar
>> 
>>> On Aug 9, 2023, at 5:55 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I don’t know what I did. Building for Mac Intel works just fine. I’ll add my inclusions and such.
>>> 
>>> I don’t have Xcode on this system. Perhaps there are some command line tools suitable that come with macOS. 
>>> 
>>> I still feel defensive that Mac said “detritus”. ;-)
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 5:13 PM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Dar,
>>>> 
>>>> just a shot in the dark....
>>>> 
>>>> For some time now Livecode does an adhoc code signing when creating a macOS standalone. So therefore the Xcode command line tools have to be installed.
>>>> In case you have installed more than one versions of Xcode on your system, did you select in Xcode preferences the correct Xcode standalone tools that shall be used?
>>>> 
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Matthias
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Am 09.08.2023 um 00:45 schrieb Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have a clue. I changed the build destination to a drive on my Mac. That seemed to have gotten past that error and I ran into other errors.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I guess building expects a drive on my Mac. And my Mac returns a bogus error message. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I suggest one of these as an improvement to the build operation:
>>>>> 
>>>>> *   Complain and advise when the target is on a network drive.
>>>>> *   Build the standalone in a temporary location on the local drive and then copy to the network drive when the target is on a network drive.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I got past that error, but now I am running into others. They look familiar. I think the problem is that I’m not remembering the magic steps related to saving, purging and so on. I’m not sure, since I can build for Windows. (I can probably stumble through what I did long, long ago, but might figure it out faster.) 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Suggestion:
>>>>> 
>>>>> *   I should not have to remember.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks, everybody, for your help!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Dar
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:47 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Oh, and I’m building from a network drive.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:41 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> xcode-select -p
>>>>>>> /Library/Developer/CommandLineTools
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:19 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I removed all inclusions. I opted to remove all profiles, probably none. There are no Copy Files. I’m building for Intel only. 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> For PLIST I chose Chose a PLIST and then clicked Use None.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I set my bundle identifier and have not changed that among my attempts. I left all of the other Version Information as default. 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I have no Icons added.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I get the same error.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Dar
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:08 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Signing happens after the app is built and is a manual process, so yours isn't signed /notarized yet. But unsigned apps run on the development machine anyway, so I'd say you built the app successfully.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>>>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>>>>> On August 8, 2023 10:47:34 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I have, but I don’t do any signing or notarizing. If that happens transparently, then it’s working for me.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Bob S
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 6:59 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, Jacque!
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> That gives me a clue. I will try to get more info on this.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> However, that note shows how to delete the offending resource using the xattr tool, but I have no app to point it to. LiveCode did not build anything.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I’m willing to try some magic values in Standalone Application Settings.
>>>>>>>>>>> 	I’m using LiveCode 9.6.9, but I’m willing to upgrade.
>>>>>>>>>>> 	I’m on macOS Ventura.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Has anyone successfully built a Mac application recently?
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Dar
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 7, 2023, at 3:43 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> This might help:
>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/qa/qa1940/_index.html>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> On August 7, 2023 12:49:03 PM Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I’m having trouble building an application for Mac Intel.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The first time LiveCode crashed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subsequent times, I get this error:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> There was an error while saving the standalone application
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Adding ad-hoc signature failed with error:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> /…/myProgram.app:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Replacing existing signature
>>>>>>>>>>>>> /…/myProgram.app:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Resource for, Finder information, or similar detritus not
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Allowed
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I tried fiddling with the PLIST settings without success.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>>>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>>>>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>>>>>>>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>>>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>>>>>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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>>>>> 
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From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Wed Aug  9 09:46:35 2023
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2023 15:46:35 +0200
Subject: Unable to build for Mac: adding ad-hoc signature failed
In-Reply-To: <91780F92-7AF5-4777-9AC3-436F3EABE294@m-r-d.de>
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Message-ID: <73364263-B19C-4F1D-9984-7572C833998C@m-r-d.de>

And like the links says that Mark posted.

For iOS standalones every Livecode version supports a special Xcode version according to the installed macOS.
You'll find the information which works for your installed LC version also in the release notes of your LC version.
You'll find the release notes under the Help menu in LC.



> Am 09.08.2023 um 15:41 schrieb matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de:
> 
> Every version of Xocde come with it own version of command line tools. 
> If you are just creating macOS standalones then you just need the command line tools.
> But if you are also planning to create iOS apps then you'll need the complete Xcode package.
> 
> To install just the command line tools run the following command from terminal
> 
> xcode-select --install
> 
> This should download and install the most current version of command line tools or better said, the most current version that is available for your installed macOS.
> 
> Regards,
> Matthias
> 
> 
>> Am 09.08.2023 um 14:40 schrieb Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>> 
>> I wonder. I don’t have Xcode installed on this machine. Does installing Xcode change the command-line tools? Maybe those tools that are the default work a little differently.
>> 
>> I’m willing to install Xcode, but before that maybe I can provide some information (such as version) about any particular tools.
>> 
>> Dar
>> 
>>> On Aug 9, 2023, at 6:17 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Whoops, I sent the most recent before I saw that Panos had responded.
>>> 
>>> Panos, yes, a build to the network drive with a minimal stack has the error. This minimal stack has a name of Test, no inclusions, no copy files.
>>> 
>>> The drive provides SMB, AFP and NFS services.
>>> 
>>> Dar
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 9, 2023, at 5:55 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I don’t know what I did. Building for Mac Intel works just fine. I’ll add my inclusions and such.
>>>> 
>>>> I don’t have Xcode on this system. Perhaps there are some command line tools suitable that come with macOS. 
>>>> 
>>>> I still feel defensive that Mac said “detritus”. ;-)
>>>> 
>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 5:13 PM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Dar,
>>>>> 
>>>>> just a shot in the dark....
>>>>> 
>>>>> For some time now Livecode does an adhoc code signing when creating a macOS standalone. So therefore the Xcode command line tools have to be installed.
>>>>> In case you have installed more than one versions of Xcode on your system, did you select in Xcode preferences the correct Xcode standalone tools that shall be used?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Matthias
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Am 09.08.2023 um 00:45 schrieb Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I have a clue. I changed the build destination to a drive on my Mac. That seemed to have gotten past that error and I ran into other errors.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I guess building expects a drive on my Mac. And my Mac returns a bogus error message. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I suggest one of these as an improvement to the build operation:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> *   Complain and advise when the target is on a network drive.
>>>>>> *   Build the standalone in a temporary location on the local drive and then copy to the network drive when the target is on a network drive.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I got past that error, but now I am running into others. They look familiar. I think the problem is that I’m not remembering the magic steps related to saving, purging and so on. I’m not sure, since I can build for Windows. (I can probably stumble through what I did long, long ago, but might figure it out faster.) 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Suggestion:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> *   I should not have to remember.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks, everybody, for your help!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Dar
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:47 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Oh, and I’m building from a network drive.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:41 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> xcode-select -p
>>>>>>>> /Library/Developer/CommandLineTools
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:19 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I removed all inclusions. I opted to remove all profiles, probably none. There are no Copy Files. I’m building for Intel only. 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> For PLIST I chose Chose a PLIST and then clicked Use None.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I set my bundle identifier and have not changed that among my attempts. I left all of the other Version Information as default. 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I have no Icons added.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I get the same error.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Dar
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:08 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Signing happens after the app is built and is a manual process, so yours isn't signed /notarized yet. But unsigned apps run on the development machine anyway, so I'd say you built the app successfully.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>>>>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>>>>>> On August 8, 2023 10:47:34 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I have, but I don’t do any signing or notarizing. If that happens transparently, then it’s working for me.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Bob S
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 6:59 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, Jacque!
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> That gives me a clue. I will try to get more info on this.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> However, that note shows how to delete the offending resource using the xattr tool, but I have no app to point it to. LiveCode did not build anything.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> I’m willing to try some magic values in Standalone Application Settings.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 	I’m using LiveCode 9.6.9, but I’m willing to upgrade.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 	I’m on macOS Ventura.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Has anyone successfully built a Mac application recently?
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Dar
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 7, 2023, at 3:43 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> This might help:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/qa/qa1940/_index.html>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On August 7, 2023 12:49:03 PM Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I’m having trouble building an application for Mac Intel.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The first time LiveCode crashed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subsequent times, I get this error:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There was an error while saving the standalone application
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Adding ad-hoc signature failed with error:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /…/myProgram.app:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Replacing existing signature
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /…/myProgram.app:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Resource for, Finder information, or similar detritus not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Allowed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I tried fiddling with the PLIST settings without success.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
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From marksmithhfx at gmail.com  Wed Aug  9 10:07:41 2023
From: marksmithhfx at gmail.com (Mark Smith)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2023 15:07:41 +0100
Subject: Unable to build for Mac: adding ad-hoc signature failed
In-Reply-To: <91780F92-7AF5-4777-9AC3-436F3EABE294@m-r-d.de>
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Very useful info Matthias. Thanks for posting.

Mark

> On 9 Aug 2023, at 2:41 pm, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Every version of Xocde come with it own version of command line tools. 
> If you are just creating macOS standalones then you just need the command line tools.
> But if you are also planning to create iOS apps then you'll need the complete Xcode package.
> 
> To install just the command line tools run the following command from terminal
> 
> xcode-select --install
> 
> This should download and install the most current version of command line tools or better said, the most current version that is available for your installed macOS.
> 
> Regards,
> Matthias
> 
> 
>> Am 09.08.2023 um 14:40 schrieb Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>> 
>> I wonder. I don’t have Xcode installed on this machine. Does installing Xcode change the command-line tools? Maybe those tools that are the default work a little differently.
>> 
>> I’m willing to install Xcode, but before that maybe I can provide some information (such as version) about any particular tools.
>> 
>> Dar
>> 
>>> On Aug 9, 2023, at 6:17 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Whoops, I sent the most recent before I saw that Panos had responded.
>>> 
>>> Panos, yes, a build to the network drive with a minimal stack has the error. This minimal stack has a name of Test, no inclusions, no copy files.
>>> 
>>> The drive provides SMB, AFP and NFS services.
>>> 
>>> Dar
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 9, 2023, at 5:55 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I don’t know what I did. Building for Mac Intel works just fine. I’ll add my inclusions and such.
>>>> 
>>>> I don’t have Xcode on this system. Perhaps there are some command line tools suitable that come with macOS. 
>>>> 
>>>> I still feel defensive that Mac said “detritus”. ;-)
>>>> 
>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 5:13 PM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Dar,
>>>>> 
>>>>> just a shot in the dark....
>>>>> 
>>>>> For some time now Livecode does an adhoc code signing when creating a macOS standalone. So therefore the Xcode command line tools have to be installed.
>>>>> In case you have installed more than one versions of Xcode on your system, did you select in Xcode preferences the correct Xcode standalone tools that shall be used?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Matthias
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Am 09.08.2023 um 00:45 schrieb Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I have a clue. I changed the build destination to a drive on my Mac. That seemed to have gotten past that error and I ran into other errors.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I guess building expects a drive on my Mac. And my Mac returns a bogus error message. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I suggest one of these as an improvement to the build operation:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> *   Complain and advise when the target is on a network drive.
>>>>>> *   Build the standalone in a temporary location on the local drive and then copy to the network drive when the target is on a network drive.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I got past that error, but now I am running into others. They look familiar. I think the problem is that I’m not remembering the magic steps related to saving, purging and so on. I’m not sure, since I can build for Windows. (I can probably stumble through what I did long, long ago, but might figure it out faster.) 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Suggestion:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> *   I should not have to remember.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks, everybody, for your help!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Dar
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:47 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Oh, and I’m building from a network drive.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:41 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> xcode-select -p
>>>>>>>> /Library/Developer/CommandLineTools
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:19 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I removed all inclusions. I opted to remove all profiles, probably none. There are no Copy Files. I’m building for Intel only. 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> For PLIST I chose Chose a PLIST and then clicked Use None.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I set my bundle identifier and have not changed that among my attempts. I left all of the other Version Information as default. 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I have no Icons added.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I get the same error.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Dar
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:08 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Signing happens after the app is built and is a manual process, so yours isn't signed /notarized yet. But unsigned apps run on the development machine anyway, so I'd say you built the app successfully.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>>>>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>>>>>> On August 8, 2023 10:47:34 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I have, but I don’t do any signing or notarizing. If that happens transparently, then it’s working for me.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Bob S
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 6:59 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, Jacque!
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> That gives me a clue. I will try to get more info on this.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> However, that note shows how to delete the offending resource using the xattr tool, but I have no app to point it to. LiveCode did not build anything.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> I’m willing to try some magic values in Standalone Application Settings.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 	I’m using LiveCode 9.6.9, but I’m willing to upgrade.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 	I’m on macOS Ventura.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Has anyone successfully built a Mac application recently?
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Dar
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 7, 2023, at 3:43 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> This might help:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/qa/qa1940/_index.html>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On August 7, 2023 12:49:03 PM Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I’m having trouble building an application for Mac Intel.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The first time LiveCode crashed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subsequent times, I get this error:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There was an error while saving the standalone application
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Adding ad-hoc signature failed with error:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /…/myProgram.app:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Replacing existing signature
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /…/myProgram.app:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Resource for, Finder information, or similar detritus not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Allowed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I tried fiddling with the PLIST settings without success.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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From merakosp at gmail.com  Wed Aug  9 10:49:57 2023
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis m)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2023 17:49:57 +0300
Subject: Consumable In App Purchases on Android
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq9d7pXrAZ5t0OW+o20a=uhDkZVX0pR03Cp6jowquNxb9Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.28.1691513283.100098.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
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Hello all,

Also, it might be worth trying this as well - add a new button with this
code:

on mouseUp
   mobileStoreEnablePurchaseUpdates
   mobileStoreRestorePurchases
end mouseUp

Then press the button, and *then* call mobileStoreConsumePurchase pProductID .
Hopefully now it should be properly consumed, and you should be able to buy
it (and consume it) again.

Cheers,
Panos
--

On Wed, 9 Aug 2023 at 11:37, panagiotis m <merakosp at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello Dan,
>
> The call to mobileStoreConfirmPurchase pProductID  causes the
> purchaseStateUpdate message to be sent again with status=complete.
>
> So I would not suggest putting the call to mobileStoreConsumePurchase
> pProductID just after mobileStoreConfirmPurchase.
>
> You could either put it in a separate button and see if it works,
> otherwise add a [case "complete"] in the purchaseStateUpdate msg and there
> consume the product and disable purchase updates, i.e.:
>
> on purchaseStateUpdate pPurchaseID, pProductID, pState
>    switch pState
>       case "paymentReceived"
>          answer "Payment received!"
>          offerPurchasedProduct pProductID
>          mobileStoreConfirmPurchase pProductID
>          break
>       case "error"
>          answer "Error occured during purchase handling:" & return &
> return & mobileStorePurchaseError(pPurchaseID)
>          mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
>          break
>       case "invalidSKU"
>          answer "Invalid SKU."
>          mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
>          break
>       case "alreadyEntitled"
>          answer "Already Owned."
>          mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
>          break
>       case "restored"
>          put "Restored: " & pProductID & cr after field "restored"
>          offerPurchasedProduct pProductID
>          mobileStoreConfirmPurchase pProductID
>          break
>       case "cancelled"
>          answer "Purchase Cancelled:" && pProductID
>          mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
>          break
>       case "complete"
>          answer "Purchase Complete:" && pProductID
>          mobileStoreConsumePurchase pProductID  // <-- ADD THIS HERE
>          mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
>          break
>    end switch
> end purchaseStateUpdate
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Kind regards,
> Panos
> --
>
>
>
> On Tue, 8 Aug 2023 at 22:52, Dan Friedman via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> Andrew,
>>
>> Thank you for the input.   The code snippet you said you are using has
>> mobileStoreConsumePurchase IMMEDIATELY following mobileStoreMakePurchase.
>> Is that what you are doing?   The LC example show that
>> mobileStoreMakePurchase should be handled in the purchaseStateUpdate
>> message after the purchase is paymentReceived”
>>
>> If that’s true, then I feel like I’m doing exactly what you are
>> suggesting.   The purchase is fine, but the consumption if not working for
>> me.   Here’s what I’m doing:
>>
>> on startInAppPurchase numCredits
>>   //setup purchase id
>>   if numCredits = 1 then
>>     put 1001 into productID
>>     put "$0.99" into productAmount
>>   else if numCredits = 2 then
>>     put 1002 into productID
>>     put "$1.99" into productAmount
>>   else if numCredits = 3 then
>>     put 1003 into productID
>>     put "$2.99" into productAmount
>>   else if numCredits = 11 then
>>     put 1011 into productID
>>     put "$9.99" into productAmount
>>   end if
>>
>>   //confirm with user
>>   if numCredits = 1 then
>>     put "Are you sure you want to purchase 1 credit for" && productAmount
>> & "?" into pString
>>   else
>>     put "Are you sure you want to purchase" && numCredits && "credits
>> for" && productAmount & "?" into pString
>>   end if
>>   if myAnswer(pString,"Cancel|Buy Now","Purchase
>> Confirmation","|appBlue") = "Cancel" then //my custom answer dialog
>>     exit startInAppPurchase
>>   end if
>>
>>   //initiate the purchase
>>   mobileStoreEnablePurchaseUpdates
>>   mobileStoreSetProductType productID,"inapp"
>>   mobileStoreMakePurchase productID,"1","testPayload - Android Only"
>> end startInAppPurchase
>>
>> on purchaseStateUpdate pPurchaseID,pProductID,pState
>>   global user
>>
>>   switch pState
>>     case "paymentReceived"
>>       put mobilePurchaseGet(pPurchaseID,"receipt") into rawReciptData
>>
>>       //tell our server is was sucessful and log users credits to database
>>       if isIPhone() then
>>         if db_validateAppleReceipt(rawReciptData) then
>>           add (pProductID-1000) to user["credits"]
>>         end if
>>       else
>>         //will add Android database call when ready
>>       end if
>>
>>       mobileStoreConfirmPurchase pProductID //Inform the store that the
>> purchase identifier productID was successfully delivered
>>       if isAndroid() then
>>         mobileStoreConsumePurchase pProductID. //  <--- DOES NOT SEEM TO
>> CONSUME THE PRODUCT !!
>>       end if
>>
>>       mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
>>       loadMeUp //refresh our display
>>       break
>>     case "error"
>>       answer "Error occured during purchase handling:" & return & return
>> & mobileStorePurchaseError(pPurchaseID)
>>       mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
>>       break
>>     case "invalidSKU"
>>       answer "Invalid SKU."
>>       mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
>>       break
>>     case "alreadyEntitled"
>>       answer "Already Owned."
>>       mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
>>       break
>>     case "restored"
>>       answer "restored"
>>      offerPurchasedProduct pProductID
>>       mobileStoreConfirmPurchase pProductID
>>       mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
>>
>>       loadMeUp //refresh our display
>>       break
>>     case "canceled"
>>     case "cancelled"
>>       answer "Purchase Cancelled:" && pProductID
>>       mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
>>       break
>>   end switch
>> end purchaseStateUpdate
>>
>>
>>
>> Do you see anything wonky in my code?
>>
>> --Dan
>>
>> From: use-livecode <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com> on behalf of
>> Andrew at MidWest Coast Media via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
>> Date: Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 10:57 AM
>> To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
>> Cc: Andrew at MidWest Coast Media <andrew at midwestcoastmedia.com>
>> Subject: Re: Consumable In App Purchases on Android
>> If I’m consuming instantly, this is the code working in my Android/iOS
>> project with comment lines explaining the values being passed in the
>> Android build (note that the product ID values are more specific for
>> Android than iOS):
>>
>>         if tPlatform = "android" then
>>                  put "com.midwestcoastmedia.dj3pm." into tProductIDbase
>>          else if tPlatform = "iPhone" then
>>                  put EMPTY into tProductIDbase
>>         end if
>>         put tProductIDbase & pWhichProduct into tProductID
>>
>>       mobileStoreEnablePurchaseUpdates
>>       ## mobileStoreSetProductType "com.midwestcoastmedia.dj3pm.tip01",
>> "inapp"
>>       mobileStoreSetProductType tProductID, "inapp"
>>       ## mobileStoreMakePurchase "com.midwestcoastmedia.dj3pm.tip01",
>> "1", "Thanks for the buck!"
>>       mobileStoreMakePurchase tProductID, "1", tMessage
>>       ## mobileStoreConsumePurchase "com.midwestcoastmedia.dj3pm.tip01"
>>       mobileStoreConsumePurchase tProductID
>>       put the result into tCatch
>>
>> BUT you’ll also need to implement the on purchaseStateUpdate handler to
>> completely execute the purchase cycle. The lesson is sometimes hard to
>> follow when Android changes their branding/naming but
>> https://lessons.livecode.com/m/4069/l/184481-how-do-i-implement-in-app-purchases-in-livecode-google-play-store
>> <
>> https://lessons.livecode.com/m/4069/l/184481-how-do-i-implement-in-app-purchases-in-livecode-google-play-store>
>> has a good example of this.
>>
>> —Andrew Bell
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
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>>
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From gcanyon at gmail.com  Wed Aug  9 11:23:31 2023
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2023 08:23:31 -0700
Subject: Variable Watcher disappeared
In-Reply-To: <2E7C61D6-01E0-4AB0-8DD0-6EDEF268C6B6@rogers.com>
References: <A4DB77FB-CB62-487C-91C1-9C648AA37782@iotecdigital.com>
 <2E7C61D6-01E0-4AB0-8DD0-6EDEF268C6B6@rogers.com>
Message-ID: <CAKCLKtq1jXs0O6tH0q7bEHZW97YDEHyTu8+rjsgPvnUV3EXX-w@mail.gmail.com>

You can also accomplish most of this by right-clicking a stack in
Navigator, and selecting Go > Show on the popup menu. That centers the
stack on screen and shows it. It's meant to be guaranteed, so if there are
other steps to take to ensure a stack presents itself, I'm happy to add
them.

On Tue, Aug 8, 2023 at 10:19 AM Martin Koob via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi Bob
>
> So you can see the Script Editor but you can’t see the variables pane at
> the bottom?
>
> There is a drag handle at the bottom of the Script Editor pane to resize
> it.   Maybe you accidentally dragged that to the bottom hiding the variable
> pane at the bottom.
>
> Even if you did that you should still see the tabs for ‘Errors’;
> ‘Variables’; ‘Documentation’; ‘Breakpoints’; ’Search Results’.
>
> You should be able to drag the Drag handle up to reveal the bottom pane.
>
>
> The following doesn’t probably apply to you if your Script Editor Stack is
> open and visible.
>
> You probably know this but another thing that happens to me is that some
> of the LiveCode stacks disappear randomly.
>
> One thing that happens is that they somehow get moved offscreen.
>
> To get them back I first check if they are there by typing the following
> into the message box.
>
> put the openstacks
>
> That should result in a list like this.
>
> Message Box
> My Demo Stack
> revInspector
> revTools
> revNewScriptEditor 1
> revDictionary
> revMenuBar
> Improve LiveCode Handler Finder
> com.livecode.palette.autocomplete.completions
>
> If you see the stack in the list that you are looking for you can relocate
> it back to the screen by setting its location to something that will be on
> your display by entering the following in the message box.
> set the topleft of stack "revtools" to 100,100
>
>
>
>
>
> Two other reasons stacks disappear is that they become hidden or closed.
>
>
>
> If the stack is closed then enter the following in the message box
>
> open stack “revtools
>
>
>
> If the stack is open but hidden enter
>
> show stack “revtools”
>
> If it is your message box that you can’t find then there is nothing you
> can do….
>
>
> … Just kidding.  ;-)
>
> Just type command key + M to show the message box.
>
>
> Bob, I am sure this is covering things you already know  but just in case
> there others in future are looking for this I added the other cases where
> your LiveCode IDE stacks disappear.
>
> BTW I am using LC 9.6.9 on a M1 Max Mac running Ventura 13.41
>
> Martin
>
> > On Aug 8, 2023, at 12:28 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all.
> >
> > Not sure how I did it but I can no longer see the variables while
> debugging. The bottom pane has disappeared and nothing I can find can get
> it back. Any ideas?
> >
> > Bob S
> >
> >
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> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
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From dan at clearvisiontech.com  Wed Aug  9 15:27:51 2023
From: dan at clearvisiontech.com (Dan Friedman)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2023 19:27:51 +0000
Subject: Consumable In App Purchases on Android
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq9TvOB0W081OkvyGJQW-115xJM1d=x=A1nRAHdCuDK++A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.28.1691513283.100098.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
 <C0D6C806-D57D-40B1-9B40-76A1EA7C5805@midwestcoastmedia.com>
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Panos and others…

First, thank you for your assistance and advise with this.   Panos’ suggestions were spot on!    Restoring the purchases, then calling mobileStoreConsumePurchase worked for consumption.   And, adding a “complete” case to purchaseStateUpdate and handeling the mobilePurchaseGet() as well as the mobileStoreConsumePurchase worked beautifully.   A couple of follow up questions…

1 - Does the “complete” case get returned with the Apple Store as well?
2 – Is there a way to get the purchase token from mobilePurchaseGet() on Android?   The “transactionIdentifier” returns the order number, not the purchase token.  The purchase token is needed to verify the purchase server side.

Lastly, it would be terrific if the lesson on the LC website was updated to these options/methods.   It might save the next guy some grief.

-Dan


From: use-livecode <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com> on behalf of panagiotis m via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Date: Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 7:51 AM
To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Cc: panagiotis m <merakosp at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Consumable In App Purchases on Android
Hello all,

Also, it might be worth trying this as well - add a new button with this
code:

on mouseUp
   mobileStoreEnablePurchaseUpdates
   mobileStoreRestorePurchases
end mouseUp

Then press the button, and *then* call mobileStoreConsumePurchase pProductID .
Hopefully now it should be properly consumed, and you should be able to buy
it (and consume it) again.

Cheers,
Panos
--

On Wed, 9 Aug 2023 at 11:37, panagiotis m <merakosp at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello Dan,
>
> The call to mobileStoreConfirmPurchase pProductID  causes the
> purchaseStateUpdate message to be sent again with status=complete.
>
> So I would not suggest putting the call to mobileStoreConsumePurchase
> pProductID just after mobileStoreConfirmPurchase.
>
> You could either put it in a separate button and see if it works,
> otherwise add a [case "complete"] in the purchaseStateUpdate msg and there
> consume the product and disable purchase updates, i.e.:
>
> on purchaseStateUpdate pPurchaseID, pProductID, pState
>    switch pState
>       case "paymentReceived"
>          answer "Payment received!"
>          offerPurchasedProduct pProductID
>          mobileStoreConfirmPurchase pProductID
>          break
>       case "error"
>          answer "Error occured during purchase handling:" & return &
> return & mobileStorePurchaseError(pPurchaseID)
>          mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
>          break
>       case "invalidSKU"
>          answer "Invalid SKU."
>          mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
>          break
>       case "alreadyEntitled"
>          answer "Already Owned."
>          mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
>          break
>       case "restored"
>          put "Restored: " & pProductID & cr after field "restored"
>          offerPurchasedProduct pProductID
>          mobileStoreConfirmPurchase pProductID
>          break
>       case "cancelled"
>          answer "Purchase Cancelled:" && pProductID
>          mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
>          break
>       case "complete"
>          answer "Purchase Complete:" && pProductID
>          mobileStoreConsumePurchase pProductID  // <-- ADD THIS HERE
>          mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
>          break
>    end switch
> end purchaseStateUpdate
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Kind regards,
> Panos
> --
>
>
>
> On Tue, 8 Aug 2023 at 22:52, Dan Friedman via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> Andrew,
>>
>> Thank you for the input.   The code snippet you said you are using has
>> mobileStoreConsumePurchase IMMEDIATELY following mobileStoreMakePurchase.
>> Is that what you are doing?   The LC example show that
>> mobileStoreMakePurchase should be handled in the purchaseStateUpdate
>> message after the purchase is paymentReceived”
>>
>> If that’s true, then I feel like I’m doing exactly what you are
>> suggesting.   The purchase is fine, but the consumption if not working for
>> me.   Here’s what I’m doing:
>>
>> on startInAppPurchase numCredits
>>   //setup purchase id
>>   if numCredits = 1 then
>>     put 1001 into productID
>>     put "$0.99" into productAmount
>>   else if numCredits = 2 then
>>     put 1002 into productID
>>     put "$1.99" into productAmount
>>   else if numCredits = 3 then
>>     put 1003 into productID
>>     put "$2.99" into productAmount
>>   else if numCredits = 11 then
>>     put 1011 into productID
>>     put "$9.99" into productAmount
>>   end if
>>
>>   //confirm with user
>>   if numCredits = 1 then
>>     put "Are you sure you want to purchase 1 credit for" && productAmount
>> & "?" into pString
>>   else
>>     put "Are you sure you want to purchase" && numCredits && "credits
>> for" && productAmount & "?" into pString
>>   end if
>>   if myAnswer(pString,"Cancel|Buy Now","Purchase
>> Confirmation","|appBlue") = "Cancel" then //my custom answer dialog
>>     exit startInAppPurchase
>>   end if
>>
>>   //initiate the purchase
>>   mobileStoreEnablePurchaseUpdates
>>   mobileStoreSetProductType productID,"inapp"
>>   mobileStoreMakePurchase productID,"1","testPayload - Android Only"
>> end startInAppPurchase
>>
>> on purchaseStateUpdate pPurchaseID,pProductID,pState
>>   global user
>>
>>   switch pState
>>     case "paymentReceived"
>>       put mobilePurchaseGet(pPurchaseID,"receipt") into rawReciptData
>>
>>       //tell our server is was sucessful and log users credits to database
>>       if isIPhone() then
>>         if db_validateAppleReceipt(rawReciptData) then
>>           add (pProductID-1000) to user["credits"]
>>         end if
>>       else
>>         //will add Android database call when ready
>>       end if
>>
>>       mobileStoreConfirmPurchase pProductID //Inform the store that the
>> purchase identifier productID was successfully delivered
>>       if isAndroid() then
>>         mobileStoreConsumePurchase pProductID. //  <--- DOES NOT SEEM TO
>> CONSUME THE PRODUCT !!
>>       end if
>>
>>       mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
>>       loadMeUp //refresh our display
>>       break
>>     case "error"
>>       answer "Error occured during purchase handling:" & return & return
>> & mobileStorePurchaseError(pPurchaseID)
>>       mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
>>       break
>>     case "invalidSKU"
>>       answer "Invalid SKU."
>>       mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
>>       break
>>     case "alreadyEntitled"
>>       answer "Already Owned."
>>       mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
>>       break
>>     case "restored"
>>       answer "restored"
>>      offerPurchasedProduct pProductID
>>       mobileStoreConfirmPurchase pProductID
>>       mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
>>
>>       loadMeUp //refresh our display
>>       break
>>     case "canceled"
>>     case "cancelled"
>>       answer "Purchase Cancelled:" && pProductID
>>       mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
>>       break
>>   end switch
>> end purchaseStateUpdate
>>
>>
>>
>> Do you see anything wonky in my code?
>>
>> --Dan
>>
>> From: use-livecode <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com> on behalf of
>> Andrew at MidWest Coast Media via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
>> Date: Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 10:57 AM
>> To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
>> Cc: Andrew at MidWest Coast Media <andrew at midwestcoastmedia.com>
>> Subject: Re: Consumable In App Purchases on Android
>> If I’m consuming instantly, this is the code working in my Android/iOS
>> project with comment lines explaining the values being passed in the
>> Android build (note that the product ID values are more specific for
>> Android than iOS):
>>
>>         if tPlatform = "android" then
>>                  put "com.midwestcoastmedia.dj3pm." into tProductIDbase
>>          else if tPlatform = "iPhone" then
>>                  put EMPTY into tProductIDbase
>>         end if
>>         put tProductIDbase & pWhichProduct into tProductID
>>
>>       mobileStoreEnablePurchaseUpdates
>>       ## mobileStoreSetProductType "com.midwestcoastmedia.dj3pm.tip01",
>> "inapp"
>>       mobileStoreSetProductType tProductID, "inapp"
>>       ## mobileStoreMakePurchase "com.midwestcoastmedia.dj3pm.tip01",
>> "1", "Thanks for the buck!"
>>       mobileStoreMakePurchase tProductID, "1", tMessage
>>       ## mobileStoreConsumePurchase "com.midwestcoastmedia.dj3pm.tip01"
>>       mobileStoreConsumePurchase tProductID
>>       put the result into tCatch
>>
>> BUT you’ll also need to implement the on purchaseStateUpdate handler to
>> completely execute the purchase cycle. The lesson is sometimes hard to
>> follow when Android changes their branding/naming but
>> https://lessons.livecode.com/m/4069/l/184481-how-do-i-implement-in-app-purchases-in-livecode-google-play-store
>> <
>> https://lessons.livecode.com/m/4069/l/184481-how-do-i-implement-in-app-purchases-in-livecode-google-play-store><https://lessons.livecode.com/m/4069/l/184481-how-do-i-implement-in-app-purchases-in-livecode-google-play-store%3e>
>> has a good example of this.
>>
>> —Andrew Bell
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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From merakosp at gmail.com  Wed Aug  9 15:44:59 2023
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis m)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2023 22:44:59 +0300
Subject: Consumable In App Purchases on Android
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References: <mailman.28.1691513283.100098.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
 <C0D6C806-D57D-40B1-9B40-76A1EA7C5805@midwestcoastmedia.com>
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Hello Dan,

Thanks for the update.

RE 1, I *think* yes, but I would suggest you double check this anyway.

RE 2, I would suggest not using mobilePurchaseGet(). This function is from
the older API for in-app purchases, and we have kept it for backwards
compatibility. I suggest using mobileStoreProductProperty (productID,
propertyName) instead. In fact, using mobileStoreProductProperty
(productID, "purchaseToken") is what you need in this use-case.

RE the lessons, yes, they could have been better. I'll add this to my
(long!) todo list :)

Kind regards,
Panos
--



On Wed, 9 Aug 2023 at 22:29, Dan Friedman via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Panos and others…
>
> First, thank you for your assistance and advise with this.   Panos’
> suggestions were spot on!    Restoring the purchases, then calling
> mobileStoreConsumePurchase worked for consumption.   And, adding a
> “complete” case to purchaseStateUpdate and handeling the
> mobilePurchaseGet() as well as the mobileStoreConsumePurchase worked
> beautifully.   A couple of follow up questions…
>
> 1 - Does the “complete” case get returned with the Apple Store as well?
> 2 – Is there a way to get the purchase token from mobilePurchaseGet() on
> Android?   The “transactionIdentifier” returns the order number, not the
> purchase token.  The purchase token is needed to verify the purchase server
> side.
>
> Lastly, it would be terrific if the lesson on the LC website was updated
> to these options/methods.   It might save the next guy some grief.
>
> -Dan
>
>
> From: use-livecode <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com> on behalf of
> panagiotis m via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Date: Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 7:51 AM
> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Cc: panagiotis m <merakosp at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Consumable In App Purchases on Android
> Hello all,
>
> Also, it might be worth trying this as well - add a new button with this
> code:
>
> on mouseUp
>    mobileStoreEnablePurchaseUpdates
>    mobileStoreRestorePurchases
> end mouseUp
>
> Then press the button, and *then* call mobileStoreConsumePurchase
> pProductID .
> Hopefully now it should be properly consumed, and you should be able to buy
> it (and consume it) again.
>
> Cheers,
> Panos
> --
>
> On Wed, 9 Aug 2023 at 11:37, panagiotis m <merakosp at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hello Dan,
> >
> > The call to mobileStoreConfirmPurchase pProductID  causes the
> > purchaseStateUpdate message to be sent again with status=complete.
> >
> > So I would not suggest putting the call to mobileStoreConsumePurchase
> > pProductID just after mobileStoreConfirmPurchase.
> >
> > You could either put it in a separate button and see if it works,
> > otherwise add a [case "complete"] in the purchaseStateUpdate msg and
> there
> > consume the product and disable purchase updates, i.e.:
> >
> > on purchaseStateUpdate pPurchaseID, pProductID, pState
> >    switch pState
> >       case "paymentReceived"
> >          answer "Payment received!"
> >          offerPurchasedProduct pProductID
> >          mobileStoreConfirmPurchase pProductID
> >          break
> >       case "error"
> >          answer "Error occured during purchase handling:" & return &
> > return & mobileStorePurchaseError(pPurchaseID)
> >          mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
> >          break
> >       case "invalidSKU"
> >          answer "Invalid SKU."
> >          mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
> >          break
> >       case "alreadyEntitled"
> >          answer "Already Owned."
> >          mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
> >          break
> >       case "restored"
> >          put "Restored: " & pProductID & cr after field "restored"
> >          offerPurchasedProduct pProductID
> >          mobileStoreConfirmPurchase pProductID
> >          break
> >       case "cancelled"
> >          answer "Purchase Cancelled:" && pProductID
> >          mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
> >          break
> >       case "complete"
> >          answer "Purchase Complete:" && pProductID
> >          mobileStoreConsumePurchase pProductID  // <-- ADD THIS HERE
> >          mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
> >          break
> >    end switch
> > end purchaseStateUpdate
> >
> > Hope this helps.
> >
> > Kind regards,
> > Panos
> > --
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 8 Aug 2023 at 22:52, Dan Friedman via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Andrew,
> >>
> >> Thank you for the input.   The code snippet you said you are using has
> >> mobileStoreConsumePurchase IMMEDIATELY following
> mobileStoreMakePurchase.
> >> Is that what you are doing?   The LC example show that
> >> mobileStoreMakePurchase should be handled in the purchaseStateUpdate
> >> message after the purchase is paymentReceived”
> >>
> >> If that’s true, then I feel like I’m doing exactly what you are
> >> suggesting.   The purchase is fine, but the consumption if not working
> for
> >> me.   Here’s what I’m doing:
> >>
> >> on startInAppPurchase numCredits
> >>   //setup purchase id
> >>   if numCredits = 1 then
> >>     put 1001 into productID
> >>     put "$0.99" into productAmount
> >>   else if numCredits = 2 then
> >>     put 1002 into productID
> >>     put "$1.99" into productAmount
> >>   else if numCredits = 3 then
> >>     put 1003 into productID
> >>     put "$2.99" into productAmount
> >>   else if numCredits = 11 then
> >>     put 1011 into productID
> >>     put "$9.99" into productAmount
> >>   end if
> >>
> >>   //confirm with user
> >>   if numCredits = 1 then
> >>     put "Are you sure you want to purchase 1 credit for" &&
> productAmount
> >> & "?" into pString
> >>   else
> >>     put "Are you sure you want to purchase" && numCredits && "credits
> >> for" && productAmount & "?" into pString
> >>   end if
> >>   if myAnswer(pString,"Cancel|Buy Now","Purchase
> >> Confirmation","|appBlue") = "Cancel" then //my custom answer dialog
> >>     exit startInAppPurchase
> >>   end if
> >>
> >>   //initiate the purchase
> >>   mobileStoreEnablePurchaseUpdates
> >>   mobileStoreSetProductType productID,"inapp"
> >>   mobileStoreMakePurchase productID,"1","testPayload - Android Only"
> >> end startInAppPurchase
> >>
> >> on purchaseStateUpdate pPurchaseID,pProductID,pState
> >>   global user
> >>
> >>   switch pState
> >>     case "paymentReceived"
> >>       put mobilePurchaseGet(pPurchaseID,"receipt") into rawReciptData
> >>
> >>       //tell our server is was sucessful and log users credits to
> database
> >>       if isIPhone() then
> >>         if db_validateAppleReceipt(rawReciptData) then
> >>           add (pProductID-1000) to user["credits"]
> >>         end if
> >>       else
> >>         //will add Android database call when ready
> >>       end if
> >>
> >>       mobileStoreConfirmPurchase pProductID //Inform the store that the
> >> purchase identifier productID was successfully delivered
> >>       if isAndroid() then
> >>         mobileStoreConsumePurchase pProductID. //  <--- DOES NOT SEEM TO
> >> CONSUME THE PRODUCT !!
> >>       end if
> >>
> >>       mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
> >>       loadMeUp //refresh our display
> >>       break
> >>     case "error"
> >>       answer "Error occured during purchase handling:" & return & return
> >> & mobileStorePurchaseError(pPurchaseID)
> >>       mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
> >>       break
> >>     case "invalidSKU"
> >>       answer "Invalid SKU."
> >>       mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
> >>       break
> >>     case "alreadyEntitled"
> >>       answer "Already Owned."
> >>       mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
> >>       break
> >>     case "restored"
> >>       answer "restored"
> >>      offerPurchasedProduct pProductID
> >>       mobileStoreConfirmPurchase pProductID
> >>       mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
> >>
> >>       loadMeUp //refresh our display
> >>       break
> >>     case "canceled"
> >>     case "cancelled"
> >>       answer "Purchase Cancelled:" && pProductID
> >>       mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
> >>       break
> >>   end switch
> >> end purchaseStateUpdate
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Do you see anything wonky in my code?
> >>
> >> --Dan
> >>
> >> From: use-livecode <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com> on behalf of
> >> Andrew at MidWest Coast Media via use-livecode <
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> >> Date: Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 10:57 AM
> >> To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> >> Cc: Andrew at MidWest Coast Media <andrew at midwestcoastmedia.com>
> >> Subject: Re: Consumable In App Purchases on Android
> >> If I’m consuming instantly, this is the code working in my Android/iOS
> >> project with comment lines explaining the values being passed in the
> >> Android build (note that the product ID values are more specific for
> >> Android than iOS):
> >>
> >>         if tPlatform = "android" then
> >>                  put "com.midwestcoastmedia.dj3pm." into tProductIDbase
> >>          else if tPlatform = "iPhone" then
> >>                  put EMPTY into tProductIDbase
> >>         end if
> >>         put tProductIDbase & pWhichProduct into tProductID
> >>
> >>       mobileStoreEnablePurchaseUpdates
> >>       ## mobileStoreSetProductType "com.midwestcoastmedia.dj3pm.tip01",
> >> "inapp"
> >>       mobileStoreSetProductType tProductID, "inapp"
> >>       ## mobileStoreMakePurchase "com.midwestcoastmedia.dj3pm.tip01",
> >> "1", "Thanks for the buck!"
> >>       mobileStoreMakePurchase tProductID, "1", tMessage
> >>       ## mobileStoreConsumePurchase "com.midwestcoastmedia.dj3pm.tip01"
> >>       mobileStoreConsumePurchase tProductID
> >>       put the result into tCatch
> >>
> >> BUT you’ll also need to implement the on purchaseStateUpdate handler to
> >> completely execute the purchase cycle. The lesson is sometimes hard to
> >> follow when Android changes their branding/naming but
> >>
> https://lessons.livecode.com/m/4069/l/184481-how-do-i-implement-in-app-purchases-in-livecode-google-play-store
> >> <
> >>
> https://lessons.livecode.com/m/4069/l/184481-how-do-i-implement-in-app-purchases-in-livecode-google-play-store
> ><
> https://lessons.livecode.com/m/4069/l/184481-how-do-i-implement-in-app-purchases-in-livecode-google-play-store%3e
> >
> >> has a good example of this.
> >>
> >> —Andrew Bell
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From dan at clearvisiontech.com  Wed Aug  9 16:38:51 2023
From: dan at clearvisiontech.com (Dan Friedman)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2023 20:38:51 +0000
Subject: Consumable In App Purchases on Android
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Panos,

Again, thank you for your help!   mobileStoreProductProperty works beautifully!   As for the lesson, it’s not that it could have been better, it’s actually pretty good (as most LC lessons are).  It’s just that it needs to be updated to reflect newer methods and procedures.

Given how long your todo list is, I appreciate the time you always take to help me, and all the others out.  It’s GREATLY appreciated!

-Dan


From: use-livecode <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com> on behalf of panagiotis m via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Date: Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 12:46 PM
To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Cc: panagiotis m <merakosp at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Consumable In App Purchases on Android
Hello Dan,

Thanks for the update.

RE 1, I *think* yes, but I would suggest you double check this anyway.

RE 2, I would suggest not using mobilePurchaseGet(). This function is from
the older API for in-app purchases, and we have kept it for backwards
compatibility. I suggest using mobileStoreProductProperty (productID,
propertyName) instead. In fact, using mobileStoreProductProperty
(productID, "purchaseToken") is what you need in this use-case.

RE the lessons, yes, they could have been better. I'll add this to my
(long!) todo list :)

Kind regards,
Panos


From klaus at major-k.de  Thu Aug 10 06:01:41 2023
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2023 12:01:41 +0200
Subject: Android black screen again...
Message-ID: <B06D41E1-B511-4F30-9244-9DC731C08A6D@major-k.de>

Hi friends,

maybe you remember my problem, that my app
turns into a black screen occacionally.

This has happened again about four or five times since 
I reported it here.

This never happens at home, only when I am at a band 
rehearsal, but never at a gig (fingers crossed).

Restarting the dveice definitively cures this, thank you Panos,
but sometimes, especially at a gig, I do not have the time to 
do so. :-/

So any further hints highly appreciated!

macOS 12.6.8, LC 9.6.9, android 5.1 on a SAMSUNG TAB A tablet.
I'm mainly using the PDF widget if that matters...


Best

Klaus
--
Klaus Major
https://www.major-k.de
https://www.major-k.de/bass
klaus at major-k.de



From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Thu Aug 10 11:51:29 2023
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2023 16:51:29 +0100
Subject: Browzer widget zoom/scale?
Message-ID: <22538298-c24d-3077-5038-6dfa5322fb30@cogapp.com>

Is there a way to set the 'zoom level' for the browser widget?

TIA,

Ben


From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Thu Aug 10 15:22:15 2023
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2023 15:22:15 -0400
Subject: xavvi - temper your expectations
Message-ID: <CADCoycNP3n=CuJzfRJ7xZ+5AsGe6jzLFYwyur3EvAyD09-xshg@mail.gmail.com>

i'm using chatgpt and bard, every day, because i can, and because
sometimes they give me more comprehensive things to think about.
but, they are wrong. a lot.
zdnet just published a piece, today, documenting the same thing: wrong
> 50% of the time.
so, temper your expectations for xavvi in the medium term:
https://www.zdnet.com/article/chatgpt-answers-more-than-half-of-software-engineering-questions-incorrectly/

-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


From alex at tweedly.net  Thu Aug 10 15:29:52 2023
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2023 20:29:52 +0100
Subject: Sorting Arrays
In-Reply-To: <F45E93C0-C185-4E9D-99AC-7136847CC350@iotecdigital.com>
References: <F45E93C0-C185-4E9D-99AC-7136847CC350@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <1d2a693e-414c-e7aa-9cd0-b53d76e3962f@tweedly.net>


On 09/08/2023 00:15, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
> Has anyone come across a need to sort a numbered array by the values of the different keys? Here you go.

Absolutely I have needed that quite often now. I tend to use sequences 
(numbered arrays) often - maybe too often.

Up until now I've just done the sorting in the "traditional" way (i.e. 
using multiple "sort" commands), like

>    put seqAsLines(sQ2) into tKeys
>    sort lines of tKeys numeric by sQ2[each]["anumber"]
>    sort lines of tKeys by sQ2[each]["thecategory"]
>    rebuildSeq sQ2, tKeys
(the functions seqAsLines and rebuildSeq are included in the code 
snippet below).

But I really like your idea of having a handler that can be given 
multiple sort keys, and just does it all, so I took a detailed look.

First - a couple of little bugs for you.

> Keep in mind that there is no error checking so I have no idea what would happen if you provided a sort key that didnt exist in the array.
>
> on sortNumberedArray @pArrayDataA, pSortKeys
>           switch
>              case tKeyWord is among the items of "asc,ascending,desc,descending"
>                 put tKeyWord into tSortKeysA [i] ["sortorder"]
>                 break
>              case tKeyWord is "International,Numeric,datetime,text,binary"
'is' should be 'is among the items of'
>                 put tKeyWord into tSortKeysA [i] ["sorttype"]
>                 break
>              default
>                 put word 1 to x of tSortIndex into tSortKeysA [i] ["sortvalue"]
>           end switch
>        end repeat
>     end repeat
>     

Secondly, not sure if it's a bug or simply a limitation - the code fails 
if one of the array keys to use for sorting is one of 
"asc,desc,numeric,...".


And - overall, an alternate suggestion. I think your way is a bot complex.
Combining my "traditional" way as above, and your example, I came up 
with a  simpler way to do the same thing:

> on simpleSortNumberedArray @pArrayDataA, pSortKeys
>    local tKeys, tSeq, tOneSortKey, tSortCommand
>    put seqAsLines(pArrayDataA) into tKeys
>    repeat with I = the number of items in pSortKeys down to 1
>       put item I of pSortKeys into tOneSortKey
>       put "sort lines of tKeys" && word 2 to -1 of tOneSortKey && \
>             "by pArrayData[each][" && word 1 of tOneSortKey && "]" 
> into tSortCommand
>       do tSortCommand
>    end repeat
>    rebuildSeq pArrayDataA, tKeys
> end simpleSortNumberedArray
>
> function seqAsLines pSeq
>    local tRes
>    repeat with i = 1 to the number of elements in pSeq
>       put i & CR after tRes
>    end repeat
>    return tRes
> end seqAsLines
>
> command rebuildSeq @pSeq, pList
>    local tResQ, tCount
>    repeat for each line L in pList
>       add 1 to tCount
>       put pSeq[L] into tResQ[tCount]
>    end repeat
>    put tResQ into pSeq
> end rebuildSeq
This is simpler and, I think, easier to understand. And it's certainly 
much faster: takes 89 msec for my test case rather than 3416 msecs.

Alex.




From alex at tweedly.net  Thu Aug 10 15:32:12 2023
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2023 20:32:12 +0100
Subject: xavvi - temper your expectations
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycNP3n=CuJzfRJ7xZ+5AsGe6jzLFYwyur3EvAyD09-xshg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycNP3n=CuJzfRJ7xZ+5AsGe6jzLFYwyur3EvAyD09-xshg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c0e6694f-ca27-92a0-a15c-722ace9196d9@tweedly.net>

I have high expectations of xavvi - mostly because I want the cloud IDE, 
cloud db, new widgets, ...

Oh - and I might just play with the AI, but I have no short-term 
expectations for that part of it.

:-)

Alex.

On 10/08/2023 20:22, Mike Kerner via use-livecode wrote:
> i'm using chatgpt and bard, every day, because i can, and because
> sometimes they give me more comprehensive things to think about.
> but, they are wrong. a lot.
> zdnet just published a piece, today, documenting the same thing: wrong
>> 50% of the time.
> so, temper your expectations for xavvi in the medium term:
> https://www.zdnet.com/article/chatgpt-answers-more-than-half-of-software-engineering-questions-incorrectly/
>


From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Thu Aug 10 15:31:55 2023
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2023 21:31:55 +0200
Subject: xavvi - temper your expectations
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycNP3n=CuJzfRJ7xZ+5AsGe6jzLFYwyur3EvAyD09-xshg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycNP3n=CuJzfRJ7xZ+5AsGe6jzLFYwyur3EvAyD09-xshg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <136C8206-6B98-4401-9CB7-4CD4B14CEA9F@m-r-d.de>

I thought Xavvi will make use of AI, but the use is not mandatory. So even without AI, XAVVI would be an online development tool which can deploy web apps and which also could import and export Livecode stacks.



Am 10.08.2023 um 21:22 schrieb Mike Kerner via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> i'm using chatgpt and bard, every day, because i can, and because
> sometimes they give me more comprehensive things to think about.
> but, they are wrong. a lot.
> zdnet just published a piece, today, documenting the same thing: wrong
>> 50% of the time.
> so, temper your expectations for xavvi in the medium term:
> https://www.zdnet.com/article/chatgpt-answers-more-than-half-of-software-engineering-questions-incorrectly/
> 
> -- 
> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>   and did a little diving.
> And God said, "This is good."
> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Aug 10 16:08:09 2023
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2023 20:08:09 +0000
Subject: Sorting Arrays
In-Reply-To: <1d2a693e-414c-e7aa-9cd0-b53d76e3962f@tweedly.net>
References: <F45E93C0-C185-4E9D-99AC-7136847CC350@iotecdigital.com>
 <1d2a693e-414c-e7aa-9cd0-b53d76e3962f@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <48072F9A-569B-455B-8665-76AE88221DBD@iotecdigital.com>

Thanks Alex, not sure how I missed that. I was only testing for a specific use case and only tried numeric descending. 

Bob S


> On Aug 10, 2023, at 12:29 PM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> On 09/08/2023 00:15, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
>> Has anyone come across a need to sort a numbered array by the values of the different keys? Here you go.
> 
> Absolutely I have needed that quite often now. I tend to use sequences (numbered arrays) often - maybe too often.
> 
> Up until now I've just done the sorting in the "traditional" way (i.e. using multiple "sort" commands), like
> 
>>    put seqAsLines(sQ2) into tKeys
>>    sort lines of tKeys numeric by sQ2[each]["anumber"]
>>    sort lines of tKeys by sQ2[each]["thecategory"]
>>    rebuildSeq sQ2, tKeys
> (the functions seqAsLines and rebuildSeq are included in the code snippet below).
> 
> But I really like your idea of having a handler that can be given multiple sort keys, and just does it all, so I took a detailed look.
> 
> First - a couple of little bugs for you.
> 
>> Keep in mind that there is no error checking so I have no idea what would happen if you provided a sort key that didn’t exist in the array.
>> 
>> on sortNumberedArray @pArrayDataA, pSortKeys
>>          switch
>>             case tKeyWord is among the items of "asc,ascending,desc,descending"
>>                put tKeyWord into tSortKeysA [i] ["sortorder"]
>>                break
>>             case tKeyWord is "International,Numeric,datetime,text,binary"
> 'is' should be 'is among the items of'
>>                put tKeyWord into tSortKeysA [i] ["sorttype"]
>>                break
>>             default
>>                put word 1 to x of tSortIndex into tSortKeysA [i] ["sortvalue"]
>>          end switch
>>       end repeat
>>    end repeat
>>    
> 
> Secondly, not sure if it's a bug or simply a limitation - the code fails if one of the array keys to use for sorting is one of "asc,desc,numeric,...".
> 
> 
> And - overall, an alternate suggestion. I think your way is a bot complex.
> Combining my "traditional" way as above, and your example, I came up with a  simpler way to do the same thing:
> 
>> on simpleSortNumberedArray @pArrayDataA, pSortKeys
>>    local tKeys, tSeq, tOneSortKey, tSortCommand
>>    put seqAsLines(pArrayDataA) into tKeys
>>    repeat with I = the number of items in pSortKeys down to 1
>>       put item I of pSortKeys into tOneSortKey
>>       put "sort lines of tKeys" && word 2 to -1 of tOneSortKey && \
>>             "by pArrayData[each][" && word 1 of tOneSortKey && "]" into tSortCommand
>>       do tSortCommand
>>    end repeat
>>    rebuildSeq pArrayDataA, tKeys
>> end simpleSortNumberedArray
>> 
>> function seqAsLines pSeq
>>    local tRes
>>    repeat with i = 1 to the number of elements in pSeq
>>       put i & CR after tRes
>>    end repeat
>>    return tRes
>> end seqAsLines
>> 
>> command rebuildSeq @pSeq, pList
>>    local tResQ, tCount
>>    repeat for each line L in pList
>>       add 1 to tCount
>>       put pSeq[L] into tResQ[tCount]
>>    end repeat
>>    put tResQ into pSeq
>> end rebuildSeq
> This is simpler and, I think, easier to understand. And it's certainly much faster: takes 89 msec for my test case rather than 3416 msecs.
> 
> Alex.
> 
> 
> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Aug 10 16:28:59 2023
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2023 20:28:59 +0000
Subject: Sorting Arrays
In-Reply-To: <1d2a693e-414c-e7aa-9cd0-b53d76e3962f@tweedly.net>
References: <F45E93C0-C185-4E9D-99AC-7136847CC350@iotecdigital.com>
 <1d2a693e-414c-e7aa-9cd0-b53d76e3962f@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <04F07EA9-5BAF-42E4-AE2A-90124E3D2381@iotecdigital.com>

I see you are sorting the keys of the array. I’ll give your method a try.

Bob S


On Aug 10, 2023, at 12:29 PM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

And - overall, an alternate suggestion. I think your way is a bot complex.
Combining my "traditional" way as above, and your example, I came up with a  simpler way to do the same thing:


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Aug 10 16:34:01 2023
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2023 15:34:01 -0500
Subject: Android black screen again...
In-Reply-To: <B06D41E1-B511-4F30-9244-9DC731C08A6D@major-k.de>
References: <B06D41E1-B511-4F30-9244-9DC731C08A6D@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <189e127faa8.276f.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>

I looked up the Samsung Tab A and it says it runs Android 9, upgradable to 
11. There are multiple RAM options. Is this the one you have? 
<https://m.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_tab_a_10_1_(2019)-9582.php>

 I'm just guessing, but memory may be too low to allow the browser widget 
to work, since it does work after a reboot and the problem only happens 
occasionally. But Android 5 is almost 10 years old and I'd be surprised if 
that is what your tablet is running. Have you checked for an update? You 
have much more control of memory usage with a newer OS.

In any case, you can keep memory usage lower if you delete or disable all 
apps and processes you don't need. You can do that in Settings/Apps. 
Samsung installs a lot of bloatware and if you don't use those things, turn 
them off or remove them. You can't always uninstall these but you can 
disable some of them. Also uninstall any extra apps you don't use. I have a 
newer Samsung tablet and I disabled or deleted almost half the software it 
shipped with. Many of these run in the background and use memory. Launcher 
widgets also run constantly so remove the ones you don't need from your 
launch screens.

--
Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
On August 10, 2023 5:03:24 AM Klaus major-k via use-livecode 
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi friends,
>
> maybe you remember my problem, that my app
> turns into a black screen occacionally.
>
> This has happened again about four or five times since
> I reported it here.
>
> This never happens at home, only when I am at a band
> rehearsal, but never at a gig (fingers crossed).
>
> Restarting the dveice definitively cures this, thank you Panos,
> but sometimes, especially at a gig, I do not have the time to
> do so. :-/
>
> So any further hints highly appreciated!
>
> macOS 12.6.8, LC 9.6.9, android 5.1 on a SAMSUNG TAB A tablet.
> I'm mainly using the PDF widget if that matters...
>
>
> Best
>
> Klaus
> --
> Klaus Major
> https://www.major-k.de
> https://www.major-k.de/bass
> klaus at major-k.de
>
>
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From dsc at swcp.com  Thu Aug 10 18:30:55 2023
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2023 16:30:55 -0600
Subject: Rectangles on Windows?
In-Reply-To: <91D44125-B408-4F17-9E25-4E132B4B8409@swcp.com>
References: <91D44125-B408-4F17-9E25-4E132B4B8409@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <64C8B881-4CE5-4A56-9588-C2BC30A359BD@swcp.com>

Anybody else seeing missing rectangles on Windows?  — Dar

> On Aug 8, 2023, at 12:14 PM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> I have some rectangles that work just fine in development on my Mac.
> 
> However, there are problems in my Windows standalone. 
> 
> Not Showing Up
> Two sets of rectangles are not visible in Windows. One set is opaque and one set is not. The opaque set is made visible or not invisible with a wipe effect. Both sets have a non-zero border thickness
> 
> Showing Up
> Other rectangles have opaque true, backgroundColor red, and border thickness 0. They are visible on Windows. They are also within a group. These are made visible and not visible with a same wipe effect. 
> 
> 
> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Aug 10 18:45:20 2023
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2023 22:45:20 +0000
Subject: Rectangles on Windows?
In-Reply-To: <64C8B881-4CE5-4A56-9588-C2BC30A359BD@swcp.com>
References: <91D44125-B408-4F17-9E25-4E132B4B8409@swcp.com>
 <64C8B881-4CE5-4A56-9588-C2BC30A359BD@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <61993CB1-D125-42DA-8E37-96368DF9F6AA@iotecdigital.com>

Sorry Dar, I do not use rectangles for anything. 

Bob S


> On Aug 10, 2023, at 3:30 PM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Anybody else seeing missing rectangles on Windows?  — Dar
> 
>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 12:14 PM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I have some rectangles that work just fine in development on my Mac.
>> 
>> However, there are problems in my Windows standalone. 
>> 
>> Not Showing Up
>> Two sets of rectangles are not visible in Windows. One set is opaque and one set is not. The opaque set is made visible or not invisible with a wipe effect. Both sets have a non-zero border thickness
>> 
>> Showing Up
>> Other rectangles have opaque true, backgroundColor red, and border thickness 0. They are visible on Windows. They are also within a group. These are made visible and not visible with a same wipe effect. 


From klaus at major-k.de  Fri Aug 11 04:12:56 2023
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2023 10:12:56 +0200
Subject: Android black screen again...
In-Reply-To: <189e127faa8.276f.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <B06D41E1-B511-4F30-9244-9DC731C08A6D@major-k.de>
 <189e127faa8.276f.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <48D02CCA-2419-4562-BBB4-B1912ED34DD6@major-k.de>

Hi Jacque,

> Am 10.08.2023 um 22:34 schrieb J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> I looked up the Samsung Tab A and it says it runs Android 9, upgradable to 11. There are multiple RAM options. Is this the one you have? <https://m.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_tab_a_10_1_(2019)-9582.php>
> 
> I'm just guessing, but memory may be too low to allow the browser widget to work, since it does work after a reboot and the problem only happens occasionally. But Android 5 is almost 10 years old and I'd be surprised if that is what your tablet is running. Have you checked for an update? You have much more control of memory usage with a newer OS.

sorry, my fault, I obviously have an older version of the tablet and it does in fact run Android 8.1.
However it is not upgradable.

> In any case, you can keep memory usage lower if you delete or disable all apps and processes you don't need. You can do that in Settings/Apps. Samsung installs a lot of bloatware and if you don't use those things, turn them off or remove them. You can't always uninstall these but you can disable some of them. Also uninstall any extra apps you don't use. I have a newer Samsung tablet and I disabled or deleted almost half the software it shipped with. Many of these run in the background and use memory. Launcher widgets also run constantly so remove the ones you don't need from your launch screens.

I already did that, snice I only need the device for displaying PDF leadsheets.
But if it would be a memory issue, then it would happen more often, I think.

The problem is that this is not reproducable, it happens out of a sudden if it happens.
Even the hardware BACKKEY does not work in that situation, only the HOMEKEY so I can 
at least quit the app.

> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> On August 10, 2023 5:03:24 AM Klaus major-k via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hi friends,
>> 
>> maybe you remember my problem, that my app
>> turns into a black screen occacionally.
>> 
>> This has happened again about four or five times since
>> I reported it here.
>> 
>> This never happens at home, only when I am at a band
>> rehearsal, but never at a gig (fingers crossed).
>> 
>> Restarting the dveice definitively cures this, thank you Panos,
>> but sometimes, especially at a gig, I do not have the time to
>> do so. :-/
>> 
>> So any further hints highly appreciated!
>> 
>> macOS 12.6.8, LC 9.6.9, android 5.1 on a SAMSUNG TAB A tablet.
>> I'm mainly using the PDF widget if that matters...

Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
https://www.major-k.de
https://www.major-k.de/bass
klaus at major-k.de



From dsc at swcp.com  Fri Aug 11 10:19:52 2023
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2023 08:19:52 -0600
Subject: Rectangles on Windows?
In-Reply-To: <61993CB1-D125-42DA-8E37-96368DF9F6AA@iotecdigital.com>
References: <91D44125-B408-4F17-9E25-4E132B4B8409@swcp.com>
 <64C8B881-4CE5-4A56-9588-C2BC30A359BD@swcp.com>
 <61993CB1-D125-42DA-8E37-96368DF9F6AA@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <0916EA2B-8E51-4C5A-B8E5-C50FC5B85197@swcp.com>

Hmmm. Maybe few use rectangles. I could try a polyline or a group. — Dar

> On Aug 10, 2023, at 4:45 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Sorry Dar, I do not use rectangles for anything. 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Aug 10, 2023, at 3:30 PM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Anybody else seeing missing rectangles on Windows?  — Dar
>> 
>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 12:14 PM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I have some rectangles that work just fine in development on my Mac.
>>> 
>>> However, there are problems in my Windows standalone. 
>>> 
>>> Not Showing Up
>>> Two sets of rectangles are not visible in Windows. One set is opaque and one set is not. The opaque set is made visible or not invisible with a wipe effect. Both sets have a non-zero border thickness
>>> 
>>> Showing Up
>>> Other rectangles have opaque true, backgroundColor red, and border thickness 0. They are visible on Windows. They are also within a group. These are made visible and not visible with a same wipe effect. 
> 
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From paul at researchware.com  Fri Aug 11 11:19:50 2023
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2023 11:19:50 -0400
Subject: Rectangles on Windows?
In-Reply-To: <0916EA2B-8E51-4C5A-B8E5-C50FC5B85197@swcp.com>
References: <91D44125-B408-4F17-9E25-4E132B4B8409@swcp.com>
 <64C8B881-4CE5-4A56-9588-C2BC30A359BD@swcp.com>
 <61993CB1-D125-42DA-8E37-96368DF9F6AA@iotecdigital.com>
 <0916EA2B-8E51-4C5A-B8E5-C50FC5B85197@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <32b1c3d5-15b2-3328-9458-5fc38f4b3520@researchware.com>

If you want to send me a link to your Windows standalone, I would be 
happy to download it (Windows 11 HP laptop) and see if I see the same 
thing. Or a link to your stack and I can see if it appears in the LC 
9.6.9 IDE if you want.


On 8/11/2023 10:19 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode wrote:
> Hmmm. Maybe few use rectangles. I could try a polyline or a group.  Dar
>
>> On Aug 10, 2023, at 4:45 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> Sorry Dar, I do not use rectangles for anything.
>>
>> Bob S
>>
>>
>>> On Aug 10, 2023, at 3:30 PM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Anybody else seeing missing rectangles on Windows?   Dar
>>>
>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 12:14 PM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have some rectangles that work just fine in development on my Mac.
>>>>
>>>> However, there are problems in my Windows standalone.
>>>>
>>>> Not Showing Up
>>>> Two sets of rectangles are not visible in Windows. One set is opaque and one set is not. The opaque set is made visible or not invisible with a wipe effect. Both sets have a non-zero border thickness
>>>>
>>>> Showing Up
>>>> Other rectangles have opaque true, backgroundColor red, and border thickness 0. They are visible on Windows. They are also within a group. These are made visible and not visible with a same wipe effect.
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Aug 11 13:20:33 2023
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2023 17:20:33 +0000
Subject: Tab Widget Go command
Message-ID: <871423F1-6902-4A9D-A85A-4DEE8AF2D9CD@iotecdigital.com>

In the dictionary, there is a Go command for widgets. I assumed this meant I can do something like: 

Go forward in widget “TabBar”

But that does not work. Any ideas? I can kludge it. I would rather not have to. 

Bob S


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Aug 11 16:30:55 2023
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2023 15:30:55 -0500
Subject: Android black screen again...
In-Reply-To: <48D02CCA-2419-4562-BBB4-B1912ED34DD6@major-k.de>
References: <B06D41E1-B511-4F30-9244-9DC731C08A6D@major-k.de>
 <189e127faa8.276f.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <48D02CCA-2419-4562-BBB4-B1912ED34DD6@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <a170a673-0998-7a36-9ca8-d1c26fe158c7@hyperactivesw.com>

On 8/11/23 3:12 AM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote:
> The problem is that this is not reproducable, it happens out of a sudden if it happens.
> Even the hardware BACKKEY does not work in that situation, only the HOMEKEY so I can
> at least quit the app.

That's called an ANR ("Application Not Responding"). Something in the app is causing a hang. If 
you wait long enough, Android should put up a dialog asking if you want to wait or close the 
app. If you choose to wait, sometimes it comes back. However, the wait can be 10-20 seconds or 
more so people often just quit before the dialog appears.

The problem here is figuring out what causes it. Is it always the same PDF file? Or maybe it 
happens after opening a certain number of files, or the length of a file, or the cumulative 
length of several files, or...? If it isn't reproducible, it's very difficult to find the cause.

If it happens to you at home some day, see if waiting 15 seconds or more puts up that dialog. 
That would confirm it's an ANR.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Aug 11 18:00:22 2023
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2023 17:00:22 -0500
Subject: Sorting Arrays
In-Reply-To: <1d2a693e-414c-e7aa-9cd0-b53d76e3962f@tweedly.net>
References: <F45E93C0-C185-4E9D-99AC-7136847CC350@iotecdigital.com>
 <1d2a693e-414c-e7aa-9cd0-b53d76e3962f@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <9d073821-5337-fca9-185d-3623d399eb79@hyperactivesw.com>

On 8/10/23 2:29 PM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:
> Combining my "traditional" way as above, and your example, I came up with a  simpler way to do 
> the same thing:
> 
>> on simpleSortNumberedArray @pArrayDataA, pSortKeys
>>    local tKeys, tSeq, tOneSortKey, tSortCommand
>>    put seqAsLines(pArrayDataA) into tKeys
>>    repeat with I = the number of items in pSortKeys down to 1
>>       put item I of pSortKeys into tOneSortKey
>>       put "sort lines of tKeys" && word 2 to -1 of tOneSortKey && \
>>             "by pArrayData[each][" && word 1 of tOneSortKey && "]" into tSortCommand
>>       do tSortCommand
>>    end repeat
>>    rebuildSeq pArrayDataA, tKeys
>> end simpleSortNumberedArray
>>
>> function seqAsLines pSeq
>>    local tRes
>>    repeat with i = 1 to the number of elements in pSeq
>>       put i & CR after tRes
>>    end repeat
>>    return tRes
>> end seqAsLines
>>
>> command rebuildSeq @pSeq, pList
>>    local tResQ, tCount
>>    repeat for each line L in pList
>>       add 1 to tCount
>>       put pSeq[L] into tResQ[tCount]
>>    end repeat
>>    put tResQ into pSeq
>> end rebuildSeq 

I couldn't get this to work until I altered it, but I was using a very simple array. What type 
of array data did you use? I think I'm missing something.

I just did this:

   put the weekdayNames into tDataA
   split tDataA by cr
   simpleSortNumberedArray tDataA, "descending,text"

For that array, this worked:

on simpleSortNumberedArray pArrayDataA, pSortKeys
   local tKeys, tSeq, tOneSortKey, tSortCommand
   put seqAsLines(pArrayDataA) into tKeys
   repeat with I = the number of items in pSortKeys down to 1
     put item I of pSortKeys into tOneSortKey
     --    put "sort lines of tKeys" && word 2 to -1 of tOneSortKey && \
     --      "by pArrayDataA[each][" && word 1 of tOneSortKey && "]" into tSortCommand
     put "sort lines of tKeys" && tOneSortKey into tSortCommand
     do tSortCommand
   end repeat
   rebuildSeq pArrayDataA, tKeys
end simpleSortNumberedArray

function seqAsLines pSeq
   local tRes
   --  repeat with i = 1 to the number of elements in pSeq
   repeat for each element e in pSeq
     put e & CR after tRes
   end repeat
   return tRes
end seqAsLines

command rebuildSeq @pSeq, pList
   local tResQ, tCount
   repeat for each line L in pList
     add 1 to tCount
     --    put pSeq[L] into tResQ[tCount]
     put L into tResQ[tCount]
   end repeat
   put tResQ into pSeq
end rebuildSeq

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From alex at tweedly.net  Fri Aug 11 19:58:59 2023
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2023 00:58:59 +0100
Subject: Sorting Arrays
In-Reply-To: <9d073821-5337-fca9-185d-3623d399eb79@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <F45E93C0-C185-4E9D-99AC-7136847CC350@iotecdigital.com>
 <1d2a693e-414c-e7aa-9cd0-b53d76e3962f@tweedly.net>
 <9d073821-5337-fca9-185d-3623d399eb79@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <ca68b8a6-8b5e-3357-269a-143b24dda262@tweedly.net>


On 11/08/2023 23:00, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
> On 8/10/23 2:29 PM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:
> [ ... code from earlier posting ...]

> I couldn't get this to work until I altered it, but I was using a very 
> simple array. What type of array data did you use? I think I'm missing 
> something.
>
> I just did this:
>
>   put the weekdayNames into tDataA
>   split tDataA by cr
>   simpleSortNumberedArray tDataA, "descending,text"
>
What you're missing is that this (simpleSortNumberedArray) is only 
intended for "numbered array"s (which LC is calling "sequences" in some 
places); i.e. an array where the (top-level) keys are all consecutive 
integers, from 1 .... n

Also, the pSortkeys should be a number of comma-separated items, each of 
which consists of a key by which you want to sort the array followed 
optionally by an order and type.

So you might do something like :

> on mouseup
>    local tCounter, tDataA
>
>    repeat for each line L in the weekdayNames
>       add 1 to tCounter
>       put L into tDataA[tCounter]["dayname"]
>       put the number of chars in L into tDataA[tCounter]["charcount"]
>    end repeat
>
>    -- sorts ascending by name (i.e. F, M, Sa, Su, Th, Tu, W)
>    simpleSortNumberedArray tDataA, "dayname"
>    repeat with I = 1 to 7
>       put tDataA[I]["charcount"] && tDataA[I]["dayname"] & CR after msg
>    end repeat
>
>    put "---------" &CR after msg
>
>    -- sorts descending numeric by number of characters in name
>    --  NB within each char count value, they remain in alphabetical 
> order of name
>    simpleSortNumberedArray tDataA, "charcount numeric descending"
>    repeat with I = 1 to 7
>       put tDataA[I]["charcount"] && tDataA[I]["dayname"] & CR after msg
>    end repeat
> end mouseup
and get as output

> 6 Friday
> 6 Monday
> 8 Saturday
> 6 Sunday
> 8 Thursday
> 7 Tuesday
> 9 Wednesday
> ---------
> 9 Wednesday
> 8 Saturday
> 8 Thursday
> 7 Tuesday
> 6 Friday
> 6 Monday
> 6 Sunday

So - it would be worth adding a check that the array passed in is indeed 
a sequence, at the start of simpleSortNumberedArray:

if NOT (pArrayDataA is an array AND \
            item 2 of extents(pArrayDataA) is the number of elements in 
pArrayDataA) then \
                  return pArrayData

I'm now going to add this to my personal library, but I'll rename it to

     seqSortMultipleKeys

Alex.




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Aug 11 20:07:47 2023
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2023 00:07:47 +0000
Subject: Sorting Arrays
In-Reply-To: <ca68b8a6-8b5e-3357-269a-143b24dda262@tweedly.net>
References: <F45E93C0-C185-4E9D-99AC-7136847CC350@iotecdigital.com>
 <1d2a693e-414c-e7aa-9cd0-b53d76e3962f@tweedly.net>
 <9d073821-5337-fca9-185d-3623d399eb79@hyperactivesw.com>
 <ca68b8a6-8b5e-3357-269a-143b24dda262@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <43732233-0960-4653-BF08-F6BC36DB4275@iotecdigital.com>

Send me what you have. Thanks. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 11, 2023, at 17:02, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On 11/08/2023 23:00, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
>> On 8/10/23 2:29 PM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:
>> [ ... code from earlier posting ...]
> 
>> I couldn't get this to work until I altered it, but I was using a very simple array. What type of array data did you use? I think I'm missing something.
>> 
>> I just did this:
>> 
>>   put the weekdayNames into tDataA
>>   split tDataA by cr
>>   simpleSortNumberedArray tDataA, "descending,text"
>> 
> What you're missing is that this (simpleSortNumberedArray) is only intended for "numbered array"s (which LC is calling "sequences" in some places); i.e. an array where the (top-level) keys are all consecutive integers, from 1 .... n
> 
> Also, the pSortkeys should be a number of comma-separated items, each of which consists of a key by which you want to sort the array followed optionally by an order and type.
> 
> So you might do something like :
> 
>> on mouseup
>>    local tCounter, tDataA
>> 
>>    repeat for each line L in the weekdayNames
>>       add 1 to tCounter
>>       put L into tDataA[tCounter]["dayname"]
>>       put the number of chars in L into tDataA[tCounter]["charcount"]
>>    end repeat
>> 
>>    -- sorts ascending by name (i.e. F, M, Sa, Su, Th, Tu, W)
>>    simpleSortNumberedArray tDataA, "dayname"
>>    repeat with I = 1 to 7
>>       put tDataA[I]["charcount"] && tDataA[I]["dayname"] & CR after msg
>>    end repeat
>> 
>>    put "---------" &CR after msg
>> 
>>    -- sorts descending numeric by number of characters in name
>>    --  NB within each char count value, they remain in alphabetical order of name
>>    simpleSortNumberedArray tDataA, "charcount numeric descending"
>>    repeat with I = 1 to 7
>>       put tDataA[I]["charcount"] && tDataA[I]["dayname"] & CR after msg
>>    end repeat
>> end mouseup
> and get as output
> 
>> 6 Friday
>> 6 Monday
>> 8 Saturday
>> 6 Sunday
>> 8 Thursday
>> 7 Tuesday
>> 9 Wednesday
>> ---------
>> 9 Wednesday
>> 8 Saturday
>> 8 Thursday
>> 7 Tuesday
>> 6 Friday
>> 6 Monday
>> 6 Sunday
> 
> So - it would be worth adding a check that the array passed in is indeed a sequence, at the start of simpleSortNumberedArray:
> 
> if NOT (pArrayDataA is an array AND \
>            item 2 of extents(pArrayDataA) is the number of elements in pArrayDataA) then \
>                  return pArrayData
> 
> I'm now going to add this to my personal library, but I'll rename it to
> 
>     seqSortMultipleKeys
> 
> Alex.
> 
> 
> 
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From klaus at major-k.de  Sat Aug 12 03:31:21 2023
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2023 09:31:21 +0200
Subject: Android black screen again...
In-Reply-To: <a170a673-0998-7a36-9ca8-d1c26fe158c7@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <B06D41E1-B511-4F30-9244-9DC731C08A6D@major-k.de>
 <189e127faa8.276f.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <48D02CCA-2419-4562-BBB4-B1912ED34DD6@major-k.de>
 <a170a673-0998-7a36-9ca8-d1c26fe158c7@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <43493CFD-F381-41E1-AD4D-0FC859801E5B@major-k.de>

Hi Jacque,

you wrote:

> I'm just guessing, but memory may be too low to allow the browser widget to work,

however I am not using the browser widget (does not display PDFs on Andoid!)
but the PDF widget!

> Am 11.08.2023 um 22:30 schrieb J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> On 8/11/23 3:12 AM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote:
>> The problem is that this is not reproducable, it happens out of a sudden if it happens.
>> Even the hardware BACKKEY does not work in that situation, only the HOMEKEY so I can
>> at least quit the app.
> 
> That's called an ANR ("Application Not Responding"). Something in the app is causing a hang. If you wait long enough, Android should put up a dialog asking if you want to wait or close the app. If you choose to wait, sometimes it comes back. However, the wait can be 10-20 seconds or more so people often just quit before the dialog appears.

OK, if I have the time I will wait next time and see what happens.

> The problem here is figuring out what causes it. Is it always the same PDF file? Or maybe it happens after opening a certain number of files, or the length of a file, or the cumulative length of several files, or...? If it isn't reproducible, it's very difficult to find the cause.

It happen when I start the app, at that point there is no PDF loaded, just the "start card"
with a couple of poly grids.

It also happened in the same "session", means no switching the device off and on again.
I started the device then opened my app, no problems.
Then I quit my app and started again, BOOM, black screen.

> If it happens to you at home some day, see if waiting 15 seconds or more puts up that dialog. That would confirm it's an ANR.

Yes, will do, thanks for the hint!

> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com

Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
https://www.major-k.de
https://www.major-k.de/bass
klaus at major-k.de



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Aug 12 12:30:17 2023
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2023 11:30:17 -0500
Subject: Sorting Arrays
In-Reply-To: <ca68b8a6-8b5e-3357-269a-143b24dda262@tweedly.net>
References: <F45E93C0-C185-4E9D-99AC-7136847CC350@iotecdigital.com>
 <1d2a693e-414c-e7aa-9cd0-b53d76e3962f@tweedly.net>
 <9d073821-5337-fca9-185d-3623d399eb79@hyperactivesw.com>
 <ca68b8a6-8b5e-3357-269a-143b24dda262@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <189ea958da8.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>

Got it, thanks. The array was numbered but I didn't have enough dimensions.

--
Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
On August 11, 2023 7:03:33 PM Alex Tweedly via use-livecode 
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> On 11/08/2023 23:00, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
>> On 8/10/23 2:29 PM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:
>> [ ... code from earlier posting ...]
>
>> I couldn't get this to work until I altered it, but I was using a very
>> simple array. What type of array data did you use? I think I'm missing
>> something.
>>
>> I just did this:
>>
>>   put the weekdayNames into tDataA
>>   split tDataA by cr
>>   simpleSortNumberedArray tDataA, "descending,text"
>>
> What you're missing is that this (simpleSortNumberedArray) is only
> intended for "numbered array"s (which LC is calling "sequences" in some
> places); i.e. an array where the (top-level) keys are all consecutive
> integers, from 1 .... n
>
> Also, the pSortkeys should be a number of comma-separated items, each of
> which consists of a key by which you want to sort the array followed
> optionally by an order and type.
>
> So you might do something like :
>
>> on mouseup
>>    local tCounter, tDataA
>>
>>    repeat for each line L in the weekdayNames
>>       add 1 to tCounter
>>       put L into tDataA[tCounter]["dayname"]
>>       put the number of chars in L into tDataA[tCounter]["charcount"]
>>    end repeat
>>
>>    -- sorts ascending by name (i.e. F, M, Sa, Su, Th, Tu, W)
>>    simpleSortNumberedArray tDataA, "dayname"
>>    repeat with I = 1 to 7
>>       put tDataA[I]["charcount"] && tDataA[I]["dayname"] & CR after msg
>>    end repeat
>>
>>    put "---------" &CR after msg
>>
>>    -- sorts descending numeric by number of characters in name
>>    --  NB within each char count value, they remain in alphabetical
>> order of name
>>    simpleSortNumberedArray tDataA, "charcount numeric descending"
>>    repeat with I = 1 to 7
>>       put tDataA[I]["charcount"] && tDataA[I]["dayname"] & CR after msg
>>    end repeat
>> end mouseup
> and get as output
>
>> 6 Friday
>> 6 Monday
>> 8 Saturday
>> 6 Sunday
>> 8 Thursday
>> 7 Tuesday
>> 9 Wednesday
>> ---------
>> 9 Wednesday
>> 8 Saturday
>> 8 Thursday
>> 7 Tuesday
>> 6 Friday
>> 6 Monday
>> 6 Sunday
>
> So - it would be worth adding a check that the array passed in is indeed
> a sequence, at the start of simpleSortNumberedArray:
>
> if NOT (pArrayDataA is an array AND \
>            item 2 of extents(pArrayDataA) is the number of elements in
> pArrayDataA) then \
>                  return pArrayData
>
> I'm now going to add this to my personal library, but I'll rename it to
>
>     seqSortMultipleKeys
>
> Alex.
>
>
>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Aug 12 12:35:47 2023
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2023 11:35:47 -0500
Subject: Sorting Arrays
In-Reply-To: <43732233-0960-4653-BF08-F6BC36DB4275@iotecdigital.com>
References: <F45E93C0-C185-4E9D-99AC-7136847CC350@iotecdigital.com>
 <1d2a693e-414c-e7aa-9cd0-b53d76e3962f@tweedly.net>
 <9d073821-5337-fca9-185d-3623d399eb79@hyperactivesw.com>
 <ca68b8a6-8b5e-3357-269a-143b24dda262@tweedly.net>
 <43732233-0960-4653-BF08-F6BC36DB4275@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <189ea9a92d0.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>

I used a short, one-dimensional numbered array:

put the weekdayNames into tDataA
split tDataA by cr
simpleSortNumberedArray tDataA, "descending,text"

But as Alex explained, one dimension wasn't enough.

--
Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
On August 11, 2023 7:09:50 PM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Send me what you have. Thanks.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Aug 11, 2023, at 17:02, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode 
>> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>>> On 11/08/2023 23:00, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
>>> On 8/10/23 2:29 PM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:
>>> [ ... code from earlier posting ...]
>>
>>> I couldn't get this to work until I altered it, but I was using a very 
>>> simple array. What type of array data did you use? I think I'm missing 
>>> something.
>>>
>>> I just did this:
>>>
>>>   put the weekdayNames into tDataA
>>>   split tDataA by cr
>>>   simpleSortNumberedArray tDataA, "descending,text"
>>>
>> What you're missing is that this (simpleSortNumberedArray) is only intended 
>> for "numbered array"s (which LC is calling "sequences" in some places); 
>> i.e. an array where the (top-level) keys are all consecutive integers, from 
>> 1 .... n
>>
>> Also, the pSortkeys should be a number of comma-separated items, each of 
>> which consists of a key by which you want to sort the array followed 
>> optionally by an order and type.
>>
>> So you might do something like :
>>
>>> on mouseup
>>>    local tCounter, tDataA
>>>
>>>    repeat for each line L in the weekdayNames
>>>       add 1 to tCounter
>>>       put L into tDataA[tCounter]["dayname"]
>>>       put the number of chars in L into tDataA[tCounter]["charcount"]
>>>    end repeat
>>>
>>>    -- sorts ascending by name (i.e. F, M, Sa, Su, Th, Tu, W)
>>>    simpleSortNumberedArray tDataA, "dayname"
>>>    repeat with I = 1 to 7
>>>       put tDataA[I]["charcount"] && tDataA[I]["dayname"] & CR after msg
>>>    end repeat
>>>
>>>    put "---------" &CR after msg
>>>
>>>    -- sorts descending numeric by number of characters in name
>>>    --  NB within each char count value, they remain in alphabetical order of name
>>>    simpleSortNumberedArray tDataA, "charcount numeric descending"
>>>    repeat with I = 1 to 7
>>>       put tDataA[I]["charcount"] && tDataA[I]["dayname"] & CR after msg
>>>    end repeat
>>> end mouseup
>> and get as output
>>
>>> 6 Friday
>>> 6 Monday
>>> 8 Saturday
>>> 6 Sunday
>>> 8 Thursday
>>> 7 Tuesday
>>> 9 Wednesday
>>> ---------
>>> 9 Wednesday
>>> 8 Saturday
>>> 8 Thursday
>>> 7 Tuesday
>>> 6 Friday
>>> 6 Monday
>>> 6 Sunday
>>
>> So - it would be worth adding a check that the array passed in is indeed a 
>> sequence, at the start of simpleSortNumberedArray:
>>
>> if NOT (pArrayDataA is an array AND \
>>            item 2 of extents(pArrayDataA) is the number of elements in pArrayDataA) then \
>>                  return pArrayData
>>
>> I'm now going to add this to my personal library, but I'll rename it to
>>
>>     seqSortMultipleKeys
>>
>> Alex.
>>
>>
>>
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Sat Aug 12 18:22:18 2023
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2023 22:22:18 +0000
Subject: Sorting Arrays
In-Reply-To: <189ea9a92d0.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <F45E93C0-C185-4E9D-99AC-7136847CC350@iotecdigital.com>
 <1d2a693e-414c-e7aa-9cd0-b53d76e3962f@tweedly.net>
 <9d073821-5337-fca9-185d-3623d399eb79@hyperactivesw.com>
 <ca68b8a6-8b5e-3357-269a-143b24dda262@tweedly.net>
 <43732233-0960-4653-BF08-F6BC36DB4275@iotecdigital.com>
 <189ea9a92d0.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <96401816-CDD0-4F24-935F-679A1B49E0AB@iotecdigital.com>

I formatted the sortKeys as I would an SQL query or an LC sort, but then I needed to isolate the key from the parameters because I couldn’t assume the sort key was simply the first word. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 12, 2023, at 09:36, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I used a short, one-dimensional numbered array:
> 
> put the weekdayNames into tDataA
> split tDataA by cr
> simpleSortNumberedArray tDataA, "descending,text"
> 
> But as Alex explained, one dimension wasn't enough.
> 
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>> On August 11, 2023 7:09:50 PM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Send me what you have. Thanks.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Aug 11, 2023, at 17:02, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?
>>>> On 11/08/2023 23:00, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
>>>> On 8/10/23 2:29 PM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:
>>>> [ ... code from earlier posting ...]
>>> 
>>>> I couldn't get this to work until I altered it, but I was using a very simple array. What type of array data did you use? I think I'm missing something.
>>>> 
>>>> I just did this:
>>>> 
>>>>  put the weekdayNames into tDataA
>>>>  split tDataA by cr
>>>>  simpleSortNumberedArray tDataA, "descending,text"
>>>> 
>>> What you're missing is that this (simpleSortNumberedArray) is only intended for "numbered array"s (which LC is calling "sequences" in some places); i.e. an array where the (top-level) keys are all consecutive integers, from 1 .... n
>>> 
>>> Also, the pSortkeys should be a number of comma-separated items, each of which consists of a key by which you want to sort the array followed optionally by an order and type.
>>> 
>>> So you might do something like :
>>> 
>>>> on mouseup
>>>>   local tCounter, tDataA
>>>> 
>>>>   repeat for each line L in the weekdayNames
>>>>      add 1 to tCounter
>>>>      put L into tDataA[tCounter]["dayname"]
>>>>      put the number of chars in L into tDataA[tCounter]["charcount"]
>>>>   end repeat
>>>> 
>>>>   -- sorts ascending by name (i.e. F, M, Sa, Su, Th, Tu, W)
>>>>   simpleSortNumberedArray tDataA, "dayname"
>>>>   repeat with I = 1 to 7
>>>>      put tDataA[I]["charcount"] && tDataA[I]["dayname"] & CR after msg
>>>>   end repeat
>>>> 
>>>>   put "---------" &CR after msg
>>>> 
>>>>   -- sorts descending numeric by number of characters in name
>>>>   --  NB within each char count value, they remain in alphabetical order of name
>>>>   simpleSortNumberedArray tDataA, "charcount numeric descending"
>>>>   repeat with I = 1 to 7
>>>>      put tDataA[I]["charcount"] && tDataA[I]["dayname"] & CR after msg
>>>>   end repeat
>>>> end mouseup
>>> and get as output
>>> 
>>>> 6 Friday
>>>> 6 Monday
>>>> 8 Saturday
>>>> 6 Sunday
>>>> 8 Thursday
>>>> 7 Tuesday
>>>> 9 Wednesday
>>>> ---------
>>>> 9 Wednesday
>>>> 8 Saturday
>>>> 8 Thursday
>>>> 7 Tuesday
>>>> 6 Friday
>>>> 6 Monday
>>>> 6 Sunday
>>> 
>>> So - it would be worth adding a check that the array passed in is indeed a sequence, at the start of simpleSortNumberedArray:
>>> 
>>> if NOT (pArrayDataA is an array AND \
>>>           item 2 of extents(pArrayDataA) is the number of elements in pArrayDataA) then \
>>>                 return pArrayData
>>> 
>>> I'm now going to add this to my personal library, but I'll rename it to
>>> 
>>>    seqSortMultipleKeys
>>> 
>>> Alex.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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From neville.smythe at optusnet.com.au  Sun Aug 13 08:45:39 2023
From: neville.smythe at optusnet.com.au (Neville Smythe)
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2023 22:45:39 +1000
Subject: Linux file names in LC Server
Message-ID: <903ADB0E-1E82-44C9-96A1-C4FE62EC10B9@optusnet.com.au>

As we know with LC it is pretty straightforward to deal with internationalised text for remote databases and unknown user platforms by conversion to utf-8. But I have come across a problem with Linux filenames containing non-ascii characters which has me befuddled.

My many-years-old app has until now just required all filenames to be in standard 7-bit ascii, so it was way past time I brought it up to date. 

The app talks to a database, media  and web site on a unix (DreamHost) server using LC server as intermediary.

I create a file say “Carré.txt” on a Mac - the non-ascii character in that name being [e-acute] - I shall use this convention from now on to ensure what is displayed here on the forum is understood.

BTW, as far as I can determine that character in the Mac file system is a single byte hex [8e], the classic MacRoman encoding, not its utf-8 2-byte [C3A9] encoding. So I don’t understand how macOS handles unicode in its filesystem, which it certainly does. We are exhorted to textEncode to utf-8 when exporting anything outside LC but perhaps not filenames??  If I textEncode the filename and save with that name I get a new file “Carr[squareroot copyright].txt”. I am befuddled already - how does macOS distinguish MacRoman encoding from unicode encoding when it displays a file name? - but that is another story for another place..

Oh, and another story: it ain't true that all text in LC is utf-16: While it’s not possible using LC-API’s to determine exactly what is inside the black-box of an LC variable in memory, it is evidently platform dependent —  that MacRoman [8e] is reported as being the relevant byte in the LC variable. What can be determined is what is on disk when a stack is saved: there text appears to be encoded as a mixture of 7-bit ascii when it can be, utf-16 encoding for other characters. Not that we as consumers need to know how the magic is performed, as long as it works. Back to my story..

So now I want to upload this file to my remote Linux server. I POST a form, prepared with libURLMultiPartFormData, to an LC Server script, which is supposed to save the received file.

If I attempt to use the original Mac file name, the server responds “Cannot open file Carr[e-acute].txt” 
(this is the Result error message from "open file tFileName for binary write”)

If I send textEncode(filename, utf-8) as the file name, the server responds “Cannot open file Carr[squareroot][copyright].txt”

If I textEncode at the client end, and then textDecode on the server it responds “Cannot open file Carre[E-grave].txt” (Where did THAT come from? Is there a bug in textDecode on Linux LCS?  The native encoding on Linux is supposed to be ISO-Latin-1, where E-grave is hex [C8], in MacRoman it is [E9], no apparent connections between them or the utf-8 bytes.)

And just as a piece of nonsense, if I send the raw un-Encoded Mac file name, but then textDecode on the server, the file is happily saved as “Carr.txt”, which is correct since [8e] followed by .  is illegal as utf-8, so the [e-acute] is just skipped by textDecode.

Could it be that LCserver cannot create files on Linux  with non-ascii names?!?  That doesn’t seem believable. I can of course directly create files on the server with non-ascii characters such as e-acute.

Either I am missing something, or surely our European users have seen this already, so someone should be able to unfuddle me!

Neville Smythe




From harrison at all-auctions.com  Sun Aug 13 09:29:46 2023
From: harrison at all-auctions.com (harrison at all-auctions.com)
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2023 09:29:46 -0400
Subject: LC 9.6.9 App uses too much memory!
In-Reply-To: <903ADB0E-1E82-44C9-96A1-C4FE62EC10B9@optusnet.com.au>
References: <903ADB0E-1E82-44C9-96A1-C4FE62EC10B9@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <848FFA3D-F8BA-45F1-8595-B4742FE107B9@all-auctions.com>

Hi LiveCoders,

I just got a warning from the OS that I was out of application memory. Livecode was using over 90 GB of memory!

The stack runs fine under LC 9.6.8 without any issues whatsoever, but as soon as I open it with LC 9.6.9 the problem reappears.
(I have to use force quit to shut down LC 9.6.9 when this happens.)

I’m running Mac OS Ventura on an M1 processor that has 16 GB of Memory.

Clearly this is a bug in LC 9.6.9, but I don’t know what is causing the problem.
I noticed that others in the past have run into a similar problem.  Was this
ever reported as a bug?

Do you have any ideas or suggestions?

Thanks,

Rick

From neville.smythe at optusnet.com.au  Sun Aug 13 21:45:59 2023
From: neville.smythe at optusnet.com.au (Neville Smythe)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2023 11:45:59 +1000
Subject: Linux filenames in LC Server
Message-ID: <E5AA10DB-86D7-4F58-9975-777FFD510042@optusnet.com.au>

OK, so the macOS *is* using utf-8 for its file names - the [e-acute] in the filename Carré.txt is rendered with two bytes [C3A9] not the single byte MacRoman encoding. I got tricked by copying the terminal listing into another program rather than hex dumping within the terminal, and somewhere in the process the native encoding was preferred. 

So one must *not* textEncode a filename to utf-8 before writing a file to disk, LC deals with the encoding, although you *should” textEncode its contents.

Which leaves the problem of why I can’t get LC Server on Linux to write non-ascii filenames

Neville Smythe





From dan at clearvisiontech.com  Mon Aug 14 01:34:04 2023
From: dan at clearvisiontech.com (Dan Friedman)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2023 05:34:04 +0000
Subject: Oddities with iOS IAP
In-Reply-To: <E5AA10DB-86D7-4F58-9975-777FFD510042@optusnet.com.au>
References: <E5AA10DB-86D7-4F58-9975-777FFD510042@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <BYAPR12MB2709E835086A8746A977C2FAB917A@BYAPR12MB2709.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>

I am getting some inconsistent results with in in app purchases from the iOS App Store.   In the TestFlight dev environment, the purchase “seems” to be complete…  I get all the normal iOS prompts to purchase the product, enter the password, etc.  I even get the “You’re All Set.  Your purchase was successful.” message.  But, most of the time the purcahseStateUpdate message is never received.  (Yes!  I am calling mobileStoreEnablePurchaseUpdates before anything else).

Also, after calling mobileStoreMakePurchase, there is quite a pause before you get the “confirm purchase” dialog… I mean like 7 to 10 seconds.  And, after you make the purchase (and you hear the ‘ding’), there is another 4-5 second pause before the “Your purchase was successful” message.   Is that normal?

Any thoughts, insights or advise?   Maybe this is a TestFlight dev environment thing?

FWIW, I have no issues on Android.  Google Play store is working as expected – every time.

-Dan


From mark at livecode.com  Mon Aug 14 06:13:51 2023
From: mark at livecode.com (Mark Waddingham)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2023 11:13:51 +0100
Subject: LC 9.6.9 App uses too much memory!
In-Reply-To: <848FFA3D-F8BA-45F1-8595-B4742FE107B9@all-auctions.com>
References: <903ADB0E-1E82-44C9-96A1-C4FE62EC10B9@optusnet.com.au>
 <848FFA3D-F8BA-45F1-8595-B4742FE107B9@all-auctions.com>
Message-ID: <332932d5c6b5963e704c40816aec8145@livecode.com>

On 2023-08-13 14:29, harrison--- via use-livecode wrote:
> Hi LiveCoders,
> 
> Clearly this is a bug in LC 9.6.9, but I dont know what is causing the 
> problem.
> I noticed that others in the past have run into a similar problem.  Was 
> this
> ever reported as a bug?

Could you file a bug report with recipe and attach (or send to 
support at livecode.com if its sensitive) the stack and recipe for 
reproducing the problem so we can take a look.

Thanks in advance,

Mark.

-- 
Mark Waddingham ~ mark at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
LiveCode: Build Amazing Things


From mark at livecode.com  Mon Aug 14 06:22:03 2023
From: mark at livecode.com (Mark Waddingham)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2023 11:22:03 +0100
Subject: Linux filenames in LC Server
In-Reply-To: <E5AA10DB-86D7-4F58-9975-777FFD510042@optusnet.com.au>
References: <E5AA10DB-86D7-4F58-9975-777FFD510042@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <e6cfaea8845d1fb8043e364cb2dd1e67@livecode.com>

On 2023-08-14 02:45, Neville Smythe via use-livecode wrote:
> OK, so the macOS *is* using utf-8 for its file names - the [e-acute] in 
> the filename Carr.txt is rendered with two bytes [C3A9] not the single 
> byte MacRoman encoding. I got tricked by copying the terminal listing 
> into another program rather than hex dumping within the terminal, and 
> somewhere in the process the native encoding was preferred.
> 
> So one must *not* textEncode a filename to utf-8 before writing a file 
> to disk, LC deals with the encoding, although you *should textEncode 
> its contents.
> 
> Which leaves the problem of why I cant get LC Server on Linux to write 
> non-ascii filenames

So I suspect the problem here is normalization, rather than the 
inability of Linux to write non-ascii filenames.

Characters such as e-acute / e-grave have *two* representations in 
unicode - the decomposed and composed form.

The composed form is a direct mapping from the native encodings and is a 
single codepoint, the decomposed form will be two codepoints - (e, 
combining-acute/grave)

Depending on where the string comes from it might either be composed or 
decomposed - macOS filenames are stored decomposed in the FS, but the 
higher-level parts of the OS make either form work (in a similar fashion 
to how macOS filesystems are case-insensitive by default).

Linux filesystems, however, are both case-sensitive and form-sensitive - 
a filename must match byte to byte with what it was created with 
(indeed, linux filesystems care nothing for encodings, they see 
filenames as a sequence of bytes which are interpreted relative to the 
user's current locale - the default locale on linux these days is 
utf-8).

If your app is managing the files completely on Linux (i.e. it is 
creating / deleting them and the filenames are not user-editable) then 
(if this is the caseu) the problem should be fixable by choosing a 
normalization form when you create / lookup the file - i.e. pass all 
filenames on the server through `normalizeText(<str>, <form>)` - here 
you want form to be either "NFC" (composed) or "NFD" (decomposed).

Warmest Regards,

Mark.

P.S. For all the gory details about Unicode normalization forms see - 
https://unicode.org/reports/tr15/

-- 
Mark Waddingham ~ mark at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
LiveCode: Build Amazing Things


From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Mon Aug 14 07:12:55 2023
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2023 13:12:55 +0200
Subject: Linux filenames in LC Server
In-Reply-To: <e6cfaea8845d1fb8043e364cb2dd1e67@livecode.com>
References: <E5AA10DB-86D7-4F58-9975-777FFD510042@optusnet.com.au>
 <e6cfaea8845d1fb8043e364cb2dd1e67@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <22FED311-D92C-4C60-BDB2-AB9336209572@m-r-d.de>

Hi Mark,

when i read Neville's post i thought also about normalize, although i really do not have a clue about the whole unicode stuff, but i remembered that the standalone builder make use of the normalize function. ;)

So i used this script on LC Server to write the seconds to a file containing an a-umlaut in its name.

put  normalizeText("testä.txt", "NFC") into tFile
put the seconds into URL ("binfile:"&tFile)
put the result
put "<br><br>"
put the files
put "<br><br>"
put tFile

But that does not work. "The result" returns 'can't open file'. 
As i already wrote i have no clue about unicode so i tried also NFD and also the other 2 options, but also w/o success.

Is there something else that  one hast to keep in mind to have success with this?


Regards,
Matthias



> Am 14.08.2023 um 12:22 schrieb Mark Waddingham via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> On 2023-08-14 02:45, Neville Smythe via use-livecode wrote:
>> OK, so the macOS *is* using utf-8 for its file names - the [e-acute] in the filename Carré.txt is rendered with two bytes [C3A9] not the single byte MacRoman encoding. I got tricked by copying the terminal listing into another program rather than hex dumping within the terminal, and somewhere in the process the native encoding was preferred.
>> So one must *not* textEncode a filename to utf-8 before writing a file to disk, LC deals with the encoding, although you *should” textEncode its contents.
>> Which leaves the problem of why I can’t get LC Server on Linux to write non-ascii filenames
> 
> So I suspect the problem here is normalization, rather than the inability of Linux to write non-ascii filenames.
> 
> Characters such as e-acute / e-grave have *two* representations in unicode - the decomposed and composed form.
> 
> The composed form is a direct mapping from the native encodings and is a single codepoint, the decomposed form will be two codepoints - (e, combining-acute/grave)
> 
> Depending on where the string comes from it might either be composed or decomposed - macOS filenames are stored decomposed in the FS, but the higher-level parts of the OS make either form work (in a similar fashion to how macOS filesystems are case-insensitive by default).
> 
> Linux filesystems, however, are both case-sensitive and form-sensitive - a filename must match byte to byte with what it was created with (indeed, linux filesystems care nothing for encodings, they see filenames as a sequence of bytes which are interpreted relative to the user's current locale - the default locale on linux these days is utf-8).
> 
> If your app is managing the files completely on Linux (i.e. it is creating / deleting them and the filenames are not user-editable) then (if this is the caseu) the problem should be fixable by choosing a normalization form when you create / lookup the file - i.e. pass all filenames on the server through `normalizeText(<str>, <form>)` - here you want form to be either "NFC" (composed) or "NFD" (decomposed).
> 
> Warmest Regards,
> 
> Mark.
> 
> P.S. For all the gory details about Unicode normalization forms see - https://unicode.org/reports/tr15/
> 
> -- 
> Mark Waddingham ~ mark at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
> LiveCode: Build Amazing Things
> 
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From mark at livecode.com  Mon Aug 14 07:30:09 2023
From: mark at livecode.com (Mark Waddingham)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2023 12:30:09 +0100
Subject: Linux filenames in LC Server
In-Reply-To: <22FED311-D92C-4C60-BDB2-AB9336209572@m-r-d.de>
References: <E5AA10DB-86D7-4F58-9975-777FFD510042@optusnet.com.au>
 <e6cfaea8845d1fb8043e364cb2dd1e67@livecode.com>
 <22FED311-D92C-4C60-BDB2-AB9336209572@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <451d838117d6857f9af371ba2a213583@livecode.com>

On 2023-08-14 12:12, matthias rebbe via use-livecode wrote:
> Hi Mark,
> 
> when i read Neville's post i thought also about normalize, although i 
> really do not have a clue about the whole unicode stuff, but i 
> remembered that the standalone builder make use of the normalize 
> function. ;)
> 
> So i used this script on LC Server to write the seconds to a file 
> containing an a-umlaut in its name.
> 
> put  normalizeText("test.txt", "NFC") into tFile
> put the seconds into URL ("binfile:"&tFile)
> put the result
> put "<br><br>"
> put the files
> put "<br><br>"
> put tFile
> 
> But that does not work. "The result" returns 'can't open file'.

Hmmm - I must confess that I misread Neville's post - he did explicitly 
mention 'creating' files... The normalization would only arise if the 
file already existed, but the requested (incoming) filename was 
normalized differently (thus resulting in the file not being found).

So assuming that the defaultFolder is accessible in your above script 
(as a read-only folder would also cause the same error) then there does 
appear to be something up here...

Warmest Regards,

Mark.

-- 
Mark Waddingham ~ mark at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
LiveCode: Build Amazing Things


From mark at livecode.com  Mon Aug 14 07:50:31 2023
From: mark at livecode.com (Mark Waddingham)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2023 12:50:31 +0100
Subject: Linux filenames in LC Server
In-Reply-To: <451d838117d6857f9af371ba2a213583@livecode.com>
References: <E5AA10DB-86D7-4F58-9975-777FFD510042@optusnet.com.au>
 <e6cfaea8845d1fb8043e364cb2dd1e67@livecode.com>
 <22FED311-D92C-4C60-BDB2-AB9336209572@m-r-d.de>
 <451d838117d6857f9af371ba2a213583@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <681007f43f924ec513c60f842fbd84bd@livecode.com>

On 2023-08-14 12:30, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode wrote:
> So assuming that the defaultFolder is accessible in your above script 
> (as a read-only folder would also cause the same error) then there does 
> appear to be something up here...

Okay so I'm pretty sure the linux server engine is doing the right 
thing.

As mentioned previously, Linux filesystems don't actually care what the 
encoding of a filename is - to linux its just a sequence of bytes

The interpretation is given by the 'locale' settings which are in effect 
for any given program.

So, when you run lc-server from a terminal session directly, its almost 
certainly the case that the LC_ALL and LANG environment variables are 
set to en_US.UTF-8 (or some other language code DOT UTF-8 - it is the 
UTF-8 which is the important bit).

On Linux, a C API nl_langinfo() is used to fetch the encoding to use 
when talking to the system APIs (e.g. filesystem APIs) - this (I 
believe) derives its information from LANG/LC_ALL.

If the latter *are not set* then it will likely default to the 'C' 
locale which has no interpretation of any non-ascii chars, and thus 
attempts to encode/decode utf-8 encoded filenames will fail.

My theory is that these variables are not set in the configuration for 
running CGIs in Apache (or whatever web server is being used in this 
instance).

Digging around it looks like Apache (at least) has a `SetEnv` directive 
which would allow these environment variables to be set, e.g.

   SetEnv LC_ALL en_US.UTF-8
   SetEnv LANG en_US.UTF-8

Although I'm not 100% sure where such things go, perhaps someone more 
conversant with apache config could chime in to suggest.

Warmest Regards,

Mark.

-- 
Mark Waddingham ~ mark at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
LiveCode: Build Amazing Things


From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Mon Aug 14 07:53:27 2023
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2023 13:53:27 +0200
Subject: Linux filenames in LC Server
In-Reply-To: <451d838117d6857f9af371ba2a213583@livecode.com>
References: <E5AA10DB-86D7-4F58-9975-777FFD510042@optusnet.com.au>
 <e6cfaea8845d1fb8043e364cb2dd1e67@livecode.com>
 <22FED311-D92C-4C60-BDB2-AB9336209572@m-r-d.de>
 <451d838117d6857f9af371ba2a213583@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <DFAFEAC2-0880-4703-AF4A-1A72AEB02A36@m-r-d.de>

see below...


> Am 14.08.2023 um 13:30 schrieb Mark Waddingham via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> On 2023-08-14 12:12, matthias rebbe via use-livecode wrote:
>> Hi Mark,
>> when i read Neville's post i thought also about normalize, although i really do not have a clue about the whole unicode stuff, but i remembered that the standalone builder make use of the normalize function. ;)
>> So i used this script on LC Server to write the seconds to a file containing an a-umlaut in its name.
>> put  normalizeText("testä.txt", "NFC") into tFile
>> put the seconds into URL ("binfile:"&tFile)
>> put the result
>> put "<br><br>"
>> put the files
>> put "<br><br>"
>> put tFile
>> But that does not work. "The result" returns 'can't open file'.
> 
> Hmmm - I must confess that I misread Neville's post - he did explicitly mention 'creating' files... The normalization would only arise if the file already existed, but the requested (incoming) filename was normalized differently (thus resulting in the file not being found).
> 
> So assuming that the defaultFolder is accessible in your above script (as a read-only folder would also cause the same error) then there does appear to be something up here...
> 

The default folder is accessible. The same script works when the ä is removed  from the line
put  normalizeText("testä.txt", "NFC") into tFile



> Warmest Regards,
> 
> Mark.
> 
> -- 
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> LiveCode: Build Amazing Things
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From dsc at swcp.com  Mon Aug 14 20:07:27 2023
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2023 18:07:27 -0600
Subject: JSON
Message-ID: <6D0C53CB-4658-4911-96DE-370B5BA6E3EB@swcp.com>


I’m about write some scripts that fiddle with JSON. I have some old stacks of mine about someplace. But, I got to thinking there might be something faster about someplace. Ideas?

Dar

From andrew at midwestcoastmedia.com  Mon Aug 14 23:29:01 2023
From: andrew at midwestcoastmedia.com (Andrew at MidWest Coast Media)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2023 23:29:01 -0400
Subject: iOS media player
Message-ID: <A7A06684-AA9B-475D-A3D1-14B8FDB4DA82@midwestcoastmedia.com>

I have a project that needs updating but mobile media controls have completely changed since I last worked on this app. Seems now that the mobile player for iOS is a completely transparent rectangle until the user taps on it when 3 controls appear (rewind 10, play/pause, fast forward 10).

Is there any way to make this overlay appear automatically? Once it appears it persists even after updating the media file. It feels like I’m going to have to create a skin (WinAMP flashbacks) for the media player that used to have standard timeline & playback UI from the OS.

The logical command (in my head at least) was 
	mobileControlSet "audioPlayer", "showController", TRUE
but that acts more like a visibility command rather than calling up the controls. 

Here is a video showing the player object with a blueBackground and the controls appearing only after tapping on the mobile player: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/q84nccwrqcct8jsmgwvs0/iOS_player.mp4?rlkey=mhqcuz96z9a88ztldweacdsco&dl=0 <https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/q84nccwrqcct8jsmgwvs0/iOS_player.mp4?rlkey=mhqcuz96z9a88ztldweacdsco&dl=0> 

Curious how others have handled this change.

—Andrew Bell

From tore.nilsen at me.com  Tue Aug 15 00:58:15 2023
From: tore.nilsen at me.com (Tore Nilsen)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2023 06:58:15 +0200
Subject: JSON
In-Reply-To: <6D0C53CB-4658-4911-96DE-370B5BA6E3EB@swcp.com>
References: <6D0C53CB-4658-4911-96DE-370B5BA6E3EB@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <BDDB5B6F-5179-42D6-96DF-3006D7E0BB7C@me.com>

JsonImport will make an array of your JSON data, whereas JsonExport will turn your array into JSON data. Not much fiddling there.

Best regards
Tore Nilsen

> 15. aug. 2023 kl. 02:07 skrev Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> 
> I’m about write some scripts that fiddle with JSON. I have some old stacks of mine about someplace. But, I got to thinking there might be something faster about someplace. Ideas?
> 
> Dar
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Aug 15 01:16:48 2023
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2023 08:16:48 +0300
Subject: JSON
In-Reply-To: <BDDB5B6F-5179-42D6-96DF-3006D7E0BB7C@me.com>
References: <6D0C53CB-4658-4911-96DE-370B5BA6E3EB@swcp.com>
 <BDDB5B6F-5179-42D6-96DF-3006D7E0BB7C@me.com>
Message-ID: <CAL3fwtj0exDZ6B2Yt384_G74e_mbmiK8sXTd+5Ma+RddG7-SkA@mail.gmail.com>

This has recently been explored across on the forums where I managed to
expose my full level of ignorance on the subject.

Best, Richmond.

On Tue, 15 Aug 2023, 07:59 Tore Nilsen via use-livecode, <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> JsonImport will make an array of your JSON data, whereas JsonExport will
> turn your array into JSON data. Not much fiddling there.
>
> Best regards
> Tore Nilsen
>
> > 15. aug. 2023 kl. 02:07 skrev Dar Scott via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> >
> >
> > I’m about write some scripts that fiddle with JSON. I have some old
> stacks of mine about someplace. But, I got to thinking there might be
> something faster about someplace. Ideas?
> >
> > Dar
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From neville.smythe at optusnet.com.au  Tue Aug 15 03:42:45 2023
From: neville.smythe at optusnet.com.au (Neville Smythe)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2023 17:42:45 +1000
Subject: Linux filenames in LC Server
Message-ID: <E66AFF8F-D41D-4524-99DD-B31DA0B737B3@optusnet.com.au>

Thanks Mark and Matthias

I think it is clear the problem is not related to variant forms - if I replace [e-acute] by any other non-ascii character, such as a Kanji character or emoji, I get the same “can’t open that file” error. And the weird decoding of [e-acute] to [E-grave] would be explained if textDecode is failing in LC Server.

So if I understand Mark correctly, while one can create utf-8 encoded filenames directly in a terminal session,  LC Server internally accesses Apache environment variables to encode/decode the filename before opening a file rather than directly using the shell. Presumably this has something to do with the engine being a server app having to respect the server environment.  

On Dreamhost, as far as I can determine, the LANG and LC-ALL variables are *not* set (though WordPress is running and it adds support for a swathe of languages, so surely has support for non-ascii filenames?) The site is a shared hosting, so I do not have permissions to change the Apache conf files. I tried adding the SetEnv commands in the .htaccess file but that didn’t work, although I could well be doing it wrong, I am fumbling around in the dark here.

Unless there is some way to fix the configuration, it would seem that not only will opening files fail but the detailed files (the long files) command will also fail if non-ascii characters are encountered since it uses textEncode. I presume that using shell commands could be used as a workaround for accessing the filesystem, as long as LC doesn’t do an internal textEncode as it passes the variables to the shell! 

However it also means one cannot use textDecode/Encode at all, not just for the filenames but also content; and that could be a bummer. I haven’t encountered this so far because to this point I have encoded content before uploading binary files to the server, but I can envision situations where I would want to encode or decode server-side.

I’m puzzled that this problem hasn’t been raised before. Surely the vast majority of website host providers use Linux servers, and the Dreamhost configuration for shared hosting is most likely standard. So has no-one in Europe (or Asia..) using LC Server wanted to create native-language filenames? I think LC Server is a magnificent tool, but perhaps it is not as widely used as it deserves! Or: they all found the fix and haven’t told us.

> So, when you run lc-server from a terminal session directly, its almost 
> certainly the case that the LC_ALL and LANG environment variables are 
> set to en_US.UTF-8 (or some other language code DOT UTF-8 - it is the 
> UTF-8 which is the important bit).
> 
> On Linux, a C API nl_langinfo() is used to fetch the encoding to use 
> when talking to the system APIs (e.g. filesystem APIs) - this (I 
> believe) derives its information from LANG/LC_ALL.
> 
> If the latter *are not set* then it will likely default to the 'C' 
> locale which has no interpretation of any non-ascii chars, and thus 
> attempts to encode/decode utf-8 encoded filenames will fail.
> 
> My theory is that these variables are not set in the configuration for 
> running CGIs in Apache (or whatever web server is being used in this 
> instance).
> 
> Digging around it looks like Apache (at least) has a `SetEnv` directive 
> which would allow these environment variables to be set, e.g.
> 
>   SetEnv LC_ALL en_US.UTF-8
>   SetEnv LANG en_US.UTF-8
> 
> Although I'm not 100% sure where such things go, perhaps someone more 
> conversant with apache config could chime in to suggest.
Neville Smythe





From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Tue Aug 15 04:06:51 2023
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2023 10:06:51 +0200
Subject: Linux filenames in LC Server
In-Reply-To: <E66AFF8F-D41D-4524-99DD-B31DA0B737B3@optusnet.com.au>
References: <E66AFF8F-D41D-4524-99DD-B31DA0B737B3@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <4A5C44CF-2B54-44D7-9F9D-C69B0651C319@m-r-d.de>

What definitely works, at least here,  is to urlencode the filename before creating it
So that e.g. testä would be created as test%E4
As urlencode does not "harm" you could use it in general, not only for non-ascii file names. 
And if you want to display the "real" name you just have to urldecode the filename again.





> Am 15.08.2023 um 09:42 schrieb Neville Smythe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Thanks Mark and Matthias
> 
> I think it is clear the problem is not related to variant forms - if I replace [e-acute] by any other non-ascii character, such as a Kanji character or emoji, I get the same “can’t open that file” error. And the weird decoding of [e-acute] to [E-grave] would be explained if textDecode is failing in LC Server.
> 
> So if I understand Mark correctly, while one can create utf-8 encoded filenames directly in a terminal session,  LC Server internally accesses Apache environment variables to encode/decode the filename before opening a file rather than directly using the shell. Presumably this has something to do with the engine being a server app having to respect the server environment.  
> 
> On Dreamhost, as far as I can determine, the LANG and LC-ALL variables are *not* set (though WordPress is running and it adds support for a swathe of languages, so surely has support for non-ascii filenames?) The site is a shared hosting, so I do not have permissions to change the Apache conf files. I tried adding the SetEnv commands in the .htaccess file but that didn’t work, although I could well be doing it wrong, I am fumbling around in the dark here.
> 
> Unless there is some way to fix the configuration, it would seem that not only will opening files fail but the detailed files (the long files) command will also fail if non-ascii characters are encountered since it uses textEncode. I presume that using shell commands could be used as a workaround for accessing the filesystem, as long as LC doesn’t do an internal textEncode as it passes the variables to the shell! 
> 
> However it also means one cannot use textDecode/Encode at all, not just for the filenames but also content; and that could be a bummer. I haven’t encountered this so far because to this point I have encoded content before uploading binary files to the server, but I can envision situations where I would want to encode or decode server-side.
> 
> I’m puzzled that this problem hasn’t been raised before. Surely the vast majority of website host providers use Linux servers, and the Dreamhost configuration for shared hosting is most likely standard. So has no-one in Europe (or Asia..) using LC Server wanted to create native-language filenames? I think LC Server is a magnificent tool, but perhaps it is not as widely used as it deserves! Or: they all found the fix and haven’t told us.
> 
>> So, when you run lc-server from a terminal session directly, its almost 
>> certainly the case that the LC_ALL and LANG environment variables are 
>> set to en_US.UTF-8 (or some other language code DOT UTF-8 - it is the 
>> UTF-8 which is the important bit).
>> 
>> On Linux, a C API nl_langinfo() is used to fetch the encoding to use 
>> when talking to the system APIs (e.g. filesystem APIs) - this (I 
>> believe) derives its information from LANG/LC_ALL.
>> 
>> If the latter *are not set* then it will likely default to the 'C' 
>> locale which has no interpretation of any non-ascii chars, and thus 
>> attempts to encode/decode utf-8 encoded filenames will fail.
>> 
>> My theory is that these variables are not set in the configuration for 
>> running CGIs in Apache (or whatever web server is being used in this 
>> instance).
>> 
>> Digging around it looks like Apache (at least) has a `SetEnv` directive 
>> which would allow these environment variables to be set, e.g.
>> 
>>  SetEnv LC_ALL en_US.UTF-8
>>  SetEnv LANG en_US.UTF-8
>> 
>> Although I'm not 100% sure where such things go, perhaps someone more 
>> conversant with apache config could chime in to suggest.
> Neville Smythe
> 
> 
> 
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From merakosp at gmail.com  Tue Aug 15 04:31:37 2023
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis m)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2023 11:31:37 +0300
Subject: Oddities with iOS IAP
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR12MB2709E835086A8746A977C2FAB917A@BYAPR12MB2709.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
References: <E5AA10DB-86D7-4F58-9975-777FFD510042@optusnet.com.au>
 <BYAPR12MB2709E835086A8746A977C2FAB917A@BYAPR12MB2709.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq-iKB_pNpzkkn0jEJUwKheSLTfBupW0Co+AEqQivve+HQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Dan,

Could you share the code that makes the purchase, as well as the
purchaseStateUpdate message?

Although, my guess is that this is rather a TestFlight issue, since if it
was an issue in LC's API for in-app purchase on iOS, it would have been
reported
ready.

Kind regards,
Panos
--

From mark at livecode.com  Tue Aug 15 04:44:15 2023
From: mark at livecode.com (Mark Waddingham)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2023 09:44:15 +0100
Subject: Linux filenames in LC Server
In-Reply-To: <E66AFF8F-D41D-4524-99DD-B31DA0B737B3@optusnet.com.au>
References: <E66AFF8F-D41D-4524-99DD-B31DA0B737B3@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <4feb08be2f5d097077b387d0d4709c55@livecode.com>

On 2023-08-15 08:42, Neville Smythe via use-livecode wrote:
> So if I understand Mark correctly, while one can create utf-8 encoded 
> filenames directly in a terminal
> session,  LC Server internally accesses Apache environment variables to 
> encode/decode the filename
> before opening a file rather than directly using the shell. Presumably 
> this has something to do with
> the engine being a server app having to respect the server environment.

So what is actually happening here is that there is a notion of a 
'SysString' in the engine. A 'SysString' is a string represented as a 
sequence of bytes in whatever encoding the host platform understands in 
its APIs. The engine converts its internal string representation to a 
sys string whenever it accesses a system API - e.g. for opening files.

In the case of Linux what encoding such 'sys strings' need to use 
depends on the environment - the encoding *could* be anything and thus 
the engine uses the UNIX 'iconv' library to convert from internal 
representation to the encoded bytes needed. I think this is what is 
causing the failure of the file APIs - iconv is refusing to convert a 
string with non-ascii characters to the 'default' 'C' locale as it can't 
(there is no mapping from, say, e-acute to ascii).

I should point out that textEncode/Decode do not use system APIs - the 
conversions between UTF* forms and 'native' are all built into the 
engine - so that part is fine - its the low-level connection between 
commands like 'open file' and calling the UNIX open API which is 
throwing an error on file name conversion.

> On Dreamhost, as far as I can determine, the LANG and LC-ALL variables 
> are *not* set (though WordPress
> is running and it adds support for a swathe of languages, so surely has 
> support for non-ascii filenames?)
> The site is a shared hosting, so I do not have permissions to change 
> the Apache conf files. I tried adding
> the SetEnv commands in the .htaccess file but that didnt work, 
> although I could well be doing it wrong,
> I am fumbling around in the dark here.

The only thing I've found so far is SetEnv which does look like it can 
only be configured in the host config for a domain which is slightly 
irksome. However, there is a way to launch the CGI engine with any vars 
needed.

I'm not sure how Dreamhost sets things up - indeed it might be worth 
asking their support if there is a way to configure environment 
variables which are passed through to CGI executables.

If there isn't then it can be done with a launcher script:

```
#!/bin/sh
export LC_ALL="en_US.UTF8"
export LANG="en_US.UTF8"
exec livecode-server
```

This would be a text file which has been made executable - and needs to 
be configured as the executable which is launched when a livecode server 
script is launched (livecode-server in the above needs to be the 
location of the livecode-server executable in the hosting setup).

I know others here use (or have used) Dreamhost in the past - so they 
might know more about how the above could be configured (although, 
again, Dreamhost support can probably help).


> Unless there is some way to fix the configuration, it would seem that 
> not only will opening files
> fail but the detailed files (the long files) command will also fail if 
> non-ascii characters are
> encountered since it uses textEncode. I presume that using shell 
> commands could be used as a workaround
> for accessing the filesystem, as long as LC doesnt do an internal 
> textEncode as it passes the
> variables to the shell!
> However it also means one cannot use textDecode/Encode at all, not just 
> for the filenames but also
> content; and that could be a bummer. I havent encountered this so far 
> because to this point I have
> encoded content before uploading binary files to the server, but I can 
> envision situations where I
> would want to encode or decode server-side.

The problem isn't with textEncode/Decode - they work fine as mentioned 
above - its just the engine doesn't have the necessary information (due 
to lack of env vars) to know how to interpret/create the filenames the 
system APIs need.

> Im puzzled that this problem hasnt been raised before. Surely the 
> vast majority of website host
> providers use Linux servers, and the Dreamhost configuration for shared 
> hosting is most likely
> standard. So has no-one in Europe (or Asia..) using LC Server wanted to 
> create native-language
> filenames? I think LC Server is a magnificent tool, but perhaps it is 
> not as widely used as it
> deserves! Or: they all found the fix and havent told us.

This is almost certainly a server setup/config thing - I guess apache 
(by default) runs CGIs in the most 'raw' environment possible by 
default.

The observation about Wordpress is interesting - certainly before PHP 
was 'unicodified' - the encoding of filenames was up to the script - 
i.e. you had to to encode/decode filenames appropriately yourself and I 
guess utf-8 was just assumed. With PHP7 I believe it handles unicode 
transparently a bit like LC does, so I'll see if I can see what PHP7+ 
uses to determine the system encoding. Indeed, it might do no harm at 
all to just assume UTF-8 encoding for Linux in the engine if the locale 
vars are not set (which appears to be the case here) which would resolve 
the problem transparently.

Warmest Regards,

Mark.

-- 
Mark Waddingham ~ mark at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
LiveCode: Build Amazing Things


From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Tue Aug 15 07:08:06 2023
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2023 12:08:06 +0100
Subject: Browser widget: "Navigation request cancelled"
Message-ID: <706baeb4-f0f0-5fd3-9358-d0e3181ad045@cogapp.com>

Trying to use the browser widget to access an internal site, I'm having a lot 
of trouble.

If I send it (by setting the URL property of the widget) to the root of the 
hostname, it loads the page succesfully, although the widget gets a 
browserDocumentLoadFailed message "navigation request cancelled".

If I set the URL property to some pages within the site, they load succesfully 
without that message.

If I set the URL property to some other pages, they do not load, and that 
message is received.

It's completely consistent which URLs work, and which don't.

If I send the widget to a URL which works, I can navigate anywhere within the 
site without problems, including to the URLs which don't work using set.

I haven't managed to pin down what distinguishes the working URLs from 
non-working. All the non-working ones I've found involve query parameters; but 
some of the working ones do also.

My question is: how can I debug this issue? Are there any ways to get insight 
into the loading process?

I am catching and reporting these messages:
	browserDocumentLoadFailed
	browserDocumentLoadComplete
	browserNavigateFailed
	browserNavigateComplete
	browserUnhandledLoadRequest

... but the only ones that trigger are either browserDocumentLoadFailed or 
browserUnhandledLoadRequest, or browserDocumentLoadComplete - always with the 
parameter being the requested URL. I'm guessing, though I might be wrong, that 
the issue is actually with one of the elements being requested by the 
document, but this is never in the parameter.

Additionally, browserProgressChanged never seems to be sent.

Is it possible to get any more detail about what's going on?

TIA,

Ben


From mark at livecode.com  Tue Aug 15 07:17:36 2023
From: mark at livecode.com (Mark Waddingham)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2023 12:17:36 +0100
Subject: Browser widget: "Navigation request cancelled"
In-Reply-To: <706baeb4-f0f0-5fd3-9358-d0e3181ad045@cogapp.com>
References: <706baeb4-f0f0-5fd3-9358-d0e3181ad045@cogapp.com>
Message-ID: <beaddd5da9787544b959cdc5b40b0546@livecode.com>

On 2023-08-15 12:08, Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode wrote:
> Is it possible to get any more detail about what's going on?

I'm guessing you are using 10-dp-5 :)

The issues here are regressions caused by the switch to WKWebView in 10 
(previously we used the older WebView system web browser API):

The missing progressChanged messages issue is 
https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=24271

The missing other messages issue is 
https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=24247

The latter is related to server vs local redirects in the web page.

Both should be fixed in the upcoming 10-dp-6.

Warmest Regards,

Mark.

-- 
Mark Waddingham ~ mark at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
LiveCode: Build Amazing Things


From dsc at swcp.com  Tue Aug 15 09:46:43 2023
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2023 07:46:43 -0600
Subject: JSON
In-Reply-To: <BDDB5B6F-5179-42D6-96DF-3006D7E0BB7C@me.com>
References: <6D0C53CB-4658-4911-96DE-370B5BA6E3EB@swcp.com>
 <BDDB5B6F-5179-42D6-96DF-3006D7E0BB7C@me.com>
Message-ID: <9C25DFE8-3B1D-4BD1-916F-9CD012283140@swcp.com>

Thanks, Tore!

I found these in the dictionary. For JsonImport I noted this:

The return value may be any of the following types, depending on the content of the file:

Array (for a JSON object)
List (for a JSON array)
String (for a JSON string)
Number (for any JSON number)
Boolean (for JSON true or false)
nothing (for JSON null)
How would an array of objects be translated? What is nothing?

Dar


> On Aug 14, 2023, at 10:58 PM, Tore Nilsen via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> JsonImport will make an array of your JSON data, whereas JsonExport will turn your array into JSON data. Not much fiddling there.
> 
> Best regards
> Tore Nilsen
> 
>> 15. aug. 2023 kl. 02:07 skrev Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>> 
>> 
>> I’m about write some scripts that fiddle with JSON. I have some old stacks of mine about someplace. But, I got to thinking there might be something faster about someplace. Ideas?
>> 
>> Dar
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From tore.nilsen at me.com  Tue Aug 15 10:03:13 2023
From: tore.nilsen at me.com (Tore Nilsen)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2023 16:03:13 +0200
Subject: JSON
In-Reply-To: <9C25DFE8-3B1D-4BD1-916F-9CD012283140@swcp.com>
References: <6D0C53CB-4658-4911-96DE-370B5BA6E3EB@swcp.com>
 <BDDB5B6F-5179-42D6-96DF-3006D7E0BB7C@me.com>
 <9C25DFE8-3B1D-4BD1-916F-9CD012283140@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <15D33484-F79F-43EB-9F2B-38C01F74DABB@me.com>

An array of object would be turned into a multidimensional  array with value pairs in LiveCode. Depending on the source the main keys may be numeric or assosiative, like in these examples:

contriesArray[1][name]
contriesArray[1][capitol]
contriesArray[1][inhabitants]

Or 

contriesArray[«Norway"][capitol]
contriesArray[«Norway»][inhabitants]

Tore


> 15. aug. 2023 kl. 15:46 skrev Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Thanks, Tore!
> 
> I found these in the dictionary. For JsonImport I noted this:
> 
> The return value may be any of the following types, depending on the content of the file:
> 
> Array (for a JSON object)
> List (for a JSON array)
> String (for a JSON string)
> Number (for any JSON number)
> Boolean (for JSON true or false)
> nothing (for JSON null)
> How would an array of objects be translated? What is nothing?
> 
> Dar
> 
> 
>> On Aug 14, 2023, at 10:58 PM, Tore Nilsen via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> JsonImport will make an array of your JSON data, whereas JsonExport will turn your array into JSON data. Not much fiddling there.
>> 
>> Best regards
>> Tore Nilsen
>> 
>>> 15. aug. 2023 kl. 02:07 skrev Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I’m about write some scripts that fiddle with JSON. I have some old stacks of mine about someplace. But, I got to thinking there might be something faster about someplace. Ideas?
>>> 
>>> Dar
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From dan at clearvisiontech.com  Tue Aug 15 10:48:01 2023
From: dan at clearvisiontech.com (Dan Friedman)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2023 14:48:01 +0000
Subject: Oddities with iOS IAP
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq-iKB_pNpzkkn0jEJUwKheSLTfBupW0Co+AEqQivve+HQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E5AA10DB-86D7-4F58-9975-777FFD510042@optusnet.com.au>
 <BYAPR12MB2709E835086A8746A977C2FAB917A@BYAPR12MB2709.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
 <CA+JfEq-iKB_pNpzkkn0jEJUwKheSLTfBupW0Co+AEqQivve+HQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BYAPR12MB2709BA4141291AD00FF37263B914A@BYAPR12MB2709.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>

Panos,

Thank you for the reply.   Here is my code…. You click a button, and it calls startInAppPurchase with the number of credits to purchase.  After all is done, pLog is completely empty.  This is working perfectly on Android.

on startInAppPurchase numCredits
  //setup purchase id
  if numCredits = 1 then
    put 1001 into productID
    put "$0.99" into productAmount
  else if numCredits = 2 then
    put 1002 into productID
    put "$1.99" into productAmount
  else if numCredits = 3 then
    put 1003 into productID
    put "$2.99" into productAmount
  else if numCredits = 11 then
    put 1011 into productID
    put "$9.99" into productAmount
  end if

  //confirm with user
  if numCredits = 1 then
    put "Are you sure you want to purchase 1 credit for" && productAmount & "?" into pString
  else
    put "Are you sure you want to purchase" && numCredits && "credits for" && productAmount & "?" into pString
  end if
  if myAnswer(pString,"Cancel|Buy Now","Purchase Confirmation","|appBlue") = "Cancel" then // <-- custom answer dialog
    exit startInAppPurchase
  end if

  //initiate the purchase
  mobileStoreEnablePurchaseUpdates
  mobileStoreSetProductType productID,"inapp"
  mobileStoreMakePurchase productID,"1","testPayload - Android Only"
end startInAppPurchase

on purchaseStateUpdate pPurchaseID,pProductID,pState
  global user
  global pLog

  put pState & cr after pLog

  switch pState
    case "paymentReceived" //2,1001,paymentReceived
      //tell our server is was successful and log users credits to database
      if isIPhone() then
        put mobileStoreProductProperty(pProductID,"transactionIdentifier") into tIdentifier
        get db_verifyPurchase(pProductID,tIdentifier)
      else
        //android handled in case "complete"
      end if

      mobileStoreConfirmPurchase pProductID //Inform the store that the purchase identifier productID was successfully delivered
      mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
      loadMeUp //refresh our display
      break
    case "error"
      answer "Error occured during purchase handling:" & return & return & mobileStorePurchaseError(pPurchaseID)
      mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
      break
    case "invalidSKU"
      answer "Invalid SKU."
      mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
      break
    case "alreadyEntitled"
      answer "Already Owned."
      mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
      break
    case "restored"
      answer "restored"
      offerPurchasedProduct pProductID
      mobileStoreConfirmPurchase pProductID
      mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
      loadMeUp
      break
    case "canceled"
    case "cancelled"
      answer "Purchase Cancelled:" && pProductID
      mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
      break
    case "complete"
      if isAndroid() then
        put mobileStoreProductProperty(pProductID,"orderId") into orderId
        mobileStoreConsumePurchase pProductID
        get db_verifyPurchase(pProductID,orderId)
      end if

      mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
      break
  end switch
end purchaseStateUpdate


Thank you!
-Dan


From: use-livecode <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com> on behalf of panagiotis m via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Date: Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 1:33 AM
To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Cc: panagiotis m <merakosp at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Oddities with iOS IAP
Hello Dan,

Could you share the code that makes the purchase, as well as the
purchaseStateUpdate message?

Although, my guess is that this is rather a TestFlight issue, since if it
was an issue in LC's API for in-app purchase on iOS, it would have been
reported
ready.

Kind regards,
Panos
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From merakosp at gmail.com  Tue Aug 15 13:22:34 2023
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis m)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2023 20:22:34 +0300
Subject: Oddities with iOS IAP
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR12MB2709BA4141291AD00FF37263B914A@BYAPR12MB2709.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
References: <E5AA10DB-86D7-4F58-9975-777FFD510042@optusnet.com.au>
 <BYAPR12MB2709E835086A8746A977C2FAB917A@BYAPR12MB2709.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
 <CA+JfEq-iKB_pNpzkkn0jEJUwKheSLTfBupW0Co+AEqQivve+HQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <BYAPR12MB2709BA4141291AD00FF37263B914A@BYAPR12MB2709.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq8zAiWRyV9zhTP8hC2-GAZXDiEZk+gb4pekg_6GtHm-9A@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Dan,

Just a rough guess, in the purchaseStateUpdate msg, you have:

 mobileStoreConfirmPurchase pProductID //Inform the store that the purchase
identifier productID was successfully delivered
 mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates

in both cases for paymentReceived and restored.

Could you try commenting out the mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates in these
2 cases? Once you call mobileStoreConfirmPurchase, it informs the store
that the purchase was successful, and then the store sends another
"purchaseStateUpdate" with state=complete.

But if you call mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates just after
mobileStoreConfirmPurchase then this stops the communication with the
store. I suggest having mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates just in the
"complete" case and remove it from "paymentReceived" and "restored".

Note that on Android (if I remember correctly)
mobileStoreEnablePurchaseUpdates/mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates do not
actually do something - but they are added for consistency.

If you do this change, and still see the delay, then it is likely a
TestFlight/Sandbox issue. Note that Apple's sandbox servers are slower than
the actual ones used by StoreKit.
(e.g.
https://community.revenuecat.com/sdks-51/testflight-clicking-subscriptions-or-iaps-has-long-delay-2687
)

kind regards,
Panos
--


On Tue, 15 Aug 2023 at 17:49, Dan Friedman via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Panos,
>
> Thank you for the reply.   Here is my code…. You click a button, and it
> calls startInAppPurchase with the number of credits to purchase.  After all
> is done, pLog is completely empty.  This is working perfectly on Android.
>
> on startInAppPurchase numCredits
>   //setup purchase id
>   if numCredits = 1 then
>     put 1001 into productID
>     put "$0.99" into productAmount
>   else if numCredits = 2 then
>     put 1002 into productID
>     put "$1.99" into productAmount
>   else if numCredits = 3 then
>     put 1003 into productID
>     put "$2.99" into productAmount
>   else if numCredits = 11 then
>     put 1011 into productID
>     put "$9.99" into productAmount
>   end if
>
>   //confirm with user
>   if numCredits = 1 then
>     put "Are you sure you want to purchase 1 credit for" && productAmount
> & "?" into pString
>   else
>     put "Are you sure you want to purchase" && numCredits && "credits for"
> && productAmount & "?" into pString
>   end if
>   if myAnswer(pString,"Cancel|Buy Now","Purchase Confirmation","|appBlue")
> = "Cancel" then // <-- custom answer dialog
>     exit startInAppPurchase
>   end if
>
>   //initiate the purchase
>   mobileStoreEnablePurchaseUpdates
>   mobileStoreSetProductType productID,"inapp"
>   mobileStoreMakePurchase productID,"1","testPayload - Android Only"
> end startInAppPurchase
>
> on purchaseStateUpdate pPurchaseID,pProductID,pState
>   global user
>   global pLog
>
>   put pState & cr after pLog
>
>   switch pState
>     case "paymentReceived" //2,1001,paymentReceived
>       //tell our server is was successful and log users credits to database
>       if isIPhone() then
>         put mobileStoreProductProperty(pProductID,"transactionIdentifier")
> into tIdentifier
>         get db_verifyPurchase(pProductID,tIdentifier)
>       else
>         //android handled in case "complete"
>       end if
>
>       mobileStoreConfirmPurchase pProductID //Inform the store that the
> purchase identifier productID was successfully delivered
>       mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
>       loadMeUp //refresh our display
>       break
>     case "error"
>       answer "Error occured during purchase handling:" & return & return &
> mobileStorePurchaseError(pPurchaseID)
>       mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
>       break
>     case "invalidSKU"
>       answer "Invalid SKU."
>       mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
>       break
>     case "alreadyEntitled"
>       answer "Already Owned."
>       mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
>       break
>     case "restored"
>       answer "restored"
>       offerPurchasedProduct pProductID
>       mobileStoreConfirmPurchase pProductID
>       mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
>       loadMeUp
>       break
>     case "canceled"
>     case "cancelled"
>       answer "Purchase Cancelled:" && pProductID
>       mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
>       break
>     case "complete"
>       if isAndroid() then
>         put mobileStoreProductProperty(pProductID,"orderId") into orderId
>         mobileStoreConsumePurchase pProductID
>         get db_verifyPurchase(pProductID,orderId)
>       end if
>
>       mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
>       break
>   end switch
> end purchaseStateUpdate
>
>
> Thank you!
> -Dan
>
>
> From: use-livecode <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com> on behalf of
> panagiotis m via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Date: Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 1:33 AM
> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Cc: panagiotis m <merakosp at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Oddities with iOS IAP
> Hello Dan,
>
> Could you share the code that makes the purchase, as well as the
> purchaseStateUpdate message?
>
> Although, my guess is that this is rather a TestFlight issue, since if it
> was an issue in LC's API for in-app purchase on iOS, it would have been
> reported
> ready.
>
> Kind regards,
> Panos
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From dan at clearvisiontech.com  Tue Aug 15 18:22:36 2023
From: dan at clearvisiontech.com (Dan Friedman)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2023 22:22:36 +0000
Subject: Oddities with iOS IAP
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq8zAiWRyV9zhTP8hC2-GAZXDiEZk+gb4pekg_6GtHm-9A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E5AA10DB-86D7-4F58-9975-777FFD510042@optusnet.com.au>
 <BYAPR12MB2709E835086A8746A977C2FAB917A@BYAPR12MB2709.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
 <CA+JfEq-iKB_pNpzkkn0jEJUwKheSLTfBupW0Co+AEqQivve+HQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <BYAPR12MB2709BA4141291AD00FF37263B914A@BYAPR12MB2709.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
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Panos,

Ok… seems to be working now.   I’m no longer getting “completed”, but I am consistently getting “paymentRecieved”… and I can make that work.   Obviously, I don’t really understand how this all works… but it’s working!

Thank you again for your help!
-Dan


From: use-livecode <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com> on behalf of panagiotis m via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Date: Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 10:24 AM
To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Cc: panagiotis m <merakosp at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Oddities with iOS IAP
Hello Dan,

Just a rough guess, in the purchaseStateUpdate msg, you have:

 mobileStoreConfirmPurchase pProductID //Inform the store that the purchase
identifier productID was successfully delivered
 mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates

in both cases for paymentReceived and restored.

Could you try commenting out the mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates in these
2 cases? Once you call mobileStoreConfirmPurchase, it informs the store
that the purchase was successful, and then the store sends another
"purchaseStateUpdate" with state=complete.

But if you call mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates just after
mobileStoreConfirmPurchase then this stops the communication with the
store. I suggest having mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates just in the
"complete" case and remove it from "paymentReceived" and "restored".

Note that on Android (if I remember correctly)
mobileStoreEnablePurchaseUpdates/mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates do not
actually do something - but they are added for consistency.

If you do this change, and still see the delay, then it is likely a
TestFlight/Sandbox issue. Note that Apple's sandbox servers are slower than
the actual ones used by StoreKit.
(e.g.
https://community.revenuecat.com/sdks-51/testflight-clicking-subscriptions-or-iaps-has-long-delay-2687
)

kind regards,
Panos

From neville.smythe at optusnet.com.au  Wed Aug 16 01:37:45 2023
From: neville.smythe at optusnet.com.au (Neville Smythe)
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2023 15:37:45 +1000
Subject: Linux filenames in LC Server
Message-ID: <CA5CD531-6DD7-481D-8A50-1294B6E42A68@optusnet.com.au>

Thanks Mark for semi-unfuddling me. It’s good to know that textEncode/Decode is not to blame.

But if I may try everyones' patience a little further

> In the case of Linux what encoding such 'sys strings' need to use 
> depends on the environment - the encoding *could* be anything and thus 
> the engine uses the UNIX 'iconv' library to convert from internal 
> representation to the encoded bytes needed. I think this is what is 
> causing the failure of the file APIs - iconv is refusing to convert a 
> string with non-ascii characters to the 'default' 'C' locale as it can't 
> (there is no mapping from, say, e-acute to ascii).

So I misunderstood, I thought we were talking about Apache environment variables. Indeed the Terminal app reports

LANG=C

as a system env variable. But if this is not specifically a server problem, wouldn’t that mean we could see the same behaviour with LC Desktop on Linux machines running vanilla Ubuntu or Debian (which is what Dreamhost uses)? I haven’t tried this yet, as it is a bit of pain to fire up my Linux emulator machine.

An experiment, which make me wonder if this counts as a configuration problem or an actual bug in LC Server:

 In Terminal I type (actually paste) and execute

 echo “éü😃” > Carré.txt 

    (for Forum users like me who just see ? everywhere, that is [e-acute][u-umlaut][happyface emoji] in the content to be written to a file with [e-acute] in its name)

   This works without problem. The contents of the file are utf-8 encoded, which I didn’t need to specify, but I guess that is what the pasteboard provided. Terminal had no problem creating or finding the file without needing those env settings. Of course it cannot *display* the file name without knowing the encoding, so ls reports the filename as 'Carr'$'\303\251''.txt’ ( readable as an ascii encoding, though not one I have seen before; note the single quotes)

     If I setup the env variables Mark suggests in the Terminal session

export LC_ALL="en_US.UTF8"
export LANG=“en_US.UTF8”

then Terminal is able to display the filename á la française.

      Cyberduck reports this filename correctly using the [e-acute] without having to set encoding knowledge. And I can also create the file using Cyberduck with no problems. So IT knows about/expects/sets up the encoding as needed. I bet other Linux-aware apps would also open or list such files without drama or special configuration.

   However: in LC Server when I call "the long files" for the enclosing folder: crash! (Actually an in-line error reported for this code line). To my mind that qualifies as a bug, even if the source of the crash is the same as for open file.

   On the other hand hopefully setting the environment variables as Mark suggests will fix everything . Mark, could I clarify exactly how that “launcher script” is to be used… I’m guessing the cgi configuration should point to that file to be executed when it wants to open myscript.lc instead of pointing to the livecode-server executable (in which case it might have to have a .cgi suffix rather than .txt), or is it a shell script to be executed by livecode-server?

Neville Smythe





From mark at livecode.com  Wed Aug 16 03:34:23 2023
From: mark at livecode.com (Mark Waddingham)
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2023 08:34:23 +0100
Subject: Linux filenames in LC Server
In-Reply-To: <CA5CD531-6DD7-481D-8A50-1294B6E42A68@optusnet.com.au>
References: <CA5CD531-6DD7-481D-8A50-1294B6E42A68@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <f783bcfc15ac88eab0490269b09c3de8@livecode.com>

On 2023-08-16 06:37, Neville Smythe via use-livecode wrote:
> So I misunderstood, I thought we were talking about Apache environment 
> variables. Indeed the Terminal app reports
> 
> LANG=C
> 
> as a system env variable. But if this is not specifically a server 
> problem, wouldnt
> that mean we could see the same behaviour with LC Desktop on Linux 
> machines running
> vanilla Ubuntu or Debian (which is what Dreamhost uses)? I havent 
> tried this yet,
> as it is a bit of pain to fire up my Linux emulator machine.

So the situation here is similar to that which you get on macOS. If you 
open Terminal, then the (UNIX) environment (variable-wise) which you get 
will be different from that you get when you double-click on an app to 
launch it. In the latter case, the executable is launched via the 
desktop environments 'launcher' process and will inherit the environment 
provided by that. Presumably, as Linux desktops mandate various things 
(like language settings), the locale and environment vars will be set 
appropriately.

> An experiment, which make me wonder if this counts as a configuration 
> problem or an actual bug in LC Server:
> 
>  In Terminal I type (actually paste) and execute
> 
>  echo  > Carr.txt
> 
>     (for Forum users like me who just see ? everywhere, that is 
> [e-acute][u-umlaut][happyface emoji] in the content to be written to a 
> file with [e-acute] in its name)
> 
>    This works without problem. The contents of the file are utf-8 
> encoded, which I didnt
> need to specify, but I guess that is what the pasteboard provided. 
> Terminal had no problem
> creating or finding the file without needing those env settings. Of 
> course it cannot *display*
> the file name without knowing the encoding, so ls reports the filename 
> as 'Carr'$'\303\251''.txt
> ( readable as an ascii encoding, though not one I have seen before; 
> note the single quotes)

I'm guessing here that this is a remote ssh session to your Linux 
server, and you are using macOS Terminal app to run and connect? If that 
is the case then the reason this works is because Terminal on macOS is 
UTF-8 (which is the *only* encoding macOS supports in its UNIX subsystem 
so you don't get the variance problem you do with Linux). This means 
that pasting text from somewhere else will paste the UTF-8 bytes - i.e. 
they will get transmitted over SSH to the remote linux machine.

As filenames are just sequences of bytes on Linux this works fine - 
however when you ask the remote terminal to list the files, it can only 
interpret the ascii chars (as the LANG is C) and thus emits octal 
escapes for the others - here this ix 0xC3 0xA9 which is the utf-8 
encoding of e-acute.

> If I setup the env variables Mark suggests in the Terminal session
> 
> export LC_ALL="en_US.UTF8"
> export LANG=en_US.UTF8
> 
> then Terminal is able to display the filename  la franaise.

So now the remote terminal knows how to interpret the sequences of bytes 
present in the filenames, and thus can emit them appropriately.

> Cyberduck reports this filename correctly using the [e-acute] without 
> having to set encoding
> knowledge. And I can also create the file using Cyberduck with no 
> problems. So IT knows about/expects/sets
> up the encoding as needed. I bet other Linux-aware apps would also open 
> or list such files without
> drama or special configuration.

IT doesn't know - it assumes. I suspect that if you used Cyberduck to 
connect to a Linux server which is setup to *not* be utf-8 (so filenames 
are encoded with some other encoding), then it would display things 
incorrectly.

Of course, if the protocols it deals with specify the text encoding as 
utf-8 *and* the daemons running on said server are setup correctly (i.e. 
so that they process the filenames and such relative to the server's 
encoding) *and* they correctly convert the filenames from that encoding 
to the encoding mandated by the protocol then it would display fine.

Certainly FTP treats filenames as sequences of bytes - so at least for 
that protocol the client would have to assume UTF-8 or be told the 
correct encoding to do the correct thing.

> However: in LC Server when I call "the long files" for the enclosing 
> folder: crash!
> (Actually an in-line error reported for this code line). To my mind 
> that qualifies as
> bug, even if the source of the crash is the same as for open file.

I take it by crash you mean a runtime error is logged, and that this 
only happens if the LANG / LC_ALL environment variables are not set?

This is the same issue as opening a file - the low-level text encoding 
from ASCII to the internal encoding used by strings in the engine will 
be failing because it encounters non-ASCII.

>    On the other hand hopefully setting the environment variables as 
> Mark suggests will
> fix everything . Mark, could I clarify exactly how that launcher 
> script is to be used
> Im guessing the cgi configuration should point to that file to be 
> executed when it wants
> to open myscript.lc instead of pointing to the livecode-server 
> executable (in which case
> it might have to have a .cgi suffix rather than .txt), or is it a shell 
> script to be
> executed by livecode-server?

The provided text should be put into a shell script which should be 
launched *instead* of livecode-server - so configure your CGI 
environment to call said shell script when it encounters a lc server 
script file to run. It will then set environment variables and then 
'exec' replaces the shell script with livecode-server (in the same 
process).

Technically while what the engine is doing is correct (relative to its 
need to have filenames represented as strings internally at least) it 
isn't ideal. There are two options to improve the situation (when the 
locale env vars are not set / set to C):

   1) Rather than assume ASCII, assume native - this would preserve the 
bytes in the filename regardless of system encoding.
   2) Rather than assume ASCII, assume utf-8 - this would correctly 
represent filenames which are valid UTF-8, but would still fail on 
filenames with bad encoding

Here (1) has the advantage that filenames would be preserved; but with 
the slight caveat that if you combined with other unicode characters (in 
a report say); the filenames would be displayed incorrectly (here 
'display' would also include being sent as part of some protocol 
response).

Here (2) has the advantage of everything working as expected assuming 
the server in question is utf-8 - it would still fail on filenames which 
are badly encoded though. However the latter could be mitigated by 
making the sys-string<->lc-string conversion slightly less strict - i.e. 
bad utf-8 chars map to/from '?' as they do in textEncode/Decode - so at 
least you could see the bad filenames.

I suspect (2) is overall better - its only downside is that you would 
not be able to manipulate files on the server which had badly encoded 
utf-8 names. However, that seems like an extreme edge case; and one 
which you could work around by just setting the LANG env var to a native 
encoding and put appropriate code in your app to deal with.

Warmest Regards,

Mark.

-- 
Mark Waddingham ~ mark at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
LiveCode: Build Amazing Things


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Aug 16 11:18:30 2023
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2023 15:18:30 +0000
Subject: Linux filenames in LC Server
In-Reply-To: <f783bcfc15ac88eab0490269b09c3de8@livecode.com>
References: <CA5CD531-6DD7-481D-8A50-1294B6E42A68@optusnet.com.au>
 <f783bcfc15ac88eab0490269b09c3de8@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <AD1DEAD7-9D1B-4BBA-B9C4-DAEE54629C19@iotecdigital.com>

Hah! This reminds me of a time when Windows would allow files with names that were legal for Mac to be written to its own file system who’s filenames were NOT legal. The result is you could save the files, but you could never access or delete them, neither could you delete any folder that contained them. They had to write utilities to rename such files and they weren't 100% successful.

Bob S


On Aug 16, 2023, at 12:34 AM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

I suspect (2) is overall better - its only downside is that you would not be able to manipulate files on the server which had badly encoded utf-8 names. However, that seems like an extreme edge case; and one which you could work around by just setting the LANG env var to a native encoding and put appropriate code in your app to deal with.

Warmest Regards,

Mark.

--
Mark Waddingham ~ mark at livecode.com<mailto:mark at livecode.com> ~ http://www.livecode.com/
LiveCode: Build Amazing Things


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Aug 16 12:30:56 2023
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2023 16:30:56 +0000
Subject: Setting focus after tab
Message-ID: <E0617581-DE8A-4AD3-95F8-38745A2E0EC0@iotecdigital.com>

Hi all. 

Something curious that has been going on for a while. When I tab from field 1 to field 2, I have code that populates field 2 in some circumstances, then checks to see if field 2 is empty, then focuses on field 2 if it is, or fiend 3 if it’s not. In other words I am trying to focus on the next empty field. 

This never works if I am tabbing, BUT if I set a breakpoint and step through the code, IT DOES WORK! I think this is because the tab-to-next-field native LC code is executing AFTER my code runs. Exit to top does not have an effect. 

Anyone else seeing this behavior? 

Bob S


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Aug 16 12:49:16 2023
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2023 16:49:16 +0000
Subject: Setting focus after tab
In-Reply-To: <E0617581-DE8A-4AD3-95F8-38745A2E0EC0@iotecdigital.com>
References: <E0617581-DE8A-4AD3-95F8-38745A2E0EC0@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <C9F4CFCF-ADF0-4C80-B5AC-90E479F84724@iotecdigital.com>

<sigh> never mind. I just tested this with a new stack and it works the way it’s supposed to. I must have a script that is doing this. 

Bob S


> On Aug 16, 2023, at 9:30 AM, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi all. 
> 
> Something curious that has been going on for a while. When I tab from field 1 to field 2, I have code that populates field 2 in some circumstances, then checks to see if field 2 is empty, then focuses on field 2 if it is, or fiend 3 if it’s not. In other words I am trying to focus on the next empty field. 
> 
> This never works if I am tabbing, BUT if I set a breakpoint and step through the code, IT DOES WORK! I think this is because the tab-to-next-field native LC code is executing AFTER my code runs. Exit to top does not have an effect. 
> 
> Anyone else seeing this behavior? 
> 
> Bob S
> 


From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Wed Aug 16 19:33:16 2023
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2023 01:33:16 +0200
Subject: Linux filenames in LC Server
In-Reply-To: <f783bcfc15ac88eab0490269b09c3de8@livecode.com>
References: <CA5CD531-6DD7-481D-8A50-1294B6E42A68@optusnet.com.au>
 <f783bcfc15ac88eab0490269b09c3de8@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <12E0AE86-346F-441C-9CB1-394CC762E3E3@m-r-d.de>

It seems it is possible to set environment vars  using redirect rules in .htaccess.

I added the following lines to my .htaccess

RewriteEngine on
RewriteRule \.(lc) - [E=LANG:de_DE.UTF-8]

the 2nd line or better tells Apache not to redirect, but to 'use'  the flag [E=....]  when an .lc file is "requested".
The flag allows to set an environment variable.  E=LANG:de_DE.UTF-8        tells apache to set the variable LANG  to the value de_DE.UTF-8
It's even possible to set cookies that way using a cookie tag.

With those 2 lines i did not receive the 'can't open file'  error anymore and the file with a non-ascii filename, in my script testä.txt, was created by the .lc script.
In my ftp client the file testä.txt is shown as testä.txt, but i can access the file from LCserver still with its original name testä.txt



> Am 16.08.2023 um 09:34 schrieb Mark Waddingham via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> On 2023-08-16 06:37, Neville Smythe via use-livecode wrote:
>> So I misunderstood, I thought we were talking about Apache environment variables. Indeed the Terminal app reports
>> LANG=C
>> as a system env variable. But if this is not specifically a server problem, wouldn’t
>> that mean we could see the same behaviour with LC Desktop on Linux machines running
>> vanilla Ubuntu or Debian (which is what Dreamhost uses)? I haven’t tried this yet,
>> as it is a bit of pain to fire up my Linux emulator machine.
> 
> So the situation here is similar to that which you get on macOS. If you open Terminal, then the (UNIX) environment (variable-wise) which you get will be different from that you get when you double-click on an app to launch it. In the latter case, the executable is launched via the desktop environments 'launcher' process and will inherit the environment provided by that. Presumably, as Linux desktops mandate various things (like language settings), the locale and environment vars will be set appropriately.
> 
>> An experiment, which make me wonder if this counts as a configuration problem or an actual bug in LC Server:
>> In Terminal I type (actually paste) and execute
>> echo “éü😃” > Carré.txt
>>    (for Forum users like me who just see ? everywhere, that is [e-acute][u-umlaut][happyface emoji] in the content to be written to a file with [e-acute] in its name)
>>   This works without problem. The contents of the file are utf-8 encoded, which I didn’t
>> need to specify, but I guess that is what the pasteboard provided. Terminal had no problem
>> creating or finding the file without needing those env settings. Of course it cannot *display*
>> the file name without knowing the encoding, so ls reports the filename as 'Carr'$'\303\251''.txt’
>> ( readable as an ascii encoding, though not one I have seen before; note the single quotes)
> 
> I'm guessing here that this is a remote ssh session to your Linux server, and you are using macOS Terminal app to run and connect? If that is the case then the reason this works is because Terminal on macOS is UTF-8 (which is the *only* encoding macOS supports in its UNIX subsystem so you don't get the variance problem you do with Linux). This means that pasting text from somewhere else will paste the UTF-8 bytes - i.e. they will get transmitted over SSH to the remote linux machine.
> 
> As filenames are just sequences of bytes on Linux this works fine - however when you ask the remote terminal to list the files, it can only interpret the ascii chars (as the LANG is C) and thus emits octal escapes for the others - here this ix 0xC3 0xA9 which is the utf-8 encoding of e-acute.
> 
>> If I setup the env variables Mark suggests in the Terminal session
>> export LC_ALL="en_US.UTF8"
>> export LANG=“en_US.UTF8”
>> then Terminal is able to display the filename á la française.
> 
> So now the remote terminal knows how to interpret the sequences of bytes present in the filenames, and thus can emit them appropriately.
> 
>> Cyberduck reports this filename correctly using the [e-acute] without having to set encoding
>> knowledge. And I can also create the file using Cyberduck with no problems. So IT knows about/expects/sets
>> up the encoding as needed. I bet other Linux-aware apps would also open or list such files without
>> drama or special configuration.
> 
> IT doesn't know - it assumes. I suspect that if you used Cyberduck to connect to a Linux server which is setup to *not* be utf-8 (so filenames are encoded with some other encoding), then it would display things incorrectly.
> 
> Of course, if the protocols it deals with specify the text encoding as utf-8 *and* the daemons running on said server are setup correctly (i.e. so that they process the filenames and such relative to the server's encoding) *and* they correctly convert the filenames from that encoding to the encoding mandated by the protocol then it would display fine.
> 
> Certainly FTP treats filenames as sequences of bytes - so at least for that protocol the client would have to assume UTF-8 or be told the correct encoding to do the correct thing.
> 
>> However: in LC Server when I call "the long files" for the enclosing folder: crash!
>> (Actually an in-line error reported for this code line). To my mind that qualifies as
>> bug, even if the source of the crash is the same as for open file.
> 
> I take it by crash you mean a runtime error is logged, and that this only happens if the LANG / LC_ALL environment variables are not set?
> 
> This is the same issue as opening a file - the low-level text encoding from ASCII to the internal encoding used by strings in the engine will be failing because it encounters non-ASCII.
> 
>>   On the other hand hopefully setting the environment variables as Mark suggests will
>> fix everything . Mark, could I clarify exactly how that “launcher script” is to be used…
>> I’m guessing the cgi configuration should point to that file to be executed when it wants
>> to open myscript.lc instead of pointing to the livecode-server executable (in which case
>> it might have to have a .cgi suffix rather than .txt), or is it a shell script to be
>> executed by livecode-server?
> 
> The provided text should be put into a shell script which should be launched *instead* of livecode-server - so configure your CGI environment to call said shell script when it encounters a lc server script file to run. It will then set environment variables and then 'exec' replaces the shell script with livecode-server (in the same process).
> 
> Technically while what the engine is doing is correct (relative to its need to have filenames represented as strings internally at least) it isn't ideal. There are two options to improve the situation (when the locale env vars are not set / set to C):
> 
>  1) Rather than assume ASCII, assume native - this would preserve the bytes in the filename regardless of system encoding.
>  2) Rather than assume ASCII, assume utf-8 - this would correctly represent filenames which are valid UTF-8, but would still fail on filenames with bad encoding
> 
> Here (1) has the advantage that filenames would be preserved; but with the slight caveat that if you combined with other unicode characters (in a report say); the filenames would be displayed incorrectly (here 'display' would also include being sent as part of some protocol response).
> 
> Here (2) has the advantage of everything working as expected assuming the server in question is utf-8 - it would still fail on filenames which are badly encoded though. However the latter could be mitigated by making the sys-string<->lc-string conversion slightly less strict - i.e. bad utf-8 chars map to/from '?' as they do in textEncode/Decode - so at least you could see the bad filenames.
> 
> I suspect (2) is overall better - its only downside is that you would not be able to manipulate files on the server which had badly encoded utf-8 names. However, that seems like an extreme edge case; and one which you could work around by just setting the LANG env var to a native encoding and put appropriate code in your app to deal with.
> 
> Warmest Regards,
> 
> Mark.
> 
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> LiveCode: Build Amazing Things
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From harrison at all-auctions.com  Wed Aug 16 21:27:40 2023
From: harrison at all-auctions.com (harrison at all-auctions.com)
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2023 21:27:40 -0400
Subject: LC 9.6.9 App uses too much memory!
In-Reply-To: <332932d5c6b5963e704c40816aec8145@livecode.com>
References: <903ADB0E-1E82-44C9-96A1-C4FE62EC10B9@optusnet.com.au>
 <848FFA3D-F8BA-45F1-8595-B4742FE107B9@all-auctions.com>
 <332932d5c6b5963e704c40816aec8145@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <63F06F78-904E-485F-8A48-6A9EC1A67017@all-auctions.com>

Hi Mark,

It was a very old stack that used the Player object.
It had start and stop buttons that I had created,
and a couple of scrollbar objects for quick value
scrubbing and playing.

There was some rather odd behavior with the
toggle controller where the 9.6.9 version was
the flip flop of the 9.6.8 version.  Other than
that I couldn’t see any noticeable differences.

I was able to reconstruct this simple stack
in LC 9.6.9 and have it function properly,
when made from scratch.

Perhaps the old stack had some unseen
corruption or something.  It was just very
odd to see it function fine in LC 9.6.8
but then have it cause that memory
leak overrun in LC 9.6.9 and be unusable.

I haven’t been able to come up with a
recipe to duplicate the problem.

If I can figure out a repeatable recipe
I’ll get back to you on that.  This is
non-critical for me at the moment.

Thanks,

Rick



> On Aug 14, 2023, at 6:13 AM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Could you file a bug report with recipe and attach (or send to support at livecode.com <mailto:support at livecode.com> if its sensitive) the stack and recipe for reproducing the problem so we can take a look.
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> Mark.


From neville.smythe at optusnet.com.au  Thu Aug 17 09:56:49 2023
From: neville.smythe at optusnet.com.au (Neville Smythe)
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2023 23:56:49 +1000
Subject: Linux filenames in LC Server - Resolved
Message-ID: <9DFCB875-8122-4440-A26F-22F073C96D67@optusnet.com.au>

Thank you Mark, installing the launcher script to set environment variables has fixed all my issues with non-ascii filenames. The documentation for installing LCS could usefully make a note of these settings. And indeed TextEncode/Decode both work as expected, my musings there were irrelevant.

Do you expect a future version of LCServer will incorporate the changes? IMHO I’d agree option 2 would make things work more transparently for the vast majority of cases. And while you wouldn’t able be able to handle badly encoded filenames within LC, I guess you wouldn't be able to create them either.

Neville Smythe





From panos.merakos at livecode.com  Thu Aug 17 10:02:59 2023
From: panos.merakos at livecode.com (panagiotis merakos)
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2023 17:02:59 +0300
Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10 RC-1
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq9P4-3x7pJ+vEjN-HNRWjq+k9Y=4BU=Xy6FTSfRN0V6Aw@mail.gmail.com>

Dear list members,

We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.10 RC-1.

LiveCode 9.6.10 RC-1 comes with more than 20 bugfixes, including support
for Android API 33, which will be a requirement for submitting new apps to
the Google Play Store as of the 31st of August.

You can find more details on the bug fixes and improvements of this new
release here:

https://livecode.com/livecode-9-6-10-rc-1-released/

You can find the release in your LiveCode account area or get it via the
automatic updater.

Enjoy!

Kind regards
The LiveCode Team
--

From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Thu Aug 17 10:11:08 2023
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2023 16:11:08 +0200
Subject: Linux filenames in LC Server - Resolved
In-Reply-To: <9DFCB875-8122-4440-A26F-22F073C96D67@optusnet.com.au>
References: <9DFCB875-8122-4440-A26F-22F073C96D67@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <062314FD-CA58-4B47-8070-97A12355CF9E@m-r-d.de>

Hi Neville,

did you read my comment about setting the environment variable lang using .htaccess?
That worked here and i could write non-ascii filenames using the "standard" LC Server installation.

Regards,
Matthias

> Am 17.08.2023 um 15:56 schrieb Neville Smythe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Thank you Mark, installing the launcher script to set environment variables has fixed all my issues with non-ascii filenames. The documentation for installing LCS could usefully make a note of these settings. And indeed TextEncode/Decode both work as expected, my musings there were irrelevant.
> 
> Do you expect a future version of LCServer will incorporate the changes? IMHO I’d agree option 2 would make things work more transparently for the vast majority of cases. And while you wouldn’t able be able to handle badly encoded filenames within LC, I guess you wouldn't be able to create them either.
> 
> Neville Smythe
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From mark at canelasoftware.com  Thu Aug 17 11:57:30 2023
From: mark at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto)
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2023 08:57:30 -0700
Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10 RC-1
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq9P4-3x7pJ+vEjN-HNRWjq+k9Y=4BU=Xy6FTSfRN0V6Aw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+JfEq9P4-3x7pJ+vEjN-HNRWjq+k9Y=4BU=Xy6FTSfRN0V6Aw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ABA76994-DFC1-4BD5-B2ED-DF787671A083@canelasoftware.com>

Hi Panos,

I am looking forward to testing this build. I do not have any links to the download on the page. They appear to be missing.

The release notes are linked, and I can read them. 


Best regards,
Mark Talluto

appli.io <https://appli.io/>
livecloud.io <https://livecloud.io/>
nursenotes.net <https://nursenotes.net/>
canelasoftware.com <https://www.canelasoftware.com/>



> On Aug 17, 2023, at 7:02 AM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Dear list members,
> 
> We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.10 RC-1.
> 
> LiveCode 9.6.10 RC-1 comes with more than 20 bugfixes, including support
> for Android API 33, which will be a requirement for submitting new apps to
> the Google Play Store as of the 31st of August.
> 
> You can find more details on the bug fixes and improvements of this new
> release here:
> 
> https://livecode.com/livecode-9-6-10-rc-1-released/
> 
> You can find the release in your LiveCode account area or get it via the
> automatic updater.
> 
> Enjoy!
> 
> Kind regards
> The LiveCode Team
> --
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From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Thu Aug 17 12:01:12 2023
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2023 18:01:12 +0200
Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10 RC-1
In-Reply-To: <ABA76994-DFC1-4BD5-B2ED-DF787671A083@canelasoftware.com>
References: <CA+JfEq9P4-3x7pJ+vEjN-HNRWjq+k9Y=4BU=Xy6FTSfRN0V6Aw@mail.gmail.com>
 <ABA76994-DFC1-4BD5-B2ED-DF787671A083@canelasoftware.com>
Message-ID: <D5DB280C-9F6E-4C62-9701-D9C1F2AFBF92@m-r-d.de>

As Panos wrote.. ;)

You can find the release in your LiveCode account area or get it via the
automatic updater.

> Am 17.08.2023 um 17:57 schrieb Mark Talluto via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Hi Panos,
> 
> I am looking forward to testing this build. I do not have any links to the download on the page. They appear to be missing.
> 
> The release notes are linked, and I can read them. 
> 
> 
> Best regards,
> Mark Talluto
> 
> appli.io <https://appli.io/>
> livecloud.io <https://livecloud.io/>
> nursenotes.net <https://nursenotes.net/>
> canelasoftware.com <https://www.canelasoftware.com/>
> 
> 
> 
>> On Aug 17, 2023, at 7:02 AM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Dear list members,
>> 
>> We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.10 RC-1.
>> 
>> LiveCode 9.6.10 RC-1 comes with more than 20 bugfixes, including support
>> for Android API 33, which will be a requirement for submitting new apps to
>> the Google Play Store as of the 31st of August.
>> 
>> You can find more details on the bug fixes and improvements of this new
>> release here:
>> 
>> https://livecode.com/livecode-9-6-10-rc-1-released/
>> 
>> You can find the release in your LiveCode account area or get it via the
>> automatic updater.
>> 
>> Enjoy!
>> 
>> Kind regards
>> The LiveCode Team
>> --
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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From merakosp at gmail.com  Thu Aug 17 12:05:18 2023
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis m)
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2023 19:05:18 +0300
Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10 RC-1
In-Reply-To: <D5DB280C-9F6E-4C62-9701-D9C1F2AFBF92@m-r-d.de>
References: <CA+JfEq9P4-3x7pJ+vEjN-HNRWjq+k9Y=4BU=Xy6FTSfRN0V6Aw@mail.gmail.com>
 <ABA76994-DFC1-4BD5-B2ED-DF787671A083@canelasoftware.com>
 <D5DB280C-9F6E-4C62-9701-D9C1F2AFBF92@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq__Jg5DWGMEGBjtcd7KEYTNR2i67sRZWrx0qJWPiRgnuQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Mark,

As Matthias noted, you can find this release in your account area. You have
to scroll down a bit because the stable releases are listed at the top.

In the downloads page you can only find the last stable release - currently
9.6.9.

Kind regards,
Panos
--

On Thu, 17 Aug 2023 at 19:02, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> As Panos wrote.. ;)
>
> You can find the release in your LiveCode account area or get it via the
> automatic updater.
>
> > Am 17.08.2023 um 17:57 schrieb Mark Talluto via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> >
> > Hi Panos,
> >
> > I am looking forward to testing this build. I do not have any links to
> the download on the page. They appear to be missing.
> >
> > The release notes are linked, and I can read them.
> >
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Mark Talluto
> >
> > appli.io <https://appli.io/>
> > livecloud.io <https://livecloud.io/>
> > nursenotes.net <https://nursenotes.net/>
> > canelasoftware.com <https://www.canelasoftware.com/>
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Aug 17, 2023, at 7:02 AM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Dear list members,
> >>
> >> We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.10 RC-1.
> >>
> >> LiveCode 9.6.10 RC-1 comes with more than 20 bugfixes, including support
> >> for Android API 33, which will be a requirement for submitting new apps
> to
> >> the Google Play Store as of the 31st of August.
> >>
> >> You can find more details on the bug fixes and improvements of this new
> >> release here:
> >>
> >> https://livecode.com/livecode-9-6-10-rc-1-released/
> >>
> >> You can find the release in your LiveCode account area or get it via the
> >> automatic updater.
> >>
> >> Enjoy!
> >>
> >> Kind regards
> >> The LiveCode Team
> >> --
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> use-livecode mailing list
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
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From mark at canelasoftware.com  Thu Aug 17 12:12:37 2023
From: mark at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto)
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2023 09:12:37 -0700
Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10 RC-1
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq__Jg5DWGMEGBjtcd7KEYTNR2i67sRZWrx0qJWPiRgnuQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+JfEq9P4-3x7pJ+vEjN-HNRWjq+k9Y=4BU=Xy6FTSfRN0V6Aw@mail.gmail.com>
 <ABA76994-DFC1-4BD5-B2ED-DF787671A083@canelasoftware.com>
 <D5DB280C-9F6E-4C62-9701-D9C1F2AFBF92@m-r-d.de>
 <CA+JfEq__Jg5DWGMEGBjtcd7KEYTNR2i67sRZWrx0qJWPiRgnuQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7235ECDA-1A4D-4DA3-8E2A-D018C9E18B71@canelasoftware.com>

I guess my email with a link to a screenshot of what I am seeing has not gone through. 

I appreciate you can get the update through the auto-updater, but I want to download the installer from my account page as we can with other builds. The issue may be specific to my account. 

I’ll let the earth spin a bit and see how it goes for others. This is not a high priority situation for me.  :)

FWIW, I tried in both Firefox and Safari.

Best regards,
Mark Talluto

appli.io <https://appli.io/>
livecloud.io <https://livecloud.io/>
nursenotes.net <https://nursenotes.net/>
canelasoftware.com <https://www.canelasoftware.com/>



> On Aug 17, 2023, at 9:05 AM, panagiotis m via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello Mark,
> 
> As Matthias noted, you can find this release in your account area. You have
> to scroll down a bit because the stable releases are listed at the top.
> 
> In the downloads page you can only find the last stable release - currently
> 9.6.9.
> 
> Kind regards,
> Panos
> --
> 
> On Thu, 17 Aug 2023 at 19:02, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> As Panos wrote.. ;)
>> 
>> You can find the release in your LiveCode account area or get it via the
>> automatic updater.
>> 
>>> Am 17.08.2023 um 17:57 schrieb Mark Talluto via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>> 
>>> Hi Panos,
>>> 
>>> I am looking forward to testing this build. I do not have any links to
>> the download on the page. They appear to be missing.
>>> 
>>> The release notes are linked, and I can read them.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Best regards,
>>> Mark Talluto
>>> 
>>> appli.io <https://appli.io/>
>>> livecloud.io <https://livecloud.io/>
>>> nursenotes.net <https://nursenotes.net/>
>>> canelasoftware.com <https://www.canelasoftware.com/>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 17, 2023, at 7:02 AM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Dear list members,
>>>> 
>>>> We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.10 RC-1.
>>>> 
>>>> LiveCode 9.6.10 RC-1 comes with more than 20 bugfixes, including support
>>>> for Android API 33, which will be a requirement for submitting new apps
>> to
>>>> the Google Play Store as of the 31st of August.
>>>> 
>>>> You can find more details on the bug fixes and improvements of this new
>>>> release here:
>>>> 
>>>> https://livecode.com/livecode-9-6-10-rc-1-released/
>>>> 
>>>> You can find the release in your LiveCode account area or get it via the
>>>> automatic updater.
>>>> 
>>>> Enjoy!
>>>> 
>>>> Kind regards
>>>> The LiveCode Team
>>>> --
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
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>>> 
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From hlowe at me.com  Thu Aug 17 12:12:35 2023
From: hlowe at me.com (HENRY LOWE)
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2023 17:12:35 +0100
Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10 RC-1
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq__Jg5DWGMEGBjtcd7KEYTNR2i67sRZWrx0qJWPiRgnuQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+JfEq9P4-3x7pJ+vEjN-HNRWjq+k9Y=4BU=Xy6FTSfRN0V6Aw@mail.gmail.com>
 <ABA76994-DFC1-4BD5-B2ED-DF787671A083@canelasoftware.com>
 <D5DB280C-9F6E-4C62-9701-D9C1F2AFBF92@m-r-d.de>
 <CA+JfEq__Jg5DWGMEGBjtcd7KEYTNR2i67sRZWrx0qJWPiRgnuQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D3C87434-28D6-4E63-8F72-DD8F19012266@me.com>

I see only a link to the release notes.

Henry

> On Aug 17, 2023, at 5:05 PM, panagiotis m via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello Mark,
> 
> As Matthias noted, you can find this release in your account area. You have
> to scroll down a bit because the stable releases are listed at the top.
> 
> In the downloads page you can only find the last stable release - currently
> 9.6.9.
> 
> Kind regards,
> Panos
> --
> 
> On Thu, 17 Aug 2023 at 19:02, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> As Panos wrote.. ;)
>> 
>> You can find the release in your LiveCode account area or get it via the
>> automatic updater.
>> 
>>> Am 17.08.2023 um 17:57 schrieb Mark Talluto via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>> 
>>> Hi Panos,
>>> 
>>> I am looking forward to testing this build. I do not have any links to
>> the download on the page. They appear to be missing.
>>> 
>>> The release notes are linked, and I can read them.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Best regards,
>>> Mark Talluto
>>> 
>>> appli.io <https://appli.io/>
>>> livecloud.io <https://livecloud.io/>
>>> nursenotes.net <https://nursenotes.net/>
>>> canelasoftware.com <https://www.canelasoftware.com/>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 17, 2023, at 7:02 AM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Dear list members,
>>>> 
>>>> We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.10 RC-1.
>>>> 
>>>> LiveCode 9.6.10 RC-1 comes with more than 20 bugfixes, including support
>>>> for Android API 33, which will be a requirement for submitting new apps
>> to
>>>> the Google Play Store as of the 31st of August.
>>>> 
>>>> You can find more details on the bug fixes and improvements of this new
>>>> release here:
>>>> 
>>>> https://livecode.com/livecode-9-6-10-rc-1-released/
>>>> 
>>>> You can find the release in your LiveCode account area or get it via the
>>>> automatic updater.
>>>> 
>>>> Enjoy!
>>>> 
>>>> Kind regards
>>>> The LiveCode Team
>>>> --
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>> 
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>> subscription preferences:
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From merakosp at gmail.com  Thu Aug 17 12:22:20 2023
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis m)
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2023 19:22:20 +0300
Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10 RC-1
In-Reply-To: <D3C87434-28D6-4E63-8F72-DD8F19012266@me.com>
References: <CA+JfEq9P4-3x7pJ+vEjN-HNRWjq+k9Y=4BU=Xy6FTSfRN0V6Aw@mail.gmail.com>
 <ABA76994-DFC1-4BD5-B2ED-DF787671A083@canelasoftware.com>
 <D5DB280C-9F6E-4C62-9701-D9C1F2AFBF92@m-r-d.de>
 <CA+JfEq__Jg5DWGMEGBjtcd7KEYTNR2i67sRZWrx0qJWPiRgnuQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <D3C87434-28D6-4E63-8F72-DD8F19012266@me.com>
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq_F8j8poPgO-+t6R5S6zoAJ8SNtbWVzPZuW41HG=380nw@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all,

Oh I see what you mean!

If you go to the "Downloads" section **in your account** - not the public
downloads page -  I confirm it only shows the release notes for LC 9.6.10
RC1

But you can still get LC 9.6.10 RC-1 if you go to Products -> LiveCode
dropdown

We will fix the issue asap.

Thanks for spotting it!

Cheers,
Panos

On Thu, 17 Aug 2023 at 19:13, HENRY LOWE via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I see only a link to the release notes.
>
> Henry
>
> > On Aug 17, 2023, at 5:05 PM, panagiotis m via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Mark,
> >
> > As Matthias noted, you can find this release in your account area. You
> have
> > to scroll down a bit because the stable releases are listed at the top.
> >
> > In the downloads page you can only find the last stable release -
> currently
> > 9.6.9.
> >
> > Kind regards,
> > Panos
> > --
> >
> > On Thu, 17 Aug 2023 at 19:02, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >> As Panos wrote.. ;)
> >>
> >> You can find the release in your LiveCode account area or get it via the
> >> automatic updater.
> >>
> >>> Am 17.08.2023 um 17:57 schrieb Mark Talluto via use-livecode <
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> >>>
> >>> Hi Panos,
> >>>
> >>> I am looking forward to testing this build. I do not have any links to
> >> the download on the page. They appear to be missing.
> >>>
> >>> The release notes are linked, and I can read them.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Best regards,
> >>> Mark Talluto
> >>>
> >>> appli.io <https://appli.io/>
> >>> livecloud.io <https://livecloud.io/>
> >>> nursenotes.net <https://nursenotes.net/>
> >>> canelasoftware.com <https://www.canelasoftware.com/>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> On Aug 17, 2023, at 7:02 AM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Dear list members,
> >>>>
> >>>> We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.10 RC-1.
> >>>>
> >>>> LiveCode 9.6.10 RC-1 comes with more than 20 bugfixes, including
> support
> >>>> for Android API 33, which will be a requirement for submitting new
> apps
> >> to
> >>>> the Google Play Store as of the 31st of August.
> >>>>
> >>>> You can find more details on the bug fixes and improvements of this
> new
> >>>> release here:
> >>>>
> >>>> https://livecode.com/livecode-9-6-10-rc-1-released/
> >>>>
> >>>> You can find the release in your LiveCode account area or get it via
> the
> >>>> automatic updater.
> >>>>
> >>>> Enjoy!
> >>>>
> >>>> Kind regards
> >>>> The LiveCode Team
> >>>> --
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> use-livecode mailing list
> >>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> >> subscription preferences:
> >>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> use-livecode mailing list
> >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> >> subscription preferences:
> >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >>
> >>
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> subscription preferences:
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From merakosp at gmail.com  Thu Aug 17 12:23:10 2023
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis m)
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2023 19:23:10 +0300
Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10 RC-1
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq_F8j8poPgO-+t6R5S6zoAJ8SNtbWVzPZuW41HG=380nw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+JfEq9P4-3x7pJ+vEjN-HNRWjq+k9Y=4BU=Xy6FTSfRN0V6Aw@mail.gmail.com>
 <ABA76994-DFC1-4BD5-B2ED-DF787671A083@canelasoftware.com>
 <D5DB280C-9F6E-4C62-9701-D9C1F2AFBF92@m-r-d.de>
 <CA+JfEq__Jg5DWGMEGBjtcd7KEYTNR2i67sRZWrx0qJWPiRgnuQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <D3C87434-28D6-4E63-8F72-DD8F19012266@me.com>
 <CA+JfEq_F8j8poPgO-+t6R5S6zoAJ8SNtbWVzPZuW41HG=380nw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq_mhP2n7hZkghc72z-4wg2rkMMyJ+RQ65RHyuFUxt4hoA@mail.gmail.com>

OK should be fixed now!

Cheers,
Panos
--

On Thu, 17 Aug 2023 at 19:22, panagiotis m <merakosp at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> Oh I see what you mean!
>
> If you go to the "Downloads" section **in your account** - not the public
> downloads page -  I confirm it only shows the release notes for LC 9.6.10
> RC1
>
> But you can still get LC 9.6.10 RC-1 if you go to Products -> LiveCode
> dropdown
>
> We will fix the issue asap.
>
> Thanks for spotting it!
>
> Cheers,
> Panos
>
> On Thu, 17 Aug 2023 at 19:13, HENRY LOWE via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> I see only a link to the release notes.
>>
>> Henry
>>
>> > On Aug 17, 2023, at 5:05 PM, panagiotis m via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hello Mark,
>> >
>> > As Matthias noted, you can find this release in your account area. You
>> have
>> > to scroll down a bit because the stable releases are listed at the top.
>> >
>> > In the downloads page you can only find the last stable release -
>> currently
>> > 9.6.9.
>> >
>> > Kind regards,
>> > Panos
>> > --
>> >
>> > On Thu, 17 Aug 2023 at 19:02, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <
>> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> As Panos wrote.. ;)
>> >>
>> >> You can find the release in your LiveCode account area or get it via
>> the
>> >> automatic updater.
>> >>
>> >>> Am 17.08.2023 um 17:57 schrieb Mark Talluto via use-livecode <
>> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>> >>>
>> >>> Hi Panos,
>> >>>
>> >>> I am looking forward to testing this build. I do not have any links to
>> >> the download on the page. They appear to be missing.
>> >>>
>> >>> The release notes are linked, and I can read them.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Best regards,
>> >>> Mark Talluto
>> >>>
>> >>> appli.io <https://appli.io/>
>> >>> livecloud.io <https://livecloud.io/>
>> >>> nursenotes.net <https://nursenotes.net/>
>> >>> canelasoftware.com <https://www.canelasoftware.com/>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> On Aug 17, 2023, at 7:02 AM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
>> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Dear list members,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.10 RC-1.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> LiveCode 9.6.10 RC-1 comes with more than 20 bugfixes, including
>> support
>> >>>> for Android API 33, which will be a requirement for submitting new
>> apps
>> >> to
>> >>>> the Google Play Store as of the 31st of August.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> You can find more details on the bug fixes and improvements of this
>> new
>> >>>> release here:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> https://livecode.com/livecode-9-6-10-rc-1-released/
>> >>>>
>> >>>> You can find the release in your LiveCode account area or get it via
>> the
>> >>>> automatic updater.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Enjoy!
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Kind regards
>> >>>> The LiveCode Team
>> >>>> --
>> >>>> _______________________________________________
>> >>>> use-livecode mailing list
>> >>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> >> subscription preferences:
>> >>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> >>>
>> >>> _______________________________________________
>> >>> use-livecode mailing list
>> >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> >> subscription preferences:
>> >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> _______________________________________________
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>> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> >> subscription preferences:
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>> >>
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>> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
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>

From mark at canelasoftware.com  Thu Aug 17 12:28:23 2023
From: mark at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto)
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2023 09:28:23 -0700
Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10 RC-1
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq_mhP2n7hZkghc72z-4wg2rkMMyJ+RQ65RHyuFUxt4hoA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+JfEq9P4-3x7pJ+vEjN-HNRWjq+k9Y=4BU=Xy6FTSfRN0V6Aw@mail.gmail.com>
 <ABA76994-DFC1-4BD5-B2ED-DF787671A083@canelasoftware.com>
 <D5DB280C-9F6E-4C62-9701-D9C1F2AFBF92@m-r-d.de>
 <CA+JfEq__Jg5DWGMEGBjtcd7KEYTNR2i67sRZWrx0qJWPiRgnuQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <D3C87434-28D6-4E63-8F72-DD8F19012266@me.com>
 <CA+JfEq_F8j8poPgO-+t6R5S6zoAJ8SNtbWVzPZuW41HG=380nw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CA+JfEq_mhP2n7hZkghc72z-4wg2rkMMyJ+RQ65RHyuFUxt4hoA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DFEC032B-3AEA-417D-98BC-67572AB5894F@canelasoftware.com>

Much appreciated, Panos.

I just wanted to confirm that you fixed the issue. Downloading now.


Best regards,
Mark Talluto

appli.io <https://appli.io/>
livecloud.io <https://livecloud.io/>
nursenotes.net <https://nursenotes.net/>
canelasoftware.com <https://www.canelasoftware.com/>



> On Aug 17, 2023, at 9:23 AM, panagiotis m via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> OK should be fixed now!
> 
> Cheers,
> Panos
> --
> 
> On Thu, 17 Aug 2023 at 19:22, panagiotis m <merakosp at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hello all,
>> 
>> Oh I see what you mean!
>> 
>> If you go to the "Downloads" section **in your account** - not the public
>> downloads page -  I confirm it only shows the release notes for LC 9.6.10
>> RC1
>> 
>> But you can still get LC 9.6.10 RC-1 if you go to Products -> LiveCode
>> dropdown
>> 
>> We will fix the issue asap.
>> 
>> Thanks for spotting it!
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Panos
>> 
>> On Thu, 17 Aug 2023 at 19:13, HENRY LOWE via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I see only a link to the release notes.
>>> 
>>> Henry
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 17, 2023, at 5:05 PM, panagiotis m via use-livecode <
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hello Mark,
>>>> 
>>>> As Matthias noted, you can find this release in your account area. You
>>> have
>>>> to scroll down a bit because the stable releases are listed at the top.
>>>> 
>>>> In the downloads page you can only find the last stable release -
>>> currently
>>>> 9.6.9.
>>>> 
>>>> Kind regards,
>>>> Panos
>>>> --
>>>> 
>>>> On Thu, 17 Aug 2023 at 19:02, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> As Panos wrote.. ;)
>>>>> 
>>>>> You can find the release in your LiveCode account area or get it via
>>> the
>>>>> automatic updater.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Am 17.08.2023 um 17:57 schrieb Mark Talluto via use-livecode <
>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi Panos,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I am looking forward to testing this build. I do not have any links to
>>>>> the download on the page. They appear to be missing.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The release notes are linked, and I can read them.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>> Mark Talluto
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> appli.io <https://appli.io/>
>>>>>> livecloud.io <https://livecloud.io/>
>>>>>> nursenotes.net <https://nursenotes.net/>
>>>>>> canelasoftware.com <https://www.canelasoftware.com/>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Aug 17, 2023, at 7:02 AM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Dear list members,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.10 RC-1.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> LiveCode 9.6.10 RC-1 comes with more than 20 bugfixes, including
>>> support
>>>>>>> for Android API 33, which will be a requirement for submitting new
>>> apps
>>>>> to
>>>>>>> the Google Play Store as of the 31st of August.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> You can find more details on the bug fixes and improvements of this
>>> new
>>>>>>> release here:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> https://livecode.com/livecode-9-6-10-rc-1-released/
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> You can find the release in your LiveCode account area or get it via
>>> the
>>>>>>> automatic updater.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Enjoy!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Kind regards
>>>>>>> The LiveCode Team
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>>>> subscription preferences:
>>>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>>>> subscription preferences:
>>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>>>> subscription preferences:
>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>> subscription preferences:
>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> subscription preferences:
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>> 
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From mark at canelasoftware.com  Thu Aug 17 12:30:16 2023
From: mark at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto)
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2023 09:30:16 -0700
Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10 RC-1
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq_F8j8poPgO-+t6R5S6zoAJ8SNtbWVzPZuW41HG=380nw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+JfEq9P4-3x7pJ+vEjN-HNRWjq+k9Y=4BU=Xy6FTSfRN0V6Aw@mail.gmail.com>
 <ABA76994-DFC1-4BD5-B2ED-DF787671A083@canelasoftware.com>
 <D5DB280C-9F6E-4C62-9701-D9C1F2AFBF92@m-r-d.de>
 <CA+JfEq__Jg5DWGMEGBjtcd7KEYTNR2i67sRZWrx0qJWPiRgnuQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <D3C87434-28D6-4E63-8F72-DD8F19012266@me.com>
 <CA+JfEq_F8j8poPgO-+t6R5S6zoAJ8SNtbWVzPZuW41HG=380nw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BFB0C902-592B-4C53-A4A6-E43749E0F83E@canelasoftware.com>

Oh, I did not know you could get the downloads another way. I learn something new every day. Thanks.


Best regards,
Mark Talluto

appli.io <https://appli.io/>
livecloud.io <https://livecloud.io/>
nursenotes.net <https://nursenotes.net/>
canelasoftware.com <https://www.canelasoftware.com/>



> On Aug 17, 2023, at 9:22 AM, panagiotis m via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> Oh I see what you mean!
> 
> If you go to the "Downloads" section **in your account** - not the public
> downloads page -  I confirm it only shows the release notes for LC 9.6.10
> RC1
> 
> But you can still get LC 9.6.10 RC-1 if you go to Products -> LiveCode
> dropdown
> 
> We will fix the issue asap.
> 
> Thanks for spotting it!
> 
> Cheers,
> Panos
> 
> On Thu, 17 Aug 2023 at 19:13, HENRY LOWE via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> I see only a link to the release notes.
>> 
>> Henry
>> 
>>> On Aug 17, 2023, at 5:05 PM, panagiotis m via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Mark,
>>> 
>>> As Matthias noted, you can find this release in your account area. You
>> have
>>> to scroll down a bit because the stable releases are listed at the top.
>>> 
>>> In the downloads page you can only find the last stable release -
>> currently
>>> 9.6.9.
>>> 
>>> Kind regards,
>>> Panos
>>> --
>>> 
>>> On Thu, 17 Aug 2023 at 19:02, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> As Panos wrote.. ;)
>>>> 
>>>> You can find the release in your LiveCode account area or get it via the
>>>> automatic updater.
>>>> 
>>>>> Am 17.08.2023 um 17:57 schrieb Mark Talluto via use-livecode <
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Panos,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am looking forward to testing this build. I do not have any links to
>>>> the download on the page. They appear to be missing.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The release notes are linked, and I can read them.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> Mark Talluto
>>>>> 
>>>>> appli.io <https://appli.io/>
>>>>> livecloud.io <https://livecloud.io/>
>>>>> nursenotes.net <https://nursenotes.net/>
>>>>> canelasoftware.com <https://www.canelasoftware.com/>
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Aug 17, 2023, at 7:02 AM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Dear list members,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.10 RC-1.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> LiveCode 9.6.10 RC-1 comes with more than 20 bugfixes, including
>> support
>>>>>> for Android API 33, which will be a requirement for submitting new
>> apps
>>>> to
>>>>>> the Google Play Store as of the 31st of August.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> You can find more details on the bug fixes and improvements of this
>> new
>>>>>> release here:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> https://livecode.com/livecode-9-6-10-rc-1-released/
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> You can find the release in your LiveCode account area or get it via
>> the
>>>>>> automatic updater.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Enjoy!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Kind regards
>>>>>> The LiveCode Team
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>>> subscription preferences:
>>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>>>> 
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>>> subscription preferences:
>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>>> 
>>>> 
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>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>>> subscription preferences:
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>> subscription preferences:
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From tom at makeshyft.com  Thu Aug 17 14:46:43 2023
From: tom at makeshyft.com (Tom Glod)
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2023 14:46:43 -0400
Subject: xavvi - temper your expectations
In-Reply-To: <136C8206-6B98-4401-9CB7-4CD4B14CEA9F@m-r-d.de>
References: <CADCoycNP3n=CuJzfRJ7xZ+5AsGe6jzLFYwyur3EvAyD09-xshg@mail.gmail.com>
 <136C8206-6B98-4401-9CB7-4CD4B14CEA9F@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <CAPzQJLJtiNzkK=7s-xCjLWztviieOLcUoULrO313jhym3XpfKw@mail.gmail.com>

If I was integrating AI into livecode, I would train it on a higher level
api built for it, instead of letting it use Livecode Script willy nilly.
That would prevent the kinds of hallucinations that it has while trying to
write livecode script.
I suspect that Livecode has thought of this and has written and trained it
on an API less prone to these problems.


On Thu, Aug 10, 2023 at 3:32 PM matthias rebbe via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I thought Xavvi will make use of AI, but the use is not mandatory. So even
> without AI, XAVVI would be an online development tool which can deploy web
> apps and which also could import and export Livecode stacks.
>
>
>
> Am 10.08.2023 um 21:22 schrieb Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> >
> > i'm using chatgpt and bard, every day, because i can, and because
> > sometimes they give me more comprehensive things to think about.
> > but, they are wrong. a lot.
> > zdnet just published a piece, today, documenting the same thing: wrong
> >> 50% of the time.
> > so, temper your expectations for xavvi in the medium term:
> >
> https://www.zdnet.com/article/chatgpt-answers-more-than-half-of-software-engineering-questions-incorrectly/
> >
> > --
> > On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> > On the second day, God created the oceans.
> > On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
> >   and did a little diving.
> > And God said, "This is good."
> >
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From neville.smythe at optusnet.com.au  Thu Aug 17 21:05:29 2023
From: neville.smythe at optusnet.com.au (Neville Smythe)
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2023 11:05:29 +1000
Subject: Linux filenames in LC Server
Message-ID: <60945C1B-BA73-47BC-8825-FCBD68F9B457@optusnet.com.au>

Hi Matthias, I didn’t see your post until now. I did wonder if .htaccess could be used using Rewrite rules, but I couldn’t get my head around the documentation. 

So it’s good to know both methods work. We are running other apps on the website so I wonder a bit if setting the environment variables for everything running under apache might have some side effects, so I’ll stick with Mark’s launch script method.

Neville Smythe





From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Fri Aug 18 01:38:07 2023
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe)
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2023 07:38:07 +0200
Subject: Linux filenames in LC Server
In-Reply-To: <60945C1B-BA73-47BC-8825-FCBD68F9B457@optusnet.com.au>
References: <60945C1B-BA73-47BC-8825-FCBD68F9B457@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <4C698EAD-26AC-4D13-BBF2-2F2A96198A3B@m-r-d.de>

Neville,

The htaccess solution would also not harm other apps because the environment variable is only set when executing .lc files and they’re only used within that session. 

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

> Am 18.08.2023 um 03:07 schrieb Neville Smythe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Hi Matthias, I didn’t see your post until now. I did wonder if .htaccess could be used using Rewrite rules, but I couldn’t get my head around the documentation. 
> 
> So it’s good to know both methods work. We are running other apps on the website so I wonder a bit if setting the environment variables for everything running under apache might have some side effects, so I’ll stick with Mark’s launch script method.
> 
> Neville Smythe
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From dfe4 at cornell.edu  Fri Aug 18 12:03:44 2023
From: dfe4 at cornell.edu (David Epstein)
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2023 12:03:44 -0400
Subject: Detecting when resizeStack is completed
Message-ID: <F09F8164-2A68-45E8-BAC9-EE9402DDE282@cornell.edu>

How can I redraw objects after the user has resized the stack, but not continuously during the resize?  Releasing the mouse at the end of a resize does not appear to send a mouseUp message.

David Epstein

From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Aug 18 12:13:11 2023
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2023 16:13:11 +0000
Subject: Detecting when resizeStack is completed
In-Reply-To: <F09F8164-2A68-45E8-BAC9-EE9402DDE282@cornell.edu>
References: <F09F8164-2A68-45E8-BAC9-EE9402DDE282@cornell.edu>
Message-ID: <1430D38D-9538-495E-83CA-8BF93E26696D@iotecdigital.com>

Have you tried mouseStillDown?

Bob S


> On Aug 18, 2023, at 9:03 AM, David Epstein via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> How can I redraw objects after the user has resized the stack, but not continuously during the resize?  Releasing the mouse at the end of a resize does not appear to send a mouseUp message.
> 
> David Epstein
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Aug 18 12:14:53 2023
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2023 16:14:53 +0000
Subject: Detecting when resizeStack is completed
In-Reply-To: <1430D38D-9538-495E-83CA-8BF93E26696D@iotecdigital.com>
References: <F09F8164-2A68-45E8-BAC9-EE9402DDE282@cornell.edu>
 <1430D38D-9538-495E-83CA-8BF93E26696D@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <67ED45B5-6265-4CE2-BCA8-A8E99D3A091B@iotecdigital.com>

Or rather check if the mouse is down

Bob S


> On Aug 18, 2023, at 9:13 AM, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com> wrote:
> 
> Have you tried mouseStillDown?
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Aug 18, 2023, at 9:03 AM, David Epstein via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> How can I redraw objects after the user has resized the stack, but not continuously during the resize?  Releasing the mouse at the end of a resize does not appear to send a mouseUp message.
>> 
>> David Epstein
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From paul at researchware.com  Fri Aug 18 12:25:11 2023
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2023 12:25:11 -0400
Subject: Detecting when resizeStack is completed
In-Reply-To: <F09F8164-2A68-45E8-BAC9-EE9402DDE282@cornell.edu>
References: <F09F8164-2A68-45E8-BAC9-EE9402DDE282@cornell.edu>
Message-ID: <cbb709de-7831-7cf1-3070-123a2a343308@researchware.com>

On 8/18/2023 12:03 PM, David Epstein via use-livecode wrote:
> How can I redraw objects after the user has resized the stack, but not continuously during the resize?  Releasing the mouse at the end of a resize does not appear to send a mouseUp message.
>
>

after resizeStack
  -- actions you want to occur after
end resizeStack

Look at the "after" control structure in the Dictionary. I am NOT sure 
whether this will trigger after EACH resizeStack message (not what you 
want) OR only after the last resizeStack message (what you want), but it 
may be worth trying (I have not tried it myself)




From mark at livecode.com  Fri Aug 18 12:29:47 2023
From: mark at livecode.com (Mark Waddingham)
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2023 17:29:47 +0100
Subject: Detecting when resizeStack is completed
In-Reply-To: <F09F8164-2A68-45E8-BAC9-EE9402DDE282@cornell.edu>
References: <F09F8164-2A68-45E8-BAC9-EE9402DDE282@cornell.edu>
Message-ID: <22b27f1af72510aa5ff4bb932086ee51@livecode.com>

On 2023-08-18 17:03, David Epstein via use-livecode wrote:
> How can I redraw objects after the user has resized the stack, but not 
> continuously during the resize?  Releasing the mouse at the end of a 
> resize does not appear to send a mouseUp message.

Normal window resizing is handled by the OS, so doesn't generate mouse 
events.

One way to get close to what you request is to only relayout your 
objects if the user has not changed the size within a short period. 
Something like:
```
local sPendingResizeId
constant kResizeTimeout = 20

on resizeStack pWidth, pHeight
    /* If there is already a deferred request to resize then cancel. */
    if sPendingResizeId is not empty then
       cancel sPendingResizeId
    end if

    /* Defer the request to resize for a further period. */
    send "_doResizeStack pWidth, pHeight" to me in kResizeTimeout 
milliseconds
    put the result into sPendingResizeId
end resizeStack

on _doResizeStack pWidth, pHeight
    lock screen
    ... do relayout ...
    unlock screen
end _doResizeStack
```

This defers the relayout code until a resize stack message has not been 
sent for the timeout interval.

Warmest Regards,

Mark.

-- 
Mark Waddingham ~ mark at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
LiveCode: Build Amazing Things


From martyknappster at gmail.com  Fri Aug 18 14:20:19 2023
From: martyknappster at gmail.com (Marty Knapp)
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2023 11:20:19 -0700
Subject: Solved: Writing to Mac Application Support folder
In-Reply-To: <003fd44c-f5c0-cdbf-8865-f4722e83bdcd@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <2afdbfdd-2c31-d334-14ef-68b561e3a287@hyperactivesw.com>
 <E50BBA91-FEE2-4E94-A664-8650BD90E5E2@elementarysoftware.com>
 <583ff6d4-3def-d10f-66a8-e280bac8be05@hyperactivesw.com>
 <B7863B9E-3022-4627-A762-4283DA6F4392@elementarysoftware.com>
 <003fd44c-f5c0-cdbf-8865-f4722e83bdcd@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <D82AF52C-0CF9-4204-8E03-20568B8EE5BB@gmail.com>

As I’m now working to get an app ready for Sonoma, I’m wondering what the official resolution is to writing to both the “Preferences” folder and the “Application Support” folder. What I’m finding is that this question from Jacque is the last in this thread. Was there a response from Panos or Mark?

I will be dealing with existing customers upgrading to Sonoma as well as new customers and don’t want my inbox flooded with angry emails!

Marty

> On Jul 15, 2023, at 1:22 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Good approach. I assume if there is no file in Preferences, you write defaults directly to the container.
> 
> I got curious and looked at where LC stores its files. They do not have a container. It's mostly in Application Support, in a folder "RunRev" (there's also an older one there named "Runtime Revolution".) Some of the files were updated recently so it apparently still works. Now I wonder if there's another way to do this stuff.
> 
> I'd like some definitive info about this. @Panos? @Mark?
> 
> On 7/15/23 12:24 AM, scott--- via use-livecode wrote:
>> Thanks again, Jacque.
>> My solution for migrating preference files from the Preferences folder to the Container turned out to be quite simple but for some reason I spent a bunch of time pondering other more complicated methods. In the end I changed an existing function which returns a path to the preferences file and had it first look to see if a Container exists. If it doesn’t then it creates the Container but still returns the path to the original Preferences folder. (This works in my use case because the app's first call to this function will always be to “read” the preference file)  Now that the Container exists, all future calls to the function will return the Container path… and the original data, having been already loaded into the app, is ready to write to (and read from) the new Container location.
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> 



From dan at clearvisiontech.com  Fri Aug 18 16:32:57 2023
From: dan at clearvisiontech.com (Dan Friedman)
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2023 20:32:57 +0000
Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10 RC-1
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq9P4-3x7pJ+vEjN-HNRWjq+k9Y=4BU=Xy6FTSfRN0V6Aw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+JfEq9P4-3x7pJ+vEjN-HNRWjq+k9Y=4BU=Xy6FTSfRN0V6Aw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BYAPR12MB2709B0873413D082DC947D9DB91BA@BYAPR12MB2709.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>

Panos,

What about 10.0.0?  Is there an update coming?   I sure hope so… I’m going to be hosed if not.

-Dan


From: use-livecode <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com> on behalf of panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Date: Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 7:04 AM
To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Cc: panagiotis merakos <panos.merakos at livecode.com>
Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10 RC-1
Dear list members,

We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.10 RC-1.

LiveCode 9.6.10 RC-1 comes with more than 20 bugfixes, including support
for Android API 33, which will be a requirement for submitting new apps to
the Google Play Store as of the 31st of August.

You can find more details on the bug fixes and improvements of this new
release here:

https://livecode.com/livecode-9-6-10-rc-1-released/

You can find the release in your LiveCode account area or get it via the
automatic updater.

Enjoy!

Kind regards
The LiveCode Team
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From dsc at swcp.com  Fri Aug 18 16:45:25 2023
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2023 14:45:25 -0600
Subject: Group corners
Message-ID: <AA715BFF-8EF9-45DA-B081-07BEC7D53CAE@swcp.com>


If I turn off 3D for a group, the corners of the rectangle are weird. Advice? — Dar

From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Fri Aug 18 16:50:00 2023
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2023 22:50:00 +0200
Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10 RC-1
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR12MB2709B0873413D082DC947D9DB91BA@BYAPR12MB2709.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CA+JfEq9P4-3x7pJ+vEjN-HNRWjq+k9Y=4BU=Xy6FTSfRN0V6Aw@mail.gmail.com>
 <BYAPR12MB2709B0873413D082DC947D9DB91BA@BYAPR12MB2709.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <A53F7BEF-7605-4758-B515-F41DF73B4994@m-r-d.de>

On the 25th July Heather wrote the following:

"We are working on LiveCode 10 dp6. We expect it to ship in August, with support for Web Fonts plus a number of bug fixes. Web Fonts turned out to be rather trickier than expected but it looks like we've got it more or less sorted out now. 

If there are specific bugs in 10 dp-5 that are really problematic for you, its worth flagging them to me in support (not on the list) so I can at least find out for you if they will be fixed in dp-6. Please send me the bug report number from the Quality Center for checking. "




> Am 18.08.2023 um 22:32 schrieb Dan Friedman via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Panos,
> 
> What about 10.0.0?  Is there an update coming?   I sure hope so… I’m going to be hosed if not.
> 
> -Dan
> 
> 
> From: use-livecode <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com> on behalf of panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Date: Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 7:04 AM
> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Cc: panagiotis merakos <panos.merakos at livecode.com>
> Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10 RC-1
> Dear list members,
> 
> We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.10 RC-1.
> 
> LiveCode 9.6.10 RC-1 comes with more than 20 bugfixes, including support
> for Android API 33, which will be a requirement for submitting new apps to
> the Google Play Store as of the 31st of August.
> 
> You can find more details on the bug fixes and improvements of this new
> release here:
> 
> https://livecode.com/livecode-9-6-10-rc-1-released/
> 
> You can find the release in your LiveCode account area or get it via the
> automatic updater.
> 
> Enjoy!
> 
> Kind regards
> The LiveCode Team
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From merakosp at gmail.com  Fri Aug 18 17:05:03 2023
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis m)
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2023 00:05:03 +0300
Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10 RC-1
In-Reply-To: <A53F7BEF-7605-4758-B515-F41DF73B4994@m-r-d.de>
References: <CA+JfEq9P4-3x7pJ+vEjN-HNRWjq+k9Y=4BU=Xy6FTSfRN0V6Aw@mail.gmail.com>
 <BYAPR12MB2709B0873413D082DC947D9DB91BA@BYAPR12MB2709.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
 <A53F7BEF-7605-4758-B515-F41DF73B4994@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq86799=-40xP3kx1uMeWXHye-OkgD3H8BDLb4LOCSbNOA@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all,

Yes, the plan is to release LC 10 dp-6 before the end of the month, which
will include support for API 33 as well as all the other fixes/enhancements
of LC 9.6.10 rc1.

Cheers,
Panos

On Fri, 18 Aug 2023, 23:50 matthias rebbe via use-livecode, <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> On the 25th July Heather wrote the following:
>
> "We are working on LiveCode 10 dp6. We expect it to ship in August, with
> support for Web Fonts plus a number of bug fixes. Web Fonts turned out to
> be rather trickier than expected but it looks like we've got it more or
> less sorted out now.
>
> If there are specific bugs in 10 dp-5 that are really problematic for you,
> its worth flagging them to me in support (not on the list) so I can at
> least find out for you if they will be fixed in dp-6. Please send me the
> bug report number from the Quality Center for checking. "
>
>
>
>
> > Am 18.08.2023 um 22:32 schrieb Dan Friedman via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> >
> > Panos,
> >
> > What about 10.0.0?  Is there an update coming?   I sure hope so… I’m
> going to be hosed if not.
> >
> > -Dan
> >
> >
> > From: use-livecode <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com> on behalf of
> panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> > Date: Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 7:04 AM
> > To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> > Cc: panagiotis merakos <panos.merakos at livecode.com>
> > Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10 RC-1
> > Dear list members,
> >
> > We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.10 RC-1.
> >
> > LiveCode 9.6.10 RC-1 comes with more than 20 bugfixes, including support
> > for Android API 33, which will be a requirement for submitting new apps
> to
> > the Google Play Store as of the 31st of August.
> >
> > You can find more details on the bug fixes and improvements of this new
> > release here:
> >
> > https://livecode.com/livecode-9-6-10-rc-1-released/
> >
> > You can find the release in your LiveCode account area or get it via the
> > automatic updater.
> >
> > Enjoy!
> >
> > Kind regards
> > The LiveCode Team
> > --
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
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From tom at makeshyft.com  Fri Aug 18 21:12:58 2023
From: tom at makeshyft.com (Tom Glod)
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2023 21:12:58 -0400
Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10 RC-1
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq86799=-40xP3kx1uMeWXHye-OkgD3H8BDLb4LOCSbNOA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+JfEq9P4-3x7pJ+vEjN-HNRWjq+k9Y=4BU=Xy6FTSfRN0V6Aw@mail.gmail.com>
 <BYAPR12MB2709B0873413D082DC947D9DB91BA@BYAPR12MB2709.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
 <A53F7BEF-7605-4758-B515-F41DF73B4994@m-r-d.de>
 <CA+JfEq86799=-40xP3kx1uMeWXHye-OkgD3H8BDLb4LOCSbNOA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPzQJLJoOA8sVo4jpGKdZcmWq5AewLvkURrXJj4TReRyBqr9vQ@mail.gmail.com>

There are a few big ones in this update for me. Thanks.


On Fri, Aug 18, 2023 at 5:06 PM panagiotis m via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> Yes, the plan is to release LC 10 dp-6 before the end of the month, which
> will include support for API 33 as well as all the other fixes/enhancements
> of LC 9.6.10 rc1.
>
> Cheers,
> Panos
>
> On Fri, 18 Aug 2023, 23:50 matthias rebbe via use-livecode, <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > On the 25th July Heather wrote the following:
> >
> > "We are working on LiveCode 10 dp6. We expect it to ship in August, with
> > support for Web Fonts plus a number of bug fixes. Web Fonts turned out to
> > be rather trickier than expected but it looks like we've got it more or
> > less sorted out now.
> >
> > If there are specific bugs in 10 dp-5 that are really problematic for
> you,
> > its worth flagging them to me in support (not on the list) so I can at
> > least find out for you if they will be fixed in dp-6. Please send me the
> > bug report number from the Quality Center for checking. "
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > Am 18.08.2023 um 22:32 schrieb Dan Friedman via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> > >
> > > Panos,
> > >
> > > What about 10.0.0?  Is there an update coming?   I sure hope so… I’m
> > going to be hosed if not.
> > >
> > > -Dan
> > >
> > >
> > > From: use-livecode <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com> on behalf
> of
> > panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> > > Date: Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 7:04 AM
> > > To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> > > Cc: panagiotis merakos <panos.merakos at livecode.com>
> > > Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10 RC-1
> > > Dear list members,
> > >
> > > We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.10 RC-1.
> > >
> > > LiveCode 9.6.10 RC-1 comes with more than 20 bugfixes, including
> support
> > > for Android API 33, which will be a requirement for submitting new apps
> > to
> > > the Google Play Store as of the 31st of August.
> > >
> > > You can find more details on the bug fixes and improvements of this new
> > > release here:
> > >
> > > https://livecode.com/livecode-9-6-10-rc-1-released/
> > >
> > > You can find the release in your LiveCode account area or get it via
> the
> > > automatic updater.
> > >
> > > Enjoy!
> > >
> > > Kind regards
> > > The LiveCode Team
> > > --
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > use-livecode mailing list
> > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > subscription preferences:
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From andreas.bergendal at gmail.com  Sat Aug 19 11:37:30 2023
From: andreas.bergendal at gmail.com (Andreas Bergendal)
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2023 17:37:30 +0200
Subject: Regex negative lookahead not working in LC?
Message-ID: <8198ED98-7D84-4874-80FB-965632384373@gmail.com>

Hi all,

I’m trying to run a matchChunk regex on an LC script text, with the aim of scoring a hit only if a word is NOT commented out by one of the comment methods.

This regex works beautifully when tested in regex101.com (PCRE flavor):

(?i)^(?:(?!--|#|\/\/).)*\b(myHandler)\b

When applied on the text

command myOtherHandler
   # myHandler
  // myHandler
  -- myhandler
  notMyHandler
end myOtherHandler

it should score zero matches and it does.


When applied on the text

command myOtherHandler
   # myHandler
  // myHandler
  -- myhandler
   myHandler
end myOtherHandler

it should score 1 match and it does.

Applying the same regex in LC does NOT score any match in the latter example though.

Why? Doesn't negative lookahead work in LC? (v9.6.9 stable.)

Best,
Andreas

From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Aug 19 13:07:06 2023
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2023 12:07:06 -0500
Subject: Group corners
In-Reply-To: <AA715BFF-8EF9-45DA-B081-07BEC7D53CAE@swcp.com>
References: <AA715BFF-8EF9-45DA-B081-07BEC7D53CAE@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <18a0ec3c2a8.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>

Weird how? The corners should be right angles. Do you see something different?

--
Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
On August 18, 2023 3:47:34 PM Dar Scott via use-livecode 
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> If I turn off 3D for a group, the corners of the rectangle are weird. 
> Advice?  Dar
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Aug 19 13:24:57 2023
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2023 12:24:57 -0500
Subject: Regex negative lookahead not working in LC?
In-Reply-To: <8198ED98-7D84-4874-80FB-965632384373@gmail.com>
References: <8198ED98-7D84-4874-80FB-965632384373@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <18a0ed41e28.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>

Nope.
https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21534
--
Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
On August 19, 2023 10:39:52 AM Andreas Bergendal via use-livecode 
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> Why? Doesn't negative lookahead work in LC? (v9.6.9 stable.)





From andreas.bergendal at gmail.com  Sat Aug 19 14:17:43 2023
From: andreas.bergendal at gmail.com (Andreas Bergendal)
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2023 20:17:43 +0200
Subject: Regex negative lookahead not working in LC?
Message-ID: <0DB59228-0ADC-43B0-AFBE-DE0AC94CC457@gmail.com>

> Nope.
> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21534

Oh no! Well, cumbersome workaround it is then…
Thanks Jacque!


From fmoyer at aol.com  Sat Aug 19 14:32:09 2023
From: fmoyer at aol.com (FRED MOYER)
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2023 14:32:09 -0400
Subject: How to search this list
References: <AB54E0F9-AB9C-483F-AB8E-4539C29F365C.ref@aol.com>
Message-ID: <AB54E0F9-AB9C-483F-AB8E-4539C29F365C@aol.com>

It’s been a long time since I’ve used this list. I’m puzzled -- it says I can search the archives for this list at
	http://www.google.com/advanced_search?q=site:lists.runrev.com <http://www.google.com/advanced_search?q=site:lists.runrev.com>

If I search for something that I know is there (like “CharIndex” which was in some recent posts) it doesn’t find anything. 

In particular, I’m looking for information about keysdown — again no hits in that google search site.

Thanks for your help.

Fred Moyer






From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Sat Aug 19 15:42:26 2023
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2023 15:42:26 -0400
Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10 RC-1
In-Reply-To: <CAPzQJLJoOA8sVo4jpGKdZcmWq5AewLvkURrXJj4TReRyBqr9vQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+JfEq9P4-3x7pJ+vEjN-HNRWjq+k9Y=4BU=Xy6FTSfRN0V6Aw@mail.gmail.com>
 <BYAPR12MB2709B0873413D082DC947D9DB91BA@BYAPR12MB2709.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
 <A53F7BEF-7605-4758-B515-F41DF73B4994@m-r-d.de>
 <CA+JfEq86799=-40xP3kx1uMeWXHye-OkgD3H8BDLb4LOCSbNOA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAPzQJLJoOA8sVo4jpGKdZcmWq5AewLvkURrXJj4TReRyBqr9vQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycPXUy1DVsOhCNFSwHDawvTPm05ECu-+nV0sHCRt9KYPgA@mail.gmail.com>

but hold off on the xcode command line tools 14.3 update?

On Fri, Aug 18, 2023 at 9:14 PM Tom Glod via use-livecode
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> There are a few big ones in this update for me. Thanks.
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 18, 2023 at 5:06 PM panagiotis m via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > Hello all,
> >
> > Yes, the plan is to release LC 10 dp-6 before the end of the month, which
> > will include support for API 33 as well as all the other fixes/enhancements
> > of LC 9.6.10 rc1.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Panos
> >
> > On Fri, 18 Aug 2023, 23:50 matthias rebbe via use-livecode, <
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > > On the 25th July Heather wrote the following:
> > >
> > > "We are working on LiveCode 10 dp6. We expect it to ship in August, with
> > > support for Web Fonts plus a number of bug fixes. Web Fonts turned out to
> > > be rather trickier than expected but it looks like we've got it more or
> > > less sorted out now.
> > >
> > > If there are specific bugs in 10 dp-5 that are really problematic for
> > you,
> > > its worth flagging them to me in support (not on the list) so I can at
> > > least find out for you if they will be fixed in dp-6. Please send me the
> > > bug report number from the Quality Center for checking. "
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Am 18.08.2023 um 22:32 schrieb Dan Friedman via use-livecode <
> > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> > > >
> > > > Panos,
> > > >
> > > > What about 10.0.0?  Is there an update coming?   I sure hope so… I’m
> > > going to be hosed if not.
> > > >
> > > > -Dan
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: use-livecode <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com> on behalf
> > of
> > > panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> > > > Date: Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 7:04 AM
> > > > To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> > > > Cc: panagiotis merakos <panos.merakos at livecode.com>
> > > > Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10 RC-1
> > > > Dear list members,
> > > >
> > > > We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.10 RC-1.
> > > >
> > > > LiveCode 9.6.10 RC-1 comes with more than 20 bugfixes, including
> > support
> > > > for Android API 33, which will be a requirement for submitting new apps
> > > to
> > > > the Google Play Store as of the 31st of August.
> > > >
> > > > You can find more details on the bug fixes and improvements of this new
> > > > release here:
> > > >
> > > > https://livecode.com/livecode-9-6-10-rc-1-released/
> > > >
> > > > You can find the release in your LiveCode account area or get it via
> > the
> > > > automatic updater.
> > > >
> > > > Enjoy!
> > > >
> > > > Kind regards
> > > > The LiveCode Team
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sat Aug 19 16:36:57 2023
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2023 23:36:57 +0300
Subject: How to search this list
In-Reply-To: <AB54E0F9-AB9C-483F-AB8E-4539C29F365C@aol.com>
References: <AB54E0F9-AB9C-483F-AB8E-4539C29F365C.ref@aol.com>
 <AB54E0F9-AB9C-483F-AB8E-4539C29F365C@aol.com>
Message-ID: <9bff91a6-8761-489d-9b5d-1f0dfc493a89@gmail.com>

Well, I am a keysDown 'fan', so why not just explain what your problem 
is . . .

Richmond Mathewson

On 19.08.23 21:32, FRED MOYER via use-livecode wrote:
> Its been a long time since Ive used this list. Im puzzled -- it says I can search the archives for this list at
> 	http://www.google.com/advanced_search?q=site:lists.runrev.com <http://www.google.com/advanced_search?q=site:lists.runrev.com>
>
> If I search for something that I know is there (like CharIndex which was in some recent posts) it doesnt find anything.
>
> In particular, Im looking for information about keysdown  again no hits in that google search site.
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
> Fred Moyer
>
>
>
>
>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Aug 19 16:37:34 2023
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2023 15:37:34 -0500
Subject: How to search this list
In-Reply-To: <AB54E0F9-AB9C-483F-AB8E-4539C29F365C@aol.com>
References: <AB54E0F9-AB9C-483F-AB8E-4539C29F365C.ref@aol.com>
 <AB54E0F9-AB9C-483F-AB8E-4539C29F365C@aol.com>
Message-ID: <18a0f8476b0.276f.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>

I'm not sure why the Google search doesn't work, but I generally use this:
<https://www.mail-archive.com/use-livecode at lists.runrev.com/>

--
Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
On August 19, 2023 1:34:16 PM FRED MOYER via use-livecode 
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Its been a long time since Ive used this list. Im puzzled -- it says I 
> can search the archives for this list at
> 	http://www.google.com/advanced_search?q=site:lists.runrev.com 
> <http://www.google.com/advanced_search?q=site:lists.runrev.com>
>
> If I search for something that I know is there (like CharIndex which was 
> in some recent posts) it doesnt find anything.
>
> In particular, Im looking for information about keysdown  again no hits 
> in that google search site.
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
> Fred Moyer
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
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From tom at makeshyft.com  Sat Aug 19 16:57:44 2023
From: tom at makeshyft.com (Tom Glod)
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2023 16:57:44 -0400
Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10 RC-1
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycPXUy1DVsOhCNFSwHDawvTPm05ECu-+nV0sHCRt9KYPgA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+JfEq9P4-3x7pJ+vEjN-HNRWjq+k9Y=4BU=Xy6FTSfRN0V6Aw@mail.gmail.com>
 <BYAPR12MB2709B0873413D082DC947D9DB91BA@BYAPR12MB2709.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
 <A53F7BEF-7605-4758-B515-F41DF73B4994@m-r-d.de>
 <CA+JfEq86799=-40xP3kx1uMeWXHye-OkgD3H8BDLb4LOCSbNOA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAPzQJLJoOA8sVo4jpGKdZcmWq5AewLvkURrXJj4TReRyBqr9vQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CADCoycPXUy1DVsOhCNFSwHDawvTPm05ECu-+nV0sHCRt9KYPgA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPzQJLL2CHzgmMXLFE4YPLgA3P1jC1bpvKLcWN1KSa9u8oqehw@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

Does this mean we have JSON support in SQLite?

This is from the documentation.:

 In other words, the JSON functions went from being opt-in with SQLite
version 3.37.2 and earlier to opt-out with SQLite version 3.38.0 and later.

Are we keeping strict to the specifications of each SQLITE version?

From mark at livecode.com  Sun Aug 20 03:09:02 2023
From: mark at livecode.com (Mark Waddingham)
Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2023 08:09:02 +0100
Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10 RC-1
In-Reply-To: <CAPzQJLL2CHzgmMXLFE4YPLgA3P1jC1bpvKLcWN1KSa9u8oqehw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+JfEq9P4-3x7pJ+vEjN-HNRWjq+k9Y=4BU=Xy6FTSfRN0V6Aw@mail.gmail.com>
 <BYAPR12MB2709B0873413D082DC947D9DB91BA@BYAPR12MB2709.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
 <A53F7BEF-7605-4758-B515-F41DF73B4994@m-r-d.de>
 <CA+JfEq86799=-40xP3kx1uMeWXHye-OkgD3H8BDLb4LOCSbNOA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAPzQJLJoOA8sVo4jpGKdZcmWq5AewLvkURrXJj4TReRyBqr9vQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CADCoycPXUy1DVsOhCNFSwHDawvTPm05ECu-+nV0sHCRt9KYPgA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAPzQJLL2CHzgmMXLFE4YPLgA3P1jC1bpvKLcWN1KSa9u8oqehw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7e9e3b20bd90462d31408ac2f6c008ab@livecode.com>

On 2023-08-19 21:57, Tom Glod via use-livecode wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> Does this mean we have JSON support in SQLite?
> 
> This is from the documentation.:
> 
>  In other words, the JSON functions went from being opt-in with SQLite
> version 3.37.2 and earlier to opt-out with SQLite version 3.38.0 and 
> later.

The SQLite JSON support was included in dbsqlite in 9.0.3 - 
https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21821

Warmest Regards,

Mark.

-- 
Mark Waddingham ~ mark at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
LiveCode: Build Amazing Things


From roland.huettmann at gmail.com  Sun Aug 20 13:25:42 2023
From: roland.huettmann at gmail.com (R.H.)
Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2023 19:25:42 +0200
Subject: How to search this list
Message-ID: <CAG1Q0g_biS-kYRQ=iGaCymn_cuLXmi8Wg1cv_+FVAjx98o267w@mail.gmail.com>

I also can not use Google search. It finds nothing in the list. If Google
is not the culprit then it deserves a bug report.

From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Sun Aug 20 14:30:10 2023
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2023 20:30:10 +0200
Subject: How to search this list
In-Reply-To: <CAG1Q0g_biS-kYRQ=iGaCymn_cuLXmi8Wg1cv_+FVAjx98o267w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAG1Q0g_biS-kYRQ=iGaCymn_cuLXmi8Wg1cv_+FVAjx98o267w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <11F15409-DB68-4336-A47B-0BC95733F808@m-r-d.de>

I just tested and used

search livecode uselist

for a google search. The 6th result showed a link to the the--mail-archive which also has a complete archiv of this mailing list.



> Am 20.08.2023 um 19:25 schrieb R.H. via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> I also can not use Google search. It finds nothing in the list. If Google
> is not the culprit then it deserves a bug report.
> _______________________________________________
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From dsc at swcp.com  Sun Aug 20 20:50:34 2023
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2023 18:50:34 -0600
Subject: Group corners
In-Reply-To: <18a0ec3c2a8.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <AA715BFF-8EF9-45DA-B081-07BEC7D53CAE@swcp.com>
 <18a0ec3c2a8.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <247E8418-0CB7-4A79-9291-F251964E4212@swcp.com>

On Mac and LiveCode 9.6.9…

Make a new stack. Put a few controls on it. Group them.

Give the group a name

Set the border width to something like 10-15 so the effect is visible.

Turn off 3D. 
 
Turn on border.

Now, turn show name on and off. When show name is off, the border looks good. When on, the border is goofy.

On my machine, when show name is on, the border gets thinner, most times. The ends of the border near the name is split into two lengths. The corners are split and some of the splits are too short. There are gaps compared to the pretty border when show name is off.

Dar


> On Aug 19, 2023, at 11:07 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Weird how? The corners should be right angles. Do you see something different?
> 
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> On August 18, 2023 3:47:34 PM Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> If I turn off 3D for a group, the corners of the rectangle are weird. Advice? — Dar
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From alex at tweedly.net  Mon Aug 21 05:56:19 2023
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2023 10:56:19 +0100
Subject: Group corners
In-Reply-To: <247E8418-0CB7-4A79-9291-F251964E4212@swcp.com>
References: <AA715BFF-8EF9-45DA-B081-07BEC7D53CAE@swcp.com>
 <18a0ec3c2a8.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <247E8418-0CB7-4A79-9291-F251964E4212@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <c82c833d-114e-4c1c-a2c5-0f2fead3ba02@tweedly.net>

I see those kind of changes (10.0.0DP5, MacOS), but the border changes 
from solid black to black/white lines - with those 'splits' you described.

Alex.

On 21/08/2023 01:50, Dar Scott via use-livecode wrote:
> On Mac and LiveCode 9.6.9
>
> Make a new stack. Put a few controls on it. Group them.
>
> Give the group a name
>
> Set the border width to something like 10-15 so the effect is visible.
>
> Turn off 3D.
>   
> Turn on border.
>
> Now, turn show name on and off. When show name is off, the border looks good. When on, the border is goofy.
>
> On my machine, when show name is on, the border gets thinner, most times. The ends of the border near the name is split into two lengths. The corners are split and some of the splits are too short. There are gaps compared to the pretty border when show name is off.
>
> Dar
>
>
>> On Aug 19, 2023, at 11:07 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> Weird how? The corners should be right angles. Do you see something different?
>>
>> --
>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>> On August 18, 2023 3:47:34 PM Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>>> If I turn off 3D for a group, the corners of the rectangle are weird. Advice?  Dar
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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>>
>>
>>
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From mkoob at rogers.com  Mon Aug 21 07:03:32 2023
From: mkoob at rogers.com (Martin Koob)
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2023 07:03:32 -0400
Subject: How to search this list
In-Reply-To: <CAG1Q0g_biS-kYRQ=iGaCymn_cuLXmi8Wg1cv_+FVAjx98o267w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAG1Q0g_biS-kYRQ=iGaCymn_cuLXmi8Wg1cv_+FVAjx98o267w@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi

I followed the first few steps of the instructions on the following site.


https://www.wikihow.com/Use-Google-to-Search-Within-a-Specific-Website


 I tried this search term looking for mentions of ‘regex' in the search field of the google page not the search bar at the top.

site:http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-livecode/ regex

It returned 4 hits from the lists.  Doubt that is all of them but it is not that popular a topic

I tried then the search term ‘datagrid’  undoubtedly a more popular topic.

site:http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-livecode/ datagrid

It returned 5 hits.  I am sure that is only a small fraction.

So it kinda works  but  something is weird.   Maybe there is a parameter that sets the number of results.

Martin



> On Aug 20, 2023, at 1:25 PM, R.H. via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I also can not use Google search. It finds nothing in the list. If Google
> is not the culprit then it deserves a bug report.
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From dsc at swcp.com  Mon Aug 21 11:47:05 2023
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2023 09:47:05 -0600
Subject: Group corners
In-Reply-To: <c82c833d-114e-4c1c-a2c5-0f2fead3ba02@tweedly.net>
References: <AA715BFF-8EF9-45DA-B081-07BEC7D53CAE@swcp.com>
 <18a0ec3c2a8.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <247E8418-0CB7-4A79-9291-F251964E4212@swcp.com>
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Message-ID: <52792949-7B0F-4F38-BDBC-A3AE7F8C641A@swcp.com>

I sprinkled some colors over the different object colors. I can see more of what is happening that way. 

Show name off: The border grows outward. If 3D is off, it has the border color. If it is on it has the bevel colors: left and top are the bottom bevel, bottom and right have the top bevel.

Show name on: Again 3D changes whether the background is used for both bevel colors or the two bevel colors are used. In this case though, instead	of the whole outline having the above color pattern, the border lines, do. In addition the inside border grows **inward**, covering things. Also, a background stripe above and below the top line covers things. This might be the background of the label; I couldn’t figure out how to set the alpha of colors to test that, so I use the opaque check box. Even with opaque of, objects are obscured.

It looks as though instead of putting an appropriate sized label over the border for the name, the object puts the opaque label above the content and tries to draw a border on top of that. The drawing is the 3D drawing, lines have 3D, not the whole rectangle of the border. The only difference for turning off 3D is using border instead of the bevels. With 3D on, one can see what is happening. The outside line is much like without the show name half width, but with a little diagonal gap in the upper left. The inside line, grows inward :( and has gaps in the lines, including the line ends around the name label.

Some behavior depends on the order I check boxes. For some experiments clear all check boxes and then turn on some.

The behavior I would have hoped for is this:

* The border always grows outward.
* Adding the show name does not change the border or background; it just puts a label over it.
* The background is in the back and extends consistently to either the inside of the border, the middle of the border or outside edge of the border. The background for the name label is the same as that for the group including the opaque modifier, so a blip of background might extend above the top border. This is noticeable only with show name.
*  Except for a little blip around the label when opaque is on, nothing obscures the content region.
* The label border is tight.

A better way might be to crop out a hole in the current border and place the name label there with a transparent background. Or layer them behind the content, but above the background. 

So…

I don’t seem to be doing something wrong. I need to look for a workaround. 

Thoughts (all involving keeping show name off):

1. I could put a small-margin label into the grouped controls so it fits just inside the border in a consistent corner.

2 I can put an opaque label on top of my border. The background color might be chosen to be that of the named group or that of its parent. I would have to address moving the group. There might be 3 ways. a) Move the label by hand. b) Add a script to do that. c) Put both label and my group into another group, but then have to figure out “of” and “parent” in scripts.

3 Draw my own border and label as the group content. (However, something seems to be weird with my rectangles on Windows.)

4. Any ideas you folks have.

Dar

> On Aug 21, 2023, at 3:56 AM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I see those kind of changes (10.0.0DP5, MacOS), but the border changes from solid black to black/white lines - with those 'splits' you described.
> 
> Alex.
> 
> On 21/08/2023 01:50, Dar Scott via use-livecode wrote:
>> On Mac and LiveCode 9.6.9…
>> 
>> Make a new stack. Put a few controls on it. Group them.
>> 
>> Give the group a name
>> 
>> Set the border width to something like 10-15 so the effect is visible.
>> 
>> Turn off 3D.
>>  Turn on border.
>> 
>> Now, turn show name on and off. When show name is off, the border looks good. When on, the border is goofy.
>> 
>> On my machine, when show name is on, the border gets thinner, most times. The ends of the border near the name is split into two lengths. The corners are split and some of the splits are too short. There are gaps compared to the pretty border when show name is off.
>> 
>> Dar
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 19, 2023, at 11:07 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Weird how? The corners should be right angles. Do you see something different?
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>> On August 18, 2023 3:47:34 PM Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> If I turn off 3D for a group, the corners of the rectangle are weird. Advice? — Dar
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From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Mon Aug 21 12:09:20 2023
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2023 17:09:20 +0100
Subject: No progress updates on LC 10. Am i the only one who is concerned?
In-Reply-To: <53887cdf-9bf4-4534-0741-ab08156b180b@cogapp.com>
References: <8F7D10FF-1B32-4177-BFDC-7CEE721ACF8A@m-r-d.de>
 <13ec553f-f7ef-8fb7-42b5-77e6205cec4b@cogapp.com>
 <CAKCLKtouxq+aXSTuAmrygOS=X_y9E0RJtCRnjO=1VOwburVTcw@mail.gmail.com>
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 <53887cdf-9bf4-4534-0741-ab08156b180b@cogapp.com>
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Sad update: it's just happened to me again, with Bracket Completion switched 
off. I literally checked just before starting to type the format statement; 
after it crashed and I relaunched 10.0.0.dp5, I checked again. It was still 
switched off.

I see that the bug is marked awaiting release - but it's not mentioned in the 
release notes for 10.0.0dp6.

:-(


On 26/07/2023 09:58, Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode wrote:
> Oooh - I hadn't spotted that. (With only a little bit of fear) I'll venture 
> back into 10dp5 and turn that off. Thanks Geoff!
> 
> On 26/07/2023 03:49, Geoff Canyon via use-livecode wrote:
>> So, not to be too much of an apologist, but the issue doesn't seem like a
>> showstopper to me.
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 25, 2023 at 10:36AM Dick Kriesel via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 11:37 AM, Geoff Canyon via use-livecode <
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Maybe a silly question, but that issue lists "turn on bracket completion"
>>>> as a step to reproduce. If bracket completion is off, is it safe?
>>>
>>> Hi, Geoff. I filed the report. With bracket completion off, I saw no such
>>> problem.
>>>  Dick
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From dsc at swcp.com  Mon Aug 21 12:50:37 2023
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2023 10:50:37 -0600
Subject: Group corners
In-Reply-To: <52792949-7B0F-4F38-BDBC-A3AE7F8C641A@swcp.com>
References: <AA715BFF-8EF9-45DA-B081-07BEC7D53CAE@swcp.com>
 <18a0ec3c2a8.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <247E8418-0CB7-4A79-9291-F251964E4212@swcp.com>
 <c82c833d-114e-4c1c-a2c5-0f2fead3ba02@tweedly.net>
 <52792949-7B0F-4F38-BDBC-A3AE7F8C641A@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <1CFAF166-6813-4FBA-94E1-59C0CAD2FD2E@swcp.com>

For now, I’m using a temporary solution: I am setting the border width to 1. That might become a long-term workaround. — Dar


> On Aug 21, 2023, at 9:47 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I sprinkled some colors over the different object colors. I can see more of what is happening that way. 
> 
> Show name off: The border grows outward. If 3D is off, it has the border color. If it is on it has the bevel colors: left and top are the bottom bevel, bottom and right have the top bevel.
> 
> Show name on: Again 3D changes whether the background is used for both bevel colors or the two bevel colors are used. In this case though, instead	of the whole outline having the above color pattern, the border lines, do. In addition the inside border grows **inward**, covering things. Also, a background stripe above and below the top line covers things. This might be the background of the label; I couldn’t figure out how to set the alpha of colors to test that, so I use the opaque check box. Even with opaque of, objects are obscured.
> 
> It looks as though instead of putting an appropriate sized label over the border for the name, the object puts the opaque label above the content and tries to draw a border on top of that. The drawing is the 3D drawing, lines have 3D, not the whole rectangle of the border. The only difference for turning off 3D is using border instead of the bevels. With 3D on, one can see what is happening. The outside line is much like without the show name half width, but with a little diagonal gap in the upper left. The inside line, grows inward :( and has gaps in the lines, including the line ends around the name label.
> 
> Some behavior depends on the order I check boxes. For some experiments clear all check boxes and then turn on some.
> 
> The behavior I would have hoped for is this:
> 
> * The border always grows outward.
> * Adding the show name does not change the border or background; it just puts a label over it.
> * The background is in the back and extends consistently to either the inside of the border, the middle of the border or outside edge of the border. The background for the name label is the same as that for the group including the opaque modifier, so a blip of background might extend above the top border. This is noticeable only with show name.
> *  Except for a little blip around the label when opaque is on, nothing obscures the content region.
> * The label border is tight.
> 
> A better way might be to crop out a hole in the current border and place the name label there with a transparent background. Or layer them behind the content, but above the background. 
> 
> So…
> 
> I don’t seem to be doing something wrong. I need to look for a workaround. 
> 
> Thoughts (all involving keeping show name off):
> 
> 1. I could put a small-margin label into the grouped controls so it fits just inside the border in a consistent corner.
> 
> 2 I can put an opaque label on top of my border. The background color might be chosen to be that of the named group or that of its parent. I would have to address moving the group. There might be 3 ways. a) Move the label by hand. b) Add a script to do that. c) Put both label and my group into another group, but then have to figure out “of” and “parent” in scripts.
> 
> 3 Draw my own border and label as the group content. (However, something seems to be weird with my rectangles on Windows.)
> 
> 4. Any ideas you folks have.
> 
> Dar
> 
>> On Aug 21, 2023, at 3:56 AM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I see those kind of changes (10.0.0DP5, MacOS), but the border changes from solid black to black/white lines - with those 'splits' you described.
>> 
>> Alex.
>> 
>> On 21/08/2023 01:50, Dar Scott via use-livecode wrote:
>>> On Mac and LiveCode 9.6.9…
>>> 
>>> Make a new stack. Put a few controls on it. Group them.
>>> 
>>> Give the group a name
>>> 
>>> Set the border width to something like 10-15 so the effect is visible.
>>> 
>>> Turn off 3D.
>>> Turn on border.
>>> 
>>> Now, turn show name on and off. When show name is off, the border looks good. When on, the border is goofy.
>>> 
>>> On my machine, when show name is on, the border gets thinner, most times. The ends of the border near the name is split into two lengths. The corners are split and some of the splits are too short. There are gaps compared to the pretty border when show name is off.
>>> 
>>> Dar
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 19, 2023, at 11:07 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Weird how? The corners should be right angles. Do you see something different?
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>>> On August 18, 2023 3:47:34 PM Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> If I turn off 3D for a group, the corners of the rectangle are weird. Advice? — Dar
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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>>>> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Aug 21 12:58:42 2023
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2023 16:58:42 +0000
Subject: Group corners
In-Reply-To: <1CFAF166-6813-4FBA-94E1-59C0CAD2FD2E@swcp.com>
References: <AA715BFF-8EF9-45DA-B081-07BEC7D53CAE@swcp.com>
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Another thing you can do is draw the “border” the way you want in a graphic app with an alpha channel for whatever you want to be transparent. Then import that image and place it behind whatever you want a border around. Be sure to set the quality to best. If you need the “border” to change, create multiple graphics, then set the source of the image accordingly. 

Bob S


> On Aug 21, 2023, at 9:50 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> For now, I’m using a temporary solution: I am setting the border width to 1. That might become a long-term workaround. — Dar
> 
> 
>> On Aug 21, 2023, at 9:47 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I sprinkled some colors over the different object colors. I can see more of what is happening that way. 
>> 
>> Show name off: The border grows outward. If 3D is off, it has the border color. If it is on it has the bevel colors: left and top are the bottom bevel, bottom and right have the top bevel.
>> 
>> Show name on: Again 3D changes whether the background is used for both bevel colors or the two bevel colors are used. In this case though, instead	of the whole outline having the above color pattern, the border lines, do. In addition the inside border grows **inward**, covering things. Also, a background stripe above and below the top line covers things. This might be the background of the label; I couldn’t figure out how to set the alpha of colors to test that, so I use the opaque check box. Even with opaque of, objects are obscured.
>> 
>> It looks as though instead of putting an appropriate sized label over the border for the name, the object puts the opaque label above the content and tries to draw a border on top of that. The drawing is the 3D drawing, lines have 3D, not the whole rectangle of the border. The only difference for turning off 3D is using border instead of the bevels. With 3D on, one can see what is happening. The outside line is much like without the show name half width, but with a little diagonal gap in the upper left. The inside line, grows inward :( and has gaps in the lines, including the line ends around the name label.
>> 
>> Some behavior depends on the order I check boxes. For some experiments clear all check boxes and then turn on some.
>> 
>> The behavior I would have hoped for is this:
>> 
>> * The border always grows outward.
>> * Adding the show name does not change the border or background; it just puts a label over it.
>> * The background is in the back and extends consistently to either the inside of the border, the middle of the border or outside edge of the border. The background for the name label is the same as that for the group including the opaque modifier, so a blip of background might extend above the top border. This is noticeable only with show name.
>> *  Except for a little blip around the label when opaque is on, nothing obscures the content region.
>> * The label border is tight.
>> 
>> A better way might be to crop out a hole in the current border and place the name label there with a transparent background. Or layer them behind the content, but above the background. 
>> 
>> So…
>> 
>> I don’t seem to be doing something wrong. I need to look for a workaround. 
>> 
>> Thoughts (all involving keeping show name off):
>> 
>> 1. I could put a small-margin label into the grouped controls so it fits just inside the border in a consistent corner.
>> 
>> 2 I can put an opaque label on top of my border. The background color might be chosen to be that of the named group or that of its parent. I would have to address moving the group. There might be 3 ways. a) Move the label by hand. b) Add a script to do that. c) Put both label and my group into another group, but then have to figure out “of” and “parent” in scripts.
>> 
>> 3 Draw my own border and label as the group content. (However, something seems to be weird with my rectangles on Windows.)
>> 
>> 4. Any ideas you folks have.
>> 
>> Dar
>> 
>>> On Aug 21, 2023, at 3:56 AM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I see those kind of changes (10.0.0DP5, MacOS), but the border changes from solid black to black/white lines - with those 'splits' you described.
>>> 
>>> Alex.
>>> 
>>> On 21/08/2023 01:50, Dar Scott via use-livecode wrote:
>>>> On Mac and LiveCode 9.6.9…
>>>> 
>>>> Make a new stack. Put a few controls on it. Group them.
>>>> 
>>>> Give the group a name
>>>> 
>>>> Set the border width to something like 10-15 so the effect is visible.
>>>> 
>>>> Turn off 3D.
>>>> Turn on border.
>>>> 
>>>> Now, turn show name on and off. When show name is off, the border looks good. When on, the border is goofy.
>>>> 
>>>> On my machine, when show name is on, the border gets thinner, most times. The ends of the border near the name is split into two lengths. The corners are split and some of the splits are too short. There are gaps compared to the pretty border when show name is off.
>>>> 
>>>> Dar
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Aug 19, 2023, at 11:07 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Weird how? The corners should be right angles. Do you see something different?
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>>>> On August 18, 2023 3:47:34 PM Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> If I turn off 3D for a group, the corners of the rectangle are weird. Advice? — Dar
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Aug 21 18:07:21 2023
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2023 17:07:21 -0500
Subject: Group corners
In-Reply-To: <1CFAF166-6813-4FBA-94E1-59C0CAD2FD2E@swcp.com>
References: <AA715BFF-8EF9-45DA-B081-07BEC7D53CAE@swcp.com>
 <18a0ec3c2a8.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <247E8418-0CB7-4A79-9291-F251964E4212@swcp.com>
 <c82c833d-114e-4c1c-a2c5-0f2fead3ba02@tweedly.net>
 <52792949-7B0F-4F38-BDBC-A3AE7F8C641A@swcp.com>
 <1CFAF166-6813-4FBA-94E1-59C0CAD2FD2E@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <3ee55d42-7222-ed9e-76fb-8a8119b2e7b5@hyperactivesw.com>

On 8/21/23 11:50 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode wrote:
> For now, I’m using a temporary solution: I am setting the border width to 1. That might become a long-term workaround.

I can reproduce your results. Weird thing: if I leave showName and showBorder on, and set the 
borderWidth to 4, and then turn on 3D I get a nice clean gray-ish border without any splits or 
lines.

Tested in LC 9.6.10 RC 1.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Aug 21 18:36:20 2023
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2023 22:36:20 +0000
Subject: Group corners
In-Reply-To: <3ee55d42-7222-ed9e-76fb-8a8119b2e7b5@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <AA715BFF-8EF9-45DA-B081-07BEC7D53CAE@swcp.com>
 <18a0ec3c2a8.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <247E8418-0CB7-4A79-9291-F251964E4212@swcp.com>
 <c82c833d-114e-4c1c-a2c5-0f2fead3ba02@tweedly.net>
 <52792949-7B0F-4F38-BDBC-A3AE7F8C641A@swcp.com>
 <1CFAF166-6813-4FBA-94E1-59C0CAD2FD2E@swcp.com>
 <3ee55d42-7222-ed9e-76fb-8a8119b2e7b5@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <744C1C8D-F279-48AE-A73D-1935EE9BFD04@iotecdigital.com>

Oh right! You can’t have 3D with a 1 pixel border, can you?? I missed that. 

Bob S


> On Aug 21, 2023, at 3:07 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> On 8/21/23 11:50 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode wrote:
>> For now, I’m using a temporary solution: I am setting the border width to 1. That might become a long-term workaround.
> 
> I can reproduce your results. Weird thing: if I leave showName and showBorder on, and set the borderWidth to 4, and then turn on 3D I get a nice clean gray-ish border without any splits or lines.
> 
> Tested in LC 9.6.10 RC 1.
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> 
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Aug 21 21:44:17 2023
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2023 20:44:17 -0500
Subject: Group corners
In-Reply-To: <744C1C8D-F279-48AE-A73D-1935EE9BFD04@iotecdigital.com>
References: <AA715BFF-8EF9-45DA-B081-07BEC7D53CAE@swcp.com>
 <18a0ec3c2a8.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <247E8418-0CB7-4A79-9291-F251964E4212@swcp.com>
 <c82c833d-114e-4c1c-a2c5-0f2fead3ba02@tweedly.net>
 <52792949-7B0F-4F38-BDBC-A3AE7F8C641A@swcp.com>
 <1CFAF166-6813-4FBA-94E1-59C0CAD2FD2E@swcp.com>
 <3ee55d42-7222-ed9e-76fb-8a8119b2e7b5@hyperactivesw.com>
 <744C1C8D-F279-48AE-A73D-1935EE9BFD04@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <18a1ae9fd68.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>

Right, but the weird thing is that with a 4-pixel border and 3d, it isn't 
3d. It's a plain gray border with the label appropriately placed. Three 
pixels works about the same.

--
Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
On August 21, 2023 5:38:26 PM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Oh right! You cant have 3D with a 1 pixel border, can you?? I missed that.
>
> Bob S
>
>
>> On Aug 21, 2023, at 3:07 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> On 8/21/23 11:50 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode wrote:
>>> For now, Im using a temporary solution: I am setting the border width to 
>>> 1. That might become a long-term workaround.
>>
>> I can reproduce your results. Weird thing: if I leave showName and 
>> showBorder on, and set the borderWidth to 4, and then turn on 3D I get a 
>> nice clean gray-ish border without any splits or lines.
>>
>> Tested in LC 9.6.10 RC 1.
>>
>> --
>> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>
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>> subscription preferences:
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From fmoyer at aol.com  Mon Aug 21 23:05:52 2023
From: fmoyer at aol.com (FRED MOYER)
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2023 23:05:52 -0400
Subject: use-livecode Digest, Vol 239, Issue 22
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1692547201.136867.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.1.1692547201.136867.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <AB657832-A972-449E-A9E9-288965D2F410@aol.com>

Thanks everyone for the answers. I think I’m ok with keysdown now — just needed to sort a few things out.

Fred



> On Aug 20, 2023, at 12:00 PM, use-livecode-request at lists.runrev.com wrote:
> 
> Message: 6
> Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2023 23:36:57 +0300
> From: Richmond Mathewson <richmondmathewson at gmail.com <mailto:richmondmathewson at gmail.com>>
> To: FRED MOYER via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>>
> Subject: Re: How to search this list
> Message-ID: <9bff91a6-8761-489d-9b5d-1f0dfc493a89 at gmail.com <mailto:9bff91a6-8761-489d-9b5d-1f0dfc493a89 at gmail.com>>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
> 
> Well, I am a keysDown 'fan', so why not just explain what your problem 
> is . . .
> 
> Richmond Mathewson
> 
> On 19.08.23 21:32, FRED MOYER via use-livecode wrote:
>> It?s been a long time since I?ve used this list. I?m puzzled -- it says I can search the archives for this list at
>> 	http://www.google.com/advanced_search?q=site:lists.runrev.com <http://www.google.com/advanced_search?q=site:lists.runrev.com> <http://www.google.com/advanced_search?q=site:lists.runrev.com <http://www.google.com/advanced_search?q=site:lists.runrev.com>>
>> 
>> If I search for something that I know is there (like ?CharIndex? which was in some recent posts) it doesn?t find anything.
>> 
>> In particular, I?m looking for information about keysdown ? again no hits in that google search site.
>> 
>> Thanks for your help.
>> 
>> Fred Moyer
>> 


From dsc at swcp.com  Tue Aug 22 09:05:56 2023
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2023 07:05:56 -0600
Subject: Group corners
In-Reply-To: <18a1ae9fd68.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <AA715BFF-8EF9-45DA-B081-07BEC7D53CAE@swcp.com>
 <18a0ec3c2a8.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <247E8418-0CB7-4A79-9291-F251964E4212@swcp.com>
 <c82c833d-114e-4c1c-a2c5-0f2fead3ba02@tweedly.net>
 <52792949-7B0F-4F38-BDBC-A3AE7F8C641A@swcp.com>
 <1CFAF166-6813-4FBA-94E1-59C0CAD2FD2E@swcp.com>
 <3ee55d42-7222-ed9e-76fb-8a8119b2e7b5@hyperactivesw.com>
 <744C1C8D-F279-48AE-A73D-1935EE9BFD04@iotecdigital.com>
 <18a1ae9fd68.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <674F8AAF-5F4C-42C1-831C-C51B384C4D6A@swcp.com>

Yeah, the order of things seem to make a difference. It is sometimes hard to do deltas. My lazy programming style is to rebuild GUI features based on the current state whenever there is a change, and then look closer if that gets slow. 

> On Aug 21, 2023, at 7:44 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Right, but the weird thing is that with a 4-pixel border and 3d, it isn't 3d. It's a plain gray border with the label appropriately placed. Three pixels works about the same.
> 
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> On August 21, 2023 5:38:26 PM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> Oh right! You can’t have 3D with a 1 pixel border, can you?? I missed that.
>> 
>> Bob S
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 21, 2023, at 3:07 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 8/21/23 11:50 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode wrote:
>>>> For now, I’m using a temporary solution: I am setting the border width to 1. That might become a long-term workaround.
>>> 
>>> I can reproduce your results. Weird thing: if I leave showName and showBorder on, and set the borderWidth to 4, and then turn on 3D I get a nice clean gray-ish border without any splits or lines.
>>> 
>>> Tested in LC 9.6.10 RC 1.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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From dsc at swcp.com  Tue Aug 22 12:57:20 2023
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2023 10:57:20 -0600
Subject: Behaviors
Message-ID: <E8D646E0-E712-47F1-9976-C86F2C5C7AA5@swcp.com>


I am misremembering things about Behaviors.

I have a card with my behavior buttons, but I can’t seem to point to buttons on that card. Maybe, I’m remembering what I did long ago with front scripts. 

I suppose I can use substacks, but I’m worried that the stacks would be in the message path. Is there a way to keep the stack out of the message path?

From alex at tweedly.net  Tue Aug 22 13:09:08 2023
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2023 18:09:08 +0100
Subject: Behaviors
In-Reply-To: <E8D646E0-E712-47F1-9976-C86F2C5C7AA5@swcp.com>
References: <E8D646E0-E712-47F1-9976-C86F2C5C7AA5@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <6a88a801-283f-4b5f-86b0-77e44f57d7da@tweedly.net>

Not sure how it works in the IDE - seems a problem because it only 
presents button in the current stack.

So I do it all in preOpen... scripts, doing something like

> set the behavior of fld "F" of grp tmpName to the long id of button 
> "RichTextFieldBehaviour" of \
>          card "Behaviours" of stack "/Users/alextweedly/Dropbox/My 
> Livecode/Libraries/richText.livecode"

Alex.

On 22/08/2023 17:57, Dar Scott via use-livecode wrote:
> I am misremembering things about Behaviors.
>
> I have a card with my behavior buttons, but I cant seem to point to buttons on that card. Maybe, Im remembering what I did long ago with front scripts.
>
> I suppose I can use substacks, but Im worried that the stacks would be in the message path. Is there a way to keep the stack out of the message path?
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From dsc at swcp.com  Tue Aug 22 13:12:06 2023
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2023 11:12:06 -0600
Subject: Group corners
In-Reply-To: <674F8AAF-5F4C-42C1-831C-C51B384C4D6A@swcp.com>
References: <AA715BFF-8EF9-45DA-B081-07BEC7D53CAE@swcp.com>
 <18a0ec3c2a8.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <247E8418-0CB7-4A79-9291-F251964E4212@swcp.com>
 <c82c833d-114e-4c1c-a2c5-0f2fead3ba02@tweedly.net>
 <52792949-7B0F-4F38-BDBC-A3AE7F8C641A@swcp.com>
 <1CFAF166-6813-4FBA-94E1-59C0CAD2FD2E@swcp.com>
 <3ee55d42-7222-ed9e-76fb-8a8119b2e7b5@hyperactivesw.com>
 <744C1C8D-F279-48AE-A73D-1935EE9BFD04@iotecdigital.com>
 <18a1ae9fd68.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <674F8AAF-5F4C-42C1-831C-C51B384C4D6A@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <84FAB4BF-3B26-48CE-BBDD-854C224A9FF1@swcp.com>

Arg. There is a pixel missing in the upper left corner even when the border width is 1. — Dar

> On Aug 22, 2023, at 7:05 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Yeah, the order of things seem to make a difference. It is sometimes hard to do deltas. My lazy programming style is to rebuild GUI features based on the current state whenever there is a change, and then look closer if that gets slow. 
> 
>> On Aug 21, 2023, at 7:44 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Right, but the weird thing is that with a 4-pixel border and 3d, it isn't 3d. It's a plain gray border with the label appropriately placed. Three pixels works about the same.
>> 
>> --
>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>> On August 21, 2023 5:38:26 PM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Oh right! You can’t have 3D with a 1 pixel border, can you?? I missed that.
>>> 
>>> Bob S
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 21, 2023, at 3:07 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> On 8/21/23 11:50 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode wrote:
>>>>> For now, I’m using a temporary solution: I am setting the border width to 1. That might become a long-term workaround.
>>>> 
>>>> I can reproduce your results. Weird thing: if I leave showName and showBorder on, and set the borderWidth to 4, and then turn on 3D I get a nice clean gray-ish border without any splits or lines.
>>>> 
>>>> Tested in LC 9.6.10 RC 1.
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>>> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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From dsc at swcp.com  Tue Aug 22 13:36:36 2023
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2023 11:36:36 -0600
Subject: Behaviors
In-Reply-To: <6a88a801-283f-4b5f-86b0-77e44f57d7da@tweedly.net>
References: <E8D646E0-E712-47F1-9976-C86F2C5C7AA5@swcp.com>
 <6a88a801-283f-4b5f-86b0-77e44f57d7da@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <77958622-E960-4C90-97CC-AE3FC21CF1D7@swcp.com>

I figured out how to do it in the IDE. I needed to include “of stack” in the reference. — Dar

> On Aug 22, 2023, at 11:09 AM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Not sure how it works in the IDE - seems a problem because it only presents button in the current stack.
> 
> So I do it all in preOpen... scripts, doing something like
> 
>> set the behavior of fld "F" of grp tmpName to the long id of button "RichTextFieldBehaviour" of \
>>          card "Behaviours" of stack "/Users/alextweedly/Dropbox/My Livecode/Libraries/richText.livecode"
> 
> Alex.
> 
> On 22/08/2023 17:57, Dar Scott via use-livecode wrote:
>> I am misremembering things about Behaviors.
>> 
>> I have a card with my behavior buttons, but I can’t seem to point to buttons on that card. Maybe, I’m remembering what I did long ago with front scripts.
>> 
>> I suppose I can use substacks, but I’m worried that the stacks would be in the message path. Is there a way to keep the stack out of the message path?
>> _______________________________________________
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From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Tue Aug 22 15:05:03 2023
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2023 15:05:03 -0400
Subject: Behaviors
In-Reply-To: <77958622-E960-4C90-97CC-AE3FC21CF1D7@swcp.com>
References: <E8D646E0-E712-47F1-9976-C86F2C5C7AA5@swcp.com>
 <6a88a801-283f-4b5f-86b0-77e44f57d7da@tweedly.net>
 <77958622-E960-4C90-97CC-AE3FC21CF1D7@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycOv-mbthFW+B+Y5SaniFu5CM6cjmyPwQNJxGPFA_DHsPA@mail.gmail.com>

you probably know this: in the property inspector, there's a panel for
behavior, so you can just select the behavior from a menu button,
without having to type it

On Tue, Aug 22, 2023 at 1:37 PM Dar Scott via use-livecode
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> I figured out how to do it in the IDE. I needed to include “of stack” in the reference. — Dar
>
> > On Aug 22, 2023, at 11:09 AM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Not sure how it works in the IDE - seems a problem because it only presents button in the current stack.
> >
> > So I do it all in preOpen... scripts, doing something like
> >
> >> set the behavior of fld "F" of grp tmpName to the long id of button "RichTextFieldBehaviour" of \
> >>          card "Behaviours" of stack "/Users/alextweedly/Dropbox/My Livecode/Libraries/richText.livecode"
> >
> > Alex.
> >
> > On 22/08/2023 17:57, Dar Scott via use-livecode wrote:
> >> I am misremembering things about Behaviors.
> >>
> >> I have a card with my behavior buttons, but I can’t seem to point to buttons on that card. Maybe, I’m remembering what I did long ago with front scripts.
> >>
> >> I suppose I can use substacks, but I’m worried that the stacks would be in the message path. Is there a way to keep the stack out of the message path?
> >> _______________________________________________
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Aug 22 16:08:58 2023
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2023 15:08:58 -0500
Subject: Group corners
In-Reply-To: <84FAB4BF-3B26-48CE-BBDD-854C224A9FF1@swcp.com>
References: <AA715BFF-8EF9-45DA-B081-07BEC7D53CAE@swcp.com>
 <18a0ec3c2a8.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <247E8418-0CB7-4A79-9291-F251964E4212@swcp.com>
 <c82c833d-114e-4c1c-a2c5-0f2fead3ba02@tweedly.net>
 <52792949-7B0F-4F38-BDBC-A3AE7F8C641A@swcp.com>
 <1CFAF166-6813-4FBA-94E1-59C0CAD2FD2E@swcp.com>
 <3ee55d42-7222-ed9e-76fb-8a8119b2e7b5@hyperactivesw.com>
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It's probably about time to submit a bug report. The behavior we see isn't expected. 
<https://quality.livecode.com>


On 8/22/23 12:12 PM, Dar Scott via use-livecode wrote:
> Arg. There is a pixel missing in the upper left corner even when the border width is 1. — Dar
> 
>> On Aug 22, 2023, at 7:05 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> Yeah, the order of things seem to make a difference. It is sometimes hard to do deltas. My lazy programming style is to rebuild GUI features based on the current state whenever there is a change, and then look closer if that gets slow.
>>
>>> On Aug 21, 2023, at 7:44 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Right, but the weird thing is that with a 4-pixel border and 3d, it isn't 3d. It's a plain gray border with the label appropriately placed. Three pixels works about the same.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>> On August 21, 2023 5:38:26 PM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Oh right! You can’t have 3D with a 1 pixel border, can you?? I missed that.
>>>>
>>>> Bob S
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 21, 2023, at 3:07 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On 8/21/23 11:50 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode wrote:
>>>>>> For now, I’m using a temporary solution: I am setting the border width to 1. That might become a long-term workaround.
>>>>>
>>>>> I can reproduce your results. Weird thing: if I leave showName and showBorder on, and set the borderWidth to 4, and then turn on 3D I get a nice clean gray-ish border without any splits or lines.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tested in LC 9.6.10 RC 1.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From tom at makeshyft.com  Tue Aug 22 16:43:28 2023
From: tom at makeshyft.com (Tom Glod)
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2023 16:43:28 -0400
Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10 RC-1
In-Reply-To: <7e9e3b20bd90462d31408ac2f6c008ab@livecode.com>
References: <CA+JfEq9P4-3x7pJ+vEjN-HNRWjq+k9Y=4BU=Xy6FTSfRN0V6Aw@mail.gmail.com>
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Interesting, when I tried to use them recently they didn't work.
Will test again, maybe it was my bad, thanks Mark.

On Sun, Aug 20, 2023 at 3:09 AM Mark Waddingham via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> On 2023-08-19 21:57, Tom Glod via use-livecode wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > Does this mean we have JSON support in SQLite?
> >
> > This is from the documentation.:
> >
> >  In other words, the JSON functions went from being opt-in with SQLite
> > version 3.37.2 and earlier to opt-out with SQLite version 3.38.0 and
> > later.
>
> The SQLite JSON support was included in dbsqlite in 9.0.3 -
> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21821
>
> Warmest Regards,
>
> Mark.
>
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From paul at researchware.com  Tue Aug 22 17:02:10 2023
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2023 17:02:10 -0400
Subject: Polygrid questions
Message-ID: <b9267b6f-455b-e0df-adc7-5c95a370ed84@researchware.com>

I see I have the properties of a polygrid for:

pgColumns -- an array of all column properties

and

pgColumnWidths -- a comma delimited list of widths

There does not seem to be a distinct property just for alignments, such 
as pgColumnAlignments

What I need to do is change the width and/or alignment of a specific 
column (that can change which column based on data). I can se no way of 
doing this other than repopulating the pgColumns array

If I try

set the pgColumnWidths of widget "rwTableview" to 
"300,75,75,75,75,75,75,75,75"

for example, that seems to have no effect.

If I try to just change one element of the column array, such as

put "300" into tArray[1]["width"]; set the pgColumns of widget 
"rwTableview" to tArray, it replaces all the other column information 
(names, etc.) with defaults (as I would expect)

Am I missing some syntax that will allow changing the name, label, 
width, alignment, or whatever property desired of a single column 
without touching any of the other column data already set?





From dsc at swcp.com  Wed Aug 23 20:00:23 2023
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2023 18:00:23 -0600
Subject: Behaviors
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycOv-mbthFW+B+Y5SaniFu5CM6cjmyPwQNJxGPFA_DHsPA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E8D646E0-E712-47F1-9976-C86F2C5C7AA5@swcp.com>
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Message-ID: <F4BCB523-D617-48CB-9E59-0EC6D2852B06@swcp.com>

I, too, have discovered the target icon to the right of the behavior object field in the property inspector. Alas, using that that I see only buttons on the current card (and stacks). I don’t see a way to navigate to a different card and select a button there. I might have missed it. — Dar

> On Aug 22, 2023, at 1:05 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> you probably know this: in the property inspector, there's a panel for
> behavior, so you can just select the behavior from a menu button,
> without having to type it
> 
> On Tue, Aug 22, 2023 at 1:37 PM Dar Scott via use-livecode
> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I figured out how to do it in the IDE. I needed to include “of stack” in the reference. — Dar
>> 
>>> On Aug 22, 2023, at 11:09 AM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Not sure how it works in the IDE - seems a problem because it only presents button in the current stack.
>>> 
>>> So I do it all in preOpen... scripts, doing something like
>>> 
>>>> set the behavior of fld "F" of grp tmpName to the long id of button "RichTextFieldBehaviour" of \
>>>>         card "Behaviours" of stack "/Users/alextweedly/Dropbox/My Livecode/Libraries/richText.livecode"
>>> 
>>> Alex.
>>> 
>>> On 22/08/2023 17:57, Dar Scott via use-livecode wrote:
>>>> I am misremembering things about Behaviors.
>>>> 
>>>> I have a card with my behavior buttons, but I can’t seem to point to buttons on that card. Maybe, I’m remembering what I did long ago with front scripts.
>>>> 
>>>> I suppose I can use substacks, but I’m worried that the stacks would be in the message path. Is there a way to keep the stack out of the message path?
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From iowahengst at mac.com  Thu Aug 24 09:28:49 2023
From: iowahengst at mac.com (Randy Hengst)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2023 08:28:49 -0500
Subject: OT - a new release of WinSignHelper for macOS
In-Reply-To: <189768fb5c8.276f.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <55243856-963F-4771-A49E-BA6BE3496E0E@m-r-d.de>
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Message-ID: <5F4F3C53-8F3C-4386-85A4-B22AFFD13852@mac.com>

Hi All,

This all very interesting. I haven’t built for windows in about 10 years. So, I’ve never messed with signing certificates.

I’ve downloaded and played with Matthias’ CodeSigning Tool… seems very straight forward. But, I’m trying to build an app only for a friend to use for free and, so, I’m not too keen on buying a certificate for $100+ every year.

Is there a way for folks to open an app on windows that is not signed? …like you can do on a Mac after the scary alert…

take care,
randy

Randy Hengst
classroomfocusedsoftware.com



> On Jul 20, 2023, at 10:47 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Very useful info, thank you. Especially the part about using the token on different machines. I was duped into believing everything I read on the internet. :)
> 
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> On July 20, 2023 4:20:59 PM matthias rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>>> Am 20.07.2023 um 17:21 schrieb J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>> 
>>> Thanks Matthias. I've been reading about it and I think the cert is stored on the machine but it is tied to that computer and not exportable.
>> 
>> 
>>> If you get a new computer you need to buy a new certificate.
>> I don't think that is true. The new type of certificate has to be stored on a secure device. That's what the eToken is for. The private key is also stored on the eToken and the certificate and the private key cannot be exported. You should be able to use that token on multiple computers. You just have to install the eToken driver to an other computer and attach the eToken to it.
>> 
>> This is what Trustzone is saying about it:
>> "The token-based type of Standard Code Signing certificates can also be used on multiple computers. The same goes for token-based EV certificates. But no token-based certificate can ever be used simultaneously on two computers since the SafeNet token can only be plugged into one computer at a time."
>> 
>> As i never had such eToken, i do not know, if the certificate and the private key can be accessed as files through Finder. And what extension do they have. I've read the osslsigncode can use also certificates and key files with .cem extension.
>> So if the eToken contains such files, WinSignHelper could be slightly adjusted to work with the eToken. But that's just an assumption.
>> 
>> Matthias
>> 
>> 
>>> So I don't think I'll experiment, and we'll just do the whole thing on the Windows box.
>>> 
>>> The sad part is that if we'd renewed just a couple of weeks earlier we'd have been within the cutoff date and could have purchased the old type of certificate.
>>> 
>> Same here. I was about 5 days to late otherwise i could have ordered the olde type.
>> 
>> 
>>> If anyone else has used the new token hardware I'd be grateful for any tips or suggestions. This is all new to me.
>> 
>> I am using a cloud based OV certificate from Certum. I just need to install the Software SimplySign Desktop. The software "integrates" the certificate into Windows' certificate storage (or what ever this is called) after i logged in using that SimplySign Desktop software.
>> Microsoft's signtool can then directly access the certificate.
>> 
>> 
>>> --
>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>> On July 19, 2023 4:20:23 PM matthias rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> To be honest, i do not know.
>>>> I am currently using a cloud code signing certificate which i can only use on Windows.
>>>> I've chosen the cloud version because of the price, but later i noticed that it seems that those cloud certificates cannot be used on macOS.
>>>> Or maybe they can, but i do not know how, especially with ossl signcode
>>>> WinSignHelper uses ossl signcode and currently that tool needs a path to a certificate
>>>> 
>>>> Do you know where the certificate is stored with the eToken solution? Is it stored also on the eToken or anywhere else on the Mac?
>>>> If you have the certificate as a physical file it maybe could be possible to select that file in the WinSignHelper prefs.
>>>> 
>>>> But as  i alread wrote, i really don't know exactly.
>>>> 
>>>> I am currently thinking of purchasing a 2nd certificate as eToken solution, but there is not yet a decision made, if i should spent money for this, as i have a working cloud certificate which expires in 3 years.
>>>> 
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Matthias
>>>> 
>>>>> Am 19.07.2023 um 22:53 schrieb J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>>>> 
>>>>> @Matthias: does the upgraded WinSignHelper work with the new hardware eTokens? Those are required now.
>>>>> 
>>>>> If so, do the instructions change on how to use your tool?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 12/23/22 10:44 AM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode wrote:
>>>>>> i've upgraded my free tool WinSignHelper.
>>>>>> For those who do not know what WinSignHelper is...
>>>>>> It's a GUI for osslsigncode. Osslsigncode is command line tool that can do the Authenticode signing and timestamping. With it you can code sign Windows applications  using an appropriate code signing certificate.
>>>>>> You just drag a folder with your Windows application into WinSignHelper and it signs all components of your standalone (.exe and .dll).
>>>>>> WinSignHelper Help section gives enough information about how to install osslsigncode.
>>>>>> So if anyone is interested in testing....
>>>>>> The version is  notarized and is an universal build for X86 and Arm
>>>>>> Zip
>>>>>> https://dl.qck.nu/?dl=WinSignHelper_universal.zip
>>>>>> DMG
>>>>>> https://dl.qck.nu/?dl=WinSignHelper_universal.dmg
>>>>>> Hope this is of help for one or the other.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
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>>>>> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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From klaus at major-k.de  Thu Aug 24 09:42:59 2023
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2023 15:42:59 +0200
Subject: OT - a new release of WinSignHelper for macOS
In-Reply-To: <5F4F3C53-8F3C-4386-85A4-B22AFFD13852@mac.com>
References: <55243856-963F-4771-A49E-BA6BE3496E0E@m-r-d.de>
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Message-ID: <FAA0EC66-A252-46C4-8EB3-E4A780E74F86@major-k.de>

Hi Randy,

> Am 24.08.2023 um 15:28 schrieb Randy Hengst via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> This all very interesting. I haven’t built for windows in about 10 years. So, I’ve never messed with signing certificates.
> I’ve downloaded and played with Matthias’ CodeSigning Tool… seems very straight forward. But, I’m trying to build an app only for a friend to use for free and, so, I’m not too keen on buying a certificate for $100+ every year.
> Is there a way for folks to open an app on windows that is not signed? …like you can do on a Mac after the scary alert…

I once set up a help page for exactly this issue:
<https://www.major-k.de/install.html>

Scroll down for the Windows stuff...
Hope that helps!

> take care,
> randy

Best

Klaus

--
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https://www.major-k.de
https://www.major-k.de/bass
klaus at major-k.de



From iowahengst at mac.com  Thu Aug 24 09:49:04 2023
From: iowahengst at mac.com (Randy Hengst)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2023 08:49:04 -0500
Subject: OT - a new release of WinSignHelper for macOS
In-Reply-To: <FAA0EC66-A252-46C4-8EB3-E4A780E74F86@major-k.de>
References: <55243856-963F-4771-A49E-BA6BE3496E0E@m-r-d.de>
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 <5F4F3C53-8F3C-4386-85A4-B22AFFD13852@mac.com>
 <FAA0EC66-A252-46C4-8EB3-E4A780E74F86@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <2439D939-F60B-4AE2-A4EE-76B1D05B2202@mac.com>

Excellent! Thank you, Klaus.

Does the current version of windows look the same as your screen shots?

take care,
randy

Randy Hengst
classroomFocusedSoftware.com



> On Aug 24, 2023, at 8:42 AM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Randy,
> 
>> Am 24.08.2023 um 15:28 schrieb Randy Hengst via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> This all very interesting. I haven’t built for windows in about 10 years. So, I’ve never messed with signing certificates.
>> I’ve downloaded and played with Matthias’ CodeSigning Tool… seems very straight forward. But, I’m trying to build an app only for a friend to use for free and, so, I’m not too keen on buying a certificate for $100+ every year.
>> Is there a way for folks to open an app on windows that is not signed? …like you can do on a Mac after the scary alert…
> 
> I once set up a help page for exactly this issue:
> <https://www.major-k.de/install.html>
> 
> Scroll down for the Windows stuff...
> Hope that helps!
> 
>> take care,
>> randy
> 
> Best
> 
> Klaus
> 
> --
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> https://www.major-k.de
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From klaus at major-k.de  Thu Aug 24 09:52:05 2023
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2023 15:52:05 +0200
Subject: OT - a new release of WinSignHelper for macOS
In-Reply-To: <2439D939-F60B-4AE2-A4EE-76B1D05B2202@mac.com>
References: <55243856-963F-4771-A49E-BA6BE3496E0E@m-r-d.de>
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 <94065A6E-BD87-4BA3-9AEA-FD98138A0A06@m-r-d.de>
 <18973e42d68.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <F3374936-761B-49FB-9F20-9EE226A1297F@m-r-d.de>
 <189768fb5c8.276f.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <5F4F3C53-8F3C-4386-85A4-B22AFFD13852@mac.com>
 <FAA0EC66-A252-46C4-8EB3-E4A780E74F86@major-k.de>
 <2439D939-F60B-4AE2-A4EE-76B1D05B2202@mac.com>
Message-ID: <F400F69C-41EE-4419-87B8-618556777C74@major-k.de>

Hi Randy,

> Am 24.08.2023 um 15:49 schrieb Randy Hengst via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Excellent! Thank you, Klaus.

my pleasure!

> Does the current version of windows look the same as your screen shots?

Sorry, no idea, my last Win version is 10, as shown in the pics.

> take care,
> randy
> 
> Randy Hengst
> classroomFocusedSoftware.com
>> 
>>> Hi All,
>>> This all very interesting. I haven’t built for windows in about 10 years. So, I’ve never messed with signing certificates.
>>> I’ve downloaded and played with Matthias’ CodeSigning Tool… seems very straight forward. But, I’m trying to build an app only for a friend to use for free and, so, I’m not too keen on buying a certificate for $100+ every year.
>>> Is there a way for folks to open an app on windows that is not signed? …like you can do on a Mac after the scary alert…
>> I once set up a help page for exactly this issue:
>> <https://www.major-k.de/install.html>
>> Scroll down for the Windows stuff...
>> Hope that helps!

Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
https://www.major-k.de
https://www.major-k.de/bass
klaus at major-k.de



From derek-lc-list at speedbump.io  Thu Aug 24 10:26:50 2023
From: derek-lc-list at speedbump.io (Derek Bump)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2023 14:26:50 +0000
Subject: Linux and the search for a controllable Web Browser
Message-ID: <LwqgtJeroXEIj01qPZNSkHNFkANsViM18L4mKh9-3JRdVdig6gPIdcBSVw8SWM8GulgfACvqbIrmxbyezlUC3TWMwyC5SIH4AwAOxuzTggg=@speedbump.io>

Good Day,

I've been wrestling with the Browser widget on Linux long enough now that I've largely given up on using it for anything destined for a production environment. However, that has not reduced my need for a browser which I can control in my specific use-case: open a streaming video url, make it full screen, autoplay, wait for navigational input from the user (arrow keys, DEL key, etc), and close when requested.

I did attempt to build a controllable browser using Neutralinojs, which showed potential. With it's configuration options, having a borderless, floating browser window appear at exact coordinates is very do-able. Unfortunately for me, the cross-origin nature of using an iframe is preventing JavaScript from forcing playback without a physical "click" from the user. Setting the URL of the Neutralinojs "browser" directly (not using iframe) resolves the cross-origin restriction, but it still required click for playback. Plus, setting the URL directly wipes out any JavaScript written, so inter-process communications disappears immediately. So that solution isn't viable.

I'm thinking of attempting the same concept using Electron, but I'm betting 100% the experience will be the same. Many in the past have abused the Autoplay feature, so its largely locked down in commercial browsers at this point. I'm pretty sure I'd have to compile a custom browser from source, which I have never done before. Nor am I interested in going down that rabbit hole (yet).

So I wanted to reach out to see if anyone has stumbled upon a solution for showing web pages on Linux in such a way that you can still maintain control over the browser through LiveCode?

With regards to my use-case, I've (temporarily) opted to launch Firefox using "open process" (non blocking) in Kiosk mode. This is nearly producing what I need, except regaining control involves terminating Firefox when my user presses a "Universal Home" button on their remote control. Not ideal, but it works.

What's frustrating is that there's a Browser Widget sitting in my toolbar which seems to work well on Windows and Mac. However, even if the widget was compatible (or I found a modern distro where it works), it still wouldn't solve my problem: LC's browser implementation has some of it's multimedia framework support turned off, so HLS is out the window. This would need to be added in by LiveCode Ltd., most likely.

Am I stuck?

I appreciate the help and look forward to feedback.

Thank you,
Derek Bump


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Aug 24 11:20:55 2023
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2023 15:20:55 +0000
Subject: OT - a new release of WinSignHelper for macOS
In-Reply-To: <5F4F3C53-8F3C-4386-85A4-B22AFFD13852@mac.com>
References: <55243856-963F-4771-A49E-BA6BE3496E0E@m-r-d.de>
 <3f7dc1f4-fd3a-7e26-9c8d-ae6171c0380c@hyperactivesw.com>
 <94065A6E-BD87-4BA3-9AEA-FD98138A0A06@m-r-d.de>
 <18973e42d68.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <F3374936-761B-49FB-9F20-9EE226A1297F@m-r-d.de>
 <189768fb5c8.276f.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <5F4F3C53-8F3C-4386-85A4-B22AFFD13852@mac.com>
Message-ID: <02940F0A-2EC5-45C3-92FF-55EB471E3AE6@iotecdigital.com>

I build for Windows and do not need a certificate. I’ve run my app on Windows 10 and server 2019 without an issue.

Bob S


On Aug 24, 2023, at 6:28 AM, Randy Hengst via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

Hi All,

This all very interesting. I haven’t built for windows in about 10 years. So, I’ve never messed with signing certificates.

I’ve downloaded and played with Matthias’ CodeSigning Tool… seems very straight forward. But, I’m trying to build an app only for a friend to use for free and, so, I’m not too keen on buying a certificate for $100+ every year.

Is there a way for folks to open an app on windows that is not signed? …like you can do on a Mac after the scary alert…

take care,
randy

Randy Hengst
classroomfocusedsoftware.com<http://classroomfocusedsoftware.com/>


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Aug 24 11:24:58 2023
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2023 15:24:58 +0000
Subject: OT - a new release of WinSignHelper for macOS
In-Reply-To: <02940F0A-2EC5-45C3-92FF-55EB471E3AE6@iotecdigital.com>
References: <55243856-963F-4771-A49E-BA6BE3496E0E@m-r-d.de>
 <3f7dc1f4-fd3a-7e26-9c8d-ae6171c0380c@hyperactivesw.com>
 <94065A6E-BD87-4BA3-9AEA-FD98138A0A06@m-r-d.de>
 <18973e42d68.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <F3374936-761B-49FB-9F20-9EE226A1297F@m-r-d.de>
 <189768fb5c8.276f.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <5F4F3C53-8F3C-4386-85A4-B22AFFD13852@mac.com>
 <02940F0A-2EC5-45C3-92FF-55EB471E3AE6@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <07F4836E-C325-4310-B319-9A1721840C06@iotecdigital.com>

Oh right, I think I DID have to confirm that I want to run the app on both Windows and Mac. I suppose that would be an issue if I was distributing commercially.

Bob S


On Aug 24, 2023, at 8:20 AM, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com> wrote:

I build for Windows and do not need a certificate. I’ve run my app on Windows 10 and server 2019 without an issue.

Bob S


On Aug 24, 2023, at 6:28 AM, Randy Hengst via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

Hi All,

This all very interesting. I haven’t built for windows in about 10 years. So, I’ve never messed with signing certificates.

I’ve downloaded and played with Matthias’ CodeSigning Tool… seems very straight forward. But, I’m trying to build an app only for a friend to use for free and, so, I’m not too keen on buying a certificate for $100+ every year.

Is there a way for folks to open an app on windows that is not signed? …like you can do on a Mac after the scary alert…

take care,
randy

Randy Hengst
classroomfocusedsoftware.com<http://classroomfocusedsoftware.com/>



From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Aug 24 11:34:02 2023
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2023 15:34:02 +0000
Subject: Behaviors
In-Reply-To: <F4BCB523-D617-48CB-9E59-0EC6D2852B06@swcp.com>
References: <E8D646E0-E712-47F1-9976-C86F2C5C7AA5@swcp.com>
 <6a88a801-283f-4b5f-86b0-77e44f57d7da@tweedly.net>
 <77958622-E960-4C90-97CC-AE3FC21CF1D7@swcp.com>
 <CADCoycOv-mbthFW+B+Y5SaniFu5CM6cjmyPwQNJxGPFA_DHsPA@mail.gmail.com>
 <F4BCB523-D617-48CB-9E59-0EC6D2852B06@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <2AA4D973-C0B6-4E7E-B169-DC724C89C35E@iotecdigital.com>

There is also the Advanced button in the property inspector (looks like one large gear with two smaller ones) where you can type the behavior, and also has the target icon. Also, you shouldn’t have to do that every time. Once should be enough if you save the stack afterwards. 

I note that Datagrids have no way to set the behavior, since they depend on their default behavior. It was discussed long ago when nested behaviors became a thing, that there ought to be a way to edit a list of behaviors of an object. In fact it shouldn’t be that difficult to make a Behavior Browser widget of some sort. Hmmm...

Bob S


> On Aug 23, 2023, at 5:00 PM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I, too, have discovered the target icon to the right of the behavior object field in the property inspector. Alas, using that that I see only buttons on the current card (and stacks). I don’t see a way to navigate to a different card and select a button there. I might have missed it. — Dar
> 
>> On Aug 22, 2023, at 1:05 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> you probably know this: in the property inspector, there's a panel for
>> behavior, so you can just select the behavior from a menu button,
>> without having to type it
>> 
>> On Tue, Aug 22, 2023 at 1:37 PM Dar Scott via use-livecode
>> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I figured out how to do it in the IDE. I needed to include “of stack” in the reference. — Dar
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 22, 2023, at 11:09 AM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Not sure how it works in the IDE - seems a problem because it only presents button in the current stack.
>>>> 
>>>> So I do it all in preOpen... scripts, doing something like
>>>> 
>>>>> set the behavior of fld "F" of grp tmpName to the long id of button "RichTextFieldBehaviour" of \
>>>>>        card "Behaviours" of stack "/Users/alextweedly/Dropbox/My Livecode/Libraries/richText.livecode"
>>>> 
>>>> Alex.
>>>> 
>>>> On 22/08/2023 17:57, Dar Scott via use-livecode wrote:
>>>>> I am misremembering things about Behaviors.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have a card with my behavior buttons, but I can’t seem to point to buttons on that card. Maybe, I’m remembering what I did long ago with front scripts.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I suppose I can use substacks, but I’m worried that the stacks would be in the message path. Is there a way to keep the stack out of the message path?
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>> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
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From prothero at earthlearningsolutions.org  Thu Aug 24 11:41:07 2023
From: prothero at earthlearningsolutions.org (William Prothero)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2023 08:41:07 -0700
Subject: OT - a new release of WinSignHelper for macOS
In-Reply-To: <5F4F3C53-8F3C-4386-85A4-B22AFFD13852@mac.com>
References: <5F4F3C53-8F3C-4386-85A4-B22AFFD13852@mac.com>
Message-ID: <E0422602-1597-4761-A492-03D4419D71A0@earthlearningsolutions.org>

I have an ios app that I built for myself only. I was able to load the app on my iphone for debugging. It works fine, for me, in normal use. You may be able to do the same with your friend's device. It saves a lot of the trouble with certificates, etc. you might search the forum on "sideloading".

Good luck.
Bill

William A. Prothero, PhD
Prof Emeritus, Dept of Earth Science
University of California, Santa Barbara

> On Aug 24, 2023, at 6:30 AM, Randy Hengst via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> This all very interesting. I haven’t built for windows in about 10 years. So, I’ve never messed with signing certificates.
> 
> I’ve downloaded and played with Matthias’ CodeSigning Tool… seems very straight forward. But, I’m trying to build an app only for a friend to use for free and, so, I’m not too keen on buying a certificate for $100+ every year.
> 
> Is there a way for folks to open an app on windows that is not signed? …like you can do on a Mac after the scary alert…
> 
> take care,
> randy
> 
> Randy Hengst
> classroomfocusedsoftware.com
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jul 20, 2023, at 10:47 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Very useful info, thank you. Especially the part about using the token on different machines. I was duped into believing everything I read on the internet. :)
>> 
>> --
>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>> On July 20, 2023 4:20:59 PM matthias rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>>>>> Am 20.07.2023 um 17:21 schrieb J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks Matthias. I've been reading about it and I think the cert is stored on the machine but it is tied to that computer and not exportable.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> If you get a new computer you need to buy a new certificate.
>>> I don't think that is true. The new type of certificate has to be stored on a secure device. That's what the eToken is for. The private key is also stored on the eToken and the certificate and the private key cannot be exported. You should be able to use that token on multiple computers. You just have to install the eToken driver to an other computer and attach the eToken to it.
>>> 
>>> This is what Trustzone is saying about it:
>>> "The token-based type of Standard Code Signing certificates can also be used on multiple computers. The same goes for token-based EV certificates. But no token-based certificate can ever be used simultaneously on two computers since the SafeNet token can only be plugged into one computer at a time."
>>> 
>>> As i never had such eToken, i do not know, if the certificate and the private key can be accessed as files through Finder. And what extension do they have. I've read the osslsigncode can use also certificates and key files with .cem extension.
>>> So if the eToken contains such files, WinSignHelper could be slightly adjusted to work with the eToken. But that's just an assumption.
>>> 
>>> Matthias
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> So I don't think I'll experiment, and we'll just do the whole thing on the Windows box.
>>>> 
>>>> The sad part is that if we'd renewed just a couple of weeks earlier we'd have been within the cutoff date and could have purchased the old type of certificate.
>>>> 
>>> Same here. I was about 5 days to late otherwise i could have ordered the olde type.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> If anyone else has used the new token hardware I'd be grateful for any tips or suggestions. This is all new to me.
>>> 
>>> I am using a cloud based OV certificate from Certum. I just need to install the Software SimplySign Desktop. The software "integrates" the certificate into Windows' certificate storage (or what ever this is called) after i logged in using that SimplySign Desktop software.
>>> Microsoft's signtool can then directly access the certificate.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>>> On July 19, 2023 4:20:23 PM matthias rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> To be honest, i do not know.
>>>>> I am currently using a cloud code signing certificate which i can only use on Windows.
>>>>> I've chosen the cloud version because of the price, but later i noticed that it seems that those cloud certificates cannot be used on macOS.
>>>>> Or maybe they can, but i do not know how, especially with ossl signcode
>>>>> WinSignHelper uses ossl signcode and currently that tool needs a path to a certificate
>>>>> 
>>>>> Do you know where the certificate is stored with the eToken solution? Is it stored also on the eToken or anywhere else on the Mac?
>>>>> If you have the certificate as a physical file it maybe could be possible to select that file in the WinSignHelper prefs.
>>>>> 
>>>>> But as  i alread wrote, i really don't know exactly.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am currently thinking of purchasing a 2nd certificate as eToken solution, but there is not yet a decision made, if i should spent money for this, as i have a working cloud certificate which expires in 3 years.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Matthias
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Am 19.07.2023 um 22:53 schrieb J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> @Matthias: does the upgraded WinSignHelper work with the new hardware eTokens? Those are required now.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> If so, do the instructions change on how to use your tool?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 12/23/22 10:44 AM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode wrote:
>>>>>>> i've upgraded my free tool WinSignHelper.
>>>>>>> For those who do not know what WinSignHelper is...
>>>>>>> It's a GUI for osslsigncode. Osslsigncode is command line tool that can do the Authenticode signing and timestamping. With it you can code sign Windows applications  using an appropriate code signing certificate.
>>>>>>> You just drag a folder with your Windows application into WinSignHelper and it signs all components of your standalone (.exe and .dll).
>>>>>>> WinSignHelper Help section gives enough information about how to install osslsigncode.
>>>>>>> So if anyone is interested in testing....
>>>>>>> The version is  notarized and is an universal build for X86 and Arm
>>>>>>> Zip
>>>>>>> https://dl.qck.nu/?dl=WinSignHelper_universal.zip
>>>>>>> DMG
>>>>>>> https://dl.qck.nu/?dl=WinSignHelper_universal.dmg
>>>>>>> Hope this is of help for one or the other.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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From iowahengst at mac.com  Thu Aug 24 12:12:59 2023
From: iowahengst at mac.com (Randy Hengst)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2023 11:12:59 -0500
Subject: OT - a new release of WinSignHelper for macOS
In-Reply-To: <E0422602-1597-4761-A492-03D4419D71A0@earthlearningsolutions.org>
References: <5F4F3C53-8F3C-4386-85A4-B22AFFD13852@mac.com>
 <E0422602-1597-4761-A492-03D4419D71A0@earthlearningsolutions.org>
Message-ID: <37049104-641F-4777-9D50-086CD885EA3F@mac.com>

I built for windows using 9.6.9… just heard from my friend that he could open the app.

Thanks all for the ideas and information.

take care,
randy

Randy Hengst
classroomfocusedsoftware.com



> On Aug 24, 2023, at 10:41 AM, William Prothero via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I have an ios app that I built for myself only. I was able to load the app on my iphone for debugging. It works fine, for me, in normal use. You may be able to do the same with your friend's device. It saves a lot of the trouble with certificates, etc. you might search the forum on "sideloading".
> 
> Good luck.
> Bill
> 
> William A. Prothero, PhD
> Prof Emeritus, Dept of Earth Science
> University of California, Santa Barbara
> 
>> On Aug 24, 2023, at 6:30 AM, Randy Hengst via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> This all very interesting. I haven’t built for windows in about 10 years. So, I’ve never messed with signing certificates.
>> 
>> I’ve downloaded and played with Matthias’ CodeSigning Tool… seems very straight forward. But, I’m trying to build an app only for a friend to use for free and, so, I’m not too keen on buying a certificate for $100+ every year.
>> 
>> Is there a way for folks to open an app on windows that is not signed? …like you can do on a Mac after the scary alert…
>> 
>> take care,
>> randy
>> 
>> Randy Hengst
>> classroomfocusedsoftware.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 20, 2023, at 10:47 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Very useful info, thank you. Especially the part about using the token on different machines. I was duped into believing everything I read on the internet. :)
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>> On July 20, 2023 4:20:59 PM matthias rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>>>> Am 20.07.2023 um 17:21 schrieb J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks Matthias. I've been reading about it and I think the cert is stored on the machine but it is tied to that computer and not exportable.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> If you get a new computer you need to buy a new certificate.
>>>> I don't think that is true. The new type of certificate has to be stored on a secure device. That's what the eToken is for. The private key is also stored on the eToken and the certificate and the private key cannot be exported. You should be able to use that token on multiple computers. You just have to install the eToken driver to an other computer and attach the eToken to it.
>>>> 
>>>> This is what Trustzone is saying about it:
>>>> "The token-based type of Standard Code Signing certificates can also be used on multiple computers. The same goes for token-based EV certificates. But no token-based certificate can ever be used simultaneously on two computers since the SafeNet token can only be plugged into one computer at a time."
>>>> 
>>>> As i never had such eToken, i do not know, if the certificate and the private key can be accessed as files through Finder. And what extension do they have. I've read the osslsigncode can use also certificates and key files with .cem extension.
>>>> So if the eToken contains such files, WinSignHelper could be slightly adjusted to work with the eToken. But that's just an assumption.
>>>> 
>>>> Matthias
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> So I don't think I'll experiment, and we'll just do the whole thing on the Windows box.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The sad part is that if we'd renewed just a couple of weeks earlier we'd have been within the cutoff date and could have purchased the old type of certificate.
>>>>> 
>>>> Same here. I was about 5 days to late otherwise i could have ordered the olde type.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> If anyone else has used the new token hardware I'd be grateful for any tips or suggestions. This is all new to me.
>>>> 
>>>> I am using a cloud based OV certificate from Certum. I just need to install the Software SimplySign Desktop. The software "integrates" the certificate into Windows' certificate storage (or what ever this is called) after i logged in using that SimplySign Desktop software.
>>>> Microsoft's signtool can then directly access the certificate.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>>>> On July 19, 2023 4:20:23 PM matthias rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> To be honest, i do not know.
>>>>>> I am currently using a cloud code signing certificate which i can only use on Windows.
>>>>>> I've chosen the cloud version because of the price, but later i noticed that it seems that those cloud certificates cannot be used on macOS.
>>>>>> Or maybe they can, but i do not know how, especially with ossl signcode
>>>>>> WinSignHelper uses ossl signcode and currently that tool needs a path to a certificate
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Do you know where the certificate is stored with the eToken solution? Is it stored also on the eToken or anywhere else on the Mac?
>>>>>> If you have the certificate as a physical file it maybe could be possible to select that file in the WinSignHelper prefs.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> But as  i alread wrote, i really don't know exactly.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I am currently thinking of purchasing a 2nd certificate as eToken solution, but there is not yet a decision made, if i should spent money for this, as i have a working cloud certificate which expires in 3 years.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Matthias
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Am 19.07.2023 um 22:53 schrieb J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> @Matthias: does the upgraded WinSignHelper work with the new hardware eTokens? Those are required now.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> If so, do the instructions change on how to use your tool?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 12/23/22 10:44 AM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode wrote:
>>>>>>>> i've upgraded my free tool WinSignHelper.
>>>>>>>> For those who do not know what WinSignHelper is...
>>>>>>>> It's a GUI for osslsigncode. Osslsigncode is command line tool that can do the Authenticode signing and timestamping. With it you can code sign Windows applications  using an appropriate code signing certificate.
>>>>>>>> You just drag a folder with your Windows application into WinSignHelper and it signs all components of your standalone (.exe and .dll).
>>>>>>>> WinSignHelper Help section gives enough information about how to install osslsigncode.
>>>>>>>> So if anyone is interested in testing....
>>>>>>>> The version is  notarized and is an universal build for X86 and Arm
>>>>>>>> Zip
>>>>>>>> https://dl.qck.nu/?dl=WinSignHelper_universal.zip
>>>>>>>> DMG
>>>>>>>> https://dl.qck.nu/?dl=WinSignHelper_universal.dmg
>>>>>>>> Hope this is of help for one or the other.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>>> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
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From bleiler at buffalo.edu  Thu Aug 24 13:02:32 2023
From: bleiler at buffalo.edu (Timothy Bleiler)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2023 17:02:32 +0000
Subject: OT - Mac Notarization Problem - Desperation setting in
Message-ID: <65E7119E-1DA1-43DC-B667-F90F7F249CFD@buffalo.edu>

Hi all,

I believe the problem I’m having is either on Apple’s end or something with my local configuration but Apple has not been very helpful and I’m running out of ideas, so I’m turning to the wealth of experience on this list in desperation.

I’ve been using the lessons from  Matthias Rebbe and V4 of his handy mrSignNotarizeHelper stack.
Code signing seems to work fine but when I get to the Notarization step I always get an
"Error: HTTP status code: 401. Invalid credentials. Username or password is incorrect.

I’m on an M1 Mac with OS 13.4.1, Xcode 14.3.1 is installed, Livecode 9.6.9.

So far, this is what I’ve tried with the same result

1) Verified developer account in good status with Apple
2) Multiple checks of my credentials (Apple ID, team ID, app-specific password) on Apple's developer and ID sites,
3) Multiple checks of my credentials in the parameters I’m using
4) Setting up a new app specific password on my account
5) Trying with a different Livecode application
6 Trying everything manually in Terminal. (What is apparent is any subcommands of NotaryTool (e.g. submit, store-credentials) using my credentials fail with the same error.

7) Repeat everything on a brand new user account on my Mac
8) Sought help through devprograms at apple.com<mailto:devprograms at apple.com>


I’ve done codesigning and notarization many times before with the same developer account with no issues.
What’s new here for me is using NotaryTool and the app-specific password.

I realize this is a long shot but I’m stuck, so it would be great if anyone has any suggestions for solving this problem (even some detail I may have missed in the steps I’ve already taken)

Thanks,

Tim Bleiler, Ph.D.
Instructional Designer, HSIT
University at Buffalo


From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Thu Aug 24 13:15:57 2023
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2023 13:15:57 -0400
Subject: Behaviors
In-Reply-To: <2AA4D973-C0B6-4E7E-B169-DC724C89C35E@iotecdigital.com>
References: <E8D646E0-E712-47F1-9976-C86F2C5C7AA5@swcp.com>
 <6a88a801-283f-4b5f-86b0-77e44f57d7da@tweedly.net>
 <77958622-E960-4C90-97CC-AE3FC21CF1D7@swcp.com>
 <CADCoycOv-mbthFW+B+Y5SaniFu5CM6cjmyPwQNJxGPFA_DHsPA@mail.gmail.com>
 <F4BCB523-D617-48CB-9E59-0EC6D2852B06@swcp.com>
 <2AA4D973-C0B6-4E7E-B169-DC724C89C35E@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycNXS+2P5cbdwc5-ZX6o9Q_Z8qYVZEaKjtqcZ3W8zn6EJg@mail.gmail.com>

i'm pretty sure you can set a dg's behavior. then you would set the
behavior of that behavior to the button behavior (button id 1005 of
stack "revDataGridLibrary"), OR you can include THAT script,
separately, set that as the behavior, and modify it
(but, what you should really do is remove your dg's and replace them
with pg's, imho. they're much faster and more flexible and powerful).
the project browser has a button for each behavior in the chain of an
object. i'm pretty sure that levure baker's assistant does, too.

On Thu, Aug 24, 2023 at 11:35 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> There is also the Advanced button in the property inspector (looks like one large gear with two smaller ones) where you can type the behavior, and also has the target icon. Also, you shouldn’t have to do that every time. Once should be enough if you save the stack afterwards.
>
> I note that Datagrids have no way to set the behavior, since they depend on their default behavior. It was discussed long ago when nested behaviors became a thing, that there ought to be a way to edit a list of behaviors of an object. In fact it shouldn’t be that difficult to make a Behavior Browser widget of some sort. Hmmm...
>
> Bob S
>
>
> > On Aug 23, 2023, at 5:00 PM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > I, too, have discovered the target icon to the right of the behavior object field in the property inspector. Alas, using that that I see only buttons on the current card (and stacks). I don’t see a way to navigate to a different card and select a button there. I might have missed it. — Dar
> >
> >> On Aug 22, 2023, at 1:05 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> you probably know this: in the property inspector, there's a panel for
> >> behavior, so you can just select the behavior from a menu button,
> >> without having to type it
> >>
> >> On Tue, Aug 22, 2023 at 1:37 PM Dar Scott via use-livecode
> >> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I figured out how to do it in the IDE. I needed to include “of stack” in the reference. — Dar
> >>>
> >>>> On Aug 22, 2023, at 11:09 AM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Not sure how it works in the IDE - seems a problem because it only presents button in the current stack.
> >>>>
> >>>> So I do it all in preOpen... scripts, doing something like
> >>>>
> >>>>> set the behavior of fld "F" of grp tmpName to the long id of button "RichTextFieldBehaviour" of \
> >>>>>        card "Behaviours" of stack "/Users/alextweedly/Dropbox/My Livecode/Libraries/richText.livecode"
> >>>>
> >>>> Alex.
> >>>>
> >>>> On 22/08/2023 17:57, Dar Scott via use-livecode wrote:
> >>>>> I am misremembering things about Behaviors.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I have a card with my behavior buttons, but I can’t seem to point to buttons on that card. Maybe, I’m remembering what I did long ago with front scripts.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I suppose I can use substacks, but I’m worried that the stacks would be in the message path. Is there a way to keep the stack out of the message path?
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> >>
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> >> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> >> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
> >>  and did a little diving.
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> >>
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On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Aug 24 14:11:44 2023
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2023 18:11:44 +0000
Subject: Behaviors
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycNXS+2P5cbdwc5-ZX6o9Q_Z8qYVZEaKjtqcZ3W8zn6EJg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E8D646E0-E712-47F1-9976-C86F2C5C7AA5@swcp.com>
 <6a88a801-283f-4b5f-86b0-77e44f57d7da@tweedly.net>
 <77958622-E960-4C90-97CC-AE3FC21CF1D7@swcp.com>
 <CADCoycOv-mbthFW+B+Y5SaniFu5CM6cjmyPwQNJxGPFA_DHsPA@mail.gmail.com>
 <F4BCB523-D617-48CB-9E59-0EC6D2852B06@swcp.com>
 <2AA4D973-C0B6-4E7E-B169-DC724C89C35E@iotecdigital.com>
 <CADCoycNXS+2P5cbdwc5-ZX6o9Q_Z8qYVZEaKjtqcZ3W8zn6EJg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EB25B2E1-646F-41C6-B8FC-323769F6B403@iotecdigital.com>

Ah thanks for that. Yes, I knew how to nest behaviors for datagrids, but I never use the Project Browser because of issues I had many years ago. I may have another look. 

What is a “pg”? I make extensive use of Datagrid properties, and whatever I might replace them with needs to provide ALL their functionality. 

Bob S


> On Aug 24, 2023, at 10:15 AM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> i'm pretty sure you can set a dg's behavior. then you would set the
> behavior of that behavior to the button behavior (button id 1005 of
> stack "revDataGridLibrary"), OR you can include THAT script,
> separately, set that as the behavior, and modify it
> (but, what you should really do is remove your dg's and replace them
> with pg's, imho. they're much faster and more flexible and powerful).
> the project browser has a button for each behavior in the chain of an
> object. i'm pretty sure that levure baker's assistant does, too.
> 
> On Thu, Aug 24, 2023 at 11:35 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> There is also the Advanced button in the property inspector (looks like one large gear with two smaller ones) where you can type the behavior, and also has the target icon. Also, you shouldn’t have to do that every time. Once should be enough if you save the stack afterwards.
>> 
>> I note that Datagrids have no way to set the behavior, since they depend on their default behavior. It was discussed long ago when nested behaviors became a thing, that there ought to be a way to edit a list of behaviors of an object. In fact it shouldn’t be that difficult to make a Behavior Browser widget of some sort. Hmmm...
>> 
>> Bob S
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 23, 2023, at 5:00 PM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I, too, have discovered the target icon to the right of the behavior object field in the property inspector. Alas, using that that I see only buttons on the current card (and stacks). I don’t see a way to navigate to a different card and select a button there. I might have missed it. — Dar
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 22, 2023, at 1:05 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> you probably know this: in the property inspector, there's a panel for
>>>> behavior, so you can just select the behavior from a menu button,
>>>> without having to type it
>>>> 
>>>> On Tue, Aug 22, 2023 at 1:37 PM Dar Scott via use-livecode
>>>> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I figured out how to do it in the IDE. I needed to include “of stack” in the reference. — Dar
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Aug 22, 2023, at 11:09 AM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Not sure how it works in the IDE - seems a problem because it only presents button in the current stack.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> So I do it all in preOpen... scripts, doing something like
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> set the behavior of fld "F" of grp tmpName to the long id of button "RichTextFieldBehaviour" of \
>>>>>>>       card "Behaviours" of stack "/Users/alextweedly/Dropbox/My Livecode/Libraries/richText.livecode"
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Alex.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 22/08/2023 17:57, Dar Scott via use-livecode wrote:
>>>>>>> I am misremembering things about Behaviors.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I have a card with my behavior buttons, but I can’t seem to point to buttons on that card. Maybe, I’m remembering what I did long ago with front scripts.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I suppose I can use substacks, but I’m worried that the stacks would be in the message path. Is there a way to keep the stack out of the message path?
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>>>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>>>>> 
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>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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>>>> 
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>>>> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
>>>> On the second day, God created the oceans.
>>>> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>>>> and did a little diving.
>>>> And God said, "This is good."
>>>> 
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> 
> 
> -- 
> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>   and did a little diving.
> And God said, "This is good."
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From paul at researchware.com  Thu Aug 24 14:26:28 2023
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2023 14:26:28 -0400
Subject: Polygrid columns not fully clearing when pgColumns is set
Message-ID: <cf0a3941-ae5a-e0d7-374d-4350f2f67e5c@researchware.com>

Hi to any polygrid developers out there,

Please see bug https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=24315

I have run into an issue with the latest polygrid (as of this post) 
where if you set pgColumns to a new array that reduces the number of 
columns in the grid, some old columns are not cleared, but instead are 
set to defaults (ie. the names revert to col5, col6, etc. instead of 
being completely removed

Any thoughts to a work-around?


From paul at researchware.com  Thu Aug 24 14:30:31 2023
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2023 14:30:31 -0400
Subject: Polygrid columns not fully clearing when pgColumns is set
In-Reply-To: <cf0a3941-ae5a-e0d7-374d-4350f2f67e5c@researchware.com>
References: <cf0a3941-ae5a-e0d7-374d-4350f2f67e5c@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <d7b786f2-06c1-5a3a-f787-64a5f4a2be91@researchware.com>

Aha, I was setting pgColumns to the fewer columns and THEN pgData to the 
smaller data set to match the columns

You need to clear the pgData (set to empty) first, then set the columns, 
then set the new pgData.

Perhaps this is a documentation bug?

On 8/24/2023 2:26 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
> Hi to any polygrid developers out there,
>
> Please see bug https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=24315
>
> I have run into an issue with the latest polygrid (as of this post) 
> where if you set pgColumns to a new array that reduces the number of 
> columns in the grid, some old columns are not cleared, but instead are 
> set to defaults (ie. the names revert to col5, col6, etc. instead of 
> being completely removed
>
> Any thoughts to a work-around?
>
> _______________________________________________
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> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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> subscription preferences:
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From klaus at major-k.de  Thu Aug 24 14:34:02 2023
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2023 20:34:02 +0200
Subject: Polygrid columns not fully clearing when pgColumns is set
In-Reply-To: <d7b786f2-06c1-5a3a-f787-64a5f4a2be91@researchware.com>
References: <cf0a3941-ae5a-e0d7-374d-4350f2f67e5c@researchware.com>
 <d7b786f2-06c1-5a3a-f787-64a5f4a2be91@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <8C4479DE-8456-456E-82A8-84AE2FDAC828@major-k.de>

Hi Paul,

> Am 24.08.2023 um 20:30 schrieb Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Aha, I was setting pgColumns to the fewer columns and THEN pgData to the smaller data set to match the columns
> You need to clear the pgData (set to empty) first, then set the columns, then set the new pgData.
> Perhaps this is a documentation bug?

I had success by setting the dgColumns to EMPTY first and later to the new "fewer" columns:
## Button "Fewer Columns"
on mouseUp pMouseButton
  local tColA, tDataA
  local tSum
  lock screen

  ## !!
  set the pgColumns of widget "myTable" to EMPTY
 ## !!

  put "rowname" into tColA[1]["name"]
...

> On 8/24/2023 2:26 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
>> Hi to any polygrid developers out there,
>> 
>> Please see bug https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=24315
>> 
>> I have run into an issue with the latest polygrid (as of this post) where if you set pgColumns to a new array that reduces the number of columns in the grid, some old columns are not cleared, but instead are set to defaults (ie. the names revert to col5, col6, etc. instead of being completely removed
>> 
>> Any thoughts to a work-around?

Best

Klaus

--
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https://www.major-k.de
https://www.major-k.de/bass
klaus at major-k.de



From paul at researchware.com  Thu Aug 24 16:26:04 2023
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2023 16:26:04 -0400
Subject: Polygrid columns not fully clearing when pgColumns is set
In-Reply-To: <8C4479DE-8456-456E-82A8-84AE2FDAC828@major-k.de>
References: <cf0a3941-ae5a-e0d7-374d-4350f2f67e5c@researchware.com>
 <d7b786f2-06c1-5a3a-f787-64a5f4a2be91@researchware.com>
 <8C4479DE-8456-456E-82A8-84AE2FDAC828@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <ed02d312-5d38-d353-8c43-09909c05b8a7@researchware.com>

Thanks Klaus.

I may use this method rather than the overhead of clearing and setting 
the whole pgData property.

Actually, the more I think about it, neither "method" should be needed. 
This is a polygrid bug. If you set the pgColumsn to fewer column, 
regardless of whether there is left over data in pgData, only the 
columns in the currently set pgColumns should be seen.


On 8/24/2023 2:34 PM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote:
> Hi Paul,
>
>> Am 24.08.2023 um 20:30 schrieb Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>
>> Aha, I was setting pgColumns to the fewer columns and THEN pgData to the smaller data set to match the columns
>> You need to clear the pgData (set to empty) first, then set the columns, then set the new pgData.
>> Perhaps this is a documentation bug?
> I had success by setting the dgColumns to EMPTY first and later to the new "fewer" columns:
> ## Button "Fewer Columns"
> on mouseUp pMouseButton
>    local tColA, tDataA
>    local tSum
>    lock screen
>
>    ## !!
>    set the pgColumns of widget "myTable" to EMPTY
>   ## !!
>
>    put "rowname" into tColA[1]["name"]
> ...
>
>> On 8/24/2023 2:26 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
>>> Hi to any polygrid developers out there,
>>>
>>> Please see bug https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=24315
>>>
>>> I have run into an issue with the latest polygrid (as of this post) where if you set pgColumns to a new array that reduces the number of columns in the grid, some old columns are not cleared, but instead are set to defaults (ie. the names revert to col5, col6, etc. instead of being completely removed
>>>
>>> Any thoughts to a work-around?
> Best
>
> Klaus
>
> --
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> https://www.major-k.de
> https://www.major-k.de/bass
> klaus at major-k.de
>
>
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From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Thu Aug 24 16:48:55 2023
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2023 22:48:55 +0200
Subject: OT - Mac Notarization Problem - Desperation setting in
In-Reply-To: <65E7119E-1DA1-43DC-B667-F90F7F249CFD@buffalo.edu>
References: <65E7119E-1DA1-43DC-B667-F90F7F249CFD@buffalo.edu>
Message-ID: <A74BD566-78C4-48E1-A0CF-5FD761B515D9@m-r-d.de>

Timothy,

so running the following command from step 7.1.2 of that lesson

xcrun notarytool submit --apple-id "<your_AppleID>" --password "<yourAppSpecificPassword>" --team-id <yourTeamID> --wait "<path_to_file>"

gives you the 401 error or are you using the parameter --keychain-profile instead of the three parameters --password,--team-id and --apple-id?
If using the above command, then could you please run the command again from command line and add --verbose  to enable a detailed log and send the log file to me in a private email?

If the second, then did you create a new keychain profile as described in chapter 8 of that lesson?

Regards,
Matthias





> Am 24.08.2023 um 19:02 schrieb Timothy Bleiler via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I believe the problem I’m having is either on Apple’s end or something with my local configuration but Apple has not been very helpful and I’m running out of ideas, so I’m turning to the wealth of experience on this list in desperation.
> 
> I’ve been using the lessons from  Matthias Rebbe and V4 of his handy mrSignNotarizeHelper stack.
> Code signing seems to work fine but when I get to the Notarization step I always get an
> "Error: HTTP status code: 401. Invalid credentials. Username or password is incorrect.
> 
> I’m on an M1 Mac with OS 13.4.1, Xcode 14.3.1 is installed, Livecode 9.6.9.
> 
> So far, this is what I’ve tried with the same result
> 
> 1) Verified developer account in good status with Apple
> 2) Multiple checks of my credentials (Apple ID, team ID, app-specific password) on Apple's developer and ID sites,
> 3) Multiple checks of my credentials in the parameters I’m using
> 4) Setting up a new app specific password on my account
> 5) Trying with a different Livecode application
> 6 Trying everything manually in Terminal. (What is apparent is any subcommands of NotaryTool (e.g. submit, store-credentials) using my credentials fail with the same error.
> 
> 7) Repeat everything on a brand new user account on my Mac
> 8) Sought help through devprograms at apple.com<mailto:devprograms at apple.com>
> 
> 
> I’ve done codesigning and notarization many times before with the same developer account with no issues.
> What’s new here for me is using NotaryTool and the app-specific password.
> 
> I realize this is a long shot but I’m stuck, so it would be great if anyone has any suggestions for solving this problem (even some detail I may have missed in the steps I’ve already taken)
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Tim Bleiler, Ph.D.
> Instructional Designer, HSIT
> University at Buffalo
> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Aug 24 16:53:06 2023
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2023 20:53:06 +0000
Subject: Polygrid columns not fully clearing when pgColumns is set
In-Reply-To: <ed02d312-5d38-d353-8c43-09909c05b8a7@researchware.com>
References: <cf0a3941-ae5a-e0d7-374d-4350f2f67e5c@researchware.com>
 <d7b786f2-06c1-5a3a-f787-64a5f4a2be91@researchware.com>
 <8C4479DE-8456-456E-82A8-84AE2FDAC828@major-k.de>
 <ed02d312-5d38-d353-8c43-09909c05b8a7@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <E2DD3752-EAE6-4153-821F-A3B77E158642@iotecdigital.com>

Why not get the pgColumns first, alter only the array element needed for the specific column(s), then set the pgColumns of the PolyGrid?

Bob S


> On Aug 24, 2023, at 1:26 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Thanks Klaus.
> 
> I may use this method rather than the overhead of clearing and setting the whole pgData property.
> 
> Actually, the more I think about it, neither "method" should be needed. This is a polygrid bug. If you set the pgColumsn to fewer column, regardless of whether there is left over data in pgData, only the columns in the currently set pgColumns should be seen.
> 
> 
> On 8/24/2023 2:34 PM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote:
>> Hi Paul,
>> 
>>> Am 24.08.2023 um 20:30 schrieb Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>> 
>>> Aha, I was setting pgColumns to the fewer columns and THEN pgData to the smaller data set to match the columns
>>> You need to clear the pgData (set to empty) first, then set the columns, then set the new pgData.
>>> Perhaps this is a documentation bug?
>> I had success by setting the dgColumns to EMPTY first and later to the new "fewer" columns:
>> ## Button "Fewer Columns"
>> on mouseUp pMouseButton
>>   local tColA, tDataA
>>   local tSum
>>   lock screen
>> 
>>   ## !!
>>   set the pgColumns of widget "myTable" to EMPTY
>>  ## !!
>> 
>>   put "rowname" into tColA[1]["name"]
>> ...
>> 
>>> On 8/24/2023 2:26 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
>>>> Hi to any polygrid developers out there,
>>>> 
>>>> Please see bug https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=24315
>>>> 
>>>> I have run into an issue with the latest polygrid (as of this post) where if you set pgColumns to a new array that reduces the number of columns in the grid, some old columns are not cleared, but instead are set to defaults (ie. the names revert to col5, col6, etc. instead of being completely removed
>>>> 
>>>> Any thoughts to a work-around?
>> Best
>> 
>> Klaus
>> 
>> --
>> Klaus Major
>> https://www.major-k.de
>> https://www.major-k.de/bass
>> klaus at major-k.de
>> 
>> 
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From paul at researchware.com  Thu Aug 24 17:49:36 2023
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2023 17:49:36 -0400
Subject: Polygrid columns not fully clearing when pgColumns is set
In-Reply-To: <E2DD3752-EAE6-4153-821F-A3B77E158642@iotecdigital.com>
References: <cf0a3941-ae5a-e0d7-374d-4350f2f67e5c@researchware.com>
 <d7b786f2-06c1-5a3a-f787-64a5f4a2be91@researchware.com>
 <8C4479DE-8456-456E-82A8-84AE2FDAC828@major-k.de>
 <ed02d312-5d38-d353-8c43-09909c05b8a7@researchware.com>
 <E2DD3752-EAE6-4153-821F-A3B77E158642@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <540a48b9-8965-b2c9-ef2a-06ead0677240@researchware.com>

In this particular case, the table being displayed in the polygrid is 
based on datasets that researcher loads into our application and the 
number of rows and columns can vary widely as well as the column 
names/labels and type of data. Rather than conduct a large analysis to 
determine which of N columns (and it could be 0 to N) have changed, it 
is easier to update pgColumns.

In one dataset N could be 3 and in the next 1500 (yes, for real)



On 8/24/2023 4:53 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
> Why not get the pgColumns first, alter only the array element needed for the specific column(s), then set the pgColumns of the PolyGrid?
>
> Bob S
>
>
>> On Aug 24, 2023, at 1:26 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Klaus.
>>
>> I may use this method rather than the overhead of clearing and setting the whole pgData property.
>>
>> Actually, the more I think about it, neither "method" should be needed. This is a polygrid bug. If you set the pgColumsn to fewer column, regardless of whether there is left over data in pgData, only the columns in the currently set pgColumns should be seen.
>>
>>
>> On 8/24/2023 2:34 PM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote:
>>> Hi Paul,
>>>
>>>> Am 24.08.2023 um 20:30 schrieb Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>>>
>>>> Aha, I was setting pgColumns to the fewer columns and THEN pgData to the smaller data set to match the columns
>>>> You need to clear the pgData (set to empty) first, then set the columns, then set the new pgData.
>>>> Perhaps this is a documentation bug?
>>> I had success by setting the dgColumns to EMPTY first and later to the new "fewer" columns:
>>> ## Button "Fewer Columns"
>>> on mouseUp pMouseButton
>>>    local tColA, tDataA
>>>    local tSum
>>>    lock screen
>>>
>>>    ## !!
>>>    set the pgColumns of widget "myTable" to EMPTY
>>>   ## !!
>>>
>>>    put "rowname" into tColA[1]["name"]
>>> ...
>>>
>>>> On 8/24/2023 2:26 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
>>>>> Hi to any polygrid developers out there,
>>>>>
>>>>> Please see bug https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=24315
>>>>>
>>>>> I have run into an issue with the latest polygrid (as of this post) where if you set pgColumns to a new array that reduces the number of columns in the grid, some old columns are not cleared, but instead are set to defaults (ie. the names revert to col5, col6, etc. instead of being completely removed
>>>>>
>>>>> Any thoughts to a work-around?
>>> Best
>>>
>>> Klaus
>>>
>>> --
>>> Klaus Major
>>> https://www.major-k.de
>>> https://www.major-k.de/bass
>>> klaus at major-k.de
>>>
>>>
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From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Thu Aug 24 19:17:27 2023
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2023 19:17:27 -0400
Subject: Behaviors
In-Reply-To: <EB25B2E1-646F-41C6-B8FC-323769F6B403@iotecdigital.com>
References: <E8D646E0-E712-47F1-9976-C86F2C5C7AA5@swcp.com>
 <6a88a801-283f-4b5f-86b0-77e44f57d7da@tweedly.net>
 <77958622-E960-4C90-97CC-AE3FC21CF1D7@swcp.com>
 <CADCoycOv-mbthFW+B+Y5SaniFu5CM6cjmyPwQNJxGPFA_DHsPA@mail.gmail.com>
 <F4BCB523-D617-48CB-9E59-0EC6D2852B06@swcp.com>
 <2AA4D973-C0B6-4E7E-B169-DC724C89C35E@iotecdigital.com>
 <CADCoycNXS+2P5cbdwc5-ZX6o9Q_Z8qYVZEaKjtqcZ3W8zn6EJg@mail.gmail.com>
 <EB25B2E1-646F-41C6-B8FC-323769F6B403@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycNOm4Evi72hJSzScFCtF9xxyNQf8_NvZ7RD7JfgXv4UPw@mail.gmail.com>

polygrid
the api is similar, but they also have some nice additional features.
i have ripped all my dg's and replaced them with pg's.
now, if you're using custom templates, have a look at the pl - polyList.

On Thu, Aug 24, 2023 at 2:12 PM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> Ah thanks for that. Yes, I knew how to nest behaviors for datagrids, but I never use the Project Browser because of issues I had many years ago. I may have another look.
>
> What is a “pg”? I make extensive use of Datagrid properties, and whatever I might replace them with needs to provide ALL their functionality.
>
> Bob S
>
>
> > On Aug 24, 2023, at 10:15 AM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > i'm pretty sure you can set a dg's behavior. then you would set the
> > behavior of that behavior to the button behavior (button id 1005 of
> > stack "revDataGridLibrary"), OR you can include THAT script,
> > separately, set that as the behavior, and modify it
> > (but, what you should really do is remove your dg's and replace them
> > with pg's, imho. they're much faster and more flexible and powerful).
> > the project browser has a button for each behavior in the chain of an
> > object. i'm pretty sure that levure baker's assistant does, too.
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 24, 2023 at 11:35 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
> > <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> There is also the Advanced button in the property inspector (looks like one large gear with two smaller ones) where you can type the behavior, and also has the target icon. Also, you shouldn’t have to do that every time. Once should be enough if you save the stack afterwards.
> >>
> >> I note that Datagrids have no way to set the behavior, since they depend on their default behavior. It was discussed long ago when nested behaviors became a thing, that there ought to be a way to edit a list of behaviors of an object. In fact it shouldn’t be that difficult to make a Behavior Browser widget of some sort. Hmmm...
> >>
> >> Bob S
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Aug 23, 2023, at 5:00 PM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I, too, have discovered the target icon to the right of the behavior object field in the property inspector. Alas, using that that I see only buttons on the current card (and stacks). I don’t see a way to navigate to a different card and select a button there. I might have missed it. — Dar
> >>>
> >>>> On Aug 22, 2023, at 1:05 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> you probably know this: in the property inspector, there's a panel for
> >>>> behavior, so you can just select the behavior from a menu button,
> >>>> without having to type it
> >>>>
> >>>> On Tue, Aug 22, 2023 at 1:37 PM Dar Scott via use-livecode
> >>>> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I figured out how to do it in the IDE. I needed to include “of stack” in the reference. — Dar
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Aug 22, 2023, at 11:09 AM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Not sure how it works in the IDE - seems a problem because it only presents button in the current stack.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> So I do it all in preOpen... scripts, doing something like
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> set the behavior of fld "F" of grp tmpName to the long id of button "RichTextFieldBehaviour" of \
> >>>>>>>       card "Behaviours" of stack "/Users/alextweedly/Dropbox/My Livecode/Libraries/richText.livecode"
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Alex.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 22/08/2023 17:57, Dar Scott via use-livecode wrote:
> >>>>>>> I am misremembering things about Behaviors.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I have a card with my behavior buttons, but I can’t seem to point to buttons on that card. Maybe, I’m remembering what I did long ago with front scripts.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I suppose I can use substacks, but I’m worried that the stacks would be in the message path. Is there a way to keep the stack out of the message path?
> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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> > On the second day, God created the oceans.
> > On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
> >   and did a little diving.
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> >
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-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


From paul at researchware.com  Thu Aug 24 19:56:29 2023
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2023 19:56:29 -0400
Subject: Polygrid sorting
Message-ID: <e94e5b85-75f2-85aa-4da8-7cf51408aa7e@researchware.com>

The Polygrid, unlike the Datagrid, has no built in column sorting. You 
have to roll your own.

Before I write my own, has anyone written a column sort (i.e click on a 
column header to sort by it) for a Poly grid they'd care to share?





From gcanyon at gmail.com  Thu Aug 24 22:04:04 2023
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2023 22:04:04 -0400
Subject: Behaviors
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycNOm4Evi72hJSzScFCtF9xxyNQf8_NvZ7RD7JfgXv4UPw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E8D646E0-E712-47F1-9976-C86F2C5C7AA5@swcp.com>
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 <77958622-E960-4C90-97CC-AE3FC21CF1D7@swcp.com>
 <CADCoycOv-mbthFW+B+Y5SaniFu5CM6cjmyPwQNJxGPFA_DHsPA@mail.gmail.com>
 <F4BCB523-D617-48CB-9E59-0EC6D2852B06@swcp.com>
 <2AA4D973-C0B6-4E7E-B169-DC724C89C35E@iotecdigital.com>
 <CADCoycNXS+2P5cbdwc5-ZX6o9Q_Z8qYVZEaKjtqcZ3W8zn6EJg@mail.gmail.com>
 <EB25B2E1-646F-41C6-B8FC-323769F6B403@iotecdigital.com>
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Message-ID: <CAKCLKtrfwHgVCMh-TNQ4qbW3Dmu0Nvh-dyQ0TpwigLiErTqomA@mail.gmail.com>

I'll admit it's not very intuitive, but:

In Navigator, right-click any button. On the context menu, select Copy >
Objects.
Navigate to any control or card, stack, etc. Bookmarks are fine for this as
well.
Right-click any other control. On the context menu, select Set Copied Btn
as Behavior.

On Thu, Aug 24, 2023 at 7:19 PM Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> polygrid
> the api is similar, but they also have some nice additional features.
> i have ripped all my dg's and replaced them with pg's.
> now, if you're using custom templates, have a look at the pl - polyList.
>
> On Thu, Aug 24, 2023 at 2:12 PM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Ah thanks for that. Yes, I knew how to nest behaviors for datagrids, but
> I never use the Project Browser because of issues I had many years ago. I
> may have another look.
> >
> > What is a “pg”? I make extensive use of Datagrid properties, and
> whatever I might replace them with needs to provide ALL their functionality.
> >
> > Bob S
> >
> >
> > > On Aug 24, 2023, at 10:15 AM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > i'm pretty sure you can set a dg's behavior. then you would set the
> > > behavior of that behavior to the button behavior (button id 1005 of
> > > stack "revDataGridLibrary"), OR you can include THAT script,
> > > separately, set that as the behavior, and modify it
> > > (but, what you should really do is remove your dg's and replace them
> > > with pg's, imho. they're much faster and more flexible and powerful).
> > > the project browser has a button for each behavior in the chain of an
> > > object. i'm pretty sure that levure baker's assistant does, too.
> > >
> > > On Thu, Aug 24, 2023 at 11:35 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
> > > <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> There is also the Advanced button in the property inspector (looks
> like one large gear with two smaller ones) where you can type the behavior,
> and also has the target icon. Also, you shouldn’t have to do that every
> time. Once should be enough if you save the stack afterwards.
> > >>
> > >> I note that Datagrids have no way to set the behavior, since they
> depend on their default behavior. It was discussed long ago when nested
> behaviors became a thing, that there ought to be a way to edit a list of
> behaviors of an object. In fact it shouldn’t be that difficult to make a
> Behavior Browser widget of some sort. Hmmm...
> > >>
> > >> Bob S
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> On Aug 23, 2023, at 5:00 PM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> I, too, have discovered the target icon to the right of the behavior
> object field in the property inspector. Alas, using that that I see only
> buttons on the current card (and stacks). I don’t see a way to navigate to
> a different card and select a button there. I might have missed it. — Dar
> > >>>
> > >>>> On Aug 22, 2023, at 1:05 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> you probably know this: in the property inspector, there's a panel
> for
> > >>>> behavior, so you can just select the behavior from a menu button,
> > >>>> without having to type it
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Tue, Aug 22, 2023 at 1:37 PM Dar Scott via use-livecode
> > >>>> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I figured out how to do it in the IDE. I needed to include “of
> stack” in the reference. — Dar
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> On Aug 22, 2023, at 11:09 AM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Not sure how it works in the IDE - seems a problem because it
> only presents button in the current stack.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> So I do it all in preOpen... scripts, doing something like
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> set the behavior of fld "F" of grp tmpName to the long id of
> button "RichTextFieldBehaviour" of \
> > >>>>>>>       card "Behaviours" of stack "/Users/alextweedly/Dropbox/My
> Livecode/Libraries/richText.livecode"
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Alex.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> On 22/08/2023 17:57, Dar Scott via use-livecode wrote:
> > >>>>>>> I am misremembering things about Behaviors.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> I have a card with my behavior buttons, but I can’t seem to
> point to buttons on that card. Maybe, I’m remembering what I did long ago
> with front scripts.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> I suppose I can use substacks, but I’m worried that the stacks
> would be in the message path. Is there a way to keep the stack out of the
> message path?
> > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> --
> > >>>> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> > >>>> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> > >>>> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
> > >>>> and did a little diving.
> > >>>> And God said, "This is good."
> > >>>>
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> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> > > On the second day, God created the oceans.
> > > On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
> > >   and did a little diving.
> > > And God said, "This is good."
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
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> subscription preferences:
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>
>
> --
> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>    and did a little diving.
> And God said, "This is good."
>
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From heather at livecode.com  Fri Aug 25 04:13:14 2023
From: heather at livecode.com (Heather Laine)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2023 09:13:14 +0100
Subject: OT - Mac Notarization Problem - Desperation setting in
In-Reply-To: <65E7119E-1DA1-43DC-B667-F90F7F249CFD@buffalo.edu>
References: <65E7119E-1DA1-43DC-B667-F90F7F249CFD@buffalo.edu>
Message-ID: <9DE2E7AD-8AFF-4DAF-A8E3-3F1063F6C912@livecode.com>

Tim - codesigning is not my expertise but failed password credentials I deal with frequently :). A possible gotcha is that your password is saved to your keychain, and then, if you change it, the changed password is overwritten by the saved password, invisibly since the password is hidden when entered. I would recommend deleting all saved passwords from your keychain for your certificates etc, and re-entering them to eliminate this possibility.

Probably not the issue but you never know...

Best Regards,

Heather

Heather Laine
Customer Services Manager
LiveCode Ltd
www.livecode.com



> On 24 Aug 2023, at 18:02, Timothy Bleiler via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I believe the problem I’m having is either on Apple’s end or something with my local configuration but Apple has not been very helpful and I’m running out of ideas, so I’m turning to the wealth of experience on this list in desperation.
> 
> I’ve been using the lessons from  Matthias Rebbe and V4 of his handy mrSignNotarizeHelper stack.
> Code signing seems to work fine but when I get to the Notarization step I always get an
> "Error: HTTP status code: 401. Invalid credentials. Username or password is incorrect.
> 
> I’m on an M1 Mac with OS 13.4.1, Xcode 14.3.1 is installed, Livecode 9.6.9.
> 
> So far, this is what I’ve tried with the same result
> 
> 1) Verified developer account in good status with Apple
> 2) Multiple checks of my credentials (Apple ID, team ID, app-specific password) on Apple's developer and ID sites,
> 3) Multiple checks of my credentials in the parameters I’m using
> 4) Setting up a new app specific password on my account
> 5) Trying with a different Livecode application
> 6 Trying everything manually in Terminal. (What is apparent is any subcommands of NotaryTool (e.g. submit, store-credentials) using my credentials fail with the same error.
> 
> 7) Repeat everything on a brand new user account on my Mac
> 8) Sought help through devprograms at apple.com<mailto:devprograms at apple.com>
> 
> 
> I’ve done codesigning and notarization many times before with the same developer account with no issues.
> What’s new here for me is using NotaryTool and the app-specific password.
> 
> I realize this is a long shot but I’m stuck, so it would be great if anyone has any suggestions for solving this problem (even some detail I may have missed in the steps I’ve already taken)
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Tim Bleiler, Ph.D.
> Instructional Designer, HSIT
> University at Buffalo
> 
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From merakosp at gmail.com  Fri Aug 25 05:16:44 2023
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis m)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2023 12:16:44 +0300
Subject: Polygrid sorting
In-Reply-To: <e94e5b85-75f2-85aa-4da8-7cf51408aa7e@researchware.com>
References: <e94e5b85-75f2-85aa-4da8-7cf51408aa7e@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq9z5+Gv8SW3M2V=F+gRT+H2Khzy8P218qJnwx1+_DXPQg@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Paul,

See the example in the dictionary for the "headerClick" message:

local sDirection

on headerClick pColumnNumber
    local tText

    put the text of me into tText
    put not sDirection[pColumnNumber] into sDirection[pColumnNumber]

    set the itemDel to tab

    # Sort data by this column.
    if sDirection[pColumnNumber] then
        sort lines of tText ascending by item pColumnNumber of each
    else
        sort lines of tText descending by item pColumnNumber of each
    end if

    set the text of me to tText
end headerClick

Kind regards,
Panos

--

On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 at 02:57, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> The Polygrid, unlike the Datagrid, has no built in column sorting. You
> have to roll your own.
>
> Before I write my own, has anyone written a column sort (i.e click on a
> column header to sort by it) for a Poly grid they'd care to share?
>
>
>
>
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From paul at researchware.com  Fri Aug 25 07:04:21 2023
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2023 07:04:21 -0400
Subject: Polygrid sorting
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq9z5+Gv8SW3M2V=F+gRT+H2Khzy8P218qJnwx1+_DXPQg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e94e5b85-75f2-85aa-4da8-7cf51408aa7e@researchware.com>
 <CA+JfEq9z5+Gv8SW3M2V=F+gRT+H2Khzy8P218qJnwx1+_DXPQg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c784972f-f8a8-0cb8-b671-01744124abcd@researchware.com>

Thank you Panos!

I must be going blind not to have seen the example when I clicked on the 
Dictionary entry for the message!

On 8/25/2023 5:16 AM, panagiotis m via use-livecode wrote:
> Hello Paul,
>
> See the example in the dictionary for the "headerClick" message:
>
> local sDirection
>
> on headerClick pColumnNumber
>      local tText
>
>      put the text of me into tText
>      put not sDirection[pColumnNumber] into sDirection[pColumnNumber]
>
>      set the itemDel to tab
>
>      # Sort data by this column.
>      if sDirection[pColumnNumber] then
>          sort lines of tText ascending by item pColumnNumber of each
>      else
>          sort lines of tText descending by item pColumnNumber of each
>      end if
>
>      set the text of me to tText
> end headerClick
>
> Kind regards,
> Panos
>
> --
>
> On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 at 02:57, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> The Polygrid, unlike the Datagrid, has no built in column sorting. You
>> have to roll your own.
>>
>> Before I write my own, has anyone written a column sort (i.e click on a
>> column header to sort by it) for a Poly grid they'd care to share?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
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From roger.e.eller at sealedair.com  Fri Aug 25 09:10:22 2023
From: roger.e.eller at sealedair.com (Eller, Roger)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2023 13:10:22 +0000
Subject: Merging PDF pages
Message-ID: <BN8PR14MB2913ED08DBE6439CD248F041AFE3A@BN8PR14MB2913.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>

It's been a while since I've posted a question here.  Is it possible to use livecode script to merge multiple 1-page PDFs into a multipage PDF without using Acrobat or other 3rd party software?

Thanks.

~Roger



From craig at starfirelighting.com  Fri Aug 25 09:33:44 2023
From: craig at starfirelighting.com (Craig Newman)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2023 09:33:44 -0400
Subject: Merging PDF pages
In-Reply-To: <BN8PR14MB2913ED08DBE6439CD248F041AFE3A@BN8PR14MB2913.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BN8PR14MB2913ED08DBE6439CD248F041AFE3A@BN8PR14MB2913.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <6409CAFB-BDFC-4F1B-9838-5EBAEA51624B@starfirelighting.com>

Hi.

Sure. Try this in a button on card 1 of a new stack with, say, three cards:

on mouseUp

get the desktop folder

open printing to pdf it & "/" & “yourNamehere" & ".pdf"

repeat with x = 1 to 3

print card x

end repeat

close printing

end mouseUp



And I wonder if the new pdf widget has that built in.



Craig


> On Aug 25, 2023, at 9:10 AM, Eller, Roger via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> It's been a while since I've posted a question here.  Is it possible to use livecode script to merge multiple 1-page PDFs into a multipage PDF without using Acrobat or other 3rd party software?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> ~Roger
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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From craig at starfirelighting.com  Fri Aug 25 09:39:56 2023
From: craig at starfirelighting.com (Craig Newman)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2023 09:39:56 -0400
Subject: Merging PDF pages
In-Reply-To: <6409CAFB-BDFC-4F1B-9838-5EBAEA51624B@starfirelighting.com>
References: <BN8PR14MB2913ED08DBE6439CD248F041AFE3A@BN8PR14MB2913.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
 <6409CAFB-BDFC-4F1B-9838-5EBAEA51624B@starfirelighting.com>
Message-ID: <0A45F528-142B-4FCE-A5E4-CC935D256AFB@starfirelighting.com>

Hmmm.

Rereading, did you want to be able to collect existing pdf documents, read them, and then output a single new PDF?   If so, I guess you can import those documents as images on successive cards, and do what I posted earlier.

Seems clunky, but then you are asking LC to do something clunky.

Craig

> On Aug 25, 2023, at 9:33 AM, Craig Newman via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi.
> 
> Sure. Try this in a button on card 1 of a new stack with, say, three cards:
> 
> on mouseUp
> 
> get the desktop folder
> 
> open printing to pdf it & "/" & “yourNamehere" & ".pdf"
> 
> repeat with x = 1 to 3
> 
> print card x
> 
> end repeat
> 
> close printing
> 
> end mouseUp
> 
> 
> 
> And I wonder if the new pdf widget has that built in.
> 
> 
> 
> Craig
> 
> 
>> On Aug 25, 2023, at 9:10 AM, Eller, Roger via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> It's been a while since I've posted a question here.  Is it possible to use livecode script to merge multiple 1-page PDFs into a multipage PDF without using Acrobat or other 3rd party software?
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> ~Roger
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Fri Aug 25 09:58:10 2023
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2023 16:58:10 +0300
Subject: Merging PDF pages
In-Reply-To: <0A45F528-142B-4FCE-A5E4-CC935D256AFB@starfirelighting.com>
References: <BN8PR14MB2913ED08DBE6439CD248F041AFE3A@BN8PR14MB2913.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
 <6409CAFB-BDFC-4F1B-9838-5EBAEA51624B@starfirelighting.com>
 <0A45F528-142B-4FCE-A5E4-CC935D256AFB@starfirelighting.com>
Message-ID: <89e805a0-da4d-4468-ac39-f79d31e2268e@gmail.com>

Humph . . . importing documents at images and then knitting them 
together . . . be aware that you will lose one the most valuable things 
about a PDF document: the embedded text layer.

Richmond.

On 25.08.23 16:39, Craig Newman via use-livecode wrote:
> Hmmm.
>
> Rereading, did you want to be able to collect existing pdf documents, read them, and then output a single new PDF?   If so, I guess you can import those documents as images on successive cards, and do what I posted earlier.
>
> Seems clunky, but then you are asking LC to do something clunky.
>
> Craig
>
>> On Aug 25, 2023, at 9:33 AM, Craig Newman via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi.
>>
>> Sure. Try this in a button on card 1 of a new stack with, say, three cards:
>>
>> on mouseUp
>>
>> get the desktop folder
>>
>> open printing to pdf it & "/" & yourNamehere" & ".pdf"
>>
>> repeat with x = 1 to 3
>>
>> print card x
>>
>> end repeat
>>
>> close printing
>>
>> end mouseUp
>>
>>
>>
>> And I wonder if the new pdf widget has that built in.
>>
>>
>>
>> Craig
>>
>>
>>> On Aug 25, 2023, at 9:10 AM, Eller, Roger via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> It's been a while since I've posted a question here.  Is it possible to use livecode script to merge multiple 1-page PDFs into a multipage PDF without using Acrobat or other 3rd party software?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> ~Roger
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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From craig at starfirelighting.com  Fri Aug 25 10:03:02 2023
From: craig at starfirelighting.com (Craig Newman)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2023 10:03:02 -0400
Subject: Merging PDF pages
In-Reply-To: <0A45F528-142B-4FCE-A5E4-CC935D256AFB@starfirelighting.com>
References: <BN8PR14MB2913ED08DBE6439CD248F041AFE3A@BN8PR14MB2913.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
 <6409CAFB-BDFC-4F1B-9838-5EBAEA51624B@starfirelighting.com>
 <0A45F528-142B-4FCE-A5E4-CC935D256AFB@starfirelighting.com>
Message-ID: <73387718-83BB-469A-AE58-137DB4F8C1D9@starfirelighting.com>

Richmond.

Did I mention this was a bit clunky?

Craig

> On Aug 25, 2023, at 9:39 AM, Craig Newman via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hmmm.
> 
> Rereading, did you want to be able to collect existing pdf documents, read them, and then output a single new PDF?   If so, I guess you can import those documents as images on successive cards, and do what I posted earlier.
> 
> Seems clunky, but then you are asking LC to do something clunky.
> 
> Craig
> 
>> On Aug 25, 2023, at 9:33 AM, Craig Newman via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi.
>> 
>> Sure. Try this in a button on card 1 of a new stack with, say, three cards:
>> 
>> on mouseUp
>> 
>> get the desktop folder
>> 
>> open printing to pdf it & "/" & “yourNamehere" & ".pdf"
>> 
>> repeat with x = 1 to 3
>> 
>> print card x
>> 
>> end repeat
>> 
>> close printing
>> 
>> end mouseUp
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> And I wonder if the new pdf widget has that built in.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Craig
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 25, 2023, at 9:10 AM, Eller, Roger via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> It's been a while since I've posted a question here.  Is it possible to use livecode script to merge multiple 1-page PDFs into a multipage PDF without using Acrobat or other 3rd party software?
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> ~Roger
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> 
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From paul at researchware.com  Fri Aug 25 10:22:07 2023
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2023 10:22:07 -0400
Subject: Merging PDF pages
In-Reply-To: <BN8PR14MB2913ED08DBE6439CD248F041AFE3A@BN8PR14MB2913.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BN8PR14MB2913ED08DBE6439CD248F041AFE3A@BN8PR14MB2913.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <0d130f7d-9c5c-c18e-ecfe-b5c83a4cd5ab@researchware.com>

The short answer is NO. There is nothing built into Livecode to take a 
set fo existing PDF files and append them to create a readable PDF that 
is them all stitched together. Neither the XPDF external nor the PDF 
widget will do this.

You best option is to use some 3rd party command line utility that will 
merge PDF files that works on the platform or platforms your want to do 
this on and use the Livecode shell() function to call that command line 
utility.

If this is going to be a distributed standalone, you can actually read 
the utility as a binary file and compress it as a staved property in 
your application, that can uncompress and install it on any target computer.

We do this with the popular free open-source video tool ffmpeg for macOS 
and WIndows. Our app install it if needed on the target computer from a 
compressed copy bundled into our app and we use SHELL() to call it to do 
several video operations that can't be done in Livecode.

Paul Dupuis
Researchware



On 8/25/2023 9:10 AM, Eller, Roger via use-livecode wrote:
> It's been a while since I've posted a question here.  Is it possible to use livecode script to merge multiple 1-page PDFs into a multipage PDF without using Acrobat or other 3rd party software?
>
> Thanks.
>
> ~Roger
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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From bleiler at buffalo.edu  Fri Aug 25 10:37:57 2023
From: bleiler at buffalo.edu (Timothy Bleiler)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2023 14:37:57 +0000
Subject: OT - Mac Notarization Problem - Desperation setting in
In-Reply-To: <9DE2E7AD-8AFF-4DAF-A8E3-3F1063F6C912@livecode.com>
References: <65E7119E-1DA1-43DC-B667-F90F7F249CFD@buffalo.edu>
 <9DE2E7AD-8AFF-4DAF-A8E3-3F1063F6C912@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <6B0CBBC2-5759-4E5F-B9D2-43CFC50D0CC0@buffalo.edu>

Thank you Heather,

I’ll take a look.  Matthias Rebbe is also trying to help me find the problem.

Regards,
Tim Bleiler



> On Aug 25, 2023, at 4:13 AM, Heather Laine via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> Tim - codesigning is not my expertise but failed password credentials I deal with frequently :). A possible gotcha is that your password is saved to your keychain, and then, if you change it, the changed password is overwritten by the saved password, invisibly since the password is hidden when entered. I would recommend deleting all saved passwords from your keychain for your certificates etc, and re-entering them to eliminate this possibility.
>
> Probably not the issue but you never know...
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Heather
>
> Heather Laine
> Customer Services Manager
> LiveCode Ltd
> http://www.livecode.com/
>
>
>
>> On 24 Aug 2023, at 18:02, Timothy Bleiler via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I believe the problem I’m having is either on Apple’s end or something with my local configuration but Apple has not been very helpful and I’m running out of ideas, so I’m turning to the wealth of experience on this list in desperation.
>>
>> I’ve been using the lessons from  Matthias Rebbe and V4 of his handy mrSignNotarizeHelper stack.
>> Code signing seems to work fine but when I get to the Notarization step I always get an
>> "Error: HTTP status code: 401. Invalid credentials. Username or password is incorrect.
>>
>> I’m on an M1 Mac with OS 13.4.1, Xcode 14.3.1 is installed, Livecode 9.6.9.
>>
>> So far, this is what I’ve tried with the same result
>>
>> 1) Verified developer account in good status with Apple
>> 2) Multiple checks of my credentials (Apple ID, team ID, app-specific password) on Apple's developer and ID sites,
>> 3) Multiple checks of my credentials in the parameters I’m using
>> 4) Setting up a new app specific password on my account
>> 5) Trying with a different Livecode application
>> 6 Trying everything manually in Terminal. (What is apparent is any subcommands of NotaryTool (e.g. submit, store-credentials) using my credentials fail with the same error.
>>
>> 7) Repeat everything on a brand new user account on my Mac
>> 8) Sought help through devprograms at apple.com<mailto:devprograms at apple.com>
>>
>>
>> I’ve done codesigning and notarization many times before with the same developer account with no issues.
>> What’s new here for me is using NotaryTool and the app-specific password.
>>
>> I realize this is a long shot but I’m stuck, so it would be great if anyone has any suggestions for solving this problem (even some detail I may have missed in the steps I’ve already taken)
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Tim Bleiler, Ph.D.
>> Instructional Designer, HSIT
>> University at Buffalo
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>
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From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Fri Aug 25 10:44:08 2023
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2023 16:44:08 +0200
Subject: OT - Mac Notarization Problem - Desperation setting in
In-Reply-To: <6B0CBBC2-5759-4E5F-B9D2-43CFC50D0CC0@buffalo.edu>
References: <65E7119E-1DA1-43DC-B667-F90F7F249CFD@buffalo.edu>
 <9DE2E7AD-8AFF-4DAF-A8E3-3F1063F6C912@livecode.com>
 <6B0CBBC2-5759-4E5F-B9D2-43CFC50D0CC0@buffalo.edu>
Message-ID: <186D0CBE-2783-44A3-9040-5D4395E1F269@m-r-d.de>

The Keychain.app does not have any influence on passwords entered in the command line.
Passwords entered in terminal will not be replaced by Keychain.app.

> Am 25.08.2023 um 16:37 schrieb Timothy Bleiler via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Thank you Heather,
> 
> I’ll take a look.  Matthias Rebbe is also trying to help me find the problem.
> 
> Regards,
> Tim Bleiler
> 
> 
> 
>> On Aug 25, 2023, at 4:13 AM, Heather Laine via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Tim - codesigning is not my expertise but failed password credentials I deal with frequently :). A possible gotcha is that your password is saved to your keychain, and then, if you change it, the changed password is overwritten by the saved password, invisibly since the password is hidden when entered. I would recommend deleting all saved passwords from your keychain for your certificates etc, and re-entering them to eliminate this possibility.
>> 
>> Probably not the issue but you never know...
>> 
>> Best Regards,
>> 
>> Heather
>> 
>> Heather Laine
>> Customer Services Manager
>> LiveCode Ltd
>> http://www.livecode.com/
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 24 Aug 2023, at 18:02, Timothy Bleiler via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I believe the problem I’m having is either on Apple’s end or something with my local configuration but Apple has not been very helpful and I’m running out of ideas, so I’m turning to the wealth of experience on this list in desperation.
>>> 
>>> I’ve been using the lessons from  Matthias Rebbe and V4 of his handy mrSignNotarizeHelper stack.
>>> Code signing seems to work fine but when I get to the Notarization step I always get an
>>> "Error: HTTP status code: 401. Invalid credentials. Username or password is incorrect.
>>> 
>>> I’m on an M1 Mac with OS 13.4.1, Xcode 14.3.1 is installed, Livecode 9.6.9.
>>> 
>>> So far, this is what I’ve tried with the same result
>>> 
>>> 1) Verified developer account in good status with Apple
>>> 2) Multiple checks of my credentials (Apple ID, team ID, app-specific password) on Apple's developer and ID sites,
>>> 3) Multiple checks of my credentials in the parameters I’m using
>>> 4) Setting up a new app specific password on my account
>>> 5) Trying with a different Livecode application
>>> 6 Trying everything manually in Terminal. (What is apparent is any subcommands of NotaryTool (e.g. submit, store-credentials) using my credentials fail with the same error.
>>> 
>>> 7) Repeat everything on a brand new user account on my Mac
>>> 8) Sought help through devprograms at apple.com<mailto:devprograms at apple.com>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I’ve done codesigning and notarization many times before with the same developer account with no issues.
>>> What’s new here for me is using NotaryTool and the app-specific password.
>>> 
>>> I realize this is a long shot but I’m stuck, so it would be great if anyone has any suggestions for solving this problem (even some detail I may have missed in the steps I’ve already taken)
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Tim Bleiler, Ph.D.
>>> Instructional Designer, HSIT
>>> University at Buffalo
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> 
>> 
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From merakosp at gmail.com  Fri Aug 25 10:52:55 2023
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis m)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2023 17:52:55 +0300
Subject: Merging PDF pages
In-Reply-To: <0d130f7d-9c5c-c18e-ecfe-b5c83a4cd5ab@researchware.com>
References: <BN8PR14MB2913ED08DBE6439CD248F041AFE3A@BN8PR14MB2913.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
 <0d130f7d-9c5c-c18e-ecfe-b5c83a4cd5ab@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq-y9d4yYnX0NMEtMCE6qPCqbOSJrm2JoaEF=ZVm8qGZbg@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all,

There is a built-in utility on MacOS for merging PDFs. You can call it from
"shell", as Paul suggested.

This seems to work - tested on MacOS Mojave. It merges "test1.pdf" and
"test2.pdf" into "merged.pdf" on Desktop.
Just check that the path of tApp actually exists in modern MacOS as well.

on mouseUp pButtonNumber
   local tShell, tApp
   put quote & "/System/Library/Automator/Combine PDF
Pages.action/Contents/Resources/join.py" & quote \
         into tApp
   put tApp && "-o ~/Desktop/merged.pdf ~/Desktop/test1.pdf
~/Desktop/test2.pdf" \
         into tShell
   get shell(tShell)
end mouseUp

Cheers,
Panos
--

On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 at 17:23, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> The short answer is NO. There is nothing built into Livecode to take a
> set fo existing PDF files and append them to create a readable PDF that
> is them all stitched together. Neither the XPDF external nor the PDF
> widget will do this.
>
> You best option is to use some 3rd party command line utility that will
> merge PDF files that works on the platform or platforms your want to do
> this on and use the Livecode shell() function to call that command line
> utility.
>
> If this is going to be a distributed standalone, you can actually read
> the utility as a binary file and compress it as a staved property in
> your application, that can uncompress and install it on any target
> computer.
>
> We do this with the popular free open-source video tool ffmpeg for macOS
> and WIndows. Our app install it if needed on the target computer from a
> compressed copy bundled into our app and we use SHELL() to call it to do
> several video operations that can't be done in Livecode.
>
> Paul Dupuis
> Researchware
>
>
>
> On 8/25/2023 9:10 AM, Eller, Roger via use-livecode wrote:
> > It's been a while since I've posted a question here.  Is it possible to
> use livecode script to merge multiple 1-page PDFs into a multipage PDF
> without using Acrobat or other 3rd party software?
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > ~Roger
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>
>
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From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Fri Aug 25 11:00:23 2023
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2023 17:00:23 +0200
Subject: Merging PDF pages
In-Reply-To: <BN8PR14MB2913ED08DBE6439CD248F041AFE3A@BN8PR14MB2913.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BN8PR14MB2913ED08DBE6439CD248F041AFE3A@BN8PR14MB2913.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <AB43A066-941B-4B57-A1DC-311C27E8EFD9@m-r-d.de>

On which OS are you planning to do this?

On Windows and macOS you could make use of PDFTK server from PDFLabs.com <http://pdflabs.com/>

On macOS  PDFTK Server normally  has to be installed to use it. But you could follow these steps here to get it working w/o installation.

1. Do not use the d/l link for pdftk Server from the pdfLabs website. That version will not work on macOS11 and up. Instead download this version of PDFTK Server. Sid Steward created a new version but did not update the d/l link
https://www.pdflabs.com/tools/pdftk-the-pdf-toolkit/pdftk_server-2.02-mac_osx-10.11-setup.pkg

2. to extract the pkg run the following in Terminal
pkgutil --expand <source path of pkg>  <destinaltion path>

If the source path to the pkg contains spaces then put quotes around the path.

After extraction you'll find the 2 folders lib and bin and some others .The 2 mentioned ones are needed. 

Now in LC you can use shell shell function to call the pdftk

Example
set the folder to "path to the bin folder"

put shell("./pdftk  file1.pdf file2.pdf file3.pdf cat output mynewfile.pdf")


would create combine the three file..pdf file into a new one called mynewfile.pdf


I wrote this in a hurry, so i might have some error in my explanation. Just ask, if you have problems.

Regards,

Matthias

> Am 25.08.2023 um 15:10 schrieb Eller, Roger via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> It's been a while since I've posted a question here.  Is it possible to use livecode script to merge multiple 1-page PDFs into a multipage PDF without using Acrobat or other 3rd party software?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> ~Roger
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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From marksmithhfx at gmail.com  Fri Aug 25 11:24:08 2023
From: marksmithhfx at gmail.com (Mark Smith)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2023 16:24:08 +0100
Subject: OT - Mac Notarization Problem - Desperation setting in
In-Reply-To: <6B0CBBC2-5759-4E5F-B9D2-43CFC50D0CC0@buffalo.edu>
References: <65E7119E-1DA1-43DC-B667-F90F7F249CFD@buffalo.edu>
 <9DE2E7AD-8AFF-4DAF-A8E3-3F1063F6C912@livecode.com>
 <6B0CBBC2-5759-4E5F-B9D2-43CFC50D0CC0@buffalo.edu>
Message-ID: <53FADCF6-21F5-4F09-9F54-983E184F56A0@gmail.com>

Hi Tim,

Codesigning is (as you probably know) one of the tricker bits of building an app for distribution (and I’ve certainly had my share of failures and frustrations along the way). I am following this thread closely so if you don’t mind sharing, I’d be interested in hearing what the solution is, once you’ve found it. 

Cheers and best of luck,
Mark

> On 25 Aug 2023, at 3:37 pm, Timothy Bleiler via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Thank you Heather,
> 
> I’ll take a look.  Matthias Rebbe is also trying to help me find the problem.
> 
> Regards,
> Tim Bleiler
> 
> 
> 
>> On Aug 25, 2023, at 4:13 AM, Heather Laine via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Tim - codesigning is not my expertise but failed password credentials I deal with frequently :). A possible gotcha is that your password is saved to your keychain, and then, if you change it, the changed password is overwritten by the saved password, invisibly since the password is hidden when entered. I would recommend deleting all saved passwords from your keychain for your certificates etc, and re-entering them to eliminate this possibility.
>> 
>> Probably not the issue but you never know...
>> 
>> Best Regards,
>> 
>> Heather
>> 
>> Heather Laine
>> Customer Services Manager
>> LiveCode Ltd
>> http://www.livecode.com/ <http://www.livecode.com/>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 24 Aug 2023, at 18:02, Timothy Bleiler via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I believe the problem I’m having is either on Apple’s end or something with my local configuration but Apple has not been very helpful and I’m running out of ideas, so I’m turning to the wealth of experience on this list in desperation.
>>> 
>>> I’ve been using the lessons from  Matthias Rebbe and V4 of his handy mrSignNotarizeHelper stack.
>>> Code signing seems to work fine but when I get to the Notarization step I always get an
>>> "Error: HTTP status code: 401. Invalid credentials. Username or password is incorrect.
>>> 
>>> I’m on an M1 Mac with OS 13.4.1, Xcode 14.3.1 is installed, Livecode 9.6.9.
>>> 
>>> So far, this is what I’ve tried with the same result
>>> 
>>> 1) Verified developer account in good status with Apple
>>> 2) Multiple checks of my credentials (Apple ID, team ID, app-specific password) on Apple's developer and ID sites,
>>> 3) Multiple checks of my credentials in the parameters I’m using
>>> 4) Setting up a new app specific password on my account
>>> 5) Trying with a different Livecode application
>>> 6 Trying everything manually in Terminal. (What is apparent is any subcommands of NotaryTool (e.g. submit, store-credentials) using my credentials fail with the same error.
>>> 
>>> 7) Repeat everything on a brand new user account on my Mac
>>> 8) Sought help through devprograms at apple.com<mailto:devprograms at apple.com>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I’ve done codesigning and notarization many times before with the same developer account with no issues.
>>> What’s new here for me is using NotaryTool and the app-specific password.
>>> 
>>> I realize this is a long shot but I’m stuck, so it would be great if anyone has any suggestions for solving this problem (even some detail I may have missed in the steps I’ve already taken)
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Tim Bleiler, Ph.D.
>>> Instructional Designer, HSIT
>>> University at Buffalo
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> 
>> 
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From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Fri Aug 25 14:16:01 2023
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2023 20:16:01 +0200
Subject: Merging PDF pages
In-Reply-To: <AB43A066-941B-4B57-A1DC-311C27E8EFD9@m-r-d.de>
References: <BN8PR14MB2913ED08DBE6439CD248F041AFE3A@BN8PR14MB2913.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
 <AB43A066-941B-4B57-A1DC-311C27E8EFD9@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <37B87F81-5AC8-40C7-AA0D-E518B7688A12@m-r-d.de>

Just noticed that my steps are missing something.
So here's version 2 of it.

1. download
https://www.pdflabs.com/tools/pdftk-the-pdf-toolkit/pdftk_server-2.02-mac_osx-10.11-setup.pkg

2. to extract the pkg run the following in Terminal
pkgutil --expand <source path of pkg>  <destinaltion path>

If the source path to the pkg contains spaces then put quotes around the path.

3. Now open the destination path to which you've extracted the .pkg. There should be another pkg pdftk.pkg

4. right click the file pdftk.pkg  and select "show package content"

5. Now you should see a file payload. Right click that file and select "open with" and select the archive utility to decompress the file payload.

6. After extraction you'll find a new folder "Payload 2"

7. open that folder. In that folder you will find the Lib and Bin folder. Copy those folder to another location.

Now in LC you can use shell shell function to call the pdftk

Example
set the folder to "path to the bin folder"

put shell("./pdftk  file1.pdf file2.pdf file3.pdf cat output mynewfile.pdf")


would create combine the three file..pdf file into a new one called mynewfile.pdf

To use pdftk server in your standalone  you just have to include both folders in your standalone.


On Windows you first have to run the setup of pdftk server. During the installation you can select the folder where pdftk server shall be installed. You then can copy the bin folder from that installation folder
and use it with your standalone on any other computer without the need to run the setup on that computer.




> Am 25.08.2023 um 17:00 schrieb matthias rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> On which OS are you planning to do this?
> 
> On Windows and macOS you could make use of PDFTK server from PDFLabs.com <http://pdflabs.com/>
> 
> On macOS  PDFTK Server normally  has to be installed to use it. But you could follow these steps here to get it working w/o installation.
> 
> 1. Do not use the d/l link for pdftk Server from the pdfLabs website. That version will not work on macOS11 and up. Instead download this version of PDFTK Server. Sid Steward created a new version but did not update the d/l link
> https://www.pdflabs.com/tools/pdftk-the-pdf-toolkit/pdftk_server-2.02-mac_osx-10.11-setup.pkg
> 
> 2. to extract the pkg run the following in Terminal
> pkgutil --expand <source path of pkg>  <destinaltion path>
> 
> If the source path to the pkg contains spaces then put quotes around the path.
> 
> After extraction you'll find the 2 folders lib and bin and some others .The 2 mentioned ones are needed. 
> 
> Now in LC you can use shell shell function to call the pdftk
> 
> Example
> set the folder to "path to the bin folder"
> 
> put shell("./pdftk  file1.pdf file2.pdf file3.pdf cat output mynewfile.pdf")
> 
> 
> would create combine the three file..pdf file into a new one called mynewfile.pdf
> 
> 
> I wrote this in a hurry, so i might have some error in my explanation. Just ask, if you have problems.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Matthias
> 
>> Am 25.08.2023 um 15:10 schrieb Eller, Roger via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>> 
>> It's been a while since I've posted a question here.  Is it possible to use livecode script to merge multiple 1-page PDFs into a multipage PDF without using Acrobat or other 3rd party software?
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> ~Roger
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> 
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From scott at elementarysoftware.com  Fri Aug 25 14:38:42 2023
From: scott at elementarysoftware.com (scott at elementarysoftware.com)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2023 11:38:42 -0700
Subject: OT - Mac Notarization Problem - Desperation setting in
In-Reply-To: <53FADCF6-21F5-4F09-9F54-983E184F56A0@gmail.com>
References: <65E7119E-1DA1-43DC-B667-F90F7F249CFD@buffalo.edu>
 <9DE2E7AD-8AFF-4DAF-A8E3-3F1063F6C912@livecode.com>
 <6B0CBBC2-5759-4E5F-B9D2-43CFC50D0CC0@buffalo.edu>
 <53FADCF6-21F5-4F09-9F54-983E184F56A0@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2C904D9D-C5D8-4E6F-A61F-2650ECCC49FA@elementarysoftware.com>

I use Matthias' brilliant “mrSignNotarizeHelperV4.livecode” project regularly and when I’ve had a problem in the past, ticking the “Debug mode” checkbox (which places each step of the terminal commands in the message box when you click the “Start” button) and then manually entering each of these steps as a command line in Terminal.app, has been helpful in figuring out exactly what step was failing. And sometimes, why.

--
Scott Morrow

Elementary Software
(Now with 20% less chalk dust!)
web       https://elementarysoftware.com/
email     scott at elementarysoftware.com
booth    1-360-734-4701
------------------------------------------------------

> On Aug 25, 2023, at 8:24 AM, Mark Smith via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim,
> 
> Codesigning is (as you probably know) one of the tricker bits of building an app for distribution (and I’ve certainly had my share of failures and frustrations along the way). I am following this thread closely so if you don’t mind sharing, I’d be interested in hearing what the solution is, once you’ve found it. 
> 
> Cheers and best of luck,
> Mark
> 
>> On 25 Aug 2023, at 3:37 pm, Timothy Bleiler via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Thank you Heather,
>> 
>> I’ll take a look.  Matthias Rebbe is also trying to help me find the problem.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Tim Bleiler
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 25, 2023, at 4:13 AM, Heather Laine via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Tim - codesigning is not my expertise but failed password credentials I deal with frequently :). A possible gotcha is that your password is saved to your keychain, and then, if you change it, the changed password is overwritten by the saved password, invisibly since the password is hidden when entered. I would recommend deleting all saved passwords from your keychain for your certificates etc, and re-entering them to eliminate this possibility.
>>> 
>>> Probably not the issue but you never know...
>>> 
>>> Best Regards,
>>> 
>>> Heather
>>> 
>>> Heather Laine
>>> Customer Services Manager
>>> LiveCode Ltd
>>> http://www.livecode.com/ <http://www.livecode.com/>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 24 Aug 2023, at 18:02, Timothy Bleiler via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> 
>>>> I believe the problem I’m having is either on Apple’s end or something with my local configuration but Apple has not been very helpful and I’m running out of ideas, so I’m turning to the wealth of experience on this list in desperation.
>>>> 
>>>> I’ve been using the lessons from  Matthias Rebbe and V4 of his handy mrSignNotarizeHelper stack.
>>>> Code signing seems to work fine but when I get to the Notarization step I always get an
>>>> "Error: HTTP status code: 401. Invalid credentials. Username or password is incorrect.
>>>> 
>>>> I’m on an M1 Mac with OS 13.4.1, Xcode 14.3.1 is installed, Livecode 9.6.9.
>>>> 
>>>> So far, this is what I’ve tried with the same result
>>>> 
>>>> 1) Verified developer account in good status with Apple
>>>> 2) Multiple checks of my credentials (Apple ID, team ID, app-specific password) on Apple's developer and ID sites,
>>>> 3) Multiple checks of my credentials in the parameters I’m using
>>>> 4) Setting up a new app specific password on my account
>>>> 5) Trying with a different Livecode application
>>>> 6 Trying everything manually in Terminal. (What is apparent is any subcommands of NotaryTool (e.g. submit, store-credentials) using my credentials fail with the same error.
>>>> 
>>>> 7) Repeat everything on a brand new user account on my Mac
>>>> 8) Sought help through devprograms at apple.com<mailto:devprograms at apple.com>
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I’ve done codesigning and notarization many times before with the same developer account with no issues.
>>>> What’s new here for me is using NotaryTool and the app-specific password.
>>>> 
>>>> I realize this is a long shot but I’m stuck, so it would be great if anyone has any suggestions for solving this problem (even some detail I may have missed in the steps I’ve already taken)
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> 
>>>> Tim Bleiler, Ph.D.
>>>> Instructional Designer, HSIT
>>>> University at Buffalo
>>>> 








From bleiler at buffalo.edu  Fri Aug 25 16:34:24 2023
From: bleiler at buffalo.edu (Timothy Bleiler)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2023 20:34:24 +0000
Subject: OT - Mac Notarization Problem - Desperation setting in
In-Reply-To: <2C904D9D-C5D8-4E6F-A61F-2650ECCC49FA@elementarysoftware.com>
References: <65E7119E-1DA1-43DC-B667-F90F7F249CFD@buffalo.edu>
 <9DE2E7AD-8AFF-4DAF-A8E3-3F1063F6C912@livecode.com>
 <6B0CBBC2-5759-4E5F-B9D2-43CFC50D0CC0@buffalo.edu>
 <53FADCF6-21F5-4F09-9F54-983E184F56A0@gmail.com>
 <2C904D9D-C5D8-4E6F-A61F-2650ECCC49FA@elementarysoftware.com>
Message-ID: <F831C52C-885B-4B0D-A941-857020E0EEE1@buffalo.edu>

I think I’ve solved it.  I’m very grateful to Matthias both for his code signing tool and his personal help with this problem.

In the end it looks like the trouble was caused by a combination of my limited experience with the process and a lack of helpful feedback from Apple’s online tools at critical points.

Here’s what happened.
- I have 2 user accounts on my Mac that use different Apple IDs.

- Somehow the one I use for the Apple developer account had made my Mac NOT a trusted device for the Apple ID I use for development. I have no idea how this happened.
You can verify that your device is trusted at appleid.apple.com<http://appleid.apple.com/> for your account under “Devices”.

- Despite the device not being trusted for the account, the website let me think I’d created an app-specific password. I hadn’t succeed, but my lack of experience prevented me from realizing that the second step of the process is getting the actual password back from Apple and copying it down.  I didn’t get anything, no error message, so in my ignorance I thought the seed string I’d typed in WAS the password. So, I did NOT have an actual app-specific password to use in the NotaryTool commands. This caused all commands dependent on an app-specific password to fail.

What solved it for me was to go to System Settings, sign out of the Apple account on the mac and sign back in again.
Then sign back in to appleid.apple.com<http://appleid.apple.com/>, verify that my Mac was a trusted device on my developer account and then create a NEW app-specific password.
This time I saw the second part when they send the actual password. I think you need to copy this down because I don’t see any way to recover it again later.

Once I had the new app-specific password and my Mac was a trusted device in my developer account, the notaryTool commands worked without errors.

It all makes me long for the days when we could easily pass around Hypercard stacks for the fun of it!!



On Aug 25, 2023, at 2:38 PM, scott--- via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

I use Matthias' brilliant “mrSignNotarizeHelperV4.livecode” project regularly and when I’ve had a problem in the past, ticking the “Debug mode” checkbox (which places each step of the terminal commands in the message box when you click the “Start” button) and then manually entering each of these steps as a command line in Terminal.app, has been helpful in figuring out exactly what step was failing. And sometimes, why.

--
Scott Morrow

Elementary Software
(Now with 20% less chalk dust!)
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On Aug 25, 2023, at 8:24 AM, Mark Smith via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

Hi Tim,

Codesigning is (as you probably know) one of the tricker bits of building an app for distribution (and I’ve certainly had my share of failures and frustrations along the way). I am following this thread closely so if you don’t mind sharing, I’d be interested in hearing what the solution is, once you’ve found it.

Cheers and best of luck,
Mark

On 25 Aug 2023, at 3:37 pm, Timothy Bleiler via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

Thank you Heather,

I’ll take a look.  Matthias Rebbe is also trying to help me find the problem.

Regards,
Tim Bleiler



On Aug 25, 2023, at 4:13 AM, Heather Laine via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:

Tim - codesigning is not my expertise but failed password credentials I deal with frequently :). A possible gotcha is that your password is saved to your keychain, and then, if you change it, the changed password is overwritten by the saved password, invisibly since the password is hidden when entered. I would recommend deleting all saved passwords from your keychain for your certificates etc, and re-entering them to eliminate this possibility.

Probably not the issue but you never know...

Best Regards,

Heather

Heather Laine
Customer Services Manager
LiveCode Ltd
https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.livecode.com%2F&data=05%7C01%7Cbleiler%40buffalo.edu%7Ccc7afb2eab1b4bcb60b608dba59aa569%7C96464a8af8ed40b199e25f6b50a20250%7C0%7C0%7C638285855863548154%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=Eaw78gb3oD9j4XuzyHu%2FdyRRerM%2FT0GunR2oGocDSzM%3D&reserved=0 <https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.livecode.com%2F&data=05%7C01%7Cbleiler%40buffalo.edu%7Ccc7afb2eab1b4bcb60b608dba59aa569%7C96464a8af8ed40b199e25f6b50a20250%7C0%7C0%7C638285855863548154%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=Eaw78gb3oD9j4XuzyHu%2FdyRRerM%2FT0GunR2oGocDSzM%3D&reserved=0>



On 24 Aug 2023, at 18:02, Timothy Bleiler via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

Hi all,

I believe the problem I’m having is either on Apple’s end or something with my local configuration but Apple has not been very helpful and I’m running out of ideas, so I’m turning to the wealth of experience on this list in desperation.

I’ve been using the lessons from  Matthias Rebbe and V4 of his handy mrSignNotarizeHelper stack.
Code signing seems to work fine but when I get to the Notarization step I always get an
"Error: HTTP status code: 401. Invalid credentials. Username or password is incorrect.

I’m on an M1 Mac with OS 13.4.1, Xcode 14.3.1 is installed, Livecode 9.6.9.

So far, this is what I’ve tried with the same result

1) Verified developer account in good status with Apple
2) Multiple checks of my credentials (Apple ID, team ID, app-specific password) on Apple's developer and ID sites,
3) Multiple checks of my credentials in the parameters I’m using
4) Setting up a new app specific password on my account
5) Trying with a different Livecode application
6 Trying everything manually in Terminal. (What is apparent is any subcommands of NotaryTool (e.g. submit, store-credentials) using my credentials fail with the same error.

7) Repeat everything on a brand new user account on my Mac
8) Sought help through devprograms at apple.com<mailto:devprograms at apple.com>


I’ve done codesigning and notarization many times before with the same developer account with no issues.
What’s new here for me is using NotaryTool and the app-specific password.

I realize this is a long shot but I’m stuck, so it would be great if anyone has any suggestions for solving this problem (even some detail I may have missed in the steps I’ve already taken)

Thanks,

Tim Bleiler, Ph.D.
Instructional Designer, HSIT
University at Buffalo








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From bleiler at buffalo.edu  Fri Aug 25 16:41:28 2023
From: bleiler at buffalo.edu (Timothy Bleiler)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2023 20:41:28 +0000
Subject: OT - Mac Notarization Problem - Desperation setting in
In-Reply-To: <F831C52C-885B-4B0D-A941-857020E0EEE1@buffalo.edu>
References: <65E7119E-1DA1-43DC-B667-F90F7F249CFD@buffalo.edu>
 <9DE2E7AD-8AFF-4DAF-A8E3-3F1063F6C912@livecode.com>
 <6B0CBBC2-5759-4E5F-B9D2-43CFC50D0CC0@buffalo.edu>
 <53FADCF6-21F5-4F09-9F54-983E184F56A0@gmail.com>
 <2C904D9D-C5D8-4E6F-A61F-2650ECCC49FA@elementarysoftware.com>
 <F831C52C-885B-4B0D-A941-857020E0EEE1@buffalo.edu>
Message-ID: <6268B1CD-DE82-4979-814A-B3914DDFB456@buffalo.edu>

It’s just not my day.  The goofy links in my last post are just supposed to be references to the appleID site.  I don’t know how all the rest of that got put in there.
I’ve got to be more careful with my copy and paste I guess.



> On Aug 25, 2023, at 4:34 PM, Timothy Bleiler via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> I think I’ve solved it.  I’m very grateful to Matthias both for his code signing tool and his personal help with this problem.
>
> In the end it looks like the trouble was caused by a combination of my limited experience with the process and a lack of helpful feedback from Apple’s online tools at critical points.
>
> Here’s what happened.
> - I have 2 user accounts on my Mac that use different Apple IDs.
>
> - Somehow the one I use for the Apple developer account had made my Mac NOT a trusted device for the Apple ID I use for development. I have no idea how this happened.
> You can verify that your device is trusted at appleid.apple.com<http://appleid.apple.com/> for your account under “Devices”.
>
> - Despite the device not being trusted for the account, the website let me think I’d created an app-specific password. I hadn’t succeed, but my lack of experience prevented me from realizing that the second step of the process is getting the actual password back from Apple and copying it down.  I didn’t get anything, no error message, so in my ignorance I thought the seed string I’d typed in WAS the password. So, I did NOT have an actual app-specific password to use in the NotaryTool commands. This caused all commands dependent on an app-specific password to fail.
>
> What solved it for me was to go to System Settings, sign out of the Apple account on the mac and sign back in again.
> Then sign back in to appleid.apple.com<http://appleid.apple.com/>, verify that my Mac was a trusted device on my developer account and then create a NEW app-specific password.
> This time I saw the second part when they send the actual password. I think you need to copy this down because I don’t see any way to recover it again later.
>
> Once I had the new app-specific password and my Mac was a trusted device in my developer account, the notaryTool commands worked without errors.
>
> It all makes me long for the days when we could easily pass around Hypercard stacks for the fun of it!!
>
>
>
> On Aug 25, 2023, at 2:38 PM, scott--- via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> I use Matthias' brilliant “mrSignNotarizeHelperV4.livecode” project regularly and when I’ve had a problem in the past, ticking the “Debug mode” checkbox (which places each step of the terminal commands in the message box when you click the “Start” button) and then manually entering each of these steps as a command line in Terminal.app, has been helpful in figuring out exactly what step was failing. And sometimes, why.
>
> --
> Scott Morrow
>
> Elementary Software
> (Now with 20% less chalk dust!)
> web       https://elementarysoftware.com/
> email     scott at elementarysoftware.com
> booth    1-360-734-4701
> ------------------------------------------------------
>
> On Aug 25, 2023, at 8:24 AM, Mark Smith via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Tim,
>
> Codesigning is (as you probably know) one of the tricker bits of building an app for distribution (and I’ve certainly had my share of failures and frustrations along the way). I am following this thread closely so if you don’t mind sharing, I’d be interested in hearing what the solution is, once you’ve found it.
>
> Cheers and best of luck,
> Mark
>
> On 25 Aug 2023, at 3:37 pm, Timothy Bleiler via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> Thank you Heather,
>
> I’ll take a look.  Matthias Rebbe is also trying to help me find the problem.
>
> Regards,
> Tim Bleiler
>
>
>
> On Aug 25, 2023, at 4:13 AM, Heather Laine via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
>
> Tim - codesigning is not my expertise but failed password credentials I deal with frequently :). A possible gotcha is that your password is saved to your keychain, and then, if you change it, the changed password is overwritten by the saved password, invisibly since the password is hidden when entered. I would recommend deleting all saved passwords from your keychain for your certificates etc, and re-entering them to eliminate this possibility.
>
> Probably not the issue but you never know...
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Heather
>
> Heather Laine
> Customer Services Manager
> LiveCode Ltd
> http://www.livecode.com/ <http://www.livecode.com/>
>
>
>
> On 24 Aug 2023, at 18:02, Timothy Bleiler via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I believe the problem I’m having is either on Apple’s end or something with my local configuration but Apple has not been very helpful and I’m running out of ideas, so I’m turning to the wealth of experience on this list in desperation.
>
> I’ve been using the lessons from  Matthias Rebbe and V4 of his handy mrSignNotarizeHelper stack.
> Code signing seems to work fine but when I get to the Notarization step I always get an
> "Error: HTTP status code: 401. Invalid credentials. Username or password is incorrect.
>
> I’m on an M1 Mac with OS 13.4.1, Xcode 14.3.1 is installed, Livecode 9.6.9.
>
> So far, this is what I’ve tried with the same result
>
> 1) Verified developer account in good status with Apple
> 2) Multiple checks of my credentials (Apple ID, team ID, app-specific password) on Apple's developer and ID sites,
> 3) Multiple checks of my credentials in the parameters I’m using
> 4) Setting up a new app specific password on my account
> 5) Trying with a different Livecode application
> 6 Trying everything manually in Terminal. (What is apparent is any subcommands of NotaryTool (e.g. submit, store-credentials) using my credentials fail with the same error.
>
> 7) Repeat everything on a brand new user account on my Mac
> 8) Sought help through devprograms at apple.com<mailto:devprograms at apple.com>
>
>
> I’ve done codesigning and notarization many times before with the same developer account with no issues.
> What’s new here for me is using NotaryTool and the app-specific password.
>
> I realize this is a long shot but I’m stuck, so it would be great if anyone has any suggestions for solving this problem (even some detail I may have missed in the steps I’ve already taken)
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tim Bleiler, Ph.D.
> Instructional Designer, HSIT
> University at Buffalo
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Fri Aug 25 17:00:52 2023
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2023 23:00:52 +0200
Subject: OT - Mac Notarization Problem - Desperation setting in
In-Reply-To: <6268B1CD-DE82-4979-814A-B3914DDFB456@buffalo.edu>
References: <65E7119E-1DA1-43DC-B667-F90F7F249CFD@buffalo.edu>
 <9DE2E7AD-8AFF-4DAF-A8E3-3F1063F6C912@livecode.com>
 <6B0CBBC2-5759-4E5F-B9D2-43CFC50D0CC0@buffalo.edu>
 <53FADCF6-21F5-4F09-9F54-983E184F56A0@gmail.com>
 <2C904D9D-C5D8-4E6F-A61F-2650ECCC49FA@elementarysoftware.com>
 <F831C52C-885B-4B0D-A941-857020E0EEE1@buffalo.edu>
 <6268B1CD-DE82-4979-814A-B3914DDFB456@buffalo.edu>
Message-ID: <FB6DE30A-6998-4458-BA39-A9467AB27D25@m-r-d.de>

If you mean that the the link was shown normal and also in sharp bracktes, then that seems to be normal here in the list.
I noticed this also in the past.


> Am 25.08.2023 um 22:41 schrieb Timothy Bleiler via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> It’s just not my day.  The goofy links in my last post are just supposed to be references to the appleID site.  I don’t know how all the rest of that got put in there.
> I’ve got to be more careful with my copy and paste I guess.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Aug 25, 2023, at 4:34 PM, Timothy Bleiler via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I think I’ve solved it.  I’m very grateful to Matthias both for his code signing tool and his personal help with this problem.
>> 
>> In the end it looks like the trouble was caused by a combination of my limited experience with the process and a lack of helpful feedback from Apple’s online tools at critical points.
>> 
>> Here’s what happened.
>> - I have 2 user accounts on my Mac that use different Apple IDs.
>> 
>> - Somehow the one I use for the Apple developer account had made my Mac NOT a trusted device for the Apple ID I use for development. I have no idea how this happened.
>> You can verify that your device is trusted at appleid.apple.com<http://appleid.apple.com/> for your account under “Devices”.
>> 
>> - Despite the device not being trusted for the account, the website let me think I’d created an app-specific password. I hadn’t succeed, but my lack of experience prevented me from realizing that the second step of the process is getting the actual password back from Apple and copying it down.  I didn’t get anything, no error message, so in my ignorance I thought the seed string I’d typed in WAS the password. So, I did NOT have an actual app-specific password to use in the NotaryTool commands. This caused all commands dependent on an app-specific password to fail.
>> 
>> What solved it for me was to go to System Settings, sign out of the Apple account on the mac and sign back in again.
>> Then sign back in to appleid.apple.com<http://appleid.apple.com/>, verify that my Mac was a trusted device on my developer account and then create a NEW app-specific password.
>> This time I saw the second part when they send the actual password. I think you need to copy this down because I don’t see any way to recover it again later.
>> 
>> Once I had the new app-specific password and my Mac was a trusted device in my developer account, the notaryTool commands worked without errors.
>> 
>> It all makes me long for the days when we could easily pass around Hypercard stacks for the fun of it!!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Aug 25, 2023, at 2:38 PM, scott--- via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I use Matthias' brilliant “mrSignNotarizeHelperV4.livecode” project regularly and when I’ve had a problem in the past, ticking the “Debug mode” checkbox (which places each step of the terminal commands in the message box when you click the “Start” button) and then manually entering each of these steps as a command line in Terminal.app, has been helpful in figuring out exactly what step was failing. And sometimes, why.
>> 
>> --
>> Scott Morrow
>> 
>> Elementary Software
>> (Now with 20% less chalk dust!)
>> web       https://elementarysoftware.com/
>> email     scott at elementarysoftware.com
>> booth    1-360-734-4701
>> ------------------------------------------------------
>> 
>> On Aug 25, 2023, at 8:24 AM, Mark Smith via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Tim,
>> 
>> Codesigning is (as you probably know) one of the tricker bits of building an app for distribution (and I’ve certainly had my share of failures and frustrations along the way). I am following this thread closely so if you don’t mind sharing, I’d be interested in hearing what the solution is, once you’ve found it.
>> 
>> Cheers and best of luck,
>> Mark
>> 
>> On 25 Aug 2023, at 3:37 pm, Timothy Bleiler via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Thank you Heather,
>> 
>> I’ll take a look.  Matthias Rebbe is also trying to help me find the problem.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Tim Bleiler
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Aug 25, 2023, at 4:13 AM, Heather Laine via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Tim - codesigning is not my expertise but failed password credentials I deal with frequently :). A possible gotcha is that your password is saved to your keychain, and then, if you change it, the changed password is overwritten by the saved password, invisibly since the password is hidden when entered. I would recommend deleting all saved passwords from your keychain for your certificates etc, and re-entering them to eliminate this possibility.
>> 
>> Probably not the issue but you never know...
>> 
>> Best Regards,
>> 
>> Heather
>> 
>> Heather Laine
>> Customer Services Manager
>> LiveCode Ltd
>> http://www.livecode.com/ <http://www.livecode.com/>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 24 Aug 2023, at 18:02, Timothy Bleiler via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I believe the problem I’m having is either on Apple’s end or something with my local configuration but Apple has not been very helpful and I’m running out of ideas, so I’m turning to the wealth of experience on this list in desperation.
>> 
>> I’ve been using the lessons from  Matthias Rebbe and V4 of his handy mrSignNotarizeHelper stack.
>> Code signing seems to work fine but when I get to the Notarization step I always get an
>> "Error: HTTP status code: 401. Invalid credentials. Username or password is incorrect.
>> 
>> I’m on an M1 Mac with OS 13.4.1, Xcode 14.3.1 is installed, Livecode 9.6.9.
>> 
>> So far, this is what I’ve tried with the same result
>> 
>> 1) Verified developer account in good status with Apple
>> 2) Multiple checks of my credentials (Apple ID, team ID, app-specific password) on Apple's developer and ID sites,
>> 3) Multiple checks of my credentials in the parameters I’m using
>> 4) Setting up a new app specific password on my account
>> 5) Trying with a different Livecode application
>> 6 Trying everything manually in Terminal. (What is apparent is any subcommands of NotaryTool (e.g. submit, store-credentials) using my credentials fail with the same error.
>> 
>> 7) Repeat everything on a brand new user account on my Mac
>> 8) Sought help through devprograms at apple.com<mailto:devprograms at apple.com>
>> 
>> 
>> I’ve done codesigning and notarization many times before with the same developer account with no issues.
>> What’s new here for me is using NotaryTool and the app-specific password.
>> 
>> I realize this is a long shot but I’m stuck, so it would be great if anyone has any suggestions for solving this problem (even some detail I may have missed in the steps I’ve already taken)
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Tim Bleiler, Ph.D.
>> Instructional Designer, HSIT
>> University at Buffalo
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Aug 25 17:04:46 2023
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2023 21:04:46 +0000
Subject: OT - Mac Notarization Problem - Desperation setting in
In-Reply-To: <F831C52C-885B-4B0D-A941-857020E0EEE1@buffalo.edu>
References: <65E7119E-1DA1-43DC-B667-F90F7F249CFD@buffalo.edu>
 <9DE2E7AD-8AFF-4DAF-A8E3-3F1063F6C912@livecode.com>
 <6B0CBBC2-5759-4E5F-B9D2-43CFC50D0CC0@buffalo.edu>
 <53FADCF6-21F5-4F09-9F54-983E184F56A0@gmail.com>
 <2C904D9D-C5D8-4E6F-A61F-2650ECCC49FA@elementarysoftware.com>
 <F831C52C-885B-4B0D-A941-857020E0EEE1@buffalo.edu>
Message-ID: <94EB6397-D25E-4140-9132-88D7C05F88BB@iotecdigital.com>

Yes, this is the advantage of an. App specific password. It’s unrecoverable by you, and so by anyone else.

Bob S


On Aug 25, 2023, at 1:34 PM, Timothy Bleiler via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

This time I saw the second part when they send the actual password. I think you need to copy this down because I don’t see any way to recover it again later.


From roger.e.eller at sealedair.com  Fri Aug 25 17:15:38 2023
From: roger.e.eller at sealedair.com (Eller, Roger)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2023 21:15:38 +0000
Subject: Merging PDF pages
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References: <BN8PR14MB2913ED08DBE6439CD248F041AFE3A@BN8PR14MB2913.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
 <AB43A066-941B-4B57-A1DC-311C27E8EFD9@m-r-d.de>
 <37B87F81-5AC8-40C7-AA0D-E518B7688A12@m-r-d.de>
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Thank you for this and all the details, Matthias.  I will give it a try.


~Roger

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Just noticed that my steps are missing something.
So here's version 2 of it.

1. download
https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.pdflabs.com%2Ftools%2Fpdftk-the-pdf-toolkit%2Fpdftk_server-2.02-mac_osx-10.11-setup.pkg&data=05%7C01%7Croger.e.eller%40sealedair.com%7Ce1d5200433404eec54d008dba59780d1%7C2691a2514c384643af0b0c0982f197bd%7C0%7C0%7C638285842350859203%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=tEXnKnbF7xT3GjOMoYKIiM%2Fv3JwkS7pzKRM3op80KMI%3D&reserved=0<https://www.pdflabs.com/tools/pdftk-the-pdf-toolkit/pdftk_server-2.02-mac_osx-10.11-setup.pkg>

2. to extract the pkg run the following in Terminal
pkgutil --expand <source path of pkg>  <destinaltion path>

If the source path to the pkg contains spaces then put quotes around the path.

3. Now open the destination path to which you've extracted the .pkg. There should be another pkg pdftk.pkg

4. right click the file pdftk.pkg  and select "show package content"

5. Now you should see a file payload. Right click that file and select "open with" and select the archive utility to decompress the file payload.

6. After extraction you'll find a new folder "Payload 2"

7. open that folder. In that folder you will find the Lib and Bin folder. Copy those folder to another location.

Now in LC you can use shell shell function to call the pdftk

Example
set the folder to "path to the bin folder"

put shell("./pdftk  file1.pdf file2.pdf file3.pdf cat output mynewfile.pdf")


would create combine the three file..pdf file into a new one called mynewfile.pdf

To use pdftk server in your standalone  you just have to include both folders in your standalone.


On Windows you first have to run the setup of pdftk server. During the installation you can select the folder where pdftk server shall be installed. You then can copy the bin folder from that installation folder
and use it with your standalone on any other computer without the need to run the setup on that computer.




> Am 25.08.2023 um 17:00 schrieb matthias rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>
> On which OS are you planning to do this?
>
> On Windows and macOS you could make use of PDFTK server from PDFLabs.com <https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fpdflabs.com%2F&data=05%7C01%7Croger.e.eller%40sealedair.com%7Ce1d5200433404eec54d008dba59780d1%7C2691a2514c384643af0b0c0982f197bd%7C0%7C0%7C638285842350859203%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=2KHRMuPPbThuEdstyMStYxuVIocIbRsA9yaSB%2Fw%2F7dI%3D&reserved=0<http://pdflabs.com/>>
>
> On macOS  PDFTK Server normally  has to be installed to use it. But you could follow these steps here to get it working w/o installation.
>
> 1. Do not use the d/l link for pdftk Server from the pdfLabs website. That version will not work on macOS11 and up. Instead download this version of PDFTK Server. Sid Steward created a new version but did not update the d/l link
> https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.pdflabs.com%2Ftools%2Fpdftk-the-pdf-toolkit%2Fpdftk_server-2.02-mac_osx-10.11-setup.pkg&data=05%7C01%7Croger.e.eller%40sealedair.com%7Ce1d5200433404eec54d008dba59780d1%7C2691a2514c384643af0b0c0982f197bd%7C0%7C0%7C638285842351015442%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=S5yjsFoOrBWQY%2FKUhQbD6WZxAzuRiBOK6Yrval2H1Q4%3D&reserved=0<https://www.pdflabs.com/tools/pdftk-the-pdf-toolkit/pdftk_server-2.02-mac_osx-10.11-setup.pkg>
>
> 2. to extract the pkg run the following in Terminal
> pkgutil --expand <source path of pkg>  <destinaltion path>
>
> If the source path to the pkg contains spaces then put quotes around the path.
>
> After extraction you'll find the 2 folders lib and bin and some others .The 2 mentioned ones are needed.
>
> Now in LC you can use shell shell function to call the pdftk
>
> Example
> set the folder to "path to the bin folder"
>
> put shell("./pdftk  file1.pdf file2.pdf file3.pdf cat output mynewfile.pdf")
>
>
> would create combine the three file..pdf file into a new one called mynewfile.pdf
>
>
> I wrote this in a hurry, so i might have some error in my explanation. Just ask, if you have problems.
>
> Regards,
>
> Matthias
>
>> Am 25.08.2023 um 15:10 schrieb Eller, Roger via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>
>> It's been a while since I've posted a question here.  Is it possible to use livecode script to merge multiple 1-page PDFs into a multipage PDF without using Acrobat or other 3rd party software?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> ~Roger
>>
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From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Fri Aug 25 17:17:23 2023
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2023 23:17:23 +0200
Subject: OT - Mac Notarization Problem - Desperation setting in
In-Reply-To: <F831C52C-885B-4B0D-A941-857020E0EEE1@buffalo.edu>
References: <65E7119E-1DA1-43DC-B667-F90F7F249CFD@buffalo.edu>
 <9DE2E7AD-8AFF-4DAF-A8E3-3F1063F6C912@livecode.com>
 <6B0CBBC2-5759-4E5F-B9D2-43CFC50D0CC0@buffalo.edu>
 <53FADCF6-21F5-4F09-9F54-983E184F56A0@gmail.com>
 <2C904D9D-C5D8-4E6F-A61F-2650ECCC49FA@elementarysoftware.com>
 <F831C52C-885B-4B0D-A941-857020E0EEE1@buffalo.edu>
Message-ID: <BAB2A19A-961C-49C1-BC13-7A464917169A@m-r-d.de>

Congratulations. Good to know that you could resolve it.

And now you know why wanted to do a remote session to repeat all steps from creating app-specific pw to connecting to apples services. ;)
We could have found out sooner. ;) Unfortunately your security office prohibited the use of Teamviewer. 

Anyway, your are now setup to use Notarytool.

Matthias


> Am 25.08.2023 um 22:34 schrieb Timothy Bleiler via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> I think I’ve solved it.  I’m very grateful to Matthias both for his code signing tool and his personal help with this problem.
> 
> In the end it looks like the trouble was caused by a combination of my limited experience with the process and a lack of helpful feedback from Apple’s online tools at critical points.
> 
> Here’s what happened.
> - I have 2 user accounts on my Mac that use different Apple IDs.
> 
> - Somehow the one I use for the Apple developer account had made my Mac NOT a trusted device for the Apple ID I use for development. I have no idea how this happened.
> You can verify that your device is trusted at appleid.apple.com <http://appleid.apple.com/><http://appleid.apple.com/> for your account under “Devices”.
> 
> - Despite the device not being trusted for the account, the website let me think I’d created an app-specific password. I hadn’t succeed, but my lack of experience prevented me from realizing that the second step of the process is getting the actual password back from Apple and copying it down.  I didn’t get anything, no error message, so in my ignorance I thought the seed string I’d typed in WAS the password. So, I did NOT have an actual app-specific password to use in the NotaryTool commands. This caused all commands dependent on an app-specific password to fail.
> 
> What solved it for me was to go to System Settings, sign out of the Apple account on the mac and sign back in again.
> Then sign back in to appleid.apple.com <http://appleid.apple.com/><http://appleid.apple.com/>, verify that my Mac was a trusted device on my developer account and then create a NEW app-specific password.
> This time I saw the second part when they send the actual password. I think you need to copy this down because I don’t see any way to recover it again later.
> 
> Once I had the new app-specific password and my Mac was a trusted device in my developer account, the notaryTool commands worked without errors.
> 
> It all makes me long for the days when we could easily pass around Hypercard stacks for the fun of it!!
> 
> 

From bleiler at buffalo.edu  Fri Aug 25 17:27:49 2023
From: bleiler at buffalo.edu (Timothy Bleiler)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2023 21:27:49 +0000
Subject: OT - Mac Notarization Problem - Desperation setting in
In-Reply-To: <BAB2A19A-961C-49C1-BC13-7A464917169A@m-r-d.de>
References: <65E7119E-1DA1-43DC-B667-F90F7F249CFD@buffalo.edu>
 <9DE2E7AD-8AFF-4DAF-A8E3-3F1063F6C912@livecode.com>
 <6B0CBBC2-5759-4E5F-B9D2-43CFC50D0CC0@buffalo.edu>
 <53FADCF6-21F5-4F09-9F54-983E184F56A0@gmail.com>
 <2C904D9D-C5D8-4E6F-A61F-2650ECCC49FA@elementarysoftware.com>
 <F831C52C-885B-4B0D-A941-857020E0EEE1@buffalo.edu>
 <BAB2A19A-961C-49C1-BC13-7A464917169A@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <FC63730F-EF60-45AB-BCB6-81C315E6864D@buffalo.edu>

Yes Matthias, I figured you had a good reason so I went back into the account and checked every single thing very carefully.  When I saw that my device was not trusted I figured THAT had to be fixed!!
Then I just followed your suggestion to redo everything and that’s when I learned about how the app-specific password actually works.
I don’t know if I’d have figured it out without your help!!

On Aug 25, 2023, at 5:17 PM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

And now you know why wanted to do a remote session to repeat all steps from creating app-specific pw to connecting to apples services. ;)
We could have found out sooner. ;) Unfortunately your security office prohibited the use of Teamviewer.



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Aug 25 20:07:06 2023
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2023 19:07:06 -0500
Subject: Microsoft app store
Message-ID: <18a2f2a7410.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>

Has anyone submitted a Windows app to the Microsoft store? I have a lead 
and if it pans out I'd like to know if there's a resource available here. 
Nothing is set yet but I'm thinking ahead.

--
Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com




From dochawk at gmail.com  Sat Aug 26 13:44:44 2023
From: dochawk at gmail.com (doc hawk)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2023 10:44:44 -0700
Subject: Merging PDF pages
In-Reply-To: <89e805a0-da4d-4468-ac39-f79d31e2268e@gmail.com>
References: <BN8PR14MB2913ED08DBE6439CD248F041AFE3A@BN8PR14MB2913.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
 <6409CAFB-BDFC-4F1B-9838-5EBAEA51624B@starfirelighting.com>
 <0A45F528-142B-4FCE-A5E4-CC935D256AFB@starfirelighting.com>
 <89e805a0-da4d-4468-ac39-f79d31e2268e@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANQHZSEgq-U9WHDTfb_sUSrT3LqZ3WSQudH04+htiKs30vLPJQ@mail.gmail.com>

richard reasoned

be aware that you will lose one the most valuable things about a PDF
document: the embedded text layer.


Oh, no, there’s something more valuable, which you also lose:  anything
over 72 dpi!

I played with a pdf library for python for a bit, as well as raw pdf,
without much luck.

From paul at researchware.com  Sun Aug 27 15:43:27 2023
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2023 15:43:27 -0400
Subject: Adding and delete a row of data to the Polygrid
Message-ID: <8ca7cfd4-8958-d429-f2a5-325fb49cf388@researchware.com>

I ran into an inconsistency with the Polygrid

The Polygrid property pgDataOfRow returns the data for the row indicated 
by what pgInternalPointer is set to. The pgData of the Polygrid is a 2D 
array of the form array[n][columnName]value and pgDataOfRow returns a 1D 
array of the form array[columnName]value.

Now the properties "AddDataAfter" (or "AddDataBefore") to add a row of 
data to the Polygrid After )or Before) the row pointed to by 
pgInternalPointer expects a 2D array of the same form as pgData or 
array[n][columnName]value.

So, consider the follow use case where you want to remove a row of data 
(the last row of a table) that displays subtotals for each column but 
then later (upon some user action or whatever) you want to add it back

       put the numberOfRows      of widget "rwTableview" into N
       set the pgInternalPointer of widget "rwTableview" to N
       put the pgDataOfRow       of widget "rwTableview" into 
sColSubtotalArray -- save the subtotal row in the form 
sColSubtotalArray[columnName]value, a 1D array
       set the pgDeleteRow       of widget "rwTableview" to N -- delete 
the subtotal row

And now you want to add it back
       put the numberOfRows      of widget "rwTableview" into N
       set the pgInternalPointer of widget "rwTableview" to N
       set the addDataAfter      of widget "rwTableview" to 
sColSubtotalArray

That LAST line (addDataAfter) will fail since the array saved by the 
pgDataOfRow is a 1D array and addDataAfter expects a 2D array. If could 
a simple repeat look through the keys of sColSubtotalArry will let you 
build a new 2D array with 1 row and the columns being the keys or column 
names, so it is not hard to convert, but SHOULD YOU HAVE TO?

You can convert with
       put the number lines of the keys of sColSubtotalArray into N
       repeat for each key tKey in sColSubtotalArray
         put sColSubtotalArray[tKey] into tA[1][tKey]
       end repeat
      -- tA is now in the format that the addDataAfter property of the 
Polygrid requires.

I am not sure this is a BUG. It is certainly an inconsistency and 
changing it would break some current code. On the other hand, the 
Polygrid is part of the widget set for Xavvi/Livecode Create and the 
goal for that tool is to have things be super easy and super intuitive 
for beginners (non-code or low-code app building) so I think beginners 
would find thsi jarring.

So, is it a bug? What does the community think?


From hechris at ziggo.nl  Mon Aug 28 06:02:11 2023
From: hechris at ziggo.nl (Chris Heidecker)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2023 12:02:11 +0200
Subject: Merging PDF pages
In-Reply-To: <BN8PR14MB291302D53A3DEBCC13DA19DCAFE3A@BN8PR14MB2913.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BN8PR14MB2913ED08DBE6439CD248F041AFE3A@BN8PR14MB2913.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
 <AB43A066-941B-4B57-A1DC-311C27E8EFD9@m-r-d.de>
 <37B87F81-5AC8-40C7-AA0D-E518B7688A12@m-r-d.de>
 <BN8PR14MB291302D53A3DEBCC13DA19DCAFE3A@BN8PR14MB2913.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <6B873E55-C762-45C1-A2EF-6CD3E940CAE8@ziggo.nl>

Hi,

While applescript is still around, you could use this script. Works pretty well.

https://www.macscripter.net/t/applescript-objective-c-handler-to-merge-pdf-files/72534

Regards,
Chis Heidecker


use scripting additions
use framework "Foundation"
use framework "Quartz" -- required for PDF stuff

set inFiles to (choose file of type {"pdf"} with prompt "Choose your PDF files:" with multiple selections allowed)
set destPosixPath to POSIX path of (choose file name default name "Combined.pdf" with prompt "Save new PDF to:")
its combineFiles:inFiles savingTo:destPosixPath

on combineFiles:inFiles savingTo:destPosixPath
-- make URL of the first PDF
set inNSURL to current application's class "NSURL"'s fileURLWithPath:(POSIX path of item 1 of inFiles)
-- make PDF document from the URL
set theDoc to current application's PDFDocument's alloc()'s initWithURL:inNSURL
-- loop through the rest
set oldDocCount to theDoc's pageCount()
set inFiles to rest of inFiles
repeat with aFile in inFiles
-- make URL of the next PDF
set inNSURL to (current application's class "NSURL"'s fileURLWithPath:(POSIX path of aFile))
-- make PDF document from the URL
set newDoc to (current application's PDFDocument's alloc()'s initWithURL:inNSURL)
-- loop through, moving pages
set newDocCount to newDoc's pageCount()
repeat with i from 1 to newDocCount
-- get page of old PDF
set thePDFPage to (newDoc's pageAtIndex:(i - 1)) -- zero-based indexes
-- insert the page
(theDoc's insertPage:thePDFPage atIndex:oldDocCount)
set oldDocCount to oldDocCount + 1
end repeat
end repeat
set outNSURL to current application's class "NSURL"'s fileURLWithPath:destPosixPath
-- save the new PDF
(theDoc's writeToURL:outNSURL)
end combineFiles:savingTo:



> Op 25 aug. 2023, om 23:15 heeft Eller, Roger via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> het volgende geschreven:
> 
> Thank you for this and all the details, Matthias.  I will give it a try.
> 
> 
> ~Roger
> 
> ________________________________
> From: use-livecode <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com> on behalf of matthias rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Sent: Friday, August 25, 2023 2:16 PM
> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Cc: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de <matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de>
> Subject: Re: Merging PDF pages
> 
> 
> CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe.
> 
> 
> 
> Just noticed that my steps are missing something.
> So here's version 2 of it.
> 
> 1. download
> https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.pdflabs.com%2Ftools%2Fpdftk-the-pdf-toolkit%2Fpdftk_server-2.02-mac_osx-10.11-setup.pkg&data=05%7C01%7Croger.e.eller%40sealedair.com%7Ce1d5200433404eec54d008dba59780d1%7C2691a2514c384643af0b0c0982f197bd%7C0%7C0%7C638285842350859203%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=tEXnKnbF7xT3GjOMoYKIiM%2Fv3JwkS7pzKRM3op80KMI%3D&reserved=0<https://www.pdflabs.com/tools/pdftk-the-pdf-toolkit/pdftk_server-2.02-mac_osx-10.11-setup.pkg>
> 
> 2. to extract the pkg run the following in Terminal
> pkgutil --expand <source path of pkg>  <destinaltion path>
> 
> If the source path to the pkg contains spaces then put quotes around the path.
> 
> 3. Now open the destination path to which you've extracted the .pkg. There should be another pkg pdftk.pkg
> 
> 4. right click the file pdftk.pkg  and select "show package content"
> 
> 5. Now you should see a file payload. Right click that file and select "open with" and select the archive utility to decompress the file payload.
> 
> 6. After extraction you'll find a new folder "Payload 2"
> 
> 7. open that folder. In that folder you will find the Lib and Bin folder. Copy those folder to another location.
> 
> Now in LC you can use shell shell function to call the pdftk
> 
> Example
> set the folder to "path to the bin folder"
> 
> put shell("./pdftk  file1.pdf file2.pdf file3.pdf cat output mynewfile.pdf")
> 
> 
> would create combine the three file..pdf file into a new one called mynewfile.pdf
> 
> To use pdftk server in your standalone  you just have to include both folders in your standalone.
> 
> 
> On Windows you first have to run the setup of pdftk server. During the installation you can select the folder where pdftk server shall be installed. You then can copy the bin folder from that installation folder
> and use it with your standalone on any other computer without the need to run the setup on that computer.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> Am 25.08.2023 um 17:00 schrieb matthias rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>> 
>> On which OS are you planning to do this?
>> 
>> On Windows and macOS you could make use of PDFTK server from PDFLabs.com <https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fpdflabs.com%2F&data=05%7C01%7Croger.e.eller%40sealedair.com%7Ce1d5200433404eec54d008dba59780d1%7C2691a2514c384643af0b0c0982f197bd%7C0%7C0%7C638285842350859203%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=2KHRMuPPbThuEdstyMStYxuVIocIbRsA9yaSB%2Fw%2F7dI%3D&reserved=0<http://pdflabs.com/>>
>> 
>> On macOS  PDFTK Server normally  has to be installed to use it. But you could follow these steps here to get it working w/o installation.
>> 
>> 1. Do not use the d/l link for pdftk Server from the pdfLabs website. That version will not work on macOS11 and up. Instead download this version of PDFTK Server. Sid Steward created a new version but did not update the d/l link
>> https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.pdflabs.com%2Ftools%2Fpdftk-the-pdf-toolkit%2Fpdftk_server-2.02-mac_osx-10.11-setup.pkg&data=05%7C01%7Croger.e.eller%40sealedair.com%7Ce1d5200433404eec54d008dba59780d1%7C2691a2514c384643af0b0c0982f197bd%7C0%7C0%7C638285842351015442%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=S5yjsFoOrBWQY%2FKUhQbD6WZxAzuRiBOK6Yrval2H1Q4%3D&reserved=0<https://www.pdflabs.com/tools/pdftk-the-pdf-toolkit/pdftk_server-2.02-mac_osx-10.11-setup.pkg>
>> 
>> 2. to extract the pkg run the following in Terminal
>> pkgutil --expand <source path of pkg>  <destinaltion path>
>> 
>> If the source path to the pkg contains spaces then put quotes around the path.
>> 
>> After extraction you'll find the 2 folders lib and bin and some others .The 2 mentioned ones are needed.
>> 
>> Now in LC you can use shell shell function to call the pdftk
>> 
>> Example
>> set the folder to "path to the bin folder"
>> 
>> put shell("./pdftk  file1.pdf file2.pdf file3.pdf cat output mynewfile.pdf")
>> 
>> 
>> would create combine the three file..pdf file into a new one called mynewfile.pdf
>> 
>> 
>> I wrote this in a hurry, so i might have some error in my explanation. Just ask, if you have problems.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Matthias
>> 
>>> Am 25.08.2023 um 15:10 schrieb Eller, Roger via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>> 
>>> It's been a while since I've posted a question here.  Is it possible to use livecode script to merge multiple 1-page PDFs into a multipage PDF without using Acrobat or other 3rd party software?
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> ~Roger
>>> 
>>> 
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From alex at tweedly.net  Mon Aug 28 07:28:08 2023
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2023 12:28:08 +0100
Subject: Adding and delete a row of data to the Polygrid
In-Reply-To: <8ca7cfd4-8958-d429-f2a5-325fb49cf388@researchware.com>
References: <8ca7cfd4-8958-d429-f2a5-325fb49cf388@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <16800d67-52f1-4163-b3be-0293c2b17318@tweedly.net>


On 27/08/2023 20:43, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
> I ran into an inconsistency with the Polygrid
> ...
> I am not sure this is a BUG. It is certainly an inconsistency and 
> changing it would break some current code. On the other hand, the 
> Polygrid is part of the widget set for Xavvi/Livecode Create and the 
> goal for that tool is to have things be super easy and super intuitive 
> for beginners (non-code or low-code app building) so I think beginners 
> would find thsi jarring.
>
> So, is it a bug? What does the community think?

I'd say it's definitely not a bug.

It may be a "missing feature". There is an asymmetry, in that there are 
ways to

- extract one row

- delete one row

but only

- add multiple rows.

You could make a case for adding a feature to "add a single row". But I 
wouldn't bother,  because it's already so easy - see below.

You suggested converting by

>       repeat for each key tKey in sColSubtotalArray
>         put sColSubtotalArray[tKey] into tA[1][tKey]
>       end repeat
>      -- tA is now in the format that the addDataAfter property of the 
> Polygrid requires. 

The latest LC has the additional feauture of "automatic" sequences; i.e.

   put [ sColSubtotalArray ] into tA

So, in fact you would simply do

>       put the numberOfRows    of widget "rwTableview" into N
>       set the pgInternalPointer of widget "rwTableview" to N
>       set the addDataAfter       of widget "rwTableview" to [ 
> sColSubtotalArray]

Alex.




From paul at researchware.com  Mon Aug 28 08:32:14 2023
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2023 08:32:14 -0400
Subject: Adding and delete a row of data to the Polygrid
In-Reply-To: <16800d67-52f1-4163-b3be-0293c2b17318@tweedly.net>
References: <8ca7cfd4-8958-d429-f2a5-325fb49cf388@researchware.com>
 <16800d67-52f1-4163-b3be-0293c2b17318@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <1e7b2270-e8c3-bd61-ac85-57d7ba9064e5@researchware.com>

On 8/28/2023 7:28 AM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:
> The latest LC has the additional feauture of "automatic" sequences; i.e.

Is that LC 10.0.0dp5 or LC 9.6.9 or 9.6.10rc1, which 'latest' version?


From alex at tweedly.net  Mon Aug 28 09:35:53 2023
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2023 14:35:53 +0100
Subject: Adding and delete a row of data to the Polygrid
In-Reply-To: <1e7b2270-e8c3-bd61-ac85-57d7ba9064e5@researchware.com>
References: <1e7b2270-e8c3-bd61-ac85-57d7ba9064e5@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <3E7422D0-0C09-4EA0-9A62-85F90EE8851A@tweedly.net>

Sorry, I meant 10.x

In 9.x you could do

  put sColSubtotalArray  into tA[1]
  set the addDataAfter  of widget         "rwTableview" to tA

Alex 

Sent from my iPhone

> On 28 Aug 2023, at 13:33, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> On 8/28/2023 7:28 AM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:
>> The latest LC has the additional feauture of "automatic" sequences; i.e.
> 
> Is that LC 10.0.0dp5 or LC 9.6.9 or 9.6.10rc1, which 'latest' version?
> 
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From paul at researchware.com  Mon Aug 28 11:30:46 2023
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2023 11:30:46 -0400
Subject: Adding and delete a row of data to the Polygrid
In-Reply-To: <3E7422D0-0C09-4EA0-9A62-85F90EE8851A@tweedly.net>
References: <1e7b2270-e8c3-bd61-ac85-57d7ba9064e5@researchware.com>
 <3E7422D0-0C09-4EA0-9A62-85F90EE8851A@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <964690c6-e1f1-2bff-f967-b009566c041f@researchware.com>

Alex,

Thank you.

On 8/28/2023 9:35 AM, Alex Tweedly wrote:
> Sorry, I meant 10.x
>
> In 9.x you could do
>
>    put sColSubtotalArray  into tA[1]
>    set the addDataAfter  of widget         "rwTableview" to tA
>
> Alex
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On 28 Aug 2023, at 13:33, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> On 8/28/2023 7:28 AM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:
>>> The latest LC has the additional feauture of "automatic" sequences; i.e.
>> Is that LC 10.0.0dp5 or LC 9.6.9 or 9.6.10rc1, which 'latest' version?
>>
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From marksmithhfx at gmail.com  Mon Aug 28 13:21:51 2023
From: marksmithhfx at gmail.com (Mark Smith)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2023 18:21:51 +0100
Subject: OT - Mac Notarization Problem - Desperation setting in
In-Reply-To: <F831C52C-885B-4B0D-A941-857020E0EEE1@buffalo.edu>
References: <65E7119E-1DA1-43DC-B667-F90F7F249CFD@buffalo.edu>
 <9DE2E7AD-8AFF-4DAF-A8E3-3F1063F6C912@livecode.com>
 <6B0CBBC2-5759-4E5F-B9D2-43CFC50D0CC0@buffalo.edu>
 <53FADCF6-21F5-4F09-9F54-983E184F56A0@gmail.com>
 <2C904D9D-C5D8-4E6F-A61F-2650ECCC49FA@elementarysoftware.com>
 <F831C52C-885B-4B0D-A941-857020E0EEE1@buffalo.edu>
Message-ID: <F13D887B-D2D1-472E-91BE-B1B0DED50F57@gmail.com>

Thanks for the excellent description of the problem Tim. It may help in debugging my own “notarisation” issues in the future (tucked away for future reference)!!

> 
> It all makes me long for the days when we could easily pass around Hypercard stacks for the fun of it!!


And boy can I relate to that! If it wasn’t for Matthias….

Mark





From panos.merakos at livecode.com  Tue Aug 29 11:09:10 2023
From: panos.merakos at livecode.com (panagiotis merakos)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2023 18:09:10 +0300
Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq8O1XnrAJViTPtyeWcWT6Nu+UJfbye_m7DK0U_cVtUyaw@mail.gmail.com>

Dear list members,

We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.10 STABLE.

LiveCode 9.6.10 STABLE comes with more than 20 bugfixes, including support
for Android API 33, which will be a requirement for submitting new apps to
the Google Play Store as of the 31st of August.

You can find more details on the bug fixes and improvements of this new
release here:

https://livecode.com/livecode-9-6-10-stable-released/

You can find the release in your LiveCode account area or get it via the
automatic updater.

Enjoy!

Kind regards
The LiveCode Team

--

From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Tue Aug 29 11:17:48 2023
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2023 17:17:48 +0200
Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq8O1XnrAJViTPtyeWcWT6Nu+UJfbye_m7DK0U_cVtUyaw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+JfEq8O1XnrAJViTPtyeWcWT6Nu+UJfbye_m7DK0U_cVtUyaw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3B21678A-A103-4E61-A337-BAD8753D30F1@m-r-d.de>

And still Livecode Server is not working with Internet Information Server (IIS). :(

> Am 29.08.2023 um 17:09 schrieb panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Dear list members,
> 
> We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.10 STABLE.
> 
> LiveCode 9.6.10 STABLE comes with more than 20 bugfixes, including support
> for Android API 33, which will be a requirement for submitting new apps to
> the Google Play Store as of the 31st of August.
> 
> You can find more details on the bug fixes and improvements of this new
> release here:
> 
> https://livecode.com/livecode-9-6-10-stable-released/
> 
> You can find the release in your LiveCode account area or get it via the
> automatic updater.
> 
> Enjoy!
> 
> Kind regards
> The LiveCode Team
> 
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From dan at clearvisiontech.com  Tue Aug 29 12:33:38 2023
From: dan at clearvisiontech.com (Dan Friedman)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2023 16:33:38 +0000
Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq8O1XnrAJViTPtyeWcWT6Nu+UJfbye_m7DK0U_cVtUyaw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+JfEq8O1XnrAJViTPtyeWcWT6Nu+UJfbye_m7DK0U_cVtUyaw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DM6PR12MB27161B15F2A38EF3EA973273B9E7A@DM6PR12MB2716.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>

Any word on 10.0.0?   Biting nails!!

-Dan


From: use-livecode <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com> on behalf of panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Date: Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 8:10 AM
To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Cc: panagiotis merakos <panos.merakos at livecode.com>
Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10
Dear list members,

We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.10 STABLE.

LiveCode 9.6.10 STABLE comes with more than 20 bugfixes, including support
for Android API 33, which will be a requirement for submitting new apps to
the Google Play Store as of the 31st of August.

You can find more details on the bug fixes and improvements of this new
release here:

https://livecode.com/livecode-9-6-10-stable-released/

You can find the release in your LiveCode account area or get it via the
automatic updater.

Enjoy!

Kind regards
The LiveCode Team

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From merakosp at gmail.com  Tue Aug 29 12:41:56 2023
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis m)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2023 19:41:56 +0300
Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10
In-Reply-To: <DM6PR12MB27161B15F2A38EF3EA973273B9E7A@DM6PR12MB2716.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CA+JfEq8O1XnrAJViTPtyeWcWT6Nu+UJfbye_m7DK0U_cVtUyaw@mail.gmail.com>
 <DM6PR12MB27161B15F2A38EF3EA973273B9E7A@DM6PR12MB2716.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq8pjYcNsDROd-OETqKvmNWVoEkj1xwk4dnFb9B0NvnOgw@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all,

@matthias
I am sorry for the frustration - I know you are very eager to get this
fixed. But this was not planned for LC 9.6.10 anyway.

@Dan
The release of LC 10 DP-6 is in the final stages of testing and it is
expected to appear this week.

Kind regards,
Panos
--

On Tue, 29 Aug 2023 at 19:34, Dan Friedman via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Any word on 10.0.0?   Biting nails!!
>
> -Dan
>
>
> From: use-livecode <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com> on behalf of
> panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Date: Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 8:10 AM
> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Cc: panagiotis merakos <panos.merakos at livecode.com>
> Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10
> Dear list members,
>
> We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.10 STABLE.
>
> LiveCode 9.6.10 STABLE comes with more than 20 bugfixes, including support
> for Android API 33, which will be a requirement for submitting new apps to
> the Google Play Store as of the 31st of August.
>
> You can find more details on the bug fixes and improvements of this new
> release here:
>
> https://livecode.com/livecode-9-6-10-stable-released/
>
> You can find the release in your LiveCode account area or get it via the
> automatic updater.
>
> Enjoy!
>
> Kind regards
> The LiveCode Team
>
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From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Tue Aug 29 13:00:04 2023
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2023 19:00:04 +0200
Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq8pjYcNsDROd-OETqKvmNWVoEkj1xwk4dnFb9B0NvnOgw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+JfEq8O1XnrAJViTPtyeWcWT6Nu+UJfbye_m7DK0U_cVtUyaw@mail.gmail.com>
 <DM6PR12MB27161B15F2A38EF3EA973273B9E7A@DM6PR12MB2716.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
 <CA+JfEq8pjYcNsDROd-OETqKvmNWVoEkj1xwk4dnFb9B0NvnOgw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <847C90D7-F63F-4CE8-979E-9B574A31BE81@m-r-d.de>

Hello Panos,
so for which version is it planned, if at all?

Regards,
Matthias

> Am 29.08.2023 um 18:41 schrieb panagiotis m via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> @matthias
> I am sorry for the frustration - I know you are very eager to get this
> fixed. But this was not planned for LC 9.6.10 anyway.
> 
> @Dan
> The release of LC 10 DP-6 is in the final stages of testing and it is
> expected to appear this week.
> 
> Kind regards,
> Panos
> --
> 
> On Tue, 29 Aug 2023 at 19:34, Dan Friedman via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> Any word on 10.0.0?   Biting nails!!
>> 
>> -Dan
>> 
>> 
>> From: use-livecode <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com> on behalf of
>> panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
>> Date: Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 8:10 AM
>> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
>> Cc: panagiotis merakos <panos.merakos at livecode.com>
>> Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10
>> Dear list members,
>> 
>> We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.10 STABLE.
>> 
>> LiveCode 9.6.10 STABLE comes with more than 20 bugfixes, including support
>> for Android API 33, which will be a requirement for submitting new apps to
>> the Google Play Store as of the 31st of August.
>> 
>> You can find more details on the bug fixes and improvements of this new
>> release here:
>> 
>> https://livecode.com/livecode-9-6-10-stable-released/
>> 
>> You can find the release in your LiveCode account area or get it via the
>> automatic updater.
>> 
>> Enjoy!
>> 
>> Kind regards
>> The LiveCode Team
>> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Aug 29 13:16:58 2023
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2023 17:16:58 +0000
Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10
In-Reply-To: <847C90D7-F63F-4CE8-979E-9B574A31BE81@m-r-d.de>
References: <CA+JfEq8O1XnrAJViTPtyeWcWT6Nu+UJfbye_m7DK0U_cVtUyaw@mail.gmail.com>
 <DM6PR12MB27161B15F2A38EF3EA973273B9E7A@DM6PR12MB2716.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
 <CA+JfEq8pjYcNsDROd-OETqKvmNWVoEkj1xwk4dnFb9B0NvnOgw@mail.gmail.com>
 <847C90D7-F63F-4CE8-979E-9B574A31BE81@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <DC4B65B1-6728-4749-BD0C-820BE0955F6B@iotecdigital.com>

I think he said in that email that v10 is expected to be released this week.

Bob S


On Aug 29, 2023, at 10:00 AM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

Hello Panos,
so for which version is it planned, if at all?

Regards,
Matthias


From merakosp at gmail.com  Tue Aug 29 13:20:51 2023
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis m)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2023 20:20:51 +0300
Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10
In-Reply-To: <DC4B65B1-6728-4749-BD0C-820BE0955F6B@iotecdigital.com>
References: <CA+JfEq8O1XnrAJViTPtyeWcWT6Nu+UJfbye_m7DK0U_cVtUyaw@mail.gmail.com>
 <DM6PR12MB27161B15F2A38EF3EA973273B9E7A@DM6PR12MB2716.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
 <CA+JfEq8pjYcNsDROd-OETqKvmNWVoEkj1xwk4dnFb9B0NvnOgw@mail.gmail.com>
 <847C90D7-F63F-4CE8-979E-9B574A31BE81@m-r-d.de>
 <DC4B65B1-6728-4749-BD0C-820BE0955F6B@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq-QYCsZQKhkzHkOVNRseHohoh0VBEr9J-r82Zj0KgN-jQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Matthias,

I am afraid I cannot give an ETA on this. All I know is it was not planned
for 9.6.10 (neither for 10 DP-6).

Kind regards,
Panos
--

On Tue, 29 Aug 2023 at 20:17, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I think he said in that email that v10 is expected to be released this
> week.
>
> Bob S
>
>
> On Aug 29, 2023, at 10:00 AM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> Hello Panos,
> so for which version is it planned, if at all?
>
> Regards,
> Matthias
>
> _______________________________________________
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> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
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From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Tue Aug 29 13:29:14 2023
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2023 19:29:14 +0200
Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10
In-Reply-To: <DC4B65B1-6728-4749-BD0C-820BE0955F6B@iotecdigital.com>
References: <CA+JfEq8O1XnrAJViTPtyeWcWT6Nu+UJfbye_m7DK0U_cVtUyaw@mail.gmail.com>
 <DM6PR12MB27161B15F2A38EF3EA973273B9E7A@DM6PR12MB2716.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
 <CA+JfEq8pjYcNsDROd-OETqKvmNWVoEkj1xwk4dnFb9B0NvnOgw@mail.gmail.com>
 <847C90D7-F63F-4CE8-979E-9B574A31BE81@m-r-d.de>
 <DC4B65B1-6728-4749-BD0C-820BE0955F6B@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <BA6522B2-ED3D-447E-818E-EFCDD7B8F68E@m-r-d.de>

Hi Bob,

i did not mean when an update for LC 10 is coming, but for what version the fix is planned for Livecode Server.
Currently LC Server 7 and up do not work with IIS on Windows.
You have to install Apache, although Windows has a built-in web server.



> Am 29.08.2023 um 19:16 schrieb Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> I think he said in that email that v10 is expected to be released this week.
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
> On Aug 29, 2023, at 10:00 AM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello Panos,
> so for which version is it planned, if at all?
> 
> Regards,
> Matthias
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Tue Aug 29 13:44:59 2023
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2023 13:44:59 -0400
Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10
In-Reply-To: <BA6522B2-ED3D-447E-818E-EFCDD7B8F68E@m-r-d.de>
References: <CA+JfEq8O1XnrAJViTPtyeWcWT6Nu+UJfbye_m7DK0U_cVtUyaw@mail.gmail.com>
 <DM6PR12MB27161B15F2A38EF3EA973273B9E7A@DM6PR12MB2716.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
 <CA+JfEq8pjYcNsDROd-OETqKvmNWVoEkj1xwk4dnFb9B0NvnOgw@mail.gmail.com>
 <847C90D7-F63F-4CE8-979E-9B574A31BE81@m-r-d.de>
 <DC4B65B1-6728-4749-BD0C-820BE0955F6B@iotecdigital.com>
 <BA6522B2-ED3D-447E-818E-EFCDD7B8F68E@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <CADCoycMpKBJrCxNmD5bCop-X+XfFYMZw80exR_nU0B2jYa7DsA@mail.gmail.com>

No XCode version update? MacOS updater keeps harassing me to update CLT to
14.3

On Tue, Aug 29, 2023 at 1:30 PM matthias rebbe via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi Bob,
>
> i did not mean when an update for LC 10 is coming, but for what version
> the fix is planned for Livecode Server.
> Currently LC Server 7 and up do not work with IIS on Windows.
> You have to install Apache, although Windows has a built-in web server.
>
>
>
> > Am 29.08.2023 um 19:16 schrieb Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> >
> > I think he said in that email that v10 is expected to be released this
> week.
> >
> > Bob S
> >
> >
> > On Aug 29, 2023, at 10:00 AM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Panos,
> > so for which version is it planned, if at all?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Matthias
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>
>
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-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."

From merakosp at gmail.com  Tue Aug 29 14:16:26 2023
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis m)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2023 21:16:26 +0300
Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycMpKBJrCxNmD5bCop-X+XfFYMZw80exR_nU0B2jYa7DsA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+JfEq8O1XnrAJViTPtyeWcWT6Nu+UJfbye_m7DK0U_cVtUyaw@mail.gmail.com>
 <DM6PR12MB27161B15F2A38EF3EA973273B9E7A@DM6PR12MB2716.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
 <CA+JfEq8pjYcNsDROd-OETqKvmNWVoEkj1xwk4dnFb9B0NvnOgw@mail.gmail.com>
 <847C90D7-F63F-4CE8-979E-9B574A31BE81@m-r-d.de>
 <DC4B65B1-6728-4749-BD0C-820BE0955F6B@iotecdigital.com>
 <BA6522B2-ED3D-447E-818E-EFCDD7B8F68E@m-r-d.de>
 <CADCoycMpKBJrCxNmD5bCop-X+XfFYMZw80exR_nU0B2jYa7DsA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq-Q2QSFLV=J9GsNBzUku-9-K2X+Dnq3J39pACo-Q7fang@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Mike,

I guess we will update the supported xcode version once macOS Sonoma and/or
Xcode 15 - iOS 17 SDK are publicly available, so probably in LC 9.6.11 rc-1

I think you can update your CLT to 14.3, but make sure you still keep the
current supported xcode version

Kind regards,
Panos

On Tue, 29 Aug 2023, 20:46 Mike Kerner via use-livecode, <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> No XCode version update? MacOS updater keeps harassing me to update CLT to
> 14.3
>
> On Tue, Aug 29, 2023 at 1:30 PM matthias rebbe via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Bob,
> >
> > i did not mean when an update for LC 10 is coming, but for what version
> > the fix is planned for Livecode Server.
> > Currently LC Server 7 and up do not work with IIS on Windows.
> > You have to install Apache, although Windows has a built-in web server.
> >
> >
> >
> > > Am 29.08.2023 um 19:16 schrieb Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> > >
> > > I think he said in that email that v10 is expected to be released this
> > week.
> > >
> > > Bob S
> > >
> > >
> > > On Aug 29, 2023, at 10:00 AM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello Panos,
> > > so for which version is it planned, if at all?
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Matthias
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > use-livecode mailing list
> > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > subscription preferences:
> > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >
> >
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>
>
> --
> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>    and did a little diving.
> And God said, "This is good."
> _______________________________________________
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From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Tue Aug 29 14:46:38 2023
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2023 14:46:38 -0400
Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq-Q2QSFLV=J9GsNBzUku-9-K2X+Dnq3J39pACo-Q7fang@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+JfEq8O1XnrAJViTPtyeWcWT6Nu+UJfbye_m7DK0U_cVtUyaw@mail.gmail.com>
 <DM6PR12MB27161B15F2A38EF3EA973273B9E7A@DM6PR12MB2716.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
 <CA+JfEq8pjYcNsDROd-OETqKvmNWVoEkj1xwk4dnFb9B0NvnOgw@mail.gmail.com>
 <847C90D7-F63F-4CE8-979E-9B574A31BE81@m-r-d.de>
 <DC4B65B1-6728-4749-BD0C-820BE0955F6B@iotecdigital.com>
 <BA6522B2-ED3D-447E-818E-EFCDD7B8F68E@m-r-d.de>
 <CADCoycMpKBJrCxNmD5bCop-X+XfFYMZw80exR_nU0B2jYa7DsA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CA+JfEq-Q2QSFLV=J9GsNBzUku-9-K2X+Dnq3J39pACo-Q7fang@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycPfHzoT_B0aFYOxiFdUS78pNt6oqunJPmPZgZGW1Ld4UQ@mail.gmail.com>

i'm still running ventura, but software update is constantly trying to
update CLT, even though i downloaded and installed xcode manually, not via
appstore

On Tue, Aug 29, 2023 at 2:17 PM panagiotis m via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hello Mike,
>
> I guess we will update the supported xcode version once macOS Sonoma and/or
> Xcode 15 - iOS 17 SDK are publicly available, so probably in LC 9.6.11 rc-1
>
> I think you can update your CLT to 14.3, but make sure you still keep the
> current supported xcode version
>
> Kind regards,
> Panos
>
> On Tue, 29 Aug 2023, 20:46 Mike Kerner via use-livecode, <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > No XCode version update? MacOS updater keeps harassing me to update CLT
> to
> > 14.3
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 29, 2023 at 1:30 PM matthias rebbe via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Bob,
> > >
> > > i did not mean when an update for LC 10 is coming, but for what version
> > > the fix is planned for Livecode Server.
> > > Currently LC Server 7 and up do not work with IIS on Windows.
> > > You have to install Apache, although Windows has a built-in web server.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Am 29.08.2023 um 19:16 schrieb Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
> > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> > > >
> > > > I think he said in that email that v10 is expected to be released
> this
> > > week.
> > > >
> > > > Bob S
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Aug 29, 2023, at 10:00 AM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <
> > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hello Panos,
> > > > so for which version is it planned, if at all?
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Matthias
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > use-livecode mailing list
> > > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > > subscription preferences:
> > > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > > subscription preferences:
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> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> > On the second day, God created the oceans.
> > On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
> >    and did a little diving.
> > And God said, "This is good."
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > subscription preferences:
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-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."

From dan at clearvisiontech.com  Tue Aug 29 17:39:43 2023
From: dan at clearvisiontech.com (Dan Friedman)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2023 21:39:43 +0000
Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq8pjYcNsDROd-OETqKvmNWVoEkj1xwk4dnFb9B0NvnOgw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+JfEq8O1XnrAJViTPtyeWcWT6Nu+UJfbye_m7DK0U_cVtUyaw@mail.gmail.com>
 <DM6PR12MB27161B15F2A38EF3EA973273B9E7A@DM6PR12MB2716.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
 <CA+JfEq8pjYcNsDROd-OETqKvmNWVoEkj1xwk4dnFb9B0NvnOgw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DM6PR12MB2716A435D29602CFDADEBC8EB9E7A@DM6PR12MB2716.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>

Panos,

// The release of LC 10 DP-6 is in the final stages of testing and it is expected to appear this week.

As always, thanks for the update.  Appreciate it!

-Dan


From: use-livecode <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com> on behalf of panagiotis m via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Date: Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 9:43 AM
To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Cc: panagiotis m <merakosp at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10
Hello all,

@matthias
I am sorry for the frustration - I know you are very eager to get this
fixed. But this was not planned for LC 9.6.10 anyway.

@Dan
The release of LC 10 DP-6 is in the final stages of testing and it is
expected to appear this week.

Kind regards,
Panos
--

On Tue, 29 Aug 2023 at 19:34, Dan Friedman via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Any word on 10.0.0?   Biting nails!!
>
> -Dan
>
>
> From: use-livecode <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com> on behalf of
> panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Date: Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 8:10 AM
> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Cc: panagiotis merakos <panos.merakos at livecode.com>
> Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10
> Dear list members,
>
> We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.10 STABLE.
>
> LiveCode 9.6.10 STABLE comes with more than 20 bugfixes, including support
> for Android API 33, which will be a requirement for submitting new apps to
> the Google Play Store as of the 31st of August.
>
> You can find more details on the bug fixes and improvements of this new
> release here:
>
> https://livecode.com/livecode-9-6-10-stable-released/
>
> You can find the release in your LiveCode account area or get it via the
> automatic updater.
>
> Enjoy!
>
> Kind regards
> The LiveCode Team
>
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From bdrunrev at gmail.com  Wed Aug 30 02:05:44 2023
From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2023 07:05:44 +0100
Subject: Charts widget.
In-Reply-To: <62253d2d-a416-a334-ccec-acd5fa3d9176@tweedly.net>
References: <62253d2d-a416-a334-ccec-acd5fa3d9176@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <CA+O+R-HGjf8X6mhPr5+mLL-92e+davgb+y4RQoD+ovr6+_Zf=Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Alex

I've started using this, quite pleased with what it can do in terms of
presentation.  But it seems to me (going off the Dictionary and my own
tests) that it doesn't receive any mouse messages.  So clicking on any of
the displayed chart components has no effect.

I haven't yet investigated setting jsonoptions (as the designated way to
invoke more of the chartsjs functionality).

Regards
Bernard

On Sun, Sep 25, 2022 at 9:55 PM Alex Tweedly via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Anyone using this widget ?
>
> Is there some documentation (other than the obvious dictionary entries)
> about how to do different kinds of chart ?
>
> In the last 4-6 months, I've done 3 or 4 little personal projects where
> I wanted to create a chart, but I've not been able to figure out how to
> use the charts widget to do time-based charts.
>
> What I mean is, e.g., create a chart for the following data ....
>
> 2022-02-01    100
> 2022-02-04    500
> 2022-02-05    525
> 2022-02-17    900
> ....
>
> Obviously, the dates along the X-axis should be spaced properly
> according to their data value, not equally spaced and simply labelled.
>
> Looking at the charts.js documentation, it tells me (or rather, fails to
> tell me, since I can't understand it) that I need to define an 'adapter'
> and shows some sample javascript. I don't really understand how to do it
> simply in javascript - far less how I could use that in the widget.
>
> Can anyone give me a clue or a pointer ?
>
>

From dfe4 at cornell.edu  Wed Aug 30 12:35:42 2023
From: dfe4 at cornell.edu (David Epstein)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2023 12:35:42 -0400
Subject: Pasting text and images together?
Message-ID: <2A778021-978E-46AC-A0F1-18BFE597B5EB@cornell.edu>

From a web browser, or from programs like Word or (Apple) Notes, it is possible to copy to the clipboard a single selection that includes both text and images.
Is there any way to paste all of this information to LiveCode—for example, placing the text in fields and the imageData in image objects, or showing everything in one field by setting the imageSource of some characters in that field?
After having copied such a collection of text and image information, the keys to the fullClipboardData seem only to include text and styled text options, with no indication of the images that are included on the clipboard.

David Epstein

From neville.smythe at optusnet.com.au  Thu Aug 31 00:11:56 2023
From: neville.smythe at optusnet.com.au (Neville Smythe)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2023 14:11:56 +1000
Subject: Sort bug
Message-ID: <64C21C5C-EC88-466B-A2CE-CA55D4EBC7CC@optusnet.com.au>

There is a bug in sorting a container using a function, as in

sort lines tVariable by myVal(each)

where the function is for example

function myVal pStr
    return item 1 of pStr + item 2 of pStr
end myval

If the function myVal encounters a run-time error (in the example if one of the items is not a number) the sort command fails silently: the script exits at that code line and the user is unaware that the sort (and the rest of the handler) were not executed.

If you sort directly with

sort lines tVariable by (item 1 of pStr + item 2 of pStr)

the handler will throw an error dialog, as expected.

QC has confirmed this is a bug ( bug 24321 <https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=24321> ) that evidently has been around for a long time.

Neville Smythe




From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Thu Aug 31 02:41:47 2023
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2023 09:41:47 +0300
Subject: Pasting text and images together?
In-Reply-To: <2A778021-978E-46AC-A0F1-18BFE597B5EB@cornell.edu>
References: <2A778021-978E-46AC-A0F1-18BFE597B5EB@cornell.edu>
Message-ID: <d44ba072-1cf4-40df-a802-45cc5345921b@gmail.com>

As far as I know image data cannot be pasted into LC.

I just tried pasting a banal image of a cat from an Ecosia search into a 
stack directly, and into an image, to no avail.

Best, Richmond.

On 30.08.23 19:35, David Epstein via use-livecode wrote:
>  From a web browser, or from programs like Word or (Apple) Notes, it is possible to copy to the clipboard a single selection that includes both text and images.
> Is there any way to paste all of this information to LiveCodefor example, placing the text in fields and the imageData in image objects, or showing everything in one field by setting the imageSource of some characters in that field?
> After having copied such a collection of text and image information, the keys to the fullClipboardData seem only to include text and styled text options, with no indication of the images that are included on the clipboard.
>
> David Epstein
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From panos.merakos at livecode.com  Thu Aug 31 09:48:29 2023
From: panos.merakos at livecode.com (panagiotis merakos)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2023 16:48:29 +0300
Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 10.0.0 DP-6
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq9-P2P0-wr09v7FBh9jLD=aEvT00sJZsE-Z6FygOzndNA@mail.gmail.com>

Dear list members,

We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 10.0.0 DP-6.

LiveCode 10.0.0 DP-6 comes with more than 30 bugfixes and exciting new
features.

You can find more details on this new release here:

https://livecode.com/livecode-10-dp-6-web-fonts-and-api-33/

You can find the release in your LiveCode account area or get it via the
automatic updater.

Enjoy!

Kind regards
The LiveCode Team

From roger.e.eller at sealedair.com  Thu Aug 31 10:52:54 2023
From: roger.e.eller at sealedair.com (Eller, Roger)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2023 14:52:54 +0000
Subject: HTML5 failure / javascript console
Message-ID: <BN8PR14MB2913C5C41722881CA0B1E684AFE5A@BN8PR14MB2913.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>

My first try of saving a simple stack as HTML5... When it tries to run, it says to check the Javascropt console, which shows the following.  As a LiveCode Script only developer, none of this gives me a clue.  This is on Windows, using Chrome.

Failed to load resource: the server responded with a status of 404 (Not Found)
TEST_STACK.html:155 run() called, but dependencies remain, so not running
printErr @ TEST_STACK.html:155
standalone-9.6.10.js:48 a problem seems to have happened with Module.memoryInitializerRequest, status: 404, retrying standalone-9.6.10.html.mem
useRequest @ standalone-9.6.10.js:48
standalone-9.6.10.html.mem:1     Failed to load resource: the server responded with a status of 404 (Not Found)
standalone-9.6.10.js:48 Uncaught could not load memory initializer standalone-9.6.10.html.mem
TEST_STACK.html:155 still waiting on run dependencies:
printErr @ TEST_STACK.html:155
(anonymous) @ standalone-9.6.10.js:1
TEST_STACK.html:155 dependency: memory initializer
printErr @ TEST_STACK.html:155
(anonymous) @ standalone-9.6.10.js:1
TEST_STACK.html:155 (end of list)



From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Aug 31 11:06:19 2023
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2023 15:06:19 +0000
Subject: Sort bug
In-Reply-To: <64C21C5C-EC88-466B-A2CE-CA55D4EBC7CC@optusnet.com.au>
References: <64C21C5C-EC88-466B-A2CE-CA55D4EBC7CC@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <CDE10EAC-2E00-4C62-92D8-336F1C2F9C76@iotecdigital.com>

I think you have to append “of each”. Sort lines of tVar by item 3 of each

Bob S


> On Aug 30, 2023, at 9:11 PM, Neville Smythe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> There is a bug in sorting a container using a function, as in
> 
> sort lines tVariable by myVal(each)
> 
> where the function is for example
> 
> function myVal pStr
>    return item 1 of pStr + item 2 of pStr
> end myval
> 
> If the function myVal encounters a run-time error (in the example if one of the items is not a number) the sort command fails silently: the script exits at that code line and the user is unaware that the sort (and the rest of the handler) were not executed.
> 
> If you sort directly with
> 
> sort lines tVariable by (item 1 of pStr + item 2 of pStr)
> 
> the handler will throw an error dialog, as expected.
> 
> QC has confirmed this is a bug ( bug 24321 <https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=24321> ) that evidently has been around for a long time.
> 
> Neville Smythe
> 
> 
> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Aug 31 11:25:14 2023
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2023 15:25:14 +0000
Subject: Sort bug
In-Reply-To: <CDE10EAC-2E00-4C62-92D8-336F1C2F9C76@iotecdigital.com>
References: <64C21C5C-EC88-466B-A2CE-CA55D4EBC7CC@optusnet.com.au>
 <CDE10EAC-2E00-4C62-92D8-336F1C2F9C76@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <A0E5418F-4990-4402-B9AD-6901B8D62ED7@iotecdigital.com>

To be more clear, the argument to “by” needs to be a chunk statement, not a value, followed by “of each”. Your function *might* work if you returned the chunk expression instead of the actual value the chunk resolves to. 

But why? I am not sure what the myVal() function accomplishes. Does the chunk expression change on the fly? Even so, pStr needs to be a list of numbers because you are adding them together, so it won’t return a chunk expression. 

Your method as it stands would resolve to “sort lines tVariable by 3” when it needs to resolve to something like “sort lines of tVariable by item 3 of each”. 

Further it looks like you are sorting by multiple items. You cannot do that in one statement. Instead run multiple sorts, by the last element first, down to the first element. 

Bob S


> On Aug 31, 2023, at 8:06 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I think you have to append “of each”. Sort lines of tVar by item 3 of each
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Aug 30, 2023, at 9:11 PM, Neville Smythe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> There is a bug in sorting a container using a function, as in
>> 
>> sort lines tVariable by myVal(each)
>> 
>> where the function is for example
>> 
>> function myVal pStr
>>   return item 1 of pStr + item 2 of pStr
>> end myval
>> 
>> If the function myVal encounters a run-time error (in the example if one of the items is not a number) the sort command fails silently: the script exits at that code line and the user is unaware that the sort (and the rest of the handler) were not executed.
>> 
>> If you sort directly with
>> 
>> sort lines tVariable by (item 1 of pStr + item 2 of pStr)
>> 
>> the handler will throw an error dialog, as expected.
>> 
>> QC has confirmed this is a bug ( bug 24321 <https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=24321> ) that evidently has been around for a long time.
>> 
>> Neville Smythe
>> 
>> 
>> 
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>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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From dan at clearvisiontech.com  Thu Aug 31 18:36:47 2023
From: dan at clearvisiontech.com (Dan Friedman)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2023 22:36:47 +0000
Subject: Shutdown on Android
Message-ID: <DM6PR12MB27160F410BC78B179E4715B7B9E5A@DM6PR12MB2716.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>

Does the shutdown message (or shutdownRequest message) work on Android?   I am playing a song using androidStartAudioPlayingInBackground.   However, if the app is closed (swiping up to exit it), then the audio continues to play.  So, I added an androidStopAudioPlayingInBackground command in the shutdown message to stop playing the audio.  But doesn’t seem to work – audio continues to play.

Any thoughts?

-Dan


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Aug 31 18:38:17 2023
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2023 17:38:17 -0500
Subject: Sort bug
In-Reply-To: <A0E5418F-4990-4402-B9AD-6901B8D62ED7@iotecdigital.com>
References: <64C21C5C-EC88-466B-A2CE-CA55D4EBC7CC@optusnet.com.au>
 <CDE10EAC-2E00-4C62-92D8-336F1C2F9C76@iotecdigital.com>
 <A0E5418F-4990-4402-B9AD-6901B8D62ED7@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <5c09a840-a483-e087-ad59-16a8802a28e4@hyperactivesw.com>

Actually, the syntax is correct. It uses a custom sort function. The function call includes the 
"each" which means it passes the correct parameter to the custom function, which then acts on 
it and sends the result back to the calling handler for sorting. It's a nice way to customize 
the built-in sort. You can do some pretty extravagant things with it.


On 8/31/23 10:25 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
> To be more clear, the argument to “by” needs to be a chunk statement, not a value, followed by “of each”. Your function *might* work if you returned the chunk expression instead of the actual value the chunk resolves to.
> 
> But why? I am not sure what the myVal() function accomplishes. Does the chunk expression change on the fly? Even so, pStr needs to be a list of numbers because you are adding them together, so it won’t return a chunk expression.
> 
> Your method as it stands would resolve to “sort lines tVariable by 3” when it needs to resolve to something like “sort lines of tVariable by item 3 of each”.
> 
> Further it looks like you are sorting by multiple items. You cannot do that in one statement. Instead run multiple sorts, by the last element first, down to the first element.
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Aug 31, 2023, at 8:06 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> I think you have to append “of each”. Sort lines of tVar by item 3 of each
>>
>> Bob S
>>
>>
>>> On Aug 30, 2023, at 9:11 PM, Neville Smythe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> There is a bug in sorting a container using a function, as in
>>>
>>> sort lines tVariable by myVal(each)
>>>
>>> where the function is for example
>>>
>>> function myVal pStr
>>>    return item 1 of pStr + item 2 of pStr
>>> end myval
>>>
>>> If the function myVal encounters a run-time error (in the example if one of the items is not a number) the sort command fails silently: the script exits at that code line and the user is unaware that the sort (and the rest of the handler) were not executed.
>>>
>>> If you sort directly with
>>>
>>> sort lines tVariable by (item 1 of pStr + item 2 of pStr)
>>>
>>> the handler will throw an error dialog, as expected.
>>>
>>> QC has confirmed this is a bug ( bug 24321 <https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=24321> ) that evidently has been around for a long time.
>>>
>>> Neville Smythe
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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>>
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Aug 31 19:37:40 2023
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2023 23:37:40 +0000
Subject: Sort bug
In-Reply-To: <5c09a840-a483-e087-ad59-16a8802a28e4@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <64C21C5C-EC88-466B-A2CE-CA55D4EBC7CC@optusnet.com.au>
 <CDE10EAC-2E00-4C62-92D8-336F1C2F9C76@iotecdigital.com>
 <A0E5418F-4990-4402-B9AD-6901B8D62ED7@iotecdigital.com>
 <5c09a840-a483-e087-ad59-16a8802a28e4@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <3023053B-4955-4CA4-BA8C-7532DF5F90C0@iotecdigital.com>

The function is adding the value of two chunks together and returning the result. How does that even compute? Unless the + operator is doing something totally different here…

Bob S


On Aug 31, 2023, at 3:38 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

Actually, the syntax is correct. It uses a custom sort function. The function call includes the "each" which means it passes the correct parameter to the custom function, which then acts on it and sends the result back to the calling handler for sorting. It's a nice way to customize the built-in sort. You can do some pretty extravagant things with it.


On 8/31/23 10:25 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:



From alex at tweedly.net  Thu Aug 31 19:53:23 2023
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2023 00:53:23 +0100
Subject: Sort bug
In-Reply-To: <3023053B-4955-4CA4-BA8C-7532DF5F90C0@iotecdigital.com>
References: <64C21C5C-EC88-466B-A2CE-CA55D4EBC7CC@optusnet.com.au>
 <CDE10EAC-2E00-4C62-92D8-336F1C2F9C76@iotecdigital.com>
 <A0E5418F-4990-4402-B9AD-6901B8D62ED7@iotecdigital.com>
 <5c09a840-a483-e087-ad59-16a8802a28e4@hyperactivesw.com>
 <3023053B-4955-4CA4-BA8C-7532DF5F90C0@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <c03cc78d-20b0-4059-a18e-5690a655b3aa@tweedly.net>


On 01/09/2023 00:37, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
> The function is adding the value of two chunks together and returning the result. How does that even compute? Unless the + operator is doing something totally different here

The code said:

> sort lines tVariable by myVal(each)
>
> where the function is for example
>
> function myVal pStr
>     return item 1 of pStr + item 2 of pStr
> end myval
since it's sorting the lines of the container, it calls the custom 
function with each line in turn. The function simply adds together the 
first two items from the passed-in line, and returns that. The returned 
value is associated with the corresponding line - and then the container 
is sorted by those associated values.

This works fine if the input variable is well formatted (i.e. first and 
second items of each line are numeric), but fails to give an error when 
something goes wrong - such as a non-numeric item.

(and, yes - the dictionary description is misleading, if not simply 
incorrect. However, the "Tip" at the end describes the use of ustom 
functions).

Alex.



From brian at milby7.com  Thu Aug 31 21:29:17 2023
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2023 21:29:17 -0400
Subject: Sort bug
In-Reply-To: <c03cc78d-20b0-4059-a18e-5690a655b3aa@tweedly.net>
References: <c03cc78d-20b0-4059-a18e-5690a655b3aa@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <9DE07A74-F443-4C9F-AA16-66A2B17AC606@milby7.com>

I just tried this in 10dp5 and the sort didn’t completely bail (it put the error value first) but it did error when including inline (as in the bug report).  If I add a try, then it will stop on the throw.  Not sure how much this would slow down execution though.

function myVal pStr
   local tResult
   try
      put item 1 of pStr + item 2 of pStr into tResult
   catch errorVariable
      throw "Bad data"
   end try
   return tResult
end myVal

Brian Milby
brian at milby7.com

> On Aug 31, 2023, at 7:53 PM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On 01/09/2023 00:37, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
>> The function is adding the value of two chunks together and returning the result. How does that even compute? Unless the + operator is doing something totally different here…
> 
> The code said:
> 
>> sort lines tVariable by myVal(each)
>> 
>> where the function is for example
>> 
>> function myVal pStr
>>    return item 1 of pStr + item 2 of pStr
>> end myval
> since it's sorting the lines of the container, it calls the custom function with each line in turn. The function simply adds together the first two items from the passed-in line, and returns that. The returned value is associated with the corresponding line - and then the container is sorted by those associated values.
> 
> This works fine if the input variable is well formatted (i.e. first and second items of each line are numeric), but fails to give an error when something goes wrong - such as a non-numeric item.
> 
> (and, yes - the dictionary description is misleading, if not simply incorrect. However, the "Tip" at the end describes the use of ustom functions).
> 
> Alex.
> 
> 
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From jerry at jhjensen.com  Tue Aug  1 01:27:46 2023
From: jerry at jhjensen.com (Jerry Jensen)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2023 22:27:46 -0700
Subject: Managing windows in the IDE on Mac
In-Reply-To: <189af3d71f8.276f.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <9B368B43-B56B-43AE-A1D7-AF825538B07F@swcp.com>
 <189af3d71f8.276f.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <C47640BC-9823-4CD9-B3CA-58132AFC47C2@jhjensen.com>

I now always "set the backdrop to none” right away in the main stack. Otherwise mine is always black. Pain.
.Jerry

> On Jul 31, 2023, at 8:56 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hey Dar! So nice to see you here again.
> 
> The backdrop problem is a known bug on Ventura. Sometimes you can click where the window ought to be and it comes to the front, but basically windowing is broken. The only fix I know of for now is to not use a backdrop.
> 
> <https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=24200>
> 
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> On July 31, 2023 7:50:52 PM Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> It has been a while. Hi, all. I’m getting back into LiveCode.
>> 
>> I’m using 9.6.9 on Mac Ventura.
>> 
>> I’m having a lot of trouble with the windows in the IDE. The backdrop doesn’t always work. The stack I’m working on keeps disappearing. I can check Float above everything, but that is not what I need and it can become a problem when I want to look at something else. The Project Browser stays behind everything and then disappears when I click on it.
>> 
>> Dar
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Dar Scott
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> +1.505.433.1024 <tel:15054331024> | darzLAB.com <http://darzlab.com/> | DarScott at darzLAB.com <mailto:DarScott at darzLAB.com>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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> 
> 
> 
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From merakosp at gmail.com  Tue Aug  1 04:35:40 2023
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis m)
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2023 11:35:40 +0300
Subject: Query Android Version Code
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR12MB270965373B7486DC1E6AD955B93FA@BYAPR12MB2709.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
References: <20230721005258.Horde.fGWFLX7QeysnQIb4kFMIKDN@hub.4wsys.com>
 <238B28B2-9D91-4156-81BC-0C4EB7CE7F07@iotecdigital.com>
 <8a40bc65-b369-3673-37ad-5702eee68f5d@researchware.com>
 <CAKCLKto=N3ACQ-T2aPnWX5NNDj0RcpwftPUrhitmxq_tHH1h6g@mail.gmail.com>
 <BYAPR12MB270965373B7486DC1E6AD955B93FA@BYAPR12MB2709.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq9cJs4eZvNUdVzakKL7m1dGsLbb4+9Y58r-jNw6F+w15Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Dan,

You can do something like this:
*put* the cRevStandaloneSettings["android,version code"] of this stack

Kind regards,
Panos
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On Sat, 22 Jul 2023 at 00:02, Dan Friedman via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Does anyone know if there is a way to query the “Version Code” that you
> enter in the Application Settings screen?
>
> -Dan
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Aug  1 09:09:29 2023
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2023 13:09:29 +0000
Subject: Update RE: LC domains for sale
Message-ID: <20230801130929.Horde.wNIt98pS8I5_bFopHyuMQc9@hub.4wsys.com>

learnlivecode.com is being sold (buyer has good plans for teachingLiveCode scripting, and I wish him the best with that).
 
livecodeworld.com remains available for now.
 
------ original message --
I had taken out these domains some time ago for possible projects, but now I'm planning on having those proposed services become part of the existing livecodejournal.com domain instead.
 
If anyone here is interested in these domains they're listed at AfterNIC.com, and I'd be happy to negotiate favorable pricing if you have a community-oriented use in mind:
 
 
livecodeworld.com
learnlivecode.com

 
--  
Richard Gaskin
Fourth World Systems
 


From dsc at swcp.com  Tue Aug  1 11:39:35 2023
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2023 09:39:35 -0600
Subject: Tab button is not getting messages
Message-ID: <43035845-9589-4802-9486-F49A05BE3C4B@swcp.com>


I have a tab button on a background. It does not seem to be getting menuPick. I tried mouseUp and that does not work, either. A checkbox on the same background does get a mouseUp. I tried beeps and puts, but nothing. (I’m switching to a card whose name is pChosenItem.)

Dar

From dsc at swcp.com  Tue Aug  1 11:40:46 2023
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2023 09:40:46 -0600
Subject: Managing windows in the IDE on Mac
In-Reply-To: <C47640BC-9823-4CD9-B3CA-58132AFC47C2@jhjensen.com>
References: <9B368B43-B56B-43AE-A1D7-AF825538B07F@swcp.com>
 <189af3d71f8.276f.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <C47640BC-9823-4CD9-B3CA-58132AFC47C2@jhjensen.com>
Message-ID: <A45A8379-065F-4B62-ABAB-5A034C0D8A3E@swcp.com>

Thanks, all!


> On Jul 31, 2023, at 11:27 PM, Jerry Jensen via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I now always "set the backdrop to none” right away in the main stack. Otherwise mine is always black. Pain.
> .Jerry
> 
>> On Jul 31, 2023, at 8:56 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hey Dar! So nice to see you here again.
>> 
>> The backdrop problem is a known bug on Ventura. Sometimes you can click where the window ought to be and it comes to the front, but basically windowing is broken. The only fix I know of for now is to not use a backdrop.
>> 
>> <https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=24200>
>> 
>> --
>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>> On July 31, 2023 7:50:52 PM Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> It has been a while. Hi, all. I’m getting back into LiveCode.
>>> 
>>> I’m using 9.6.9 on Mac Ventura.
>>> 
>>> I’m having a lot of trouble with the windows in the IDE. The backdrop doesn’t always work. The stack I’m working on keeps disappearing. I can check Float above everything, but that is not what I need and it can become a problem when I want to look at something else. The Project Browser stays behind everything and then disappears when I click on it.
>>> 
>>> Dar
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Dar Scott
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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From david.bovill at gmail.com  Tue Aug  1 11:46:13 2023
From: david.bovill at gmail.com (David Bovill)
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2023 16:46:13 +0100
Subject: Snapshot of browser not working?
Message-ID: <CAGASioPth6ATxACRxucYPLm3njY3D-PUj+zq8EBTtcO_mhrnjA@mail.gmail.com>

I cannot find a specific bug report - but I am trying to take a snapshot of
a browser widget to capture an image of the website. In the latest 10 DP 5
on MacOS M2 i get a very truncated text of the image (a few lines) in all
formats using:

*export* snapshot from widget "Browser" to pictVariable as PNG

Is this something that works on other  platforms or livecode versions?

From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Aug  1 11:47:19 2023
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2023 15:47:19 +0000
Subject: Tab button is not getting messages
In-Reply-To: <43035845-9589-4802-9486-F49A05BE3C4B@swcp.com>
References: <43035845-9589-4802-9486-F49A05BE3C4B@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <C1275E20-618D-484D-8BD5-3EEC6B1FB9AB@iotecdigital.com>

Tab button or tab widget?

Bob S


> On Aug 1, 2023, at 8:39 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> I have a tab button on a background. It does not seem to be getting menuPick. I tried mouseUp and that does not work, either. A checkbox on the same background does get a mouseUp. I tried beeps and puts, but nothing. (I’m switching to a card whose name is pChosenItem.)
> 
> Dar
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From dsc at swcp.com  Tue Aug  1 12:10:29 2023
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2023 10:10:29 -0600
Subject: Tab button is not getting messages
In-Reply-To: <C1275E20-618D-484D-8BD5-3EEC6B1FB9AB@iotecdigital.com>
References: <43035845-9589-4802-9486-F49A05BE3C4B@swcp.com>
 <C1275E20-618D-484D-8BD5-3EEC6B1FB9AB@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <87445B73-94CB-4ACE-825C-4F906ED1F177@swcp.com>


There’s a tab widget? Cool.

I guess I’m using a tab button.

I think I know what is the problem, though I don’t remember what I did to do cause it. Some of the backgrounds are really different; they just look the same. I edit the background (the tab button script) but the button script does not show up on most of the cards. 

How do I place the correct background on each card?

Dar


> On Aug 1, 2023, at 9:47 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Tab button or tab widget?
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Aug 1, 2023, at 8:39 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I have a tab button on a background. It does not seem to be getting menuPick. I tried mouseUp and that does not work, either. A checkbox on the same background does get a mouseUp. I tried beeps and puts, but nothing. (I’m switching to a card whose name is pChosenItem.)
>> 
>> Dar
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From paul at researchware.com  Tue Aug  1 13:06:34 2023
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2023 13:06:34 -0400
Subject: Snapshot of browser not working?
In-Reply-To: <CAGASioPth6ATxACRxucYPLm3njY3D-PUj+zq8EBTtcO_mhrnjA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGASioPth6ATxACRxucYPLm3njY3D-PUj+zq8EBTtcO_mhrnjA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <601f239b-8b6f-bb0f-b0ba-4a5ac78d29a6@researchware.com>

Exporting a snapshot of a PLAYER fails under Windows (see 
https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23694). Exporting the 
Browser widget may be related? If it is reproducible in a test stack, 
you shoud file a bug report with a test stack to demonstrate the error.

I seem to recall other export snapshot bugs. There is one related to 
multiple displays (https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=22852) 
and there may be others.

On 8/1/2023 11:46 AM, David Bovill via use-livecode wrote:
> I cannot find a specific bug report - but I am trying to take a snapshot of
> a browser widget to capture an image of the website. In the latest 10 DP 5
> on MacOS M2 i get a very truncated text of the image (a few lines) in all
> formats using:
>
> *export* snapshot from widget "Browser" to pictVariable as PNG
>
> Is this something that works on other  platforms or livecode versions?
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From gcanyon at gmail.com  Tue Aug  1 13:13:58 2023
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2023 10:13:58 -0700
Subject: Tab button is not getting messages
In-Reply-To: <87445B73-94CB-4ACE-825C-4F906ED1F177@swcp.com>
References: <43035845-9589-4802-9486-F49A05BE3C4B@swcp.com>
 <C1275E20-618D-484D-8BD5-3EEC6B1FB9AB@iotecdigital.com>
 <87445B73-94CB-4ACE-825C-4F906ED1F177@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <CAKCLKtrAvLEZ3vR2O5HyWwW6aqcSu8AOt8hwZn12haQu+tOKRw@mail.gmail.com>

place background <background name> onto card <card name>

There are other ways (cough, Navigator has built in support), but that
will do it.

On Tue, Aug 1, 2023 at 9:11 AM Dar Scott via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

>
> There’s a tab widget? Cool.
>
> I guess I’m using a tab button.
>
> I think I know what is the problem, though I don’t remember what I did to
> do cause it. Some of the backgrounds are really different; they just look
> the same. I edit the background (the tab button script) but the button
> script does not show up on most of the cards.
>
> How do I place the correct background on each card?
>
> Dar
>
>
> > On Aug 1, 2023, at 9:47 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Tab button or tab widget?
> >
> > Bob S
> >
> >
> >> On Aug 1, 2023, at 8:39 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> I have a tab button on a background. It does not seem to be getting
> menuPick. I tried mouseUp and that does not work, either. A checkbox on the
> same background does get a mouseUp. I tried beeps and puts, but nothing.
> (I’m switching to a card whose name is pChosenItem.)
> >>
> >> Dar
> >> _______________________________________________
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From panos.merakos at livecode.com  Fri Aug  4 09:47:40 2023
From: panos.merakos at livecode.com (panagiotis merakos)
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2023 16:47:40 +0300
Subject: [[ ANN ]] New Enhancements Bundle v1.0.32 available
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq_gY=t-8c=rOnxhQ2KWQOAp_dM3mfvwzgJ_oB3zWndSSA@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all,

Just to let you know that there is an update of the enhancements bundle
available in your account area.

Latest update 1.0.32: 4 August 2023

This update includes some bugfixes. I'll update BugZilla later tonight.

Note that when installing this new version using the stack
"WidgetPackInstaller.livecode" that is included in the bundle, you might
need to restart the LC IDE once (or twice) - you will get a dialog asking
you to do so.

Kind regards,
Panos


--

From marksmithhfx at gmail.com  Fri Aug  4 10:03:53 2023
From: marksmithhfx at gmail.com (Mark Smith)
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2023 15:03:53 +0100
Subject: [[ ANN ]] New Enhancements Bundle v1.0.32 available
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq_gY=t-8c=rOnxhQ2KWQOAp_dM3mfvwzgJ_oB3zWndSSA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+JfEq_gY=t-8c=rOnxhQ2KWQOAp_dM3mfvwzgJ_oB3zWndSSA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9D343B29-08A3-49FC-8298-D4B6F75488EC@gmail.com>

Hi Panos, while you are updating Bugzilla could you make a brief list of the bug fixes and post them here? 
Mark

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 4, 2023, at 2:49 PM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> Just to let you know that there is an update of the enhancements bundle
> available in your account area.
> 
> Latest update 1.0.32: 4 August 2023
> 
> This update includes some bugfixes. I'll update BugZilla later tonight.
> 
> Note that when installing this new version using the stack
> "WidgetPackInstaller.livecode" that is included in the bundle, you might
> need to restart the LC IDE once (or twice) - you will get a dialog asking
> you to do so.
> 
> Kind regards,
> Panos
> 
> 
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From klaus at major-k.de  Fri Aug  4 10:05:45 2023
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2023 16:05:45 +0200
Subject: [[ ANN ]] New Enhancements Bundle v1.0.32 available
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq_gY=t-8c=rOnxhQ2KWQOAp_dM3mfvwzgJ_oB3zWndSSA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+JfEq_gY=t-8c=rOnxhQ2KWQOAp_dM3mfvwzgJ_oB3zWndSSA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B390823B-DFE4-46CD-A3A9-294F175272FF@major-k.de>

Hi Panos,

> Am 04.08.2023 um 15:47 schrieb panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> Just to let you know that there is an update of the enhancements bundle
> available in your account area.
> Latest update 1.0.32: 4 August 2023
> This update includes some bugfixes. I'll update BugZilla later tonight.

thanks!

it might be agood idea to show the VERSION number in the filename, 
which still reads: livecode_enhancements-1_0_0.zip

> Note that when installing this new version using the stack
> "WidgetPackInstaller.livecode" that is included in the bundle, you might
> need to restart the LC IDE once (or twice) - you will get a dialog asking
> you to do so.

And it also shows the beloved "A stack with that name is already in memory..." 
(not funny!) however without the evil circle of death after clicking "Purge". 8-)

> Kind regards,
> Panos

Best

Klaus

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https://www.major-k.de
https://www.major-k.de/bass
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From merakosp at gmail.com  Fri Aug  4 10:12:28 2023
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis m)
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2023 17:12:28 +0300
Subject: [[ ANN ]] New Enhancements Bundle v1.0.32 available
In-Reply-To: <B390823B-DFE4-46CD-A3A9-294F175272FF@major-k.de>
References: <CA+JfEq_gY=t-8c=rOnxhQ2KWQOAp_dM3mfvwzgJ_oB3zWndSSA@mail.gmail.com>
 <B390823B-DFE4-46CD-A3A9-294F175272FF@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq-ruUrtduZnAWkPp1TroqZW4uwhQeXMRM8kpREVMMgKZQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all,

@Mark
There is a file "changelog.txt" in the bundle that describes all the
bugfixes and new features that are added per widget.

@Klaus
Heh, I think the .zip file has this version (1_0_0) because it allows us to
update it more easily. If you unzip it, it should show the actual version:
"livecode_enhancements-1_0_32".

Kind regards,
Panos
--

On Fri, 4 Aug 2023 at 17:06, Klaus major-k via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi Panos,
>
> > Am 04.08.2023 um 15:47 schrieb panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> >
> > Hello all,
> >
> > Just to let you know that there is an update of the enhancements bundle
> > available in your account area.
> > Latest update 1.0.32: 4 August 2023
> > This update includes some bugfixes. I'll update BugZilla later tonight.
>
> thanks!
>
> it might be agood idea to show the VERSION number in the filename,
> which still reads: livecode_enhancements-1_0_0.zip
>
> > Note that when installing this new version using the stack
> > "WidgetPackInstaller.livecode" that is included in the bundle, you might
> > need to restart the LC IDE once (or twice) - you will get a dialog asking
> > you to do so.
>
> And it also shows the beloved "A stack with that name is already in
> memory..."
> (not funny!) however without the evil circle of death after clicking
> "Purge". 8-)
>
> > Kind regards,
> > Panos
>
> Best
>
> Klaus
>
> --
> Klaus Major
> https://www.major-k.de
> https://www.major-k.de/bass
> klaus at major-k.de
>
>
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From klaus at major-k.de  Fri Aug  4 10:16:53 2023
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2023 16:16:53 +0200
Subject: [[ ANN ]] New Enhancements Bundle v1.0.32 available
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq-ruUrtduZnAWkPp1TroqZW4uwhQeXMRM8kpREVMMgKZQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+JfEq_gY=t-8c=rOnxhQ2KWQOAp_dM3mfvwzgJ_oB3zWndSSA@mail.gmail.com>
 <B390823B-DFE4-46CD-A3A9-294F175272FF@major-k.de>
 <CA+JfEq-ruUrtduZnAWkPp1TroqZW4uwhQeXMRM8kpREVMMgKZQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8EFAABC0-FFB8-410F-B2CB-1FE25F5086A5@major-k.de>

Hi Panos,

> Am 04.08.2023 um 16:12 schrieb panagiotis m via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> @Mark
> There is a file "changelog.txt" in the bundle that describes all the
> bugfixes and new features that are added per widget.
> 
> @Klaus
> Heh, I think the .zip file has this version (1_0_0) because it allows us to
> update it more easily. If you unzip it, it should show the actual version:
> "livecode_enhancements-1_0_32".

OK, get it, they thou shalt be forgiven! :-D

> Kind regards,
> Panos
> --
> 
> On Fri, 4 Aug 2023 at 17:06, Klaus major-k via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Panos,
>> 
>>> Am 04.08.2023 um 15:47 schrieb panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>> 
>>> Hello all,
>>> 
>>> Just to let you know that there is an update of the enhancements bundle
>>> available in your account area.
>>> Latest update 1.0.32: 4 August 2023
>>> This update includes some bugfixes. I'll update BugZilla later tonight.
>> 
>> thanks!
>> 
>> it might be agood idea to show the VERSION number in the filename,
>> which still reads: livecode_enhancements-1_0_0.zip
>> 
>>> Note that when installing this new version using the stack
>>> "WidgetPackInstaller.livecode" that is included in the bundle, you might
>>> need to restart the LC IDE once (or twice) - you will get a dialog asking
>>> you to do so.
>> 
>> And it also shows the beloved "A stack with that name is already in
>> memory..."
>> (not funny!) however without the evil circle of death after clicking
>> "Purge". 8-)

Best

Klaus

--
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https://www.major-k.de
https://www.major-k.de/bass
klaus at major-k.de



From marksmithhfx at gmail.com  Fri Aug  4 10:18:28 2023
From: marksmithhfx at gmail.com (Mark Smith)
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2023 15:18:28 +0100
Subject: [[ ANN ]] New Enhancements Bundle v1.0.32 available
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq-ruUrtduZnAWkPp1TroqZW4uwhQeXMRM8kpREVMMgKZQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+JfEq_gY=t-8c=rOnxhQ2KWQOAp_dM3mfvwzgJ_oB3zWndSSA@mail.gmail.com>
 <B390823B-DFE4-46CD-A3A9-294F175272FF@major-k.de>
 <CA+JfEq-ruUrtduZnAWkPp1TroqZW4uwhQeXMRM8kpREVMMgKZQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00186242-1BF3-4431-8155-3B9E50AEE527@gmail.com>

Many thanks!!

> On 4 Aug 2023, at 3:12 pm, panagiotis m via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> @Mark
> There is a file "changelog.txt" in the bundle that describes all the
> bugfixes and new features that are added per widget.


From derek-lc-list at speedbump.io  Fri Aug  4 10:23:20 2023
From: derek-lc-list at speedbump.io (Derek Bump)
Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2023 14:23:20 +0000
Subject: [[ ANN ]] New Enhancements Bundle v1.0.32 available
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq_gY=t-8c=rOnxhQ2KWQOAp_dM3mfvwzgJ_oB3zWndSSA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+JfEq_gY=t-8c=rOnxhQ2KWQOAp_dM3mfvwzgJ_oB3zWndSSA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7-IZ5w3cxMIWVwf9cLAauFtIeZaYjW4cj9MXNvTlgP2Bf-WGpCy8_ppPBgzmWY6KrPfpgaL-pX7IJqu5wCVEd4FNMTNpqlAgonmj9v3n_nU=@speedbump.io>

Hello Panos,

Thank you! The enhancements bundle, specifically PolyList and PolyGrid, have been incredibly helpful in my projects.

I've noticed I have different versions of PolyList in the "Extensions" folder under my "My LiveCode" directory. How can I be sure the proper version is being loaded? Should I be clearing out the old versions, or does your installer handle that?

Thanks again,

Thank you,
Derek Bump


------- Original Message -------
On Friday, August 4th, 2023 at 08:47, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:


> 
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> Just to let you know that there is an update of the enhancements bundle
> available in your account area.
> 
> Latest update 1.0.32: 4 August 2023
> 
> This update includes some bugfixes. I'll update BugZilla later tonight.
> 
> Note that when installing this new version using the stack
> "WidgetPackInstaller.livecode" that is included in the bundle, you might
> need to restart the LC IDE once (or twice) - you will get a dialog asking
> you to do so.
> 
> Kind regards,
> Panos
> 
> 
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From merakosp at gmail.com  Fri Aug  4 10:37:58 2023
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis m)
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2023 17:37:58 +0300
Subject: [[ ANN ]] New Enhancements Bundle v1.0.32 available
In-Reply-To: <7-IZ5w3cxMIWVwf9cLAauFtIeZaYjW4cj9MXNvTlgP2Bf-WGpCy8_ppPBgzmWY6KrPfpgaL-pX7IJqu5wCVEd4FNMTNpqlAgonmj9v3n_nU=@speedbump.io>
References: <CA+JfEq_gY=t-8c=rOnxhQ2KWQOAp_dM3mfvwzgJ_oB3zWndSSA@mail.gmail.com>
 <7-IZ5w3cxMIWVwf9cLAauFtIeZaYjW4cj9MXNvTlgP2Bf-WGpCy8_ppPBgzmWY6KrPfpgaL-pX7IJqu5wCVEd4FNMTNpqlAgonmj9v3n_nU=@speedbump.io>
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq_eQzpSA7T0_hnQw4rSc4p6TmQakGSc=OXhyUPNdCag8Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Derek,

Indeed, those 2 widgets are probably the ones I mostly use in my projects
as well!


*>>>>How can I be sure the proper version is being loaded? Should I be
clearing out the old versions, or does your installer handle that?*
The installer does handle that - it removes existing versions and installs
the newest ones.

Kind regards,
Panos
--

On Fri, 4 Aug 2023 at 17:24, Derek Bump via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hello Panos,
>
> Thank you! The enhancements bundle, specifically PolyList and PolyGrid,
> have been incredibly helpful in my projects.
>
> I've noticed I have different versions of PolyList in the "Extensions"
> folder under my "My LiveCode" directory. How can I be sure the proper
> version is being loaded? Should I be clearing out the old versions, or does
> your installer handle that?
>
> Thanks again,
>
> Thank you,
> Derek Bump
>
>
> ------- Original Message -------
> On Friday, August 4th, 2023 at 08:47, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>
> >
> >
> > Hello all,
> >
> > Just to let you know that there is an update of the enhancements bundle
> > available in your account area.
> >
> > Latest update 1.0.32: 4 August 2023
> >
> > This update includes some bugfixes. I'll update BugZilla later tonight.
> >
> > Note that when installing this new version using the stack
> > "WidgetPackInstaller.livecode" that is included in the bundle, you might
> > need to restart the LC IDE once (or twice) - you will get a dialog asking
> > you to do so.
> >
> > Kind regards,
> > Panos
> >
> >
> > --
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> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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From derek-lc-list at speedbump.io  Fri Aug  4 11:03:58 2023
From: derek-lc-list at speedbump.io (Derek Bump)
Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2023 15:03:58 +0000
Subject: [[ ANN ]] New Enhancements Bundle v1.0.32 available
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq_eQzpSA7T0_hnQw4rSc4p6TmQakGSc=OXhyUPNdCag8Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+JfEq_gY=t-8c=rOnxhQ2KWQOAp_dM3mfvwzgJ_oB3zWndSSA@mail.gmail.com>
 <7-IZ5w3cxMIWVwf9cLAauFtIeZaYjW4cj9MXNvTlgP2Bf-WGpCy8_ppPBgzmWY6KrPfpgaL-pX7IJqu5wCVEd4FNMTNpqlAgonmj9v3n_nU=@speedbump.io>
 <CA+JfEq_eQzpSA7T0_hnQw4rSc4p6TmQakGSc=OXhyUPNdCag8Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7SCN-uX9JIHdPtBNI_GICg6CfTvB_7Sy7JTU0c4eo73V5jEcYXEh2-NHXaq_NW9SEPmD9mXuGp9q-F2T7nrIBA7NEukM_bSjNJTL9qLMwnM=@speedbump.io>

Hello Panos,

Excellent, thank you for the quick response.

Regards,
Derek Bump


------- Original Message -------
On Friday, August 4th, 2023 at 09:37, panagiotis m via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:


> 
> 
> Hello Derek,
> 
> Indeed, those 2 widgets are probably the ones I mostly use in my projects
> as well!
> 
> 
> *>>>>How can I be sure the proper version is being loaded? Should I be
> 
> clearing out the old versions, or does your installer handle that?*
> The installer does handle that - it removes existing versions and installs
> the newest ones.
> 
> Kind regards,
> Panos
> --
> 
> On Fri, 4 Aug 2023 at 17:24, Derek Bump via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> > Hello Panos,
> > 
> > Thank you! The enhancements bundle, specifically PolyList and PolyGrid,
> > have been incredibly helpful in my projects.
> > 
> > I've noticed I have different versions of PolyList in the "Extensions"
> > folder under my "My LiveCode" directory. How can I be sure the proper
> > version is being loaded? Should I be clearing out the old versions, or does
> > your installer handle that?
> > 
> > Thanks again,
> > 
> > Thank you,
> > Derek Bump
> > 
> > ------- Original Message -------
> > On Friday, August 4th, 2023 at 08:47, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > Hello all,
> > > 
> > > Just to let you know that there is an update of the enhancements bundle
> > > available in your account area.
> > > 
> > > Latest update 1.0.32: 4 August 2023
> > > 
> > > This update includes some bugfixes. I'll update BugZilla later tonight.
> > > 
> > > Note that when installing this new version using the stack
> > > "WidgetPackInstaller.livecode" that is included in the bundle, you might
> > > need to restart the LC IDE once (or twice) - you will get a dialog asking
> > > you to do so.
> > > 
> > > Kind regards,
> > > Panos
> > > 
> > > --
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> > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
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From gcanyon at gmail.com  Sat Aug  5 03:21:32 2023
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2023 00:21:32 -0700
Subject: If you're using the github version of Navigator, please update
Message-ID: <CAKCLKtqtfjfMzJ3jENB-5pw=ks81Yo4RUEGAh_13gdze6WSB9Q@mail.gmail.com>

Turns out I had a glitch I didn't notice with my github client, and no
updates were making it to main for some time now. So if you happen to have
installed Navigator by cloning the repo, now would be a good time to
update. Some improvements that have happened:

1. I  completely did away with the stack and card menus, replacing them
with a single Target menu (indicated by a bullseye). It lists every stack
with a submenu that includes things like Go (goes to the stack), Toplevel
(Toplevels the stack), Card List and Background List, and further submenus
for the cards and backgrounds, allowing you to focus on any of them.  This
fixes several small issues with the previous stack and card target menus.

Remember that Navigator can display multiple targets if you hold down the
Shift key while choosing a target -- you can have as many as you like,
subject to performance limitations.

Note: if anyone finds this menu to be too slow, let me know -- it does
count through all cards and backgrounds of every stack, but in my
experience unless you're dealing with literally tens of thousands of cards
it should be fine. I could write some sort of caching algorithm and make
updates manual -- or something, I haven't thought about it too much.

2. I improved the The MouseStack targeting functionality. I don't know what
I was thinking before with the usability of the click, or long-click, on
the menu. So at this point the menu is just a menu -- select "the
mouseStack" on the menu and you get the pointer bullseye, then click over
whatever target you like to select it in Navigator.

3. I switched to the merge function for the custom list display string.
This opens up a ridiculous set of possibilities if anyone cares to really
dig in.

If you find any bugs let me know.

From brian at milby7.com  Sat Aug  5 09:51:52 2023
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2023 09:51:52 -0400
Subject: If you're using the github version of Navigator, please update
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKtqtfjfMzJ3jENB-5pw=ks81Yo4RUEGAh_13gdze6WSB9Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKtqtfjfMzJ3jENB-5pw=ks81Yo4RUEGAh_13gdze6WSB9Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6FC62E02-9350-4612-BA3E-45F8F8776126@milby7.com>

Thanks for the heads up.  This is a great tool that I probably should be using more than I do.  I appreciate your work on this!

Brian Milby
brian at milby7.com

> On Aug 5, 2023, at 3:23 AM, Geoff Canyon via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Turns out I had a glitch I didn't notice with my github client, and no
> updates were making it to main for some time now. So if you happen to have
> installed Navigator by cloning the repo, now would be a good time to
> update. Some improvements that have happened:
> 
> 1. I  completely did away with the stack and card menus, replacing them
> with a single Target menu (indicated by a bullseye). It lists every stack
> with a submenu that includes things like Go (goes to the stack), Toplevel
> (Toplevels the stack), Card List and Background List, and further submenus
> for the cards and backgrounds, allowing you to focus on any of them.  This
> fixes several small issues with the previous stack and card target menus.
> 
> Remember that Navigator can display multiple targets if you hold down the
> Shift key while choosing a target -- you can have as many as you like,
> subject to performance limitations.
> 
> Note: if anyone finds this menu to be too slow, let me know -- it does
> count through all cards and backgrounds of every stack, but in my
> experience unless you're dealing with literally tens of thousands of cards
> it should be fine. I could write some sort of caching algorithm and make
> updates manual -- or something, I haven't thought about it too much.
> 
> 2. I improved the The MouseStack targeting functionality. I don't know what
> I was thinking before with the usability of the click, or long-click, on
> the menu. So at this point the menu is just a menu -- select "the
> mouseStack" on the menu and you get the pointer bullseye, then click over
> whatever target you like to select it in Navigator.
> 
> 3. I switched to the merge function for the custom list display string.
> This opens up a ridiculous set of possibilities if anyone cares to really
> dig in.
> 
> If you find any bugs let me know.
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode


From andrew at midwestcoastmedia.com  Sat Aug  5 10:31:21 2023
From: andrew at midwestcoastmedia.com (Andrew at MidWest Coast Media)
Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2023 10:31:21 -0400
Subject: Snapshot of browser not working?
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1690905601.367122.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.1.1690905601.367122.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <EF8D1C73-6B75-4F51-BDC3-63838F149EC7@midwestcoastmedia.com>

I believe this is a bug/feature of the browser widget being a native control. What has worked for me is being more specific about the snapshot location.


      export snapshot from rect globalRect(the rect of widget “Browser" of group “foo") to pictVariable as PNG
    

This has worked in macOS and Windows standalones for a current project. Hope that helps!

—Andrew Bell


> Subject: Snapshot of browser not working?
> Message-ID:
> 	<CAGASioPth6ATxACRxucYPLm3njY3D-PUj+zq8EBTtcO_mhrnjA at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> 
> I cannot find a specific bug report - but I am trying to take a snapshot of
> a browser widget to capture an image of the website. In the latest 10 DP 5
> on MacOS M2 i get a very truncated text of the image (a few lines) in all
> formats using:
> 
> *export* snapshot from widget "Browser" to pictVariable as PNG
> 
> Is this something that works on other  platforms or livecode versions?
> 


From scott at elementarysoftware.com  Sun Aug  6 21:04:02 2023
From: scott at elementarysoftware.com (scott at elementarysoftware.com)
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2023 18:04:02 -0700
Subject: tsNetGet() on android
Message-ID: <78391A36-2711-4DB2-8511-8829B3594D0A@elementarysoftware.com>

I’m having difficulty using a LiveCode-created android app to read a  (4.7 KB) UTF-8 encoded text file off my server. Desktop and iOS versions of the app have no trouble. This is LC 9.6.9 (tsNet version 1.4.9 Business Edition) I don’t actually think this is a tsNet issue since I had previously been using “load URL” syntax and that failed on android as well.  The URL I am attempting to read is:

constant kSolutionsURL="https://elementarysoftware.com/wordlish/wordle_solutions_list.txt"

(I have tried variations using  http:// ,  www.  and also,  not using a constant)

The call to tsNet is formatted:

put tsNetGet("1", kSolutionsURL, tHeaders, "tsNetTransferComplete") into tResult

The (curl?) error I am getting from tsNet is:

tsneterr: (6) Could not resolve host: elementarysoftware.com <http://elementarysoftware.com/>

This seems like such a simple thing, so I’m hoping for an idea from the collective. (After which I will slap my forehead and say, “Duh!”)

--
Scott Morrow

Elementary Software
(Now with 20% less chalk dust!)
web       https://elementarysoftware.com/
email     scott at elementarysoftware.com
booth    1-360-734-4701
------------------------------------------------------









From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Aug  6 22:13:17 2023
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2023 21:13:17 -0500
Subject: tsNetGet() on android
In-Reply-To: <78391A36-2711-4DB2-8511-8829B3594D0A@elementarysoftware.com>
References: <78391A36-2711-4DB2-8511-8829B3594D0A@elementarysoftware.com>
Message-ID: <189cdc52648.276f.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>

It might be due to a insidious trick that caught me out. It also caught the 
person who helped me, who said he only knew about it because it got him too.

I assume you already have the right inclusions, but you may have missed the 
permissions checkbox in the Android pane of standalone settings. There's an 
Internet permission in there. Surprise!

If that isn't the problem then...um...?

--
Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
On August 6, 2023 8:06:36 PM scott--- via use-livecode 
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Im having difficulty using a LiveCode-created android app to read a  (4.7 
> KB) UTF-8 encoded text file off my server. Desktop and iOS versions of the 
> app have no trouble. This is LC 9.6.9 (tsNet version 1.4.9 Business 
> Edition) I dont actually think this is a tsNet issue since I had 
> previously been using load URL syntax and that failed on android as well. 
>  The URL I am attempting to read is:
>
> constant 
> kSolutionsURL="https://elementarysoftware.com/wordlish/wordle_solutions_list.txt"
>
> (I have tried variations using  http:// ,  www.  and also,  not using a 
> constant)
>
> The call to tsNet is formatted:
>
> put tsNetGet("1", kSolutionsURL, tHeaders, "tsNetTransferComplete") into 
> tResult
>
> The (curl?) error I am getting from tsNet is:
>
> tsneterr: (6) Could not resolve host: elementarysoftware.com 
> <http://elementarysoftware.com/>
>
> This seems like such a simple thing, so Im hoping for an idea from the 
> collective. (After which I will slap my forehead and say, Duh!)
>
> --
> Scott Morrow
>
> Elementary Software
> (Now with 20% less chalk dust!)
> web       https://elementarysoftware.com/
> email     scott at elementarysoftware.com
> booth    1-360-734-4701
> ------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> subscription preferences:
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From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Sun Aug  6 22:29:04 2023
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2023 19:29:04 -0700
Subject: tsNetGet() on android
In-Reply-To: <78391A36-2711-4DB2-8511-8829B3594D0A@elementarysoftware.com>
References: <78391A36-2711-4DB2-8511-8829B3594D0A@elementarysoftware.com>
Message-ID: <b3360049-a65d-a5be-f22d-bf4f82a8ce6a@sonic.net>

On 8/6/23 18:04, scott--- via use-livecode wrote:
> Im having difficulty using a LiveCode-created android app to read a  (4.7 KB) UTF-8 encoded text file off my server. Desktop and iOS versions of the app have no trouble. This is LC 9.6.9 (tsNet version 1.4.9 Business Edition) I dont actually think this is a tsNet issue since I had previously been using load URL syntax and that failed on android as well.  The URL I am attempting to read is:
> 
> constant kSolutionsURL="https://elementarysoftware.com/wordlish/wordle_solutions_list.txt"
> 
> (I have tried variations using  http:// ,  www.  and also,  not using a constant)
> 
> The call to tsNet is formatted:
> 
> put tsNetGet("1", kSolutionsURL, tHeaders, "tsNetTransferComplete") into tResult
> 
> The (curl?) error I am getting from tsNet is:
> 
> tsneterr: (6) Could not resolve host: elementarysoftware.com <http://elementarysoftware.com/>
> 
> This seems like such a simple thing, so Im hoping for an idea from the collective. (After which I will slap my forehead and say, Duh!)

Your constant uses "https" but the error message says "http"?
That's weird.
Have you tried using 192.99.207.157 instead? That should eliminate dns 
as a variable.


-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From scott at elementarysoftware.com  Mon Aug  7 00:35:06 2023
From: scott at elementarysoftware.com (scott at elementarysoftware.com)
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2023 21:35:06 -0700
Subject: tsNetGet() on android
In-Reply-To: <b3360049-a65d-a5be-f22d-bf4f82a8ce6a@sonic.net>
References: <78391A36-2711-4DB2-8511-8829B3594D0A@elementarysoftware.com>
 <b3360049-a65d-a5be-f22d-bf4f82a8ce6a@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <7779CFF0-DC6F-4E2C-9587-4FFB964355CE@elementarysoftware.com>

@Mark:  I thought that “http” being reported in the error was weird when the constant used “https” but what do I know.

@Jacque:  Nailed it!  Works as expected now. (Forehead slap was gentle but firm)

Thank you both!
—
Scott

> On Aug 6, 2023, at 7:29 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> On 8/6/23 18:04, scott--- via use-livecode wrote:
>> I’m having difficulty using a LiveCode-created android app to read a  (4.7 KB) UTF-8 encoded text file off my server. Desktop and iOS versions of the app have no trouble. This is LC 9.6.9 (tsNet version 1.4.9 Business Edition) I don’t actually think this is a tsNet issue since I had previously been using “load URL” syntax and that failed on android as well.  The URL I am attempting to read is:
>> constant kSolutionsURL="https://elementarysoftware.com/wordlish/wordle_solutions_list.txt"
>> (I have tried variations using  http:// ,  www.  and also,  not using a constant)
>> The call to tsNet is formatted:
>> put tsNetGet("1", kSolutionsURL, tHeaders, "tsNetTransferComplete") into tResult
>> The (curl?) error I am getting from tsNet is:
>> tsneterr: (6) Could not resolve host: elementarysoftware.com <http://elementarysoftware.com/>
>> This seems like such a simple thing, so I’m hoping for an idea from the collective. (After which I will slap my forehead and say, “Duh!”)
> 
> Your constant uses "https" but the error message says "http"?
> That's weird.
> Have you tried using 192.99.207.157 instead? That should eliminate dns as a variable.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Mark Wieder
> ahsoftware at gmail.com
> 


> 
> It might be due to a insidious trick that caught me out. It also caught the person who helped me, who said he only knew about it because it got him too.
> 
> I assume you already have the right inclusions, but you may have missed the permissions checkbox in the Android pane of standalone settings. There's an Internet permission in there. Surprise!
> 
> If that isn't the problem then...um...?
> 
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From dsc at swcp.com  Mon Aug  7 13:37:03 2023
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2023 11:37:03 -0600
Subject: Light Windows programs takes 40 s to load
Message-ID: <1032DDA5-E409-49DA-8165-B888D1191233@swcp.com>


Greetings!

A made a stack with very little script—just enough to exercise the GUI.

(I couldn’t build a Mac app; more on that as a separate question.)

I build a Windows app from my Mac. It takes 40 seconds to load. What might I be doing wrong?

I can set up a flash screen, but I’m lazy. Even so, 2/3 of a minute.

Dar

From merakosp at gmail.com  Mon Aug  7 13:42:57 2023
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis m)
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2023 20:42:57 +0300
Subject: Light Windows programs takes 40 s to load
In-Reply-To: <1032DDA5-E409-49DA-8165-B888D1191233@swcp.com>
References: <1032DDA5-E409-49DA-8165-B888D1191233@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq9brM_rn=a-N9gZ3LaT42QqS5VK08TsYQekbRSteuLUjA@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Dar,

Could you quit the printer spooler process ( from the task manager or from
Windows CMD) and try again?

Cheers,
Panos

On Mon, 7 Aug 2023, 20:38 Dar Scott via use-livecode, <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

>
> Greetings!
>
> A made a stack with very little script—just enough to exercise the GUI.
>
> (I couldn’t build a Mac app; more on that as a separate question.)
>
> I build a Windows app from my Mac. It takes 40 seconds to load. What might
> I be doing wrong?
>
> I can set up a flash screen, but I’m lazy. Even so, 2/3 of a minute.
>
> Dar
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From dsc at swcp.com  Mon Aug  7 13:46:57 2023
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2023 11:46:57 -0600
Subject: Unable to build for Mac: adding ad-hoc signature failed
Message-ID: <092054D1-2815-43AA-9869-4F67A1A545FD@swcp.com>


I’m having trouble building an application for Mac Intel.

The first time LiveCode crashed.

Subsequent times, I get this error:
There was an error while saving the standalone application
Adding ad-hoc signature failed with error:
/…/myProgram.app:
Replacing existing signature
/…/myProgram.app:
Resource for, Finder information, or similar detritus not
Allowed

I tried fiddling with the PLIST settings without success.

From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Aug  7 13:57:56 2023
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2023 12:57:56 -0500
Subject: tsNetGet() on android
In-Reply-To: <7779CFF0-DC6F-4E2C-9587-4FFB964355CE@elementarysoftware.com>
References: <78391A36-2711-4DB2-8511-8829B3594D0A@elementarysoftware.com>
 <b3360049-a65d-a5be-f22d-bf4f82a8ce6a@sonic.net>
 <7779CFF0-DC6F-4E2C-9587-4FFB964355CE@elementarysoftware.com>
Message-ID: <189d12600a0.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>

 Cool. So, someone helped someone who helped me who helped you. Your turn.

:)
--
Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
On August 6, 2023 11:37:26 PM scott--- via use-livecode 
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> @Jacque:  Nailed it!  Works as expected now. (Forehead slap was gentle but 
> firm)




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Aug  7 17:43:42 2023
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2023 16:43:42 -0500
Subject: Unable to build for Mac: adding ad-hoc signature failed
In-Reply-To: <092054D1-2815-43AA-9869-4F67A1A545FD@swcp.com>
References: <092054D1-2815-43AA-9869-4F67A1A545FD@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <189d1f4b2b0.276f.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>

This might help:
<https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/qa/qa1940/_index.html>
--
Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
On August 7, 2023 12:49:03 PM Dar Scott via use-livecode 
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Im having trouble building an application for Mac Intel.
>
> The first time LiveCode crashed.
>
> Subsequent times, I get this error:
> There was an error while saving the standalone application
> Adding ad-hoc signature failed with error:
> //myProgram.app:
> Replacing existing signature
> //myProgram.app:
> Resource for, Finder information, or similar detritus not
> Allowed
>
> I tried fiddling with the PLIST settings without success.
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
> subscription preferences:
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Aug  7 18:48:27 2023
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2023 22:48:27 +0000
Subject: Bug or...? Native Querying
Message-ID: <105A7904-B04B-4473-8004-424F4636D060@iotecdigital.com>

I have code that uses the native API for SQL (as opposed to sqlYoga) because I have to do some joining that I do not know how to do with sqlYoga. The query string looks like this: 

select fileid,filename,fileversion,filecategory,custid,siteid,deviceid,serviceid,softwareid,parentidlist,filemodified,tempfilemodified,tmpfilesmodified,checkoutid,checkoutname,checkoutpath,rfapath,lastupdate,updateby 
from files t1 
where custid = 56;

When I execute this query in mySQLWorkbench, I get 6 records. When I use the native API: 

put revQueryDatabase( tDBID, tSQL) into tCursor

Then I get the revNumberOfRecords(tCursor), but it’s only 5!!!!!

The same query gets 6 using mySQLWorkbench and only 5 are counted in the cursor! 

Please tell my I haven’t stumbled across a Lex Luther universe! 

Bob S


From dan at clearvisiontech.com  Mon Aug  7 18:56:04 2023
From: dan at clearvisiontech.com (Dan Friedman)
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2023 22:56:04 +0000
Subject: Consumable In App Purchases on Android
In-Reply-To: <189d1f4b2b0.276f.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <092054D1-2815-43AA-9869-4F67A1A545FD@swcp.com>
 <189d1f4b2b0.276f.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <BYAPR12MB27098554E36FF3103EE5E83FB90CA@BYAPR12MB2709.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>

Does anyone have any experience with consumable in-app purchases on Android?   I can’t seem to figure out how to (1) create a consumable product, and (2) how to consume it.   mobileStoreConsumePurchase pProductID doesn’t seem to function right… I get back a result that is “true”, but attempting to purchase the same product, returns “alreadyEntitled”.

The “How do I implement in-app purchases in LiveCode - Google Play Store?” lesson says:  click "In-App Products” and click “Add new product”.  From there, follow the instructions to create the type of in-app purchase you wish to use.

In Google Play Console > Monitize > In-App Products > Create Product, there isn’t a place to select the type of in-app purchase.

Any insight or instructions you may have would be greatly appreciated!!

-Dan

From selander at tkf.att.ne.jp  Mon Aug  7 18:56:50 2023
From: selander at tkf.att.ne.jp (Tim Selander)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 07:56:50 +0900
Subject: Uploading progress bar
Message-ID: <88723a3a-4f10-3988-1911-11a56e1a2fc2@tkf.att.ne.jp>

We are airing a kid's anime program on TV this fall, and are encouraging 
parents to video their kids singing the theme song -- which we'll air at 
the end of the program.

Using LC Server, I made a simple page for the parents to use to upload 
the videos. It's working fine, but I would like to add a progress bar to 
give some kind of user feedback as the upload can take 2 or 3 minutes.

I've found several php scripts that do this, which look great but I have 
no idea how it works, but can anyone tell me how I could do this in LC?

Any and all tips appreciated!

Tim Selander
Tokyo, Japan


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Aug  7 19:02:05 2023
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2023 23:02:05 +0000
Subject: Bug or...? Native Querying
In-Reply-To: <105A7904-B04B-4473-8004-424F4636D060@iotecdigital.com>
References: <105A7904-B04B-4473-8004-424F4636D060@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <BD28860E-98DB-4B49-9199-3D28B9DCE852@iotecdigital.com>

<sigh> I spoke too soon. I appended some SQL onto the initial query and there was an error in the SQL. I used

...where custid = 56 AND fileversion = (select max(fileversion) from files t2 where t2.filename = t1.filename)

I should have used

...where custid = 56 AND fileversion = (select max(t1.fileversion) from files t2 where t2.filename = t1.filename)

I was making an ambiguous reference to fileversion. Odd that the SQL ran anyway. Apparently if the reference is inside a function, mySQL does not balk!

Bob S



On Aug 7, 2023, at 3:48 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

I have code that uses the native API for SQL (as opposed to sqlYoga) because I have to do some joining that I do not know how to do with sqlYoga. The query string looks like this:

select fileid,filename,fileversion,filecategory,custid,siteid,deviceid,serviceid,softwareid,parentidlist,filemodified,tempfilemodified,tmpfilesmodified,checkoutid,checkoutname,checkoutpath,rfapath,lastupdate,updateby
from files t1
where custid = 56;

When I execute this query in mySQLWorkbench, I get 6 records. When I use the native API:

put revQueryDatabase( tDBID, tSQL) into tCursor

Then I get the revNumberOfRecords(tCursor), but it’s only 5!!!!!

The same query gets 6 using mySQLWorkbench and only 5 are counted in the cursor!

Please tell my I haven’t stumbled across a Lex Luther universe!

Bob S


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Aug  7 19:14:44 2023
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2023 23:14:44 +0000
Subject: Bug or...? Native Querying
In-Reply-To: <BD28860E-98DB-4B49-9199-3D28B9DCE852@iotecdigital.com>
References: <105A7904-B04B-4473-8004-424F4636D060@iotecdigital.com>
 <BD28860E-98DB-4B49-9199-3D28B9DCE852@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <F91F7325-51D4-49FF-A23D-DD70BF0DCDDE@iotecdigital.com>

Final correction and then I’ll shut up. Should have read

…where custid = 56 AND fileversion = (select max(t2.fileversion) from files t2 where t2.filename = t1.filename)

MAN that is complicated!

Bob S


On Aug 7, 2023, at 4:01 PM, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com> wrote:

<sigh> I spoke too soon. I appended some SQL onto the initial query and there was an error in the SQL. I used

...where custid = 56 AND fileversion = (select max(fileversion) from files t2 where t2.filename = t1.filename)

I should have used

...where custid = 56 AND fileversion = (select max(t1.fileversion) from files t2 where t2.filename = t1.filename)

I was making an ambiguous reference to fileversion. Odd that the SQL ran anyway. Apparently if the reference is inside a function, mySQL does not balk!

Bob S



On Aug 7, 2023, at 3:48 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

I have code that uses the native API for SQL (as opposed to sqlYoga) because I have to do some joining that I do not know how to do with sqlYoga. The query string looks like this:

select fileid,filename,fileversion,filecategory,custid,siteid,deviceid,serviceid,softwareid,parentidlist,filemodified,tempfilemodified,tmpfilesmodified,checkoutid,checkoutname,checkoutpath,rfapath,lastupdate,updateby
from files t1
where custid = 56;

When I execute this query in mySQLWorkbench, I get 6 records. When I use the native API:

put revQueryDatabase( tDBID, tSQL) into tCursor

Then I get the revNumberOfRecords(tCursor), but it’s only 5!!!!!

The same query gets 6 using mySQLWorkbench and only 5 are counted in the cursor!

Please tell my I haven’t stumbled across a Lex Luther universe!

Bob S



From bdrunrev at gmail.com  Tue Aug  8 02:57:37 2023
From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 07:57:37 +0100
Subject: If you're using the github version of Navigator, please update
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKtqtfjfMzJ3jENB-5pw=ks81Yo4RUEGAh_13gdze6WSB9Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKtqtfjfMzJ3jENB-5pw=ks81Yo4RUEGAh_13gdze6WSB9Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+O+R-GZ5vSZ6-m99eosCtMYNtH+FFNwp+4_5nqJ6xY4bAbmGg@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for reminding me to re-install a copy, Geoff.  I've been away from
LC development for a year or so, started again using a new machine, and had
forgotten how much I like using your tool.  I just downloaded v 7.5 RC2
from your Wordpress site, which looks like it's at the cutting edge along
with the Github version.

I would suggest you put the URL to the documentation in your signature.
Probably most LC users have no idea what they are missing!
https://gcanyon.wordpress.com/navigator-documentation/

Regards
Bernard

On Sat, Aug 5, 2023 at 8:23 AM Geoff Canyon via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Turns out I had a glitch I didn't notice with my github client, and no
> updates were making it to main for some time now. So if you happen to have
> installed Navigator by cloning the repo, now would be a good time to
> update. Some improvements that have happened:
>
>
>

From dsc at swcp.com  Tue Aug  8 09:59:24 2023
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 07:59:24 -0600
Subject: Unable to build for Mac: adding ad-hoc signature failed
In-Reply-To: <189d1f4b2b0.276f.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <092054D1-2815-43AA-9869-4F67A1A545FD@swcp.com>
 <189d1f4b2b0.276f.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <791E7A1D-BB61-4C02-8D8B-F172C8C8AA88@swcp.com>

Thanks, Jacque!

That gives me a clue. I will try to get more info on this.

However, that note shows how to delete the offending resource using the xattr tool, but I have no app to point it to. LiveCode did not build anything.

I’m willing to try some magic values in Standalone Application Settings.
	I’m using LiveCode 9.6.9, but I’m willing to upgrade.
	I’m on macOS Ventura.

Has anyone successfully built a Mac application recently?

Dar

> On Aug 7, 2023, at 3:43 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> This might help:
> <https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/qa/qa1940/_index.html>
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> On August 7, 2023 12:49:03 PM Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> I’m having trouble building an application for Mac Intel.
>> 
>> The first time LiveCode crashed.
>> 
>> Subsequent times, I get this error:
>> There was an error while saving the standalone application
>> Adding ad-hoc signature failed with error:
>> /…/myProgram.app:
>> Replacing existing signature
>> /…/myProgram.app:
>> Resource for, Finder information, or similar detritus not
>> Allowed
>> 
>> I tried fiddling with the PLIST settings without success.
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From gcanyon at gmail.com  Tue Aug  8 10:03:41 2023
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 07:03:41 -0700
Subject: If you're using the github version of Navigator, please update
In-Reply-To: <CA+O+R-GZ5vSZ6-m99eosCtMYNtH+FFNwp+4_5nqJ6xY4bAbmGg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKtqtfjfMzJ3jENB-5pw=ks81Yo4RUEGAh_13gdze6WSB9Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <CA+O+R-GZ5vSZ6-m99eosCtMYNtH+FFNwp+4_5nqJ6xY4bAbmGg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKCLKtq8rvDt4znc4--x5+2OTSmZpRuCKg66OkoE-xdOHf04rw@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for the suggestion, Bernard. Note that in a moment of whimsy I
switched development of the documentation from wordpress to wix. So
documentation on wordpress stops at version 6. Everything more recent is
here: https://gcanyon.wixsite.com/navigator

But even that's slightly out of date. I'll update soon.

Thanks!

Geoff

On Mon, Aug 7, 2023 at 11:59 PM Bernard Devlin via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Thanks for reminding me to re-install a copy, Geoff.  I've been away from
> LC development for a year or so, started again using a new machine, and had
> forgotten how much I like using your tool.  I just downloaded v 7.5 RC2
> from your Wordpress site, which looks like it's at the cutting edge along
> with the Github version.
>
> I would suggest you put the URL to the documentation in your signature.
> Probably most LC users have no idea what they are missing!
> https://gcanyon.wordpress.com/navigator-documentation/
>
> Regards
> Bernard
>
> On Sat, Aug 5, 2023 at 8:23 AM Geoff Canyon via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > Turns out I had a glitch I didn't notice with my github client, and no
> > updates were making it to main for some time now. So if you happen to
> have
> > installed Navigator by cloning the repo, now would be a good time to
> > update. Some improvements that have happened:
> >
> >
> >
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
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From dsc at swcp.com  Tue Aug  8 10:26:42 2023
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 08:26:42 -0600
Subject: Light Windows programs takes 40 s to load
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq9brM_rn=a-N9gZ3LaT42QqS5VK08TsYQekbRSteuLUjA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1032DDA5-E409-49DA-8165-B888D1191233@swcp.com>
 <CA+JfEq9brM_rn=a-N9gZ3LaT42QqS5VK08TsYQekbRSteuLUjA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D0B46E71-3640-4B7C-A6D7-4D3CF5D833F1@swcp.com>

Sure, Panos! Uh, what’s its name?

> On Aug 7, 2023, at 11:42 AM, panagiotis m via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello Dar,
> 
> Could you quit the printer spooler process ( from the task manager or from
> Windows CMD) and try again?
> 
> Cheers,
> Panos
> 
> On Mon, 7 Aug 2023, 20:38 Dar Scott via use-livecode, <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Greetings!
>> 
>> A made a stack with very little script—just enough to exercise the GUI.
>> 
>> (I couldn’t build a Mac app; more on that as a separate question.)
>> 
>> I build a Windows app from my Mac. It takes 40 seconds to load. What might
>> I be doing wrong?
>> 
>> I can set up a flash screen, but I’m lazy. Even so, 2/3 of a minute.
>> 
>> Dar
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
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From merakosp at gmail.com  Tue Aug  8 11:14:12 2023
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis m)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 18:14:12 +0300
Subject: Light Windows programs takes 40 s to load
In-Reply-To: <D0B46E71-3640-4B7C-A6D7-4D3CF5D833F1@swcp.com>
References: <1032DDA5-E409-49DA-8165-B888D1191233@swcp.com>
 <CA+JfEq9brM_rn=a-N9gZ3LaT42QqS5VK08TsYQekbRSteuLUjA@mail.gmail.com>
 <D0B46E71-3640-4B7C-A6D7-4D3CF5D833F1@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq9Om9_V3MPxnPY-BFcY91B1RrsZQLvyrpVCKxx9K8-jkg@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Dar,

So, try this:

1. Open Windows Task Manager
2. Search for a process named "Spooler Subsystem app" or just "Print
Spooler"
3. Force quit this process

Now open your standalone and see if it starts immediately.

Cheers,
Panos
--

On Tue, 8 Aug 2023 at 17:27, Dar Scott via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Sure, Panos! Uh, what’s its name?
>
> > On Aug 7, 2023, at 11:42 AM, panagiotis m via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Dar,
> >
> > Could you quit the printer spooler process ( from the task manager or
> from
> > Windows CMD) and try again?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Panos
> >
> > On Mon, 7 Aug 2023, 20:38 Dar Scott via use-livecode, <
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Greetings!
> >>
> >> A made a stack with very little script—just enough to exercise the GUI.
> >>
> >> (I couldn’t build a Mac app; more on that as a separate question.)
> >>
> >> I build a Windows app from my Mac. It takes 40 seconds to load. What
> might
> >> I be doing wrong?
> >>
> >> I can set up a flash screen, but I’m lazy. Even so, 2/3 of a minute.
> >>
> >> Dar
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> use-livecode mailing list
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> >> subscription preferences:
> >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >>
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Aug  8 11:35:14 2023
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 15:35:14 +0000
Subject: Light Windows programs takes 40 s to load
In-Reply-To: <D0B46E71-3640-4B7C-A6D7-4D3CF5D833F1@swcp.com>
References: <1032DDA5-E409-49DA-8165-B888D1191233@swcp.com>
 <CA+JfEq9brM_rn=a-N9gZ3LaT42QqS5VK08TsYQekbRSteuLUjA@mail.gmail.com>
 <D0B46E71-3640-4B7C-A6D7-4D3CF5D833F1@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <A1C0E01F-D49D-4B57-AB27-877CBA2E6072@iotecdigital.com>

Pardon me if you know this already. Apps that are capable of printing will attempt to connect to the default printer upon launch. Panos is trying to isolate an issue where if the default printer is unresponsive, your app will wait until the process times out before proceeding. In Windows the Print Spooler service is the broker for all print processes. Stopping this service will prevent the long timeout.

If using Windows, pop the Windows menu then start typing the word, “Service”. Once you see “Services” open it, then find the Print Spooler service (the list is Hot Typable but you have to select one of the services first, otherwise just scroll down) the slick the Stop Service button.

BTW I would not use the task manager for this. I do not see either of those names in my tasks. I think the Print Spooler task is actually named Spoolsv.

Bob S


On Aug 8, 2023, at 7:26 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

Sure, Panos! Uh, what’s its name?


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Aug  8 11:44:23 2023
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2023 10:44:23 -0500
Subject: Unable to build for Mac: adding ad-hoc signature failed
In-Reply-To: <791E7A1D-BB61-4C02-8D8B-F172C8C8AA88@swcp.com>
References: <092054D1-2815-43AA-9869-4F67A1A545FD@swcp.com>
 <189d1f4b2b0.276f.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <791E7A1D-BB61-4C02-8D8B-F172C8C8AA88@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <189d5d217d8.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>

I built a Mac standalone about 3 weeks ago without issue using an RC 
version of 9.6.9. I'm still on Monterey though. Do you have any inclusions 
selected or files in the Copy Files pane of the standalone settings? If so, 
try building without them and see what happens.

--
Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
On August 8, 2023 9:01:54 AM Dar Scott via use-livecode 
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Thanks, Jacque!
>
> That gives me a clue. I will try to get more info on this.
>
> However, that note shows how to delete the offending resource using the 
> xattr tool, but I have no app to point it to. LiveCode did not build anything.
>
> Im willing to try some magic values in Standalone Application Settings.
> 	Im using LiveCode 9.6.9, but Im willing to upgrade.
> 	Im on macOS Ventura.
>
> Has anyone successfully built a Mac application recently?
>
> Dar
>
>> On Aug 7, 2023, at 3:43 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> This might help:
>> <https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/qa/qa1940/_index.html>
>> --
>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>> On August 7, 2023 12:49:03 PM Dar Scott via use-livecode 
>> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Im having trouble building an application for Mac Intel.
>>>
>>> The first time LiveCode crashed.
>>>
>>> Subsequent times, I get this error:
>>> There was an error while saving the standalone application
>>> Adding ad-hoc signature failed with error:
>>> //myProgram.app:
>>> Replacing existing signature
>>> //myProgram.app:
>>> Resource for, Finder information, or similar detritus not
>>> Allowed
>>>
>>> I tried fiddling with the PLIST settings without success.
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
>>> subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>
>>
>>
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Aug  8 11:45:40 2023
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 15:45:40 +0000
Subject: Unable to build for Mac: adding ad-hoc signature failed
In-Reply-To: <791E7A1D-BB61-4C02-8D8B-F172C8C8AA88@swcp.com>
References: <092054D1-2815-43AA-9869-4F67A1A545FD@swcp.com>
 <189d1f4b2b0.276f.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <791E7A1D-BB61-4C02-8D8B-F172C8C8AA88@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <BCDED9A6-42C2-43F6-B54E-D9618E0F8BD6@iotecdigital.com>

I have, but I don’t do any signing or notarizing. If that happens transparently, then it’s working for me. 

Bob S


> On Aug 8, 2023, at 6:59 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Thanks, Jacque!
> 
> That gives me a clue. I will try to get more info on this.
> 
> However, that note shows how to delete the offending resource using the xattr tool, but I have no app to point it to. LiveCode did not build anything.
> 
> I’m willing to try some magic values in Standalone Application Settings.
> 	I’m using LiveCode 9.6.9, but I’m willing to upgrade.
> 	I’m on macOS Ventura.
> 
> Has anyone successfully built a Mac application recently?
> 
> Dar
> 
>> On Aug 7, 2023, at 3:43 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> This might help:
>> <https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/qa/qa1940/_index.html>
>> --
>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>> On August 7, 2023 12:49:03 PM Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I’m having trouble building an application for Mac Intel.
>>> 
>>> The first time LiveCode crashed.
>>> 
>>> Subsequent times, I get this error:
>>> There was an error while saving the standalone application
>>> Adding ad-hoc signature failed with error:
>>> /…/myProgram.app:
>>> Replacing existing signature
>>> /…/myProgram.app:
>>> Resource for, Finder information, or similar detritus not
>>> Allowed
>>> 
>>> I tried fiddling with the PLIST settings without success.
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From marksmithhfx at gmail.com  Tue Aug  8 12:07:12 2023
From: marksmithhfx at gmail.com (Mark Smith)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 17:07:12 +0100
Subject: Unable to build for Mac: adding ad-hoc signature failed
In-Reply-To: <791E7A1D-BB61-4C02-8D8B-F172C8C8AA88@swcp.com>
References: <092054D1-2815-43AA-9869-4F67A1A545FD@swcp.com>
 <189d1f4b2b0.276f.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <791E7A1D-BB61-4C02-8D8B-F172C8C8AA88@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <60649154-A10E-4DBA-88B3-6B6576D7A59B@gmail.com>

Hi Dar,

I just built one unsigned and it worked fine. Will you be signing it for distribution in the Mac App store as well? 

Mark

> On 8 Aug 2023, at 2:59 pm, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Thanks, Jacque!
> 
> That gives me a clue. I will try to get more info on this.
> 
> However, that note shows how to delete the offending resource using the xattr tool, but I have no app to point it to. LiveCode did not build anything.
> 
> I’m willing to try some magic values in Standalone Application Settings.
> 	I’m using LiveCode 9.6.9, but I’m willing to upgrade.
> 	I’m on macOS Ventura.
> 
> Has anyone successfully built a Mac application recently?
> 
> Dar
> 
>> On Aug 7, 2023, at 3:43 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> This might help:
>> <https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/qa/qa1940/_index.html>
>> --
>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>> On August 7, 2023 12:49:03 PM Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I’m having trouble building an application for Mac Intel.
>>> 
>>> The first time LiveCode crashed.
>>> 
>>> Subsequent times, I get this error:
>>> There was an error while saving the standalone application
>>> Adding ad-hoc signature failed with error:
>>> /…/myProgram.app:
>>> Replacing existing signature
>>> /…/myProgram.app:
>>> Resource for, Finder information, or similar detritus not
>>> Allowed
>>> 
>>> I tried fiddling with the PLIST settings without success.
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From merakosp at gmail.com  Tue Aug  8 12:07:42 2023
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis m)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 19:07:42 +0300
Subject: Light Windows programs takes 40 s to load
In-Reply-To: <A1C0E01F-D49D-4B57-AB27-877CBA2E6072@iotecdigital.com>
References: <1032DDA5-E409-49DA-8165-B888D1191233@swcp.com>
 <CA+JfEq9brM_rn=a-N9gZ3LaT42QqS5VK08TsYQekbRSteuLUjA@mail.gmail.com>
 <D0B46E71-3640-4B7C-A6D7-4D3CF5D833F1@swcp.com>
 <A1C0E01F-D49D-4B57-AB27-877CBA2E6072@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq8o5fPwQHTTimC3tgZEa2S8C-adJDws6ig=qKpDq+WX0A@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all,

We recently fixed a bug (affecting mainly Windows 11) where the LC
installer, the LC IDE and Windows standalones were crashing on startup. It
turned out this was caused if some generic printer drivers were installed
in the device, and installing the official printer drivers from the
vendor's website prevented the crash. We had reports for Brother printers,
Epson and HP if I remember correctly.

The fix we added did fix the crash, but in some cases caused a delay on
startup, if the device still had the "generic" printer driver installed.

That's why I asked to quit the printer spooler and try again - if it works
with the printer spooler not running, it means that this device has a
"generic" printer driver installed, so Dar could just install the official
driver from the vendor's website and have the issue fixed.

Kind regards,
Panos



On Tue, 8 Aug 2023 at 18:36, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Pardon me if you know this already. Apps that are capable of printing will
> attempt to connect to the default printer upon launch. Panos is trying to
> isolate an issue where if the default printer is unresponsive, your app
> will wait until the process times out before proceeding. In Windows the
> Print Spooler service is the broker for all print processes. Stopping this
> service will prevent the long timeout.
>
> If using Windows, pop the Windows menu then start typing the word,
> “Service”. Once you see “Services” open it, then find the Print Spooler
> service (the list is Hot Typable but you have to select one of the services
> first, otherwise just scroll down) the slick the Stop Service button.
>
> BTW I would not use the task manager for this. I do not see either of
> those names in my tasks. I think the Print Spooler task is actually named
> Spoolsv.
>
> Bob S
>
>
> On Aug 8, 2023, at 7:26 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> Sure, Panos! Uh, what’s its name?
>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Aug  8 12:08:59 2023
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2023 11:08:59 -0500
Subject: Unable to build for Mac: adding ad-hoc signature failed
In-Reply-To: <BCDED9A6-42C2-43F6-B54E-D9618E0F8BD6@iotecdigital.com>
References: <092054D1-2815-43AA-9869-4F67A1A545FD@swcp.com>
 <189d1f4b2b0.276f.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <791E7A1D-BB61-4C02-8D8B-F172C8C8AA88@swcp.com>
 <BCDED9A6-42C2-43F6-B54E-D9618E0F8BD6@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <189d5e89d78.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>

Signing happens after the app is built and is a manual process, so yours 
isn't signed /notarized yet. But unsigned apps run on the development 
machine anyway, so I'd say you built the app successfully.

--
Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
On August 8, 2023 10:47:34 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I have, but I dont do any signing or notarizing. If that happens 
> transparently, then its working for me.
>
> Bob S
>
>
>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 6:59 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode 
>> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks, Jacque!
>>
>> That gives me a clue. I will try to get more info on this.
>>
>> However, that note shows how to delete the offending resource using the 
>> xattr tool, but I have no app to point it to. LiveCode did not build anything.
>>
>> Im willing to try some magic values in Standalone Application Settings.
>> 	Im using LiveCode 9.6.9, but Im willing to upgrade.
>> 	Im on macOS Ventura.
>>
>> Has anyone successfully built a Mac application recently?
>>
>> Dar
>>
>>> On Aug 7, 2023, at 3:43 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>>> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> This might help:
>>> <https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/qa/qa1940/_index.html>
>>> --
>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>> On August 7, 2023 12:49:03 PM Dar Scott via use-livecode 
>>> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Im having trouble building an application for Mac Intel.
>>>>
>>>> The first time LiveCode crashed.
>>>>
>>>> Subsequent times, I get this error:
>>>> There was an error while saving the standalone application
>>>> Adding ad-hoc signature failed with error:
>>>> //myProgram.app:
>>>> Replacing existing signature
>>>> //myProgram.app:
>>>> Resource for, Finder information, or similar detritus not
>>>> Allowed
>>>>
>>>> I tried fiddling with the PLIST settings without success.
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
>>>> subscription preferences:
>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From marksmithhfx at gmail.com  Tue Aug  8 12:11:39 2023
From: marksmithhfx at gmail.com (Mark Smith)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 17:11:39 +0100
Subject: Unable to build for Mac: adding ad-hoc signature failed
In-Reply-To: <791E7A1D-BB61-4C02-8D8B-F172C8C8AA88@swcp.com>
References: <092054D1-2815-43AA-9869-4F67A1A545FD@swcp.com>
 <189d1f4b2b0.276f.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <791E7A1D-BB61-4C02-8D8B-F172C8C8AA88@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <02F4A07C-7772-46A6-826A-D5F8FD4C016E@gmail.com>

I should add I used 9.6.8 on Monterey. 

> On 8 Aug 2023, at 2:59 pm, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Thanks, Jacque!
> 
> That gives me a clue. I will try to get more info on this.
> 
> However, that note shows how to delete the offending resource using the xattr tool, but I have no app to point it to. LiveCode did not build anything.
> 
> I’m willing to try some magic values in Standalone Application Settings.
> 	I’m using LiveCode 9.6.9, but I’m willing to upgrade.
> 	I’m on macOS Ventura.
> 
> Has anyone successfully built a Mac application recently?
> 
> Dar
> 
>> On Aug 7, 2023, at 3:43 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> This might help:
>> <https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/qa/qa1940/_index.html>
>> --
>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>> On August 7, 2023 12:49:03 PM Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I’m having trouble building an application for Mac Intel.
>>> 
>>> The first time LiveCode crashed.
>>> 
>>> Subsequent times, I get this error:
>>> There was an error while saving the standalone application
>>> Adding ad-hoc signature failed with error:
>>> /…/myProgram.app:
>>> Replacing existing signature
>>> /…/myProgram.app:
>>> Resource for, Finder information, or similar detritus not
>>> Allowed
>>> 
>>> I tried fiddling with the PLIST settings without success.
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From merakosp at gmail.com  Tue Aug  8 12:12:29 2023
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis m)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 19:12:29 +0300
Subject: Unable to build for Mac: adding ad-hoc signature failed
In-Reply-To: <60649154-A10E-4DBA-88B3-6B6576D7A59B@gmail.com>
References: <092054D1-2815-43AA-9869-4F67A1A545FD@swcp.com>
 <189d1f4b2b0.276f.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <791E7A1D-BB61-4C02-8D8B-F172C8C8AA88@swcp.com>
 <60649154-A10E-4DBA-88B3-6B6576D7A59B@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq-Uhw=Fn=MtFk4EFAwQ3ytrLbS70rf2XjkCw=z4LfjQPA@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all,

The standalone builder does add a signature when building the mac
standalone - but an ad hoc one (i.e. it does not use an actual
certificate). The error Dar gets happens during the standalone building
process.

@Dar
Could you attach the exact error? Just upload the screenshot somewhere and
post the link. It might help us isolate the problem, although I suspect it
is related to the command line tools version you have installed.

Could you try this in the terminal and post the output?

xcode-select -p

Cheers,
Panos

On Tue, 8 Aug 2023 at 19:08, Mark Smith via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi Dar,
>
> I just built one unsigned and it worked fine. Will you be signing it for
> distribution in the Mac App store as well?
>
> Mark
>
> > On 8 Aug 2023, at 2:59 pm, Dar Scott via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks, Jacque!
> >
> > That gives me a clue. I will try to get more info on this.
> >
> > However, that note shows how to delete the offending resource using the
> xattr tool, but I have no app to point it to. LiveCode did not build
> anything.
> >
> > I’m willing to try some magic values in Standalone Application Settings.
> >       I’m using LiveCode 9.6.9, but I’m willing to upgrade.
> >       I’m on macOS Ventura.
> >
> > Has anyone successfully built a Mac application recently?
> >
> > Dar
> >
> >> On Aug 7, 2023, at 3:43 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> This might help:
> >> <https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/qa/qa1940/_index.html>
> >> --
> >> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> >> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> >> On August 7, 2023 12:49:03 PM Dar Scott via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I’m having trouble building an application for Mac Intel.
> >>>
> >>> The first time LiveCode crashed.
> >>>
> >>> Subsequent times, I get this error:
> >>> There was an error while saving the standalone application
> >>> Adding ad-hoc signature failed with error:
> >>> /…/myProgram.app:
> >>> Replacing existing signature
> >>> /…/myProgram.app:
> >>> Resource for, Finder information, or similar detritus not
> >>> Allowed
> >>>
> >>> I tried fiddling with the PLIST settings without success.
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> use-livecode mailing list
> >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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From dsc at swcp.com  Tue Aug  8 12:19:46 2023
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 10:19:46 -0600
Subject: Unable to build for Mac: adding ad-hoc signature failed
In-Reply-To: <189d5e89d78.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <092054D1-2815-43AA-9869-4F67A1A545FD@swcp.com>
 <189d1f4b2b0.276f.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <791E7A1D-BB61-4C02-8D8B-F172C8C8AA88@swcp.com>
 <BCDED9A6-42C2-43F6-B54E-D9618E0F8BD6@iotecdigital.com>
 <189d5e89d78.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <656E739B-E786-4862-A0D0-54798D7A9CCF@swcp.com>

I removed all inclusions. I opted to remove all profiles, probably none. There are no Copy Files. I’m building for Intel only. 

For PLIST I chose Chose a PLIST and then clicked Use None.

I set my bundle identifier and have not changed that among my attempts. I left all of the other Version Information as default. 

I have no Icons added.

I get the same error.

Dar

> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:08 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Signing happens after the app is built and is a manual process, so yours isn't signed /notarized yet. But unsigned apps run on the development machine anyway, so I'd say you built the app successfully.
> 
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> On August 8, 2023 10:47:34 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> I have, but I don’t do any signing or notarizing. If that happens transparently, then it’s working for me.
>> 
>> Bob S
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 6:59 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks, Jacque!
>>> 
>>> That gives me a clue. I will try to get more info on this.
>>> 
>>> However, that note shows how to delete the offending resource using the xattr tool, but I have no app to point it to. LiveCode did not build anything.
>>> 
>>> I’m willing to try some magic values in Standalone Application Settings.
>>> 	I’m using LiveCode 9.6.9, but I’m willing to upgrade.
>>> 	I’m on macOS Ventura.
>>> 
>>> Has anyone successfully built a Mac application recently?
>>> 
>>> Dar
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 7, 2023, at 3:43 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> This might help:
>>>> <https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/qa/qa1940/_index.html>
>>>> --
>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>>> On August 7, 2023 12:49:03 PM Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I’m having trouble building an application for Mac Intel.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The first time LiveCode crashed.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Subsequent times, I get this error:
>>>>> There was an error while saving the standalone application
>>>>> Adding ad-hoc signature failed with error:
>>>>> /…/myProgram.app:
>>>>> Replacing existing signature
>>>>> /…/myProgram.app:
>>>>> Resource for, Finder information, or similar detritus not
>>>>> Allowed
>>>>> 
>>>>> I tried fiddling with the PLIST settings without success.
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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From merakosp at gmail.com  Tue Aug  8 12:19:52 2023
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis m)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 19:19:52 +0300
Subject: Consumable In App Purchases on Android
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR12MB27098554E36FF3103EE5E83FB90CA@BYAPR12MB2709.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
References: <092054D1-2815-43AA-9869-4F67A1A545FD@swcp.com>
 <189d1f4b2b0.276f.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <BYAPR12MB27098554E36FF3103EE5E83FB90CA@BYAPR12MB2709.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq8XRX=hX8kxaD__jrk_LEXJL1zWAy4U+k27-LWXgjiyNw@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Dan,

I think Google no longer differentiates between consumables and
non-consumables when setting up the in-app product - they are both marked
as "In-App Products”. However, in LiveCode, you have to call
mobileStoreConsumePurchase pProductID to be able to buy the product again -
otherwise you get a "alreadyEntitled" status.

If you do this, and still get "alreadyEntitled", then you have to ensure
that the pProductID param passed to mobileStoreConsumePurchase indeed
matches exactly the product id of the product you set up in the google dev
console.

Hope this helps.

Kind regards,
Panos

On Tue, 8 Aug 2023 at 01:57, Dan Friedman via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Does anyone have any experience with consumable in-app purchases on
> Android?   I can’t seem to figure out how to (1) create a consumable
> product, and (2) how to consume it.   mobileStoreConsumePurchase pProductID
> doesn’t seem to function right… I get back a result that is “true”, but
> attempting to purchase the same product, returns “alreadyEntitled”.
>
> The “How do I implement in-app purchases in LiveCode - Google Play Store?”
> lesson says:  click "In-App Products” and click “Add new product”.  From
> there, follow the instructions to create the type of in-app purchase you
> wish to use.
>
> In Google Play Console > Monitize > In-App Products > Create Product,
> there isn’t a place to select the type of in-app purchase.
>
> Any insight or instructions you may have would be greatly appreciated!!
>
> -Dan
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Aug  8 12:28:31 2023
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 16:28:31 +0000
Subject: Variable Watcher disappeared
Message-ID: <A4DB77FB-CB62-487C-91C1-9C648AA37782@iotecdigital.com>

Hi all. 

Not sure how I did it but I can no longer see the variables while debugging. The bottom pane has disappeared and nothing I can find can get it back. Any ideas? 

Bob S



From dan at clearvisiontech.com  Tue Aug  8 12:35:19 2023
From: dan at clearvisiontech.com (Dan Friedman)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 16:35:19 +0000
Subject: Consumable In App Purchases on Android
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq8XRX=hX8kxaD__jrk_LEXJL1zWAy4U+k27-LWXgjiyNw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <092054D1-2815-43AA-9869-4F67A1A545FD@swcp.com>
 <189d1f4b2b0.276f.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <BYAPR12MB27098554E36FF3103EE5E83FB90CA@BYAPR12MB2709.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
 <CA+JfEq8XRX=hX8kxaD__jrk_LEXJL1zWAy4U+k27-LWXgjiyNw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BYAPR12MB2709417D61C6292A2ABAB3D8B90DA@BYAPR12MB2709.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>

Panos,

Thank you for the reply.   Unfortunately, this isn’t working for me… maybe I’m doing something wrong?  Product ID is “1001”.  I was able to purchase that product no problem.  If I attempt to purchase it again, I get “alreadyEntitled”.

In a button I put:

on mouseUp
    mobileStoreConsumePurchase 1001
    answer the result
end mouseUp

The result is empty (I assume that is success).  Then, I attempt to purchase 1001 and again I get “alreadyEntitled”.

I then tried (just guessing at what I need to do as the docs are very vague on how to use it):

on mouseUp
    mobileStoreEnablePurchaseUpdates
    mobileStoreSetProductType 1001,"inapp"
    mobileStoreConsumePurchase 1001
    answer the result
end mouseUp

Again, result is empty and an attempt to purchase 1001 again, gets “alreadyEntitled”.

What am I doing wrong?

-Dan



From: use-livecode <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com> on behalf of panagiotis m via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Date: Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 9:21 AM
To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Cc: panagiotis m <merakosp at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Consumable In App Purchases on Android
Hello Dan,

I think Google no longer differentiates between consumables and
non-consumables when setting up the in-app product - they are both marked
as "In-App Products”. However, in LiveCode, you have to call
mobileStoreConsumePurchase pProductID to be able to buy the product again -
otherwise you get a "alreadyEntitled" status.

If you do this, and still get "alreadyEntitled", then you have to ensure
that the pProductID param passed to mobileStoreConsumePurchase indeed
matches exactly the product id of the product you set up in the google dev
console.

Hope this helps.

Kind regards,
Panos

On Tue, 8 Aug 2023 at 01:57, Dan Friedman via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Does anyone have any experience with consumable in-app purchases on
> Android?   I can’t seem to figure out how to (1) create a consumable
> product, and (2) how to consume it.   mobileStoreConsumePurchase pProductID
> doesn’t seem to function right… I get back a result that is “true”, but
> attempting to purchase the same product, returns “alreadyEntitled”.
>
> The “How do I implement in-app purchases in LiveCode - Google Play Store?”
> lesson says:  click "In-App Products” and click “Add new product”.  From
> there, follow the instructions to create the type of in-app purchase you
> wish to use.
>
> In Google Play Console > Monitize > In-App Products > Create Product,
> there isn’t a place to select the type of in-app purchase.
>
> Any insight or instructions you may have would be greatly appreciated!!
>
> -Dan
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From dsc at swcp.com  Tue Aug  8 12:37:57 2023
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 10:37:57 -0600
Subject: Light Windows programs takes 40 s to load
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq8o5fPwQHTTimC3tgZEa2S8C-adJDws6ig=qKpDq+WX0A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1032DDA5-E409-49DA-8165-B888D1191233@swcp.com>
 <CA+JfEq9brM_rn=a-N9gZ3LaT42QqS5VK08TsYQekbRSteuLUjA@mail.gmail.com>
 <D0B46E71-3640-4B7C-A6D7-4D3CF5D833F1@swcp.com>
 <A1C0E01F-D49D-4B57-AB27-877CBA2E6072@iotecdigital.com>
 <CA+JfEq8o5fPwQHTTimC3tgZEa2S8C-adJDws6ig=qKpDq+WX0A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1335B845-0809-4929-98E7-8EBF048E81E6@swcp.com>

I stopped service Spoolsv. The executable then loaded quickly.

It is not possible to delete drivers on that computer.

I will set up a different computer with limited printer drivers.

I look forward to seeing this resolved.

My program does not print. Is there something I can remove in the creating of a standalone?

Dar

> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:07 AM, panagiotis m via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> We recently fixed a bug (affecting mainly Windows 11) where the LC
> installer, the LC IDE and Windows standalones were crashing on startup. It
> turned out this was caused if some generic printer drivers were installed
> in the device, and installing the official printer drivers from the
> vendor's website prevented the crash. We had reports for Brother printers,
> Epson and HP if I remember correctly.
> 
> The fix we added did fix the crash, but in some cases caused a delay on
> startup, if the device still had the "generic" printer driver installed.
> 
> That's why I asked to quit the printer spooler and try again - if it works
> with the printer spooler not running, it means that this device has a
> "generic" printer driver installed, so Dar could just install the official
> driver from the vendor's website and have the issue fixed.
> 
> Kind regards,
> Panos
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, 8 Aug 2023 at 18:36, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> Pardon me if you know this already. Apps that are capable of printing will
>> attempt to connect to the default printer upon launch. Panos is trying to
>> isolate an issue where if the default printer is unresponsive, your app
>> will wait until the process times out before proceeding. In Windows the
>> Print Spooler service is the broker for all print processes. Stopping this
>> service will prevent the long timeout.
>> 
>> If using Windows, pop the Windows menu then start typing the word,
>> “Service”. Once you see “Services” open it, then find the Print Spooler
>> service (the list is Hot Typable but you have to select one of the services
>> first, otherwise just scroll down) the slick the Stop Service button.
>> 
>> BTW I would not use the task manager for this. I do not see either of
>> those names in my tasks. I think the Print Spooler task is actually named
>> Spoolsv.
>> 
>> Bob S
>> 
>> 
>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 7:26 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Sure, Panos! Uh, what’s its name?
>> 
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Aug  8 12:39:06 2023
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2023 11:39:06 -0500
Subject: Light Windows programs takes 40 s to load
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq8o5fPwQHTTimC3tgZEa2S8C-adJDws6ig=qKpDq+WX0A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1032DDA5-E409-49DA-8165-B888D1191233@swcp.com>
 <CA+JfEq9brM_rn=a-N9gZ3LaT42QqS5VK08TsYQekbRSteuLUjA@mail.gmail.com>
 <D0B46E71-3640-4B7C-A6D7-4D3CF5D833F1@swcp.com>
 <A1C0E01F-D49D-4B57-AB27-877CBA2E6072@iotecdigital.com>
 <CA+JfEq8o5fPwQHTTimC3tgZEa2S8C-adJDws6ig=qKpDq+WX0A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <189d6043010.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>

Removing the print driver or spooler works on the current machine but it 
will affect any other user who runs the app. We have a steady stream of 
support tickets from Windows users and a boilerplate response prepared.
--
Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
On August 8, 2023 11:09:41 AM panagiotis m via use-livecode 
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> We recently fixed a bug (affecting mainly Windows 11) where the LC
> installer, the LC IDE and Windows standalones were crashing on startup. It
> turned out this was caused if some generic printer drivers were installed
> in the device, and installing the official printer drivers from the
> vendor's website prevented the crash. We had reports for Brother printers,
> Epson and HP if I remember correctly.
>
> The fix we added did fix the crash, but in some cases caused a delay on
> startup, if the device still had the "generic" printer driver installed.
>
> That's why I asked to quit the printer spooler and try again - if it works
> with the printer spooler not running, it means that this device has a
> "generic" printer driver installed, so Dar could just install the official
> driver from the vendor's website and have the issue fixed.
>
> Kind regards,
> Panos
>
>
>
> On Tue, 8 Aug 2023 at 18:36, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> Pardon me if you know this already. Apps that are capable of printing will
>> attempt to connect to the default printer upon launch. Panos is trying to
>> isolate an issue where if the default printer is unresponsive, your app
>> will wait until the process times out before proceeding. In Windows the
>> Print Spooler service is the broker for all print processes. Stopping this
>> service will prevent the long timeout.
>>
>> If using Windows, pop the Windows menu then start typing the word,
>> Service. Once you see Services open it, then find the Print Spooler
>> service (the list is Hot Typable but you have to select one of the services
>> first, otherwise just scroll down) the slick the Stop Service button.
>>
>> BTW I would not use the task manager for this. I do not see either of
>> those names in my tasks. I think the Print Spooler task is actually named
>> Spoolsv.
>>
>> Bob S
>>
>>
>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 7:26 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> Sure, Panos! Uh, whats its name?
>>
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From dsc at swcp.com  Tue Aug  8 12:41:45 2023
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 10:41:45 -0600
Subject: Unable to build for Mac: adding ad-hoc signature failed
In-Reply-To: <656E739B-E786-4862-A0D0-54798D7A9CCF@swcp.com>
References: <092054D1-2815-43AA-9869-4F67A1A545FD@swcp.com>
 <189d1f4b2b0.276f.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <791E7A1D-BB61-4C02-8D8B-F172C8C8AA88@swcp.com>
 <BCDED9A6-42C2-43F6-B54E-D9618E0F8BD6@iotecdigital.com>
 <189d5e89d78.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <656E739B-E786-4862-A0D0-54798D7A9CCF@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <ED4B12E1-4688-4E95-B96E-143F91EBEBDB@swcp.com>

xcode-select -p
/Library/Developer/CommandLineTools

> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:19 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I removed all inclusions. I opted to remove all profiles, probably none. There are no Copy Files. I’m building for Intel only. 
> 
> For PLIST I chose Chose a PLIST and then clicked Use None.
> 
> I set my bundle identifier and have not changed that among my attempts. I left all of the other Version Information as default. 
> 
> I have no Icons added.
> 
> I get the same error.
> 
> Dar
> 
>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:08 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Signing happens after the app is built and is a manual process, so yours isn't signed /notarized yet. But unsigned apps run on the development machine anyway, so I'd say you built the app successfully.
>> 
>> --
>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>> On August 8, 2023 10:47:34 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I have, but I don’t do any signing or notarizing. If that happens transparently, then it’s working for me.
>>> 
>>> Bob S
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 6:59 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks, Jacque!
>>>> 
>>>> That gives me a clue. I will try to get more info on this.
>>>> 
>>>> However, that note shows how to delete the offending resource using the xattr tool, but I have no app to point it to. LiveCode did not build anything.
>>>> 
>>>> I’m willing to try some magic values in Standalone Application Settings.
>>>> 	I’m using LiveCode 9.6.9, but I’m willing to upgrade.
>>>> 	I’m on macOS Ventura.
>>>> 
>>>> Has anyone successfully built a Mac application recently?
>>>> 
>>>> Dar
>>>> 
>>>>> On Aug 7, 2023, at 3:43 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> This might help:
>>>>> <https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/qa/qa1940/_index.html>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>>>> On August 7, 2023 12:49:03 PM Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I’m having trouble building an application for Mac Intel.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The first time LiveCode crashed.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Subsequent times, I get this error:
>>>>>> There was an error while saving the standalone application
>>>>>> Adding ad-hoc signature failed with error:
>>>>>> /…/myProgram.app:
>>>>>> Replacing existing signature
>>>>>> /…/myProgram.app:
>>>>>> Resource for, Finder information, or similar detritus not
>>>>>> Allowed
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I tried fiddling with the PLIST settings without success.
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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>> 
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From marksmithhfx at gmail.com  Tue Aug  8 12:47:05 2023
From: marksmithhfx at gmail.com (Mark Smith)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 17:47:05 +0100
Subject: Unable to build for Mac: adding ad-hoc signature failed
In-Reply-To: <ED4B12E1-4688-4E95-B96E-143F91EBEBDB@swcp.com>
References: <092054D1-2815-43AA-9869-4F67A1A545FD@swcp.com>
 <189d1f4b2b0.276f.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <791E7A1D-BB61-4C02-8D8B-F172C8C8AA88@swcp.com>
 <BCDED9A6-42C2-43F6-B54E-D9618E0F8BD6@iotecdigital.com>
 <189d5e89d78.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <656E739B-E786-4862-A0D0-54798D7A9CCF@swcp.com>
 <ED4B12E1-4688-4E95-B96E-143F91EBEBDB@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <D54C2B47-0898-4AA7-A0E3-F3D8DEABA56D@gmail.com>

I get this in response to Xcode-select -p

/Applications/Xcode 13.2.app/Contents/Developer


> On 8 Aug 2023, at 5:41 pm, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> xcode-select -p
> /Library/Developer/CommandLineTools
> 
>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:19 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I removed all inclusions. I opted to remove all profiles, probably none. There are no Copy Files. I’m building for Intel only. 
>> 
>> For PLIST I chose Chose a PLIST and then clicked Use None.
>> 
>> I set my bundle identifier and have not changed that among my attempts. I left all of the other Version Information as default. 
>> 
>> I have no Icons added.
>> 
>> I get the same error.
>> 
>> Dar
>> 
>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:08 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Signing happens after the app is built and is a manual process, so yours isn't signed /notarized yet. But unsigned apps run on the development machine anyway, so I'd say you built the app successfully.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>> On August 8, 2023 10:47:34 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I have, but I don’t do any signing or notarizing. If that happens transparently, then it’s working for me.
>>>> 
>>>> Bob S
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 6:59 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks, Jacque!
>>>>> 
>>>>> That gives me a clue. I will try to get more info on this.
>>>>> 
>>>>> However, that note shows how to delete the offending resource using the xattr tool, but I have no app to point it to. LiveCode did not build anything.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I’m willing to try some magic values in Standalone Application Settings.
>>>>> 	I’m using LiveCode 9.6.9, but I’m willing to upgrade.
>>>>> 	I’m on macOS Ventura.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Has anyone successfully built a Mac application recently?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Dar
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Aug 7, 2023, at 3:43 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> This might help:
>>>>>> <https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/qa/qa1940/_index.html>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>> On August 7, 2023 12:49:03 PM Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I’m having trouble building an application for Mac Intel.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The first time LiveCode crashed.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Subsequent times, I get this error:
>>>>>>> There was an error while saving the standalone application
>>>>>>> Adding ad-hoc signature failed with error:
>>>>>>> /…/myProgram.app:
>>>>>>> Replacing existing signature
>>>>>>> /…/myProgram.app:
>>>>>>> Resource for, Finder information, or similar detritus not
>>>>>>> Allowed
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I tried fiddling with the PLIST settings without success.
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From dsc at swcp.com  Tue Aug  8 12:47:10 2023
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 10:47:10 -0600
Subject: Unable to build for Mac: adding ad-hoc signature failed
In-Reply-To: <ED4B12E1-4688-4E95-B96E-143F91EBEBDB@swcp.com>
References: <092054D1-2815-43AA-9869-4F67A1A545FD@swcp.com>
 <189d1f4b2b0.276f.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <791E7A1D-BB61-4C02-8D8B-F172C8C8AA88@swcp.com>
 <BCDED9A6-42C2-43F6-B54E-D9618E0F8BD6@iotecdigital.com>
 <189d5e89d78.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <656E739B-E786-4862-A0D0-54798D7A9CCF@swcp.com>
 <ED4B12E1-4688-4E95-B96E-143F91EBEBDB@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <9EAE9EBA-219E-40F3-809A-AF9DB3636FA4@swcp.com>

Oh, and I’m building from a network drive.


> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:41 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> xcode-select -p
> /Library/Developer/CommandLineTools
> 
>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:19 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I removed all inclusions. I opted to remove all profiles, probably none. There are no Copy Files. I’m building for Intel only. 
>> 
>> For PLIST I chose Chose a PLIST and then clicked Use None.
>> 
>> I set my bundle identifier and have not changed that among my attempts. I left all of the other Version Information as default. 
>> 
>> I have no Icons added.
>> 
>> I get the same error.
>> 
>> Dar
>> 
>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:08 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Signing happens after the app is built and is a manual process, so yours isn't signed /notarized yet. But unsigned apps run on the development machine anyway, so I'd say you built the app successfully.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>> On August 8, 2023 10:47:34 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I have, but I don’t do any signing or notarizing. If that happens transparently, then it’s working for me.
>>>> 
>>>> Bob S
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 6:59 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks, Jacque!
>>>>> 
>>>>> That gives me a clue. I will try to get more info on this.
>>>>> 
>>>>> However, that note shows how to delete the offending resource using the xattr tool, but I have no app to point it to. LiveCode did not build anything.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I’m willing to try some magic values in Standalone Application Settings.
>>>>> 	I’m using LiveCode 9.6.9, but I’m willing to upgrade.
>>>>> 	I’m on macOS Ventura.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Has anyone successfully built a Mac application recently?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Dar
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Aug 7, 2023, at 3:43 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> This might help:
>>>>>> <https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/qa/qa1940/_index.html>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>> On August 7, 2023 12:49:03 PM Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I’m having trouble building an application for Mac Intel.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The first time LiveCode crashed.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Subsequent times, I get this error:
>>>>>>> There was an error while saving the standalone application
>>>>>>> Adding ad-hoc signature failed with error:
>>>>>>> /…/myProgram.app:
>>>>>>> Replacing existing signature
>>>>>>> /…/myProgram.app:
>>>>>>> Resource for, Finder information, or similar detritus not
>>>>>>> Allowed
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I tried fiddling with the PLIST settings without success.
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>>>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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From mkoob at rogers.com  Tue Aug  8 13:18:16 2023
From: mkoob at rogers.com (Martin Koob)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 13:18:16 -0400
Subject: Variable Watcher disappeared
In-Reply-To: <A4DB77FB-CB62-487C-91C1-9C648AA37782@iotecdigital.com>
References: <A4DB77FB-CB62-487C-91C1-9C648AA37782@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <2E7C61D6-01E0-4AB0-8DD0-6EDEF268C6B6@rogers.com>

Hi Bob

So you can see the Script Editor but you can’t see the variables pane at the bottom?

There is a drag handle at the bottom of the Script Editor pane to resize it.   Maybe you accidentally dragged that to the bottom hiding the variable pane at the bottom.

Even if you did that you should still see the tabs for ‘Errors’; ‘Variables’; ‘Documentation’; ‘Breakpoints’; ’Search Results’.

You should be able to drag the Drag handle up to reveal the bottom pane.


The following doesn’t probably apply to you if your Script Editor Stack is open and visible.

You probably know this but another thing that happens to me is that some of the LiveCode stacks disappear randomly.

One thing that happens is that they somehow get moved offscreen. 

To get them back I first check if they are there by typing the following into the message box.

put the openstacks

That should result in a list like this.

Message Box
My Demo Stack
revInspector
revTools
revNewScriptEditor 1
revDictionary
revMenuBar
Improve LiveCode Handler Finder
com.livecode.palette.autocomplete.completions

If you see the stack in the list that you are looking for you can relocate it back to the screen by setting its location to something that will be on your display by entering the following in the message box.
set the topleft of stack "revtools" to 100,100





Two other reasons stacks disappear is that they become hidden or closed.



If the stack is closed then enter the following in the message box

open stack “revtools



If the stack is open but hidden enter

show stack “revtools”

If it is your message box that you can’t find then there is nothing you can do….


… Just kidding.  ;-)

Just type command key + M to show the message box.


Bob, I am sure this is covering things you already know  but just in case there others in future are looking for this I added the other cases where your LiveCode IDE stacks disappear.

BTW I am using LC 9.6.9 on a M1 Max Mac running Ventura 13.41

Martin

> On Aug 8, 2023, at 12:28 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi all. 
> 
> Not sure how I did it but I can no longer see the variables while debugging. The bottom pane has disappeared and nothing I can find can get it back. Any ideas? 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
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From dick.kriesel at mail.com  Tue Aug  8 13:22:44 2023
From: dick.kriesel at mail.com (Dick Kriesel)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 10:22:44 -0700
Subject: Variable Watcher disappeared
In-Reply-To: <A4DB77FB-CB62-487C-91C1-9C648AA37782@iotecdigital.com>
References: <A4DB77FB-CB62-487C-91C1-9C648AA37782@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <0CB5E66C-8681-4754-9418-E1E2B8183189@mail.com>

Hi, Bob. The bottom pane reappears to show search results, so search for something.
— Dick

> On Aug 8, 2023, at 9:28 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi all. 
> 
> Not sure how I did it but I can no longer see the variables while debugging. The bottom pane has disappeared and nothing I can find can get it back. Any ideas? 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Aug  8 13:28:31 2023
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 17:28:31 +0000
Subject: Variable Watcher disappeared
In-Reply-To: <0CB5E66C-8681-4754-9418-E1E2B8183189@mail.com>
References: <A4DB77FB-CB62-487C-91C1-9C648AA37782@iotecdigital.com>
 <0CB5E66C-8681-4754-9418-E1E2B8183189@mail.com>
Message-ID: <F83FBB64-0473-44F2-8237-95542ADC26CC@iotecdigital.com>

That was a good suggestion, but alas no cookie. The entire window is visible, but the handle to resize is not visible. The handle for the handlers pane is visible, but is lower than halfway down the window, clueing me into the likelihood that something has gone horribly awry with my script editor. Quitting and relaunching does not fix it. 

I checked the forums and bug reports, nothing I can find. I’ll contact support I guess. 

Bob S


> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:22 AM, Dick Kriesel via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi, Bob. The bottom pane reappears to show search results, so search for something.
> — Dick
> 
>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 9:28 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all. 
>> 
>> Not sure how I did it but I can no longer see the variables while debugging. The bottom pane has disappeared and nothing I can find can get it back. Any ideas? 
>> 
>> Bob S
>> 
>> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Aug  8 13:39:10 2023
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 17:39:10 +0000
Subject: Variable Watcher disappeared
In-Reply-To: <F83FBB64-0473-44F2-8237-95542ADC26CC@iotecdigital.com>
References: <A4DB77FB-CB62-487C-91C1-9C648AA37782@iotecdigital.com>
 <0CB5E66C-8681-4754-9418-E1E2B8183189@mail.com>
 <F83FBB64-0473-44F2-8237-95542ADC26CC@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <44FF4A7B-5381-4E21-99A6-D6E03F131205@iotecdigital.com>

Resetting prefs fixed it. Should be a better way than starting from scratch though. 

Bob S


> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:28 AM, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com> wrote:
> 
> That was a good suggestion, but alas no cookie. The entire window is visible, but the handle to resize is not visible. The handle for the handlers pane is visible, but is lower than halfway down the window, clueing me into the likelihood that something has gone horribly awry with my script editor. Quitting and relaunching does not fix it. 
> 
> I checked the forums and bug reports, nothing I can find. I’ll contact support I guess. 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:22 AM, Dick Kriesel via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, Bob. The bottom pane reappears to show search results, so search for something.
>> — Dick
>> 
>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 9:28 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all. 
>>> 
>>> Not sure how I did it but I can no longer see the variables while debugging. The bottom pane has disappeared and nothing I can find can get it back. Any ideas? 
>>> 
>>> Bob S
>>> 
>>> 
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From dsc at swcp.com  Tue Aug  8 13:41:30 2023
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 11:41:30 -0600
Subject: Color of text of the selected tab of Tab Panel
Message-ID: <431B5ABB-9316-40C8-BFB6-FAACFFD8F769@swcp.com>


I’m developing on a Mac. In order to change the color of the text on the selected tab of a Tab Panel I had to change backgroundColor. The seems weird. (I’ve been away, so I don’t remember how this should go).

However, the .exe on Windows shows that text the same color as on the other tabs. I set other color properties except foregroundColor to a variety of colors to see if any affected the color, but that text is still black. 

I would like for it to work the same on both Windows and Mac. I do want to strengthen the emphasis for the selected tab.

If need be, I can use a different method for the extra emphasis. 

I’d like to do it in a way that doesn’t break when any bugs are fixed.

Ideas?

Dar

From andrew at midwestcoastmedia.com  Tue Aug  8 13:56:16 2023
From: andrew at midwestcoastmedia.com (Andrew at MidWest Coast Media)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 13:56:16 -0400
Subject: Consumable In App Purchases on Android
In-Reply-To: <mailman.28.1691513283.100098.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.28.1691513283.100098.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <C0D6C806-D57D-40B1-9B40-76A1EA7C5805@midwestcoastmedia.com>

If I’m consuming instantly, this is the code working in my Android/iOS project with comment lines explaining the values being passed in the Android build (note that the product ID values are more specific for Android than iOS):

	if tPlatform = "android" then 
		 put "com.midwestcoastmedia.dj3pm." into tProductIDbase 
	 else if tPlatform = "iPhone" then 
		 put EMPTY into tProductIDbase 
	end if
	put tProductIDbase & pWhichProduct into tProductID

      mobileStoreEnablePurchaseUpdates
      ## mobileStoreSetProductType "com.midwestcoastmedia.dj3pm.tip01", "inapp"
      mobileStoreSetProductType tProductID, "inapp"
      ## mobileStoreMakePurchase "com.midwestcoastmedia.dj3pm.tip01", "1", "Thanks for the buck!"
      mobileStoreMakePurchase tProductID, "1", tMessage
      ## mobileStoreConsumePurchase "com.midwestcoastmedia.dj3pm.tip01"
      mobileStoreConsumePurchase tProductID
      put the result into tCatch 

BUT you’ll also need to implement the on purchaseStateUpdate handler to completely execute the purchase cycle. The lesson is sometimes hard to follow when Android changes their branding/naming but https://lessons.livecode.com/m/4069/l/184481-how-do-i-implement-in-app-purchases-in-livecode-google-play-store <https://lessons.livecode.com/m/4069/l/184481-how-do-i-implement-in-app-purchases-in-livecode-google-play-store> has a good example of this.

—Andrew Bell
      


> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Subject: Re: Consumable In App Purchases on Android
> Message-ID:
> 	<BYAPR12MB2709417D61C6292A2ABAB3D8B90DA at BYAPR12MB2709.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
> 	
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252"
> 
> Panos,
> 
> Thank you for the reply.   Unfortunately, this isn?t working for me? maybe I?m doing something wrong?  Product ID is ?1001?.  I was able to purchase that product no problem.  If I attempt to purchase it again, I get ?alreadyEntitled?.
> 
> In a button I put:
> 
> on mouseUp
>    mobileStoreConsumePurchase 1001
>    answer the result
> end mouseUp
> 
> The result is empty (I assume that is success).  Then, I attempt to purchase 1001 and again I get ?alreadyEntitled?.
> 
> I then tried (just guessing at what I need to do as the docs are very vague on how to use it):
> 
> on mouseUp
>    mobileStoreEnablePurchaseUpdates
>    mobileStoreSetProductType 1001,"inapp"
>    mobileStoreConsumePurchase 1001
>    answer the result
> end mouseUp
> 
> Again, result is empty and an attempt to purchase 1001 again, gets ?alreadyEntitled?.
> 
> What am I doing wrong?
> 
> -Dan
> 
> 
> 
> From: use-livecode <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com> on behalf of panagiotis m via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Date: Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 9:21 AM
> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Cc: panagiotis m <merakosp at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Consumable In App Purchases on Android
> Hello Dan,
> 
> I think Google no longer differentiates between consumables and
> non-consumables when setting up the in-app product - they are both marked
> as "In-App Products?. However, in LiveCode, you have to call
> mobileStoreConsumePurchase pProductID to be able to buy the product again -
> otherwise you get a "alreadyEntitled" status.
> 
> If you do this, and still get "alreadyEntitled", then you have to ensure
> that the pProductID param passed to mobileStoreConsumePurchase indeed
> matches exactly the product id of the product you set up in the google dev
> console.
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> Kind regards,
> Panos
> 
> On Tue, 8 Aug 2023 at 01:57, Dan Friedman via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> Does anyone have any experience with consumable in-app purchases on
>> Android?   I can?t seem to figure out how to (1) create a consumable
>> product, and (2) how to consume it.   mobileStoreConsumePurchase pProductID
>> doesn?t seem to function right? I get back a result that is ?true?, but
>> attempting to purchase the same product, returns ?alreadyEntitled?.
>> 
>> The ?How do I implement in-app purchases in LiveCode - Google Play Store??
>> lesson says:  click "In-App Products? and click ?Add new product?.  From
>> there, follow the instructions to create the type of in-app purchase you
>> wish to use.
>> 
>> In Google Play Console > Monitize > In-App Products > Create Product,
>> there isn?t a place to select the type of in-app purchase.
>> 
>> Any insight or instructions you may have would be greatly appreciated!!
>> 
>> -Dan
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Aug  8 13:59:28 2023
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 17:59:28 +0000
Subject: Color of text of the selected tab of Tab Panel
In-Reply-To: <431B5ABB-9316-40C8-BFB6-FAACFFD8F769@swcp.com>
References: <431B5ABB-9316-40C8-BFB6-FAACFFD8F769@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <6ACB00F6-8087-4125-851D-7F57BC78AE4E@iotecdigital.com>

Uurgh. I ran into this. It prompted me to create my own custom tab group around the tab widget. I overlayed buttons on the tab graphics, but the tricky part was getting the buttons to resize and reposition when new tabs were added. 

Bob S


> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:41 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> I’m developing on a Mac. In order to change the color of the text on the selected tab of a Tab Panel I had to change backgroundColor. The seems weird. (I’ve been away, so I don’t remember how this should go).
> 
> However, the .exe on Windows shows that text the same color as on the other tabs. I set other color properties except foregroundColor to a variety of colors to see if any affected the color, but that text is still black. 
> 
> I would like for it to work the same on both Windows and Mac. I do want to strengthen the emphasis for the selected tab.
> 
> If need be, I can use a different method for the extra emphasis. 
> 
> I’d like to do it in a way that doesn’t break when any bugs are fixed.
> 
> Ideas?
> 
> Dar
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From dsc at swcp.com  Tue Aug  8 14:14:41 2023
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 12:14:41 -0600
Subject: Rectangles on Windows?
Message-ID: <91D44125-B408-4F17-9E25-4E132B4B8409@swcp.com>


I have some rectangles that work just fine in development on my Mac.

However, there are problems in my Windows standalone. 

Not Showing Up
Two sets of rectangles are not visible in Windows. One set is opaque and one set is not. The opaque set is made visible or not invisible with a wipe effect. Both sets have a non-zero border thickness

Showing Up
Other rectangles have opaque true, backgroundColor red, and border thickness 0. They are visible on Windows. They are also within a group. These are made visible and not visible with a same wipe effect. 




From dsc at swcp.com  Tue Aug  8 14:25:01 2023
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 12:25:01 -0600
Subject: Color of text of the selected tab of Tab Panel
In-Reply-To: <6ACB00F6-8087-4125-851D-7F57BC78AE4E@iotecdigital.com>
References: <431B5ABB-9316-40C8-BFB6-FAACFFD8F769@swcp.com>
 <6ACB00F6-8087-4125-851D-7F57BC78AE4E@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <77ECCE23-267B-418B-8670-8533B7794D3A@swcp.com>

Thanks, Bob!

I am quite open to using a different tab control.

I might make my own  or  use another designer's tab control that fits in with the run-of-the-mill GUI. Hmmm, I’ve put some time into this look and feel, but I’m willing to consider a change, so I guess I should look at even exotic tab controls. 

In the mean time, I will try to set up something safe.

Dar

> On Aug 8, 2023, at 11:59 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Uurgh. I ran into this. It prompted me to create my own custom tab group around the tab widget. I overlayed buttons on the tab graphics, but the tricky part was getting the buttons to resize and reposition when new tabs were added. 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:41 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I’m developing on a Mac. In order to change the color of the text on the selected tab of a Tab Panel I had to change backgroundColor. The seems weird. (I’ve been away, so I don’t remember how this should go).
>> 
>> However, the .exe on Windows shows that text the same color as on the other tabs. I set other color properties except foregroundColor to a variety of colors to see if any affected the color, but that text is still black. 
>> 
>> I would like for it to work the same on both Windows and Mac. I do want to strengthen the emphasis for the selected tab.
>> 
>> If need be, I can use a different method for the extra emphasis. 
>> 
>> I’d like to do it in a way that doesn’t break when any bugs are fixed.
>> 
>> Ideas?
>> 
>> Dar
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From craig at starfirelighting.com  Tue Aug  8 15:13:47 2023
From: craig at starfirelighting.com (Craig Newman)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 15:13:47 -0400
Subject: Variable Watcher disappeared
In-Reply-To: <44FF4A7B-5381-4E21-99A6-D6E03F131205@iotecdigital.com>
References: <A4DB77FB-CB62-487C-91C1-9C648AA37782@iotecdigital.com>
 <0CB5E66C-8681-4754-9418-E1E2B8183189@mail.com>
 <F83FBB64-0473-44F2-8237-95542ADC26CC@iotecdigital.com>
 <44FF4A7B-5381-4E21-99A6-D6E03F131205@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <76E6D4CF-801E-423E-9D1C-1EFA59B09E8F@starfirelighting.com>

What happens if you set the top of the SE window a bit higher than current?

I have a gadget that locates the SE on my portrait monitor on command. I could easily make its top anything I want, and I bet that would display the hidden bottom of the window.

Craig

> On Aug 8, 2023, at 1:39 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Resetting prefs fixed it. Should be a better way than starting from scratch though. 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:28 AM, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com> wrote:
>> 
>> That was a good suggestion, but alas no cookie. The entire window is visible, but the handle to resize is not visible. The handle for the handlers pane is visible, but is lower than halfway down the window, clueing me into the likelihood that something has gone horribly awry with my script editor. Quitting and relaunching does not fix it. 
>> 
>> I checked the forums and bug reports, nothing I can find. I’ll contact support I guess. 
>> 
>> Bob S
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:22 AM, Dick Kriesel via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi, Bob. The bottom pane reappears to show search results, so search for something.
>>> — Dick
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 9:28 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi all. 
>>>> 
>>>> Not sure how I did it but I can no longer see the variables while debugging. The bottom pane has disappeared and nothing I can find can get it back. Any ideas? 
>>>> 
>>>> Bob S
>>>> 
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From dan at clearvisiontech.com  Tue Aug  8 15:51:08 2023
From: dan at clearvisiontech.com (Dan Friedman)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 19:51:08 +0000
Subject: Consumable In App Purchases on Android
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR12MB2709555BCD7C872960378DB0B90DA@BYAPR12MB2709.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
References: <mailman.28.1691513283.100098.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
 <C0D6C806-D57D-40B1-9B40-76A1EA7C5805@midwestcoastmedia.com>
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Message-ID: <BYAPR12MB2709E338CDFFB345DC95F728B90DA@BYAPR12MB2709.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>

Andrew,

Thank you for the input.   The code snippet you said you are using has mobileStoreConsumePurchase IMMEDIATELY following mobileStoreMakePurchase.  Is that what you are doing?   The LC example show that mobileStoreMakePurchase should be handled in the purchaseStateUpdate message after the purchase is paymentReceived”

If that’s true, then I feel like I’m doing exactly what you are suggesting.   The purchase is fine, but the consumption if not working for me.   Here’s what I’m doing:

on startInAppPurchase numCredits
  //setup purchase id
  if numCredits = 1 then
    put 1001 into productID
    put "$0.99" into productAmount
  else if numCredits = 2 then
    put 1002 into productID
    put "$1.99" into productAmount
  else if numCredits = 3 then
    put 1003 into productID
    put "$2.99" into productAmount
  else if numCredits = 11 then
    put 1011 into productID
    put "$9.99" into productAmount
  end if

  //confirm with user
  if numCredits = 1 then
    put "Are you sure you want to purchase 1 credit for" && productAmount & "?" into pString
  else
    put "Are you sure you want to purchase" && numCredits && "credits for" && productAmount & "?" into pString
  end if
  if myAnswer(pString,"Cancel|Buy Now","Purchase Confirmation","|appBlue") = "Cancel" then //my custom answer dialog
    exit startInAppPurchase
  end if

  //initiate the purchase
  mobileStoreEnablePurchaseUpdates
  mobileStoreSetProductType productID,"inapp"
  mobileStoreMakePurchase productID,"1","testPayload - Android Only"
end startInAppPurchase

on purchaseStateUpdate pPurchaseID,pProductID,pState
  global user

  switch pState
    case "paymentReceived"
      put mobilePurchaseGet(pPurchaseID,"receipt") into rawReciptData

      //tell our server is was sucessful and log users credits to database
      if isIPhone() then
        if db_validateAppleReceipt(rawReciptData) then
          add (pProductID-1000) to user["credits"]
        end if
      else
        //will add Android database call when ready
      end if

      mobileStoreConfirmPurchase pProductID //Inform the store that the purchase identifier productID was successfully delivered
      if isAndroid() then
        mobileStoreConsumePurchase pProductID. //  <--- DOES NOT SEEM TO CONSUME THE PRODUCT !!
      end if

      mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
      loadMeUp //refresh our display
      break
    case "error"
      answer "Error occured during purchase handling:" & return & return & mobileStorePurchaseError(pPurchaseID)
      mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
      break
    case "invalidSKU"
      answer "Invalid SKU."
      mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
      break
    case "alreadyEntitled"
      answer "Already Owned."
      mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
      break
    case "restored"
      answer "restored"
     offerPurchasedProduct pProductID
      mobileStoreConfirmPurchase pProductID
      mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates

      loadMeUp //refresh our display
      break
    case "canceled"
    case "cancelled"
      answer "Purchase Cancelled:" && pProductID
      mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
      break
  end switch
end purchaseStateUpdate



Do you see anything wonky in my code?

--Dan

From: use-livecode <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com> on behalf of Andrew at MidWest Coast Media via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Date: Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 10:57 AM
To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Cc: Andrew at MidWest Coast Media <andrew at midwestcoastmedia.com>
Subject: Re: Consumable In App Purchases on Android
If I’m consuming instantly, this is the code working in my Android/iOS project with comment lines explaining the values being passed in the Android build (note that the product ID values are more specific for Android than iOS):

        if tPlatform = "android" then
                 put "com.midwestcoastmedia.dj3pm." into tProductIDbase
         else if tPlatform = "iPhone" then
                 put EMPTY into tProductIDbase
        end if
        put tProductIDbase & pWhichProduct into tProductID

      mobileStoreEnablePurchaseUpdates
      ## mobileStoreSetProductType "com.midwestcoastmedia.dj3pm.tip01", "inapp"
      mobileStoreSetProductType tProductID, "inapp"
      ## mobileStoreMakePurchase "com.midwestcoastmedia.dj3pm.tip01", "1", "Thanks for the buck!"
      mobileStoreMakePurchase tProductID, "1", tMessage
      ## mobileStoreConsumePurchase "com.midwestcoastmedia.dj3pm.tip01"
      mobileStoreConsumePurchase tProductID
      put the result into tCatch

BUT you’ll also need to implement the on purchaseStateUpdate handler to completely execute the purchase cycle. The lesson is sometimes hard to follow when Android changes their branding/naming but https://lessons.livecode.com/m/4069/l/184481-how-do-i-implement-in-app-purchases-in-livecode-google-play-store <https://lessons.livecode.com/m/4069/l/184481-how-do-i-implement-in-app-purchases-in-livecode-google-play-store> has a good example of this.

—Andrew Bell

From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Aug  8 16:04:30 2023
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 20:04:30 +0000
Subject: Variable Watcher disappeared
In-Reply-To: <76E6D4CF-801E-423E-9D1C-1EFA59B09E8F@starfirelighting.com>
References: <A4DB77FB-CB62-487C-91C1-9C648AA37782@iotecdigital.com>
 <0CB5E66C-8681-4754-9418-E1E2B8183189@mail.com>
 <F83FBB64-0473-44F2-8237-95542ADC26CC@iotecdigital.com>
 <44FF4A7B-5381-4E21-99A6-D6E03F131205@iotecdigital.com>
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Message-ID: <7347F88E-BCA8-4596-9A24-4A9E80C3368F@iotecdigital.com>

Didn’t try that. Too late now, I’m on new prefs, but if it happens again I’ll give it a try. I did drag the window to no effect, but I didn’t try resizing from the top.

Bob S


On Aug 8, 2023, at 12:13 PM, Craig Newman via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

What happens if you set the top of the SE window a bit higher than current?

I have a gadget that locates the SE on my portrait monitor on command. I could easily make its top anything I want, and I bet that would display the hidden bottom of the window.

Craig

On Aug 8, 2023, at 1:39 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com<mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:

Resetting prefs fixed it. Should be a better way than starting from scratch though.

Bob S


From marksmithhfx at gmail.com  Tue Aug  8 16:44:41 2023
From: marksmithhfx at gmail.com (Mark Smith)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 21:44:41 +0100
Subject: Variable Watcher disappeared
In-Reply-To: <7347F88E-BCA8-4596-9A24-4A9E80C3368F@iotecdigital.com>
References: <7347F88E-BCA8-4596-9A24-4A9E80C3368F@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <6764A36B-C213-4829-84E7-812E5D2DCAE2@gmail.com>

Bob, glad you were able to fix it. I wonder what caused it in the first place. Martin, an incredible list of ways to get windows back. Thanks for posting!!!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 8, 2023, at 9:05 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Didn’t try that. Too late now, I’m on new prefs, but if it happens again I’ll give it a try. I did drag the window to no effect, but I didn’t try resizing from the top.
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
> On Aug 8, 2023, at 12:13 PM, Craig Newman via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> What happens if you set the top of the SE window a bit higher than current?
> 
> I have a gadget that locates the SE on my portrait monitor on command. I could easily make its top anything I want, and I bet that would display the hidden bottom of the window.
> 
> Craig
> 
> On Aug 8, 2023, at 1:39 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com<mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
> 
> Resetting prefs fixed it. Should be a better way than starting from scratch though.
> 
> Bob S
> 
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From dsc at swcp.com  Tue Aug  8 18:45:19 2023
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 16:45:19 -0600
Subject: Unable to build for Mac: adding ad-hoc signature failed
In-Reply-To: <9EAE9EBA-219E-40F3-809A-AF9DB3636FA4@swcp.com>
References: <092054D1-2815-43AA-9869-4F67A1A545FD@swcp.com>
 <189d1f4b2b0.276f.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <791E7A1D-BB61-4C02-8D8B-F172C8C8AA88@swcp.com>
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 <189d5e89d78.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <656E739B-E786-4862-A0D0-54798D7A9CCF@swcp.com>
 <ED4B12E1-4688-4E95-B96E-143F91EBEBDB@swcp.com>
 <9EAE9EBA-219E-40F3-809A-AF9DB3636FA4@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <1668D981-FCD1-49FF-9000-443115BA0332@swcp.com>

I have a clue. I changed the build destination to a drive on my Mac. That seemed to have gotten past that error and I ran into other errors.

I guess building expects a drive on my Mac. And my Mac returns a bogus error message. 

I suggest one of these as an improvement to the build operation:

*   Complain and advise when the target is on a network drive.
*   Build the standalone in a temporary location on the local drive and then copy to the network drive when the target is on a network drive.

I got past that error, but now I am running into others. They look familiar. I think the problem is that I’m not remembering the magic steps related to saving, purging and so on. I’m not sure, since I can build for Windows. (I can probably stumble through what I did long, long ago, but might figure it out faster.) 

Suggestion:

*   I should not have to remember.

Thanks, everybody, for your help!

Dar

> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:47 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Oh, and I’m building from a network drive.
> 
> 
>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:41 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> xcode-select -p
>> /Library/Developer/CommandLineTools
>> 
>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:19 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I removed all inclusions. I opted to remove all profiles, probably none. There are no Copy Files. I’m building for Intel only. 
>>> 
>>> For PLIST I chose Chose a PLIST and then clicked Use None.
>>> 
>>> I set my bundle identifier and have not changed that among my attempts. I left all of the other Version Information as default. 
>>> 
>>> I have no Icons added.
>>> 
>>> I get the same error.
>>> 
>>> Dar
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:08 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Signing happens after the app is built and is a manual process, so yours isn't signed /notarized yet. But unsigned apps run on the development machine anyway, so I'd say you built the app successfully.
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>>> On August 8, 2023 10:47:34 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I have, but I don’t do any signing or notarizing. If that happens transparently, then it’s working for me.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Bob S
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 6:59 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks, Jacque!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> That gives me a clue. I will try to get more info on this.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> However, that note shows how to delete the offending resource using the xattr tool, but I have no app to point it to. LiveCode did not build anything.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I’m willing to try some magic values in Standalone Application Settings.
>>>>>> 	I’m using LiveCode 9.6.9, but I’m willing to upgrade.
>>>>>> 	I’m on macOS Ventura.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Has anyone successfully built a Mac application recently?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Dar
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Aug 7, 2023, at 3:43 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> This might help:
>>>>>>> <https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/qa/qa1940/_index.html>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>>> On August 7, 2023 12:49:03 PM Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I’m having trouble building an application for Mac Intel.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> The first time LiveCode crashed.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Subsequent times, I get this error:
>>>>>>>> There was an error while saving the standalone application
>>>>>>>> Adding ad-hoc signature failed with error:
>>>>>>>> /…/myProgram.app:
>>>>>>>> Replacing existing signature
>>>>>>>> /…/myProgram.app:
>>>>>>>> Resource for, Finder information, or similar detritus not
>>>>>>>> Allowed
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I tried fiddling with the PLIST settings without success.
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>>>>>>> 
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From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Tue Aug  8 19:13:15 2023
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2023 01:13:15 +0200
Subject: Unable to build for Mac: adding ad-hoc signature failed
In-Reply-To: <1668D981-FCD1-49FF-9000-443115BA0332@swcp.com>
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Hi Dar,

just a shot in the dark....

For some time now Livecode does an adhoc code signing when creating a macOS standalone. So therefore the Xcode command line tools have to be installed.
In case you have installed more than one versions of Xcode on your system, did you select in Xcode preferences the correct Xcode standalone tools that shall be used?

Regards,
Matthias


> Am 09.08.2023 um 00:45 schrieb Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> I have a clue. I changed the build destination to a drive on my Mac. That seemed to have gotten past that error and I ran into other errors.
> 
> I guess building expects a drive on my Mac. And my Mac returns a bogus error message. 
> 
> I suggest one of these as an improvement to the build operation:
> 
> *   Complain and advise when the target is on a network drive.
> *   Build the standalone in a temporary location on the local drive and then copy to the network drive when the target is on a network drive.
> 
> I got past that error, but now I am running into others. They look familiar. I think the problem is that I’m not remembering the magic steps related to saving, purging and so on. I’m not sure, since I can build for Windows. (I can probably stumble through what I did long, long ago, but might figure it out faster.) 
> 
> Suggestion:
> 
> *   I should not have to remember.
> 
> Thanks, everybody, for your help!
> 
> Dar
> 
>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:47 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Oh, and I’m building from a network drive.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:41 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> xcode-select -p
>>> /Library/Developer/CommandLineTools
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:19 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I removed all inclusions. I opted to remove all profiles, probably none. There are no Copy Files. I’m building for Intel only. 
>>>> 
>>>> For PLIST I chose Chose a PLIST and then clicked Use None.
>>>> 
>>>> I set my bundle identifier and have not changed that among my attempts. I left all of the other Version Information as default. 
>>>> 
>>>> I have no Icons added.
>>>> 
>>>> I get the same error.
>>>> 
>>>> Dar
>>>> 
>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:08 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Signing happens after the app is built and is a manual process, so yours isn't signed /notarized yet. But unsigned apps run on the development machine anyway, so I'd say you built the app successfully.
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>>>> On August 8, 2023 10:47:34 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I have, but I don’t do any signing or notarizing. If that happens transparently, then it’s working for me.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Bob S
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 6:59 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thanks, Jacque!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> That gives me a clue. I will try to get more info on this.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> However, that note shows how to delete the offending resource using the xattr tool, but I have no app to point it to. LiveCode did not build anything.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I’m willing to try some magic values in Standalone Application Settings.
>>>>>>> 	I’m using LiveCode 9.6.9, but I’m willing to upgrade.
>>>>>>> 	I’m on macOS Ventura.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Has anyone successfully built a Mac application recently?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Dar
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Aug 7, 2023, at 3:43 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> This might help:
>>>>>>>> <https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/qa/qa1940/_index.html>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>>>> On August 7, 2023 12:49:03 PM Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I’m having trouble building an application for Mac Intel.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> The first time LiveCode crashed.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Subsequent times, I get this error:
>>>>>>>>> There was an error while saving the standalone application
>>>>>>>>> Adding ad-hoc signature failed with error:
>>>>>>>>> /…/myProgram.app:
>>>>>>>>> Replacing existing signature
>>>>>>>>> /…/myProgram.app:
>>>>>>>>> Resource for, Finder information, or similar detritus not
>>>>>>>>> Allowed
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I tried fiddling with the PLIST settings without success.
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>>>>>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Aug  8 19:15:08 2023
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 23:15:08 +0000
Subject: Sorting Arrays
Message-ID: <F45E93C0-C185-4E9D-99AC-7136847CC350@iotecdigital.com>

Has anyone come across a need to sort a numbered array by the values of the different keys? Here you go. Keep in mind that there is no error checking so I have no idea what would happen if you provided a sort key that didn’t exist in the array. 

on sortNumberedArray @pArrayDataA, pSortKeys
   /*
   Provide a numbered array of key value pairs and a comma delimited list of the sort order you want. 
   Ex. "filename,version numeric descending". 
   The result will be numbered array resorted by the sort order you provide. 
   */
   put the keys of pArrayDataA into tKeyList
   sort tKeyList numeric ascending
   put the number of items of pSortKeys into tSortKeyCount
   
   -- convert the sort keys to an array
   repeat with i = the number of items of pSortKeys down to 1
      put item i of pSortKeys into tSortIndex
      
      repeat with x = the number of words of tSortIndex down to 1
         put word x of tSortIndex into tKeyWord
         
         switch 
            case tKeyWord is among the items of "asc,ascending,desc,descending"
               put tKeyWord into tSortKeysA [i] ["sortorder"] 
               break
            case tKeyWord is "International,Numeric,datetime,text,binary"
               put tKeyWord into tSortKeysA [i] ["sorttype"]
               break
            default
               put word 1 to x of tSortIndex into tSortKeysA [i] ["sortvalue"]
         end switch
      end repeat
   end repeat
   
   -- build a comma delimited list of sort keys from the passed array
   put the keys of pArrayDataA into tInputKeyList
   sort tInputKeyList numeric ascending
   repeat for each line tLine in tInputKeyList
      put the keys of tSortKeysA into tSortKeyList
      sort lines of tSortKeyList numeric
      repeat for each line tSortLine in tSortKeyList
         put tSortKeysA [tSortLine] ["sortvalue"] into tSortValue
         put pArrayDataA [tLine] [tSortValue] into item tSortLine of line tLine of tSortValueList
      end repeat
      put "," & tLine after tSortValueList 
   end repeat
   
   -- sort the list
   put the keys of tSortKeysA into tSortKeyList
   sort tSortKeyList numeric descending
   repeat for each line tKey in tSortKeyList
      put "sort lines of tSortValueList" && tSortKeysA [tKey] ["sortorder"] && tSortKeysA [tKey] ["sorttype"] && \
            "by item" && tkey && "of each" into tSortCommand
      do tSortCommand
   end repeat
   
   -- convert the list back to an array
   repeat for each line tLine in tSortValueList
      add 1 to tArrayCounter
      put item -1 of tLine into tArrayIndex
      put pArrayDataA [tArrayIndex] into tOutArrayA [tArrayCounter]
   end repeat
   
   put tOutArrayA into pArrayDataA
end sortNumberedArray

Bob S


From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Wed Aug  9 01:32:30 2023
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2023 07:32:30 +0200
Subject: Unable to build for Mac: adding ad-hoc signature failed
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Forgot my answer, i just saw your post that your error where caused because of building to a network drive.

I had similar problems btw. in the past when building to a dropbox folder or a folder that was synchronized with iCloud.

Regards,
Matthias



> Am 09.08.2023 um 01:13 schrieb matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de:
> 
> Hi Dar,
> 
> just a shot in the dark....
> 
> For some time now Livecode does an adhoc code signing when creating a macOS standalone. So therefore the Xcode command line tools have to be installed.
> In case you have installed more than one versions of Xcode on your system, did you select in Xcode preferences the correct Xcode standalone tools that shall be used?
> 
> Regards,
> Matthias
> 
> 
>> Am 09.08.2023 um 00:45 schrieb Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>> 
>> I have a clue. I changed the build destination to a drive on my Mac. That seemed to have gotten past that error and I ran into other errors.
>> 
>> I guess building expects a drive on my Mac. And my Mac returns a bogus error message. 
>> 
>> I suggest one of these as an improvement to the build operation:
>> 
>> *   Complain and advise when the target is on a network drive.
>> *   Build the standalone in a temporary location on the local drive and then copy to the network drive when the target is on a network drive.
>> 
>> I got past that error, but now I am running into others. They look familiar. I think the problem is that I’m not remembering the magic steps related to saving, purging and so on. I’m not sure, since I can build for Windows. (I can probably stumble through what I did long, long ago, but might figure it out faster.) 
>> 
>> Suggestion:
>> 
>> *   I should not have to remember.
>> 
>> Thanks, everybody, for your help!
>> 
>> Dar
>> 
>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:47 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Oh, and I’m building from a network drive.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:41 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> xcode-select -p
>>>> /Library/Developer/CommandLineTools
>>>> 
>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:19 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I removed all inclusions. I opted to remove all profiles, probably none. There are no Copy Files. I’m building for Intel only. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> For PLIST I chose Chose a PLIST and then clicked Use None.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I set my bundle identifier and have not changed that among my attempts. I left all of the other Version Information as default. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have no Icons added.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I get the same error.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Dar
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:08 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Signing happens after the app is built and is a manual process, so yours isn't signed /notarized yet. But unsigned apps run on the development machine anyway, so I'd say you built the app successfully.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>> On August 8, 2023 10:47:34 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I have, but I don’t do any signing or notarizing. If that happens transparently, then it’s working for me.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Bob S
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 6:59 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Thanks, Jacque!
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> That gives me a clue. I will try to get more info on this.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> However, that note shows how to delete the offending resource using the xattr tool, but I have no app to point it to. LiveCode did not build anything.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I’m willing to try some magic values in Standalone Application Settings.
>>>>>>>> 	I’m using LiveCode 9.6.9, but I’m willing to upgrade.
>>>>>>>> 	I’m on macOS Ventura.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Has anyone successfully built a Mac application recently?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Dar
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Aug 7, 2023, at 3:43 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> This might help:
>>>>>>>>> <https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/qa/qa1940/_index.html>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>>>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>>>>> On August 7, 2023 12:49:03 PM Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I’m having trouble building an application for Mac Intel.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> The first time LiveCode crashed.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Subsequent times, I get this error:
>>>>>>>>>> There was an error while saving the standalone application
>>>>>>>>>> Adding ad-hoc signature failed with error:
>>>>>>>>>> /…/myProgram.app:
>>>>>>>>>> Replacing existing signature
>>>>>>>>>> /…/myProgram.app:
>>>>>>>>>> Resource for, Finder information, or similar detritus not
>>>>>>>>>> Allowed
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I tried fiddling with the PLIST settings without success.
>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>>>>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>>>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>>>>>>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
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From merakosp at gmail.com  Wed Aug  9 04:04:45 2023
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis m)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2023 11:04:45 +0300
Subject: Unable to build for Mac: adding ad-hoc signature failed
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Message-ID: <CA+JfEq8AHE26-qcp8ZrLY6_NiE3_3Swo8Hj0icA3A+m2DSNOcQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Dar,

I can successfully build a Mac standalone in a network drive.

The error you are getting indicates that the app the standalone builder
tries to codesign, has some extended attributes. This is strange, because
the standalone builder does this very thing (i.e. it clears the extended
attributes) just before the codesign command.

I am wondering - do you get the same error when trying to build a
standalone from a new simple stack? Or does that happen only with a
specific stack? If the latter, does this stack contain anything in the Copy
Files?

Kind regards,
Panos

On Wed, 9 Aug 2023 at 08:33, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Forgot my answer, i just saw your post that your error where caused
> because of building to a network drive.
>
> I had similar problems btw. in the past when building to a dropbox folder
> or a folder that was synchronized with iCloud.
>
> Regards,
> Matthias
>
>
>
> > Am 09.08.2023 um 01:13 schrieb matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de:
> >
> > Hi Dar,
> >
> > just a shot in the dark....
> >
> > For some time now Livecode does an adhoc code signing when creating a
> macOS standalone. So therefore the Xcode command line tools have to be
> installed.
> > In case you have installed more than one versions of Xcode on your
> system, did you select in Xcode preferences the correct Xcode standalone
> tools that shall be used?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Matthias
> >
> >
> >> Am 09.08.2023 um 00:45 schrieb Dar Scott via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> >>
> >> I have a clue. I changed the build destination to a drive on my Mac.
> That seemed to have gotten past that error and I ran into other errors.
> >>
> >> I guess building expects a drive on my Mac. And my Mac returns a bogus
> error message.
> >>
> >> I suggest one of these as an improvement to the build operation:
> >>
> >> *   Complain and advise when the target is on a network drive.
> >> *   Build the standalone in a temporary location on the local drive and
> then copy to the network drive when the target is on a network drive.
> >>
> >> I got past that error, but now I am running into others. They look
> familiar. I think the problem is that I’m not remembering the magic steps
> related to saving, purging and so on. I’m not sure, since I can build for
> Windows. (I can probably stumble through what I did long, long ago, but
> might figure it out faster.)
> >>
> >> Suggestion:
> >>
> >> *   I should not have to remember.
> >>
> >> Thanks, everybody, for your help!
> >>
> >> Dar
> >>
> >>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:47 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Oh, and I’m building from a network drive.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:41 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> xcode-select -p
> >>>> /Library/Developer/CommandLineTools
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:19 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I removed all inclusions. I opted to remove all profiles, probably
> none. There are no Copy Files. I’m building for Intel only.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> For PLIST I chose Chose a PLIST and then clicked Use None.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I set my bundle identifier and have not changed that among my
> attempts. I left all of the other Version Information as default.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I have no Icons added.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I get the same error.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Dar
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:08 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Signing happens after the app is built and is a manual process, so
> yours isn't signed /notarized yet. But unsigned apps run on the development
> machine anyway, so I'd say you built the app successfully.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> >>>>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> >>>>>> On August 8, 2023 10:47:34 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I have, but I don’t do any signing or notarizing. If that happens
> transparently, then it’s working for me.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Bob S
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 6:59 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Thanks, Jacque!
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> That gives me a clue. I will try to get more info on this.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> However, that note shows how to delete the offending resource
> using the xattr tool, but I have no app to point it to. LiveCode did not
> build anything.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I’m willing to try some magic values in Standalone Application
> Settings.
> >>>>>>>>        I’m using LiveCode 9.6.9, but I’m willing to upgrade.
> >>>>>>>>        I’m on macOS Ventura.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Has anyone successfully built a Mac application recently?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Dar
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Aug 7, 2023, at 3:43 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> This might help:
> >>>>>>>>> <
> https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/qa/qa1940/_index.html>
> >>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> >>>>>>>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> >>>>>>>>> On August 7, 2023 12:49:03 PM Dar Scott via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I’m having trouble building an application for Mac Intel.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> The first time LiveCode crashed.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Subsequent times, I get this error:
> >>>>>>>>>> There was an error while saving the standalone application
> >>>>>>>>>> Adding ad-hoc signature failed with error:
> >>>>>>>>>> /…/myProgram.app:
> >>>>>>>>>> Replacing existing signature
> >>>>>>>>>> /…/myProgram.app:
> >>>>>>>>>> Resource for, Finder information, or similar detritus not
> >>>>>>>>>> Allowed
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I tried fiddling with the PLIST settings without success.
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From merakosp at gmail.com  Wed Aug  9 04:37:42 2023
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis m)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2023 11:37:42 +0300
Subject: Consumable In App Purchases on Android
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR12MB2709E338CDFFB345DC95F728B90DA@BYAPR12MB2709.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
References: <mailman.28.1691513283.100098.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
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Message-ID: <CA+JfEq9d7pXrAZ5t0OW+o20a=uhDkZVX0pR03Cp6jowquNxb9Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Dan,

The call to mobileStoreConfirmPurchase pProductID  causes the
purchaseStateUpdate message to be sent again with status=complete.

So I would not suggest putting the call to mobileStoreConsumePurchase
pProductID just after mobileStoreConfirmPurchase.

You could either put it in a separate button and see if it works, otherwise
add a [case "complete"] in the purchaseStateUpdate msg and there consume
the product and disable purchase updates, i.e.:

on purchaseStateUpdate pPurchaseID, pProductID, pState
   switch pState
      case "paymentReceived"
         answer "Payment received!"
         offerPurchasedProduct pProductID
         mobileStoreConfirmPurchase pProductID
         break
      case "error"
         answer "Error occured during purchase handling:" & return & return
& mobileStorePurchaseError(pPurchaseID)
         mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
         break
      case "invalidSKU"
         answer "Invalid SKU."
         mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
         break
      case "alreadyEntitled"
         answer "Already Owned."
         mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
         break
      case "restored"
         put "Restored: " & pProductID & cr after field "restored"
         offerPurchasedProduct pProductID
         mobileStoreConfirmPurchase pProductID
         break
      case "cancelled"
         answer "Purchase Cancelled:" && pProductID
         mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
         break
      case "complete"
         answer "Purchase Complete:" && pProductID
         mobileStoreConsumePurchase pProductID  // <-- ADD THIS HERE
         mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
         break
   end switch
end purchaseStateUpdate

Hope this helps.

Kind regards,
Panos
--



On Tue, 8 Aug 2023 at 22:52, Dan Friedman via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Andrew,
>
> Thank you for the input.   The code snippet you said you are using has
> mobileStoreConsumePurchase IMMEDIATELY following mobileStoreMakePurchase.
> Is that what you are doing?   The LC example show that
> mobileStoreMakePurchase should be handled in the purchaseStateUpdate
> message after the purchase is paymentReceived”
>
> If that’s true, then I feel like I’m doing exactly what you are
> suggesting.   The purchase is fine, but the consumption if not working for
> me.   Here’s what I’m doing:
>
> on startInAppPurchase numCredits
>   //setup purchase id
>   if numCredits = 1 then
>     put 1001 into productID
>     put "$0.99" into productAmount
>   else if numCredits = 2 then
>     put 1002 into productID
>     put "$1.99" into productAmount
>   else if numCredits = 3 then
>     put 1003 into productID
>     put "$2.99" into productAmount
>   else if numCredits = 11 then
>     put 1011 into productID
>     put "$9.99" into productAmount
>   end if
>
>   //confirm with user
>   if numCredits = 1 then
>     put "Are you sure you want to purchase 1 credit for" && productAmount
> & "?" into pString
>   else
>     put "Are you sure you want to purchase" && numCredits && "credits for"
> && productAmount & "?" into pString
>   end if
>   if myAnswer(pString,"Cancel|Buy Now","Purchase Confirmation","|appBlue")
> = "Cancel" then //my custom answer dialog
>     exit startInAppPurchase
>   end if
>
>   //initiate the purchase
>   mobileStoreEnablePurchaseUpdates
>   mobileStoreSetProductType productID,"inapp"
>   mobileStoreMakePurchase productID,"1","testPayload - Android Only"
> end startInAppPurchase
>
> on purchaseStateUpdate pPurchaseID,pProductID,pState
>   global user
>
>   switch pState
>     case "paymentReceived"
>       put mobilePurchaseGet(pPurchaseID,"receipt") into rawReciptData
>
>       //tell our server is was sucessful and log users credits to database
>       if isIPhone() then
>         if db_validateAppleReceipt(rawReciptData) then
>           add (pProductID-1000) to user["credits"]
>         end if
>       else
>         //will add Android database call when ready
>       end if
>
>       mobileStoreConfirmPurchase pProductID //Inform the store that the
> purchase identifier productID was successfully delivered
>       if isAndroid() then
>         mobileStoreConsumePurchase pProductID. //  <--- DOES NOT SEEM TO
> CONSUME THE PRODUCT !!
>       end if
>
>       mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
>       loadMeUp //refresh our display
>       break
>     case "error"
>       answer "Error occured during purchase handling:" & return & return &
> mobileStorePurchaseError(pPurchaseID)
>       mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
>       break
>     case "invalidSKU"
>       answer "Invalid SKU."
>       mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
>       break
>     case "alreadyEntitled"
>       answer "Already Owned."
>       mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
>       break
>     case "restored"
>       answer "restored"
>      offerPurchasedProduct pProductID
>       mobileStoreConfirmPurchase pProductID
>       mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
>
>       loadMeUp //refresh our display
>       break
>     case "canceled"
>     case "cancelled"
>       answer "Purchase Cancelled:" && pProductID
>       mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
>       break
>   end switch
> end purchaseStateUpdate
>
>
>
> Do you see anything wonky in my code?
>
> --Dan
>
> From: use-livecode <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com> on behalf of
> Andrew at MidWest Coast Media via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Date: Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 10:57 AM
> To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Cc: Andrew at MidWest Coast Media <andrew at midwestcoastmedia.com>
> Subject: Re: Consumable In App Purchases on Android
> If I’m consuming instantly, this is the code working in my Android/iOS
> project with comment lines explaining the values being passed in the
> Android build (note that the product ID values are more specific for
> Android than iOS):
>
>         if tPlatform = "android" then
>                  put "com.midwestcoastmedia.dj3pm." into tProductIDbase
>          else if tPlatform = "iPhone" then
>                  put EMPTY into tProductIDbase
>         end if
>         put tProductIDbase & pWhichProduct into tProductID
>
>       mobileStoreEnablePurchaseUpdates
>       ## mobileStoreSetProductType "com.midwestcoastmedia.dj3pm.tip01",
> "inapp"
>       mobileStoreSetProductType tProductID, "inapp"
>       ## mobileStoreMakePurchase "com.midwestcoastmedia.dj3pm.tip01", "1",
> "Thanks for the buck!"
>       mobileStoreMakePurchase tProductID, "1", tMessage
>       ## mobileStoreConsumePurchase "com.midwestcoastmedia.dj3pm.tip01"
>       mobileStoreConsumePurchase tProductID
>       put the result into tCatch
>
> BUT you’ll also need to implement the on purchaseStateUpdate handler to
> completely execute the purchase cycle. The lesson is sometimes hard to
> follow when Android changes their branding/naming but
> https://lessons.livecode.com/m/4069/l/184481-how-do-i-implement-in-app-purchases-in-livecode-google-play-store
> <
> https://lessons.livecode.com/m/4069/l/184481-how-do-i-implement-in-app-purchases-in-livecode-google-play-store>
> has a good example of this.
>
> —Andrew Bell
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From dsc at swcp.com  Wed Aug  9 07:55:21 2023
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2023 05:55:21 -0600
Subject: Unable to build for Mac: adding ad-hoc signature failed
In-Reply-To: <82E6090C-9B49-4F7E-98AF-5B6F66DD18D4@m-r-d.de>
References: <092054D1-2815-43AA-9869-4F67A1A545FD@swcp.com>
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Message-ID: <225B24AD-0BCA-4A06-90E1-53374E16FCD4@swcp.com>

I don’t know what I did. Building for Mac Intel works just fine. I’ll add my inclusions and such.

I don’t have Xcode on this system. Perhaps there are some command line tools suitable that come with macOS. 

I still feel defensive that Mac said “detritus”. ;-)

> On Aug 8, 2023, at 5:13 PM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Dar,
> 
> just a shot in the dark....
> 
> For some time now Livecode does an adhoc code signing when creating a macOS standalone. So therefore the Xcode command line tools have to be installed.
> In case you have installed more than one versions of Xcode on your system, did you select in Xcode preferences the correct Xcode standalone tools that shall be used?
> 
> Regards,
> Matthias
> 
> 
>> Am 09.08.2023 um 00:45 schrieb Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>> 
>> I have a clue. I changed the build destination to a drive on my Mac. That seemed to have gotten past that error and I ran into other errors.
>> 
>> I guess building expects a drive on my Mac. And my Mac returns a bogus error message. 
>> 
>> I suggest one of these as an improvement to the build operation:
>> 
>> *   Complain and advise when the target is on a network drive.
>> *   Build the standalone in a temporary location on the local drive and then copy to the network drive when the target is on a network drive.
>> 
>> I got past that error, but now I am running into others. They look familiar. I think the problem is that I’m not remembering the magic steps related to saving, purging and so on. I’m not sure, since I can build for Windows. (I can probably stumble through what I did long, long ago, but might figure it out faster.) 
>> 
>> Suggestion:
>> 
>> *   I should not have to remember.
>> 
>> Thanks, everybody, for your help!
>> 
>> Dar
>> 
>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:47 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Oh, and I’m building from a network drive.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:41 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> xcode-select -p
>>>> /Library/Developer/CommandLineTools
>>>> 
>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:19 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I removed all inclusions. I opted to remove all profiles, probably none. There are no Copy Files. I’m building for Intel only. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> For PLIST I chose Chose a PLIST and then clicked Use None.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I set my bundle identifier and have not changed that among my attempts. I left all of the other Version Information as default. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have no Icons added.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I get the same error.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Dar
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:08 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Signing happens after the app is built and is a manual process, so yours isn't signed /notarized yet. But unsigned apps run on the development machine anyway, so I'd say you built the app successfully.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>> On August 8, 2023 10:47:34 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I have, but I don’t do any signing or notarizing. If that happens transparently, then it’s working for me.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Bob S
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 6:59 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Thanks, Jacque!
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> That gives me a clue. I will try to get more info on this.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> However, that note shows how to delete the offending resource using the xattr tool, but I have no app to point it to. LiveCode did not build anything.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I’m willing to try some magic values in Standalone Application Settings.
>>>>>>>> 	I’m using LiveCode 9.6.9, but I’m willing to upgrade.
>>>>>>>> 	I’m on macOS Ventura.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Has anyone successfully built a Mac application recently?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Dar
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Aug 7, 2023, at 3:43 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> This might help:
>>>>>>>>> <https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/qa/qa1940/_index.html>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>>>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>>>>> On August 7, 2023 12:49:03 PM Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I’m having trouble building an application for Mac Intel.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> The first time LiveCode crashed.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Subsequent times, I get this error:
>>>>>>>>>> There was an error while saving the standalone application
>>>>>>>>>> Adding ad-hoc signature failed with error:
>>>>>>>>>> /…/myProgram.app:
>>>>>>>>>> Replacing existing signature
>>>>>>>>>> /…/myProgram.app:
>>>>>>>>>> Resource for, Finder information, or similar detritus not
>>>>>>>>>> Allowed
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I tried fiddling with the PLIST settings without success.
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>>>>>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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>>>>>>>>> 
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From dsc at swcp.com  Wed Aug  9 08:17:14 2023
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2023 06:17:14 -0600
Subject: Unable to build for Mac: adding ad-hoc signature failed
In-Reply-To: <225B24AD-0BCA-4A06-90E1-53374E16FCD4@swcp.com>
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Whoops, I sent the most recent before I saw that Panos had responded.

Panos, yes, a build to the network drive with a minimal stack has the error. This minimal stack has a name of Test, no inclusions, no copy files.

The drive provides SMB, AFP and NFS services.

Dar

> On Aug 9, 2023, at 5:55 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I don’t know what I did. Building for Mac Intel works just fine. I’ll add my inclusions and such.
> 
> I don’t have Xcode on this system. Perhaps there are some command line tools suitable that come with macOS. 
> 
> I still feel defensive that Mac said “detritus”. ;-)
> 
>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 5:13 PM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Dar,
>> 
>> just a shot in the dark....
>> 
>> For some time now Livecode does an adhoc code signing when creating a macOS standalone. So therefore the Xcode command line tools have to be installed.
>> In case you have installed more than one versions of Xcode on your system, did you select in Xcode preferences the correct Xcode standalone tools that shall be used?
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Matthias
>> 
>> 
>>> Am 09.08.2023 um 00:45 schrieb Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>> 
>>> I have a clue. I changed the build destination to a drive on my Mac. That seemed to have gotten past that error and I ran into other errors.
>>> 
>>> I guess building expects a drive on my Mac. And my Mac returns a bogus error message. 
>>> 
>>> I suggest one of these as an improvement to the build operation:
>>> 
>>> *   Complain and advise when the target is on a network drive.
>>> *   Build the standalone in a temporary location on the local drive and then copy to the network drive when the target is on a network drive.
>>> 
>>> I got past that error, but now I am running into others. They look familiar. I think the problem is that I’m not remembering the magic steps related to saving, purging and so on. I’m not sure, since I can build for Windows. (I can probably stumble through what I did long, long ago, but might figure it out faster.) 
>>> 
>>> Suggestion:
>>> 
>>> *   I should not have to remember.
>>> 
>>> Thanks, everybody, for your help!
>>> 
>>> Dar
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:47 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Oh, and I’m building from a network drive.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:41 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> xcode-select -p
>>>>> /Library/Developer/CommandLineTools
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:19 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I removed all inclusions. I opted to remove all profiles, probably none. There are no Copy Files. I’m building for Intel only. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> For PLIST I chose Chose a PLIST and then clicked Use None.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I set my bundle identifier and have not changed that among my attempts. I left all of the other Version Information as default. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I have no Icons added.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I get the same error.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Dar
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:08 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Signing happens after the app is built and is a manual process, so yours isn't signed /notarized yet. But unsigned apps run on the development machine anyway, so I'd say you built the app successfully.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>>> On August 8, 2023 10:47:34 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I have, but I don’t do any signing or notarizing. If that happens transparently, then it’s working for me.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Bob S
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 6:59 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Thanks, Jacque!
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> That gives me a clue. I will try to get more info on this.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> However, that note shows how to delete the offending resource using the xattr tool, but I have no app to point it to. LiveCode did not build anything.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I’m willing to try some magic values in Standalone Application Settings.
>>>>>>>>> 	I’m using LiveCode 9.6.9, but I’m willing to upgrade.
>>>>>>>>> 	I’m on macOS Ventura.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Has anyone successfully built a Mac application recently?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Dar
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 7, 2023, at 3:43 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> This might help:
>>>>>>>>>> <https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/qa/qa1940/_index.html>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>>>>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>>>>>> On August 7, 2023 12:49:03 PM Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I’m having trouble building an application for Mac Intel.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> The first time LiveCode crashed.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Subsequent times, I get this error:
>>>>>>>>>>> There was an error while saving the standalone application
>>>>>>>>>>> Adding ad-hoc signature failed with error:
>>>>>>>>>>> /…/myProgram.app:
>>>>>>>>>>> Replacing existing signature
>>>>>>>>>>> /…/myProgram.app:
>>>>>>>>>>> Resource for, Finder information, or similar detritus not
>>>>>>>>>>> Allowed
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I tried fiddling with the PLIST settings without success.
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>>>>>>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
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From dsc at swcp.com  Wed Aug  9 08:40:31 2023
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2023 06:40:31 -0600
Subject: Unable to build for Mac: adding ad-hoc signature failed
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I wonder. I don’t have Xcode installed on this machine. Does installing Xcode change the command-line tools? Maybe those tools that are the default work a little differently.

I’m willing to install Xcode, but before that maybe I can provide some information (such as version) about any particular tools.

Dar

> On Aug 9, 2023, at 6:17 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Whoops, I sent the most recent before I saw that Panos had responded.
> 
> Panos, yes, a build to the network drive with a minimal stack has the error. This minimal stack has a name of Test, no inclusions, no copy files.
> 
> The drive provides SMB, AFP and NFS services.
> 
> Dar
> 
>> On Aug 9, 2023, at 5:55 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I don’t know what I did. Building for Mac Intel works just fine. I’ll add my inclusions and such.
>> 
>> I don’t have Xcode on this system. Perhaps there are some command line tools suitable that come with macOS. 
>> 
>> I still feel defensive that Mac said “detritus”. ;-)
>> 
>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 5:13 PM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Dar,
>>> 
>>> just a shot in the dark....
>>> 
>>> For some time now Livecode does an adhoc code signing when creating a macOS standalone. So therefore the Xcode command line tools have to be installed.
>>> In case you have installed more than one versions of Xcode on your system, did you select in Xcode preferences the correct Xcode standalone tools that shall be used?
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Matthias
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Am 09.08.2023 um 00:45 schrieb Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>>> 
>>>> I have a clue. I changed the build destination to a drive on my Mac. That seemed to have gotten past that error and I ran into other errors.
>>>> 
>>>> I guess building expects a drive on my Mac. And my Mac returns a bogus error message. 
>>>> 
>>>> I suggest one of these as an improvement to the build operation:
>>>> 
>>>> *   Complain and advise when the target is on a network drive.
>>>> *   Build the standalone in a temporary location on the local drive and then copy to the network drive when the target is on a network drive.
>>>> 
>>>> I got past that error, but now I am running into others. They look familiar. I think the problem is that I’m not remembering the magic steps related to saving, purging and so on. I’m not sure, since I can build for Windows. (I can probably stumble through what I did long, long ago, but might figure it out faster.) 
>>>> 
>>>> Suggestion:
>>>> 
>>>> *   I should not have to remember.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks, everybody, for your help!
>>>> 
>>>> Dar
>>>> 
>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:47 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Oh, and I’m building from a network drive.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:41 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> xcode-select -p
>>>>>> /Library/Developer/CommandLineTools
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:19 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I removed all inclusions. I opted to remove all profiles, probably none. There are no Copy Files. I’m building for Intel only. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> For PLIST I chose Chose a PLIST and then clicked Use None.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I set my bundle identifier and have not changed that among my attempts. I left all of the other Version Information as default. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I have no Icons added.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I get the same error.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Dar
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:08 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Signing happens after the app is built and is a manual process, so yours isn't signed /notarized yet. But unsigned apps run on the development machine anyway, so I'd say you built the app successfully.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>>>> On August 8, 2023 10:47:34 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I have, but I don’t do any signing or notarizing. If that happens transparently, then it’s working for me.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Bob S
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 6:59 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, Jacque!
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> That gives me a clue. I will try to get more info on this.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> However, that note shows how to delete the offending resource using the xattr tool, but I have no app to point it to. LiveCode did not build anything.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I’m willing to try some magic values in Standalone Application Settings.
>>>>>>>>>> 	I’m using LiveCode 9.6.9, but I’m willing to upgrade.
>>>>>>>>>> 	I’m on macOS Ventura.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Has anyone successfully built a Mac application recently?
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Dar
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 7, 2023, at 3:43 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> This might help:
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/qa/qa1940/_index.html>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>>>>>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>>>>>>> On August 7, 2023 12:49:03 PM Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> I’m having trouble building an application for Mac Intel.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> The first time LiveCode crashed.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subsequent times, I get this error:
>>>>>>>>>>>> There was an error while saving the standalone application
>>>>>>>>>>>> Adding ad-hoc signature failed with error:
>>>>>>>>>>>> /…/myProgram.app:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Replacing existing signature
>>>>>>>>>>>> /…/myProgram.app:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Resource for, Finder information, or similar detritus not
>>>>>>>>>>>> Allowed
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> I tried fiddling with the PLIST settings without success.
>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>>>>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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>>>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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>>>>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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From marksmithhfx at gmail.com  Wed Aug  9 09:28:54 2023
From: marksmithhfx at gmail.com (Mark Smith)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2023 14:28:54 +0100
Subject: Unable to build for Mac: adding ad-hoc signature failed
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Hi Dar,

> Does installing Xcode change the command-line tools? 

I think it should. Others will correct me if I’m wrong. 

> I’m willing to install Xcode, but before that maybe I can provide some information (such as version) about any particular tools.


I don’t know if this is of any help but there is a list of LC versions and compatible/required Xcode versions here… (in the first entry on the page)

https://livecode.com/resources/support/ask-a-question/ <https://livecode.com/resources/support/ask-a-question/>

Mark


> On 9 Aug 2023, at 1:40 pm, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I wonder. I don’t have Xcode installed on this machine. Does installing Xcode change the command-line tools? Maybe those tools that are the default work a little differently.
> 
> I’m willing to install Xcode, but before that maybe I can provide some information (such as version) about any particular tools.
> 
> Dar
> 
>> On Aug 9, 2023, at 6:17 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Whoops, I sent the most recent before I saw that Panos had responded.
>> 
>> Panos, yes, a build to the network drive with a minimal stack has the error. This minimal stack has a name of Test, no inclusions, no copy files.
>> 
>> The drive provides SMB, AFP and NFS services.
>> 
>> Dar
>> 
>>> On Aug 9, 2023, at 5:55 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I don’t know what I did. Building for Mac Intel works just fine. I’ll add my inclusions and such.
>>> 
>>> I don’t have Xcode on this system. Perhaps there are some command line tools suitable that come with macOS. 
>>> 
>>> I still feel defensive that Mac said “detritus”. ;-)
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 5:13 PM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Dar,
>>>> 
>>>> just a shot in the dark....
>>>> 
>>>> For some time now Livecode does an adhoc code signing when creating a macOS standalone. So therefore the Xcode command line tools have to be installed.
>>>> In case you have installed more than one versions of Xcode on your system, did you select in Xcode preferences the correct Xcode standalone tools that shall be used?
>>>> 
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Matthias
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Am 09.08.2023 um 00:45 schrieb Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have a clue. I changed the build destination to a drive on my Mac. That seemed to have gotten past that error and I ran into other errors.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I guess building expects a drive on my Mac. And my Mac returns a bogus error message. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I suggest one of these as an improvement to the build operation:
>>>>> 
>>>>> *   Complain and advise when the target is on a network drive.
>>>>> *   Build the standalone in a temporary location on the local drive and then copy to the network drive when the target is on a network drive.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I got past that error, but now I am running into others. They look familiar. I think the problem is that I’m not remembering the magic steps related to saving, purging and so on. I’m not sure, since I can build for Windows. (I can probably stumble through what I did long, long ago, but might figure it out faster.) 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Suggestion:
>>>>> 
>>>>> *   I should not have to remember.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks, everybody, for your help!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Dar
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:47 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Oh, and I’m building from a network drive.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:41 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> xcode-select -p
>>>>>>> /Library/Developer/CommandLineTools
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:19 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I removed all inclusions. I opted to remove all profiles, probably none. There are no Copy Files. I’m building for Intel only. 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> For PLIST I chose Chose a PLIST and then clicked Use None.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I set my bundle identifier and have not changed that among my attempts. I left all of the other Version Information as default. 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I have no Icons added.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I get the same error.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Dar
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:08 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Signing happens after the app is built and is a manual process, so yours isn't signed /notarized yet. But unsigned apps run on the development machine anyway, so I'd say you built the app successfully.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>>>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>>>>> On August 8, 2023 10:47:34 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I have, but I don’t do any signing or notarizing. If that happens transparently, then it’s working for me.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Bob S
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 6:59 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, Jacque!
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> That gives me a clue. I will try to get more info on this.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> However, that note shows how to delete the offending resource using the xattr tool, but I have no app to point it to. LiveCode did not build anything.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I’m willing to try some magic values in Standalone Application Settings.
>>>>>>>>>>> 	I’m using LiveCode 9.6.9, but I’m willing to upgrade.
>>>>>>>>>>> 	I’m on macOS Ventura.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Has anyone successfully built a Mac application recently?
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Dar
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 7, 2023, at 3:43 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> This might help:
>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/qa/qa1940/_index.html>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> On August 7, 2023 12:49:03 PM Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I’m having trouble building an application for Mac Intel.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The first time LiveCode crashed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subsequent times, I get this error:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> There was an error while saving the standalone application
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Adding ad-hoc signature failed with error:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> /…/myProgram.app:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Replacing existing signature
>>>>>>>>>>>>> /…/myProgram.app:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Resource for, Finder information, or similar detritus not
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Allowed
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I tried fiddling with the PLIST settings without success.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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>>>>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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>>>>>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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>>>>> 
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From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Wed Aug  9 09:41:41 2023
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2023 15:41:41 +0200
Subject: Unable to build for Mac: adding ad-hoc signature failed
In-Reply-To: <B3210F88-8D33-4594-8166-96697AADBBAF@swcp.com>
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Message-ID: <91780F92-7AF5-4777-9AC3-436F3EABE294@m-r-d.de>

Every version of Xocde come with it own version of command line tools. 
If you are just creating macOS standalones then you just need the command line tools.
But if you are also planning to create iOS apps then you'll need the complete Xcode package.

To install just the command line tools run the following command from terminal

xcode-select --install

This should download and install the most current version of command line tools or better said, the most current version that is available for your installed macOS.

Regards,
Matthias


> Am 09.08.2023 um 14:40 schrieb Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> I wonder. I don’t have Xcode installed on this machine. Does installing Xcode change the command-line tools? Maybe those tools that are the default work a little differently.
> 
> I’m willing to install Xcode, but before that maybe I can provide some information (such as version) about any particular tools.
> 
> Dar
> 
>> On Aug 9, 2023, at 6:17 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Whoops, I sent the most recent before I saw that Panos had responded.
>> 
>> Panos, yes, a build to the network drive with a minimal stack has the error. This minimal stack has a name of Test, no inclusions, no copy files.
>> 
>> The drive provides SMB, AFP and NFS services.
>> 
>> Dar
>> 
>>> On Aug 9, 2023, at 5:55 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I don’t know what I did. Building for Mac Intel works just fine. I’ll add my inclusions and such.
>>> 
>>> I don’t have Xcode on this system. Perhaps there are some command line tools suitable that come with macOS. 
>>> 
>>> I still feel defensive that Mac said “detritus”. ;-)
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 5:13 PM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Dar,
>>>> 
>>>> just a shot in the dark....
>>>> 
>>>> For some time now Livecode does an adhoc code signing when creating a macOS standalone. So therefore the Xcode command line tools have to be installed.
>>>> In case you have installed more than one versions of Xcode on your system, did you select in Xcode preferences the correct Xcode standalone tools that shall be used?
>>>> 
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Matthias
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Am 09.08.2023 um 00:45 schrieb Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have a clue. I changed the build destination to a drive on my Mac. That seemed to have gotten past that error and I ran into other errors.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I guess building expects a drive on my Mac. And my Mac returns a bogus error message. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I suggest one of these as an improvement to the build operation:
>>>>> 
>>>>> *   Complain and advise when the target is on a network drive.
>>>>> *   Build the standalone in a temporary location on the local drive and then copy to the network drive when the target is on a network drive.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I got past that error, but now I am running into others. They look familiar. I think the problem is that I’m not remembering the magic steps related to saving, purging and so on. I’m not sure, since I can build for Windows. (I can probably stumble through what I did long, long ago, but might figure it out faster.) 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Suggestion:
>>>>> 
>>>>> *   I should not have to remember.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks, everybody, for your help!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Dar
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:47 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Oh, and I’m building from a network drive.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:41 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> xcode-select -p
>>>>>>> /Library/Developer/CommandLineTools
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:19 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I removed all inclusions. I opted to remove all profiles, probably none. There are no Copy Files. I’m building for Intel only. 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> For PLIST I chose Chose a PLIST and then clicked Use None.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I set my bundle identifier and have not changed that among my attempts. I left all of the other Version Information as default. 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I have no Icons added.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I get the same error.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Dar
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:08 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Signing happens after the app is built and is a manual process, so yours isn't signed /notarized yet. But unsigned apps run on the development machine anyway, so I'd say you built the app successfully.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>>>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>>>>> On August 8, 2023 10:47:34 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I have, but I don’t do any signing or notarizing. If that happens transparently, then it’s working for me.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Bob S
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 6:59 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, Jacque!
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> That gives me a clue. I will try to get more info on this.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> However, that note shows how to delete the offending resource using the xattr tool, but I have no app to point it to. LiveCode did not build anything.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I’m willing to try some magic values in Standalone Application Settings.
>>>>>>>>>>> 	I’m using LiveCode 9.6.9, but I’m willing to upgrade.
>>>>>>>>>>> 	I’m on macOS Ventura.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Has anyone successfully built a Mac application recently?
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Dar
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 7, 2023, at 3:43 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> This might help:
>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/qa/qa1940/_index.html>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> On August 7, 2023 12:49:03 PM Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I’m having trouble building an application for Mac Intel.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The first time LiveCode crashed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subsequent times, I get this error:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> There was an error while saving the standalone application
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Adding ad-hoc signature failed with error:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> /…/myProgram.app:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Replacing existing signature
>>>>>>>>>>>>> /…/myProgram.app:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Resource for, Finder information, or similar detritus not
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Allowed
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I tried fiddling with the PLIST settings without success.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>>>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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>>>>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>>>>>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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>>>>>> 
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>>>>> 
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From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Wed Aug  9 09:46:35 2023
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2023 15:46:35 +0200
Subject: Unable to build for Mac: adding ad-hoc signature failed
In-Reply-To: <91780F92-7AF5-4777-9AC3-436F3EABE294@m-r-d.de>
References: <092054D1-2815-43AA-9869-4F67A1A545FD@swcp.com>
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Message-ID: <73364263-B19C-4F1D-9984-7572C833998C@m-r-d.de>

And like the links says that Mark posted.

For iOS standalones every Livecode version supports a special Xcode version according to the installed macOS.
You'll find the information which works for your installed LC version also in the release notes of your LC version.
You'll find the release notes under the Help menu in LC.



> Am 09.08.2023 um 15:41 schrieb matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de:
> 
> Every version of Xocde come with it own version of command line tools. 
> If you are just creating macOS standalones then you just need the command line tools.
> But if you are also planning to create iOS apps then you'll need the complete Xcode package.
> 
> To install just the command line tools run the following command from terminal
> 
> xcode-select --install
> 
> This should download and install the most current version of command line tools or better said, the most current version that is available for your installed macOS.
> 
> Regards,
> Matthias
> 
> 
>> Am 09.08.2023 um 14:40 schrieb Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>> 
>> I wonder. I don’t have Xcode installed on this machine. Does installing Xcode change the command-line tools? Maybe those tools that are the default work a little differently.
>> 
>> I’m willing to install Xcode, but before that maybe I can provide some information (such as version) about any particular tools.
>> 
>> Dar
>> 
>>> On Aug 9, 2023, at 6:17 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Whoops, I sent the most recent before I saw that Panos had responded.
>>> 
>>> Panos, yes, a build to the network drive with a minimal stack has the error. This minimal stack has a name of Test, no inclusions, no copy files.
>>> 
>>> The drive provides SMB, AFP and NFS services.
>>> 
>>> Dar
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 9, 2023, at 5:55 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I don’t know what I did. Building for Mac Intel works just fine. I’ll add my inclusions and such.
>>>> 
>>>> I don’t have Xcode on this system. Perhaps there are some command line tools suitable that come with macOS. 
>>>> 
>>>> I still feel defensive that Mac said “detritus”. ;-)
>>>> 
>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 5:13 PM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Dar,
>>>>> 
>>>>> just a shot in the dark....
>>>>> 
>>>>> For some time now Livecode does an adhoc code signing when creating a macOS standalone. So therefore the Xcode command line tools have to be installed.
>>>>> In case you have installed more than one versions of Xcode on your system, did you select in Xcode preferences the correct Xcode standalone tools that shall be used?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Matthias
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Am 09.08.2023 um 00:45 schrieb Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I have a clue. I changed the build destination to a drive on my Mac. That seemed to have gotten past that error and I ran into other errors.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I guess building expects a drive on my Mac. And my Mac returns a bogus error message. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I suggest one of these as an improvement to the build operation:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> *   Complain and advise when the target is on a network drive.
>>>>>> *   Build the standalone in a temporary location on the local drive and then copy to the network drive when the target is on a network drive.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I got past that error, but now I am running into others. They look familiar. I think the problem is that I’m not remembering the magic steps related to saving, purging and so on. I’m not sure, since I can build for Windows. (I can probably stumble through what I did long, long ago, but might figure it out faster.) 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Suggestion:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> *   I should not have to remember.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks, everybody, for your help!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Dar
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:47 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Oh, and I’m building from a network drive.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:41 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> xcode-select -p
>>>>>>>> /Library/Developer/CommandLineTools
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:19 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I removed all inclusions. I opted to remove all profiles, probably none. There are no Copy Files. I’m building for Intel only. 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> For PLIST I chose Chose a PLIST and then clicked Use None.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I set my bundle identifier and have not changed that among my attempts. I left all of the other Version Information as default. 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I have no Icons added.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I get the same error.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Dar
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:08 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Signing happens after the app is built and is a manual process, so yours isn't signed /notarized yet. But unsigned apps run on the development machine anyway, so I'd say you built the app successfully.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>>>>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>>>>>> On August 8, 2023 10:47:34 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I have, but I don’t do any signing or notarizing. If that happens transparently, then it’s working for me.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Bob S
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 6:59 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, Jacque!
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> That gives me a clue. I will try to get more info on this.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> However, that note shows how to delete the offending resource using the xattr tool, but I have no app to point it to. LiveCode did not build anything.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> I’m willing to try some magic values in Standalone Application Settings.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 	I’m using LiveCode 9.6.9, but I’m willing to upgrade.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 	I’m on macOS Ventura.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Has anyone successfully built a Mac application recently?
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Dar
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 7, 2023, at 3:43 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> This might help:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/qa/qa1940/_index.html>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On August 7, 2023 12:49:03 PM Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I’m having trouble building an application for Mac Intel.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The first time LiveCode crashed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subsequent times, I get this error:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There was an error while saving the standalone application
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Adding ad-hoc signature failed with error:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /…/myProgram.app:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Replacing existing signature
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /…/myProgram.app:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Resource for, Finder information, or similar detritus not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Allowed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I tried fiddling with the PLIST settings without success.
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From marksmithhfx at gmail.com  Wed Aug  9 10:07:41 2023
From: marksmithhfx at gmail.com (Mark Smith)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2023 15:07:41 +0100
Subject: Unable to build for Mac: adding ad-hoc signature failed
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Very useful info Matthias. Thanks for posting.

Mark

> On 9 Aug 2023, at 2:41 pm, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Every version of Xocde come with it own version of command line tools. 
> If you are just creating macOS standalones then you just need the command line tools.
> But if you are also planning to create iOS apps then you'll need the complete Xcode package.
> 
> To install just the command line tools run the following command from terminal
> 
> xcode-select --install
> 
> This should download and install the most current version of command line tools or better said, the most current version that is available for your installed macOS.
> 
> Regards,
> Matthias
> 
> 
>> Am 09.08.2023 um 14:40 schrieb Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>> 
>> I wonder. I don’t have Xcode installed on this machine. Does installing Xcode change the command-line tools? Maybe those tools that are the default work a little differently.
>> 
>> I’m willing to install Xcode, but before that maybe I can provide some information (such as version) about any particular tools.
>> 
>> Dar
>> 
>>> On Aug 9, 2023, at 6:17 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Whoops, I sent the most recent before I saw that Panos had responded.
>>> 
>>> Panos, yes, a build to the network drive with a minimal stack has the error. This minimal stack has a name of Test, no inclusions, no copy files.
>>> 
>>> The drive provides SMB, AFP and NFS services.
>>> 
>>> Dar
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 9, 2023, at 5:55 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I don’t know what I did. Building for Mac Intel works just fine. I’ll add my inclusions and such.
>>>> 
>>>> I don’t have Xcode on this system. Perhaps there are some command line tools suitable that come with macOS. 
>>>> 
>>>> I still feel defensive that Mac said “detritus”. ;-)
>>>> 
>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 5:13 PM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Dar,
>>>>> 
>>>>> just a shot in the dark....
>>>>> 
>>>>> For some time now Livecode does an adhoc code signing when creating a macOS standalone. So therefore the Xcode command line tools have to be installed.
>>>>> In case you have installed more than one versions of Xcode on your system, did you select in Xcode preferences the correct Xcode standalone tools that shall be used?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Matthias
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Am 09.08.2023 um 00:45 schrieb Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I have a clue. I changed the build destination to a drive on my Mac. That seemed to have gotten past that error and I ran into other errors.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I guess building expects a drive on my Mac. And my Mac returns a bogus error message. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I suggest one of these as an improvement to the build operation:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> *   Complain and advise when the target is on a network drive.
>>>>>> *   Build the standalone in a temporary location on the local drive and then copy to the network drive when the target is on a network drive.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I got past that error, but now I am running into others. They look familiar. I think the problem is that I’m not remembering the magic steps related to saving, purging and so on. I’m not sure, since I can build for Windows. (I can probably stumble through what I did long, long ago, but might figure it out faster.) 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Suggestion:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> *   I should not have to remember.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks, everybody, for your help!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Dar
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:47 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Oh, and I’m building from a network drive.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:41 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> xcode-select -p
>>>>>>>> /Library/Developer/CommandLineTools
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:19 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I removed all inclusions. I opted to remove all profiles, probably none. There are no Copy Files. I’m building for Intel only. 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> For PLIST I chose Chose a PLIST and then clicked Use None.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I set my bundle identifier and have not changed that among my attempts. I left all of the other Version Information as default. 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I have no Icons added.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I get the same error.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Dar
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:08 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Signing happens after the app is built and is a manual process, so yours isn't signed /notarized yet. But unsigned apps run on the development machine anyway, so I'd say you built the app successfully.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>>>>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>>>>>> On August 8, 2023 10:47:34 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I have, but I don’t do any signing or notarizing. If that happens transparently, then it’s working for me.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Bob S
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 6:59 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, Jacque!
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> That gives me a clue. I will try to get more info on this.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> However, that note shows how to delete the offending resource using the xattr tool, but I have no app to point it to. LiveCode did not build anything.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> I’m willing to try some magic values in Standalone Application Settings.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 	I’m using LiveCode 9.6.9, but I’m willing to upgrade.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 	I’m on macOS Ventura.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Has anyone successfully built a Mac application recently?
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Dar
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 7, 2023, at 3:43 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> This might help:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/qa/qa1940/_index.html>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On August 7, 2023 12:49:03 PM Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I’m having trouble building an application for Mac Intel.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The first time LiveCode crashed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subsequent times, I get this error:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There was an error while saving the standalone application
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Adding ad-hoc signature failed with error:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /…/myProgram.app:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Replacing existing signature
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /…/myProgram.app:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Resource for, Finder information, or similar detritus not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Allowed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I tried fiddling with the PLIST settings without success.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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From merakosp at gmail.com  Wed Aug  9 10:49:57 2023
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis m)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2023 17:49:57 +0300
Subject: Consumable In App Purchases on Android
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Hello all,

Also, it might be worth trying this as well - add a new button with this
code:

on mouseUp
   mobileStoreEnablePurchaseUpdates
   mobileStoreRestorePurchases
end mouseUp

Then press the button, and *then* call mobileStoreConsumePurchase pProductID .
Hopefully now it should be properly consumed, and you should be able to buy
it (and consume it) again.

Cheers,
Panos
--

On Wed, 9 Aug 2023 at 11:37, panagiotis m <merakosp at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello Dan,
>
> The call to mobileStoreConfirmPurchase pProductID  causes the
> purchaseStateUpdate message to be sent again with status=complete.
>
> So I would not suggest putting the call to mobileStoreConsumePurchase
> pProductID just after mobileStoreConfirmPurchase.
>
> You could either put it in a separate button and see if it works,
> otherwise add a [case "complete"] in the purchaseStateUpdate msg and there
> consume the product and disable purchase updates, i.e.:
>
> on purchaseStateUpdate pPurchaseID, pProductID, pState
>    switch pState
>       case "paymentReceived"
>          answer "Payment received!"
>          offerPurchasedProduct pProductID
>          mobileStoreConfirmPurchase pProductID
>          break
>       case "error"
>          answer "Error occured during purchase handling:" & return &
> return & mobileStorePurchaseError(pPurchaseID)
>          mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
>          break
>       case "invalidSKU"
>          answer "Invalid SKU."
>          mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
>          break
>       case "alreadyEntitled"
>          answer "Already Owned."
>          mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
>          break
>       case "restored"
>          put "Restored: " & pProductID & cr after field "restored"
>          offerPurchasedProduct pProductID
>          mobileStoreConfirmPurchase pProductID
>          break
>       case "cancelled"
>          answer "Purchase Cancelled:" && pProductID
>          mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
>          break
>       case "complete"
>          answer "Purchase Complete:" && pProductID
>          mobileStoreConsumePurchase pProductID  // <-- ADD THIS HERE
>          mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
>          break
>    end switch
> end purchaseStateUpdate
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Kind regards,
> Panos
> --
>
>
>
> On Tue, 8 Aug 2023 at 22:52, Dan Friedman via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> Andrew,
>>
>> Thank you for the input.   The code snippet you said you are using has
>> mobileStoreConsumePurchase IMMEDIATELY following mobileStoreMakePurchase.
>> Is that what you are doing?   The LC example show that
>> mobileStoreMakePurchase should be handled in the purchaseStateUpdate
>> message after the purchase is paymentReceived”
>>
>> If that’s true, then I feel like I’m doing exactly what you are
>> suggesting.   The purchase is fine, but the consumption if not working for
>> me.   Here’s what I’m doing:
>>
>> on startInAppPurchase numCredits
>>   //setup purchase id
>>   if numCredits = 1 then
>>     put 1001 into productID
>>     put "$0.99" into productAmount
>>   else if numCredits = 2 then
>>     put 1002 into productID
>>     put "$1.99" into productAmount
>>   else if numCredits = 3 then
>>     put 1003 into productID
>>     put "$2.99" into productAmount
>>   else if numCredits = 11 then
>>     put 1011 into productID
>>     put "$9.99" into productAmount
>>   end if
>>
>>   //confirm with user
>>   if numCredits = 1 then
>>     put "Are you sure you want to purchase 1 credit for" && productAmount
>> & "?" into pString
>>   else
>>     put "Are you sure you want to purchase" && numCredits && "credits
>> for" && productAmount & "?" into pString
>>   end if
>>   if myAnswer(pString,"Cancel|Buy Now","Purchase
>> Confirmation","|appBlue") = "Cancel" then //my custom answer dialog
>>     exit startInAppPurchase
>>   end if
>>
>>   //initiate the purchase
>>   mobileStoreEnablePurchaseUpdates
>>   mobileStoreSetProductType productID,"inapp"
>>   mobileStoreMakePurchase productID,"1","testPayload - Android Only"
>> end startInAppPurchase
>>
>> on purchaseStateUpdate pPurchaseID,pProductID,pState
>>   global user
>>
>>   switch pState
>>     case "paymentReceived"
>>       put mobilePurchaseGet(pPurchaseID,"receipt") into rawReciptData
>>
>>       //tell our server is was sucessful and log users credits to database
>>       if isIPhone() then
>>         if db_validateAppleReceipt(rawReciptData) then
>>           add (pProductID-1000) to user["credits"]
>>         end if
>>       else
>>         //will add Android database call when ready
>>       end if
>>
>>       mobileStoreConfirmPurchase pProductID //Inform the store that the
>> purchase identifier productID was successfully delivered
>>       if isAndroid() then
>>         mobileStoreConsumePurchase pProductID. //  <--- DOES NOT SEEM TO
>> CONSUME THE PRODUCT !!
>>       end if
>>
>>       mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
>>       loadMeUp //refresh our display
>>       break
>>     case "error"
>>       answer "Error occured during purchase handling:" & return & return
>> & mobileStorePurchaseError(pPurchaseID)
>>       mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
>>       break
>>     case "invalidSKU"
>>       answer "Invalid SKU."
>>       mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
>>       break
>>     case "alreadyEntitled"
>>       answer "Already Owned."
>>       mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
>>       break
>>     case "restored"
>>       answer "restored"
>>      offerPurchasedProduct pProductID
>>       mobileStoreConfirmPurchase pProductID
>>       mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
>>
>>       loadMeUp //refresh our display
>>       break
>>     case "canceled"
>>     case "cancelled"
>>       answer "Purchase Cancelled:" && pProductID
>>       mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
>>       break
>>   end switch
>> end purchaseStateUpdate
>>
>>
>>
>> Do you see anything wonky in my code?
>>
>> --Dan
>>
>> From: use-livecode <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com> on behalf of
>> Andrew at MidWest Coast Media via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
>> Date: Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 10:57 AM
>> To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
>> Cc: Andrew at MidWest Coast Media <andrew at midwestcoastmedia.com>
>> Subject: Re: Consumable In App Purchases on Android
>> If I’m consuming instantly, this is the code working in my Android/iOS
>> project with comment lines explaining the values being passed in the
>> Android build (note that the product ID values are more specific for
>> Android than iOS):
>>
>>         if tPlatform = "android" then
>>                  put "com.midwestcoastmedia.dj3pm." into tProductIDbase
>>          else if tPlatform = "iPhone" then
>>                  put EMPTY into tProductIDbase
>>         end if
>>         put tProductIDbase & pWhichProduct into tProductID
>>
>>       mobileStoreEnablePurchaseUpdates
>>       ## mobileStoreSetProductType "com.midwestcoastmedia.dj3pm.tip01",
>> "inapp"
>>       mobileStoreSetProductType tProductID, "inapp"
>>       ## mobileStoreMakePurchase "com.midwestcoastmedia.dj3pm.tip01",
>> "1", "Thanks for the buck!"
>>       mobileStoreMakePurchase tProductID, "1", tMessage
>>       ## mobileStoreConsumePurchase "com.midwestcoastmedia.dj3pm.tip01"
>>       mobileStoreConsumePurchase tProductID
>>       put the result into tCatch
>>
>> BUT you’ll also need to implement the on purchaseStateUpdate handler to
>> completely execute the purchase cycle. The lesson is sometimes hard to
>> follow when Android changes their branding/naming but
>> https://lessons.livecode.com/m/4069/l/184481-how-do-i-implement-in-app-purchases-in-livecode-google-play-store
>> <
>> https://lessons.livecode.com/m/4069/l/184481-how-do-i-implement-in-app-purchases-in-livecode-google-play-store>
>> has a good example of this.
>>
>> —Andrew Bell
>> _______________________________________________
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>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
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From gcanyon at gmail.com  Wed Aug  9 11:23:31 2023
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2023 08:23:31 -0700
Subject: Variable Watcher disappeared
In-Reply-To: <2E7C61D6-01E0-4AB0-8DD0-6EDEF268C6B6@rogers.com>
References: <A4DB77FB-CB62-487C-91C1-9C648AA37782@iotecdigital.com>
 <2E7C61D6-01E0-4AB0-8DD0-6EDEF268C6B6@rogers.com>
Message-ID: <CAKCLKtq1jXs0O6tH0q7bEHZW97YDEHyTu8+rjsgPvnUV3EXX-w@mail.gmail.com>

You can also accomplish most of this by right-clicking a stack in
Navigator, and selecting Go > Show on the popup menu. That centers the
stack on screen and shows it. It's meant to be guaranteed, so if there are
other steps to take to ensure a stack presents itself, I'm happy to add
them.

On Tue, Aug 8, 2023 at 10:19 AM Martin Koob via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi Bob
>
> So you can see the Script Editor but you can’t see the variables pane at
> the bottom?
>
> There is a drag handle at the bottom of the Script Editor pane to resize
> it.   Maybe you accidentally dragged that to the bottom hiding the variable
> pane at the bottom.
>
> Even if you did that you should still see the tabs for ‘Errors’;
> ‘Variables’; ‘Documentation’; ‘Breakpoints’; ’Search Results’.
>
> You should be able to drag the Drag handle up to reveal the bottom pane.
>
>
> The following doesn’t probably apply to you if your Script Editor Stack is
> open and visible.
>
> You probably know this but another thing that happens to me is that some
> of the LiveCode stacks disappear randomly.
>
> One thing that happens is that they somehow get moved offscreen.
>
> To get them back I first check if they are there by typing the following
> into the message box.
>
> put the openstacks
>
> That should result in a list like this.
>
> Message Box
> My Demo Stack
> revInspector
> revTools
> revNewScriptEditor 1
> revDictionary
> revMenuBar
> Improve LiveCode Handler Finder
> com.livecode.palette.autocomplete.completions
>
> If you see the stack in the list that you are looking for you can relocate
> it back to the screen by setting its location to something that will be on
> your display by entering the following in the message box.
> set the topleft of stack "revtools" to 100,100
>
>
>
>
>
> Two other reasons stacks disappear is that they become hidden or closed.
>
>
>
> If the stack is closed then enter the following in the message box
>
> open stack “revtools
>
>
>
> If the stack is open but hidden enter
>
> show stack “revtools”
>
> If it is your message box that you can’t find then there is nothing you
> can do….
>
>
> … Just kidding.  ;-)
>
> Just type command key + M to show the message box.
>
>
> Bob, I am sure this is covering things you already know  but just in case
> there others in future are looking for this I added the other cases where
> your LiveCode IDE stacks disappear.
>
> BTW I am using LC 9.6.9 on a M1 Max Mac running Ventura 13.41
>
> Martin
>
> > On Aug 8, 2023, at 12:28 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all.
> >
> > Not sure how I did it but I can no longer see the variables while
> debugging. The bottom pane has disappeared and nothing I can find can get
> it back. Any ideas?
> >
> > Bob S
> >
> >
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From dan at clearvisiontech.com  Wed Aug  9 15:27:51 2023
From: dan at clearvisiontech.com (Dan Friedman)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2023 19:27:51 +0000
Subject: Consumable In App Purchases on Android
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq9TvOB0W081OkvyGJQW-115xJM1d=x=A1nRAHdCuDK++A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.28.1691513283.100098.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
 <C0D6C806-D57D-40B1-9B40-76A1EA7C5805@midwestcoastmedia.com>
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Panos and others…

First, thank you for your assistance and advise with this.   Panos’ suggestions were spot on!    Restoring the purchases, then calling mobileStoreConsumePurchase worked for consumption.   And, adding a “complete” case to purchaseStateUpdate and handeling the mobilePurchaseGet() as well as the mobileStoreConsumePurchase worked beautifully.   A couple of follow up questions…

1 - Does the “complete” case get returned with the Apple Store as well?
2 – Is there a way to get the purchase token from mobilePurchaseGet() on Android?   The “transactionIdentifier” returns the order number, not the purchase token.  The purchase token is needed to verify the purchase server side.

Lastly, it would be terrific if the lesson on the LC website was updated to these options/methods.   It might save the next guy some grief.

-Dan


From: use-livecode <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com> on behalf of panagiotis m via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Date: Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 7:51 AM
To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Cc: panagiotis m <merakosp at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Consumable In App Purchases on Android
Hello all,

Also, it might be worth trying this as well - add a new button with this
code:

on mouseUp
   mobileStoreEnablePurchaseUpdates
   mobileStoreRestorePurchases
end mouseUp

Then press the button, and *then* call mobileStoreConsumePurchase pProductID .
Hopefully now it should be properly consumed, and you should be able to buy
it (and consume it) again.

Cheers,
Panos
--

On Wed, 9 Aug 2023 at 11:37, panagiotis m <merakosp at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello Dan,
>
> The call to mobileStoreConfirmPurchase pProductID  causes the
> purchaseStateUpdate message to be sent again with status=complete.
>
> So I would not suggest putting the call to mobileStoreConsumePurchase
> pProductID just after mobileStoreConfirmPurchase.
>
> You could either put it in a separate button and see if it works,
> otherwise add a [case "complete"] in the purchaseStateUpdate msg and there
> consume the product and disable purchase updates, i.e.:
>
> on purchaseStateUpdate pPurchaseID, pProductID, pState
>    switch pState
>       case "paymentReceived"
>          answer "Payment received!"
>          offerPurchasedProduct pProductID
>          mobileStoreConfirmPurchase pProductID
>          break
>       case "error"
>          answer "Error occured during purchase handling:" & return &
> return & mobileStorePurchaseError(pPurchaseID)
>          mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
>          break
>       case "invalidSKU"
>          answer "Invalid SKU."
>          mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
>          break
>       case "alreadyEntitled"
>          answer "Already Owned."
>          mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
>          break
>       case "restored"
>          put "Restored: " & pProductID & cr after field "restored"
>          offerPurchasedProduct pProductID
>          mobileStoreConfirmPurchase pProductID
>          break
>       case "cancelled"
>          answer "Purchase Cancelled:" && pProductID
>          mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
>          break
>       case "complete"
>          answer "Purchase Complete:" && pProductID
>          mobileStoreConsumePurchase pProductID  // <-- ADD THIS HERE
>          mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
>          break
>    end switch
> end purchaseStateUpdate
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Kind regards,
> Panos
> --
>
>
>
> On Tue, 8 Aug 2023 at 22:52, Dan Friedman via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> Andrew,
>>
>> Thank you for the input.   The code snippet you said you are using has
>> mobileStoreConsumePurchase IMMEDIATELY following mobileStoreMakePurchase.
>> Is that what you are doing?   The LC example show that
>> mobileStoreMakePurchase should be handled in the purchaseStateUpdate
>> message after the purchase is paymentReceived”
>>
>> If that’s true, then I feel like I’m doing exactly what you are
>> suggesting.   The purchase is fine, but the consumption if not working for
>> me.   Here’s what I’m doing:
>>
>> on startInAppPurchase numCredits
>>   //setup purchase id
>>   if numCredits = 1 then
>>     put 1001 into productID
>>     put "$0.99" into productAmount
>>   else if numCredits = 2 then
>>     put 1002 into productID
>>     put "$1.99" into productAmount
>>   else if numCredits = 3 then
>>     put 1003 into productID
>>     put "$2.99" into productAmount
>>   else if numCredits = 11 then
>>     put 1011 into productID
>>     put "$9.99" into productAmount
>>   end if
>>
>>   //confirm with user
>>   if numCredits = 1 then
>>     put "Are you sure you want to purchase 1 credit for" && productAmount
>> & "?" into pString
>>   else
>>     put "Are you sure you want to purchase" && numCredits && "credits
>> for" && productAmount & "?" into pString
>>   end if
>>   if myAnswer(pString,"Cancel|Buy Now","Purchase
>> Confirmation","|appBlue") = "Cancel" then //my custom answer dialog
>>     exit startInAppPurchase
>>   end if
>>
>>   //initiate the purchase
>>   mobileStoreEnablePurchaseUpdates
>>   mobileStoreSetProductType productID,"inapp"
>>   mobileStoreMakePurchase productID,"1","testPayload - Android Only"
>> end startInAppPurchase
>>
>> on purchaseStateUpdate pPurchaseID,pProductID,pState
>>   global user
>>
>>   switch pState
>>     case "paymentReceived"
>>       put mobilePurchaseGet(pPurchaseID,"receipt") into rawReciptData
>>
>>       //tell our server is was sucessful and log users credits to database
>>       if isIPhone() then
>>         if db_validateAppleReceipt(rawReciptData) then
>>           add (pProductID-1000) to user["credits"]
>>         end if
>>       else
>>         //will add Android database call when ready
>>       end if
>>
>>       mobileStoreConfirmPurchase pProductID //Inform the store that the
>> purchase identifier productID was successfully delivered
>>       if isAndroid() then
>>         mobileStoreConsumePurchase pProductID. //  <--- DOES NOT SEEM TO
>> CONSUME THE PRODUCT !!
>>       end if
>>
>>       mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
>>       loadMeUp //refresh our display
>>       break
>>     case "error"
>>       answer "Error occured during purchase handling:" & return & return
>> & mobileStorePurchaseError(pPurchaseID)
>>       mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
>>       break
>>     case "invalidSKU"
>>       answer "Invalid SKU."
>>       mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
>>       break
>>     case "alreadyEntitled"
>>       answer "Already Owned."
>>       mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
>>       break
>>     case "restored"
>>       answer "restored"
>>      offerPurchasedProduct pProductID
>>       mobileStoreConfirmPurchase pProductID
>>       mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
>>
>>       loadMeUp //refresh our display
>>       break
>>     case "canceled"
>>     case "cancelled"
>>       answer "Purchase Cancelled:" && pProductID
>>       mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
>>       break
>>   end switch
>> end purchaseStateUpdate
>>
>>
>>
>> Do you see anything wonky in my code?
>>
>> --Dan
>>
>> From: use-livecode <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com> on behalf of
>> Andrew at MidWest Coast Media via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
>> Date: Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 10:57 AM
>> To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
>> Cc: Andrew at MidWest Coast Media <andrew at midwestcoastmedia.com>
>> Subject: Re: Consumable In App Purchases on Android
>> If I’m consuming instantly, this is the code working in my Android/iOS
>> project with comment lines explaining the values being passed in the
>> Android build (note that the product ID values are more specific for
>> Android than iOS):
>>
>>         if tPlatform = "android" then
>>                  put "com.midwestcoastmedia.dj3pm." into tProductIDbase
>>          else if tPlatform = "iPhone" then
>>                  put EMPTY into tProductIDbase
>>         end if
>>         put tProductIDbase & pWhichProduct into tProductID
>>
>>       mobileStoreEnablePurchaseUpdates
>>       ## mobileStoreSetProductType "com.midwestcoastmedia.dj3pm.tip01",
>> "inapp"
>>       mobileStoreSetProductType tProductID, "inapp"
>>       ## mobileStoreMakePurchase "com.midwestcoastmedia.dj3pm.tip01",
>> "1", "Thanks for the buck!"
>>       mobileStoreMakePurchase tProductID, "1", tMessage
>>       ## mobileStoreConsumePurchase "com.midwestcoastmedia.dj3pm.tip01"
>>       mobileStoreConsumePurchase tProductID
>>       put the result into tCatch
>>
>> BUT you’ll also need to implement the on purchaseStateUpdate handler to
>> completely execute the purchase cycle. The lesson is sometimes hard to
>> follow when Android changes their branding/naming but
>> https://lessons.livecode.com/m/4069/l/184481-how-do-i-implement-in-app-purchases-in-livecode-google-play-store
>> <
>> https://lessons.livecode.com/m/4069/l/184481-how-do-i-implement-in-app-purchases-in-livecode-google-play-store><https://lessons.livecode.com/m/4069/l/184481-how-do-i-implement-in-app-purchases-in-livecode-google-play-store%3e>
>> has a good example of this.
>>
>> —Andrew Bell
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>
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From merakosp at gmail.com  Wed Aug  9 15:44:59 2023
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis m)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2023 22:44:59 +0300
Subject: Consumable In App Purchases on Android
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References: <mailman.28.1691513283.100098.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
 <C0D6C806-D57D-40B1-9B40-76A1EA7C5805@midwestcoastmedia.com>
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Hello Dan,

Thanks for the update.

RE 1, I *think* yes, but I would suggest you double check this anyway.

RE 2, I would suggest not using mobilePurchaseGet(). This function is from
the older API for in-app purchases, and we have kept it for backwards
compatibility. I suggest using mobileStoreProductProperty (productID,
propertyName) instead. In fact, using mobileStoreProductProperty
(productID, "purchaseToken") is what you need in this use-case.

RE the lessons, yes, they could have been better. I'll add this to my
(long!) todo list :)

Kind regards,
Panos
--



On Wed, 9 Aug 2023 at 22:29, Dan Friedman via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Panos and others…
>
> First, thank you for your assistance and advise with this.   Panos’
> suggestions were spot on!    Restoring the purchases, then calling
> mobileStoreConsumePurchase worked for consumption.   And, adding a
> “complete” case to purchaseStateUpdate and handeling the
> mobilePurchaseGet() as well as the mobileStoreConsumePurchase worked
> beautifully.   A couple of follow up questions…
>
> 1 - Does the “complete” case get returned with the Apple Store as well?
> 2 – Is there a way to get the purchase token from mobilePurchaseGet() on
> Android?   The “transactionIdentifier” returns the order number, not the
> purchase token.  The purchase token is needed to verify the purchase server
> side.
>
> Lastly, it would be terrific if the lesson on the LC website was updated
> to these options/methods.   It might save the next guy some grief.
>
> -Dan
>
>
> From: use-livecode <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com> on behalf of
> panagiotis m via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Date: Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 7:51 AM
> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Cc: panagiotis m <merakosp at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Consumable In App Purchases on Android
> Hello all,
>
> Also, it might be worth trying this as well - add a new button with this
> code:
>
> on mouseUp
>    mobileStoreEnablePurchaseUpdates
>    mobileStoreRestorePurchases
> end mouseUp
>
> Then press the button, and *then* call mobileStoreConsumePurchase
> pProductID .
> Hopefully now it should be properly consumed, and you should be able to buy
> it (and consume it) again.
>
> Cheers,
> Panos
> --
>
> On Wed, 9 Aug 2023 at 11:37, panagiotis m <merakosp at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hello Dan,
> >
> > The call to mobileStoreConfirmPurchase pProductID  causes the
> > purchaseStateUpdate message to be sent again with status=complete.
> >
> > So I would not suggest putting the call to mobileStoreConsumePurchase
> > pProductID just after mobileStoreConfirmPurchase.
> >
> > You could either put it in a separate button and see if it works,
> > otherwise add a [case "complete"] in the purchaseStateUpdate msg and
> there
> > consume the product and disable purchase updates, i.e.:
> >
> > on purchaseStateUpdate pPurchaseID, pProductID, pState
> >    switch pState
> >       case "paymentReceived"
> >          answer "Payment received!"
> >          offerPurchasedProduct pProductID
> >          mobileStoreConfirmPurchase pProductID
> >          break
> >       case "error"
> >          answer "Error occured during purchase handling:" & return &
> > return & mobileStorePurchaseError(pPurchaseID)
> >          mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
> >          break
> >       case "invalidSKU"
> >          answer "Invalid SKU."
> >          mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
> >          break
> >       case "alreadyEntitled"
> >          answer "Already Owned."
> >          mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
> >          break
> >       case "restored"
> >          put "Restored: " & pProductID & cr after field "restored"
> >          offerPurchasedProduct pProductID
> >          mobileStoreConfirmPurchase pProductID
> >          break
> >       case "cancelled"
> >          answer "Purchase Cancelled:" && pProductID
> >          mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
> >          break
> >       case "complete"
> >          answer "Purchase Complete:" && pProductID
> >          mobileStoreConsumePurchase pProductID  // <-- ADD THIS HERE
> >          mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
> >          break
> >    end switch
> > end purchaseStateUpdate
> >
> > Hope this helps.
> >
> > Kind regards,
> > Panos
> > --
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 8 Aug 2023 at 22:52, Dan Friedman via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Andrew,
> >>
> >> Thank you for the input.   The code snippet you said you are using has
> >> mobileStoreConsumePurchase IMMEDIATELY following
> mobileStoreMakePurchase.
> >> Is that what you are doing?   The LC example show that
> >> mobileStoreMakePurchase should be handled in the purchaseStateUpdate
> >> message after the purchase is paymentReceived”
> >>
> >> If that’s true, then I feel like I’m doing exactly what you are
> >> suggesting.   The purchase is fine, but the consumption if not working
> for
> >> me.   Here’s what I’m doing:
> >>
> >> on startInAppPurchase numCredits
> >>   //setup purchase id
> >>   if numCredits = 1 then
> >>     put 1001 into productID
> >>     put "$0.99" into productAmount
> >>   else if numCredits = 2 then
> >>     put 1002 into productID
> >>     put "$1.99" into productAmount
> >>   else if numCredits = 3 then
> >>     put 1003 into productID
> >>     put "$2.99" into productAmount
> >>   else if numCredits = 11 then
> >>     put 1011 into productID
> >>     put "$9.99" into productAmount
> >>   end if
> >>
> >>   //confirm with user
> >>   if numCredits = 1 then
> >>     put "Are you sure you want to purchase 1 credit for" &&
> productAmount
> >> & "?" into pString
> >>   else
> >>     put "Are you sure you want to purchase" && numCredits && "credits
> >> for" && productAmount & "?" into pString
> >>   end if
> >>   if myAnswer(pString,"Cancel|Buy Now","Purchase
> >> Confirmation","|appBlue") = "Cancel" then //my custom answer dialog
> >>     exit startInAppPurchase
> >>   end if
> >>
> >>   //initiate the purchase
> >>   mobileStoreEnablePurchaseUpdates
> >>   mobileStoreSetProductType productID,"inapp"
> >>   mobileStoreMakePurchase productID,"1","testPayload - Android Only"
> >> end startInAppPurchase
> >>
> >> on purchaseStateUpdate pPurchaseID,pProductID,pState
> >>   global user
> >>
> >>   switch pState
> >>     case "paymentReceived"
> >>       put mobilePurchaseGet(pPurchaseID,"receipt") into rawReciptData
> >>
> >>       //tell our server is was sucessful and log users credits to
> database
> >>       if isIPhone() then
> >>         if db_validateAppleReceipt(rawReciptData) then
> >>           add (pProductID-1000) to user["credits"]
> >>         end if
> >>       else
> >>         //will add Android database call when ready
> >>       end if
> >>
> >>       mobileStoreConfirmPurchase pProductID //Inform the store that the
> >> purchase identifier productID was successfully delivered
> >>       if isAndroid() then
> >>         mobileStoreConsumePurchase pProductID. //  <--- DOES NOT SEEM TO
> >> CONSUME THE PRODUCT !!
> >>       end if
> >>
> >>       mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
> >>       loadMeUp //refresh our display
> >>       break
> >>     case "error"
> >>       answer "Error occured during purchase handling:" & return & return
> >> & mobileStorePurchaseError(pPurchaseID)
> >>       mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
> >>       break
> >>     case "invalidSKU"
> >>       answer "Invalid SKU."
> >>       mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
> >>       break
> >>     case "alreadyEntitled"
> >>       answer "Already Owned."
> >>       mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
> >>       break
> >>     case "restored"
> >>       answer "restored"
> >>      offerPurchasedProduct pProductID
> >>       mobileStoreConfirmPurchase pProductID
> >>       mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
> >>
> >>       loadMeUp //refresh our display
> >>       break
> >>     case "canceled"
> >>     case "cancelled"
> >>       answer "Purchase Cancelled:" && pProductID
> >>       mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
> >>       break
> >>   end switch
> >> end purchaseStateUpdate
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Do you see anything wonky in my code?
> >>
> >> --Dan
> >>
> >> From: use-livecode <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com> on behalf of
> >> Andrew at MidWest Coast Media via use-livecode <
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> >> Date: Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 10:57 AM
> >> To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> >> Cc: Andrew at MidWest Coast Media <andrew at midwestcoastmedia.com>
> >> Subject: Re: Consumable In App Purchases on Android
> >> If I’m consuming instantly, this is the code working in my Android/iOS
> >> project with comment lines explaining the values being passed in the
> >> Android build (note that the product ID values are more specific for
> >> Android than iOS):
> >>
> >>         if tPlatform = "android" then
> >>                  put "com.midwestcoastmedia.dj3pm." into tProductIDbase
> >>          else if tPlatform = "iPhone" then
> >>                  put EMPTY into tProductIDbase
> >>         end if
> >>         put tProductIDbase & pWhichProduct into tProductID
> >>
> >>       mobileStoreEnablePurchaseUpdates
> >>       ## mobileStoreSetProductType "com.midwestcoastmedia.dj3pm.tip01",
> >> "inapp"
> >>       mobileStoreSetProductType tProductID, "inapp"
> >>       ## mobileStoreMakePurchase "com.midwestcoastmedia.dj3pm.tip01",
> >> "1", "Thanks for the buck!"
> >>       mobileStoreMakePurchase tProductID, "1", tMessage
> >>       ## mobileStoreConsumePurchase "com.midwestcoastmedia.dj3pm.tip01"
> >>       mobileStoreConsumePurchase tProductID
> >>       put the result into tCatch
> >>
> >> BUT you’ll also need to implement the on purchaseStateUpdate handler to
> >> completely execute the purchase cycle. The lesson is sometimes hard to
> >> follow when Android changes their branding/naming but
> >>
> https://lessons.livecode.com/m/4069/l/184481-how-do-i-implement-in-app-purchases-in-livecode-google-play-store
> >> <
> >>
> https://lessons.livecode.com/m/4069/l/184481-how-do-i-implement-in-app-purchases-in-livecode-google-play-store
> ><
> https://lessons.livecode.com/m/4069/l/184481-how-do-i-implement-in-app-purchases-in-livecode-google-play-store%3e
> >
> >> has a good example of this.
> >>
> >> —Andrew Bell
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From dan at clearvisiontech.com  Wed Aug  9 16:38:51 2023
From: dan at clearvisiontech.com (Dan Friedman)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2023 20:38:51 +0000
Subject: Consumable In App Purchases on Android
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq974xtmZaQQa0pzSZ0zMjofWkbdUi3bmyL05Mr3vTitqw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.28.1691513283.100098.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
 <C0D6C806-D57D-40B1-9B40-76A1EA7C5805@midwestcoastmedia.com>
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Panos,

Again, thank you for your help!   mobileStoreProductProperty works beautifully!   As for the lesson, it’s not that it could have been better, it’s actually pretty good (as most LC lessons are).  It’s just that it needs to be updated to reflect newer methods and procedures.

Given how long your todo list is, I appreciate the time you always take to help me, and all the others out.  It’s GREATLY appreciated!

-Dan


From: use-livecode <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com> on behalf of panagiotis m via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Date: Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 12:46 PM
To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Cc: panagiotis m <merakosp at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Consumable In App Purchases on Android
Hello Dan,

Thanks for the update.

RE 1, I *think* yes, but I would suggest you double check this anyway.

RE 2, I would suggest not using mobilePurchaseGet(). This function is from
the older API for in-app purchases, and we have kept it for backwards
compatibility. I suggest using mobileStoreProductProperty (productID,
propertyName) instead. In fact, using mobileStoreProductProperty
(productID, "purchaseToken") is what you need in this use-case.

RE the lessons, yes, they could have been better. I'll add this to my
(long!) todo list :)

Kind regards,
Panos


From klaus at major-k.de  Thu Aug 10 06:01:41 2023
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2023 12:01:41 +0200
Subject: Android black screen again...
Message-ID: <B06D41E1-B511-4F30-9244-9DC731C08A6D@major-k.de>

Hi friends,

maybe you remember my problem, that my app
turns into a black screen occacionally.

This has happened again about four or five times since 
I reported it here.

This never happens at home, only when I am at a band 
rehearsal, but never at a gig (fingers crossed).

Restarting the dveice definitively cures this, thank you Panos,
but sometimes, especially at a gig, I do not have the time to 
do so. :-/

So any further hints highly appreciated!

macOS 12.6.8, LC 9.6.9, android 5.1 on a SAMSUNG TAB A tablet.
I'm mainly using the PDF widget if that matters...


Best

Klaus
--
Klaus Major
https://www.major-k.de
https://www.major-k.de/bass
klaus at major-k.de



From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Thu Aug 10 11:51:29 2023
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2023 16:51:29 +0100
Subject: Browzer widget zoom/scale?
Message-ID: <22538298-c24d-3077-5038-6dfa5322fb30@cogapp.com>

Is there a way to set the 'zoom level' for the browser widget?

TIA,

Ben


From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Thu Aug 10 15:22:15 2023
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2023 15:22:15 -0400
Subject: xavvi - temper your expectations
Message-ID: <CADCoycNP3n=CuJzfRJ7xZ+5AsGe6jzLFYwyur3EvAyD09-xshg@mail.gmail.com>

i'm using chatgpt and bard, every day, because i can, and because
sometimes they give me more comprehensive things to think about.
but, they are wrong. a lot.
zdnet just published a piece, today, documenting the same thing: wrong
> 50% of the time.
so, temper your expectations for xavvi in the medium term:
https://www.zdnet.com/article/chatgpt-answers-more-than-half-of-software-engineering-questions-incorrectly/

-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


From alex at tweedly.net  Thu Aug 10 15:29:52 2023
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2023 20:29:52 +0100
Subject: Sorting Arrays
In-Reply-To: <F45E93C0-C185-4E9D-99AC-7136847CC350@iotecdigital.com>
References: <F45E93C0-C185-4E9D-99AC-7136847CC350@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <1d2a693e-414c-e7aa-9cd0-b53d76e3962f@tweedly.net>


On 09/08/2023 00:15, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
> Has anyone come across a need to sort a numbered array by the values of the different keys? Here you go.

Absolutely I have needed that quite often now. I tend to use sequences 
(numbered arrays) often - maybe too often.

Up until now I've just done the sorting in the "traditional" way (i.e. 
using multiple "sort" commands), like

>    put seqAsLines(sQ2) into tKeys
>    sort lines of tKeys numeric by sQ2[each]["anumber"]
>    sort lines of tKeys by sQ2[each]["thecategory"]
>    rebuildSeq sQ2, tKeys
(the functions seqAsLines and rebuildSeq are included in the code 
snippet below).

But I really like your idea of having a handler that can be given 
multiple sort keys, and just does it all, so I took a detailed look.

First - a couple of little bugs for you.

> Keep in mind that there is no error checking so I have no idea what would happen if you provided a sort key that didnt exist in the array.
>
> on sortNumberedArray @pArrayDataA, pSortKeys
>           switch
>              case tKeyWord is among the items of "asc,ascending,desc,descending"
>                 put tKeyWord into tSortKeysA [i] ["sortorder"]
>                 break
>              case tKeyWord is "International,Numeric,datetime,text,binary"
'is' should be 'is among the items of'
>                 put tKeyWord into tSortKeysA [i] ["sorttype"]
>                 break
>              default
>                 put word 1 to x of tSortIndex into tSortKeysA [i] ["sortvalue"]
>           end switch
>        end repeat
>     end repeat
>     

Secondly, not sure if it's a bug or simply a limitation - the code fails 
if one of the array keys to use for sorting is one of 
"asc,desc,numeric,...".


And - overall, an alternate suggestion. I think your way is a bot complex.
Combining my "traditional" way as above, and your example, I came up 
with a  simpler way to do the same thing:

> on simpleSortNumberedArray @pArrayDataA, pSortKeys
>    local tKeys, tSeq, tOneSortKey, tSortCommand
>    put seqAsLines(pArrayDataA) into tKeys
>    repeat with I = the number of items in pSortKeys down to 1
>       put item I of pSortKeys into tOneSortKey
>       put "sort lines of tKeys" && word 2 to -1 of tOneSortKey && \
>             "by pArrayData[each][" && word 1 of tOneSortKey && "]" 
> into tSortCommand
>       do tSortCommand
>    end repeat
>    rebuildSeq pArrayDataA, tKeys
> end simpleSortNumberedArray
>
> function seqAsLines pSeq
>    local tRes
>    repeat with i = 1 to the number of elements in pSeq
>       put i & CR after tRes
>    end repeat
>    return tRes
> end seqAsLines
>
> command rebuildSeq @pSeq, pList
>    local tResQ, tCount
>    repeat for each line L in pList
>       add 1 to tCount
>       put pSeq[L] into tResQ[tCount]
>    end repeat
>    put tResQ into pSeq
> end rebuildSeq
This is simpler and, I think, easier to understand. And it's certainly 
much faster: takes 89 msec for my test case rather than 3416 msecs.

Alex.




From alex at tweedly.net  Thu Aug 10 15:32:12 2023
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2023 20:32:12 +0100
Subject: xavvi - temper your expectations
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycNP3n=CuJzfRJ7xZ+5AsGe6jzLFYwyur3EvAyD09-xshg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycNP3n=CuJzfRJ7xZ+5AsGe6jzLFYwyur3EvAyD09-xshg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c0e6694f-ca27-92a0-a15c-722ace9196d9@tweedly.net>

I have high expectations of xavvi - mostly because I want the cloud IDE, 
cloud db, new widgets, ...

Oh - and I might just play with the AI, but I have no short-term 
expectations for that part of it.

:-)

Alex.

On 10/08/2023 20:22, Mike Kerner via use-livecode wrote:
> i'm using chatgpt and bard, every day, because i can, and because
> sometimes they give me more comprehensive things to think about.
> but, they are wrong. a lot.
> zdnet just published a piece, today, documenting the same thing: wrong
>> 50% of the time.
> so, temper your expectations for xavvi in the medium term:
> https://www.zdnet.com/article/chatgpt-answers-more-than-half-of-software-engineering-questions-incorrectly/
>


From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Thu Aug 10 15:31:55 2023
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2023 21:31:55 +0200
Subject: xavvi - temper your expectations
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycNP3n=CuJzfRJ7xZ+5AsGe6jzLFYwyur3EvAyD09-xshg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycNP3n=CuJzfRJ7xZ+5AsGe6jzLFYwyur3EvAyD09-xshg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <136C8206-6B98-4401-9CB7-4CD4B14CEA9F@m-r-d.de>

I thought Xavvi will make use of AI, but the use is not mandatory. So even without AI, XAVVI would be an online development tool which can deploy web apps and which also could import and export Livecode stacks.



Am 10.08.2023 um 21:22 schrieb Mike Kerner via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> i'm using chatgpt and bard, every day, because i can, and because
> sometimes they give me more comprehensive things to think about.
> but, they are wrong. a lot.
> zdnet just published a piece, today, documenting the same thing: wrong
>> 50% of the time.
> so, temper your expectations for xavvi in the medium term:
> https://www.zdnet.com/article/chatgpt-answers-more-than-half-of-software-engineering-questions-incorrectly/
> 
> -- 
> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>   and did a little diving.
> And God said, "This is good."
> 
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> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Aug 10 16:08:09 2023
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2023 20:08:09 +0000
Subject: Sorting Arrays
In-Reply-To: <1d2a693e-414c-e7aa-9cd0-b53d76e3962f@tweedly.net>
References: <F45E93C0-C185-4E9D-99AC-7136847CC350@iotecdigital.com>
 <1d2a693e-414c-e7aa-9cd0-b53d76e3962f@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <48072F9A-569B-455B-8665-76AE88221DBD@iotecdigital.com>

Thanks Alex, not sure how I missed that. I was only testing for a specific use case and only tried numeric descending. 

Bob S


> On Aug 10, 2023, at 12:29 PM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> On 09/08/2023 00:15, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
>> Has anyone come across a need to sort a numbered array by the values of the different keys? Here you go.
> 
> Absolutely I have needed that quite often now. I tend to use sequences (numbered arrays) often - maybe too often.
> 
> Up until now I've just done the sorting in the "traditional" way (i.e. using multiple "sort" commands), like
> 
>>    put seqAsLines(sQ2) into tKeys
>>    sort lines of tKeys numeric by sQ2[each]["anumber"]
>>    sort lines of tKeys by sQ2[each]["thecategory"]
>>    rebuildSeq sQ2, tKeys
> (the functions seqAsLines and rebuildSeq are included in the code snippet below).
> 
> But I really like your idea of having a handler that can be given multiple sort keys, and just does it all, so I took a detailed look.
> 
> First - a couple of little bugs for you.
> 
>> Keep in mind that there is no error checking so I have no idea what would happen if you provided a sort key that didn’t exist in the array.
>> 
>> on sortNumberedArray @pArrayDataA, pSortKeys
>>          switch
>>             case tKeyWord is among the items of "asc,ascending,desc,descending"
>>                put tKeyWord into tSortKeysA [i] ["sortorder"]
>>                break
>>             case tKeyWord is "International,Numeric,datetime,text,binary"
> 'is' should be 'is among the items of'
>>                put tKeyWord into tSortKeysA [i] ["sorttype"]
>>                break
>>             default
>>                put word 1 to x of tSortIndex into tSortKeysA [i] ["sortvalue"]
>>          end switch
>>       end repeat
>>    end repeat
>>    
> 
> Secondly, not sure if it's a bug or simply a limitation - the code fails if one of the array keys to use for sorting is one of "asc,desc,numeric,...".
> 
> 
> And - overall, an alternate suggestion. I think your way is a bot complex.
> Combining my "traditional" way as above, and your example, I came up with a  simpler way to do the same thing:
> 
>> on simpleSortNumberedArray @pArrayDataA, pSortKeys
>>    local tKeys, tSeq, tOneSortKey, tSortCommand
>>    put seqAsLines(pArrayDataA) into tKeys
>>    repeat with I = the number of items in pSortKeys down to 1
>>       put item I of pSortKeys into tOneSortKey
>>       put "sort lines of tKeys" && word 2 to -1 of tOneSortKey && \
>>             "by pArrayData[each][" && word 1 of tOneSortKey && "]" into tSortCommand
>>       do tSortCommand
>>    end repeat
>>    rebuildSeq pArrayDataA, tKeys
>> end simpleSortNumberedArray
>> 
>> function seqAsLines pSeq
>>    local tRes
>>    repeat with i = 1 to the number of elements in pSeq
>>       put i & CR after tRes
>>    end repeat
>>    return tRes
>> end seqAsLines
>> 
>> command rebuildSeq @pSeq, pList
>>    local tResQ, tCount
>>    repeat for each line L in pList
>>       add 1 to tCount
>>       put pSeq[L] into tResQ[tCount]
>>    end repeat
>>    put tResQ into pSeq
>> end rebuildSeq
> This is simpler and, I think, easier to understand. And it's certainly much faster: takes 89 msec for my test case rather than 3416 msecs.
> 
> Alex.
> 
> 
> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Aug 10 16:28:59 2023
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2023 20:28:59 +0000
Subject: Sorting Arrays
In-Reply-To: <1d2a693e-414c-e7aa-9cd0-b53d76e3962f@tweedly.net>
References: <F45E93C0-C185-4E9D-99AC-7136847CC350@iotecdigital.com>
 <1d2a693e-414c-e7aa-9cd0-b53d76e3962f@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <04F07EA9-5BAF-42E4-AE2A-90124E3D2381@iotecdigital.com>

I see you are sorting the keys of the array. I’ll give your method a try.

Bob S


On Aug 10, 2023, at 12:29 PM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

And - overall, an alternate suggestion. I think your way is a bot complex.
Combining my "traditional" way as above, and your example, I came up with a  simpler way to do the same thing:


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Aug 10 16:34:01 2023
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2023 15:34:01 -0500
Subject: Android black screen again...
In-Reply-To: <B06D41E1-B511-4F30-9244-9DC731C08A6D@major-k.de>
References: <B06D41E1-B511-4F30-9244-9DC731C08A6D@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <189e127faa8.276f.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>

I looked up the Samsung Tab A and it says it runs Android 9, upgradable to 
11. There are multiple RAM options. Is this the one you have? 
<https://m.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_tab_a_10_1_(2019)-9582.php>

 I'm just guessing, but memory may be too low to allow the browser widget 
to work, since it does work after a reboot and the problem only happens 
occasionally. But Android 5 is almost 10 years old and I'd be surprised if 
that is what your tablet is running. Have you checked for an update? You 
have much more control of memory usage with a newer OS.

In any case, you can keep memory usage lower if you delete or disable all 
apps and processes you don't need. You can do that in Settings/Apps. 
Samsung installs a lot of bloatware and if you don't use those things, turn 
them off or remove them. You can't always uninstall these but you can 
disable some of them. Also uninstall any extra apps you don't use. I have a 
newer Samsung tablet and I disabled or deleted almost half the software it 
shipped with. Many of these run in the background and use memory. Launcher 
widgets also run constantly so remove the ones you don't need from your 
launch screens.

--
Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
On August 10, 2023 5:03:24 AM Klaus major-k via use-livecode 
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi friends,
>
> maybe you remember my problem, that my app
> turns into a black screen occacionally.
>
> This has happened again about four or five times since
> I reported it here.
>
> This never happens at home, only when I am at a band
> rehearsal, but never at a gig (fingers crossed).
>
> Restarting the dveice definitively cures this, thank you Panos,
> but sometimes, especially at a gig, I do not have the time to
> do so. :-/
>
> So any further hints highly appreciated!
>
> macOS 12.6.8, LC 9.6.9, android 5.1 on a SAMSUNG TAB A tablet.
> I'm mainly using the PDF widget if that matters...
>
>
> Best
>
> Klaus
> --
> Klaus Major
> https://www.major-k.de
> https://www.major-k.de/bass
> klaus at major-k.de
>
>
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From dsc at swcp.com  Thu Aug 10 18:30:55 2023
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2023 16:30:55 -0600
Subject: Rectangles on Windows?
In-Reply-To: <91D44125-B408-4F17-9E25-4E132B4B8409@swcp.com>
References: <91D44125-B408-4F17-9E25-4E132B4B8409@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <64C8B881-4CE5-4A56-9588-C2BC30A359BD@swcp.com>

Anybody else seeing missing rectangles on Windows?  — Dar

> On Aug 8, 2023, at 12:14 PM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> I have some rectangles that work just fine in development on my Mac.
> 
> However, there are problems in my Windows standalone. 
> 
> Not Showing Up
> Two sets of rectangles are not visible in Windows. One set is opaque and one set is not. The opaque set is made visible or not invisible with a wipe effect. Both sets have a non-zero border thickness
> 
> Showing Up
> Other rectangles have opaque true, backgroundColor red, and border thickness 0. They are visible on Windows. They are also within a group. These are made visible and not visible with a same wipe effect. 
> 
> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Aug 10 18:45:20 2023
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2023 22:45:20 +0000
Subject: Rectangles on Windows?
In-Reply-To: <64C8B881-4CE5-4A56-9588-C2BC30A359BD@swcp.com>
References: <91D44125-B408-4F17-9E25-4E132B4B8409@swcp.com>
 <64C8B881-4CE5-4A56-9588-C2BC30A359BD@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <61993CB1-D125-42DA-8E37-96368DF9F6AA@iotecdigital.com>

Sorry Dar, I do not use rectangles for anything. 

Bob S


> On Aug 10, 2023, at 3:30 PM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Anybody else seeing missing rectangles on Windows?  — Dar
> 
>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 12:14 PM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I have some rectangles that work just fine in development on my Mac.
>> 
>> However, there are problems in my Windows standalone. 
>> 
>> Not Showing Up
>> Two sets of rectangles are not visible in Windows. One set is opaque and one set is not. The opaque set is made visible or not invisible with a wipe effect. Both sets have a non-zero border thickness
>> 
>> Showing Up
>> Other rectangles have opaque true, backgroundColor red, and border thickness 0. They are visible on Windows. They are also within a group. These are made visible and not visible with a same wipe effect. 


From klaus at major-k.de  Fri Aug 11 04:12:56 2023
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2023 10:12:56 +0200
Subject: Android black screen again...
In-Reply-To: <189e127faa8.276f.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <B06D41E1-B511-4F30-9244-9DC731C08A6D@major-k.de>
 <189e127faa8.276f.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <48D02CCA-2419-4562-BBB4-B1912ED34DD6@major-k.de>

Hi Jacque,

> Am 10.08.2023 um 22:34 schrieb J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> I looked up the Samsung Tab A and it says it runs Android 9, upgradable to 11. There are multiple RAM options. Is this the one you have? <https://m.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_tab_a_10_1_(2019)-9582.php>
> 
> I'm just guessing, but memory may be too low to allow the browser widget to work, since it does work after a reboot and the problem only happens occasionally. But Android 5 is almost 10 years old and I'd be surprised if that is what your tablet is running. Have you checked for an update? You have much more control of memory usage with a newer OS.

sorry, my fault, I obviously have an older version of the tablet and it does in fact run Android 8.1.
However it is not upgradable.

> In any case, you can keep memory usage lower if you delete or disable all apps and processes you don't need. You can do that in Settings/Apps. Samsung installs a lot of bloatware and if you don't use those things, turn them off or remove them. You can't always uninstall these but you can disable some of them. Also uninstall any extra apps you don't use. I have a newer Samsung tablet and I disabled or deleted almost half the software it shipped with. Many of these run in the background and use memory. Launcher widgets also run constantly so remove the ones you don't need from your launch screens.

I already did that, snice I only need the device for displaying PDF leadsheets.
But if it would be a memory issue, then it would happen more often, I think.

The problem is that this is not reproducable, it happens out of a sudden if it happens.
Even the hardware BACKKEY does not work in that situation, only the HOMEKEY so I can 
at least quit the app.

> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> On August 10, 2023 5:03:24 AM Klaus major-k via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hi friends,
>> 
>> maybe you remember my problem, that my app
>> turns into a black screen occacionally.
>> 
>> This has happened again about four or five times since
>> I reported it here.
>> 
>> This never happens at home, only when I am at a band
>> rehearsal, but never at a gig (fingers crossed).
>> 
>> Restarting the dveice definitively cures this, thank you Panos,
>> but sometimes, especially at a gig, I do not have the time to
>> do so. :-/
>> 
>> So any further hints highly appreciated!
>> 
>> macOS 12.6.8, LC 9.6.9, android 5.1 on a SAMSUNG TAB A tablet.
>> I'm mainly using the PDF widget if that matters...

Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
https://www.major-k.de
https://www.major-k.de/bass
klaus at major-k.de



From dsc at swcp.com  Fri Aug 11 10:19:52 2023
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2023 08:19:52 -0600
Subject: Rectangles on Windows?
In-Reply-To: <61993CB1-D125-42DA-8E37-96368DF9F6AA@iotecdigital.com>
References: <91D44125-B408-4F17-9E25-4E132B4B8409@swcp.com>
 <64C8B881-4CE5-4A56-9588-C2BC30A359BD@swcp.com>
 <61993CB1-D125-42DA-8E37-96368DF9F6AA@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <0916EA2B-8E51-4C5A-B8E5-C50FC5B85197@swcp.com>

Hmmm. Maybe few use rectangles. I could try a polyline or a group. — Dar

> On Aug 10, 2023, at 4:45 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Sorry Dar, I do not use rectangles for anything. 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Aug 10, 2023, at 3:30 PM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Anybody else seeing missing rectangles on Windows?  — Dar
>> 
>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 12:14 PM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I have some rectangles that work just fine in development on my Mac.
>>> 
>>> However, there are problems in my Windows standalone. 
>>> 
>>> Not Showing Up
>>> Two sets of rectangles are not visible in Windows. One set is opaque and one set is not. The opaque set is made visible or not invisible with a wipe effect. Both sets have a non-zero border thickness
>>> 
>>> Showing Up
>>> Other rectangles have opaque true, backgroundColor red, and border thickness 0. They are visible on Windows. They are also within a group. These are made visible and not visible with a same wipe effect. 
> 
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From paul at researchware.com  Fri Aug 11 11:19:50 2023
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2023 11:19:50 -0400
Subject: Rectangles on Windows?
In-Reply-To: <0916EA2B-8E51-4C5A-B8E5-C50FC5B85197@swcp.com>
References: <91D44125-B408-4F17-9E25-4E132B4B8409@swcp.com>
 <64C8B881-4CE5-4A56-9588-C2BC30A359BD@swcp.com>
 <61993CB1-D125-42DA-8E37-96368DF9F6AA@iotecdigital.com>
 <0916EA2B-8E51-4C5A-B8E5-C50FC5B85197@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <32b1c3d5-15b2-3328-9458-5fc38f4b3520@researchware.com>

If you want to send me a link to your Windows standalone, I would be 
happy to download it (Windows 11 HP laptop) and see if I see the same 
thing. Or a link to your stack and I can see if it appears in the LC 
9.6.9 IDE if you want.


On 8/11/2023 10:19 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode wrote:
> Hmmm. Maybe few use rectangles. I could try a polyline or a group.  Dar
>
>> On Aug 10, 2023, at 4:45 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> Sorry Dar, I do not use rectangles for anything.
>>
>> Bob S
>>
>>
>>> On Aug 10, 2023, at 3:30 PM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Anybody else seeing missing rectangles on Windows?   Dar
>>>
>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 12:14 PM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have some rectangles that work just fine in development on my Mac.
>>>>
>>>> However, there are problems in my Windows standalone.
>>>>
>>>> Not Showing Up
>>>> Two sets of rectangles are not visible in Windows. One set is opaque and one set is not. The opaque set is made visible or not invisible with a wipe effect. Both sets have a non-zero border thickness
>>>>
>>>> Showing Up
>>>> Other rectangles have opaque true, backgroundColor red, and border thickness 0. They are visible on Windows. They are also within a group. These are made visible and not visible with a same wipe effect.
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Aug 11 13:20:33 2023
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2023 17:20:33 +0000
Subject: Tab Widget Go command
Message-ID: <871423F1-6902-4A9D-A85A-4DEE8AF2D9CD@iotecdigital.com>

In the dictionary, there is a Go command for widgets. I assumed this meant I can do something like: 

Go forward in widget “TabBar”

But that does not work. Any ideas? I can kludge it. I would rather not have to. 

Bob S


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Aug 11 16:30:55 2023
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2023 15:30:55 -0500
Subject: Android black screen again...
In-Reply-To: <48D02CCA-2419-4562-BBB4-B1912ED34DD6@major-k.de>
References: <B06D41E1-B511-4F30-9244-9DC731C08A6D@major-k.de>
 <189e127faa8.276f.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <48D02CCA-2419-4562-BBB4-B1912ED34DD6@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <a170a673-0998-7a36-9ca8-d1c26fe158c7@hyperactivesw.com>

On 8/11/23 3:12 AM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote:
> The problem is that this is not reproducable, it happens out of a sudden if it happens.
> Even the hardware BACKKEY does not work in that situation, only the HOMEKEY so I can
> at least quit the app.

That's called an ANR ("Application Not Responding"). Something in the app is causing a hang. If 
you wait long enough, Android should put up a dialog asking if you want to wait or close the 
app. If you choose to wait, sometimes it comes back. However, the wait can be 10-20 seconds or 
more so people often just quit before the dialog appears.

The problem here is figuring out what causes it. Is it always the same PDF file? Or maybe it 
happens after opening a certain number of files, or the length of a file, or the cumulative 
length of several files, or...? If it isn't reproducible, it's very difficult to find the cause.

If it happens to you at home some day, see if waiting 15 seconds or more puts up that dialog. 
That would confirm it's an ANR.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Aug 11 18:00:22 2023
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2023 17:00:22 -0500
Subject: Sorting Arrays
In-Reply-To: <1d2a693e-414c-e7aa-9cd0-b53d76e3962f@tweedly.net>
References: <F45E93C0-C185-4E9D-99AC-7136847CC350@iotecdigital.com>
 <1d2a693e-414c-e7aa-9cd0-b53d76e3962f@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <9d073821-5337-fca9-185d-3623d399eb79@hyperactivesw.com>

On 8/10/23 2:29 PM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:
> Combining my "traditional" way as above, and your example, I came up with a  simpler way to do 
> the same thing:
> 
>> on simpleSortNumberedArray @pArrayDataA, pSortKeys
>>    local tKeys, tSeq, tOneSortKey, tSortCommand
>>    put seqAsLines(pArrayDataA) into tKeys
>>    repeat with I = the number of items in pSortKeys down to 1
>>       put item I of pSortKeys into tOneSortKey
>>       put "sort lines of tKeys" && word 2 to -1 of tOneSortKey && \
>>             "by pArrayData[each][" && word 1 of tOneSortKey && "]" into tSortCommand
>>       do tSortCommand
>>    end repeat
>>    rebuildSeq pArrayDataA, tKeys
>> end simpleSortNumberedArray
>>
>> function seqAsLines pSeq
>>    local tRes
>>    repeat with i = 1 to the number of elements in pSeq
>>       put i & CR after tRes
>>    end repeat
>>    return tRes
>> end seqAsLines
>>
>> command rebuildSeq @pSeq, pList
>>    local tResQ, tCount
>>    repeat for each line L in pList
>>       add 1 to tCount
>>       put pSeq[L] into tResQ[tCount]
>>    end repeat
>>    put tResQ into pSeq
>> end rebuildSeq 

I couldn't get this to work until I altered it, but I was using a very simple array. What type 
of array data did you use? I think I'm missing something.

I just did this:

   put the weekdayNames into tDataA
   split tDataA by cr
   simpleSortNumberedArray tDataA, "descending,text"

For that array, this worked:

on simpleSortNumberedArray pArrayDataA, pSortKeys
   local tKeys, tSeq, tOneSortKey, tSortCommand
   put seqAsLines(pArrayDataA) into tKeys
   repeat with I = the number of items in pSortKeys down to 1
     put item I of pSortKeys into tOneSortKey
     --    put "sort lines of tKeys" && word 2 to -1 of tOneSortKey && \
     --      "by pArrayDataA[each][" && word 1 of tOneSortKey && "]" into tSortCommand
     put "sort lines of tKeys" && tOneSortKey into tSortCommand
     do tSortCommand
   end repeat
   rebuildSeq pArrayDataA, tKeys
end simpleSortNumberedArray

function seqAsLines pSeq
   local tRes
   --  repeat with i = 1 to the number of elements in pSeq
   repeat for each element e in pSeq
     put e & CR after tRes
   end repeat
   return tRes
end seqAsLines

command rebuildSeq @pSeq, pList
   local tResQ, tCount
   repeat for each line L in pList
     add 1 to tCount
     --    put pSeq[L] into tResQ[tCount]
     put L into tResQ[tCount]
   end repeat
   put tResQ into pSeq
end rebuildSeq

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From alex at tweedly.net  Fri Aug 11 19:58:59 2023
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2023 00:58:59 +0100
Subject: Sorting Arrays
In-Reply-To: <9d073821-5337-fca9-185d-3623d399eb79@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <F45E93C0-C185-4E9D-99AC-7136847CC350@iotecdigital.com>
 <1d2a693e-414c-e7aa-9cd0-b53d76e3962f@tweedly.net>
 <9d073821-5337-fca9-185d-3623d399eb79@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <ca68b8a6-8b5e-3357-269a-143b24dda262@tweedly.net>


On 11/08/2023 23:00, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
> On 8/10/23 2:29 PM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:
> [ ... code from earlier posting ...]

> I couldn't get this to work until I altered it, but I was using a very 
> simple array. What type of array data did you use? I think I'm missing 
> something.
>
> I just did this:
>
>   put the weekdayNames into tDataA
>   split tDataA by cr
>   simpleSortNumberedArray tDataA, "descending,text"
>
What you're missing is that this (simpleSortNumberedArray) is only 
intended for "numbered array"s (which LC is calling "sequences" in some 
places); i.e. an array where the (top-level) keys are all consecutive 
integers, from 1 .... n

Also, the pSortkeys should be a number of comma-separated items, each of 
which consists of a key by which you want to sort the array followed 
optionally by an order and type.

So you might do something like :

> on mouseup
>    local tCounter, tDataA
>
>    repeat for each line L in the weekdayNames
>       add 1 to tCounter
>       put L into tDataA[tCounter]["dayname"]
>       put the number of chars in L into tDataA[tCounter]["charcount"]
>    end repeat
>
>    -- sorts ascending by name (i.e. F, M, Sa, Su, Th, Tu, W)
>    simpleSortNumberedArray tDataA, "dayname"
>    repeat with I = 1 to 7
>       put tDataA[I]["charcount"] && tDataA[I]["dayname"] & CR after msg
>    end repeat
>
>    put "---------" &CR after msg
>
>    -- sorts descending numeric by number of characters in name
>    --  NB within each char count value, they remain in alphabetical 
> order of name
>    simpleSortNumberedArray tDataA, "charcount numeric descending"
>    repeat with I = 1 to 7
>       put tDataA[I]["charcount"] && tDataA[I]["dayname"] & CR after msg
>    end repeat
> end mouseup
and get as output

> 6 Friday
> 6 Monday
> 8 Saturday
> 6 Sunday
> 8 Thursday
> 7 Tuesday
> 9 Wednesday
> ---------
> 9 Wednesday
> 8 Saturday
> 8 Thursday
> 7 Tuesday
> 6 Friday
> 6 Monday
> 6 Sunday

So - it would be worth adding a check that the array passed in is indeed 
a sequence, at the start of simpleSortNumberedArray:

if NOT (pArrayDataA is an array AND \
            item 2 of extents(pArrayDataA) is the number of elements in 
pArrayDataA) then \
                  return pArrayData

I'm now going to add this to my personal library, but I'll rename it to

     seqSortMultipleKeys

Alex.




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Aug 11 20:07:47 2023
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2023 00:07:47 +0000
Subject: Sorting Arrays
In-Reply-To: <ca68b8a6-8b5e-3357-269a-143b24dda262@tweedly.net>
References: <F45E93C0-C185-4E9D-99AC-7136847CC350@iotecdigital.com>
 <1d2a693e-414c-e7aa-9cd0-b53d76e3962f@tweedly.net>
 <9d073821-5337-fca9-185d-3623d399eb79@hyperactivesw.com>
 <ca68b8a6-8b5e-3357-269a-143b24dda262@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <43732233-0960-4653-BF08-F6BC36DB4275@iotecdigital.com>

Send me what you have. Thanks. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 11, 2023, at 17:02, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On 11/08/2023 23:00, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
>> On 8/10/23 2:29 PM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:
>> [ ... code from earlier posting ...]
> 
>> I couldn't get this to work until I altered it, but I was using a very simple array. What type of array data did you use? I think I'm missing something.
>> 
>> I just did this:
>> 
>>   put the weekdayNames into tDataA
>>   split tDataA by cr
>>   simpleSortNumberedArray tDataA, "descending,text"
>> 
> What you're missing is that this (simpleSortNumberedArray) is only intended for "numbered array"s (which LC is calling "sequences" in some places); i.e. an array where the (top-level) keys are all consecutive integers, from 1 .... n
> 
> Also, the pSortkeys should be a number of comma-separated items, each of which consists of a key by which you want to sort the array followed optionally by an order and type.
> 
> So you might do something like :
> 
>> on mouseup
>>    local tCounter, tDataA
>> 
>>    repeat for each line L in the weekdayNames
>>       add 1 to tCounter
>>       put L into tDataA[tCounter]["dayname"]
>>       put the number of chars in L into tDataA[tCounter]["charcount"]
>>    end repeat
>> 
>>    -- sorts ascending by name (i.e. F, M, Sa, Su, Th, Tu, W)
>>    simpleSortNumberedArray tDataA, "dayname"
>>    repeat with I = 1 to 7
>>       put tDataA[I]["charcount"] && tDataA[I]["dayname"] & CR after msg
>>    end repeat
>> 
>>    put "---------" &CR after msg
>> 
>>    -- sorts descending numeric by number of characters in name
>>    --  NB within each char count value, they remain in alphabetical order of name
>>    simpleSortNumberedArray tDataA, "charcount numeric descending"
>>    repeat with I = 1 to 7
>>       put tDataA[I]["charcount"] && tDataA[I]["dayname"] & CR after msg
>>    end repeat
>> end mouseup
> and get as output
> 
>> 6 Friday
>> 6 Monday
>> 8 Saturday
>> 6 Sunday
>> 8 Thursday
>> 7 Tuesday
>> 9 Wednesday
>> ---------
>> 9 Wednesday
>> 8 Saturday
>> 8 Thursday
>> 7 Tuesday
>> 6 Friday
>> 6 Monday
>> 6 Sunday
> 
> So - it would be worth adding a check that the array passed in is indeed a sequence, at the start of simpleSortNumberedArray:
> 
> if NOT (pArrayDataA is an array AND \
>            item 2 of extents(pArrayDataA) is the number of elements in pArrayDataA) then \
>                  return pArrayData
> 
> I'm now going to add this to my personal library, but I'll rename it to
> 
>     seqSortMultipleKeys
> 
> Alex.
> 
> 
> 
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From klaus at major-k.de  Sat Aug 12 03:31:21 2023
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2023 09:31:21 +0200
Subject: Android black screen again...
In-Reply-To: <a170a673-0998-7a36-9ca8-d1c26fe158c7@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <B06D41E1-B511-4F30-9244-9DC731C08A6D@major-k.de>
 <189e127faa8.276f.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <48D02CCA-2419-4562-BBB4-B1912ED34DD6@major-k.de>
 <a170a673-0998-7a36-9ca8-d1c26fe158c7@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <43493CFD-F381-41E1-AD4D-0FC859801E5B@major-k.de>

Hi Jacque,

you wrote:

> I'm just guessing, but memory may be too low to allow the browser widget to work,

however I am not using the browser widget (does not display PDFs on Andoid!)
but the PDF widget!

> Am 11.08.2023 um 22:30 schrieb J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> On 8/11/23 3:12 AM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote:
>> The problem is that this is not reproducable, it happens out of a sudden if it happens.
>> Even the hardware BACKKEY does not work in that situation, only the HOMEKEY so I can
>> at least quit the app.
> 
> That's called an ANR ("Application Not Responding"). Something in the app is causing a hang. If you wait long enough, Android should put up a dialog asking if you want to wait or close the app. If you choose to wait, sometimes it comes back. However, the wait can be 10-20 seconds or more so people often just quit before the dialog appears.

OK, if I have the time I will wait next time and see what happens.

> The problem here is figuring out what causes it. Is it always the same PDF file? Or maybe it happens after opening a certain number of files, or the length of a file, or the cumulative length of several files, or...? If it isn't reproducible, it's very difficult to find the cause.

It happen when I start the app, at that point there is no PDF loaded, just the "start card"
with a couple of poly grids.

It also happened in the same "session", means no switching the device off and on again.
I started the device then opened my app, no problems.
Then I quit my app and started again, BOOM, black screen.

> If it happens to you at home some day, see if waiting 15 seconds or more puts up that dialog. That would confirm it's an ANR.

Yes, will do, thanks for the hint!

> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com

Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
https://www.major-k.de
https://www.major-k.de/bass
klaus at major-k.de



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Aug 12 12:30:17 2023
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2023 11:30:17 -0500
Subject: Sorting Arrays
In-Reply-To: <ca68b8a6-8b5e-3357-269a-143b24dda262@tweedly.net>
References: <F45E93C0-C185-4E9D-99AC-7136847CC350@iotecdigital.com>
 <1d2a693e-414c-e7aa-9cd0-b53d76e3962f@tweedly.net>
 <9d073821-5337-fca9-185d-3623d399eb79@hyperactivesw.com>
 <ca68b8a6-8b5e-3357-269a-143b24dda262@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <189ea958da8.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>

Got it, thanks. The array was numbered but I didn't have enough dimensions.

--
Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
On August 11, 2023 7:03:33 PM Alex Tweedly via use-livecode 
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> On 11/08/2023 23:00, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
>> On 8/10/23 2:29 PM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:
>> [ ... code from earlier posting ...]
>
>> I couldn't get this to work until I altered it, but I was using a very
>> simple array. What type of array data did you use? I think I'm missing
>> something.
>>
>> I just did this:
>>
>>   put the weekdayNames into tDataA
>>   split tDataA by cr
>>   simpleSortNumberedArray tDataA, "descending,text"
>>
> What you're missing is that this (simpleSortNumberedArray) is only
> intended for "numbered array"s (which LC is calling "sequences" in some
> places); i.e. an array where the (top-level) keys are all consecutive
> integers, from 1 .... n
>
> Also, the pSortkeys should be a number of comma-separated items, each of
> which consists of a key by which you want to sort the array followed
> optionally by an order and type.
>
> So you might do something like :
>
>> on mouseup
>>    local tCounter, tDataA
>>
>>    repeat for each line L in the weekdayNames
>>       add 1 to tCounter
>>       put L into tDataA[tCounter]["dayname"]
>>       put the number of chars in L into tDataA[tCounter]["charcount"]
>>    end repeat
>>
>>    -- sorts ascending by name (i.e. F, M, Sa, Su, Th, Tu, W)
>>    simpleSortNumberedArray tDataA, "dayname"
>>    repeat with I = 1 to 7
>>       put tDataA[I]["charcount"] && tDataA[I]["dayname"] & CR after msg
>>    end repeat
>>
>>    put "---------" &CR after msg
>>
>>    -- sorts descending numeric by number of characters in name
>>    --  NB within each char count value, they remain in alphabetical
>> order of name
>>    simpleSortNumberedArray tDataA, "charcount numeric descending"
>>    repeat with I = 1 to 7
>>       put tDataA[I]["charcount"] && tDataA[I]["dayname"] & CR after msg
>>    end repeat
>> end mouseup
> and get as output
>
>> 6 Friday
>> 6 Monday
>> 8 Saturday
>> 6 Sunday
>> 8 Thursday
>> 7 Tuesday
>> 9 Wednesday
>> ---------
>> 9 Wednesday
>> 8 Saturday
>> 8 Thursday
>> 7 Tuesday
>> 6 Friday
>> 6 Monday
>> 6 Sunday
>
> So - it would be worth adding a check that the array passed in is indeed
> a sequence, at the start of simpleSortNumberedArray:
>
> if NOT (pArrayDataA is an array AND \
>            item 2 of extents(pArrayDataA) is the number of elements in
> pArrayDataA) then \
>                  return pArrayData
>
> I'm now going to add this to my personal library, but I'll rename it to
>
>     seqSortMultipleKeys
>
> Alex.
>
>
>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Aug 12 12:35:47 2023
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2023 11:35:47 -0500
Subject: Sorting Arrays
In-Reply-To: <43732233-0960-4653-BF08-F6BC36DB4275@iotecdigital.com>
References: <F45E93C0-C185-4E9D-99AC-7136847CC350@iotecdigital.com>
 <1d2a693e-414c-e7aa-9cd0-b53d76e3962f@tweedly.net>
 <9d073821-5337-fca9-185d-3623d399eb79@hyperactivesw.com>
 <ca68b8a6-8b5e-3357-269a-143b24dda262@tweedly.net>
 <43732233-0960-4653-BF08-F6BC36DB4275@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <189ea9a92d0.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>

I used a short, one-dimensional numbered array:

put the weekdayNames into tDataA
split tDataA by cr
simpleSortNumberedArray tDataA, "descending,text"

But as Alex explained, one dimension wasn't enough.

--
Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
On August 11, 2023 7:09:50 PM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Send me what you have. Thanks.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Aug 11, 2023, at 17:02, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode 
>> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>>> On 11/08/2023 23:00, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
>>> On 8/10/23 2:29 PM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:
>>> [ ... code from earlier posting ...]
>>
>>> I couldn't get this to work until I altered it, but I was using a very 
>>> simple array. What type of array data did you use? I think I'm missing 
>>> something.
>>>
>>> I just did this:
>>>
>>>   put the weekdayNames into tDataA
>>>   split tDataA by cr
>>>   simpleSortNumberedArray tDataA, "descending,text"
>>>
>> What you're missing is that this (simpleSortNumberedArray) is only intended 
>> for "numbered array"s (which LC is calling "sequences" in some places); 
>> i.e. an array where the (top-level) keys are all consecutive integers, from 
>> 1 .... n
>>
>> Also, the pSortkeys should be a number of comma-separated items, each of 
>> which consists of a key by which you want to sort the array followed 
>> optionally by an order and type.
>>
>> So you might do something like :
>>
>>> on mouseup
>>>    local tCounter, tDataA
>>>
>>>    repeat for each line L in the weekdayNames
>>>       add 1 to tCounter
>>>       put L into tDataA[tCounter]["dayname"]
>>>       put the number of chars in L into tDataA[tCounter]["charcount"]
>>>    end repeat
>>>
>>>    -- sorts ascending by name (i.e. F, M, Sa, Su, Th, Tu, W)
>>>    simpleSortNumberedArray tDataA, "dayname"
>>>    repeat with I = 1 to 7
>>>       put tDataA[I]["charcount"] && tDataA[I]["dayname"] & CR after msg
>>>    end repeat
>>>
>>>    put "---------" &CR after msg
>>>
>>>    -- sorts descending numeric by number of characters in name
>>>    --  NB within each char count value, they remain in alphabetical order of name
>>>    simpleSortNumberedArray tDataA, "charcount numeric descending"
>>>    repeat with I = 1 to 7
>>>       put tDataA[I]["charcount"] && tDataA[I]["dayname"] & CR after msg
>>>    end repeat
>>> end mouseup
>> and get as output
>>
>>> 6 Friday
>>> 6 Monday
>>> 8 Saturday
>>> 6 Sunday
>>> 8 Thursday
>>> 7 Tuesday
>>> 9 Wednesday
>>> ---------
>>> 9 Wednesday
>>> 8 Saturday
>>> 8 Thursday
>>> 7 Tuesday
>>> 6 Friday
>>> 6 Monday
>>> 6 Sunday
>>
>> So - it would be worth adding a check that the array passed in is indeed a 
>> sequence, at the start of simpleSortNumberedArray:
>>
>> if NOT (pArrayDataA is an array AND \
>>            item 2 of extents(pArrayDataA) is the number of elements in pArrayDataA) then \
>>                  return pArrayData
>>
>> I'm now going to add this to my personal library, but I'll rename it to
>>
>>     seqSortMultipleKeys
>>
>> Alex.
>>
>>
>>
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Sat Aug 12 18:22:18 2023
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2023 22:22:18 +0000
Subject: Sorting Arrays
In-Reply-To: <189ea9a92d0.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <F45E93C0-C185-4E9D-99AC-7136847CC350@iotecdigital.com>
 <1d2a693e-414c-e7aa-9cd0-b53d76e3962f@tweedly.net>
 <9d073821-5337-fca9-185d-3623d399eb79@hyperactivesw.com>
 <ca68b8a6-8b5e-3357-269a-143b24dda262@tweedly.net>
 <43732233-0960-4653-BF08-F6BC36DB4275@iotecdigital.com>
 <189ea9a92d0.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <96401816-CDD0-4F24-935F-679A1B49E0AB@iotecdigital.com>

I formatted the sortKeys as I would an SQL query or an LC sort, but then I needed to isolate the key from the parameters because I couldn’t assume the sort key was simply the first word. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 12, 2023, at 09:36, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I used a short, one-dimensional numbered array:
> 
> put the weekdayNames into tDataA
> split tDataA by cr
> simpleSortNumberedArray tDataA, "descending,text"
> 
> But as Alex explained, one dimension wasn't enough.
> 
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>> On August 11, 2023 7:09:50 PM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Send me what you have. Thanks.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Aug 11, 2023, at 17:02, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?
>>>> On 11/08/2023 23:00, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
>>>> On 8/10/23 2:29 PM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:
>>>> [ ... code from earlier posting ...]
>>> 
>>>> I couldn't get this to work until I altered it, but I was using a very simple array. What type of array data did you use? I think I'm missing something.
>>>> 
>>>> I just did this:
>>>> 
>>>>  put the weekdayNames into tDataA
>>>>  split tDataA by cr
>>>>  simpleSortNumberedArray tDataA, "descending,text"
>>>> 
>>> What you're missing is that this (simpleSortNumberedArray) is only intended for "numbered array"s (which LC is calling "sequences" in some places); i.e. an array where the (top-level) keys are all consecutive integers, from 1 .... n
>>> 
>>> Also, the pSortkeys should be a number of comma-separated items, each of which consists of a key by which you want to sort the array followed optionally by an order and type.
>>> 
>>> So you might do something like :
>>> 
>>>> on mouseup
>>>>   local tCounter, tDataA
>>>> 
>>>>   repeat for each line L in the weekdayNames
>>>>      add 1 to tCounter
>>>>      put L into tDataA[tCounter]["dayname"]
>>>>      put the number of chars in L into tDataA[tCounter]["charcount"]
>>>>   end repeat
>>>> 
>>>>   -- sorts ascending by name (i.e. F, M, Sa, Su, Th, Tu, W)
>>>>   simpleSortNumberedArray tDataA, "dayname"
>>>>   repeat with I = 1 to 7
>>>>      put tDataA[I]["charcount"] && tDataA[I]["dayname"] & CR after msg
>>>>   end repeat
>>>> 
>>>>   put "---------" &CR after msg
>>>> 
>>>>   -- sorts descending numeric by number of characters in name
>>>>   --  NB within each char count value, they remain in alphabetical order of name
>>>>   simpleSortNumberedArray tDataA, "charcount numeric descending"
>>>>   repeat with I = 1 to 7
>>>>      put tDataA[I]["charcount"] && tDataA[I]["dayname"] & CR after msg
>>>>   end repeat
>>>> end mouseup
>>> and get as output
>>> 
>>>> 6 Friday
>>>> 6 Monday
>>>> 8 Saturday
>>>> 6 Sunday
>>>> 8 Thursday
>>>> 7 Tuesday
>>>> 9 Wednesday
>>>> ---------
>>>> 9 Wednesday
>>>> 8 Saturday
>>>> 8 Thursday
>>>> 7 Tuesday
>>>> 6 Friday
>>>> 6 Monday
>>>> 6 Sunday
>>> 
>>> So - it would be worth adding a check that the array passed in is indeed a sequence, at the start of simpleSortNumberedArray:
>>> 
>>> if NOT (pArrayDataA is an array AND \
>>>           item 2 of extents(pArrayDataA) is the number of elements in pArrayDataA) then \
>>>                 return pArrayData
>>> 
>>> I'm now going to add this to my personal library, but I'll rename it to
>>> 
>>>    seqSortMultipleKeys
>>> 
>>> Alex.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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From neville.smythe at optusnet.com.au  Sun Aug 13 08:45:39 2023
From: neville.smythe at optusnet.com.au (Neville Smythe)
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2023 22:45:39 +1000
Subject: Linux file names in LC Server
Message-ID: <903ADB0E-1E82-44C9-96A1-C4FE62EC10B9@optusnet.com.au>

As we know with LC it is pretty straightforward to deal with internationalised text for remote databases and unknown user platforms by conversion to utf-8. But I have come across a problem with Linux filenames containing non-ascii characters which has me befuddled.

My many-years-old app has until now just required all filenames to be in standard 7-bit ascii, so it was way past time I brought it up to date. 

The app talks to a database, media  and web site on a unix (DreamHost) server using LC server as intermediary.

I create a file say “Carré.txt” on a Mac - the non-ascii character in that name being [e-acute] - I shall use this convention from now on to ensure what is displayed here on the forum is understood.

BTW, as far as I can determine that character in the Mac file system is a single byte hex [8e], the classic MacRoman encoding, not its utf-8 2-byte [C3A9] encoding. So I don’t understand how macOS handles unicode in its filesystem, which it certainly does. We are exhorted to textEncode to utf-8 when exporting anything outside LC but perhaps not filenames??  If I textEncode the filename and save with that name I get a new file “Carr[squareroot copyright].txt”. I am befuddled already - how does macOS distinguish MacRoman encoding from unicode encoding when it displays a file name? - but that is another story for another place..

Oh, and another story: it ain't true that all text in LC is utf-16: While it’s not possible using LC-API’s to determine exactly what is inside the black-box of an LC variable in memory, it is evidently platform dependent —  that MacRoman [8e] is reported as being the relevant byte in the LC variable. What can be determined is what is on disk when a stack is saved: there text appears to be encoded as a mixture of 7-bit ascii when it can be, utf-16 encoding for other characters. Not that we as consumers need to know how the magic is performed, as long as it works. Back to my story..

So now I want to upload this file to my remote Linux server. I POST a form, prepared with libURLMultiPartFormData, to an LC Server script, which is supposed to save the received file.

If I attempt to use the original Mac file name, the server responds “Cannot open file Carr[e-acute].txt” 
(this is the Result error message from "open file tFileName for binary write”)

If I send textEncode(filename, utf-8) as the file name, the server responds “Cannot open file Carr[squareroot][copyright].txt”

If I textEncode at the client end, and then textDecode on the server it responds “Cannot open file Carre[E-grave].txt” (Where did THAT come from? Is there a bug in textDecode on Linux LCS?  The native encoding on Linux is supposed to be ISO-Latin-1, where E-grave is hex [C8], in MacRoman it is [E9], no apparent connections between them or the utf-8 bytes.)

And just as a piece of nonsense, if I send the raw un-Encoded Mac file name, but then textDecode on the server, the file is happily saved as “Carr.txt”, which is correct since [8e] followed by .  is illegal as utf-8, so the [e-acute] is just skipped by textDecode.

Could it be that LCserver cannot create files on Linux  with non-ascii names?!?  That doesn’t seem believable. I can of course directly create files on the server with non-ascii characters such as e-acute.

Either I am missing something, or surely our European users have seen this already, so someone should be able to unfuddle me!

Neville Smythe




From harrison at all-auctions.com  Sun Aug 13 09:29:46 2023
From: harrison at all-auctions.com (harrison at all-auctions.com)
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2023 09:29:46 -0400
Subject: LC 9.6.9 App uses too much memory!
In-Reply-To: <903ADB0E-1E82-44C9-96A1-C4FE62EC10B9@optusnet.com.au>
References: <903ADB0E-1E82-44C9-96A1-C4FE62EC10B9@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <848FFA3D-F8BA-45F1-8595-B4742FE107B9@all-auctions.com>

Hi LiveCoders,

I just got a warning from the OS that I was out of application memory. Livecode was using over 90 GB of memory!

The stack runs fine under LC 9.6.8 without any issues whatsoever, but as soon as I open it with LC 9.6.9 the problem reappears.
(I have to use force quit to shut down LC 9.6.9 when this happens.)

I’m running Mac OS Ventura on an M1 processor that has 16 GB of Memory.

Clearly this is a bug in LC 9.6.9, but I don’t know what is causing the problem.
I noticed that others in the past have run into a similar problem.  Was this
ever reported as a bug?

Do you have any ideas or suggestions?

Thanks,

Rick

From neville.smythe at optusnet.com.au  Sun Aug 13 21:45:59 2023
From: neville.smythe at optusnet.com.au (Neville Smythe)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2023 11:45:59 +1000
Subject: Linux filenames in LC Server
Message-ID: <E5AA10DB-86D7-4F58-9975-777FFD510042@optusnet.com.au>

OK, so the macOS *is* using utf-8 for its file names - the [e-acute] in the filename Carré.txt is rendered with two bytes [C3A9] not the single byte MacRoman encoding. I got tricked by copying the terminal listing into another program rather than hex dumping within the terminal, and somewhere in the process the native encoding was preferred. 

So one must *not* textEncode a filename to utf-8 before writing a file to disk, LC deals with the encoding, although you *should” textEncode its contents.

Which leaves the problem of why I can’t get LC Server on Linux to write non-ascii filenames

Neville Smythe





From dan at clearvisiontech.com  Mon Aug 14 01:34:04 2023
From: dan at clearvisiontech.com (Dan Friedman)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2023 05:34:04 +0000
Subject: Oddities with iOS IAP
In-Reply-To: <E5AA10DB-86D7-4F58-9975-777FFD510042@optusnet.com.au>
References: <E5AA10DB-86D7-4F58-9975-777FFD510042@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <BYAPR12MB2709E835086A8746A977C2FAB917A@BYAPR12MB2709.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>

I am getting some inconsistent results with in in app purchases from the iOS App Store.   In the TestFlight dev environment, the purchase “seems” to be complete…  I get all the normal iOS prompts to purchase the product, enter the password, etc.  I even get the “You’re All Set.  Your purchase was successful.” message.  But, most of the time the purcahseStateUpdate message is never received.  (Yes!  I am calling mobileStoreEnablePurchaseUpdates before anything else).

Also, after calling mobileStoreMakePurchase, there is quite a pause before you get the “confirm purchase” dialog… I mean like 7 to 10 seconds.  And, after you make the purchase (and you hear the ‘ding’), there is another 4-5 second pause before the “Your purchase was successful” message.   Is that normal?

Any thoughts, insights or advise?   Maybe this is a TestFlight dev environment thing?

FWIW, I have no issues on Android.  Google Play store is working as expected – every time.

-Dan


From mark at livecode.com  Mon Aug 14 06:13:51 2023
From: mark at livecode.com (Mark Waddingham)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2023 11:13:51 +0100
Subject: LC 9.6.9 App uses too much memory!
In-Reply-To: <848FFA3D-F8BA-45F1-8595-B4742FE107B9@all-auctions.com>
References: <903ADB0E-1E82-44C9-96A1-C4FE62EC10B9@optusnet.com.au>
 <848FFA3D-F8BA-45F1-8595-B4742FE107B9@all-auctions.com>
Message-ID: <332932d5c6b5963e704c40816aec8145@livecode.com>

On 2023-08-13 14:29, harrison--- via use-livecode wrote:
> Hi LiveCoders,
> 
> Clearly this is a bug in LC 9.6.9, but I dont know what is causing the 
> problem.
> I noticed that others in the past have run into a similar problem.  Was 
> this
> ever reported as a bug?

Could you file a bug report with recipe and attach (or send to 
support at livecode.com if its sensitive) the stack and recipe for 
reproducing the problem so we can take a look.

Thanks in advance,

Mark.

-- 
Mark Waddingham ~ mark at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
LiveCode: Build Amazing Things


From mark at livecode.com  Mon Aug 14 06:22:03 2023
From: mark at livecode.com (Mark Waddingham)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2023 11:22:03 +0100
Subject: Linux filenames in LC Server
In-Reply-To: <E5AA10DB-86D7-4F58-9975-777FFD510042@optusnet.com.au>
References: <E5AA10DB-86D7-4F58-9975-777FFD510042@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <e6cfaea8845d1fb8043e364cb2dd1e67@livecode.com>

On 2023-08-14 02:45, Neville Smythe via use-livecode wrote:
> OK, so the macOS *is* using utf-8 for its file names - the [e-acute] in 
> the filename Carr.txt is rendered with two bytes [C3A9] not the single 
> byte MacRoman encoding. I got tricked by copying the terminal listing 
> into another program rather than hex dumping within the terminal, and 
> somewhere in the process the native encoding was preferred.
> 
> So one must *not* textEncode a filename to utf-8 before writing a file 
> to disk, LC deals with the encoding, although you *should textEncode 
> its contents.
> 
> Which leaves the problem of why I cant get LC Server on Linux to write 
> non-ascii filenames

So I suspect the problem here is normalization, rather than the 
inability of Linux to write non-ascii filenames.

Characters such as e-acute / e-grave have *two* representations in 
unicode - the decomposed and composed form.

The composed form is a direct mapping from the native encodings and is a 
single codepoint, the decomposed form will be two codepoints - (e, 
combining-acute/grave)

Depending on where the string comes from it might either be composed or 
decomposed - macOS filenames are stored decomposed in the FS, but the 
higher-level parts of the OS make either form work (in a similar fashion 
to how macOS filesystems are case-insensitive by default).

Linux filesystems, however, are both case-sensitive and form-sensitive - 
a filename must match byte to byte with what it was created with 
(indeed, linux filesystems care nothing for encodings, they see 
filenames as a sequence of bytes which are interpreted relative to the 
user's current locale - the default locale on linux these days is 
utf-8).

If your app is managing the files completely on Linux (i.e. it is 
creating / deleting them and the filenames are not user-editable) then 
(if this is the caseu) the problem should be fixable by choosing a 
normalization form when you create / lookup the file - i.e. pass all 
filenames on the server through `normalizeText(<str>, <form>)` - here 
you want form to be either "NFC" (composed) or "NFD" (decomposed).

Warmest Regards,

Mark.

P.S. For all the gory details about Unicode normalization forms see - 
https://unicode.org/reports/tr15/

-- 
Mark Waddingham ~ mark at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
LiveCode: Build Amazing Things


From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Mon Aug 14 07:12:55 2023
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2023 13:12:55 +0200
Subject: Linux filenames in LC Server
In-Reply-To: <e6cfaea8845d1fb8043e364cb2dd1e67@livecode.com>
References: <E5AA10DB-86D7-4F58-9975-777FFD510042@optusnet.com.au>
 <e6cfaea8845d1fb8043e364cb2dd1e67@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <22FED311-D92C-4C60-BDB2-AB9336209572@m-r-d.de>

Hi Mark,

when i read Neville's post i thought also about normalize, although i really do not have a clue about the whole unicode stuff, but i remembered that the standalone builder make use of the normalize function. ;)

So i used this script on LC Server to write the seconds to a file containing an a-umlaut in its name.

put  normalizeText("testä.txt", "NFC") into tFile
put the seconds into URL ("binfile:"&tFile)
put the result
put "<br><br>"
put the files
put "<br><br>"
put tFile

But that does not work. "The result" returns 'can't open file'. 
As i already wrote i have no clue about unicode so i tried also NFD and also the other 2 options, but also w/o success.

Is there something else that  one hast to keep in mind to have success with this?


Regards,
Matthias



> Am 14.08.2023 um 12:22 schrieb Mark Waddingham via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> On 2023-08-14 02:45, Neville Smythe via use-livecode wrote:
>> OK, so the macOS *is* using utf-8 for its file names - the [e-acute] in the filename Carré.txt is rendered with two bytes [C3A9] not the single byte MacRoman encoding. I got tricked by copying the terminal listing into another program rather than hex dumping within the terminal, and somewhere in the process the native encoding was preferred.
>> So one must *not* textEncode a filename to utf-8 before writing a file to disk, LC deals with the encoding, although you *should” textEncode its contents.
>> Which leaves the problem of why I can’t get LC Server on Linux to write non-ascii filenames
> 
> So I suspect the problem here is normalization, rather than the inability of Linux to write non-ascii filenames.
> 
> Characters such as e-acute / e-grave have *two* representations in unicode - the decomposed and composed form.
> 
> The composed form is a direct mapping from the native encodings and is a single codepoint, the decomposed form will be two codepoints - (e, combining-acute/grave)
> 
> Depending on where the string comes from it might either be composed or decomposed - macOS filenames are stored decomposed in the FS, but the higher-level parts of the OS make either form work (in a similar fashion to how macOS filesystems are case-insensitive by default).
> 
> Linux filesystems, however, are both case-sensitive and form-sensitive - a filename must match byte to byte with what it was created with (indeed, linux filesystems care nothing for encodings, they see filenames as a sequence of bytes which are interpreted relative to the user's current locale - the default locale on linux these days is utf-8).
> 
> If your app is managing the files completely on Linux (i.e. it is creating / deleting them and the filenames are not user-editable) then (if this is the caseu) the problem should be fixable by choosing a normalization form when you create / lookup the file - i.e. pass all filenames on the server through `normalizeText(<str>, <form>)` - here you want form to be either "NFC" (composed) or "NFD" (decomposed).
> 
> Warmest Regards,
> 
> Mark.
> 
> P.S. For all the gory details about Unicode normalization forms see - https://unicode.org/reports/tr15/
> 
> -- 
> Mark Waddingham ~ mark at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
> LiveCode: Build Amazing Things
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From mark at livecode.com  Mon Aug 14 07:30:09 2023
From: mark at livecode.com (Mark Waddingham)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2023 12:30:09 +0100
Subject: Linux filenames in LC Server
In-Reply-To: <22FED311-D92C-4C60-BDB2-AB9336209572@m-r-d.de>
References: <E5AA10DB-86D7-4F58-9975-777FFD510042@optusnet.com.au>
 <e6cfaea8845d1fb8043e364cb2dd1e67@livecode.com>
 <22FED311-D92C-4C60-BDB2-AB9336209572@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <451d838117d6857f9af371ba2a213583@livecode.com>

On 2023-08-14 12:12, matthias rebbe via use-livecode wrote:
> Hi Mark,
> 
> when i read Neville's post i thought also about normalize, although i 
> really do not have a clue about the whole unicode stuff, but i 
> remembered that the standalone builder make use of the normalize 
> function. ;)
> 
> So i used this script on LC Server to write the seconds to a file 
> containing an a-umlaut in its name.
> 
> put  normalizeText("test.txt", "NFC") into tFile
> put the seconds into URL ("binfile:"&tFile)
> put the result
> put "<br><br>"
> put the files
> put "<br><br>"
> put tFile
> 
> But that does not work. "The result" returns 'can't open file'.

Hmmm - I must confess that I misread Neville's post - he did explicitly 
mention 'creating' files... The normalization would only arise if the 
file already existed, but the requested (incoming) filename was 
normalized differently (thus resulting in the file not being found).

So assuming that the defaultFolder is accessible in your above script 
(as a read-only folder would also cause the same error) then there does 
appear to be something up here...

Warmest Regards,

Mark.

-- 
Mark Waddingham ~ mark at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
LiveCode: Build Amazing Things


From mark at livecode.com  Mon Aug 14 07:50:31 2023
From: mark at livecode.com (Mark Waddingham)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2023 12:50:31 +0100
Subject: Linux filenames in LC Server
In-Reply-To: <451d838117d6857f9af371ba2a213583@livecode.com>
References: <E5AA10DB-86D7-4F58-9975-777FFD510042@optusnet.com.au>
 <e6cfaea8845d1fb8043e364cb2dd1e67@livecode.com>
 <22FED311-D92C-4C60-BDB2-AB9336209572@m-r-d.de>
 <451d838117d6857f9af371ba2a213583@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <681007f43f924ec513c60f842fbd84bd@livecode.com>

On 2023-08-14 12:30, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode wrote:
> So assuming that the defaultFolder is accessible in your above script 
> (as a read-only folder would also cause the same error) then there does 
> appear to be something up here...

Okay so I'm pretty sure the linux server engine is doing the right 
thing.

As mentioned previously, Linux filesystems don't actually care what the 
encoding of a filename is - to linux its just a sequence of bytes

The interpretation is given by the 'locale' settings which are in effect 
for any given program.

So, when you run lc-server from a terminal session directly, its almost 
certainly the case that the LC_ALL and LANG environment variables are 
set to en_US.UTF-8 (or some other language code DOT UTF-8 - it is the 
UTF-8 which is the important bit).

On Linux, a C API nl_langinfo() is used to fetch the encoding to use 
when talking to the system APIs (e.g. filesystem APIs) - this (I 
believe) derives its information from LANG/LC_ALL.

If the latter *are not set* then it will likely default to the 'C' 
locale which has no interpretation of any non-ascii chars, and thus 
attempts to encode/decode utf-8 encoded filenames will fail.

My theory is that these variables are not set in the configuration for 
running CGIs in Apache (or whatever web server is being used in this 
instance).

Digging around it looks like Apache (at least) has a `SetEnv` directive 
which would allow these environment variables to be set, e.g.

   SetEnv LC_ALL en_US.UTF-8
   SetEnv LANG en_US.UTF-8

Although I'm not 100% sure where such things go, perhaps someone more 
conversant with apache config could chime in to suggest.

Warmest Regards,

Mark.

-- 
Mark Waddingham ~ mark at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
LiveCode: Build Amazing Things


From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Mon Aug 14 07:53:27 2023
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2023 13:53:27 +0200
Subject: Linux filenames in LC Server
In-Reply-To: <451d838117d6857f9af371ba2a213583@livecode.com>
References: <E5AA10DB-86D7-4F58-9975-777FFD510042@optusnet.com.au>
 <e6cfaea8845d1fb8043e364cb2dd1e67@livecode.com>
 <22FED311-D92C-4C60-BDB2-AB9336209572@m-r-d.de>
 <451d838117d6857f9af371ba2a213583@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <DFAFEAC2-0880-4703-AF4A-1A72AEB02A36@m-r-d.de>

see below...


> Am 14.08.2023 um 13:30 schrieb Mark Waddingham via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> On 2023-08-14 12:12, matthias rebbe via use-livecode wrote:
>> Hi Mark,
>> when i read Neville's post i thought also about normalize, although i really do not have a clue about the whole unicode stuff, but i remembered that the standalone builder make use of the normalize function. ;)
>> So i used this script on LC Server to write the seconds to a file containing an a-umlaut in its name.
>> put  normalizeText("testä.txt", "NFC") into tFile
>> put the seconds into URL ("binfile:"&tFile)
>> put the result
>> put "<br><br>"
>> put the files
>> put "<br><br>"
>> put tFile
>> But that does not work. "The result" returns 'can't open file'.
> 
> Hmmm - I must confess that I misread Neville's post - he did explicitly mention 'creating' files... The normalization would only arise if the file already existed, but the requested (incoming) filename was normalized differently (thus resulting in the file not being found).
> 
> So assuming that the defaultFolder is accessible in your above script (as a read-only folder would also cause the same error) then there does appear to be something up here...
> 

The default folder is accessible. The same script works when the ä is removed  from the line
put  normalizeText("testä.txt", "NFC") into tFile



> Warmest Regards,
> 
> Mark.
> 
> -- 
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> LiveCode: Build Amazing Things
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From dsc at swcp.com  Mon Aug 14 20:07:27 2023
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2023 18:07:27 -0600
Subject: JSON
Message-ID: <6D0C53CB-4658-4911-96DE-370B5BA6E3EB@swcp.com>


I’m about write some scripts that fiddle with JSON. I have some old stacks of mine about someplace. But, I got to thinking there might be something faster about someplace. Ideas?

Dar

From andrew at midwestcoastmedia.com  Mon Aug 14 23:29:01 2023
From: andrew at midwestcoastmedia.com (Andrew at MidWest Coast Media)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2023 23:29:01 -0400
Subject: iOS media player
Message-ID: <A7A06684-AA9B-475D-A3D1-14B8FDB4DA82@midwestcoastmedia.com>

I have a project that needs updating but mobile media controls have completely changed since I last worked on this app. Seems now that the mobile player for iOS is a completely transparent rectangle until the user taps on it when 3 controls appear (rewind 10, play/pause, fast forward 10).

Is there any way to make this overlay appear automatically? Once it appears it persists even after updating the media file. It feels like I’m going to have to create a skin (WinAMP flashbacks) for the media player that used to have standard timeline & playback UI from the OS.

The logical command (in my head at least) was 
	mobileControlSet "audioPlayer", "showController", TRUE
but that acts more like a visibility command rather than calling up the controls. 

Here is a video showing the player object with a blueBackground and the controls appearing only after tapping on the mobile player: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/q84nccwrqcct8jsmgwvs0/iOS_player.mp4?rlkey=mhqcuz96z9a88ztldweacdsco&dl=0 <https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/q84nccwrqcct8jsmgwvs0/iOS_player.mp4?rlkey=mhqcuz96z9a88ztldweacdsco&dl=0> 

Curious how others have handled this change.

—Andrew Bell

From tore.nilsen at me.com  Tue Aug 15 00:58:15 2023
From: tore.nilsen at me.com (Tore Nilsen)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2023 06:58:15 +0200
Subject: JSON
In-Reply-To: <6D0C53CB-4658-4911-96DE-370B5BA6E3EB@swcp.com>
References: <6D0C53CB-4658-4911-96DE-370B5BA6E3EB@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <BDDB5B6F-5179-42D6-96DF-3006D7E0BB7C@me.com>

JsonImport will make an array of your JSON data, whereas JsonExport will turn your array into JSON data. Not much fiddling there.

Best regards
Tore Nilsen

> 15. aug. 2023 kl. 02:07 skrev Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> 
> I’m about write some scripts that fiddle with JSON. I have some old stacks of mine about someplace. But, I got to thinking there might be something faster about someplace. Ideas?
> 
> Dar
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Aug 15 01:16:48 2023
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2023 08:16:48 +0300
Subject: JSON
In-Reply-To: <BDDB5B6F-5179-42D6-96DF-3006D7E0BB7C@me.com>
References: <6D0C53CB-4658-4911-96DE-370B5BA6E3EB@swcp.com>
 <BDDB5B6F-5179-42D6-96DF-3006D7E0BB7C@me.com>
Message-ID: <CAL3fwtj0exDZ6B2Yt384_G74e_mbmiK8sXTd+5Ma+RddG7-SkA@mail.gmail.com>

This has recently been explored across on the forums where I managed to
expose my full level of ignorance on the subject.

Best, Richmond.

On Tue, 15 Aug 2023, 07:59 Tore Nilsen via use-livecode, <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> JsonImport will make an array of your JSON data, whereas JsonExport will
> turn your array into JSON data. Not much fiddling there.
>
> Best regards
> Tore Nilsen
>
> > 15. aug. 2023 kl. 02:07 skrev Dar Scott via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> >
> >
> > I’m about write some scripts that fiddle with JSON. I have some old
> stacks of mine about someplace. But, I got to thinking there might be
> something faster about someplace. Ideas?
> >
> > Dar
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From neville.smythe at optusnet.com.au  Tue Aug 15 03:42:45 2023
From: neville.smythe at optusnet.com.au (Neville Smythe)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2023 17:42:45 +1000
Subject: Linux filenames in LC Server
Message-ID: <E66AFF8F-D41D-4524-99DD-B31DA0B737B3@optusnet.com.au>

Thanks Mark and Matthias

I think it is clear the problem is not related to variant forms - if I replace [e-acute] by any other non-ascii character, such as a Kanji character or emoji, I get the same “can’t open that file” error. And the weird decoding of [e-acute] to [E-grave] would be explained if textDecode is failing in LC Server.

So if I understand Mark correctly, while one can create utf-8 encoded filenames directly in a terminal session,  LC Server internally accesses Apache environment variables to encode/decode the filename before opening a file rather than directly using the shell. Presumably this has something to do with the engine being a server app having to respect the server environment.  

On Dreamhost, as far as I can determine, the LANG and LC-ALL variables are *not* set (though WordPress is running and it adds support for a swathe of languages, so surely has support for non-ascii filenames?) The site is a shared hosting, so I do not have permissions to change the Apache conf files. I tried adding the SetEnv commands in the .htaccess file but that didn’t work, although I could well be doing it wrong, I am fumbling around in the dark here.

Unless there is some way to fix the configuration, it would seem that not only will opening files fail but the detailed files (the long files) command will also fail if non-ascii characters are encountered since it uses textEncode. I presume that using shell commands could be used as a workaround for accessing the filesystem, as long as LC doesn’t do an internal textEncode as it passes the variables to the shell! 

However it also means one cannot use textDecode/Encode at all, not just for the filenames but also content; and that could be a bummer. I haven’t encountered this so far because to this point I have encoded content before uploading binary files to the server, but I can envision situations where I would want to encode or decode server-side.

I’m puzzled that this problem hasn’t been raised before. Surely the vast majority of website host providers use Linux servers, and the Dreamhost configuration for shared hosting is most likely standard. So has no-one in Europe (or Asia..) using LC Server wanted to create native-language filenames? I think LC Server is a magnificent tool, but perhaps it is not as widely used as it deserves! Or: they all found the fix and haven’t told us.

> So, when you run lc-server from a terminal session directly, its almost 
> certainly the case that the LC_ALL and LANG environment variables are 
> set to en_US.UTF-8 (or some other language code DOT UTF-8 - it is the 
> UTF-8 which is the important bit).
> 
> On Linux, a C API nl_langinfo() is used to fetch the encoding to use 
> when talking to the system APIs (e.g. filesystem APIs) - this (I 
> believe) derives its information from LANG/LC_ALL.
> 
> If the latter *are not set* then it will likely default to the 'C' 
> locale which has no interpretation of any non-ascii chars, and thus 
> attempts to encode/decode utf-8 encoded filenames will fail.
> 
> My theory is that these variables are not set in the configuration for 
> running CGIs in Apache (or whatever web server is being used in this 
> instance).
> 
> Digging around it looks like Apache (at least) has a `SetEnv` directive 
> which would allow these environment variables to be set, e.g.
> 
>   SetEnv LC_ALL en_US.UTF-8
>   SetEnv LANG en_US.UTF-8
> 
> Although I'm not 100% sure where such things go, perhaps someone more 
> conversant with apache config could chime in to suggest.
Neville Smythe





From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Tue Aug 15 04:06:51 2023
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2023 10:06:51 +0200
Subject: Linux filenames in LC Server
In-Reply-To: <E66AFF8F-D41D-4524-99DD-B31DA0B737B3@optusnet.com.au>
References: <E66AFF8F-D41D-4524-99DD-B31DA0B737B3@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <4A5C44CF-2B54-44D7-9F9D-C69B0651C319@m-r-d.de>

What definitely works, at least here,  is to urlencode the filename before creating it
So that e.g. testä would be created as test%E4
As urlencode does not "harm" you could use it in general, not only for non-ascii file names. 
And if you want to display the "real" name you just have to urldecode the filename again.





> Am 15.08.2023 um 09:42 schrieb Neville Smythe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Thanks Mark and Matthias
> 
> I think it is clear the problem is not related to variant forms - if I replace [e-acute] by any other non-ascii character, such as a Kanji character or emoji, I get the same “can’t open that file” error. And the weird decoding of [e-acute] to [E-grave] would be explained if textDecode is failing in LC Server.
> 
> So if I understand Mark correctly, while one can create utf-8 encoded filenames directly in a terminal session,  LC Server internally accesses Apache environment variables to encode/decode the filename before opening a file rather than directly using the shell. Presumably this has something to do with the engine being a server app having to respect the server environment.  
> 
> On Dreamhost, as far as I can determine, the LANG and LC-ALL variables are *not* set (though WordPress is running and it adds support for a swathe of languages, so surely has support for non-ascii filenames?) The site is a shared hosting, so I do not have permissions to change the Apache conf files. I tried adding the SetEnv commands in the .htaccess file but that didn’t work, although I could well be doing it wrong, I am fumbling around in the dark here.
> 
> Unless there is some way to fix the configuration, it would seem that not only will opening files fail but the detailed files (the long files) command will also fail if non-ascii characters are encountered since it uses textEncode. I presume that using shell commands could be used as a workaround for accessing the filesystem, as long as LC doesn’t do an internal textEncode as it passes the variables to the shell! 
> 
> However it also means one cannot use textDecode/Encode at all, not just for the filenames but also content; and that could be a bummer. I haven’t encountered this so far because to this point I have encoded content before uploading binary files to the server, but I can envision situations where I would want to encode or decode server-side.
> 
> I’m puzzled that this problem hasn’t been raised before. Surely the vast majority of website host providers use Linux servers, and the Dreamhost configuration for shared hosting is most likely standard. So has no-one in Europe (or Asia..) using LC Server wanted to create native-language filenames? I think LC Server is a magnificent tool, but perhaps it is not as widely used as it deserves! Or: they all found the fix and haven’t told us.
> 
>> So, when you run lc-server from a terminal session directly, its almost 
>> certainly the case that the LC_ALL and LANG environment variables are 
>> set to en_US.UTF-8 (or some other language code DOT UTF-8 - it is the 
>> UTF-8 which is the important bit).
>> 
>> On Linux, a C API nl_langinfo() is used to fetch the encoding to use 
>> when talking to the system APIs (e.g. filesystem APIs) - this (I 
>> believe) derives its information from LANG/LC_ALL.
>> 
>> If the latter *are not set* then it will likely default to the 'C' 
>> locale which has no interpretation of any non-ascii chars, and thus 
>> attempts to encode/decode utf-8 encoded filenames will fail.
>> 
>> My theory is that these variables are not set in the configuration for 
>> running CGIs in Apache (or whatever web server is being used in this 
>> instance).
>> 
>> Digging around it looks like Apache (at least) has a `SetEnv` directive 
>> which would allow these environment variables to be set, e.g.
>> 
>>  SetEnv LC_ALL en_US.UTF-8
>>  SetEnv LANG en_US.UTF-8
>> 
>> Although I'm not 100% sure where such things go, perhaps someone more 
>> conversant with apache config could chime in to suggest.
> Neville Smythe
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From merakosp at gmail.com  Tue Aug 15 04:31:37 2023
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis m)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2023 11:31:37 +0300
Subject: Oddities with iOS IAP
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR12MB2709E835086A8746A977C2FAB917A@BYAPR12MB2709.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
References: <E5AA10DB-86D7-4F58-9975-777FFD510042@optusnet.com.au>
 <BYAPR12MB2709E835086A8746A977C2FAB917A@BYAPR12MB2709.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq-iKB_pNpzkkn0jEJUwKheSLTfBupW0Co+AEqQivve+HQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Dan,

Could you share the code that makes the purchase, as well as the
purchaseStateUpdate message?

Although, my guess is that this is rather a TestFlight issue, since if it
was an issue in LC's API for in-app purchase on iOS, it would have been
reported
ready.

Kind regards,
Panos
--

From mark at livecode.com  Tue Aug 15 04:44:15 2023
From: mark at livecode.com (Mark Waddingham)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2023 09:44:15 +0100
Subject: Linux filenames in LC Server
In-Reply-To: <E66AFF8F-D41D-4524-99DD-B31DA0B737B3@optusnet.com.au>
References: <E66AFF8F-D41D-4524-99DD-B31DA0B737B3@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <4feb08be2f5d097077b387d0d4709c55@livecode.com>

On 2023-08-15 08:42, Neville Smythe via use-livecode wrote:
> So if I understand Mark correctly, while one can create utf-8 encoded 
> filenames directly in a terminal
> session,  LC Server internally accesses Apache environment variables to 
> encode/decode the filename
> before opening a file rather than directly using the shell. Presumably 
> this has something to do with
> the engine being a server app having to respect the server environment.

So what is actually happening here is that there is a notion of a 
'SysString' in the engine. A 'SysString' is a string represented as a 
sequence of bytes in whatever encoding the host platform understands in 
its APIs. The engine converts its internal string representation to a 
sys string whenever it accesses a system API - e.g. for opening files.

In the case of Linux what encoding such 'sys strings' need to use 
depends on the environment - the encoding *could* be anything and thus 
the engine uses the UNIX 'iconv' library to convert from internal 
representation to the encoded bytes needed. I think this is what is 
causing the failure of the file APIs - iconv is refusing to convert a 
string with non-ascii characters to the 'default' 'C' locale as it can't 
(there is no mapping from, say, e-acute to ascii).

I should point out that textEncode/Decode do not use system APIs - the 
conversions between UTF* forms and 'native' are all built into the 
engine - so that part is fine - its the low-level connection between 
commands like 'open file' and calling the UNIX open API which is 
throwing an error on file name conversion.

> On Dreamhost, as far as I can determine, the LANG and LC-ALL variables 
> are *not* set (though WordPress
> is running and it adds support for a swathe of languages, so surely has 
> support for non-ascii filenames?)
> The site is a shared hosting, so I do not have permissions to change 
> the Apache conf files. I tried adding
> the SetEnv commands in the .htaccess file but that didnt work, 
> although I could well be doing it wrong,
> I am fumbling around in the dark here.

The only thing I've found so far is SetEnv which does look like it can 
only be configured in the host config for a domain which is slightly 
irksome. However, there is a way to launch the CGI engine with any vars 
needed.

I'm not sure how Dreamhost sets things up - indeed it might be worth 
asking their support if there is a way to configure environment 
variables which are passed through to CGI executables.

If there isn't then it can be done with a launcher script:

```
#!/bin/sh
export LC_ALL="en_US.UTF8"
export LANG="en_US.UTF8"
exec livecode-server
```

This would be a text file which has been made executable - and needs to 
be configured as the executable which is launched when a livecode server 
script is launched (livecode-server in the above needs to be the 
location of the livecode-server executable in the hosting setup).

I know others here use (or have used) Dreamhost in the past - so they 
might know more about how the above could be configured (although, 
again, Dreamhost support can probably help).


> Unless there is some way to fix the configuration, it would seem that 
> not only will opening files
> fail but the detailed files (the long files) command will also fail if 
> non-ascii characters are
> encountered since it uses textEncode. I presume that using shell 
> commands could be used as a workaround
> for accessing the filesystem, as long as LC doesnt do an internal 
> textEncode as it passes the
> variables to the shell!
> However it also means one cannot use textDecode/Encode at all, not just 
> for the filenames but also
> content; and that could be a bummer. I havent encountered this so far 
> because to this point I have
> encoded content before uploading binary files to the server, but I can 
> envision situations where I
> would want to encode or decode server-side.

The problem isn't with textEncode/Decode - they work fine as mentioned 
above - its just the engine doesn't have the necessary information (due 
to lack of env vars) to know how to interpret/create the filenames the 
system APIs need.

> Im puzzled that this problem hasnt been raised before. Surely the 
> vast majority of website host
> providers use Linux servers, and the Dreamhost configuration for shared 
> hosting is most likely
> standard. So has no-one in Europe (or Asia..) using LC Server wanted to 
> create native-language
> filenames? I think LC Server is a magnificent tool, but perhaps it is 
> not as widely used as it
> deserves! Or: they all found the fix and havent told us.

This is almost certainly a server setup/config thing - I guess apache 
(by default) runs CGIs in the most 'raw' environment possible by 
default.

The observation about Wordpress is interesting - certainly before PHP 
was 'unicodified' - the encoding of filenames was up to the script - 
i.e. you had to to encode/decode filenames appropriately yourself and I 
guess utf-8 was just assumed. With PHP7 I believe it handles unicode 
transparently a bit like LC does, so I'll see if I can see what PHP7+ 
uses to determine the system encoding. Indeed, it might do no harm at 
all to just assume UTF-8 encoding for Linux in the engine if the locale 
vars are not set (which appears to be the case here) which would resolve 
the problem transparently.

Warmest Regards,

Mark.

-- 
Mark Waddingham ~ mark at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
LiveCode: Build Amazing Things


From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Tue Aug 15 07:08:06 2023
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2023 12:08:06 +0100
Subject: Browser widget: "Navigation request cancelled"
Message-ID: <706baeb4-f0f0-5fd3-9358-d0e3181ad045@cogapp.com>

Trying to use the browser widget to access an internal site, I'm having a lot 
of trouble.

If I send it (by setting the URL property of the widget) to the root of the 
hostname, it loads the page succesfully, although the widget gets a 
browserDocumentLoadFailed message "navigation request cancelled".

If I set the URL property to some pages within the site, they load succesfully 
without that message.

If I set the URL property to some other pages, they do not load, and that 
message is received.

It's completely consistent which URLs work, and which don't.

If I send the widget to a URL which works, I can navigate anywhere within the 
site without problems, including to the URLs which don't work using set.

I haven't managed to pin down what distinguishes the working URLs from 
non-working. All the non-working ones I've found involve query parameters; but 
some of the working ones do also.

My question is: how can I debug this issue? Are there any ways to get insight 
into the loading process?

I am catching and reporting these messages:
	browserDocumentLoadFailed
	browserDocumentLoadComplete
	browserNavigateFailed
	browserNavigateComplete
	browserUnhandledLoadRequest

... but the only ones that trigger are either browserDocumentLoadFailed or 
browserUnhandledLoadRequest, or browserDocumentLoadComplete - always with the 
parameter being the requested URL. I'm guessing, though I might be wrong, that 
the issue is actually with one of the elements being requested by the 
document, but this is never in the parameter.

Additionally, browserProgressChanged never seems to be sent.

Is it possible to get any more detail about what's going on?

TIA,

Ben


From mark at livecode.com  Tue Aug 15 07:17:36 2023
From: mark at livecode.com (Mark Waddingham)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2023 12:17:36 +0100
Subject: Browser widget: "Navigation request cancelled"
In-Reply-To: <706baeb4-f0f0-5fd3-9358-d0e3181ad045@cogapp.com>
References: <706baeb4-f0f0-5fd3-9358-d0e3181ad045@cogapp.com>
Message-ID: <beaddd5da9787544b959cdc5b40b0546@livecode.com>

On 2023-08-15 12:08, Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode wrote:
> Is it possible to get any more detail about what's going on?

I'm guessing you are using 10-dp-5 :)

The issues here are regressions caused by the switch to WKWebView in 10 
(previously we used the older WebView system web browser API):

The missing progressChanged messages issue is 
https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=24271

The missing other messages issue is 
https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=24247

The latter is related to server vs local redirects in the web page.

Both should be fixed in the upcoming 10-dp-6.

Warmest Regards,

Mark.

-- 
Mark Waddingham ~ mark at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
LiveCode: Build Amazing Things


From dsc at swcp.com  Tue Aug 15 09:46:43 2023
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2023 07:46:43 -0600
Subject: JSON
In-Reply-To: <BDDB5B6F-5179-42D6-96DF-3006D7E0BB7C@me.com>
References: <6D0C53CB-4658-4911-96DE-370B5BA6E3EB@swcp.com>
 <BDDB5B6F-5179-42D6-96DF-3006D7E0BB7C@me.com>
Message-ID: <9C25DFE8-3B1D-4BD1-916F-9CD012283140@swcp.com>

Thanks, Tore!

I found these in the dictionary. For JsonImport I noted this:

The return value may be any of the following types, depending on the content of the file:

Array (for a JSON object)
List (for a JSON array)
String (for a JSON string)
Number (for any JSON number)
Boolean (for JSON true or false)
nothing (for JSON null)
How would an array of objects be translated? What is nothing?

Dar


> On Aug 14, 2023, at 10:58 PM, Tore Nilsen via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> JsonImport will make an array of your JSON data, whereas JsonExport will turn your array into JSON data. Not much fiddling there.
> 
> Best regards
> Tore Nilsen
> 
>> 15. aug. 2023 kl. 02:07 skrev Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>> 
>> 
>> I’m about write some scripts that fiddle with JSON. I have some old stacks of mine about someplace. But, I got to thinking there might be something faster about someplace. Ideas?
>> 
>> Dar
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From tore.nilsen at me.com  Tue Aug 15 10:03:13 2023
From: tore.nilsen at me.com (Tore Nilsen)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2023 16:03:13 +0200
Subject: JSON
In-Reply-To: <9C25DFE8-3B1D-4BD1-916F-9CD012283140@swcp.com>
References: <6D0C53CB-4658-4911-96DE-370B5BA6E3EB@swcp.com>
 <BDDB5B6F-5179-42D6-96DF-3006D7E0BB7C@me.com>
 <9C25DFE8-3B1D-4BD1-916F-9CD012283140@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <15D33484-F79F-43EB-9F2B-38C01F74DABB@me.com>

An array of object would be turned into a multidimensional  array with value pairs in LiveCode. Depending on the source the main keys may be numeric or assosiative, like in these examples:

contriesArray[1][name]
contriesArray[1][capitol]
contriesArray[1][inhabitants]

Or 

contriesArray[«Norway"][capitol]
contriesArray[«Norway»][inhabitants]

Tore


> 15. aug. 2023 kl. 15:46 skrev Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Thanks, Tore!
> 
> I found these in the dictionary. For JsonImport I noted this:
> 
> The return value may be any of the following types, depending on the content of the file:
> 
> Array (for a JSON object)
> List (for a JSON array)
> String (for a JSON string)
> Number (for any JSON number)
> Boolean (for JSON true or false)
> nothing (for JSON null)
> How would an array of objects be translated? What is nothing?
> 
> Dar
> 
> 
>> On Aug 14, 2023, at 10:58 PM, Tore Nilsen via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> JsonImport will make an array of your JSON data, whereas JsonExport will turn your array into JSON data. Not much fiddling there.
>> 
>> Best regards
>> Tore Nilsen
>> 
>>> 15. aug. 2023 kl. 02:07 skrev Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I’m about write some scripts that fiddle with JSON. I have some old stacks of mine about someplace. But, I got to thinking there might be something faster about someplace. Ideas?
>>> 
>>> Dar
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From dan at clearvisiontech.com  Tue Aug 15 10:48:01 2023
From: dan at clearvisiontech.com (Dan Friedman)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2023 14:48:01 +0000
Subject: Oddities with iOS IAP
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq-iKB_pNpzkkn0jEJUwKheSLTfBupW0Co+AEqQivve+HQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E5AA10DB-86D7-4F58-9975-777FFD510042@optusnet.com.au>
 <BYAPR12MB2709E835086A8746A977C2FAB917A@BYAPR12MB2709.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
 <CA+JfEq-iKB_pNpzkkn0jEJUwKheSLTfBupW0Co+AEqQivve+HQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BYAPR12MB2709BA4141291AD00FF37263B914A@BYAPR12MB2709.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>

Panos,

Thank you for the reply.   Here is my code…. You click a button, and it calls startInAppPurchase with the number of credits to purchase.  After all is done, pLog is completely empty.  This is working perfectly on Android.

on startInAppPurchase numCredits
  //setup purchase id
  if numCredits = 1 then
    put 1001 into productID
    put "$0.99" into productAmount
  else if numCredits = 2 then
    put 1002 into productID
    put "$1.99" into productAmount
  else if numCredits = 3 then
    put 1003 into productID
    put "$2.99" into productAmount
  else if numCredits = 11 then
    put 1011 into productID
    put "$9.99" into productAmount
  end if

  //confirm with user
  if numCredits = 1 then
    put "Are you sure you want to purchase 1 credit for" && productAmount & "?" into pString
  else
    put "Are you sure you want to purchase" && numCredits && "credits for" && productAmount & "?" into pString
  end if
  if myAnswer(pString,"Cancel|Buy Now","Purchase Confirmation","|appBlue") = "Cancel" then // <-- custom answer dialog
    exit startInAppPurchase
  end if

  //initiate the purchase
  mobileStoreEnablePurchaseUpdates
  mobileStoreSetProductType productID,"inapp"
  mobileStoreMakePurchase productID,"1","testPayload - Android Only"
end startInAppPurchase

on purchaseStateUpdate pPurchaseID,pProductID,pState
  global user
  global pLog

  put pState & cr after pLog

  switch pState
    case "paymentReceived" //2,1001,paymentReceived
      //tell our server is was successful and log users credits to database
      if isIPhone() then
        put mobileStoreProductProperty(pProductID,"transactionIdentifier") into tIdentifier
        get db_verifyPurchase(pProductID,tIdentifier)
      else
        //android handled in case "complete"
      end if

      mobileStoreConfirmPurchase pProductID //Inform the store that the purchase identifier productID was successfully delivered
      mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
      loadMeUp //refresh our display
      break
    case "error"
      answer "Error occured during purchase handling:" & return & return & mobileStorePurchaseError(pPurchaseID)
      mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
      break
    case "invalidSKU"
      answer "Invalid SKU."
      mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
      break
    case "alreadyEntitled"
      answer "Already Owned."
      mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
      break
    case "restored"
      answer "restored"
      offerPurchasedProduct pProductID
      mobileStoreConfirmPurchase pProductID
      mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
      loadMeUp
      break
    case "canceled"
    case "cancelled"
      answer "Purchase Cancelled:" && pProductID
      mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
      break
    case "complete"
      if isAndroid() then
        put mobileStoreProductProperty(pProductID,"orderId") into orderId
        mobileStoreConsumePurchase pProductID
        get db_verifyPurchase(pProductID,orderId)
      end if

      mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
      break
  end switch
end purchaseStateUpdate


Thank you!
-Dan


From: use-livecode <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com> on behalf of panagiotis m via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Date: Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 1:33 AM
To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Cc: panagiotis m <merakosp at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Oddities with iOS IAP
Hello Dan,

Could you share the code that makes the purchase, as well as the
purchaseStateUpdate message?

Although, my guess is that this is rather a TestFlight issue, since if it
was an issue in LC's API for in-app purchase on iOS, it would have been
reported
ready.

Kind regards,
Panos
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From merakosp at gmail.com  Tue Aug 15 13:22:34 2023
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis m)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2023 20:22:34 +0300
Subject: Oddities with iOS IAP
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR12MB2709BA4141291AD00FF37263B914A@BYAPR12MB2709.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
References: <E5AA10DB-86D7-4F58-9975-777FFD510042@optusnet.com.au>
 <BYAPR12MB2709E835086A8746A977C2FAB917A@BYAPR12MB2709.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
 <CA+JfEq-iKB_pNpzkkn0jEJUwKheSLTfBupW0Co+AEqQivve+HQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <BYAPR12MB2709BA4141291AD00FF37263B914A@BYAPR12MB2709.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq8zAiWRyV9zhTP8hC2-GAZXDiEZk+gb4pekg_6GtHm-9A@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Dan,

Just a rough guess, in the purchaseStateUpdate msg, you have:

 mobileStoreConfirmPurchase pProductID //Inform the store that the purchase
identifier productID was successfully delivered
 mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates

in both cases for paymentReceived and restored.

Could you try commenting out the mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates in these
2 cases? Once you call mobileStoreConfirmPurchase, it informs the store
that the purchase was successful, and then the store sends another
"purchaseStateUpdate" with state=complete.

But if you call mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates just after
mobileStoreConfirmPurchase then this stops the communication with the
store. I suggest having mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates just in the
"complete" case and remove it from "paymentReceived" and "restored".

Note that on Android (if I remember correctly)
mobileStoreEnablePurchaseUpdates/mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates do not
actually do something - but they are added for consistency.

If you do this change, and still see the delay, then it is likely a
TestFlight/Sandbox issue. Note that Apple's sandbox servers are slower than
the actual ones used by StoreKit.
(e.g.
https://community.revenuecat.com/sdks-51/testflight-clicking-subscriptions-or-iaps-has-long-delay-2687
)

kind regards,
Panos
--


On Tue, 15 Aug 2023 at 17:49, Dan Friedman via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Panos,
>
> Thank you for the reply.   Here is my code…. You click a button, and it
> calls startInAppPurchase with the number of credits to purchase.  After all
> is done, pLog is completely empty.  This is working perfectly on Android.
>
> on startInAppPurchase numCredits
>   //setup purchase id
>   if numCredits = 1 then
>     put 1001 into productID
>     put "$0.99" into productAmount
>   else if numCredits = 2 then
>     put 1002 into productID
>     put "$1.99" into productAmount
>   else if numCredits = 3 then
>     put 1003 into productID
>     put "$2.99" into productAmount
>   else if numCredits = 11 then
>     put 1011 into productID
>     put "$9.99" into productAmount
>   end if
>
>   //confirm with user
>   if numCredits = 1 then
>     put "Are you sure you want to purchase 1 credit for" && productAmount
> & "?" into pString
>   else
>     put "Are you sure you want to purchase" && numCredits && "credits for"
> && productAmount & "?" into pString
>   end if
>   if myAnswer(pString,"Cancel|Buy Now","Purchase Confirmation","|appBlue")
> = "Cancel" then // <-- custom answer dialog
>     exit startInAppPurchase
>   end if
>
>   //initiate the purchase
>   mobileStoreEnablePurchaseUpdates
>   mobileStoreSetProductType productID,"inapp"
>   mobileStoreMakePurchase productID,"1","testPayload - Android Only"
> end startInAppPurchase
>
> on purchaseStateUpdate pPurchaseID,pProductID,pState
>   global user
>   global pLog
>
>   put pState & cr after pLog
>
>   switch pState
>     case "paymentReceived" //2,1001,paymentReceived
>       //tell our server is was successful and log users credits to database
>       if isIPhone() then
>         put mobileStoreProductProperty(pProductID,"transactionIdentifier")
> into tIdentifier
>         get db_verifyPurchase(pProductID,tIdentifier)
>       else
>         //android handled in case "complete"
>       end if
>
>       mobileStoreConfirmPurchase pProductID //Inform the store that the
> purchase identifier productID was successfully delivered
>       mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
>       loadMeUp //refresh our display
>       break
>     case "error"
>       answer "Error occured during purchase handling:" & return & return &
> mobileStorePurchaseError(pPurchaseID)
>       mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
>       break
>     case "invalidSKU"
>       answer "Invalid SKU."
>       mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
>       break
>     case "alreadyEntitled"
>       answer "Already Owned."
>       mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
>       break
>     case "restored"
>       answer "restored"
>       offerPurchasedProduct pProductID
>       mobileStoreConfirmPurchase pProductID
>       mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
>       loadMeUp
>       break
>     case "canceled"
>     case "cancelled"
>       answer "Purchase Cancelled:" && pProductID
>       mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
>       break
>     case "complete"
>       if isAndroid() then
>         put mobileStoreProductProperty(pProductID,"orderId") into orderId
>         mobileStoreConsumePurchase pProductID
>         get db_verifyPurchase(pProductID,orderId)
>       end if
>
>       mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
>       break
>   end switch
> end purchaseStateUpdate
>
>
> Thank you!
> -Dan
>
>
> From: use-livecode <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com> on behalf of
> panagiotis m via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Date: Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 1:33 AM
> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Cc: panagiotis m <merakosp at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Oddities with iOS IAP
> Hello Dan,
>
> Could you share the code that makes the purchase, as well as the
> purchaseStateUpdate message?
>
> Although, my guess is that this is rather a TestFlight issue, since if it
> was an issue in LC's API for in-app purchase on iOS, it would have been
> reported
> ready.
>
> Kind regards,
> Panos
> --
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From dan at clearvisiontech.com  Tue Aug 15 18:22:36 2023
From: dan at clearvisiontech.com (Dan Friedman)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2023 22:22:36 +0000
Subject: Oddities with iOS IAP
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq8zAiWRyV9zhTP8hC2-GAZXDiEZk+gb4pekg_6GtHm-9A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E5AA10DB-86D7-4F58-9975-777FFD510042@optusnet.com.au>
 <BYAPR12MB2709E835086A8746A977C2FAB917A@BYAPR12MB2709.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
 <CA+JfEq-iKB_pNpzkkn0jEJUwKheSLTfBupW0Co+AEqQivve+HQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <BYAPR12MB2709BA4141291AD00FF37263B914A@BYAPR12MB2709.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
 <CA+JfEq8zAiWRyV9zhTP8hC2-GAZXDiEZk+gb4pekg_6GtHm-9A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BYAPR12MB2709444AD6F5B417FBFA9925B914A@BYAPR12MB2709.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>

Panos,

Ok… seems to be working now.   I’m no longer getting “completed”, but I am consistently getting “paymentRecieved”… and I can make that work.   Obviously, I don’t really understand how this all works… but it’s working!

Thank you again for your help!
-Dan


From: use-livecode <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com> on behalf of panagiotis m via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Date: Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 10:24 AM
To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Cc: panagiotis m <merakosp at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Oddities with iOS IAP
Hello Dan,

Just a rough guess, in the purchaseStateUpdate msg, you have:

 mobileStoreConfirmPurchase pProductID //Inform the store that the purchase
identifier productID was successfully delivered
 mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates

in both cases for paymentReceived and restored.

Could you try commenting out the mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates in these
2 cases? Once you call mobileStoreConfirmPurchase, it informs the store
that the purchase was successful, and then the store sends another
"purchaseStateUpdate" with state=complete.

But if you call mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates just after
mobileStoreConfirmPurchase then this stops the communication with the
store. I suggest having mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates just in the
"complete" case and remove it from "paymentReceived" and "restored".

Note that on Android (if I remember correctly)
mobileStoreEnablePurchaseUpdates/mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates do not
actually do something - but they are added for consistency.

If you do this change, and still see the delay, then it is likely a
TestFlight/Sandbox issue. Note that Apple's sandbox servers are slower than
the actual ones used by StoreKit.
(e.g.
https://community.revenuecat.com/sdks-51/testflight-clicking-subscriptions-or-iaps-has-long-delay-2687
)

kind regards,
Panos

From neville.smythe at optusnet.com.au  Wed Aug 16 01:37:45 2023
From: neville.smythe at optusnet.com.au (Neville Smythe)
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2023 15:37:45 +1000
Subject: Linux filenames in LC Server
Message-ID: <CA5CD531-6DD7-481D-8A50-1294B6E42A68@optusnet.com.au>

Thanks Mark for semi-unfuddling me. It’s good to know that textEncode/Decode is not to blame.

But if I may try everyones' patience a little further

> In the case of Linux what encoding such 'sys strings' need to use 
> depends on the environment - the encoding *could* be anything and thus 
> the engine uses the UNIX 'iconv' library to convert from internal 
> representation to the encoded bytes needed. I think this is what is 
> causing the failure of the file APIs - iconv is refusing to convert a 
> string with non-ascii characters to the 'default' 'C' locale as it can't 
> (there is no mapping from, say, e-acute to ascii).

So I misunderstood, I thought we were talking about Apache environment variables. Indeed the Terminal app reports

LANG=C

as a system env variable. But if this is not specifically a server problem, wouldn’t that mean we could see the same behaviour with LC Desktop on Linux machines running vanilla Ubuntu or Debian (which is what Dreamhost uses)? I haven’t tried this yet, as it is a bit of pain to fire up my Linux emulator machine.

An experiment, which make me wonder if this counts as a configuration problem or an actual bug in LC Server:

 In Terminal I type (actually paste) and execute

 echo “éü😃” > Carré.txt 

    (for Forum users like me who just see ? everywhere, that is [e-acute][u-umlaut][happyface emoji] in the content to be written to a file with [e-acute] in its name)

   This works without problem. The contents of the file are utf-8 encoded, which I didn’t need to specify, but I guess that is what the pasteboard provided. Terminal had no problem creating or finding the file without needing those env settings. Of course it cannot *display* the file name without knowing the encoding, so ls reports the filename as 'Carr'$'\303\251''.txt’ ( readable as an ascii encoding, though not one I have seen before; note the single quotes)

     If I setup the env variables Mark suggests in the Terminal session

export LC_ALL="en_US.UTF8"
export LANG=“en_US.UTF8”

then Terminal is able to display the filename á la française.

      Cyberduck reports this filename correctly using the [e-acute] without having to set encoding knowledge. And I can also create the file using Cyberduck with no problems. So IT knows about/expects/sets up the encoding as needed. I bet other Linux-aware apps would also open or list such files without drama or special configuration.

   However: in LC Server when I call "the long files" for the enclosing folder: crash! (Actually an in-line error reported for this code line). To my mind that qualifies as a bug, even if the source of the crash is the same as for open file.

   On the other hand hopefully setting the environment variables as Mark suggests will fix everything . Mark, could I clarify exactly how that “launcher script” is to be used… I’m guessing the cgi configuration should point to that file to be executed when it wants to open myscript.lc instead of pointing to the livecode-server executable (in which case it might have to have a .cgi suffix rather than .txt), or is it a shell script to be executed by livecode-server?

Neville Smythe





From mark at livecode.com  Wed Aug 16 03:34:23 2023
From: mark at livecode.com (Mark Waddingham)
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2023 08:34:23 +0100
Subject: Linux filenames in LC Server
In-Reply-To: <CA5CD531-6DD7-481D-8A50-1294B6E42A68@optusnet.com.au>
References: <CA5CD531-6DD7-481D-8A50-1294B6E42A68@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <f783bcfc15ac88eab0490269b09c3de8@livecode.com>

On 2023-08-16 06:37, Neville Smythe via use-livecode wrote:
> So I misunderstood, I thought we were talking about Apache environment 
> variables. Indeed the Terminal app reports
> 
> LANG=C
> 
> as a system env variable. But if this is not specifically a server 
> problem, wouldnt
> that mean we could see the same behaviour with LC Desktop on Linux 
> machines running
> vanilla Ubuntu or Debian (which is what Dreamhost uses)? I havent 
> tried this yet,
> as it is a bit of pain to fire up my Linux emulator machine.

So the situation here is similar to that which you get on macOS. If you 
open Terminal, then the (UNIX) environment (variable-wise) which you get 
will be different from that you get when you double-click on an app to 
launch it. In the latter case, the executable is launched via the 
desktop environments 'launcher' process and will inherit the environment 
provided by that. Presumably, as Linux desktops mandate various things 
(like language settings), the locale and environment vars will be set 
appropriately.

> An experiment, which make me wonder if this counts as a configuration 
> problem or an actual bug in LC Server:
> 
>  In Terminal I type (actually paste) and execute
> 
>  echo  > Carr.txt
> 
>     (for Forum users like me who just see ? everywhere, that is 
> [e-acute][u-umlaut][happyface emoji] in the content to be written to a 
> file with [e-acute] in its name)
> 
>    This works without problem. The contents of the file are utf-8 
> encoded, which I didnt
> need to specify, but I guess that is what the pasteboard provided. 
> Terminal had no problem
> creating or finding the file without needing those env settings. Of 
> course it cannot *display*
> the file name without knowing the encoding, so ls reports the filename 
> as 'Carr'$'\303\251''.txt
> ( readable as an ascii encoding, though not one I have seen before; 
> note the single quotes)

I'm guessing here that this is a remote ssh session to your Linux 
server, and you are using macOS Terminal app to run and connect? If that 
is the case then the reason this works is because Terminal on macOS is 
UTF-8 (which is the *only* encoding macOS supports in its UNIX subsystem 
so you don't get the variance problem you do with Linux). This means 
that pasting text from somewhere else will paste the UTF-8 bytes - i.e. 
they will get transmitted over SSH to the remote linux machine.

As filenames are just sequences of bytes on Linux this works fine - 
however when you ask the remote terminal to list the files, it can only 
interpret the ascii chars (as the LANG is C) and thus emits octal 
escapes for the others - here this ix 0xC3 0xA9 which is the utf-8 
encoding of e-acute.

> If I setup the env variables Mark suggests in the Terminal session
> 
> export LC_ALL="en_US.UTF8"
> export LANG=en_US.UTF8
> 
> then Terminal is able to display the filename  la franaise.

So now the remote terminal knows how to interpret the sequences of bytes 
present in the filenames, and thus can emit them appropriately.

> Cyberduck reports this filename correctly using the [e-acute] without 
> having to set encoding
> knowledge. And I can also create the file using Cyberduck with no 
> problems. So IT knows about/expects/sets
> up the encoding as needed. I bet other Linux-aware apps would also open 
> or list such files without
> drama or special configuration.

IT doesn't know - it assumes. I suspect that if you used Cyberduck to 
connect to a Linux server which is setup to *not* be utf-8 (so filenames 
are encoded with some other encoding), then it would display things 
incorrectly.

Of course, if the protocols it deals with specify the text encoding as 
utf-8 *and* the daemons running on said server are setup correctly (i.e. 
so that they process the filenames and such relative to the server's 
encoding) *and* they correctly convert the filenames from that encoding 
to the encoding mandated by the protocol then it would display fine.

Certainly FTP treats filenames as sequences of bytes - so at least for 
that protocol the client would have to assume UTF-8 or be told the 
correct encoding to do the correct thing.

> However: in LC Server when I call "the long files" for the enclosing 
> folder: crash!
> (Actually an in-line error reported for this code line). To my mind 
> that qualifies as
> bug, even if the source of the crash is the same as for open file.

I take it by crash you mean a runtime error is logged, and that this 
only happens if the LANG / LC_ALL environment variables are not set?

This is the same issue as opening a file - the low-level text encoding 
from ASCII to the internal encoding used by strings in the engine will 
be failing because it encounters non-ASCII.

>    On the other hand hopefully setting the environment variables as 
> Mark suggests will
> fix everything . Mark, could I clarify exactly how that launcher 
> script is to be used
> Im guessing the cgi configuration should point to that file to be 
> executed when it wants
> to open myscript.lc instead of pointing to the livecode-server 
> executable (in which case
> it might have to have a .cgi suffix rather than .txt), or is it a shell 
> script to be
> executed by livecode-server?

The provided text should be put into a shell script which should be 
launched *instead* of livecode-server - so configure your CGI 
environment to call said shell script when it encounters a lc server 
script file to run. It will then set environment variables and then 
'exec' replaces the shell script with livecode-server (in the same 
process).

Technically while what the engine is doing is correct (relative to its 
need to have filenames represented as strings internally at least) it 
isn't ideal. There are two options to improve the situation (when the 
locale env vars are not set / set to C):

   1) Rather than assume ASCII, assume native - this would preserve the 
bytes in the filename regardless of system encoding.
   2) Rather than assume ASCII, assume utf-8 - this would correctly 
represent filenames which are valid UTF-8, but would still fail on 
filenames with bad encoding

Here (1) has the advantage that filenames would be preserved; but with 
the slight caveat that if you combined with other unicode characters (in 
a report say); the filenames would be displayed incorrectly (here 
'display' would also include being sent as part of some protocol 
response).

Here (2) has the advantage of everything working as expected assuming 
the server in question is utf-8 - it would still fail on filenames which 
are badly encoded though. However the latter could be mitigated by 
making the sys-string<->lc-string conversion slightly less strict - i.e. 
bad utf-8 chars map to/from '?' as they do in textEncode/Decode - so at 
least you could see the bad filenames.

I suspect (2) is overall better - its only downside is that you would 
not be able to manipulate files on the server which had badly encoded 
utf-8 names. However, that seems like an extreme edge case; and one 
which you could work around by just setting the LANG env var to a native 
encoding and put appropriate code in your app to deal with.

Warmest Regards,

Mark.

-- 
Mark Waddingham ~ mark at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
LiveCode: Build Amazing Things


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Aug 16 11:18:30 2023
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2023 15:18:30 +0000
Subject: Linux filenames in LC Server
In-Reply-To: <f783bcfc15ac88eab0490269b09c3de8@livecode.com>
References: <CA5CD531-6DD7-481D-8A50-1294B6E42A68@optusnet.com.au>
 <f783bcfc15ac88eab0490269b09c3de8@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <AD1DEAD7-9D1B-4BBA-B9C4-DAEE54629C19@iotecdigital.com>

Hah! This reminds me of a time when Windows would allow files with names that were legal for Mac to be written to its own file system who’s filenames were NOT legal. The result is you could save the files, but you could never access or delete them, neither could you delete any folder that contained them. They had to write utilities to rename such files and they weren't 100% successful.

Bob S


On Aug 16, 2023, at 12:34 AM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

I suspect (2) is overall better - its only downside is that you would not be able to manipulate files on the server which had badly encoded utf-8 names. However, that seems like an extreme edge case; and one which you could work around by just setting the LANG env var to a native encoding and put appropriate code in your app to deal with.

Warmest Regards,

Mark.

--
Mark Waddingham ~ mark at livecode.com<mailto:mark at livecode.com> ~ http://www.livecode.com/
LiveCode: Build Amazing Things


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Aug 16 12:30:56 2023
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2023 16:30:56 +0000
Subject: Setting focus after tab
Message-ID: <E0617581-DE8A-4AD3-95F8-38745A2E0EC0@iotecdigital.com>

Hi all. 

Something curious that has been going on for a while. When I tab from field 1 to field 2, I have code that populates field 2 in some circumstances, then checks to see if field 2 is empty, then focuses on field 2 if it is, or fiend 3 if it’s not. In other words I am trying to focus on the next empty field. 

This never works if I am tabbing, BUT if I set a breakpoint and step through the code, IT DOES WORK! I think this is because the tab-to-next-field native LC code is executing AFTER my code runs. Exit to top does not have an effect. 

Anyone else seeing this behavior? 

Bob S


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Aug 16 12:49:16 2023
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2023 16:49:16 +0000
Subject: Setting focus after tab
In-Reply-To: <E0617581-DE8A-4AD3-95F8-38745A2E0EC0@iotecdigital.com>
References: <E0617581-DE8A-4AD3-95F8-38745A2E0EC0@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <C9F4CFCF-ADF0-4C80-B5AC-90E479F84724@iotecdigital.com>

<sigh> never mind. I just tested this with a new stack and it works the way it’s supposed to. I must have a script that is doing this. 

Bob S


> On Aug 16, 2023, at 9:30 AM, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi all. 
> 
> Something curious that has been going on for a while. When I tab from field 1 to field 2, I have code that populates field 2 in some circumstances, then checks to see if field 2 is empty, then focuses on field 2 if it is, or fiend 3 if it’s not. In other words I am trying to focus on the next empty field. 
> 
> This never works if I am tabbing, BUT if I set a breakpoint and step through the code, IT DOES WORK! I think this is because the tab-to-next-field native LC code is executing AFTER my code runs. Exit to top does not have an effect. 
> 
> Anyone else seeing this behavior? 
> 
> Bob S
> 


From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Wed Aug 16 19:33:16 2023
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2023 01:33:16 +0200
Subject: Linux filenames in LC Server
In-Reply-To: <f783bcfc15ac88eab0490269b09c3de8@livecode.com>
References: <CA5CD531-6DD7-481D-8A50-1294B6E42A68@optusnet.com.au>
 <f783bcfc15ac88eab0490269b09c3de8@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <12E0AE86-346F-441C-9CB1-394CC762E3E3@m-r-d.de>

It seems it is possible to set environment vars  using redirect rules in .htaccess.

I added the following lines to my .htaccess

RewriteEngine on
RewriteRule \.(lc) - [E=LANG:de_DE.UTF-8]

the 2nd line or better tells Apache not to redirect, but to 'use'  the flag [E=....]  when an .lc file is "requested".
The flag allows to set an environment variable.  E=LANG:de_DE.UTF-8        tells apache to set the variable LANG  to the value de_DE.UTF-8
It's even possible to set cookies that way using a cookie tag.

With those 2 lines i did not receive the 'can't open file'  error anymore and the file with a non-ascii filename, in my script testä.txt, was created by the .lc script.
In my ftp client the file testä.txt is shown as testä.txt, but i can access the file from LCserver still with its original name testä.txt



> Am 16.08.2023 um 09:34 schrieb Mark Waddingham via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> On 2023-08-16 06:37, Neville Smythe via use-livecode wrote:
>> So I misunderstood, I thought we were talking about Apache environment variables. Indeed the Terminal app reports
>> LANG=C
>> as a system env variable. But if this is not specifically a server problem, wouldn’t
>> that mean we could see the same behaviour with LC Desktop on Linux machines running
>> vanilla Ubuntu or Debian (which is what Dreamhost uses)? I haven’t tried this yet,
>> as it is a bit of pain to fire up my Linux emulator machine.
> 
> So the situation here is similar to that which you get on macOS. If you open Terminal, then the (UNIX) environment (variable-wise) which you get will be different from that you get when you double-click on an app to launch it. In the latter case, the executable is launched via the desktop environments 'launcher' process and will inherit the environment provided by that. Presumably, as Linux desktops mandate various things (like language settings), the locale and environment vars will be set appropriately.
> 
>> An experiment, which make me wonder if this counts as a configuration problem or an actual bug in LC Server:
>> In Terminal I type (actually paste) and execute
>> echo “éü😃” > Carré.txt
>>    (for Forum users like me who just see ? everywhere, that is [e-acute][u-umlaut][happyface emoji] in the content to be written to a file with [e-acute] in its name)
>>   This works without problem. The contents of the file are utf-8 encoded, which I didn’t
>> need to specify, but I guess that is what the pasteboard provided. Terminal had no problem
>> creating or finding the file without needing those env settings. Of course it cannot *display*
>> the file name without knowing the encoding, so ls reports the filename as 'Carr'$'\303\251''.txt’
>> ( readable as an ascii encoding, though not one I have seen before; note the single quotes)
> 
> I'm guessing here that this is a remote ssh session to your Linux server, and you are using macOS Terminal app to run and connect? If that is the case then the reason this works is because Terminal on macOS is UTF-8 (which is the *only* encoding macOS supports in its UNIX subsystem so you don't get the variance problem you do with Linux). This means that pasting text from somewhere else will paste the UTF-8 bytes - i.e. they will get transmitted over SSH to the remote linux machine.
> 
> As filenames are just sequences of bytes on Linux this works fine - however when you ask the remote terminal to list the files, it can only interpret the ascii chars (as the LANG is C) and thus emits octal escapes for the others - here this ix 0xC3 0xA9 which is the utf-8 encoding of e-acute.
> 
>> If I setup the env variables Mark suggests in the Terminal session
>> export LC_ALL="en_US.UTF8"
>> export LANG=“en_US.UTF8”
>> then Terminal is able to display the filename á la française.
> 
> So now the remote terminal knows how to interpret the sequences of bytes present in the filenames, and thus can emit them appropriately.
> 
>> Cyberduck reports this filename correctly using the [e-acute] without having to set encoding
>> knowledge. And I can also create the file using Cyberduck with no problems. So IT knows about/expects/sets
>> up the encoding as needed. I bet other Linux-aware apps would also open or list such files without
>> drama or special configuration.
> 
> IT doesn't know - it assumes. I suspect that if you used Cyberduck to connect to a Linux server which is setup to *not* be utf-8 (so filenames are encoded with some other encoding), then it would display things incorrectly.
> 
> Of course, if the protocols it deals with specify the text encoding as utf-8 *and* the daemons running on said server are setup correctly (i.e. so that they process the filenames and such relative to the server's encoding) *and* they correctly convert the filenames from that encoding to the encoding mandated by the protocol then it would display fine.
> 
> Certainly FTP treats filenames as sequences of bytes - so at least for that protocol the client would have to assume UTF-8 or be told the correct encoding to do the correct thing.
> 
>> However: in LC Server when I call "the long files" for the enclosing folder: crash!
>> (Actually an in-line error reported for this code line). To my mind that qualifies as
>> bug, even if the source of the crash is the same as for open file.
> 
> I take it by crash you mean a runtime error is logged, and that this only happens if the LANG / LC_ALL environment variables are not set?
> 
> This is the same issue as opening a file - the low-level text encoding from ASCII to the internal encoding used by strings in the engine will be failing because it encounters non-ASCII.
> 
>>   On the other hand hopefully setting the environment variables as Mark suggests will
>> fix everything . Mark, could I clarify exactly how that “launcher script” is to be used…
>> I’m guessing the cgi configuration should point to that file to be executed when it wants
>> to open myscript.lc instead of pointing to the livecode-server executable (in which case
>> it might have to have a .cgi suffix rather than .txt), or is it a shell script to be
>> executed by livecode-server?
> 
> The provided text should be put into a shell script which should be launched *instead* of livecode-server - so configure your CGI environment to call said shell script when it encounters a lc server script file to run. It will then set environment variables and then 'exec' replaces the shell script with livecode-server (in the same process).
> 
> Technically while what the engine is doing is correct (relative to its need to have filenames represented as strings internally at least) it isn't ideal. There are two options to improve the situation (when the locale env vars are not set / set to C):
> 
>  1) Rather than assume ASCII, assume native - this would preserve the bytes in the filename regardless of system encoding.
>  2) Rather than assume ASCII, assume utf-8 - this would correctly represent filenames which are valid UTF-8, but would still fail on filenames with bad encoding
> 
> Here (1) has the advantage that filenames would be preserved; but with the slight caveat that if you combined with other unicode characters (in a report say); the filenames would be displayed incorrectly (here 'display' would also include being sent as part of some protocol response).
> 
> Here (2) has the advantage of everything working as expected assuming the server in question is utf-8 - it would still fail on filenames which are badly encoded though. However the latter could be mitigated by making the sys-string<->lc-string conversion slightly less strict - i.e. bad utf-8 chars map to/from '?' as they do in textEncode/Decode - so at least you could see the bad filenames.
> 
> I suspect (2) is overall better - its only downside is that you would not be able to manipulate files on the server which had badly encoded utf-8 names. However, that seems like an extreme edge case; and one which you could work around by just setting the LANG env var to a native encoding and put appropriate code in your app to deal with.
> 
> Warmest Regards,
> 
> Mark.
> 
> -- 
> Mark Waddingham ~ mark at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
> LiveCode: Build Amazing Things
> 
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From harrison at all-auctions.com  Wed Aug 16 21:27:40 2023
From: harrison at all-auctions.com (harrison at all-auctions.com)
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2023 21:27:40 -0400
Subject: LC 9.6.9 App uses too much memory!
In-Reply-To: <332932d5c6b5963e704c40816aec8145@livecode.com>
References: <903ADB0E-1E82-44C9-96A1-C4FE62EC10B9@optusnet.com.au>
 <848FFA3D-F8BA-45F1-8595-B4742FE107B9@all-auctions.com>
 <332932d5c6b5963e704c40816aec8145@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <63F06F78-904E-485F-8A48-6A9EC1A67017@all-auctions.com>

Hi Mark,

It was a very old stack that used the Player object.
It had start and stop buttons that I had created,
and a couple of scrollbar objects for quick value
scrubbing and playing.

There was some rather odd behavior with the
toggle controller where the 9.6.9 version was
the flip flop of the 9.6.8 version.  Other than
that I couldn’t see any noticeable differences.

I was able to reconstruct this simple stack
in LC 9.6.9 and have it function properly,
when made from scratch.

Perhaps the old stack had some unseen
corruption or something.  It was just very
odd to see it function fine in LC 9.6.8
but then have it cause that memory
leak overrun in LC 9.6.9 and be unusable.

I haven’t been able to come up with a
recipe to duplicate the problem.

If I can figure out a repeatable recipe
I’ll get back to you on that.  This is
non-critical for me at the moment.

Thanks,

Rick



> On Aug 14, 2023, at 6:13 AM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Could you file a bug report with recipe and attach (or send to support at livecode.com <mailto:support at livecode.com> if its sensitive) the stack and recipe for reproducing the problem so we can take a look.
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> Mark.


From neville.smythe at optusnet.com.au  Thu Aug 17 09:56:49 2023
From: neville.smythe at optusnet.com.au (Neville Smythe)
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2023 23:56:49 +1000
Subject: Linux filenames in LC Server - Resolved
Message-ID: <9DFCB875-8122-4440-A26F-22F073C96D67@optusnet.com.au>

Thank you Mark, installing the launcher script to set environment variables has fixed all my issues with non-ascii filenames. The documentation for installing LCS could usefully make a note of these settings. And indeed TextEncode/Decode both work as expected, my musings there were irrelevant.

Do you expect a future version of LCServer will incorporate the changes? IMHO I’d agree option 2 would make things work more transparently for the vast majority of cases. And while you wouldn’t able be able to handle badly encoded filenames within LC, I guess you wouldn't be able to create them either.

Neville Smythe





From panos.merakos at livecode.com  Thu Aug 17 10:02:59 2023
From: panos.merakos at livecode.com (panagiotis merakos)
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2023 17:02:59 +0300
Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10 RC-1
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq9P4-3x7pJ+vEjN-HNRWjq+k9Y=4BU=Xy6FTSfRN0V6Aw@mail.gmail.com>

Dear list members,

We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.10 RC-1.

LiveCode 9.6.10 RC-1 comes with more than 20 bugfixes, including support
for Android API 33, which will be a requirement for submitting new apps to
the Google Play Store as of the 31st of August.

You can find more details on the bug fixes and improvements of this new
release here:

https://livecode.com/livecode-9-6-10-rc-1-released/

You can find the release in your LiveCode account area or get it via the
automatic updater.

Enjoy!

Kind regards
The LiveCode Team
--

From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Thu Aug 17 10:11:08 2023
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2023 16:11:08 +0200
Subject: Linux filenames in LC Server - Resolved
In-Reply-To: <9DFCB875-8122-4440-A26F-22F073C96D67@optusnet.com.au>
References: <9DFCB875-8122-4440-A26F-22F073C96D67@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <062314FD-CA58-4B47-8070-97A12355CF9E@m-r-d.de>

Hi Neville,

did you read my comment about setting the environment variable lang using .htaccess?
That worked here and i could write non-ascii filenames using the "standard" LC Server installation.

Regards,
Matthias

> Am 17.08.2023 um 15:56 schrieb Neville Smythe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Thank you Mark, installing the launcher script to set environment variables has fixed all my issues with non-ascii filenames. The documentation for installing LCS could usefully make a note of these settings. And indeed TextEncode/Decode both work as expected, my musings there were irrelevant.
> 
> Do you expect a future version of LCServer will incorporate the changes? IMHO I’d agree option 2 would make things work more transparently for the vast majority of cases. And while you wouldn’t able be able to handle badly encoded filenames within LC, I guess you wouldn't be able to create them either.
> 
> Neville Smythe
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From mark at canelasoftware.com  Thu Aug 17 11:57:30 2023
From: mark at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto)
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2023 08:57:30 -0700
Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10 RC-1
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq9P4-3x7pJ+vEjN-HNRWjq+k9Y=4BU=Xy6FTSfRN0V6Aw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+JfEq9P4-3x7pJ+vEjN-HNRWjq+k9Y=4BU=Xy6FTSfRN0V6Aw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ABA76994-DFC1-4BD5-B2ED-DF787671A083@canelasoftware.com>

Hi Panos,

I am looking forward to testing this build. I do not have any links to the download on the page. They appear to be missing.

The release notes are linked, and I can read them. 


Best regards,
Mark Talluto

appli.io <https://appli.io/>
livecloud.io <https://livecloud.io/>
nursenotes.net <https://nursenotes.net/>
canelasoftware.com <https://www.canelasoftware.com/>



> On Aug 17, 2023, at 7:02 AM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Dear list members,
> 
> We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.10 RC-1.
> 
> LiveCode 9.6.10 RC-1 comes with more than 20 bugfixes, including support
> for Android API 33, which will be a requirement for submitting new apps to
> the Google Play Store as of the 31st of August.
> 
> You can find more details on the bug fixes and improvements of this new
> release here:
> 
> https://livecode.com/livecode-9-6-10-rc-1-released/
> 
> You can find the release in your LiveCode account area or get it via the
> automatic updater.
> 
> Enjoy!
> 
> Kind regards
> The LiveCode Team
> --
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Thu Aug 17 12:01:12 2023
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2023 18:01:12 +0200
Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10 RC-1
In-Reply-To: <ABA76994-DFC1-4BD5-B2ED-DF787671A083@canelasoftware.com>
References: <CA+JfEq9P4-3x7pJ+vEjN-HNRWjq+k9Y=4BU=Xy6FTSfRN0V6Aw@mail.gmail.com>
 <ABA76994-DFC1-4BD5-B2ED-DF787671A083@canelasoftware.com>
Message-ID: <D5DB280C-9F6E-4C62-9701-D9C1F2AFBF92@m-r-d.de>

As Panos wrote.. ;)

You can find the release in your LiveCode account area or get it via the
automatic updater.

> Am 17.08.2023 um 17:57 schrieb Mark Talluto via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Hi Panos,
> 
> I am looking forward to testing this build. I do not have any links to the download on the page. They appear to be missing.
> 
> The release notes are linked, and I can read them. 
> 
> 
> Best regards,
> Mark Talluto
> 
> appli.io <https://appli.io/>
> livecloud.io <https://livecloud.io/>
> nursenotes.net <https://nursenotes.net/>
> canelasoftware.com <https://www.canelasoftware.com/>
> 
> 
> 
>> On Aug 17, 2023, at 7:02 AM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Dear list members,
>> 
>> We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.10 RC-1.
>> 
>> LiveCode 9.6.10 RC-1 comes with more than 20 bugfixes, including support
>> for Android API 33, which will be a requirement for submitting new apps to
>> the Google Play Store as of the 31st of August.
>> 
>> You can find more details on the bug fixes and improvements of this new
>> release here:
>> 
>> https://livecode.com/livecode-9-6-10-rc-1-released/
>> 
>> You can find the release in your LiveCode account area or get it via the
>> automatic updater.
>> 
>> Enjoy!
>> 
>> Kind regards
>> The LiveCode Team
>> --
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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From merakosp at gmail.com  Thu Aug 17 12:05:18 2023
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis m)
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2023 19:05:18 +0300
Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10 RC-1
In-Reply-To: <D5DB280C-9F6E-4C62-9701-D9C1F2AFBF92@m-r-d.de>
References: <CA+JfEq9P4-3x7pJ+vEjN-HNRWjq+k9Y=4BU=Xy6FTSfRN0V6Aw@mail.gmail.com>
 <ABA76994-DFC1-4BD5-B2ED-DF787671A083@canelasoftware.com>
 <D5DB280C-9F6E-4C62-9701-D9C1F2AFBF92@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq__Jg5DWGMEGBjtcd7KEYTNR2i67sRZWrx0qJWPiRgnuQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Mark,

As Matthias noted, you can find this release in your account area. You have
to scroll down a bit because the stable releases are listed at the top.

In the downloads page you can only find the last stable release - currently
9.6.9.

Kind regards,
Panos
--

On Thu, 17 Aug 2023 at 19:02, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> As Panos wrote.. ;)
>
> You can find the release in your LiveCode account area or get it via the
> automatic updater.
>
> > Am 17.08.2023 um 17:57 schrieb Mark Talluto via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> >
> > Hi Panos,
> >
> > I am looking forward to testing this build. I do not have any links to
> the download on the page. They appear to be missing.
> >
> > The release notes are linked, and I can read them.
> >
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Mark Talluto
> >
> > appli.io <https://appli.io/>
> > livecloud.io <https://livecloud.io/>
> > nursenotes.net <https://nursenotes.net/>
> > canelasoftware.com <https://www.canelasoftware.com/>
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Aug 17, 2023, at 7:02 AM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Dear list members,
> >>
> >> We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.10 RC-1.
> >>
> >> LiveCode 9.6.10 RC-1 comes with more than 20 bugfixes, including support
> >> for Android API 33, which will be a requirement for submitting new apps
> to
> >> the Google Play Store as of the 31st of August.
> >>
> >> You can find more details on the bug fixes and improvements of this new
> >> release here:
> >>
> >> https://livecode.com/livecode-9-6-10-rc-1-released/
> >>
> >> You can find the release in your LiveCode account area or get it via the
> >> automatic updater.
> >>
> >> Enjoy!
> >>
> >> Kind regards
> >> The LiveCode Team
> >> --
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> use-livecode mailing list
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
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From mark at canelasoftware.com  Thu Aug 17 12:12:37 2023
From: mark at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto)
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2023 09:12:37 -0700
Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10 RC-1
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq__Jg5DWGMEGBjtcd7KEYTNR2i67sRZWrx0qJWPiRgnuQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+JfEq9P4-3x7pJ+vEjN-HNRWjq+k9Y=4BU=Xy6FTSfRN0V6Aw@mail.gmail.com>
 <ABA76994-DFC1-4BD5-B2ED-DF787671A083@canelasoftware.com>
 <D5DB280C-9F6E-4C62-9701-D9C1F2AFBF92@m-r-d.de>
 <CA+JfEq__Jg5DWGMEGBjtcd7KEYTNR2i67sRZWrx0qJWPiRgnuQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7235ECDA-1A4D-4DA3-8E2A-D018C9E18B71@canelasoftware.com>

I guess my email with a link to a screenshot of what I am seeing has not gone through. 

I appreciate you can get the update through the auto-updater, but I want to download the installer from my account page as we can with other builds. The issue may be specific to my account. 

I’ll let the earth spin a bit and see how it goes for others. This is not a high priority situation for me.  :)

FWIW, I tried in both Firefox and Safari.

Best regards,
Mark Talluto

appli.io <https://appli.io/>
livecloud.io <https://livecloud.io/>
nursenotes.net <https://nursenotes.net/>
canelasoftware.com <https://www.canelasoftware.com/>



> On Aug 17, 2023, at 9:05 AM, panagiotis m via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello Mark,
> 
> As Matthias noted, you can find this release in your account area. You have
> to scroll down a bit because the stable releases are listed at the top.
> 
> In the downloads page you can only find the last stable release - currently
> 9.6.9.
> 
> Kind regards,
> Panos
> --
> 
> On Thu, 17 Aug 2023 at 19:02, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> As Panos wrote.. ;)
>> 
>> You can find the release in your LiveCode account area or get it via the
>> automatic updater.
>> 
>>> Am 17.08.2023 um 17:57 schrieb Mark Talluto via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>> 
>>> Hi Panos,
>>> 
>>> I am looking forward to testing this build. I do not have any links to
>> the download on the page. They appear to be missing.
>>> 
>>> The release notes are linked, and I can read them.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Best regards,
>>> Mark Talluto
>>> 
>>> appli.io <https://appli.io/>
>>> livecloud.io <https://livecloud.io/>
>>> nursenotes.net <https://nursenotes.net/>
>>> canelasoftware.com <https://www.canelasoftware.com/>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 17, 2023, at 7:02 AM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Dear list members,
>>>> 
>>>> We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.10 RC-1.
>>>> 
>>>> LiveCode 9.6.10 RC-1 comes with more than 20 bugfixes, including support
>>>> for Android API 33, which will be a requirement for submitting new apps
>> to
>>>> the Google Play Store as of the 31st of August.
>>>> 
>>>> You can find more details on the bug fixes and improvements of this new
>>>> release here:
>>>> 
>>>> https://livecode.com/livecode-9-6-10-rc-1-released/
>>>> 
>>>> You can find the release in your LiveCode account area or get it via the
>>>> automatic updater.
>>>> 
>>>> Enjoy!
>>>> 
>>>> Kind regards
>>>> The LiveCode Team
>>>> --
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>> 
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>> subscription preferences:
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From hlowe at me.com  Thu Aug 17 12:12:35 2023
From: hlowe at me.com (HENRY LOWE)
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2023 17:12:35 +0100
Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10 RC-1
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq__Jg5DWGMEGBjtcd7KEYTNR2i67sRZWrx0qJWPiRgnuQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+JfEq9P4-3x7pJ+vEjN-HNRWjq+k9Y=4BU=Xy6FTSfRN0V6Aw@mail.gmail.com>
 <ABA76994-DFC1-4BD5-B2ED-DF787671A083@canelasoftware.com>
 <D5DB280C-9F6E-4C62-9701-D9C1F2AFBF92@m-r-d.de>
 <CA+JfEq__Jg5DWGMEGBjtcd7KEYTNR2i67sRZWrx0qJWPiRgnuQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D3C87434-28D6-4E63-8F72-DD8F19012266@me.com>

I see only a link to the release notes.

Henry

> On Aug 17, 2023, at 5:05 PM, panagiotis m via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello Mark,
> 
> As Matthias noted, you can find this release in your account area. You have
> to scroll down a bit because the stable releases are listed at the top.
> 
> In the downloads page you can only find the last stable release - currently
> 9.6.9.
> 
> Kind regards,
> Panos
> --
> 
> On Thu, 17 Aug 2023 at 19:02, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> As Panos wrote.. ;)
>> 
>> You can find the release in your LiveCode account area or get it via the
>> automatic updater.
>> 
>>> Am 17.08.2023 um 17:57 schrieb Mark Talluto via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>> 
>>> Hi Panos,
>>> 
>>> I am looking forward to testing this build. I do not have any links to
>> the download on the page. They appear to be missing.
>>> 
>>> The release notes are linked, and I can read them.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Best regards,
>>> Mark Talluto
>>> 
>>> appli.io <https://appli.io/>
>>> livecloud.io <https://livecloud.io/>
>>> nursenotes.net <https://nursenotes.net/>
>>> canelasoftware.com <https://www.canelasoftware.com/>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 17, 2023, at 7:02 AM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Dear list members,
>>>> 
>>>> We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.10 RC-1.
>>>> 
>>>> LiveCode 9.6.10 RC-1 comes with more than 20 bugfixes, including support
>>>> for Android API 33, which will be a requirement for submitting new apps
>> to
>>>> the Google Play Store as of the 31st of August.
>>>> 
>>>> You can find more details on the bug fixes and improvements of this new
>>>> release here:
>>>> 
>>>> https://livecode.com/livecode-9-6-10-rc-1-released/
>>>> 
>>>> You can find the release in your LiveCode account area or get it via the
>>>> automatic updater.
>>>> 
>>>> Enjoy!
>>>> 
>>>> Kind regards
>>>> The LiveCode Team
>>>> --
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>> 
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>> subscription preferences:
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From merakosp at gmail.com  Thu Aug 17 12:22:20 2023
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis m)
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2023 19:22:20 +0300
Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10 RC-1
In-Reply-To: <D3C87434-28D6-4E63-8F72-DD8F19012266@me.com>
References: <CA+JfEq9P4-3x7pJ+vEjN-HNRWjq+k9Y=4BU=Xy6FTSfRN0V6Aw@mail.gmail.com>
 <ABA76994-DFC1-4BD5-B2ED-DF787671A083@canelasoftware.com>
 <D5DB280C-9F6E-4C62-9701-D9C1F2AFBF92@m-r-d.de>
 <CA+JfEq__Jg5DWGMEGBjtcd7KEYTNR2i67sRZWrx0qJWPiRgnuQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <D3C87434-28D6-4E63-8F72-DD8F19012266@me.com>
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq_F8j8poPgO-+t6R5S6zoAJ8SNtbWVzPZuW41HG=380nw@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all,

Oh I see what you mean!

If you go to the "Downloads" section **in your account** - not the public
downloads page -  I confirm it only shows the release notes for LC 9.6.10
RC1

But you can still get LC 9.6.10 RC-1 if you go to Products -> LiveCode
dropdown

We will fix the issue asap.

Thanks for spotting it!

Cheers,
Panos

On Thu, 17 Aug 2023 at 19:13, HENRY LOWE via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I see only a link to the release notes.
>
> Henry
>
> > On Aug 17, 2023, at 5:05 PM, panagiotis m via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Mark,
> >
> > As Matthias noted, you can find this release in your account area. You
> have
> > to scroll down a bit because the stable releases are listed at the top.
> >
> > In the downloads page you can only find the last stable release -
> currently
> > 9.6.9.
> >
> > Kind regards,
> > Panos
> > --
> >
> > On Thu, 17 Aug 2023 at 19:02, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >> As Panos wrote.. ;)
> >>
> >> You can find the release in your LiveCode account area or get it via the
> >> automatic updater.
> >>
> >>> Am 17.08.2023 um 17:57 schrieb Mark Talluto via use-livecode <
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> >>>
> >>> Hi Panos,
> >>>
> >>> I am looking forward to testing this build. I do not have any links to
> >> the download on the page. They appear to be missing.
> >>>
> >>> The release notes are linked, and I can read them.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Best regards,
> >>> Mark Talluto
> >>>
> >>> appli.io <https://appli.io/>
> >>> livecloud.io <https://livecloud.io/>
> >>> nursenotes.net <https://nursenotes.net/>
> >>> canelasoftware.com <https://www.canelasoftware.com/>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> On Aug 17, 2023, at 7:02 AM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Dear list members,
> >>>>
> >>>> We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.10 RC-1.
> >>>>
> >>>> LiveCode 9.6.10 RC-1 comes with more than 20 bugfixes, including
> support
> >>>> for Android API 33, which will be a requirement for submitting new
> apps
> >> to
> >>>> the Google Play Store as of the 31st of August.
> >>>>
> >>>> You can find more details on the bug fixes and improvements of this
> new
> >>>> release here:
> >>>>
> >>>> https://livecode.com/livecode-9-6-10-rc-1-released/
> >>>>
> >>>> You can find the release in your LiveCode account area or get it via
> the
> >>>> automatic updater.
> >>>>
> >>>> Enjoy!
> >>>>
> >>>> Kind regards
> >>>> The LiveCode Team
> >>>> --
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> use-livecode mailing list
> >>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> >> subscription preferences:
> >>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >>>
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> >>
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From merakosp at gmail.com  Thu Aug 17 12:23:10 2023
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis m)
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2023 19:23:10 +0300
Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10 RC-1
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq_F8j8poPgO-+t6R5S6zoAJ8SNtbWVzPZuW41HG=380nw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+JfEq9P4-3x7pJ+vEjN-HNRWjq+k9Y=4BU=Xy6FTSfRN0V6Aw@mail.gmail.com>
 <ABA76994-DFC1-4BD5-B2ED-DF787671A083@canelasoftware.com>
 <D5DB280C-9F6E-4C62-9701-D9C1F2AFBF92@m-r-d.de>
 <CA+JfEq__Jg5DWGMEGBjtcd7KEYTNR2i67sRZWrx0qJWPiRgnuQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <D3C87434-28D6-4E63-8F72-DD8F19012266@me.com>
 <CA+JfEq_F8j8poPgO-+t6R5S6zoAJ8SNtbWVzPZuW41HG=380nw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq_mhP2n7hZkghc72z-4wg2rkMMyJ+RQ65RHyuFUxt4hoA@mail.gmail.com>

OK should be fixed now!

Cheers,
Panos
--

On Thu, 17 Aug 2023 at 19:22, panagiotis m <merakosp at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> Oh I see what you mean!
>
> If you go to the "Downloads" section **in your account** - not the public
> downloads page -  I confirm it only shows the release notes for LC 9.6.10
> RC1
>
> But you can still get LC 9.6.10 RC-1 if you go to Products -> LiveCode
> dropdown
>
> We will fix the issue asap.
>
> Thanks for spotting it!
>
> Cheers,
> Panos
>
> On Thu, 17 Aug 2023 at 19:13, HENRY LOWE via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> I see only a link to the release notes.
>>
>> Henry
>>
>> > On Aug 17, 2023, at 5:05 PM, panagiotis m via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hello Mark,
>> >
>> > As Matthias noted, you can find this release in your account area. You
>> have
>> > to scroll down a bit because the stable releases are listed at the top.
>> >
>> > In the downloads page you can only find the last stable release -
>> currently
>> > 9.6.9.
>> >
>> > Kind regards,
>> > Panos
>> > --
>> >
>> > On Thu, 17 Aug 2023 at 19:02, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <
>> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> As Panos wrote.. ;)
>> >>
>> >> You can find the release in your LiveCode account area or get it via
>> the
>> >> automatic updater.
>> >>
>> >>> Am 17.08.2023 um 17:57 schrieb Mark Talluto via use-livecode <
>> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>> >>>
>> >>> Hi Panos,
>> >>>
>> >>> I am looking forward to testing this build. I do not have any links to
>> >> the download on the page. They appear to be missing.
>> >>>
>> >>> The release notes are linked, and I can read them.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Best regards,
>> >>> Mark Talluto
>> >>>
>> >>> appli.io <https://appli.io/>
>> >>> livecloud.io <https://livecloud.io/>
>> >>> nursenotes.net <https://nursenotes.net/>
>> >>> canelasoftware.com <https://www.canelasoftware.com/>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> On Aug 17, 2023, at 7:02 AM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
>> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Dear list members,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.10 RC-1.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> LiveCode 9.6.10 RC-1 comes with more than 20 bugfixes, including
>> support
>> >>>> for Android API 33, which will be a requirement for submitting new
>> apps
>> >> to
>> >>>> the Google Play Store as of the 31st of August.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> You can find more details on the bug fixes and improvements of this
>> new
>> >>>> release here:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> https://livecode.com/livecode-9-6-10-rc-1-released/
>> >>>>
>> >>>> You can find the release in your LiveCode account area or get it via
>> the
>> >>>> automatic updater.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Enjoy!
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Kind regards
>> >>>> The LiveCode Team
>> >>>> --
>> >>>> _______________________________________________
>> >>>> use-livecode mailing list
>> >>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> >> subscription preferences:
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>> >>>
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From mark at canelasoftware.com  Thu Aug 17 12:28:23 2023
From: mark at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto)
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2023 09:28:23 -0700
Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10 RC-1
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq_mhP2n7hZkghc72z-4wg2rkMMyJ+RQ65RHyuFUxt4hoA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+JfEq9P4-3x7pJ+vEjN-HNRWjq+k9Y=4BU=Xy6FTSfRN0V6Aw@mail.gmail.com>
 <ABA76994-DFC1-4BD5-B2ED-DF787671A083@canelasoftware.com>
 <D5DB280C-9F6E-4C62-9701-D9C1F2AFBF92@m-r-d.de>
 <CA+JfEq__Jg5DWGMEGBjtcd7KEYTNR2i67sRZWrx0qJWPiRgnuQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <D3C87434-28D6-4E63-8F72-DD8F19012266@me.com>
 <CA+JfEq_F8j8poPgO-+t6R5S6zoAJ8SNtbWVzPZuW41HG=380nw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CA+JfEq_mhP2n7hZkghc72z-4wg2rkMMyJ+RQ65RHyuFUxt4hoA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DFEC032B-3AEA-417D-98BC-67572AB5894F@canelasoftware.com>

Much appreciated, Panos.

I just wanted to confirm that you fixed the issue. Downloading now.


Best regards,
Mark Talluto

appli.io <https://appli.io/>
livecloud.io <https://livecloud.io/>
nursenotes.net <https://nursenotes.net/>
canelasoftware.com <https://www.canelasoftware.com/>



> On Aug 17, 2023, at 9:23 AM, panagiotis m via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> OK should be fixed now!
> 
> Cheers,
> Panos
> --
> 
> On Thu, 17 Aug 2023 at 19:22, panagiotis m <merakosp at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hello all,
>> 
>> Oh I see what you mean!
>> 
>> If you go to the "Downloads" section **in your account** - not the public
>> downloads page -  I confirm it only shows the release notes for LC 9.6.10
>> RC1
>> 
>> But you can still get LC 9.6.10 RC-1 if you go to Products -> LiveCode
>> dropdown
>> 
>> We will fix the issue asap.
>> 
>> Thanks for spotting it!
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Panos
>> 
>> On Thu, 17 Aug 2023 at 19:13, HENRY LOWE via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I see only a link to the release notes.
>>> 
>>> Henry
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 17, 2023, at 5:05 PM, panagiotis m via use-livecode <
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hello Mark,
>>>> 
>>>> As Matthias noted, you can find this release in your account area. You
>>> have
>>>> to scroll down a bit because the stable releases are listed at the top.
>>>> 
>>>> In the downloads page you can only find the last stable release -
>>> currently
>>>> 9.6.9.
>>>> 
>>>> Kind regards,
>>>> Panos
>>>> --
>>>> 
>>>> On Thu, 17 Aug 2023 at 19:02, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> As Panos wrote.. ;)
>>>>> 
>>>>> You can find the release in your LiveCode account area or get it via
>>> the
>>>>> automatic updater.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Am 17.08.2023 um 17:57 schrieb Mark Talluto via use-livecode <
>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi Panos,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I am looking forward to testing this build. I do not have any links to
>>>>> the download on the page. They appear to be missing.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The release notes are linked, and I can read them.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>> Mark Talluto
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> appli.io <https://appli.io/>
>>>>>> livecloud.io <https://livecloud.io/>
>>>>>> nursenotes.net <https://nursenotes.net/>
>>>>>> canelasoftware.com <https://www.canelasoftware.com/>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Aug 17, 2023, at 7:02 AM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Dear list members,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.10 RC-1.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> LiveCode 9.6.10 RC-1 comes with more than 20 bugfixes, including
>>> support
>>>>>>> for Android API 33, which will be a requirement for submitting new
>>> apps
>>>>> to
>>>>>>> the Google Play Store as of the 31st of August.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> You can find more details on the bug fixes and improvements of this
>>> new
>>>>>>> release here:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> https://livecode.com/livecode-9-6-10-rc-1-released/
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> You can find the release in your LiveCode account area or get it via
>>> the
>>>>>>> automatic updater.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Enjoy!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Kind regards
>>>>>>> The LiveCode Team
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>>>> subscription preferences:
>>>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>>>> subscription preferences:
>>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>>>> subscription preferences:
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>>> subscription preferences:
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From mark at canelasoftware.com  Thu Aug 17 12:30:16 2023
From: mark at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto)
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2023 09:30:16 -0700
Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10 RC-1
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq_F8j8poPgO-+t6R5S6zoAJ8SNtbWVzPZuW41HG=380nw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+JfEq9P4-3x7pJ+vEjN-HNRWjq+k9Y=4BU=Xy6FTSfRN0V6Aw@mail.gmail.com>
 <ABA76994-DFC1-4BD5-B2ED-DF787671A083@canelasoftware.com>
 <D5DB280C-9F6E-4C62-9701-D9C1F2AFBF92@m-r-d.de>
 <CA+JfEq__Jg5DWGMEGBjtcd7KEYTNR2i67sRZWrx0qJWPiRgnuQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <D3C87434-28D6-4E63-8F72-DD8F19012266@me.com>
 <CA+JfEq_F8j8poPgO-+t6R5S6zoAJ8SNtbWVzPZuW41HG=380nw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BFB0C902-592B-4C53-A4A6-E43749E0F83E@canelasoftware.com>

Oh, I did not know you could get the downloads another way. I learn something new every day. Thanks.


Best regards,
Mark Talluto

appli.io <https://appli.io/>
livecloud.io <https://livecloud.io/>
nursenotes.net <https://nursenotes.net/>
canelasoftware.com <https://www.canelasoftware.com/>



> On Aug 17, 2023, at 9:22 AM, panagiotis m via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> Oh I see what you mean!
> 
> If you go to the "Downloads" section **in your account** - not the public
> downloads page -  I confirm it only shows the release notes for LC 9.6.10
> RC1
> 
> But you can still get LC 9.6.10 RC-1 if you go to Products -> LiveCode
> dropdown
> 
> We will fix the issue asap.
> 
> Thanks for spotting it!
> 
> Cheers,
> Panos
> 
> On Thu, 17 Aug 2023 at 19:13, HENRY LOWE via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> I see only a link to the release notes.
>> 
>> Henry
>> 
>>> On Aug 17, 2023, at 5:05 PM, panagiotis m via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Mark,
>>> 
>>> As Matthias noted, you can find this release in your account area. You
>> have
>>> to scroll down a bit because the stable releases are listed at the top.
>>> 
>>> In the downloads page you can only find the last stable release -
>> currently
>>> 9.6.9.
>>> 
>>> Kind regards,
>>> Panos
>>> --
>>> 
>>> On Thu, 17 Aug 2023 at 19:02, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> As Panos wrote.. ;)
>>>> 
>>>> You can find the release in your LiveCode account area or get it via the
>>>> automatic updater.
>>>> 
>>>>> Am 17.08.2023 um 17:57 schrieb Mark Talluto via use-livecode <
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Panos,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am looking forward to testing this build. I do not have any links to
>>>> the download on the page. They appear to be missing.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The release notes are linked, and I can read them.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> Mark Talluto
>>>>> 
>>>>> appli.io <https://appli.io/>
>>>>> livecloud.io <https://livecloud.io/>
>>>>> nursenotes.net <https://nursenotes.net/>
>>>>> canelasoftware.com <https://www.canelasoftware.com/>
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Aug 17, 2023, at 7:02 AM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Dear list members,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.10 RC-1.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> LiveCode 9.6.10 RC-1 comes with more than 20 bugfixes, including
>> support
>>>>>> for Android API 33, which will be a requirement for submitting new
>> apps
>>>> to
>>>>>> the Google Play Store as of the 31st of August.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> You can find more details on the bug fixes and improvements of this
>> new
>>>>>> release here:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> https://livecode.com/livecode-9-6-10-rc-1-released/
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> You can find the release in your LiveCode account area or get it via
>> the
>>>>>> automatic updater.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Enjoy!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Kind regards
>>>>>> The LiveCode Team
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>>> subscription preferences:
>>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>>>> 
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>>> subscription preferences:
>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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>>>> 
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From tom at makeshyft.com  Thu Aug 17 14:46:43 2023
From: tom at makeshyft.com (Tom Glod)
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2023 14:46:43 -0400
Subject: xavvi - temper your expectations
In-Reply-To: <136C8206-6B98-4401-9CB7-4CD4B14CEA9F@m-r-d.de>
References: <CADCoycNP3n=CuJzfRJ7xZ+5AsGe6jzLFYwyur3EvAyD09-xshg@mail.gmail.com>
 <136C8206-6B98-4401-9CB7-4CD4B14CEA9F@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <CAPzQJLJtiNzkK=7s-xCjLWztviieOLcUoULrO313jhym3XpfKw@mail.gmail.com>

If I was integrating AI into livecode, I would train it on a higher level
api built for it, instead of letting it use Livecode Script willy nilly.
That would prevent the kinds of hallucinations that it has while trying to
write livecode script.
I suspect that Livecode has thought of this and has written and trained it
on an API less prone to these problems.


On Thu, Aug 10, 2023 at 3:32 PM matthias rebbe via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I thought Xavvi will make use of AI, but the use is not mandatory. So even
> without AI, XAVVI would be an online development tool which can deploy web
> apps and which also could import and export Livecode stacks.
>
>
>
> Am 10.08.2023 um 21:22 schrieb Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> >
> > i'm using chatgpt and bard, every day, because i can, and because
> > sometimes they give me more comprehensive things to think about.
> > but, they are wrong. a lot.
> > zdnet just published a piece, today, documenting the same thing: wrong
> >> 50% of the time.
> > so, temper your expectations for xavvi in the medium term:
> >
> https://www.zdnet.com/article/chatgpt-answers-more-than-half-of-software-engineering-questions-incorrectly/
> >
> > --
> > On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> > On the second day, God created the oceans.
> > On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
> >   and did a little diving.
> > And God said, "This is good."
> >
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From neville.smythe at optusnet.com.au  Thu Aug 17 21:05:29 2023
From: neville.smythe at optusnet.com.au (Neville Smythe)
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2023 11:05:29 +1000
Subject: Linux filenames in LC Server
Message-ID: <60945C1B-BA73-47BC-8825-FCBD68F9B457@optusnet.com.au>

Hi Matthias, I didn’t see your post until now. I did wonder if .htaccess could be used using Rewrite rules, but I couldn’t get my head around the documentation. 

So it’s good to know both methods work. We are running other apps on the website so I wonder a bit if setting the environment variables for everything running under apache might have some side effects, so I’ll stick with Mark’s launch script method.

Neville Smythe





From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Fri Aug 18 01:38:07 2023
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe)
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2023 07:38:07 +0200
Subject: Linux filenames in LC Server
In-Reply-To: <60945C1B-BA73-47BC-8825-FCBD68F9B457@optusnet.com.au>
References: <60945C1B-BA73-47BC-8825-FCBD68F9B457@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <4C698EAD-26AC-4D13-BBF2-2F2A96198A3B@m-r-d.de>

Neville,

The htaccess solution would also not harm other apps because the environment variable is only set when executing .lc files and they’re only used within that session. 

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

> Am 18.08.2023 um 03:07 schrieb Neville Smythe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Hi Matthias, I didn’t see your post until now. I did wonder if .htaccess could be used using Rewrite rules, but I couldn’t get my head around the documentation. 
> 
> So it’s good to know both methods work. We are running other apps on the website so I wonder a bit if setting the environment variables for everything running under apache might have some side effects, so I’ll stick with Mark’s launch script method.
> 
> Neville Smythe
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From dfe4 at cornell.edu  Fri Aug 18 12:03:44 2023
From: dfe4 at cornell.edu (David Epstein)
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2023 12:03:44 -0400
Subject: Detecting when resizeStack is completed
Message-ID: <F09F8164-2A68-45E8-BAC9-EE9402DDE282@cornell.edu>

How can I redraw objects after the user has resized the stack, but not continuously during the resize?  Releasing the mouse at the end of a resize does not appear to send a mouseUp message.

David Epstein

From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Aug 18 12:13:11 2023
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2023 16:13:11 +0000
Subject: Detecting when resizeStack is completed
In-Reply-To: <F09F8164-2A68-45E8-BAC9-EE9402DDE282@cornell.edu>
References: <F09F8164-2A68-45E8-BAC9-EE9402DDE282@cornell.edu>
Message-ID: <1430D38D-9538-495E-83CA-8BF93E26696D@iotecdigital.com>

Have you tried mouseStillDown?

Bob S


> On Aug 18, 2023, at 9:03 AM, David Epstein via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> How can I redraw objects after the user has resized the stack, but not continuously during the resize?  Releasing the mouse at the end of a resize does not appear to send a mouseUp message.
> 
> David Epstein
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Aug 18 12:14:53 2023
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2023 16:14:53 +0000
Subject: Detecting when resizeStack is completed
In-Reply-To: <1430D38D-9538-495E-83CA-8BF93E26696D@iotecdigital.com>
References: <F09F8164-2A68-45E8-BAC9-EE9402DDE282@cornell.edu>
 <1430D38D-9538-495E-83CA-8BF93E26696D@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <67ED45B5-6265-4CE2-BCA8-A8E99D3A091B@iotecdigital.com>

Or rather check if the mouse is down

Bob S


> On Aug 18, 2023, at 9:13 AM, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com> wrote:
> 
> Have you tried mouseStillDown?
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Aug 18, 2023, at 9:03 AM, David Epstein via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> How can I redraw objects after the user has resized the stack, but not continuously during the resize?  Releasing the mouse at the end of a resize does not appear to send a mouseUp message.
>> 
>> David Epstein
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From paul at researchware.com  Fri Aug 18 12:25:11 2023
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2023 12:25:11 -0400
Subject: Detecting when resizeStack is completed
In-Reply-To: <F09F8164-2A68-45E8-BAC9-EE9402DDE282@cornell.edu>
References: <F09F8164-2A68-45E8-BAC9-EE9402DDE282@cornell.edu>
Message-ID: <cbb709de-7831-7cf1-3070-123a2a343308@researchware.com>

On 8/18/2023 12:03 PM, David Epstein via use-livecode wrote:
> How can I redraw objects after the user has resized the stack, but not continuously during the resize?  Releasing the mouse at the end of a resize does not appear to send a mouseUp message.
>
>

after resizeStack
  -- actions you want to occur after
end resizeStack

Look at the "after" control structure in the Dictionary. I am NOT sure 
whether this will trigger after EACH resizeStack message (not what you 
want) OR only after the last resizeStack message (what you want), but it 
may be worth trying (I have not tried it myself)




From mark at livecode.com  Fri Aug 18 12:29:47 2023
From: mark at livecode.com (Mark Waddingham)
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2023 17:29:47 +0100
Subject: Detecting when resizeStack is completed
In-Reply-To: <F09F8164-2A68-45E8-BAC9-EE9402DDE282@cornell.edu>
References: <F09F8164-2A68-45E8-BAC9-EE9402DDE282@cornell.edu>
Message-ID: <22b27f1af72510aa5ff4bb932086ee51@livecode.com>

On 2023-08-18 17:03, David Epstein via use-livecode wrote:
> How can I redraw objects after the user has resized the stack, but not 
> continuously during the resize?  Releasing the mouse at the end of a 
> resize does not appear to send a mouseUp message.

Normal window resizing is handled by the OS, so doesn't generate mouse 
events.

One way to get close to what you request is to only relayout your 
objects if the user has not changed the size within a short period. 
Something like:
```
local sPendingResizeId
constant kResizeTimeout = 20

on resizeStack pWidth, pHeight
    /* If there is already a deferred request to resize then cancel. */
    if sPendingResizeId is not empty then
       cancel sPendingResizeId
    end if

    /* Defer the request to resize for a further period. */
    send "_doResizeStack pWidth, pHeight" to me in kResizeTimeout 
milliseconds
    put the result into sPendingResizeId
end resizeStack

on _doResizeStack pWidth, pHeight
    lock screen
    ... do relayout ...
    unlock screen
end _doResizeStack
```

This defers the relayout code until a resize stack message has not been 
sent for the timeout interval.

Warmest Regards,

Mark.

-- 
Mark Waddingham ~ mark at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
LiveCode: Build Amazing Things


From martyknappster at gmail.com  Fri Aug 18 14:20:19 2023
From: martyknappster at gmail.com (Marty Knapp)
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2023 11:20:19 -0700
Subject: Solved: Writing to Mac Application Support folder
In-Reply-To: <003fd44c-f5c0-cdbf-8865-f4722e83bdcd@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <2afdbfdd-2c31-d334-14ef-68b561e3a287@hyperactivesw.com>
 <E50BBA91-FEE2-4E94-A664-8650BD90E5E2@elementarysoftware.com>
 <583ff6d4-3def-d10f-66a8-e280bac8be05@hyperactivesw.com>
 <B7863B9E-3022-4627-A762-4283DA6F4392@elementarysoftware.com>
 <003fd44c-f5c0-cdbf-8865-f4722e83bdcd@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <D82AF52C-0CF9-4204-8E03-20568B8EE5BB@gmail.com>

As I’m now working to get an app ready for Sonoma, I’m wondering what the official resolution is to writing to both the “Preferences” folder and the “Application Support” folder. What I’m finding is that this question from Jacque is the last in this thread. Was there a response from Panos or Mark?

I will be dealing with existing customers upgrading to Sonoma as well as new customers and don’t want my inbox flooded with angry emails!

Marty

> On Jul 15, 2023, at 1:22 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Good approach. I assume if there is no file in Preferences, you write defaults directly to the container.
> 
> I got curious and looked at where LC stores its files. They do not have a container. It's mostly in Application Support, in a folder "RunRev" (there's also an older one there named "Runtime Revolution".) Some of the files were updated recently so it apparently still works. Now I wonder if there's another way to do this stuff.
> 
> I'd like some definitive info about this. @Panos? @Mark?
> 
> On 7/15/23 12:24 AM, scott--- via use-livecode wrote:
>> Thanks again, Jacque.
>> My solution for migrating preference files from the Preferences folder to the Container turned out to be quite simple but for some reason I spent a bunch of time pondering other more complicated methods. In the end I changed an existing function which returns a path to the preferences file and had it first look to see if a Container exists. If it doesn’t then it creates the Container but still returns the path to the original Preferences folder. (This works in my use case because the app's first call to this function will always be to “read” the preference file)  Now that the Container exists, all future calls to the function will return the Container path… and the original data, having been already loaded into the app, is ready to write to (and read from) the new Container location.
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> 



From dan at clearvisiontech.com  Fri Aug 18 16:32:57 2023
From: dan at clearvisiontech.com (Dan Friedman)
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2023 20:32:57 +0000
Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10 RC-1
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq9P4-3x7pJ+vEjN-HNRWjq+k9Y=4BU=Xy6FTSfRN0V6Aw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+JfEq9P4-3x7pJ+vEjN-HNRWjq+k9Y=4BU=Xy6FTSfRN0V6Aw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BYAPR12MB2709B0873413D082DC947D9DB91BA@BYAPR12MB2709.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>

Panos,

What about 10.0.0?  Is there an update coming?   I sure hope so… I’m going to be hosed if not.

-Dan


From: use-livecode <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com> on behalf of panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Date: Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 7:04 AM
To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Cc: panagiotis merakos <panos.merakos at livecode.com>
Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10 RC-1
Dear list members,

We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.10 RC-1.

LiveCode 9.6.10 RC-1 comes with more than 20 bugfixes, including support
for Android API 33, which will be a requirement for submitting new apps to
the Google Play Store as of the 31st of August.

You can find more details on the bug fixes and improvements of this new
release here:

https://livecode.com/livecode-9-6-10-rc-1-released/

You can find the release in your LiveCode account area or get it via the
automatic updater.

Enjoy!

Kind regards
The LiveCode Team
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From dsc at swcp.com  Fri Aug 18 16:45:25 2023
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2023 14:45:25 -0600
Subject: Group corners
Message-ID: <AA715BFF-8EF9-45DA-B081-07BEC7D53CAE@swcp.com>


If I turn off 3D for a group, the corners of the rectangle are weird. Advice? — Dar

From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Fri Aug 18 16:50:00 2023
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2023 22:50:00 +0200
Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10 RC-1
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR12MB2709B0873413D082DC947D9DB91BA@BYAPR12MB2709.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CA+JfEq9P4-3x7pJ+vEjN-HNRWjq+k9Y=4BU=Xy6FTSfRN0V6Aw@mail.gmail.com>
 <BYAPR12MB2709B0873413D082DC947D9DB91BA@BYAPR12MB2709.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <A53F7BEF-7605-4758-B515-F41DF73B4994@m-r-d.de>

On the 25th July Heather wrote the following:

"We are working on LiveCode 10 dp6. We expect it to ship in August, with support for Web Fonts plus a number of bug fixes. Web Fonts turned out to be rather trickier than expected but it looks like we've got it more or less sorted out now. 

If there are specific bugs in 10 dp-5 that are really problematic for you, its worth flagging them to me in support (not on the list) so I can at least find out for you if they will be fixed in dp-6. Please send me the bug report number from the Quality Center for checking. "




> Am 18.08.2023 um 22:32 schrieb Dan Friedman via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Panos,
> 
> What about 10.0.0?  Is there an update coming?   I sure hope so… I’m going to be hosed if not.
> 
> -Dan
> 
> 
> From: use-livecode <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com> on behalf of panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Date: Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 7:04 AM
> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Cc: panagiotis merakos <panos.merakos at livecode.com>
> Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10 RC-1
> Dear list members,
> 
> We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.10 RC-1.
> 
> LiveCode 9.6.10 RC-1 comes with more than 20 bugfixes, including support
> for Android API 33, which will be a requirement for submitting new apps to
> the Google Play Store as of the 31st of August.
> 
> You can find more details on the bug fixes and improvements of this new
> release here:
> 
> https://livecode.com/livecode-9-6-10-rc-1-released/
> 
> You can find the release in your LiveCode account area or get it via the
> automatic updater.
> 
> Enjoy!
> 
> Kind regards
> The LiveCode Team
> --
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From merakosp at gmail.com  Fri Aug 18 17:05:03 2023
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis m)
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2023 00:05:03 +0300
Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10 RC-1
In-Reply-To: <A53F7BEF-7605-4758-B515-F41DF73B4994@m-r-d.de>
References: <CA+JfEq9P4-3x7pJ+vEjN-HNRWjq+k9Y=4BU=Xy6FTSfRN0V6Aw@mail.gmail.com>
 <BYAPR12MB2709B0873413D082DC947D9DB91BA@BYAPR12MB2709.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
 <A53F7BEF-7605-4758-B515-F41DF73B4994@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq86799=-40xP3kx1uMeWXHye-OkgD3H8BDLb4LOCSbNOA@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all,

Yes, the plan is to release LC 10 dp-6 before the end of the month, which
will include support for API 33 as well as all the other fixes/enhancements
of LC 9.6.10 rc1.

Cheers,
Panos

On Fri, 18 Aug 2023, 23:50 matthias rebbe via use-livecode, <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> On the 25th July Heather wrote the following:
>
> "We are working on LiveCode 10 dp6. We expect it to ship in August, with
> support for Web Fonts plus a number of bug fixes. Web Fonts turned out to
> be rather trickier than expected but it looks like we've got it more or
> less sorted out now.
>
> If there are specific bugs in 10 dp-5 that are really problematic for you,
> its worth flagging them to me in support (not on the list) so I can at
> least find out for you if they will be fixed in dp-6. Please send me the
> bug report number from the Quality Center for checking. "
>
>
>
>
> > Am 18.08.2023 um 22:32 schrieb Dan Friedman via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> >
> > Panos,
> >
> > What about 10.0.0?  Is there an update coming?   I sure hope so… I’m
> going to be hosed if not.
> >
> > -Dan
> >
> >
> > From: use-livecode <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com> on behalf of
> panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> > Date: Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 7:04 AM
> > To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> > Cc: panagiotis merakos <panos.merakos at livecode.com>
> > Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10 RC-1
> > Dear list members,
> >
> > We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.10 RC-1.
> >
> > LiveCode 9.6.10 RC-1 comes with more than 20 bugfixes, including support
> > for Android API 33, which will be a requirement for submitting new apps
> to
> > the Google Play Store as of the 31st of August.
> >
> > You can find more details on the bug fixes and improvements of this new
> > release here:
> >
> > https://livecode.com/livecode-9-6-10-rc-1-released/
> >
> > You can find the release in your LiveCode account area or get it via the
> > automatic updater.
> >
> > Enjoy!
> >
> > Kind regards
> > The LiveCode Team
> > --
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
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From tom at makeshyft.com  Fri Aug 18 21:12:58 2023
From: tom at makeshyft.com (Tom Glod)
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2023 21:12:58 -0400
Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10 RC-1
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq86799=-40xP3kx1uMeWXHye-OkgD3H8BDLb4LOCSbNOA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+JfEq9P4-3x7pJ+vEjN-HNRWjq+k9Y=4BU=Xy6FTSfRN0V6Aw@mail.gmail.com>
 <BYAPR12MB2709B0873413D082DC947D9DB91BA@BYAPR12MB2709.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
 <A53F7BEF-7605-4758-B515-F41DF73B4994@m-r-d.de>
 <CA+JfEq86799=-40xP3kx1uMeWXHye-OkgD3H8BDLb4LOCSbNOA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPzQJLJoOA8sVo4jpGKdZcmWq5AewLvkURrXJj4TReRyBqr9vQ@mail.gmail.com>

There are a few big ones in this update for me. Thanks.


On Fri, Aug 18, 2023 at 5:06 PM panagiotis m via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> Yes, the plan is to release LC 10 dp-6 before the end of the month, which
> will include support for API 33 as well as all the other fixes/enhancements
> of LC 9.6.10 rc1.
>
> Cheers,
> Panos
>
> On Fri, 18 Aug 2023, 23:50 matthias rebbe via use-livecode, <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > On the 25th July Heather wrote the following:
> >
> > "We are working on LiveCode 10 dp6. We expect it to ship in August, with
> > support for Web Fonts plus a number of bug fixes. Web Fonts turned out to
> > be rather trickier than expected but it looks like we've got it more or
> > less sorted out now.
> >
> > If there are specific bugs in 10 dp-5 that are really problematic for
> you,
> > its worth flagging them to me in support (not on the list) so I can at
> > least find out for you if they will be fixed in dp-6. Please send me the
> > bug report number from the Quality Center for checking. "
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > Am 18.08.2023 um 22:32 schrieb Dan Friedman via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> > >
> > > Panos,
> > >
> > > What about 10.0.0?  Is there an update coming?   I sure hope so… I’m
> > going to be hosed if not.
> > >
> > > -Dan
> > >
> > >
> > > From: use-livecode <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com> on behalf
> of
> > panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> > > Date: Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 7:04 AM
> > > To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> > > Cc: panagiotis merakos <panos.merakos at livecode.com>
> > > Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10 RC-1
> > > Dear list members,
> > >
> > > We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.10 RC-1.
> > >
> > > LiveCode 9.6.10 RC-1 comes with more than 20 bugfixes, including
> support
> > > for Android API 33, which will be a requirement for submitting new apps
> > to
> > > the Google Play Store as of the 31st of August.
> > >
> > > You can find more details on the bug fixes and improvements of this new
> > > release here:
> > >
> > > https://livecode.com/livecode-9-6-10-rc-1-released/
> > >
> > > You can find the release in your LiveCode account area or get it via
> the
> > > automatic updater.
> > >
> > > Enjoy!
> > >
> > > Kind regards
> > > The LiveCode Team
> > > --
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> > > use-livecode mailing list
> > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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> > subscription preferences:
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From andreas.bergendal at gmail.com  Sat Aug 19 11:37:30 2023
From: andreas.bergendal at gmail.com (Andreas Bergendal)
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2023 17:37:30 +0200
Subject: Regex negative lookahead not working in LC?
Message-ID: <8198ED98-7D84-4874-80FB-965632384373@gmail.com>

Hi all,

I’m trying to run a matchChunk regex on an LC script text, with the aim of scoring a hit only if a word is NOT commented out by one of the comment methods.

This regex works beautifully when tested in regex101.com (PCRE flavor):

(?i)^(?:(?!--|#|\/\/).)*\b(myHandler)\b

When applied on the text

command myOtherHandler
   # myHandler
  // myHandler
  -- myhandler
  notMyHandler
end myOtherHandler

it should score zero matches and it does.


When applied on the text

command myOtherHandler
   # myHandler
  // myHandler
  -- myhandler
   myHandler
end myOtherHandler

it should score 1 match and it does.

Applying the same regex in LC does NOT score any match in the latter example though.

Why? Doesn't negative lookahead work in LC? (v9.6.9 stable.)

Best,
Andreas

From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Aug 19 13:07:06 2023
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2023 12:07:06 -0500
Subject: Group corners
In-Reply-To: <AA715BFF-8EF9-45DA-B081-07BEC7D53CAE@swcp.com>
References: <AA715BFF-8EF9-45DA-B081-07BEC7D53CAE@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <18a0ec3c2a8.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>

Weird how? The corners should be right angles. Do you see something different?

--
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HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
On August 18, 2023 3:47:34 PM Dar Scott via use-livecode 
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> If I turn off 3D for a group, the corners of the rectangle are weird. 
> Advice?  Dar
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Aug 19 13:24:57 2023
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2023 12:24:57 -0500
Subject: Regex negative lookahead not working in LC?
In-Reply-To: <8198ED98-7D84-4874-80FB-965632384373@gmail.com>
References: <8198ED98-7D84-4874-80FB-965632384373@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <18a0ed41e28.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>

Nope.
https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21534
--
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HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
On August 19, 2023 10:39:52 AM Andreas Bergendal via use-livecode 
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> Why? Doesn't negative lookahead work in LC? (v9.6.9 stable.)





From andreas.bergendal at gmail.com  Sat Aug 19 14:17:43 2023
From: andreas.bergendal at gmail.com (Andreas Bergendal)
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2023 20:17:43 +0200
Subject: Regex negative lookahead not working in LC?
Message-ID: <0DB59228-0ADC-43B0-AFBE-DE0AC94CC457@gmail.com>

> Nope.
> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21534

Oh no! Well, cumbersome workaround it is then…
Thanks Jacque!


From fmoyer at aol.com  Sat Aug 19 14:32:09 2023
From: fmoyer at aol.com (FRED MOYER)
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2023 14:32:09 -0400
Subject: How to search this list
References: <AB54E0F9-AB9C-483F-AB8E-4539C29F365C.ref@aol.com>
Message-ID: <AB54E0F9-AB9C-483F-AB8E-4539C29F365C@aol.com>

It’s been a long time since I’ve used this list. I’m puzzled -- it says I can search the archives for this list at
	http://www.google.com/advanced_search?q=site:lists.runrev.com <http://www.google.com/advanced_search?q=site:lists.runrev.com>

If I search for something that I know is there (like “CharIndex” which was in some recent posts) it doesn’t find anything. 

In particular, I’m looking for information about keysdown — again no hits in that google search site.

Thanks for your help.

Fred Moyer






From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Sat Aug 19 15:42:26 2023
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2023 15:42:26 -0400
Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10 RC-1
In-Reply-To: <CAPzQJLJoOA8sVo4jpGKdZcmWq5AewLvkURrXJj4TReRyBqr9vQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+JfEq9P4-3x7pJ+vEjN-HNRWjq+k9Y=4BU=Xy6FTSfRN0V6Aw@mail.gmail.com>
 <BYAPR12MB2709B0873413D082DC947D9DB91BA@BYAPR12MB2709.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
 <A53F7BEF-7605-4758-B515-F41DF73B4994@m-r-d.de>
 <CA+JfEq86799=-40xP3kx1uMeWXHye-OkgD3H8BDLb4LOCSbNOA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAPzQJLJoOA8sVo4jpGKdZcmWq5AewLvkURrXJj4TReRyBqr9vQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycPXUy1DVsOhCNFSwHDawvTPm05ECu-+nV0sHCRt9KYPgA@mail.gmail.com>

but hold off on the xcode command line tools 14.3 update?

On Fri, Aug 18, 2023 at 9:14 PM Tom Glod via use-livecode
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> There are a few big ones in this update for me. Thanks.
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 18, 2023 at 5:06 PM panagiotis m via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > Hello all,
> >
> > Yes, the plan is to release LC 10 dp-6 before the end of the month, which
> > will include support for API 33 as well as all the other fixes/enhancements
> > of LC 9.6.10 rc1.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Panos
> >
> > On Fri, 18 Aug 2023, 23:50 matthias rebbe via use-livecode, <
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > > On the 25th July Heather wrote the following:
> > >
> > > "We are working on LiveCode 10 dp6. We expect it to ship in August, with
> > > support for Web Fonts plus a number of bug fixes. Web Fonts turned out to
> > > be rather trickier than expected but it looks like we've got it more or
> > > less sorted out now.
> > >
> > > If there are specific bugs in 10 dp-5 that are really problematic for
> > you,
> > > its worth flagging them to me in support (not on the list) so I can at
> > > least find out for you if they will be fixed in dp-6. Please send me the
> > > bug report number from the Quality Center for checking. "
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Am 18.08.2023 um 22:32 schrieb Dan Friedman via use-livecode <
> > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> > > >
> > > > Panos,
> > > >
> > > > What about 10.0.0?  Is there an update coming?   I sure hope so… I’m
> > > going to be hosed if not.
> > > >
> > > > -Dan
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: use-livecode <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com> on behalf
> > of
> > > panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> > > > Date: Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 7:04 AM
> > > > To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> > > > Cc: panagiotis merakos <panos.merakos at livecode.com>
> > > > Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10 RC-1
> > > > Dear list members,
> > > >
> > > > We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.10 RC-1.
> > > >
> > > > LiveCode 9.6.10 RC-1 comes with more than 20 bugfixes, including
> > support
> > > > for Android API 33, which will be a requirement for submitting new apps
> > > to
> > > > the Google Play Store as of the 31st of August.
> > > >
> > > > You can find more details on the bug fixes and improvements of this new
> > > > release here:
> > > >
> > > > https://livecode.com/livecode-9-6-10-rc-1-released/
> > > >
> > > > You can find the release in your LiveCode account area or get it via
> > the
> > > > automatic updater.
> > > >
> > > > Enjoy!
> > > >
> > > > Kind regards
> > > > The LiveCode Team
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sat Aug 19 16:36:57 2023
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2023 23:36:57 +0300
Subject: How to search this list
In-Reply-To: <AB54E0F9-AB9C-483F-AB8E-4539C29F365C@aol.com>
References: <AB54E0F9-AB9C-483F-AB8E-4539C29F365C.ref@aol.com>
 <AB54E0F9-AB9C-483F-AB8E-4539C29F365C@aol.com>
Message-ID: <9bff91a6-8761-489d-9b5d-1f0dfc493a89@gmail.com>

Well, I am a keysDown 'fan', so why not just explain what your problem 
is . . .

Richmond Mathewson

On 19.08.23 21:32, FRED MOYER via use-livecode wrote:
> Its been a long time since Ive used this list. Im puzzled -- it says I can search the archives for this list at
> 	http://www.google.com/advanced_search?q=site:lists.runrev.com <http://www.google.com/advanced_search?q=site:lists.runrev.com>
>
> If I search for something that I know is there (like CharIndex which was in some recent posts) it doesnt find anything.
>
> In particular, Im looking for information about keysdown  again no hits in that google search site.
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
> Fred Moyer
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Aug 19 16:37:34 2023
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2023 15:37:34 -0500
Subject: How to search this list
In-Reply-To: <AB54E0F9-AB9C-483F-AB8E-4539C29F365C@aol.com>
References: <AB54E0F9-AB9C-483F-AB8E-4539C29F365C.ref@aol.com>
 <AB54E0F9-AB9C-483F-AB8E-4539C29F365C@aol.com>
Message-ID: <18a0f8476b0.276f.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>

I'm not sure why the Google search doesn't work, but I generally use this:
<https://www.mail-archive.com/use-livecode at lists.runrev.com/>

--
Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
On August 19, 2023 1:34:16 PM FRED MOYER via use-livecode 
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Its been a long time since Ive used this list. Im puzzled -- it says I 
> can search the archives for this list at
> 	http://www.google.com/advanced_search?q=site:lists.runrev.com 
> <http://www.google.com/advanced_search?q=site:lists.runrev.com>
>
> If I search for something that I know is there (like CharIndex which was 
> in some recent posts) it doesnt find anything.
>
> In particular, Im looking for information about keysdown  again no hits 
> in that google search site.
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
> Fred Moyer
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
> subscription preferences:
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From tom at makeshyft.com  Sat Aug 19 16:57:44 2023
From: tom at makeshyft.com (Tom Glod)
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2023 16:57:44 -0400
Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10 RC-1
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycPXUy1DVsOhCNFSwHDawvTPm05ECu-+nV0sHCRt9KYPgA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+JfEq9P4-3x7pJ+vEjN-HNRWjq+k9Y=4BU=Xy6FTSfRN0V6Aw@mail.gmail.com>
 <BYAPR12MB2709B0873413D082DC947D9DB91BA@BYAPR12MB2709.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
 <A53F7BEF-7605-4758-B515-F41DF73B4994@m-r-d.de>
 <CA+JfEq86799=-40xP3kx1uMeWXHye-OkgD3H8BDLb4LOCSbNOA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAPzQJLJoOA8sVo4jpGKdZcmWq5AewLvkURrXJj4TReRyBqr9vQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CADCoycPXUy1DVsOhCNFSwHDawvTPm05ECu-+nV0sHCRt9KYPgA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPzQJLL2CHzgmMXLFE4YPLgA3P1jC1bpvKLcWN1KSa9u8oqehw@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

Does this mean we have JSON support in SQLite?

This is from the documentation.:

 In other words, the JSON functions went from being opt-in with SQLite
version 3.37.2 and earlier to opt-out with SQLite version 3.38.0 and later.

Are we keeping strict to the specifications of each SQLITE version?

From mark at livecode.com  Sun Aug 20 03:09:02 2023
From: mark at livecode.com (Mark Waddingham)
Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2023 08:09:02 +0100
Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10 RC-1
In-Reply-To: <CAPzQJLL2CHzgmMXLFE4YPLgA3P1jC1bpvKLcWN1KSa9u8oqehw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+JfEq9P4-3x7pJ+vEjN-HNRWjq+k9Y=4BU=Xy6FTSfRN0V6Aw@mail.gmail.com>
 <BYAPR12MB2709B0873413D082DC947D9DB91BA@BYAPR12MB2709.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
 <A53F7BEF-7605-4758-B515-F41DF73B4994@m-r-d.de>
 <CA+JfEq86799=-40xP3kx1uMeWXHye-OkgD3H8BDLb4LOCSbNOA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAPzQJLJoOA8sVo4jpGKdZcmWq5AewLvkURrXJj4TReRyBqr9vQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CADCoycPXUy1DVsOhCNFSwHDawvTPm05ECu-+nV0sHCRt9KYPgA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAPzQJLL2CHzgmMXLFE4YPLgA3P1jC1bpvKLcWN1KSa9u8oqehw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7e9e3b20bd90462d31408ac2f6c008ab@livecode.com>

On 2023-08-19 21:57, Tom Glod via use-livecode wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> Does this mean we have JSON support in SQLite?
> 
> This is from the documentation.:
> 
>  In other words, the JSON functions went from being opt-in with SQLite
> version 3.37.2 and earlier to opt-out with SQLite version 3.38.0 and 
> later.

The SQLite JSON support was included in dbsqlite in 9.0.3 - 
https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21821

Warmest Regards,

Mark.

-- 
Mark Waddingham ~ mark at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
LiveCode: Build Amazing Things


From roland.huettmann at gmail.com  Sun Aug 20 13:25:42 2023
From: roland.huettmann at gmail.com (R.H.)
Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2023 19:25:42 +0200
Subject: How to search this list
Message-ID: <CAG1Q0g_biS-kYRQ=iGaCymn_cuLXmi8Wg1cv_+FVAjx98o267w@mail.gmail.com>

I also can not use Google search. It finds nothing in the list. If Google
is not the culprit then it deserves a bug report.

From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Sun Aug 20 14:30:10 2023
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2023 20:30:10 +0200
Subject: How to search this list
In-Reply-To: <CAG1Q0g_biS-kYRQ=iGaCymn_cuLXmi8Wg1cv_+FVAjx98o267w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAG1Q0g_biS-kYRQ=iGaCymn_cuLXmi8Wg1cv_+FVAjx98o267w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <11F15409-DB68-4336-A47B-0BC95733F808@m-r-d.de>

I just tested and used

search livecode uselist

for a google search. The 6th result showed a link to the the--mail-archive which also has a complete archiv of this mailing list.



> Am 20.08.2023 um 19:25 schrieb R.H. via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> I also can not use Google search. It finds nothing in the list. If Google
> is not the culprit then it deserves a bug report.
> _______________________________________________
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> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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From dsc at swcp.com  Sun Aug 20 20:50:34 2023
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2023 18:50:34 -0600
Subject: Group corners
In-Reply-To: <18a0ec3c2a8.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <AA715BFF-8EF9-45DA-B081-07BEC7D53CAE@swcp.com>
 <18a0ec3c2a8.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <247E8418-0CB7-4A79-9291-F251964E4212@swcp.com>

On Mac and LiveCode 9.6.9…

Make a new stack. Put a few controls on it. Group them.

Give the group a name

Set the border width to something like 10-15 so the effect is visible.

Turn off 3D. 
 
Turn on border.

Now, turn show name on and off. When show name is off, the border looks good. When on, the border is goofy.

On my machine, when show name is on, the border gets thinner, most times. The ends of the border near the name is split into two lengths. The corners are split and some of the splits are too short. There are gaps compared to the pretty border when show name is off.

Dar


> On Aug 19, 2023, at 11:07 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Weird how? The corners should be right angles. Do you see something different?
> 
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> On August 18, 2023 3:47:34 PM Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> If I turn off 3D for a group, the corners of the rectangle are weird. Advice? — Dar
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From alex at tweedly.net  Mon Aug 21 05:56:19 2023
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2023 10:56:19 +0100
Subject: Group corners
In-Reply-To: <247E8418-0CB7-4A79-9291-F251964E4212@swcp.com>
References: <AA715BFF-8EF9-45DA-B081-07BEC7D53CAE@swcp.com>
 <18a0ec3c2a8.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <247E8418-0CB7-4A79-9291-F251964E4212@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <c82c833d-114e-4c1c-a2c5-0f2fead3ba02@tweedly.net>

I see those kind of changes (10.0.0DP5, MacOS), but the border changes 
from solid black to black/white lines - with those 'splits' you described.

Alex.

On 21/08/2023 01:50, Dar Scott via use-livecode wrote:
> On Mac and LiveCode 9.6.9
>
> Make a new stack. Put a few controls on it. Group them.
>
> Give the group a name
>
> Set the border width to something like 10-15 so the effect is visible.
>
> Turn off 3D.
>   
> Turn on border.
>
> Now, turn show name on and off. When show name is off, the border looks good. When on, the border is goofy.
>
> On my machine, when show name is on, the border gets thinner, most times. The ends of the border near the name is split into two lengths. The corners are split and some of the splits are too short. There are gaps compared to the pretty border when show name is off.
>
> Dar
>
>
>> On Aug 19, 2023, at 11:07 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> Weird how? The corners should be right angles. Do you see something different?
>>
>> --
>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>> On August 18, 2023 3:47:34 PM Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>>> If I turn off 3D for a group, the corners of the rectangle are weird. Advice?  Dar
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>>
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From mkoob at rogers.com  Mon Aug 21 07:03:32 2023
From: mkoob at rogers.com (Martin Koob)
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2023 07:03:32 -0400
Subject: How to search this list
In-Reply-To: <CAG1Q0g_biS-kYRQ=iGaCymn_cuLXmi8Wg1cv_+FVAjx98o267w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAG1Q0g_biS-kYRQ=iGaCymn_cuLXmi8Wg1cv_+FVAjx98o267w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A44CE15C-88CA-47BE-BFD7-CA5547C5D86A@rogers.com>

Hi

I followed the first few steps of the instructions on the following site.


https://www.wikihow.com/Use-Google-to-Search-Within-a-Specific-Website


 I tried this search term looking for mentions of ‘regex' in the search field of the google page not the search bar at the top.

site:http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-livecode/ regex

It returned 4 hits from the lists.  Doubt that is all of them but it is not that popular a topic

I tried then the search term ‘datagrid’  undoubtedly a more popular topic.

site:http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-livecode/ datagrid

It returned 5 hits.  I am sure that is only a small fraction.

So it kinda works  but  something is weird.   Maybe there is a parameter that sets the number of results.

Martin



> On Aug 20, 2023, at 1:25 PM, R.H. via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I also can not use Google search. It finds nothing in the list. If Google
> is not the culprit then it deserves a bug report.
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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From dsc at swcp.com  Mon Aug 21 11:47:05 2023
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2023 09:47:05 -0600
Subject: Group corners
In-Reply-To: <c82c833d-114e-4c1c-a2c5-0f2fead3ba02@tweedly.net>
References: <AA715BFF-8EF9-45DA-B081-07BEC7D53CAE@swcp.com>
 <18a0ec3c2a8.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <247E8418-0CB7-4A79-9291-F251964E4212@swcp.com>
 <c82c833d-114e-4c1c-a2c5-0f2fead3ba02@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <52792949-7B0F-4F38-BDBC-A3AE7F8C641A@swcp.com>

I sprinkled some colors over the different object colors. I can see more of what is happening that way. 

Show name off: The border grows outward. If 3D is off, it has the border color. If it is on it has the bevel colors: left and top are the bottom bevel, bottom and right have the top bevel.

Show name on: Again 3D changes whether the background is used for both bevel colors or the two bevel colors are used. In this case though, instead	of the whole outline having the above color pattern, the border lines, do. In addition the inside border grows **inward**, covering things. Also, a background stripe above and below the top line covers things. This might be the background of the label; I couldn’t figure out how to set the alpha of colors to test that, so I use the opaque check box. Even with opaque of, objects are obscured.

It looks as though instead of putting an appropriate sized label over the border for the name, the object puts the opaque label above the content and tries to draw a border on top of that. The drawing is the 3D drawing, lines have 3D, not the whole rectangle of the border. The only difference for turning off 3D is using border instead of the bevels. With 3D on, one can see what is happening. The outside line is much like without the show name half width, but with a little diagonal gap in the upper left. The inside line, grows inward :( and has gaps in the lines, including the line ends around the name label.

Some behavior depends on the order I check boxes. For some experiments clear all check boxes and then turn on some.

The behavior I would have hoped for is this:

* The border always grows outward.
* Adding the show name does not change the border or background; it just puts a label over it.
* The background is in the back and extends consistently to either the inside of the border, the middle of the border or outside edge of the border. The background for the name label is the same as that for the group including the opaque modifier, so a blip of background might extend above the top border. This is noticeable only with show name.
*  Except for a little blip around the label when opaque is on, nothing obscures the content region.
* The label border is tight.

A better way might be to crop out a hole in the current border and place the name label there with a transparent background. Or layer them behind the content, but above the background. 

So…

I don’t seem to be doing something wrong. I need to look for a workaround. 

Thoughts (all involving keeping show name off):

1. I could put a small-margin label into the grouped controls so it fits just inside the border in a consistent corner.

2 I can put an opaque label on top of my border. The background color might be chosen to be that of the named group or that of its parent. I would have to address moving the group. There might be 3 ways. a) Move the label by hand. b) Add a script to do that. c) Put both label and my group into another group, but then have to figure out “of” and “parent” in scripts.

3 Draw my own border and label as the group content. (However, something seems to be weird with my rectangles on Windows.)

4. Any ideas you folks have.

Dar

> On Aug 21, 2023, at 3:56 AM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I see those kind of changes (10.0.0DP5, MacOS), but the border changes from solid black to black/white lines - with those 'splits' you described.
> 
> Alex.
> 
> On 21/08/2023 01:50, Dar Scott via use-livecode wrote:
>> On Mac and LiveCode 9.6.9…
>> 
>> Make a new stack. Put a few controls on it. Group them.
>> 
>> Give the group a name
>> 
>> Set the border width to something like 10-15 so the effect is visible.
>> 
>> Turn off 3D.
>>  Turn on border.
>> 
>> Now, turn show name on and off. When show name is off, the border looks good. When on, the border is goofy.
>> 
>> On my machine, when show name is on, the border gets thinner, most times. The ends of the border near the name is split into two lengths. The corners are split and some of the splits are too short. There are gaps compared to the pretty border when show name is off.
>> 
>> Dar
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 19, 2023, at 11:07 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Weird how? The corners should be right angles. Do you see something different?
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>> On August 18, 2023 3:47:34 PM Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> If I turn off 3D for a group, the corners of the rectangle are weird. Advice? — Dar
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From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Mon Aug 21 12:09:20 2023
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2023 17:09:20 +0100
Subject: No progress updates on LC 10. Am i the only one who is concerned?
In-Reply-To: <53887cdf-9bf4-4534-0741-ab08156b180b@cogapp.com>
References: <8F7D10FF-1B32-4177-BFDC-7CEE721ACF8A@m-r-d.de>
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Sad update: it's just happened to me again, with Bracket Completion switched 
off. I literally checked just before starting to type the format statement; 
after it crashed and I relaunched 10.0.0.dp5, I checked again. It was still 
switched off.

I see that the bug is marked awaiting release - but it's not mentioned in the 
release notes for 10.0.0dp6.

:-(


On 26/07/2023 09:58, Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode wrote:
> Oooh - I hadn't spotted that. (With only a little bit of fear) I'll venture 
> back into 10dp5 and turn that off. Thanks Geoff!
> 
> On 26/07/2023 03:49, Geoff Canyon via use-livecode wrote:
>> So, not to be too much of an apologist, but the issue doesn't seem like a
>> showstopper to me.
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 25, 2023 at 10:36AM Dick Kriesel via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 11:37 AM, Geoff Canyon via use-livecode <
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Maybe a silly question, but that issue lists "turn on bracket completion"
>>>> as a step to reproduce. If bracket completion is off, is it safe?
>>>
>>> Hi, Geoff. I filed the report. With bracket completion off, I saw no such
>>> problem.
>>>  Dick
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From dsc at swcp.com  Mon Aug 21 12:50:37 2023
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2023 10:50:37 -0600
Subject: Group corners
In-Reply-To: <52792949-7B0F-4F38-BDBC-A3AE7F8C641A@swcp.com>
References: <AA715BFF-8EF9-45DA-B081-07BEC7D53CAE@swcp.com>
 <18a0ec3c2a8.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
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For now, I’m using a temporary solution: I am setting the border width to 1. That might become a long-term workaround. — Dar


> On Aug 21, 2023, at 9:47 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I sprinkled some colors over the different object colors. I can see more of what is happening that way. 
> 
> Show name off: The border grows outward. If 3D is off, it has the border color. If it is on it has the bevel colors: left and top are the bottom bevel, bottom and right have the top bevel.
> 
> Show name on: Again 3D changes whether the background is used for both bevel colors or the two bevel colors are used. In this case though, instead	of the whole outline having the above color pattern, the border lines, do. In addition the inside border grows **inward**, covering things. Also, a background stripe above and below the top line covers things. This might be the background of the label; I couldn’t figure out how to set the alpha of colors to test that, so I use the opaque check box. Even with opaque of, objects are obscured.
> 
> It looks as though instead of putting an appropriate sized label over the border for the name, the object puts the opaque label above the content and tries to draw a border on top of that. The drawing is the 3D drawing, lines have 3D, not the whole rectangle of the border. The only difference for turning off 3D is using border instead of the bevels. With 3D on, one can see what is happening. The outside line is much like without the show name half width, but with a little diagonal gap in the upper left. The inside line, grows inward :( and has gaps in the lines, including the line ends around the name label.
> 
> Some behavior depends on the order I check boxes. For some experiments clear all check boxes and then turn on some.
> 
> The behavior I would have hoped for is this:
> 
> * The border always grows outward.
> * Adding the show name does not change the border or background; it just puts a label over it.
> * The background is in the back and extends consistently to either the inside of the border, the middle of the border or outside edge of the border. The background for the name label is the same as that for the group including the opaque modifier, so a blip of background might extend above the top border. This is noticeable only with show name.
> *  Except for a little blip around the label when opaque is on, nothing obscures the content region.
> * The label border is tight.
> 
> A better way might be to crop out a hole in the current border and place the name label there with a transparent background. Or layer them behind the content, but above the background. 
> 
> So…
> 
> I don’t seem to be doing something wrong. I need to look for a workaround. 
> 
> Thoughts (all involving keeping show name off):
> 
> 1. I could put a small-margin label into the grouped controls so it fits just inside the border in a consistent corner.
> 
> 2 I can put an opaque label on top of my border. The background color might be chosen to be that of the named group or that of its parent. I would have to address moving the group. There might be 3 ways. a) Move the label by hand. b) Add a script to do that. c) Put both label and my group into another group, but then have to figure out “of” and “parent” in scripts.
> 
> 3 Draw my own border and label as the group content. (However, something seems to be weird with my rectangles on Windows.)
> 
> 4. Any ideas you folks have.
> 
> Dar
> 
>> On Aug 21, 2023, at 3:56 AM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I see those kind of changes (10.0.0DP5, MacOS), but the border changes from solid black to black/white lines - with those 'splits' you described.
>> 
>> Alex.
>> 
>> On 21/08/2023 01:50, Dar Scott via use-livecode wrote:
>>> On Mac and LiveCode 9.6.9…
>>> 
>>> Make a new stack. Put a few controls on it. Group them.
>>> 
>>> Give the group a name
>>> 
>>> Set the border width to something like 10-15 so the effect is visible.
>>> 
>>> Turn off 3D.
>>> Turn on border.
>>> 
>>> Now, turn show name on and off. When show name is off, the border looks good. When on, the border is goofy.
>>> 
>>> On my machine, when show name is on, the border gets thinner, most times. The ends of the border near the name is split into two lengths. The corners are split and some of the splits are too short. There are gaps compared to the pretty border when show name is off.
>>> 
>>> Dar
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 19, 2023, at 11:07 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Weird how? The corners should be right angles. Do you see something different?
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>>> On August 18, 2023 3:47:34 PM Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> If I turn off 3D for a group, the corners of the rectangle are weird. Advice? — Dar
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Aug 21 12:58:42 2023
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2023 16:58:42 +0000
Subject: Group corners
In-Reply-To: <1CFAF166-6813-4FBA-94E1-59C0CAD2FD2E@swcp.com>
References: <AA715BFF-8EF9-45DA-B081-07BEC7D53CAE@swcp.com>
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Message-ID: <A6A4836A-F80B-4A6F-8BE7-B9AE8F5E523E@iotecdigital.com>

Another thing you can do is draw the “border” the way you want in a graphic app with an alpha channel for whatever you want to be transparent. Then import that image and place it behind whatever you want a border around. Be sure to set the quality to best. If you need the “border” to change, create multiple graphics, then set the source of the image accordingly. 

Bob S


> On Aug 21, 2023, at 9:50 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> For now, I’m using a temporary solution: I am setting the border width to 1. That might become a long-term workaround. — Dar
> 
> 
>> On Aug 21, 2023, at 9:47 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I sprinkled some colors over the different object colors. I can see more of what is happening that way. 
>> 
>> Show name off: The border grows outward. If 3D is off, it has the border color. If it is on it has the bevel colors: left and top are the bottom bevel, bottom and right have the top bevel.
>> 
>> Show name on: Again 3D changes whether the background is used for both bevel colors or the two bevel colors are used. In this case though, instead	of the whole outline having the above color pattern, the border lines, do. In addition the inside border grows **inward**, covering things. Also, a background stripe above and below the top line covers things. This might be the background of the label; I couldn’t figure out how to set the alpha of colors to test that, so I use the opaque check box. Even with opaque of, objects are obscured.
>> 
>> It looks as though instead of putting an appropriate sized label over the border for the name, the object puts the opaque label above the content and tries to draw a border on top of that. The drawing is the 3D drawing, lines have 3D, not the whole rectangle of the border. The only difference for turning off 3D is using border instead of the bevels. With 3D on, one can see what is happening. The outside line is much like without the show name half width, but with a little diagonal gap in the upper left. The inside line, grows inward :( and has gaps in the lines, including the line ends around the name label.
>> 
>> Some behavior depends on the order I check boxes. For some experiments clear all check boxes and then turn on some.
>> 
>> The behavior I would have hoped for is this:
>> 
>> * The border always grows outward.
>> * Adding the show name does not change the border or background; it just puts a label over it.
>> * The background is in the back and extends consistently to either the inside of the border, the middle of the border or outside edge of the border. The background for the name label is the same as that for the group including the opaque modifier, so a blip of background might extend above the top border. This is noticeable only with show name.
>> *  Except for a little blip around the label when opaque is on, nothing obscures the content region.
>> * The label border is tight.
>> 
>> A better way might be to crop out a hole in the current border and place the name label there with a transparent background. Or layer them behind the content, but above the background. 
>> 
>> So…
>> 
>> I don’t seem to be doing something wrong. I need to look for a workaround. 
>> 
>> Thoughts (all involving keeping show name off):
>> 
>> 1. I could put a small-margin label into the grouped controls so it fits just inside the border in a consistent corner.
>> 
>> 2 I can put an opaque label on top of my border. The background color might be chosen to be that of the named group or that of its parent. I would have to address moving the group. There might be 3 ways. a) Move the label by hand. b) Add a script to do that. c) Put both label and my group into another group, but then have to figure out “of” and “parent” in scripts.
>> 
>> 3 Draw my own border and label as the group content. (However, something seems to be weird with my rectangles on Windows.)
>> 
>> 4. Any ideas you folks have.
>> 
>> Dar
>> 
>>> On Aug 21, 2023, at 3:56 AM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I see those kind of changes (10.0.0DP5, MacOS), but the border changes from solid black to black/white lines - with those 'splits' you described.
>>> 
>>> Alex.
>>> 
>>> On 21/08/2023 01:50, Dar Scott via use-livecode wrote:
>>>> On Mac and LiveCode 9.6.9…
>>>> 
>>>> Make a new stack. Put a few controls on it. Group them.
>>>> 
>>>> Give the group a name
>>>> 
>>>> Set the border width to something like 10-15 so the effect is visible.
>>>> 
>>>> Turn off 3D.
>>>> Turn on border.
>>>> 
>>>> Now, turn show name on and off. When show name is off, the border looks good. When on, the border is goofy.
>>>> 
>>>> On my machine, when show name is on, the border gets thinner, most times. The ends of the border near the name is split into two lengths. The corners are split and some of the splits are too short. There are gaps compared to the pretty border when show name is off.
>>>> 
>>>> Dar
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Aug 19, 2023, at 11:07 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Weird how? The corners should be right angles. Do you see something different?
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>>>> On August 18, 2023 3:47:34 PM Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> If I turn off 3D for a group, the corners of the rectangle are weird. Advice? — Dar
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Aug 21 18:07:21 2023
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2023 17:07:21 -0500
Subject: Group corners
In-Reply-To: <1CFAF166-6813-4FBA-94E1-59C0CAD2FD2E@swcp.com>
References: <AA715BFF-8EF9-45DA-B081-07BEC7D53CAE@swcp.com>
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Message-ID: <3ee55d42-7222-ed9e-76fb-8a8119b2e7b5@hyperactivesw.com>

On 8/21/23 11:50 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode wrote:
> For now, I’m using a temporary solution: I am setting the border width to 1. That might become a long-term workaround.

I can reproduce your results. Weird thing: if I leave showName and showBorder on, and set the 
borderWidth to 4, and then turn on 3D I get a nice clean gray-ish border without any splits or 
lines.

Tested in LC 9.6.10 RC 1.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Aug 21 18:36:20 2023
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2023 22:36:20 +0000
Subject: Group corners
In-Reply-To: <3ee55d42-7222-ed9e-76fb-8a8119b2e7b5@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <AA715BFF-8EF9-45DA-B081-07BEC7D53CAE@swcp.com>
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Message-ID: <744C1C8D-F279-48AE-A73D-1935EE9BFD04@iotecdigital.com>

Oh right! You can’t have 3D with a 1 pixel border, can you?? I missed that. 

Bob S


> On Aug 21, 2023, at 3:07 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> On 8/21/23 11:50 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode wrote:
>> For now, I’m using a temporary solution: I am setting the border width to 1. That might become a long-term workaround.
> 
> I can reproduce your results. Weird thing: if I leave showName and showBorder on, and set the borderWidth to 4, and then turn on 3D I get a nice clean gray-ish border without any splits or lines.
> 
> Tested in LC 9.6.10 RC 1.
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> 
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Aug 21 21:44:17 2023
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2023 20:44:17 -0500
Subject: Group corners
In-Reply-To: <744C1C8D-F279-48AE-A73D-1935EE9BFD04@iotecdigital.com>
References: <AA715BFF-8EF9-45DA-B081-07BEC7D53CAE@swcp.com>
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 <247E8418-0CB7-4A79-9291-F251964E4212@swcp.com>
 <c82c833d-114e-4c1c-a2c5-0f2fead3ba02@tweedly.net>
 <52792949-7B0F-4F38-BDBC-A3AE7F8C641A@swcp.com>
 <1CFAF166-6813-4FBA-94E1-59C0CAD2FD2E@swcp.com>
 <3ee55d42-7222-ed9e-76fb-8a8119b2e7b5@hyperactivesw.com>
 <744C1C8D-F279-48AE-A73D-1935EE9BFD04@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <18a1ae9fd68.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>

Right, but the weird thing is that with a 4-pixel border and 3d, it isn't 
3d. It's a plain gray border with the label appropriately placed. Three 
pixels works about the same.

--
Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
On August 21, 2023 5:38:26 PM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Oh right! You cant have 3D with a 1 pixel border, can you?? I missed that.
>
> Bob S
>
>
>> On Aug 21, 2023, at 3:07 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> On 8/21/23 11:50 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode wrote:
>>> For now, Im using a temporary solution: I am setting the border width to 
>>> 1. That might become a long-term workaround.
>>
>> I can reproduce your results. Weird thing: if I leave showName and 
>> showBorder on, and set the borderWidth to 4, and then turn on 3D I get a 
>> nice clean gray-ish border without any splits or lines.
>>
>> Tested in LC 9.6.10 RC 1.
>>
>> --
>> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>
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From fmoyer at aol.com  Mon Aug 21 23:05:52 2023
From: fmoyer at aol.com (FRED MOYER)
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2023 23:05:52 -0400
Subject: use-livecode Digest, Vol 239, Issue 22
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1692547201.136867.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.1.1692547201.136867.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <AB657832-A972-449E-A9E9-288965D2F410@aol.com>

Thanks everyone for the answers. I think I’m ok with keysdown now — just needed to sort a few things out.

Fred



> On Aug 20, 2023, at 12:00 PM, use-livecode-request at lists.runrev.com wrote:
> 
> Message: 6
> Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2023 23:36:57 +0300
> From: Richmond Mathewson <richmondmathewson at gmail.com <mailto:richmondmathewson at gmail.com>>
> To: FRED MOYER via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>>
> Subject: Re: How to search this list
> Message-ID: <9bff91a6-8761-489d-9b5d-1f0dfc493a89 at gmail.com <mailto:9bff91a6-8761-489d-9b5d-1f0dfc493a89 at gmail.com>>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
> 
> Well, I am a keysDown 'fan', so why not just explain what your problem 
> is . . .
> 
> Richmond Mathewson
> 
> On 19.08.23 21:32, FRED MOYER via use-livecode wrote:
>> It?s been a long time since I?ve used this list. I?m puzzled -- it says I can search the archives for this list at
>> 	http://www.google.com/advanced_search?q=site:lists.runrev.com <http://www.google.com/advanced_search?q=site:lists.runrev.com> <http://www.google.com/advanced_search?q=site:lists.runrev.com <http://www.google.com/advanced_search?q=site:lists.runrev.com>>
>> 
>> If I search for something that I know is there (like ?CharIndex? which was in some recent posts) it doesn?t find anything.
>> 
>> In particular, I?m looking for information about keysdown ? again no hits in that google search site.
>> 
>> Thanks for your help.
>> 
>> Fred Moyer
>> 


From dsc at swcp.com  Tue Aug 22 09:05:56 2023
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2023 07:05:56 -0600
Subject: Group corners
In-Reply-To: <18a1ae9fd68.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <AA715BFF-8EF9-45DA-B081-07BEC7D53CAE@swcp.com>
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 <52792949-7B0F-4F38-BDBC-A3AE7F8C641A@swcp.com>
 <1CFAF166-6813-4FBA-94E1-59C0CAD2FD2E@swcp.com>
 <3ee55d42-7222-ed9e-76fb-8a8119b2e7b5@hyperactivesw.com>
 <744C1C8D-F279-48AE-A73D-1935EE9BFD04@iotecdigital.com>
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Message-ID: <674F8AAF-5F4C-42C1-831C-C51B384C4D6A@swcp.com>

Yeah, the order of things seem to make a difference. It is sometimes hard to do deltas. My lazy programming style is to rebuild GUI features based on the current state whenever there is a change, and then look closer if that gets slow. 

> On Aug 21, 2023, at 7:44 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Right, but the weird thing is that with a 4-pixel border and 3d, it isn't 3d. It's a plain gray border with the label appropriately placed. Three pixels works about the same.
> 
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> On August 21, 2023 5:38:26 PM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> Oh right! You can’t have 3D with a 1 pixel border, can you?? I missed that.
>> 
>> Bob S
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 21, 2023, at 3:07 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 8/21/23 11:50 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode wrote:
>>>> For now, I’m using a temporary solution: I am setting the border width to 1. That might become a long-term workaround.
>>> 
>>> I can reproduce your results. Weird thing: if I leave showName and showBorder on, and set the borderWidth to 4, and then turn on 3D I get a nice clean gray-ish border without any splits or lines.
>>> 
>>> Tested in LC 9.6.10 RC 1.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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From dsc at swcp.com  Tue Aug 22 12:57:20 2023
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2023 10:57:20 -0600
Subject: Behaviors
Message-ID: <E8D646E0-E712-47F1-9976-C86F2C5C7AA5@swcp.com>


I am misremembering things about Behaviors.

I have a card with my behavior buttons, but I can’t seem to point to buttons on that card. Maybe, I’m remembering what I did long ago with front scripts. 

I suppose I can use substacks, but I’m worried that the stacks would be in the message path. Is there a way to keep the stack out of the message path?

From alex at tweedly.net  Tue Aug 22 13:09:08 2023
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2023 18:09:08 +0100
Subject: Behaviors
In-Reply-To: <E8D646E0-E712-47F1-9976-C86F2C5C7AA5@swcp.com>
References: <E8D646E0-E712-47F1-9976-C86F2C5C7AA5@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <6a88a801-283f-4b5f-86b0-77e44f57d7da@tweedly.net>

Not sure how it works in the IDE - seems a problem because it only 
presents button in the current stack.

So I do it all in preOpen... scripts, doing something like

> set the behavior of fld "F" of grp tmpName to the long id of button 
> "RichTextFieldBehaviour" of \
>          card "Behaviours" of stack "/Users/alextweedly/Dropbox/My 
> Livecode/Libraries/richText.livecode"

Alex.

On 22/08/2023 17:57, Dar Scott via use-livecode wrote:
> I am misremembering things about Behaviors.
>
> I have a card with my behavior buttons, but I cant seem to point to buttons on that card. Maybe, Im remembering what I did long ago with front scripts.
>
> I suppose I can use substacks, but Im worried that the stacks would be in the message path. Is there a way to keep the stack out of the message path?
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From dsc at swcp.com  Tue Aug 22 13:12:06 2023
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2023 11:12:06 -0600
Subject: Group corners
In-Reply-To: <674F8AAF-5F4C-42C1-831C-C51B384C4D6A@swcp.com>
References: <AA715BFF-8EF9-45DA-B081-07BEC7D53CAE@swcp.com>
 <18a0ec3c2a8.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <247E8418-0CB7-4A79-9291-F251964E4212@swcp.com>
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Message-ID: <84FAB4BF-3B26-48CE-BBDD-854C224A9FF1@swcp.com>

Arg. There is a pixel missing in the upper left corner even when the border width is 1. — Dar

> On Aug 22, 2023, at 7:05 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Yeah, the order of things seem to make a difference. It is sometimes hard to do deltas. My lazy programming style is to rebuild GUI features based on the current state whenever there is a change, and then look closer if that gets slow. 
> 
>> On Aug 21, 2023, at 7:44 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Right, but the weird thing is that with a 4-pixel border and 3d, it isn't 3d. It's a plain gray border with the label appropriately placed. Three pixels works about the same.
>> 
>> --
>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>> On August 21, 2023 5:38:26 PM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Oh right! You can’t have 3D with a 1 pixel border, can you?? I missed that.
>>> 
>>> Bob S
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 21, 2023, at 3:07 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> On 8/21/23 11:50 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode wrote:
>>>>> For now, I’m using a temporary solution: I am setting the border width to 1. That might become a long-term workaround.
>>>> 
>>>> I can reproduce your results. Weird thing: if I leave showName and showBorder on, and set the borderWidth to 4, and then turn on 3D I get a nice clean gray-ish border without any splits or lines.
>>>> 
>>>> Tested in LC 9.6.10 RC 1.
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>>> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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From dsc at swcp.com  Tue Aug 22 13:36:36 2023
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2023 11:36:36 -0600
Subject: Behaviors
In-Reply-To: <6a88a801-283f-4b5f-86b0-77e44f57d7da@tweedly.net>
References: <E8D646E0-E712-47F1-9976-C86F2C5C7AA5@swcp.com>
 <6a88a801-283f-4b5f-86b0-77e44f57d7da@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <77958622-E960-4C90-97CC-AE3FC21CF1D7@swcp.com>

I figured out how to do it in the IDE. I needed to include “of stack” in the reference. — Dar

> On Aug 22, 2023, at 11:09 AM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Not sure how it works in the IDE - seems a problem because it only presents button in the current stack.
> 
> So I do it all in preOpen... scripts, doing something like
> 
>> set the behavior of fld "F" of grp tmpName to the long id of button "RichTextFieldBehaviour" of \
>>          card "Behaviours" of stack "/Users/alextweedly/Dropbox/My Livecode/Libraries/richText.livecode"
> 
> Alex.
> 
> On 22/08/2023 17:57, Dar Scott via use-livecode wrote:
>> I am misremembering things about Behaviors.
>> 
>> I have a card with my behavior buttons, but I can’t seem to point to buttons on that card. Maybe, I’m remembering what I did long ago with front scripts.
>> 
>> I suppose I can use substacks, but I’m worried that the stacks would be in the message path. Is there a way to keep the stack out of the message path?
>> _______________________________________________
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From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Tue Aug 22 15:05:03 2023
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2023 15:05:03 -0400
Subject: Behaviors
In-Reply-To: <77958622-E960-4C90-97CC-AE3FC21CF1D7@swcp.com>
References: <E8D646E0-E712-47F1-9976-C86F2C5C7AA5@swcp.com>
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 <77958622-E960-4C90-97CC-AE3FC21CF1D7@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycOv-mbthFW+B+Y5SaniFu5CM6cjmyPwQNJxGPFA_DHsPA@mail.gmail.com>

you probably know this: in the property inspector, there's a panel for
behavior, so you can just select the behavior from a menu button,
without having to type it

On Tue, Aug 22, 2023 at 1:37 PM Dar Scott via use-livecode
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> I figured out how to do it in the IDE. I needed to include “of stack” in the reference. — Dar
>
> > On Aug 22, 2023, at 11:09 AM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Not sure how it works in the IDE - seems a problem because it only presents button in the current stack.
> >
> > So I do it all in preOpen... scripts, doing something like
> >
> >> set the behavior of fld "F" of grp tmpName to the long id of button "RichTextFieldBehaviour" of \
> >>          card "Behaviours" of stack "/Users/alextweedly/Dropbox/My Livecode/Libraries/richText.livecode"
> >
> > Alex.
> >
> > On 22/08/2023 17:57, Dar Scott via use-livecode wrote:
> >> I am misremembering things about Behaviors.
> >>
> >> I have a card with my behavior buttons, but I can’t seem to point to buttons on that card. Maybe, I’m remembering what I did long ago with front scripts.
> >>
> >> I suppose I can use substacks, but I’m worried that the stacks would be in the message path. Is there a way to keep the stack out of the message path?
> >> _______________________________________________
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Aug 22 16:08:58 2023
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2023 15:08:58 -0500
Subject: Group corners
In-Reply-To: <84FAB4BF-3B26-48CE-BBDD-854C224A9FF1@swcp.com>
References: <AA715BFF-8EF9-45DA-B081-07BEC7D53CAE@swcp.com>
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Message-ID: <d66be798-40c5-f806-8b9e-f4d1c65738c8@hyperactivesw.com>

It's probably about time to submit a bug report. The behavior we see isn't expected. 
<https://quality.livecode.com>


On 8/22/23 12:12 PM, Dar Scott via use-livecode wrote:
> Arg. There is a pixel missing in the upper left corner even when the border width is 1. — Dar
> 
>> On Aug 22, 2023, at 7:05 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> Yeah, the order of things seem to make a difference. It is sometimes hard to do deltas. My lazy programming style is to rebuild GUI features based on the current state whenever there is a change, and then look closer if that gets slow.
>>
>>> On Aug 21, 2023, at 7:44 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Right, but the weird thing is that with a 4-pixel border and 3d, it isn't 3d. It's a plain gray border with the label appropriately placed. Three pixels works about the same.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>> On August 21, 2023 5:38:26 PM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Oh right! You can’t have 3D with a 1 pixel border, can you?? I missed that.
>>>>
>>>> Bob S
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 21, 2023, at 3:07 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On 8/21/23 11:50 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode wrote:
>>>>>> For now, I’m using a temporary solution: I am setting the border width to 1. That might become a long-term workaround.
>>>>>
>>>>> I can reproduce your results. Weird thing: if I leave showName and showBorder on, and set the borderWidth to 4, and then turn on 3D I get a nice clean gray-ish border without any splits or lines.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tested in LC 9.6.10 RC 1.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From tom at makeshyft.com  Tue Aug 22 16:43:28 2023
From: tom at makeshyft.com (Tom Glod)
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2023 16:43:28 -0400
Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10 RC-1
In-Reply-To: <7e9e3b20bd90462d31408ac2f6c008ab@livecode.com>
References: <CA+JfEq9P4-3x7pJ+vEjN-HNRWjq+k9Y=4BU=Xy6FTSfRN0V6Aw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAPzQJLJsCbzPsGPP_B+MNPcjjZeKGeFappEy3L8rxbz2eWgZAw@mail.gmail.com>

Interesting, when I tried to use them recently they didn't work.
Will test again, maybe it was my bad, thanks Mark.

On Sun, Aug 20, 2023 at 3:09 AM Mark Waddingham via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> On 2023-08-19 21:57, Tom Glod via use-livecode wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > Does this mean we have JSON support in SQLite?
> >
> > This is from the documentation.:
> >
> >  In other words, the JSON functions went from being opt-in with SQLite
> > version 3.37.2 and earlier to opt-out with SQLite version 3.38.0 and
> > later.
>
> The SQLite JSON support was included in dbsqlite in 9.0.3 -
> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21821
>
> Warmest Regards,
>
> Mark.
>
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From paul at researchware.com  Tue Aug 22 17:02:10 2023
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2023 17:02:10 -0400
Subject: Polygrid questions
Message-ID: <b9267b6f-455b-e0df-adc7-5c95a370ed84@researchware.com>

I see I have the properties of a polygrid for:

pgColumns -- an array of all column properties

and

pgColumnWidths -- a comma delimited list of widths

There does not seem to be a distinct property just for alignments, such 
as pgColumnAlignments

What I need to do is change the width and/or alignment of a specific 
column (that can change which column based on data). I can se no way of 
doing this other than repopulating the pgColumns array

If I try

set the pgColumnWidths of widget "rwTableview" to 
"300,75,75,75,75,75,75,75,75"

for example, that seems to have no effect.

If I try to just change one element of the column array, such as

put "300" into tArray[1]["width"]; set the pgColumns of widget 
"rwTableview" to tArray, it replaces all the other column information 
(names, etc.) with defaults (as I would expect)

Am I missing some syntax that will allow changing the name, label, 
width, alignment, or whatever property desired of a single column 
without touching any of the other column data already set?





From dsc at swcp.com  Wed Aug 23 20:00:23 2023
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2023 18:00:23 -0600
Subject: Behaviors
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycOv-mbthFW+B+Y5SaniFu5CM6cjmyPwQNJxGPFA_DHsPA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E8D646E0-E712-47F1-9976-C86F2C5C7AA5@swcp.com>
 <6a88a801-283f-4b5f-86b0-77e44f57d7da@tweedly.net>
 <77958622-E960-4C90-97CC-AE3FC21CF1D7@swcp.com>
 <CADCoycOv-mbthFW+B+Y5SaniFu5CM6cjmyPwQNJxGPFA_DHsPA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F4BCB523-D617-48CB-9E59-0EC6D2852B06@swcp.com>

I, too, have discovered the target icon to the right of the behavior object field in the property inspector. Alas, using that that I see only buttons on the current card (and stacks). I don’t see a way to navigate to a different card and select a button there. I might have missed it. — Dar

> On Aug 22, 2023, at 1:05 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> you probably know this: in the property inspector, there's a panel for
> behavior, so you can just select the behavior from a menu button,
> without having to type it
> 
> On Tue, Aug 22, 2023 at 1:37 PM Dar Scott via use-livecode
> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I figured out how to do it in the IDE. I needed to include “of stack” in the reference. — Dar
>> 
>>> On Aug 22, 2023, at 11:09 AM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Not sure how it works in the IDE - seems a problem because it only presents button in the current stack.
>>> 
>>> So I do it all in preOpen... scripts, doing something like
>>> 
>>>> set the behavior of fld "F" of grp tmpName to the long id of button "RichTextFieldBehaviour" of \
>>>>         card "Behaviours" of stack "/Users/alextweedly/Dropbox/My Livecode/Libraries/richText.livecode"
>>> 
>>> Alex.
>>> 
>>> On 22/08/2023 17:57, Dar Scott via use-livecode wrote:
>>>> I am misremembering things about Behaviors.
>>>> 
>>>> I have a card with my behavior buttons, but I can’t seem to point to buttons on that card. Maybe, I’m remembering what I did long ago with front scripts.
>>>> 
>>>> I suppose I can use substacks, but I’m worried that the stacks would be in the message path. Is there a way to keep the stack out of the message path?
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From iowahengst at mac.com  Thu Aug 24 09:28:49 2023
From: iowahengst at mac.com (Randy Hengst)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2023 08:28:49 -0500
Subject: OT - a new release of WinSignHelper for macOS
In-Reply-To: <189768fb5c8.276f.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <55243856-963F-4771-A49E-BA6BE3496E0E@m-r-d.de>
 <3f7dc1f4-fd3a-7e26-9c8d-ae6171c0380c@hyperactivesw.com>
 <94065A6E-BD87-4BA3-9AEA-FD98138A0A06@m-r-d.de>
 <18973e42d68.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <F3374936-761B-49FB-9F20-9EE226A1297F@m-r-d.de>
 <189768fb5c8.276f.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <5F4F3C53-8F3C-4386-85A4-B22AFFD13852@mac.com>

Hi All,

This all very interesting. I haven’t built for windows in about 10 years. So, I’ve never messed with signing certificates.

I’ve downloaded and played with Matthias’ CodeSigning Tool… seems very straight forward. But, I’m trying to build an app only for a friend to use for free and, so, I’m not too keen on buying a certificate for $100+ every year.

Is there a way for folks to open an app on windows that is not signed? …like you can do on a Mac after the scary alert…

take care,
randy

Randy Hengst
classroomfocusedsoftware.com



> On Jul 20, 2023, at 10:47 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Very useful info, thank you. Especially the part about using the token on different machines. I was duped into believing everything I read on the internet. :)
> 
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> On July 20, 2023 4:20:59 PM matthias rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>>> Am 20.07.2023 um 17:21 schrieb J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>> 
>>> Thanks Matthias. I've been reading about it and I think the cert is stored on the machine but it is tied to that computer and not exportable.
>> 
>> 
>>> If you get a new computer you need to buy a new certificate.
>> I don't think that is true. The new type of certificate has to be stored on a secure device. That's what the eToken is for. The private key is also stored on the eToken and the certificate and the private key cannot be exported. You should be able to use that token on multiple computers. You just have to install the eToken driver to an other computer and attach the eToken to it.
>> 
>> This is what Trustzone is saying about it:
>> "The token-based type of Standard Code Signing certificates can also be used on multiple computers. The same goes for token-based EV certificates. But no token-based certificate can ever be used simultaneously on two computers since the SafeNet token can only be plugged into one computer at a time."
>> 
>> As i never had such eToken, i do not know, if the certificate and the private key can be accessed as files through Finder. And what extension do they have. I've read the osslsigncode can use also certificates and key files with .cem extension.
>> So if the eToken contains such files, WinSignHelper could be slightly adjusted to work with the eToken. But that's just an assumption.
>> 
>> Matthias
>> 
>> 
>>> So I don't think I'll experiment, and we'll just do the whole thing on the Windows box.
>>> 
>>> The sad part is that if we'd renewed just a couple of weeks earlier we'd have been within the cutoff date and could have purchased the old type of certificate.
>>> 
>> Same here. I was about 5 days to late otherwise i could have ordered the olde type.
>> 
>> 
>>> If anyone else has used the new token hardware I'd be grateful for any tips or suggestions. This is all new to me.
>> 
>> I am using a cloud based OV certificate from Certum. I just need to install the Software SimplySign Desktop. The software "integrates" the certificate into Windows' certificate storage (or what ever this is called) after i logged in using that SimplySign Desktop software.
>> Microsoft's signtool can then directly access the certificate.
>> 
>> 
>>> --
>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>> On July 19, 2023 4:20:23 PM matthias rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> To be honest, i do not know.
>>>> I am currently using a cloud code signing certificate which i can only use on Windows.
>>>> I've chosen the cloud version because of the price, but later i noticed that it seems that those cloud certificates cannot be used on macOS.
>>>> Or maybe they can, but i do not know how, especially with ossl signcode
>>>> WinSignHelper uses ossl signcode and currently that tool needs a path to a certificate
>>>> 
>>>> Do you know where the certificate is stored with the eToken solution? Is it stored also on the eToken or anywhere else on the Mac?
>>>> If you have the certificate as a physical file it maybe could be possible to select that file in the WinSignHelper prefs.
>>>> 
>>>> But as  i alread wrote, i really don't know exactly.
>>>> 
>>>> I am currently thinking of purchasing a 2nd certificate as eToken solution, but there is not yet a decision made, if i should spent money for this, as i have a working cloud certificate which expires in 3 years.
>>>> 
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Matthias
>>>> 
>>>>> Am 19.07.2023 um 22:53 schrieb J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>>>> 
>>>>> @Matthias: does the upgraded WinSignHelper work with the new hardware eTokens? Those are required now.
>>>>> 
>>>>> If so, do the instructions change on how to use your tool?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 12/23/22 10:44 AM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode wrote:
>>>>>> i've upgraded my free tool WinSignHelper.
>>>>>> For those who do not know what WinSignHelper is...
>>>>>> It's a GUI for osslsigncode. Osslsigncode is command line tool that can do the Authenticode signing and timestamping. With it you can code sign Windows applications  using an appropriate code signing certificate.
>>>>>> You just drag a folder with your Windows application into WinSignHelper and it signs all components of your standalone (.exe and .dll).
>>>>>> WinSignHelper Help section gives enough information about how to install osslsigncode.
>>>>>> So if anyone is interested in testing....
>>>>>> The version is  notarized and is an universal build for X86 and Arm
>>>>>> Zip
>>>>>> https://dl.qck.nu/?dl=WinSignHelper_universal.zip
>>>>>> DMG
>>>>>> https://dl.qck.nu/?dl=WinSignHelper_universal.dmg
>>>>>> Hope this is of help for one or the other.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
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>>>>> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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From klaus at major-k.de  Thu Aug 24 09:42:59 2023
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2023 15:42:59 +0200
Subject: OT - a new release of WinSignHelper for macOS
In-Reply-To: <5F4F3C53-8F3C-4386-85A4-B22AFFD13852@mac.com>
References: <55243856-963F-4771-A49E-BA6BE3496E0E@m-r-d.de>
 <3f7dc1f4-fd3a-7e26-9c8d-ae6171c0380c@hyperactivesw.com>
 <94065A6E-BD87-4BA3-9AEA-FD98138A0A06@m-r-d.de>
 <18973e42d68.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <F3374936-761B-49FB-9F20-9EE226A1297F@m-r-d.de>
 <189768fb5c8.276f.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <5F4F3C53-8F3C-4386-85A4-B22AFFD13852@mac.com>
Message-ID: <FAA0EC66-A252-46C4-8EB3-E4A780E74F86@major-k.de>

Hi Randy,

> Am 24.08.2023 um 15:28 schrieb Randy Hengst via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> This all very interesting. I haven’t built for windows in about 10 years. So, I’ve never messed with signing certificates.
> I’ve downloaded and played with Matthias’ CodeSigning Tool… seems very straight forward. But, I’m trying to build an app only for a friend to use for free and, so, I’m not too keen on buying a certificate for $100+ every year.
> Is there a way for folks to open an app on windows that is not signed? …like you can do on a Mac after the scary alert…

I once set up a help page for exactly this issue:
<https://www.major-k.de/install.html>

Scroll down for the Windows stuff...
Hope that helps!

> take care,
> randy

Best

Klaus

--
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https://www.major-k.de
https://www.major-k.de/bass
klaus at major-k.de



From iowahengst at mac.com  Thu Aug 24 09:49:04 2023
From: iowahengst at mac.com (Randy Hengst)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2023 08:49:04 -0500
Subject: OT - a new release of WinSignHelper for macOS
In-Reply-To: <FAA0EC66-A252-46C4-8EB3-E4A780E74F86@major-k.de>
References: <55243856-963F-4771-A49E-BA6BE3496E0E@m-r-d.de>
 <3f7dc1f4-fd3a-7e26-9c8d-ae6171c0380c@hyperactivesw.com>
 <94065A6E-BD87-4BA3-9AEA-FD98138A0A06@m-r-d.de>
 <18973e42d68.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <F3374936-761B-49FB-9F20-9EE226A1297F@m-r-d.de>
 <189768fb5c8.276f.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <5F4F3C53-8F3C-4386-85A4-B22AFFD13852@mac.com>
 <FAA0EC66-A252-46C4-8EB3-E4A780E74F86@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <2439D939-F60B-4AE2-A4EE-76B1D05B2202@mac.com>

Excellent! Thank you, Klaus.

Does the current version of windows look the same as your screen shots?

take care,
randy

Randy Hengst
classroomFocusedSoftware.com



> On Aug 24, 2023, at 8:42 AM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Randy,
> 
>> Am 24.08.2023 um 15:28 schrieb Randy Hengst via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> This all very interesting. I haven’t built for windows in about 10 years. So, I’ve never messed with signing certificates.
>> I’ve downloaded and played with Matthias’ CodeSigning Tool… seems very straight forward. But, I’m trying to build an app only for a friend to use for free and, so, I’m not too keen on buying a certificate for $100+ every year.
>> Is there a way for folks to open an app on windows that is not signed? …like you can do on a Mac after the scary alert…
> 
> I once set up a help page for exactly this issue:
> <https://www.major-k.de/install.html>
> 
> Scroll down for the Windows stuff...
> Hope that helps!
> 
>> take care,
>> randy
> 
> Best
> 
> Klaus
> 
> --
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> https://www.major-k.de
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From klaus at major-k.de  Thu Aug 24 09:52:05 2023
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2023 15:52:05 +0200
Subject: OT - a new release of WinSignHelper for macOS
In-Reply-To: <2439D939-F60B-4AE2-A4EE-76B1D05B2202@mac.com>
References: <55243856-963F-4771-A49E-BA6BE3496E0E@m-r-d.de>
 <3f7dc1f4-fd3a-7e26-9c8d-ae6171c0380c@hyperactivesw.com>
 <94065A6E-BD87-4BA3-9AEA-FD98138A0A06@m-r-d.de>
 <18973e42d68.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <F3374936-761B-49FB-9F20-9EE226A1297F@m-r-d.de>
 <189768fb5c8.276f.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <5F4F3C53-8F3C-4386-85A4-B22AFFD13852@mac.com>
 <FAA0EC66-A252-46C4-8EB3-E4A780E74F86@major-k.de>
 <2439D939-F60B-4AE2-A4EE-76B1D05B2202@mac.com>
Message-ID: <F400F69C-41EE-4419-87B8-618556777C74@major-k.de>

Hi Randy,

> Am 24.08.2023 um 15:49 schrieb Randy Hengst via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Excellent! Thank you, Klaus.

my pleasure!

> Does the current version of windows look the same as your screen shots?

Sorry, no idea, my last Win version is 10, as shown in the pics.

> take care,
> randy
> 
> Randy Hengst
> classroomFocusedSoftware.com
>> 
>>> Hi All,
>>> This all very interesting. I haven’t built for windows in about 10 years. So, I’ve never messed with signing certificates.
>>> I’ve downloaded and played with Matthias’ CodeSigning Tool… seems very straight forward. But, I’m trying to build an app only for a friend to use for free and, so, I’m not too keen on buying a certificate for $100+ every year.
>>> Is there a way for folks to open an app on windows that is not signed? …like you can do on a Mac after the scary alert…
>> I once set up a help page for exactly this issue:
>> <https://www.major-k.de/install.html>
>> Scroll down for the Windows stuff...
>> Hope that helps!

Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
https://www.major-k.de
https://www.major-k.de/bass
klaus at major-k.de



From derek-lc-list at speedbump.io  Thu Aug 24 10:26:50 2023
From: derek-lc-list at speedbump.io (Derek Bump)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2023 14:26:50 +0000
Subject: Linux and the search for a controllable Web Browser
Message-ID: <LwqgtJeroXEIj01qPZNSkHNFkANsViM18L4mKh9-3JRdVdig6gPIdcBSVw8SWM8GulgfACvqbIrmxbyezlUC3TWMwyC5SIH4AwAOxuzTggg=@speedbump.io>

Good Day,

I've been wrestling with the Browser widget on Linux long enough now that I've largely given up on using it for anything destined for a production environment. However, that has not reduced my need for a browser which I can control in my specific use-case: open a streaming video url, make it full screen, autoplay, wait for navigational input from the user (arrow keys, DEL key, etc), and close when requested.

I did attempt to build a controllable browser using Neutralinojs, which showed potential. With it's configuration options, having a borderless, floating browser window appear at exact coordinates is very do-able. Unfortunately for me, the cross-origin nature of using an iframe is preventing JavaScript from forcing playback without a physical "click" from the user. Setting the URL of the Neutralinojs "browser" directly (not using iframe) resolves the cross-origin restriction, but it still required click for playback. Plus, setting the URL directly wipes out any JavaScript written, so inter-process communications disappears immediately. So that solution isn't viable.

I'm thinking of attempting the same concept using Electron, but I'm betting 100% the experience will be the same. Many in the past have abused the Autoplay feature, so its largely locked down in commercial browsers at this point. I'm pretty sure I'd have to compile a custom browser from source, which I have never done before. Nor am I interested in going down that rabbit hole (yet).

So I wanted to reach out to see if anyone has stumbled upon a solution for showing web pages on Linux in such a way that you can still maintain control over the browser through LiveCode?

With regards to my use-case, I've (temporarily) opted to launch Firefox using "open process" (non blocking) in Kiosk mode. This is nearly producing what I need, except regaining control involves terminating Firefox when my user presses a "Universal Home" button on their remote control. Not ideal, but it works.

What's frustrating is that there's a Browser Widget sitting in my toolbar which seems to work well on Windows and Mac. However, even if the widget was compatible (or I found a modern distro where it works), it still wouldn't solve my problem: LC's browser implementation has some of it's multimedia framework support turned off, so HLS is out the window. This would need to be added in by LiveCode Ltd., most likely.

Am I stuck?

I appreciate the help and look forward to feedback.

Thank you,
Derek Bump


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Aug 24 11:20:55 2023
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2023 15:20:55 +0000
Subject: OT - a new release of WinSignHelper for macOS
In-Reply-To: <5F4F3C53-8F3C-4386-85A4-B22AFFD13852@mac.com>
References: <55243856-963F-4771-A49E-BA6BE3496E0E@m-r-d.de>
 <3f7dc1f4-fd3a-7e26-9c8d-ae6171c0380c@hyperactivesw.com>
 <94065A6E-BD87-4BA3-9AEA-FD98138A0A06@m-r-d.de>
 <18973e42d68.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <F3374936-761B-49FB-9F20-9EE226A1297F@m-r-d.de>
 <189768fb5c8.276f.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <5F4F3C53-8F3C-4386-85A4-B22AFFD13852@mac.com>
Message-ID: <02940F0A-2EC5-45C3-92FF-55EB471E3AE6@iotecdigital.com>

I build for Windows and do not need a certificate. I’ve run my app on Windows 10 and server 2019 without an issue.

Bob S


On Aug 24, 2023, at 6:28 AM, Randy Hengst via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

Hi All,

This all very interesting. I haven’t built for windows in about 10 years. So, I’ve never messed with signing certificates.

I’ve downloaded and played with Matthias’ CodeSigning Tool… seems very straight forward. But, I’m trying to build an app only for a friend to use for free and, so, I’m not too keen on buying a certificate for $100+ every year.

Is there a way for folks to open an app on windows that is not signed? …like you can do on a Mac after the scary alert…

take care,
randy

Randy Hengst
classroomfocusedsoftware.com<http://classroomfocusedsoftware.com/>


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Aug 24 11:24:58 2023
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2023 15:24:58 +0000
Subject: OT - a new release of WinSignHelper for macOS
In-Reply-To: <02940F0A-2EC5-45C3-92FF-55EB471E3AE6@iotecdigital.com>
References: <55243856-963F-4771-A49E-BA6BE3496E0E@m-r-d.de>
 <3f7dc1f4-fd3a-7e26-9c8d-ae6171c0380c@hyperactivesw.com>
 <94065A6E-BD87-4BA3-9AEA-FD98138A0A06@m-r-d.de>
 <18973e42d68.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <F3374936-761B-49FB-9F20-9EE226A1297F@m-r-d.de>
 <189768fb5c8.276f.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <5F4F3C53-8F3C-4386-85A4-B22AFFD13852@mac.com>
 <02940F0A-2EC5-45C3-92FF-55EB471E3AE6@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <07F4836E-C325-4310-B319-9A1721840C06@iotecdigital.com>

Oh right, I think I DID have to confirm that I want to run the app on both Windows and Mac. I suppose that would be an issue if I was distributing commercially.

Bob S


On Aug 24, 2023, at 8:20 AM, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com> wrote:

I build for Windows and do not need a certificate. I’ve run my app on Windows 10 and server 2019 without an issue.

Bob S


On Aug 24, 2023, at 6:28 AM, Randy Hengst via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

Hi All,

This all very interesting. I haven’t built for windows in about 10 years. So, I’ve never messed with signing certificates.

I’ve downloaded and played with Matthias’ CodeSigning Tool… seems very straight forward. But, I’m trying to build an app only for a friend to use for free and, so, I’m not too keen on buying a certificate for $100+ every year.

Is there a way for folks to open an app on windows that is not signed? …like you can do on a Mac after the scary alert…

take care,
randy

Randy Hengst
classroomfocusedsoftware.com<http://classroomfocusedsoftware.com/>



From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Aug 24 11:34:02 2023
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2023 15:34:02 +0000
Subject: Behaviors
In-Reply-To: <F4BCB523-D617-48CB-9E59-0EC6D2852B06@swcp.com>
References: <E8D646E0-E712-47F1-9976-C86F2C5C7AA5@swcp.com>
 <6a88a801-283f-4b5f-86b0-77e44f57d7da@tweedly.net>
 <77958622-E960-4C90-97CC-AE3FC21CF1D7@swcp.com>
 <CADCoycOv-mbthFW+B+Y5SaniFu5CM6cjmyPwQNJxGPFA_DHsPA@mail.gmail.com>
 <F4BCB523-D617-48CB-9E59-0EC6D2852B06@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <2AA4D973-C0B6-4E7E-B169-DC724C89C35E@iotecdigital.com>

There is also the Advanced button in the property inspector (looks like one large gear with two smaller ones) where you can type the behavior, and also has the target icon. Also, you shouldn’t have to do that every time. Once should be enough if you save the stack afterwards. 

I note that Datagrids have no way to set the behavior, since they depend on their default behavior. It was discussed long ago when nested behaviors became a thing, that there ought to be a way to edit a list of behaviors of an object. In fact it shouldn’t be that difficult to make a Behavior Browser widget of some sort. Hmmm...

Bob S


> On Aug 23, 2023, at 5:00 PM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I, too, have discovered the target icon to the right of the behavior object field in the property inspector. Alas, using that that I see only buttons on the current card (and stacks). I don’t see a way to navigate to a different card and select a button there. I might have missed it. — Dar
> 
>> On Aug 22, 2023, at 1:05 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> you probably know this: in the property inspector, there's a panel for
>> behavior, so you can just select the behavior from a menu button,
>> without having to type it
>> 
>> On Tue, Aug 22, 2023 at 1:37 PM Dar Scott via use-livecode
>> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I figured out how to do it in the IDE. I needed to include “of stack” in the reference. — Dar
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 22, 2023, at 11:09 AM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Not sure how it works in the IDE - seems a problem because it only presents button in the current stack.
>>>> 
>>>> So I do it all in preOpen... scripts, doing something like
>>>> 
>>>>> set the behavior of fld "F" of grp tmpName to the long id of button "RichTextFieldBehaviour" of \
>>>>>        card "Behaviours" of stack "/Users/alextweedly/Dropbox/My Livecode/Libraries/richText.livecode"
>>>> 
>>>> Alex.
>>>> 
>>>> On 22/08/2023 17:57, Dar Scott via use-livecode wrote:
>>>>> I am misremembering things about Behaviors.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have a card with my behavior buttons, but I can’t seem to point to buttons on that card. Maybe, I’m remembering what I did long ago with front scripts.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I suppose I can use substacks, but I’m worried that the stacks would be in the message path. Is there a way to keep the stack out of the message path?
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From prothero at earthlearningsolutions.org  Thu Aug 24 11:41:07 2023
From: prothero at earthlearningsolutions.org (William Prothero)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2023 08:41:07 -0700
Subject: OT - a new release of WinSignHelper for macOS
In-Reply-To: <5F4F3C53-8F3C-4386-85A4-B22AFFD13852@mac.com>
References: <5F4F3C53-8F3C-4386-85A4-B22AFFD13852@mac.com>
Message-ID: <E0422602-1597-4761-A492-03D4419D71A0@earthlearningsolutions.org>

I have an ios app that I built for myself only. I was able to load the app on my iphone for debugging. It works fine, for me, in normal use. You may be able to do the same with your friend's device. It saves a lot of the trouble with certificates, etc. you might search the forum on "sideloading".

Good luck.
Bill

William A. Prothero, PhD
Prof Emeritus, Dept of Earth Science
University of California, Santa Barbara

> On Aug 24, 2023, at 6:30 AM, Randy Hengst via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> This all very interesting. I haven’t built for windows in about 10 years. So, I’ve never messed with signing certificates.
> 
> I’ve downloaded and played with Matthias’ CodeSigning Tool… seems very straight forward. But, I’m trying to build an app only for a friend to use for free and, so, I’m not too keen on buying a certificate for $100+ every year.
> 
> Is there a way for folks to open an app on windows that is not signed? …like you can do on a Mac after the scary alert…
> 
> take care,
> randy
> 
> Randy Hengst
> classroomfocusedsoftware.com
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jul 20, 2023, at 10:47 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Very useful info, thank you. Especially the part about using the token on different machines. I was duped into believing everything I read on the internet. :)
>> 
>> --
>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>> On July 20, 2023 4:20:59 PM matthias rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>>>>> Am 20.07.2023 um 17:21 schrieb J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks Matthias. I've been reading about it and I think the cert is stored on the machine but it is tied to that computer and not exportable.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> If you get a new computer you need to buy a new certificate.
>>> I don't think that is true. The new type of certificate has to be stored on a secure device. That's what the eToken is for. The private key is also stored on the eToken and the certificate and the private key cannot be exported. You should be able to use that token on multiple computers. You just have to install the eToken driver to an other computer and attach the eToken to it.
>>> 
>>> This is what Trustzone is saying about it:
>>> "The token-based type of Standard Code Signing certificates can also be used on multiple computers. The same goes for token-based EV certificates. But no token-based certificate can ever be used simultaneously on two computers since the SafeNet token can only be plugged into one computer at a time."
>>> 
>>> As i never had such eToken, i do not know, if the certificate and the private key can be accessed as files through Finder. And what extension do they have. I've read the osslsigncode can use also certificates and key files with .cem extension.
>>> So if the eToken contains such files, WinSignHelper could be slightly adjusted to work with the eToken. But that's just an assumption.
>>> 
>>> Matthias
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> So I don't think I'll experiment, and we'll just do the whole thing on the Windows box.
>>>> 
>>>> The sad part is that if we'd renewed just a couple of weeks earlier we'd have been within the cutoff date and could have purchased the old type of certificate.
>>>> 
>>> Same here. I was about 5 days to late otherwise i could have ordered the olde type.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> If anyone else has used the new token hardware I'd be grateful for any tips or suggestions. This is all new to me.
>>> 
>>> I am using a cloud based OV certificate from Certum. I just need to install the Software SimplySign Desktop. The software "integrates" the certificate into Windows' certificate storage (or what ever this is called) after i logged in using that SimplySign Desktop software.
>>> Microsoft's signtool can then directly access the certificate.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>>> On July 19, 2023 4:20:23 PM matthias rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> To be honest, i do not know.
>>>>> I am currently using a cloud code signing certificate which i can only use on Windows.
>>>>> I've chosen the cloud version because of the price, but later i noticed that it seems that those cloud certificates cannot be used on macOS.
>>>>> Or maybe they can, but i do not know how, especially with ossl signcode
>>>>> WinSignHelper uses ossl signcode and currently that tool needs a path to a certificate
>>>>> 
>>>>> Do you know where the certificate is stored with the eToken solution? Is it stored also on the eToken or anywhere else on the Mac?
>>>>> If you have the certificate as a physical file it maybe could be possible to select that file in the WinSignHelper prefs.
>>>>> 
>>>>> But as  i alread wrote, i really don't know exactly.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am currently thinking of purchasing a 2nd certificate as eToken solution, but there is not yet a decision made, if i should spent money for this, as i have a working cloud certificate which expires in 3 years.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Matthias
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Am 19.07.2023 um 22:53 schrieb J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> @Matthias: does the upgraded WinSignHelper work with the new hardware eTokens? Those are required now.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> If so, do the instructions change on how to use your tool?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 12/23/22 10:44 AM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode wrote:
>>>>>>> i've upgraded my free tool WinSignHelper.
>>>>>>> For those who do not know what WinSignHelper is...
>>>>>>> It's a GUI for osslsigncode. Osslsigncode is command line tool that can do the Authenticode signing and timestamping. With it you can code sign Windows applications  using an appropriate code signing certificate.
>>>>>>> You just drag a folder with your Windows application into WinSignHelper and it signs all components of your standalone (.exe and .dll).
>>>>>>> WinSignHelper Help section gives enough information about how to install osslsigncode.
>>>>>>> So if anyone is interested in testing....
>>>>>>> The version is  notarized and is an universal build for X86 and Arm
>>>>>>> Zip
>>>>>>> https://dl.qck.nu/?dl=WinSignHelper_universal.zip
>>>>>>> DMG
>>>>>>> https://dl.qck.nu/?dl=WinSignHelper_universal.dmg
>>>>>>> Hope this is of help for one or the other.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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From iowahengst at mac.com  Thu Aug 24 12:12:59 2023
From: iowahengst at mac.com (Randy Hengst)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2023 11:12:59 -0500
Subject: OT - a new release of WinSignHelper for macOS
In-Reply-To: <E0422602-1597-4761-A492-03D4419D71A0@earthlearningsolutions.org>
References: <5F4F3C53-8F3C-4386-85A4-B22AFFD13852@mac.com>
 <E0422602-1597-4761-A492-03D4419D71A0@earthlearningsolutions.org>
Message-ID: <37049104-641F-4777-9D50-086CD885EA3F@mac.com>

I built for windows using 9.6.9… just heard from my friend that he could open the app.

Thanks all for the ideas and information.

take care,
randy

Randy Hengst
classroomfocusedsoftware.com



> On Aug 24, 2023, at 10:41 AM, William Prothero via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I have an ios app that I built for myself only. I was able to load the app on my iphone for debugging. It works fine, for me, in normal use. You may be able to do the same with your friend's device. It saves a lot of the trouble with certificates, etc. you might search the forum on "sideloading".
> 
> Good luck.
> Bill
> 
> William A. Prothero, PhD
> Prof Emeritus, Dept of Earth Science
> University of California, Santa Barbara
> 
>> On Aug 24, 2023, at 6:30 AM, Randy Hengst via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> This all very interesting. I haven’t built for windows in about 10 years. So, I’ve never messed with signing certificates.
>> 
>> I’ve downloaded and played with Matthias’ CodeSigning Tool… seems very straight forward. But, I’m trying to build an app only for a friend to use for free and, so, I’m not too keen on buying a certificate for $100+ every year.
>> 
>> Is there a way for folks to open an app on windows that is not signed? …like you can do on a Mac after the scary alert…
>> 
>> take care,
>> randy
>> 
>> Randy Hengst
>> classroomfocusedsoftware.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 20, 2023, at 10:47 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Very useful info, thank you. Especially the part about using the token on different machines. I was duped into believing everything I read on the internet. :)
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>> On July 20, 2023 4:20:59 PM matthias rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>>>> Am 20.07.2023 um 17:21 schrieb J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks Matthias. I've been reading about it and I think the cert is stored on the machine but it is tied to that computer and not exportable.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> If you get a new computer you need to buy a new certificate.
>>>> I don't think that is true. The new type of certificate has to be stored on a secure device. That's what the eToken is for. The private key is also stored on the eToken and the certificate and the private key cannot be exported. You should be able to use that token on multiple computers. You just have to install the eToken driver to an other computer and attach the eToken to it.
>>>> 
>>>> This is what Trustzone is saying about it:
>>>> "The token-based type of Standard Code Signing certificates can also be used on multiple computers. The same goes for token-based EV certificates. But no token-based certificate can ever be used simultaneously on two computers since the SafeNet token can only be plugged into one computer at a time."
>>>> 
>>>> As i never had such eToken, i do not know, if the certificate and the private key can be accessed as files through Finder. And what extension do they have. I've read the osslsigncode can use also certificates and key files with .cem extension.
>>>> So if the eToken contains such files, WinSignHelper could be slightly adjusted to work with the eToken. But that's just an assumption.
>>>> 
>>>> Matthias
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> So I don't think I'll experiment, and we'll just do the whole thing on the Windows box.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The sad part is that if we'd renewed just a couple of weeks earlier we'd have been within the cutoff date and could have purchased the old type of certificate.
>>>>> 
>>>> Same here. I was about 5 days to late otherwise i could have ordered the olde type.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> If anyone else has used the new token hardware I'd be grateful for any tips or suggestions. This is all new to me.
>>>> 
>>>> I am using a cloud based OV certificate from Certum. I just need to install the Software SimplySign Desktop. The software "integrates" the certificate into Windows' certificate storage (or what ever this is called) after i logged in using that SimplySign Desktop software.
>>>> Microsoft's signtool can then directly access the certificate.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>>>> On July 19, 2023 4:20:23 PM matthias rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> To be honest, i do not know.
>>>>>> I am currently using a cloud code signing certificate which i can only use on Windows.
>>>>>> I've chosen the cloud version because of the price, but later i noticed that it seems that those cloud certificates cannot be used on macOS.
>>>>>> Or maybe they can, but i do not know how, especially with ossl signcode
>>>>>> WinSignHelper uses ossl signcode and currently that tool needs a path to a certificate
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Do you know where the certificate is stored with the eToken solution? Is it stored also on the eToken or anywhere else on the Mac?
>>>>>> If you have the certificate as a physical file it maybe could be possible to select that file in the WinSignHelper prefs.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> But as  i alread wrote, i really don't know exactly.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I am currently thinking of purchasing a 2nd certificate as eToken solution, but there is not yet a decision made, if i should spent money for this, as i have a working cloud certificate which expires in 3 years.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Matthias
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Am 19.07.2023 um 22:53 schrieb J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> @Matthias: does the upgraded WinSignHelper work with the new hardware eTokens? Those are required now.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> If so, do the instructions change on how to use your tool?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 12/23/22 10:44 AM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode wrote:
>>>>>>>> i've upgraded my free tool WinSignHelper.
>>>>>>>> For those who do not know what WinSignHelper is...
>>>>>>>> It's a GUI for osslsigncode. Osslsigncode is command line tool that can do the Authenticode signing and timestamping. With it you can code sign Windows applications  using an appropriate code signing certificate.
>>>>>>>> You just drag a folder with your Windows application into WinSignHelper and it signs all components of your standalone (.exe and .dll).
>>>>>>>> WinSignHelper Help section gives enough information about how to install osslsigncode.
>>>>>>>> So if anyone is interested in testing....
>>>>>>>> The version is  notarized and is an universal build for X86 and Arm
>>>>>>>> Zip
>>>>>>>> https://dl.qck.nu/?dl=WinSignHelper_universal.zip
>>>>>>>> DMG
>>>>>>>> https://dl.qck.nu/?dl=WinSignHelper_universal.dmg
>>>>>>>> Hope this is of help for one or the other.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>>> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
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From bleiler at buffalo.edu  Thu Aug 24 13:02:32 2023
From: bleiler at buffalo.edu (Timothy Bleiler)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2023 17:02:32 +0000
Subject: OT - Mac Notarization Problem - Desperation setting in
Message-ID: <65E7119E-1DA1-43DC-B667-F90F7F249CFD@buffalo.edu>

Hi all,

I believe the problem I’m having is either on Apple’s end or something with my local configuration but Apple has not been very helpful and I’m running out of ideas, so I’m turning to the wealth of experience on this list in desperation.

I’ve been using the lessons from  Matthias Rebbe and V4 of his handy mrSignNotarizeHelper stack.
Code signing seems to work fine but when I get to the Notarization step I always get an
"Error: HTTP status code: 401. Invalid credentials. Username or password is incorrect.

I’m on an M1 Mac with OS 13.4.1, Xcode 14.3.1 is installed, Livecode 9.6.9.

So far, this is what I’ve tried with the same result

1) Verified developer account in good status with Apple
2) Multiple checks of my credentials (Apple ID, team ID, app-specific password) on Apple's developer and ID sites,
3) Multiple checks of my credentials in the parameters I’m using
4) Setting up a new app specific password on my account
5) Trying with a different Livecode application
6 Trying everything manually in Terminal. (What is apparent is any subcommands of NotaryTool (e.g. submit, store-credentials) using my credentials fail with the same error.

7) Repeat everything on a brand new user account on my Mac
8) Sought help through devprograms at apple.com<mailto:devprograms at apple.com>


I’ve done codesigning and notarization many times before with the same developer account with no issues.
What’s new here for me is using NotaryTool and the app-specific password.

I realize this is a long shot but I’m stuck, so it would be great if anyone has any suggestions for solving this problem (even some detail I may have missed in the steps I’ve already taken)

Thanks,

Tim Bleiler, Ph.D.
Instructional Designer, HSIT
University at Buffalo


From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Thu Aug 24 13:15:57 2023
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2023 13:15:57 -0400
Subject: Behaviors
In-Reply-To: <2AA4D973-C0B6-4E7E-B169-DC724C89C35E@iotecdigital.com>
References: <E8D646E0-E712-47F1-9976-C86F2C5C7AA5@swcp.com>
 <6a88a801-283f-4b5f-86b0-77e44f57d7da@tweedly.net>
 <77958622-E960-4C90-97CC-AE3FC21CF1D7@swcp.com>
 <CADCoycOv-mbthFW+B+Y5SaniFu5CM6cjmyPwQNJxGPFA_DHsPA@mail.gmail.com>
 <F4BCB523-D617-48CB-9E59-0EC6D2852B06@swcp.com>
 <2AA4D973-C0B6-4E7E-B169-DC724C89C35E@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycNXS+2P5cbdwc5-ZX6o9Q_Z8qYVZEaKjtqcZ3W8zn6EJg@mail.gmail.com>

i'm pretty sure you can set a dg's behavior. then you would set the
behavior of that behavior to the button behavior (button id 1005 of
stack "revDataGridLibrary"), OR you can include THAT script,
separately, set that as the behavior, and modify it
(but, what you should really do is remove your dg's and replace them
with pg's, imho. they're much faster and more flexible and powerful).
the project browser has a button for each behavior in the chain of an
object. i'm pretty sure that levure baker's assistant does, too.

On Thu, Aug 24, 2023 at 11:35 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> There is also the Advanced button in the property inspector (looks like one large gear with two smaller ones) where you can type the behavior, and also has the target icon. Also, you shouldn’t have to do that every time. Once should be enough if you save the stack afterwards.
>
> I note that Datagrids have no way to set the behavior, since they depend on their default behavior. It was discussed long ago when nested behaviors became a thing, that there ought to be a way to edit a list of behaviors of an object. In fact it shouldn’t be that difficult to make a Behavior Browser widget of some sort. Hmmm...
>
> Bob S
>
>
> > On Aug 23, 2023, at 5:00 PM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > I, too, have discovered the target icon to the right of the behavior object field in the property inspector. Alas, using that that I see only buttons on the current card (and stacks). I don’t see a way to navigate to a different card and select a button there. I might have missed it. — Dar
> >
> >> On Aug 22, 2023, at 1:05 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> you probably know this: in the property inspector, there's a panel for
> >> behavior, so you can just select the behavior from a menu button,
> >> without having to type it
> >>
> >> On Tue, Aug 22, 2023 at 1:37 PM Dar Scott via use-livecode
> >> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I figured out how to do it in the IDE. I needed to include “of stack” in the reference. — Dar
> >>>
> >>>> On Aug 22, 2023, at 11:09 AM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Not sure how it works in the IDE - seems a problem because it only presents button in the current stack.
> >>>>
> >>>> So I do it all in preOpen... scripts, doing something like
> >>>>
> >>>>> set the behavior of fld "F" of grp tmpName to the long id of button "RichTextFieldBehaviour" of \
> >>>>>        card "Behaviours" of stack "/Users/alextweedly/Dropbox/My Livecode/Libraries/richText.livecode"
> >>>>
> >>>> Alex.
> >>>>
> >>>> On 22/08/2023 17:57, Dar Scott via use-livecode wrote:
> >>>>> I am misremembering things about Behaviors.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I have a card with my behavior buttons, but I can’t seem to point to buttons on that card. Maybe, I’m remembering what I did long ago with front scripts.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I suppose I can use substacks, but I’m worried that the stacks would be in the message path. Is there a way to keep the stack out of the message path?
> >>>>> _______________________________________________
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> >>
> >>
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> >> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> >> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
> >>  and did a little diving.
> >> And God said, "This is good."
> >>
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-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Aug 24 14:11:44 2023
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2023 18:11:44 +0000
Subject: Behaviors
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycNXS+2P5cbdwc5-ZX6o9Q_Z8qYVZEaKjtqcZ3W8zn6EJg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E8D646E0-E712-47F1-9976-C86F2C5C7AA5@swcp.com>
 <6a88a801-283f-4b5f-86b0-77e44f57d7da@tweedly.net>
 <77958622-E960-4C90-97CC-AE3FC21CF1D7@swcp.com>
 <CADCoycOv-mbthFW+B+Y5SaniFu5CM6cjmyPwQNJxGPFA_DHsPA@mail.gmail.com>
 <F4BCB523-D617-48CB-9E59-0EC6D2852B06@swcp.com>
 <2AA4D973-C0B6-4E7E-B169-DC724C89C35E@iotecdigital.com>
 <CADCoycNXS+2P5cbdwc5-ZX6o9Q_Z8qYVZEaKjtqcZ3W8zn6EJg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EB25B2E1-646F-41C6-B8FC-323769F6B403@iotecdigital.com>

Ah thanks for that. Yes, I knew how to nest behaviors for datagrids, but I never use the Project Browser because of issues I had many years ago. I may have another look. 

What is a “pg”? I make extensive use of Datagrid properties, and whatever I might replace them with needs to provide ALL their functionality. 

Bob S


> On Aug 24, 2023, at 10:15 AM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> i'm pretty sure you can set a dg's behavior. then you would set the
> behavior of that behavior to the button behavior (button id 1005 of
> stack "revDataGridLibrary"), OR you can include THAT script,
> separately, set that as the behavior, and modify it
> (but, what you should really do is remove your dg's and replace them
> with pg's, imho. they're much faster and more flexible and powerful).
> the project browser has a button for each behavior in the chain of an
> object. i'm pretty sure that levure baker's assistant does, too.
> 
> On Thu, Aug 24, 2023 at 11:35 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> There is also the Advanced button in the property inspector (looks like one large gear with two smaller ones) where you can type the behavior, and also has the target icon. Also, you shouldn’t have to do that every time. Once should be enough if you save the stack afterwards.
>> 
>> I note that Datagrids have no way to set the behavior, since they depend on their default behavior. It was discussed long ago when nested behaviors became a thing, that there ought to be a way to edit a list of behaviors of an object. In fact it shouldn’t be that difficult to make a Behavior Browser widget of some sort. Hmmm...
>> 
>> Bob S
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 23, 2023, at 5:00 PM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I, too, have discovered the target icon to the right of the behavior object field in the property inspector. Alas, using that that I see only buttons on the current card (and stacks). I don’t see a way to navigate to a different card and select a button there. I might have missed it. — Dar
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 22, 2023, at 1:05 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> you probably know this: in the property inspector, there's a panel for
>>>> behavior, so you can just select the behavior from a menu button,
>>>> without having to type it
>>>> 
>>>> On Tue, Aug 22, 2023 at 1:37 PM Dar Scott via use-livecode
>>>> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I figured out how to do it in the IDE. I needed to include “of stack” in the reference. — Dar
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Aug 22, 2023, at 11:09 AM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Not sure how it works in the IDE - seems a problem because it only presents button in the current stack.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> So I do it all in preOpen... scripts, doing something like
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> set the behavior of fld "F" of grp tmpName to the long id of button "RichTextFieldBehaviour" of \
>>>>>>>       card "Behaviours" of stack "/Users/alextweedly/Dropbox/My Livecode/Libraries/richText.livecode"
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Alex.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 22/08/2023 17:57, Dar Scott via use-livecode wrote:
>>>>>>> I am misremembering things about Behaviors.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I have a card with my behavior buttons, but I can’t seem to point to buttons on that card. Maybe, I’m remembering what I did long ago with front scripts.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I suppose I can use substacks, but I’m worried that the stacks would be in the message path. Is there a way to keep the stack out of the message path?
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>>>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
>>>> On the second day, God created the oceans.
>>>> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>>>> and did a little diving.
>>>> And God said, "This is good."
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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>>> 
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>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>   and did a little diving.
> And God said, "This is good."
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode


From paul at researchware.com  Thu Aug 24 14:26:28 2023
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2023 14:26:28 -0400
Subject: Polygrid columns not fully clearing when pgColumns is set
Message-ID: <cf0a3941-ae5a-e0d7-374d-4350f2f67e5c@researchware.com>

Hi to any polygrid developers out there,

Please see bug https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=24315

I have run into an issue with the latest polygrid (as of this post) 
where if you set pgColumns to a new array that reduces the number of 
columns in the grid, some old columns are not cleared, but instead are 
set to defaults (ie. the names revert to col5, col6, etc. instead of 
being completely removed

Any thoughts to a work-around?


From paul at researchware.com  Thu Aug 24 14:30:31 2023
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2023 14:30:31 -0400
Subject: Polygrid columns not fully clearing when pgColumns is set
In-Reply-To: <cf0a3941-ae5a-e0d7-374d-4350f2f67e5c@researchware.com>
References: <cf0a3941-ae5a-e0d7-374d-4350f2f67e5c@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <d7b786f2-06c1-5a3a-f787-64a5f4a2be91@researchware.com>

Aha, I was setting pgColumns to the fewer columns and THEN pgData to the 
smaller data set to match the columns

You need to clear the pgData (set to empty) first, then set the columns, 
then set the new pgData.

Perhaps this is a documentation bug?

On 8/24/2023 2:26 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
> Hi to any polygrid developers out there,
>
> Please see bug https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=24315
>
> I have run into an issue with the latest polygrid (as of this post) 
> where if you set pgColumns to a new array that reduces the number of 
> columns in the grid, some old columns are not cleared, but instead are 
> set to defaults (ie. the names revert to col5, col6, etc. instead of 
> being completely removed
>
> Any thoughts to a work-around?
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode



From klaus at major-k.de  Thu Aug 24 14:34:02 2023
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2023 20:34:02 +0200
Subject: Polygrid columns not fully clearing when pgColumns is set
In-Reply-To: <d7b786f2-06c1-5a3a-f787-64a5f4a2be91@researchware.com>
References: <cf0a3941-ae5a-e0d7-374d-4350f2f67e5c@researchware.com>
 <d7b786f2-06c1-5a3a-f787-64a5f4a2be91@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <8C4479DE-8456-456E-82A8-84AE2FDAC828@major-k.de>

Hi Paul,

> Am 24.08.2023 um 20:30 schrieb Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Aha, I was setting pgColumns to the fewer columns and THEN pgData to the smaller data set to match the columns
> You need to clear the pgData (set to empty) first, then set the columns, then set the new pgData.
> Perhaps this is a documentation bug?

I had success by setting the dgColumns to EMPTY first and later to the new "fewer" columns:
## Button "Fewer Columns"
on mouseUp pMouseButton
  local tColA, tDataA
  local tSum
  lock screen

  ## !!
  set the pgColumns of widget "myTable" to EMPTY
 ## !!

  put "rowname" into tColA[1]["name"]
...

> On 8/24/2023 2:26 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
>> Hi to any polygrid developers out there,
>> 
>> Please see bug https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=24315
>> 
>> I have run into an issue with the latest polygrid (as of this post) where if you set pgColumns to a new array that reduces the number of columns in the grid, some old columns are not cleared, but instead are set to defaults (ie. the names revert to col5, col6, etc. instead of being completely removed
>> 
>> Any thoughts to a work-around?

Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
https://www.major-k.de
https://www.major-k.de/bass
klaus at major-k.de



From paul at researchware.com  Thu Aug 24 16:26:04 2023
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2023 16:26:04 -0400
Subject: Polygrid columns not fully clearing when pgColumns is set
In-Reply-To: <8C4479DE-8456-456E-82A8-84AE2FDAC828@major-k.de>
References: <cf0a3941-ae5a-e0d7-374d-4350f2f67e5c@researchware.com>
 <d7b786f2-06c1-5a3a-f787-64a5f4a2be91@researchware.com>
 <8C4479DE-8456-456E-82A8-84AE2FDAC828@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <ed02d312-5d38-d353-8c43-09909c05b8a7@researchware.com>

Thanks Klaus.

I may use this method rather than the overhead of clearing and setting 
the whole pgData property.

Actually, the more I think about it, neither "method" should be needed. 
This is a polygrid bug. If you set the pgColumsn to fewer column, 
regardless of whether there is left over data in pgData, only the 
columns in the currently set pgColumns should be seen.


On 8/24/2023 2:34 PM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote:
> Hi Paul,
>
>> Am 24.08.2023 um 20:30 schrieb Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>
>> Aha, I was setting pgColumns to the fewer columns and THEN pgData to the smaller data set to match the columns
>> You need to clear the pgData (set to empty) first, then set the columns, then set the new pgData.
>> Perhaps this is a documentation bug?
> I had success by setting the dgColumns to EMPTY first and later to the new "fewer" columns:
> ## Button "Fewer Columns"
> on mouseUp pMouseButton
>    local tColA, tDataA
>    local tSum
>    lock screen
>
>    ## !!
>    set the pgColumns of widget "myTable" to EMPTY
>   ## !!
>
>    put "rowname" into tColA[1]["name"]
> ...
>
>> On 8/24/2023 2:26 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
>>> Hi to any polygrid developers out there,
>>>
>>> Please see bug https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=24315
>>>
>>> I have run into an issue with the latest polygrid (as of this post) where if you set pgColumns to a new array that reduces the number of columns in the grid, some old columns are not cleared, but instead are set to defaults (ie. the names revert to col5, col6, etc. instead of being completely removed
>>>
>>> Any thoughts to a work-around?
> Best
>
> Klaus
>
> --
> Klaus Major
> https://www.major-k.de
> https://www.major-k.de/bass
> klaus at major-k.de
>
>
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From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Thu Aug 24 16:48:55 2023
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2023 22:48:55 +0200
Subject: OT - Mac Notarization Problem - Desperation setting in
In-Reply-To: <65E7119E-1DA1-43DC-B667-F90F7F249CFD@buffalo.edu>
References: <65E7119E-1DA1-43DC-B667-F90F7F249CFD@buffalo.edu>
Message-ID: <A74BD566-78C4-48E1-A0CF-5FD761B515D9@m-r-d.de>

Timothy,

so running the following command from step 7.1.2 of that lesson

xcrun notarytool submit --apple-id "<your_AppleID>" --password "<yourAppSpecificPassword>" --team-id <yourTeamID> --wait "<path_to_file>"

gives you the 401 error or are you using the parameter --keychain-profile instead of the three parameters --password,--team-id and --apple-id?
If using the above command, then could you please run the command again from command line and add --verbose  to enable a detailed log and send the log file to me in a private email?

If the second, then did you create a new keychain profile as described in chapter 8 of that lesson?

Regards,
Matthias





> Am 24.08.2023 um 19:02 schrieb Timothy Bleiler via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I believe the problem I’m having is either on Apple’s end or something with my local configuration but Apple has not been very helpful and I’m running out of ideas, so I’m turning to the wealth of experience on this list in desperation.
> 
> I’ve been using the lessons from  Matthias Rebbe and V4 of his handy mrSignNotarizeHelper stack.
> Code signing seems to work fine but when I get to the Notarization step I always get an
> "Error: HTTP status code: 401. Invalid credentials. Username or password is incorrect.
> 
> I’m on an M1 Mac with OS 13.4.1, Xcode 14.3.1 is installed, Livecode 9.6.9.
> 
> So far, this is what I’ve tried with the same result
> 
> 1) Verified developer account in good status with Apple
> 2) Multiple checks of my credentials (Apple ID, team ID, app-specific password) on Apple's developer and ID sites,
> 3) Multiple checks of my credentials in the parameters I’m using
> 4) Setting up a new app specific password on my account
> 5) Trying with a different Livecode application
> 6 Trying everything manually in Terminal. (What is apparent is any subcommands of NotaryTool (e.g. submit, store-credentials) using my credentials fail with the same error.
> 
> 7) Repeat everything on a brand new user account on my Mac
> 8) Sought help through devprograms at apple.com<mailto:devprograms at apple.com>
> 
> 
> I’ve done codesigning and notarization many times before with the same developer account with no issues.
> What’s new here for me is using NotaryTool and the app-specific password.
> 
> I realize this is a long shot but I’m stuck, so it would be great if anyone has any suggestions for solving this problem (even some detail I may have missed in the steps I’ve already taken)
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Tim Bleiler, Ph.D.
> Instructional Designer, HSIT
> University at Buffalo
> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Aug 24 16:53:06 2023
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2023 20:53:06 +0000
Subject: Polygrid columns not fully clearing when pgColumns is set
In-Reply-To: <ed02d312-5d38-d353-8c43-09909c05b8a7@researchware.com>
References: <cf0a3941-ae5a-e0d7-374d-4350f2f67e5c@researchware.com>
 <d7b786f2-06c1-5a3a-f787-64a5f4a2be91@researchware.com>
 <8C4479DE-8456-456E-82A8-84AE2FDAC828@major-k.de>
 <ed02d312-5d38-d353-8c43-09909c05b8a7@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <E2DD3752-EAE6-4153-821F-A3B77E158642@iotecdigital.com>

Why not get the pgColumns first, alter only the array element needed for the specific column(s), then set the pgColumns of the PolyGrid?

Bob S


> On Aug 24, 2023, at 1:26 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Thanks Klaus.
> 
> I may use this method rather than the overhead of clearing and setting the whole pgData property.
> 
> Actually, the more I think about it, neither "method" should be needed. This is a polygrid bug. If you set the pgColumsn to fewer column, regardless of whether there is left over data in pgData, only the columns in the currently set pgColumns should be seen.
> 
> 
> On 8/24/2023 2:34 PM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote:
>> Hi Paul,
>> 
>>> Am 24.08.2023 um 20:30 schrieb Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>> 
>>> Aha, I was setting pgColumns to the fewer columns and THEN pgData to the smaller data set to match the columns
>>> You need to clear the pgData (set to empty) first, then set the columns, then set the new pgData.
>>> Perhaps this is a documentation bug?
>> I had success by setting the dgColumns to EMPTY first and later to the new "fewer" columns:
>> ## Button "Fewer Columns"
>> on mouseUp pMouseButton
>>   local tColA, tDataA
>>   local tSum
>>   lock screen
>> 
>>   ## !!
>>   set the pgColumns of widget "myTable" to EMPTY
>>  ## !!
>> 
>>   put "rowname" into tColA[1]["name"]
>> ...
>> 
>>> On 8/24/2023 2:26 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
>>>> Hi to any polygrid developers out there,
>>>> 
>>>> Please see bug https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=24315
>>>> 
>>>> I have run into an issue with the latest polygrid (as of this post) where if you set pgColumns to a new array that reduces the number of columns in the grid, some old columns are not cleared, but instead are set to defaults (ie. the names revert to col5, col6, etc. instead of being completely removed
>>>> 
>>>> Any thoughts to a work-around?
>> Best
>> 
>> Klaus
>> 
>> --
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>> https://www.major-k.de
>> https://www.major-k.de/bass
>> klaus at major-k.de
>> 
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From paul at researchware.com  Thu Aug 24 17:49:36 2023
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2023 17:49:36 -0400
Subject: Polygrid columns not fully clearing when pgColumns is set
In-Reply-To: <E2DD3752-EAE6-4153-821F-A3B77E158642@iotecdigital.com>
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In this particular case, the table being displayed in the polygrid is 
based on datasets that researcher loads into our application and the 
number of rows and columns can vary widely as well as the column 
names/labels and type of data. Rather than conduct a large analysis to 
determine which of N columns (and it could be 0 to N) have changed, it 
is easier to update pgColumns.

In one dataset N could be 3 and in the next 1500 (yes, for real)



On 8/24/2023 4:53 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
> Why not get the pgColumns first, alter only the array element needed for the specific column(s), then set the pgColumns of the PolyGrid?
>
> Bob S
>
>
>> On Aug 24, 2023, at 1:26 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Klaus.
>>
>> I may use this method rather than the overhead of clearing and setting the whole pgData property.
>>
>> Actually, the more I think about it, neither "method" should be needed. This is a polygrid bug. If you set the pgColumsn to fewer column, regardless of whether there is left over data in pgData, only the columns in the currently set pgColumns should be seen.
>>
>>
>> On 8/24/2023 2:34 PM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote:
>>> Hi Paul,
>>>
>>>> Am 24.08.2023 um 20:30 schrieb Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>>>
>>>> Aha, I was setting pgColumns to the fewer columns and THEN pgData to the smaller data set to match the columns
>>>> You need to clear the pgData (set to empty) first, then set the columns, then set the new pgData.
>>>> Perhaps this is a documentation bug?
>>> I had success by setting the dgColumns to EMPTY first and later to the new "fewer" columns:
>>> ## Button "Fewer Columns"
>>> on mouseUp pMouseButton
>>>    local tColA, tDataA
>>>    local tSum
>>>    lock screen
>>>
>>>    ## !!
>>>    set the pgColumns of widget "myTable" to EMPTY
>>>   ## !!
>>>
>>>    put "rowname" into tColA[1]["name"]
>>> ...
>>>
>>>> On 8/24/2023 2:26 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
>>>>> Hi to any polygrid developers out there,
>>>>>
>>>>> Please see bug https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=24315
>>>>>
>>>>> I have run into an issue with the latest polygrid (as of this post) where if you set pgColumns to a new array that reduces the number of columns in the grid, some old columns are not cleared, but instead are set to defaults (ie. the names revert to col5, col6, etc. instead of being completely removed
>>>>>
>>>>> Any thoughts to a work-around?
>>> Best
>>>
>>> Klaus
>>>
>>> --
>>> Klaus Major
>>> https://www.major-k.de
>>> https://www.major-k.de/bass
>>> klaus at major-k.de
>>>
>>>
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From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Thu Aug 24 19:17:27 2023
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2023 19:17:27 -0400
Subject: Behaviors
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polygrid
the api is similar, but they also have some nice additional features.
i have ripped all my dg's and replaced them with pg's.
now, if you're using custom templates, have a look at the pl - polyList.

On Thu, Aug 24, 2023 at 2:12 PM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> Ah thanks for that. Yes, I knew how to nest behaviors for datagrids, but I never use the Project Browser because of issues I had many years ago. I may have another look.
>
> What is a “pg”? I make extensive use of Datagrid properties, and whatever I might replace them with needs to provide ALL their functionality.
>
> Bob S
>
>
> > On Aug 24, 2023, at 10:15 AM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > i'm pretty sure you can set a dg's behavior. then you would set the
> > behavior of that behavior to the button behavior (button id 1005 of
> > stack "revDataGridLibrary"), OR you can include THAT script,
> > separately, set that as the behavior, and modify it
> > (but, what you should really do is remove your dg's and replace them
> > with pg's, imho. they're much faster and more flexible and powerful).
> > the project browser has a button for each behavior in the chain of an
> > object. i'm pretty sure that levure baker's assistant does, too.
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 24, 2023 at 11:35 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
> > <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> There is also the Advanced button in the property inspector (looks like one large gear with two smaller ones) where you can type the behavior, and also has the target icon. Also, you shouldn’t have to do that every time. Once should be enough if you save the stack afterwards.
> >>
> >> I note that Datagrids have no way to set the behavior, since they depend on their default behavior. It was discussed long ago when nested behaviors became a thing, that there ought to be a way to edit a list of behaviors of an object. In fact it shouldn’t be that difficult to make a Behavior Browser widget of some sort. Hmmm...
> >>
> >> Bob S
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Aug 23, 2023, at 5:00 PM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I, too, have discovered the target icon to the right of the behavior object field in the property inspector. Alas, using that that I see only buttons on the current card (and stacks). I don’t see a way to navigate to a different card and select a button there. I might have missed it. — Dar
> >>>
> >>>> On Aug 22, 2023, at 1:05 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> you probably know this: in the property inspector, there's a panel for
> >>>> behavior, so you can just select the behavior from a menu button,
> >>>> without having to type it
> >>>>
> >>>> On Tue, Aug 22, 2023 at 1:37 PM Dar Scott via use-livecode
> >>>> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I figured out how to do it in the IDE. I needed to include “of stack” in the reference. — Dar
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Aug 22, 2023, at 11:09 AM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Not sure how it works in the IDE - seems a problem because it only presents button in the current stack.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> So I do it all in preOpen... scripts, doing something like
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> set the behavior of fld "F" of grp tmpName to the long id of button "RichTextFieldBehaviour" of \
> >>>>>>>       card "Behaviours" of stack "/Users/alextweedly/Dropbox/My Livecode/Libraries/richText.livecode"
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Alex.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 22/08/2023 17:57, Dar Scott via use-livecode wrote:
> >>>>>>> I am misremembering things about Behaviors.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I have a card with my behavior buttons, but I can’t seem to point to buttons on that card. Maybe, I’m remembering what I did long ago with front scripts.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I suppose I can use substacks, but I’m worried that the stacks would be in the message path. Is there a way to keep the stack out of the message path?
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-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


From paul at researchware.com  Thu Aug 24 19:56:29 2023
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2023 19:56:29 -0400
Subject: Polygrid sorting
Message-ID: <e94e5b85-75f2-85aa-4da8-7cf51408aa7e@researchware.com>

The Polygrid, unlike the Datagrid, has no built in column sorting. You 
have to roll your own.

Before I write my own, has anyone written a column sort (i.e click on a 
column header to sort by it) for a Poly grid they'd care to share?





From gcanyon at gmail.com  Thu Aug 24 22:04:04 2023
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2023 22:04:04 -0400
Subject: Behaviors
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I'll admit it's not very intuitive, but:

In Navigator, right-click any button. On the context menu, select Copy >
Objects.
Navigate to any control or card, stack, etc. Bookmarks are fine for this as
well.
Right-click any other control. On the context menu, select Set Copied Btn
as Behavior.

On Thu, Aug 24, 2023 at 7:19 PM Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> polygrid
> the api is similar, but they also have some nice additional features.
> i have ripped all my dg's and replaced them with pg's.
> now, if you're using custom templates, have a look at the pl - polyList.
>
> On Thu, Aug 24, 2023 at 2:12 PM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Ah thanks for that. Yes, I knew how to nest behaviors for datagrids, but
> I never use the Project Browser because of issues I had many years ago. I
> may have another look.
> >
> > What is a “pg”? I make extensive use of Datagrid properties, and
> whatever I might replace them with needs to provide ALL their functionality.
> >
> > Bob S
> >
> >
> > > On Aug 24, 2023, at 10:15 AM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > i'm pretty sure you can set a dg's behavior. then you would set the
> > > behavior of that behavior to the button behavior (button id 1005 of
> > > stack "revDataGridLibrary"), OR you can include THAT script,
> > > separately, set that as the behavior, and modify it
> > > (but, what you should really do is remove your dg's and replace them
> > > with pg's, imho. they're much faster and more flexible and powerful).
> > > the project browser has a button for each behavior in the chain of an
> > > object. i'm pretty sure that levure baker's assistant does, too.
> > >
> > > On Thu, Aug 24, 2023 at 11:35 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
> > > <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> There is also the Advanced button in the property inspector (looks
> like one large gear with two smaller ones) where you can type the behavior,
> and also has the target icon. Also, you shouldn’t have to do that every
> time. Once should be enough if you save the stack afterwards.
> > >>
> > >> I note that Datagrids have no way to set the behavior, since they
> depend on their default behavior. It was discussed long ago when nested
> behaviors became a thing, that there ought to be a way to edit a list of
> behaviors of an object. In fact it shouldn’t be that difficult to make a
> Behavior Browser widget of some sort. Hmmm...
> > >>
> > >> Bob S
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> On Aug 23, 2023, at 5:00 PM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> I, too, have discovered the target icon to the right of the behavior
> object field in the property inspector. Alas, using that that I see only
> buttons on the current card (and stacks). I don’t see a way to navigate to
> a different card and select a button there. I might have missed it. — Dar
> > >>>
> > >>>> On Aug 22, 2023, at 1:05 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> you probably know this: in the property inspector, there's a panel
> for
> > >>>> behavior, so you can just select the behavior from a menu button,
> > >>>> without having to type it
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Tue, Aug 22, 2023 at 1:37 PM Dar Scott via use-livecode
> > >>>> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I figured out how to do it in the IDE. I needed to include “of
> stack” in the reference. — Dar
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> On Aug 22, 2023, at 11:09 AM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Not sure how it works in the IDE - seems a problem because it
> only presents button in the current stack.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> So I do it all in preOpen... scripts, doing something like
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> set the behavior of fld "F" of grp tmpName to the long id of
> button "RichTextFieldBehaviour" of \
> > >>>>>>>       card "Behaviours" of stack "/Users/alextweedly/Dropbox/My
> Livecode/Libraries/richText.livecode"
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Alex.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> On 22/08/2023 17:57, Dar Scott via use-livecode wrote:
> > >>>>>>> I am misremembering things about Behaviors.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> I have a card with my behavior buttons, but I can’t seem to
> point to buttons on that card. Maybe, I’m remembering what I did long ago
> with front scripts.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> I suppose I can use substacks, but I’m worried that the stacks
> would be in the message path. Is there a way to keep the stack out of the
> message path?
> > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________
> > >>>>>>> use-livecode mailing list
> > >>>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > >>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
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> > >>>> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> > >>>> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
> > >>>> and did a little diving.
> > >>>> And God said, "This is good."
> > >>>>
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> > > On the second day, God created the oceans.
> > > On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
> > >   and did a little diving.
> > > And God said, "This is good."
> > >
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> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>    and did a little diving.
> And God said, "This is good."
>
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From heather at livecode.com  Fri Aug 25 04:13:14 2023
From: heather at livecode.com (Heather Laine)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2023 09:13:14 +0100
Subject: OT - Mac Notarization Problem - Desperation setting in
In-Reply-To: <65E7119E-1DA1-43DC-B667-F90F7F249CFD@buffalo.edu>
References: <65E7119E-1DA1-43DC-B667-F90F7F249CFD@buffalo.edu>
Message-ID: <9DE2E7AD-8AFF-4DAF-A8E3-3F1063F6C912@livecode.com>

Tim - codesigning is not my expertise but failed password credentials I deal with frequently :). A possible gotcha is that your password is saved to your keychain, and then, if you change it, the changed password is overwritten by the saved password, invisibly since the password is hidden when entered. I would recommend deleting all saved passwords from your keychain for your certificates etc, and re-entering them to eliminate this possibility.

Probably not the issue but you never know...

Best Regards,

Heather

Heather Laine
Customer Services Manager
LiveCode Ltd
www.livecode.com



> On 24 Aug 2023, at 18:02, Timothy Bleiler via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I believe the problem I’m having is either on Apple’s end or something with my local configuration but Apple has not been very helpful and I’m running out of ideas, so I’m turning to the wealth of experience on this list in desperation.
> 
> I’ve been using the lessons from  Matthias Rebbe and V4 of his handy mrSignNotarizeHelper stack.
> Code signing seems to work fine but when I get to the Notarization step I always get an
> "Error: HTTP status code: 401. Invalid credentials. Username or password is incorrect.
> 
> I’m on an M1 Mac with OS 13.4.1, Xcode 14.3.1 is installed, Livecode 9.6.9.
> 
> So far, this is what I’ve tried with the same result
> 
> 1) Verified developer account in good status with Apple
> 2) Multiple checks of my credentials (Apple ID, team ID, app-specific password) on Apple's developer and ID sites,
> 3) Multiple checks of my credentials in the parameters I’m using
> 4) Setting up a new app specific password on my account
> 5) Trying with a different Livecode application
> 6 Trying everything manually in Terminal. (What is apparent is any subcommands of NotaryTool (e.g. submit, store-credentials) using my credentials fail with the same error.
> 
> 7) Repeat everything on a brand new user account on my Mac
> 8) Sought help through devprograms at apple.com<mailto:devprograms at apple.com>
> 
> 
> I’ve done codesigning and notarization many times before with the same developer account with no issues.
> What’s new here for me is using NotaryTool and the app-specific password.
> 
> I realize this is a long shot but I’m stuck, so it would be great if anyone has any suggestions for solving this problem (even some detail I may have missed in the steps I’ve already taken)
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Tim Bleiler, Ph.D.
> Instructional Designer, HSIT
> University at Buffalo
> 
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From merakosp at gmail.com  Fri Aug 25 05:16:44 2023
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis m)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2023 12:16:44 +0300
Subject: Polygrid sorting
In-Reply-To: <e94e5b85-75f2-85aa-4da8-7cf51408aa7e@researchware.com>
References: <e94e5b85-75f2-85aa-4da8-7cf51408aa7e@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq9z5+Gv8SW3M2V=F+gRT+H2Khzy8P218qJnwx1+_DXPQg@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Paul,

See the example in the dictionary for the "headerClick" message:

local sDirection

on headerClick pColumnNumber
    local tText

    put the text of me into tText
    put not sDirection[pColumnNumber] into sDirection[pColumnNumber]

    set the itemDel to tab

    # Sort data by this column.
    if sDirection[pColumnNumber] then
        sort lines of tText ascending by item pColumnNumber of each
    else
        sort lines of tText descending by item pColumnNumber of each
    end if

    set the text of me to tText
end headerClick

Kind regards,
Panos

--

On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 at 02:57, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> The Polygrid, unlike the Datagrid, has no built in column sorting. You
> have to roll your own.
>
> Before I write my own, has anyone written a column sort (i.e click on a
> column header to sort by it) for a Poly grid they'd care to share?
>
>
>
>
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From paul at researchware.com  Fri Aug 25 07:04:21 2023
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2023 07:04:21 -0400
Subject: Polygrid sorting
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq9z5+Gv8SW3M2V=F+gRT+H2Khzy8P218qJnwx1+_DXPQg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e94e5b85-75f2-85aa-4da8-7cf51408aa7e@researchware.com>
 <CA+JfEq9z5+Gv8SW3M2V=F+gRT+H2Khzy8P218qJnwx1+_DXPQg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c784972f-f8a8-0cb8-b671-01744124abcd@researchware.com>

Thank you Panos!

I must be going blind not to have seen the example when I clicked on the 
Dictionary entry for the message!

On 8/25/2023 5:16 AM, panagiotis m via use-livecode wrote:
> Hello Paul,
>
> See the example in the dictionary for the "headerClick" message:
>
> local sDirection
>
> on headerClick pColumnNumber
>      local tText
>
>      put the text of me into tText
>      put not sDirection[pColumnNumber] into sDirection[pColumnNumber]
>
>      set the itemDel to tab
>
>      # Sort data by this column.
>      if sDirection[pColumnNumber] then
>          sort lines of tText ascending by item pColumnNumber of each
>      else
>          sort lines of tText descending by item pColumnNumber of each
>      end if
>
>      set the text of me to tText
> end headerClick
>
> Kind regards,
> Panos
>
> --
>
> On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 at 02:57, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> The Polygrid, unlike the Datagrid, has no built in column sorting. You
>> have to roll your own.
>>
>> Before I write my own, has anyone written a column sort (i.e click on a
>> column header to sort by it) for a Poly grid they'd care to share?
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From roger.e.eller at sealedair.com  Fri Aug 25 09:10:22 2023
From: roger.e.eller at sealedair.com (Eller, Roger)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2023 13:10:22 +0000
Subject: Merging PDF pages
Message-ID: <BN8PR14MB2913ED08DBE6439CD248F041AFE3A@BN8PR14MB2913.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>

It's been a while since I've posted a question here.  Is it possible to use livecode script to merge multiple 1-page PDFs into a multipage PDF without using Acrobat or other 3rd party software?

Thanks.

~Roger



From craig at starfirelighting.com  Fri Aug 25 09:33:44 2023
From: craig at starfirelighting.com (Craig Newman)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2023 09:33:44 -0400
Subject: Merging PDF pages
In-Reply-To: <BN8PR14MB2913ED08DBE6439CD248F041AFE3A@BN8PR14MB2913.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BN8PR14MB2913ED08DBE6439CD248F041AFE3A@BN8PR14MB2913.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <6409CAFB-BDFC-4F1B-9838-5EBAEA51624B@starfirelighting.com>

Hi.

Sure. Try this in a button on card 1 of a new stack with, say, three cards:

on mouseUp

get the desktop folder

open printing to pdf it & "/" & “yourNamehere" & ".pdf"

repeat with x = 1 to 3

print card x

end repeat

close printing

end mouseUp



And I wonder if the new pdf widget has that built in.



Craig


> On Aug 25, 2023, at 9:10 AM, Eller, Roger via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> It's been a while since I've posted a question here.  Is it possible to use livecode script to merge multiple 1-page PDFs into a multipage PDF without using Acrobat or other 3rd party software?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> ~Roger
> 
> 
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From craig at starfirelighting.com  Fri Aug 25 09:39:56 2023
From: craig at starfirelighting.com (Craig Newman)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2023 09:39:56 -0400
Subject: Merging PDF pages
In-Reply-To: <6409CAFB-BDFC-4F1B-9838-5EBAEA51624B@starfirelighting.com>
References: <BN8PR14MB2913ED08DBE6439CD248F041AFE3A@BN8PR14MB2913.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
 <6409CAFB-BDFC-4F1B-9838-5EBAEA51624B@starfirelighting.com>
Message-ID: <0A45F528-142B-4FCE-A5E4-CC935D256AFB@starfirelighting.com>

Hmmm.

Rereading, did you want to be able to collect existing pdf documents, read them, and then output a single new PDF?   If so, I guess you can import those documents as images on successive cards, and do what I posted earlier.

Seems clunky, but then you are asking LC to do something clunky.

Craig

> On Aug 25, 2023, at 9:33 AM, Craig Newman via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi.
> 
> Sure. Try this in a button on card 1 of a new stack with, say, three cards:
> 
> on mouseUp
> 
> get the desktop folder
> 
> open printing to pdf it & "/" & “yourNamehere" & ".pdf"
> 
> repeat with x = 1 to 3
> 
> print card x
> 
> end repeat
> 
> close printing
> 
> end mouseUp
> 
> 
> 
> And I wonder if the new pdf widget has that built in.
> 
> 
> 
> Craig
> 
> 
>> On Aug 25, 2023, at 9:10 AM, Eller, Roger via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> It's been a while since I've posted a question here.  Is it possible to use livecode script to merge multiple 1-page PDFs into a multipage PDF without using Acrobat or other 3rd party software?
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> ~Roger
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Fri Aug 25 09:58:10 2023
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2023 16:58:10 +0300
Subject: Merging PDF pages
In-Reply-To: <0A45F528-142B-4FCE-A5E4-CC935D256AFB@starfirelighting.com>
References: <BN8PR14MB2913ED08DBE6439CD248F041AFE3A@BN8PR14MB2913.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
 <6409CAFB-BDFC-4F1B-9838-5EBAEA51624B@starfirelighting.com>
 <0A45F528-142B-4FCE-A5E4-CC935D256AFB@starfirelighting.com>
Message-ID: <89e805a0-da4d-4468-ac39-f79d31e2268e@gmail.com>

Humph . . . importing documents at images and then knitting them 
together . . . be aware that you will lose one the most valuable things 
about a PDF document: the embedded text layer.

Richmond.

On 25.08.23 16:39, Craig Newman via use-livecode wrote:
> Hmmm.
>
> Rereading, did you want to be able to collect existing pdf documents, read them, and then output a single new PDF?   If so, I guess you can import those documents as images on successive cards, and do what I posted earlier.
>
> Seems clunky, but then you are asking LC to do something clunky.
>
> Craig
>
>> On Aug 25, 2023, at 9:33 AM, Craig Newman via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi.
>>
>> Sure. Try this in a button on card 1 of a new stack with, say, three cards:
>>
>> on mouseUp
>>
>> get the desktop folder
>>
>> open printing to pdf it & "/" & yourNamehere" & ".pdf"
>>
>> repeat with x = 1 to 3
>>
>> print card x
>>
>> end repeat
>>
>> close printing
>>
>> end mouseUp
>>
>>
>>
>> And I wonder if the new pdf widget has that built in.
>>
>>
>>
>> Craig
>>
>>
>>> On Aug 25, 2023, at 9:10 AM, Eller, Roger via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> It's been a while since I've posted a question here.  Is it possible to use livecode script to merge multiple 1-page PDFs into a multipage PDF without using Acrobat or other 3rd party software?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> ~Roger
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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From craig at starfirelighting.com  Fri Aug 25 10:03:02 2023
From: craig at starfirelighting.com (Craig Newman)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2023 10:03:02 -0400
Subject: Merging PDF pages
In-Reply-To: <0A45F528-142B-4FCE-A5E4-CC935D256AFB@starfirelighting.com>
References: <BN8PR14MB2913ED08DBE6439CD248F041AFE3A@BN8PR14MB2913.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
 <6409CAFB-BDFC-4F1B-9838-5EBAEA51624B@starfirelighting.com>
 <0A45F528-142B-4FCE-A5E4-CC935D256AFB@starfirelighting.com>
Message-ID: <73387718-83BB-469A-AE58-137DB4F8C1D9@starfirelighting.com>

Richmond.

Did I mention this was a bit clunky?

Craig

> On Aug 25, 2023, at 9:39 AM, Craig Newman via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hmmm.
> 
> Rereading, did you want to be able to collect existing pdf documents, read them, and then output a single new PDF?   If so, I guess you can import those documents as images on successive cards, and do what I posted earlier.
> 
> Seems clunky, but then you are asking LC to do something clunky.
> 
> Craig
> 
>> On Aug 25, 2023, at 9:33 AM, Craig Newman via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi.
>> 
>> Sure. Try this in a button on card 1 of a new stack with, say, three cards:
>> 
>> on mouseUp
>> 
>> get the desktop folder
>> 
>> open printing to pdf it & "/" & “yourNamehere" & ".pdf"
>> 
>> repeat with x = 1 to 3
>> 
>> print card x
>> 
>> end repeat
>> 
>> close printing
>> 
>> end mouseUp
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> And I wonder if the new pdf widget has that built in.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Craig
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 25, 2023, at 9:10 AM, Eller, Roger via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> It's been a while since I've posted a question here.  Is it possible to use livecode script to merge multiple 1-page PDFs into a multipage PDF without using Acrobat or other 3rd party software?
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> ~Roger
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> 
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From paul at researchware.com  Fri Aug 25 10:22:07 2023
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2023 10:22:07 -0400
Subject: Merging PDF pages
In-Reply-To: <BN8PR14MB2913ED08DBE6439CD248F041AFE3A@BN8PR14MB2913.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BN8PR14MB2913ED08DBE6439CD248F041AFE3A@BN8PR14MB2913.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <0d130f7d-9c5c-c18e-ecfe-b5c83a4cd5ab@researchware.com>

The short answer is NO. There is nothing built into Livecode to take a 
set fo existing PDF files and append them to create a readable PDF that 
is them all stitched together. Neither the XPDF external nor the PDF 
widget will do this.

You best option is to use some 3rd party command line utility that will 
merge PDF files that works on the platform or platforms your want to do 
this on and use the Livecode shell() function to call that command line 
utility.

If this is going to be a distributed standalone, you can actually read 
the utility as a binary file and compress it as a staved property in 
your application, that can uncompress and install it on any target computer.

We do this with the popular free open-source video tool ffmpeg for macOS 
and WIndows. Our app install it if needed on the target computer from a 
compressed copy bundled into our app and we use SHELL() to call it to do 
several video operations that can't be done in Livecode.

Paul Dupuis
Researchware



On 8/25/2023 9:10 AM, Eller, Roger via use-livecode wrote:
> It's been a while since I've posted a question here.  Is it possible to use livecode script to merge multiple 1-page PDFs into a multipage PDF without using Acrobat or other 3rd party software?
>
> Thanks.
>
> ~Roger
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From bleiler at buffalo.edu  Fri Aug 25 10:37:57 2023
From: bleiler at buffalo.edu (Timothy Bleiler)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2023 14:37:57 +0000
Subject: OT - Mac Notarization Problem - Desperation setting in
In-Reply-To: <9DE2E7AD-8AFF-4DAF-A8E3-3F1063F6C912@livecode.com>
References: <65E7119E-1DA1-43DC-B667-F90F7F249CFD@buffalo.edu>
 <9DE2E7AD-8AFF-4DAF-A8E3-3F1063F6C912@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <6B0CBBC2-5759-4E5F-B9D2-43CFC50D0CC0@buffalo.edu>

Thank you Heather,

I’ll take a look.  Matthias Rebbe is also trying to help me find the problem.

Regards,
Tim Bleiler



> On Aug 25, 2023, at 4:13 AM, Heather Laine via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> Tim - codesigning is not my expertise but failed password credentials I deal with frequently :). A possible gotcha is that your password is saved to your keychain, and then, if you change it, the changed password is overwritten by the saved password, invisibly since the password is hidden when entered. I would recommend deleting all saved passwords from your keychain for your certificates etc, and re-entering them to eliminate this possibility.
>
> Probably not the issue but you never know...
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Heather
>
> Heather Laine
> Customer Services Manager
> LiveCode Ltd
> http://www.livecode.com/
>
>
>
>> On 24 Aug 2023, at 18:02, Timothy Bleiler via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I believe the problem I’m having is either on Apple’s end or something with my local configuration but Apple has not been very helpful and I’m running out of ideas, so I’m turning to the wealth of experience on this list in desperation.
>>
>> I’ve been using the lessons from  Matthias Rebbe and V4 of his handy mrSignNotarizeHelper stack.
>> Code signing seems to work fine but when I get to the Notarization step I always get an
>> "Error: HTTP status code: 401. Invalid credentials. Username or password is incorrect.
>>
>> I’m on an M1 Mac with OS 13.4.1, Xcode 14.3.1 is installed, Livecode 9.6.9.
>>
>> So far, this is what I’ve tried with the same result
>>
>> 1) Verified developer account in good status with Apple
>> 2) Multiple checks of my credentials (Apple ID, team ID, app-specific password) on Apple's developer and ID sites,
>> 3) Multiple checks of my credentials in the parameters I’m using
>> 4) Setting up a new app specific password on my account
>> 5) Trying with a different Livecode application
>> 6 Trying everything manually in Terminal. (What is apparent is any subcommands of NotaryTool (e.g. submit, store-credentials) using my credentials fail with the same error.
>>
>> 7) Repeat everything on a brand new user account on my Mac
>> 8) Sought help through devprograms at apple.com<mailto:devprograms at apple.com>
>>
>>
>> I’ve done codesigning and notarization many times before with the same developer account with no issues.
>> What’s new here for me is using NotaryTool and the app-specific password.
>>
>> I realize this is a long shot but I’m stuck, so it would be great if anyone has any suggestions for solving this problem (even some detail I may have missed in the steps I’ve already taken)
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Tim Bleiler, Ph.D.
>> Instructional Designer, HSIT
>> University at Buffalo
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
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>
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From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Fri Aug 25 10:44:08 2023
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2023 16:44:08 +0200
Subject: OT - Mac Notarization Problem - Desperation setting in
In-Reply-To: <6B0CBBC2-5759-4E5F-B9D2-43CFC50D0CC0@buffalo.edu>
References: <65E7119E-1DA1-43DC-B667-F90F7F249CFD@buffalo.edu>
 <9DE2E7AD-8AFF-4DAF-A8E3-3F1063F6C912@livecode.com>
 <6B0CBBC2-5759-4E5F-B9D2-43CFC50D0CC0@buffalo.edu>
Message-ID: <186D0CBE-2783-44A3-9040-5D4395E1F269@m-r-d.de>

The Keychain.app does not have any influence on passwords entered in the command line.
Passwords entered in terminal will not be replaced by Keychain.app.

> Am 25.08.2023 um 16:37 schrieb Timothy Bleiler via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Thank you Heather,
> 
> I’ll take a look.  Matthias Rebbe is also trying to help me find the problem.
> 
> Regards,
> Tim Bleiler
> 
> 
> 
>> On Aug 25, 2023, at 4:13 AM, Heather Laine via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Tim - codesigning is not my expertise but failed password credentials I deal with frequently :). A possible gotcha is that your password is saved to your keychain, and then, if you change it, the changed password is overwritten by the saved password, invisibly since the password is hidden when entered. I would recommend deleting all saved passwords from your keychain for your certificates etc, and re-entering them to eliminate this possibility.
>> 
>> Probably not the issue but you never know...
>> 
>> Best Regards,
>> 
>> Heather
>> 
>> Heather Laine
>> Customer Services Manager
>> LiveCode Ltd
>> http://www.livecode.com/
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 24 Aug 2023, at 18:02, Timothy Bleiler via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I believe the problem I’m having is either on Apple’s end or something with my local configuration but Apple has not been very helpful and I’m running out of ideas, so I’m turning to the wealth of experience on this list in desperation.
>>> 
>>> I’ve been using the lessons from  Matthias Rebbe and V4 of his handy mrSignNotarizeHelper stack.
>>> Code signing seems to work fine but when I get to the Notarization step I always get an
>>> "Error: HTTP status code: 401. Invalid credentials. Username or password is incorrect.
>>> 
>>> I’m on an M1 Mac with OS 13.4.1, Xcode 14.3.1 is installed, Livecode 9.6.9.
>>> 
>>> So far, this is what I’ve tried with the same result
>>> 
>>> 1) Verified developer account in good status with Apple
>>> 2) Multiple checks of my credentials (Apple ID, team ID, app-specific password) on Apple's developer and ID sites,
>>> 3) Multiple checks of my credentials in the parameters I’m using
>>> 4) Setting up a new app specific password on my account
>>> 5) Trying with a different Livecode application
>>> 6 Trying everything manually in Terminal. (What is apparent is any subcommands of NotaryTool (e.g. submit, store-credentials) using my credentials fail with the same error.
>>> 
>>> 7) Repeat everything on a brand new user account on my Mac
>>> 8) Sought help through devprograms at apple.com<mailto:devprograms at apple.com>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I’ve done codesigning and notarization many times before with the same developer account with no issues.
>>> What’s new here for me is using NotaryTool and the app-specific password.
>>> 
>>> I realize this is a long shot but I’m stuck, so it would be great if anyone has any suggestions for solving this problem (even some detail I may have missed in the steps I’ve already taken)
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Tim Bleiler, Ph.D.
>>> Instructional Designer, HSIT
>>> University at Buffalo
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> 
>> 
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From merakosp at gmail.com  Fri Aug 25 10:52:55 2023
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis m)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2023 17:52:55 +0300
Subject: Merging PDF pages
In-Reply-To: <0d130f7d-9c5c-c18e-ecfe-b5c83a4cd5ab@researchware.com>
References: <BN8PR14MB2913ED08DBE6439CD248F041AFE3A@BN8PR14MB2913.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
 <0d130f7d-9c5c-c18e-ecfe-b5c83a4cd5ab@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq-y9d4yYnX0NMEtMCE6qPCqbOSJrm2JoaEF=ZVm8qGZbg@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all,

There is a built-in utility on MacOS for merging PDFs. You can call it from
"shell", as Paul suggested.

This seems to work - tested on MacOS Mojave. It merges "test1.pdf" and
"test2.pdf" into "merged.pdf" on Desktop.
Just check that the path of tApp actually exists in modern MacOS as well.

on mouseUp pButtonNumber
   local tShell, tApp
   put quote & "/System/Library/Automator/Combine PDF
Pages.action/Contents/Resources/join.py" & quote \
         into tApp
   put tApp && "-o ~/Desktop/merged.pdf ~/Desktop/test1.pdf
~/Desktop/test2.pdf" \
         into tShell
   get shell(tShell)
end mouseUp

Cheers,
Panos
--

On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 at 17:23, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> The short answer is NO. There is nothing built into Livecode to take a
> set fo existing PDF files and append them to create a readable PDF that
> is them all stitched together. Neither the XPDF external nor the PDF
> widget will do this.
>
> You best option is to use some 3rd party command line utility that will
> merge PDF files that works on the platform or platforms your want to do
> this on and use the Livecode shell() function to call that command line
> utility.
>
> If this is going to be a distributed standalone, you can actually read
> the utility as a binary file and compress it as a staved property in
> your application, that can uncompress and install it on any target
> computer.
>
> We do this with the popular free open-source video tool ffmpeg for macOS
> and WIndows. Our app install it if needed on the target computer from a
> compressed copy bundled into our app and we use SHELL() to call it to do
> several video operations that can't be done in Livecode.
>
> Paul Dupuis
> Researchware
>
>
>
> On 8/25/2023 9:10 AM, Eller, Roger via use-livecode wrote:
> > It's been a while since I've posted a question here.  Is it possible to
> use livecode script to merge multiple 1-page PDFs into a multipage PDF
> without using Acrobat or other 3rd party software?
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > ~Roger
> >
> >
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> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
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>
>
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From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Fri Aug 25 11:00:23 2023
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2023 17:00:23 +0200
Subject: Merging PDF pages
In-Reply-To: <BN8PR14MB2913ED08DBE6439CD248F041AFE3A@BN8PR14MB2913.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BN8PR14MB2913ED08DBE6439CD248F041AFE3A@BN8PR14MB2913.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <AB43A066-941B-4B57-A1DC-311C27E8EFD9@m-r-d.de>

On which OS are you planning to do this?

On Windows and macOS you could make use of PDFTK server from PDFLabs.com <http://pdflabs.com/>

On macOS  PDFTK Server normally  has to be installed to use it. But you could follow these steps here to get it working w/o installation.

1. Do not use the d/l link for pdftk Server from the pdfLabs website. That version will not work on macOS11 and up. Instead download this version of PDFTK Server. Sid Steward created a new version but did not update the d/l link
https://www.pdflabs.com/tools/pdftk-the-pdf-toolkit/pdftk_server-2.02-mac_osx-10.11-setup.pkg

2. to extract the pkg run the following in Terminal
pkgutil --expand <source path of pkg>  <destinaltion path>

If the source path to the pkg contains spaces then put quotes around the path.

After extraction you'll find the 2 folders lib and bin and some others .The 2 mentioned ones are needed. 

Now in LC you can use shell shell function to call the pdftk

Example
set the folder to "path to the bin folder"

put shell("./pdftk  file1.pdf file2.pdf file3.pdf cat output mynewfile.pdf")


would create combine the three file..pdf file into a new one called mynewfile.pdf


I wrote this in a hurry, so i might have some error in my explanation. Just ask, if you have problems.

Regards,

Matthias

> Am 25.08.2023 um 15:10 schrieb Eller, Roger via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> It's been a while since I've posted a question here.  Is it possible to use livecode script to merge multiple 1-page PDFs into a multipage PDF without using Acrobat or other 3rd party software?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> ~Roger
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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From marksmithhfx at gmail.com  Fri Aug 25 11:24:08 2023
From: marksmithhfx at gmail.com (Mark Smith)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2023 16:24:08 +0100
Subject: OT - Mac Notarization Problem - Desperation setting in
In-Reply-To: <6B0CBBC2-5759-4E5F-B9D2-43CFC50D0CC0@buffalo.edu>
References: <65E7119E-1DA1-43DC-B667-F90F7F249CFD@buffalo.edu>
 <9DE2E7AD-8AFF-4DAF-A8E3-3F1063F6C912@livecode.com>
 <6B0CBBC2-5759-4E5F-B9D2-43CFC50D0CC0@buffalo.edu>
Message-ID: <53FADCF6-21F5-4F09-9F54-983E184F56A0@gmail.com>

Hi Tim,

Codesigning is (as you probably know) one of the tricker bits of building an app for distribution (and I’ve certainly had my share of failures and frustrations along the way). I am following this thread closely so if you don’t mind sharing, I’d be interested in hearing what the solution is, once you’ve found it. 

Cheers and best of luck,
Mark

> On 25 Aug 2023, at 3:37 pm, Timothy Bleiler via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Thank you Heather,
> 
> I’ll take a look.  Matthias Rebbe is also trying to help me find the problem.
> 
> Regards,
> Tim Bleiler
> 
> 
> 
>> On Aug 25, 2023, at 4:13 AM, Heather Laine via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Tim - codesigning is not my expertise but failed password credentials I deal with frequently :). A possible gotcha is that your password is saved to your keychain, and then, if you change it, the changed password is overwritten by the saved password, invisibly since the password is hidden when entered. I would recommend deleting all saved passwords from your keychain for your certificates etc, and re-entering them to eliminate this possibility.
>> 
>> Probably not the issue but you never know...
>> 
>> Best Regards,
>> 
>> Heather
>> 
>> Heather Laine
>> Customer Services Manager
>> LiveCode Ltd
>> http://www.livecode.com/ <http://www.livecode.com/>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 24 Aug 2023, at 18:02, Timothy Bleiler via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I believe the problem I’m having is either on Apple’s end or something with my local configuration but Apple has not been very helpful and I’m running out of ideas, so I’m turning to the wealth of experience on this list in desperation.
>>> 
>>> I’ve been using the lessons from  Matthias Rebbe and V4 of his handy mrSignNotarizeHelper stack.
>>> Code signing seems to work fine but when I get to the Notarization step I always get an
>>> "Error: HTTP status code: 401. Invalid credentials. Username or password is incorrect.
>>> 
>>> I’m on an M1 Mac with OS 13.4.1, Xcode 14.3.1 is installed, Livecode 9.6.9.
>>> 
>>> So far, this is what I’ve tried with the same result
>>> 
>>> 1) Verified developer account in good status with Apple
>>> 2) Multiple checks of my credentials (Apple ID, team ID, app-specific password) on Apple's developer and ID sites,
>>> 3) Multiple checks of my credentials in the parameters I’m using
>>> 4) Setting up a new app specific password on my account
>>> 5) Trying with a different Livecode application
>>> 6 Trying everything manually in Terminal. (What is apparent is any subcommands of NotaryTool (e.g. submit, store-credentials) using my credentials fail with the same error.
>>> 
>>> 7) Repeat everything on a brand new user account on my Mac
>>> 8) Sought help through devprograms at apple.com<mailto:devprograms at apple.com>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I’ve done codesigning and notarization many times before with the same developer account with no issues.
>>> What’s new here for me is using NotaryTool and the app-specific password.
>>> 
>>> I realize this is a long shot but I’m stuck, so it would be great if anyone has any suggestions for solving this problem (even some detail I may have missed in the steps I’ve already taken)
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Tim Bleiler, Ph.D.
>>> Instructional Designer, HSIT
>>> University at Buffalo
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> 
>> 
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From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Fri Aug 25 14:16:01 2023
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2023 20:16:01 +0200
Subject: Merging PDF pages
In-Reply-To: <AB43A066-941B-4B57-A1DC-311C27E8EFD9@m-r-d.de>
References: <BN8PR14MB2913ED08DBE6439CD248F041AFE3A@BN8PR14MB2913.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
 <AB43A066-941B-4B57-A1DC-311C27E8EFD9@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <37B87F81-5AC8-40C7-AA0D-E518B7688A12@m-r-d.de>

Just noticed that my steps are missing something.
So here's version 2 of it.

1. download
https://www.pdflabs.com/tools/pdftk-the-pdf-toolkit/pdftk_server-2.02-mac_osx-10.11-setup.pkg

2. to extract the pkg run the following in Terminal
pkgutil --expand <source path of pkg>  <destinaltion path>

If the source path to the pkg contains spaces then put quotes around the path.

3. Now open the destination path to which you've extracted the .pkg. There should be another pkg pdftk.pkg

4. right click the file pdftk.pkg  and select "show package content"

5. Now you should see a file payload. Right click that file and select "open with" and select the archive utility to decompress the file payload.

6. After extraction you'll find a new folder "Payload 2"

7. open that folder. In that folder you will find the Lib and Bin folder. Copy those folder to another location.

Now in LC you can use shell shell function to call the pdftk

Example
set the folder to "path to the bin folder"

put shell("./pdftk  file1.pdf file2.pdf file3.pdf cat output mynewfile.pdf")


would create combine the three file..pdf file into a new one called mynewfile.pdf

To use pdftk server in your standalone  you just have to include both folders in your standalone.


On Windows you first have to run the setup of pdftk server. During the installation you can select the folder where pdftk server shall be installed. You then can copy the bin folder from that installation folder
and use it with your standalone on any other computer without the need to run the setup on that computer.




> Am 25.08.2023 um 17:00 schrieb matthias rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> On which OS are you planning to do this?
> 
> On Windows and macOS you could make use of PDFTK server from PDFLabs.com <http://pdflabs.com/>
> 
> On macOS  PDFTK Server normally  has to be installed to use it. But you could follow these steps here to get it working w/o installation.
> 
> 1. Do not use the d/l link for pdftk Server from the pdfLabs website. That version will not work on macOS11 and up. Instead download this version of PDFTK Server. Sid Steward created a new version but did not update the d/l link
> https://www.pdflabs.com/tools/pdftk-the-pdf-toolkit/pdftk_server-2.02-mac_osx-10.11-setup.pkg
> 
> 2. to extract the pkg run the following in Terminal
> pkgutil --expand <source path of pkg>  <destinaltion path>
> 
> If the source path to the pkg contains spaces then put quotes around the path.
> 
> After extraction you'll find the 2 folders lib and bin and some others .The 2 mentioned ones are needed. 
> 
> Now in LC you can use shell shell function to call the pdftk
> 
> Example
> set the folder to "path to the bin folder"
> 
> put shell("./pdftk  file1.pdf file2.pdf file3.pdf cat output mynewfile.pdf")
> 
> 
> would create combine the three file..pdf file into a new one called mynewfile.pdf
> 
> 
> I wrote this in a hurry, so i might have some error in my explanation. Just ask, if you have problems.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Matthias
> 
>> Am 25.08.2023 um 15:10 schrieb Eller, Roger via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>> 
>> It's been a while since I've posted a question here.  Is it possible to use livecode script to merge multiple 1-page PDFs into a multipage PDF without using Acrobat or other 3rd party software?
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> ~Roger
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> 
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From scott at elementarysoftware.com  Fri Aug 25 14:38:42 2023
From: scott at elementarysoftware.com (scott at elementarysoftware.com)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2023 11:38:42 -0700
Subject: OT - Mac Notarization Problem - Desperation setting in
In-Reply-To: <53FADCF6-21F5-4F09-9F54-983E184F56A0@gmail.com>
References: <65E7119E-1DA1-43DC-B667-F90F7F249CFD@buffalo.edu>
 <9DE2E7AD-8AFF-4DAF-A8E3-3F1063F6C912@livecode.com>
 <6B0CBBC2-5759-4E5F-B9D2-43CFC50D0CC0@buffalo.edu>
 <53FADCF6-21F5-4F09-9F54-983E184F56A0@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2C904D9D-C5D8-4E6F-A61F-2650ECCC49FA@elementarysoftware.com>

I use Matthias' brilliant “mrSignNotarizeHelperV4.livecode” project regularly and when I’ve had a problem in the past, ticking the “Debug mode” checkbox (which places each step of the terminal commands in the message box when you click the “Start” button) and then manually entering each of these steps as a command line in Terminal.app, has been helpful in figuring out exactly what step was failing. And sometimes, why.

--
Scott Morrow

Elementary Software
(Now with 20% less chalk dust!)
web       https://elementarysoftware.com/
email     scott at elementarysoftware.com
booth    1-360-734-4701
------------------------------------------------------

> On Aug 25, 2023, at 8:24 AM, Mark Smith via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim,
> 
> Codesigning is (as you probably know) one of the tricker bits of building an app for distribution (and I’ve certainly had my share of failures and frustrations along the way). I am following this thread closely so if you don’t mind sharing, I’d be interested in hearing what the solution is, once you’ve found it. 
> 
> Cheers and best of luck,
> Mark
> 
>> On 25 Aug 2023, at 3:37 pm, Timothy Bleiler via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Thank you Heather,
>> 
>> I’ll take a look.  Matthias Rebbe is also trying to help me find the problem.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Tim Bleiler
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 25, 2023, at 4:13 AM, Heather Laine via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Tim - codesigning is not my expertise but failed password credentials I deal with frequently :). A possible gotcha is that your password is saved to your keychain, and then, if you change it, the changed password is overwritten by the saved password, invisibly since the password is hidden when entered. I would recommend deleting all saved passwords from your keychain for your certificates etc, and re-entering them to eliminate this possibility.
>>> 
>>> Probably not the issue but you never know...
>>> 
>>> Best Regards,
>>> 
>>> Heather
>>> 
>>> Heather Laine
>>> Customer Services Manager
>>> LiveCode Ltd
>>> http://www.livecode.com/ <http://www.livecode.com/>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 24 Aug 2023, at 18:02, Timothy Bleiler via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> 
>>>> I believe the problem I’m having is either on Apple’s end or something with my local configuration but Apple has not been very helpful and I’m running out of ideas, so I’m turning to the wealth of experience on this list in desperation.
>>>> 
>>>> I’ve been using the lessons from  Matthias Rebbe and V4 of his handy mrSignNotarizeHelper stack.
>>>> Code signing seems to work fine but when I get to the Notarization step I always get an
>>>> "Error: HTTP status code: 401. Invalid credentials. Username or password is incorrect.
>>>> 
>>>> I’m on an M1 Mac with OS 13.4.1, Xcode 14.3.1 is installed, Livecode 9.6.9.
>>>> 
>>>> So far, this is what I’ve tried with the same result
>>>> 
>>>> 1) Verified developer account in good status with Apple
>>>> 2) Multiple checks of my credentials (Apple ID, team ID, app-specific password) on Apple's developer and ID sites,
>>>> 3) Multiple checks of my credentials in the parameters I’m using
>>>> 4) Setting up a new app specific password on my account
>>>> 5) Trying with a different Livecode application
>>>> 6 Trying everything manually in Terminal. (What is apparent is any subcommands of NotaryTool (e.g. submit, store-credentials) using my credentials fail with the same error.
>>>> 
>>>> 7) Repeat everything on a brand new user account on my Mac
>>>> 8) Sought help through devprograms at apple.com<mailto:devprograms at apple.com>
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I’ve done codesigning and notarization many times before with the same developer account with no issues.
>>>> What’s new here for me is using NotaryTool and the app-specific password.
>>>> 
>>>> I realize this is a long shot but I’m stuck, so it would be great if anyone has any suggestions for solving this problem (even some detail I may have missed in the steps I’ve already taken)
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> 
>>>> Tim Bleiler, Ph.D.
>>>> Instructional Designer, HSIT
>>>> University at Buffalo
>>>> 








From bleiler at buffalo.edu  Fri Aug 25 16:34:24 2023
From: bleiler at buffalo.edu (Timothy Bleiler)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2023 20:34:24 +0000
Subject: OT - Mac Notarization Problem - Desperation setting in
In-Reply-To: <2C904D9D-C5D8-4E6F-A61F-2650ECCC49FA@elementarysoftware.com>
References: <65E7119E-1DA1-43DC-B667-F90F7F249CFD@buffalo.edu>
 <9DE2E7AD-8AFF-4DAF-A8E3-3F1063F6C912@livecode.com>
 <6B0CBBC2-5759-4E5F-B9D2-43CFC50D0CC0@buffalo.edu>
 <53FADCF6-21F5-4F09-9F54-983E184F56A0@gmail.com>
 <2C904D9D-C5D8-4E6F-A61F-2650ECCC49FA@elementarysoftware.com>
Message-ID: <F831C52C-885B-4B0D-A941-857020E0EEE1@buffalo.edu>

I think I’ve solved it.  I’m very grateful to Matthias both for his code signing tool and his personal help with this problem.

In the end it looks like the trouble was caused by a combination of my limited experience with the process and a lack of helpful feedback from Apple’s online tools at critical points.

Here’s what happened.
- I have 2 user accounts on my Mac that use different Apple IDs.

- Somehow the one I use for the Apple developer account had made my Mac NOT a trusted device for the Apple ID I use for development. I have no idea how this happened.
You can verify that your device is trusted at appleid.apple.com<http://appleid.apple.com/> for your account under “Devices”.

- Despite the device not being trusted for the account, the website let me think I’d created an app-specific password. I hadn’t succeed, but my lack of experience prevented me from realizing that the second step of the process is getting the actual password back from Apple and copying it down.  I didn’t get anything, no error message, so in my ignorance I thought the seed string I’d typed in WAS the password. So, I did NOT have an actual app-specific password to use in the NotaryTool commands. This caused all commands dependent on an app-specific password to fail.

What solved it for me was to go to System Settings, sign out of the Apple account on the mac and sign back in again.
Then sign back in to appleid.apple.com<http://appleid.apple.com/>, verify that my Mac was a trusted device on my developer account and then create a NEW app-specific password.
This time I saw the second part when they send the actual password. I think you need to copy this down because I don’t see any way to recover it again later.

Once I had the new app-specific password and my Mac was a trusted device in my developer account, the notaryTool commands worked without errors.

It all makes me long for the days when we could easily pass around Hypercard stacks for the fun of it!!



On Aug 25, 2023, at 2:38 PM, scott--- via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

I use Matthias' brilliant “mrSignNotarizeHelperV4.livecode” project regularly and when I’ve had a problem in the past, ticking the “Debug mode” checkbox (which places each step of the terminal commands in the message box when you click the “Start” button) and then manually entering each of these steps as a command line in Terminal.app, has been helpful in figuring out exactly what step was failing. And sometimes, why.

--
Scott Morrow

Elementary Software
(Now with 20% less chalk dust!)
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On Aug 25, 2023, at 8:24 AM, Mark Smith via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

Hi Tim,

Codesigning is (as you probably know) one of the tricker bits of building an app for distribution (and I’ve certainly had my share of failures and frustrations along the way). I am following this thread closely so if you don’t mind sharing, I’d be interested in hearing what the solution is, once you’ve found it.

Cheers and best of luck,
Mark

On 25 Aug 2023, at 3:37 pm, Timothy Bleiler via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

Thank you Heather,

I’ll take a look.  Matthias Rebbe is also trying to help me find the problem.

Regards,
Tim Bleiler



On Aug 25, 2023, at 4:13 AM, Heather Laine via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:

Tim - codesigning is not my expertise but failed password credentials I deal with frequently :). A possible gotcha is that your password is saved to your keychain, and then, if you change it, the changed password is overwritten by the saved password, invisibly since the password is hidden when entered. I would recommend deleting all saved passwords from your keychain for your certificates etc, and re-entering them to eliminate this possibility.

Probably not the issue but you never know...

Best Regards,

Heather

Heather Laine
Customer Services Manager
LiveCode Ltd
https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.livecode.com%2F&data=05%7C01%7Cbleiler%40buffalo.edu%7Ccc7afb2eab1b4bcb60b608dba59aa569%7C96464a8af8ed40b199e25f6b50a20250%7C0%7C0%7C638285855863548154%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=Eaw78gb3oD9j4XuzyHu%2FdyRRerM%2FT0GunR2oGocDSzM%3D&reserved=0 <https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.livecode.com%2F&data=05%7C01%7Cbleiler%40buffalo.edu%7Ccc7afb2eab1b4bcb60b608dba59aa569%7C96464a8af8ed40b199e25f6b50a20250%7C0%7C0%7C638285855863548154%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=Eaw78gb3oD9j4XuzyHu%2FdyRRerM%2FT0GunR2oGocDSzM%3D&reserved=0>



On 24 Aug 2023, at 18:02, Timothy Bleiler via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

Hi all,

I believe the problem I’m having is either on Apple’s end or something with my local configuration but Apple has not been very helpful and I’m running out of ideas, so I’m turning to the wealth of experience on this list in desperation.

I’ve been using the lessons from  Matthias Rebbe and V4 of his handy mrSignNotarizeHelper stack.
Code signing seems to work fine but when I get to the Notarization step I always get an
"Error: HTTP status code: 401. Invalid credentials. Username or password is incorrect.

I’m on an M1 Mac with OS 13.4.1, Xcode 14.3.1 is installed, Livecode 9.6.9.

So far, this is what I’ve tried with the same result

1) Verified developer account in good status with Apple
2) Multiple checks of my credentials (Apple ID, team ID, app-specific password) on Apple's developer and ID sites,
3) Multiple checks of my credentials in the parameters I’m using
4) Setting up a new app specific password on my account
5) Trying with a different Livecode application
6 Trying everything manually in Terminal. (What is apparent is any subcommands of NotaryTool (e.g. submit, store-credentials) using my credentials fail with the same error.

7) Repeat everything on a brand new user account on my Mac
8) Sought help through devprograms at apple.com<mailto:devprograms at apple.com>


I’ve done codesigning and notarization many times before with the same developer account with no issues.
What’s new here for me is using NotaryTool and the app-specific password.

I realize this is a long shot but I’m stuck, so it would be great if anyone has any suggestions for solving this problem (even some detail I may have missed in the steps I’ve already taken)

Thanks,

Tim Bleiler, Ph.D.
Instructional Designer, HSIT
University at Buffalo








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From bleiler at buffalo.edu  Fri Aug 25 16:41:28 2023
From: bleiler at buffalo.edu (Timothy Bleiler)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2023 20:41:28 +0000
Subject: OT - Mac Notarization Problem - Desperation setting in
In-Reply-To: <F831C52C-885B-4B0D-A941-857020E0EEE1@buffalo.edu>
References: <65E7119E-1DA1-43DC-B667-F90F7F249CFD@buffalo.edu>
 <9DE2E7AD-8AFF-4DAF-A8E3-3F1063F6C912@livecode.com>
 <6B0CBBC2-5759-4E5F-B9D2-43CFC50D0CC0@buffalo.edu>
 <53FADCF6-21F5-4F09-9F54-983E184F56A0@gmail.com>
 <2C904D9D-C5D8-4E6F-A61F-2650ECCC49FA@elementarysoftware.com>
 <F831C52C-885B-4B0D-A941-857020E0EEE1@buffalo.edu>
Message-ID: <6268B1CD-DE82-4979-814A-B3914DDFB456@buffalo.edu>

It’s just not my day.  The goofy links in my last post are just supposed to be references to the appleID site.  I don’t know how all the rest of that got put in there.
I’ve got to be more careful with my copy and paste I guess.



> On Aug 25, 2023, at 4:34 PM, Timothy Bleiler via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> I think I’ve solved it.  I’m very grateful to Matthias both for his code signing tool and his personal help with this problem.
>
> In the end it looks like the trouble was caused by a combination of my limited experience with the process and a lack of helpful feedback from Apple’s online tools at critical points.
>
> Here’s what happened.
> - I have 2 user accounts on my Mac that use different Apple IDs.
>
> - Somehow the one I use for the Apple developer account had made my Mac NOT a trusted device for the Apple ID I use for development. I have no idea how this happened.
> You can verify that your device is trusted at appleid.apple.com<http://appleid.apple.com/> for your account under “Devices”.
>
> - Despite the device not being trusted for the account, the website let me think I’d created an app-specific password. I hadn’t succeed, but my lack of experience prevented me from realizing that the second step of the process is getting the actual password back from Apple and copying it down.  I didn’t get anything, no error message, so in my ignorance I thought the seed string I’d typed in WAS the password. So, I did NOT have an actual app-specific password to use in the NotaryTool commands. This caused all commands dependent on an app-specific password to fail.
>
> What solved it for me was to go to System Settings, sign out of the Apple account on the mac and sign back in again.
> Then sign back in to appleid.apple.com<http://appleid.apple.com/>, verify that my Mac was a trusted device on my developer account and then create a NEW app-specific password.
> This time I saw the second part when they send the actual password. I think you need to copy this down because I don’t see any way to recover it again later.
>
> Once I had the new app-specific password and my Mac was a trusted device in my developer account, the notaryTool commands worked without errors.
>
> It all makes me long for the days when we could easily pass around Hypercard stacks for the fun of it!!
>
>
>
> On Aug 25, 2023, at 2:38 PM, scott--- via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> I use Matthias' brilliant “mrSignNotarizeHelperV4.livecode” project regularly and when I’ve had a problem in the past, ticking the “Debug mode” checkbox (which places each step of the terminal commands in the message box when you click the “Start” button) and then manually entering each of these steps as a command line in Terminal.app, has been helpful in figuring out exactly what step was failing. And sometimes, why.
>
> --
> Scott Morrow
>
> Elementary Software
> (Now with 20% less chalk dust!)
> web       https://elementarysoftware.com/
> email     scott at elementarysoftware.com
> booth    1-360-734-4701
> ------------------------------------------------------
>
> On Aug 25, 2023, at 8:24 AM, Mark Smith via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Tim,
>
> Codesigning is (as you probably know) one of the tricker bits of building an app for distribution (and I’ve certainly had my share of failures and frustrations along the way). I am following this thread closely so if you don’t mind sharing, I’d be interested in hearing what the solution is, once you’ve found it.
>
> Cheers and best of luck,
> Mark
>
> On 25 Aug 2023, at 3:37 pm, Timothy Bleiler via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> Thank you Heather,
>
> I’ll take a look.  Matthias Rebbe is also trying to help me find the problem.
>
> Regards,
> Tim Bleiler
>
>
>
> On Aug 25, 2023, at 4:13 AM, Heather Laine via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
>
> Tim - codesigning is not my expertise but failed password credentials I deal with frequently :). A possible gotcha is that your password is saved to your keychain, and then, if you change it, the changed password is overwritten by the saved password, invisibly since the password is hidden when entered. I would recommend deleting all saved passwords from your keychain for your certificates etc, and re-entering them to eliminate this possibility.
>
> Probably not the issue but you never know...
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Heather
>
> Heather Laine
> Customer Services Manager
> LiveCode Ltd
> http://www.livecode.com/ <http://www.livecode.com/>
>
>
>
> On 24 Aug 2023, at 18:02, Timothy Bleiler via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I believe the problem I’m having is either on Apple’s end or something with my local configuration but Apple has not been very helpful and I’m running out of ideas, so I’m turning to the wealth of experience on this list in desperation.
>
> I’ve been using the lessons from  Matthias Rebbe and V4 of his handy mrSignNotarizeHelper stack.
> Code signing seems to work fine but when I get to the Notarization step I always get an
> "Error: HTTP status code: 401. Invalid credentials. Username or password is incorrect.
>
> I’m on an M1 Mac with OS 13.4.1, Xcode 14.3.1 is installed, Livecode 9.6.9.
>
> So far, this is what I’ve tried with the same result
>
> 1) Verified developer account in good status with Apple
> 2) Multiple checks of my credentials (Apple ID, team ID, app-specific password) on Apple's developer and ID sites,
> 3) Multiple checks of my credentials in the parameters I’m using
> 4) Setting up a new app specific password on my account
> 5) Trying with a different Livecode application
> 6 Trying everything manually in Terminal. (What is apparent is any subcommands of NotaryTool (e.g. submit, store-credentials) using my credentials fail with the same error.
>
> 7) Repeat everything on a brand new user account on my Mac
> 8) Sought help through devprograms at apple.com<mailto:devprograms at apple.com>
>
>
> I’ve done codesigning and notarization many times before with the same developer account with no issues.
> What’s new here for me is using NotaryTool and the app-specific password.
>
> I realize this is a long shot but I’m stuck, so it would be great if anyone has any suggestions for solving this problem (even some detail I may have missed in the steps I’ve already taken)
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tim Bleiler, Ph.D.
> Instructional Designer, HSIT
> University at Buffalo
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Fri Aug 25 17:00:52 2023
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2023 23:00:52 +0200
Subject: OT - Mac Notarization Problem - Desperation setting in
In-Reply-To: <6268B1CD-DE82-4979-814A-B3914DDFB456@buffalo.edu>
References: <65E7119E-1DA1-43DC-B667-F90F7F249CFD@buffalo.edu>
 <9DE2E7AD-8AFF-4DAF-A8E3-3F1063F6C912@livecode.com>
 <6B0CBBC2-5759-4E5F-B9D2-43CFC50D0CC0@buffalo.edu>
 <53FADCF6-21F5-4F09-9F54-983E184F56A0@gmail.com>
 <2C904D9D-C5D8-4E6F-A61F-2650ECCC49FA@elementarysoftware.com>
 <F831C52C-885B-4B0D-A941-857020E0EEE1@buffalo.edu>
 <6268B1CD-DE82-4979-814A-B3914DDFB456@buffalo.edu>
Message-ID: <FB6DE30A-6998-4458-BA39-A9467AB27D25@m-r-d.de>

If you mean that the the link was shown normal and also in sharp bracktes, then that seems to be normal here in the list.
I noticed this also in the past.


> Am 25.08.2023 um 22:41 schrieb Timothy Bleiler via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> It’s just not my day.  The goofy links in my last post are just supposed to be references to the appleID site.  I don’t know how all the rest of that got put in there.
> I’ve got to be more careful with my copy and paste I guess.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Aug 25, 2023, at 4:34 PM, Timothy Bleiler via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I think I’ve solved it.  I’m very grateful to Matthias both for his code signing tool and his personal help with this problem.
>> 
>> In the end it looks like the trouble was caused by a combination of my limited experience with the process and a lack of helpful feedback from Apple’s online tools at critical points.
>> 
>> Here’s what happened.
>> - I have 2 user accounts on my Mac that use different Apple IDs.
>> 
>> - Somehow the one I use for the Apple developer account had made my Mac NOT a trusted device for the Apple ID I use for development. I have no idea how this happened.
>> You can verify that your device is trusted at appleid.apple.com<http://appleid.apple.com/> for your account under “Devices”.
>> 
>> - Despite the device not being trusted for the account, the website let me think I’d created an app-specific password. I hadn’t succeed, but my lack of experience prevented me from realizing that the second step of the process is getting the actual password back from Apple and copying it down.  I didn’t get anything, no error message, so in my ignorance I thought the seed string I’d typed in WAS the password. So, I did NOT have an actual app-specific password to use in the NotaryTool commands. This caused all commands dependent on an app-specific password to fail.
>> 
>> What solved it for me was to go to System Settings, sign out of the Apple account on the mac and sign back in again.
>> Then sign back in to appleid.apple.com<http://appleid.apple.com/>, verify that my Mac was a trusted device on my developer account and then create a NEW app-specific password.
>> This time I saw the second part when they send the actual password. I think you need to copy this down because I don’t see any way to recover it again later.
>> 
>> Once I had the new app-specific password and my Mac was a trusted device in my developer account, the notaryTool commands worked without errors.
>> 
>> It all makes me long for the days when we could easily pass around Hypercard stacks for the fun of it!!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Aug 25, 2023, at 2:38 PM, scott--- via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I use Matthias' brilliant “mrSignNotarizeHelperV4.livecode” project regularly and when I’ve had a problem in the past, ticking the “Debug mode” checkbox (which places each step of the terminal commands in the message box when you click the “Start” button) and then manually entering each of these steps as a command line in Terminal.app, has been helpful in figuring out exactly what step was failing. And sometimes, why.
>> 
>> --
>> Scott Morrow
>> 
>> Elementary Software
>> (Now with 20% less chalk dust!)
>> web       https://elementarysoftware.com/
>> email     scott at elementarysoftware.com
>> booth    1-360-734-4701
>> ------------------------------------------------------
>> 
>> On Aug 25, 2023, at 8:24 AM, Mark Smith via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Tim,
>> 
>> Codesigning is (as you probably know) one of the tricker bits of building an app for distribution (and I’ve certainly had my share of failures and frustrations along the way). I am following this thread closely so if you don’t mind sharing, I’d be interested in hearing what the solution is, once you’ve found it.
>> 
>> Cheers and best of luck,
>> Mark
>> 
>> On 25 Aug 2023, at 3:37 pm, Timothy Bleiler via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Thank you Heather,
>> 
>> I’ll take a look.  Matthias Rebbe is also trying to help me find the problem.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Tim Bleiler
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Aug 25, 2023, at 4:13 AM, Heather Laine via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Tim - codesigning is not my expertise but failed password credentials I deal with frequently :). A possible gotcha is that your password is saved to your keychain, and then, if you change it, the changed password is overwritten by the saved password, invisibly since the password is hidden when entered. I would recommend deleting all saved passwords from your keychain for your certificates etc, and re-entering them to eliminate this possibility.
>> 
>> Probably not the issue but you never know...
>> 
>> Best Regards,
>> 
>> Heather
>> 
>> Heather Laine
>> Customer Services Manager
>> LiveCode Ltd
>> http://www.livecode.com/ <http://www.livecode.com/>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 24 Aug 2023, at 18:02, Timothy Bleiler via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I believe the problem I’m having is either on Apple’s end or something with my local configuration but Apple has not been very helpful and I’m running out of ideas, so I’m turning to the wealth of experience on this list in desperation.
>> 
>> I’ve been using the lessons from  Matthias Rebbe and V4 of his handy mrSignNotarizeHelper stack.
>> Code signing seems to work fine but when I get to the Notarization step I always get an
>> "Error: HTTP status code: 401. Invalid credentials. Username or password is incorrect.
>> 
>> I’m on an M1 Mac with OS 13.4.1, Xcode 14.3.1 is installed, Livecode 9.6.9.
>> 
>> So far, this is what I’ve tried with the same result
>> 
>> 1) Verified developer account in good status with Apple
>> 2) Multiple checks of my credentials (Apple ID, team ID, app-specific password) on Apple's developer and ID sites,
>> 3) Multiple checks of my credentials in the parameters I’m using
>> 4) Setting up a new app specific password on my account
>> 5) Trying with a different Livecode application
>> 6 Trying everything manually in Terminal. (What is apparent is any subcommands of NotaryTool (e.g. submit, store-credentials) using my credentials fail with the same error.
>> 
>> 7) Repeat everything on a brand new user account on my Mac
>> 8) Sought help through devprograms at apple.com<mailto:devprograms at apple.com>
>> 
>> 
>> I’ve done codesigning and notarization many times before with the same developer account with no issues.
>> What’s new here for me is using NotaryTool and the app-specific password.
>> 
>> I realize this is a long shot but I’m stuck, so it would be great if anyone has any suggestions for solving this problem (even some detail I may have missed in the steps I’ve already taken)
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Tim Bleiler, Ph.D.
>> Instructional Designer, HSIT
>> University at Buffalo
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Aug 25 17:04:46 2023
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2023 21:04:46 +0000
Subject: OT - Mac Notarization Problem - Desperation setting in
In-Reply-To: <F831C52C-885B-4B0D-A941-857020E0EEE1@buffalo.edu>
References: <65E7119E-1DA1-43DC-B667-F90F7F249CFD@buffalo.edu>
 <9DE2E7AD-8AFF-4DAF-A8E3-3F1063F6C912@livecode.com>
 <6B0CBBC2-5759-4E5F-B9D2-43CFC50D0CC0@buffalo.edu>
 <53FADCF6-21F5-4F09-9F54-983E184F56A0@gmail.com>
 <2C904D9D-C5D8-4E6F-A61F-2650ECCC49FA@elementarysoftware.com>
 <F831C52C-885B-4B0D-A941-857020E0EEE1@buffalo.edu>
Message-ID: <94EB6397-D25E-4140-9132-88D7C05F88BB@iotecdigital.com>

Yes, this is the advantage of an. App specific password. It’s unrecoverable by you, and so by anyone else.

Bob S


On Aug 25, 2023, at 1:34 PM, Timothy Bleiler via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

This time I saw the second part when they send the actual password. I think you need to copy this down because I don’t see any way to recover it again later.


From roger.e.eller at sealedair.com  Fri Aug 25 17:15:38 2023
From: roger.e.eller at sealedair.com (Eller, Roger)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2023 21:15:38 +0000
Subject: Merging PDF pages
In-Reply-To: <37B87F81-5AC8-40C7-AA0D-E518B7688A12@m-r-d.de>
References: <BN8PR14MB2913ED08DBE6439CD248F041AFE3A@BN8PR14MB2913.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
 <AB43A066-941B-4B57-A1DC-311C27E8EFD9@m-r-d.de>
 <37B87F81-5AC8-40C7-AA0D-E518B7688A12@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <BN8PR14MB291302D53A3DEBCC13DA19DCAFE3A@BN8PR14MB2913.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>

Thank you for this and all the details, Matthias.  I will give it a try.


~Roger

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Just noticed that my steps are missing something.
So here's version 2 of it.

1. download
https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.pdflabs.com%2Ftools%2Fpdftk-the-pdf-toolkit%2Fpdftk_server-2.02-mac_osx-10.11-setup.pkg&data=05%7C01%7Croger.e.eller%40sealedair.com%7Ce1d5200433404eec54d008dba59780d1%7C2691a2514c384643af0b0c0982f197bd%7C0%7C0%7C638285842350859203%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=tEXnKnbF7xT3GjOMoYKIiM%2Fv3JwkS7pzKRM3op80KMI%3D&reserved=0<https://www.pdflabs.com/tools/pdftk-the-pdf-toolkit/pdftk_server-2.02-mac_osx-10.11-setup.pkg>

2. to extract the pkg run the following in Terminal
pkgutil --expand <source path of pkg>  <destinaltion path>

If the source path to the pkg contains spaces then put quotes around the path.

3. Now open the destination path to which you've extracted the .pkg. There should be another pkg pdftk.pkg

4. right click the file pdftk.pkg  and select "show package content"

5. Now you should see a file payload. Right click that file and select "open with" and select the archive utility to decompress the file payload.

6. After extraction you'll find a new folder "Payload 2"

7. open that folder. In that folder you will find the Lib and Bin folder. Copy those folder to another location.

Now in LC you can use shell shell function to call the pdftk

Example
set the folder to "path to the bin folder"

put shell("./pdftk  file1.pdf file2.pdf file3.pdf cat output mynewfile.pdf")


would create combine the three file..pdf file into a new one called mynewfile.pdf

To use pdftk server in your standalone  you just have to include both folders in your standalone.


On Windows you first have to run the setup of pdftk server. During the installation you can select the folder where pdftk server shall be installed. You then can copy the bin folder from that installation folder
and use it with your standalone on any other computer without the need to run the setup on that computer.




> Am 25.08.2023 um 17:00 schrieb matthias rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>
> On which OS are you planning to do this?
>
> On Windows and macOS you could make use of PDFTK server from PDFLabs.com <https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fpdflabs.com%2F&data=05%7C01%7Croger.e.eller%40sealedair.com%7Ce1d5200433404eec54d008dba59780d1%7C2691a2514c384643af0b0c0982f197bd%7C0%7C0%7C638285842350859203%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=2KHRMuPPbThuEdstyMStYxuVIocIbRsA9yaSB%2Fw%2F7dI%3D&reserved=0<http://pdflabs.com/>>
>
> On macOS  PDFTK Server normally  has to be installed to use it. But you could follow these steps here to get it working w/o installation.
>
> 1. Do not use the d/l link for pdftk Server from the pdfLabs website. That version will not work on macOS11 and up. Instead download this version of PDFTK Server. Sid Steward created a new version but did not update the d/l link
> https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.pdflabs.com%2Ftools%2Fpdftk-the-pdf-toolkit%2Fpdftk_server-2.02-mac_osx-10.11-setup.pkg&data=05%7C01%7Croger.e.eller%40sealedair.com%7Ce1d5200433404eec54d008dba59780d1%7C2691a2514c384643af0b0c0982f197bd%7C0%7C0%7C638285842351015442%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=S5yjsFoOrBWQY%2FKUhQbD6WZxAzuRiBOK6Yrval2H1Q4%3D&reserved=0<https://www.pdflabs.com/tools/pdftk-the-pdf-toolkit/pdftk_server-2.02-mac_osx-10.11-setup.pkg>
>
> 2. to extract the pkg run the following in Terminal
> pkgutil --expand <source path of pkg>  <destinaltion path>
>
> If the source path to the pkg contains spaces then put quotes around the path.
>
> After extraction you'll find the 2 folders lib and bin and some others .The 2 mentioned ones are needed.
>
> Now in LC you can use shell shell function to call the pdftk
>
> Example
> set the folder to "path to the bin folder"
>
> put shell("./pdftk  file1.pdf file2.pdf file3.pdf cat output mynewfile.pdf")
>
>
> would create combine the three file..pdf file into a new one called mynewfile.pdf
>
>
> I wrote this in a hurry, so i might have some error in my explanation. Just ask, if you have problems.
>
> Regards,
>
> Matthias
>
>> Am 25.08.2023 um 15:10 schrieb Eller, Roger via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>
>> It's been a while since I've posted a question here.  Is it possible to use livecode script to merge multiple 1-page PDFs into a multipage PDF without using Acrobat or other 3rd party software?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> ~Roger
>>
>>
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From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Fri Aug 25 17:17:23 2023
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2023 23:17:23 +0200
Subject: OT - Mac Notarization Problem - Desperation setting in
In-Reply-To: <F831C52C-885B-4B0D-A941-857020E0EEE1@buffalo.edu>
References: <65E7119E-1DA1-43DC-B667-F90F7F249CFD@buffalo.edu>
 <9DE2E7AD-8AFF-4DAF-A8E3-3F1063F6C912@livecode.com>
 <6B0CBBC2-5759-4E5F-B9D2-43CFC50D0CC0@buffalo.edu>
 <53FADCF6-21F5-4F09-9F54-983E184F56A0@gmail.com>
 <2C904D9D-C5D8-4E6F-A61F-2650ECCC49FA@elementarysoftware.com>
 <F831C52C-885B-4B0D-A941-857020E0EEE1@buffalo.edu>
Message-ID: <BAB2A19A-961C-49C1-BC13-7A464917169A@m-r-d.de>

Congratulations. Good to know that you could resolve it.

And now you know why wanted to do a remote session to repeat all steps from creating app-specific pw to connecting to apples services. ;)
We could have found out sooner. ;) Unfortunately your security office prohibited the use of Teamviewer. 

Anyway, your are now setup to use Notarytool.

Matthias


> Am 25.08.2023 um 22:34 schrieb Timothy Bleiler via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> I think I’ve solved it.  I’m very grateful to Matthias both for his code signing tool and his personal help with this problem.
> 
> In the end it looks like the trouble was caused by a combination of my limited experience with the process and a lack of helpful feedback from Apple’s online tools at critical points.
> 
> Here’s what happened.
> - I have 2 user accounts on my Mac that use different Apple IDs.
> 
> - Somehow the one I use for the Apple developer account had made my Mac NOT a trusted device for the Apple ID I use for development. I have no idea how this happened.
> You can verify that your device is trusted at appleid.apple.com <http://appleid.apple.com/><http://appleid.apple.com/> for your account under “Devices”.
> 
> - Despite the device not being trusted for the account, the website let me think I’d created an app-specific password. I hadn’t succeed, but my lack of experience prevented me from realizing that the second step of the process is getting the actual password back from Apple and copying it down.  I didn’t get anything, no error message, so in my ignorance I thought the seed string I’d typed in WAS the password. So, I did NOT have an actual app-specific password to use in the NotaryTool commands. This caused all commands dependent on an app-specific password to fail.
> 
> What solved it for me was to go to System Settings, sign out of the Apple account on the mac and sign back in again.
> Then sign back in to appleid.apple.com <http://appleid.apple.com/><http://appleid.apple.com/>, verify that my Mac was a trusted device on my developer account and then create a NEW app-specific password.
> This time I saw the second part when they send the actual password. I think you need to copy this down because I don’t see any way to recover it again later.
> 
> Once I had the new app-specific password and my Mac was a trusted device in my developer account, the notaryTool commands worked without errors.
> 
> It all makes me long for the days when we could easily pass around Hypercard stacks for the fun of it!!
> 
> 

From bleiler at buffalo.edu  Fri Aug 25 17:27:49 2023
From: bleiler at buffalo.edu (Timothy Bleiler)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2023 21:27:49 +0000
Subject: OT - Mac Notarization Problem - Desperation setting in
In-Reply-To: <BAB2A19A-961C-49C1-BC13-7A464917169A@m-r-d.de>
References: <65E7119E-1DA1-43DC-B667-F90F7F249CFD@buffalo.edu>
 <9DE2E7AD-8AFF-4DAF-A8E3-3F1063F6C912@livecode.com>
 <6B0CBBC2-5759-4E5F-B9D2-43CFC50D0CC0@buffalo.edu>
 <53FADCF6-21F5-4F09-9F54-983E184F56A0@gmail.com>
 <2C904D9D-C5D8-4E6F-A61F-2650ECCC49FA@elementarysoftware.com>
 <F831C52C-885B-4B0D-A941-857020E0EEE1@buffalo.edu>
 <BAB2A19A-961C-49C1-BC13-7A464917169A@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <FC63730F-EF60-45AB-BCB6-81C315E6864D@buffalo.edu>

Yes Matthias, I figured you had a good reason so I went back into the account and checked every single thing very carefully.  When I saw that my device was not trusted I figured THAT had to be fixed!!
Then I just followed your suggestion to redo everything and that’s when I learned about how the app-specific password actually works.
I don’t know if I’d have figured it out without your help!!

On Aug 25, 2023, at 5:17 PM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

And now you know why wanted to do a remote session to repeat all steps from creating app-specific pw to connecting to apples services. ;)
We could have found out sooner. ;) Unfortunately your security office prohibited the use of Teamviewer.



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Aug 25 20:07:06 2023
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2023 19:07:06 -0500
Subject: Microsoft app store
Message-ID: <18a2f2a7410.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>

Has anyone submitted a Windows app to the Microsoft store? I have a lead 
and if it pans out I'd like to know if there's a resource available here. 
Nothing is set yet but I'm thinking ahead.

--
Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com




From dochawk at gmail.com  Sat Aug 26 13:44:44 2023
From: dochawk at gmail.com (doc hawk)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2023 10:44:44 -0700
Subject: Merging PDF pages
In-Reply-To: <89e805a0-da4d-4468-ac39-f79d31e2268e@gmail.com>
References: <BN8PR14MB2913ED08DBE6439CD248F041AFE3A@BN8PR14MB2913.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
 <6409CAFB-BDFC-4F1B-9838-5EBAEA51624B@starfirelighting.com>
 <0A45F528-142B-4FCE-A5E4-CC935D256AFB@starfirelighting.com>
 <89e805a0-da4d-4468-ac39-f79d31e2268e@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANQHZSEgq-U9WHDTfb_sUSrT3LqZ3WSQudH04+htiKs30vLPJQ@mail.gmail.com>

richard reasoned

be aware that you will lose one the most valuable things about a PDF
document: the embedded text layer.


Oh, no, there’s something more valuable, which you also lose:  anything
over 72 dpi!

I played with a pdf library for python for a bit, as well as raw pdf,
without much luck.

From paul at researchware.com  Sun Aug 27 15:43:27 2023
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2023 15:43:27 -0400
Subject: Adding and delete a row of data to the Polygrid
Message-ID: <8ca7cfd4-8958-d429-f2a5-325fb49cf388@researchware.com>

I ran into an inconsistency with the Polygrid

The Polygrid property pgDataOfRow returns the data for the row indicated 
by what pgInternalPointer is set to. The pgData of the Polygrid is a 2D 
array of the form array[n][columnName]value and pgDataOfRow returns a 1D 
array of the form array[columnName]value.

Now the properties "AddDataAfter" (or "AddDataBefore") to add a row of 
data to the Polygrid After )or Before) the row pointed to by 
pgInternalPointer expects a 2D array of the same form as pgData or 
array[n][columnName]value.

So, consider the follow use case where you want to remove a row of data 
(the last row of a table) that displays subtotals for each column but 
then later (upon some user action or whatever) you want to add it back

       put the numberOfRows      of widget "rwTableview" into N
       set the pgInternalPointer of widget "rwTableview" to N
       put the pgDataOfRow       of widget "rwTableview" into 
sColSubtotalArray -- save the subtotal row in the form 
sColSubtotalArray[columnName]value, a 1D array
       set the pgDeleteRow       of widget "rwTableview" to N -- delete 
the subtotal row

And now you want to add it back
       put the numberOfRows      of widget "rwTableview" into N
       set the pgInternalPointer of widget "rwTableview" to N
       set the addDataAfter      of widget "rwTableview" to 
sColSubtotalArray

That LAST line (addDataAfter) will fail since the array saved by the 
pgDataOfRow is a 1D array and addDataAfter expects a 2D array. If could 
a simple repeat look through the keys of sColSubtotalArry will let you 
build a new 2D array with 1 row and the columns being the keys or column 
names, so it is not hard to convert, but SHOULD YOU HAVE TO?

You can convert with
       put the number lines of the keys of sColSubtotalArray into N
       repeat for each key tKey in sColSubtotalArray
         put sColSubtotalArray[tKey] into tA[1][tKey]
       end repeat
      -- tA is now in the format that the addDataAfter property of the 
Polygrid requires.

I am not sure this is a BUG. It is certainly an inconsistency and 
changing it would break some current code. On the other hand, the 
Polygrid is part of the widget set for Xavvi/Livecode Create and the 
goal for that tool is to have things be super easy and super intuitive 
for beginners (non-code or low-code app building) so I think beginners 
would find thsi jarring.

So, is it a bug? What does the community think?


From hechris at ziggo.nl  Mon Aug 28 06:02:11 2023
From: hechris at ziggo.nl (Chris Heidecker)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2023 12:02:11 +0200
Subject: Merging PDF pages
In-Reply-To: <BN8PR14MB291302D53A3DEBCC13DA19DCAFE3A@BN8PR14MB2913.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BN8PR14MB2913ED08DBE6439CD248F041AFE3A@BN8PR14MB2913.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
 <AB43A066-941B-4B57-A1DC-311C27E8EFD9@m-r-d.de>
 <37B87F81-5AC8-40C7-AA0D-E518B7688A12@m-r-d.de>
 <BN8PR14MB291302D53A3DEBCC13DA19DCAFE3A@BN8PR14MB2913.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <6B873E55-C762-45C1-A2EF-6CD3E940CAE8@ziggo.nl>

Hi,

While applescript is still around, you could use this script. Works pretty well.

https://www.macscripter.net/t/applescript-objective-c-handler-to-merge-pdf-files/72534

Regards,
Chis Heidecker


use scripting additions
use framework "Foundation"
use framework "Quartz" -- required for PDF stuff

set inFiles to (choose file of type {"pdf"} with prompt "Choose your PDF files:" with multiple selections allowed)
set destPosixPath to POSIX path of (choose file name default name "Combined.pdf" with prompt "Save new PDF to:")
its combineFiles:inFiles savingTo:destPosixPath

on combineFiles:inFiles savingTo:destPosixPath
-- make URL of the first PDF
set inNSURL to current application's class "NSURL"'s fileURLWithPath:(POSIX path of item 1 of inFiles)
-- make PDF document from the URL
set theDoc to current application's PDFDocument's alloc()'s initWithURL:inNSURL
-- loop through the rest
set oldDocCount to theDoc's pageCount()
set inFiles to rest of inFiles
repeat with aFile in inFiles
-- make URL of the next PDF
set inNSURL to (current application's class "NSURL"'s fileURLWithPath:(POSIX path of aFile))
-- make PDF document from the URL
set newDoc to (current application's PDFDocument's alloc()'s initWithURL:inNSURL)
-- loop through, moving pages
set newDocCount to newDoc's pageCount()
repeat with i from 1 to newDocCount
-- get page of old PDF
set thePDFPage to (newDoc's pageAtIndex:(i - 1)) -- zero-based indexes
-- insert the page
(theDoc's insertPage:thePDFPage atIndex:oldDocCount)
set oldDocCount to oldDocCount + 1
end repeat
end repeat
set outNSURL to current application's class "NSURL"'s fileURLWithPath:destPosixPath
-- save the new PDF
(theDoc's writeToURL:outNSURL)
end combineFiles:savingTo:



> Op 25 aug. 2023, om 23:15 heeft Eller, Roger via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> het volgende geschreven:
> 
> Thank you for this and all the details, Matthias.  I will give it a try.
> 
> 
> ~Roger
> 
> ________________________________
> From: use-livecode <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com> on behalf of matthias rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Sent: Friday, August 25, 2023 2:16 PM
> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Cc: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de <matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de>
> Subject: Re: Merging PDF pages
> 
> 
> CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe.
> 
> 
> 
> Just noticed that my steps are missing something.
> So here's version 2 of it.
> 
> 1. download
> https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.pdflabs.com%2Ftools%2Fpdftk-the-pdf-toolkit%2Fpdftk_server-2.02-mac_osx-10.11-setup.pkg&data=05%7C01%7Croger.e.eller%40sealedair.com%7Ce1d5200433404eec54d008dba59780d1%7C2691a2514c384643af0b0c0982f197bd%7C0%7C0%7C638285842350859203%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=tEXnKnbF7xT3GjOMoYKIiM%2Fv3JwkS7pzKRM3op80KMI%3D&reserved=0<https://www.pdflabs.com/tools/pdftk-the-pdf-toolkit/pdftk_server-2.02-mac_osx-10.11-setup.pkg>
> 
> 2. to extract the pkg run the following in Terminal
> pkgutil --expand <source path of pkg>  <destinaltion path>
> 
> If the source path to the pkg contains spaces then put quotes around the path.
> 
> 3. Now open the destination path to which you've extracted the .pkg. There should be another pkg pdftk.pkg
> 
> 4. right click the file pdftk.pkg  and select "show package content"
> 
> 5. Now you should see a file payload. Right click that file and select "open with" and select the archive utility to decompress the file payload.
> 
> 6. After extraction you'll find a new folder "Payload 2"
> 
> 7. open that folder. In that folder you will find the Lib and Bin folder. Copy those folder to another location.
> 
> Now in LC you can use shell shell function to call the pdftk
> 
> Example
> set the folder to "path to the bin folder"
> 
> put shell("./pdftk  file1.pdf file2.pdf file3.pdf cat output mynewfile.pdf")
> 
> 
> would create combine the three file..pdf file into a new one called mynewfile.pdf
> 
> To use pdftk server in your standalone  you just have to include both folders in your standalone.
> 
> 
> On Windows you first have to run the setup of pdftk server. During the installation you can select the folder where pdftk server shall be installed. You then can copy the bin folder from that installation folder
> and use it with your standalone on any other computer without the need to run the setup on that computer.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> Am 25.08.2023 um 17:00 schrieb matthias rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>> 
>> On which OS are you planning to do this?
>> 
>> On Windows and macOS you could make use of PDFTK server from PDFLabs.com <https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fpdflabs.com%2F&data=05%7C01%7Croger.e.eller%40sealedair.com%7Ce1d5200433404eec54d008dba59780d1%7C2691a2514c384643af0b0c0982f197bd%7C0%7C0%7C638285842350859203%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=2KHRMuPPbThuEdstyMStYxuVIocIbRsA9yaSB%2Fw%2F7dI%3D&reserved=0<http://pdflabs.com/>>
>> 
>> On macOS  PDFTK Server normally  has to be installed to use it. But you could follow these steps here to get it working w/o installation.
>> 
>> 1. Do not use the d/l link for pdftk Server from the pdfLabs website. That version will not work on macOS11 and up. Instead download this version of PDFTK Server. Sid Steward created a new version but did not update the d/l link
>> https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.pdflabs.com%2Ftools%2Fpdftk-the-pdf-toolkit%2Fpdftk_server-2.02-mac_osx-10.11-setup.pkg&data=05%7C01%7Croger.e.eller%40sealedair.com%7Ce1d5200433404eec54d008dba59780d1%7C2691a2514c384643af0b0c0982f197bd%7C0%7C0%7C638285842351015442%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=S5yjsFoOrBWQY%2FKUhQbD6WZxAzuRiBOK6Yrval2H1Q4%3D&reserved=0<https://www.pdflabs.com/tools/pdftk-the-pdf-toolkit/pdftk_server-2.02-mac_osx-10.11-setup.pkg>
>> 
>> 2. to extract the pkg run the following in Terminal
>> pkgutil --expand <source path of pkg>  <destinaltion path>
>> 
>> If the source path to the pkg contains spaces then put quotes around the path.
>> 
>> After extraction you'll find the 2 folders lib and bin and some others .The 2 mentioned ones are needed.
>> 
>> Now in LC you can use shell shell function to call the pdftk
>> 
>> Example
>> set the folder to "path to the bin folder"
>> 
>> put shell("./pdftk  file1.pdf file2.pdf file3.pdf cat output mynewfile.pdf")
>> 
>> 
>> would create combine the three file..pdf file into a new one called mynewfile.pdf
>> 
>> 
>> I wrote this in a hurry, so i might have some error in my explanation. Just ask, if you have problems.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Matthias
>> 
>>> Am 25.08.2023 um 15:10 schrieb Eller, Roger via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>> 
>>> It's been a while since I've posted a question here.  Is it possible to use livecode script to merge multiple 1-page PDFs into a multipage PDF without using Acrobat or other 3rd party software?
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> ~Roger
>>> 
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From alex at tweedly.net  Mon Aug 28 07:28:08 2023
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2023 12:28:08 +0100
Subject: Adding and delete a row of data to the Polygrid
In-Reply-To: <8ca7cfd4-8958-d429-f2a5-325fb49cf388@researchware.com>
References: <8ca7cfd4-8958-d429-f2a5-325fb49cf388@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <16800d67-52f1-4163-b3be-0293c2b17318@tweedly.net>


On 27/08/2023 20:43, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
> I ran into an inconsistency with the Polygrid
> ...
> I am not sure this is a BUG. It is certainly an inconsistency and 
> changing it would break some current code. On the other hand, the 
> Polygrid is part of the widget set for Xavvi/Livecode Create and the 
> goal for that tool is to have things be super easy and super intuitive 
> for beginners (non-code or low-code app building) so I think beginners 
> would find thsi jarring.
>
> So, is it a bug? What does the community think?

I'd say it's definitely not a bug.

It may be a "missing feature". There is an asymmetry, in that there are 
ways to

- extract one row

- delete one row

but only

- add multiple rows.

You could make a case for adding a feature to "add a single row". But I 
wouldn't bother,  because it's already so easy - see below.

You suggested converting by

>       repeat for each key tKey in sColSubtotalArray
>         put sColSubtotalArray[tKey] into tA[1][tKey]
>       end repeat
>      -- tA is now in the format that the addDataAfter property of the 
> Polygrid requires. 

The latest LC has the additional feauture of "automatic" sequences; i.e.

   put [ sColSubtotalArray ] into tA

So, in fact you would simply do

>       put the numberOfRows    of widget "rwTableview" into N
>       set the pgInternalPointer of widget "rwTableview" to N
>       set the addDataAfter       of widget "rwTableview" to [ 
> sColSubtotalArray]

Alex.




From paul at researchware.com  Mon Aug 28 08:32:14 2023
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2023 08:32:14 -0400
Subject: Adding and delete a row of data to the Polygrid
In-Reply-To: <16800d67-52f1-4163-b3be-0293c2b17318@tweedly.net>
References: <8ca7cfd4-8958-d429-f2a5-325fb49cf388@researchware.com>
 <16800d67-52f1-4163-b3be-0293c2b17318@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <1e7b2270-e8c3-bd61-ac85-57d7ba9064e5@researchware.com>

On 8/28/2023 7:28 AM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:
> The latest LC has the additional feauture of "automatic" sequences; i.e.

Is that LC 10.0.0dp5 or LC 9.6.9 or 9.6.10rc1, which 'latest' version?


From alex at tweedly.net  Mon Aug 28 09:35:53 2023
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2023 14:35:53 +0100
Subject: Adding and delete a row of data to the Polygrid
In-Reply-To: <1e7b2270-e8c3-bd61-ac85-57d7ba9064e5@researchware.com>
References: <1e7b2270-e8c3-bd61-ac85-57d7ba9064e5@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <3E7422D0-0C09-4EA0-9A62-85F90EE8851A@tweedly.net>

Sorry, I meant 10.x

In 9.x you could do

  put sColSubtotalArray  into tA[1]
  set the addDataAfter  of widget         "rwTableview" to tA

Alex 

Sent from my iPhone

> On 28 Aug 2023, at 13:33, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> On 8/28/2023 7:28 AM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:
>> The latest LC has the additional feauture of "automatic" sequences; i.e.
> 
> Is that LC 10.0.0dp5 or LC 9.6.9 or 9.6.10rc1, which 'latest' version?
> 
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From paul at researchware.com  Mon Aug 28 11:30:46 2023
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2023 11:30:46 -0400
Subject: Adding and delete a row of data to the Polygrid
In-Reply-To: <3E7422D0-0C09-4EA0-9A62-85F90EE8851A@tweedly.net>
References: <1e7b2270-e8c3-bd61-ac85-57d7ba9064e5@researchware.com>
 <3E7422D0-0C09-4EA0-9A62-85F90EE8851A@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <964690c6-e1f1-2bff-f967-b009566c041f@researchware.com>

Alex,

Thank you.

On 8/28/2023 9:35 AM, Alex Tweedly wrote:
> Sorry, I meant 10.x
>
> In 9.x you could do
>
>    put sColSubtotalArray  into tA[1]
>    set the addDataAfter  of widget         "rwTableview" to tA
>
> Alex
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On 28 Aug 2023, at 13:33, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> On 8/28/2023 7:28 AM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:
>>> The latest LC has the additional feauture of "automatic" sequences; i.e.
>> Is that LC 10.0.0dp5 or LC 9.6.9 or 9.6.10rc1, which 'latest' version?
>>
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From marksmithhfx at gmail.com  Mon Aug 28 13:21:51 2023
From: marksmithhfx at gmail.com (Mark Smith)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2023 18:21:51 +0100
Subject: OT - Mac Notarization Problem - Desperation setting in
In-Reply-To: <F831C52C-885B-4B0D-A941-857020E0EEE1@buffalo.edu>
References: <65E7119E-1DA1-43DC-B667-F90F7F249CFD@buffalo.edu>
 <9DE2E7AD-8AFF-4DAF-A8E3-3F1063F6C912@livecode.com>
 <6B0CBBC2-5759-4E5F-B9D2-43CFC50D0CC0@buffalo.edu>
 <53FADCF6-21F5-4F09-9F54-983E184F56A0@gmail.com>
 <2C904D9D-C5D8-4E6F-A61F-2650ECCC49FA@elementarysoftware.com>
 <F831C52C-885B-4B0D-A941-857020E0EEE1@buffalo.edu>
Message-ID: <F13D887B-D2D1-472E-91BE-B1B0DED50F57@gmail.com>

Thanks for the excellent description of the problem Tim. It may help in debugging my own “notarisation” issues in the future (tucked away for future reference)!!

> 
> It all makes me long for the days when we could easily pass around Hypercard stacks for the fun of it!!


And boy can I relate to that! If it wasn’t for Matthias….

Mark





From panos.merakos at livecode.com  Tue Aug 29 11:09:10 2023
From: panos.merakos at livecode.com (panagiotis merakos)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2023 18:09:10 +0300
Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq8O1XnrAJViTPtyeWcWT6Nu+UJfbye_m7DK0U_cVtUyaw@mail.gmail.com>

Dear list members,

We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.10 STABLE.

LiveCode 9.6.10 STABLE comes with more than 20 bugfixes, including support
for Android API 33, which will be a requirement for submitting new apps to
the Google Play Store as of the 31st of August.

You can find more details on the bug fixes and improvements of this new
release here:

https://livecode.com/livecode-9-6-10-stable-released/

You can find the release in your LiveCode account area or get it via the
automatic updater.

Enjoy!

Kind regards
The LiveCode Team

--

From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Tue Aug 29 11:17:48 2023
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2023 17:17:48 +0200
Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq8O1XnrAJViTPtyeWcWT6Nu+UJfbye_m7DK0U_cVtUyaw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+JfEq8O1XnrAJViTPtyeWcWT6Nu+UJfbye_m7DK0U_cVtUyaw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3B21678A-A103-4E61-A337-BAD8753D30F1@m-r-d.de>

And still Livecode Server is not working with Internet Information Server (IIS). :(

> Am 29.08.2023 um 17:09 schrieb panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Dear list members,
> 
> We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.10 STABLE.
> 
> LiveCode 9.6.10 STABLE comes with more than 20 bugfixes, including support
> for Android API 33, which will be a requirement for submitting new apps to
> the Google Play Store as of the 31st of August.
> 
> You can find more details on the bug fixes and improvements of this new
> release here:
> 
> https://livecode.com/livecode-9-6-10-stable-released/
> 
> You can find the release in your LiveCode account area or get it via the
> automatic updater.
> 
> Enjoy!
> 
> Kind regards
> The LiveCode Team
> 
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From dan at clearvisiontech.com  Tue Aug 29 12:33:38 2023
From: dan at clearvisiontech.com (Dan Friedman)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2023 16:33:38 +0000
Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq8O1XnrAJViTPtyeWcWT6Nu+UJfbye_m7DK0U_cVtUyaw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+JfEq8O1XnrAJViTPtyeWcWT6Nu+UJfbye_m7DK0U_cVtUyaw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DM6PR12MB27161B15F2A38EF3EA973273B9E7A@DM6PR12MB2716.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>

Any word on 10.0.0?   Biting nails!!

-Dan


From: use-livecode <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com> on behalf of panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Date: Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 8:10 AM
To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Cc: panagiotis merakos <panos.merakos at livecode.com>
Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10
Dear list members,

We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.10 STABLE.

LiveCode 9.6.10 STABLE comes with more than 20 bugfixes, including support
for Android API 33, which will be a requirement for submitting new apps to
the Google Play Store as of the 31st of August.

You can find more details on the bug fixes and improvements of this new
release here:

https://livecode.com/livecode-9-6-10-stable-released/

You can find the release in your LiveCode account area or get it via the
automatic updater.

Enjoy!

Kind regards
The LiveCode Team

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From merakosp at gmail.com  Tue Aug 29 12:41:56 2023
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis m)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2023 19:41:56 +0300
Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10
In-Reply-To: <DM6PR12MB27161B15F2A38EF3EA973273B9E7A@DM6PR12MB2716.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CA+JfEq8O1XnrAJViTPtyeWcWT6Nu+UJfbye_m7DK0U_cVtUyaw@mail.gmail.com>
 <DM6PR12MB27161B15F2A38EF3EA973273B9E7A@DM6PR12MB2716.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq8pjYcNsDROd-OETqKvmNWVoEkj1xwk4dnFb9B0NvnOgw@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all,

@matthias
I am sorry for the frustration - I know you are very eager to get this
fixed. But this was not planned for LC 9.6.10 anyway.

@Dan
The release of LC 10 DP-6 is in the final stages of testing and it is
expected to appear this week.

Kind regards,
Panos
--

On Tue, 29 Aug 2023 at 19:34, Dan Friedman via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Any word on 10.0.0?   Biting nails!!
>
> -Dan
>
>
> From: use-livecode <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com> on behalf of
> panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Date: Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 8:10 AM
> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Cc: panagiotis merakos <panos.merakos at livecode.com>
> Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10
> Dear list members,
>
> We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.10 STABLE.
>
> LiveCode 9.6.10 STABLE comes with more than 20 bugfixes, including support
> for Android API 33, which will be a requirement for submitting new apps to
> the Google Play Store as of the 31st of August.
>
> You can find more details on the bug fixes and improvements of this new
> release here:
>
> https://livecode.com/livecode-9-6-10-stable-released/
>
> You can find the release in your LiveCode account area or get it via the
> automatic updater.
>
> Enjoy!
>
> Kind regards
> The LiveCode Team
>
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From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Tue Aug 29 13:00:04 2023
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2023 19:00:04 +0200
Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq8pjYcNsDROd-OETqKvmNWVoEkj1xwk4dnFb9B0NvnOgw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+JfEq8O1XnrAJViTPtyeWcWT6Nu+UJfbye_m7DK0U_cVtUyaw@mail.gmail.com>
 <DM6PR12MB27161B15F2A38EF3EA973273B9E7A@DM6PR12MB2716.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
 <CA+JfEq8pjYcNsDROd-OETqKvmNWVoEkj1xwk4dnFb9B0NvnOgw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <847C90D7-F63F-4CE8-979E-9B574A31BE81@m-r-d.de>

Hello Panos,
so for which version is it planned, if at all?

Regards,
Matthias

> Am 29.08.2023 um 18:41 schrieb panagiotis m via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> @matthias
> I am sorry for the frustration - I know you are very eager to get this
> fixed. But this was not planned for LC 9.6.10 anyway.
> 
> @Dan
> The release of LC 10 DP-6 is in the final stages of testing and it is
> expected to appear this week.
> 
> Kind regards,
> Panos
> --
> 
> On Tue, 29 Aug 2023 at 19:34, Dan Friedman via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> Any word on 10.0.0?   Biting nails!!
>> 
>> -Dan
>> 
>> 
>> From: use-livecode <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com> on behalf of
>> panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
>> Date: Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 8:10 AM
>> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
>> Cc: panagiotis merakos <panos.merakos at livecode.com>
>> Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10
>> Dear list members,
>> 
>> We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.10 STABLE.
>> 
>> LiveCode 9.6.10 STABLE comes with more than 20 bugfixes, including support
>> for Android API 33, which will be a requirement for submitting new apps to
>> the Google Play Store as of the 31st of August.
>> 
>> You can find more details on the bug fixes and improvements of this new
>> release here:
>> 
>> https://livecode.com/livecode-9-6-10-stable-released/
>> 
>> You can find the release in your LiveCode account area or get it via the
>> automatic updater.
>> 
>> Enjoy!
>> 
>> Kind regards
>> The LiveCode Team
>> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Aug 29 13:16:58 2023
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2023 17:16:58 +0000
Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10
In-Reply-To: <847C90D7-F63F-4CE8-979E-9B574A31BE81@m-r-d.de>
References: <CA+JfEq8O1XnrAJViTPtyeWcWT6Nu+UJfbye_m7DK0U_cVtUyaw@mail.gmail.com>
 <DM6PR12MB27161B15F2A38EF3EA973273B9E7A@DM6PR12MB2716.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
 <CA+JfEq8pjYcNsDROd-OETqKvmNWVoEkj1xwk4dnFb9B0NvnOgw@mail.gmail.com>
 <847C90D7-F63F-4CE8-979E-9B574A31BE81@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <DC4B65B1-6728-4749-BD0C-820BE0955F6B@iotecdigital.com>

I think he said in that email that v10 is expected to be released this week.

Bob S


On Aug 29, 2023, at 10:00 AM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

Hello Panos,
so for which version is it planned, if at all?

Regards,
Matthias


From merakosp at gmail.com  Tue Aug 29 13:20:51 2023
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis m)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2023 20:20:51 +0300
Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10
In-Reply-To: <DC4B65B1-6728-4749-BD0C-820BE0955F6B@iotecdigital.com>
References: <CA+JfEq8O1XnrAJViTPtyeWcWT6Nu+UJfbye_m7DK0U_cVtUyaw@mail.gmail.com>
 <DM6PR12MB27161B15F2A38EF3EA973273B9E7A@DM6PR12MB2716.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
 <CA+JfEq8pjYcNsDROd-OETqKvmNWVoEkj1xwk4dnFb9B0NvnOgw@mail.gmail.com>
 <847C90D7-F63F-4CE8-979E-9B574A31BE81@m-r-d.de>
 <DC4B65B1-6728-4749-BD0C-820BE0955F6B@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq-QYCsZQKhkzHkOVNRseHohoh0VBEr9J-r82Zj0KgN-jQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Matthias,

I am afraid I cannot give an ETA on this. All I know is it was not planned
for 9.6.10 (neither for 10 DP-6).

Kind regards,
Panos
--

On Tue, 29 Aug 2023 at 20:17, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I think he said in that email that v10 is expected to be released this
> week.
>
> Bob S
>
>
> On Aug 29, 2023, at 10:00 AM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> Hello Panos,
> so for which version is it planned, if at all?
>
> Regards,
> Matthias
>
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From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Tue Aug 29 13:29:14 2023
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2023 19:29:14 +0200
Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10
In-Reply-To: <DC4B65B1-6728-4749-BD0C-820BE0955F6B@iotecdigital.com>
References: <CA+JfEq8O1XnrAJViTPtyeWcWT6Nu+UJfbye_m7DK0U_cVtUyaw@mail.gmail.com>
 <DM6PR12MB27161B15F2A38EF3EA973273B9E7A@DM6PR12MB2716.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
 <CA+JfEq8pjYcNsDROd-OETqKvmNWVoEkj1xwk4dnFb9B0NvnOgw@mail.gmail.com>
 <847C90D7-F63F-4CE8-979E-9B574A31BE81@m-r-d.de>
 <DC4B65B1-6728-4749-BD0C-820BE0955F6B@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <BA6522B2-ED3D-447E-818E-EFCDD7B8F68E@m-r-d.de>

Hi Bob,

i did not mean when an update for LC 10 is coming, but for what version the fix is planned for Livecode Server.
Currently LC Server 7 and up do not work with IIS on Windows.
You have to install Apache, although Windows has a built-in web server.



> Am 29.08.2023 um 19:16 schrieb Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> I think he said in that email that v10 is expected to be released this week.
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
> On Aug 29, 2023, at 10:00 AM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello Panos,
> so for which version is it planned, if at all?
> 
> Regards,
> Matthias
> 
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From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Tue Aug 29 13:44:59 2023
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2023 13:44:59 -0400
Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10
In-Reply-To: <BA6522B2-ED3D-447E-818E-EFCDD7B8F68E@m-r-d.de>
References: <CA+JfEq8O1XnrAJViTPtyeWcWT6Nu+UJfbye_m7DK0U_cVtUyaw@mail.gmail.com>
 <DM6PR12MB27161B15F2A38EF3EA973273B9E7A@DM6PR12MB2716.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
 <CA+JfEq8pjYcNsDROd-OETqKvmNWVoEkj1xwk4dnFb9B0NvnOgw@mail.gmail.com>
 <847C90D7-F63F-4CE8-979E-9B574A31BE81@m-r-d.de>
 <DC4B65B1-6728-4749-BD0C-820BE0955F6B@iotecdigital.com>
 <BA6522B2-ED3D-447E-818E-EFCDD7B8F68E@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <CADCoycMpKBJrCxNmD5bCop-X+XfFYMZw80exR_nU0B2jYa7DsA@mail.gmail.com>

No XCode version update? MacOS updater keeps harassing me to update CLT to
14.3

On Tue, Aug 29, 2023 at 1:30 PM matthias rebbe via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi Bob,
>
> i did not mean when an update for LC 10 is coming, but for what version
> the fix is planned for Livecode Server.
> Currently LC Server 7 and up do not work with IIS on Windows.
> You have to install Apache, although Windows has a built-in web server.
>
>
>
> > Am 29.08.2023 um 19:16 schrieb Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> >
> > I think he said in that email that v10 is expected to be released this
> week.
> >
> > Bob S
> >
> >
> > On Aug 29, 2023, at 10:00 AM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Panos,
> > so for which version is it planned, if at all?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Matthias
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
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>
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On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."

From merakosp at gmail.com  Tue Aug 29 14:16:26 2023
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis m)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2023 21:16:26 +0300
Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycMpKBJrCxNmD5bCop-X+XfFYMZw80exR_nU0B2jYa7DsA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+JfEq8O1XnrAJViTPtyeWcWT6Nu+UJfbye_m7DK0U_cVtUyaw@mail.gmail.com>
 <DM6PR12MB27161B15F2A38EF3EA973273B9E7A@DM6PR12MB2716.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
 <CA+JfEq8pjYcNsDROd-OETqKvmNWVoEkj1xwk4dnFb9B0NvnOgw@mail.gmail.com>
 <847C90D7-F63F-4CE8-979E-9B574A31BE81@m-r-d.de>
 <DC4B65B1-6728-4749-BD0C-820BE0955F6B@iotecdigital.com>
 <BA6522B2-ED3D-447E-818E-EFCDD7B8F68E@m-r-d.de>
 <CADCoycMpKBJrCxNmD5bCop-X+XfFYMZw80exR_nU0B2jYa7DsA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq-Q2QSFLV=J9GsNBzUku-9-K2X+Dnq3J39pACo-Q7fang@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Mike,

I guess we will update the supported xcode version once macOS Sonoma and/or
Xcode 15 - iOS 17 SDK are publicly available, so probably in LC 9.6.11 rc-1

I think you can update your CLT to 14.3, but make sure you still keep the
current supported xcode version

Kind regards,
Panos

On Tue, 29 Aug 2023, 20:46 Mike Kerner via use-livecode, <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> No XCode version update? MacOS updater keeps harassing me to update CLT to
> 14.3
>
> On Tue, Aug 29, 2023 at 1:30 PM matthias rebbe via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Bob,
> >
> > i did not mean when an update for LC 10 is coming, but for what version
> > the fix is planned for Livecode Server.
> > Currently LC Server 7 and up do not work with IIS on Windows.
> > You have to install Apache, although Windows has a built-in web server.
> >
> >
> >
> > > Am 29.08.2023 um 19:16 schrieb Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> > >
> > > I think he said in that email that v10 is expected to be released this
> > week.
> > >
> > > Bob S
> > >
> > >
> > > On Aug 29, 2023, at 10:00 AM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello Panos,
> > > so for which version is it planned, if at all?
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Matthias
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > use-livecode mailing list
> > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > subscription preferences:
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> >
> >
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>
> --
> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>    and did a little diving.
> And God said, "This is good."
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From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Tue Aug 29 14:46:38 2023
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2023 14:46:38 -0400
Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq-Q2QSFLV=J9GsNBzUku-9-K2X+Dnq3J39pACo-Q7fang@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+JfEq8O1XnrAJViTPtyeWcWT6Nu+UJfbye_m7DK0U_cVtUyaw@mail.gmail.com>
 <DM6PR12MB27161B15F2A38EF3EA973273B9E7A@DM6PR12MB2716.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
 <CA+JfEq8pjYcNsDROd-OETqKvmNWVoEkj1xwk4dnFb9B0NvnOgw@mail.gmail.com>
 <847C90D7-F63F-4CE8-979E-9B574A31BE81@m-r-d.de>
 <DC4B65B1-6728-4749-BD0C-820BE0955F6B@iotecdigital.com>
 <BA6522B2-ED3D-447E-818E-EFCDD7B8F68E@m-r-d.de>
 <CADCoycMpKBJrCxNmD5bCop-X+XfFYMZw80exR_nU0B2jYa7DsA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CA+JfEq-Q2QSFLV=J9GsNBzUku-9-K2X+Dnq3J39pACo-Q7fang@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycPfHzoT_B0aFYOxiFdUS78pNt6oqunJPmPZgZGW1Ld4UQ@mail.gmail.com>

i'm still running ventura, but software update is constantly trying to
update CLT, even though i downloaded and installed xcode manually, not via
appstore

On Tue, Aug 29, 2023 at 2:17 PM panagiotis m via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hello Mike,
>
> I guess we will update the supported xcode version once macOS Sonoma and/or
> Xcode 15 - iOS 17 SDK are publicly available, so probably in LC 9.6.11 rc-1
>
> I think you can update your CLT to 14.3, but make sure you still keep the
> current supported xcode version
>
> Kind regards,
> Panos
>
> On Tue, 29 Aug 2023, 20:46 Mike Kerner via use-livecode, <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > No XCode version update? MacOS updater keeps harassing me to update CLT
> to
> > 14.3
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 29, 2023 at 1:30 PM matthias rebbe via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Bob,
> > >
> > > i did not mean when an update for LC 10 is coming, but for what version
> > > the fix is planned for Livecode Server.
> > > Currently LC Server 7 and up do not work with IIS on Windows.
> > > You have to install Apache, although Windows has a built-in web server.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Am 29.08.2023 um 19:16 schrieb Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
> > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> > > >
> > > > I think he said in that email that v10 is expected to be released
> this
> > > week.
> > > >
> > > > Bob S
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Aug 29, 2023, at 10:00 AM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <
> > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hello Panos,
> > > > so for which version is it planned, if at all?
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Matthias
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > use-livecode mailing list
> > > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > > subscription preferences:
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> > >
> > >
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> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> > On the second day, God created the oceans.
> > On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
> >    and did a little diving.
> > And God said, "This is good."
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."

From dan at clearvisiontech.com  Tue Aug 29 17:39:43 2023
From: dan at clearvisiontech.com (Dan Friedman)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2023 21:39:43 +0000
Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq8pjYcNsDROd-OETqKvmNWVoEkj1xwk4dnFb9B0NvnOgw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+JfEq8O1XnrAJViTPtyeWcWT6Nu+UJfbye_m7DK0U_cVtUyaw@mail.gmail.com>
 <DM6PR12MB27161B15F2A38EF3EA973273B9E7A@DM6PR12MB2716.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
 <CA+JfEq8pjYcNsDROd-OETqKvmNWVoEkj1xwk4dnFb9B0NvnOgw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DM6PR12MB2716A435D29602CFDADEBC8EB9E7A@DM6PR12MB2716.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>

Panos,

// The release of LC 10 DP-6 is in the final stages of testing and it is expected to appear this week.

As always, thanks for the update.  Appreciate it!

-Dan


From: use-livecode <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com> on behalf of panagiotis m via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Date: Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 9:43 AM
To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Cc: panagiotis m <merakosp at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10
Hello all,

@matthias
I am sorry for the frustration - I know you are very eager to get this
fixed. But this was not planned for LC 9.6.10 anyway.

@Dan
The release of LC 10 DP-6 is in the final stages of testing and it is
expected to appear this week.

Kind regards,
Panos
--

On Tue, 29 Aug 2023 at 19:34, Dan Friedman via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Any word on 10.0.0?   Biting nails!!
>
> -Dan
>
>
> From: use-livecode <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com> on behalf of
> panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Date: Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 8:10 AM
> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Cc: panagiotis merakos <panos.merakos at livecode.com>
> Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10
> Dear list members,
>
> We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.10 STABLE.
>
> LiveCode 9.6.10 STABLE comes with more than 20 bugfixes, including support
> for Android API 33, which will be a requirement for submitting new apps to
> the Google Play Store as of the 31st of August.
>
> You can find more details on the bug fixes and improvements of this new
> release here:
>
> https://livecode.com/livecode-9-6-10-stable-released/
>
> You can find the release in your LiveCode account area or get it via the
> automatic updater.
>
> Enjoy!
>
> Kind regards
> The LiveCode Team
>
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From bdrunrev at gmail.com  Wed Aug 30 02:05:44 2023
From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2023 07:05:44 +0100
Subject: Charts widget.
In-Reply-To: <62253d2d-a416-a334-ccec-acd5fa3d9176@tweedly.net>
References: <62253d2d-a416-a334-ccec-acd5fa3d9176@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <CA+O+R-HGjf8X6mhPr5+mLL-92e+davgb+y4RQoD+ovr6+_Zf=Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Alex

I've started using this, quite pleased with what it can do in terms of
presentation.  But it seems to me (going off the Dictionary and my own
tests) that it doesn't receive any mouse messages.  So clicking on any of
the displayed chart components has no effect.

I haven't yet investigated setting jsonoptions (as the designated way to
invoke more of the chartsjs functionality).

Regards
Bernard

On Sun, Sep 25, 2022 at 9:55 PM Alex Tweedly via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Anyone using this widget ?
>
> Is there some documentation (other than the obvious dictionary entries)
> about how to do different kinds of chart ?
>
> In the last 4-6 months, I've done 3 or 4 little personal projects where
> I wanted to create a chart, but I've not been able to figure out how to
> use the charts widget to do time-based charts.
>
> What I mean is, e.g., create a chart for the following data ....
>
> 2022-02-01    100
> 2022-02-04    500
> 2022-02-05    525
> 2022-02-17    900
> ....
>
> Obviously, the dates along the X-axis should be spaced properly
> according to their data value, not equally spaced and simply labelled.
>
> Looking at the charts.js documentation, it tells me (or rather, fails to
> tell me, since I can't understand it) that I need to define an 'adapter'
> and shows some sample javascript. I don't really understand how to do it
> simply in javascript - far less how I could use that in the widget.
>
> Can anyone give me a clue or a pointer ?
>
>

From dfe4 at cornell.edu  Wed Aug 30 12:35:42 2023
From: dfe4 at cornell.edu (David Epstein)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2023 12:35:42 -0400
Subject: Pasting text and images together?
Message-ID: <2A778021-978E-46AC-A0F1-18BFE597B5EB@cornell.edu>

From a web browser, or from programs like Word or (Apple) Notes, it is possible to copy to the clipboard a single selection that includes both text and images.
Is there any way to paste all of this information to LiveCode—for example, placing the text in fields and the imageData in image objects, or showing everything in one field by setting the imageSource of some characters in that field?
After having copied such a collection of text and image information, the keys to the fullClipboardData seem only to include text and styled text options, with no indication of the images that are included on the clipboard.

David Epstein

From neville.smythe at optusnet.com.au  Thu Aug 31 00:11:56 2023
From: neville.smythe at optusnet.com.au (Neville Smythe)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2023 14:11:56 +1000
Subject: Sort bug
Message-ID: <64C21C5C-EC88-466B-A2CE-CA55D4EBC7CC@optusnet.com.au>

There is a bug in sorting a container using a function, as in

sort lines tVariable by myVal(each)

where the function is for example

function myVal pStr
    return item 1 of pStr + item 2 of pStr
end myval

If the function myVal encounters a run-time error (in the example if one of the items is not a number) the sort command fails silently: the script exits at that code line and the user is unaware that the sort (and the rest of the handler) were not executed.

If you sort directly with

sort lines tVariable by (item 1 of pStr + item 2 of pStr)

the handler will throw an error dialog, as expected.

QC has confirmed this is a bug ( bug 24321 <https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=24321> ) that evidently has been around for a long time.

Neville Smythe




From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Thu Aug 31 02:41:47 2023
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2023 09:41:47 +0300
Subject: Pasting text and images together?
In-Reply-To: <2A778021-978E-46AC-A0F1-18BFE597B5EB@cornell.edu>
References: <2A778021-978E-46AC-A0F1-18BFE597B5EB@cornell.edu>
Message-ID: <d44ba072-1cf4-40df-a802-45cc5345921b@gmail.com>

As far as I know image data cannot be pasted into LC.

I just tried pasting a banal image of a cat from an Ecosia search into a 
stack directly, and into an image, to no avail.

Best, Richmond.

On 30.08.23 19:35, David Epstein via use-livecode wrote:
>  From a web browser, or from programs like Word or (Apple) Notes, it is possible to copy to the clipboard a single selection that includes both text and images.
> Is there any way to paste all of this information to LiveCodefor example, placing the text in fields and the imageData in image objects, or showing everything in one field by setting the imageSource of some characters in that field?
> After having copied such a collection of text and image information, the keys to the fullClipboardData seem only to include text and styled text options, with no indication of the images that are included on the clipboard.
>
> David Epstein
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From panos.merakos at livecode.com  Thu Aug 31 09:48:29 2023
From: panos.merakos at livecode.com (panagiotis merakos)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2023 16:48:29 +0300
Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 10.0.0 DP-6
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq9-P2P0-wr09v7FBh9jLD=aEvT00sJZsE-Z6FygOzndNA@mail.gmail.com>

Dear list members,

We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 10.0.0 DP-6.

LiveCode 10.0.0 DP-6 comes with more than 30 bugfixes and exciting new
features.

You can find more details on this new release here:

https://livecode.com/livecode-10-dp-6-web-fonts-and-api-33/

You can find the release in your LiveCode account area or get it via the
automatic updater.

Enjoy!

Kind regards
The LiveCode Team

From roger.e.eller at sealedair.com  Thu Aug 31 10:52:54 2023
From: roger.e.eller at sealedair.com (Eller, Roger)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2023 14:52:54 +0000
Subject: HTML5 failure / javascript console
Message-ID: <BN8PR14MB2913C5C41722881CA0B1E684AFE5A@BN8PR14MB2913.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>

My first try of saving a simple stack as HTML5... When it tries to run, it says to check the Javascropt console, which shows the following.  As a LiveCode Script only developer, none of this gives me a clue.  This is on Windows, using Chrome.

Failed to load resource: the server responded with a status of 404 (Not Found)
TEST_STACK.html:155 run() called, but dependencies remain, so not running
printErr @ TEST_STACK.html:155
standalone-9.6.10.js:48 a problem seems to have happened with Module.memoryInitializerRequest, status: 404, retrying standalone-9.6.10.html.mem
useRequest @ standalone-9.6.10.js:48
standalone-9.6.10.html.mem:1     Failed to load resource: the server responded with a status of 404 (Not Found)
standalone-9.6.10.js:48 Uncaught could not load memory initializer standalone-9.6.10.html.mem
TEST_STACK.html:155 still waiting on run dependencies:
printErr @ TEST_STACK.html:155
(anonymous) @ standalone-9.6.10.js:1
TEST_STACK.html:155 dependency: memory initializer
printErr @ TEST_STACK.html:155
(anonymous) @ standalone-9.6.10.js:1
TEST_STACK.html:155 (end of list)



From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Aug 31 11:06:19 2023
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2023 15:06:19 +0000
Subject: Sort bug
In-Reply-To: <64C21C5C-EC88-466B-A2CE-CA55D4EBC7CC@optusnet.com.au>
References: <64C21C5C-EC88-466B-A2CE-CA55D4EBC7CC@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <CDE10EAC-2E00-4C62-92D8-336F1C2F9C76@iotecdigital.com>

I think you have to append “of each”. Sort lines of tVar by item 3 of each

Bob S


> On Aug 30, 2023, at 9:11 PM, Neville Smythe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> There is a bug in sorting a container using a function, as in
> 
> sort lines tVariable by myVal(each)
> 
> where the function is for example
> 
> function myVal pStr
>    return item 1 of pStr + item 2 of pStr
> end myval
> 
> If the function myVal encounters a run-time error (in the example if one of the items is not a number) the sort command fails silently: the script exits at that code line and the user is unaware that the sort (and the rest of the handler) were not executed.
> 
> If you sort directly with
> 
> sort lines tVariable by (item 1 of pStr + item 2 of pStr)
> 
> the handler will throw an error dialog, as expected.
> 
> QC has confirmed this is a bug ( bug 24321 <https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=24321> ) that evidently has been around for a long time.
> 
> Neville Smythe
> 
> 
> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Aug 31 11:25:14 2023
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2023 15:25:14 +0000
Subject: Sort bug
In-Reply-To: <CDE10EAC-2E00-4C62-92D8-336F1C2F9C76@iotecdigital.com>
References: <64C21C5C-EC88-466B-A2CE-CA55D4EBC7CC@optusnet.com.au>
 <CDE10EAC-2E00-4C62-92D8-336F1C2F9C76@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <A0E5418F-4990-4402-B9AD-6901B8D62ED7@iotecdigital.com>

To be more clear, the argument to “by” needs to be a chunk statement, not a value, followed by “of each”. Your function *might* work if you returned the chunk expression instead of the actual value the chunk resolves to. 

But why? I am not sure what the myVal() function accomplishes. Does the chunk expression change on the fly? Even so, pStr needs to be a list of numbers because you are adding them together, so it won’t return a chunk expression. 

Your method as it stands would resolve to “sort lines tVariable by 3” when it needs to resolve to something like “sort lines of tVariable by item 3 of each”. 

Further it looks like you are sorting by multiple items. You cannot do that in one statement. Instead run multiple sorts, by the last element first, down to the first element. 

Bob S


> On Aug 31, 2023, at 8:06 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I think you have to append “of each”. Sort lines of tVar by item 3 of each
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Aug 30, 2023, at 9:11 PM, Neville Smythe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> There is a bug in sorting a container using a function, as in
>> 
>> sort lines tVariable by myVal(each)
>> 
>> where the function is for example
>> 
>> function myVal pStr
>>   return item 1 of pStr + item 2 of pStr
>> end myval
>> 
>> If the function myVal encounters a run-time error (in the example if one of the items is not a number) the sort command fails silently: the script exits at that code line and the user is unaware that the sort (and the rest of the handler) were not executed.
>> 
>> If you sort directly with
>> 
>> sort lines tVariable by (item 1 of pStr + item 2 of pStr)
>> 
>> the handler will throw an error dialog, as expected.
>> 
>> QC has confirmed this is a bug ( bug 24321 <https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=24321> ) that evidently has been around for a long time.
>> 
>> Neville Smythe
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From dan at clearvisiontech.com  Thu Aug 31 18:36:47 2023
From: dan at clearvisiontech.com (Dan Friedman)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2023 22:36:47 +0000
Subject: Shutdown on Android
Message-ID: <DM6PR12MB27160F410BC78B179E4715B7B9E5A@DM6PR12MB2716.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>

Does the shutdown message (or shutdownRequest message) work on Android?   I am playing a song using androidStartAudioPlayingInBackground.   However, if the app is closed (swiping up to exit it), then the audio continues to play.  So, I added an androidStopAudioPlayingInBackground command in the shutdown message to stop playing the audio.  But doesn’t seem to work – audio continues to play.

Any thoughts?

-Dan


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Aug 31 18:38:17 2023
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2023 17:38:17 -0500
Subject: Sort bug
In-Reply-To: <A0E5418F-4990-4402-B9AD-6901B8D62ED7@iotecdigital.com>
References: <64C21C5C-EC88-466B-A2CE-CA55D4EBC7CC@optusnet.com.au>
 <CDE10EAC-2E00-4C62-92D8-336F1C2F9C76@iotecdigital.com>
 <A0E5418F-4990-4402-B9AD-6901B8D62ED7@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <5c09a840-a483-e087-ad59-16a8802a28e4@hyperactivesw.com>

Actually, the syntax is correct. It uses a custom sort function. The function call includes the 
"each" which means it passes the correct parameter to the custom function, which then acts on 
it and sends the result back to the calling handler for sorting. It's a nice way to customize 
the built-in sort. You can do some pretty extravagant things with it.


On 8/31/23 10:25 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
> To be more clear, the argument to “by” needs to be a chunk statement, not a value, followed by “of each”. Your function *might* work if you returned the chunk expression instead of the actual value the chunk resolves to.
> 
> But why? I am not sure what the myVal() function accomplishes. Does the chunk expression change on the fly? Even so, pStr needs to be a list of numbers because you are adding them together, so it won’t return a chunk expression.
> 
> Your method as it stands would resolve to “sort lines tVariable by 3” when it needs to resolve to something like “sort lines of tVariable by item 3 of each”.
> 
> Further it looks like you are sorting by multiple items. You cannot do that in one statement. Instead run multiple sorts, by the last element first, down to the first element.
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Aug 31, 2023, at 8:06 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> I think you have to append “of each”. Sort lines of tVar by item 3 of each
>>
>> Bob S
>>
>>
>>> On Aug 30, 2023, at 9:11 PM, Neville Smythe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> There is a bug in sorting a container using a function, as in
>>>
>>> sort lines tVariable by myVal(each)
>>>
>>> where the function is for example
>>>
>>> function myVal pStr
>>>    return item 1 of pStr + item 2 of pStr
>>> end myval
>>>
>>> If the function myVal encounters a run-time error (in the example if one of the items is not a number) the sort command fails silently: the script exits at that code line and the user is unaware that the sort (and the rest of the handler) were not executed.
>>>
>>> If you sort directly with
>>>
>>> sort lines tVariable by (item 1 of pStr + item 2 of pStr)
>>>
>>> the handler will throw an error dialog, as expected.
>>>
>>> QC has confirmed this is a bug ( bug 24321 <https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=24321> ) that evidently has been around for a long time.
>>>
>>> Neville Smythe
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Aug 31 19:37:40 2023
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2023 23:37:40 +0000
Subject: Sort bug
In-Reply-To: <5c09a840-a483-e087-ad59-16a8802a28e4@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <64C21C5C-EC88-466B-A2CE-CA55D4EBC7CC@optusnet.com.au>
 <CDE10EAC-2E00-4C62-92D8-336F1C2F9C76@iotecdigital.com>
 <A0E5418F-4990-4402-B9AD-6901B8D62ED7@iotecdigital.com>
 <5c09a840-a483-e087-ad59-16a8802a28e4@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <3023053B-4955-4CA4-BA8C-7532DF5F90C0@iotecdigital.com>

The function is adding the value of two chunks together and returning the result. How does that even compute? Unless the + operator is doing something totally different here…

Bob S


On Aug 31, 2023, at 3:38 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

Actually, the syntax is correct. It uses a custom sort function. The function call includes the "each" which means it passes the correct parameter to the custom function, which then acts on it and sends the result back to the calling handler for sorting. It's a nice way to customize the built-in sort. You can do some pretty extravagant things with it.


On 8/31/23 10:25 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:



From alex at tweedly.net  Thu Aug 31 19:53:23 2023
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2023 00:53:23 +0100
Subject: Sort bug
In-Reply-To: <3023053B-4955-4CA4-BA8C-7532DF5F90C0@iotecdigital.com>
References: <64C21C5C-EC88-466B-A2CE-CA55D4EBC7CC@optusnet.com.au>
 <CDE10EAC-2E00-4C62-92D8-336F1C2F9C76@iotecdigital.com>
 <A0E5418F-4990-4402-B9AD-6901B8D62ED7@iotecdigital.com>
 <5c09a840-a483-e087-ad59-16a8802a28e4@hyperactivesw.com>
 <3023053B-4955-4CA4-BA8C-7532DF5F90C0@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <c03cc78d-20b0-4059-a18e-5690a655b3aa@tweedly.net>


On 01/09/2023 00:37, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
> The function is adding the value of two chunks together and returning the result. How does that even compute? Unless the + operator is doing something totally different here

The code said:

> sort lines tVariable by myVal(each)
>
> where the function is for example
>
> function myVal pStr
>     return item 1 of pStr + item 2 of pStr
> end myval
since it's sorting the lines of the container, it calls the custom 
function with each line in turn. The function simply adds together the 
first two items from the passed-in line, and returns that. The returned 
value is associated with the corresponding line - and then the container 
is sorted by those associated values.

This works fine if the input variable is well formatted (i.e. first and 
second items of each line are numeric), but fails to give an error when 
something goes wrong - such as a non-numeric item.

(and, yes - the dictionary description is misleading, if not simply 
incorrect. However, the "Tip" at the end describes the use of ustom 
functions).

Alex.



From brian at milby7.com  Thu Aug 31 21:29:17 2023
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2023 21:29:17 -0400
Subject: Sort bug
In-Reply-To: <c03cc78d-20b0-4059-a18e-5690a655b3aa@tweedly.net>
References: <c03cc78d-20b0-4059-a18e-5690a655b3aa@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <9DE07A74-F443-4C9F-AA16-66A2B17AC606@milby7.com>

I just tried this in 10dp5 and the sort didn’t completely bail (it put the error value first) but it did error when including inline (as in the bug report).  If I add a try, then it will stop on the throw.  Not sure how much this would slow down execution though.

function myVal pStr
   local tResult
   try
      put item 1 of pStr + item 2 of pStr into tResult
   catch errorVariable
      throw "Bad data"
   end try
   return tResult
end myVal

Brian Milby
brian at milby7.com

> On Aug 31, 2023, at 7:53 PM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On 01/09/2023 00:37, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
>> The function is adding the value of two chunks together and returning the result. How does that even compute? Unless the + operator is doing something totally different here…
> 
> The code said:
> 
>> sort lines tVariable by myVal(each)
>> 
>> where the function is for example
>> 
>> function myVal pStr
>>    return item 1 of pStr + item 2 of pStr
>> end myval
> since it's sorting the lines of the container, it calls the custom function with each line in turn. The function simply adds together the first two items from the passed-in line, and returns that. The returned value is associated with the corresponding line - and then the container is sorted by those associated values.
> 
> This works fine if the input variable is well formatted (i.e. first and second items of each line are numeric), but fails to give an error when something goes wrong - such as a non-numeric item.
> 
> (and, yes - the dictionary description is misleading, if not simply incorrect. However, the "Tip" at the end describes the use of ustom functions).
> 
> Alex.
> 
> 
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From jerry at jhjensen.com  Tue Aug  1 01:27:46 2023
From: jerry at jhjensen.com (Jerry Jensen)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2023 22:27:46 -0700
Subject: Managing windows in the IDE on Mac
In-Reply-To: <189af3d71f8.276f.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <9B368B43-B56B-43AE-A1D7-AF825538B07F@swcp.com>
 <189af3d71f8.276f.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <C47640BC-9823-4CD9-B3CA-58132AFC47C2@jhjensen.com>

I now always "set the backdrop to none” right away in the main stack. Otherwise mine is always black. Pain.
.Jerry

> On Jul 31, 2023, at 8:56 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hey Dar! So nice to see you here again.
> 
> The backdrop problem is a known bug on Ventura. Sometimes you can click where the window ought to be and it comes to the front, but basically windowing is broken. The only fix I know of for now is to not use a backdrop.
> 
> <https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=24200>
> 
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> On July 31, 2023 7:50:52 PM Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> It has been a while. Hi, all. I’m getting back into LiveCode.
>> 
>> I’m using 9.6.9 on Mac Ventura.
>> 
>> I’m having a lot of trouble with the windows in the IDE. The backdrop doesn’t always work. The stack I’m working on keeps disappearing. I can check Float above everything, but that is not what I need and it can become a problem when I want to look at something else. The Project Browser stays behind everything and then disappears when I click on it.
>> 
>> Dar
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Dar Scott
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> +1.505.433.1024 <tel:15054331024> | darzLAB.com <http://darzlab.com/> | DarScott at darzLAB.com <mailto:DarScott at darzLAB.com>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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> 
> 
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From merakosp at gmail.com  Tue Aug  1 04:35:40 2023
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis m)
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2023 11:35:40 +0300
Subject: Query Android Version Code
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR12MB270965373B7486DC1E6AD955B93FA@BYAPR12MB2709.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
References: <20230721005258.Horde.fGWFLX7QeysnQIb4kFMIKDN@hub.4wsys.com>
 <238B28B2-9D91-4156-81BC-0C4EB7CE7F07@iotecdigital.com>
 <8a40bc65-b369-3673-37ad-5702eee68f5d@researchware.com>
 <CAKCLKto=N3ACQ-T2aPnWX5NNDj0RcpwftPUrhitmxq_tHH1h6g@mail.gmail.com>
 <BYAPR12MB270965373B7486DC1E6AD955B93FA@BYAPR12MB2709.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq9cJs4eZvNUdVzakKL7m1dGsLbb4+9Y58r-jNw6F+w15Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Dan,

You can do something like this:
*put* the cRevStandaloneSettings["android,version code"] of this stack

Kind regards,
Panos
--

On Sat, 22 Jul 2023 at 00:02, Dan Friedman via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Does anyone know if there is a way to query the “Version Code” that you
> enter in the Application Settings screen?
>
> -Dan
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Aug  1 09:09:29 2023
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2023 13:09:29 +0000
Subject: Update RE: LC domains for sale
Message-ID: <20230801130929.Horde.wNIt98pS8I5_bFopHyuMQc9@hub.4wsys.com>

learnlivecode.com is being sold (buyer has good plans for teachingLiveCode scripting, and I wish him the best with that).
 
livecodeworld.com remains available for now.
 
------ original message --
I had taken out these domains some time ago for possible projects, but now I'm planning on having those proposed services become part of the existing livecodejournal.com domain instead.
 
If anyone here is interested in these domains they're listed at AfterNIC.com, and I'd be happy to negotiate favorable pricing if you have a community-oriented use in mind:
 
 
livecodeworld.com
learnlivecode.com

 
--  
Richard Gaskin
Fourth World Systems
 


From dsc at swcp.com  Tue Aug  1 11:39:35 2023
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2023 09:39:35 -0600
Subject: Tab button is not getting messages
Message-ID: <43035845-9589-4802-9486-F49A05BE3C4B@swcp.com>


I have a tab button on a background. It does not seem to be getting menuPick. I tried mouseUp and that does not work, either. A checkbox on the same background does get a mouseUp. I tried beeps and puts, but nothing. (I’m switching to a card whose name is pChosenItem.)

Dar

From dsc at swcp.com  Tue Aug  1 11:40:46 2023
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2023 09:40:46 -0600
Subject: Managing windows in the IDE on Mac
In-Reply-To: <C47640BC-9823-4CD9-B3CA-58132AFC47C2@jhjensen.com>
References: <9B368B43-B56B-43AE-A1D7-AF825538B07F@swcp.com>
 <189af3d71f8.276f.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <C47640BC-9823-4CD9-B3CA-58132AFC47C2@jhjensen.com>
Message-ID: <A45A8379-065F-4B62-ABAB-5A034C0D8A3E@swcp.com>

Thanks, all!


> On Jul 31, 2023, at 11:27 PM, Jerry Jensen via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I now always "set the backdrop to none” right away in the main stack. Otherwise mine is always black. Pain.
> .Jerry
> 
>> On Jul 31, 2023, at 8:56 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hey Dar! So nice to see you here again.
>> 
>> The backdrop problem is a known bug on Ventura. Sometimes you can click where the window ought to be and it comes to the front, but basically windowing is broken. The only fix I know of for now is to not use a backdrop.
>> 
>> <https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=24200>
>> 
>> --
>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
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>> On July 31, 2023 7:50:52 PM Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> It has been a while. Hi, all. I’m getting back into LiveCode.
>>> 
>>> I’m using 9.6.9 on Mac Ventura.
>>> 
>>> I’m having a lot of trouble with the windows in the IDE. The backdrop doesn’t always work. The stack I’m working on keeps disappearing. I can check Float above everything, but that is not what I need and it can become a problem when I want to look at something else. The Project Browser stays behind everything and then disappears when I click on it.
>>> 
>>> Dar
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Dar Scott
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> +1.505.433.1024 <tel:15054331024> | darzLAB.com <http://darzlab.com/> | DarScott at darzLAB.com <mailto:DarScott at darzLAB.com>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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From david.bovill at gmail.com  Tue Aug  1 11:46:13 2023
From: david.bovill at gmail.com (David Bovill)
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2023 16:46:13 +0100
Subject: Snapshot of browser not working?
Message-ID: <CAGASioPth6ATxACRxucYPLm3njY3D-PUj+zq8EBTtcO_mhrnjA@mail.gmail.com>

I cannot find a specific bug report - but I am trying to take a snapshot of
a browser widget to capture an image of the website. In the latest 10 DP 5
on MacOS M2 i get a very truncated text of the image (a few lines) in all
formats using:

*export* snapshot from widget "Browser" to pictVariable as PNG

Is this something that works on other  platforms or livecode versions?

From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Aug  1 11:47:19 2023
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2023 15:47:19 +0000
Subject: Tab button is not getting messages
In-Reply-To: <43035845-9589-4802-9486-F49A05BE3C4B@swcp.com>
References: <43035845-9589-4802-9486-F49A05BE3C4B@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <C1275E20-618D-484D-8BD5-3EEC6B1FB9AB@iotecdigital.com>

Tab button or tab widget?

Bob S


> On Aug 1, 2023, at 8:39 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> I have a tab button on a background. It does not seem to be getting menuPick. I tried mouseUp and that does not work, either. A checkbox on the same background does get a mouseUp. I tried beeps and puts, but nothing. (I’m switching to a card whose name is pChosenItem.)
> 
> Dar
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From dsc at swcp.com  Tue Aug  1 12:10:29 2023
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2023 10:10:29 -0600
Subject: Tab button is not getting messages
In-Reply-To: <C1275E20-618D-484D-8BD5-3EEC6B1FB9AB@iotecdigital.com>
References: <43035845-9589-4802-9486-F49A05BE3C4B@swcp.com>
 <C1275E20-618D-484D-8BD5-3EEC6B1FB9AB@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <87445B73-94CB-4ACE-825C-4F906ED1F177@swcp.com>


There’s a tab widget? Cool.

I guess I’m using a tab button.

I think I know what is the problem, though I don’t remember what I did to do cause it. Some of the backgrounds are really different; they just look the same. I edit the background (the tab button script) but the button script does not show up on most of the cards. 

How do I place the correct background on each card?

Dar


> On Aug 1, 2023, at 9:47 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Tab button or tab widget?
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Aug 1, 2023, at 8:39 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I have a tab button on a background. It does not seem to be getting menuPick. I tried mouseUp and that does not work, either. A checkbox on the same background does get a mouseUp. I tried beeps and puts, but nothing. (I’m switching to a card whose name is pChosenItem.)
>> 
>> Dar
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From paul at researchware.com  Tue Aug  1 13:06:34 2023
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2023 13:06:34 -0400
Subject: Snapshot of browser not working?
In-Reply-To: <CAGASioPth6ATxACRxucYPLm3njY3D-PUj+zq8EBTtcO_mhrnjA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGASioPth6ATxACRxucYPLm3njY3D-PUj+zq8EBTtcO_mhrnjA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <601f239b-8b6f-bb0f-b0ba-4a5ac78d29a6@researchware.com>

Exporting a snapshot of a PLAYER fails under Windows (see 
https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23694). Exporting the 
Browser widget may be related? If it is reproducible in a test stack, 
you shoud file a bug report with a test stack to demonstrate the error.

I seem to recall other export snapshot bugs. There is one related to 
multiple displays (https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=22852) 
and there may be others.

On 8/1/2023 11:46 AM, David Bovill via use-livecode wrote:
> I cannot find a specific bug report - but I am trying to take a snapshot of
> a browser widget to capture an image of the website. In the latest 10 DP 5
> on MacOS M2 i get a very truncated text of the image (a few lines) in all
> formats using:
>
> *export* snapshot from widget "Browser" to pictVariable as PNG
>
> Is this something that works on other  platforms or livecode versions?
> _______________________________________________
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> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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From gcanyon at gmail.com  Tue Aug  1 13:13:58 2023
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2023 10:13:58 -0700
Subject: Tab button is not getting messages
In-Reply-To: <87445B73-94CB-4ACE-825C-4F906ED1F177@swcp.com>
References: <43035845-9589-4802-9486-F49A05BE3C4B@swcp.com>
 <C1275E20-618D-484D-8BD5-3EEC6B1FB9AB@iotecdigital.com>
 <87445B73-94CB-4ACE-825C-4F906ED1F177@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <CAKCLKtrAvLEZ3vR2O5HyWwW6aqcSu8AOt8hwZn12haQu+tOKRw@mail.gmail.com>

place background <background name> onto card <card name>

There are other ways (cough, Navigator has built in support), but that
will do it.

On Tue, Aug 1, 2023 at 9:11 AM Dar Scott via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

>
> There’s a tab widget? Cool.
>
> I guess I’m using a tab button.
>
> I think I know what is the problem, though I don’t remember what I did to
> do cause it. Some of the backgrounds are really different; they just look
> the same. I edit the background (the tab button script) but the button
> script does not show up on most of the cards.
>
> How do I place the correct background on each card?
>
> Dar
>
>
> > On Aug 1, 2023, at 9:47 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Tab button or tab widget?
> >
> > Bob S
> >
> >
> >> On Aug 1, 2023, at 8:39 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> I have a tab button on a background. It does not seem to be getting
> menuPick. I tried mouseUp and that does not work, either. A checkbox on the
> same background does get a mouseUp. I tried beeps and puts, but nothing.
> (I’m switching to a card whose name is pChosenItem.)
> >>
> >> Dar
> >> _______________________________________________
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From panos.merakos at livecode.com  Fri Aug  4 09:47:40 2023
From: panos.merakos at livecode.com (panagiotis merakos)
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2023 16:47:40 +0300
Subject: [[ ANN ]] New Enhancements Bundle v1.0.32 available
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq_gY=t-8c=rOnxhQ2KWQOAp_dM3mfvwzgJ_oB3zWndSSA@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all,

Just to let you know that there is an update of the enhancements bundle
available in your account area.

Latest update 1.0.32: 4 August 2023

This update includes some bugfixes. I'll update BugZilla later tonight.

Note that when installing this new version using the stack
"WidgetPackInstaller.livecode" that is included in the bundle, you might
need to restart the LC IDE once (or twice) - you will get a dialog asking
you to do so.

Kind regards,
Panos


--

From marksmithhfx at gmail.com  Fri Aug  4 10:03:53 2023
From: marksmithhfx at gmail.com (Mark Smith)
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2023 15:03:53 +0100
Subject: [[ ANN ]] New Enhancements Bundle v1.0.32 available
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq_gY=t-8c=rOnxhQ2KWQOAp_dM3mfvwzgJ_oB3zWndSSA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+JfEq_gY=t-8c=rOnxhQ2KWQOAp_dM3mfvwzgJ_oB3zWndSSA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9D343B29-08A3-49FC-8298-D4B6F75488EC@gmail.com>

Hi Panos, while you are updating Bugzilla could you make a brief list of the bug fixes and post them here? 
Mark

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 4, 2023, at 2:49 PM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> Just to let you know that there is an update of the enhancements bundle
> available in your account area.
> 
> Latest update 1.0.32: 4 August 2023
> 
> This update includes some bugfixes. I'll update BugZilla later tonight.
> 
> Note that when installing this new version using the stack
> "WidgetPackInstaller.livecode" that is included in the bundle, you might
> need to restart the LC IDE once (or twice) - you will get a dialog asking
> you to do so.
> 
> Kind regards,
> Panos
> 
> 
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From klaus at major-k.de  Fri Aug  4 10:05:45 2023
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2023 16:05:45 +0200
Subject: [[ ANN ]] New Enhancements Bundle v1.0.32 available
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq_gY=t-8c=rOnxhQ2KWQOAp_dM3mfvwzgJ_oB3zWndSSA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+JfEq_gY=t-8c=rOnxhQ2KWQOAp_dM3mfvwzgJ_oB3zWndSSA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B390823B-DFE4-46CD-A3A9-294F175272FF@major-k.de>

Hi Panos,

> Am 04.08.2023 um 15:47 schrieb panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> Just to let you know that there is an update of the enhancements bundle
> available in your account area.
> Latest update 1.0.32: 4 August 2023
> This update includes some bugfixes. I'll update BugZilla later tonight.

thanks!

it might be agood idea to show the VERSION number in the filename, 
which still reads: livecode_enhancements-1_0_0.zip

> Note that when installing this new version using the stack
> "WidgetPackInstaller.livecode" that is included in the bundle, you might
> need to restart the LC IDE once (or twice) - you will get a dialog asking
> you to do so.

And it also shows the beloved "A stack with that name is already in memory..." 
(not funny!) however without the evil circle of death after clicking "Purge". 8-)

> Kind regards,
> Panos

Best

Klaus

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https://www.major-k.de/bass
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From merakosp at gmail.com  Fri Aug  4 10:12:28 2023
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis m)
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2023 17:12:28 +0300
Subject: [[ ANN ]] New Enhancements Bundle v1.0.32 available
In-Reply-To: <B390823B-DFE4-46CD-A3A9-294F175272FF@major-k.de>
References: <CA+JfEq_gY=t-8c=rOnxhQ2KWQOAp_dM3mfvwzgJ_oB3zWndSSA@mail.gmail.com>
 <B390823B-DFE4-46CD-A3A9-294F175272FF@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq-ruUrtduZnAWkPp1TroqZW4uwhQeXMRM8kpREVMMgKZQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all,

@Mark
There is a file "changelog.txt" in the bundle that describes all the
bugfixes and new features that are added per widget.

@Klaus
Heh, I think the .zip file has this version (1_0_0) because it allows us to
update it more easily. If you unzip it, it should show the actual version:
"livecode_enhancements-1_0_32".

Kind regards,
Panos
--

On Fri, 4 Aug 2023 at 17:06, Klaus major-k via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi Panos,
>
> > Am 04.08.2023 um 15:47 schrieb panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> >
> > Hello all,
> >
> > Just to let you know that there is an update of the enhancements bundle
> > available in your account area.
> > Latest update 1.0.32: 4 August 2023
> > This update includes some bugfixes. I'll update BugZilla later tonight.
>
> thanks!
>
> it might be agood idea to show the VERSION number in the filename,
> which still reads: livecode_enhancements-1_0_0.zip
>
> > Note that when installing this new version using the stack
> > "WidgetPackInstaller.livecode" that is included in the bundle, you might
> > need to restart the LC IDE once (or twice) - you will get a dialog asking
> > you to do so.
>
> And it also shows the beloved "A stack with that name is already in
> memory..."
> (not funny!) however without the evil circle of death after clicking
> "Purge". 8-)
>
> > Kind regards,
> > Panos
>
> Best
>
> Klaus
>
> --
> Klaus Major
> https://www.major-k.de
> https://www.major-k.de/bass
> klaus at major-k.de
>
>
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From klaus at major-k.de  Fri Aug  4 10:16:53 2023
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2023 16:16:53 +0200
Subject: [[ ANN ]] New Enhancements Bundle v1.0.32 available
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq-ruUrtduZnAWkPp1TroqZW4uwhQeXMRM8kpREVMMgKZQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+JfEq_gY=t-8c=rOnxhQ2KWQOAp_dM3mfvwzgJ_oB3zWndSSA@mail.gmail.com>
 <B390823B-DFE4-46CD-A3A9-294F175272FF@major-k.de>
 <CA+JfEq-ruUrtduZnAWkPp1TroqZW4uwhQeXMRM8kpREVMMgKZQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8EFAABC0-FFB8-410F-B2CB-1FE25F5086A5@major-k.de>

Hi Panos,

> Am 04.08.2023 um 16:12 schrieb panagiotis m via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> @Mark
> There is a file "changelog.txt" in the bundle that describes all the
> bugfixes and new features that are added per widget.
> 
> @Klaus
> Heh, I think the .zip file has this version (1_0_0) because it allows us to
> update it more easily. If you unzip it, it should show the actual version:
> "livecode_enhancements-1_0_32".

OK, get it, they thou shalt be forgiven! :-D

> Kind regards,
> Panos
> --
> 
> On Fri, 4 Aug 2023 at 17:06, Klaus major-k via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Panos,
>> 
>>> Am 04.08.2023 um 15:47 schrieb panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>> 
>>> Hello all,
>>> 
>>> Just to let you know that there is an update of the enhancements bundle
>>> available in your account area.
>>> Latest update 1.0.32: 4 August 2023
>>> This update includes some bugfixes. I'll update BugZilla later tonight.
>> 
>> thanks!
>> 
>> it might be agood idea to show the VERSION number in the filename,
>> which still reads: livecode_enhancements-1_0_0.zip
>> 
>>> Note that when installing this new version using the stack
>>> "WidgetPackInstaller.livecode" that is included in the bundle, you might
>>> need to restart the LC IDE once (or twice) - you will get a dialog asking
>>> you to do so.
>> 
>> And it also shows the beloved "A stack with that name is already in
>> memory..."
>> (not funny!) however without the evil circle of death after clicking
>> "Purge". 8-)

Best

Klaus

--
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https://www.major-k.de
https://www.major-k.de/bass
klaus at major-k.de



From marksmithhfx at gmail.com  Fri Aug  4 10:18:28 2023
From: marksmithhfx at gmail.com (Mark Smith)
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2023 15:18:28 +0100
Subject: [[ ANN ]] New Enhancements Bundle v1.0.32 available
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq-ruUrtduZnAWkPp1TroqZW4uwhQeXMRM8kpREVMMgKZQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+JfEq_gY=t-8c=rOnxhQ2KWQOAp_dM3mfvwzgJ_oB3zWndSSA@mail.gmail.com>
 <B390823B-DFE4-46CD-A3A9-294F175272FF@major-k.de>
 <CA+JfEq-ruUrtduZnAWkPp1TroqZW4uwhQeXMRM8kpREVMMgKZQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00186242-1BF3-4431-8155-3B9E50AEE527@gmail.com>

Many thanks!!

> On 4 Aug 2023, at 3:12 pm, panagiotis m via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> @Mark
> There is a file "changelog.txt" in the bundle that describes all the
> bugfixes and new features that are added per widget.


From derek-lc-list at speedbump.io  Fri Aug  4 10:23:20 2023
From: derek-lc-list at speedbump.io (Derek Bump)
Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2023 14:23:20 +0000
Subject: [[ ANN ]] New Enhancements Bundle v1.0.32 available
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq_gY=t-8c=rOnxhQ2KWQOAp_dM3mfvwzgJ_oB3zWndSSA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+JfEq_gY=t-8c=rOnxhQ2KWQOAp_dM3mfvwzgJ_oB3zWndSSA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7-IZ5w3cxMIWVwf9cLAauFtIeZaYjW4cj9MXNvTlgP2Bf-WGpCy8_ppPBgzmWY6KrPfpgaL-pX7IJqu5wCVEd4FNMTNpqlAgonmj9v3n_nU=@speedbump.io>

Hello Panos,

Thank you! The enhancements bundle, specifically PolyList and PolyGrid, have been incredibly helpful in my projects.

I've noticed I have different versions of PolyList in the "Extensions" folder under my "My LiveCode" directory. How can I be sure the proper version is being loaded? Should I be clearing out the old versions, or does your installer handle that?

Thanks again,

Thank you,
Derek Bump


------- Original Message -------
On Friday, August 4th, 2023 at 08:47, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:


> 
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> Just to let you know that there is an update of the enhancements bundle
> available in your account area.
> 
> Latest update 1.0.32: 4 August 2023
> 
> This update includes some bugfixes. I'll update BugZilla later tonight.
> 
> Note that when installing this new version using the stack
> "WidgetPackInstaller.livecode" that is included in the bundle, you might
> need to restart the LC IDE once (or twice) - you will get a dialog asking
> you to do so.
> 
> Kind regards,
> Panos
> 
> 
> --
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From merakosp at gmail.com  Fri Aug  4 10:37:58 2023
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis m)
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2023 17:37:58 +0300
Subject: [[ ANN ]] New Enhancements Bundle v1.0.32 available
In-Reply-To: <7-IZ5w3cxMIWVwf9cLAauFtIeZaYjW4cj9MXNvTlgP2Bf-WGpCy8_ppPBgzmWY6KrPfpgaL-pX7IJqu5wCVEd4FNMTNpqlAgonmj9v3n_nU=@speedbump.io>
References: <CA+JfEq_gY=t-8c=rOnxhQ2KWQOAp_dM3mfvwzgJ_oB3zWndSSA@mail.gmail.com>
 <7-IZ5w3cxMIWVwf9cLAauFtIeZaYjW4cj9MXNvTlgP2Bf-WGpCy8_ppPBgzmWY6KrPfpgaL-pX7IJqu5wCVEd4FNMTNpqlAgonmj9v3n_nU=@speedbump.io>
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq_eQzpSA7T0_hnQw4rSc4p6TmQakGSc=OXhyUPNdCag8Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Derek,

Indeed, those 2 widgets are probably the ones I mostly use in my projects
as well!


*>>>>How can I be sure the proper version is being loaded? Should I be
clearing out the old versions, or does your installer handle that?*
The installer does handle that - it removes existing versions and installs
the newest ones.

Kind regards,
Panos
--

On Fri, 4 Aug 2023 at 17:24, Derek Bump via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hello Panos,
>
> Thank you! The enhancements bundle, specifically PolyList and PolyGrid,
> have been incredibly helpful in my projects.
>
> I've noticed I have different versions of PolyList in the "Extensions"
> folder under my "My LiveCode" directory. How can I be sure the proper
> version is being loaded? Should I be clearing out the old versions, or does
> your installer handle that?
>
> Thanks again,
>
> Thank you,
> Derek Bump
>
>
> ------- Original Message -------
> On Friday, August 4th, 2023 at 08:47, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>
> >
> >
> > Hello all,
> >
> > Just to let you know that there is an update of the enhancements bundle
> > available in your account area.
> >
> > Latest update 1.0.32: 4 August 2023
> >
> > This update includes some bugfixes. I'll update BugZilla later tonight.
> >
> > Note that when installing this new version using the stack
> > "WidgetPackInstaller.livecode" that is included in the bundle, you might
> > need to restart the LC IDE once (or twice) - you will get a dialog asking
> > you to do so.
> >
> > Kind regards,
> > Panos
> >
> >
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From derek-lc-list at speedbump.io  Fri Aug  4 11:03:58 2023
From: derek-lc-list at speedbump.io (Derek Bump)
Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2023 15:03:58 +0000
Subject: [[ ANN ]] New Enhancements Bundle v1.0.32 available
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq_eQzpSA7T0_hnQw4rSc4p6TmQakGSc=OXhyUPNdCag8Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+JfEq_gY=t-8c=rOnxhQ2KWQOAp_dM3mfvwzgJ_oB3zWndSSA@mail.gmail.com>
 <7-IZ5w3cxMIWVwf9cLAauFtIeZaYjW4cj9MXNvTlgP2Bf-WGpCy8_ppPBgzmWY6KrPfpgaL-pX7IJqu5wCVEd4FNMTNpqlAgonmj9v3n_nU=@speedbump.io>
 <CA+JfEq_eQzpSA7T0_hnQw4rSc4p6TmQakGSc=OXhyUPNdCag8Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7SCN-uX9JIHdPtBNI_GICg6CfTvB_7Sy7JTU0c4eo73V5jEcYXEh2-NHXaq_NW9SEPmD9mXuGp9q-F2T7nrIBA7NEukM_bSjNJTL9qLMwnM=@speedbump.io>

Hello Panos,

Excellent, thank you for the quick response.

Regards,
Derek Bump


------- Original Message -------
On Friday, August 4th, 2023 at 09:37, panagiotis m via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:


> 
> 
> Hello Derek,
> 
> Indeed, those 2 widgets are probably the ones I mostly use in my projects
> as well!
> 
> 
> *>>>>How can I be sure the proper version is being loaded? Should I be
> 
> clearing out the old versions, or does your installer handle that?*
> The installer does handle that - it removes existing versions and installs
> the newest ones.
> 
> Kind regards,
> Panos
> --
> 
> On Fri, 4 Aug 2023 at 17:24, Derek Bump via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> > Hello Panos,
> > 
> > Thank you! The enhancements bundle, specifically PolyList and PolyGrid,
> > have been incredibly helpful in my projects.
> > 
> > I've noticed I have different versions of PolyList in the "Extensions"
> > folder under my "My LiveCode" directory. How can I be sure the proper
> > version is being loaded? Should I be clearing out the old versions, or does
> > your installer handle that?
> > 
> > Thanks again,
> > 
> > Thank you,
> > Derek Bump
> > 
> > ------- Original Message -------
> > On Friday, August 4th, 2023 at 08:47, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > Hello all,
> > > 
> > > Just to let you know that there is an update of the enhancements bundle
> > > available in your account area.
> > > 
> > > Latest update 1.0.32: 4 August 2023
> > > 
> > > This update includes some bugfixes. I'll update BugZilla later tonight.
> > > 
> > > Note that when installing this new version using the stack
> > > "WidgetPackInstaller.livecode" that is included in the bundle, you might
> > > need to restart the LC IDE once (or twice) - you will get a dialog asking
> > > you to do so.
> > > 
> > > Kind regards,
> > > Panos
> > > 
> > > --
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From gcanyon at gmail.com  Sat Aug  5 03:21:32 2023
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2023 00:21:32 -0700
Subject: If you're using the github version of Navigator, please update
Message-ID: <CAKCLKtqtfjfMzJ3jENB-5pw=ks81Yo4RUEGAh_13gdze6WSB9Q@mail.gmail.com>

Turns out I had a glitch I didn't notice with my github client, and no
updates were making it to main for some time now. So if you happen to have
installed Navigator by cloning the repo, now would be a good time to
update. Some improvements that have happened:

1. I  completely did away with the stack and card menus, replacing them
with a single Target menu (indicated by a bullseye). It lists every stack
with a submenu that includes things like Go (goes to the stack), Toplevel
(Toplevels the stack), Card List and Background List, and further submenus
for the cards and backgrounds, allowing you to focus on any of them.  This
fixes several small issues with the previous stack and card target menus.

Remember that Navigator can display multiple targets if you hold down the
Shift key while choosing a target -- you can have as many as you like,
subject to performance limitations.

Note: if anyone finds this menu to be too slow, let me know -- it does
count through all cards and backgrounds of every stack, but in my
experience unless you're dealing with literally tens of thousands of cards
it should be fine. I could write some sort of caching algorithm and make
updates manual -- or something, I haven't thought about it too much.

2. I improved the The MouseStack targeting functionality. I don't know what
I was thinking before with the usability of the click, or long-click, on
the menu. So at this point the menu is just a menu -- select "the
mouseStack" on the menu and you get the pointer bullseye, then click over
whatever target you like to select it in Navigator.

3. I switched to the merge function for the custom list display string.
This opens up a ridiculous set of possibilities if anyone cares to really
dig in.

If you find any bugs let me know.

From brian at milby7.com  Sat Aug  5 09:51:52 2023
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2023 09:51:52 -0400
Subject: If you're using the github version of Navigator, please update
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKtqtfjfMzJ3jENB-5pw=ks81Yo4RUEGAh_13gdze6WSB9Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKtqtfjfMzJ3jENB-5pw=ks81Yo4RUEGAh_13gdze6WSB9Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6FC62E02-9350-4612-BA3E-45F8F8776126@milby7.com>

Thanks for the heads up.  This is a great tool that I probably should be using more than I do.  I appreciate your work on this!

Brian Milby
brian at milby7.com

> On Aug 5, 2023, at 3:23 AM, Geoff Canyon via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Turns out I had a glitch I didn't notice with my github client, and no
> updates were making it to main for some time now. So if you happen to have
> installed Navigator by cloning the repo, now would be a good time to
> update. Some improvements that have happened:
> 
> 1. I  completely did away with the stack and card menus, replacing them
> with a single Target menu (indicated by a bullseye). It lists every stack
> with a submenu that includes things like Go (goes to the stack), Toplevel
> (Toplevels the stack), Card List and Background List, and further submenus
> for the cards and backgrounds, allowing you to focus on any of them.  This
> fixes several small issues with the previous stack and card target menus.
> 
> Remember that Navigator can display multiple targets if you hold down the
> Shift key while choosing a target -- you can have as many as you like,
> subject to performance limitations.
> 
> Note: if anyone finds this menu to be too slow, let me know -- it does
> count through all cards and backgrounds of every stack, but in my
> experience unless you're dealing with literally tens of thousands of cards
> it should be fine. I could write some sort of caching algorithm and make
> updates manual -- or something, I haven't thought about it too much.
> 
> 2. I improved the The MouseStack targeting functionality. I don't know what
> I was thinking before with the usability of the click, or long-click, on
> the menu. So at this point the menu is just a menu -- select "the
> mouseStack" on the menu and you get the pointer bullseye, then click over
> whatever target you like to select it in Navigator.
> 
> 3. I switched to the merge function for the custom list display string.
> This opens up a ridiculous set of possibilities if anyone cares to really
> dig in.
> 
> If you find any bugs let me know.
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From andrew at midwestcoastmedia.com  Sat Aug  5 10:31:21 2023
From: andrew at midwestcoastmedia.com (Andrew at MidWest Coast Media)
Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2023 10:31:21 -0400
Subject: Snapshot of browser not working?
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1690905601.367122.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.1.1690905601.367122.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <EF8D1C73-6B75-4F51-BDC3-63838F149EC7@midwestcoastmedia.com>

I believe this is a bug/feature of the browser widget being a native control. What has worked for me is being more specific about the snapshot location.


      export snapshot from rect globalRect(the rect of widget “Browser" of group “foo") to pictVariable as PNG
    

This has worked in macOS and Windows standalones for a current project. Hope that helps!

—Andrew Bell


> Subject: Snapshot of browser not working?
> Message-ID:
> 	<CAGASioPth6ATxACRxucYPLm3njY3D-PUj+zq8EBTtcO_mhrnjA at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> 
> I cannot find a specific bug report - but I am trying to take a snapshot of
> a browser widget to capture an image of the website. In the latest 10 DP 5
> on MacOS M2 i get a very truncated text of the image (a few lines) in all
> formats using:
> 
> *export* snapshot from widget "Browser" to pictVariable as PNG
> 
> Is this something that works on other  platforms or livecode versions?
> 


From scott at elementarysoftware.com  Sun Aug  6 21:04:02 2023
From: scott at elementarysoftware.com (scott at elementarysoftware.com)
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2023 18:04:02 -0700
Subject: tsNetGet() on android
Message-ID: <78391A36-2711-4DB2-8511-8829B3594D0A@elementarysoftware.com>

I’m having difficulty using a LiveCode-created android app to read a  (4.7 KB) UTF-8 encoded text file off my server. Desktop and iOS versions of the app have no trouble. This is LC 9.6.9 (tsNet version 1.4.9 Business Edition) I don’t actually think this is a tsNet issue since I had previously been using “load URL” syntax and that failed on android as well.  The URL I am attempting to read is:

constant kSolutionsURL="https://elementarysoftware.com/wordlish/wordle_solutions_list.txt"

(I have tried variations using  http:// ,  www.  and also,  not using a constant)

The call to tsNet is formatted:

put tsNetGet("1", kSolutionsURL, tHeaders, "tsNetTransferComplete") into tResult

The (curl?) error I am getting from tsNet is:

tsneterr: (6) Could not resolve host: elementarysoftware.com <http://elementarysoftware.com/>

This seems like such a simple thing, so I’m hoping for an idea from the collective. (After which I will slap my forehead and say, “Duh!”)

--
Scott Morrow

Elementary Software
(Now with 20% less chalk dust!)
web       https://elementarysoftware.com/
email     scott at elementarysoftware.com
booth    1-360-734-4701
------------------------------------------------------









From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Aug  6 22:13:17 2023
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2023 21:13:17 -0500
Subject: tsNetGet() on android
In-Reply-To: <78391A36-2711-4DB2-8511-8829B3594D0A@elementarysoftware.com>
References: <78391A36-2711-4DB2-8511-8829B3594D0A@elementarysoftware.com>
Message-ID: <189cdc52648.276f.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>

It might be due to a insidious trick that caught me out. It also caught the 
person who helped me, who said he only knew about it because it got him too.

I assume you already have the right inclusions, but you may have missed the 
permissions checkbox in the Android pane of standalone settings. There's an 
Internet permission in there. Surprise!

If that isn't the problem then...um...?

--
Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
On August 6, 2023 8:06:36 PM scott--- via use-livecode 
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Im having difficulty using a LiveCode-created android app to read a  (4.7 
> KB) UTF-8 encoded text file off my server. Desktop and iOS versions of the 
> app have no trouble. This is LC 9.6.9 (tsNet version 1.4.9 Business 
> Edition) I dont actually think this is a tsNet issue since I had 
> previously been using load URL syntax and that failed on android as well. 
>  The URL I am attempting to read is:
>
> constant 
> kSolutionsURL="https://elementarysoftware.com/wordlish/wordle_solutions_list.txt"
>
> (I have tried variations using  http:// ,  www.  and also,  not using a 
> constant)
>
> The call to tsNet is formatted:
>
> put tsNetGet("1", kSolutionsURL, tHeaders, "tsNetTransferComplete") into 
> tResult
>
> The (curl?) error I am getting from tsNet is:
>
> tsneterr: (6) Could not resolve host: elementarysoftware.com 
> <http://elementarysoftware.com/>
>
> This seems like such a simple thing, so Im hoping for an idea from the 
> collective. (After which I will slap my forehead and say, Duh!)
>
> --
> Scott Morrow
>
> Elementary Software
> (Now with 20% less chalk dust!)
> web       https://elementarysoftware.com/
> email     scott at elementarysoftware.com
> booth    1-360-734-4701
> ------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Sun Aug  6 22:29:04 2023
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2023 19:29:04 -0700
Subject: tsNetGet() on android
In-Reply-To: <78391A36-2711-4DB2-8511-8829B3594D0A@elementarysoftware.com>
References: <78391A36-2711-4DB2-8511-8829B3594D0A@elementarysoftware.com>
Message-ID: <b3360049-a65d-a5be-f22d-bf4f82a8ce6a@sonic.net>

On 8/6/23 18:04, scott--- via use-livecode wrote:
> Im having difficulty using a LiveCode-created android app to read a  (4.7 KB) UTF-8 encoded text file off my server. Desktop and iOS versions of the app have no trouble. This is LC 9.6.9 (tsNet version 1.4.9 Business Edition) I dont actually think this is a tsNet issue since I had previously been using load URL syntax and that failed on android as well.  The URL I am attempting to read is:
> 
> constant kSolutionsURL="https://elementarysoftware.com/wordlish/wordle_solutions_list.txt"
> 
> (I have tried variations using  http:// ,  www.  and also,  not using a constant)
> 
> The call to tsNet is formatted:
> 
> put tsNetGet("1", kSolutionsURL, tHeaders, "tsNetTransferComplete") into tResult
> 
> The (curl?) error I am getting from tsNet is:
> 
> tsneterr: (6) Could not resolve host: elementarysoftware.com <http://elementarysoftware.com/>
> 
> This seems like such a simple thing, so Im hoping for an idea from the collective. (After which I will slap my forehead and say, Duh!)

Your constant uses "https" but the error message says "http"?
That's weird.
Have you tried using 192.99.207.157 instead? That should eliminate dns 
as a variable.


-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From scott at elementarysoftware.com  Mon Aug  7 00:35:06 2023
From: scott at elementarysoftware.com (scott at elementarysoftware.com)
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2023 21:35:06 -0700
Subject: tsNetGet() on android
In-Reply-To: <b3360049-a65d-a5be-f22d-bf4f82a8ce6a@sonic.net>
References: <78391A36-2711-4DB2-8511-8829B3594D0A@elementarysoftware.com>
 <b3360049-a65d-a5be-f22d-bf4f82a8ce6a@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <7779CFF0-DC6F-4E2C-9587-4FFB964355CE@elementarysoftware.com>

@Mark:  I thought that “http” being reported in the error was weird when the constant used “https” but what do I know.

@Jacque:  Nailed it!  Works as expected now. (Forehead slap was gentle but firm)

Thank you both!
—
Scott

> On Aug 6, 2023, at 7:29 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> On 8/6/23 18:04, scott--- via use-livecode wrote:
>> I’m having difficulty using a LiveCode-created android app to read a  (4.7 KB) UTF-8 encoded text file off my server. Desktop and iOS versions of the app have no trouble. This is LC 9.6.9 (tsNet version 1.4.9 Business Edition) I don’t actually think this is a tsNet issue since I had previously been using “load URL” syntax and that failed on android as well.  The URL I am attempting to read is:
>> constant kSolutionsURL="https://elementarysoftware.com/wordlish/wordle_solutions_list.txt"
>> (I have tried variations using  http:// ,  www.  and also,  not using a constant)
>> The call to tsNet is formatted:
>> put tsNetGet("1", kSolutionsURL, tHeaders, "tsNetTransferComplete") into tResult
>> The (curl?) error I am getting from tsNet is:
>> tsneterr: (6) Could not resolve host: elementarysoftware.com <http://elementarysoftware.com/>
>> This seems like such a simple thing, so I’m hoping for an idea from the collective. (After which I will slap my forehead and say, “Duh!”)
> 
> Your constant uses "https" but the error message says "http"?
> That's weird.
> Have you tried using 192.99.207.157 instead? That should eliminate dns as a variable.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Mark Wieder
> ahsoftware at gmail.com
> 


> 
> It might be due to a insidious trick that caught me out. It also caught the person who helped me, who said he only knew about it because it got him too.
> 
> I assume you already have the right inclusions, but you may have missed the permissions checkbox in the Android pane of standalone settings. There's an Internet permission in there. Surprise!
> 
> If that isn't the problem then...um...?
> 
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From dsc at swcp.com  Mon Aug  7 13:37:03 2023
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2023 11:37:03 -0600
Subject: Light Windows programs takes 40 s to load
Message-ID: <1032DDA5-E409-49DA-8165-B888D1191233@swcp.com>


Greetings!

A made a stack with very little script—just enough to exercise the GUI.

(I couldn’t build a Mac app; more on that as a separate question.)

I build a Windows app from my Mac. It takes 40 seconds to load. What might I be doing wrong?

I can set up a flash screen, but I’m lazy. Even so, 2/3 of a minute.

Dar

From merakosp at gmail.com  Mon Aug  7 13:42:57 2023
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis m)
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2023 20:42:57 +0300
Subject: Light Windows programs takes 40 s to load
In-Reply-To: <1032DDA5-E409-49DA-8165-B888D1191233@swcp.com>
References: <1032DDA5-E409-49DA-8165-B888D1191233@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq9brM_rn=a-N9gZ3LaT42QqS5VK08TsYQekbRSteuLUjA@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Dar,

Could you quit the printer spooler process ( from the task manager or from
Windows CMD) and try again?

Cheers,
Panos

On Mon, 7 Aug 2023, 20:38 Dar Scott via use-livecode, <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

>
> Greetings!
>
> A made a stack with very little script—just enough to exercise the GUI.
>
> (I couldn’t build a Mac app; more on that as a separate question.)
>
> I build a Windows app from my Mac. It takes 40 seconds to load. What might
> I be doing wrong?
>
> I can set up a flash screen, but I’m lazy. Even so, 2/3 of a minute.
>
> Dar
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From dsc at swcp.com  Mon Aug  7 13:46:57 2023
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2023 11:46:57 -0600
Subject: Unable to build for Mac: adding ad-hoc signature failed
Message-ID: <092054D1-2815-43AA-9869-4F67A1A545FD@swcp.com>


I’m having trouble building an application for Mac Intel.

The first time LiveCode crashed.

Subsequent times, I get this error:
There was an error while saving the standalone application
Adding ad-hoc signature failed with error:
/…/myProgram.app:
Replacing existing signature
/…/myProgram.app:
Resource for, Finder information, or similar detritus not
Allowed

I tried fiddling with the PLIST settings without success.

From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Aug  7 13:57:56 2023
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2023 12:57:56 -0500
Subject: tsNetGet() on android
In-Reply-To: <7779CFF0-DC6F-4E2C-9587-4FFB964355CE@elementarysoftware.com>
References: <78391A36-2711-4DB2-8511-8829B3594D0A@elementarysoftware.com>
 <b3360049-a65d-a5be-f22d-bf4f82a8ce6a@sonic.net>
 <7779CFF0-DC6F-4E2C-9587-4FFB964355CE@elementarysoftware.com>
Message-ID: <189d12600a0.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>

 Cool. So, someone helped someone who helped me who helped you. Your turn.

:)
--
Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
On August 6, 2023 11:37:26 PM scott--- via use-livecode 
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> @Jacque:  Nailed it!  Works as expected now. (Forehead slap was gentle but 
> firm)




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Aug  7 17:43:42 2023
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2023 16:43:42 -0500
Subject: Unable to build for Mac: adding ad-hoc signature failed
In-Reply-To: <092054D1-2815-43AA-9869-4F67A1A545FD@swcp.com>
References: <092054D1-2815-43AA-9869-4F67A1A545FD@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <189d1f4b2b0.276f.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>

This might help:
<https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/qa/qa1940/_index.html>
--
Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
On August 7, 2023 12:49:03 PM Dar Scott via use-livecode 
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Im having trouble building an application for Mac Intel.
>
> The first time LiveCode crashed.
>
> Subsequent times, I get this error:
> There was an error while saving the standalone application
> Adding ad-hoc signature failed with error:
> //myProgram.app:
> Replacing existing signature
> //myProgram.app:
> Resource for, Finder information, or similar detritus not
> Allowed
>
> I tried fiddling with the PLIST settings without success.
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Aug  7 18:48:27 2023
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2023 22:48:27 +0000
Subject: Bug or...? Native Querying
Message-ID: <105A7904-B04B-4473-8004-424F4636D060@iotecdigital.com>

I have code that uses the native API for SQL (as opposed to sqlYoga) because I have to do some joining that I do not know how to do with sqlYoga. The query string looks like this: 

select fileid,filename,fileversion,filecategory,custid,siteid,deviceid,serviceid,softwareid,parentidlist,filemodified,tempfilemodified,tmpfilesmodified,checkoutid,checkoutname,checkoutpath,rfapath,lastupdate,updateby 
from files t1 
where custid = 56;

When I execute this query in mySQLWorkbench, I get 6 records. When I use the native API: 

put revQueryDatabase( tDBID, tSQL) into tCursor

Then I get the revNumberOfRecords(tCursor), but it’s only 5!!!!!

The same query gets 6 using mySQLWorkbench and only 5 are counted in the cursor! 

Please tell my I haven’t stumbled across a Lex Luther universe! 

Bob S


From dan at clearvisiontech.com  Mon Aug  7 18:56:04 2023
From: dan at clearvisiontech.com (Dan Friedman)
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2023 22:56:04 +0000
Subject: Consumable In App Purchases on Android
In-Reply-To: <189d1f4b2b0.276f.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <092054D1-2815-43AA-9869-4F67A1A545FD@swcp.com>
 <189d1f4b2b0.276f.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <BYAPR12MB27098554E36FF3103EE5E83FB90CA@BYAPR12MB2709.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>

Does anyone have any experience with consumable in-app purchases on Android?   I can’t seem to figure out how to (1) create a consumable product, and (2) how to consume it.   mobileStoreConsumePurchase pProductID doesn’t seem to function right… I get back a result that is “true”, but attempting to purchase the same product, returns “alreadyEntitled”.

The “How do I implement in-app purchases in LiveCode - Google Play Store?” lesson says:  click "In-App Products” and click “Add new product”.  From there, follow the instructions to create the type of in-app purchase you wish to use.

In Google Play Console > Monitize > In-App Products > Create Product, there isn’t a place to select the type of in-app purchase.

Any insight or instructions you may have would be greatly appreciated!!

-Dan

From selander at tkf.att.ne.jp  Mon Aug  7 18:56:50 2023
From: selander at tkf.att.ne.jp (Tim Selander)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 07:56:50 +0900
Subject: Uploading progress bar
Message-ID: <88723a3a-4f10-3988-1911-11a56e1a2fc2@tkf.att.ne.jp>

We are airing a kid's anime program on TV this fall, and are encouraging 
parents to video their kids singing the theme song -- which we'll air at 
the end of the program.

Using LC Server, I made a simple page for the parents to use to upload 
the videos. It's working fine, but I would like to add a progress bar to 
give some kind of user feedback as the upload can take 2 or 3 minutes.

I've found several php scripts that do this, which look great but I have 
no idea how it works, but can anyone tell me how I could do this in LC?

Any and all tips appreciated!

Tim Selander
Tokyo, Japan


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Aug  7 19:02:05 2023
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2023 23:02:05 +0000
Subject: Bug or...? Native Querying
In-Reply-To: <105A7904-B04B-4473-8004-424F4636D060@iotecdigital.com>
References: <105A7904-B04B-4473-8004-424F4636D060@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <BD28860E-98DB-4B49-9199-3D28B9DCE852@iotecdigital.com>

<sigh> I spoke too soon. I appended some SQL onto the initial query and there was an error in the SQL. I used

...where custid = 56 AND fileversion = (select max(fileversion) from files t2 where t2.filename = t1.filename)

I should have used

...where custid = 56 AND fileversion = (select max(t1.fileversion) from files t2 where t2.filename = t1.filename)

I was making an ambiguous reference to fileversion. Odd that the SQL ran anyway. Apparently if the reference is inside a function, mySQL does not balk!

Bob S



On Aug 7, 2023, at 3:48 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

I have code that uses the native API for SQL (as opposed to sqlYoga) because I have to do some joining that I do not know how to do with sqlYoga. The query string looks like this:

select fileid,filename,fileversion,filecategory,custid,siteid,deviceid,serviceid,softwareid,parentidlist,filemodified,tempfilemodified,tmpfilesmodified,checkoutid,checkoutname,checkoutpath,rfapath,lastupdate,updateby
from files t1
where custid = 56;

When I execute this query in mySQLWorkbench, I get 6 records. When I use the native API:

put revQueryDatabase( tDBID, tSQL) into tCursor

Then I get the revNumberOfRecords(tCursor), but it’s only 5!!!!!

The same query gets 6 using mySQLWorkbench and only 5 are counted in the cursor!

Please tell my I haven’t stumbled across a Lex Luther universe!

Bob S


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Aug  7 19:14:44 2023
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2023 23:14:44 +0000
Subject: Bug or...? Native Querying
In-Reply-To: <BD28860E-98DB-4B49-9199-3D28B9DCE852@iotecdigital.com>
References: <105A7904-B04B-4473-8004-424F4636D060@iotecdigital.com>
 <BD28860E-98DB-4B49-9199-3D28B9DCE852@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <F91F7325-51D4-49FF-A23D-DD70BF0DCDDE@iotecdigital.com>

Final correction and then I’ll shut up. Should have read

…where custid = 56 AND fileversion = (select max(t2.fileversion) from files t2 where t2.filename = t1.filename)

MAN that is complicated!

Bob S


On Aug 7, 2023, at 4:01 PM, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com> wrote:

<sigh> I spoke too soon. I appended some SQL onto the initial query and there was an error in the SQL. I used

...where custid = 56 AND fileversion = (select max(fileversion) from files t2 where t2.filename = t1.filename)

I should have used

...where custid = 56 AND fileversion = (select max(t1.fileversion) from files t2 where t2.filename = t1.filename)

I was making an ambiguous reference to fileversion. Odd that the SQL ran anyway. Apparently if the reference is inside a function, mySQL does not balk!

Bob S



On Aug 7, 2023, at 3:48 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

I have code that uses the native API for SQL (as opposed to sqlYoga) because I have to do some joining that I do not know how to do with sqlYoga. The query string looks like this:

select fileid,filename,fileversion,filecategory,custid,siteid,deviceid,serviceid,softwareid,parentidlist,filemodified,tempfilemodified,tmpfilesmodified,checkoutid,checkoutname,checkoutpath,rfapath,lastupdate,updateby
from files t1
where custid = 56;

When I execute this query in mySQLWorkbench, I get 6 records. When I use the native API:

put revQueryDatabase( tDBID, tSQL) into tCursor

Then I get the revNumberOfRecords(tCursor), but it’s only 5!!!!!

The same query gets 6 using mySQLWorkbench and only 5 are counted in the cursor!

Please tell my I haven’t stumbled across a Lex Luther universe!

Bob S



From bdrunrev at gmail.com  Tue Aug  8 02:57:37 2023
From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 07:57:37 +0100
Subject: If you're using the github version of Navigator, please update
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKtqtfjfMzJ3jENB-5pw=ks81Yo4RUEGAh_13gdze6WSB9Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKtqtfjfMzJ3jENB-5pw=ks81Yo4RUEGAh_13gdze6WSB9Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+O+R-GZ5vSZ6-m99eosCtMYNtH+FFNwp+4_5nqJ6xY4bAbmGg@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for reminding me to re-install a copy, Geoff.  I've been away from
LC development for a year or so, started again using a new machine, and had
forgotten how much I like using your tool.  I just downloaded v 7.5 RC2
from your Wordpress site, which looks like it's at the cutting edge along
with the Github version.

I would suggest you put the URL to the documentation in your signature.
Probably most LC users have no idea what they are missing!
https://gcanyon.wordpress.com/navigator-documentation/

Regards
Bernard

On Sat, Aug 5, 2023 at 8:23 AM Geoff Canyon via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Turns out I had a glitch I didn't notice with my github client, and no
> updates were making it to main for some time now. So if you happen to have
> installed Navigator by cloning the repo, now would be a good time to
> update. Some improvements that have happened:
>
>
>

From dsc at swcp.com  Tue Aug  8 09:59:24 2023
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 07:59:24 -0600
Subject: Unable to build for Mac: adding ad-hoc signature failed
In-Reply-To: <189d1f4b2b0.276f.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <092054D1-2815-43AA-9869-4F67A1A545FD@swcp.com>
 <189d1f4b2b0.276f.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <791E7A1D-BB61-4C02-8D8B-F172C8C8AA88@swcp.com>

Thanks, Jacque!

That gives me a clue. I will try to get more info on this.

However, that note shows how to delete the offending resource using the xattr tool, but I have no app to point it to. LiveCode did not build anything.

I’m willing to try some magic values in Standalone Application Settings.
	I’m using LiveCode 9.6.9, but I’m willing to upgrade.
	I’m on macOS Ventura.

Has anyone successfully built a Mac application recently?

Dar

> On Aug 7, 2023, at 3:43 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> This might help:
> <https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/qa/qa1940/_index.html>
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> On August 7, 2023 12:49:03 PM Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> I’m having trouble building an application for Mac Intel.
>> 
>> The first time LiveCode crashed.
>> 
>> Subsequent times, I get this error:
>> There was an error while saving the standalone application
>> Adding ad-hoc signature failed with error:
>> /…/myProgram.app:
>> Replacing existing signature
>> /…/myProgram.app:
>> Resource for, Finder information, or similar detritus not
>> Allowed
>> 
>> I tried fiddling with the PLIST settings without success.
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From gcanyon at gmail.com  Tue Aug  8 10:03:41 2023
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 07:03:41 -0700
Subject: If you're using the github version of Navigator, please update
In-Reply-To: <CA+O+R-GZ5vSZ6-m99eosCtMYNtH+FFNwp+4_5nqJ6xY4bAbmGg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKtqtfjfMzJ3jENB-5pw=ks81Yo4RUEGAh_13gdze6WSB9Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <CA+O+R-GZ5vSZ6-m99eosCtMYNtH+FFNwp+4_5nqJ6xY4bAbmGg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKCLKtq8rvDt4znc4--x5+2OTSmZpRuCKg66OkoE-xdOHf04rw@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for the suggestion, Bernard. Note that in a moment of whimsy I
switched development of the documentation from wordpress to wix. So
documentation on wordpress stops at version 6. Everything more recent is
here: https://gcanyon.wixsite.com/navigator

But even that's slightly out of date. I'll update soon.

Thanks!

Geoff

On Mon, Aug 7, 2023 at 11:59 PM Bernard Devlin via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Thanks for reminding me to re-install a copy, Geoff.  I've been away from
> LC development for a year or so, started again using a new machine, and had
> forgotten how much I like using your tool.  I just downloaded v 7.5 RC2
> from your Wordpress site, which looks like it's at the cutting edge along
> with the Github version.
>
> I would suggest you put the URL to the documentation in your signature.
> Probably most LC users have no idea what they are missing!
> https://gcanyon.wordpress.com/navigator-documentation/
>
> Regards
> Bernard
>
> On Sat, Aug 5, 2023 at 8:23 AM Geoff Canyon via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > Turns out I had a glitch I didn't notice with my github client, and no
> > updates were making it to main for some time now. So if you happen to
> have
> > installed Navigator by cloning the repo, now would be a good time to
> > update. Some improvements that have happened:
> >
> >
> >
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> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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> subscription preferences:
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From dsc at swcp.com  Tue Aug  8 10:26:42 2023
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 08:26:42 -0600
Subject: Light Windows programs takes 40 s to load
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq9brM_rn=a-N9gZ3LaT42QqS5VK08TsYQekbRSteuLUjA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1032DDA5-E409-49DA-8165-B888D1191233@swcp.com>
 <CA+JfEq9brM_rn=a-N9gZ3LaT42QqS5VK08TsYQekbRSteuLUjA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D0B46E71-3640-4B7C-A6D7-4D3CF5D833F1@swcp.com>

Sure, Panos! Uh, what’s its name?

> On Aug 7, 2023, at 11:42 AM, panagiotis m via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello Dar,
> 
> Could you quit the printer spooler process ( from the task manager or from
> Windows CMD) and try again?
> 
> Cheers,
> Panos
> 
> On Mon, 7 Aug 2023, 20:38 Dar Scott via use-livecode, <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Greetings!
>> 
>> A made a stack with very little script—just enough to exercise the GUI.
>> 
>> (I couldn’t build a Mac app; more on that as a separate question.)
>> 
>> I build a Windows app from my Mac. It takes 40 seconds to load. What might
>> I be doing wrong?
>> 
>> I can set up a flash screen, but I’m lazy. Even so, 2/3 of a minute.
>> 
>> Dar
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From merakosp at gmail.com  Tue Aug  8 11:14:12 2023
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis m)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 18:14:12 +0300
Subject: Light Windows programs takes 40 s to load
In-Reply-To: <D0B46E71-3640-4B7C-A6D7-4D3CF5D833F1@swcp.com>
References: <1032DDA5-E409-49DA-8165-B888D1191233@swcp.com>
 <CA+JfEq9brM_rn=a-N9gZ3LaT42QqS5VK08TsYQekbRSteuLUjA@mail.gmail.com>
 <D0B46E71-3640-4B7C-A6D7-4D3CF5D833F1@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq9Om9_V3MPxnPY-BFcY91B1RrsZQLvyrpVCKxx9K8-jkg@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Dar,

So, try this:

1. Open Windows Task Manager
2. Search for a process named "Spooler Subsystem app" or just "Print
Spooler"
3. Force quit this process

Now open your standalone and see if it starts immediately.

Cheers,
Panos
--

On Tue, 8 Aug 2023 at 17:27, Dar Scott via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Sure, Panos! Uh, what’s its name?
>
> > On Aug 7, 2023, at 11:42 AM, panagiotis m via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Dar,
> >
> > Could you quit the printer spooler process ( from the task manager or
> from
> > Windows CMD) and try again?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Panos
> >
> > On Mon, 7 Aug 2023, 20:38 Dar Scott via use-livecode, <
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Greetings!
> >>
> >> A made a stack with very little script—just enough to exercise the GUI.
> >>
> >> (I couldn’t build a Mac app; more on that as a separate question.)
> >>
> >> I build a Windows app from my Mac. It takes 40 seconds to load. What
> might
> >> I be doing wrong?
> >>
> >> I can set up a flash screen, but I’m lazy. Even so, 2/3 of a minute.
> >>
> >> Dar
> >> _______________________________________________
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Aug  8 11:35:14 2023
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 15:35:14 +0000
Subject: Light Windows programs takes 40 s to load
In-Reply-To: <D0B46E71-3640-4B7C-A6D7-4D3CF5D833F1@swcp.com>
References: <1032DDA5-E409-49DA-8165-B888D1191233@swcp.com>
 <CA+JfEq9brM_rn=a-N9gZ3LaT42QqS5VK08TsYQekbRSteuLUjA@mail.gmail.com>
 <D0B46E71-3640-4B7C-A6D7-4D3CF5D833F1@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <A1C0E01F-D49D-4B57-AB27-877CBA2E6072@iotecdigital.com>

Pardon me if you know this already. Apps that are capable of printing will attempt to connect to the default printer upon launch. Panos is trying to isolate an issue where if the default printer is unresponsive, your app will wait until the process times out before proceeding. In Windows the Print Spooler service is the broker for all print processes. Stopping this service will prevent the long timeout.

If using Windows, pop the Windows menu then start typing the word, “Service”. Once you see “Services” open it, then find the Print Spooler service (the list is Hot Typable but you have to select one of the services first, otherwise just scroll down) the slick the Stop Service button.

BTW I would not use the task manager for this. I do not see either of those names in my tasks. I think the Print Spooler task is actually named Spoolsv.

Bob S


On Aug 8, 2023, at 7:26 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

Sure, Panos! Uh, what’s its name?


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Aug  8 11:44:23 2023
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2023 10:44:23 -0500
Subject: Unable to build for Mac: adding ad-hoc signature failed
In-Reply-To: <791E7A1D-BB61-4C02-8D8B-F172C8C8AA88@swcp.com>
References: <092054D1-2815-43AA-9869-4F67A1A545FD@swcp.com>
 <189d1f4b2b0.276f.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <791E7A1D-BB61-4C02-8D8B-F172C8C8AA88@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <189d5d217d8.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>

I built a Mac standalone about 3 weeks ago without issue using an RC 
version of 9.6.9. I'm still on Monterey though. Do you have any inclusions 
selected or files in the Copy Files pane of the standalone settings? If so, 
try building without them and see what happens.

--
Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
On August 8, 2023 9:01:54 AM Dar Scott via use-livecode 
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Thanks, Jacque!
>
> That gives me a clue. I will try to get more info on this.
>
> However, that note shows how to delete the offending resource using the 
> xattr tool, but I have no app to point it to. LiveCode did not build anything.
>
> Im willing to try some magic values in Standalone Application Settings.
> 	Im using LiveCode 9.6.9, but Im willing to upgrade.
> 	Im on macOS Ventura.
>
> Has anyone successfully built a Mac application recently?
>
> Dar
>
>> On Aug 7, 2023, at 3:43 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> This might help:
>> <https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/qa/qa1940/_index.html>
>> --
>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>> On August 7, 2023 12:49:03 PM Dar Scott via use-livecode 
>> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Im having trouble building an application for Mac Intel.
>>>
>>> The first time LiveCode crashed.
>>>
>>> Subsequent times, I get this error:
>>> There was an error while saving the standalone application
>>> Adding ad-hoc signature failed with error:
>>> //myProgram.app:
>>> Replacing existing signature
>>> //myProgram.app:
>>> Resource for, Finder information, or similar detritus not
>>> Allowed
>>>
>>> I tried fiddling with the PLIST settings without success.
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
>>> subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Aug  8 11:45:40 2023
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 15:45:40 +0000
Subject: Unable to build for Mac: adding ad-hoc signature failed
In-Reply-To: <791E7A1D-BB61-4C02-8D8B-F172C8C8AA88@swcp.com>
References: <092054D1-2815-43AA-9869-4F67A1A545FD@swcp.com>
 <189d1f4b2b0.276f.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <791E7A1D-BB61-4C02-8D8B-F172C8C8AA88@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <BCDED9A6-42C2-43F6-B54E-D9618E0F8BD6@iotecdigital.com>

I have, but I don’t do any signing or notarizing. If that happens transparently, then it’s working for me. 

Bob S


> On Aug 8, 2023, at 6:59 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Thanks, Jacque!
> 
> That gives me a clue. I will try to get more info on this.
> 
> However, that note shows how to delete the offending resource using the xattr tool, but I have no app to point it to. LiveCode did not build anything.
> 
> I’m willing to try some magic values in Standalone Application Settings.
> 	I’m using LiveCode 9.6.9, but I’m willing to upgrade.
> 	I’m on macOS Ventura.
> 
> Has anyone successfully built a Mac application recently?
> 
> Dar
> 
>> On Aug 7, 2023, at 3:43 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> This might help:
>> <https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/qa/qa1940/_index.html>
>> --
>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>> On August 7, 2023 12:49:03 PM Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I’m having trouble building an application for Mac Intel.
>>> 
>>> The first time LiveCode crashed.
>>> 
>>> Subsequent times, I get this error:
>>> There was an error while saving the standalone application
>>> Adding ad-hoc signature failed with error:
>>> /…/myProgram.app:
>>> Replacing existing signature
>>> /…/myProgram.app:
>>> Resource for, Finder information, or similar detritus not
>>> Allowed
>>> 
>>> I tried fiddling with the PLIST settings without success.
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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>> 
>> 
>> 
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From marksmithhfx at gmail.com  Tue Aug  8 12:07:12 2023
From: marksmithhfx at gmail.com (Mark Smith)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 17:07:12 +0100
Subject: Unable to build for Mac: adding ad-hoc signature failed
In-Reply-To: <791E7A1D-BB61-4C02-8D8B-F172C8C8AA88@swcp.com>
References: <092054D1-2815-43AA-9869-4F67A1A545FD@swcp.com>
 <189d1f4b2b0.276f.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <791E7A1D-BB61-4C02-8D8B-F172C8C8AA88@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <60649154-A10E-4DBA-88B3-6B6576D7A59B@gmail.com>

Hi Dar,

I just built one unsigned and it worked fine. Will you be signing it for distribution in the Mac App store as well? 

Mark

> On 8 Aug 2023, at 2:59 pm, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Thanks, Jacque!
> 
> That gives me a clue. I will try to get more info on this.
> 
> However, that note shows how to delete the offending resource using the xattr tool, but I have no app to point it to. LiveCode did not build anything.
> 
> I’m willing to try some magic values in Standalone Application Settings.
> 	I’m using LiveCode 9.6.9, but I’m willing to upgrade.
> 	I’m on macOS Ventura.
> 
> Has anyone successfully built a Mac application recently?
> 
> Dar
> 
>> On Aug 7, 2023, at 3:43 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> This might help:
>> <https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/qa/qa1940/_index.html>
>> --
>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>> On August 7, 2023 12:49:03 PM Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I’m having trouble building an application for Mac Intel.
>>> 
>>> The first time LiveCode crashed.
>>> 
>>> Subsequent times, I get this error:
>>> There was an error while saving the standalone application
>>> Adding ad-hoc signature failed with error:
>>> /…/myProgram.app:
>>> Replacing existing signature
>>> /…/myProgram.app:
>>> Resource for, Finder information, or similar detritus not
>>> Allowed
>>> 
>>> I tried fiddling with the PLIST settings without success.
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From merakosp at gmail.com  Tue Aug  8 12:07:42 2023
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis m)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 19:07:42 +0300
Subject: Light Windows programs takes 40 s to load
In-Reply-To: <A1C0E01F-D49D-4B57-AB27-877CBA2E6072@iotecdigital.com>
References: <1032DDA5-E409-49DA-8165-B888D1191233@swcp.com>
 <CA+JfEq9brM_rn=a-N9gZ3LaT42QqS5VK08TsYQekbRSteuLUjA@mail.gmail.com>
 <D0B46E71-3640-4B7C-A6D7-4D3CF5D833F1@swcp.com>
 <A1C0E01F-D49D-4B57-AB27-877CBA2E6072@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq8o5fPwQHTTimC3tgZEa2S8C-adJDws6ig=qKpDq+WX0A@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all,

We recently fixed a bug (affecting mainly Windows 11) where the LC
installer, the LC IDE and Windows standalones were crashing on startup. It
turned out this was caused if some generic printer drivers were installed
in the device, and installing the official printer drivers from the
vendor's website prevented the crash. We had reports for Brother printers,
Epson and HP if I remember correctly.

The fix we added did fix the crash, but in some cases caused a delay on
startup, if the device still had the "generic" printer driver installed.

That's why I asked to quit the printer spooler and try again - if it works
with the printer spooler not running, it means that this device has a
"generic" printer driver installed, so Dar could just install the official
driver from the vendor's website and have the issue fixed.

Kind regards,
Panos



On Tue, 8 Aug 2023 at 18:36, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Pardon me if you know this already. Apps that are capable of printing will
> attempt to connect to the default printer upon launch. Panos is trying to
> isolate an issue where if the default printer is unresponsive, your app
> will wait until the process times out before proceeding. In Windows the
> Print Spooler service is the broker for all print processes. Stopping this
> service will prevent the long timeout.
>
> If using Windows, pop the Windows menu then start typing the word,
> “Service”. Once you see “Services” open it, then find the Print Spooler
> service (the list is Hot Typable but you have to select one of the services
> first, otherwise just scroll down) the slick the Stop Service button.
>
> BTW I would not use the task manager for this. I do not see either of
> those names in my tasks. I think the Print Spooler task is actually named
> Spoolsv.
>
> Bob S
>
>
> On Aug 8, 2023, at 7:26 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> Sure, Panos! Uh, what’s its name?
>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Aug  8 12:08:59 2023
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2023 11:08:59 -0500
Subject: Unable to build for Mac: adding ad-hoc signature failed
In-Reply-To: <BCDED9A6-42C2-43F6-B54E-D9618E0F8BD6@iotecdigital.com>
References: <092054D1-2815-43AA-9869-4F67A1A545FD@swcp.com>
 <189d1f4b2b0.276f.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <791E7A1D-BB61-4C02-8D8B-F172C8C8AA88@swcp.com>
 <BCDED9A6-42C2-43F6-B54E-D9618E0F8BD6@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <189d5e89d78.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>

Signing happens after the app is built and is a manual process, so yours 
isn't signed /notarized yet. But unsigned apps run on the development 
machine anyway, so I'd say you built the app successfully.

--
Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
On August 8, 2023 10:47:34 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I have, but I dont do any signing or notarizing. If that happens 
> transparently, then its working for me.
>
> Bob S
>
>
>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 6:59 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode 
>> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks, Jacque!
>>
>> That gives me a clue. I will try to get more info on this.
>>
>> However, that note shows how to delete the offending resource using the 
>> xattr tool, but I have no app to point it to. LiveCode did not build anything.
>>
>> Im willing to try some magic values in Standalone Application Settings.
>> 	Im using LiveCode 9.6.9, but Im willing to upgrade.
>> 	Im on macOS Ventura.
>>
>> Has anyone successfully built a Mac application recently?
>>
>> Dar
>>
>>> On Aug 7, 2023, at 3:43 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>>> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> This might help:
>>> <https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/qa/qa1940/_index.html>
>>> --
>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>> On August 7, 2023 12:49:03 PM Dar Scott via use-livecode 
>>> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Im having trouble building an application for Mac Intel.
>>>>
>>>> The first time LiveCode crashed.
>>>>
>>>> Subsequent times, I get this error:
>>>> There was an error while saving the standalone application
>>>> Adding ad-hoc signature failed with error:
>>>> //myProgram.app:
>>>> Replacing existing signature
>>>> //myProgram.app:
>>>> Resource for, Finder information, or similar detritus not
>>>> Allowed
>>>>
>>>> I tried fiddling with the PLIST settings without success.
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
>>>> subscription preferences:
>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From marksmithhfx at gmail.com  Tue Aug  8 12:11:39 2023
From: marksmithhfx at gmail.com (Mark Smith)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 17:11:39 +0100
Subject: Unable to build for Mac: adding ad-hoc signature failed
In-Reply-To: <791E7A1D-BB61-4C02-8D8B-F172C8C8AA88@swcp.com>
References: <092054D1-2815-43AA-9869-4F67A1A545FD@swcp.com>
 <189d1f4b2b0.276f.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <791E7A1D-BB61-4C02-8D8B-F172C8C8AA88@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <02F4A07C-7772-46A6-826A-D5F8FD4C016E@gmail.com>

I should add I used 9.6.8 on Monterey. 

> On 8 Aug 2023, at 2:59 pm, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Thanks, Jacque!
> 
> That gives me a clue. I will try to get more info on this.
> 
> However, that note shows how to delete the offending resource using the xattr tool, but I have no app to point it to. LiveCode did not build anything.
> 
> I’m willing to try some magic values in Standalone Application Settings.
> 	I’m using LiveCode 9.6.9, but I’m willing to upgrade.
> 	I’m on macOS Ventura.
> 
> Has anyone successfully built a Mac application recently?
> 
> Dar
> 
>> On Aug 7, 2023, at 3:43 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> This might help:
>> <https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/qa/qa1940/_index.html>
>> --
>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>> On August 7, 2023 12:49:03 PM Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I’m having trouble building an application for Mac Intel.
>>> 
>>> The first time LiveCode crashed.
>>> 
>>> Subsequent times, I get this error:
>>> There was an error while saving the standalone application
>>> Adding ad-hoc signature failed with error:
>>> /…/myProgram.app:
>>> Replacing existing signature
>>> /…/myProgram.app:
>>> Resource for, Finder information, or similar detritus not
>>> Allowed
>>> 
>>> I tried fiddling with the PLIST settings without success.
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From merakosp at gmail.com  Tue Aug  8 12:12:29 2023
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis m)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 19:12:29 +0300
Subject: Unable to build for Mac: adding ad-hoc signature failed
In-Reply-To: <60649154-A10E-4DBA-88B3-6B6576D7A59B@gmail.com>
References: <092054D1-2815-43AA-9869-4F67A1A545FD@swcp.com>
 <189d1f4b2b0.276f.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <791E7A1D-BB61-4C02-8D8B-F172C8C8AA88@swcp.com>
 <60649154-A10E-4DBA-88B3-6B6576D7A59B@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq-Uhw=Fn=MtFk4EFAwQ3ytrLbS70rf2XjkCw=z4LfjQPA@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all,

The standalone builder does add a signature when building the mac
standalone - but an ad hoc one (i.e. it does not use an actual
certificate). The error Dar gets happens during the standalone building
process.

@Dar
Could you attach the exact error? Just upload the screenshot somewhere and
post the link. It might help us isolate the problem, although I suspect it
is related to the command line tools version you have installed.

Could you try this in the terminal and post the output?

xcode-select -p

Cheers,
Panos

On Tue, 8 Aug 2023 at 19:08, Mark Smith via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi Dar,
>
> I just built one unsigned and it worked fine. Will you be signing it for
> distribution in the Mac App store as well?
>
> Mark
>
> > On 8 Aug 2023, at 2:59 pm, Dar Scott via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks, Jacque!
> >
> > That gives me a clue. I will try to get more info on this.
> >
> > However, that note shows how to delete the offending resource using the
> xattr tool, but I have no app to point it to. LiveCode did not build
> anything.
> >
> > I’m willing to try some magic values in Standalone Application Settings.
> >       I’m using LiveCode 9.6.9, but I’m willing to upgrade.
> >       I’m on macOS Ventura.
> >
> > Has anyone successfully built a Mac application recently?
> >
> > Dar
> >
> >> On Aug 7, 2023, at 3:43 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> This might help:
> >> <https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/qa/qa1940/_index.html>
> >> --
> >> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> >> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> >> On August 7, 2023 12:49:03 PM Dar Scott via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I’m having trouble building an application for Mac Intel.
> >>>
> >>> The first time LiveCode crashed.
> >>>
> >>> Subsequent times, I get this error:
> >>> There was an error while saving the standalone application
> >>> Adding ad-hoc signature failed with error:
> >>> /…/myProgram.app:
> >>> Replacing existing signature
> >>> /…/myProgram.app:
> >>> Resource for, Finder information, or similar detritus not
> >>> Allowed
> >>>
> >>> I tried fiddling with the PLIST settings without success.
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> use-livecode mailing list
> >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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From dsc at swcp.com  Tue Aug  8 12:19:46 2023
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 10:19:46 -0600
Subject: Unable to build for Mac: adding ad-hoc signature failed
In-Reply-To: <189d5e89d78.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <092054D1-2815-43AA-9869-4F67A1A545FD@swcp.com>
 <189d1f4b2b0.276f.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <791E7A1D-BB61-4C02-8D8B-F172C8C8AA88@swcp.com>
 <BCDED9A6-42C2-43F6-B54E-D9618E0F8BD6@iotecdigital.com>
 <189d5e89d78.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <656E739B-E786-4862-A0D0-54798D7A9CCF@swcp.com>

I removed all inclusions. I opted to remove all profiles, probably none. There are no Copy Files. I’m building for Intel only. 

For PLIST I chose Chose a PLIST and then clicked Use None.

I set my bundle identifier and have not changed that among my attempts. I left all of the other Version Information as default. 

I have no Icons added.

I get the same error.

Dar

> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:08 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Signing happens after the app is built and is a manual process, so yours isn't signed /notarized yet. But unsigned apps run on the development machine anyway, so I'd say you built the app successfully.
> 
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> On August 8, 2023 10:47:34 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> I have, but I don’t do any signing or notarizing. If that happens transparently, then it’s working for me.
>> 
>> Bob S
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 6:59 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks, Jacque!
>>> 
>>> That gives me a clue. I will try to get more info on this.
>>> 
>>> However, that note shows how to delete the offending resource using the xattr tool, but I have no app to point it to. LiveCode did not build anything.
>>> 
>>> I’m willing to try some magic values in Standalone Application Settings.
>>> 	I’m using LiveCode 9.6.9, but I’m willing to upgrade.
>>> 	I’m on macOS Ventura.
>>> 
>>> Has anyone successfully built a Mac application recently?
>>> 
>>> Dar
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 7, 2023, at 3:43 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> This might help:
>>>> <https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/qa/qa1940/_index.html>
>>>> --
>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>>> On August 7, 2023 12:49:03 PM Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I’m having trouble building an application for Mac Intel.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The first time LiveCode crashed.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Subsequent times, I get this error:
>>>>> There was an error while saving the standalone application
>>>>> Adding ad-hoc signature failed with error:
>>>>> /…/myProgram.app:
>>>>> Replacing existing signature
>>>>> /…/myProgram.app:
>>>>> Resource for, Finder information, or similar detritus not
>>>>> Allowed
>>>>> 
>>>>> I tried fiddling with the PLIST settings without success.
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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From merakosp at gmail.com  Tue Aug  8 12:19:52 2023
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis m)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 19:19:52 +0300
Subject: Consumable In App Purchases on Android
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR12MB27098554E36FF3103EE5E83FB90CA@BYAPR12MB2709.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
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Hello Dan,

I think Google no longer differentiates between consumables and
non-consumables when setting up the in-app product - they are both marked
as "In-App Products”. However, in LiveCode, you have to call
mobileStoreConsumePurchase pProductID to be able to buy the product again -
otherwise you get a "alreadyEntitled" status.

If you do this, and still get "alreadyEntitled", then you have to ensure
that the pProductID param passed to mobileStoreConsumePurchase indeed
matches exactly the product id of the product you set up in the google dev
console.

Hope this helps.

Kind regards,
Panos

On Tue, 8 Aug 2023 at 01:57, Dan Friedman via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Does anyone have any experience with consumable in-app purchases on
> Android?   I can’t seem to figure out how to (1) create a consumable
> product, and (2) how to consume it.   mobileStoreConsumePurchase pProductID
> doesn’t seem to function right… I get back a result that is “true”, but
> attempting to purchase the same product, returns “alreadyEntitled”.
>
> The “How do I implement in-app purchases in LiveCode - Google Play Store?”
> lesson says:  click "In-App Products” and click “Add new product”.  From
> there, follow the instructions to create the type of in-app purchase you
> wish to use.
>
> In Google Play Console > Monitize > In-App Products > Create Product,
> there isn’t a place to select the type of in-app purchase.
>
> Any insight or instructions you may have would be greatly appreciated!!
>
> -Dan
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Aug  8 12:28:31 2023
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 16:28:31 +0000
Subject: Variable Watcher disappeared
Message-ID: <A4DB77FB-CB62-487C-91C1-9C648AA37782@iotecdigital.com>

Hi all. 

Not sure how I did it but I can no longer see the variables while debugging. The bottom pane has disappeared and nothing I can find can get it back. Any ideas? 

Bob S



From dan at clearvisiontech.com  Tue Aug  8 12:35:19 2023
From: dan at clearvisiontech.com (Dan Friedman)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 16:35:19 +0000
Subject: Consumable In App Purchases on Android
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 <189d1f4b2b0.276f.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <BYAPR12MB27098554E36FF3103EE5E83FB90CA@BYAPR12MB2709.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
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Panos,

Thank you for the reply.   Unfortunately, this isn’t working for me… maybe I’m doing something wrong?  Product ID is “1001”.  I was able to purchase that product no problem.  If I attempt to purchase it again, I get “alreadyEntitled”.

In a button I put:

on mouseUp
    mobileStoreConsumePurchase 1001
    answer the result
end mouseUp

The result is empty (I assume that is success).  Then, I attempt to purchase 1001 and again I get “alreadyEntitled”.

I then tried (just guessing at what I need to do as the docs are very vague on how to use it):

on mouseUp
    mobileStoreEnablePurchaseUpdates
    mobileStoreSetProductType 1001,"inapp"
    mobileStoreConsumePurchase 1001
    answer the result
end mouseUp

Again, result is empty and an attempt to purchase 1001 again, gets “alreadyEntitled”.

What am I doing wrong?

-Dan



From: use-livecode <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com> on behalf of panagiotis m via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Date: Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 9:21 AM
To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Cc: panagiotis m <merakosp at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Consumable In App Purchases on Android
Hello Dan,

I think Google no longer differentiates between consumables and
non-consumables when setting up the in-app product - they are both marked
as "In-App Products”. However, in LiveCode, you have to call
mobileStoreConsumePurchase pProductID to be able to buy the product again -
otherwise you get a "alreadyEntitled" status.

If you do this, and still get "alreadyEntitled", then you have to ensure
that the pProductID param passed to mobileStoreConsumePurchase indeed
matches exactly the product id of the product you set up in the google dev
console.

Hope this helps.

Kind regards,
Panos

On Tue, 8 Aug 2023 at 01:57, Dan Friedman via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Does anyone have any experience with consumable in-app purchases on
> Android?   I can’t seem to figure out how to (1) create a consumable
> product, and (2) how to consume it.   mobileStoreConsumePurchase pProductID
> doesn’t seem to function right… I get back a result that is “true”, but
> attempting to purchase the same product, returns “alreadyEntitled”.
>
> The “How do I implement in-app purchases in LiveCode - Google Play Store?”
> lesson says:  click "In-App Products” and click “Add new product”.  From
> there, follow the instructions to create the type of in-app purchase you
> wish to use.
>
> In Google Play Console > Monitize > In-App Products > Create Product,
> there isn’t a place to select the type of in-app purchase.
>
> Any insight or instructions you may have would be greatly appreciated!!
>
> -Dan
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
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> subscription preferences:
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From dsc at swcp.com  Tue Aug  8 12:37:57 2023
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 10:37:57 -0600
Subject: Light Windows programs takes 40 s to load
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq8o5fPwQHTTimC3tgZEa2S8C-adJDws6ig=qKpDq+WX0A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1032DDA5-E409-49DA-8165-B888D1191233@swcp.com>
 <CA+JfEq9brM_rn=a-N9gZ3LaT42QqS5VK08TsYQekbRSteuLUjA@mail.gmail.com>
 <D0B46E71-3640-4B7C-A6D7-4D3CF5D833F1@swcp.com>
 <A1C0E01F-D49D-4B57-AB27-877CBA2E6072@iotecdigital.com>
 <CA+JfEq8o5fPwQHTTimC3tgZEa2S8C-adJDws6ig=qKpDq+WX0A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1335B845-0809-4929-98E7-8EBF048E81E6@swcp.com>

I stopped service Spoolsv. The executable then loaded quickly.

It is not possible to delete drivers on that computer.

I will set up a different computer with limited printer drivers.

I look forward to seeing this resolved.

My program does not print. Is there something I can remove in the creating of a standalone?

Dar

> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:07 AM, panagiotis m via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> We recently fixed a bug (affecting mainly Windows 11) where the LC
> installer, the LC IDE and Windows standalones were crashing on startup. It
> turned out this was caused if some generic printer drivers were installed
> in the device, and installing the official printer drivers from the
> vendor's website prevented the crash. We had reports for Brother printers,
> Epson and HP if I remember correctly.
> 
> The fix we added did fix the crash, but in some cases caused a delay on
> startup, if the device still had the "generic" printer driver installed.
> 
> That's why I asked to quit the printer spooler and try again - if it works
> with the printer spooler not running, it means that this device has a
> "generic" printer driver installed, so Dar could just install the official
> driver from the vendor's website and have the issue fixed.
> 
> Kind regards,
> Panos
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, 8 Aug 2023 at 18:36, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> Pardon me if you know this already. Apps that are capable of printing will
>> attempt to connect to the default printer upon launch. Panos is trying to
>> isolate an issue where if the default printer is unresponsive, your app
>> will wait until the process times out before proceeding. In Windows the
>> Print Spooler service is the broker for all print processes. Stopping this
>> service will prevent the long timeout.
>> 
>> If using Windows, pop the Windows menu then start typing the word,
>> “Service”. Once you see “Services” open it, then find the Print Spooler
>> service (the list is Hot Typable but you have to select one of the services
>> first, otherwise just scroll down) the slick the Stop Service button.
>> 
>> BTW I would not use the task manager for this. I do not see either of
>> those names in my tasks. I think the Print Spooler task is actually named
>> Spoolsv.
>> 
>> Bob S
>> 
>> 
>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 7:26 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Sure, Panos! Uh, what’s its name?
>> 
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Aug  8 12:39:06 2023
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2023 11:39:06 -0500
Subject: Light Windows programs takes 40 s to load
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq8o5fPwQHTTimC3tgZEa2S8C-adJDws6ig=qKpDq+WX0A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1032DDA5-E409-49DA-8165-B888D1191233@swcp.com>
 <CA+JfEq9brM_rn=a-N9gZ3LaT42QqS5VK08TsYQekbRSteuLUjA@mail.gmail.com>
 <D0B46E71-3640-4B7C-A6D7-4D3CF5D833F1@swcp.com>
 <A1C0E01F-D49D-4B57-AB27-877CBA2E6072@iotecdigital.com>
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Message-ID: <189d6043010.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>

Removing the print driver or spooler works on the current machine but it 
will affect any other user who runs the app. We have a steady stream of 
support tickets from Windows users and a boilerplate response prepared.
--
Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
On August 8, 2023 11:09:41 AM panagiotis m via use-livecode 
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> We recently fixed a bug (affecting mainly Windows 11) where the LC
> installer, the LC IDE and Windows standalones were crashing on startup. It
> turned out this was caused if some generic printer drivers were installed
> in the device, and installing the official printer drivers from the
> vendor's website prevented the crash. We had reports for Brother printers,
> Epson and HP if I remember correctly.
>
> The fix we added did fix the crash, but in some cases caused a delay on
> startup, if the device still had the "generic" printer driver installed.
>
> That's why I asked to quit the printer spooler and try again - if it works
> with the printer spooler not running, it means that this device has a
> "generic" printer driver installed, so Dar could just install the official
> driver from the vendor's website and have the issue fixed.
>
> Kind regards,
> Panos
>
>
>
> On Tue, 8 Aug 2023 at 18:36, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> Pardon me if you know this already. Apps that are capable of printing will
>> attempt to connect to the default printer upon launch. Panos is trying to
>> isolate an issue where if the default printer is unresponsive, your app
>> will wait until the process times out before proceeding. In Windows the
>> Print Spooler service is the broker for all print processes. Stopping this
>> service will prevent the long timeout.
>>
>> If using Windows, pop the Windows menu then start typing the word,
>> Service. Once you see Services open it, then find the Print Spooler
>> service (the list is Hot Typable but you have to select one of the services
>> first, otherwise just scroll down) the slick the Stop Service button.
>>
>> BTW I would not use the task manager for this. I do not see either of
>> those names in my tasks. I think the Print Spooler task is actually named
>> Spoolsv.
>>
>> Bob S
>>
>>
>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 7:26 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> Sure, Panos! Uh, whats its name?
>>
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From dsc at swcp.com  Tue Aug  8 12:41:45 2023
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 10:41:45 -0600
Subject: Unable to build for Mac: adding ad-hoc signature failed
In-Reply-To: <656E739B-E786-4862-A0D0-54798D7A9CCF@swcp.com>
References: <092054D1-2815-43AA-9869-4F67A1A545FD@swcp.com>
 <189d1f4b2b0.276f.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <791E7A1D-BB61-4C02-8D8B-F172C8C8AA88@swcp.com>
 <BCDED9A6-42C2-43F6-B54E-D9618E0F8BD6@iotecdigital.com>
 <189d5e89d78.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <656E739B-E786-4862-A0D0-54798D7A9CCF@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <ED4B12E1-4688-4E95-B96E-143F91EBEBDB@swcp.com>

xcode-select -p
/Library/Developer/CommandLineTools

> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:19 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I removed all inclusions. I opted to remove all profiles, probably none. There are no Copy Files. I’m building for Intel only. 
> 
> For PLIST I chose Chose a PLIST and then clicked Use None.
> 
> I set my bundle identifier and have not changed that among my attempts. I left all of the other Version Information as default. 
> 
> I have no Icons added.
> 
> I get the same error.
> 
> Dar
> 
>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:08 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Signing happens after the app is built and is a manual process, so yours isn't signed /notarized yet. But unsigned apps run on the development machine anyway, so I'd say you built the app successfully.
>> 
>> --
>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>> On August 8, 2023 10:47:34 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I have, but I don’t do any signing or notarizing. If that happens transparently, then it’s working for me.
>>> 
>>> Bob S
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 6:59 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks, Jacque!
>>>> 
>>>> That gives me a clue. I will try to get more info on this.
>>>> 
>>>> However, that note shows how to delete the offending resource using the xattr tool, but I have no app to point it to. LiveCode did not build anything.
>>>> 
>>>> I’m willing to try some magic values in Standalone Application Settings.
>>>> 	I’m using LiveCode 9.6.9, but I’m willing to upgrade.
>>>> 	I’m on macOS Ventura.
>>>> 
>>>> Has anyone successfully built a Mac application recently?
>>>> 
>>>> Dar
>>>> 
>>>>> On Aug 7, 2023, at 3:43 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> This might help:
>>>>> <https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/qa/qa1940/_index.html>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>>>> On August 7, 2023 12:49:03 PM Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I’m having trouble building an application for Mac Intel.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The first time LiveCode crashed.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Subsequent times, I get this error:
>>>>>> There was an error while saving the standalone application
>>>>>> Adding ad-hoc signature failed with error:
>>>>>> /…/myProgram.app:
>>>>>> Replacing existing signature
>>>>>> /…/myProgram.app:
>>>>>> Resource for, Finder information, or similar detritus not
>>>>>> Allowed
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I tried fiddling with the PLIST settings without success.
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>>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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From marksmithhfx at gmail.com  Tue Aug  8 12:47:05 2023
From: marksmithhfx at gmail.com (Mark Smith)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 17:47:05 +0100
Subject: Unable to build for Mac: adding ad-hoc signature failed
In-Reply-To: <ED4B12E1-4688-4E95-B96E-143F91EBEBDB@swcp.com>
References: <092054D1-2815-43AA-9869-4F67A1A545FD@swcp.com>
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 <791E7A1D-BB61-4C02-8D8B-F172C8C8AA88@swcp.com>
 <BCDED9A6-42C2-43F6-B54E-D9618E0F8BD6@iotecdigital.com>
 <189d5e89d78.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <656E739B-E786-4862-A0D0-54798D7A9CCF@swcp.com>
 <ED4B12E1-4688-4E95-B96E-143F91EBEBDB@swcp.com>
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I get this in response to Xcode-select -p

/Applications/Xcode 13.2.app/Contents/Developer


> On 8 Aug 2023, at 5:41 pm, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> xcode-select -p
> /Library/Developer/CommandLineTools
> 
>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:19 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I removed all inclusions. I opted to remove all profiles, probably none. There are no Copy Files. I’m building for Intel only. 
>> 
>> For PLIST I chose Chose a PLIST and then clicked Use None.
>> 
>> I set my bundle identifier and have not changed that among my attempts. I left all of the other Version Information as default. 
>> 
>> I have no Icons added.
>> 
>> I get the same error.
>> 
>> Dar
>> 
>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:08 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Signing happens after the app is built and is a manual process, so yours isn't signed /notarized yet. But unsigned apps run on the development machine anyway, so I'd say you built the app successfully.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>> On August 8, 2023 10:47:34 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I have, but I don’t do any signing or notarizing. If that happens transparently, then it’s working for me.
>>>> 
>>>> Bob S
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 6:59 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks, Jacque!
>>>>> 
>>>>> That gives me a clue. I will try to get more info on this.
>>>>> 
>>>>> However, that note shows how to delete the offending resource using the xattr tool, but I have no app to point it to. LiveCode did not build anything.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I’m willing to try some magic values in Standalone Application Settings.
>>>>> 	I’m using LiveCode 9.6.9, but I’m willing to upgrade.
>>>>> 	I’m on macOS Ventura.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Has anyone successfully built a Mac application recently?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Dar
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Aug 7, 2023, at 3:43 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> This might help:
>>>>>> <https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/qa/qa1940/_index.html>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>> On August 7, 2023 12:49:03 PM Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I’m having trouble building an application for Mac Intel.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The first time LiveCode crashed.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Subsequent times, I get this error:
>>>>>>> There was an error while saving the standalone application
>>>>>>> Adding ad-hoc signature failed with error:
>>>>>>> /…/myProgram.app:
>>>>>>> Replacing existing signature
>>>>>>> /…/myProgram.app:
>>>>>>> Resource for, Finder information, or similar detritus not
>>>>>>> Allowed
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I tried fiddling with the PLIST settings without success.
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>>>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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>>>>> 
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From dsc at swcp.com  Tue Aug  8 12:47:10 2023
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 10:47:10 -0600
Subject: Unable to build for Mac: adding ad-hoc signature failed
In-Reply-To: <ED4B12E1-4688-4E95-B96E-143F91EBEBDB@swcp.com>
References: <092054D1-2815-43AA-9869-4F67A1A545FD@swcp.com>
 <189d1f4b2b0.276f.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <791E7A1D-BB61-4C02-8D8B-F172C8C8AA88@swcp.com>
 <BCDED9A6-42C2-43F6-B54E-D9618E0F8BD6@iotecdigital.com>
 <189d5e89d78.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <656E739B-E786-4862-A0D0-54798D7A9CCF@swcp.com>
 <ED4B12E1-4688-4E95-B96E-143F91EBEBDB@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <9EAE9EBA-219E-40F3-809A-AF9DB3636FA4@swcp.com>

Oh, and I’m building from a network drive.


> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:41 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> xcode-select -p
> /Library/Developer/CommandLineTools
> 
>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:19 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I removed all inclusions. I opted to remove all profiles, probably none. There are no Copy Files. I’m building for Intel only. 
>> 
>> For PLIST I chose Chose a PLIST and then clicked Use None.
>> 
>> I set my bundle identifier and have not changed that among my attempts. I left all of the other Version Information as default. 
>> 
>> I have no Icons added.
>> 
>> I get the same error.
>> 
>> Dar
>> 
>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:08 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Signing happens after the app is built and is a manual process, so yours isn't signed /notarized yet. But unsigned apps run on the development machine anyway, so I'd say you built the app successfully.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>> On August 8, 2023 10:47:34 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I have, but I don’t do any signing or notarizing. If that happens transparently, then it’s working for me.
>>>> 
>>>> Bob S
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 6:59 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks, Jacque!
>>>>> 
>>>>> That gives me a clue. I will try to get more info on this.
>>>>> 
>>>>> However, that note shows how to delete the offending resource using the xattr tool, but I have no app to point it to. LiveCode did not build anything.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I’m willing to try some magic values in Standalone Application Settings.
>>>>> 	I’m using LiveCode 9.6.9, but I’m willing to upgrade.
>>>>> 	I’m on macOS Ventura.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Has anyone successfully built a Mac application recently?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Dar
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Aug 7, 2023, at 3:43 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> This might help:
>>>>>> <https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/qa/qa1940/_index.html>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>> On August 7, 2023 12:49:03 PM Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I’m having trouble building an application for Mac Intel.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The first time LiveCode crashed.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Subsequent times, I get this error:
>>>>>>> There was an error while saving the standalone application
>>>>>>> Adding ad-hoc signature failed with error:
>>>>>>> /…/myProgram.app:
>>>>>>> Replacing existing signature
>>>>>>> /…/myProgram.app:
>>>>>>> Resource for, Finder information, or similar detritus not
>>>>>>> Allowed
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I tried fiddling with the PLIST settings without success.
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From mkoob at rogers.com  Tue Aug  8 13:18:16 2023
From: mkoob at rogers.com (Martin Koob)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 13:18:16 -0400
Subject: Variable Watcher disappeared
In-Reply-To: <A4DB77FB-CB62-487C-91C1-9C648AA37782@iotecdigital.com>
References: <A4DB77FB-CB62-487C-91C1-9C648AA37782@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <2E7C61D6-01E0-4AB0-8DD0-6EDEF268C6B6@rogers.com>

Hi Bob

So you can see the Script Editor but you can’t see the variables pane at the bottom?

There is a drag handle at the bottom of the Script Editor pane to resize it.   Maybe you accidentally dragged that to the bottom hiding the variable pane at the bottom.

Even if you did that you should still see the tabs for ‘Errors’; ‘Variables’; ‘Documentation’; ‘Breakpoints’; ’Search Results’.

You should be able to drag the Drag handle up to reveal the bottom pane.


The following doesn’t probably apply to you if your Script Editor Stack is open and visible.

You probably know this but another thing that happens to me is that some of the LiveCode stacks disappear randomly.

One thing that happens is that they somehow get moved offscreen. 

To get them back I first check if they are there by typing the following into the message box.

put the openstacks

That should result in a list like this.

Message Box
My Demo Stack
revInspector
revTools
revNewScriptEditor 1
revDictionary
revMenuBar
Improve LiveCode Handler Finder
com.livecode.palette.autocomplete.completions

If you see the stack in the list that you are looking for you can relocate it back to the screen by setting its location to something that will be on your display by entering the following in the message box.
set the topleft of stack "revtools" to 100,100





Two other reasons stacks disappear is that they become hidden or closed.



If the stack is closed then enter the following in the message box

open stack “revtools



If the stack is open but hidden enter

show stack “revtools”

If it is your message box that you can’t find then there is nothing you can do….


… Just kidding.  ;-)

Just type command key + M to show the message box.


Bob, I am sure this is covering things you already know  but just in case there others in future are looking for this I added the other cases where your LiveCode IDE stacks disappear.

BTW I am using LC 9.6.9 on a M1 Max Mac running Ventura 13.41

Martin

> On Aug 8, 2023, at 12:28 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi all. 
> 
> Not sure how I did it but I can no longer see the variables while debugging. The bottom pane has disappeared and nothing I can find can get it back. Any ideas? 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
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From dick.kriesel at mail.com  Tue Aug  8 13:22:44 2023
From: dick.kriesel at mail.com (Dick Kriesel)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 10:22:44 -0700
Subject: Variable Watcher disappeared
In-Reply-To: <A4DB77FB-CB62-487C-91C1-9C648AA37782@iotecdigital.com>
References: <A4DB77FB-CB62-487C-91C1-9C648AA37782@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <0CB5E66C-8681-4754-9418-E1E2B8183189@mail.com>

Hi, Bob. The bottom pane reappears to show search results, so search for something.
— Dick

> On Aug 8, 2023, at 9:28 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi all. 
> 
> Not sure how I did it but I can no longer see the variables while debugging. The bottom pane has disappeared and nothing I can find can get it back. Any ideas? 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Aug  8 13:28:31 2023
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 17:28:31 +0000
Subject: Variable Watcher disappeared
In-Reply-To: <0CB5E66C-8681-4754-9418-E1E2B8183189@mail.com>
References: <A4DB77FB-CB62-487C-91C1-9C648AA37782@iotecdigital.com>
 <0CB5E66C-8681-4754-9418-E1E2B8183189@mail.com>
Message-ID: <F83FBB64-0473-44F2-8237-95542ADC26CC@iotecdigital.com>

That was a good suggestion, but alas no cookie. The entire window is visible, but the handle to resize is not visible. The handle for the handlers pane is visible, but is lower than halfway down the window, clueing me into the likelihood that something has gone horribly awry with my script editor. Quitting and relaunching does not fix it. 

I checked the forums and bug reports, nothing I can find. I’ll contact support I guess. 

Bob S


> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:22 AM, Dick Kriesel via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi, Bob. The bottom pane reappears to show search results, so search for something.
> — Dick
> 
>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 9:28 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all. 
>> 
>> Not sure how I did it but I can no longer see the variables while debugging. The bottom pane has disappeared and nothing I can find can get it back. Any ideas? 
>> 
>> Bob S
>> 
>> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Aug  8 13:39:10 2023
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 17:39:10 +0000
Subject: Variable Watcher disappeared
In-Reply-To: <F83FBB64-0473-44F2-8237-95542ADC26CC@iotecdigital.com>
References: <A4DB77FB-CB62-487C-91C1-9C648AA37782@iotecdigital.com>
 <0CB5E66C-8681-4754-9418-E1E2B8183189@mail.com>
 <F83FBB64-0473-44F2-8237-95542ADC26CC@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <44FF4A7B-5381-4E21-99A6-D6E03F131205@iotecdigital.com>

Resetting prefs fixed it. Should be a better way than starting from scratch though. 

Bob S


> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:28 AM, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com> wrote:
> 
> That was a good suggestion, but alas no cookie. The entire window is visible, but the handle to resize is not visible. The handle for the handlers pane is visible, but is lower than halfway down the window, clueing me into the likelihood that something has gone horribly awry with my script editor. Quitting and relaunching does not fix it. 
> 
> I checked the forums and bug reports, nothing I can find. I’ll contact support I guess. 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:22 AM, Dick Kriesel via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, Bob. The bottom pane reappears to show search results, so search for something.
>> — Dick
>> 
>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 9:28 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all. 
>>> 
>>> Not sure how I did it but I can no longer see the variables while debugging. The bottom pane has disappeared and nothing I can find can get it back. Any ideas? 
>>> 
>>> Bob S
>>> 
>>> 
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From dsc at swcp.com  Tue Aug  8 13:41:30 2023
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 11:41:30 -0600
Subject: Color of text of the selected tab of Tab Panel
Message-ID: <431B5ABB-9316-40C8-BFB6-FAACFFD8F769@swcp.com>


I’m developing on a Mac. In order to change the color of the text on the selected tab of a Tab Panel I had to change backgroundColor. The seems weird. (I’ve been away, so I don’t remember how this should go).

However, the .exe on Windows shows that text the same color as on the other tabs. I set other color properties except foregroundColor to a variety of colors to see if any affected the color, but that text is still black. 

I would like for it to work the same on both Windows and Mac. I do want to strengthen the emphasis for the selected tab.

If need be, I can use a different method for the extra emphasis. 

I’d like to do it in a way that doesn’t break when any bugs are fixed.

Ideas?

Dar

From andrew at midwestcoastmedia.com  Tue Aug  8 13:56:16 2023
From: andrew at midwestcoastmedia.com (Andrew at MidWest Coast Media)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 13:56:16 -0400
Subject: Consumable In App Purchases on Android
In-Reply-To: <mailman.28.1691513283.100098.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.28.1691513283.100098.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <C0D6C806-D57D-40B1-9B40-76A1EA7C5805@midwestcoastmedia.com>

If I’m consuming instantly, this is the code working in my Android/iOS project with comment lines explaining the values being passed in the Android build (note that the product ID values are more specific for Android than iOS):

	if tPlatform = "android" then 
		 put "com.midwestcoastmedia.dj3pm." into tProductIDbase 
	 else if tPlatform = "iPhone" then 
		 put EMPTY into tProductIDbase 
	end if
	put tProductIDbase & pWhichProduct into tProductID

      mobileStoreEnablePurchaseUpdates
      ## mobileStoreSetProductType "com.midwestcoastmedia.dj3pm.tip01", "inapp"
      mobileStoreSetProductType tProductID, "inapp"
      ## mobileStoreMakePurchase "com.midwestcoastmedia.dj3pm.tip01", "1", "Thanks for the buck!"
      mobileStoreMakePurchase tProductID, "1", tMessage
      ## mobileStoreConsumePurchase "com.midwestcoastmedia.dj3pm.tip01"
      mobileStoreConsumePurchase tProductID
      put the result into tCatch 

BUT you’ll also need to implement the on purchaseStateUpdate handler to completely execute the purchase cycle. The lesson is sometimes hard to follow when Android changes their branding/naming but https://lessons.livecode.com/m/4069/l/184481-how-do-i-implement-in-app-purchases-in-livecode-google-play-store <https://lessons.livecode.com/m/4069/l/184481-how-do-i-implement-in-app-purchases-in-livecode-google-play-store> has a good example of this.

—Andrew Bell
      


> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Subject: Re: Consumable In App Purchases on Android
> Message-ID:
> 	<BYAPR12MB2709417D61C6292A2ABAB3D8B90DA at BYAPR12MB2709.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
> 	
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252"
> 
> Panos,
> 
> Thank you for the reply.   Unfortunately, this isn?t working for me? maybe I?m doing something wrong?  Product ID is ?1001?.  I was able to purchase that product no problem.  If I attempt to purchase it again, I get ?alreadyEntitled?.
> 
> In a button I put:
> 
> on mouseUp
>    mobileStoreConsumePurchase 1001
>    answer the result
> end mouseUp
> 
> The result is empty (I assume that is success).  Then, I attempt to purchase 1001 and again I get ?alreadyEntitled?.
> 
> I then tried (just guessing at what I need to do as the docs are very vague on how to use it):
> 
> on mouseUp
>    mobileStoreEnablePurchaseUpdates
>    mobileStoreSetProductType 1001,"inapp"
>    mobileStoreConsumePurchase 1001
>    answer the result
> end mouseUp
> 
> Again, result is empty and an attempt to purchase 1001 again, gets ?alreadyEntitled?.
> 
> What am I doing wrong?
> 
> -Dan
> 
> 
> 
> From: use-livecode <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com> on behalf of panagiotis m via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Date: Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 9:21 AM
> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Cc: panagiotis m <merakosp at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Consumable In App Purchases on Android
> Hello Dan,
> 
> I think Google no longer differentiates between consumables and
> non-consumables when setting up the in-app product - they are both marked
> as "In-App Products?. However, in LiveCode, you have to call
> mobileStoreConsumePurchase pProductID to be able to buy the product again -
> otherwise you get a "alreadyEntitled" status.
> 
> If you do this, and still get "alreadyEntitled", then you have to ensure
> that the pProductID param passed to mobileStoreConsumePurchase indeed
> matches exactly the product id of the product you set up in the google dev
> console.
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> Kind regards,
> Panos
> 
> On Tue, 8 Aug 2023 at 01:57, Dan Friedman via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> Does anyone have any experience with consumable in-app purchases on
>> Android?   I can?t seem to figure out how to (1) create a consumable
>> product, and (2) how to consume it.   mobileStoreConsumePurchase pProductID
>> doesn?t seem to function right? I get back a result that is ?true?, but
>> attempting to purchase the same product, returns ?alreadyEntitled?.
>> 
>> The ?How do I implement in-app purchases in LiveCode - Google Play Store??
>> lesson says:  click "In-App Products? and click ?Add new product?.  From
>> there, follow the instructions to create the type of in-app purchase you
>> wish to use.
>> 
>> In Google Play Console > Monitize > In-App Products > Create Product,
>> there isn?t a place to select the type of in-app purchase.
>> 
>> Any insight or instructions you may have would be greatly appreciated!!
>> 
>> -Dan
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Aug  8 13:59:28 2023
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 17:59:28 +0000
Subject: Color of text of the selected tab of Tab Panel
In-Reply-To: <431B5ABB-9316-40C8-BFB6-FAACFFD8F769@swcp.com>
References: <431B5ABB-9316-40C8-BFB6-FAACFFD8F769@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <6ACB00F6-8087-4125-851D-7F57BC78AE4E@iotecdigital.com>

Uurgh. I ran into this. It prompted me to create my own custom tab group around the tab widget. I overlayed buttons on the tab graphics, but the tricky part was getting the buttons to resize and reposition when new tabs were added. 

Bob S


> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:41 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> I’m developing on a Mac. In order to change the color of the text on the selected tab of a Tab Panel I had to change backgroundColor. The seems weird. (I’ve been away, so I don’t remember how this should go).
> 
> However, the .exe on Windows shows that text the same color as on the other tabs. I set other color properties except foregroundColor to a variety of colors to see if any affected the color, but that text is still black. 
> 
> I would like for it to work the same on both Windows and Mac. I do want to strengthen the emphasis for the selected tab.
> 
> If need be, I can use a different method for the extra emphasis. 
> 
> I’d like to do it in a way that doesn’t break when any bugs are fixed.
> 
> Ideas?
> 
> Dar
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From dsc at swcp.com  Tue Aug  8 14:14:41 2023
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 12:14:41 -0600
Subject: Rectangles on Windows?
Message-ID: <91D44125-B408-4F17-9E25-4E132B4B8409@swcp.com>


I have some rectangles that work just fine in development on my Mac.

However, there are problems in my Windows standalone. 

Not Showing Up
Two sets of rectangles are not visible in Windows. One set is opaque and one set is not. The opaque set is made visible or not invisible with a wipe effect. Both sets have a non-zero border thickness

Showing Up
Other rectangles have opaque true, backgroundColor red, and border thickness 0. They are visible on Windows. They are also within a group. These are made visible and not visible with a same wipe effect. 




From dsc at swcp.com  Tue Aug  8 14:25:01 2023
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 12:25:01 -0600
Subject: Color of text of the selected tab of Tab Panel
In-Reply-To: <6ACB00F6-8087-4125-851D-7F57BC78AE4E@iotecdigital.com>
References: <431B5ABB-9316-40C8-BFB6-FAACFFD8F769@swcp.com>
 <6ACB00F6-8087-4125-851D-7F57BC78AE4E@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <77ECCE23-267B-418B-8670-8533B7794D3A@swcp.com>

Thanks, Bob!

I am quite open to using a different tab control.

I might make my own  or  use another designer's tab control that fits in with the run-of-the-mill GUI. Hmmm, I’ve put some time into this look and feel, but I’m willing to consider a change, so I guess I should look at even exotic tab controls. 

In the mean time, I will try to set up something safe.

Dar

> On Aug 8, 2023, at 11:59 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Uurgh. I ran into this. It prompted me to create my own custom tab group around the tab widget. I overlayed buttons on the tab graphics, but the tricky part was getting the buttons to resize and reposition when new tabs were added. 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:41 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I’m developing on a Mac. In order to change the color of the text on the selected tab of a Tab Panel I had to change backgroundColor. The seems weird. (I’ve been away, so I don’t remember how this should go).
>> 
>> However, the .exe on Windows shows that text the same color as on the other tabs. I set other color properties except foregroundColor to a variety of colors to see if any affected the color, but that text is still black. 
>> 
>> I would like for it to work the same on both Windows and Mac. I do want to strengthen the emphasis for the selected tab.
>> 
>> If need be, I can use a different method for the extra emphasis. 
>> 
>> I’d like to do it in a way that doesn’t break when any bugs are fixed.
>> 
>> Ideas?
>> 
>> Dar
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From craig at starfirelighting.com  Tue Aug  8 15:13:47 2023
From: craig at starfirelighting.com (Craig Newman)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 15:13:47 -0400
Subject: Variable Watcher disappeared
In-Reply-To: <44FF4A7B-5381-4E21-99A6-D6E03F131205@iotecdigital.com>
References: <A4DB77FB-CB62-487C-91C1-9C648AA37782@iotecdigital.com>
 <0CB5E66C-8681-4754-9418-E1E2B8183189@mail.com>
 <F83FBB64-0473-44F2-8237-95542ADC26CC@iotecdigital.com>
 <44FF4A7B-5381-4E21-99A6-D6E03F131205@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <76E6D4CF-801E-423E-9D1C-1EFA59B09E8F@starfirelighting.com>

What happens if you set the top of the SE window a bit higher than current?

I have a gadget that locates the SE on my portrait monitor on command. I could easily make its top anything I want, and I bet that would display the hidden bottom of the window.

Craig

> On Aug 8, 2023, at 1:39 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Resetting prefs fixed it. Should be a better way than starting from scratch though. 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:28 AM, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com> wrote:
>> 
>> That was a good suggestion, but alas no cookie. The entire window is visible, but the handle to resize is not visible. The handle for the handlers pane is visible, but is lower than halfway down the window, clueing me into the likelihood that something has gone horribly awry with my script editor. Quitting and relaunching does not fix it. 
>> 
>> I checked the forums and bug reports, nothing I can find. I’ll contact support I guess. 
>> 
>> Bob S
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:22 AM, Dick Kriesel via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi, Bob. The bottom pane reappears to show search results, so search for something.
>>> — Dick
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 9:28 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi all. 
>>>> 
>>>> Not sure how I did it but I can no longer see the variables while debugging. The bottom pane has disappeared and nothing I can find can get it back. Any ideas? 
>>>> 
>>>> Bob S
>>>> 
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From dan at clearvisiontech.com  Tue Aug  8 15:51:08 2023
From: dan at clearvisiontech.com (Dan Friedman)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 19:51:08 +0000
Subject: Consumable In App Purchases on Android
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR12MB2709555BCD7C872960378DB0B90DA@BYAPR12MB2709.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
References: <mailman.28.1691513283.100098.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
 <C0D6C806-D57D-40B1-9B40-76A1EA7C5805@midwestcoastmedia.com>
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Message-ID: <BYAPR12MB2709E338CDFFB345DC95F728B90DA@BYAPR12MB2709.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>

Andrew,

Thank you for the input.   The code snippet you said you are using has mobileStoreConsumePurchase IMMEDIATELY following mobileStoreMakePurchase.  Is that what you are doing?   The LC example show that mobileStoreMakePurchase should be handled in the purchaseStateUpdate message after the purchase is paymentReceived”

If that’s true, then I feel like I’m doing exactly what you are suggesting.   The purchase is fine, but the consumption if not working for me.   Here’s what I’m doing:

on startInAppPurchase numCredits
  //setup purchase id
  if numCredits = 1 then
    put 1001 into productID
    put "$0.99" into productAmount
  else if numCredits = 2 then
    put 1002 into productID
    put "$1.99" into productAmount
  else if numCredits = 3 then
    put 1003 into productID
    put "$2.99" into productAmount
  else if numCredits = 11 then
    put 1011 into productID
    put "$9.99" into productAmount
  end if

  //confirm with user
  if numCredits = 1 then
    put "Are you sure you want to purchase 1 credit for" && productAmount & "?" into pString
  else
    put "Are you sure you want to purchase" && numCredits && "credits for" && productAmount & "?" into pString
  end if
  if myAnswer(pString,"Cancel|Buy Now","Purchase Confirmation","|appBlue") = "Cancel" then //my custom answer dialog
    exit startInAppPurchase
  end if

  //initiate the purchase
  mobileStoreEnablePurchaseUpdates
  mobileStoreSetProductType productID,"inapp"
  mobileStoreMakePurchase productID,"1","testPayload - Android Only"
end startInAppPurchase

on purchaseStateUpdate pPurchaseID,pProductID,pState
  global user

  switch pState
    case "paymentReceived"
      put mobilePurchaseGet(pPurchaseID,"receipt") into rawReciptData

      //tell our server is was sucessful and log users credits to database
      if isIPhone() then
        if db_validateAppleReceipt(rawReciptData) then
          add (pProductID-1000) to user["credits"]
        end if
      else
        //will add Android database call when ready
      end if

      mobileStoreConfirmPurchase pProductID //Inform the store that the purchase identifier productID was successfully delivered
      if isAndroid() then
        mobileStoreConsumePurchase pProductID. //  <--- DOES NOT SEEM TO CONSUME THE PRODUCT !!
      end if

      mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
      loadMeUp //refresh our display
      break
    case "error"
      answer "Error occured during purchase handling:" & return & return & mobileStorePurchaseError(pPurchaseID)
      mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
      break
    case "invalidSKU"
      answer "Invalid SKU."
      mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
      break
    case "alreadyEntitled"
      answer "Already Owned."
      mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
      break
    case "restored"
      answer "restored"
     offerPurchasedProduct pProductID
      mobileStoreConfirmPurchase pProductID
      mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates

      loadMeUp //refresh our display
      break
    case "canceled"
    case "cancelled"
      answer "Purchase Cancelled:" && pProductID
      mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
      break
  end switch
end purchaseStateUpdate



Do you see anything wonky in my code?

--Dan

From: use-livecode <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com> on behalf of Andrew at MidWest Coast Media via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Date: Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 10:57 AM
To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Cc: Andrew at MidWest Coast Media <andrew at midwestcoastmedia.com>
Subject: Re: Consumable In App Purchases on Android
If I’m consuming instantly, this is the code working in my Android/iOS project with comment lines explaining the values being passed in the Android build (note that the product ID values are more specific for Android than iOS):

        if tPlatform = "android" then
                 put "com.midwestcoastmedia.dj3pm." into tProductIDbase
         else if tPlatform = "iPhone" then
                 put EMPTY into tProductIDbase
        end if
        put tProductIDbase & pWhichProduct into tProductID

      mobileStoreEnablePurchaseUpdates
      ## mobileStoreSetProductType "com.midwestcoastmedia.dj3pm.tip01", "inapp"
      mobileStoreSetProductType tProductID, "inapp"
      ## mobileStoreMakePurchase "com.midwestcoastmedia.dj3pm.tip01", "1", "Thanks for the buck!"
      mobileStoreMakePurchase tProductID, "1", tMessage
      ## mobileStoreConsumePurchase "com.midwestcoastmedia.dj3pm.tip01"
      mobileStoreConsumePurchase tProductID
      put the result into tCatch

BUT you’ll also need to implement the on purchaseStateUpdate handler to completely execute the purchase cycle. The lesson is sometimes hard to follow when Android changes their branding/naming but https://lessons.livecode.com/m/4069/l/184481-how-do-i-implement-in-app-purchases-in-livecode-google-play-store <https://lessons.livecode.com/m/4069/l/184481-how-do-i-implement-in-app-purchases-in-livecode-google-play-store> has a good example of this.

—Andrew Bell

From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Aug  8 16:04:30 2023
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 20:04:30 +0000
Subject: Variable Watcher disappeared
In-Reply-To: <76E6D4CF-801E-423E-9D1C-1EFA59B09E8F@starfirelighting.com>
References: <A4DB77FB-CB62-487C-91C1-9C648AA37782@iotecdigital.com>
 <0CB5E66C-8681-4754-9418-E1E2B8183189@mail.com>
 <F83FBB64-0473-44F2-8237-95542ADC26CC@iotecdigital.com>
 <44FF4A7B-5381-4E21-99A6-D6E03F131205@iotecdigital.com>
 <76E6D4CF-801E-423E-9D1C-1EFA59B09E8F@starfirelighting.com>
Message-ID: <7347F88E-BCA8-4596-9A24-4A9E80C3368F@iotecdigital.com>

Didn’t try that. Too late now, I’m on new prefs, but if it happens again I’ll give it a try. I did drag the window to no effect, but I didn’t try resizing from the top.

Bob S


On Aug 8, 2023, at 12:13 PM, Craig Newman via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

What happens if you set the top of the SE window a bit higher than current?

I have a gadget that locates the SE on my portrait monitor on command. I could easily make its top anything I want, and I bet that would display the hidden bottom of the window.

Craig

On Aug 8, 2023, at 1:39 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com<mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:

Resetting prefs fixed it. Should be a better way than starting from scratch though.

Bob S


From marksmithhfx at gmail.com  Tue Aug  8 16:44:41 2023
From: marksmithhfx at gmail.com (Mark Smith)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 21:44:41 +0100
Subject: Variable Watcher disappeared
In-Reply-To: <7347F88E-BCA8-4596-9A24-4A9E80C3368F@iotecdigital.com>
References: <7347F88E-BCA8-4596-9A24-4A9E80C3368F@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <6764A36B-C213-4829-84E7-812E5D2DCAE2@gmail.com>

Bob, glad you were able to fix it. I wonder what caused it in the first place. Martin, an incredible list of ways to get windows back. Thanks for posting!!!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 8, 2023, at 9:05 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Didn’t try that. Too late now, I’m on new prefs, but if it happens again I’ll give it a try. I did drag the window to no effect, but I didn’t try resizing from the top.
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
> On Aug 8, 2023, at 12:13 PM, Craig Newman via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> What happens if you set the top of the SE window a bit higher than current?
> 
> I have a gadget that locates the SE on my portrait monitor on command. I could easily make its top anything I want, and I bet that would display the hidden bottom of the window.
> 
> Craig
> 
> On Aug 8, 2023, at 1:39 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com<mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
> 
> Resetting prefs fixed it. Should be a better way than starting from scratch though.
> 
> Bob S
> 
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From dsc at swcp.com  Tue Aug  8 18:45:19 2023
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 16:45:19 -0600
Subject: Unable to build for Mac: adding ad-hoc signature failed
In-Reply-To: <9EAE9EBA-219E-40F3-809A-AF9DB3636FA4@swcp.com>
References: <092054D1-2815-43AA-9869-4F67A1A545FD@swcp.com>
 <189d1f4b2b0.276f.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <791E7A1D-BB61-4C02-8D8B-F172C8C8AA88@swcp.com>
 <BCDED9A6-42C2-43F6-B54E-D9618E0F8BD6@iotecdigital.com>
 <189d5e89d78.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <656E739B-E786-4862-A0D0-54798D7A9CCF@swcp.com>
 <ED4B12E1-4688-4E95-B96E-143F91EBEBDB@swcp.com>
 <9EAE9EBA-219E-40F3-809A-AF9DB3636FA4@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <1668D981-FCD1-49FF-9000-443115BA0332@swcp.com>

I have a clue. I changed the build destination to a drive on my Mac. That seemed to have gotten past that error and I ran into other errors.

I guess building expects a drive on my Mac. And my Mac returns a bogus error message. 

I suggest one of these as an improvement to the build operation:

*   Complain and advise when the target is on a network drive.
*   Build the standalone in a temporary location on the local drive and then copy to the network drive when the target is on a network drive.

I got past that error, but now I am running into others. They look familiar. I think the problem is that I’m not remembering the magic steps related to saving, purging and so on. I’m not sure, since I can build for Windows. (I can probably stumble through what I did long, long ago, but might figure it out faster.) 

Suggestion:

*   I should not have to remember.

Thanks, everybody, for your help!

Dar

> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:47 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Oh, and I’m building from a network drive.
> 
> 
>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:41 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> xcode-select -p
>> /Library/Developer/CommandLineTools
>> 
>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:19 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I removed all inclusions. I opted to remove all profiles, probably none. There are no Copy Files. I’m building for Intel only. 
>>> 
>>> For PLIST I chose Chose a PLIST and then clicked Use None.
>>> 
>>> I set my bundle identifier and have not changed that among my attempts. I left all of the other Version Information as default. 
>>> 
>>> I have no Icons added.
>>> 
>>> I get the same error.
>>> 
>>> Dar
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:08 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Signing happens after the app is built and is a manual process, so yours isn't signed /notarized yet. But unsigned apps run on the development machine anyway, so I'd say you built the app successfully.
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>>> On August 8, 2023 10:47:34 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I have, but I don’t do any signing or notarizing. If that happens transparently, then it’s working for me.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Bob S
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 6:59 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks, Jacque!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> That gives me a clue. I will try to get more info on this.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> However, that note shows how to delete the offending resource using the xattr tool, but I have no app to point it to. LiveCode did not build anything.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I’m willing to try some magic values in Standalone Application Settings.
>>>>>> 	I’m using LiveCode 9.6.9, but I’m willing to upgrade.
>>>>>> 	I’m on macOS Ventura.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Has anyone successfully built a Mac application recently?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Dar
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Aug 7, 2023, at 3:43 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> This might help:
>>>>>>> <https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/qa/qa1940/_index.html>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>>> On August 7, 2023 12:49:03 PM Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I’m having trouble building an application for Mac Intel.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> The first time LiveCode crashed.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Subsequent times, I get this error:
>>>>>>>> There was an error while saving the standalone application
>>>>>>>> Adding ad-hoc signature failed with error:
>>>>>>>> /…/myProgram.app:
>>>>>>>> Replacing existing signature
>>>>>>>> /…/myProgram.app:
>>>>>>>> Resource for, Finder information, or similar detritus not
>>>>>>>> Allowed
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I tried fiddling with the PLIST settings without success.
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>>>>>>> 
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From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Tue Aug  8 19:13:15 2023
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2023 01:13:15 +0200
Subject: Unable to build for Mac: adding ad-hoc signature failed
In-Reply-To: <1668D981-FCD1-49FF-9000-443115BA0332@swcp.com>
References: <092054D1-2815-43AA-9869-4F67A1A545FD@swcp.com>
 <189d1f4b2b0.276f.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <791E7A1D-BB61-4C02-8D8B-F172C8C8AA88@swcp.com>
 <BCDED9A6-42C2-43F6-B54E-D9618E0F8BD6@iotecdigital.com>
 <189d5e89d78.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <656E739B-E786-4862-A0D0-54798D7A9CCF@swcp.com>
 <ED4B12E1-4688-4E95-B96E-143F91EBEBDB@swcp.com>
 <9EAE9EBA-219E-40F3-809A-AF9DB3636FA4@swcp.com>
 <1668D981-FCD1-49FF-9000-443115BA0332@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <82E6090C-9B49-4F7E-98AF-5B6F66DD18D4@m-r-d.de>

Hi Dar,

just a shot in the dark....

For some time now Livecode does an adhoc code signing when creating a macOS standalone. So therefore the Xcode command line tools have to be installed.
In case you have installed more than one versions of Xcode on your system, did you select in Xcode preferences the correct Xcode standalone tools that shall be used?

Regards,
Matthias


> Am 09.08.2023 um 00:45 schrieb Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> I have a clue. I changed the build destination to a drive on my Mac. That seemed to have gotten past that error and I ran into other errors.
> 
> I guess building expects a drive on my Mac. And my Mac returns a bogus error message. 
> 
> I suggest one of these as an improvement to the build operation:
> 
> *   Complain and advise when the target is on a network drive.
> *   Build the standalone in a temporary location on the local drive and then copy to the network drive when the target is on a network drive.
> 
> I got past that error, but now I am running into others. They look familiar. I think the problem is that I’m not remembering the magic steps related to saving, purging and so on. I’m not sure, since I can build for Windows. (I can probably stumble through what I did long, long ago, but might figure it out faster.) 
> 
> Suggestion:
> 
> *   I should not have to remember.
> 
> Thanks, everybody, for your help!
> 
> Dar
> 
>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:47 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Oh, and I’m building from a network drive.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:41 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> xcode-select -p
>>> /Library/Developer/CommandLineTools
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:19 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I removed all inclusions. I opted to remove all profiles, probably none. There are no Copy Files. I’m building for Intel only. 
>>>> 
>>>> For PLIST I chose Chose a PLIST and then clicked Use None.
>>>> 
>>>> I set my bundle identifier and have not changed that among my attempts. I left all of the other Version Information as default. 
>>>> 
>>>> I have no Icons added.
>>>> 
>>>> I get the same error.
>>>> 
>>>> Dar
>>>> 
>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:08 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Signing happens after the app is built and is a manual process, so yours isn't signed /notarized yet. But unsigned apps run on the development machine anyway, so I'd say you built the app successfully.
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>>>> On August 8, 2023 10:47:34 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I have, but I don’t do any signing or notarizing. If that happens transparently, then it’s working for me.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Bob S
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 6:59 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thanks, Jacque!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> That gives me a clue. I will try to get more info on this.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> However, that note shows how to delete the offending resource using the xattr tool, but I have no app to point it to. LiveCode did not build anything.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I’m willing to try some magic values in Standalone Application Settings.
>>>>>>> 	I’m using LiveCode 9.6.9, but I’m willing to upgrade.
>>>>>>> 	I’m on macOS Ventura.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Has anyone successfully built a Mac application recently?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Dar
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Aug 7, 2023, at 3:43 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> This might help:
>>>>>>>> <https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/qa/qa1940/_index.html>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>>>> On August 7, 2023 12:49:03 PM Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I’m having trouble building an application for Mac Intel.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> The first time LiveCode crashed.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Subsequent times, I get this error:
>>>>>>>>> There was an error while saving the standalone application
>>>>>>>>> Adding ad-hoc signature failed with error:
>>>>>>>>> /…/myProgram.app:
>>>>>>>>> Replacing existing signature
>>>>>>>>> /…/myProgram.app:
>>>>>>>>> Resource for, Finder information, or similar detritus not
>>>>>>>>> Allowed
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I tried fiddling with the PLIST settings without success.
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>>>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>>>>>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Aug  8 19:15:08 2023
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 23:15:08 +0000
Subject: Sorting Arrays
Message-ID: <F45E93C0-C185-4E9D-99AC-7136847CC350@iotecdigital.com>

Has anyone come across a need to sort a numbered array by the values of the different keys? Here you go. Keep in mind that there is no error checking so I have no idea what would happen if you provided a sort key that didn’t exist in the array. 

on sortNumberedArray @pArrayDataA, pSortKeys
   /*
   Provide a numbered array of key value pairs and a comma delimited list of the sort order you want. 
   Ex. "filename,version numeric descending". 
   The result will be numbered array resorted by the sort order you provide. 
   */
   put the keys of pArrayDataA into tKeyList
   sort tKeyList numeric ascending
   put the number of items of pSortKeys into tSortKeyCount
   
   -- convert the sort keys to an array
   repeat with i = the number of items of pSortKeys down to 1
      put item i of pSortKeys into tSortIndex
      
      repeat with x = the number of words of tSortIndex down to 1
         put word x of tSortIndex into tKeyWord
         
         switch 
            case tKeyWord is among the items of "asc,ascending,desc,descending"
               put tKeyWord into tSortKeysA [i] ["sortorder"] 
               break
            case tKeyWord is "International,Numeric,datetime,text,binary"
               put tKeyWord into tSortKeysA [i] ["sorttype"]
               break
            default
               put word 1 to x of tSortIndex into tSortKeysA [i] ["sortvalue"]
         end switch
      end repeat
   end repeat
   
   -- build a comma delimited list of sort keys from the passed array
   put the keys of pArrayDataA into tInputKeyList
   sort tInputKeyList numeric ascending
   repeat for each line tLine in tInputKeyList
      put the keys of tSortKeysA into tSortKeyList
      sort lines of tSortKeyList numeric
      repeat for each line tSortLine in tSortKeyList
         put tSortKeysA [tSortLine] ["sortvalue"] into tSortValue
         put pArrayDataA [tLine] [tSortValue] into item tSortLine of line tLine of tSortValueList
      end repeat
      put "," & tLine after tSortValueList 
   end repeat
   
   -- sort the list
   put the keys of tSortKeysA into tSortKeyList
   sort tSortKeyList numeric descending
   repeat for each line tKey in tSortKeyList
      put "sort lines of tSortValueList" && tSortKeysA [tKey] ["sortorder"] && tSortKeysA [tKey] ["sorttype"] && \
            "by item" && tkey && "of each" into tSortCommand
      do tSortCommand
   end repeat
   
   -- convert the list back to an array
   repeat for each line tLine in tSortValueList
      add 1 to tArrayCounter
      put item -1 of tLine into tArrayIndex
      put pArrayDataA [tArrayIndex] into tOutArrayA [tArrayCounter]
   end repeat
   
   put tOutArrayA into pArrayDataA
end sortNumberedArray

Bob S


From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Wed Aug  9 01:32:30 2023
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2023 07:32:30 +0200
Subject: Unable to build for Mac: adding ad-hoc signature failed
In-Reply-To: <82E6090C-9B49-4F7E-98AF-5B6F66DD18D4@m-r-d.de>
References: <092054D1-2815-43AA-9869-4F67A1A545FD@swcp.com>
 <189d1f4b2b0.276f.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <791E7A1D-BB61-4C02-8D8B-F172C8C8AA88@swcp.com>
 <BCDED9A6-42C2-43F6-B54E-D9618E0F8BD6@iotecdigital.com>
 <189d5e89d78.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <656E739B-E786-4862-A0D0-54798D7A9CCF@swcp.com>
 <ED4B12E1-4688-4E95-B96E-143F91EBEBDB@swcp.com>
 <9EAE9EBA-219E-40F3-809A-AF9DB3636FA4@swcp.com>
 <1668D981-FCD1-49FF-9000-443115BA0332@swcp.com>
 <82E6090C-9B49-4F7E-98AF-5B6F66DD18D4@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <C9A94B80-2A25-4E75-A978-38F82CDC25FD@m-r-d.de>

Forgot my answer, i just saw your post that your error where caused because of building to a network drive.

I had similar problems btw. in the past when building to a dropbox folder or a folder that was synchronized with iCloud.

Regards,
Matthias



> Am 09.08.2023 um 01:13 schrieb matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de:
> 
> Hi Dar,
> 
> just a shot in the dark....
> 
> For some time now Livecode does an adhoc code signing when creating a macOS standalone. So therefore the Xcode command line tools have to be installed.
> In case you have installed more than one versions of Xcode on your system, did you select in Xcode preferences the correct Xcode standalone tools that shall be used?
> 
> Regards,
> Matthias
> 
> 
>> Am 09.08.2023 um 00:45 schrieb Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>> 
>> I have a clue. I changed the build destination to a drive on my Mac. That seemed to have gotten past that error and I ran into other errors.
>> 
>> I guess building expects a drive on my Mac. And my Mac returns a bogus error message. 
>> 
>> I suggest one of these as an improvement to the build operation:
>> 
>> *   Complain and advise when the target is on a network drive.
>> *   Build the standalone in a temporary location on the local drive and then copy to the network drive when the target is on a network drive.
>> 
>> I got past that error, but now I am running into others. They look familiar. I think the problem is that I’m not remembering the magic steps related to saving, purging and so on. I’m not sure, since I can build for Windows. (I can probably stumble through what I did long, long ago, but might figure it out faster.) 
>> 
>> Suggestion:
>> 
>> *   I should not have to remember.
>> 
>> Thanks, everybody, for your help!
>> 
>> Dar
>> 
>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:47 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Oh, and I’m building from a network drive.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:41 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> xcode-select -p
>>>> /Library/Developer/CommandLineTools
>>>> 
>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:19 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I removed all inclusions. I opted to remove all profiles, probably none. There are no Copy Files. I’m building for Intel only. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> For PLIST I chose Chose a PLIST and then clicked Use None.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I set my bundle identifier and have not changed that among my attempts. I left all of the other Version Information as default. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have no Icons added.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I get the same error.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Dar
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:08 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Signing happens after the app is built and is a manual process, so yours isn't signed /notarized yet. But unsigned apps run on the development machine anyway, so I'd say you built the app successfully.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>> On August 8, 2023 10:47:34 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I have, but I don’t do any signing or notarizing. If that happens transparently, then it’s working for me.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Bob S
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 6:59 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Thanks, Jacque!
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> That gives me a clue. I will try to get more info on this.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> However, that note shows how to delete the offending resource using the xattr tool, but I have no app to point it to. LiveCode did not build anything.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I’m willing to try some magic values in Standalone Application Settings.
>>>>>>>> 	I’m using LiveCode 9.6.9, but I’m willing to upgrade.
>>>>>>>> 	I’m on macOS Ventura.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Has anyone successfully built a Mac application recently?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Dar
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Aug 7, 2023, at 3:43 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> This might help:
>>>>>>>>> <https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/qa/qa1940/_index.html>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>>>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>>>>> On August 7, 2023 12:49:03 PM Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I’m having trouble building an application for Mac Intel.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> The first time LiveCode crashed.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Subsequent times, I get this error:
>>>>>>>>>> There was an error while saving the standalone application
>>>>>>>>>> Adding ad-hoc signature failed with error:
>>>>>>>>>> /…/myProgram.app:
>>>>>>>>>> Replacing existing signature
>>>>>>>>>> /…/myProgram.app:
>>>>>>>>>> Resource for, Finder information, or similar detritus not
>>>>>>>>>> Allowed
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I tried fiddling with the PLIST settings without success.
>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>>>>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>>>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>>>>>>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>>>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>>>>>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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>>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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From merakosp at gmail.com  Wed Aug  9 04:04:45 2023
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis m)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2023 11:04:45 +0300
Subject: Unable to build for Mac: adding ad-hoc signature failed
In-Reply-To: <C9A94B80-2A25-4E75-A978-38F82CDC25FD@m-r-d.de>
References: <092054D1-2815-43AA-9869-4F67A1A545FD@swcp.com>
 <189d1f4b2b0.276f.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <791E7A1D-BB61-4C02-8D8B-F172C8C8AA88@swcp.com>
 <BCDED9A6-42C2-43F6-B54E-D9618E0F8BD6@iotecdigital.com>
 <189d5e89d78.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <656E739B-E786-4862-A0D0-54798D7A9CCF@swcp.com>
 <ED4B12E1-4688-4E95-B96E-143F91EBEBDB@swcp.com>
 <9EAE9EBA-219E-40F3-809A-AF9DB3636FA4@swcp.com>
 <1668D981-FCD1-49FF-9000-443115BA0332@swcp.com>
 <82E6090C-9B49-4F7E-98AF-5B6F66DD18D4@m-r-d.de>
 <C9A94B80-2A25-4E75-A978-38F82CDC25FD@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq8AHE26-qcp8ZrLY6_NiE3_3Swo8Hj0icA3A+m2DSNOcQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Dar,

I can successfully build a Mac standalone in a network drive.

The error you are getting indicates that the app the standalone builder
tries to codesign, has some extended attributes. This is strange, because
the standalone builder does this very thing (i.e. it clears the extended
attributes) just before the codesign command.

I am wondering - do you get the same error when trying to build a
standalone from a new simple stack? Or does that happen only with a
specific stack? If the latter, does this stack contain anything in the Copy
Files?

Kind regards,
Panos

On Wed, 9 Aug 2023 at 08:33, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Forgot my answer, i just saw your post that your error where caused
> because of building to a network drive.
>
> I had similar problems btw. in the past when building to a dropbox folder
> or a folder that was synchronized with iCloud.
>
> Regards,
> Matthias
>
>
>
> > Am 09.08.2023 um 01:13 schrieb matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de:
> >
> > Hi Dar,
> >
> > just a shot in the dark....
> >
> > For some time now Livecode does an adhoc code signing when creating a
> macOS standalone. So therefore the Xcode command line tools have to be
> installed.
> > In case you have installed more than one versions of Xcode on your
> system, did you select in Xcode preferences the correct Xcode standalone
> tools that shall be used?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Matthias
> >
> >
> >> Am 09.08.2023 um 00:45 schrieb Dar Scott via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> >>
> >> I have a clue. I changed the build destination to a drive on my Mac.
> That seemed to have gotten past that error and I ran into other errors.
> >>
> >> I guess building expects a drive on my Mac. And my Mac returns a bogus
> error message.
> >>
> >> I suggest one of these as an improvement to the build operation:
> >>
> >> *   Complain and advise when the target is on a network drive.
> >> *   Build the standalone in a temporary location on the local drive and
> then copy to the network drive when the target is on a network drive.
> >>
> >> I got past that error, but now I am running into others. They look
> familiar. I think the problem is that I’m not remembering the magic steps
> related to saving, purging and so on. I’m not sure, since I can build for
> Windows. (I can probably stumble through what I did long, long ago, but
> might figure it out faster.)
> >>
> >> Suggestion:
> >>
> >> *   I should not have to remember.
> >>
> >> Thanks, everybody, for your help!
> >>
> >> Dar
> >>
> >>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:47 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Oh, and I’m building from a network drive.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:41 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> xcode-select -p
> >>>> /Library/Developer/CommandLineTools
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:19 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I removed all inclusions. I opted to remove all profiles, probably
> none. There are no Copy Files. I’m building for Intel only.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> For PLIST I chose Chose a PLIST and then clicked Use None.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I set my bundle identifier and have not changed that among my
> attempts. I left all of the other Version Information as default.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I have no Icons added.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I get the same error.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Dar
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:08 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Signing happens after the app is built and is a manual process, so
> yours isn't signed /notarized yet. But unsigned apps run on the development
> machine anyway, so I'd say you built the app successfully.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> >>>>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> >>>>>> On August 8, 2023 10:47:34 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I have, but I don’t do any signing or notarizing. If that happens
> transparently, then it’s working for me.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Bob S
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 6:59 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Thanks, Jacque!
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> That gives me a clue. I will try to get more info on this.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> However, that note shows how to delete the offending resource
> using the xattr tool, but I have no app to point it to. LiveCode did not
> build anything.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I’m willing to try some magic values in Standalone Application
> Settings.
> >>>>>>>>        I’m using LiveCode 9.6.9, but I’m willing to upgrade.
> >>>>>>>>        I’m on macOS Ventura.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Has anyone successfully built a Mac application recently?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Dar
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Aug 7, 2023, at 3:43 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> This might help:
> >>>>>>>>> <
> https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/qa/qa1940/_index.html>
> >>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> >>>>>>>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> >>>>>>>>> On August 7, 2023 12:49:03 PM Dar Scott via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I’m having trouble building an application for Mac Intel.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> The first time LiveCode crashed.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Subsequent times, I get this error:
> >>>>>>>>>> There was an error while saving the standalone application
> >>>>>>>>>> Adding ad-hoc signature failed with error:
> >>>>>>>>>> /…/myProgram.app:
> >>>>>>>>>> Replacing existing signature
> >>>>>>>>>> /…/myProgram.app:
> >>>>>>>>>> Resource for, Finder information, or similar detritus not
> >>>>>>>>>> Allowed
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I tried fiddling with the PLIST settings without success.
> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>>>>>>> use-livecode mailing list
> >>>>>>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >>>>>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> >>>>>>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>>>>>> use-livecode mailing list
> >>>>>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >>>>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> >>>>>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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> >>>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
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From merakosp at gmail.com  Wed Aug  9 04:37:42 2023
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis m)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2023 11:37:42 +0300
Subject: Consumable In App Purchases on Android
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR12MB2709E338CDFFB345DC95F728B90DA@BYAPR12MB2709.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
References: <mailman.28.1691513283.100098.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
 <C0D6C806-D57D-40B1-9B40-76A1EA7C5805@midwestcoastmedia.com>
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Message-ID: <CA+JfEq9d7pXrAZ5t0OW+o20a=uhDkZVX0pR03Cp6jowquNxb9Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Dan,

The call to mobileStoreConfirmPurchase pProductID  causes the
purchaseStateUpdate message to be sent again with status=complete.

So I would not suggest putting the call to mobileStoreConsumePurchase
pProductID just after mobileStoreConfirmPurchase.

You could either put it in a separate button and see if it works, otherwise
add a [case "complete"] in the purchaseStateUpdate msg and there consume
the product and disable purchase updates, i.e.:

on purchaseStateUpdate pPurchaseID, pProductID, pState
   switch pState
      case "paymentReceived"
         answer "Payment received!"
         offerPurchasedProduct pProductID
         mobileStoreConfirmPurchase pProductID
         break
      case "error"
         answer "Error occured during purchase handling:" & return & return
& mobileStorePurchaseError(pPurchaseID)
         mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
         break
      case "invalidSKU"
         answer "Invalid SKU."
         mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
         break
      case "alreadyEntitled"
         answer "Already Owned."
         mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
         break
      case "restored"
         put "Restored: " & pProductID & cr after field "restored"
         offerPurchasedProduct pProductID
         mobileStoreConfirmPurchase pProductID
         break
      case "cancelled"
         answer "Purchase Cancelled:" && pProductID
         mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
         break
      case "complete"
         answer "Purchase Complete:" && pProductID
         mobileStoreConsumePurchase pProductID  // <-- ADD THIS HERE
         mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
         break
   end switch
end purchaseStateUpdate

Hope this helps.

Kind regards,
Panos
--



On Tue, 8 Aug 2023 at 22:52, Dan Friedman via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Andrew,
>
> Thank you for the input.   The code snippet you said you are using has
> mobileStoreConsumePurchase IMMEDIATELY following mobileStoreMakePurchase.
> Is that what you are doing?   The LC example show that
> mobileStoreMakePurchase should be handled in the purchaseStateUpdate
> message after the purchase is paymentReceived”
>
> If that’s true, then I feel like I’m doing exactly what you are
> suggesting.   The purchase is fine, but the consumption if not working for
> me.   Here’s what I’m doing:
>
> on startInAppPurchase numCredits
>   //setup purchase id
>   if numCredits = 1 then
>     put 1001 into productID
>     put "$0.99" into productAmount
>   else if numCredits = 2 then
>     put 1002 into productID
>     put "$1.99" into productAmount
>   else if numCredits = 3 then
>     put 1003 into productID
>     put "$2.99" into productAmount
>   else if numCredits = 11 then
>     put 1011 into productID
>     put "$9.99" into productAmount
>   end if
>
>   //confirm with user
>   if numCredits = 1 then
>     put "Are you sure you want to purchase 1 credit for" && productAmount
> & "?" into pString
>   else
>     put "Are you sure you want to purchase" && numCredits && "credits for"
> && productAmount & "?" into pString
>   end if
>   if myAnswer(pString,"Cancel|Buy Now","Purchase Confirmation","|appBlue")
> = "Cancel" then //my custom answer dialog
>     exit startInAppPurchase
>   end if
>
>   //initiate the purchase
>   mobileStoreEnablePurchaseUpdates
>   mobileStoreSetProductType productID,"inapp"
>   mobileStoreMakePurchase productID,"1","testPayload - Android Only"
> end startInAppPurchase
>
> on purchaseStateUpdate pPurchaseID,pProductID,pState
>   global user
>
>   switch pState
>     case "paymentReceived"
>       put mobilePurchaseGet(pPurchaseID,"receipt") into rawReciptData
>
>       //tell our server is was sucessful and log users credits to database
>       if isIPhone() then
>         if db_validateAppleReceipt(rawReciptData) then
>           add (pProductID-1000) to user["credits"]
>         end if
>       else
>         //will add Android database call when ready
>       end if
>
>       mobileStoreConfirmPurchase pProductID //Inform the store that the
> purchase identifier productID was successfully delivered
>       if isAndroid() then
>         mobileStoreConsumePurchase pProductID. //  <--- DOES NOT SEEM TO
> CONSUME THE PRODUCT !!
>       end if
>
>       mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
>       loadMeUp //refresh our display
>       break
>     case "error"
>       answer "Error occured during purchase handling:" & return & return &
> mobileStorePurchaseError(pPurchaseID)
>       mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
>       break
>     case "invalidSKU"
>       answer "Invalid SKU."
>       mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
>       break
>     case "alreadyEntitled"
>       answer "Already Owned."
>       mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
>       break
>     case "restored"
>       answer "restored"
>      offerPurchasedProduct pProductID
>       mobileStoreConfirmPurchase pProductID
>       mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
>
>       loadMeUp //refresh our display
>       break
>     case "canceled"
>     case "cancelled"
>       answer "Purchase Cancelled:" && pProductID
>       mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
>       break
>   end switch
> end purchaseStateUpdate
>
>
>
> Do you see anything wonky in my code?
>
> --Dan
>
> From: use-livecode <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com> on behalf of
> Andrew at MidWest Coast Media via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Date: Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 10:57 AM
> To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Cc: Andrew at MidWest Coast Media <andrew at midwestcoastmedia.com>
> Subject: Re: Consumable In App Purchases on Android
> If I’m consuming instantly, this is the code working in my Android/iOS
> project with comment lines explaining the values being passed in the
> Android build (note that the product ID values are more specific for
> Android than iOS):
>
>         if tPlatform = "android" then
>                  put "com.midwestcoastmedia.dj3pm." into tProductIDbase
>          else if tPlatform = "iPhone" then
>                  put EMPTY into tProductIDbase
>         end if
>         put tProductIDbase & pWhichProduct into tProductID
>
>       mobileStoreEnablePurchaseUpdates
>       ## mobileStoreSetProductType "com.midwestcoastmedia.dj3pm.tip01",
> "inapp"
>       mobileStoreSetProductType tProductID, "inapp"
>       ## mobileStoreMakePurchase "com.midwestcoastmedia.dj3pm.tip01", "1",
> "Thanks for the buck!"
>       mobileStoreMakePurchase tProductID, "1", tMessage
>       ## mobileStoreConsumePurchase "com.midwestcoastmedia.dj3pm.tip01"
>       mobileStoreConsumePurchase tProductID
>       put the result into tCatch
>
> BUT you’ll also need to implement the on purchaseStateUpdate handler to
> completely execute the purchase cycle. The lesson is sometimes hard to
> follow when Android changes their branding/naming but
> https://lessons.livecode.com/m/4069/l/184481-how-do-i-implement-in-app-purchases-in-livecode-google-play-store
> <
> https://lessons.livecode.com/m/4069/l/184481-how-do-i-implement-in-app-purchases-in-livecode-google-play-store>
> has a good example of this.
>
> —Andrew Bell
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From dsc at swcp.com  Wed Aug  9 07:55:21 2023
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2023 05:55:21 -0600
Subject: Unable to build for Mac: adding ad-hoc signature failed
In-Reply-To: <82E6090C-9B49-4F7E-98AF-5B6F66DD18D4@m-r-d.de>
References: <092054D1-2815-43AA-9869-4F67A1A545FD@swcp.com>
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Message-ID: <225B24AD-0BCA-4A06-90E1-53374E16FCD4@swcp.com>

I don’t know what I did. Building for Mac Intel works just fine. I’ll add my inclusions and such.

I don’t have Xcode on this system. Perhaps there are some command line tools suitable that come with macOS. 

I still feel defensive that Mac said “detritus”. ;-)

> On Aug 8, 2023, at 5:13 PM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Dar,
> 
> just a shot in the dark....
> 
> For some time now Livecode does an adhoc code signing when creating a macOS standalone. So therefore the Xcode command line tools have to be installed.
> In case you have installed more than one versions of Xcode on your system, did you select in Xcode preferences the correct Xcode standalone tools that shall be used?
> 
> Regards,
> Matthias
> 
> 
>> Am 09.08.2023 um 00:45 schrieb Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>> 
>> I have a clue. I changed the build destination to a drive on my Mac. That seemed to have gotten past that error and I ran into other errors.
>> 
>> I guess building expects a drive on my Mac. And my Mac returns a bogus error message. 
>> 
>> I suggest one of these as an improvement to the build operation:
>> 
>> *   Complain and advise when the target is on a network drive.
>> *   Build the standalone in a temporary location on the local drive and then copy to the network drive when the target is on a network drive.
>> 
>> I got past that error, but now I am running into others. They look familiar. I think the problem is that I’m not remembering the magic steps related to saving, purging and so on. I’m not sure, since I can build for Windows. (I can probably stumble through what I did long, long ago, but might figure it out faster.) 
>> 
>> Suggestion:
>> 
>> *   I should not have to remember.
>> 
>> Thanks, everybody, for your help!
>> 
>> Dar
>> 
>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:47 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Oh, and I’m building from a network drive.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:41 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> xcode-select -p
>>>> /Library/Developer/CommandLineTools
>>>> 
>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:19 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I removed all inclusions. I opted to remove all profiles, probably none. There are no Copy Files. I’m building for Intel only. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> For PLIST I chose Chose a PLIST and then clicked Use None.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I set my bundle identifier and have not changed that among my attempts. I left all of the other Version Information as default. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have no Icons added.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I get the same error.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Dar
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:08 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Signing happens after the app is built and is a manual process, so yours isn't signed /notarized yet. But unsigned apps run on the development machine anyway, so I'd say you built the app successfully.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>> On August 8, 2023 10:47:34 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I have, but I don’t do any signing or notarizing. If that happens transparently, then it’s working for me.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Bob S
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 6:59 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Thanks, Jacque!
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> That gives me a clue. I will try to get more info on this.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> However, that note shows how to delete the offending resource using the xattr tool, but I have no app to point it to. LiveCode did not build anything.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I’m willing to try some magic values in Standalone Application Settings.
>>>>>>>> 	I’m using LiveCode 9.6.9, but I’m willing to upgrade.
>>>>>>>> 	I’m on macOS Ventura.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Has anyone successfully built a Mac application recently?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Dar
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Aug 7, 2023, at 3:43 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> This might help:
>>>>>>>>> <https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/qa/qa1940/_index.html>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>>>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>>>>> On August 7, 2023 12:49:03 PM Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I’m having trouble building an application for Mac Intel.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> The first time LiveCode crashed.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Subsequent times, I get this error:
>>>>>>>>>> There was an error while saving the standalone application
>>>>>>>>>> Adding ad-hoc signature failed with error:
>>>>>>>>>> /…/myProgram.app:
>>>>>>>>>> Replacing existing signature
>>>>>>>>>> /…/myProgram.app:
>>>>>>>>>> Resource for, Finder information, or similar detritus not
>>>>>>>>>> Allowed
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I tried fiddling with the PLIST settings without success.
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>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
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From dsc at swcp.com  Wed Aug  9 08:17:14 2023
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2023 06:17:14 -0600
Subject: Unable to build for Mac: adding ad-hoc signature failed
In-Reply-To: <225B24AD-0BCA-4A06-90E1-53374E16FCD4@swcp.com>
References: <092054D1-2815-43AA-9869-4F67A1A545FD@swcp.com>
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Whoops, I sent the most recent before I saw that Panos had responded.

Panos, yes, a build to the network drive with a minimal stack has the error. This minimal stack has a name of Test, no inclusions, no copy files.

The drive provides SMB, AFP and NFS services.

Dar

> On Aug 9, 2023, at 5:55 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I don’t know what I did. Building for Mac Intel works just fine. I’ll add my inclusions and such.
> 
> I don’t have Xcode on this system. Perhaps there are some command line tools suitable that come with macOS. 
> 
> I still feel defensive that Mac said “detritus”. ;-)
> 
>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 5:13 PM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Dar,
>> 
>> just a shot in the dark....
>> 
>> For some time now Livecode does an adhoc code signing when creating a macOS standalone. So therefore the Xcode command line tools have to be installed.
>> In case you have installed more than one versions of Xcode on your system, did you select in Xcode preferences the correct Xcode standalone tools that shall be used?
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Matthias
>> 
>> 
>>> Am 09.08.2023 um 00:45 schrieb Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>> 
>>> I have a clue. I changed the build destination to a drive on my Mac. That seemed to have gotten past that error and I ran into other errors.
>>> 
>>> I guess building expects a drive on my Mac. And my Mac returns a bogus error message. 
>>> 
>>> I suggest one of these as an improvement to the build operation:
>>> 
>>> *   Complain and advise when the target is on a network drive.
>>> *   Build the standalone in a temporary location on the local drive and then copy to the network drive when the target is on a network drive.
>>> 
>>> I got past that error, but now I am running into others. They look familiar. I think the problem is that I’m not remembering the magic steps related to saving, purging and so on. I’m not sure, since I can build for Windows. (I can probably stumble through what I did long, long ago, but might figure it out faster.) 
>>> 
>>> Suggestion:
>>> 
>>> *   I should not have to remember.
>>> 
>>> Thanks, everybody, for your help!
>>> 
>>> Dar
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:47 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Oh, and I’m building from a network drive.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:41 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> xcode-select -p
>>>>> /Library/Developer/CommandLineTools
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:19 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I removed all inclusions. I opted to remove all profiles, probably none. There are no Copy Files. I’m building for Intel only. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> For PLIST I chose Chose a PLIST and then clicked Use None.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I set my bundle identifier and have not changed that among my attempts. I left all of the other Version Information as default. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I have no Icons added.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I get the same error.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Dar
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:08 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Signing happens after the app is built and is a manual process, so yours isn't signed /notarized yet. But unsigned apps run on the development machine anyway, so I'd say you built the app successfully.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>>> On August 8, 2023 10:47:34 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I have, but I don’t do any signing or notarizing. If that happens transparently, then it’s working for me.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Bob S
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 6:59 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Thanks, Jacque!
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> That gives me a clue. I will try to get more info on this.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> However, that note shows how to delete the offending resource using the xattr tool, but I have no app to point it to. LiveCode did not build anything.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I’m willing to try some magic values in Standalone Application Settings.
>>>>>>>>> 	I’m using LiveCode 9.6.9, but I’m willing to upgrade.
>>>>>>>>> 	I’m on macOS Ventura.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Has anyone successfully built a Mac application recently?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Dar
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 7, 2023, at 3:43 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> This might help:
>>>>>>>>>> <https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/qa/qa1940/_index.html>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>>>>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>>>>>> On August 7, 2023 12:49:03 PM Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I’m having trouble building an application for Mac Intel.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> The first time LiveCode crashed.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Subsequent times, I get this error:
>>>>>>>>>>> There was an error while saving the standalone application
>>>>>>>>>>> Adding ad-hoc signature failed with error:
>>>>>>>>>>> /…/myProgram.app:
>>>>>>>>>>> Replacing existing signature
>>>>>>>>>>> /…/myProgram.app:
>>>>>>>>>>> Resource for, Finder information, or similar detritus not
>>>>>>>>>>> Allowed
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I tried fiddling with the PLIST settings without success.
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>>>>>>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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From dsc at swcp.com  Wed Aug  9 08:40:31 2023
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2023 06:40:31 -0600
Subject: Unable to build for Mac: adding ad-hoc signature failed
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I wonder. I don’t have Xcode installed on this machine. Does installing Xcode change the command-line tools? Maybe those tools that are the default work a little differently.

I’m willing to install Xcode, but before that maybe I can provide some information (such as version) about any particular tools.

Dar

> On Aug 9, 2023, at 6:17 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Whoops, I sent the most recent before I saw that Panos had responded.
> 
> Panos, yes, a build to the network drive with a minimal stack has the error. This minimal stack has a name of Test, no inclusions, no copy files.
> 
> The drive provides SMB, AFP and NFS services.
> 
> Dar
> 
>> On Aug 9, 2023, at 5:55 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I don’t know what I did. Building for Mac Intel works just fine. I’ll add my inclusions and such.
>> 
>> I don’t have Xcode on this system. Perhaps there are some command line tools suitable that come with macOS. 
>> 
>> I still feel defensive that Mac said “detritus”. ;-)
>> 
>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 5:13 PM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Dar,
>>> 
>>> just a shot in the dark....
>>> 
>>> For some time now Livecode does an adhoc code signing when creating a macOS standalone. So therefore the Xcode command line tools have to be installed.
>>> In case you have installed more than one versions of Xcode on your system, did you select in Xcode preferences the correct Xcode standalone tools that shall be used?
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Matthias
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Am 09.08.2023 um 00:45 schrieb Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>>> 
>>>> I have a clue. I changed the build destination to a drive on my Mac. That seemed to have gotten past that error and I ran into other errors.
>>>> 
>>>> I guess building expects a drive on my Mac. And my Mac returns a bogus error message. 
>>>> 
>>>> I suggest one of these as an improvement to the build operation:
>>>> 
>>>> *   Complain and advise when the target is on a network drive.
>>>> *   Build the standalone in a temporary location on the local drive and then copy to the network drive when the target is on a network drive.
>>>> 
>>>> I got past that error, but now I am running into others. They look familiar. I think the problem is that I’m not remembering the magic steps related to saving, purging and so on. I’m not sure, since I can build for Windows. (I can probably stumble through what I did long, long ago, but might figure it out faster.) 
>>>> 
>>>> Suggestion:
>>>> 
>>>> *   I should not have to remember.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks, everybody, for your help!
>>>> 
>>>> Dar
>>>> 
>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:47 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Oh, and I’m building from a network drive.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:41 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> xcode-select -p
>>>>>> /Library/Developer/CommandLineTools
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:19 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I removed all inclusions. I opted to remove all profiles, probably none. There are no Copy Files. I’m building for Intel only. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> For PLIST I chose Chose a PLIST and then clicked Use None.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I set my bundle identifier and have not changed that among my attempts. I left all of the other Version Information as default. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I have no Icons added.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I get the same error.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Dar
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:08 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Signing happens after the app is built and is a manual process, so yours isn't signed /notarized yet. But unsigned apps run on the development machine anyway, so I'd say you built the app successfully.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>>>> On August 8, 2023 10:47:34 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I have, but I don’t do any signing or notarizing. If that happens transparently, then it’s working for me.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Bob S
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 6:59 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, Jacque!
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> That gives me a clue. I will try to get more info on this.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> However, that note shows how to delete the offending resource using the xattr tool, but I have no app to point it to. LiveCode did not build anything.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I’m willing to try some magic values in Standalone Application Settings.
>>>>>>>>>> 	I’m using LiveCode 9.6.9, but I’m willing to upgrade.
>>>>>>>>>> 	I’m on macOS Ventura.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Has anyone successfully built a Mac application recently?
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Dar
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 7, 2023, at 3:43 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> This might help:
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/qa/qa1940/_index.html>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>>>>>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>>>>>>> On August 7, 2023 12:49:03 PM Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> I’m having trouble building an application for Mac Intel.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> The first time LiveCode crashed.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subsequent times, I get this error:
>>>>>>>>>>>> There was an error while saving the standalone application
>>>>>>>>>>>> Adding ad-hoc signature failed with error:
>>>>>>>>>>>> /…/myProgram.app:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Replacing existing signature
>>>>>>>>>>>> /…/myProgram.app:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Resource for, Finder information, or similar detritus not
>>>>>>>>>>>> Allowed
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> I tried fiddling with the PLIST settings without success.
>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>>>>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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>>>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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From marksmithhfx at gmail.com  Wed Aug  9 09:28:54 2023
From: marksmithhfx at gmail.com (Mark Smith)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2023 14:28:54 +0100
Subject: Unable to build for Mac: adding ad-hoc signature failed
In-Reply-To: <B3210F88-8D33-4594-8166-96697AADBBAF@swcp.com>
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Message-ID: <960A584E-AB5D-435B-BBA1-D661E820C2FC@gmail.com>

Hi Dar,

> Does installing Xcode change the command-line tools? 

I think it should. Others will correct me if I’m wrong. 

> I’m willing to install Xcode, but before that maybe I can provide some information (such as version) about any particular tools.


I don’t know if this is of any help but there is a list of LC versions and compatible/required Xcode versions here… (in the first entry on the page)

https://livecode.com/resources/support/ask-a-question/ <https://livecode.com/resources/support/ask-a-question/>

Mark


> On 9 Aug 2023, at 1:40 pm, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I wonder. I don’t have Xcode installed on this machine. Does installing Xcode change the command-line tools? Maybe those tools that are the default work a little differently.
> 
> I’m willing to install Xcode, but before that maybe I can provide some information (such as version) about any particular tools.
> 
> Dar
> 
>> On Aug 9, 2023, at 6:17 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Whoops, I sent the most recent before I saw that Panos had responded.
>> 
>> Panos, yes, a build to the network drive with a minimal stack has the error. This minimal stack has a name of Test, no inclusions, no copy files.
>> 
>> The drive provides SMB, AFP and NFS services.
>> 
>> Dar
>> 
>>> On Aug 9, 2023, at 5:55 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I don’t know what I did. Building for Mac Intel works just fine. I’ll add my inclusions and such.
>>> 
>>> I don’t have Xcode on this system. Perhaps there are some command line tools suitable that come with macOS. 
>>> 
>>> I still feel defensive that Mac said “detritus”. ;-)
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 5:13 PM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Dar,
>>>> 
>>>> just a shot in the dark....
>>>> 
>>>> For some time now Livecode does an adhoc code signing when creating a macOS standalone. So therefore the Xcode command line tools have to be installed.
>>>> In case you have installed more than one versions of Xcode on your system, did you select in Xcode preferences the correct Xcode standalone tools that shall be used?
>>>> 
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Matthias
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Am 09.08.2023 um 00:45 schrieb Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have a clue. I changed the build destination to a drive on my Mac. That seemed to have gotten past that error and I ran into other errors.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I guess building expects a drive on my Mac. And my Mac returns a bogus error message. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I suggest one of these as an improvement to the build operation:
>>>>> 
>>>>> *   Complain and advise when the target is on a network drive.
>>>>> *   Build the standalone in a temporary location on the local drive and then copy to the network drive when the target is on a network drive.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I got past that error, but now I am running into others. They look familiar. I think the problem is that I’m not remembering the magic steps related to saving, purging and so on. I’m not sure, since I can build for Windows. (I can probably stumble through what I did long, long ago, but might figure it out faster.) 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Suggestion:
>>>>> 
>>>>> *   I should not have to remember.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks, everybody, for your help!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Dar
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:47 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Oh, and I’m building from a network drive.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:41 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> xcode-select -p
>>>>>>> /Library/Developer/CommandLineTools
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:19 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I removed all inclusions. I opted to remove all profiles, probably none. There are no Copy Files. I’m building for Intel only. 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> For PLIST I chose Chose a PLIST and then clicked Use None.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I set my bundle identifier and have not changed that among my attempts. I left all of the other Version Information as default. 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I have no Icons added.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I get the same error.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Dar
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:08 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Signing happens after the app is built and is a manual process, so yours isn't signed /notarized yet. But unsigned apps run on the development machine anyway, so I'd say you built the app successfully.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>>>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>>>>> On August 8, 2023 10:47:34 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I have, but I don’t do any signing or notarizing. If that happens transparently, then it’s working for me.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Bob S
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 6:59 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, Jacque!
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> That gives me a clue. I will try to get more info on this.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> However, that note shows how to delete the offending resource using the xattr tool, but I have no app to point it to. LiveCode did not build anything.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I’m willing to try some magic values in Standalone Application Settings.
>>>>>>>>>>> 	I’m using LiveCode 9.6.9, but I’m willing to upgrade.
>>>>>>>>>>> 	I’m on macOS Ventura.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Has anyone successfully built a Mac application recently?
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Dar
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 7, 2023, at 3:43 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> This might help:
>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/qa/qa1940/_index.html>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> On August 7, 2023 12:49:03 PM Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I’m having trouble building an application for Mac Intel.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The first time LiveCode crashed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subsequent times, I get this error:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> There was an error while saving the standalone application
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Adding ad-hoc signature failed with error:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> /…/myProgram.app:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Replacing existing signature
>>>>>>>>>>>>> /…/myProgram.app:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Resource for, Finder information, or similar detritus not
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Allowed
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I tried fiddling with the PLIST settings without success.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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>>>>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
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From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Wed Aug  9 09:41:41 2023
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2023 15:41:41 +0200
Subject: Unable to build for Mac: adding ad-hoc signature failed
In-Reply-To: <B3210F88-8D33-4594-8166-96697AADBBAF@swcp.com>
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Message-ID: <91780F92-7AF5-4777-9AC3-436F3EABE294@m-r-d.de>

Every version of Xocde come with it own version of command line tools. 
If you are just creating macOS standalones then you just need the command line tools.
But if you are also planning to create iOS apps then you'll need the complete Xcode package.

To install just the command line tools run the following command from terminal

xcode-select --install

This should download and install the most current version of command line tools or better said, the most current version that is available for your installed macOS.

Regards,
Matthias


> Am 09.08.2023 um 14:40 schrieb Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> I wonder. I don’t have Xcode installed on this machine. Does installing Xcode change the command-line tools? Maybe those tools that are the default work a little differently.
> 
> I’m willing to install Xcode, but before that maybe I can provide some information (such as version) about any particular tools.
> 
> Dar
> 
>> On Aug 9, 2023, at 6:17 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Whoops, I sent the most recent before I saw that Panos had responded.
>> 
>> Panos, yes, a build to the network drive with a minimal stack has the error. This minimal stack has a name of Test, no inclusions, no copy files.
>> 
>> The drive provides SMB, AFP and NFS services.
>> 
>> Dar
>> 
>>> On Aug 9, 2023, at 5:55 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I don’t know what I did. Building for Mac Intel works just fine. I’ll add my inclusions and such.
>>> 
>>> I don’t have Xcode on this system. Perhaps there are some command line tools suitable that come with macOS. 
>>> 
>>> I still feel defensive that Mac said “detritus”. ;-)
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 5:13 PM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Dar,
>>>> 
>>>> just a shot in the dark....
>>>> 
>>>> For some time now Livecode does an adhoc code signing when creating a macOS standalone. So therefore the Xcode command line tools have to be installed.
>>>> In case you have installed more than one versions of Xcode on your system, did you select in Xcode preferences the correct Xcode standalone tools that shall be used?
>>>> 
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Matthias
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Am 09.08.2023 um 00:45 schrieb Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have a clue. I changed the build destination to a drive on my Mac. That seemed to have gotten past that error and I ran into other errors.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I guess building expects a drive on my Mac. And my Mac returns a bogus error message. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I suggest one of these as an improvement to the build operation:
>>>>> 
>>>>> *   Complain and advise when the target is on a network drive.
>>>>> *   Build the standalone in a temporary location on the local drive and then copy to the network drive when the target is on a network drive.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I got past that error, but now I am running into others. They look familiar. I think the problem is that I’m not remembering the magic steps related to saving, purging and so on. I’m not sure, since I can build for Windows. (I can probably stumble through what I did long, long ago, but might figure it out faster.) 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Suggestion:
>>>>> 
>>>>> *   I should not have to remember.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks, everybody, for your help!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Dar
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:47 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Oh, and I’m building from a network drive.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:41 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> xcode-select -p
>>>>>>> /Library/Developer/CommandLineTools
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:19 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I removed all inclusions. I opted to remove all profiles, probably none. There are no Copy Files. I’m building for Intel only. 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> For PLIST I chose Chose a PLIST and then clicked Use None.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I set my bundle identifier and have not changed that among my attempts. I left all of the other Version Information as default. 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I have no Icons added.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I get the same error.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Dar
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:08 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Signing happens after the app is built and is a manual process, so yours isn't signed /notarized yet. But unsigned apps run on the development machine anyway, so I'd say you built the app successfully.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>>>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>>>>> On August 8, 2023 10:47:34 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I have, but I don’t do any signing or notarizing. If that happens transparently, then it’s working for me.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Bob S
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 6:59 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, Jacque!
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> That gives me a clue. I will try to get more info on this.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> However, that note shows how to delete the offending resource using the xattr tool, but I have no app to point it to. LiveCode did not build anything.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I’m willing to try some magic values in Standalone Application Settings.
>>>>>>>>>>> 	I’m using LiveCode 9.6.9, but I’m willing to upgrade.
>>>>>>>>>>> 	I’m on macOS Ventura.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Has anyone successfully built a Mac application recently?
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Dar
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 7, 2023, at 3:43 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> This might help:
>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/qa/qa1940/_index.html>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> On August 7, 2023 12:49:03 PM Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I’m having trouble building an application for Mac Intel.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The first time LiveCode crashed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subsequent times, I get this error:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> There was an error while saving the standalone application
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Adding ad-hoc signature failed with error:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> /…/myProgram.app:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Replacing existing signature
>>>>>>>>>>>>> /…/myProgram.app:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Resource for, Finder information, or similar detritus not
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Allowed
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I tried fiddling with the PLIST settings without success.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>>>>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>> 
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From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Wed Aug  9 09:46:35 2023
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2023 15:46:35 +0200
Subject: Unable to build for Mac: adding ad-hoc signature failed
In-Reply-To: <91780F92-7AF5-4777-9AC3-436F3EABE294@m-r-d.de>
References: <092054D1-2815-43AA-9869-4F67A1A545FD@swcp.com>
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Message-ID: <73364263-B19C-4F1D-9984-7572C833998C@m-r-d.de>

And like the links says that Mark posted.

For iOS standalones every Livecode version supports a special Xcode version according to the installed macOS.
You'll find the information which works for your installed LC version also in the release notes of your LC version.
You'll find the release notes under the Help menu in LC.



> Am 09.08.2023 um 15:41 schrieb matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de:
> 
> Every version of Xocde come with it own version of command line tools. 
> If you are just creating macOS standalones then you just need the command line tools.
> But if you are also planning to create iOS apps then you'll need the complete Xcode package.
> 
> To install just the command line tools run the following command from terminal
> 
> xcode-select --install
> 
> This should download and install the most current version of command line tools or better said, the most current version that is available for your installed macOS.
> 
> Regards,
> Matthias
> 
> 
>> Am 09.08.2023 um 14:40 schrieb Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>> 
>> I wonder. I don’t have Xcode installed on this machine. Does installing Xcode change the command-line tools? Maybe those tools that are the default work a little differently.
>> 
>> I’m willing to install Xcode, but before that maybe I can provide some information (such as version) about any particular tools.
>> 
>> Dar
>> 
>>> On Aug 9, 2023, at 6:17 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Whoops, I sent the most recent before I saw that Panos had responded.
>>> 
>>> Panos, yes, a build to the network drive with a minimal stack has the error. This minimal stack has a name of Test, no inclusions, no copy files.
>>> 
>>> The drive provides SMB, AFP and NFS services.
>>> 
>>> Dar
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 9, 2023, at 5:55 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I don’t know what I did. Building for Mac Intel works just fine. I’ll add my inclusions and such.
>>>> 
>>>> I don’t have Xcode on this system. Perhaps there are some command line tools suitable that come with macOS. 
>>>> 
>>>> I still feel defensive that Mac said “detritus”. ;-)
>>>> 
>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 5:13 PM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Dar,
>>>>> 
>>>>> just a shot in the dark....
>>>>> 
>>>>> For some time now Livecode does an adhoc code signing when creating a macOS standalone. So therefore the Xcode command line tools have to be installed.
>>>>> In case you have installed more than one versions of Xcode on your system, did you select in Xcode preferences the correct Xcode standalone tools that shall be used?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Matthias
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Am 09.08.2023 um 00:45 schrieb Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I have a clue. I changed the build destination to a drive on my Mac. That seemed to have gotten past that error and I ran into other errors.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I guess building expects a drive on my Mac. And my Mac returns a bogus error message. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I suggest one of these as an improvement to the build operation:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> *   Complain and advise when the target is on a network drive.
>>>>>> *   Build the standalone in a temporary location on the local drive and then copy to the network drive when the target is on a network drive.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I got past that error, but now I am running into others. They look familiar. I think the problem is that I’m not remembering the magic steps related to saving, purging and so on. I’m not sure, since I can build for Windows. (I can probably stumble through what I did long, long ago, but might figure it out faster.) 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Suggestion:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> *   I should not have to remember.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks, everybody, for your help!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Dar
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:47 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Oh, and I’m building from a network drive.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:41 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> xcode-select -p
>>>>>>>> /Library/Developer/CommandLineTools
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:19 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I removed all inclusions. I opted to remove all profiles, probably none. There are no Copy Files. I’m building for Intel only. 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> For PLIST I chose Chose a PLIST and then clicked Use None.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I set my bundle identifier and have not changed that among my attempts. I left all of the other Version Information as default. 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I have no Icons added.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I get the same error.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Dar
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:08 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Signing happens after the app is built and is a manual process, so yours isn't signed /notarized yet. But unsigned apps run on the development machine anyway, so I'd say you built the app successfully.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>>>>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>>>>>> On August 8, 2023 10:47:34 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I have, but I don’t do any signing or notarizing. If that happens transparently, then it’s working for me.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Bob S
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 6:59 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, Jacque!
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> That gives me a clue. I will try to get more info on this.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> However, that note shows how to delete the offending resource using the xattr tool, but I have no app to point it to. LiveCode did not build anything.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> I’m willing to try some magic values in Standalone Application Settings.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 	I’m using LiveCode 9.6.9, but I’m willing to upgrade.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 	I’m on macOS Ventura.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Has anyone successfully built a Mac application recently?
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Dar
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 7, 2023, at 3:43 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> This might help:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/qa/qa1940/_index.html>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On August 7, 2023 12:49:03 PM Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I’m having trouble building an application for Mac Intel.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The first time LiveCode crashed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subsequent times, I get this error:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There was an error while saving the standalone application
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Adding ad-hoc signature failed with error:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /…/myProgram.app:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Replacing existing signature
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /…/myProgram.app:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Resource for, Finder information, or similar detritus not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Allowed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I tried fiddling with the PLIST settings without success.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>>>>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>>>>>>>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>>>>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>>>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
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From marksmithhfx at gmail.com  Wed Aug  9 10:07:41 2023
From: marksmithhfx at gmail.com (Mark Smith)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2023 15:07:41 +0100
Subject: Unable to build for Mac: adding ad-hoc signature failed
In-Reply-To: <91780F92-7AF5-4777-9AC3-436F3EABE294@m-r-d.de>
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Very useful info Matthias. Thanks for posting.

Mark

> On 9 Aug 2023, at 2:41 pm, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Every version of Xocde come with it own version of command line tools. 
> If you are just creating macOS standalones then you just need the command line tools.
> But if you are also planning to create iOS apps then you'll need the complete Xcode package.
> 
> To install just the command line tools run the following command from terminal
> 
> xcode-select --install
> 
> This should download and install the most current version of command line tools or better said, the most current version that is available for your installed macOS.
> 
> Regards,
> Matthias
> 
> 
>> Am 09.08.2023 um 14:40 schrieb Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>> 
>> I wonder. I don’t have Xcode installed on this machine. Does installing Xcode change the command-line tools? Maybe those tools that are the default work a little differently.
>> 
>> I’m willing to install Xcode, but before that maybe I can provide some information (such as version) about any particular tools.
>> 
>> Dar
>> 
>>> On Aug 9, 2023, at 6:17 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Whoops, I sent the most recent before I saw that Panos had responded.
>>> 
>>> Panos, yes, a build to the network drive with a minimal stack has the error. This minimal stack has a name of Test, no inclusions, no copy files.
>>> 
>>> The drive provides SMB, AFP and NFS services.
>>> 
>>> Dar
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 9, 2023, at 5:55 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I don’t know what I did. Building for Mac Intel works just fine. I’ll add my inclusions and such.
>>>> 
>>>> I don’t have Xcode on this system. Perhaps there are some command line tools suitable that come with macOS. 
>>>> 
>>>> I still feel defensive that Mac said “detritus”. ;-)
>>>> 
>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 5:13 PM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Dar,
>>>>> 
>>>>> just a shot in the dark....
>>>>> 
>>>>> For some time now Livecode does an adhoc code signing when creating a macOS standalone. So therefore the Xcode command line tools have to be installed.
>>>>> In case you have installed more than one versions of Xcode on your system, did you select in Xcode preferences the correct Xcode standalone tools that shall be used?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Matthias
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Am 09.08.2023 um 00:45 schrieb Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I have a clue. I changed the build destination to a drive on my Mac. That seemed to have gotten past that error and I ran into other errors.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I guess building expects a drive on my Mac. And my Mac returns a bogus error message. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I suggest one of these as an improvement to the build operation:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> *   Complain and advise when the target is on a network drive.
>>>>>> *   Build the standalone in a temporary location on the local drive and then copy to the network drive when the target is on a network drive.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I got past that error, but now I am running into others. They look familiar. I think the problem is that I’m not remembering the magic steps related to saving, purging and so on. I’m not sure, since I can build for Windows. (I can probably stumble through what I did long, long ago, but might figure it out faster.) 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Suggestion:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> *   I should not have to remember.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks, everybody, for your help!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Dar
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:47 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Oh, and I’m building from a network drive.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:41 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> xcode-select -p
>>>>>>>> /Library/Developer/CommandLineTools
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:19 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I removed all inclusions. I opted to remove all profiles, probably none. There are no Copy Files. I’m building for Intel only. 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> For PLIST I chose Chose a PLIST and then clicked Use None.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I set my bundle identifier and have not changed that among my attempts. I left all of the other Version Information as default. 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I have no Icons added.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I get the same error.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Dar
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:08 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Signing happens after the app is built and is a manual process, so yours isn't signed /notarized yet. But unsigned apps run on the development machine anyway, so I'd say you built the app successfully.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>>>>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>>>>>> On August 8, 2023 10:47:34 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I have, but I don’t do any signing or notarizing. If that happens transparently, then it’s working for me.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Bob S
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 6:59 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, Jacque!
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> That gives me a clue. I will try to get more info on this.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> However, that note shows how to delete the offending resource using the xattr tool, but I have no app to point it to. LiveCode did not build anything.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> I’m willing to try some magic values in Standalone Application Settings.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 	I’m using LiveCode 9.6.9, but I’m willing to upgrade.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 	I’m on macOS Ventura.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Has anyone successfully built a Mac application recently?
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Dar
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 7, 2023, at 3:43 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> This might help:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/qa/qa1940/_index.html>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On August 7, 2023 12:49:03 PM Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I’m having trouble building an application for Mac Intel.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The first time LiveCode crashed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subsequent times, I get this error:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There was an error while saving the standalone application
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Adding ad-hoc signature failed with error:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /…/myProgram.app:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Replacing existing signature
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /…/myProgram.app:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Resource for, Finder information, or similar detritus not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Allowed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I tried fiddling with the PLIST settings without success.
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From merakosp at gmail.com  Wed Aug  9 10:49:57 2023
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis m)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2023 17:49:57 +0300
Subject: Consumable In App Purchases on Android
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Hello all,

Also, it might be worth trying this as well - add a new button with this
code:

on mouseUp
   mobileStoreEnablePurchaseUpdates
   mobileStoreRestorePurchases
end mouseUp

Then press the button, and *then* call mobileStoreConsumePurchase pProductID .
Hopefully now it should be properly consumed, and you should be able to buy
it (and consume it) again.

Cheers,
Panos
--

On Wed, 9 Aug 2023 at 11:37, panagiotis m <merakosp at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello Dan,
>
> The call to mobileStoreConfirmPurchase pProductID  causes the
> purchaseStateUpdate message to be sent again with status=complete.
>
> So I would not suggest putting the call to mobileStoreConsumePurchase
> pProductID just after mobileStoreConfirmPurchase.
>
> You could either put it in a separate button and see if it works,
> otherwise add a [case "complete"] in the purchaseStateUpdate msg and there
> consume the product and disable purchase updates, i.e.:
>
> on purchaseStateUpdate pPurchaseID, pProductID, pState
>    switch pState
>       case "paymentReceived"
>          answer "Payment received!"
>          offerPurchasedProduct pProductID
>          mobileStoreConfirmPurchase pProductID
>          break
>       case "error"
>          answer "Error occured during purchase handling:" & return &
> return & mobileStorePurchaseError(pPurchaseID)
>          mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
>          break
>       case "invalidSKU"
>          answer "Invalid SKU."
>          mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
>          break
>       case "alreadyEntitled"
>          answer "Already Owned."
>          mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
>          break
>       case "restored"
>          put "Restored: " & pProductID & cr after field "restored"
>          offerPurchasedProduct pProductID
>          mobileStoreConfirmPurchase pProductID
>          break
>       case "cancelled"
>          answer "Purchase Cancelled:" && pProductID
>          mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
>          break
>       case "complete"
>          answer "Purchase Complete:" && pProductID
>          mobileStoreConsumePurchase pProductID  // <-- ADD THIS HERE
>          mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
>          break
>    end switch
> end purchaseStateUpdate
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Kind regards,
> Panos
> --
>
>
>
> On Tue, 8 Aug 2023 at 22:52, Dan Friedman via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> Andrew,
>>
>> Thank you for the input.   The code snippet you said you are using has
>> mobileStoreConsumePurchase IMMEDIATELY following mobileStoreMakePurchase.
>> Is that what you are doing?   The LC example show that
>> mobileStoreMakePurchase should be handled in the purchaseStateUpdate
>> message after the purchase is paymentReceived”
>>
>> If that’s true, then I feel like I’m doing exactly what you are
>> suggesting.   The purchase is fine, but the consumption if not working for
>> me.   Here’s what I’m doing:
>>
>> on startInAppPurchase numCredits
>>   //setup purchase id
>>   if numCredits = 1 then
>>     put 1001 into productID
>>     put "$0.99" into productAmount
>>   else if numCredits = 2 then
>>     put 1002 into productID
>>     put "$1.99" into productAmount
>>   else if numCredits = 3 then
>>     put 1003 into productID
>>     put "$2.99" into productAmount
>>   else if numCredits = 11 then
>>     put 1011 into productID
>>     put "$9.99" into productAmount
>>   end if
>>
>>   //confirm with user
>>   if numCredits = 1 then
>>     put "Are you sure you want to purchase 1 credit for" && productAmount
>> & "?" into pString
>>   else
>>     put "Are you sure you want to purchase" && numCredits && "credits
>> for" && productAmount & "?" into pString
>>   end if
>>   if myAnswer(pString,"Cancel|Buy Now","Purchase
>> Confirmation","|appBlue") = "Cancel" then //my custom answer dialog
>>     exit startInAppPurchase
>>   end if
>>
>>   //initiate the purchase
>>   mobileStoreEnablePurchaseUpdates
>>   mobileStoreSetProductType productID,"inapp"
>>   mobileStoreMakePurchase productID,"1","testPayload - Android Only"
>> end startInAppPurchase
>>
>> on purchaseStateUpdate pPurchaseID,pProductID,pState
>>   global user
>>
>>   switch pState
>>     case "paymentReceived"
>>       put mobilePurchaseGet(pPurchaseID,"receipt") into rawReciptData
>>
>>       //tell our server is was sucessful and log users credits to database
>>       if isIPhone() then
>>         if db_validateAppleReceipt(rawReciptData) then
>>           add (pProductID-1000) to user["credits"]
>>         end if
>>       else
>>         //will add Android database call when ready
>>       end if
>>
>>       mobileStoreConfirmPurchase pProductID //Inform the store that the
>> purchase identifier productID was successfully delivered
>>       if isAndroid() then
>>         mobileStoreConsumePurchase pProductID. //  <--- DOES NOT SEEM TO
>> CONSUME THE PRODUCT !!
>>       end if
>>
>>       mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
>>       loadMeUp //refresh our display
>>       break
>>     case "error"
>>       answer "Error occured during purchase handling:" & return & return
>> & mobileStorePurchaseError(pPurchaseID)
>>       mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
>>       break
>>     case "invalidSKU"
>>       answer "Invalid SKU."
>>       mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
>>       break
>>     case "alreadyEntitled"
>>       answer "Already Owned."
>>       mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
>>       break
>>     case "restored"
>>       answer "restored"
>>      offerPurchasedProduct pProductID
>>       mobileStoreConfirmPurchase pProductID
>>       mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
>>
>>       loadMeUp //refresh our display
>>       break
>>     case "canceled"
>>     case "cancelled"
>>       answer "Purchase Cancelled:" && pProductID
>>       mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
>>       break
>>   end switch
>> end purchaseStateUpdate
>>
>>
>>
>> Do you see anything wonky in my code?
>>
>> --Dan
>>
>> From: use-livecode <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com> on behalf of
>> Andrew at MidWest Coast Media via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
>> Date: Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 10:57 AM
>> To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
>> Cc: Andrew at MidWest Coast Media <andrew at midwestcoastmedia.com>
>> Subject: Re: Consumable In App Purchases on Android
>> If I’m consuming instantly, this is the code working in my Android/iOS
>> project with comment lines explaining the values being passed in the
>> Android build (note that the product ID values are more specific for
>> Android than iOS):
>>
>>         if tPlatform = "android" then
>>                  put "com.midwestcoastmedia.dj3pm." into tProductIDbase
>>          else if tPlatform = "iPhone" then
>>                  put EMPTY into tProductIDbase
>>         end if
>>         put tProductIDbase & pWhichProduct into tProductID
>>
>>       mobileStoreEnablePurchaseUpdates
>>       ## mobileStoreSetProductType "com.midwestcoastmedia.dj3pm.tip01",
>> "inapp"
>>       mobileStoreSetProductType tProductID, "inapp"
>>       ## mobileStoreMakePurchase "com.midwestcoastmedia.dj3pm.tip01",
>> "1", "Thanks for the buck!"
>>       mobileStoreMakePurchase tProductID, "1", tMessage
>>       ## mobileStoreConsumePurchase "com.midwestcoastmedia.dj3pm.tip01"
>>       mobileStoreConsumePurchase tProductID
>>       put the result into tCatch
>>
>> BUT you’ll also need to implement the on purchaseStateUpdate handler to
>> completely execute the purchase cycle. The lesson is sometimes hard to
>> follow when Android changes their branding/naming but
>> https://lessons.livecode.com/m/4069/l/184481-how-do-i-implement-in-app-purchases-in-livecode-google-play-store
>> <
>> https://lessons.livecode.com/m/4069/l/184481-how-do-i-implement-in-app-purchases-in-livecode-google-play-store>
>> has a good example of this.
>>
>> —Andrew Bell
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From gcanyon at gmail.com  Wed Aug  9 11:23:31 2023
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2023 08:23:31 -0700
Subject: Variable Watcher disappeared
In-Reply-To: <2E7C61D6-01E0-4AB0-8DD0-6EDEF268C6B6@rogers.com>
References: <A4DB77FB-CB62-487C-91C1-9C648AA37782@iotecdigital.com>
 <2E7C61D6-01E0-4AB0-8DD0-6EDEF268C6B6@rogers.com>
Message-ID: <CAKCLKtq1jXs0O6tH0q7bEHZW97YDEHyTu8+rjsgPvnUV3EXX-w@mail.gmail.com>

You can also accomplish most of this by right-clicking a stack in
Navigator, and selecting Go > Show on the popup menu. That centers the
stack on screen and shows it. It's meant to be guaranteed, so if there are
other steps to take to ensure a stack presents itself, I'm happy to add
them.

On Tue, Aug 8, 2023 at 10:19 AM Martin Koob via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi Bob
>
> So you can see the Script Editor but you can’t see the variables pane at
> the bottom?
>
> There is a drag handle at the bottom of the Script Editor pane to resize
> it.   Maybe you accidentally dragged that to the bottom hiding the variable
> pane at the bottom.
>
> Even if you did that you should still see the tabs for ‘Errors’;
> ‘Variables’; ‘Documentation’; ‘Breakpoints’; ’Search Results’.
>
> You should be able to drag the Drag handle up to reveal the bottom pane.
>
>
> The following doesn’t probably apply to you if your Script Editor Stack is
> open and visible.
>
> You probably know this but another thing that happens to me is that some
> of the LiveCode stacks disappear randomly.
>
> One thing that happens is that they somehow get moved offscreen.
>
> To get them back I first check if they are there by typing the following
> into the message box.
>
> put the openstacks
>
> That should result in a list like this.
>
> Message Box
> My Demo Stack
> revInspector
> revTools
> revNewScriptEditor 1
> revDictionary
> revMenuBar
> Improve LiveCode Handler Finder
> com.livecode.palette.autocomplete.completions
>
> If you see the stack in the list that you are looking for you can relocate
> it back to the screen by setting its location to something that will be on
> your display by entering the following in the message box.
> set the topleft of stack "revtools" to 100,100
>
>
>
>
>
> Two other reasons stacks disappear is that they become hidden or closed.
>
>
>
> If the stack is closed then enter the following in the message box
>
> open stack “revtools
>
>
>
> If the stack is open but hidden enter
>
> show stack “revtools”
>
> If it is your message box that you can’t find then there is nothing you
> can do….
>
>
> … Just kidding.  ;-)
>
> Just type command key + M to show the message box.
>
>
> Bob, I am sure this is covering things you already know  but just in case
> there others in future are looking for this I added the other cases where
> your LiveCode IDE stacks disappear.
>
> BTW I am using LC 9.6.9 on a M1 Max Mac running Ventura 13.41
>
> Martin
>
> > On Aug 8, 2023, at 12:28 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all.
> >
> > Not sure how I did it but I can no longer see the variables while
> debugging. The bottom pane has disappeared and nothing I can find can get
> it back. Any ideas?
> >
> > Bob S
> >
> >
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From dan at clearvisiontech.com  Wed Aug  9 15:27:51 2023
From: dan at clearvisiontech.com (Dan Friedman)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2023 19:27:51 +0000
Subject: Consumable In App Purchases on Android
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Panos and others…

First, thank you for your assistance and advise with this.   Panos’ suggestions were spot on!    Restoring the purchases, then calling mobileStoreConsumePurchase worked for consumption.   And, adding a “complete” case to purchaseStateUpdate and handeling the mobilePurchaseGet() as well as the mobileStoreConsumePurchase worked beautifully.   A couple of follow up questions…

1 - Does the “complete” case get returned with the Apple Store as well?
2 – Is there a way to get the purchase token from mobilePurchaseGet() on Android?   The “transactionIdentifier” returns the order number, not the purchase token.  The purchase token is needed to verify the purchase server side.

Lastly, it would be terrific if the lesson on the LC website was updated to these options/methods.   It might save the next guy some grief.

-Dan


From: use-livecode <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com> on behalf of panagiotis m via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Date: Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 7:51 AM
To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Cc: panagiotis m <merakosp at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Consumable In App Purchases on Android
Hello all,

Also, it might be worth trying this as well - add a new button with this
code:

on mouseUp
   mobileStoreEnablePurchaseUpdates
   mobileStoreRestorePurchases
end mouseUp

Then press the button, and *then* call mobileStoreConsumePurchase pProductID .
Hopefully now it should be properly consumed, and you should be able to buy
it (and consume it) again.

Cheers,
Panos
--

On Wed, 9 Aug 2023 at 11:37, panagiotis m <merakosp at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello Dan,
>
> The call to mobileStoreConfirmPurchase pProductID  causes the
> purchaseStateUpdate message to be sent again with status=complete.
>
> So I would not suggest putting the call to mobileStoreConsumePurchase
> pProductID just after mobileStoreConfirmPurchase.
>
> You could either put it in a separate button and see if it works,
> otherwise add a [case "complete"] in the purchaseStateUpdate msg and there
> consume the product and disable purchase updates, i.e.:
>
> on purchaseStateUpdate pPurchaseID, pProductID, pState
>    switch pState
>       case "paymentReceived"
>          answer "Payment received!"
>          offerPurchasedProduct pProductID
>          mobileStoreConfirmPurchase pProductID
>          break
>       case "error"
>          answer "Error occured during purchase handling:" & return &
> return & mobileStorePurchaseError(pPurchaseID)
>          mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
>          break
>       case "invalidSKU"
>          answer "Invalid SKU."
>          mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
>          break
>       case "alreadyEntitled"
>          answer "Already Owned."
>          mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
>          break
>       case "restored"
>          put "Restored: " & pProductID & cr after field "restored"
>          offerPurchasedProduct pProductID
>          mobileStoreConfirmPurchase pProductID
>          break
>       case "cancelled"
>          answer "Purchase Cancelled:" && pProductID
>          mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
>          break
>       case "complete"
>          answer "Purchase Complete:" && pProductID
>          mobileStoreConsumePurchase pProductID  // <-- ADD THIS HERE
>          mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
>          break
>    end switch
> end purchaseStateUpdate
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Kind regards,
> Panos
> --
>
>
>
> On Tue, 8 Aug 2023 at 22:52, Dan Friedman via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> Andrew,
>>
>> Thank you for the input.   The code snippet you said you are using has
>> mobileStoreConsumePurchase IMMEDIATELY following mobileStoreMakePurchase.
>> Is that what you are doing?   The LC example show that
>> mobileStoreMakePurchase should be handled in the purchaseStateUpdate
>> message after the purchase is paymentReceived”
>>
>> If that’s true, then I feel like I’m doing exactly what you are
>> suggesting.   The purchase is fine, but the consumption if not working for
>> me.   Here’s what I’m doing:
>>
>> on startInAppPurchase numCredits
>>   //setup purchase id
>>   if numCredits = 1 then
>>     put 1001 into productID
>>     put "$0.99" into productAmount
>>   else if numCredits = 2 then
>>     put 1002 into productID
>>     put "$1.99" into productAmount
>>   else if numCredits = 3 then
>>     put 1003 into productID
>>     put "$2.99" into productAmount
>>   else if numCredits = 11 then
>>     put 1011 into productID
>>     put "$9.99" into productAmount
>>   end if
>>
>>   //confirm with user
>>   if numCredits = 1 then
>>     put "Are you sure you want to purchase 1 credit for" && productAmount
>> & "?" into pString
>>   else
>>     put "Are you sure you want to purchase" && numCredits && "credits
>> for" && productAmount & "?" into pString
>>   end if
>>   if myAnswer(pString,"Cancel|Buy Now","Purchase
>> Confirmation","|appBlue") = "Cancel" then //my custom answer dialog
>>     exit startInAppPurchase
>>   end if
>>
>>   //initiate the purchase
>>   mobileStoreEnablePurchaseUpdates
>>   mobileStoreSetProductType productID,"inapp"
>>   mobileStoreMakePurchase productID,"1","testPayload - Android Only"
>> end startInAppPurchase
>>
>> on purchaseStateUpdate pPurchaseID,pProductID,pState
>>   global user
>>
>>   switch pState
>>     case "paymentReceived"
>>       put mobilePurchaseGet(pPurchaseID,"receipt") into rawReciptData
>>
>>       //tell our server is was sucessful and log users credits to database
>>       if isIPhone() then
>>         if db_validateAppleReceipt(rawReciptData) then
>>           add (pProductID-1000) to user["credits"]
>>         end if
>>       else
>>         //will add Android database call when ready
>>       end if
>>
>>       mobileStoreConfirmPurchase pProductID //Inform the store that the
>> purchase identifier productID was successfully delivered
>>       if isAndroid() then
>>         mobileStoreConsumePurchase pProductID. //  <--- DOES NOT SEEM TO
>> CONSUME THE PRODUCT !!
>>       end if
>>
>>       mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
>>       loadMeUp //refresh our display
>>       break
>>     case "error"
>>       answer "Error occured during purchase handling:" & return & return
>> & mobileStorePurchaseError(pPurchaseID)
>>       mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
>>       break
>>     case "invalidSKU"
>>       answer "Invalid SKU."
>>       mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
>>       break
>>     case "alreadyEntitled"
>>       answer "Already Owned."
>>       mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
>>       break
>>     case "restored"
>>       answer "restored"
>>      offerPurchasedProduct pProductID
>>       mobileStoreConfirmPurchase pProductID
>>       mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
>>
>>       loadMeUp //refresh our display
>>       break
>>     case "canceled"
>>     case "cancelled"
>>       answer "Purchase Cancelled:" && pProductID
>>       mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
>>       break
>>   end switch
>> end purchaseStateUpdate
>>
>>
>>
>> Do you see anything wonky in my code?
>>
>> --Dan
>>
>> From: use-livecode <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com> on behalf of
>> Andrew at MidWest Coast Media via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
>> Date: Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 10:57 AM
>> To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
>> Cc: Andrew at MidWest Coast Media <andrew at midwestcoastmedia.com>
>> Subject: Re: Consumable In App Purchases on Android
>> If I’m consuming instantly, this is the code working in my Android/iOS
>> project with comment lines explaining the values being passed in the
>> Android build (note that the product ID values are more specific for
>> Android than iOS):
>>
>>         if tPlatform = "android" then
>>                  put "com.midwestcoastmedia.dj3pm." into tProductIDbase
>>          else if tPlatform = "iPhone" then
>>                  put EMPTY into tProductIDbase
>>         end if
>>         put tProductIDbase & pWhichProduct into tProductID
>>
>>       mobileStoreEnablePurchaseUpdates
>>       ## mobileStoreSetProductType "com.midwestcoastmedia.dj3pm.tip01",
>> "inapp"
>>       mobileStoreSetProductType tProductID, "inapp"
>>       ## mobileStoreMakePurchase "com.midwestcoastmedia.dj3pm.tip01",
>> "1", "Thanks for the buck!"
>>       mobileStoreMakePurchase tProductID, "1", tMessage
>>       ## mobileStoreConsumePurchase "com.midwestcoastmedia.dj3pm.tip01"
>>       mobileStoreConsumePurchase tProductID
>>       put the result into tCatch
>>
>> BUT you’ll also need to implement the on purchaseStateUpdate handler to
>> completely execute the purchase cycle. The lesson is sometimes hard to
>> follow when Android changes their branding/naming but
>> https://lessons.livecode.com/m/4069/l/184481-how-do-i-implement-in-app-purchases-in-livecode-google-play-store
>> <
>> https://lessons.livecode.com/m/4069/l/184481-how-do-i-implement-in-app-purchases-in-livecode-google-play-store><https://lessons.livecode.com/m/4069/l/184481-how-do-i-implement-in-app-purchases-in-livecode-google-play-store%3e>
>> has a good example of this.
>>
>> —Andrew Bell
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From merakosp at gmail.com  Wed Aug  9 15:44:59 2023
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis m)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2023 22:44:59 +0300
Subject: Consumable In App Purchases on Android
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Hello Dan,

Thanks for the update.

RE 1, I *think* yes, but I would suggest you double check this anyway.

RE 2, I would suggest not using mobilePurchaseGet(). This function is from
the older API for in-app purchases, and we have kept it for backwards
compatibility. I suggest using mobileStoreProductProperty (productID,
propertyName) instead. In fact, using mobileStoreProductProperty
(productID, "purchaseToken") is what you need in this use-case.

RE the lessons, yes, they could have been better. I'll add this to my
(long!) todo list :)

Kind regards,
Panos
--



On Wed, 9 Aug 2023 at 22:29, Dan Friedman via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Panos and others…
>
> First, thank you for your assistance and advise with this.   Panos’
> suggestions were spot on!    Restoring the purchases, then calling
> mobileStoreConsumePurchase worked for consumption.   And, adding a
> “complete” case to purchaseStateUpdate and handeling the
> mobilePurchaseGet() as well as the mobileStoreConsumePurchase worked
> beautifully.   A couple of follow up questions…
>
> 1 - Does the “complete” case get returned with the Apple Store as well?
> 2 – Is there a way to get the purchase token from mobilePurchaseGet() on
> Android?   The “transactionIdentifier” returns the order number, not the
> purchase token.  The purchase token is needed to verify the purchase server
> side.
>
> Lastly, it would be terrific if the lesson on the LC website was updated
> to these options/methods.   It might save the next guy some grief.
>
> -Dan
>
>
> From: use-livecode <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com> on behalf of
> panagiotis m via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Date: Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 7:51 AM
> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Cc: panagiotis m <merakosp at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Consumable In App Purchases on Android
> Hello all,
>
> Also, it might be worth trying this as well - add a new button with this
> code:
>
> on mouseUp
>    mobileStoreEnablePurchaseUpdates
>    mobileStoreRestorePurchases
> end mouseUp
>
> Then press the button, and *then* call mobileStoreConsumePurchase
> pProductID .
> Hopefully now it should be properly consumed, and you should be able to buy
> it (and consume it) again.
>
> Cheers,
> Panos
> --
>
> On Wed, 9 Aug 2023 at 11:37, panagiotis m <merakosp at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hello Dan,
> >
> > The call to mobileStoreConfirmPurchase pProductID  causes the
> > purchaseStateUpdate message to be sent again with status=complete.
> >
> > So I would not suggest putting the call to mobileStoreConsumePurchase
> > pProductID just after mobileStoreConfirmPurchase.
> >
> > You could either put it in a separate button and see if it works,
> > otherwise add a [case "complete"] in the purchaseStateUpdate msg and
> there
> > consume the product and disable purchase updates, i.e.:
> >
> > on purchaseStateUpdate pPurchaseID, pProductID, pState
> >    switch pState
> >       case "paymentReceived"
> >          answer "Payment received!"
> >          offerPurchasedProduct pProductID
> >          mobileStoreConfirmPurchase pProductID
> >          break
> >       case "error"
> >          answer "Error occured during purchase handling:" & return &
> > return & mobileStorePurchaseError(pPurchaseID)
> >          mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
> >          break
> >       case "invalidSKU"
> >          answer "Invalid SKU."
> >          mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
> >          break
> >       case "alreadyEntitled"
> >          answer "Already Owned."
> >          mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
> >          break
> >       case "restored"
> >          put "Restored: " & pProductID & cr after field "restored"
> >          offerPurchasedProduct pProductID
> >          mobileStoreConfirmPurchase pProductID
> >          break
> >       case "cancelled"
> >          answer "Purchase Cancelled:" && pProductID
> >          mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
> >          break
> >       case "complete"
> >          answer "Purchase Complete:" && pProductID
> >          mobileStoreConsumePurchase pProductID  // <-- ADD THIS HERE
> >          mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
> >          break
> >    end switch
> > end purchaseStateUpdate
> >
> > Hope this helps.
> >
> > Kind regards,
> > Panos
> > --
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 8 Aug 2023 at 22:52, Dan Friedman via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Andrew,
> >>
> >> Thank you for the input.   The code snippet you said you are using has
> >> mobileStoreConsumePurchase IMMEDIATELY following
> mobileStoreMakePurchase.
> >> Is that what you are doing?   The LC example show that
> >> mobileStoreMakePurchase should be handled in the purchaseStateUpdate
> >> message after the purchase is paymentReceived”
> >>
> >> If that’s true, then I feel like I’m doing exactly what you are
> >> suggesting.   The purchase is fine, but the consumption if not working
> for
> >> me.   Here’s what I’m doing:
> >>
> >> on startInAppPurchase numCredits
> >>   //setup purchase id
> >>   if numCredits = 1 then
> >>     put 1001 into productID
> >>     put "$0.99" into productAmount
> >>   else if numCredits = 2 then
> >>     put 1002 into productID
> >>     put "$1.99" into productAmount
> >>   else if numCredits = 3 then
> >>     put 1003 into productID
> >>     put "$2.99" into productAmount
> >>   else if numCredits = 11 then
> >>     put 1011 into productID
> >>     put "$9.99" into productAmount
> >>   end if
> >>
> >>   //confirm with user
> >>   if numCredits = 1 then
> >>     put "Are you sure you want to purchase 1 credit for" &&
> productAmount
> >> & "?" into pString
> >>   else
> >>     put "Are you sure you want to purchase" && numCredits && "credits
> >> for" && productAmount & "?" into pString
> >>   end if
> >>   if myAnswer(pString,"Cancel|Buy Now","Purchase
> >> Confirmation","|appBlue") = "Cancel" then //my custom answer dialog
> >>     exit startInAppPurchase
> >>   end if
> >>
> >>   //initiate the purchase
> >>   mobileStoreEnablePurchaseUpdates
> >>   mobileStoreSetProductType productID,"inapp"
> >>   mobileStoreMakePurchase productID,"1","testPayload - Android Only"
> >> end startInAppPurchase
> >>
> >> on purchaseStateUpdate pPurchaseID,pProductID,pState
> >>   global user
> >>
> >>   switch pState
> >>     case "paymentReceived"
> >>       put mobilePurchaseGet(pPurchaseID,"receipt") into rawReciptData
> >>
> >>       //tell our server is was sucessful and log users credits to
> database
> >>       if isIPhone() then
> >>         if db_validateAppleReceipt(rawReciptData) then
> >>           add (pProductID-1000) to user["credits"]
> >>         end if
> >>       else
> >>         //will add Android database call when ready
> >>       end if
> >>
> >>       mobileStoreConfirmPurchase pProductID //Inform the store that the
> >> purchase identifier productID was successfully delivered
> >>       if isAndroid() then
> >>         mobileStoreConsumePurchase pProductID. //  <--- DOES NOT SEEM TO
> >> CONSUME THE PRODUCT !!
> >>       end if
> >>
> >>       mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
> >>       loadMeUp //refresh our display
> >>       break
> >>     case "error"
> >>       answer "Error occured during purchase handling:" & return & return
> >> & mobileStorePurchaseError(pPurchaseID)
> >>       mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
> >>       break
> >>     case "invalidSKU"
> >>       answer "Invalid SKU."
> >>       mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
> >>       break
> >>     case "alreadyEntitled"
> >>       answer "Already Owned."
> >>       mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
> >>       break
> >>     case "restored"
> >>       answer "restored"
> >>      offerPurchasedProduct pProductID
> >>       mobileStoreConfirmPurchase pProductID
> >>       mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
> >>
> >>       loadMeUp //refresh our display
> >>       break
> >>     case "canceled"
> >>     case "cancelled"
> >>       answer "Purchase Cancelled:" && pProductID
> >>       mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
> >>       break
> >>   end switch
> >> end purchaseStateUpdate
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Do you see anything wonky in my code?
> >>
> >> --Dan
> >>
> >> From: use-livecode <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com> on behalf of
> >> Andrew at MidWest Coast Media via use-livecode <
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> >> Date: Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 10:57 AM
> >> To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> >> Cc: Andrew at MidWest Coast Media <andrew at midwestcoastmedia.com>
> >> Subject: Re: Consumable In App Purchases on Android
> >> If I’m consuming instantly, this is the code working in my Android/iOS
> >> project with comment lines explaining the values being passed in the
> >> Android build (note that the product ID values are more specific for
> >> Android than iOS):
> >>
> >>         if tPlatform = "android" then
> >>                  put "com.midwestcoastmedia.dj3pm." into tProductIDbase
> >>          else if tPlatform = "iPhone" then
> >>                  put EMPTY into tProductIDbase
> >>         end if
> >>         put tProductIDbase & pWhichProduct into tProductID
> >>
> >>       mobileStoreEnablePurchaseUpdates
> >>       ## mobileStoreSetProductType "com.midwestcoastmedia.dj3pm.tip01",
> >> "inapp"
> >>       mobileStoreSetProductType tProductID, "inapp"
> >>       ## mobileStoreMakePurchase "com.midwestcoastmedia.dj3pm.tip01",
> >> "1", "Thanks for the buck!"
> >>       mobileStoreMakePurchase tProductID, "1", tMessage
> >>       ## mobileStoreConsumePurchase "com.midwestcoastmedia.dj3pm.tip01"
> >>       mobileStoreConsumePurchase tProductID
> >>       put the result into tCatch
> >>
> >> BUT you’ll also need to implement the on purchaseStateUpdate handler to
> >> completely execute the purchase cycle. The lesson is sometimes hard to
> >> follow when Android changes their branding/naming but
> >>
> https://lessons.livecode.com/m/4069/l/184481-how-do-i-implement-in-app-purchases-in-livecode-google-play-store
> >> <
> >>
> https://lessons.livecode.com/m/4069/l/184481-how-do-i-implement-in-app-purchases-in-livecode-google-play-store
> ><
> https://lessons.livecode.com/m/4069/l/184481-how-do-i-implement-in-app-purchases-in-livecode-google-play-store%3e
> >
> >> has a good example of this.
> >>
> >> —Andrew Bell
> >> _______________________________________________
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From dan at clearvisiontech.com  Wed Aug  9 16:38:51 2023
From: dan at clearvisiontech.com (Dan Friedman)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2023 20:38:51 +0000
Subject: Consumable In App Purchases on Android
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq974xtmZaQQa0pzSZ0zMjofWkbdUi3bmyL05Mr3vTitqw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.28.1691513283.100098.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
 <C0D6C806-D57D-40B1-9B40-76A1EA7C5805@midwestcoastmedia.com>
 <BYAPR12MB2709555BCD7C872960378DB0B90DA@BYAPR12MB2709.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
 <BYAPR12MB2709E338CDFFB345DC95F728B90DA@BYAPR12MB2709.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
 <CA+JfEq9d7pXrAZ5t0OW+o20a=uhDkZVX0pR03Cp6jowquNxb9Q@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <BYAPR12MB2709051B95A87EA9935CC540B912A@BYAPR12MB2709.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>

Panos,

Again, thank you for your help!   mobileStoreProductProperty works beautifully!   As for the lesson, it’s not that it could have been better, it’s actually pretty good (as most LC lessons are).  It’s just that it needs to be updated to reflect newer methods and procedures.

Given how long your todo list is, I appreciate the time you always take to help me, and all the others out.  It’s GREATLY appreciated!

-Dan


From: use-livecode <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com> on behalf of panagiotis m via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Date: Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 12:46 PM
To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Cc: panagiotis m <merakosp at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Consumable In App Purchases on Android
Hello Dan,

Thanks for the update.

RE 1, I *think* yes, but I would suggest you double check this anyway.

RE 2, I would suggest not using mobilePurchaseGet(). This function is from
the older API for in-app purchases, and we have kept it for backwards
compatibility. I suggest using mobileStoreProductProperty (productID,
propertyName) instead. In fact, using mobileStoreProductProperty
(productID, "purchaseToken") is what you need in this use-case.

RE the lessons, yes, they could have been better. I'll add this to my
(long!) todo list :)

Kind regards,
Panos


From klaus at major-k.de  Thu Aug 10 06:01:41 2023
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2023 12:01:41 +0200
Subject: Android black screen again...
Message-ID: <B06D41E1-B511-4F30-9244-9DC731C08A6D@major-k.de>

Hi friends,

maybe you remember my problem, that my app
turns into a black screen occacionally.

This has happened again about four or five times since 
I reported it here.

This never happens at home, only when I am at a band 
rehearsal, but never at a gig (fingers crossed).

Restarting the dveice definitively cures this, thank you Panos,
but sometimes, especially at a gig, I do not have the time to 
do so. :-/

So any further hints highly appreciated!

macOS 12.6.8, LC 9.6.9, android 5.1 on a SAMSUNG TAB A tablet.
I'm mainly using the PDF widget if that matters...


Best

Klaus
--
Klaus Major
https://www.major-k.de
https://www.major-k.de/bass
klaus at major-k.de



From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Thu Aug 10 11:51:29 2023
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2023 16:51:29 +0100
Subject: Browzer widget zoom/scale?
Message-ID: <22538298-c24d-3077-5038-6dfa5322fb30@cogapp.com>

Is there a way to set the 'zoom level' for the browser widget?

TIA,

Ben


From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Thu Aug 10 15:22:15 2023
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2023 15:22:15 -0400
Subject: xavvi - temper your expectations
Message-ID: <CADCoycNP3n=CuJzfRJ7xZ+5AsGe6jzLFYwyur3EvAyD09-xshg@mail.gmail.com>

i'm using chatgpt and bard, every day, because i can, and because
sometimes they give me more comprehensive things to think about.
but, they are wrong. a lot.
zdnet just published a piece, today, documenting the same thing: wrong
> 50% of the time.
so, temper your expectations for xavvi in the medium term:
https://www.zdnet.com/article/chatgpt-answers-more-than-half-of-software-engineering-questions-incorrectly/

-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


From alex at tweedly.net  Thu Aug 10 15:29:52 2023
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2023 20:29:52 +0100
Subject: Sorting Arrays
In-Reply-To: <F45E93C0-C185-4E9D-99AC-7136847CC350@iotecdigital.com>
References: <F45E93C0-C185-4E9D-99AC-7136847CC350@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <1d2a693e-414c-e7aa-9cd0-b53d76e3962f@tweedly.net>


On 09/08/2023 00:15, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
> Has anyone come across a need to sort a numbered array by the values of the different keys? Here you go.

Absolutely I have needed that quite often now. I tend to use sequences 
(numbered arrays) often - maybe too often.

Up until now I've just done the sorting in the "traditional" way (i.e. 
using multiple "sort" commands), like

>    put seqAsLines(sQ2) into tKeys
>    sort lines of tKeys numeric by sQ2[each]["anumber"]
>    sort lines of tKeys by sQ2[each]["thecategory"]
>    rebuildSeq sQ2, tKeys
(the functions seqAsLines and rebuildSeq are included in the code 
snippet below).

But I really like your idea of having a handler that can be given 
multiple sort keys, and just does it all, so I took a detailed look.

First - a couple of little bugs for you.

> Keep in mind that there is no error checking so I have no idea what would happen if you provided a sort key that didnt exist in the array.
>
> on sortNumberedArray @pArrayDataA, pSortKeys
>           switch
>              case tKeyWord is among the items of "asc,ascending,desc,descending"
>                 put tKeyWord into tSortKeysA [i] ["sortorder"]
>                 break
>              case tKeyWord is "International,Numeric,datetime,text,binary"
'is' should be 'is among the items of'
>                 put tKeyWord into tSortKeysA [i] ["sorttype"]
>                 break
>              default
>                 put word 1 to x of tSortIndex into tSortKeysA [i] ["sortvalue"]
>           end switch
>        end repeat
>     end repeat
>     

Secondly, not sure if it's a bug or simply a limitation - the code fails 
if one of the array keys to use for sorting is one of 
"asc,desc,numeric,...".


And - overall, an alternate suggestion. I think your way is a bot complex.
Combining my "traditional" way as above, and your example, I came up 
with a  simpler way to do the same thing:

> on simpleSortNumberedArray @pArrayDataA, pSortKeys
>    local tKeys, tSeq, tOneSortKey, tSortCommand
>    put seqAsLines(pArrayDataA) into tKeys
>    repeat with I = the number of items in pSortKeys down to 1
>       put item I of pSortKeys into tOneSortKey
>       put "sort lines of tKeys" && word 2 to -1 of tOneSortKey && \
>             "by pArrayData[each][" && word 1 of tOneSortKey && "]" 
> into tSortCommand
>       do tSortCommand
>    end repeat
>    rebuildSeq pArrayDataA, tKeys
> end simpleSortNumberedArray
>
> function seqAsLines pSeq
>    local tRes
>    repeat with i = 1 to the number of elements in pSeq
>       put i & CR after tRes
>    end repeat
>    return tRes
> end seqAsLines
>
> command rebuildSeq @pSeq, pList
>    local tResQ, tCount
>    repeat for each line L in pList
>       add 1 to tCount
>       put pSeq[L] into tResQ[tCount]
>    end repeat
>    put tResQ into pSeq
> end rebuildSeq
This is simpler and, I think, easier to understand. And it's certainly 
much faster: takes 89 msec for my test case rather than 3416 msecs.

Alex.




From alex at tweedly.net  Thu Aug 10 15:32:12 2023
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2023 20:32:12 +0100
Subject: xavvi - temper your expectations
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycNP3n=CuJzfRJ7xZ+5AsGe6jzLFYwyur3EvAyD09-xshg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycNP3n=CuJzfRJ7xZ+5AsGe6jzLFYwyur3EvAyD09-xshg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c0e6694f-ca27-92a0-a15c-722ace9196d9@tweedly.net>

I have high expectations of xavvi - mostly because I want the cloud IDE, 
cloud db, new widgets, ...

Oh - and I might just play with the AI, but I have no short-term 
expectations for that part of it.

:-)

Alex.

On 10/08/2023 20:22, Mike Kerner via use-livecode wrote:
> i'm using chatgpt and bard, every day, because i can, and because
> sometimes they give me more comprehensive things to think about.
> but, they are wrong. a lot.
> zdnet just published a piece, today, documenting the same thing: wrong
>> 50% of the time.
> so, temper your expectations for xavvi in the medium term:
> https://www.zdnet.com/article/chatgpt-answers-more-than-half-of-software-engineering-questions-incorrectly/
>


From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Thu Aug 10 15:31:55 2023
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2023 21:31:55 +0200
Subject: xavvi - temper your expectations
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycNP3n=CuJzfRJ7xZ+5AsGe6jzLFYwyur3EvAyD09-xshg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycNP3n=CuJzfRJ7xZ+5AsGe6jzLFYwyur3EvAyD09-xshg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <136C8206-6B98-4401-9CB7-4CD4B14CEA9F@m-r-d.de>

I thought Xavvi will make use of AI, but the use is not mandatory. So even without AI, XAVVI would be an online development tool which can deploy web apps and which also could import and export Livecode stacks.



Am 10.08.2023 um 21:22 schrieb Mike Kerner via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> i'm using chatgpt and bard, every day, because i can, and because
> sometimes they give me more comprehensive things to think about.
> but, they are wrong. a lot.
> zdnet just published a piece, today, documenting the same thing: wrong
>> 50% of the time.
> so, temper your expectations for xavvi in the medium term:
> https://www.zdnet.com/article/chatgpt-answers-more-than-half-of-software-engineering-questions-incorrectly/
> 
> -- 
> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>   and did a little diving.
> And God said, "This is good."
> 
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> use-livecode mailing list
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Aug 10 16:08:09 2023
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2023 20:08:09 +0000
Subject: Sorting Arrays
In-Reply-To: <1d2a693e-414c-e7aa-9cd0-b53d76e3962f@tweedly.net>
References: <F45E93C0-C185-4E9D-99AC-7136847CC350@iotecdigital.com>
 <1d2a693e-414c-e7aa-9cd0-b53d76e3962f@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <48072F9A-569B-455B-8665-76AE88221DBD@iotecdigital.com>

Thanks Alex, not sure how I missed that. I was only testing for a specific use case and only tried numeric descending. 

Bob S


> On Aug 10, 2023, at 12:29 PM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> On 09/08/2023 00:15, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
>> Has anyone come across a need to sort a numbered array by the values of the different keys? Here you go.
> 
> Absolutely I have needed that quite often now. I tend to use sequences (numbered arrays) often - maybe too often.
> 
> Up until now I've just done the sorting in the "traditional" way (i.e. using multiple "sort" commands), like
> 
>>    put seqAsLines(sQ2) into tKeys
>>    sort lines of tKeys numeric by sQ2[each]["anumber"]
>>    sort lines of tKeys by sQ2[each]["thecategory"]
>>    rebuildSeq sQ2, tKeys
> (the functions seqAsLines and rebuildSeq are included in the code snippet below).
> 
> But I really like your idea of having a handler that can be given multiple sort keys, and just does it all, so I took a detailed look.
> 
> First - a couple of little bugs for you.
> 
>> Keep in mind that there is no error checking so I have no idea what would happen if you provided a sort key that didn’t exist in the array.
>> 
>> on sortNumberedArray @pArrayDataA, pSortKeys
>>          switch
>>             case tKeyWord is among the items of "asc,ascending,desc,descending"
>>                put tKeyWord into tSortKeysA [i] ["sortorder"]
>>                break
>>             case tKeyWord is "International,Numeric,datetime,text,binary"
> 'is' should be 'is among the items of'
>>                put tKeyWord into tSortKeysA [i] ["sorttype"]
>>                break
>>             default
>>                put word 1 to x of tSortIndex into tSortKeysA [i] ["sortvalue"]
>>          end switch
>>       end repeat
>>    end repeat
>>    
> 
> Secondly, not sure if it's a bug or simply a limitation - the code fails if one of the array keys to use for sorting is one of "asc,desc,numeric,...".
> 
> 
> And - overall, an alternate suggestion. I think your way is a bot complex.
> Combining my "traditional" way as above, and your example, I came up with a  simpler way to do the same thing:
> 
>> on simpleSortNumberedArray @pArrayDataA, pSortKeys
>>    local tKeys, tSeq, tOneSortKey, tSortCommand
>>    put seqAsLines(pArrayDataA) into tKeys
>>    repeat with I = the number of items in pSortKeys down to 1
>>       put item I of pSortKeys into tOneSortKey
>>       put "sort lines of tKeys" && word 2 to -1 of tOneSortKey && \
>>             "by pArrayData[each][" && word 1 of tOneSortKey && "]" into tSortCommand
>>       do tSortCommand
>>    end repeat
>>    rebuildSeq pArrayDataA, tKeys
>> end simpleSortNumberedArray
>> 
>> function seqAsLines pSeq
>>    local tRes
>>    repeat with i = 1 to the number of elements in pSeq
>>       put i & CR after tRes
>>    end repeat
>>    return tRes
>> end seqAsLines
>> 
>> command rebuildSeq @pSeq, pList
>>    local tResQ, tCount
>>    repeat for each line L in pList
>>       add 1 to tCount
>>       put pSeq[L] into tResQ[tCount]
>>    end repeat
>>    put tResQ into pSeq
>> end rebuildSeq
> This is simpler and, I think, easier to understand. And it's certainly much faster: takes 89 msec for my test case rather than 3416 msecs.
> 
> Alex.
> 
> 
> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Aug 10 16:28:59 2023
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2023 20:28:59 +0000
Subject: Sorting Arrays
In-Reply-To: <1d2a693e-414c-e7aa-9cd0-b53d76e3962f@tweedly.net>
References: <F45E93C0-C185-4E9D-99AC-7136847CC350@iotecdigital.com>
 <1d2a693e-414c-e7aa-9cd0-b53d76e3962f@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <04F07EA9-5BAF-42E4-AE2A-90124E3D2381@iotecdigital.com>

I see you are sorting the keys of the array. I’ll give your method a try.

Bob S


On Aug 10, 2023, at 12:29 PM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

And - overall, an alternate suggestion. I think your way is a bot complex.
Combining my "traditional" way as above, and your example, I came up with a  simpler way to do the same thing:


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Aug 10 16:34:01 2023
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2023 15:34:01 -0500
Subject: Android black screen again...
In-Reply-To: <B06D41E1-B511-4F30-9244-9DC731C08A6D@major-k.de>
References: <B06D41E1-B511-4F30-9244-9DC731C08A6D@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <189e127faa8.276f.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>

I looked up the Samsung Tab A and it says it runs Android 9, upgradable to 
11. There are multiple RAM options. Is this the one you have? 
<https://m.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_tab_a_10_1_(2019)-9582.php>

 I'm just guessing, but memory may be too low to allow the browser widget 
to work, since it does work after a reboot and the problem only happens 
occasionally. But Android 5 is almost 10 years old and I'd be surprised if 
that is what your tablet is running. Have you checked for an update? You 
have much more control of memory usage with a newer OS.

In any case, you can keep memory usage lower if you delete or disable all 
apps and processes you don't need. You can do that in Settings/Apps. 
Samsung installs a lot of bloatware and if you don't use those things, turn 
them off or remove them. You can't always uninstall these but you can 
disable some of them. Also uninstall any extra apps you don't use. I have a 
newer Samsung tablet and I disabled or deleted almost half the software it 
shipped with. Many of these run in the background and use memory. Launcher 
widgets also run constantly so remove the ones you don't need from your 
launch screens.

--
Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
On August 10, 2023 5:03:24 AM Klaus major-k via use-livecode 
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi friends,
>
> maybe you remember my problem, that my app
> turns into a black screen occacionally.
>
> This has happened again about four or five times since
> I reported it here.
>
> This never happens at home, only when I am at a band
> rehearsal, but never at a gig (fingers crossed).
>
> Restarting the dveice definitively cures this, thank you Panos,
> but sometimes, especially at a gig, I do not have the time to
> do so. :-/
>
> So any further hints highly appreciated!
>
> macOS 12.6.8, LC 9.6.9, android 5.1 on a SAMSUNG TAB A tablet.
> I'm mainly using the PDF widget if that matters...
>
>
> Best
>
> Klaus
> --
> Klaus Major
> https://www.major-k.de
> https://www.major-k.de/bass
> klaus at major-k.de
>
>
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From dsc at swcp.com  Thu Aug 10 18:30:55 2023
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2023 16:30:55 -0600
Subject: Rectangles on Windows?
In-Reply-To: <91D44125-B408-4F17-9E25-4E132B4B8409@swcp.com>
References: <91D44125-B408-4F17-9E25-4E132B4B8409@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <64C8B881-4CE5-4A56-9588-C2BC30A359BD@swcp.com>

Anybody else seeing missing rectangles on Windows?  — Dar

> On Aug 8, 2023, at 12:14 PM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> I have some rectangles that work just fine in development on my Mac.
> 
> However, there are problems in my Windows standalone. 
> 
> Not Showing Up
> Two sets of rectangles are not visible in Windows. One set is opaque and one set is not. The opaque set is made visible or not invisible with a wipe effect. Both sets have a non-zero border thickness
> 
> Showing Up
> Other rectangles have opaque true, backgroundColor red, and border thickness 0. They are visible on Windows. They are also within a group. These are made visible and not visible with a same wipe effect. 
> 
> 
> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Aug 10 18:45:20 2023
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2023 22:45:20 +0000
Subject: Rectangles on Windows?
In-Reply-To: <64C8B881-4CE5-4A56-9588-C2BC30A359BD@swcp.com>
References: <91D44125-B408-4F17-9E25-4E132B4B8409@swcp.com>
 <64C8B881-4CE5-4A56-9588-C2BC30A359BD@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <61993CB1-D125-42DA-8E37-96368DF9F6AA@iotecdigital.com>

Sorry Dar, I do not use rectangles for anything. 

Bob S


> On Aug 10, 2023, at 3:30 PM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Anybody else seeing missing rectangles on Windows?  — Dar
> 
>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 12:14 PM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I have some rectangles that work just fine in development on my Mac.
>> 
>> However, there are problems in my Windows standalone. 
>> 
>> Not Showing Up
>> Two sets of rectangles are not visible in Windows. One set is opaque and one set is not. The opaque set is made visible or not invisible with a wipe effect. Both sets have a non-zero border thickness
>> 
>> Showing Up
>> Other rectangles have opaque true, backgroundColor red, and border thickness 0. They are visible on Windows. They are also within a group. These are made visible and not visible with a same wipe effect. 


From klaus at major-k.de  Fri Aug 11 04:12:56 2023
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2023 10:12:56 +0200
Subject: Android black screen again...
In-Reply-To: <189e127faa8.276f.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <B06D41E1-B511-4F30-9244-9DC731C08A6D@major-k.de>
 <189e127faa8.276f.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <48D02CCA-2419-4562-BBB4-B1912ED34DD6@major-k.de>

Hi Jacque,

> Am 10.08.2023 um 22:34 schrieb J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> I looked up the Samsung Tab A and it says it runs Android 9, upgradable to 11. There are multiple RAM options. Is this the one you have? <https://m.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_tab_a_10_1_(2019)-9582.php>
> 
> I'm just guessing, but memory may be too low to allow the browser widget to work, since it does work after a reboot and the problem only happens occasionally. But Android 5 is almost 10 years old and I'd be surprised if that is what your tablet is running. Have you checked for an update? You have much more control of memory usage with a newer OS.

sorry, my fault, I obviously have an older version of the tablet and it does in fact run Android 8.1.
However it is not upgradable.

> In any case, you can keep memory usage lower if you delete or disable all apps and processes you don't need. You can do that in Settings/Apps. Samsung installs a lot of bloatware and if you don't use those things, turn them off or remove them. You can't always uninstall these but you can disable some of them. Also uninstall any extra apps you don't use. I have a newer Samsung tablet and I disabled or deleted almost half the software it shipped with. Many of these run in the background and use memory. Launcher widgets also run constantly so remove the ones you don't need from your launch screens.

I already did that, snice I only need the device for displaying PDF leadsheets.
But if it would be a memory issue, then it would happen more often, I think.

The problem is that this is not reproducable, it happens out of a sudden if it happens.
Even the hardware BACKKEY does not work in that situation, only the HOMEKEY so I can 
at least quit the app.

> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> On August 10, 2023 5:03:24 AM Klaus major-k via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hi friends,
>> 
>> maybe you remember my problem, that my app
>> turns into a black screen occacionally.
>> 
>> This has happened again about four or five times since
>> I reported it here.
>> 
>> This never happens at home, only when I am at a band
>> rehearsal, but never at a gig (fingers crossed).
>> 
>> Restarting the dveice definitively cures this, thank you Panos,
>> but sometimes, especially at a gig, I do not have the time to
>> do so. :-/
>> 
>> So any further hints highly appreciated!
>> 
>> macOS 12.6.8, LC 9.6.9, android 5.1 on a SAMSUNG TAB A tablet.
>> I'm mainly using the PDF widget if that matters...

Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
https://www.major-k.de
https://www.major-k.de/bass
klaus at major-k.de



From dsc at swcp.com  Fri Aug 11 10:19:52 2023
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2023 08:19:52 -0600
Subject: Rectangles on Windows?
In-Reply-To: <61993CB1-D125-42DA-8E37-96368DF9F6AA@iotecdigital.com>
References: <91D44125-B408-4F17-9E25-4E132B4B8409@swcp.com>
 <64C8B881-4CE5-4A56-9588-C2BC30A359BD@swcp.com>
 <61993CB1-D125-42DA-8E37-96368DF9F6AA@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <0916EA2B-8E51-4C5A-B8E5-C50FC5B85197@swcp.com>

Hmmm. Maybe few use rectangles. I could try a polyline or a group. — Dar

> On Aug 10, 2023, at 4:45 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Sorry Dar, I do not use rectangles for anything. 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Aug 10, 2023, at 3:30 PM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Anybody else seeing missing rectangles on Windows?  — Dar
>> 
>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 12:14 PM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I have some rectangles that work just fine in development on my Mac.
>>> 
>>> However, there are problems in my Windows standalone. 
>>> 
>>> Not Showing Up
>>> Two sets of rectangles are not visible in Windows. One set is opaque and one set is not. The opaque set is made visible or not invisible with a wipe effect. Both sets have a non-zero border thickness
>>> 
>>> Showing Up
>>> Other rectangles have opaque true, backgroundColor red, and border thickness 0. They are visible on Windows. They are also within a group. These are made visible and not visible with a same wipe effect. 
> 
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From paul at researchware.com  Fri Aug 11 11:19:50 2023
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2023 11:19:50 -0400
Subject: Rectangles on Windows?
In-Reply-To: <0916EA2B-8E51-4C5A-B8E5-C50FC5B85197@swcp.com>
References: <91D44125-B408-4F17-9E25-4E132B4B8409@swcp.com>
 <64C8B881-4CE5-4A56-9588-C2BC30A359BD@swcp.com>
 <61993CB1-D125-42DA-8E37-96368DF9F6AA@iotecdigital.com>
 <0916EA2B-8E51-4C5A-B8E5-C50FC5B85197@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <32b1c3d5-15b2-3328-9458-5fc38f4b3520@researchware.com>

If you want to send me a link to your Windows standalone, I would be 
happy to download it (Windows 11 HP laptop) and see if I see the same 
thing. Or a link to your stack and I can see if it appears in the LC 
9.6.9 IDE if you want.


On 8/11/2023 10:19 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode wrote:
> Hmmm. Maybe few use rectangles. I could try a polyline or a group.  Dar
>
>> On Aug 10, 2023, at 4:45 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> Sorry Dar, I do not use rectangles for anything.
>>
>> Bob S
>>
>>
>>> On Aug 10, 2023, at 3:30 PM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Anybody else seeing missing rectangles on Windows?   Dar
>>>
>>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 12:14 PM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have some rectangles that work just fine in development on my Mac.
>>>>
>>>> However, there are problems in my Windows standalone.
>>>>
>>>> Not Showing Up
>>>> Two sets of rectangles are not visible in Windows. One set is opaque and one set is not. The opaque set is made visible or not invisible with a wipe effect. Both sets have a non-zero border thickness
>>>>
>>>> Showing Up
>>>> Other rectangles have opaque true, backgroundColor red, and border thickness 0. They are visible on Windows. They are also within a group. These are made visible and not visible with a same wipe effect.
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Aug 11 13:20:33 2023
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2023 17:20:33 +0000
Subject: Tab Widget Go command
Message-ID: <871423F1-6902-4A9D-A85A-4DEE8AF2D9CD@iotecdigital.com>

In the dictionary, there is a Go command for widgets. I assumed this meant I can do something like: 

Go forward in widget “TabBar”

But that does not work. Any ideas? I can kludge it. I would rather not have to. 

Bob S


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Aug 11 16:30:55 2023
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2023 15:30:55 -0500
Subject: Android black screen again...
In-Reply-To: <48D02CCA-2419-4562-BBB4-B1912ED34DD6@major-k.de>
References: <B06D41E1-B511-4F30-9244-9DC731C08A6D@major-k.de>
 <189e127faa8.276f.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <48D02CCA-2419-4562-BBB4-B1912ED34DD6@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <a170a673-0998-7a36-9ca8-d1c26fe158c7@hyperactivesw.com>

On 8/11/23 3:12 AM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote:
> The problem is that this is not reproducable, it happens out of a sudden if it happens.
> Even the hardware BACKKEY does not work in that situation, only the HOMEKEY so I can
> at least quit the app.

That's called an ANR ("Application Not Responding"). Something in the app is causing a hang. If 
you wait long enough, Android should put up a dialog asking if you want to wait or close the 
app. If you choose to wait, sometimes it comes back. However, the wait can be 10-20 seconds or 
more so people often just quit before the dialog appears.

The problem here is figuring out what causes it. Is it always the same PDF file? Or maybe it 
happens after opening a certain number of files, or the length of a file, or the cumulative 
length of several files, or...? If it isn't reproducible, it's very difficult to find the cause.

If it happens to you at home some day, see if waiting 15 seconds or more puts up that dialog. 
That would confirm it's an ANR.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Aug 11 18:00:22 2023
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2023 17:00:22 -0500
Subject: Sorting Arrays
In-Reply-To: <1d2a693e-414c-e7aa-9cd0-b53d76e3962f@tweedly.net>
References: <F45E93C0-C185-4E9D-99AC-7136847CC350@iotecdigital.com>
 <1d2a693e-414c-e7aa-9cd0-b53d76e3962f@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <9d073821-5337-fca9-185d-3623d399eb79@hyperactivesw.com>

On 8/10/23 2:29 PM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:
> Combining my "traditional" way as above, and your example, I came up with a  simpler way to do 
> the same thing:
> 
>> on simpleSortNumberedArray @pArrayDataA, pSortKeys
>>    local tKeys, tSeq, tOneSortKey, tSortCommand
>>    put seqAsLines(pArrayDataA) into tKeys
>>    repeat with I = the number of items in pSortKeys down to 1
>>       put item I of pSortKeys into tOneSortKey
>>       put "sort lines of tKeys" && word 2 to -1 of tOneSortKey && \
>>             "by pArrayData[each][" && word 1 of tOneSortKey && "]" into tSortCommand
>>       do tSortCommand
>>    end repeat
>>    rebuildSeq pArrayDataA, tKeys
>> end simpleSortNumberedArray
>>
>> function seqAsLines pSeq
>>    local tRes
>>    repeat with i = 1 to the number of elements in pSeq
>>       put i & CR after tRes
>>    end repeat
>>    return tRes
>> end seqAsLines
>>
>> command rebuildSeq @pSeq, pList
>>    local tResQ, tCount
>>    repeat for each line L in pList
>>       add 1 to tCount
>>       put pSeq[L] into tResQ[tCount]
>>    end repeat
>>    put tResQ into pSeq
>> end rebuildSeq 

I couldn't get this to work until I altered it, but I was using a very simple array. What type 
of array data did you use? I think I'm missing something.

I just did this:

   put the weekdayNames into tDataA
   split tDataA by cr
   simpleSortNumberedArray tDataA, "descending,text"

For that array, this worked:

on simpleSortNumberedArray pArrayDataA, pSortKeys
   local tKeys, tSeq, tOneSortKey, tSortCommand
   put seqAsLines(pArrayDataA) into tKeys
   repeat with I = the number of items in pSortKeys down to 1
     put item I of pSortKeys into tOneSortKey
     --    put "sort lines of tKeys" && word 2 to -1 of tOneSortKey && \
     --      "by pArrayDataA[each][" && word 1 of tOneSortKey && "]" into tSortCommand
     put "sort lines of tKeys" && tOneSortKey into tSortCommand
     do tSortCommand
   end repeat
   rebuildSeq pArrayDataA, tKeys
end simpleSortNumberedArray

function seqAsLines pSeq
   local tRes
   --  repeat with i = 1 to the number of elements in pSeq
   repeat for each element e in pSeq
     put e & CR after tRes
   end repeat
   return tRes
end seqAsLines

command rebuildSeq @pSeq, pList
   local tResQ, tCount
   repeat for each line L in pList
     add 1 to tCount
     --    put pSeq[L] into tResQ[tCount]
     put L into tResQ[tCount]
   end repeat
   put tResQ into pSeq
end rebuildSeq

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From alex at tweedly.net  Fri Aug 11 19:58:59 2023
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2023 00:58:59 +0100
Subject: Sorting Arrays
In-Reply-To: <9d073821-5337-fca9-185d-3623d399eb79@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <F45E93C0-C185-4E9D-99AC-7136847CC350@iotecdigital.com>
 <1d2a693e-414c-e7aa-9cd0-b53d76e3962f@tweedly.net>
 <9d073821-5337-fca9-185d-3623d399eb79@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <ca68b8a6-8b5e-3357-269a-143b24dda262@tweedly.net>


On 11/08/2023 23:00, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
> On 8/10/23 2:29 PM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:
> [ ... code from earlier posting ...]

> I couldn't get this to work until I altered it, but I was using a very 
> simple array. What type of array data did you use? I think I'm missing 
> something.
>
> I just did this:
>
>   put the weekdayNames into tDataA
>   split tDataA by cr
>   simpleSortNumberedArray tDataA, "descending,text"
>
What you're missing is that this (simpleSortNumberedArray) is only 
intended for "numbered array"s (which LC is calling "sequences" in some 
places); i.e. an array where the (top-level) keys are all consecutive 
integers, from 1 .... n

Also, the pSortkeys should be a number of comma-separated items, each of 
which consists of a key by which you want to sort the array followed 
optionally by an order and type.

So you might do something like :

> on mouseup
>    local tCounter, tDataA
>
>    repeat for each line L in the weekdayNames
>       add 1 to tCounter
>       put L into tDataA[tCounter]["dayname"]
>       put the number of chars in L into tDataA[tCounter]["charcount"]
>    end repeat
>
>    -- sorts ascending by name (i.e. F, M, Sa, Su, Th, Tu, W)
>    simpleSortNumberedArray tDataA, "dayname"
>    repeat with I = 1 to 7
>       put tDataA[I]["charcount"] && tDataA[I]["dayname"] & CR after msg
>    end repeat
>
>    put "---------" &CR after msg
>
>    -- sorts descending numeric by number of characters in name
>    --  NB within each char count value, they remain in alphabetical 
> order of name
>    simpleSortNumberedArray tDataA, "charcount numeric descending"
>    repeat with I = 1 to 7
>       put tDataA[I]["charcount"] && tDataA[I]["dayname"] & CR after msg
>    end repeat
> end mouseup
and get as output

> 6 Friday
> 6 Monday
> 8 Saturday
> 6 Sunday
> 8 Thursday
> 7 Tuesday
> 9 Wednesday
> ---------
> 9 Wednesday
> 8 Saturday
> 8 Thursday
> 7 Tuesday
> 6 Friday
> 6 Monday
> 6 Sunday

So - it would be worth adding a check that the array passed in is indeed 
a sequence, at the start of simpleSortNumberedArray:

if NOT (pArrayDataA is an array AND \
            item 2 of extents(pArrayDataA) is the number of elements in 
pArrayDataA) then \
                  return pArrayData

I'm now going to add this to my personal library, but I'll rename it to

     seqSortMultipleKeys

Alex.




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Aug 11 20:07:47 2023
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2023 00:07:47 +0000
Subject: Sorting Arrays
In-Reply-To: <ca68b8a6-8b5e-3357-269a-143b24dda262@tweedly.net>
References: <F45E93C0-C185-4E9D-99AC-7136847CC350@iotecdigital.com>
 <1d2a693e-414c-e7aa-9cd0-b53d76e3962f@tweedly.net>
 <9d073821-5337-fca9-185d-3623d399eb79@hyperactivesw.com>
 <ca68b8a6-8b5e-3357-269a-143b24dda262@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <43732233-0960-4653-BF08-F6BC36DB4275@iotecdigital.com>

Send me what you have. Thanks. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 11, 2023, at 17:02, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On 11/08/2023 23:00, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
>> On 8/10/23 2:29 PM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:
>> [ ... code from earlier posting ...]
> 
>> I couldn't get this to work until I altered it, but I was using a very simple array. What type of array data did you use? I think I'm missing something.
>> 
>> I just did this:
>> 
>>   put the weekdayNames into tDataA
>>   split tDataA by cr
>>   simpleSortNumberedArray tDataA, "descending,text"
>> 
> What you're missing is that this (simpleSortNumberedArray) is only intended for "numbered array"s (which LC is calling "sequences" in some places); i.e. an array where the (top-level) keys are all consecutive integers, from 1 .... n
> 
> Also, the pSortkeys should be a number of comma-separated items, each of which consists of a key by which you want to sort the array followed optionally by an order and type.
> 
> So you might do something like :
> 
>> on mouseup
>>    local tCounter, tDataA
>> 
>>    repeat for each line L in the weekdayNames
>>       add 1 to tCounter
>>       put L into tDataA[tCounter]["dayname"]
>>       put the number of chars in L into tDataA[tCounter]["charcount"]
>>    end repeat
>> 
>>    -- sorts ascending by name (i.e. F, M, Sa, Su, Th, Tu, W)
>>    simpleSortNumberedArray tDataA, "dayname"
>>    repeat with I = 1 to 7
>>       put tDataA[I]["charcount"] && tDataA[I]["dayname"] & CR after msg
>>    end repeat
>> 
>>    put "---------" &CR after msg
>> 
>>    -- sorts descending numeric by number of characters in name
>>    --  NB within each char count value, they remain in alphabetical order of name
>>    simpleSortNumberedArray tDataA, "charcount numeric descending"
>>    repeat with I = 1 to 7
>>       put tDataA[I]["charcount"] && tDataA[I]["dayname"] & CR after msg
>>    end repeat
>> end mouseup
> and get as output
> 
>> 6 Friday
>> 6 Monday
>> 8 Saturday
>> 6 Sunday
>> 8 Thursday
>> 7 Tuesday
>> 9 Wednesday
>> ---------
>> 9 Wednesday
>> 8 Saturday
>> 8 Thursday
>> 7 Tuesday
>> 6 Friday
>> 6 Monday
>> 6 Sunday
> 
> So - it would be worth adding a check that the array passed in is indeed a sequence, at the start of simpleSortNumberedArray:
> 
> if NOT (pArrayDataA is an array AND \
>            item 2 of extents(pArrayDataA) is the number of elements in pArrayDataA) then \
>                  return pArrayData
> 
> I'm now going to add this to my personal library, but I'll rename it to
> 
>     seqSortMultipleKeys
> 
> Alex.
> 
> 
> 
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From klaus at major-k.de  Sat Aug 12 03:31:21 2023
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2023 09:31:21 +0200
Subject: Android black screen again...
In-Reply-To: <a170a673-0998-7a36-9ca8-d1c26fe158c7@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <B06D41E1-B511-4F30-9244-9DC731C08A6D@major-k.de>
 <189e127faa8.276f.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <48D02CCA-2419-4562-BBB4-B1912ED34DD6@major-k.de>
 <a170a673-0998-7a36-9ca8-d1c26fe158c7@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <43493CFD-F381-41E1-AD4D-0FC859801E5B@major-k.de>

Hi Jacque,

you wrote:

> I'm just guessing, but memory may be too low to allow the browser widget to work,

however I am not using the browser widget (does not display PDFs on Andoid!)
but the PDF widget!

> Am 11.08.2023 um 22:30 schrieb J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> On 8/11/23 3:12 AM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote:
>> The problem is that this is not reproducable, it happens out of a sudden if it happens.
>> Even the hardware BACKKEY does not work in that situation, only the HOMEKEY so I can
>> at least quit the app.
> 
> That's called an ANR ("Application Not Responding"). Something in the app is causing a hang. If you wait long enough, Android should put up a dialog asking if you want to wait or close the app. If you choose to wait, sometimes it comes back. However, the wait can be 10-20 seconds or more so people often just quit before the dialog appears.

OK, if I have the time I will wait next time and see what happens.

> The problem here is figuring out what causes it. Is it always the same PDF file? Or maybe it happens after opening a certain number of files, or the length of a file, or the cumulative length of several files, or...? If it isn't reproducible, it's very difficult to find the cause.

It happen when I start the app, at that point there is no PDF loaded, just the "start card"
with a couple of poly grids.

It also happened in the same "session", means no switching the device off and on again.
I started the device then opened my app, no problems.
Then I quit my app and started again, BOOM, black screen.

> If it happens to you at home some day, see if waiting 15 seconds or more puts up that dialog. That would confirm it's an ANR.

Yes, will do, thanks for the hint!

> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com

Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
https://www.major-k.de
https://www.major-k.de/bass
klaus at major-k.de



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Aug 12 12:30:17 2023
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2023 11:30:17 -0500
Subject: Sorting Arrays
In-Reply-To: <ca68b8a6-8b5e-3357-269a-143b24dda262@tweedly.net>
References: <F45E93C0-C185-4E9D-99AC-7136847CC350@iotecdigital.com>
 <1d2a693e-414c-e7aa-9cd0-b53d76e3962f@tweedly.net>
 <9d073821-5337-fca9-185d-3623d399eb79@hyperactivesw.com>
 <ca68b8a6-8b5e-3357-269a-143b24dda262@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <189ea958da8.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>

Got it, thanks. The array was numbered but I didn't have enough dimensions.

--
Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
On August 11, 2023 7:03:33 PM Alex Tweedly via use-livecode 
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> On 11/08/2023 23:00, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
>> On 8/10/23 2:29 PM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:
>> [ ... code from earlier posting ...]
>
>> I couldn't get this to work until I altered it, but I was using a very
>> simple array. What type of array data did you use? I think I'm missing
>> something.
>>
>> I just did this:
>>
>>   put the weekdayNames into tDataA
>>   split tDataA by cr
>>   simpleSortNumberedArray tDataA, "descending,text"
>>
> What you're missing is that this (simpleSortNumberedArray) is only
> intended for "numbered array"s (which LC is calling "sequences" in some
> places); i.e. an array where the (top-level) keys are all consecutive
> integers, from 1 .... n
>
> Also, the pSortkeys should be a number of comma-separated items, each of
> which consists of a key by which you want to sort the array followed
> optionally by an order and type.
>
> So you might do something like :
>
>> on mouseup
>>    local tCounter, tDataA
>>
>>    repeat for each line L in the weekdayNames
>>       add 1 to tCounter
>>       put L into tDataA[tCounter]["dayname"]
>>       put the number of chars in L into tDataA[tCounter]["charcount"]
>>    end repeat
>>
>>    -- sorts ascending by name (i.e. F, M, Sa, Su, Th, Tu, W)
>>    simpleSortNumberedArray tDataA, "dayname"
>>    repeat with I = 1 to 7
>>       put tDataA[I]["charcount"] && tDataA[I]["dayname"] & CR after msg
>>    end repeat
>>
>>    put "---------" &CR after msg
>>
>>    -- sorts descending numeric by number of characters in name
>>    --  NB within each char count value, they remain in alphabetical
>> order of name
>>    simpleSortNumberedArray tDataA, "charcount numeric descending"
>>    repeat with I = 1 to 7
>>       put tDataA[I]["charcount"] && tDataA[I]["dayname"] & CR after msg
>>    end repeat
>> end mouseup
> and get as output
>
>> 6 Friday
>> 6 Monday
>> 8 Saturday
>> 6 Sunday
>> 8 Thursday
>> 7 Tuesday
>> 9 Wednesday
>> ---------
>> 9 Wednesday
>> 8 Saturday
>> 8 Thursday
>> 7 Tuesday
>> 6 Friday
>> 6 Monday
>> 6 Sunday
>
> So - it would be worth adding a check that the array passed in is indeed
> a sequence, at the start of simpleSortNumberedArray:
>
> if NOT (pArrayDataA is an array AND \
>            item 2 of extents(pArrayDataA) is the number of elements in
> pArrayDataA) then \
>                  return pArrayData
>
> I'm now going to add this to my personal library, but I'll rename it to
>
>     seqSortMultipleKeys
>
> Alex.
>
>
>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Aug 12 12:35:47 2023
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2023 11:35:47 -0500
Subject: Sorting Arrays
In-Reply-To: <43732233-0960-4653-BF08-F6BC36DB4275@iotecdigital.com>
References: <F45E93C0-C185-4E9D-99AC-7136847CC350@iotecdigital.com>
 <1d2a693e-414c-e7aa-9cd0-b53d76e3962f@tweedly.net>
 <9d073821-5337-fca9-185d-3623d399eb79@hyperactivesw.com>
 <ca68b8a6-8b5e-3357-269a-143b24dda262@tweedly.net>
 <43732233-0960-4653-BF08-F6BC36DB4275@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <189ea9a92d0.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>

I used a short, one-dimensional numbered array:

put the weekdayNames into tDataA
split tDataA by cr
simpleSortNumberedArray tDataA, "descending,text"

But as Alex explained, one dimension wasn't enough.

--
Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
On August 11, 2023 7:09:50 PM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Send me what you have. Thanks.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Aug 11, 2023, at 17:02, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode 
>> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>>> On 11/08/2023 23:00, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
>>> On 8/10/23 2:29 PM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:
>>> [ ... code from earlier posting ...]
>>
>>> I couldn't get this to work until I altered it, but I was using a very 
>>> simple array. What type of array data did you use? I think I'm missing 
>>> something.
>>>
>>> I just did this:
>>>
>>>   put the weekdayNames into tDataA
>>>   split tDataA by cr
>>>   simpleSortNumberedArray tDataA, "descending,text"
>>>
>> What you're missing is that this (simpleSortNumberedArray) is only intended 
>> for "numbered array"s (which LC is calling "sequences" in some places); 
>> i.e. an array where the (top-level) keys are all consecutive integers, from 
>> 1 .... n
>>
>> Also, the pSortkeys should be a number of comma-separated items, each of 
>> which consists of a key by which you want to sort the array followed 
>> optionally by an order and type.
>>
>> So you might do something like :
>>
>>> on mouseup
>>>    local tCounter, tDataA
>>>
>>>    repeat for each line L in the weekdayNames
>>>       add 1 to tCounter
>>>       put L into tDataA[tCounter]["dayname"]
>>>       put the number of chars in L into tDataA[tCounter]["charcount"]
>>>    end repeat
>>>
>>>    -- sorts ascending by name (i.e. F, M, Sa, Su, Th, Tu, W)
>>>    simpleSortNumberedArray tDataA, "dayname"
>>>    repeat with I = 1 to 7
>>>       put tDataA[I]["charcount"] && tDataA[I]["dayname"] & CR after msg
>>>    end repeat
>>>
>>>    put "---------" &CR after msg
>>>
>>>    -- sorts descending numeric by number of characters in name
>>>    --  NB within each char count value, they remain in alphabetical order of name
>>>    simpleSortNumberedArray tDataA, "charcount numeric descending"
>>>    repeat with I = 1 to 7
>>>       put tDataA[I]["charcount"] && tDataA[I]["dayname"] & CR after msg
>>>    end repeat
>>> end mouseup
>> and get as output
>>
>>> 6 Friday
>>> 6 Monday
>>> 8 Saturday
>>> 6 Sunday
>>> 8 Thursday
>>> 7 Tuesday
>>> 9 Wednesday
>>> ---------
>>> 9 Wednesday
>>> 8 Saturday
>>> 8 Thursday
>>> 7 Tuesday
>>> 6 Friday
>>> 6 Monday
>>> 6 Sunday
>>
>> So - it would be worth adding a check that the array passed in is indeed a 
>> sequence, at the start of simpleSortNumberedArray:
>>
>> if NOT (pArrayDataA is an array AND \
>>            item 2 of extents(pArrayDataA) is the number of elements in pArrayDataA) then \
>>                  return pArrayData
>>
>> I'm now going to add this to my personal library, but I'll rename it to
>>
>>     seqSortMultipleKeys
>>
>> Alex.
>>
>>
>>
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Sat Aug 12 18:22:18 2023
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2023 22:22:18 +0000
Subject: Sorting Arrays
In-Reply-To: <189ea9a92d0.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <F45E93C0-C185-4E9D-99AC-7136847CC350@iotecdigital.com>
 <1d2a693e-414c-e7aa-9cd0-b53d76e3962f@tweedly.net>
 <9d073821-5337-fca9-185d-3623d399eb79@hyperactivesw.com>
 <ca68b8a6-8b5e-3357-269a-143b24dda262@tweedly.net>
 <43732233-0960-4653-BF08-F6BC36DB4275@iotecdigital.com>
 <189ea9a92d0.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <96401816-CDD0-4F24-935F-679A1B49E0AB@iotecdigital.com>

I formatted the sortKeys as I would an SQL query or an LC sort, but then I needed to isolate the key from the parameters because I couldn’t assume the sort key was simply the first word. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 12, 2023, at 09:36, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I used a short, one-dimensional numbered array:
> 
> put the weekdayNames into tDataA
> split tDataA by cr
> simpleSortNumberedArray tDataA, "descending,text"
> 
> But as Alex explained, one dimension wasn't enough.
> 
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>> On August 11, 2023 7:09:50 PM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Send me what you have. Thanks.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Aug 11, 2023, at 17:02, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?
>>>> On 11/08/2023 23:00, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
>>>> On 8/10/23 2:29 PM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:
>>>> [ ... code from earlier posting ...]
>>> 
>>>> I couldn't get this to work until I altered it, but I was using a very simple array. What type of array data did you use? I think I'm missing something.
>>>> 
>>>> I just did this:
>>>> 
>>>>  put the weekdayNames into tDataA
>>>>  split tDataA by cr
>>>>  simpleSortNumberedArray tDataA, "descending,text"
>>>> 
>>> What you're missing is that this (simpleSortNumberedArray) is only intended for "numbered array"s (which LC is calling "sequences" in some places); i.e. an array where the (top-level) keys are all consecutive integers, from 1 .... n
>>> 
>>> Also, the pSortkeys should be a number of comma-separated items, each of which consists of a key by which you want to sort the array followed optionally by an order and type.
>>> 
>>> So you might do something like :
>>> 
>>>> on mouseup
>>>>   local tCounter, tDataA
>>>> 
>>>>   repeat for each line L in the weekdayNames
>>>>      add 1 to tCounter
>>>>      put L into tDataA[tCounter]["dayname"]
>>>>      put the number of chars in L into tDataA[tCounter]["charcount"]
>>>>   end repeat
>>>> 
>>>>   -- sorts ascending by name (i.e. F, M, Sa, Su, Th, Tu, W)
>>>>   simpleSortNumberedArray tDataA, "dayname"
>>>>   repeat with I = 1 to 7
>>>>      put tDataA[I]["charcount"] && tDataA[I]["dayname"] & CR after msg
>>>>   end repeat
>>>> 
>>>>   put "---------" &CR after msg
>>>> 
>>>>   -- sorts descending numeric by number of characters in name
>>>>   --  NB within each char count value, they remain in alphabetical order of name
>>>>   simpleSortNumberedArray tDataA, "charcount numeric descending"
>>>>   repeat with I = 1 to 7
>>>>      put tDataA[I]["charcount"] && tDataA[I]["dayname"] & CR after msg
>>>>   end repeat
>>>> end mouseup
>>> and get as output
>>> 
>>>> 6 Friday
>>>> 6 Monday
>>>> 8 Saturday
>>>> 6 Sunday
>>>> 8 Thursday
>>>> 7 Tuesday
>>>> 9 Wednesday
>>>> ---------
>>>> 9 Wednesday
>>>> 8 Saturday
>>>> 8 Thursday
>>>> 7 Tuesday
>>>> 6 Friday
>>>> 6 Monday
>>>> 6 Sunday
>>> 
>>> So - it would be worth adding a check that the array passed in is indeed a sequence, at the start of simpleSortNumberedArray:
>>> 
>>> if NOT (pArrayDataA is an array AND \
>>>           item 2 of extents(pArrayDataA) is the number of elements in pArrayDataA) then \
>>>                 return pArrayData
>>> 
>>> I'm now going to add this to my personal library, but I'll rename it to
>>> 
>>>    seqSortMultipleKeys
>>> 
>>> Alex.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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From neville.smythe at optusnet.com.au  Sun Aug 13 08:45:39 2023
From: neville.smythe at optusnet.com.au (Neville Smythe)
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2023 22:45:39 +1000
Subject: Linux file names in LC Server
Message-ID: <903ADB0E-1E82-44C9-96A1-C4FE62EC10B9@optusnet.com.au>

As we know with LC it is pretty straightforward to deal with internationalised text for remote databases and unknown user platforms by conversion to utf-8. But I have come across a problem with Linux filenames containing non-ascii characters which has me befuddled.

My many-years-old app has until now just required all filenames to be in standard 7-bit ascii, so it was way past time I brought it up to date. 

The app talks to a database, media  and web site on a unix (DreamHost) server using LC server as intermediary.

I create a file say “Carré.txt” on a Mac - the non-ascii character in that name being [e-acute] - I shall use this convention from now on to ensure what is displayed here on the forum is understood.

BTW, as far as I can determine that character in the Mac file system is a single byte hex [8e], the classic MacRoman encoding, not its utf-8 2-byte [C3A9] encoding. So I don’t understand how macOS handles unicode in its filesystem, which it certainly does. We are exhorted to textEncode to utf-8 when exporting anything outside LC but perhaps not filenames??  If I textEncode the filename and save with that name I get a new file “Carr[squareroot copyright].txt”. I am befuddled already - how does macOS distinguish MacRoman encoding from unicode encoding when it displays a file name? - but that is another story for another place..

Oh, and another story: it ain't true that all text in LC is utf-16: While it’s not possible using LC-API’s to determine exactly what is inside the black-box of an LC variable in memory, it is evidently platform dependent —  that MacRoman [8e] is reported as being the relevant byte in the LC variable. What can be determined is what is on disk when a stack is saved: there text appears to be encoded as a mixture of 7-bit ascii when it can be, utf-16 encoding for other characters. Not that we as consumers need to know how the magic is performed, as long as it works. Back to my story..

So now I want to upload this file to my remote Linux server. I POST a form, prepared with libURLMultiPartFormData, to an LC Server script, which is supposed to save the received file.

If I attempt to use the original Mac file name, the server responds “Cannot open file Carr[e-acute].txt” 
(this is the Result error message from "open file tFileName for binary write”)

If I send textEncode(filename, utf-8) as the file name, the server responds “Cannot open file Carr[squareroot][copyright].txt”

If I textEncode at the client end, and then textDecode on the server it responds “Cannot open file Carre[E-grave].txt” (Where did THAT come from? Is there a bug in textDecode on Linux LCS?  The native encoding on Linux is supposed to be ISO-Latin-1, where E-grave is hex [C8], in MacRoman it is [E9], no apparent connections between them or the utf-8 bytes.)

And just as a piece of nonsense, if I send the raw un-Encoded Mac file name, but then textDecode on the server, the file is happily saved as “Carr.txt”, which is correct since [8e] followed by .  is illegal as utf-8, so the [e-acute] is just skipped by textDecode.

Could it be that LCserver cannot create files on Linux  with non-ascii names?!?  That doesn’t seem believable. I can of course directly create files on the server with non-ascii characters such as e-acute.

Either I am missing something, or surely our European users have seen this already, so someone should be able to unfuddle me!

Neville Smythe




From harrison at all-auctions.com  Sun Aug 13 09:29:46 2023
From: harrison at all-auctions.com (harrison at all-auctions.com)
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2023 09:29:46 -0400
Subject: LC 9.6.9 App uses too much memory!
In-Reply-To: <903ADB0E-1E82-44C9-96A1-C4FE62EC10B9@optusnet.com.au>
References: <903ADB0E-1E82-44C9-96A1-C4FE62EC10B9@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <848FFA3D-F8BA-45F1-8595-B4742FE107B9@all-auctions.com>

Hi LiveCoders,

I just got a warning from the OS that I was out of application memory. Livecode was using over 90 GB of memory!

The stack runs fine under LC 9.6.8 without any issues whatsoever, but as soon as I open it with LC 9.6.9 the problem reappears.
(I have to use force quit to shut down LC 9.6.9 when this happens.)

I’m running Mac OS Ventura on an M1 processor that has 16 GB of Memory.

Clearly this is a bug in LC 9.6.9, but I don’t know what is causing the problem.
I noticed that others in the past have run into a similar problem.  Was this
ever reported as a bug?

Do you have any ideas or suggestions?

Thanks,

Rick

From neville.smythe at optusnet.com.au  Sun Aug 13 21:45:59 2023
From: neville.smythe at optusnet.com.au (Neville Smythe)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2023 11:45:59 +1000
Subject: Linux filenames in LC Server
Message-ID: <E5AA10DB-86D7-4F58-9975-777FFD510042@optusnet.com.au>

OK, so the macOS *is* using utf-8 for its file names - the [e-acute] in the filename Carré.txt is rendered with two bytes [C3A9] not the single byte MacRoman encoding. I got tricked by copying the terminal listing into another program rather than hex dumping within the terminal, and somewhere in the process the native encoding was preferred. 

So one must *not* textEncode a filename to utf-8 before writing a file to disk, LC deals with the encoding, although you *should” textEncode its contents.

Which leaves the problem of why I can’t get LC Server on Linux to write non-ascii filenames

Neville Smythe





From dan at clearvisiontech.com  Mon Aug 14 01:34:04 2023
From: dan at clearvisiontech.com (Dan Friedman)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2023 05:34:04 +0000
Subject: Oddities with iOS IAP
In-Reply-To: <E5AA10DB-86D7-4F58-9975-777FFD510042@optusnet.com.au>
References: <E5AA10DB-86D7-4F58-9975-777FFD510042@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <BYAPR12MB2709E835086A8746A977C2FAB917A@BYAPR12MB2709.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>

I am getting some inconsistent results with in in app purchases from the iOS App Store.   In the TestFlight dev environment, the purchase “seems” to be complete…  I get all the normal iOS prompts to purchase the product, enter the password, etc.  I even get the “You’re All Set.  Your purchase was successful.” message.  But, most of the time the purcahseStateUpdate message is never received.  (Yes!  I am calling mobileStoreEnablePurchaseUpdates before anything else).

Also, after calling mobileStoreMakePurchase, there is quite a pause before you get the “confirm purchase” dialog… I mean like 7 to 10 seconds.  And, after you make the purchase (and you hear the ‘ding’), there is another 4-5 second pause before the “Your purchase was successful” message.   Is that normal?

Any thoughts, insights or advise?   Maybe this is a TestFlight dev environment thing?

FWIW, I have no issues on Android.  Google Play store is working as expected – every time.

-Dan


From mark at livecode.com  Mon Aug 14 06:13:51 2023
From: mark at livecode.com (Mark Waddingham)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2023 11:13:51 +0100
Subject: LC 9.6.9 App uses too much memory!
In-Reply-To: <848FFA3D-F8BA-45F1-8595-B4742FE107B9@all-auctions.com>
References: <903ADB0E-1E82-44C9-96A1-C4FE62EC10B9@optusnet.com.au>
 <848FFA3D-F8BA-45F1-8595-B4742FE107B9@all-auctions.com>
Message-ID: <332932d5c6b5963e704c40816aec8145@livecode.com>

On 2023-08-13 14:29, harrison--- via use-livecode wrote:
> Hi LiveCoders,
> 
> Clearly this is a bug in LC 9.6.9, but I dont know what is causing the 
> problem.
> I noticed that others in the past have run into a similar problem.  Was 
> this
> ever reported as a bug?

Could you file a bug report with recipe and attach (or send to 
support at livecode.com if its sensitive) the stack and recipe for 
reproducing the problem so we can take a look.

Thanks in advance,

Mark.

-- 
Mark Waddingham ~ mark at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
LiveCode: Build Amazing Things


From mark at livecode.com  Mon Aug 14 06:22:03 2023
From: mark at livecode.com (Mark Waddingham)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2023 11:22:03 +0100
Subject: Linux filenames in LC Server
In-Reply-To: <E5AA10DB-86D7-4F58-9975-777FFD510042@optusnet.com.au>
References: <E5AA10DB-86D7-4F58-9975-777FFD510042@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <e6cfaea8845d1fb8043e364cb2dd1e67@livecode.com>

On 2023-08-14 02:45, Neville Smythe via use-livecode wrote:
> OK, so the macOS *is* using utf-8 for its file names - the [e-acute] in 
> the filename Carr.txt is rendered with two bytes [C3A9] not the single 
> byte MacRoman encoding. I got tricked by copying the terminal listing 
> into another program rather than hex dumping within the terminal, and 
> somewhere in the process the native encoding was preferred.
> 
> So one must *not* textEncode a filename to utf-8 before writing a file 
> to disk, LC deals with the encoding, although you *should textEncode 
> its contents.
> 
> Which leaves the problem of why I cant get LC Server on Linux to write 
> non-ascii filenames

So I suspect the problem here is normalization, rather than the 
inability of Linux to write non-ascii filenames.

Characters such as e-acute / e-grave have *two* representations in 
unicode - the decomposed and composed form.

The composed form is a direct mapping from the native encodings and is a 
single codepoint, the decomposed form will be two codepoints - (e, 
combining-acute/grave)

Depending on where the string comes from it might either be composed or 
decomposed - macOS filenames are stored decomposed in the FS, but the 
higher-level parts of the OS make either form work (in a similar fashion 
to how macOS filesystems are case-insensitive by default).

Linux filesystems, however, are both case-sensitive and form-sensitive - 
a filename must match byte to byte with what it was created with 
(indeed, linux filesystems care nothing for encodings, they see 
filenames as a sequence of bytes which are interpreted relative to the 
user's current locale - the default locale on linux these days is 
utf-8).

If your app is managing the files completely on Linux (i.e. it is 
creating / deleting them and the filenames are not user-editable) then 
(if this is the caseu) the problem should be fixable by choosing a 
normalization form when you create / lookup the file - i.e. pass all 
filenames on the server through `normalizeText(<str>, <form>)` - here 
you want form to be either "NFC" (composed) or "NFD" (decomposed).

Warmest Regards,

Mark.

P.S. For all the gory details about Unicode normalization forms see - 
https://unicode.org/reports/tr15/

-- 
Mark Waddingham ~ mark at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
LiveCode: Build Amazing Things


From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Mon Aug 14 07:12:55 2023
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2023 13:12:55 +0200
Subject: Linux filenames in LC Server
In-Reply-To: <e6cfaea8845d1fb8043e364cb2dd1e67@livecode.com>
References: <E5AA10DB-86D7-4F58-9975-777FFD510042@optusnet.com.au>
 <e6cfaea8845d1fb8043e364cb2dd1e67@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <22FED311-D92C-4C60-BDB2-AB9336209572@m-r-d.de>

Hi Mark,

when i read Neville's post i thought also about normalize, although i really do not have a clue about the whole unicode stuff, but i remembered that the standalone builder make use of the normalize function. ;)

So i used this script on LC Server to write the seconds to a file containing an a-umlaut in its name.

put  normalizeText("testä.txt", "NFC") into tFile
put the seconds into URL ("binfile:"&tFile)
put the result
put "<br><br>"
put the files
put "<br><br>"
put tFile

But that does not work. "The result" returns 'can't open file'. 
As i already wrote i have no clue about unicode so i tried also NFD and also the other 2 options, but also w/o success.

Is there something else that  one hast to keep in mind to have success with this?


Regards,
Matthias



> Am 14.08.2023 um 12:22 schrieb Mark Waddingham via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> On 2023-08-14 02:45, Neville Smythe via use-livecode wrote:
>> OK, so the macOS *is* using utf-8 for its file names - the [e-acute] in the filename Carré.txt is rendered with two bytes [C3A9] not the single byte MacRoman encoding. I got tricked by copying the terminal listing into another program rather than hex dumping within the terminal, and somewhere in the process the native encoding was preferred.
>> So one must *not* textEncode a filename to utf-8 before writing a file to disk, LC deals with the encoding, although you *should” textEncode its contents.
>> Which leaves the problem of why I can’t get LC Server on Linux to write non-ascii filenames
> 
> So I suspect the problem here is normalization, rather than the inability of Linux to write non-ascii filenames.
> 
> Characters such as e-acute / e-grave have *two* representations in unicode - the decomposed and composed form.
> 
> The composed form is a direct mapping from the native encodings and is a single codepoint, the decomposed form will be two codepoints - (e, combining-acute/grave)
> 
> Depending on where the string comes from it might either be composed or decomposed - macOS filenames are stored decomposed in the FS, but the higher-level parts of the OS make either form work (in a similar fashion to how macOS filesystems are case-insensitive by default).
> 
> Linux filesystems, however, are both case-sensitive and form-sensitive - a filename must match byte to byte with what it was created with (indeed, linux filesystems care nothing for encodings, they see filenames as a sequence of bytes which are interpreted relative to the user's current locale - the default locale on linux these days is utf-8).
> 
> If your app is managing the files completely on Linux (i.e. it is creating / deleting them and the filenames are not user-editable) then (if this is the caseu) the problem should be fixable by choosing a normalization form when you create / lookup the file - i.e. pass all filenames on the server through `normalizeText(<str>, <form>)` - here you want form to be either "NFC" (composed) or "NFD" (decomposed).
> 
> Warmest Regards,
> 
> Mark.
> 
> P.S. For all the gory details about Unicode normalization forms see - https://unicode.org/reports/tr15/
> 
> -- 
> Mark Waddingham ~ mark at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
> LiveCode: Build Amazing Things
> 
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From mark at livecode.com  Mon Aug 14 07:30:09 2023
From: mark at livecode.com (Mark Waddingham)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2023 12:30:09 +0100
Subject: Linux filenames in LC Server
In-Reply-To: <22FED311-D92C-4C60-BDB2-AB9336209572@m-r-d.de>
References: <E5AA10DB-86D7-4F58-9975-777FFD510042@optusnet.com.au>
 <e6cfaea8845d1fb8043e364cb2dd1e67@livecode.com>
 <22FED311-D92C-4C60-BDB2-AB9336209572@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <451d838117d6857f9af371ba2a213583@livecode.com>

On 2023-08-14 12:12, matthias rebbe via use-livecode wrote:
> Hi Mark,
> 
> when i read Neville's post i thought also about normalize, although i 
> really do not have a clue about the whole unicode stuff, but i 
> remembered that the standalone builder make use of the normalize 
> function. ;)
> 
> So i used this script on LC Server to write the seconds to a file 
> containing an a-umlaut in its name.
> 
> put  normalizeText("test.txt", "NFC") into tFile
> put the seconds into URL ("binfile:"&tFile)
> put the result
> put "<br><br>"
> put the files
> put "<br><br>"
> put tFile
> 
> But that does not work. "The result" returns 'can't open file'.

Hmmm - I must confess that I misread Neville's post - he did explicitly 
mention 'creating' files... The normalization would only arise if the 
file already existed, but the requested (incoming) filename was 
normalized differently (thus resulting in the file not being found).

So assuming that the defaultFolder is accessible in your above script 
(as a read-only folder would also cause the same error) then there does 
appear to be something up here...

Warmest Regards,

Mark.

-- 
Mark Waddingham ~ mark at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
LiveCode: Build Amazing Things


From mark at livecode.com  Mon Aug 14 07:50:31 2023
From: mark at livecode.com (Mark Waddingham)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2023 12:50:31 +0100
Subject: Linux filenames in LC Server
In-Reply-To: <451d838117d6857f9af371ba2a213583@livecode.com>
References: <E5AA10DB-86D7-4F58-9975-777FFD510042@optusnet.com.au>
 <e6cfaea8845d1fb8043e364cb2dd1e67@livecode.com>
 <22FED311-D92C-4C60-BDB2-AB9336209572@m-r-d.de>
 <451d838117d6857f9af371ba2a213583@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <681007f43f924ec513c60f842fbd84bd@livecode.com>

On 2023-08-14 12:30, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode wrote:
> So assuming that the defaultFolder is accessible in your above script 
> (as a read-only folder would also cause the same error) then there does 
> appear to be something up here...

Okay so I'm pretty sure the linux server engine is doing the right 
thing.

As mentioned previously, Linux filesystems don't actually care what the 
encoding of a filename is - to linux its just a sequence of bytes

The interpretation is given by the 'locale' settings which are in effect 
for any given program.

So, when you run lc-server from a terminal session directly, its almost 
certainly the case that the LC_ALL and LANG environment variables are 
set to en_US.UTF-8 (or some other language code DOT UTF-8 - it is the 
UTF-8 which is the important bit).

On Linux, a C API nl_langinfo() is used to fetch the encoding to use 
when talking to the system APIs (e.g. filesystem APIs) - this (I 
believe) derives its information from LANG/LC_ALL.

If the latter *are not set* then it will likely default to the 'C' 
locale which has no interpretation of any non-ascii chars, and thus 
attempts to encode/decode utf-8 encoded filenames will fail.

My theory is that these variables are not set in the configuration for 
running CGIs in Apache (or whatever web server is being used in this 
instance).

Digging around it looks like Apache (at least) has a `SetEnv` directive 
which would allow these environment variables to be set, e.g.

   SetEnv LC_ALL en_US.UTF-8
   SetEnv LANG en_US.UTF-8

Although I'm not 100% sure where such things go, perhaps someone more 
conversant with apache config could chime in to suggest.

Warmest Regards,

Mark.

-- 
Mark Waddingham ~ mark at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
LiveCode: Build Amazing Things


From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Mon Aug 14 07:53:27 2023
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2023 13:53:27 +0200
Subject: Linux filenames in LC Server
In-Reply-To: <451d838117d6857f9af371ba2a213583@livecode.com>
References: <E5AA10DB-86D7-4F58-9975-777FFD510042@optusnet.com.au>
 <e6cfaea8845d1fb8043e364cb2dd1e67@livecode.com>
 <22FED311-D92C-4C60-BDB2-AB9336209572@m-r-d.de>
 <451d838117d6857f9af371ba2a213583@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <DFAFEAC2-0880-4703-AF4A-1A72AEB02A36@m-r-d.de>

see below...


> Am 14.08.2023 um 13:30 schrieb Mark Waddingham via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> On 2023-08-14 12:12, matthias rebbe via use-livecode wrote:
>> Hi Mark,
>> when i read Neville's post i thought also about normalize, although i really do not have a clue about the whole unicode stuff, but i remembered that the standalone builder make use of the normalize function. ;)
>> So i used this script on LC Server to write the seconds to a file containing an a-umlaut in its name.
>> put  normalizeText("testä.txt", "NFC") into tFile
>> put the seconds into URL ("binfile:"&tFile)
>> put the result
>> put "<br><br>"
>> put the files
>> put "<br><br>"
>> put tFile
>> But that does not work. "The result" returns 'can't open file'.
> 
> Hmmm - I must confess that I misread Neville's post - he did explicitly mention 'creating' files... The normalization would only arise if the file already existed, but the requested (incoming) filename was normalized differently (thus resulting in the file not being found).
> 
> So assuming that the defaultFolder is accessible in your above script (as a read-only folder would also cause the same error) then there does appear to be something up here...
> 

The default folder is accessible. The same script works when the ä is removed  from the line
put  normalizeText("testä.txt", "NFC") into tFile



> Warmest Regards,
> 
> Mark.
> 
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From dsc at swcp.com  Mon Aug 14 20:07:27 2023
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2023 18:07:27 -0600
Subject: JSON
Message-ID: <6D0C53CB-4658-4911-96DE-370B5BA6E3EB@swcp.com>


I’m about write some scripts that fiddle with JSON. I have some old stacks of mine about someplace. But, I got to thinking there might be something faster about someplace. Ideas?

Dar

From andrew at midwestcoastmedia.com  Mon Aug 14 23:29:01 2023
From: andrew at midwestcoastmedia.com (Andrew at MidWest Coast Media)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2023 23:29:01 -0400
Subject: iOS media player
Message-ID: <A7A06684-AA9B-475D-A3D1-14B8FDB4DA82@midwestcoastmedia.com>

I have a project that needs updating but mobile media controls have completely changed since I last worked on this app. Seems now that the mobile player for iOS is a completely transparent rectangle until the user taps on it when 3 controls appear (rewind 10, play/pause, fast forward 10).

Is there any way to make this overlay appear automatically? Once it appears it persists even after updating the media file. It feels like I’m going to have to create a skin (WinAMP flashbacks) for the media player that used to have standard timeline & playback UI from the OS.

The logical command (in my head at least) was 
	mobileControlSet "audioPlayer", "showController", TRUE
but that acts more like a visibility command rather than calling up the controls. 

Here is a video showing the player object with a blueBackground and the controls appearing only after tapping on the mobile player: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/q84nccwrqcct8jsmgwvs0/iOS_player.mp4?rlkey=mhqcuz96z9a88ztldweacdsco&dl=0 <https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/q84nccwrqcct8jsmgwvs0/iOS_player.mp4?rlkey=mhqcuz96z9a88ztldweacdsco&dl=0> 

Curious how others have handled this change.

—Andrew Bell

From tore.nilsen at me.com  Tue Aug 15 00:58:15 2023
From: tore.nilsen at me.com (Tore Nilsen)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2023 06:58:15 +0200
Subject: JSON
In-Reply-To: <6D0C53CB-4658-4911-96DE-370B5BA6E3EB@swcp.com>
References: <6D0C53CB-4658-4911-96DE-370B5BA6E3EB@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <BDDB5B6F-5179-42D6-96DF-3006D7E0BB7C@me.com>

JsonImport will make an array of your JSON data, whereas JsonExport will turn your array into JSON data. Not much fiddling there.

Best regards
Tore Nilsen

> 15. aug. 2023 kl. 02:07 skrev Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> 
> I’m about write some scripts that fiddle with JSON. I have some old stacks of mine about someplace. But, I got to thinking there might be something faster about someplace. Ideas?
> 
> Dar
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Aug 15 01:16:48 2023
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2023 08:16:48 +0300
Subject: JSON
In-Reply-To: <BDDB5B6F-5179-42D6-96DF-3006D7E0BB7C@me.com>
References: <6D0C53CB-4658-4911-96DE-370B5BA6E3EB@swcp.com>
 <BDDB5B6F-5179-42D6-96DF-3006D7E0BB7C@me.com>
Message-ID: <CAL3fwtj0exDZ6B2Yt384_G74e_mbmiK8sXTd+5Ma+RddG7-SkA@mail.gmail.com>

This has recently been explored across on the forums where I managed to
expose my full level of ignorance on the subject.

Best, Richmond.

On Tue, 15 Aug 2023, 07:59 Tore Nilsen via use-livecode, <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> JsonImport will make an array of your JSON data, whereas JsonExport will
> turn your array into JSON data. Not much fiddling there.
>
> Best regards
> Tore Nilsen
>
> > 15. aug. 2023 kl. 02:07 skrev Dar Scott via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> >
> >
> > I’m about write some scripts that fiddle with JSON. I have some old
> stacks of mine about someplace. But, I got to thinking there might be
> something faster about someplace. Ideas?
> >
> > Dar
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From neville.smythe at optusnet.com.au  Tue Aug 15 03:42:45 2023
From: neville.smythe at optusnet.com.au (Neville Smythe)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2023 17:42:45 +1000
Subject: Linux filenames in LC Server
Message-ID: <E66AFF8F-D41D-4524-99DD-B31DA0B737B3@optusnet.com.au>

Thanks Mark and Matthias

I think it is clear the problem is not related to variant forms - if I replace [e-acute] by any other non-ascii character, such as a Kanji character or emoji, I get the same “can’t open that file” error. And the weird decoding of [e-acute] to [E-grave] would be explained if textDecode is failing in LC Server.

So if I understand Mark correctly, while one can create utf-8 encoded filenames directly in a terminal session,  LC Server internally accesses Apache environment variables to encode/decode the filename before opening a file rather than directly using the shell. Presumably this has something to do with the engine being a server app having to respect the server environment.  

On Dreamhost, as far as I can determine, the LANG and LC-ALL variables are *not* set (though WordPress is running and it adds support for a swathe of languages, so surely has support for non-ascii filenames?) The site is a shared hosting, so I do not have permissions to change the Apache conf files. I tried adding the SetEnv commands in the .htaccess file but that didn’t work, although I could well be doing it wrong, I am fumbling around in the dark here.

Unless there is some way to fix the configuration, it would seem that not only will opening files fail but the detailed files (the long files) command will also fail if non-ascii characters are encountered since it uses textEncode. I presume that using shell commands could be used as a workaround for accessing the filesystem, as long as LC doesn’t do an internal textEncode as it passes the variables to the shell! 

However it also means one cannot use textDecode/Encode at all, not just for the filenames but also content; and that could be a bummer. I haven’t encountered this so far because to this point I have encoded content before uploading binary files to the server, but I can envision situations where I would want to encode or decode server-side.

I’m puzzled that this problem hasn’t been raised before. Surely the vast majority of website host providers use Linux servers, and the Dreamhost configuration for shared hosting is most likely standard. So has no-one in Europe (or Asia..) using LC Server wanted to create native-language filenames? I think LC Server is a magnificent tool, but perhaps it is not as widely used as it deserves! Or: they all found the fix and haven’t told us.

> So, when you run lc-server from a terminal session directly, its almost 
> certainly the case that the LC_ALL and LANG environment variables are 
> set to en_US.UTF-8 (or some other language code DOT UTF-8 - it is the 
> UTF-8 which is the important bit).
> 
> On Linux, a C API nl_langinfo() is used to fetch the encoding to use 
> when talking to the system APIs (e.g. filesystem APIs) - this (I 
> believe) derives its information from LANG/LC_ALL.
> 
> If the latter *are not set* then it will likely default to the 'C' 
> locale which has no interpretation of any non-ascii chars, and thus 
> attempts to encode/decode utf-8 encoded filenames will fail.
> 
> My theory is that these variables are not set in the configuration for 
> running CGIs in Apache (or whatever web server is being used in this 
> instance).
> 
> Digging around it looks like Apache (at least) has a `SetEnv` directive 
> which would allow these environment variables to be set, e.g.
> 
>   SetEnv LC_ALL en_US.UTF-8
>   SetEnv LANG en_US.UTF-8
> 
> Although I'm not 100% sure where such things go, perhaps someone more 
> conversant with apache config could chime in to suggest.
Neville Smythe





From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Tue Aug 15 04:06:51 2023
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2023 10:06:51 +0200
Subject: Linux filenames in LC Server
In-Reply-To: <E66AFF8F-D41D-4524-99DD-B31DA0B737B3@optusnet.com.au>
References: <E66AFF8F-D41D-4524-99DD-B31DA0B737B3@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <4A5C44CF-2B54-44D7-9F9D-C69B0651C319@m-r-d.de>

What definitely works, at least here,  is to urlencode the filename before creating it
So that e.g. testä would be created as test%E4
As urlencode does not "harm" you could use it in general, not only for non-ascii file names. 
And if you want to display the "real" name you just have to urldecode the filename again.





> Am 15.08.2023 um 09:42 schrieb Neville Smythe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Thanks Mark and Matthias
> 
> I think it is clear the problem is not related to variant forms - if I replace [e-acute] by any other non-ascii character, such as a Kanji character or emoji, I get the same “can’t open that file” error. And the weird decoding of [e-acute] to [E-grave] would be explained if textDecode is failing in LC Server.
> 
> So if I understand Mark correctly, while one can create utf-8 encoded filenames directly in a terminal session,  LC Server internally accesses Apache environment variables to encode/decode the filename before opening a file rather than directly using the shell. Presumably this has something to do with the engine being a server app having to respect the server environment.  
> 
> On Dreamhost, as far as I can determine, the LANG and LC-ALL variables are *not* set (though WordPress is running and it adds support for a swathe of languages, so surely has support for non-ascii filenames?) The site is a shared hosting, so I do not have permissions to change the Apache conf files. I tried adding the SetEnv commands in the .htaccess file but that didn’t work, although I could well be doing it wrong, I am fumbling around in the dark here.
> 
> Unless there is some way to fix the configuration, it would seem that not only will opening files fail but the detailed files (the long files) command will also fail if non-ascii characters are encountered since it uses textEncode. I presume that using shell commands could be used as a workaround for accessing the filesystem, as long as LC doesn’t do an internal textEncode as it passes the variables to the shell! 
> 
> However it also means one cannot use textDecode/Encode at all, not just for the filenames but also content; and that could be a bummer. I haven’t encountered this so far because to this point I have encoded content before uploading binary files to the server, but I can envision situations where I would want to encode or decode server-side.
> 
> I’m puzzled that this problem hasn’t been raised before. Surely the vast majority of website host providers use Linux servers, and the Dreamhost configuration for shared hosting is most likely standard. So has no-one in Europe (or Asia..) using LC Server wanted to create native-language filenames? I think LC Server is a magnificent tool, but perhaps it is not as widely used as it deserves! Or: they all found the fix and haven’t told us.
> 
>> So, when you run lc-server from a terminal session directly, its almost 
>> certainly the case that the LC_ALL and LANG environment variables are 
>> set to en_US.UTF-8 (or some other language code DOT UTF-8 - it is the 
>> UTF-8 which is the important bit).
>> 
>> On Linux, a C API nl_langinfo() is used to fetch the encoding to use 
>> when talking to the system APIs (e.g. filesystem APIs) - this (I 
>> believe) derives its information from LANG/LC_ALL.
>> 
>> If the latter *are not set* then it will likely default to the 'C' 
>> locale which has no interpretation of any non-ascii chars, and thus 
>> attempts to encode/decode utf-8 encoded filenames will fail.
>> 
>> My theory is that these variables are not set in the configuration for 
>> running CGIs in Apache (or whatever web server is being used in this 
>> instance).
>> 
>> Digging around it looks like Apache (at least) has a `SetEnv` directive 
>> which would allow these environment variables to be set, e.g.
>> 
>>  SetEnv LC_ALL en_US.UTF-8
>>  SetEnv LANG en_US.UTF-8
>> 
>> Although I'm not 100% sure where such things go, perhaps someone more 
>> conversant with apache config could chime in to suggest.
> Neville Smythe
> 
> 
> 
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From merakosp at gmail.com  Tue Aug 15 04:31:37 2023
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis m)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2023 11:31:37 +0300
Subject: Oddities with iOS IAP
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR12MB2709E835086A8746A977C2FAB917A@BYAPR12MB2709.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
References: <E5AA10DB-86D7-4F58-9975-777FFD510042@optusnet.com.au>
 <BYAPR12MB2709E835086A8746A977C2FAB917A@BYAPR12MB2709.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq-iKB_pNpzkkn0jEJUwKheSLTfBupW0Co+AEqQivve+HQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Dan,

Could you share the code that makes the purchase, as well as the
purchaseStateUpdate message?

Although, my guess is that this is rather a TestFlight issue, since if it
was an issue in LC's API for in-app purchase on iOS, it would have been
reported
ready.

Kind regards,
Panos
--

From mark at livecode.com  Tue Aug 15 04:44:15 2023
From: mark at livecode.com (Mark Waddingham)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2023 09:44:15 +0100
Subject: Linux filenames in LC Server
In-Reply-To: <E66AFF8F-D41D-4524-99DD-B31DA0B737B3@optusnet.com.au>
References: <E66AFF8F-D41D-4524-99DD-B31DA0B737B3@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <4feb08be2f5d097077b387d0d4709c55@livecode.com>

On 2023-08-15 08:42, Neville Smythe via use-livecode wrote:
> So if I understand Mark correctly, while one can create utf-8 encoded 
> filenames directly in a terminal
> session,  LC Server internally accesses Apache environment variables to 
> encode/decode the filename
> before opening a file rather than directly using the shell. Presumably 
> this has something to do with
> the engine being a server app having to respect the server environment.

So what is actually happening here is that there is a notion of a 
'SysString' in the engine. A 'SysString' is a string represented as a 
sequence of bytes in whatever encoding the host platform understands in 
its APIs. The engine converts its internal string representation to a 
sys string whenever it accesses a system API - e.g. for opening files.

In the case of Linux what encoding such 'sys strings' need to use 
depends on the environment - the encoding *could* be anything and thus 
the engine uses the UNIX 'iconv' library to convert from internal 
representation to the encoded bytes needed. I think this is what is 
causing the failure of the file APIs - iconv is refusing to convert a 
string with non-ascii characters to the 'default' 'C' locale as it can't 
(there is no mapping from, say, e-acute to ascii).

I should point out that textEncode/Decode do not use system APIs - the 
conversions between UTF* forms and 'native' are all built into the 
engine - so that part is fine - its the low-level connection between 
commands like 'open file' and calling the UNIX open API which is 
throwing an error on file name conversion.

> On Dreamhost, as far as I can determine, the LANG and LC-ALL variables 
> are *not* set (though WordPress
> is running and it adds support for a swathe of languages, so surely has 
> support for non-ascii filenames?)
> The site is a shared hosting, so I do not have permissions to change 
> the Apache conf files. I tried adding
> the SetEnv commands in the .htaccess file but that didnt work, 
> although I could well be doing it wrong,
> I am fumbling around in the dark here.

The only thing I've found so far is SetEnv which does look like it can 
only be configured in the host config for a domain which is slightly 
irksome. However, there is a way to launch the CGI engine with any vars 
needed.

I'm not sure how Dreamhost sets things up - indeed it might be worth 
asking their support if there is a way to configure environment 
variables which are passed through to CGI executables.

If there isn't then it can be done with a launcher script:

```
#!/bin/sh
export LC_ALL="en_US.UTF8"
export LANG="en_US.UTF8"
exec livecode-server
```

This would be a text file which has been made executable - and needs to 
be configured as the executable which is launched when a livecode server 
script is launched (livecode-server in the above needs to be the 
location of the livecode-server executable in the hosting setup).

I know others here use (or have used) Dreamhost in the past - so they 
might know more about how the above could be configured (although, 
again, Dreamhost support can probably help).


> Unless there is some way to fix the configuration, it would seem that 
> not only will opening files
> fail but the detailed files (the long files) command will also fail if 
> non-ascii characters are
> encountered since it uses textEncode. I presume that using shell 
> commands could be used as a workaround
> for accessing the filesystem, as long as LC doesnt do an internal 
> textEncode as it passes the
> variables to the shell!
> However it also means one cannot use textDecode/Encode at all, not just 
> for the filenames but also
> content; and that could be a bummer. I havent encountered this so far 
> because to this point I have
> encoded content before uploading binary files to the server, but I can 
> envision situations where I
> would want to encode or decode server-side.

The problem isn't with textEncode/Decode - they work fine as mentioned 
above - its just the engine doesn't have the necessary information (due 
to lack of env vars) to know how to interpret/create the filenames the 
system APIs need.

> Im puzzled that this problem hasnt been raised before. Surely the 
> vast majority of website host
> providers use Linux servers, and the Dreamhost configuration for shared 
> hosting is most likely
> standard. So has no-one in Europe (or Asia..) using LC Server wanted to 
> create native-language
> filenames? I think LC Server is a magnificent tool, but perhaps it is 
> not as widely used as it
> deserves! Or: they all found the fix and havent told us.

This is almost certainly a server setup/config thing - I guess apache 
(by default) runs CGIs in the most 'raw' environment possible by 
default.

The observation about Wordpress is interesting - certainly before PHP 
was 'unicodified' - the encoding of filenames was up to the script - 
i.e. you had to to encode/decode filenames appropriately yourself and I 
guess utf-8 was just assumed. With PHP7 I believe it handles unicode 
transparently a bit like LC does, so I'll see if I can see what PHP7+ 
uses to determine the system encoding. Indeed, it might do no harm at 
all to just assume UTF-8 encoding for Linux in the engine if the locale 
vars are not set (which appears to be the case here) which would resolve 
the problem transparently.

Warmest Regards,

Mark.

-- 
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LiveCode: Build Amazing Things


From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Tue Aug 15 07:08:06 2023
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2023 12:08:06 +0100
Subject: Browser widget: "Navigation request cancelled"
Message-ID: <706baeb4-f0f0-5fd3-9358-d0e3181ad045@cogapp.com>

Trying to use the browser widget to access an internal site, I'm having a lot 
of trouble.

If I send it (by setting the URL property of the widget) to the root of the 
hostname, it loads the page succesfully, although the widget gets a 
browserDocumentLoadFailed message "navigation request cancelled".

If I set the URL property to some pages within the site, they load succesfully 
without that message.

If I set the URL property to some other pages, they do not load, and that 
message is received.

It's completely consistent which URLs work, and which don't.

If I send the widget to a URL which works, I can navigate anywhere within the 
site without problems, including to the URLs which don't work using set.

I haven't managed to pin down what distinguishes the working URLs from 
non-working. All the non-working ones I've found involve query parameters; but 
some of the working ones do also.

My question is: how can I debug this issue? Are there any ways to get insight 
into the loading process?

I am catching and reporting these messages:
	browserDocumentLoadFailed
	browserDocumentLoadComplete
	browserNavigateFailed
	browserNavigateComplete
	browserUnhandledLoadRequest

... but the only ones that trigger are either browserDocumentLoadFailed or 
browserUnhandledLoadRequest, or browserDocumentLoadComplete - always with the 
parameter being the requested URL. I'm guessing, though I might be wrong, that 
the issue is actually with one of the elements being requested by the 
document, but this is never in the parameter.

Additionally, browserProgressChanged never seems to be sent.

Is it possible to get any more detail about what's going on?

TIA,

Ben


From mark at livecode.com  Tue Aug 15 07:17:36 2023
From: mark at livecode.com (Mark Waddingham)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2023 12:17:36 +0100
Subject: Browser widget: "Navigation request cancelled"
In-Reply-To: <706baeb4-f0f0-5fd3-9358-d0e3181ad045@cogapp.com>
References: <706baeb4-f0f0-5fd3-9358-d0e3181ad045@cogapp.com>
Message-ID: <beaddd5da9787544b959cdc5b40b0546@livecode.com>

On 2023-08-15 12:08, Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode wrote:
> Is it possible to get any more detail about what's going on?

I'm guessing you are using 10-dp-5 :)

The issues here are regressions caused by the switch to WKWebView in 10 
(previously we used the older WebView system web browser API):

The missing progressChanged messages issue is 
https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=24271

The missing other messages issue is 
https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=24247

The latter is related to server vs local redirects in the web page.

Both should be fixed in the upcoming 10-dp-6.

Warmest Regards,

Mark.

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From dsc at swcp.com  Tue Aug 15 09:46:43 2023
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2023 07:46:43 -0600
Subject: JSON
In-Reply-To: <BDDB5B6F-5179-42D6-96DF-3006D7E0BB7C@me.com>
References: <6D0C53CB-4658-4911-96DE-370B5BA6E3EB@swcp.com>
 <BDDB5B6F-5179-42D6-96DF-3006D7E0BB7C@me.com>
Message-ID: <9C25DFE8-3B1D-4BD1-916F-9CD012283140@swcp.com>

Thanks, Tore!

I found these in the dictionary. For JsonImport I noted this:

The return value may be any of the following types, depending on the content of the file:

Array (for a JSON object)
List (for a JSON array)
String (for a JSON string)
Number (for any JSON number)
Boolean (for JSON true or false)
nothing (for JSON null)
How would an array of objects be translated? What is nothing?

Dar


> On Aug 14, 2023, at 10:58 PM, Tore Nilsen via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> JsonImport will make an array of your JSON data, whereas JsonExport will turn your array into JSON data. Not much fiddling there.
> 
> Best regards
> Tore Nilsen
> 
>> 15. aug. 2023 kl. 02:07 skrev Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>> 
>> 
>> I’m about write some scripts that fiddle with JSON. I have some old stacks of mine about someplace. But, I got to thinking there might be something faster about someplace. Ideas?
>> 
>> Dar
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From tore.nilsen at me.com  Tue Aug 15 10:03:13 2023
From: tore.nilsen at me.com (Tore Nilsen)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2023 16:03:13 +0200
Subject: JSON
In-Reply-To: <9C25DFE8-3B1D-4BD1-916F-9CD012283140@swcp.com>
References: <6D0C53CB-4658-4911-96DE-370B5BA6E3EB@swcp.com>
 <BDDB5B6F-5179-42D6-96DF-3006D7E0BB7C@me.com>
 <9C25DFE8-3B1D-4BD1-916F-9CD012283140@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <15D33484-F79F-43EB-9F2B-38C01F74DABB@me.com>

An array of object would be turned into a multidimensional  array with value pairs in LiveCode. Depending on the source the main keys may be numeric or assosiative, like in these examples:

contriesArray[1][name]
contriesArray[1][capitol]
contriesArray[1][inhabitants]

Or 

contriesArray[«Norway"][capitol]
contriesArray[«Norway»][inhabitants]

Tore


> 15. aug. 2023 kl. 15:46 skrev Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Thanks, Tore!
> 
> I found these in the dictionary. For JsonImport I noted this:
> 
> The return value may be any of the following types, depending on the content of the file:
> 
> Array (for a JSON object)
> List (for a JSON array)
> String (for a JSON string)
> Number (for any JSON number)
> Boolean (for JSON true or false)
> nothing (for JSON null)
> How would an array of objects be translated? What is nothing?
> 
> Dar
> 
> 
>> On Aug 14, 2023, at 10:58 PM, Tore Nilsen via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> JsonImport will make an array of your JSON data, whereas JsonExport will turn your array into JSON data. Not much fiddling there.
>> 
>> Best regards
>> Tore Nilsen
>> 
>>> 15. aug. 2023 kl. 02:07 skrev Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I’m about write some scripts that fiddle with JSON. I have some old stacks of mine about someplace. But, I got to thinking there might be something faster about someplace. Ideas?
>>> 
>>> Dar
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From dan at clearvisiontech.com  Tue Aug 15 10:48:01 2023
From: dan at clearvisiontech.com (Dan Friedman)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2023 14:48:01 +0000
Subject: Oddities with iOS IAP
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq-iKB_pNpzkkn0jEJUwKheSLTfBupW0Co+AEqQivve+HQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E5AA10DB-86D7-4F58-9975-777FFD510042@optusnet.com.au>
 <BYAPR12MB2709E835086A8746A977C2FAB917A@BYAPR12MB2709.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
 <CA+JfEq-iKB_pNpzkkn0jEJUwKheSLTfBupW0Co+AEqQivve+HQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BYAPR12MB2709BA4141291AD00FF37263B914A@BYAPR12MB2709.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>

Panos,

Thank you for the reply.   Here is my code…. You click a button, and it calls startInAppPurchase with the number of credits to purchase.  After all is done, pLog is completely empty.  This is working perfectly on Android.

on startInAppPurchase numCredits
  //setup purchase id
  if numCredits = 1 then
    put 1001 into productID
    put "$0.99" into productAmount
  else if numCredits = 2 then
    put 1002 into productID
    put "$1.99" into productAmount
  else if numCredits = 3 then
    put 1003 into productID
    put "$2.99" into productAmount
  else if numCredits = 11 then
    put 1011 into productID
    put "$9.99" into productAmount
  end if

  //confirm with user
  if numCredits = 1 then
    put "Are you sure you want to purchase 1 credit for" && productAmount & "?" into pString
  else
    put "Are you sure you want to purchase" && numCredits && "credits for" && productAmount & "?" into pString
  end if
  if myAnswer(pString,"Cancel|Buy Now","Purchase Confirmation","|appBlue") = "Cancel" then // <-- custom answer dialog
    exit startInAppPurchase
  end if

  //initiate the purchase
  mobileStoreEnablePurchaseUpdates
  mobileStoreSetProductType productID,"inapp"
  mobileStoreMakePurchase productID,"1","testPayload - Android Only"
end startInAppPurchase

on purchaseStateUpdate pPurchaseID,pProductID,pState
  global user
  global pLog

  put pState & cr after pLog

  switch pState
    case "paymentReceived" //2,1001,paymentReceived
      //tell our server is was successful and log users credits to database
      if isIPhone() then
        put mobileStoreProductProperty(pProductID,"transactionIdentifier") into tIdentifier
        get db_verifyPurchase(pProductID,tIdentifier)
      else
        //android handled in case "complete"
      end if

      mobileStoreConfirmPurchase pProductID //Inform the store that the purchase identifier productID was successfully delivered
      mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
      loadMeUp //refresh our display
      break
    case "error"
      answer "Error occured during purchase handling:" & return & return & mobileStorePurchaseError(pPurchaseID)
      mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
      break
    case "invalidSKU"
      answer "Invalid SKU."
      mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
      break
    case "alreadyEntitled"
      answer "Already Owned."
      mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
      break
    case "restored"
      answer "restored"
      offerPurchasedProduct pProductID
      mobileStoreConfirmPurchase pProductID
      mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
      loadMeUp
      break
    case "canceled"
    case "cancelled"
      answer "Purchase Cancelled:" && pProductID
      mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
      break
    case "complete"
      if isAndroid() then
        put mobileStoreProductProperty(pProductID,"orderId") into orderId
        mobileStoreConsumePurchase pProductID
        get db_verifyPurchase(pProductID,orderId)
      end if

      mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
      break
  end switch
end purchaseStateUpdate


Thank you!
-Dan


From: use-livecode <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com> on behalf of panagiotis m via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Date: Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 1:33 AM
To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Cc: panagiotis m <merakosp at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Oddities with iOS IAP
Hello Dan,

Could you share the code that makes the purchase, as well as the
purchaseStateUpdate message?

Although, my guess is that this is rather a TestFlight issue, since if it
was an issue in LC's API for in-app purchase on iOS, it would have been
reported
ready.

Kind regards,
Panos
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From merakosp at gmail.com  Tue Aug 15 13:22:34 2023
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis m)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2023 20:22:34 +0300
Subject: Oddities with iOS IAP
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR12MB2709BA4141291AD00FF37263B914A@BYAPR12MB2709.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
References: <E5AA10DB-86D7-4F58-9975-777FFD510042@optusnet.com.au>
 <BYAPR12MB2709E835086A8746A977C2FAB917A@BYAPR12MB2709.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
 <CA+JfEq-iKB_pNpzkkn0jEJUwKheSLTfBupW0Co+AEqQivve+HQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <BYAPR12MB2709BA4141291AD00FF37263B914A@BYAPR12MB2709.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq8zAiWRyV9zhTP8hC2-GAZXDiEZk+gb4pekg_6GtHm-9A@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Dan,

Just a rough guess, in the purchaseStateUpdate msg, you have:

 mobileStoreConfirmPurchase pProductID //Inform the store that the purchase
identifier productID was successfully delivered
 mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates

in both cases for paymentReceived and restored.

Could you try commenting out the mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates in these
2 cases? Once you call mobileStoreConfirmPurchase, it informs the store
that the purchase was successful, and then the store sends another
"purchaseStateUpdate" with state=complete.

But if you call mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates just after
mobileStoreConfirmPurchase then this stops the communication with the
store. I suggest having mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates just in the
"complete" case and remove it from "paymentReceived" and "restored".

Note that on Android (if I remember correctly)
mobileStoreEnablePurchaseUpdates/mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates do not
actually do something - but they are added for consistency.

If you do this change, and still see the delay, then it is likely a
TestFlight/Sandbox issue. Note that Apple's sandbox servers are slower than
the actual ones used by StoreKit.
(e.g.
https://community.revenuecat.com/sdks-51/testflight-clicking-subscriptions-or-iaps-has-long-delay-2687
)

kind regards,
Panos
--


On Tue, 15 Aug 2023 at 17:49, Dan Friedman via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Panos,
>
> Thank you for the reply.   Here is my code…. You click a button, and it
> calls startInAppPurchase with the number of credits to purchase.  After all
> is done, pLog is completely empty.  This is working perfectly on Android.
>
> on startInAppPurchase numCredits
>   //setup purchase id
>   if numCredits = 1 then
>     put 1001 into productID
>     put "$0.99" into productAmount
>   else if numCredits = 2 then
>     put 1002 into productID
>     put "$1.99" into productAmount
>   else if numCredits = 3 then
>     put 1003 into productID
>     put "$2.99" into productAmount
>   else if numCredits = 11 then
>     put 1011 into productID
>     put "$9.99" into productAmount
>   end if
>
>   //confirm with user
>   if numCredits = 1 then
>     put "Are you sure you want to purchase 1 credit for" && productAmount
> & "?" into pString
>   else
>     put "Are you sure you want to purchase" && numCredits && "credits for"
> && productAmount & "?" into pString
>   end if
>   if myAnswer(pString,"Cancel|Buy Now","Purchase Confirmation","|appBlue")
> = "Cancel" then // <-- custom answer dialog
>     exit startInAppPurchase
>   end if
>
>   //initiate the purchase
>   mobileStoreEnablePurchaseUpdates
>   mobileStoreSetProductType productID,"inapp"
>   mobileStoreMakePurchase productID,"1","testPayload - Android Only"
> end startInAppPurchase
>
> on purchaseStateUpdate pPurchaseID,pProductID,pState
>   global user
>   global pLog
>
>   put pState & cr after pLog
>
>   switch pState
>     case "paymentReceived" //2,1001,paymentReceived
>       //tell our server is was successful and log users credits to database
>       if isIPhone() then
>         put mobileStoreProductProperty(pProductID,"transactionIdentifier")
> into tIdentifier
>         get db_verifyPurchase(pProductID,tIdentifier)
>       else
>         //android handled in case "complete"
>       end if
>
>       mobileStoreConfirmPurchase pProductID //Inform the store that the
> purchase identifier productID was successfully delivered
>       mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
>       loadMeUp //refresh our display
>       break
>     case "error"
>       answer "Error occured during purchase handling:" & return & return &
> mobileStorePurchaseError(pPurchaseID)
>       mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
>       break
>     case "invalidSKU"
>       answer "Invalid SKU."
>       mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
>       break
>     case "alreadyEntitled"
>       answer "Already Owned."
>       mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
>       break
>     case "restored"
>       answer "restored"
>       offerPurchasedProduct pProductID
>       mobileStoreConfirmPurchase pProductID
>       mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
>       loadMeUp
>       break
>     case "canceled"
>     case "cancelled"
>       answer "Purchase Cancelled:" && pProductID
>       mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
>       break
>     case "complete"
>       if isAndroid() then
>         put mobileStoreProductProperty(pProductID,"orderId") into orderId
>         mobileStoreConsumePurchase pProductID
>         get db_verifyPurchase(pProductID,orderId)
>       end if
>
>       mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates
>       break
>   end switch
> end purchaseStateUpdate
>
>
> Thank you!
> -Dan
>
>
> From: use-livecode <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com> on behalf of
> panagiotis m via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Date: Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 1:33 AM
> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Cc: panagiotis m <merakosp at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Oddities with iOS IAP
> Hello Dan,
>
> Could you share the code that makes the purchase, as well as the
> purchaseStateUpdate message?
>
> Although, my guess is that this is rather a TestFlight issue, since if it
> was an issue in LC's API for in-app purchase on iOS, it would have been
> reported
> ready.
>
> Kind regards,
> Panos
> --
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From dan at clearvisiontech.com  Tue Aug 15 18:22:36 2023
From: dan at clearvisiontech.com (Dan Friedman)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2023 22:22:36 +0000
Subject: Oddities with iOS IAP
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq8zAiWRyV9zhTP8hC2-GAZXDiEZk+gb4pekg_6GtHm-9A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E5AA10DB-86D7-4F58-9975-777FFD510042@optusnet.com.au>
 <BYAPR12MB2709E835086A8746A977C2FAB917A@BYAPR12MB2709.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
 <CA+JfEq-iKB_pNpzkkn0jEJUwKheSLTfBupW0Co+AEqQivve+HQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <BYAPR12MB2709BA4141291AD00FF37263B914A@BYAPR12MB2709.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
 <CA+JfEq8zAiWRyV9zhTP8hC2-GAZXDiEZk+gb4pekg_6GtHm-9A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BYAPR12MB2709444AD6F5B417FBFA9925B914A@BYAPR12MB2709.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>

Panos,

Ok… seems to be working now.   I’m no longer getting “completed”, but I am consistently getting “paymentRecieved”… and I can make that work.   Obviously, I don’t really understand how this all works… but it’s working!

Thank you again for your help!
-Dan


From: use-livecode <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com> on behalf of panagiotis m via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Date: Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 10:24 AM
To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Cc: panagiotis m <merakosp at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Oddities with iOS IAP
Hello Dan,

Just a rough guess, in the purchaseStateUpdate msg, you have:

 mobileStoreConfirmPurchase pProductID //Inform the store that the purchase
identifier productID was successfully delivered
 mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates

in both cases for paymentReceived and restored.

Could you try commenting out the mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates in these
2 cases? Once you call mobileStoreConfirmPurchase, it informs the store
that the purchase was successful, and then the store sends another
"purchaseStateUpdate" with state=complete.

But if you call mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates just after
mobileStoreConfirmPurchase then this stops the communication with the
store. I suggest having mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates just in the
"complete" case and remove it from "paymentReceived" and "restored".

Note that on Android (if I remember correctly)
mobileStoreEnablePurchaseUpdates/mobileStoreDisablePurchaseUpdates do not
actually do something - but they are added for consistency.

If you do this change, and still see the delay, then it is likely a
TestFlight/Sandbox issue. Note that Apple's sandbox servers are slower than
the actual ones used by StoreKit.
(e.g.
https://community.revenuecat.com/sdks-51/testflight-clicking-subscriptions-or-iaps-has-long-delay-2687
)

kind regards,
Panos

From neville.smythe at optusnet.com.au  Wed Aug 16 01:37:45 2023
From: neville.smythe at optusnet.com.au (Neville Smythe)
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2023 15:37:45 +1000
Subject: Linux filenames in LC Server
Message-ID: <CA5CD531-6DD7-481D-8A50-1294B6E42A68@optusnet.com.au>

Thanks Mark for semi-unfuddling me. It’s good to know that textEncode/Decode is not to blame.

But if I may try everyones' patience a little further

> In the case of Linux what encoding such 'sys strings' need to use 
> depends on the environment - the encoding *could* be anything and thus 
> the engine uses the UNIX 'iconv' library to convert from internal 
> representation to the encoded bytes needed. I think this is what is 
> causing the failure of the file APIs - iconv is refusing to convert a 
> string with non-ascii characters to the 'default' 'C' locale as it can't 
> (there is no mapping from, say, e-acute to ascii).

So I misunderstood, I thought we were talking about Apache environment variables. Indeed the Terminal app reports

LANG=C

as a system env variable. But if this is not specifically a server problem, wouldn’t that mean we could see the same behaviour with LC Desktop on Linux machines running vanilla Ubuntu or Debian (which is what Dreamhost uses)? I haven’t tried this yet, as it is a bit of pain to fire up my Linux emulator machine.

An experiment, which make me wonder if this counts as a configuration problem or an actual bug in LC Server:

 In Terminal I type (actually paste) and execute

 echo “éü😃” > Carré.txt 

    (for Forum users like me who just see ? everywhere, that is [e-acute][u-umlaut][happyface emoji] in the content to be written to a file with [e-acute] in its name)

   This works without problem. The contents of the file are utf-8 encoded, which I didn’t need to specify, but I guess that is what the pasteboard provided. Terminal had no problem creating or finding the file without needing those env settings. Of course it cannot *display* the file name without knowing the encoding, so ls reports the filename as 'Carr'$'\303\251''.txt’ ( readable as an ascii encoding, though not one I have seen before; note the single quotes)

     If I setup the env variables Mark suggests in the Terminal session

export LC_ALL="en_US.UTF8"
export LANG=“en_US.UTF8”

then Terminal is able to display the filename á la française.

      Cyberduck reports this filename correctly using the [e-acute] without having to set encoding knowledge. And I can also create the file using Cyberduck with no problems. So IT knows about/expects/sets up the encoding as needed. I bet other Linux-aware apps would also open or list such files without drama or special configuration.

   However: in LC Server when I call "the long files" for the enclosing folder: crash! (Actually an in-line error reported for this code line). To my mind that qualifies as a bug, even if the source of the crash is the same as for open file.

   On the other hand hopefully setting the environment variables as Mark suggests will fix everything . Mark, could I clarify exactly how that “launcher script” is to be used… I’m guessing the cgi configuration should point to that file to be executed when it wants to open myscript.lc instead of pointing to the livecode-server executable (in which case it might have to have a .cgi suffix rather than .txt), or is it a shell script to be executed by livecode-server?

Neville Smythe





From mark at livecode.com  Wed Aug 16 03:34:23 2023
From: mark at livecode.com (Mark Waddingham)
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2023 08:34:23 +0100
Subject: Linux filenames in LC Server
In-Reply-To: <CA5CD531-6DD7-481D-8A50-1294B6E42A68@optusnet.com.au>
References: <CA5CD531-6DD7-481D-8A50-1294B6E42A68@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <f783bcfc15ac88eab0490269b09c3de8@livecode.com>

On 2023-08-16 06:37, Neville Smythe via use-livecode wrote:
> So I misunderstood, I thought we were talking about Apache environment 
> variables. Indeed the Terminal app reports
> 
> LANG=C
> 
> as a system env variable. But if this is not specifically a server 
> problem, wouldnt
> that mean we could see the same behaviour with LC Desktop on Linux 
> machines running
> vanilla Ubuntu or Debian (which is what Dreamhost uses)? I havent 
> tried this yet,
> as it is a bit of pain to fire up my Linux emulator machine.

So the situation here is similar to that which you get on macOS. If you 
open Terminal, then the (UNIX) environment (variable-wise) which you get 
will be different from that you get when you double-click on an app to 
launch it. In the latter case, the executable is launched via the 
desktop environments 'launcher' process and will inherit the environment 
provided by that. Presumably, as Linux desktops mandate various things 
(like language settings), the locale and environment vars will be set 
appropriately.

> An experiment, which make me wonder if this counts as a configuration 
> problem or an actual bug in LC Server:
> 
>  In Terminal I type (actually paste) and execute
> 
>  echo  > Carr.txt
> 
>     (for Forum users like me who just see ? everywhere, that is 
> [e-acute][u-umlaut][happyface emoji] in the content to be written to a 
> file with [e-acute] in its name)
> 
>    This works without problem. The contents of the file are utf-8 
> encoded, which I didnt
> need to specify, but I guess that is what the pasteboard provided. 
> Terminal had no problem
> creating or finding the file without needing those env settings. Of 
> course it cannot *display*
> the file name without knowing the encoding, so ls reports the filename 
> as 'Carr'$'\303\251''.txt
> ( readable as an ascii encoding, though not one I have seen before; 
> note the single quotes)

I'm guessing here that this is a remote ssh session to your Linux 
server, and you are using macOS Terminal app to run and connect? If that 
is the case then the reason this works is because Terminal on macOS is 
UTF-8 (which is the *only* encoding macOS supports in its UNIX subsystem 
so you don't get the variance problem you do with Linux). This means 
that pasting text from somewhere else will paste the UTF-8 bytes - i.e. 
they will get transmitted over SSH to the remote linux machine.

As filenames are just sequences of bytes on Linux this works fine - 
however when you ask the remote terminal to list the files, it can only 
interpret the ascii chars (as the LANG is C) and thus emits octal 
escapes for the others - here this ix 0xC3 0xA9 which is the utf-8 
encoding of e-acute.

> If I setup the env variables Mark suggests in the Terminal session
> 
> export LC_ALL="en_US.UTF8"
> export LANG=en_US.UTF8
> 
> then Terminal is able to display the filename  la franaise.

So now the remote terminal knows how to interpret the sequences of bytes 
present in the filenames, and thus can emit them appropriately.

> Cyberduck reports this filename correctly using the [e-acute] without 
> having to set encoding
> knowledge. And I can also create the file using Cyberduck with no 
> problems. So IT knows about/expects/sets
> up the encoding as needed. I bet other Linux-aware apps would also open 
> or list such files without
> drama or special configuration.

IT doesn't know - it assumes. I suspect that if you used Cyberduck to 
connect to a Linux server which is setup to *not* be utf-8 (so filenames 
are encoded with some other encoding), then it would display things 
incorrectly.

Of course, if the protocols it deals with specify the text encoding as 
utf-8 *and* the daemons running on said server are setup correctly (i.e. 
so that they process the filenames and such relative to the server's 
encoding) *and* they correctly convert the filenames from that encoding 
to the encoding mandated by the protocol then it would display fine.

Certainly FTP treats filenames as sequences of bytes - so at least for 
that protocol the client would have to assume UTF-8 or be told the 
correct encoding to do the correct thing.

> However: in LC Server when I call "the long files" for the enclosing 
> folder: crash!
> (Actually an in-line error reported for this code line). To my mind 
> that qualifies as
> bug, even if the source of the crash is the same as for open file.

I take it by crash you mean a runtime error is logged, and that this 
only happens if the LANG / LC_ALL environment variables are not set?

This is the same issue as opening a file - the low-level text encoding 
from ASCII to the internal encoding used by strings in the engine will 
be failing because it encounters non-ASCII.

>    On the other hand hopefully setting the environment variables as 
> Mark suggests will
> fix everything . Mark, could I clarify exactly how that launcher 
> script is to be used
> Im guessing the cgi configuration should point to that file to be 
> executed when it wants
> to open myscript.lc instead of pointing to the livecode-server 
> executable (in which case
> it might have to have a .cgi suffix rather than .txt), or is it a shell 
> script to be
> executed by livecode-server?

The provided text should be put into a shell script which should be 
launched *instead* of livecode-server - so configure your CGI 
environment to call said shell script when it encounters a lc server 
script file to run. It will then set environment variables and then 
'exec' replaces the shell script with livecode-server (in the same 
process).

Technically while what the engine is doing is correct (relative to its 
need to have filenames represented as strings internally at least) it 
isn't ideal. There are two options to improve the situation (when the 
locale env vars are not set / set to C):

   1) Rather than assume ASCII, assume native - this would preserve the 
bytes in the filename regardless of system encoding.
   2) Rather than assume ASCII, assume utf-8 - this would correctly 
represent filenames which are valid UTF-8, but would still fail on 
filenames with bad encoding

Here (1) has the advantage that filenames would be preserved; but with 
the slight caveat that if you combined with other unicode characters (in 
a report say); the filenames would be displayed incorrectly (here 
'display' would also include being sent as part of some protocol 
response).

Here (2) has the advantage of everything working as expected assuming 
the server in question is utf-8 - it would still fail on filenames which 
are badly encoded though. However the latter could be mitigated by 
making the sys-string<->lc-string conversion slightly less strict - i.e. 
bad utf-8 chars map to/from '?' as they do in textEncode/Decode - so at 
least you could see the bad filenames.

I suspect (2) is overall better - its only downside is that you would 
not be able to manipulate files on the server which had badly encoded 
utf-8 names. However, that seems like an extreme edge case; and one 
which you could work around by just setting the LANG env var to a native 
encoding and put appropriate code in your app to deal with.

Warmest Regards,

Mark.

-- 
Mark Waddingham ~ mark at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
LiveCode: Build Amazing Things


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Aug 16 11:18:30 2023
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2023 15:18:30 +0000
Subject: Linux filenames in LC Server
In-Reply-To: <f783bcfc15ac88eab0490269b09c3de8@livecode.com>
References: <CA5CD531-6DD7-481D-8A50-1294B6E42A68@optusnet.com.au>
 <f783bcfc15ac88eab0490269b09c3de8@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <AD1DEAD7-9D1B-4BBA-B9C4-DAEE54629C19@iotecdigital.com>

Hah! This reminds me of a time when Windows would allow files with names that were legal for Mac to be written to its own file system who’s filenames were NOT legal. The result is you could save the files, but you could never access or delete them, neither could you delete any folder that contained them. They had to write utilities to rename such files and they weren't 100% successful.

Bob S


On Aug 16, 2023, at 12:34 AM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

I suspect (2) is overall better - its only downside is that you would not be able to manipulate files on the server which had badly encoded utf-8 names. However, that seems like an extreme edge case; and one which you could work around by just setting the LANG env var to a native encoding and put appropriate code in your app to deal with.

Warmest Regards,

Mark.

--
Mark Waddingham ~ mark at livecode.com<mailto:mark at livecode.com> ~ http://www.livecode.com/
LiveCode: Build Amazing Things


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Aug 16 12:30:56 2023
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2023 16:30:56 +0000
Subject: Setting focus after tab
Message-ID: <E0617581-DE8A-4AD3-95F8-38745A2E0EC0@iotecdigital.com>

Hi all. 

Something curious that has been going on for a while. When I tab from field 1 to field 2, I have code that populates field 2 in some circumstances, then checks to see if field 2 is empty, then focuses on field 2 if it is, or fiend 3 if it’s not. In other words I am trying to focus on the next empty field. 

This never works if I am tabbing, BUT if I set a breakpoint and step through the code, IT DOES WORK! I think this is because the tab-to-next-field native LC code is executing AFTER my code runs. Exit to top does not have an effect. 

Anyone else seeing this behavior? 

Bob S


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Aug 16 12:49:16 2023
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2023 16:49:16 +0000
Subject: Setting focus after tab
In-Reply-To: <E0617581-DE8A-4AD3-95F8-38745A2E0EC0@iotecdigital.com>
References: <E0617581-DE8A-4AD3-95F8-38745A2E0EC0@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <C9F4CFCF-ADF0-4C80-B5AC-90E479F84724@iotecdigital.com>

<sigh> never mind. I just tested this with a new stack and it works the way it’s supposed to. I must have a script that is doing this. 

Bob S


> On Aug 16, 2023, at 9:30 AM, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi all. 
> 
> Something curious that has been going on for a while. When I tab from field 1 to field 2, I have code that populates field 2 in some circumstances, then checks to see if field 2 is empty, then focuses on field 2 if it is, or fiend 3 if it’s not. In other words I am trying to focus on the next empty field. 
> 
> This never works if I am tabbing, BUT if I set a breakpoint and step through the code, IT DOES WORK! I think this is because the tab-to-next-field native LC code is executing AFTER my code runs. Exit to top does not have an effect. 
> 
> Anyone else seeing this behavior? 
> 
> Bob S
> 


From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Wed Aug 16 19:33:16 2023
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2023 01:33:16 +0200
Subject: Linux filenames in LC Server
In-Reply-To: <f783bcfc15ac88eab0490269b09c3de8@livecode.com>
References: <CA5CD531-6DD7-481D-8A50-1294B6E42A68@optusnet.com.au>
 <f783bcfc15ac88eab0490269b09c3de8@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <12E0AE86-346F-441C-9CB1-394CC762E3E3@m-r-d.de>

It seems it is possible to set environment vars  using redirect rules in .htaccess.

I added the following lines to my .htaccess

RewriteEngine on
RewriteRule \.(lc) - [E=LANG:de_DE.UTF-8]

the 2nd line or better tells Apache not to redirect, but to 'use'  the flag [E=....]  when an .lc file is "requested".
The flag allows to set an environment variable.  E=LANG:de_DE.UTF-8        tells apache to set the variable LANG  to the value de_DE.UTF-8
It's even possible to set cookies that way using a cookie tag.

With those 2 lines i did not receive the 'can't open file'  error anymore and the file with a non-ascii filename, in my script testä.txt, was created by the .lc script.
In my ftp client the file testä.txt is shown as testä.txt, but i can access the file from LCserver still with its original name testä.txt



> Am 16.08.2023 um 09:34 schrieb Mark Waddingham via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> On 2023-08-16 06:37, Neville Smythe via use-livecode wrote:
>> So I misunderstood, I thought we were talking about Apache environment variables. Indeed the Terminal app reports
>> LANG=C
>> as a system env variable. But if this is not specifically a server problem, wouldn’t
>> that mean we could see the same behaviour with LC Desktop on Linux machines running
>> vanilla Ubuntu or Debian (which is what Dreamhost uses)? I haven’t tried this yet,
>> as it is a bit of pain to fire up my Linux emulator machine.
> 
> So the situation here is similar to that which you get on macOS. If you open Terminal, then the (UNIX) environment (variable-wise) which you get will be different from that you get when you double-click on an app to launch it. In the latter case, the executable is launched via the desktop environments 'launcher' process and will inherit the environment provided by that. Presumably, as Linux desktops mandate various things (like language settings), the locale and environment vars will be set appropriately.
> 
>> An experiment, which make me wonder if this counts as a configuration problem or an actual bug in LC Server:
>> In Terminal I type (actually paste) and execute
>> echo “éü😃” > Carré.txt
>>    (for Forum users like me who just see ? everywhere, that is [e-acute][u-umlaut][happyface emoji] in the content to be written to a file with [e-acute] in its name)
>>   This works without problem. The contents of the file are utf-8 encoded, which I didn’t
>> need to specify, but I guess that is what the pasteboard provided. Terminal had no problem
>> creating or finding the file without needing those env settings. Of course it cannot *display*
>> the file name without knowing the encoding, so ls reports the filename as 'Carr'$'\303\251''.txt’
>> ( readable as an ascii encoding, though not one I have seen before; note the single quotes)
> 
> I'm guessing here that this is a remote ssh session to your Linux server, and you are using macOS Terminal app to run and connect? If that is the case then the reason this works is because Terminal on macOS is UTF-8 (which is the *only* encoding macOS supports in its UNIX subsystem so you don't get the variance problem you do with Linux). This means that pasting text from somewhere else will paste the UTF-8 bytes - i.e. they will get transmitted over SSH to the remote linux machine.
> 
> As filenames are just sequences of bytes on Linux this works fine - however when you ask the remote terminal to list the files, it can only interpret the ascii chars (as the LANG is C) and thus emits octal escapes for the others - here this ix 0xC3 0xA9 which is the utf-8 encoding of e-acute.
> 
>> If I setup the env variables Mark suggests in the Terminal session
>> export LC_ALL="en_US.UTF8"
>> export LANG=“en_US.UTF8”
>> then Terminal is able to display the filename á la française.
> 
> So now the remote terminal knows how to interpret the sequences of bytes present in the filenames, and thus can emit them appropriately.
> 
>> Cyberduck reports this filename correctly using the [e-acute] without having to set encoding
>> knowledge. And I can also create the file using Cyberduck with no problems. So IT knows about/expects/sets
>> up the encoding as needed. I bet other Linux-aware apps would also open or list such files without
>> drama or special configuration.
> 
> IT doesn't know - it assumes. I suspect that if you used Cyberduck to connect to a Linux server which is setup to *not* be utf-8 (so filenames are encoded with some other encoding), then it would display things incorrectly.
> 
> Of course, if the protocols it deals with specify the text encoding as utf-8 *and* the daemons running on said server are setup correctly (i.e. so that they process the filenames and such relative to the server's encoding) *and* they correctly convert the filenames from that encoding to the encoding mandated by the protocol then it would display fine.
> 
> Certainly FTP treats filenames as sequences of bytes - so at least for that protocol the client would have to assume UTF-8 or be told the correct encoding to do the correct thing.
> 
>> However: in LC Server when I call "the long files" for the enclosing folder: crash!
>> (Actually an in-line error reported for this code line). To my mind that qualifies as
>> bug, even if the source of the crash is the same as for open file.
> 
> I take it by crash you mean a runtime error is logged, and that this only happens if the LANG / LC_ALL environment variables are not set?
> 
> This is the same issue as opening a file - the low-level text encoding from ASCII to the internal encoding used by strings in the engine will be failing because it encounters non-ASCII.
> 
>>   On the other hand hopefully setting the environment variables as Mark suggests will
>> fix everything . Mark, could I clarify exactly how that “launcher script” is to be used…
>> I’m guessing the cgi configuration should point to that file to be executed when it wants
>> to open myscript.lc instead of pointing to the livecode-server executable (in which case
>> it might have to have a .cgi suffix rather than .txt), or is it a shell script to be
>> executed by livecode-server?
> 
> The provided text should be put into a shell script which should be launched *instead* of livecode-server - so configure your CGI environment to call said shell script when it encounters a lc server script file to run. It will then set environment variables and then 'exec' replaces the shell script with livecode-server (in the same process).
> 
> Technically while what the engine is doing is correct (relative to its need to have filenames represented as strings internally at least) it isn't ideal. There are two options to improve the situation (when the locale env vars are not set / set to C):
> 
>  1) Rather than assume ASCII, assume native - this would preserve the bytes in the filename regardless of system encoding.
>  2) Rather than assume ASCII, assume utf-8 - this would correctly represent filenames which are valid UTF-8, but would still fail on filenames with bad encoding
> 
> Here (1) has the advantage that filenames would be preserved; but with the slight caveat that if you combined with other unicode characters (in a report say); the filenames would be displayed incorrectly (here 'display' would also include being sent as part of some protocol response).
> 
> Here (2) has the advantage of everything working as expected assuming the server in question is utf-8 - it would still fail on filenames which are badly encoded though. However the latter could be mitigated by making the sys-string<->lc-string conversion slightly less strict - i.e. bad utf-8 chars map to/from '?' as they do in textEncode/Decode - so at least you could see the bad filenames.
> 
> I suspect (2) is overall better - its only downside is that you would not be able to manipulate files on the server which had badly encoded utf-8 names. However, that seems like an extreme edge case; and one which you could work around by just setting the LANG env var to a native encoding and put appropriate code in your app to deal with.
> 
> Warmest Regards,
> 
> Mark.
> 
> -- 
> Mark Waddingham ~ mark at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
> LiveCode: Build Amazing Things
> 
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From harrison at all-auctions.com  Wed Aug 16 21:27:40 2023
From: harrison at all-auctions.com (harrison at all-auctions.com)
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2023 21:27:40 -0400
Subject: LC 9.6.9 App uses too much memory!
In-Reply-To: <332932d5c6b5963e704c40816aec8145@livecode.com>
References: <903ADB0E-1E82-44C9-96A1-C4FE62EC10B9@optusnet.com.au>
 <848FFA3D-F8BA-45F1-8595-B4742FE107B9@all-auctions.com>
 <332932d5c6b5963e704c40816aec8145@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <63F06F78-904E-485F-8A48-6A9EC1A67017@all-auctions.com>

Hi Mark,

It was a very old stack that used the Player object.
It had start and stop buttons that I had created,
and a couple of scrollbar objects for quick value
scrubbing and playing.

There was some rather odd behavior with the
toggle controller where the 9.6.9 version was
the flip flop of the 9.6.8 version.  Other than
that I couldn’t see any noticeable differences.

I was able to reconstruct this simple stack
in LC 9.6.9 and have it function properly,
when made from scratch.

Perhaps the old stack had some unseen
corruption or something.  It was just very
odd to see it function fine in LC 9.6.8
but then have it cause that memory
leak overrun in LC 9.6.9 and be unusable.

I haven’t been able to come up with a
recipe to duplicate the problem.

If I can figure out a repeatable recipe
I’ll get back to you on that.  This is
non-critical for me at the moment.

Thanks,

Rick



> On Aug 14, 2023, at 6:13 AM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Could you file a bug report with recipe and attach (or send to support at livecode.com <mailto:support at livecode.com> if its sensitive) the stack and recipe for reproducing the problem so we can take a look.
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> Mark.


From neville.smythe at optusnet.com.au  Thu Aug 17 09:56:49 2023
From: neville.smythe at optusnet.com.au (Neville Smythe)
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2023 23:56:49 +1000
Subject: Linux filenames in LC Server - Resolved
Message-ID: <9DFCB875-8122-4440-A26F-22F073C96D67@optusnet.com.au>

Thank you Mark, installing the launcher script to set environment variables has fixed all my issues with non-ascii filenames. The documentation for installing LCS could usefully make a note of these settings. And indeed TextEncode/Decode both work as expected, my musings there were irrelevant.

Do you expect a future version of LCServer will incorporate the changes? IMHO I’d agree option 2 would make things work more transparently for the vast majority of cases. And while you wouldn’t able be able to handle badly encoded filenames within LC, I guess you wouldn't be able to create them either.

Neville Smythe





From panos.merakos at livecode.com  Thu Aug 17 10:02:59 2023
From: panos.merakos at livecode.com (panagiotis merakos)
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2023 17:02:59 +0300
Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10 RC-1
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq9P4-3x7pJ+vEjN-HNRWjq+k9Y=4BU=Xy6FTSfRN0V6Aw@mail.gmail.com>

Dear list members,

We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.10 RC-1.

LiveCode 9.6.10 RC-1 comes with more than 20 bugfixes, including support
for Android API 33, which will be a requirement for submitting new apps to
the Google Play Store as of the 31st of August.

You can find more details on the bug fixes and improvements of this new
release here:

https://livecode.com/livecode-9-6-10-rc-1-released/

You can find the release in your LiveCode account area or get it via the
automatic updater.

Enjoy!

Kind regards
The LiveCode Team
--

From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Thu Aug 17 10:11:08 2023
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2023 16:11:08 +0200
Subject: Linux filenames in LC Server - Resolved
In-Reply-To: <9DFCB875-8122-4440-A26F-22F073C96D67@optusnet.com.au>
References: <9DFCB875-8122-4440-A26F-22F073C96D67@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <062314FD-CA58-4B47-8070-97A12355CF9E@m-r-d.de>

Hi Neville,

did you read my comment about setting the environment variable lang using .htaccess?
That worked here and i could write non-ascii filenames using the "standard" LC Server installation.

Regards,
Matthias

> Am 17.08.2023 um 15:56 schrieb Neville Smythe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Thank you Mark, installing the launcher script to set environment variables has fixed all my issues with non-ascii filenames. The documentation for installing LCS could usefully make a note of these settings. And indeed TextEncode/Decode both work as expected, my musings there were irrelevant.
> 
> Do you expect a future version of LCServer will incorporate the changes? IMHO I’d agree option 2 would make things work more transparently for the vast majority of cases. And while you wouldn’t able be able to handle badly encoded filenames within LC, I guess you wouldn't be able to create them either.
> 
> Neville Smythe
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From mark at canelasoftware.com  Thu Aug 17 11:57:30 2023
From: mark at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto)
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2023 08:57:30 -0700
Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10 RC-1
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq9P4-3x7pJ+vEjN-HNRWjq+k9Y=4BU=Xy6FTSfRN0V6Aw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+JfEq9P4-3x7pJ+vEjN-HNRWjq+k9Y=4BU=Xy6FTSfRN0V6Aw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ABA76994-DFC1-4BD5-B2ED-DF787671A083@canelasoftware.com>

Hi Panos,

I am looking forward to testing this build. I do not have any links to the download on the page. They appear to be missing.

The release notes are linked, and I can read them. 


Best regards,
Mark Talluto

appli.io <https://appli.io/>
livecloud.io <https://livecloud.io/>
nursenotes.net <https://nursenotes.net/>
canelasoftware.com <https://www.canelasoftware.com/>



> On Aug 17, 2023, at 7:02 AM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Dear list members,
> 
> We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.10 RC-1.
> 
> LiveCode 9.6.10 RC-1 comes with more than 20 bugfixes, including support
> for Android API 33, which will be a requirement for submitting new apps to
> the Google Play Store as of the 31st of August.
> 
> You can find more details on the bug fixes and improvements of this new
> release here:
> 
> https://livecode.com/livecode-9-6-10-rc-1-released/
> 
> You can find the release in your LiveCode account area or get it via the
> automatic updater.
> 
> Enjoy!
> 
> Kind regards
> The LiveCode Team
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From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Thu Aug 17 12:01:12 2023
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2023 18:01:12 +0200
Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10 RC-1
In-Reply-To: <ABA76994-DFC1-4BD5-B2ED-DF787671A083@canelasoftware.com>
References: <CA+JfEq9P4-3x7pJ+vEjN-HNRWjq+k9Y=4BU=Xy6FTSfRN0V6Aw@mail.gmail.com>
 <ABA76994-DFC1-4BD5-B2ED-DF787671A083@canelasoftware.com>
Message-ID: <D5DB280C-9F6E-4C62-9701-D9C1F2AFBF92@m-r-d.de>

As Panos wrote.. ;)

You can find the release in your LiveCode account area or get it via the
automatic updater.

> Am 17.08.2023 um 17:57 schrieb Mark Talluto via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Hi Panos,
> 
> I am looking forward to testing this build. I do not have any links to the download on the page. They appear to be missing.
> 
> The release notes are linked, and I can read them. 
> 
> 
> Best regards,
> Mark Talluto
> 
> appli.io <https://appli.io/>
> livecloud.io <https://livecloud.io/>
> nursenotes.net <https://nursenotes.net/>
> canelasoftware.com <https://www.canelasoftware.com/>
> 
> 
> 
>> On Aug 17, 2023, at 7:02 AM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Dear list members,
>> 
>> We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.10 RC-1.
>> 
>> LiveCode 9.6.10 RC-1 comes with more than 20 bugfixes, including support
>> for Android API 33, which will be a requirement for submitting new apps to
>> the Google Play Store as of the 31st of August.
>> 
>> You can find more details on the bug fixes and improvements of this new
>> release here:
>> 
>> https://livecode.com/livecode-9-6-10-rc-1-released/
>> 
>> You can find the release in your LiveCode account area or get it via the
>> automatic updater.
>> 
>> Enjoy!
>> 
>> Kind regards
>> The LiveCode Team
>> --
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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From merakosp at gmail.com  Thu Aug 17 12:05:18 2023
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis m)
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2023 19:05:18 +0300
Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10 RC-1
In-Reply-To: <D5DB280C-9F6E-4C62-9701-D9C1F2AFBF92@m-r-d.de>
References: <CA+JfEq9P4-3x7pJ+vEjN-HNRWjq+k9Y=4BU=Xy6FTSfRN0V6Aw@mail.gmail.com>
 <ABA76994-DFC1-4BD5-B2ED-DF787671A083@canelasoftware.com>
 <D5DB280C-9F6E-4C62-9701-D9C1F2AFBF92@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq__Jg5DWGMEGBjtcd7KEYTNR2i67sRZWrx0qJWPiRgnuQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Mark,

As Matthias noted, you can find this release in your account area. You have
to scroll down a bit because the stable releases are listed at the top.

In the downloads page you can only find the last stable release - currently
9.6.9.

Kind regards,
Panos
--

On Thu, 17 Aug 2023 at 19:02, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> As Panos wrote.. ;)
>
> You can find the release in your LiveCode account area or get it via the
> automatic updater.
>
> > Am 17.08.2023 um 17:57 schrieb Mark Talluto via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> >
> > Hi Panos,
> >
> > I am looking forward to testing this build. I do not have any links to
> the download on the page. They appear to be missing.
> >
> > The release notes are linked, and I can read them.
> >
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Mark Talluto
> >
> > appli.io <https://appli.io/>
> > livecloud.io <https://livecloud.io/>
> > nursenotes.net <https://nursenotes.net/>
> > canelasoftware.com <https://www.canelasoftware.com/>
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Aug 17, 2023, at 7:02 AM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Dear list members,
> >>
> >> We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.10 RC-1.
> >>
> >> LiveCode 9.6.10 RC-1 comes with more than 20 bugfixes, including support
> >> for Android API 33, which will be a requirement for submitting new apps
> to
> >> the Google Play Store as of the 31st of August.
> >>
> >> You can find more details on the bug fixes and improvements of this new
> >> release here:
> >>
> >> https://livecode.com/livecode-9-6-10-rc-1-released/
> >>
> >> You can find the release in your LiveCode account area or get it via the
> >> automatic updater.
> >>
> >> Enjoy!
> >>
> >> Kind regards
> >> The LiveCode Team
> >> --
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> use-livecode mailing list
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
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From mark at canelasoftware.com  Thu Aug 17 12:12:37 2023
From: mark at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto)
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2023 09:12:37 -0700
Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10 RC-1
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq__Jg5DWGMEGBjtcd7KEYTNR2i67sRZWrx0qJWPiRgnuQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+JfEq9P4-3x7pJ+vEjN-HNRWjq+k9Y=4BU=Xy6FTSfRN0V6Aw@mail.gmail.com>
 <ABA76994-DFC1-4BD5-B2ED-DF787671A083@canelasoftware.com>
 <D5DB280C-9F6E-4C62-9701-D9C1F2AFBF92@m-r-d.de>
 <CA+JfEq__Jg5DWGMEGBjtcd7KEYTNR2i67sRZWrx0qJWPiRgnuQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7235ECDA-1A4D-4DA3-8E2A-D018C9E18B71@canelasoftware.com>

I guess my email with a link to a screenshot of what I am seeing has not gone through. 

I appreciate you can get the update through the auto-updater, but I want to download the installer from my account page as we can with other builds. The issue may be specific to my account. 

I’ll let the earth spin a bit and see how it goes for others. This is not a high priority situation for me.  :)

FWIW, I tried in both Firefox and Safari.

Best regards,
Mark Talluto

appli.io <https://appli.io/>
livecloud.io <https://livecloud.io/>
nursenotes.net <https://nursenotes.net/>
canelasoftware.com <https://www.canelasoftware.com/>



> On Aug 17, 2023, at 9:05 AM, panagiotis m via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello Mark,
> 
> As Matthias noted, you can find this release in your account area. You have
> to scroll down a bit because the stable releases are listed at the top.
> 
> In the downloads page you can only find the last stable release - currently
> 9.6.9.
> 
> Kind regards,
> Panos
> --
> 
> On Thu, 17 Aug 2023 at 19:02, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> As Panos wrote.. ;)
>> 
>> You can find the release in your LiveCode account area or get it via the
>> automatic updater.
>> 
>>> Am 17.08.2023 um 17:57 schrieb Mark Talluto via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>> 
>>> Hi Panos,
>>> 
>>> I am looking forward to testing this build. I do not have any links to
>> the download on the page. They appear to be missing.
>>> 
>>> The release notes are linked, and I can read them.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Best regards,
>>> Mark Talluto
>>> 
>>> appli.io <https://appli.io/>
>>> livecloud.io <https://livecloud.io/>
>>> nursenotes.net <https://nursenotes.net/>
>>> canelasoftware.com <https://www.canelasoftware.com/>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 17, 2023, at 7:02 AM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Dear list members,
>>>> 
>>>> We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.10 RC-1.
>>>> 
>>>> LiveCode 9.6.10 RC-1 comes with more than 20 bugfixes, including support
>>>> for Android API 33, which will be a requirement for submitting new apps
>> to
>>>> the Google Play Store as of the 31st of August.
>>>> 
>>>> You can find more details on the bug fixes and improvements of this new
>>>> release here:
>>>> 
>>>> https://livecode.com/livecode-9-6-10-rc-1-released/
>>>> 
>>>> You can find the release in your LiveCode account area or get it via the
>>>> automatic updater.
>>>> 
>>>> Enjoy!
>>>> 
>>>> Kind regards
>>>> The LiveCode Team
>>>> --
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>> 
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>> subscription preferences:
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From hlowe at me.com  Thu Aug 17 12:12:35 2023
From: hlowe at me.com (HENRY LOWE)
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2023 17:12:35 +0100
Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10 RC-1
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq__Jg5DWGMEGBjtcd7KEYTNR2i67sRZWrx0qJWPiRgnuQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+JfEq9P4-3x7pJ+vEjN-HNRWjq+k9Y=4BU=Xy6FTSfRN0V6Aw@mail.gmail.com>
 <ABA76994-DFC1-4BD5-B2ED-DF787671A083@canelasoftware.com>
 <D5DB280C-9F6E-4C62-9701-D9C1F2AFBF92@m-r-d.de>
 <CA+JfEq__Jg5DWGMEGBjtcd7KEYTNR2i67sRZWrx0qJWPiRgnuQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D3C87434-28D6-4E63-8F72-DD8F19012266@me.com>

I see only a link to the release notes.

Henry

> On Aug 17, 2023, at 5:05 PM, panagiotis m via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello Mark,
> 
> As Matthias noted, you can find this release in your account area. You have
> to scroll down a bit because the stable releases are listed at the top.
> 
> In the downloads page you can only find the last stable release - currently
> 9.6.9.
> 
> Kind regards,
> Panos
> --
> 
> On Thu, 17 Aug 2023 at 19:02, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> As Panos wrote.. ;)
>> 
>> You can find the release in your LiveCode account area or get it via the
>> automatic updater.
>> 
>>> Am 17.08.2023 um 17:57 schrieb Mark Talluto via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>> 
>>> Hi Panos,
>>> 
>>> I am looking forward to testing this build. I do not have any links to
>> the download on the page. They appear to be missing.
>>> 
>>> The release notes are linked, and I can read them.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Best regards,
>>> Mark Talluto
>>> 
>>> appli.io <https://appli.io/>
>>> livecloud.io <https://livecloud.io/>
>>> nursenotes.net <https://nursenotes.net/>
>>> canelasoftware.com <https://www.canelasoftware.com/>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 17, 2023, at 7:02 AM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Dear list members,
>>>> 
>>>> We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.10 RC-1.
>>>> 
>>>> LiveCode 9.6.10 RC-1 comes with more than 20 bugfixes, including support
>>>> for Android API 33, which will be a requirement for submitting new apps
>> to
>>>> the Google Play Store as of the 31st of August.
>>>> 
>>>> You can find more details on the bug fixes and improvements of this new
>>>> release here:
>>>> 
>>>> https://livecode.com/livecode-9-6-10-rc-1-released/
>>>> 
>>>> You can find the release in your LiveCode account area or get it via the
>>>> automatic updater.
>>>> 
>>>> Enjoy!
>>>> 
>>>> Kind regards
>>>> The LiveCode Team
>>>> --
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>> 
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>> subscription preferences:
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From merakosp at gmail.com  Thu Aug 17 12:22:20 2023
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis m)
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2023 19:22:20 +0300
Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10 RC-1
In-Reply-To: <D3C87434-28D6-4E63-8F72-DD8F19012266@me.com>
References: <CA+JfEq9P4-3x7pJ+vEjN-HNRWjq+k9Y=4BU=Xy6FTSfRN0V6Aw@mail.gmail.com>
 <ABA76994-DFC1-4BD5-B2ED-DF787671A083@canelasoftware.com>
 <D5DB280C-9F6E-4C62-9701-D9C1F2AFBF92@m-r-d.de>
 <CA+JfEq__Jg5DWGMEGBjtcd7KEYTNR2i67sRZWrx0qJWPiRgnuQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <D3C87434-28D6-4E63-8F72-DD8F19012266@me.com>
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq_F8j8poPgO-+t6R5S6zoAJ8SNtbWVzPZuW41HG=380nw@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all,

Oh I see what you mean!

If you go to the "Downloads" section **in your account** - not the public
downloads page -  I confirm it only shows the release notes for LC 9.6.10
RC1

But you can still get LC 9.6.10 RC-1 if you go to Products -> LiveCode
dropdown

We will fix the issue asap.

Thanks for spotting it!

Cheers,
Panos

On Thu, 17 Aug 2023 at 19:13, HENRY LOWE via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I see only a link to the release notes.
>
> Henry
>
> > On Aug 17, 2023, at 5:05 PM, panagiotis m via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Mark,
> >
> > As Matthias noted, you can find this release in your account area. You
> have
> > to scroll down a bit because the stable releases are listed at the top.
> >
> > In the downloads page you can only find the last stable release -
> currently
> > 9.6.9.
> >
> > Kind regards,
> > Panos
> > --
> >
> > On Thu, 17 Aug 2023 at 19:02, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >> As Panos wrote.. ;)
> >>
> >> You can find the release in your LiveCode account area or get it via the
> >> automatic updater.
> >>
> >>> Am 17.08.2023 um 17:57 schrieb Mark Talluto via use-livecode <
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> >>>
> >>> Hi Panos,
> >>>
> >>> I am looking forward to testing this build. I do not have any links to
> >> the download on the page. They appear to be missing.
> >>>
> >>> The release notes are linked, and I can read them.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Best regards,
> >>> Mark Talluto
> >>>
> >>> appli.io <https://appli.io/>
> >>> livecloud.io <https://livecloud.io/>
> >>> nursenotes.net <https://nursenotes.net/>
> >>> canelasoftware.com <https://www.canelasoftware.com/>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> On Aug 17, 2023, at 7:02 AM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Dear list members,
> >>>>
> >>>> We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.10 RC-1.
> >>>>
> >>>> LiveCode 9.6.10 RC-1 comes with more than 20 bugfixes, including
> support
> >>>> for Android API 33, which will be a requirement for submitting new
> apps
> >> to
> >>>> the Google Play Store as of the 31st of August.
> >>>>
> >>>> You can find more details on the bug fixes and improvements of this
> new
> >>>> release here:
> >>>>
> >>>> https://livecode.com/livecode-9-6-10-rc-1-released/
> >>>>
> >>>> You can find the release in your LiveCode account area or get it via
> the
> >>>> automatic updater.
> >>>>
> >>>> Enjoy!
> >>>>
> >>>> Kind regards
> >>>> The LiveCode Team
> >>>> --
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> use-livecode mailing list
> >>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> >> subscription preferences:
> >>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >>>
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> >>
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From merakosp at gmail.com  Thu Aug 17 12:23:10 2023
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis m)
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2023 19:23:10 +0300
Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10 RC-1
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq_F8j8poPgO-+t6R5S6zoAJ8SNtbWVzPZuW41HG=380nw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+JfEq9P4-3x7pJ+vEjN-HNRWjq+k9Y=4BU=Xy6FTSfRN0V6Aw@mail.gmail.com>
 <ABA76994-DFC1-4BD5-B2ED-DF787671A083@canelasoftware.com>
 <D5DB280C-9F6E-4C62-9701-D9C1F2AFBF92@m-r-d.de>
 <CA+JfEq__Jg5DWGMEGBjtcd7KEYTNR2i67sRZWrx0qJWPiRgnuQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <D3C87434-28D6-4E63-8F72-DD8F19012266@me.com>
 <CA+JfEq_F8j8poPgO-+t6R5S6zoAJ8SNtbWVzPZuW41HG=380nw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq_mhP2n7hZkghc72z-4wg2rkMMyJ+RQ65RHyuFUxt4hoA@mail.gmail.com>

OK should be fixed now!

Cheers,
Panos
--

On Thu, 17 Aug 2023 at 19:22, panagiotis m <merakosp at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> Oh I see what you mean!
>
> If you go to the "Downloads" section **in your account** - not the public
> downloads page -  I confirm it only shows the release notes for LC 9.6.10
> RC1
>
> But you can still get LC 9.6.10 RC-1 if you go to Products -> LiveCode
> dropdown
>
> We will fix the issue asap.
>
> Thanks for spotting it!
>
> Cheers,
> Panos
>
> On Thu, 17 Aug 2023 at 19:13, HENRY LOWE via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> I see only a link to the release notes.
>>
>> Henry
>>
>> > On Aug 17, 2023, at 5:05 PM, panagiotis m via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hello Mark,
>> >
>> > As Matthias noted, you can find this release in your account area. You
>> have
>> > to scroll down a bit because the stable releases are listed at the top.
>> >
>> > In the downloads page you can only find the last stable release -
>> currently
>> > 9.6.9.
>> >
>> > Kind regards,
>> > Panos
>> > --
>> >
>> > On Thu, 17 Aug 2023 at 19:02, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <
>> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> As Panos wrote.. ;)
>> >>
>> >> You can find the release in your LiveCode account area or get it via
>> the
>> >> automatic updater.
>> >>
>> >>> Am 17.08.2023 um 17:57 schrieb Mark Talluto via use-livecode <
>> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>> >>>
>> >>> Hi Panos,
>> >>>
>> >>> I am looking forward to testing this build. I do not have any links to
>> >> the download on the page. They appear to be missing.
>> >>>
>> >>> The release notes are linked, and I can read them.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Best regards,
>> >>> Mark Talluto
>> >>>
>> >>> appli.io <https://appli.io/>
>> >>> livecloud.io <https://livecloud.io/>
>> >>> nursenotes.net <https://nursenotes.net/>
>> >>> canelasoftware.com <https://www.canelasoftware.com/>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> On Aug 17, 2023, at 7:02 AM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
>> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Dear list members,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.10 RC-1.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> LiveCode 9.6.10 RC-1 comes with more than 20 bugfixes, including
>> support
>> >>>> for Android API 33, which will be a requirement for submitting new
>> apps
>> >> to
>> >>>> the Google Play Store as of the 31st of August.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> You can find more details on the bug fixes and improvements of this
>> new
>> >>>> release here:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> https://livecode.com/livecode-9-6-10-rc-1-released/
>> >>>>
>> >>>> You can find the release in your LiveCode account area or get it via
>> the
>> >>>> automatic updater.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Enjoy!
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Kind regards
>> >>>> The LiveCode Team
>> >>>> --
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From mark at canelasoftware.com  Thu Aug 17 12:28:23 2023
From: mark at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto)
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2023 09:28:23 -0700
Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10 RC-1
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq_mhP2n7hZkghc72z-4wg2rkMMyJ+RQ65RHyuFUxt4hoA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+JfEq9P4-3x7pJ+vEjN-HNRWjq+k9Y=4BU=Xy6FTSfRN0V6Aw@mail.gmail.com>
 <ABA76994-DFC1-4BD5-B2ED-DF787671A083@canelasoftware.com>
 <D5DB280C-9F6E-4C62-9701-D9C1F2AFBF92@m-r-d.de>
 <CA+JfEq__Jg5DWGMEGBjtcd7KEYTNR2i67sRZWrx0qJWPiRgnuQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <D3C87434-28D6-4E63-8F72-DD8F19012266@me.com>
 <CA+JfEq_F8j8poPgO-+t6R5S6zoAJ8SNtbWVzPZuW41HG=380nw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CA+JfEq_mhP2n7hZkghc72z-4wg2rkMMyJ+RQ65RHyuFUxt4hoA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DFEC032B-3AEA-417D-98BC-67572AB5894F@canelasoftware.com>

Much appreciated, Panos.

I just wanted to confirm that you fixed the issue. Downloading now.


Best regards,
Mark Talluto

appli.io <https://appli.io/>
livecloud.io <https://livecloud.io/>
nursenotes.net <https://nursenotes.net/>
canelasoftware.com <https://www.canelasoftware.com/>



> On Aug 17, 2023, at 9:23 AM, panagiotis m via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> OK should be fixed now!
> 
> Cheers,
> Panos
> --
> 
> On Thu, 17 Aug 2023 at 19:22, panagiotis m <merakosp at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hello all,
>> 
>> Oh I see what you mean!
>> 
>> If you go to the "Downloads" section **in your account** - not the public
>> downloads page -  I confirm it only shows the release notes for LC 9.6.10
>> RC1
>> 
>> But you can still get LC 9.6.10 RC-1 if you go to Products -> LiveCode
>> dropdown
>> 
>> We will fix the issue asap.
>> 
>> Thanks for spotting it!
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Panos
>> 
>> On Thu, 17 Aug 2023 at 19:13, HENRY LOWE via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I see only a link to the release notes.
>>> 
>>> Henry
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 17, 2023, at 5:05 PM, panagiotis m via use-livecode <
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hello Mark,
>>>> 
>>>> As Matthias noted, you can find this release in your account area. You
>>> have
>>>> to scroll down a bit because the stable releases are listed at the top.
>>>> 
>>>> In the downloads page you can only find the last stable release -
>>> currently
>>>> 9.6.9.
>>>> 
>>>> Kind regards,
>>>> Panos
>>>> --
>>>> 
>>>> On Thu, 17 Aug 2023 at 19:02, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> As Panos wrote.. ;)
>>>>> 
>>>>> You can find the release in your LiveCode account area or get it via
>>> the
>>>>> automatic updater.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Am 17.08.2023 um 17:57 schrieb Mark Talluto via use-livecode <
>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi Panos,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I am looking forward to testing this build. I do not have any links to
>>>>> the download on the page. They appear to be missing.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The release notes are linked, and I can read them.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>> Mark Talluto
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> appli.io <https://appli.io/>
>>>>>> livecloud.io <https://livecloud.io/>
>>>>>> nursenotes.net <https://nursenotes.net/>
>>>>>> canelasoftware.com <https://www.canelasoftware.com/>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Aug 17, 2023, at 7:02 AM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Dear list members,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.10 RC-1.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> LiveCode 9.6.10 RC-1 comes with more than 20 bugfixes, including
>>> support
>>>>>>> for Android API 33, which will be a requirement for submitting new
>>> apps
>>>>> to
>>>>>>> the Google Play Store as of the 31st of August.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> You can find more details on the bug fixes and improvements of this
>>> new
>>>>>>> release here:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> https://livecode.com/livecode-9-6-10-rc-1-released/
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> You can find the release in your LiveCode account area or get it via
>>> the
>>>>>>> automatic updater.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Enjoy!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Kind regards
>>>>>>> The LiveCode Team
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>>>> subscription preferences:
>>>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>>>> subscription preferences:
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>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>>>> subscription preferences:
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From mark at canelasoftware.com  Thu Aug 17 12:30:16 2023
From: mark at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto)
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2023 09:30:16 -0700
Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10 RC-1
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq_F8j8poPgO-+t6R5S6zoAJ8SNtbWVzPZuW41HG=380nw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+JfEq9P4-3x7pJ+vEjN-HNRWjq+k9Y=4BU=Xy6FTSfRN0V6Aw@mail.gmail.com>
 <ABA76994-DFC1-4BD5-B2ED-DF787671A083@canelasoftware.com>
 <D5DB280C-9F6E-4C62-9701-D9C1F2AFBF92@m-r-d.de>
 <CA+JfEq__Jg5DWGMEGBjtcd7KEYTNR2i67sRZWrx0qJWPiRgnuQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <D3C87434-28D6-4E63-8F72-DD8F19012266@me.com>
 <CA+JfEq_F8j8poPgO-+t6R5S6zoAJ8SNtbWVzPZuW41HG=380nw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BFB0C902-592B-4C53-A4A6-E43749E0F83E@canelasoftware.com>

Oh, I did not know you could get the downloads another way. I learn something new every day. Thanks.


Best regards,
Mark Talluto

appli.io <https://appli.io/>
livecloud.io <https://livecloud.io/>
nursenotes.net <https://nursenotes.net/>
canelasoftware.com <https://www.canelasoftware.com/>



> On Aug 17, 2023, at 9:22 AM, panagiotis m via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> Oh I see what you mean!
> 
> If you go to the "Downloads" section **in your account** - not the public
> downloads page -  I confirm it only shows the release notes for LC 9.6.10
> RC1
> 
> But you can still get LC 9.6.10 RC-1 if you go to Products -> LiveCode
> dropdown
> 
> We will fix the issue asap.
> 
> Thanks for spotting it!
> 
> Cheers,
> Panos
> 
> On Thu, 17 Aug 2023 at 19:13, HENRY LOWE via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> I see only a link to the release notes.
>> 
>> Henry
>> 
>>> On Aug 17, 2023, at 5:05 PM, panagiotis m via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Mark,
>>> 
>>> As Matthias noted, you can find this release in your account area. You
>> have
>>> to scroll down a bit because the stable releases are listed at the top.
>>> 
>>> In the downloads page you can only find the last stable release -
>> currently
>>> 9.6.9.
>>> 
>>> Kind regards,
>>> Panos
>>> --
>>> 
>>> On Thu, 17 Aug 2023 at 19:02, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> As Panos wrote.. ;)
>>>> 
>>>> You can find the release in your LiveCode account area or get it via the
>>>> automatic updater.
>>>> 
>>>>> Am 17.08.2023 um 17:57 schrieb Mark Talluto via use-livecode <
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Panos,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am looking forward to testing this build. I do not have any links to
>>>> the download on the page. They appear to be missing.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The release notes are linked, and I can read them.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> Mark Talluto
>>>>> 
>>>>> appli.io <https://appli.io/>
>>>>> livecloud.io <https://livecloud.io/>
>>>>> nursenotes.net <https://nursenotes.net/>
>>>>> canelasoftware.com <https://www.canelasoftware.com/>
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Aug 17, 2023, at 7:02 AM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Dear list members,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.10 RC-1.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> LiveCode 9.6.10 RC-1 comes with more than 20 bugfixes, including
>> support
>>>>>> for Android API 33, which will be a requirement for submitting new
>> apps
>>>> to
>>>>>> the Google Play Store as of the 31st of August.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> You can find more details on the bug fixes and improvements of this
>> new
>>>>>> release here:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> https://livecode.com/livecode-9-6-10-rc-1-released/
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> You can find the release in your LiveCode account area or get it via
>> the
>>>>>> automatic updater.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Enjoy!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Kind regards
>>>>>> The LiveCode Team
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>>> subscription preferences:
>>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>>>> 
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>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>>> subscription preferences:
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From tom at makeshyft.com  Thu Aug 17 14:46:43 2023
From: tom at makeshyft.com (Tom Glod)
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2023 14:46:43 -0400
Subject: xavvi - temper your expectations
In-Reply-To: <136C8206-6B98-4401-9CB7-4CD4B14CEA9F@m-r-d.de>
References: <CADCoycNP3n=CuJzfRJ7xZ+5AsGe6jzLFYwyur3EvAyD09-xshg@mail.gmail.com>
 <136C8206-6B98-4401-9CB7-4CD4B14CEA9F@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <CAPzQJLJtiNzkK=7s-xCjLWztviieOLcUoULrO313jhym3XpfKw@mail.gmail.com>

If I was integrating AI into livecode, I would train it on a higher level
api built for it, instead of letting it use Livecode Script willy nilly.
That would prevent the kinds of hallucinations that it has while trying to
write livecode script.
I suspect that Livecode has thought of this and has written and trained it
on an API less prone to these problems.


On Thu, Aug 10, 2023 at 3:32 PM matthias rebbe via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I thought Xavvi will make use of AI, but the use is not mandatory. So even
> without AI, XAVVI would be an online development tool which can deploy web
> apps and which also could import and export Livecode stacks.
>
>
>
> Am 10.08.2023 um 21:22 schrieb Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> >
> > i'm using chatgpt and bard, every day, because i can, and because
> > sometimes they give me more comprehensive things to think about.
> > but, they are wrong. a lot.
> > zdnet just published a piece, today, documenting the same thing: wrong
> >> 50% of the time.
> > so, temper your expectations for xavvi in the medium term:
> >
> https://www.zdnet.com/article/chatgpt-answers-more-than-half-of-software-engineering-questions-incorrectly/
> >
> > --
> > On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> > On the second day, God created the oceans.
> > On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
> >   and did a little diving.
> > And God said, "This is good."
> >
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From neville.smythe at optusnet.com.au  Thu Aug 17 21:05:29 2023
From: neville.smythe at optusnet.com.au (Neville Smythe)
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2023 11:05:29 +1000
Subject: Linux filenames in LC Server
Message-ID: <60945C1B-BA73-47BC-8825-FCBD68F9B457@optusnet.com.au>

Hi Matthias, I didn’t see your post until now. I did wonder if .htaccess could be used using Rewrite rules, but I couldn’t get my head around the documentation. 

So it’s good to know both methods work. We are running other apps on the website so I wonder a bit if setting the environment variables for everything running under apache might have some side effects, so I’ll stick with Mark’s launch script method.

Neville Smythe





From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Fri Aug 18 01:38:07 2023
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe)
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2023 07:38:07 +0200
Subject: Linux filenames in LC Server
In-Reply-To: <60945C1B-BA73-47BC-8825-FCBD68F9B457@optusnet.com.au>
References: <60945C1B-BA73-47BC-8825-FCBD68F9B457@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <4C698EAD-26AC-4D13-BBF2-2F2A96198A3B@m-r-d.de>

Neville,

The htaccess solution would also not harm other apps because the environment variable is only set when executing .lc files and they’re only used within that session. 

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

> Am 18.08.2023 um 03:07 schrieb Neville Smythe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Hi Matthias, I didn’t see your post until now. I did wonder if .htaccess could be used using Rewrite rules, but I couldn’t get my head around the documentation. 
> 
> So it’s good to know both methods work. We are running other apps on the website so I wonder a bit if setting the environment variables for everything running under apache might have some side effects, so I’ll stick with Mark’s launch script method.
> 
> Neville Smythe
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From dfe4 at cornell.edu  Fri Aug 18 12:03:44 2023
From: dfe4 at cornell.edu (David Epstein)
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2023 12:03:44 -0400
Subject: Detecting when resizeStack is completed
Message-ID: <F09F8164-2A68-45E8-BAC9-EE9402DDE282@cornell.edu>

How can I redraw objects after the user has resized the stack, but not continuously during the resize?  Releasing the mouse at the end of a resize does not appear to send a mouseUp message.

David Epstein

From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Aug 18 12:13:11 2023
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2023 16:13:11 +0000
Subject: Detecting when resizeStack is completed
In-Reply-To: <F09F8164-2A68-45E8-BAC9-EE9402DDE282@cornell.edu>
References: <F09F8164-2A68-45E8-BAC9-EE9402DDE282@cornell.edu>
Message-ID: <1430D38D-9538-495E-83CA-8BF93E26696D@iotecdigital.com>

Have you tried mouseStillDown?

Bob S


> On Aug 18, 2023, at 9:03 AM, David Epstein via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> How can I redraw objects after the user has resized the stack, but not continuously during the resize?  Releasing the mouse at the end of a resize does not appear to send a mouseUp message.
> 
> David Epstein
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Aug 18 12:14:53 2023
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2023 16:14:53 +0000
Subject: Detecting when resizeStack is completed
In-Reply-To: <1430D38D-9538-495E-83CA-8BF93E26696D@iotecdigital.com>
References: <F09F8164-2A68-45E8-BAC9-EE9402DDE282@cornell.edu>
 <1430D38D-9538-495E-83CA-8BF93E26696D@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <67ED45B5-6265-4CE2-BCA8-A8E99D3A091B@iotecdigital.com>

Or rather check if the mouse is down

Bob S


> On Aug 18, 2023, at 9:13 AM, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com> wrote:
> 
> Have you tried mouseStillDown?
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Aug 18, 2023, at 9:03 AM, David Epstein via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> How can I redraw objects after the user has resized the stack, but not continuously during the resize?  Releasing the mouse at the end of a resize does not appear to send a mouseUp message.
>> 
>> David Epstein
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
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>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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> 



From paul at researchware.com  Fri Aug 18 12:25:11 2023
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2023 12:25:11 -0400
Subject: Detecting when resizeStack is completed
In-Reply-To: <F09F8164-2A68-45E8-BAC9-EE9402DDE282@cornell.edu>
References: <F09F8164-2A68-45E8-BAC9-EE9402DDE282@cornell.edu>
Message-ID: <cbb709de-7831-7cf1-3070-123a2a343308@researchware.com>

On 8/18/2023 12:03 PM, David Epstein via use-livecode wrote:
> How can I redraw objects after the user has resized the stack, but not continuously during the resize?  Releasing the mouse at the end of a resize does not appear to send a mouseUp message.
>
>

after resizeStack
  -- actions you want to occur after
end resizeStack

Look at the "after" control structure in the Dictionary. I am NOT sure 
whether this will trigger after EACH resizeStack message (not what you 
want) OR only after the last resizeStack message (what you want), but it 
may be worth trying (I have not tried it myself)




From mark at livecode.com  Fri Aug 18 12:29:47 2023
From: mark at livecode.com (Mark Waddingham)
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2023 17:29:47 +0100
Subject: Detecting when resizeStack is completed
In-Reply-To: <F09F8164-2A68-45E8-BAC9-EE9402DDE282@cornell.edu>
References: <F09F8164-2A68-45E8-BAC9-EE9402DDE282@cornell.edu>
Message-ID: <22b27f1af72510aa5ff4bb932086ee51@livecode.com>

On 2023-08-18 17:03, David Epstein via use-livecode wrote:
> How can I redraw objects after the user has resized the stack, but not 
> continuously during the resize?  Releasing the mouse at the end of a 
> resize does not appear to send a mouseUp message.

Normal window resizing is handled by the OS, so doesn't generate mouse 
events.

One way to get close to what you request is to only relayout your 
objects if the user has not changed the size within a short period. 
Something like:
```
local sPendingResizeId
constant kResizeTimeout = 20

on resizeStack pWidth, pHeight
    /* If there is already a deferred request to resize then cancel. */
    if sPendingResizeId is not empty then
       cancel sPendingResizeId
    end if

    /* Defer the request to resize for a further period. */
    send "_doResizeStack pWidth, pHeight" to me in kResizeTimeout 
milliseconds
    put the result into sPendingResizeId
end resizeStack

on _doResizeStack pWidth, pHeight
    lock screen
    ... do relayout ...
    unlock screen
end _doResizeStack
```

This defers the relayout code until a resize stack message has not been 
sent for the timeout interval.

Warmest Regards,

Mark.

-- 
Mark Waddingham ~ mark at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
LiveCode: Build Amazing Things


From martyknappster at gmail.com  Fri Aug 18 14:20:19 2023
From: martyknappster at gmail.com (Marty Knapp)
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2023 11:20:19 -0700
Subject: Solved: Writing to Mac Application Support folder
In-Reply-To: <003fd44c-f5c0-cdbf-8865-f4722e83bdcd@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <2afdbfdd-2c31-d334-14ef-68b561e3a287@hyperactivesw.com>
 <E50BBA91-FEE2-4E94-A664-8650BD90E5E2@elementarysoftware.com>
 <583ff6d4-3def-d10f-66a8-e280bac8be05@hyperactivesw.com>
 <B7863B9E-3022-4627-A762-4283DA6F4392@elementarysoftware.com>
 <003fd44c-f5c0-cdbf-8865-f4722e83bdcd@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <D82AF52C-0CF9-4204-8E03-20568B8EE5BB@gmail.com>

As I’m now working to get an app ready for Sonoma, I’m wondering what the official resolution is to writing to both the “Preferences” folder and the “Application Support” folder. What I’m finding is that this question from Jacque is the last in this thread. Was there a response from Panos or Mark?

I will be dealing with existing customers upgrading to Sonoma as well as new customers and don’t want my inbox flooded with angry emails!

Marty

> On Jul 15, 2023, at 1:22 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Good approach. I assume if there is no file in Preferences, you write defaults directly to the container.
> 
> I got curious and looked at where LC stores its files. They do not have a container. It's mostly in Application Support, in a folder "RunRev" (there's also an older one there named "Runtime Revolution".) Some of the files were updated recently so it apparently still works. Now I wonder if there's another way to do this stuff.
> 
> I'd like some definitive info about this. @Panos? @Mark?
> 
> On 7/15/23 12:24 AM, scott--- via use-livecode wrote:
>> Thanks again, Jacque.
>> My solution for migrating preference files from the Preferences folder to the Container turned out to be quite simple but for some reason I spent a bunch of time pondering other more complicated methods. In the end I changed an existing function which returns a path to the preferences file and had it first look to see if a Container exists. If it doesn’t then it creates the Container but still returns the path to the original Preferences folder. (This works in my use case because the app's first call to this function will always be to “read” the preference file)  Now that the Container exists, all future calls to the function will return the Container path… and the original data, having been already loaded into the app, is ready to write to (and read from) the new Container location.
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> 



From dan at clearvisiontech.com  Fri Aug 18 16:32:57 2023
From: dan at clearvisiontech.com (Dan Friedman)
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2023 20:32:57 +0000
Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10 RC-1
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq9P4-3x7pJ+vEjN-HNRWjq+k9Y=4BU=Xy6FTSfRN0V6Aw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+JfEq9P4-3x7pJ+vEjN-HNRWjq+k9Y=4BU=Xy6FTSfRN0V6Aw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BYAPR12MB2709B0873413D082DC947D9DB91BA@BYAPR12MB2709.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>

Panos,

What about 10.0.0?  Is there an update coming?   I sure hope so… I’m going to be hosed if not.

-Dan


From: use-livecode <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com> on behalf of panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Date: Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 7:04 AM
To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Cc: panagiotis merakos <panos.merakos at livecode.com>
Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10 RC-1
Dear list members,

We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.10 RC-1.

LiveCode 9.6.10 RC-1 comes with more than 20 bugfixes, including support
for Android API 33, which will be a requirement for submitting new apps to
the Google Play Store as of the 31st of August.

You can find more details on the bug fixes and improvements of this new
release here:

https://livecode.com/livecode-9-6-10-rc-1-released/

You can find the release in your LiveCode account area or get it via the
automatic updater.

Enjoy!

Kind regards
The LiveCode Team
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From dsc at swcp.com  Fri Aug 18 16:45:25 2023
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2023 14:45:25 -0600
Subject: Group corners
Message-ID: <AA715BFF-8EF9-45DA-B081-07BEC7D53CAE@swcp.com>


If I turn off 3D for a group, the corners of the rectangle are weird. Advice? — Dar

From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Fri Aug 18 16:50:00 2023
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2023 22:50:00 +0200
Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10 RC-1
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR12MB2709B0873413D082DC947D9DB91BA@BYAPR12MB2709.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CA+JfEq9P4-3x7pJ+vEjN-HNRWjq+k9Y=4BU=Xy6FTSfRN0V6Aw@mail.gmail.com>
 <BYAPR12MB2709B0873413D082DC947D9DB91BA@BYAPR12MB2709.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <A53F7BEF-7605-4758-B515-F41DF73B4994@m-r-d.de>

On the 25th July Heather wrote the following:

"We are working on LiveCode 10 dp6. We expect it to ship in August, with support for Web Fonts plus a number of bug fixes. Web Fonts turned out to be rather trickier than expected but it looks like we've got it more or less sorted out now. 

If there are specific bugs in 10 dp-5 that are really problematic for you, its worth flagging them to me in support (not on the list) so I can at least find out for you if they will be fixed in dp-6. Please send me the bug report number from the Quality Center for checking. "




> Am 18.08.2023 um 22:32 schrieb Dan Friedman via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Panos,
> 
> What about 10.0.0?  Is there an update coming?   I sure hope so… I’m going to be hosed if not.
> 
> -Dan
> 
> 
> From: use-livecode <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com> on behalf of panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Date: Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 7:04 AM
> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Cc: panagiotis merakos <panos.merakos at livecode.com>
> Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10 RC-1
> Dear list members,
> 
> We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.10 RC-1.
> 
> LiveCode 9.6.10 RC-1 comes with more than 20 bugfixes, including support
> for Android API 33, which will be a requirement for submitting new apps to
> the Google Play Store as of the 31st of August.
> 
> You can find more details on the bug fixes and improvements of this new
> release here:
> 
> https://livecode.com/livecode-9-6-10-rc-1-released/
> 
> You can find the release in your LiveCode account area or get it via the
> automatic updater.
> 
> Enjoy!
> 
> Kind regards
> The LiveCode Team
> --
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From merakosp at gmail.com  Fri Aug 18 17:05:03 2023
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis m)
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2023 00:05:03 +0300
Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10 RC-1
In-Reply-To: <A53F7BEF-7605-4758-B515-F41DF73B4994@m-r-d.de>
References: <CA+JfEq9P4-3x7pJ+vEjN-HNRWjq+k9Y=4BU=Xy6FTSfRN0V6Aw@mail.gmail.com>
 <BYAPR12MB2709B0873413D082DC947D9DB91BA@BYAPR12MB2709.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
 <A53F7BEF-7605-4758-B515-F41DF73B4994@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq86799=-40xP3kx1uMeWXHye-OkgD3H8BDLb4LOCSbNOA@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all,

Yes, the plan is to release LC 10 dp-6 before the end of the month, which
will include support for API 33 as well as all the other fixes/enhancements
of LC 9.6.10 rc1.

Cheers,
Panos

On Fri, 18 Aug 2023, 23:50 matthias rebbe via use-livecode, <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> On the 25th July Heather wrote the following:
>
> "We are working on LiveCode 10 dp6. We expect it to ship in August, with
> support for Web Fonts plus a number of bug fixes. Web Fonts turned out to
> be rather trickier than expected but it looks like we've got it more or
> less sorted out now.
>
> If there are specific bugs in 10 dp-5 that are really problematic for you,
> its worth flagging them to me in support (not on the list) so I can at
> least find out for you if they will be fixed in dp-6. Please send me the
> bug report number from the Quality Center for checking. "
>
>
>
>
> > Am 18.08.2023 um 22:32 schrieb Dan Friedman via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> >
> > Panos,
> >
> > What about 10.0.0?  Is there an update coming?   I sure hope so… I’m
> going to be hosed if not.
> >
> > -Dan
> >
> >
> > From: use-livecode <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com> on behalf of
> panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> > Date: Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 7:04 AM
> > To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> > Cc: panagiotis merakos <panos.merakos at livecode.com>
> > Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10 RC-1
> > Dear list members,
> >
> > We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.10 RC-1.
> >
> > LiveCode 9.6.10 RC-1 comes with more than 20 bugfixes, including support
> > for Android API 33, which will be a requirement for submitting new apps
> to
> > the Google Play Store as of the 31st of August.
> >
> > You can find more details on the bug fixes and improvements of this new
> > release here:
> >
> > https://livecode.com/livecode-9-6-10-rc-1-released/
> >
> > You can find the release in your LiveCode account area or get it via the
> > automatic updater.
> >
> > Enjoy!
> >
> > Kind regards
> > The LiveCode Team
> > --
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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> subscription preferences:
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>
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From tom at makeshyft.com  Fri Aug 18 21:12:58 2023
From: tom at makeshyft.com (Tom Glod)
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2023 21:12:58 -0400
Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10 RC-1
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq86799=-40xP3kx1uMeWXHye-OkgD3H8BDLb4LOCSbNOA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+JfEq9P4-3x7pJ+vEjN-HNRWjq+k9Y=4BU=Xy6FTSfRN0V6Aw@mail.gmail.com>
 <BYAPR12MB2709B0873413D082DC947D9DB91BA@BYAPR12MB2709.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
 <A53F7BEF-7605-4758-B515-F41DF73B4994@m-r-d.de>
 <CA+JfEq86799=-40xP3kx1uMeWXHye-OkgD3H8BDLb4LOCSbNOA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPzQJLJoOA8sVo4jpGKdZcmWq5AewLvkURrXJj4TReRyBqr9vQ@mail.gmail.com>

There are a few big ones in this update for me. Thanks.


On Fri, Aug 18, 2023 at 5:06 PM panagiotis m via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> Yes, the plan is to release LC 10 dp-6 before the end of the month, which
> will include support for API 33 as well as all the other fixes/enhancements
> of LC 9.6.10 rc1.
>
> Cheers,
> Panos
>
> On Fri, 18 Aug 2023, 23:50 matthias rebbe via use-livecode, <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > On the 25th July Heather wrote the following:
> >
> > "We are working on LiveCode 10 dp6. We expect it to ship in August, with
> > support for Web Fonts plus a number of bug fixes. Web Fonts turned out to
> > be rather trickier than expected but it looks like we've got it more or
> > less sorted out now.
> >
> > If there are specific bugs in 10 dp-5 that are really problematic for
> you,
> > its worth flagging them to me in support (not on the list) so I can at
> > least find out for you if they will be fixed in dp-6. Please send me the
> > bug report number from the Quality Center for checking. "
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > Am 18.08.2023 um 22:32 schrieb Dan Friedman via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> > >
> > > Panos,
> > >
> > > What about 10.0.0?  Is there an update coming?   I sure hope so… I’m
> > going to be hosed if not.
> > >
> > > -Dan
> > >
> > >
> > > From: use-livecode <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com> on behalf
> of
> > panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> > > Date: Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 7:04 AM
> > > To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> > > Cc: panagiotis merakos <panos.merakos at livecode.com>
> > > Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10 RC-1
> > > Dear list members,
> > >
> > > We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.10 RC-1.
> > >
> > > LiveCode 9.6.10 RC-1 comes with more than 20 bugfixes, including
> support
> > > for Android API 33, which will be a requirement for submitting new apps
> > to
> > > the Google Play Store as of the 31st of August.
> > >
> > > You can find more details on the bug fixes and improvements of this new
> > > release here:
> > >
> > > https://livecode.com/livecode-9-6-10-rc-1-released/
> > >
> > > You can find the release in your LiveCode account area or get it via
> the
> > > automatic updater.
> > >
> > > Enjoy!
> > >
> > > Kind regards
> > > The LiveCode Team
> > > --
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > use-livecode mailing list
> > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > subscription preferences:
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From andreas.bergendal at gmail.com  Sat Aug 19 11:37:30 2023
From: andreas.bergendal at gmail.com (Andreas Bergendal)
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2023 17:37:30 +0200
Subject: Regex negative lookahead not working in LC?
Message-ID: <8198ED98-7D84-4874-80FB-965632384373@gmail.com>

Hi all,

I’m trying to run a matchChunk regex on an LC script text, with the aim of scoring a hit only if a word is NOT commented out by one of the comment methods.

This regex works beautifully when tested in regex101.com (PCRE flavor):

(?i)^(?:(?!--|#|\/\/).)*\b(myHandler)\b

When applied on the text

command myOtherHandler
   # myHandler
  // myHandler
  -- myhandler
  notMyHandler
end myOtherHandler

it should score zero matches and it does.


When applied on the text

command myOtherHandler
   # myHandler
  // myHandler
  -- myhandler
   myHandler
end myOtherHandler

it should score 1 match and it does.

Applying the same regex in LC does NOT score any match in the latter example though.

Why? Doesn't negative lookahead work in LC? (v9.6.9 stable.)

Best,
Andreas

From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Aug 19 13:07:06 2023
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2023 12:07:06 -0500
Subject: Group corners
In-Reply-To: <AA715BFF-8EF9-45DA-B081-07BEC7D53CAE@swcp.com>
References: <AA715BFF-8EF9-45DA-B081-07BEC7D53CAE@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <18a0ec3c2a8.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>

Weird how? The corners should be right angles. Do you see something different?

--
Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
On August 18, 2023 3:47:34 PM Dar Scott via use-livecode 
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> If I turn off 3D for a group, the corners of the rectangle are weird. 
> Advice?  Dar
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Aug 19 13:24:57 2023
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2023 12:24:57 -0500
Subject: Regex negative lookahead not working in LC?
In-Reply-To: <8198ED98-7D84-4874-80FB-965632384373@gmail.com>
References: <8198ED98-7D84-4874-80FB-965632384373@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <18a0ed41e28.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>

Nope.
https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21534
--
Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
On August 19, 2023 10:39:52 AM Andreas Bergendal via use-livecode 
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> Why? Doesn't negative lookahead work in LC? (v9.6.9 stable.)





From andreas.bergendal at gmail.com  Sat Aug 19 14:17:43 2023
From: andreas.bergendal at gmail.com (Andreas Bergendal)
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2023 20:17:43 +0200
Subject: Regex negative lookahead not working in LC?
Message-ID: <0DB59228-0ADC-43B0-AFBE-DE0AC94CC457@gmail.com>

> Nope.
> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21534

Oh no! Well, cumbersome workaround it is then…
Thanks Jacque!


From fmoyer at aol.com  Sat Aug 19 14:32:09 2023
From: fmoyer at aol.com (FRED MOYER)
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2023 14:32:09 -0400
Subject: How to search this list
References: <AB54E0F9-AB9C-483F-AB8E-4539C29F365C.ref@aol.com>
Message-ID: <AB54E0F9-AB9C-483F-AB8E-4539C29F365C@aol.com>

It’s been a long time since I’ve used this list. I’m puzzled -- it says I can search the archives for this list at
	http://www.google.com/advanced_search?q=site:lists.runrev.com <http://www.google.com/advanced_search?q=site:lists.runrev.com>

If I search for something that I know is there (like “CharIndex” which was in some recent posts) it doesn’t find anything. 

In particular, I’m looking for information about keysdown — again no hits in that google search site.

Thanks for your help.

Fred Moyer






From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Sat Aug 19 15:42:26 2023
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2023 15:42:26 -0400
Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10 RC-1
In-Reply-To: <CAPzQJLJoOA8sVo4jpGKdZcmWq5AewLvkURrXJj4TReRyBqr9vQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+JfEq9P4-3x7pJ+vEjN-HNRWjq+k9Y=4BU=Xy6FTSfRN0V6Aw@mail.gmail.com>
 <BYAPR12MB2709B0873413D082DC947D9DB91BA@BYAPR12MB2709.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
 <A53F7BEF-7605-4758-B515-F41DF73B4994@m-r-d.de>
 <CA+JfEq86799=-40xP3kx1uMeWXHye-OkgD3H8BDLb4LOCSbNOA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAPzQJLJoOA8sVo4jpGKdZcmWq5AewLvkURrXJj4TReRyBqr9vQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycPXUy1DVsOhCNFSwHDawvTPm05ECu-+nV0sHCRt9KYPgA@mail.gmail.com>

but hold off on the xcode command line tools 14.3 update?

On Fri, Aug 18, 2023 at 9:14 PM Tom Glod via use-livecode
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> There are a few big ones in this update for me. Thanks.
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 18, 2023 at 5:06 PM panagiotis m via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > Hello all,
> >
> > Yes, the plan is to release LC 10 dp-6 before the end of the month, which
> > will include support for API 33 as well as all the other fixes/enhancements
> > of LC 9.6.10 rc1.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Panos
> >
> > On Fri, 18 Aug 2023, 23:50 matthias rebbe via use-livecode, <
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > > On the 25th July Heather wrote the following:
> > >
> > > "We are working on LiveCode 10 dp6. We expect it to ship in August, with
> > > support for Web Fonts plus a number of bug fixes. Web Fonts turned out to
> > > be rather trickier than expected but it looks like we've got it more or
> > > less sorted out now.
> > >
> > > If there are specific bugs in 10 dp-5 that are really problematic for
> > you,
> > > its worth flagging them to me in support (not on the list) so I can at
> > > least find out for you if they will be fixed in dp-6. Please send me the
> > > bug report number from the Quality Center for checking. "
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Am 18.08.2023 um 22:32 schrieb Dan Friedman via use-livecode <
> > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> > > >
> > > > Panos,
> > > >
> > > > What about 10.0.0?  Is there an update coming?   I sure hope so… I’m
> > > going to be hosed if not.
> > > >
> > > > -Dan
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: use-livecode <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com> on behalf
> > of
> > > panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> > > > Date: Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 7:04 AM
> > > > To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> > > > Cc: panagiotis merakos <panos.merakos at livecode.com>
> > > > Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10 RC-1
> > > > Dear list members,
> > > >
> > > > We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.10 RC-1.
> > > >
> > > > LiveCode 9.6.10 RC-1 comes with more than 20 bugfixes, including
> > support
> > > > for Android API 33, which will be a requirement for submitting new apps
> > > to
> > > > the Google Play Store as of the 31st of August.
> > > >
> > > > You can find more details on the bug fixes and improvements of this new
> > > > release here:
> > > >
> > > > https://livecode.com/livecode-9-6-10-rc-1-released/
> > > >
> > > > You can find the release in your LiveCode account area or get it via
> > the
> > > > automatic updater.
> > > >
> > > > Enjoy!
> > > >
> > > > Kind regards
> > > > The LiveCode Team
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On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sat Aug 19 16:36:57 2023
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2023 23:36:57 +0300
Subject: How to search this list
In-Reply-To: <AB54E0F9-AB9C-483F-AB8E-4539C29F365C@aol.com>
References: <AB54E0F9-AB9C-483F-AB8E-4539C29F365C.ref@aol.com>
 <AB54E0F9-AB9C-483F-AB8E-4539C29F365C@aol.com>
Message-ID: <9bff91a6-8761-489d-9b5d-1f0dfc493a89@gmail.com>

Well, I am a keysDown 'fan', so why not just explain what your problem 
is . . .

Richmond Mathewson

On 19.08.23 21:32, FRED MOYER via use-livecode wrote:
> Its been a long time since Ive used this list. Im puzzled -- it says I can search the archives for this list at
> 	http://www.google.com/advanced_search?q=site:lists.runrev.com <http://www.google.com/advanced_search?q=site:lists.runrev.com>
>
> If I search for something that I know is there (like CharIndex which was in some recent posts) it doesnt find anything.
>
> In particular, Im looking for information about keysdown  again no hits in that google search site.
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
> Fred Moyer
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Aug 19 16:37:34 2023
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2023 15:37:34 -0500
Subject: How to search this list
In-Reply-To: <AB54E0F9-AB9C-483F-AB8E-4539C29F365C@aol.com>
References: <AB54E0F9-AB9C-483F-AB8E-4539C29F365C.ref@aol.com>
 <AB54E0F9-AB9C-483F-AB8E-4539C29F365C@aol.com>
Message-ID: <18a0f8476b0.276f.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>

I'm not sure why the Google search doesn't work, but I generally use this:
<https://www.mail-archive.com/use-livecode at lists.runrev.com/>

--
Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
On August 19, 2023 1:34:16 PM FRED MOYER via use-livecode 
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Its been a long time since Ive used this list. Im puzzled -- it says I 
> can search the archives for this list at
> 	http://www.google.com/advanced_search?q=site:lists.runrev.com 
> <http://www.google.com/advanced_search?q=site:lists.runrev.com>
>
> If I search for something that I know is there (like CharIndex which was 
> in some recent posts) it doesnt find anything.
>
> In particular, Im looking for information about keysdown  again no hits 
> in that google search site.
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
> Fred Moyer
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
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From tom at makeshyft.com  Sat Aug 19 16:57:44 2023
From: tom at makeshyft.com (Tom Glod)
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2023 16:57:44 -0400
Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10 RC-1
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycPXUy1DVsOhCNFSwHDawvTPm05ECu-+nV0sHCRt9KYPgA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+JfEq9P4-3x7pJ+vEjN-HNRWjq+k9Y=4BU=Xy6FTSfRN0V6Aw@mail.gmail.com>
 <BYAPR12MB2709B0873413D082DC947D9DB91BA@BYAPR12MB2709.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
 <A53F7BEF-7605-4758-B515-F41DF73B4994@m-r-d.de>
 <CA+JfEq86799=-40xP3kx1uMeWXHye-OkgD3H8BDLb4LOCSbNOA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAPzQJLJoOA8sVo4jpGKdZcmWq5AewLvkURrXJj4TReRyBqr9vQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CADCoycPXUy1DVsOhCNFSwHDawvTPm05ECu-+nV0sHCRt9KYPgA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPzQJLL2CHzgmMXLFE4YPLgA3P1jC1bpvKLcWN1KSa9u8oqehw@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

Does this mean we have JSON support in SQLite?

This is from the documentation.:

 In other words, the JSON functions went from being opt-in with SQLite
version 3.37.2 and earlier to opt-out with SQLite version 3.38.0 and later.

Are we keeping strict to the specifications of each SQLITE version?

From mark at livecode.com  Sun Aug 20 03:09:02 2023
From: mark at livecode.com (Mark Waddingham)
Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2023 08:09:02 +0100
Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10 RC-1
In-Reply-To: <CAPzQJLL2CHzgmMXLFE4YPLgA3P1jC1bpvKLcWN1KSa9u8oqehw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+JfEq9P4-3x7pJ+vEjN-HNRWjq+k9Y=4BU=Xy6FTSfRN0V6Aw@mail.gmail.com>
 <BYAPR12MB2709B0873413D082DC947D9DB91BA@BYAPR12MB2709.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
 <A53F7BEF-7605-4758-B515-F41DF73B4994@m-r-d.de>
 <CA+JfEq86799=-40xP3kx1uMeWXHye-OkgD3H8BDLb4LOCSbNOA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAPzQJLJoOA8sVo4jpGKdZcmWq5AewLvkURrXJj4TReRyBqr9vQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CADCoycPXUy1DVsOhCNFSwHDawvTPm05ECu-+nV0sHCRt9KYPgA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAPzQJLL2CHzgmMXLFE4YPLgA3P1jC1bpvKLcWN1KSa9u8oqehw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7e9e3b20bd90462d31408ac2f6c008ab@livecode.com>

On 2023-08-19 21:57, Tom Glod via use-livecode wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> Does this mean we have JSON support in SQLite?
> 
> This is from the documentation.:
> 
>  In other words, the JSON functions went from being opt-in with SQLite
> version 3.37.2 and earlier to opt-out with SQLite version 3.38.0 and 
> later.

The SQLite JSON support was included in dbsqlite in 9.0.3 - 
https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21821

Warmest Regards,

Mark.

-- 
Mark Waddingham ~ mark at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
LiveCode: Build Amazing Things


From roland.huettmann at gmail.com  Sun Aug 20 13:25:42 2023
From: roland.huettmann at gmail.com (R.H.)
Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2023 19:25:42 +0200
Subject: How to search this list
Message-ID: <CAG1Q0g_biS-kYRQ=iGaCymn_cuLXmi8Wg1cv_+FVAjx98o267w@mail.gmail.com>

I also can not use Google search. It finds nothing in the list. If Google
is not the culprit then it deserves a bug report.

From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Sun Aug 20 14:30:10 2023
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2023 20:30:10 +0200
Subject: How to search this list
In-Reply-To: <CAG1Q0g_biS-kYRQ=iGaCymn_cuLXmi8Wg1cv_+FVAjx98o267w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAG1Q0g_biS-kYRQ=iGaCymn_cuLXmi8Wg1cv_+FVAjx98o267w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <11F15409-DB68-4336-A47B-0BC95733F808@m-r-d.de>

I just tested and used

search livecode uselist

for a google search. The 6th result showed a link to the the--mail-archive which also has a complete archiv of this mailing list.



> Am 20.08.2023 um 19:25 schrieb R.H. via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> I also can not use Google search. It finds nothing in the list. If Google
> is not the culprit then it deserves a bug report.
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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From dsc at swcp.com  Sun Aug 20 20:50:34 2023
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2023 18:50:34 -0600
Subject: Group corners
In-Reply-To: <18a0ec3c2a8.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <AA715BFF-8EF9-45DA-B081-07BEC7D53CAE@swcp.com>
 <18a0ec3c2a8.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <247E8418-0CB7-4A79-9291-F251964E4212@swcp.com>

On Mac and LiveCode 9.6.9…

Make a new stack. Put a few controls on it. Group them.

Give the group a name

Set the border width to something like 10-15 so the effect is visible.

Turn off 3D. 
 
Turn on border.

Now, turn show name on and off. When show name is off, the border looks good. When on, the border is goofy.

On my machine, when show name is on, the border gets thinner, most times. The ends of the border near the name is split into two lengths. The corners are split and some of the splits are too short. There are gaps compared to the pretty border when show name is off.

Dar


> On Aug 19, 2023, at 11:07 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Weird how? The corners should be right angles. Do you see something different?
> 
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> On August 18, 2023 3:47:34 PM Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> If I turn off 3D for a group, the corners of the rectangle are weird. Advice? — Dar
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From alex at tweedly.net  Mon Aug 21 05:56:19 2023
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2023 10:56:19 +0100
Subject: Group corners
In-Reply-To: <247E8418-0CB7-4A79-9291-F251964E4212@swcp.com>
References: <AA715BFF-8EF9-45DA-B081-07BEC7D53CAE@swcp.com>
 <18a0ec3c2a8.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <247E8418-0CB7-4A79-9291-F251964E4212@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <c82c833d-114e-4c1c-a2c5-0f2fead3ba02@tweedly.net>

I see those kind of changes (10.0.0DP5, MacOS), but the border changes 
from solid black to black/white lines - with those 'splits' you described.

Alex.

On 21/08/2023 01:50, Dar Scott via use-livecode wrote:
> On Mac and LiveCode 9.6.9
>
> Make a new stack. Put a few controls on it. Group them.
>
> Give the group a name
>
> Set the border width to something like 10-15 so the effect is visible.
>
> Turn off 3D.
>   
> Turn on border.
>
> Now, turn show name on and off. When show name is off, the border looks good. When on, the border is goofy.
>
> On my machine, when show name is on, the border gets thinner, most times. The ends of the border near the name is split into two lengths. The corners are split and some of the splits are too short. There are gaps compared to the pretty border when show name is off.
>
> Dar
>
>
>> On Aug 19, 2023, at 11:07 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> Weird how? The corners should be right angles. Do you see something different?
>>
>> --
>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>> On August 18, 2023 3:47:34 PM Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>>> If I turn off 3D for a group, the corners of the rectangle are weird. Advice?  Dar
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>>
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From mkoob at rogers.com  Mon Aug 21 07:03:32 2023
From: mkoob at rogers.com (Martin Koob)
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2023 07:03:32 -0400
Subject: How to search this list
In-Reply-To: <CAG1Q0g_biS-kYRQ=iGaCymn_cuLXmi8Wg1cv_+FVAjx98o267w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAG1Q0g_biS-kYRQ=iGaCymn_cuLXmi8Wg1cv_+FVAjx98o267w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A44CE15C-88CA-47BE-BFD7-CA5547C5D86A@rogers.com>

Hi

I followed the first few steps of the instructions on the following site.


https://www.wikihow.com/Use-Google-to-Search-Within-a-Specific-Website


 I tried this search term looking for mentions of ‘regex' in the search field of the google page not the search bar at the top.

site:http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-livecode/ regex

It returned 4 hits from the lists.  Doubt that is all of them but it is not that popular a topic

I tried then the search term ‘datagrid’  undoubtedly a more popular topic.

site:http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-livecode/ datagrid

It returned 5 hits.  I am sure that is only a small fraction.

So it kinda works  but  something is weird.   Maybe there is a parameter that sets the number of results.

Martin



> On Aug 20, 2023, at 1:25 PM, R.H. via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I also can not use Google search. It finds nothing in the list. If Google
> is not the culprit then it deserves a bug report.
> _______________________________________________
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> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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From dsc at swcp.com  Mon Aug 21 11:47:05 2023
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2023 09:47:05 -0600
Subject: Group corners
In-Reply-To: <c82c833d-114e-4c1c-a2c5-0f2fead3ba02@tweedly.net>
References: <AA715BFF-8EF9-45DA-B081-07BEC7D53CAE@swcp.com>
 <18a0ec3c2a8.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <247E8418-0CB7-4A79-9291-F251964E4212@swcp.com>
 <c82c833d-114e-4c1c-a2c5-0f2fead3ba02@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <52792949-7B0F-4F38-BDBC-A3AE7F8C641A@swcp.com>

I sprinkled some colors over the different object colors. I can see more of what is happening that way. 

Show name off: The border grows outward. If 3D is off, it has the border color. If it is on it has the bevel colors: left and top are the bottom bevel, bottom and right have the top bevel.

Show name on: Again 3D changes whether the background is used for both bevel colors or the two bevel colors are used. In this case though, instead	of the whole outline having the above color pattern, the border lines, do. In addition the inside border grows **inward**, covering things. Also, a background stripe above and below the top line covers things. This might be the background of the label; I couldn’t figure out how to set the alpha of colors to test that, so I use the opaque check box. Even with opaque of, objects are obscured.

It looks as though instead of putting an appropriate sized label over the border for the name, the object puts the opaque label above the content and tries to draw a border on top of that. The drawing is the 3D drawing, lines have 3D, not the whole rectangle of the border. The only difference for turning off 3D is using border instead of the bevels. With 3D on, one can see what is happening. The outside line is much like without the show name half width, but with a little diagonal gap in the upper left. The inside line, grows inward :( and has gaps in the lines, including the line ends around the name label.

Some behavior depends on the order I check boxes. For some experiments clear all check boxes and then turn on some.

The behavior I would have hoped for is this:

* The border always grows outward.
* Adding the show name does not change the border or background; it just puts a label over it.
* The background is in the back and extends consistently to either the inside of the border, the middle of the border or outside edge of the border. The background for the name label is the same as that for the group including the opaque modifier, so a blip of background might extend above the top border. This is noticeable only with show name.
*  Except for a little blip around the label when opaque is on, nothing obscures the content region.
* The label border is tight.

A better way might be to crop out a hole in the current border and place the name label there with a transparent background. Or layer them behind the content, but above the background. 

So…

I don’t seem to be doing something wrong. I need to look for a workaround. 

Thoughts (all involving keeping show name off):

1. I could put a small-margin label into the grouped controls so it fits just inside the border in a consistent corner.

2 I can put an opaque label on top of my border. The background color might be chosen to be that of the named group or that of its parent. I would have to address moving the group. There might be 3 ways. a) Move the label by hand. b) Add a script to do that. c) Put both label and my group into another group, but then have to figure out “of” and “parent” in scripts.

3 Draw my own border and label as the group content. (However, something seems to be weird with my rectangles on Windows.)

4. Any ideas you folks have.

Dar

> On Aug 21, 2023, at 3:56 AM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I see those kind of changes (10.0.0DP5, MacOS), but the border changes from solid black to black/white lines - with those 'splits' you described.
> 
> Alex.
> 
> On 21/08/2023 01:50, Dar Scott via use-livecode wrote:
>> On Mac and LiveCode 9.6.9…
>> 
>> Make a new stack. Put a few controls on it. Group them.
>> 
>> Give the group a name
>> 
>> Set the border width to something like 10-15 so the effect is visible.
>> 
>> Turn off 3D.
>>  Turn on border.
>> 
>> Now, turn show name on and off. When show name is off, the border looks good. When on, the border is goofy.
>> 
>> On my machine, when show name is on, the border gets thinner, most times. The ends of the border near the name is split into two lengths. The corners are split and some of the splits are too short. There are gaps compared to the pretty border when show name is off.
>> 
>> Dar
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 19, 2023, at 11:07 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Weird how? The corners should be right angles. Do you see something different?
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>> On August 18, 2023 3:47:34 PM Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> If I turn off 3D for a group, the corners of the rectangle are weird. Advice? — Dar
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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>> 
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From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Mon Aug 21 12:09:20 2023
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2023 17:09:20 +0100
Subject: No progress updates on LC 10. Am i the only one who is concerned?
In-Reply-To: <53887cdf-9bf4-4534-0741-ab08156b180b@cogapp.com>
References: <8F7D10FF-1B32-4177-BFDC-7CEE721ACF8A@m-r-d.de>
 <13ec553f-f7ef-8fb7-42b5-77e6205cec4b@cogapp.com>
 <CAKCLKtouxq+aXSTuAmrygOS=X_y9E0RJtCRnjO=1VOwburVTcw@mail.gmail.com>
 <51859D53-03FD-4FA6-9C97-33B04803F016@mail.com>
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Sad update: it's just happened to me again, with Bracket Completion switched 
off. I literally checked just before starting to type the format statement; 
after it crashed and I relaunched 10.0.0.dp5, I checked again. It was still 
switched off.

I see that the bug is marked awaiting release - but it's not mentioned in the 
release notes for 10.0.0dp6.

:-(


On 26/07/2023 09:58, Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode wrote:
> Oooh - I hadn't spotted that. (With only a little bit of fear) I'll venture 
> back into 10dp5 and turn that off. Thanks Geoff!
> 
> On 26/07/2023 03:49, Geoff Canyon via use-livecode wrote:
>> So, not to be too much of an apologist, but the issue doesn't seem like a
>> showstopper to me.
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 25, 2023 at 10:36AM Dick Kriesel via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 11:37 AM, Geoff Canyon via use-livecode <
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Maybe a silly question, but that issue lists "turn on bracket completion"
>>>> as a step to reproduce. If bracket completion is off, is it safe?
>>>
>>> Hi, Geoff. I filed the report. With bracket completion off, I saw no such
>>> problem.
>>>  Dick
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From dsc at swcp.com  Mon Aug 21 12:50:37 2023
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2023 10:50:37 -0600
Subject: Group corners
In-Reply-To: <52792949-7B0F-4F38-BDBC-A3AE7F8C641A@swcp.com>
References: <AA715BFF-8EF9-45DA-B081-07BEC7D53CAE@swcp.com>
 <18a0ec3c2a8.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <247E8418-0CB7-4A79-9291-F251964E4212@swcp.com>
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Message-ID: <1CFAF166-6813-4FBA-94E1-59C0CAD2FD2E@swcp.com>

For now, I’m using a temporary solution: I am setting the border width to 1. That might become a long-term workaround. — Dar


> On Aug 21, 2023, at 9:47 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I sprinkled some colors over the different object colors. I can see more of what is happening that way. 
> 
> Show name off: The border grows outward. If 3D is off, it has the border color. If it is on it has the bevel colors: left and top are the bottom bevel, bottom and right have the top bevel.
> 
> Show name on: Again 3D changes whether the background is used for both bevel colors or the two bevel colors are used. In this case though, instead	of the whole outline having the above color pattern, the border lines, do. In addition the inside border grows **inward**, covering things. Also, a background stripe above and below the top line covers things. This might be the background of the label; I couldn’t figure out how to set the alpha of colors to test that, so I use the opaque check box. Even with opaque of, objects are obscured.
> 
> It looks as though instead of putting an appropriate sized label over the border for the name, the object puts the opaque label above the content and tries to draw a border on top of that. The drawing is the 3D drawing, lines have 3D, not the whole rectangle of the border. The only difference for turning off 3D is using border instead of the bevels. With 3D on, one can see what is happening. The outside line is much like without the show name half width, but with a little diagonal gap in the upper left. The inside line, grows inward :( and has gaps in the lines, including the line ends around the name label.
> 
> Some behavior depends on the order I check boxes. For some experiments clear all check boxes and then turn on some.
> 
> The behavior I would have hoped for is this:
> 
> * The border always grows outward.
> * Adding the show name does not change the border or background; it just puts a label over it.
> * The background is in the back and extends consistently to either the inside of the border, the middle of the border or outside edge of the border. The background for the name label is the same as that for the group including the opaque modifier, so a blip of background might extend above the top border. This is noticeable only with show name.
> *  Except for a little blip around the label when opaque is on, nothing obscures the content region.
> * The label border is tight.
> 
> A better way might be to crop out a hole in the current border and place the name label there with a transparent background. Or layer them behind the content, but above the background. 
> 
> So…
> 
> I don’t seem to be doing something wrong. I need to look for a workaround. 
> 
> Thoughts (all involving keeping show name off):
> 
> 1. I could put a small-margin label into the grouped controls so it fits just inside the border in a consistent corner.
> 
> 2 I can put an opaque label on top of my border. The background color might be chosen to be that of the named group or that of its parent. I would have to address moving the group. There might be 3 ways. a) Move the label by hand. b) Add a script to do that. c) Put both label and my group into another group, but then have to figure out “of” and “parent” in scripts.
> 
> 3 Draw my own border and label as the group content. (However, something seems to be weird with my rectangles on Windows.)
> 
> 4. Any ideas you folks have.
> 
> Dar
> 
>> On Aug 21, 2023, at 3:56 AM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I see those kind of changes (10.0.0DP5, MacOS), but the border changes from solid black to black/white lines - with those 'splits' you described.
>> 
>> Alex.
>> 
>> On 21/08/2023 01:50, Dar Scott via use-livecode wrote:
>>> On Mac and LiveCode 9.6.9…
>>> 
>>> Make a new stack. Put a few controls on it. Group them.
>>> 
>>> Give the group a name
>>> 
>>> Set the border width to something like 10-15 so the effect is visible.
>>> 
>>> Turn off 3D.
>>> Turn on border.
>>> 
>>> Now, turn show name on and off. When show name is off, the border looks good. When on, the border is goofy.
>>> 
>>> On my machine, when show name is on, the border gets thinner, most times. The ends of the border near the name is split into two lengths. The corners are split and some of the splits are too short. There are gaps compared to the pretty border when show name is off.
>>> 
>>> Dar
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 19, 2023, at 11:07 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Weird how? The corners should be right angles. Do you see something different?
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>>> On August 18, 2023 3:47:34 PM Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> If I turn off 3D for a group, the corners of the rectangle are weird. Advice? — Dar
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Aug 21 12:58:42 2023
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2023 16:58:42 +0000
Subject: Group corners
In-Reply-To: <1CFAF166-6813-4FBA-94E1-59C0CAD2FD2E@swcp.com>
References: <AA715BFF-8EF9-45DA-B081-07BEC7D53CAE@swcp.com>
 <18a0ec3c2a8.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <247E8418-0CB7-4A79-9291-F251964E4212@swcp.com>
 <c82c833d-114e-4c1c-a2c5-0f2fead3ba02@tweedly.net>
 <52792949-7B0F-4F38-BDBC-A3AE7F8C641A@swcp.com>
 <1CFAF166-6813-4FBA-94E1-59C0CAD2FD2E@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <A6A4836A-F80B-4A6F-8BE7-B9AE8F5E523E@iotecdigital.com>

Another thing you can do is draw the “border” the way you want in a graphic app with an alpha channel for whatever you want to be transparent. Then import that image and place it behind whatever you want a border around. Be sure to set the quality to best. If you need the “border” to change, create multiple graphics, then set the source of the image accordingly. 

Bob S


> On Aug 21, 2023, at 9:50 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> For now, I’m using a temporary solution: I am setting the border width to 1. That might become a long-term workaround. — Dar
> 
> 
>> On Aug 21, 2023, at 9:47 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I sprinkled some colors over the different object colors. I can see more of what is happening that way. 
>> 
>> Show name off: The border grows outward. If 3D is off, it has the border color. If it is on it has the bevel colors: left and top are the bottom bevel, bottom and right have the top bevel.
>> 
>> Show name on: Again 3D changes whether the background is used for both bevel colors or the two bevel colors are used. In this case though, instead	of the whole outline having the above color pattern, the border lines, do. In addition the inside border grows **inward**, covering things. Also, a background stripe above and below the top line covers things. This might be the background of the label; I couldn’t figure out how to set the alpha of colors to test that, so I use the opaque check box. Even with opaque of, objects are obscured.
>> 
>> It looks as though instead of putting an appropriate sized label over the border for the name, the object puts the opaque label above the content and tries to draw a border on top of that. The drawing is the 3D drawing, lines have 3D, not the whole rectangle of the border. The only difference for turning off 3D is using border instead of the bevels. With 3D on, one can see what is happening. The outside line is much like without the show name half width, but with a little diagonal gap in the upper left. The inside line, grows inward :( and has gaps in the lines, including the line ends around the name label.
>> 
>> Some behavior depends on the order I check boxes. For some experiments clear all check boxes and then turn on some.
>> 
>> The behavior I would have hoped for is this:
>> 
>> * The border always grows outward.
>> * Adding the show name does not change the border or background; it just puts a label over it.
>> * The background is in the back and extends consistently to either the inside of the border, the middle of the border or outside edge of the border. The background for the name label is the same as that for the group including the opaque modifier, so a blip of background might extend above the top border. This is noticeable only with show name.
>> *  Except for a little blip around the label when opaque is on, nothing obscures the content region.
>> * The label border is tight.
>> 
>> A better way might be to crop out a hole in the current border and place the name label there with a transparent background. Or layer them behind the content, but above the background. 
>> 
>> So…
>> 
>> I don’t seem to be doing something wrong. I need to look for a workaround. 
>> 
>> Thoughts (all involving keeping show name off):
>> 
>> 1. I could put a small-margin label into the grouped controls so it fits just inside the border in a consistent corner.
>> 
>> 2 I can put an opaque label on top of my border. The background color might be chosen to be that of the named group or that of its parent. I would have to address moving the group. There might be 3 ways. a) Move the label by hand. b) Add a script to do that. c) Put both label and my group into another group, but then have to figure out “of” and “parent” in scripts.
>> 
>> 3 Draw my own border and label as the group content. (However, something seems to be weird with my rectangles on Windows.)
>> 
>> 4. Any ideas you folks have.
>> 
>> Dar
>> 
>>> On Aug 21, 2023, at 3:56 AM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I see those kind of changes (10.0.0DP5, MacOS), but the border changes from solid black to black/white lines - with those 'splits' you described.
>>> 
>>> Alex.
>>> 
>>> On 21/08/2023 01:50, Dar Scott via use-livecode wrote:
>>>> On Mac and LiveCode 9.6.9…
>>>> 
>>>> Make a new stack. Put a few controls on it. Group them.
>>>> 
>>>> Give the group a name
>>>> 
>>>> Set the border width to something like 10-15 so the effect is visible.
>>>> 
>>>> Turn off 3D.
>>>> Turn on border.
>>>> 
>>>> Now, turn show name on and off. When show name is off, the border looks good. When on, the border is goofy.
>>>> 
>>>> On my machine, when show name is on, the border gets thinner, most times. The ends of the border near the name is split into two lengths. The corners are split and some of the splits are too short. There are gaps compared to the pretty border when show name is off.
>>>> 
>>>> Dar
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Aug 19, 2023, at 11:07 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Weird how? The corners should be right angles. Do you see something different?
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>>>> On August 18, 2023 3:47:34 PM Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> If I turn off 3D for a group, the corners of the rectangle are weird. Advice? — Dar
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Aug 21 18:07:21 2023
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2023 17:07:21 -0500
Subject: Group corners
In-Reply-To: <1CFAF166-6813-4FBA-94E1-59C0CAD2FD2E@swcp.com>
References: <AA715BFF-8EF9-45DA-B081-07BEC7D53CAE@swcp.com>
 <18a0ec3c2a8.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <247E8418-0CB7-4A79-9291-F251964E4212@swcp.com>
 <c82c833d-114e-4c1c-a2c5-0f2fead3ba02@tweedly.net>
 <52792949-7B0F-4F38-BDBC-A3AE7F8C641A@swcp.com>
 <1CFAF166-6813-4FBA-94E1-59C0CAD2FD2E@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <3ee55d42-7222-ed9e-76fb-8a8119b2e7b5@hyperactivesw.com>

On 8/21/23 11:50 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode wrote:
> For now, I’m using a temporary solution: I am setting the border width to 1. That might become a long-term workaround.

I can reproduce your results. Weird thing: if I leave showName and showBorder on, and set the 
borderWidth to 4, and then turn on 3D I get a nice clean gray-ish border without any splits or 
lines.

Tested in LC 9.6.10 RC 1.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Aug 21 18:36:20 2023
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2023 22:36:20 +0000
Subject: Group corners
In-Reply-To: <3ee55d42-7222-ed9e-76fb-8a8119b2e7b5@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <AA715BFF-8EF9-45DA-B081-07BEC7D53CAE@swcp.com>
 <18a0ec3c2a8.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <247E8418-0CB7-4A79-9291-F251964E4212@swcp.com>
 <c82c833d-114e-4c1c-a2c5-0f2fead3ba02@tweedly.net>
 <52792949-7B0F-4F38-BDBC-A3AE7F8C641A@swcp.com>
 <1CFAF166-6813-4FBA-94E1-59C0CAD2FD2E@swcp.com>
 <3ee55d42-7222-ed9e-76fb-8a8119b2e7b5@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <744C1C8D-F279-48AE-A73D-1935EE9BFD04@iotecdigital.com>

Oh right! You can’t have 3D with a 1 pixel border, can you?? I missed that. 

Bob S


> On Aug 21, 2023, at 3:07 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> On 8/21/23 11:50 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode wrote:
>> For now, I’m using a temporary solution: I am setting the border width to 1. That might become a long-term workaround.
> 
> I can reproduce your results. Weird thing: if I leave showName and showBorder on, and set the borderWidth to 4, and then turn on 3D I get a nice clean gray-ish border without any splits or lines.
> 
> Tested in LC 9.6.10 RC 1.
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> 
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Aug 21 21:44:17 2023
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2023 20:44:17 -0500
Subject: Group corners
In-Reply-To: <744C1C8D-F279-48AE-A73D-1935EE9BFD04@iotecdigital.com>
References: <AA715BFF-8EF9-45DA-B081-07BEC7D53CAE@swcp.com>
 <18a0ec3c2a8.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <247E8418-0CB7-4A79-9291-F251964E4212@swcp.com>
 <c82c833d-114e-4c1c-a2c5-0f2fead3ba02@tweedly.net>
 <52792949-7B0F-4F38-BDBC-A3AE7F8C641A@swcp.com>
 <1CFAF166-6813-4FBA-94E1-59C0CAD2FD2E@swcp.com>
 <3ee55d42-7222-ed9e-76fb-8a8119b2e7b5@hyperactivesw.com>
 <744C1C8D-F279-48AE-A73D-1935EE9BFD04@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <18a1ae9fd68.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>

Right, but the weird thing is that with a 4-pixel border and 3d, it isn't 
3d. It's a plain gray border with the label appropriately placed. Three 
pixels works about the same.

--
Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
On August 21, 2023 5:38:26 PM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Oh right! You cant have 3D with a 1 pixel border, can you?? I missed that.
>
> Bob S
>
>
>> On Aug 21, 2023, at 3:07 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> On 8/21/23 11:50 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode wrote:
>>> For now, Im using a temporary solution: I am setting the border width to 
>>> 1. That might become a long-term workaround.
>>
>> I can reproduce your results. Weird thing: if I leave showName and 
>> showBorder on, and set the borderWidth to 4, and then turn on 3D I get a 
>> nice clean gray-ish border without any splits or lines.
>>
>> Tested in LC 9.6.10 RC 1.
>>
>> --
>> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>
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From fmoyer at aol.com  Mon Aug 21 23:05:52 2023
From: fmoyer at aol.com (FRED MOYER)
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2023 23:05:52 -0400
Subject: use-livecode Digest, Vol 239, Issue 22
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1692547201.136867.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.1.1692547201.136867.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <AB657832-A972-449E-A9E9-288965D2F410@aol.com>

Thanks everyone for the answers. I think I’m ok with keysdown now — just needed to sort a few things out.

Fred



> On Aug 20, 2023, at 12:00 PM, use-livecode-request at lists.runrev.com wrote:
> 
> Message: 6
> Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2023 23:36:57 +0300
> From: Richmond Mathewson <richmondmathewson at gmail.com <mailto:richmondmathewson at gmail.com>>
> To: FRED MOYER via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>>
> Subject: Re: How to search this list
> Message-ID: <9bff91a6-8761-489d-9b5d-1f0dfc493a89 at gmail.com <mailto:9bff91a6-8761-489d-9b5d-1f0dfc493a89 at gmail.com>>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
> 
> Well, I am a keysDown 'fan', so why not just explain what your problem 
> is . . .
> 
> Richmond Mathewson
> 
> On 19.08.23 21:32, FRED MOYER via use-livecode wrote:
>> It?s been a long time since I?ve used this list. I?m puzzled -- it says I can search the archives for this list at
>> 	http://www.google.com/advanced_search?q=site:lists.runrev.com <http://www.google.com/advanced_search?q=site:lists.runrev.com> <http://www.google.com/advanced_search?q=site:lists.runrev.com <http://www.google.com/advanced_search?q=site:lists.runrev.com>>
>> 
>> If I search for something that I know is there (like ?CharIndex? which was in some recent posts) it doesn?t find anything.
>> 
>> In particular, I?m looking for information about keysdown ? again no hits in that google search site.
>> 
>> Thanks for your help.
>> 
>> Fred Moyer
>> 


From dsc at swcp.com  Tue Aug 22 09:05:56 2023
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2023 07:05:56 -0600
Subject: Group corners
In-Reply-To: <18a1ae9fd68.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <AA715BFF-8EF9-45DA-B081-07BEC7D53CAE@swcp.com>
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 <247E8418-0CB7-4A79-9291-F251964E4212@swcp.com>
 <c82c833d-114e-4c1c-a2c5-0f2fead3ba02@tweedly.net>
 <52792949-7B0F-4F38-BDBC-A3AE7F8C641A@swcp.com>
 <1CFAF166-6813-4FBA-94E1-59C0CAD2FD2E@swcp.com>
 <3ee55d42-7222-ed9e-76fb-8a8119b2e7b5@hyperactivesw.com>
 <744C1C8D-F279-48AE-A73D-1935EE9BFD04@iotecdigital.com>
 <18a1ae9fd68.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <674F8AAF-5F4C-42C1-831C-C51B384C4D6A@swcp.com>

Yeah, the order of things seem to make a difference. It is sometimes hard to do deltas. My lazy programming style is to rebuild GUI features based on the current state whenever there is a change, and then look closer if that gets slow. 

> On Aug 21, 2023, at 7:44 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Right, but the weird thing is that with a 4-pixel border and 3d, it isn't 3d. It's a plain gray border with the label appropriately placed. Three pixels works about the same.
> 
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> On August 21, 2023 5:38:26 PM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> Oh right! You can’t have 3D with a 1 pixel border, can you?? I missed that.
>> 
>> Bob S
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 21, 2023, at 3:07 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 8/21/23 11:50 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode wrote:
>>>> For now, I’m using a temporary solution: I am setting the border width to 1. That might become a long-term workaround.
>>> 
>>> I can reproduce your results. Weird thing: if I leave showName and showBorder on, and set the borderWidth to 4, and then turn on 3D I get a nice clean gray-ish border without any splits or lines.
>>> 
>>> Tested in LC 9.6.10 RC 1.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>> 
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From dsc at swcp.com  Tue Aug 22 12:57:20 2023
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2023 10:57:20 -0600
Subject: Behaviors
Message-ID: <E8D646E0-E712-47F1-9976-C86F2C5C7AA5@swcp.com>


I am misremembering things about Behaviors.

I have a card with my behavior buttons, but I can’t seem to point to buttons on that card. Maybe, I’m remembering what I did long ago with front scripts. 

I suppose I can use substacks, but I’m worried that the stacks would be in the message path. Is there a way to keep the stack out of the message path?

From alex at tweedly.net  Tue Aug 22 13:09:08 2023
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2023 18:09:08 +0100
Subject: Behaviors
In-Reply-To: <E8D646E0-E712-47F1-9976-C86F2C5C7AA5@swcp.com>
References: <E8D646E0-E712-47F1-9976-C86F2C5C7AA5@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <6a88a801-283f-4b5f-86b0-77e44f57d7da@tweedly.net>

Not sure how it works in the IDE - seems a problem because it only 
presents button in the current stack.

So I do it all in preOpen... scripts, doing something like

> set the behavior of fld "F" of grp tmpName to the long id of button 
> "RichTextFieldBehaviour" of \
>          card "Behaviours" of stack "/Users/alextweedly/Dropbox/My 
> Livecode/Libraries/richText.livecode"

Alex.

On 22/08/2023 17:57, Dar Scott via use-livecode wrote:
> I am misremembering things about Behaviors.
>
> I have a card with my behavior buttons, but I cant seem to point to buttons on that card. Maybe, Im remembering what I did long ago with front scripts.
>
> I suppose I can use substacks, but Im worried that the stacks would be in the message path. Is there a way to keep the stack out of the message path?
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From dsc at swcp.com  Tue Aug 22 13:12:06 2023
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2023 11:12:06 -0600
Subject: Group corners
In-Reply-To: <674F8AAF-5F4C-42C1-831C-C51B384C4D6A@swcp.com>
References: <AA715BFF-8EF9-45DA-B081-07BEC7D53CAE@swcp.com>
 <18a0ec3c2a8.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <247E8418-0CB7-4A79-9291-F251964E4212@swcp.com>
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 <52792949-7B0F-4F38-BDBC-A3AE7F8C641A@swcp.com>
 <1CFAF166-6813-4FBA-94E1-59C0CAD2FD2E@swcp.com>
 <3ee55d42-7222-ed9e-76fb-8a8119b2e7b5@hyperactivesw.com>
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Message-ID: <84FAB4BF-3B26-48CE-BBDD-854C224A9FF1@swcp.com>

Arg. There is a pixel missing in the upper left corner even when the border width is 1. — Dar

> On Aug 22, 2023, at 7:05 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Yeah, the order of things seem to make a difference. It is sometimes hard to do deltas. My lazy programming style is to rebuild GUI features based on the current state whenever there is a change, and then look closer if that gets slow. 
> 
>> On Aug 21, 2023, at 7:44 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Right, but the weird thing is that with a 4-pixel border and 3d, it isn't 3d. It's a plain gray border with the label appropriately placed. Three pixels works about the same.
>> 
>> --
>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>> On August 21, 2023 5:38:26 PM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Oh right! You can’t have 3D with a 1 pixel border, can you?? I missed that.
>>> 
>>> Bob S
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 21, 2023, at 3:07 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> On 8/21/23 11:50 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode wrote:
>>>>> For now, I’m using a temporary solution: I am setting the border width to 1. That might become a long-term workaround.
>>>> 
>>>> I can reproduce your results. Weird thing: if I leave showName and showBorder on, and set the borderWidth to 4, and then turn on 3D I get a nice clean gray-ish border without any splits or lines.
>>>> 
>>>> Tested in LC 9.6.10 RC 1.
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>>> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> use-livecode mailing list
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From dsc at swcp.com  Tue Aug 22 13:36:36 2023
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2023 11:36:36 -0600
Subject: Behaviors
In-Reply-To: <6a88a801-283f-4b5f-86b0-77e44f57d7da@tweedly.net>
References: <E8D646E0-E712-47F1-9976-C86F2C5C7AA5@swcp.com>
 <6a88a801-283f-4b5f-86b0-77e44f57d7da@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <77958622-E960-4C90-97CC-AE3FC21CF1D7@swcp.com>

I figured out how to do it in the IDE. I needed to include “of stack” in the reference. — Dar

> On Aug 22, 2023, at 11:09 AM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Not sure how it works in the IDE - seems a problem because it only presents button in the current stack.
> 
> So I do it all in preOpen... scripts, doing something like
> 
>> set the behavior of fld "F" of grp tmpName to the long id of button "RichTextFieldBehaviour" of \
>>          card "Behaviours" of stack "/Users/alextweedly/Dropbox/My Livecode/Libraries/richText.livecode"
> 
> Alex.
> 
> On 22/08/2023 17:57, Dar Scott via use-livecode wrote:
>> I am misremembering things about Behaviors.
>> 
>> I have a card with my behavior buttons, but I can’t seem to point to buttons on that card. Maybe, I’m remembering what I did long ago with front scripts.
>> 
>> I suppose I can use substacks, but I’m worried that the stacks would be in the message path. Is there a way to keep the stack out of the message path?
>> _______________________________________________
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From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Tue Aug 22 15:05:03 2023
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2023 15:05:03 -0400
Subject: Behaviors
In-Reply-To: <77958622-E960-4C90-97CC-AE3FC21CF1D7@swcp.com>
References: <E8D646E0-E712-47F1-9976-C86F2C5C7AA5@swcp.com>
 <6a88a801-283f-4b5f-86b0-77e44f57d7da@tweedly.net>
 <77958622-E960-4C90-97CC-AE3FC21CF1D7@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycOv-mbthFW+B+Y5SaniFu5CM6cjmyPwQNJxGPFA_DHsPA@mail.gmail.com>

you probably know this: in the property inspector, there's a panel for
behavior, so you can just select the behavior from a menu button,
without having to type it

On Tue, Aug 22, 2023 at 1:37 PM Dar Scott via use-livecode
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> I figured out how to do it in the IDE. I needed to include “of stack” in the reference. — Dar
>
> > On Aug 22, 2023, at 11:09 AM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Not sure how it works in the IDE - seems a problem because it only presents button in the current stack.
> >
> > So I do it all in preOpen... scripts, doing something like
> >
> >> set the behavior of fld "F" of grp tmpName to the long id of button "RichTextFieldBehaviour" of \
> >>          card "Behaviours" of stack "/Users/alextweedly/Dropbox/My Livecode/Libraries/richText.livecode"
> >
> > Alex.
> >
> > On 22/08/2023 17:57, Dar Scott via use-livecode wrote:
> >> I am misremembering things about Behaviors.
> >>
> >> I have a card with my behavior buttons, but I can’t seem to point to buttons on that card. Maybe, I’m remembering what I did long ago with front scripts.
> >>
> >> I suppose I can use substacks, but I’m worried that the stacks would be in the message path. Is there a way to keep the stack out of the message path?
> >> _______________________________________________
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Aug 22 16:08:58 2023
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2023 15:08:58 -0500
Subject: Group corners
In-Reply-To: <84FAB4BF-3B26-48CE-BBDD-854C224A9FF1@swcp.com>
References: <AA715BFF-8EF9-45DA-B081-07BEC7D53CAE@swcp.com>
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 <744C1C8D-F279-48AE-A73D-1935EE9BFD04@iotecdigital.com>
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 <84FAB4BF-3B26-48CE-BBDD-854C224A9FF1@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <d66be798-40c5-f806-8b9e-f4d1c65738c8@hyperactivesw.com>

It's probably about time to submit a bug report. The behavior we see isn't expected. 
<https://quality.livecode.com>


On 8/22/23 12:12 PM, Dar Scott via use-livecode wrote:
> Arg. There is a pixel missing in the upper left corner even when the border width is 1. — Dar
> 
>> On Aug 22, 2023, at 7:05 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> Yeah, the order of things seem to make a difference. It is sometimes hard to do deltas. My lazy programming style is to rebuild GUI features based on the current state whenever there is a change, and then look closer if that gets slow.
>>
>>> On Aug 21, 2023, at 7:44 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Right, but the weird thing is that with a 4-pixel border and 3d, it isn't 3d. It's a plain gray border with the label appropriately placed. Three pixels works about the same.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>> On August 21, 2023 5:38:26 PM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Oh right! You can’t have 3D with a 1 pixel border, can you?? I missed that.
>>>>
>>>> Bob S
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 21, 2023, at 3:07 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On 8/21/23 11:50 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode wrote:
>>>>>> For now, I’m using a temporary solution: I am setting the border width to 1. That might become a long-term workaround.
>>>>>
>>>>> I can reproduce your results. Weird thing: if I leave showName and showBorder on, and set the borderWidth to 4, and then turn on 3D I get a nice clean gray-ish border without any splits or lines.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tested in LC 9.6.10 RC 1.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From tom at makeshyft.com  Tue Aug 22 16:43:28 2023
From: tom at makeshyft.com (Tom Glod)
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2023 16:43:28 -0400
Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10 RC-1
In-Reply-To: <7e9e3b20bd90462d31408ac2f6c008ab@livecode.com>
References: <CA+JfEq9P4-3x7pJ+vEjN-HNRWjq+k9Y=4BU=Xy6FTSfRN0V6Aw@mail.gmail.com>
 <BYAPR12MB2709B0873413D082DC947D9DB91BA@BYAPR12MB2709.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
 <A53F7BEF-7605-4758-B515-F41DF73B4994@m-r-d.de>
 <CA+JfEq86799=-40xP3kx1uMeWXHye-OkgD3H8BDLb4LOCSbNOA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAPzQJLJoOA8sVo4jpGKdZcmWq5AewLvkURrXJj4TReRyBqr9vQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CADCoycPXUy1DVsOhCNFSwHDawvTPm05ECu-+nV0sHCRt9KYPgA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAPzQJLL2CHzgmMXLFE4YPLgA3P1jC1bpvKLcWN1KSa9u8oqehw@mail.gmail.com>
 <7e9e3b20bd90462d31408ac2f6c008ab@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <CAPzQJLJsCbzPsGPP_B+MNPcjjZeKGeFappEy3L8rxbz2eWgZAw@mail.gmail.com>

Interesting, when I tried to use them recently they didn't work.
Will test again, maybe it was my bad, thanks Mark.

On Sun, Aug 20, 2023 at 3:09 AM Mark Waddingham via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> On 2023-08-19 21:57, Tom Glod via use-livecode wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > Does this mean we have JSON support in SQLite?
> >
> > This is from the documentation.:
> >
> >  In other words, the JSON functions went from being opt-in with SQLite
> > version 3.37.2 and earlier to opt-out with SQLite version 3.38.0 and
> > later.
>
> The SQLite JSON support was included in dbsqlite in 9.0.3 -
> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21821
>
> Warmest Regards,
>
> Mark.
>
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From paul at researchware.com  Tue Aug 22 17:02:10 2023
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2023 17:02:10 -0400
Subject: Polygrid questions
Message-ID: <b9267b6f-455b-e0df-adc7-5c95a370ed84@researchware.com>

I see I have the properties of a polygrid for:

pgColumns -- an array of all column properties

and

pgColumnWidths -- a comma delimited list of widths

There does not seem to be a distinct property just for alignments, such 
as pgColumnAlignments

What I need to do is change the width and/or alignment of a specific 
column (that can change which column based on data). I can se no way of 
doing this other than repopulating the pgColumns array

If I try

set the pgColumnWidths of widget "rwTableview" to 
"300,75,75,75,75,75,75,75,75"

for example, that seems to have no effect.

If I try to just change one element of the column array, such as

put "300" into tArray[1]["width"]; set the pgColumns of widget 
"rwTableview" to tArray, it replaces all the other column information 
(names, etc.) with defaults (as I would expect)

Am I missing some syntax that will allow changing the name, label, 
width, alignment, or whatever property desired of a single column 
without touching any of the other column data already set?





From dsc at swcp.com  Wed Aug 23 20:00:23 2023
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2023 18:00:23 -0600
Subject: Behaviors
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycOv-mbthFW+B+Y5SaniFu5CM6cjmyPwQNJxGPFA_DHsPA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E8D646E0-E712-47F1-9976-C86F2C5C7AA5@swcp.com>
 <6a88a801-283f-4b5f-86b0-77e44f57d7da@tweedly.net>
 <77958622-E960-4C90-97CC-AE3FC21CF1D7@swcp.com>
 <CADCoycOv-mbthFW+B+Y5SaniFu5CM6cjmyPwQNJxGPFA_DHsPA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F4BCB523-D617-48CB-9E59-0EC6D2852B06@swcp.com>

I, too, have discovered the target icon to the right of the behavior object field in the property inspector. Alas, using that that I see only buttons on the current card (and stacks). I don’t see a way to navigate to a different card and select a button there. I might have missed it. — Dar

> On Aug 22, 2023, at 1:05 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> you probably know this: in the property inspector, there's a panel for
> behavior, so you can just select the behavior from a menu button,
> without having to type it
> 
> On Tue, Aug 22, 2023 at 1:37 PM Dar Scott via use-livecode
> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I figured out how to do it in the IDE. I needed to include “of stack” in the reference. — Dar
>> 
>>> On Aug 22, 2023, at 11:09 AM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Not sure how it works in the IDE - seems a problem because it only presents button in the current stack.
>>> 
>>> So I do it all in preOpen... scripts, doing something like
>>> 
>>>> set the behavior of fld "F" of grp tmpName to the long id of button "RichTextFieldBehaviour" of \
>>>>         card "Behaviours" of stack "/Users/alextweedly/Dropbox/My Livecode/Libraries/richText.livecode"
>>> 
>>> Alex.
>>> 
>>> On 22/08/2023 17:57, Dar Scott via use-livecode wrote:
>>>> I am misremembering things about Behaviors.
>>>> 
>>>> I have a card with my behavior buttons, but I can’t seem to point to buttons on that card. Maybe, I’m remembering what I did long ago with front scripts.
>>>> 
>>>> I suppose I can use substacks, but I’m worried that the stacks would be in the message path. Is there a way to keep the stack out of the message path?
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From iowahengst at mac.com  Thu Aug 24 09:28:49 2023
From: iowahengst at mac.com (Randy Hengst)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2023 08:28:49 -0500
Subject: OT - a new release of WinSignHelper for macOS
In-Reply-To: <189768fb5c8.276f.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <55243856-963F-4771-A49E-BA6BE3496E0E@m-r-d.de>
 <3f7dc1f4-fd3a-7e26-9c8d-ae6171c0380c@hyperactivesw.com>
 <94065A6E-BD87-4BA3-9AEA-FD98138A0A06@m-r-d.de>
 <18973e42d68.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <F3374936-761B-49FB-9F20-9EE226A1297F@m-r-d.de>
 <189768fb5c8.276f.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <5F4F3C53-8F3C-4386-85A4-B22AFFD13852@mac.com>

Hi All,

This all very interesting. I haven’t built for windows in about 10 years. So, I’ve never messed with signing certificates.

I’ve downloaded and played with Matthias’ CodeSigning Tool… seems very straight forward. But, I’m trying to build an app only for a friend to use for free and, so, I’m not too keen on buying a certificate for $100+ every year.

Is there a way for folks to open an app on windows that is not signed? …like you can do on a Mac after the scary alert…

take care,
randy

Randy Hengst
classroomfocusedsoftware.com



> On Jul 20, 2023, at 10:47 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Very useful info, thank you. Especially the part about using the token on different machines. I was duped into believing everything I read on the internet. :)
> 
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> On July 20, 2023 4:20:59 PM matthias rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>>> Am 20.07.2023 um 17:21 schrieb J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>> 
>>> Thanks Matthias. I've been reading about it and I think the cert is stored on the machine but it is tied to that computer and not exportable.
>> 
>> 
>>> If you get a new computer you need to buy a new certificate.
>> I don't think that is true. The new type of certificate has to be stored on a secure device. That's what the eToken is for. The private key is also stored on the eToken and the certificate and the private key cannot be exported. You should be able to use that token on multiple computers. You just have to install the eToken driver to an other computer and attach the eToken to it.
>> 
>> This is what Trustzone is saying about it:
>> "The token-based type of Standard Code Signing certificates can also be used on multiple computers. The same goes for token-based EV certificates. But no token-based certificate can ever be used simultaneously on two computers since the SafeNet token can only be plugged into one computer at a time."
>> 
>> As i never had such eToken, i do not know, if the certificate and the private key can be accessed as files through Finder. And what extension do they have. I've read the osslsigncode can use also certificates and key files with .cem extension.
>> So if the eToken contains such files, WinSignHelper could be slightly adjusted to work with the eToken. But that's just an assumption.
>> 
>> Matthias
>> 
>> 
>>> So I don't think I'll experiment, and we'll just do the whole thing on the Windows box.
>>> 
>>> The sad part is that if we'd renewed just a couple of weeks earlier we'd have been within the cutoff date and could have purchased the old type of certificate.
>>> 
>> Same here. I was about 5 days to late otherwise i could have ordered the olde type.
>> 
>> 
>>> If anyone else has used the new token hardware I'd be grateful for any tips or suggestions. This is all new to me.
>> 
>> I am using a cloud based OV certificate from Certum. I just need to install the Software SimplySign Desktop. The software "integrates" the certificate into Windows' certificate storage (or what ever this is called) after i logged in using that SimplySign Desktop software.
>> Microsoft's signtool can then directly access the certificate.
>> 
>> 
>>> --
>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>> On July 19, 2023 4:20:23 PM matthias rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> To be honest, i do not know.
>>>> I am currently using a cloud code signing certificate which i can only use on Windows.
>>>> I've chosen the cloud version because of the price, but later i noticed that it seems that those cloud certificates cannot be used on macOS.
>>>> Or maybe they can, but i do not know how, especially with ossl signcode
>>>> WinSignHelper uses ossl signcode and currently that tool needs a path to a certificate
>>>> 
>>>> Do you know where the certificate is stored with the eToken solution? Is it stored also on the eToken or anywhere else on the Mac?
>>>> If you have the certificate as a physical file it maybe could be possible to select that file in the WinSignHelper prefs.
>>>> 
>>>> But as  i alread wrote, i really don't know exactly.
>>>> 
>>>> I am currently thinking of purchasing a 2nd certificate as eToken solution, but there is not yet a decision made, if i should spent money for this, as i have a working cloud certificate which expires in 3 years.
>>>> 
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Matthias
>>>> 
>>>>> Am 19.07.2023 um 22:53 schrieb J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>>>> 
>>>>> @Matthias: does the upgraded WinSignHelper work with the new hardware eTokens? Those are required now.
>>>>> 
>>>>> If so, do the instructions change on how to use your tool?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 12/23/22 10:44 AM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode wrote:
>>>>>> i've upgraded my free tool WinSignHelper.
>>>>>> For those who do not know what WinSignHelper is...
>>>>>> It's a GUI for osslsigncode. Osslsigncode is command line tool that can do the Authenticode signing and timestamping. With it you can code sign Windows applications  using an appropriate code signing certificate.
>>>>>> You just drag a folder with your Windows application into WinSignHelper and it signs all components of your standalone (.exe and .dll).
>>>>>> WinSignHelper Help section gives enough information about how to install osslsigncode.
>>>>>> So if anyone is interested in testing....
>>>>>> The version is  notarized and is an universal build for X86 and Arm
>>>>>> Zip
>>>>>> https://dl.qck.nu/?dl=WinSignHelper_universal.zip
>>>>>> DMG
>>>>>> https://dl.qck.nu/?dl=WinSignHelper_universal.dmg
>>>>>> Hope this is of help for one or the other.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>>>> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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From klaus at major-k.de  Thu Aug 24 09:42:59 2023
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2023 15:42:59 +0200
Subject: OT - a new release of WinSignHelper for macOS
In-Reply-To: <5F4F3C53-8F3C-4386-85A4-B22AFFD13852@mac.com>
References: <55243856-963F-4771-A49E-BA6BE3496E0E@m-r-d.de>
 <3f7dc1f4-fd3a-7e26-9c8d-ae6171c0380c@hyperactivesw.com>
 <94065A6E-BD87-4BA3-9AEA-FD98138A0A06@m-r-d.de>
 <18973e42d68.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <F3374936-761B-49FB-9F20-9EE226A1297F@m-r-d.de>
 <189768fb5c8.276f.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <5F4F3C53-8F3C-4386-85A4-B22AFFD13852@mac.com>
Message-ID: <FAA0EC66-A252-46C4-8EB3-E4A780E74F86@major-k.de>

Hi Randy,

> Am 24.08.2023 um 15:28 schrieb Randy Hengst via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> This all very interesting. I haven’t built for windows in about 10 years. So, I’ve never messed with signing certificates.
> I’ve downloaded and played with Matthias’ CodeSigning Tool… seems very straight forward. But, I’m trying to build an app only for a friend to use for free and, so, I’m not too keen on buying a certificate for $100+ every year.
> Is there a way for folks to open an app on windows that is not signed? …like you can do on a Mac after the scary alert…

I once set up a help page for exactly this issue:
<https://www.major-k.de/install.html>

Scroll down for the Windows stuff...
Hope that helps!

> take care,
> randy

Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
https://www.major-k.de
https://www.major-k.de/bass
klaus at major-k.de



From iowahengst at mac.com  Thu Aug 24 09:49:04 2023
From: iowahengst at mac.com (Randy Hengst)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2023 08:49:04 -0500
Subject: OT - a new release of WinSignHelper for macOS
In-Reply-To: <FAA0EC66-A252-46C4-8EB3-E4A780E74F86@major-k.de>
References: <55243856-963F-4771-A49E-BA6BE3496E0E@m-r-d.de>
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 <94065A6E-BD87-4BA3-9AEA-FD98138A0A06@m-r-d.de>
 <18973e42d68.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <F3374936-761B-49FB-9F20-9EE226A1297F@m-r-d.de>
 <189768fb5c8.276f.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <5F4F3C53-8F3C-4386-85A4-B22AFFD13852@mac.com>
 <FAA0EC66-A252-46C4-8EB3-E4A780E74F86@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <2439D939-F60B-4AE2-A4EE-76B1D05B2202@mac.com>

Excellent! Thank you, Klaus.

Does the current version of windows look the same as your screen shots?

take care,
randy

Randy Hengst
classroomFocusedSoftware.com



> On Aug 24, 2023, at 8:42 AM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Randy,
> 
>> Am 24.08.2023 um 15:28 schrieb Randy Hengst via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> This all very interesting. I haven’t built for windows in about 10 years. So, I’ve never messed with signing certificates.
>> I’ve downloaded and played with Matthias’ CodeSigning Tool… seems very straight forward. But, I’m trying to build an app only for a friend to use for free and, so, I’m not too keen on buying a certificate for $100+ every year.
>> Is there a way for folks to open an app on windows that is not signed? …like you can do on a Mac after the scary alert…
> 
> I once set up a help page for exactly this issue:
> <https://www.major-k.de/install.html>
> 
> Scroll down for the Windows stuff...
> Hope that helps!
> 
>> take care,
>> randy
> 
> Best
> 
> Klaus
> 
> --
> Klaus Major
> https://www.major-k.de
> https://www.major-k.de/bass
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> 
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From klaus at major-k.de  Thu Aug 24 09:52:05 2023
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2023 15:52:05 +0200
Subject: OT - a new release of WinSignHelper for macOS
In-Reply-To: <2439D939-F60B-4AE2-A4EE-76B1D05B2202@mac.com>
References: <55243856-963F-4771-A49E-BA6BE3496E0E@m-r-d.de>
 <3f7dc1f4-fd3a-7e26-9c8d-ae6171c0380c@hyperactivesw.com>
 <94065A6E-BD87-4BA3-9AEA-FD98138A0A06@m-r-d.de>
 <18973e42d68.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <F3374936-761B-49FB-9F20-9EE226A1297F@m-r-d.de>
 <189768fb5c8.276f.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <5F4F3C53-8F3C-4386-85A4-B22AFFD13852@mac.com>
 <FAA0EC66-A252-46C4-8EB3-E4A780E74F86@major-k.de>
 <2439D939-F60B-4AE2-A4EE-76B1D05B2202@mac.com>
Message-ID: <F400F69C-41EE-4419-87B8-618556777C74@major-k.de>

Hi Randy,

> Am 24.08.2023 um 15:49 schrieb Randy Hengst via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Excellent! Thank you, Klaus.

my pleasure!

> Does the current version of windows look the same as your screen shots?

Sorry, no idea, my last Win version is 10, as shown in the pics.

> take care,
> randy
> 
> Randy Hengst
> classroomFocusedSoftware.com
>> 
>>> Hi All,
>>> This all very interesting. I haven’t built for windows in about 10 years. So, I’ve never messed with signing certificates.
>>> I’ve downloaded and played with Matthias’ CodeSigning Tool… seems very straight forward. But, I’m trying to build an app only for a friend to use for free and, so, I’m not too keen on buying a certificate for $100+ every year.
>>> Is there a way for folks to open an app on windows that is not signed? …like you can do on a Mac after the scary alert…
>> I once set up a help page for exactly this issue:
>> <https://www.major-k.de/install.html>
>> Scroll down for the Windows stuff...
>> Hope that helps!

Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
https://www.major-k.de
https://www.major-k.de/bass
klaus at major-k.de



From derek-lc-list at speedbump.io  Thu Aug 24 10:26:50 2023
From: derek-lc-list at speedbump.io (Derek Bump)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2023 14:26:50 +0000
Subject: Linux and the search for a controllable Web Browser
Message-ID: <LwqgtJeroXEIj01qPZNSkHNFkANsViM18L4mKh9-3JRdVdig6gPIdcBSVw8SWM8GulgfACvqbIrmxbyezlUC3TWMwyC5SIH4AwAOxuzTggg=@speedbump.io>

Good Day,

I've been wrestling with the Browser widget on Linux long enough now that I've largely given up on using it for anything destined for a production environment. However, that has not reduced my need for a browser which I can control in my specific use-case: open a streaming video url, make it full screen, autoplay, wait for navigational input from the user (arrow keys, DEL key, etc), and close when requested.

I did attempt to build a controllable browser using Neutralinojs, which showed potential. With it's configuration options, having a borderless, floating browser window appear at exact coordinates is very do-able. Unfortunately for me, the cross-origin nature of using an iframe is preventing JavaScript from forcing playback without a physical "click" from the user. Setting the URL of the Neutralinojs "browser" directly (not using iframe) resolves the cross-origin restriction, but it still required click for playback. Plus, setting the URL directly wipes out any JavaScript written, so inter-process communications disappears immediately. So that solution isn't viable.

I'm thinking of attempting the same concept using Electron, but I'm betting 100% the experience will be the same. Many in the past have abused the Autoplay feature, so its largely locked down in commercial browsers at this point. I'm pretty sure I'd have to compile a custom browser from source, which I have never done before. Nor am I interested in going down that rabbit hole (yet).

So I wanted to reach out to see if anyone has stumbled upon a solution for showing web pages on Linux in such a way that you can still maintain control over the browser through LiveCode?

With regards to my use-case, I've (temporarily) opted to launch Firefox using "open process" (non blocking) in Kiosk mode. This is nearly producing what I need, except regaining control involves terminating Firefox when my user presses a "Universal Home" button on their remote control. Not ideal, but it works.

What's frustrating is that there's a Browser Widget sitting in my toolbar which seems to work well on Windows and Mac. However, even if the widget was compatible (or I found a modern distro where it works), it still wouldn't solve my problem: LC's browser implementation has some of it's multimedia framework support turned off, so HLS is out the window. This would need to be added in by LiveCode Ltd., most likely.

Am I stuck?

I appreciate the help and look forward to feedback.

Thank you,
Derek Bump


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Aug 24 11:20:55 2023
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2023 15:20:55 +0000
Subject: OT - a new release of WinSignHelper for macOS
In-Reply-To: <5F4F3C53-8F3C-4386-85A4-B22AFFD13852@mac.com>
References: <55243856-963F-4771-A49E-BA6BE3496E0E@m-r-d.de>
 <3f7dc1f4-fd3a-7e26-9c8d-ae6171c0380c@hyperactivesw.com>
 <94065A6E-BD87-4BA3-9AEA-FD98138A0A06@m-r-d.de>
 <18973e42d68.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <F3374936-761B-49FB-9F20-9EE226A1297F@m-r-d.de>
 <189768fb5c8.276f.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <5F4F3C53-8F3C-4386-85A4-B22AFFD13852@mac.com>
Message-ID: <02940F0A-2EC5-45C3-92FF-55EB471E3AE6@iotecdigital.com>

I build for Windows and do not need a certificate. I’ve run my app on Windows 10 and server 2019 without an issue.

Bob S


On Aug 24, 2023, at 6:28 AM, Randy Hengst via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

Hi All,

This all very interesting. I haven’t built for windows in about 10 years. So, I’ve never messed with signing certificates.

I’ve downloaded and played with Matthias’ CodeSigning Tool… seems very straight forward. But, I’m trying to build an app only for a friend to use for free and, so, I’m not too keen on buying a certificate for $100+ every year.

Is there a way for folks to open an app on windows that is not signed? …like you can do on a Mac after the scary alert…

take care,
randy

Randy Hengst
classroomfocusedsoftware.com<http://classroomfocusedsoftware.com/>


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Aug 24 11:24:58 2023
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2023 15:24:58 +0000
Subject: OT - a new release of WinSignHelper for macOS
In-Reply-To: <02940F0A-2EC5-45C3-92FF-55EB471E3AE6@iotecdigital.com>
References: <55243856-963F-4771-A49E-BA6BE3496E0E@m-r-d.de>
 <3f7dc1f4-fd3a-7e26-9c8d-ae6171c0380c@hyperactivesw.com>
 <94065A6E-BD87-4BA3-9AEA-FD98138A0A06@m-r-d.de>
 <18973e42d68.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <F3374936-761B-49FB-9F20-9EE226A1297F@m-r-d.de>
 <189768fb5c8.276f.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <5F4F3C53-8F3C-4386-85A4-B22AFFD13852@mac.com>
 <02940F0A-2EC5-45C3-92FF-55EB471E3AE6@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <07F4836E-C325-4310-B319-9A1721840C06@iotecdigital.com>

Oh right, I think I DID have to confirm that I want to run the app on both Windows and Mac. I suppose that would be an issue if I was distributing commercially.

Bob S


On Aug 24, 2023, at 8:20 AM, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com> wrote:

I build for Windows and do not need a certificate. I’ve run my app on Windows 10 and server 2019 without an issue.

Bob S


On Aug 24, 2023, at 6:28 AM, Randy Hengst via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

Hi All,

This all very interesting. I haven’t built for windows in about 10 years. So, I’ve never messed with signing certificates.

I’ve downloaded and played with Matthias’ CodeSigning Tool… seems very straight forward. But, I’m trying to build an app only for a friend to use for free and, so, I’m not too keen on buying a certificate for $100+ every year.

Is there a way for folks to open an app on windows that is not signed? …like you can do on a Mac after the scary alert…

take care,
randy

Randy Hengst
classroomfocusedsoftware.com<http://classroomfocusedsoftware.com/>



From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Aug 24 11:34:02 2023
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2023 15:34:02 +0000
Subject: Behaviors
In-Reply-To: <F4BCB523-D617-48CB-9E59-0EC6D2852B06@swcp.com>
References: <E8D646E0-E712-47F1-9976-C86F2C5C7AA5@swcp.com>
 <6a88a801-283f-4b5f-86b0-77e44f57d7da@tweedly.net>
 <77958622-E960-4C90-97CC-AE3FC21CF1D7@swcp.com>
 <CADCoycOv-mbthFW+B+Y5SaniFu5CM6cjmyPwQNJxGPFA_DHsPA@mail.gmail.com>
 <F4BCB523-D617-48CB-9E59-0EC6D2852B06@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <2AA4D973-C0B6-4E7E-B169-DC724C89C35E@iotecdigital.com>

There is also the Advanced button in the property inspector (looks like one large gear with two smaller ones) where you can type the behavior, and also has the target icon. Also, you shouldn’t have to do that every time. Once should be enough if you save the stack afterwards. 

I note that Datagrids have no way to set the behavior, since they depend on their default behavior. It was discussed long ago when nested behaviors became a thing, that there ought to be a way to edit a list of behaviors of an object. In fact it shouldn’t be that difficult to make a Behavior Browser widget of some sort. Hmmm...

Bob S


> On Aug 23, 2023, at 5:00 PM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I, too, have discovered the target icon to the right of the behavior object field in the property inspector. Alas, using that that I see only buttons on the current card (and stacks). I don’t see a way to navigate to a different card and select a button there. I might have missed it. — Dar
> 
>> On Aug 22, 2023, at 1:05 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> you probably know this: in the property inspector, there's a panel for
>> behavior, so you can just select the behavior from a menu button,
>> without having to type it
>> 
>> On Tue, Aug 22, 2023 at 1:37 PM Dar Scott via use-livecode
>> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I figured out how to do it in the IDE. I needed to include “of stack” in the reference. — Dar
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 22, 2023, at 11:09 AM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Not sure how it works in the IDE - seems a problem because it only presents button in the current stack.
>>>> 
>>>> So I do it all in preOpen... scripts, doing something like
>>>> 
>>>>> set the behavior of fld "F" of grp tmpName to the long id of button "RichTextFieldBehaviour" of \
>>>>>        card "Behaviours" of stack "/Users/alextweedly/Dropbox/My Livecode/Libraries/richText.livecode"
>>>> 
>>>> Alex.
>>>> 
>>>> On 22/08/2023 17:57, Dar Scott via use-livecode wrote:
>>>>> I am misremembering things about Behaviors.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have a card with my behavior buttons, but I can’t seem to point to buttons on that card. Maybe, I’m remembering what I did long ago with front scripts.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I suppose I can use substacks, but I’m worried that the stacks would be in the message path. Is there a way to keep the stack out of the message path?
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From prothero at earthlearningsolutions.org  Thu Aug 24 11:41:07 2023
From: prothero at earthlearningsolutions.org (William Prothero)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2023 08:41:07 -0700
Subject: OT - a new release of WinSignHelper for macOS
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I have an ios app that I built for myself only. I was able to load the app on my iphone for debugging. It works fine, for me, in normal use. You may be able to do the same with your friend's device. It saves a lot of the trouble with certificates, etc. you might search the forum on "sideloading".

Good luck.
Bill

William A. Prothero, PhD
Prof Emeritus, Dept of Earth Science
University of California, Santa Barbara

> On Aug 24, 2023, at 6:30 AM, Randy Hengst via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> This all very interesting. I haven’t built for windows in about 10 years. So, I’ve never messed with signing certificates.
> 
> I’ve downloaded and played with Matthias’ CodeSigning Tool… seems very straight forward. But, I’m trying to build an app only for a friend to use for free and, so, I’m not too keen on buying a certificate for $100+ every year.
> 
> Is there a way for folks to open an app on windows that is not signed? …like you can do on a Mac after the scary alert…
> 
> take care,
> randy
> 
> Randy Hengst
> classroomfocusedsoftware.com
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jul 20, 2023, at 10:47 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Very useful info, thank you. Especially the part about using the token on different machines. I was duped into believing everything I read on the internet. :)
>> 
>> --
>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>> On July 20, 2023 4:20:59 PM matthias rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>>>>> Am 20.07.2023 um 17:21 schrieb J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks Matthias. I've been reading about it and I think the cert is stored on the machine but it is tied to that computer and not exportable.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> If you get a new computer you need to buy a new certificate.
>>> I don't think that is true. The new type of certificate has to be stored on a secure device. That's what the eToken is for. The private key is also stored on the eToken and the certificate and the private key cannot be exported. You should be able to use that token on multiple computers. You just have to install the eToken driver to an other computer and attach the eToken to it.
>>> 
>>> This is what Trustzone is saying about it:
>>> "The token-based type of Standard Code Signing certificates can also be used on multiple computers. The same goes for token-based EV certificates. But no token-based certificate can ever be used simultaneously on two computers since the SafeNet token can only be plugged into one computer at a time."
>>> 
>>> As i never had such eToken, i do not know, if the certificate and the private key can be accessed as files through Finder. And what extension do they have. I've read the osslsigncode can use also certificates and key files with .cem extension.
>>> So if the eToken contains such files, WinSignHelper could be slightly adjusted to work with the eToken. But that's just an assumption.
>>> 
>>> Matthias
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> So I don't think I'll experiment, and we'll just do the whole thing on the Windows box.
>>>> 
>>>> The sad part is that if we'd renewed just a couple of weeks earlier we'd have been within the cutoff date and could have purchased the old type of certificate.
>>>> 
>>> Same here. I was about 5 days to late otherwise i could have ordered the olde type.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> If anyone else has used the new token hardware I'd be grateful for any tips or suggestions. This is all new to me.
>>> 
>>> I am using a cloud based OV certificate from Certum. I just need to install the Software SimplySign Desktop. The software "integrates" the certificate into Windows' certificate storage (or what ever this is called) after i logged in using that SimplySign Desktop software.
>>> Microsoft's signtool can then directly access the certificate.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>>> On July 19, 2023 4:20:23 PM matthias rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> To be honest, i do not know.
>>>>> I am currently using a cloud code signing certificate which i can only use on Windows.
>>>>> I've chosen the cloud version because of the price, but later i noticed that it seems that those cloud certificates cannot be used on macOS.
>>>>> Or maybe they can, but i do not know how, especially with ossl signcode
>>>>> WinSignHelper uses ossl signcode and currently that tool needs a path to a certificate
>>>>> 
>>>>> Do you know where the certificate is stored with the eToken solution? Is it stored also on the eToken or anywhere else on the Mac?
>>>>> If you have the certificate as a physical file it maybe could be possible to select that file in the WinSignHelper prefs.
>>>>> 
>>>>> But as  i alread wrote, i really don't know exactly.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am currently thinking of purchasing a 2nd certificate as eToken solution, but there is not yet a decision made, if i should spent money for this, as i have a working cloud certificate which expires in 3 years.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Matthias
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Am 19.07.2023 um 22:53 schrieb J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> @Matthias: does the upgraded WinSignHelper work with the new hardware eTokens? Those are required now.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> If so, do the instructions change on how to use your tool?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 12/23/22 10:44 AM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode wrote:
>>>>>>> i've upgraded my free tool WinSignHelper.
>>>>>>> For those who do not know what WinSignHelper is...
>>>>>>> It's a GUI for osslsigncode. Osslsigncode is command line tool that can do the Authenticode signing and timestamping. With it you can code sign Windows applications  using an appropriate code signing certificate.
>>>>>>> You just drag a folder with your Windows application into WinSignHelper and it signs all components of your standalone (.exe and .dll).
>>>>>>> WinSignHelper Help section gives enough information about how to install osslsigncode.
>>>>>>> So if anyone is interested in testing....
>>>>>>> The version is  notarized and is an universal build for X86 and Arm
>>>>>>> Zip
>>>>>>> https://dl.qck.nu/?dl=WinSignHelper_universal.zip
>>>>>>> DMG
>>>>>>> https://dl.qck.nu/?dl=WinSignHelper_universal.dmg
>>>>>>> Hope this is of help for one or the other.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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From iowahengst at mac.com  Thu Aug 24 12:12:59 2023
From: iowahengst at mac.com (Randy Hengst)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2023 11:12:59 -0500
Subject: OT - a new release of WinSignHelper for macOS
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References: <5F4F3C53-8F3C-4386-85A4-B22AFFD13852@mac.com>
 <E0422602-1597-4761-A492-03D4419D71A0@earthlearningsolutions.org>
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I built for windows using 9.6.9… just heard from my friend that he could open the app.

Thanks all for the ideas and information.

take care,
randy

Randy Hengst
classroomfocusedsoftware.com



> On Aug 24, 2023, at 10:41 AM, William Prothero via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I have an ios app that I built for myself only. I was able to load the app on my iphone for debugging. It works fine, for me, in normal use. You may be able to do the same with your friend's device. It saves a lot of the trouble with certificates, etc. you might search the forum on "sideloading".
> 
> Good luck.
> Bill
> 
> William A. Prothero, PhD
> Prof Emeritus, Dept of Earth Science
> University of California, Santa Barbara
> 
>> On Aug 24, 2023, at 6:30 AM, Randy Hengst via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> This all very interesting. I haven’t built for windows in about 10 years. So, I’ve never messed with signing certificates.
>> 
>> I’ve downloaded and played with Matthias’ CodeSigning Tool… seems very straight forward. But, I’m trying to build an app only for a friend to use for free and, so, I’m not too keen on buying a certificate for $100+ every year.
>> 
>> Is there a way for folks to open an app on windows that is not signed? …like you can do on a Mac after the scary alert…
>> 
>> take care,
>> randy
>> 
>> Randy Hengst
>> classroomfocusedsoftware.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 20, 2023, at 10:47 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Very useful info, thank you. Especially the part about using the token on different machines. I was duped into believing everything I read on the internet. :)
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>> On July 20, 2023 4:20:59 PM matthias rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>>>> Am 20.07.2023 um 17:21 schrieb J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks Matthias. I've been reading about it and I think the cert is stored on the machine but it is tied to that computer and not exportable.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> If you get a new computer you need to buy a new certificate.
>>>> I don't think that is true. The new type of certificate has to be stored on a secure device. That's what the eToken is for. The private key is also stored on the eToken and the certificate and the private key cannot be exported. You should be able to use that token on multiple computers. You just have to install the eToken driver to an other computer and attach the eToken to it.
>>>> 
>>>> This is what Trustzone is saying about it:
>>>> "The token-based type of Standard Code Signing certificates can also be used on multiple computers. The same goes for token-based EV certificates. But no token-based certificate can ever be used simultaneously on two computers since the SafeNet token can only be plugged into one computer at a time."
>>>> 
>>>> As i never had such eToken, i do not know, if the certificate and the private key can be accessed as files through Finder. And what extension do they have. I've read the osslsigncode can use also certificates and key files with .cem extension.
>>>> So if the eToken contains such files, WinSignHelper could be slightly adjusted to work with the eToken. But that's just an assumption.
>>>> 
>>>> Matthias
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> So I don't think I'll experiment, and we'll just do the whole thing on the Windows box.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The sad part is that if we'd renewed just a couple of weeks earlier we'd have been within the cutoff date and could have purchased the old type of certificate.
>>>>> 
>>>> Same here. I was about 5 days to late otherwise i could have ordered the olde type.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> If anyone else has used the new token hardware I'd be grateful for any tips or suggestions. This is all new to me.
>>>> 
>>>> I am using a cloud based OV certificate from Certum. I just need to install the Software SimplySign Desktop. The software "integrates" the certificate into Windows' certificate storage (or what ever this is called) after i logged in using that SimplySign Desktop software.
>>>> Microsoft's signtool can then directly access the certificate.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>>>> On July 19, 2023 4:20:23 PM matthias rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> To be honest, i do not know.
>>>>>> I am currently using a cloud code signing certificate which i can only use on Windows.
>>>>>> I've chosen the cloud version because of the price, but later i noticed that it seems that those cloud certificates cannot be used on macOS.
>>>>>> Or maybe they can, but i do not know how, especially with ossl signcode
>>>>>> WinSignHelper uses ossl signcode and currently that tool needs a path to a certificate
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Do you know where the certificate is stored with the eToken solution? Is it stored also on the eToken or anywhere else on the Mac?
>>>>>> If you have the certificate as a physical file it maybe could be possible to select that file in the WinSignHelper prefs.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> But as  i alread wrote, i really don't know exactly.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I am currently thinking of purchasing a 2nd certificate as eToken solution, but there is not yet a decision made, if i should spent money for this, as i have a working cloud certificate which expires in 3 years.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Matthias
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Am 19.07.2023 um 22:53 schrieb J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> @Matthias: does the upgraded WinSignHelper work with the new hardware eTokens? Those are required now.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> If so, do the instructions change on how to use your tool?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 12/23/22 10:44 AM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode wrote:
>>>>>>>> i've upgraded my free tool WinSignHelper.
>>>>>>>> For those who do not know what WinSignHelper is...
>>>>>>>> It's a GUI for osslsigncode. Osslsigncode is command line tool that can do the Authenticode signing and timestamping. With it you can code sign Windows applications  using an appropriate code signing certificate.
>>>>>>>> You just drag a folder with your Windows application into WinSignHelper and it signs all components of your standalone (.exe and .dll).
>>>>>>>> WinSignHelper Help section gives enough information about how to install osslsigncode.
>>>>>>>> So if anyone is interested in testing....
>>>>>>>> The version is  notarized and is an universal build for X86 and Arm
>>>>>>>> Zip
>>>>>>>> https://dl.qck.nu/?dl=WinSignHelper_universal.zip
>>>>>>>> DMG
>>>>>>>> https://dl.qck.nu/?dl=WinSignHelper_universal.dmg
>>>>>>>> Hope this is of help for one or the other.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>>> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>> 
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>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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From bleiler at buffalo.edu  Thu Aug 24 13:02:32 2023
From: bleiler at buffalo.edu (Timothy Bleiler)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2023 17:02:32 +0000
Subject: OT - Mac Notarization Problem - Desperation setting in
Message-ID: <65E7119E-1DA1-43DC-B667-F90F7F249CFD@buffalo.edu>

Hi all,

I believe the problem I’m having is either on Apple’s end or something with my local configuration but Apple has not been very helpful and I’m running out of ideas, so I’m turning to the wealth of experience on this list in desperation.

I’ve been using the lessons from  Matthias Rebbe and V4 of his handy mrSignNotarizeHelper stack.
Code signing seems to work fine but when I get to the Notarization step I always get an
"Error: HTTP status code: 401. Invalid credentials. Username or password is incorrect.

I’m on an M1 Mac with OS 13.4.1, Xcode 14.3.1 is installed, Livecode 9.6.9.

So far, this is what I’ve tried with the same result

1) Verified developer account in good status with Apple
2) Multiple checks of my credentials (Apple ID, team ID, app-specific password) on Apple's developer and ID sites,
3) Multiple checks of my credentials in the parameters I’m using
4) Setting up a new app specific password on my account
5) Trying with a different Livecode application
6 Trying everything manually in Terminal. (What is apparent is any subcommands of NotaryTool (e.g. submit, store-credentials) using my credentials fail with the same error.

7) Repeat everything on a brand new user account on my Mac
8) Sought help through devprograms at apple.com<mailto:devprograms at apple.com>


I’ve done codesigning and notarization many times before with the same developer account with no issues.
What’s new here for me is using NotaryTool and the app-specific password.

I realize this is a long shot but I’m stuck, so it would be great if anyone has any suggestions for solving this problem (even some detail I may have missed in the steps I’ve already taken)

Thanks,

Tim Bleiler, Ph.D.
Instructional Designer, HSIT
University at Buffalo


From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Thu Aug 24 13:15:57 2023
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2023 13:15:57 -0400
Subject: Behaviors
In-Reply-To: <2AA4D973-C0B6-4E7E-B169-DC724C89C35E@iotecdigital.com>
References: <E8D646E0-E712-47F1-9976-C86F2C5C7AA5@swcp.com>
 <6a88a801-283f-4b5f-86b0-77e44f57d7da@tweedly.net>
 <77958622-E960-4C90-97CC-AE3FC21CF1D7@swcp.com>
 <CADCoycOv-mbthFW+B+Y5SaniFu5CM6cjmyPwQNJxGPFA_DHsPA@mail.gmail.com>
 <F4BCB523-D617-48CB-9E59-0EC6D2852B06@swcp.com>
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i'm pretty sure you can set a dg's behavior. then you would set the
behavior of that behavior to the button behavior (button id 1005 of
stack "revDataGridLibrary"), OR you can include THAT script,
separately, set that as the behavior, and modify it
(but, what you should really do is remove your dg's and replace them
with pg's, imho. they're much faster and more flexible and powerful).
the project browser has a button for each behavior in the chain of an
object. i'm pretty sure that levure baker's assistant does, too.

On Thu, Aug 24, 2023 at 11:35 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> There is also the Advanced button in the property inspector (looks like one large gear with two smaller ones) where you can type the behavior, and also has the target icon. Also, you shouldn’t have to do that every time. Once should be enough if you save the stack afterwards.
>
> I note that Datagrids have no way to set the behavior, since they depend on their default behavior. It was discussed long ago when nested behaviors became a thing, that there ought to be a way to edit a list of behaviors of an object. In fact it shouldn’t be that difficult to make a Behavior Browser widget of some sort. Hmmm...
>
> Bob S
>
>
> > On Aug 23, 2023, at 5:00 PM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > I, too, have discovered the target icon to the right of the behavior object field in the property inspector. Alas, using that that I see only buttons on the current card (and stacks). I don’t see a way to navigate to a different card and select a button there. I might have missed it. — Dar
> >
> >> On Aug 22, 2023, at 1:05 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> you probably know this: in the property inspector, there's a panel for
> >> behavior, so you can just select the behavior from a menu button,
> >> without having to type it
> >>
> >> On Tue, Aug 22, 2023 at 1:37 PM Dar Scott via use-livecode
> >> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I figured out how to do it in the IDE. I needed to include “of stack” in the reference. — Dar
> >>>
> >>>> On Aug 22, 2023, at 11:09 AM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Not sure how it works in the IDE - seems a problem because it only presents button in the current stack.
> >>>>
> >>>> So I do it all in preOpen... scripts, doing something like
> >>>>
> >>>>> set the behavior of fld "F" of grp tmpName to the long id of button "RichTextFieldBehaviour" of \
> >>>>>        card "Behaviours" of stack "/Users/alextweedly/Dropbox/My Livecode/Libraries/richText.livecode"
> >>>>
> >>>> Alex.
> >>>>
> >>>> On 22/08/2023 17:57, Dar Scott via use-livecode wrote:
> >>>>> I am misremembering things about Behaviors.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I have a card with my behavior buttons, but I can’t seem to point to buttons on that card. Maybe, I’m remembering what I did long ago with front scripts.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I suppose I can use substacks, but I’m worried that the stacks would be in the message path. Is there a way to keep the stack out of the message path?
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> >> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> >> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
> >>  and did a little diving.
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> >>
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On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Aug 24 14:11:44 2023
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2023 18:11:44 +0000
Subject: Behaviors
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycNXS+2P5cbdwc5-ZX6o9Q_Z8qYVZEaKjtqcZ3W8zn6EJg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E8D646E0-E712-47F1-9976-C86F2C5C7AA5@swcp.com>
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 <CADCoycOv-mbthFW+B+Y5SaniFu5CM6cjmyPwQNJxGPFA_DHsPA@mail.gmail.com>
 <F4BCB523-D617-48CB-9E59-0EC6D2852B06@swcp.com>
 <2AA4D973-C0B6-4E7E-B169-DC724C89C35E@iotecdigital.com>
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Message-ID: <EB25B2E1-646F-41C6-B8FC-323769F6B403@iotecdigital.com>

Ah thanks for that. Yes, I knew how to nest behaviors for datagrids, but I never use the Project Browser because of issues I had many years ago. I may have another look. 

What is a “pg”? I make extensive use of Datagrid properties, and whatever I might replace them with needs to provide ALL their functionality. 

Bob S


> On Aug 24, 2023, at 10:15 AM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> i'm pretty sure you can set a dg's behavior. then you would set the
> behavior of that behavior to the button behavior (button id 1005 of
> stack "revDataGridLibrary"), OR you can include THAT script,
> separately, set that as the behavior, and modify it
> (but, what you should really do is remove your dg's and replace them
> with pg's, imho. they're much faster and more flexible and powerful).
> the project browser has a button for each behavior in the chain of an
> object. i'm pretty sure that levure baker's assistant does, too.
> 
> On Thu, Aug 24, 2023 at 11:35 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> There is also the Advanced button in the property inspector (looks like one large gear with two smaller ones) where you can type the behavior, and also has the target icon. Also, you shouldn’t have to do that every time. Once should be enough if you save the stack afterwards.
>> 
>> I note that Datagrids have no way to set the behavior, since they depend on their default behavior. It was discussed long ago when nested behaviors became a thing, that there ought to be a way to edit a list of behaviors of an object. In fact it shouldn’t be that difficult to make a Behavior Browser widget of some sort. Hmmm...
>> 
>> Bob S
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 23, 2023, at 5:00 PM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I, too, have discovered the target icon to the right of the behavior object field in the property inspector. Alas, using that that I see only buttons on the current card (and stacks). I don’t see a way to navigate to a different card and select a button there. I might have missed it. — Dar
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 22, 2023, at 1:05 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> you probably know this: in the property inspector, there's a panel for
>>>> behavior, so you can just select the behavior from a menu button,
>>>> without having to type it
>>>> 
>>>> On Tue, Aug 22, 2023 at 1:37 PM Dar Scott via use-livecode
>>>> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I figured out how to do it in the IDE. I needed to include “of stack” in the reference. — Dar
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Aug 22, 2023, at 11:09 AM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Not sure how it works in the IDE - seems a problem because it only presents button in the current stack.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> So I do it all in preOpen... scripts, doing something like
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> set the behavior of fld "F" of grp tmpName to the long id of button "RichTextFieldBehaviour" of \
>>>>>>>       card "Behaviours" of stack "/Users/alextweedly/Dropbox/My Livecode/Libraries/richText.livecode"
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Alex.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 22/08/2023 17:57, Dar Scott via use-livecode wrote:
>>>>>>> I am misremembering things about Behaviors.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I have a card with my behavior buttons, but I can’t seem to point to buttons on that card. Maybe, I’m remembering what I did long ago with front scripts.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I suppose I can use substacks, but I’m worried that the stacks would be in the message path. Is there a way to keep the stack out of the message path?
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>>>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>>>>> 
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>>>>> 
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>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
>>>> On the second day, God created the oceans.
>>>> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>>>> and did a little diving.
>>>> And God said, "This is good."
>>>> 
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> 
> 
> -- 
> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>   and did a little diving.
> And God said, "This is good."
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From paul at researchware.com  Thu Aug 24 14:26:28 2023
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2023 14:26:28 -0400
Subject: Polygrid columns not fully clearing when pgColumns is set
Message-ID: <cf0a3941-ae5a-e0d7-374d-4350f2f67e5c@researchware.com>

Hi to any polygrid developers out there,

Please see bug https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=24315

I have run into an issue with the latest polygrid (as of this post) 
where if you set pgColumns to a new array that reduces the number of 
columns in the grid, some old columns are not cleared, but instead are 
set to defaults (ie. the names revert to col5, col6, etc. instead of 
being completely removed

Any thoughts to a work-around?


From paul at researchware.com  Thu Aug 24 14:30:31 2023
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2023 14:30:31 -0400
Subject: Polygrid columns not fully clearing when pgColumns is set
In-Reply-To: <cf0a3941-ae5a-e0d7-374d-4350f2f67e5c@researchware.com>
References: <cf0a3941-ae5a-e0d7-374d-4350f2f67e5c@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <d7b786f2-06c1-5a3a-f787-64a5f4a2be91@researchware.com>

Aha, I was setting pgColumns to the fewer columns and THEN pgData to the 
smaller data set to match the columns

You need to clear the pgData (set to empty) first, then set the columns, 
then set the new pgData.

Perhaps this is a documentation bug?

On 8/24/2023 2:26 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
> Hi to any polygrid developers out there,
>
> Please see bug https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=24315
>
> I have run into an issue with the latest polygrid (as of this post) 
> where if you set pgColumns to a new array that reduces the number of 
> columns in the grid, some old columns are not cleared, but instead are 
> set to defaults (ie. the names revert to col5, col6, etc. instead of 
> being completely removed
>
> Any thoughts to a work-around?
>
> _______________________________________________
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> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
> subscription preferences:
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From klaus at major-k.de  Thu Aug 24 14:34:02 2023
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2023 20:34:02 +0200
Subject: Polygrid columns not fully clearing when pgColumns is set
In-Reply-To: <d7b786f2-06c1-5a3a-f787-64a5f4a2be91@researchware.com>
References: <cf0a3941-ae5a-e0d7-374d-4350f2f67e5c@researchware.com>
 <d7b786f2-06c1-5a3a-f787-64a5f4a2be91@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <8C4479DE-8456-456E-82A8-84AE2FDAC828@major-k.de>

Hi Paul,

> Am 24.08.2023 um 20:30 schrieb Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Aha, I was setting pgColumns to the fewer columns and THEN pgData to the smaller data set to match the columns
> You need to clear the pgData (set to empty) first, then set the columns, then set the new pgData.
> Perhaps this is a documentation bug?

I had success by setting the dgColumns to EMPTY first and later to the new "fewer" columns:
## Button "Fewer Columns"
on mouseUp pMouseButton
  local tColA, tDataA
  local tSum
  lock screen

  ## !!
  set the pgColumns of widget "myTable" to EMPTY
 ## !!

  put "rowname" into tColA[1]["name"]
...

> On 8/24/2023 2:26 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
>> Hi to any polygrid developers out there,
>> 
>> Please see bug https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=24315
>> 
>> I have run into an issue with the latest polygrid (as of this post) where if you set pgColumns to a new array that reduces the number of columns in the grid, some old columns are not cleared, but instead are set to defaults (ie. the names revert to col5, col6, etc. instead of being completely removed
>> 
>> Any thoughts to a work-around?

Best

Klaus

--
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https://www.major-k.de
https://www.major-k.de/bass
klaus at major-k.de



From paul at researchware.com  Thu Aug 24 16:26:04 2023
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2023 16:26:04 -0400
Subject: Polygrid columns not fully clearing when pgColumns is set
In-Reply-To: <8C4479DE-8456-456E-82A8-84AE2FDAC828@major-k.de>
References: <cf0a3941-ae5a-e0d7-374d-4350f2f67e5c@researchware.com>
 <d7b786f2-06c1-5a3a-f787-64a5f4a2be91@researchware.com>
 <8C4479DE-8456-456E-82A8-84AE2FDAC828@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <ed02d312-5d38-d353-8c43-09909c05b8a7@researchware.com>

Thanks Klaus.

I may use this method rather than the overhead of clearing and setting 
the whole pgData property.

Actually, the more I think about it, neither "method" should be needed. 
This is a polygrid bug. If you set the pgColumsn to fewer column, 
regardless of whether there is left over data in pgData, only the 
columns in the currently set pgColumns should be seen.


On 8/24/2023 2:34 PM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote:
> Hi Paul,
>
>> Am 24.08.2023 um 20:30 schrieb Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>
>> Aha, I was setting pgColumns to the fewer columns and THEN pgData to the smaller data set to match the columns
>> You need to clear the pgData (set to empty) first, then set the columns, then set the new pgData.
>> Perhaps this is a documentation bug?
> I had success by setting the dgColumns to EMPTY first and later to the new "fewer" columns:
> ## Button "Fewer Columns"
> on mouseUp pMouseButton
>    local tColA, tDataA
>    local tSum
>    lock screen
>
>    ## !!
>    set the pgColumns of widget "myTable" to EMPTY
>   ## !!
>
>    put "rowname" into tColA[1]["name"]
> ...
>
>> On 8/24/2023 2:26 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
>>> Hi to any polygrid developers out there,
>>>
>>> Please see bug https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=24315
>>>
>>> I have run into an issue with the latest polygrid (as of this post) where if you set pgColumns to a new array that reduces the number of columns in the grid, some old columns are not cleared, but instead are set to defaults (ie. the names revert to col5, col6, etc. instead of being completely removed
>>>
>>> Any thoughts to a work-around?
> Best
>
> Klaus
>
> --
> Klaus Major
> https://www.major-k.de
> https://www.major-k.de/bass
> klaus at major-k.de
>
>
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From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Thu Aug 24 16:48:55 2023
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2023 22:48:55 +0200
Subject: OT - Mac Notarization Problem - Desperation setting in
In-Reply-To: <65E7119E-1DA1-43DC-B667-F90F7F249CFD@buffalo.edu>
References: <65E7119E-1DA1-43DC-B667-F90F7F249CFD@buffalo.edu>
Message-ID: <A74BD566-78C4-48E1-A0CF-5FD761B515D9@m-r-d.de>

Timothy,

so running the following command from step 7.1.2 of that lesson

xcrun notarytool submit --apple-id "<your_AppleID>" --password "<yourAppSpecificPassword>" --team-id <yourTeamID> --wait "<path_to_file>"

gives you the 401 error or are you using the parameter --keychain-profile instead of the three parameters --password,--team-id and --apple-id?
If using the above command, then could you please run the command again from command line and add --verbose  to enable a detailed log and send the log file to me in a private email?

If the second, then did you create a new keychain profile as described in chapter 8 of that lesson?

Regards,
Matthias





> Am 24.08.2023 um 19:02 schrieb Timothy Bleiler via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I believe the problem I’m having is either on Apple’s end or something with my local configuration but Apple has not been very helpful and I’m running out of ideas, so I’m turning to the wealth of experience on this list in desperation.
> 
> I’ve been using the lessons from  Matthias Rebbe and V4 of his handy mrSignNotarizeHelper stack.
> Code signing seems to work fine but when I get to the Notarization step I always get an
> "Error: HTTP status code: 401. Invalid credentials. Username or password is incorrect.
> 
> I’m on an M1 Mac with OS 13.4.1, Xcode 14.3.1 is installed, Livecode 9.6.9.
> 
> So far, this is what I’ve tried with the same result
> 
> 1) Verified developer account in good status with Apple
> 2) Multiple checks of my credentials (Apple ID, team ID, app-specific password) on Apple's developer and ID sites,
> 3) Multiple checks of my credentials in the parameters I’m using
> 4) Setting up a new app specific password on my account
> 5) Trying with a different Livecode application
> 6 Trying everything manually in Terminal. (What is apparent is any subcommands of NotaryTool (e.g. submit, store-credentials) using my credentials fail with the same error.
> 
> 7) Repeat everything on a brand new user account on my Mac
> 8) Sought help through devprograms at apple.com<mailto:devprograms at apple.com>
> 
> 
> I’ve done codesigning and notarization many times before with the same developer account with no issues.
> What’s new here for me is using NotaryTool and the app-specific password.
> 
> I realize this is a long shot but I’m stuck, so it would be great if anyone has any suggestions for solving this problem (even some detail I may have missed in the steps I’ve already taken)
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Tim Bleiler, Ph.D.
> Instructional Designer, HSIT
> University at Buffalo
> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Aug 24 16:53:06 2023
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2023 20:53:06 +0000
Subject: Polygrid columns not fully clearing when pgColumns is set
In-Reply-To: <ed02d312-5d38-d353-8c43-09909c05b8a7@researchware.com>
References: <cf0a3941-ae5a-e0d7-374d-4350f2f67e5c@researchware.com>
 <d7b786f2-06c1-5a3a-f787-64a5f4a2be91@researchware.com>
 <8C4479DE-8456-456E-82A8-84AE2FDAC828@major-k.de>
 <ed02d312-5d38-d353-8c43-09909c05b8a7@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <E2DD3752-EAE6-4153-821F-A3B77E158642@iotecdigital.com>

Why not get the pgColumns first, alter only the array element needed for the specific column(s), then set the pgColumns of the PolyGrid?

Bob S


> On Aug 24, 2023, at 1:26 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Thanks Klaus.
> 
> I may use this method rather than the overhead of clearing and setting the whole pgData property.
> 
> Actually, the more I think about it, neither "method" should be needed. This is a polygrid bug. If you set the pgColumsn to fewer column, regardless of whether there is left over data in pgData, only the columns in the currently set pgColumns should be seen.
> 
> 
> On 8/24/2023 2:34 PM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote:
>> Hi Paul,
>> 
>>> Am 24.08.2023 um 20:30 schrieb Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>> 
>>> Aha, I was setting pgColumns to the fewer columns and THEN pgData to the smaller data set to match the columns
>>> You need to clear the pgData (set to empty) first, then set the columns, then set the new pgData.
>>> Perhaps this is a documentation bug?
>> I had success by setting the dgColumns to EMPTY first and later to the new "fewer" columns:
>> ## Button "Fewer Columns"
>> on mouseUp pMouseButton
>>   local tColA, tDataA
>>   local tSum
>>   lock screen
>> 
>>   ## !!
>>   set the pgColumns of widget "myTable" to EMPTY
>>  ## !!
>> 
>>   put "rowname" into tColA[1]["name"]
>> ...
>> 
>>> On 8/24/2023 2:26 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
>>>> Hi to any polygrid developers out there,
>>>> 
>>>> Please see bug https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=24315
>>>> 
>>>> I have run into an issue with the latest polygrid (as of this post) where if you set pgColumns to a new array that reduces the number of columns in the grid, some old columns are not cleared, but instead are set to defaults (ie. the names revert to col5, col6, etc. instead of being completely removed
>>>> 
>>>> Any thoughts to a work-around?
>> Best
>> 
>> Klaus
>> 
>> --
>> Klaus Major
>> https://www.major-k.de
>> https://www.major-k.de/bass
>> klaus at major-k.de
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> 
> 
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From paul at researchware.com  Thu Aug 24 17:49:36 2023
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2023 17:49:36 -0400
Subject: Polygrid columns not fully clearing when pgColumns is set
In-Reply-To: <E2DD3752-EAE6-4153-821F-A3B77E158642@iotecdigital.com>
References: <cf0a3941-ae5a-e0d7-374d-4350f2f67e5c@researchware.com>
 <d7b786f2-06c1-5a3a-f787-64a5f4a2be91@researchware.com>
 <8C4479DE-8456-456E-82A8-84AE2FDAC828@major-k.de>
 <ed02d312-5d38-d353-8c43-09909c05b8a7@researchware.com>
 <E2DD3752-EAE6-4153-821F-A3B77E158642@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <540a48b9-8965-b2c9-ef2a-06ead0677240@researchware.com>

In this particular case, the table being displayed in the polygrid is 
based on datasets that researcher loads into our application and the 
number of rows and columns can vary widely as well as the column 
names/labels and type of data. Rather than conduct a large analysis to 
determine which of N columns (and it could be 0 to N) have changed, it 
is easier to update pgColumns.

In one dataset N could be 3 and in the next 1500 (yes, for real)



On 8/24/2023 4:53 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
> Why not get the pgColumns first, alter only the array element needed for the specific column(s), then set the pgColumns of the PolyGrid?
>
> Bob S
>
>
>> On Aug 24, 2023, at 1:26 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Klaus.
>>
>> I may use this method rather than the overhead of clearing and setting the whole pgData property.
>>
>> Actually, the more I think about it, neither "method" should be needed. This is a polygrid bug. If you set the pgColumsn to fewer column, regardless of whether there is left over data in pgData, only the columns in the currently set pgColumns should be seen.
>>
>>
>> On 8/24/2023 2:34 PM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote:
>>> Hi Paul,
>>>
>>>> Am 24.08.2023 um 20:30 schrieb Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>>>
>>>> Aha, I was setting pgColumns to the fewer columns and THEN pgData to the smaller data set to match the columns
>>>> You need to clear the pgData (set to empty) first, then set the columns, then set the new pgData.
>>>> Perhaps this is a documentation bug?
>>> I had success by setting the dgColumns to EMPTY first and later to the new "fewer" columns:
>>> ## Button "Fewer Columns"
>>> on mouseUp pMouseButton
>>>    local tColA, tDataA
>>>    local tSum
>>>    lock screen
>>>
>>>    ## !!
>>>    set the pgColumns of widget "myTable" to EMPTY
>>>   ## !!
>>>
>>>    put "rowname" into tColA[1]["name"]
>>> ...
>>>
>>>> On 8/24/2023 2:26 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
>>>>> Hi to any polygrid developers out there,
>>>>>
>>>>> Please see bug https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=24315
>>>>>
>>>>> I have run into an issue with the latest polygrid (as of this post) where if you set pgColumns to a new array that reduces the number of columns in the grid, some old columns are not cleared, but instead are set to defaults (ie. the names revert to col5, col6, etc. instead of being completely removed
>>>>>
>>>>> Any thoughts to a work-around?
>>> Best
>>>
>>> Klaus
>>>
>>> --
>>> Klaus Major
>>> https://www.major-k.de
>>> https://www.major-k.de/bass
>>> klaus at major-k.de
>>>
>>>
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From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Thu Aug 24 19:17:27 2023
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2023 19:17:27 -0400
Subject: Behaviors
In-Reply-To: <EB25B2E1-646F-41C6-B8FC-323769F6B403@iotecdigital.com>
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 <F4BCB523-D617-48CB-9E59-0EC6D2852B06@swcp.com>
 <2AA4D973-C0B6-4E7E-B169-DC724C89C35E@iotecdigital.com>
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polygrid
the api is similar, but they also have some nice additional features.
i have ripped all my dg's and replaced them with pg's.
now, if you're using custom templates, have a look at the pl - polyList.

On Thu, Aug 24, 2023 at 2:12 PM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> Ah thanks for that. Yes, I knew how to nest behaviors for datagrids, but I never use the Project Browser because of issues I had many years ago. I may have another look.
>
> What is a “pg”? I make extensive use of Datagrid properties, and whatever I might replace them with needs to provide ALL their functionality.
>
> Bob S
>
>
> > On Aug 24, 2023, at 10:15 AM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > i'm pretty sure you can set a dg's behavior. then you would set the
> > behavior of that behavior to the button behavior (button id 1005 of
> > stack "revDataGridLibrary"), OR you can include THAT script,
> > separately, set that as the behavior, and modify it
> > (but, what you should really do is remove your dg's and replace them
> > with pg's, imho. they're much faster and more flexible and powerful).
> > the project browser has a button for each behavior in the chain of an
> > object. i'm pretty sure that levure baker's assistant does, too.
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 24, 2023 at 11:35 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
> > <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> There is also the Advanced button in the property inspector (looks like one large gear with two smaller ones) where you can type the behavior, and also has the target icon. Also, you shouldn’t have to do that every time. Once should be enough if you save the stack afterwards.
> >>
> >> I note that Datagrids have no way to set the behavior, since they depend on their default behavior. It was discussed long ago when nested behaviors became a thing, that there ought to be a way to edit a list of behaviors of an object. In fact it shouldn’t be that difficult to make a Behavior Browser widget of some sort. Hmmm...
> >>
> >> Bob S
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Aug 23, 2023, at 5:00 PM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I, too, have discovered the target icon to the right of the behavior object field in the property inspector. Alas, using that that I see only buttons on the current card (and stacks). I don’t see a way to navigate to a different card and select a button there. I might have missed it. — Dar
> >>>
> >>>> On Aug 22, 2023, at 1:05 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> you probably know this: in the property inspector, there's a panel for
> >>>> behavior, so you can just select the behavior from a menu button,
> >>>> without having to type it
> >>>>
> >>>> On Tue, Aug 22, 2023 at 1:37 PM Dar Scott via use-livecode
> >>>> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I figured out how to do it in the IDE. I needed to include “of stack” in the reference. — Dar
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Aug 22, 2023, at 11:09 AM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Not sure how it works in the IDE - seems a problem because it only presents button in the current stack.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> So I do it all in preOpen... scripts, doing something like
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> set the behavior of fld "F" of grp tmpName to the long id of button "RichTextFieldBehaviour" of \
> >>>>>>>       card "Behaviours" of stack "/Users/alextweedly/Dropbox/My Livecode/Libraries/richText.livecode"
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Alex.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 22/08/2023 17:57, Dar Scott via use-livecode wrote:
> >>>>>>> I am misremembering things about Behaviors.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I have a card with my behavior buttons, but I can’t seem to point to buttons on that card. Maybe, I’m remembering what I did long ago with front scripts.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I suppose I can use substacks, but I’m worried that the stacks would be in the message path. Is there a way to keep the stack out of the message path?
> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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> >>>> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> >>>> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
> >>>> and did a little diving.
> >>>> And God said, "This is good."
> >>>>
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> > On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> > On the second day, God created the oceans.
> > On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
> >   and did a little diving.
> > And God said, "This is good."
> >
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-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


From paul at researchware.com  Thu Aug 24 19:56:29 2023
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2023 19:56:29 -0400
Subject: Polygrid sorting
Message-ID: <e94e5b85-75f2-85aa-4da8-7cf51408aa7e@researchware.com>

The Polygrid, unlike the Datagrid, has no built in column sorting. You 
have to roll your own.

Before I write my own, has anyone written a column sort (i.e click on a 
column header to sort by it) for a Poly grid they'd care to share?





From gcanyon at gmail.com  Thu Aug 24 22:04:04 2023
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2023 22:04:04 -0400
Subject: Behaviors
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycNOm4Evi72hJSzScFCtF9xxyNQf8_NvZ7RD7JfgXv4UPw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E8D646E0-E712-47F1-9976-C86F2C5C7AA5@swcp.com>
 <6a88a801-283f-4b5f-86b0-77e44f57d7da@tweedly.net>
 <77958622-E960-4C90-97CC-AE3FC21CF1D7@swcp.com>
 <CADCoycOv-mbthFW+B+Y5SaniFu5CM6cjmyPwQNJxGPFA_DHsPA@mail.gmail.com>
 <F4BCB523-D617-48CB-9E59-0EC6D2852B06@swcp.com>
 <2AA4D973-C0B6-4E7E-B169-DC724C89C35E@iotecdigital.com>
 <CADCoycNXS+2P5cbdwc5-ZX6o9Q_Z8qYVZEaKjtqcZ3W8zn6EJg@mail.gmail.com>
 <EB25B2E1-646F-41C6-B8FC-323769F6B403@iotecdigital.com>
 <CADCoycNOm4Evi72hJSzScFCtF9xxyNQf8_NvZ7RD7JfgXv4UPw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKCLKtrfwHgVCMh-TNQ4qbW3Dmu0Nvh-dyQ0TpwigLiErTqomA@mail.gmail.com>

I'll admit it's not very intuitive, but:

In Navigator, right-click any button. On the context menu, select Copy >
Objects.
Navigate to any control or card, stack, etc. Bookmarks are fine for this as
well.
Right-click any other control. On the context menu, select Set Copied Btn
as Behavior.

On Thu, Aug 24, 2023 at 7:19 PM Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> polygrid
> the api is similar, but they also have some nice additional features.
> i have ripped all my dg's and replaced them with pg's.
> now, if you're using custom templates, have a look at the pl - polyList.
>
> On Thu, Aug 24, 2023 at 2:12 PM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Ah thanks for that. Yes, I knew how to nest behaviors for datagrids, but
> I never use the Project Browser because of issues I had many years ago. I
> may have another look.
> >
> > What is a “pg”? I make extensive use of Datagrid properties, and
> whatever I might replace them with needs to provide ALL their functionality.
> >
> > Bob S
> >
> >
> > > On Aug 24, 2023, at 10:15 AM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > i'm pretty sure you can set a dg's behavior. then you would set the
> > > behavior of that behavior to the button behavior (button id 1005 of
> > > stack "revDataGridLibrary"), OR you can include THAT script,
> > > separately, set that as the behavior, and modify it
> > > (but, what you should really do is remove your dg's and replace them
> > > with pg's, imho. they're much faster and more flexible and powerful).
> > > the project browser has a button for each behavior in the chain of an
> > > object. i'm pretty sure that levure baker's assistant does, too.
> > >
> > > On Thu, Aug 24, 2023 at 11:35 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
> > > <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> There is also the Advanced button in the property inspector (looks
> like one large gear with two smaller ones) where you can type the behavior,
> and also has the target icon. Also, you shouldn’t have to do that every
> time. Once should be enough if you save the stack afterwards.
> > >>
> > >> I note that Datagrids have no way to set the behavior, since they
> depend on their default behavior. It was discussed long ago when nested
> behaviors became a thing, that there ought to be a way to edit a list of
> behaviors of an object. In fact it shouldn’t be that difficult to make a
> Behavior Browser widget of some sort. Hmmm...
> > >>
> > >> Bob S
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> On Aug 23, 2023, at 5:00 PM, Dar Scott via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> I, too, have discovered the target icon to the right of the behavior
> object field in the property inspector. Alas, using that that I see only
> buttons on the current card (and stacks). I don’t see a way to navigate to
> a different card and select a button there. I might have missed it. — Dar
> > >>>
> > >>>> On Aug 22, 2023, at 1:05 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> you probably know this: in the property inspector, there's a panel
> for
> > >>>> behavior, so you can just select the behavior from a menu button,
> > >>>> without having to type it
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Tue, Aug 22, 2023 at 1:37 PM Dar Scott via use-livecode
> > >>>> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I figured out how to do it in the IDE. I needed to include “of
> stack” in the reference. — Dar
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> On Aug 22, 2023, at 11:09 AM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Not sure how it works in the IDE - seems a problem because it
> only presents button in the current stack.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> So I do it all in preOpen... scripts, doing something like
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> set the behavior of fld "F" of grp tmpName to the long id of
> button "RichTextFieldBehaviour" of \
> > >>>>>>>       card "Behaviours" of stack "/Users/alextweedly/Dropbox/My
> Livecode/Libraries/richText.livecode"
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Alex.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> On 22/08/2023 17:57, Dar Scott via use-livecode wrote:
> > >>>>>>> I am misremembering things about Behaviors.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> I have a card with my behavior buttons, but I can’t seem to
> point to buttons on that card. Maybe, I’m remembering what I did long ago
> with front scripts.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> I suppose I can use substacks, but I’m worried that the stacks
> would be in the message path. Is there a way to keep the stack out of the
> message path?
> > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________
> > >>>>>>> use-livecode mailing list
> > >>>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > >>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> > >>>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> _______________________________________________
> > >>>>>> use-livecode mailing list
> > >>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > >>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
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> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> _______________________________________________
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> > >>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
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> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> --
> > >>>> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> > >>>> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> > >>>> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
> > >>>> and did a little diving.
> > >>>> And God said, "This is good."
> > >>>>
> > >>>> _______________________________________________
> > >>>> use-livecode mailing list
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> > >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
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> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
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> subscription preferences:
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> > >>
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> > >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> > > On the second day, God created the oceans.
> > > On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
> > >   and did a little diving.
> > > And God said, "This is good."
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > use-livecode mailing list
> > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
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> subscription preferences:
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>
>
> --
> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>    and did a little diving.
> And God said, "This is good."
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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From heather at livecode.com  Fri Aug 25 04:13:14 2023
From: heather at livecode.com (Heather Laine)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2023 09:13:14 +0100
Subject: OT - Mac Notarization Problem - Desperation setting in
In-Reply-To: <65E7119E-1DA1-43DC-B667-F90F7F249CFD@buffalo.edu>
References: <65E7119E-1DA1-43DC-B667-F90F7F249CFD@buffalo.edu>
Message-ID: <9DE2E7AD-8AFF-4DAF-A8E3-3F1063F6C912@livecode.com>

Tim - codesigning is not my expertise but failed password credentials I deal with frequently :). A possible gotcha is that your password is saved to your keychain, and then, if you change it, the changed password is overwritten by the saved password, invisibly since the password is hidden when entered. I would recommend deleting all saved passwords from your keychain for your certificates etc, and re-entering them to eliminate this possibility.

Probably not the issue but you never know...

Best Regards,

Heather

Heather Laine
Customer Services Manager
LiveCode Ltd
www.livecode.com



> On 24 Aug 2023, at 18:02, Timothy Bleiler via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I believe the problem I’m having is either on Apple’s end or something with my local configuration but Apple has not been very helpful and I’m running out of ideas, so I’m turning to the wealth of experience on this list in desperation.
> 
> I’ve been using the lessons from  Matthias Rebbe and V4 of his handy mrSignNotarizeHelper stack.
> Code signing seems to work fine but when I get to the Notarization step I always get an
> "Error: HTTP status code: 401. Invalid credentials. Username or password is incorrect.
> 
> I’m on an M1 Mac with OS 13.4.1, Xcode 14.3.1 is installed, Livecode 9.6.9.
> 
> So far, this is what I’ve tried with the same result
> 
> 1) Verified developer account in good status with Apple
> 2) Multiple checks of my credentials (Apple ID, team ID, app-specific password) on Apple's developer and ID sites,
> 3) Multiple checks of my credentials in the parameters I’m using
> 4) Setting up a new app specific password on my account
> 5) Trying with a different Livecode application
> 6 Trying everything manually in Terminal. (What is apparent is any subcommands of NotaryTool (e.g. submit, store-credentials) using my credentials fail with the same error.
> 
> 7) Repeat everything on a brand new user account on my Mac
> 8) Sought help through devprograms at apple.com<mailto:devprograms at apple.com>
> 
> 
> I’ve done codesigning and notarization many times before with the same developer account with no issues.
> What’s new here for me is using NotaryTool and the app-specific password.
> 
> I realize this is a long shot but I’m stuck, so it would be great if anyone has any suggestions for solving this problem (even some detail I may have missed in the steps I’ve already taken)
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Tim Bleiler, Ph.D.
> Instructional Designer, HSIT
> University at Buffalo
> 
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From merakosp at gmail.com  Fri Aug 25 05:16:44 2023
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis m)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2023 12:16:44 +0300
Subject: Polygrid sorting
In-Reply-To: <e94e5b85-75f2-85aa-4da8-7cf51408aa7e@researchware.com>
References: <e94e5b85-75f2-85aa-4da8-7cf51408aa7e@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq9z5+Gv8SW3M2V=F+gRT+H2Khzy8P218qJnwx1+_DXPQg@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Paul,

See the example in the dictionary for the "headerClick" message:

local sDirection

on headerClick pColumnNumber
    local tText

    put the text of me into tText
    put not sDirection[pColumnNumber] into sDirection[pColumnNumber]

    set the itemDel to tab

    # Sort data by this column.
    if sDirection[pColumnNumber] then
        sort lines of tText ascending by item pColumnNumber of each
    else
        sort lines of tText descending by item pColumnNumber of each
    end if

    set the text of me to tText
end headerClick

Kind regards,
Panos

--

On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 at 02:57, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> The Polygrid, unlike the Datagrid, has no built in column sorting. You
> have to roll your own.
>
> Before I write my own, has anyone written a column sort (i.e click on a
> column header to sort by it) for a Poly grid they'd care to share?
>
>
>
>
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From paul at researchware.com  Fri Aug 25 07:04:21 2023
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2023 07:04:21 -0400
Subject: Polygrid sorting
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq9z5+Gv8SW3M2V=F+gRT+H2Khzy8P218qJnwx1+_DXPQg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e94e5b85-75f2-85aa-4da8-7cf51408aa7e@researchware.com>
 <CA+JfEq9z5+Gv8SW3M2V=F+gRT+H2Khzy8P218qJnwx1+_DXPQg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c784972f-f8a8-0cb8-b671-01744124abcd@researchware.com>

Thank you Panos!

I must be going blind not to have seen the example when I clicked on the 
Dictionary entry for the message!

On 8/25/2023 5:16 AM, panagiotis m via use-livecode wrote:
> Hello Paul,
>
> See the example in the dictionary for the "headerClick" message:
>
> local sDirection
>
> on headerClick pColumnNumber
>      local tText
>
>      put the text of me into tText
>      put not sDirection[pColumnNumber] into sDirection[pColumnNumber]
>
>      set the itemDel to tab
>
>      # Sort data by this column.
>      if sDirection[pColumnNumber] then
>          sort lines of tText ascending by item pColumnNumber of each
>      else
>          sort lines of tText descending by item pColumnNumber of each
>      end if
>
>      set the text of me to tText
> end headerClick
>
> Kind regards,
> Panos
>
> --
>
> On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 at 02:57, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> The Polygrid, unlike the Datagrid, has no built in column sorting. You
>> have to roll your own.
>>
>> Before I write my own, has anyone written a column sort (i.e click on a
>> column header to sort by it) for a Poly grid they'd care to share?
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From roger.e.eller at sealedair.com  Fri Aug 25 09:10:22 2023
From: roger.e.eller at sealedair.com (Eller, Roger)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2023 13:10:22 +0000
Subject: Merging PDF pages
Message-ID: <BN8PR14MB2913ED08DBE6439CD248F041AFE3A@BN8PR14MB2913.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>

It's been a while since I've posted a question here.  Is it possible to use livecode script to merge multiple 1-page PDFs into a multipage PDF without using Acrobat or other 3rd party software?

Thanks.

~Roger



From craig at starfirelighting.com  Fri Aug 25 09:33:44 2023
From: craig at starfirelighting.com (Craig Newman)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2023 09:33:44 -0400
Subject: Merging PDF pages
In-Reply-To: <BN8PR14MB2913ED08DBE6439CD248F041AFE3A@BN8PR14MB2913.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BN8PR14MB2913ED08DBE6439CD248F041AFE3A@BN8PR14MB2913.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <6409CAFB-BDFC-4F1B-9838-5EBAEA51624B@starfirelighting.com>

Hi.

Sure. Try this in a button on card 1 of a new stack with, say, three cards:

on mouseUp

get the desktop folder

open printing to pdf it & "/" & “yourNamehere" & ".pdf"

repeat with x = 1 to 3

print card x

end repeat

close printing

end mouseUp



And I wonder if the new pdf widget has that built in.



Craig


> On Aug 25, 2023, at 9:10 AM, Eller, Roger via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> It's been a while since I've posted a question here.  Is it possible to use livecode script to merge multiple 1-page PDFs into a multipage PDF without using Acrobat or other 3rd party software?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> ~Roger
> 
> 
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From craig at starfirelighting.com  Fri Aug 25 09:39:56 2023
From: craig at starfirelighting.com (Craig Newman)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2023 09:39:56 -0400
Subject: Merging PDF pages
In-Reply-To: <6409CAFB-BDFC-4F1B-9838-5EBAEA51624B@starfirelighting.com>
References: <BN8PR14MB2913ED08DBE6439CD248F041AFE3A@BN8PR14MB2913.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
 <6409CAFB-BDFC-4F1B-9838-5EBAEA51624B@starfirelighting.com>
Message-ID: <0A45F528-142B-4FCE-A5E4-CC935D256AFB@starfirelighting.com>

Hmmm.

Rereading, did you want to be able to collect existing pdf documents, read them, and then output a single new PDF?   If so, I guess you can import those documents as images on successive cards, and do what I posted earlier.

Seems clunky, but then you are asking LC to do something clunky.

Craig

> On Aug 25, 2023, at 9:33 AM, Craig Newman via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi.
> 
> Sure. Try this in a button on card 1 of a new stack with, say, three cards:
> 
> on mouseUp
> 
> get the desktop folder
> 
> open printing to pdf it & "/" & “yourNamehere" & ".pdf"
> 
> repeat with x = 1 to 3
> 
> print card x
> 
> end repeat
> 
> close printing
> 
> end mouseUp
> 
> 
> 
> And I wonder if the new pdf widget has that built in.
> 
> 
> 
> Craig
> 
> 
>> On Aug 25, 2023, at 9:10 AM, Eller, Roger via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> It's been a while since I've posted a question here.  Is it possible to use livecode script to merge multiple 1-page PDFs into a multipage PDF without using Acrobat or other 3rd party software?
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> ~Roger
>> 
>> 
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Fri Aug 25 09:58:10 2023
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2023 16:58:10 +0300
Subject: Merging PDF pages
In-Reply-To: <0A45F528-142B-4FCE-A5E4-CC935D256AFB@starfirelighting.com>
References: <BN8PR14MB2913ED08DBE6439CD248F041AFE3A@BN8PR14MB2913.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
 <6409CAFB-BDFC-4F1B-9838-5EBAEA51624B@starfirelighting.com>
 <0A45F528-142B-4FCE-A5E4-CC935D256AFB@starfirelighting.com>
Message-ID: <89e805a0-da4d-4468-ac39-f79d31e2268e@gmail.com>

Humph . . . importing documents at images and then knitting them 
together . . . be aware that you will lose one the most valuable things 
about a PDF document: the embedded text layer.

Richmond.

On 25.08.23 16:39, Craig Newman via use-livecode wrote:
> Hmmm.
>
> Rereading, did you want to be able to collect existing pdf documents, read them, and then output a single new PDF?   If so, I guess you can import those documents as images on successive cards, and do what I posted earlier.
>
> Seems clunky, but then you are asking LC to do something clunky.
>
> Craig
>
>> On Aug 25, 2023, at 9:33 AM, Craig Newman via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi.
>>
>> Sure. Try this in a button on card 1 of a new stack with, say, three cards:
>>
>> on mouseUp
>>
>> get the desktop folder
>>
>> open printing to pdf it & "/" & yourNamehere" & ".pdf"
>>
>> repeat with x = 1 to 3
>>
>> print card x
>>
>> end repeat
>>
>> close printing
>>
>> end mouseUp
>>
>>
>>
>> And I wonder if the new pdf widget has that built in.
>>
>>
>>
>> Craig
>>
>>
>>> On Aug 25, 2023, at 9:10 AM, Eller, Roger via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> It's been a while since I've posted a question here.  Is it possible to use livecode script to merge multiple 1-page PDFs into a multipage PDF without using Acrobat or other 3rd party software?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> ~Roger
>>>
>>>
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From craig at starfirelighting.com  Fri Aug 25 10:03:02 2023
From: craig at starfirelighting.com (Craig Newman)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2023 10:03:02 -0400
Subject: Merging PDF pages
In-Reply-To: <0A45F528-142B-4FCE-A5E4-CC935D256AFB@starfirelighting.com>
References: <BN8PR14MB2913ED08DBE6439CD248F041AFE3A@BN8PR14MB2913.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
 <6409CAFB-BDFC-4F1B-9838-5EBAEA51624B@starfirelighting.com>
 <0A45F528-142B-4FCE-A5E4-CC935D256AFB@starfirelighting.com>
Message-ID: <73387718-83BB-469A-AE58-137DB4F8C1D9@starfirelighting.com>

Richmond.

Did I mention this was a bit clunky?

Craig

> On Aug 25, 2023, at 9:39 AM, Craig Newman via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hmmm.
> 
> Rereading, did you want to be able to collect existing pdf documents, read them, and then output a single new PDF?   If so, I guess you can import those documents as images on successive cards, and do what I posted earlier.
> 
> Seems clunky, but then you are asking LC to do something clunky.
> 
> Craig
> 
>> On Aug 25, 2023, at 9:33 AM, Craig Newman via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi.
>> 
>> Sure. Try this in a button on card 1 of a new stack with, say, three cards:
>> 
>> on mouseUp
>> 
>> get the desktop folder
>> 
>> open printing to pdf it & "/" & “yourNamehere" & ".pdf"
>> 
>> repeat with x = 1 to 3
>> 
>> print card x
>> 
>> end repeat
>> 
>> close printing
>> 
>> end mouseUp
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> And I wonder if the new pdf widget has that built in.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Craig
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 25, 2023, at 9:10 AM, Eller, Roger via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> It's been a while since I've posted a question here.  Is it possible to use livecode script to merge multiple 1-page PDFs into a multipage PDF without using Acrobat or other 3rd party software?
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> ~Roger
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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From paul at researchware.com  Fri Aug 25 10:22:07 2023
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2023 10:22:07 -0400
Subject: Merging PDF pages
In-Reply-To: <BN8PR14MB2913ED08DBE6439CD248F041AFE3A@BN8PR14MB2913.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BN8PR14MB2913ED08DBE6439CD248F041AFE3A@BN8PR14MB2913.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <0d130f7d-9c5c-c18e-ecfe-b5c83a4cd5ab@researchware.com>

The short answer is NO. There is nothing built into Livecode to take a 
set fo existing PDF files and append them to create a readable PDF that 
is them all stitched together. Neither the XPDF external nor the PDF 
widget will do this.

You best option is to use some 3rd party command line utility that will 
merge PDF files that works on the platform or platforms your want to do 
this on and use the Livecode shell() function to call that command line 
utility.

If this is going to be a distributed standalone, you can actually read 
the utility as a binary file and compress it as a staved property in 
your application, that can uncompress and install it on any target computer.

We do this with the popular free open-source video tool ffmpeg for macOS 
and WIndows. Our app install it if needed on the target computer from a 
compressed copy bundled into our app and we use SHELL() to call it to do 
several video operations that can't be done in Livecode.

Paul Dupuis
Researchware



On 8/25/2023 9:10 AM, Eller, Roger via use-livecode wrote:
> It's been a while since I've posted a question here.  Is it possible to use livecode script to merge multiple 1-page PDFs into a multipage PDF without using Acrobat or other 3rd party software?
>
> Thanks.
>
> ~Roger
>
>
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From bleiler at buffalo.edu  Fri Aug 25 10:37:57 2023
From: bleiler at buffalo.edu (Timothy Bleiler)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2023 14:37:57 +0000
Subject: OT - Mac Notarization Problem - Desperation setting in
In-Reply-To: <9DE2E7AD-8AFF-4DAF-A8E3-3F1063F6C912@livecode.com>
References: <65E7119E-1DA1-43DC-B667-F90F7F249CFD@buffalo.edu>
 <9DE2E7AD-8AFF-4DAF-A8E3-3F1063F6C912@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <6B0CBBC2-5759-4E5F-B9D2-43CFC50D0CC0@buffalo.edu>

Thank you Heather,

I’ll take a look.  Matthias Rebbe is also trying to help me find the problem.

Regards,
Tim Bleiler



> On Aug 25, 2023, at 4:13 AM, Heather Laine via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> Tim - codesigning is not my expertise but failed password credentials I deal with frequently :). A possible gotcha is that your password is saved to your keychain, and then, if you change it, the changed password is overwritten by the saved password, invisibly since the password is hidden when entered. I would recommend deleting all saved passwords from your keychain for your certificates etc, and re-entering them to eliminate this possibility.
>
> Probably not the issue but you never know...
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Heather
>
> Heather Laine
> Customer Services Manager
> LiveCode Ltd
> http://www.livecode.com/
>
>
>
>> On 24 Aug 2023, at 18:02, Timothy Bleiler via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I believe the problem I’m having is either on Apple’s end or something with my local configuration but Apple has not been very helpful and I’m running out of ideas, so I’m turning to the wealth of experience on this list in desperation.
>>
>> I’ve been using the lessons from  Matthias Rebbe and V4 of his handy mrSignNotarizeHelper stack.
>> Code signing seems to work fine but when I get to the Notarization step I always get an
>> "Error: HTTP status code: 401. Invalid credentials. Username or password is incorrect.
>>
>> I’m on an M1 Mac with OS 13.4.1, Xcode 14.3.1 is installed, Livecode 9.6.9.
>>
>> So far, this is what I’ve tried with the same result
>>
>> 1) Verified developer account in good status with Apple
>> 2) Multiple checks of my credentials (Apple ID, team ID, app-specific password) on Apple's developer and ID sites,
>> 3) Multiple checks of my credentials in the parameters I’m using
>> 4) Setting up a new app specific password on my account
>> 5) Trying with a different Livecode application
>> 6 Trying everything manually in Terminal. (What is apparent is any subcommands of NotaryTool (e.g. submit, store-credentials) using my credentials fail with the same error.
>>
>> 7) Repeat everything on a brand new user account on my Mac
>> 8) Sought help through devprograms at apple.com<mailto:devprograms at apple.com>
>>
>>
>> I’ve done codesigning and notarization many times before with the same developer account with no issues.
>> What’s new here for me is using NotaryTool and the app-specific password.
>>
>> I realize this is a long shot but I’m stuck, so it would be great if anyone has any suggestions for solving this problem (even some detail I may have missed in the steps I’ve already taken)
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Tim Bleiler, Ph.D.
>> Instructional Designer, HSIT
>> University at Buffalo
>>
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From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Fri Aug 25 10:44:08 2023
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2023 16:44:08 +0200
Subject: OT - Mac Notarization Problem - Desperation setting in
In-Reply-To: <6B0CBBC2-5759-4E5F-B9D2-43CFC50D0CC0@buffalo.edu>
References: <65E7119E-1DA1-43DC-B667-F90F7F249CFD@buffalo.edu>
 <9DE2E7AD-8AFF-4DAF-A8E3-3F1063F6C912@livecode.com>
 <6B0CBBC2-5759-4E5F-B9D2-43CFC50D0CC0@buffalo.edu>
Message-ID: <186D0CBE-2783-44A3-9040-5D4395E1F269@m-r-d.de>

The Keychain.app does not have any influence on passwords entered in the command line.
Passwords entered in terminal will not be replaced by Keychain.app.

> Am 25.08.2023 um 16:37 schrieb Timothy Bleiler via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Thank you Heather,
> 
> I’ll take a look.  Matthias Rebbe is also trying to help me find the problem.
> 
> Regards,
> Tim Bleiler
> 
> 
> 
>> On Aug 25, 2023, at 4:13 AM, Heather Laine via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Tim - codesigning is not my expertise but failed password credentials I deal with frequently :). A possible gotcha is that your password is saved to your keychain, and then, if you change it, the changed password is overwritten by the saved password, invisibly since the password is hidden when entered. I would recommend deleting all saved passwords from your keychain for your certificates etc, and re-entering them to eliminate this possibility.
>> 
>> Probably not the issue but you never know...
>> 
>> Best Regards,
>> 
>> Heather
>> 
>> Heather Laine
>> Customer Services Manager
>> LiveCode Ltd
>> http://www.livecode.com/
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 24 Aug 2023, at 18:02, Timothy Bleiler via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I believe the problem I’m having is either on Apple’s end or something with my local configuration but Apple has not been very helpful and I’m running out of ideas, so I’m turning to the wealth of experience on this list in desperation.
>>> 
>>> I’ve been using the lessons from  Matthias Rebbe and V4 of his handy mrSignNotarizeHelper stack.
>>> Code signing seems to work fine but when I get to the Notarization step I always get an
>>> "Error: HTTP status code: 401. Invalid credentials. Username or password is incorrect.
>>> 
>>> I’m on an M1 Mac with OS 13.4.1, Xcode 14.3.1 is installed, Livecode 9.6.9.
>>> 
>>> So far, this is what I’ve tried with the same result
>>> 
>>> 1) Verified developer account in good status with Apple
>>> 2) Multiple checks of my credentials (Apple ID, team ID, app-specific password) on Apple's developer and ID sites,
>>> 3) Multiple checks of my credentials in the parameters I’m using
>>> 4) Setting up a new app specific password on my account
>>> 5) Trying with a different Livecode application
>>> 6 Trying everything manually in Terminal. (What is apparent is any subcommands of NotaryTool (e.g. submit, store-credentials) using my credentials fail with the same error.
>>> 
>>> 7) Repeat everything on a brand new user account on my Mac
>>> 8) Sought help through devprograms at apple.com<mailto:devprograms at apple.com>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I’ve done codesigning and notarization many times before with the same developer account with no issues.
>>> What’s new here for me is using NotaryTool and the app-specific password.
>>> 
>>> I realize this is a long shot but I’m stuck, so it would be great if anyone has any suggestions for solving this problem (even some detail I may have missed in the steps I’ve already taken)
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Tim Bleiler, Ph.D.
>>> Instructional Designer, HSIT
>>> University at Buffalo
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> 
>> 
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From merakosp at gmail.com  Fri Aug 25 10:52:55 2023
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis m)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2023 17:52:55 +0300
Subject: Merging PDF pages
In-Reply-To: <0d130f7d-9c5c-c18e-ecfe-b5c83a4cd5ab@researchware.com>
References: <BN8PR14MB2913ED08DBE6439CD248F041AFE3A@BN8PR14MB2913.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
 <0d130f7d-9c5c-c18e-ecfe-b5c83a4cd5ab@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq-y9d4yYnX0NMEtMCE6qPCqbOSJrm2JoaEF=ZVm8qGZbg@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all,

There is a built-in utility on MacOS for merging PDFs. You can call it from
"shell", as Paul suggested.

This seems to work - tested on MacOS Mojave. It merges "test1.pdf" and
"test2.pdf" into "merged.pdf" on Desktop.
Just check that the path of tApp actually exists in modern MacOS as well.

on mouseUp pButtonNumber
   local tShell, tApp
   put quote & "/System/Library/Automator/Combine PDF
Pages.action/Contents/Resources/join.py" & quote \
         into tApp
   put tApp && "-o ~/Desktop/merged.pdf ~/Desktop/test1.pdf
~/Desktop/test2.pdf" \
         into tShell
   get shell(tShell)
end mouseUp

Cheers,
Panos
--

On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 at 17:23, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> The short answer is NO. There is nothing built into Livecode to take a
> set fo existing PDF files and append them to create a readable PDF that
> is them all stitched together. Neither the XPDF external nor the PDF
> widget will do this.
>
> You best option is to use some 3rd party command line utility that will
> merge PDF files that works on the platform or platforms your want to do
> this on and use the Livecode shell() function to call that command line
> utility.
>
> If this is going to be a distributed standalone, you can actually read
> the utility as a binary file and compress it as a staved property in
> your application, that can uncompress and install it on any target
> computer.
>
> We do this with the popular free open-source video tool ffmpeg for macOS
> and WIndows. Our app install it if needed on the target computer from a
> compressed copy bundled into our app and we use SHELL() to call it to do
> several video operations that can't be done in Livecode.
>
> Paul Dupuis
> Researchware
>
>
>
> On 8/25/2023 9:10 AM, Eller, Roger via use-livecode wrote:
> > It's been a while since I've posted a question here.  Is it possible to
> use livecode script to merge multiple 1-page PDFs into a multipage PDF
> without using Acrobat or other 3rd party software?
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > ~Roger
> >
> >
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From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Fri Aug 25 11:00:23 2023
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2023 17:00:23 +0200
Subject: Merging PDF pages
In-Reply-To: <BN8PR14MB2913ED08DBE6439CD248F041AFE3A@BN8PR14MB2913.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BN8PR14MB2913ED08DBE6439CD248F041AFE3A@BN8PR14MB2913.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <AB43A066-941B-4B57-A1DC-311C27E8EFD9@m-r-d.de>

On which OS are you planning to do this?

On Windows and macOS you could make use of PDFTK server from PDFLabs.com <http://pdflabs.com/>

On macOS  PDFTK Server normally  has to be installed to use it. But you could follow these steps here to get it working w/o installation.

1. Do not use the d/l link for pdftk Server from the pdfLabs website. That version will not work on macOS11 and up. Instead download this version of PDFTK Server. Sid Steward created a new version but did not update the d/l link
https://www.pdflabs.com/tools/pdftk-the-pdf-toolkit/pdftk_server-2.02-mac_osx-10.11-setup.pkg

2. to extract the pkg run the following in Terminal
pkgutil --expand <source path of pkg>  <destinaltion path>

If the source path to the pkg contains spaces then put quotes around the path.

After extraction you'll find the 2 folders lib and bin and some others .The 2 mentioned ones are needed. 

Now in LC you can use shell shell function to call the pdftk

Example
set the folder to "path to the bin folder"

put shell("./pdftk  file1.pdf file2.pdf file3.pdf cat output mynewfile.pdf")


would create combine the three file..pdf file into a new one called mynewfile.pdf


I wrote this in a hurry, so i might have some error in my explanation. Just ask, if you have problems.

Regards,

Matthias

> Am 25.08.2023 um 15:10 schrieb Eller, Roger via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> It's been a while since I've posted a question here.  Is it possible to use livecode script to merge multiple 1-page PDFs into a multipage PDF without using Acrobat or other 3rd party software?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> ~Roger
> 
> 
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From marksmithhfx at gmail.com  Fri Aug 25 11:24:08 2023
From: marksmithhfx at gmail.com (Mark Smith)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2023 16:24:08 +0100
Subject: OT - Mac Notarization Problem - Desperation setting in
In-Reply-To: <6B0CBBC2-5759-4E5F-B9D2-43CFC50D0CC0@buffalo.edu>
References: <65E7119E-1DA1-43DC-B667-F90F7F249CFD@buffalo.edu>
 <9DE2E7AD-8AFF-4DAF-A8E3-3F1063F6C912@livecode.com>
 <6B0CBBC2-5759-4E5F-B9D2-43CFC50D0CC0@buffalo.edu>
Message-ID: <53FADCF6-21F5-4F09-9F54-983E184F56A0@gmail.com>

Hi Tim,

Codesigning is (as you probably know) one of the tricker bits of building an app for distribution (and I’ve certainly had my share of failures and frustrations along the way). I am following this thread closely so if you don’t mind sharing, I’d be interested in hearing what the solution is, once you’ve found it. 

Cheers and best of luck,
Mark

> On 25 Aug 2023, at 3:37 pm, Timothy Bleiler via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Thank you Heather,
> 
> I’ll take a look.  Matthias Rebbe is also trying to help me find the problem.
> 
> Regards,
> Tim Bleiler
> 
> 
> 
>> On Aug 25, 2023, at 4:13 AM, Heather Laine via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Tim - codesigning is not my expertise but failed password credentials I deal with frequently :). A possible gotcha is that your password is saved to your keychain, and then, if you change it, the changed password is overwritten by the saved password, invisibly since the password is hidden when entered. I would recommend deleting all saved passwords from your keychain for your certificates etc, and re-entering them to eliminate this possibility.
>> 
>> Probably not the issue but you never know...
>> 
>> Best Regards,
>> 
>> Heather
>> 
>> Heather Laine
>> Customer Services Manager
>> LiveCode Ltd
>> http://www.livecode.com/ <http://www.livecode.com/>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 24 Aug 2023, at 18:02, Timothy Bleiler via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I believe the problem I’m having is either on Apple’s end or something with my local configuration but Apple has not been very helpful and I’m running out of ideas, so I’m turning to the wealth of experience on this list in desperation.
>>> 
>>> I’ve been using the lessons from  Matthias Rebbe and V4 of his handy mrSignNotarizeHelper stack.
>>> Code signing seems to work fine but when I get to the Notarization step I always get an
>>> "Error: HTTP status code: 401. Invalid credentials. Username or password is incorrect.
>>> 
>>> I’m on an M1 Mac with OS 13.4.1, Xcode 14.3.1 is installed, Livecode 9.6.9.
>>> 
>>> So far, this is what I’ve tried with the same result
>>> 
>>> 1) Verified developer account in good status with Apple
>>> 2) Multiple checks of my credentials (Apple ID, team ID, app-specific password) on Apple's developer and ID sites,
>>> 3) Multiple checks of my credentials in the parameters I’m using
>>> 4) Setting up a new app specific password on my account
>>> 5) Trying with a different Livecode application
>>> 6 Trying everything manually in Terminal. (What is apparent is any subcommands of NotaryTool (e.g. submit, store-credentials) using my credentials fail with the same error.
>>> 
>>> 7) Repeat everything on a brand new user account on my Mac
>>> 8) Sought help through devprograms at apple.com<mailto:devprograms at apple.com>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I’ve done codesigning and notarization many times before with the same developer account with no issues.
>>> What’s new here for me is using NotaryTool and the app-specific password.
>>> 
>>> I realize this is a long shot but I’m stuck, so it would be great if anyone has any suggestions for solving this problem (even some detail I may have missed in the steps I’ve already taken)
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Tim Bleiler, Ph.D.
>>> Instructional Designer, HSIT
>>> University at Buffalo
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> 
>> 
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From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Fri Aug 25 14:16:01 2023
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2023 20:16:01 +0200
Subject: Merging PDF pages
In-Reply-To: <AB43A066-941B-4B57-A1DC-311C27E8EFD9@m-r-d.de>
References: <BN8PR14MB2913ED08DBE6439CD248F041AFE3A@BN8PR14MB2913.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
 <AB43A066-941B-4B57-A1DC-311C27E8EFD9@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <37B87F81-5AC8-40C7-AA0D-E518B7688A12@m-r-d.de>

Just noticed that my steps are missing something.
So here's version 2 of it.

1. download
https://www.pdflabs.com/tools/pdftk-the-pdf-toolkit/pdftk_server-2.02-mac_osx-10.11-setup.pkg

2. to extract the pkg run the following in Terminal
pkgutil --expand <source path of pkg>  <destinaltion path>

If the source path to the pkg contains spaces then put quotes around the path.

3. Now open the destination path to which you've extracted the .pkg. There should be another pkg pdftk.pkg

4. right click the file pdftk.pkg  and select "show package content"

5. Now you should see a file payload. Right click that file and select "open with" and select the archive utility to decompress the file payload.

6. After extraction you'll find a new folder "Payload 2"

7. open that folder. In that folder you will find the Lib and Bin folder. Copy those folder to another location.

Now in LC you can use shell shell function to call the pdftk

Example
set the folder to "path to the bin folder"

put shell("./pdftk  file1.pdf file2.pdf file3.pdf cat output mynewfile.pdf")


would create combine the three file..pdf file into a new one called mynewfile.pdf

To use pdftk server in your standalone  you just have to include both folders in your standalone.


On Windows you first have to run the setup of pdftk server. During the installation you can select the folder where pdftk server shall be installed. You then can copy the bin folder from that installation folder
and use it with your standalone on any other computer without the need to run the setup on that computer.




> Am 25.08.2023 um 17:00 schrieb matthias rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> On which OS are you planning to do this?
> 
> On Windows and macOS you could make use of PDFTK server from PDFLabs.com <http://pdflabs.com/>
> 
> On macOS  PDFTK Server normally  has to be installed to use it. But you could follow these steps here to get it working w/o installation.
> 
> 1. Do not use the d/l link for pdftk Server from the pdfLabs website. That version will not work on macOS11 and up. Instead download this version of PDFTK Server. Sid Steward created a new version but did not update the d/l link
> https://www.pdflabs.com/tools/pdftk-the-pdf-toolkit/pdftk_server-2.02-mac_osx-10.11-setup.pkg
> 
> 2. to extract the pkg run the following in Terminal
> pkgutil --expand <source path of pkg>  <destinaltion path>
> 
> If the source path to the pkg contains spaces then put quotes around the path.
> 
> After extraction you'll find the 2 folders lib and bin and some others .The 2 mentioned ones are needed. 
> 
> Now in LC you can use shell shell function to call the pdftk
> 
> Example
> set the folder to "path to the bin folder"
> 
> put shell("./pdftk  file1.pdf file2.pdf file3.pdf cat output mynewfile.pdf")
> 
> 
> would create combine the three file..pdf file into a new one called mynewfile.pdf
> 
> 
> I wrote this in a hurry, so i might have some error in my explanation. Just ask, if you have problems.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Matthias
> 
>> Am 25.08.2023 um 15:10 schrieb Eller, Roger via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>> 
>> It's been a while since I've posted a question here.  Is it possible to use livecode script to merge multiple 1-page PDFs into a multipage PDF without using Acrobat or other 3rd party software?
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> ~Roger
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> 
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From scott at elementarysoftware.com  Fri Aug 25 14:38:42 2023
From: scott at elementarysoftware.com (scott at elementarysoftware.com)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2023 11:38:42 -0700
Subject: OT - Mac Notarization Problem - Desperation setting in
In-Reply-To: <53FADCF6-21F5-4F09-9F54-983E184F56A0@gmail.com>
References: <65E7119E-1DA1-43DC-B667-F90F7F249CFD@buffalo.edu>
 <9DE2E7AD-8AFF-4DAF-A8E3-3F1063F6C912@livecode.com>
 <6B0CBBC2-5759-4E5F-B9D2-43CFC50D0CC0@buffalo.edu>
 <53FADCF6-21F5-4F09-9F54-983E184F56A0@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2C904D9D-C5D8-4E6F-A61F-2650ECCC49FA@elementarysoftware.com>

I use Matthias' brilliant “mrSignNotarizeHelperV4.livecode” project regularly and when I’ve had a problem in the past, ticking the “Debug mode” checkbox (which places each step of the terminal commands in the message box when you click the “Start” button) and then manually entering each of these steps as a command line in Terminal.app, has been helpful in figuring out exactly what step was failing. And sometimes, why.

--
Scott Morrow

Elementary Software
(Now with 20% less chalk dust!)
web       https://elementarysoftware.com/
email     scott at elementarysoftware.com
booth    1-360-734-4701
------------------------------------------------------

> On Aug 25, 2023, at 8:24 AM, Mark Smith via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim,
> 
> Codesigning is (as you probably know) one of the tricker bits of building an app for distribution (and I’ve certainly had my share of failures and frustrations along the way). I am following this thread closely so if you don’t mind sharing, I’d be interested in hearing what the solution is, once you’ve found it. 
> 
> Cheers and best of luck,
> Mark
> 
>> On 25 Aug 2023, at 3:37 pm, Timothy Bleiler via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Thank you Heather,
>> 
>> I’ll take a look.  Matthias Rebbe is also trying to help me find the problem.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Tim Bleiler
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 25, 2023, at 4:13 AM, Heather Laine via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Tim - codesigning is not my expertise but failed password credentials I deal with frequently :). A possible gotcha is that your password is saved to your keychain, and then, if you change it, the changed password is overwritten by the saved password, invisibly since the password is hidden when entered. I would recommend deleting all saved passwords from your keychain for your certificates etc, and re-entering them to eliminate this possibility.
>>> 
>>> Probably not the issue but you never know...
>>> 
>>> Best Regards,
>>> 
>>> Heather
>>> 
>>> Heather Laine
>>> Customer Services Manager
>>> LiveCode Ltd
>>> http://www.livecode.com/ <http://www.livecode.com/>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 24 Aug 2023, at 18:02, Timothy Bleiler via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> 
>>>> I believe the problem I’m having is either on Apple’s end or something with my local configuration but Apple has not been very helpful and I’m running out of ideas, so I’m turning to the wealth of experience on this list in desperation.
>>>> 
>>>> I’ve been using the lessons from  Matthias Rebbe and V4 of his handy mrSignNotarizeHelper stack.
>>>> Code signing seems to work fine but when I get to the Notarization step I always get an
>>>> "Error: HTTP status code: 401. Invalid credentials. Username or password is incorrect.
>>>> 
>>>> I’m on an M1 Mac with OS 13.4.1, Xcode 14.3.1 is installed, Livecode 9.6.9.
>>>> 
>>>> So far, this is what I’ve tried with the same result
>>>> 
>>>> 1) Verified developer account in good status with Apple
>>>> 2) Multiple checks of my credentials (Apple ID, team ID, app-specific password) on Apple's developer and ID sites,
>>>> 3) Multiple checks of my credentials in the parameters I’m using
>>>> 4) Setting up a new app specific password on my account
>>>> 5) Trying with a different Livecode application
>>>> 6 Trying everything manually in Terminal. (What is apparent is any subcommands of NotaryTool (e.g. submit, store-credentials) using my credentials fail with the same error.
>>>> 
>>>> 7) Repeat everything on a brand new user account on my Mac
>>>> 8) Sought help through devprograms at apple.com<mailto:devprograms at apple.com>
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I’ve done codesigning and notarization many times before with the same developer account with no issues.
>>>> What’s new here for me is using NotaryTool and the app-specific password.
>>>> 
>>>> I realize this is a long shot but I’m stuck, so it would be great if anyone has any suggestions for solving this problem (even some detail I may have missed in the steps I’ve already taken)
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> 
>>>> Tim Bleiler, Ph.D.
>>>> Instructional Designer, HSIT
>>>> University at Buffalo
>>>> 








From bleiler at buffalo.edu  Fri Aug 25 16:34:24 2023
From: bleiler at buffalo.edu (Timothy Bleiler)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2023 20:34:24 +0000
Subject: OT - Mac Notarization Problem - Desperation setting in
In-Reply-To: <2C904D9D-C5D8-4E6F-A61F-2650ECCC49FA@elementarysoftware.com>
References: <65E7119E-1DA1-43DC-B667-F90F7F249CFD@buffalo.edu>
 <9DE2E7AD-8AFF-4DAF-A8E3-3F1063F6C912@livecode.com>
 <6B0CBBC2-5759-4E5F-B9D2-43CFC50D0CC0@buffalo.edu>
 <53FADCF6-21F5-4F09-9F54-983E184F56A0@gmail.com>
 <2C904D9D-C5D8-4E6F-A61F-2650ECCC49FA@elementarysoftware.com>
Message-ID: <F831C52C-885B-4B0D-A941-857020E0EEE1@buffalo.edu>

I think I’ve solved it.  I’m very grateful to Matthias both for his code signing tool and his personal help with this problem.

In the end it looks like the trouble was caused by a combination of my limited experience with the process and a lack of helpful feedback from Apple’s online tools at critical points.

Here’s what happened.
- I have 2 user accounts on my Mac that use different Apple IDs.

- Somehow the one I use for the Apple developer account had made my Mac NOT a trusted device for the Apple ID I use for development. I have no idea how this happened.
You can verify that your device is trusted at appleid.apple.com<http://appleid.apple.com/> for your account under “Devices”.

- Despite the device not being trusted for the account, the website let me think I’d created an app-specific password. I hadn’t succeed, but my lack of experience prevented me from realizing that the second step of the process is getting the actual password back from Apple and copying it down.  I didn’t get anything, no error message, so in my ignorance I thought the seed string I’d typed in WAS the password. So, I did NOT have an actual app-specific password to use in the NotaryTool commands. This caused all commands dependent on an app-specific password to fail.

What solved it for me was to go to System Settings, sign out of the Apple account on the mac and sign back in again.
Then sign back in to appleid.apple.com<http://appleid.apple.com/>, verify that my Mac was a trusted device on my developer account and then create a NEW app-specific password.
This time I saw the second part when they send the actual password. I think you need to copy this down because I don’t see any way to recover it again later.

Once I had the new app-specific password and my Mac was a trusted device in my developer account, the notaryTool commands worked without errors.

It all makes me long for the days when we could easily pass around Hypercard stacks for the fun of it!!



On Aug 25, 2023, at 2:38 PM, scott--- via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

I use Matthias' brilliant “mrSignNotarizeHelperV4.livecode” project regularly and when I’ve had a problem in the past, ticking the “Debug mode” checkbox (which places each step of the terminal commands in the message box when you click the “Start” button) and then manually entering each of these steps as a command line in Terminal.app, has been helpful in figuring out exactly what step was failing. And sometimes, why.

--
Scott Morrow

Elementary Software
(Now with 20% less chalk dust!)
web       https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Felementarysoftware.com%2F&data=05%7C01%7Cbleiler%40buffalo.edu%7Ccc7afb2eab1b4bcb60b608dba59aa569%7C96464a8af8ed40b199e25f6b50a20250%7C0%7C0%7C638285855863548154%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=%2Fk0TjFvUmYt2BZ9CqydNyA9ZZx34rwuZC3FiprBPQ4s%3D&reserved=0
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On Aug 25, 2023, at 8:24 AM, Mark Smith via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

Hi Tim,

Codesigning is (as you probably know) one of the tricker bits of building an app for distribution (and I’ve certainly had my share of failures and frustrations along the way). I am following this thread closely so if you don’t mind sharing, I’d be interested in hearing what the solution is, once you’ve found it.

Cheers and best of luck,
Mark

On 25 Aug 2023, at 3:37 pm, Timothy Bleiler via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

Thank you Heather,

I’ll take a look.  Matthias Rebbe is also trying to help me find the problem.

Regards,
Tim Bleiler



On Aug 25, 2023, at 4:13 AM, Heather Laine via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:

Tim - codesigning is not my expertise but failed password credentials I deal with frequently :). A possible gotcha is that your password is saved to your keychain, and then, if you change it, the changed password is overwritten by the saved password, invisibly since the password is hidden when entered. I would recommend deleting all saved passwords from your keychain for your certificates etc, and re-entering them to eliminate this possibility.

Probably not the issue but you never know...

Best Regards,

Heather

Heather Laine
Customer Services Manager
LiveCode Ltd
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On 24 Aug 2023, at 18:02, Timothy Bleiler via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

Hi all,

I believe the problem I’m having is either on Apple’s end or something with my local configuration but Apple has not been very helpful and I’m running out of ideas, so I’m turning to the wealth of experience on this list in desperation.

I’ve been using the lessons from  Matthias Rebbe and V4 of his handy mrSignNotarizeHelper stack.
Code signing seems to work fine but when I get to the Notarization step I always get an
"Error: HTTP status code: 401. Invalid credentials. Username or password is incorrect.

I’m on an M1 Mac with OS 13.4.1, Xcode 14.3.1 is installed, Livecode 9.6.9.

So far, this is what I’ve tried with the same result

1) Verified developer account in good status with Apple
2) Multiple checks of my credentials (Apple ID, team ID, app-specific password) on Apple's developer and ID sites,
3) Multiple checks of my credentials in the parameters I’m using
4) Setting up a new app specific password on my account
5) Trying with a different Livecode application
6 Trying everything manually in Terminal. (What is apparent is any subcommands of NotaryTool (e.g. submit, store-credentials) using my credentials fail with the same error.

7) Repeat everything on a brand new user account on my Mac
8) Sought help through devprograms at apple.com<mailto:devprograms at apple.com>


I’ve done codesigning and notarization many times before with the same developer account with no issues.
What’s new here for me is using NotaryTool and the app-specific password.

I realize this is a long shot but I’m stuck, so it would be great if anyone has any suggestions for solving this problem (even some detail I may have missed in the steps I’ve already taken)

Thanks,

Tim Bleiler, Ph.D.
Instructional Designer, HSIT
University at Buffalo








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From bleiler at buffalo.edu  Fri Aug 25 16:41:28 2023
From: bleiler at buffalo.edu (Timothy Bleiler)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2023 20:41:28 +0000
Subject: OT - Mac Notarization Problem - Desperation setting in
In-Reply-To: <F831C52C-885B-4B0D-A941-857020E0EEE1@buffalo.edu>
References: <65E7119E-1DA1-43DC-B667-F90F7F249CFD@buffalo.edu>
 <9DE2E7AD-8AFF-4DAF-A8E3-3F1063F6C912@livecode.com>
 <6B0CBBC2-5759-4E5F-B9D2-43CFC50D0CC0@buffalo.edu>
 <53FADCF6-21F5-4F09-9F54-983E184F56A0@gmail.com>
 <2C904D9D-C5D8-4E6F-A61F-2650ECCC49FA@elementarysoftware.com>
 <F831C52C-885B-4B0D-A941-857020E0EEE1@buffalo.edu>
Message-ID: <6268B1CD-DE82-4979-814A-B3914DDFB456@buffalo.edu>

It’s just not my day.  The goofy links in my last post are just supposed to be references to the appleID site.  I don’t know how all the rest of that got put in there.
I’ve got to be more careful with my copy and paste I guess.



> On Aug 25, 2023, at 4:34 PM, Timothy Bleiler via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> I think I’ve solved it.  I’m very grateful to Matthias both for his code signing tool and his personal help with this problem.
>
> In the end it looks like the trouble was caused by a combination of my limited experience with the process and a lack of helpful feedback from Apple’s online tools at critical points.
>
> Here’s what happened.
> - I have 2 user accounts on my Mac that use different Apple IDs.
>
> - Somehow the one I use for the Apple developer account had made my Mac NOT a trusted device for the Apple ID I use for development. I have no idea how this happened.
> You can verify that your device is trusted at appleid.apple.com<http://appleid.apple.com/> for your account under “Devices”.
>
> - Despite the device not being trusted for the account, the website let me think I’d created an app-specific password. I hadn’t succeed, but my lack of experience prevented me from realizing that the second step of the process is getting the actual password back from Apple and copying it down.  I didn’t get anything, no error message, so in my ignorance I thought the seed string I’d typed in WAS the password. So, I did NOT have an actual app-specific password to use in the NotaryTool commands. This caused all commands dependent on an app-specific password to fail.
>
> What solved it for me was to go to System Settings, sign out of the Apple account on the mac and sign back in again.
> Then sign back in to appleid.apple.com<http://appleid.apple.com/>, verify that my Mac was a trusted device on my developer account and then create a NEW app-specific password.
> This time I saw the second part when they send the actual password. I think you need to copy this down because I don’t see any way to recover it again later.
>
> Once I had the new app-specific password and my Mac was a trusted device in my developer account, the notaryTool commands worked without errors.
>
> It all makes me long for the days when we could easily pass around Hypercard stacks for the fun of it!!
>
>
>
> On Aug 25, 2023, at 2:38 PM, scott--- via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> I use Matthias' brilliant “mrSignNotarizeHelperV4.livecode” project regularly and when I’ve had a problem in the past, ticking the “Debug mode” checkbox (which places each step of the terminal commands in the message box when you click the “Start” button) and then manually entering each of these steps as a command line in Terminal.app, has been helpful in figuring out exactly what step was failing. And sometimes, why.
>
> --
> Scott Morrow
>
> Elementary Software
> (Now with 20% less chalk dust!)
> web       https://elementarysoftware.com/
> email     scott at elementarysoftware.com
> booth    1-360-734-4701
> ------------------------------------------------------
>
> On Aug 25, 2023, at 8:24 AM, Mark Smith via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Tim,
>
> Codesigning is (as you probably know) one of the tricker bits of building an app for distribution (and I’ve certainly had my share of failures and frustrations along the way). I am following this thread closely so if you don’t mind sharing, I’d be interested in hearing what the solution is, once you’ve found it.
>
> Cheers and best of luck,
> Mark
>
> On 25 Aug 2023, at 3:37 pm, Timothy Bleiler via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> Thank you Heather,
>
> I’ll take a look.  Matthias Rebbe is also trying to help me find the problem.
>
> Regards,
> Tim Bleiler
>
>
>
> On Aug 25, 2023, at 4:13 AM, Heather Laine via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
>
> Tim - codesigning is not my expertise but failed password credentials I deal with frequently :). A possible gotcha is that your password is saved to your keychain, and then, if you change it, the changed password is overwritten by the saved password, invisibly since the password is hidden when entered. I would recommend deleting all saved passwords from your keychain for your certificates etc, and re-entering them to eliminate this possibility.
>
> Probably not the issue but you never know...
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Heather
>
> Heather Laine
> Customer Services Manager
> LiveCode Ltd
> http://www.livecode.com/ <http://www.livecode.com/>
>
>
>
> On 24 Aug 2023, at 18:02, Timothy Bleiler via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I believe the problem I’m having is either on Apple’s end or something with my local configuration but Apple has not been very helpful and I’m running out of ideas, so I’m turning to the wealth of experience on this list in desperation.
>
> I’ve been using the lessons from  Matthias Rebbe and V4 of his handy mrSignNotarizeHelper stack.
> Code signing seems to work fine but when I get to the Notarization step I always get an
> "Error: HTTP status code: 401. Invalid credentials. Username or password is incorrect.
>
> I’m on an M1 Mac with OS 13.4.1, Xcode 14.3.1 is installed, Livecode 9.6.9.
>
> So far, this is what I’ve tried with the same result
>
> 1) Verified developer account in good status with Apple
> 2) Multiple checks of my credentials (Apple ID, team ID, app-specific password) on Apple's developer and ID sites,
> 3) Multiple checks of my credentials in the parameters I’m using
> 4) Setting up a new app specific password on my account
> 5) Trying with a different Livecode application
> 6 Trying everything manually in Terminal. (What is apparent is any subcommands of NotaryTool (e.g. submit, store-credentials) using my credentials fail with the same error.
>
> 7) Repeat everything on a brand new user account on my Mac
> 8) Sought help through devprograms at apple.com<mailto:devprograms at apple.com>
>
>
> I’ve done codesigning and notarization many times before with the same developer account with no issues.
> What’s new here for me is using NotaryTool and the app-specific password.
>
> I realize this is a long shot but I’m stuck, so it would be great if anyone has any suggestions for solving this problem (even some detail I may have missed in the steps I’ve already taken)
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tim Bleiler, Ph.D.
> Instructional Designer, HSIT
> University at Buffalo
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Fri Aug 25 17:00:52 2023
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2023 23:00:52 +0200
Subject: OT - Mac Notarization Problem - Desperation setting in
In-Reply-To: <6268B1CD-DE82-4979-814A-B3914DDFB456@buffalo.edu>
References: <65E7119E-1DA1-43DC-B667-F90F7F249CFD@buffalo.edu>
 <9DE2E7AD-8AFF-4DAF-A8E3-3F1063F6C912@livecode.com>
 <6B0CBBC2-5759-4E5F-B9D2-43CFC50D0CC0@buffalo.edu>
 <53FADCF6-21F5-4F09-9F54-983E184F56A0@gmail.com>
 <2C904D9D-C5D8-4E6F-A61F-2650ECCC49FA@elementarysoftware.com>
 <F831C52C-885B-4B0D-A941-857020E0EEE1@buffalo.edu>
 <6268B1CD-DE82-4979-814A-B3914DDFB456@buffalo.edu>
Message-ID: <FB6DE30A-6998-4458-BA39-A9467AB27D25@m-r-d.de>

If you mean that the the link was shown normal and also in sharp bracktes, then that seems to be normal here in the list.
I noticed this also in the past.


> Am 25.08.2023 um 22:41 schrieb Timothy Bleiler via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> It’s just not my day.  The goofy links in my last post are just supposed to be references to the appleID site.  I don’t know how all the rest of that got put in there.
> I’ve got to be more careful with my copy and paste I guess.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Aug 25, 2023, at 4:34 PM, Timothy Bleiler via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I think I’ve solved it.  I’m very grateful to Matthias both for his code signing tool and his personal help with this problem.
>> 
>> In the end it looks like the trouble was caused by a combination of my limited experience with the process and a lack of helpful feedback from Apple’s online tools at critical points.
>> 
>> Here’s what happened.
>> - I have 2 user accounts on my Mac that use different Apple IDs.
>> 
>> - Somehow the one I use for the Apple developer account had made my Mac NOT a trusted device for the Apple ID I use for development. I have no idea how this happened.
>> You can verify that your device is trusted at appleid.apple.com<http://appleid.apple.com/> for your account under “Devices”.
>> 
>> - Despite the device not being trusted for the account, the website let me think I’d created an app-specific password. I hadn’t succeed, but my lack of experience prevented me from realizing that the second step of the process is getting the actual password back from Apple and copying it down.  I didn’t get anything, no error message, so in my ignorance I thought the seed string I’d typed in WAS the password. So, I did NOT have an actual app-specific password to use in the NotaryTool commands. This caused all commands dependent on an app-specific password to fail.
>> 
>> What solved it for me was to go to System Settings, sign out of the Apple account on the mac and sign back in again.
>> Then sign back in to appleid.apple.com<http://appleid.apple.com/>, verify that my Mac was a trusted device on my developer account and then create a NEW app-specific password.
>> This time I saw the second part when they send the actual password. I think you need to copy this down because I don’t see any way to recover it again later.
>> 
>> Once I had the new app-specific password and my Mac was a trusted device in my developer account, the notaryTool commands worked without errors.
>> 
>> It all makes me long for the days when we could easily pass around Hypercard stacks for the fun of it!!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Aug 25, 2023, at 2:38 PM, scott--- via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I use Matthias' brilliant “mrSignNotarizeHelperV4.livecode” project regularly and when I’ve had a problem in the past, ticking the “Debug mode” checkbox (which places each step of the terminal commands in the message box when you click the “Start” button) and then manually entering each of these steps as a command line in Terminal.app, has been helpful in figuring out exactly what step was failing. And sometimes, why.
>> 
>> --
>> Scott Morrow
>> 
>> Elementary Software
>> (Now with 20% less chalk dust!)
>> web       https://elementarysoftware.com/
>> email     scott at elementarysoftware.com
>> booth    1-360-734-4701
>> ------------------------------------------------------
>> 
>> On Aug 25, 2023, at 8:24 AM, Mark Smith via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Tim,
>> 
>> Codesigning is (as you probably know) one of the tricker bits of building an app for distribution (and I’ve certainly had my share of failures and frustrations along the way). I am following this thread closely so if you don’t mind sharing, I’d be interested in hearing what the solution is, once you’ve found it.
>> 
>> Cheers and best of luck,
>> Mark
>> 
>> On 25 Aug 2023, at 3:37 pm, Timothy Bleiler via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Thank you Heather,
>> 
>> I’ll take a look.  Matthias Rebbe is also trying to help me find the problem.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Tim Bleiler
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Aug 25, 2023, at 4:13 AM, Heather Laine via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Tim - codesigning is not my expertise but failed password credentials I deal with frequently :). A possible gotcha is that your password is saved to your keychain, and then, if you change it, the changed password is overwritten by the saved password, invisibly since the password is hidden when entered. I would recommend deleting all saved passwords from your keychain for your certificates etc, and re-entering them to eliminate this possibility.
>> 
>> Probably not the issue but you never know...
>> 
>> Best Regards,
>> 
>> Heather
>> 
>> Heather Laine
>> Customer Services Manager
>> LiveCode Ltd
>> http://www.livecode.com/ <http://www.livecode.com/>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 24 Aug 2023, at 18:02, Timothy Bleiler via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I believe the problem I’m having is either on Apple’s end or something with my local configuration but Apple has not been very helpful and I’m running out of ideas, so I’m turning to the wealth of experience on this list in desperation.
>> 
>> I’ve been using the lessons from  Matthias Rebbe and V4 of his handy mrSignNotarizeHelper stack.
>> Code signing seems to work fine but when I get to the Notarization step I always get an
>> "Error: HTTP status code: 401. Invalid credentials. Username or password is incorrect.
>> 
>> I’m on an M1 Mac with OS 13.4.1, Xcode 14.3.1 is installed, Livecode 9.6.9.
>> 
>> So far, this is what I’ve tried with the same result
>> 
>> 1) Verified developer account in good status with Apple
>> 2) Multiple checks of my credentials (Apple ID, team ID, app-specific password) on Apple's developer and ID sites,
>> 3) Multiple checks of my credentials in the parameters I’m using
>> 4) Setting up a new app specific password on my account
>> 5) Trying with a different Livecode application
>> 6 Trying everything manually in Terminal. (What is apparent is any subcommands of NotaryTool (e.g. submit, store-credentials) using my credentials fail with the same error.
>> 
>> 7) Repeat everything on a brand new user account on my Mac
>> 8) Sought help through devprograms at apple.com<mailto:devprograms at apple.com>
>> 
>> 
>> I’ve done codesigning and notarization many times before with the same developer account with no issues.
>> What’s new here for me is using NotaryTool and the app-specific password.
>> 
>> I realize this is a long shot but I’m stuck, so it would be great if anyone has any suggestions for solving this problem (even some detail I may have missed in the steps I’ve already taken)
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Tim Bleiler, Ph.D.
>> Instructional Designer, HSIT
>> University at Buffalo
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Aug 25 17:04:46 2023
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2023 21:04:46 +0000
Subject: OT - Mac Notarization Problem - Desperation setting in
In-Reply-To: <F831C52C-885B-4B0D-A941-857020E0EEE1@buffalo.edu>
References: <65E7119E-1DA1-43DC-B667-F90F7F249CFD@buffalo.edu>
 <9DE2E7AD-8AFF-4DAF-A8E3-3F1063F6C912@livecode.com>
 <6B0CBBC2-5759-4E5F-B9D2-43CFC50D0CC0@buffalo.edu>
 <53FADCF6-21F5-4F09-9F54-983E184F56A0@gmail.com>
 <2C904D9D-C5D8-4E6F-A61F-2650ECCC49FA@elementarysoftware.com>
 <F831C52C-885B-4B0D-A941-857020E0EEE1@buffalo.edu>
Message-ID: <94EB6397-D25E-4140-9132-88D7C05F88BB@iotecdigital.com>

Yes, this is the advantage of an. App specific password. It’s unrecoverable by you, and so by anyone else.

Bob S


On Aug 25, 2023, at 1:34 PM, Timothy Bleiler via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

This time I saw the second part when they send the actual password. I think you need to copy this down because I don’t see any way to recover it again later.


From roger.e.eller at sealedair.com  Fri Aug 25 17:15:38 2023
From: roger.e.eller at sealedair.com (Eller, Roger)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2023 21:15:38 +0000
Subject: Merging PDF pages
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References: <BN8PR14MB2913ED08DBE6439CD248F041AFE3A@BN8PR14MB2913.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
 <AB43A066-941B-4B57-A1DC-311C27E8EFD9@m-r-d.de>
 <37B87F81-5AC8-40C7-AA0D-E518B7688A12@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <BN8PR14MB291302D53A3DEBCC13DA19DCAFE3A@BN8PR14MB2913.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>

Thank you for this and all the details, Matthias.  I will give it a try.


~Roger

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Just noticed that my steps are missing something.
So here's version 2 of it.

1. download
https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.pdflabs.com%2Ftools%2Fpdftk-the-pdf-toolkit%2Fpdftk_server-2.02-mac_osx-10.11-setup.pkg&data=05%7C01%7Croger.e.eller%40sealedair.com%7Ce1d5200433404eec54d008dba59780d1%7C2691a2514c384643af0b0c0982f197bd%7C0%7C0%7C638285842350859203%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=tEXnKnbF7xT3GjOMoYKIiM%2Fv3JwkS7pzKRM3op80KMI%3D&reserved=0<https://www.pdflabs.com/tools/pdftk-the-pdf-toolkit/pdftk_server-2.02-mac_osx-10.11-setup.pkg>

2. to extract the pkg run the following in Terminal
pkgutil --expand <source path of pkg>  <destinaltion path>

If the source path to the pkg contains spaces then put quotes around the path.

3. Now open the destination path to which you've extracted the .pkg. There should be another pkg pdftk.pkg

4. right click the file pdftk.pkg  and select "show package content"

5. Now you should see a file payload. Right click that file and select "open with" and select the archive utility to decompress the file payload.

6. After extraction you'll find a new folder "Payload 2"

7. open that folder. In that folder you will find the Lib and Bin folder. Copy those folder to another location.

Now in LC you can use shell shell function to call the pdftk

Example
set the folder to "path to the bin folder"

put shell("./pdftk  file1.pdf file2.pdf file3.pdf cat output mynewfile.pdf")


would create combine the three file..pdf file into a new one called mynewfile.pdf

To use pdftk server in your standalone  you just have to include both folders in your standalone.


On Windows you first have to run the setup of pdftk server. During the installation you can select the folder where pdftk server shall be installed. You then can copy the bin folder from that installation folder
and use it with your standalone on any other computer without the need to run the setup on that computer.




> Am 25.08.2023 um 17:00 schrieb matthias rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>
> On which OS are you planning to do this?
>
> On Windows and macOS you could make use of PDFTK server from PDFLabs.com <https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fpdflabs.com%2F&data=05%7C01%7Croger.e.eller%40sealedair.com%7Ce1d5200433404eec54d008dba59780d1%7C2691a2514c384643af0b0c0982f197bd%7C0%7C0%7C638285842350859203%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=2KHRMuPPbThuEdstyMStYxuVIocIbRsA9yaSB%2Fw%2F7dI%3D&reserved=0<http://pdflabs.com/>>
>
> On macOS  PDFTK Server normally  has to be installed to use it. But you could follow these steps here to get it working w/o installation.
>
> 1. Do not use the d/l link for pdftk Server from the pdfLabs website. That version will not work on macOS11 and up. Instead download this version of PDFTK Server. Sid Steward created a new version but did not update the d/l link
> https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.pdflabs.com%2Ftools%2Fpdftk-the-pdf-toolkit%2Fpdftk_server-2.02-mac_osx-10.11-setup.pkg&data=05%7C01%7Croger.e.eller%40sealedair.com%7Ce1d5200433404eec54d008dba59780d1%7C2691a2514c384643af0b0c0982f197bd%7C0%7C0%7C638285842351015442%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=S5yjsFoOrBWQY%2FKUhQbD6WZxAzuRiBOK6Yrval2H1Q4%3D&reserved=0<https://www.pdflabs.com/tools/pdftk-the-pdf-toolkit/pdftk_server-2.02-mac_osx-10.11-setup.pkg>
>
> 2. to extract the pkg run the following in Terminal
> pkgutil --expand <source path of pkg>  <destinaltion path>
>
> If the source path to the pkg contains spaces then put quotes around the path.
>
> After extraction you'll find the 2 folders lib and bin and some others .The 2 mentioned ones are needed.
>
> Now in LC you can use shell shell function to call the pdftk
>
> Example
> set the folder to "path to the bin folder"
>
> put shell("./pdftk  file1.pdf file2.pdf file3.pdf cat output mynewfile.pdf")
>
>
> would create combine the three file..pdf file into a new one called mynewfile.pdf
>
>
> I wrote this in a hurry, so i might have some error in my explanation. Just ask, if you have problems.
>
> Regards,
>
> Matthias
>
>> Am 25.08.2023 um 15:10 schrieb Eller, Roger via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>
>> It's been a while since I've posted a question here.  Is it possible to use livecode script to merge multiple 1-page PDFs into a multipage PDF without using Acrobat or other 3rd party software?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> ~Roger
>>
>>
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From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Fri Aug 25 17:17:23 2023
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2023 23:17:23 +0200
Subject: OT - Mac Notarization Problem - Desperation setting in
In-Reply-To: <F831C52C-885B-4B0D-A941-857020E0EEE1@buffalo.edu>
References: <65E7119E-1DA1-43DC-B667-F90F7F249CFD@buffalo.edu>
 <9DE2E7AD-8AFF-4DAF-A8E3-3F1063F6C912@livecode.com>
 <6B0CBBC2-5759-4E5F-B9D2-43CFC50D0CC0@buffalo.edu>
 <53FADCF6-21F5-4F09-9F54-983E184F56A0@gmail.com>
 <2C904D9D-C5D8-4E6F-A61F-2650ECCC49FA@elementarysoftware.com>
 <F831C52C-885B-4B0D-A941-857020E0EEE1@buffalo.edu>
Message-ID: <BAB2A19A-961C-49C1-BC13-7A464917169A@m-r-d.de>

Congratulations. Good to know that you could resolve it.

And now you know why wanted to do a remote session to repeat all steps from creating app-specific pw to connecting to apples services. ;)
We could have found out sooner. ;) Unfortunately your security office prohibited the use of Teamviewer. 

Anyway, your are now setup to use Notarytool.

Matthias


> Am 25.08.2023 um 22:34 schrieb Timothy Bleiler via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> I think I’ve solved it.  I’m very grateful to Matthias both for his code signing tool and his personal help with this problem.
> 
> In the end it looks like the trouble was caused by a combination of my limited experience with the process and a lack of helpful feedback from Apple’s online tools at critical points.
> 
> Here’s what happened.
> - I have 2 user accounts on my Mac that use different Apple IDs.
> 
> - Somehow the one I use for the Apple developer account had made my Mac NOT a trusted device for the Apple ID I use for development. I have no idea how this happened.
> You can verify that your device is trusted at appleid.apple.com <http://appleid.apple.com/><http://appleid.apple.com/> for your account under “Devices”.
> 
> - Despite the device not being trusted for the account, the website let me think I’d created an app-specific password. I hadn’t succeed, but my lack of experience prevented me from realizing that the second step of the process is getting the actual password back from Apple and copying it down.  I didn’t get anything, no error message, so in my ignorance I thought the seed string I’d typed in WAS the password. So, I did NOT have an actual app-specific password to use in the NotaryTool commands. This caused all commands dependent on an app-specific password to fail.
> 
> What solved it for me was to go to System Settings, sign out of the Apple account on the mac and sign back in again.
> Then sign back in to appleid.apple.com <http://appleid.apple.com/><http://appleid.apple.com/>, verify that my Mac was a trusted device on my developer account and then create a NEW app-specific password.
> This time I saw the second part when they send the actual password. I think you need to copy this down because I don’t see any way to recover it again later.
> 
> Once I had the new app-specific password and my Mac was a trusted device in my developer account, the notaryTool commands worked without errors.
> 
> It all makes me long for the days when we could easily pass around Hypercard stacks for the fun of it!!
> 
> 

From bleiler at buffalo.edu  Fri Aug 25 17:27:49 2023
From: bleiler at buffalo.edu (Timothy Bleiler)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2023 21:27:49 +0000
Subject: OT - Mac Notarization Problem - Desperation setting in
In-Reply-To: <BAB2A19A-961C-49C1-BC13-7A464917169A@m-r-d.de>
References: <65E7119E-1DA1-43DC-B667-F90F7F249CFD@buffalo.edu>
 <9DE2E7AD-8AFF-4DAF-A8E3-3F1063F6C912@livecode.com>
 <6B0CBBC2-5759-4E5F-B9D2-43CFC50D0CC0@buffalo.edu>
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 <2C904D9D-C5D8-4E6F-A61F-2650ECCC49FA@elementarysoftware.com>
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Yes Matthias, I figured you had a good reason so I went back into the account and checked every single thing very carefully.  When I saw that my device was not trusted I figured THAT had to be fixed!!
Then I just followed your suggestion to redo everything and that’s when I learned about how the app-specific password actually works.
I don’t know if I’d have figured it out without your help!!

On Aug 25, 2023, at 5:17 PM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

And now you know why wanted to do a remote session to repeat all steps from creating app-specific pw to connecting to apples services. ;)
We could have found out sooner. ;) Unfortunately your security office prohibited the use of Teamviewer.



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Aug 25 20:07:06 2023
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2023 19:07:06 -0500
Subject: Microsoft app store
Message-ID: <18a2f2a7410.2814.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>

Has anyone submitted a Windows app to the Microsoft store? I have a lead 
and if it pans out I'd like to know if there's a resource available here. 
Nothing is set yet but I'm thinking ahead.

--
Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com




From dochawk at gmail.com  Sat Aug 26 13:44:44 2023
From: dochawk at gmail.com (doc hawk)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2023 10:44:44 -0700
Subject: Merging PDF pages
In-Reply-To: <89e805a0-da4d-4468-ac39-f79d31e2268e@gmail.com>
References: <BN8PR14MB2913ED08DBE6439CD248F041AFE3A@BN8PR14MB2913.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
 <6409CAFB-BDFC-4F1B-9838-5EBAEA51624B@starfirelighting.com>
 <0A45F528-142B-4FCE-A5E4-CC935D256AFB@starfirelighting.com>
 <89e805a0-da4d-4468-ac39-f79d31e2268e@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANQHZSEgq-U9WHDTfb_sUSrT3LqZ3WSQudH04+htiKs30vLPJQ@mail.gmail.com>

richard reasoned

be aware that you will lose one the most valuable things about a PDF
document: the embedded text layer.


Oh, no, there’s something more valuable, which you also lose:  anything
over 72 dpi!

I played with a pdf library for python for a bit, as well as raw pdf,
without much luck.

From paul at researchware.com  Sun Aug 27 15:43:27 2023
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2023 15:43:27 -0400
Subject: Adding and delete a row of data to the Polygrid
Message-ID: <8ca7cfd4-8958-d429-f2a5-325fb49cf388@researchware.com>

I ran into an inconsistency with the Polygrid

The Polygrid property pgDataOfRow returns the data for the row indicated 
by what pgInternalPointer is set to. The pgData of the Polygrid is a 2D 
array of the form array[n][columnName]value and pgDataOfRow returns a 1D 
array of the form array[columnName]value.

Now the properties "AddDataAfter" (or "AddDataBefore") to add a row of 
data to the Polygrid After )or Before) the row pointed to by 
pgInternalPointer expects a 2D array of the same form as pgData or 
array[n][columnName]value.

So, consider the follow use case where you want to remove a row of data 
(the last row of a table) that displays subtotals for each column but 
then later (upon some user action or whatever) you want to add it back

       put the numberOfRows      of widget "rwTableview" into N
       set the pgInternalPointer of widget "rwTableview" to N
       put the pgDataOfRow       of widget "rwTableview" into 
sColSubtotalArray -- save the subtotal row in the form 
sColSubtotalArray[columnName]value, a 1D array
       set the pgDeleteRow       of widget "rwTableview" to N -- delete 
the subtotal row

And now you want to add it back
       put the numberOfRows      of widget "rwTableview" into N
       set the pgInternalPointer of widget "rwTableview" to N
       set the addDataAfter      of widget "rwTableview" to 
sColSubtotalArray

That LAST line (addDataAfter) will fail since the array saved by the 
pgDataOfRow is a 1D array and addDataAfter expects a 2D array. If could 
a simple repeat look through the keys of sColSubtotalArry will let you 
build a new 2D array with 1 row and the columns being the keys or column 
names, so it is not hard to convert, but SHOULD YOU HAVE TO?

You can convert with
       put the number lines of the keys of sColSubtotalArray into N
       repeat for each key tKey in sColSubtotalArray
         put sColSubtotalArray[tKey] into tA[1][tKey]
       end repeat
      -- tA is now in the format that the addDataAfter property of the 
Polygrid requires.

I am not sure this is a BUG. It is certainly an inconsistency and 
changing it would break some current code. On the other hand, the 
Polygrid is part of the widget set for Xavvi/Livecode Create and the 
goal for that tool is to have things be super easy and super intuitive 
for beginners (non-code or low-code app building) so I think beginners 
would find thsi jarring.

So, is it a bug? What does the community think?


From hechris at ziggo.nl  Mon Aug 28 06:02:11 2023
From: hechris at ziggo.nl (Chris Heidecker)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2023 12:02:11 +0200
Subject: Merging PDF pages
In-Reply-To: <BN8PR14MB291302D53A3DEBCC13DA19DCAFE3A@BN8PR14MB2913.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BN8PR14MB2913ED08DBE6439CD248F041AFE3A@BN8PR14MB2913.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
 <AB43A066-941B-4B57-A1DC-311C27E8EFD9@m-r-d.de>
 <37B87F81-5AC8-40C7-AA0D-E518B7688A12@m-r-d.de>
 <BN8PR14MB291302D53A3DEBCC13DA19DCAFE3A@BN8PR14MB2913.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <6B873E55-C762-45C1-A2EF-6CD3E940CAE8@ziggo.nl>

Hi,

While applescript is still around, you could use this script. Works pretty well.

https://www.macscripter.net/t/applescript-objective-c-handler-to-merge-pdf-files/72534

Regards,
Chis Heidecker


use scripting additions
use framework "Foundation"
use framework "Quartz" -- required for PDF stuff

set inFiles to (choose file of type {"pdf"} with prompt "Choose your PDF files:" with multiple selections allowed)
set destPosixPath to POSIX path of (choose file name default name "Combined.pdf" with prompt "Save new PDF to:")
its combineFiles:inFiles savingTo:destPosixPath

on combineFiles:inFiles savingTo:destPosixPath
-- make URL of the first PDF
set inNSURL to current application's class "NSURL"'s fileURLWithPath:(POSIX path of item 1 of inFiles)
-- make PDF document from the URL
set theDoc to current application's PDFDocument's alloc()'s initWithURL:inNSURL
-- loop through the rest
set oldDocCount to theDoc's pageCount()
set inFiles to rest of inFiles
repeat with aFile in inFiles
-- make URL of the next PDF
set inNSURL to (current application's class "NSURL"'s fileURLWithPath:(POSIX path of aFile))
-- make PDF document from the URL
set newDoc to (current application's PDFDocument's alloc()'s initWithURL:inNSURL)
-- loop through, moving pages
set newDocCount to newDoc's pageCount()
repeat with i from 1 to newDocCount
-- get page of old PDF
set thePDFPage to (newDoc's pageAtIndex:(i - 1)) -- zero-based indexes
-- insert the page
(theDoc's insertPage:thePDFPage atIndex:oldDocCount)
set oldDocCount to oldDocCount + 1
end repeat
end repeat
set outNSURL to current application's class "NSURL"'s fileURLWithPath:destPosixPath
-- save the new PDF
(theDoc's writeToURL:outNSURL)
end combineFiles:savingTo:



> Op 25 aug. 2023, om 23:15 heeft Eller, Roger via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> het volgende geschreven:
> 
> Thank you for this and all the details, Matthias.  I will give it a try.
> 
> 
> ~Roger
> 
> ________________________________
> From: use-livecode <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com> on behalf of matthias rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Sent: Friday, August 25, 2023 2:16 PM
> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Cc: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de <matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de>
> Subject: Re: Merging PDF pages
> 
> 
> CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe.
> 
> 
> 
> Just noticed that my steps are missing something.
> So here's version 2 of it.
> 
> 1. download
> https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.pdflabs.com%2Ftools%2Fpdftk-the-pdf-toolkit%2Fpdftk_server-2.02-mac_osx-10.11-setup.pkg&data=05%7C01%7Croger.e.eller%40sealedair.com%7Ce1d5200433404eec54d008dba59780d1%7C2691a2514c384643af0b0c0982f197bd%7C0%7C0%7C638285842350859203%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=tEXnKnbF7xT3GjOMoYKIiM%2Fv3JwkS7pzKRM3op80KMI%3D&reserved=0<https://www.pdflabs.com/tools/pdftk-the-pdf-toolkit/pdftk_server-2.02-mac_osx-10.11-setup.pkg>
> 
> 2. to extract the pkg run the following in Terminal
> pkgutil --expand <source path of pkg>  <destinaltion path>
> 
> If the source path to the pkg contains spaces then put quotes around the path.
> 
> 3. Now open the destination path to which you've extracted the .pkg. There should be another pkg pdftk.pkg
> 
> 4. right click the file pdftk.pkg  and select "show package content"
> 
> 5. Now you should see a file payload. Right click that file and select "open with" and select the archive utility to decompress the file payload.
> 
> 6. After extraction you'll find a new folder "Payload 2"
> 
> 7. open that folder. In that folder you will find the Lib and Bin folder. Copy those folder to another location.
> 
> Now in LC you can use shell shell function to call the pdftk
> 
> Example
> set the folder to "path to the bin folder"
> 
> put shell("./pdftk  file1.pdf file2.pdf file3.pdf cat output mynewfile.pdf")
> 
> 
> would create combine the three file..pdf file into a new one called mynewfile.pdf
> 
> To use pdftk server in your standalone  you just have to include both folders in your standalone.
> 
> 
> On Windows you first have to run the setup of pdftk server. During the installation you can select the folder where pdftk server shall be installed. You then can copy the bin folder from that installation folder
> and use it with your standalone on any other computer without the need to run the setup on that computer.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> Am 25.08.2023 um 17:00 schrieb matthias rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>> 
>> On which OS are you planning to do this?
>> 
>> On Windows and macOS you could make use of PDFTK server from PDFLabs.com <https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fpdflabs.com%2F&data=05%7C01%7Croger.e.eller%40sealedair.com%7Ce1d5200433404eec54d008dba59780d1%7C2691a2514c384643af0b0c0982f197bd%7C0%7C0%7C638285842350859203%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=2KHRMuPPbThuEdstyMStYxuVIocIbRsA9yaSB%2Fw%2F7dI%3D&reserved=0<http://pdflabs.com/>>
>> 
>> On macOS  PDFTK Server normally  has to be installed to use it. But you could follow these steps here to get it working w/o installation.
>> 
>> 1. Do not use the d/l link for pdftk Server from the pdfLabs website. That version will not work on macOS11 and up. Instead download this version of PDFTK Server. Sid Steward created a new version but did not update the d/l link
>> https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.pdflabs.com%2Ftools%2Fpdftk-the-pdf-toolkit%2Fpdftk_server-2.02-mac_osx-10.11-setup.pkg&data=05%7C01%7Croger.e.eller%40sealedair.com%7Ce1d5200433404eec54d008dba59780d1%7C2691a2514c384643af0b0c0982f197bd%7C0%7C0%7C638285842351015442%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=S5yjsFoOrBWQY%2FKUhQbD6WZxAzuRiBOK6Yrval2H1Q4%3D&reserved=0<https://www.pdflabs.com/tools/pdftk-the-pdf-toolkit/pdftk_server-2.02-mac_osx-10.11-setup.pkg>
>> 
>> 2. to extract the pkg run the following in Terminal
>> pkgutil --expand <source path of pkg>  <destinaltion path>
>> 
>> If the source path to the pkg contains spaces then put quotes around the path.
>> 
>> After extraction you'll find the 2 folders lib and bin and some others .The 2 mentioned ones are needed.
>> 
>> Now in LC you can use shell shell function to call the pdftk
>> 
>> Example
>> set the folder to "path to the bin folder"
>> 
>> put shell("./pdftk  file1.pdf file2.pdf file3.pdf cat output mynewfile.pdf")
>> 
>> 
>> would create combine the three file..pdf file into a new one called mynewfile.pdf
>> 
>> 
>> I wrote this in a hurry, so i might have some error in my explanation. Just ask, if you have problems.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Matthias
>> 
>>> Am 25.08.2023 um 15:10 schrieb Eller, Roger via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>> 
>>> It's been a while since I've posted a question here.  Is it possible to use livecode script to merge multiple 1-page PDFs into a multipage PDF without using Acrobat or other 3rd party software?
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> ~Roger
>>> 
>>> 
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From alex at tweedly.net  Mon Aug 28 07:28:08 2023
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2023 12:28:08 +0100
Subject: Adding and delete a row of data to the Polygrid
In-Reply-To: <8ca7cfd4-8958-d429-f2a5-325fb49cf388@researchware.com>
References: <8ca7cfd4-8958-d429-f2a5-325fb49cf388@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <16800d67-52f1-4163-b3be-0293c2b17318@tweedly.net>


On 27/08/2023 20:43, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
> I ran into an inconsistency with the Polygrid
> ...
> I am not sure this is a BUG. It is certainly an inconsistency and 
> changing it would break some current code. On the other hand, the 
> Polygrid is part of the widget set for Xavvi/Livecode Create and the 
> goal for that tool is to have things be super easy and super intuitive 
> for beginners (non-code or low-code app building) so I think beginners 
> would find thsi jarring.
>
> So, is it a bug? What does the community think?

I'd say it's definitely not a bug.

It may be a "missing feature". There is an asymmetry, in that there are 
ways to

- extract one row

- delete one row

but only

- add multiple rows.

You could make a case for adding a feature to "add a single row". But I 
wouldn't bother,  because it's already so easy - see below.

You suggested converting by

>       repeat for each key tKey in sColSubtotalArray
>         put sColSubtotalArray[tKey] into tA[1][tKey]
>       end repeat
>      -- tA is now in the format that the addDataAfter property of the 
> Polygrid requires. 

The latest LC has the additional feauture of "automatic" sequences; i.e.

   put [ sColSubtotalArray ] into tA

So, in fact you would simply do

>       put the numberOfRows    of widget "rwTableview" into N
>       set the pgInternalPointer of widget "rwTableview" to N
>       set the addDataAfter       of widget "rwTableview" to [ 
> sColSubtotalArray]

Alex.




From paul at researchware.com  Mon Aug 28 08:32:14 2023
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2023 08:32:14 -0400
Subject: Adding and delete a row of data to the Polygrid
In-Reply-To: <16800d67-52f1-4163-b3be-0293c2b17318@tweedly.net>
References: <8ca7cfd4-8958-d429-f2a5-325fb49cf388@researchware.com>
 <16800d67-52f1-4163-b3be-0293c2b17318@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <1e7b2270-e8c3-bd61-ac85-57d7ba9064e5@researchware.com>

On 8/28/2023 7:28 AM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:
> The latest LC has the additional feauture of "automatic" sequences; i.e.

Is that LC 10.0.0dp5 or LC 9.6.9 or 9.6.10rc1, which 'latest' version?


From alex at tweedly.net  Mon Aug 28 09:35:53 2023
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2023 14:35:53 +0100
Subject: Adding and delete a row of data to the Polygrid
In-Reply-To: <1e7b2270-e8c3-bd61-ac85-57d7ba9064e5@researchware.com>
References: <1e7b2270-e8c3-bd61-ac85-57d7ba9064e5@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <3E7422D0-0C09-4EA0-9A62-85F90EE8851A@tweedly.net>

Sorry, I meant 10.x

In 9.x you could do

  put sColSubtotalArray  into tA[1]
  set the addDataAfter  of widget         "rwTableview" to tA

Alex 

Sent from my iPhone

> On 28 Aug 2023, at 13:33, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> On 8/28/2023 7:28 AM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:
>> The latest LC has the additional feauture of "automatic" sequences; i.e.
> 
> Is that LC 10.0.0dp5 or LC 9.6.9 or 9.6.10rc1, which 'latest' version?
> 
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From paul at researchware.com  Mon Aug 28 11:30:46 2023
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2023 11:30:46 -0400
Subject: Adding and delete a row of data to the Polygrid
In-Reply-To: <3E7422D0-0C09-4EA0-9A62-85F90EE8851A@tweedly.net>
References: <1e7b2270-e8c3-bd61-ac85-57d7ba9064e5@researchware.com>
 <3E7422D0-0C09-4EA0-9A62-85F90EE8851A@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <964690c6-e1f1-2bff-f967-b009566c041f@researchware.com>

Alex,

Thank you.

On 8/28/2023 9:35 AM, Alex Tweedly wrote:
> Sorry, I meant 10.x
>
> In 9.x you could do
>
>    put sColSubtotalArray  into tA[1]
>    set the addDataAfter  of widget         "rwTableview" to tA
>
> Alex
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On 28 Aug 2023, at 13:33, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> On 8/28/2023 7:28 AM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:
>>> The latest LC has the additional feauture of "automatic" sequences; i.e.
>> Is that LC 10.0.0dp5 or LC 9.6.9 or 9.6.10rc1, which 'latest' version?
>>
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From marksmithhfx at gmail.com  Mon Aug 28 13:21:51 2023
From: marksmithhfx at gmail.com (Mark Smith)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2023 18:21:51 +0100
Subject: OT - Mac Notarization Problem - Desperation setting in
In-Reply-To: <F831C52C-885B-4B0D-A941-857020E0EEE1@buffalo.edu>
References: <65E7119E-1DA1-43DC-B667-F90F7F249CFD@buffalo.edu>
 <9DE2E7AD-8AFF-4DAF-A8E3-3F1063F6C912@livecode.com>
 <6B0CBBC2-5759-4E5F-B9D2-43CFC50D0CC0@buffalo.edu>
 <53FADCF6-21F5-4F09-9F54-983E184F56A0@gmail.com>
 <2C904D9D-C5D8-4E6F-A61F-2650ECCC49FA@elementarysoftware.com>
 <F831C52C-885B-4B0D-A941-857020E0EEE1@buffalo.edu>
Message-ID: <F13D887B-D2D1-472E-91BE-B1B0DED50F57@gmail.com>

Thanks for the excellent description of the problem Tim. It may help in debugging my own “notarisation” issues in the future (tucked away for future reference)!!

> 
> It all makes me long for the days when we could easily pass around Hypercard stacks for the fun of it!!


And boy can I relate to that! If it wasn’t for Matthias….

Mark





From panos.merakos at livecode.com  Tue Aug 29 11:09:10 2023
From: panos.merakos at livecode.com (panagiotis merakos)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2023 18:09:10 +0300
Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq8O1XnrAJViTPtyeWcWT6Nu+UJfbye_m7DK0U_cVtUyaw@mail.gmail.com>

Dear list members,

We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.10 STABLE.

LiveCode 9.6.10 STABLE comes with more than 20 bugfixes, including support
for Android API 33, which will be a requirement for submitting new apps to
the Google Play Store as of the 31st of August.

You can find more details on the bug fixes and improvements of this new
release here:

https://livecode.com/livecode-9-6-10-stable-released/

You can find the release in your LiveCode account area or get it via the
automatic updater.

Enjoy!

Kind regards
The LiveCode Team

--

From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Tue Aug 29 11:17:48 2023
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2023 17:17:48 +0200
Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq8O1XnrAJViTPtyeWcWT6Nu+UJfbye_m7DK0U_cVtUyaw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+JfEq8O1XnrAJViTPtyeWcWT6Nu+UJfbye_m7DK0U_cVtUyaw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3B21678A-A103-4E61-A337-BAD8753D30F1@m-r-d.de>

And still Livecode Server is not working with Internet Information Server (IIS). :(

> Am 29.08.2023 um 17:09 schrieb panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Dear list members,
> 
> We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.10 STABLE.
> 
> LiveCode 9.6.10 STABLE comes with more than 20 bugfixes, including support
> for Android API 33, which will be a requirement for submitting new apps to
> the Google Play Store as of the 31st of August.
> 
> You can find more details on the bug fixes and improvements of this new
> release here:
> 
> https://livecode.com/livecode-9-6-10-stable-released/
> 
> You can find the release in your LiveCode account area or get it via the
> automatic updater.
> 
> Enjoy!
> 
> Kind regards
> The LiveCode Team
> 
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From dan at clearvisiontech.com  Tue Aug 29 12:33:38 2023
From: dan at clearvisiontech.com (Dan Friedman)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2023 16:33:38 +0000
Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq8O1XnrAJViTPtyeWcWT6Nu+UJfbye_m7DK0U_cVtUyaw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+JfEq8O1XnrAJViTPtyeWcWT6Nu+UJfbye_m7DK0U_cVtUyaw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DM6PR12MB27161B15F2A38EF3EA973273B9E7A@DM6PR12MB2716.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>

Any word on 10.0.0?   Biting nails!!

-Dan


From: use-livecode <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com> on behalf of panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Date: Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 8:10 AM
To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Cc: panagiotis merakos <panos.merakos at livecode.com>
Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10
Dear list members,

We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.10 STABLE.

LiveCode 9.6.10 STABLE comes with more than 20 bugfixes, including support
for Android API 33, which will be a requirement for submitting new apps to
the Google Play Store as of the 31st of August.

You can find more details on the bug fixes and improvements of this new
release here:

https://livecode.com/livecode-9-6-10-stable-released/

You can find the release in your LiveCode account area or get it via the
automatic updater.

Enjoy!

Kind regards
The LiveCode Team

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From merakosp at gmail.com  Tue Aug 29 12:41:56 2023
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis m)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2023 19:41:56 +0300
Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10
In-Reply-To: <DM6PR12MB27161B15F2A38EF3EA973273B9E7A@DM6PR12MB2716.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CA+JfEq8O1XnrAJViTPtyeWcWT6Nu+UJfbye_m7DK0U_cVtUyaw@mail.gmail.com>
 <DM6PR12MB27161B15F2A38EF3EA973273B9E7A@DM6PR12MB2716.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq8pjYcNsDROd-OETqKvmNWVoEkj1xwk4dnFb9B0NvnOgw@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all,

@matthias
I am sorry for the frustration - I know you are very eager to get this
fixed. But this was not planned for LC 9.6.10 anyway.

@Dan
The release of LC 10 DP-6 is in the final stages of testing and it is
expected to appear this week.

Kind regards,
Panos
--

On Tue, 29 Aug 2023 at 19:34, Dan Friedman via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Any word on 10.0.0?   Biting nails!!
>
> -Dan
>
>
> From: use-livecode <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com> on behalf of
> panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Date: Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 8:10 AM
> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Cc: panagiotis merakos <panos.merakos at livecode.com>
> Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10
> Dear list members,
>
> We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.10 STABLE.
>
> LiveCode 9.6.10 STABLE comes with more than 20 bugfixes, including support
> for Android API 33, which will be a requirement for submitting new apps to
> the Google Play Store as of the 31st of August.
>
> You can find more details on the bug fixes and improvements of this new
> release here:
>
> https://livecode.com/livecode-9-6-10-stable-released/
>
> You can find the release in your LiveCode account area or get it via the
> automatic updater.
>
> Enjoy!
>
> Kind regards
> The LiveCode Team
>
> --
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From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Tue Aug 29 13:00:04 2023
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2023 19:00:04 +0200
Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq8pjYcNsDROd-OETqKvmNWVoEkj1xwk4dnFb9B0NvnOgw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+JfEq8O1XnrAJViTPtyeWcWT6Nu+UJfbye_m7DK0U_cVtUyaw@mail.gmail.com>
 <DM6PR12MB27161B15F2A38EF3EA973273B9E7A@DM6PR12MB2716.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
 <CA+JfEq8pjYcNsDROd-OETqKvmNWVoEkj1xwk4dnFb9B0NvnOgw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <847C90D7-F63F-4CE8-979E-9B574A31BE81@m-r-d.de>

Hello Panos,
so for which version is it planned, if at all?

Regards,
Matthias

> Am 29.08.2023 um 18:41 schrieb panagiotis m via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> @matthias
> I am sorry for the frustration - I know you are very eager to get this
> fixed. But this was not planned for LC 9.6.10 anyway.
> 
> @Dan
> The release of LC 10 DP-6 is in the final stages of testing and it is
> expected to appear this week.
> 
> Kind regards,
> Panos
> --
> 
> On Tue, 29 Aug 2023 at 19:34, Dan Friedman via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> Any word on 10.0.0?   Biting nails!!
>> 
>> -Dan
>> 
>> 
>> From: use-livecode <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com> on behalf of
>> panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
>> Date: Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 8:10 AM
>> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
>> Cc: panagiotis merakos <panos.merakos at livecode.com>
>> Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10
>> Dear list members,
>> 
>> We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.10 STABLE.
>> 
>> LiveCode 9.6.10 STABLE comes with more than 20 bugfixes, including support
>> for Android API 33, which will be a requirement for submitting new apps to
>> the Google Play Store as of the 31st of August.
>> 
>> You can find more details on the bug fixes and improvements of this new
>> release here:
>> 
>> https://livecode.com/livecode-9-6-10-stable-released/
>> 
>> You can find the release in your LiveCode account area or get it via the
>> automatic updater.
>> 
>> Enjoy!
>> 
>> Kind regards
>> The LiveCode Team
>> 
>> --
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Aug 29 13:16:58 2023
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2023 17:16:58 +0000
Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10
In-Reply-To: <847C90D7-F63F-4CE8-979E-9B574A31BE81@m-r-d.de>
References: <CA+JfEq8O1XnrAJViTPtyeWcWT6Nu+UJfbye_m7DK0U_cVtUyaw@mail.gmail.com>
 <DM6PR12MB27161B15F2A38EF3EA973273B9E7A@DM6PR12MB2716.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
 <CA+JfEq8pjYcNsDROd-OETqKvmNWVoEkj1xwk4dnFb9B0NvnOgw@mail.gmail.com>
 <847C90D7-F63F-4CE8-979E-9B574A31BE81@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <DC4B65B1-6728-4749-BD0C-820BE0955F6B@iotecdigital.com>

I think he said in that email that v10 is expected to be released this week.

Bob S


On Aug 29, 2023, at 10:00 AM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

Hello Panos,
so for which version is it planned, if at all?

Regards,
Matthias


From merakosp at gmail.com  Tue Aug 29 13:20:51 2023
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis m)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2023 20:20:51 +0300
Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10
In-Reply-To: <DC4B65B1-6728-4749-BD0C-820BE0955F6B@iotecdigital.com>
References: <CA+JfEq8O1XnrAJViTPtyeWcWT6Nu+UJfbye_m7DK0U_cVtUyaw@mail.gmail.com>
 <DM6PR12MB27161B15F2A38EF3EA973273B9E7A@DM6PR12MB2716.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
 <CA+JfEq8pjYcNsDROd-OETqKvmNWVoEkj1xwk4dnFb9B0NvnOgw@mail.gmail.com>
 <847C90D7-F63F-4CE8-979E-9B574A31BE81@m-r-d.de>
 <DC4B65B1-6728-4749-BD0C-820BE0955F6B@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq-QYCsZQKhkzHkOVNRseHohoh0VBEr9J-r82Zj0KgN-jQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Matthias,

I am afraid I cannot give an ETA on this. All I know is it was not planned
for 9.6.10 (neither for 10 DP-6).

Kind regards,
Panos
--

On Tue, 29 Aug 2023 at 20:17, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I think he said in that email that v10 is expected to be released this
> week.
>
> Bob S
>
>
> On Aug 29, 2023, at 10:00 AM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> Hello Panos,
> so for which version is it planned, if at all?
>
> Regards,
> Matthias
>
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From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Tue Aug 29 13:29:14 2023
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2023 19:29:14 +0200
Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10
In-Reply-To: <DC4B65B1-6728-4749-BD0C-820BE0955F6B@iotecdigital.com>
References: <CA+JfEq8O1XnrAJViTPtyeWcWT6Nu+UJfbye_m7DK0U_cVtUyaw@mail.gmail.com>
 <DM6PR12MB27161B15F2A38EF3EA973273B9E7A@DM6PR12MB2716.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
 <CA+JfEq8pjYcNsDROd-OETqKvmNWVoEkj1xwk4dnFb9B0NvnOgw@mail.gmail.com>
 <847C90D7-F63F-4CE8-979E-9B574A31BE81@m-r-d.de>
 <DC4B65B1-6728-4749-BD0C-820BE0955F6B@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <BA6522B2-ED3D-447E-818E-EFCDD7B8F68E@m-r-d.de>

Hi Bob,

i did not mean when an update for LC 10 is coming, but for what version the fix is planned for Livecode Server.
Currently LC Server 7 and up do not work with IIS on Windows.
You have to install Apache, although Windows has a built-in web server.



> Am 29.08.2023 um 19:16 schrieb Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> I think he said in that email that v10 is expected to be released this week.
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
> On Aug 29, 2023, at 10:00 AM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello Panos,
> so for which version is it planned, if at all?
> 
> Regards,
> Matthias
> 
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From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Tue Aug 29 13:44:59 2023
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2023 13:44:59 -0400
Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10
In-Reply-To: <BA6522B2-ED3D-447E-818E-EFCDD7B8F68E@m-r-d.de>
References: <CA+JfEq8O1XnrAJViTPtyeWcWT6Nu+UJfbye_m7DK0U_cVtUyaw@mail.gmail.com>
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 <CA+JfEq8pjYcNsDROd-OETqKvmNWVoEkj1xwk4dnFb9B0NvnOgw@mail.gmail.com>
 <847C90D7-F63F-4CE8-979E-9B574A31BE81@m-r-d.de>
 <DC4B65B1-6728-4749-BD0C-820BE0955F6B@iotecdigital.com>
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No XCode version update? MacOS updater keeps harassing me to update CLT to
14.3

On Tue, Aug 29, 2023 at 1:30 PM matthias rebbe via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi Bob,
>
> i did not mean when an update for LC 10 is coming, but for what version
> the fix is planned for Livecode Server.
> Currently LC Server 7 and up do not work with IIS on Windows.
> You have to install Apache, although Windows has a built-in web server.
>
>
>
> > Am 29.08.2023 um 19:16 schrieb Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> >
> > I think he said in that email that v10 is expected to be released this
> week.
> >
> > Bob S
> >
> >
> > On Aug 29, 2023, at 10:00 AM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Panos,
> > so for which version is it planned, if at all?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Matthias
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
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-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."

From merakosp at gmail.com  Tue Aug 29 14:16:26 2023
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis m)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2023 21:16:26 +0300
Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycMpKBJrCxNmD5bCop-X+XfFYMZw80exR_nU0B2jYa7DsA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+JfEq8O1XnrAJViTPtyeWcWT6Nu+UJfbye_m7DK0U_cVtUyaw@mail.gmail.com>
 <DM6PR12MB27161B15F2A38EF3EA973273B9E7A@DM6PR12MB2716.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
 <CA+JfEq8pjYcNsDROd-OETqKvmNWVoEkj1xwk4dnFb9B0NvnOgw@mail.gmail.com>
 <847C90D7-F63F-4CE8-979E-9B574A31BE81@m-r-d.de>
 <DC4B65B1-6728-4749-BD0C-820BE0955F6B@iotecdigital.com>
 <BA6522B2-ED3D-447E-818E-EFCDD7B8F68E@m-r-d.de>
 <CADCoycMpKBJrCxNmD5bCop-X+XfFYMZw80exR_nU0B2jYa7DsA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq-Q2QSFLV=J9GsNBzUku-9-K2X+Dnq3J39pACo-Q7fang@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Mike,

I guess we will update the supported xcode version once macOS Sonoma and/or
Xcode 15 - iOS 17 SDK are publicly available, so probably in LC 9.6.11 rc-1

I think you can update your CLT to 14.3, but make sure you still keep the
current supported xcode version

Kind regards,
Panos

On Tue, 29 Aug 2023, 20:46 Mike Kerner via use-livecode, <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> No XCode version update? MacOS updater keeps harassing me to update CLT to
> 14.3
>
> On Tue, Aug 29, 2023 at 1:30 PM matthias rebbe via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Bob,
> >
> > i did not mean when an update for LC 10 is coming, but for what version
> > the fix is planned for Livecode Server.
> > Currently LC Server 7 and up do not work with IIS on Windows.
> > You have to install Apache, although Windows has a built-in web server.
> >
> >
> >
> > > Am 29.08.2023 um 19:16 schrieb Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> > >
> > > I think he said in that email that v10 is expected to be released this
> > week.
> > >
> > > Bob S
> > >
> > >
> > > On Aug 29, 2023, at 10:00 AM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello Panos,
> > > so for which version is it planned, if at all?
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Matthias
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > use-livecode mailing list
> > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > subscription preferences:
> > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >
> >
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>
>
> --
> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>    and did a little diving.
> And God said, "This is good."
> _______________________________________________
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From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Tue Aug 29 14:46:38 2023
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2023 14:46:38 -0400
Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq-Q2QSFLV=J9GsNBzUku-9-K2X+Dnq3J39pACo-Q7fang@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+JfEq8O1XnrAJViTPtyeWcWT6Nu+UJfbye_m7DK0U_cVtUyaw@mail.gmail.com>
 <DM6PR12MB27161B15F2A38EF3EA973273B9E7A@DM6PR12MB2716.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
 <CA+JfEq8pjYcNsDROd-OETqKvmNWVoEkj1xwk4dnFb9B0NvnOgw@mail.gmail.com>
 <847C90D7-F63F-4CE8-979E-9B574A31BE81@m-r-d.de>
 <DC4B65B1-6728-4749-BD0C-820BE0955F6B@iotecdigital.com>
 <BA6522B2-ED3D-447E-818E-EFCDD7B8F68E@m-r-d.de>
 <CADCoycMpKBJrCxNmD5bCop-X+XfFYMZw80exR_nU0B2jYa7DsA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CA+JfEq-Q2QSFLV=J9GsNBzUku-9-K2X+Dnq3J39pACo-Q7fang@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycPfHzoT_B0aFYOxiFdUS78pNt6oqunJPmPZgZGW1Ld4UQ@mail.gmail.com>

i'm still running ventura, but software update is constantly trying to
update CLT, even though i downloaded and installed xcode manually, not via
appstore

On Tue, Aug 29, 2023 at 2:17 PM panagiotis m via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hello Mike,
>
> I guess we will update the supported xcode version once macOS Sonoma and/or
> Xcode 15 - iOS 17 SDK are publicly available, so probably in LC 9.6.11 rc-1
>
> I think you can update your CLT to 14.3, but make sure you still keep the
> current supported xcode version
>
> Kind regards,
> Panos
>
> On Tue, 29 Aug 2023, 20:46 Mike Kerner via use-livecode, <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > No XCode version update? MacOS updater keeps harassing me to update CLT
> to
> > 14.3
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 29, 2023 at 1:30 PM matthias rebbe via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Bob,
> > >
> > > i did not mean when an update for LC 10 is coming, but for what version
> > > the fix is planned for Livecode Server.
> > > Currently LC Server 7 and up do not work with IIS on Windows.
> > > You have to install Apache, although Windows has a built-in web server.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Am 29.08.2023 um 19:16 schrieb Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
> > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> > > >
> > > > I think he said in that email that v10 is expected to be released
> this
> > > week.
> > > >
> > > > Bob S
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Aug 29, 2023, at 10:00 AM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <
> > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hello Panos,
> > > > so for which version is it planned, if at all?
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Matthias
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > use-livecode mailing list
> > > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > > subscription preferences:
> > > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> > On the second day, God created the oceans.
> > On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
> >    and did a little diving.
> > And God said, "This is good."
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."

From dan at clearvisiontech.com  Tue Aug 29 17:39:43 2023
From: dan at clearvisiontech.com (Dan Friedman)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2023 21:39:43 +0000
Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq8pjYcNsDROd-OETqKvmNWVoEkj1xwk4dnFb9B0NvnOgw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+JfEq8O1XnrAJViTPtyeWcWT6Nu+UJfbye_m7DK0U_cVtUyaw@mail.gmail.com>
 <DM6PR12MB27161B15F2A38EF3EA973273B9E7A@DM6PR12MB2716.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
 <CA+JfEq8pjYcNsDROd-OETqKvmNWVoEkj1xwk4dnFb9B0NvnOgw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DM6PR12MB2716A435D29602CFDADEBC8EB9E7A@DM6PR12MB2716.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>

Panos,

// The release of LC 10 DP-6 is in the final stages of testing and it is expected to appear this week.

As always, thanks for the update.  Appreciate it!

-Dan


From: use-livecode <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com> on behalf of panagiotis m via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Date: Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 9:43 AM
To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Cc: panagiotis m <merakosp at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10
Hello all,

@matthias
I am sorry for the frustration - I know you are very eager to get this
fixed. But this was not planned for LC 9.6.10 anyway.

@Dan
The release of LC 10 DP-6 is in the final stages of testing and it is
expected to appear this week.

Kind regards,
Panos
--

On Tue, 29 Aug 2023 at 19:34, Dan Friedman via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Any word on 10.0.0?   Biting nails!!
>
> -Dan
>
>
> From: use-livecode <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com> on behalf of
> panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Date: Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 8:10 AM
> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Cc: panagiotis merakos <panos.merakos at livecode.com>
> Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.10
> Dear list members,
>
> We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.10 STABLE.
>
> LiveCode 9.6.10 STABLE comes with more than 20 bugfixes, including support
> for Android API 33, which will be a requirement for submitting new apps to
> the Google Play Store as of the 31st of August.
>
> You can find more details on the bug fixes and improvements of this new
> release here:
>
> https://livecode.com/livecode-9-6-10-stable-released/
>
> You can find the release in your LiveCode account area or get it via the
> automatic updater.
>
> Enjoy!
>
> Kind regards
> The LiveCode Team
>
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From bdrunrev at gmail.com  Wed Aug 30 02:05:44 2023
From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2023 07:05:44 +0100
Subject: Charts widget.
In-Reply-To: <62253d2d-a416-a334-ccec-acd5fa3d9176@tweedly.net>
References: <62253d2d-a416-a334-ccec-acd5fa3d9176@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <CA+O+R-HGjf8X6mhPr5+mLL-92e+davgb+y4RQoD+ovr6+_Zf=Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Alex

I've started using this, quite pleased with what it can do in terms of
presentation.  But it seems to me (going off the Dictionary and my own
tests) that it doesn't receive any mouse messages.  So clicking on any of
the displayed chart components has no effect.

I haven't yet investigated setting jsonoptions (as the designated way to
invoke more of the chartsjs functionality).

Regards
Bernard

On Sun, Sep 25, 2022 at 9:55 PM Alex Tweedly via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Anyone using this widget ?
>
> Is there some documentation (other than the obvious dictionary entries)
> about how to do different kinds of chart ?
>
> In the last 4-6 months, I've done 3 or 4 little personal projects where
> I wanted to create a chart, but I've not been able to figure out how to
> use the charts widget to do time-based charts.
>
> What I mean is, e.g., create a chart for the following data ....
>
> 2022-02-01    100
> 2022-02-04    500
> 2022-02-05    525
> 2022-02-17    900
> ....
>
> Obviously, the dates along the X-axis should be spaced properly
> according to their data value, not equally spaced and simply labelled.
>
> Looking at the charts.js documentation, it tells me (or rather, fails to
> tell me, since I can't understand it) that I need to define an 'adapter'
> and shows some sample javascript. I don't really understand how to do it
> simply in javascript - far less how I could use that in the widget.
>
> Can anyone give me a clue or a pointer ?
>
>

From dfe4 at cornell.edu  Wed Aug 30 12:35:42 2023
From: dfe4 at cornell.edu (David Epstein)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2023 12:35:42 -0400
Subject: Pasting text and images together?
Message-ID: <2A778021-978E-46AC-A0F1-18BFE597B5EB@cornell.edu>

From a web browser, or from programs like Word or (Apple) Notes, it is possible to copy to the clipboard a single selection that includes both text and images.
Is there any way to paste all of this information to LiveCode—for example, placing the text in fields and the imageData in image objects, or showing everything in one field by setting the imageSource of some characters in that field?
After having copied such a collection of text and image information, the keys to the fullClipboardData seem only to include text and styled text options, with no indication of the images that are included on the clipboard.

David Epstein

From neville.smythe at optusnet.com.au  Thu Aug 31 00:11:56 2023
From: neville.smythe at optusnet.com.au (Neville Smythe)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2023 14:11:56 +1000
Subject: Sort bug
Message-ID: <64C21C5C-EC88-466B-A2CE-CA55D4EBC7CC@optusnet.com.au>

There is a bug in sorting a container using a function, as in

sort lines tVariable by myVal(each)

where the function is for example

function myVal pStr
    return item 1 of pStr + item 2 of pStr
end myval

If the function myVal encounters a run-time error (in the example if one of the items is not a number) the sort command fails silently: the script exits at that code line and the user is unaware that the sort (and the rest of the handler) were not executed.

If you sort directly with

sort lines tVariable by (item 1 of pStr + item 2 of pStr)

the handler will throw an error dialog, as expected.

QC has confirmed this is a bug ( bug 24321 <https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=24321> ) that evidently has been around for a long time.

Neville Smythe




From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Thu Aug 31 02:41:47 2023
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2023 09:41:47 +0300
Subject: Pasting text and images together?
In-Reply-To: <2A778021-978E-46AC-A0F1-18BFE597B5EB@cornell.edu>
References: <2A778021-978E-46AC-A0F1-18BFE597B5EB@cornell.edu>
Message-ID: <d44ba072-1cf4-40df-a802-45cc5345921b@gmail.com>

As far as I know image data cannot be pasted into LC.

I just tried pasting a banal image of a cat from an Ecosia search into a 
stack directly, and into an image, to no avail.

Best, Richmond.

On 30.08.23 19:35, David Epstein via use-livecode wrote:
>  From a web browser, or from programs like Word or (Apple) Notes, it is possible to copy to the clipboard a single selection that includes both text and images.
> Is there any way to paste all of this information to LiveCodefor example, placing the text in fields and the imageData in image objects, or showing everything in one field by setting the imageSource of some characters in that field?
> After having copied such a collection of text and image information, the keys to the fullClipboardData seem only to include text and styled text options, with no indication of the images that are included on the clipboard.
>
> David Epstein
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From panos.merakos at livecode.com  Thu Aug 31 09:48:29 2023
From: panos.merakos at livecode.com (panagiotis merakos)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2023 16:48:29 +0300
Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 10.0.0 DP-6
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq9-P2P0-wr09v7FBh9jLD=aEvT00sJZsE-Z6FygOzndNA@mail.gmail.com>

Dear list members,

We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 10.0.0 DP-6.

LiveCode 10.0.0 DP-6 comes with more than 30 bugfixes and exciting new
features.

You can find more details on this new release here:

https://livecode.com/livecode-10-dp-6-web-fonts-and-api-33/

You can find the release in your LiveCode account area or get it via the
automatic updater.

Enjoy!

Kind regards
The LiveCode Team

From roger.e.eller at sealedair.com  Thu Aug 31 10:52:54 2023
From: roger.e.eller at sealedair.com (Eller, Roger)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2023 14:52:54 +0000
Subject: HTML5 failure / javascript console
Message-ID: <BN8PR14MB2913C5C41722881CA0B1E684AFE5A@BN8PR14MB2913.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>

My first try of saving a simple stack as HTML5... When it tries to run, it says to check the Javascropt console, which shows the following.  As a LiveCode Script only developer, none of this gives me a clue.  This is on Windows, using Chrome.

Failed to load resource: the server responded with a status of 404 (Not Found)
TEST_STACK.html:155 run() called, but dependencies remain, so not running
printErr @ TEST_STACK.html:155
standalone-9.6.10.js:48 a problem seems to have happened with Module.memoryInitializerRequest, status: 404, retrying standalone-9.6.10.html.mem
useRequest @ standalone-9.6.10.js:48
standalone-9.6.10.html.mem:1     Failed to load resource: the server responded with a status of 404 (Not Found)
standalone-9.6.10.js:48 Uncaught could not load memory initializer standalone-9.6.10.html.mem
TEST_STACK.html:155 still waiting on run dependencies:
printErr @ TEST_STACK.html:155
(anonymous) @ standalone-9.6.10.js:1
TEST_STACK.html:155 dependency: memory initializer
printErr @ TEST_STACK.html:155
(anonymous) @ standalone-9.6.10.js:1
TEST_STACK.html:155 (end of list)



From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Aug 31 11:06:19 2023
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2023 15:06:19 +0000
Subject: Sort bug
In-Reply-To: <64C21C5C-EC88-466B-A2CE-CA55D4EBC7CC@optusnet.com.au>
References: <64C21C5C-EC88-466B-A2CE-CA55D4EBC7CC@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <CDE10EAC-2E00-4C62-92D8-336F1C2F9C76@iotecdigital.com>

I think you have to append “of each”. Sort lines of tVar by item 3 of each

Bob S


> On Aug 30, 2023, at 9:11 PM, Neville Smythe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> There is a bug in sorting a container using a function, as in
> 
> sort lines tVariable by myVal(each)
> 
> where the function is for example
> 
> function myVal pStr
>    return item 1 of pStr + item 2 of pStr
> end myval
> 
> If the function myVal encounters a run-time error (in the example if one of the items is not a number) the sort command fails silently: the script exits at that code line and the user is unaware that the sort (and the rest of the handler) were not executed.
> 
> If you sort directly with
> 
> sort lines tVariable by (item 1 of pStr + item 2 of pStr)
> 
> the handler will throw an error dialog, as expected.
> 
> QC has confirmed this is a bug ( bug 24321 <https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=24321> ) that evidently has been around for a long time.
> 
> Neville Smythe
> 
> 
> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Aug 31 11:25:14 2023
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2023 15:25:14 +0000
Subject: Sort bug
In-Reply-To: <CDE10EAC-2E00-4C62-92D8-336F1C2F9C76@iotecdigital.com>
References: <64C21C5C-EC88-466B-A2CE-CA55D4EBC7CC@optusnet.com.au>
 <CDE10EAC-2E00-4C62-92D8-336F1C2F9C76@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <A0E5418F-4990-4402-B9AD-6901B8D62ED7@iotecdigital.com>

To be more clear, the argument to “by” needs to be a chunk statement, not a value, followed by “of each”. Your function *might* work if you returned the chunk expression instead of the actual value the chunk resolves to. 

But why? I am not sure what the myVal() function accomplishes. Does the chunk expression change on the fly? Even so, pStr needs to be a list of numbers because you are adding them together, so it won’t return a chunk expression. 

Your method as it stands would resolve to “sort lines tVariable by 3” when it needs to resolve to something like “sort lines of tVariable by item 3 of each”. 

Further it looks like you are sorting by multiple items. You cannot do that in one statement. Instead run multiple sorts, by the last element first, down to the first element. 

Bob S


> On Aug 31, 2023, at 8:06 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I think you have to append “of each”. Sort lines of tVar by item 3 of each
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Aug 30, 2023, at 9:11 PM, Neville Smythe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> There is a bug in sorting a container using a function, as in
>> 
>> sort lines tVariable by myVal(each)
>> 
>> where the function is for example
>> 
>> function myVal pStr
>>   return item 1 of pStr + item 2 of pStr
>> end myval
>> 
>> If the function myVal encounters a run-time error (in the example if one of the items is not a number) the sort command fails silently: the script exits at that code line and the user is unaware that the sort (and the rest of the handler) were not executed.
>> 
>> If you sort directly with
>> 
>> sort lines tVariable by (item 1 of pStr + item 2 of pStr)
>> 
>> the handler will throw an error dialog, as expected.
>> 
>> QC has confirmed this is a bug ( bug 24321 <https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=24321> ) that evidently has been around for a long time.
>> 
>> Neville Smythe
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From dan at clearvisiontech.com  Thu Aug 31 18:36:47 2023
From: dan at clearvisiontech.com (Dan Friedman)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2023 22:36:47 +0000
Subject: Shutdown on Android
Message-ID: <DM6PR12MB27160F410BC78B179E4715B7B9E5A@DM6PR12MB2716.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>

Does the shutdown message (or shutdownRequest message) work on Android?   I am playing a song using androidStartAudioPlayingInBackground.   However, if the app is closed (swiping up to exit it), then the audio continues to play.  So, I added an androidStopAudioPlayingInBackground command in the shutdown message to stop playing the audio.  But doesn’t seem to work – audio continues to play.

Any thoughts?

-Dan


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Aug 31 18:38:17 2023
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2023 17:38:17 -0500
Subject: Sort bug
In-Reply-To: <A0E5418F-4990-4402-B9AD-6901B8D62ED7@iotecdigital.com>
References: <64C21C5C-EC88-466B-A2CE-CA55D4EBC7CC@optusnet.com.au>
 <CDE10EAC-2E00-4C62-92D8-336F1C2F9C76@iotecdigital.com>
 <A0E5418F-4990-4402-B9AD-6901B8D62ED7@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <5c09a840-a483-e087-ad59-16a8802a28e4@hyperactivesw.com>

Actually, the syntax is correct. It uses a custom sort function. The function call includes the 
"each" which means it passes the correct parameter to the custom function, which then acts on 
it and sends the result back to the calling handler for sorting. It's a nice way to customize 
the built-in sort. You can do some pretty extravagant things with it.


On 8/31/23 10:25 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
> To be more clear, the argument to “by” needs to be a chunk statement, not a value, followed by “of each”. Your function *might* work if you returned the chunk expression instead of the actual value the chunk resolves to.
> 
> But why? I am not sure what the myVal() function accomplishes. Does the chunk expression change on the fly? Even so, pStr needs to be a list of numbers because you are adding them together, so it won’t return a chunk expression.
> 
> Your method as it stands would resolve to “sort lines tVariable by 3” when it needs to resolve to something like “sort lines of tVariable by item 3 of each”.
> 
> Further it looks like you are sorting by multiple items. You cannot do that in one statement. Instead run multiple sorts, by the last element first, down to the first element.
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Aug 31, 2023, at 8:06 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> I think you have to append “of each”. Sort lines of tVar by item 3 of each
>>
>> Bob S
>>
>>
>>> On Aug 30, 2023, at 9:11 PM, Neville Smythe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> There is a bug in sorting a container using a function, as in
>>>
>>> sort lines tVariable by myVal(each)
>>>
>>> where the function is for example
>>>
>>> function myVal pStr
>>>    return item 1 of pStr + item 2 of pStr
>>> end myval
>>>
>>> If the function myVal encounters a run-time error (in the example if one of the items is not a number) the sort command fails silently: the script exits at that code line and the user is unaware that the sort (and the rest of the handler) were not executed.
>>>
>>> If you sort directly with
>>>
>>> sort lines tVariable by (item 1 of pStr + item 2 of pStr)
>>>
>>> the handler will throw an error dialog, as expected.
>>>
>>> QC has confirmed this is a bug ( bug 24321 <https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=24321> ) that evidently has been around for a long time.
>>>
>>> Neville Smythe
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Aug 31 19:37:40 2023
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2023 23:37:40 +0000
Subject: Sort bug
In-Reply-To: <5c09a840-a483-e087-ad59-16a8802a28e4@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <64C21C5C-EC88-466B-A2CE-CA55D4EBC7CC@optusnet.com.au>
 <CDE10EAC-2E00-4C62-92D8-336F1C2F9C76@iotecdigital.com>
 <A0E5418F-4990-4402-B9AD-6901B8D62ED7@iotecdigital.com>
 <5c09a840-a483-e087-ad59-16a8802a28e4@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <3023053B-4955-4CA4-BA8C-7532DF5F90C0@iotecdigital.com>

The function is adding the value of two chunks together and returning the result. How does that even compute? Unless the + operator is doing something totally different here…

Bob S


On Aug 31, 2023, at 3:38 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

Actually, the syntax is correct. It uses a custom sort function. The function call includes the "each" which means it passes the correct parameter to the custom function, which then acts on it and sends the result back to the calling handler for sorting. It's a nice way to customize the built-in sort. You can do some pretty extravagant things with it.


On 8/31/23 10:25 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:



From alex at tweedly.net  Thu Aug 31 19:53:23 2023
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2023 00:53:23 +0100
Subject: Sort bug
In-Reply-To: <3023053B-4955-4CA4-BA8C-7532DF5F90C0@iotecdigital.com>
References: <64C21C5C-EC88-466B-A2CE-CA55D4EBC7CC@optusnet.com.au>
 <CDE10EAC-2E00-4C62-92D8-336F1C2F9C76@iotecdigital.com>
 <A0E5418F-4990-4402-B9AD-6901B8D62ED7@iotecdigital.com>
 <5c09a840-a483-e087-ad59-16a8802a28e4@hyperactivesw.com>
 <3023053B-4955-4CA4-BA8C-7532DF5F90C0@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <c03cc78d-20b0-4059-a18e-5690a655b3aa@tweedly.net>


On 01/09/2023 00:37, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
> The function is adding the value of two chunks together and returning the result. How does that even compute? Unless the + operator is doing something totally different here

The code said:

> sort lines tVariable by myVal(each)
>
> where the function is for example
>
> function myVal pStr
>     return item 1 of pStr + item 2 of pStr
> end myval
since it's sorting the lines of the container, it calls the custom 
function with each line in turn. The function simply adds together the 
first two items from the passed-in line, and returns that. The returned 
value is associated with the corresponding line - and then the container 
is sorted by those associated values.

This works fine if the input variable is well formatted (i.e. first and 
second items of each line are numeric), but fails to give an error when 
something goes wrong - such as a non-numeric item.

(and, yes - the dictionary description is misleading, if not simply 
incorrect. However, the "Tip" at the end describes the use of ustom 
functions).

Alex.



From brian at milby7.com  Thu Aug 31 21:29:17 2023
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2023 21:29:17 -0400
Subject: Sort bug
In-Reply-To: <c03cc78d-20b0-4059-a18e-5690a655b3aa@tweedly.net>
References: <c03cc78d-20b0-4059-a18e-5690a655b3aa@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <9DE07A74-F443-4C9F-AA16-66A2B17AC606@milby7.com>

I just tried this in 10dp5 and the sort didn’t completely bail (it put the error value first) but it did error when including inline (as in the bug report).  If I add a try, then it will stop on the throw.  Not sure how much this would slow down execution though.

function myVal pStr
   local tResult
   try
      put item 1 of pStr + item 2 of pStr into tResult
   catch errorVariable
      throw "Bad data"
   end try
   return tResult
end myVal

Brian Milby
brian at milby7.com

> On Aug 31, 2023, at 7:53 PM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On 01/09/2023 00:37, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
>> The function is adding the value of two chunks together and returning the result. How does that even compute? Unless the + operator is doing something totally different here…
> 
> The code said:
> 
>> sort lines tVariable by myVal(each)
>> 
>> where the function is for example
>> 
>> function myVal pStr
>>    return item 1 of pStr + item 2 of pStr
>> end myval
> since it's sorting the lines of the container, it calls the custom function with each line in turn. The function simply adds together the first two items from the passed-in line, and returns that. The returned value is associated with the corresponding line - and then the container is sorted by those associated values.
> 
> This works fine if the input variable is well formatted (i.e. first and second items of each line are numeric), but fails to give an error when something goes wrong - such as a non-numeric item.
> 
> (and, yes - the dictionary description is misleading, if not simply incorrect. However, the "Tip" at the end describes the use of ustom functions).
> 
> Alex.
> 
> 
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