Anyone any experience with Livecode under Ventura?

Mark Smith marksmithhfx at
Thu Nov 10 13:55:53 EST 2022

I tend towards lazy myself, backing up only after the umpteenth prompt from Time machine that I haven’t backed up in XX months. But I am also the anxious type so if I am working on something important (like a paper, a presentation or a program) I’ll just periodically mail myself a copy. That way, if I lose a disk, I can just retrieve copies from whatever mail server I am using.

I have on occasion had to do just that, particularly after I retired and failed to backup everything properly before I left my employer. 


> On 10 Nov 2022, at 6:40 pm, Geoff Canyon via use-livecode <use-livecode at> wrote:
> I regard it as a choice of risks -- I'm lazy about backups since...I was
> going to say the '90s, but really it's forever. Thankfully I've never had a
> drive go bad, but  I have written several novels, and I now have none of
> them except as memories: one went away with an iMac hard drive I didn't
> copy properly when I retired it, one went away with a zip drive, one went
> away with 3 inch floppies, and one went away with 5 inch floppies (and one
> went away with greenbar paper). I think my odds are better using a cloud
> service than my own efforts at maintaining things.
> gc
> On Wed, Nov 9, 2022 at 2:32 PM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at> wrote:
>> FYI I NEVER am going to consolidate all my documents in iCloud. That's
>> like hanging a copy of all my keys in the community center that's open 24
>> hours a day to everyone. One day someone is going to lock the doors...
>> Bob S
>> On Nov 8, 2022, at 13:22 , Geoff Canyon via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at<mailto:use-livecode at>>
>> wrote:
>> I upgraded to Ventura over a week ago. No problems so far with one
>> exception: the OS suggested that I consolidate everything onto iCloud for
>> universal access and backups. I did so. That resulted in oddities like
>> cmd-shift-D now opening iCloud/Desktop instead of something in my home
>> directory. Or more accurately, there *is* a "Desktop" folder in my home
>> directory that appears not to be an alias, but is invisible?
>> Anyway, doing this caused the same thing to happen for the Documents
>> folder. LiveCode apparently can't find the invisible folder, so e.g. it
>> defaulted back to the copy of Navigator included with LiveCode -- which is
>> ancient, no one should use it -- instead of the copy in ~/Documents/My
>> Livecode/Plugins.
>> So far, to fix it I hit cmd-shift-period in the Finder. That shows
>> invisible files. I'm sure there's a way to un-invisible a folder, and
>> hopefully that will fix the issue without causing any issues with what
>> Ventura is trying to do with iCloud.
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