From hershelflc at gmail.com  Fri Jul  1 16:24:45 2022
From: hershelflc at gmail.com (Hershel F)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2022 16:24:45 -0400
Subject: sorting datagrids
In-Reply-To: <240E44BA-75A1-4E14-8226-0C874FFFA8CD@iotecdigital.com>
References: <510268AA-C4D4-444A-AE64-99F0307E9C25@gmail.com>
 <240E44BA-75A1-4E14-8226-0C874FFFA8CD@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <C2CA12FD-7E5C-4A69-818F-ACDFD9C62836@gmail.com>

this is more what i’m concerned. i’ll give it a shot and let you know. 
thanks.

> On Jun 30, 2022, at 7:26 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> put the dgText of group "myDataGrid" into tText
> set the itemDelimiter to tab
> 
> repeat with i = 1 to the number of lines of tText
>   put item i of tText into tLine
>   sort items of tLine ascending
>   put tLine into line i of tText
> end repeat
> 
> set the dgText of group "myDataGrid" to tText


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Jul  1 19:49:10 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2022 23:49:10 +0000
Subject: Is LC encryption different for Mac than for Windows??
Message-ID: <F11706E0-D30A-417C-ADE3-241A7DC677FE@iotecdigital.com>

Hi all. 

As I may have mentioned I wrote an SQL Server agent that uses sockets to listen for data from a client. The client first arrayEncodes an array, then encrypts the result using an encryption library I wrote. Then it sends the data to the Server Agent. 

The Agent receives the encrypted stream, decrypts it using the exact same library, arrayDecodes the data, then performs a query against the database and retrieves th data as an array. All that works. 

The agent then arrayEncodes the array and re-encrypts it using THE SAME LIBRARY. It then sends the data back to the client which of course, decrypts it and arrayDecodes it producing the resultant array. All fine and good. But wait there's more! 

When I run the Server Agent on my Macintosh all works as expected. I get an array of the queried data. When I run it on a Windows desktop however, the data coming back is corrupted somehow! The decryption command produces an error: ERROR: (SSL error: wrong final block length)

How can that be? It's the same file I just copy it to the windows machine from the Mac along with the encryption library. Everything should be exactly the same! 

Bob S



From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Jul  1 19:56:33 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2022 23:56:33 +0000
Subject: Is LC encryption different for Mac than for Windows??
In-Reply-To: <F11706E0-D30A-417C-ADE3-241A7DC677FE@iotecdigital.com>
References: <F11706E0-D30A-417C-ADE3-241A7DC677FE@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <AAFD8679-D7D8-4DD5-9C6A-BF7E1BDE6178@iotecdigital.com>

Hmmm... I think I see what is happening. I compared the encrypted string from the server to the string from the client after it received it via the socket connection. I am only getting the last part of the encrypted string! 

So it looks like the socket connections using with message is losing data somehow. 

Bob S


> On Jul 1, 2022, at 16:49 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi all. 
> 
> As I may have mentioned I wrote an SQL Server agent that uses sockets to listen for data from a client. The client first arrayEncodes an array, then encrypts the result using an encryption library I wrote. Then it sends the data to the Server Agent. 
> 
> The Agent receives the encrypted stream, decrypts it using the exact same library, arrayDecodes the data, then performs a query against the database and retrieves th data as an array. All that works. 
> 
> The agent then arrayEncodes the array and re-encrypts it using THE SAME LIBRARY. It then sends the data back to the client which of course, decrypts it and arrayDecodes it producing the resultant array. All fine and good. But wait there's more! 
> 
> When I run the Server Agent on my Macintosh all works as expected. I get an array of the queried data. When I run it on a Windows desktop however, the data coming back is corrupted somehow! The decryption command produces an error: ERROR: (SSL error: wrong final block length)
> 
> How can that be? It's the same file I just copy it to the windows machine from the Mac along with the encryption library. Everything should be exactly the same! 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Jul  1 20:08:33 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2022 00:08:33 +0000
Subject: Is LC encryption different for Mac than for Windows??
In-Reply-To: <AAFD8679-D7D8-4DD5-9C6A-BF7E1BDE6178@iotecdigital.com>
References: <F11706E0-D30A-417C-ADE3-241A7DC677FE@iotecdigital.com>
 <AAFD8679-D7D8-4DD5-9C6A-BF7E1BDE6178@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <21608B73-A6D7-41D9-8FEF-F0AD356A59FD@iotecdigital.com>

Also when I was running it on my Mac, the client in the server we’re running on the same Macintosh. On the windows machine however I’m going over the wire. Should I buy Ineri encoded or something?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 1, 2022, at 16:57, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com> wrote:
> 
> Hmmm... I think I see what is happening. I compared the encrypted string from the server to the string from the client after it received it via the socket connection. I am only getting the last part of the encrypted string! 
> 
> So it looks like the socket connections using with message is losing data somehow. 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Jul 1, 2022, at 16:49 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all. 
>> 
>> As I may have mentioned I wrote an SQL Server agent that uses sockets to listen for data from a client. The client first arrayEncodes an array, then encrypts the result using an encryption library I wrote. Then it sends the data to the Server Agent. 
>> 
>> The Agent receives the encrypted stream, decrypts it using the exact same library, arrayDecodes the data, then performs a query against the database and retrieves th data as an array. All that works. 
>> 
>> The agent then arrayEncodes the array and re-encrypts it using THE SAME LIBRARY. It then sends the data back to the client which of course, decrypts it and arrayDecodes it producing the resultant array. All fine and good. But wait there's more! 
>> 
>> When I run the Server Agent on my Macintosh all works as expected. I get an array of the queried data. When I run it on a Windows desktop however, the data coming back is corrupted somehow! The decryption command produces an error: ERROR: (SSL error: wrong final block length)
>> 
>> How can that be? It's the same file I just copy it to the windows machine from the Mac along with the encryption library. Everything should be exactly the same! 
>> 
>> Bob S
>> 
>> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Jul  1 20:55:26 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2022 00:55:26 +0000
Subject: Is LC encryption different for Mac than for Windows??
In-Reply-To: <21608B73-A6D7-41D9-8FEF-F0AD356A59FD@iotecdigital.com>
References: <F11706E0-D30A-417C-ADE3-241A7DC677FE@iotecdigital.com>
 <AAFD8679-D7D8-4DD5-9C6A-BF7E1BDE6178@iotecdigital.com>
 <21608B73-A6D7-41D9-8FEF-F0AD356A59FD@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <B17A3713-F76F-4E66-88C7-AC543A8F44DC@iotecdigital.com>

<sigh> That's supposed to be Binary Encoding

> On Jul 1, 2022, at 17:08 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Also when I was running it on my Mac, the client in the server we’re running on the same Macintosh. On the windows machine however I’m going over the wire. Should I buy Ineri encoded or something?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Jul  1 21:05:28 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2022 01:05:28 +0000
Subject: Is LC encryption different for Mac than for Windows??
In-Reply-To: <B17A3713-F76F-4E66-88C7-AC543A8F44DC@iotecdigital.com>
References: <F11706E0-D30A-417C-ADE3-241A7DC677FE@iotecdigital.com>
 <AAFD8679-D7D8-4DD5-9C6A-BF7E1BDE6178@iotecdigital.com>
 <21608B73-A6D7-41D9-8FEF-F0AD356A59FD@iotecdigital.com>
 <B17A3713-F76F-4E66-88C7-AC543A8F44DC@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <BA293DDD-F69C-4ED0-A30F-1C95A2FAFA12@iotecdigital.com>

Okay so I base64Encoded the encrypted string before sending over the wire, and base64Decoded on the receiving end. Same thing coming back. I am still getting the error. It's not a problem with sending data over the wire. 

Bob S


> On Jul 1, 2022, at 17:55 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> <sigh> That's supposed to be Binary Encoding
> 
>> On Jul 1, 2022, at 17:08 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Also when I was running it on my Mac, the client in the server we’re running on the same Macintosh. On the windows machine however I’m going over the wire. Should I buy Ineri encoded or something?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
> 
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From phil at pdslabs.net  Fri Jul  1 21:10:52 2022
From: phil at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2022 18:10:52 -0700
Subject: Is LC encryption different for Mac than for Windows??
In-Reply-To: <BA293DDD-F69C-4ED0-A30F-1C95A2FAFA12@iotecdigital.com>
References: <F11706E0-D30A-417C-ADE3-241A7DC677FE@iotecdigital.com>
 <AAFD8679-D7D8-4DD5-9C6A-BF7E1BDE6178@iotecdigital.com>
 <21608B73-A6D7-41D9-8FEF-F0AD356A59FD@iotecdigital.com>
 <B17A3713-F76F-4E66-88C7-AC543A8F44DC@iotecdigital.com>
 <BA293DDD-F69C-4ED0-A30F-1C95A2FAFA12@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <3f535285-9075-bbad-2afa-dc156fff3264@pdslabs.net>

I was about to suggest that - you beat me to it. My client/server apps 
use base64 encode/decode as the final "envelope" for the data before 
network transfer. But I have LC on both ends of the transfer, and you 
may not. But ultimately it shouldn't matter.

Phil Davis


On 7/1/22 6:05 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
> Okay so I base64Encoded the encrypted string before sending over the wire, and base64Decoded on the receiving end. Same thing coming back. I am still getting the error. It's not a problem with sending data over the wire.
>
> Bob S
>
>
>> On Jul 1, 2022, at 17:55 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> <sigh> That's supposed to be Binary Encoding
>>
>>> On Jul 1, 2022, at 17:08 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Also when I was running it on my Mac, the client in the server were running on the same Macintosh. On the windows machine however Im going over the wire. Should I buy Ineri encoded or something?
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
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-- 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Jul  1 21:19:22 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2022 01:19:22 +0000
Subject: Is LC encryption different for Mac than for Windows??
In-Reply-To: <3f535285-9075-bbad-2afa-dc156fff3264@pdslabs.net>
References: <F11706E0-D30A-417C-ADE3-241A7DC677FE@iotecdigital.com>
 <AAFD8679-D7D8-4DD5-9C6A-BF7E1BDE6178@iotecdigital.com>
 <21608B73-A6D7-41D9-8FEF-F0AD356A59FD@iotecdigital.com>
 <B17A3713-F76F-4E66-88C7-AC543A8F44DC@iotecdigital.com>
 <BA293DDD-F69C-4ED0-A30F-1C95A2FAFA12@iotecdigital.com>
 <3f535285-9075-bbad-2afa-dc156fff3264@pdslabs.net>
Message-ID: <4FD9D0C1-A732-4FC1-B162-596F0445DBF0@iotecdigital.com>

I do. The server agent was written in LC and I am running it in a community version. Just to eliminate the possibility that things are different between Community 9.5 and Pro 9.6.8, I am DL'ing the latest (which I am running on the Mac). I'll try with that. 

Basically I encrypt and decrypt using aes256 and a key and salt value I store as constants in both the client and the server. I'm really stumped. This should work as advertised. 

Bob S


> On Jul 1, 2022, at 18:10 , Phil Davis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I was about to suggest that - you beat me to it. My client/server apps use base64 encode/decode as the final "envelope" for the data before network transfer. But I have LC on both ends of the transfer, and you may not. But ultimately it shouldn't matter.
> 
> Phil Davis



From phil at pdslabs.net  Fri Jul  1 21:23:28 2022
From: phil at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2022 18:23:28 -0700
Subject: Is LC encryption different for Mac than for Windows??
In-Reply-To: <3f535285-9075-bbad-2afa-dc156fff3264@pdslabs.net>
References: <F11706E0-D30A-417C-ADE3-241A7DC677FE@iotecdigital.com>
 <AAFD8679-D7D8-4DD5-9C6A-BF7E1BDE6178@iotecdigital.com>
 <21608B73-A6D7-41D9-8FEF-F0AD356A59FD@iotecdigital.com>
 <B17A3713-F76F-4E66-88C7-AC543A8F44DC@iotecdigital.com>
 <BA293DDD-F69C-4ED0-A30F-1C95A2FAFA12@iotecdigital.com>
 <3f535285-9075-bbad-2afa-dc156fff3264@pdslabs.net>
Message-ID: <ca2ad445-7c0b-8565-7d13-d2bb5b5065e0@pdslabs.net>

I don't know about newer LC versions, but some older ones don't do "read 
from socket <socket> until EOF" correctly. Because of that, I added a 
data header containing the length of the data in bytes. On the receiving 
end, something like this happens:

    read from socket <socket> for 1 line
    put it into tLength
    read from socket <socket> for tLength
    put it into tData
    close socket <socket>

I add error-checking of course.

HTH -
Phil


On 7/1/22 6:10 PM, Phil Davis via use-livecode wrote:
> I was about to suggest that - you beat me to it. My client/server apps 
> use base64 encode/decode as the final "envelope" for the data before 
> network transfer. But I have LC on both ends of the transfer, and you 
> may not. But ultimately it shouldn't matter.
>
> Phil Davis
>
>
> On 7/1/22 6:05 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
>> Okay so I base64Encoded the encrypted string before sending over the 
>> wire, and base64Decoded on the receiving end. Same thing coming back. 
>> I am still getting the error. It's not a problem with sending data 
>> over the wire.
>>
>> Bob S
>>
>>
>>> On Jul 1, 2022, at 17:55 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
>>> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> <sigh> That's supposed to be Binary Encoding
>>>
>>>> On Jul 1, 2022, at 17:08 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
>>>> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Also when I was running it on my Mac, the client in the server 
>>>> were running on the same Macintosh. On the windows machine however 
>>>> Im going over the wire. Should I buy Ineri encoded or something?
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> subscription preferences:
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Jul  1 21:27:26 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2022 01:27:26 +0000
Subject: Is LC encryption different for Mac than for Windows??
In-Reply-To: <ca2ad445-7c0b-8565-7d13-d2bb5b5065e0@pdslabs.net>
References: <F11706E0-D30A-417C-ADE3-241A7DC677FE@iotecdigital.com>
 <AAFD8679-D7D8-4DD5-9C6A-BF7E1BDE6178@iotecdigital.com>
 <21608B73-A6D7-41D9-8FEF-F0AD356A59FD@iotecdigital.com>
 <B17A3713-F76F-4E66-88C7-AC543A8F44DC@iotecdigital.com>
 <BA293DDD-F69C-4ED0-A30F-1C95A2FAFA12@iotecdigital.com>
 <3f535285-9075-bbad-2afa-dc156fff3264@pdslabs.net>
 <ca2ad445-7c0b-8565-7d13-d2bb5b5065e0@pdslabs.net>
Message-ID: <F44AA7DA-0EDE-46C0-95D8-6BFBEB4BD1AE@iotecdigital.com>

OIC. Well I am using the non-blocking method using with message. I don't read from until. All the data should come through then send the message. It may be that there is some kind of limit on the length of the data, but that would suck. Also it doesn't explain why when the client and the server are both running on the Mac, it works flawlessly. A socket is a socket. 

Bob S


> On Jul 1, 2022, at 18:23 , Phil Davis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I don't know about newer LC versions, but some older ones don't do "read from socket <socket> until EOF" correctly. Because of that, I added a data header containing the length of the data in bytes. On the receiving end, something like this happens:
> 
>   read from socket <socket> for 1 line
>   put it into tLength
>   read from socket <socket> for tLength
>   put it into tData
>   close socket <socket>
> 
> I add error-checking of course.
> 
> HTH -
> Phil
> 
> 
> On 7/1/22 6:10 PM, Phil Davis via use-livecode wrote:
>> I was about to suggest that - you beat me to it. My client/server apps use base64 encode/decode as the final "envelope" for the data before network transfer. But I have LC on both ends of the transfer, and you may not. But ultimately it shouldn't matter.
>> 
>> Phil Davis
>> 
>> 
>> On 7/1/22 6:05 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
>>> Okay so I base64Encoded the encrypted string before sending over the wire, and base64Decoded on the receiving end. Same thing coming back. I am still getting the error. It's not a problem with sending data over the wire.
>>> 
>>> Bob S
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 1, 2022, at 17:55 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> <sigh> That's supposed to be Binary Encoding
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 1, 2022, at 17:08 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Also when I was running it on my Mac, the client in the server we’re running on the same Macintosh. On the windows machine however I’m going over the wire. Should I buy Ineri encoded or something?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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> 
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From neville.smythe at optusnet.com.au  Sat Jul  2 20:18:46 2022
From: neville.smythe at optusnet.com.au (Neville Smythe)
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2022 10:18:46 +1000
Subject: Is LC encryption different for Mac than for Windows??
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1656777602.301462.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.1.1656777602.301462.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BEFA7F9A-2C9F-4918-85D5-03700BDA1E0D@optusnet.com.au>

Is socketTimeOut set high enough?


Neville



From ms1 at soas.ac.uk  Sun Jul  3 09:26:24 2022
From: ms1 at soas.ac.uk (Muaath Salih)
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2022 14:26:24 +0100
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <CAN8cKhT_2sp7weJQ3-7A=ujXc=DJQDUtOUxYi_vuCc9KcV_6bA@mail.gmail.com>



From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Sun Jul  3 18:02:14 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2022 22:02:14 +0000
Subject: Is LC encryption different for Mac than for Windows??
In-Reply-To: <BEFA7F9A-2C9F-4918-85D5-03700BDA1E0D@optusnet.com.au>
References: <mailman.1.1656777602.301462.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
 <BEFA7F9A-2C9F-4918-85D5-03700BDA1E0D@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <903A67EB-C6ED-47EC-9683-9747DCF86688@iotecdigital.com>

Ill check later. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 2, 2022, at 17:20, Neville Smythe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Is socketTimeOut set high enough?
> 
> 
> Neville
> 
> 
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From panos.merakos at livecode.com  Mon Jul  4 11:08:50 2022
From: panos.merakos at livecode.com (panagiotis merakos)
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2022 18:08:50 +0300
Subject: [ANN] Release 9.6.8 RC-3
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq-D7RRCo89gw74raX4Ka_o63X8Vv2MVLh1h2=XS72ZEgw@mail.gmail.com>

Dear list members,

We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.8 RC-3.


Getting the Release
===================
You can find the release in your LiveCode account area or get it via the
automatic updater. To find the 9.6.8 RC-3 test release in your LiveCode
account, please scroll down to below the list of stable releases, to find
your available test releases.

Release Contents
================
LiveCode 9.6.8 RC-3 comes with 1 regression bugfix:

- The standalone builder now ensures all executables in a macOS standalone
only contain the requested architectures

For the full list of all fixes, updates and enhancements please see the
release notes:
http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/9_6_8/LiveCodeNotes-9_6_8_rc_3.pdf


Known issues
============
- The Browser widget's native layer is not shown in some Linux distros with
Cinnamon window manager.
- The use of the Browser widget is not supported on Ubuntu 18.04 64 bit LTS
yet.


Required Software
=================
To build iOS apps with LiveCode you must have the appropriate versions of
Xcode as follows:

  - macOS 10.13.4: Xcode 10.1 - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS 12.1
SDK
  - macOS 10.14.4: Xcode 11.3.x - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS
13.2 SDK
  - macOS 10.15.4: Xcode 12.4.x - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS
14.4 SDK
  - macOS 11+  : Xcode 13.2.x - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS 15.2
SDK

There is a full list of working LiveCode/macOS/Xcode combinations here:
https://livecode.com/faq

Note: Whilst we endeavour to release updated versions of LiveCode
supporting the latest Xcode/iOS SDKs as quickly as possible; we strongly
recommend disabling automatic update of Xcode or downloading the specific
version of Xcode required directly from the Apple developer portal and
installing it separately.

Important: From the start of April 2022, Apple is only accepting apps built
using iOS15.x SDKs. This means that, if you wish to submit apps to the
AppStore you will have to be running at least macOS 11 in order to be able
to install the necessary version of Xcode.

To build macOS apps with an Apple architecture slice requires macOS High
Sierra (10.13) or higher.


Feedback
========
Please report any bugs encountered on our quality center at
http://quality.livecode.com/

We have a forum available for discussing LiveCode at
http://forums.livecode.com


Have fun!
The LiveCode Team
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From mkoob at rogers.com  Mon Jul  4 12:06:54 2022
From: mkoob at rogers.com (Martin Koob)
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2022 12:06:54 -0400
Subject: {OT} Are there any ffmpeg "experts" on this list?
In-Reply-To: <c53d859099158626d1f61a284a83337f@livecode.com>
References: <acc85400-7066-25c8-e2e0-90648af8e3eb@researchware.com>
 <CA+JfEq_5uMjGPGXUUdPeTTY84-9LxFW4bxyZVXss292-4QJrKA@mail.gmail.com>
 <b4593ee5-0c9f-b629-949b-65c70af5a23e@researchware.com>
 <c53d859099158626d1f61a284a83337f@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <2B9CC490-0274-4F09-AB1E-921F14511B68@rogers.com>

Hi Mark

Yes mergAV can be used concatenate videos, resize them, layer them and then export them to a video file.   I wrote an app that did this a while ago on LiveCode 6.7.3.   I haven’t tried using mergAV on LC 9.x.  

It would be nice if there was a set of common commands that could be used to do video editing on either Mac or Windows, just like player object does with video playback.
Probably not a high demand for that though to make it cost effective.

Martin

> On Jun 24, 2022, at 12:23 PM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> FWIW, I *think* mergAV can do similar things on macOS* to the mediafoundation external on Windows - although the APIs, while similar, do require different code.


From paul at researchware.com  Tue Jul  5 17:20:29 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2022 17:20:29 -0400
Subject: Images and arrays...
Message-ID: <ea9b3564-6af6-1f28-9a66-5eadad3b91ec@researchware.com>

I am drawing a blank:

If I have the following code:

                   export snapshot from rect tRect of player 
"mediaConvert" of stack "libHrAPI" to tImage as PNG
                   put tImage into pRefArray[tRef]

The actual image (not a reference, such as a long ID) is placed in the 
tRefArray[tRef] array element

However, if I have a variable tImageID that contains a reference to an 
image such as

image id 10328 of card id 10001 of stack "X"

How do I get that actual Image stored in the array?

put tImageID into pRefArray[tRef] -- results in the array element 
storing the long ID

put (tImageID) into pRefArray[tRef] -- also results in the array element 
storing the long ID. I thought the () might for the long ID to be 
evaluated to an actual image





From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Jul  5 21:47:24 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2022 01:47:24 +0000
Subject: Images and arrays...
In-Reply-To: <ea9b3564-6af6-1f28-9a66-5eadad3b91ec@researchware.com>
References: <ea9b3564-6af6-1f28-9a66-5eadad3b91ec@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <5AC38BAA-8D60-4202-8E21-D0804FBB8A34@iotecdigital.com>

Put the imageData? 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 5, 2022, at 18:40, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I am drawing a blank:
> 
> If I have the following code:
> 
>                   export snapshot from rect tRect of player "mediaConvert" of stack "libHrAPI" to tImage as PNG
>                   put tImage into pRefArray[tRef]
> 
> The actual image (not a reference, such as a long ID) is placed in the tRefArray[tRef] array element
> 
> However, if I have a variable tImageID that contains a reference to an image such as
> 
> image id 10328 of card id 10001 of stack "X"
> 
> How do I get that actual Image stored in the array?
> 
> put tImageID into pRefArray[tRef] -- results in the array element storing the long ID
> 
> put (tImageID) into pRefArray[tRef] -- also results in the array element storing the long ID. I thought the () might for the long ID to be evaluated to an actual image
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Jul  5 21:49:26 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2022 01:49:26 +0000
Subject: Is LC encryption different for Mac than for Windows??
In-Reply-To: <903A67EB-C6ED-47EC-9683-9747DCF86688@iotecdigital.com>
References: <mailman.1.1656777602.301462.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
 <BEFA7F9A-2C9F-4918-85D5-03700BDA1E0D@optusnet.com.au>
 <903A67EB-C6ED-47EC-9683-9747DCF86688@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <3EF815F8-847D-4094-9938-8AA8DF171889@iotecdigital.com>

So strange. I built in some logging, removed the base64 stuff, and now it works! Timing problem of some sort? Who knows. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 3, 2022, at 15:03, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Ill check later. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 2, 2022, at 17:20, Neville Smythe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Is socketTimeOut set high enough?
>> 
>> 
>> Neville
>> 
>> 
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From tom at makeshyft.com  Tue Jul  5 23:22:38 2022
From: tom at makeshyft.com (Tom Glod)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2022 23:22:38 -0400
Subject: Images and arrays...
In-Reply-To: <5AC38BAA-8D60-4202-8E21-D0804FBB8A34@iotecdigital.com>
References: <ea9b3564-6af6-1f28-9a66-5eadad3b91ec@researchware.com>
 <5AC38BAA-8D60-4202-8E21-D0804FBB8A34@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CAPzQJLKkRVmttyPD4yeZ8fxOXuCb3=uHaKtgs8FmejY+M3Ed4A@mail.gmail.com>

imagedata does not include alpha

as odd as it sounds .... "the text of image" contains all of the data.

:D

On Tue, Jul 5, 2022 at 9:48 PM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Put the imageData?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jul 5, 2022, at 18:40, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > I am drawing a blank:
> >
> > If I have the following code:
> >
> >                   export snapshot from rect tRect of player
> "mediaConvert" of stack "libHrAPI" to tImage as PNG
> >                   put tImage into pRefArray[tRef]
> >
> > The actual image (not a reference, such as a long ID) is placed in the
> tRefArray[tRef] array element
> >
> > However, if I have a variable tImageID that contains a reference to an
> image such as
> >
> > image id 10328 of card id 10001 of stack "X"
> >
> > How do I get that actual Image stored in the array?
> >
> > put tImageID into pRefArray[tRef] -- results in the array element
> storing the long ID
> >
> > put (tImageID) into pRefArray[tRef] -- also results in the array element
> storing the long ID. I thought the () might for the long ID to be evaluated
> to an actual image
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From neville.smythe at optusnet.com.au  Wed Jul  6 00:57:17 2022
From: neville.smythe at optusnet.com.au (Neville Smythe)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2022 14:57:17 +1000
Subject: Is LC encryption different for Mac than for Windows??
Message-ID: <1DF8F62E-8EEE-4FB9-9F92-04F5C43AC6E7@optusnet.com.au>

Bob Sneider wrote
> So strange. I built in some logging, removed the base64 stuff, and now it 
> works! Timing problem of some sort? Who knows. 

That’s what I was inferring. I’d suggest you increase socketTimeOut to avoid the problem recurring (or reduce it if you want to test that timing was the problem!)

It may well be that

> A socket is a socket

but performance ain’t performance

Neville


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Jul  6 11:15:17 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2022 15:15:17 +0000
Subject: Is LC encryption different for Mac than for Windows??
In-Reply-To: <1DF8F62E-8EEE-4FB9-9F92-04F5C43AC6E7@optusnet.com.au>
References: <1DF8F62E-8EEE-4FB9-9F92-04F5C43AC6E7@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <4521035E-856F-4C0D-AF6E-643C0E8D2B3B@iotecdigital.com>

Thanks. I still have to test outside the network. If I have issues I will definitely check the socketTimeoutInterval. Currently it is 10000. I take it that is milliseconds. 

Bob S


> On Jul 5, 2022, at 21:57 , Neville Smythe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Bob Sneider wrote
>> So strange. I built in some logging, removed the base64 stuff, and now it 
>> works! Timing problem of some sort? Who knows. 
> 
> That’s what I was inferring. I’d suggest you increase socketTimeOut to avoid the problem recurring (or reduce it if you want to test that timing was the problem!)
> 
> It may well be that
> 
>> A socket is a socket
> 
> but performance ain’t performance
> 
> Neville
> 
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From panos.merakos at livecode.com  Fri Jul  8 08:03:55 2022
From: panos.merakos at livecode.com (panagiotis merakos)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2022 15:03:55 +0300
Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.8
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq9kw1C9=WHBSY=F9NoVz7eGKM3BocQOpj_Bj4L-C28A8A@mail.gmail.com>

Dear list members,

We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.8 STABLE

You can find more details on the bug fixes and improvements of this new
release here:

https://livecode.com/livecode-9-6-8-stable-m1-and-onwards-apple-architecture-support/

You can find the release in your LiveCode account area or get it via the
automatic updater.

Enjoy!

Kind regards
The LiveCode Team
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From markclark at mac.com  Fri Jul  8 13:21:55 2022
From: markclark at mac.com (Mark Clark)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2022 12:21:55 -0500
Subject: MegaBundle whatnot
Message-ID: <CDD98B84-53B7-493F-B620-EF55CB7190D3@mac.com>

I went ahead and purchased the megabundle, mostly for the LC Enhancement piece. Got that download and clicked the install widgets and the widgets all show “unlicensed.” Hmm, what?

Tried to re-license and for some reason I only see my business license as an option (also have the old commercial license whatever that maps to now). So, np figure it out later, selected business license and LC starts but the enhancements still show unlicensed. Is there something manual I’m missing? 

TIA,
Mark (on digest mode)

From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Jul  8 13:34:30 2022
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2022 10:34:30 -0700
Subject: Tree Widget: hilitedValue?
Message-ID: <40617774-9e2b-4c3d-7cbe-df34553aab16@fourthworld.com>

I see the Tree widget supports a hilitedElement property, which is 
useful for managing the selection in the UI.

Is there a one-liner for obtaining not the element path but the value?

It wouldn't kill me to extract the arrayData and turn a hilitedElement 
path like:

   level1,level2,level3,

...into a proper array notation to obtain the value at:

   tArray["level1"]["level2"]["level3"]

But it seems such a common need I'm guessing I'm overlooking a more 
direct way to do that.

TIA -

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com


From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Fri Jul  8 15:00:23 2022
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2022 21:00:23 +0200
Subject: MegaBundle whatnot
In-Reply-To: <CDD98B84-53B7-493F-B620-EF55CB7190D3@mac.com>
References: <CDD98B84-53B7-493F-B620-EF55CB7190D3@mac.com>
Message-ID: <F108D036-0B45-4FB5-B31F-F595DF7B6174@m-r-d.de>

Mark,

that seems to be a problem with Indy and Business licenses. I can reproduce it here with an Indy license. Seems, the Enh.Pack needs to be modified a little bit.;)

As you are on digest mode and i do not know when you read this, I've filed a bug already to speed it up a little bit.

https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23799 <https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23799>

Maybe you want to add yourself to the CC list.

Regards,
Matthias


> Am 08.07.2022 um 19:21 schrieb Mark Clark via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> I went ahead and purchased the megabundle, mostly for the LC Enhancement piece. Got that download and clicked the install widgets and the widgets all show “unlicensed.” Hmm, what?
> 
> Tried to re-license and for some reason I only see my business license as an option (also have the old commercial license whatever that maps to now). So, np figure it out later, selected business license and LC starts but the enhancements still show unlicensed. Is there something manual I’m missing? 
> 
> TIA,
> Mark (on digest mode)
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Jul  8 19:14:40 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2022 23:14:40 +0000
Subject: Encrypted Data over Sockets
Message-ID: <FF0057BE-4B5F-4D66-8F6D-117760E44A22@iotecdigital.com>

Hi all. 

I'm running into a curious thing. I am sending encrypted data over a socket connection. When I send the data, I am using blocking mode, where the commands look like this:

         if tCurrentConnectionA ["ssl"] is true then
            put slyEncrypt(tSocketData) into tSocketData
         end if
         
         close socket tSocket -- in case it was left open
         open socket to tSocket
         write tSocketData & linefeed to socket tSocket
         read from socket tSocket until linefeed
         put it into tReceivedData
         
         if the last char of tReceivedData is linefeed then \
               delete last char of tReceivedData
         
         close socket tSocket
         
         if tCurrentConnectionA ["ssl"] is true then
            put slyDecrypt(tReceivedData) into tReceivedData
         end if

Now just to belay questions that might be asked, I know that the read from socket is working because I get a salted hash back, so the server is doing what it is supposed to on the other end. 

However when I go to decrypt the hash I am SOMETIMES getting the dreaded Wrong final block length as an error. Curiously, sometimes it works! 

My suspicion is that the hash contains a linefeed (sometimes). So the question I have is, what character is GUARANTEED to NOT be in an aes256 hash? I need a delimiter. Read from socket until eof fails with a timeout. That is intensly unfortunate by the way, it ought to work. 

Bob S



From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Fri Jul  8 19:35:41 2022
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2022 16:35:41 -0700
Subject: Encrypted Data over Sockets
In-Reply-To: <FF0057BE-4B5F-4D66-8F6D-117760E44A22@iotecdigital.com>
References: <FF0057BE-4B5F-4D66-8F6D-117760E44A22@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <ac255d29-5ef6-bf32-abeb-b624197aaabd@sonic.net>

On 7/8/22 16:14, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:

> My suspicion is that the hash contains a linefeed (sometimes). So the question I have is, what character is GUARANTEED to NOT be in an aes256 hash?

Not a valid question.

If you really need to send binary data over a socket connection, start 
by sending a header that contains the data length. Extract that and then 
read that many bytes.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Jul  8 19:49:22 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2022 23:49:22 +0000
Subject: Encrypted Data over Sockets
In-Reply-To: <ac255d29-5ef6-bf32-abeb-b624197aaabd@sonic.net>
References: <FF0057BE-4B5F-4D66-8F6D-117760E44A22@iotecdigital.com>
 <ac255d29-5ef6-bf32-abeb-b624197aaabd@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <9CFC5800-6F23-473F-8277-2247C77B5F0D@iotecdigital.com>

Well I disabled encryption alltogether, sending and receiving an encoded array instead. Upon trying to decode I still get an error, and looking at what I get back, it LOOKS like an encoded array. They is just something wrong with the data. Curiously, if I just send and receive plain text it works every time. 

Bob S


> On Jul 8, 2022, at 16:35 , Mark Wieder via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> On 7/8/22 16:14, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
> 
>> My suspicion is that the hash contains a linefeed (sometimes). So the question I have is, what character is GUARANTEED to NOT be in an aes256 hash?
> 
> Not a valid question.
> 
> If you really need to send binary data over a socket connection, start by sending a header that contains the data length. Extract that and then read that many bytes.
> 
> -- 
> Mark Wieder
> ahsoftware at gmail.com
> 
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From alex at tweedly.net  Fri Jul  8 20:47:07 2022
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2022 01:47:07 +0100
Subject: Encrypted Data over Sockets
In-Reply-To: <9CFC5800-6F23-473F-8277-2247C77B5F0D@iotecdigital.com>
References: <FF0057BE-4B5F-4D66-8F6D-117760E44A22@iotecdigital.com>
 <ac255d29-5ef6-bf32-abeb-b624197aaabd@sonic.net>
 <9CFC5800-6F23-473F-8277-2247C77B5F0D@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <11cf1e98-486c-bd59-1fa6-dc0c620c91a9@tweedly.net>

But, an encoded array is STILL binary data. So any issues with "read 
until linefeed" will still exist.

Try sending a header with number of bytes, followed by the bytes.

If you really wanted, you could do:

    write  (the number of bytes in tSocketData) & linefeed to socket tSocket
    write tSocketData & linefeed to socket tSocket

and then when you read,

    read from socket tSocket until linefeed
    put it into tNumBytes
    read from socket tSocket until linefeed
    put it into tData

and compare tNumbytes with the number of bytes in tData

Or, just do

    read tnumbytes form socket tSocket

Alex.

On 09/07/2022 00:49, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
> Well I disabled encryption alltogether, sending and receiving an encoded array instead. Upon trying to decode I still get an error, and looking at what I get back, it LOOKS like an encoded array. They is just something wrong with the data. Curiously, if I just send and receive plain text it works every time.
>
> Bob S
>
>
>> On Jul 8, 2022, at 16:35 , Mark Wieder via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> On 7/8/22 16:14, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
>>
>>> My suspicion is that the hash contains a linefeed (sometimes). So the question I have is, what character is GUARANTEED to NOT be in an aes256 hash?
>> Not a valid question.
>>
>> If you really need to send binary data over a socket connection, start by sending a header that contains the data length. Extract that and then read that many bytes.
>>
>> -- 
>> Mark Wieder
>> ahsoftware at gmail.com
>>
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From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Fri Jul  8 20:48:41 2022
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2022 17:48:41 -0700
Subject: Encrypted Data over Sockets
In-Reply-To: <9CFC5800-6F23-473F-8277-2247C77B5F0D@iotecdigital.com>
References: <FF0057BE-4B5F-4D66-8F6D-117760E44A22@iotecdigital.com>
 <ac255d29-5ef6-bf32-abeb-b624197aaabd@sonic.net>
 <9CFC5800-6F23-473F-8277-2247C77B5F0D@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <49890233-a7b7-4437-8f1d-91d38f1ebf91@sonic.net>

On 7/8/22 16:49, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
> Well I disabled encryption alltogether, sending and receiving an encoded array instead. Upon trying to decode I still get an error, and looking at what I get back, it LOOKS like an encoded array. They is just something wrong with the data. Curiously, if I just send and receive plain text it works every time.

Not sure what "looks like" an encoded array should mean.
When you encode an array you get binary data. You can't treat it like text.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com


From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Fri Jul  8 20:58:03 2022
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2022 17:58:03 -0700
Subject: Encrypted Data over Sockets
In-Reply-To: <11cf1e98-486c-bd59-1fa6-dc0c620c91a9@tweedly.net>
References: <FF0057BE-4B5F-4D66-8F6D-117760E44A22@iotecdigital.com>
 <ac255d29-5ef6-bf32-abeb-b624197aaabd@sonic.net>
 <9CFC5800-6F23-473F-8277-2247C77B5F0D@iotecdigital.com>
 <11cf1e98-486c-bd59-1fa6-dc0c620c91a9@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <d8afb006-eded-fd49-680d-f242e9a1b1f6@sonic.net>

On 7/8/22 17:47, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:
> But, an encoded array is STILL binary data. So any issues with "read 
> until linefeed" will still exist.
> 
> Try sending a header with number of bytes, followed by the bytes.

Yeah.
What he said.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Jul  8 22:14:42 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2022 02:14:42 +0000
Subject: Encrypted Data over Sockets
In-Reply-To: <49890233-a7b7-4437-8f1d-91d38f1ebf91@sonic.net>
References: <FF0057BE-4B5F-4D66-8F6D-117760E44A22@iotecdigital.com>
 <ac255d29-5ef6-bf32-abeb-b624197aaabd@sonic.net>
 <9CFC5800-6F23-473F-8277-2247C77B5F0D@iotecdigital.com>
 <49890233-a7b7-4437-8f1d-91d38f1ebf91@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <D1C9158B-4793-41AE-83D0-138B50F3A67C@iotecdigital.com>

It looks after the agent receives it generally like how it looked after I encoded the array but before I sent it. Obviously it's not the same. Something is corrupting it over the wire. I am not even using encryption now, just sending the encoded array data and a delimiter. When it decodes on the other end now, arrayDecode fails. 

I guess the question I *should* be asking is, how do I encode binary data to be sent over the wire so that it doesn't become corrupted? 

Bob S


> On Jul 8, 2022, at 17:48 , Mark Wieder via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> On 7/8/22 16:49, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
>> Well I disabled encryption alltogether, sending and receiving an encoded array instead. Upon trying to decode I still get an error, and looking at what I get back, it LOOKS like an encoded array. They is just something wrong with the data. Curiously, if I just send and receive plain text it works every time.
> 
> Not sure what "looks like" an encoded array should mean.
> When you encode an array you get binary data. You can't treat it like text.
> 
> -- 
> Mark Wieder
> ahsoftware at gmail.com
> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Jul  8 22:47:40 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2022 02:47:40 +0000
Subject: Encrypted Data over Sockets
In-Reply-To: <D1C9158B-4793-41AE-83D0-138B50F3A67C@iotecdigital.com>
References: <FF0057BE-4B5F-4D66-8F6D-117760E44A22@iotecdigital.com>
 <ac255d29-5ef6-bf32-abeb-b624197aaabd@sonic.net>
 <9CFC5800-6F23-473F-8277-2247C77B5F0D@iotecdigital.com>
 <49890233-a7b7-4437-8f1d-91d38f1ebf91@sonic.net>
 <D1C9158B-4793-41AE-83D0-138B50F3A67C@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <4B7BF8DA-6182-41EF-A409-252A4B8B8D6B@iotecdigital.com>

Okay apparently base64Encode/Decode is my friend. I have this working now without encryption. I will re-enable encryption and see if that works. 

Bob S


> On Jul 8, 2022, at 19:14 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> It looks after the agent receives it generally like how it looked after I encoded the array but before I sent it. Obviously it's not the same. Something is corrupting it over the wire. I am not even using encryption now, just sending the encoded array data and a delimiter. When it decodes on the other end now, arrayDecode fails. 
> 
> I guess the question I *should* be asking is, how do I encode binary data to be sent over the wire so that it doesn't become corrupted? 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Jul 8, 2022, at 17:48 , Mark Wieder via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> On 7/8/22 16:49, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
>>> Well I disabled encryption alltogether, sending and receiving an encoded array instead. Upon trying to decode I still get an error, and looking at what I get back, it LOOKS like an encoded array. They is just something wrong with the data. Curiously, if I just send and receive plain text it works every time.
>> 
>> Not sure what "looks like" an encoded array should mean.
>> When you encode an array you get binary data. You can't treat it like text.
>> 
>> -- 
>> Mark Wieder
>> ahsoftware at gmail.com
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Jul  8 22:53:58 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2022 02:53:58 +0000
Subject: Encrypted Data over Sockets
In-Reply-To: <D1C9158B-4793-41AE-83D0-138B50F3A67C@iotecdigital.com>
References: <FF0057BE-4B5F-4D66-8F6D-117760E44A22@iotecdigital.com>
 <ac255d29-5ef6-bf32-abeb-b624197aaabd@sonic.net>
 <9CFC5800-6F23-473F-8277-2247C77B5F0D@iotecdigital.com>
 <49890233-a7b7-4437-8f1d-91d38f1ebf91@sonic.net>
 <D1C9158B-4793-41AE-83D0-138B50F3A67C@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <0FE598F2-3CF3-4D4E-8300-F608B3D8897E@iotecdigital.com>

Hi all. 

Thanks for putting up with me. I finally got it all to work using base64Encode/Decode on the encrypted string before sending it with a delimiter appended. Same thing coming back. 

Thank for all your patience. I almost became a patient myself. 

Bob S


> On Jul 8, 2022, at 19:14 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> It looks after the agent receives it generally like how it looked after I encoded the array but before I sent it. Obviously it's not the same. Something is corrupting it over the wire. I am not even using encryption now, just sending the encoded array data and a delimiter. When it decodes on the other end now, arrayDecode fails. 
> 
> I guess the question I *should* be asking is, how do I encode binary data to be sent over the wire so that it doesn't become corrupted? 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Jul 8, 2022, at 17:48 , Mark Wieder via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> On 7/8/22 16:49, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
>>> Well I disabled encryption alltogether, sending and receiving an encoded array instead. Upon trying to decode I still get an error, and looking at what I get back, it LOOKS like an encoded array. They is just something wrong with the data. Curiously, if I just send and receive plain text it works every time.
>> 
>> Not sure what "looks like" an encoded array should mean.
>> When you encode an array you get binary data. You can't treat it like text.
>> 
>> -- 
>> Mark Wieder
>> ahsoftware at gmail.com
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> 
> 
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From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Sat Jul  9 03:39:50 2022
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2022 09:39:50 +0200
Subject: MegaBundle whatnot
In-Reply-To: <F108D036-0B45-4FB5-B31F-F595DF7B6174@m-r-d.de>
References: <F108D036-0B45-4FB5-B31F-F595DF7B6174@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <96C795BD-3743-4913-AEDF-2D5D1C17E723@m-r-d.de>

Mark,
What I forgot.

I assume you have a current subscription, right?
So why do you not try a newer LC release; one of the new editions without Indy and business in the name? Anything higher than 9.63 should do. 

Regards
Matthias

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

> Am 08.07.2022 um 21:01 schrieb matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de:
> 
> Mark,
> 
> that seems to be a problem with Indy and Business licenses. I can reproduce it here with an Indy license. Seems, the Enh.Pack needs to be modified a little bit.;)
> 
> As you are on digest mode and i do not know when you read this, I've filed a bug already to speed it up a little bit.
> 
> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23799
> 
> Maybe you want to add yourself to the CC list.
> 
> Regards,
> Matthias
> 
> 
>> Am 08.07.2022 um 19:21 schrieb Mark Clark via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>> 
>> I went ahead and purchased the megabundle, mostly for the LC Enhancement piece. Got that download and clicked the install widgets and the widgets all show “unlicensed.” Hmm, what?
>> 
>> Tried to re-license and for some reason I only see my business license as an option (also have the old commercial license whatever that maps to now). So, np figure it out later, selected business license and LC starts but the enhancements still show unlicensed. Is there something manual I’m missing? 
>> 
>> TIA,
>> Mark (on digest mode)
>> _______________________________________________
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>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> 

From kaveh at rivervalleytechnologies.com  Sat Jul  9 07:41:26 2022
From: kaveh at rivervalleytechnologies.com (Kaveh)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2022 12:41:26 +0100
Subject: MegaBundle whatnot
In-Reply-To: <96C795BD-3743-4913-AEDF-2D5D1C17E723@m-r-d.de>
References: <F108D036-0B45-4FB5-B31F-F595DF7B6174@m-r-d.de>
 <96C795BD-3743-4913-AEDF-2D5D1C17E723@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <CAJ2R9piz-OwNStU0p7ORqPVerv7z8Pe52GKMfUrbSG_E=TVKTQ@mail.gmail.com>

Why does LiveCode make the licenses so complicated? I try to understand
from time to time so I can repurchase, then give up...

On Sat, 9 Jul 2022 at 08:41, Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Mark,
> What I forgot.
>
> I assume you have a current subscription, right?
> So why do you not try a newer LC release; one of the new editions without
> Indy and business in the name? Anything higher than 9.63 should do.
>
> Regards
> Matthias
>
> Von meinem iPhone gesendet
>
> > Am 08.07.2022 um 21:01 schrieb matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de:
> >
> > Mark,
> >
> > that seems to be a problem with Indy and Business licenses. I can
> reproduce it here with an Indy license. Seems, the Enh.Pack needs to be
> modified a little bit.;)
> >
> > As you are on digest mode and i do not know when you read this, I've
> filed a bug already to speed it up a little bit.
> >
> > https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23799
> >
> > Maybe you want to add yourself to the CC list.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Matthias
> >
> >
> >> Am 08.07.2022 um 19:21 schrieb Mark Clark via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> >>
> >> I went ahead and purchased the megabundle, mostly for the LC
> Enhancement piece. Got that download and clicked the install widgets and
> the widgets all show “unlicensed.” Hmm, what?
> >>
> >> Tried to re-license and for some reason I only see my business license
> as an option (also have the old commercial license whatever that maps to
> now). So, np figure it out later, selected business license and LC starts
> but the enhancements still show unlicensed. Is there something manual I’m
> missing?
> >>
> >> TIA,
> >> Mark (on digest mode)
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> use-livecode mailing list
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >
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From jbv at souslelogo.com  Sat Jul  9 07:43:03 2022
From: jbv at souslelogo.com (jbv at souslelogo.com)
Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2022 07:43:03 -0400
Subject: LC 9.6.8 and UTF-8 on MacOS 10.15
Message-ID: <69ee56759df71bf88f08157d1a83d302@souslelogo.com>

Hi list,

I have a serie of text files in UTF-8 format for which I need to do some 
processing in LC,
and then save to a single text file also in UTF-8.
I am using the following code :

       open file tpath for UTF8 read
       read from file tpath until EOF
       close file tpath1
       --put it into tfile
       put textdecode(it,"UTF-8") into tfile

--    processing

       open file tpath2 for UTF8 write
       write liste_credits to file tpath2
       close file tpath2

If I use "put it into tfile" instead of "put textDecode...", the text 
content is full of typical
gibberish (such as "" instead of "").
I thought the latest LC versions could process UTF-8 natively. So why is 
"textdecode" necessary
to obtain special characters in their true form ?
Thank you in advance.

jbv


From sean at pidigital.co.uk  Sat Jul  9 08:50:49 2022
From: sean at pidigital.co.uk (Pi Digital)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2022 13:50:49 +0100
Subject: LC 9.6.8 and UTF-8 on MacOS 10.15
In-Reply-To: <69ee56759df71bf88f08157d1a83d302@souslelogo.com>
References: <69ee56759df71bf88f08157d1a83d302@souslelogo.com>
Message-ID: <806C3DD1-5EAA-48F5-B8BD-4FAE343D2609@pidigital.co.uk>

What result do you get from:
put it contains “æ”

Sean Cole
Pi

> On 9 Jul 2022, at 12:43, jbv via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> æ

From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Sat Jul  9 11:37:21 2022
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2022 08:37:21 -0700
Subject: Encrypted Data over Sockets
In-Reply-To: <4B7BF8DA-6182-41EF-A409-252A4B8B8D6B@iotecdigital.com>
References: <FF0057BE-4B5F-4D66-8F6D-117760E44A22@iotecdigital.com>
 <ac255d29-5ef6-bf32-abeb-b624197aaabd@sonic.net>
 <9CFC5800-6F23-473F-8277-2247C77B5F0D@iotecdigital.com>
 <49890233-a7b7-4437-8f1d-91d38f1ebf91@sonic.net>
 <D1C9158B-4793-41AE-83D0-138B50F3A67C@iotecdigital.com>
 <4B7BF8DA-6182-41EF-A409-252A4B8B8D6B@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <62687332-7e51-8e02-2709-98c18073ea4f@sonic.net>

On 7/8/22 19:47, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
> Okay apparently base64Encode/Decode is my friend. I have this working now without encryption. I will re-enable encryption and see if that works.

Base64 encoding will do the trick but at the expense of making your data 
strings twice as long as the binary equivalents.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com


From dan at clearvisiontech.com  Sat Jul  9 15:07:44 2022
From: dan at clearvisiontech.com (Dan Friedman)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2022 19:07:44 +0000
Subject: Signing and Uploading apps to the Mac App Store HELL!
Message-ID: <6AECE726-DF3C-4B4B-BE69-5757F25B2C2C@clearvisiontech.com>

Greetings!  I am pulling out my hair in getting my app prepared for the MacApp Store (and for downloading from my website).  I can't take it anymore!!   Is there someone here I can pay to either do this for me, or walk me through this hideous process?

-Dan


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Jul  9 16:17:23 2022
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2022 15:17:23 -0500
Subject: Tree Widget: hilitedValue?
In-Reply-To: <40617774-9e2b-4c3d-7cbe-df34553aab16@fourthworld.com>
References: <40617774-9e2b-4c3d-7cbe-df34553aab16@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <1d6413a2-e2fc-5676-c21c-ffe1be21f960@hyperactivesw.com>

On 7/8/22 12:34 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:
> I see the Tree widget supports a hilitedElement property, which is useful for managing the 
> selection in the UI.
> 
> Is there a one-liner for obtaining not the element path but the value?

I'm using an older version, but here the hilitedElement includes the values of each element in 
the path.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Jul  9 17:07:01 2022
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2022 16:07:01 -0500
Subject: Tree Widget: hilitedValue?
In-Reply-To: <1d6413a2-e2fc-5676-c21c-ffe1be21f960@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <40617774-9e2b-4c3d-7cbe-df34553aab16@fourthworld.com>
 <1d6413a2-e2fc-5676-c21c-ffe1be21f960@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <3aacafc7-a26e-c55f-107c-7272cdc86794@hyperactivesw.com>

On 7/9/22 3:17 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
> On 7/8/22 12:34 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:
>> I see the Tree widget supports a hilitedElement property, which is useful for managing the 
>> selection in the UI.
>>
>> Is there a one-liner for obtaining not the element path but the value?
> 
> I'm using an older version, but here the hilitedElement includes the values of each element in 
> the path.
> 

I misunderstood, you don't mean just the names of the elements. The value shows up as part of 
the tree unless you turn off "show values". I think you'll have to parse the array to actually 
get the values in a leaf.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From markclark at mac.com  Sat Jul  9 19:25:10 2022
From: markclark at mac.com (Mark Clark)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2022 18:25:10 -0500
Subject: use-livecode Digest, Vol 226, Issue 8
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1657382401.403523.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.3.1657382401.403523.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <9AC9115B-E414-471E-8729-107880559181@mac.com>

Hey, saw your post  this am and much appreciated. I sent a request to support as well. 

Thanks for the assist and confirmation!

Mark

It seems that each time I sign up for the bug tracker and or forums my main livecode.com <http://livecode.com/> password gets mangled. Been happening for years and if I remember I’ll ask for support help there. Likely something to do with keychain being confused about similar url’s.

> On Jul 9, 2022, at 11:00 AM, use-livecode-request at lists.runrev.com wrote:
> 
> As you are on digest mode and i do not know when you read this, I've filed a bug already to speed it up a little bit.
> 
> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23799 <https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23799> <https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23799 <https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23799>>
> 
> Maybe you want to add yourself to the CC list.
> 
> Regards,
> Matthias


From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Sat Jul  9 19:34:49 2022
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2022 01:34:49 +0200
Subject: use-livecode Digest, Vol 226, Issue 8
In-Reply-To: <9AC9115B-E414-471E-8729-107880559181@mac.com>
References: <mailman.3.1657382401.403523.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
 <9AC9115B-E414-471E-8729-107880559181@mac.com>
Message-ID: <1F9D5EFE-55D7-4B15-93B8-4DF55115FF7B@m-r-d.de>



> Am 10.07.2022 um 01:25 schrieb Mark Clark via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Hey, saw your post  this am and much appreciated. I sent a request to support as well. 
> 
> Thanks for the assist and confirmation!
> 
> Mark
> 
> It seems that each time I sign up for the bug tracker and or forums my main livecode.com <http://livecode.com/> password gets mangled. Been happening for years and if I remember I’ll ask for support help there. Likely something to do with keychain being confused about similar url’s.
> 
The easiest way to see if it is really a keychain thing is, search for livecode in KeyChain.app and delete all Livecode entries and then reset your password for Livecode.com <http://livecode.com/> account and the QualityCenter.

Regards,
Matthias


>> On Jul 9, 2022, at 11:00 AM, use-livecode-request at lists.runrev.com wrote:
>> 
>> As you are on digest mode and i do not know when you read this, I've filed a bug already to speed it up a little bit.
>> 
>> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23799 <https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23799> <https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23799 <https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23799>>
>> 
>> Maybe you want to add yourself to the CC list.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Matthias
> 
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> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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From brian at milby7.com  Sat Jul  9 20:11:29 2022
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2022 20:11:29 -0400
Subject: Tree Widget: hilitedValue?
In-Reply-To: <3aacafc7-a26e-c55f-107c-7272cdc86794@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <40617774-9e2b-4c3d-7cbe-df34553aab16@fourthworld.com>
 <1d6413a2-e2fc-5676-c21c-ffe1be21f960@hyperactivesw.com>
 <3aacafc7-a26e-c55f-107c-7272cdc86794@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <CA+yhkRZFX5_fN3=VomXM9j7+c2=QYM4CvYBWYJvF6M+-H0VB4g@mail.gmail.com>

I don't think there is an existing one liner, but it can be done a couple
ways.

Here is a recursive function defined in the PI code for Custom Props:

on fetchArrayDataOnPath pPath, pArray, @rData
   local tKey
   put item 1 of pPath into tKey
   if the number of items in pPath is 1 then
      if tKey is not among the keys of pArray then
         return "no such key"
      else
         put pArray[tKey] into rData
         return empty
      end if
   else
      delete item 1 of pPath
      fetchArrayDataOnPath pPath, pArray[tKey], rData
   end if
end fetchArrayDataOnPath

There are other handlers in that script that could be useful as well
(add/set/delete).

You could also turn the path into an array (but lose the error checking
above):

function getValue pArray, pPath
   split pPath by comma
   return pArray[pPath]
end getValue

Thanks,
Brian

On Sat, Jul 9, 2022 at 5:08 PM J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> On 7/9/22 3:17 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
> > On 7/8/22 12:34 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:
> >> I see the Tree widget supports a hilitedElement property, which is
> useful for managing the
> >> selection in the UI.
> >>
> >> Is there a one-liner for obtaining not the element path but the value?
> >
> > I'm using an older version, but here the hilitedElement includes the
> values of each element in
> > the path.
> >
>
> I misunderstood, you don't mean just the names of the elements. The value
> shows up as part of
> the tree unless you turn off "show values". I think you'll have to parse
> the array to actually
> get the values in a leaf.
>
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From paul at researchware.com  Sun Jul 10 12:58:16 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2022 12:58:16 -0400
Subject: macOS Ventura (13.x.x)...
Message-ID: <d5e67423-cdb5-00c6-7b53-1811e161e16f@researchware.com>

Is anyone out there in Livecode land running a developer beta of macOS 
Ventura (13.x.x)?

If so, I am hoping you can perform a quick test:

systemVersion() returns 10.16 for macOS Big Sur or Monterey under 
Livecode 9.6.7 and earlier (in the 9.6.x versions). The systemVersion() 
bug was just fixed in LC 9.6.8.

I'd like to ask if someone on Ventura (13.x.x) can run LC 9.6.7 or any 
9.6.x less than 9.6.8) and confirm that systemVersion() also reports 
10.16 for macOS Ventura - i.e. that the systemVersion() bug behaves the 
same way under Ventura for recent versions of LC less than LC 9.6.8.

Thank you to anyone that can do this test in advance,

Paul Dupuis
Researchware


From colinholgate at gmail.com  Sun Jul 10 13:26:31 2022
From: colinholgate at gmail.com (Colin Holgate)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2022 11:26:31 -0600
Subject: macOS Ventura (13.x.x)...
In-Reply-To: <d5e67423-cdb5-00c6-7b53-1811e161e16f@researchware.com>
References: <d5e67423-cdb5-00c6-7b53-1811e161e16f@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <C049455B-82E1-4B0D-8CF8-BA856B380C2B@gmail.com>

With 9.6.3 Community version, showing the message box, or the script window of a button, crashes LiveCode right away.

Opening a stack made in 9.6.3 with Monterey, does show 10.16.0 when run in 9.6.3 in Ventura.


> On Jul 10, 2022, at 10:58 AM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Is anyone out there in Livecode land running a developer beta of macOS Ventura (13.x.x)?
> 
> If so, I am hoping you can perform a quick test:
> 
> systemVersion() returns 10.16 for macOS Big Sur or Monterey under Livecode 9.6.7 and earlier (in the 9.6.x versions). The systemVersion() bug was just fixed in LC 9.6.8.
> 
> I'd like to ask if someone on Ventura (13.x.x) can run LC 9.6.7 or any 9.6.x less than 9.6.8) and confirm that systemVersion() also reports 10.16 for macOS Ventura - i.e. that the systemVersion() bug behaves the same way under Ventura for recent versions of LC less than LC 9.6.8.
> 
> Thank you to anyone that can do this test in advance,
> 
> Paul Dupuis
> Researchware
> 
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From paul at researchware.com  Sun Jul 10 14:29:08 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2022 14:29:08 -0400
Subject: macOS Ventura (13.x.x)...
In-Reply-To: <C049455B-82E1-4B0D-8CF8-BA856B380C2B@gmail.com>
References: <d5e67423-cdb5-00c6-7b53-1811e161e16f@researchware.com>
 <C049455B-82E1-4B0D-8CF8-BA856B380C2B@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9feab550-465d-f0f3-9754-cf7ba7c96259@researchware.com>

On 7/10/2022 1:26 PM, Colin Holgate via use-livecode wrote:
> With 9.6.3 Community version, showing the message box, or the script window of a button, crashes LiveCode right away.
>
> Opening a stack made in 9.6.3 with Monterey, does show 10.16.0 when run in 9.6.3 in Ventura.
>
>

Thank you.



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sun Jul 10 16:33:15 2022
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2022 13:33:15 -0700
Subject: Tree Widget: hilitedValue?
In-Reply-To: <CA+yhkRZFX5_fN3=VomXM9j7+c2=QYM4CvYBWYJvF6M+-H0VB4g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+yhkRZFX5_fN3=VomXM9j7+c2=QYM4CvYBWYJvF6M+-H0VB4g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9c1a8fdb-0e03-9389-dd6c-ddc85be232f3@fourthworld.com>

Brian Milby wrote:

 > You could also turn the path into an array (but lose the error
 > checking above):
 >
 > function getValue pArray, pPath
 >   split pPath by comma
 >   return pArray[pPath]
 > end getValue

Thanks, Brian. I keep forgetting we can use an array as an element 
specifier.

Has that been around the whole time, or was it added in recent years?

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Jul 10 16:45:35 2022
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2022 15:45:35 -0500
Subject: Tree Widget: hilitedValue?
In-Reply-To: <CA+yhkRZFX5_fN3=VomXM9j7+c2=QYM4CvYBWYJvF6M+-H0VB4g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <40617774-9e2b-4c3d-7cbe-df34553aab16@fourthworld.com>
 <1d6413a2-e2fc-5676-c21c-ffe1be21f960@hyperactivesw.com>
 <3aacafc7-a26e-c55f-107c-7272cdc86794@hyperactivesw.com>
 <CA+yhkRZFX5_fN3=VomXM9j7+c2=QYM4CvYBWYJvF6M+-H0VB4g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d4dda1f9-0908-2b15-2bcc-b74a6e90aa4f@hyperactivesw.com>

On 7/9/22 7:11 PM, Brian Milby via use-livecode wrote:
> function getValue pArray, pPath
>     split pPath by comma
>     return pArray[pPath]
> end getValue

I keep forgetting we can do that. It's cool, but I don't understand how it works. Splitting the 
path by comma produces a numbered array, and yet the function appears to ignore the numerical 
keys and return only the element values.

How come?

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Jul 10 16:49:23 2022
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2022 15:49:23 -0500
Subject: macOS Ventura (13.x.x)...
In-Reply-To: <C049455B-82E1-4B0D-8CF8-BA856B380C2B@gmail.com>
References: <d5e67423-cdb5-00c6-7b53-1811e161e16f@researchware.com>
 <C049455B-82E1-4B0D-8CF8-BA856B380C2B@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <89711cd0-dfea-6c65-1ccb-fb3bedae2896@hyperactivesw.com>

On 7/10/22 12:26 PM, Colin Holgate via use-livecode wrote:
> With 9.6.3 Community version, showing the message box, or the script window of a button, crashes LiveCode right away.

Sounds like the OSS community has some work to do, if there is anyone with the skills still there.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From brian at milby7.com  Sun Jul 10 17:24:06 2022
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2022 17:24:06 -0400
Subject: Tree Widget: hilitedValue?
In-Reply-To: <d4dda1f9-0908-2b15-2bcc-b74a6e90aa4f@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <d4dda1f9-0908-2b15-2bcc-b74a6e90aa4f@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <6ED6C57B-246A-45EB-8128-69A655C9E215@milby7.com>

If pPath[1] = “a” and pPath[2] = “b”
Then pArray[pPath] is the same as saying pArray[“a”][“b”]

I’m not sure when it was added.  It is relatively recent (7 or 8 I think, but not sure)

Thanks,
Brian

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 10, 2022, at 4:46 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> On 7/9/22 7:11 PM, Brian Milby via use-livecode wrote:
>> function getValue pArray, pPath
>>    split pPath by comma
>>    return pArray[pPath]
>> end getValue
> 
> I keep forgetting we can do that. It's cool, but I don't understand how it works. Splitting the path by comma produces a numbered array, and yet the function appears to ignore the numerical keys and return only the element values.
> 
> How come?
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> 
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From paulmcclernan at gmail.com  Mon Jul 11 02:45:01 2022
From: paulmcclernan at gmail.com (Paul McClernan)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2022 02:45:01 -0400
Subject: macOS Ventura (13.x.x)...
In-Reply-To: <89711cd0-dfea-6c65-1ccb-fb3bedae2896@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <d5e67423-cdb5-00c6-7b53-1811e161e16f@researchware.com>
 <C049455B-82E1-4B0D-8CF8-BA856B380C2B@gmail.com>
 <89711cd0-dfea-6c65-1ccb-fb3bedae2896@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <CA+mv_tWFsbE12D4yg0p85ceR6AsVM=94jR=YkKft5myx4CTX8g@mail.gmail.com>

The OSS "community" already had TONs of work to do.

Apparently a lot of other software is crashing with macOS Ventura as well.
I wonder why? Time to install Ventura and find out I guess.

Every year this former mac fan-boy inches closer to becoming a Linux regular.


On Sun, Jul 10, 2022 at 4:50 PM J. Landman Gay via use-livecode
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> On 7/10/22 12:26 PM, Colin Holgate via use-livecode wrote:
> > With 9.6.3 Community version, showing the message box, or the script window of a button, crashes LiveCode right away.
>
> Sounds like the OSS community has some work to do, if there is anyone with the skills still there.
>
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Mon Jul 11 02:53:03 2022
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2022 08:53:03 +0200
Subject: macOS Ventura (13.x.x)...
In-Reply-To: <CA+mv_tWFsbE12D4yg0p85ceR6AsVM=94jR=YkKft5myx4CTX8g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d5e67423-cdb5-00c6-7b53-1811e161e16f@researchware.com>
 <C049455B-82E1-4B0D-8CF8-BA856B380C2B@gmail.com>
 <89711cd0-dfea-6c65-1ccb-fb3bedae2896@hyperactivesw.com>
 <CA+mv_tWFsbE12D4yg0p85ceR6AsVM=94jR=YkKft5myx4CTX8g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAL3fwti_AFp0pQvEOKf_yJmEzkxWuMbkeHxeG7nnkO_yc6oYTg@mail.gmail.com>

Well there go my plans for early adoption.

I do feel that the 'new OS a year' model means that ALL the versions are
unfinished.

I could say the same about LiveCode versions.

Running RevMedia 4 on Xubuntu 22.04 serves as a reminder of some of the
niggles relating to the elevator theory of human evolution.

On Mon, 11 Jul 2022, 08:46 Paul McClernan via use-livecode, <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> The OSS "community" already had TONs of work to do.
>
> Apparently a lot of other software is crashing with macOS Ventura as well.
> I wonder why? Time to install Ventura and find out I guess.
>
> Every year this former mac fan-boy inches closer to becoming a Linux
> regular.
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 10, 2022 at 4:50 PM J. Landman Gay via use-livecode
> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > On 7/10/22 12:26 PM, Colin Holgate via use-livecode wrote:
> > > With 9.6.3 Community version, showing the message box, or the script
> window of a button, crashes LiveCode right away.
> >
> > Sounds like the OSS community has some work to do, if there is anyone
> with the skills still there.
> >
> > --
> > Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> > HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> >
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From heather at livecode.com  Mon Jul 11 04:27:50 2022
From: heather at livecode.com (Heather Laine)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2022 09:27:50 +0100
Subject: MegaBundle whatnot
In-Reply-To: <CAJ2R9piz-OwNStU0p7ORqPVerv7z8Pe52GKMfUrbSG_E=TVKTQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <F108D036-0B45-4FB5-B31F-F595DF7B6174@m-r-d.de>
 <96C795BD-3743-4913-AEDF-2D5D1C17E723@m-r-d.de>
 <CAJ2R9piz-OwNStU0p7ORqPVerv7z8Pe52GKMfUrbSG_E=TVKTQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A342ED1-8FEC-4577-8B0C-C8D7360A7258@livecode.com>

Kaveh and Co,

We have actually simplified the licensing in the move to Single Edition, which is what is causing the confusion here. There is no such thing as Indy or Business anymore. It's all just LiveCode. You pick the platforms you want and off you go...

However the new Enhancements Bundle widgets post-date Indy/Business and hence do not recognise it. The solution being simply to run the latest version. 9.6.8 or 10 dp 4 will be just fine.

Best Regards,

Heather

Heather Laine
Customer Services Manager
LiveCode Ltd
www.livecode.com



> On 9 Jul 2022, at 12:41, Kaveh via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Why does LiveCode make the licenses so complicated? I try to understand
> from time to time so I can repurchase, then give up...
> 
> On Sat, 9 Jul 2022 at 08:41, Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> Mark,
>> What I forgot.
>> 
>> I assume you have a current subscription, right?
>> So why do you not try a newer LC release; one of the new editions without
>> Indy and business in the name? Anything higher than 9.63 should do.
>> 
>> Regards
>> Matthias
>> 
>> Von meinem iPhone gesendet
>> 
>>> Am 08.07.2022 um 21:01 schrieb matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de:
>>> 
>>> Mark,
>>> 
>>> that seems to be a problem with Indy and Business licenses. I can
>> reproduce it here with an Indy license. Seems, the Enh.Pack needs to be
>> modified a little bit.;)
>>> 
>>> As you are on digest mode and i do not know when you read this, I've
>> filed a bug already to speed it up a little bit.
>>> 
>>> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23799
>>> 
>>> Maybe you want to add yourself to the CC list.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Matthias
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Am 08.07.2022 um 19:21 schrieb Mark Clark via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>>> 
>>>> I went ahead and purchased the megabundle, mostly for the LC
>> Enhancement piece. Got that download and clicked the install widgets and
>> the widgets all show “unlicensed.” Hmm, what?
>>>> 
>>>> Tried to re-license and for some reason I only see my business license
>> as an option (also have the old commercial license whatever that maps to
>> now). So, np figure it out later, selected business license and LC starts
>> but the enhancements still show unlicensed. Is there something manual I’m
>> missing?
>>>> 
>>>> TIA,
>>>> Mark (on digest mode)
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From selander at tkf.att.ne.jp  Mon Jul 11 07:35:07 2022
From: selander at tkf.att.ne.jp (Tim Selander)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2022 20:35:07 +0900
Subject: What is the best way to trigger an action at a certain time?
Message-ID: <bedaf0fe-3faf-0122-96e4-6ab5c0de9419@tkf.att.ne.jp>

Dear all,

I want to have an LC app running on a computer doing nothing but 
watching the time. At predetermined times, I then want it to run 
a command. A call to an API on a website.

In the old HC days, I remember using "on idle" to watch for a set 
time. But even then, using "on idle" was less than ideal. CPU 
hog. What is the preferred/LC way to have an app trigger a 
command at a specific time of day?

Any pointers appreciated!

Tim Selander
Tokyo, Japan


From tore.nilsen at me.com  Mon Jul 11 07:43:45 2022
From: tore.nilsen at me.com (Tore Nilsen)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2022 13:43:45 +0200
Subject: What is the best way to trigger an action at a certain time?
In-Reply-To: <bedaf0fe-3faf-0122-96e4-6ab5c0de9419@tkf.att.ne.jp>
References: <bedaf0fe-3faf-0122-96e4-6ab5c0de9419@tkf.att.ne.jp>
Message-ID: <126692CE-04E5-4930-A7DC-5BB96BA49B90@me.com>

For this I would use a recursive approach with «send in time» something like this:

on openStack	
    checkTime
end openStack

on checkTime
  ## Do your routines of checking time, performing the required action etc.
  send checkTime to me in 300 seconds. ## you set the interval to whatever is best for you
end checkTime

Best regards
Tore Nilsen

> 11. jul. 2022 kl. 13:35 skrev Tim Selander via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Dear all,
> 
> I want to have an LC app running on a computer doing nothing but watching the time. At predetermined times, I then want it to run a command. A call to an API on a website.
> 
> In the old HC days, I remember using "on idle" to watch for a set time. But even then, using "on idle" was less than ideal. CPU hog. What is the preferred/LC way to have an app trigger a command at a specific time of day?
> 
> Any pointers appreciated!
> 
> Tim Selander
> Tokyo, Japan
> 
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From selander at tkf.att.ne.jp  Mon Jul 11 07:47:33 2022
From: selander at tkf.att.ne.jp (Tim Selander)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2022 20:47:33 +0900
Subject: What is the best way to trigger an action at a certain time?
In-Reply-To: <126692CE-04E5-4930-A7DC-5BB96BA49B90@me.com>
References: <bedaf0fe-3faf-0122-96e4-6ab5c0de9419@tkf.att.ne.jp>
 <126692CE-04E5-4930-A7DC-5BB96BA49B90@me.com>
Message-ID: <afb1d15b-6b34-068d-45ad-5b844486a3ce@tkf.att.ne.jp>

Tore,

Interesting! 'send in time' is a new one for me.
Thanks!

Tim

On 2022.07.11 20:43, Tore Nilsen via use-livecode wrote:
> For this I would use a recursive approach with «send in time» something like this:
> 
> on openStack	
>      checkTime
> end openStack
> 
> on checkTime
>    ## Do your routines of checking time, performing the required action etc.
>    send checkTime to me in 300 seconds. ## you set the interval to whatever is best for you
> end checkTime
> 
> Best regards
> Tore Nilsen
> 
>> 11. jul. 2022 kl. 13:35 skrev Tim Selander via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> I want to have an LC app running on a computer doing nothing but watching the time. At predetermined times, I then want it to run a command. A call to an API on a website.
>>
>> In the old HC days, I remember using "on idle" to watch for a set time. But even then, using "on idle" was less than ideal. CPU hog. What is the preferred/LC way to have an app trigger a command at a specific time of day?
>>
>> Any pointers appreciated!
>>
>> Tim Selander
>> Tokyo, Japan
>>
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>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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From colinholgate at gmail.com  Mon Jul 11 08:22:20 2022
From: colinholgate at gmail.com (Colin Holgate)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2022 06:22:20 -0600
Subject: macOS Ventura (13.x.x)...
In-Reply-To: <CAL3fwti_AFp0pQvEOKf_yJmEzkxWuMbkeHxeG7nnkO_yc6oYTg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d5e67423-cdb5-00c6-7b53-1811e161e16f@researchware.com>
 <C049455B-82E1-4B0D-8CF8-BA856B380C2B@gmail.com>
 <89711cd0-dfea-6c65-1ccb-fb3bedae2896@hyperactivesw.com>
 <CA+mv_tWFsbE12D4yg0p85ceR6AsVM=94jR=YkKft5myx4CTX8g@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAL3fwti_AFp0pQvEOKf_yJmEzkxWuMbkeHxeG7nnkO_yc6oYTg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8E31A85E-2C32-45EB-BFAB-62C716D9E6AC@gmail.com>

In general, Ventura is going well.

> On Jul 11, 2022, at 12:53 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Well there go my plans for early adoption.
> 
> I do feel that the 'new OS a year' model means that ALL the versions are
> unfinished.
> 
> I could say the same about LiveCode versions.
> 
> Running RevMedia 4 on Xubuntu 22.04 serves as a reminder of some of the
> niggles relating to the elevator theory of human evolution.
> 
> On Mon, 11 Jul 2022, 08:46 Paul McClernan via use-livecode, <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> The OSS "community" already had TONs of work to do.
>> 
>> Apparently a lot of other software is crashing with macOS Ventura as well.
>> I wonder why? Time to install Ventura and find out I guess.
>> 
>> Every year this former mac fan-boy inches closer to becoming a Linux
>> regular.
>> 
>> 
>> On Sun, Jul 10, 2022 at 4:50 PM J. Landman Gay via use-livecode
>> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 7/10/22 12:26 PM, Colin Holgate via use-livecode wrote:
>>>> With 9.6.3 Community version, showing the message box, or the script
>> window of a button, crashes LiveCode right away.
>>> 
>>> Sounds like the OSS community has some work to do, if there is anyone
>> with the skills still there.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>> 
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From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Mon Jul 11 09:14:08 2022
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2022 09:14:08 -0400
Subject: What is the best way to trigger an action at a certain time?
In-Reply-To: <afb1d15b-6b34-068d-45ad-5b844486a3ce@tkf.att.ne.jp>
References: <bedaf0fe-3faf-0122-96e4-6ab5c0de9419@tkf.att.ne.jp>
 <126692CE-04E5-4930-A7DC-5BB96BA49B90@me.com>
 <afb1d15b-6b34-068d-45ad-5b844486a3ce@tkf.att.ne.jp>
Message-ID: <CADCoycMznw7yoHMxjhV6aHuid7cE8pVMZqUAMXQrmVh0mS2wfw@mail.gmail.com>

I've got a library for adding CRON functionality, if you want something
more elaborate.
https://github.com/macMikey/mikeys-cron-library

On Mon, Jul 11, 2022 at 7:48 AM Tim Selander via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Tore,
>
> Interesting! 'send in time' is a new one for me.
> Thanks!
>
> Tim
>
> On 2022.07.11 20:43, Tore Nilsen via use-livecode wrote:
> > For this I would use a recursive approach with «send in time» something
> like this:
> >
> > on openStack
> >      checkTime
> > end openStack
> >
> > on checkTime
> >    ## Do your routines of checking time, performing the required action
> etc.
> >    send checkTime to me in 300 seconds. ## you set the interval to
> whatever is best for you
> > end checkTime
> >
> > Best regards
> > Tore Nilsen
> >
> >> 11. jul. 2022 kl. 13:35 skrev Tim Selander via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> >>
> >> Dear all,
> >>
> >> I want to have an LC app running on a computer doing nothing but
> watching the time. At predetermined times, I then want it to run a command.
> A call to an API on a website.
> >>
> >> In the old HC days, I remember using "on idle" to watch for a set time.
> But even then, using "on idle" was less than ideal. CPU hog. What is the
> preferred/LC way to have an app trigger a command at a specific time of day?
> >>
> >> Any pointers appreciated!
> >>
> >> Tim Selander
> >> Tokyo, Japan
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> use-livecode mailing list
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
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> >
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>
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-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."

From mark at livecode.com  Mon Jul 11 09:25:36 2022
From: mark at livecode.com (Mark Waddingham)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2022 14:25:36 +0100
Subject: Tree Widget: hilitedValue?
In-Reply-To: <9c1a8fdb-0e03-9389-dd6c-ddc85be232f3@fourthworld.com>
References: <CA+yhkRZFX5_fN3=VomXM9j7+c2=QYM4CvYBWYJvF6M+-H0VB4g@mail.gmail.com>
 <9c1a8fdb-0e03-9389-dd6c-ddc85be232f3@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <1d540e298547e449e91ef40f8a6d916a@livecode.com>

On 2022-07-10 21:33, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:
> Brian Milby wrote:
> 
>> You could also turn the path into an array (but lose the error
>> checking above):
>> 
>> function getValue pArray, pPath
>>   split pPath by comma
>>   return pArray[pPath]
>> end getValue
> 
> Thanks, Brian. I keep forgetting we can use an array as an element 
> specifier.
> 
> Has that been around the whole time, or was it added in recent years?

I added it before 6.0 - probably in 4.5 or 5.

Warmest Regards,

Mark.

-- 
Mark Waddingham ~ mark at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
LiveCode: Everyone can create apps


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Jul 11 11:27:09 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2022 15:27:09 +0000
Subject: What is the best way to trigger an action at a certain time?
In-Reply-To: <126692CE-04E5-4930-A7DC-5BB96BA49B90@me.com>
References: <bedaf0fe-3faf-0122-96e4-6ab5c0de9419@tkf.att.ne.jp>
 <126692CE-04E5-4930-A7DC-5BB96BA49B90@me.com>
Message-ID: <39730F96-363E-4B60-A1BF-FEF41E857164@iotecdigital.com>

Slight improvement: 

local lInterval
constant cInterval = 300

on openStack
   put cInterval into lInterval
   checkTime
end openStack

on checkTime
   -- your code
   send checkTime to me in lInterval  seconds
end checkTime

setProp interval, pInterval
   if pInterval is empty then
      ask "Enter a time interval in seconds:" as sheet
      if the result is not "Cancel" and it is an integer and it >0 then \
         put it into lInterval
   else
      put pInterval into lInterval
   end if
end interval

Bob S


> On Jul 11, 2022, at 04:43 , Tore Nilsen via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> For this I would use a recursive approach with «send in time» something like this:
> 
> on openStack	
>    checkTime
> end openStack
> 
> on checkTime
>  ## Do your routines of checking time, performing the required action etc.
>  send checkTime to me in 300 seconds. ## you set the interval to whatever is best for you
> end checkTime
> 
> Best regards
> Tore Nilsen
> 
>> 11. jul. 2022 kl. 13:35 skrev Tim Selander via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>> 
>> Dear all,
>> 
>> I want to have an LC app running on a computer doing nothing but watching the time. At predetermined times, I then want it to run a command. A call to an API on a website.
>> 
>> In the old HC days, I remember using "on idle" to watch for a set time. But even then, using "on idle" was less than ideal. CPU hog. What is the preferred/LC way to have an app trigger a command at a specific time of day?
>> 
>> Any pointers appreciated!
>> 
>> Tim Selander
>> Tokyo, Japan
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> 
> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Jul 11 11:31:26 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2022 15:31:26 +0000
Subject: macOS Ventura (13.x.x)...
In-Reply-To: <CAL3fwti_AFp0pQvEOKf_yJmEzkxWuMbkeHxeG7nnkO_yc6oYTg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d5e67423-cdb5-00c6-7b53-1811e161e16f@researchware.com>
 <C049455B-82E1-4B0D-8CF8-BA856B380C2B@gmail.com>
 <89711cd0-dfea-6c65-1ccb-fb3bedae2896@hyperactivesw.com>
 <CA+mv_tWFsbE12D4yg0p85ceR6AsVM=94jR=YkKft5myx4CTX8g@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAL3fwti_AFp0pQvEOKf_yJmEzkxWuMbkeHxeG7nnkO_yc6oYTg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7CA94173-546D-410C-8CE1-76EADEC8F149@iotecdigital.com>

Like how did our stomaches evolve without a circulatory system, and without a circulatory system, how did we develop stomaches? 

Bob S


> On Jul 10, 2022, at 23:53 , Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Running RevMedia 4 on Xubuntu 22.04 serves as a reminder of some of the
> niggles relating to the elevator theory of human evolution.



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Jul 12 06:28:04 2022
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2022 13:28:04 +0300
Subject: macOS Ventura (13.x.x)...
In-Reply-To: <7CA94173-546D-410C-8CE1-76EADEC8F149@iotecdigital.com>
References: <d5e67423-cdb5-00c6-7b53-1811e161e16f@researchware.com>
 <C049455B-82E1-4B0D-8CF8-BA856B380C2B@gmail.com>
 <89711cd0-dfea-6c65-1ccb-fb3bedae2896@hyperactivesw.com>
 <CA+mv_tWFsbE12D4yg0p85ceR6AsVM=94jR=YkKft5myx4CTX8g@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAL3fwti_AFp0pQvEOKf_yJmEzkxWuMbkeHxeG7nnkO_yc6oYTg@mail.gmail.com>
 <7CA94173-546D-410C-8CE1-76EADEC8F149@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <c858248a-01c4-5fb0-dd24-6226c6acd028@gmail.com>

That is a complete misunderstanding of the elevator theory of evolution: 
this was a theory propagated by some
of the people who misread Darwin (I don't mean Hobbesian individualists 
like Huxley and Dawkins) to say that
evolution is a linear and ever-upwards process.

On 11.07.22 18:31, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
> Like how did our stomaches evolve without a circulatory system, and without a circulatory system, how did we develop stomaches?
>
> Bob S
>
>
>> On Jul 10, 2022, at 23:53 , Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> Running RevMedia 4 on Xubuntu 22.04 serves as a reminder of some of the
>> niggles relating to the elevator theory of human evolution.
>
> _______________________________________________
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> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Tue Jul 12 08:33:31 2022
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2022 08:33:31 -0400
Subject: What is the best way to trigger an action at a certain time?
In-Reply-To: <39730F96-363E-4B60-A1BF-FEF41E857164@iotecdigital.com>
References: <bedaf0fe-3faf-0122-96e4-6ab5c0de9419@tkf.att.ne.jp>
 <126692CE-04E5-4930-A7DC-5BB96BA49B90@me.com>
 <39730F96-363E-4B60-A1BF-FEF41E857164@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycMc7dUCOtpu2mJaagrwQdrFyjyCtLkbuGps+63PYd0enQ@mail.gmail.com>

I would suggest sending the "checkTime" message at the top of the handler
in case something happens in --your code

On Mon, Jul 11, 2022 at 11:28 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Slight improvement:
>
> local lInterval
> constant cInterval = 300
>
> on openStack
>    put cInterval into lInterval
>    checkTime
> end openStack
>
> on checkTime
>    -- your code
>    send checkTime to me in lInterval  seconds
> end checkTime
>
> setProp interval, pInterval
>    if pInterval is empty then
>       ask "Enter a time interval in seconds:" as sheet
>       if the result is not "Cancel" and it is an integer and it >0 then \
>          put it into lInterval
>    else
>       put pInterval into lInterval
>    end if
> end interval
>
> Bob S
>
>
> > On Jul 11, 2022, at 04:43 , Tore Nilsen via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > For this I would use a recursive approach with «send in time» something
> like this:
> >
> > on openStack
> >    checkTime
> > end openStack
> >
> > on checkTime
> >  ## Do your routines of checking time, performing the required action
> etc.
> >  send checkTime to me in 300 seconds. ## you set the interval to
> whatever is best for you
> > end checkTime
> >
> > Best regards
> > Tore Nilsen
> >
> >> 11. jul. 2022 kl. 13:35 skrev Tim Selander via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> >>
> >> Dear all,
> >>
> >> I want to have an LC app running on a computer doing nothing but
> watching the time. At predetermined times, I then want it to run a command.
> A call to an API on a website.
> >>
> >> In the old HC days, I remember using "on idle" to watch for a set time.
> But even then, using "on idle" was less than ideal. CPU hog. What is the
> preferred/LC way to have an app trigger a command at a specific time of day?
> >>
> >> Any pointers appreciated!
> >>
> >> Tim Selander
> >> Tokyo, Japan
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> use-livecode mailing list
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>
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> subscription preferences:
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>


-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."

From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Tue Jul 12 10:48:04 2022
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2022 15:48:04 +0100
Subject: What is the best way to trigger an action at a certain time?
In-Reply-To: <bedaf0fe-3faf-0122-96e4-6ab5c0de9419@tkf.att.ne.jp>
References: <bedaf0fe-3faf-0122-96e4-6ab5c0de9419@tkf.att.ne.jp>
Message-ID: <5f54fb78-1b04-60a3-4797-52034fd89ba9@cogapp.com>


Hi Tim,

On 11/07/2022 12:35, Tim Selander via use-livecode wrote:
> I want to have an LC app running on a computer doing nothing but watching the 
> time. At predetermined times, I then want it to run a command. A call to an 
> API on a website.

My $0.02, FWIW: it this is really all your app is doing, and the times are 
every fee hours or days, rather than every few seconds, I would use the 
computer's built in scheduler to invoke your app, rather than have it running 
continuously and watching the time.

I have a number of things like this - LC apps which are launched by schedule. 
On Windows, the Windows scheduler (I generally use a batch script which 
launches the app in this case); on Mac or Linux, use cron. I find this more 
reliable, easier to update etc.

Ben


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Jul 12 10:53:16 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2022 14:53:16 +0000
Subject: macOS Ventura (13.x.x)...
In-Reply-To: <c858248a-01c4-5fb0-dd24-6226c6acd028@gmail.com>
References: <d5e67423-cdb5-00c6-7b53-1811e161e16f@researchware.com>
 <C049455B-82E1-4B0D-8CF8-BA856B380C2B@gmail.com>
 <89711cd0-dfea-6c65-1ccb-fb3bedae2896@hyperactivesw.com>
 <CA+mv_tWFsbE12D4yg0p85ceR6AsVM=94jR=YkKft5myx4CTX8g@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAL3fwti_AFp0pQvEOKf_yJmEzkxWuMbkeHxeG7nnkO_yc6oYTg@mail.gmail.com>
 <7CA94173-546D-410C-8CE1-76EADEC8F149@iotecdigital.com>
 <c858248a-01c4-5fb0-dd24-6226c6acd028@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56EA2603-420C-4C4B-BF81-D842EF754B7E@iotecdigital.com>

Ah. I stand corrected. 

Of course, nothing in nature is linear. 

And I still need to figure out how a stomache would have done us any good withour a circulatory system to get the food to the cells, or lungs to get oxygen to everything for that matter. It seems if you think about it that no vital organ would have provided any advantage without all the other organs being fully developed. Begs some questions, eh? 

Bob S


> On Jul 12, 2022, at 03:28 , Richmond via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> That is a complete misunderstanding of the elevator theory of evolution: this was a theory propagated by some
> of the people who misread Darwin (I don't mean Hobbesian individualists like Huxley and Dawkins) to say that
> evolution is a linear and ever-upwards process.



From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Jul 12 10:56:03 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2022 14:56:03 +0000
Subject: What is the best way to trigger an action at a certain time?
In-Reply-To: <5f54fb78-1b04-60a3-4797-52034fd89ba9@cogapp.com>
References: <bedaf0fe-3faf-0122-96e4-6ab5c0de9419@tkf.att.ne.jp>
 <5f54fb78-1b04-60a3-4797-52034fd89ba9@cogapp.com>
Message-ID: <B16FB248-8D49-4A9B-A682-128B7EA90E65@iotecdigital.com>

It seems to me that if you have an open socket to listen for commands, you could have the chron or windows scheduler send those commands to your LC app. 

Ben, some syntax would be helpful. 

Bob S


> On Jul 12, 2022, at 07:48 , Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim,
> 
> On 11/07/2022 12:35, Tim Selander via use-livecode wrote:
>> I want to have an LC app running on a computer doing nothing but watching the time. At predetermined times, I then want it to run a command. A call to an API on a website.
> 
> My $0.02, FWIW: it this is really all your app is doing, and the times are every fee hours or days, rather than every few seconds, I would use the computer's built in scheduler to invoke your app, rather than have it running continuously and watching the time.
> 
> I have a number of things like this - LC apps which are launched by schedule. On Windows, the Windows scheduler (I generally use a batch script which launches the app in this case); on Mac or Linux, use cron. I find this more reliable, easier to update etc.
> 
> Ben



From chipsm at themartinz.com  Tue Jul 12 11:09:51 2022
From: chipsm at themartinz.com (chipsm themartinz.com)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2022 15:09:51 +0000
Subject: MegaBundle whatnot
In-Reply-To: <4A342ED1-8FEC-4577-8B0C-C8D7360A7258@livecode.com>
References: <F108D036-0B45-4FB5-B31F-F595DF7B6174@m-r-d.de>
 <96C795BD-3743-4913-AEDF-2D5D1C17E723@m-r-d.de>
 <CAJ2R9piz-OwNStU0p7ORqPVerv7z8Pe52GKMfUrbSG_E=TVKTQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <4A342ED1-8FEC-4577-8B0C-C8D7360A7258@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <BY3PR01MB6739E442133E4D618ACC5425B7869@BY3PR01MB6739.prod.exchangelabs.com>

What effect does this do to my account?
I have a lifetime guaranteed  price account and I don’t know what happens to my account.

Sincerely,

Clarence P. Martin
chipsm at themartinz.com
626 7874442

From: use-livecode <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com> on behalf of Heather Laine via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Date: Monday, July 11, 2022 at 1:29 AM
To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Cc: Heather Laine <heather at livecode.com>
Subject: Re: MegaBundle whatnot
Kaveh and Co,

We have actually simplified the licensing in the move to Single Edition, which is what is causing the confusion here. There is no such thing as Indy or Business anymore. It's all just LiveCode. You pick the platforms you want and off you go...

However the new Enhancements Bundle widgets post-date Indy/Business and hence do not recognise it. The solution being simply to run the latest version. 9.6.8 or 10 dp 4 will be just fine.

Best Regards,

Heather

Heather Laine
Customer Services Manager
LiveCode Ltd
www.livecode.com<http://www.livecode.com>



> On 9 Jul 2022, at 12:41, Kaveh via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> Why does LiveCode make the licenses so complicated? I try to understand
> from time to time so I can repurchase, then give up...
>
> On Sat, 9 Jul 2022 at 08:41, Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> Mark,
>> What I forgot.
>>
>> I assume you have a current subscription, right?
>> So why do you not try a newer LC release; one of the new editions without
>> Indy and business in the name? Anything higher than 9.63 should do.
>>
>> Regards
>> Matthias
>>
>> Von meinem iPhone gesendet
>>
>>> Am 08.07.2022 um 21:01 schrieb matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de:
>>>
>>> Mark,
>>>
>>> that seems to be a problem with Indy and Business licenses. I can
>> reproduce it here with an Indy license. Seems, the Enh.Pack needs to be
>> modified a little bit.;)
>>>
>>> As you are on digest mode and i do not know when you read this, I've
>> filed a bug already to speed it up a little bit.
>>>
>>> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23799
>>>
>>> Maybe you want to add yourself to the CC list.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Matthias
>>>
>>>
>>>> Am 08.07.2022 um 19:21 schrieb Mark Clark via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>>>
>>>> I went ahead and purchased the megabundle, mostly for the LC
>> Enhancement piece. Got that download and clicked the install widgets and
>> the widgets all show “unlicensed.” Hmm, what?
>>>>
>>>> Tried to re-license and for some reason I only see my business license
>> as an option (also have the old commercial license whatever that maps to
>> now). So, np figure it out later, selected business license and LC starts
>> but the enhancements still show unlicensed. Is there something manual I’m
>> missing?
>>>>
>>>> TIA,
>>>> Mark (on digest mode)
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From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Tue Jul 12 11:45:14 2022
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2022 17:45:14 +0200
Subject: MegaBundle whatnot
In-Reply-To: <BY3PR01MB6739E442133E4D618ACC5425B7869@BY3PR01MB6739.prod.exchangelabs.com>
References: <F108D036-0B45-4FB5-B31F-F595DF7B6174@m-r-d.de>
 <96C795BD-3743-4913-AEDF-2D5D1C17E723@m-r-d.de>
 <CAJ2R9piz-OwNStU0p7ORqPVerv7z8Pe52GKMfUrbSG_E=TVKTQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <4A342ED1-8FEC-4577-8B0C-C8D7360A7258@livecode.com>
 <BY3PR01MB6739E442133E4D618ACC5425B7869@BY3PR01MB6739.prod.exchangelabs.com>
Message-ID: <555F38B1-8184-4F62-B1D7-296B4262AF89@m-r-d.de>

Livecode Ltd. sent out an email last year to all license holders with information how this change would affect their license.
If i recall it correctly then subscriptions with the "old" price model will keep this price also for renewings as long as the subscription does not completely expire or is changed. 
I would suggest to contact support at livecode.com <mailto:support at livecode.com> to get exact information about this.

Regards,
Matthias


> Am 12.07.2022 um 17:09 schrieb chipsm themartinz.com <http://themartinz.com/> via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>>:
> 
> What effect does this do to my account?
> I have a lifetime guaranteed price account and I don’t know what happens to my account.


From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Tue Jul 12 16:15:17 2022
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2022 21:15:17 +0100
Subject: What is the best way to trigger an action at a certain time?
In-Reply-To: <B16FB248-8D49-4A9B-A682-128B7EA90E65@iotecdigital.com>
References: <bedaf0fe-3faf-0122-96e4-6ab5c0de9419@tkf.att.ne.jp>
 <5f54fb78-1b04-60a3-4797-52034fd89ba9@cogapp.com>
 <B16FB248-8D49-4A9B-A682-128B7EA90E65@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <e07fdee0-62b7-54df-e974-d3f6eda755d7@cogapp.com>

I think I may not have been very clear.

This isn't LiveCode doing anything special; just a standalone LiveCode app 
that either does something immediately on launch (and then quits), or inspects 
the command line parameters to decide what to do (and then quits).

I usually create a .bat file (on Windows) or .sh file (on Mac/Linux) to run 
the LC app with the appropriate parameters.

On Windows you run the "Task Scheduler" and create a task to run the .bat 
file, with whatever schedules you like. On Mac/Linux you edit the 'crontab' 
file adding one or more lines with the interesting syntax to execute the .sh file.

Your app can read the command line parameters (on Mac/Linux or Windows) by 
inspecting the special global variables $0, $1 etc.

The only gotcha is that on Mac, you think your app is at e.g.
  /Users/yourname/Myapp

  - but actually on Mac what appears to be an application "Myapp" is a bundle 
(i.e. a folder with a special flag so the Finder pretends it's not), and the 
path to the executable app is e.g.
  /Users/yourname/Myapp.app/Contents/MacOS/Myapp

On Linux and Windows, it's where you think it is!

Ben

On 12/07/2022 15:56, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
> It seems to me that if you have an open socket to listen for commands, you could have the chron or windows scheduler send those commands to your LC app.
> 
> Ben, some syntax would be helpful.
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Jul 12, 2022, at 07:48 , Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Tim,
>>
>> On 11/07/2022 12:35, Tim Selander via use-livecode wrote:
>>> I want to have an LC app running on a computer doing nothing but watching the time. At predetermined times, I then want it to run a command. A call to an API on a website.
>>
>> My $0.02, FWIW: it this is really all your app is doing, and the times are every fee hours or days, rather than every few seconds, I would use the computer's built in scheduler to invoke your app, rather than have it running continuously and watching the time.
>>
>> I have a number of things like this - LC apps which are launched by schedule. On Windows, the Windows scheduler (I generally use a batch script which launches the app in this case); on Mac or Linux, use cron. I find this more reliable, easier to update etc.
>>
>> Ben
> 
> 
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Jul 12 17:10:50 2022
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2022 16:10:50 -0500
Subject: macOS Ventura (13.x.x)...
In-Reply-To: <56EA2603-420C-4C4B-BF81-D842EF754B7E@iotecdigital.com>
References: <d5e67423-cdb5-00c6-7b53-1811e161e16f@researchware.com>
 <C049455B-82E1-4B0D-8CF8-BA856B380C2B@gmail.com>
 <89711cd0-dfea-6c65-1ccb-fb3bedae2896@hyperactivesw.com>
 <CA+mv_tWFsbE12D4yg0p85ceR6AsVM=94jR=YkKft5myx4CTX8g@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAL3fwti_AFp0pQvEOKf_yJmEzkxWuMbkeHxeG7nnkO_yc6oYTg@mail.gmail.com>
 <7CA94173-546D-410C-8CE1-76EADEC8F149@iotecdigital.com>
 <c858248a-01c4-5fb0-dd24-6226c6acd028@gmail.com>
 <56EA2603-420C-4C4B-BF81-D842EF754B7E@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <181f4401790.276f.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>

This has little to do with LC and less to do with Ventura, but see your email.

--
Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
On July 12, 2022 9:55:22 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Ah. I stand corrected.
>
> Of course, nothing in nature is linear.
>
> And I still need to figure out how a stomache would have done us any good 
> withour a circulatory system to get the food to the cells, or lungs to get 
> oxygen to everything for that matter. It seems if you think about it that 
> no vital organ would have provided any advantage without all the other 
> organs being fully developed. Begs some questions, eh?
>
> Bob S
>
>
>> On Jul 12, 2022, at 03:28 , Richmond via use-livecode 
>> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> That is a complete misunderstanding of the elevator theory of evolution: 
>> this was a theory propagated by some
>> of the people who misread Darwin (I don't mean Hobbesian individualists 
>> like Huxley and Dawkins) to say that
>> evolution is a linear and ever-upwards process.
>
>
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Jul 12 17:56:50 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2022 21:56:50 +0000
Subject: What is the best way to trigger an action at a certain time?
In-Reply-To: <e07fdee0-62b7-54df-e974-d3f6eda755d7@cogapp.com>
References: <bedaf0fe-3faf-0122-96e4-6ab5c0de9419@tkf.att.ne.jp>
 <5f54fb78-1b04-60a3-4797-52034fd89ba9@cogapp.com>
 <B16FB248-8D49-4A9B-A682-128B7EA90E65@iotecdigital.com>
 <e07fdee0-62b7-54df-e974-d3f6eda755d7@cogapp.com>
Message-ID: <12013DF1-5611-4770-B8D3-C9D3A7BEC9C6@iotecdigital.com>

Hmmm. Ok, but it seems having the LC app running invisibly all the time, listening for a command, something the cron service could do through the terminal easily enough, you could make it much more efficient. Just methods and madness I suppose. 

Bob S


> On Jul 12, 2022, at 13:15 , Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I think I may not have been very clear.
> 
> This isn't LiveCode doing anything special; just a standalone LiveCode app that either does something immediately on launch (and then quits), or inspects the command line parameters to decide what to do (and then quits).



From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Wed Jul 13 05:20:39 2022
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2022 10:20:39 +0100
Subject: What is the best way to trigger an action at a certain time?
In-Reply-To: <12013DF1-5611-4770-B8D3-C9D3A7BEC9C6@iotecdigital.com>
References: <bedaf0fe-3faf-0122-96e4-6ab5c0de9419@tkf.att.ne.jp>
 <5f54fb78-1b04-60a3-4797-52034fd89ba9@cogapp.com>
 <B16FB248-8D49-4A9B-A682-128B7EA90E65@iotecdigital.com>
 <e07fdee0-62b7-54df-e974-d3f6eda755d7@cogapp.com>
 <12013DF1-5611-4770-B8D3-C9D3A7BEC9C6@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <9380d08d-53b7-15f9-1399-63828a13d928@cogapp.com>

Whatever works for your situation! At least one of my jobs, which runs a few 
times a week (pulling data from an internal system, generating and emailing a 
PDF report) has to launch fresh each time because of a bug in the graph widget 
which displays wrong if the script runs twice!

There are others where the LC qpp is part of a dance in which other systems 
run before and after, so a batch script invoking each in turn is the thing 
that's scheduled.

But of course there are contexts in which the best solution is an LC app 
waiting for a time or a command at which to leap into action.

On 12/07/2022 22:56, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
> Hmmm. Ok, but it seems having the LC app running invisibly all the time, listening for a command, something the cron service could do through the terminal easily enough, you could make it much more efficient. Just methods and madness I suppose.
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Jul 12, 2022, at 13:15 , Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> I think I may not have been very clear.
>>
>> This isn't LiveCode doing anything special; just a standalone LiveCode app that either does something immediately on launch (and then quits), or inspects the command line parameters to decide what to do (and then quits).
> 
> 
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From ms1 at soas.ac.uk  Wed Jul 13 12:18:24 2022
From: ms1 at soas.ac.uk (Muaath Salih)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2022 17:18:24 +0100
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <CAN8cKhRpzfusQBTwHnFQXqz80KBydCinewUpd65rVJ-V0Tbngw@mail.gmail.com>



From sean at pidigital.co.uk  Wed Jul 13 12:26:16 2022
From: sean at pidigital.co.uk (Pi Digital)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2022 17:26:16 +0100
Subject: No subject
In-Reply-To: <CAN8cKhRpzfusQBTwHnFQXqz80KBydCinewUpd65rVJ-V0Tbngw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAN8cKhRpzfusQBTwHnFQXqz80KBydCinewUpd65rVJ-V0Tbngw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <77502D3D-AD49-49A0-A41B-5520C060CE9F@pidigital.co.uk>

I agree. There is also no content :)

Let us know if there is anything else you would like help with, Muaath. 

Sean


> On 13 Jul 2022, at 17:18, Muaath Salih via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Jul 13 17:50:19 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2022 21:50:19 +0000
Subject: remoteDebugger error
Message-ID: <E861B6DC-DAA6-4714-9E2F-1E8412F1841A@iotecdigital.com>

Whenever I open my Forms Generator project, I get a dialog pop up saying an error occured in the stack com.livecode.library.remotedebugger, and that there is no more information because the stack is password protected. It does not seem to affect to workings of my project though. 

Other stacks do not seem to induce this dialog. How can I tell what is causing it? 

Bob S



From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Wed Jul 13 18:44:11 2022
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2022 00:44:11 +0200
Subject: remoteDebugger error
In-Reply-To: <E861B6DC-DAA6-4714-9E2F-1E8412F1841A@iotecdigital.com>
References: <E861B6DC-DAA6-4714-9E2F-1E8412F1841A@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <C884733A-4E17-430B-995E-8EC0583B3C5A@m-r-d.de>

Just a shot in the dark, but the RemoteDebugger is part of the Pro Features Pack. Does your license include that pack?

Regards,

Matthias


> Am 13.07.2022 um 23:50 schrieb Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Whenever I open my Forms Generator project, I get a dialog pop up saying an error occured in the stack com.livecode.library.remotedebugger, and that there is no more information because the stack is password protected. It does not seem to affect to workings of my project though. 
> 
> Other stacks do not seem to induce this dialog. How can I tell what is causing it? 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Jul 13 19:02:11 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2022 23:02:11 +0000
Subject: remoteDebugger error
In-Reply-To: <C884733A-4E17-430B-995E-8EC0583B3C5A@m-r-d.de>
References: <E861B6DC-DAA6-4714-9E2F-1E8412F1841A@iotecdigital.com>
 <C884733A-4E17-430B-995E-8EC0583B3C5A@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <2EBB7F19-0E08-4992-AD87-04E1E710EAEA@iotecdigital.com>

Yup. Don't we all have to be on that license if we are running 9.6.8? But I found the problem, just not how to prevent remoteDebugger from throwing unknown errors, or how to figure out what the error is. I basically had to step through my code until I found the culprit. 

Thanks though. I am going through the code which sets up sqlYoga so that I can have multiple database objects and connections instead of just using the defaults. 

Bob S


> On Jul 13, 2022, at 15:44 , matthias rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Just a shot in the dark, but the RemoteDebugger is part of the Pro Features Pack. Does your license include that pack?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Matthias



From monte.goulding at livecode.com  Wed Jul 13 19:07:22 2022
From: monte.goulding at livecode.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2022 09:07:22 +1000
Subject: remoteDebugger error
In-Reply-To: <2EBB7F19-0E08-4992-AD87-04E1E710EAEA@iotecdigital.com>
References: <E861B6DC-DAA6-4714-9E2F-1E8412F1841A@iotecdigital.com>
 <C884733A-4E17-430B-995E-8EC0583B3C5A@m-r-d.de>
 <2EBB7F19-0E08-4992-AD87-04E1E710EAEA@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <4B2FB61F-CDD8-4B22-88B8-EAEA9F2F795E@livecode.com>

Hi Bob

Could you create a bug report about this? The remote debugger obviously shouldn’t be throwing bugs itself. It should be telling the IDE about errors and getting it to show the debugger.

Cheers

Monte

> On 14 Jul 2022, at 9:02 am, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Yup. Don't we all have to be on that license if we are running 9.6.8? But I found the problem, just not how to prevent remoteDebugger from throwing unknown errors, or how to figure out what the error is. I basically had to step through my code until I found the culprit. 
> 
> Thanks though. I am going through the code which sets up sqlYoga so that I can have multiple database objects and connections instead of just using the defaults. 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Jul 13, 2022, at 15:44 , matthias rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Just a shot in the dark, but the RemoteDebugger is part of the Pro Features Pack. Does your license include that pack?
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Matthias
> 
> 
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From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Wed Jul 13 19:20:41 2022
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2022 01:20:41 +0200
Subject: remoteDebugger error
In-Reply-To: <2EBB7F19-0E08-4992-AD87-04E1E710EAEA@iotecdigital.com>
References: <E861B6DC-DAA6-4714-9E2F-1E8412F1841A@iotecdigital.com>
 <C884733A-4E17-430B-995E-8EC0583B3C5A@m-r-d.de>
 <2EBB7F19-0E08-4992-AD87-04E1E710EAEA@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <B6903752-D513-4C9B-9E63-97BAB496D772@m-r-d.de>


> Am 14.07.2022 um 01:02 schrieb Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Yup. Don't we all have to be on that license if we are running 9.6.8?
Not that i am aware of.
If you have the Addon Pro Pack Features in your license   "the editiontype" returns professional, if you don't  then "commercial" is returned.

https://livecode.com/pro-features/



> But I found the problem, just not how to prevent remoteDebugger from throwing unknown errors, or how to figure out what the error is. I basically had to step through my code until I found the culprit. 
> 
> Thanks though. I am going through the code which sets up sqlYoga so that I can have multiple database objects and connections instead of just using the defaults. 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Jul 13, 2022, at 15:44 , matthias rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Just a shot in the dark, but the RemoteDebugger is part of the Pro Features Pack. Does your license include that pack?
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Matthias
> 
> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Jul 13 20:14:13 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2022 00:14:13 +0000
Subject: remoteDebugger error
In-Reply-To: <B6903752-D513-4C9B-9E63-97BAB496D772@m-r-d.de>
References: <E861B6DC-DAA6-4714-9E2F-1E8412F1841A@iotecdigital.com>
 <C884733A-4E17-430B-995E-8EC0583B3C5A@m-r-d.de>
 <2EBB7F19-0E08-4992-AD87-04E1E710EAEA@iotecdigital.com>
 <B6903752-D513-4C9B-9E63-97BAB496D772@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <78464170-F02D-4C67-AC00-328F795DC316@iotecdigital.com>

Returns "Professional"

Bob S


> On Jul 13, 2022, at 16:20 , matthias rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> Am 14.07.2022 um 01:02 schrieb Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>> 
>> Yup. Don't we all have to be on that license if we are running 9.6.8?
> Not that i am aware of.
> If you have the Addon Pro Pack Features in your license   "the editiontype" returns professional, if you don't  then "commercial" is returned.



From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Jul 13 20:15:01 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2022 00:15:01 +0000
Subject: remoteDebugger error
In-Reply-To: <4B2FB61F-CDD8-4B22-88B8-EAEA9F2F795E@livecode.com>
References: <E861B6DC-DAA6-4714-9E2F-1E8412F1841A@iotecdigital.com>
 <C884733A-4E17-430B-995E-8EC0583B3C5A@m-r-d.de>
 <2EBB7F19-0E08-4992-AD87-04E1E710EAEA@iotecdigital.com>
 <4B2FB61F-CDD8-4B22-88B8-EAEA9F2F795E@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <AC93E1BB-EDE6-4B0F-9370-B74C54FDEBA6@iotecdigital.com>

Monte, I'll do that in the morning. They are kicking me out of the building. :-|

Bob S


> On Jul 13, 2022, at 16:07 , Monte Goulding via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Bob
> 
> Could you create a bug report about this? The remote debugger obviously shouldn’t be throwing bugs itself. It should be telling the IDE about errors and getting it to show the debugger.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Monte
> 


From selander at tkf.att.ne.jp  Wed Jul 13 20:16:58 2022
From: selander at tkf.att.ne.jp (Tim Selander)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2022 09:16:58 +0900
Subject: What is the best way to trigger an action at a certain time?
In-Reply-To: <9380d08d-53b7-15f9-1399-63828a13d928@cogapp.com>
References: <bedaf0fe-3faf-0122-96e4-6ab5c0de9419@tkf.att.ne.jp>
 <5f54fb78-1b04-60a3-4797-52034fd89ba9@cogapp.com>
 <B16FB248-8D49-4A9B-A682-128B7EA90E65@iotecdigital.com>
 <e07fdee0-62b7-54df-e974-d3f6eda755d7@cogapp.com>
 <12013DF1-5611-4770-B8D3-C9D3A7BEC9C6@iotecdigital.com>
 <9380d08d-53b7-15f9-1399-63828a13d928@cogapp.com>
Message-ID: <c5ceedea-1adc-6275-0fbb-41aa1fcd108a@tkf.att.ne.jp>

Gentlemen,

The trigger will be 'pulled' once or twice a day only -- so these 
external to LC options are also viable. Hadn't entered my head at 
all!

Will be playing around with all these ideas and learn something! 
Basically use Macs, but have couple unused Windows laptops -- 
sounds like Task Scheduler and .bat files might be easier to deal 
with.

Thanks.

Tim

On 2022.07.13 18:20, Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode wrote:
> Whatever works for your situation! At least one of my jobs, which 
> runs a few times a week (pulling data from an internal system, 
> generating and emailing a PDF report) has to launch fresh each 
> time because of a bug in the graph widget which displays wrong if 
> the script runs twice!
> 
> There are others where the LC qpp is part of a dance in which 
> other systems run before and after, so a batch script invoking 
> each in turn is the thing that's scheduled.
> 
> But of course there are contexts in which the best solution is an 
> LC app waiting for a time or a command at which to leap into action.
> 
> On 12/07/2022 22:56, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
>> Hmmm. Ok, but it seems having the LC app running invisibly all 
>> the time, listening for a command, something the cron service 
>> could do through the terminal easily enough, you could make it 
>> much more efficient. Just methods and madness I suppose.
>>
>> Bob S
>>
>>
>>> On Jul 12, 2022, at 13:15 , Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode 
>>> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I think I may not have been very clear.
>>>
>>> This isn't LiveCode doing anything special; just a standalone 
>>> LiveCode app that either does something immediately on launch 
>>> (and then quits), or inspects the command line parameters to 
>>> decide what to do (and then quits).
>>
>>
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From merakosp at gmail.com  Thu Jul 14 01:03:23 2022
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis m)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2022 08:03:23 +0300
Subject: remoteDebugger error
In-Reply-To: <AC93E1BB-EDE6-4B0F-9370-B74C54FDEBA6@iotecdigital.com>
References: <E861B6DC-DAA6-4714-9E2F-1E8412F1841A@iotecdigital.com>
 <C884733A-4E17-430B-995E-8EC0583B3C5A@m-r-d.de>
 <2EBB7F19-0E08-4992-AD87-04E1E710EAEA@iotecdigital.com>
 <4B2FB61F-CDD8-4B22-88B8-EAEA9F2F795E@livecode.com>
 <AC93E1BB-EDE6-4B0F-9370-B74C54FDEBA6@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq-V=ceSTKShMoJ75MyOmCPHi8gmn-fKewSPdBz6S5Yc+w@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all,

@Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com>
Are there any modal windows involved in the recipe?

I think it is this bug:

https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23758

Cheers,
Panos
--

On Thu, 14 Jul 2022 at 03:15, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Monte, I'll do that in the morning. They are kicking me out of the
> building. :-|
>
> Bob S
>
>
> > On Jul 13, 2022, at 16:07 , Monte Goulding via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Bob
> >
> > Could you create a bug report about this? The remote debugger obviously
> shouldn’t be throwing bugs itself. It should be telling the IDE about
> errors and getting it to show the debugger.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Monte
> >
>
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From paul at researchware.com  Thu Jul 14 15:50:57 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2022 15:50:57 -0400
Subject: Livecode Builder developer wanted
Message-ID: <cdf489f1-eb80-798f-8104-ff923fa71130@researchware.com>

I am looking to hire someone to take what Trevor DeVore started 3 years 
ago, for the Livecode conference, of making an LCB wrapper for 
pocketsphinx (https://github.com/trevordevore/lc-pocketsphinx) for macOS 
and extend it to Windows including builds of the pocketsphinx libraries 
for macOS and Windows. Essentially, advance it a bit further so it can 
just be plugged into Livecode and used as a library in the IDE and 
standalones.

Anyone experienced in making LCB libraries for macOS and Windows interested?

If so, please email me off-list and send me a rate and/or estimate.

P.S. I contacted Trevor, but he is tied up with other work and unavailable.

Paul Dupuis
Researchware


From klaus at major-k.de  Fri Jul 15 07:14:50 2022
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2022 13:14:50 +0200
Subject: iPhoneSafeAreaInsets() and Android
Message-ID: <B5C48FAE-3E91-45A6-8156-81B19F4A8395@major-k.de>

Hi friends,

quick question, cannot test it myself in the moment.

Will -> iPhoneSafeAreaInsets() 
a. work or 
b. throw an error when being used on Android?

If a. I presume it will return "the screenrect" without any "notches".
Does it?

If b. then I will to check "if the platform = "iphone"..."

Thanks for any quick answer!


Best

Klaus
--
Klaus Major
https://www.major-k.de
https://www.major-k.de/bass
klaus at major-k.de



From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Fri Jul 15 10:22:28 2022
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2022 15:22:28 +0100
Subject: Complete Advanced Networking Layer?
Message-ID: <c3b3a443-bc74-5cd3-c401-a6d98fac83d4@cogapp.com>


Is there reference documentation anywhere for the "Complete Advanced 
Networking Layer" which is included in the "Pro Features Pack"?

TIA,

Ben


From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net  Fri Jul 15 10:44:48 2022
From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2022 10:44:48 -0400
Subject: Complete Advanced Networking Layer?
In-Reply-To: <c3b3a443-bc74-5cd3-c401-a6d98fac83d4@cogapp.com>
References: <c3b3a443-bc74-5cd3-c401-a6d98fac83d4@cogapp.com>
Message-ID: <001601d89859$721c53c0$5654fb40$@net>

Ben,
I believe that's referring to tsNet. All tsNet's advanced
functionality(async and such) is in the dictionary. Works great! In mobile I
start 4 or 5 simultaneous downloads when the app is first opened.

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdimola at evergreeninfo.net

-----Original Message-----
From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf
Of Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2022 10:22 AM
To: Use LiveCode
Cc: Ben Rubinstein
Subject: Complete Advanced Networking Layer?


Is there reference documentation anywhere for the "Complete Advanced
Networking Layer" which is included in the "Pro Features Pack"?

TIA,

Ben

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From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Fri Jul 15 11:40:34 2022
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2022 17:40:34 +0200
Subject: Complete Advanced Networking Layer?
In-Reply-To: <c3b3a443-bc74-5cd3-c401-a6d98fac83d4@cogapp.com>
References: <c3b3a443-bc74-5cd3-c401-a6d98fac83d4@cogapp.com>
Message-ID: <08876529-BFB8-479C-96B9-6E61CAC5DB33@m-r-d.de>

According to this overview there     https://livecode.com/pro-features/

the following tsNet features are in included in the Pro Features

- Non-blocking, asynchronous operations on SFTP, SMTP, SMTPS and SMTP/TLS
- SFTP authentication via public key authentication giving the best possible security
- SMTP(S/TLS) / SFTP downloads and uploads can either be via file or via variable – you are not limited by the memory available to your variable
- Ability to generate public / private key pairs suitable for use with SFTP – no need for an external application to create these
- Ability to send additional raw commands along with FTP and SFTP transfers to be executed before or after the transfer completes

> Am 15.07.2022 um 16:22 schrieb Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> 
> Is there reference documentation anywhere for the "Complete Advanced Networking Layer" which is included in the "Pro Features Pack"?
> 
> TIA,
> 
> Ben
> 
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From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Fri Jul 15 12:25:14 2022
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2022 17:25:14 +0100
Subject: Complete Advanced Networking Layer?
In-Reply-To: <08876529-BFB8-479C-96B9-6E61CAC5DB33@m-r-d.de>
References: <c3b3a443-bc74-5cd3-c401-a6d98fac83d4@cogapp.com>
 <08876529-BFB8-479C-96B9-6E61CAC5DB33@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <8915b5fa-a023-03c2-c7f3-94ead78986f6@cogapp.com>

Ah, thanks both.

I see now there's a "[PRO]" badge on some tsNet functions in the Dictionary.

Thanks very much,

Ben

On 15/07/2022 16:40, matthias rebbe via use-livecode wrote:
> According to this overview there     https://livecode.com/pro-features/
> 
> the following tsNet features are in included in the Pro Features
> 
> - Non-blocking, asynchronous operations on SFTP, SMTP, SMTPS and SMTP/TLS
> - SFTP authentication via public key authentication giving the best possible security
> - SMTP(S/TLS) / SFTP downloads and uploads can either be via file or via variable  you are not limited by the memory available to your variable
> - Ability to generate public / private key pairs suitable for use with SFTP  no need for an external application to create these
> - Ability to send additional raw commands along with FTP and SFTP transfers to be executed before or after the transfer completes
> 
>> Am 15.07.2022 um 16:22 schrieb Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>
>>
>> Is there reference documentation anywhere for the "Complete Advanced Networking Layer" which is included in the "Pro Features Pack"?
>>
>> TIA,
>>
>> Ben
>>
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From dougr at telus.net  Fri Jul 15 12:52:49 2022
From: dougr at telus.net (Douglas A. Ruisaard)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2022 09:52:49 -0700
Subject: license info
Message-ID: <016d01d8986b$51125c30$f3371490$@telus.net>

Largely because I'm not crystal clear as to how to frame the following
request for information, I'd VERY MUCH appreciate if the LIVECODE mothership
could point me in the right direction.

 

Currently I am using LIVECODE Business Edition v 9.6.1 (build 15522) on a
Windows 10 PC (not a server) with the latest updates installed.

 

The recent discussion regarding : ".the following tsNet features are in
included in the Pro Features ." from matthias rebbe posting from July 15
suggests that I could greatly simplify a significant application I developed
and manage for a major Health Care Laboratory here in Canada. The features
enumerated might be able to eliminate a very expensive 3rd party SFTP server
I currently employ for communicating and transferring very sensitive medical
information to external clinics and hospitals (over 5,000 of them).

 

I would sincerely appreciate if someone could give me even a ballpark dollar
figure I'd have to pay in order to upgrade my current license (see above) to
whatever is necessary to incorporate the "tsNet Pro" features Matthias
described.  I only need the one development license for Windows since I
distribute the app from the STANDALONE feature of LIVECODE.

 

Hopefully that's enough information to frame my request so I can pass a
fairly accurate cost estimate to the end-user.

 

Sincerely

Doug Ruisaard


From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Fri Jul 15 14:11:19 2022
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2022 20:11:19 +0200
Subject: license info
In-Reply-To: <016d01d8986b$51125c30$f3371490$@telus.net>
References: <016d01d8986b$51125c30$f3371490$@telus.net>
Message-ID: <42426102-8301-43F9-86F7-7B3F6AC81109@m-r-d.de>

Douglas,

If you have a business license, then you have access to the "Advanced Network Layer". LC with Pro Features is the same as the previous Business license.

And if you have a current subscription or a lifetime license with lifetime updates, then why don't you download the latest release of LC, which is 9.6.8 btw.?

Regards,
Matthias



> Am 15.07.2022 um 18:52 schrieb Douglas A. Ruisaard via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Largely because I'm not crystal clear as to how to frame the following
> request for information, I'd VERY MUCH appreciate if the LIVECODE mothership
> could point me in the right direction.
> 
> 
> 
> Currently I am using LIVECODE Business Edition v 9.6.1 (build 15522) on a
> Windows 10 PC (not a server) with the latest updates installed.
> 
> 
> 
> The recent discussion regarding : ".the following tsNet features are in
> included in the Pro Features ." from matthias rebbe posting from July 15
> suggests that I could greatly simplify a significant application I developed
> and manage for a major Health Care Laboratory here in Canada. The features
> enumerated might be able to eliminate a very expensive 3rd party SFTP server
> I currently employ for communicating and transferring very sensitive medical
> information to external clinics and hospitals (over 5,000 of them).
> 
> 
> 
> I would sincerely appreciate if someone could give me even a ballpark dollar
> figure I'd have to pay in order to upgrade my current license (see above) to
> whatever is necessary to incorporate the "tsNet Pro" features Matthias
> described.  I only need the one development license for Windows since I
> distribute the app from the STANDALONE feature of LIVECODE.
> 
> 
> 
> Hopefully that's enough information to frame my request so I can pass a
> fairly accurate cost estimate to the end-user.
> 
> 
> 
> Sincerely
> 
> Doug Ruisaard
> 
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From dougr at telus.net  Sat Jul 16 10:57:54 2022
From: dougr at telus.net (Douglas A. Ruisaard)
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2022 07:57:54 -0700
Subject: license info
In-Reply-To: <42426102-8301-43F9-86F7-7B3F6AC81109@m-r-d.de>
References: <016d01d8986b$51125c30$f3371490$@telus.net>
 <42426102-8301-43F9-86F7-7B3F6AC81109@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <03d701d89924$6dace770$4906b650$@telus.net>

Thanks very much for the advice.  I have, as of this message, installed
v9.6.8.  What steps, if any, do I need to take to "activate" the "Advanced
Network Layer"?

Doug

-----Original Message-----
From: use-livecode <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com> On Behalf Of
matthias rebbe via use-livecode
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2022 11:11 AM
To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Cc: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de
Subject: Re: license info

Douglas,

If you have a business license, then you have access to the "Advanced
Network Layer". LC with Pro Features is the same as the previous Business
license.

And if you have a current subscription or a lifetime license with lifetime
updates, then why don't you download the latest release of LC, which is
9.6.8 btw.?

Regards,
Matthias



> Am 15.07.2022 um 18:52 schrieb Douglas A. Ruisaard via use-livecode
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Largely because I'm not crystal clear as to how to frame the following 
> request for information, I'd VERY MUCH appreciate if the LIVECODE 
> mothership could point me in the right direction.
> 
> 
> 
> Currently I am using LIVECODE Business Edition v 9.6.1 (build 15522) 
> on a Windows 10 PC (not a server) with the latest updates installed.
> 
> 
> 
> The recent discussion regarding : ".the following tsNet features are 
> in included in the Pro Features ." from matthias rebbe posting from 
> July 15 suggests that I could greatly simplify a significant 
> application I developed and manage for a major Health Care Laboratory 
> here in Canada. The features enumerated might be able to eliminate a 
> very expensive 3rd party SFTP server I currently employ for 
> communicating and transferring very sensitive medical information to
external clinics and hospitals (over 5,000 of them).
> 
> 
> 
> I would sincerely appreciate if someone could give me even a ballpark 
> dollar figure I'd have to pay in order to upgrade my current license 
> (see above) to whatever is necessary to incorporate the "tsNet Pro" 
> features Matthias described.  I only need the one development license 
> for Windows since I distribute the app from the STANDALONE feature of
LIVECODE.
> 
> 
> 
> Hopefully that's enough information to frame my request so I can pass 
> a fairly accurate cost estimate to the end-user.
> 
> 
> 
> Sincerely
> 
> Doug Ruisaard
> 
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From jbv at souslelogo.com  Sun Jul 17 05:16:25 2022
From: jbv at souslelogo.com (jbv at souslelogo.com)
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2022 05:16:25 -0400
Subject: deleting folders on server with revDeleteFolder
Message-ID: <bf192c2f6310d880003950f0dc732c11@souslelogo.com>

Hi list,

On my LC Hosting account, I have a php script that creates directories :
    mkdir($dirname, 0755);
Each directory is used to temporarily store text & image files.

Then I have a LC script that is supposed to delete those directories
under certain conditions. No problem for deleting files inside each
directory, but 2 sub-directories are systematically created, named
"." and ".." and those can't be deleted, either by script of via ftp.
Therefore, there's no way to delete the directories created via php.

Last but not least, the doc for LC 9.6.8 says that "revDeleteFolder"
is the command to use to remove a folder and all its contents and that
it is available on both desktop and server platforms, but on my LC
hosting account I get : Handler: can't find handler (revDeleteFolder)

Any idea how to solve this problem ?
Thank you in advance.
jbv


From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Sun Jul 17 07:13:38 2022
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe)
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2022 13:13:38 +0200
Subject: deleting folders on server with revDeleteFolder
In-Reply-To: <bf192c2f6310d880003950f0dc732c11@souslelogo.com>
References: <bf192c2f6310d880003950f0dc732c11@souslelogo.com>
Message-ID: <BC0B30C7-16F4-4FE7-AE58-1864B4FDF4FC@m-r-d.de>

I’m not at my desk at the moment, so I cannot give detailed information.  
But what I know is, that this function/command is included in the rev common library and that library is not included by default in LC Server. 

You need to copy that library from your LC ide Installation path to your LC Server installation path first. Then you have to load that library in your script using “start using stack <Path to  the library>


Regards
Matthias
Von meinem iPhone gesendet

> Am 17.07.2022 um 11:18 schrieb jbv via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Hi list,
> 
> On my LC Hosting account, I have a php script that creates directories :
>   mkdir($dirname, 0755);
> Each directory is used to temporarily store text & image files.
> 
> Then I have a LC script that is supposed to delete those directories
> under certain conditions. No problem for deleting files inside each
> directory, but 2 sub-directories are systematically created, named
> "." and ".." and those can't be deleted, either by script of via ftp.
> Therefore, there's no way to delete the directories created via php.
> 
> Last but not least, the doc for LC 9.6.8 says that "revDeleteFolder"
> is the command to use to remove a folder and all its contents and that
> it is available on both desktop and server platforms, but on my LC
> hosting account I get : Handler: can't find handler (revDeleteFolder)
> 
> Any idea how to solve this problem ?
> Thank you in advance.
> jbv
> 
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From alex at tweedly.net  Sun Jul 17 08:20:52 2022
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2022 13:20:52 +0100
Subject: deleting folders on server with revDeleteFolder
In-Reply-To: <bf192c2f6310d880003950f0dc732c11@souslelogo.com>
References: <bf192c2f6310d880003950f0dc732c11@souslelogo.com>
Message-ID: <7bc4657f-68c2-440c-e89a-c787d0fed24b@tweedly.net>

Those folders are

"." - the folder itself

".." - the parent of the folder itself.

As such, neither can be deleted directly, nor do they need to be in 
order to delete the folder itself. The folder itself should be deleted 
when the current folder is set to somewhere else.

So - there isn't really a problem, just don't try to delete them by 
those names.


Alex.


On 17/07/2022 10:16, jbv via use-livecode wrote:
> Hi list,
>
> On my LC Hosting account, I have a php script that creates directories :
>    mkdir($dirname, 0755);
> Each directory is used to temporarily store text & image files.
>
> Then I have a LC script that is supposed to delete those directories
> under certain conditions. No problem for deleting files inside each
> directory, but 2 sub-directories are systematically created, named
> "." and ".." and those can't be deleted, either by script of via ftp.
> Therefore, there's no way to delete the directories created via php.
>
> Last but not least, the doc for LC 9.6.8 says that "revDeleteFolder"
> is the command to use to remove a folder and all its contents and that
> it is available on both desktop and server platforms, but on my LC
> hosting account I get : Handler: can't find handler (revDeleteFolder)
>
> Any idea how to solve this problem ?
> Thank you in advance.
> jbv
>
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From kee.nethery at elloco.com  Sun Jul 17 12:25:52 2022
From: kee.nethery at elloco.com (Kee Nethery)
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2022 09:25:52 -0700
Subject: deleting folders on server with revDeleteFolder
In-Reply-To: <7bc4657f-68c2-440c-e89a-c787d0fed24b@tweedly.net>
References: <7bc4657f-68c2-440c-e89a-c787d0fed24b@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <8D2CC775-175C-4964-B50B-12A86F8FA858@elloco.com>

Perhaps try using something other than a period as the beginning folder name character? Could be that’s why it’s not working. Just a thought, could be totally wrong.

Kee Nethery

> On Jul 17, 2022, at 5:21 AM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Those folders are
> 
> "." - the folder itself
> 
> ".." - the parent of the folder itself.
> 
> As such, neither can be deleted directly, nor do they need to be in order to delete the folder itself. The folder itself should be deleted when the current folder is set to somewhere else.
> 
> So - there isn't really a problem, just don't try to delete them by those names.
> 
> 
> Alex.
> 
> 
>> On 17/07/2022 10:16, jbv via use-livecode wrote:
>> Hi list,
>> 
>> On my LC Hosting account, I have a php script that creates directories :
>>    mkdir($dirname, 0755);
>> Each directory is used to temporarily store text & image files.
>> 
>> Then I have a LC script that is supposed to delete those directories
>> under certain conditions. No problem for deleting files inside each
>> directory, but 2 sub-directories are systematically created, named
>> "." and ".." and those can't be deleted, either by script of via ftp.
>> Therefore, there's no way to delete the directories created via php.
>> 
>> Last but not least, the doc for LC 9.6.8 says that "revDeleteFolder"
>> is the command to use to remove a folder and all its contents and that
>> it is available on both desktop and server platforms, but on my LC
>> hosting account I get : Handler: can't find handler (revDeleteFolder)
>> 
>> Any idea how to solve this problem ?
>> Thank you in advance.
>> jbv
>> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Jul 19 12:00:01 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2022 16:00:01 +0000
Subject: Debugging libraries
Message-ID: <88C847AF-40CA-42C0-871E-49D9FBB99D05@iotecdigital.com>

Hi all. 

There is a global variable, I thought it was gRevDevelopment, where you set it to true if you need to debug a script which begins with "lib". I cannot think what that global is! 

Bob S



From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Tue Jul 19 13:45:37 2022
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2022 10:45:37 -0700
Subject: Debugging libraries
In-Reply-To: <88C847AF-40CA-42C0-871E-49D9FBB99D05@iotecdigital.com>
References: <88C847AF-40CA-42C0-871E-49D9FBB99D05@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <48032bc8-be5e-0ec3-f5d6-6f3f1860058d@sonic.net>

On 7/19/22 09:00, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
> Hi all.
> 
> There is a global variable, I thought it was gRevDevelopment, where you set it to true if you need to debug a script which begins with "lib". I cannot think what that global is!

Set gRevDevelopment true to debug system stacks (starting with "rev" or 
plugins). And remember to set it false afterwards. If you're trying to 
debug a library that's been password-protected, though, it won't help.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com


From paulmcclernan at gmail.com  Tue Jul 19 14:19:55 2022
From: paulmcclernan at gmail.com (Paul McClernan)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2022 14:19:55 -0400
Subject: deleting folders on server with revDeleteFolder
In-Reply-To: <7bc4657f-68c2-440c-e89a-c787d0fed24b@tweedly.net>
References: <bf192c2f6310d880003950f0dc732c11@souslelogo.com>
 <7bc4657f-68c2-440c-e89a-c787d0fed24b@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <CA+mv_tUwgX4Bq7jeOyzBPOABotm_9bVBvm1JBwicp0DG_AOYeQ@mail.gmail.com>

Yeah, what Alex said, those are posix (Unix) placeholders that point to
folders (. self, and .. parent directory), they aren’t actual real folders.

On Sun, Jul 17, 2022 at 8:21 AM Alex Tweedly via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Those folders are
>
> "." - the folder itself
>
> ".." - the parent of the folder itself.
>
> As such, neither can be deleted directly, nor do they need to be in
> order to delete the folder itself. The folder itself should be deleted
> when the current folder is set to somewhere else.
>
> So - there isn't really a problem, just don't try to delete them by
> those names.
>
>
> Alex.
>
>
> On 17/07/2022 10:16, jbv via use-livecode wrote:
> > Hi list,
> >
> > On my LC Hosting account, I have a php script that creates directories :
> >    mkdir($dirname, 0755);
> > Each directory is used to temporarily store text & image files.
> >
> > Then I have a LC script that is supposed to delete those directories
> > under certain conditions. No problem for deleting files inside each
> > directory, but 2 sub-directories are systematically created, named
> > "." and ".." and those can't be deleted, either by script of via ftp.
> > Therefore, there's no way to delete the directories created via php.
> >
> > Last but not least, the doc for LC 9.6.8 says that "revDeleteFolder"
> > is the command to use to remove a folder and all its contents and that
> > it is available on both desktop and server platforms, but on my LC
> > hosting account I get : Handler: can't find handler (revDeleteFolder)
> >
> > Any idea how to solve this problem ?
> > Thank you in advance.
> > jbv
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Jul 19 18:48:43 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2022 22:48:43 +0000
Subject: Debugging libraries
In-Reply-To: <48032bc8-be5e-0ec3-f5d6-6f3f1860058d@sonic.net>
References: <88C847AF-40CA-42C0-871E-49D9FBB99D05@iotecdigital.com>
 <48032bc8-be5e-0ec3-f5d6-6f3f1860058d@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <945788AA-055B-432D-AA90-74DFE76E7BB5@iotecdigital.com>

Thanks for the reply Mark, I did that (after declaring the global first) but breakpoints did not break! But then I discovered that the error was that I was calling a function as a command. To my recollection the sqlYoga sqlquery_retrieveAsData was a command like the array and record variants, but apparently not. It's a function so the code never got around to executing. DOH! 

Bob S


> On Jul 19, 2022, at 10:45 , Mark Wieder via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> On 7/19/22 09:00, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
>> Hi all.
>> There is a global variable, I thought it was gRevDevelopment, where you set it to true if you need to debug a script which begins with "lib". I cannot think what that global is!
> 
> Set gRevDevelopment true to debug system stacks (starting with "rev" or plugins). And remember to set it false afterwards. If you're trying to debug a library that's been password-protected, though, it won't help.
> 
> -- 
> Mark Wieder
> ahsoftware at gmail.com



From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Tue Jul 19 19:30:05 2022
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2022 16:30:05 -0700
Subject: Debugging libraries
In-Reply-To: <945788AA-055B-432D-AA90-74DFE76E7BB5@iotecdigital.com>
References: <88C847AF-40CA-42C0-871E-49D9FBB99D05@iotecdigital.com>
 <48032bc8-be5e-0ec3-f5d6-6f3f1860058d@sonic.net>
 <945788AA-055B-432D-AA90-74DFE76E7BB5@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <4d501ba3-a664-b1df-5f22-bd327160bbb6@sonic.net>

On 7/19/22 15:48, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
> Thanks for the reply Mark, I did that (after declaring the global first) but breakpoints did not break! But then I discovered that the error was that I was calling a function as a command.

Shouldn't that have thrown a runtime error?

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com


From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Tue Jul 19 20:20:17 2022
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2022 17:20:17 -0700
Subject: Debugging libraries
In-Reply-To: <945788AA-055B-432D-AA90-74DFE76E7BB5@iotecdigital.com>
References: <88C847AF-40CA-42C0-871E-49D9FBB99D05@iotecdigital.com>
 <48032bc8-be5e-0ec3-f5d6-6f3f1860058d@sonic.net>
 <945788AA-055B-432D-AA90-74DFE76E7BB5@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <9599622c-32c5-0200-f472-64cbc6b687c0@sonic.net>

On 7/19/22 15:48, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
> Thanks for the reply Mark, I did that (after declaring the global first) but breakpoints did not break! But then I discovered that the error was that I was calling a function as a command.

...and as a hint <g> the glx2 script editor will pop up a clairvoyance 
type-ahead bubble if you're using a command or a function properly, but 
won't if you're trying to use a function as a command or vice versa.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com


From gcanyon at gmail.com  Mon Jul 25 01:37:48 2022
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2022 22:37:48 -0700
Subject: Stylistic question.
In-Reply-To: <B00F6120-EBDF-4740-A4A3-A6491922AFDE@iotecdigital.com>
References: <a5a70233-b3c5-ded8-a8fa-f055803caca7@tweedly.net>
 <CADCoycPpkBSLoSXGCK51iWEaW_EOsWGFyVZ5i25sRjTAYD8UiQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <1818ceeb0b0.276f.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <B00F6120-EBDF-4740-A4A3-A6491922AFDE@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CAKCLKtoR=4CcjF79ThDpisZQUZkdxOfi8ueh518TJkV8xQqD7g@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry for the late response, but thanks for the shoutout. I'll also mention
that some time ago I put a fair bit of effort into enabling Navigator to
behavior-ify any set of controls, automatically extracting their built-in
code to script-only-stacks. I did it as part of the migration of Navigator
to SOS behaviors. I haven't checked to make sure, but I believe *all code*
in Navigator is a SOS-behavior; and I did that automatically from a
no-behaviors standing start with a simple command in Navigator itself. The
end result is that there can be any number of Navigator windows without any
duplication of code at all. Previously I had built Navigator with three
built-in copies, at the cost of making it three times as large. That wasn't
such a terrible thing, but I did find that anything beyond three copies
eventually broke (no idea why). Since migrating 100% to behaviors, I've
tried, I think, having ten copies open with no problem.

Disclaimer/warning: I wrote that code five years ago and haven't looked at
it since. No one has told me it doesn't work, but I only used it the one
time on Navigator itself. So work on a copy, please.

gc

On Wed, Jun 22, 2022 at 1:25 PM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Well then Navigator is for you! If an object has a behavior and no script
> of it's own, it's color in the list is green. If it has a script but no
> behavior, it's color is blue. If it has both, it's purple. Simply double
> clicking an object opens it's behavior script if it has one, and it's
> native script if it doesn't.
>
> You don't have to keep track of anything anymore.
>
> Bob S
>
>
> > On Jun 22, 2022, at 12:41 , J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > I find that too many behavior stacks make it difficult to keep track of
> where things are. But the primary downside is that script-only stacks don't
> work with remote debugging. That's a big drawback for me since most of my
> apps these days are for mobile. I do use behaviors quite a bit, but I put
> the scripts into buttons so they can be debugged remotely. Or maybe you
> mean you use regular stacks for behaviors? Those would work.
> >
> > The switch construct is way more flexible than if/then and much cleaner
> to read and track. I use them all the time. They're especially useful when
> you want to group several conditionals. What don't you like about them?
> Just curious.
> >
> > --
> > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>
>
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From gcanyon at gmail.com  Mon Jul 25 02:01:22 2022
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2022 23:01:22 -0700
Subject: Is syntax a dead issue?
Message-ID: <CAKCLKtqFSLP249B-eB-05RiZaPgZd8vxU3r-kOdC_9dEm=Ae6A@mail.gmail.com>

On this Hacker News thread <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32214419>,
I read this programming interview question
<https://benhoyt.com/writings/count-words/>. Roughly, the challenge is to
count the frequency of words in input, and return a list with counts,
sorted from most to least frequent. So input like this:

The foo the foo the
defenestration the

would produce output like this:

the 4
foo 2
defenestration 1

Of course I smiled because LC is literally built for this problem. I took
well under two minutes to write this function:

function wordCount X
   repeat for each word w in X
      add 1 to R[w]
   end repeat
   combine R using cr and tab
   sort R numeric descending by word 2 of each
   return R
end wordCount

There are quibbles -- the examples given in the article work line by line,
so input size isn't an issue, and of course quotes would cause an issue,
and LC is case insensitive, so it works, but the output would look like
this:

The 4
foo 2
defenestration 1

But generally, it works, and is super-easy to code. But for the sake of
argument, consider this Python solution given:

counts = collections.Counter()
for line in sys.stdin:
    words = line.lower().split()
    counts.update(words)

for word, count in counts.most_common():
    print(word, count)

That requires a library, but it's also super-easy to code and understand,
and it requires just the same number of lines. So, daydreaming extensions
to LC syntax, this comes to mind:

function wordCount X
   add 1 to R[w]  for each word w in X
   return R combined using cr and tab and sorted numeric descending by word
2 of each
end wordCount

or if you prefer:

function wordCount X
   for each word w in X add 1 to R[w]
   return (R combined using cr and tab) sorted numeric descending by word 2
of each
end wordCount

Or to really apply ourselves:

function wordCount X
   return the count of each word in X using cr and tab sorted numeric
descending by word 2 of each
end wordCount

So: the xTalk syntax is over thirty years old; when was the last
significant syntax update?

(I'm not at all core to the process, so feel free to tell me how much I've
missed lately!)

From gcanyon at gmail.com  Mon Jul 25 02:42:30 2022
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2022 23:42:30 -0700
Subject: Is syntax a dead issue?
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKtqFSLP249B-eB-05RiZaPgZd8vxU3r-kOdC_9dEm=Ae6A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKtqFSLP249B-eB-05RiZaPgZd8vxU3r-kOdC_9dEm=Ae6A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKCLKto+T3OvNhcO0mkkenaUG7e9DR6MF1jsp=QOX9r2fxEQLw@mail.gmail.com>

As a meta point, I wrote a version closer to the actual requirements --
lowercase everything, process an external input line by line to allow for
arbitrary input size. The result is about 8-10x slower than most other
languages -- not as bad as I feared, not as good as I hoped. Here's the
code for that version:

on mouseUp
   answer file "choose input:"
   if it is empty then exit mouseUp
   put it into F
   lock screen
   put the long seconds into T
   open file F for read
   repeat
      read from file F for 1 line
      repeat for each word w in toLower(it)
         add 1 to R[w]
      end repeat
      if the result is not empty then exit repeat
   end repeat
   combine R using cr and tab
   sort R numeric descending by word 2 of each
   put the long seconds - T into T1
   put R into fld "output"
   put the long seconds - T into T2
   put T1 && T2
   close file F
end mouseUp

On Sun, Jul 24, 2022 at 11:01 PM Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at gmail.com> wrote:

> On this Hacker News thread <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32214419>,
> I read this programming interview question
> <https://benhoyt.com/writings/count-words/>. Roughly, the challenge is to
> count the frequency of words in input, and return a list with counts,
> sorted from most to least frequent. So input like this:
>
> The foo the foo the
> defenestration the
>
> would produce output like this:
>
> the 4
> foo 2
> defenestration 1
>
> Of course I smiled because LC is literally built for this problem. I took
> well under two minutes to write this function:
>
> function wordCount X
>    repeat for each word w in X
>       add 1 to R[w]
>    end repeat
>    combine R using cr and tab
>    sort R numeric descending by word 2 of each
>    return R
> end wordCount
>
> There are quibbles -- the examples given in the article work line by line,
> so input size isn't an issue, and of course quotes would cause an issue,
> and LC is case insensitive, so it works, but the output would look like
> this:
>
> The 4
> foo 2
> defenestration 1
>
> But generally, it works, and is super-easy to code. But for the sake of
> argument, consider this Python solution given:
>
> counts = collections.Counter()
> for line in sys.stdin:
>     words = line.lower().split()
>     counts.update(words)
>
> for word, count in counts.most_common():
>     print(word, count)
>
> That requires a library, but it's also super-easy to code and understand,
> and it requires just the same number of lines. So, daydreaming extensions
> to LC syntax, this comes to mind:
>
> function wordCount X
>    add 1 to R[w]  for each word w in X
>    return R combined using cr and tab and sorted numeric descending by
> word 2 of each
> end wordCount
>
> or if you prefer:
>
> function wordCount X
>    for each word w in X add 1 to R[w]
>    return (R combined using cr and tab) sorted numeric descending by word
> 2 of each
> end wordCount
>
> Or to really apply ourselves:
>
> function wordCount X
>    return the count of each word in X using cr and tab sorted numeric
> descending by word 2 of each
> end wordCount
>
> So: the xTalk syntax is over thirty years old; when was the last
> significant syntax update?
>
> (I'm not at all core to the process, so feel free to tell me how much I've
> missed lately!)
>
>

From jbv at souslelogo.com  Mon Jul 25 02:59:04 2022
From: jbv at souslelogo.com (jbv at souslelogo.com)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2022 02:59:04 -0400
Subject: Is syntax a dead issue?
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKto+T3OvNhcO0mkkenaUG7e9DR6MF1jsp=QOX9r2fxEQLw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKtqFSLP249B-eB-05RiZaPgZd8vxU3r-kOdC_9dEm=Ae6A@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAKCLKto+T3OvNhcO0mkkenaUG7e9DR6MF1jsp=QOX9r2fxEQLw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ddc53fdf8c3331fd18da21603d265c3c@souslelogo.com>

Just curious : why do you use "read from file F for 1 line" ?
Instead, why don't you read the file in one go, load the content
into a variable and then use "for each line j in myVar" ?
Wouldn't that run faster ?

Best,
jbv


Le 2022-07-25 02:42, Geoff Canyon via use-livecode a crit :
> As a meta point, I wrote a version closer to the actual requirements --
> lowercase everything, process an external input line by line to allow 
> for
> arbitrary input size. The result is about 8-10x slower than most other
> languages -- not as bad as I feared, not as good as I hoped. Here's the
> code for that version:
> 
> on mouseUp
>    answer file "choose input:"
>    if it is empty then exit mouseUp
>    put it into F
>    lock screen
>    put the long seconds into T
>    open file F for read
>    repeat
>       read from file F for 1 line
>       repeat for each word w in toLower(it)
>          add 1 to R[w]
>       end repeat
>       if the result is not empty then exit repeat
>    end repeat
>    combine R using cr and tab
>    sort R numeric descending by word 2 of each
>    put the long seconds - T into T1
>    put R into fld "output"
>    put the long seconds - T into T2
>    put T1 && T2
>    close file F
> end mouseUp
> 
> On Sun, Jul 24, 2022 at 11:01 PM Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
>> On this Hacker News thread 
>> <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32214419>,
>> I read this programming interview question
>> <https://benhoyt.com/writings/count-words/>. Roughly, the challenge is 
>> to
>> count the frequency of words in input, and return a list with counts,
>> sorted from most to least frequent. So input like this:
>> 
>> The foo the foo the
>> defenestration the
>> 
>> would produce output like this:
>> 
>> the 4
>> foo 2
>> defenestration 1
>> 
>> Of course I smiled because LC is literally built for this problem. I 
>> took
>> well under two minutes to write this function:
>> 
>> function wordCount X
>>    repeat for each word w in X
>>       add 1 to R[w]
>>    end repeat
>>    combine R using cr and tab
>>    sort R numeric descending by word 2 of each
>>    return R
>> end wordCount
>> 
>> There are quibbles -- the examples given in the article work line by 
>> line,
>> so input size isn't an issue, and of course quotes would cause an 
>> issue,
>> and LC is case insensitive, so it works, but the output would look 
>> like
>> this:
>> 
>> The 4
>> foo 2
>> defenestration 1
>> 
>> But generally, it works, and is super-easy to code. But for the sake 
>> of
>> argument, consider this Python solution given:
>> 
>> counts = collections.Counter()
>> for line in sys.stdin:
>>     words = line.lower().split()
>>     counts.update(words)
>> 
>> for word, count in counts.most_common():
>>     print(word, count)
>> 
>> That requires a library, but it's also super-easy to code and 
>> understand,
>> and it requires just the same number of lines. So, daydreaming 
>> extensions
>> to LC syntax, this comes to mind:
>> 
>> function wordCount X
>>    add 1 to R[w]  for each word w in X
>>    return R combined using cr and tab and sorted numeric descending by
>> word 2 of each
>> end wordCount
>> 
>> or if you prefer:
>> 
>> function wordCount X
>>    for each word w in X add 1 to R[w]
>>    return (R combined using cr and tab) sorted numeric descending by 
>> word
>> 2 of each
>> end wordCount
>> 
>> Or to really apply ourselves:
>> 
>> function wordCount X
>>    return the count of each word in X using cr and tab sorted numeric
>> descending by word 2 of each
>> end wordCount
>> 
>> So: the xTalk syntax is over thirty years old; when was the last
>> significant syntax update?
>> 
>> (I'm not at all core to the process, so feel free to tell me how much 
>> I've
>> missed lately!)
>> 
>> 
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From jacques.clavel at gmail.com  Mon Jul 25 03:06:52 2022
From: jacques.clavel at gmail.com (Jacques Clavel)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2022 09:06:52 +0200
Subject: Is syntax a dead issue?
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKto+T3OvNhcO0mkkenaUG7e9DR6MF1jsp=QOX9r2fxEQLw@mail.gmail.com>
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just curious : what about using LCB for the repeat loop ?

jc

Le lun. 25 juil. 2022 à 08:44, Geoff Canyon via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> a écrit :

> As a meta point, I wrote a version closer to the actual requirements --
> lowercase everything, process an external input line by line to allow for
> arbitrary input size. The result is about 8-10x slower than most other
> languages -- not as bad as I feared, not as good as I hoped. Here's the
> code for that version:
>
> on mouseUp
>    answer file "choose input:"
>    if it is empty then exit mouseUp
>    put it into F
>    lock screen
>    put the long seconds into T
>    open file F for read
>    repeat
>       read from file F for 1 line
>       repeat for each word w in toLower(it)
>          add 1 to R[w]
>       end repeat
>       if the result is not empty then exit repeat
>    end repeat
>    combine R using cr and tab
>    sort R numeric descending by word 2 of each
>    put the long seconds - T into T1
>    put R into fld "output"
>    put the long seconds - T into T2
>    put T1 && T2
>    close file F
> end mouseUp
>
> On Sun, Jul 24, 2022 at 11:01 PM Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On this Hacker News thread <
> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32214419>,
> > I read this programming interview question
> > <https://benhoyt.com/writings/count-words/>. Roughly, the challenge is
> to
> > count the frequency of words in input, and return a list with counts,
> > sorted from most to least frequent. So input like this:
> >
> > The foo the foo the
> > defenestration the
> >
> > would produce output like this:
> >
> > the 4
> > foo 2
> > defenestration 1
> >
> > Of course I smiled because LC is literally built for this problem. I took
> > well under two minutes to write this function:
> >
> > function wordCount X
> >    repeat for each word w in X
> >       add 1 to R[w]
> >    end repeat
> >    combine R using cr and tab
> >    sort R numeric descending by word 2 of each
> >    return R
> > end wordCount
> >
> > There are quibbles -- the examples given in the article work line by
> line,
> > so input size isn't an issue, and of course quotes would cause an issue,
> > and LC is case insensitive, so it works, but the output would look like
> > this:
> >
> > The 4
> > foo 2
> > defenestration 1
> >
> > But generally, it works, and is super-easy to code. But for the sake of
> > argument, consider this Python solution given:
> >
> > counts = collections.Counter()
> > for line in sys.stdin:
> >     words = line.lower().split()
> >     counts.update(words)
> >
> > for word, count in counts.most_common():
> >     print(word, count)
> >
> > That requires a library, but it's also super-easy to code and understand,
> > and it requires just the same number of lines. So, daydreaming extensions
> > to LC syntax, this comes to mind:
> >
> > function wordCount X
> >    add 1 to R[w]  for each word w in X
> >    return R combined using cr and tab and sorted numeric descending by
> > word 2 of each
> > end wordCount
> >
> > or if you prefer:
> >
> > function wordCount X
> >    for each word w in X add 1 to R[w]
> >    return (R combined using cr and tab) sorted numeric descending by word
> > 2 of each
> > end wordCount
> >
> > Or to really apply ourselves:
> >
> > function wordCount X
> >    return the count of each word in X using cr and tab sorted numeric
> > descending by word 2 of each
> > end wordCount
> >
> > So: the xTalk syntax is over thirty years old; when was the last
> > significant syntax update?
> >
> > (I'm not at all core to the process, so feel free to tell me how much
> I've
> > missed lately!)
> >
> >
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From gcanyon at gmail.com  Mon Jul 25 10:15:20 2022
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2022 07:15:20 -0700
Subject: Is syntax a dead issue?
In-Reply-To: <ddc53fdf8c3331fd18da21603d265c3c@souslelogo.com>
References: <CAKCLKtqFSLP249B-eB-05RiZaPgZd8vxU3r-kOdC_9dEm=Ae6A@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAKCLKto+T3OvNhcO0mkkenaUG7e9DR6MF1jsp=QOX9r2fxEQLw@mail.gmail.com>
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On Mon, Jul 25, 2022 at 12:00 AM jbv via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Just curious : why do you use "read from file F for 1 line" ?
> Instead, why don't you read the file in one go, load the content
> into a variable and then use "for each line j in myVar" ?
> Wouldn't that run faster ?
>
> Best,
> jbv
>

My base version does all the processing in one go and ignores lines
entirely except as they count as white space. But the second set of
requirements for the task from the original post required dealing with
arbitrarily large inputs (it mentioned terabytes). It's not a completely
unrealistic concept: at the rate this goes on my Mac, it would take about
100 hours to process a terabyte input.

In any case, I just tried my base "all in one go" version on the 50mb test
file, and it's about 3x as fast as parsing line-by-line, which makes it
still among the slowest languages as far as I can tell -- no idea how my M1
Macbook Air compares to the machine he used.

From gcanyon at gmail.com  Mon Jul 25 10:16:13 2022
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2022 07:16:13 -0700
Subject: Is syntax a dead issue?
In-Reply-To: <CALD5CnjJs=yTsAuqSv4p31tp-c+hyBE4nrLvENMK2QuArWj9bg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKtqFSLP249B-eB-05RiZaPgZd8vxU3r-kOdC_9dEm=Ae6A@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAKCLKto+T3OvNhcO0mkkenaUG7e9DR6MF1jsp=QOX9r2fxEQLw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CALD5CnjJs=yTsAuqSv4p31tp-c+hyBE4nrLvENMK2QuArWj9bg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKCLKtqqk1kuUPb9YyyjXy2L6p-YVLTYTUHvxXrWKGRVhXKp8A@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Jul 25, 2022 at 12:08 AM Jacques Clavel via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> just curious : what about using LCB for the repeat loop ?
>
> jc
>

I confess I haven't touched LCB

From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Mon Jul 25 14:24:58 2022
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2022 13:24:58 -0500
Subject: Monterey + Dark Mode + LC 9.6.6
In-Reply-To: <A2BF86C3-412B-430E-9848-0E83ED717237@gmail.com>
References: <71F66BA4-23E7-4B56-9549-6DE442B74635@gmail.com>
 <A2BF86C3-412B-430E-9848-0E83ED717237@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHg3tG9tBmxnvsVSwgbg--cH=6Fr1cw0cz_yBi0oyUdFTLxoWQ@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for posting this Marty. I just needed to add that to my app :-)

-- 
Trevor DeVore
ScreenSteps

On Mon, Mar 7, 2022 at 7:10 PM Marty Knapp via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I think I found the issue. I use Levure to build my apps (great framework
> - you should try it!) and it uses a a customized plist file. I compared
> that to a plist file from a normally complied app and notice it has has
> parameter that is needed:
>
> <key>NSRequiresAquaSystemAppearance</key>
>         <true/>
>
> ---
> Marty Knapp
>
> > On Mar 7, 2022, at 4:05 PM, Marty Knapp <martyknappster at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > I just had a customer send a screen shot of my app (built with LC 9.6.6)
> running on Mac Monterey in dark mode and buttons and fields are all messed
> up. I don’t use dark mode and so tried it on my Mac and see the issue. I
> then tried an app built with a previous version of LC (9.6.1 I believe) and
> it looks fine. Anybody else seeing this?
> > ---
> > Marty Knapp
>
>
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From martyknappster at gmail.com  Mon Jul 25 15:06:45 2022
From: martyknappster at gmail.com (Marty Knapp)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2022 12:06:45 -0700
Subject: Monterey + Dark Mode + LC 9.6.6
In-Reply-To: <CAHg3tG9tBmxnvsVSwgbg--cH=6Fr1cw0cz_yBi0oyUdFTLxoWQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <71F66BA4-23E7-4B56-9549-6DE442B74635@gmail.com>
 <A2BF86C3-412B-430E-9848-0E83ED717237@gmail.com>
 <CAHg3tG9tBmxnvsVSwgbg--cH=6Fr1cw0cz_yBi0oyUdFTLxoWQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6AAA4E05-11E0-448C-9156-B96CC36C7793@gmail.com>

Glad I could reciprocate for once! 

I’m sure glad I took the time to learn Trevor's “Levure" framework - such great way to build apps in LC. I would encourage you to try this if you have not done so. One one of my favorite features is the update helper using the Sparkle framework. And you can’t beat the price - free!

https://github.com/trevordevore/levure/wiki
---
Marty Knapp

> On Jul 25, 2022, at 11:24 AM, Trevor DeVore via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Thanks for posting this Marty. I just needed to add that to my app :-)
> 
> -- 
> Trevor DeVore
> ScreenSteps
> 
> On Mon, Mar 7, 2022 at 7:10 PM Marty Knapp via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> I think I found the issue. I use Levure to build my apps (great framework
>> - you should try it!) and it uses a a customized plist file. I compared
>> that to a plist file from a normally complied app and notice it has has
>> parameter that is needed:
>> 
>> <key>NSRequiresAquaSystemAppearance</key>
>>        <true/>
>> 
>> ---
>> Marty Knapp
>> 
>>> On Mar 7, 2022, at 4:05 PM, Marty Knapp <martyknappster at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I just had a customer send a screen shot of my app (built with LC 9.6.6)
>> running on Mac Monterey in dark mode and buttons and fields are all messed
>> up. I don’t use dark mode and so tried it on my Mac and see the issue. I
>> then tried an app built with a previous version of LC (9.6.1 I believe) and
>> it looks fine. Anybody else seeing this?
>>> ---
>>> Marty Knapp
>> 
>> 
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From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Tue Jul 26 09:20:58 2022
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2022 08:20:58 -0500
Subject: Automating LiveCode builds with Github Actions?
Message-ID: <CAHg3tG8kaHvdm0XNxT_+0WptXnzorLU=jqS9syF1hcCEePD77A@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

I would like to automate the following sequential steps using Github
Actions and I'm wondering if anyone has experience automating LiveCode with
Github Actions that they could share.

1. Open a stack in LiveCode and send a message to it. This would be for
building a Levure application.
2. Build an MSI file using Wix
3. Build an exe installer with Inno Setup.

The end result would be the ability to create MSI and exe installers from a
LIveCode application from a central location (Github) either manually or as
part of another workflow.

-- 
Trevor DeVore
ScreenSteps

From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Jul 26 11:06:59 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2022 15:06:59 +0000
Subject: sqlYoga queries
Message-ID: <A9C5054A-FF91-448B-AF88-46744134B833@iotecdigital.com>

Hi. This is directed at Trevor Devore, although if anyone else knows they can chime in. 

sqlYoga can define table objects and relations in a database object. Heretofore I have not availed myself of this, being content to only work with query objects and record objects. Now as I am trying to optimize this new socket agent I wrote, I am wondering if a single query for all the data for a given customer/site/device would be more time efficient than multiple queries for each table. So the question is, if I were to use table and relations, could I craft a statement so that it perfoms a single query? 

Bob S



From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Tue Jul 26 11:47:58 2022
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2022 10:47:58 -0500
Subject: sqlYoga queries
In-Reply-To: <A9C5054A-FF91-448B-AF88-46744134B833@iotecdigital.com>
References: <A9C5054A-FF91-448B-AF88-46744134B833@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CAHg3tG_PuKJOQztzi9P=vSnmE-QG4HFy9to3j8zMDP-ZUTgvhw@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Jul 26, 2022 at 10:08 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> sqlYoga can define table objects and relations in a database object.
> Heretofore I have not availed myself of this, being content to only work
> with query objects and record objects. Now as I am trying to optimize this
> new socket agent I wrote, I am wondering if a single query for all the data
> for a given customer/site/device would be more time efficient than multiple
> queries for each table. So the question is, if I were to use table and
> relations, could I craft a statement so that it perfoms a single query?
>

Hi Bob,

So table/relationship objects in SQL Yoga aren't required here. You can set
the `related table joins` (or just `joins`) property of a SQL Query Object.
See docs:
https://github.com/trevordevore/sql-yoga/wiki/SQL-Yoga-API#sqlquery_set

Per the docs, if you have table and relationship objects defined you can
use shorthand to set the property. You can just use the longhand approach
to run some tests and see if your code runs faster with a single query that
returns data from multiple tables vs multiple queries that query each table
individually.

-- 
Trevor DeVore
ScreenSteps

From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Jul 26 11:54:20 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2022 15:54:20 +0000
Subject: sqlYoga queries
In-Reply-To: <CAHg3tG_PuKJOQztzi9P=vSnmE-QG4HFy9to3j8zMDP-ZUTgvhw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <A9C5054A-FF91-448B-AF88-46744134B833@iotecdigital.com>
 <CAHg3tG_PuKJOQztzi9P=vSnmE-QG4HFy9to3j8zMDP-ZUTgvhw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A2EEC113-74BF-4CA9-8E02-CE7D73C21D7A@iotecdigital.com>

Thanks Trevor. I'll give it a go. 

Bob S


> On Jul 26, 2022, at 08:47 , Trevor DeVore via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2022 at 10:08 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> sqlYoga can define table objects and relations in a database object.
>> Heretofore I have not availed myself of this, being content to only work
>> with query objects and record objects. Now as I am trying to optimize this
>> new socket agent I wrote, I am wondering if a single query for all the data
>> for a given customer/site/device would be more time efficient than multiple
>> queries for each table. So the question is, if I were to use table and
>> relations, could I craft a statement so that it perfoms a single query?
>> 
> 
> Hi Bob,
> 
> So table/relationship objects in SQL Yoga aren't required here. You can set
> the `related table joins` (or just `joins`) property of a SQL Query Object.
> See docs:
> https://github.com/trevordevore/sql-yoga/wiki/SQL-Yoga-API#sqlquery_set
> 
> Per the docs, if you have table and relationship objects defined you can
> use shorthand to set the property. You can just use the longhand approach
> to run some tests and see if your code runs faster with a single query that
> returns data from multiple tables vs multiple queries that query each table
> individually.
> 
> -- 
> Trevor DeVore
> ScreenSteps
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From dan at clearvisiontech.com  Tue Jul 26 12:42:40 2022
From: dan at clearvisiontech.com (Dan Friedman)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2022 16:42:40 +0000
Subject: Android Player Object in Background
Message-ID: <FC5AC9B8-F1DE-4139-864C-AC656C081B75@clearvisiontech.com>

I have a music playing app that uses the native player object to play music.  When in the background, iOS allows control of the playing song in the Control Center.  This not function this way on Android.  There is a androidStartAudioPlayingInBackground command, but that plays a supplied url, not from the player object.   Does anyone have any insight on this?

-Dan


From dan at clearvisiontech.com  Tue Jul 26 12:45:04 2022
From: dan at clearvisiontech.com (Dan Friedman)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2022 16:45:04 +0000
Subject: LiveCode access to mpnowplayinginfocenter?
Message-ID: <EE16DE26-51BC-42EA-BD2C-BBD44432442B@clearvisiontech.com>

On iOS, a song playing in the native player can be controlled in the Control Center.  However, it doesn't display the song name, or artwork or other details.  Looks like LC needs to access mpnowplayinginfocenter.  Is this possible?   Anyone know anything about this?

-Dan


From tom at makeshyft.com  Tue Jul 26 17:28:10 2022
From: tom at makeshyft.com (Tom Glod)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2022 17:28:10 -0400
Subject: Android Player Object in Background
In-Reply-To: <FC5AC9B8-F1DE-4139-864C-AC656C081B75@clearvisiontech.com>
References: <FC5AC9B8-F1DE-4139-864C-AC656C081B75@clearvisiontech.com>
Message-ID: <CAPzQJLLN_axPSStzPL58n9iMsUmOZYpA2VLfR99G-ihnZm1XGw@mail.gmail.com>

The way I achieved this is using a html 5 player in the browser instead of
the player object.
The player has no way of doing this currently....as far as I know.

On Tue, Jul 26, 2022 at 12:43 PM Dan Friedman via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I have a music playing app that uses the native player object to play
> music.  When in the background, iOS allows control of the playing song in
> the Control Center.  This not function this way on Android.  There is a
> androidStartAudioPlayingInBackground command, but that plays a supplied
> url, not from the player object.   Does anyone have any insight on this?
>
> -Dan
>
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From dan at clearvisiontech.com  Tue Jul 26 18:23:22 2022
From: dan at clearvisiontech.com (Dan Friedman)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2022 22:23:22 +0000
Subject: Android Player Object in Background
In-Reply-To: <CAPzQJLLN_axPSStzPL58n9iMsUmOZYpA2VLfR99G-ihnZm1XGw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <FC5AC9B8-F1DE-4139-864C-AC656C081B75@clearvisiontech.com>
 <CAPzQJLLN_axPSStzPL58n9iMsUmOZYpA2VLfR99G-ihnZm1XGw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B8EFD145-B037-4FEA-94A3-0AC3AB332519@clearvisiontech.com>

Tom,

Yes, I know the browser will do this.  That's what we did originally.   But, I couldn't get enough control over the playback in the browser.  The Player Object does everything I need!   Except work with the OS apparently.  I'll have to reach out to LC for assistance.

-Dan


On 7/26/22, 2:29 PM, "use-livecode on behalf of Tom Glod via use-livecode" <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com on behalf of use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

    The way I achieved this is using a html 5 player in the browser instead of
    the player object.
    The player has no way of doing this currently....as far as I know.

    On Tue, Jul 26, 2022 at 12:43 PM Dan Friedman via use-livecode <
    use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

    > I have a music playing app that uses the native player object to play
    > music.  When in the background, iOS allows control of the playing song in
    > the Control Center.  This not function this way on Android.  There is a
    > androidStartAudioPlayingInBackground command, but that plays a supplied
    > url, not from the player object.   Does anyone have any insight on this?
    >
    > -Dan
    >
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From paul at researchware.com  Wed Jul 27 11:17:23 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2022 11:17:23 -0400
Subject: Livecode Builder developer wanted
In-Reply-To: <cdf489f1-eb80-798f-8104-ff923fa71130@researchware.com>
References: <cdf489f1-eb80-798f-8104-ff923fa71130@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <f1a0ec3e-1f6e-b01b-6182-a837d27328d8@researchware.com>

Still looking for a LCB developer to build/configure Trevor's wrapper 
for pocketsphinx for macOS also for Windows.


On 7/14/2022 3:50 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
> I am looking to hire someone to take what Trevor DeVore started 3 
> years ago, for the Livecode conference, of making an LCB wrapper for 
> pocketsphinx (https://github.com/trevordevore/lc-pocketsphinx) for 
> macOS and extend it to Windows including builds of the pocketsphinx 
> libraries for macOS and Windows. Essentially, advance it a bit further 
> so it can just be plugged into Livecode and used as a library in the 
> IDE and standalones.
>
> Anyone experienced in making LCB libraries for macOS and Windows 
> interested?
>
> If so, please email me off-list and send me a rate and/or estimate.
>
> P.S. I contacted Trevor, but he is tied up with other work and 
> unavailable.
>
> Paul Dupuis
> Researchware
>
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From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Thu Jul 28 08:39:59 2022
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2022 08:39:59 -0400
Subject: Livecode Builder developer wanted
In-Reply-To: <f1a0ec3e-1f6e-b01b-6182-a837d27328d8@researchware.com>
References: <cdf489f1-eb80-798f-8104-ff923fa71130@researchware.com>
 <f1a0ec3e-1f6e-b01b-6182-a837d27328d8@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycOR-Z2vDQW4YVDT7Ddcmd7MXb2pGg=ZPs65pGJszhe0uw@mail.gmail.com>

I don't know if I'm surprised or not surprised that the LCB takeup seems to
be low.

On Wed, Jul 27, 2022 at 11:18 AM Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Still looking for a LCB developer to build/configure Trevor's wrapper
> for pocketsphinx for macOS also for Windows.
>
>
> On 7/14/2022 3:50 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
> > I am looking to hire someone to take what Trevor DeVore started 3
> > years ago, for the Livecode conference, of making an LCB wrapper for
> > pocketsphinx (https://github.com/trevordevore/lc-pocketsphinx) for
> > macOS and extend it to Windows including builds of the pocketsphinx
> > libraries for macOS and Windows. Essentially, advance it a bit further
> > so it can just be plugged into Livecode and used as a library in the
> > IDE and standalones.
> >
> > Anyone experienced in making LCB libraries for macOS and Windows
> > interested?
> >
> > If so, please email me off-list and send me a rate and/or estimate.
> >
> > P.S. I contacted Trevor, but he is tied up with other work and
> > unavailable.
> >
> > Paul Dupuis
> > Researchware
> >
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From paul at researchware.com  Thu Jul 28 10:57:23 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2022 10:57:23 -0400
Subject: Livecode Builder developer wanted
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycOR-Z2vDQW4YVDT7Ddcmd7MXb2pGg=ZPs65pGJszhe0uw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <cdf489f1-eb80-798f-8104-ff923fa71130@researchware.com>
 <f1a0ec3e-1f6e-b01b-6182-a837d27328d8@researchware.com>
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Message-ID: <fca710db-db22-1ef7-5b65-cbe5e9f93c15@researchware.com>

On 7/28/2022 8:39 AM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode wrote:
> I don't know if I'm surprised or not surprised that the LCB takeup seems to
> be low.
>
>

Actually, I am surprised. I have seen mentioned on this list dozens of 
LCB widgets and libraries, including those developed by others and 
licensed by Livecode for the Summer Bundle. Not hundreds true, but many 
dozens. That implies to e there are at least a few dozen LCB developers 
out there.

What I'm seeking is just to take what Trevor has already done in LCB for 
macOS and set it up for Windows as well. For someone with with 
experience at making LCB wrappers for DLLs, I would expect this work to 
be a relatively small effort (most likely no more than 1 day). I can 
learn how to do this, but I expect it will take me 4-8 times as long. So 
basic math says that if I can find someone to perform the task for pay, 
it is likely a better option than my trying to spend the time to do it 
myself. I also figured, since it would seem to be a small job, that it 
might be attractive to an LCB developer out there to fill in and around 
other work they are doing.

However, if there are no takers, then I guess I'll just make the time 
and jump in.



From harrison at all-auctions.com  Thu Jul 28 11:57:55 2022
From: harrison at all-auctions.com (harrison at all-auctions.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2022 11:57:55 -0400
Subject: Livecode Builder developer wanted
In-Reply-To: <fca710db-db22-1ef7-5b65-cbe5e9f93c15@researchware.com>
References: <cdf489f1-eb80-798f-8104-ff923fa71130@researchware.com>
 <f1a0ec3e-1f6e-b01b-6182-a837d27328d8@researchware.com>
 <CADCoycOR-Z2vDQW4YVDT7Ddcmd7MXb2pGg=ZPs65pGJszhe0uw@mail.gmail.com>
 <fca710db-db22-1ef7-5b65-cbe5e9f93c15@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <1C5DF67E-1332-42DB-BF43-1B0F709EF140@all-auctions.com>

Hi Paul,

I seriously doubt that anyone would be chomping at the bit for this task.

First, you expect the person to spend their free time looking at the task to 
determine the effort and cost required to accomplish the task.  There is
no paid incentive to do that first step.  If after the person gave you their
estimate, and you decided you didn’t like it, then the developer has lost
their time and effort for nothing.

Secondly you have stated that you expect the effort required would be 
no more than 1 day.  It’s very possible that your 1 day projection is 
completely off the mark. If it took the person more time than that, you
would probably be dissatisfied.  Who would want to deal with that?

Thirdly, even if your projection of 1 day of effort was 100% correct, why would
anyone want to bother trying to do the task for just one day’s pay?  It simply
isn’t worth the time or the hassle for any potential programmer to want to
deal with the task for that reason alone.

So yes, the bottom line here for you is that you indeed will have to work
on the task yourself or it’s not going to get done at all.

I hope you will keep this in mind for any future work you would like 
to have performed.

I have to get back to my work here.

I hope you have a fruitful and productive day!

Cheers,

Rick



> On Jul 28, 2022, at 10:57 AM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> What I'm seeking is just to take what Trevor has already done in LCB for macOS and set it up for Windows as well. For someone with with experience at making LCB wrappers for DLLs, I would expect this work to be a relatively small effort (most likely no more than 1 day).


From paul at researchware.com  Thu Jul 28 12:23:52 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2022 12:23:52 -0400
Subject: Livecode Builder developer wanted
In-Reply-To: <1C5DF67E-1332-42DB-BF43-1B0F709EF140@all-auctions.com>
References: <cdf489f1-eb80-798f-8104-ff923fa71130@researchware.com>
 <f1a0ec3e-1f6e-b01b-6182-a837d27328d8@researchware.com>
 <CADCoycOR-Z2vDQW4YVDT7Ddcmd7MXb2pGg=ZPs65pGJszhe0uw@mail.gmail.com>
 <fca710db-db22-1ef7-5b65-cbe5e9f93c15@researchware.com>
 <1C5DF67E-1332-42DB-BF43-1B0F709EF140@all-auctions.com>
Message-ID: <7611291e-0782-ff86-d8e9-bff5cbe329ad@researchware.com>

I've hired and managed independent software developers for various 
businesses for nearly 40 years. I am well aware of the market.

We pay competitive contract rates. My estimate of time is probably about 
right for someone who has set up at least 1 or 2 cross-platform LCB DLL 
wrappers based on decades of estimating IT projects, but it was more 
meant to suggest the work is something in the scope of many hours to 
days vs. weeks or months.

As for job size, if you are a contract developer who has a queue of 
large jobs providing regular income, good for you. My experience is that 
many contract developers value non-time sensitive small jobs they can 
fit in and around larger projects to fill in the inevitable gaps between 
larger projects that can come up.

If no one is available or interested, as I said, it is not time 
sensitive, so we can either wait or tackle it ourselves as time permits.

Paul Dupuis
Researchware

  On 7/28/2022 11:57 AM, harrison--- via use-livecode wrote:
> Hi Paul,
>
> I seriously doubt that anyone would be chomping at the bit for this task.
>
> First, you expect the person to spend their free time looking at the task to
> determine the effort and cost required to accomplish the task.  There is
> no paid incentive to do that first step.  If after the person gave you their
> estimate, and you decided you didnt like it, then the developer has lost
> their time and effort for nothing.
>
> Secondly you have stated that you expect the effort required would be
> no more than 1 day.  Its very possible that your 1 day projection is
> completely off the mark. If it took the person more time than that, you
> would probably be dissatisfied.  Who would want to deal with that?
>
> Thirdly, even if your projection of 1 day of effort was 100% correct, why would
> anyone want to bother trying to do the task for just one days pay?  It simply
> isnt worth the time or the hassle for any potential programmer to want to
> deal with the task for that reason alone.
>
> So yes, the bottom line here for you is that you indeed will have to work
> on the task yourself or its not going to get done at all.
>
> I hope you will keep this in mind for any future work you would like
> to have performed.
>
> I have to get back to my work here.
>
> I hope you have a fruitful and productive day!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Rick
>
>
>
>> On Jul 28, 2022, at 10:57 AM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> What I'm seeking is just to take what Trevor has already done in LCB for macOS and set it up for Windows as well. For someone with with experience at making LCB wrappers for DLLs, I would expect this work to be a relatively small effort (most likely no more than 1 day).
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From harrison at all-auctions.com  Thu Jul 28 13:43:43 2022
From: harrison at all-auctions.com (harrison at all-auctions.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2022 13:43:43 -0400
Subject: Livecode Builder developer wanted
In-Reply-To: <7611291e-0782-ff86-d8e9-bff5cbe329ad@researchware.com>
References: <cdf489f1-eb80-798f-8104-ff923fa71130@researchware.com>
 <f1a0ec3e-1f6e-b01b-6182-a837d27328d8@researchware.com>
 <CADCoycOR-Z2vDQW4YVDT7Ddcmd7MXb2pGg=ZPs65pGJszhe0uw@mail.gmail.com>
 <fca710db-db22-1ef7-5b65-cbe5e9f93c15@researchware.com>
 <1C5DF67E-1332-42DB-BF43-1B0F709EF140@all-auctions.com>
 <7611291e-0782-ff86-d8e9-bff5cbe329ad@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <F685CA52-FBB0-4227-94B7-84573685C160@all-auctions.com>

Hi Paul,

You should have led with that information.

Keys here:  Not time sensitive. Pay competitive rates:  What is your rate?  Be upfront with that if you can.

Thanks for clearing things up a bit.

Cheers,

Rick
                    

> On Jul 28, 2022, at 12:23 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I've hired and managed independent software developers for various businesses for nearly 40 years. I am well aware of the market.
> 
> We pay competitive contract rates. My estimate of time is probably about right for someone who has set up at least 1 or 2 cross-platform LCB DLL wrappers based on decades of estimating IT projects, but it was more meant to suggest the work is something in the scope of many hours to days vs. weeks or months.
> 
> As for job size, if you are a contract developer who has a queue of large jobs providing regular income, good for you. My experience is that many contract developers value non-time sensitive small jobs they can fit in and around larger projects to fill in the inevitable gaps between larger projects that can come up.
> 
> If no one is available or interested, as I said, it is not time sensitive, so we can either wait or tackle it ourselves as time permits.
> 
> Paul Dupuis
> Researchware


From paul at researchware.com  Sat Jul 30 15:53:22 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2022 15:53:22 -0400
Subject: wait 0 with messages
Message-ID: <1cae43a6-063a-8243-cee2-cbf8e3b45e47@researchware.com>

My understanding of 'wait 0 with messages' is that it will cause any 
pending messages, that are not scheduled for a time later than the 
current time, in the pendingMessages queue to be processed before 
continuing. Messages later than the current time (when the statement is 
executed) will not be processed (yet).

Is this correct?



From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Sat Jul 30 19:49:36 2022
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2022 16:49:36 -0700
Subject: wait 0 with messages
In-Reply-To: <1cae43a6-063a-8243-cee2-cbf8e3b45e47@researchware.com>
References: <1cae43a6-063a-8243-cee2-cbf8e3b45e47@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <73d66312-e94e-aba5-5189-67ed6dc9995e@sonic.net>

On 7/30/22 12:53, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
> My understanding of 'wait 0 with messages' is that it will cause any 
> pending messages, that are not scheduled for a time later than the 
> current time, in the pendingMessages queue to be processed before 
> continuing. Messages later than the current time (when the statement is 
> executed) will not be processed (yet).
> 
> Is this correct?

My understanding of this is close but not quite the same.
The "wait 0 with messages" statement is the fastest implementation 
("wait 0") of an opportunity for the system event loop to process any 
pending instructions. The "with messages" statement in effect yields 
control to the event loop to check if any "send in time" messages have 
timed out and are pending or to handle other tasks that may have 
accumulated (mouse or keyboard events, etc).

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com


From paul at researchware.com  Sat Jul 30 22:02:54 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2022 22:02:54 -0400
Subject: wait 0 with messages
In-Reply-To: <73d66312-e94e-aba5-5189-67ed6dc9995e@sonic.net>
References: <1cae43a6-063a-8243-cee2-cbf8e3b45e47@researchware.com>
 <73d66312-e94e-aba5-5189-67ed6dc9995e@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <ab1a0a53-f4f0-ed90-298a-6aaf4a01f7ea@researchware.com>

On 7/30/2022 7:49 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:
> On 7/30/22 12:53, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
>> My understanding of 'wait 0 with messages' is that it will cause any 
>> pending messages, that are not scheduled for a time later than the 
>> current time, in the pendingMessages queue to be processed before 
>> continuing. Messages later than the current time (when the statement 
>> is executed) will not be processed (yet).
>>
>> Is this correct?
>
> My understanding of this is close but not quite the same.
> The "wait 0 with messages" statement is the fastest implementation 
> ("wait 0") of an opportunity for the system event loop to process any 
> pending instructions. The "with messages" statement in effect yields 
> control to the event loop to check if any "send in time" messages have 
> timed out and are pending or to handle other tasks that may have 
> accumulated (mouse or keyboard events, etc).
>

So Mark,

Your understanding is that 'wait 0' (WITHOUT with messages) would allow 
OS events like a screen redraw, USB drive insertion/removal, etc. but 
NOT livecode engine events in the queue like mouseDown, mouseUp, 
resumeStack, etc,

OR

That wait 0 (again without with messages) would include in addition to 
OS events, LC built-in events like mouseDown, resumeStack, etc., but not 
custom messages (or LC standard messages) sent to the queue via sent in 
time?

Thanks for responding!



From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Sun Jul 31 01:04:14 2022
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2022 22:04:14 -0700
Subject: wait 0 with messages
In-Reply-To: <ab1a0a53-f4f0-ed90-298a-6aaf4a01f7ea@researchware.com>
References: <1cae43a6-063a-8243-cee2-cbf8e3b45e47@researchware.com>
 <73d66312-e94e-aba5-5189-67ed6dc9995e@sonic.net>
 <ab1a0a53-f4f0-ed90-298a-6aaf4a01f7ea@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <8c7a0ae9-c8c8-14be-aea1-efa3cb915bd0@sonic.net>

On 7/30/22 19:02, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:

> So Mark,
> 
> Your understanding is that 'wait 0' (WITHOUT with messages) would allow 
> OS events like a screen redraw, USB drive insertion/removal, etc. but 
> NOT livecode engine events in the queue like mouseDown, mouseUp, 
> resumeStack, etc,
> 
> OR
> 
> That wait 0 (again without with messages) would include in addition to 
> OS events, LC built-in events like mouseDown, resumeStack, etc., but not 
> custom messages (or LC standard messages) sent to the queue via sent in 
> time?

I don't think "wait 0" by itself does anything useful. Make a stack with 
two buttons. Running the script in the first button will prevent mouseUp 
events in button 2 from being processed.

button 1 script:
on mouseUp
   repeat forever
     wait 0
   end repeat
end mouseUp

button 2 script:
on mouseUp
   put the name of me & cr after msg
end mouseUp

Now hit command-period to exit to the debugger, change the script of 
button 1 to

on mouseUp
   repeat forever
     wait 0 with messages
   end repeat
end mouseUp

and you can click button 2 and see new text in the message box.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Jul 31 15:14:39 2022
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2022 14:14:39 -0500
Subject: wait 0 with messages
In-Reply-To: <8c7a0ae9-c8c8-14be-aea1-efa3cb915bd0@sonic.net>
References: <1cae43a6-063a-8243-cee2-cbf8e3b45e47@researchware.com>
 <73d66312-e94e-aba5-5189-67ed6dc9995e@sonic.net>
 <ab1a0a53-f4f0-ed90-298a-6aaf4a01f7ea@researchware.com>
 <8c7a0ae9-c8c8-14be-aea1-efa3cb915bd0@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <079188a0-9eac-521d-c0d0-a0f1cb087cdb@hyperactivesw.com>

On 7/31/22 12:04 AM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:
> 
> I don't think "wait 0" by itself does anything useful. Make a stack with two buttons. Running 
> the script in the first button will prevent mouseUp events in button 2 from being processed.

I think it must do something, "wait 0" is a workaround for bug 22453 (and 18924 which is now 
marked as a duplicate.) I had to use the workaround and it works.

So my take is that any wait allows LC to do housekeeping, and "with messages" also allows 
app-generated messages. I'd like to get a confirmation from the team though.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Sun Jul 31 23:46:38 2022
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2022 20:46:38 -0700
Subject: wait 0 with messages
In-Reply-To: <079188a0-9eac-521d-c0d0-a0f1cb087cdb@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <1cae43a6-063a-8243-cee2-cbf8e3b45e47@researchware.com>
 <73d66312-e94e-aba5-5189-67ed6dc9995e@sonic.net>
 <ab1a0a53-f4f0-ed90-298a-6aaf4a01f7ea@researchware.com>
 <8c7a0ae9-c8c8-14be-aea1-efa3cb915bd0@sonic.net>
 <079188a0-9eac-521d-c0d0-a0f1cb087cdb@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <bc420582-2095-b11c-a5ce-b4824c788520@sonic.net>

On 7/31/22 12:14, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
> On 7/31/22 12:04 AM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:
>>
>> I don't think "wait 0" by itself does anything useful. Make a stack 
>> with two buttons. Running the script in the first button will prevent 
>> mouseUp events in button 2 from being processed.
> 
> I think it must do something, "wait 0" is a workaround for bug 22453 
> (and 18924 which is now marked as a duplicate.) I had to use the 
> workaround and it works.
> 
> So my take is that any wait allows LC to do housekeeping, and "with 
> messages" also allows app-generated messages. I'd like to get a 
> confirmation from the team though.

That's pretty bizarre. I wonder what's going on. All I can think of is 
that processing the wait command gives the java JNI command enough time 
to recover before processing the mobileControlSet vscroll command. And 
ios wouldn't need that extra time because there's no java interaction.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com


From hershelflc at gmail.com  Fri Jul  1 16:24:45 2022
From: hershelflc at gmail.com (Hershel F)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2022 16:24:45 -0400
Subject: sorting datagrids
In-Reply-To: <240E44BA-75A1-4E14-8226-0C874FFFA8CD@iotecdigital.com>
References: <510268AA-C4D4-444A-AE64-99F0307E9C25@gmail.com>
 <240E44BA-75A1-4E14-8226-0C874FFFA8CD@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <C2CA12FD-7E5C-4A69-818F-ACDFD9C62836@gmail.com>

this is more what i’m concerned. i’ll give it a shot and let you know. 
thanks.

> On Jun 30, 2022, at 7:26 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> put the dgText of group "myDataGrid" into tText
> set the itemDelimiter to tab
> 
> repeat with i = 1 to the number of lines of tText
>   put item i of tText into tLine
>   sort items of tLine ascending
>   put tLine into line i of tText
> end repeat
> 
> set the dgText of group "myDataGrid" to tText


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Jul  1 19:49:10 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2022 23:49:10 +0000
Subject: Is LC encryption different for Mac than for Windows??
Message-ID: <F11706E0-D30A-417C-ADE3-241A7DC677FE@iotecdigital.com>

Hi all. 

As I may have mentioned I wrote an SQL Server agent that uses sockets to listen for data from a client. The client first arrayEncodes an array, then encrypts the result using an encryption library I wrote. Then it sends the data to the Server Agent. 

The Agent receives the encrypted stream, decrypts it using the exact same library, arrayDecodes the data, then performs a query against the database and retrieves th data as an array. All that works. 

The agent then arrayEncodes the array and re-encrypts it using THE SAME LIBRARY. It then sends the data back to the client which of course, decrypts it and arrayDecodes it producing the resultant array. All fine and good. But wait there's more! 

When I run the Server Agent on my Macintosh all works as expected. I get an array of the queried data. When I run it on a Windows desktop however, the data coming back is corrupted somehow! The decryption command produces an error: ERROR: (SSL error: wrong final block length)

How can that be? It's the same file I just copy it to the windows machine from the Mac along with the encryption library. Everything should be exactly the same! 

Bob S



From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Jul  1 19:56:33 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2022 23:56:33 +0000
Subject: Is LC encryption different for Mac than for Windows??
In-Reply-To: <F11706E0-D30A-417C-ADE3-241A7DC677FE@iotecdigital.com>
References: <F11706E0-D30A-417C-ADE3-241A7DC677FE@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <AAFD8679-D7D8-4DD5-9C6A-BF7E1BDE6178@iotecdigital.com>

Hmmm... I think I see what is happening. I compared the encrypted string from the server to the string from the client after it received it via the socket connection. I am only getting the last part of the encrypted string! 

So it looks like the socket connections using with message is losing data somehow. 

Bob S


> On Jul 1, 2022, at 16:49 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi all. 
> 
> As I may have mentioned I wrote an SQL Server agent that uses sockets to listen for data from a client. The client first arrayEncodes an array, then encrypts the result using an encryption library I wrote. Then it sends the data to the Server Agent. 
> 
> The Agent receives the encrypted stream, decrypts it using the exact same library, arrayDecodes the data, then performs a query against the database and retrieves th data as an array. All that works. 
> 
> The agent then arrayEncodes the array and re-encrypts it using THE SAME LIBRARY. It then sends the data back to the client which of course, decrypts it and arrayDecodes it producing the resultant array. All fine and good. But wait there's more! 
> 
> When I run the Server Agent on my Macintosh all works as expected. I get an array of the queried data. When I run it on a Windows desktop however, the data coming back is corrupted somehow! The decryption command produces an error: ERROR: (SSL error: wrong final block length)
> 
> How can that be? It's the same file I just copy it to the windows machine from the Mac along with the encryption library. Everything should be exactly the same! 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Jul  1 20:08:33 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2022 00:08:33 +0000
Subject: Is LC encryption different for Mac than for Windows??
In-Reply-To: <AAFD8679-D7D8-4DD5-9C6A-BF7E1BDE6178@iotecdigital.com>
References: <F11706E0-D30A-417C-ADE3-241A7DC677FE@iotecdigital.com>
 <AAFD8679-D7D8-4DD5-9C6A-BF7E1BDE6178@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <21608B73-A6D7-41D9-8FEF-F0AD356A59FD@iotecdigital.com>

Also when I was running it on my Mac, the client in the server we’re running on the same Macintosh. On the windows machine however I’m going over the wire. Should I buy Ineri encoded or something?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 1, 2022, at 16:57, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com> wrote:
> 
> Hmmm... I think I see what is happening. I compared the encrypted string from the server to the string from the client after it received it via the socket connection. I am only getting the last part of the encrypted string! 
> 
> So it looks like the socket connections using with message is losing data somehow. 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Jul 1, 2022, at 16:49 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all. 
>> 
>> As I may have mentioned I wrote an SQL Server agent that uses sockets to listen for data from a client. The client first arrayEncodes an array, then encrypts the result using an encryption library I wrote. Then it sends the data to the Server Agent. 
>> 
>> The Agent receives the encrypted stream, decrypts it using the exact same library, arrayDecodes the data, then performs a query against the database and retrieves th data as an array. All that works. 
>> 
>> The agent then arrayEncodes the array and re-encrypts it using THE SAME LIBRARY. It then sends the data back to the client which of course, decrypts it and arrayDecodes it producing the resultant array. All fine and good. But wait there's more! 
>> 
>> When I run the Server Agent on my Macintosh all works as expected. I get an array of the queried data. When I run it on a Windows desktop however, the data coming back is corrupted somehow! The decryption command produces an error: ERROR: (SSL error: wrong final block length)
>> 
>> How can that be? It's the same file I just copy it to the windows machine from the Mac along with the encryption library. Everything should be exactly the same! 
>> 
>> Bob S
>> 
>> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Jul  1 20:55:26 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2022 00:55:26 +0000
Subject: Is LC encryption different for Mac than for Windows??
In-Reply-To: <21608B73-A6D7-41D9-8FEF-F0AD356A59FD@iotecdigital.com>
References: <F11706E0-D30A-417C-ADE3-241A7DC677FE@iotecdigital.com>
 <AAFD8679-D7D8-4DD5-9C6A-BF7E1BDE6178@iotecdigital.com>
 <21608B73-A6D7-41D9-8FEF-F0AD356A59FD@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <B17A3713-F76F-4E66-88C7-AC543A8F44DC@iotecdigital.com>

<sigh> That's supposed to be Binary Encoding

> On Jul 1, 2022, at 17:08 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Also when I was running it on my Mac, the client in the server we’re running on the same Macintosh. On the windows machine however I’m going over the wire. Should I buy Ineri encoded or something?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Jul  1 21:05:28 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2022 01:05:28 +0000
Subject: Is LC encryption different for Mac than for Windows??
In-Reply-To: <B17A3713-F76F-4E66-88C7-AC543A8F44DC@iotecdigital.com>
References: <F11706E0-D30A-417C-ADE3-241A7DC677FE@iotecdigital.com>
 <AAFD8679-D7D8-4DD5-9C6A-BF7E1BDE6178@iotecdigital.com>
 <21608B73-A6D7-41D9-8FEF-F0AD356A59FD@iotecdigital.com>
 <B17A3713-F76F-4E66-88C7-AC543A8F44DC@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <BA293DDD-F69C-4ED0-A30F-1C95A2FAFA12@iotecdigital.com>

Okay so I base64Encoded the encrypted string before sending over the wire, and base64Decoded on the receiving end. Same thing coming back. I am still getting the error. It's not a problem with sending data over the wire. 

Bob S


> On Jul 1, 2022, at 17:55 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> <sigh> That's supposed to be Binary Encoding
> 
>> On Jul 1, 2022, at 17:08 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Also when I was running it on my Mac, the client in the server we’re running on the same Macintosh. On the windows machine however I’m going over the wire. Should I buy Ineri encoded or something?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
> 
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From phil at pdslabs.net  Fri Jul  1 21:10:52 2022
From: phil at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2022 18:10:52 -0700
Subject: Is LC encryption different for Mac than for Windows??
In-Reply-To: <BA293DDD-F69C-4ED0-A30F-1C95A2FAFA12@iotecdigital.com>
References: <F11706E0-D30A-417C-ADE3-241A7DC677FE@iotecdigital.com>
 <AAFD8679-D7D8-4DD5-9C6A-BF7E1BDE6178@iotecdigital.com>
 <21608B73-A6D7-41D9-8FEF-F0AD356A59FD@iotecdigital.com>
 <B17A3713-F76F-4E66-88C7-AC543A8F44DC@iotecdigital.com>
 <BA293DDD-F69C-4ED0-A30F-1C95A2FAFA12@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <3f535285-9075-bbad-2afa-dc156fff3264@pdslabs.net>

I was about to suggest that - you beat me to it. My client/server apps 
use base64 encode/decode as the final "envelope" for the data before 
network transfer. But I have LC on both ends of the transfer, and you 
may not. But ultimately it shouldn't matter.

Phil Davis


On 7/1/22 6:05 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
> Okay so I base64Encoded the encrypted string before sending over the wire, and base64Decoded on the receiving end. Same thing coming back. I am still getting the error. It's not a problem with sending data over the wire.
>
> Bob S
>
>
>> On Jul 1, 2022, at 17:55 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> <sigh> That's supposed to be Binary Encoding
>>
>>> On Jul 1, 2022, at 17:08 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Also when I was running it on my Mac, the client in the server were running on the same Macintosh. On the windows machine however Im going over the wire. Should I buy Ineri encoded or something?
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Jul  1 21:19:22 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2022 01:19:22 +0000
Subject: Is LC encryption different for Mac than for Windows??
In-Reply-To: <3f535285-9075-bbad-2afa-dc156fff3264@pdslabs.net>
References: <F11706E0-D30A-417C-ADE3-241A7DC677FE@iotecdigital.com>
 <AAFD8679-D7D8-4DD5-9C6A-BF7E1BDE6178@iotecdigital.com>
 <21608B73-A6D7-41D9-8FEF-F0AD356A59FD@iotecdigital.com>
 <B17A3713-F76F-4E66-88C7-AC543A8F44DC@iotecdigital.com>
 <BA293DDD-F69C-4ED0-A30F-1C95A2FAFA12@iotecdigital.com>
 <3f535285-9075-bbad-2afa-dc156fff3264@pdslabs.net>
Message-ID: <4FD9D0C1-A732-4FC1-B162-596F0445DBF0@iotecdigital.com>

I do. The server agent was written in LC and I am running it in a community version. Just to eliminate the possibility that things are different between Community 9.5 and Pro 9.6.8, I am DL'ing the latest (which I am running on the Mac). I'll try with that. 

Basically I encrypt and decrypt using aes256 and a key and salt value I store as constants in both the client and the server. I'm really stumped. This should work as advertised. 

Bob S


> On Jul 1, 2022, at 18:10 , Phil Davis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I was about to suggest that - you beat me to it. My client/server apps use base64 encode/decode as the final "envelope" for the data before network transfer. But I have LC on both ends of the transfer, and you may not. But ultimately it shouldn't matter.
> 
> Phil Davis



From phil at pdslabs.net  Fri Jul  1 21:23:28 2022
From: phil at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2022 18:23:28 -0700
Subject: Is LC encryption different for Mac than for Windows??
In-Reply-To: <3f535285-9075-bbad-2afa-dc156fff3264@pdslabs.net>
References: <F11706E0-D30A-417C-ADE3-241A7DC677FE@iotecdigital.com>
 <AAFD8679-D7D8-4DD5-9C6A-BF7E1BDE6178@iotecdigital.com>
 <21608B73-A6D7-41D9-8FEF-F0AD356A59FD@iotecdigital.com>
 <B17A3713-F76F-4E66-88C7-AC543A8F44DC@iotecdigital.com>
 <BA293DDD-F69C-4ED0-A30F-1C95A2FAFA12@iotecdigital.com>
 <3f535285-9075-bbad-2afa-dc156fff3264@pdslabs.net>
Message-ID: <ca2ad445-7c0b-8565-7d13-d2bb5b5065e0@pdslabs.net>

I don't know about newer LC versions, but some older ones don't do "read 
from socket <socket> until EOF" correctly. Because of that, I added a 
data header containing the length of the data in bytes. On the receiving 
end, something like this happens:

    read from socket <socket> for 1 line
    put it into tLength
    read from socket <socket> for tLength
    put it into tData
    close socket <socket>

I add error-checking of course.

HTH -
Phil


On 7/1/22 6:10 PM, Phil Davis via use-livecode wrote:
> I was about to suggest that - you beat me to it. My client/server apps 
> use base64 encode/decode as the final "envelope" for the data before 
> network transfer. But I have LC on both ends of the transfer, and you 
> may not. But ultimately it shouldn't matter.
>
> Phil Davis
>
>
> On 7/1/22 6:05 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
>> Okay so I base64Encoded the encrypted string before sending over the 
>> wire, and base64Decoded on the receiving end. Same thing coming back. 
>> I am still getting the error. It's not a problem with sending data 
>> over the wire.
>>
>> Bob S
>>
>>
>>> On Jul 1, 2022, at 17:55 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
>>> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> <sigh> That's supposed to be Binary Encoding
>>>
>>>> On Jul 1, 2022, at 17:08 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
>>>> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Also when I was running it on my Mac, the client in the server 
>>>> were running on the same Macintosh. On the windows machine however 
>>>> Im going over the wire. Should I buy Ineri encoded or something?
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Jul  1 21:27:26 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2022 01:27:26 +0000
Subject: Is LC encryption different for Mac than for Windows??
In-Reply-To: <ca2ad445-7c0b-8565-7d13-d2bb5b5065e0@pdslabs.net>
References: <F11706E0-D30A-417C-ADE3-241A7DC677FE@iotecdigital.com>
 <AAFD8679-D7D8-4DD5-9C6A-BF7E1BDE6178@iotecdigital.com>
 <21608B73-A6D7-41D9-8FEF-F0AD356A59FD@iotecdigital.com>
 <B17A3713-F76F-4E66-88C7-AC543A8F44DC@iotecdigital.com>
 <BA293DDD-F69C-4ED0-A30F-1C95A2FAFA12@iotecdigital.com>
 <3f535285-9075-bbad-2afa-dc156fff3264@pdslabs.net>
 <ca2ad445-7c0b-8565-7d13-d2bb5b5065e0@pdslabs.net>
Message-ID: <F44AA7DA-0EDE-46C0-95D8-6BFBEB4BD1AE@iotecdigital.com>

OIC. Well I am using the non-blocking method using with message. I don't read from until. All the data should come through then send the message. It may be that there is some kind of limit on the length of the data, but that would suck. Also it doesn't explain why when the client and the server are both running on the Mac, it works flawlessly. A socket is a socket. 

Bob S


> On Jul 1, 2022, at 18:23 , Phil Davis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I don't know about newer LC versions, but some older ones don't do "read from socket <socket> until EOF" correctly. Because of that, I added a data header containing the length of the data in bytes. On the receiving end, something like this happens:
> 
>   read from socket <socket> for 1 line
>   put it into tLength
>   read from socket <socket> for tLength
>   put it into tData
>   close socket <socket>
> 
> I add error-checking of course.
> 
> HTH -
> Phil
> 
> 
> On 7/1/22 6:10 PM, Phil Davis via use-livecode wrote:
>> I was about to suggest that - you beat me to it. My client/server apps use base64 encode/decode as the final "envelope" for the data before network transfer. But I have LC on both ends of the transfer, and you may not. But ultimately it shouldn't matter.
>> 
>> Phil Davis
>> 
>> 
>> On 7/1/22 6:05 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
>>> Okay so I base64Encoded the encrypted string before sending over the wire, and base64Decoded on the receiving end. Same thing coming back. I am still getting the error. It's not a problem with sending data over the wire.
>>> 
>>> Bob S
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 1, 2022, at 17:55 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> <sigh> That's supposed to be Binary Encoding
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 1, 2022, at 17:08 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Also when I was running it on my Mac, the client in the server we’re running on the same Macintosh. On the windows machine however I’m going over the wire. Should I buy Ineri encoded or something?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
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From neville.smythe at optusnet.com.au  Sat Jul  2 20:18:46 2022
From: neville.smythe at optusnet.com.au (Neville Smythe)
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2022 10:18:46 +1000
Subject: Is LC encryption different for Mac than for Windows??
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1656777602.301462.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.1.1656777602.301462.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BEFA7F9A-2C9F-4918-85D5-03700BDA1E0D@optusnet.com.au>

Is socketTimeOut set high enough?


Neville



From ms1 at soas.ac.uk  Sun Jul  3 09:26:24 2022
From: ms1 at soas.ac.uk (Muaath Salih)
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2022 14:26:24 +0100
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <CAN8cKhT_2sp7weJQ3-7A=ujXc=DJQDUtOUxYi_vuCc9KcV_6bA@mail.gmail.com>



From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Sun Jul  3 18:02:14 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2022 22:02:14 +0000
Subject: Is LC encryption different for Mac than for Windows??
In-Reply-To: <BEFA7F9A-2C9F-4918-85D5-03700BDA1E0D@optusnet.com.au>
References: <mailman.1.1656777602.301462.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
 <BEFA7F9A-2C9F-4918-85D5-03700BDA1E0D@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <903A67EB-C6ED-47EC-9683-9747DCF86688@iotecdigital.com>

Ill check later. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 2, 2022, at 17:20, Neville Smythe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Is socketTimeOut set high enough?
> 
> 
> Neville
> 
> 
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From panos.merakos at livecode.com  Mon Jul  4 11:08:50 2022
From: panos.merakos at livecode.com (panagiotis merakos)
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2022 18:08:50 +0300
Subject: [ANN] Release 9.6.8 RC-3
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq-D7RRCo89gw74raX4Ka_o63X8Vv2MVLh1h2=XS72ZEgw@mail.gmail.com>

Dear list members,

We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.8 RC-3.


Getting the Release
===================
You can find the release in your LiveCode account area or get it via the
automatic updater. To find the 9.6.8 RC-3 test release in your LiveCode
account, please scroll down to below the list of stable releases, to find
your available test releases.

Release Contents
================
LiveCode 9.6.8 RC-3 comes with 1 regression bugfix:

- The standalone builder now ensures all executables in a macOS standalone
only contain the requested architectures

For the full list of all fixes, updates and enhancements please see the
release notes:
http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/9_6_8/LiveCodeNotes-9_6_8_rc_3.pdf


Known issues
============
- The Browser widget's native layer is not shown in some Linux distros with
Cinnamon window manager.
- The use of the Browser widget is not supported on Ubuntu 18.04 64 bit LTS
yet.


Required Software
=================
To build iOS apps with LiveCode you must have the appropriate versions of
Xcode as follows:

  - macOS 10.13.4: Xcode 10.1 - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS 12.1
SDK
  - macOS 10.14.4: Xcode 11.3.x - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS
13.2 SDK
  - macOS 10.15.4: Xcode 12.4.x - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS
14.4 SDK
  - macOS 11+  : Xcode 13.2.x - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS 15.2
SDK

There is a full list of working LiveCode/macOS/Xcode combinations here:
https://livecode.com/faq

Note: Whilst we endeavour to release updated versions of LiveCode
supporting the latest Xcode/iOS SDKs as quickly as possible; we strongly
recommend disabling automatic update of Xcode or downloading the specific
version of Xcode required directly from the Apple developer portal and
installing it separately.

Important: From the start of April 2022, Apple is only accepting apps built
using iOS15.x SDKs. This means that, if you wish to submit apps to the
AppStore you will have to be running at least macOS 11 in order to be able
to install the necessary version of Xcode.

To build macOS apps with an Apple architecture slice requires macOS High
Sierra (10.13) or higher.


Feedback
========
Please report any bugs encountered on our quality center at
http://quality.livecode.com/

We have a forum available for discussing LiveCode at
http://forums.livecode.com


Have fun!
The LiveCode Team
--

From mkoob at rogers.com  Mon Jul  4 12:06:54 2022
From: mkoob at rogers.com (Martin Koob)
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2022 12:06:54 -0400
Subject: {OT} Are there any ffmpeg "experts" on this list?
In-Reply-To: <c53d859099158626d1f61a284a83337f@livecode.com>
References: <acc85400-7066-25c8-e2e0-90648af8e3eb@researchware.com>
 <CA+JfEq_5uMjGPGXUUdPeTTY84-9LxFW4bxyZVXss292-4QJrKA@mail.gmail.com>
 <b4593ee5-0c9f-b629-949b-65c70af5a23e@researchware.com>
 <c53d859099158626d1f61a284a83337f@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <2B9CC490-0274-4F09-AB1E-921F14511B68@rogers.com>

Hi Mark

Yes mergAV can be used concatenate videos, resize them, layer them and then export them to a video file.   I wrote an app that did this a while ago on LiveCode 6.7.3.   I haven’t tried using mergAV on LC 9.x.  

It would be nice if there was a set of common commands that could be used to do video editing on either Mac or Windows, just like player object does with video playback.
Probably not a high demand for that though to make it cost effective.

Martin

> On Jun 24, 2022, at 12:23 PM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> FWIW, I *think* mergAV can do similar things on macOS* to the mediafoundation external on Windows - although the APIs, while similar, do require different code.


From paul at researchware.com  Tue Jul  5 17:20:29 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2022 17:20:29 -0400
Subject: Images and arrays...
Message-ID: <ea9b3564-6af6-1f28-9a66-5eadad3b91ec@researchware.com>

I am drawing a blank:

If I have the following code:

                   export snapshot from rect tRect of player 
"mediaConvert" of stack "libHrAPI" to tImage as PNG
                   put tImage into pRefArray[tRef]

The actual image (not a reference, such as a long ID) is placed in the 
tRefArray[tRef] array element

However, if I have a variable tImageID that contains a reference to an 
image such as

image id 10328 of card id 10001 of stack "X"

How do I get that actual Image stored in the array?

put tImageID into pRefArray[tRef] -- results in the array element 
storing the long ID

put (tImageID) into pRefArray[tRef] -- also results in the array element 
storing the long ID. I thought the () might for the long ID to be 
evaluated to an actual image





From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Jul  5 21:47:24 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2022 01:47:24 +0000
Subject: Images and arrays...
In-Reply-To: <ea9b3564-6af6-1f28-9a66-5eadad3b91ec@researchware.com>
References: <ea9b3564-6af6-1f28-9a66-5eadad3b91ec@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <5AC38BAA-8D60-4202-8E21-D0804FBB8A34@iotecdigital.com>

Put the imageData? 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 5, 2022, at 18:40, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I am drawing a blank:
> 
> If I have the following code:
> 
>                   export snapshot from rect tRect of player "mediaConvert" of stack "libHrAPI" to tImage as PNG
>                   put tImage into pRefArray[tRef]
> 
> The actual image (not a reference, such as a long ID) is placed in the tRefArray[tRef] array element
> 
> However, if I have a variable tImageID that contains a reference to an image such as
> 
> image id 10328 of card id 10001 of stack "X"
> 
> How do I get that actual Image stored in the array?
> 
> put tImageID into pRefArray[tRef] -- results in the array element storing the long ID
> 
> put (tImageID) into pRefArray[tRef] -- also results in the array element storing the long ID. I thought the () might for the long ID to be evaluated to an actual image
> 
> 
> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Jul  5 21:49:26 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2022 01:49:26 +0000
Subject: Is LC encryption different for Mac than for Windows??
In-Reply-To: <903A67EB-C6ED-47EC-9683-9747DCF86688@iotecdigital.com>
References: <mailman.1.1656777602.301462.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
 <BEFA7F9A-2C9F-4918-85D5-03700BDA1E0D@optusnet.com.au>
 <903A67EB-C6ED-47EC-9683-9747DCF86688@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <3EF815F8-847D-4094-9938-8AA8DF171889@iotecdigital.com>

So strange. I built in some logging, removed the base64 stuff, and now it works! Timing problem of some sort? Who knows. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 3, 2022, at 15:03, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Ill check later. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 2, 2022, at 17:20, Neville Smythe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Is socketTimeOut set high enough?
>> 
>> 
>> Neville
>> 
>> 
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From tom at makeshyft.com  Tue Jul  5 23:22:38 2022
From: tom at makeshyft.com (Tom Glod)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2022 23:22:38 -0400
Subject: Images and arrays...
In-Reply-To: <5AC38BAA-8D60-4202-8E21-D0804FBB8A34@iotecdigital.com>
References: <ea9b3564-6af6-1f28-9a66-5eadad3b91ec@researchware.com>
 <5AC38BAA-8D60-4202-8E21-D0804FBB8A34@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CAPzQJLKkRVmttyPD4yeZ8fxOXuCb3=uHaKtgs8FmejY+M3Ed4A@mail.gmail.com>

imagedata does not include alpha

as odd as it sounds .... "the text of image" contains all of the data.

:D

On Tue, Jul 5, 2022 at 9:48 PM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Put the imageData?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jul 5, 2022, at 18:40, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > I am drawing a blank:
> >
> > If I have the following code:
> >
> >                   export snapshot from rect tRect of player
> "mediaConvert" of stack "libHrAPI" to tImage as PNG
> >                   put tImage into pRefArray[tRef]
> >
> > The actual image (not a reference, such as a long ID) is placed in the
> tRefArray[tRef] array element
> >
> > However, if I have a variable tImageID that contains a reference to an
> image such as
> >
> > image id 10328 of card id 10001 of stack "X"
> >
> > How do I get that actual Image stored in the array?
> >
> > put tImageID into pRefArray[tRef] -- results in the array element
> storing the long ID
> >
> > put (tImageID) into pRefArray[tRef] -- also results in the array element
> storing the long ID. I thought the () might for the long ID to be evaluated
> to an actual image
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From neville.smythe at optusnet.com.au  Wed Jul  6 00:57:17 2022
From: neville.smythe at optusnet.com.au (Neville Smythe)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2022 14:57:17 +1000
Subject: Is LC encryption different for Mac than for Windows??
Message-ID: <1DF8F62E-8EEE-4FB9-9F92-04F5C43AC6E7@optusnet.com.au>

Bob Sneider wrote
> So strange. I built in some logging, removed the base64 stuff, and now it 
> works! Timing problem of some sort? Who knows. 

That’s what I was inferring. I’d suggest you increase socketTimeOut to avoid the problem recurring (or reduce it if you want to test that timing was the problem!)

It may well be that

> A socket is a socket

but performance ain’t performance

Neville


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Jul  6 11:15:17 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2022 15:15:17 +0000
Subject: Is LC encryption different for Mac than for Windows??
In-Reply-To: <1DF8F62E-8EEE-4FB9-9F92-04F5C43AC6E7@optusnet.com.au>
References: <1DF8F62E-8EEE-4FB9-9F92-04F5C43AC6E7@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <4521035E-856F-4C0D-AF6E-643C0E8D2B3B@iotecdigital.com>

Thanks. I still have to test outside the network. If I have issues I will definitely check the socketTimeoutInterval. Currently it is 10000. I take it that is milliseconds. 

Bob S


> On Jul 5, 2022, at 21:57 , Neville Smythe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Bob Sneider wrote
>> So strange. I built in some logging, removed the base64 stuff, and now it 
>> works! Timing problem of some sort? Who knows. 
> 
> That’s what I was inferring. I’d suggest you increase socketTimeOut to avoid the problem recurring (or reduce it if you want to test that timing was the problem!)
> 
> It may well be that
> 
>> A socket is a socket
> 
> but performance ain’t performance
> 
> Neville
> 
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From panos.merakos at livecode.com  Fri Jul  8 08:03:55 2022
From: panos.merakos at livecode.com (panagiotis merakos)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2022 15:03:55 +0300
Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.8
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq9kw1C9=WHBSY=F9NoVz7eGKM3BocQOpj_Bj4L-C28A8A@mail.gmail.com>

Dear list members,

We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.8 STABLE

You can find more details on the bug fixes and improvements of this new
release here:

https://livecode.com/livecode-9-6-8-stable-m1-and-onwards-apple-architecture-support/

You can find the release in your LiveCode account area or get it via the
automatic updater.

Enjoy!

Kind regards
The LiveCode Team
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From markclark at mac.com  Fri Jul  8 13:21:55 2022
From: markclark at mac.com (Mark Clark)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2022 12:21:55 -0500
Subject: MegaBundle whatnot
Message-ID: <CDD98B84-53B7-493F-B620-EF55CB7190D3@mac.com>

I went ahead and purchased the megabundle, mostly for the LC Enhancement piece. Got that download and clicked the install widgets and the widgets all show “unlicensed.” Hmm, what?

Tried to re-license and for some reason I only see my business license as an option (also have the old commercial license whatever that maps to now). So, np figure it out later, selected business license and LC starts but the enhancements still show unlicensed. Is there something manual I’m missing? 

TIA,
Mark (on digest mode)

From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Jul  8 13:34:30 2022
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2022 10:34:30 -0700
Subject: Tree Widget: hilitedValue?
Message-ID: <40617774-9e2b-4c3d-7cbe-df34553aab16@fourthworld.com>

I see the Tree widget supports a hilitedElement property, which is 
useful for managing the selection in the UI.

Is there a one-liner for obtaining not the element path but the value?

It wouldn't kill me to extract the arrayData and turn a hilitedElement 
path like:

   level1,level2,level3,

...into a proper array notation to obtain the value at:

   tArray["level1"]["level2"]["level3"]

But it seems such a common need I'm guessing I'm overlooking a more 
direct way to do that.

TIA -

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com


From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Fri Jul  8 15:00:23 2022
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2022 21:00:23 +0200
Subject: MegaBundle whatnot
In-Reply-To: <CDD98B84-53B7-493F-B620-EF55CB7190D3@mac.com>
References: <CDD98B84-53B7-493F-B620-EF55CB7190D3@mac.com>
Message-ID: <F108D036-0B45-4FB5-B31F-F595DF7B6174@m-r-d.de>

Mark,

that seems to be a problem with Indy and Business licenses. I can reproduce it here with an Indy license. Seems, the Enh.Pack needs to be modified a little bit.;)

As you are on digest mode and i do not know when you read this, I've filed a bug already to speed it up a little bit.

https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23799 <https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23799>

Maybe you want to add yourself to the CC list.

Regards,
Matthias


> Am 08.07.2022 um 19:21 schrieb Mark Clark via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> I went ahead and purchased the megabundle, mostly for the LC Enhancement piece. Got that download and clicked the install widgets and the widgets all show “unlicensed.” Hmm, what?
> 
> Tried to re-license and for some reason I only see my business license as an option (also have the old commercial license whatever that maps to now). So, np figure it out later, selected business license and LC starts but the enhancements still show unlicensed. Is there something manual I’m missing? 
> 
> TIA,
> Mark (on digest mode)
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Jul  8 19:14:40 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2022 23:14:40 +0000
Subject: Encrypted Data over Sockets
Message-ID: <FF0057BE-4B5F-4D66-8F6D-117760E44A22@iotecdigital.com>

Hi all. 

I'm running into a curious thing. I am sending encrypted data over a socket connection. When I send the data, I am using blocking mode, where the commands look like this:

         if tCurrentConnectionA ["ssl"] is true then
            put slyEncrypt(tSocketData) into tSocketData
         end if
         
         close socket tSocket -- in case it was left open
         open socket to tSocket
         write tSocketData & linefeed to socket tSocket
         read from socket tSocket until linefeed
         put it into tReceivedData
         
         if the last char of tReceivedData is linefeed then \
               delete last char of tReceivedData
         
         close socket tSocket
         
         if tCurrentConnectionA ["ssl"] is true then
            put slyDecrypt(tReceivedData) into tReceivedData
         end if

Now just to belay questions that might be asked, I know that the read from socket is working because I get a salted hash back, so the server is doing what it is supposed to on the other end. 

However when I go to decrypt the hash I am SOMETIMES getting the dreaded Wrong final block length as an error. Curiously, sometimes it works! 

My suspicion is that the hash contains a linefeed (sometimes). So the question I have is, what character is GUARANTEED to NOT be in an aes256 hash? I need a delimiter. Read from socket until eof fails with a timeout. That is intensly unfortunate by the way, it ought to work. 

Bob S



From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Fri Jul  8 19:35:41 2022
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2022 16:35:41 -0700
Subject: Encrypted Data over Sockets
In-Reply-To: <FF0057BE-4B5F-4D66-8F6D-117760E44A22@iotecdigital.com>
References: <FF0057BE-4B5F-4D66-8F6D-117760E44A22@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <ac255d29-5ef6-bf32-abeb-b624197aaabd@sonic.net>

On 7/8/22 16:14, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:

> My suspicion is that the hash contains a linefeed (sometimes). So the question I have is, what character is GUARANTEED to NOT be in an aes256 hash?

Not a valid question.

If you really need to send binary data over a socket connection, start 
by sending a header that contains the data length. Extract that and then 
read that many bytes.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Jul  8 19:49:22 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2022 23:49:22 +0000
Subject: Encrypted Data over Sockets
In-Reply-To: <ac255d29-5ef6-bf32-abeb-b624197aaabd@sonic.net>
References: <FF0057BE-4B5F-4D66-8F6D-117760E44A22@iotecdigital.com>
 <ac255d29-5ef6-bf32-abeb-b624197aaabd@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <9CFC5800-6F23-473F-8277-2247C77B5F0D@iotecdigital.com>

Well I disabled encryption alltogether, sending and receiving an encoded array instead. Upon trying to decode I still get an error, and looking at what I get back, it LOOKS like an encoded array. They is just something wrong with the data. Curiously, if I just send and receive plain text it works every time. 

Bob S


> On Jul 8, 2022, at 16:35 , Mark Wieder via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> On 7/8/22 16:14, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
> 
>> My suspicion is that the hash contains a linefeed (sometimes). So the question I have is, what character is GUARANTEED to NOT be in an aes256 hash?
> 
> Not a valid question.
> 
> If you really need to send binary data over a socket connection, start by sending a header that contains the data length. Extract that and then read that many bytes.
> 
> -- 
> Mark Wieder
> ahsoftware at gmail.com
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From alex at tweedly.net  Fri Jul  8 20:47:07 2022
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2022 01:47:07 +0100
Subject: Encrypted Data over Sockets
In-Reply-To: <9CFC5800-6F23-473F-8277-2247C77B5F0D@iotecdigital.com>
References: <FF0057BE-4B5F-4D66-8F6D-117760E44A22@iotecdigital.com>
 <ac255d29-5ef6-bf32-abeb-b624197aaabd@sonic.net>
 <9CFC5800-6F23-473F-8277-2247C77B5F0D@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <11cf1e98-486c-bd59-1fa6-dc0c620c91a9@tweedly.net>

But, an encoded array is STILL binary data. So any issues with "read 
until linefeed" will still exist.

Try sending a header with number of bytes, followed by the bytes.

If you really wanted, you could do:

    write  (the number of bytes in tSocketData) & linefeed to socket tSocket
    write tSocketData & linefeed to socket tSocket

and then when you read,

    read from socket tSocket until linefeed
    put it into tNumBytes
    read from socket tSocket until linefeed
    put it into tData

and compare tNumbytes with the number of bytes in tData

Or, just do

    read tnumbytes form socket tSocket

Alex.

On 09/07/2022 00:49, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
> Well I disabled encryption alltogether, sending and receiving an encoded array instead. Upon trying to decode I still get an error, and looking at what I get back, it LOOKS like an encoded array. They is just something wrong with the data. Curiously, if I just send and receive plain text it works every time.
>
> Bob S
>
>
>> On Jul 8, 2022, at 16:35 , Mark Wieder via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> On 7/8/22 16:14, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
>>
>>> My suspicion is that the hash contains a linefeed (sometimes). So the question I have is, what character is GUARANTEED to NOT be in an aes256 hash?
>> Not a valid question.
>>
>> If you really need to send binary data over a socket connection, start by sending a header that contains the data length. Extract that and then read that many bytes.
>>
>> -- 
>> Mark Wieder
>> ahsoftware at gmail.com
>>
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From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Fri Jul  8 20:48:41 2022
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2022 17:48:41 -0700
Subject: Encrypted Data over Sockets
In-Reply-To: <9CFC5800-6F23-473F-8277-2247C77B5F0D@iotecdigital.com>
References: <FF0057BE-4B5F-4D66-8F6D-117760E44A22@iotecdigital.com>
 <ac255d29-5ef6-bf32-abeb-b624197aaabd@sonic.net>
 <9CFC5800-6F23-473F-8277-2247C77B5F0D@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <49890233-a7b7-4437-8f1d-91d38f1ebf91@sonic.net>

On 7/8/22 16:49, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
> Well I disabled encryption alltogether, sending and receiving an encoded array instead. Upon trying to decode I still get an error, and looking at what I get back, it LOOKS like an encoded array. They is just something wrong with the data. Curiously, if I just send and receive plain text it works every time.

Not sure what "looks like" an encoded array should mean.
When you encode an array you get binary data. You can't treat it like text.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com


From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Fri Jul  8 20:58:03 2022
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2022 17:58:03 -0700
Subject: Encrypted Data over Sockets
In-Reply-To: <11cf1e98-486c-bd59-1fa6-dc0c620c91a9@tweedly.net>
References: <FF0057BE-4B5F-4D66-8F6D-117760E44A22@iotecdigital.com>
 <ac255d29-5ef6-bf32-abeb-b624197aaabd@sonic.net>
 <9CFC5800-6F23-473F-8277-2247C77B5F0D@iotecdigital.com>
 <11cf1e98-486c-bd59-1fa6-dc0c620c91a9@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <d8afb006-eded-fd49-680d-f242e9a1b1f6@sonic.net>

On 7/8/22 17:47, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:
> But, an encoded array is STILL binary data. So any issues with "read 
> until linefeed" will still exist.
> 
> Try sending a header with number of bytes, followed by the bytes.

Yeah.
What he said.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Jul  8 22:14:42 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2022 02:14:42 +0000
Subject: Encrypted Data over Sockets
In-Reply-To: <49890233-a7b7-4437-8f1d-91d38f1ebf91@sonic.net>
References: <FF0057BE-4B5F-4D66-8F6D-117760E44A22@iotecdigital.com>
 <ac255d29-5ef6-bf32-abeb-b624197aaabd@sonic.net>
 <9CFC5800-6F23-473F-8277-2247C77B5F0D@iotecdigital.com>
 <49890233-a7b7-4437-8f1d-91d38f1ebf91@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <D1C9158B-4793-41AE-83D0-138B50F3A67C@iotecdigital.com>

It looks after the agent receives it generally like how it looked after I encoded the array but before I sent it. Obviously it's not the same. Something is corrupting it over the wire. I am not even using encryption now, just sending the encoded array data and a delimiter. When it decodes on the other end now, arrayDecode fails. 

I guess the question I *should* be asking is, how do I encode binary data to be sent over the wire so that it doesn't become corrupted? 

Bob S


> On Jul 8, 2022, at 17:48 , Mark Wieder via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> On 7/8/22 16:49, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
>> Well I disabled encryption alltogether, sending and receiving an encoded array instead. Upon trying to decode I still get an error, and looking at what I get back, it LOOKS like an encoded array. They is just something wrong with the data. Curiously, if I just send and receive plain text it works every time.
> 
> Not sure what "looks like" an encoded array should mean.
> When you encode an array you get binary data. You can't treat it like text.
> 
> -- 
> Mark Wieder
> ahsoftware at gmail.com
> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Jul  8 22:47:40 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2022 02:47:40 +0000
Subject: Encrypted Data over Sockets
In-Reply-To: <D1C9158B-4793-41AE-83D0-138B50F3A67C@iotecdigital.com>
References: <FF0057BE-4B5F-4D66-8F6D-117760E44A22@iotecdigital.com>
 <ac255d29-5ef6-bf32-abeb-b624197aaabd@sonic.net>
 <9CFC5800-6F23-473F-8277-2247C77B5F0D@iotecdigital.com>
 <49890233-a7b7-4437-8f1d-91d38f1ebf91@sonic.net>
 <D1C9158B-4793-41AE-83D0-138B50F3A67C@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <4B7BF8DA-6182-41EF-A409-252A4B8B8D6B@iotecdigital.com>

Okay apparently base64Encode/Decode is my friend. I have this working now without encryption. I will re-enable encryption and see if that works. 

Bob S


> On Jul 8, 2022, at 19:14 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> It looks after the agent receives it generally like how it looked after I encoded the array but before I sent it. Obviously it's not the same. Something is corrupting it over the wire. I am not even using encryption now, just sending the encoded array data and a delimiter. When it decodes on the other end now, arrayDecode fails. 
> 
> I guess the question I *should* be asking is, how do I encode binary data to be sent over the wire so that it doesn't become corrupted? 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Jul 8, 2022, at 17:48 , Mark Wieder via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> On 7/8/22 16:49, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
>>> Well I disabled encryption alltogether, sending and receiving an encoded array instead. Upon trying to decode I still get an error, and looking at what I get back, it LOOKS like an encoded array. They is just something wrong with the data. Curiously, if I just send and receive plain text it works every time.
>> 
>> Not sure what "looks like" an encoded array should mean.
>> When you encode an array you get binary data. You can't treat it like text.
>> 
>> -- 
>> Mark Wieder
>> ahsoftware at gmail.com
>> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Jul  8 22:53:58 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2022 02:53:58 +0000
Subject: Encrypted Data over Sockets
In-Reply-To: <D1C9158B-4793-41AE-83D0-138B50F3A67C@iotecdigital.com>
References: <FF0057BE-4B5F-4D66-8F6D-117760E44A22@iotecdigital.com>
 <ac255d29-5ef6-bf32-abeb-b624197aaabd@sonic.net>
 <9CFC5800-6F23-473F-8277-2247C77B5F0D@iotecdigital.com>
 <49890233-a7b7-4437-8f1d-91d38f1ebf91@sonic.net>
 <D1C9158B-4793-41AE-83D0-138B50F3A67C@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <0FE598F2-3CF3-4D4E-8300-F608B3D8897E@iotecdigital.com>

Hi all. 

Thanks for putting up with me. I finally got it all to work using base64Encode/Decode on the encrypted string before sending it with a delimiter appended. Same thing coming back. 

Thank for all your patience. I almost became a patient myself. 

Bob S


> On Jul 8, 2022, at 19:14 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> It looks after the agent receives it generally like how it looked after I encoded the array but before I sent it. Obviously it's not the same. Something is corrupting it over the wire. I am not even using encryption now, just sending the encoded array data and a delimiter. When it decodes on the other end now, arrayDecode fails. 
> 
> I guess the question I *should* be asking is, how do I encode binary data to be sent over the wire so that it doesn't become corrupted? 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Jul 8, 2022, at 17:48 , Mark Wieder via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> On 7/8/22 16:49, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
>>> Well I disabled encryption alltogether, sending and receiving an encoded array instead. Upon trying to decode I still get an error, and looking at what I get back, it LOOKS like an encoded array. They is just something wrong with the data. Curiously, if I just send and receive plain text it works every time.
>> 
>> Not sure what "looks like" an encoded array should mean.
>> When you encode an array you get binary data. You can't treat it like text.
>> 
>> -- 
>> Mark Wieder
>> ahsoftware at gmail.com
>> 
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>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Sat Jul  9 03:39:50 2022
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2022 09:39:50 +0200
Subject: MegaBundle whatnot
In-Reply-To: <F108D036-0B45-4FB5-B31F-F595DF7B6174@m-r-d.de>
References: <F108D036-0B45-4FB5-B31F-F595DF7B6174@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <96C795BD-3743-4913-AEDF-2D5D1C17E723@m-r-d.de>

Mark,
What I forgot.

I assume you have a current subscription, right?
So why do you not try a newer LC release; one of the new editions without Indy and business in the name? Anything higher than 9.63 should do. 

Regards
Matthias

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

> Am 08.07.2022 um 21:01 schrieb matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de:
> 
> Mark,
> 
> that seems to be a problem with Indy and Business licenses. I can reproduce it here with an Indy license. Seems, the Enh.Pack needs to be modified a little bit.;)
> 
> As you are on digest mode and i do not know when you read this, I've filed a bug already to speed it up a little bit.
> 
> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23799
> 
> Maybe you want to add yourself to the CC list.
> 
> Regards,
> Matthias
> 
> 
>> Am 08.07.2022 um 19:21 schrieb Mark Clark via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>> 
>> I went ahead and purchased the megabundle, mostly for the LC Enhancement piece. Got that download and clicked the install widgets and the widgets all show “unlicensed.” Hmm, what?
>> 
>> Tried to re-license and for some reason I only see my business license as an option (also have the old commercial license whatever that maps to now). So, np figure it out later, selected business license and LC starts but the enhancements still show unlicensed. Is there something manual I’m missing? 
>> 
>> TIA,
>> Mark (on digest mode)
>> _______________________________________________
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From kaveh at rivervalleytechnologies.com  Sat Jul  9 07:41:26 2022
From: kaveh at rivervalleytechnologies.com (Kaveh)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2022 12:41:26 +0100
Subject: MegaBundle whatnot
In-Reply-To: <96C795BD-3743-4913-AEDF-2D5D1C17E723@m-r-d.de>
References: <F108D036-0B45-4FB5-B31F-F595DF7B6174@m-r-d.de>
 <96C795BD-3743-4913-AEDF-2D5D1C17E723@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <CAJ2R9piz-OwNStU0p7ORqPVerv7z8Pe52GKMfUrbSG_E=TVKTQ@mail.gmail.com>

Why does LiveCode make the licenses so complicated? I try to understand
from time to time so I can repurchase, then give up...

On Sat, 9 Jul 2022 at 08:41, Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Mark,
> What I forgot.
>
> I assume you have a current subscription, right?
> So why do you not try a newer LC release; one of the new editions without
> Indy and business in the name? Anything higher than 9.63 should do.
>
> Regards
> Matthias
>
> Von meinem iPhone gesendet
>
> > Am 08.07.2022 um 21:01 schrieb matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de:
> >
> > Mark,
> >
> > that seems to be a problem with Indy and Business licenses. I can
> reproduce it here with an Indy license. Seems, the Enh.Pack needs to be
> modified a little bit.;)
> >
> > As you are on digest mode and i do not know when you read this, I've
> filed a bug already to speed it up a little bit.
> >
> > https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23799
> >
> > Maybe you want to add yourself to the CC list.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Matthias
> >
> >
> >> Am 08.07.2022 um 19:21 schrieb Mark Clark via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> >>
> >> I went ahead and purchased the megabundle, mostly for the LC
> Enhancement piece. Got that download and clicked the install widgets and
> the widgets all show “unlicensed.” Hmm, what?
> >>
> >> Tried to re-license and for some reason I only see my business license
> as an option (also have the old commercial license whatever that maps to
> now). So, np figure it out later, selected business license and LC starts
> but the enhancements still show unlicensed. Is there something manual I’m
> missing?
> >>
> >> TIA,
> >> Mark (on digest mode)
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> use-livecode mailing list
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >
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From jbv at souslelogo.com  Sat Jul  9 07:43:03 2022
From: jbv at souslelogo.com (jbv at souslelogo.com)
Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2022 07:43:03 -0400
Subject: LC 9.6.8 and UTF-8 on MacOS 10.15
Message-ID: <69ee56759df71bf88f08157d1a83d302@souslelogo.com>

Hi list,

I have a serie of text files in UTF-8 format for which I need to do some 
processing in LC,
and then save to a single text file also in UTF-8.
I am using the following code :

       open file tpath for UTF8 read
       read from file tpath until EOF
       close file tpath1
       --put it into tfile
       put textdecode(it,"UTF-8") into tfile

--    processing

       open file tpath2 for UTF8 write
       write liste_credits to file tpath2
       close file tpath2

If I use "put it into tfile" instead of "put textDecode...", the text 
content is full of typical
gibberish (such as "" instead of "").
I thought the latest LC versions could process UTF-8 natively. So why is 
"textdecode" necessary
to obtain special characters in their true form ?
Thank you in advance.

jbv


From sean at pidigital.co.uk  Sat Jul  9 08:50:49 2022
From: sean at pidigital.co.uk (Pi Digital)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2022 13:50:49 +0100
Subject: LC 9.6.8 and UTF-8 on MacOS 10.15
In-Reply-To: <69ee56759df71bf88f08157d1a83d302@souslelogo.com>
References: <69ee56759df71bf88f08157d1a83d302@souslelogo.com>
Message-ID: <806C3DD1-5EAA-48F5-B8BD-4FAE343D2609@pidigital.co.uk>

What result do you get from:
put it contains “æ”

Sean Cole
Pi

> On 9 Jul 2022, at 12:43, jbv via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> æ

From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Sat Jul  9 11:37:21 2022
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2022 08:37:21 -0700
Subject: Encrypted Data over Sockets
In-Reply-To: <4B7BF8DA-6182-41EF-A409-252A4B8B8D6B@iotecdigital.com>
References: <FF0057BE-4B5F-4D66-8F6D-117760E44A22@iotecdigital.com>
 <ac255d29-5ef6-bf32-abeb-b624197aaabd@sonic.net>
 <9CFC5800-6F23-473F-8277-2247C77B5F0D@iotecdigital.com>
 <49890233-a7b7-4437-8f1d-91d38f1ebf91@sonic.net>
 <D1C9158B-4793-41AE-83D0-138B50F3A67C@iotecdigital.com>
 <4B7BF8DA-6182-41EF-A409-252A4B8B8D6B@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <62687332-7e51-8e02-2709-98c18073ea4f@sonic.net>

On 7/8/22 19:47, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
> Okay apparently base64Encode/Decode is my friend. I have this working now without encryption. I will re-enable encryption and see if that works.

Base64 encoding will do the trick but at the expense of making your data 
strings twice as long as the binary equivalents.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com


From dan at clearvisiontech.com  Sat Jul  9 15:07:44 2022
From: dan at clearvisiontech.com (Dan Friedman)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2022 19:07:44 +0000
Subject: Signing and Uploading apps to the Mac App Store HELL!
Message-ID: <6AECE726-DF3C-4B4B-BE69-5757F25B2C2C@clearvisiontech.com>

Greetings!  I am pulling out my hair in getting my app prepared for the MacApp Store (and for downloading from my website).  I can't take it anymore!!   Is there someone here I can pay to either do this for me, or walk me through this hideous process?

-Dan


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Jul  9 16:17:23 2022
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2022 15:17:23 -0500
Subject: Tree Widget: hilitedValue?
In-Reply-To: <40617774-9e2b-4c3d-7cbe-df34553aab16@fourthworld.com>
References: <40617774-9e2b-4c3d-7cbe-df34553aab16@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <1d6413a2-e2fc-5676-c21c-ffe1be21f960@hyperactivesw.com>

On 7/8/22 12:34 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:
> I see the Tree widget supports a hilitedElement property, which is useful for managing the 
> selection in the UI.
> 
> Is there a one-liner for obtaining not the element path but the value?

I'm using an older version, but here the hilitedElement includes the values of each element in 
the path.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Jul  9 17:07:01 2022
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2022 16:07:01 -0500
Subject: Tree Widget: hilitedValue?
In-Reply-To: <1d6413a2-e2fc-5676-c21c-ffe1be21f960@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <40617774-9e2b-4c3d-7cbe-df34553aab16@fourthworld.com>
 <1d6413a2-e2fc-5676-c21c-ffe1be21f960@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <3aacafc7-a26e-c55f-107c-7272cdc86794@hyperactivesw.com>

On 7/9/22 3:17 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
> On 7/8/22 12:34 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:
>> I see the Tree widget supports a hilitedElement property, which is useful for managing the 
>> selection in the UI.
>>
>> Is there a one-liner for obtaining not the element path but the value?
> 
> I'm using an older version, but here the hilitedElement includes the values of each element in 
> the path.
> 

I misunderstood, you don't mean just the names of the elements. The value shows up as part of 
the tree unless you turn off "show values". I think you'll have to parse the array to actually 
get the values in a leaf.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From markclark at mac.com  Sat Jul  9 19:25:10 2022
From: markclark at mac.com (Mark Clark)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2022 18:25:10 -0500
Subject: use-livecode Digest, Vol 226, Issue 8
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1657382401.403523.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.3.1657382401.403523.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <9AC9115B-E414-471E-8729-107880559181@mac.com>

Hey, saw your post  this am and much appreciated. I sent a request to support as well. 

Thanks for the assist and confirmation!

Mark

It seems that each time I sign up for the bug tracker and or forums my main livecode.com <http://livecode.com/> password gets mangled. Been happening for years and if I remember I’ll ask for support help there. Likely something to do with keychain being confused about similar url’s.

> On Jul 9, 2022, at 11:00 AM, use-livecode-request at lists.runrev.com wrote:
> 
> As you are on digest mode and i do not know when you read this, I've filed a bug already to speed it up a little bit.
> 
> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23799 <https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23799> <https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23799 <https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23799>>
> 
> Maybe you want to add yourself to the CC list.
> 
> Regards,
> Matthias


From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Sat Jul  9 19:34:49 2022
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2022 01:34:49 +0200
Subject: use-livecode Digest, Vol 226, Issue 8
In-Reply-To: <9AC9115B-E414-471E-8729-107880559181@mac.com>
References: <mailman.3.1657382401.403523.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
 <9AC9115B-E414-471E-8729-107880559181@mac.com>
Message-ID: <1F9D5EFE-55D7-4B15-93B8-4DF55115FF7B@m-r-d.de>



> Am 10.07.2022 um 01:25 schrieb Mark Clark via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Hey, saw your post  this am and much appreciated. I sent a request to support as well. 
> 
> Thanks for the assist and confirmation!
> 
> Mark
> 
> It seems that each time I sign up for the bug tracker and or forums my main livecode.com <http://livecode.com/> password gets mangled. Been happening for years and if I remember I’ll ask for support help there. Likely something to do with keychain being confused about similar url’s.
> 
The easiest way to see if it is really a keychain thing is, search for livecode in KeyChain.app and delete all Livecode entries and then reset your password for Livecode.com <http://livecode.com/> account and the QualityCenter.

Regards,
Matthias


>> On Jul 9, 2022, at 11:00 AM, use-livecode-request at lists.runrev.com wrote:
>> 
>> As you are on digest mode and i do not know when you read this, I've filed a bug already to speed it up a little bit.
>> 
>> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23799 <https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23799> <https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23799 <https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23799>>
>> 
>> Maybe you want to add yourself to the CC list.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Matthias
> 
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From brian at milby7.com  Sat Jul  9 20:11:29 2022
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2022 20:11:29 -0400
Subject: Tree Widget: hilitedValue?
In-Reply-To: <3aacafc7-a26e-c55f-107c-7272cdc86794@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <40617774-9e2b-4c3d-7cbe-df34553aab16@fourthworld.com>
 <1d6413a2-e2fc-5676-c21c-ffe1be21f960@hyperactivesw.com>
 <3aacafc7-a26e-c55f-107c-7272cdc86794@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <CA+yhkRZFX5_fN3=VomXM9j7+c2=QYM4CvYBWYJvF6M+-H0VB4g@mail.gmail.com>

I don't think there is an existing one liner, but it can be done a couple
ways.

Here is a recursive function defined in the PI code for Custom Props:

on fetchArrayDataOnPath pPath, pArray, @rData
   local tKey
   put item 1 of pPath into tKey
   if the number of items in pPath is 1 then
      if tKey is not among the keys of pArray then
         return "no such key"
      else
         put pArray[tKey] into rData
         return empty
      end if
   else
      delete item 1 of pPath
      fetchArrayDataOnPath pPath, pArray[tKey], rData
   end if
end fetchArrayDataOnPath

There are other handlers in that script that could be useful as well
(add/set/delete).

You could also turn the path into an array (but lose the error checking
above):

function getValue pArray, pPath
   split pPath by comma
   return pArray[pPath]
end getValue

Thanks,
Brian

On Sat, Jul 9, 2022 at 5:08 PM J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> On 7/9/22 3:17 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
> > On 7/8/22 12:34 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:
> >> I see the Tree widget supports a hilitedElement property, which is
> useful for managing the
> >> selection in the UI.
> >>
> >> Is there a one-liner for obtaining not the element path but the value?
> >
> > I'm using an older version, but here the hilitedElement includes the
> values of each element in
> > the path.
> >
>
> I misunderstood, you don't mean just the names of the elements. The value
> shows up as part of
> the tree unless you turn off "show values". I think you'll have to parse
> the array to actually
> get the values in a leaf.
>
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>
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From paul at researchware.com  Sun Jul 10 12:58:16 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2022 12:58:16 -0400
Subject: macOS Ventura (13.x.x)...
Message-ID: <d5e67423-cdb5-00c6-7b53-1811e161e16f@researchware.com>

Is anyone out there in Livecode land running a developer beta of macOS 
Ventura (13.x.x)?

If so, I am hoping you can perform a quick test:

systemVersion() returns 10.16 for macOS Big Sur or Monterey under 
Livecode 9.6.7 and earlier (in the 9.6.x versions). The systemVersion() 
bug was just fixed in LC 9.6.8.

I'd like to ask if someone on Ventura (13.x.x) can run LC 9.6.7 or any 
9.6.x less than 9.6.8) and confirm that systemVersion() also reports 
10.16 for macOS Ventura - i.e. that the systemVersion() bug behaves the 
same way under Ventura for recent versions of LC less than LC 9.6.8.

Thank you to anyone that can do this test in advance,

Paul Dupuis
Researchware


From colinholgate at gmail.com  Sun Jul 10 13:26:31 2022
From: colinholgate at gmail.com (Colin Holgate)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2022 11:26:31 -0600
Subject: macOS Ventura (13.x.x)...
In-Reply-To: <d5e67423-cdb5-00c6-7b53-1811e161e16f@researchware.com>
References: <d5e67423-cdb5-00c6-7b53-1811e161e16f@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <C049455B-82E1-4B0D-8CF8-BA856B380C2B@gmail.com>

With 9.6.3 Community version, showing the message box, or the script window of a button, crashes LiveCode right away.

Opening a stack made in 9.6.3 with Monterey, does show 10.16.0 when run in 9.6.3 in Ventura.


> On Jul 10, 2022, at 10:58 AM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Is anyone out there in Livecode land running a developer beta of macOS Ventura (13.x.x)?
> 
> If so, I am hoping you can perform a quick test:
> 
> systemVersion() returns 10.16 for macOS Big Sur or Monterey under Livecode 9.6.7 and earlier (in the 9.6.x versions). The systemVersion() bug was just fixed in LC 9.6.8.
> 
> I'd like to ask if someone on Ventura (13.x.x) can run LC 9.6.7 or any 9.6.x less than 9.6.8) and confirm that systemVersion() also reports 10.16 for macOS Ventura - i.e. that the systemVersion() bug behaves the same way under Ventura for recent versions of LC less than LC 9.6.8.
> 
> Thank you to anyone that can do this test in advance,
> 
> Paul Dupuis
> Researchware
> 
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From paul at researchware.com  Sun Jul 10 14:29:08 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2022 14:29:08 -0400
Subject: macOS Ventura (13.x.x)...
In-Reply-To: <C049455B-82E1-4B0D-8CF8-BA856B380C2B@gmail.com>
References: <d5e67423-cdb5-00c6-7b53-1811e161e16f@researchware.com>
 <C049455B-82E1-4B0D-8CF8-BA856B380C2B@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9feab550-465d-f0f3-9754-cf7ba7c96259@researchware.com>

On 7/10/2022 1:26 PM, Colin Holgate via use-livecode wrote:
> With 9.6.3 Community version, showing the message box, or the script window of a button, crashes LiveCode right away.
>
> Opening a stack made in 9.6.3 with Monterey, does show 10.16.0 when run in 9.6.3 in Ventura.
>
>

Thank you.



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sun Jul 10 16:33:15 2022
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2022 13:33:15 -0700
Subject: Tree Widget: hilitedValue?
In-Reply-To: <CA+yhkRZFX5_fN3=VomXM9j7+c2=QYM4CvYBWYJvF6M+-H0VB4g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+yhkRZFX5_fN3=VomXM9j7+c2=QYM4CvYBWYJvF6M+-H0VB4g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9c1a8fdb-0e03-9389-dd6c-ddc85be232f3@fourthworld.com>

Brian Milby wrote:

 > You could also turn the path into an array (but lose the error
 > checking above):
 >
 > function getValue pArray, pPath
 >   split pPath by comma
 >   return pArray[pPath]
 > end getValue

Thanks, Brian. I keep forgetting we can use an array as an element 
specifier.

Has that been around the whole time, or was it added in recent years?

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Jul 10 16:45:35 2022
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2022 15:45:35 -0500
Subject: Tree Widget: hilitedValue?
In-Reply-To: <CA+yhkRZFX5_fN3=VomXM9j7+c2=QYM4CvYBWYJvF6M+-H0VB4g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <40617774-9e2b-4c3d-7cbe-df34553aab16@fourthworld.com>
 <1d6413a2-e2fc-5676-c21c-ffe1be21f960@hyperactivesw.com>
 <3aacafc7-a26e-c55f-107c-7272cdc86794@hyperactivesw.com>
 <CA+yhkRZFX5_fN3=VomXM9j7+c2=QYM4CvYBWYJvF6M+-H0VB4g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d4dda1f9-0908-2b15-2bcc-b74a6e90aa4f@hyperactivesw.com>

On 7/9/22 7:11 PM, Brian Milby via use-livecode wrote:
> function getValue pArray, pPath
>     split pPath by comma
>     return pArray[pPath]
> end getValue

I keep forgetting we can do that. It's cool, but I don't understand how it works. Splitting the 
path by comma produces a numbered array, and yet the function appears to ignore the numerical 
keys and return only the element values.

How come?

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Jul 10 16:49:23 2022
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2022 15:49:23 -0500
Subject: macOS Ventura (13.x.x)...
In-Reply-To: <C049455B-82E1-4B0D-8CF8-BA856B380C2B@gmail.com>
References: <d5e67423-cdb5-00c6-7b53-1811e161e16f@researchware.com>
 <C049455B-82E1-4B0D-8CF8-BA856B380C2B@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <89711cd0-dfea-6c65-1ccb-fb3bedae2896@hyperactivesw.com>

On 7/10/22 12:26 PM, Colin Holgate via use-livecode wrote:
> With 9.6.3 Community version, showing the message box, or the script window of a button, crashes LiveCode right away.

Sounds like the OSS community has some work to do, if there is anyone with the skills still there.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From brian at milby7.com  Sun Jul 10 17:24:06 2022
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2022 17:24:06 -0400
Subject: Tree Widget: hilitedValue?
In-Reply-To: <d4dda1f9-0908-2b15-2bcc-b74a6e90aa4f@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <d4dda1f9-0908-2b15-2bcc-b74a6e90aa4f@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <6ED6C57B-246A-45EB-8128-69A655C9E215@milby7.com>

If pPath[1] = “a” and pPath[2] = “b”
Then pArray[pPath] is the same as saying pArray[“a”][“b”]

I’m not sure when it was added.  It is relatively recent (7 or 8 I think, but not sure)

Thanks,
Brian

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 10, 2022, at 4:46 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> On 7/9/22 7:11 PM, Brian Milby via use-livecode wrote:
>> function getValue pArray, pPath
>>    split pPath by comma
>>    return pArray[pPath]
>> end getValue
> 
> I keep forgetting we can do that. It's cool, but I don't understand how it works. Splitting the path by comma produces a numbered array, and yet the function appears to ignore the numerical keys and return only the element values.
> 
> How come?
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> 
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From paulmcclernan at gmail.com  Mon Jul 11 02:45:01 2022
From: paulmcclernan at gmail.com (Paul McClernan)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2022 02:45:01 -0400
Subject: macOS Ventura (13.x.x)...
In-Reply-To: <89711cd0-dfea-6c65-1ccb-fb3bedae2896@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <d5e67423-cdb5-00c6-7b53-1811e161e16f@researchware.com>
 <C049455B-82E1-4B0D-8CF8-BA856B380C2B@gmail.com>
 <89711cd0-dfea-6c65-1ccb-fb3bedae2896@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <CA+mv_tWFsbE12D4yg0p85ceR6AsVM=94jR=YkKft5myx4CTX8g@mail.gmail.com>

The OSS "community" already had TONs of work to do.

Apparently a lot of other software is crashing with macOS Ventura as well.
I wonder why? Time to install Ventura and find out I guess.

Every year this former mac fan-boy inches closer to becoming a Linux regular.


On Sun, Jul 10, 2022 at 4:50 PM J. Landman Gay via use-livecode
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> On 7/10/22 12:26 PM, Colin Holgate via use-livecode wrote:
> > With 9.6.3 Community version, showing the message box, or the script window of a button, crashes LiveCode right away.
>
> Sounds like the OSS community has some work to do, if there is anyone with the skills still there.
>
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Mon Jul 11 02:53:03 2022
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2022 08:53:03 +0200
Subject: macOS Ventura (13.x.x)...
In-Reply-To: <CA+mv_tWFsbE12D4yg0p85ceR6AsVM=94jR=YkKft5myx4CTX8g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d5e67423-cdb5-00c6-7b53-1811e161e16f@researchware.com>
 <C049455B-82E1-4B0D-8CF8-BA856B380C2B@gmail.com>
 <89711cd0-dfea-6c65-1ccb-fb3bedae2896@hyperactivesw.com>
 <CA+mv_tWFsbE12D4yg0p85ceR6AsVM=94jR=YkKft5myx4CTX8g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAL3fwti_AFp0pQvEOKf_yJmEzkxWuMbkeHxeG7nnkO_yc6oYTg@mail.gmail.com>

Well there go my plans for early adoption.

I do feel that the 'new OS a year' model means that ALL the versions are
unfinished.

I could say the same about LiveCode versions.

Running RevMedia 4 on Xubuntu 22.04 serves as a reminder of some of the
niggles relating to the elevator theory of human evolution.

On Mon, 11 Jul 2022, 08:46 Paul McClernan via use-livecode, <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> The OSS "community" already had TONs of work to do.
>
> Apparently a lot of other software is crashing with macOS Ventura as well.
> I wonder why? Time to install Ventura and find out I guess.
>
> Every year this former mac fan-boy inches closer to becoming a Linux
> regular.
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 10, 2022 at 4:50 PM J. Landman Gay via use-livecode
> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > On 7/10/22 12:26 PM, Colin Holgate via use-livecode wrote:
> > > With 9.6.3 Community version, showing the message box, or the script
> window of a button, crashes LiveCode right away.
> >
> > Sounds like the OSS community has some work to do, if there is anyone
> with the skills still there.
> >
> > --
> > Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> > HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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From heather at livecode.com  Mon Jul 11 04:27:50 2022
From: heather at livecode.com (Heather Laine)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2022 09:27:50 +0100
Subject: MegaBundle whatnot
In-Reply-To: <CAJ2R9piz-OwNStU0p7ORqPVerv7z8Pe52GKMfUrbSG_E=TVKTQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <F108D036-0B45-4FB5-B31F-F595DF7B6174@m-r-d.de>
 <96C795BD-3743-4913-AEDF-2D5D1C17E723@m-r-d.de>
 <CAJ2R9piz-OwNStU0p7ORqPVerv7z8Pe52GKMfUrbSG_E=TVKTQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A342ED1-8FEC-4577-8B0C-C8D7360A7258@livecode.com>

Kaveh and Co,

We have actually simplified the licensing in the move to Single Edition, which is what is causing the confusion here. There is no such thing as Indy or Business anymore. It's all just LiveCode. You pick the platforms you want and off you go...

However the new Enhancements Bundle widgets post-date Indy/Business and hence do not recognise it. The solution being simply to run the latest version. 9.6.8 or 10 dp 4 will be just fine.

Best Regards,

Heather

Heather Laine
Customer Services Manager
LiveCode Ltd
www.livecode.com



> On 9 Jul 2022, at 12:41, Kaveh via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Why does LiveCode make the licenses so complicated? I try to understand
> from time to time so I can repurchase, then give up...
> 
> On Sat, 9 Jul 2022 at 08:41, Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> Mark,
>> What I forgot.
>> 
>> I assume you have a current subscription, right?
>> So why do you not try a newer LC release; one of the new editions without
>> Indy and business in the name? Anything higher than 9.63 should do.
>> 
>> Regards
>> Matthias
>> 
>> Von meinem iPhone gesendet
>> 
>>> Am 08.07.2022 um 21:01 schrieb matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de:
>>> 
>>> Mark,
>>> 
>>> that seems to be a problem with Indy and Business licenses. I can
>> reproduce it here with an Indy license. Seems, the Enh.Pack needs to be
>> modified a little bit.;)
>>> 
>>> As you are on digest mode and i do not know when you read this, I've
>> filed a bug already to speed it up a little bit.
>>> 
>>> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23799
>>> 
>>> Maybe you want to add yourself to the CC list.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Matthias
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Am 08.07.2022 um 19:21 schrieb Mark Clark via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>>> 
>>>> I went ahead and purchased the megabundle, mostly for the LC
>> Enhancement piece. Got that download and clicked the install widgets and
>> the widgets all show “unlicensed.” Hmm, what?
>>>> 
>>>> Tried to re-license and for some reason I only see my business license
>> as an option (also have the old commercial license whatever that maps to
>> now). So, np figure it out later, selected business license and LC starts
>> but the enhancements still show unlicensed. Is there something manual I’m
>> missing?
>>>> 
>>>> TIA,
>>>> Mark (on digest mode)
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From selander at tkf.att.ne.jp  Mon Jul 11 07:35:07 2022
From: selander at tkf.att.ne.jp (Tim Selander)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2022 20:35:07 +0900
Subject: What is the best way to trigger an action at a certain time?
Message-ID: <bedaf0fe-3faf-0122-96e4-6ab5c0de9419@tkf.att.ne.jp>

Dear all,

I want to have an LC app running on a computer doing nothing but 
watching the time. At predetermined times, I then want it to run 
a command. A call to an API on a website.

In the old HC days, I remember using "on idle" to watch for a set 
time. But even then, using "on idle" was less than ideal. CPU 
hog. What is the preferred/LC way to have an app trigger a 
command at a specific time of day?

Any pointers appreciated!

Tim Selander
Tokyo, Japan


From tore.nilsen at me.com  Mon Jul 11 07:43:45 2022
From: tore.nilsen at me.com (Tore Nilsen)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2022 13:43:45 +0200
Subject: What is the best way to trigger an action at a certain time?
In-Reply-To: <bedaf0fe-3faf-0122-96e4-6ab5c0de9419@tkf.att.ne.jp>
References: <bedaf0fe-3faf-0122-96e4-6ab5c0de9419@tkf.att.ne.jp>
Message-ID: <126692CE-04E5-4930-A7DC-5BB96BA49B90@me.com>

For this I would use a recursive approach with «send in time» something like this:

on openStack	
    checkTime
end openStack

on checkTime
  ## Do your routines of checking time, performing the required action etc.
  send checkTime to me in 300 seconds. ## you set the interval to whatever is best for you
end checkTime

Best regards
Tore Nilsen

> 11. jul. 2022 kl. 13:35 skrev Tim Selander via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Dear all,
> 
> I want to have an LC app running on a computer doing nothing but watching the time. At predetermined times, I then want it to run a command. A call to an API on a website.
> 
> In the old HC days, I remember using "on idle" to watch for a set time. But even then, using "on idle" was less than ideal. CPU hog. What is the preferred/LC way to have an app trigger a command at a specific time of day?
> 
> Any pointers appreciated!
> 
> Tim Selander
> Tokyo, Japan
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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From selander at tkf.att.ne.jp  Mon Jul 11 07:47:33 2022
From: selander at tkf.att.ne.jp (Tim Selander)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2022 20:47:33 +0900
Subject: What is the best way to trigger an action at a certain time?
In-Reply-To: <126692CE-04E5-4930-A7DC-5BB96BA49B90@me.com>
References: <bedaf0fe-3faf-0122-96e4-6ab5c0de9419@tkf.att.ne.jp>
 <126692CE-04E5-4930-A7DC-5BB96BA49B90@me.com>
Message-ID: <afb1d15b-6b34-068d-45ad-5b844486a3ce@tkf.att.ne.jp>

Tore,

Interesting! 'send in time' is a new one for me.
Thanks!

Tim

On 2022.07.11 20:43, Tore Nilsen via use-livecode wrote:
> For this I would use a recursive approach with «send in time» something like this:
> 
> on openStack	
>      checkTime
> end openStack
> 
> on checkTime
>    ## Do your routines of checking time, performing the required action etc.
>    send checkTime to me in 300 seconds. ## you set the interval to whatever is best for you
> end checkTime
> 
> Best regards
> Tore Nilsen
> 
>> 11. jul. 2022 kl. 13:35 skrev Tim Selander via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> I want to have an LC app running on a computer doing nothing but watching the time. At predetermined times, I then want it to run a command. A call to an API on a website.
>>
>> In the old HC days, I remember using "on idle" to watch for a set time. But even then, using "on idle" was less than ideal. CPU hog. What is the preferred/LC way to have an app trigger a command at a specific time of day?
>>
>> Any pointers appreciated!
>>
>> Tim Selander
>> Tokyo, Japan
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> 
> 
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From colinholgate at gmail.com  Mon Jul 11 08:22:20 2022
From: colinholgate at gmail.com (Colin Holgate)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2022 06:22:20 -0600
Subject: macOS Ventura (13.x.x)...
In-Reply-To: <CAL3fwti_AFp0pQvEOKf_yJmEzkxWuMbkeHxeG7nnkO_yc6oYTg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d5e67423-cdb5-00c6-7b53-1811e161e16f@researchware.com>
 <C049455B-82E1-4B0D-8CF8-BA856B380C2B@gmail.com>
 <89711cd0-dfea-6c65-1ccb-fb3bedae2896@hyperactivesw.com>
 <CA+mv_tWFsbE12D4yg0p85ceR6AsVM=94jR=YkKft5myx4CTX8g@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAL3fwti_AFp0pQvEOKf_yJmEzkxWuMbkeHxeG7nnkO_yc6oYTg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8E31A85E-2C32-45EB-BFAB-62C716D9E6AC@gmail.com>

In general, Ventura is going well.

> On Jul 11, 2022, at 12:53 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Well there go my plans for early adoption.
> 
> I do feel that the 'new OS a year' model means that ALL the versions are
> unfinished.
> 
> I could say the same about LiveCode versions.
> 
> Running RevMedia 4 on Xubuntu 22.04 serves as a reminder of some of the
> niggles relating to the elevator theory of human evolution.
> 
> On Mon, 11 Jul 2022, 08:46 Paul McClernan via use-livecode, <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> The OSS "community" already had TONs of work to do.
>> 
>> Apparently a lot of other software is crashing with macOS Ventura as well.
>> I wonder why? Time to install Ventura and find out I guess.
>> 
>> Every year this former mac fan-boy inches closer to becoming a Linux
>> regular.
>> 
>> 
>> On Sun, Jul 10, 2022 at 4:50 PM J. Landman Gay via use-livecode
>> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 7/10/22 12:26 PM, Colin Holgate via use-livecode wrote:
>>>> With 9.6.3 Community version, showing the message box, or the script
>> window of a button, crashes LiveCode right away.
>>> 
>>> Sounds like the OSS community has some work to do, if there is anyone
>> with the skills still there.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
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From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Mon Jul 11 09:14:08 2022
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2022 09:14:08 -0400
Subject: What is the best way to trigger an action at a certain time?
In-Reply-To: <afb1d15b-6b34-068d-45ad-5b844486a3ce@tkf.att.ne.jp>
References: <bedaf0fe-3faf-0122-96e4-6ab5c0de9419@tkf.att.ne.jp>
 <126692CE-04E5-4930-A7DC-5BB96BA49B90@me.com>
 <afb1d15b-6b34-068d-45ad-5b844486a3ce@tkf.att.ne.jp>
Message-ID: <CADCoycMznw7yoHMxjhV6aHuid7cE8pVMZqUAMXQrmVh0mS2wfw@mail.gmail.com>

I've got a library for adding CRON functionality, if you want something
more elaborate.
https://github.com/macMikey/mikeys-cron-library

On Mon, Jul 11, 2022 at 7:48 AM Tim Selander via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Tore,
>
> Interesting! 'send in time' is a new one for me.
> Thanks!
>
> Tim
>
> On 2022.07.11 20:43, Tore Nilsen via use-livecode wrote:
> > For this I would use a recursive approach with «send in time» something
> like this:
> >
> > on openStack
> >      checkTime
> > end openStack
> >
> > on checkTime
> >    ## Do your routines of checking time, performing the required action
> etc.
> >    send checkTime to me in 300 seconds. ## you set the interval to
> whatever is best for you
> > end checkTime
> >
> > Best regards
> > Tore Nilsen
> >
> >> 11. jul. 2022 kl. 13:35 skrev Tim Selander via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> >>
> >> Dear all,
> >>
> >> I want to have an LC app running on a computer doing nothing but
> watching the time. At predetermined times, I then want it to run a command.
> A call to an API on a website.
> >>
> >> In the old HC days, I remember using "on idle" to watch for a set time.
> But even then, using "on idle" was less than ideal. CPU hog. What is the
> preferred/LC way to have an app trigger a command at a specific time of day?
> >>
> >> Any pointers appreciated!
> >>
> >> Tim Selander
> >> Tokyo, Japan
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> use-livecode mailing list
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
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-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."

From mark at livecode.com  Mon Jul 11 09:25:36 2022
From: mark at livecode.com (Mark Waddingham)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2022 14:25:36 +0100
Subject: Tree Widget: hilitedValue?
In-Reply-To: <9c1a8fdb-0e03-9389-dd6c-ddc85be232f3@fourthworld.com>
References: <CA+yhkRZFX5_fN3=VomXM9j7+c2=QYM4CvYBWYJvF6M+-H0VB4g@mail.gmail.com>
 <9c1a8fdb-0e03-9389-dd6c-ddc85be232f3@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <1d540e298547e449e91ef40f8a6d916a@livecode.com>

On 2022-07-10 21:33, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:
> Brian Milby wrote:
> 
>> You could also turn the path into an array (but lose the error
>> checking above):
>> 
>> function getValue pArray, pPath
>>   split pPath by comma
>>   return pArray[pPath]
>> end getValue
> 
> Thanks, Brian. I keep forgetting we can use an array as an element 
> specifier.
> 
> Has that been around the whole time, or was it added in recent years?

I added it before 6.0 - probably in 4.5 or 5.

Warmest Regards,

Mark.

-- 
Mark Waddingham ~ mark at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
LiveCode: Everyone can create apps


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Jul 11 11:27:09 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2022 15:27:09 +0000
Subject: What is the best way to trigger an action at a certain time?
In-Reply-To: <126692CE-04E5-4930-A7DC-5BB96BA49B90@me.com>
References: <bedaf0fe-3faf-0122-96e4-6ab5c0de9419@tkf.att.ne.jp>
 <126692CE-04E5-4930-A7DC-5BB96BA49B90@me.com>
Message-ID: <39730F96-363E-4B60-A1BF-FEF41E857164@iotecdigital.com>

Slight improvement: 

local lInterval
constant cInterval = 300

on openStack
   put cInterval into lInterval
   checkTime
end openStack

on checkTime
   -- your code
   send checkTime to me in lInterval  seconds
end checkTime

setProp interval, pInterval
   if pInterval is empty then
      ask "Enter a time interval in seconds:" as sheet
      if the result is not "Cancel" and it is an integer and it >0 then \
         put it into lInterval
   else
      put pInterval into lInterval
   end if
end interval

Bob S


> On Jul 11, 2022, at 04:43 , Tore Nilsen via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> For this I would use a recursive approach with «send in time» something like this:
> 
> on openStack	
>    checkTime
> end openStack
> 
> on checkTime
>  ## Do your routines of checking time, performing the required action etc.
>  send checkTime to me in 300 seconds. ## you set the interval to whatever is best for you
> end checkTime
> 
> Best regards
> Tore Nilsen
> 
>> 11. jul. 2022 kl. 13:35 skrev Tim Selander via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>> 
>> Dear all,
>> 
>> I want to have an LC app running on a computer doing nothing but watching the time. At predetermined times, I then want it to run a command. A call to an API on a website.
>> 
>> In the old HC days, I remember using "on idle" to watch for a set time. But even then, using "on idle" was less than ideal. CPU hog. What is the preferred/LC way to have an app trigger a command at a specific time of day?
>> 
>> Any pointers appreciated!
>> 
>> Tim Selander
>> Tokyo, Japan
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> 
> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Jul 11 11:31:26 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2022 15:31:26 +0000
Subject: macOS Ventura (13.x.x)...
In-Reply-To: <CAL3fwti_AFp0pQvEOKf_yJmEzkxWuMbkeHxeG7nnkO_yc6oYTg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d5e67423-cdb5-00c6-7b53-1811e161e16f@researchware.com>
 <C049455B-82E1-4B0D-8CF8-BA856B380C2B@gmail.com>
 <89711cd0-dfea-6c65-1ccb-fb3bedae2896@hyperactivesw.com>
 <CA+mv_tWFsbE12D4yg0p85ceR6AsVM=94jR=YkKft5myx4CTX8g@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAL3fwti_AFp0pQvEOKf_yJmEzkxWuMbkeHxeG7nnkO_yc6oYTg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7CA94173-546D-410C-8CE1-76EADEC8F149@iotecdigital.com>

Like how did our stomaches evolve without a circulatory system, and without a circulatory system, how did we develop stomaches? 

Bob S


> On Jul 10, 2022, at 23:53 , Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Running RevMedia 4 on Xubuntu 22.04 serves as a reminder of some of the
> niggles relating to the elevator theory of human evolution.



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Jul 12 06:28:04 2022
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2022 13:28:04 +0300
Subject: macOS Ventura (13.x.x)...
In-Reply-To: <7CA94173-546D-410C-8CE1-76EADEC8F149@iotecdigital.com>
References: <d5e67423-cdb5-00c6-7b53-1811e161e16f@researchware.com>
 <C049455B-82E1-4B0D-8CF8-BA856B380C2B@gmail.com>
 <89711cd0-dfea-6c65-1ccb-fb3bedae2896@hyperactivesw.com>
 <CA+mv_tWFsbE12D4yg0p85ceR6AsVM=94jR=YkKft5myx4CTX8g@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAL3fwti_AFp0pQvEOKf_yJmEzkxWuMbkeHxeG7nnkO_yc6oYTg@mail.gmail.com>
 <7CA94173-546D-410C-8CE1-76EADEC8F149@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <c858248a-01c4-5fb0-dd24-6226c6acd028@gmail.com>

That is a complete misunderstanding of the elevator theory of evolution: 
this was a theory propagated by some
of the people who misread Darwin (I don't mean Hobbesian individualists 
like Huxley and Dawkins) to say that
evolution is a linear and ever-upwards process.

On 11.07.22 18:31, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
> Like how did our stomaches evolve without a circulatory system, and without a circulatory system, how did we develop stomaches?
>
> Bob S
>
>
>> On Jul 10, 2022, at 23:53 , Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> Running RevMedia 4 on Xubuntu 22.04 serves as a reminder of some of the
>> niggles relating to the elevator theory of human evolution.
>
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> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Tue Jul 12 08:33:31 2022
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2022 08:33:31 -0400
Subject: What is the best way to trigger an action at a certain time?
In-Reply-To: <39730F96-363E-4B60-A1BF-FEF41E857164@iotecdigital.com>
References: <bedaf0fe-3faf-0122-96e4-6ab5c0de9419@tkf.att.ne.jp>
 <126692CE-04E5-4930-A7DC-5BB96BA49B90@me.com>
 <39730F96-363E-4B60-A1BF-FEF41E857164@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycMc7dUCOtpu2mJaagrwQdrFyjyCtLkbuGps+63PYd0enQ@mail.gmail.com>

I would suggest sending the "checkTime" message at the top of the handler
in case something happens in --your code

On Mon, Jul 11, 2022 at 11:28 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Slight improvement:
>
> local lInterval
> constant cInterval = 300
>
> on openStack
>    put cInterval into lInterval
>    checkTime
> end openStack
>
> on checkTime
>    -- your code
>    send checkTime to me in lInterval  seconds
> end checkTime
>
> setProp interval, pInterval
>    if pInterval is empty then
>       ask "Enter a time interval in seconds:" as sheet
>       if the result is not "Cancel" and it is an integer and it >0 then \
>          put it into lInterval
>    else
>       put pInterval into lInterval
>    end if
> end interval
>
> Bob S
>
>
> > On Jul 11, 2022, at 04:43 , Tore Nilsen via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > For this I would use a recursive approach with «send in time» something
> like this:
> >
> > on openStack
> >    checkTime
> > end openStack
> >
> > on checkTime
> >  ## Do your routines of checking time, performing the required action
> etc.
> >  send checkTime to me in 300 seconds. ## you set the interval to
> whatever is best for you
> > end checkTime
> >
> > Best regards
> > Tore Nilsen
> >
> >> 11. jul. 2022 kl. 13:35 skrev Tim Selander via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> >>
> >> Dear all,
> >>
> >> I want to have an LC app running on a computer doing nothing but
> watching the time. At predetermined times, I then want it to run a command.
> A call to an API on a website.
> >>
> >> In the old HC days, I remember using "on idle" to watch for a set time.
> But even then, using "on idle" was less than ideal. CPU hog. What is the
> preferred/LC way to have an app trigger a command at a specific time of day?
> >>
> >> Any pointers appreciated!
> >>
> >> Tim Selander
> >> Tokyo, Japan
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> use-livecode mailing list
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>
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> subscription preferences:
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-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."

From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Tue Jul 12 10:48:04 2022
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2022 15:48:04 +0100
Subject: What is the best way to trigger an action at a certain time?
In-Reply-To: <bedaf0fe-3faf-0122-96e4-6ab5c0de9419@tkf.att.ne.jp>
References: <bedaf0fe-3faf-0122-96e4-6ab5c0de9419@tkf.att.ne.jp>
Message-ID: <5f54fb78-1b04-60a3-4797-52034fd89ba9@cogapp.com>


Hi Tim,

On 11/07/2022 12:35, Tim Selander via use-livecode wrote:
> I want to have an LC app running on a computer doing nothing but watching the 
> time. At predetermined times, I then want it to run a command. A call to an 
> API on a website.

My $0.02, FWIW: it this is really all your app is doing, and the times are 
every fee hours or days, rather than every few seconds, I would use the 
computer's built in scheduler to invoke your app, rather than have it running 
continuously and watching the time.

I have a number of things like this - LC apps which are launched by schedule. 
On Windows, the Windows scheduler (I generally use a batch script which 
launches the app in this case); on Mac or Linux, use cron. I find this more 
reliable, easier to update etc.

Ben


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Jul 12 10:53:16 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2022 14:53:16 +0000
Subject: macOS Ventura (13.x.x)...
In-Reply-To: <c858248a-01c4-5fb0-dd24-6226c6acd028@gmail.com>
References: <d5e67423-cdb5-00c6-7b53-1811e161e16f@researchware.com>
 <C049455B-82E1-4B0D-8CF8-BA856B380C2B@gmail.com>
 <89711cd0-dfea-6c65-1ccb-fb3bedae2896@hyperactivesw.com>
 <CA+mv_tWFsbE12D4yg0p85ceR6AsVM=94jR=YkKft5myx4CTX8g@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAL3fwti_AFp0pQvEOKf_yJmEzkxWuMbkeHxeG7nnkO_yc6oYTg@mail.gmail.com>
 <7CA94173-546D-410C-8CE1-76EADEC8F149@iotecdigital.com>
 <c858248a-01c4-5fb0-dd24-6226c6acd028@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56EA2603-420C-4C4B-BF81-D842EF754B7E@iotecdigital.com>

Ah. I stand corrected. 

Of course, nothing in nature is linear. 

And I still need to figure out how a stomache would have done us any good withour a circulatory system to get the food to the cells, or lungs to get oxygen to everything for that matter. It seems if you think about it that no vital organ would have provided any advantage without all the other organs being fully developed. Begs some questions, eh? 

Bob S


> On Jul 12, 2022, at 03:28 , Richmond via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> That is a complete misunderstanding of the elevator theory of evolution: this was a theory propagated by some
> of the people who misread Darwin (I don't mean Hobbesian individualists like Huxley and Dawkins) to say that
> evolution is a linear and ever-upwards process.



From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Jul 12 10:56:03 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2022 14:56:03 +0000
Subject: What is the best way to trigger an action at a certain time?
In-Reply-To: <5f54fb78-1b04-60a3-4797-52034fd89ba9@cogapp.com>
References: <bedaf0fe-3faf-0122-96e4-6ab5c0de9419@tkf.att.ne.jp>
 <5f54fb78-1b04-60a3-4797-52034fd89ba9@cogapp.com>
Message-ID: <B16FB248-8D49-4A9B-A682-128B7EA90E65@iotecdigital.com>

It seems to me that if you have an open socket to listen for commands, you could have the chron or windows scheduler send those commands to your LC app. 

Ben, some syntax would be helpful. 

Bob S


> On Jul 12, 2022, at 07:48 , Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim,
> 
> On 11/07/2022 12:35, Tim Selander via use-livecode wrote:
>> I want to have an LC app running on a computer doing nothing but watching the time. At predetermined times, I then want it to run a command. A call to an API on a website.
> 
> My $0.02, FWIW: it this is really all your app is doing, and the times are every fee hours or days, rather than every few seconds, I would use the computer's built in scheduler to invoke your app, rather than have it running continuously and watching the time.
> 
> I have a number of things like this - LC apps which are launched by schedule. On Windows, the Windows scheduler (I generally use a batch script which launches the app in this case); on Mac or Linux, use cron. I find this more reliable, easier to update etc.
> 
> Ben



From chipsm at themartinz.com  Tue Jul 12 11:09:51 2022
From: chipsm at themartinz.com (chipsm themartinz.com)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2022 15:09:51 +0000
Subject: MegaBundle whatnot
In-Reply-To: <4A342ED1-8FEC-4577-8B0C-C8D7360A7258@livecode.com>
References: <F108D036-0B45-4FB5-B31F-F595DF7B6174@m-r-d.de>
 <96C795BD-3743-4913-AEDF-2D5D1C17E723@m-r-d.de>
 <CAJ2R9piz-OwNStU0p7ORqPVerv7z8Pe52GKMfUrbSG_E=TVKTQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <4A342ED1-8FEC-4577-8B0C-C8D7360A7258@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <BY3PR01MB6739E442133E4D618ACC5425B7869@BY3PR01MB6739.prod.exchangelabs.com>

What effect does this do to my account?
I have a lifetime guaranteed  price account and I don’t know what happens to my account.

Sincerely,

Clarence P. Martin
chipsm at themartinz.com
626 7874442

From: use-livecode <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com> on behalf of Heather Laine via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Date: Monday, July 11, 2022 at 1:29 AM
To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Cc: Heather Laine <heather at livecode.com>
Subject: Re: MegaBundle whatnot
Kaveh and Co,

We have actually simplified the licensing in the move to Single Edition, which is what is causing the confusion here. There is no such thing as Indy or Business anymore. It's all just LiveCode. You pick the platforms you want and off you go...

However the new Enhancements Bundle widgets post-date Indy/Business and hence do not recognise it. The solution being simply to run the latest version. 9.6.8 or 10 dp 4 will be just fine.

Best Regards,

Heather

Heather Laine
Customer Services Manager
LiveCode Ltd
www.livecode.com<http://www.livecode.com>



> On 9 Jul 2022, at 12:41, Kaveh via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> Why does LiveCode make the licenses so complicated? I try to understand
> from time to time so I can repurchase, then give up...
>
> On Sat, 9 Jul 2022 at 08:41, Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> Mark,
>> What I forgot.
>>
>> I assume you have a current subscription, right?
>> So why do you not try a newer LC release; one of the new editions without
>> Indy and business in the name? Anything higher than 9.63 should do.
>>
>> Regards
>> Matthias
>>
>> Von meinem iPhone gesendet
>>
>>> Am 08.07.2022 um 21:01 schrieb matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de:
>>>
>>> Mark,
>>>
>>> that seems to be a problem with Indy and Business licenses. I can
>> reproduce it here with an Indy license. Seems, the Enh.Pack needs to be
>> modified a little bit.;)
>>>
>>> As you are on digest mode and i do not know when you read this, I've
>> filed a bug already to speed it up a little bit.
>>>
>>> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23799
>>>
>>> Maybe you want to add yourself to the CC list.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Matthias
>>>
>>>
>>>> Am 08.07.2022 um 19:21 schrieb Mark Clark via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>>>
>>>> I went ahead and purchased the megabundle, mostly for the LC
>> Enhancement piece. Got that download and clicked the install widgets and
>> the widgets all show “unlicensed.” Hmm, what?
>>>>
>>>> Tried to re-license and for some reason I only see my business license
>> as an option (also have the old commercial license whatever that maps to
>> now). So, np figure it out later, selected business license and LC starts
>> but the enhancements still show unlicensed. Is there something manual I’m
>> missing?
>>>>
>>>> TIA,
>>>> Mark (on digest mode)
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> use-livecode mailing list
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>> subscription preferences:
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>>>
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>
>
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From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Tue Jul 12 11:45:14 2022
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2022 17:45:14 +0200
Subject: MegaBundle whatnot
In-Reply-To: <BY3PR01MB6739E442133E4D618ACC5425B7869@BY3PR01MB6739.prod.exchangelabs.com>
References: <F108D036-0B45-4FB5-B31F-F595DF7B6174@m-r-d.de>
 <96C795BD-3743-4913-AEDF-2D5D1C17E723@m-r-d.de>
 <CAJ2R9piz-OwNStU0p7ORqPVerv7z8Pe52GKMfUrbSG_E=TVKTQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <4A342ED1-8FEC-4577-8B0C-C8D7360A7258@livecode.com>
 <BY3PR01MB6739E442133E4D618ACC5425B7869@BY3PR01MB6739.prod.exchangelabs.com>
Message-ID: <555F38B1-8184-4F62-B1D7-296B4262AF89@m-r-d.de>

Livecode Ltd. sent out an email last year to all license holders with information how this change would affect their license.
If i recall it correctly then subscriptions with the "old" price model will keep this price also for renewings as long as the subscription does not completely expire or is changed. 
I would suggest to contact support at livecode.com <mailto:support at livecode.com> to get exact information about this.

Regards,
Matthias


> Am 12.07.2022 um 17:09 schrieb chipsm themartinz.com <http://themartinz.com/> via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>>:
> 
> What effect does this do to my account?
> I have a lifetime guaranteed price account and I don’t know what happens to my account.


From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Tue Jul 12 16:15:17 2022
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2022 21:15:17 +0100
Subject: What is the best way to trigger an action at a certain time?
In-Reply-To: <B16FB248-8D49-4A9B-A682-128B7EA90E65@iotecdigital.com>
References: <bedaf0fe-3faf-0122-96e4-6ab5c0de9419@tkf.att.ne.jp>
 <5f54fb78-1b04-60a3-4797-52034fd89ba9@cogapp.com>
 <B16FB248-8D49-4A9B-A682-128B7EA90E65@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <e07fdee0-62b7-54df-e974-d3f6eda755d7@cogapp.com>

I think I may not have been very clear.

This isn't LiveCode doing anything special; just a standalone LiveCode app 
that either does something immediately on launch (and then quits), or inspects 
the command line parameters to decide what to do (and then quits).

I usually create a .bat file (on Windows) or .sh file (on Mac/Linux) to run 
the LC app with the appropriate parameters.

On Windows you run the "Task Scheduler" and create a task to run the .bat 
file, with whatever schedules you like. On Mac/Linux you edit the 'crontab' 
file adding one or more lines with the interesting syntax to execute the .sh file.

Your app can read the command line parameters (on Mac/Linux or Windows) by 
inspecting the special global variables $0, $1 etc.

The only gotcha is that on Mac, you think your app is at e.g.
  /Users/yourname/Myapp

  - but actually on Mac what appears to be an application "Myapp" is a bundle 
(i.e. a folder with a special flag so the Finder pretends it's not), and the 
path to the executable app is e.g.
  /Users/yourname/Myapp.app/Contents/MacOS/Myapp

On Linux and Windows, it's where you think it is!

Ben

On 12/07/2022 15:56, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
> It seems to me that if you have an open socket to listen for commands, you could have the chron or windows scheduler send those commands to your LC app.
> 
> Ben, some syntax would be helpful.
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Jul 12, 2022, at 07:48 , Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Tim,
>>
>> On 11/07/2022 12:35, Tim Selander via use-livecode wrote:
>>> I want to have an LC app running on a computer doing nothing but watching the time. At predetermined times, I then want it to run a command. A call to an API on a website.
>>
>> My $0.02, FWIW: it this is really all your app is doing, and the times are every fee hours or days, rather than every few seconds, I would use the computer's built in scheduler to invoke your app, rather than have it running continuously and watching the time.
>>
>> I have a number of things like this - LC apps which are launched by schedule. On Windows, the Windows scheduler (I generally use a batch script which launches the app in this case); on Mac or Linux, use cron. I find this more reliable, easier to update etc.
>>
>> Ben
> 
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Jul 12 17:10:50 2022
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2022 16:10:50 -0500
Subject: macOS Ventura (13.x.x)...
In-Reply-To: <56EA2603-420C-4C4B-BF81-D842EF754B7E@iotecdigital.com>
References: <d5e67423-cdb5-00c6-7b53-1811e161e16f@researchware.com>
 <C049455B-82E1-4B0D-8CF8-BA856B380C2B@gmail.com>
 <89711cd0-dfea-6c65-1ccb-fb3bedae2896@hyperactivesw.com>
 <CA+mv_tWFsbE12D4yg0p85ceR6AsVM=94jR=YkKft5myx4CTX8g@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAL3fwti_AFp0pQvEOKf_yJmEzkxWuMbkeHxeG7nnkO_yc6oYTg@mail.gmail.com>
 <7CA94173-546D-410C-8CE1-76EADEC8F149@iotecdigital.com>
 <c858248a-01c4-5fb0-dd24-6226c6acd028@gmail.com>
 <56EA2603-420C-4C4B-BF81-D842EF754B7E@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <181f4401790.276f.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>

This has little to do with LC and less to do with Ventura, but see your email.

--
Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
On July 12, 2022 9:55:22 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Ah. I stand corrected.
>
> Of course, nothing in nature is linear.
>
> And I still need to figure out how a stomache would have done us any good 
> withour a circulatory system to get the food to the cells, or lungs to get 
> oxygen to everything for that matter. It seems if you think about it that 
> no vital organ would have provided any advantage without all the other 
> organs being fully developed. Begs some questions, eh?
>
> Bob S
>
>
>> On Jul 12, 2022, at 03:28 , Richmond via use-livecode 
>> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> That is a complete misunderstanding of the elevator theory of evolution: 
>> this was a theory propagated by some
>> of the people who misread Darwin (I don't mean Hobbesian individualists 
>> like Huxley and Dawkins) to say that
>> evolution is a linear and ever-upwards process.
>
>
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Jul 12 17:56:50 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2022 21:56:50 +0000
Subject: What is the best way to trigger an action at a certain time?
In-Reply-To: <e07fdee0-62b7-54df-e974-d3f6eda755d7@cogapp.com>
References: <bedaf0fe-3faf-0122-96e4-6ab5c0de9419@tkf.att.ne.jp>
 <5f54fb78-1b04-60a3-4797-52034fd89ba9@cogapp.com>
 <B16FB248-8D49-4A9B-A682-128B7EA90E65@iotecdigital.com>
 <e07fdee0-62b7-54df-e974-d3f6eda755d7@cogapp.com>
Message-ID: <12013DF1-5611-4770-B8D3-C9D3A7BEC9C6@iotecdigital.com>

Hmmm. Ok, but it seems having the LC app running invisibly all the time, listening for a command, something the cron service could do through the terminal easily enough, you could make it much more efficient. Just methods and madness I suppose. 

Bob S


> On Jul 12, 2022, at 13:15 , Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I think I may not have been very clear.
> 
> This isn't LiveCode doing anything special; just a standalone LiveCode app that either does something immediately on launch (and then quits), or inspects the command line parameters to decide what to do (and then quits).



From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Wed Jul 13 05:20:39 2022
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2022 10:20:39 +0100
Subject: What is the best way to trigger an action at a certain time?
In-Reply-To: <12013DF1-5611-4770-B8D3-C9D3A7BEC9C6@iotecdigital.com>
References: <bedaf0fe-3faf-0122-96e4-6ab5c0de9419@tkf.att.ne.jp>
 <5f54fb78-1b04-60a3-4797-52034fd89ba9@cogapp.com>
 <B16FB248-8D49-4A9B-A682-128B7EA90E65@iotecdigital.com>
 <e07fdee0-62b7-54df-e974-d3f6eda755d7@cogapp.com>
 <12013DF1-5611-4770-B8D3-C9D3A7BEC9C6@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <9380d08d-53b7-15f9-1399-63828a13d928@cogapp.com>

Whatever works for your situation! At least one of my jobs, which runs a few 
times a week (pulling data from an internal system, generating and emailing a 
PDF report) has to launch fresh each time because of a bug in the graph widget 
which displays wrong if the script runs twice!

There are others where the LC qpp is part of a dance in which other systems 
run before and after, so a batch script invoking each in turn is the thing 
that's scheduled.

But of course there are contexts in which the best solution is an LC app 
waiting for a time or a command at which to leap into action.

On 12/07/2022 22:56, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
> Hmmm. Ok, but it seems having the LC app running invisibly all the time, listening for a command, something the cron service could do through the terminal easily enough, you could make it much more efficient. Just methods and madness I suppose.
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Jul 12, 2022, at 13:15 , Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> I think I may not have been very clear.
>>
>> This isn't LiveCode doing anything special; just a standalone LiveCode app that either does something immediately on launch (and then quits), or inspects the command line parameters to decide what to do (and then quits).
> 
> 
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From ms1 at soas.ac.uk  Wed Jul 13 12:18:24 2022
From: ms1 at soas.ac.uk (Muaath Salih)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2022 17:18:24 +0100
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <CAN8cKhRpzfusQBTwHnFQXqz80KBydCinewUpd65rVJ-V0Tbngw@mail.gmail.com>



From sean at pidigital.co.uk  Wed Jul 13 12:26:16 2022
From: sean at pidigital.co.uk (Pi Digital)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2022 17:26:16 +0100
Subject: No subject
In-Reply-To: <CAN8cKhRpzfusQBTwHnFQXqz80KBydCinewUpd65rVJ-V0Tbngw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAN8cKhRpzfusQBTwHnFQXqz80KBydCinewUpd65rVJ-V0Tbngw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <77502D3D-AD49-49A0-A41B-5520C060CE9F@pidigital.co.uk>

I agree. There is also no content :)

Let us know if there is anything else you would like help with, Muaath. 

Sean


> On 13 Jul 2022, at 17:18, Muaath Salih via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Jul 13 17:50:19 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2022 21:50:19 +0000
Subject: remoteDebugger error
Message-ID: <E861B6DC-DAA6-4714-9E2F-1E8412F1841A@iotecdigital.com>

Whenever I open my Forms Generator project, I get a dialog pop up saying an error occured in the stack com.livecode.library.remotedebugger, and that there is no more information because the stack is password protected. It does not seem to affect to workings of my project though. 

Other stacks do not seem to induce this dialog. How can I tell what is causing it? 

Bob S



From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Wed Jul 13 18:44:11 2022
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2022 00:44:11 +0200
Subject: remoteDebugger error
In-Reply-To: <E861B6DC-DAA6-4714-9E2F-1E8412F1841A@iotecdigital.com>
References: <E861B6DC-DAA6-4714-9E2F-1E8412F1841A@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <C884733A-4E17-430B-995E-8EC0583B3C5A@m-r-d.de>

Just a shot in the dark, but the RemoteDebugger is part of the Pro Features Pack. Does your license include that pack?

Regards,

Matthias


> Am 13.07.2022 um 23:50 schrieb Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Whenever I open my Forms Generator project, I get a dialog pop up saying an error occured in the stack com.livecode.library.remotedebugger, and that there is no more information because the stack is password protected. It does not seem to affect to workings of my project though. 
> 
> Other stacks do not seem to induce this dialog. How can I tell what is causing it? 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Jul 13 19:02:11 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2022 23:02:11 +0000
Subject: remoteDebugger error
In-Reply-To: <C884733A-4E17-430B-995E-8EC0583B3C5A@m-r-d.de>
References: <E861B6DC-DAA6-4714-9E2F-1E8412F1841A@iotecdigital.com>
 <C884733A-4E17-430B-995E-8EC0583B3C5A@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <2EBB7F19-0E08-4992-AD87-04E1E710EAEA@iotecdigital.com>

Yup. Don't we all have to be on that license if we are running 9.6.8? But I found the problem, just not how to prevent remoteDebugger from throwing unknown errors, or how to figure out what the error is. I basically had to step through my code until I found the culprit. 

Thanks though. I am going through the code which sets up sqlYoga so that I can have multiple database objects and connections instead of just using the defaults. 

Bob S


> On Jul 13, 2022, at 15:44 , matthias rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Just a shot in the dark, but the RemoteDebugger is part of the Pro Features Pack. Does your license include that pack?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Matthias



From monte.goulding at livecode.com  Wed Jul 13 19:07:22 2022
From: monte.goulding at livecode.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2022 09:07:22 +1000
Subject: remoteDebugger error
In-Reply-To: <2EBB7F19-0E08-4992-AD87-04E1E710EAEA@iotecdigital.com>
References: <E861B6DC-DAA6-4714-9E2F-1E8412F1841A@iotecdigital.com>
 <C884733A-4E17-430B-995E-8EC0583B3C5A@m-r-d.de>
 <2EBB7F19-0E08-4992-AD87-04E1E710EAEA@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <4B2FB61F-CDD8-4B22-88B8-EAEA9F2F795E@livecode.com>

Hi Bob

Could you create a bug report about this? The remote debugger obviously shouldn’t be throwing bugs itself. It should be telling the IDE about errors and getting it to show the debugger.

Cheers

Monte

> On 14 Jul 2022, at 9:02 am, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Yup. Don't we all have to be on that license if we are running 9.6.8? But I found the problem, just not how to prevent remoteDebugger from throwing unknown errors, or how to figure out what the error is. I basically had to step through my code until I found the culprit. 
> 
> Thanks though. I am going through the code which sets up sqlYoga so that I can have multiple database objects and connections instead of just using the defaults. 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Jul 13, 2022, at 15:44 , matthias rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Just a shot in the dark, but the RemoteDebugger is part of the Pro Features Pack. Does your license include that pack?
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Matthias
> 
> 
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From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Wed Jul 13 19:20:41 2022
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2022 01:20:41 +0200
Subject: remoteDebugger error
In-Reply-To: <2EBB7F19-0E08-4992-AD87-04E1E710EAEA@iotecdigital.com>
References: <E861B6DC-DAA6-4714-9E2F-1E8412F1841A@iotecdigital.com>
 <C884733A-4E17-430B-995E-8EC0583B3C5A@m-r-d.de>
 <2EBB7F19-0E08-4992-AD87-04E1E710EAEA@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <B6903752-D513-4C9B-9E63-97BAB496D772@m-r-d.de>


> Am 14.07.2022 um 01:02 schrieb Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Yup. Don't we all have to be on that license if we are running 9.6.8?
Not that i am aware of.
If you have the Addon Pro Pack Features in your license   "the editiontype" returns professional, if you don't  then "commercial" is returned.

https://livecode.com/pro-features/



> But I found the problem, just not how to prevent remoteDebugger from throwing unknown errors, or how to figure out what the error is. I basically had to step through my code until I found the culprit. 
> 
> Thanks though. I am going through the code which sets up sqlYoga so that I can have multiple database objects and connections instead of just using the defaults. 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Jul 13, 2022, at 15:44 , matthias rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Just a shot in the dark, but the RemoteDebugger is part of the Pro Features Pack. Does your license include that pack?
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Matthias
> 
> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Jul 13 20:14:13 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2022 00:14:13 +0000
Subject: remoteDebugger error
In-Reply-To: <B6903752-D513-4C9B-9E63-97BAB496D772@m-r-d.de>
References: <E861B6DC-DAA6-4714-9E2F-1E8412F1841A@iotecdigital.com>
 <C884733A-4E17-430B-995E-8EC0583B3C5A@m-r-d.de>
 <2EBB7F19-0E08-4992-AD87-04E1E710EAEA@iotecdigital.com>
 <B6903752-D513-4C9B-9E63-97BAB496D772@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <78464170-F02D-4C67-AC00-328F795DC316@iotecdigital.com>

Returns "Professional"

Bob S


> On Jul 13, 2022, at 16:20 , matthias rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> Am 14.07.2022 um 01:02 schrieb Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>> 
>> Yup. Don't we all have to be on that license if we are running 9.6.8?
> Not that i am aware of.
> If you have the Addon Pro Pack Features in your license   "the editiontype" returns professional, if you don't  then "commercial" is returned.



From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Jul 13 20:15:01 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2022 00:15:01 +0000
Subject: remoteDebugger error
In-Reply-To: <4B2FB61F-CDD8-4B22-88B8-EAEA9F2F795E@livecode.com>
References: <E861B6DC-DAA6-4714-9E2F-1E8412F1841A@iotecdigital.com>
 <C884733A-4E17-430B-995E-8EC0583B3C5A@m-r-d.de>
 <2EBB7F19-0E08-4992-AD87-04E1E710EAEA@iotecdigital.com>
 <4B2FB61F-CDD8-4B22-88B8-EAEA9F2F795E@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <AC93E1BB-EDE6-4B0F-9370-B74C54FDEBA6@iotecdigital.com>

Monte, I'll do that in the morning. They are kicking me out of the building. :-|

Bob S


> On Jul 13, 2022, at 16:07 , Monte Goulding via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Bob
> 
> Could you create a bug report about this? The remote debugger obviously shouldn’t be throwing bugs itself. It should be telling the IDE about errors and getting it to show the debugger.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Monte
> 


From selander at tkf.att.ne.jp  Wed Jul 13 20:16:58 2022
From: selander at tkf.att.ne.jp (Tim Selander)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2022 09:16:58 +0900
Subject: What is the best way to trigger an action at a certain time?
In-Reply-To: <9380d08d-53b7-15f9-1399-63828a13d928@cogapp.com>
References: <bedaf0fe-3faf-0122-96e4-6ab5c0de9419@tkf.att.ne.jp>
 <5f54fb78-1b04-60a3-4797-52034fd89ba9@cogapp.com>
 <B16FB248-8D49-4A9B-A682-128B7EA90E65@iotecdigital.com>
 <e07fdee0-62b7-54df-e974-d3f6eda755d7@cogapp.com>
 <12013DF1-5611-4770-B8D3-C9D3A7BEC9C6@iotecdigital.com>
 <9380d08d-53b7-15f9-1399-63828a13d928@cogapp.com>
Message-ID: <c5ceedea-1adc-6275-0fbb-41aa1fcd108a@tkf.att.ne.jp>

Gentlemen,

The trigger will be 'pulled' once or twice a day only -- so these 
external to LC options are also viable. Hadn't entered my head at 
all!

Will be playing around with all these ideas and learn something! 
Basically use Macs, but have couple unused Windows laptops -- 
sounds like Task Scheduler and .bat files might be easier to deal 
with.

Thanks.

Tim

On 2022.07.13 18:20, Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode wrote:
> Whatever works for your situation! At least one of my jobs, which 
> runs a few times a week (pulling data from an internal system, 
> generating and emailing a PDF report) has to launch fresh each 
> time because of a bug in the graph widget which displays wrong if 
> the script runs twice!
> 
> There are others where the LC qpp is part of a dance in which 
> other systems run before and after, so a batch script invoking 
> each in turn is the thing that's scheduled.
> 
> But of course there are contexts in which the best solution is an 
> LC app waiting for a time or a command at which to leap into action.
> 
> On 12/07/2022 22:56, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
>> Hmmm. Ok, but it seems having the LC app running invisibly all 
>> the time, listening for a command, something the cron service 
>> could do through the terminal easily enough, you could make it 
>> much more efficient. Just methods and madness I suppose.
>>
>> Bob S
>>
>>
>>> On Jul 12, 2022, at 13:15 , Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode 
>>> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I think I may not have been very clear.
>>>
>>> This isn't LiveCode doing anything special; just a standalone 
>>> LiveCode app that either does something immediately on launch 
>>> (and then quits), or inspects the command line parameters to 
>>> decide what to do (and then quits).
>>
>>
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From merakosp at gmail.com  Thu Jul 14 01:03:23 2022
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis m)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2022 08:03:23 +0300
Subject: remoteDebugger error
In-Reply-To: <AC93E1BB-EDE6-4B0F-9370-B74C54FDEBA6@iotecdigital.com>
References: <E861B6DC-DAA6-4714-9E2F-1E8412F1841A@iotecdigital.com>
 <C884733A-4E17-430B-995E-8EC0583B3C5A@m-r-d.de>
 <2EBB7F19-0E08-4992-AD87-04E1E710EAEA@iotecdigital.com>
 <4B2FB61F-CDD8-4B22-88B8-EAEA9F2F795E@livecode.com>
 <AC93E1BB-EDE6-4B0F-9370-B74C54FDEBA6@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq-V=ceSTKShMoJ75MyOmCPHi8gmn-fKewSPdBz6S5Yc+w@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all,

@Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com>
Are there any modal windows involved in the recipe?

I think it is this bug:

https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23758

Cheers,
Panos
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On Thu, 14 Jul 2022 at 03:15, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Monte, I'll do that in the morning. They are kicking me out of the
> building. :-|
>
> Bob S
>
>
> > On Jul 13, 2022, at 16:07 , Monte Goulding via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Bob
> >
> > Could you create a bug report about this? The remote debugger obviously
> shouldn’t be throwing bugs itself. It should be telling the IDE about
> errors and getting it to show the debugger.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Monte
> >
>
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From paul at researchware.com  Thu Jul 14 15:50:57 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2022 15:50:57 -0400
Subject: Livecode Builder developer wanted
Message-ID: <cdf489f1-eb80-798f-8104-ff923fa71130@researchware.com>

I am looking to hire someone to take what Trevor DeVore started 3 years 
ago, for the Livecode conference, of making an LCB wrapper for 
pocketsphinx (https://github.com/trevordevore/lc-pocketsphinx) for macOS 
and extend it to Windows including builds of the pocketsphinx libraries 
for macOS and Windows. Essentially, advance it a bit further so it can 
just be plugged into Livecode and used as a library in the IDE and 
standalones.

Anyone experienced in making LCB libraries for macOS and Windows interested?

If so, please email me off-list and send me a rate and/or estimate.

P.S. I contacted Trevor, but he is tied up with other work and unavailable.

Paul Dupuis
Researchware


From klaus at major-k.de  Fri Jul 15 07:14:50 2022
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2022 13:14:50 +0200
Subject: iPhoneSafeAreaInsets() and Android
Message-ID: <B5C48FAE-3E91-45A6-8156-81B19F4A8395@major-k.de>

Hi friends,

quick question, cannot test it myself in the moment.

Will -> iPhoneSafeAreaInsets() 
a. work or 
b. throw an error when being used on Android?

If a. I presume it will return "the screenrect" without any "notches".
Does it?

If b. then I will to check "if the platform = "iphone"..."

Thanks for any quick answer!


Best

Klaus
--
Klaus Major
https://www.major-k.de
https://www.major-k.de/bass
klaus at major-k.de



From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Fri Jul 15 10:22:28 2022
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2022 15:22:28 +0100
Subject: Complete Advanced Networking Layer?
Message-ID: <c3b3a443-bc74-5cd3-c401-a6d98fac83d4@cogapp.com>


Is there reference documentation anywhere for the "Complete Advanced 
Networking Layer" which is included in the "Pro Features Pack"?

TIA,

Ben


From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net  Fri Jul 15 10:44:48 2022
From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2022 10:44:48 -0400
Subject: Complete Advanced Networking Layer?
In-Reply-To: <c3b3a443-bc74-5cd3-c401-a6d98fac83d4@cogapp.com>
References: <c3b3a443-bc74-5cd3-c401-a6d98fac83d4@cogapp.com>
Message-ID: <001601d89859$721c53c0$5654fb40$@net>

Ben,
I believe that's referring to tsNet. All tsNet's advanced
functionality(async and such) is in the dictionary. Works great! In mobile I
start 4 or 5 simultaneous downloads when the app is first opened.

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdimola at evergreeninfo.net

-----Original Message-----
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Of Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2022 10:22 AM
To: Use LiveCode
Cc: Ben Rubinstein
Subject: Complete Advanced Networking Layer?


Is there reference documentation anywhere for the "Complete Advanced
Networking Layer" which is included in the "Pro Features Pack"?

TIA,

Ben

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From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Fri Jul 15 11:40:34 2022
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2022 17:40:34 +0200
Subject: Complete Advanced Networking Layer?
In-Reply-To: <c3b3a443-bc74-5cd3-c401-a6d98fac83d4@cogapp.com>
References: <c3b3a443-bc74-5cd3-c401-a6d98fac83d4@cogapp.com>
Message-ID: <08876529-BFB8-479C-96B9-6E61CAC5DB33@m-r-d.de>

According to this overview there     https://livecode.com/pro-features/

the following tsNet features are in included in the Pro Features

- Non-blocking, asynchronous operations on SFTP, SMTP, SMTPS and SMTP/TLS
- SFTP authentication via public key authentication giving the best possible security
- SMTP(S/TLS) / SFTP downloads and uploads can either be via file or via variable – you are not limited by the memory available to your variable
- Ability to generate public / private key pairs suitable for use with SFTP – no need for an external application to create these
- Ability to send additional raw commands along with FTP and SFTP transfers to be executed before or after the transfer completes

> Am 15.07.2022 um 16:22 schrieb Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> 
> Is there reference documentation anywhere for the "Complete Advanced Networking Layer" which is included in the "Pro Features Pack"?
> 
> TIA,
> 
> Ben
> 
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From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Fri Jul 15 12:25:14 2022
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2022 17:25:14 +0100
Subject: Complete Advanced Networking Layer?
In-Reply-To: <08876529-BFB8-479C-96B9-6E61CAC5DB33@m-r-d.de>
References: <c3b3a443-bc74-5cd3-c401-a6d98fac83d4@cogapp.com>
 <08876529-BFB8-479C-96B9-6E61CAC5DB33@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <8915b5fa-a023-03c2-c7f3-94ead78986f6@cogapp.com>

Ah, thanks both.

I see now there's a "[PRO]" badge on some tsNet functions in the Dictionary.

Thanks very much,

Ben

On 15/07/2022 16:40, matthias rebbe via use-livecode wrote:
> According to this overview there     https://livecode.com/pro-features/
> 
> the following tsNet features are in included in the Pro Features
> 
> - Non-blocking, asynchronous operations on SFTP, SMTP, SMTPS and SMTP/TLS
> - SFTP authentication via public key authentication giving the best possible security
> - SMTP(S/TLS) / SFTP downloads and uploads can either be via file or via variable  you are not limited by the memory available to your variable
> - Ability to generate public / private key pairs suitable for use with SFTP  no need for an external application to create these
> - Ability to send additional raw commands along with FTP and SFTP transfers to be executed before or after the transfer completes
> 
>> Am 15.07.2022 um 16:22 schrieb Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>
>>
>> Is there reference documentation anywhere for the "Complete Advanced Networking Layer" which is included in the "Pro Features Pack"?
>>
>> TIA,
>>
>> Ben
>>
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From dougr at telus.net  Fri Jul 15 12:52:49 2022
From: dougr at telus.net (Douglas A. Ruisaard)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2022 09:52:49 -0700
Subject: license info
Message-ID: <016d01d8986b$51125c30$f3371490$@telus.net>

Largely because I'm not crystal clear as to how to frame the following
request for information, I'd VERY MUCH appreciate if the LIVECODE mothership
could point me in the right direction.

 

Currently I am using LIVECODE Business Edition v 9.6.1 (build 15522) on a
Windows 10 PC (not a server) with the latest updates installed.

 

The recent discussion regarding : ".the following tsNet features are in
included in the Pro Features ." from matthias rebbe posting from July 15
suggests that I could greatly simplify a significant application I developed
and manage for a major Health Care Laboratory here in Canada. The features
enumerated might be able to eliminate a very expensive 3rd party SFTP server
I currently employ for communicating and transferring very sensitive medical
information to external clinics and hospitals (over 5,000 of them).

 

I would sincerely appreciate if someone could give me even a ballpark dollar
figure I'd have to pay in order to upgrade my current license (see above) to
whatever is necessary to incorporate the "tsNet Pro" features Matthias
described.  I only need the one development license for Windows since I
distribute the app from the STANDALONE feature of LIVECODE.

 

Hopefully that's enough information to frame my request so I can pass a
fairly accurate cost estimate to the end-user.

 

Sincerely

Doug Ruisaard


From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Fri Jul 15 14:11:19 2022
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2022 20:11:19 +0200
Subject: license info
In-Reply-To: <016d01d8986b$51125c30$f3371490$@telus.net>
References: <016d01d8986b$51125c30$f3371490$@telus.net>
Message-ID: <42426102-8301-43F9-86F7-7B3F6AC81109@m-r-d.de>

Douglas,

If you have a business license, then you have access to the "Advanced Network Layer". LC with Pro Features is the same as the previous Business license.

And if you have a current subscription or a lifetime license with lifetime updates, then why don't you download the latest release of LC, which is 9.6.8 btw.?

Regards,
Matthias



> Am 15.07.2022 um 18:52 schrieb Douglas A. Ruisaard via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Largely because I'm not crystal clear as to how to frame the following
> request for information, I'd VERY MUCH appreciate if the LIVECODE mothership
> could point me in the right direction.
> 
> 
> 
> Currently I am using LIVECODE Business Edition v 9.6.1 (build 15522) on a
> Windows 10 PC (not a server) with the latest updates installed.
> 
> 
> 
> The recent discussion regarding : ".the following tsNet features are in
> included in the Pro Features ." from matthias rebbe posting from July 15
> suggests that I could greatly simplify a significant application I developed
> and manage for a major Health Care Laboratory here in Canada. The features
> enumerated might be able to eliminate a very expensive 3rd party SFTP server
> I currently employ for communicating and transferring very sensitive medical
> information to external clinics and hospitals (over 5,000 of them).
> 
> 
> 
> I would sincerely appreciate if someone could give me even a ballpark dollar
> figure I'd have to pay in order to upgrade my current license (see above) to
> whatever is necessary to incorporate the "tsNet Pro" features Matthias
> described.  I only need the one development license for Windows since I
> distribute the app from the STANDALONE feature of LIVECODE.
> 
> 
> 
> Hopefully that's enough information to frame my request so I can pass a
> fairly accurate cost estimate to the end-user.
> 
> 
> 
> Sincerely
> 
> Doug Ruisaard
> 
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From dougr at telus.net  Sat Jul 16 10:57:54 2022
From: dougr at telus.net (Douglas A. Ruisaard)
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2022 07:57:54 -0700
Subject: license info
In-Reply-To: <42426102-8301-43F9-86F7-7B3F6AC81109@m-r-d.de>
References: <016d01d8986b$51125c30$f3371490$@telus.net>
 <42426102-8301-43F9-86F7-7B3F6AC81109@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <03d701d89924$6dace770$4906b650$@telus.net>

Thanks very much for the advice.  I have, as of this message, installed
v9.6.8.  What steps, if any, do I need to take to "activate" the "Advanced
Network Layer"?

Doug

-----Original Message-----
From: use-livecode <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com> On Behalf Of
matthias rebbe via use-livecode
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2022 11:11 AM
To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Cc: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de
Subject: Re: license info

Douglas,

If you have a business license, then you have access to the "Advanced
Network Layer". LC with Pro Features is the same as the previous Business
license.

And if you have a current subscription or a lifetime license with lifetime
updates, then why don't you download the latest release of LC, which is
9.6.8 btw.?

Regards,
Matthias



> Am 15.07.2022 um 18:52 schrieb Douglas A. Ruisaard via use-livecode
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Largely because I'm not crystal clear as to how to frame the following 
> request for information, I'd VERY MUCH appreciate if the LIVECODE 
> mothership could point me in the right direction.
> 
> 
> 
> Currently I am using LIVECODE Business Edition v 9.6.1 (build 15522) 
> on a Windows 10 PC (not a server) with the latest updates installed.
> 
> 
> 
> The recent discussion regarding : ".the following tsNet features are 
> in included in the Pro Features ." from matthias rebbe posting from 
> July 15 suggests that I could greatly simplify a significant 
> application I developed and manage for a major Health Care Laboratory 
> here in Canada. The features enumerated might be able to eliminate a 
> very expensive 3rd party SFTP server I currently employ for 
> communicating and transferring very sensitive medical information to
external clinics and hospitals (over 5,000 of them).
> 
> 
> 
> I would sincerely appreciate if someone could give me even a ballpark 
> dollar figure I'd have to pay in order to upgrade my current license 
> (see above) to whatever is necessary to incorporate the "tsNet Pro" 
> features Matthias described.  I only need the one development license 
> for Windows since I distribute the app from the STANDALONE feature of
LIVECODE.
> 
> 
> 
> Hopefully that's enough information to frame my request so I can pass 
> a fairly accurate cost estimate to the end-user.
> 
> 
> 
> Sincerely
> 
> Doug Ruisaard
> 
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From jbv at souslelogo.com  Sun Jul 17 05:16:25 2022
From: jbv at souslelogo.com (jbv at souslelogo.com)
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2022 05:16:25 -0400
Subject: deleting folders on server with revDeleteFolder
Message-ID: <bf192c2f6310d880003950f0dc732c11@souslelogo.com>

Hi list,

On my LC Hosting account, I have a php script that creates directories :
    mkdir($dirname, 0755);
Each directory is used to temporarily store text & image files.

Then I have a LC script that is supposed to delete those directories
under certain conditions. No problem for deleting files inside each
directory, but 2 sub-directories are systematically created, named
"." and ".." and those can't be deleted, either by script of via ftp.
Therefore, there's no way to delete the directories created via php.

Last but not least, the doc for LC 9.6.8 says that "revDeleteFolder"
is the command to use to remove a folder and all its contents and that
it is available on both desktop and server platforms, but on my LC
hosting account I get : Handler: can't find handler (revDeleteFolder)

Any idea how to solve this problem ?
Thank you in advance.
jbv


From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Sun Jul 17 07:13:38 2022
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe)
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2022 13:13:38 +0200
Subject: deleting folders on server with revDeleteFolder
In-Reply-To: <bf192c2f6310d880003950f0dc732c11@souslelogo.com>
References: <bf192c2f6310d880003950f0dc732c11@souslelogo.com>
Message-ID: <BC0B30C7-16F4-4FE7-AE58-1864B4FDF4FC@m-r-d.de>

I’m not at my desk at the moment, so I cannot give detailed information.  
But what I know is, that this function/command is included in the rev common library and that library is not included by default in LC Server. 

You need to copy that library from your LC ide Installation path to your LC Server installation path first. Then you have to load that library in your script using “start using stack <Path to  the library>


Regards
Matthias
Von meinem iPhone gesendet

> Am 17.07.2022 um 11:18 schrieb jbv via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Hi list,
> 
> On my LC Hosting account, I have a php script that creates directories :
>   mkdir($dirname, 0755);
> Each directory is used to temporarily store text & image files.
> 
> Then I have a LC script that is supposed to delete those directories
> under certain conditions. No problem for deleting files inside each
> directory, but 2 sub-directories are systematically created, named
> "." and ".." and those can't be deleted, either by script of via ftp.
> Therefore, there's no way to delete the directories created via php.
> 
> Last but not least, the doc for LC 9.6.8 says that "revDeleteFolder"
> is the command to use to remove a folder and all its contents and that
> it is available on both desktop and server platforms, but on my LC
> hosting account I get : Handler: can't find handler (revDeleteFolder)
> 
> Any idea how to solve this problem ?
> Thank you in advance.
> jbv
> 
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From alex at tweedly.net  Sun Jul 17 08:20:52 2022
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2022 13:20:52 +0100
Subject: deleting folders on server with revDeleteFolder
In-Reply-To: <bf192c2f6310d880003950f0dc732c11@souslelogo.com>
References: <bf192c2f6310d880003950f0dc732c11@souslelogo.com>
Message-ID: <7bc4657f-68c2-440c-e89a-c787d0fed24b@tweedly.net>

Those folders are

"." - the folder itself

".." - the parent of the folder itself.

As such, neither can be deleted directly, nor do they need to be in 
order to delete the folder itself. The folder itself should be deleted 
when the current folder is set to somewhere else.

So - there isn't really a problem, just don't try to delete them by 
those names.


Alex.


On 17/07/2022 10:16, jbv via use-livecode wrote:
> Hi list,
>
> On my LC Hosting account, I have a php script that creates directories :
>    mkdir($dirname, 0755);
> Each directory is used to temporarily store text & image files.
>
> Then I have a LC script that is supposed to delete those directories
> under certain conditions. No problem for deleting files inside each
> directory, but 2 sub-directories are systematically created, named
> "." and ".." and those can't be deleted, either by script of via ftp.
> Therefore, there's no way to delete the directories created via php.
>
> Last but not least, the doc for LC 9.6.8 says that "revDeleteFolder"
> is the command to use to remove a folder and all its contents and that
> it is available on both desktop and server platforms, but on my LC
> hosting account I get : Handler: can't find handler (revDeleteFolder)
>
> Any idea how to solve this problem ?
> Thank you in advance.
> jbv
>
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From kee.nethery at elloco.com  Sun Jul 17 12:25:52 2022
From: kee.nethery at elloco.com (Kee Nethery)
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2022 09:25:52 -0700
Subject: deleting folders on server with revDeleteFolder
In-Reply-To: <7bc4657f-68c2-440c-e89a-c787d0fed24b@tweedly.net>
References: <7bc4657f-68c2-440c-e89a-c787d0fed24b@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <8D2CC775-175C-4964-B50B-12A86F8FA858@elloco.com>

Perhaps try using something other than a period as the beginning folder name character? Could be that’s why it’s not working. Just a thought, could be totally wrong.

Kee Nethery

> On Jul 17, 2022, at 5:21 AM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Those folders are
> 
> "." - the folder itself
> 
> ".." - the parent of the folder itself.
> 
> As such, neither can be deleted directly, nor do they need to be in order to delete the folder itself. The folder itself should be deleted when the current folder is set to somewhere else.
> 
> So - there isn't really a problem, just don't try to delete them by those names.
> 
> 
> Alex.
> 
> 
>> On 17/07/2022 10:16, jbv via use-livecode wrote:
>> Hi list,
>> 
>> On my LC Hosting account, I have a php script that creates directories :
>>    mkdir($dirname, 0755);
>> Each directory is used to temporarily store text & image files.
>> 
>> Then I have a LC script that is supposed to delete those directories
>> under certain conditions. No problem for deleting files inside each
>> directory, but 2 sub-directories are systematically created, named
>> "." and ".." and those can't be deleted, either by script of via ftp.
>> Therefore, there's no way to delete the directories created via php.
>> 
>> Last but not least, the doc for LC 9.6.8 says that "revDeleteFolder"
>> is the command to use to remove a folder and all its contents and that
>> it is available on both desktop and server platforms, but on my LC
>> hosting account I get : Handler: can't find handler (revDeleteFolder)
>> 
>> Any idea how to solve this problem ?
>> Thank you in advance.
>> jbv
>> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Jul 19 12:00:01 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2022 16:00:01 +0000
Subject: Debugging libraries
Message-ID: <88C847AF-40CA-42C0-871E-49D9FBB99D05@iotecdigital.com>

Hi all. 

There is a global variable, I thought it was gRevDevelopment, where you set it to true if you need to debug a script which begins with "lib". I cannot think what that global is! 

Bob S



From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Tue Jul 19 13:45:37 2022
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2022 10:45:37 -0700
Subject: Debugging libraries
In-Reply-To: <88C847AF-40CA-42C0-871E-49D9FBB99D05@iotecdigital.com>
References: <88C847AF-40CA-42C0-871E-49D9FBB99D05@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <48032bc8-be5e-0ec3-f5d6-6f3f1860058d@sonic.net>

On 7/19/22 09:00, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
> Hi all.
> 
> There is a global variable, I thought it was gRevDevelopment, where you set it to true if you need to debug a script which begins with "lib". I cannot think what that global is!

Set gRevDevelopment true to debug system stacks (starting with "rev" or 
plugins). And remember to set it false afterwards. If you're trying to 
debug a library that's been password-protected, though, it won't help.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com


From paulmcclernan at gmail.com  Tue Jul 19 14:19:55 2022
From: paulmcclernan at gmail.com (Paul McClernan)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2022 14:19:55 -0400
Subject: deleting folders on server with revDeleteFolder
In-Reply-To: <7bc4657f-68c2-440c-e89a-c787d0fed24b@tweedly.net>
References: <bf192c2f6310d880003950f0dc732c11@souslelogo.com>
 <7bc4657f-68c2-440c-e89a-c787d0fed24b@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <CA+mv_tUwgX4Bq7jeOyzBPOABotm_9bVBvm1JBwicp0DG_AOYeQ@mail.gmail.com>

Yeah, what Alex said, those are posix (Unix) placeholders that point to
folders (. self, and .. parent directory), they aren’t actual real folders.

On Sun, Jul 17, 2022 at 8:21 AM Alex Tweedly via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Those folders are
>
> "." - the folder itself
>
> ".." - the parent of the folder itself.
>
> As such, neither can be deleted directly, nor do they need to be in
> order to delete the folder itself. The folder itself should be deleted
> when the current folder is set to somewhere else.
>
> So - there isn't really a problem, just don't try to delete them by
> those names.
>
>
> Alex.
>
>
> On 17/07/2022 10:16, jbv via use-livecode wrote:
> > Hi list,
> >
> > On my LC Hosting account, I have a php script that creates directories :
> >    mkdir($dirname, 0755);
> > Each directory is used to temporarily store text & image files.
> >
> > Then I have a LC script that is supposed to delete those directories
> > under certain conditions. No problem for deleting files inside each
> > directory, but 2 sub-directories are systematically created, named
> > "." and ".." and those can't be deleted, either by script of via ftp.
> > Therefore, there's no way to delete the directories created via php.
> >
> > Last but not least, the doc for LC 9.6.8 says that "revDeleteFolder"
> > is the command to use to remove a folder and all its contents and that
> > it is available on both desktop and server platforms, but on my LC
> > hosting account I get : Handler: can't find handler (revDeleteFolder)
> >
> > Any idea how to solve this problem ?
> > Thank you in advance.
> > jbv
> >
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Jul 19 18:48:43 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2022 22:48:43 +0000
Subject: Debugging libraries
In-Reply-To: <48032bc8-be5e-0ec3-f5d6-6f3f1860058d@sonic.net>
References: <88C847AF-40CA-42C0-871E-49D9FBB99D05@iotecdigital.com>
 <48032bc8-be5e-0ec3-f5d6-6f3f1860058d@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <945788AA-055B-432D-AA90-74DFE76E7BB5@iotecdigital.com>

Thanks for the reply Mark, I did that (after declaring the global first) but breakpoints did not break! But then I discovered that the error was that I was calling a function as a command. To my recollection the sqlYoga sqlquery_retrieveAsData was a command like the array and record variants, but apparently not. It's a function so the code never got around to executing. DOH! 

Bob S


> On Jul 19, 2022, at 10:45 , Mark Wieder via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> On 7/19/22 09:00, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
>> Hi all.
>> There is a global variable, I thought it was gRevDevelopment, where you set it to true if you need to debug a script which begins with "lib". I cannot think what that global is!
> 
> Set gRevDevelopment true to debug system stacks (starting with "rev" or plugins). And remember to set it false afterwards. If you're trying to debug a library that's been password-protected, though, it won't help.
> 
> -- 
> Mark Wieder
> ahsoftware at gmail.com



From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Tue Jul 19 19:30:05 2022
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2022 16:30:05 -0700
Subject: Debugging libraries
In-Reply-To: <945788AA-055B-432D-AA90-74DFE76E7BB5@iotecdigital.com>
References: <88C847AF-40CA-42C0-871E-49D9FBB99D05@iotecdigital.com>
 <48032bc8-be5e-0ec3-f5d6-6f3f1860058d@sonic.net>
 <945788AA-055B-432D-AA90-74DFE76E7BB5@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <4d501ba3-a664-b1df-5f22-bd327160bbb6@sonic.net>

On 7/19/22 15:48, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
> Thanks for the reply Mark, I did that (after declaring the global first) but breakpoints did not break! But then I discovered that the error was that I was calling a function as a command.

Shouldn't that have thrown a runtime error?

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com


From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Tue Jul 19 20:20:17 2022
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2022 17:20:17 -0700
Subject: Debugging libraries
In-Reply-To: <945788AA-055B-432D-AA90-74DFE76E7BB5@iotecdigital.com>
References: <88C847AF-40CA-42C0-871E-49D9FBB99D05@iotecdigital.com>
 <48032bc8-be5e-0ec3-f5d6-6f3f1860058d@sonic.net>
 <945788AA-055B-432D-AA90-74DFE76E7BB5@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <9599622c-32c5-0200-f472-64cbc6b687c0@sonic.net>

On 7/19/22 15:48, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
> Thanks for the reply Mark, I did that (after declaring the global first) but breakpoints did not break! But then I discovered that the error was that I was calling a function as a command.

...and as a hint <g> the glx2 script editor will pop up a clairvoyance 
type-ahead bubble if you're using a command or a function properly, but 
won't if you're trying to use a function as a command or vice versa.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com


From gcanyon at gmail.com  Mon Jul 25 01:37:48 2022
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2022 22:37:48 -0700
Subject: Stylistic question.
In-Reply-To: <B00F6120-EBDF-4740-A4A3-A6491922AFDE@iotecdigital.com>
References: <a5a70233-b3c5-ded8-a8fa-f055803caca7@tweedly.net>
 <CADCoycPpkBSLoSXGCK51iWEaW_EOsWGFyVZ5i25sRjTAYD8UiQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <1818ceeb0b0.276f.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <B00F6120-EBDF-4740-A4A3-A6491922AFDE@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CAKCLKtoR=4CcjF79ThDpisZQUZkdxOfi8ueh518TJkV8xQqD7g@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry for the late response, but thanks for the shoutout. I'll also mention
that some time ago I put a fair bit of effort into enabling Navigator to
behavior-ify any set of controls, automatically extracting their built-in
code to script-only-stacks. I did it as part of the migration of Navigator
to SOS behaviors. I haven't checked to make sure, but I believe *all code*
in Navigator is a SOS-behavior; and I did that automatically from a
no-behaviors standing start with a simple command in Navigator itself. The
end result is that there can be any number of Navigator windows without any
duplication of code at all. Previously I had built Navigator with three
built-in copies, at the cost of making it three times as large. That wasn't
such a terrible thing, but I did find that anything beyond three copies
eventually broke (no idea why). Since migrating 100% to behaviors, I've
tried, I think, having ten copies open with no problem.

Disclaimer/warning: I wrote that code five years ago and haven't looked at
it since. No one has told me it doesn't work, but I only used it the one
time on Navigator itself. So work on a copy, please.

gc

On Wed, Jun 22, 2022 at 1:25 PM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Well then Navigator is for you! If an object has a behavior and no script
> of it's own, it's color in the list is green. If it has a script but no
> behavior, it's color is blue. If it has both, it's purple. Simply double
> clicking an object opens it's behavior script if it has one, and it's
> native script if it doesn't.
>
> You don't have to keep track of anything anymore.
>
> Bob S
>
>
> > On Jun 22, 2022, at 12:41 , J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > I find that too many behavior stacks make it difficult to keep track of
> where things are. But the primary downside is that script-only stacks don't
> work with remote debugging. That's a big drawback for me since most of my
> apps these days are for mobile. I do use behaviors quite a bit, but I put
> the scripts into buttons so they can be debugged remotely. Or maybe you
> mean you use regular stacks for behaviors? Those would work.
> >
> > The switch construct is way more flexible than if/then and much cleaner
> to read and track. I use them all the time. They're especially useful when
> you want to group several conditionals. What don't you like about them?
> Just curious.
> >
> > --
> > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>
>
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From gcanyon at gmail.com  Mon Jul 25 02:01:22 2022
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2022 23:01:22 -0700
Subject: Is syntax a dead issue?
Message-ID: <CAKCLKtqFSLP249B-eB-05RiZaPgZd8vxU3r-kOdC_9dEm=Ae6A@mail.gmail.com>

On this Hacker News thread <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32214419>,
I read this programming interview question
<https://benhoyt.com/writings/count-words/>. Roughly, the challenge is to
count the frequency of words in input, and return a list with counts,
sorted from most to least frequent. So input like this:

The foo the foo the
defenestration the

would produce output like this:

the 4
foo 2
defenestration 1

Of course I smiled because LC is literally built for this problem. I took
well under two minutes to write this function:

function wordCount X
   repeat for each word w in X
      add 1 to R[w]
   end repeat
   combine R using cr and tab
   sort R numeric descending by word 2 of each
   return R
end wordCount

There are quibbles -- the examples given in the article work line by line,
so input size isn't an issue, and of course quotes would cause an issue,
and LC is case insensitive, so it works, but the output would look like
this:

The 4
foo 2
defenestration 1

But generally, it works, and is super-easy to code. But for the sake of
argument, consider this Python solution given:

counts = collections.Counter()
for line in sys.stdin:
    words = line.lower().split()
    counts.update(words)

for word, count in counts.most_common():
    print(word, count)

That requires a library, but it's also super-easy to code and understand,
and it requires just the same number of lines. So, daydreaming extensions
to LC syntax, this comes to mind:

function wordCount X
   add 1 to R[w]  for each word w in X
   return R combined using cr and tab and sorted numeric descending by word
2 of each
end wordCount

or if you prefer:

function wordCount X
   for each word w in X add 1 to R[w]
   return (R combined using cr and tab) sorted numeric descending by word 2
of each
end wordCount

Or to really apply ourselves:

function wordCount X
   return the count of each word in X using cr and tab sorted numeric
descending by word 2 of each
end wordCount

So: the xTalk syntax is over thirty years old; when was the last
significant syntax update?

(I'm not at all core to the process, so feel free to tell me how much I've
missed lately!)

From gcanyon at gmail.com  Mon Jul 25 02:42:30 2022
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2022 23:42:30 -0700
Subject: Is syntax a dead issue?
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKtqFSLP249B-eB-05RiZaPgZd8vxU3r-kOdC_9dEm=Ae6A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKtqFSLP249B-eB-05RiZaPgZd8vxU3r-kOdC_9dEm=Ae6A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKCLKto+T3OvNhcO0mkkenaUG7e9DR6MF1jsp=QOX9r2fxEQLw@mail.gmail.com>

As a meta point, I wrote a version closer to the actual requirements --
lowercase everything, process an external input line by line to allow for
arbitrary input size. The result is about 8-10x slower than most other
languages -- not as bad as I feared, not as good as I hoped. Here's the
code for that version:

on mouseUp
   answer file "choose input:"
   if it is empty then exit mouseUp
   put it into F
   lock screen
   put the long seconds into T
   open file F for read
   repeat
      read from file F for 1 line
      repeat for each word w in toLower(it)
         add 1 to R[w]
      end repeat
      if the result is not empty then exit repeat
   end repeat
   combine R using cr and tab
   sort R numeric descending by word 2 of each
   put the long seconds - T into T1
   put R into fld "output"
   put the long seconds - T into T2
   put T1 && T2
   close file F
end mouseUp

On Sun, Jul 24, 2022 at 11:01 PM Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at gmail.com> wrote:

> On this Hacker News thread <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32214419>,
> I read this programming interview question
> <https://benhoyt.com/writings/count-words/>. Roughly, the challenge is to
> count the frequency of words in input, and return a list with counts,
> sorted from most to least frequent. So input like this:
>
> The foo the foo the
> defenestration the
>
> would produce output like this:
>
> the 4
> foo 2
> defenestration 1
>
> Of course I smiled because LC is literally built for this problem. I took
> well under two minutes to write this function:
>
> function wordCount X
>    repeat for each word w in X
>       add 1 to R[w]
>    end repeat
>    combine R using cr and tab
>    sort R numeric descending by word 2 of each
>    return R
> end wordCount
>
> There are quibbles -- the examples given in the article work line by line,
> so input size isn't an issue, and of course quotes would cause an issue,
> and LC is case insensitive, so it works, but the output would look like
> this:
>
> The 4
> foo 2
> defenestration 1
>
> But generally, it works, and is super-easy to code. But for the sake of
> argument, consider this Python solution given:
>
> counts = collections.Counter()
> for line in sys.stdin:
>     words = line.lower().split()
>     counts.update(words)
>
> for word, count in counts.most_common():
>     print(word, count)
>
> That requires a library, but it's also super-easy to code and understand,
> and it requires just the same number of lines. So, daydreaming extensions
> to LC syntax, this comes to mind:
>
> function wordCount X
>    add 1 to R[w]  for each word w in X
>    return R combined using cr and tab and sorted numeric descending by
> word 2 of each
> end wordCount
>
> or if you prefer:
>
> function wordCount X
>    for each word w in X add 1 to R[w]
>    return (R combined using cr and tab) sorted numeric descending by word
> 2 of each
> end wordCount
>
> Or to really apply ourselves:
>
> function wordCount X
>    return the count of each word in X using cr and tab sorted numeric
> descending by word 2 of each
> end wordCount
>
> So: the xTalk syntax is over thirty years old; when was the last
> significant syntax update?
>
> (I'm not at all core to the process, so feel free to tell me how much I've
> missed lately!)
>
>

From jbv at souslelogo.com  Mon Jul 25 02:59:04 2022
From: jbv at souslelogo.com (jbv at souslelogo.com)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2022 02:59:04 -0400
Subject: Is syntax a dead issue?
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKto+T3OvNhcO0mkkenaUG7e9DR6MF1jsp=QOX9r2fxEQLw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKtqFSLP249B-eB-05RiZaPgZd8vxU3r-kOdC_9dEm=Ae6A@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAKCLKto+T3OvNhcO0mkkenaUG7e9DR6MF1jsp=QOX9r2fxEQLw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ddc53fdf8c3331fd18da21603d265c3c@souslelogo.com>

Just curious : why do you use "read from file F for 1 line" ?
Instead, why don't you read the file in one go, load the content
into a variable and then use "for each line j in myVar" ?
Wouldn't that run faster ?

Best,
jbv


Le 2022-07-25 02:42, Geoff Canyon via use-livecode a crit :
> As a meta point, I wrote a version closer to the actual requirements --
> lowercase everything, process an external input line by line to allow 
> for
> arbitrary input size. The result is about 8-10x slower than most other
> languages -- not as bad as I feared, not as good as I hoped. Here's the
> code for that version:
> 
> on mouseUp
>    answer file "choose input:"
>    if it is empty then exit mouseUp
>    put it into F
>    lock screen
>    put the long seconds into T
>    open file F for read
>    repeat
>       read from file F for 1 line
>       repeat for each word w in toLower(it)
>          add 1 to R[w]
>       end repeat
>       if the result is not empty then exit repeat
>    end repeat
>    combine R using cr and tab
>    sort R numeric descending by word 2 of each
>    put the long seconds - T into T1
>    put R into fld "output"
>    put the long seconds - T into T2
>    put T1 && T2
>    close file F
> end mouseUp
> 
> On Sun, Jul 24, 2022 at 11:01 PM Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
>> On this Hacker News thread 
>> <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32214419>,
>> I read this programming interview question
>> <https://benhoyt.com/writings/count-words/>. Roughly, the challenge is 
>> to
>> count the frequency of words in input, and return a list with counts,
>> sorted from most to least frequent. So input like this:
>> 
>> The foo the foo the
>> defenestration the
>> 
>> would produce output like this:
>> 
>> the 4
>> foo 2
>> defenestration 1
>> 
>> Of course I smiled because LC is literally built for this problem. I 
>> took
>> well under two minutes to write this function:
>> 
>> function wordCount X
>>    repeat for each word w in X
>>       add 1 to R[w]
>>    end repeat
>>    combine R using cr and tab
>>    sort R numeric descending by word 2 of each
>>    return R
>> end wordCount
>> 
>> There are quibbles -- the examples given in the article work line by 
>> line,
>> so input size isn't an issue, and of course quotes would cause an 
>> issue,
>> and LC is case insensitive, so it works, but the output would look 
>> like
>> this:
>> 
>> The 4
>> foo 2
>> defenestration 1
>> 
>> But generally, it works, and is super-easy to code. But for the sake 
>> of
>> argument, consider this Python solution given:
>> 
>> counts = collections.Counter()
>> for line in sys.stdin:
>>     words = line.lower().split()
>>     counts.update(words)
>> 
>> for word, count in counts.most_common():
>>     print(word, count)
>> 
>> That requires a library, but it's also super-easy to code and 
>> understand,
>> and it requires just the same number of lines. So, daydreaming 
>> extensions
>> to LC syntax, this comes to mind:
>> 
>> function wordCount X
>>    add 1 to R[w]  for each word w in X
>>    return R combined using cr and tab and sorted numeric descending by
>> word 2 of each
>> end wordCount
>> 
>> or if you prefer:
>> 
>> function wordCount X
>>    for each word w in X add 1 to R[w]
>>    return (R combined using cr and tab) sorted numeric descending by 
>> word
>> 2 of each
>> end wordCount
>> 
>> Or to really apply ourselves:
>> 
>> function wordCount X
>>    return the count of each word in X using cr and tab sorted numeric
>> descending by word 2 of each
>> end wordCount
>> 
>> So: the xTalk syntax is over thirty years old; when was the last
>> significant syntax update?
>> 
>> (I'm not at all core to the process, so feel free to tell me how much 
>> I've
>> missed lately!)
>> 
>> 
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From jacques.clavel at gmail.com  Mon Jul 25 03:06:52 2022
From: jacques.clavel at gmail.com (Jacques Clavel)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2022 09:06:52 +0200
Subject: Is syntax a dead issue?
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKto+T3OvNhcO0mkkenaUG7e9DR6MF1jsp=QOX9r2fxEQLw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKtqFSLP249B-eB-05RiZaPgZd8vxU3r-kOdC_9dEm=Ae6A@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAKCLKto+T3OvNhcO0mkkenaUG7e9DR6MF1jsp=QOX9r2fxEQLw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALD5CnjJs=yTsAuqSv4p31tp-c+hyBE4nrLvENMK2QuArWj9bg@mail.gmail.com>

just curious : what about using LCB for the repeat loop ?

jc

Le lun. 25 juil. 2022 à 08:44, Geoff Canyon via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> a écrit :

> As a meta point, I wrote a version closer to the actual requirements --
> lowercase everything, process an external input line by line to allow for
> arbitrary input size. The result is about 8-10x slower than most other
> languages -- not as bad as I feared, not as good as I hoped. Here's the
> code for that version:
>
> on mouseUp
>    answer file "choose input:"
>    if it is empty then exit mouseUp
>    put it into F
>    lock screen
>    put the long seconds into T
>    open file F for read
>    repeat
>       read from file F for 1 line
>       repeat for each word w in toLower(it)
>          add 1 to R[w]
>       end repeat
>       if the result is not empty then exit repeat
>    end repeat
>    combine R using cr and tab
>    sort R numeric descending by word 2 of each
>    put the long seconds - T into T1
>    put R into fld "output"
>    put the long seconds - T into T2
>    put T1 && T2
>    close file F
> end mouseUp
>
> On Sun, Jul 24, 2022 at 11:01 PM Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On this Hacker News thread <
> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32214419>,
> > I read this programming interview question
> > <https://benhoyt.com/writings/count-words/>. Roughly, the challenge is
> to
> > count the frequency of words in input, and return a list with counts,
> > sorted from most to least frequent. So input like this:
> >
> > The foo the foo the
> > defenestration the
> >
> > would produce output like this:
> >
> > the 4
> > foo 2
> > defenestration 1
> >
> > Of course I smiled because LC is literally built for this problem. I took
> > well under two minutes to write this function:
> >
> > function wordCount X
> >    repeat for each word w in X
> >       add 1 to R[w]
> >    end repeat
> >    combine R using cr and tab
> >    sort R numeric descending by word 2 of each
> >    return R
> > end wordCount
> >
> > There are quibbles -- the examples given in the article work line by
> line,
> > so input size isn't an issue, and of course quotes would cause an issue,
> > and LC is case insensitive, so it works, but the output would look like
> > this:
> >
> > The 4
> > foo 2
> > defenestration 1
> >
> > But generally, it works, and is super-easy to code. But for the sake of
> > argument, consider this Python solution given:
> >
> > counts = collections.Counter()
> > for line in sys.stdin:
> >     words = line.lower().split()
> >     counts.update(words)
> >
> > for word, count in counts.most_common():
> >     print(word, count)
> >
> > That requires a library, but it's also super-easy to code and understand,
> > and it requires just the same number of lines. So, daydreaming extensions
> > to LC syntax, this comes to mind:
> >
> > function wordCount X
> >    add 1 to R[w]  for each word w in X
> >    return R combined using cr and tab and sorted numeric descending by
> > word 2 of each
> > end wordCount
> >
> > or if you prefer:
> >
> > function wordCount X
> >    for each word w in X add 1 to R[w]
> >    return (R combined using cr and tab) sorted numeric descending by word
> > 2 of each
> > end wordCount
> >
> > Or to really apply ourselves:
> >
> > function wordCount X
> >    return the count of each word in X using cr and tab sorted numeric
> > descending by word 2 of each
> > end wordCount
> >
> > So: the xTalk syntax is over thirty years old; when was the last
> > significant syntax update?
> >
> > (I'm not at all core to the process, so feel free to tell me how much
> I've
> > missed lately!)
> >
> >
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From gcanyon at gmail.com  Mon Jul 25 10:15:20 2022
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2022 07:15:20 -0700
Subject: Is syntax a dead issue?
In-Reply-To: <ddc53fdf8c3331fd18da21603d265c3c@souslelogo.com>
References: <CAKCLKtqFSLP249B-eB-05RiZaPgZd8vxU3r-kOdC_9dEm=Ae6A@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAKCLKto+T3OvNhcO0mkkenaUG7e9DR6MF1jsp=QOX9r2fxEQLw@mail.gmail.com>
 <ddc53fdf8c3331fd18da21603d265c3c@souslelogo.com>
Message-ID: <CAKCLKtp4i8a7kv=tCxXzVWhKmdSuL-aCq=1r7O8qtywfe84bOQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Jul 25, 2022 at 12:00 AM jbv via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Just curious : why do you use "read from file F for 1 line" ?
> Instead, why don't you read the file in one go, load the content
> into a variable and then use "for each line j in myVar" ?
> Wouldn't that run faster ?
>
> Best,
> jbv
>

My base version does all the processing in one go and ignores lines
entirely except as they count as white space. But the second set of
requirements for the task from the original post required dealing with
arbitrarily large inputs (it mentioned terabytes). It's not a completely
unrealistic concept: at the rate this goes on my Mac, it would take about
100 hours to process a terabyte input.

In any case, I just tried my base "all in one go" version on the 50mb test
file, and it's about 3x as fast as parsing line-by-line, which makes it
still among the slowest languages as far as I can tell -- no idea how my M1
Macbook Air compares to the machine he used.

From gcanyon at gmail.com  Mon Jul 25 10:16:13 2022
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2022 07:16:13 -0700
Subject: Is syntax a dead issue?
In-Reply-To: <CALD5CnjJs=yTsAuqSv4p31tp-c+hyBE4nrLvENMK2QuArWj9bg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKtqFSLP249B-eB-05RiZaPgZd8vxU3r-kOdC_9dEm=Ae6A@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAKCLKto+T3OvNhcO0mkkenaUG7e9DR6MF1jsp=QOX9r2fxEQLw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CALD5CnjJs=yTsAuqSv4p31tp-c+hyBE4nrLvENMK2QuArWj9bg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKCLKtqqk1kuUPb9YyyjXy2L6p-YVLTYTUHvxXrWKGRVhXKp8A@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Jul 25, 2022 at 12:08 AM Jacques Clavel via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> just curious : what about using LCB for the repeat loop ?
>
> jc
>

I confess I haven't touched LCB

From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Mon Jul 25 14:24:58 2022
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2022 13:24:58 -0500
Subject: Monterey + Dark Mode + LC 9.6.6
In-Reply-To: <A2BF86C3-412B-430E-9848-0E83ED717237@gmail.com>
References: <71F66BA4-23E7-4B56-9549-6DE442B74635@gmail.com>
 <A2BF86C3-412B-430E-9848-0E83ED717237@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHg3tG9tBmxnvsVSwgbg--cH=6Fr1cw0cz_yBi0oyUdFTLxoWQ@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for posting this Marty. I just needed to add that to my app :-)

-- 
Trevor DeVore
ScreenSteps

On Mon, Mar 7, 2022 at 7:10 PM Marty Knapp via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I think I found the issue. I use Levure to build my apps (great framework
> - you should try it!) and it uses a a customized plist file. I compared
> that to a plist file from a normally complied app and notice it has has
> parameter that is needed:
>
> <key>NSRequiresAquaSystemAppearance</key>
>         <true/>
>
> ---
> Marty Knapp
>
> > On Mar 7, 2022, at 4:05 PM, Marty Knapp <martyknappster at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > I just had a customer send a screen shot of my app (built with LC 9.6.6)
> running on Mac Monterey in dark mode and buttons and fields are all messed
> up. I don’t use dark mode and so tried it on my Mac and see the issue. I
> then tried an app built with a previous version of LC (9.6.1 I believe) and
> it looks fine. Anybody else seeing this?
> > ---
> > Marty Knapp
>
>
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From martyknappster at gmail.com  Mon Jul 25 15:06:45 2022
From: martyknappster at gmail.com (Marty Knapp)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2022 12:06:45 -0700
Subject: Monterey + Dark Mode + LC 9.6.6
In-Reply-To: <CAHg3tG9tBmxnvsVSwgbg--cH=6Fr1cw0cz_yBi0oyUdFTLxoWQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <71F66BA4-23E7-4B56-9549-6DE442B74635@gmail.com>
 <A2BF86C3-412B-430E-9848-0E83ED717237@gmail.com>
 <CAHg3tG9tBmxnvsVSwgbg--cH=6Fr1cw0cz_yBi0oyUdFTLxoWQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6AAA4E05-11E0-448C-9156-B96CC36C7793@gmail.com>

Glad I could reciprocate for once! 

I’m sure glad I took the time to learn Trevor's “Levure" framework - such great way to build apps in LC. I would encourage you to try this if you have not done so. One one of my favorite features is the update helper using the Sparkle framework. And you can’t beat the price - free!

https://github.com/trevordevore/levure/wiki
---
Marty Knapp

> On Jul 25, 2022, at 11:24 AM, Trevor DeVore via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Thanks for posting this Marty. I just needed to add that to my app :-)
> 
> -- 
> Trevor DeVore
> ScreenSteps
> 
> On Mon, Mar 7, 2022 at 7:10 PM Marty Knapp via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> I think I found the issue. I use Levure to build my apps (great framework
>> - you should try it!) and it uses a a customized plist file. I compared
>> that to a plist file from a normally complied app and notice it has has
>> parameter that is needed:
>> 
>> <key>NSRequiresAquaSystemAppearance</key>
>>        <true/>
>> 
>> ---
>> Marty Knapp
>> 
>>> On Mar 7, 2022, at 4:05 PM, Marty Knapp <martyknappster at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I just had a customer send a screen shot of my app (built with LC 9.6.6)
>> running on Mac Monterey in dark mode and buttons and fields are all messed
>> up. I don’t use dark mode and so tried it on my Mac and see the issue. I
>> then tried an app built with a previous version of LC (9.6.1 I believe) and
>> it looks fine. Anybody else seeing this?
>>> ---
>>> Marty Knapp
>> 
>> 
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From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Tue Jul 26 09:20:58 2022
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2022 08:20:58 -0500
Subject: Automating LiveCode builds with Github Actions?
Message-ID: <CAHg3tG8kaHvdm0XNxT_+0WptXnzorLU=jqS9syF1hcCEePD77A@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

I would like to automate the following sequential steps using Github
Actions and I'm wondering if anyone has experience automating LiveCode with
Github Actions that they could share.

1. Open a stack in LiveCode and send a message to it. This would be for
building a Levure application.
2. Build an MSI file using Wix
3. Build an exe installer with Inno Setup.

The end result would be the ability to create MSI and exe installers from a
LIveCode application from a central location (Github) either manually or as
part of another workflow.

-- 
Trevor DeVore
ScreenSteps

From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Jul 26 11:06:59 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2022 15:06:59 +0000
Subject: sqlYoga queries
Message-ID: <A9C5054A-FF91-448B-AF88-46744134B833@iotecdigital.com>

Hi. This is directed at Trevor Devore, although if anyone else knows they can chime in. 

sqlYoga can define table objects and relations in a database object. Heretofore I have not availed myself of this, being content to only work with query objects and record objects. Now as I am trying to optimize this new socket agent I wrote, I am wondering if a single query for all the data for a given customer/site/device would be more time efficient than multiple queries for each table. So the question is, if I were to use table and relations, could I craft a statement so that it perfoms a single query? 

Bob S



From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Tue Jul 26 11:47:58 2022
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2022 10:47:58 -0500
Subject: sqlYoga queries
In-Reply-To: <A9C5054A-FF91-448B-AF88-46744134B833@iotecdigital.com>
References: <A9C5054A-FF91-448B-AF88-46744134B833@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CAHg3tG_PuKJOQztzi9P=vSnmE-QG4HFy9to3j8zMDP-ZUTgvhw@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Jul 26, 2022 at 10:08 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> sqlYoga can define table objects and relations in a database object.
> Heretofore I have not availed myself of this, being content to only work
> with query objects and record objects. Now as I am trying to optimize this
> new socket agent I wrote, I am wondering if a single query for all the data
> for a given customer/site/device would be more time efficient than multiple
> queries for each table. So the question is, if I were to use table and
> relations, could I craft a statement so that it perfoms a single query?
>

Hi Bob,

So table/relationship objects in SQL Yoga aren't required here. You can set
the `related table joins` (or just `joins`) property of a SQL Query Object.
See docs:
https://github.com/trevordevore/sql-yoga/wiki/SQL-Yoga-API#sqlquery_set

Per the docs, if you have table and relationship objects defined you can
use shorthand to set the property. You can just use the longhand approach
to run some tests and see if your code runs faster with a single query that
returns data from multiple tables vs multiple queries that query each table
individually.

-- 
Trevor DeVore
ScreenSteps

From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Jul 26 11:54:20 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2022 15:54:20 +0000
Subject: sqlYoga queries
In-Reply-To: <CAHg3tG_PuKJOQztzi9P=vSnmE-QG4HFy9to3j8zMDP-ZUTgvhw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <A9C5054A-FF91-448B-AF88-46744134B833@iotecdigital.com>
 <CAHg3tG_PuKJOQztzi9P=vSnmE-QG4HFy9to3j8zMDP-ZUTgvhw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A2EEC113-74BF-4CA9-8E02-CE7D73C21D7A@iotecdigital.com>

Thanks Trevor. I'll give it a go. 

Bob S


> On Jul 26, 2022, at 08:47 , Trevor DeVore via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2022 at 10:08 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> sqlYoga can define table objects and relations in a database object.
>> Heretofore I have not availed myself of this, being content to only work
>> with query objects and record objects. Now as I am trying to optimize this
>> new socket agent I wrote, I am wondering if a single query for all the data
>> for a given customer/site/device would be more time efficient than multiple
>> queries for each table. So the question is, if I were to use table and
>> relations, could I craft a statement so that it perfoms a single query?
>> 
> 
> Hi Bob,
> 
> So table/relationship objects in SQL Yoga aren't required here. You can set
> the `related table joins` (or just `joins`) property of a SQL Query Object.
> See docs:
> https://github.com/trevordevore/sql-yoga/wiki/SQL-Yoga-API#sqlquery_set
> 
> Per the docs, if you have table and relationship objects defined you can
> use shorthand to set the property. You can just use the longhand approach
> to run some tests and see if your code runs faster with a single query that
> returns data from multiple tables vs multiple queries that query each table
> individually.
> 
> -- 
> Trevor DeVore
> ScreenSteps
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From dan at clearvisiontech.com  Tue Jul 26 12:42:40 2022
From: dan at clearvisiontech.com (Dan Friedman)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2022 16:42:40 +0000
Subject: Android Player Object in Background
Message-ID: <FC5AC9B8-F1DE-4139-864C-AC656C081B75@clearvisiontech.com>

I have a music playing app that uses the native player object to play music.  When in the background, iOS allows control of the playing song in the Control Center.  This not function this way on Android.  There is a androidStartAudioPlayingInBackground command, but that plays a supplied url, not from the player object.   Does anyone have any insight on this?

-Dan


From dan at clearvisiontech.com  Tue Jul 26 12:45:04 2022
From: dan at clearvisiontech.com (Dan Friedman)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2022 16:45:04 +0000
Subject: LiveCode access to mpnowplayinginfocenter?
Message-ID: <EE16DE26-51BC-42EA-BD2C-BBD44432442B@clearvisiontech.com>

On iOS, a song playing in the native player can be controlled in the Control Center.  However, it doesn't display the song name, or artwork or other details.  Looks like LC needs to access mpnowplayinginfocenter.  Is this possible?   Anyone know anything about this?

-Dan


From tom at makeshyft.com  Tue Jul 26 17:28:10 2022
From: tom at makeshyft.com (Tom Glod)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2022 17:28:10 -0400
Subject: Android Player Object in Background
In-Reply-To: <FC5AC9B8-F1DE-4139-864C-AC656C081B75@clearvisiontech.com>
References: <FC5AC9B8-F1DE-4139-864C-AC656C081B75@clearvisiontech.com>
Message-ID: <CAPzQJLLN_axPSStzPL58n9iMsUmOZYpA2VLfR99G-ihnZm1XGw@mail.gmail.com>

The way I achieved this is using a html 5 player in the browser instead of
the player object.
The player has no way of doing this currently....as far as I know.

On Tue, Jul 26, 2022 at 12:43 PM Dan Friedman via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I have a music playing app that uses the native player object to play
> music.  When in the background, iOS allows control of the playing song in
> the Control Center.  This not function this way on Android.  There is a
> androidStartAudioPlayingInBackground command, but that plays a supplied
> url, not from the player object.   Does anyone have any insight on this?
>
> -Dan
>
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From dan at clearvisiontech.com  Tue Jul 26 18:23:22 2022
From: dan at clearvisiontech.com (Dan Friedman)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2022 22:23:22 +0000
Subject: Android Player Object in Background
In-Reply-To: <CAPzQJLLN_axPSStzPL58n9iMsUmOZYpA2VLfR99G-ihnZm1XGw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <FC5AC9B8-F1DE-4139-864C-AC656C081B75@clearvisiontech.com>
 <CAPzQJLLN_axPSStzPL58n9iMsUmOZYpA2VLfR99G-ihnZm1XGw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B8EFD145-B037-4FEA-94A3-0AC3AB332519@clearvisiontech.com>

Tom,

Yes, I know the browser will do this.  That's what we did originally.   But, I couldn't get enough control over the playback in the browser.  The Player Object does everything I need!   Except work with the OS apparently.  I'll have to reach out to LC for assistance.

-Dan


On 7/26/22, 2:29 PM, "use-livecode on behalf of Tom Glod via use-livecode" <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com on behalf of use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

    The way I achieved this is using a html 5 player in the browser instead of
    the player object.
    The player has no way of doing this currently....as far as I know.

    On Tue, Jul 26, 2022 at 12:43 PM Dan Friedman via use-livecode <
    use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

    > I have a music playing app that uses the native player object to play
    > music.  When in the background, iOS allows control of the playing song in
    > the Control Center.  This not function this way on Android.  There is a
    > androidStartAudioPlayingInBackground command, but that plays a supplied
    > url, not from the player object.   Does anyone have any insight on this?
    >
    > -Dan
    >
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From paul at researchware.com  Wed Jul 27 11:17:23 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2022 11:17:23 -0400
Subject: Livecode Builder developer wanted
In-Reply-To: <cdf489f1-eb80-798f-8104-ff923fa71130@researchware.com>
References: <cdf489f1-eb80-798f-8104-ff923fa71130@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <f1a0ec3e-1f6e-b01b-6182-a837d27328d8@researchware.com>

Still looking for a LCB developer to build/configure Trevor's wrapper 
for pocketsphinx for macOS also for Windows.


On 7/14/2022 3:50 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
> I am looking to hire someone to take what Trevor DeVore started 3 
> years ago, for the Livecode conference, of making an LCB wrapper for 
> pocketsphinx (https://github.com/trevordevore/lc-pocketsphinx) for 
> macOS and extend it to Windows including builds of the pocketsphinx 
> libraries for macOS and Windows. Essentially, advance it a bit further 
> so it can just be plugged into Livecode and used as a library in the 
> IDE and standalones.
>
> Anyone experienced in making LCB libraries for macOS and Windows 
> interested?
>
> If so, please email me off-list and send me a rate and/or estimate.
>
> P.S. I contacted Trevor, but he is tied up with other work and 
> unavailable.
>
> Paul Dupuis
> Researchware
>
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From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Thu Jul 28 08:39:59 2022
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2022 08:39:59 -0400
Subject: Livecode Builder developer wanted
In-Reply-To: <f1a0ec3e-1f6e-b01b-6182-a837d27328d8@researchware.com>
References: <cdf489f1-eb80-798f-8104-ff923fa71130@researchware.com>
 <f1a0ec3e-1f6e-b01b-6182-a837d27328d8@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycOR-Z2vDQW4YVDT7Ddcmd7MXb2pGg=ZPs65pGJszhe0uw@mail.gmail.com>

I don't know if I'm surprised or not surprised that the LCB takeup seems to
be low.

On Wed, Jul 27, 2022 at 11:18 AM Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Still looking for a LCB developer to build/configure Trevor's wrapper
> for pocketsphinx for macOS also for Windows.
>
>
> On 7/14/2022 3:50 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
> > I am looking to hire someone to take what Trevor DeVore started 3
> > years ago, for the Livecode conference, of making an LCB wrapper for
> > pocketsphinx (https://github.com/trevordevore/lc-pocketsphinx) for
> > macOS and extend it to Windows including builds of the pocketsphinx
> > libraries for macOS and Windows. Essentially, advance it a bit further
> > so it can just be plugged into Livecode and used as a library in the
> > IDE and standalones.
> >
> > Anyone experienced in making LCB libraries for macOS and Windows
> > interested?
> >
> > If so, please email me off-list and send me a rate and/or estimate.
> >
> > P.S. I contacted Trevor, but he is tied up with other work and
> > unavailable.
> >
> > Paul Dupuis
> > Researchware
> >
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From paul at researchware.com  Thu Jul 28 10:57:23 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2022 10:57:23 -0400
Subject: Livecode Builder developer wanted
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycOR-Z2vDQW4YVDT7Ddcmd7MXb2pGg=ZPs65pGJszhe0uw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <cdf489f1-eb80-798f-8104-ff923fa71130@researchware.com>
 <f1a0ec3e-1f6e-b01b-6182-a837d27328d8@researchware.com>
 <CADCoycOR-Z2vDQW4YVDT7Ddcmd7MXb2pGg=ZPs65pGJszhe0uw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <fca710db-db22-1ef7-5b65-cbe5e9f93c15@researchware.com>

On 7/28/2022 8:39 AM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode wrote:
> I don't know if I'm surprised or not surprised that the LCB takeup seems to
> be low.
>
>

Actually, I am surprised. I have seen mentioned on this list dozens of 
LCB widgets and libraries, including those developed by others and 
licensed by Livecode for the Summer Bundle. Not hundreds true, but many 
dozens. That implies to e there are at least a few dozen LCB developers 
out there.

What I'm seeking is just to take what Trevor has already done in LCB for 
macOS and set it up for Windows as well. For someone with with 
experience at making LCB wrappers for DLLs, I would expect this work to 
be a relatively small effort (most likely no more than 1 day). I can 
learn how to do this, but I expect it will take me 4-8 times as long. So 
basic math says that if I can find someone to perform the task for pay, 
it is likely a better option than my trying to spend the time to do it 
myself. I also figured, since it would seem to be a small job, that it 
might be attractive to an LCB developer out there to fill in and around 
other work they are doing.

However, if there are no takers, then I guess I'll just make the time 
and jump in.



From harrison at all-auctions.com  Thu Jul 28 11:57:55 2022
From: harrison at all-auctions.com (harrison at all-auctions.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2022 11:57:55 -0400
Subject: Livecode Builder developer wanted
In-Reply-To: <fca710db-db22-1ef7-5b65-cbe5e9f93c15@researchware.com>
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Hi Paul,

I seriously doubt that anyone would be chomping at the bit for this task.

First, you expect the person to spend their free time looking at the task to 
determine the effort and cost required to accomplish the task.  There is
no paid incentive to do that first step.  If after the person gave you their
estimate, and you decided you didn’t like it, then the developer has lost
their time and effort for nothing.

Secondly you have stated that you expect the effort required would be 
no more than 1 day.  It’s very possible that your 1 day projection is 
completely off the mark. If it took the person more time than that, you
would probably be dissatisfied.  Who would want to deal with that?

Thirdly, even if your projection of 1 day of effort was 100% correct, why would
anyone want to bother trying to do the task for just one day’s pay?  It simply
isn’t worth the time or the hassle for any potential programmer to want to
deal with the task for that reason alone.

So yes, the bottom line here for you is that you indeed will have to work
on the task yourself or it’s not going to get done at all.

I hope you will keep this in mind for any future work you would like 
to have performed.

I have to get back to my work here.

I hope you have a fruitful and productive day!

Cheers,

Rick



> On Jul 28, 2022, at 10:57 AM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> What I'm seeking is just to take what Trevor has already done in LCB for macOS and set it up for Windows as well. For someone with with experience at making LCB wrappers for DLLs, I would expect this work to be a relatively small effort (most likely no more than 1 day).


From paul at researchware.com  Thu Jul 28 12:23:52 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2022 12:23:52 -0400
Subject: Livecode Builder developer wanted
In-Reply-To: <1C5DF67E-1332-42DB-BF43-1B0F709EF140@all-auctions.com>
References: <cdf489f1-eb80-798f-8104-ff923fa71130@researchware.com>
 <f1a0ec3e-1f6e-b01b-6182-a837d27328d8@researchware.com>
 <CADCoycOR-Z2vDQW4YVDT7Ddcmd7MXb2pGg=ZPs65pGJszhe0uw@mail.gmail.com>
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I've hired and managed independent software developers for various 
businesses for nearly 40 years. I am well aware of the market.

We pay competitive contract rates. My estimate of time is probably about 
right for someone who has set up at least 1 or 2 cross-platform LCB DLL 
wrappers based on decades of estimating IT projects, but it was more 
meant to suggest the work is something in the scope of many hours to 
days vs. weeks or months.

As for job size, if you are a contract developer who has a queue of 
large jobs providing regular income, good for you. My experience is that 
many contract developers value non-time sensitive small jobs they can 
fit in and around larger projects to fill in the inevitable gaps between 
larger projects that can come up.

If no one is available or interested, as I said, it is not time 
sensitive, so we can either wait or tackle it ourselves as time permits.

Paul Dupuis
Researchware

  On 7/28/2022 11:57 AM, harrison--- via use-livecode wrote:
> Hi Paul,
>
> I seriously doubt that anyone would be chomping at the bit for this task.
>
> First, you expect the person to spend their free time looking at the task to
> determine the effort and cost required to accomplish the task.  There is
> no paid incentive to do that first step.  If after the person gave you their
> estimate, and you decided you didnt like it, then the developer has lost
> their time and effort for nothing.
>
> Secondly you have stated that you expect the effort required would be
> no more than 1 day.  Its very possible that your 1 day projection is
> completely off the mark. If it took the person more time than that, you
> would probably be dissatisfied.  Who would want to deal with that?
>
> Thirdly, even if your projection of 1 day of effort was 100% correct, why would
> anyone want to bother trying to do the task for just one days pay?  It simply
> isnt worth the time or the hassle for any potential programmer to want to
> deal with the task for that reason alone.
>
> So yes, the bottom line here for you is that you indeed will have to work
> on the task yourself or its not going to get done at all.
>
> I hope you will keep this in mind for any future work you would like
> to have performed.
>
> I have to get back to my work here.
>
> I hope you have a fruitful and productive day!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Rick
>
>
>
>> On Jul 28, 2022, at 10:57 AM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> What I'm seeking is just to take what Trevor has already done in LCB for macOS and set it up for Windows as well. For someone with with experience at making LCB wrappers for DLLs, I would expect this work to be a relatively small effort (most likely no more than 1 day).
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From harrison at all-auctions.com  Thu Jul 28 13:43:43 2022
From: harrison at all-auctions.com (harrison at all-auctions.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2022 13:43:43 -0400
Subject: Livecode Builder developer wanted
In-Reply-To: <7611291e-0782-ff86-d8e9-bff5cbe329ad@researchware.com>
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 <f1a0ec3e-1f6e-b01b-6182-a837d27328d8@researchware.com>
 <CADCoycOR-Z2vDQW4YVDT7Ddcmd7MXb2pGg=ZPs65pGJszhe0uw@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Paul,

You should have led with that information.

Keys here:  Not time sensitive. Pay competitive rates:  What is your rate?  Be upfront with that if you can.

Thanks for clearing things up a bit.

Cheers,

Rick
                    

> On Jul 28, 2022, at 12:23 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I've hired and managed independent software developers for various businesses for nearly 40 years. I am well aware of the market.
> 
> We pay competitive contract rates. My estimate of time is probably about right for someone who has set up at least 1 or 2 cross-platform LCB DLL wrappers based on decades of estimating IT projects, but it was more meant to suggest the work is something in the scope of many hours to days vs. weeks or months.
> 
> As for job size, if you are a contract developer who has a queue of large jobs providing regular income, good for you. My experience is that many contract developers value non-time sensitive small jobs they can fit in and around larger projects to fill in the inevitable gaps between larger projects that can come up.
> 
> If no one is available or interested, as I said, it is not time sensitive, so we can either wait or tackle it ourselves as time permits.
> 
> Paul Dupuis
> Researchware


From paul at researchware.com  Sat Jul 30 15:53:22 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2022 15:53:22 -0400
Subject: wait 0 with messages
Message-ID: <1cae43a6-063a-8243-cee2-cbf8e3b45e47@researchware.com>

My understanding of 'wait 0 with messages' is that it will cause any 
pending messages, that are not scheduled for a time later than the 
current time, in the pendingMessages queue to be processed before 
continuing. Messages later than the current time (when the statement is 
executed) will not be processed (yet).

Is this correct?



From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Sat Jul 30 19:49:36 2022
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2022 16:49:36 -0700
Subject: wait 0 with messages
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Message-ID: <73d66312-e94e-aba5-5189-67ed6dc9995e@sonic.net>

On 7/30/22 12:53, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
> My understanding of 'wait 0 with messages' is that it will cause any 
> pending messages, that are not scheduled for a time later than the 
> current time, in the pendingMessages queue to be processed before 
> continuing. Messages later than the current time (when the statement is 
> executed) will not be processed (yet).
> 
> Is this correct?

My understanding of this is close but not quite the same.
The "wait 0 with messages" statement is the fastest implementation 
("wait 0") of an opportunity for the system event loop to process any 
pending instructions. The "with messages" statement in effect yields 
control to the event loop to check if any "send in time" messages have 
timed out and are pending or to handle other tasks that may have 
accumulated (mouse or keyboard events, etc).

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com


From paul at researchware.com  Sat Jul 30 22:02:54 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2022 22:02:54 -0400
Subject: wait 0 with messages
In-Reply-To: <73d66312-e94e-aba5-5189-67ed6dc9995e@sonic.net>
References: <1cae43a6-063a-8243-cee2-cbf8e3b45e47@researchware.com>
 <73d66312-e94e-aba5-5189-67ed6dc9995e@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <ab1a0a53-f4f0-ed90-298a-6aaf4a01f7ea@researchware.com>

On 7/30/2022 7:49 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:
> On 7/30/22 12:53, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
>> My understanding of 'wait 0 with messages' is that it will cause any 
>> pending messages, that are not scheduled for a time later than the 
>> current time, in the pendingMessages queue to be processed before 
>> continuing. Messages later than the current time (when the statement 
>> is executed) will not be processed (yet).
>>
>> Is this correct?
>
> My understanding of this is close but not quite the same.
> The "wait 0 with messages" statement is the fastest implementation 
> ("wait 0") of an opportunity for the system event loop to process any 
> pending instructions. The "with messages" statement in effect yields 
> control to the event loop to check if any "send in time" messages have 
> timed out and are pending or to handle other tasks that may have 
> accumulated (mouse or keyboard events, etc).
>

So Mark,

Your understanding is that 'wait 0' (WITHOUT with messages) would allow 
OS events like a screen redraw, USB drive insertion/removal, etc. but 
NOT livecode engine events in the queue like mouseDown, mouseUp, 
resumeStack, etc,

OR

That wait 0 (again without with messages) would include in addition to 
OS events, LC built-in events like mouseDown, resumeStack, etc., but not 
custom messages (or LC standard messages) sent to the queue via sent in 
time?

Thanks for responding!



From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Sun Jul 31 01:04:14 2022
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2022 22:04:14 -0700
Subject: wait 0 with messages
In-Reply-To: <ab1a0a53-f4f0-ed90-298a-6aaf4a01f7ea@researchware.com>
References: <1cae43a6-063a-8243-cee2-cbf8e3b45e47@researchware.com>
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Message-ID: <8c7a0ae9-c8c8-14be-aea1-efa3cb915bd0@sonic.net>

On 7/30/22 19:02, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:

> So Mark,
> 
> Your understanding is that 'wait 0' (WITHOUT with messages) would allow 
> OS events like a screen redraw, USB drive insertion/removal, etc. but 
> NOT livecode engine events in the queue like mouseDown, mouseUp, 
> resumeStack, etc,
> 
> OR
> 
> That wait 0 (again without with messages) would include in addition to 
> OS events, LC built-in events like mouseDown, resumeStack, etc., but not 
> custom messages (or LC standard messages) sent to the queue via sent in 
> time?

I don't think "wait 0" by itself does anything useful. Make a stack with 
two buttons. Running the script in the first button will prevent mouseUp 
events in button 2 from being processed.

button 1 script:
on mouseUp
   repeat forever
     wait 0
   end repeat
end mouseUp

button 2 script:
on mouseUp
   put the name of me & cr after msg
end mouseUp

Now hit command-period to exit to the debugger, change the script of 
button 1 to

on mouseUp
   repeat forever
     wait 0 with messages
   end repeat
end mouseUp

and you can click button 2 and see new text in the message box.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Jul 31 15:14:39 2022
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2022 14:14:39 -0500
Subject: wait 0 with messages
In-Reply-To: <8c7a0ae9-c8c8-14be-aea1-efa3cb915bd0@sonic.net>
References: <1cae43a6-063a-8243-cee2-cbf8e3b45e47@researchware.com>
 <73d66312-e94e-aba5-5189-67ed6dc9995e@sonic.net>
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Message-ID: <079188a0-9eac-521d-c0d0-a0f1cb087cdb@hyperactivesw.com>

On 7/31/22 12:04 AM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:
> 
> I don't think "wait 0" by itself does anything useful. Make a stack with two buttons. Running 
> the script in the first button will prevent mouseUp events in button 2 from being processed.

I think it must do something, "wait 0" is a workaround for bug 22453 (and 18924 which is now 
marked as a duplicate.) I had to use the workaround and it works.

So my take is that any wait allows LC to do housekeeping, and "with messages" also allows 
app-generated messages. I'd like to get a confirmation from the team though.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Sun Jul 31 23:46:38 2022
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2022 20:46:38 -0700
Subject: wait 0 with messages
In-Reply-To: <079188a0-9eac-521d-c0d0-a0f1cb087cdb@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <1cae43a6-063a-8243-cee2-cbf8e3b45e47@researchware.com>
 <73d66312-e94e-aba5-5189-67ed6dc9995e@sonic.net>
 <ab1a0a53-f4f0-ed90-298a-6aaf4a01f7ea@researchware.com>
 <8c7a0ae9-c8c8-14be-aea1-efa3cb915bd0@sonic.net>
 <079188a0-9eac-521d-c0d0-a0f1cb087cdb@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <bc420582-2095-b11c-a5ce-b4824c788520@sonic.net>

On 7/31/22 12:14, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
> On 7/31/22 12:04 AM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:
>>
>> I don't think "wait 0" by itself does anything useful. Make a stack 
>> with two buttons. Running the script in the first button will prevent 
>> mouseUp events in button 2 from being processed.
> 
> I think it must do something, "wait 0" is a workaround for bug 22453 
> (and 18924 which is now marked as a duplicate.) I had to use the 
> workaround and it works.
> 
> So my take is that any wait allows LC to do housekeeping, and "with 
> messages" also allows app-generated messages. I'd like to get a 
> confirmation from the team though.

That's pretty bizarre. I wonder what's going on. All I can think of is 
that processing the wait command gives the java JNI command enough time 
to recover before processing the mobileControlSet vscroll command. And 
ios wouldn't need that extra time because there's no java interaction.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com


From hershelflc at gmail.com  Fri Jul  1 16:24:45 2022
From: hershelflc at gmail.com (Hershel F)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2022 16:24:45 -0400
Subject: sorting datagrids
In-Reply-To: <240E44BA-75A1-4E14-8226-0C874FFFA8CD@iotecdigital.com>
References: <510268AA-C4D4-444A-AE64-99F0307E9C25@gmail.com>
 <240E44BA-75A1-4E14-8226-0C874FFFA8CD@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <C2CA12FD-7E5C-4A69-818F-ACDFD9C62836@gmail.com>

this is more what i’m concerned. i’ll give it a shot and let you know. 
thanks.

> On Jun 30, 2022, at 7:26 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> put the dgText of group "myDataGrid" into tText
> set the itemDelimiter to tab
> 
> repeat with i = 1 to the number of lines of tText
>   put item i of tText into tLine
>   sort items of tLine ascending
>   put tLine into line i of tText
> end repeat
> 
> set the dgText of group "myDataGrid" to tText


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Jul  1 19:49:10 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2022 23:49:10 +0000
Subject: Is LC encryption different for Mac than for Windows??
Message-ID: <F11706E0-D30A-417C-ADE3-241A7DC677FE@iotecdigital.com>

Hi all. 

As I may have mentioned I wrote an SQL Server agent that uses sockets to listen for data from a client. The client first arrayEncodes an array, then encrypts the result using an encryption library I wrote. Then it sends the data to the Server Agent. 

The Agent receives the encrypted stream, decrypts it using the exact same library, arrayDecodes the data, then performs a query against the database and retrieves th data as an array. All that works. 

The agent then arrayEncodes the array and re-encrypts it using THE SAME LIBRARY. It then sends the data back to the client which of course, decrypts it and arrayDecodes it producing the resultant array. All fine and good. But wait there's more! 

When I run the Server Agent on my Macintosh all works as expected. I get an array of the queried data. When I run it on a Windows desktop however, the data coming back is corrupted somehow! The decryption command produces an error: ERROR: (SSL error: wrong final block length)

How can that be? It's the same file I just copy it to the windows machine from the Mac along with the encryption library. Everything should be exactly the same! 

Bob S



From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Jul  1 19:56:33 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2022 23:56:33 +0000
Subject: Is LC encryption different for Mac than for Windows??
In-Reply-To: <F11706E0-D30A-417C-ADE3-241A7DC677FE@iotecdigital.com>
References: <F11706E0-D30A-417C-ADE3-241A7DC677FE@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <AAFD8679-D7D8-4DD5-9C6A-BF7E1BDE6178@iotecdigital.com>

Hmmm... I think I see what is happening. I compared the encrypted string from the server to the string from the client after it received it via the socket connection. I am only getting the last part of the encrypted string! 

So it looks like the socket connections using with message is losing data somehow. 

Bob S


> On Jul 1, 2022, at 16:49 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi all. 
> 
> As I may have mentioned I wrote an SQL Server agent that uses sockets to listen for data from a client. The client first arrayEncodes an array, then encrypts the result using an encryption library I wrote. Then it sends the data to the Server Agent. 
> 
> The Agent receives the encrypted stream, decrypts it using the exact same library, arrayDecodes the data, then performs a query against the database and retrieves th data as an array. All that works. 
> 
> The agent then arrayEncodes the array and re-encrypts it using THE SAME LIBRARY. It then sends the data back to the client which of course, decrypts it and arrayDecodes it producing the resultant array. All fine and good. But wait there's more! 
> 
> When I run the Server Agent on my Macintosh all works as expected. I get an array of the queried data. When I run it on a Windows desktop however, the data coming back is corrupted somehow! The decryption command produces an error: ERROR: (SSL error: wrong final block length)
> 
> How can that be? It's the same file I just copy it to the windows machine from the Mac along with the encryption library. Everything should be exactly the same! 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Jul  1 20:08:33 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2022 00:08:33 +0000
Subject: Is LC encryption different for Mac than for Windows??
In-Reply-To: <AAFD8679-D7D8-4DD5-9C6A-BF7E1BDE6178@iotecdigital.com>
References: <F11706E0-D30A-417C-ADE3-241A7DC677FE@iotecdigital.com>
 <AAFD8679-D7D8-4DD5-9C6A-BF7E1BDE6178@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <21608B73-A6D7-41D9-8FEF-F0AD356A59FD@iotecdigital.com>

Also when I was running it on my Mac, the client in the server we’re running on the same Macintosh. On the windows machine however I’m going over the wire. Should I buy Ineri encoded or something?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 1, 2022, at 16:57, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com> wrote:
> 
> Hmmm... I think I see what is happening. I compared the encrypted string from the server to the string from the client after it received it via the socket connection. I am only getting the last part of the encrypted string! 
> 
> So it looks like the socket connections using with message is losing data somehow. 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Jul 1, 2022, at 16:49 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all. 
>> 
>> As I may have mentioned I wrote an SQL Server agent that uses sockets to listen for data from a client. The client first arrayEncodes an array, then encrypts the result using an encryption library I wrote. Then it sends the data to the Server Agent. 
>> 
>> The Agent receives the encrypted stream, decrypts it using the exact same library, arrayDecodes the data, then performs a query against the database and retrieves th data as an array. All that works. 
>> 
>> The agent then arrayEncodes the array and re-encrypts it using THE SAME LIBRARY. It then sends the data back to the client which of course, decrypts it and arrayDecodes it producing the resultant array. All fine and good. But wait there's more! 
>> 
>> When I run the Server Agent on my Macintosh all works as expected. I get an array of the queried data. When I run it on a Windows desktop however, the data coming back is corrupted somehow! The decryption command produces an error: ERROR: (SSL error: wrong final block length)
>> 
>> How can that be? It's the same file I just copy it to the windows machine from the Mac along with the encryption library. Everything should be exactly the same! 
>> 
>> Bob S
>> 
>> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Jul  1 20:55:26 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2022 00:55:26 +0000
Subject: Is LC encryption different for Mac than for Windows??
In-Reply-To: <21608B73-A6D7-41D9-8FEF-F0AD356A59FD@iotecdigital.com>
References: <F11706E0-D30A-417C-ADE3-241A7DC677FE@iotecdigital.com>
 <AAFD8679-D7D8-4DD5-9C6A-BF7E1BDE6178@iotecdigital.com>
 <21608B73-A6D7-41D9-8FEF-F0AD356A59FD@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <B17A3713-F76F-4E66-88C7-AC543A8F44DC@iotecdigital.com>

<sigh> That's supposed to be Binary Encoding

> On Jul 1, 2022, at 17:08 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Also when I was running it on my Mac, the client in the server we’re running on the same Macintosh. On the windows machine however I’m going over the wire. Should I buy Ineri encoded or something?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Jul  1 21:05:28 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2022 01:05:28 +0000
Subject: Is LC encryption different for Mac than for Windows??
In-Reply-To: <B17A3713-F76F-4E66-88C7-AC543A8F44DC@iotecdigital.com>
References: <F11706E0-D30A-417C-ADE3-241A7DC677FE@iotecdigital.com>
 <AAFD8679-D7D8-4DD5-9C6A-BF7E1BDE6178@iotecdigital.com>
 <21608B73-A6D7-41D9-8FEF-F0AD356A59FD@iotecdigital.com>
 <B17A3713-F76F-4E66-88C7-AC543A8F44DC@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <BA293DDD-F69C-4ED0-A30F-1C95A2FAFA12@iotecdigital.com>

Okay so I base64Encoded the encrypted string before sending over the wire, and base64Decoded on the receiving end. Same thing coming back. I am still getting the error. It's not a problem with sending data over the wire. 

Bob S


> On Jul 1, 2022, at 17:55 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> <sigh> That's supposed to be Binary Encoding
> 
>> On Jul 1, 2022, at 17:08 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Also when I was running it on my Mac, the client in the server we’re running on the same Macintosh. On the windows machine however I’m going over the wire. Should I buy Ineri encoded or something?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
> 
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From phil at pdslabs.net  Fri Jul  1 21:10:52 2022
From: phil at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2022 18:10:52 -0700
Subject: Is LC encryption different for Mac than for Windows??
In-Reply-To: <BA293DDD-F69C-4ED0-A30F-1C95A2FAFA12@iotecdigital.com>
References: <F11706E0-D30A-417C-ADE3-241A7DC677FE@iotecdigital.com>
 <AAFD8679-D7D8-4DD5-9C6A-BF7E1BDE6178@iotecdigital.com>
 <21608B73-A6D7-41D9-8FEF-F0AD356A59FD@iotecdigital.com>
 <B17A3713-F76F-4E66-88C7-AC543A8F44DC@iotecdigital.com>
 <BA293DDD-F69C-4ED0-A30F-1C95A2FAFA12@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <3f535285-9075-bbad-2afa-dc156fff3264@pdslabs.net>

I was about to suggest that - you beat me to it. My client/server apps 
use base64 encode/decode as the final "envelope" for the data before 
network transfer. But I have LC on both ends of the transfer, and you 
may not. But ultimately it shouldn't matter.

Phil Davis


On 7/1/22 6:05 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
> Okay so I base64Encoded the encrypted string before sending over the wire, and base64Decoded on the receiving end. Same thing coming back. I am still getting the error. It's not a problem with sending data over the wire.
>
> Bob S
>
>
>> On Jul 1, 2022, at 17:55 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> <sigh> That's supposed to be Binary Encoding
>>
>>> On Jul 1, 2022, at 17:08 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Also when I was running it on my Mac, the client in the server were running on the same Macintosh. On the windows machine however Im going over the wire. Should I buy Ineri encoded or something?
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Jul  1 21:19:22 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2022 01:19:22 +0000
Subject: Is LC encryption different for Mac than for Windows??
In-Reply-To: <3f535285-9075-bbad-2afa-dc156fff3264@pdslabs.net>
References: <F11706E0-D30A-417C-ADE3-241A7DC677FE@iotecdigital.com>
 <AAFD8679-D7D8-4DD5-9C6A-BF7E1BDE6178@iotecdigital.com>
 <21608B73-A6D7-41D9-8FEF-F0AD356A59FD@iotecdigital.com>
 <B17A3713-F76F-4E66-88C7-AC543A8F44DC@iotecdigital.com>
 <BA293DDD-F69C-4ED0-A30F-1C95A2FAFA12@iotecdigital.com>
 <3f535285-9075-bbad-2afa-dc156fff3264@pdslabs.net>
Message-ID: <4FD9D0C1-A732-4FC1-B162-596F0445DBF0@iotecdigital.com>

I do. The server agent was written in LC and I am running it in a community version. Just to eliminate the possibility that things are different between Community 9.5 and Pro 9.6.8, I am DL'ing the latest (which I am running on the Mac). I'll try with that. 

Basically I encrypt and decrypt using aes256 and a key and salt value I store as constants in both the client and the server. I'm really stumped. This should work as advertised. 

Bob S


> On Jul 1, 2022, at 18:10 , Phil Davis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I was about to suggest that - you beat me to it. My client/server apps use base64 encode/decode as the final "envelope" for the data before network transfer. But I have LC on both ends of the transfer, and you may not. But ultimately it shouldn't matter.
> 
> Phil Davis



From phil at pdslabs.net  Fri Jul  1 21:23:28 2022
From: phil at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2022 18:23:28 -0700
Subject: Is LC encryption different for Mac than for Windows??
In-Reply-To: <3f535285-9075-bbad-2afa-dc156fff3264@pdslabs.net>
References: <F11706E0-D30A-417C-ADE3-241A7DC677FE@iotecdigital.com>
 <AAFD8679-D7D8-4DD5-9C6A-BF7E1BDE6178@iotecdigital.com>
 <21608B73-A6D7-41D9-8FEF-F0AD356A59FD@iotecdigital.com>
 <B17A3713-F76F-4E66-88C7-AC543A8F44DC@iotecdigital.com>
 <BA293DDD-F69C-4ED0-A30F-1C95A2FAFA12@iotecdigital.com>
 <3f535285-9075-bbad-2afa-dc156fff3264@pdslabs.net>
Message-ID: <ca2ad445-7c0b-8565-7d13-d2bb5b5065e0@pdslabs.net>

I don't know about newer LC versions, but some older ones don't do "read 
from socket <socket> until EOF" correctly. Because of that, I added a 
data header containing the length of the data in bytes. On the receiving 
end, something like this happens:

    read from socket <socket> for 1 line
    put it into tLength
    read from socket <socket> for tLength
    put it into tData
    close socket <socket>

I add error-checking of course.

HTH -
Phil


On 7/1/22 6:10 PM, Phil Davis via use-livecode wrote:
> I was about to suggest that - you beat me to it. My client/server apps 
> use base64 encode/decode as the final "envelope" for the data before 
> network transfer. But I have LC on both ends of the transfer, and you 
> may not. But ultimately it shouldn't matter.
>
> Phil Davis
>
>
> On 7/1/22 6:05 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
>> Okay so I base64Encoded the encrypted string before sending over the 
>> wire, and base64Decoded on the receiving end. Same thing coming back. 
>> I am still getting the error. It's not a problem with sending data 
>> over the wire.
>>
>> Bob S
>>
>>
>>> On Jul 1, 2022, at 17:55 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
>>> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> <sigh> That's supposed to be Binary Encoding
>>>
>>>> On Jul 1, 2022, at 17:08 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
>>>> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Also when I was running it on my Mac, the client in the server 
>>>> were running on the same Macintosh. On the windows machine however 
>>>> Im going over the wire. Should I buy Ineri encoded or something?
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
>>> subscription preferences:
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-- 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Jul  1 21:27:26 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2022 01:27:26 +0000
Subject: Is LC encryption different for Mac than for Windows??
In-Reply-To: <ca2ad445-7c0b-8565-7d13-d2bb5b5065e0@pdslabs.net>
References: <F11706E0-D30A-417C-ADE3-241A7DC677FE@iotecdigital.com>
 <AAFD8679-D7D8-4DD5-9C6A-BF7E1BDE6178@iotecdigital.com>
 <21608B73-A6D7-41D9-8FEF-F0AD356A59FD@iotecdigital.com>
 <B17A3713-F76F-4E66-88C7-AC543A8F44DC@iotecdigital.com>
 <BA293DDD-F69C-4ED0-A30F-1C95A2FAFA12@iotecdigital.com>
 <3f535285-9075-bbad-2afa-dc156fff3264@pdslabs.net>
 <ca2ad445-7c0b-8565-7d13-d2bb5b5065e0@pdslabs.net>
Message-ID: <F44AA7DA-0EDE-46C0-95D8-6BFBEB4BD1AE@iotecdigital.com>

OIC. Well I am using the non-blocking method using with message. I don't read from until. All the data should come through then send the message. It may be that there is some kind of limit on the length of the data, but that would suck. Also it doesn't explain why when the client and the server are both running on the Mac, it works flawlessly. A socket is a socket. 

Bob S


> On Jul 1, 2022, at 18:23 , Phil Davis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I don't know about newer LC versions, but some older ones don't do "read from socket <socket> until EOF" correctly. Because of that, I added a data header containing the length of the data in bytes. On the receiving end, something like this happens:
> 
>   read from socket <socket> for 1 line
>   put it into tLength
>   read from socket <socket> for tLength
>   put it into tData
>   close socket <socket>
> 
> I add error-checking of course.
> 
> HTH -
> Phil
> 
> 
> On 7/1/22 6:10 PM, Phil Davis via use-livecode wrote:
>> I was about to suggest that - you beat me to it. My client/server apps use base64 encode/decode as the final "envelope" for the data before network transfer. But I have LC on both ends of the transfer, and you may not. But ultimately it shouldn't matter.
>> 
>> Phil Davis
>> 
>> 
>> On 7/1/22 6:05 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
>>> Okay so I base64Encoded the encrypted string before sending over the wire, and base64Decoded on the receiving end. Same thing coming back. I am still getting the error. It's not a problem with sending data over the wire.
>>> 
>>> Bob S
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 1, 2022, at 17:55 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> <sigh> That's supposed to be Binary Encoding
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 1, 2022, at 17:08 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Also when I was running it on my Mac, the client in the server we’re running on the same Macintosh. On the windows machine however I’m going over the wire. Should I buy Ineri encoded or something?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
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>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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From neville.smythe at optusnet.com.au  Sat Jul  2 20:18:46 2022
From: neville.smythe at optusnet.com.au (Neville Smythe)
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2022 10:18:46 +1000
Subject: Is LC encryption different for Mac than for Windows??
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1656777602.301462.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.1.1656777602.301462.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BEFA7F9A-2C9F-4918-85D5-03700BDA1E0D@optusnet.com.au>

Is socketTimeOut set high enough?


Neville



From ms1 at soas.ac.uk  Sun Jul  3 09:26:24 2022
From: ms1 at soas.ac.uk (Muaath Salih)
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2022 14:26:24 +0100
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <CAN8cKhT_2sp7weJQ3-7A=ujXc=DJQDUtOUxYi_vuCc9KcV_6bA@mail.gmail.com>



From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Sun Jul  3 18:02:14 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2022 22:02:14 +0000
Subject: Is LC encryption different for Mac than for Windows??
In-Reply-To: <BEFA7F9A-2C9F-4918-85D5-03700BDA1E0D@optusnet.com.au>
References: <mailman.1.1656777602.301462.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
 <BEFA7F9A-2C9F-4918-85D5-03700BDA1E0D@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <903A67EB-C6ED-47EC-9683-9747DCF86688@iotecdigital.com>

Ill check later. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 2, 2022, at 17:20, Neville Smythe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Is socketTimeOut set high enough?
> 
> 
> Neville
> 
> 
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From panos.merakos at livecode.com  Mon Jul  4 11:08:50 2022
From: panos.merakos at livecode.com (panagiotis merakos)
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2022 18:08:50 +0300
Subject: [ANN] Release 9.6.8 RC-3
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq-D7RRCo89gw74raX4Ka_o63X8Vv2MVLh1h2=XS72ZEgw@mail.gmail.com>

Dear list members,

We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.8 RC-3.


Getting the Release
===================
You can find the release in your LiveCode account area or get it via the
automatic updater. To find the 9.6.8 RC-3 test release in your LiveCode
account, please scroll down to below the list of stable releases, to find
your available test releases.

Release Contents
================
LiveCode 9.6.8 RC-3 comes with 1 regression bugfix:

- The standalone builder now ensures all executables in a macOS standalone
only contain the requested architectures

For the full list of all fixes, updates and enhancements please see the
release notes:
http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/9_6_8/LiveCodeNotes-9_6_8_rc_3.pdf


Known issues
============
- The Browser widget's native layer is not shown in some Linux distros with
Cinnamon window manager.
- The use of the Browser widget is not supported on Ubuntu 18.04 64 bit LTS
yet.


Required Software
=================
To build iOS apps with LiveCode you must have the appropriate versions of
Xcode as follows:

  - macOS 10.13.4: Xcode 10.1 - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS 12.1
SDK
  - macOS 10.14.4: Xcode 11.3.x - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS
13.2 SDK
  - macOS 10.15.4: Xcode 12.4.x - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS
14.4 SDK
  - macOS 11+  : Xcode 13.2.x - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS 15.2
SDK

There is a full list of working LiveCode/macOS/Xcode combinations here:
https://livecode.com/faq

Note: Whilst we endeavour to release updated versions of LiveCode
supporting the latest Xcode/iOS SDKs as quickly as possible; we strongly
recommend disabling automatic update of Xcode or downloading the specific
version of Xcode required directly from the Apple developer portal and
installing it separately.

Important: From the start of April 2022, Apple is only accepting apps built
using iOS15.x SDKs. This means that, if you wish to submit apps to the
AppStore you will have to be running at least macOS 11 in order to be able
to install the necessary version of Xcode.

To build macOS apps with an Apple architecture slice requires macOS High
Sierra (10.13) or higher.


Feedback
========
Please report any bugs encountered on our quality center at
http://quality.livecode.com/

We have a forum available for discussing LiveCode at
http://forums.livecode.com


Have fun!
The LiveCode Team
--

From mkoob at rogers.com  Mon Jul  4 12:06:54 2022
From: mkoob at rogers.com (Martin Koob)
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2022 12:06:54 -0400
Subject: {OT} Are there any ffmpeg "experts" on this list?
In-Reply-To: <c53d859099158626d1f61a284a83337f@livecode.com>
References: <acc85400-7066-25c8-e2e0-90648af8e3eb@researchware.com>
 <CA+JfEq_5uMjGPGXUUdPeTTY84-9LxFW4bxyZVXss292-4QJrKA@mail.gmail.com>
 <b4593ee5-0c9f-b629-949b-65c70af5a23e@researchware.com>
 <c53d859099158626d1f61a284a83337f@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <2B9CC490-0274-4F09-AB1E-921F14511B68@rogers.com>

Hi Mark

Yes mergAV can be used concatenate videos, resize them, layer them and then export them to a video file.   I wrote an app that did this a while ago on LiveCode 6.7.3.   I haven’t tried using mergAV on LC 9.x.  

It would be nice if there was a set of common commands that could be used to do video editing on either Mac or Windows, just like player object does with video playback.
Probably not a high demand for that though to make it cost effective.

Martin

> On Jun 24, 2022, at 12:23 PM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> FWIW, I *think* mergAV can do similar things on macOS* to the mediafoundation external on Windows - although the APIs, while similar, do require different code.


From paul at researchware.com  Tue Jul  5 17:20:29 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2022 17:20:29 -0400
Subject: Images and arrays...
Message-ID: <ea9b3564-6af6-1f28-9a66-5eadad3b91ec@researchware.com>

I am drawing a blank:

If I have the following code:

                   export snapshot from rect tRect of player 
"mediaConvert" of stack "libHrAPI" to tImage as PNG
                   put tImage into pRefArray[tRef]

The actual image (not a reference, such as a long ID) is placed in the 
tRefArray[tRef] array element

However, if I have a variable tImageID that contains a reference to an 
image such as

image id 10328 of card id 10001 of stack "X"

How do I get that actual Image stored in the array?

put tImageID into pRefArray[tRef] -- results in the array element 
storing the long ID

put (tImageID) into pRefArray[tRef] -- also results in the array element 
storing the long ID. I thought the () might for the long ID to be 
evaluated to an actual image





From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Jul  5 21:47:24 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2022 01:47:24 +0000
Subject: Images and arrays...
In-Reply-To: <ea9b3564-6af6-1f28-9a66-5eadad3b91ec@researchware.com>
References: <ea9b3564-6af6-1f28-9a66-5eadad3b91ec@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <5AC38BAA-8D60-4202-8E21-D0804FBB8A34@iotecdigital.com>

Put the imageData? 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 5, 2022, at 18:40, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I am drawing a blank:
> 
> If I have the following code:
> 
>                   export snapshot from rect tRect of player "mediaConvert" of stack "libHrAPI" to tImage as PNG
>                   put tImage into pRefArray[tRef]
> 
> The actual image (not a reference, such as a long ID) is placed in the tRefArray[tRef] array element
> 
> However, if I have a variable tImageID that contains a reference to an image such as
> 
> image id 10328 of card id 10001 of stack "X"
> 
> How do I get that actual Image stored in the array?
> 
> put tImageID into pRefArray[tRef] -- results in the array element storing the long ID
> 
> put (tImageID) into pRefArray[tRef] -- also results in the array element storing the long ID. I thought the () might for the long ID to be evaluated to an actual image
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Jul  5 21:49:26 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2022 01:49:26 +0000
Subject: Is LC encryption different for Mac than for Windows??
In-Reply-To: <903A67EB-C6ED-47EC-9683-9747DCF86688@iotecdigital.com>
References: <mailman.1.1656777602.301462.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
 <BEFA7F9A-2C9F-4918-85D5-03700BDA1E0D@optusnet.com.au>
 <903A67EB-C6ED-47EC-9683-9747DCF86688@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <3EF815F8-847D-4094-9938-8AA8DF171889@iotecdigital.com>

So strange. I built in some logging, removed the base64 stuff, and now it works! Timing problem of some sort? Who knows. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 3, 2022, at 15:03, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Ill check later. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 2, 2022, at 17:20, Neville Smythe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Is socketTimeOut set high enough?
>> 
>> 
>> Neville
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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From tom at makeshyft.com  Tue Jul  5 23:22:38 2022
From: tom at makeshyft.com (Tom Glod)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2022 23:22:38 -0400
Subject: Images and arrays...
In-Reply-To: <5AC38BAA-8D60-4202-8E21-D0804FBB8A34@iotecdigital.com>
References: <ea9b3564-6af6-1f28-9a66-5eadad3b91ec@researchware.com>
 <5AC38BAA-8D60-4202-8E21-D0804FBB8A34@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CAPzQJLKkRVmttyPD4yeZ8fxOXuCb3=uHaKtgs8FmejY+M3Ed4A@mail.gmail.com>

imagedata does not include alpha

as odd as it sounds .... "the text of image" contains all of the data.

:D

On Tue, Jul 5, 2022 at 9:48 PM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Put the imageData?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jul 5, 2022, at 18:40, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > I am drawing a blank:
> >
> > If I have the following code:
> >
> >                   export snapshot from rect tRect of player
> "mediaConvert" of stack "libHrAPI" to tImage as PNG
> >                   put tImage into pRefArray[tRef]
> >
> > The actual image (not a reference, such as a long ID) is placed in the
> tRefArray[tRef] array element
> >
> > However, if I have a variable tImageID that contains a reference to an
> image such as
> >
> > image id 10328 of card id 10001 of stack "X"
> >
> > How do I get that actual Image stored in the array?
> >
> > put tImageID into pRefArray[tRef] -- results in the array element
> storing the long ID
> >
> > put (tImageID) into pRefArray[tRef] -- also results in the array element
> storing the long ID. I thought the () might for the long ID to be evaluated
> to an actual image
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From neville.smythe at optusnet.com.au  Wed Jul  6 00:57:17 2022
From: neville.smythe at optusnet.com.au (Neville Smythe)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2022 14:57:17 +1000
Subject: Is LC encryption different for Mac than for Windows??
Message-ID: <1DF8F62E-8EEE-4FB9-9F92-04F5C43AC6E7@optusnet.com.au>

Bob Sneider wrote
> So strange. I built in some logging, removed the base64 stuff, and now it 
> works! Timing problem of some sort? Who knows. 

That’s what I was inferring. I’d suggest you increase socketTimeOut to avoid the problem recurring (or reduce it if you want to test that timing was the problem!)

It may well be that

> A socket is a socket

but performance ain’t performance

Neville


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Jul  6 11:15:17 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2022 15:15:17 +0000
Subject: Is LC encryption different for Mac than for Windows??
In-Reply-To: <1DF8F62E-8EEE-4FB9-9F92-04F5C43AC6E7@optusnet.com.au>
References: <1DF8F62E-8EEE-4FB9-9F92-04F5C43AC6E7@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <4521035E-856F-4C0D-AF6E-643C0E8D2B3B@iotecdigital.com>

Thanks. I still have to test outside the network. If I have issues I will definitely check the socketTimeoutInterval. Currently it is 10000. I take it that is milliseconds. 

Bob S


> On Jul 5, 2022, at 21:57 , Neville Smythe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Bob Sneider wrote
>> So strange. I built in some logging, removed the base64 stuff, and now it 
>> works! Timing problem of some sort? Who knows. 
> 
> That’s what I was inferring. I’d suggest you increase socketTimeOut to avoid the problem recurring (or reduce it if you want to test that timing was the problem!)
> 
> It may well be that
> 
>> A socket is a socket
> 
> but performance ain’t performance
> 
> Neville
> 
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From panos.merakos at livecode.com  Fri Jul  8 08:03:55 2022
From: panos.merakos at livecode.com (panagiotis merakos)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2022 15:03:55 +0300
Subject: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.8
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq9kw1C9=WHBSY=F9NoVz7eGKM3BocQOpj_Bj4L-C28A8A@mail.gmail.com>

Dear list members,

We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.8 STABLE

You can find more details on the bug fixes and improvements of this new
release here:

https://livecode.com/livecode-9-6-8-stable-m1-and-onwards-apple-architecture-support/

You can find the release in your LiveCode account area or get it via the
automatic updater.

Enjoy!

Kind regards
The LiveCode Team
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From markclark at mac.com  Fri Jul  8 13:21:55 2022
From: markclark at mac.com (Mark Clark)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2022 12:21:55 -0500
Subject: MegaBundle whatnot
Message-ID: <CDD98B84-53B7-493F-B620-EF55CB7190D3@mac.com>

I went ahead and purchased the megabundle, mostly for the LC Enhancement piece. Got that download and clicked the install widgets and the widgets all show “unlicensed.” Hmm, what?

Tried to re-license and for some reason I only see my business license as an option (also have the old commercial license whatever that maps to now). So, np figure it out later, selected business license and LC starts but the enhancements still show unlicensed. Is there something manual I’m missing? 

TIA,
Mark (on digest mode)

From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Jul  8 13:34:30 2022
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2022 10:34:30 -0700
Subject: Tree Widget: hilitedValue?
Message-ID: <40617774-9e2b-4c3d-7cbe-df34553aab16@fourthworld.com>

I see the Tree widget supports a hilitedElement property, which is 
useful for managing the selection in the UI.

Is there a one-liner for obtaining not the element path but the value?

It wouldn't kill me to extract the arrayData and turn a hilitedElement 
path like:

   level1,level2,level3,

...into a proper array notation to obtain the value at:

   tArray["level1"]["level2"]["level3"]

But it seems such a common need I'm guessing I'm overlooking a more 
direct way to do that.

TIA -

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com


From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Fri Jul  8 15:00:23 2022
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2022 21:00:23 +0200
Subject: MegaBundle whatnot
In-Reply-To: <CDD98B84-53B7-493F-B620-EF55CB7190D3@mac.com>
References: <CDD98B84-53B7-493F-B620-EF55CB7190D3@mac.com>
Message-ID: <F108D036-0B45-4FB5-B31F-F595DF7B6174@m-r-d.de>

Mark,

that seems to be a problem with Indy and Business licenses. I can reproduce it here with an Indy license. Seems, the Enh.Pack needs to be modified a little bit.;)

As you are on digest mode and i do not know when you read this, I've filed a bug already to speed it up a little bit.

https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23799 <https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23799>

Maybe you want to add yourself to the CC list.

Regards,
Matthias


> Am 08.07.2022 um 19:21 schrieb Mark Clark via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> I went ahead and purchased the megabundle, mostly for the LC Enhancement piece. Got that download and clicked the install widgets and the widgets all show “unlicensed.” Hmm, what?
> 
> Tried to re-license and for some reason I only see my business license as an option (also have the old commercial license whatever that maps to now). So, np figure it out later, selected business license and LC starts but the enhancements still show unlicensed. Is there something manual I’m missing? 
> 
> TIA,
> Mark (on digest mode)
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Jul  8 19:14:40 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2022 23:14:40 +0000
Subject: Encrypted Data over Sockets
Message-ID: <FF0057BE-4B5F-4D66-8F6D-117760E44A22@iotecdigital.com>

Hi all. 

I'm running into a curious thing. I am sending encrypted data over a socket connection. When I send the data, I am using blocking mode, where the commands look like this:

         if tCurrentConnectionA ["ssl"] is true then
            put slyEncrypt(tSocketData) into tSocketData
         end if
         
         close socket tSocket -- in case it was left open
         open socket to tSocket
         write tSocketData & linefeed to socket tSocket
         read from socket tSocket until linefeed
         put it into tReceivedData
         
         if the last char of tReceivedData is linefeed then \
               delete last char of tReceivedData
         
         close socket tSocket
         
         if tCurrentConnectionA ["ssl"] is true then
            put slyDecrypt(tReceivedData) into tReceivedData
         end if

Now just to belay questions that might be asked, I know that the read from socket is working because I get a salted hash back, so the server is doing what it is supposed to on the other end. 

However when I go to decrypt the hash I am SOMETIMES getting the dreaded Wrong final block length as an error. Curiously, sometimes it works! 

My suspicion is that the hash contains a linefeed (sometimes). So the question I have is, what character is GUARANTEED to NOT be in an aes256 hash? I need a delimiter. Read from socket until eof fails with a timeout. That is intensly unfortunate by the way, it ought to work. 

Bob S



From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Fri Jul  8 19:35:41 2022
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2022 16:35:41 -0700
Subject: Encrypted Data over Sockets
In-Reply-To: <FF0057BE-4B5F-4D66-8F6D-117760E44A22@iotecdigital.com>
References: <FF0057BE-4B5F-4D66-8F6D-117760E44A22@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <ac255d29-5ef6-bf32-abeb-b624197aaabd@sonic.net>

On 7/8/22 16:14, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:

> My suspicion is that the hash contains a linefeed (sometimes). So the question I have is, what character is GUARANTEED to NOT be in an aes256 hash?

Not a valid question.

If you really need to send binary data over a socket connection, start 
by sending a header that contains the data length. Extract that and then 
read that many bytes.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Jul  8 19:49:22 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2022 23:49:22 +0000
Subject: Encrypted Data over Sockets
In-Reply-To: <ac255d29-5ef6-bf32-abeb-b624197aaabd@sonic.net>
References: <FF0057BE-4B5F-4D66-8F6D-117760E44A22@iotecdigital.com>
 <ac255d29-5ef6-bf32-abeb-b624197aaabd@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <9CFC5800-6F23-473F-8277-2247C77B5F0D@iotecdigital.com>

Well I disabled encryption alltogether, sending and receiving an encoded array instead. Upon trying to decode I still get an error, and looking at what I get back, it LOOKS like an encoded array. They is just something wrong with the data. Curiously, if I just send and receive plain text it works every time. 

Bob S


> On Jul 8, 2022, at 16:35 , Mark Wieder via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> On 7/8/22 16:14, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
> 
>> My suspicion is that the hash contains a linefeed (sometimes). So the question I have is, what character is GUARANTEED to NOT be in an aes256 hash?
> 
> Not a valid question.
> 
> If you really need to send binary data over a socket connection, start by sending a header that contains the data length. Extract that and then read that many bytes.
> 
> -- 
> Mark Wieder
> ahsoftware at gmail.com
> 
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From alex at tweedly.net  Fri Jul  8 20:47:07 2022
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2022 01:47:07 +0100
Subject: Encrypted Data over Sockets
In-Reply-To: <9CFC5800-6F23-473F-8277-2247C77B5F0D@iotecdigital.com>
References: <FF0057BE-4B5F-4D66-8F6D-117760E44A22@iotecdigital.com>
 <ac255d29-5ef6-bf32-abeb-b624197aaabd@sonic.net>
 <9CFC5800-6F23-473F-8277-2247C77B5F0D@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <11cf1e98-486c-bd59-1fa6-dc0c620c91a9@tweedly.net>

But, an encoded array is STILL binary data. So any issues with "read 
until linefeed" will still exist.

Try sending a header with number of bytes, followed by the bytes.

If you really wanted, you could do:

    write  (the number of bytes in tSocketData) & linefeed to socket tSocket
    write tSocketData & linefeed to socket tSocket

and then when you read,

    read from socket tSocket until linefeed
    put it into tNumBytes
    read from socket tSocket until linefeed
    put it into tData

and compare tNumbytes with the number of bytes in tData

Or, just do

    read tnumbytes form socket tSocket

Alex.

On 09/07/2022 00:49, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
> Well I disabled encryption alltogether, sending and receiving an encoded array instead. Upon trying to decode I still get an error, and looking at what I get back, it LOOKS like an encoded array. They is just something wrong with the data. Curiously, if I just send and receive plain text it works every time.
>
> Bob S
>
>
>> On Jul 8, 2022, at 16:35 , Mark Wieder via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> On 7/8/22 16:14, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
>>
>>> My suspicion is that the hash contains a linefeed (sometimes). So the question I have is, what character is GUARANTEED to NOT be in an aes256 hash?
>> Not a valid question.
>>
>> If you really need to send binary data over a socket connection, start by sending a header that contains the data length. Extract that and then read that many bytes.
>>
>> -- 
>> Mark Wieder
>> ahsoftware at gmail.com
>>
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From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Fri Jul  8 20:48:41 2022
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2022 17:48:41 -0700
Subject: Encrypted Data over Sockets
In-Reply-To: <9CFC5800-6F23-473F-8277-2247C77B5F0D@iotecdigital.com>
References: <FF0057BE-4B5F-4D66-8F6D-117760E44A22@iotecdigital.com>
 <ac255d29-5ef6-bf32-abeb-b624197aaabd@sonic.net>
 <9CFC5800-6F23-473F-8277-2247C77B5F0D@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <49890233-a7b7-4437-8f1d-91d38f1ebf91@sonic.net>

On 7/8/22 16:49, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
> Well I disabled encryption alltogether, sending and receiving an encoded array instead. Upon trying to decode I still get an error, and looking at what I get back, it LOOKS like an encoded array. They is just something wrong with the data. Curiously, if I just send and receive plain text it works every time.

Not sure what "looks like" an encoded array should mean.
When you encode an array you get binary data. You can't treat it like text.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com


From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Fri Jul  8 20:58:03 2022
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2022 17:58:03 -0700
Subject: Encrypted Data over Sockets
In-Reply-To: <11cf1e98-486c-bd59-1fa6-dc0c620c91a9@tweedly.net>
References: <FF0057BE-4B5F-4D66-8F6D-117760E44A22@iotecdigital.com>
 <ac255d29-5ef6-bf32-abeb-b624197aaabd@sonic.net>
 <9CFC5800-6F23-473F-8277-2247C77B5F0D@iotecdigital.com>
 <11cf1e98-486c-bd59-1fa6-dc0c620c91a9@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <d8afb006-eded-fd49-680d-f242e9a1b1f6@sonic.net>

On 7/8/22 17:47, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:
> But, an encoded array is STILL binary data. So any issues with "read 
> until linefeed" will still exist.
> 
> Try sending a header with number of bytes, followed by the bytes.

Yeah.
What he said.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Jul  8 22:14:42 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2022 02:14:42 +0000
Subject: Encrypted Data over Sockets
In-Reply-To: <49890233-a7b7-4437-8f1d-91d38f1ebf91@sonic.net>
References: <FF0057BE-4B5F-4D66-8F6D-117760E44A22@iotecdigital.com>
 <ac255d29-5ef6-bf32-abeb-b624197aaabd@sonic.net>
 <9CFC5800-6F23-473F-8277-2247C77B5F0D@iotecdigital.com>
 <49890233-a7b7-4437-8f1d-91d38f1ebf91@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <D1C9158B-4793-41AE-83D0-138B50F3A67C@iotecdigital.com>

It looks after the agent receives it generally like how it looked after I encoded the array but before I sent it. Obviously it's not the same. Something is corrupting it over the wire. I am not even using encryption now, just sending the encoded array data and a delimiter. When it decodes on the other end now, arrayDecode fails. 

I guess the question I *should* be asking is, how do I encode binary data to be sent over the wire so that it doesn't become corrupted? 

Bob S


> On Jul 8, 2022, at 17:48 , Mark Wieder via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> On 7/8/22 16:49, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
>> Well I disabled encryption alltogether, sending and receiving an encoded array instead. Upon trying to decode I still get an error, and looking at what I get back, it LOOKS like an encoded array. They is just something wrong with the data. Curiously, if I just send and receive plain text it works every time.
> 
> Not sure what "looks like" an encoded array should mean.
> When you encode an array you get binary data. You can't treat it like text.
> 
> -- 
> Mark Wieder
> ahsoftware at gmail.com
> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Jul  8 22:47:40 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2022 02:47:40 +0000
Subject: Encrypted Data over Sockets
In-Reply-To: <D1C9158B-4793-41AE-83D0-138B50F3A67C@iotecdigital.com>
References: <FF0057BE-4B5F-4D66-8F6D-117760E44A22@iotecdigital.com>
 <ac255d29-5ef6-bf32-abeb-b624197aaabd@sonic.net>
 <9CFC5800-6F23-473F-8277-2247C77B5F0D@iotecdigital.com>
 <49890233-a7b7-4437-8f1d-91d38f1ebf91@sonic.net>
 <D1C9158B-4793-41AE-83D0-138B50F3A67C@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <4B7BF8DA-6182-41EF-A409-252A4B8B8D6B@iotecdigital.com>

Okay apparently base64Encode/Decode is my friend. I have this working now without encryption. I will re-enable encryption and see if that works. 

Bob S


> On Jul 8, 2022, at 19:14 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> It looks after the agent receives it generally like how it looked after I encoded the array but before I sent it. Obviously it's not the same. Something is corrupting it over the wire. I am not even using encryption now, just sending the encoded array data and a delimiter. When it decodes on the other end now, arrayDecode fails. 
> 
> I guess the question I *should* be asking is, how do I encode binary data to be sent over the wire so that it doesn't become corrupted? 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Jul 8, 2022, at 17:48 , Mark Wieder via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> On 7/8/22 16:49, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
>>> Well I disabled encryption alltogether, sending and receiving an encoded array instead. Upon trying to decode I still get an error, and looking at what I get back, it LOOKS like an encoded array. They is just something wrong with the data. Curiously, if I just send and receive plain text it works every time.
>> 
>> Not sure what "looks like" an encoded array should mean.
>> When you encode an array you get binary data. You can't treat it like text.
>> 
>> -- 
>> Mark Wieder
>> ahsoftware at gmail.com
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Jul  8 22:53:58 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2022 02:53:58 +0000
Subject: Encrypted Data over Sockets
In-Reply-To: <D1C9158B-4793-41AE-83D0-138B50F3A67C@iotecdigital.com>
References: <FF0057BE-4B5F-4D66-8F6D-117760E44A22@iotecdigital.com>
 <ac255d29-5ef6-bf32-abeb-b624197aaabd@sonic.net>
 <9CFC5800-6F23-473F-8277-2247C77B5F0D@iotecdigital.com>
 <49890233-a7b7-4437-8f1d-91d38f1ebf91@sonic.net>
 <D1C9158B-4793-41AE-83D0-138B50F3A67C@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <0FE598F2-3CF3-4D4E-8300-F608B3D8897E@iotecdigital.com>

Hi all. 

Thanks for putting up with me. I finally got it all to work using base64Encode/Decode on the encrypted string before sending it with a delimiter appended. Same thing coming back. 

Thank for all your patience. I almost became a patient myself. 

Bob S


> On Jul 8, 2022, at 19:14 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> It looks after the agent receives it generally like how it looked after I encoded the array but before I sent it. Obviously it's not the same. Something is corrupting it over the wire. I am not even using encryption now, just sending the encoded array data and a delimiter. When it decodes on the other end now, arrayDecode fails. 
> 
> I guess the question I *should* be asking is, how do I encode binary data to be sent over the wire so that it doesn't become corrupted? 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Jul 8, 2022, at 17:48 , Mark Wieder via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> On 7/8/22 16:49, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
>>> Well I disabled encryption alltogether, sending and receiving an encoded array instead. Upon trying to decode I still get an error, and looking at what I get back, it LOOKS like an encoded array. They is just something wrong with the data. Curiously, if I just send and receive plain text it works every time.
>> 
>> Not sure what "looks like" an encoded array should mean.
>> When you encode an array you get binary data. You can't treat it like text.
>> 
>> -- 
>> Mark Wieder
>> ahsoftware at gmail.com
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Sat Jul  9 03:39:50 2022
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2022 09:39:50 +0200
Subject: MegaBundle whatnot
In-Reply-To: <F108D036-0B45-4FB5-B31F-F595DF7B6174@m-r-d.de>
References: <F108D036-0B45-4FB5-B31F-F595DF7B6174@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <96C795BD-3743-4913-AEDF-2D5D1C17E723@m-r-d.de>

Mark,
What I forgot.

I assume you have a current subscription, right?
So why do you not try a newer LC release; one of the new editions without Indy and business in the name? Anything higher than 9.63 should do. 

Regards
Matthias

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

> Am 08.07.2022 um 21:01 schrieb matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de:
> 
> Mark,
> 
> that seems to be a problem with Indy and Business licenses. I can reproduce it here with an Indy license. Seems, the Enh.Pack needs to be modified a little bit.;)
> 
> As you are on digest mode and i do not know when you read this, I've filed a bug already to speed it up a little bit.
> 
> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23799
> 
> Maybe you want to add yourself to the CC list.
> 
> Regards,
> Matthias
> 
> 
>> Am 08.07.2022 um 19:21 schrieb Mark Clark via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>> 
>> I went ahead and purchased the megabundle, mostly for the LC Enhancement piece. Got that download and clicked the install widgets and the widgets all show “unlicensed.” Hmm, what?
>> 
>> Tried to re-license and for some reason I only see my business license as an option (also have the old commercial license whatever that maps to now). So, np figure it out later, selected business license and LC starts but the enhancements still show unlicensed. Is there something manual I’m missing? 
>> 
>> TIA,
>> Mark (on digest mode)
>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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From kaveh at rivervalleytechnologies.com  Sat Jul  9 07:41:26 2022
From: kaveh at rivervalleytechnologies.com (Kaveh)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2022 12:41:26 +0100
Subject: MegaBundle whatnot
In-Reply-To: <96C795BD-3743-4913-AEDF-2D5D1C17E723@m-r-d.de>
References: <F108D036-0B45-4FB5-B31F-F595DF7B6174@m-r-d.de>
 <96C795BD-3743-4913-AEDF-2D5D1C17E723@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <CAJ2R9piz-OwNStU0p7ORqPVerv7z8Pe52GKMfUrbSG_E=TVKTQ@mail.gmail.com>

Why does LiveCode make the licenses so complicated? I try to understand
from time to time so I can repurchase, then give up...

On Sat, 9 Jul 2022 at 08:41, Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Mark,
> What I forgot.
>
> I assume you have a current subscription, right?
> So why do you not try a newer LC release; one of the new editions without
> Indy and business in the name? Anything higher than 9.63 should do.
>
> Regards
> Matthias
>
> Von meinem iPhone gesendet
>
> > Am 08.07.2022 um 21:01 schrieb matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de:
> >
> > Mark,
> >
> > that seems to be a problem with Indy and Business licenses. I can
> reproduce it here with an Indy license. Seems, the Enh.Pack needs to be
> modified a little bit.;)
> >
> > As you are on digest mode and i do not know when you read this, I've
> filed a bug already to speed it up a little bit.
> >
> > https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23799
> >
> > Maybe you want to add yourself to the CC list.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Matthias
> >
> >
> >> Am 08.07.2022 um 19:21 schrieb Mark Clark via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> >>
> >> I went ahead and purchased the megabundle, mostly for the LC
> Enhancement piece. Got that download and clicked the install widgets and
> the widgets all show “unlicensed.” Hmm, what?
> >>
> >> Tried to re-license and for some reason I only see my business license
> as an option (also have the old commercial license whatever that maps to
> now). So, np figure it out later, selected business license and LC starts
> but the enhancements still show unlicensed. Is there something manual I’m
> missing?
> >>
> >> TIA,
> >> Mark (on digest mode)
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> use-livecode mailing list
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >
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From jbv at souslelogo.com  Sat Jul  9 07:43:03 2022
From: jbv at souslelogo.com (jbv at souslelogo.com)
Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2022 07:43:03 -0400
Subject: LC 9.6.8 and UTF-8 on MacOS 10.15
Message-ID: <69ee56759df71bf88f08157d1a83d302@souslelogo.com>

Hi list,

I have a serie of text files in UTF-8 format for which I need to do some 
processing in LC,
and then save to a single text file also in UTF-8.
I am using the following code :

       open file tpath for UTF8 read
       read from file tpath until EOF
       close file tpath1
       --put it into tfile
       put textdecode(it,"UTF-8") into tfile

--    processing

       open file tpath2 for UTF8 write
       write liste_credits to file tpath2
       close file tpath2

If I use "put it into tfile" instead of "put textDecode...", the text 
content is full of typical
gibberish (such as "" instead of "").
I thought the latest LC versions could process UTF-8 natively. So why is 
"textdecode" necessary
to obtain special characters in their true form ?
Thank you in advance.

jbv


From sean at pidigital.co.uk  Sat Jul  9 08:50:49 2022
From: sean at pidigital.co.uk (Pi Digital)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2022 13:50:49 +0100
Subject: LC 9.6.8 and UTF-8 on MacOS 10.15
In-Reply-To: <69ee56759df71bf88f08157d1a83d302@souslelogo.com>
References: <69ee56759df71bf88f08157d1a83d302@souslelogo.com>
Message-ID: <806C3DD1-5EAA-48F5-B8BD-4FAE343D2609@pidigital.co.uk>

What result do you get from:
put it contains “æ”

Sean Cole
Pi

> On 9 Jul 2022, at 12:43, jbv via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> æ

From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Sat Jul  9 11:37:21 2022
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2022 08:37:21 -0700
Subject: Encrypted Data over Sockets
In-Reply-To: <4B7BF8DA-6182-41EF-A409-252A4B8B8D6B@iotecdigital.com>
References: <FF0057BE-4B5F-4D66-8F6D-117760E44A22@iotecdigital.com>
 <ac255d29-5ef6-bf32-abeb-b624197aaabd@sonic.net>
 <9CFC5800-6F23-473F-8277-2247C77B5F0D@iotecdigital.com>
 <49890233-a7b7-4437-8f1d-91d38f1ebf91@sonic.net>
 <D1C9158B-4793-41AE-83D0-138B50F3A67C@iotecdigital.com>
 <4B7BF8DA-6182-41EF-A409-252A4B8B8D6B@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <62687332-7e51-8e02-2709-98c18073ea4f@sonic.net>

On 7/8/22 19:47, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
> Okay apparently base64Encode/Decode is my friend. I have this working now without encryption. I will re-enable encryption and see if that works.

Base64 encoding will do the trick but at the expense of making your data 
strings twice as long as the binary equivalents.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com


From dan at clearvisiontech.com  Sat Jul  9 15:07:44 2022
From: dan at clearvisiontech.com (Dan Friedman)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2022 19:07:44 +0000
Subject: Signing and Uploading apps to the Mac App Store HELL!
Message-ID: <6AECE726-DF3C-4B4B-BE69-5757F25B2C2C@clearvisiontech.com>

Greetings!  I am pulling out my hair in getting my app prepared for the MacApp Store (and for downloading from my website).  I can't take it anymore!!   Is there someone here I can pay to either do this for me, or walk me through this hideous process?

-Dan


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Jul  9 16:17:23 2022
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2022 15:17:23 -0500
Subject: Tree Widget: hilitedValue?
In-Reply-To: <40617774-9e2b-4c3d-7cbe-df34553aab16@fourthworld.com>
References: <40617774-9e2b-4c3d-7cbe-df34553aab16@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <1d6413a2-e2fc-5676-c21c-ffe1be21f960@hyperactivesw.com>

On 7/8/22 12:34 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:
> I see the Tree widget supports a hilitedElement property, which is useful for managing the 
> selection in the UI.
> 
> Is there a one-liner for obtaining not the element path but the value?

I'm using an older version, but here the hilitedElement includes the values of each element in 
the path.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Jul  9 17:07:01 2022
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2022 16:07:01 -0500
Subject: Tree Widget: hilitedValue?
In-Reply-To: <1d6413a2-e2fc-5676-c21c-ffe1be21f960@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <40617774-9e2b-4c3d-7cbe-df34553aab16@fourthworld.com>
 <1d6413a2-e2fc-5676-c21c-ffe1be21f960@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <3aacafc7-a26e-c55f-107c-7272cdc86794@hyperactivesw.com>

On 7/9/22 3:17 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
> On 7/8/22 12:34 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:
>> I see the Tree widget supports a hilitedElement property, which is useful for managing the 
>> selection in the UI.
>>
>> Is there a one-liner for obtaining not the element path but the value?
> 
> I'm using an older version, but here the hilitedElement includes the values of each element in 
> the path.
> 

I misunderstood, you don't mean just the names of the elements. The value shows up as part of 
the tree unless you turn off "show values". I think you'll have to parse the array to actually 
get the values in a leaf.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From markclark at mac.com  Sat Jul  9 19:25:10 2022
From: markclark at mac.com (Mark Clark)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2022 18:25:10 -0500
Subject: use-livecode Digest, Vol 226, Issue 8
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1657382401.403523.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.3.1657382401.403523.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <9AC9115B-E414-471E-8729-107880559181@mac.com>

Hey, saw your post  this am and much appreciated. I sent a request to support as well. 

Thanks for the assist and confirmation!

Mark

It seems that each time I sign up for the bug tracker and or forums my main livecode.com <http://livecode.com/> password gets mangled. Been happening for years and if I remember I’ll ask for support help there. Likely something to do with keychain being confused about similar url’s.

> On Jul 9, 2022, at 11:00 AM, use-livecode-request at lists.runrev.com wrote:
> 
> As you are on digest mode and i do not know when you read this, I've filed a bug already to speed it up a little bit.
> 
> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23799 <https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23799> <https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23799 <https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23799>>
> 
> Maybe you want to add yourself to the CC list.
> 
> Regards,
> Matthias


From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Sat Jul  9 19:34:49 2022
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2022 01:34:49 +0200
Subject: use-livecode Digest, Vol 226, Issue 8
In-Reply-To: <9AC9115B-E414-471E-8729-107880559181@mac.com>
References: <mailman.3.1657382401.403523.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
 <9AC9115B-E414-471E-8729-107880559181@mac.com>
Message-ID: <1F9D5EFE-55D7-4B15-93B8-4DF55115FF7B@m-r-d.de>



> Am 10.07.2022 um 01:25 schrieb Mark Clark via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Hey, saw your post  this am and much appreciated. I sent a request to support as well. 
> 
> Thanks for the assist and confirmation!
> 
> Mark
> 
> It seems that each time I sign up for the bug tracker and or forums my main livecode.com <http://livecode.com/> password gets mangled. Been happening for years and if I remember I’ll ask for support help there. Likely something to do with keychain being confused about similar url’s.
> 
The easiest way to see if it is really a keychain thing is, search for livecode in KeyChain.app and delete all Livecode entries and then reset your password for Livecode.com <http://livecode.com/> account and the QualityCenter.

Regards,
Matthias


>> On Jul 9, 2022, at 11:00 AM, use-livecode-request at lists.runrev.com wrote:
>> 
>> As you are on digest mode and i do not know when you read this, I've filed a bug already to speed it up a little bit.
>> 
>> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23799 <https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23799> <https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23799 <https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23799>>
>> 
>> Maybe you want to add yourself to the CC list.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Matthias
> 
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From brian at milby7.com  Sat Jul  9 20:11:29 2022
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2022 20:11:29 -0400
Subject: Tree Widget: hilitedValue?
In-Reply-To: <3aacafc7-a26e-c55f-107c-7272cdc86794@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <40617774-9e2b-4c3d-7cbe-df34553aab16@fourthworld.com>
 <1d6413a2-e2fc-5676-c21c-ffe1be21f960@hyperactivesw.com>
 <3aacafc7-a26e-c55f-107c-7272cdc86794@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <CA+yhkRZFX5_fN3=VomXM9j7+c2=QYM4CvYBWYJvF6M+-H0VB4g@mail.gmail.com>

I don't think there is an existing one liner, but it can be done a couple
ways.

Here is a recursive function defined in the PI code for Custom Props:

on fetchArrayDataOnPath pPath, pArray, @rData
   local tKey
   put item 1 of pPath into tKey
   if the number of items in pPath is 1 then
      if tKey is not among the keys of pArray then
         return "no such key"
      else
         put pArray[tKey] into rData
         return empty
      end if
   else
      delete item 1 of pPath
      fetchArrayDataOnPath pPath, pArray[tKey], rData
   end if
end fetchArrayDataOnPath

There are other handlers in that script that could be useful as well
(add/set/delete).

You could also turn the path into an array (but lose the error checking
above):

function getValue pArray, pPath
   split pPath by comma
   return pArray[pPath]
end getValue

Thanks,
Brian

On Sat, Jul 9, 2022 at 5:08 PM J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> On 7/9/22 3:17 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
> > On 7/8/22 12:34 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:
> >> I see the Tree widget supports a hilitedElement property, which is
> useful for managing the
> >> selection in the UI.
> >>
> >> Is there a one-liner for obtaining not the element path but the value?
> >
> > I'm using an older version, but here the hilitedElement includes the
> values of each element in
> > the path.
> >
>
> I misunderstood, you don't mean just the names of the elements. The value
> shows up as part of
> the tree unless you turn off "show values". I think you'll have to parse
> the array to actually
> get the values in a leaf.
>
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>
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From paul at researchware.com  Sun Jul 10 12:58:16 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2022 12:58:16 -0400
Subject: macOS Ventura (13.x.x)...
Message-ID: <d5e67423-cdb5-00c6-7b53-1811e161e16f@researchware.com>

Is anyone out there in Livecode land running a developer beta of macOS 
Ventura (13.x.x)?

If so, I am hoping you can perform a quick test:

systemVersion() returns 10.16 for macOS Big Sur or Monterey under 
Livecode 9.6.7 and earlier (in the 9.6.x versions). The systemVersion() 
bug was just fixed in LC 9.6.8.

I'd like to ask if someone on Ventura (13.x.x) can run LC 9.6.7 or any 
9.6.x less than 9.6.8) and confirm that systemVersion() also reports 
10.16 for macOS Ventura - i.e. that the systemVersion() bug behaves the 
same way under Ventura for recent versions of LC less than LC 9.6.8.

Thank you to anyone that can do this test in advance,

Paul Dupuis
Researchware


From colinholgate at gmail.com  Sun Jul 10 13:26:31 2022
From: colinholgate at gmail.com (Colin Holgate)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2022 11:26:31 -0600
Subject: macOS Ventura (13.x.x)...
In-Reply-To: <d5e67423-cdb5-00c6-7b53-1811e161e16f@researchware.com>
References: <d5e67423-cdb5-00c6-7b53-1811e161e16f@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <C049455B-82E1-4B0D-8CF8-BA856B380C2B@gmail.com>

With 9.6.3 Community version, showing the message box, or the script window of a button, crashes LiveCode right away.

Opening a stack made in 9.6.3 with Monterey, does show 10.16.0 when run in 9.6.3 in Ventura.


> On Jul 10, 2022, at 10:58 AM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Is anyone out there in Livecode land running a developer beta of macOS Ventura (13.x.x)?
> 
> If so, I am hoping you can perform a quick test:
> 
> systemVersion() returns 10.16 for macOS Big Sur or Monterey under Livecode 9.6.7 and earlier (in the 9.6.x versions). The systemVersion() bug was just fixed in LC 9.6.8.
> 
> I'd like to ask if someone on Ventura (13.x.x) can run LC 9.6.7 or any 9.6.x less than 9.6.8) and confirm that systemVersion() also reports 10.16 for macOS Ventura - i.e. that the systemVersion() bug behaves the same way under Ventura for recent versions of LC less than LC 9.6.8.
> 
> Thank you to anyone that can do this test in advance,
> 
> Paul Dupuis
> Researchware
> 
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From paul at researchware.com  Sun Jul 10 14:29:08 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2022 14:29:08 -0400
Subject: macOS Ventura (13.x.x)...
In-Reply-To: <C049455B-82E1-4B0D-8CF8-BA856B380C2B@gmail.com>
References: <d5e67423-cdb5-00c6-7b53-1811e161e16f@researchware.com>
 <C049455B-82E1-4B0D-8CF8-BA856B380C2B@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9feab550-465d-f0f3-9754-cf7ba7c96259@researchware.com>

On 7/10/2022 1:26 PM, Colin Holgate via use-livecode wrote:
> With 9.6.3 Community version, showing the message box, or the script window of a button, crashes LiveCode right away.
>
> Opening a stack made in 9.6.3 with Monterey, does show 10.16.0 when run in 9.6.3 in Ventura.
>
>

Thank you.



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sun Jul 10 16:33:15 2022
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2022 13:33:15 -0700
Subject: Tree Widget: hilitedValue?
In-Reply-To: <CA+yhkRZFX5_fN3=VomXM9j7+c2=QYM4CvYBWYJvF6M+-H0VB4g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+yhkRZFX5_fN3=VomXM9j7+c2=QYM4CvYBWYJvF6M+-H0VB4g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9c1a8fdb-0e03-9389-dd6c-ddc85be232f3@fourthworld.com>

Brian Milby wrote:

 > You could also turn the path into an array (but lose the error
 > checking above):
 >
 > function getValue pArray, pPath
 >   split pPath by comma
 >   return pArray[pPath]
 > end getValue

Thanks, Brian. I keep forgetting we can use an array as an element 
specifier.

Has that been around the whole time, or was it added in recent years?

-- 
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  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Jul 10 16:45:35 2022
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2022 15:45:35 -0500
Subject: Tree Widget: hilitedValue?
In-Reply-To: <CA+yhkRZFX5_fN3=VomXM9j7+c2=QYM4CvYBWYJvF6M+-H0VB4g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <40617774-9e2b-4c3d-7cbe-df34553aab16@fourthworld.com>
 <1d6413a2-e2fc-5676-c21c-ffe1be21f960@hyperactivesw.com>
 <3aacafc7-a26e-c55f-107c-7272cdc86794@hyperactivesw.com>
 <CA+yhkRZFX5_fN3=VomXM9j7+c2=QYM4CvYBWYJvF6M+-H0VB4g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d4dda1f9-0908-2b15-2bcc-b74a6e90aa4f@hyperactivesw.com>

On 7/9/22 7:11 PM, Brian Milby via use-livecode wrote:
> function getValue pArray, pPath
>     split pPath by comma
>     return pArray[pPath]
> end getValue

I keep forgetting we can do that. It's cool, but I don't understand how it works. Splitting the 
path by comma produces a numbered array, and yet the function appears to ignore the numerical 
keys and return only the element values.

How come?

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Jul 10 16:49:23 2022
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2022 15:49:23 -0500
Subject: macOS Ventura (13.x.x)...
In-Reply-To: <C049455B-82E1-4B0D-8CF8-BA856B380C2B@gmail.com>
References: <d5e67423-cdb5-00c6-7b53-1811e161e16f@researchware.com>
 <C049455B-82E1-4B0D-8CF8-BA856B380C2B@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <89711cd0-dfea-6c65-1ccb-fb3bedae2896@hyperactivesw.com>

On 7/10/22 12:26 PM, Colin Holgate via use-livecode wrote:
> With 9.6.3 Community version, showing the message box, or the script window of a button, crashes LiveCode right away.

Sounds like the OSS community has some work to do, if there is anyone with the skills still there.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From brian at milby7.com  Sun Jul 10 17:24:06 2022
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2022 17:24:06 -0400
Subject: Tree Widget: hilitedValue?
In-Reply-To: <d4dda1f9-0908-2b15-2bcc-b74a6e90aa4f@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <d4dda1f9-0908-2b15-2bcc-b74a6e90aa4f@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <6ED6C57B-246A-45EB-8128-69A655C9E215@milby7.com>

If pPath[1] = “a” and pPath[2] = “b”
Then pArray[pPath] is the same as saying pArray[“a”][“b”]

I’m not sure when it was added.  It is relatively recent (7 or 8 I think, but not sure)

Thanks,
Brian

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 10, 2022, at 4:46 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> On 7/9/22 7:11 PM, Brian Milby via use-livecode wrote:
>> function getValue pArray, pPath
>>    split pPath by comma
>>    return pArray[pPath]
>> end getValue
> 
> I keep forgetting we can do that. It's cool, but I don't understand how it works. Splitting the path by comma produces a numbered array, and yet the function appears to ignore the numerical keys and return only the element values.
> 
> How come?
> 
> -- 
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From paulmcclernan at gmail.com  Mon Jul 11 02:45:01 2022
From: paulmcclernan at gmail.com (Paul McClernan)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2022 02:45:01 -0400
Subject: macOS Ventura (13.x.x)...
In-Reply-To: <89711cd0-dfea-6c65-1ccb-fb3bedae2896@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <d5e67423-cdb5-00c6-7b53-1811e161e16f@researchware.com>
 <C049455B-82E1-4B0D-8CF8-BA856B380C2B@gmail.com>
 <89711cd0-dfea-6c65-1ccb-fb3bedae2896@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <CA+mv_tWFsbE12D4yg0p85ceR6AsVM=94jR=YkKft5myx4CTX8g@mail.gmail.com>

The OSS "community" already had TONs of work to do.

Apparently a lot of other software is crashing with macOS Ventura as well.
I wonder why? Time to install Ventura and find out I guess.

Every year this former mac fan-boy inches closer to becoming a Linux regular.


On Sun, Jul 10, 2022 at 4:50 PM J. Landman Gay via use-livecode
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> On 7/10/22 12:26 PM, Colin Holgate via use-livecode wrote:
> > With 9.6.3 Community version, showing the message box, or the script window of a button, crashes LiveCode right away.
>
> Sounds like the OSS community has some work to do, if there is anyone with the skills still there.
>
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Mon Jul 11 02:53:03 2022
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2022 08:53:03 +0200
Subject: macOS Ventura (13.x.x)...
In-Reply-To: <CA+mv_tWFsbE12D4yg0p85ceR6AsVM=94jR=YkKft5myx4CTX8g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d5e67423-cdb5-00c6-7b53-1811e161e16f@researchware.com>
 <C049455B-82E1-4B0D-8CF8-BA856B380C2B@gmail.com>
 <89711cd0-dfea-6c65-1ccb-fb3bedae2896@hyperactivesw.com>
 <CA+mv_tWFsbE12D4yg0p85ceR6AsVM=94jR=YkKft5myx4CTX8g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAL3fwti_AFp0pQvEOKf_yJmEzkxWuMbkeHxeG7nnkO_yc6oYTg@mail.gmail.com>

Well there go my plans for early adoption.

I do feel that the 'new OS a year' model means that ALL the versions are
unfinished.

I could say the same about LiveCode versions.

Running RevMedia 4 on Xubuntu 22.04 serves as a reminder of some of the
niggles relating to the elevator theory of human evolution.

On Mon, 11 Jul 2022, 08:46 Paul McClernan via use-livecode, <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> The OSS "community" already had TONs of work to do.
>
> Apparently a lot of other software is crashing with macOS Ventura as well.
> I wonder why? Time to install Ventura and find out I guess.
>
> Every year this former mac fan-boy inches closer to becoming a Linux
> regular.
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 10, 2022 at 4:50 PM J. Landman Gay via use-livecode
> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > On 7/10/22 12:26 PM, Colin Holgate via use-livecode wrote:
> > > With 9.6.3 Community version, showing the message box, or the script
> window of a button, crashes LiveCode right away.
> >
> > Sounds like the OSS community has some work to do, if there is anyone
> with the skills still there.
> >
> > --
> > Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> > HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> >
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From heather at livecode.com  Mon Jul 11 04:27:50 2022
From: heather at livecode.com (Heather Laine)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2022 09:27:50 +0100
Subject: MegaBundle whatnot
In-Reply-To: <CAJ2R9piz-OwNStU0p7ORqPVerv7z8Pe52GKMfUrbSG_E=TVKTQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <F108D036-0B45-4FB5-B31F-F595DF7B6174@m-r-d.de>
 <96C795BD-3743-4913-AEDF-2D5D1C17E723@m-r-d.de>
 <CAJ2R9piz-OwNStU0p7ORqPVerv7z8Pe52GKMfUrbSG_E=TVKTQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A342ED1-8FEC-4577-8B0C-C8D7360A7258@livecode.com>

Kaveh and Co,

We have actually simplified the licensing in the move to Single Edition, which is what is causing the confusion here. There is no such thing as Indy or Business anymore. It's all just LiveCode. You pick the platforms you want and off you go...

However the new Enhancements Bundle widgets post-date Indy/Business and hence do not recognise it. The solution being simply to run the latest version. 9.6.8 or 10 dp 4 will be just fine.

Best Regards,

Heather

Heather Laine
Customer Services Manager
LiveCode Ltd
www.livecode.com



> On 9 Jul 2022, at 12:41, Kaveh via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Why does LiveCode make the licenses so complicated? I try to understand
> from time to time so I can repurchase, then give up...
> 
> On Sat, 9 Jul 2022 at 08:41, Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> Mark,
>> What I forgot.
>> 
>> I assume you have a current subscription, right?
>> So why do you not try a newer LC release; one of the new editions without
>> Indy and business in the name? Anything higher than 9.63 should do.
>> 
>> Regards
>> Matthias
>> 
>> Von meinem iPhone gesendet
>> 
>>> Am 08.07.2022 um 21:01 schrieb matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de:
>>> 
>>> Mark,
>>> 
>>> that seems to be a problem with Indy and Business licenses. I can
>> reproduce it here with an Indy license. Seems, the Enh.Pack needs to be
>> modified a little bit.;)
>>> 
>>> As you are on digest mode and i do not know when you read this, I've
>> filed a bug already to speed it up a little bit.
>>> 
>>> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23799
>>> 
>>> Maybe you want to add yourself to the CC list.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Matthias
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Am 08.07.2022 um 19:21 schrieb Mark Clark via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>>> 
>>>> I went ahead and purchased the megabundle, mostly for the LC
>> Enhancement piece. Got that download and clicked the install widgets and
>> the widgets all show “unlicensed.” Hmm, what?
>>>> 
>>>> Tried to re-license and for some reason I only see my business license
>> as an option (also have the old commercial license whatever that maps to
>> now). So, np figure it out later, selected business license and LC starts
>> but the enhancements still show unlicensed. Is there something manual I’m
>> missing?
>>>> 
>>>> TIA,
>>>> Mark (on digest mode)
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From selander at tkf.att.ne.jp  Mon Jul 11 07:35:07 2022
From: selander at tkf.att.ne.jp (Tim Selander)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2022 20:35:07 +0900
Subject: What is the best way to trigger an action at a certain time?
Message-ID: <bedaf0fe-3faf-0122-96e4-6ab5c0de9419@tkf.att.ne.jp>

Dear all,

I want to have an LC app running on a computer doing nothing but 
watching the time. At predetermined times, I then want it to run 
a command. A call to an API on a website.

In the old HC days, I remember using "on idle" to watch for a set 
time. But even then, using "on idle" was less than ideal. CPU 
hog. What is the preferred/LC way to have an app trigger a 
command at a specific time of day?

Any pointers appreciated!

Tim Selander
Tokyo, Japan


From tore.nilsen at me.com  Mon Jul 11 07:43:45 2022
From: tore.nilsen at me.com (Tore Nilsen)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2022 13:43:45 +0200
Subject: What is the best way to trigger an action at a certain time?
In-Reply-To: <bedaf0fe-3faf-0122-96e4-6ab5c0de9419@tkf.att.ne.jp>
References: <bedaf0fe-3faf-0122-96e4-6ab5c0de9419@tkf.att.ne.jp>
Message-ID: <126692CE-04E5-4930-A7DC-5BB96BA49B90@me.com>

For this I would use a recursive approach with «send in time» something like this:

on openStack	
    checkTime
end openStack

on checkTime
  ## Do your routines of checking time, performing the required action etc.
  send checkTime to me in 300 seconds. ## you set the interval to whatever is best for you
end checkTime

Best regards
Tore Nilsen

> 11. jul. 2022 kl. 13:35 skrev Tim Selander via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Dear all,
> 
> I want to have an LC app running on a computer doing nothing but watching the time. At predetermined times, I then want it to run a command. A call to an API on a website.
> 
> In the old HC days, I remember using "on idle" to watch for a set time. But even then, using "on idle" was less than ideal. CPU hog. What is the preferred/LC way to have an app trigger a command at a specific time of day?
> 
> Any pointers appreciated!
> 
> Tim Selander
> Tokyo, Japan
> 
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From selander at tkf.att.ne.jp  Mon Jul 11 07:47:33 2022
From: selander at tkf.att.ne.jp (Tim Selander)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2022 20:47:33 +0900
Subject: What is the best way to trigger an action at a certain time?
In-Reply-To: <126692CE-04E5-4930-A7DC-5BB96BA49B90@me.com>
References: <bedaf0fe-3faf-0122-96e4-6ab5c0de9419@tkf.att.ne.jp>
 <126692CE-04E5-4930-A7DC-5BB96BA49B90@me.com>
Message-ID: <afb1d15b-6b34-068d-45ad-5b844486a3ce@tkf.att.ne.jp>

Tore,

Interesting! 'send in time' is a new one for me.
Thanks!

Tim

On 2022.07.11 20:43, Tore Nilsen via use-livecode wrote:
> For this I would use a recursive approach with «send in time» something like this:
> 
> on openStack	
>      checkTime
> end openStack
> 
> on checkTime
>    ## Do your routines of checking time, performing the required action etc.
>    send checkTime to me in 300 seconds. ## you set the interval to whatever is best for you
> end checkTime
> 
> Best regards
> Tore Nilsen
> 
>> 11. jul. 2022 kl. 13:35 skrev Tim Selander via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> I want to have an LC app running on a computer doing nothing but watching the time. At predetermined times, I then want it to run a command. A call to an API on a website.
>>
>> In the old HC days, I remember using "on idle" to watch for a set time. But even then, using "on idle" was less than ideal. CPU hog. What is the preferred/LC way to have an app trigger a command at a specific time of day?
>>
>> Any pointers appreciated!
>>
>> Tim Selander
>> Tokyo, Japan
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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> 
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From colinholgate at gmail.com  Mon Jul 11 08:22:20 2022
From: colinholgate at gmail.com (Colin Holgate)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2022 06:22:20 -0600
Subject: macOS Ventura (13.x.x)...
In-Reply-To: <CAL3fwti_AFp0pQvEOKf_yJmEzkxWuMbkeHxeG7nnkO_yc6oYTg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d5e67423-cdb5-00c6-7b53-1811e161e16f@researchware.com>
 <C049455B-82E1-4B0D-8CF8-BA856B380C2B@gmail.com>
 <89711cd0-dfea-6c65-1ccb-fb3bedae2896@hyperactivesw.com>
 <CA+mv_tWFsbE12D4yg0p85ceR6AsVM=94jR=YkKft5myx4CTX8g@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAL3fwti_AFp0pQvEOKf_yJmEzkxWuMbkeHxeG7nnkO_yc6oYTg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8E31A85E-2C32-45EB-BFAB-62C716D9E6AC@gmail.com>

In general, Ventura is going well.

> On Jul 11, 2022, at 12:53 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Well there go my plans for early adoption.
> 
> I do feel that the 'new OS a year' model means that ALL the versions are
> unfinished.
> 
> I could say the same about LiveCode versions.
> 
> Running RevMedia 4 on Xubuntu 22.04 serves as a reminder of some of the
> niggles relating to the elevator theory of human evolution.
> 
> On Mon, 11 Jul 2022, 08:46 Paul McClernan via use-livecode, <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> The OSS "community" already had TONs of work to do.
>> 
>> Apparently a lot of other software is crashing with macOS Ventura as well.
>> I wonder why? Time to install Ventura and find out I guess.
>> 
>> Every year this former mac fan-boy inches closer to becoming a Linux
>> regular.
>> 
>> 
>> On Sun, Jul 10, 2022 at 4:50 PM J. Landman Gay via use-livecode
>> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 7/10/22 12:26 PM, Colin Holgate via use-livecode wrote:
>>>> With 9.6.3 Community version, showing the message box, or the script
>> window of a button, crashes LiveCode right away.
>>> 
>>> Sounds like the OSS community has some work to do, if there is anyone
>> with the skills still there.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
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>> subscription preferences:
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From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Mon Jul 11 09:14:08 2022
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2022 09:14:08 -0400
Subject: What is the best way to trigger an action at a certain time?
In-Reply-To: <afb1d15b-6b34-068d-45ad-5b844486a3ce@tkf.att.ne.jp>
References: <bedaf0fe-3faf-0122-96e4-6ab5c0de9419@tkf.att.ne.jp>
 <126692CE-04E5-4930-A7DC-5BB96BA49B90@me.com>
 <afb1d15b-6b34-068d-45ad-5b844486a3ce@tkf.att.ne.jp>
Message-ID: <CADCoycMznw7yoHMxjhV6aHuid7cE8pVMZqUAMXQrmVh0mS2wfw@mail.gmail.com>

I've got a library for adding CRON functionality, if you want something
more elaborate.
https://github.com/macMikey/mikeys-cron-library

On Mon, Jul 11, 2022 at 7:48 AM Tim Selander via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Tore,
>
> Interesting! 'send in time' is a new one for me.
> Thanks!
>
> Tim
>
> On 2022.07.11 20:43, Tore Nilsen via use-livecode wrote:
> > For this I would use a recursive approach with «send in time» something
> like this:
> >
> > on openStack
> >      checkTime
> > end openStack
> >
> > on checkTime
> >    ## Do your routines of checking time, performing the required action
> etc.
> >    send checkTime to me in 300 seconds. ## you set the interval to
> whatever is best for you
> > end checkTime
> >
> > Best regards
> > Tore Nilsen
> >
> >> 11. jul. 2022 kl. 13:35 skrev Tim Selander via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> >>
> >> Dear all,
> >>
> >> I want to have an LC app running on a computer doing nothing but
> watching the time. At predetermined times, I then want it to run a command.
> A call to an API on a website.
> >>
> >> In the old HC days, I remember using "on idle" to watch for a set time.
> But even then, using "on idle" was less than ideal. CPU hog. What is the
> preferred/LC way to have an app trigger a command at a specific time of day?
> >>
> >> Any pointers appreciated!
> >>
> >> Tim Selander
> >> Tokyo, Japan
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> use-livecode mailing list
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >
> >
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From mark at livecode.com  Mon Jul 11 09:25:36 2022
From: mark at livecode.com (Mark Waddingham)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2022 14:25:36 +0100
Subject: Tree Widget: hilitedValue?
In-Reply-To: <9c1a8fdb-0e03-9389-dd6c-ddc85be232f3@fourthworld.com>
References: <CA+yhkRZFX5_fN3=VomXM9j7+c2=QYM4CvYBWYJvF6M+-H0VB4g@mail.gmail.com>
 <9c1a8fdb-0e03-9389-dd6c-ddc85be232f3@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <1d540e298547e449e91ef40f8a6d916a@livecode.com>

On 2022-07-10 21:33, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:
> Brian Milby wrote:
> 
>> You could also turn the path into an array (but lose the error
>> checking above):
>> 
>> function getValue pArray, pPath
>>   split pPath by comma
>>   return pArray[pPath]
>> end getValue
> 
> Thanks, Brian. I keep forgetting we can use an array as an element 
> specifier.
> 
> Has that been around the whole time, or was it added in recent years?

I added it before 6.0 - probably in 4.5 or 5.

Warmest Regards,

Mark.

-- 
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LiveCode: Everyone can create apps


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Jul 11 11:27:09 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2022 15:27:09 +0000
Subject: What is the best way to trigger an action at a certain time?
In-Reply-To: <126692CE-04E5-4930-A7DC-5BB96BA49B90@me.com>
References: <bedaf0fe-3faf-0122-96e4-6ab5c0de9419@tkf.att.ne.jp>
 <126692CE-04E5-4930-A7DC-5BB96BA49B90@me.com>
Message-ID: <39730F96-363E-4B60-A1BF-FEF41E857164@iotecdigital.com>

Slight improvement: 

local lInterval
constant cInterval = 300

on openStack
   put cInterval into lInterval
   checkTime
end openStack

on checkTime
   -- your code
   send checkTime to me in lInterval  seconds
end checkTime

setProp interval, pInterval
   if pInterval is empty then
      ask "Enter a time interval in seconds:" as sheet
      if the result is not "Cancel" and it is an integer and it >0 then \
         put it into lInterval
   else
      put pInterval into lInterval
   end if
end interval

Bob S


> On Jul 11, 2022, at 04:43 , Tore Nilsen via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> For this I would use a recursive approach with «send in time» something like this:
> 
> on openStack	
>    checkTime
> end openStack
> 
> on checkTime
>  ## Do your routines of checking time, performing the required action etc.
>  send checkTime to me in 300 seconds. ## you set the interval to whatever is best for you
> end checkTime
> 
> Best regards
> Tore Nilsen
> 
>> 11. jul. 2022 kl. 13:35 skrev Tim Selander via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>> 
>> Dear all,
>> 
>> I want to have an LC app running on a computer doing nothing but watching the time. At predetermined times, I then want it to run a command. A call to an API on a website.
>> 
>> In the old HC days, I remember using "on idle" to watch for a set time. But even then, using "on idle" was less than ideal. CPU hog. What is the preferred/LC way to have an app trigger a command at a specific time of day?
>> 
>> Any pointers appreciated!
>> 
>> Tim Selander
>> Tokyo, Japan
>> 
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>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Jul 11 11:31:26 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2022 15:31:26 +0000
Subject: macOS Ventura (13.x.x)...
In-Reply-To: <CAL3fwti_AFp0pQvEOKf_yJmEzkxWuMbkeHxeG7nnkO_yc6oYTg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d5e67423-cdb5-00c6-7b53-1811e161e16f@researchware.com>
 <C049455B-82E1-4B0D-8CF8-BA856B380C2B@gmail.com>
 <89711cd0-dfea-6c65-1ccb-fb3bedae2896@hyperactivesw.com>
 <CA+mv_tWFsbE12D4yg0p85ceR6AsVM=94jR=YkKft5myx4CTX8g@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAL3fwti_AFp0pQvEOKf_yJmEzkxWuMbkeHxeG7nnkO_yc6oYTg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7CA94173-546D-410C-8CE1-76EADEC8F149@iotecdigital.com>

Like how did our stomaches evolve without a circulatory system, and without a circulatory system, how did we develop stomaches? 

Bob S


> On Jul 10, 2022, at 23:53 , Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Running RevMedia 4 on Xubuntu 22.04 serves as a reminder of some of the
> niggles relating to the elevator theory of human evolution.



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Jul 12 06:28:04 2022
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2022 13:28:04 +0300
Subject: macOS Ventura (13.x.x)...
In-Reply-To: <7CA94173-546D-410C-8CE1-76EADEC8F149@iotecdigital.com>
References: <d5e67423-cdb5-00c6-7b53-1811e161e16f@researchware.com>
 <C049455B-82E1-4B0D-8CF8-BA856B380C2B@gmail.com>
 <89711cd0-dfea-6c65-1ccb-fb3bedae2896@hyperactivesw.com>
 <CA+mv_tWFsbE12D4yg0p85ceR6AsVM=94jR=YkKft5myx4CTX8g@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAL3fwti_AFp0pQvEOKf_yJmEzkxWuMbkeHxeG7nnkO_yc6oYTg@mail.gmail.com>
 <7CA94173-546D-410C-8CE1-76EADEC8F149@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <c858248a-01c4-5fb0-dd24-6226c6acd028@gmail.com>

That is a complete misunderstanding of the elevator theory of evolution: 
this was a theory propagated by some
of the people who misread Darwin (I don't mean Hobbesian individualists 
like Huxley and Dawkins) to say that
evolution is a linear and ever-upwards process.

On 11.07.22 18:31, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
> Like how did our stomaches evolve without a circulatory system, and without a circulatory system, how did we develop stomaches?
>
> Bob S
>
>
>> On Jul 10, 2022, at 23:53 , Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> Running RevMedia 4 on Xubuntu 22.04 serves as a reminder of some of the
>> niggles relating to the elevator theory of human evolution.
>
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From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Tue Jul 12 08:33:31 2022
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2022 08:33:31 -0400
Subject: What is the best way to trigger an action at a certain time?
In-Reply-To: <39730F96-363E-4B60-A1BF-FEF41E857164@iotecdigital.com>
References: <bedaf0fe-3faf-0122-96e4-6ab5c0de9419@tkf.att.ne.jp>
 <126692CE-04E5-4930-A7DC-5BB96BA49B90@me.com>
 <39730F96-363E-4B60-A1BF-FEF41E857164@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycMc7dUCOtpu2mJaagrwQdrFyjyCtLkbuGps+63PYd0enQ@mail.gmail.com>

I would suggest sending the "checkTime" message at the top of the handler
in case something happens in --your code

On Mon, Jul 11, 2022 at 11:28 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Slight improvement:
>
> local lInterval
> constant cInterval = 300
>
> on openStack
>    put cInterval into lInterval
>    checkTime
> end openStack
>
> on checkTime
>    -- your code
>    send checkTime to me in lInterval  seconds
> end checkTime
>
> setProp interval, pInterval
>    if pInterval is empty then
>       ask "Enter a time interval in seconds:" as sheet
>       if the result is not "Cancel" and it is an integer and it >0 then \
>          put it into lInterval
>    else
>       put pInterval into lInterval
>    end if
> end interval
>
> Bob S
>
>
> > On Jul 11, 2022, at 04:43 , Tore Nilsen via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > For this I would use a recursive approach with «send in time» something
> like this:
> >
> > on openStack
> >    checkTime
> > end openStack
> >
> > on checkTime
> >  ## Do your routines of checking time, performing the required action
> etc.
> >  send checkTime to me in 300 seconds. ## you set the interval to
> whatever is best for you
> > end checkTime
> >
> > Best regards
> > Tore Nilsen
> >
> >> 11. jul. 2022 kl. 13:35 skrev Tim Selander via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> >>
> >> Dear all,
> >>
> >> I want to have an LC app running on a computer doing nothing but
> watching the time. At predetermined times, I then want it to run a command.
> A call to an API on a website.
> >>
> >> In the old HC days, I remember using "on idle" to watch for a set time.
> But even then, using "on idle" was less than ideal. CPU hog. What is the
> preferred/LC way to have an app trigger a command at a specific time of day?
> >>
> >> Any pointers appreciated!
> >>
> >> Tim Selander
> >> Tokyo, Japan
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> use-livecode mailing list
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >
> >
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> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
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-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."

From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Tue Jul 12 10:48:04 2022
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2022 15:48:04 +0100
Subject: What is the best way to trigger an action at a certain time?
In-Reply-To: <bedaf0fe-3faf-0122-96e4-6ab5c0de9419@tkf.att.ne.jp>
References: <bedaf0fe-3faf-0122-96e4-6ab5c0de9419@tkf.att.ne.jp>
Message-ID: <5f54fb78-1b04-60a3-4797-52034fd89ba9@cogapp.com>


Hi Tim,

On 11/07/2022 12:35, Tim Selander via use-livecode wrote:
> I want to have an LC app running on a computer doing nothing but watching the 
> time. At predetermined times, I then want it to run a command. A call to an 
> API on a website.

My $0.02, FWIW: it this is really all your app is doing, and the times are 
every fee hours or days, rather than every few seconds, I would use the 
computer's built in scheduler to invoke your app, rather than have it running 
continuously and watching the time.

I have a number of things like this - LC apps which are launched by schedule. 
On Windows, the Windows scheduler (I generally use a batch script which 
launches the app in this case); on Mac or Linux, use cron. I find this more 
reliable, easier to update etc.

Ben


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Jul 12 10:53:16 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2022 14:53:16 +0000
Subject: macOS Ventura (13.x.x)...
In-Reply-To: <c858248a-01c4-5fb0-dd24-6226c6acd028@gmail.com>
References: <d5e67423-cdb5-00c6-7b53-1811e161e16f@researchware.com>
 <C049455B-82E1-4B0D-8CF8-BA856B380C2B@gmail.com>
 <89711cd0-dfea-6c65-1ccb-fb3bedae2896@hyperactivesw.com>
 <CA+mv_tWFsbE12D4yg0p85ceR6AsVM=94jR=YkKft5myx4CTX8g@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAL3fwti_AFp0pQvEOKf_yJmEzkxWuMbkeHxeG7nnkO_yc6oYTg@mail.gmail.com>
 <7CA94173-546D-410C-8CE1-76EADEC8F149@iotecdigital.com>
 <c858248a-01c4-5fb0-dd24-6226c6acd028@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56EA2603-420C-4C4B-BF81-D842EF754B7E@iotecdigital.com>

Ah. I stand corrected. 

Of course, nothing in nature is linear. 

And I still need to figure out how a stomache would have done us any good withour a circulatory system to get the food to the cells, or lungs to get oxygen to everything for that matter. It seems if you think about it that no vital organ would have provided any advantage without all the other organs being fully developed. Begs some questions, eh? 

Bob S


> On Jul 12, 2022, at 03:28 , Richmond via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> That is a complete misunderstanding of the elevator theory of evolution: this was a theory propagated by some
> of the people who misread Darwin (I don't mean Hobbesian individualists like Huxley and Dawkins) to say that
> evolution is a linear and ever-upwards process.



From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Jul 12 10:56:03 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2022 14:56:03 +0000
Subject: What is the best way to trigger an action at a certain time?
In-Reply-To: <5f54fb78-1b04-60a3-4797-52034fd89ba9@cogapp.com>
References: <bedaf0fe-3faf-0122-96e4-6ab5c0de9419@tkf.att.ne.jp>
 <5f54fb78-1b04-60a3-4797-52034fd89ba9@cogapp.com>
Message-ID: <B16FB248-8D49-4A9B-A682-128B7EA90E65@iotecdigital.com>

It seems to me that if you have an open socket to listen for commands, you could have the chron or windows scheduler send those commands to your LC app. 

Ben, some syntax would be helpful. 

Bob S


> On Jul 12, 2022, at 07:48 , Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim,
> 
> On 11/07/2022 12:35, Tim Selander via use-livecode wrote:
>> I want to have an LC app running on a computer doing nothing but watching the time. At predetermined times, I then want it to run a command. A call to an API on a website.
> 
> My $0.02, FWIW: it this is really all your app is doing, and the times are every fee hours or days, rather than every few seconds, I would use the computer's built in scheduler to invoke your app, rather than have it running continuously and watching the time.
> 
> I have a number of things like this - LC apps which are launched by schedule. On Windows, the Windows scheduler (I generally use a batch script which launches the app in this case); on Mac or Linux, use cron. I find this more reliable, easier to update etc.
> 
> Ben



From chipsm at themartinz.com  Tue Jul 12 11:09:51 2022
From: chipsm at themartinz.com (chipsm themartinz.com)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2022 15:09:51 +0000
Subject: MegaBundle whatnot
In-Reply-To: <4A342ED1-8FEC-4577-8B0C-C8D7360A7258@livecode.com>
References: <F108D036-0B45-4FB5-B31F-F595DF7B6174@m-r-d.de>
 <96C795BD-3743-4913-AEDF-2D5D1C17E723@m-r-d.de>
 <CAJ2R9piz-OwNStU0p7ORqPVerv7z8Pe52GKMfUrbSG_E=TVKTQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <4A342ED1-8FEC-4577-8B0C-C8D7360A7258@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <BY3PR01MB6739E442133E4D618ACC5425B7869@BY3PR01MB6739.prod.exchangelabs.com>

What effect does this do to my account?
I have a lifetime guaranteed  price account and I don’t know what happens to my account.

Sincerely,

Clarence P. Martin
chipsm at themartinz.com
626 7874442

From: use-livecode <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com> on behalf of Heather Laine via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Date: Monday, July 11, 2022 at 1:29 AM
To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Cc: Heather Laine <heather at livecode.com>
Subject: Re: MegaBundle whatnot
Kaveh and Co,

We have actually simplified the licensing in the move to Single Edition, which is what is causing the confusion here. There is no such thing as Indy or Business anymore. It's all just LiveCode. You pick the platforms you want and off you go...

However the new Enhancements Bundle widgets post-date Indy/Business and hence do not recognise it. The solution being simply to run the latest version. 9.6.8 or 10 dp 4 will be just fine.

Best Regards,

Heather

Heather Laine
Customer Services Manager
LiveCode Ltd
www.livecode.com<http://www.livecode.com>



> On 9 Jul 2022, at 12:41, Kaveh via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> Why does LiveCode make the licenses so complicated? I try to understand
> from time to time so I can repurchase, then give up...
>
> On Sat, 9 Jul 2022 at 08:41, Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> Mark,
>> What I forgot.
>>
>> I assume you have a current subscription, right?
>> So why do you not try a newer LC release; one of the new editions without
>> Indy and business in the name? Anything higher than 9.63 should do.
>>
>> Regards
>> Matthias
>>
>> Von meinem iPhone gesendet
>>
>>> Am 08.07.2022 um 21:01 schrieb matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de:
>>>
>>> Mark,
>>>
>>> that seems to be a problem with Indy and Business licenses. I can
>> reproduce it here with an Indy license. Seems, the Enh.Pack needs to be
>> modified a little bit.;)
>>>
>>> As you are on digest mode and i do not know when you read this, I've
>> filed a bug already to speed it up a little bit.
>>>
>>> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23799
>>>
>>> Maybe you want to add yourself to the CC list.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Matthias
>>>
>>>
>>>> Am 08.07.2022 um 19:21 schrieb Mark Clark via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>>>
>>>> I went ahead and purchased the megabundle, mostly for the LC
>> Enhancement piece. Got that download and clicked the install widgets and
>> the widgets all show “unlicensed.” Hmm, what?
>>>>
>>>> Tried to re-license and for some reason I only see my business license
>> as an option (also have the old commercial license whatever that maps to
>> now). So, np figure it out later, selected business license and LC starts
>> but the enhancements still show unlicensed. Is there something manual I’m
>> missing?
>>>>
>>>> TIA,
>>>> Mark (on digest mode)
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>> subscription preferences:
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>>>
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>
>
> --
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From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Tue Jul 12 11:45:14 2022
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2022 17:45:14 +0200
Subject: MegaBundle whatnot
In-Reply-To: <BY3PR01MB6739E442133E4D618ACC5425B7869@BY3PR01MB6739.prod.exchangelabs.com>
References: <F108D036-0B45-4FB5-B31F-F595DF7B6174@m-r-d.de>
 <96C795BD-3743-4913-AEDF-2D5D1C17E723@m-r-d.de>
 <CAJ2R9piz-OwNStU0p7ORqPVerv7z8Pe52GKMfUrbSG_E=TVKTQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <4A342ED1-8FEC-4577-8B0C-C8D7360A7258@livecode.com>
 <BY3PR01MB6739E442133E4D618ACC5425B7869@BY3PR01MB6739.prod.exchangelabs.com>
Message-ID: <555F38B1-8184-4F62-B1D7-296B4262AF89@m-r-d.de>

Livecode Ltd. sent out an email last year to all license holders with information how this change would affect their license.
If i recall it correctly then subscriptions with the "old" price model will keep this price also for renewings as long as the subscription does not completely expire or is changed. 
I would suggest to contact support at livecode.com <mailto:support at livecode.com> to get exact information about this.

Regards,
Matthias


> Am 12.07.2022 um 17:09 schrieb chipsm themartinz.com <http://themartinz.com/> via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>>:
> 
> What effect does this do to my account?
> I have a lifetime guaranteed price account and I don’t know what happens to my account.


From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Tue Jul 12 16:15:17 2022
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2022 21:15:17 +0100
Subject: What is the best way to trigger an action at a certain time?
In-Reply-To: <B16FB248-8D49-4A9B-A682-128B7EA90E65@iotecdigital.com>
References: <bedaf0fe-3faf-0122-96e4-6ab5c0de9419@tkf.att.ne.jp>
 <5f54fb78-1b04-60a3-4797-52034fd89ba9@cogapp.com>
 <B16FB248-8D49-4A9B-A682-128B7EA90E65@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <e07fdee0-62b7-54df-e974-d3f6eda755d7@cogapp.com>

I think I may not have been very clear.

This isn't LiveCode doing anything special; just a standalone LiveCode app 
that either does something immediately on launch (and then quits), or inspects 
the command line parameters to decide what to do (and then quits).

I usually create a .bat file (on Windows) or .sh file (on Mac/Linux) to run 
the LC app with the appropriate parameters.

On Windows you run the "Task Scheduler" and create a task to run the .bat 
file, with whatever schedules you like. On Mac/Linux you edit the 'crontab' 
file adding one or more lines with the interesting syntax to execute the .sh file.

Your app can read the command line parameters (on Mac/Linux or Windows) by 
inspecting the special global variables $0, $1 etc.

The only gotcha is that on Mac, you think your app is at e.g.
  /Users/yourname/Myapp

  - but actually on Mac what appears to be an application "Myapp" is a bundle 
(i.e. a folder with a special flag so the Finder pretends it's not), and the 
path to the executable app is e.g.
  /Users/yourname/Myapp.app/Contents/MacOS/Myapp

On Linux and Windows, it's where you think it is!

Ben

On 12/07/2022 15:56, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
> It seems to me that if you have an open socket to listen for commands, you could have the chron or windows scheduler send those commands to your LC app.
> 
> Ben, some syntax would be helpful.
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Jul 12, 2022, at 07:48 , Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Tim,
>>
>> On 11/07/2022 12:35, Tim Selander via use-livecode wrote:
>>> I want to have an LC app running on a computer doing nothing but watching the time. At predetermined times, I then want it to run a command. A call to an API on a website.
>>
>> My $0.02, FWIW: it this is really all your app is doing, and the times are every fee hours or days, rather than every few seconds, I would use the computer's built in scheduler to invoke your app, rather than have it running continuously and watching the time.
>>
>> I have a number of things like this - LC apps which are launched by schedule. On Windows, the Windows scheduler (I generally use a batch script which launches the app in this case); on Mac or Linux, use cron. I find this more reliable, easier to update etc.
>>
>> Ben
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Jul 12 17:10:50 2022
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2022 16:10:50 -0500
Subject: macOS Ventura (13.x.x)...
In-Reply-To: <56EA2603-420C-4C4B-BF81-D842EF754B7E@iotecdigital.com>
References: <d5e67423-cdb5-00c6-7b53-1811e161e16f@researchware.com>
 <C049455B-82E1-4B0D-8CF8-BA856B380C2B@gmail.com>
 <89711cd0-dfea-6c65-1ccb-fb3bedae2896@hyperactivesw.com>
 <CA+mv_tWFsbE12D4yg0p85ceR6AsVM=94jR=YkKft5myx4CTX8g@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAL3fwti_AFp0pQvEOKf_yJmEzkxWuMbkeHxeG7nnkO_yc6oYTg@mail.gmail.com>
 <7CA94173-546D-410C-8CE1-76EADEC8F149@iotecdigital.com>
 <c858248a-01c4-5fb0-dd24-6226c6acd028@gmail.com>
 <56EA2603-420C-4C4B-BF81-D842EF754B7E@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <181f4401790.276f.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>

This has little to do with LC and less to do with Ventura, but see your email.

--
Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
On July 12, 2022 9:55:22 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Ah. I stand corrected.
>
> Of course, nothing in nature is linear.
>
> And I still need to figure out how a stomache would have done us any good 
> withour a circulatory system to get the food to the cells, or lungs to get 
> oxygen to everything for that matter. It seems if you think about it that 
> no vital organ would have provided any advantage without all the other 
> organs being fully developed. Begs some questions, eh?
>
> Bob S
>
>
>> On Jul 12, 2022, at 03:28 , Richmond via use-livecode 
>> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> That is a complete misunderstanding of the elevator theory of evolution: 
>> this was a theory propagated by some
>> of the people who misread Darwin (I don't mean Hobbesian individualists 
>> like Huxley and Dawkins) to say that
>> evolution is a linear and ever-upwards process.
>
>
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Jul 12 17:56:50 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2022 21:56:50 +0000
Subject: What is the best way to trigger an action at a certain time?
In-Reply-To: <e07fdee0-62b7-54df-e974-d3f6eda755d7@cogapp.com>
References: <bedaf0fe-3faf-0122-96e4-6ab5c0de9419@tkf.att.ne.jp>
 <5f54fb78-1b04-60a3-4797-52034fd89ba9@cogapp.com>
 <B16FB248-8D49-4A9B-A682-128B7EA90E65@iotecdigital.com>
 <e07fdee0-62b7-54df-e974-d3f6eda755d7@cogapp.com>
Message-ID: <12013DF1-5611-4770-B8D3-C9D3A7BEC9C6@iotecdigital.com>

Hmmm. Ok, but it seems having the LC app running invisibly all the time, listening for a command, something the cron service could do through the terminal easily enough, you could make it much more efficient. Just methods and madness I suppose. 

Bob S


> On Jul 12, 2022, at 13:15 , Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I think I may not have been very clear.
> 
> This isn't LiveCode doing anything special; just a standalone LiveCode app that either does something immediately on launch (and then quits), or inspects the command line parameters to decide what to do (and then quits).



From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Wed Jul 13 05:20:39 2022
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2022 10:20:39 +0100
Subject: What is the best way to trigger an action at a certain time?
In-Reply-To: <12013DF1-5611-4770-B8D3-C9D3A7BEC9C6@iotecdigital.com>
References: <bedaf0fe-3faf-0122-96e4-6ab5c0de9419@tkf.att.ne.jp>
 <5f54fb78-1b04-60a3-4797-52034fd89ba9@cogapp.com>
 <B16FB248-8D49-4A9B-A682-128B7EA90E65@iotecdigital.com>
 <e07fdee0-62b7-54df-e974-d3f6eda755d7@cogapp.com>
 <12013DF1-5611-4770-B8D3-C9D3A7BEC9C6@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <9380d08d-53b7-15f9-1399-63828a13d928@cogapp.com>

Whatever works for your situation! At least one of my jobs, which runs a few 
times a week (pulling data from an internal system, generating and emailing a 
PDF report) has to launch fresh each time because of a bug in the graph widget 
which displays wrong if the script runs twice!

There are others where the LC qpp is part of a dance in which other systems 
run before and after, so a batch script invoking each in turn is the thing 
that's scheduled.

But of course there are contexts in which the best solution is an LC app 
waiting for a time or a command at which to leap into action.

On 12/07/2022 22:56, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
> Hmmm. Ok, but it seems having the LC app running invisibly all the time, listening for a command, something the cron service could do through the terminal easily enough, you could make it much more efficient. Just methods and madness I suppose.
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Jul 12, 2022, at 13:15 , Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> I think I may not have been very clear.
>>
>> This isn't LiveCode doing anything special; just a standalone LiveCode app that either does something immediately on launch (and then quits), or inspects the command line parameters to decide what to do (and then quits).
> 
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From ms1 at soas.ac.uk  Wed Jul 13 12:18:24 2022
From: ms1 at soas.ac.uk (Muaath Salih)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2022 17:18:24 +0100
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <CAN8cKhRpzfusQBTwHnFQXqz80KBydCinewUpd65rVJ-V0Tbngw@mail.gmail.com>



From sean at pidigital.co.uk  Wed Jul 13 12:26:16 2022
From: sean at pidigital.co.uk (Pi Digital)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2022 17:26:16 +0100
Subject: No subject
In-Reply-To: <CAN8cKhRpzfusQBTwHnFQXqz80KBydCinewUpd65rVJ-V0Tbngw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAN8cKhRpzfusQBTwHnFQXqz80KBydCinewUpd65rVJ-V0Tbngw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <77502D3D-AD49-49A0-A41B-5520C060CE9F@pidigital.co.uk>

I agree. There is also no content :)

Let us know if there is anything else you would like help with, Muaath. 

Sean


> On 13 Jul 2022, at 17:18, Muaath Salih via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Jul 13 17:50:19 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2022 21:50:19 +0000
Subject: remoteDebugger error
Message-ID: <E861B6DC-DAA6-4714-9E2F-1E8412F1841A@iotecdigital.com>

Whenever I open my Forms Generator project, I get a dialog pop up saying an error occured in the stack com.livecode.library.remotedebugger, and that there is no more information because the stack is password protected. It does not seem to affect to workings of my project though. 

Other stacks do not seem to induce this dialog. How can I tell what is causing it? 

Bob S



From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Wed Jul 13 18:44:11 2022
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2022 00:44:11 +0200
Subject: remoteDebugger error
In-Reply-To: <E861B6DC-DAA6-4714-9E2F-1E8412F1841A@iotecdigital.com>
References: <E861B6DC-DAA6-4714-9E2F-1E8412F1841A@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <C884733A-4E17-430B-995E-8EC0583B3C5A@m-r-d.de>

Just a shot in the dark, but the RemoteDebugger is part of the Pro Features Pack. Does your license include that pack?

Regards,

Matthias


> Am 13.07.2022 um 23:50 schrieb Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Whenever I open my Forms Generator project, I get a dialog pop up saying an error occured in the stack com.livecode.library.remotedebugger, and that there is no more information because the stack is password protected. It does not seem to affect to workings of my project though. 
> 
> Other stacks do not seem to induce this dialog. How can I tell what is causing it? 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Jul 13 19:02:11 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2022 23:02:11 +0000
Subject: remoteDebugger error
In-Reply-To: <C884733A-4E17-430B-995E-8EC0583B3C5A@m-r-d.de>
References: <E861B6DC-DAA6-4714-9E2F-1E8412F1841A@iotecdigital.com>
 <C884733A-4E17-430B-995E-8EC0583B3C5A@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <2EBB7F19-0E08-4992-AD87-04E1E710EAEA@iotecdigital.com>

Yup. Don't we all have to be on that license if we are running 9.6.8? But I found the problem, just not how to prevent remoteDebugger from throwing unknown errors, or how to figure out what the error is. I basically had to step through my code until I found the culprit. 

Thanks though. I am going through the code which sets up sqlYoga so that I can have multiple database objects and connections instead of just using the defaults. 

Bob S


> On Jul 13, 2022, at 15:44 , matthias rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Just a shot in the dark, but the RemoteDebugger is part of the Pro Features Pack. Does your license include that pack?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Matthias



From monte.goulding at livecode.com  Wed Jul 13 19:07:22 2022
From: monte.goulding at livecode.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2022 09:07:22 +1000
Subject: remoteDebugger error
In-Reply-To: <2EBB7F19-0E08-4992-AD87-04E1E710EAEA@iotecdigital.com>
References: <E861B6DC-DAA6-4714-9E2F-1E8412F1841A@iotecdigital.com>
 <C884733A-4E17-430B-995E-8EC0583B3C5A@m-r-d.de>
 <2EBB7F19-0E08-4992-AD87-04E1E710EAEA@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <4B2FB61F-CDD8-4B22-88B8-EAEA9F2F795E@livecode.com>

Hi Bob

Could you create a bug report about this? The remote debugger obviously shouldn’t be throwing bugs itself. It should be telling the IDE about errors and getting it to show the debugger.

Cheers

Monte

> On 14 Jul 2022, at 9:02 am, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Yup. Don't we all have to be on that license if we are running 9.6.8? But I found the problem, just not how to prevent remoteDebugger from throwing unknown errors, or how to figure out what the error is. I basically had to step through my code until I found the culprit. 
> 
> Thanks though. I am going through the code which sets up sqlYoga so that I can have multiple database objects and connections instead of just using the defaults. 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Jul 13, 2022, at 15:44 , matthias rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Just a shot in the dark, but the RemoteDebugger is part of the Pro Features Pack. Does your license include that pack?
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Matthias
> 
> 
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From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Wed Jul 13 19:20:41 2022
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2022 01:20:41 +0200
Subject: remoteDebugger error
In-Reply-To: <2EBB7F19-0E08-4992-AD87-04E1E710EAEA@iotecdigital.com>
References: <E861B6DC-DAA6-4714-9E2F-1E8412F1841A@iotecdigital.com>
 <C884733A-4E17-430B-995E-8EC0583B3C5A@m-r-d.de>
 <2EBB7F19-0E08-4992-AD87-04E1E710EAEA@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <B6903752-D513-4C9B-9E63-97BAB496D772@m-r-d.de>


> Am 14.07.2022 um 01:02 schrieb Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Yup. Don't we all have to be on that license if we are running 9.6.8?
Not that i am aware of.
If you have the Addon Pro Pack Features in your license   "the editiontype" returns professional, if you don't  then "commercial" is returned.

https://livecode.com/pro-features/



> But I found the problem, just not how to prevent remoteDebugger from throwing unknown errors, or how to figure out what the error is. I basically had to step through my code until I found the culprit. 
> 
> Thanks though. I am going through the code which sets up sqlYoga so that I can have multiple database objects and connections instead of just using the defaults. 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Jul 13, 2022, at 15:44 , matthias rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Just a shot in the dark, but the RemoteDebugger is part of the Pro Features Pack. Does your license include that pack?
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Matthias
> 
> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Jul 13 20:14:13 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2022 00:14:13 +0000
Subject: remoteDebugger error
In-Reply-To: <B6903752-D513-4C9B-9E63-97BAB496D772@m-r-d.de>
References: <E861B6DC-DAA6-4714-9E2F-1E8412F1841A@iotecdigital.com>
 <C884733A-4E17-430B-995E-8EC0583B3C5A@m-r-d.de>
 <2EBB7F19-0E08-4992-AD87-04E1E710EAEA@iotecdigital.com>
 <B6903752-D513-4C9B-9E63-97BAB496D772@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <78464170-F02D-4C67-AC00-328F795DC316@iotecdigital.com>

Returns "Professional"

Bob S


> On Jul 13, 2022, at 16:20 , matthias rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> Am 14.07.2022 um 01:02 schrieb Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>> 
>> Yup. Don't we all have to be on that license if we are running 9.6.8?
> Not that i am aware of.
> If you have the Addon Pro Pack Features in your license   "the editiontype" returns professional, if you don't  then "commercial" is returned.



From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Jul 13 20:15:01 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2022 00:15:01 +0000
Subject: remoteDebugger error
In-Reply-To: <4B2FB61F-CDD8-4B22-88B8-EAEA9F2F795E@livecode.com>
References: <E861B6DC-DAA6-4714-9E2F-1E8412F1841A@iotecdigital.com>
 <C884733A-4E17-430B-995E-8EC0583B3C5A@m-r-d.de>
 <2EBB7F19-0E08-4992-AD87-04E1E710EAEA@iotecdigital.com>
 <4B2FB61F-CDD8-4B22-88B8-EAEA9F2F795E@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <AC93E1BB-EDE6-4B0F-9370-B74C54FDEBA6@iotecdigital.com>

Monte, I'll do that in the morning. They are kicking me out of the building. :-|

Bob S


> On Jul 13, 2022, at 16:07 , Monte Goulding via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Bob
> 
> Could you create a bug report about this? The remote debugger obviously shouldn’t be throwing bugs itself. It should be telling the IDE about errors and getting it to show the debugger.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Monte
> 


From selander at tkf.att.ne.jp  Wed Jul 13 20:16:58 2022
From: selander at tkf.att.ne.jp (Tim Selander)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2022 09:16:58 +0900
Subject: What is the best way to trigger an action at a certain time?
In-Reply-To: <9380d08d-53b7-15f9-1399-63828a13d928@cogapp.com>
References: <bedaf0fe-3faf-0122-96e4-6ab5c0de9419@tkf.att.ne.jp>
 <5f54fb78-1b04-60a3-4797-52034fd89ba9@cogapp.com>
 <B16FB248-8D49-4A9B-A682-128B7EA90E65@iotecdigital.com>
 <e07fdee0-62b7-54df-e974-d3f6eda755d7@cogapp.com>
 <12013DF1-5611-4770-B8D3-C9D3A7BEC9C6@iotecdigital.com>
 <9380d08d-53b7-15f9-1399-63828a13d928@cogapp.com>
Message-ID: <c5ceedea-1adc-6275-0fbb-41aa1fcd108a@tkf.att.ne.jp>

Gentlemen,

The trigger will be 'pulled' once or twice a day only -- so these 
external to LC options are also viable. Hadn't entered my head at 
all!

Will be playing around with all these ideas and learn something! 
Basically use Macs, but have couple unused Windows laptops -- 
sounds like Task Scheduler and .bat files might be easier to deal 
with.

Thanks.

Tim

On 2022.07.13 18:20, Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode wrote:
> Whatever works for your situation! At least one of my jobs, which 
> runs a few times a week (pulling data from an internal system, 
> generating and emailing a PDF report) has to launch fresh each 
> time because of a bug in the graph widget which displays wrong if 
> the script runs twice!
> 
> There are others where the LC qpp is part of a dance in which 
> other systems run before and after, so a batch script invoking 
> each in turn is the thing that's scheduled.
> 
> But of course there are contexts in which the best solution is an 
> LC app waiting for a time or a command at which to leap into action.
> 
> On 12/07/2022 22:56, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
>> Hmmm. Ok, but it seems having the LC app running invisibly all 
>> the time, listening for a command, something the cron service 
>> could do through the terminal easily enough, you could make it 
>> much more efficient. Just methods and madness I suppose.
>>
>> Bob S
>>
>>
>>> On Jul 12, 2022, at 13:15 , Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode 
>>> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I think I may not have been very clear.
>>>
>>> This isn't LiveCode doing anything special; just a standalone 
>>> LiveCode app that either does something immediately on launch 
>>> (and then quits), or inspects the command line parameters to 
>>> decide what to do (and then quits).
>>
>>
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From merakosp at gmail.com  Thu Jul 14 01:03:23 2022
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis m)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2022 08:03:23 +0300
Subject: remoteDebugger error
In-Reply-To: <AC93E1BB-EDE6-4B0F-9370-B74C54FDEBA6@iotecdigital.com>
References: <E861B6DC-DAA6-4714-9E2F-1E8412F1841A@iotecdigital.com>
 <C884733A-4E17-430B-995E-8EC0583B3C5A@m-r-d.de>
 <2EBB7F19-0E08-4992-AD87-04E1E710EAEA@iotecdigital.com>
 <4B2FB61F-CDD8-4B22-88B8-EAEA9F2F795E@livecode.com>
 <AC93E1BB-EDE6-4B0F-9370-B74C54FDEBA6@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq-V=ceSTKShMoJ75MyOmCPHi8gmn-fKewSPdBz6S5Yc+w@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all,

@Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com>
Are there any modal windows involved in the recipe?

I think it is this bug:

https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23758

Cheers,
Panos
--

On Thu, 14 Jul 2022 at 03:15, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Monte, I'll do that in the morning. They are kicking me out of the
> building. :-|
>
> Bob S
>
>
> > On Jul 13, 2022, at 16:07 , Monte Goulding via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Bob
> >
> > Could you create a bug report about this? The remote debugger obviously
> shouldn’t be throwing bugs itself. It should be telling the IDE about
> errors and getting it to show the debugger.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Monte
> >
>
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From paul at researchware.com  Thu Jul 14 15:50:57 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2022 15:50:57 -0400
Subject: Livecode Builder developer wanted
Message-ID: <cdf489f1-eb80-798f-8104-ff923fa71130@researchware.com>

I am looking to hire someone to take what Trevor DeVore started 3 years 
ago, for the Livecode conference, of making an LCB wrapper for 
pocketsphinx (https://github.com/trevordevore/lc-pocketsphinx) for macOS 
and extend it to Windows including builds of the pocketsphinx libraries 
for macOS and Windows. Essentially, advance it a bit further so it can 
just be plugged into Livecode and used as a library in the IDE and 
standalones.

Anyone experienced in making LCB libraries for macOS and Windows interested?

If so, please email me off-list and send me a rate and/or estimate.

P.S. I contacted Trevor, but he is tied up with other work and unavailable.

Paul Dupuis
Researchware


From klaus at major-k.de  Fri Jul 15 07:14:50 2022
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2022 13:14:50 +0200
Subject: iPhoneSafeAreaInsets() and Android
Message-ID: <B5C48FAE-3E91-45A6-8156-81B19F4A8395@major-k.de>

Hi friends,

quick question, cannot test it myself in the moment.

Will -> iPhoneSafeAreaInsets() 
a. work or 
b. throw an error when being used on Android?

If a. I presume it will return "the screenrect" without any "notches".
Does it?

If b. then I will to check "if the platform = "iphone"..."

Thanks for any quick answer!


Best

Klaus
--
Klaus Major
https://www.major-k.de
https://www.major-k.de/bass
klaus at major-k.de



From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Fri Jul 15 10:22:28 2022
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2022 15:22:28 +0100
Subject: Complete Advanced Networking Layer?
Message-ID: <c3b3a443-bc74-5cd3-c401-a6d98fac83d4@cogapp.com>


Is there reference documentation anywhere for the "Complete Advanced 
Networking Layer" which is included in the "Pro Features Pack"?

TIA,

Ben


From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net  Fri Jul 15 10:44:48 2022
From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2022 10:44:48 -0400
Subject: Complete Advanced Networking Layer?
In-Reply-To: <c3b3a443-bc74-5cd3-c401-a6d98fac83d4@cogapp.com>
References: <c3b3a443-bc74-5cd3-c401-a6d98fac83d4@cogapp.com>
Message-ID: <001601d89859$721c53c0$5654fb40$@net>

Ben,
I believe that's referring to tsNet. All tsNet's advanced
functionality(async and such) is in the dictionary. Works great! In mobile I
start 4 or 5 simultaneous downloads when the app is first opened.

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdimola at evergreeninfo.net

-----Original Message-----
From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf
Of Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2022 10:22 AM
To: Use LiveCode
Cc: Ben Rubinstein
Subject: Complete Advanced Networking Layer?


Is there reference documentation anywhere for the "Complete Advanced
Networking Layer" which is included in the "Pro Features Pack"?

TIA,

Ben

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From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Fri Jul 15 11:40:34 2022
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2022 17:40:34 +0200
Subject: Complete Advanced Networking Layer?
In-Reply-To: <c3b3a443-bc74-5cd3-c401-a6d98fac83d4@cogapp.com>
References: <c3b3a443-bc74-5cd3-c401-a6d98fac83d4@cogapp.com>
Message-ID: <08876529-BFB8-479C-96B9-6E61CAC5DB33@m-r-d.de>

According to this overview there     https://livecode.com/pro-features/

the following tsNet features are in included in the Pro Features

- Non-blocking, asynchronous operations on SFTP, SMTP, SMTPS and SMTP/TLS
- SFTP authentication via public key authentication giving the best possible security
- SMTP(S/TLS) / SFTP downloads and uploads can either be via file or via variable – you are not limited by the memory available to your variable
- Ability to generate public / private key pairs suitable for use with SFTP – no need for an external application to create these
- Ability to send additional raw commands along with FTP and SFTP transfers to be executed before or after the transfer completes

> Am 15.07.2022 um 16:22 schrieb Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> 
> Is there reference documentation anywhere for the "Complete Advanced Networking Layer" which is included in the "Pro Features Pack"?
> 
> TIA,
> 
> Ben
> 
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From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Fri Jul 15 12:25:14 2022
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2022 17:25:14 +0100
Subject: Complete Advanced Networking Layer?
In-Reply-To: <08876529-BFB8-479C-96B9-6E61CAC5DB33@m-r-d.de>
References: <c3b3a443-bc74-5cd3-c401-a6d98fac83d4@cogapp.com>
 <08876529-BFB8-479C-96B9-6E61CAC5DB33@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <8915b5fa-a023-03c2-c7f3-94ead78986f6@cogapp.com>

Ah, thanks both.

I see now there's a "[PRO]" badge on some tsNet functions in the Dictionary.

Thanks very much,

Ben

On 15/07/2022 16:40, matthias rebbe via use-livecode wrote:
> According to this overview there     https://livecode.com/pro-features/
> 
> the following tsNet features are in included in the Pro Features
> 
> - Non-blocking, asynchronous operations on SFTP, SMTP, SMTPS and SMTP/TLS
> - SFTP authentication via public key authentication giving the best possible security
> - SMTP(S/TLS) / SFTP downloads and uploads can either be via file or via variable  you are not limited by the memory available to your variable
> - Ability to generate public / private key pairs suitable for use with SFTP  no need for an external application to create these
> - Ability to send additional raw commands along with FTP and SFTP transfers to be executed before or after the transfer completes
> 
>> Am 15.07.2022 um 16:22 schrieb Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>
>>
>> Is there reference documentation anywhere for the "Complete Advanced Networking Layer" which is included in the "Pro Features Pack"?
>>
>> TIA,
>>
>> Ben
>>
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From dougr at telus.net  Fri Jul 15 12:52:49 2022
From: dougr at telus.net (Douglas A. Ruisaard)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2022 09:52:49 -0700
Subject: license info
Message-ID: <016d01d8986b$51125c30$f3371490$@telus.net>

Largely because I'm not crystal clear as to how to frame the following
request for information, I'd VERY MUCH appreciate if the LIVECODE mothership
could point me in the right direction.

 

Currently I am using LIVECODE Business Edition v 9.6.1 (build 15522) on a
Windows 10 PC (not a server) with the latest updates installed.

 

The recent discussion regarding : ".the following tsNet features are in
included in the Pro Features ." from matthias rebbe posting from July 15
suggests that I could greatly simplify a significant application I developed
and manage for a major Health Care Laboratory here in Canada. The features
enumerated might be able to eliminate a very expensive 3rd party SFTP server
I currently employ for communicating and transferring very sensitive medical
information to external clinics and hospitals (over 5,000 of them).

 

I would sincerely appreciate if someone could give me even a ballpark dollar
figure I'd have to pay in order to upgrade my current license (see above) to
whatever is necessary to incorporate the "tsNet Pro" features Matthias
described.  I only need the one development license for Windows since I
distribute the app from the STANDALONE feature of LIVECODE.

 

Hopefully that's enough information to frame my request so I can pass a
fairly accurate cost estimate to the end-user.

 

Sincerely

Doug Ruisaard


From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Fri Jul 15 14:11:19 2022
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2022 20:11:19 +0200
Subject: license info
In-Reply-To: <016d01d8986b$51125c30$f3371490$@telus.net>
References: <016d01d8986b$51125c30$f3371490$@telus.net>
Message-ID: <42426102-8301-43F9-86F7-7B3F6AC81109@m-r-d.de>

Douglas,

If you have a business license, then you have access to the "Advanced Network Layer". LC with Pro Features is the same as the previous Business license.

And if you have a current subscription or a lifetime license with lifetime updates, then why don't you download the latest release of LC, which is 9.6.8 btw.?

Regards,
Matthias



> Am 15.07.2022 um 18:52 schrieb Douglas A. Ruisaard via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Largely because I'm not crystal clear as to how to frame the following
> request for information, I'd VERY MUCH appreciate if the LIVECODE mothership
> could point me in the right direction.
> 
> 
> 
> Currently I am using LIVECODE Business Edition v 9.6.1 (build 15522) on a
> Windows 10 PC (not a server) with the latest updates installed.
> 
> 
> 
> The recent discussion regarding : ".the following tsNet features are in
> included in the Pro Features ." from matthias rebbe posting from July 15
> suggests that I could greatly simplify a significant application I developed
> and manage for a major Health Care Laboratory here in Canada. The features
> enumerated might be able to eliminate a very expensive 3rd party SFTP server
> I currently employ for communicating and transferring very sensitive medical
> information to external clinics and hospitals (over 5,000 of them).
> 
> 
> 
> I would sincerely appreciate if someone could give me even a ballpark dollar
> figure I'd have to pay in order to upgrade my current license (see above) to
> whatever is necessary to incorporate the "tsNet Pro" features Matthias
> described.  I only need the one development license for Windows since I
> distribute the app from the STANDALONE feature of LIVECODE.
> 
> 
> 
> Hopefully that's enough information to frame my request so I can pass a
> fairly accurate cost estimate to the end-user.
> 
> 
> 
> Sincerely
> 
> Doug Ruisaard
> 
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From dougr at telus.net  Sat Jul 16 10:57:54 2022
From: dougr at telus.net (Douglas A. Ruisaard)
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2022 07:57:54 -0700
Subject: license info
In-Reply-To: <42426102-8301-43F9-86F7-7B3F6AC81109@m-r-d.de>
References: <016d01d8986b$51125c30$f3371490$@telus.net>
 <42426102-8301-43F9-86F7-7B3F6AC81109@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <03d701d89924$6dace770$4906b650$@telus.net>

Thanks very much for the advice.  I have, as of this message, installed
v9.6.8.  What steps, if any, do I need to take to "activate" the "Advanced
Network Layer"?

Doug

-----Original Message-----
From: use-livecode <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com> On Behalf Of
matthias rebbe via use-livecode
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2022 11:11 AM
To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Cc: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de
Subject: Re: license info

Douglas,

If you have a business license, then you have access to the "Advanced
Network Layer". LC with Pro Features is the same as the previous Business
license.

And if you have a current subscription or a lifetime license with lifetime
updates, then why don't you download the latest release of LC, which is
9.6.8 btw.?

Regards,
Matthias



> Am 15.07.2022 um 18:52 schrieb Douglas A. Ruisaard via use-livecode
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Largely because I'm not crystal clear as to how to frame the following 
> request for information, I'd VERY MUCH appreciate if the LIVECODE 
> mothership could point me in the right direction.
> 
> 
> 
> Currently I am using LIVECODE Business Edition v 9.6.1 (build 15522) 
> on a Windows 10 PC (not a server) with the latest updates installed.
> 
> 
> 
> The recent discussion regarding : ".the following tsNet features are 
> in included in the Pro Features ." from matthias rebbe posting from 
> July 15 suggests that I could greatly simplify a significant 
> application I developed and manage for a major Health Care Laboratory 
> here in Canada. The features enumerated might be able to eliminate a 
> very expensive 3rd party SFTP server I currently employ for 
> communicating and transferring very sensitive medical information to
external clinics and hospitals (over 5,000 of them).
> 
> 
> 
> I would sincerely appreciate if someone could give me even a ballpark 
> dollar figure I'd have to pay in order to upgrade my current license 
> (see above) to whatever is necessary to incorporate the "tsNet Pro" 
> features Matthias described.  I only need the one development license 
> for Windows since I distribute the app from the STANDALONE feature of
LIVECODE.
> 
> 
> 
> Hopefully that's enough information to frame my request so I can pass 
> a fairly accurate cost estimate to the end-user.
> 
> 
> 
> Sincerely
> 
> Doug Ruisaard
> 
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From jbv at souslelogo.com  Sun Jul 17 05:16:25 2022
From: jbv at souslelogo.com (jbv at souslelogo.com)
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2022 05:16:25 -0400
Subject: deleting folders on server with revDeleteFolder
Message-ID: <bf192c2f6310d880003950f0dc732c11@souslelogo.com>

Hi list,

On my LC Hosting account, I have a php script that creates directories :
    mkdir($dirname, 0755);
Each directory is used to temporarily store text & image files.

Then I have a LC script that is supposed to delete those directories
under certain conditions. No problem for deleting files inside each
directory, but 2 sub-directories are systematically created, named
"." and ".." and those can't be deleted, either by script of via ftp.
Therefore, there's no way to delete the directories created via php.

Last but not least, the doc for LC 9.6.8 says that "revDeleteFolder"
is the command to use to remove a folder and all its contents and that
it is available on both desktop and server platforms, but on my LC
hosting account I get : Handler: can't find handler (revDeleteFolder)

Any idea how to solve this problem ?
Thank you in advance.
jbv


From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Sun Jul 17 07:13:38 2022
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe)
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2022 13:13:38 +0200
Subject: deleting folders on server with revDeleteFolder
In-Reply-To: <bf192c2f6310d880003950f0dc732c11@souslelogo.com>
References: <bf192c2f6310d880003950f0dc732c11@souslelogo.com>
Message-ID: <BC0B30C7-16F4-4FE7-AE58-1864B4FDF4FC@m-r-d.de>

I’m not at my desk at the moment, so I cannot give detailed information.  
But what I know is, that this function/command is included in the rev common library and that library is not included by default in LC Server. 

You need to copy that library from your LC ide Installation path to your LC Server installation path first. Then you have to load that library in your script using “start using stack <Path to  the library>


Regards
Matthias
Von meinem iPhone gesendet

> Am 17.07.2022 um 11:18 schrieb jbv via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Hi list,
> 
> On my LC Hosting account, I have a php script that creates directories :
>   mkdir($dirname, 0755);
> Each directory is used to temporarily store text & image files.
> 
> Then I have a LC script that is supposed to delete those directories
> under certain conditions. No problem for deleting files inside each
> directory, but 2 sub-directories are systematically created, named
> "." and ".." and those can't be deleted, either by script of via ftp.
> Therefore, there's no way to delete the directories created via php.
> 
> Last but not least, the doc for LC 9.6.8 says that "revDeleteFolder"
> is the command to use to remove a folder and all its contents and that
> it is available on both desktop and server platforms, but on my LC
> hosting account I get : Handler: can't find handler (revDeleteFolder)
> 
> Any idea how to solve this problem ?
> Thank you in advance.
> jbv
> 
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From alex at tweedly.net  Sun Jul 17 08:20:52 2022
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2022 13:20:52 +0100
Subject: deleting folders on server with revDeleteFolder
In-Reply-To: <bf192c2f6310d880003950f0dc732c11@souslelogo.com>
References: <bf192c2f6310d880003950f0dc732c11@souslelogo.com>
Message-ID: <7bc4657f-68c2-440c-e89a-c787d0fed24b@tweedly.net>

Those folders are

"." - the folder itself

".." - the parent of the folder itself.

As such, neither can be deleted directly, nor do they need to be in 
order to delete the folder itself. The folder itself should be deleted 
when the current folder is set to somewhere else.

So - there isn't really a problem, just don't try to delete them by 
those names.


Alex.


On 17/07/2022 10:16, jbv via use-livecode wrote:
> Hi list,
>
> On my LC Hosting account, I have a php script that creates directories :
>    mkdir($dirname, 0755);
> Each directory is used to temporarily store text & image files.
>
> Then I have a LC script that is supposed to delete those directories
> under certain conditions. No problem for deleting files inside each
> directory, but 2 sub-directories are systematically created, named
> "." and ".." and those can't be deleted, either by script of via ftp.
> Therefore, there's no way to delete the directories created via php.
>
> Last but not least, the doc for LC 9.6.8 says that "revDeleteFolder"
> is the command to use to remove a folder and all its contents and that
> it is available on both desktop and server platforms, but on my LC
> hosting account I get : Handler: can't find handler (revDeleteFolder)
>
> Any idea how to solve this problem ?
> Thank you in advance.
> jbv
>
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From kee.nethery at elloco.com  Sun Jul 17 12:25:52 2022
From: kee.nethery at elloco.com (Kee Nethery)
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2022 09:25:52 -0700
Subject: deleting folders on server with revDeleteFolder
In-Reply-To: <7bc4657f-68c2-440c-e89a-c787d0fed24b@tweedly.net>
References: <7bc4657f-68c2-440c-e89a-c787d0fed24b@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <8D2CC775-175C-4964-B50B-12A86F8FA858@elloco.com>

Perhaps try using something other than a period as the beginning folder name character? Could be that’s why it’s not working. Just a thought, could be totally wrong.

Kee Nethery

> On Jul 17, 2022, at 5:21 AM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Those folders are
> 
> "." - the folder itself
> 
> ".." - the parent of the folder itself.
> 
> As such, neither can be deleted directly, nor do they need to be in order to delete the folder itself. The folder itself should be deleted when the current folder is set to somewhere else.
> 
> So - there isn't really a problem, just don't try to delete them by those names.
> 
> 
> Alex.
> 
> 
>> On 17/07/2022 10:16, jbv via use-livecode wrote:
>> Hi list,
>> 
>> On my LC Hosting account, I have a php script that creates directories :
>>    mkdir($dirname, 0755);
>> Each directory is used to temporarily store text & image files.
>> 
>> Then I have a LC script that is supposed to delete those directories
>> under certain conditions. No problem for deleting files inside each
>> directory, but 2 sub-directories are systematically created, named
>> "." and ".." and those can't be deleted, either by script of via ftp.
>> Therefore, there's no way to delete the directories created via php.
>> 
>> Last but not least, the doc for LC 9.6.8 says that "revDeleteFolder"
>> is the command to use to remove a folder and all its contents and that
>> it is available on both desktop and server platforms, but on my LC
>> hosting account I get : Handler: can't find handler (revDeleteFolder)
>> 
>> Any idea how to solve this problem ?
>> Thank you in advance.
>> jbv
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Jul 19 12:00:01 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2022 16:00:01 +0000
Subject: Debugging libraries
Message-ID: <88C847AF-40CA-42C0-871E-49D9FBB99D05@iotecdigital.com>

Hi all. 

There is a global variable, I thought it was gRevDevelopment, where you set it to true if you need to debug a script which begins with "lib". I cannot think what that global is! 

Bob S



From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Tue Jul 19 13:45:37 2022
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2022 10:45:37 -0700
Subject: Debugging libraries
In-Reply-To: <88C847AF-40CA-42C0-871E-49D9FBB99D05@iotecdigital.com>
References: <88C847AF-40CA-42C0-871E-49D9FBB99D05@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <48032bc8-be5e-0ec3-f5d6-6f3f1860058d@sonic.net>

On 7/19/22 09:00, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
> Hi all.
> 
> There is a global variable, I thought it was gRevDevelopment, where you set it to true if you need to debug a script which begins with "lib". I cannot think what that global is!

Set gRevDevelopment true to debug system stacks (starting with "rev" or 
plugins). And remember to set it false afterwards. If you're trying to 
debug a library that's been password-protected, though, it won't help.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com


From paulmcclernan at gmail.com  Tue Jul 19 14:19:55 2022
From: paulmcclernan at gmail.com (Paul McClernan)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2022 14:19:55 -0400
Subject: deleting folders on server with revDeleteFolder
In-Reply-To: <7bc4657f-68c2-440c-e89a-c787d0fed24b@tweedly.net>
References: <bf192c2f6310d880003950f0dc732c11@souslelogo.com>
 <7bc4657f-68c2-440c-e89a-c787d0fed24b@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <CA+mv_tUwgX4Bq7jeOyzBPOABotm_9bVBvm1JBwicp0DG_AOYeQ@mail.gmail.com>

Yeah, what Alex said, those are posix (Unix) placeholders that point to
folders (. self, and .. parent directory), they aren’t actual real folders.

On Sun, Jul 17, 2022 at 8:21 AM Alex Tweedly via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Those folders are
>
> "." - the folder itself
>
> ".." - the parent of the folder itself.
>
> As such, neither can be deleted directly, nor do they need to be in
> order to delete the folder itself. The folder itself should be deleted
> when the current folder is set to somewhere else.
>
> So - there isn't really a problem, just don't try to delete them by
> those names.
>
>
> Alex.
>
>
> On 17/07/2022 10:16, jbv via use-livecode wrote:
> > Hi list,
> >
> > On my LC Hosting account, I have a php script that creates directories :
> >    mkdir($dirname, 0755);
> > Each directory is used to temporarily store text & image files.
> >
> > Then I have a LC script that is supposed to delete those directories
> > under certain conditions. No problem for deleting files inside each
> > directory, but 2 sub-directories are systematically created, named
> > "." and ".." and those can't be deleted, either by script of via ftp.
> > Therefore, there's no way to delete the directories created via php.
> >
> > Last but not least, the doc for LC 9.6.8 says that "revDeleteFolder"
> > is the command to use to remove a folder and all its contents and that
> > it is available on both desktop and server platforms, but on my LC
> > hosting account I get : Handler: can't find handler (revDeleteFolder)
> >
> > Any idea how to solve this problem ?
> > Thank you in advance.
> > jbv
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > subscription preferences:
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Jul 19 18:48:43 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2022 22:48:43 +0000
Subject: Debugging libraries
In-Reply-To: <48032bc8-be5e-0ec3-f5d6-6f3f1860058d@sonic.net>
References: <88C847AF-40CA-42C0-871E-49D9FBB99D05@iotecdigital.com>
 <48032bc8-be5e-0ec3-f5d6-6f3f1860058d@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <945788AA-055B-432D-AA90-74DFE76E7BB5@iotecdigital.com>

Thanks for the reply Mark, I did that (after declaring the global first) but breakpoints did not break! But then I discovered that the error was that I was calling a function as a command. To my recollection the sqlYoga sqlquery_retrieveAsData was a command like the array and record variants, but apparently not. It's a function so the code never got around to executing. DOH! 

Bob S


> On Jul 19, 2022, at 10:45 , Mark Wieder via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> On 7/19/22 09:00, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
>> Hi all.
>> There is a global variable, I thought it was gRevDevelopment, where you set it to true if you need to debug a script which begins with "lib". I cannot think what that global is!
> 
> Set gRevDevelopment true to debug system stacks (starting with "rev" or plugins). And remember to set it false afterwards. If you're trying to debug a library that's been password-protected, though, it won't help.
> 
> -- 
> Mark Wieder
> ahsoftware at gmail.com



From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Tue Jul 19 19:30:05 2022
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2022 16:30:05 -0700
Subject: Debugging libraries
In-Reply-To: <945788AA-055B-432D-AA90-74DFE76E7BB5@iotecdigital.com>
References: <88C847AF-40CA-42C0-871E-49D9FBB99D05@iotecdigital.com>
 <48032bc8-be5e-0ec3-f5d6-6f3f1860058d@sonic.net>
 <945788AA-055B-432D-AA90-74DFE76E7BB5@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <4d501ba3-a664-b1df-5f22-bd327160bbb6@sonic.net>

On 7/19/22 15:48, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
> Thanks for the reply Mark, I did that (after declaring the global first) but breakpoints did not break! But then I discovered that the error was that I was calling a function as a command.

Shouldn't that have thrown a runtime error?

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com


From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Tue Jul 19 20:20:17 2022
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2022 17:20:17 -0700
Subject: Debugging libraries
In-Reply-To: <945788AA-055B-432D-AA90-74DFE76E7BB5@iotecdigital.com>
References: <88C847AF-40CA-42C0-871E-49D9FBB99D05@iotecdigital.com>
 <48032bc8-be5e-0ec3-f5d6-6f3f1860058d@sonic.net>
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On 7/19/22 15:48, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
> Thanks for the reply Mark, I did that (after declaring the global first) but breakpoints did not break! But then I discovered that the error was that I was calling a function as a command.

...and as a hint <g> the glx2 script editor will pop up a clairvoyance 
type-ahead bubble if you're using a command or a function properly, but 
won't if you're trying to use a function as a command or vice versa.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com


From gcanyon at gmail.com  Mon Jul 25 01:37:48 2022
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2022 22:37:48 -0700
Subject: Stylistic question.
In-Reply-To: <B00F6120-EBDF-4740-A4A3-A6491922AFDE@iotecdigital.com>
References: <a5a70233-b3c5-ded8-a8fa-f055803caca7@tweedly.net>
 <CADCoycPpkBSLoSXGCK51iWEaW_EOsWGFyVZ5i25sRjTAYD8UiQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <1818ceeb0b0.276f.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <B00F6120-EBDF-4740-A4A3-A6491922AFDE@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CAKCLKtoR=4CcjF79ThDpisZQUZkdxOfi8ueh518TJkV8xQqD7g@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry for the late response, but thanks for the shoutout. I'll also mention
that some time ago I put a fair bit of effort into enabling Navigator to
behavior-ify any set of controls, automatically extracting their built-in
code to script-only-stacks. I did it as part of the migration of Navigator
to SOS behaviors. I haven't checked to make sure, but I believe *all code*
in Navigator is a SOS-behavior; and I did that automatically from a
no-behaviors standing start with a simple command in Navigator itself. The
end result is that there can be any number of Navigator windows without any
duplication of code at all. Previously I had built Navigator with three
built-in copies, at the cost of making it three times as large. That wasn't
such a terrible thing, but I did find that anything beyond three copies
eventually broke (no idea why). Since migrating 100% to behaviors, I've
tried, I think, having ten copies open with no problem.

Disclaimer/warning: I wrote that code five years ago and haven't looked at
it since. No one has told me it doesn't work, but I only used it the one
time on Navigator itself. So work on a copy, please.

gc

On Wed, Jun 22, 2022 at 1:25 PM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Well then Navigator is for you! If an object has a behavior and no script
> of it's own, it's color in the list is green. If it has a script but no
> behavior, it's color is blue. If it has both, it's purple. Simply double
> clicking an object opens it's behavior script if it has one, and it's
> native script if it doesn't.
>
> You don't have to keep track of anything anymore.
>
> Bob S
>
>
> > On Jun 22, 2022, at 12:41 , J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > I find that too many behavior stacks make it difficult to keep track of
> where things are. But the primary downside is that script-only stacks don't
> work with remote debugging. That's a big drawback for me since most of my
> apps these days are for mobile. I do use behaviors quite a bit, but I put
> the scripts into buttons so they can be debugged remotely. Or maybe you
> mean you use regular stacks for behaviors? Those would work.
> >
> > The switch construct is way more flexible than if/then and much cleaner
> to read and track. I use them all the time. They're especially useful when
> you want to group several conditionals. What don't you like about them?
> Just curious.
> >
> > --
> > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>
>
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From gcanyon at gmail.com  Mon Jul 25 02:01:22 2022
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2022 23:01:22 -0700
Subject: Is syntax a dead issue?
Message-ID: <CAKCLKtqFSLP249B-eB-05RiZaPgZd8vxU3r-kOdC_9dEm=Ae6A@mail.gmail.com>

On this Hacker News thread <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32214419>,
I read this programming interview question
<https://benhoyt.com/writings/count-words/>. Roughly, the challenge is to
count the frequency of words in input, and return a list with counts,
sorted from most to least frequent. So input like this:

The foo the foo the
defenestration the

would produce output like this:

the 4
foo 2
defenestration 1

Of course I smiled because LC is literally built for this problem. I took
well under two minutes to write this function:

function wordCount X
   repeat for each word w in X
      add 1 to R[w]
   end repeat
   combine R using cr and tab
   sort R numeric descending by word 2 of each
   return R
end wordCount

There are quibbles -- the examples given in the article work line by line,
so input size isn't an issue, and of course quotes would cause an issue,
and LC is case insensitive, so it works, but the output would look like
this:

The 4
foo 2
defenestration 1

But generally, it works, and is super-easy to code. But for the sake of
argument, consider this Python solution given:

counts = collections.Counter()
for line in sys.stdin:
    words = line.lower().split()
    counts.update(words)

for word, count in counts.most_common():
    print(word, count)

That requires a library, but it's also super-easy to code and understand,
and it requires just the same number of lines. So, daydreaming extensions
to LC syntax, this comes to mind:

function wordCount X
   add 1 to R[w]  for each word w in X
   return R combined using cr and tab and sorted numeric descending by word
2 of each
end wordCount

or if you prefer:

function wordCount X
   for each word w in X add 1 to R[w]
   return (R combined using cr and tab) sorted numeric descending by word 2
of each
end wordCount

Or to really apply ourselves:

function wordCount X
   return the count of each word in X using cr and tab sorted numeric
descending by word 2 of each
end wordCount

So: the xTalk syntax is over thirty years old; when was the last
significant syntax update?

(I'm not at all core to the process, so feel free to tell me how much I've
missed lately!)

From gcanyon at gmail.com  Mon Jul 25 02:42:30 2022
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2022 23:42:30 -0700
Subject: Is syntax a dead issue?
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKtqFSLP249B-eB-05RiZaPgZd8vxU3r-kOdC_9dEm=Ae6A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKtqFSLP249B-eB-05RiZaPgZd8vxU3r-kOdC_9dEm=Ae6A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKCLKto+T3OvNhcO0mkkenaUG7e9DR6MF1jsp=QOX9r2fxEQLw@mail.gmail.com>

As a meta point, I wrote a version closer to the actual requirements --
lowercase everything, process an external input line by line to allow for
arbitrary input size. The result is about 8-10x slower than most other
languages -- not as bad as I feared, not as good as I hoped. Here's the
code for that version:

on mouseUp
   answer file "choose input:"
   if it is empty then exit mouseUp
   put it into F
   lock screen
   put the long seconds into T
   open file F for read
   repeat
      read from file F for 1 line
      repeat for each word w in toLower(it)
         add 1 to R[w]
      end repeat
      if the result is not empty then exit repeat
   end repeat
   combine R using cr and tab
   sort R numeric descending by word 2 of each
   put the long seconds - T into T1
   put R into fld "output"
   put the long seconds - T into T2
   put T1 && T2
   close file F
end mouseUp

On Sun, Jul 24, 2022 at 11:01 PM Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at gmail.com> wrote:

> On this Hacker News thread <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32214419>,
> I read this programming interview question
> <https://benhoyt.com/writings/count-words/>. Roughly, the challenge is to
> count the frequency of words in input, and return a list with counts,
> sorted from most to least frequent. So input like this:
>
> The foo the foo the
> defenestration the
>
> would produce output like this:
>
> the 4
> foo 2
> defenestration 1
>
> Of course I smiled because LC is literally built for this problem. I took
> well under two minutes to write this function:
>
> function wordCount X
>    repeat for each word w in X
>       add 1 to R[w]
>    end repeat
>    combine R using cr and tab
>    sort R numeric descending by word 2 of each
>    return R
> end wordCount
>
> There are quibbles -- the examples given in the article work line by line,
> so input size isn't an issue, and of course quotes would cause an issue,
> and LC is case insensitive, so it works, but the output would look like
> this:
>
> The 4
> foo 2
> defenestration 1
>
> But generally, it works, and is super-easy to code. But for the sake of
> argument, consider this Python solution given:
>
> counts = collections.Counter()
> for line in sys.stdin:
>     words = line.lower().split()
>     counts.update(words)
>
> for word, count in counts.most_common():
>     print(word, count)
>
> That requires a library, but it's also super-easy to code and understand,
> and it requires just the same number of lines. So, daydreaming extensions
> to LC syntax, this comes to mind:
>
> function wordCount X
>    add 1 to R[w]  for each word w in X
>    return R combined using cr and tab and sorted numeric descending by
> word 2 of each
> end wordCount
>
> or if you prefer:
>
> function wordCount X
>    for each word w in X add 1 to R[w]
>    return (R combined using cr and tab) sorted numeric descending by word
> 2 of each
> end wordCount
>
> Or to really apply ourselves:
>
> function wordCount X
>    return the count of each word in X using cr and tab sorted numeric
> descending by word 2 of each
> end wordCount
>
> So: the xTalk syntax is over thirty years old; when was the last
> significant syntax update?
>
> (I'm not at all core to the process, so feel free to tell me how much I've
> missed lately!)
>
>

From jbv at souslelogo.com  Mon Jul 25 02:59:04 2022
From: jbv at souslelogo.com (jbv at souslelogo.com)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2022 02:59:04 -0400
Subject: Is syntax a dead issue?
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKto+T3OvNhcO0mkkenaUG7e9DR6MF1jsp=QOX9r2fxEQLw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKtqFSLP249B-eB-05RiZaPgZd8vxU3r-kOdC_9dEm=Ae6A@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <ddc53fdf8c3331fd18da21603d265c3c@souslelogo.com>

Just curious : why do you use "read from file F for 1 line" ?
Instead, why don't you read the file in one go, load the content
into a variable and then use "for each line j in myVar" ?
Wouldn't that run faster ?

Best,
jbv


Le 2022-07-25 02:42, Geoff Canyon via use-livecode a crit :
> As a meta point, I wrote a version closer to the actual requirements --
> lowercase everything, process an external input line by line to allow 
> for
> arbitrary input size. The result is about 8-10x slower than most other
> languages -- not as bad as I feared, not as good as I hoped. Here's the
> code for that version:
> 
> on mouseUp
>    answer file "choose input:"
>    if it is empty then exit mouseUp
>    put it into F
>    lock screen
>    put the long seconds into T
>    open file F for read
>    repeat
>       read from file F for 1 line
>       repeat for each word w in toLower(it)
>          add 1 to R[w]
>       end repeat
>       if the result is not empty then exit repeat
>    end repeat
>    combine R using cr and tab
>    sort R numeric descending by word 2 of each
>    put the long seconds - T into T1
>    put R into fld "output"
>    put the long seconds - T into T2
>    put T1 && T2
>    close file F
> end mouseUp
> 
> On Sun, Jul 24, 2022 at 11:01 PM Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
>> On this Hacker News thread 
>> <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32214419>,
>> I read this programming interview question
>> <https://benhoyt.com/writings/count-words/>. Roughly, the challenge is 
>> to
>> count the frequency of words in input, and return a list with counts,
>> sorted from most to least frequent. So input like this:
>> 
>> The foo the foo the
>> defenestration the
>> 
>> would produce output like this:
>> 
>> the 4
>> foo 2
>> defenestration 1
>> 
>> Of course I smiled because LC is literally built for this problem. I 
>> took
>> well under two minutes to write this function:
>> 
>> function wordCount X
>>    repeat for each word w in X
>>       add 1 to R[w]
>>    end repeat
>>    combine R using cr and tab
>>    sort R numeric descending by word 2 of each
>>    return R
>> end wordCount
>> 
>> There are quibbles -- the examples given in the article work line by 
>> line,
>> so input size isn't an issue, and of course quotes would cause an 
>> issue,
>> and LC is case insensitive, so it works, but the output would look 
>> like
>> this:
>> 
>> The 4
>> foo 2
>> defenestration 1
>> 
>> But generally, it works, and is super-easy to code. But for the sake 
>> of
>> argument, consider this Python solution given:
>> 
>> counts = collections.Counter()
>> for line in sys.stdin:
>>     words = line.lower().split()
>>     counts.update(words)
>> 
>> for word, count in counts.most_common():
>>     print(word, count)
>> 
>> That requires a library, but it's also super-easy to code and 
>> understand,
>> and it requires just the same number of lines. So, daydreaming 
>> extensions
>> to LC syntax, this comes to mind:
>> 
>> function wordCount X
>>    add 1 to R[w]  for each word w in X
>>    return R combined using cr and tab and sorted numeric descending by
>> word 2 of each
>> end wordCount
>> 
>> or if you prefer:
>> 
>> function wordCount X
>>    for each word w in X add 1 to R[w]
>>    return (R combined using cr and tab) sorted numeric descending by 
>> word
>> 2 of each
>> end wordCount
>> 
>> Or to really apply ourselves:
>> 
>> function wordCount X
>>    return the count of each word in X using cr and tab sorted numeric
>> descending by word 2 of each
>> end wordCount
>> 
>> So: the xTalk syntax is over thirty years old; when was the last
>> significant syntax update?
>> 
>> (I'm not at all core to the process, so feel free to tell me how much 
>> I've
>> missed lately!)
>> 
>> 
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From jacques.clavel at gmail.com  Mon Jul 25 03:06:52 2022
From: jacques.clavel at gmail.com (Jacques Clavel)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2022 09:06:52 +0200
Subject: Is syntax a dead issue?
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKto+T3OvNhcO0mkkenaUG7e9DR6MF1jsp=QOX9r2fxEQLw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKtqFSLP249B-eB-05RiZaPgZd8vxU3r-kOdC_9dEm=Ae6A@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAKCLKto+T3OvNhcO0mkkenaUG7e9DR6MF1jsp=QOX9r2fxEQLw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALD5CnjJs=yTsAuqSv4p31tp-c+hyBE4nrLvENMK2QuArWj9bg@mail.gmail.com>

just curious : what about using LCB for the repeat loop ?

jc

Le lun. 25 juil. 2022 à 08:44, Geoff Canyon via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> a écrit :

> As a meta point, I wrote a version closer to the actual requirements --
> lowercase everything, process an external input line by line to allow for
> arbitrary input size. The result is about 8-10x slower than most other
> languages -- not as bad as I feared, not as good as I hoped. Here's the
> code for that version:
>
> on mouseUp
>    answer file "choose input:"
>    if it is empty then exit mouseUp
>    put it into F
>    lock screen
>    put the long seconds into T
>    open file F for read
>    repeat
>       read from file F for 1 line
>       repeat for each word w in toLower(it)
>          add 1 to R[w]
>       end repeat
>       if the result is not empty then exit repeat
>    end repeat
>    combine R using cr and tab
>    sort R numeric descending by word 2 of each
>    put the long seconds - T into T1
>    put R into fld "output"
>    put the long seconds - T into T2
>    put T1 && T2
>    close file F
> end mouseUp
>
> On Sun, Jul 24, 2022 at 11:01 PM Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On this Hacker News thread <
> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32214419>,
> > I read this programming interview question
> > <https://benhoyt.com/writings/count-words/>. Roughly, the challenge is
> to
> > count the frequency of words in input, and return a list with counts,
> > sorted from most to least frequent. So input like this:
> >
> > The foo the foo the
> > defenestration the
> >
> > would produce output like this:
> >
> > the 4
> > foo 2
> > defenestration 1
> >
> > Of course I smiled because LC is literally built for this problem. I took
> > well under two minutes to write this function:
> >
> > function wordCount X
> >    repeat for each word w in X
> >       add 1 to R[w]
> >    end repeat
> >    combine R using cr and tab
> >    sort R numeric descending by word 2 of each
> >    return R
> > end wordCount
> >
> > There are quibbles -- the examples given in the article work line by
> line,
> > so input size isn't an issue, and of course quotes would cause an issue,
> > and LC is case insensitive, so it works, but the output would look like
> > this:
> >
> > The 4
> > foo 2
> > defenestration 1
> >
> > But generally, it works, and is super-easy to code. But for the sake of
> > argument, consider this Python solution given:
> >
> > counts = collections.Counter()
> > for line in sys.stdin:
> >     words = line.lower().split()
> >     counts.update(words)
> >
> > for word, count in counts.most_common():
> >     print(word, count)
> >
> > That requires a library, but it's also super-easy to code and understand,
> > and it requires just the same number of lines. So, daydreaming extensions
> > to LC syntax, this comes to mind:
> >
> > function wordCount X
> >    add 1 to R[w]  for each word w in X
> >    return R combined using cr and tab and sorted numeric descending by
> > word 2 of each
> > end wordCount
> >
> > or if you prefer:
> >
> > function wordCount X
> >    for each word w in X add 1 to R[w]
> >    return (R combined using cr and tab) sorted numeric descending by word
> > 2 of each
> > end wordCount
> >
> > Or to really apply ourselves:
> >
> > function wordCount X
> >    return the count of each word in X using cr and tab sorted numeric
> > descending by word 2 of each
> > end wordCount
> >
> > So: the xTalk syntax is over thirty years old; when was the last
> > significant syntax update?
> >
> > (I'm not at all core to the process, so feel free to tell me how much
> I've
> > missed lately!)
> >
> >
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-- 
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From gcanyon at gmail.com  Mon Jul 25 10:15:20 2022
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2022 07:15:20 -0700
Subject: Is syntax a dead issue?
In-Reply-To: <ddc53fdf8c3331fd18da21603d265c3c@souslelogo.com>
References: <CAKCLKtqFSLP249B-eB-05RiZaPgZd8vxU3r-kOdC_9dEm=Ae6A@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAKCLKto+T3OvNhcO0mkkenaUG7e9DR6MF1jsp=QOX9r2fxEQLw@mail.gmail.com>
 <ddc53fdf8c3331fd18da21603d265c3c@souslelogo.com>
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On Mon, Jul 25, 2022 at 12:00 AM jbv via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Just curious : why do you use "read from file F for 1 line" ?
> Instead, why don't you read the file in one go, load the content
> into a variable and then use "for each line j in myVar" ?
> Wouldn't that run faster ?
>
> Best,
> jbv
>

My base version does all the processing in one go and ignores lines
entirely except as they count as white space. But the second set of
requirements for the task from the original post required dealing with
arbitrarily large inputs (it mentioned terabytes). It's not a completely
unrealistic concept: at the rate this goes on my Mac, it would take about
100 hours to process a terabyte input.

In any case, I just tried my base "all in one go" version on the 50mb test
file, and it's about 3x as fast as parsing line-by-line, which makes it
still among the slowest languages as far as I can tell -- no idea how my M1
Macbook Air compares to the machine he used.

From gcanyon at gmail.com  Mon Jul 25 10:16:13 2022
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2022 07:16:13 -0700
Subject: Is syntax a dead issue?
In-Reply-To: <CALD5CnjJs=yTsAuqSv4p31tp-c+hyBE4nrLvENMK2QuArWj9bg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKtqFSLP249B-eB-05RiZaPgZd8vxU3r-kOdC_9dEm=Ae6A@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAKCLKto+T3OvNhcO0mkkenaUG7e9DR6MF1jsp=QOX9r2fxEQLw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CALD5CnjJs=yTsAuqSv4p31tp-c+hyBE4nrLvENMK2QuArWj9bg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKCLKtqqk1kuUPb9YyyjXy2L6p-YVLTYTUHvxXrWKGRVhXKp8A@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Jul 25, 2022 at 12:08 AM Jacques Clavel via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> just curious : what about using LCB for the repeat loop ?
>
> jc
>

I confess I haven't touched LCB

From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Mon Jul 25 14:24:58 2022
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2022 13:24:58 -0500
Subject: Monterey + Dark Mode + LC 9.6.6
In-Reply-To: <A2BF86C3-412B-430E-9848-0E83ED717237@gmail.com>
References: <71F66BA4-23E7-4B56-9549-6DE442B74635@gmail.com>
 <A2BF86C3-412B-430E-9848-0E83ED717237@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHg3tG9tBmxnvsVSwgbg--cH=6Fr1cw0cz_yBi0oyUdFTLxoWQ@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for posting this Marty. I just needed to add that to my app :-)

-- 
Trevor DeVore
ScreenSteps

On Mon, Mar 7, 2022 at 7:10 PM Marty Knapp via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I think I found the issue. I use Levure to build my apps (great framework
> - you should try it!) and it uses a a customized plist file. I compared
> that to a plist file from a normally complied app and notice it has has
> parameter that is needed:
>
> <key>NSRequiresAquaSystemAppearance</key>
>         <true/>
>
> ---
> Marty Knapp
>
> > On Mar 7, 2022, at 4:05 PM, Marty Knapp <martyknappster at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > I just had a customer send a screen shot of my app (built with LC 9.6.6)
> running on Mac Monterey in dark mode and buttons and fields are all messed
> up. I don’t use dark mode and so tried it on my Mac and see the issue. I
> then tried an app built with a previous version of LC (9.6.1 I believe) and
> it looks fine. Anybody else seeing this?
> > ---
> > Marty Knapp
>
>
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From martyknappster at gmail.com  Mon Jul 25 15:06:45 2022
From: martyknappster at gmail.com (Marty Knapp)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2022 12:06:45 -0700
Subject: Monterey + Dark Mode + LC 9.6.6
In-Reply-To: <CAHg3tG9tBmxnvsVSwgbg--cH=6Fr1cw0cz_yBi0oyUdFTLxoWQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <71F66BA4-23E7-4B56-9549-6DE442B74635@gmail.com>
 <A2BF86C3-412B-430E-9848-0E83ED717237@gmail.com>
 <CAHg3tG9tBmxnvsVSwgbg--cH=6Fr1cw0cz_yBi0oyUdFTLxoWQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6AAA4E05-11E0-448C-9156-B96CC36C7793@gmail.com>

Glad I could reciprocate for once! 

I’m sure glad I took the time to learn Trevor's “Levure" framework - such great way to build apps in LC. I would encourage you to try this if you have not done so. One one of my favorite features is the update helper using the Sparkle framework. And you can’t beat the price - free!

https://github.com/trevordevore/levure/wiki
---
Marty Knapp

> On Jul 25, 2022, at 11:24 AM, Trevor DeVore via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Thanks for posting this Marty. I just needed to add that to my app :-)
> 
> -- 
> Trevor DeVore
> ScreenSteps
> 
> On Mon, Mar 7, 2022 at 7:10 PM Marty Knapp via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> I think I found the issue. I use Levure to build my apps (great framework
>> - you should try it!) and it uses a a customized plist file. I compared
>> that to a plist file from a normally complied app and notice it has has
>> parameter that is needed:
>> 
>> <key>NSRequiresAquaSystemAppearance</key>
>>        <true/>
>> 
>> ---
>> Marty Knapp
>> 
>>> On Mar 7, 2022, at 4:05 PM, Marty Knapp <martyknappster at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I just had a customer send a screen shot of my app (built with LC 9.6.6)
>> running on Mac Monterey in dark mode and buttons and fields are all messed
>> up. I don’t use dark mode and so tried it on my Mac and see the issue. I
>> then tried an app built with a previous version of LC (9.6.1 I believe) and
>> it looks fine. Anybody else seeing this?
>>> ---
>>> Marty Knapp
>> 
>> 
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From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Tue Jul 26 09:20:58 2022
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2022 08:20:58 -0500
Subject: Automating LiveCode builds with Github Actions?
Message-ID: <CAHg3tG8kaHvdm0XNxT_+0WptXnzorLU=jqS9syF1hcCEePD77A@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

I would like to automate the following sequential steps using Github
Actions and I'm wondering if anyone has experience automating LiveCode with
Github Actions that they could share.

1. Open a stack in LiveCode and send a message to it. This would be for
building a Levure application.
2. Build an MSI file using Wix
3. Build an exe installer with Inno Setup.

The end result would be the ability to create MSI and exe installers from a
LIveCode application from a central location (Github) either manually or as
part of another workflow.

-- 
Trevor DeVore
ScreenSteps

From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Jul 26 11:06:59 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2022 15:06:59 +0000
Subject: sqlYoga queries
Message-ID: <A9C5054A-FF91-448B-AF88-46744134B833@iotecdigital.com>

Hi. This is directed at Trevor Devore, although if anyone else knows they can chime in. 

sqlYoga can define table objects and relations in a database object. Heretofore I have not availed myself of this, being content to only work with query objects and record objects. Now as I am trying to optimize this new socket agent I wrote, I am wondering if a single query for all the data for a given customer/site/device would be more time efficient than multiple queries for each table. So the question is, if I were to use table and relations, could I craft a statement so that it perfoms a single query? 

Bob S



From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Tue Jul 26 11:47:58 2022
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2022 10:47:58 -0500
Subject: sqlYoga queries
In-Reply-To: <A9C5054A-FF91-448B-AF88-46744134B833@iotecdigital.com>
References: <A9C5054A-FF91-448B-AF88-46744134B833@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CAHg3tG_PuKJOQztzi9P=vSnmE-QG4HFy9to3j8zMDP-ZUTgvhw@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Jul 26, 2022 at 10:08 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> sqlYoga can define table objects and relations in a database object.
> Heretofore I have not availed myself of this, being content to only work
> with query objects and record objects. Now as I am trying to optimize this
> new socket agent I wrote, I am wondering if a single query for all the data
> for a given customer/site/device would be more time efficient than multiple
> queries for each table. So the question is, if I were to use table and
> relations, could I craft a statement so that it perfoms a single query?
>

Hi Bob,

So table/relationship objects in SQL Yoga aren't required here. You can set
the `related table joins` (or just `joins`) property of a SQL Query Object.
See docs:
https://github.com/trevordevore/sql-yoga/wiki/SQL-Yoga-API#sqlquery_set

Per the docs, if you have table and relationship objects defined you can
use shorthand to set the property. You can just use the longhand approach
to run some tests and see if your code runs faster with a single query that
returns data from multiple tables vs multiple queries that query each table
individually.

-- 
Trevor DeVore
ScreenSteps

From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Jul 26 11:54:20 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2022 15:54:20 +0000
Subject: sqlYoga queries
In-Reply-To: <CAHg3tG_PuKJOQztzi9P=vSnmE-QG4HFy9to3j8zMDP-ZUTgvhw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <A9C5054A-FF91-448B-AF88-46744134B833@iotecdigital.com>
 <CAHg3tG_PuKJOQztzi9P=vSnmE-QG4HFy9to3j8zMDP-ZUTgvhw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A2EEC113-74BF-4CA9-8E02-CE7D73C21D7A@iotecdigital.com>

Thanks Trevor. I'll give it a go. 

Bob S


> On Jul 26, 2022, at 08:47 , Trevor DeVore via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2022 at 10:08 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> sqlYoga can define table objects and relations in a database object.
>> Heretofore I have not availed myself of this, being content to only work
>> with query objects and record objects. Now as I am trying to optimize this
>> new socket agent I wrote, I am wondering if a single query for all the data
>> for a given customer/site/device would be more time efficient than multiple
>> queries for each table. So the question is, if I were to use table and
>> relations, could I craft a statement so that it perfoms a single query?
>> 
> 
> Hi Bob,
> 
> So table/relationship objects in SQL Yoga aren't required here. You can set
> the `related table joins` (or just `joins`) property of a SQL Query Object.
> See docs:
> https://github.com/trevordevore/sql-yoga/wiki/SQL-Yoga-API#sqlquery_set
> 
> Per the docs, if you have table and relationship objects defined you can
> use shorthand to set the property. You can just use the longhand approach
> to run some tests and see if your code runs faster with a single query that
> returns data from multiple tables vs multiple queries that query each table
> individually.
> 
> -- 
> Trevor DeVore
> ScreenSteps
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From dan at clearvisiontech.com  Tue Jul 26 12:42:40 2022
From: dan at clearvisiontech.com (Dan Friedman)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2022 16:42:40 +0000
Subject: Android Player Object in Background
Message-ID: <FC5AC9B8-F1DE-4139-864C-AC656C081B75@clearvisiontech.com>

I have a music playing app that uses the native player object to play music.  When in the background, iOS allows control of the playing song in the Control Center.  This not function this way on Android.  There is a androidStartAudioPlayingInBackground command, but that plays a supplied url, not from the player object.   Does anyone have any insight on this?

-Dan


From dan at clearvisiontech.com  Tue Jul 26 12:45:04 2022
From: dan at clearvisiontech.com (Dan Friedman)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2022 16:45:04 +0000
Subject: LiveCode access to mpnowplayinginfocenter?
Message-ID: <EE16DE26-51BC-42EA-BD2C-BBD44432442B@clearvisiontech.com>

On iOS, a song playing in the native player can be controlled in the Control Center.  However, it doesn't display the song name, or artwork or other details.  Looks like LC needs to access mpnowplayinginfocenter.  Is this possible?   Anyone know anything about this?

-Dan


From tom at makeshyft.com  Tue Jul 26 17:28:10 2022
From: tom at makeshyft.com (Tom Glod)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2022 17:28:10 -0400
Subject: Android Player Object in Background
In-Reply-To: <FC5AC9B8-F1DE-4139-864C-AC656C081B75@clearvisiontech.com>
References: <FC5AC9B8-F1DE-4139-864C-AC656C081B75@clearvisiontech.com>
Message-ID: <CAPzQJLLN_axPSStzPL58n9iMsUmOZYpA2VLfR99G-ihnZm1XGw@mail.gmail.com>

The way I achieved this is using a html 5 player in the browser instead of
the player object.
The player has no way of doing this currently....as far as I know.

On Tue, Jul 26, 2022 at 12:43 PM Dan Friedman via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I have a music playing app that uses the native player object to play
> music.  When in the background, iOS allows control of the playing song in
> the Control Center.  This not function this way on Android.  There is a
> androidStartAudioPlayingInBackground command, but that plays a supplied
> url, not from the player object.   Does anyone have any insight on this?
>
> -Dan
>
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From dan at clearvisiontech.com  Tue Jul 26 18:23:22 2022
From: dan at clearvisiontech.com (Dan Friedman)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2022 22:23:22 +0000
Subject: Android Player Object in Background
In-Reply-To: <CAPzQJLLN_axPSStzPL58n9iMsUmOZYpA2VLfR99G-ihnZm1XGw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <FC5AC9B8-F1DE-4139-864C-AC656C081B75@clearvisiontech.com>
 <CAPzQJLLN_axPSStzPL58n9iMsUmOZYpA2VLfR99G-ihnZm1XGw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B8EFD145-B037-4FEA-94A3-0AC3AB332519@clearvisiontech.com>

Tom,

Yes, I know the browser will do this.  That's what we did originally.   But, I couldn't get enough control over the playback in the browser.  The Player Object does everything I need!   Except work with the OS apparently.  I'll have to reach out to LC for assistance.

-Dan


On 7/26/22, 2:29 PM, "use-livecode on behalf of Tom Glod via use-livecode" <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com on behalf of use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

    The way I achieved this is using a html 5 player in the browser instead of
    the player object.
    The player has no way of doing this currently....as far as I know.

    On Tue, Jul 26, 2022 at 12:43 PM Dan Friedman via use-livecode <
    use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

    > I have a music playing app that uses the native player object to play
    > music.  When in the background, iOS allows control of the playing song in
    > the Control Center.  This not function this way on Android.  There is a
    > androidStartAudioPlayingInBackground command, but that plays a supplied
    > url, not from the player object.   Does anyone have any insight on this?
    >
    > -Dan
    >
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From paul at researchware.com  Wed Jul 27 11:17:23 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2022 11:17:23 -0400
Subject: Livecode Builder developer wanted
In-Reply-To: <cdf489f1-eb80-798f-8104-ff923fa71130@researchware.com>
References: <cdf489f1-eb80-798f-8104-ff923fa71130@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <f1a0ec3e-1f6e-b01b-6182-a837d27328d8@researchware.com>

Still looking for a LCB developer to build/configure Trevor's wrapper 
for pocketsphinx for macOS also for Windows.


On 7/14/2022 3:50 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
> I am looking to hire someone to take what Trevor DeVore started 3 
> years ago, for the Livecode conference, of making an LCB wrapper for 
> pocketsphinx (https://github.com/trevordevore/lc-pocketsphinx) for 
> macOS and extend it to Windows including builds of the pocketsphinx 
> libraries for macOS and Windows. Essentially, advance it a bit further 
> so it can just be plugged into Livecode and used as a library in the 
> IDE and standalones.
>
> Anyone experienced in making LCB libraries for macOS and Windows 
> interested?
>
> If so, please email me off-list and send me a rate and/or estimate.
>
> P.S. I contacted Trevor, but he is tied up with other work and 
> unavailable.
>
> Paul Dupuis
> Researchware
>
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From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Thu Jul 28 08:39:59 2022
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2022 08:39:59 -0400
Subject: Livecode Builder developer wanted
In-Reply-To: <f1a0ec3e-1f6e-b01b-6182-a837d27328d8@researchware.com>
References: <cdf489f1-eb80-798f-8104-ff923fa71130@researchware.com>
 <f1a0ec3e-1f6e-b01b-6182-a837d27328d8@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycOR-Z2vDQW4YVDT7Ddcmd7MXb2pGg=ZPs65pGJszhe0uw@mail.gmail.com>

I don't know if I'm surprised or not surprised that the LCB takeup seems to
be low.

On Wed, Jul 27, 2022 at 11:18 AM Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Still looking for a LCB developer to build/configure Trevor's wrapper
> for pocketsphinx for macOS also for Windows.
>
>
> On 7/14/2022 3:50 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
> > I am looking to hire someone to take what Trevor DeVore started 3
> > years ago, for the Livecode conference, of making an LCB wrapper for
> > pocketsphinx (https://github.com/trevordevore/lc-pocketsphinx) for
> > macOS and extend it to Windows including builds of the pocketsphinx
> > libraries for macOS and Windows. Essentially, advance it a bit further
> > so it can just be plugged into Livecode and used as a library in the
> > IDE and standalones.
> >
> > Anyone experienced in making LCB libraries for macOS and Windows
> > interested?
> >
> > If so, please email me off-list and send me a rate and/or estimate.
> >
> > P.S. I contacted Trevor, but he is tied up with other work and
> > unavailable.
> >
> > Paul Dupuis
> > Researchware
> >
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On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."

From paul at researchware.com  Thu Jul 28 10:57:23 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2022 10:57:23 -0400
Subject: Livecode Builder developer wanted
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycOR-Z2vDQW4YVDT7Ddcmd7MXb2pGg=ZPs65pGJszhe0uw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <cdf489f1-eb80-798f-8104-ff923fa71130@researchware.com>
 <f1a0ec3e-1f6e-b01b-6182-a837d27328d8@researchware.com>
 <CADCoycOR-Z2vDQW4YVDT7Ddcmd7MXb2pGg=ZPs65pGJszhe0uw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <fca710db-db22-1ef7-5b65-cbe5e9f93c15@researchware.com>

On 7/28/2022 8:39 AM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode wrote:
> I don't know if I'm surprised or not surprised that the LCB takeup seems to
> be low.
>
>

Actually, I am surprised. I have seen mentioned on this list dozens of 
LCB widgets and libraries, including those developed by others and 
licensed by Livecode for the Summer Bundle. Not hundreds true, but many 
dozens. That implies to e there are at least a few dozen LCB developers 
out there.

What I'm seeking is just to take what Trevor has already done in LCB for 
macOS and set it up for Windows as well. For someone with with 
experience at making LCB wrappers for DLLs, I would expect this work to 
be a relatively small effort (most likely no more than 1 day). I can 
learn how to do this, but I expect it will take me 4-8 times as long. So 
basic math says that if I can find someone to perform the task for pay, 
it is likely a better option than my trying to spend the time to do it 
myself. I also figured, since it would seem to be a small job, that it 
might be attractive to an LCB developer out there to fill in and around 
other work they are doing.

However, if there are no takers, then I guess I'll just make the time 
and jump in.



From harrison at all-auctions.com  Thu Jul 28 11:57:55 2022
From: harrison at all-auctions.com (harrison at all-auctions.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2022 11:57:55 -0400
Subject: Livecode Builder developer wanted
In-Reply-To: <fca710db-db22-1ef7-5b65-cbe5e9f93c15@researchware.com>
References: <cdf489f1-eb80-798f-8104-ff923fa71130@researchware.com>
 <f1a0ec3e-1f6e-b01b-6182-a837d27328d8@researchware.com>
 <CADCoycOR-Z2vDQW4YVDT7Ddcmd7MXb2pGg=ZPs65pGJszhe0uw@mail.gmail.com>
 <fca710db-db22-1ef7-5b65-cbe5e9f93c15@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <1C5DF67E-1332-42DB-BF43-1B0F709EF140@all-auctions.com>

Hi Paul,

I seriously doubt that anyone would be chomping at the bit for this task.

First, you expect the person to spend their free time looking at the task to 
determine the effort and cost required to accomplish the task.  There is
no paid incentive to do that first step.  If after the person gave you their
estimate, and you decided you didn’t like it, then the developer has lost
their time and effort for nothing.

Secondly you have stated that you expect the effort required would be 
no more than 1 day.  It’s very possible that your 1 day projection is 
completely off the mark. If it took the person more time than that, you
would probably be dissatisfied.  Who would want to deal with that?

Thirdly, even if your projection of 1 day of effort was 100% correct, why would
anyone want to bother trying to do the task for just one day’s pay?  It simply
isn’t worth the time or the hassle for any potential programmer to want to
deal with the task for that reason alone.

So yes, the bottom line here for you is that you indeed will have to work
on the task yourself or it’s not going to get done at all.

I hope you will keep this in mind for any future work you would like 
to have performed.

I have to get back to my work here.

I hope you have a fruitful and productive day!

Cheers,

Rick



> On Jul 28, 2022, at 10:57 AM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> What I'm seeking is just to take what Trevor has already done in LCB for macOS and set it up for Windows as well. For someone with with experience at making LCB wrappers for DLLs, I would expect this work to be a relatively small effort (most likely no more than 1 day).


From paul at researchware.com  Thu Jul 28 12:23:52 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2022 12:23:52 -0400
Subject: Livecode Builder developer wanted
In-Reply-To: <1C5DF67E-1332-42DB-BF43-1B0F709EF140@all-auctions.com>
References: <cdf489f1-eb80-798f-8104-ff923fa71130@researchware.com>
 <f1a0ec3e-1f6e-b01b-6182-a837d27328d8@researchware.com>
 <CADCoycOR-Z2vDQW4YVDT7Ddcmd7MXb2pGg=ZPs65pGJszhe0uw@mail.gmail.com>
 <fca710db-db22-1ef7-5b65-cbe5e9f93c15@researchware.com>
 <1C5DF67E-1332-42DB-BF43-1B0F709EF140@all-auctions.com>
Message-ID: <7611291e-0782-ff86-d8e9-bff5cbe329ad@researchware.com>

I've hired and managed independent software developers for various 
businesses for nearly 40 years. I am well aware of the market.

We pay competitive contract rates. My estimate of time is probably about 
right for someone who has set up at least 1 or 2 cross-platform LCB DLL 
wrappers based on decades of estimating IT projects, but it was more 
meant to suggest the work is something in the scope of many hours to 
days vs. weeks or months.

As for job size, if you are a contract developer who has a queue of 
large jobs providing regular income, good for you. My experience is that 
many contract developers value non-time sensitive small jobs they can 
fit in and around larger projects to fill in the inevitable gaps between 
larger projects that can come up.

If no one is available or interested, as I said, it is not time 
sensitive, so we can either wait or tackle it ourselves as time permits.

Paul Dupuis
Researchware

  On 7/28/2022 11:57 AM, harrison--- via use-livecode wrote:
> Hi Paul,
>
> I seriously doubt that anyone would be chomping at the bit for this task.
>
> First, you expect the person to spend their free time looking at the task to
> determine the effort and cost required to accomplish the task.  There is
> no paid incentive to do that first step.  If after the person gave you their
> estimate, and you decided you didnt like it, then the developer has lost
> their time and effort for nothing.
>
> Secondly you have stated that you expect the effort required would be
> no more than 1 day.  Its very possible that your 1 day projection is
> completely off the mark. If it took the person more time than that, you
> would probably be dissatisfied.  Who would want to deal with that?
>
> Thirdly, even if your projection of 1 day of effort was 100% correct, why would
> anyone want to bother trying to do the task for just one days pay?  It simply
> isnt worth the time or the hassle for any potential programmer to want to
> deal with the task for that reason alone.
>
> So yes, the bottom line here for you is that you indeed will have to work
> on the task yourself or its not going to get done at all.
>
> I hope you will keep this in mind for any future work you would like
> to have performed.
>
> I have to get back to my work here.
>
> I hope you have a fruitful and productive day!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Rick
>
>
>
>> On Jul 28, 2022, at 10:57 AM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> What I'm seeking is just to take what Trevor has already done in LCB for macOS and set it up for Windows as well. For someone with with experience at making LCB wrappers for DLLs, I would expect this work to be a relatively small effort (most likely no more than 1 day).
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From harrison at all-auctions.com  Thu Jul 28 13:43:43 2022
From: harrison at all-auctions.com (harrison at all-auctions.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2022 13:43:43 -0400
Subject: Livecode Builder developer wanted
In-Reply-To: <7611291e-0782-ff86-d8e9-bff5cbe329ad@researchware.com>
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Hi Paul,

You should have led with that information.

Keys here:  Not time sensitive. Pay competitive rates:  What is your rate?  Be upfront with that if you can.

Thanks for clearing things up a bit.

Cheers,

Rick
                    

> On Jul 28, 2022, at 12:23 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I've hired and managed independent software developers for various businesses for nearly 40 years. I am well aware of the market.
> 
> We pay competitive contract rates. My estimate of time is probably about right for someone who has set up at least 1 or 2 cross-platform LCB DLL wrappers based on decades of estimating IT projects, but it was more meant to suggest the work is something in the scope of many hours to days vs. weeks or months.
> 
> As for job size, if you are a contract developer who has a queue of large jobs providing regular income, good for you. My experience is that many contract developers value non-time sensitive small jobs they can fit in and around larger projects to fill in the inevitable gaps between larger projects that can come up.
> 
> If no one is available or interested, as I said, it is not time sensitive, so we can either wait or tackle it ourselves as time permits.
> 
> Paul Dupuis
> Researchware


From paul at researchware.com  Sat Jul 30 15:53:22 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2022 15:53:22 -0400
Subject: wait 0 with messages
Message-ID: <1cae43a6-063a-8243-cee2-cbf8e3b45e47@researchware.com>

My understanding of 'wait 0 with messages' is that it will cause any 
pending messages, that are not scheduled for a time later than the 
current time, in the pendingMessages queue to be processed before 
continuing. Messages later than the current time (when the statement is 
executed) will not be processed (yet).

Is this correct?



From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Sat Jul 30 19:49:36 2022
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2022 16:49:36 -0700
Subject: wait 0 with messages
In-Reply-To: <1cae43a6-063a-8243-cee2-cbf8e3b45e47@researchware.com>
References: <1cae43a6-063a-8243-cee2-cbf8e3b45e47@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <73d66312-e94e-aba5-5189-67ed6dc9995e@sonic.net>

On 7/30/22 12:53, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
> My understanding of 'wait 0 with messages' is that it will cause any 
> pending messages, that are not scheduled for a time later than the 
> current time, in the pendingMessages queue to be processed before 
> continuing. Messages later than the current time (when the statement is 
> executed) will not be processed (yet).
> 
> Is this correct?

My understanding of this is close but not quite the same.
The "wait 0 with messages" statement is the fastest implementation 
("wait 0") of an opportunity for the system event loop to process any 
pending instructions. The "with messages" statement in effect yields 
control to the event loop to check if any "send in time" messages have 
timed out and are pending or to handle other tasks that may have 
accumulated (mouse or keyboard events, etc).

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com


From paul at researchware.com  Sat Jul 30 22:02:54 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2022 22:02:54 -0400
Subject: wait 0 with messages
In-Reply-To: <73d66312-e94e-aba5-5189-67ed6dc9995e@sonic.net>
References: <1cae43a6-063a-8243-cee2-cbf8e3b45e47@researchware.com>
 <73d66312-e94e-aba5-5189-67ed6dc9995e@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <ab1a0a53-f4f0-ed90-298a-6aaf4a01f7ea@researchware.com>

On 7/30/2022 7:49 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:
> On 7/30/22 12:53, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
>> My understanding of 'wait 0 with messages' is that it will cause any 
>> pending messages, that are not scheduled for a time later than the 
>> current time, in the pendingMessages queue to be processed before 
>> continuing. Messages later than the current time (when the statement 
>> is executed) will not be processed (yet).
>>
>> Is this correct?
>
> My understanding of this is close but not quite the same.
> The "wait 0 with messages" statement is the fastest implementation 
> ("wait 0") of an opportunity for the system event loop to process any 
> pending instructions. The "with messages" statement in effect yields 
> control to the event loop to check if any "send in time" messages have 
> timed out and are pending or to handle other tasks that may have 
> accumulated (mouse or keyboard events, etc).
>

So Mark,

Your understanding is that 'wait 0' (WITHOUT with messages) would allow 
OS events like a screen redraw, USB drive insertion/removal, etc. but 
NOT livecode engine events in the queue like mouseDown, mouseUp, 
resumeStack, etc,

OR

That wait 0 (again without with messages) would include in addition to 
OS events, LC built-in events like mouseDown, resumeStack, etc., but not 
custom messages (or LC standard messages) sent to the queue via sent in 
time?

Thanks for responding!



From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Sun Jul 31 01:04:14 2022
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2022 22:04:14 -0700
Subject: wait 0 with messages
In-Reply-To: <ab1a0a53-f4f0-ed90-298a-6aaf4a01f7ea@researchware.com>
References: <1cae43a6-063a-8243-cee2-cbf8e3b45e47@researchware.com>
 <73d66312-e94e-aba5-5189-67ed6dc9995e@sonic.net>
 <ab1a0a53-f4f0-ed90-298a-6aaf4a01f7ea@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <8c7a0ae9-c8c8-14be-aea1-efa3cb915bd0@sonic.net>

On 7/30/22 19:02, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:

> So Mark,
> 
> Your understanding is that 'wait 0' (WITHOUT with messages) would allow 
> OS events like a screen redraw, USB drive insertion/removal, etc. but 
> NOT livecode engine events in the queue like mouseDown, mouseUp, 
> resumeStack, etc,
> 
> OR
> 
> That wait 0 (again without with messages) would include in addition to 
> OS events, LC built-in events like mouseDown, resumeStack, etc., but not 
> custom messages (or LC standard messages) sent to the queue via sent in 
> time?

I don't think "wait 0" by itself does anything useful. Make a stack with 
two buttons. Running the script in the first button will prevent mouseUp 
events in button 2 from being processed.

button 1 script:
on mouseUp
   repeat forever
     wait 0
   end repeat
end mouseUp

button 2 script:
on mouseUp
   put the name of me & cr after msg
end mouseUp

Now hit command-period to exit to the debugger, change the script of 
button 1 to

on mouseUp
   repeat forever
     wait 0 with messages
   end repeat
end mouseUp

and you can click button 2 and see new text in the message box.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Jul 31 15:14:39 2022
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2022 14:14:39 -0500
Subject: wait 0 with messages
In-Reply-To: <8c7a0ae9-c8c8-14be-aea1-efa3cb915bd0@sonic.net>
References: <1cae43a6-063a-8243-cee2-cbf8e3b45e47@researchware.com>
 <73d66312-e94e-aba5-5189-67ed6dc9995e@sonic.net>
 <ab1a0a53-f4f0-ed90-298a-6aaf4a01f7ea@researchware.com>
 <8c7a0ae9-c8c8-14be-aea1-efa3cb915bd0@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <079188a0-9eac-521d-c0d0-a0f1cb087cdb@hyperactivesw.com>

On 7/31/22 12:04 AM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:
> 
> I don't think "wait 0" by itself does anything useful. Make a stack with two buttons. Running 
> the script in the first button will prevent mouseUp events in button 2 from being processed.

I think it must do something, "wait 0" is a workaround for bug 22453 (and 18924 which is now 
marked as a duplicate.) I had to use the workaround and it works.

So my take is that any wait allows LC to do housekeeping, and "with messages" also allows 
app-generated messages. I'd like to get a confirmation from the team though.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Sun Jul 31 23:46:38 2022
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2022 20:46:38 -0700
Subject: wait 0 with messages
In-Reply-To: <079188a0-9eac-521d-c0d0-a0f1cb087cdb@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <1cae43a6-063a-8243-cee2-cbf8e3b45e47@researchware.com>
 <73d66312-e94e-aba5-5189-67ed6dc9995e@sonic.net>
 <ab1a0a53-f4f0-ed90-298a-6aaf4a01f7ea@researchware.com>
 <8c7a0ae9-c8c8-14be-aea1-efa3cb915bd0@sonic.net>
 <079188a0-9eac-521d-c0d0-a0f1cb087cdb@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <bc420582-2095-b11c-a5ce-b4824c788520@sonic.net>

On 7/31/22 12:14, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
> On 7/31/22 12:04 AM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:
>>
>> I don't think "wait 0" by itself does anything useful. Make a stack 
>> with two buttons. Running the script in the first button will prevent 
>> mouseUp events in button 2 from being processed.
> 
> I think it must do something, "wait 0" is a workaround for bug 22453 
> (and 18924 which is now marked as a duplicate.) I had to use the 
> workaround and it works.
> 
> So my take is that any wait allows LC to do housekeeping, and "with 
> messages" also allows app-generated messages. I'd like to get a 
> confirmation from the team though.

That's pretty bizarre. I wonder what's going on. All I can think of is 
that processing the wait command gives the java JNI command enough time 
to recover before processing the mobileControlSet vscroll command. And 
ios wouldn't need that extra time because there's no java interaction.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com