Into the future

[Bob Sneidar]

I understand that perfectly. I am not blaming the LC people, but the net effect is what it is. I *would* like to see the option for NOT codesigning apps, so that the choice can be left up to us, but I suspect that with OS 11, the option to run non-codesigned apps has already been deprecated. 

Bob S


> On Feb 28, 2022, at 09:51 , Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> It isn't really a LiveCode ting. This is Apple placing these requirements on their developers no matter what language you write code in for the macOS.
> 
> On 2/28/2022 12:43 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
>> I guess the question now becomes, what is the last Livecode app that can create standalones without requiring these certificates? I may need to plant my flag there and go no further.
>> 
>> Bob S
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 28, 2022, at 09:36 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> It occurs to me that this may drive a lot of hobbyist Livecoders away, and discourage others from coming onboard. There ought to be some kind of disclaimer on the website, since it is a paid product only now. I'd be a bit miffed if I bought an application for developing new apps and didn't know that there would be more cash outlay required before it would work.
>>> 
>>> Bob S
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Feb 28, 2022, at 09:25 , Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> No, you really have to go through all of that. The few helper stacks out there are just front ends (using the shell command to call command line utilities from xcode) that make it easier once you have everything set up.
>>>> 
>>>> Yes, it sucks.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 2/28/2022 12:18 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
>>>>> Okay, so I am at the point that I cannot build apps without codesigning and notarizing. Livecode will throw an error now if I try and don't have these certificates installed. Great.
>>>>> 
>>>>> So I have been going through the tutorial, and I see I have to be an Apple Developer, which means I have to shell out yet another $100 per year. Fine, I did that, even though my app is for internal consumption only.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Now It appears that for me to get the certificates needed to create a Mac standalone, I need xCode! Okay, I go to download xCode, and it will not install because my MacOS is too old! 10.15.1 is apparently ancient! So I am at the point now where I am asking myself, is this really worth it? After all the back and forth on the list where people's certificates expire, or the version of xCode they are forced to use isn't compatible with one thing or another, is building Mac standalones really worth it?
>>>>> 
>>>>> So my question is, do I really have to go through all this just to create a Mac standalone from livecode? Or do these other utilities, mrSignNotarizeHelperV3 for example, eliminate the need for all of that?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Bob S
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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