From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Aug  1 11:20:49 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2022 15:20:49 +0000
Subject: wait 0 with messages
In-Reply-To: <079188a0-9eac-521d-c0d0-a0f1cb087cdb@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <1cae43a6-063a-8243-cee2-cbf8e3b45e47@researchware.com>
 <73d66312-e94e-aba5-5189-67ed6dc9995e@sonic.net>
 <ab1a0a53-f4f0-ed90-298a-6aaf4a01f7ea@researchware.com>
 <8c7a0ae9-c8c8-14be-aea1-efa3cb915bd0@sonic.net>
 <079188a0-9eac-521d-c0d0-a0f1cb087cdb@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <56AA8EF8-C926-4A17-AEC3-16EA9D85350D@iotecdigital.com>

This is correct. 

Bob S


> On Jul 31, 2022, at 12:14 , J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> On 7/31/22 12:04 AM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:
>> I don't think "wait 0" by itself does anything useful. Make a stack with two buttons. Running the script in the first button will prevent mouseUp events in button 2 from being processed.
> 
> I think it must do something, "wait 0" is a workaround for bug 22453 (and 18924 which is now marked as a duplicate.) I had to use the workaround and it works.
> 
> So my take is that any wait allows LC to do housekeeping, and "with messages" also allows app-generated messages. I'd like to get a confirmation from the team though.
> 
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From paul at researchware.com  Mon Aug  1 15:43:25 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2022 15:43:25 -0400
Subject: wait 0 with messages (and the defaultStack)
In-Reply-To: <1cae43a6-063a-8243-cee2-cbf8e3b45e47@researchware.com>
References: <1cae43a6-063a-8243-cee2-cbf8e3b45e47@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <4187625e-70c0-4873-05b9-78681c875c8f@researchware.com>

On 7/30/2022 3:53 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
> My understanding of 'wait 0 with messages' is that it will cause any 
> pending messages, that are not scheduled for a time later than the 
> current time, in the pendingMessages queue to be processed before 
> continuing. Messages later than the current time (when the statement 
> is executed) will not be processed (yet).
>
> Is this correct?
>

First, than you to those that have responded.

The reason I got curious about 'wait 0 with messages' (or even just 
'wait 0') is because of an epiphany I had just last week regarding a bug 
a customer reported in our software. The customer experienced and 
execution error and our software presents a custom dialog that allows 
them to email out support account some information, including the 
'executionContexts' so we have some code debugging information.

The problem as a 'can't find object' error. In reviewing the code, I 
could see no way that the error should have occurred. The code was using 
the ChartMaker library to create a graph. It all looked good per 
documentation and we could not reproduce the error in house. I then 
noticed a 'wait 0 with messages' prior to the line the error occurred on 
and noticed that the line that had the error used object references 
relative to the current stack (which the defaultStack was explicitly set 
to much prior).

My epiphany was realizing - for the first time, despite LiveCodeing 
since HyperCard and having a Masters in Computer Science and my entire 
career being in the IT/software development space for over 40 years - 
that when the 'wait 0 with messages' is executed, if there was a pending 
USER click on another window, the defaultStack could change and then the 
relative object references would not be able to find their target objects.

Perhaps I should have realized that a 'wait 0 with messages' COULD 
result in the defaultStack changing much sooner OR perhaps I should 
always fully qualify all object references (which I have been doing for 
quite a few years, but this was old code), but it is a 'gotcha' of using 
wait with messages I had never thought of.

The Dictionary Entry (LC 9.6.8) does state "If the wait..with messages 
form is used, LiveCode continues normal processing during the wait. The 
current handler is frozen, but the user can start other handlers and 
perform other actions such as switching cards." and 'switching cards' 
does imply changing the context of relative object references even if 
the defaultStack does not change, so perhaps I should have realized, but 
didn't until just last week.

Now I am very curious about exactly what wait 0 with messages does and 
also about what actions change the defaultStack. Does anyone know of an 
article or something someone has done to identify all the messages, 
commands, or functions that change (or potentially change) the defaultStack?





From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Aug  1 16:08:30 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2022 20:08:30 +0000
Subject: wait 0 with messages (and the defaultStack)
In-Reply-To: <4187625e-70c0-4873-05b9-78681c875c8f@researchware.com>
References: <1cae43a6-063a-8243-cee2-cbf8e3b45e47@researchware.com>
 <4187625e-70c0-4873-05b9-78681c875c8f@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <2DBED7E7-0692-4E1C-88FA-7A8396BE4017@iotecdigital.com>

It's my understanding that wait allows idle messages from the engine to be sent. When that happens, any send in time messages are processed. Wait with messages allows any other messages including engine messages to be processed. 

For instance, I have a FindBar object that uses wait 1 second with messages in a keyDown handler so that as the user continues to type the keystrokes can be processed. If the user pauses for 1 or more seconds, the code that performs the find is triggered, and then I exit to top to prevent any more unnecessary processing (otherwise the loop would keep going until all the keystrokes were processed). 

Bob S


> On Aug 1, 2022, at 12:43 , Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Now I am very curious about exactly what wait 0 with messages does and also about what actions change the defaultStack. Does anyone know of an article or something someone has done to identify all the messages, commands, or functions that change (or potentially change) the defaultStack?



From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Aug  1 16:16:24 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2022 20:16:24 +0000
Subject: wait 0 with messages (and the defaultStack)
In-Reply-To: <4187625e-70c0-4873-05b9-78681c875c8f@researchware.com>
References: <1cae43a6-063a-8243-cee2-cbf8e3b45e47@researchware.com>
 <4187625e-70c0-4873-05b9-78681c875c8f@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <C9E6D818-C65F-4B08-9037-8103431CF6C1@iotecdigital.com>

As my application(s) became more complex, I also ran into topstack and curentcard issues. As a result, I am in the habit now of either using "of me" appended to every command of in a card or stack script, or else sending the long id of an object to a command or function that is not in the message path. 

For instance, if I am processing all the fields on a card, I put the handler in the card script and then use the form 'field "myField" of me' to reference each field. Even better, if I reference the object repeatedly I will 'put the long id of <object reference> of me' into a variable initially, then use the variable as a reference. 

Bob S


> On Aug 1, 2022, at 12:43 , Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> The Dictionary Entry (LC 9.6.8) does state "If the wait..with messages form is used, LiveCode continues normal processing during the wait. The current handler is frozen, but the user can start other handlers and perform other actions such as switching cards." and 'switching cards' does imply changing the context of relative object references even if the defaultStack does not change, so perhaps I should have realized, but didn't until just last week.



From paul at researchware.com  Mon Aug  1 16:25:08 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2022 16:25:08 -0400
Subject: wait 0 with messages (and the defaultStack)
In-Reply-To: <C9E6D818-C65F-4B08-9037-8103431CF6C1@iotecdigital.com>
References: <1cae43a6-063a-8243-cee2-cbf8e3b45e47@researchware.com>
 <4187625e-70c0-4873-05b9-78681c875c8f@researchware.com>
 <C9E6D818-C65F-4B08-9037-8103431CF6C1@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <f8be6d7d-d702-8a95-4fab-8d56b94d9b80@researchware.com>

Yea, a number of years ago, I went to always fully qualifying object 
references through all the techniques you mentioned, but we've just not 
had a chance to scrub the entire code base (100,000 lines+) and so this 
one got missed until now.

We're now going through the entire code base to catch any last cases 
where object references could be in error due to any wait with messages 
statements (combined with user actions).


On 8/1/2022 4:16 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
> As my application(s) became more complex, I also ran into topstack and curentcard issues. As a result, I am in the habit now of either using "of me" appended to every command of in a card or stack script, or else sending the long id of an object to a command or function that is not in the message path.
>
> For instance, if I am processing all the fields on a card, I put the handler in the card script and then use the form 'field "myField" of me' to reference each field. Even better, if I reference the object repeatedly I will 'put the long id of <object reference> of me' into a variable initially, then use the variable as a reference.
>
> Bob S
>
>
>> On Aug 1, 2022, at 12:43 , Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> The Dictionary Entry (LC 9.6.8) does state "If the wait..with messages form is used, LiveCode continues normal processing during the wait. The current handler is frozen, but the user can start other handlers and perform other actions such as switching cards." and 'switching cards' does imply changing the context of relative object references even if the defaultStack does not change, so perhaps I should have realized, but didn't until just last week.
>
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From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Wed Aug  3 09:10:55 2022
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2022 15:10:55 +0200
Subject: Is Livecode (the company) closed for holiday?
Message-ID: <F1F5BD95-9A3F-424C-B75D-D0A268F16C18@m-r-d.de>

Hi,

does anyone know if Livecode Ltd. is closed for holiday or so?

I am just wondering, my Pro Support request is not answered since Friday and no one can be reached by phone.

Regards,

Matthias



From sean at pidigital.co.uk  Wed Aug  3 09:36:19 2022
From: sean at pidigital.co.uk (Sean Cole)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2022 14:36:19 +0100
Subject: Dispatch
Message-ID: <CABRqQSSw4os6_WO87g=WPpstfuRZ6T8rKZa_qaWGPjWyTS4nrw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,
I've been thinking about the command 'dispatch'. Is there any
advantage/disadvantage in using it over just calling your handler?
Thanks
Sean

From craig at starfirelighting.com  Wed Aug  3 10:30:21 2022
From: craig at starfirelighting.com (Craig Newman)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2022 10:30:21 -0400
Subject: Dispatch
In-Reply-To: <CABRqQSSw4os6_WO87g=WPpstfuRZ6T8rKZa_qaWGPjWyTS4nrw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABRqQSSw4os6_WO87g=WPpstfuRZ6T8rKZa_qaWGPjWyTS4nrw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D5EE7348-BE69-4C68-BAC5-B22929659DFF@starfirelighting.com>

Hi.

“Send” and “Dispatch” do much the same thing, but they do differ in how they interact with the message patch. They also each include their own personal gadgetry that comes in handy in different scenarios. Read about both in the dictionary, and do some experimentation with both.

Craig

> On Aug 3, 2022, at 9:36 AM, Sean Cole via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> I've been thinking about the command 'dispatch'. Is there any
> advantage/disadvantage in using it over just calling your handler?
> Thanks
> Sean
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Aug  3 11:23:20 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2022 15:23:20 +0000
Subject: Dispatch
In-Reply-To: <D5EE7348-BE69-4C68-BAC5-B22929659DFF@starfirelighting.com>
References: <CABRqQSSw4os6_WO87g=WPpstfuRZ6T8rKZa_qaWGPjWyTS4nrw@mail.gmail.com>
 <D5EE7348-BE69-4C68-BAC5-B22929659DFF@starfirelighting.com>
Message-ID: <0C81E366-8423-4A8C-87DA-43AE7D11A39A@iotecdigital.com>

Send allows you to send in time. However the command or function must exist or you will throw an error. Dispatch cannot use send in time, but if a handler does not exist in the message path of the object you dispatch to, no error will be thrown. 

This can come in handy. Let's say you have assigned a behavior in all your fields, but in a few of your fields you have a special handler called Cleanup. You can then, 'dispatch "cleanup" to me' in any handler in the behavior. The fields that have the cleanup handler will get the message. The ones that don't will not throw an error. 

Bob S


> On Aug 3, 2022, at 07:30 , Craig Newman via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> On Aug 3, 2022, at 9:36 AM, Sean Cole via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> I've been thinking about the command 'dispatch'. Is there any
>> advantage/disadvantage in using it over just calling your handler?
>> Thanks
>> Sean



From sean at pidigital.co.uk  Wed Aug  3 11:27:04 2022
From: sean at pidigital.co.uk (Sean Cole)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2022 16:27:04 +0100
Subject: Dispatch
In-Reply-To: <D5EE7348-BE69-4C68-BAC5-B22929659DFF@starfirelighting.com>
References: <CABRqQSSw4os6_WO87g=WPpstfuRZ6T8rKZa_qaWGPjWyTS4nrw@mail.gmail.com>
 <D5EE7348-BE69-4C68-BAC5-B22929659DFF@starfirelighting.com>
Message-ID: <CABRqQSQ6oY8icZCEbRnzGmtgF2fWSWi0kdW84Aay=FNr_ji4UA@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Craig,
I was particularly asking if there was any 'advantage/disadvantage' in using

dispatch myHandler with myVar

over just using

myHandler

The dictionary defines its advantages for use with behaviours and that it
returns in the 'it' variable if the message was handled or not - useful
even when not used with behaviours in some cases I could imagine.

However, I wondered if anyone else had already done the experimentation as
to the dis/advantages of the above. Just making use of the community :)
Sean

On Wed, 3 Aug 2022 at 15:30, Craig Newman via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi.
>
> “Send” and “Dispatch” do much the same thing, but they do differ in how
> they interact with the message patch. They also each include their own
> personal gadgetry that comes in handy in different scenarios. Read about
> both in the dictionary, and do some experimentation with both.
>
> Craig
>
> > On Aug 3, 2022, at 9:36 AM, Sean Cole via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> > I've been thinking about the command 'dispatch'. Is there any
> > advantage/disadvantage in using it over just calling your handler?
> > Thanks
> > Sean
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Aug  3 11:27:33 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2022 15:27:33 +0000
Subject: Dispatch
In-Reply-To: <0C81E366-8423-4A8C-87DA-43AE7D11A39A@iotecdigital.com>
References: <CABRqQSSw4os6_WO87g=WPpstfuRZ6T8rKZa_qaWGPjWyTS4nrw@mail.gmail.com>
 <D5EE7348-BE69-4C68-BAC5-B22929659DFF@starfirelighting.com>
 <0C81E366-8423-4A8C-87DA-43AE7D11A39A@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <28DF53EE-8854-4CD2-AE17-95D821551FE0@iotecdigital.com>

That should read, "Dispatch cannot use 'in time'"

> On Aug 3, 2022, at 08:23 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Dispatch cannot use send in time



From heather at livecode.com  Wed Aug  3 11:31:10 2022
From: heather at livecode.com (Heather Laine)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2022 16:31:10 +0100
Subject: Is Livecode (the company) closed for holiday?
In-Reply-To: <F1F5BD95-9A3F-424C-B75D-D0A268F16C18@m-r-d.de>
References: <F1F5BD95-9A3F-424C-B75D-D0A268F16C18@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <536B753A-698F-450A-81F0-872BE2DD1E31@livecode.com>

We are open. Yesterday was a bank holiday in Scotland yes. We don't work at weekends. I have a fair bit to catch up on and I'm not at my usual desk owing to some family issues hence cannot answer the phone. I see your ticket and it is going to get a response very shortly... I am nearing it in the queue.

:)

Best Regards,

Heather

Heather Laine
Customer Services Manager
LiveCode Ltd
www.livecode.com



> On 3 Aug 2022, at 14:10, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> does anyone know if Livecode Ltd. is closed for holiday or so?
> 
> I am just wondering, my Pro Support request is not answered since Friday and no one can be reached by phone.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Matthias
> 
> 
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From heather at livecode.com  Wed Aug  3 11:33:32 2022
From: heather at livecode.com (Heather Laine)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2022 16:33:32 +0100
Subject: Is Livecode (the company) closed for holiday?
In-Reply-To: <536B753A-698F-450A-81F0-872BE2DD1E31@livecode.com>
References: <F1F5BD95-9A3F-424C-B75D-D0A268F16C18@m-r-d.de>
 <536B753A-698F-450A-81F0-872BE2DD1E31@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <F4DEB1FA-571B-4A3D-B6DB-2846D730BEB3@livecode.com>

*Monday was a bank holiday. I see that today is Wednesday so my comment that yesterday was a bank holiday was erroneous. It was Tuesday. As previously mentioned, I am working around some family issues and there is a fair bit of support to catch up on.

Best Regards,

Heather

Heather Laine
Customer Services Manager
LiveCode Ltd
www.livecode.com



> On 3 Aug 2022, at 16:31, Heather Laine via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> We are open. Yesterday was a bank holiday in Scotland yes. We don't work at weekends. I have a fair bit to catch up on and I'm not at my usual desk owing to some family issues hence cannot answer the phone. I see your ticket and it is going to get a response very shortly... I am nearing it in the queue.
> 
> :)
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Heather
> 
> Heather Laine
> Customer Services Manager
> LiveCode Ltd
> www.livecode.com
> 
> 
> 
>> On 3 Aug 2022, at 14:10, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> does anyone know if Livecode Ltd. is closed for holiday or so?
>> 
>> I am just wondering, my Pro Support request is not answered since Friday and no one can be reached by phone.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Matthias
>> 
>> 
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From sean at pidigital.co.uk  Wed Aug  3 11:38:15 2022
From: sean at pidigital.co.uk (Sean Cole)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2022 16:38:15 +0100
Subject: Dispatch
In-Reply-To: <0C81E366-8423-4A8C-87DA-43AE7D11A39A@iotecdigital.com>
References: <CABRqQSSw4os6_WO87g=WPpstfuRZ6T8rKZa_qaWGPjWyTS4nrw@mail.gmail.com>
 <D5EE7348-BE69-4C68-BAC5-B22929659DFF@starfirelighting.com>
 <0C81E366-8423-4A8C-87DA-43AE7D11A39A@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CABRqQSR+wGkZehm1L6UoA4h9R0uxjBG_76wTL8yPgkbAZHHcMw@mail.gmail.com>

Awesome Bob,
Thanks for the info. That is really helpful. I often use 'try' to catch
incidents where things trip over, but this might just be more useful and
perform slightly better going forward.

Are there any other tips for its use?

Sean


On Wed, 3 Aug 2022 at 16:23, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Send allows you to send in time. However the command or function must
> exist or you will throw an error. Dispatch cannot use send in time, but if
> a handler does not exist in the message path of the object you dispatch to,
> no error will be thrown.
>
> This can come in handy. Let's say you have assigned a behavior in all your
> fields, but in a few of your fields you have a special handler called
> Cleanup. You can then, 'dispatch "cleanup" to me' in any handler in the
> behavior. The fields that have the cleanup handler will get the message.
> The ones that don't will not throw an error.
>
> Bob S
>
>
> > On Aug 3, 2022, at 07:30 , Craig Newman via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Aug 3, 2022, at 9:36 AM, Sean Cole via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi all,
> >> I've been thinking about the command 'dispatch'. Is there any
> >> advantage/disadvantage in using it over just calling your handler?
> >> Thanks
> >> Sean
>
>
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From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Wed Aug  3 11:42:02 2022
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2022 17:42:02 +0200
Subject: Is Livecode (the company) closed for holiday?
In-Reply-To: <F4DEB1FA-571B-4A3D-B6DB-2846D730BEB3@livecode.com>
References: <F1F5BD95-9A3F-424C-B75D-D0A268F16C18@m-r-d.de>
 <536B753A-698F-450A-81F0-872BE2DD1E31@livecode.com>
 <F4DEB1FA-571B-4A3D-B6DB-2846D730BEB3@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <3D0E41E9-5E79-42E3-8036-792FFB1186F7@m-r-d.de>

Hello Heather,
thanks for your reply. That explains it.

All the best for you family issues.

Regards,

Matthias

> Am 03.08.2022 um 17:33 schrieb Heather Laine via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> *Monday was a bank holiday. I see that today is Wednesday so my comment that yesterday was a bank holiday was erroneous. It was Tuesday. As previously mentioned, I am working around some family issues and there is a fair bit of support to catch up on.
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Heather
> 
> Heather Laine
> Customer Services Manager
> LiveCode Ltd
> www.livecode.com
> 
> 
> 
>> On 3 Aug 2022, at 16:31, Heather Laine via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> We are open. Yesterday was a bank holiday in Scotland yes. We don't work at weekends. I have a fair bit to catch up on and I'm not at my usual desk owing to some family issues hence cannot answer the phone. I see your ticket and it is going to get a response very shortly... I am nearing it in the queue.
>> 
>> :)
>> 
>> Best Regards,
>> 
>> Heather
>> 
>> Heather Laine
>> Customer Services Manager
>> LiveCode Ltd
>> www.livecode.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 3 Aug 2022, at 14:10, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> does anyone know if Livecode Ltd. is closed for holiday or so?
>>> 
>>> I am just wondering, my Pro Support request is not answered since Friday and no one can be reached by phone.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Matthias
>>> 
>>> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Aug  3 11:43:28 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2022 15:43:28 +0000
Subject: Is Livecode (the company) closed for holiday?
In-Reply-To: <F4DEB1FA-571B-4A3D-B6DB-2846D730BEB3@livecode.com>
References: <F1F5BD95-9A3F-424C-B75D-D0A268F16C18@m-r-d.de>
 <536B753A-698F-450A-81F0-872BE2DD1E31@livecode.com>
 <F4DEB1FA-571B-4A3D-B6DB-2846D730BEB3@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <FD0A9B9D-376C-494A-938F-9020E1454D24@iotecdigital.com>

All my prayers. 

Bob S


> On Aug 3, 2022, at 08:33 , Heather Laine via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> *Monday was a bank holiday. I see that today is Wednesday so my comment that yesterday was a bank holiday was erroneous. It was Tuesday. As previously mentioned, I am working around some family issues and there is a fair bit of support to catch up on.
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Heather
> 
> Heather Laine



From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Wed Aug  3 11:53:06 2022
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2022 08:53:06 -0700
Subject: Dispatch
In-Reply-To: <CABRqQSSw4os6_WO87g=WPpstfuRZ6T8rKZa_qaWGPjWyTS4nrw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABRqQSSw4os6_WO87g=WPpstfuRZ6T8rKZa_qaWGPjWyTS4nrw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <79446712-559b-9177-ea02-26eacaadc37a@sonic.net>

On 8/3/22 06:36, Sean Cole via use-livecode wrote:
> Hi all,
> I've been thinking about the command 'dispatch'. Is there any
> advantage/disadvantage in using it over just calling your handler?

If you can invoke a command/function directly then for the most part 
there's no real advantage in using dispatch.

I never use send anymore unless I need send a message in time.
I do use dispatch extensively, mostly for two reasons.

One, if I'm calling a handler in a different object that is outside the 
normal message path then I'll dispatch the handler to that object rather 
than using send. One caveat: note that the dispatch command returns a 
three-state value: "handled", "unhandled", and "passed". So on checking 
the return value I use "if it it not unhandled then...". The advantage 
is that there's no runtime error if the command isn't caught, at the 
slight disadvantage of having to check whether it was handled.

The second case where I use dispatch is as a form of publish/subscribe: 
dispatching a command without a receiver object sends the command along 
the message path where it can be handled/passed by any object along the 
way. Or not. Mostly in this paradigm I don't need or want to check the 
return value because it's irrelevant to the sender whether or not the 
message was handled.

The dispatch command can also be useful for feature management. Dispatch 
a command down the message path, and if the given feature is enabled 
then the command will be handled. If not then there's no downside to 
calling the feature because it won't cause a runtime error.


-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com


From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net  Wed Aug  3 12:14:49 2022
From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2022 12:14:49 -0400
Subject: Is Livecode (the company) closed for holiday?
In-Reply-To: <FD0A9B9D-376C-494A-938F-9020E1454D24@iotecdigital.com>
References: <F1F5BD95-9A3F-424C-B75D-D0A268F16C18@m-r-d.de>
 <536B753A-698F-450A-81F0-872BE2DD1E31@livecode.com>
 <F4DEB1FA-571B-4A3D-B6DB-2846D730BEB3@livecode.com>
 <FD0A9B9D-376C-494A-938F-9020E1454D24@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <005201d8a754$2b458f20$81d0ad60$@net>

+1

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services


-----Original Message-----
From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf
Of Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2022 11:43 AM
To: How to use LiveCode
Cc: Bob Sneidar
Subject: Re: Is Livecode (the company) closed for holiday?

All my prayers. 

Bob S


> On Aug 3, 2022, at 08:33 , Heather Laine via use-livecode
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> *Monday was a bank holiday. I see that today is Wednesday so my comment
that yesterday was a bank holiday was erroneous. It was Tuesday. As
previously mentioned, I am working around some family issues and there is a
fair bit of support to catch up on.
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Heather
> 
> Heather Laine


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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Aug  3 12:14:47 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2022 16:14:47 +0000
Subject: Dispatch
In-Reply-To: <79446712-559b-9177-ea02-26eacaadc37a@sonic.net>
References: <CABRqQSSw4os6_WO87g=WPpstfuRZ6T8rKZa_qaWGPjWyTS4nrw@mail.gmail.com>
 <79446712-559b-9177-ea02-26eacaadc37a@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <55AF53BA-B023-4E4E-BB28-A8885F5C420B@iotecdigital.com>

One correction. If a value is returned by the handler that was called, the result will be that value. 

Bob S


> On Aug 3, 2022, at 08:53 , Mark Wieder via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> One, if I'm calling a handler in a different object that is outside the normal message path then I'll dispatch the handler to that object rather than using send. One caveat: note that the dispatch command returns a three-state value: "handled", "unhandled", and "passed". So on checking the return value I use "if it it not unhandled then...". The advantage is that there's no runtime error if the command isn't caught, at the slight disadvantage of having to check whether it was handled.



From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Wed Aug  3 12:25:44 2022
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2022 09:25:44 -0700
Subject: Dispatch
In-Reply-To: <55AF53BA-B023-4E4E-BB28-A8885F5C420B@iotecdigital.com>
References: <CABRqQSSw4os6_WO87g=WPpstfuRZ6T8rKZa_qaWGPjWyTS4nrw@mail.gmail.com>
 <79446712-559b-9177-ea02-26eacaadc37a@sonic.net>
 <55AF53BA-B023-4E4E-BB28-A8885F5C420B@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <20a53b53-5a34-a550-ef1d-d5b216c7404f@sonic.net>

On 8/3/22 09:14, Bob Sneidar wrote:
> One correction. If a value is returned by the handler that was called, the result will be that value.

Yeah - good catch. I meant to say the "it" value is three-state, not the 
"result".

dispatch someMessage
if it is not "unhandled" then...
or
if it is "passed" then...
or
if it is "handled" then...

and note that you can dispatch functions as well a commands, and the 
return value of the function will be in the result if "it" is not 
"unhandled".


-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com


From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net  Wed Aug  3 12:56:28 2022
From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2022 12:56:28 -0400
Subject: Dispatch / Send / Wait with/without Messages
In-Reply-To: <55AF53BA-B023-4E4E-BB28-A8885F5C420B@iotecdigital.com>
References: <CABRqQSSw4os6_WO87g=WPpstfuRZ6T8rKZa_qaWGPjWyTS4nrw@mail.gmail.com>
 <79446712-559b-9177-ea02-26eacaadc37a@sonic.net>
 <55AF53BA-B023-4E4E-BB28-A8885F5C420B@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <005601d8a759$fc36d710$f4a48530$@net>

I'm having the same epiphany as Paul did below. The cornucopia of
flexibility(and gotchas) that LC's message path model provides using:
1) Standard issue calling of commands and functions.
2) Engine messages
3) Send (optionally in time)
4) Dispatch
5) Wait in time with/without messages
6) exit to top

And any others that I left out or don't know about can do things that I
never could have imagined when I first found LC. Although I use all the
above there's probably combinations I can't wrap my head around without more
info. This would be a great as a dedicated chapter in a book and/or a Dr
Mark W symposium followed by Q&A at the next RR Live. There seems to be a
lot of app power/error prevention in the message path gold. For a newbie the
LCs message path gold would be very attractive if it was only well
documented and advertised.

My 2 cents...

Now back to changing some "wait with messages" to plain old waits to prevent
users from clicking and getting my code into trouble now-and-again.

Thanks to all on the list for this info!!!

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdimola at evergreeninfo.net


-----Original Message-----
From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf
Of Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2022 12:15 PM
To: How to use LiveCode
Cc: Bob Sneidar
Subject: Re: Dispatch

One correction. If a value is returned by the handler that was called, the
result will be that value. 

Bob S


> On Aug 3, 2022, at 08:53 , Mark Wieder via use-livecode
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> One, if I'm calling a handler in a different object that is outside the
normal message path then I'll dispatch the handler to that object rather
than using send. One caveat: note that the dispatch command returns a
three-state value: "handled", "unhandled", and "passed". So on checking the
return value I use "if it it not unhandled then...". The advantage is that
there's no runtime error if the command isn't caught, at the slight
disadvantage of having to check whether it was handled.


On 7/30/2022 3:53 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
> My understanding of 'wait 0 with messages' is that it will cause any 
> pending messages, that are not scheduled for a time later than the 
> current time, in the pendingMessages queue to be processed before 
> continuing. Messages later than the current time (when the statement 
> is executed) will not be processed (yet).
>
> Is this correct?
>

First, than you to those that have responded.

The reason I got curious about 'wait 0 with messages' (or even just 'wait
0') is because of an epiphany I had just last week regarding a bug a
customer reported in our software. The customer experienced and execution
error and our software presents a custom dialog that allows them to email
out support account some information, including the 'executionContexts' so
we have some code debugging information.

The problem as a 'can't find object' error. In reviewing the code, I could
see no way that the error should have occurred. The code was using the
ChartMaker library to create a graph. It all looked good per documentation
and we could not reproduce the error in house. I then noticed a 'wait 0 with
messages' prior to the line the error occurred on and noticed that the line
that had the error used object references relative to the current stack
(which the defaultStack was explicitly set to much prior).

My epiphany was realizing - for the first time, despite LiveCodeing since
HyperCard and having a Masters in Computer Science and my entire career
being in the IT/software development space for over 40 years - that when the
'wait 0 with messages' is executed, if there was a pending USER click on
another window, the defaultStack could change and then the relative object
references would not be able to find their target objects.

Perhaps I should have realized that a 'wait 0 with messages' COULD result in
the defaultStack changing much sooner OR perhaps I should always fully
qualify all object references (which I have been doing for quite a few
years, but this was old code), but it is a 'gotcha' of using wait with
messages I had never thought of.

The Dictionary Entry (LC 9.6.8) does state "If the wait..with messages form
is used, LiveCode continues normal processing during the wait. The current
handler is frozen, but the user can start other handlers and perform other
actions such as switching cards." and 'switching cards' 
does imply changing the context of relative object references even if the
defaultStack does not change, so perhaps I should have realized, but didn't
until just last week.

Now I am very curious about exactly what wait 0 with messages does and also
about what actions change the defaultStack. Does anyone know of an article
or something someone has done to identify all the messages, commands, or
functions that change (or potentially change) the defaultStack?



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From dfe4 at cornell.edu  Wed Aug  3 14:13:27 2022
From: dfe4 at cornell.edu (David Epstein)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2022 14:13:27 -0400
Subject: Is there a way to create a generic setprop handler?
References: <4E830440-7E96-4968-966D-D678573A4622@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4B96778D-8A8A-454C-A9B5-4A115BC1AFA1@cornell.edu>

Control “A” has many custom properties that are set by a variety of other controls.  If Control “A” has a "setProp property1” handler, it can react when property1 gets set.  But is there a way to give Control “A” a general handler that will be triggered whenever any of its custom properties is set?

David Epstein



From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Aug  3 14:36:51 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2022 18:36:51 +0000
Subject: Is there a way to create a generic setprop handler?
In-Reply-To: <4B96778D-8A8A-454C-A9B5-4A115BC1AFA1@cornell.edu>
References: <4E830440-7E96-4968-966D-D678573A4622@comcast.net>
 <4B96778D-8A8A-454C-A9B5-4A115BC1AFA1@cornell.edu>
Message-ID: <D1BBE313-F72A-48CF-A295-E71535D888AD@iotecdigital.com>

If I understand you then no. The only thing I would suggest is to use dispatch to trigger the "general handler" in all of your virtual properties (custom property is not the right phrase when referring to getProp/setProp). 

Bob S


> On Aug 3, 2022, at 11:13 , David Epstein via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Control “A” has many custom properties that are set by a variety of other controls.  If Control “A” has a "setProp property1” handler, it can react when property1 gets set.  But is there a way to give Control “A” a general handler that will be triggered whenever any of its custom properties is set?
> 
> David Epstein


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Aug  3 14:49:47 2022
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2022 11:49:47 -0700
Subject: Dispatch
In-Reply-To: <CABRqQSQ6oY8icZCEbRnzGmtgF2fWSWi0kdW84Aay=FNr_ji4UA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABRqQSQ6oY8icZCEbRnzGmtgF2fWSWi0kdW84Aay=FNr_ji4UA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <486e9c51-d82b-c069-44b9-ad1f0fd61a08@fourthworld.com>

Sean Cole write:

 > I was particularly asking if there was any 'advantage/disadvantage'
 > in using
 >
 >  dispatch myHandler with myVar
 >
 > over just using
 >
 >  myHandler


In coding as in life, when in doubt leave it out.

If something isn't needed it's usually simplest to not go out of your 
way to add it.

The message path is fine.

It works reliably, and with as much efficiency as the team can throw at 
it. In most cases it's not only the easiest thing to type and the most 
efficient to execute, its simplicity and predictability also aid 
debugging and maintenance.

For those times when you need an exception to the message path, LC 
provides many.  Send, do, call, dispatch, etc. - each has their own 
unique set of tradeoffs that make it a good fit for the specific 
circumstance where the native message path isn't what you need.

But those are for exceptional circumstances.

The native message path is the norm of this language.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Aug  3 15:28:10 2022
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2022 12:28:10 -0700
Subject: Is there a way to create a generic setprop handler?
In-Reply-To: <4B96778D-8A8A-454C-A9B5-4A115BC1AFA1@cornell.edu>
References: <4B96778D-8A8A-454C-A9B5-4A115BC1AFA1@cornell.edu>
Message-ID: <7293bb11-f5fa-4849-929f-cafca6063330@fourthworld.com>

David Epstein wrote:

 > Control A has many custom properties that are set by a variety
 > of other controls.  If Control A has a "setProp property1
 > handler, it can react when property1 gets set.  But is there a
 > way to give Control A a general handler that will be triggered
 > whenever any of its custom properties is set?

I don't know of a way to trap getProp and setProp generically, and that 
may not be bad since it would affect the performance of all custom 
property access, whether it's the subset of properties you're interested 
in or not.

An alternative could be to put the properties you want custom handling 
for into a custom property set of their own, e.g.:

    getPRop uPropSet[pKey]
       put the params
    end uPropSet

    on mouseUp
       get the uPropSet["key1"] of me
    end mouseUp

...puts this in the Message Box:

    uPropSet "key1"

This will allow open-ended trapping of property keys, but limited in 
scope to the set you need that for.


A word of caution with dependency on getProp and setProp:

Those messages are subject to suspension during lockMessages, which may 
be exactly what you want, or may have unintended side effects that can 
be maddening to track down if you don't keep that in mind.

Using getProp and setProp requires review of your code base, including 
any third-party libraries, which may lock messages so you can evaluate 
the implications for your circumstance.


If you need consistently reliable ways to trigger custom evaluation 
consider accessor handlers instead.  LockMessages only prevents system 
messages; calling a custom handler is not affected by lockMessages.

Examples:

-- Using an object as the value container:
on SetMyProp pKey, pVal
    set the uPropSet[pKey] of <someobject> to pVal
end SetMyProp

function GetMyProp pKey
   return the uPropSet[pKey] of <someObject>
end GetMyProp


-- Using an array variable as the value container:
on SetMyProp pKey, pVal
    put pVal into sPropVarA[pKey]
end SetMyProp

function GetMyProp pKey
   return sPropVarA[pKey]
end GetMyProp



-- Usage for either storage method:

on mouseUp
   SetMyProp "key1", "val1"
end mouseUp

on mouseUp
   put GetMyProp("key1") into fld 1
end mouseUp



Fun: If you abstract data access using normal custom handlers, you have 
one-stop-shopping to change the storage mechanism.  If you don't need 
persistence across sessions a variable may do, and if you need 
persistence you can store in an object whose stackfile gets saved, or 
encode the array variable and save that to disk, or use a local 
database, or even use any form of remote storage across the internet if 
you like -- all by updating just two handlers.


-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com


From dfe4 at cornell.edu  Wed Aug  3 18:08:48 2022
From: dfe4 at cornell.edu (David Epstein)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2022 18:08:48 -0400
Subject: Chart widget question
Message-ID: <B07133DD-E92C-4291-A308-47680501DF6E@cornell.edu>

Using LC 10 dp2, I am trying to script the creation of a chart widget.  

My command “create widget myName as chart in group myMain” creates only a small gray box.  

The LC command “New Widget/Chart” creates a line chart, ready to be modified.  What is the LC command doing that I am not?

Or:  how do I find the script that LC runs when the “New Widget/Chart” command is chosen?

David Epstein

From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Wed Aug  3 18:58:32 2022
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2022 00:58:32 +0200
Subject: Chart widget question
In-Reply-To: <B07133DD-E92C-4291-A308-47680501DF6E@cornell.edu>
References: <B07133DD-E92C-4291-A308-47680501DF6E@cornell.edu>
Message-ID: <38E3ED19-48AF-42D4-AEAA-7EC32216087A@m-r-d.de>

I have here only DP4 to test.

Don't you have to use com.livecode.widget.chart as widgetkind?

With
create widget "myChart" as "com.livecode.widget.chart"

set the width of last widget to 250

set the height of last widget to 250


i was able to create a chart. 

Regards,
Matthias


> Am 04.08.2022 um 00:08 schrieb David Epstein via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Using LC 10 dp2, I am trying to script the creation of a chart widget.  
> 
> My command “create widget myName as chart in group myMain” creates only a small gray box.  
> 
> The LC command “New Widget/Chart” creates a line chart, ready to be modified.  What is the LC command doing that I am not?
> 
> Or:  how do I find the script that LC runs when the “New Widget/Chart” command is chosen?
> 
> David Epstein
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From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Fri Aug  5 12:32:42 2022
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2022 12:32:42 -0400
Subject: megabundle thoughts
Message-ID: <CADCoycP1-8wwU3L4VEw3t39NJGjsnMR-+K7bzM6FW5m94C5sMg@mail.gmail.com>

i have not seen much discussion of the megabundle, especially about the
widgets, etc.
i'm not sure if it's worth the $.
thoughts?

-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."

From paul at researchware.com  Fri Aug  5 12:51:04 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2022 12:51:04 -0400
Subject: megabundle thoughts
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycP1-8wwU3L4VEw3t39NJGjsnMR-+K7bzM6FW5m94C5sMg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycP1-8wwU3L4VEw3t39NJGjsnMR-+K7bzM6FW5m94C5sMg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <310fafe6-4ac1-ef87-f1e0-0c9861928ce9@researchware.com>

On 8/5/2022 12:32 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode wrote:
> i have not seen much discussion of the megabundle, especially about the
> widgets, etc.
> i'm not sure if it's worth the $.
> thoughts?
>

I think the widgets are great additions to Livecode. That said, I have 
not purchased the MegaBundle. My Livecode commercial/business/whatever 
license is paid out to something like 2023 or 2024 due to past fund 
raising where the mothership offered license extensions as part of the 
packages in those efforts. I am licensed for all platforms, with the 
professional extensions, so I don't need any more platforms and I really 
don't need my license extended or any store credits. If there had been a 
bundle offering that was JUST the extra widgets and stuff without an LC 
license stuff bundled in, I would have bought one.

I don't like to get too far ahead of LC licensing. After all I could get 
hit by the proverbial bus tomorrow and having 2 years or prepaid LC 
licensing would go to waste (for me at least).

So, I think it is worth the $ if you need additional platforms and/or 
your license extended (if it is about to expire in, say, another 15 
months or less). It may not be worth the $ if you are all set for the 
next couple of years on LC licensing itself.


From alex at tweedly.net  Fri Aug  5 13:34:53 2022
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2022 18:34:53 +0100
Subject: megabundle thoughts
In-Reply-To: <310fafe6-4ac1-ef87-f1e0-0c9861928ce9@researchware.com>
References: <CADCoycP1-8wwU3L4VEw3t39NJGjsnMR-+K7bzM6FW5m94C5sMg@mail.gmail.com>
 <310fafe6-4ac1-ef87-f1e0-0c9861928ce9@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <85ca8d9e-3e9d-797f-8673-6fe89eb264b9@tweedly.net>

I kind of agree with Paul (though I ame to the opposite conclusion).

Once I discounted the items I'd already paid for (conferences, courses, 
books, etc.) and the multi-year future licensing already paid, the value 
of the megabundle shrank from "amazing" to "pretty good".

I decided to go ahead anyway (so I now have a $300 or $399 voucher that 
I may never get to use).


But about the widgets ....

I am very impressed by the PolyList widget; it lets you make 
sophisticated looking lists, including multi-column ones, very easy; I 
always disliked the fact that DataGrid couldn't do multi-column. I do 
think it needs, and will get, improvements (for example, I'd like to see 
a graphic UI to specify dataLayout - the current way seems kind of 
late-80's-ish :-)

Polygrid looks like it could be useful in the right place - haven't used 
it yet.

Responsive layout - seems like a great addition - I look forward to 
trying it out, but haven't got there yet.

Haven't yet investigated the others. I think they could all do with 
better documentation and examples, so I'm really waiting for a tutorial 
or blog from Steven before I dive into each :-)

Oh - and last thought - they could *really* do with a better release / 
version system, but that should resolve itself over time.

Alex.


On 05/08/2022 17:51, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
> On 8/5/2022 12:32 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode wrote:
>> i have not seen much discussion of the megabundle, especially about the
>> widgets, etc.
>> i'm not sure if it's worth the $.
>> thoughts?
>>
>
> I think the widgets are great additions to Livecode. That said, I have 
> not purchased the MegaBundle. My Livecode commercial/business/whatever 
> license is paid out to something like 2023 or 2024 due to past fund 
> raising where the mothership offered license extensions as part of the 
> packages in those efforts. I am licensed for all platforms, with the 
> professional extensions, so I don't need any more platforms and I 
> really don't need my license extended or any store credits. If there 
> had been a bundle offering that was JUST the extra widgets and stuff 
> without an LC license stuff bundled in, I would have bought one.
>
> I don't like to get too far ahead of LC licensing. After all I could 
> get hit by the proverbial bus tomorrow and having 2 years or prepaid 
> LC licensing would go to waste (for me at least).
>
> So, I think it is worth the $ if you need additional platforms and/or 
> your license extended (if it is about to expire in, say, another 15 
> months or less). It may not be worth the $ if you are all set for the 
> next couple of years on LC licensing itself.
>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Aug  5 13:46:55 2022
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2022 12:46:55 -0500
Subject: megabundle thoughts
In-Reply-To: <85ca8d9e-3e9d-797f-8673-6fe89eb264b9@tweedly.net>
References: <CADCoycP1-8wwU3L4VEw3t39NJGjsnMR-+K7bzM6FW5m94C5sMg@mail.gmail.com>
 <310fafe6-4ac1-ef87-f1e0-0c9861928ce9@researchware.com>
 <85ca8d9e-3e9d-797f-8673-6fe89eb264b9@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <1826f1e02b0.27a5.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>

I'm with Paul. I don't need additional licensing but if the widgets go on 
sale separately later then I'm in.

--
Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
On August 5, 2022 12:36:22 PM Alex Tweedly via use-livecode 
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I kind of agree with Paul (though I ame to the opposite conclusion).




From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Fri Aug  5 15:19:10 2022
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2022 21:19:10 +0200
Subject: megabundle thoughts
In-Reply-To: <1826f1e02b0.27a5.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <CADCoycP1-8wwU3L4VEw3t39NJGjsnMR-+K7bzM6FW5m94C5sMg@mail.gmail.com>
 <310fafe6-4ac1-ef87-f1e0-0c9861928ce9@researchware.com>
 <85ca8d9e-3e9d-797f-8673-6fe89eb264b9@tweedly.net>
 <1826f1e02b0.27a5.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <D9F73AF3-7A42-4634-A4CA-6C96125EB35D@m-r-d.de>

I own a Lifetime commercial (Indy) license for all current and future platforms and a current subscription to upgrade my license to the Pro features with Email support.

There are 2 items in the bundle  i was interested in: the Email parser library and also the PolyGrid widget. The other stuff like the ebooks, conference videos and others i already own or i could upgrade much cheaper (Curry's libraries) through the LC shop.

And without the voucher, which has the same value as the Megabundle costs,  i would not have purchased the bundle.

But i have also a subscription for the script compiler, so i decided to purchase the bundle and use the voucher for the next payments for the Script compiler subscription.

So in my case i did not loose money, but got some really usefull widgets and libraries on top. I did not pay much attention for the other widgets and libraries, but must confess that the PolyList (formerl DataView) and also the ResponsiveLayout library are really great enhancements.
 
So in case you have a current subscription in your LC account and you do not plan to cancel that subscription in near future, the MegaBundle is a bargain. You pay your subscription costs in advance and get some really great enhancements for LC.


Matthias



> Am 05.08.2022 um 19:46 schrieb J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> I'm with Paul. I don't need additional licensing but if the widgets go on sale separately later then I'm in.
> 
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> On August 5, 2022 12:36:22 PM Alex Tweedly via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> I kind of agree with Paul (though I ame to the opposite conclusion).
> 
> 
> 
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From andreas.bergendal at gmail.com  Sat Aug  6 07:44:31 2022
From: andreas.bergendal at gmail.com (Andreas Bergendal)
Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2022 13:44:31 +0200
Subject: How to use addEventListener for browser window resizing in web
 deployment?
Message-ID: <18C945D8-A19E-45C7-8E67-26D31B038F1B@gmail.com>

Hi all,

So I’ve been experimenting with web deployment with LC 10 dp 4. Now I would like my stack to be able to react to resizeStack events when the browser window is resized by the user. Or to adapt to e.g. a mobile browser screen size.

For this, if I understand correctly, some javascript needs to be used. I’ve tried to piece together how to do that from these sources:
https://livecode.com/using-the-new-web-features-in-livecode-10-dp-1/

and Ali Lloyd’s cool WordLC app:
https://alilloyd.livecodehosting.com/wordlc/wordlc.html

where he uses window.addEventListener(”resize” […] etc in the html file to catch browser window resizing for the stack to react on. However, as I can’t see his LC script side of it, I fail to figure out the proper adaptation to my needs:

I want my stack to get, from javascript, the impulse that the browser window has changed its width/height and what the new width/height is, in order to trigger a normal resizeStack handler to deal with that.

Ideally, the javascript part of this should be included by LC in the standalone build, and I hope that’s what they plan at least when LC10 stable ships (seems logical), but in the meantime - can someone please help get the code right?

/Andreas

From harrison at all-auctions.com  Sat Aug  6 10:30:25 2022
From: harrison at all-auctions.com (harrison at all-auctions.com)
Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2022 10:30:25 -0400
Subject: How to use addEventListener for browser window resizing in web
 deployment?
In-Reply-To: <18C945D8-A19E-45C7-8E67-26D31B038F1B@gmail.com>
References: <18C945D8-A19E-45C7-8E67-26D31B038F1B@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9D2BC0B9-C30E-4B65-8540-A1B4F611A7A2@all-auctions.com>

Hi Andreas,

I have found the following website to be very helpful with a lot of my javascript projects.

Do you know about these guys?

https://www.w3schools.com/js/default.asp <https://www.w3schools.com/js/default.asp>

I hope that helps you.

Cheers,

Rick

> On Aug 6, 2022, at 7:44 AM, Andreas Bergendal via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> So I’ve been experimenting with web deployment with LC 10 dp 4. Now I would like my stack to be able to react to resizeStack events when the browser window is resized by the user. Or to adapt to e.g. a mobile browser screen size.
> 
> For this, if I understand correctly, some javascript needs to be used. I’ve tried to piece together how to do that from these sources:
> https://livecode.com/using-the-new-web-features-in-livecode-10-dp-1/
> 
> and Ali Lloyd’s cool WordLC app:
> https://alilloyd.livecodehosting.com/wordlc/wordlc.html
> 
> where he uses window.addEventListener(”resize” […] etc in the html file to catch browser window resizing for the stack to react on. However, as I can’t see his LC script side of it, I fail to figure out the proper adaptation to my needs:
> 
> I want my stack to get, from javascript, the impulse that the browser window has changed its width/height and what the new width/height is, in order to trigger a normal resizeStack handler to deal with that.
> 
> Ideally, the javascript part of this should be included by LC in the standalone build, and I hope that’s what they plan at least when LC10 stable ships (seems logical), but in the meantime - can someone please help get the code right?
> 
> /Andreas
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From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Sat Aug  6 12:28:01 2022
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2022 09:28:01 -0700
Subject: How to use addEventListener for browser window resizing in web
 deployment?
In-Reply-To: <9D2BC0B9-C30E-4B65-8540-A1B4F611A7A2@all-auctions.com>
References: <18C945D8-A19E-45C7-8E67-26D31B038F1B@gmail.com>
 <9D2BC0B9-C30E-4B65-8540-A1B4F611A7A2@all-auctions.com>
Message-ID: <d10ba442-ec1b-2b47-6f2b-89ad440e02f3@sonic.net>

On 8/6/22 07:30, harrison--- via use-livecode wrote:

> I have found the following website to be very helpful with a lot of my javascript projects.
> 
> Do you know about these guys?
> 
> https://www.w3schools.com/js/default.asp <https://www.w3schools.com/js/default.asp>

And also the amazing GitHub Copilot:

https://docs.github.com/en/copilot

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com


From andreas.bergendal at gmail.com  Sat Aug  6 13:14:12 2022
From: andreas.bergendal at gmail.com (Andreas Bergendal)
Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2022 19:14:12 +0200
Subject: How to use addEventListener for browser window resizing in web
 deployment?
Message-ID: <22EEE677-D559-4EE6-BD06-2EBA9BC2AFDA@gmail.com>

Thanks guys, those are indeed great resources for many cases. 

What I’m after here however, are specific solutions to the javascript/livecode ’pairing’ of code to manage browser window/stack resizing.
To avoid reinventing the wheel, if possible. I imagine this would be of great interest to a lot of people here, since having your stack react to browser window resizing should be quite crucial in many cases of LC web deployment.

That’s why I’m also confident that the mothership will build this into future releases of LC10. But as an early adopter, I can’t wait… ;-)

From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Sat Aug  6 13:28:33 2022
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2022 10:28:33 -0700
Subject: How to use addEventListener for browser window resizing in web
 deployment?
In-Reply-To: <18C945D8-A19E-45C7-8E67-26D31B038F1B@gmail.com>
References: <18C945D8-A19E-45C7-8E67-26D31B038F1B@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b821f174-2238-799b-92c5-d4caac3db443@sonic.net>

On 8/6/22 04:44, Andreas Bergendal via use-livecode wrote:

> and Ali Lloyds cool WordLC app:
> https://alilloyd.livecodehosting.com/wordlc/wordlc.html

Unfortunately that throws a divide-by-zero error at line 461 in 
computeGridFieldWidth when I try to resize the window.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com


From alex at tweedly.net  Sat Aug  6 13:45:42 2022
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2022 18:45:42 +0100
Subject: How to use addEventListener for browser window resizing in web
 deployment?
In-Reply-To: <22EEE677-D559-4EE6-BD06-2EBA9BC2AFDA@gmail.com>
References: <22EEE677-D559-4EE6-BD06-2EBA9BC2AFDA@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <83d19caf-bf24-37ef-2038-9628e1ed4c60@tweedly.net>

You are correct Andreas - all this basic javascript interaction *really* 
should be in the default built already.

A sample stack for building a web app was discussed in a session in the 
LC Global conference, by Steven Crichton and Michael McReary. It has all 
kinds of javascript magic, and the corresponding LC pairing. AFAIK, that 
stack hasn't been made public, so it wouldn't be up to me to show large 
sections - but I'm sure it's ok to give a couple of snippets .....

In the stack script of the app (includes some stuff with 'spinner - 
probably not generally needed) :

> on openStack
>    if the platform is "web" then
>       do "document.querySelector('#canvas').removeAttribute('width');" 
> as "javascript"
>       do 
> "document.querySelector('#canvas').removeAttribute('height');" as 
> "javascript"
>       do "document.querySelector('#canvas').style.width = '100%';" as 
> "javascript"
>       do 
> "document.querySelector('#emscripten_main').removeAttribute('width');" 
> as "javascript"
>       do 
> "document.querySelector('#emscripten_main').removeAttribute('height');" 
> as "javascript"
>       do "document.querySelector('#emscripten_main').style.width = 
> '100%';" as "javascript"
>       do "var element = 
> document.getElementById('spinner');element.parentNode.removeChild(element);" 
> as "javascript"
>       do "var element = 
> document.getElementById('status');element.parentNode.removeChild(element);" 
> as "javascript"
>       do 
> "document.querySelector('#donestatus').removeAttribute('style');" as 
> "javascript"
>       do "document.querySelector('#by').removeAttribute('style');" as 
> "javascript"
>
>       send "doBrowserResize" to me in 0 millisecs
>    end if
> end openStack
>
> on browserResized pInnerHeight
>    set the height of this stack to pInnerHeight
>    do 
> "document.querySelector('#emscripten_main').removeAttribute('width');" 
> as "javascript"
>    do "document.querySelector('#emscripten_main').style.width = 
> '100%';" as "javascript"
> end browserResized
>
> on doBrowserResize
>    set the cJavascriptHandlers of this stack to "browserResized" & 
> return & "scrollEvent"
>    set the visible of this stack to true
>    do "getInnerHeight();" as "javascript"
>    browserResized the result
> end doBrowserResize
>
> on scrollEvent pHScroll, pVScroll
>    send "scrollEvent" && pHScroll & comma & pVScroll to this card in 0 
> seconds
> end scrollEvent
>
and in the standalone.html :

Hmmm - I don't understand it well enough to clip out the needed parts - 
so I've included the whole thing below  :-(   Again, it includes stuff 
with spinner, and stripe - which probably should be removed in the 
general case. Hopefully, LC will get their act together and provide a 
default build where basic functionality works.

Good luck,

Alex.

<html>
<head>
     <meta charset="utf-8">
     <meta content="text/html; charset=utf-8" http-equiv="Content-Type">
     <meta name="viewport" content="width=device-width, initial-scale=1">

     <title>LiveCode Conference - Meeting Space</title>

     <style>
         body {
             font-family: arial;
             margin: 0;
             padding: none;
             background-color:#fafafa !important;
             border-top: 0px solid #282828;
         }
         .emscripten {
             padding-right: 0;
             margin-left: auto;
             margin-right: auto;
             display: block
         }
         div.emscripten {
             text-align: center
         }
         div.emscripten_border {
             border: 0px solid #000
         }
         canvas.emscripten {
             border: 0 none
         }
         #emscripten_logo {
             display: inline-block;
             margin: 0
         }
         .spinner {
             position: fixed;
             left: 0px;
             top: 0px;
             width: 100%;
             height: 100%;
             z-index: 1000;
             background: 
url('https://michael.on-rev.com/Meeting%20Space/spinner.gif') no-repeat 
center center;
             background-color:#fafafa !important;
             border-top: 0px solid #282828;
         }
         @-webkit-keyframes rotation {
             from {
                 -webkit-transform: rotate(0)
             }
             to {
                 -webkit-transform: rotate(360deg)
             }
         }
         @-moz-keyframes rotation {
             from {
                 -moz-transform: rotate(0)
             }
             to {
                 -moz-transform: rotate(360deg)
             }
         }
         @-o-keyframes rotation {
             from {
                 -o-transform: rotate(0)
             }
             to {
                 -o-transform: rotate(360deg)
             }
         }
         @keyframes rotation {
             from {
                 transform: rotate(0)
             }
             to {
                 transform: rotate(360deg)
             }
         }
         #status {
             position:absolute;
             left: 0px;
             bottom: 50px;
             z-index: 1000;
             vertical-align: bottom;
             font-weight: 700;
             color: #787878
             text-align: center;
             width:100%;
             line-height: 90px;
         }
         #progress {
             height: 20px;
             width: 30px
             color:green;
         }
         #controls {
             display: inline-block;
             float: right;
             vertical-align: top;
             margin-top: 30px;
             margin-right: 20px
         }
         #output {
             width: 100%;
             height: 200px;
             margin: 0 auto;
             margin-top: 10px;
             display: block;
             background-color: #000;
             color: #fff;
             font-family: 'Lucida Console',Monaco,monospace;
             outline: 0
         }
     </style>

     <script src="https://js.stripe.com/v3/" 
crossorigin="anonymous"></script>

     <style>
         #overlay {
             position: fixed;
             width: 100%;
             height: 100%;
             top: 0;
             left: 0;
             right: 0;
             bottom: 0;
             background-color: rgba(0,0,0,0.5);
             z-index: 2;
         }

         #overlay-background {
             border-radius: 5px;
             border: 1px solid #cccccc;
             padding: 20px;
             background-color: #fff;
             margin: 20%;
         }

         #card {
             border-radius: 5px;
             border: 1px solid #cccccc;
             padding: 15px;
             margin-bottom: 10px;
         }

         button {
             border: none;
             padding: 15px 32px;
             text-align: center;
             text-decoration: none;
             display: inline-block;
         }

         #submit {
             background-color: #DA7B8A;
             color: #fff;
         }

         #submit:hover:enabled {
             background-color: #9A6B72;
         }

         #submit:disabled {
             color: #ccc;
         }

         #cancel {
             color: #fff;
         }

         #cancel:hover:enabled {
             background-color: #ccc;
         }
     </style>
</head>

<body>
     <div class="spinner" id="spinner"></div>
     <div class="emscripten" id="status">Loading...</div>
     <div class="emscripten">
          <progress value="0" max="100" id="progress" hidden="1"></progress>
     </div>
     <div id="emscripten_main">
         <canvas class="emscripten" id="canvas" 
oncontextmenu="event.preventDefault()"></canvas>
     </div>
     <textarea id="output" style="display:none;"></textarea>

     <script>
         var statusElement = document.getElementById("status")
           , progressElement = document.getElementById("progress")
           , spinnerElement = document.getElementById("spinner")
           , Module = {
             preRun: [],
             postRun: [],
             print: function() {
                 var e = document.getElementById("output");
                 return e && (e.value = ""),
                 function(t) {
                     arguments.length > 1 && (t = 
Array.prototype.slice.call(arguments).join(" ")),
                     console.log(t),
                     e && (e.value += t + "\n",
                     e.scrollTop = e.scrollHeight)
                 }
             }(),
             printErr: function(e) {
                 arguments.length > 1 && (e = 
Array.prototype.slice.call(arguments).join(" ")),
                 console.error(e)
             },
             canvas: function() {
                 var e = document.getElementById("canvas");
                 return e.addEventListener("webglcontextlost", 
(function(e) {
                     alert("WebGL context lost. You will need to reload 
the page."),
                     e.preventDefault()
                 }
                 ), !1),
                 e
             }(),
             setStatus: function(e) {
                 if (Module.setStatus.last || (Module.setStatus.last = {
                     time: Date.now(),
                     text: ""
                 }),
                 e !== Module.setStatus.text) {
                     var t = e.match(/([^(]+)\((\d+(\.\d+)?)\/(\d+)\)/)
                       , n = Date.now();
                     t && n - Date.now() < 30 || (t ? (e = t[1],
                     progressElement.value = 100 * parseInt(t[2]),
                     progressElement.max = 100 * parseInt(t[4]),
                     progressElement.hidden = !1,
                     spinnerElement.hidden = !1) : 
(progressElement.value = null,
                     progressElement.max = null,
                     progressElement.hidden = !0,
                     e || (onLoaded())),
                     statusElement.innerHTML = e)
                 }
             },
             totalDependencies: 0,
             monitorRunDependencies: function(e) {
                 this.totalDependencies = 
Math.max(this.totalDependencies, e),
                 Module.setStatus(e ? "Preparing... (" + 
(this.totalDependencies - e) + "/" + this.totalDependencies + ")" : 
"Starting App")
             }
         };
         Module.setStatus("Loading..."),
         window.onerror = function(e) {
             Module.setStatus("Exception thrown, see JavaScript console"),
             spinnerElement.style.display = "none",
             Module.setStatus = function(e) {
                 e && Module.printErr("[post-exception status] " + e)
             }
         }

         function onLoaded() {
             return true;
         }
     </script>

     <script>
         function getInnerHeight() {
             return window.innerHeight;
         }

         window.addEventListener("resize", function(data){
             if (document.liveCode) {
                 var myStack = 
document.liveCode.findStackWithName("Meeting Space");
                 if (myStack) {
                     myStack.browserResized(getInnerHeight());
                 }
             }
         });

document.getElementById("canvas").addEventListener("wheel", 
function(event) {
             event.preventDefault();
             if (document.liveCode) {
                 var myStack = 
document.liveCode.findStackWithName("Meeting Space");
                 if (myStack) {
                     myStack.scrollEvent(event.deltaX, event.deltaY);
                 }
             }
         });
     </script>

     <script async src="standalone-10.0.0-dp-3.js"></script>

     <div id="overlay" style="display:none;">
         <div id="overlay-background">
             <div id="card"></div>
             <button id="submit">Submit</button>
             <button id="cancel">Cancel</button>
         </div>
     </div>

     <script>
         const stripe = 
Stripe("pk_test_51J5qZpI8kDUYhBxrrHHUnkjaku4wkg7QHTYMh9Qe2gTLowh48YAFgS2zI5HOGKqmWjLj2BRIgdtUQo2z1VRKivSV00lTFGjzQb");
         const elements = stripe.elements();
         const card = elements.create("card");
         card.mount("#card");

         function displayFetchCardDetails() {
             card.clear();
             document.getElementById("submit").disabled = true;
             document.getElementById("overlay").style.display = "block";
         }

         card.on("change", pEvent => {
             if (pEvent.complete) {
                 document.getElementById("submit").disabled = false;
             } else if (pEvent.error != undefined) {
                 document.getElementById("submit").disabled = true;
             }
         });

document.getElementById("submit").addEventListener("click", pEvent => {
             document.getElementById("overlay").style.display = "none";
             stripe.createToken(card).then((pResult) => {
                 if (pResult.error != undefined) {
                     document
                         .liveCode
                         .findStackWithName("Meeting Space")
.stripeFetchCardDetailsOnError(pResult.error.message);
                 } else {
                     document
                         .liveCode
                         .findStackWithName("Meeting Space")
.stripeFetchCardDetailsOnSuccess(pResult.token.id);
                 }
             });
         });

document.getElementById("cancel").addEventListener("click", pEvent => {
             document.getElementById("overlay").style.display = "none";
             document
                 .liveCode
                 .findStackWithName("Meeting Space")
                 .stripeFetchCardDetailsOnCancel();
         });
     </script>
</body>

</html>

On 06/08/2022 18:14, Andreas Bergendal via use-livecode wrote:
> Thanks guys, those are indeed great resources for many cases.
>
> What Im after here however, are specific solutions to the javascript/livecode pairing of code to manage browser window/stack resizing.
> To avoid reinventing the wheel, if possible. I imagine this would be of great interest to a lot of people here, since having your stack react to browser window resizing should be quite crucial in many cases of LC web deployment.
>
> Thats why Im also confident that the mothership will build this into future releases of LC10. But as an early adopter, I cant wait ;-)
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From andreas.bergendal at gmail.com  Sat Aug  6 15:46:21 2022
From: andreas.bergendal at gmail.com (Andreas Bergendal)
Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2022 21:46:21 +0200
Subject: How to use addEventListener for browser window resizing in web
 deployment?
Message-ID: <8A4FE0CA-7B70-47EE-AEE8-9D9DB3D92EA1@gmail.com>

Wow, thanks Alex! That’s brilliant and exactly what I need!
I must have missed (or forgotten) that session at the conference - I’ll try to find it among the recordings to see if it helps explaining the various bits a little. In any case I’ll experiment with the code and see what I can get to work.

Cheers,
Andreas

From selander at tkf.att.ne.jp  Sun Aug  7 03:29:27 2022
From: selander at tkf.att.ne.jp (Tim Selander)
Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2022 16:29:27 +0900
Subject: Auto populate an HTML form with LC server
Message-ID: <b3da75e6-bafe-e0af-8ed5-e3bfe5a39542@tkf.att.ne.jp>

Many web forms in Japan automatically fill in prefecture, town, 
ward and block when you just put in the zip code. I would like to 
do that on my web site, and know the api I would use.

I assume these sites are using javascript, but can LC server pick 
up user input before the submit button is clicked?

Any help appreciated.

Tim Selander
Tokyo, Japan


From index at kenjikojima.com  Sun Aug  7 07:17:35 2022
From: index at kenjikojima.com (Kenji Kojima)
Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2022 07:17:35 -0400
Subject: Auto populate an HTML form with LC server
In-Reply-To: <b3da75e6-bafe-e0af-8ed5-e3bfe5a39542@tkf.att.ne.jp>
References: <b3da75e6-bafe-e0af-8ed5-e3bfe5a39542@tkf.att.ne.jp>
Message-ID: <7B38B2F6-1957-4C72-89EF-3F87FD14FC88@kenjikojima.com>

Tim,

See this
https://www.webdesign-fan.com/ajaxzip3 <https://www.webdesign-fan.com/ajaxzip3> 
and 
http://www.webdesign-fan-guide.com/ajaxzip3/ <http://www.webdesign-fan-guide.com/ajaxzip3/> 

I believe you can use these on the LC server.

Best,
--
Kenji Kojima / 小島健治
http://www.kenjikojima.com/



> On Aug 7, 2022, at 3:29 AM, Tim Selander via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Many web forms in Japan automatically fill in prefecture, town, ward and block when you just put in the zip code. I would like to do that on my web site, and know the api I would use.
> 
> I assume these sites are using javascript, but can LC server pick up user input before the submit button is clicked?
> 
> Any help appreciated.
> 
> Tim Selander
> Tokyo, Japan
> 
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From selander at tkf.att.ne.jp  Sun Aug  7 08:57:45 2022
From: selander at tkf.att.ne.jp (Tim Selander)
Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2022 21:57:45 +0900
Subject: Auto populate an HTML form with LC server
In-Reply-To: <7B38B2F6-1957-4C72-89EF-3F87FD14FC88@kenjikojima.com>
References: <b3da75e6-bafe-e0af-8ed5-e3bfe5a39542@tkf.att.ne.jp>
 <7B38B2F6-1957-4C72-89EF-3F87FD14FC88@kenjikojima.com>
Message-ID: <6bbf466f-7f52-7245-b09b-6c07389cb523@tkf.att.ne.jp>

一発でした！
小島様、ありがとうごあいました。助かりました！
お久しぶりに「小島健治」というお名前をメールリストに見て、すごく嬉しくなりました。過去、何回も手伝ってくださいましたね。

ごめんんさい、芸術の世界とまったく縁のない人間ですが、HPを見ると、相変わらず重要なプロジェクトを取り上げていますね。

では、これからもよろしくお願いいたします。

セランダー・ティム

Thank you so much!!

Tim



On 2022.08.07 20:17, Kenji Kojima wrote:
> Tim,
> 
> See this
> https://www.webdesign-fan.com/ajaxzip3
> and
> http://www.webdesign-fan-guide.com/ajaxzip3/
> 
> I believe you can use these on the LC server.
> 
> Best,
> --
> Kenji Kojima / 小島健治
> http://www.kenjikojima.com/
> 
> 
> 
>> On Aug 7, 2022, at 3:29 AM, Tim Selander via use-livecode 
>> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com 
>> <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Many web forms in Japan automatically fill in prefecture, town, 
>> ward and block when you just put in the zip code. I would like 
>> to do that on my web site, and know the api I would use.
>>
>> I assume these sites are using javascript, but can LC server 
>> pick up user input before the submit button is clicked?
>>
>> Any help appreciated.
>>
>> Tim Selander
>> Tokyo, Japan
>>
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>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com 
>> <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
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>> subscription preferences:
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From tom at makeshyft.com  Sun Aug  7 18:15:00 2022
From: tom at makeshyft.com (Tom Glod)
Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2022 18:15:00 -0400
Subject: megabundle thoughts
In-Reply-To: <D9F73AF3-7A42-4634-A4CA-6C96125EB35D@m-r-d.de>
References: <CADCoycP1-8wwU3L4VEw3t39NJGjsnMR-+K7bzM6FW5m94C5sMg@mail.gmail.com>
 <310fafe6-4ac1-ef87-f1e0-0c9861928ce9@researchware.com>
 <85ca8d9e-3e9d-797f-8673-6fe89eb264b9@tweedly.net>
 <1826f1e02b0.27a5.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <D9F73AF3-7A42-4634-A4CA-6C96125EB35D@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <CAPzQJLJ0eb+Smadtt+63B2OVONGk92F87t4WU4nzLN0S2Vu1Lg@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings Everyone!

I might be pretty biased (cuz the bundle contains my AppStarterStack),
And I understand  that people have different goals with their software
development.
But all i know is there is ALOT of value in the bundle.
So much so, I don't even necessarily agree with the price points, for the
amount of value thats in it.
(When you take just the vouchers into consideration)

Just my 5 cents.



On Fri, Aug 5, 2022 at 3:20 PM matthias rebbe via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I own a Lifetime commercial (Indy) license for all current and future
> platforms and a current subscription to upgrade my license to the Pro
> features with Email support.
>
> There are 2 items in the bundle  i was interested in: the Email parser
> library and also the PolyGrid widget. The other stuff like the ebooks,
> conference videos and others i already own or i could upgrade much cheaper
> (Curry's libraries) through the LC shop.
>
> And without the voucher, which has the same value as the Megabundle
> costs,  i would not have purchased the bundle.
>
> But i have also a subscription for the script compiler, so i decided to
> purchase the bundle and use the voucher for the next payments for the
> Script compiler subscription.
>
> So in my case i did not loose money, but got some really usefull widgets
> and libraries on top. I did not pay much attention for the other widgets
> and libraries, but must confess that the PolyList (formerl DataView) and
> also the ResponsiveLayout library are really great enhancements.
>
> So in case you have a current subscription in your LC account and you do
> not plan to cancel that subscription in near future, the MegaBundle is a
> bargain. You pay your subscription costs in advance and get some really
> great enhancements for LC.
>
>
> Matthias
>
>
>
> > Am 05.08.2022 um 19:46 schrieb J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> >
> > I'm with Paul. I don't need additional licensing but if the widgets go
> on sale separately later then I'm in.
> >
> > --
> > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> > On August 5, 2022 12:36:22 PM Alex Tweedly via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I kind of agree with Paul (though I ame to the opposite conclusion).
> >
> >
> >
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From hakan at exformedia.se  Mon Aug  8 00:32:05 2022
From: hakan at exformedia.se (Hakan@exformedia.se)
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2022 06:32:05 +0200
Subject: Auto populate an HTML form with LC server
In-Reply-To: <6bbf466f-7f52-7245-b09b-6c07389cb523@tkf.att.ne.jp>
References: <6bbf466f-7f52-7245-b09b-6c07389cb523@tkf.att.ne.jp>
Message-ID: <198891BF-DC51-4969-8D6E-569E74EFDAF7@exformedia.se>

I don’t understand Japanese but to clarify the process. The server side can’t do anything unless you call it in some way. So every time you see something happening in the browser before you submit it is JavaScript running. The libraries mentioned are Ajax libraries (as far as I understand) and should be injected to the web page. 
With JavaScript you can listen to events in a similar way as in Livecode. And when your event of choice happens your JavaScript calls a server API that can then return an answer (which often is some json) that the JavaScript interprets and injects into the fields. 
So, Livecode server (or any other server) can’t pick up anything before you submit, but with JavaScript you can make the call!


> 7 aug. 2022 kl. 14:59 skrev Tim Selander via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> 一発でした！
> 小島様、ありがとうごあいました。助かりました！
> お久しぶりに「小島健治」というお名前をメールリストに見て、すごく嬉しくなりました。過去、何回も手伝ってくださいましたね。
> 
> ごめんんさい、芸術の世界とまったく縁のない人間ですが、HPを見ると、相変わらず重要なプロジェクトを取り上げていますね。
> 
> では、これからもよろしくお願いいたします。
> 
> セランダー・ティム
> 
> Thank you so much!!
> 
> Tim
> 
> 
> 
>> On 2022.08.07 20:17, Kenji Kojima wrote:
>> Tim,
>> See this
>> https://www.webdesign-fan.com/ajaxzip3
>> and
>> http://www.webdesign-fan-guide.com/ajaxzip3/
>> I believe you can use these on the LC server.
>> Best,
>> --
>> Kenji Kojima / 小島健治
>> http://www.kenjikojima.com/
>>>> On Aug 7, 2022, at 3:29 AM, Tim Selander via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Many web forms in Japan automatically fill in prefecture, town, ward and block when you just put in the zip code. I would like to do that on my web site, and know the api I would use.
>>> 
>>> I assume these sites are using javascript, but can LC server pick up user input before the submit button is clicked?
>>> 
>>> Any help appreciated.
>>> 
>>> Tim Selander
>>> Tokyo, Japan
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> 
> 
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From paul at researchware.com  Mon Aug  8 12:26:30 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2022 12:26:30 -0400
Subject: Datagrid internal error
Message-ID: <2981919d-4756-8d31-0a95-d28fdca6b445@researchware.com>

A customer encountered the following execution error (below) in our app 
(built on Livecode 9.6.7, MacOS 12.5). This error is occurring in the 
scrips for the Datagrid itself, rather than our code. At the end, it is 
one of our handler, "populateMe", where line 139 is where the error starts.
Line 139 set the dgProp["columns"] of grp "rwMatrixObj_DataGrid" to 
tColumnNames

tColumnNames is a variable containing a list of text lines that are 
customer entered column names, so they could be ANYTHING (up to 255 
chars, no control characters, including DEL (127)) that a user could 
type or paste into a field, including words in any language using Unicode.

As the executionContexts data does not contain the actual values of the 
variable tColumns when the error occurs, does ANYONE have any idea what 
tColumns might contain that could produce the error(s) show below?

Technical information:
Property: value is not a number: (Line 11, column 1)
Object: can't set object property: (Line 11, column 5)
set: can't set property: (Line 11, column 1)
Handler: error in statement: LayoutControl (Line 11, column 1)
Object ID: stack "RevDataGridLibraryBehaviorsDefaultHeaderButtonBehavior"
-
repeat: error in statement: (Line 5066, column 1)
Handler: error in statement: _table.ResizeHeaders (Line 5052, column 1)
Object ID: stack "RevDataGridLibraryBehaviorsDataGridButtonBehavior"
-
Handler: error in statement: _table.ResizeColumns (Line 4967, column 1)
Object ID: stack "RevDataGridLibraryBehaviorsDataGridButtonBehavior"
-
Handler: error in statement: _table.CreateColumns (Line 4737, column 1)
Object ID: stack "RevDataGridLibraryBehaviorsDataGridButtonBehavior"
-
Handler: error in statement: _table.RegenerateColumns (Line 4538, column 1)
Object ID: stack "RevDataGridLibraryBehaviorsDataGridButtonBehavior"
-
switch: error in statement: (Line 6150, column 1)
Handler: error in statement: dgProps (Line 5553, column 1)
Object ID: stack "RevDataGridLibraryBehaviorsDataGridButtonBehavior"
-
set: can't set property: (Line 5529, column 1)
Handler: error in statement: dgProp (Line 5529, column 1)
Object ID: stack "RevDataGridLibraryBehaviorsDataGridButtonBehavior"
-
set: can't set property: (Line 139, column 1)
if-then: error in statement: (Line 139, column 1)
Handler: error in statement: populateMe (Line 138, column 1)
Object: group "Table" of card "FrequencyReport" of stack "FreqReport.rwtl"
Object ID: group id 1162 of card id 1002 of stack 
"/Applications/HyperRESEARCH 4.5.4/Components/Tools/FreqReport.rwtl"


From paul at researchware.com  Mon Aug  8 12:39:02 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2022 12:39:02 -0400
Subject: Datagrid internal error
In-Reply-To: <2981919d-4756-8d31-0a95-d28fdca6b445@researchware.com>
References: <2981919d-4756-8d31-0a95-d28fdca6b445@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <60e95862-61d7-4a07-2423-b77b10afc68f@researchware.com>

On 8/8/2022 12:26 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
> A customer encountered the following execution error (below) in our 
> app (built on Livecode 9.6.7, MacOS 12.5). This error is occurring in 
> the scrips for the Datagrid itself, rather than our code. At the end, 
> it is one of our handler, "populateMe", where line 139 is where the 
> error starts.
> Line 139 set the dgProp["columns"] of grp "rwMatrixObj_DataGrid" to 
> tColumnNames
>

For example, some information from the customer suggest they are working 
with a VERY large dataset, so the length of the list in TColumnNames 
could be quit long - perhaps hundreds of lines. Is there a practical 
limit on the number of columns a Datagrid can be set to?



From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net  Mon Aug  8 13:38:50 2022
From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola)
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2022 13:38:50 -0400
Subject: Datagrid internal error
In-Reply-To: <60e95862-61d7-4a07-2423-b77b10afc68f@researchware.com>
References: <2981919d-4756-8d31-0a95-d28fdca6b445@researchware.com>
 <60e95862-61d7-4a07-2423-b77b10afc68f@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <005401d8ab4d$bbd48c10$337da430$@net>

Paul,

The max height of a field is 32,767 pixels. This can be hard to quantify
especially on mobile with the cornucopia of screen resolutions. I would
imagine that this limit also applies to groups as well. I got bit on this
when the app worked in the IDE but failed on some devices.

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdimola at evergreeninfo.net


-----Original Message-----
From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf
Of Paul Dupuis via use-livecode
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2022 12:39 PM
To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
Cc: Paul Dupuis
Subject: Re: Datagrid internal error

On 8/8/2022 12:26 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
> A customer encountered the following execution error (below) in our 
> app (built on Livecode 9.6.7, MacOS 12.5). This error is occurring in 
> the scrips for the Datagrid itself, rather than our code. At the end, 
> it is one of our handler, "populateMe", where line 139 is where the 
> error starts.
> Line 139 set the dgProp["columns"] of grp "rwMatrixObj_DataGrid" to 
> tColumnNames
>

For example, some information from the customer suggest they are working
with a VERY large dataset, so the length of the list in TColumnNames could
be quit long - perhaps hundreds of lines. Is there a practical limit on the
number of columns a Datagrid can be set to?


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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Aug  8 17:59:13 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2022 21:59:13 +0000
Subject: Code Signing Certificates: Where to put?
Message-ID: <AD1565F4-4500-421A-9E85-A9FC3576452D@iotecdigital.com>

I went through the process of creating the 2 certs needed to sign, notarize and staple an app bundle. I imported the certs into my Keychain in System (login didn't seem like the place to put it) and now MrSign'n'Notarize Helper V3 is generating an error which seems to indicate it cannot find the certificate. 
Codesigning app...

executing: codesign --deep --force --verify --verbose --sign "Robert Sneidar (9PV38Bl27Y)" --options runtime --entitlements /private/var/folders/dy/zctnynys6mg69880fpzrmsy00000gr/T/TemporaryItems/entitlements.plist "/Users/bobsneidar/Documents/Livecode Projects/Builds/slySQL Agent MAC/slySQL Agent.app"
/Users/bobsneidar/Documents/Livecode Projects/Builds/slySQL Agent MAC/slySQL Agent.app: replacing existing signature
Warning: unable to build chain to self-signed root for signer "Developer ID Application: <I deleted this so no one can see it>"
/Users/bobsneidar/Documents/Livecode Projects/Builds/slySQL Agent MAC/slySQL Agent.app: errSecInternalComponent
In subcomponent: /Users/bobsneidar/Documents/Livecode Projects/Builds/slySQL Agent MAC/slySQL Agent.app/Contents/MacOS/revsecurity.dylib
process aborted

Is this an issue caused by where I put the certificates? 

Bob S



From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Aug  8 19:53:04 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2022 23:53:04 +0000
Subject: Datagrid internal error
In-Reply-To: <2981919d-4756-8d31-0a95-d28fdca6b445@researchware.com>
References: <2981919d-4756-8d31-0a95-d28fdca6b445@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <0B74C5FE-37CF-4858-A029-E7CE5D65A8AE@iotecdigital.com>

I believe dgProp ["columns"] is a comma delimited list. 

Bob S


> On Aug 8, 2022, at 09:26 , Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> A customer encountered the following execution error (below) in our app (built on Livecode 9.6.7, MacOS 12.5). This error is occurring in the scrips for the Datagrid itself, rather than our code. At the end, it is one of our handler, "populateMe", where line 139 is where the error starts.
> Line 139 set the dgProp["columns"] of grp "rwMatrixObj_DataGrid" to tColumnNames



From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Aug  8 19:56:32 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2022 23:56:32 +0000
Subject: Datagrid internal error
In-Reply-To: <0B74C5FE-37CF-4858-A029-E7CE5D65A8AE@iotecdigital.com>
References: <2981919d-4756-8d31-0a95-d28fdca6b445@researchware.com>
 <0B74C5FE-37CF-4858-A029-E7CE5D65A8AE@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <F26FA733-31F6-4E70-BE67-0852E7833155@iotecdigital.com>

Nope I take that back it's lines. I remember now wondering why that was. 

Bob S


> On Aug 8, 2022, at 16:53 , Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com> wrote:
> 
> I believe dgProp ["columns"] is a comma delimited list. 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Aug 8, 2022, at 09:26 , Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> A customer encountered the following execution error (below) in our app (built on Livecode 9.6.7, MacOS 12.5). This error is occurring in the scrips for the Datagrid itself, rather than our code. At the end, it is one of our handler, "populateMe", where line 139 is where the error starts.
>> Line 139 set the dgProp["columns"] of grp "rwMatrixObj_DataGrid" to tColumnNames
> 



From paulmcclernan at gmail.com  Mon Aug  8 20:50:31 2022
From: paulmcclernan at gmail.com (Paul McClernan)
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2022 20:50:31 -0400
Subject: Livecode Builder developer wanted
In-Reply-To: <F685CA52-FBB0-4227-94B7-84573685C160@all-auctions.com>
References: <cdf489f1-eb80-798f-8104-ff923fa71130@researchware.com>
 <f1a0ec3e-1f6e-b01b-6182-a837d27328d8@researchware.com>
 <CADCoycOR-Z2vDQW4YVDT7Ddcmd7MXb2pGg=ZPs65pGJszhe0uw@mail.gmail.com>
 <fca710db-db22-1ef7-5b65-cbe5e9f93c15@researchware.com>
 <1C5DF67E-1332-42DB-BF43-1B0F709EF140@all-auctions.com>
 <7611291e-0782-ff86-d8e9-bff5cbe329ad@researchware.com>
 <F685CA52-FBB0-4227-94B7-84573685C160@all-auctions.com>
Message-ID: <CA+mv_tV2UoX_8_ceE0uonwwGTj6eUf3_=gJQGhLuEUGuaRufhw@mail.gmail.com>

I would say go ahead and jump in yourself, I’d be willing to help if I can
(I’m rather busy myself), if you post questions in the LCB forum section,
if you get stuck. I’m sure Trevor has left a nice starting base (I’ve
looked at all of his LCB work). You could likely get the lib binary for
macOS using “HomeBrew”.

On Thu, Jul 28, 2022 at 1:44 PM harrison--- via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi Paul,
>
> You should have led with that information.
>
> Keys here:  Not time sensitive. Pay competitive rates:  What is your
> rate?  Be upfront with that if you can.
>
> Thanks for clearing things up a bit.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Rick
>
>
> > On Jul 28, 2022, at 12:23 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > I've hired and managed independent software developers for various
> businesses for nearly 40 years. I am well aware of the market.
> >
> > We pay competitive contract rates. My estimate of time is probably about
> right for someone who has set up at least 1 or 2 cross-platform LCB DLL
> wrappers based on decades of estimating IT projects, but it was more meant
> to suggest the work is something in the scope of many hours to days vs.
> weeks or months.
> >
> > As for job size, if you are a contract developer who has a queue of
> large jobs providing regular income, good for you. My experience is that
> many contract developers value non-time sensitive small jobs they can fit
> in and around larger projects to fill in the inevitable gaps between larger
> projects that can come up.
> >
> > If no one is available or interested, as I said, it is not time
> sensitive, so we can either wait or tackle it ourselves as time permits.
> >
> > Paul Dupuis
> > Researchware
>
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From paul at researchware.com  Tue Aug  9 08:09:00 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2022 08:09:00 -0400
Subject: Datagrid internal error
In-Reply-To: <F26FA733-31F6-4E70-BE67-0852E7833155@iotecdigital.com>
References: <2981919d-4756-8d31-0a95-d28fdca6b445@researchware.com>
 <0B74C5FE-37CF-4858-A029-E7CE5D65A8AE@iotecdigital.com>
 <F26FA733-31F6-4E70-BE67-0852E7833155@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <11c91d2d-6351-1459-7087-cd0d07061343@researchware.com>

comma delimited or cr delimited, without looking it up, I am sure it is 
in the right format since it work 99.99% of the time.

The names that would be in the column list all go through a name check 
function. That function prevents names that are all spaces, longer than 
255 characters, or are a handful of "reserved words" and checks that 
each name does not contain the following characters

     if (it < 32)  then return false -- all control characters (0x0000 
to 0x0031)
     if (it = 34)  then return false -- "                quote (0x0034) 
-- LC string encapsulator
     if (it = 40)  then return false -- (     left parenthesis (0x0040) 
-- used in filter and theory criteria
     if (it = 41)  then return false -- )    right parenthesis (0x0041) 
-- used in filter and theory criteria
     if (it = 44)  then return false -- ,                comma (0x0044) 
-- LC item delimiter
     if (it = 60)  then return false -- <       less than sign (0x0060) 
-- htmlText tag delimiter
     if (it = 62)  then return false -- >    greater than sign (0x0062) 
-- htmlText tag delimiter
     if (it = 91)  then return false -- [  left square bracket (0x0091) 
-- LC merge delimiter
     if (it = 92)  then return false -- \            backslash (0x0092) 
-- regex string escape character
     if (it = 93)  then return false -- ] right square bracket (0x0093) 
-- LC merge delimiter
     if (it = 124) then return false -- |         vertical bar (0x0124) 
-- used in code
     if (it = 127) then return false -- DEL             delete (0x0127)

So, comma's are excluded, as are [ and ], and control characters, etc.. 
However all Unicode characters, codepoints 128 and up are allowed. 
Testing shows you can have a Datagrid where you can set the columns to 
empty, so that is not the cause of the error.

I can only image that the customer entered a name with some characters 
that Datagrid has a problem with as a column name OR that the shear 
number of columns (as the customer is working with a very large dataset) 
exceeds some practical Datagrid limit, but what would that be?

I don't really want to have to carve out time to build test stacks to 
try names with every possible characters or ever increasing numbers of 
column names until the error occurs or those possibilities are ruled 
out. I was hoping there might be someone on the list who was familiar 
enough with the internals of the Datagrid to have some idea what might 
have caused the error.

Unfortunately, the customer's data is confidential, so they do not want 
to provide the data to us to use for testing. And the customer is either 
not technically savvy or does not have time (they have said they are 
under a deadline) to help much in troubleshooting. They can get the 
analysis this Datagrid provides by exporting some data to Excel and 
doing the analysis in Excel, so the error is not a show-stopper for them 
as well. Definitely not as convenient as the report in our app, but a 
viable work-around.

See my original post for the executionContexts and the specific error.


On 8/8/2022 7:56 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
> Nope I take that back it's lines. I remember now wondering why that was.
>
> Bob S
>
>
>> On Aug 8, 2022, at 16:53 , Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com> wrote:
>>
>> I believe dgProp ["columns"] is a comma delimited list.
>>
>> Bob S
>>
>>
>>> On Aug 8, 2022, at 09:26 , Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> A customer encountered the following execution error (below) in our app (built on Livecode 9.6.7, MacOS 12.5). This error is occurring in the scrips for the Datagrid itself, rather than our code. At the end, it is one of our handler, "populateMe", where line 139 is where the error starts.
>>> Line 139 set the dgProp["columns"] of grp "rwMatrixObj_DataGrid" to tColumnNames
>
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From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Tue Aug  9 10:44:22 2022
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2022 16:44:22 +0200
Subject: Code Signing Certificates: Where to put?
In-Reply-To: <AD1565F4-4500-421A-9E85-A9FC3576452D@iotecdigital.com>
References: <AD1565F4-4500-421A-9E85-A9FC3576452D@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <9C1D9CBF-1D59-4DB6-BF82-8A299B7B8354@m-r-d.de>

My certificates are stored under Login in my Keychain.  I created them using Xcode (Preferences/Account) and Xcode installed them directly in Login.

So give it a try and move (if this is possible) the certs to Login or just delete the 2 and reinstall them.

If you still run into a problem then could you try to create a simple standalone without any external/extension and see if it is possible to sign and notarize that? 

Matthias


> Am 08.08.2022 um 23:59 schrieb Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> I went through the process of creating the 2 certs needed to sign, notarize and staple an app bundle. I imported the certs into my Keychain in System (login didn't seem like the place to put it) and now MrSign'n'Notarize Helper V3 is generating an error which seems to indicate it cannot find the certificate. 
> Codesigning app...
> 
> executing: codesign --deep --force --verify --verbose --sign "Robert Sneidar (9PV38Bl27Y)" --options runtime --entitlements /private/var/folders/dy/zctnynys6mg69880fpzrmsy00000gr/T/TemporaryItems/entitlements.plist "/Users/bobsneidar/Documents/Livecode Projects/Builds/slySQL Agent MAC/slySQL Agent.app"
> /Users/bobsneidar/Documents/Livecode Projects/Builds/slySQL Agent MAC/slySQL Agent.app: replacing existing signature
> Warning: unable to build chain to self-signed root for signer "Developer ID Application: <I deleted this so no one can see it>"
> /Users/bobsneidar/Documents/Livecode Projects/Builds/slySQL Agent MAC/slySQL Agent.app: errSecInternalComponent
> In subcomponent: /Users/bobsneidar/Documents/Livecode Projects/Builds/slySQL Agent MAC/slySQL Agent.app/Contents/MacOS/revsecurity.dylib
> process aborted
> 
> Is this an issue caused by where I put the certificates? 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Aug  9 11:09:55 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2022 15:09:55 +0000
Subject: Datagrid internal error
In-Reply-To: <11c91d2d-6351-1459-7087-cd0d07061343@researchware.com>
References: <2981919d-4756-8d31-0a95-d28fdca6b445@researchware.com>
 <0B74C5FE-37CF-4858-A029-E7CE5D65A8AE@iotecdigital.com>
 <F26FA733-31F6-4E70-BE67-0852E7833155@iotecdigital.com>
 <11c91d2d-6351-1459-7087-cd0d07061343@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <BC0C36F8-5564-4E24-9B67-564DA5CC4A40@iotecdigital.com>

I believe there is a property you set, after which you programmatically control the population of the datagrid. I am in a hurry so I can't look it up right now, but it is in the datagrid API in livecode lessons. 

Bob S


> On Aug 9, 2022, at 05:09 , Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I can only image that the customer entered a name with some characters that Datagrid has a problem with as a column name OR that the shear number of columns (as the customer is working with a very large dataset) exceeds some practical Datagrid limit, but what would that be?



From paul at researchware.com  Tue Aug  9 13:15:31 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2022 13:15:31 -0400
Subject: Summer Bundle table/grid widgets....
Message-ID: <f5bc9772-5f16-cfe1-1291-5d7460ea8abc@researchware.com>

I am in need of a control to display a table of numbers. The top ROW are 
column labels (text, sometimes up to 255 characters). The left COLUMN is 
row labels (text, sometime up to 255 characters). I'd like a widget that:
1) Can display this with the top row (or headers) fixed so they remain 
visible when the data is scrolled
2) Can display this with the left column fixed to they remain visible 
when the data is scrolled
3) Provides built in abilities to sort the numbers in all the data of 
the grid/table, by any column, ascending or descending as the user desires.

I have already built this with a grouped field (for the fixed left 
column) and Datagrid (for the remained of the table).

Do any of the new widgets in the Summer Bundle do this inherently 
without me having to make a custom object (as I had to do with the field 
+ Datagrid)?



From dan at clearvisiontech.com  Tue Aug  9 13:33:42 2022
From: dan at clearvisiontech.com (Dan Friedman)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2022 17:33:42 +0000
Subject: Android API Level 31
Message-ID: <727220B7-7BC5-42C8-BA19-338FFA55F94A@clearvisiontech.com>

I am trying to upload an AAB to Google Play Condole and I am getting this error:

"Your app currently targets API level 30 and must target at least API level 31 to ensure it is built on the latest APIs optimized for security and performance. Change your app's target API level to at least 31."

I have enabled the "Android 12.0 (S)" SDK (API Level 31) in Android Studio and restarted LC and rebuilt the app.  Still getting the error from Google Play.   Anyone have any ideas as to the LC/Studio settings needed to get Google to accept the app?

Thank you in advance!
Dan


From merakosp at gmail.com  Tue Aug  9 14:45:14 2022
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis m)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2022 21:45:14 +0300
Subject: Android API Level 31
In-Reply-To: <727220B7-7BC5-42C8-BA19-338FFA55F94A@clearvisiontech.com>
References: <727220B7-7BC5-42C8-BA19-338FFA55F94A@clearvisiontech.com>
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq8N+U50+7H9D90dnmCjsRCqTynN5azGUzTwsJ7X4QYbug@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Dan,

This is a new requirement of the Google Play Store, i.e. new apps should
target Android API 31. We are preparing a build of LC 9.6.9 RC-1 that among
other bugfixes includes support for API31 too, it is currently in testing
and should be good for release very soon. If you are urgently affected
please contact support and we can offer an interim (test) build to try.

Kind regards,
Panos
--

On Tue, 9 Aug 2022 at 20:34, Dan Friedman via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I am trying to upload an AAB to Google Play Condole and I am getting this
> error:
>
> "Your app currently targets API level 30 and must target at least API
> level 31 to ensure it is built on the latest APIs optimized for security
> and performance. Change your app's target API level to at least 31."
>
> I have enabled the "Android 12.0 (S)" SDK (API Level 31) in Android Studio
> and restarted LC and rebuilt the app.  Still getting the error from Google
> Play.   Anyone have any ideas as to the LC/Studio settings needed to get
> Google to accept the app?
>
> Thank you in advance!
> Dan
>
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From dan at clearvisiontech.com  Tue Aug  9 15:12:14 2022
From: dan at clearvisiontech.com (Dan Friedman)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2022 19:12:14 +0000
Subject: Android API Level 31
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq8N+U50+7H9D90dnmCjsRCqTynN5azGUzTwsJ7X4QYbug@mail.gmail.com>
References: <727220B7-7BC5-42C8-BA19-338FFA55F94A@clearvisiontech.com>
 <CA+JfEq8N+U50+7H9D90dnmCjsRCqTynN5azGUzTwsJ7X4QYbug@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <77239A29-9319-4F46-BE0E-F0A53094F42B@clearvisiontech.com>

Panos,

THANK YOU for the quick reply and the information!   If we're talking days or early next week, I can probably wait.  Anything later than that and I'll need something to give my client.

Thank you!
Dan 


On 8/9/22, 11:47 AM, "use-livecode on behalf of panagiotis m via use-livecode" <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com on behalf of use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

    Hello Dan,

    This is a new requirement of the Google Play Store, i.e. new apps should
    target Android API 31. We are preparing a build of LC 9.6.9 RC-1 that among
    other bugfixes includes support for API31 too, it is currently in testing
    and should be good for release very soon. If you are urgently affected
    please contact support and we can offer an interim (test) build to try.

    Kind regards,
    Panos
    --

    On Tue, 9 Aug 2022 at 20:34, Dan Friedman via use-livecode <
    use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

    > I am trying to upload an AAB to Google Play Condole and I am getting this
    > error:
    >
    > "Your app currently targets API level 30 and must target at least API
    > level 31 to ensure it is built on the latest APIs optimized for security
    > and performance. Change your app's target API level to at least 31."
    >
    > I have enabled the "Android 12.0 (S)" SDK (API Level 31) in Android Studio
    > and restarted LC and rebuilt the app.  Still getting the error from Google
    > Play.   Anyone have any ideas as to the LC/Studio settings needed to get
    > Google to accept the app?
    >
    > Thank you in advance!
    > Dan
    >
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    > use-livecode mailing list
    > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
    > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
    > subscription preferences:
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From craig at starfirelighting.com  Wed Aug 10 09:51:27 2022
From: craig at starfirelighting.com (Craig Newman)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 09:51:27 -0400
Subject: Datagrid internal error
In-Reply-To: <BC0C36F8-5564-4E24-9B67-564DA5CC4A40@iotecdigital.com>
References: <2981919d-4756-8d31-0a95-d28fdca6b445@researchware.com>
 <0B74C5FE-37CF-4858-A029-E7CE5D65A8AE@iotecdigital.com>
 <F26FA733-31F6-4E70-BE67-0852E7833155@iotecdigital.com>
 <11c91d2d-6351-1459-7087-cd0d07061343@researchware.com>
 <BC0C36F8-5564-4E24-9B67-564DA5CC4A40@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <D146FE4F-C4AB-4A98-863A-154E13B7F89D@starfirelighting.com>

This seems like a fragment of a longer thread, but the “dgText” and the “dgData” are the two methods I use to extract, process and reload the content of a data grid.

Craig

> On Aug 9, 2022, at 11:09 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I believe there is a property you set, after which you programmatically control the population of the datagrid. I am in a hurry so I can't look it up right now, but it is in the datagrid API in livecode lessons. 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Aug 9, 2022, at 05:09 , Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I can only image that the customer entered a name with some characters that Datagrid has a problem with as a column name OR that the shear number of columns (as the customer is working with a very large dataset) exceeds some practical Datagrid limit, but what would that be?
> 
> 
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From klaus at major-k.de  Wed Aug 10 10:59:35 2022
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 16:59:35 +0200
Subject: Getting the visible rect of a stack with fullscreenmode "showall"
Message-ID: <D89134B4-2129-4383-9766-FEA0711E4C45@major-k.de>

Hi all,

the subject says it all...

How can we get the the visible rect of a stack running
on mobile with fullscreenmode "showall"?
Know what I mean?

Thank you for any hint!


Best

Klaus
--
Klaus Major
https://www.major-k.de
https://www.major-k.de/bass
klaus at major-k.de



From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Aug 10 11:11:00 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 15:11:00 +0000
Subject: Datagrid internal error
In-Reply-To: <D146FE4F-C4AB-4A98-863A-154E13B7F89D@starfirelighting.com>
References: <2981919d-4756-8d31-0a95-d28fdca6b445@researchware.com>
 <0B74C5FE-37CF-4858-A029-E7CE5D65A8AE@iotecdigital.com>
 <F26FA733-31F6-4E70-BE67-0852E7833155@iotecdigital.com>
 <11c91d2d-6351-1459-7087-cd0d07061343@researchware.com>
 <BC0C36F8-5564-4E24-9B67-564DA5CC4A40@iotecdigital.com>
 <D146FE4F-C4AB-4A98-863A-154E13B7F89D@starfirelighting.com>
Message-ID: <499C9C03-5553-4B85-9386-F3BB2D571859@iotecdigital.com>

I was referring to dgNumberOfRecords

	• get the dgNumberOfRecords
	• set the dgNumberOfRecords of group "DataGrid" to 20
	• Getting the dgNumberOfRecords is the same as getting the dgNumberOfLines. Setting the dgNumberOfRecords has a special significance however. If you set the dgNumberOfRecords then you are telling the data grid that you know how many total records there are and you are going to supply the data for each record on an as-needed basis. This is useful when you have data in a database cursor that you would like to feed into the data grid.
After setting this property the data grid will send the GetDataForLine message to the data grid whenever it needs to display data for a particular line. You can define this command in the data grid script or elsewhere in the hierarchy. The definition is as follows:

command GetDataForLine pLine, @pDataA
  
end GetDataForLine

You should fill pDataA with the appropriate data based on the line of data being requested. pDataA should not have a numeric index. It is the array that would be assigned to one of the numeric indexes if you were assigning the dgData property.

Bob S


> On Aug 10, 2022, at 06:51 , Craig Newman via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> This seems like a fragment of a longer thread, but the “dgText” and the “dgData” are the two methods I use to extract, process and reload the content of a data grid.
> 
> Craig
> 
>> On Aug 9, 2022, at 11:09 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I believe there is a property you set, after which you programmatically control the population of the datagrid. I am in a hurry so I can't look it up right now, but it is in the datagrid API in livecode lessons. 
>> 
>> Bob S
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 9, 2022, at 05:09 , Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I can only image that the customer entered a name with some characters that Datagrid has a problem with as a column name OR that the shear number of columns (as the customer is working with a very large dataset) exceeds some practical Datagrid limit, but what would that be?
>> 
>> 
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From brian at milby7.com  Wed Aug 10 11:35:22 2022
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 11:35:22 -0400
Subject: Getting the visible rect of a stack with fullscreenmode "showall"
In-Reply-To: <D89134B4-2129-4383-9766-FEA0711E4C45@major-k.de>
References: <D89134B4-2129-4383-9766-FEA0711E4C45@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <CC7D9FEA-BFE0-4502-8565-BB2C534B8BC2@milby7.com>

Check out this repository:
https://github.com/bwmilby/mobileDemo

It has logging that shows various rects when changing modes.  I can look later to try to give a more concise answer.

Thanks,
Brian

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 10, 2022, at 11:00 AM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> the subject says it all...
> 
> How can we get the the visible rect of a stack running
> on mobile with fullscreenmode "showall"?
> Know what I mean?
> 
> Thank you for any hint!
> 
> 
> Best
> 
> Klaus
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From klaus at major-k.de  Wed Aug 10 11:44:03 2022
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 17:44:03 +0200
Subject: Getting the visible rect of a stack with fullscreenmode "showall"
In-Reply-To: <CC7D9FEA-BFE0-4502-8565-BB2C534B8BC2@milby7.com>
References: <D89134B4-2129-4383-9766-FEA0711E4C45@major-k.de>
 <CC7D9FEA-BFE0-4502-8565-BB2C534B8BC2@milby7.com>
Message-ID: <992EC019-21BE-45FD-9A3C-844F3BE597A1@major-k.de>

Hi Brian,

> Am 10.08.2022 um 17:35 schrieb Brian Milby via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Check out this repository:
> https://github.com/bwmilby/mobileDemo
> 
> It has logging that shows various rects when changing modes.  I can look later to try to give a more concise answer.

ah, yes, "the effectiver working screenrect"! 8-)

Will take a deeper look at your stack later, thanks!

> Thanks,
> Brian

Best

Klaus

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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Aug 10 12:04:22 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 16:04:22 +0000
Subject: Getting the visible rect of a stack with fullscreenmode "showall"
In-Reply-To: <992EC019-21BE-45FD-9A3C-844F3BE597A1@major-k.de>
References: <D89134B4-2129-4383-9766-FEA0711E4C45@major-k.de>
 <CC7D9FEA-BFE0-4502-8565-BB2C534B8BC2@milby7.com>
 <992EC019-21BE-45FD-9A3C-844F3BE597A1@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <85D09ECC-2265-4B3F-8D0C-BCF1CBB3A9C0@iotecdigital.com>

Wait, there is a more effectiver working screenrect than the effective one?? ;-P

Bob S


> On Aug 10, 2022, at 08:44 , Klaus major-k via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> ah, yes, "the effectiver working screenrect"! 8-)



From klaus at major-k.de  Wed Aug 10 12:07:44 2022
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 18:07:44 +0200
Subject: iPhone simulators
Message-ID: <700D60BB-911D-499B-8BD9-6BC7A7442A78@major-k.de>

Hi all,

we can open several different iPhone and iPad simulators on the Mac via Xcode.

However in the "Test Target" menu of LC we only see one generic "iPhone Simulator 15.2"
resp. "iPad Simulator 15.2".

Is there a way to select one of the open simulators directly?
Know what I mean? Thanks in advance!


Best

Klaus
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From klaus at major-k.de  Wed Aug 10 12:08:32 2022
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 18:08:32 +0200
Subject: Getting the visible rect of a stack with fullscreenmode "showall"
In-Reply-To: <85D09ECC-2265-4B3F-8D0C-BCF1CBB3A9C0@iotecdigital.com>
References: <D89134B4-2129-4383-9766-FEA0711E4C45@major-k.de>
 <CC7D9FEA-BFE0-4502-8565-BB2C534B8BC2@milby7.com>
 <992EC019-21BE-45FD-9A3C-844F3BE597A1@major-k.de>
 <85D09ECC-2265-4B3F-8D0C-BCF1CBB3A9C0@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CCF55103-20C6-4BEC-833B-799BA53FBAC4@major-k.de>

Hi Bob,

> Am 10.08.2022 um 18:04 schrieb Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Wait, there is a more effectiver working screenrect than the effective one?? ;-P

yes, but it is R-rated! 8-)

> Bob S
> 
>> On Aug 10, 2022, at 08:44 , Klaus major-k via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> ah, yes, "the effectiver working screenrect"! 8-)

Best

Klaus

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From panos.merakos at livecode.com  Wed Aug 10 12:11:01 2022
From: panos.merakos at livecode.com (panagiotis merakos)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 19:11:01 +0300
Subject: [ANN] Release 9.6.9 RC-1
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq-xHRk_X-XK6GVOpqbLkxyQiotbgfwVAmqy9WjR6kwG4A@mail.gmail.com>

Dear list members,

We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.9 RC-1.

LiveCode 9.6.9 RC-1 comes with more than 30 bugfixes, including support for
Android API 31, which is now a requirement for submitting new apps to the
Google Play Store.

You can find more details on the bug fixes and improvements of this new
release here:

https://livecode.com/android-api-31-support/

Note: This maintenance pre-release will break from convention slightly in
that there will definitely be an RC-2 with further bug fixes. This RC-1
release is being made due to the change in API level requirement for the
Play Store recently made by Google.

You can find the release in your LiveCode account area or get it via the
automatic updater.

Enjoy!

Kind regards
The LiveCode Team

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From merakosp at gmail.com  Wed Aug 10 12:28:22 2022
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis m)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 19:28:22 +0300
Subject: iPhone simulators
In-Reply-To: <700D60BB-911D-499B-8BD9-6BC7A7442A78@major-k.de>
References: <700D60BB-911D-499B-8BD9-6BC7A7442A78@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq9Xm4Nwysjx5qVt-zmYG38dP=HROzamw+xKUCA-dLbCsw@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Klaus,

The suggested approach is to make sure the desired simulator device is
already up and running. And then, in the Test Target menu, choose "iPhone
Simulator 15.2" or ""iPad Simulator 15.2", and click Test.

PS: To change a device, click on the Simulator app menu Hardware -> Device
-> iPhone X.Y etc

Note this might be slightly different depending on the version of your
Simulator app, which depends on the Xcode version, which depends on your
MacOS version :)

Cheers,
Panos

On Wed, 10 Aug 2022 at 19:08, Klaus major-k via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> we can open several different iPhone and iPad simulators on the Mac via
> Xcode.
>
> However in the "Test Target" menu of LC we only see one generic "iPhone
> Simulator 15.2"
> resp. "iPad Simulator 15.2".
>
> Is there a way to select one of the open simulators directly?
> Know what I mean? Thanks in advance!
>
>
> Best
>
> Klaus
> --
> Klaus Major
> https://www.major-k.de
> https://www.major-k.de/bass
> klaus at major-k.de
>
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From klaus at major-k.de  Wed Aug 10 12:38:36 2022
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 18:38:36 +0200
Subject: iPhone simulators
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq9Xm4Nwysjx5qVt-zmYG38dP=HROzamw+xKUCA-dLbCsw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <700D60BB-911D-499B-8BD9-6BC7A7442A78@major-k.de>
 <CA+JfEq9Xm4Nwysjx5qVt-zmYG38dP=HROzamw+xKUCA-dLbCsw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AF909224-1952-46F7-A0EE-98AE7B3CEA9E@major-k.de>

Hi Panos,

> Am 10.08.2022 um 18:28 schrieb panagiotis m via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Hello Klaus,
> 
> The suggested approach is to make sure the desired simulator device is
> already up and running. And then, in the Test Target menu, choose "iPhone
> Simulator 15.2" or ""iPad Simulator 15.2", and click Test.
> 
> PS: To change a device, click on the Simulator app menu Hardware -> Device
> -> iPhone X.Y etc

yes, I know this, that was not my question.

Supposed I opened two iPhone simulators (macOS 12.5, Xcode 13.2.1) in the simulator app,
in the LC menu there is only ONE entry named "iPhone Simulator 15.2".

My question is if we can test the app in one of the two simulators directly?
Means can we specifically address one of the open simulators?

Does not seem possible in the moment...
Looks like only the first opened simulator is being addressed by LC.

> Note this might be slightly different depending on the version of your
> Simulator app, which depends on the Xcode version, which depends on your
> MacOS version :)

Go figure!? 8-)

> Cheers,
> Panos
> 
> On Wed, 10 Aug 2022 at 19:08, Klaus major-k via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> we can open several different iPhone and iPad simulators on the Mac via
>> Xcode.
>> 
>> However in the "Test Target" menu of LC we only see one generic "iPhone
>> Simulator 15.2" resp. "iPad Simulator 15.2".
>> 
>> Is there a way to select one of the open simulators directly?
>> Know what I mean? Thanks in advance!

Best

Klaus

--
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https://www.major-k.de
https://www.major-k.de/bass
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Aug 10 13:23:57 2022
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 12:23:57 -0500
Subject: iPhone simulators
In-Reply-To: <AF909224-1952-46F7-A0EE-98AE7B3CEA9E@major-k.de>
References: <700D60BB-911D-499B-8BD9-6BC7A7442A78@major-k.de>
 <CA+JfEq9Xm4Nwysjx5qVt-zmYG38dP=HROzamw+xKUCA-dLbCsw@mail.gmail.com>
 <AF909224-1952-46F7-A0EE-98AE7B3CEA9E@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <18288c8cbc8.27a5.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>

If I remember right you can have an iPhone and an iPad simulator open at 
the same time and choose between them, but if you want two of the same type 
then it doesn't work.

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On August 10, 2022 11:39:54 AM Klaus major-k via use-livecode
>
> Does not seem possible in the moment...
> Looks like only the first opened simulator is being addressed by LC.




From klaus at major-k.de  Wed Aug 10 13:30:55 2022
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 19:30:55 +0200
Subject: iPhone simulators
In-Reply-To: <18288c8cbc8.27a5.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <700D60BB-911D-499B-8BD9-6BC7A7442A78@major-k.de>
 <CA+JfEq9Xm4Nwysjx5qVt-zmYG38dP=HROzamw+xKUCA-dLbCsw@mail.gmail.com>
 <AF909224-1952-46F7-A0EE-98AE7B3CEA9E@major-k.de>
 <18288c8cbc8.27a5.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <07EC9DFE-FB02-457A-A79C-1AE689BEEBB3@major-k.de>

Hi Jaques,

> Am 10.08.2022 um 19:23 schrieb J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> If I remember right you can have an iPhone and an iPad simulator open at the same time and choose between them, but if you want two of the same type then it doesn't work.

yep, came to the same conclusion.
A good candidate for an "enhancement request". :-)

> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> On August 10, 2022 11:39:54 AM Klaus major-k via use-livecode
>> 
>> Does not seem possible in the moment...
>> Looks like only the first opened simulator is being addressed by LC.

Best

Klaus

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From brian at milby7.com  Wed Aug 10 13:56:20 2022
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 13:56:20 -0400
Subject: Getting the visible rect of a stack with fullscreenmode "showall"
In-Reply-To: <CCF55103-20C6-4BEC-833B-799BA53FBAC4@major-k.de>
References: <CCF55103-20C6-4BEC-833B-799BA53FBAC4@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <102727ED-63C1-4F6D-B0DC-3C0B008E6A2E@milby7.com>

The handler you probably need to look at is in card 1002 (index) called setBackground (line 104).  The effective working screenrect is going to report device pixels.  To actually know the relative rect from the card’s perspective you have to translate to the card coordinates.  I may not have used the most efficient method, but you should be able to follow it.

Thanks,
Brian

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 10, 2022, at 12:08 PM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Bob,
> 
>> Am 10.08.2022 um 18:04 schrieb Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>> 
>> Wait, there is a more effectiver working screenrect than the effective one?? ;-P
> 
> yes, but it is R-rated! 8-)
> 
>> Bob S
>> 
>>>> On Aug 10, 2022, at 08:44 , Klaus major-k via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> ah, yes, "the effectiver working screenrect"! 8-)
> 
> Best
> 
> Klaus
> 
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> 
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Aug 10 16:14:44 2022
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 15:14:44 -0500
Subject: Windows standalone settings
Message-ID: <fe3c092e-8edf-2a91-d8b2-40ee8c154dad@hyperactivesw.com>

Does anyone still build for Windows x86 or is x86-64 sufficient now?

Also, what UAC execution level do you set? Default, highest avialable, etc.?

-- 
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From paul at researchware.com  Wed Aug 10 16:23:45 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 16:23:45 -0400
Subject: Windows standalone settings
In-Reply-To: <fe3c092e-8edf-2a91-d8b2-40ee8c154dad@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <fe3c092e-8edf-2a91-d8b2-40ee8c154dad@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <5849fd1e-665f-5089-118c-1cd11079909c@researchware.com>

On 8/10/2022 4:14 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
> Does anyone still build for Windows x86 or is x86-64 sufficient now?
>
> Also, what UAC execution level do you set? Default, highest avialable, 
> etc.?
>

I still build for 32 bit windows as it still works and is the lowest 
common denominator - it works on all windows systems. I leave the UAC at 
Default for our apps but Admin for our Installer (built in Livecode like 
our apps)


From paul at researchware.com  Wed Aug 10 16:27:26 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 16:27:26 -0400
Subject: Datagrid internal error
In-Reply-To: <499C9C03-5553-4B85-9386-F3BB2D571859@iotecdigital.com>
References: <2981919d-4756-8d31-0a95-d28fdca6b445@researchware.com>
 <0B74C5FE-37CF-4858-A029-E7CE5D65A8AE@iotecdigital.com>
 <F26FA733-31F6-4E70-BE67-0852E7833155@iotecdigital.com>
 <11c91d2d-6351-1459-7087-cd0d07061343@researchware.com>
 <BC0C36F8-5564-4E24-9B67-564DA5CC4A40@iotecdigital.com>
 <D146FE4F-C4AB-4A98-863A-154E13B7F89D@starfirelighting.com>
 <499C9C03-5553-4B85-9386-F3BB2D571859@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <84758463-64dd-324b-9cf0-511cfe09ef0a@researchware.com>

I'm sorry, I don;t see what setting the dgData or dgText or 
dgNuberofRecords has to do with my original post - I get an internal 
Datagird script error when setting the names of the columns (see 
original post)

On 8/10/2022 11:11 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
> I was referring to dgNumberOfRecords
>
> 	 get the dgNumberOfRecords
> 	 set the dgNumberOfRecords of group "DataGrid" to 20
> 	 Getting the dgNumberOfRecords is the same as getting the dgNumberOfLines. Setting the dgNumberOfRecords has a special significance however. If you set the dgNumberOfRecords then you are telling the data grid that you know how many total records there are and you are going to supply the data for each record on an as-needed basis. This is useful when you have data in a database cursor that you would like to feed into the data grid.
> After setting this property the data grid will send the GetDataForLine message to the data grid whenever it needs to display data for a particular line. You can define this command in the data grid script or elsewhere in the hierarchy. The definition is as follows:
>
> command GetDataForLine pLine, @pDataA
>    
> end GetDataForLine
>
> You should fill pDataA with the appropriate data based on the line of data being requested. pDataA should not have a numeric index. It is the array that would be assigned to one of the numeric indexes if you were assigning the dgData property.
>
> Bob S
>
>
>> On Aug 10, 2022, at 06:51 , Craig Newman via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> This seems like a fragment of a longer thread, but the dgText and the dgData are the two methods I use to extract, process and reload the content of a data grid.
>>
>> Craig
>>
>>> On Aug 9, 2022, at 11:09 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I believe there is a property you set, after which you programmatically control the population of the datagrid. I am in a hurry so I can't look it up right now, but it is in the datagrid API in livecode lessons.
>>>
>>> Bob S
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Aug 9, 2022, at 05:09 , Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I can only image that the customer entered a name with some characters that Datagrid has a problem with as a column name OR that the shear number of columns (as the customer is working with a very large dataset) exceeds some practical Datagrid limit, but what would that be?
>>>
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From mark at canelasoftware.com  Wed Aug 10 16:41:48 2022
From: mark at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 13:41:48 -0700
Subject: [ANN] Release 9.6.9 RC-1
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> On Aug 10, 2022, at 9:11 AM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Dear list members,
> 
> We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.9 RC-1.
> 
> LiveCode 9.6.9 RC-1 comes with more than 30 bugfixes, including support for
> Android API 31, which is now a requirement for submitting new apps to the
> Google Play Store.
> 
> You can find more details on the bug fixes and improvements of this new
> release here:
> 
> https://livecode.com/android-api-31-support/
> 
> Note: This maintenance pre-release will break from convention slightly in
> that there will definitely be an RC-2 with further bug fixes. This RC-1
> release is being made due to the change in API level requirement for the
> Play Store recently made by Google.
> 
> You can find the release in your LiveCode account area or get it via the
> automatic updater.
> 
> Enjoy!
> 
> Kind regards
> The LiveCode Team


Thank you for this update.


Best regards,
Mark Talluto


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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Aug 10 16:57:18 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 20:57:18 +0000
Subject: Datagrid internal error
In-Reply-To: <84758463-64dd-324b-9cf0-511cfe09ef0a@researchware.com>
References: <2981919d-4756-8d31-0a95-d28fdca6b445@researchware.com>
 <0B74C5FE-37CF-4858-A029-E7CE5D65A8AE@iotecdigital.com>
 <F26FA733-31F6-4E70-BE67-0852E7833155@iotecdigital.com>
 <11c91d2d-6351-1459-7087-cd0d07061343@researchware.com>
 <BC0C36F8-5564-4E24-9B67-564DA5CC4A40@iotecdigital.com>
 <D146FE4F-C4AB-4A98-863A-154E13B7F89D@starfirelighting.com>
 <499C9C03-5553-4B85-9386-F3BB2D571859@iotecdigital.com>
 <84758463-64dd-324b-9cf0-511cfe09ef0a@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <A7831160-EB11-4535-A20E-3B3F1446999B@iotecdigital.com>

Well the question came up if there was some limit on the number of records, and controlling the population of the datagrid would solve that. As far as the number of columns, I suspect there may be a limit on the number of *displayed* columns, and probably an issue with what characters are allowed for column names. Those things I am unsure of. 

Is it necessary to display *all* the data in the array, or can you use the datagrid as a sort of index to an array that is in memory, only populating the columns you need? 

The datagrid library is not protected, so if your app in the IDE throws an error and drops you into the datagrid library script in the debugger (mine does), then you can poke around in the debugger to see where things are going awry. 

Bob S


> On Aug 10, 2022, at 13:27 , Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I'm sorry, I don;t see what setting the dgData or dgText or dgNuberofRecords has to do with my original post - I get an internal Datagird script error when setting the names of the columns (see original post)



From craig at starfirelighting.com  Wed Aug 10 16:57:23 2022
From: craig at starfirelighting.com (Craig Newman)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 16:57:23 -0400
Subject: Datagrid internal error
In-Reply-To: <D146FE4F-C4AB-4A98-863A-154E13B7F89D@starfirelighting.com>
References: <2981919d-4756-8d31-0a95-d28fdca6b445@researchware.com>
 <0B74C5FE-37CF-4858-A029-E7CE5D65A8AE@iotecdigital.com>
 <F26FA733-31F6-4E70-BE67-0852E7833155@iotecdigital.com>
 <11c91d2d-6351-1459-7087-cd0d07061343@researchware.com>
 <BC0C36F8-5564-4E24-9B67-564DA5CC4A40@iotecdigital.com>
 <D146FE4F-C4AB-4A98-863A-154E13B7F89D@starfirelighting.com>
Message-ID: <F28F33B9-C9DC-4950-AC00-3F9850BDAFC7@starfirelighting.com>

Paul.

All I saw was this:

"I believe there is a property you set, after which you programmatically control the population of the datagrid. I am in a hurry so I can't look it up right now, but it is in the datagrid API in livecode lessons. 

Which is why I mentioned that the bulk of the thread must not have come to me.

Craig

From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Aug 10 16:58:53 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 20:58:53 +0000
Subject: Windows standalone settings
In-Reply-To: <fe3c092e-8edf-2a91-d8b2-40ee8c154dad@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <fe3c092e-8edf-2a91-d8b2-40ee8c154dad@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <FE31BE0A-6D6D-406D-B3BE-1717BC7833E5@iotecdigital.com>

I do only because I have a special case where I grabbled a 32 bit windows PC to serve mySQL and Spiceworks, and to host my SQL Socket Agent. 

Bob S


> On Aug 10, 2022, at 13:14 , J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Does anyone still build for Windows x86 or is x86-64 sufficient now?
> 
> Also, what UAC execution level do you set? Default, highest avialable, etc.?
> 
> -- 
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From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Wed Aug 10 17:02:43 2022
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 16:02:43 -0500
Subject: Datagrid internal error
In-Reply-To: <005401d8ab4d$bbd48c10$337da430$@net>
References: <2981919d-4756-8d31-0a95-d28fdca6b445@researchware.com>
 <60e95862-61d7-4a07-2423-b77b10afc68f@researchware.com>
 <005401d8ab4d$bbd48c10$337da430$@net>
Message-ID: <CAHg3tG9MWSvRO1ZdSk-R_4gYL+XyX2T34chW1y-KARxEkDccUQ@mail.gmail.com>

32,767 is the max for width as well. If there are enough columns it is
possible that the DataGrid is rendering a group that exceeds this limit and
hence the error. The DataGrid works around the limit when rendering rows,
but not when rendering columns.

I suppose a quick test would be to create a DataGrid with 330 columns that
are at least 100 pixels wide and see if you get the same error.

-- 
Trevor DeVore
ScreenSteps

On Mon, Aug 8, 2022 at 12:36 PM Ralph DiMola via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Paul,
>
> The max height of a field is 32,767 pixels. This can be hard to quantify
> especially on mobile with the cornucopia of screen resolutions. I would
> imagine that this limit also applies to groups as well. I got bit on this
> when the app worked in the IDE but failed on some devices.
>
> Ralph DiMola
> IT Director
> Evergreen Information Services
> rdimola at evergreeninfo.net
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On
> Behalf
> Of Paul Dupuis via use-livecode
> Sent: Monday, August 08, 2022 12:39 PM
> To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Cc: Paul Dupuis
> Subject: Re: Datagrid internal error
>
> On 8/8/2022 12:26 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
> > A customer encountered the following execution error (below) in our
> > app (built on Livecode 9.6.7, MacOS 12.5). This error is occurring in
> > the scrips for the Datagrid itself, rather than our code. At the end,
> > it is one of our handler, "populateMe", where line 139 is where the
> > error starts.
> > Line 139 set the dgProp["columns"] of grp "rwMatrixObj_DataGrid" to
> > tColumnNames
> >
>
> For example, some information from the customer suggest they are working
> with a VERY large dataset, so the length of the list in TColumnNames could
> be quit long - perhaps hundreds of lines. Is there a practical limit on the
> number of columns a Datagrid can be set to?
>
>
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From paul at researchware.com  Wed Aug 10 17:14:44 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 17:14:44 -0400
Subject: Datagrid internal error
In-Reply-To: <A7831160-EB11-4535-A20E-3B3F1446999B@iotecdigital.com>
References: <2981919d-4756-8d31-0a95-d28fdca6b445@researchware.com>
 <0B74C5FE-37CF-4858-A029-E7CE5D65A8AE@iotecdigital.com>
 <F26FA733-31F6-4E70-BE67-0852E7833155@iotecdigital.com>
 <11c91d2d-6351-1459-7087-cd0d07061343@researchware.com>
 <BC0C36F8-5564-4E24-9B67-564DA5CC4A40@iotecdigital.com>
 <D146FE4F-C4AB-4A98-863A-154E13B7F89D@starfirelighting.com>
 <499C9C03-5553-4B85-9386-F3BB2D571859@iotecdigital.com>
 <84758463-64dd-324b-9cf0-511cfe09ef0a@researchware.com>
 <A7831160-EB11-4535-A20E-3B3F1446999B@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <33771d06-f7ea-8b67-f7e0-22a841b52c70@researchware.com>

I do appreciate the responses. My question was not about the number of 
records, but about the number of COLUMNS and whether there is any 
practical or known limit.

When my code is setting the column names, that list comes from customer 
entered data. I know that each name is less than 255 characters and 
restricts entry of certain characters (previously listed) such as comma, 
[ ], etc. How many names is unknown.

In this specific case of the error I reported, the customer is not in a 
position to be able to help much (if at all). Since it is customer data 
dependent, we are not able to reproduce the error in the IDE. SO my very 
specific questions was: Has any one seen an error like the one I 
reported (copied again below) OR know of any issues/limits when setting 
the dgProp["columns"] property of a Datagrid?

A customer encountered the following execution error (below) in our app 
(built on Livecode 9.6.7, MacOS 12.5). This error is occurring in the 
scripts for the Datagrid itself, rather than our code. At the end, it is 
one of our handler, "populateMe", where line 139 is where the error starts.

Line 139 set the dgProp["columns"] of grp "rwMatrixObj_DataGrid" to 
tColumnNames

tColumnNames is a variable containing a list of text lines that are 
customer entered column names, so they could be ANYTHING (up to 255 
chars, no control characters, including DEL (127)) that a user could 
type or paste into a field, including words in any language using Unicode.

As the executionContexts data does not contain the actual values of the 
variable tColumnNames when the error occurs, does ANYONE have any idea 
what tColumnNames might contain that could produce the error(s) show below?

Technical information:
Property: value is not a number: (Line 11, column 1)
Object: can't set object property: (Line 11, column 5)
set: can't set property: (Line 11, column 1)
Handler: error in statement: LayoutControl (Line 11, column 1)
Object ID: stack "RevDataGridLibraryBehaviorsDefaultHeaderButtonBehavior"
-
repeat: error in statement: (Line 5066, column 1)
Handler: error in statement: _table.ResizeHeaders (Line 5052, column 1)
Object ID: stack "RevDataGridLibraryBehaviorsDataGridButtonBehavior"
-
Handler: error in statement: _table.ResizeColumns (Line 4967, column 1)
Object ID: stack "RevDataGridLibraryBehaviorsDataGridButtonBehavior"
-
Handler: error in statement: _table.CreateColumns (Line 4737, column 1)
Object ID: stack "RevDataGridLibraryBehaviorsDataGridButtonBehavior"
-
Handler: error in statement: _table.RegenerateColumns (Line 4538, column 1)
Object ID: stack "RevDataGridLibraryBehaviorsDataGridButtonBehavior"
-
switch: error in statement: (Line 6150, column 1)
Handler: error in statement: dgProps (Line 5553, column 1)
Object ID: stack "RevDataGridLibraryBehaviorsDataGridButtonBehavior"
-
set: can't set property: (Line 5529, column 1)
Handler: error in statement: dgProp (Line 5529, column 1)
Object ID: stack "RevDataGridLibraryBehaviorsDataGridButtonBehavior"
-
set: can't set property: (Line 139, column 1)
if-then: error in statement: (Line 139, column 1)
Handler: error in statement: populateMe (Line 138, column 1)
Object: group "Table" of card "FrequencyReport" of stack "FreqReport.rwtl"
Object ID: group id 1162 of card id 1002 of stack 
"/Applications/HyperRESEARCH 4.5.4/Components/Tools/FreqReport.rwtl"



From paul at researchware.com  Wed Aug 10 17:15:25 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 17:15:25 -0400
Subject: Datagrid internal error
In-Reply-To: <CAHg3tG9MWSvRO1ZdSk-R_4gYL+XyX2T34chW1y-KARxEkDccUQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2981919d-4756-8d31-0a95-d28fdca6b445@researchware.com>
 <60e95862-61d7-4a07-2423-b77b10afc68f@researchware.com>
 <005401d8ab4d$bbd48c10$337da430$@net>
 <CAHg3tG9MWSvRO1ZdSk-R_4gYL+XyX2T34chW1y-KARxEkDccUQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <21ce9be5-0360-1ca5-5135-efc26d37016c@researchware.com>

On 8/10/2022 5:02 PM, Trevor DeVore via use-livecode wrote:
> 32,767 is the max for width as well. If there are enough columns it is
> possible that the DataGrid is rendering a group that exceeds this limit and
> hence the error. The DataGrid works around the limit when rendering rows,
> but not when rendering columns.
>
> I suppose a quick test would be to create a DataGrid with 330 columns that
> are at least 100 pixels wide and see if you get the same error.
>

Thank you!



From sean at pidigital.co.uk  Wed Aug 10 23:45:22 2022
From: sean at pidigital.co.uk (Sean Cole)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 04:45:22 +0100
Subject: Email via IMAP with HTML body from a template
Message-ID: <CABRqQSRadss+-jmj32i=04hTs=MsLKHwFL-8Thm5gNwBmVEzzw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I'm struggling with this still. It's been years (since before Dec 2020) and
I just can't get my head around it.

I have a template created in Dreamweaver that is a simple bit of HTML body
with CSS styling embedded (https://pidigital.co.uk/DeepDiveReport.html).
There is also a pdf that needs to be attached.

How do I use MimeEncodeAsMIMEMultipartDocument to make it ready to send via
tsNetSmtpSync?

There are zero tutorials and the dictionary is devoid of any useful
information on how to use it. Google turned up nothing. In my previous
request back in 2020, Monte, the author of the MIME library, had only
referred me on to the RSC docs for MIME which is like looking for a straw
in a needle stack. When I asked at one of the 'Firesides' I was told just
to use a template and send it. But to send it, it needs to be encoded and
that's the bit that is undocumented anywhere.

Any help appreciated.

From tom at makeshyft.com  Thu Aug 11 00:38:10 2022
From: tom at makeshyft.com (Tom Glod)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 00:38:10 -0400
Subject: Email via IMAP with HTML body from a template
In-Reply-To: <CABRqQSRadss+-jmj32i=04hTs=MsLKHwFL-8Thm5gNwBmVEzzw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABRqQSRadss+-jmj32i=04hTs=MsLKHwFL-8Thm5gNwBmVEzzw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPzQJL+2Rj6yer545=_wWMd3U5xoynjZXNOTu_SJyjSKcVWJ+g@mail.gmail.com>

Sean,

Try this ..

edit the script of stack "com.livecode.library.mime"

there seems to be some documentation there that may help.

I also found this

https://livecode.fandom.com/wiki/MimeEncodeAsMIMEMultipartDocument

Is that your comment? :)

Hope that helps a bit.



On Wed, Aug 10, 2022 at 11:46 PM Sean Cole via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I'm struggling with this still. It's been years (since before Dec 2020) and
> I just can't get my head around it.
>
> I have a template created in Dreamweaver that is a simple bit of HTML body
> with CSS styling embedded (https://pidigital.co.uk/DeepDiveReport.html).
> There is also a pdf that needs to be attached.
>
> How do I use MimeEncodeAsMIMEMultipartDocument to make it ready to send via
> tsNetSmtpSync?
>
> There are zero tutorials and the dictionary is devoid of any useful
> information on how to use it. Google turned up nothing. In my previous
> request back in 2020, Monte, the author of the MIME library, had only
> referred me on to the RSC docs for MIME which is like looking for a straw
> in a needle stack. When I asked at one of the 'Firesides' I was told just
> to use a template and send it. But to send it, it needs to be encoded and
> that's the bit that is undocumented anywhere.
>
> Any help appreciated.
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From sean at pidigital.co.uk  Thu Aug 11 01:11:38 2022
From: sean at pidigital.co.uk (Sean Cole)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 06:11:38 +0100
Subject: Email via IMAP with HTML body from a template
In-Reply-To: <CAPzQJL+2Rj6yer545=_wWMd3U5xoynjZXNOTu_SJyjSKcVWJ+g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABRqQSRadss+-jmj32i=04hTs=MsLKHwFL-8Thm5gNwBmVEzzw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAPzQJL+2Rj6yer545=_wWMd3U5xoynjZXNOTu_SJyjSKcVWJ+g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABRqQSSdWveCQrUiSdErcgjxiTUU2ZRmhiK7iVh8c0wpcPkkVg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Tom,

The doc in the script is the same that comes up in the dictionary. No help
when it comes to actually following a series of instructions that are
needed to send an HTML email via tsNetSmtpSync. Basically, it only tells
you the syntax, but with no help on even a few of the necessary parameters
you would need to use to make proper use of it. It's like being handed the
space shuttle and told "there you are, work it out for yourself"!

That is my comment on Fandom. The same I asked of Monte. Neither he nor
anyone else wants to answer those questions it would seem.

pContentA: How do we pre-encode parts including headers?
pMultipartType: What MultiPart types are there?
pParamA: What kind of parameters does ParamA take?

The formatting we get from converting a field to mime
(MimeEncodeFieldAsMimeMultipartDocument - a ridiculously long command name
btw) is horrendous. It's practically unusable, hence why I NEED to find a
way to send HTML by email on behalf of our clients.

On Thu, 11 Aug 2022 at 05:38, Tom Glod via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Sean,
>
> Try this ..
>
> edit the script of stack "com.livecode.library.mime"
>
> there seems to be some documentation there that may help.
>
> I also found this
>
> https://livecode.fandom.com/wiki/MimeEncodeAsMIMEMultipartDocument
>
> Is that your comment? :)
>
> Hope that helps a bit.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 10, 2022 at 11:46 PM Sean Cole via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I'm struggling with this still. It's been years (since before Dec 2020)
> and
> > I just can't get my head around it.
> >
> > I have a template created in Dreamweaver that is a simple bit of HTML
> body
> > with CSS styling embedded (https://pidigital.co.uk/DeepDiveReport.html).
> > There is also a pdf that needs to be attached.
> >
> > How do I use MimeEncodeAsMIMEMultipartDocument to make it ready to send
> via
> > tsNetSmtpSync?
> >
> > There are zero tutorials and the dictionary is devoid of any useful
> > information on how to use it. Google turned up nothing. In my previous
> > request back in 2020, Monte, the author of the MIME library, had only
> > referred me on to the RSC docs for MIME which is like looking for a straw
> > in a needle stack. When I asked at one of the 'Firesides' I was told just
> > to use a template and send it. But to send it, it needs to be encoded and
> > that's the bit that is undocumented anywhere.
> >
> > Any help appreciated.
> > _______________________________________________
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From charles at techstrategies.com.au  Thu Aug 11 01:45:09 2022
From: charles at techstrategies.com.au (Charles Warwick)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 15:45:09 +1000
Subject: Email via IMAP with HTML body from a template
Message-ID: <C69434C1-A162-477B-8096-8BAF4DC53143@techstrategies.com.au>

Hi Sean,

There is a sample stack on my website for sending an e-mail with an attachment using the MIME library here:

https://downloads.techstrategies.com.au/tsnet/smtpexample.livecode

Does that help at all,

Regards,

Charles

> On 11 Aug 2022, at 2:39 pm, Tom Glod via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Sean,
> 
> Try this ..
> 
> edit the script of stack "com.livecode.library.mime"
> 
> there seems to be some documentation there that may help.
> 
> I also found this
> 
> https://livecode.fandom.com/wiki/MimeEncodeAsMIMEMultipartDocument
> 
> Is that your comment? :)
> 
> Hope that helps a bit.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Wed, Aug 10, 2022 at 11:46 PM Sean Cole via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> I'm struggling with this still. It's been years (since before Dec 2020) and
>> I just can't get my head around it.
>> I have a template created in Dreamweaver that is a simple bit of HTML body
>> with CSS styling embedded (https://pidigital.co.uk/DeepDiveReport.html).
>> There is also a pdf that needs to be attached.
>> How do I use MimeEncodeAsMIMEMultipartDocument to make it ready to send via
>> tsNetSmtpSync?
>> There are zero tutorials and the dictionary is devoid of any useful
>> information on how to use it. Google turned up nothing. In my previous
>> request back in 2020, Monte, the author of the MIME library, had only
>> referred me on to the RSC docs for MIME which is like looking for a straw
>> in a needle stack. When I asked at one of the 'Firesides' I was told just
>> to use a template and send it. But to send it, it needs to be encoded and
>> that's the bit that is undocumented anywhere.
>> Any help appreciated.
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
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From sean at pidigital.co.uk  Thu Aug 11 02:10:08 2022
From: sean at pidigital.co.uk (Pi Digital)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 07:10:08 +0100
Subject: Email via IMAP with HTML body from a template
In-Reply-To: <C69434C1-A162-477B-8096-8BAF4DC53143@techstrategies.com.au>
References: <C69434C1-A162-477B-8096-8BAF4DC53143@techstrategies.com.au>
Message-ID: <D2BDC61F-C28E-4258-9C19-182817AFF2E6@pidigital.co.uk>

Hi Charles

I know how to add an attachment because there are tutorials on this. That is already being implemented. My question is on how to add in proper html body for the content. Does your stack show how to do that?

Sean

> On 11 Aug 2022, at 06:45, Charles Warwick via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Sean,
> 
> There is a sample stack on my website for sending an e-mail with an attachment using the MIME library here:
> 
> https://downloads.techstrategies.com.au/tsnet/smtpexample.livecode
> 
> Does that help at all,
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Charles


From charles at techstrategies.com.au  Thu Aug 11 02:16:03 2022
From: charles at techstrategies.com.au (Charles Warwick)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 16:16:03 +1000
Subject: Email via IMAP with HTML body from a template
In-Reply-To: <C69434C1-A162-477B-8096-8BAF4DC53143@techstrategies.com.au>
References: <C69434C1-A162-477B-8096-8BAF4DC53143@techstrategies.com.au>
Message-ID: <0C99BEF1-2C2C-4583-8E74-B6AFA0803E6E@techstrategies.com.au>

Hi Sean,

After reading your second e-mail, I see that you don't want to use mimeEncodeFieldAsMIMEMultipartDocument to generate the HTML version of the e-mail body from a field as it does in that sample stack.

If you want to create your own HTML and plain text versions of the e-mail body, you can still use that sample stack.  Simply replace the following line:

put mimeEncodeFieldAsMIMEMultipartDocument(the long id of field "email_message") into tBody

With something like this:

put “Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8” & crlf into tHeadersPlain
put “Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable” after tHeadersPlain
put “<Plain Text Version Here>” into tBodyPlain
put tHeadersPlain & crlf & crlf & \
mimeEncodeForMIMETransfer(tBodyPlain, “quoted-printable”) into tContent[1]

put “Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8” & crlf into tHeadersHTML
put “Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable” after tHeadersHTML
put “<HTML Version Here>” into tBodyHTML
put tHeadersHTML & crlf & crlf & \
mimeEncodeForMIMETransfer(tBodyHTML, “quoted-printable”) into tContent[2]

put mimeEncodeAsMIMEMultipartDocument(tContent, “alernative”)

Hope that helps,

Regards,

Charles

> On 11 Aug 2022, at 3:46 pm, Charles Warwick <charles at techstrategies.com.au> wrote:
> 
> Hi Sean,
> 
> There is a sample stack on my website for sending an e-mail with an attachment using the MIME library here:
> 
> https://downloads.techstrategies.com.au/tsnet/smtpexample.livecode
> 
> Does that help at all,
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Charles
> 
>> On 11 Aug 2022, at 2:39 pm, Tom Glod via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Sean,
>> 
>> Try this ..
>> 
>> edit the script of stack "com.livecode.library.mime"
>> 
>> there seems to be some documentation there that may help.
>> 
>> I also found this
>> 
>> https://livecode.fandom.com/wiki/MimeEncodeAsMIMEMultipartDocument
>> 
>> Is that your comment? :)
>> 
>> Hope that helps a bit.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Wed, Aug 10, 2022 at 11:46 PM Sean Cole via use-livecode <
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>> I'm struggling with this still. It's been years (since before Dec 2020) and
>>> I just can't get my head around it.
>>> I have a template created in Dreamweaver that is a simple bit of HTML body
>>> with CSS styling embedded (https://pidigital.co.uk/DeepDiveReport.html).
>>> There is also a pdf that needs to be attached.
>>> How do I use MimeEncodeAsMIMEMultipartDocument to make it ready to send via
>>> tsNetSmtpSync?
>>> There are zero tutorials and the dictionary is devoid of any useful
>>> information on how to use it. Google turned up nothing. In my previous
>>> request back in 2020, Monte, the author of the MIME library, had only
>>> referred me on to the RSC docs for MIME which is like looking for a straw
>>> in a needle stack. When I asked at one of the 'Firesides' I was told just
>>> to use a template and send it. But to send it, it needs to be encoded and
>>> that's the bit that is undocumented anywhere.
>>> Any help appreciated.
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>> subscription preferences:
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From charles at techstrategies.com.au  Thu Aug 11 02:23:44 2022
From: charles at techstrategies.com.au (Charles Warwick)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 16:23:44 +1000
Subject: Email via IMAP with HTML body from a template
Message-ID: <946CE30C-C30E-41EB-B407-8A896FC9508D@techstrategies.com.au>

Sorry, the last line of the replacement code should have been:

put mimeEncodeAsMIMEMultipartDocument(tContent, “alernative”) into tBody

(It was missing the "into tBody" at the end of the line)

> On 11 Aug 2022, at 4:17 pm, Charles Warwick <charles at techstrategies.com.au> wrote:
> 
> Hi Sean,
> 
> After reading your second e-mail, I see that you don't want to use mimeEncodeFieldAsMIMEMultipartDocument to generate the HTML version of the e-mail body from a field as it does in that sample stack.
> 
> If you want to create your own HTML and plain text versions of the e-mail body, you can still use that sample stack.  Simply replace the following line:
> 
> put mimeEncodeFieldAsMIMEMultipartDocument(the long id of field "email_message") into tBody
> 
> With something like this:
> 
> put “Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8” & crlf into tHeadersPlain
> put “Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable” after tHeadersPlain
> put “<Plain Text Version Here>” into tBodyPlain
> put tHeadersPlain & crlf & crlf & \
> mimeEncodeForMIMETransfer(tBodyPlain, “quoted-printable”) into tContent[1]
> 
> put “Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8” & crlf into tHeadersHTML
> put “Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable” after tHeadersHTML
> put “<HTML Version Here>” into tBodyHTML
> put tHeadersHTML & crlf & crlf & \
> mimeEncodeForMIMETransfer(tBodyHTML, “quoted-printable”) into tContent[2]
> 
> put mimeEncodeAsMIMEMultipartDocument(tContent, “alernative”)
> 
> Hope that helps,
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Charles
> 
>> On 11 Aug 2022, at 3:46 pm, Charles Warwick <charles at techstrategies.com.au> wrote:
>> Hi Sean,
>> There is a sample stack on my website for sending an e-mail with an attachment using the MIME library here:
>> https://downloads.techstrategies.com.au/tsnet/smtpexample.livecode
>> Does that help at all,
>> Regards,
>> Charles
>>>> On 11 Aug 2022, at 2:39 pm, Tom Glod via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> Sean,
>>> Try this ..
>>> edit the script of stack "com.livecode.library.mime"
>>> there seems to be some documentation there that may help.
>>> I also found this
>>> https://livecode.fandom.com/wiki/MimeEncodeAsMIMEMultipartDocument
>>> Is that your comment? :)
>>> Hope that helps a bit.
>>>> On Wed, Aug 10, 2022 at 11:46 PM Sean Cole via use-livecode <
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> I'm struggling with this still. It's been years (since before Dec 2020) and
>>>> I just can't get my head around it.
>>>> I have a template created in Dreamweaver that is a simple bit of HTML body
>>>> with CSS styling embedded (https://pidigital.co.uk/DeepDiveReport.html).
>>>> There is also a pdf that needs to be attached.
>>>> How do I use MimeEncodeAsMIMEMultipartDocument to make it ready to send via
>>>> tsNetSmtpSync?
>>>> There are zero tutorials and the dictionary is devoid of any useful
>>>> information on how to use it. Google turned up nothing. In my previous
>>>> request back in 2020, Monte, the author of the MIME library, had only
>>>> referred me on to the RSC docs for MIME which is like looking for a straw
>>>> in a needle stack. When I asked at one of the 'Firesides' I was told just
>>>> to use a template and send it. But to send it, it needs to be encoded and
>>>> that's the bit that is undocumented anywhere.
>>>> Any help appreciated.
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>>> subscription preferences:
>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>> _______________________________________________
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From klaus at major-k.de  Thu Aug 11 06:08:28 2022
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 12:08:28 +0200
Subject: iPhone simulators
In-Reply-To: <07EC9DFE-FB02-457A-A79C-1AE689BEEBB3@major-k.de>
References: <700D60BB-911D-499B-8BD9-6BC7A7442A78@major-k.de>
 <CA+JfEq9Xm4Nwysjx5qVt-zmYG38dP=HROzamw+xKUCA-dLbCsw@mail.gmail.com>
 <AF909224-1952-46F7-A0EE-98AE7B3CEA9E@major-k.de>
 <18288c8cbc8.27a5.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <07EC9DFE-FB02-457A-A79C-1AE689BEEBB3@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <53B76442-2D0D-4D2E-B1CC-6F251935A242@major-k.de>

Hi all,

> Am 10.08.2022 um 19:30 schrieb Klaus major-k via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Hi Jaques,
> 
>> Am 10.08.2022 um 19:23 schrieb J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>> If I remember right you can have an iPhone and an iPad simulator open at the same time and choose between them, but if you want two of the same type then it doesn't work.
> yep, came to the same conclusion. A good candidate for an "enhancement request". :-)

and done: <https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23871>


Best

Klaus
--
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https://www.major-k.de
https://www.major-k.de/bass
klaus at major-k.de



From klaus at major-k.de  Thu Aug 11 06:30:11 2022
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 12:30:11 +0200
Subject: Fail to test new stack on Android device
Message-ID: <06D69988-8C8D-44AC-82A0-DAF8493878C4@major-k.de>

Hi all,

I just tested an older stack on my Android device, everything is fine.
Then I created a new stack for a little stack and always get this error
when selecting "Test" in the LC dev menu.
<https://www.dropbox.com/s/j89i1ewpxh5ixny/stream_install_failed.png?dl=0>

Only script in that stack:
------------------------
on preopenstack
   set the fullscreenmode of this stack to "showall"
end preopenstack

## And a button:
on mouseUp
  ## Need to know if that is returning anything or giving an error or whatever...
  answer iphonesafeareainsets()
end mouseUp
------------------------
If I switch back to the other stack, I can upload and test, but not with this new stack!?

Any hints? Thanks!


Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
https://www.major-k.de
https://www.major-k.de/bass
klaus at major-k.de



From klaus at major-k.de  Thu Aug 11 06:39:18 2022
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 12:39:18 +0200
Subject: Fail to test new stack on Android device
In-Reply-To: <06D69988-8C8D-44AC-82A0-DAF8493878C4@major-k.de>
References: <06D69988-8C8D-44AC-82A0-DAF8493878C4@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <40D487EA-018C-48DD-81CA-80E11EC12042@major-k.de>



> Am 11.08.2022 um 12:30 schrieb Klaus major-k via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I just tested an older stack on my Android device, everything is fine.
> Then I created a new stack for a little stack and always get this error
> when selecting "Test" in the LC dev menu.
> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/j89i1ewpxh5ixny/stream_install_failed.png?dl=0>
> 
> Only script in that stack:
> ------------------------
> on preopenstack
>   set the fullscreenmode of this stack to "showall"
> end preopenstack
> 
> ## And a button:
> on mouseUp
>  ## Need to know if that is returning anything or giving an error or whatever...
>  answer iphonesafeareainsets()
> end mouseUp
> ------------------------
> If I switch back to the other stack, I can upload and test, but not with this new stack!?
> 
> Any hints? Thanks!

of course everyting is set up correctly in the "Stanalone Application Settings"!

--
Klaus Major
https://www.major-k.de
https://www.major-k.de/bass
klaus at major-k.de



From brian at milby7.com  Thu Aug 11 07:30:45 2022
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 07:30:45 -0400
Subject: Fail to test new stack on Android device
In-Reply-To: <40D487EA-018C-48DD-81CA-80E11EC12042@major-k.de>
References: <40D487EA-018C-48DD-81CA-80E11EC12042@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <0346CE66-3B95-42C7-AE27-D0AE9E419855@milby7.com>

Change the app name or version string info.  You have an app with the same name and an earlier version already on the device.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 11, 2022, at 6:39 AM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> Am 11.08.2022 um 12:30 schrieb Klaus major-k via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I just tested an older stack on my Android device, everything is fine.
>> Then I created a new stack for a little stack and always get this error
>> when selecting "Test" in the LC dev menu.
>> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/j89i1ewpxh5ixny/stream_install_failed.png?dl=0>
>> 
>> Only script in that stack:
>> ------------------------
>> on preopenstack
>>  set the fullscreenmode of this stack to "showall"
>> end preopenstack
>> 
>> ## And a button:
>> on mouseUp
>> ## Need to know if that is returning anything or giving an error or whatever...
>> answer iphonesafeareainsets()
>> end mouseUp
>> ------------------------
>> If I switch back to the other stack, I can upload and test, but not with this new stack!?
>> 
>> Any hints? Thanks!
> 
> of course everyting is set up correctly in the "Stanalone Application Settings"!
> 
> --
> Klaus Major
> https://www.major-k.de
> https://www.major-k.de/bass
> klaus at major-k.de
> 
> 
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From klaus at major-k.de  Thu Aug 11 08:14:56 2022
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 14:14:56 +0200
Subject: Fail to test new stack on Android device
In-Reply-To: <0346CE66-3B95-42C7-AE27-D0AE9E419855@milby7.com>
References: <40D487EA-018C-48DD-81CA-80E11EC12042@major-k.de>
 <0346CE66-3B95-42C7-AE27-D0AE9E419855@milby7.com>
Message-ID: <7B6A1003-2782-41CA-B459-8522FCC32F92@major-k.de>

Hi Brian,

> Am 11.08.2022 um 13:30 schrieb Brian Milby via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Change the app name or version string info.  You have an app with the same name and an earlier version already on the device.

thanks, will try that!

> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 11, 2022, at 6:39 AM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> Am 11.08.2022 um 12:30 schrieb Klaus major-k via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I just tested an older stack on my Android device, everything is fine.
>>> Then I created a new stack for a little stack and always get this error
>>> when selecting "Test" in the LC dev menu.
>>> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/j89i1ewpxh5ixny/stream_install_failed.png?dl=0>
>>> ...

Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
https://www.major-k.de
https://www.major-k.de/bass
klaus at major-k.de



From klaus at major-k.de  Thu Aug 11 08:44:31 2022
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 14:44:31 +0200
Subject: iPhoneSafeAreaInsets() and Android
In-Reply-To: <B5C48FAE-3E91-45A6-8156-81B19F4A8395@major-k.de>
References: <B5C48FAE-3E91-45A6-8156-81B19F4A8395@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <B3E98114-D658-41ED-82BA-97022DFF83B6@major-k.de>

Hi all,

> Am 15.07.2022 um 13:14 schrieb Klaus major-k via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Hi friends,
> 
> quick question, cannot test it myself in the moment.
> 
> Will -> iPhoneSafeAreaInsets() 
> a. work or 
> b. throw an error when being used on Android?
> 
> If a. I presume it will return "the screenrect" without any "notches".
> Does it?
> 
> If b. then I will to check "if the platform = "iphone"..."
> 
> Thanks for any quick answer!

FYI, iPhoneSafeAreaInsets() returns EMPTY on Android.
Will file an enhancement request that is will return at least the screenrect on Android,
so there is no need for a PLATFORM check. 

We already need too much of them. 8-)


Best

Klaus

--
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https://www.major-k.de
https://www.major-k.de/bass
klaus at major-k.de



From klaus at major-k.de  Thu Aug 11 08:48:34 2022
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 14:48:34 +0200
Subject: iPhoneSafeAreaInsets() and Android
In-Reply-To: <B3E98114-D658-41ED-82BA-97022DFF83B6@major-k.de>
References: <B5C48FAE-3E91-45A6-8156-81B19F4A8395@major-k.de>
 <B3E98114-D658-41ED-82BA-97022DFF83B6@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <990DA21D-3D55-4BF4-9D9E-3059695FBBC6@major-k.de>

Hi all,

> Am 11.08.2022 um 14:44 schrieb Klaus major-k via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> Hi all,
>> Am 15.07.2022 um 13:14 schrieb Klaus major-k via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>> Hi friends,
>> quick question, cannot test it myself in the moment.
>> Will -> iPhoneSafeAreaInsets() 
>> a. work or 
>> b. throw an error when being used on Android?
>> If a. I presume it will return "the screenrect" without any "notches".
>> Does it?
>> If b. then I will to check "if the platform = "iphone"..."
>> Thanks for any quick answer!
> FYI, iPhoneSafeAreaInsets() returns EMPTY on Android.
> Will file an enhancement request that is will return at least the screenrect on Android,
> so there is no need for a PLATFORM check. 

and done: <https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23872>


Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
https://www.major-k.de
https://www.major-k.de/bass
klaus at major-k.de



From tom at makeshyft.com  Thu Aug 11 11:16:58 2022
From: tom at makeshyft.com (Tom Glod)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 11:16:58 -0400
Subject: Livecode SQLite
Message-ID: <CAPzQJL+u4Ct1sMqZ0Qrb77g4PsY8EfzLzy_vt8fHxhcHdWkQ4g@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Folks,

I have a question about Livecode's SQLite implementation.

Looking at the official SQLite specs there seem to be json related
functions.

https://www.sqlite.org/json1.html

but none of them seem to work using Livecode's driver.
I was under the impression we had a full implementation

I was interested in implementing a relatively new feature where you can
index and query json documents and read the keys directly.

https://dgl.cx/2020/06/sqlite-json-support

I guess, if this is true, is there any documentation about which features
of sqlite are implemented and which are not?

TIA,
-- 
Tom Glod

From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Aug 11 11:27:21 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 15:27:21 +0000
Subject: iPhoneSafeAreaInsets() and Android
In-Reply-To: <B3E98114-D658-41ED-82BA-97022DFF83B6@major-k.de>
References: <B5C48FAE-3E91-45A6-8156-81B19F4A8395@major-k.de>
 <B3E98114-D658-41ED-82BA-97022DFF83B6@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <83E72EFC-F56E-4464-95C7-2B8C030383AB@iotecdigital.com>

It seems to me, someone who has done zero mobile development, that this function has no meaning on an android, and should therefore return empty to avoid unanticipated runtime errors. 

There should be however a function to get the screen rects of an android. Does the effective working screenrect do it for you? 

I see that your goal is to try and avoid platform checks, but iOS and Android seem to be such diverse OS platforms that checks are unavoidable. There are a TON of commands and functions beginning with iPhone. I stopped counting at 30 and I wasn't half way through. If all of these functions are to equivalent values for the Android OS, we'd be waiting 5 years for the enhancements. 

Just my ignorant 2¢

Bob S


> On Aug 11, 2022, at 05:44 , Klaus major-k via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> iPhoneSafeAreaInsets() returns EMPTY on Android


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Aug 11 11:32:10 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 15:32:10 +0000
Subject: Email via IMAP with HTML body from a template
In-Reply-To: <946CE30C-C30E-41EB-B407-8A896FC9508D@techstrategies.com.au>
References: <946CE30C-C30E-41EB-B407-8A896FC9508D@techstrategies.com.au>
Message-ID: <C191B734-9AF3-4DB9-9D68-7E7AB3B9B18B@iotecdigital.com>

I have to say, I've learned more about programming just from being a member of this list, than any book on the suject. Admittedly, I've read very few, as is manifestly evident when going back and re-reading my code. :-)

Bob S


> On Aug 10, 2022, at 23:23 , Charles Warwick via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Sorry, the last line of the replacement code should have been:
> 
> put mimeEncodeAsMIMEMultipartDocument(tContent, “alernative”) into tBody
> 
> (It was missing the "into tBody" at the end of the line)
> 
>> On 11 Aug 2022, at 4:17 pm, Charles Warwick <charles at techstrategies.com.au> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Sean,
>> 
>> After reading your second e-mail, I see that you don't want to use mimeEncodeFieldAsMIMEMultipartDocument to generate the HTML version of the e-mail body from a field as it does in that sample stack.
>> 
>> If you want to create your own HTML and plain text versions of the e-mail body, you can still use that sample stack.  Simply replace the following line:
>> 
>> put mimeEncodeFieldAsMIMEMultipartDocument(the long id of field "email_message") into tBody
>> 
>> With something like this:
>> 
>> put “Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8” & crlf into tHeadersPlain
>> put “Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable” after tHeadersPlain
>> put “<Plain Text Version Here>” into tBodyPlain
>> put tHeadersPlain & crlf & crlf & \
>> mimeEncodeForMIMETransfer(tBodyPlain, “quoted-printable”) into tContent[1]
>> 
>> put “Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8” & crlf into tHeadersHTML
>> put “Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable” after tHeadersHTML
>> put “<HTML Version Here>” into tBodyHTML
>> put tHeadersHTML & crlf & crlf & \
>> mimeEncodeForMIMETransfer(tBodyHTML, “quoted-printable”) into tContent[2]
>> 
>> put mimeEncodeAsMIMEMultipartDocument(tContent, “alernative”)
>> 
>> Hope that helps,
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Charles
>> 
>>> On 11 Aug 2022, at 3:46 pm, Charles Warwick <charles at techstrategies.com.au> wrote:
>>> Hi Sean,
>>> There is a sample stack on my website for sending an e-mail with an attachment using the MIME library here:
>>> https://downloads.techstrategies.com.au/tsnet/smtpexample.livecode
>>> Does that help at all,
>>> Regards,
>>> Charles
>>>>> On 11 Aug 2022, at 2:39 pm, Tom Glod via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> Sean,
>>>> Try this ..
>>>> edit the script of stack "com.livecode.library.mime"
>>>> there seems to be some documentation there that may help.
>>>> I also found this
>>>> https://livecode.fandom.com/wiki/MimeEncodeAsMIMEMultipartDocument
>>>> Is that your comment? :)
>>>> Hope that helps a bit.
>>>>> On Wed, Aug 10, 2022 at 11:46 PM Sean Cole via use-livecode <
>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> I'm struggling with this still. It's been years (since before Dec 2020) and
>>>>> I just can't get my head around it.
>>>>> I have a template created in Dreamweaver that is a simple bit of HTML body
>>>>> with CSS styling embedded (https://pidigital.co.uk/DeepDiveReport.html).
>>>>> There is also a pdf that needs to be attached.
>>>>> How do I use MimeEncodeAsMIMEMultipartDocument to make it ready to send via
>>>>> tsNetSmtpSync?
>>>>> There are zero tutorials and the dictionary is devoid of any useful
>>>>> information on how to use it. Google turned up nothing. In my previous
>>>>> request back in 2020, Monte, the author of the MIME library, had only
>>>>> referred me on to the RSC docs for MIME which is like looking for a straw
>>>>> in a needle stack. When I asked at one of the 'Firesides' I was told just
>>>>> to use a template and send it. But to send it, it needs to be encoded and
>>>>> that's the bit that is undocumented anywhere.
>>>>> Any help appreciated.
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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From klaus at major-k.de  Thu Aug 11 11:35:45 2022
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 17:35:45 +0200
Subject: iPhoneSafeAreaInsets() and Android
In-Reply-To: <83E72EFC-F56E-4464-95C7-2B8C030383AB@iotecdigital.com>
References: <B5C48FAE-3E91-45A6-8156-81B19F4A8395@major-k.de>
 <B3E98114-D658-41ED-82BA-97022DFF83B6@major-k.de>
 <83E72EFC-F56E-4464-95C7-2B8C030383AB@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <4D3B1C7A-D04A-4B0D-A6A1-BD071899EBA8@major-k.de>

Hi Bob,

> Am 11.08.2022 um 17:27 schrieb Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> It seems to me, someone who has done zero mobile development, that this function has no meaning on an android, and should therefore return empty to avoid unanticipated runtime errors. There should be however a function to get the screen rects of an android. Does the effective working screenrect do it for you? 

Sure, but that is not the problem.

> I see that your goal is to try and avoid platform checks,

Yep, that is the goal, lazy moi! :-)

> but iOS and Android seem to be such diverse OS platforms that checks are unavoidable. There are a TON of commands and functions beginning with iPhone.

Yes, and I still naively think that the IDE should just ignore these, so "if the platform = "mobile..." would not be neccessary anymore. 8-)

> I stopped counting at 30 and I wasn't half way through. If all of these functions are to equivalent values for the Android OS, we'd be waiting 5 years for the enhancements. 
> Just my ignorant 2¢
> 
> Bob S
> 
> iPhoneSafeAreaInsets() returns EMPTY on Android

Best

Klaus
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https://www.major-k.de/bass
klaus at major-k.de



From sean at pidigital.co.uk  Thu Aug 11 11:36:56 2022
From: sean at pidigital.co.uk (Pi Digital)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 16:36:56 +0100
Subject: Livecode SQLite
In-Reply-To: <CAPzQJL+u4Ct1sMqZ0Qrb77g4PsY8EfzLzy_vt8fHxhcHdWkQ4g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPzQJL+u4Ct1sMqZ0Qrb77g4PsY8EfzLzy_vt8fHxhcHdWkQ4g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1EEF82C3-B260-476E-9D16-57840C5B0AE3@pidigital.co.uk>

How was you accessing the database? Is it locally based? 

The ones I access are stored on a web host server with a cPanel. I have my own php I POST my sql request to and receive JSON back. I then use JSONtoArray or, recommended, JsonImport encapsulated in a ‘try’ structure to convert the data. 

To tell the database to respond with json is not done at the LC end but must either be set up in the DB itself or, as in my case, whatever is the medium for the data, PHP for me. 

Sean Cole
Pi Digital Productions Ltd

eMail Ts & Cs


> On 11 Aug 2022, at 16:16, Tom Glod via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Folks,
> 
> I have a question about Livecode's SQLite implementation.
> 
> Looking at the official SQLite specs there seem to be json related
> functions.
> 
> https://www.sqlite.org/json1.html
> 
> but none of them seem to work using Livecode's driver.
> I was under the impression we had a full implementation
> 
> I was interested in implementing a relatively new feature where you can
> index and query json documents and read the keys directly.
> 
> https://dgl.cx/2020/06/sqlite-json-support
> 
> I guess, if this is true, is there any documentation about which features
> of sqlite are implemented and which are not?
> 
> TIA,
> -- 
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From sean at pidigital.co.uk  Thu Aug 11 11:38:36 2022
From: sean at pidigital.co.uk (Pi Digital)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 16:38:36 +0100
Subject: Email via IMAP with HTML body from a template
In-Reply-To: <946CE30C-C30E-41EB-B407-8A896FC9508D@techstrategies.com.au>
References: <946CE30C-C30E-41EB-B407-8A896FC9508D@techstrategies.com.au>
Message-ID: <26CAE311-2EED-4580-9E55-F42F491E51AE@pidigital.co.uk>

Thanks Charles

I think that’s going to work. I’m going to do some testing and let you know how I get on. 

Sean

> On 11 Aug 2022, at 07:23, Charles Warwick via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Sorry, the last line of the replacement code should have been:
> 
> put mimeEncodeAsMIMEMultipartDocument(tContent, “alernative”) into tBody
> 
> (It was missing the "into tBody" at the end of the line)
> 
>> On 11 Aug 2022, at 4:17 pm, Charles Warwick <charles at techstrategies.com.au> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Sean,
>> 
>> After reading your second e-mail, I see that you don't want to use mimeEncodeFieldAsMIMEMultipartDocument to generate the HTML version of the e-mail body from a field as it does in that sample stack.
>> 
>> If you want to create your own HTML and plain text versions of the e-mail body, you can still use that sample stack.  Simply replace the following line:
>> 
>> put mimeEncodeFieldAsMIMEMultipartDocument(the long id of field "email_message") into tBody
>> 
>> With something like this:
>> 
>> put “Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8” & crlf into tHeadersPlain
>> put “Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable” after tHeadersPlain
>> put “<Plain Text Version Here>” into tBodyPlain
>> put tHeadersPlain & crlf & crlf & \
>> mimeEncodeForMIMETransfer(tBodyPlain, “quoted-printable”) into tContent[1]
>> 
>> put “Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8” & crlf into tHeadersHTML
>> put “Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable” after tHeadersHTML
>> put “<HTML Version Here>” into tBodyHTML
>> put tHeadersHTML & crlf & crlf & \
>> mimeEncodeForMIMETransfer(tBodyHTML, “quoted-printable”) into tContent[2]
>> 
>> put mimeEncodeAsMIMEMultipartDocument(tContent, “alernative”)
>> 
>> Hope that helps,
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Charles
>> 
>>>> On 11 Aug 2022, at 3:46 pm, Charles Warwick <charles at techstrategies.com.au> wrote:
>>> Hi Sean,
>>> There is a sample stack on my website for sending an e-mail with an attachment using the MIME library here:
>>> https://downloads.techstrategies.com.au/tsnet/smtpexample.livecode
>>> Does that help at all,
>>> Regards,
>>> Charles
>>>>> On 11 Aug 2022, at 2:39 pm, Tom Glod via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> Sean,
>>>> Try this ..
>>>> edit the script of stack "com.livecode.library.mime"
>>>> there seems to be some documentation there that may help.
>>>> I also found this
>>>> https://livecode.fandom.com/wiki/MimeEncodeAsMIMEMultipartDocument
>>>> Is that your comment? :)
>>>> Hope that helps a bit.
>>>>> On Wed, Aug 10, 2022 at 11:46 PM Sean Cole via use-livecode <
>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> I'm struggling with this still. It's been years (since before Dec 2020) and
>>>>> I just can't get my head around it.
>>>>> I have a template created in Dreamweaver that is a simple bit of HTML body
>>>>> with CSS styling embedded (https://pidigital.co.uk/DeepDiveReport.html).
>>>>> There is also a pdf that needs to be attached.
>>>>> How do I use MimeEncodeAsMIMEMultipartDocument to make it ready to send via
>>>>> tsNetSmtpSync?
>>>>> There are zero tutorials and the dictionary is devoid of any useful
>>>>> information on how to use it. Google turned up nothing. In my previous
>>>>> request back in 2020, Monte, the author of the MIME library, had only
>>>>> referred me on to the RSC docs for MIME which is like looking for a straw
>>>>> in a needle stack. When I asked at one of the 'Firesides' I was told just
>>>>> to use a template and send it. But to send it, it needs to be encoded and
>>>>> that's the bit that is undocumented anywhere.
>>>>> Any help appreciated.
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>>>> subscription preferences:
>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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From paul at researchware.com  Thu Aug 11 11:57:05 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 11:57:05 -0400
Subject: Datagrid internal error
In-Reply-To: <CAHg3tG9MWSvRO1ZdSk-R_4gYL+XyX2T34chW1y-KARxEkDccUQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2981919d-4756-8d31-0a95-d28fdca6b445@researchware.com>
 <60e95862-61d7-4a07-2423-b77b10afc68f@researchware.com>
 <005401d8ab4d$bbd48c10$337da430$@net>
 <CAHg3tG9MWSvRO1ZdSk-R_4gYL+XyX2T34chW1y-KARxEkDccUQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5bbd8550-1ec3-9706-d6a8-38c7e0baf060@researchware.com>

On 8/10/2022 5:02 PM, Trevor DeVore via use-livecode wrote:
> 32,767 is the max for width as well. If there are enough columns it is
> possible that the DataGrid is rendering a group that exceeds this limit and
> hence the error. The DataGrid works around the limit when rendering rows,
> but not when rendering columns.
>
> I suppose a quick test would be to create a DataGrid with 330 columns that
> are at least 100 pixels wide and see if you get the same error.
>

So I created 2 test stacks with a Datagrid and a button to set the 
number of columns and populate a row of data. One stack I did in 
Livecode 4.6.4 (the oldest I have) and one I built in Livecode 9.6.8 to 
see if there were differences in the handling of the error condition 
between versions of the Datagrid object.

[Note: Some of the Datagrids in our app are from LC 4.6.4 and we've 
never removed them and replaced them with newer versions and I don't 
believe Livecode does anything to automatically update the Datagrid 
objects in an old stack when opened in a new version of Livecode]

Under LC464, trying to create a number of columns with default widths 
that would exceed the 32,767 pixel width limit of the group object 
(using 330 columns with a default width of 100px or 33,000 pixels) produces:

1) A blank header (no columns)
2) Visible column for data, where only the visible columns of the first 
row (8 columns) are populated with data and when you scroll to the 
right, all remaining column of the 1st row of data are empty. The grid 
is scrollable horizontally to what looks to be around 320-330 columns.

Using 320 columns, works as expected. 325 works; 327 works. 328 only 
produces 327 columns in the header with 327 values for data in the first 
row. 329 produces a header with 329 columns and no data is rendered in 
the 1st row.

Under LC968, the LC968 test version of this with 330 columns produces:

1) Columns headers 1 to 8 (the header that are the visible width of the 
Datagrid)
2) No data is rendered and the grid is not scrollable.

Using 320 columns, works as expected. 325 works. 327 works. 328 produces 
327 columns in the header and no data in the first row. 329 is the same 
as 330 (only 8 visible column headers and no data and no scrolling).

So, the results are subtly different from Datagrids from LC4.6.4 and 
Datagrids from LC9.6.8, but both fail to do what a user would expect 
without any visible errors.

However, having the number of columns exceed the width of a Livecode 
group object in pixels does not seem to be the source of the error I am 
trying to track down which was:

Line 139 set the dgProp["columns"] of grp "rwMatrixObj_DataGrid" to 
tColumnNames

tColumnNames is a variable containing a list of text lines that are 
customer entered column names, so they could be ANYTHING (up to 255 
chars, no control characters, including DEL (127)) that a user could 
type or paste into a field, including words in any language using Unicode.

As the executionContexts data does not contain the actual values of the 
variable tColumnNames when the error occurs AND (for reasons) I can not 
get the data from the customer, does ANYONE have any idea what 
tColumnNames might contain that could produce the error(s) show below?

Technical information:
Property: value is not a number: (Line 11, column 1)
Object: can't set object property: (Line 11, column 5)
set: can't set property: (Line 11, column 1)
Handler: error in statement: LayoutControl (Line 11, column 1)
Object ID: stack "RevDataGridLibraryBehaviorsDefaultHeaderButtonBehavior"
-
repeat: error in statement: (Line 5066, column 1)
Handler: error in statement: _table.ResizeHeaders (Line 5052, column 1)
Object ID: stack "RevDataGridLibraryBehaviorsDataGridButtonBehavior"
-
Handler: error in statement: _table.ResizeColumns (Line 4967, column 1)
Object ID: stack "RevDataGridLibraryBehaviorsDataGridButtonBehavior"
-
Handler: error in statement: _table.CreateColumns (Line 4737, column 1)
Object ID: stack "RevDataGridLibraryBehaviorsDataGridButtonBehavior"
-
Handler: error in statement: _table.RegenerateColumns (Line 4538, column 1)
Object ID: stack "RevDataGridLibraryBehaviorsDataGridButtonBehavior"
-
switch: error in statement: (Line 6150, column 1)
Handler: error in statement: dgProps (Line 5553, column 1)
Object ID: stack "RevDataGridLibraryBehaviorsDataGridButtonBehavior"
-
set: can't set property: (Line 5529, column 1)
Handler: error in statement: dgProp (Line 5529, column 1)
Object ID: stack "RevDataGridLibraryBehaviorsDataGridButtonBehavior"
-
set: can't set property: (Line 139, column 1)
if-then: error in statement: (Line 139, column 1)
Handler: error in statement: populateMe (Line 138, column 1)
Object: group "Table" of card "FrequencyReport" of stack "FreqReport.rwtl"
Object ID: group id 1162 of card id 1002 of stack 
"/Applications/HyperRESEARCH 4.5.4/Components/Tools/FreqReport.rwtl"


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Aug 11 12:22:53 2022
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 11:22:53 -0500
Subject: iPhoneSafeAreaInsets() and Android
In-Reply-To: <83E72EFC-F56E-4464-95C7-2B8C030383AB@iotecdigital.com>
References: <B5C48FAE-3E91-45A6-8156-81B19F4A8395@major-k.de>
 <B3E98114-D658-41ED-82BA-97022DFF83B6@major-k.de>
 <83E72EFC-F56E-4464-95C7-2B8C030383AB@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <1828db73f48.27a5.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>

Actually some Android phones have notches to imitate iPhones when Apple 
first introduced that. It wasn't very popular and most Android phones now 
use punch holes, but those also take up a bit of space, though not much.

--
Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
On August 11, 2022 10:29:29 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> It seems to me, someone who has done zero mobile development, that this 
> function has no meaning on an android, and should therefore return empty to 
> avoid unanticipated runtime errors.
>
> There should be however a function to get the screen rects of an android. 
> Does the effective working screenrect do it for you?
>
> I see that your goal is to try and avoid platform checks, but iOS and 
> Android seem to be such diverse OS platforms that checks are unavoidable. 
> There are a TON of commands and functions beginning with iPhone. I stopped 
> counting at 30 and I wasn't half way through. If all of these functions are 
> to equivalent values for the Android OS, we'd be waiting 5 years for the 
> enhancements.
>
> Just my ignorant 2
>
> Bob S
>
>
>> On Aug 11, 2022, at 05:44 , Klaus major-k via use-livecode 
>> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> iPhoneSafeAreaInsets() returns EMPTY on Android
>
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From paul at researchware.com  Thu Aug 11 12:23:48 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 12:23:48 -0400
Subject: Datagrid and new Summer Bundle table/grid widgets
Message-ID: <0e08a5fa-d55b-15cd-d576-9654ddc9119c@researchware.com>

To anyone with the Summer Bundle:

The Datagrid object has a practical limit on the number of columns that 
I just reported as https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23875
(about 327 columns at a default column width of 100px due to the Group 
objects 32767px width limit)

Do any of the table/grid widgets in the Summer Bundle allow going beyond 
this limit? Could someone with a Summer Bundle please test the 
table/grid widgets. I have included the script I populate the column 
names and a first row of data in a Datagrid with below. I'd just like to 
know whether any of the new table widgets can exceed thsi Datagrid 
limit. Thank you to anyone who can spare the time to test in advance.

on mouseUp pMouseButton
   local tColumnNames, tArray
   ask "Number of columns?"
   if it is empty then exit mouseUp
   --
   repeat with i=1 to it
     set cursor to busy
     put "Column"&&i into tColumnName
     put tColumnName into line i of tColumnNames
     put i into tArray[1][tColumnName]
   end repeat
   --
   set cursor to watch
   set the dgData of group "Table" to tArray -- replace this line and 
the nest with code for the new widget
   set the dgProp["columns"] of group "Table" to tColumnNames
   beep 3
end mouseUp


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Aug 11 12:42:44 2022
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 11:42:44 -0500
Subject: Fail to test new stack on Android device
In-Reply-To: <06D69988-8C8D-44AC-82A0-DAF8493878C4@major-k.de>
References: <06D69988-8C8D-44AC-82A0-DAF8493878C4@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <1828dc96ba0.27a5.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>

Brian was right, but it's the build number that matters rather than the 
version number. You can either increase it, or delete the existing app on 
the phone before installing the other one.

--
Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
On August 11, 2022 5:31:36 AM Klaus major-k via use-livecode 
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I just tested an older stack on my Android device, everything is fine.
> Then I created a new stack for a little stack and always get this error
> when selecting "Test" in the LC dev menu.
> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/j89i1ewpxh5ixny/stream_install_failed.png?dl=0>
>
> Only script in that stack:
> ------------------------
> on preopenstack
>   set the fullscreenmode of this stack to "showall"
> end preopenstack
>
> ## And a button:
> on mouseUp
>  ## Need to know if that is returning anything or giving an error or whatever...
>  answer iphonesafeareainsets()
> end mouseUp
> ------------------------
> If I switch back to the other stack, I can upload and test, but not with 
> this new stack!?
>
> Any hints? Thanks!
>
>
> Best
>
> Klaus
>
> --
> Klaus Major
> https://www.major-k.de
> https://www.major-k.de/bass
> klaus at major-k.de
>
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From klaus at major-k.de  Thu Aug 11 12:45:14 2022
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 18:45:14 +0200
Subject: Fail to test new stack on Android device
In-Reply-To: <1828dc96ba0.27a5.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <06D69988-8C8D-44AC-82A0-DAF8493878C4@major-k.de>
 <1828dc96ba0.27a5.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <6B884484-6AF5-4185-B0EB-7B4F2EB388F2@major-k.de>

Hi Jaques and Brian,

> Am 11.08.2022 um 18:42 schrieb J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Brian was right, but it's the build number that matters rather than the version number. You can either increase it, or delete the existing app on the phone before installing the other one.

yep, that worked!
Always forget about this when I just want to do a quick test. 8-)

> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> On August 11, 2022 5:31:36 AM Klaus major-k via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I just tested an older stack on my Android device, everything is fine.
>> Then I created a new stack for a little stack and always get this error
>> when selecting "Test" in the LC dev menu.
>> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/j89i1ewpxh5ixny/stream_install_failed.png?dl=0>
>> 
>> Only script in that stack:
>> ------------------------
>> on preopenstack
>>  set the fullscreenmode of this stack to "showall"
>> end preopenstack
>> 
>> ## And a button:
>> on mouseUp
>> ## Need to know if that is returning anything or giving an error or whatever...
>> answer iphonesafeareainsets()
>> end mouseUp
>> ------------------------
>> If I switch back to the other stack, I can upload and test, but not with this new stack!?
>> 
>> Any hints? Thanks!

Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
https://www.major-k.de
https://www.major-k.de/bass
klaus at major-k.de



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Aug 11 14:13:54 2022
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 13:13:54 -0500
Subject: iPhoneSafeAreaInsets() and Android
In-Reply-To: <B3E98114-D658-41ED-82BA-97022DFF83B6@major-k.de>
References: <B5C48FAE-3E91-45A6-8156-81B19F4A8395@major-k.de>
 <B3E98114-D658-41ED-82BA-97022DFF83B6@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <645efb9c-e58f-0197-60b6-345314c7622d@hyperactivesw.com>

On 8/11/22 7:44 AM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote:
> FYI, iPhoneSafeAreaInsets() returns EMPTY on Android.

It looks like it's for iOS only, Android isn't listed in the dictionary reference. You'll 
probably need to use the working screenrect on Android.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From klaus at major-k.de  Thu Aug 11 14:17:26 2022
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 20:17:26 +0200
Subject: iPhoneSafeAreaInsets() and Android
In-Reply-To: <645efb9c-e58f-0197-60b6-345314c7622d@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <B5C48FAE-3E91-45A6-8156-81B19F4A8395@major-k.de>
 <B3E98114-D658-41ED-82BA-97022DFF83B6@major-k.de>
 <645efb9c-e58f-0197-60b6-345314c7622d@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <7217078D-859C-443D-AF90-1D189299CD37@major-k.de>

Hi Jaques,

> Am 11.08.2022 um 20:13 schrieb J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> On 8/11/22 7:44 AM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote:
>> FYI, iPhoneSafeAreaInsets() returns EMPTY on Android.
> 
> It looks like it's for iOS only, Android isn't listed in the dictionary reference. You'll probably need to use the working screenrect on Android.

yes, I just wanted to see if it will throw an error on Android.
It doesn't. :-)

> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com

Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
https://www.major-k.de
https://www.major-k.de/bass
klaus at major-k.de



From tom at makeshyft.com  Thu Aug 11 17:30:43 2022
From: tom at makeshyft.com (Tom Glod)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 17:30:43 -0400
Subject: Livecode SQLite
In-Reply-To: <1EEF82C3-B260-476E-9D16-57840C5B0AE3@pidigital.co.uk>
References: <CAPzQJL+u4Ct1sMqZ0Qrb77g4PsY8EfzLzy_vt8fHxhcHdWkQ4g@mail.gmail.com>
 <1EEF82C3-B260-476E-9D16-57840C5B0AE3@pidigital.co.uk>
Message-ID: <CAPzQJL+zO=rs53AjUeWcULWKWSku7PY++bYywXNDed+ftETaOQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Sean,

The SQLite db i want to read json fields from is local.  I know there are
lots of workarounds.

But in link I provided, the premise was using sqlite function to index and
read a jason document's field.

like so:

sqlite> insert into t values(json('{"d":"42"}'));
sqlite> select * from t WHERE d = 42;
{"d":"42"}|42

Thanks Sean, I'm happy you found the help you needed with your email
problem.

On Thu, Aug 11, 2022 at 11:37 AM Pi Digital via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> How was you accessing the database? Is it locally based?
>
> The ones I access are stored on a web host server with a cPanel. I have my
> own php I POST my sql request to and receive JSON back. I then use
> JSONtoArray or, recommended, JsonImport encapsulated in a ‘try’ structure
> to convert the data.
>
> To tell the database to respond with json is not done at the LC end but
> must either be set up in the DB itself or, as in my case, whatever is the
> medium for the data, PHP for me.
>
> Sean Cole
> Pi Digital Productions Ltd
>
> eMail Ts & Cs
>
>
> > On 11 Aug 2022, at 16:16, Tom Glod via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Folks,
> >
> > I have a question about Livecode's SQLite implementation.
> >
> > Looking at the official SQLite specs there seem to be json related
> > functions.
> >
> > https://www.sqlite.org/json1.html
> >
> > but none of them seem to work using Livecode's driver.
> > I was under the impression we had a full implementation
> >
> > I was interested in implementing a relatively new feature where you can
> > index and query json documents and read the keys directly.
> >
> > https://dgl.cx/2020/06/sqlite-json-support
> >
> > I guess, if this is true, is there any documentation about which features
> > of sqlite are implemented and which are not?
> >
> > TIA,
> > --
> > Tom Glod
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From dan at clearvisiontech.com  Thu Aug 11 19:27:52 2022
From: dan at clearvisiontech.com (Dan Friedman)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 23:27:52 +0000
Subject: mobileControl placeholderText?
Message-ID: <4CD9D73F-02F7-44BC-BF7F-E71980DBBFB1@clearvisiontech.com>

Is there a method to add placeholderText to a native mobile control field?   So, if the fields' text is empty, it will show a string in gray.   Like a Password field that when empty displays "Enter password here".

Dan


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Aug 11 19:42:02 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 23:42:02 +0000
Subject: mobileControl placeholderText?
In-Reply-To: <4CD9D73F-02F7-44BC-BF7F-E71980DBBFB1@clearvisiontech.com>
References: <4CD9D73F-02F7-44BC-BF7F-E71980DBBFB1@clearvisiontech.com>
Message-ID: <E259CCF4-72D7-4B50-B4FC-1FE84A8E18B2@iotecdigital.com>

I see a similar thing when I have a pulldown menu without a label. It will display the menu button name by default. 

What I will do then is set the label to some prompt or else a space. It's pretty annoying to have to do that though. 

Bob S


> On Aug 11, 2022, at 16:27 , Dan Friedman via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Is there a method to add placeholderText to a native mobile control field?   So, if the fields' text is empty, it will show a string in gray.   Like a Password field that when empty displays "Enter password here".
> 
> Dan



From phil at pdslabs.net  Thu Aug 11 21:35:18 2022
From: phil at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 18:35:18 -0700
Subject: Images and arrays...
In-Reply-To: <ea9b3564-6af6-1f28-9a66-5eadad3b91ec@researchware.com>
References: <ea9b3564-6af6-1f28-9a66-5eadad3b91ec@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <a6f4cb5c-d5cc-a0d1-3c01-0d951a80b1c8@pdslabs.net>

Hi Paul, sorry I'm so late to the party.

I think the best you can do is to capture & then reuse all the 
properties of the target image.

I created a stack and imported an image. Then I ran this button script 
to make an exact replica of image 1. It worked:

    on mouseUp
         put the properties of img 1 into tPropsA -- could be saved for
    later use
         lock screen
         create image
         set the properties of img 2 to tPropsA
         set the left of img 2 to the right of img 1 + 30
         unlock screen
    end mouseUp

Hope this helps -
Phil Davis



On 7/5/22 2:20 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
> I am drawing a blank:
>
> If I have the following code:
>
>                   export snapshot from rect tRect of player 
> "mediaConvert" of stack "libHrAPI" to tImage as PNG
>                   put tImage into pRefArray[tRef]
>
> The actual image (not a reference, such as a long ID) is placed in the 
> tRefArray[tRef] array element
>
> However, if I have a variable tImageID that contains a reference to an 
> image such as
>
> image id 10328 of card id 10001 of stack "X"
>
> How do I get that actual Image stored in the array?
>
> put tImageID into pRefArray[tRef] -- results in the array element 
> storing the long ID
>
> put (tImageID) into pRefArray[tRef] -- also results in the array 
> element storing the long ID. I thought the () might for the long ID to 
> be evaluated to an actual image
>
>
>
>
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From mark at livecode.com  Fri Aug 12 00:56:51 2022
From: mark at livecode.com (Mark Waddingham)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2022 05:56:51 +0100
Subject: Livecode SQLite
In-Reply-To: <CAPzQJL+u4Ct1sMqZ0Qrb77g4PsY8EfzLzy_vt8fHxhcHdWkQ4g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPzQJL+u4Ct1sMqZ0Qrb77g4PsY8EfzLzy_vt8fHxhcHdWkQ4g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <fd399822a5fdad9e930b14a62ac12b92@livecode.com>

On 2022-08-11 16:16, Tom Glod via use-livecode wrote:
> I was interested in implementing a relatively new feature where you can
> index and query json documents and read the keys directly.
> 
> https://dgl.cx/2020/06/sqlite-json-support
> 
> I guess, if this is true, is there any documentation about which 
> features
> of sqlite are implemented and which are not?

The version of SQLite is currently 3.34 built with FTS3, 
FTS3_PARANTHESIS, FTS4, FTS5, RTREE and JSON1 options.

So the JSON features (at least as far as those included in 3.34) should 
be included - perhaps the queries you are trying rely on features 
(perhaps not JSON related) included in more recent versions?

If you file a bug report with what examples of what isn't working, then 
we'll look into updating to the latest version of the library.

Warmest Regards,

Mark.

-- 
Mark Waddingham ~ mark at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
LiveCode: Everyone can create apps


From selander at tkf.att.ne.jp  Fri Aug 12 07:27:46 2022
From: selander at tkf.att.ne.jp (Tim Selander)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2022 20:27:46 +0900
Subject: Server globals
Message-ID: <fdf1b73b-4f0e-7219-f1a6-95550e0f8a0c@tkf.att.ne.jp>

As always, appreciate everyone's help.

Have made several little projects using LC Server on the 
on-rev.com host. For the first time, I would like a global 
variable -- that is a variable that would retain it's value even 
if the page is re-loaded. Or if a user goes to another .lc 
page/file in the domain.

All my playing around, and Googling around, has been for nought. 
Is there a way to hang on to a bit of data was you move around 
pages in the same domain?

Thanks.

Tim Selander
Tokyo, Japan


From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Fri Aug 12 08:26:45 2022
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2022 14:26:45 +0200
Subject: Server globals
In-Reply-To: <fdf1b73b-4f0e-7219-f1a6-95550e0f8a0c@tkf.att.ne.jp>
References: <fdf1b73b-4f0e-7219-f1a6-95550e0f8a0c@tkf.att.ne.jp>
Message-ID: <C19B916C-3A6C-42AF-9E91-E269DA6717BF@m-r-d.de>

Hi Tim,

does the variable have a user specific value or a value, that changes from time to time, but is the same for all users?

I've done something some time ago and used a text file on the server which stored that value. In my case the value was not user specific so it was an easy task.


If the variable is user specific, why don't you use a  cookies for that? That will grant that the value is available  at all pages in the same domain.

Regards,
Matthias


> Am 12.08.2022 um 13:27 schrieb Tim Selander via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> As always, appreciate everyone's help.
> 
> Have made several little projects using LC Server on the on-rev.com host. For the first time, I would like a global variable -- that is a variable that would retain it's value even if the page is re-loaded. Or if a user goes to another .lc page/file in the domain.
> 
> All my playing around, and Googling around, has been for nought. Is there a way to hang on to a bit of data was you move around pages in the same domain?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Tim Selander
> Tokyo, Japan
> 
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From selander at tkf.att.ne.jp  Fri Aug 12 09:18:26 2022
From: selander at tkf.att.ne.jp (Tim Selander)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2022 22:18:26 +0900
Subject: Server globals
In-Reply-To: <C19B916C-3A6C-42AF-9E91-E269DA6717BF@m-r-d.de>
References: <fdf1b73b-4f0e-7219-f1a6-95550e0f8a0c@tkf.att.ne.jp>
 <C19B916C-3A6C-42AF-9E91-E269DA6717BF@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <81d60127-fcdf-afbf-3c9c-70cb3a2041f1@tkf.att.ne.jp>

Hi Matthias,

It is user specific, but I just tried the saving to a text file 
on the server -- very fast. Got the user IP from $_Server, and 
used that in the filename for easy later retrieval. How much data 
can a cookie hold? Guess I'll test that.

One of the reasons I'm fussing with this is I'm trying to come up 
with some kind of pagination system. I'm probably trying to 
re-invent the wheel -- badly.

It's a simple membership list, with a few hundred records. Only 
want to show 30 on the page at a time. I wonder if anyone has a 
LC sample for doing that. I tried Ralph Bitter's Revigniter but 
just can't wrap my head around it.

Using MySQL for testing, so could try to figure out using the 
CURSOR feature. But know nothing about avoiding injection 
attacks, so may fall back to using  a .csv for the datafile. I've 
done that for all my other projects....

Anyway, thanks for the info; no global variables, but file saves 
look like they'll work!

Tim

On 2022.08.12 21:26, matthias rebbe via use-livecode wrote:
> Hi Tim,
> 
> does the variable have a user specific value or a value, that changes from time to time, but is the same for all users?
> 
> I've done something some time ago and used a text file on the server which stored that value. In my case the value was not user specific so it was an easy task.
> 
> 
> If the variable is user specific, why don't you use a  cookies for that? That will grant that the value is available  at all pages in the same domain.
> 
> Regards,
> Matthias
> 
> 
>> Am 12.08.2022 um 13:27 schrieb Tim Selander via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>
>> As always, appreciate everyone's help.
>>
>> Have made several little projects using LC Server on the on-rev.com host. For the first time, I would like a global variable -- that is a variable that would retain it's value even if the page is re-loaded. Or if a user goes to another .lc page/file in the domain.
>>
>> All my playing around, and Googling around, has been for nought. Is there a way to hang on to a bit of data was you move around pages in the same domain?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Tim Selander
>> Tokyo, Japan
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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> 
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From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Fri Aug 12 09:39:07 2022
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2022 15:39:07 +0200
Subject: Server globals
In-Reply-To: <81d60127-fcdf-afbf-3c9c-70cb3a2041f1@tkf.att.ne.jp>
References: <fdf1b73b-4f0e-7219-f1a6-95550e0f8a0c@tkf.att.ne.jp>
 <C19B916C-3A6C-42AF-9E91-E269DA6717BF@m-r-d.de>
 <81d60127-fcdf-afbf-3c9c-70cb3a2041f1@tkf.att.ne.jp>
Message-ID: <20CD4267-A735-4430-B50D-2BA3729F25FC@m-r-d.de>

Hi Tim,

the maximum size of a cookie is 4096 bytes.

I am using Sitelok from Vibralogix on one site for a membership list. I've integrated it in a site i created with Rapidweaver. 
I am also using Livecode Server scripts on that site for several tasks including form processing. The good thing is that i can add my Livecode Server scripts to my Rapidweaver pages, either the whole script or only an   include statement that includes the script.
I just need to tell Rapidweaver to store that page with file extension .lc instead of .html.

I also had a look at Reviginiter. Looks so powerful, but i have not enough time in a row to get used with it. So i have to stay with my Rapidweaver/Livecode server script solutions.


Regards,
Matthias


> Am 12.08.2022 um 15:18 schrieb Tim Selander via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Hi Matthias,
> 
> It is user specific, but I just tried the saving to a text file on the server -- very fast. Got the user IP from $_Server, and used that in the filename for easy later retrieval. How much data can a cookie hold? Guess I'll test that.
> 
> One of the reasons I'm fussing with this is I'm trying to come up with some kind of pagination system. I'm probably trying to re-invent the wheel -- badly.
> 
> It's a simple membership list, with a few hundred records. Only want to show 30 on the page at a time. I wonder if anyone has a LC sample for doing that. I tried Ralph Bitter's Revigniter but just can't wrap my head around it.
> 
> Using MySQL for testing, so could try to figure out using the CURSOR feature. But know nothing about avoiding injection attacks, so may fall back to using  a .csv for the datafile. I've done that for all my other projects....
> 
> Anyway, thanks for the info; no global variables, but file saves look like they'll work!
> 
> Tim
> 
> On 2022.08.12 21:26, matthias rebbe via use-livecode wrote:
>> Hi Tim,
>> does the variable have a user specific value or a value, that changes from time to time, but is the same for all users?
>> I've done something some time ago and used a text file on the server which stored that value. In my case the value was not user specific so it was an easy task.
>> If the variable is user specific, why don't you use a  cookies for that? That will grant that the value is available  at all pages in the same domain.
>> Regards,
>> Matthias
>>> Am 12.08.2022 um 13:27 schrieb Tim Selander via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>> 
>>> As always, appreciate everyone's help.
>>> 
>>> Have made several little projects using LC Server on the on-rev.com host. For the first time, I would like a global variable -- that is a variable that would retain it's value even if the page is re-loaded. Or if a user goes to another .lc page/file in the domain.
>>> 
>>> All my playing around, and Googling around, has been for nought. Is there a way to hang on to a bit of data was you move around pages in the same domain?
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> Tim Selander
>>> Tokyo, Japan
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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From jacques.clavel at gmail.com  Fri Aug 12 12:39:04 2022
From: jacques.clavel at gmail.com (Jacques Clavel)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2022 18:39:04 +0200
Subject: Server globals
In-Reply-To: <81d60127-fcdf-afbf-3c9c-70cb3a2041f1@tkf.att.ne.jp>
References: <fdf1b73b-4f0e-7219-f1a6-95550e0f8a0c@tkf.att.ne.jp>
 <C19B916C-3A6C-42AF-9E91-E269DA6717BF@m-r-d.de>
 <81d60127-fcdf-afbf-3c9c-70cb3a2041f1@tkf.att.ne.jp>
Message-ID: <CALD5Cnj8XL5HicrZfG9pyDTguWH1pk6p32PUQDVPV_sSF7wK3w@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Tim,

You can also use localStorage for user specific data at the browser level :
In your .lc script on the server :
to store

<script> localStorage.jcf2 = '" &sDir&  "'</script>


and retrieve data

<script> var jMem = localStorage.getItem('jcf2');</script>


Regards,

JC

Le ven. 12 août 2022 à 15:19, Tim Selander via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> a écrit :

> Hi Matthias,
>
> It is user specific, but I just tried the saving to a text file
> on the server -- very fast. Got the user IP from $_Server, and
> used that in the filename for easy later retrieval. How much data
> can a cookie hold? Guess I'll test that.
>
> One of the reasons I'm fussing with this is I'm trying to come up
> with some kind of pagination system. I'm probably trying to
> re-invent the wheel -- badly.
>
> It's a simple membership list, with a few hundred records. Only
> want to show 30 on the page at a time. I wonder if anyone has a
> LC sample for doing that. I tried Ralph Bitter's Revigniter but
> just can't wrap my head around it.
>
> Using MySQL for testing, so could try to figure out using the
> CURSOR feature. But know nothing about avoiding injection
> attacks, so may fall back to using  a .csv for the datafile. I've
> done that for all my other projects....
>
> Anyway, thanks for the info; no global variables, but file saves
> look like they'll work!
>
> Tim
>
> On 2022.08.12 21:26, matthias rebbe via use-livecode wrote:
> > Hi Tim,
> >
> > does the variable have a user specific value or a value, that changes
> from time to time, but is the same for all users?
> >
> > I've done something some time ago and used a text file on the server
> which stored that value. In my case the value was not user specific so it
> was an easy task.
> >
> >
> > If the variable is user specific, why don't you use a  cookies for that?
> That will grant that the value is available  at all pages in the same
> domain.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Matthias
> >
> >
> >> Am 12.08.2022 um 13:27 schrieb Tim Selander via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> >>
> >> As always, appreciate everyone's help.
> >>
> >> Have made several little projects using LC Server on the on-rev.com
> host. For the first time, I would like a global variable -- that is a
> variable that would retain it's value even if the page is re-loaded. Or if
> a user goes to another .lc page/file in the domain.
> >>
> >> All my playing around, and Googling around, has been for nought. Is
> there a way to hang on to a bit of data was you move around pages in the
> same domain?
> >>
> >> Thanks.
> >>
> >> Tim Selander
> >> Tokyo, Japan
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> use-livecode mailing list
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >
> >
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From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net  Fri Aug 12 13:18:43 2022
From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2022 13:18:43 -0400
Subject: Server globals
In-Reply-To: <81d60127-fcdf-afbf-3c9c-70cb3a2041f1@tkf.att.ne.jp>
References: <fdf1b73b-4f0e-7219-f1a6-95550e0f8a0c@tkf.att.ne.jp>
 <C19B916C-3A6C-42AF-9E91-E269DA6717BF@m-r-d.de>
 <81d60127-fcdf-afbf-3c9c-70cb3a2041f1@tkf.att.ne.jp>
Message-ID: <004b01d8ae6f$95f146d0$c1d3d470$@net>

Using the IP can fail if more than one user is on the same IP via a router
using NAT. The Browser local storage is a better solution.

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdimola at evergreeninfo.net

-----Original Message-----
From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf
Of Tim Selander via use-livecode
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2022 9:18 AM
To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
Cc: Tim Selander
Subject: Re: Server globals

Hi Matthias,

It is user specific, but I just tried the saving to a text file on the
server -- very fast. Got the user IP from $_Server, and used that in the
filename for easy later retrieval. How much data can a cookie hold? Guess
I'll test that.

One of the reasons I'm fussing with this is I'm trying to come up with some
kind of pagination system. I'm probably trying to re-invent the wheel --
badly.

It's a simple membership list, with a few hundred records. Only want to show
30 on the page at a time. I wonder if anyone has a LC sample for doing that.
I tried Ralph Bitter's Revigniter but just can't wrap my head around it.

Using MySQL for testing, so could try to figure out using the CURSOR
feature. But know nothing about avoiding injection attacks, so may fall back
to using  a .csv for the datafile. I've done that for all my other
projects....

Anyway, thanks for the info; no global variables, but file saves look like
they'll work!

Tim

On 2022.08.12 21:26, matthias rebbe via use-livecode wrote:
> Hi Tim,
> 
> does the variable have a user specific value or a value, that changes from
time to time, but is the same for all users?
> 
> I've done something some time ago and used a text file on the server which
stored that value. In my case the value was not user specific so it was an
easy task.
> 
> 
> If the variable is user specific, why don't you use a  cookies for that?
That will grant that the value is available  at all pages in the same
domain.
> 
> Regards,
> Matthias
> 
> 
>> Am 12.08.2022 um 13:27 schrieb Tim Selander via use-livecode
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>
>> As always, appreciate everyone's help.
>>
>> Have made several little projects using LC Server on the on-rev.com host.
For the first time, I would like a global variable -- that is a variable
that would retain it's value even if the page is re-loaded. Or if a user
goes to another .lc page/file in the domain.
>>
>> All my playing around, and Googling around, has been for nought. Is there
a way to hang on to a bit of data was you move around pages in the same
domain?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Tim Selander
>> Tokyo, Japan
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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subscription preferences:
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From selander at tkf.att.ne.jp  Fri Aug 12 19:04:18 2022
From: selander at tkf.att.ne.jp (Tim Selander)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2022 08:04:18 +0900
Subject: Server globals
In-Reply-To: <004b01d8ae6f$95f146d0$c1d3d470$@net>
References: <fdf1b73b-4f0e-7219-f1a6-95550e0f8a0c@tkf.att.ne.jp>
 <C19B916C-3A6C-42AF-9E91-E269DA6717BF@m-r-d.de>
 <81d60127-fcdf-afbf-3c9c-70cb3a2041f1@tkf.att.ne.jp>
 <004b01d8ae6f$95f146d0$c1d3d470$@net>
Message-ID: <3bf1f6bf-60ad-d2ae-1fe1-a216875a8d6d@tkf.att.ne.jp>

Ah! Big problem I hadn't thought of  -- thank you!! I'll try the 
local storage script Jacques offered.

Many thanks.

Tim

On 2022.08.13 2:18, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode wrote:
> Using the IP can fail if more than one user is on the same IP via a router
> using NAT. The Browser local storage is a better solution.
> 
> Ralph DiMola
> IT Director
> Evergreen Information Services
> rdimola at evergreeninfo.net
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf
> Of Tim Selander via use-livecode
> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2022 9:18 AM
> To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Cc: Tim Selander
> Subject: Re: Server globals
> 
> Hi Matthias,
> 
> It is user specific, but I just tried the saving to a text file on the
> server -- very fast. Got the user IP from $_Server, and used that in the
> filename for easy later retrieval. How much data can a cookie hold? Guess
> I'll test that.
> 
> One of the reasons I'm fussing with this is I'm trying to come up with some
> kind of pagination system. I'm probably trying to re-invent the wheel --
> badly.
> 
> It's a simple membership list, with a few hundred records. Only want to show
> 30 on the page at a time. I wonder if anyone has a LC sample for doing that.
> I tried Ralph Bitter's Revigniter but just can't wrap my head around it.
> 
> Using MySQL for testing, so could try to figure out using the CURSOR
> feature. But know nothing about avoiding injection attacks, so may fall back
> to using  a .csv for the datafile. I've done that for all my other
> projects....
> 
> Anyway, thanks for the info; no global variables, but file saves look like
> they'll work!
> 
> Tim
> 
> On 2022.08.12 21:26, matthias rebbe via use-livecode wrote:
>> Hi Tim,
>>
>> does the variable have a user specific value or a value, that changes from
> time to time, but is the same for all users?
>>
>> I've done something some time ago and used a text file on the server which
> stored that value. In my case the value was not user specific so it was an
> easy task.
>>
>>
>> If the variable is user specific, why don't you use a  cookies for that?
> That will grant that the value is available  at all pages in the same
> domain.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Matthias
>>
>>
>>> Am 12.08.2022 um 13:27 schrieb Tim Selander via use-livecode
> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>>
>>> As always, appreciate everyone's help.
>>>
>>> Have made several little projects using LC Server on the on-rev.com host.
> For the first time, I would like a global variable -- that is a variable
> that would retain it's value even if the page is re-loaded. Or if a user
> goes to another .lc page/file in the domain.
>>>
>>> All my playing around, and Googling around, has been for nought. Is there
> a way to hang on to a bit of data was you move around pages in the same
> domain?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Tim Selander
>>> Tokyo, Japan
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
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>>
>>
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From alex at tweedly.net  Fri Aug 12 19:36:34 2022
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2022 00:36:34 +0100
Subject: Server globals
In-Reply-To: <81d60127-fcdf-afbf-3c9c-70cb3a2041f1@tkf.att.ne.jp>
References: <fdf1b73b-4f0e-7219-f1a6-95550e0f8a0c@tkf.att.ne.jp>
 <C19B916C-3A6C-42AF-9E91-E269DA6717BF@m-r-d.de>
 <81d60127-fcdf-afbf-3c9c-70cb3a2041f1@tkf.att.ne.jp>
Message-ID: <463d1a63-a944-a549-8ee0-8ff584a303e5@tweedly.net>

Hi Tim,

I think there are many easy ways to do this - and many not-so-easy ones too.

IMO, easiest for something simple like this is to just use the url.

See tweedly.net/page_by_url.txt for the code, or try it out at 
tweedly.net/page_by_url.lc

(or try tweedly.net/page_by_url.lc?row=14 )

You can do something very similar using a cookie, with the 'row' value 
stored in the cookie each time (remember to "put cookie ..." before 
*any* other output.)

Or by using the cookie to hold the name of a file in which you store 
this kind of info. This is necessary if you need to store a lot of data 
- if there is not already a cookie, create a filename using something 
like uuid(), and store the file name in it - then retrieve the cookie, 
and read or write the file.

Alex.

On 12/08/2022 14:18, Tim Selander via use-livecode wrote:
> Hi Matthias,
>
> It is user specific, but I just tried the saving to a text file on the 
> server -- very fast. Got the user IP from $_Server, and used that in 
> the filename for easy later retrieval. How much data can a cookie 
> hold? Guess I'll test that.
>
> One of the reasons I'm fussing with this is I'm trying to come up with 
> some kind of pagination system. I'm probably trying to re-invent the 
> wheel -- badly.
>
> It's a simple membership list, with a few hundred records. Only want 
> to show 30 on the page at a time. I wonder if anyone has a LC sample 
> for doing that. I tried Ralph Bitter's Revigniter but just can't wrap 
> my head around it.
>
> Using MySQL for testing, so could try to figure out using the CURSOR 
> feature. But know nothing about avoiding injection attacks, so may 
> fall back to using  a .csv for the datafile. I've done that for all my 
> other projects....
>
> Anyway, thanks for the info; no global variables, but file saves look 
> like they'll work!
>
> Tim
>
> On 2022.08.12 21:26, matthias rebbe via use-livecode wrote:
>> Hi Tim,
>>
>> does the variable have a user specific value or a value, that changes 
>> from time to time, but is the same for all users?
>>
>> I've done something some time ago and used a text file on the server 
>> which stored that value. In my case the value was not user specific 
>> so it was an easy task.
>>
>>
>> If the variable is user specific, why don't you use a  cookies for 
>> that? That will grant that the value is available  at all pages in 
>> the same domain.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Matthias
>>
>>
>>> Am 12.08.2022 um 13:27 schrieb Tim Selander via use-livecode 
>>> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>>
>>> As always, appreciate everyone's help.
>>>
>>> Have made several little projects using LC Server on the on-rev.com 
>>> host. For the first time, I would like a global variable -- that is 
>>> a variable that would retain it's value even if the page is 
>>> re-loaded. Or if a user goes to another .lc page/file in the domain.
>>>
>>> All my playing around, and Googling around, has been for nought. Is 
>>> there a way to hang on to a bit of data was you move around pages in 
>>> the same domain?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Tim Selander
>>> Tokyo, Japan
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
>>> subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>
>>
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Aug 12 19:37:36 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2022 23:37:36 +0000
Subject: Shouldn't space or enter in a menu select the hilited item?
Message-ID: <70A75B95-A73F-448C-86FA-E1BB2FB9731C@iotecdigital.com>

Hi all. Very odd, I thought this worked. 

I am programmatically popping up a menu, then I want to be able to jse the arrow keys to traverse the selections available. If I click any of the choices, the menuPick handler gets the choice as the first parameter. If however I use the spacebar or the enterKey to select a choice, the parameter is empty in menuPick! That isn't right, is it??

MacOS 10.15.7 LC 9.6.9 rc1

Bob S



From selander at tkf.att.ne.jp  Sat Aug 13 08:52:58 2022
From: selander at tkf.att.ne.jp (Tim Selander)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2022 21:52:58 +0900
Subject: Server globals
In-Reply-To: <463d1a63-a944-a549-8ee0-8ff584a303e5@tweedly.net>
References: <fdf1b73b-4f0e-7219-f1a6-95550e0f8a0c@tkf.att.ne.jp>
 <C19B916C-3A6C-42AF-9E91-E269DA6717BF@m-r-d.de>
 <81d60127-fcdf-afbf-3c9c-70cb3a2041f1@tkf.att.ne.jp>
 <463d1a63-a944-a549-8ee0-8ff584a303e5@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <3f3ecf2d-a360-18d0-6d8d-c1da9d889ab0@tkf.att.ne.jp>

Alex,

Went to your page, and wow, that is exactly what I was trying to 
do. I'm still trying to figure out exactly how you do it, but I'm 
headed in the right direction.

Thanks!

Tim

On 2022.08.13 8:36, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:
> Hi Tim,
> 
> I think there are many easy ways to do this - and many 
> not-so-easy ones too.
> 
> IMO, easiest for something simple like this is to just use the url.
> 
> See tweedly.net/page_by_url.txt for the code, or try it out at 
> tweedly.net/page_by_url.lc
> 
> (or try tweedly.net/page_by_url.lc?row=14 )
> 
> You can do something very similar using a cookie, with the 'row' 
> value stored in the cookie each time (remember to "put cookie 
> ..." before *any* other output.)
> 
> Or by using the cookie to hold the name of a file in which you 
> store this kind of info. This is necessary if you need to store a 
> lot of data - if there is not already a cookie, create a filename 
> using something like uuid(), and store the file name in it - then 
> retrieve the cookie, and read or write the file.
> 
> Alex.
> 
> On 12/08/2022 14:18, Tim Selander via use-livecode wrote:
>> Hi Matthias,
>>
>> It is user specific, but I just tried the saving to a text file 
>> on the server -- very fast. Got the user IP from $_Server, and 
>> used that in the filename for easy later retrieval. How much 
>> data can a cookie hold? Guess I'll test that.
>>
>> One of the reasons I'm fussing with this is I'm trying to come 
>> up with some kind of pagination system. I'm probably trying to 
>> re-invent the wheel -- badly.
>>
>> It's a simple membership list, with a few hundred records. Only 
>> want to show 30 on the page at a time. I wonder if anyone has a 
>> LC sample for doing that. I tried Ralph Bitter's Revigniter but 
>> just can't wrap my head around it.
>>
>> Using MySQL for testing, so could try to figure out using the 
>> CURSOR feature. But know nothing about avoiding injection 
>> attacks, so may fall back to using  a .csv for the datafile. 
>> I've done that for all my other projects....
>>
>> Anyway, thanks for the info; no global variables, but file 
>> saves look like they'll work!
>>
>> Tim
>>
>> On 2022.08.12 21:26, matthias rebbe via use-livecode wrote:
>>> Hi Tim,
>>>
>>> does the variable have a user specific value or a value, that 
>>> changes from time to time, but is the same for all users?
>>>
>>> I've done something some time ago and used a text file on the 
>>> server which stored that value. In my case the value was not 
>>> user specific so it was an easy task.
>>>
>>>
>>> If the variable is user specific, why don't you use a  cookies 
>>> for that? That will grant that the value is available  at all 
>>> pages in the same domain.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Matthias
>>>
>>>
>>>> Am 12.08.2022 um 13:27 schrieb Tim Selander via use-livecode 
>>>> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>>>
>>>> As always, appreciate everyone's help.
>>>>
>>>> Have made several little projects using LC Server on the 
>>>> on-rev.com host. For the first time, I would like a global 
>>>> variable -- that is a variable that would retain it's value 
>>>> even if the page is re-loaded. Or if a user goes to another 
>>>> .lc page/file in the domain.
>>>>
>>>> All my playing around, and Googling around, has been for 
>>>> nought. Is there a way to hang on to a bit of data was you 
>>>> move around pages in the same domain?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> Tim Selander
>>>> Tokyo, Japan
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage 
>>>> your subscription preferences:
>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>>
>>>
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>>> your subscription preferences:
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From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Sat Aug 13 14:49:26 2022
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2022 14:49:26 -0400
Subject: Server globals
In-Reply-To: <3f3ecf2d-a360-18d0-6d8d-c1da9d889ab0@tkf.att.ne.jp>
References: <fdf1b73b-4f0e-7219-f1a6-95550e0f8a0c@tkf.att.ne.jp>
 <C19B916C-3A6C-42AF-9E91-E269DA6717BF@m-r-d.de>
 <81d60127-fcdf-afbf-3c9c-70cb3a2041f1@tkf.att.ne.jp>
 <463d1a63-a944-a549-8ee0-8ff584a303e5@tweedly.net>
 <3f3ecf2d-a360-18d0-6d8d-c1da9d889ab0@tkf.att.ne.jp>
Message-ID: <CADCoycNU8rQWJtAstH-gfCnd6onx-2dtJzPM=7f55ig6Po9rTg@mail.gmail.com>

With LC thinking that they want to emphasize web apps, more, the
complications with server probably also need some effort.

On Sat, Aug 13, 2022 at 8:54 AM Tim Selander via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Alex,
>
> Went to your page, and wow, that is exactly what I was trying to
> do. I'm still trying to figure out exactly how you do it, but I'm
> headed in the right direction.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Tim
>
> On 2022.08.13 8:36, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:
> > Hi Tim,
> >
> > I think there are many easy ways to do this - and many
> > not-so-easy ones too.
> >
> > IMO, easiest for something simple like this is to just use the url.
> >
> > See tweedly.net/page_by_url.txt for the code, or try it out at
> > tweedly.net/page_by_url.lc
> >
> > (or try tweedly.net/page_by_url.lc?row=14 )
> >
> > You can do something very similar using a cookie, with the 'row'
> > value stored in the cookie each time (remember to "put cookie
> > ..." before *any* other output.)
> >
> > Or by using the cookie to hold the name of a file in which you
> > store this kind of info. This is necessary if you need to store a
> > lot of data - if there is not already a cookie, create a filename
> > using something like uuid(), and store the file name in it - then
> > retrieve the cookie, and read or write the file.
> >
> > Alex.
> >
> > On 12/08/2022 14:18, Tim Selander via use-livecode wrote:
> >> Hi Matthias,
> >>
> >> It is user specific, but I just tried the saving to a text file
> >> on the server -- very fast. Got the user IP from $_Server, and
> >> used that in the filename for easy later retrieval. How much
> >> data can a cookie hold? Guess I'll test that.
> >>
> >> One of the reasons I'm fussing with this is I'm trying to come
> >> up with some kind of pagination system. I'm probably trying to
> >> re-invent the wheel -- badly.
> >>
> >> It's a simple membership list, with a few hundred records. Only
> >> want to show 30 on the page at a time. I wonder if anyone has a
> >> LC sample for doing that. I tried Ralph Bitter's Revigniter but
> >> just can't wrap my head around it.
> >>
> >> Using MySQL for testing, so could try to figure out using the
> >> CURSOR feature. But know nothing about avoiding injection
> >> attacks, so may fall back to using  a .csv for the datafile.
> >> I've done that for all my other projects....
> >>
> >> Anyway, thanks for the info; no global variables, but file
> >> saves look like they'll work!
> >>
> >> Tim
> >>
> >> On 2022.08.12 21:26, matthias rebbe via use-livecode wrote:
> >>> Hi Tim,
> >>>
> >>> does the variable have a user specific value or a value, that
> >>> changes from time to time, but is the same for all users?
> >>>
> >>> I've done something some time ago and used a text file on the
> >>> server which stored that value. In my case the value was not
> >>> user specific so it was an easy task.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> If the variable is user specific, why don't you use a  cookies
> >>> for that? That will grant that the value is available  at all
> >>> pages in the same domain.
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Matthias
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Am 12.08.2022 um 13:27 schrieb Tim Selander via use-livecode
> >>>> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> >>>>
> >>>> As always, appreciate everyone's help.
> >>>>
> >>>> Have made several little projects using LC Server on the
> >>>> on-rev.com host. For the first time, I would like a global
> >>>> variable -- that is a variable that would retain it's value
> >>>> even if the page is re-loaded. Or if a user goes to another
> >>>> .lc page/file in the domain.
> >>>>
> >>>> All my playing around, and Googling around, has been for
> >>>> nought. Is there a way to hang on to a bit of data was you
> >>>> move around pages in the same domain?
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks.
> >>>>
> >>>> Tim Selander
> >>>> Tokyo, Japan
> >>>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> use-livecode mailing list
> >>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage
> >>>> your subscription preferences:
> >>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >>>
> >>>
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> >>> your subscription preferences:
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From andreas.bergendal at gmail.com  Sat Aug 13 15:24:59 2022
From: andreas.bergendal at gmail.com (Andreas Bergendal)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2022 21:24:59 +0200
Subject: A web app launcher with responsive design
Message-ID: <7CB3161B-4245-4529-8FE7-716DEFB4A6D5@gmail.com>

Friends, I have done wonderful things with LC10 web deployment!

I’m excited to share with you the fruits of this week's extensive research and testing!

TL;DR:
Try this: https://wheninspace.com/portal/ <https://wheninspace.com/portal/>

Long version:

I wanted to do two things:

1) Like we often do with desktop standalones: Create a minimal launcher/splash stack as standalone, which only does one thing - open an external stack that does everything else. This way I can then update individual stacks, without having to build a new standalone each time.

2) Get the resizing of the browser window to trigger the resize of the stacks and all the responsive design therein, and make it look good on both desktop and mobile. (Refining the example from the mothership, ”Meeting space”.)

I have accomplished both!
You can see and test the result here:
https://wheninspace.com/portal/ <https://wheninspace.com/portal/>

Please try it both in desktop browsers (resizing the browser to various sizes) and mobile browsers (both portrait and landscape orientation).

The standalone consists of a minimal launch stack that just acts as event listening agent (even after closing itself) and opens the Portal stack which is an external LC stack. The Portal stack then has buttons for opening additional external LC stacks. 

When the launcher stack receives a resize signal from the browser (from the JavaScript in the html file), it dispatches ”resizeEvent” with the width/height values to the topStack, which can subsequently rearrange its stack rect and content accordingly.

As a bonus, I also demonstrate the possibility to show several stacks in the same browser window!

I find the LC web deployment option a true game-changer! A new world is opening! Let’s build it! :)

/Andreas

From colinholgate at gmail.com  Sat Aug 13 16:59:05 2022
From: colinholgate at gmail.com (Colin Holgate)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2022 14:59:05 -0600
Subject: Running installer on Windows 10
Message-ID: <35C01E39-3C91-43E9-A3F8-ACDDCCDF7FD9@gmail.com>

I am testing a stack on some different systems, and on Mac M1, Mac Intel, Intel i7 PC with Windows 10, and an Intel Celeron N5095 with Windows 11, no problems.

On an Intel Celeron N3450, Windows 10, nothing happens when opening the LiveCode 9.6.8 x86-64 installer, or if I open a standalone app that I made. When using run as admin, the initial “are you sure” screen appears, but then after that nothing happens.

What could be different between a Celeron N5095 and a Celeron N3450, that would account for why LiveCode applications don’t open?

I see from this post:

https://forums.unrealengine.com/t/epic-games-launcher-does-not-open/420387 <https://forums.unrealengine.com/t/epic-games-launcher-does-not-open/420387>

that some software might not like an Intel HD Graphics 500, but would that be a reason for the installer to fail silently?

I worked around the issue for now by saving the stack as v7. The 7.1.3 installer works ok.

From tom at makeshyft.com  Sat Aug 13 17:23:48 2022
From: tom at makeshyft.com (Tom Glod)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2022 17:23:48 -0400
Subject: Livecode SQLite
In-Reply-To: <fd399822a5fdad9e930b14a62ac12b92@livecode.com>
References: <CAPzQJL+u4Ct1sMqZ0Qrb77g4PsY8EfzLzy_vt8fHxhcHdWkQ4g@mail.gmail.com>
 <fd399822a5fdad9e930b14a62ac12b92@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <CAPzQJLJGok7Suibqv+P+tMTQ3pZvdnAP_3UPSxe3MO9FtmEvLQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Mark, I'm using very simple examples to run it, so I don't think its my
query, but you are eight I shouldreport this. This would be really great to
have. Esp since  almost everything is json these days.
I will report it in the next few days. Thanks,

On Fri, Aug 12, 2022 at 12:57 AM Mark Waddingham via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> On 2022-08-11 16:16, Tom Glod via use-livecode wrote:
> > I was interested in implementing a relatively new feature where you can
> > index and query json documents and read the keys directly.
> >
> > https://dgl.cx/2020/06/sqlite-json-support
> >
> > I guess, if this is true, is there any documentation about which
> > features
> > of sqlite are implemented and which are not?
>
> The version of SQLite is currently 3.34 built with FTS3,
> FTS3_PARANTHESIS, FTS4, FTS5, RTREE and JSON1 options.
>
> So the JSON features (at least as far as those included in 3.34) should
> be included - perhaps the queries you are trying rely on features
> (perhaps not JSON related) included in more recent versions?
>
> If you file a bug report with what examples of what isn't working, then
> we'll look into updating to the latest version of the library.
>
> Warmest Regards,
>
> Mark.
>
> --
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From marksmithhfx at gmail.com  Sat Aug 13 17:39:57 2022
From: marksmithhfx at gmail.com (Mark Smith)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2022 22:39:57 +0100
Subject: A web app launcher with responsive design
In-Reply-To: <7CB3161B-4245-4529-8FE7-716DEFB4A6D5@gmail.com>
References: <7CB3161B-4245-4529-8FE7-716DEFB4A6D5@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E296306E-86D6-4C66-8544-A2688A8BFD17@gmail.com>

Congratulations Andreas and thanks for sharing. I haven’t done any work with the new LC HTML5 engine but I was really impressed with the speed of loading it on my new M1 Pro — about 3-4 seconds on first download and then a second or so thereafter. On my iPhone 12 not so fast… more like 30 on the first download but again very quick (a second or two) on subsequent loads. It looks like you’ve got a lot of the tech working with objects and screens and the adaptive resizing. When I do get around to getting into this (and it looks very enticing) I’ll know where to go for help :)

Mark


> On 13 Aug 2022, at 8:24 pm, Andreas Bergendal via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Friends, I have done wonderful things with LC10 web deployment!
> 
> I’m excited to share with you the fruits of this week's extensive research and testing!
> 
> TL;DR:
> Try this: https://wheninspace.com/portal/ <https://wheninspace.com/portal/>
> 
> Long version:
> 
> I wanted to do two things:
> 
> 1) Like we often do with desktop standalones: Create a minimal launcher/splash stack as standalone, which only does one thing - open an external stack that does everything else. This way I can then update individual stacks, without having to build a new standalone each time.
> 
> 2) Get the resizing of the browser window to trigger the resize of the stacks and all the responsive design therein, and make it look good on both desktop and mobile. (Refining the example from the mothership, ”Meeting space”.)
> 
> I have accomplished both!
> You can see and test the result here:
> https://wheninspace.com/portal/ <https://wheninspace.com/portal/>
> 
> Please try it both in desktop browsers (resizing the browser to various sizes) and mobile browsers (both portrait and landscape orientation).
> 
> The standalone consists of a minimal launch stack that just acts as event listening agent (even after closing itself) and opens the Portal stack which is an external LC stack. The Portal stack then has buttons for opening additional external LC stacks. 
> 
> When the launcher stack receives a resize signal from the browser (from the JavaScript in the html file), it dispatches ”resizeEvent” with the width/height values to the topStack, which can subsequently rearrange its stack rect and content accordingly.
> 
> As a bonus, I also demonstrate the possibility to show several stacks in the same browser window!
> 
> I find the LC web deployment option a true game-changer! A new world is opening! Let’s build it! :)
> 
> /Andreas
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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From tom at makeshyft.com  Sat Aug 13 20:06:10 2022
From: tom at makeshyft.com (Tom Glod)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2022 20:06:10 -0400
Subject: A web app launcher with responsive design
In-Reply-To: <E296306E-86D6-4C66-8544-A2688A8BFD17@gmail.com>
References: <7CB3161B-4245-4529-8FE7-716DEFB4A6D5@gmail.com>
 <E296306E-86D6-4C66-8544-A2688A8BFD17@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPzQJLKDk6RJ=DwcAbe2xN19Gmw6DenRTZu1=pvY3TU2v=UT=g@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Andreas, thanks for sharing, cool example of responsive design.

I thought the HTML5/javascript export was dead, and WASM would be used
instead.
It could be my own confusion about terminology being used.
Can someone clarify this for me?

Thanks,

Tom


On Sat, Aug 13, 2022 at 5:41 PM Mark Smith via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Congratulations Andreas and thanks for sharing. I haven’t done any work
> with the new LC HTML5 engine but I was really impressed with the speed of
> loading it on my new M1 Pro — about 3-4 seconds on first download and then
> a second or so thereafter. On my iPhone 12 not so fast… more like 30 on the
> first download but again very quick (a second or two) on subsequent loads.
> It looks like you’ve got a lot of the tech working with objects and screens
> and the adaptive resizing. When I do get around to getting into this (and
> it looks very enticing) I’ll know where to go for help :)
>
> Mark
>
>
> > On 13 Aug 2022, at 8:24 pm, Andreas Bergendal via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Friends, I have done wonderful things with LC10 web deployment!
> >
> > I’m excited to share with you the fruits of this week's extensive
> research and testing!
> >
> > TL;DR:
> > Try this: https://wheninspace.com/portal/ <
> https://wheninspace.com/portal/>
> >
> > Long version:
> >
> > I wanted to do two things:
> >
> > 1) Like we often do with desktop standalones: Create a minimal
> launcher/splash stack as standalone, which only does one thing - open an
> external stack that does everything else. This way I can then update
> individual stacks, without having to build a new standalone each time.
> >
> > 2) Get the resizing of the browser window to trigger the resize of the
> stacks and all the responsive design therein, and make it look good on both
> desktop and mobile. (Refining the example from the mothership, ”Meeting
> space”.)
> >
> > I have accomplished both!
> > You can see and test the result here:
> > https://wheninspace.com/portal/ <https://wheninspace.com/portal/>
> >
> > Please try it both in desktop browsers (resizing the browser to various
> sizes) and mobile browsers (both portrait and landscape orientation).
> >
> > The standalone consists of a minimal launch stack that just acts as
> event listening agent (even after closing itself) and opens the Portal
> stack which is an external LC stack. The Portal stack then has buttons for
> opening additional external LC stacks.
> >
> > When the launcher stack receives a resize signal from the browser (from
> the JavaScript in the html file), it dispatches ”resizeEvent” with the
> width/height values to the topStack, which can subsequently rearrange its
> stack rect and content accordingly.
> >
> > As a bonus, I also demonstrate the possibility to show several stacks in
> the same browser window!
> >
> > I find the LC web deployment option a true game-changer! A new world is
> opening! Let’s build it! :)
> >
> > /Andreas
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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> subscription preferences:
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From alex at tweedly.net  Sat Aug 13 20:16:23 2022
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2022 01:16:23 +0100
Subject: A web app launcher with responsive design
In-Reply-To: <7CB3161B-4245-4529-8FE7-716DEFB4A6D5@gmail.com>
References: <7CB3161B-4245-4529-8FE7-716DEFB4A6D5@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9958affd-92f5-e62f-bc53-4f3d0cd462b4@tweedly.net>


On 13/08/2022 20:24, Andreas Bergendal via use-livecode wrote:
> Friends, I have done wonderful things with LC10 web deployment!
>
> Im excited to share with you the fruits of this week's extensive research and testing!
>
Wow. Thanks Andreas.

Resize, etc. work well for me on Safari, but fail badly on Chrome 
browser (details not included) - all build-for-web attempts fail on this 
version of Chrome.  (which it says is up-to-date).


However, the way I read your email ( "...excited to share with you the 
fruits of this week's..."), I think ui intend to make this code 
available for the rest of us to use. But, I cant see a link, or a way to 
get access to the source.

Please tell me I'm not over-interpreting your words. Please say that you 
have, or will, publish the text of the stacks involved.

Many thanks again,

Alex.




From marksmithhfx at gmail.com  Sun Aug 14 00:13:30 2022
From: marksmithhfx at gmail.com (Mark Smith)
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2022 05:13:30 +0100
Subject: A web app launcher with responsive design
In-Reply-To: <CAPzQJLKDk6RJ=DwcAbe2xN19Gmw6DenRTZu1=pvY3TU2v=UT=g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPzQJLKDk6RJ=DwcAbe2xN19Gmw6DenRTZu1=pvY3TU2v=UT=g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <546FC399-35F0-4C51-9F3D-9637E9AB10D8@gmail.com>

Hi Tom, Andreas didn’t mention what the platform was in his message so I just googled  “LC web deployment” and it turned up this… 

https://lessons.livecode.com/m/4071/l/800867-how-do-i-put-my-first-app-on-the-web

However, since you mentioned WASM I looked it up and you are correct, LC 10 (which Andreas was using) is using Web Assembly not HTML5. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 14, 2022, at 1:07 AM, Tom Glod via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hey Andreas, thanks for sharing, cool example of responsive design.
> 
> I thought the HTML5/javascript export was dead, and WASM would be used
> instead.
> It could be my own confusion about terminology being used.
> Can someone clarify this for me?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Tom
> 
> 
>> On Sat, Aug 13, 2022 at 5:41 PM Mark Smith via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Congratulations Andreas and thanks for sharing. I haven’t done any work
>> with the new LC HTML5 engine but I was really impressed with the speed of
>> loading it on my new M1 Pro — about 3-4 seconds on first download and then
>> a second or so thereafter. On my iPhone 12 not so fast… more like 30 on the
>> first download but again very quick (a second or two) on subsequent loads.
>> It looks like you’ve got a lot of the tech working with objects and screens
>> and the adaptive resizing. When I do get around to getting into this (and
>> it looks very enticing) I’ll know where to go for help :)
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> 
>>> On 13 Aug 2022, at 8:24 pm, Andreas Bergendal via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Friends, I have done wonderful things with LC10 web deployment!
>>> 
>>> I’m excited to share with you the fruits of this week's extensive
>> research and testing!
>>> 
>>> TL;DR:
>>> Try this: https://wheninspace.com/portal/ <
>> https://wheninspace.com/portal/>
>>> 
>>> Long version:
>>> 
>>> I wanted to do two things:
>>> 
>>> 1) Like we often do with desktop standalones: Create a minimal
>> launcher/splash stack as standalone, which only does one thing - open an
>> external stack that does everything else. This way I can then update
>> individual stacks, without having to build a new standalone each time.
>>> 
>>> 2) Get the resizing of the browser window to trigger the resize of the
>> stacks and all the responsive design therein, and make it look good on both
>> desktop and mobile. (Refining the example from the mothership, ”Meeting
>> space”.)
>>> 
>>> I have accomplished both!
>>> You can see and test the result here:
>>> https://wheninspace.com/portal/ <https://wheninspace.com/portal/>
>>> 
>>> Please try it both in desktop browsers (resizing the browser to various
>> sizes) and mobile browsers (both portrait and landscape orientation).
>>> 
>>> The standalone consists of a minimal launch stack that just acts as
>> event listening agent (even after closing itself) and opens the Portal
>> stack which is an external LC stack. The Portal stack then has buttons for
>> opening additional external LC stacks.
>>> 
>>> When the launcher stack receives a resize signal from the browser (from
>> the JavaScript in the html file), it dispatches ”resizeEvent” with the
>> width/height values to the topStack, which can subsequently rearrange its
>> stack rect and content accordingly.
>>> 
>>> As a bonus, I also demonstrate the possibility to show several stacks in
>> the same browser window!
>>> 
>>> I find the LC web deployment option a true game-changer! A new world is
>> opening! Let’s build it! :)
>>> 
>>> /Andreas
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> 
>> 
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From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Sun Aug 14 00:50:56 2022
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2022 21:50:56 -0700
Subject: A web app launcher with responsive design
In-Reply-To: <9958affd-92f5-e62f-bc53-4f3d0cd462b4@tweedly.net>
References: <7CB3161B-4245-4529-8FE7-716DEFB4A6D5@gmail.com>
 <9958affd-92f5-e62f-bc53-4f3d0cd462b4@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <928b85a7-db56-32ae-b896-28428631cfcf@sonic.net>

On 8/13/22 17:16, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:
> 
> On 13/08/2022 20:24, Andreas Bergendal via use-livecode wrote:
>> Friends, I have done wonderful things with LC10 web deployment!
>>
>> Im excited to share with you the fruits of this week's extensive 
>> research and testing!
>>
> Wow. Thanks Andreas.
> 
> Resize, etc. work well for me on Safari, but fail badly on Chrome 
> browser (details not included) - all build-for-web attempts fail on this 
> version of Chrome.  (which it says is up-to-date).

OTOH, it's working fine for me on Chrome. Go figger.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com


From andreas.bergendal at gmail.com  Sun Aug 14 06:47:16 2022
From: andreas.bergendal at gmail.com (Andreas Bergendal)
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2022 12:47:16 +0200
Subject: A web app launcher with responsive design
In-Reply-To: <E296306E-86D6-4C66-8544-A2688A8BFD17@gmail.com>
References: <7CB3161B-4245-4529-8FE7-716DEFB4A6D5@gmail.com>
 <E296306E-86D6-4C66-8544-A2688A8BFD17@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6F651EAA-8405-47B3-B8CA-868758401EFE@gmail.com>

Hi all,

Thanks for your feedback on this first test version. It is made with LC 10 dp 4 which indeed uses the wasm tech and not the old html5 tech.

And don’t worry - I wouldn’t have half the knowledge I have in LC coding if it weren’t for the generous sharing on this list and in the forum. Being able to make a small contribution to this knowledge bank is my pleasure.

Here’s a link to a zip file with all the stacks used in the example, plus the index.html file (with I use to replace the standalone.html file produced by the standalone maker):
https://wheninspace.com/portal/LC_wasm_example_package.zip

Note that the links used in the scripts to open stacks all point to my server/domain (obviously) , so if you want to experiment with your copy you’ll need to have a server to put them on and change the links accordingly. It will not work by using the Test deployment (at least not out-of-the-box). I do all testing live on the server.

Note the order in which the stacks fire up: LCweblauncher.livecode (which becomes standalone.zip when built) -> uses WISwebLauncherLib.livecodescript -> opens WISwebPortal.livecode -> opens the other stacks.

I’m sure there's room for vast improvement to all this, and I believe there will also be more support for natively handling some things in coming LC10 versions.
But the future looks promising! :)

/Andreas


> 13 aug. 2022 kl. 23:39 skrev Mark Smith <marksmithhfx at gmail.com>:
> 
> Congratulations Andreas and thanks for sharing. I haven’t done any work with the new LC HTML5 engine but I was really impressed with the speed of loading it on my new M1 Pro — about 3-4 seconds on first download and then a second or so thereafter. On my iPhone 12 not so fast… more like 30 on the first download but again very quick (a second or two) on subsequent loads. It looks like you’ve got a lot of the tech working with objects and screens and the adaptive resizing. When I do get around to getting into this (and it looks very enticing) I’ll know where to go for help :)
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
>> On 13 Aug 2022, at 8:24 pm, Andreas Bergendal via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Friends, I have done wonderful things with LC10 web deployment!
>> 
>> I’m excited to share with you the fruits of this week's extensive research and testing!
>> 
>> TL;DR:
>> Try this: https://wheninspace.com/portal/
>> 
>> Long version:
>> 
>> I wanted to do two things:
>> 
>> 1) Like we often do with desktop standalones: Create a minimal launcher/splash stack as standalone, which only does one thing - open an external stack that does everything else. This way I can then update individual stacks, without having to build a new standalone each time.
>> 
>> 2) Get the resizing of the browser window to trigger the resize of the stacks and all the responsive design therein, and make it look good on both desktop and mobile. (Refining the example from the mothership, ”Meeting space”.)
>> 
>> I have accomplished both!
>> You can see and test the result here:
>> https://wheninspace.com/portal/
>> 
>> Please try it both in desktop browsers (resizing the browser to various sizes) and mobile browsers (both portrait and landscape orientation).
>> 
>> The standalone consists of a minimal launch stack that just acts as event listening agent (even after closing itself) and opens the Portal stack which is an external LC stack. The Portal stack then has buttons for opening additional external LC stacks. 
>> 
>> When the launcher stack receives a resize signal from the browser (from the JavaScript in the html file), it dispatches ”resizeEvent” with the width/height values to the topStack, which can subsequently rearrange its stack rect and content accordingly.
>> 
>> As a bonus, I also demonstrate the possibility to show several stacks in the same browser window!
>> 
>> I find the LC web deployment option a true game-changer! A new world is opening! Let’s build it! :)
>> 
>> /Andreas

From jiml at netrin.com  Sun Aug 14 16:02:47 2022
From: jiml at netrin.com (Jim Lambert)
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2022 13:02:47 -0700
Subject: A web app launcher with responsive design 
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1660492802.157259.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.1.1660492802.157259.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <7A474F6E-24C3-45FC-8CBB-020C6DB25DCF@netrin.com>

Andreas,

Very nice!

Thanks,
Jim Lambert


From selander at tkf.att.ne.jp  Mon Aug 15 08:58:25 2022
From: selander at tkf.att.ne.jp (Tim Selander)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2022 21:58:25 +0900
Subject: More Server Silliness
Message-ID: <1549e269-38ea-5c03-06fc-344990ba3b65@tkf.att.ne.jp>

With Alex and everyone's help, I got the global vs cookies, etc., 
sorted out and am happily paginating away with my little 
membership web site.

With Kenji's help, I got automatic address fill-in from Japanese 
zip codes.

However, I was looking at LiveCode's server samples 
(serversamples.livecode.com/index.lc) and thought, gee, the Ajax 
filtering looks pretty neat.

So I set off to make that work, and failed. I'd give up on it, 
but after wasting THIS much time on it, I gotta bring it to you 
all for a little input and hopefully another bail-out.

Just for testing, I made two new files. The first with the code 
LC provides at 
https://serversamples.livecode.com/display-file.lc?filename=ajax-simple.lc 
and the second from step 3 of the ajax sample page, 
https://serversamples.livecode.com/ajax.lc.

Changed only the bits needed to pull data from my database. File 
one, ajax-simple.lc, lists my data and an input box just like the 
sample page. But it sends no info via GET to the second file, 
filter.lc. If I manually put the GET info in the 
URL,(filter.lc?search_term=John, I get the filtered data I 
expect, but in the filter.lc window -- the data is not returned 
to File 1, ajax-simple.lc.

Has anyone using LC Server gotten that ajax sample to work??

Many thanks,

Tim Selander








From heather at livecode.com  Mon Aug 15 09:55:24 2022
From: heather at livecode.com (Heather Laine)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2022 14:55:24 +0100
Subject: [blog] Power Tools
Message-ID: <B34C098C-4210-4C7F-A881-DC29FE45EF4D@livecode.com>

Dear List Folks,

Just dropping a note to draw your attention to a fine blog post by Mr Mark Wieder:

https://livecode.com/power-tools/

Enjoy!

Warm Regards,

Heather

Heather Laine
Customer Services Manager
LiveCode Ltd
www.livecode.com





From selander at tkf.att.ne.jp  Mon Aug 15 11:10:36 2022
From: selander at tkf.att.ne.jp (Tim Selander)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2022 00:10:36 +0900
Subject: More Server Silliness -- Nevermind
In-Reply-To: <1549e269-38ea-5c03-06fc-344990ba3b65@tkf.att.ne.jp>
References: <1549e269-38ea-5c03-06fc-344990ba3b65@tkf.att.ne.jp>
Message-ID: <4eb3b4c4-5a5d-0fb8-e00b-d5787cf861fb@tkf.att.ne.jp>

Using Firefox developer tools, found out jquery was not loading 
property.
Hangs head in shame at rookie mistake...

Still not working properly, but continue to poke at it.

Tim Selander

On 2022.08.15 21:58, Tim Selander via use-livecode wrote:
> With Alex and everyone's help, I got the global vs cookies, etc., 
> sorted out and am happily paginating away with my little 
> membership web site.
> 
> With Kenji's help, I got automatic address fill-in from Japanese 
> zip codes.
> 
> However, I was looking at LiveCode's server samples 
> (serversamples.livecode.com/index.lc) and thought, gee, the Ajax 
> filtering looks pretty neat.
> 
> So I set off to make that work, and failed. I'd give up on it, 
> but after wasting THIS much time on it, I gotta bring it to you 
> all for a little input and hopefully another bail-out.
> 
> Just for testing, I made two new files. The first with the code 
> LC provides at 
> https://serversamples.livecode.com/display-file.lc?filename=ajax-simple.lc 
> and the second from step 3 of the ajax sample page, 
> https://serversamples.livecode.com/ajax.lc.
> 
> Changed only the bits needed to pull data from my database. File 
> one, ajax-simple.lc, lists my data and an input box just like the 
> sample page. But it sends no info via GET to the second file, 
> filter.lc. If I manually put the GET info in the 
> URL,(filter.lc?search_term=John, I get the filtered data I 
> expect, but in the filter.lc window -- the data is not returned 
> to File 1, ajax-simple.lc.
> 
> Has anyone using LC Server gotten that ajax sample to work??
> 
> Many thanks,
> 
> Tim Selander
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From craig at starfirelighting.com  Mon Aug 15 14:00:37 2022
From: craig at starfirelighting.com (Craig Newman)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2022 14:00:37 -0400
Subject: Shouldn't space or enter in a menu select the hilited item?
In-Reply-To: <70A75B95-A73F-448C-86FA-E1BB2FB9731C@iotecdigital.com>
References: <70A75B95-A73F-448C-86FA-E1BB2FB9731C@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <24EBA058-E6F8-417B-8B94-AEFCCDE3E717@starfirelighting.com>

Hi.

I am missing something. Make a popup menu button. Ina mouseUp handler in another button:

on mouseUp
  click at the loc of btn 1
end mouseUp

Once the menu is open, the up and down arrow keys navigate among the menuItems.

Craig

> On Aug 12, 2022, at 7:37 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi all. Very odd, I thought this worked. 
> 
> I am programmatically popping up a menu, then I want to be able to jse the arrow keys to traverse the selections available. If I click any of the choices, the menuPick handler gets the choice as the first parameter. If however I use the spacebar or the enterKey to select a choice, the parameter is empty in menuPick! That isn't right, is it??
> 
> MacOS 10.15.7 LC 9.6.9 rc1
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
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From craig at starfirelighting.com  Mon Aug 15 14:03:00 2022
From: craig at starfirelighting.com (Craig Newman)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2022 14:03:00 -0400
Subject: Shouldn't space or enter in a menu select the hilited item?
In-Reply-To: <70A75B95-A73F-448C-86FA-E1BB2FB9731C@iotecdigital.com>
References: <70A75B95-A73F-448C-86FA-E1BB2FB9731C@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <12842B27-1D43-4A12-8C8D-47426821E70A@starfirelighting.com>

Hi, I was not complete. Once the arrow keys have found the menuItem of interest, clicking Enter or Return executes the menuPick handler.

Craig

> On Aug 12, 2022, at 7:37 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi all. Very odd, I thought this worked. 
> 
> I am programmatically popping up a menu, then I want to be able to jse the arrow keys to traverse the selections available. If I click any of the choices, the menuPick handler gets the choice as the first parameter. If however I use the spacebar or the enterKey to select a choice, the parameter is empty in menuPick! That isn't right, is it??
> 
> MacOS 10.15.7 LC 9.6.9 rc1
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
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From paul at researchware.com  Mon Aug 15 14:29:20 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2022 14:29:20 -0400
Subject: Polygrid sorting
Message-ID: <d3e79085-1552-b5fe-9289-99c60976a6a9@researchware.com>

So, I bought the Summer Bundle. Yes, it is a good deal.

In my case it was primarily for the Polygrid widget. Our application 
uses a Datagrid to display customer research data. The columns headers 
are text and the left most column ROWs are test and all other cells are 
numbers. Some customers can have quite large data sets and I have been 
running into the number of columns (ad a default width of 100px per 
column) exceeding a GROUPs 32,767px width maximum (about 327-328 
columns). At this point the Datagrid just fails - no data is displayed.

I can now attest that a Polygrid (under LC 9.6.8) does not have this 
limit. I have a "test" stack (for Datagrid testing) I converted to the 
Polygrid and can easily generate 1000 columns x 1000 rows of data and it 
works.

So I guess the answer to bug 
https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23875 is "Use the PolyGrid"

On that note, the Datagrid has 2 features I use in this specific case, 
user column resizing (built into the Polygrid - Yea!) and column sorting 
(NOT built into the Polygrid - Boo!). So, does anyone have some column 
sort code for the Polygrid they have written that they might be willing 
to share?

Also, I have filled a Polygrid enhancement request to allow the left 
column (or the left N columns) to be locked/frozen, so they remain 
visible when the Polygrid is scrolled horizontally. See 
https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23880. If you might benefit 
from this enhancement, please follow the bug or add a comment to that 
effect.



From paul at researchware.com  Mon Aug 15 15:34:39 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2022 15:34:39 -0400
Subject: Polygrid sorting (problems)
In-Reply-To: <d3e79085-1552-b5fe-9289-99c60976a6a9@researchware.com>
References: <d3e79085-1552-b5fe-9289-99c60976a6a9@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <4bf5092d-5a4c-d27d-d6fb-a9245c6ba728@researchware.com>

So there is an example of sorting in the PolyGrid documentation under 
the entry for the MESSAGE "headerClick" and under the entry to the 
PROPERTY "text" (and in 'the text of me')

The example code only sort the visible rows as "the text of widget X" 
returns the data of PolyGrid X as tab delimited, WITHOUT the column 
headers, but ONLY the visible rows.

So, what to use for sorting all the data in a PolyGrid by a particular 
column?

The tsvData of widget X (and csvData, and Text) doesn't seem to work. 
The all seems to only get the visible data (rows). Only the pgData of 
widget return the whole dataset of the PolyGrid. Is this the way these 
properties are supposed to work?

If that is how text, csvData, and tsvData are supposed to work 
(returning only the visible rows), then the sort example in the PolyGrid 
documentation require updating otherwise these properties require updating!



On 8/15/2022 2:29 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
> So, I bought the Summer Bundle. Yes, it is a good deal.
>
> In my case it was primarily for the Polygrid widget. Our application 
> uses a Datagrid to display customer research data. The columns headers 
> are text and the left most column ROWs are test and all other cells 
> are numbers. Some customers can have quite large data sets and I have 
> been running into the number of columns (ad a default width of 100px 
> per column) exceeding a GROUPs 32,767px width maximum (about 327-328 
> columns). At this point the Datagrid just fails - no data is displayed.
>
> I can now attest that a Polygrid (under LC 9.6.8) does not have this 
> limit. I have a "test" stack (for Datagrid testing) I converted to the 
> Polygrid and can easily generate 1000 columns x 1000 rows of data and 
> it works.
>
> So I guess the answer to bug 
> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23875 is "Use the PolyGrid"
>
> On that note, the Datagrid has 2 features I use in this specific case, 
> user column resizing (built into the Polygrid - Yea!) and column 
> sorting (NOT built into the Polygrid - Boo!). So, does anyone have 
> some column sort code for the Polygrid they have written that they 
> might be willing to share?
>
> Also, I have filled a Polygrid enhancement request to allow the left 
> column (or the left N columns) to be locked/frozen, so they remain 
> visible when the Polygrid is scrolled horizontally. See 
> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23880. If you might 
> benefit from this enhancement, please follow the bug or add a comment 
> to that effect.
>
>
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> subscription preferences:
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From marksmithhfx at gmail.com  Mon Aug 15 16:01:34 2022
From: marksmithhfx at gmail.com (Mark Smith)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2022 21:01:34 +0100
Subject: Polygrid sorting
In-Reply-To: <d3e79085-1552-b5fe-9289-99c60976a6a9@researchware.com>
References: <d3e79085-1552-b5fe-9289-99c60976a6a9@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <94E40C36-74A8-485A-B829-E49118656D2A@gmail.com>

Hi Paul,

I downloaded your sample stack, put 100 into the Columns field, heard 3 audible beeps but no data (or PolyGrid) appeared. There is data in the pgcolumnnames and pgdata custom properties (so those values were defined). It’s just the grid that did not appear. Thinking it might be my laptop (apple silicon M1) I tried it on an Intel MacBook Pro and got the same result. 

I am a big fan of being able to lock top and left-most column/rows of any grid and would happily endorse your request.

Cheers,
Mark

> On 15 Aug 2022, at 7:29 pm, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> So, I bought the Summer Bundle. Yes, it is a good deal.
> 
> In my case it was primarily for the Polygrid widget. Our application uses a Datagrid to display customer research data. The columns headers are text and the left most column ROWs are test and all other cells are numbers. Some customers can have quite large data sets and I have been running into the number of columns (ad a default width of 100px per column) exceeding a GROUPs 32,767px width maximum (about 327-328 columns). At this point the Datagrid just fails - no data is displayed.
> 
> I can now attest that a Polygrid (under LC 9.6.8) does not have this limit. I have a "test" stack (for Datagrid testing) I converted to the Polygrid and can easily generate 1000 columns x 1000 rows of data and it works.
> 
> So I guess the answer to bug https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23875 is "Use the PolyGrid"
> 
> On that note, the Datagrid has 2 features I use in this specific case, user column resizing (built into the Polygrid - Yea!) and column sorting (NOT built into the Polygrid - Boo!). So, does anyone have some column sort code for the Polygrid they have written that they might be willing to share?
> 
> Also, I have filled a Polygrid enhancement request to allow the left column (or the left N columns) to be locked/frozen, so they remain visible when the Polygrid is scrolled horizontally. See https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23880. If you might benefit from this enhancement, please follow the bug or add a comment to that effect.
> 
> 
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From paul at researchware.com  Mon Aug 15 16:10:49 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2022 16:10:49 -0400
Subject: Polygrid sorting
In-Reply-To: <94E40C36-74A8-485A-B829-E49118656D2A@gmail.com>
References: <d3e79085-1552-b5fe-9289-99c60976a6a9@researchware.com>
 <94E40C36-74A8-485A-B829-E49118656D2A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <304471d6-fcd0-2157-fd49-845f83d8315c@researchware.com>

Okay, I built the stack and tested it under Windows 10. The 3 beeps are 
intentional. It is to let me know when it is done as some test with 500+ 
columns/rows takes a while. It does display under LC9.6.8 (64 bit) on 
Windows 10.

Now I have to go try it on macOS?



On 8/15/2022 4:01 PM, Mark Smith via use-livecode wrote:
> Hi Paul,
>
> I downloaded your sample stack, put 100 into the Columns field, heard 3 audible beeps but no data (or PolyGrid) appeared. There is data in the pgcolumnnames and pgdata custom properties (so those values were defined). Its just the grid that did not appear. Thinking it might be my laptop (apple silicon M1) I tried it on an Intel MacBook Pro and got the same result.
>
> I am a big fan of being able to lock top and left-most column/rows of any grid and would happily endorse your request.
>
> Cheers,
> Mark
>
>> On 15 Aug 2022, at 7:29 pm, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> So, I bought the Summer Bundle. Yes, it is a good deal.
>>
>> In my case it was primarily for the Polygrid widget. Our application uses a Datagrid to display customer research data. The columns headers are text and the left most column ROWs are test and all other cells are numbers. Some customers can have quite large data sets and I have been running into the number of columns (ad a default width of 100px per column) exceeding a GROUPs 32,767px width maximum (about 327-328 columns). At this point the Datagrid just fails - no data is displayed.
>>
>> I can now attest that a Polygrid (under LC 9.6.8) does not have this limit. I have a "test" stack (for Datagrid testing) I converted to the Polygrid and can easily generate 1000 columns x 1000 rows of data and it works.
>>
>> So I guess the answer to bug https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23875 is "Use the PolyGrid"
>>
>> On that note, the Datagrid has 2 features I use in this specific case, user column resizing (built into the Polygrid - Yea!) and column sorting (NOT built into the Polygrid - Boo!). So, does anyone have some column sort code for the Polygrid they have written that they might be willing to share?
>>
>> Also, I have filled a Polygrid enhancement request to allow the left column (or the left N columns) to be locked/frozen, so they remain visible when the Polygrid is scrolled horizontally. See https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23880. If you might benefit from this enhancement, please follow the bug or add a comment to that effect.
>>
>>
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From paul at researchware.com  Mon Aug 15 16:12:51 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2022 16:12:51 -0400
Subject: Polygrid sorting
In-Reply-To: <d3e79085-1552-b5fe-9289-99c60976a6a9@researchware.com>
References: <d3e79085-1552-b5fe-9289-99c60976a6a9@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <2d8ff1a2-2f92-6874-cac0-2e568f39f7ce@researchware.com>

So I see that the Summer Bundle of widgets in the store has a note that 
says "Latest update 1.0.19: 11 August 2022"

However, the Download button says "Version 1.0.0". Does anyone know how 
to update the widget set to 1.0.19 or how to update a single widget?



On 8/15/2022 2:29 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
> So, I bought the Summer Bundle. Yes, it is a good deal.
>
> In my case it was primarily for the Polygrid widget. Our application 
> uses a Datagrid to display customer research data. The columns headers 
> are text and the left most column ROWs are test and all other cells 
> are numbers. Some customers can have quite large data sets and I have 
> been running into the number of columns (ad a default width of 100px 
> per column) exceeding a GROUPs 32,767px width maximum (about 327-328 
> columns). At this point the Datagrid just fails - no data is displayed.
>
> I can now attest that a Polygrid (under LC 9.6.8) does not have this 
> limit. I have a "test" stack (for Datagrid testing) I converted to the 
> Polygrid and can easily generate 1000 columns x 1000 rows of data and 
> it works.
>
> So I guess the answer to bug 
> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23875 is "Use the PolyGrid"
>
> On that note, the Datagrid has 2 features I use in this specific case, 
> user column resizing (built into the Polygrid - Yea!) and column 
> sorting (NOT built into the Polygrid - Boo!). So, does anyone have 
> some column sort code for the Polygrid they have written that they 
> might be willing to share?
>
> Also, I have filled a Polygrid enhancement request to allow the left 
> column (or the left N columns) to be locked/frozen, so they remain 
> visible when the Polygrid is scrolled horizontally. See 
> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23880. If you might 
> benefit from this enhancement, please follow the bug or add a comment 
> to that effect.
>
>
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> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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> subscription preferences:
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From paul at researchware.com  Mon Aug 15 16:33:31 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2022 16:33:31 -0400
Subject: Polygrid sorting
In-Reply-To: <94E40C36-74A8-485A-B829-E49118656D2A@gmail.com>
References: <d3e79085-1552-b5fe-9289-99c60976a6a9@researchware.com>
 <94E40C36-74A8-485A-B829-E49118656D2A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9f310ee2-3a16-de25-c4e5-7c108440a38d@researchware.com>

I just tested on macOS Mojave (10.14) on an Intel MacBook Pro and the 
PolyGrid and my sample stack work as expected. Tried 10, 100, and 500 
columns/rows.

Now I have to find the MacBook Air with Monterey and see...


8/15/2022 4:01 PM, Mark Smith via use-livecode wrote:
> Hi Paul,
>
> I downloaded your sample stack, put 100 into the Columns field, heard 3 audible beeps but no data (or PolyGrid) appeared. There is data in the pgcolumnnames and pgdata custom properties (so those values were defined). Its just the grid that did not appear. Thinking it might be my laptop (apple silicon M1) I tried it on an Intel MacBook Pro and got the same result.
>
> I am a big fan of being able to lock top and left-most column/rows of any grid and would happily endorse your request.
>
> Cheers,
> Mark
>



From paul at researchware.com  Mon Aug 15 16:49:47 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2022 16:49:47 -0400
Subject: Polygrid sorting
In-Reply-To: <94E40C36-74A8-485A-B829-E49118656D2A@gmail.com>
References: <d3e79085-1552-b5fe-9289-99c60976a6a9@researchware.com>
 <94E40C36-74A8-485A-B829-E49118656D2A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <dec8fac9-c7fb-deb7-df34-08b31a1229ad@researchware.com>

FYI,

I also just tested on a MacBook Air, M1, running Monterey with LC9.6.8 
and the version 1.0.0 of the Summer Bundle widget packs and the PolyGrid 
and my sample stack displayed for me at 10, 100, and 500 columns and rows.


On 8/15/2022 4:01 PM, Mark Smith via use-livecode wrote:
> Hi Paul,
>
> I downloaded your sample stack, put 100 into the Columns field, heard 3 audible beeps but no data (or PolyGrid) appeared. There is data in the pgcolumnnames and pgdata custom properties (so those values were defined). Its just the grid that did not appear. Thinking it might be my laptop (apple silicon M1) I tried it on an Intel MacBook Pro and got the same result.
>
> I am a big fan of being able to lock top and left-most column/rows of any grid and would happily endorse your request.
>
> Cheers,
> Mark
>



From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Mon Aug 15 16:55:33 2022
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2022 13:55:33 -0700
Subject: Polygrid sorting
In-Reply-To: <2d8ff1a2-2f92-6874-cac0-2e568f39f7ce@researchware.com>
References: <d3e79085-1552-b5fe-9289-99c60976a6a9@researchware.com>
 <2d8ff1a2-2f92-6874-cac0-2e568f39f7ce@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <a5a13c00-45d8-e982-a0c1-631ee43611be@sonic.net>

On 8/15/22 13:12, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
> So I see that the Summer Bundle of widgets in the store has a note that 
> says "Latest update 1.0.19: 11 August 2022"
> 
> However, the Download button says "Version 1.0.0". Does anyone know how 
> to update the widget set to 1.0.19 or how to update a single widget?

Yeah. The versioning is wonky and annoying. Apparently the 1.0.0 version 
is always the most recent.

 From a July 27 comment from Steven Crighton on 
https://livecode.com/polylist-widget-in-the-spotlight/#comment-129572

For the moment you have to update the new widgets manually. To do this, 
first log in to your LiveCode account. In the left hand navigation make 
your way to Products > thirdparty. Scroll down this list to find 
LiveCode Enhancements and download that bundle. Inside the bundle folder 
there is a widgetpackinstaller.livecode file  If you want to update 
everything in your bundle in one go I recommend using that. Simply open 
that stack and click the install button. Note  DataView will now be 
PolyList after you have updated.

I updated once and looks like I'll have to again.

-- 
-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com


From paul at researchware.com  Mon Aug 15 17:02:30 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2022 17:02:30 -0400
Subject: Polygrid sorting
In-Reply-To: <a5a13c00-45d8-e982-a0c1-631ee43611be@sonic.net>
References: <d3e79085-1552-b5fe-9289-99c60976a6a9@researchware.com>
 <2d8ff1a2-2f92-6874-cac0-2e568f39f7ce@researchware.com>
 <a5a13c00-45d8-e982-a0c1-631ee43611be@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <b27c2249-5be6-3113-db0c-37b580a52793@researchware.com>

On 8/15/2022 4:55 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:
> On 8/15/22 13:12, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
>> So I see that the Summer Bundle of widgets in the store has a note 
>> that says "Latest update 1.0.19: 11 August 2022"
>>
>> However, the Download button says "Version 1.0.0". Does anyone know 
>> how to update the widget set to 1.0.19 or how to update a single widget?
>
> Yeah. The versioning is wonky and annoying. Apparently the 1.0.0 
> version is always the most recent.
>
> From a July 27 comment from Steven Crighton on 
> https://livecode.com/polylist-widget-in-the-spotlight/#comment-129572
>
> For the moment you have to update the new widgets manually. To do 
> this, first log in to your LiveCode account. In the left hand 
> navigation make your way to Products > thirdparty. Scroll down this 
> list to find LiveCode Enhancements and download that bundle. Inside 
> the bundle folder there is a widgetpackinstaller.livecode file  If 
> you want to update everything in your bundle in one go I recommend 
> using that. Simply open that stack and click the install button. Note 
>  DataView will now be PolyList after you have updated.
>
> I updated once and looks like I'll have to again.
>

Thank you Mark! (and Steven)


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Aug 15 18:03:57 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2022 22:03:57 +0000
Subject: Shouldn't space or enter in a menu select the hilited item?
In-Reply-To: <12842B27-1D43-4A12-8C8D-47426821E70A@starfirelighting.com>
References: <70A75B95-A73F-448C-86FA-E1BB2FB9731C@iotecdigital.com>
 <12842B27-1D43-4A12-8C8D-47426821E70A@starfirelighting.com>
Message-ID: <005E7EDA-5EEA-474F-A7F7-E190C5767F82@iotecdigital.com>

Hi Craig. It's not a popup menu it's a combo box. I do use popup menus and those work as advertized. 

When I click to expand a combo box menu, it I get the list of items, and if I click an item, it correctly selects that item. If however I use the arrow keys to hilite an item then use the space bar or return to select the hilited item, the hilited item is NOT selected, it retains it's previous label. 

Bob S


> On Aug 15, 2022, at 11:03 , Craig Newman via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi, I was not complete. Once the arrow keys have found the menuItem of interest, clicking Enter or Return executes the menuPick handler.
> 
> Craig
> 
>> On Aug 12, 2022, at 7:37 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all. Very odd, I thought this worked. 
>> 
>> I am programmatically popping up a menu, then I want to be able to jse the arrow keys to traverse the selections available. If I click any of the choices, the menuPick handler gets the choice as the first parameter. If however I use the spacebar or the enterKey to select a choice, the parameter is empty in menuPick! That isn't right, is it??
>> 
>> MacOS 10.15.7 LC 9.6.9 rc1
>> 
>> Bob S
>> 
>> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Aug 15 18:16:45 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2022 22:16:45 +0000
Subject: Shouldn't space or enter in a menu select the hilited item?
In-Reply-To: <005E7EDA-5EEA-474F-A7F7-E190C5767F82@iotecdigital.com>
References: <70A75B95-A73F-448C-86FA-E1BB2FB9731C@iotecdigital.com>
 <12842B27-1D43-4A12-8C8D-47426821E70A@starfirelighting.com>
 <005E7EDA-5EEA-474F-A7F7-E190C5767F82@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <1CB05C5D-C279-4972-939B-D273D4058A76@iotecdigital.com>

I should also mention that menuPick IS getting triggered, but if I use spacebar or return to select, the parameter for which item got picked is empty. If I click then the parameter is NOT empty it's the item I clicked. 

Bob S


> On Aug 15, 2022, at 15:03 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Craig. It's not a popup menu it's a combo box. I do use popup menus and those work as advertized. 
> 
> When I click to expand a combo box menu, it I get the list of items, and if I click an item, it correctly selects that item. If however I use the arrow keys to hilite an item then use the space bar or return to select the hilited item, the hilited item is NOT selected, it retains it's previous label. 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Aug 15, 2022, at 11:03 , Craig Newman via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, I was not complete. Once the arrow keys have found the menuItem of interest, clicking Enter or Return executes the menuPick handler.
>> 
>> Craig
>> 
>>> On Aug 12, 2022, at 7:37 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all. Very odd, I thought this worked. 
>>> 
>>> I am programmatically popping up a menu, then I want to be able to jse the arrow keys to traverse the selections available. If I click any of the choices, the menuPick handler gets the choice as the first parameter. If however I use the spacebar or the enterKey to select a choice, the parameter is empty in menuPick! That isn't right, is it??
>>> 
>>> MacOS 10.15.7 LC 9.6.9 rc1
>>> 
>>> Bob S
>>> 
>>> 
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From alex at tweedly.net  Mon Aug 15 19:22:15 2022
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2022 00:22:15 +0100
Subject: Polygrid sorting (problems)
In-Reply-To: <4bf5092d-5a4c-d27d-d6fb-a9245c6ba728@researchware.com>
References: <d3e79085-1552-b5fe-9289-99c60976a6a9@researchware.com>
 <4bf5092d-5a4c-d27d-d6fb-a9245c6ba728@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <604bd606-eba0-79b0-4090-d777bc4e8aa5@tweedly.net>


On 15/08/2022 20:34, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
> So there is an example of sorting in the PolyGrid documentation under 
> the entry for the MESSAGE "headerClick" and under the entry to the 
> PROPERTY "text" (and in 'the text of me')
>
> The example code only sort the visible rows as "the text of widget X" 
> returns the data of PolyGrid X as tab delimited, WITHOUT the column 
> headers, but ONLY the visible rows.
>
I'm using (I think) the latest version 
(com.livecode.widget.polygrid.1.1.1) and I don't see that problem at all.

Both "the text and "the pgtext" return the entire grid (without headers).

I haven't tried csvdata or tsvdata (they're not listed in the 
dictionary, so I'd tend to avoid them if possible.

And come to think of it - why did they need to invent a new property 
name "pgText" ?  It seems to be a synonym for "the text", so would it 
not have been better to just use that ?  Full consistency with many 
other controls, no added "mental clutter", and "the text" colours nicely 
in the script editor, so more obvious if you mistype it.

Alex.




From alex at tweedly.net  Mon Aug 15 19:25:03 2022
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2022 00:25:03 +0100
Subject: Sorting [was: Polygrid sorting]
Message-ID: <99ac10ee-60a1-ab16-f47e-72a709af317e@tweedly.net>

So it occurred to me, while playing with sorting by columns, that it 
might be nice to have an additional "sortType" available.

I'd like to be able to say

  - if all the 'things' being sorted on are numbers, then sort numeric, 
otherwise sort alphabetical.

Would that be a reasonable enhancement request ?

Would "natural" be a reasonable suggested name ?

Alex.



From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Aug 15 19:30:09 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2022 23:30:09 +0000
Subject: Polygrid sorting (problems)
In-Reply-To: <604bd606-eba0-79b0-4090-d777bc4e8aa5@tweedly.net>
References: <d3e79085-1552-b5fe-9289-99c60976a6a9@researchware.com>
 <4bf5092d-5a4c-d27d-d6fb-a9245c6ba728@researchware.com>
 <604bd606-eba0-79b0-4090-d777bc4e8aa5@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <5130FDB3-F9D2-4CCB-B890-ECCD45745967@iotecdigital.com>

I think they are trying to be consistent with datagrid terminology, perhaps thinking that a tabular data object has become a new class of objects. 

Bob S


> On Aug 15, 2022, at 16:22 , Alex Tweedly via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> On 15/08/2022 20:34, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
>> So there is an example of sorting in the PolyGrid documentation under the entry for the MESSAGE "headerClick" and under the entry to the PROPERTY "text" (and in 'the text of me')
>> 
>> The example code only sort the visible rows as "the text of widget X" returns the data of PolyGrid X as tab delimited, WITHOUT the column headers, but ONLY the visible rows.
>> 
> I'm using (I think) the latest version (com.livecode.widget.polygrid.1.1.1) and I don't see that problem at all.
> 
> Both "the text and "the pgtext" return the entire grid (without headers).
> 
> I haven't tried csvdata or tsvdata (they're not listed in the dictionary, so I'd tend to avoid them if possible.
> 
> And come to think of it - why did they need to invent a new property name "pgText" ?  It seems to be a synonym for "the text", so would it not have been better to just use that ?  Full consistency with many other controls, no added "mental clutter", and "the text" colours nicely in the script editor, so more obvious if you mistype it.
> 
> Alex.
> 
> 
> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Aug 15 19:35:28 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2022 23:35:28 +0000
Subject: Sorting [was: Polygrid sorting]
In-Reply-To: <99ac10ee-60a1-ab16-f47e-72a709af317e@tweedly.net>
References: <99ac10ee-60a1-ab16-f47e-72a709af317e@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <C416B1D7-E108-46B2-9F8D-1880D6629A39@iotecdigital.com>

Datagrids have this feature, so yes, I would expect there to be some way to specify what kind of sort you want to do. But it would have to be on a per column basis. 

But if you are sorting the text yourself, you can use the syntax: sort lines of tText by item n of each.

I don't think any assumptions should be made by the engine as to what kind of data each column contains. I worked with an accounting system many years ago which had numeric invoice numbers, or so it seemed. Once you created a credit memo, it prepended R to the invoice number. 

Bob S


> On Aug 15, 2022, at 16:25 , Alex Tweedly via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> So it occurred to me, while playing with sorting by columns, that it might be nice to have an additional "sortType" available.
> 
> I'd like to be able to say
> 
>  - if all the 'things' being sorted on are numbers, then sort numeric, otherwise sort alphabetical.
> 
> Would that be a reasonable enhancement request ?
> 
> Would "natural" be a reasonable suggested name ?
> 
> Alex.
> 
> 
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From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Mon Aug 15 19:43:12 2022
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2022 16:43:12 -0700
Subject: Polygrid sorting (problems)
In-Reply-To: <604bd606-eba0-79b0-4090-d777bc4e8aa5@tweedly.net>
References: <d3e79085-1552-b5fe-9289-99c60976a6a9@researchware.com>
 <4bf5092d-5a4c-d27d-d6fb-a9245c6ba728@researchware.com>
 <604bd606-eba0-79b0-4090-d777bc4e8aa5@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <a87624e5-dc12-b81e-b99e-e7a92f242243@sonic.net>

On 8/15/22 16:22, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:

> I haven't tried csvdata or tsvdata (they're not listed in the 
> dictionary, so I'd tend to avoid them if possible.

I do see tsvData in the dictionary, but I'm getting weird errors thrown 
from the widget when I try to use it. May still be experimental. There 
aren't any examples and the source isn't available.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com


From paul at researchware.com  Mon Aug 15 19:46:38 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2022 19:46:38 -0400
Subject: Sorting [was: Polygrid sorting]
In-Reply-To: <99ac10ee-60a1-ab16-f47e-72a709af317e@tweedly.net>
References: <99ac10ee-60a1-ab16-f47e-72a709af317e@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <97843037-9ab0-804c-640c-13dc5599bcbf@researchware.com>

Perhaps some expansion of the column "pgContentTypeofColumn" property? 
The current possible values are: 
text|svg-lcname|imagedata|imagefile|color|boolean|autoincrement
Allowing the addition of 'numeric' and 'datetime' would at least allow a 
mapping to sorts although sort support 'international' (perhaps should 
be the default for a polygrid column of type "text" and "binary". I am 
also not sure how svg-iconname, imagedata, imagefile, and color should 
sort. Perhaps svg-iconname should sort as "text". Bolean can sort as 
"text" since ascending puts "false" first and descending puts "true" first.


On 8/15/2022 7:25 PM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:
> So it occurred to me, while playing with sorting by columns, that it 
> might be nice to have an additional "sortType" available.
>
> I'd like to be able to say
>
>  - if all the 'things' being sorted on are numbers, then sort numeric, 
> otherwise sort alphabetical.
>
> Would that be a reasonable enhancement request ?
>
> Would "natural" be a reasonable suggested name ?
>
> Alex.
>
>
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> subscription preferences:
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From paul at researchware.com  Mon Aug 15 19:51:33 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2022 19:51:33 -0400
Subject: Polygrid sorting (problems)
In-Reply-To: <604bd606-eba0-79b0-4090-d777bc4e8aa5@tweedly.net>
References: <d3e79085-1552-b5fe-9289-99c60976a6a9@researchware.com>
 <4bf5092d-5a4c-d27d-d6fb-a9245c6ba728@researchware.com>
 <604bd606-eba0-79b0-4090-d777bc4e8aa5@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <137ebad2-86de-5ead-8921-dac56cc3c9ec@researchware.com>

On 8/15/2022 7:22 PM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:
>
> On 15/08/2022 20:34, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
>> So there is an example of sorting in the PolyGrid documentation under 
>> the entry for the MESSAGE "headerClick" and under the entry to the 
>> PROPERTY "text" (and in 'the text of me')
>>
>> The example code only sort the visible rows as "the text of widget X" 
>> returns the data of PolyGrid X as tab delimited, WITHOUT the column 
>> headers, but ONLY the visible rows.
>>
> I'm using (I think) the latest version 
> (com.livecode.widget.polygrid.1.1.1) and I don't see that problem at all.
>

Okay, a widget ignorant question: How do you tell what version of a 
widget you have installed? (i.e where/how do you see 
com.livecode.widget.polygrid.1.1.1)


From paul at researchware.com  Mon Aug 15 19:59:01 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2022 19:59:01 -0400
Subject: Polygrid sorting (problems)
In-Reply-To: <137ebad2-86de-5ead-8921-dac56cc3c9ec@researchware.com>
References: <d3e79085-1552-b5fe-9289-99c60976a6a9@researchware.com>
 <4bf5092d-5a4c-d27d-d6fb-a9245c6ba728@researchware.com>
 <604bd606-eba0-79b0-4090-d777bc4e8aa5@tweedly.net>
 <137ebad2-86de-5ead-8921-dac56cc3c9ec@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <0fe233f8-3a70-3be7-9e10-691b65e8e305@researchware.com>

On 8/15/2022 7:51 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
> On 8/15/2022 7:22 PM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:
>>
>> On 15/08/2022 20:34, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
>>> So there is an example of sorting in the PolyGrid documentation 
>>> under the entry for the MESSAGE "headerClick" and under the entry to 
>>> the PROPERTY "text" (and in 'the text of me')
>>>
>>> The example code only sort the visible rows as "the text of widget 
>>> X" returns the data of PolyGrid X as tab delimited, WITHOUT the 
>>> column headers, but ONLY the visible rows.
>>>
>> I'm using (I think) the latest version 
>> (com.livecode.widget.polygrid.1.1.1) and I don't see that problem at 
>> all.
>>
>
> Okay, a widget ignorant question: How do you tell what version of a 
> widget you have installed? (i.e where/how do you see 
> com.livecode.widget.polygrid.1.1.1)

Never mind. It is in the file name, com.livecode.widget.polygrid.1.1.1.lce

Also, FYI, regarding you note that:

Both "the text and "the pgtext" return the entire grid (without headers).

I haven't tried csvdata or tsvdata (they're not listed in the 
dictionary, so I'd tend to avoid them if possible.

Under the dictionary entry for "polygrid", I see the csvData and tsvData 
properties listed. The "text" property and the pgData property, but NO 
entry for pgText. It would appear, if the .lce file name is correct, 
that I am at the same version, 1.1.1. I am on Windows 10, under LC 9.6.8


From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Mon Aug 15 20:12:37 2022
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2022 17:12:37 -0700
Subject: Polygrid sorting (problems)
In-Reply-To: <a87624e5-dc12-b81e-b99e-e7a92f242243@sonic.net>
References: <d3e79085-1552-b5fe-9289-99c60976a6a9@researchware.com>
 <4bf5092d-5a4c-d27d-d6fb-a9245c6ba728@researchware.com>
 <604bd606-eba0-79b0-4090-d777bc4e8aa5@tweedly.net>
 <a87624e5-dc12-b81e-b99e-e7a92f242243@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <f6060e9b-772a-ae66-3f6c-c0af786ac521@sonic.net>

On 8/15/22 16:43, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:
> On 8/15/22 16:22, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:
> 
>> I haven't tried csvdata or tsvdata (they're not listed in the 
>> dictionary, so I'd tend to avoid them if possible.
> 
> I do see tsvData in the dictionary, but I'm getting weird errors thrown 
> from the widget when I try to use it. May still be experimental. There 
> aren't any examples and the source isn't available.

Correcting myself, I do see examples in the enhancements folder, they 
just aren't installed. There's also a Plugins/Templates/Default folder 
for various things, but I'm not sure what I'm supposed to do with those, 
if anything. If I use just the examples in the folder then the I can 
manipulate the tsvData and it works. But if I try to generate my own I 
end up throwing weird errors.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com


From marksmithhfx at gmail.com  Tue Aug 16 04:33:49 2022
From: marksmithhfx at gmail.com (Mark Smith)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2022 09:33:49 +0100
Subject: Polygrid sorting
In-Reply-To: <dec8fac9-c7fb-deb7-df34-08b31a1229ad@researchware.com>
References: <d3e79085-1552-b5fe-9289-99c60976a6a9@researchware.com>
 <94E40C36-74A8-485A-B829-E49118656D2A@gmail.com>
 <dec8fac9-c7fb-deb7-df34-08b31a1229ad@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <BC325BEA-FA5D-4E11-9750-4913E5ECCD4A@gmail.com>

Hi Paul,

My bad. I don’t have the polygrid widget installed. I bought the summer bundle but haven’t had time to install or play with it. I will try this afternoon and send feedback later. 

Mark


> On 15 Aug 2022, at 9:49 pm, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> FYI,
> 
> I also just tested on a MacBook Air, M1, running Monterey with LC9.6.8 and the version 1.0.0 of the Summer Bundle widget packs and the PolyGrid and my sample stack displayed for me at 10, 100, and 500 columns and rows.
> 
> 
> On 8/15/2022 4:01 PM, Mark Smith via use-livecode wrote:
>> Hi Paul,
>> 
>> I downloaded your sample stack, put 100 into the Columns field, heard 3 audible beeps but no data (or PolyGrid) appeared. There is data in the pgcolumnnames and pgdata custom properties (so those values were defined). It’s just the grid that did not appear. Thinking it might be my laptop (apple silicon M1) I tried it on an Intel MacBook Pro and got the same result.
>> 
>> I am a big fan of being able to lock top and left-most column/rows of any grid and would happily endorse your request.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Mark
>> 
> 
> 
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From klaus at major-k.de  Tue Aug 16 07:33:20 2022
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2022 13:33:20 +0200
Subject: Separate app for iPad and iPhone?
Message-ID: <77286ACB-5125-4D17-9A2D-DCA55514C443@major-k.de>

Hi all,

after wondering why on earth my former Android stack did not scale 
to fit an iPad screen, I finally found that there is a separate menu item
for "iPad" in the "Standalone Application Setting". 8-)
In (a LOT) earlier versions there was one entry for iPhone AND iPad.

Does that mean that we need to build two separate app for iPad and iPhone
and publish both to the app store nowadays?

Thanks for any hint!


Best

Klaus
--
Klaus Major
https://www.major-k.de
https://www.major-k.de/bass
klaus at major-k.de



From merakosp at gmail.com  Tue Aug 16 08:11:07 2022
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis m)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2022 15:11:07 +0300
Subject: Separate app for iPad and iPhone?
In-Reply-To: <77286ACB-5125-4D17-9A2D-DCA55514C443@major-k.de>
References: <77286ACB-5125-4D17-9A2D-DCA55514C443@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq9jf3QOEk2_3pha9OGHLnw9H9RfwYCOd1jZZDxtKM6F7A@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Klaus,

There is also an option for both ("iPod, iPhone and iPad")

Cheers,
Panos
--

On Tue, 16 Aug 2022 at 14:34, Klaus major-k via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> after wondering why on earth my former Android stack did not scale
> to fit an iPad screen, I finally found that there is a separate menu item
> for "iPad" in the "Standalone Application Setting". 8-)
> In (a LOT) earlier versions there was one entry for iPhone AND iPad.
>
> Does that mean that we need to build two separate app for iPad and iPhone
> and publish both to the app store nowadays?
>
> Thanks for any hint!
>
>
> Best
>
> Klaus
> --
> Klaus Major
> https://www.major-k.de
> https://www.major-k.de/bass
> klaus at major-k.de
>
>
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From klaus at major-k.de  Tue Aug 16 08:17:57 2022
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2022 14:17:57 +0200
Subject: Separate app for iPad and iPhone?
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq9jf3QOEk2_3pha9OGHLnw9H9RfwYCOd1jZZDxtKM6F7A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <77286ACB-5125-4D17-9A2D-DCA55514C443@major-k.de>
 <CA+JfEq9jf3QOEk2_3pha9OGHLnw9H9RfwYCOd1jZZDxtKM6F7A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F014B492-E63E-40FD-9F16-BA03A7FF8EB8@major-k.de>

Hi Panos,

> Am 16.08.2022 um 14:11 schrieb panagiotis m via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Hello Klaus,
> 
> There is also an option for both ("iPod, iPhone and iPad")

oh, yeah, sorry, it is very hot over here in germany... 8-)

> Cheers,
> Panos
> --
> 
> On Tue, 16 Aug 2022 at 14:34, Klaus major-k via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> after wondering why on earth my former Android stack did not scale
>> to fit an iPad screen, I finally found that there is a separate menu item
>> for "iPad" in the "Standalone Application Setting". 8-)
>> In (a LOT) earlier versions there was one entry for iPhone AND iPad.
>> 
>> Does that mean that we need to build two separate app for iPad and iPhone
>> and publish both to the app store nowadays?

Best

Klaus
> 

--
Klaus Major
https://www.major-k.de
https://www.major-k.de/bass
klaus at major-k.de



From craig at starfirelighting.com  Tue Aug 16 08:55:13 2022
From: craig at starfirelighting.com (Craig Newman)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2022 08:55:13 -0400
Subject: Shouldn't space or enter in a menu select the hilited item?
In-Reply-To: <1CB05C5D-C279-4972-939B-D273D4058A76@iotecdigital.com>
References: <70A75B95-A73F-448C-86FA-E1BB2FB9731C@iotecdigital.com>
 <12842B27-1D43-4A12-8C8D-47426821E70A@starfirelighting.com>
 <005E7EDA-5EEA-474F-A7F7-E190C5767F82@iotecdigital.com>
 <1CB05C5D-C279-4972-939B-D273D4058A76@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <6E29CF66-888B-45D5-82CA-25F7B5F1B71D@starfirelighting.com>

Yes, the combo box does not return the “selected” menuItem. Likely something to do with its compound nature.

> On Aug 15, 2022, at 6:16 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I should also mention that menuPick IS getting triggered, but if I use spacebar or return to select, the parameter for which item got picked is empty. If I click then the parameter is NOT empty it's the item I clicked. 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Aug 15, 2022, at 15:03 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Craig. It's not a popup menu it's a combo box. I do use popup menus and those work as advertized. 
>> 
>> When I click to expand a combo box menu, it I get the list of items, and if I click an item, it correctly selects that item. If however I use the arrow keys to hilite an item then use the space bar or return to select the hilited item, the hilited item is NOT selected, it retains it's previous label. 
>> 
>> Bob S
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 15, 2022, at 11:03 , Craig Newman via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi, I was not complete. Once the arrow keys have found the menuItem of interest, clicking Enter or Return executes the menuPick handler.
>>> 
>>> Craig
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 12, 2022, at 7:37 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi all. Very odd, I thought this worked. 
>>>> 
>>>> I am programmatically popping up a menu, then I want to be able to jse the arrow keys to traverse the selections available. If I click any of the choices, the menuPick handler gets the choice as the first parameter. If however I use the spacebar or the enterKey to select a choice, the parameter is empty in menuPick! That isn't right, is it??
>>>> 
>>>> MacOS 10.15.7 LC 9.6.9 rc1
>>>> 
>>>> Bob S
>>>> 
>>>> 
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From craig at starfirelighting.com  Tue Aug 16 08:55:48 2022
From: craig at starfirelighting.com (Craig Newman)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2022 08:55:48 -0400
Subject: Shouldn't space or enter in a menu select the hilited item?
In-Reply-To: <1CB05C5D-C279-4972-939B-D273D4058A76@iotecdigital.com>
References: <70A75B95-A73F-448C-86FA-E1BB2FB9731C@iotecdigital.com>
 <12842B27-1D43-4A12-8C8D-47426821E70A@starfirelighting.com>
 <005E7EDA-5EEA-474F-A7F7-E190C5767F82@iotecdigital.com>
 <1CB05C5D-C279-4972-939B-D273D4058A76@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <8B587310-68C0-4A59-84C2-946C856636E4@starfirelighting.com>

Bob.

You can always roll your own,

Craig

> On Aug 15, 2022, at 6:16 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I should also mention that menuPick IS getting triggered, but if I use spacebar or return to select, the parameter for which item got picked is empty. If I click then the parameter is NOT empty it's the item I clicked. 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Aug 15, 2022, at 15:03 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Craig. It's not a popup menu it's a combo box. I do use popup menus and those work as advertized. 
>> 
>> When I click to expand a combo box menu, it I get the list of items, and if I click an item, it correctly selects that item. If however I use the arrow keys to hilite an item then use the space bar or return to select the hilited item, the hilited item is NOT selected, it retains it's previous label. 
>> 
>> Bob S
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 15, 2022, at 11:03 , Craig Newman via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi, I was not complete. Once the arrow keys have found the menuItem of interest, clicking Enter or Return executes the menuPick handler.
>>> 
>>> Craig
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 12, 2022, at 7:37 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi all. Very odd, I thought this worked. 
>>>> 
>>>> I am programmatically popping up a menu, then I want to be able to jse the arrow keys to traverse the selections available. If I click any of the choices, the menuPick handler gets the choice as the first parameter. If however I use the spacebar or the enterKey to select a choice, the parameter is empty in menuPick! That isn't right, is it??
>>>> 
>>>> MacOS 10.15.7 LC 9.6.9 rc1
>>>> 
>>>> Bob S
>>>> 
>>>> 
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From marksmithhfx at gmail.com  Tue Aug 16 09:18:30 2022
From: marksmithhfx at gmail.com (Mark Smith)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2022 14:18:30 +0100
Subject: Polygrid sorting
In-Reply-To: <304471d6-fcd0-2157-fd49-845f83d8315c@researchware.com>
References: <d3e79085-1552-b5fe-9289-99c60976a6a9@researchware.com>
 <94E40C36-74A8-485A-B829-E49118656D2A@gmail.com>
 <304471d6-fcd0-2157-fd49-845f83d8315c@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <32D3639F-A2C6-42F2-A9FE-00E6D60E628A@gmail.com>

I downloaded and installed the widget, it works (very well) now :) 

> On 15 Aug 2022, at 9:10 pm, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Okay, I built the stack and tested it under Windows 10. The 3 beeps are intentional. It is to let me know when it is done as some test with 500+ columns/rows takes a while. It does display under LC9.6.8 (64 bit) on Windows 10.
> 
> Now I have to go try it on macOS?
> 
> 
> 
> On 8/15/2022 4:01 PM, Mark Smith via use-livecode wrote:
>> Hi Paul,
>> 
>> I downloaded your sample stack, put 100 into the Columns field, heard 3 audible beeps but no data (or PolyGrid) appeared. There is data in the pgcolumnnames and pgdata custom properties (so those values were defined). It’s just the grid that did not appear. Thinking it might be my laptop (apple silicon M1) I tried it on an Intel MacBook Pro and got the same result.
>> 
>> I am a big fan of being able to lock top and left-most column/rows of any grid and would happily endorse your request.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Mark
>> 
>>> On 15 Aug 2022, at 7:29 pm, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> So, I bought the Summer Bundle. Yes, it is a good deal.
>>> 
>>> In my case it was primarily for the Polygrid widget. Our application uses a Datagrid to display customer research data. The columns headers are text and the left most column ROWs are test and all other cells are numbers. Some customers can have quite large data sets and I have been running into the number of columns (ad a default width of 100px per column) exceeding a GROUPs 32,767px width maximum (about 327-328 columns). At this point the Datagrid just fails - no data is displayed.
>>> 
>>> I can now attest that a Polygrid (under LC 9.6.8) does not have this limit. I have a "test" stack (for Datagrid testing) I converted to the Polygrid and can easily generate 1000 columns x 1000 rows of data and it works.
>>> 
>>> So I guess the answer to bug https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23875 is "Use the PolyGrid"
>>> 
>>> On that note, the Datagrid has 2 features I use in this specific case, user column resizing (built into the Polygrid - Yea!) and column sorting (NOT built into the Polygrid - Boo!). So, does anyone have some column sort code for the Polygrid they have written that they might be willing to share?
>>> 
>>> Also, I have filled a Polygrid enhancement request to allow the left column (or the left N columns) to be locked/frozen, so they remain visible when the Polygrid is scrolled horizontally. See https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23880. If you might benefit from this enhancement, please follow the bug or add a comment to that effect.
>>> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Aug 16 11:08:15 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2022 15:08:15 +0000
Subject: Shouldn't space or enter in a menu select the hilited item?
In-Reply-To: <8B587310-68C0-4A59-84C2-946C856636E4@starfirelighting.com>
References: <70A75B95-A73F-448C-86FA-E1BB2FB9731C@iotecdigital.com>
 <12842B27-1D43-4A12-8C8D-47426821E70A@starfirelighting.com>
 <005E7EDA-5EEA-474F-A7F7-E190C5767F82@iotecdigital.com>
 <1CB05C5D-C279-4972-939B-D273D4058A76@iotecdigital.com>
 <8B587310-68C0-4A59-84C2-946C856636E4@starfirelighting.com>
Message-ID: <FCBFA170-FB13-4D02-96CB-E09089EBE847@iotecdigital.com>

Thanks Craig for confirming, I will put in an enhancement request FWIW. 

Bob S


> On Aug 16, 2022, at 05:55 , Craig Newman via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Bob.
> 
> You can always roll your own,
> 
> Craig



From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Aug 16 11:19:55 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2022 15:19:55 +0000
Subject: Shouldn't space or enter in a menu select the hilited item?
In-Reply-To: <FCBFA170-FB13-4D02-96CB-E09089EBE847@iotecdigital.com>
References: <70A75B95-A73F-448C-86FA-E1BB2FB9731C@iotecdigital.com>
 <12842B27-1D43-4A12-8C8D-47426821E70A@starfirelighting.com>
 <005E7EDA-5EEA-474F-A7F7-E190C5767F82@iotecdigital.com>
 <1CB05C5D-C279-4972-939B-D273D4058A76@iotecdigital.com>
 <8B587310-68C0-4A59-84C2-946C856636E4@starfirelighting.com>
 <FCBFA170-FB13-4D02-96CB-E09089EBE847@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <96DA5143-E316-4D46-B0E1-B2F47CA12432@iotecdigital.com>

Bug 23884<https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23884>

Bob S


On Aug 16, 2022, at 08:08 , Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com<mailto:bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com>> wrote:

Thanks Craig for confirming, I will put in an enhancement request FWIW.

Bob S


On Aug 16, 2022, at 05:55 , Craig Newman via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com<mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:

Bob.

You can always roll your own,

Craig



From paul at researchware.com  Wed Aug 17 13:38:50 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2022 13:38:50 -0400
Subject: the effective width of a stack?
Message-ID: <5fe0f420-2869-e8a5-027e-e926becf42d1@researchware.com>

I can across some old code where I an referring to

if (the effective width of stack X > someValue) then

This code produces no errors and works. However, I was just trying to 
look up 'effective width' to see exactly what it was doing in the 
Livecode 9.6.8 Dictionary and struck out!

Under the 'effective' entry in the 9.6.8 Dictionary, 'width' is not 
listed as an inherited property that 'effective' can be used with. Under 
'width' it is not listed. If I look at the entry to the 'stack' object, 
I find 'width' but that just takes me to the entry for 'width'

Am I imagining something, OR is there such a thing as 'effective width' 
and if so, where the heck is it documented?

PS. I thought the width of a stack (or window) vs the effective width 
was teh difference between the inner dimensions of the stack (the card 
size) and the size  of the stack with borders and titlebar (outer 
dimensions). I forget which is which and, again, can not find it 
documented! Also, I thought that contrary to the Dictionary entry to the 
'effective' keyword, you could SET the 'effective width' of a 
stack/window to change the size of the outer dimensions(?)

I'd appreciate any pointers to where effective width or effective height 
of a stack is documented.




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Aug 17 13:45:24 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2022 17:45:24 +0000
Subject: the effective width of a stack?
In-Reply-To: <5fe0f420-2869-e8a5-027e-e926becf42d1@researchware.com>
References: <5fe0f420-2869-e8a5-027e-e926becf42d1@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <CA2B2267-1C34-45E6-A30B-2164C5325B71@iotecdigital.com>

The effective keyword can be used with the following inherited properties :

	• backgroundColor property
	• backgroundPattern property
	• backgroundPixel property
	• bottomColor property
	• bottomPattern property
	• bottomPixel property
	• focusColor property
	• focusPattern property
	• focusPixel property
	• foregroundColor property
	• foregroundPattern property
	• foregroundPixel property
	• hiliteColor property
	• hilitePattern property
	• hilitePixel property
	• topColor property
	• topPattern property
	• topPixel property
	• shadowColor property
	• shadowPattern property
	• shadowPixel property
	• textFont property
	• textHeight property
	• textSize property
	• textStyle property
	• filename of stack property
	• rectangle property
	• layerMode property

I don't see "width" there. You have to use rect then do the math. 

Bob S

> On Aug 17, 2022, at 10:38 , Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I can across some old code where I an referring to
> 
> if (the effective width of stack X > someValue) then
> 
> This code produces no errors and works. However, I was just trying to look up 'effective width' to see exactly what it was doing in the Livecode 9.6.8 Dictionary and struck out!


From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Wed Aug 17 13:58:58 2022
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2022 10:58:58 -0700
Subject: the effective width of a stack?
In-Reply-To: <5fe0f420-2869-e8a5-027e-e926becf42d1@researchware.com>
References: <5fe0f420-2869-e8a5-027e-e926becf42d1@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <14f892ba-ed9e-1958-9e34-0c1d7e432881@sonic.net>

On 8/17/22 10:38, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:

> I'd appreciate any pointers to where effective width or effective height 
> of a stack is documented.

You can't use "effective" with custom properties either.
https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23557

You *can* set the effective rect of a stack, although you may not get 
the result you expect.
https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16305

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Aug 17 14:09:21 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2022 18:09:21 +0000
Subject: the effective width of a stack?
In-Reply-To: <14f892ba-ed9e-1958-9e34-0c1d7e432881@sonic.net>
References: <5fe0f420-2869-e8a5-027e-e926becf42d1@researchware.com>
 <14f892ba-ed9e-1958-9e34-0c1d7e432881@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <DEB82872-3C8D-477F-BCFB-022BE8B36B3F@iotecdigital.com>

I think this is why some time ago when I was trying to save and restore the position of windows I ran into the creeping window issue where the top of the window kept creepign up each time I opened it. 

Bob S


> On Aug 17, 2022, at 10:58 , Mark Wieder via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> You *can* set the effective rect of a stack, although you may not get the result you expect.
> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16305
> 
> -- 
> Mark Wieder
> ahsoftware at gmail.com



From dougr at telus.net  Wed Aug 17 14:45:36 2022
From: dougr at telus.net (Douglas A. Ruisaard)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2022 11:45:36 -0700
Subject: issue related to Print.PrintSupport.Source.dll
Message-ID: <059601d8b269$8a8aebe0$9fa0c3a0$@telus.net>

There was a flurry of discussions on the LC forum
https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=9
<https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=36870&start=45>
&t=36870&start=45) in April to July regarding errors occurring involving
Print.PrintSupport.Source.dll.

 

I will post on the forum as well but was wondering if anyone (including the
Mothership) has had similar problems and if solution(s) have been found.
The forum discussions seems to have ended with "some" possible solutions
but, in my reading, nothing definitive.  Like the discussions on the forum
*some* of my clients are experiencing this error but MANY are not. weird.

 

Douglas Ruisaard


From paul at researchware.com  Wed Aug 17 15:46:08 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2022 15:46:08 -0400
Subject: the effective width of a stack?
In-Reply-To: <14f892ba-ed9e-1958-9e34-0c1d7e432881@sonic.net>
References: <5fe0f420-2869-e8a5-027e-e926becf42d1@researchware.com>
 <14f892ba-ed9e-1958-9e34-0c1d7e432881@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <ee32b90a-c3c7-a5fe-f778-f521a862ee34@researchware.com>

On 8/17/2022 1:58 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:
> On 8/17/22 10:38, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
>
>> I'd appreciate any pointers to where effective width or effective 
>> height of a stack is documented.
>
> You can't use "effective" with custom properties either.
> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23557
>
> You *can* set the effective rect of a stack, although you may not get 
> the result you expect.
> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16305
>

I now remember bug 16305. Mark entered it based on a list discussion 
where I reported it. Hence my comments on it. I now use Panos's 
workaround (in fact my code base is riddled with "work-arounds"), but 
there seem to be a (limited) consensus that on Windows 10, the effective 
rect should only factor in VISIBLE border elements, not INVISIBLE ones. 
I still wish they would fix it.

That all said, where is effective width/heigh/rect of a stack/window 
documented in the Dictionary? The 'effective rect' and other 'effective' 
dimension properties of a stack/window are important for multiple window 
positioning, resizing, alignment, and more and should be in teh 
Dictionary. ALSO, as the 1 exception to the "you can not SET 'effective' 
things rule, that should definitely be documented.

I'll file a documentation bug report, but I don't want to file one just 
to find out I looked under the 'wrong' place.

Paul Dupuis
Researchware


From paul at researchware.com  Wed Aug 17 15:51:51 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2022 15:51:51 -0400
Subject: AW: Polygrid sorting (problems)
In-Reply-To: <4bf5092d-5a4c-d27d-d6fb-a9245c6ba728@researchware.com>
References: <d3e79085-1552-b5fe-9289-99c60976a6a9@researchware.com>
 <4bf5092d-5a4c-d27d-d6fb-a9245c6ba728@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <7196ee9c-c1a7-2b8e-df50-33fb48aed57a@researchware.com>

BTW the problem of:
the text of widget X
the csvData of widget X
the tsvData of widget X
AND (not in the Livecode 9.6.8 Dictionary for PolyGrid 1.1.1)
the pgText of widget X
ALL not returning the full data for a PolyGrid widget is a confirmed bug:

See https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23886



On 8/15/2022 3:34 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
> So there is an example of sorting in the PolyGrid documentation under 
> the entry for the MESSAGE "headerClick" and under the entry to the 
> PROPERTY "text" (and in 'the text of me')
>
> The example code only sort the visible rows as "the text of widget X" 
> returns the data of PolyGrid X as tab delimited, WITHOUT the column 
> headers, but ONLY the visible rows.
>
> So, what to use for sorting all the data in a PolyGrid by a particular 
> column?
>
> The tsvData of widget X (and csvData, and Text) doesn't seem to work. 
> The all seems to only get the visible data (rows). Only the pgData of 
> widget return the whole dataset of the PolyGrid. Is this the way these 
> properties are supposed to work?
>
> If that is how text, csvData, and tsvData are supposed to work 
> (returning only the visible rows), then the sort example in the 
> PolyGrid documentation require updating otherwise these properties 
> require updating!
>
>
>
> On 8/15/2022 2:29 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
>> So, I bought the Summer Bundle. Yes, it is a good deal.
>>
>> In my case it was primarily for the Polygrid widget. Our application 
>> uses a Datagrid to display customer research data. The columns 
>> headers are text and the left most column ROWs are test and all other 
>> cells are numbers. Some customers can have quite large data sets and 
>> I have been running into the number of columns (ad a default width of 
>> 100px per column) exceeding a GROUPs 32,767px width maximum (about 
>> 327-328 columns). At this point the Datagrid just fails - no data is 
>> displayed.
>>
>> I can now attest that a Polygrid (under LC 9.6.8) does not have this 
>> limit. I have a "test" stack (for Datagrid testing) I converted to 
>> the Polygrid and can easily generate 1000 columns x 1000 rows of data 
>> and it works.
>>
>> So I guess the answer to bug 
>> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23875 is "Use the PolyGrid"
>>
>> On that note, the Datagrid has 2 features I use in this specific 
>> case, user column resizing (built into the Polygrid - Yea!) and 
>> column sorting (NOT built into the Polygrid - Boo!). So, does anyone 
>> have some column sort code for the Polygrid they have written that 
>> they might be willing to share?
>>
>> Also, I have filled a Polygrid enhancement request to allow the left 
>> column (or the left N columns) to be locked/frozen, so they remain 
>> visible when the Polygrid is scrolled horizontally. See 
>> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23880. If you might 
>> benefit from this enhancement, please follow the bug or add a comment 
>> to that effect.
>>
>>
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From paul at researchware.com  Wed Aug 17 17:52:08 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2022 17:52:08 -0400
Subject: the effective width of a stack?
In-Reply-To: <5fe0f420-2869-e8a5-027e-e926becf42d1@researchware.com>
References: <5fe0f420-2869-e8a5-027e-e926becf42d1@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <ff2592e9-d0d7-3bf6-c69c-80918639c521@researchware.com>

On 8/17/2022 1:38 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
> I can across some old code where I an referring to
>
> if (the effective width of stack X > someValue) then
>
> This code produces no errors and works. However, I was just trying to 
> look up 'effective width' to see exactly what it was doing in the 
> Livecode 9.6.8 Dictionary and struck out!
>
> Under the 'effective' entry in the 9.6.8 Dictionary, 'width' is not 
> listed as an inherited property that 'effective' can be used with. 
> Under 'width' it is not listed. If I look at the entry to the 'stack' 
> object, I find 'width' but that just takes me to the entry for 'width'
>
> Am I imagining something, OR is there such a thing as 'effective 
> width' and if so, where the heck is it documented?
>
> PS. I thought the width of a stack (or window) vs the effective width 
> was teh difference between the inner dimensions of the stack (the card 
> size) and the size  of the stack with borders and titlebar (outer 
> dimensions). I forget which is which and, again, can not find it 
> documented! Also, I thought that contrary to the Dictionary entry to 
> the 'effective' keyword, you could SET the 'effective width' of a 
> stack/window to change the size of the outer dimensions(?)
>
> I'd appreciate any pointers to where effective width or effective 
> height of a stack is documented.

So testing shows that (in LC 9.6.8 at any rate) the following STACK 
properties can use the effective keyword:
height
width
rect (or rectangle)
left
right
top
bottom
topLeft
topRight
bottomLeft
bottomRight

and, indeed, the different between the property and the effective 
property is the property (inside dimensions) and effective property 
(outside dimensions)

The "effective" keyword is ONLY documented with the rect/rectangle 
property in the Dictionary and not for any other dimensional properties, 
even though they work as expected (well except for Window 10: 
https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16305)

It also appears (from testing) that you can set the effective rect (as 
documented in the rect Dictionary entry) and set the effective width or 
the effective height (not documented in the Dictionary). I have not yet 
tried setting the "effective" form of the remaining dimensional 
properties (top, left, topLeft, etc.)



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Aug 17 18:02:38 2022
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2022 17:02:38 -0500
Subject: issue related to Print.PrintSupport.Source.dll
In-Reply-To: <059601d8b269$8a8aebe0$9fa0c3a0$@telus.net>
References: <059601d8b269$8a8aebe0$9fa0c3a0$@telus.net>
Message-ID: <e3a9ea0f-ffd6-f4d8-154a-4556a586fda0@hyperactivesw.com>

The suggested fix in the bug report has worked for us:

https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23659

Basically, delete the driver that comes with Windows and get the driver from Epson. Most of the 
problems seem to be with Epson printers but if your customers have a different printer, try 
that OEM driver.

We had one instance where the user didn't have a printer at all, but just deleting the Epson 
driver fixed it.

On 8/17/22 1:45 PM, Douglas A. Ruisaard via use-livecode wrote:
> There was a flurry of discussions on the LC forum
> https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=9
> <https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=36870&start=45>
> &t=36870&start=45) in April to July regarding errors occurring involving
> Print.PrintSupport.Source.dll.
> 
>   
> 
> I will post on the forum as well but was wondering if anyone (including the
> Mothership) has had similar problems and if solution(s) have been found.
> The forum discussions seems to have ended with "some" possible solutions
> but, in my reading, nothing definitive.  Like the discussions on the forum
> *some* of my clients are experiencing this error but MANY are not. weird.
> 
>   
> 
> Douglas Ruisaard
> 
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HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Wed Aug 17 19:27:46 2022
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2022 16:27:46 -0700
Subject: issue related to Print.PrintSupport.Source.dll
In-Reply-To: <e3a9ea0f-ffd6-f4d8-154a-4556a586fda0@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <059601d8b269$8a8aebe0$9fa0c3a0$@telus.net>
 <e3a9ea0f-ffd6-f4d8-154a-4556a586fda0@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <52cef82a-8d8e-223e-c6e0-0d54d0daf146@sonic.net>

On 8/17/22 15:02, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:

> We had one instance where the user didn't have a printer at all, but 
> just deleting the Epson driver fixed it.

\_()_/

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com


From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Wed Aug 17 21:02:37 2022
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2022 21:02:37 -0400
Subject: i wonder what other widgets i'm missing
Message-ID: <CADCoycPHvmNRKD4pz1VbersvxrnN7Fj3Nr5rM=tAOhGsCf5DCg@mail.gmail.com>

I bought the megabundle and installed the widgets.
Then I started checking out the signature widget, and discover that some of
you have been using it for four years. I didn't even know it existed before
today, and I have a Business license (I also had not been aware of the
polylist/polygrids before the megabundle)
So now I'm wondering
a) what other widgets i'm missing
b) since the widget store is kind of sparse, if there are other places to
look for LC toys, especially widgets?

-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."

From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Thu Aug 18 10:42:48 2022
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2022 10:42:48 -0400
Subject: polylist toys
Message-ID: <CADCoycMNLgDFW2fy8cDuXcgRBJ_vo1CvwHB+rPiPLz9dqGL5Vg@mail.gmail.com>

fiddling with polylist examples, and i noticed in the "lazyLoadOnlineImage"
example that I can trigger an error just by opening it and tapping
"populate"
can anyone else confirm?

-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."

From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Aug 18 11:28:20 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2022 15:28:20 +0000
Subject: issue related to Print.PrintSupport.Source.dll
In-Reply-To: <52cef82a-8d8e-223e-c6e0-0d54d0daf146@sonic.net>
References: <059601d8b269$8a8aebe0$9fa0c3a0$@telus.net>
 <e3a9ea0f-ffd6-f4d8-154a-4556a586fda0@hyperactivesw.com>
 <52cef82a-8d8e-223e-c6e0-0d54d0daf146@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <34168E63-E3FF-4D62-ADB4-BB2CC54108EF@iotecdigital.com>

Not unheard of. Some years back we discovered that if the HP Universal Print Driver had been installed, Toshiba drivers would not work at all. We had to uninstall the HP Universal Driver and replace it with the model-specific driver. 

Bob S

> On Aug 17, 2022, at 16:27 , Mark Wieder via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> On 8/17/22 15:02, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
> 
>> We had one instance where the user didn't have a printer at all, but just deleting the Epson driver fixed it.
> 
> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
> 
> -- 
> Mark Wieder
> ahsoftware at gmail.com
> 
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From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Thu Aug 18 11:48:02 2022
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2022 08:48:02 -0700
Subject: polylist toys
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycMNLgDFW2fy8cDuXcgRBJ_vo1CvwHB+rPiPLz9dqGL5Vg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycMNLgDFW2fy8cDuXcgRBJ_vo1CvwHB+rPiPLz9dqGL5Vg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2b80b8a7-6658-2d6b-61fe-2d649167bb81@sonic.net>

On 8/18/22 07:42, Mike Kerner via use-livecode wrote:
> fiddling with polylist examples, and i noticed in the "lazyLoadOnlineImage"
> example that I can trigger an error just by opening it and tapping
> "populate"
> can anyone else confirm?
> 

Yep. The polylist continually throws ridiculous errors at me.
(=E:/Projects/GitHub/LiveCode-LTD/summer-mega-bundle/src/PolyList/PolyList.lcb). 
And that's at line 2791 (unable to get image geometry) but the source is 
locked so there's nothing more to do.

Also, the versioning thing is out of hand. I just downloaded version 
1.0.0 of the bundle (again!) because I got a bugzilla notice that there 
was a fix in the new version. So I now have v1.0.21 of the enhancements 
packaged in a 1.0.0 zip file, and I see that half a dozen extensions 
have been updated since the last time I downloaded 1.0.0. And there was 
no notification that anything had been updated/fixed/whatever. If it 
hadn't been for the comment Panos put into bugzilla how is anyone 
supposed to know that things have been updated?

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com


From steven.crighton at livecode.com  Thu Aug 18 12:34:08 2022
From: steven.crighton at livecode.com (Steven Crighton)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2022 17:34:08 +0100
Subject: polylist toys
Message-ID: <E90BE055-1AA2-4D85-85A5-25A8F7C52FD6@livecode.com>

Hi Mike, 

I just tested the lazy load example and hit populate and clicked around etc and could not trigger an error.

Can you let me know what the error was? 

I would say just to double check that are you are using the most recent version. I understand that we need to make some improvements regarding the notification of updates on these new widgets and we will do that. In the meantime we have implemented a last updated date in the my account area, so it’s well worth checking in on that from time to time to see if there is a new update available. 

Thanks
Steven

From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Thu Aug 18 12:55:55 2022
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2022 09:55:55 -0700
Subject: polylist toys
In-Reply-To: <E90BE055-1AA2-4D85-85A5-25A8F7C52FD6@livecode.com>
References: <E90BE055-1AA2-4D85-85A5-25A8F7C52FD6@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <0c12a2c5-25e3-9e01-141a-d37c79629c67@sonic.net>

On 8/18/22 09:34, Steven Crighton via use-livecode wrote:
> Hi Mike,
> 
> I just tested the lazy load example and hit populate and clicked around etc and could not trigger an error.
> 
> Can you let me know what the error was?
> 

See my previous email.


-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com


From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Thu Aug 18 13:27:22 2022
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2022 13:27:22 -0400
Subject: polylist toys
In-Reply-To: <0c12a2c5-25e3-9e01-141a-d37c79629c67@sonic.net>
References: <E90BE055-1AA2-4D85-85A5-25A8F7C52FD6@livecode.com>
 <0c12a2c5-25e3-9e01-141a-d37c79629c67@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <CADCoycM7+L4qiXVfybGKDnbdEXrLrYKBi4=8ZDPcND6ceRM-kg@mail.gmail.com>

Steven,
I also emailed Panos: I think it would be good to have a few of the
LCG22/23 sessions cover some of the widgets. The documentation is kind-of
thin, and I'm already stacking questions like:
* polygrid/list vs. datagrid
* much of the discussion is regarding web deployment, but at least for me,
mobile is the important platform, so there should be more discussion about
that
* is there widget source somewhere, or are we going to have to rfq LC if we
would like to request some enhancements? example: for the power button,
maybe instead of a border at the edge, i'd like to be able to inset it.

On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 12:57 PM Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> On 8/18/22 09:34, Steven Crighton via use-livecode wrote:
> > Hi Mike,
> >
> > I just tested the lazy load example and hit populate and clicked around
> etc and could not trigger an error.
> >
> > Can you let me know what the error was?
> >
>
> See my previous email.
>
>
> --
>   Mark Wieder
>   ahsoftware at gmail.com
>
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On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."

From brian at milby7.com  Thu Aug 18 13:34:19 2022
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2022 13:34:19 -0400
Subject: polylist toys
In-Reply-To: <2b80b8a7-6658-2d6b-61fe-2d649167bb81@sonic.net>
References: <2b80b8a7-6658-2d6b-61fe-2d649167bb81@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <E79DC583-26BF-49B0-8AC3-D80034A299D3@milby7.com>

I just rename the zip file when I download it :)

But yes, only way to know currently is to log in and check the version/date.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 18, 2022, at 11:49 AM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> On 8/18/22 07:42, Mike Kerner via use-livecode wrote:
>> fiddling with polylist examples, and i noticed in the "lazyLoadOnlineImage"
>> example that I can trigger an error just by opening it and tapping
>> "populate"
>> can anyone else confirm?
> 
> Yep. The polylist continually throws ridiculous errors at me.
> (=E:/Projects/GitHub/LiveCode-LTD/summer-mega-bundle/src/PolyList/PolyList.lcb). And that's at line 2791 (unable to get image geometry) but the source is locked so there's nothing more to do.
> 
> Also, the versioning thing is out of hand. I just downloaded version 1.0.0 of the bundle (again!) because I got a bugzilla notice that there was a fix in the new version. So I now have v1.0.21 of the enhancements packaged in a 1.0.0 zip file, and I see that half a dozen extensions have been updated since the last time I downloaded 1.0.0. And there was no notification that anything had been updated/fixed/whatever. If it hadn't been for the comment Panos put into bugzilla how is anyone supposed to know that things have been updated?
> 
> -- 
> Mark Wieder
> ahsoftware at gmail.com
> 
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From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Thu Aug 18 13:36:06 2022
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2022 13:36:06 -0400
Subject: polylist toys
In-Reply-To: <E79DC583-26BF-49B0-8AC3-D80034A299D3@milby7.com>
References: <2b80b8a7-6658-2d6b-61fe-2d649167bb81@sonic.net>
 <E79DC583-26BF-49B0-8AC3-D80034A299D3@milby7.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycPrDdrpx+eT+7=tNkN14VDP8mf+5XwnL2JGxg-0Ki0huw@mail.gmail.com>

I am not aware of a place to check the version/date. I received a link for
the download, and I don't see the download as a separate item in my account

On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 1:35 PM Brian Milby via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I just rename the zip file when I download it :)
>
> But yes, only way to know currently is to log in and check the
> version/date.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Aug 18, 2022, at 11:49 AM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > On 8/18/22 07:42, Mike Kerner via use-livecode wrote:
> >> fiddling with polylist examples, and i noticed in the
> "lazyLoadOnlineImage"
> >> example that I can trigger an error just by opening it and tapping
> >> "populate"
> >> can anyone else confirm?
> >
> > Yep. The polylist continually throws ridiculous errors at me.
> >
> (=E:/Projects/GitHub/LiveCode-LTD/summer-mega-bundle/src/PolyList/PolyList.lcb).
> And that's at line 2791 (unable to get image geometry) but the source is
> locked so there's nothing more to do.
> >
> > Also, the versioning thing is out of hand. I just downloaded version
> 1.0.0 of the bundle (again!) because I got a bugzilla notice that there was
> a fix in the new version. So I now have v1.0.21 of the enhancements
> packaged in a 1.0.0 zip file, and I see that half a dozen extensions have
> been updated since the last time I downloaded 1.0.0. And there was no
> notification that anything had been updated/fixed/whatever. If it hadn't
> been for the comment Panos put into bugzilla how is anyone supposed to know
> that things have been updated?
> >
> > --
> > Mark Wieder
> > ahsoftware at gmail.com
> >
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On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."

From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Thu Aug 18 13:40:18 2022
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2022 13:40:18 -0400
Subject: polylist toys
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycPrDdrpx+eT+7=tNkN14VDP8mf+5XwnL2JGxg-0Ki0huw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2b80b8a7-6658-2d6b-61fe-2d649167bb81@sonic.net>
 <E79DC583-26BF-49B0-8AC3-D80034A299D3@milby7.com>
 <CADCoycPrDdrpx+eT+7=tNkN14VDP8mf+5XwnL2JGxg-0Ki0huw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycODVpcTsutfr+NHT0N8m+M8WU4Hs4zrN-WxptfY9an1rA@mail.gmail.com>

after hitting the link, again, I got 1_0_21
The error is the same:

 executing at 1:39:25 PM

LCB Error Unable to get image geometry.

Object PolyList

LCB File
E:/Projects/GitHub/LiveCode-LTD/summer-mega-bundle/src/PolyList/PolyList.lcb

LCB Line 2791

On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 1:36 PM Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com>
wrote:

> I am not aware of a place to check the version/date. I received a link for
> the download, and I don't see the download as a separate item in my account
>
> On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 1:35 PM Brian Milby via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> I just rename the zip file when I download it :)
>>
>> But yes, only way to know currently is to log in and check the
>> version/date.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On Aug 18, 2022, at 11:49 AM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > On 8/18/22 07:42, Mike Kerner via use-livecode wrote:
>> >> fiddling with polylist examples, and i noticed in the
>> "lazyLoadOnlineImage"
>> >> example that I can trigger an error just by opening it and tapping
>> >> "populate"
>> >> can anyone else confirm?
>> >
>> > Yep. The polylist continually throws ridiculous errors at me.
>> >
>> (=E:/Projects/GitHub/LiveCode-LTD/summer-mega-bundle/src/PolyList/PolyList.lcb).
>> And that's at line 2791 (unable to get image geometry) but the source is
>> locked so there's nothing more to do.
>> >
>> > Also, the versioning thing is out of hand. I just downloaded version
>> 1.0.0 of the bundle (again!) because I got a bugzilla notice that there was
>> a fix in the new version. So I now have v1.0.21 of the enhancements
>> packaged in a 1.0.0 zip file, and I see that half a dozen extensions have
>> been updated since the last time I downloaded 1.0.0. And there was no
>> notification that anything had been updated/fixed/whatever. If it hadn't
>> been for the comment Panos put into bugzilla how is anyone supposed to know
>> that things have been updated?
>> >
>> > --
>> > Mark Wieder
>> > ahsoftware at gmail.com
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
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>
>
> --
> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>    and did a little diving.
> And God said, "This is good."
>


-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."

From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Thu Aug 18 13:51:18 2022
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2022 10:51:18 -0700
Subject: polylist toys
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycPrDdrpx+eT+7=tNkN14VDP8mf+5XwnL2JGxg-0Ki0huw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2b80b8a7-6658-2d6b-61fe-2d649167bb81@sonic.net>
 <E79DC583-26BF-49B0-8AC3-D80034A299D3@milby7.com>
 <CADCoycPrDdrpx+eT+7=tNkN14VDP8mf+5XwnL2JGxg-0Ki0huw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3a207b28-ab58-b090-1564-7b3c29bc1ccc@sonic.net>

On 8/18/22 10:36, Mike Kerner via use-livecode wrote:
> I am not aware of a place to check the version/date. I received a link for
> the download, and I don't see the download as a separate item in my account

It's hidden under "Third Party". Scroll down and there's something like 
"livecode enhancements".

Then you download it, unzip it into a folder, launch the IDE, and open 
the widgetpackinstaller stack and click Install. Ignore (Purge) the 
errors about multiple stacks with the same name. When it's done a button 
(!) appears that says "Complete". Clicking it doesn't do anything 
useful. I don't know what happens if an error occurs.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com


From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Thu Aug 18 13:53:05 2022
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2022 10:53:05 -0700
Subject: polylist toys
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycODVpcTsutfr+NHT0N8m+M8WU4Hs4zrN-WxptfY9an1rA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2b80b8a7-6658-2d6b-61fe-2d649167bb81@sonic.net>
 <E79DC583-26BF-49B0-8AC3-D80034A299D3@milby7.com>
 <CADCoycPrDdrpx+eT+7=tNkN14VDP8mf+5XwnL2JGxg-0Ki0huw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CADCoycODVpcTsutfr+NHT0N8m+M8WU4Hs4zrN-WxptfY9an1rA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ee3ebe11-7543-42c6-21a9-5b2f0ca66997@sonic.net>

On 8/18/22 10:40, Mike Kerner via use-livecode wrote:
> after hitting the link, again, I got 1_0_21
> The error is the same:
> 
>   executing at 1:39:25 PM
> 
> LCB Error Unable to get image geometry.
> 
> Object PolyList
> 
> LCB File
> E:/Projects/GitHub/LiveCode-LTD/summer-mega-bundle/src/PolyList/PolyList.lcb
> 
> LCB Line 2791

Yep. That's what I get as well. Not sure why there's a pointer to 
someone's Windows system. I'm guessing that gets bound in when the lcb 
file is generated by the build process.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com


From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Thu Aug 18 14:02:47 2022
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2022 14:02:47 -0400
Subject: polylist toys
In-Reply-To: <ee3ebe11-7543-42c6-21a9-5b2f0ca66997@sonic.net>
References: <2b80b8a7-6658-2d6b-61fe-2d649167bb81@sonic.net>
 <E79DC583-26BF-49B0-8AC3-D80034A299D3@milby7.com>
 <CADCoycPrDdrpx+eT+7=tNkN14VDP8mf+5XwnL2JGxg-0Ki0huw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CADCoycODVpcTsutfr+NHT0N8m+M8WU4Hs4zrN-WxptfY9an1rA@mail.gmail.com>
 <ee3ebe11-7543-42c6-21a9-5b2f0ca66997@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <CADCoycNyS6bRuzm88ZHh8uPoEx9dRsPtKYZsrsDoFzQBBnO-vw@mail.gmail.com>

oh, that's right, it's in "third party". i just hit the download link in
the megabundle email, again.
21 is the latest, according to the site, which is what i just tried, a
little bit ago.

On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 1:54 PM Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> On 8/18/22 10:40, Mike Kerner via use-livecode wrote:
> > after hitting the link, again, I got 1_0_21
> > The error is the same:
> >
> >   executing at 1:39:25 PM
> >
> > LCB Error Unable to get image geometry.
> >
> > Object PolyList
> >
> > LCB File
> >
> E:/Projects/GitHub/LiveCode-LTD/summer-mega-bundle/src/PolyList/PolyList.lcb
> >
> > LCB Line 2791
>
> Yep. That's what I get as well. Not sure why there's a pointer to
> someone's Windows system. I'm guessing that gets bound in when the lcb
> file is generated by the build process.
>
> --
>   Mark Wieder
>   ahsoftware at gmail.com
>
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-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."

From dougr at telus.net  Thu Aug 18 14:18:25 2022
From: dougr at telus.net (Douglas A. Ruisaard)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2022 11:18:25 -0700
Subject: issue related to Print.PrintSupport.Source.dll
In-Reply-To: <34168E63-E3FF-4D62-ADB4-BB2CC54108EF@iotecdigital.com>
References: <059601d8b269$8a8aebe0$9fa0c3a0$@telus.net>
 <e3a9ea0f-ffd6-f4d8-154a-4556a586fda0@hyperactivesw.com>
 <52cef82a-8d8e-223e-c6e0-0d54d0daf146@sonic.net>
 <34168E63-E3FF-4D62-ADB4-BB2CC54108EF@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <02a101d8b32e$e8478b60$b8d6a220$@telus.net>

I VERY much appreciate the feedback … it helps not to feel isolated with a virtually unsolvable issue which affects one’s credibility with clients.  It is somewhat strange that this does seem to implicate LC to some degree, though.  A version of my code which (probably) used whatever LC version was fairly current in 2013 (I should, but don’t, keep track of what version of LC I use for various releases of my applications) DOES NOT exhibit this issue on the very same installations which are experiencing the error.

I would have used LC v 9.1 to produce the standalone which is *VERY* occasionally exhibiting this issue.  So … apparently … sometime along the way, LC changes seem to have “promoted” the potential for this error.

I’ve told the customers that I cannot possible fix something which I cannot reproduce.  I’ve also insinuated that even if LC *does* discover and fix the underlying issue, that I *WILL NOT* re-issue a new version with the VAST majority of 5,000+ installations NOT experiencing a problem … citing the amount of regression testing which would be mandated as a part of such a revision.

Again, thanks for the responses… this group is ALWAYS awesome in its support and knowledge!

Douglas Ruisaard
           
    Trilogy Software
      (250) 573-3935



-----Original Message-----
From: use-livecode <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com> On Behalf Of Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2022 8:28 AM
To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Cc: Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com>
Subject: Re: issue related to Print.PrintSupport.Source.dll

Not unheard of. Some years back we discovered that if the HP Universal Print Driver had been installed, Toshiba drivers would not work at all. We had to uninstall the HP Universal Driver and replace it with the model-specific driver. 

Bob S

> On Aug 17, 2022, at 16:27 , Mark Wieder via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> On 8/17/22 15:02, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
> 
>> We had one instance where the user didn't have a printer at all, but just deleting the Epson driver fixed it.
> 
> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
> 
> -- 
> Mark Wieder
> ahsoftware at gmail.com
> 
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From bduck at mac.com  Thu Aug 18 14:27:25 2022
From: bduck at mac.com (Brian K. Duck)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2022 14:27:25 -0400
Subject: Fall 2022 xAPI Cohort Starts in Two Weeks! 
Message-ID: <F24643FE-4900-4711-AD5F-252002EC46D0@mac.com>



Join us for the LIVE kickoff web session on September 1st
Starting on September 1st, every Thursday for 12 weeks, xAPI Cohort live web sessions will take place from 2:00 - 3:00 pm Eastern (US) Time. We will be sharing the link to the Virtual Classroom in an upcoming email so keep an eye on your inbox! 

Our first session will introduce xAPI and the xAPI Cohort. We'll talk about the projects you can take on, how to join a team, and what makes a project group successful. 

Please don’t feel overwhelmed if you’re not quite ready to brainstorm projects yet.

To join, or Explore the xAPI Cohort website.

https://xapicohort.com/

In past cohorts, we had a team work with LiveCode to build a sample stack for sending xAPI requests to a server. In there any interest in helping to update the project for LiveCode 10?

Brian Duck

From andreas.bergendal at gmail.com  Thu Aug 18 14:49:57 2022
From: andreas.bergendal at gmail.com (Andreas Bergendal)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2022 20:49:57 +0200
Subject: A web app launcher with responsive design
Message-ID: <09E684DF-5A79-4BA4-BDD7-FF931C24A7F2@gmail.com>

I have now redesigned the portal page and made it much more responsive and also with clearer sections for the example stacks:
https://wheninspace.com/portal/ <https://wheninspace.com/portal/> 
(You may need to clear the browser cache, or open the link in a private browser window if it looks the same as before.)

I've also updated the download package and put a link to it from the portal stack.

From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Thu Aug 18 15:04:55 2022
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2022 21:04:55 +0200
Subject: i wonder what other widgets i'm missing
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycPHvmNRKD4pz1VbersvxrnN7Fj3Nr5rM=tAOhGsCf5DCg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycPHvmNRKD4pz1VbersvxrnN7Fj3Nr5rM=tAOhGsCf5DCg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B06D1B0A-9F7F-4796-97F6-7FBCFDDC5433@m-r-d.de>

Normally the release notes of every Livecode version contains also information about newly added widgets.

Regarding the PolyGrid and PolyList widgets. They were first released with the Megabundle. They were not available before.
The original developer posted a year or so ago in the Livecode FB group about Polygrid and posted also a link to an sample stack with  preview version of the PolyGrid widget.
The release of the widget  was promised for weeks later, but that never did happen.

On Mac you can find all in Livecode  included widgets in the application bundle under /contents/Tools/Extensions
Sometimes widgets from Livecode community members are offered in the LC forums. A nice one btw is the gauge widget from Bernd Niggemann
https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=93&t=29348&hilit=gauge <https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=93&t=29348&hilit=gauge>

Regards,
Matthias



> Am 18.08.2022 um 03:02 schrieb Mike Kerner via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> I bought the megabundle and installed the widgets.
> Then I started checking out the signature widget, and discover that some of
> you have been using it for four years. I didn't even know it existed before
> today, and I have a Business license (I also had not been aware of the
> polylist/polygrids before the megabundle)
> So now I'm wondering
> a) what other widgets i'm missing
> b) since the widget store is kind of sparse, if there are other places to
> look for LC toys, especially widgets?
> 
> -- 
> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>   and did a little diving.
> And God said, "This is good."
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Aug 18 15:13:36 2022
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2022 14:13:36 -0500
Subject: issue related to Print.PrintSupport.Source.dll
In-Reply-To: <02a101d8b32e$e8478b60$b8d6a220$@telus.net>
References: <059601d8b269$8a8aebe0$9fa0c3a0$@telus.net>
 <e3a9ea0f-ffd6-f4d8-154a-4556a586fda0@hyperactivesw.com>
 <52cef82a-8d8e-223e-c6e0-0d54d0daf146@sonic.net>
 <34168E63-E3FF-4D62-ADB4-BB2CC54108EF@iotecdigital.com>
 <02a101d8b32e$e8478b60$b8d6a220$@telus.net>
Message-ID: <74e73415-4abe-46fc-19d2-ea7dd72da873@hyperactivesw.com>

On 8/18/22 1:18 PM, Douglas A. Ruisaard via use-livecode wrote:
> I VERY much appreciate the feedback … it helps not to feel isolated with a virtually unsolvable issue which affects one’s credibility with clients.

There is more info in the bug report:
<https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23659>

For us the problem did not show up until users installed Windows 11, and the drivers that ship 
with that conflict with LC, while the OEM driver does not. If Win 10 users are having the same 
issue, it may be that they got an update which updated the older drivers.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com

From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Aug 18 15:52:57 2022
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2022 14:52:57 -0500
Subject: A few issues with web apps
Message-ID: <fbd7ddec-1816-301d-43e5-152b84e1f034@hyperactivesw.com>

I have just created my first web deployment and I'm *very* impressed. I didn't need to change 
any of the original scripts, the only changes were for visual elements that were different when 
run in a browser.  Aside from appearance, the scripts ran flawlessly.

On desktop it's great in all three browsers I tested on. But I ran into issues when running in 
mobile browsers on Android. Does anyone know how to fix these things:

1. Editable fields fail with both SwiftKey and GBoard keyboards, though they fail in different 
ways. The cursor is misaligned on GBoard, I can't type spaces in SwiftKey, and it is impossible 
to drag-select text in either one. Do I need an Android native field? Right now I'm just using 
LC fields.

2. The slider widget does not allow dragging the round indicator button. I can tap the bar to 
get an approximate setting but fine tuning with the slider button is impossible. Rather than 
slide, the whole web canvas moves instead.

3. I have some scrolling fields and the default Motif scrollbar looks awful. How do I implement 
a native browser scroller? Should I use the scripts I use for mobile devices? What's the best 
way to implement scrolling fields?

All in all, everything else works, which is really quite incredible.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Thu Aug 18 16:02:43 2022
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2022 16:02:43 -0400
Subject: i wonder what other widgets i'm missing
In-Reply-To: <B06D1B0A-9F7F-4796-97F6-7FBCFDDC5433@m-r-d.de>
References: <CADCoycPHvmNRKD4pz1VbersvxrnN7Fj3Nr5rM=tAOhGsCf5DCg@mail.gmail.com>
 <B06D1B0A-9F7F-4796-97F6-7FBCFDDC5433@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <CADCoycOXV=zMjYGSrSeYvxheKh2FBFq=ayuv-xRxBqkBQvF_RA@mail.gmail.com>

what is curious is the signature widget, at least according to one of the
threads i was reading, was out in since 2019, but it never showed up in the
list of widgets in my tools palette. reading the thread, it seemed that
some people had access to it, then.

On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 3:06 PM matthias rebbe via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Normally the release notes of every Livecode version contains also
> information about newly added widgets.
>
> Regarding the PolyGrid and PolyList widgets. They were first released with
> the Megabundle. They were not available before.
> The original developer posted a year or so ago in the Livecode FB group
> about Polygrid and posted also a link to an sample stack with  preview
> version of the PolyGrid widget.
> The release of the widget  was promised for weeks later, but that never
> did happen.
>
> On Mac you can find all in Livecode  included widgets in the application
> bundle under /contents/Tools/Extensions
> Sometimes widgets from Livecode community members are offered in the LC
> forums. A nice one btw is the gauge widget from Bernd Niggemann
> https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=93&t=29348&hilit=gauge <
> https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=93&t=29348&hilit=gauge>
>
> Regards,
> Matthias
>
>
>
> > Am 18.08.2022 um 03:02 schrieb Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> >
> > I bought the megabundle and installed the widgets.
> > Then I started checking out the signature widget, and discover that some
> of
> > you have been using it for four years. I didn't even know it existed
> before
> > today, and I have a Business license (I also had not been aware of the
> > polylist/polygrids before the megabundle)
> > So now I'm wondering
> > a) what other widgets i'm missing
> > b) since the widget store is kind of sparse, if there are other places to
> > look for LC toys, especially widgets?
> >
> > --
> > On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> > On the second day, God created the oceans.
> > On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
> >   and did a little diving.
> > And God said, "This is good."
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
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-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."

From steven.crighton at livecode.com  Thu Aug 18 16:19:42 2022
From: steven.crighton at livecode.com (Steven Crighton)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2022 21:19:42 +0100
Subject: polylist toys
In-Reply-To: <E90BE055-1AA2-4D85-85A5-25A8F7C52FD6@livecode.com>
References: <E90BE055-1AA2-4D85-85A5-25A8F7C52FD6@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <087E1D1D-B0D0-4956-A20C-DE679F99871C@livecode.com>

Hi Mike

I see the issue now. If you were to load this in the latest LiveCode 10 DP you would not get that error (this is why I was not seeing it earlier). 

LiveCode 10 has an LCB feature that is required for this specific error not to occur. That LCB feature is not present in any LC9 version

Steven

From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Thu Aug 18 16:29:06 2022
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2022 16:29:06 -0400
Subject: polylist toys
In-Reply-To: <087E1D1D-B0D0-4956-A20C-DE679F99871C@livecode.com>
References: <E90BE055-1AA2-4D85-85A5-25A8F7C52FD6@livecode.com>
 <087E1D1D-B0D0-4956-A20C-DE679F99871C@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycO=T8g9WRdgEASk2SZ=0KAF3Q-MyZKYTVnkcWW-X-SiVA@mail.gmail.com>

confirmed. 10 fixes it.

On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 4:20 PM Steven Crighton via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi Mike
>
> I see the issue now. If you were to load this in the latest LiveCode 10 DP
> you would not get that error (this is why I was not seeing it earlier).
>
> LiveCode 10 has an LCB feature that is required for this specific error
> not to occur. That LCB feature is not present in any LC9 version
>
> Steven
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-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."

From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Thu Aug 18 18:02:51 2022
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2022 00:02:51 +0200
Subject: [ANN] 1-D Barcode generator Widget 1.0 is looking for Testers
Message-ID: <CANbzFDowu4ZY8EkSraMmoayJmhucrKADxRGHvCDJKbKGR_KkCQ@mail.gmail.com>

Dear LiveCode Users:

It has been a long time since I've come with something really new.

So, I'm pleased to announce our first widget generating one-dimensional
barcodes.

Here is the list of the barcodes styles supported:
- Code39
- Code128A, Code128B, Code128C
- EAN8, EAN13
- UPC-A, UPC-E
- ITF

As usual to ensure the best quality possible before a final release, we
need some help for testing this widget outside of our development
environment.
Ideally we will be happy to send a beta version to users interested to
help.

If you have some interest in this new widget and would like to help, feel
free to drop me a note.

Some more informations about this barcode generator widget are available
here:
https://www.aslugontheroad.com/41-barcode-generator-widget-1-0-0-ready-for-a-beta-test



Best Regards,
--
Zryip TheSlug
http://www.aslugontheroad.com

From alex at tweedly.net  Thu Aug 18 18:13:13 2022
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2022 23:13:13 +0100
Subject: polylist toys
In-Reply-To: <E90BE055-1AA2-4D85-85A5-25A8F7C52FD6@livecode.com>
References: <E90BE055-1AA2-4D85-85A5-25A8F7C52FD6@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <d8d35b69-7989-d5d7-228b-c1f3fa7bbb97@tweedly.net>


On 18/08/2022 17:34, Steven Crighton via use-livecode wrote:
> Hi Mike,
>
> I just tested the lazy load example and hit populate and clicked around etc and could not trigger an error.

As already confirmed, that problem is fixed in 10.

However, the lazy load example still contains bugs due to race 
conditions, some of which I described in some forum post somewhere (Boy 
do I hate the forums! Surely there's some way to check what posts I have 
done myself).

Thinking about it more, there are other race conditions which are 
perhaps more obscure, but more serious. I know it's only an example, and 
maybe can't be expected to be bulletproof, but as an example of how to 
do Lazy Loading it is (IMHO) really too naive and simplistic. People 
expect to take those examples and just use them.

The obvious race conditions are:

1. if multiple entries reference the same image, then there is a chance 
the earlier ones never get properly updated (sURLToIndex[pURL] will have 
been overwritten by the next call to onlineImage before the image value 
gets set).

2. if the user (or anything else) resets the dataContent of the widget 
while there are outstanding "load URL"s, then when the downloadComplete 
is triggered, it will set the image value for some random new item to 
the image of the earlier one.

3. And if the one which was wrongly set in case 2 above also happens to 
be a URL that occurs multiple time (i.e. case 1 above), then that 
wrongly set image will remain "forever".

Alex.

From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Aug 18 18:25:47 2022
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2022 15:25:47 -0700
Subject: issue related to Print.PrintSupport.Source.dll
In-Reply-To: <e3a9ea0f-ffd6-f4d8-154a-4556a586fda0@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <e3a9ea0f-ffd6-f4d8-154a-4556a586fda0@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <af0786a0-d4c7-1955-af0a-761cb1d18ecf@fourthworld.com>

J. Landman Gay wrote:

 > The suggested fix in the bug report has worked for us:
 >
 > https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23659
 >
 > Basically, delete the driver that comes with Windows and get the
 > driver from Epson. Most of the  problems seem to be with Epson
 > printers but if your customers have a different printer, try
 > that OEM driver.


The Read Me that came with MetaCard included: "MetaCard is very good at 
exposing bugs in drivers."

It used to annoy me that Raney would ask me to make sure I was using the 
latest driver available from the manufacturer of whatever device I was 
having trouble with (displays, printers, etc.).

I'd say, "But it doesn't happen with any other software!"

And he'd say, "Please check the driver version, and if a newer one 
doesn't fix it let me know."

In nearly every such case since I had that exchange with him in 1999, he 
was right.

Always check driver versions.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Aug 18 18:29:23 2022
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2022 15:29:23 -0700
Subject: Comparison chart for DataGrid, PolyList, PolyGrid, list fields....
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycMNLgDFW2fy8cDuXcgRBJ_vo1CvwHB+rPiPLz9dqGL5Vg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycMNLgDFW2fy8cDuXcgRBJ_vo1CvwHB+rPiPLz9dqGL5Vg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9bd49760-3f8a-a19a-8c44-907fb0c849fc@fourthworld.com>


If a newcomer needs to display a list, how can they know what to use?

Currently we have:

- list field
- Table field
- DataGrid
- PolyGrid
- PolyList
- others?

Is there a chart listing the features of each that I can point new users 
to when this question comes up?

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems


From skiplondon at gmail.com  Thu Aug 18 18:38:39 2022
From: skiplondon at gmail.com (Skip Kimpel)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2022 18:38:39 -0400
Subject: Livecode / Github
Message-ID: <CAO8Ty4NWTBYSLbgt3oV+j5ODOijj4FMnAcibFjUs4czvDh=qSw@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings!

Been a while since I have been on this list.  Working on a new project and
wondering if the backing up of Livecode files to Github was ever
implemented and created.  I know there was talk of it at one time.

I apologize if it has been in place for a while and I am just out of the
loop.  Actually, I HOPE that is the case!

Regards,

SKIP

From mkoob at rogers.com  Thu Aug 18 18:49:32 2022
From: mkoob at rogers.com (Martin Koob)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2022 18:49:32 -0400
Subject: Comparison chart for DataGrid, PolyList, PolyGrid, list fields....
In-Reply-To: <9bd49760-3f8a-a19a-8c44-907fb0c849fc@fourthworld.com>
References: <CADCoycMNLgDFW2fy8cDuXcgRBJ_vo1CvwHB+rPiPLz9dqGL5Vg@mail.gmail.com>
 <9bd49760-3f8a-a19a-8c44-907fb0c849fc@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <2070B206-989F-4155-9A92-1A0688B0C9EA@rogers.com>

Hi Richard

As far as others here are three I know of.


There is the Tree View widget in LiveCode that gives you a hierarchical list.
There is an explanation of that widget here:
https://livecode.fandom.com/wiki/Tree_view_widget <https://livecode.fandom.com/wiki/Tree_view_widget>

There is a third party product DataTree. 
https://www.nativesoft.net/products/datatree/ <https://www.nativesoft.net/products/datatree/>

Levure has its own version of the DataGrid, the DataView
https://github.com/trevordevore/levurehelper-dataview <https://github.com/trevordevore/levurehelper-dataview>
https://github.com/trevordevore/dataview_demo <https://github.com/trevordevore/dataview_demo>


Martin


> On Aug 18, 2022, at 6:29 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> If a newcomer needs to display a list, how can they know what to use?
> 
> Currently we have:
> 
> - list field
> - Table field
> - DataGrid
> - PolyGrid
> - PolyList
> - others?
> 
> Is there a chart listing the features of each that I can point new users to when this question comes up?
> 
> -- 
> Richard Gaskin
> Fourth World Systems
> 
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From paul at researchware.com  Thu Aug 18 18:50:22 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2022 18:50:22 -0400
Subject: Comparison chart for DataGrid, PolyList, PolyGrid, list fields....
In-Reply-To: <9bd49760-3f8a-a19a-8c44-907fb0c849fc@fourthworld.com>
References: <CADCoycMNLgDFW2fy8cDuXcgRBJ_vo1CvwHB+rPiPLz9dqGL5Vg@mail.gmail.com>
 <9bd49760-3f8a-a19a-8c44-907fb0c849fc@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <0176da5b-374a-78c4-c671-59865221f578@researchware.com>

On 8/18/2022 6:29 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:
>
> If a newcomer needs to display a list, how can they know what to use?
>
> Currently we have:
>
> - list field
> - Table field
> - DataGrid
> - PolyGrid
> - PolyList
> - others?
>
> Is there a chart listing the features of each that I can point new 
> users to when this question comes up?
>

No list, but I did discover one reason for choosing PolyGrid over 
DataGrid recently. Large number of columns (such as user generated 
research data). The DataGrid is a group and so is limited to a total 
width of all columns of 32767px, or about 327 columns at the default of 
100px per column. Exceed this and the data stops displaying. I have 
tested PolyGrid with 1000 columns without issue. The Datagrid column 
limit can also be an issue if you are close to the limit and the user 
resizes 1 or more columns to exceed the total pixel limit (assuming you 
have column resizing turned on, which it is by default)




From mkoob at rogers.com  Thu Aug 18 19:03:38 2022
From: mkoob at rogers.com (Martin Koob)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2022 19:03:38 -0400
Subject: Livecode / Github
In-Reply-To: <CAO8Ty4NWTBYSLbgt3oV+j5ODOijj4FMnAcibFjUs4czvDh=qSw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAO8Ty4NWTBYSLbgt3oV+j5ODOijj4FMnAcibFjUs4czvDh=qSw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43CFC7B4-A77B-4970-9567-03FB3CC9835D@rogers.com>

Hi SKIP

Welcome back to the list!

There is Levure which I knew of as a third party application framework created by Trevor DeVore but I just did a search for it and I see it now on the LiveCode website described as an App Collaboration Framework.  https://livecode.com/products/livecode-platform/levure/ <https://livecode.com/products/livecode-platform/levure/>  So it must have at some point migrated to the mother ship.

I haven’t used it but I have considered migrating my application to it.  It works with version control systems as long as you follow its recommendations about how to organize your code into behaviours that are stored in script only stacks which are just text files that a version control system can read (These are somewhat new so depending on when you last used LiveCode they may be new to you.)  This was an enhancement that has enabled the use of version control for scripts in a project. It is the binary stacks that versions control systems can’t track so in Levure those are just used for user interface.

Hope this helps.

Martin


> On Aug 18, 2022, at 6:38 PM, Skip Kimpel via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Greetings!
> 
> Been a while since I have been on this list.  Working on a new project and
> wondering if the backing up of Livecode files to Github was ever
> implemented and created.  I know there was talk of it at one time.
> 
> I apologize if it has been in place for a while and I am just out of the
> loop.  Actually, I HOPE that is the case!
> 
> Regards,
> 
> SKIP
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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From paul at researchware.com  Thu Aug 18 19:20:02 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2022 19:20:02 -0400
Subject: AW: Polygrid sorting (problems)
In-Reply-To: <7196ee9c-c1a7-2b8e-df50-33fb48aed57a@researchware.com>
References: <d3e79085-1552-b5fe-9289-99c60976a6a9@researchware.com>
 <4bf5092d-5a4c-d27d-d6fb-a9245c6ba728@researchware.com>
 <7196ee9c-c1a7-2b8e-df50-33fb48aed57a@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <88f81dd8-9aa5-bc87-3993-85100d2a1b13@researchware.com>

All,

Bug 23886 has been fixed with the latest release of the Summer Bundle 
widget sets. Download from the store.

On 8/17/2022 3:51 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
> BTW the problem of:
> the text of widget X
> the csvData of widget X
> the tsvData of widget X
> AND (not in the Livecode 9.6.8 Dictionary for PolyGrid 1.1.1)
> the pgText of widget X
> ALL not returning the full data for a PolyGrid widget is a confirmed bug:
>
> See https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23886
>
>
>
> On 8/15/2022 3:34 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
>> So there is an example of sorting in the PolyGrid documentation under 
>> the entry for the MESSAGE "headerClick" and under the entry to the 
>> PROPERTY "text" (and in 'the text of me')
>>
>> The example code only sort the visible rows as "the text of widget X" 
>> returns the data of PolyGrid X as tab delimited, WITHOUT the column 
>> headers, but ONLY the visible rows.
>>
>> So, what to use for sorting all the data in a PolyGrid by a 
>> particular column?
>>
>> The tsvData of widget X (and csvData, and Text) doesn't seem to work. 
>> The all seems to only get the visible data (rows). Only the pgData of 
>> widget return the whole dataset of the PolyGrid. Is this the way 
>> these properties are supposed to work?
>>
>> If that is how text, csvData, and tsvData are supposed to work 
>> (returning only the visible rows), then the sort example in the 
>> PolyGrid documentation require updating otherwise these properties 
>> require updating!
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8/15/2022 2:29 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
>>> So, I bought the Summer Bundle. Yes, it is a good deal.
>>>
>>> In my case it was primarily for the Polygrid widget. Our application 
>>> uses a Datagrid to display customer research data. The columns 
>>> headers are text and the left most column ROWs are test and all 
>>> other cells are numbers. Some customers can have quite large data 
>>> sets and I have been running into the number of columns (ad a 
>>> default width of 100px per column) exceeding a GROUPs 32,767px width 
>>> maximum (about 327-328 columns). At this point the Datagrid just 
>>> fails - no data is displayed.
>>>
>>> I can now attest that a Polygrid (under LC 9.6.8) does not have this 
>>> limit. I have a "test" stack (for Datagrid testing) I converted to 
>>> the Polygrid and can easily generate 1000 columns x 1000 rows of 
>>> data and it works.
>>>
>>> So I guess the answer to bug 
>>> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23875 is "Use the 
>>> PolyGrid"
>>>
>>> On that note, the Datagrid has 2 features I use in this specific 
>>> case, user column resizing (built into the Polygrid - Yea!) and 
>>> column sorting (NOT built into the Polygrid - Boo!). So, does anyone 
>>> have some column sort code for the Polygrid they have written that 
>>> they might be willing to share?
>>>
>>> Also, I have filled a Polygrid enhancement request to allow the left 
>>> column (or the left N columns) to be locked/frozen, so they remain 
>>> visible when the Polygrid is scrolled horizontally. See 
>>> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23880. If you might 
>>> benefit from this enhancement, please follow the bug or add a 
>>> comment to that effect.
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
>>> subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>
>>
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From alex at tweedly.net  Thu Aug 18 19:32:56 2022
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2022 00:32:56 +0100
Subject: Polylist widget Lazy Loading images example. [was Re: polylist toys]
In-Reply-To: <d8d35b69-7989-d5d7-228b-c1f3fa7bbb97@tweedly.net>
References: <E90BE055-1AA2-4D85-85A5-25A8F7C52FD6@livecode.com>
 <d8d35b69-7989-d5d7-228b-c1f3fa7bbb97@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <56c60308-313d-4518-049a-707e448299b0@tweedly.net>


On 18/08/2022 23:13, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:
>
> However, the lazy load example still contains bugs due to race conditions

Solution:

replace the card script with the following .... should fix all the race 
conditions I can see.

> local sURLToIndex
>
> on onlineImage pIndex, pURL
>    put  pIndex &CR after sURLToIndex[pURL]
>    load URL pURL  with message "downloadComplete"
> end onlineImage
>
> on downloadComplete pURL, pSatus
>   local tURL
>   repeat for each line L in sURLToIndex[pURL]
>      set the itemPointer of widget "PolyList" to L
>      set the subItemPointer of widget "PolyList" to "url"
>      put the subitemContent of widget "PolyList" into tURL
>      if tURL = pURL then -- still the right URL
>         set the subItemPointer of widget "PolyList" to "image"
>         set the subitemContent of widget "PolyList" to URL pURL
>      end if
>   end repeat
>   put empty into sURLToIndex[pURL]
> end downloadComplete

And in the real world, add in cache aging, limit on number of entries, 
limit on total cache size in bytes, ...

Alex.

>
> 1. if multiple entries reference the same image, then there is a 
> chance the earlier ones never get properly updated (sURLToIndex[pURL] 
> will have been overwritten by the next call to onlineImage before the 
> image value gets set).
>
> 2. if the user (or anything else) resets the dataContent of the widget 
> while there are outstanding "load URL"s, then when the 
> downloadComplete is triggered, it will set the image value for some 
> random new item to the image of the earlier one.
>
> 3. And if the one which was wrongly set in case 2 above also happens 
> to be a URL that occurs multiple time (i.e. case 1 above), then that 
> wrongly set image will remain "forever".
>
>


From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Thu Aug 18 20:31:49 2022
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2022 20:31:49 -0400
Subject: AW: Polygrid sorting (problems)
In-Reply-To: <88f81dd8-9aa5-bc87-3993-85100d2a1b13@researchware.com>
References: <d3e79085-1552-b5fe-9289-99c60976a6a9@researchware.com>
 <4bf5092d-5a4c-d27d-d6fb-a9245c6ba728@researchware.com>
 <7196ee9c-c1a7-2b8e-df50-33fb48aed57a@researchware.com>
 <88f81dd8-9aa5-bc87-3993-85100d2a1b13@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycO4-XLLRsrYy2isSFLAgHvHa_dYE5bksFfC9LrgPgJhjA@mail.gmail.com>

which version is that? 21?

On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 7:21 PM Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> All,
>
> Bug 23886 has been fixed with the latest release of the Summer Bundle
> widget sets. Download from the store.
>
> On 8/17/2022 3:51 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
> > BTW the problem of:
> > the text of widget X
> > the csvData of widget X
> > the tsvData of widget X
> > AND (not in the Livecode 9.6.8 Dictionary for PolyGrid 1.1.1)
> > the pgText of widget X
> > ALL not returning the full data for a PolyGrid widget is a confirmed bug:
> >
> > See https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23886
> >
> >
> >
> > On 8/15/2022 3:34 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
> >> So there is an example of sorting in the PolyGrid documentation under
> >> the entry for the MESSAGE "headerClick" and under the entry to the
> >> PROPERTY "text" (and in 'the text of me')
> >>
> >> The example code only sort the visible rows as "the text of widget X"
> >> returns the data of PolyGrid X as tab delimited, WITHOUT the column
> >> headers, but ONLY the visible rows.
> >>
> >> So, what to use for sorting all the data in a PolyGrid by a
> >> particular column?
> >>
> >> The tsvData of widget X (and csvData, and Text) doesn't seem to work.
> >> The all seems to only get the visible data (rows). Only the pgData of
> >> widget return the whole dataset of the PolyGrid. Is this the way
> >> these properties are supposed to work?
> >>
> >> If that is how text, csvData, and tsvData are supposed to work
> >> (returning only the visible rows), then the sort example in the
> >> PolyGrid documentation require updating otherwise these properties
> >> require updating!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 8/15/2022 2:29 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
> >>> So, I bought the Summer Bundle. Yes, it is a good deal.
> >>>
> >>> In my case it was primarily for the Polygrid widget. Our application
> >>> uses a Datagrid to display customer research data. The columns
> >>> headers are text and the left most column ROWs are test and all
> >>> other cells are numbers. Some customers can have quite large data
> >>> sets and I have been running into the number of columns (ad a
> >>> default width of 100px per column) exceeding a GROUPs 32,767px width
> >>> maximum (about 327-328 columns). At this point the Datagrid just
> >>> fails - no data is displayed.
> >>>
> >>> I can now attest that a Polygrid (under LC 9.6.8) does not have this
> >>> limit. I have a "test" stack (for Datagrid testing) I converted to
> >>> the Polygrid and can easily generate 1000 columns x 1000 rows of
> >>> data and it works.
> >>>
> >>> So I guess the answer to bug
> >>> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23875 is "Use the
> >>> PolyGrid"
> >>>
> >>> On that note, the Datagrid has 2 features I use in this specific
> >>> case, user column resizing (built into the Polygrid - Yea!) and
> >>> column sorting (NOT built into the Polygrid - Boo!). So, does anyone
> >>> have some column sort code for the Polygrid they have written that
> >>> they might be willing to share?
> >>>
> >>> Also, I have filled a Polygrid enhancement request to allow the left
> >>> column (or the left N columns) to be locked/frozen, so they remain
> >>> visible when the Polygrid is scrolled horizontally. See
> >>> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23880. If you might
> >>> benefit from this enhancement, please follow the bug or add a
> >>> comment to that effect.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> use-livecode mailing list
> >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> >>> subscription preferences:
> >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >>
> >>
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On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."

From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Thu Aug 18 20:39:31 2022
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2022 20:39:31 -0400
Subject: Livecode / Github
In-Reply-To: <43CFC7B4-A77B-4970-9567-03FB3CC9835D@rogers.com>
References: <CAO8Ty4NWTBYSLbgt3oV+j5ODOijj4FMnAcibFjUs4czvDh=qSw@mail.gmail.com>
 <43CFC7B4-A77B-4970-9567-03FB3CC9835D@rogers.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycP9zp6XZkjYWyLYXLPY4S_r0pkz0PXkCtHy6SSd17SrEQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Skip, long time...
I don't know if you were around when script-only-stack behaviors came into
being, but you can now rip all of the code out of your stacks and happily
use vc/git. The stacks themselves are still binary (although several of us
have been messing with dumping that paradigm completely, it's less
practical than I would have hoped, as of today).
Navigator will export every script in a project into behavior stacks, and
Monte wrote a stack called "Scriptifier", if memory serves. It's embedded
in the LC bundle, and it does the same thing, namely extracting all the
scripts out of a project and putting them into .livecodescript text files.
Levure is great. I have used it with every project I've worked on for
several years, BUT you don't have to use it to go this route.

On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 7:04 PM Martin Koob via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi SKIP
>
> Welcome back to the list!
>
> There is Levure which I knew of as a third party application framework
> created by Trevor DeVore but I just did a search for it and I see it now on
> the LiveCode website described as an App Collaboration Framework.
> https://livecode.com/products/livecode-platform/levure/ <
> https://livecode.com/products/livecode-platform/levure/>  So it must have
> at some point migrated to the mother ship.
>
> I haven’t used it but I have considered migrating my application to it.
> It works with version control systems as long as you follow its
> recommendations about how to organize your code into behaviours that are
> stored in script only stacks which are just text files that a version
> control system can read (These are somewhat new so depending on when you
> last used LiveCode they may be new to you.)  This was an enhancement that
> has enabled the use of version control for scripts in a project. It is the
> binary stacks that versions control systems can’t track so in Levure those
> are just used for user interface.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Martin
>
>
> > On Aug 18, 2022, at 6:38 PM, Skip Kimpel via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Greetings!
> >
> > Been a while since I have been on this list.  Working on a new project
> and
> > wondering if the backing up of Livecode files to Github was ever
> > implemented and created.  I know there was talk of it at one time.
> >
> > I apologize if it has been in place for a while and I am just out of the
> > loop.  Actually, I HOPE that is the case!
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > SKIP
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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From paul at researchware.com  Thu Aug 18 20:53:12 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2022 20:53:12 -0400
Subject: AW: Polygrid sorting (problems)
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycO4-XLLRsrYy2isSFLAgHvHa_dYE5bksFfC9LrgPgJhjA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d3e79085-1552-b5fe-9289-99c60976a6a9@researchware.com>
 <4bf5092d-5a4c-d27d-d6fb-a9245c6ba728@researchware.com>
 <7196ee9c-c1a7-2b8e-df50-33fb48aed57a@researchware.com>
 <88f81dd8-9aa5-bc87-3993-85100d2a1b13@researchware.com>
 <CADCoycO4-XLLRsrYy2isSFLAgHvHa_dYE5bksFfC9LrgPgJhjA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <651a0a20-7bdf-46b0-771d-a45a24687835@researchware.com>

Yes, Livecode enhancements bundle 1_0_21 (with PolyGrid 1.1.3)


On 8/18/2022 8:31 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode wrote:
> which version is that? 21?
>
> On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 7:21 PM Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> All,
>>
>> Bug 23886 has been fixed with the latest release of the Summer Bundle
>> widget sets. Download from the store.
>>
>> On 8/17/2022 3:51 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
>>> BTW the problem of:
>>> the text of widget X
>>> the csvData of widget X
>>> the tsvData of widget X
>>> AND (not in the Livecode 9.6.8 Dictionary for PolyGrid 1.1.1)
>>> the pgText of widget X
>>> ALL not returning the full data for a PolyGrid widget is a confirmed bug:
>>>
>>> See https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23886
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8/15/2022 3:34 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
>>>> So there is an example of sorting in the PolyGrid documentation under
>>>> the entry for the MESSAGE "headerClick" and under the entry to the
>>>> PROPERTY "text" (and in 'the text of me')
>>>>
>>>> The example code only sort the visible rows as "the text of widget X"
>>>> returns the data of PolyGrid X as tab delimited, WITHOUT the column
>>>> headers, but ONLY the visible rows.
>>>>
>>>> So, what to use for sorting all the data in a PolyGrid by a
>>>> particular column?
>>>>
>>>> The tsvData of widget X (and csvData, and Text) doesn't seem to work.
>>>> The all seems to only get the visible data (rows). Only the pgData of
>>>> widget return the whole dataset of the PolyGrid. Is this the way
>>>> these properties are supposed to work?
>>>>
>>>> If that is how text, csvData, and tsvData are supposed to work
>>>> (returning only the visible rows), then the sort example in the
>>>> PolyGrid documentation require updating otherwise these properties
>>>> require updating!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 8/15/2022 2:29 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
>>>>> So, I bought the Summer Bundle. Yes, it is a good deal.
>>>>>
>>>>> In my case it was primarily for the Polygrid widget. Our application
>>>>> uses a Datagrid to display customer research data. The columns
>>>>> headers are text and the left most column ROWs are test and all
>>>>> other cells are numbers. Some customers can have quite large data
>>>>> sets and I have been running into the number of columns (ad a
>>>>> default width of 100px per column) exceeding a GROUPs 32,767px width
>>>>> maximum (about 327-328 columns). At this point the Datagrid just
>>>>> fails - no data is displayed.
>>>>>
>>>>> I can now attest that a Polygrid (under LC 9.6.8) does not have this
>>>>> limit. I have a "test" stack (for Datagrid testing) I converted to
>>>>> the Polygrid and can easily generate 1000 columns x 1000 rows of
>>>>> data and it works.
>>>>>
>>>>> So I guess the answer to bug
>>>>> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23875 is "Use the
>>>>> PolyGrid"
>>>>>
>>>>> On that note, the Datagrid has 2 features I use in this specific
>>>>> case, user column resizing (built into the Polygrid - Yea!) and
>>>>> column sorting (NOT built into the Polygrid - Boo!). So, does anyone
>>>>> have some column sort code for the Polygrid they have written that
>>>>> they might be willing to share?
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, I have filled a Polygrid enhancement request to allow the left
>>>>> column (or the left N columns) to be locked/frozen, so they remain
>>>>> visible when the Polygrid is scrolled horizontally. See
>>>>> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23880. If you might
>>>>> benefit from this enhancement, please follow the bug or add a
>>>>> comment to that effect.
>>>>>
>>>>>
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From sean at pidigital.co.uk  Fri Aug 19 01:04:55 2022
From: sean at pidigital.co.uk (Pi Digital)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2022 06:04:55 +0100
Subject: Livecode / Github
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycP9zp6XZkjYWyLYXLPY4S_r0pkz0PXkCtHy6SSd17SrEQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycP9zp6XZkjYWyLYXLPY4S_r0pkz0PXkCtHy6SSd17SrEQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9860AEA8-BA22-4047-986E-A904AAB6AD47@pidigital.co.uk>

I tried scriptifier and it broke stuff so just be careful with it and check its output. 

Sean


> On 19 Aug 2022, at 01:39, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hey Skip, long time...
> I don't know if you were around when script-only-stack behaviors came into
> being, but you can now rip all of the code out of your stacks and happily
> use vc/git. The stacks themselves are still binary (although several of us
> have been messing with dumping that paradigm completely, it's less
> practical than I would have hoped, as of today).
> Navigator will export every script in a project into behavior stacks, and
> Monte wrote a stack called "Scriptifier", if memory serves. It's embedded
> in the LC bundle, and it does the same thing, namely extracting all the
> scripts out of a project and putting them into .livecodescript text files.
> Levure is great. I have used it with every project I've worked on for
> several years, BUT you don't have to use it to go this route.
> 
>> On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 7:04 PM Martin Koob via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi SKIP
>> 
>> Welcome back to the list!
>> 
>> There is Levure which I knew of as a third party application framework
>> created by Trevor DeVore but I just did a search for it and I see it now on
>> the LiveCode website described as an App Collaboration Framework.
>> https://livecode.com/products/livecode-platform/levure/ <
>> https://livecode.com/products/livecode-platform/levure/>  So it must have
>> at some point migrated to the mother ship.
>> 
>> I haven’t used it but I have considered migrating my application to it.
>> It works with version control systems as long as you follow its
>> recommendations about how to organize your code into behaviours that are
>> stored in script only stacks which are just text files that a version
>> control system can read (These are somewhat new so depending on when you
>> last used LiveCode they may be new to you.)  This was an enhancement that
>> has enabled the use of version control for scripts in a project. It is the
>> binary stacks that versions control systems can’t track so in Levure those
>> are just used for user interface.
>> 
>> Hope this helps.
>> 
>> Martin
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 18, 2022, at 6:38 PM, Skip Kimpel via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Greetings!
>>> 
>>> Been a while since I have been on this list.  Working on a new project
>> and
>>> wondering if the backing up of Livecode files to Github was ever
>>> implemented and created.  I know there was talk of it at one time.
>>> 
>>> I apologize if it has been in place for a while and I am just out of the
>>> loop.  Actually, I HOPE that is the case!
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> SKIP
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From andreas.bergendal at gmail.com  Fri Aug 19 03:39:27 2022
From: andreas.bergendal at gmail.com (Andreas Bergendal)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2022 09:39:27 +0200
Subject: A few issues with web apps
Message-ID: <52A0C209-091B-48AE-969B-50D59E8A2D9A@gmail.com>

Hi Jacque,

1. I can’t test on Android, but I doubt an Android native field would solve the problem here, as the platform is Web, thus not really natively Android. The LC web engine doesn’t seem to know where it is running, apart from "in a browser”… But do try putting an Android native field in your test stack and see what happens. I’ll test an iOS field and see what I get.

2. I confirm the slider widget/object looks and functions horribly on iOS and macOS too. See next point.

3. Motif makes most standard LC objects look horrible, but the mothership has promised to get rid of that in future releases (please hurry! :).

As to getting scrollers to work, some js seems necessary - see the excellent work by Kangaroo in the forum: https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=120&t=36957 <https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=120&t=36957>
Hopefully that solution can be applied to sliders too. Again, I doubt the native mobile scroller would work, because platform = web.

Actually, my next step is anyway to test scroller stuff in my portal - I’ll make sure to try not just fields but also the slider. I’ll be back! :)

/Andreas

From andreas.bergendal at gmail.com  Fri Aug 19 08:52:24 2022
From: andreas.bergendal at gmail.com (Andreas Bergendal)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2022 14:52:24 +0200
Subject: A few issues with web apps
Message-ID: <03BDE187-324D-42A6-BEC4-1B37D4D59A9D@gmail.com>

Bah, I can only get Kangaroo’s scroller trigger to work if deployed in a separate standalone. No matter how I try to integrate the code in my portal, it just doesn’t trigger.

In any case, the code that works in desktop web browsers doesn't work in mobile browsers, so there is still a problem to solve there. Hoping for the mothership to fix (in-field wheel/touch) scrolling natively in coming dp’s… 

I mean, clicking/touching the actual scrollbar of a field always works, but in a desktop browser you want the mouse wheel scroll to work in fields (Kangaroo’s script does that, sometimes...), and on mobile touching/dragging over a field should scroll it (still unsolved).

From merakosp at gmail.com  Fri Aug 19 08:55:03 2022
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis m)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2022 15:55:03 +0300
Subject: polylist toys
In-Reply-To: <d8d35b69-7989-d5d7-228b-c1f3fa7bbb97@tweedly.net>
References: <E90BE055-1AA2-4D85-85A5-25A8F7C52FD6@livecode.com>
 <d8d35b69-7989-d5d7-228b-c1f3fa7bbb97@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq-k4uxyNaf9xtChxR0xr7vbwoyuC7-zMrjZC5LYN4ZHiw@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

Thank you all for the useful comments.

I *think* the LCB feature in LC 10 Steven mentioned is the "is
valid" operator, that returns a boolean value indicating whether or not the
image data is valid.
Also, note that in the upcoming releases of LC 10 we will add syntax for
checking if a file/directory exists, so we could check not only image
validity but also image existence in the first place.

BTW, we have found a workaround for allowing this stack (lazy image
example) to work in LC 9 as well. The updated bundle will probably appear
in your account area in the next couple of days.

Kind regards,
Panos
--

On Fri, 19 Aug 2022 at 01:13, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

>
> On 18/08/2022 17:34, Steven Crighton via use-livecode wrote:
> > Hi Mike,
> >
> > I just tested the lazy load example and hit populate and clicked around
> etc and could not trigger an error.
>
> As already confirmed, that problem is fixed in 10.
>
> However, the lazy load example still contains bugs due to race
> conditions, some of which I described in some forum post somewhere (Boy
> do I hate the forums! Surely there's some way to check what posts I have
> done myself).
>
> Thinking about it more, there are other race conditions which are
> perhaps more obscure, but more serious. I know it's only an example, and
> maybe can't be expected to be bulletproof, but as an example of how to
> do Lazy Loading it is (IMHO) really too naive and simplistic. People
> expect to take those examples and just use them.
>
> The obvious race conditions are:
>
> 1. if multiple entries reference the same image, then there is a chance
> the earlier ones never get properly updated (sURLToIndex[pURL] will have
> been overwritten by the next call to onlineImage before the image value
> gets set).
>
> 2. if the user (or anything else) resets the dataContent of the widget
> while there are outstanding "load URL"s, then when the downloadComplete
> is triggered, it will set the image value for some random new item to
> the image of the earlier one.
>
> 3. And if the one which was wrongly set in case 2 above also happens to
> be a URL that occurs multiple time (i.e. case 1 above), then that
> wrongly set image will remain "forever".
>
> Alex.
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From merakosp at gmail.com  Fri Aug 19 08:58:19 2022
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis m)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2022 15:58:19 +0300
Subject: A few issues with web apps
In-Reply-To: <03BDE187-324D-42A6-BEC4-1B37D4D59A9D@gmail.com>
References: <03BDE187-324D-42A6-BEC4-1B37D4D59A9D@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq91S5D_MaFfcZtyU4PeNyiWDzmJmZvE6UamO6OxmYsR9A@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Andreas,

To use Kangaroo's sample stack as is (
https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=120&t=36957) you have to tweak
the custom standalone.html that is included in the Copy Files section and
replace "<script async src=standalone-10.0.0-dp-3.js></script>" at line 213
with the correct version of LC 10 you're using, I guess in this case
"<script async src=standalone-10.0.0-dp-4.js></script>"

Cheers,
Panos
--

On Fri, 19 Aug 2022 at 15:53, Andreas Bergendal via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Bah, I can only get Kangaroo’s scroller trigger to work if deployed in a
> separate standalone. No matter how I try to integrate the code in my
> portal, it just doesn’t trigger.
>
> In any case, the code that works in desktop web browsers doesn't work in
> mobile browsers, so there is still a problem to solve there. Hoping for the
> mothership to fix (in-field wheel/touch) scrolling natively in coming dp’s…
>
> I mean, clicking/touching the actual scrollbar of a field always works,
> but in a desktop browser you want the mouse wheel scroll to work in fields
> (Kangaroo’s script does that, sometimes...), and on mobile
> touching/dragging over a field should scroll it (still unsolved).
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From andreas.bergendal at gmail.com  Fri Aug 19 09:21:15 2022
From: andreas.bergendal at gmail.com (Andreas Bergendal)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2022 15:21:15 +0200
Subject: A few issues with web apps
Message-ID: <22040071-8E44-4E6E-9380-A9DC2D87BE62@gmail.com>

Thanks for the hint, Panos - that is useful to mention for those who want to try it.
However, that is not my problem - I’ve already done that! 

Kangaroo’s stack works as advertised, as is (with dp-4 mod):
https://wheninspace.com/test/WebScrollField.html <https://wheninspace.com/test/WebScrollField.html>

But when I try to use the code, either like in the original, where it is inserted by an LC script in preOpenStack, or by extracting the actual js and putting it into the html file beforehand, it just doesn’t trigger. I get no error message, js or LC, it just does nothing.

Actually, it was the same with the ”Meeting space” demo, which has a slightly different scroll wheel script. At first, I took both the resize js and the scroll js from there, but only the resize part works for me. It’s strange since my portal solution apparently catches resize events and passes them on to topStack, but fails to catch/pass scroll events…

/Andreas

From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Fri Aug 19 10:41:36 2022
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2022 10:41:36 -0400
Subject: polylist toys
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq-k4uxyNaf9xtChxR0xr7vbwoyuC7-zMrjZC5LYN4ZHiw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E90BE055-1AA2-4D85-85A5-25A8F7C52FD6@livecode.com>
 <d8d35b69-7989-d5d7-228b-c1f3fa7bbb97@tweedly.net>
 <CA+JfEq-k4uxyNaf9xtChxR0xr7vbwoyuC7-zMrjZC5LYN4ZHiw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycNvpwOBhiEM+nxHErkbBEnGY+_Mjmk2qTtxn-xnLFOkeQ@mail.gmail.com>

while we're on the topic, i was just having a conversation off-list and it
reminded me: we really should do another lcb class.
i looked at lcb a couple of times, messed with it, and then said "meh", and
moved on.

On Fri, Aug 19, 2022 at 8:56 AM panagiotis m via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Thank you all for the useful comments.
>
> I *think* the LCB feature in LC 10 Steven mentioned is the "is
> valid" operator, that returns a boolean value indicating whether or not the
> image data is valid.
> Also, note that in the upcoming releases of LC 10 we will add syntax for
> checking if a file/directory exists, so we could check not only image
> validity but also image existence in the first place.
>
> BTW, we have found a workaround for allowing this stack (lazy image
> example) to work in LC 9 as well. The updated bundle will probably appear
> in your account area in the next couple of days.
>
> Kind regards,
> Panos
> --
>
> On Fri, 19 Aug 2022 at 01:13, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > On 18/08/2022 17:34, Steven Crighton via use-livecode wrote:
> > > Hi Mike,
> > >
> > > I just tested the lazy load example and hit populate and clicked around
> > etc and could not trigger an error.
> >
> > As already confirmed, that problem is fixed in 10.
> >
> > However, the lazy load example still contains bugs due to race
> > conditions, some of which I described in some forum post somewhere (Boy
> > do I hate the forums! Surely there's some way to check what posts I have
> > done myself).
> >
> > Thinking about it more, there are other race conditions which are
> > perhaps more obscure, but more serious. I know it's only an example, and
> > maybe can't be expected to be bulletproof, but as an example of how to
> > do Lazy Loading it is (IMHO) really too naive and simplistic. People
> > expect to take those examples and just use them.
> >
> > The obvious race conditions are:
> >
> > 1. if multiple entries reference the same image, then there is a chance
> > the earlier ones never get properly updated (sURLToIndex[pURL] will have
> > been overwritten by the next call to onlineImage before the image value
> > gets set).
> >
> > 2. if the user (or anything else) resets the dataContent of the widget
> > while there are outstanding "load URL"s, then when the downloadComplete
> > is triggered, it will set the image value for some random new item to
> > the image of the earlier one.
> >
> > 3. And if the one which was wrongly set in case 2 above also happens to
> > be a URL that occurs multiple time (i.e. case 1 above), then that
> > wrongly set image will remain "forever".
> >
> > Alex.
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > subscription preferences:
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On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."

From merakosp at gmail.com  Fri Aug 19 11:00:41 2022
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis m)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2022 18:00:41 +0300
Subject: A few issues with web apps
In-Reply-To: <22040071-8E44-4E6E-9380-A9DC2D87BE62@gmail.com>
References: <22040071-8E44-4E6E-9380-A9DC2D87BE62@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq9ToE-BRTOP-d+6JpxM=+SN-SXrvevmRMWuWrjt3E75pQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all,

BTW, I just wrote a lesson on how to scroll a LC text field on Web using
<do .. as javascript>:

https://lessons.livecode.com/m/2592/l/1595736-scrolling-a-livecode-text-field-on-web-using-javascript

Cheers,
Panos
--

On Fri, 19 Aug 2022 at 16:22, Andreas Bergendal via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Thanks for the hint, Panos - that is useful to mention for those who want
> to try it.
> However, that is not my problem - I’ve already done that!
>
> Kangaroo’s stack works as advertised, as is (with dp-4 mod):
> https://wheninspace.com/test/WebScrollField.html <
> https://wheninspace.com/test/WebScrollField.html>
>
> But when I try to use the code, either like in the original, where it is
> inserted by an LC script in preOpenStack, or by extracting the actual js
> and putting it into the html file beforehand, it just doesn’t trigger. I
> get no error message, js or LC, it just does nothing.
>
> Actually, it was the same with the ”Meeting space” demo, which has a
> slightly different scroll wheel script. At first, I took both the resize js
> and the scroll js from there, but only the resize part works for me. It’s
> strange since my portal solution apparently catches resize events and
> passes them on to topStack, but fails to catch/pass scroll events…
>
> /Andreas
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Aug 19 11:16:55 2022
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2022 10:16:55 -0500
Subject: A few issues with web apps
In-Reply-To: <22040071-8E44-4E6E-9380-A9DC2D87BE62@gmail.com>
References: <22040071-8E44-4E6E-9380-A9DC2D87BE62@gmail.com>
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I just tried the kangaroo example on your web site using my Android tablet. 
It behaves just like my slider widget. I can tap in the scrollbar to get 
the field scroll to jump but the indicator can't be moved. When I try, the 
whole canvas moves instead.

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On August 19, 2022 8:23:25 AM Andreas Bergendal via use-livecode 
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Thanks for the hint, Panos - that is useful to mention for those who want 
> to try it.
> However, that is not my problem - Ive already done that!
>
> Kangaroos stack works as advertised, as is (with dp-4 mod):
> https://wheninspace.com/test/WebScrollField.html 
> <https://wheninspace.com/test/WebScrollField.html>
>
> But when I try to use the code, either like in the original, where it is 
> inserted by an LC script in preOpenStack, or by extracting the actual js 
> and putting it into the html file beforehand, it just doesnt trigger. I 
> get no error message, js or LC, it just does nothing.
>
> Actually, it was the same with the Meeting space demo, which has a 
> slightly different scroll wheel script. At first, I took both the resize js 
> and the scroll js from there, but only the resize part works for me. Its 
> strange since my portal solution apparently catches resize events and 
> passes them on to topStack, but fails to catch/pass scroll events
>
> /Andreas
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From alex at tweedly.net  Fri Aug 19 13:16:37 2022
From: alex at tweedly.net (Tweedly)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2022 18:16:37 +0100
Subject: A few issues with web apps
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq9ToE-BRTOP-d+6JpxM=+SN-SXrvevmRMWuWrjt3E75pQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+JfEq9ToE-BRTOP-d+6JpxM=+SN-SXrvevmRMWuWrjt3E75pQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3A71F07E-2984-4797-AA82-3F9B63999504@tweedly.net>


> On 19 Aug 2022, at 16:01, panagiotis m via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> BTW, I just wrote a lesson on how to scroll a LC text field on Web using
> <do .. as javascript>:
>> 
Thank you. 
But at the risk of sounding ungrateful - please don’t.
Please just make basic functionality like resizing, scrolling, etc. Work properly and nicely out of the box.
Alex.


From paul at researchware.com  Fri Aug 19 17:09:39 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2022 17:09:39 -0400
Subject: Livecode performance problem
Message-ID: <c9167335-177e-87b1-7da7-b9a8b9028cab@researchware.com>

I have a set of fields, call them A, B, C, and D. Each has the same 
number of lines. Each field has different text (per line)

I need to combine the data - frequently - into a form that look like:

<i><tab><line i of fld A><tab><line i of fld B><tab><line i of fld 
C><tab><line i of fld D><cr>

For the number of lines in the set of fields. Currently I do this as 
follows:

put empty into vCombined
put fld A into v1
put fld B into v2
put fld C into v3
put fld D into v4
repeat with i=1 to the number of lines in v1
   put i &tab& line i of v1 &tab& line i of v2 &tab& line i of v3 &tab& 
line i of v4 into line i of vCombined
end repeat

I put the field contents into variable before the loop to combine them 
as my understanding is variable access is faster than field access in a loop

My question to the Hivemind is: Is there a noticeably faster way to 
covert these field to the tab delimited structure as show above than the 
code above?

This current takes about 20 seconds for 2000 lines or about a second per 
100 lines (very roughly, I was not using a timer in my code, just my 
wristwatch seconds in the IDE debugger between breakpoints)

Thank you for any pointers in advance,

Paul Dupuis
Researchware



From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Aug 19 18:07:52 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2022 22:07:52 +0000
Subject: Livecode performance problem
In-Reply-To: <c9167335-177e-87b1-7da7-b9a8b9028cab@researchware.com>
References: <c9167335-177e-87b1-7da7-b9a8b9028cab@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <68DC59EA-3206-4A23-8BB3-D35ECDB86619@iotecdigital.com>

Off the top of my head:

split v1 by tab
split v2 by tab
split v3 by tab
split v4 by tab

put the keys of v1 into tKeyList
sort tKeyList ascending numeric

repeat for each line tKey in tKeyList
   put tKey & tab & v1 [tKey] & tab & v2 [tKey] & tab & v3 [tKey] & tab & v4 [tKey] & cr after tCombined
end repeat

Not sure if this will be faster, but every time you refer to a line of a string the engine has to parse out where that line is from the beginning. Parsing times will increase exponentially (is that the right term?) the more lines you are parsing in both the source strings AND the destination string. 

But arrays are indexed memory locations so the engine knows exactly where every bit of text is. And putting something after a string does not have to parse to find the end, the engine knows where that is in memory. It might be even faster though if you build an array as output and then use the combine command to convert it all at once to a string. 

I am assuming of course that splitting does not put lines of text in random order in the array. Arrays can be dicey that way. 

Bob S



> On Aug 19, 2022, at 14:09 , Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I have a set of fields, call them A, B, C, and D. Each has the same number of lines. Each field has different text (per line)
> 
> I need to combine the data - frequently - into a form that look like:
> 
> <i><tab><line i of fld A><tab><line i of fld B><tab><line i of fld C><tab><line i of fld D><cr>
> 
> For the number of lines in the set of fields. Currently I do this as follows:
> 
> put empty into vCombined
> put fld A into v1
> put fld B into v2
> put fld C into v3
> put fld D into v4
> repeat with i=1 to the number of lines in v1
>   put i &tab& line i of v1 &tab& line i of v2 &tab& line i of v3 &tab& line i of v4 into line i of vCombined
> end repeat
> 
> I put the field contents into variable before the loop to combine them as my understanding is variable access is faster than field access in a loop
> 
> My question to the Hivemind is: Is there a noticeably faster way to covert these field to the tab delimited structure as show above than the code above?
> 
> This current takes about 20 seconds for 2000 lines or about a second per 100 lines (very roughly, I was not using a timer in my code, just my wristwatch seconds in the IDE debugger between breakpoints)
> 
> Thank you for any pointers in advance,
> 
> Paul Dupuis
> Researchware
> 
> 
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From brian at milby7.com  Fri Aug 19 18:13:04 2022
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2022 18:13:04 -0400
Subject: Livecode performance problem
In-Reply-To: <c9167335-177e-87b1-7da7-b9a8b9028cab@researchware.com>
References: <c9167335-177e-87b1-7da7-b9a8b9028cab@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <2C1E62C0-0048-4841-AC72-6BFAC56C9A35@milby7.com>

First optimization would be to put … & cr after vCombined and then delete the trailing from when done.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 19, 2022, at 5:11 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I have a set of fields, call them A, B, C, and D. Each has the same number of lines. Each field has different text (per line)
> 
> I need to combine the data - frequently - into a form that look like:
> 
> <i><tab><line i of fld A><tab><line i of fld B><tab><line i of fld C><tab><line i of fld D><cr>
> 
> For the number of lines in the set of fields. Currently I do this as follows:
> 
> put empty into vCombined
> put fld A into v1
> put fld B into v2
> put fld C into v3
> put fld D into v4
> repeat with i=1 to the number of lines in v1
>   put i &tab& line i of v1 &tab& line i of v2 &tab& line i of v3 &tab& line i of v4 into line i of vCombined
> end repeat
> 
> I put the field contents into variable before the loop to combine them as my understanding is variable access is faster than field access in a loop
> 
> My question to the Hivemind is: Is there a noticeably faster way to covert these field to the tab delimited structure as show above than the code above?
> 
> This current takes about 20 seconds for 2000 lines or about a second per 100 lines (very roughly, I was not using a timer in my code, just my wristwatch seconds in the IDE debugger between breakpoints)
> 
> Thank you for any pointers in advance,
> 
> Paul Dupuis
> Researchware
> 
> 
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From brian at milby7.com  Fri Aug 19 18:25:48 2022
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2022 18:25:48 -0400
Subject: Livecode performance problem
In-Reply-To: <68DC59EA-3206-4A23-8BB3-D35ECDB86619@iotecdigital.com>
References: <c9167335-177e-87b1-7da7-b9a8b9028cab@researchware.com>
 <68DC59EA-3206-4A23-8BB3-D35ECDB86619@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CA+yhkRZT_jbbhOEafF+=EGku+SLk4GaG-mbmJuAza1hGO6k5kA@mail.gmail.com>

Based on what Bob said, here is my version of that handler:

on mouseUp
   local tA, tB, tC, tD, tAll, tStart, tEnd
   put fld "A" into tA
   put fld "B" into tB
   put fld "C" into tC
   put fld "D" into tD
   --
   put the milliseconds into tStart
   split tA by cr
   split tB by cr
   split tC by cr
   split tD by cr
   repeat with i=1 to the number of lines of the keys of tA
      put i & tab & tA[i] & tab & tB[i] & tab & tC[i] & tab & tD[i] & cr
after tAll
   end repeat
   delete the last char of tAll
   put the milliseconds into tEnd
   put (tEnd - tStart) & cr & tAll into fld "result"
end mouseUp

I used very short lines, but this way was 3/4ms; my initial method was
6/7ms; your original method was 15/16ms.

On Fri, Aug 19, 2022 at 6:09 PM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Off the top of my head:
>
> split v1 by tab
> split v2 by tab
> split v3 by tab
> split v4 by tab
>
> put the keys of v1 into tKeyList
> sort tKeyList ascending numeric
>
> repeat for each line tKey in tKeyList
>    put tKey & tab & v1 [tKey] & tab & v2 [tKey] & tab & v3 [tKey] & tab &
> v4 [tKey] & cr after tCombined
> end repeat
>
> Not sure if this will be faster, but every time you refer to a line of a
> string the engine has to parse out where that line is from the beginning.
> Parsing times will increase exponentially (is that the right term?) the
> more lines you are parsing in both the source strings AND the destination
> string.
>
> But arrays are indexed memory locations so the engine knows exactly where
> every bit of text is. And putting something after a string does not have to
> parse to find the end, the engine knows where that is in memory. It might
> be even faster though if you build an array as output and then use the
> combine command to convert it all at once to a string.
>
> I am assuming of course that splitting does not put lines of text in
> random order in the array. Arrays can be dicey that way.
>
> Bob S
>
>
>
> > On Aug 19, 2022, at 14:09 , Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > I have a set of fields, call them A, B, C, and D. Each has the same
> number of lines. Each field has different text (per line)
> >
> > I need to combine the data - frequently - into a form that look like:
> >
> > <i><tab><line i of fld A><tab><line i of fld B><tab><line i of fld
> C><tab><line i of fld D><cr>
> >
> > For the number of lines in the set of fields. Currently I do this as
> follows:
> >
> > put empty into vCombined
> > put fld A into v1
> > put fld B into v2
> > put fld C into v3
> > put fld D into v4
> > repeat with i=1 to the number of lines in v1
> >   put i &tab& line i of v1 &tab& line i of v2 &tab& line i of v3 &tab&
> line i of v4 into line i of vCombined
> > end repeat
> >
> > I put the field contents into variable before the loop to combine them
> as my understanding is variable access is faster than field access in a loop
> >
> > My question to the Hivemind is: Is there a noticeably faster way to
> covert these field to the tab delimited structure as show above than the
> code above?
> >
> > This current takes about 20 seconds for 2000 lines or about a second per
> 100 lines (very roughly, I was not using a timer in my code, just my
> wristwatch seconds in the IDE debugger between breakpoints)
> >
> > Thank you for any pointers in advance,
> >
> > Paul Dupuis
> > Researchware
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>
>
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From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Fri Aug 19 18:32:37 2022
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2022 15:32:37 -0700
Subject: Livecode performance problem
In-Reply-To: <68DC59EA-3206-4A23-8BB3-D35ECDB86619@iotecdigital.com>
References: <c9167335-177e-87b1-7da7-b9a8b9028cab@researchware.com>
 <68DC59EA-3206-4A23-8BB3-D35ECDB86619@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <d6570ed6-b3eb-5433-d1de-4e44db14677f@sonic.net>

On 8/19/22 15:07, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
> Off the top of my head:
> 
> split v1 by tab
> split v2 by tab
> split v3 by tab
> split v4 by tab
> 
> put the keys of v1 into tKeyList
> sort tKeyList ascending numeric
> 
> repeat for each line tKey in tKeyList
>     put tKey & tab & v1 [tKey] & tab & v2 [tKey] & tab & v3 [tKey] & tab & v4 [tKey] & cr after tCombined
> end repeat
> 
> Not sure if this will be faster, but every time you refer to a line of a string the engine has to parse out where that line is from the beginning.

It is indeed faster. Here's what I came up with. I'm not sure why 2000 
lines of text in four fields should take that long, I came up with

original code: 320 ms
array version: 21 ms

    put empty into vCombined
    put fld "A" into v1
    put fld "B" into v2
    put fld "C" into v3
    put fld "D" into v4
    split v1 by cr
    split v2 by cr
    split v3 by cr
    split v4 by cr
    put 1 into i
    repeat for each element tLine in v1
       put i&tab&v1[i]&tab&v2[i]&tab&v3[i]&tab&v4[i]&tab&cr after vCombined
       add 1 to i
    end repeat



-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Aug 19 19:03:22 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2022 23:03:22 +0000
Subject: Livecode performance problem
In-Reply-To: <d6570ed6-b3eb-5433-d1de-4e44db14677f@sonic.net>
References: <c9167335-177e-87b1-7da7-b9a8b9028cab@researchware.com>
 <68DC59EA-3206-4A23-8BB3-D35ECDB86619@iotecdigital.com>
 <d6570ed6-b3eb-5433-d1de-4e44db14677f@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <A30F607B-EA45-496B-BA19-11F681D205BF@iotecdigital.com>

It's probably a lot of text. The engine has to start from the beginning of every string then scan through for every cr or lf or cr/lf or whatever counts as a line break, until if finds the nth one. The more lines, the longer the scan takes each time, and the more text per line the exponentially more time it takes. Multiply that by 4 times plus the combinination of all of them as the code progresses *4 for the output string and you have the makings of a mountain that keeps getting steeper the higher you go.

That is my understanding at least.

Bob S


On Aug 19, 2022, at 15:32 , Mark Wieder via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com<mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:

It is indeed faster. Here's what I came up with. I'm not sure why 2000 lines of text in four fields should take that long, I came up with


From alex at tweedly.net  Fri Aug 19 19:31:00 2022
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2022 00:31:00 +0100
Subject: Livecode performance problem
In-Reply-To: <d6570ed6-b3eb-5433-d1de-4e44db14677f@sonic.net>
References: <c9167335-177e-87b1-7da7-b9a8b9028cab@researchware.com>
 <68DC59EA-3206-4A23-8BB3-D35ECDB86619@iotecdigital.com>
 <d6570ed6-b3eb-5433-d1de-4e44db14677f@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <b0483cdb-05e4-a1ea-bd03-1cc71171ab27@tweedly.net>


On 19/08/2022 23:32, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:
>
> It is indeed faster. Here's what I came up with. I'm not sure why 2000 
> lines of text in four fields should take that long, I came up with
>
> original code: 320 ms
> array version: 21 ms
>
>    put empty into vCombined
>    put fld "A" into v1
>    put fld "B" into v2
>    put fld "C" into v3
>    put fld "D" into v4
>    split v1 by cr
>    split v2 by cr
>    split v3 by cr
>    split v4 by cr
>    put 1 into i
>    repeat for each element tLine in v1
>       put i&tab&v1[i]&tab&v2[i]&tab&v3[i]&tab&v4[i]&tab&cr after 
> vCombined
>       add 1 to i
>    end repeat

which is already quick enough that any further improvement is mainly 
academic.

But for the record:

"repeat for each line " is very efficient for a single variable, o you 
can avoid one of the four 'split's, and use the line variable to count 
your loop.

>    --   split v1 by cr
>    split v2 by cr
>    split v3 by cr
>    split v4 by cr
>    put 1 into i
>    repeat for each line tLine in v1
>       put i&tab& tLine &tab& v2[i] &tab& v3[i] &tab& v4[i] & cr after 
> vCombined
>       add 1 to i
>    end repeat
>
to trim about another 15% off the time (for my sample data, 24ms down to 
20ms.)

(and if you know that one of the four fields typically contains much 
more text (i.e. longer lines) than the others, you would choose it to 
not be split).

Alex.




From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Fri Aug 19 19:40:56 2022
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2022 16:40:56 -0700
Subject: Livecode performance problem
In-Reply-To: <b0483cdb-05e4-a1ea-bd03-1cc71171ab27@tweedly.net>
References: <c9167335-177e-87b1-7da7-b9a8b9028cab@researchware.com>
 <68DC59EA-3206-4A23-8BB3-D35ECDB86619@iotecdigital.com>
 <d6570ed6-b3eb-5433-d1de-4e44db14677f@sonic.net>
 <b0483cdb-05e4-a1ea-bd03-1cc71171ab27@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <3c565e25-2696-b1cb-2589-55c5df7db0d0@sonic.net>

On 8/19/22 16:31, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:

> to trim about another 15% off the time (for my sample data, 24ms down to 
> 20ms.)

Nice.
Note, of course, that we're all going on the assumption that all four 
fields contain the same number of lines.


-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com


From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Fri Aug 19 19:42:31 2022
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2022 16:42:31 -0700
Subject: Livecode performance problem
In-Reply-To: <A30F607B-EA45-496B-BA19-11F681D205BF@iotecdigital.com>
References: <c9167335-177e-87b1-7da7-b9a8b9028cab@researchware.com>
 <68DC59EA-3206-4A23-8BB3-D35ECDB86619@iotecdigital.com>
 <d6570ed6-b3eb-5433-d1de-4e44db14677f@sonic.net>
 <A30F607B-EA45-496B-BA19-11F681D205BF@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <0e4818fe-4eb3-7d92-b786-aaf55324d931@sonic.net>

On 8/19/22 16:03, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
> It's probably a lot of text. The engine has to start from the beginning of every string then scan through for every cr or lf or cr/lf or whatever counts as a line break, until if finds the nth one. The more lines, the longer the scan takes each time, and the more text per line the exponentially more time it takes. Multiply that by 4 times plus the combinination of all of them as the code progresses *4 for the output string and you have the makings of a mountain that keeps getting steeper the higher you go.

My tests were based on 2174 lines of text in each field.
Got nowhere near 20 seconds. Or even one.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com


From alex at tweedly.net  Fri Aug 19 19:46:54 2022
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2022 00:46:54 +0100
Subject: Livecode performance problem
In-Reply-To: <A30F607B-EA45-496B-BA19-11F681D205BF@iotecdigital.com>
References: <c9167335-177e-87b1-7da7-b9a8b9028cab@researchware.com>
 <68DC59EA-3206-4A23-8BB3-D35ECDB86619@iotecdigital.com>
 <d6570ed6-b3eb-5433-d1de-4e44db14677f@sonic.net>
 <A30F607B-EA45-496B-BA19-11F681D205BF@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <03b5bb40-b79a-87d2-3eeb-590fd13d5b63@tweedly.net>


On 20/08/2022 00:03, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
> It's probably a lot of text. The engine has to start from the beginning of every string then scan through for every cr or lf or cr/lf or whatever counts as a line break, until if finds the nth one. The more lines, the longer the scan takes each time, and the more text per line the exponentially more time it takes. Multiply that by 4 times plus the combinination of all of them as the code progresses *4 for the output string and you have the makings of a mountain that keeps getting steeper the higher you go.

Yes, for all the input strings. For the output string, it's just a "put 
... after ...", so there is no need to count or scan the output string; 
LC already keeps (effectively) a pointer to the end of a string, and 
optimizes the straightforward extension at the end of a string.

Alex.




From paul at researchware.com  Fri Aug 19 19:50:50 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2022 19:50:50 -0400
Subject: Livecode performance problem
In-Reply-To: <3c565e25-2696-b1cb-2589-55c5df7db0d0@sonic.net>
References: <c9167335-177e-87b1-7da7-b9a8b9028cab@researchware.com>
 <68DC59EA-3206-4A23-8BB3-D35ECDB86619@iotecdigital.com>
 <d6570ed6-b3eb-5433-d1de-4e44db14677f@sonic.net>
 <b0483cdb-05e4-a1ea-bd03-1cc71171ab27@tweedly.net>
 <3c565e25-2696-b1cb-2589-55c5df7db0d0@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <049a6def-606b-365a-46e7-5f06117b8e11@researchware.com>

On 8/19/2022 7:40 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:
> On 8/19/22 16:31, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:
>
>> to trim about another 15% off the time (for my sample data, 24ms down 
>> to 20ms.)
>
> Nice.
> Note, of course, that we're all going on the assumption that all four 
> fields contain the same number of lines.
>
>

Thank you all for the example of improving performance over my clunky code.

Yes, all the fields contain the same number of lines.

For strange legacy application reasons, when lines get added to the set 
of fields (a frequency action by users - sometimes adding hundreds of 
lines a day), the data has to be repackaged into this tab delimited 
structure in a single variable to run some procedures on.

So a user driven action of:

1) Add a line (or a few) to the fields
2) repackage data and run a few procedures
3) User repeats starting at step 1

Can become very slow as the number of lines in the fields gets large - 
as you all have noted!

Thank you all again!




From alex at tweedly.net  Fri Aug 19 19:53:34 2022
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2022 00:53:34 +0100
Subject: The use-livecode list.
Message-ID: <5cb8b3fc-7d7d-0abb-729e-008278097d19@tweedly.net>

I've had a pretty shitty day. A variety of things have happened, or not 
happened, that made it not one of the good days.

So I was not happy, and rather grumpy. (My apologies to Panos for being 
ungracious in an earlier post - it was meant to be a plea for 
completeness of the product in preference to more work-arounds - but it 
came across wrongly. Sorry, Panos).

And then, the use-list comes up with a nice, tight, well-defined problem 
to tackle - and now I can end my day on a puzzle-solving high note, 
rather than dragging myself off to bed on a downbeat.

Thanks again, use-list !!

Alex.




From paul at researchware.com  Fri Aug 19 20:14:19 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2022 20:14:19 -0400
Subject: The use-livecode list.
In-Reply-To: <5cb8b3fc-7d7d-0abb-729e-008278097d19@tweedly.net>
References: <5cb8b3fc-7d7d-0abb-729e-008278097d19@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <0b143678-234d-5a3e-ef2b-1940327537f5@researchware.com>

No, THANK YOU!


On 8/19/2022 7:53 PM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:
> I've had a pretty shitty day. A variety of things have happened, or 
> not happened, that made it not one of the good days.
>
> So I was not happy, and rather grumpy. (My apologies to Panos for 
> being ungracious in an earlier post - it was meant to be a plea for 
> completeness of the product in preference to more work-arounds - but 
> it came across wrongly. Sorry, Panos).
>
> And then, the use-list comes up with a nice, tight, well-defined 
> problem to tackle - and now I can end my day on a puzzle-solving high 
> note, rather than dragging myself off to bed on a downbeat.
>
> Thanks again, use-list !!
>
> Alex.
>
>
>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Aug 19 20:43:17 2022
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2022 19:43:17 -0500
Subject: The use-livecode list.
In-Reply-To: <5cb8b3fc-7d7d-0abb-729e-008278097d19@tweedly.net>
References: <5cb8b3fc-7d7d-0abb-729e-008278097d19@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <182b8b44088.27a5.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>

We did it just for you because we've all been there.

:)

--
Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
On August 19, 2022 6:54:47 PM Alex Tweedly via use-livecode 
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I've had a pretty shitty day. A variety of things have happened, or not
> happened, that made it not one of the good days.
>
> So I was not happy, and rather grumpy. (My apologies to Panos for being
> ungracious in an earlier post - it was meant to be a plea for
> completeness of the product in preference to more work-arounds - but it
> came across wrongly. Sorry, Panos).
>
> And then, the use-list comes up with a nice, tight, well-defined problem
> to tackle - and now I can end my day on a puzzle-solving high note,
> rather than dragging myself off to bed on a downbeat.
>
> Thanks again, use-list !!
>
> Alex.
>
>
>
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> subscription preferences:
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From kevin at livecode.com  Sat Aug 20 04:22:35 2022
From: kevin at livecode.com (Kevin Miller)
Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2022 09:22:35 +0100
Subject: A few issues with web apps
In-Reply-To: <3A71F07E-2984-4797-AA82-3F9B63999504@tweedly.net>
References: <CA+JfEq9ToE-BRTOP-d+6JpxM=+SN-SXrvevmRMWuWrjt3E75pQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <3A71F07E-2984-4797-AA82-3F9B63999504@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <A271A8CE-8A86-47B9-9314-F120A60647C8@livecode.com>

Don't worry the goal is for zero workarounds by the time we're ready to ship GM. These things are just there to keep you going in the mean time.

Kind regards,

Kevin

Kevin Miller ~ kevin at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
LiveCode: Develop Yourself

On 19/08/2022, 18:16, "use-livecode on behalf of Tweedly via use-livecode" <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com on behalf of use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:


    > On 19 Aug 2022, at 16:01, panagiotis m via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
    > 
    > Hello all,
    > 
    > BTW, I just wrote a lesson on how to scroll a LC text field on Web using
    > <do .. as javascript>:
    >> 
    Thank you. 
    But at the risk of sounding ungrateful - please don’t.
    Please just make basic functionality like resizing, scrolling, etc. Work properly and nicely out of the box.
    Alex.

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From dfe4 at cornell.edu  Sat Aug 20 13:45:38 2022
From: dfe4 at cornell.edu (David Epstein)
Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2022 13:45:38 -0400
Subject: Livecode performance problem
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1661011201.253146.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.1.1661011201.253146.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <04A45A17-EA75-4FC3-AA91-C32AD0BB2057@cornell.edu>

I didn’t text the speed, but why not

put fld A into x[1]
put fld B into x[2]
put fld C into x[3]
put fld D into x[4]
combine x by column
return x

> 
> I have a set of fields, call them A, B, C, and D. Each has the same 
> number of lines. Each field has different text (per line)
> 
> I need to combine the data - frequently - into a form that look like:
> 
> <i><tab><line i of fld A><tab><line i of fld B><tab><line i of fld 
> C><tab><line i of fld D><cr>



From alex at tweedly.net  Sat Aug 20 17:59:47 2022
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2022 22:59:47 +0100
Subject: Livecode performance problem
In-Reply-To: <04A45A17-EA75-4FC3-AA91-C32AD0BB2057@cornell.edu>
References: <mailman.1.1661011201.253146.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
 <04A45A17-EA75-4FC3-AA91-C32AD0BB2057@cornell.edu>
Message-ID: <556a05c7-a854-9826-7802-dde16e670739@tweedly.net>

I can't answer for anyone else, but for me - because I never thought 
about it :-)

Combine by column - never used it before, so never thought of it.

It's significantly faster, roughly 40% improvement over the previous best.

Note, the spec requires that each line begins with the line number, so 
you need to add something like:

>    local tmp
>    repeat with i = 1 to the number of lines in g1
>       put i &CR after tmp
>    end repeat
>    put tmp into x[1]
>
>    put g1 into x[2]
>    put g2 into x[3]
>    put g3 into x[4]
>    put g4 into x[5]
and finish off with

    combine x by column
    put cr after x

to fully match the earlier results.

Alex.

On 20/08/2022 18:45, David Epstein via use-livecode wrote:
> I didnt text the speed, but why not
>
> put fld A into x[1]
> put fld B into x[2]
> put fld C into x[3]
> put fld D into x[4]
> combine x by column
> return x
>
>> I have a set of fields, call them A, B, C, and D. Each has the same
>> number of lines. Each field has different text (per line)
>>
>> I need to combine the data - frequently - into a form that look like:
>>
>> <i><tab><line i of fld A><tab><line i of fld B><tab><line i of fld
>> C><tab><line i of fld D><cr>
>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Aug 20 18:54:30 2022
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2022 17:54:30 -0500
Subject: A few issues with web apps
In-Reply-To: <fbd7ddec-1816-301d-43e5-152b84e1f034@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <fbd7ddec-1816-301d-43e5-152b84e1f034@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <04917201-7c01-8edb-f72f-d4335a1f3a2c@hyperactivesw.com>

On 8/18/22 2:52 PM, I wrote:
> All in all, everything else works, which is really quite incredible.

When I accidentally started replying to Andreas privately instead of to the list (I should pay 
more attention, geez) he suggested others may want to see my test app. Thanks to Andreas for 
being so polite about it.

So here you go:

<http://www.hyperactivesw.com/testfiles/monkeys/monkeys.html>

On desktop browsers, everything works great. On mobile it works pretty well except for text 
entry and a minor display issue.

On mobile it isn't possible to drag-select text in editable fields. Typing is iffy as well, and 
depending on the (Android) keyboard you use, the cursor can be misaligned and/or key presses 
don't always insert entries. I didn't test on iOS.

I've added a simple behavior to all the scrolling fields and removed the ugly field scrollbar. 
It tracks the mouse movement and scrolls the field accordingly. That works on desktop but 
doesn't work on mobile. This matches the behavior of anything draggable: the slider widget 
button, the buttons in the Population example that use "grab", and the LC field scroller thumb.

On both desktop and mobile, text styling isn't working. Some of the text in the "What is this?" 
substack should be bold but displays as plain. On the other hand, the substack does display 
correctly layered over the mainstack. I had wondered if it would work, and it does.

I know this will all get fixed so I'm not worried. This is just an example of where we're at 
right now for anyone curious. Overall, web deployment is very impressive. I was surprised at 
how good it is even in an unfinished state.

BTW, the ideas behind this stack are not original. I first re-created them in MetaCard based on 
online discussions 20 years ago, and when I opened it recently in LC 10 the stack opened 
without error. Kudos to Mark Waddingham's attention to backward compatibility.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From paul at researchware.com  Sat Aug 20 21:14:46 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2022 21:14:46 -0400
Subject: Livecode performance problem
In-Reply-To: <556a05c7-a854-9826-7802-dde16e670739@tweedly.net>
References: <mailman.1.1661011201.253146.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
 <04A45A17-EA75-4FC3-AA91-C32AD0BB2057@cornell.edu>
 <556a05c7-a854-9826-7802-dde16e670739@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <5a8ff08e-86c7-2c36-c70e-706e31680360@researchware.com>

Thank you!

The prior solutions have dramatically reduced the time - the WHOLE 
analytics process in its entirety because of the slowness of my old code 
was taking HOURS (like 6-10) - and is now down to 30-35 minutes with the 
prior solutions. I can't wait to tr the combine by columns method to see 
how much more (40%! WOW!) it reduced the overall process time further!


On 8/20/2022 5:59 PM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:
> I can't answer for anyone else, but for me - because I never thought 
> about it :-)
>
> Combine by column - never used it before, so never thought of it.
>
> It's significantly faster, roughly 40% improvement over the previous 
> best.
>
> Note, the spec requires that each line begins with the line number, so 
> you need to add something like:
>
>>    local tmp
>>    repeat with i = 1 to the number of lines in g1
>>       put i &CR after tmp
>>    end repeat
>>    put tmp into x[1]
>>
>>    put g1 into x[2]
>>    put g2 into x[3]
>>    put g3 into x[4]
>>    put g4 into x[5]
> and finish off with
>
>    combine x by column
>    put cr after x
>
> to fully match the earlier results.
>
> Alex.
>
> On 20/08/2022 18:45, David Epstein via use-livecode wrote:
>> I didnt text the speed, but why not
>>
>> put fld A into x[1]
>> put fld B into x[2]
>> put fld C into x[3]
>> put fld D into x[4]
>> combine x by column
>> return x
>>
>>> I have a set of fields, call them A, B, C, and D. Each has the same
>>> number of lines. Each field has different text (per line)
>>>
>>> I need to combine the data - frequently - into a form that look like:
>>>
>>> <i><tab><line i of fld A><tab><line i of fld B><tab><line i of fld
>>> C><tab><line i of fld D><cr>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
>> subscription preferences:
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From dochawk at gmail.com  Sat Aug 20 21:43:04 2022
From: dochawk at gmail.com (doc hawk)
Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2022 18:43:04 -0700
Subject: Livecode performance problem
In-Reply-To: <c9167335-177e-87b1-7da7-b9a8b9028cab@researchware.com>
References: <c9167335-177e-87b1-7da7-b9a8b9028cab@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <8C1C8F20-658A-4D49-A456-1623F36FBF30@gmail.com>

Short version: inserting between is a much slower process than after, as the entire field/string/whatever from the post of insertion has to be moved or otherwise handled.




From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Sun Aug 21 08:45:12 2022
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2022 08:45:12 -0400
Subject: addIcon issue
Message-ID: <CADCoycNBi=9Rsv0mnXv16nghLi3MDYzHnOLs1WukZP__WFcmMQ@mail.gmail.com>

I have an svg widget that draws correctly, so I'm trying to add it to the
library, but addIcon does not seem to be working.
After calling addIcon, I try to search for the icon, but it does not appear
in the icon picker, and adding it by name does not work, either.
Here's the line:
get addIcon("test","m 13,21.59 -4.29,-4.3 -1.42,1.42 5,5 a 1,1 0 0 0 1.41,0
l 13,-13 -1.41,-1.42 z M 25,0 H 7 A 7,7 0 0 0 0,7 v 18 a 7,7 0 0 0 7,7 h 18
a 7,7 0 0 0 7,-7 V 7 A 7,7 0 0 0 25,0 Z m 5,25 a 5,5 0 0 1 -5,5 H 7 A 5,5 0
0 1 2,25 V 7 A 5,5 0 0 1 7,2 h 18 a 5,5 0 0 1 5,5 z",0)


-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."

From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Sun Aug 21 09:26:04 2022
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2022 09:26:04 -0400
Subject: powerbutton (megabundle) is FUN
Message-ID: <CADCoycMxtNLCjY6ttArTV11zkt_N2hYXUCv_V8OU10dcT20TJw@mail.gmail.com>

I bought the megabundle, unsure what to expect from the stuff that comes
with it. polylist/polygrid look like they are going to be great.
as a tmControls nerd, i'm spoiled for gret-looking buttons with more
options to customize them and get them to do all sorts of marvelous things.
i think i'm about to switch to powerbutton.
these have all the customization options and a few more to boot and they
respond faster, because they are widgets instead of groups.
this is an underrated widget.
-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."

From prothero at earthlearningsolutions.org  Sun Aug 21 11:08:15 2022
From: prothero at earthlearningsolutions.org (William Prothero)
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2022 08:08:15 -0700
Subject: A few issues with web apps
In-Reply-To: <04917201-7c01-8edb-f72f-d4335a1f3a2c@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <04917201-7c01-8edb-f72f-d4335a1f3a2c@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <973017A5-22AD-4D45-8D46-25983EF0C9DD@earthlearningsolutions.org>

Jacqueline,
Thanks for the great status report on Livecode web deployment. From my perspective, it's finally starting to look promising. The first thing I noticed was the speed of bringing up the first page. I'm looking forward to working with the web deployment when it gets far enough in its development.

Best,
Bill

William A. Prothero, PhD
Prof Emeritus, Dept of Earth Science
University of California, Santa Barbara

> On Aug 20, 2022, at 3:56 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> On 8/18/22 2:52 PM, I wrote:
>> All in all, everything else works, which is really quite incredible.
> 
> When I accidentally started replying to Andreas privately instead of to the list (I should pay more attention, geez) he suggested others may want to see my test app. Thanks to Andreas for being so polite about it.
> 
> So here you go:
> 
> <http://www.hyperactivesw.com/testfiles/monkeys/monkeys.html>
> 
> On desktop browsers, everything works great. On mobile it works pretty well except for text entry and a minor display issue.
> 
> On mobile it isn't possible to drag-select text in editable fields. Typing is iffy as well, and depending on the (Android) keyboard you use, the cursor can be misaligned and/or key presses don't always insert entries. I didn't test on iOS.
> 
> I've added a simple behavior to all the scrolling fields and removed the ugly field scrollbar. It tracks the mouse movement and scrolls the field accordingly. That works on desktop but doesn't work on mobile. This matches the behavior of anything draggable: the slider widget button, the buttons in the Population example that use "grab", and the LC field scroller thumb.
> 
> On both desktop and mobile, text styling isn't working. Some of the text in the "What is this?" substack should be bold but displays as plain. On the other hand, the substack does display correctly layered over the mainstack. I had wondered if it would work, and it does.
> 
> I know this will all get fixed so I'm not worried. This is just an example of where we're at right now for anyone curious. Overall, web deployment is very impressive. I was surprised at how good it is even in an unfinished state.
> 
> BTW, the ideas behind this stack are not original. I first re-created them in MetaCard based on online discussions 20 years ago, and when I opened it recently in LC 10 the stack opened without error. Kudos to Mark Waddingham's attention to backward compatibility.
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> 
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> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Aug 21 13:20:27 2022
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2022 12:20:27 -0500
Subject: addIcon issue
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycNBi=9Rsv0mnXv16nghLi3MDYzHnOLs1WukZP__WFcmMQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycNBi=9Rsv0mnXv16nghLi3MDYzHnOLs1WukZP__WFcmMQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <182c16b8b78.27a5.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>

I don't think you can add to the default icon family. The docs say that if 
you haven't specified a family then the icon goes into one named "custom". 
So see what you get when you run iconFamilies() and if "custom" is in there 
then set the family using setCurrentIconFamily("custom").

If you prefer, you can create your own family with its own name with 
addIconFamily. In any case you have to set the current family before you 
can use its icons.
--
Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
On August 21, 2022 7:48:13 AM Mike Kerner via use-livecode 
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I have an svg widget that draws correctly, so I'm trying to add it to the
> library, but addIcon does not seem to be working.
> After calling addIcon, I try to search for the icon, but it does not appear
> in the icon picker, and adding it by name does not work, either.
> Here's the line:
> get addIcon("test","m 13,21.59 -4.29,-4.3 -1.42,1.42 5,5 a 1,1 0 0 0 1.41,0
> l 13,-13 -1.41,-1.42 z M 25,0 H 7 A 7,7 0 0 0 0,7 v 18 a 7,7 0 0 0 7,7 h 18
> a 7,7 0 0 0 7,-7 V 7 A 7,7 0 0 0 25,0 Z m 5,25 a 5,5 0 0 1 -5,5 H 7 A 5,5 0
> 0 1 2,25 V 7 A 5,5 0 0 1 7,2 h 18 a 5,5 0 0 1 5,5 z",0)
>
>
> --
> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>   and did a little diving.
> And God said, "This is good."
> _______________________________________________
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> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Sun Aug 21 13:56:38 2022
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2022 13:56:38 -0400
Subject: addIcon issue
In-Reply-To: <182c16b8b78.27a5.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <CADCoycNBi=9Rsv0mnXv16nghLi3MDYzHnOLs1WukZP__WFcmMQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <182c16b8b78.27a5.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycOKsPLeKc5FzJbT+jDRsu2oGA4CsTKor=HC9EnHuXcYFQ@mail.gmail.com>

reading through the library, it appears that you are correct - you cannot
add to the default family.
changing the family using setCurrentIconFamily("custom") does cause the
picker to show those icons. if i want to select one for assignment to a
widget, is that the only way to do it? entering custom/test does not seem
to work. instead i have to set the family and then choose the icon

On Sun, Aug 21, 2022 at 1:21 PM J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I don't think you can add to the default icon family. The docs say that if
> you haven't specified a family then the icon goes into one named "custom".
> So see what you get when you run iconFamilies() and if "custom" is in
> there
> then set the family using setCurrentIconFamily("custom").
>
> If you prefer, you can create your own family with its own name with
> addIconFamily. In any case you have to set the current family before you
> can use its icons.
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> On August 21, 2022 7:48:13 AM Mike Kerner via use-livecode
> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > I have an svg widget that draws correctly, so I'm trying to add it to the
> > library, but addIcon does not seem to be working.
> > After calling addIcon, I try to search for the icon, but it does not
> appear
> > in the icon picker, and adding it by name does not work, either.
> > Here's the line:
> > get addIcon("test","m 13,21.59 -4.29,-4.3 -1.42,1.42 5,5 a 1,1 0 0 0
> 1.41,0
> > l 13,-13 -1.41,-1.42 z M 25,0 H 7 A 7,7 0 0 0 0,7 v 18 a 7,7 0 0 0 7,7 h
> 18
> > a 7,7 0 0 0 7,-7 V 7 A 7,7 0 0 0 25,0 Z m 5,25 a 5,5 0 0 1 -5,5 H 7 A
> 5,5 0
> > 0 1 2,25 V 7 A 5,5 0 0 1 7,2 h 18 a 5,5 0 0 1 5,5 z",0)
> >
> >
> > --
> > On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> > On the second day, God created the oceans.
> > On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
> >   and did a little diving.
> > And God said, "This is good."
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > subscription preferences:
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>
>
>
>
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-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."

From brian at milby7.com  Sun Aug 21 14:41:36 2022
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2022 14:41:36 -0400
Subject: addIcon issue
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycOKsPLeKc5FzJbT+jDRsu2oGA4CsTKor=HC9EnHuXcYFQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycOKsPLeKc5FzJbT+jDRsu2oGA4CsTKor=HC9EnHuXcYFQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EE6C8AE0-18F3-44FE-AE91-0CE47ACC2EA4@milby7.com>

Have you looked at SVG Icon Tool (Sample Stacks)?  It can help manage icon families.  You should be able to set the icon using just the short name.  The icon svg library will check the current library first and then cycle through all loaded families looking for a match.  If there is a collision then you don’t know which one will get used (probably the current family and then the rest in order of creation).

Here is a version with a large number of icons included:
https://milby.us/lc/SvgIconTool.zip

I worked on the family code and doubt much has changed since the source was closed.  Version number matches GitHub in the rc1 of 9.6.9 currently.

Thanks,
Brian

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 21, 2022, at 1:58 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> reading through the library, it appears that you are correct - you cannot
> add to the default family.
> changing the family using setCurrentIconFamily("custom") does cause the
> picker to show those icons. if i want to select one for assignment to a
> widget, is that the only way to do it? entering custom/test does not seem
> to work. instead i have to set the family and then choose the icon
> 
>> On Sun, Aug 21, 2022 at 1:21 PM J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I don't think you can add to the default icon family. The docs say that if
>> you haven't specified a family then the icon goes into one named "custom".
>> So see what you get when you run iconFamilies() and if "custom" is in
>> there
>> then set the family using setCurrentIconFamily("custom").
>> 
>> If you prefer, you can create your own family with its own name with
>> addIconFamily. In any case you have to set the current family before you
>> can use its icons.
>> --
>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>> On August 21, 2022 7:48:13 AM Mike Kerner via use-livecode
>> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I have an svg widget that draws correctly, so I'm trying to add it to the
>>> library, but addIcon does not seem to be working.
>>> After calling addIcon, I try to search for the icon, but it does not
>> appear
>>> in the icon picker, and adding it by name does not work, either.
>>> Here's the line:
>>> get addIcon("test","m 13,21.59 -4.29,-4.3 -1.42,1.42 5,5 a 1,1 0 0 0
>> 1.41,0
>>> l 13,-13 -1.41,-1.42 z M 25,0 H 7 A 7,7 0 0 0 0,7 v 18 a 7,7 0 0 0 7,7 h
>> 18
>>> a 7,7 0 0 0 7,-7 V 7 A 7,7 0 0 0 25,0 Z m 5,25 a 5,5 0 0 1 -5,5 H 7 A
>> 5,5 0
>>> 0 1 2,25 V 7 A 5,5 0 0 1 7,2 h 18 a 5,5 0 0 1 5,5 z",0)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
>>> On the second day, God created the oceans.
>>> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>>>  and did a little diving.
>>> And God said, "This is good."
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>> subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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>> subscription preferences:
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> 
> 
> -- 
> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>   and did a little diving.
> And God said, "This is good."
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Sun Aug 21 14:58:16 2022
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2022 20:58:16 +0200
Subject: Livecode Builder -how t write to a file?
Message-ID: <9D894134-797F-4426-9FF1-9DEFAC1E1FC8@m-r-d.de>

Hi.

From time to time and when time allows i am trying to get used to with Livecode Builder. 
For debugging i would like my lcb script to write some debug code to a file, but i really do not see how this can be done.
I found the experimental com.livecode.file module and the operator 'the filecontents of file...', but unfortunately no script example.

Does anyone know, if and how i can write some data to an external file on hard disk in LCB?


Regards,
Matthias



From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Sun Aug 21 16:30:09 2022
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2022 16:30:09 -0400
Subject: addIcon issue
In-Reply-To: <EE6C8AE0-18F3-44FE-AE91-0CE47ACC2EA4@milby7.com>
References: <CADCoycOKsPLeKc5FzJbT+jDRsu2oGA4CsTKor=HC9EnHuXcYFQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <EE6C8AE0-18F3-44FE-AE91-0CE47ACC2EA4@milby7.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycPMZ04H2T-X=_1i8PY4s0Z+k7StYnmyUNOwGCkBRW_bKQ@mail.gmail.com>

thanks, brian, i'll have a look.
i was reading through the library and the filter code. ralph proposed
adding a family menu (or a means for either specifying the family or
showing all families) to the filter. i think that would be a good idea.

On Sun, Aug 21, 2022 at 2:42 PM Brian Milby via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Have you looked at SVG Icon Tool (Sample Stacks)?  It can help manage icon
> families.  You should be able to set the icon using just the short name.
> The icon svg library will check the current library first and then cycle
> through all loaded families looking for a match.  If there is a collision
> then you don’t know which one will get used (probably the current family
> and then the rest in order of creation).
>
> Here is a version with a large number of icons included:
> https://milby.us/lc/SvgIconTool.zip
>
> I worked on the family code and doubt much has changed since the source
> was closed.  Version number matches GitHub in the rc1 of 9.6.9 currently.
>
> Thanks,
> Brian
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Aug 21, 2022, at 1:58 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > reading through the library, it appears that you are correct - you
> cannot
> > add to the default family.
> > changing the family using setCurrentIconFamily("custom") does cause the
> > picker to show those icons. if i want to select one for assignment to a
> > widget, is that the only way to do it? entering custom/test does not seem
> > to work. instead i have to set the family and then choose the icon
> >
> >> On Sun, Aug 21, 2022 at 1:21 PM J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I don't think you can add to the default icon family. The docs say that
> if
> >> you haven't specified a family then the icon goes into one named
> "custom".
> >> So see what you get when you run iconFamilies() and if "custom" is in
> >> there
> >> then set the family using setCurrentIconFamily("custom").
> >>
> >> If you prefer, you can create your own family with its own name with
> >> addIconFamily. In any case you have to set the current family before you
> >> can use its icons.
> >> --
> >> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> >> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> >> On August 21, 2022 7:48:13 AM Mike Kerner via use-livecode
> >> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I have an svg widget that draws correctly, so I'm trying to add it to
> the
> >>> library, but addIcon does not seem to be working.
> >>> After calling addIcon, I try to search for the icon, but it does not
> >> appear
> >>> in the icon picker, and adding it by name does not work, either.
> >>> Here's the line:
> >>> get addIcon("test","m 13,21.59 -4.29,-4.3 -1.42,1.42 5,5 a 1,1 0 0 0
> >> 1.41,0
> >>> l 13,-13 -1.41,-1.42 z M 25,0 H 7 A 7,7 0 0 0 0,7 v 18 a 7,7 0 0 0 7,7
> h
> >> 18
> >>> a 7,7 0 0 0 7,-7 V 7 A 7,7 0 0 0 25,0 Z m 5,25 a 5,5 0 0 1 -5,5 H 7 A
> >> 5,5 0
> >>> 0 1 2,25 V 7 A 5,5 0 0 1 7,2 h 18 a 5,5 0 0 1 5,5 z",0)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> >>> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> >>> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
> >>>  and did a little diving.
> >>> And God said, "This is good."
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> use-livecode mailing list
> >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> >>> subscription preferences:
> >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
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> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> >> subscription preferences:
> >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> > On the second day, God created the oceans.
> > On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
> >   and did a little diving.
> > And God said, "This is good."
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
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-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."

From marksmithhfx at gmail.com  Sun Aug 21 17:36:28 2022
From: marksmithhfx at gmail.com (Mark Smith)
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2022 22:36:28 +0100
Subject: Livecode performance problem
In-Reply-To: <049a6def-606b-365a-46e7-5f06117b8e11@researchware.com>
References: <c9167335-177e-87b1-7da7-b9a8b9028cab@researchware.com>
 <68DC59EA-3206-4A23-8BB3-D35ECDB86619@iotecdigital.com>
 <d6570ed6-b3eb-5433-d1de-4e44db14677f@sonic.net>
 <b0483cdb-05e4-a1ea-bd03-1cc71171ab27@tweedly.net>
 <3c565e25-2696-b1cb-2589-55c5df7db0d0@sonic.net>
 <049a6def-606b-365a-46e7-5f06117b8e11@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <AF0695DF-10DA-4865-9F61-F4EE329E6046@gmail.com>

Wow, what a great example. I decided to work through the various suggestions just so I could get a better grip on some of LC’s more sophisticated data handling commands. 

My original run using Paul’s example was 8 seconds (2000 lines per field, 1100 chars per line)
Applying Brian’s simple suggestions of using “after” instead of “into” cut that in half (4 seconds)
Splitting the lines and using an array drove the time down to 23 milliseconds. Amazing!
Between those 2 that's 8000 msec -> 23 msec or about  350 times faster.

I will definitely pay more attention to “split” in future.
Great discussion. 

Mark




> On 20 Aug 2022, at 12:50 am, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> On 8/19/2022 7:40 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:
>> On 8/19/22 16:31, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:
>> 
>>> to trim about another 15% off the time (for my sample data, 24ms down to 20ms.)
>> 
>> Nice.
>> Note, of course, that we're all going on the assumption that all four fields contain the same number of lines.
>> 
>> 
> 
> Thank you all for the example of improving performance over my clunky code.
> 
> Yes, all the fields contain the same number of lines.
> 
> For strange legacy application reasons, when lines get added to the set of fields (a frequency action by users - sometimes adding hundreds of lines a day), the data has to be repackaged into this tab delimited structure in a single variable to run some procedures on.
> 
> So a user driven action of:
> 
> 1) Add a line (or a few) to the fields
> 2) repackage data and run a few procedures
> 3) User repeats starting at step 1
> 
> Can become very slow as the number of lines in the fields gets large - as you all have noted!
> 
> Thank you all again!
> 
> 
> 
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From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Sun Aug 21 18:38:17 2022
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2022 00:38:17 +0200
Subject: Livecode Builder -how t write to a file?
In-Reply-To: <9D894134-797F-4426-9FF1-9DEFAC1E1FC8@m-r-d.de>
References: <9D894134-797F-4426-9FF1-9DEFAC1E1FC8@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <CANbzFDq1T--i11YcfgD8_97zbqw8xuDgTQXiWQx9_br7TyZLaQ@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Matthias,

I do not have the answer but a possible workaround.

For debugging purposes I'm using the post message.

In LCB add this handler:
private handler throwWidgetError(in pError as String) returns nothing
   post "catchWidgetError" with [pError]
end handler

Call it by using:
throwWidgetError("Something to log")

And catch it by adding this handler into the card script where you test
your widget:

*command* catchWidgetError pTheError
*   put* pTheError & cr after msg
*end* catchWidgetError

This might be verbose as the message box will take the focus, and the
widget will refresh, so logging in a file instead of the message box would
be a possibility.

*command* catchWidgetError pTheError
*   write *pTheError to file "xxx"
*end* catchWidgetError

On Sun, 21 Aug 2022 at 20:59, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi.
>
> From time to time and when time allows i am trying to get used to with
> Livecode Builder.
> For debugging i would like my lcb script to write some debug code to a
> file, but i really do not see how this can be done.
> I found the experimental com.livecode.file module and the operator 'the
> filecontents of file...', but unfortunately no script example.
>
> Does anyone know, if and how i can write some data to an external file on
> hard disk in LCB?
>
>
> Regards,
> Matthias
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
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>


-- 
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http://www.aslugontheroad.com

From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sun Aug 21 21:28:36 2022
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2022 18:28:36 -0700
Subject: Livecode performance problem
In-Reply-To: <049a6def-606b-365a-46e7-5f06117b8e11@researchware.com>
References: <049a6def-606b-365a-46e7-5f06117b8e11@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <8bc119d6-1455-f6f0-000b-ba149b88b00a@fourthworld.com>

Paul Dupuis wrote:

 > For strange legacy application reasons, when lines get added to the
 > set of fields (a frequency action by users - sometimes adding hundreds
 > of lines a day), the data has to be repackaged into this tab delimited
 > structure in a single variable to run some procedures on.
 >
 > So a user driven action of:
 >
 > 1) Add a line (or a few) to the fields
 > 2) repackage data and run a few procedures
 > 3) User repeats starting at step 1
 >
 > Can become very slow as the number of lines in the fields gets large
 > - as you all have noted!


I'd just bite the bullet and replace those columnar fields with one 
delimited field.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com


From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Mon Aug 22 18:45:34 2022
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2022 00:45:34 +0200
Subject: Livecode Builder -how t write to a file?
In-Reply-To: <CANbzFDq1T--i11YcfgD8_97zbqw8xuDgTQXiWQx9_br7TyZLaQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9D894134-797F-4426-9FF1-9DEFAC1E1FC8@m-r-d.de>
 <CANbzFDq1T--i11YcfgD8_97zbqw8xuDgTQXiWQx9_br7TyZLaQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5E7A5A08-0B06-46D4-8A97-74F057C834D5@m-r-d.de>

Thanks Zryip,

i think that is a good workaround. ;)

Thanks.

Regards,
Matthias


> Am 22.08.2022 um 00:38 schrieb zryip theSlug via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Dear Matthias,
> 
> I do not have the answer but a possible workaround.
> 
> For debugging purposes I'm using the post message.
> 
> In LCB add this handler:
> private handler throwWidgetError(in pError as String) returns nothing
>  post "catchWidgetError" with [pError]
> end handler
> 
> Call it by using:
> throwWidgetError("Something to log")
> 
> And catch it by adding this handler into the card script where you test
> your widget:
> 
> *command* catchWidgetError pTheError
> *   put* pTheError & cr after msg
> *end* catchWidgetError
> 
> This might be verbose as the message box will take the focus, and the
> widget will refresh, so logging in a file instead of the message box would
> be a possibility.
> 
> *command* catchWidgetError pTheError
> *   write *pTheError to file "xxx"
> *end* catchWidgetError
> 
> On Sun, 21 Aug 2022 at 20:59, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hi.
>> 
>> From time to time and when time allows i am trying to get used to with
>> Livecode Builder.
>> For debugging i would like my lcb script to write some debug code to a
>> file, but i really do not see how this can be done.
>> I found the experimental com.livecode.file module and the operator 'the
>> filecontents of file...', but unfortunately no script example.
>> 
>> Does anyone know, if and how i can write some data to an external file on
>> hard disk in LCB?
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Matthias
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Zryip TheSlug
> http://www.aslugontheroad.com
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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From francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr  Tue Aug 23 10:31:46 2022
From: francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr (francois.chaplais)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2022 16:31:46 +0200
Subject: case sensitivity of the keys in an associative array
Message-ID: <BB43774A-562D-4A1F-B1E8-AE153F3D6B1C@mines-paristech.fr>

Dear list

From my current work on a LiveCode project, it seems that the keys of an associative array are not case sensitive.

For instance, I may define 
theArray[« Ddt »]

If I define now  
theArray[« ddt »]

this entry replaces the previous one (forgive apple mail which replaces my double quotes by french double quotes)

Is this behavior confirmed?

Best regards
François

From alex at tweedly.net  Tue Aug 23 10:45:22 2022
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2022 15:45:22 +0100
Subject: case sensitivity of the keys in an associative array
In-Reply-To: <BB43774A-562D-4A1F-B1E8-AE153F3D6B1C@mines-paristech.fr>
References: <BB43774A-562D-4A1F-B1E8-AE153F3D6B1C@mines-paristech.fr>
Message-ID: <ff5dc1ae-82ac-46aa-23cd-ddb51b9aa8ae@tweedly.net>

Not quite.

It is dependent on the value of "casesensitive".

If you do

set the casesensitve to true

then the keys are different (i.e. Ddt  would NOT replace the existing 
value for ddt)

but if it is false (which it would be by default) thne DDt and ddt are 
teh same.

[Only tested on 10.0.0 DP4 - but I think that's how it's always been]

Alex.

> on mouseup
>    local tA
>    put 1 into tA["a"]
>    put "1" && the keys of tA &CR after msg
>    set the casesensitive to true
>    put 2 into tA["A"]
>    put "2" && tA["a"] && the keys of tA &CR after msg
> end mouseup

On 23/08/2022 15:31, francois.chaplais via use-livecode wrote:
> Dear list
>
>  From my current work on a LiveCode project, it seems that the keys of an associative array are not case sensitive.
>
> For instance, I may define
> theArray[ Ddt ]
>
> If I define now
> theArray[ ddt ]
>
> this entry replaces the previous one (forgive apple mail which replaces my double quotes by french double quotes)
>
> Is this behavior confirmed?
>
> Best regards
> Franois
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From klaus at major-k.de  Tue Aug 23 10:46:46 2022
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2022 16:46:46 +0200
Subject: case sensitivity of the keys in an associative array
In-Reply-To: <BB43774A-562D-4A1F-B1E8-AE153F3D6B1C@mines-paristech.fr>
References: <BB43774A-562D-4A1F-B1E8-AE153F3D6B1C@mines-paristech.fr>
Message-ID: <D0F58D40-EEC4-471A-9380-04B44F9FD460@major-k.de>

Bonjour François,

> Am 23.08.2022 um 16:31 schrieb francois.chaplais via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Dear list
> 
> From my current work on a LiveCode project, it seems that the keys of an associative array are not case sensitive.
> 
> For instance, I may define 
> theArray[« Ddt »]
> 
> If I define now  
> theArray[« ddt »]
> 
> this entry replaces the previous one (forgive apple mail which replaces my double quotes by french double quotes)
> 
> Is this behavior confirmed?

yes, taht is correct bahvior!

But you can force case sensitivity in LC:
...
set the casesensitive to TRUE
answer theArray[« Ddt »]
## -> NADA!

answer theArray[« ddt »]
## Will do what you want.
...

> Best regards
> François

Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
https://www.major-k.de
https://www.major-k.de/bass
klaus at major-k.de



From francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr  Tue Aug 23 11:00:35 2022
From: francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr (francois.chaplais)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2022 17:00:35 +0200
Subject: case sensitivity of the keys in an associative array
In-Reply-To: <D0F58D40-EEC4-471A-9380-04B44F9FD460@major-k.de>
References: <BB43774A-562D-4A1F-B1E8-AE153F3D6B1C@mines-paristech.fr>
 <D0F58D40-EEC4-471A-9380-04B44F9FD460@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <897B0044-96B7-40EF-8BC9-8A7E11BE5DAD@mines-paristech.fr>

Thanks to you all!

This list is a treasury.

Chers,
François

> Le 23 août 2022 à 16:46, Klaus major-k via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> a écrit :
> 
> Bonjour François,
> 
>> Am 23.08.2022 um 16:31 schrieb francois.chaplais via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>> 
>> Dear list
>> 
>> From my current work on a LiveCode project, it seems that the keys of an associative array are not case sensitive.
>> 
>> For instance, I may define 
>> theArray[« Ddt »]
>> 
>> If I define now  
>> theArray[« ddt »]
>> 
>> this entry replaces the previous one (forgive apple mail which replaces my double quotes by french double quotes)
>> 
>> Is this behavior confirmed?
> 
> yes, taht is correct bahvior!
> 
> But you can force case sensitivity in LC:
> ...
> set the casesensitive to TRUE
> answer theArray[« Ddt »]
> ## -> NADA!
> 
> answer theArray[« ddt »]
> ## Will do what you want.
> ...
> 
>> Best regards
>> François
> 
> Best
> 
> Klaus
> 
> --
> Klaus Major
> https://www.major-k.de
> https://www.major-k.de/bass
> klaus at major-k.de
> 
> 
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From brian at milby7.com  Wed Aug 24 23:22:25 2022
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2022 23:22:25 -0400
Subject: Svg Icon Tool
Message-ID: <CA+yhkRZT7MyKJbDmF4F=D-ubY86P8OA4t1bZ3bsT=8UCVsCb8A@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings list!

A few years ago I published a tool that allowed easy creation of the Icon
Families that I had been working on to integrate into the IDE.  (The code
had been started, but users had no way to leverage the planned capability
at the time.)  At that time I simply posted it to Sample Stacks and a copy
on my web server with more icons.

I had been wanting to get it onto GitHub for quite some time, but never got
around to it.  In another thread I mentioned the tool and Mike asked if it
was available on GitHub.  That was just the sort of thing I needed to get
it posted.  (Thanks Mike!)

https://github.com/bwmilby/SvgIconTool

The most significant change that I've made with this version is that it
will keep the icon families and prefs stored as separate files instead of
inside the stack.  This will make things much easier since plugins start as
a palette and you have to toplevel it to save (which is no longer
necessary).  If you use the previous version, you only really need to worry
about any custom families that you imported.  All of the ones that I
provided earlier are available in the repository and can be loaded in bulk
by dragging them onto the library card.

I welcome feedback and bug reports on the GitHub repository.

Thanks and have a blessed day!
Brian Milby

From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Thu Aug 25 07:06:31 2022
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 13:06:31 +0200
Subject: Svg Icon Tool
In-Reply-To: <CA+yhkRZT7MyKJbDmF4F=D-ubY86P8OA4t1bZ3bsT=8UCVsCb8A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+yhkRZT7MyKJbDmF4F=D-ubY86P8OA4t1bZ3bsT=8UCVsCb8A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <11ACB0FB-09A5-454C-836E-0B6CB2DAC0F7@m-r-d.de>

Thank you very much for this great tool.

Maybe you add some information to the readme.md what files/folders from the zip have to be copied to the plugins folder.

Regards,
Matthias


> Am 25.08.2022 um 05:22 schrieb Brian Milby via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Greetings list!
> 
> A few years ago I published a tool that allowed easy creation of the Icon
> Families that I had been working on to integrate into the IDE.  (The code
> had been started, but users had no way to leverage the planned capability
> at the time.)  At that time I simply posted it to Sample Stacks and a copy
> on my web server with more icons.
> 
> I had been wanting to get it onto GitHub for quite some time, but never got
> around to it.  In another thread I mentioned the tool and Mike asked if it
> was available on GitHub.  That was just the sort of thing I needed to get
> it posted.  (Thanks Mike!)
> 
> https://github.com/bwmilby/SvgIconTool
> 
> The most significant change that I've made with this version is that it
> will keep the icon families and prefs stored as separate files instead of
> inside the stack.  This will make things much easier since plugins start as
> a palette and you have to toplevel it to save (which is no longer
> necessary).  If you use the previous version, you only really need to worry
> about any custom families that you imported.  All of the ones that I
> provided earlier are available in the repository and can be loaded in bulk
> by dragging them onto the library card.
> 
> I welcome feedback and bug reports on the GitHub repository.
> 
> Thanks and have a blessed day!
> Brian Milby
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode



From brian at milby7.com  Thu Aug 25 07:36:42 2022
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 07:36:42 -0400
Subject: Svg Icon Tool
In-Reply-To: <11ACB0FB-09A5-454C-836E-0B6CB2DAC0F7@m-r-d.de>
References: <11ACB0FB-09A5-454C-836E-0B6CB2DAC0F7@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <F9C11183-28C6-4D98-9051-F07201A60768@milby7.com>

You are welcome!

Good idea.  Just one file needs to be copied (SvgIconTool.livecode) to install.  If you ran it once and imported families, then you can copy or move the milby.us folder to retain the settings (I actually link that folder so I can run as a plug-in or from the repo and use the same settings.)

Thanks,
Brian

> On Aug 25, 2022, at 7:07 AM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Thank you very much for this great tool.
> 
> Maybe you add some information to the readme.md what files/folders from the zip have to be copied to the plugins folder.
> 
> Regards,
> Matthias
> 
> 
>> Am 25.08.2022 um 05:22 schrieb Brian Milby via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>> 
>> Greetings list!
>> 
>> A few years ago I published a tool that allowed easy creation of the Icon
>> Families that I had been working on to integrate into the IDE.  (The code
>> had been started, but users had no way to leverage the planned capability
>> at the time.)  At that time I simply posted it to Sample Stacks and a copy
>> on my web server with more icons.
>> 
>> I had been wanting to get it onto GitHub for quite some time, but never got
>> around to it.  In another thread I mentioned the tool and Mike asked if it
>> was available on GitHub.  That was just the sort of thing I needed to get
>> it posted.  (Thanks Mike!)
>> 
>> https://github.com/bwmilby/SvgIconTool
>> 
>> The most significant change that I've made with this version is that it
>> will keep the icon families and prefs stored as separate files instead of
>> inside the stack.  This will make things much easier since plugins start as
>> a palette and you have to toplevel it to save (which is no longer
>> necessary).  If you use the previous version, you only really need to worry
>> about any custom families that you imported.  All of the ones that I
>> provided earlier are available in the repository and can be loaded in bulk
>> by dragging them onto the library card.
>> 
>> I welcome feedback and bug reports on the GitHub repository.
>> 
>> Thanks and have a blessed day!
>> Brian Milby
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> 
> 
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From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Thu Aug 25 09:16:05 2022
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 09:16:05 -0400
Subject: Svg Icon Tool
In-Reply-To: <F9C11183-28C6-4D98-9051-F07201A60768@milby7.com>
References: <11ACB0FB-09A5-454C-836E-0B6CB2DAC0F7@m-r-d.de>
 <F9C11183-28C6-4D98-9051-F07201A60768@milby7.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycNWPrGx2HjRKf+-QT-KofGS=Y5Lhf9d1YeNWg_W-wTO1A@mail.gmail.com>

Hey, man, if it's that easy to get you to do something, then
* Make the tree widget better
* Make the NavBar better
Boom. Hero me.

On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 7:37 AM Brian Milby via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> You are welcome!
>
> Good idea.  Just one file needs to be copied (SvgIconTool.livecode) to
> install.  If you ran it once and imported families, then you can copy or
> move the milby.us folder to retain the settings (I actually link that
> folder so I can run as a plug-in or from the repo and use the same
> settings.)
>
> Thanks,
> Brian
>
> > On Aug 25, 2022, at 7:07 AM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Thank you very much for this great tool.
> >
> > Maybe you add some information to the readme.md what files/folders from
> the zip have to be copied to the plugins folder.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Matthias
> >
> >
> >> Am 25.08.2022 um 05:22 schrieb Brian Milby via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> >>
> >> Greetings list!
> >>
> >> A few years ago I published a tool that allowed easy creation of the
> Icon
> >> Families that I had been working on to integrate into the IDE.  (The
> code
> >> had been started, but users had no way to leverage the planned
> capability
> >> at the time.)  At that time I simply posted it to Sample Stacks and a
> copy
> >> on my web server with more icons.
> >>
> >> I had been wanting to get it onto GitHub for quite some time, but never
> got
> >> around to it.  In another thread I mentioned the tool and Mike asked if
> it
> >> was available on GitHub.  That was just the sort of thing I needed to
> get
> >> it posted.  (Thanks Mike!)
> >>
> >> https://github.com/bwmilby/SvgIconTool
> >>
> >> The most significant change that I've made with this version is that it
> >> will keep the icon families and prefs stored as separate files instead
> of
> >> inside the stack.  This will make things much easier since plugins
> start as
> >> a palette and you have to toplevel it to save (which is no longer
> >> necessary).  If you use the previous version, you only really need to
> worry
> >> about any custom families that you imported.  All of the ones that I
> >> provided earlier are available in the repository and can be loaded in
> bulk
> >> by dragging them onto the library card.
> >>
> >> I welcome feedback and bug reports on the GitHub repository.
> >>
> >> Thanks and have a blessed day!
> >> Brian Milby
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> use-livecode mailing list
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >
> >
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On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."

From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Thu Aug 25 09:19:05 2022
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 09:19:05 -0400
Subject: Svg Icon Tool
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycNWPrGx2HjRKf+-QT-KofGS=Y5Lhf9d1YeNWg_W-wTO1A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <11ACB0FB-09A5-454C-836E-0B6CB2DAC0F7@m-r-d.de>
 <F9C11183-28C6-4D98-9051-F07201A60768@milby7.com>
 <CADCoycNWPrGx2HjRKf+-QT-KofGS=Y5Lhf9d1YeNWg_W-wTO1A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycMkUsjugLwfxMmJRdFg8tps=Af=SdL8=agSqxRM2BHhmg@mail.gmail.com>

Although, as long as we're having this discussion, the navBar is higher
priority, so hit that, first.

On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 9:16 AM Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com>
wrote:

> Hey, man, if it's that easy to get you to do something, then
> * Make the tree widget better
> * Make the NavBar better
> Boom. Hero me.
>
> On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 7:37 AM Brian Milby via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> You are welcome!
>>
>> Good idea.  Just one file needs to be copied (SvgIconTool.livecode) to
>> install.  If you ran it once and imported families, then you can copy or
>> move the milby.us folder to retain the settings (I actually link that
>> folder so I can run as a plug-in or from the repo and use the same
>> settings.)
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Brian
>>
>> > On Aug 25, 2022, at 7:07 AM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Thank you very much for this great tool.
>> >
>> > Maybe you add some information to the readme.md what files/folders from
>> the zip have to be copied to the plugins folder.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Matthias
>> >
>> >
>> >> Am 25.08.2022 um 05:22 schrieb Brian Milby via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>> >>
>> >> Greetings list!
>> >>
>> >> A few years ago I published a tool that allowed easy creation of the
>> Icon
>> >> Families that I had been working on to integrate into the IDE.  (The
>> code
>> >> had been started, but users had no way to leverage the planned
>> capability
>> >> at the time.)  At that time I simply posted it to Sample Stacks and a
>> copy
>> >> on my web server with more icons.
>> >>
>> >> I had been wanting to get it onto GitHub for quite some time, but
>> never got
>> >> around to it.  In another thread I mentioned the tool and Mike asked
>> if it
>> >> was available on GitHub.  That was just the sort of thing I needed to
>> get
>> >> it posted.  (Thanks Mike!)
>> >>
>> >> https://github.com/bwmilby/SvgIconTool
>> >>
>> >> The most significant change that I've made with this version is that it
>> >> will keep the icon families and prefs stored as separate files instead
>> of
>> >> inside the stack.  This will make things much easier since plugins
>> start as
>> >> a palette and you have to toplevel it to save (which is no longer
>> >> necessary).  If you use the previous version, you only really need to
>> worry
>> >> about any custom families that you imported.  All of the ones that I
>> >> provided earlier are available in the repository and can be loaded in
>> bulk
>> >> by dragging them onto the library card.
>> >>
>> >> I welcome feedback and bug reports on the GitHub repository.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks and have a blessed day!
>> >> Brian Milby
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> use-livecode mailing list
>> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>> >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> >
>> >
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>
> --
> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>    and did a little diving.
> And God said, "This is good."
>


-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."

From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Thu Aug 25 10:21:00 2022
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 10:21:00 -0400
Subject: Sorting [was: Polygrid sorting]
In-Reply-To: <97843037-9ab0-804c-640c-13dc5599bcbf@researchware.com>
References: <99ac10ee-60a1-ab16-f47e-72a709af317e@tweedly.net>
 <97843037-9ab0-804c-640c-13dc5599bcbf@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycN1kwPJOzSvoLD8zFju875DS64xZxV9vQkxBqq8dfFmLQ@mail.gmail.com>

it will probably be faster and more flexible to have your database do your
soriting for you, though.

On Mon, Aug 15, 2022 at 7:47 PM Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Perhaps some expansion of the column "pgContentTypeofColumn" property?
> The current possible values are:
> text|svg-lcname|imagedata|imagefile|color|boolean|autoincrement
> Allowing the addition of 'numeric' and 'datetime' would at least allow a
> mapping to sorts although sort support 'international' (perhaps should
> be the default for a polygrid column of type "text" and "binary". I am
> also not sure how svg-iconname, imagedata, imagefile, and color should
> sort. Perhaps svg-iconname should sort as "text". Bolean can sort as
> "text" since ascending puts "false" first and descending puts "true" first.
>
>
> On 8/15/2022 7:25 PM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:
> > So it occurred to me, while playing with sorting by columns, that it
> > might be nice to have an additional "sortType" available.
> >
> > I'd like to be able to say
> >
> >  - if all the 'things' being sorted on are numbers, then sort numeric,
> > otherwise sort alphabetical.
> >
> > Would that be a reasonable enhancement request ?
> >
> > Would "natural" be a reasonable suggested name ?
> >
> > Alex.
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."

From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Aug 25 11:02:39 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 15:02:39 +0000
Subject: Sorting [was: Polygrid sorting]
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycN1kwPJOzSvoLD8zFju875DS64xZxV9vQkxBqq8dfFmLQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <99ac10ee-60a1-ab16-f47e-72a709af317e@tweedly.net>
 <97843037-9ab0-804c-640c-13dc5599bcbf@researchware.com>
 <CADCoycN1kwPJOzSvoLD8zFju875DS64xZxV9vQkxBqq8dfFmLQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2B3CD906-B4C8-4390-BF55-54288FD6D907@iotecdigital.com>

+1 if the source is a dabs, sort during query.

Bob S


On Aug 25, 2022, at 07:21 , Mike Kerner via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com<mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:

it will probably be faster and more flexible to have your database do your
soriting for you, though.

On Mon, Aug 15, 2022 at 7:47 PM Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com<mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:

Perhaps some expansion of the column "pgContentTypeofColumn" property?
The current possible values are:
text|svg-lcname|imagedata|imagefile|color|boolean|autoincrement
Allowing the addition of 'numeric' and 'datetime' would at least allow a
mapping to sorts although sort support 'international' (perhaps should
be the default for a polygrid column of type "text" and "binary". I am
also not sure how svg-iconname, imagedata, imagefile, and color should
sort. Perhaps svg-iconname should sort as "text". Bolean can sort as
"text" since ascending puts "false" first and descending puts "true" first.


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Aug 25 11:17:44 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 15:17:44 +0000
Subject: Sorting [was: Polygrid sorting]
In-Reply-To: <2B3CD906-B4C8-4390-BF55-54288FD6D907@iotecdigital.com>
References: <99ac10ee-60a1-ab16-f47e-72a709af317e@tweedly.net>
 <97843037-9ab0-804c-640c-13dc5599bcbf@researchware.com>
 <CADCoycN1kwPJOzSvoLD8zFju875DS64xZxV9vQkxBqq8dfFmLQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <2B3CD906-B4C8-4390-BF55-54288FD6D907@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <4CA40921-F84A-48BA-AF8D-29E2D4DDDE38@iotecdigital.com>

Not sure how that happened. If the source is a DATABASE...

On Aug 25, 2022, at 08:02 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com<mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:

+1 if the source is a dabs, sort during query.

Bob S


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Aug 25 11:25:25 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 15:25:25 +0000
Subject: BN Guides
Message-ID: <2B813B89-5BA5-4C48-8B36-35BBE9344B07@iotecdigital.com>

Who wrote BN Guides? Very cool, but there is a conflict with Navigator. When I double-click an object in Navigator to open it's script, I get t he BNGuides script instead. 

Bob S



From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Thu Aug 25 11:33:59 2022
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 17:33:59 +0200
Subject: BN Guides
In-Reply-To: <2B813B89-5BA5-4C48-8B36-35BBE9344B07@iotecdigital.com>
References: <2B813B89-5BA5-4C48-8B36-35BBE9344B07@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <1756B864-8B98-407C-B48F-587D16BF059C@m-r-d.de>

Bernd Niggemann wrote it.

> Am 25.08.2022 um 17:25 schrieb Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Who wrote BN Guides? Very cool, but there is a conflict with Navigator. When I double-click an object in Navigator to open it's script, I get t he BNGuides script instead. 
> 
> Bob S
> 
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From paul at researchware.com  Thu Aug 25 11:38:15 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 11:38:15 -0400
Subject: Sorting [was: Polygrid sorting]
In-Reply-To: <4CA40921-F84A-48BA-AF8D-29E2D4DDDE38@iotecdigital.com>
References: <99ac10ee-60a1-ab16-f47e-72a709af317e@tweedly.net>
 <97843037-9ab0-804c-640c-13dc5599bcbf@researchware.com>
 <CADCoycN1kwPJOzSvoLD8zFju875DS64xZxV9vQkxBqq8dfFmLQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <2B3CD906-B4C8-4390-BF55-54288FD6D907@iotecdigital.com>
 <4CA40921-F84A-48BA-AF8D-29E2D4DDDE38@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <5457f16e-c91e-5c6b-6922-1993272670fe@researchware.com>

So what if you use the column headers on a PolyGrid (or whatever) to 
give the user a UI for sorting by column (adding, or not, sort arrows to 
the header labels).

Is it still more efficient to re-query the database with the new, user 
chosen, sort order and repopulate the PolyGrid?

Or more efficient to just resort the data already populated into the 
grid in the desired order the user has chosen? I suspect this later is 
the more efficient case unless you are sure you have a fast network and 
server with low latency and no competition for bandwidth.

As always, people's use-cases for these widgets vary widely. That is why 
the more versatile a widget is the often (but not always) the better it is.


On 8/25/2022 11:17 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
> Not sure how that happened. If the source is a DATABASE...
>
> On Aug 25, 2022, at 08:02 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com<mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
>
> +1 if the source is a dabs, sort during query.
>
> Bob S
>
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From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Thu Aug 25 11:45:42 2022
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 17:45:42 +0200
Subject: BN Guides
In-Reply-To: <1756B864-8B98-407C-B48F-587D16BF059C@m-r-d.de>
References: <2B813B89-5BA5-4C48-8B36-35BBE9344B07@iotecdigital.com>
 <1756B864-8B98-407C-B48F-587D16BF059C@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <8D0EEE28-0269-4D46-9F5F-0FB7979F29B1@m-r-d.de>

Forgot to place the link to the forum where he announced it.

https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=31920

Matthias

> Am 25.08.2022 um 17:33 schrieb matthias rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Bernd Niggemann wrote it.
> 
>> Am 25.08.2022 um 17:25 schrieb Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>> 
>> Who wrote BN Guides? Very cool, but there is a conflict with Navigator. When I double-click an object in Navigator to open it's script, I get t he BNGuides script instead. 
>> 
>> Bob S
>> 
>> 
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From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Thu Aug 25 11:57:35 2022
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 11:57:35 -0400
Subject: Sorting [was: Polygrid sorting]
In-Reply-To: <5457f16e-c91e-5c6b-6922-1993272670fe@researchware.com>
References: <99ac10ee-60a1-ab16-f47e-72a709af317e@tweedly.net>
 <97843037-9ab0-804c-640c-13dc5599bcbf@researchware.com>
 <CADCoycN1kwPJOzSvoLD8zFju875DS64xZxV9vQkxBqq8dfFmLQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <2B3CD906-B4C8-4390-BF55-54288FD6D907@iotecdigital.com>
 <4CA40921-F84A-48BA-AF8D-29E2D4DDDE38@iotecdigital.com>
 <5457f16e-c91e-5c6b-6922-1993272670fe@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycNO2d+qboijhmXPeG3okYgTMB_Fi5aLnPuvO7cp1EV-jA@mail.gmail.com>

oh, i love this topic. this onion is so, so thick.
since you are throwing in the curveball of on-demand column sorting, i have
several suggestions (and these are just my suggestions):
the obvious one is to use one of the bajillion ways that LC can sort,
right? grab the data (if you don't already have the data in a container
that you're using to populate the widget), sort it, put it back
the less obvious is to do what i end up doing in many of my apps (because
everything i write, now, is mobile), and that is have a local sqlite or
mysql db. keep all the data that you retrieve from the server in there, and
use the local copy as the data source. i do that because i can't guarantee
network connectivity, but i want my apps to run, anyway. in that case, my
sorting is still done in my db - my local cache. plus, if my app exits,
crashes, loses the focus, device reboots, etc., i want it to come back in
exactly the state it was in when it left, which is something that's easy to
do with a local db.
then there's using the local command line, because every OS has a sort
routine you can call.

From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Aug 25 12:15:29 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 16:15:29 +0000
Subject: BN Guides
In-Reply-To: <8D0EEE28-0269-4D46-9F5F-0FB7979F29B1@m-r-d.de>
References: <2B813B89-5BA5-4C48-8B36-35BBE9344B07@iotecdigital.com>
 <1756B864-8B98-407C-B48F-587D16BF059C@m-r-d.de>
 <8D0EEE28-0269-4D46-9F5F-0FB7979F29B1@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <87B52679-F392-4074-A923-2A8BB8D07776@iotecdigital.com>

Unfortunately I am unable to login to the forums (again) as the saved password I have for it no longer works. Also, if I ask for the activation link to be resent, both emails I would have used along with the only user name I use for everything (slylabs13), results in Account Not Found. Submitting a password reset on either of the two emails never sends a password reset email. Trying to register from scratch with slylabs13 as the user name generates an error that the user name is already in use!

I am then advised to contact the administrator, but there is no link I can find on the forums page for an administrator.

So far, I am unusually calm. Normally I'd be cursing and swearing by now. :-)

Bob S


On Aug 25, 2022, at 08:45 , matthias rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com<mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:

Forgot to place the link to the forum where he announced it.

https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=31920

Matthias


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Aug 25 12:17:30 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 16:17:30 +0000
Subject: BN Guides
In-Reply-To: <87B52679-F392-4074-A923-2A8BB8D07776@iotecdigital.com>
References: <2B813B89-5BA5-4C48-8B36-35BBE9344B07@iotecdigital.com>
 <1756B864-8B98-407C-B48F-587D16BF059C@m-r-d.de>
 <8D0EEE28-0269-4D46-9F5F-0FB7979F29B1@m-r-d.de>
 <87B52679-F392-4074-A923-2A8BB8D07776@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <BC5638D1-4B3D-4162-ACE3-A0DDC5BCE103@iotecdigital.com>

I found the link to the Board Administrator. The board administrator link has been disabled. LOL!

Bob S


On Aug 25, 2022, at 09:15 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com<mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:

I am then advised to contact the administrator, but there is no link I can find on the forums page for an administrator.


From alex at tweedly.net  Thu Aug 25 12:39:36 2022
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 17:39:36 +0100
Subject: BN Guides
In-Reply-To: <BC5638D1-4B3D-4162-ACE3-A0DDC5BCE103@iotecdigital.com>
References: <BC5638D1-4B3D-4162-ACE3-A0DDC5BCE103@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <7B163A35-88EF-4869-879E-30515F094AA3@tweedly.net>

Bob,

Just email Heather- she can do everything !

Probably the support @ livecode.com address would be more correct than her directly.

Alex

Sent from my iPhone

> On 25 Aug 2022, at 17:18, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I found the link to the Board Administrator. The board administrator link has been disabled. LOL!
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
> On Aug 25, 2022, at 09:15 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com<mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
> 
> I am then advised to contact the administrator, but there is no link I can find on the forums page for an administrator.
> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Aug 25 13:10:57 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 17:10:57 +0000
Subject: Exclude Keywords from Auto-Complete
Message-ID: <1D996715-EFE2-430C-83DF-D2C78B508265@iotecdigital.com>

Hi all. 

I just submitted an enhancement request to create a new global property of keywords to exclude from the SE Auto-Complete feature. The reason is, whenever I type "of me" in the SE, I get suggestions for mergeDeploy, and if I hit tab to reformat the script or to move to the next parameter of an auto-complete suggestion, it replaces "me" with the first mergeDeploy suggestion. There are other scenarios I've run into as well. 

Also, I looked in the SE preferences for auto-complete, but did not find an entry. There is one for Auto Format, but that enables/disables the auto-indent feature. Hopefully they are not both enabled/disabled by that one check box. 

https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23900

Bob S



From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net  Thu Aug 25 13:24:09 2022
From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 13:24:09 -0400
Subject: Exclude Keywords from Auto-Complete
In-Reply-To: <1D996715-EFE2-430C-83DF-D2C78B508265@iotecdigital.com>
References: <1D996715-EFE2-430C-83DF-D2C78B508265@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <003c01d8b8a7$7f667560$7e336020$@net>

In the edit=>options of the SE there is an option to turn autocomplete
On/Off. There is also edit=>Autocomplete Snippet Manager. I have not used it
but it looks interesting. It may solve your problem with the "alternate"
option?

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdimola at evergreeninfo.net

-----Original Message-----
From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf
Of Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2022 1:11 PM
To: How to use LiveCode
Cc: Bob Sneidar
Subject: Exclude Keywords from Auto-Complete

Hi all. 

I just submitted an enhancement request to create a new global property of
keywords to exclude from the SE Auto-Complete feature. The reason is,
whenever I type "of me" in the SE, I get suggestions for mergeDeploy, and if
I hit tab to reformat the script or to move to the next parameter of an
auto-complete suggestion, it replaces "me" with the first mergeDeploy
suggestion. There are other scenarios I've run into as well. 

Also, I looked in the SE preferences for auto-complete, but did not find an
entry. There is one for Auto Format, but that enables/disables the
auto-indent feature. Hopefully they are not both enabled/disabled by that
one check box. 

https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23900

Bob S


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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Aug 25 13:47:15 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 17:47:15 +0000
Subject: Exclude Keywords from Auto-Complete
In-Reply-To: <003c01d8b8a7$7f667560$7e336020$@net>
References: <1D996715-EFE2-430C-83DF-D2C78B508265@iotecdigital.com>
 <003c01d8b8a7$7f667560$7e336020$@net>
Message-ID: <A19455D6-6960-4DF1-B0F8-FD3FF0076C48@iotecdigital.com>

Thanks Ralph, that looks interesting. I see:

if ${condition:expression} then
   ${-- true code:statement}
else # ${condition}
   {-- false code:statement}
end if # ${condition}

Not sure how to use that but I will research. Thanks. 

Bob S


> On Aug 25, 2022, at 10:24 , Ralph DiMola via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> In the edit=>options of the SE there is an option to turn autocomplete
> On/Off. There is also edit=>Autocomplete Snippet Manager. I have not used it
> but it looks interesting. It may solve your problem with the "alternate"
> option?
> 
> Ralph DiMola
> IT Director
> Evergreen Information Services
> rdimola at evergreeninfo.net
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf
> Of Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
> Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2022 1:11 PM
> To: How to use LiveCode
> Cc: Bob Sneidar
> Subject: Exclude Keywords from Auto-Complete
> 
> Hi all. 
> 
> I just submitted an enhancement request to create a new global property of
> keywords to exclude from the SE Auto-Complete feature. The reason is,
> whenever I type "of me" in the SE, I get suggestions for mergeDeploy, and if
> I hit tab to reformat the script or to move to the next parameter of an
> auto-complete suggestion, it replaces "me" with the first mergeDeploy
> suggestion. There are other scenarios I've run into as well. 
> 
> Also, I looked in the SE preferences for auto-complete, but did not find an
> entry. There is one for Auto Format, but that enables/disables the
> auto-indent feature. Hopefully they are not both enabled/disabled by that
> one check box. 
> 
> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23900
> 
> Bob S



From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net  Thu Aug 25 14:38:20 2022
From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 14:38:20 -0400
Subject: Svg Icon Tool
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycMkUsjugLwfxMmJRdFg8tps=Af=SdL8=agSqxRM2BHhmg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <11ACB0FB-09A5-454C-836E-0B6CB2DAC0F7@m-r-d.de>
 <F9C11183-28C6-4D98-9051-F07201A60768@milby7.com>
 <CADCoycNWPrGx2HjRKf+-QT-KofGS=Y5Lhf9d1YeNWg_W-wTO1A@mail.gmail.com>
 <CADCoycMkUsjugLwfxMmJRdFg8tps=Af=SdL8=agSqxRM2BHhmg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <004001d8b8b1$dcaeb930$960c2b90$@net>

Mike,
I have used my own version of the navbar widget for years. I added an option to enlarge/vertically justify the icon if there is no label and eliminated the "new item" thingy. I think the stock widget already lets you select the zero option. I added that back before the stock widget let you do it. What changes/enhancements are you looking for?

I also have LCS routines to store the navbar options as a custom property array. I have handlers to add/delete/change option text and icons via script for a contextual UI. They are not documented or polished but if there is any interest I will look into it.

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdimola at evergreeninfo.net


-----Original Message-----
From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Mike Kerner via use-livecode
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2022 9:19 AM
To: How to use LiveCode
Cc: Mike Kerner
Subject: Re: Svg Icon Tool

Although, as long as we're having this discussion, the navBar is higher priority, so hit that, first.

On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 9:16 AM Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com>
wrote:

> Hey, man, if it's that easy to get you to do something, then
> * Make the tree widget better
> * Make the NavBar better
> Boom. Hero me.
>
> On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 7:37 AM Brian Milby via use-livecode < 
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> You are welcome!
>>
>> Good idea.  Just one file needs to be copied (SvgIconTool.livecode) 
>> to install.  If you ran it once and imported families, then you can 
>> copy or move the milby.us folder to retain the settings (I actually 
>> link that folder so I can run as a plug-in or from the repo and use 
>> the same
>> settings.)
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Brian
>>
>> > On Aug 25, 2022, at 7:07 AM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Thank you very much for this great tool.
>> >
>> > Maybe you add some information to the readme.md what files/folders 
>> > from
>> the zip have to be copied to the plugins folder.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Matthias
>> >
>> >
>> >> Am 25.08.2022 um 05:22 schrieb Brian Milby via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>> >>
>> >> Greetings list!
>> >>
>> >> A few years ago I published a tool that allowed easy creation of 
>> >> the
>> Icon
>> >> Families that I had been working on to integrate into the IDE.  
>> >> (The
>> code
>> >> had been started, but users had no way to leverage the planned
>> capability
>> >> at the time.)  At that time I simply posted it to Sample Stacks 
>> >> and a
>> copy
>> >> on my web server with more icons.
>> >>
>> >> I had been wanting to get it onto GitHub for quite some time, but
>> never got
>> >> around to it.  In another thread I mentioned the tool and Mike 
>> >> asked
>> if it
>> >> was available on GitHub.  That was just the sort of thing I needed 
>> >> to
>> get
>> >> it posted.  (Thanks Mike!)
>> >>
>> >> https://github.com/bwmilby/SvgIconTool
>> >>
>> >> The most significant change that I've made with this version is 
>> >> that it will keep the icon families and prefs stored as separate 
>> >> files instead
>> of
>> >> inside the stack.  This will make things much easier since plugins
>> start as
>> >> a palette and you have to toplevel it to save (which is no longer 
>> >> necessary).  If you use the previous version, you only really need 
>> >> to
>> worry
>> >> about any custom families that you imported.  All of the ones that 
>> >> I provided earlier are available in the repository and can be 
>> >> loaded in
>> bulk
>> >> by dragging them onto the library card.
>> >>
>> >> I welcome feedback and bug reports on the GitHub repository.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks and have a blessed day!
>> >> Brian Milby
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>


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   and did a little diving.
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From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Thu Aug 25 14:46:39 2022
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 14:46:39 -0400
Subject: Svg Icon Tool
In-Reply-To: <004001d8b8b1$dcaeb930$960c2b90$@net>
References: <11ACB0FB-09A5-454C-836E-0B6CB2DAC0F7@m-r-d.de>
 <F9C11183-28C6-4D98-9051-F07201A60768@milby7.com>
 <CADCoycNWPrGx2HjRKf+-QT-KofGS=Y5Lhf9d1YeNWg_W-wTO1A@mail.gmail.com>
 <CADCoycMkUsjugLwfxMmJRdFg8tps=Af=SdL8=agSqxRM2BHhmg@mail.gmail.com>
 <004001d8b8b1$dcaeb930$960c2b90$@net>
Message-ID: <CADCoycM0P7z5c5-PM1i_cvGoY6EKyt1HoJb29cfbmX81Vnrwew@mail.gmail.com>

the two things that are glaring, imho are
* [preHiliteChanged](https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23207) -
someone taps on a selection. i do a check, throw up a "nope", and nothing
changes. this one is preventing me from moving off of the tmControls navbar.
* autowidth to the card width.
but there are several others, as well
https://quality.livecode.com/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=navigation%20bar&list_id=105904
listen, i get it. i need to re-learn lcb and actually use it.
but i also have force powers, so i know that someone is going to do these
things, before i do, and then i won't have to.

On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 2:39 PM Ralph DiMola via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Mike,
> I have used my own version of the navbar widget for years. I added an
> option to enlarge/vertically justify the icon if there is no label and
> eliminated the "new item" thingy. I think the stock widget already lets you
> select the zero option. I added that back before the stock widget let you
> do it. What changes/enhancements are you looking for?
>
> I also have LCS routines to store the navbar options as a custom property
> array. I have handlers to add/delete/change option text and icons via
> script for a contextual UI. They are not documented or polished but if
> there is any interest I will look into it.
>
> Ralph DiMola
> IT Director
> Evergreen Information Services
> rdimola at evergreeninfo.net
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On
> Behalf Of Mike Kerner via use-livecode
> Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2022 9:19 AM
> To: How to use LiveCode
> Cc: Mike Kerner
> Subject: Re: Svg Icon Tool
>
> Although, as long as we're having this discussion, the navBar is higher
> priority, so hit that, first.
>
> On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 9:16 AM Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hey, man, if it's that easy to get you to do something, then
> > * Make the tree widget better
> > * Make the NavBar better
> > Boom. Hero me.
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 7:37 AM Brian Milby via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >> You are welcome!
> >>
> >> Good idea.  Just one file needs to be copied (SvgIconTool.livecode)
> >> to install.  If you ran it once and imported families, then you can
> >> copy or move the milby.us folder to retain the settings (I actually
> >> link that folder so I can run as a plug-in or from the repo and use
> >> the same
> >> settings.)
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Brian
> >>
> >> > On Aug 25, 2022, at 7:07 AM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Thank you very much for this great tool.
> >> >
> >> > Maybe you add some information to the readme.md what files/folders
> >> > from
> >> the zip have to be copied to the plugins folder.
> >> >
> >> > Regards,
> >> > Matthias
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> Am 25.08.2022 um 05:22 schrieb Brian Milby via use-livecode <
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> >> >>
> >> >> Greetings list!
> >> >>
> >> >> A few years ago I published a tool that allowed easy creation of
> >> >> the
> >> Icon
> >> >> Families that I had been working on to integrate into the IDE.
> >> >> (The
> >> code
> >> >> had been started, but users had no way to leverage the planned
> >> capability
> >> >> at the time.)  At that time I simply posted it to Sample Stacks
> >> >> and a
> >> copy
> >> >> on my web server with more icons.
> >> >>
> >> >> I had been wanting to get it onto GitHub for quite some time, but
> >> never got
> >> >> around to it.  In another thread I mentioned the tool and Mike
> >> >> asked
> >> if it
> >> >> was available on GitHub.  That was just the sort of thing I needed
> >> >> to
> >> get
> >> >> it posted.  (Thanks Mike!)
> >> >>
> >> >> https://github.com/bwmilby/SvgIconTool
> >> >>
> >> >> The most significant change that I've made with this version is
> >> >> that it will keep the icon families and prefs stored as separate
> >> >> files instead
> >> of
> >> >> inside the stack.  This will make things much easier since plugins
> >> start as
> >> >> a palette and you have to toplevel it to save (which is no longer
> >> >> necessary).  If you use the previous version, you only really need
> >> >> to
> >> worry
> >> >> about any custom families that you imported.  All of the ones that
> >> >> I provided earlier are available in the repository and can be
> >> >> loaded in
> >> bulk
> >> >> by dragging them onto the library card.
> >> >>
> >> >> I welcome feedback and bug reports on the GitHub repository.
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks and have a blessed day!
> >> >> Brian Milby
> >> >> _______________________________________________
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> >> >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
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> > day, God created the oceans.
> > On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
> >    and did a little diving.
> > And God said, "This is good."
> >
>
>
> --
> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day,
> God created the oceans.
> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>    and did a little diving.
> And God said, "This is good."
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On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."

From brian at milby7.com  Thu Aug 25 17:47:34 2022
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 17:47:34 -0400
Subject: Svg Icon Tool
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycM0P7z5c5-PM1i_cvGoY6EKyt1HoJb29cfbmX81Vnrwew@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycM0P7z5c5-PM1i_cvGoY6EKyt1HoJb29cfbmX81Vnrwew@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7808C04E-821A-4FA6-A1BE-59696DEC3D98@milby7.com>


I think what we probably need is simply:

set the hilitedItemSilently of widget 1 to 1
Or
set the hilitedItemWithoutMessage of widget 1 to 1

This would allow more elegant solutions to many of the raised issues.

Thanks,
Brian


Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 25, 2022, at 2:48 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> the two things that are glaring, imho are
> * [preHiliteChanged](https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23207) -
> someone taps on a selection. i do a check, throw up a "nope", and nothing
> changes. this one is preventing me from moving off of the tmControls navbar.
> * autowidth to the card width.
> but there are several others, as well
> https://quality.livecode.com/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=navigation%20bar&list_id=105904
> listen, i get it. i need to re-learn lcb and actually use it.
> but i also have force powers, so i know that someone is going to do these
> things, before i do, and then i won't have to.
> 
>> On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 2:39 PM Ralph DiMola via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Mike,
>> I have used my own version of the navbar widget for years. I added an
>> option to enlarge/vertically justify the icon if there is no label and
>> eliminated the "new item" thingy. I think the stock widget already lets you
>> select the zero option. I added that back before the stock widget let you
>> do it. What changes/enhancements are you looking for?
>> 
>> I also have LCS routines to store the navbar options as a custom property
>> array. I have handlers to add/delete/change option text and icons via
>> script for a contextual UI. They are not documented or polished but if
>> there is any interest I will look into it.
>> 
>> Ralph DiMola
>> IT Director
>> Evergreen Information Services
>> rdimola at evergreeninfo.net
>> 

From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Fri Aug 26 09:01:04 2022
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2022 09:01:04 -0400
Subject: Svg Icon Tool
In-Reply-To: <7808C04E-821A-4FA6-A1BE-59696DEC3D98@milby7.com>
References: <CADCoycM0P7z5c5-PM1i_cvGoY6EKyt1HoJb29cfbmX81Vnrwew@mail.gmail.com>
 <7808C04E-821A-4FA6-A1BE-59696DEC3D98@milby7.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycNhxinwYffTcGF0qWrJQdCf8BmnZv75CU0sH62kd0O_3g@mail.gmail.com>

i don't think so. i want to be able to be able to intercept the
touch/click, and decide what to do. sometimes i want to ignore it.
sometimes i want to throw up an error and not switch. sometimes i want to
do something else, first.

On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 5:48 PM Brian Milby via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

>
> I think what we probably need is simply:
>
> set the hilitedItemSilently of widget 1 to 1
> Or
> set the hilitedItemWithoutMessage of widget 1 to 1
>
> This would allow more elegant solutions to many of the raised issues.
>
> Thanks,
> Brian
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Aug 25, 2022, at 2:48 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > the two things that are glaring, imho are
> > * [preHiliteChanged](https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23207)
> -
> > someone taps on a selection. i do a check, throw up a "nope", and nothing
> > changes. this one is preventing me from moving off of the tmControls
> navbar.
> > * autowidth to the card width.
> > but there are several others, as well
> >
> https://quality.livecode.com/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=navigation%20bar&list_id=105904
> > listen, i get it. i need to re-learn lcb and actually use it.
> > but i also have force powers, so i know that someone is going to do these
> > things, before i do, and then i won't have to.
> >
> >> On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 2:39 PM Ralph DiMola via use-livecode <
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Mike,
> >> I have used my own version of the navbar widget for years. I added an
> >> option to enlarge/vertically justify the icon if there is no label and
> >> eliminated the "new item" thingy. I think the stock widget already lets
> you
> >> select the zero option. I added that back before the stock widget let
> you
> >> do it. What changes/enhancements are you looking for?
> >>
> >> I also have LCS routines to store the navbar options as a custom
> property
> >> array. I have handlers to add/delete/change option text and icons via
> >> script for a contextual UI. They are not documented or polished but if
> >> there is any interest I will look into it.
> >>
> >> Ralph DiMola
> >> IT Director
> >> Evergreen Information Services
> >> rdimola at evergreeninfo.net
> >>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
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-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."

From brian at milby7.com  Fri Aug 26 09:22:48 2022
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2022 09:22:48 -0400
Subject: Svg Icon Tool
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycNhxinwYffTcGF0qWrJQdCf8BmnZv75CU0sH62kd0O_3g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycNhxinwYffTcGF0qWrJQdCf8BmnZv75CU0sH62kd0O_3g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FD72354E-08C8-4B35-BCA5-DEF5958546A4@milby7.com>

The silent update would allow that to happen in the hilitechanged handler.

I don’t know how you would implement a pre… message.  How would the widget know whether to proceed or not?  The two messages would fire almost simultaneously.  There also isn’t any way to tell the widget to cancel the highlight action, which would be needed.

A mouseDown message may work but would still need a way to cancel the highlight.  I think the silent change is the most seamless way to accomplish this task.

In general I think that normal mouse messages should be passed from widgets - even if they add specialized functionality with additional messages.  I don’t think they would solve this issue on their own though.

(I also did some work in this widget to add the nothing and multiple selections)



> On Aug 26, 2022, at 9:03 AM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> i don't think so. i want to be able to be able to intercept the
> touch/click, and decide what to do. sometimes i want to ignore it.
> sometimes i want to throw up an error and not switch. sometimes i want to
> do something else, first.
> 
>> On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 5:48 PM Brian Milby via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I think what we probably need is simply:
>> 
>> set the hilitedItemSilently of widget 1 to 1
>> Or
>> set the hilitedItemWithoutMessage of widget 1 to 1
>> 
>> This would allow more elegant solutions to many of the raised issues.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Brian
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Aug 25, 2022, at 2:48 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> the two things that are glaring, imho are
>>> * [preHiliteChanged](https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23207)
>> -
>>> someone taps on a selection. i do a check, throw up a "nope", and nothing
>>> changes. this one is preventing me from moving off of the tmControls
>> navbar.
>>> * autowidth to the card width.
>>> but there are several others, as well
>>> 
>> https://quality.livecode.com/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=navigation%20bar&list_id=105904
>>> listen, i get it. i need to re-learn lcb and actually use it.
>>> but i also have force powers, so i know that someone is going to do these
>>> things, before i do, and then i won't have to.
>>> 
>>>> On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 2:39 PM Ralph DiMola via use-livecode <
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Mike,
>>>> I have used my own version of the navbar widget for years. I added an
>>>> option to enlarge/vertically justify the icon if there is no label and
>>>> eliminated the "new item" thingy. I think the stock widget already lets
>> you
>>>> select the zero option. I added that back before the stock widget let
>> you
>>>> do it. What changes/enhancements are you looking for?
>>>> 
>>>> I also have LCS routines to store the navbar options as a custom
>> property
>>>> array. I have handlers to add/delete/change option text and icons via
>>>> script for a contextual UI. They are not documented or polished but if
>>>> there is any interest I will look into it.
>>>> 
>>>> Ralph DiMola
>>>> IT Director
>>>> Evergreen Information Services
>>>> rdimola at evergreeninfo.net
>>>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>   and did a little diving.
> And God said, "This is good."
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Fri Aug 26 09:27:14 2022
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2022 09:27:14 -0400
Subject: Svg Icon Tool
In-Reply-To: <FD72354E-08C8-4B35-BCA5-DEF5958546A4@milby7.com>
References: <CADCoycNhxinwYffTcGF0qWrJQdCf8BmnZv75CU0sH62kd0O_3g@mail.gmail.com>
 <FD72354E-08C8-4B35-BCA5-DEF5958546A4@milby7.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycN-Jf6nHhy6_RMxGFmd2NE6VrzvstGAfQyOqAUx00HQWw@mail.gmail.com>

you would have a property for autohilite, and if that is false, the
developer would be responsible for setting the hilite. that's the way it's
implemented with other controls.

On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 9:23 AM Brian Milby via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> The silent update would allow that to happen in the hilitechanged handler.
>
> I don’t know how you would implement a pre… message.  How would the widget
> know whether to proceed or not?  The two messages would fire almost
> simultaneously.  There also isn’t any way to tell the widget to cancel the
> highlight action, which would be needed.
>
> A mouseDown message may work but would still need a way to cancel the
> highlight.  I think the silent change is the most seamless way to
> accomplish this task.
>
> In general I think that normal mouse messages should be passed from
> widgets - even if they add specialized functionality with additional
> messages.  I don’t think they would solve this issue on their own though.
>
> (I also did some work in this widget to add the nothing and multiple
> selections)
>
>
>
> > On Aug 26, 2022, at 9:03 AM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > i don't think so. i want to be able to be able to intercept the
> > touch/click, and decide what to do. sometimes i want to ignore it.
> > sometimes i want to throw up an error and not switch. sometimes i want to
> > do something else, first.
> >
> >> On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 5:48 PM Brian Milby via use-livecode <
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> I think what we probably need is simply:
> >>
> >> set the hilitedItemSilently of widget 1 to 1
> >> Or
> >> set the hilitedItemWithoutMessage of widget 1 to 1
> >>
> >> This would allow more elegant solutions to many of the raised issues.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Brian
> >>
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Aug 25, 2022, at 2:48 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> the two things that are glaring, imho are
> >>> * [preHiliteChanged](
> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23207)
> >> -
> >>> someone taps on a selection. i do a check, throw up a "nope", and
> nothing
> >>> changes. this one is preventing me from moving off of the tmControls
> >> navbar.
> >>> * autowidth to the card width.
> >>> but there are several others, as well
> >>>
> >>
> https://quality.livecode.com/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=navigation%20bar&list_id=105904
> >>> listen, i get it. i need to re-learn lcb and actually use it.
> >>> but i also have force powers, so i know that someone is going to do
> these
> >>> things, before i do, and then i won't have to.
> >>>
> >>>> On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 2:39 PM Ralph DiMola via use-livecode <
> >>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Mike,
> >>>> I have used my own version of the navbar widget for years. I added an
> >>>> option to enlarge/vertically justify the icon if there is no label and
> >>>> eliminated the "new item" thingy. I think the stock widget already
> lets
> >> you
> >>>> select the zero option. I added that back before the stock widget let
> >> you
> >>>> do it. What changes/enhancements are you looking for?
> >>>>
> >>>> I also have LCS routines to store the navbar options as a custom
> >> property
> >>>> array. I have handlers to add/delete/change option text and icons via
> >>>> script for a contextual UI. They are not documented or polished but if
> >>>> there is any interest I will look into it.
> >>>>
> >>>> Ralph DiMola
> >>>> IT Director
> >>>> Evergreen Information Services
> >>>> rdimola at evergreeninfo.net
> >>>>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> use-livecode mailing list
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> >> subscription preferences:
> >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> > On the second day, God created the oceans.
> > On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
> >   and did a little diving.
> > And God said, "This is good."
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
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On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."

From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net  Fri Aug 26 09:41:46 2022
From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2022 09:41:46 -0400
Subject: Svg Icon Tool
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycN-Jf6nHhy6_RMxGFmd2NE6VrzvstGAfQyOqAUx00HQWw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycNhxinwYffTcGF0qWrJQdCf8BmnZv75CU0sH62kd0O_3g@mail.gmail.com>
 <FD72354E-08C8-4B35-BCA5-DEF5958546A4@milby7.com>
 <CADCoycN-Jf6nHhy6_RMxGFmd2NE6VrzvstGAfQyOqAUx00HQWw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002a01d8b951$98eedc70$cacc9550$@net>

Do widgets even have the capability to send a message and have it return back to the widget if it is "Pass"ed in the spirit of "Pre" messages?

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdimola at evergreeninfo.net

-----Original Message-----
From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Mike Kerner via use-livecode
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2022 9:27 AM
To: How to use LiveCode
Cc: Mike Kerner
Subject: Re: Svg Icon Tool

you would have a property for autohilite, and if that is false, the developer would be responsible for setting the hilite. that's the way it's implemented with other controls.

On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 9:23 AM Brian Milby via use-livecode < use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> The silent update would allow that to happen in the hilitechanged handler.
>
> I don’t know how you would implement a pre… message.  How would the 
> widget know whether to proceed or not?  The two messages would fire 
> almost simultaneously.  There also isn’t any way to tell the widget to 
> cancel the highlight action, which would be needed.
>
> A mouseDown message may work but would still need a way to cancel the 
> highlight.  I think the silent change is the most seamless way to 
> accomplish this task.
>
> In general I think that normal mouse messages should be passed from 
> widgets - even if they add specialized functionality with additional 
> messages.  I don’t think they would solve this issue on their own though.
>
> (I also did some work in this widget to add the nothing and multiple
> selections)
>
>
>
> > On Aug 26, 2022, at 9:03 AM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > i don't think so. i want to be able to be able to intercept the 
> > touch/click, and decide what to do. sometimes i want to ignore it.
> > sometimes i want to throw up an error and not switch. sometimes i 
> > want to do something else, first.
> >
> >> On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 5:48 PM Brian Milby via use-livecode < 
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> I think what we probably need is simply:
> >>
> >> set the hilitedItemSilently of widget 1 to 1 Or set the 
> >> hilitedItemWithoutMessage of widget 1 to 1
> >>
> >> This would allow more elegant solutions to many of the raised issues.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Brian
> >>
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Aug 25, 2022, at 2:48 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> the two things that are glaring, imho are
> >>> * [preHiliteChanged](
> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23207)
> >> -
> >>> someone taps on a selection. i do a check, throw up a "nope", and
> nothing
> >>> changes. this one is preventing me from moving off of the 
> >>> tmControls
> >> navbar.
> >>> * autowidth to the card width.
> >>> but there are several others, as well
> >>>
> >>
> https://quality.livecode.com/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=navigation%20bar&
> list_id=105904
> >>> listen, i get it. i need to re-learn lcb and actually use it.
> >>> but i also have force powers, so i know that someone is going to 
> >>> do
> these
> >>> things, before i do, and then i won't have to.
> >>>
> >>>> On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 2:39 PM Ralph DiMola via use-livecode < 
> >>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Mike,
> >>>> I have used my own version of the navbar widget for years. I 
> >>>> added an option to enlarge/vertically justify the icon if there 
> >>>> is no label and eliminated the "new item" thingy. I think the 
> >>>> stock widget already
> lets
> >> you
> >>>> select the zero option. I added that back before the stock widget 
> >>>> let
> >> you
> >>>> do it. What changes/enhancements are you looking for?
> >>>>
> >>>> I also have LCS routines to store the navbar options as a custom
> >> property
> >>>> array. I have handlers to add/delete/change option text and icons 
> >>>> via script for a contextual UI. They are not documented or 
> >>>> polished but if there is any interest I will look into it.
> >>>>
> >>>> Ralph DiMola
> >>>> IT Director
> >>>> Evergreen Information Services
> >>>> rdimola at evergreeninfo.net
> >>>>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> use-livecode mailing list
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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> >
> >
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> > second day, God created the oceans.
> > On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
> >   and did a little diving.
> > And God said, "This is good."
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From brian at milby7.com  Fri Aug 26 10:13:14 2022
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2022 10:13:14 -0400
Subject: Svg Icon Tool
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Ok, then we need a full spec on how this would work.  It is not just the addition of a message.

To get what you are desiring, it would be most consistent to just add the mouse messages and the autoHilite property.

I would still want the silent option since that works most in the grain of the current functionality.

In your use case, you wouldn’t even use the hiliteChanged message.  You would just act based on the mouseUp after your checks.

From a UI perspective, I think it makes more sense for the object to highlight on the touch and then revert on the mouseUp if not permitted.

> On Aug 26, 2022, at 9:28 AM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> you would have a property for autohilite, and if that is false, the
> developer would be responsible for setting the hilite. that's the way it's
> implemented with other controls.
> 
>> On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 9:23 AM Brian Milby via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> The silent update would allow that to happen in the hilitechanged handler.
>> 
>> I don’t know how you would implement a pre… message.  How would the widget
>> know whether to proceed or not?  The two messages would fire almost
>> simultaneously.  There also isn’t any way to tell the widget to cancel the
>> highlight action, which would be needed.
>> 
>> A mouseDown message may work but would still need a way to cancel the
>> highlight.  I think the silent change is the most seamless way to
>> accomplish this task.
>> 
>> In general I think that normal mouse messages should be passed from
>> widgets - even if they add specialized functionality with additional
>> messages.  I don’t think they would solve this issue on their own though.
>> 
>> (I also did some work in this widget to add the nothing and multiple
>> selections)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 26, 2022, at 9:03 AM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> i don't think so. i want to be able to be able to intercept the
>>> touch/click, and decide what to do. sometimes i want to ignore it.
>>> sometimes i want to throw up an error and not switch. sometimes i want to
>>> do something else, first.
>>> 
>>>> On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 5:48 PM Brian Milby via use-livecode <
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I think what we probably need is simply:
>>>> 
>>>> set the hilitedItemSilently of widget 1 to 1
>>>> Or
>>>> set the hilitedItemWithoutMessage of widget 1 to 1
>>>> 
>>>> This would allow more elegant solutions to many of the raised issues.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Brian
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Aug 25, 2022, at 2:48 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> the two things that are glaring, imho are
>>>>> * [preHiliteChanged](
>> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23207)
>>>> -
>>>>> someone taps on a selection. i do a check, throw up a "nope", and
>> nothing
>>>>> changes. this one is preventing me from moving off of the tmControls
>>>> navbar.
>>>>> * autowidth to the card width.
>>>>> but there are several others, as well
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>> https://quality.livecode.com/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=navigation%20bar&list_id=105904
>>>>> listen, i get it. i need to re-learn lcb and actually use it.
>>>>> but i also have force powers, so i know that someone is going to do
>> these
>>>>> things, before i do, and then i won't have to.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 2:39 PM Ralph DiMola via use-livecode <
>>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Mike,
>>>>>> I have used my own version of the navbar widget for years. I added an
>>>>>> option to enlarge/vertically justify the icon if there is no label and
>>>>>> eliminated the "new item" thingy. I think the stock widget already
>> lets
>>>> you
>>>>>> select the zero option. I added that back before the stock widget let
>>>> you
>>>>>> do it. What changes/enhancements are you looking for?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I also have LCS routines to store the navbar options as a custom
>>>> property
>>>>>> array. I have handlers to add/delete/change option text and icons via
>>>>>> script for a contextual UI. They are not documented or polished but if
>>>>>> there is any interest I will look into it.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Ralph DiMola
>>>>>> IT Director
>>>>>> Evergreen Information Services
>>>>>> rdimola at evergreeninfo.net
>>>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>>> subscription preferences:
>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
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>>> On the second day, God created the oceans.
>>> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>>>  and did a little diving.
>>> And God said, "This is good."
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
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> 
> 
> -- 
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> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>   and did a little diving.
> And God said, "This is good."
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From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Fri Aug 26 10:28:45 2022
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2022 10:28:45 -0400
Subject: Svg Icon Tool
In-Reply-To: <D91960E1-508B-41CB-B716-CD63A23098C0@milby7.com>
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correct, the hiliteChanged message is superfluous in this scenario, and the
developer would just manage the touch/mouse messages
i disagree that flipping the hilite to one and then back is better. the
hilite is an indicator of state. if the state is not allowed to change,
then the hilite should not change.
in the current operation, the user hits a selection. the hilite changes. at
this point, there aren't any good options. if we switch cards, then do the
test, tell the user that the selection is not allowed, then switch back,
they get this jerky transition, and we have to restore the previous state.
if we do not make the transition, then they get the hilite changing, then
they get rejected, and then we have to switch the hilite back to what it
was, before.

On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 10:14 AM Brian Milby via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Ok, then we need a full spec on how this would work.  It is not just the
> addition of a message.
>
> To get what you are desiring, it would be most consistent to just add the
> mouse messages and the autoHilite property.
>
> I would still want the silent option since that works most in the grain of
> the current functionality.
>
> In your use case, you wouldn’t even use the hiliteChanged message.  You
> would just act based on the mouseUp after your checks.
>
> From a UI perspective, I think it makes more sense for the object to
> highlight on the touch and then revert on the mouseUp if not permitted.
>
> > On Aug 26, 2022, at 9:28 AM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > you would have a property for autohilite, and if that is false, the
> > developer would be responsible for setting the hilite. that's the way
> it's
> > implemented with other controls.
> >
> >> On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 9:23 AM Brian Milby via use-livecode <
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> The silent update would allow that to happen in the hilitechanged
> handler.
> >>
> >> I don’t know how you would implement a pre… message.  How would the
> widget
> >> know whether to proceed or not?  The two messages would fire almost
> >> simultaneously.  There also isn’t any way to tell the widget to cancel
> the
> >> highlight action, which would be needed.
> >>
> >> A mouseDown message may work but would still need a way to cancel the
> >> highlight.  I think the silent change is the most seamless way to
> >> accomplish this task.
> >>
> >> In general I think that normal mouse messages should be passed from
> >> widgets - even if they add specialized functionality with additional
> >> messages.  I don’t think they would solve this issue on their own
> though.
> >>
> >> (I also did some work in this widget to add the nothing and multiple
> >> selections)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Aug 26, 2022, at 9:03 AM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> i don't think so. i want to be able to be able to intercept the
> >>> touch/click, and decide what to do. sometimes i want to ignore it.
> >>> sometimes i want to throw up an error and not switch. sometimes i want
> to
> >>> do something else, first.
> >>>
> >>>> On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 5:48 PM Brian Milby via use-livecode <
> >>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I think what we probably need is simply:
> >>>>
> >>>> set the hilitedItemSilently of widget 1 to 1
> >>>> Or
> >>>> set the hilitedItemWithoutMessage of widget 1 to 1
> >>>>
> >>>> This would allow more elegant solutions to many of the raised issues.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks,
> >>>> Brian
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Aug 25, 2022, at 2:48 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> >>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> the two things that are glaring, imho are
> >>>>> * [preHiliteChanged](
> >> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23207)
> >>>> -
> >>>>> someone taps on a selection. i do a check, throw up a "nope", and
> >> nothing
> >>>>> changes. this one is preventing me from moving off of the tmControls
> >>>> navbar.
> >>>>> * autowidth to the card width.
> >>>>> but there are several others, as well
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> https://quality.livecode.com/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=navigation%20bar&list_id=105904
> >>>>> listen, i get it. i need to re-learn lcb and actually use it.
> >>>>> but i also have force powers, so i know that someone is going to do
> >> these
> >>>>> things, before i do, and then i won't have to.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 2:39 PM Ralph DiMola via use-livecode <
> >>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Mike,
> >>>>>> I have used my own version of the navbar widget for years. I added
> an
> >>>>>> option to enlarge/vertically justify the icon if there is no label
> and
> >>>>>> eliminated the "new item" thingy. I think the stock widget already
> >> lets
> >>>> you
> >>>>>> select the zero option. I added that back before the stock widget
> let
> >>>> you
> >>>>>> do it. What changes/enhancements are you looking for?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I also have LCS routines to store the navbar options as a custom
> >>>> property
> >>>>>> array. I have handlers to add/delete/change option text and icons
> via
> >>>>>> script for a contextual UI. They are not documented or polished but
> if
> >>>>>> there is any interest I will look into it.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Ralph DiMola
> >>>>>> IT Director
> >>>>>> Evergreen Information Services
> >>>>>> rdimola at evergreeninfo.net
> >>>>>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> use-livecode mailing list
> >>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> >>>> subscription preferences:
> >>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> >>> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> >>> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
> >>>  and did a little diving.
> >>> And God said, "This is good."
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> use-livecode mailing list
> >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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> > On the second day, God created the oceans.
> > On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
> >   and did a little diving.
> > And God said, "This is good."
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On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."

From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Fri Aug 26 10:34:24 2022
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2022 10:34:24 -0400
Subject: Svg Icon Tool
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i could see, for someone who wants it to behave the way it behaves now,
that retaining the current behavior and adding to it would be better.
the control can work both ways, a manual mode and an automagical mode.

On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 10:28 AM Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com>
wrote:

> correct, the hiliteChanged message is superfluous in this scenario, and
> the developer would just manage the touch/mouse messages
> i disagree that flipping the hilite to one and then back is better. the
> hilite is an indicator of state. if the state is not allowed to change,
> then the hilite should not change.
> in the current operation, the user hits a selection. the hilite changes.
> at this point, there aren't any good options. if we switch cards, then do
> the test, tell the user that the selection is not allowed, then switch
> back, they get this jerky transition, and we have to restore the previous
> state. if we do not make the transition, then they get the hilite changing,
> then they get rejected, and then we have to switch the hilite back to what
> it was, before.
>
> On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 10:14 AM Brian Milby via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> Ok, then we need a full spec on how this would work.  It is not just the
>> addition of a message.
>>
>> To get what you are desiring, it would be most consistent to just add the
>> mouse messages and the autoHilite property.
>>
>> I would still want the silent option since that works most in the grain
>> of the current functionality.
>>
>> In your use case, you wouldn’t even use the hiliteChanged message.  You
>> would just act based on the mouseUp after your checks.
>>
>> From a UI perspective, I think it makes more sense for the object to
>> highlight on the touch and then revert on the mouseUp if not permitted.
>>
>> > On Aug 26, 2022, at 9:28 AM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > you would have a property for autohilite, and if that is false, the
>> > developer would be responsible for setting the hilite. that's the way
>> it's
>> > implemented with other controls.
>> >
>> >> On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 9:23 AM Brian Milby via use-livecode <
>> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> The silent update would allow that to happen in the hilitechanged
>> handler.
>> >>
>> >> I don’t know how you would implement a pre… message.  How would the
>> widget
>> >> know whether to proceed or not?  The two messages would fire almost
>> >> simultaneously.  There also isn’t any way to tell the widget to cancel
>> the
>> >> highlight action, which would be needed.
>> >>
>> >> A mouseDown message may work but would still need a way to cancel the
>> >> highlight.  I think the silent change is the most seamless way to
>> >> accomplish this task.
>> >>
>> >> In general I think that normal mouse messages should be passed from
>> >> widgets - even if they add specialized functionality with additional
>> >> messages.  I don’t think they would solve this issue on their own
>> though.
>> >>
>> >> (I also did some work in this widget to add the nothing and multiple
>> >> selections)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> On Aug 26, 2022, at 9:03 AM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
>> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> i don't think so. i want to be able to be able to intercept the
>> >>> touch/click, and decide what to do. sometimes i want to ignore it.
>> >>> sometimes i want to throw up an error and not switch. sometimes i
>> want to
>> >>> do something else, first.
>> >>>
>> >>>> On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 5:48 PM Brian Milby via use-livecode <
>> >>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I think what we probably need is simply:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> set the hilitedItemSilently of widget 1 to 1
>> >>>> Or
>> >>>> set the hilitedItemWithoutMessage of widget 1 to 1
>> >>>>
>> >>>> This would allow more elegant solutions to many of the raised issues.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Thanks,
>> >>>> Brian
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> On Aug 25, 2022, at 2:48 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
>> >>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> the two things that are glaring, imho are
>> >>>>> * [preHiliteChanged](
>> >> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23207)
>> >>>> -
>> >>>>> someone taps on a selection. i do a check, throw up a "nope", and
>> >> nothing
>> >>>>> changes. this one is preventing me from moving off of the tmControls
>> >>>> navbar.
>> >>>>> * autowidth to the card width.
>> >>>>> but there are several others, as well
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>
>> https://quality.livecode.com/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=navigation%20bar&list_id=105904
>> >>>>> listen, i get it. i need to re-learn lcb and actually use it.
>> >>>>> but i also have force powers, so i know that someone is going to do
>> >> these
>> >>>>> things, before i do, and then i won't have to.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 2:39 PM Ralph DiMola via use-livecode <
>> >>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Mike,
>> >>>>>> I have used my own version of the navbar widget for years. I added
>> an
>> >>>>>> option to enlarge/vertically justify the icon if there is no label
>> and
>> >>>>>> eliminated the "new item" thingy. I think the stock widget already
>> >> lets
>> >>>> you
>> >>>>>> select the zero option. I added that back before the stock widget
>> let
>> >>>> you
>> >>>>>> do it. What changes/enhancements are you looking for?
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> I also have LCS routines to store the navbar options as a custom
>> >>>> property
>> >>>>>> array. I have handlers to add/delete/change option text and icons
>> via
>> >>>>>> script for a contextual UI. They are not documented or polished
>> but if
>> >>>>>> there is any interest I will look into it.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Ralph DiMola
>> >>>>>> IT Director
>> >>>>>> Evergreen Information Services
>> >>>>>> rdimola at evergreeninfo.net
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>> _______________________________________________
>> >>>> use-livecode mailing list
>> >>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>    and did a little diving.
> And God said, "This is good."
>


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On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."

From brian at milby7.com  Fri Aug 26 10:58:14 2022
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2022 10:58:14 -0400
Subject: Svg Icon Tool
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycNxC9B0bKc5x9Pxho6r92XPF1nKFACi9A572VyPFw5Gmg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycNxC9B0bKc5x9Pxho6r92XPF1nKFACi9A572VyPFw5Gmg@mail.gmail.com>
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Speaking from a phone UI context, I would think that when you touch an object that it would highlight to register the touch.  If you drag off the object, then the touch is cancelled.  When you release, then the validity is tested.  If the touch is valid, then the object would retain the highlight (or if you had different colors for touch/selected it would change) and the follow on actions would take place.  If not valid, the highlight would be reverted to previous state without any change in the current card.

All of this can be scripted currently but you have to add your own tests to the hiliteChanged message and guard against causing a loop.

I’ll set up a repo for this widget so it can be worked based on the GPL code.

> On Aug 26, 2022, at 10:30 AM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> correct, the hiliteChanged message is superfluous in this scenario, and the
> developer would just manage the touch/mouse messages
> i disagree that flipping the hilite to one and then back is better. the
> hilite is an indicator of state. if the state is not allowed to change,
> then the hilite should not change.
> in the current operation, the user hits a selection. the hilite changes. at
> this point, there aren't any good options. if we switch cards, then do the
> test, tell the user that the selection is not allowed, then switch back,
> they get this jerky transition, and we have to restore the previous state.
> if we do not make the transition, then they get the hilite changing, then
> they get rejected, and then we have to switch the hilite back to what it
> was, before.
> 
>> On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 10:14 AM Brian Milby via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Ok, then we need a full spec on how this would work.  It is not just the
>> addition of a message.
>> 
>> To get what you are desiring, it would be most consistent to just add the
>> mouse messages and the autoHilite property.
>> 
>> I would still want the silent option since that works most in the grain of
>> the current functionality.
>> 
>> In your use case, you wouldn’t even use the hiliteChanged message.  You
>> would just act based on the mouseUp after your checks.
>> 
>> From a UI perspective, I think it makes more sense for the object to
>> highlight on the touch and then revert on the mouseUp if not permitted.
>> 
>>> On Aug 26, 2022, at 9:28 AM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> you would have a property for autohilite, and if that is false, the
>>> developer would be responsible for setting the hilite. that's the way
>> it's
>>> implemented with other controls.
>>> 
>>>> On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 9:23 AM Brian Milby via use-livecode <
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> The silent update would allow that to happen in the hilitechanged
>> handler.
>>>> 
>>>> I don’t know how you would implement a pre… message.  How would the
>> widget
>>>> know whether to proceed or not?  The two messages would fire almost
>>>> simultaneously.  There also isn’t any way to tell the widget to cancel
>> the
>>>> highlight action, which would be needed.
>>>> 
>>>> A mouseDown message may work but would still need a way to cancel the
>>>> highlight.  I think the silent change is the most seamless way to
>>>> accomplish this task.
>>>> 
>>>> In general I think that normal mouse messages should be passed from
>>>> widgets - even if they add specialized functionality with additional
>>>> messages.  I don’t think they would solve this issue on their own
>> though.
>>>> 
>>>> (I also did some work in this widget to add the nothing and multiple
>>>> selections)
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Aug 26, 2022, at 9:03 AM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> i don't think so. i want to be able to be able to intercept the
>>>>> touch/click, and decide what to do. sometimes i want to ignore it.
>>>>> sometimes i want to throw up an error and not switch. sometimes i want
>> to
>>>>> do something else, first.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 5:48 PM Brian Milby via use-livecode <
>>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I think what we probably need is simply:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> set the hilitedItemSilently of widget 1 to 1
>>>>>> Or
>>>>>> set the hilitedItemWithoutMessage of widget 1 to 1
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> This would allow more elegant solutions to many of the raised issues.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Brian
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Aug 25, 2022, at 2:48 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
>>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> the two things that are glaring, imho are
>>>>>>> * [preHiliteChanged](
>>>> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23207)
>>>>>> -
>>>>>>> someone taps on a selection. i do a check, throw up a "nope", and
>>>> nothing
>>>>>>> changes. this one is preventing me from moving off of the tmControls
>>>>>> navbar.
>>>>>>> * autowidth to the card width.
>>>>>>> but there are several others, as well
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>> 
>> https://quality.livecode.com/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=navigation%20bar&list_id=105904
>>>>>>> listen, i get it. i need to re-learn lcb and actually use it.
>>>>>>> but i also have force powers, so i know that someone is going to do
>>>> these
>>>>>>> things, before i do, and then i won't have to.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 2:39 PM Ralph DiMola via use-livecode <
>>>>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Mike,
>>>>>>>> I have used my own version of the navbar widget for years. I added
>> an
>>>>>>>> option to enlarge/vertically justify the icon if there is no label
>> and
>>>>>>>> eliminated the "new item" thingy. I think the stock widget already
>>>> lets
>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>> select the zero option. I added that back before the stock widget
>> let
>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>> do it. What changes/enhancements are you looking for?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I also have LCS routines to store the navbar options as a custom
>>>>>> property
>>>>>>>> array. I have handlers to add/delete/change option text and icons
>> via
>>>>>>>> script for a contextual UI. They are not documented or polished but
>> if
>>>>>>>> there is any interest I will look into it.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Ralph DiMola
>>>>>>>> IT Director
>>>>>>>> Evergreen Information Services
>>>>>>>> rdimola at evergreeninfo.net
>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
>>>>> On the second day, God created the oceans.
>>>>> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>>>>> and did a little diving.
>>>>> And God said, "This is good."
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> 
>>> --
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>>> On the second day, God created the oceans.
>>> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>>>  and did a little diving.
>>> And God said, "This is good."
>>> _______________________________________________
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> 
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> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>   and did a little diving.
> And God said, "This is good."
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From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net  Fri Aug 26 11:54:27 2022
From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2022 11:54:27 -0400
Subject: Svg Icon Tool
In-Reply-To: <D91960E1-508B-41CB-B716-CD63A23098C0@milby7.com>
References: <CADCoycN-Jf6nHhy6_RMxGFmd2NE6VrzvstGAfQyOqAUx00HQWw@mail.gmail.com>
 <D91960E1-508B-41CB-B716-CD63A23098C0@milby7.com>
Message-ID: <003c01d8b964$22059910$6610cb30$@net>

What if the widget had a property to disable the auto hilite on click and when the hiliteChanged message arrives you can set(or not) the hilite as appropriate via setting a widget property? A pre-message would be cleaner but this is not horrible.

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdimola at evergreeninfo.net


-----Original Message-----
From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Brian Milby via use-livecode
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2022 10:13 AM
To: How to use LiveCode
Cc: Brian Milby
Subject: Re: Svg Icon Tool

Ok, then we need a full spec on how this would work.  It is not just the addition of a message.

To get what you are desiring, it would be most consistent to just add the mouse messages and the autoHilite property.

I would still want the silent option since that works most in the grain of the current functionality.

In your use case, you wouldn’t even use the hiliteChanged message.  You would just act based on the mouseUp after your checks.

>From a UI perspective, I think it makes more sense for the object to highlight on the touch and then revert on the mouseUp if not permitted.

> On Aug 26, 2022, at 9:28 AM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> you would have a property for autohilite, and if that is false, the 
> developer would be responsible for setting the hilite. that's the way 
> it's implemented with other controls.
> 
>> On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 9:23 AM Brian Milby via use-livecode < 
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> The silent update would allow that to happen in the hilitechanged handler.
>> 
>> I don’t know how you would implement a pre… message.  How would the 
>> widget know whether to proceed or not?  The two messages would fire 
>> almost simultaneously.  There also isn’t any way to tell the widget 
>> to cancel the highlight action, which would be needed.
>> 
>> A mouseDown message may work but would still need a way to cancel the 
>> highlight.  I think the silent change is the most seamless way to 
>> accomplish this task.
>> 
>> In general I think that normal mouse messages should be passed from 
>> widgets - even if they add specialized functionality with additional 
>> messages.  I don’t think they would solve this issue on their own though.
>> 
>> (I also did some work in this widget to add the nothing and multiple
>> selections)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 26, 2022, at 9:03 AM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> i don't think so. i want to be able to be able to intercept the 
>>> touch/click, and decide what to do. sometimes i want to ignore it.
>>> sometimes i want to throw up an error and not switch. sometimes i 
>>> want to do something else, first.
>>> 
>>>> On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 5:48 PM Brian Milby via use-livecode < 
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I think what we probably need is simply:
>>>> 
>>>> set the hilitedItemSilently of widget 1 to 1 Or set the 
>>>> hilitedItemWithoutMessage of widget 1 to 1
>>>> 
>>>> This would allow more elegant solutions to many of the raised issues.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Brian
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Aug 25, 2022, at 2:48 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> the two things that are glaring, imho are
>>>>> * [preHiliteChanged](
>> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23207)
>>>> -
>>>>> someone taps on a selection. i do a check, throw up a "nope", and
>> nothing
>>>>> changes. this one is preventing me from moving off of the 
>>>>> tmControls
>>>> navbar.
>>>>> * autowidth to the card width.
>>>>> but there are several others, as well
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>> https://quality.livecode.com/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=navigation%20bar
>> &list_id=105904
>>>>> listen, i get it. i need to re-learn lcb and actually use it.
>>>>> but i also have force powers, so i know that someone is going to 
>>>>> do
>> these
>>>>> things, before i do, and then i won't have to.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 2:39 PM Ralph DiMola via use-livecode < 
>>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Mike,
>>>>>> I have used my own version of the navbar widget for years. I 
>>>>>> added an option to enlarge/vertically justify the icon if there 
>>>>>> is no label and eliminated the "new item" thingy. I think the 
>>>>>> stock widget already
>> lets
>>>> you
>>>>>> select the zero option. I added that back before the stock widget 
>>>>>> let
>>>> you
>>>>>> do it. What changes/enhancements are you looking for?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I also have LCS routines to store the navbar options as a custom
>>>> property
>>>>>> array. I have handlers to add/delete/change option text and icons 
>>>>>> via script for a contextual UI. They are not documented or 
>>>>>> polished but if there is any interest I will look into it.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Ralph DiMola
>>>>>> IT Director
>>>>>> Evergreen Information Services
>>>>>> rdimola at evergreeninfo.net
>>>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
>>>> subscription preferences:
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the 
>>> second day, God created the oceans.
>>> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,  and 
>>> did a little diving.
>>> And God said, "This is good."
>>> _______________________________________________
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> 
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> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second 
> day, God created the oceans.
> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>   and did a little diving.
> And God said, "This is good."
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From brian at milby7.com  Fri Aug 26 13:13:00 2022
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2022 13:13:00 -0400
Subject: Svg Icon Tool
In-Reply-To: <003c01d8b964$22059910$6610cb30$@net>
References: <003c01d8b964$22059910$6610cb30$@net>
Message-ID: <90227B15-2B5C-48FB-B695-35C440F3DAA9@milby7.com>

I think that if auto highlight is disabled then hiliteChanged would never get triggered.  Having the back end highlight change without it visually changing would probably lead to confusion.


> On Aug 26, 2022, at 11:55 AM, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> What if the widget had a property to disable the auto hilite on click and when the hiliteChanged message arrives you can set(or not) the hilite as appropriate via setting a widget property? A pre-message would be cleaner but this is not horrible.
> 
> Ralph DiMola
> IT Director
> Evergreen Information Services
> rdimola at evergreeninfo.net


From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net  Fri Aug 26 15:25:15 2022
From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2022 15:25:15 -0400
Subject: Svg Icon Tool
In-Reply-To: <90227B15-2B5C-48FB-B695-35C440F3DAA9@milby7.com>
References: <003c01d8b964$22059910$6610cb30$@net>
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I looked at the code and an auto hilite property could be added and the hiliteing could be disabled. It would be confusing but it would be allow one to control the hilite. I'm going to try it for laughs.

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdimola at evergreeninfo.net


-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Friday, August 26, 2022 1:13 PM
To: How to use LiveCode
Cc: Brian Milby
Subject: Re: Svg Icon Tool

I think that if auto highlight is disabled then hiliteChanged would never get triggered.  Having the back end highlight change without it visually changing would probably lead to confusion.


> On Aug 26, 2022, at 11:55 AM, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> What if the widget had a property to disable the auto hilite on click and when the hiliteChanged message arrives you can set(or not) the hilite as appropriate via setting a widget property? A pre-message would be cleaner but this is not horrible.
> 
> Ralph DiMola
> IT Director
> Evergreen Information Services
> rdimola at evergreeninfo.net

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From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Fri Aug 26 16:08:08 2022
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2022 16:08:08 -0400
Subject: Svg Icon Tool
In-Reply-To: <006101d8b981$94e1dee0$bea59ca0$@net>
References: <003c01d8b964$22059910$6610cb30$@net>
 <90227B15-2B5C-48FB-B695-35C440F3DAA9@milby7.com>
 <006101d8b981$94e1dee0$bea59ca0$@net>
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i decided, yesterday, to go through the lcb lessons, again, because of this
issue (and wanting to deal with a couple of things in the iconPicker).
hopefully it'll be done and released before i finish the course, because
Stephen said that he's going to have a new version of powerButton out in
the morning, which will hopefully cause me to forget about this while i
play with that.

On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 3:26 PM Ralph DiMola via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I looked at the code and an auto hilite property could be added and the
> hiliteing could be disabled. It would be confusing but it would be allow
> one to control the hilite. I'm going to try it for laughs.
>
> Ralph DiMola
> IT Director
> Evergreen Information Services
> rdimola at evergreeninfo.net
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On
> Behalf Of Brian Milby via use-livecode
> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2022 1:13 PM
> To: How to use LiveCode
> Cc: Brian Milby
> Subject: Re: Svg Icon Tool
>
> I think that if auto highlight is disabled then hiliteChanged would never
> get triggered.  Having the back end highlight change without it visually
> changing would probably lead to confusion.
>
>
> > On Aug 26, 2022, at 11:55 AM, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > What if the widget had a property to disable the auto hilite on click
> and when the hiliteChanged message arrives you can set(or not) the hilite
> as appropriate via setting a widget property? A pre-message would be
> cleaner but this is not horrible.
> >
> > Ralph DiMola
> > IT Director
> > Evergreen Information Services
> > rdimola at evergreeninfo.net
>
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On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."

From Bernd.Niggemann at uni-wh.de  Fri Aug 26 16:25:08 2022
From: Bernd.Niggemann at uni-wh.de (Niggemann, Bernd)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2022 20:25:08 +0000
Subject: BN Guides
Message-ID: <19A751CC-F617-4659-A6D8-C79FA0DE3CE0@uni-wh.de>

Hi Bob,

There is an alternative for guide right now

https://livecodeshare.runrev.com/stack/1002/DevGuides-Plugin-Installer

and 10.0.0 DP4 has guides built-in. They look and work really well.

I will not develop bnGuides further since starting LC 10 they will be part of the IDE.
I liked the idea to push the concept of behaviors for guides. But maybe a bit too far.

Nevertheless the version of bnGuides Matthias linked to  in the Forum is one version step ahead of the one in Livecodeshare/Sample Stacks.

Kind regards
Bernd

From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Fri Aug 26 16:50:59 2022
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2022 16:50:59 -0400
Subject: Svg Icon Tool
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycOUb1P-16JvksJM2j=91VNw4-V3_trD1otzS1F_c0tc5g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <003c01d8b964$22059910$6610cb30$@net>
 <90227B15-2B5C-48FB-B695-35C440F3DAA9@milby7.com>
 <006101d8b981$94e1dee0$bea59ca0$@net>
 <CADCoycOUb1P-16JvksJM2j=91VNw4-V3_trD1otzS1F_c0tc5g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycMoprOFoNUNEmgr2daUN23MJ-tXxDfsxHZ1zH_OwdNn7A@mail.gmail.com>

sorry - STEVEN

On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 4:08 PM Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com>
wrote:

> i decided, yesterday, to go through the lcb lessons, again, because of
> this issue (and wanting to deal with a couple of things in the iconPicker).
> hopefully it'll be done and released before i finish the course, because
> Stephen said that he's going to have a new version of powerButton out in
> the morning, which will hopefully cause me to forget about this while i
> play with that.
>
> On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 3:26 PM Ralph DiMola via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> I looked at the code and an auto hilite property could be added and the
>> hiliteing could be disabled. It would be confusing but it would be allow
>> one to control the hilite. I'm going to try it for laughs.
>>
>> Ralph DiMola
>> IT Director
>> Evergreen Information Services
>> rdimola at evergreeninfo.net
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On
>> Behalf Of Brian Milby via use-livecode
>> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2022 1:13 PM
>> To: How to use LiveCode
>> Cc: Brian Milby
>> Subject: Re: Svg Icon Tool
>>
>> I think that if auto highlight is disabled then hiliteChanged would never
>> get triggered.  Having the back end highlight change without it visually
>> changing would probably lead to confusion.
>>
>>
>> > On Aug 26, 2022, at 11:55 AM, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > What if the widget had a property to disable the auto hilite on click
>> and when the hiliteChanged message arrives you can set(or not) the hilite
>> as appropriate via setting a widget property? A pre-message would be
>> cleaner but this is not horrible.
>> >
>> > Ralph DiMola
>> > IT Director
>> > Evergreen Information Services
>> > rdimola at evergreeninfo.net
>>
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>
>
> --
> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>    and did a little diving.
> And God said, "This is good."
>


-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."

From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Aug 26 17:00:20 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2022 21:00:20 +0000
Subject: BN Guides
In-Reply-To: <19A751CC-F617-4659-A6D8-C79FA0DE3CE0@uni-wh.de>
References: <19A751CC-F617-4659-A6D8-C79FA0DE3CE0@uni-wh.de>
Message-ID: <F6B59A86-BA49-4939-A138-EB7223B03989@iotecdigital.com>

Works great. Thanks.

Bob S


On Aug 26, 2022, at 13:25 , Niggemann, Bernd via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com<mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:

Hi Bob,

There is an alternative for guide right now

https://livecodeshare.runrev.com/stack/1002/DevGuides-Plugin-Installer

and 10.0.0 DP4 has guides built-in. They look and work really well.

I will not develop bnGuides further since starting LC 10 they will be part of the IDE.
I liked the idea to push the concept of behaviors for guides. But maybe a bit too far.

Nevertheless the version of bnGuides Matthias linked to  in the Forum is one version step ahead of the one in Livecodeshare/Sample Stacks.

Kind regards
Bernd


From bobcole at earthlink.net  Fri Aug 26 17:10:31 2022
From: bobcole at earthlink.net (Bob Cole)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2022 16:10:31 -0500
Subject: addIcon issue
In-Reply-To: <F546ECF5-EA9E-4D13-8067-34800E36C96B@mac.com>
References: <F546ECF5-EA9E-4D13-8067-34800E36C96B@mac.com>
Message-ID: <F51E339E-3EDD-4525-9C32-AAB06ABFAF41@earthlink.net>

I added the test icon to the custom icon library. Now I want to delete it.
In the Dictionary for Icon SVG Library, I see there is a way to delete an entire icon family:  deleteIconFamily(pFamily) 
Is there a way to remove just one icon from a family?
Bob

From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Sun Aug 28 11:10:12 2022
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2022 11:10:12 -0400
Subject: addIcon issue
In-Reply-To: <F51E339E-3EDD-4525-9C32-AAB06ABFAF41@earthlink.net>
References: <F546ECF5-EA9E-4D13-8067-34800E36C96B@mac.com>
 <F51E339E-3EDD-4525-9C32-AAB06ABFAF41@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <CADCoycMt7bawn_qAGyXe9WAMgQQLmxA07MiMo6KVL1vOC-J3Bw@mail.gmail.com>

* icon operations are temporary (as soon as you quit LC and relaunch it,
the icons and families you add go away)
* there is no deleteIcon code in the icon api
* the icon api is
in /Contents/Tools/Extensions/com.livecode.library.iconsvg/iconsvg.lcb


On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 5:11 PM Bob Cole via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I added the test icon to the custom icon library. Now I want to delete it.
> In the Dictionary for Icon SVG Library, I see there is a way to delete an
> entire icon family:  deleteIconFamily(pFamily)
> Is there a way to remove just one icon from a family?
> Bob
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-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."

From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Sun Aug 28 12:58:27 2022
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2022 12:58:27 -0400
Subject: lcb missing manual
Message-ID: <CADCoycPt-rJbQCfrAG_zcb7MjNVar2aOBOLUqo8jxFKbcv=sMw@mail.gmail.com>

things for lcb that are supposedly documented, but i can't find:
* editor types (e.g. com.livecode.pi.number)
* other metadata definitions for properties, widgets, etc.)

-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."

From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Aug 28 13:05:32 2022
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2022 18:05:32 +0100
Subject: lcb missing manual
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycPt-rJbQCfrAG_zcb7MjNVar2aOBOLUqo8jxFKbcv=sMw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycPt-rJbQCfrAG_zcb7MjNVar2aOBOLUqo8jxFKbcv=sMw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAL3fwtiqjF8JPgAf-z5wn+cjV6ix=Ge9P8wiDUn=85tYmYJS8A@mail.gmail.com>

It would be good were there full documentation for LCB, and, preferably
with some sort of thematic search so, unlike the LiveCode dictionary one
did not have to flounder around so much working out what to search for.

On Sun, 28 Aug 2022, 18:00 Mike Kerner via use-livecode, <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> things for lcb that are supposedly documented, but i can't find:
> * editor types (e.g. com.livecode.pi.number)
> * other metadata definitions for properties, widgets, etc.)
>
> --
> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>    and did a little diving.
> And God said, "This is good."
> _______________________________________________
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> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Sun Aug 28 13:17:54 2022
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2022 10:17:54 -0700
Subject: lcb missing manual
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycPt-rJbQCfrAG_zcb7MjNVar2aOBOLUqo8jxFKbcv=sMw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycPt-rJbQCfrAG_zcb7MjNVar2aOBOLUqo8jxFKbcv=sMw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a20713f0-59f5-2fca-d610-c4f5d8bcf312@sonic.net>

On 8/28/22 09:58, Mike Kerner via use-livecode wrote:
> things for lcb that are supposedly documented, but i can't find:
> * editor types (e.g. com.livecode.pi.number)
> * other metadata definitions for properties, widgets, etc.)

...things that we use in LCS but aren't available in LCB:
colornames
switch statements
etc.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com


From gcanyon at gmail.com  Sun Aug 28 13:35:19 2022
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2022 10:35:19 -0700
Subject: Livecode / Github
In-Reply-To: <9860AEA8-BA22-4047-986E-A904AAB6AD47@pidigital.co.uk>
References: <CADCoycP9zp6XZkjYWyLYXLPY4S_r0pkz0PXkCtHy6SSd17SrEQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <9860AEA8-BA22-4047-986E-A904AAB6AD47@pidigital.co.uk>
Message-ID: <CAKCLKtr55nmwbHFLFRX65hAVj_LOtRHyxwMLqhxw2X-VUBPR4Q@mail.gmail.com>

The same applies to the code in Navigator. I wrote it about five years ago
when I was preparing to transform Navigator itself to use script behaviors.

Always work on a copy.

That said, it worked fine for Navigator, and no one has ever told me it
broke anything.

gc

On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 10:06 PM Pi Digital via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I tried scriptifier and it broke stuff so just be careful with it and
> check its output.
>
> Sean
>
>
> > On 19 Aug 2022, at 01:39, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hey Skip, long time...
> > I don't know if you were around when script-only-stack behaviors came
> into
> > being, but you can now rip all of the code out of your stacks and happily
> > use vc/git. The stacks themselves are still binary (although several of
> us
> > have been messing with dumping that paradigm completely, it's less
> > practical than I would have hoped, as of today).
> > Navigator will export every script in a project into behavior stacks, and
> > Monte wrote a stack called "Scriptifier", if memory serves. It's embedded
> > in the LC bundle, and it does the same thing, namely extracting all the
> > scripts out of a project and putting them into .livecodescript text
> files.
> > Levure is great. I have used it with every project I've worked on for
> > several years, BUT you don't have to use it to go this route.
> >
> >> On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 7:04 PM Martin Koob via use-livecode <
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi SKIP
> >>
> >> Welcome back to the list!
> >>
> >> There is Levure which I knew of as a third party application framework
> >> created by Trevor DeVore but I just did a search for it and I see it
> now on
> >> the LiveCode website described as an App Collaboration Framework.
> >> https://livecode.com/products/livecode-platform/levure/ <
> >> https://livecode.com/products/livecode-platform/levure/>  So it must
> have
> >> at some point migrated to the mother ship.
> >>
> >> I haven’t used it but I have considered migrating my application to it.
> >> It works with version control systems as long as you follow its
> >> recommendations about how to organize your code into behaviours that are
> >> stored in script only stacks which are just text files that a version
> >> control system can read (These are somewhat new so depending on when you
> >> last used LiveCode they may be new to you.)  This was an enhancement
> that
> >> has enabled the use of version control for scripts in a project. It is
> the
> >> binary stacks that versions control systems can’t track so in Levure
> those
> >> are just used for user interface.
> >>
> >> Hope this helps.
> >>
> >> Martin
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Aug 18, 2022, at 6:38 PM, Skip Kimpel via use-livecode <
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Greetings!
> >>>
> >>> Been a while since I have been on this list.  Working on a new project
> >> and
> >>> wondering if the backing up of Livecode files to Github was ever
> >>> implemented and created.  I know there was talk of it at one time.
> >>>
> >>> I apologize if it has been in place for a while and I am just out of
> the
> >>> loop.  Actually, I HOPE that is the case!
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>>
> >>> SKIP
> >>> _______________________________________________
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> >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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> >
> >
> > --
> > On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> > On the second day, God created the oceans.
> > On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
> >   and did a little diving.
> > And God said, "This is good."
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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From gcanyon at gmail.com  Sun Aug 28 13:38:06 2022
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2022 10:38:06 -0700
Subject: BN Guides
In-Reply-To: <2B813B89-5BA5-4C48-8B36-35BBE9344B07@iotecdigital.com>
References: <2B813B89-5BA5-4C48-8B36-35BBE9344B07@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CAKCLKtp7xtjPORrV8vciYqf3OgZ_TTxww2Soe7my-Zk8Xi_HCA@mail.gmail.com>

Where are the BN guides? I'd be curious to see how this is happening. As I
recall, Navigator is designed to dive through whatever behaviors are set
regardless of how deep the rabbit hole goes to find the actual behavior,
but I haven't looked at that part of the code in years.

gc

On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 8:26 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Who wrote BN Guides? Very cool, but there is a conflict with Navigator.
> When I double-click an object in Navigator to open it's script, I get t he
> BNGuides script instead.
>
> Bob S
>
>
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From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Sun Aug 28 14:06:39 2022
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2022 14:06:39 -0400
Subject: lcb missing manual
In-Reply-To: <a20713f0-59f5-2fca-d610-c4f5d8bcf312@sonic.net>
References: <CADCoycPt-rJbQCfrAG_zcb7MjNVar2aOBOLUqo8jxFKbcv=sMw@mail.gmail.com>
 <a20713f0-59f5-2fca-d610-c4f5d8bcf312@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <CADCoycNA_c3_jn8KufJWE2=012=X37nT9m22xREk0ykeK2kxNQ@mail.gmail.com>

the lcb documentation, especially in the api widget is ungreat.
the good news is that as long as there is an oss repo version of LC, you
can hunt for some of the information that is missing. AND, at least for
now, you can still find much of it in the LC application
example: as i was hunting, i found a bunch of editors, but none of them
seem to be documented anywhere obvious.

On Sun, Aug 28, 2022 at 1:18 PM Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> On 8/28/22 09:58, Mike Kerner via use-livecode wrote:
> > things for lcb that are supposedly documented, but i can't find:
> > * editor types (e.g. com.livecode.pi.number)
> > * other metadata definitions for properties, widgets, etc.)
>
> ...things that we use in LCS but aren't available in LCB:
> colornames
> switch statements
> etc.
>
> --
>   Mark Wieder
>   ahsoftware at gmail.com
>
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> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."

From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Sun Aug 28 14:25:59 2022
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2022 11:25:59 -0700
Subject: lcb missing manual
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycNA_c3_jn8KufJWE2=012=X37nT9m22xREk0ykeK2kxNQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycPt-rJbQCfrAG_zcb7MjNVar2aOBOLUqo8jxFKbcv=sMw@mail.gmail.com>
 <a20713f0-59f5-2fca-d610-c4f5d8bcf312@sonic.net>
 <CADCoycNA_c3_jn8KufJWE2=012=X37nT9m22xREk0ykeK2kxNQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <33692627-5f0a-25ff-c4a8-5664e460a7cb@sonic.net>

On 8/28/22 11:06, Mike Kerner wrote:
> the lcb documentation, especially in the api widget is ungreat.
> the good news is that as long as there is an oss repo version of LC, you 
> can hunt for some of the information that is missing. AND, at least for 
> now, you can still find much of it in the LC application
> example: as i was hunting, i found a bunch of editors, but none of them 
> seem to be documented anywhere obvious.

Yep - I find most of my documentation by digging.

The lack of colornames just bit me earlier this week and I had to 
backpedal and code a list of a dozen color names as "R,G,B". Even the 
"#FFFFFF" format isn't accepted.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com


From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Sun Aug 28 15:05:44 2022
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2022 21:05:44 +0200
Subject: BN Guides
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKtp7xtjPORrV8vciYqf3OgZ_TTxww2Soe7my-Zk8Xi_HCA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2B813B89-5BA5-4C48-8B36-35BBE9344B07@iotecdigital.com>
 <CAKCLKtp7xtjPORrV8vciYqf3OgZ_TTxww2Soe7my-Zk8Xi_HCA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A70F5473-A27C-43DE-9FB0-82A46BC4176C@m-r-d.de>

Geoff,

you can find the most current version here

https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=31920 <https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=31920>


Regards,
Matthias


> Am 28.08.2022 um 19:38 schrieb Geoff Canyon via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>>:
> 
> Where are the BN guides? I'd be curious to see how this is happening. As I
> recall, Navigator is designed to dive through whatever behaviors are set
> regardless of how deep the rabbit hole goes to find the actual behavior,
> but I haven't looked at that part of the code in years.
> 
> gc
> 
> On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 8:26 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
> 
>> Who wrote BN Guides? Very cool, but there is a conflict with Navigator.
>> When I double-click an object in Navigator to open it's script, I get t he
>> BNGuides script instead.
>> 
>> Bob S
>> 
>> 
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From gcanyon at gmail.com  Sun Aug 28 15:29:27 2022
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2022 12:29:27 -0700
Subject: Livecode / Github
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKtr55nmwbHFLFRX65hAVj_LOtRHyxwMLqhxw2X-VUBPR4Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycP9zp6XZkjYWyLYXLPY4S_r0pkz0PXkCtHy6SSd17SrEQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <9860AEA8-BA22-4047-986E-A904AAB6AD47@pidigital.co.uk>
 <CAKCLKtr55nmwbHFLFRX65hAVj_LOtRHyxwMLqhxw2X-VUBPR4Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKCLKtp2N49WGjVsO8w9CE=evqsvBrdWdoooawF_Mc4UQNiqSQ@mail.gmail.com>

To be clear: if anyone wants to try Navigator's export to script behaviors
function -- work on a copy, and I'd love feedback.

On Sun, Aug 28, 2022 at 10:35 AM Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at gmail.com> wrote:

> The same applies to the code in Navigator. I wrote it about five years ago
> when I was preparing to transform Navigator itself to use script behaviors.
>
> Always work on a copy.
>
> That said, it worked fine for Navigator, and no one has ever told me it
> broke anything.
>
> gc
>
> On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 10:06 PM Pi Digital via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> I tried scriptifier and it broke stuff so just be careful with it and
>> check its output.
>>
>> Sean
>>
>>
>> > On 19 Aug 2022, at 01:39, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hey Skip, long time...
>> > I don't know if you were around when script-only-stack behaviors came
>> into
>> > being, but you can now rip all of the code out of your stacks and
>> happily
>> > use vc/git. The stacks themselves are still binary (although several of
>> us
>> > have been messing with dumping that paradigm completely, it's less
>> > practical than I would have hoped, as of today).
>> > Navigator will export every script in a project into behavior stacks,
>> and
>> > Monte wrote a stack called "Scriptifier", if memory serves. It's
>> embedded
>> > in the LC bundle, and it does the same thing, namely extracting all the
>> > scripts out of a project and putting them into .livecodescript text
>> files.
>> > Levure is great. I have used it with every project I've worked on for
>> > several years, BUT you don't have to use it to go this route.
>> >
>> >> On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 7:04 PM Martin Koob via use-livecode <
>> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hi SKIP
>> >>
>> >> Welcome back to the list!
>> >>
>> >> There is Levure which I knew of as a third party application framework
>> >> created by Trevor DeVore but I just did a search for it and I see it
>> now on
>> >> the LiveCode website described as an App Collaboration Framework.
>> >> https://livecode.com/products/livecode-platform/levure/ <
>> >> https://livecode.com/products/livecode-platform/levure/>  So it must
>> have
>> >> at some point migrated to the mother ship.
>> >>
>> >> I haven’t used it but I have considered migrating my application to it.
>> >> It works with version control systems as long as you follow its
>> >> recommendations about how to organize your code into behaviours that
>> are
>> >> stored in script only stacks which are just text files that a version
>> >> control system can read (These are somewhat new so depending on when
>> you
>> >> last used LiveCode they may be new to you.)  This was an enhancement
>> that
>> >> has enabled the use of version control for scripts in a project. It is
>> the
>> >> binary stacks that versions control systems can’t track so in Levure
>> those
>> >> are just used for user interface.
>> >>
>> >> Hope this helps.
>> >>
>> >> Martin
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> On Aug 18, 2022, at 6:38 PM, Skip Kimpel via use-livecode <
>> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Greetings!
>> >>>
>> >>> Been a while since I have been on this list.  Working on a new project
>> >> and
>> >>> wondering if the backing up of Livecode files to Github was ever
>> >>> implemented and created.  I know there was talk of it at one time.
>> >>>
>> >>> I apologize if it has been in place for a while and I am just out of
>> the
>> >>> loop.  Actually, I HOPE that is the case!
>> >>>
>> >>> Regards,
>> >>>
>> >>> SKIP
>> >>> _______________________________________________
>> >>> use-livecode mailing list
>> >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> >> subscription preferences:
>> >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> >>
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> use-livecode mailing list
>> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> >> subscription preferences:
>> >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
>> > On the second day, God created the oceans.
>> > On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>> >   and did a little diving.
>> > And God said, "This is good."
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > use-livecode mailing list
>> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> _______________________________________________
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>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
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>

From neville.smythe at optusnet.com.au  Sun Aug 28 19:04:49 2022
From: neville.smythe at optusnet.com.au (Neville Smythe)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2022 09:04:49 +1000
Subject: SVG Icon tool query
Message-ID: <2CE89FAF-15FB-4AF0-B486-CC2575B911B5@optusnet.com.au>

Many thanks to Brian for sharing the fantastic collection of icons included in this tool. Can I enquire as to the copyright status of the images?

Neville




From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Sun Aug 28 19:18:43 2022
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2022 19:18:43 -0400
Subject: SVG Icon tool query
In-Reply-To: <2CE89FAF-15FB-4AF0-B486-CC2575B911B5@optusnet.com.au>
References: <2CE89FAF-15FB-4AF0-B486-CC2575B911B5@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <CADCoycMSgQ5VGvJ=ZtA-f43t6Eao+wwUz8NoXMneWgomE1o6pQ@mail.gmail.com>

I looked at the source that Brian says he used in his repo (
https://github.com/leungwensen/svg-icon). I don't see any copyright listed
on that site, but it has all of the libraries linked to it...but then at
least the first one (Ant) doesn't seem to have any license listed anywhere,
either.

On Sun, Aug 28, 2022 at 7:06 PM Neville Smythe via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Many thanks to Brian for sharing the fantastic collection of icons
> included in this tool. Can I enquire as to the copyright status of the
> images?
>
> Neville
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>


-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."

From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Sun Aug 28 19:22:06 2022
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2022 19:22:06 -0400
Subject: Svg Icon Tool
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycMoprOFoNUNEmgr2daUN23MJ-tXxDfsxHZ1zH_OwdNn7A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <003c01d8b964$22059910$6610cb30$@net>
 <90227B15-2B5C-48FB-B695-35C440F3DAA9@milby7.com>
 <006101d8b981$94e1dee0$bea59ca0$@net>
 <CADCoycOUb1P-16JvksJM2j=91VNw4-V3_trD1otzS1F_c0tc5g@mail.gmail.com>
 <CADCoycMoprOFoNUNEmgr2daUN23MJ-tXxDfsxHZ1zH_OwdNn7A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycOvbGvREio8gyjPMJG_Qf_D8i=UjeiOq1NOOYWyNPwzbQ@mail.gmail.com>

Interesting:
Steven/LC also made a cool demo of the polyList for displaying the svg icon
families and icons that are currently in LC. It's called "SVGIconList", and
it uses a total of... 23 lines of code.

On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 4:50 PM Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com>
wrote:

> sorry - STEVEN
>
> On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 4:08 PM Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com>
> wrote:
>
>> i decided, yesterday, to go through the lcb lessons, again, because of
>> this issue (and wanting to deal with a couple of things in the iconPicker).
>> hopefully it'll be done and released before i finish the course, because
>> Stephen said that he's going to have a new version of powerButton out in
>> the morning, which will hopefully cause me to forget about this while i
>> play with that.
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 3:26 PM Ralph DiMola via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I looked at the code and an auto hilite property could be added and the
>>> hiliteing could be disabled. It would be confusing but it would be allow
>>> one to control the hilite. I'm going to try it for laughs.
>>>
>>> Ralph DiMola
>>> IT Director
>>> Evergreen Information Services
>>> rdimola at evergreeninfo.net
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On
>>> Behalf Of Brian Milby via use-livecode
>>> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2022 1:13 PM
>>> To: How to use LiveCode
>>> Cc: Brian Milby
>>> Subject: Re: Svg Icon Tool
>>>
>>> I think that if auto highlight is disabled then hiliteChanged would
>>> never get triggered.  Having the back end highlight change without it
>>> visually changing would probably lead to confusion.
>>>
>>>
>>> > On Aug 26, 2022, at 11:55 AM, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode <
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > What if the widget had a property to disable the auto hilite on click
>>> and when the hiliteChanged message arrives you can set(or not) the hilite
>>> as appropriate via setting a widget property? A pre-message would be
>>> cleaner but this is not horrible.
>>> >
>>> > Ralph DiMola
>>> > IT Director
>>> > Evergreen Information Services
>>> > rdimola at evergreeninfo.net
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>> subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>> subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
>> On the second day, God created the oceans.
>> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>>    and did a little diving.
>> And God said, "This is good."
>>
>
>
> --
> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>    and did a little diving.
> And God said, "This is good."
>


-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."

From sean at pidigital.co.uk  Sun Aug 28 21:30:15 2022
From: sean at pidigital.co.uk (Pi Digital)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2022 02:30:15 +0100
Subject: Livecode / Github
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKtp2N49WGjVsO8w9CE=evqsvBrdWdoooawF_Mc4UQNiqSQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKtp2N49WGjVsO8w9CE=evqsvBrdWdoooawF_Mc4UQNiqSQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9ECE2480-BAAB-4E8A-B97D-70F2153A91C3@pidigital.co.uk>

It will be good to see, once available, how using the new SmartCrumbs add on will help with this. All objects in JSON form and then use stack scripts (and htmlText, AudioClip and VideoClip data) in your GitHub repository. This is something I really want to start implementing. 

Sean


> On 28 Aug 2022, at 20:29, Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> To be clear: if anyone wants to try Navigator's export to script behaviors function -- work on a copy, and I'd love feedback.
> 
>> On Sun, Aug 28, 2022 at 10:35 AM Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at gmail.com> wrote:
>> The same applies to the code in Navigator. I wrote it about five years ago when I was preparing to transform Navigator itself to use script behaviors. 
>> 
>> Always work on a copy.
>> 
>> That said, it worked fine for Navigator, and no one has ever told me it broke anything.
>> 
>> gc
>> 
>>> On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 10:06 PM Pi Digital via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> I tried scriptifier and it broke stuff so just be careful with it and check its output. 
>>> 
>>> Sean
>>> 
>>> 
>>> > On 19 Aug 2022, at 01:39, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> > 
>>> > Hey Skip, long time...
>>> > I don't know if you were around when script-only-stack behaviors came into
>>> > being, but you can now rip all of the code out of your stacks and happily
>>> > use vc/git. The stacks themselves are still binary (although several of us
>>> > have been messing with dumping that paradigm completely, it's less
>>> > practical than I would have hoped, as of today).
>>> > Navigator will export every script in a project into behavior stacks, and
>>> > Monte wrote a stack called "Scriptifier", if memory serves. It's embedded
>>> > in the LC bundle, and it does the same thing, namely extracting all the
>>> > scripts out of a project and putting them into .livecodescript text files.
>>> > Levure is great. I have used it with every project I've worked on for
>>> > several years, BUT you don't have to use it to go this route.
>>> > 
>>> >> On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 7:04 PM Martin Koob via use-livecode <
>>> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> >> 
>>> >> Hi SKIP
>>> >> 
>>> >> Welcome back to the list!
>>> >> 
>>> >> There is Levure which I knew of as a third party application framework
>>> >> created by Trevor DeVore but I just did a search for it and I see it now on
>>> >> the LiveCode website described as an App Collaboration Framework.
>>> >> https://livecode.com/products/livecode-platform/levure/ <
>>> >> https://livecode.com/products/livecode-platform/levure/>  So it must have
>>> >> at some point migrated to the mother ship.
>>> >> 
>>> >> I haven’t used it but I have considered migrating my application to it.
>>> >> It works with version control systems as long as you follow its
>>> >> recommendations about how to organize your code into behaviours that are
>>> >> stored in script only stacks which are just text files that a version
>>> >> control system can read (These are somewhat new so depending on when you
>>> >> last used LiveCode they may be new to you.)  This was an enhancement that
>>> >> has enabled the use of version control for scripts in a project. It is the
>>> >> binary stacks that versions control systems can’t track so in Levure those
>>> >> are just used for user interface.
>>> >> 
>>> >> Hope this helps.
>>> >> 
>>> >> Martin
>>> >> 
>>> >> 
>>> >>> On Aug 18, 2022, at 6:38 PM, Skip Kimpel via use-livecode <
>>> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> >>> 
>>> >>> Greetings!
>>> >>> 
>>> >>> Been a while since I have been on this list.  Working on a new project
>>> >> and
>>> >>> wondering if the backing up of Livecode files to Github was ever
>>> >>> implemented and created.  I know there was talk of it at one time.
>>> >>> 
>>> >>> I apologize if it has been in place for a while and I am just out of the
>>> >>> loop.  Actually, I HOPE that is the case!
>>> >>> 
>>> >>> Regards,
>>> >>> 
>>> >>> SKIP
>>> >>> _______________________________________________
>>> >>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>> >> subscription preferences:
>>> >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>> >> 
>>> >> _______________________________________________
>>> >> use-livecode mailing list
>>> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>> >> subscription preferences:
>>> >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>> >> 
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> > -- 
>>> > On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
>>> > On the second day, God created the oceans.
>>> > On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>>> >   and did a little diving.
>>> > And God said, "This is good."
>>> > _______________________________________________
>>> > use-livecode mailing list
>>> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>>> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

From brian at milby7.com  Sun Aug 28 23:45:07 2022
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2022 23:45:07 -0400
Subject: Livecode / Github
In-Reply-To: <9ECE2480-BAAB-4E8A-B97D-70F2153A91C3@pidigital.co.uk>
References: <CAKCLKtp2N49WGjVsO8w9CE=evqsvBrdWdoooawF_Mc4UQNiqSQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <9ECE2480-BAAB-4E8A-B97D-70F2153A91C3@pidigital.co.uk>
Message-ID: <CA+yhkRZQoNx0mvuNyDVr08zeERV5W_Zg3aSbZ+=cV5AXGrtBWA@mail.gmail.com>

If you want to see what the JSON export looks like for a fairly small
stack, you can view this:
https://github.com/bwmilby/SvgIconTool/blob/main/smartcrumbs/SvgIconTool.livecode.sc/stackFileProperties.json

Unfortunately you will need to download and view it with something that
understands the CR line ending since GitHub doesn't.  That repo has both
ScriptTracker exports and SmartCrumbs exports of the stack.  The former is
designed with two things in mind:  allowing changes in the scripts that are
part of a binary stack to be tracked and allowing the editing of those
scripts in an external editor (I like Atom for the linting, have not tried
the newer option).  The latter looks to be a way to completely decompose a
stack into mostly text files (images being one exception) that can be
tracked (and in theory changes merged together I'm guessing).

Since the JSON file is keyed off of the GUIDs of each object, it really
doesn't lend itself to human inspection.  Assuming line endings are sane
(probably would work for Windows and definitely will work for Linux), Git
should easily be able to track the changes.  Whether someone could easily
discern which object was being touched is another matter (which would be
necessary to merge changes together).

On Sun, Aug 28, 2022 at 9:31 PM Pi Digital via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> It will be good to see, once available, how using the new SmartCrumbs add
> on will help with this. All objects in JSON form and then use stack scripts
> (and htmlText, AudioClip and VideoClip data) in your GitHub repository.
> This is something I really want to start implementing.
>
> Sean
>
>
> > On 28 Aug 2022, at 20:29, Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > To be clear: if anyone wants to try Navigator's export to script
> behaviors function -- work on a copy, and I'd love feedback.
> >
> >> On Sun, Aug 28, 2022 at 10:35 AM Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> The same applies to the code in Navigator. I wrote it about five years
> ago when I was preparing to transform Navigator itself to use script
> behaviors.
> >>
> >> Always work on a copy.
> >>
> >> That said, it worked fine for Navigator, and no one has ever told me it
> broke anything.
> >>
> >> gc
> >>
> >>> On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 10:06 PM Pi Digital via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>> I tried scriptifier and it broke stuff so just be careful with it and
> check its output.
> >>>
> >>> Sean
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> > On 19 Aug 2022, at 01:39, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> > Hey Skip, long time...
> >>> > I don't know if you were around when script-only-stack behaviors
> came into
> >>> > being, but you can now rip all of the code out of your stacks and
> happily
> >>> > use vc/git. The stacks themselves are still binary (although several
> of us
> >>> > have been messing with dumping that paradigm completely, it's less
> >>> > practical than I would have hoped, as of today).
> >>> > Navigator will export every script in a project into behavior
> stacks, and
> >>> > Monte wrote a stack called "Scriptifier", if memory serves. It's
> embedded
> >>> > in the LC bundle, and it does the same thing, namely extracting all
> the
> >>> > scripts out of a project and putting them into .livecodescript text
> files.
> >>> > Levure is great. I have used it with every project I've worked on for
> >>> > several years, BUT you don't have to use it to go this route.
> >>> >
> >>> >> On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 7:04 PM Martin Koob via use-livecode <
> >>> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Hi SKIP
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Welcome back to the list!
> >>> >>
> >>> >> There is Levure which I knew of as a third party application
> framework
> >>> >> created by Trevor DeVore but I just did a search for it and I see
> it now on
> >>> >> the LiveCode website described as an App Collaboration Framework.
> >>> >> https://livecode.com/products/livecode-platform/levure/ <
> >>> >> https://livecode.com/products/livecode-platform/levure/>  So it
> must have
> >>> >> at some point migrated to the mother ship.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> I haven’t used it but I have considered migrating my application to
> it.
> >>> >> It works with version control systems as long as you follow its
> >>> >> recommendations about how to organize your code into behaviours
> that are
> >>> >> stored in script only stacks which are just text files that a
> version
> >>> >> control system can read (These are somewhat new so depending on
> when you
> >>> >> last used LiveCode they may be new to you.)  This was an
> enhancement that
> >>> >> has enabled the use of version control for scripts in a project. It
> is the
> >>> >> binary stacks that versions control systems can’t track so in
> Levure those
> >>> >> are just used for user interface.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Hope this helps.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Martin
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>> On Aug 18, 2022, at 6:38 PM, Skip Kimpel via use-livecode <
> >>> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> Greetings!
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> Been a while since I have been on this list.  Working on a new
> project
> >>> >> and
> >>> >>> wondering if the backing up of Livecode files to Github was ever
> >>> >>> implemented and created.  I know there was talk of it at one time.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> I apologize if it has been in place for a while and I am just out
> of the
> >>> >>> loop.  Actually, I HOPE that is the case!
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> Regards,
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> SKIP
> >>> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> >>> use-livecode mailing list
> >>> >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >>> >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> >>> >> subscription preferences:
> >>> >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >>> >>
> >>> >> _______________________________________________
> >>> >> use-livecode mailing list
> >>> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >>> >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> >>> >> subscription preferences:
> >>> >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >>> >>
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > --
> >>> > On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> >>> > On the second day, God created the oceans.
> >>> > On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
> >>> >   and did a little diving.
> >>> > And God said, "This is good."
> >>> > _______________________________________________
> >>> > use-livecode mailing list
> >>> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >>> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> >>> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> use-livecode mailing list
> >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Mon Aug 29 09:04:57 2022
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2022 09:04:57 -0400
Subject: Livecode / Github
In-Reply-To: <CA+yhkRZQoNx0mvuNyDVr08zeERV5W_Zg3aSbZ+=cV5AXGrtBWA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKtp2N49WGjVsO8w9CE=evqsvBrdWdoooawF_Mc4UQNiqSQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <9ECE2480-BAAB-4E8A-B97D-70F2153A91C3@pidigital.co.uk>
 <CA+yhkRZQoNx0mvuNyDVr08zeERV5W_Zg3aSbZ+=cV5AXGrtBWA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycMZLiZJ9pdaKf=qmGBVQL3TyxghXtNozCdf3JZ3tQQNQA@mail.gmail.com>

I would love for us to get to a place where we could have it both ways.

On Sun, Aug 28, 2022 at 11:46 PM Brian Milby via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> If you want to see what the JSON export looks like for a fairly small
> stack, you can view this:
>
> https://github.com/bwmilby/SvgIconTool/blob/main/smartcrumbs/SvgIconTool.livecode.sc/stackFileProperties.json
>
> Unfortunately you will need to download and view it with something that
> understands the CR line ending since GitHub doesn't.  That repo has both
> ScriptTracker exports and SmartCrumbs exports of the stack.  The former is
> designed with two things in mind:  allowing changes in the scripts that are
> part of a binary stack to be tracked and allowing the editing of those
> scripts in an external editor (I like Atom for the linting, have not tried
> the newer option).  The latter looks to be a way to completely decompose a
> stack into mostly text files (images being one exception) that can be
> tracked (and in theory changes merged together I'm guessing).
>
> Since the JSON file is keyed off of the GUIDs of each object, it really
> doesn't lend itself to human inspection.  Assuming line endings are sane
> (probably would work for Windows and definitely will work for Linux), Git
> should easily be able to track the changes.  Whether someone could easily
> discern which object was being touched is another matter (which would be
> necessary to merge changes together).
>
> On Sun, Aug 28, 2022 at 9:31 PM Pi Digital via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > It will be good to see, once available, how using the new SmartCrumbs add
> > on will help with this. All objects in JSON form and then use stack
> scripts
> > (and htmlText, AudioClip and VideoClip data) in your GitHub repository.
> > This is something I really want to start implementing.
> >
> > Sean
> >
> >
> > > On 28 Aug 2022, at 20:29, Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > To be clear: if anyone wants to try Navigator's export to script
> > behaviors function -- work on a copy, and I'd love feedback.
> > >
> > >> On Sun, Aug 28, 2022 at 10:35 AM Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >> The same applies to the code in Navigator. I wrote it about five years
> > ago when I was preparing to transform Navigator itself to use script
> > behaviors.
> > >>
> > >> Always work on a copy.
> > >>
> > >> That said, it worked fine for Navigator, and no one has ever told me
> it
> > broke anything.
> > >>
> > >> gc
> > >>
> > >>> On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 10:06 PM Pi Digital via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >>> I tried scriptifier and it broke stuff so just be careful with it and
> > check its output.
> > >>>
> > >>> Sean
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> > On 19 Aug 2022, at 01:39, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >>> >
> > >>> > Hey Skip, long time...
> > >>> > I don't know if you were around when script-only-stack behaviors
> > came into
> > >>> > being, but you can now rip all of the code out of your stacks and
> > happily
> > >>> > use vc/git. The stacks themselves are still binary (although
> several
> > of us
> > >>> > have been messing with dumping that paradigm completely, it's less
> > >>> > practical than I would have hoped, as of today).
> > >>> > Navigator will export every script in a project into behavior
> > stacks, and
> > >>> > Monte wrote a stack called "Scriptifier", if memory serves. It's
> > embedded
> > >>> > in the LC bundle, and it does the same thing, namely extracting all
> > the
> > >>> > scripts out of a project and putting them into .livecodescript text
> > files.
> > >>> > Levure is great. I have used it with every project I've worked on
> for
> > >>> > several years, BUT you don't have to use it to go this route.
> > >>> >
> > >>> >> On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 7:04 PM Martin Koob via use-livecode <
> > >>> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >> Hi SKIP
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >> Welcome back to the list!
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >> There is Levure which I knew of as a third party application
> > framework
> > >>> >> created by Trevor DeVore but I just did a search for it and I see
> > it now on
> > >>> >> the LiveCode website described as an App Collaboration Framework.
> > >>> >> https://livecode.com/products/livecode-platform/levure/ <
> > >>> >> https://livecode.com/products/livecode-platform/levure/>  So it
> > must have
> > >>> >> at some point migrated to the mother ship.
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >> I haven’t used it but I have considered migrating my application
> to
> > it.
> > >>> >> It works with version control systems as long as you follow its
> > >>> >> recommendations about how to organize your code into behaviours
> > that are
> > >>> >> stored in script only stacks which are just text files that a
> > version
> > >>> >> control system can read (These are somewhat new so depending on
> > when you
> > >>> >> last used LiveCode they may be new to you.)  This was an
> > enhancement that
> > >>> >> has enabled the use of version control for scripts in a project.
> It
> > is the
> > >>> >> binary stacks that versions control systems can’t track so in
> > Levure those
> > >>> >> are just used for user interface.
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >> Hope this helps.
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >> Martin
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >>> On Aug 18, 2022, at 6:38 PM, Skip Kimpel via use-livecode <
> > >>> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >>> >>>
> > >>> >>> Greetings!
> > >>> >>>
> > >>> >>> Been a while since I have been on this list.  Working on a new
> > project
> > >>> >> and
> > >>> >>> wondering if the backing up of Livecode files to Github was ever
> > >>> >>> implemented and created.  I know there was talk of it at one
> time.
> > >>> >>>
> > >>> >>> I apologize if it has been in place for a while and I am just out
> > of the
> > >>> >>> loop.  Actually, I HOPE that is the case!
> > >>> >>>
> > >>> >>> Regards,
> > >>> >>>
> > >>> >>> SKIP
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> > >>> >
> > >>> >
> > >>> > --
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> > >>> > On the second day, God created the oceans.
> > >>> > On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
> > >>> >   and did a little diving.
> > >>> > And God said, "This is good."
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On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."

From gcanyon at gmail.com  Mon Aug 29 11:26:58 2022
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2022 08:26:58 -0700
Subject: BN Guides
In-Reply-To: <A70F5473-A27C-43DE-9FB0-82A46BC4176C@m-r-d.de>
References: <2B813B89-5BA5-4C48-8B36-35BBE9344B07@iotecdigital.com>
 <CAKCLKtp7xtjPORrV8vciYqf3OgZ_TTxww2Soe7my-Zk8Xi_HCA@mail.gmail.com>
 <A70F5473-A27C-43DE-9FB0-82A46BC4176C@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <CAKCLKtqrje5JDDsPS4fS9raph+ATKf08DpzvFsyYHcZak=QR5Q@mail.gmail.com>

Okay, so it looks like BN Guides works by assigning behaviors to controls
and temporarily adding controls to your stack as you drag things. I think
this is meant to be transient as you drag controls. Navigator out of the
box assumes that behaviors are what you're interested in when you
double-click to edit a script, so if BN Guides has assigned a behavior, it
opens the script BN Guides assigns as the behavior.

If I'm right and the assignment of behaviors is supposed to be the case
only while you're dragging, then simply deselecting the dragged controls
should correct this.

If there's an issue with BN Guides, or you want to be *sure* to open the
control's script, and not a behavior, you can:

1. In Navigator Preferences, you can choose what to do on double-click --
and double-click with many modifier keys. If all of your scripts are in the
actual controls, then select "Edit Script" for "Double-click" instead of
the default "
2. Right-click a command-bar and select "Edit Script" as the action for
that command bar, and then click it to edit the control's script.

At some point I considered updating the script menu to display all the
controls in the behavior chain. Anyone feel free to let me know if that's a
necessary thing.

gc

On Sun, Aug 28, 2022 at 12:06 PM matthias rebbe via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Geoff,
>
> you can find the most current version here
>
> https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=31920 <
> https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=31920>
>
>
> Regards,
> Matthias
>
>
> > Am 28.08.2022 um 19:38 schrieb Geoff Canyon via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>>:
> >
> > Where are the BN guides? I'd be curious to see how this is happening. As
> I
> > recall, Navigator is designed to dive through whatever behaviors are set
> > regardless of how deep the rabbit hole goes to find the actual behavior,
> > but I haven't looked at that part of the code in years.
> >
> > gc
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 8:26 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Who wrote BN Guides? Very cool, but there is a conflict with Navigator.
> >> When I double-click an object in Navigator to open it's script, I get t
> he
> >> BNGuides script instead.
> >>
> >> Bob S
> >>
> >>
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From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Mon Aug 29 13:29:37 2022
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2022 10:29:37 -0700
Subject: Livecode / Github
In-Reply-To: <CA+yhkRZQoNx0mvuNyDVr08zeERV5W_Zg3aSbZ+=cV5AXGrtBWA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKtp2N49WGjVsO8w9CE=evqsvBrdWdoooawF_Mc4UQNiqSQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <9ECE2480-BAAB-4E8A-B97D-70F2153A91C3@pidigital.co.uk>
 <CA+yhkRZQoNx0mvuNyDVr08zeERV5W_Zg3aSbZ+=cV5AXGrtBWA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <baf29a07-23e8-bab7-ddf1-1c0ed366dcf6@sonic.net>

On 8/28/22 20:45, Brian Milby via use-livecode wrote:
> If you want to see what the JSON export looks like for a fairly small
> stack, you can view this:
> https://github.com/bwmilby/SvgIconTool/blob/main/smartcrumbs/SvgIconTool.livecode.sc/stackFileProperties.json
> 
> Unfortunately you will need to download and view it with something that
> understands the CR line ending since GitHub doesn't.  That repo has both
> ScriptTracker exports and SmartCrumbs exports of the stack.  The former is
> designed with two things in mind:  allowing changes in the scripts that are
> part of a binary stack to be tracked and allowing the editing of those
> scripts in an external editor (I like Atom for the linting, have not tried
> the newer option).  The latter looks to be a way to completely decompose a
> stack into mostly text files (images being one exception) that can be
> tracked (and in theory changes merged together I'm guessing).

OK - I just tried out smartcrumbs to check it out. Not quite sure what's 
going on here. Outsmarted by smartcrumbs.

According to the lesson you just drag this onto a stack.
Nope.
Click the "Export Stack" button.
Stack flickers.
Did anything happen?
According to the dictionary there's an scGetPathLog().
Maybe that will give me a clue.
/My LiveCode/SmartCrumbsVCW/logs//2022-08-29
Eh?
What's this "/My LiveCode" thing? I don't have one of those.
And why is it trying to store that off my root directory?
Let's try that one again.
"Recursion limit reached"
I'll try scExportStack from the message box.
It gives "can't find handler"

OK - back to real work.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com


From brian at milby7.com  Mon Aug 29 13:53:26 2022
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2022 13:53:26 -0400
Subject: Livecode / Github
In-Reply-To: <baf29a07-23e8-bab7-ddf1-1c0ed366dcf6@sonic.net>
References: <CAKCLKtp2N49WGjVsO8w9CE=evqsvBrdWdoooawF_Mc4UQNiqSQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <9ECE2480-BAAB-4E8A-B97D-70F2153A91C3@pidigital.co.uk>
 <CA+yhkRZQoNx0mvuNyDVr08zeERV5W_Zg3aSbZ+=cV5AXGrtBWA@mail.gmail.com>
 <baf29a07-23e8-bab7-ddf1-1c0ed366dcf6@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <CA+yhkRa9uKH3JSkiHKg33JcFbk=JkmCW6oSh8=YMz+s6xEq7tA@mail.gmail.com>

I used Magic Palette to do the export.  It should create the folder
structure next to the stack file that was the topstack in the IDE.
I have not looked at the lesson though.

On Mon, Aug 29, 2022 at 1:31 PM Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> On 8/28/22 20:45, Brian Milby via use-livecode wrote:
> > If you want to see what the JSON export looks like for a fairly small
> > stack, you can view this:
> >
> https://github.com/bwmilby/SvgIconTool/blob/main/smartcrumbs/SvgIconTool.livecode.sc/stackFileProperties.json
> >
> > Unfortunately you will need to download and view it with something that
> > understands the CR line ending since GitHub doesn't.  That repo has both
> > ScriptTracker exports and SmartCrumbs exports of the stack.  The former
> is
> > designed with two things in mind:  allowing changes in the scripts that
> are
> > part of a binary stack to be tracked and allowing the editing of those
> > scripts in an external editor (I like Atom for the linting, have not
> tried
> > the newer option).  The latter looks to be a way to completely decompose
> a
> > stack into mostly text files (images being one exception) that can be
> > tracked (and in theory changes merged together I'm guessing).
>
> OK - I just tried out smartcrumbs to check it out. Not quite sure what's
> going on here. Outsmarted by smartcrumbs.
>
> According to the lesson you just drag this onto a stack.
> Nope.
> Click the "Export Stack" button.
> Stack flickers.
> Did anything happen?
> According to the dictionary there's an scGetPathLog().
> Maybe that will give me a clue.
> /My LiveCode/SmartCrumbsVCW/logs//2022-08-29
> Eh?
> What's this "/My LiveCode" thing? I don't have one of those.
> And why is it trying to store that off my root directory?
> Let's try that one again.
> "Recursion limit reached"
> I'll try scExportStack from the message box.
> It gives "can't find handler"
>
> OK - back to real work.
>
> --
>   Mark Wieder
>   ahsoftware at gmail.com
>
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From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Mon Aug 29 15:06:24 2022
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2022 12:06:24 -0700
Subject: Livecode / Github
In-Reply-To: <CA+yhkRa9uKH3JSkiHKg33JcFbk=JkmCW6oSh8=YMz+s6xEq7tA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKtp2N49WGjVsO8w9CE=evqsvBrdWdoooawF_Mc4UQNiqSQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <9ECE2480-BAAB-4E8A-B97D-70F2153A91C3@pidigital.co.uk>
 <CA+yhkRZQoNx0mvuNyDVr08zeERV5W_Zg3aSbZ+=cV5AXGrtBWA@mail.gmail.com>
 <baf29a07-23e8-bab7-ddf1-1c0ed366dcf6@sonic.net>
 <CA+yhkRa9uKH3JSkiHKg33JcFbk=JkmCW6oSh8=YMz+s6xEq7tA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8b549acf-8e33-a468-d7e8-3c1fa6ce7c34@sonic.net>

On 8/29/22 10:53, Brian Milby via use-livecode wrote:
> I used Magic Palette to do the export.  It should create the folder
> structure next to the stack file that was the topstack in the IDE.

Ah. OK - So I had to look up the filename of the stack first.
Would have been nice if the nonexistent log file told me that.

> I have not looked at the lesson though.

Not missing anything there.
I've just been going by the dictionary entries.
But now I've opened the guide.md file and see more, although the 
formatting is wonky. Gotta love the fact that the TOC entry is 
"Unknown". Looks like it was rushed out the door.

-- 
-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com


From sean at pidigital.co.uk  Mon Aug 29 15:22:31 2022
From: sean at pidigital.co.uk (Pi Digital)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2022 20:22:31 +0100
Subject: Livecode / Github
In-Reply-To: <8b549acf-8e33-a468-d7e8-3c1fa6ce7c34@sonic.net>
References: <8b549acf-8e33-a468-d7e8-3c1fa6ce7c34@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <69E24074-BEF2-4381-B2CC-82CC370A0322@pidigital.co.uk>

Look at the guide in the guide section of the dictionary app. It formats okay (although I’m going through and rewriting the grammar to send for an update).

Thanks Brian for the heads up on MagicPallet. I hadn’t looked to see what that was for yet. It’s all early stages yet but it’s looking very promising. 

Sean Cole
Pi Digital Productions Ltd

eMail Ts & Cs


> On 29 Aug 2022, at 20:06, Mark Wieder via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> On 8/29/22 10:53, Brian Milby via use-livecode wrote:
>> I used Magic Palette to do the export.  It should create the folder
>> structure next to the stack file that was the topstack in the IDE.
> 
> Ah. OK - So I had to look up the filename of the stack first.
> Would have been nice if the nonexistent log file told me that.
> 
>> I have not looked at the lesson though.
> 
> Not missing anything there.
> I've just been going by the dictionary entries.
> But now I've opened the guide.md file and see more, although the formatting is wonky. Gotta love the fact that the TOC entry is "Unknown". Looks like it was rushed out the door.
> 
> -- 
> -- 
> Mark Wieder
> ahsoftware at gmail.com
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From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Mon Aug 29 15:37:02 2022
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2022 12:37:02 -0700
Subject: Livecode / Github
In-Reply-To: <69E24074-BEF2-4381-B2CC-82CC370A0322@pidigital.co.uk>
References: <8b549acf-8e33-a468-d7e8-3c1fa6ce7c34@sonic.net>
 <69E24074-BEF2-4381-B2CC-82CC370A0322@pidigital.co.uk>
Message-ID: <8dcbb283-4907-b69a-5e89-46cfb451fb81@sonic.net>

On 8/29/22 12:22, Pi Digital via use-livecode wrote:
> Look at the guide in the guide section of the dictionary app. It formats okay (although Im going through and rewriting the grammar to send for an update).

Thanks, Sean. Yeah - that does format much better in a browser.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com


From gregg.podnar at gmail.com  Mon Aug 29 16:38:26 2022
From: gregg.podnar at gmail.com (Gregg)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2022 16:38:26 -0400
Subject: Why is Livecode not on this list?
Message-ID: <BC5AD0B3-D712-4166-B2C9-20CB592469DE@gmail.com>

https://spectrum.ieee.org/top-programming-languages-2022

From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Aug 29 16:51:16 2022
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2022 13:51:16 -0700
Subject: BN Guides
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKtqrje5JDDsPS4fS9raph+ATKf08DpzvFsyYHcZak=QR5Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKtqrje5JDDsPS4fS9raph+ATKf08DpzvFsyYHcZak=QR5Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c90166f7-f87d-cb6b-8f94-e44e6ca9abcd@fourthworld.com>

Geoff Canyon wrote:

 > Okay, so it looks like BN Guides works by assigning behaviors to
 > controls and temporarily adding controls to your stack as you drag
 > things. I think this is meant to be transient as you drag controls.

Instinctively I'd be inclined to try a frontscript before something as 
intrusive as altering an object's behavior property for something this 
transient.

But Bernd does good work, so I'm curious: why this approach and not a 
frontScript?

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Aug 29 16:55:36 2022
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2022 13:55:36 -0700
Subject: Why is Livecode not on this list?
In-Reply-To: <BC5AD0B3-D712-4166-B2C9-20CB592469DE@gmail.com>
References: <BC5AD0B3-D712-4166-B2C9-20CB592469DE@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9da4504f-ba77-e5c3-4dff-35520079e94d@fourthworld.com>

Gregg wrote:

 > https://spectrum.ieee.org/top-programming-languages-2022

Demand.

Their methodology note explains it's based on job listings. When was the 
last time you saw a job posting for LC skills?

It's also a short list (50?).

This one ranks by usage, listing the hundred most popular, where LC has 
only been in the top 50 a few times over the years I've been tracking 
it, but is often in the bottom 50 (out of hundreds of languages not so bad):

https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Mon Aug 29 17:15:04 2022
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2022 22:15:04 +0100
Subject: Why is Livecode not on this list?
In-Reply-To: <9da4504f-ba77-e5c3-4dff-35520079e94d@fourthworld.com>
References: <BC5AD0B3-D712-4166-B2C9-20CB592469DE@gmail.com>
 <9da4504f-ba77-e5c3-4dff-35520079e94d@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <CAL3fwtgFgf6nnHYJ728UWwvBnQ+jkHx2KiFp-9Ud7Q87yP4qUg@mail.gmail.com>

Personally, My 'take' on LiveCode is that, generally, it is ideal for
boutique programming, for specific free-standing applications.

It is also excellent for teaching children programming concepts in a
relatively digestable way without dumbing programming down in the way
block-coding efforts such as Scratch do.

As such, there will always be very few advertisements for LiveCode
programmers.

That should not, in any way, devalue LiveCode.

On Mon, 29 Aug 2022, 21:56 Richard Gaskin via use-livecode, <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Gregg wrote:
>
>  > https://spectrum.ieee.org/top-programming-languages-2022
>
> Demand.
>
> Their methodology note explains it's based on job listings. When was the
> last time you saw a job posting for LC skills?
>
> It's also a short list (50?).
>
> This one ranks by usage, listing the hundred most popular, where LC has
> only been in the top 50 a few times over the years I've been tracking
> it, but is often in the bottom 50 (out of hundreds of languages not so
> bad):
>
> https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/
>
> --
>   Richard Gaskin
>   Fourth World Systems
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From paul at researchware.com  Mon Aug 29 17:36:01 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2022 17:36:01 -0400
Subject: the script of <object> with line numbers?
Message-ID: <fbf457bd-ade4-bb22-8b27-4e1ca2e0ebd9@researchware.com>

Is there a way (an existing function or command in the language or IDE) 
to get the script of an object WITH the line numbers as you see them in 
the IDE script editor?

OR

Do I just have to do something like:

put the script of tObject into tScript
repeat with i=1 to the number of lines in tScript
   put i &space before line i of tScript
end repeat

Any secret IDE or LCS knowledge welcome. Thank you in advance.




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Aug 29 17:50:53 2022
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2022 16:50:53 -0500
Subject: the script of <object> with line numbers?
In-Reply-To: <fbf457bd-ade4-bb22-8b27-4e1ca2e0ebd9@researchware.com>
References: <fbf457bd-ade4-bb22-8b27-4e1ca2e0ebd9@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <5a84a1e9-7623-3a12-1bd1-8a69f8029b05@hyperactivesw.com>

On 8/29/22 4:36 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
> Is there a way (an existing function or command in the language or IDE) to get the script of an 
> object WITH the line numbers as you see them in the IDE script editor?
> 
> OR
> 
> Do I just have to do something like:
> 
> put the script of tObject into tScript
> repeat with i=1 to the number of lines in tScript
>    put i &space before line i of tScript
> end repeat
> 
> Any secret IDE or LCS knowledge welcome. Thank you in advance.

How about:

   get the script of <object>
   split it by cr
   combine it by cr and tab
   sort it numeric



-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com

From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Aug 29 17:55:00 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2022 21:55:00 +0000
Subject: the script of <object> with line numbers?
In-Reply-To: <5a84a1e9-7623-3a12-1bd1-8a69f8029b05@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <fbf457bd-ade4-bb22-8b27-4e1ca2e0ebd9@researchware.com>
 <5a84a1e9-7623-3a12-1bd1-8a69f8029b05@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <DCC04082-3726-4630-9585-B819B6B69F51@iotecdigital.com>

Maybe marginally better:

...
sort it by word 1 of each

Bob S


On Aug 29, 2022, at 14:50 , J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com<mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:

On 8/29/22 4:36 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
Is there a way (an existing function or command in the language or IDE) to get the script of an object WITH the line numbers as you see them in the IDE script editor?
OR
Do I just have to do something like:
put the script of tObject into tScript
repeat with i=1 to the number of lines in tScript
  put i &space before line i of tScript
end repeat
Any secret IDE or LCS knowledge welcome. Thank you in advance.

How about:

 get the script of <object>
 split it by cr
 combine it by cr and tab
 sort it numeric



--
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com<mailto:jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com<http://www.hyperactivesw.com/>


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Aug 29 17:55:42 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2022 21:55:42 +0000
Subject: the script of <object> with line numbers?
In-Reply-To: <DCC04082-3726-4630-9585-B819B6B69F51@iotecdigital.com>
References: <fbf457bd-ade4-bb22-8b27-4e1ca2e0ebd9@researchware.com>
 <5a84a1e9-7623-3a12-1bd1-8a69f8029b05@hyperactivesw.com>
 <DCC04082-3726-4630-9585-B819B6B69F51@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <94DD7BBC-C054-4B62-AEE6-9757D2C9750F@iotecdigital.com>

Correction:

sort it numeric by word 1 of each

Bob S


On Aug 29, 2022, at 14:55 , Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com<mailto:bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com>> wrote:

Maybe marginally better:

...
sort it by word 1 of each

Bob S


On Aug 29, 2022, at 14:50 , J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com<mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:

On 8/29/22 4:36 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
Is there a way (an existing function or command in the language or IDE) to get the script of an object WITH the line numbers as you see them in the IDE script editor?
OR
Do I just have to do something like:
put the script of tObject into tScript
repeat with i=1 to the number of lines in tScript
  put i &space before line i of tScript
end repeat
Any secret IDE or LCS knowledge welcome. Thank you in advance.

How about:

 get the script of <object>
 split it by cr
 combine it by cr and tab
 sort it numeric



--
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com<mailto:jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com<http://www.hyperactivesw.com/>



From Bernd.Niggemann at uni-wh.de  Mon Aug 29 18:25:29 2022
From: Bernd.Niggemann at uni-wh.de (Niggemann, Bernd)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2022 22:25:29 +0000
Subject: BN Guides
Message-ID: <3160207C-1B51-4F13-818C-1DDDD0F8D9ED@uni-wh.de>

> Richard Gaskin via use-livecode Mon, 29 Aug 2022 13:53:13 -0700
> 
> Geoff Canyon wrote:
> 
> > Okay, so it looks like BN Guides works by assigning behaviors to
> > controls and temporarily adding controls to your stack as you drag
> > things. I think this is meant to be transient as you drag controls.
> 
> Instinctively I'd be inclined to try a frontscript before something as intrusive as altering an object's behavior property for something this transient.
> 
> But Bernd does good work, so I'm curious: why this approach and not a frontScript?

Actually I was experimenting and wanted to use behaviors dynamically at the time when I wrote this. A proof of principle if you want. It worked surprisingly well.
That is why I sticked to behaviors. After fixing some edge cases it even removes the behaviors correctly...
At the time there were no guides available for LC.

But as of LC 10 Guidelines will be part of the IDE and that looks and works really well. (LC uses a backScript)

Kind regards
Bernd

From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Mon Aug 29 18:58:41 2022
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2022 15:58:41 -0700
Subject: the script of <object> with line numbers?
In-Reply-To: <fbf457bd-ade4-bb22-8b27-4e1ca2e0ebd9@researchware.com>
References: <fbf457bd-ade4-bb22-8b27-4e1ca2e0ebd9@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <5674863c-d58b-e35a-3cce-94e2dccef55a@sonic.net>

On 8/29/22 14:36, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
> Is there a way (an existing function or command in the language or IDE) 
> to get the script of an object WITH the line numbers as you see them in 
> the IDE script editor?

While some clever solutions have been posted, I gotta ask WHY?

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Aug 29 19:10:27 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2022 23:10:27 +0000
Subject: the script of <object> with line numbers?
In-Reply-To: <5674863c-d58b-e35a-3cce-94e2dccef55a@sonic.net>
References: <fbf457bd-ade4-bb22-8b27-4e1ca2e0ebd9@researchware.com>
 <5674863c-d58b-e35a-3cce-94e2dccef55a@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <937A8FE2-4A88-495F-AE16-8466665E3956@iotecdigital.com>

That question always reminds me of Mathesar when he discoveres that Commander Peter Quincy Taggert has been lying all along. :-)

Bob S


On Aug 29, 2022, at 15:58 , Mark Wieder via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com<mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:

On 8/29/22 14:36, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
Is there a way (an existing function or command in the language or IDE) to get the script of an object WITH the line numbers as you see them in the IDE script editor?

While some clever solutions have been posted, I gotta ask WHY?

--
Mark Wieder
ahsoftware at gmail.com<mailto:ahsoftware at gmail.com>


From paul at researchware.com  Mon Aug 29 19:11:09 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2022 19:11:09 -0400
Subject: the script of <object> with line numbers?
In-Reply-To: <5674863c-d58b-e35a-3cce-94e2dccef55a@sonic.net>
References: <fbf457bd-ade4-bb22-8b27-4e1ca2e0ebd9@researchware.com>
 <5674863c-d58b-e35a-3cce-94e2dccef55a@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <79897272-c615-c15c-854f-4d89f257c14d@researchware.com>

On 8/29/2022 6:58 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:
> On 8/29/22 14:36, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
>> Is there a way (an existing function or command in the language or 
>> IDE) to get the script of an object WITH the line numbers as you see 
>> them in the IDE script editor?
>
> While some clever solutions have been posted, I gotta ask WHY?
>

In our applications, we trap the script error dialog and replace the 
default with our own. That dialog lets customers send the 
executionContexts and some other debugging information to us to report 
an error (if one gets by quality/beta testing).

So we get the executionContext that say "error such and such occurred at 
line 342 of some handler". The line number is the line of the whole 
script the handler is in.

When we et the message and log the problem in our instance of Bugzilla, 
one of the 1st things is to look at the script and see what the line of 
code references actually says.

It could reduce a trouble should step to include the line numbers 
programmatically in the error report.

No a huge priority in the scheme of things, but a "nice to have" sort of 
thing. Does that answer the "why?"



From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Aug 29 19:18:34 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2022 23:18:34 +0000
Subject: the script of <object> with line numbers?
In-Reply-To: <79897272-c615-c15c-854f-4d89f257c14d@researchware.com>
References: <fbf457bd-ade4-bb22-8b27-4e1ca2e0ebd9@researchware.com>
 <5674863c-d58b-e35a-3cce-94e2dccef55a@sonic.net>
 <79897272-c615-c15c-854f-4d89f257c14d@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <72224209-4337-4747-A52B-AA2DF2B5EBB3@iotecdigital.com>

As long as Mathesar is happy, I'm happy.

Bob S


On Aug 29, 2022, at 16:11 , Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com<mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:

No a huge priority in the scheme of things, but a "nice to have" sort of thing. Does that answer the "why?"


From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Mon Aug 29 19:19:40 2022
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2022 16:19:40 -0700
Subject: the script of <object> with line numbers?
In-Reply-To: <79897272-c615-c15c-854f-4d89f257c14d@researchware.com>
References: <fbf457bd-ade4-bb22-8b27-4e1ca2e0ebd9@researchware.com>
 <5674863c-d58b-e35a-3cce-94e2dccef55a@sonic.net>
 <79897272-c615-c15c-854f-4d89f257c14d@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <d1c8cae0-2aa3-3563-5276-69855210bbdc@sonic.net>

On 8/29/22 16:11, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:

> It could reduce a trouble should step to include the line numbers 
> programmatically in the error report.
> 
> No a huge priority in the scheme of things, but a "nice to have" sort of 
> thing. Does that answer the "why?"

Somewhat. If you already have the line number from the error message, 
why not just grab that line of script? Or preface it with the line 
number you already have in your possession?

But I find that the executionContexts gives me more information than 
just where the error occurred, since the actual problem may be farther 
up the line and it's only the end symptom that triggers the error.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com


From Bernd.Niggemann at uni-wh.de  Mon Aug 29 19:22:19 2022
From: Bernd.Niggemann at uni-wh.de (Niggemann, Bernd)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2022 23:22:19 +0000
Subject: BN Guides
Message-ID: <0CFB84B5-71D9-4F2D-AE86-67356B005FD8@uni-wh.de>

> Richard Gaskin via use-livecode Mon, 29 Aug 2022 13:53:13 -0700
> so I'm curious: why this approach and not a frontScript?

I thought about why I used behaviors a little more.
What intrigued me was the idea that via a behavior a control was made aware of its neighbours. Be it a group or a control it knew where all the other objects were. Even dragged them along when needed.
And it worked semi autonomously with a little help from "the owner of this me".

I think that was my main fascination when using behaviors. It was a change of perspective from the central perspective to a decentralised perspective.


Kind regards
Bernd

From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Aug 29 19:38:28 2022
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2022 16:38:28 -0700
Subject: Why is Livecode not on this list?
In-Reply-To: <CAL3fwtgFgf6nnHYJ728UWwvBnQ+jkHx2KiFp-9Ud7Q87yP4qUg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAL3fwtgFgf6nnHYJ728UWwvBnQ+jkHx2KiFp-9Ud7Q87yP4qUg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9aa11f8f-1ba8-98de-1a9f-76277220a8d7@fourthworld.com>

Richmond Mathewson wrote:

 > As such, there will always be very few advertisements for LiveCode
 > programmers.

But still many good stories to tell. And apparently LC Ltd just hired a 
new Brand & Digital Marketing Lead, so I imagine we'll see those stories 
told.

https://twitter.com/happymaan/status/1562801044132085762

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems


From sean at pidigital.co.uk  Mon Aug 29 23:49:21 2022
From: sean at pidigital.co.uk (Pi Digital)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2022 04:49:21 +0100
Subject: the script of <object> with line numbers?
In-Reply-To: <79897272-c615-c15c-854f-4d89f257c14d@researchware.com>
References: <79897272-c615-c15c-854f-4d89f257c14d@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <33A58CE1-30FF-4A10-8237-EF0F2C8949E2@pidigital.co.uk>

Using The earlier example, you could use

put theErrorLineNum into tLineNum
put the script of stack “myScript” into tScript
split tScript using cr
logError tLineNum, tScript[tLineNum]

Or something like that. 

Sean


>>> Is there a way (an existing function or command in the language or IDE) to get the script of an object WITH the line numbers as you see them in the IDE script editor?
>> 
>> While some clever solutions have been posted, I gotta ask WHY?
>> 
> 
> In our applications, we trap the script error dialog and replace the default with our own. That dialog lets customers send the executionContexts and some other debugging information to us to report an error (if one gets by quality/beta testing).
> 
> So we get the executionContext that say "error such and such occurred at line 342 of some handler". The line number is the line of the whole script the handler is in.
> 
> When we et the message and log the problem in our instance of Bugzilla, one of the 1st things is to look at the script and see what the line of code references actually says.
> 
> It could reduce a trouble should step to include the line numbers programmatically in the error report.

From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Aug 30 01:14:05 2022
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2022 22:14:05 -0700
Subject: the script of <object> with line numbers?
In-Reply-To: <33A58CE1-30FF-4A10-8237-EF0F2C8949E2@pidigital.co.uk>
References: <33A58CE1-30FF-4A10-8237-EF0F2C8949E2@pidigital.co.uk>
Message-ID: <92952525-1fdf-6f86-3e09-9daf297eca3e@fourthworld.com>

Another option: Automate it, replacing Bugzilla's web UI with LC

Mod Ken Ray's RevZilla to retrieve support emails, reformat them however 
needed, tuck them in the DB, integrate the report display with things 
like double-clicking a line in the executtionContexts to open scripts, etc.

http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/livecode/downloads/RevZilla2.htm

One-stop shopping for a fully integrated software support system.

A similar approach could be used with Nextcloud's Deck APIs, or a wide 
range of other issue tracking systems, even Github.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems



From gcanyon at gmail.com  Tue Aug 30 03:45:04 2022
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2022 00:45:04 -0700
Subject: BN Guides
In-Reply-To: <c90166f7-f87d-cb6b-8f94-e44e6ca9abcd@fourthworld.com>
References: <CAKCLKtqrje5JDDsPS4fS9raph+ATKf08DpzvFsyYHcZak=QR5Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <c90166f7-f87d-cb6b-8f94-e44e6ca9abcd@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <CAKCLKtrWZQkmz5H039WVGU4w-o9PGvHyOXzu19JaQVumz779zQ@mail.gmail.com>

He's also throwing controls into the stack to show guides for the
alignment, and then disposing of those. So maybe in for a penny?

If I were doing something like this I think I'd try:

1. A frontscript, as you say, or just setting up to receive IDE messages --
pretty sure there's an objectMoved IDE message or something like it.
2. Using stacks with the shape set as guides.

But maybe my idea is out of date or impractical in some way. I experimented
with some sort of auto-alignment code a long time ago. I have no memory of
how far I got with it.

gc

On Mon, Aug 29, 2022 at 1:52 PM Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Geoff Canyon wrote:
>
>  > Okay, so it looks like BN Guides works by assigning behaviors to
>  > controls and temporarily adding controls to your stack as you drag
>  > things. I think this is meant to be transient as you drag controls.
>
> Instinctively I'd be inclined to try a frontscript before something as
> intrusive as altering an object's behavior property for something this
> transient.
>
> But Bernd does good work, so I'm curious: why this approach and not a
> frontScript?
>
> --
>   Richard Gaskin
>   Fourth World Systems
>
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Aug 30 13:42:52 2022
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2022 10:42:52 -0700
Subject: BN Guides
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKtrWZQkmz5H039WVGU4w-o9PGvHyOXzu19JaQVumz779zQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKtrWZQkmz5H039WVGU4w-o9PGvHyOXzu19JaQVumz779zQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b7063486-1767-af68-4b0f-44f9a7b8ac88@fourthworld.com>

I've fantasized about being able to paint directly to the window buffer 
without using an object, but having done that in C back in the day I 
enjoy the conveniences scripted objects bring.

Your stack suggestion is intriguing, but how does it work in practice?

I find the systemic overhead of dynamically reinstantiating windows to 
fit a changing shape makes things a bit less smooth than I'd prefer.

Or are you suggesting a separate stack for each guide line?  That would 
keep the performance up, but seems tedious to write.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems




Geoff Canyon wrote:
> He's also throwing controls into the stack to show guides for the
> alignment, and then disposing of those. So maybe in for a penny?
> 
> If I were doing something like this I think I'd try:
> 
> 1. A frontscript, as you say, or just setting up to receive IDE messages --
> pretty sure there's an objectMoved IDE message or something like it.
> 2. Using stacks with the shape set as guides.
> 
> But maybe my idea is out of date or impractical in some way. I experimented
> with some sort of auto-alignment code a long time ago. I have no memory of
> how far I got with it.
> 
> gc
> 
> On Mon, Aug 29, 2022 at 1:52 PM Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> Geoff Canyon wrote:
>>
>>  > Okay, so it looks like BN Guides works by assigning behaviors to
>>  > controls and temporarily adding controls to your stack as you drag
>>  > things. I think this is meant to be transient as you drag controls.
>>
>> Instinctively I'd be inclined to try a frontscript before something as
>> intrusive as altering an object's behavior property for something this
>> transient.
>>
>> But Bernd does good work, so I'm curious: why this approach and not a
>> frontScript?
>>
>> --
>>   Richard Gaskin
>>   Fourth World Systems



From gcanyon at gmail.com  Tue Aug 30 17:27:13 2022
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2022 14:27:13 -0700
Subject: BN Guides
In-Reply-To: <b7063486-1767-af68-4b0f-44f9a7b8ac88@fourthworld.com>
References: <b7063486-1767-af68-4b0f-44f9a7b8ac88@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <393ACC2F-9B6C-4FBE-9318-2B3E9C106F2B@gmail.com>

15(?) years ago I wrote an app that bounced a bunch of balls across the screen. Each was a shaped-stack. It has no trouble being pretty smooth even with twenty or so stacks, as I recall. It would be more than enough for guides, especially with the 100x hardware we have today. 

Positioning a stack is as simple as positioning a control, but for any translations to/from global coordinates. 

gc

> On Aug 30, 2022, at 10:44 AM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I've fantasized about being able to paint directly to the window buffer without using an object, but having done that in C back in the day I enjoy the conveniences scripted objects bring.
> 
> Your stack suggestion is intriguing, but how does it work in practice?
> 
> I find the systemic overhead of dynamically reinstantiating windows to fit a changing shape makes things a bit less smooth than I'd prefer.
> 
> Or are you suggesting a separate stack for each guide line?  That would keep the performance up, but seems tedious to write.
> 
> -- 
> Richard Gaskin
> Fourth World Systems
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Geoff Canyon wrote:
>> He's also throwing controls into the stack to show guides for the
>> alignment, and then disposing of those. So maybe in for a penny?
>> If I were doing something like this I think I'd try:
>> 1. A frontscript, as you say, or just setting up to receive IDE messages --
>> pretty sure there's an objectMoved IDE message or something like it.
>> 2. Using stacks with the shape set as guides.
>> But maybe my idea is out of date or impractical in some way. I experimented
>> with some sort of auto-alignment code a long time ago. I have no memory of
>> how far I got with it.
>> gc
>>> On Mon, Aug 29, 2022 at 1:52 PM Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> Geoff Canyon wrote:
>>> 
>>> > Okay, so it looks like BN Guides works by assigning behaviors to
>>> > controls and temporarily adding controls to your stack as you drag
>>> > things. I think this is meant to be transient as you drag controls.
>>> 
>>> Instinctively I'd be inclined to try a frontscript before something as
>>> intrusive as altering an object's behavior property for something this
>>> transient.
>>> 
>>> But Bernd does good work, so I'm curious: why this approach and not a
>>> frontScript?
>>> 
>>> --
>>>  Richard Gaskin
>>>  Fourth World Systems
> 
> 
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From gcanyon at gmail.com  Tue Aug 30 17:30:36 2022
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2022 14:30:36 -0700
Subject: lcb missing manual
In-Reply-To: <33692627-5f0a-25ff-c4a8-5664e460a7cb@sonic.net>
References: <33692627-5f0a-25ff-c4a8-5664e460a7cb@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <816C27F1-2EFD-47F9-A507-46245A41158A@gmail.com>

Is there a page that discusses the pros of LCB? I looked and didn’t find it. 

I’m thinking of a simple list (I’m making this up because I didn’t find the page)

 — N times faster execution than LCS
 — interface with code libraries using simple hooks
 — bundle code and graphics together into widgets

More?

gc

> On Aug 28, 2022, at 11:27 AM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> On 8/28/22 11:06, Mike Kerner wrote:
>> the lcb documentation, especially in the api widget is ungreat.
>> the good news is that as long as there is an oss repo version of LC, you can hunt for some of the information that is missing. AND, at least for now, you can still find much of it in the LC application
>> example: as i was hunting, i found a bunch of editors, but none of them seem to be documented anywhere obvious.
> 
> Yep - I find most of my documentation by digging.
> 
> The lack of colornames just bit me earlier this week and I had to backpedal and code a list of a dozen color names as "R,G,B". Even the "#FFFFFF" format isn't accepted.
> 
> -- 
> Mark Wieder
> ahsoftware at gmail.com
> 
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From brian at milby7.com  Tue Aug 30 17:56:57 2022
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2022 17:56:57 -0400
Subject: lcb missing manual
In-Reply-To: <816C27F1-2EFD-47F9-A507-46245A41158A@gmail.com>
References: <816C27F1-2EFD-47F9-A507-46245A41158A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <69F805E3-DF6D-4403-BE3E-84CAB718344B@milby7.com>

LCB has been slower than LCS, but the advantage is that you can easily link to much faster compiler code.  I’m not sure if that has changed any… I could pull out some code from a while back where we were doing some speed tests.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 30, 2022, at 5:31 PM, Geoff Canyon via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Is there a page that discusses the pros of LCB? I looked and didn’t find it. 
> 
> I’m thinking of a simple list (I’m making this up because I didn’t find the page)
> 
> — N times faster execution than LCS
> — interface with code libraries using simple hooks
> — bundle code and graphics together into widgets
> 
> More?
> 
> gc
> 
>>> On Aug 28, 2022, at 11:27 AM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 8/28/22 11:06, Mike Kerner wrote:
>>> the lcb documentation, especially in the api widget is ungreat.
>>> the good news is that as long as there is an oss repo version of LC, you can hunt for some of the information that is missing. AND, at least for now, you can still find much of it in the LC application
>>> example: as i was hunting, i found a bunch of editors, but none of them seem to be documented anywhere obvious.
>> 
>> Yep - I find most of my documentation by digging.
>> 
>> The lack of colornames just bit me earlier this week and I had to backpedal and code a list of a dozen color names as "R,G,B". Even the "#FFFFFF" format isn't accepted.
>> 
>> -- 
>> Mark Wieder
>> ahsoftware at gmail.com
>> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Aug 30 19:12:47 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2022 23:12:47 +0000
Subject: Standardize Font Appearance
Message-ID: <16B11823-3348-421C-95A3-A8CF2A7170CA@iotecdigital.com>

Hi all. 

I'm at the point now where I want to clean up the appearance of all my projects across all platforms. For instance, I have a Time Calculator stack that calculates total time for any number of start/stop/lunch entries. I have heretofore left my field and label fonts at the default, which for MacOS is <whateveritis>. But when I create a standalone for Windows, the size of that text is larger, and so any labels I have overflow the label and only show me part of the text. 

What I want to do is set up my environment so that whatever font I use in the MacOS uses, there is an identical font on the Windows side as well. I know there is a way to embed fonts in a project, but I don't really understand how that works. 

If I use a font that exists in both Mac and Windows, a common web font for instance, they do not look at all the same on both platforms. Verdana is a good example. I am not averse to purchasing a font family or two and statically setting my font, size and style for every object, so long as the Windows and MacOS look (reasonably) the same. 

Any ideas? 

Bob S



From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Aug 30 19:20:34 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2022 23:20:34 +0000
Subject: Standardize Font Appearance
In-Reply-To: <16B11823-3348-421C-95A3-A8CF2A7170CA@iotecdigital.com>
References: <16B11823-3348-421C-95A3-A8CF2A7170CA@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <B92C5423-EF23-4CD6-9DF1-5E147B7BC359@iotecdigital.com>

Hmmm spoke to soon. I see Start Using Font in the dictionary. I'll explore.

Bob S


On Aug 30, 2022, at 16:12 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com<mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:

Hi all.

I'm at the point now where I want to clean up the appearance of all my projects across all platforms. For instance, I have a Time Calculator stack that calculates total time for any number of start/stop/lunch entries. I have heretofore left my field and label fonts at the default, which for MacOS is <whateveritis>. But when I create a standalone for Windows, the size of that text is larger, and so any labels I have overflow the label and only show me part of the text.

What I want to do is set up my environment so that whatever font I use in the MacOS uses, there is an identical font on the Windows side as well. I know there is a way to embed fonts in a project, but I don't really understand how that works.

If I use a font that exists in both Mac and Windows, a common web font for instance, they do not look at all the same on both platforms. Verdana is a good example. I am not averse to purchasing a font family or two and statically setting my font, size and style for every object, so long as the Windows and MacOS look (reasonably) the same.

Any ideas?

Bob S


From tom at makeshyft.com  Tue Aug 30 20:36:51 2022
From: tom at makeshyft.com (Tom Glod)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2022 20:36:51 -0400
Subject: Standardize Font Appearance
In-Reply-To: <B92C5423-EF23-4CD6-9DF1-5E147B7BC359@iotecdigital.com>
References: <16B11823-3348-421C-95A3-A8CF2A7170CA@iotecdigital.com>
 <B92C5423-EF23-4CD6-9DF1-5E147B7BC359@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CAPzQJLJpWyBoQq718sCaWPtRTEa8WDNpERbZMj_kjWqo+h1XDw@mail.gmail.com>

THe only way to do this is to use google's web fonts and ship them with
your project. It works well.
To save you the trouble, Android requires the fonts to be in a "fonts"
folder in the root folder of your projects.
Or at least its what I read somewhere in the forums.

Cheers Bob

On Tue, Aug 30, 2022 at 7:21 PM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hmmm spoke to soon. I see Start Using Font in the dictionary. I'll explore.
>
> Bob S
>
>
> On Aug 30, 2022, at 16:12 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com<mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>>
> wrote:
>
> Hi all.
>
> I'm at the point now where I want to clean up the appearance of all my
> projects across all platforms. For instance, I have a Time Calculator stack
> that calculates total time for any number of start/stop/lunch entries. I
> have heretofore left my field and label fonts at the default, which for
> MacOS is <whateveritis>. But when I create a standalone for Windows, the
> size of that text is larger, and so any labels I have overflow the label
> and only show me part of the text.
>
> What I want to do is set up my environment so that whatever font I use in
> the MacOS uses, there is an identical font on the Windows side as well. I
> know there is a way to embed fonts in a project, but I don't really
> understand how that works.
>
> If I use a font that exists in both Mac and Windows, a common web font for
> instance, they do not look at all the same on both platforms. Verdana is a
> good example. I am not averse to purchasing a font family or two and
> statically setting my font, size and style for every object, so long as the
> Windows and MacOS look (reasonably) the same.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Bob S
>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Aug 30 21:55:30 2022
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2022 20:55:30 -0500
Subject: Standardize Font Appearance
In-Reply-To: <CAPzQJLJpWyBoQq718sCaWPtRTEa8WDNpERbZMj_kjWqo+h1XDw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <16B11823-3348-421C-95A3-A8CF2A7170CA@iotecdigital.com>
 <B92C5423-EF23-4CD6-9DF1-5E147B7BC359@iotecdigital.com>
 <CAPzQJLJpWyBoQq718sCaWPtRTEa8WDNpERbZMj_kjWqo+h1XDw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <182f19c5250.27a5.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>

I have an Android app that uses a custom font. I just dropped the ttf file 
into the Copy Files pane of standalone settings and issued "start using 
font file" in a preOpenStack handler. Seems to work fine. Easy too.

--
Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
On August 30, 2022 7:39:19 PM Tom Glod via use-livecode 
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> THe only way to do this is to use google's web fonts and ship them with
> your project. It works well.
> To save you the trouble, Android requires the fonts to be in a "fonts"
> folder in the root folder of your projects.
> Or at least its what I read somewhere in the forums.
>
> Cheers Bob
>
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2022 at 7:21 PM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> Hmmm spoke to soon. I see Start Using Font in the dictionary. I'll explore.
>>
>> Bob S
>>
>>
>> On Aug 30, 2022, at 16:12 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com<mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all.
>>
>> I'm at the point now where I want to clean up the appearance of all my
>> projects across all platforms. For instance, I have a Time Calculator stack
>> that calculates total time for any number of start/stop/lunch entries. I
>> have heretofore left my field and label fonts at the default, which for
>> MacOS is <whateveritis>. But when I create a standalone for Windows, the
>> size of that text is larger, and so any labels I have overflow the label
>> and only show me part of the text.
>>
>> What I want to do is set up my environment so that whatever font I use in
>> the MacOS uses, there is an identical font on the Windows side as well. I
>> know there is a way to embed fonts in a project, but I don't really
>> understand how that works.
>>
>> If I use a font that exists in both Mac and Windows, a common web font for
>> instance, they do not look at all the same on both platforms. Verdana is a
>> good example. I am not averse to purchasing a font family or two and
>> statically setting my font, size and style for every object, so long as the
>> Windows and MacOS look (reasonably) the same.
>>
>> Any ideas?
>>
>> Bob S
>>
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>> subscription preferences:
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From sean at pidigital.co.uk  Tue Aug 30 22:02:50 2022
From: sean at pidigital.co.uk (Sean Cole)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2022 03:02:50 +0100
Subject: Livecode / Github
In-Reply-To: <8b549acf-8e33-a468-d7e8-3c1fa6ce7c34@sonic.net>
References: <CAKCLKtp2N49WGjVsO8w9CE=evqsvBrdWdoooawF_Mc4UQNiqSQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <9ECE2480-BAAB-4E8A-B97D-70F2153A91C3@pidigital.co.uk>
 <CA+yhkRZQoNx0mvuNyDVr08zeERV5W_Zg3aSbZ+=cV5AXGrtBWA@mail.gmail.com>
 <baf29a07-23e8-bab7-ddf1-1c0ed366dcf6@sonic.net>
 <CA+yhkRa9uKH3JSkiHKg33JcFbk=JkmCW6oSh8=YMz+s6xEq7tA@mail.gmail.com>
 <8b549acf-8e33-a468-d7e8-3c1fa6ce7c34@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <CABRqQSQHwRdvYpzc1Oe9gMM9nTkFh25uuWzQtbWMnVTu=GhGnw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Mark,

When you said this, how did you use it to get it to work? I'm getting the
same issues as you were.

Thanks
Sean

On Mon, 29 Aug 2022 at 20:06, Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

>
> Ah. OK - So I had to look up the filename of the stack first.
>
>

From sean at pidigital.co.uk  Tue Aug 30 22:36:06 2022
From: sean at pidigital.co.uk (Sean Cole)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2022 03:36:06 +0100
Subject: Livecode / Github
In-Reply-To: <CABRqQSQHwRdvYpzc1Oe9gMM9nTkFh25uuWzQtbWMnVTu=GhGnw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKtp2N49WGjVsO8w9CE=evqsvBrdWdoooawF_Mc4UQNiqSQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <9ECE2480-BAAB-4E8A-B97D-70F2153A91C3@pidigital.co.uk>
 <CA+yhkRZQoNx0mvuNyDVr08zeERV5W_Zg3aSbZ+=cV5AXGrtBWA@mail.gmail.com>
 <baf29a07-23e8-bab7-ddf1-1c0ed366dcf6@sonic.net>
 <CA+yhkRa9uKH3JSkiHKg33JcFbk=JkmCW6oSh8=YMz+s6xEq7tA@mail.gmail.com>
 <8b549acf-8e33-a468-d7e8-3c1fa6ce7c34@sonic.net>
 <CABRqQSQHwRdvYpzc1Oe9gMM9nTkFh25uuWzQtbWMnVTu=GhGnw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABRqQSQ=V95NnEQ18f=d3foU8RRTL7SaOZ5FcPwG=0hzaW=xbA@mail.gmail.com>

Don't worry, it was password protected. I thought it had managed to remove
the protection but the script I ran to remove it from the 97 stacks didn;t
do it properly. So I did it again and then needed to restart LC first for
it to fully recognise the protection removed. All good now. MainStack
exported (it's massive so it took some time). just another 96 stacks to go.
Looks like I'll set up an automation script.

Sean Cole
*Pi Digital Productions Ltd*
www.pidigital.co.uk
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+44(7702)116447

'Don't try to think outside the box. Just remember the truth: There is no
box!'
'For then you realise it is not the box you are trying to look outside of,
but it is yourself!'

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Productions Ltd is a UK registered limited company, no. 5255609


On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 at 03:02, Sean Cole <sean at pidigital.co.uk> wrote:

> Hi Mark,
>
> When you said this, how did you use it to get it to work? I'm getting the
> same issues as you were.
>
> Thanks
> Sean
>
> On Mon, 29 Aug 2022 at 20:06, Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Ah. OK - So I had to look up the filename of the stack first.
>>
>>

From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Tue Aug 30 23:05:16 2022
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2022 20:05:16 -0700
Subject: Livecode / Github
In-Reply-To: <CABRqQSQ=V95NnEQ18f=d3foU8RRTL7SaOZ5FcPwG=0hzaW=xbA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKtp2N49WGjVsO8w9CE=evqsvBrdWdoooawF_Mc4UQNiqSQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <9ECE2480-BAAB-4E8A-B97D-70F2153A91C3@pidigital.co.uk>
 <CA+yhkRZQoNx0mvuNyDVr08zeERV5W_Zg3aSbZ+=cV5AXGrtBWA@mail.gmail.com>
 <baf29a07-23e8-bab7-ddf1-1c0ed366dcf6@sonic.net>
 <CA+yhkRa9uKH3JSkiHKg33JcFbk=JkmCW6oSh8=YMz+s6xEq7tA@mail.gmail.com>
 <8b549acf-8e33-a468-d7e8-3c1fa6ce7c34@sonic.net>
 <CABRqQSQHwRdvYpzc1Oe9gMM9nTkFh25uuWzQtbWMnVTu=GhGnw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CABRqQSQ=V95NnEQ18f=d3foU8RRTL7SaOZ5FcPwG=0hzaW=xbA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56eb98b4-b369-aefa-54d3-eb12f220b87c@sonic.net>

On 8/30/22 19:36, Sean Cole via use-livecode wrote:
> just another 96 stacks to go.
> Looks like I'll set up an automation script.

Ouch! I think the library would do well to check the password status and 
allow entering and cacheing the password as necessary. Too bad it's 
closed source so we can't fix it.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com


From sean at pidigital.co.uk  Wed Aug 31 06:00:41 2022
From: sean at pidigital.co.uk (Sean Cole)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2022 11:00:41 +0100
Subject: Livecode / Github
In-Reply-To: <56eb98b4-b369-aefa-54d3-eb12f220b87c@sonic.net>
References: <CAKCLKtp2N49WGjVsO8w9CE=evqsvBrdWdoooawF_Mc4UQNiqSQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <9ECE2480-BAAB-4E8A-B97D-70F2153A91C3@pidigital.co.uk>
 <CA+yhkRZQoNx0mvuNyDVr08zeERV5W_Zg3aSbZ+=cV5AXGrtBWA@mail.gmail.com>
 <baf29a07-23e8-bab7-ddf1-1c0ed366dcf6@sonic.net>
 <CA+yhkRa9uKH3JSkiHKg33JcFbk=JkmCW6oSh8=YMz+s6xEq7tA@mail.gmail.com>
 <8b549acf-8e33-a468-d7e8-3c1fa6ce7c34@sonic.net>
 <CABRqQSQHwRdvYpzc1Oe9gMM9nTkFh25uuWzQtbWMnVTu=GhGnw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CABRqQSQ=V95NnEQ18f=d3foU8RRTL7SaOZ5FcPwG=0hzaW=xbA@mail.gmail.com>
 <56eb98b4-b369-aefa-54d3-eb12f220b87c@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <CABRqQSSPCCtg1o6MOfyMHta+O1vvOAsJc7JQCHVzLdEgVZU7gQ@mail.gmail.com>

Well, I had to leave it overnight to finish exporting as it was clear to
take some time. This was for just the main stack, not my long list of
stacks. Looking at the message box this morning, though, has a response

Message execution error:
Error description: Object: object does not have this property
Hint:

'Object does not have this property' ?? What property? Thanks LC for giving
me all the information I need to fix it [shrugs]. It hasn't created the
JSON file in the main .sc folder so it must have abandoned the operation at
some point.

I'll give it another go now after a reset and to another faster drive to
see if that improves things but with no other info to go on I have no idea
what needs to be done.

LC Team: :-) It would be REALLY handy if proper errors were thrown when one
occurs that can help us easily understand what the issues are. Also, if
prior to release documentation were gone through to make sure they are
legible. And if plugins released actually work as described. :-)

Sean


On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 at 04:05, Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> On 8/30/22 19:36, Sean Cole via use-livecode wrote:
> > just another 96 stacks to go.
> > Looks like I'll set up an automation script.
>
> Ouch! I think the library would do well to check the password status and
> allow entering and cacheing the password as necessary. Too bad it's
> closed source so we can't fix it.
>
> --
>   Mark Wieder
>   ahsoftware at gmail.com
>
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From brian at milby7.com  Wed Aug 31 08:46:51 2022
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2022 08:46:51 -0400
Subject: Livecode / Github
In-Reply-To: <CABRqQSSPCCtg1o6MOfyMHta+O1vvOAsJc7JQCHVzLdEgVZU7gQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABRqQSSPCCtg1o6MOfyMHta+O1vvOAsJc7JQCHVzLdEgVZU7gQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6E98ACFE-F3E6-4C26-A1A7-57E9F139FAF5@milby7.com>

Had it created any of the script or other objects?  Curious whether it builds the JSON first or if it is done while exporting the other assets.

Thanks,
Brian

> On Aug 31, 2022, at 6:02 AM, Sean Cole via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Well, I had to leave it overnight to finish exporting as it was clear to
> take some time. This was for just the main stack, not my long list of
> stacks. Looking at the message box this morning, though, has a response
> 
> Message execution error:
> Error description: Object: object does not have this property
> Hint:
> 
> 'Object does not have this property' ?? What property? Thanks LC for giving
> me all the information I need to fix it [shrugs]. It hasn't created the
> JSON file in the main .sc folder so it must have abandoned the operation at
> some point.
> 
> I'll give it another go now after a reset and to another faster drive to
> see if that improves things but with no other info to go on I have no idea
> what needs to be done.
> 
> LC Team: :-) It would be REALLY handy if proper errors were thrown when one
> occurs that can help us easily understand what the issues are. Also, if
> prior to release documentation were gone through to make sure they are
> legible. And if plugins released actually work as described. :-)
> 
> Sean
> 
> 
>> On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 at 04:05, Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 8/30/22 19:36, Sean Cole via use-livecode wrote:
>>> just another 96 stacks to go.
>>> Looks like I'll set up an automation script.
>> 
>> Ouch! I think the library would do well to check the password status and
>> allow entering and cacheing the password as necessary. Too bad it's
>> closed source so we can't fix it.
>> 
>> --
>>  Mark Wieder
>>  ahsoftware at gmail.com
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
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From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Wed Aug 31 08:53:09 2022
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2022 08:53:09 -0400
Subject: lcb missing manual
In-Reply-To: <69F805E3-DF6D-4403-BE3E-84CAB718344B@milby7.com>
References: <816C27F1-2EFD-47F9-A507-46245A41158A@gmail.com>
 <69F805E3-DF6D-4403-BE3E-84CAB718344B@milby7.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycPXd64uwtce1RFz5r+mVXaKN0t5wLh217=7bfChs5ryvw@mail.gmail.com>

It would be interesting if lcb was slower, since it's supposed to be
lower-level.
The demo that Steven did, demonstrating the speed of populating a polyGrid
(lcb widget) vs. a dataGrid (lcs group) was that it was much, much faster.

On Tue, Aug 30, 2022 at 5:58 PM Brian Milby via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> LCB has been slower than LCS, but the advantage is that you can easily
> link to much faster compiler code.  I’m not sure if that has changed any… I
> could pull out some code from a while back where we were doing some speed
> tests.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Aug 30, 2022, at 5:31 PM, Geoff Canyon via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Is there a page that discusses the pros of LCB? I looked and didn’t
> find it.
> >
> > I’m thinking of a simple list (I’m making this up because I didn’t find
> the page)
> >
> > — N times faster execution than LCS
> > — interface with code libraries using simple hooks
> > — bundle code and graphics together into widgets
> >
> > More?
> >
> > gc
> >
> >>> On Aug 28, 2022, at 11:27 AM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On 8/28/22 11:06, Mike Kerner wrote:
> >>> the lcb documentation, especially in the api widget is ungreat.
> >>> the good news is that as long as there is an oss repo version of LC,
> you can hunt for some of the information that is missing. AND, at least for
> now, you can still find much of it in the LC application
> >>> example: as i was hunting, i found a bunch of editors, but none of
> them seem to be documented anywhere obvious.
> >>
> >> Yep - I find most of my documentation by digging.
> >>
> >> The lack of colornames just bit me earlier this week and I had to
> backpedal and code a list of a dozen color names as "R,G,B". Even the
> "#FFFFFF" format isn't accepted.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Mark Wieder
> >> ahsoftware at gmail.com
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> use-livecode mailing list
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
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From sean at pidigital.co.uk  Wed Aug 31 10:26:15 2022
From: sean at pidigital.co.uk (Sean Cole)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2022 15:26:15 +0100
Subject: lcb missing manual
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycPXd64uwtce1RFz5r+mVXaKN0t5wLh217=7bfChs5ryvw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <816C27F1-2EFD-47F9-A507-46245A41158A@gmail.com>
 <69F805E3-DF6D-4403-BE3E-84CAB718344B@milby7.com>
 <CADCoycPXd64uwtce1RFz5r+mVXaKN0t5wLh217=7bfChs5ryvw@mail.gmail.com>
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The subject of the dictionary has long been one of contention. One that I
have often spoken up and been shouted down about (nb, I'm not making
accusations or flames :) ). But I also understand the great amount of
resources this would take to produce decent, up to date guides and
indices of all the terms and libraries. LC's become quite the behemoth and
I doubt any one individual could carry it out. Indeed, even a bunch of us
during past HacktoberFests only achieved a percentage of it.

The AI thing Kevin showed us some time ago showed promise. But I'm not sure
how far off that is from seeing the light of day. Hopefully soon if I
haven't already missed it. But, even so, a lot of the examples, language
and syntax are out of date or incomplete so would still need some work.

As someone who eats manuals and dictionaries for brunch I'd love to be part
of the team to put it together as I have in the past. But I guess it would
depend on LCL having the resources to put into it. I would hope they see it
as important as we do.

All the best

On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 at 13:53, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> It would be interesting if lcb was slower, since it's supposed to be
> lower-level.
> The demo that Steven did, demonstrating the speed of populating a polyGrid
> (lcb widget) vs. a dataGrid (lcs group) was that it was much, much faster.
>
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2022 at 5:58 PM Brian Milby via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > LCB has been slower than LCS, but the advantage is that you can easily
> > link to much faster compiler code.  I’m not sure if that has changed
> any… I
> > could pull out some code from a while back where we were doing some speed
> > tests.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Aug 30, 2022, at 5:31 PM, Geoff Canyon via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Is there a page that discusses the pros of LCB? I looked and didn’t
> > find it.
> > >
> > > I’m thinking of a simple list (I’m making this up because I didn’t find
> > the page)
> > >
> > > — N times faster execution than LCS
> > > — interface with code libraries using simple hooks
> > > — bundle code and graphics together into widgets
> > >
> > > More?
> > >
> > > gc
> > >
> > >>> On Aug 28, 2022, at 11:27 AM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> On 8/28/22 11:06, Mike Kerner wrote:
> > >>> the lcb documentation, especially in the api widget is ungreat.
> > >>> the good news is that as long as there is an oss repo version of LC,
> > you can hunt for some of the information that is missing. AND, at least
> for
> > now, you can still find much of it in the LC application
> > >>> example: as i was hunting, i found a bunch of editors, but none of
> > them seem to be documented anywhere obvious.
> > >>
> > >> Yep - I find most of my documentation by digging.
> > >>
> > >> The lack of colornames just bit me earlier this week and I had to
> > backpedal and code a list of a dozen color names as "R,G,B". Even the
> > "#FFFFFF" format isn't accepted.
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Mark Wieder
> > >> ahsoftware at gmail.com
> > >>
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> use-livecode mailing list
> > >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > subscription preferences:
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> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
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From sean at pidigital.co.uk  Wed Aug 31 10:33:03 2022
From: sean at pidigital.co.uk (Pi Digital)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2022 15:33:03 +0100
Subject: Livecode / Github
In-Reply-To: <6E98ACFE-F3E6-4C26-A1A7-57E9F139FAF5@milby7.com>
References: <6E98ACFE-F3E6-4C26-A1A7-57E9F139FAF5@milby7.com>
Message-ID: <FC11F008-9D8C-453C-8AF3-F8B2DFC04011@pidigital.co.uk>

It created a smartcrumbs folder which contained 1 .livecode.sc folder which contained 3 subfolders, medias, scripts and shareTexts. medias contained 1 images folder with 2,325 jpeg files. The scripts folder contained 22,006 livecodescript files. The sharedTexts folders contained 7,352 GUID ref’d folders with one or more html files as well as 7,462 separate html files. And that is all. 

Having tried again using the Export button from the magicPallet (which, because of the delay between pressing the button and it actually exporting, should have a spinner or something to show its working on it) I get the same result but this time with nothing in the message box or any log file. 

I’ll try again but from the message box. The guide definitely says it will create a json file in each .livecode.sc folder that contains information about other objects and substacks. It doesn’t say we need to export each substack individually. But the json file should hold info about all the other stuff as well. We’ll see. 

Sean Cole
Pi Digital Productions Ltd

eMail Ts & Cs


> On 31 Aug 2022, at 13:46, Brian Milby via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Had it created any of the script or other objects?  Curious whether it builds the JSON first or if it is done while exporting the other assets.
> 
> Thanks,
> Brian
> 
>> On Aug 31, 2022, at 6:02 AM, Sean Cole via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Well, I had to leave it overnight to finish exporting as it was clear to
>> take some time. This was for just the main stack, not my long list of
>> stacks. Looking at the message box this morning, though, has a response
>> 
>> Message execution error:
>> Error description: Object: object does not have this property
>> Hint:
>> 
>> 'Object does not have this property' ?? What property? Thanks LC for giving
>> me all the information I need to fix it [shrugs]. It hasn't created the
>> JSON file in the main .sc folder so it must have abandoned the operation at
>> some point.
>> 
>> I'll give it another go now after a reset and to another faster drive to
>> see if that improves things but with no other info to go on I have no idea
>> what needs to be done.
>> 
>> LC Team: :-) It would be REALLY handy if proper errors were thrown when one
>> occurs that can help us easily understand what the issues are. Also, if
>> prior to release documentation were gone through to make sure they are
>> legible. And if plugins released actually work as described. :-)
>> 
>> Sean
>> 
>> 
>>> On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 at 04:05, Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>>> On 8/30/22 19:36, Sean Cole via use-livecode wrote:
>>>>> just another 96 stacks to go.
>>>>> Looks like I'll set up an automation script.
>>> 
>>> Ouch! I think the library would do well to check the password status and
>>> allow entering and cacheing the password as necessary. Too bad it's
>>> closed source so we can't fix it.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Mark Wieder
>>> ahsoftware at gmail.com
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
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From brian at milby7.com  Wed Aug 31 10:37:08 2022
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2022 10:37:08 -0400
Subject: Livecode / Github
In-Reply-To: <FC11F008-9D8C-453C-8AF3-F8B2DFC04011@pidigital.co.uk>
References: <FC11F008-9D8C-453C-8AF3-F8B2DFC04011@pidigital.co.uk>
Message-ID: <1F9327AF-F7BC-45B5-87B8-5E3463CBA5DF@milby7.com>

I’ll run it on my much smaller ScriptTracker stack (which has a couple substacks) and report my findings.

Brian Milby
brian at milby7.com

> On Aug 31, 2022, at 10:34 AM, Pi Digital via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> It created a smartcrumbs folder which contained 1 .livecode.sc folder which contained 3 subfolders, medias, scripts and shareTexts. medias contained 1 images folder with 2,325 jpeg files. The scripts folder contained 22,006 livecodescript files. The sharedTexts folders contained 7,352 GUID ref’d folders with one or more html files as well as 7,462 separate html files. And that is all. 
> 
> Having tried again using the Export button from the magicPallet (which, because of the delay between pressing the button and it actually exporting, should have a spinner or something to show its working on it) I get the same result but this time with nothing in the message box or any log file. 
> 
> I’ll try again but from the message box. The guide definitely says it will create a json file in each .livecode.sc folder that contains information about other objects and substacks. It doesn’t say we need to export each substack individually. But the json file should hold info about all the other stuff as well. We’ll see. 
> 
> Sean Cole
> Pi Digital Productions Ltd
> 
> eMail Ts & Cs
> 
> 
>> On 31 Aug 2022, at 13:46, Brian Milby via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Had it created any of the script or other objects?  Curious whether it builds the JSON first or if it is done while exporting the other assets.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Brian
>> 
>>>> On Aug 31, 2022, at 6:02 AM, Sean Cole via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well, I had to leave it overnight to finish exporting as it was clear to
>>> take some time. This was for just the main stack, not my long list of
>>> stacks. Looking at the message box this morning, though, has a response
>>> 
>>> Message execution error:
>>> Error description: Object: object does not have this property
>>> Hint:
>>> 
>>> 'Object does not have this property' ?? What property? Thanks LC for giving
>>> me all the information I need to fix it [shrugs]. It hasn't created the
>>> JSON file in the main .sc folder so it must have abandoned the operation at
>>> some point.
>>> 
>>> I'll give it another go now after a reset and to another faster drive to
>>> see if that improves things but with no other info to go on I have no idea
>>> what needs to be done.
>>> 
>>> LC Team: :-) It would be REALLY handy if proper errors were thrown when one
>>> occurs that can help us easily understand what the issues are. Also, if
>>> prior to release documentation were gone through to make sure they are
>>> legible. And if plugins released actually work as described. :-)
>>> 
>>> Sean
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 at 04:05, Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>>> On 8/30/22 19:36, Sean Cole via use-livecode wrote:
>>>>>> just another 96 stacks to go.
>>>>>> Looks like I'll set up an automation script.
>>>> 
>>>> Ouch! I think the library would do well to check the password status and
>>>> allow entering and cacheing the password as necessary. Too bad it's
>>>> closed source so we can't fix it.
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> Mark Wieder
>>>> ahsoftware at gmail.com
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>>> subscription preferences:
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From brian at milby7.com  Wed Aug 31 10:48:02 2022
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2022 10:48:02 -0400
Subject: Livecode / Github
In-Reply-To: <1F9327AF-F7BC-45B5-87B8-5E3463CBA5DF@milby7.com>
References: <1F9327AF-F7BC-45B5-87B8-5E3463CBA5DF@milby7.com>
Message-ID: <92124E94-C009-409F-8EA2-745C8B502C36@milby7.com>

https://github.com/bwmilby/scriptTracker

It appears that the JSON file does include all substacks.

Brian Milby
brian at milby7.com

> On Aug 31, 2022, at 10:37 AM, Brian Milby <brian at milby7.com> wrote:
> 
> I’ll run it on my much smaller ScriptTracker stack (which has a couple substacks) and report my findings.
> 
> Brian Milby
> brian at milby7.com
> 
>> On Aug 31, 2022, at 10:34 AM, Pi Digital via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> It created a smartcrumbs folder which contained 1 .livecode.sc folder which contained 3 subfolders, medias, scripts and shareTexts. medias contained 1 images folder with 2,325 jpeg files. The scripts folder contained 22,006 livecodescript files. The sharedTexts folders contained 7,352 GUID ref’d folders with one or more html files as well as 7,462 separate html files. And that is all. 
>> 
>> Having tried again using the Export button from the magicPallet (which, because of the delay between pressing the button and it actually exporting, should have a spinner or something to show its working on it) I get the same result but this time with nothing in the message box or any log file. 
>> 
>> I’ll try again but from the message box. The guide definitely says it will create a json file in each .livecode.sc folder that contains information about other objects and substacks. It doesn’t say we need to export each substack individually. But the json file should hold info about all the other stuff as well. We’ll see. 
>> 
>> Sean Cole
>> Pi Digital Productions Ltd
>> 
>> eMail Ts & Cs
>> 
>> 
>>>> On 31 Aug 2022, at 13:46, Brian Milby via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Had it created any of the script or other objects?  Curious whether it builds the JSON first or if it is done while exporting the other assets.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Brian
>>> 
>>>>> On Aug 31, 2022, at 6:02 AM, Sean Cole via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Well, I had to leave it overnight to finish exporting as it was clear to
>>>> take some time. This was for just the main stack, not my long list of
>>>> stacks. Looking at the message box this morning, though, has a response
>>>> 
>>>> Message execution error:
>>>> Error description: Object: object does not have this property
>>>> Hint:
>>>> 
>>>> 'Object does not have this property' ?? What property? Thanks LC for giving
>>>> me all the information I need to fix it [shrugs]. It hasn't created the
>>>> JSON file in the main .sc folder so it must have abandoned the operation at
>>>> some point.
>>>> 
>>>> I'll give it another go now after a reset and to another faster drive to
>>>> see if that improves things but with no other info to go on I have no idea
>>>> what needs to be done.
>>>> 
>>>> LC Team: :-) It would be REALLY handy if proper errors were thrown when one
>>>> occurs that can help us easily understand what the issues are. Also, if
>>>> prior to release documentation were gone through to make sure they are
>>>> legible. And if plugins released actually work as described. :-)
>>>> 
>>>> Sean
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 at 04:05, Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 8/30/22 19:36, Sean Cole via use-livecode wrote:
>>>>>>> just another 96 stacks to go.
>>>>>>> Looks like I'll set up an automation script.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ouch! I think the library would do well to check the password status and
>>>>> allow entering and cacheing the password as necessary. Too bad it's
>>>>> closed source so we can't fix it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> Mark Wieder
>>>>> ahsoftware at gmail.com
>>>>> 
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>>>> subscription preferences:
>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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From sean at pidigital.co.uk  Wed Aug 31 10:58:01 2022
From: sean at pidigital.co.uk (Sean Cole)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2022 15:58:01 +0100
Subject: Livecode / Github
In-Reply-To: <92124E94-C009-409F-8EA2-745C8B502C36@milby7.com>
References: <1F9327AF-F7BC-45B5-87B8-5E3463CBA5DF@milby7.com>
 <92124E94-C009-409F-8EA2-745C8B502C36@milby7.com>
Message-ID: <CABRqQSR=i0-u-9ApSA0uRUvEYu4TjqV-NUCAPxWBV+60L47o+w@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for the confirmation, Brian.

I tried again from the message box. With a stack this large it takes about
10 seconds before the mainStack disappears for exporting and then reappears
1 min later. About 4-8 mins after that it truely finishes where it flashes
up a white window for a moment then the error appears in the message box,
same as before, object does not have this property. Because everything is
handled using a GUID, I have no idea how far it has got nor which
particular object is causing the problem. We'll find it eventually, I'm
certain.

Sean

On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 at 15:48, Brian Milby via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> https://github.com/bwmilby/scriptTracker
>
> It appears that the JSON file does include all substacks.
>
> Brian Milby
> brian at milby7.com
>
> > On Aug 31, 2022, at 10:37 AM, Brian Milby <brian at milby7.com> wrote:
> >
> > I’ll run it on my much smaller ScriptTracker stack (which has a couple
> substacks) and report my findings.
> >
> > Brian Milby
> > brian at milby7.com
> >
> >> On Aug 31, 2022, at 10:34 AM, Pi Digital via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> It created a smartcrumbs folder which contained 1 .livecode.sc folder
> which contained 3 subfolders, medias, scripts and shareTexts. medias
> contained 1 images folder with 2,325 jpeg files. The scripts folder
> contained 22,006 livecodescript files. The sharedTexts folders contained
> 7,352 GUID ref’d folders with one or more html files as well as 7,462
> separate html files. And that is all.
> >>
> >> Having tried again using the Export button from the magicPallet (which,
> because of the delay between pressing the button and it actually exporting,
> should have a spinner or something to show its working on it) I get the
> same result but this time with nothing in the message box or any log file.
> >>
> >> I’ll try again but from the message box. The guide definitely says it
> will create a json file in each .livecode.sc folder that contains
> information about other objects and substacks. It doesn’t say we need to
> export each substack individually. But the json file should hold info about
> all the other stuff as well. We’ll see.
> >>
> >> Sean Cole
> >> Pi Digital Productions Ltd
> >>
> >> eMail Ts & Cs
> >>
> >>
> >>>> On 31 Aug 2022, at 13:46, Brian Milby via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Had it created any of the script or other objects?  Curious whether
> it builds the JSON first or if it is done while exporting the other assets.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Brian
> >>>
> >>>>> On Aug 31, 2022, at 6:02 AM, Sean Cole via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Well, I had to leave it overnight to finish exporting as it was
> clear to
> >>>> take some time. This was for just the main stack, not my long list of
> >>>> stacks. Looking at the message box this morning, though, has a
> response
> >>>>
> >>>> Message execution error:
> >>>> Error description: Object: object does not have this property
> >>>> Hint:
> >>>>
> >>>> 'Object does not have this property' ?? What property? Thanks LC for
> giving
> >>>> me all the information I need to fix it [shrugs]. It hasn't created
> the
> >>>> JSON file in the main .sc folder so it must have abandoned the
> operation at
> >>>> some point.
> >>>>
> >>>> I'll give it another go now after a reset and to another faster drive
> to
> >>>> see if that improves things but with no other info to go on I have no
> idea
> >>>> what needs to be done.
> >>>>
> >>>> LC Team: :-) It would be REALLY handy if proper errors were thrown
> when one
> >>>> occurs that can help us easily understand what the issues are. Also,
> if
> >>>> prior to release documentation were gone through to make sure they are
> >>>> legible. And if plugins released actually work as described. :-)
> >>>>
> >>>> Sean
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 at 04:05, Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
> >>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> On 8/30/22 19:36, Sean Cole via use-livecode wrote:
> >>>>>>> just another 96 stacks to go.
> >>>>>>> Looks like I'll set up an automation script.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Ouch! I think the library would do well to check the password status
> and
> >>>>> allow entering and cacheing the password as necessary. Too bad it's
> >>>>> closed source so we can't fix it.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Mark Wieder
> >>>>> ahsoftware at gmail.com
> >>>>>
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Aug 31 11:17:59 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2022 15:17:59 +0000
Subject: Standardize Font Appearance
In-Reply-To: <CAPzQJLJpWyBoQq718sCaWPtRTEa8WDNpERbZMj_kjWqo+h1XDw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <16B11823-3348-421C-95A3-A8CF2A7170CA@iotecdigital.com>
 <B92C5423-EF23-4CD6-9DF1-5E147B7BC359@iotecdigital.com>
 <CAPzQJLJpWyBoQq718sCaWPtRTEa8WDNpERbZMj_kjWqo+h1XDw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5C7E50AF-B53A-4ED6-AD7B-2841FBE4A9CD@iotecdigital.com>

Great idea! I looked for a download link for the fonts, but all I can find are github links to the source code (I don't want to have to build out all the fonts if that's what that is) and other sources for font downloaders and synchs. Is there anywhere I can just download the OTF files? 

Bob S


> On Aug 30, 2022, at 17:36 , Tom Glod via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> THe only way to do this is to use google's web fonts and ship them with
> your project. It works well.
> To save you the trouble, Android requires the fonts to be in a "fonts"
> folder in the root folder of your projects.
> Or at least its what I read somewhere in the forums.
> 
> Cheers Bob
> 
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2022 at 7:21 PM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hmmm spoke to soon. I see Start Using Font in the dictionary. I'll explore.
>> 
>> Bob S
>> 
>> 
>> On Aug 30, 2022, at 16:12 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com<mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all.
>> 
>> I'm at the point now where I want to clean up the appearance of all my
>> projects across all platforms. For instance, I have a Time Calculator stack
>> that calculates total time for any number of start/stop/lunch entries. I
>> have heretofore left my field and label fonts at the default, which for
>> MacOS is <whateveritis>. But when I create a standalone for Windows, the
>> size of that text is larger, and so any labels I have overflow the label
>> and only show me part of the text.
>> 
>> What I want to do is set up my environment so that whatever font I use in
>> the MacOS uses, there is an identical font on the Windows side as well. I
>> know there is a way to embed fonts in a project, but I don't really
>> understand how that works.
>> 
>> If I use a font that exists in both Mac and Windows, a common web font for
>> instance, they do not look at all the same on both platforms. Verdana is a
>> good example. I am not averse to purchasing a font family or two and
>> statically setting my font, size and style for every object, so long as the
>> Windows and MacOS look (reasonably) the same.
>> 
>> Any ideas?
>> 
>> Bob S
>> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Aug 31 11:27:22 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2022 15:27:22 +0000
Subject: Standardize Font Appearance
In-Reply-To: <5C7E50AF-B53A-4ED6-AD7B-2841FBE4A9CD@iotecdigital.com>
References: <16B11823-3348-421C-95A3-A8CF2A7170CA@iotecdigital.com>
 <B92C5423-EF23-4CD6-9DF1-5E147B7BC359@iotecdigital.com>
 <CAPzQJLJpWyBoQq718sCaWPtRTEa8WDNpERbZMj_kjWqo+h1XDw@mail.gmail.com>
 <5C7E50AF-B53A-4ED6-AD7B-2841FBE4A9CD@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <97A503CE-34F0-4BA8-8CA8-C7E52E7A1364@iotecdigital.com>

Okay I see there are a butt-ton of them and must be downloaded individually. They can be had at fonts.com<http://fonts.com>. I already found one I like for my module headers!

Bob S


On Aug 31, 2022, at 08:17 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com<mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:

Great idea! I looked for a download link for the fonts, but all I can find are github links to the source code (I don't want to have to build out all the fonts if that's what that is) and other sources for font downloaders and synchs. Is there anywhere I can just download the OTF files?

Bob S


From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Wed Aug 31 12:11:02 2022
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2022 09:11:02 -0700
Subject: Livecode / Github
In-Reply-To: <CABRqQSR=i0-u-9ApSA0uRUvEYu4TjqV-NUCAPxWBV+60L47o+w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1F9327AF-F7BC-45B5-87B8-5E3463CBA5DF@milby7.com>
 <92124E94-C009-409F-8EA2-745C8B502C36@milby7.com>
 <CABRqQSR=i0-u-9ApSA0uRUvEYu4TjqV-NUCAPxWBV+60L47o+w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <426b5d44-e22c-851e-4119-f34e2940b3a2@sonic.net>

On 8/31/22 07:58, Sean Cole via use-livecode wrote:
> Thanks for the confirmation, Brian.
> 
> I tried again from the message box. With a stack this large it takes about
> 10 seconds before the mainStack disappears for exporting and then reappears
> 1 min later. About 4-8 mins after that it truely finishes where it flashes
> up a white window for a moment then the error appears in the message box,
> same as before, object does not have this property. Because everything is
> handled using a GUID, I have no idea how far it has got nor which
> particular object is causing the problem. We'll find it eventually, I'm
> certain.

Was a log file created? scGetPathLog()
No logs were created for me, but just a thought.

https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23910

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com


From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Wed Aug 31 12:13:32 2022
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2022 09:13:32 -0700
Subject: Livecode / Github
In-Reply-To: <CABRqQSSPCCtg1o6MOfyMHta+O1vvOAsJc7JQCHVzLdEgVZU7gQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKtp2N49WGjVsO8w9CE=evqsvBrdWdoooawF_Mc4UQNiqSQ@mail.gmail.com>
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 <baf29a07-23e8-bab7-ddf1-1c0ed366dcf6@sonic.net>
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 <8b549acf-8e33-a468-d7e8-3c1fa6ce7c34@sonic.net>
 <CABRqQSQHwRdvYpzc1Oe9gMM9nTkFh25uuWzQtbWMnVTu=GhGnw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CABRqQSQ=V95NnEQ18f=d3foU8RRTL7SaOZ5FcPwG=0hzaW=xbA@mail.gmail.com>
 <56eb98b4-b369-aefa-54d3-eb12f220b87c@sonic.net>
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Message-ID: <3ba1188d-59d4-c5d7-3f8e-262529b5ccfc@sonic.net>

On 8/31/22 03:00, Sean Cole via use-livecode wrote:

> LC Team: :-) It would be REALLY handy if proper errors were thrown when one
> occurs that can help us easily understand what the issues are. Also, if
> prior to release documentation were gone through to make sure they are
> legible. And if plugins released actually work as described. :-)

Actually, it's even worse.
The result is empty if no error occurred and "* successful" if it 
worked. To me that seems backwards.

https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23911

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Aug  1 11:20:49 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2022 15:20:49 +0000
Subject: wait 0 with messages
In-Reply-To: <079188a0-9eac-521d-c0d0-a0f1cb087cdb@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <1cae43a6-063a-8243-cee2-cbf8e3b45e47@researchware.com>
 <73d66312-e94e-aba5-5189-67ed6dc9995e@sonic.net>
 <ab1a0a53-f4f0-ed90-298a-6aaf4a01f7ea@researchware.com>
 <8c7a0ae9-c8c8-14be-aea1-efa3cb915bd0@sonic.net>
 <079188a0-9eac-521d-c0d0-a0f1cb087cdb@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <56AA8EF8-C926-4A17-AEC3-16EA9D85350D@iotecdigital.com>

This is correct. 

Bob S


> On Jul 31, 2022, at 12:14 , J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> On 7/31/22 12:04 AM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:
>> I don't think "wait 0" by itself does anything useful. Make a stack with two buttons. Running the script in the first button will prevent mouseUp events in button 2 from being processed.
> 
> I think it must do something, "wait 0" is a workaround for bug 22453 (and 18924 which is now marked as a duplicate.) I had to use the workaround and it works.
> 
> So my take is that any wait allows LC to do housekeeping, and "with messages" also allows app-generated messages. I'd like to get a confirmation from the team though.
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> 
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From paul at researchware.com  Mon Aug  1 15:43:25 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2022 15:43:25 -0400
Subject: wait 0 with messages (and the defaultStack)
In-Reply-To: <1cae43a6-063a-8243-cee2-cbf8e3b45e47@researchware.com>
References: <1cae43a6-063a-8243-cee2-cbf8e3b45e47@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <4187625e-70c0-4873-05b9-78681c875c8f@researchware.com>

On 7/30/2022 3:53 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
> My understanding of 'wait 0 with messages' is that it will cause any 
> pending messages, that are not scheduled for a time later than the 
> current time, in the pendingMessages queue to be processed before 
> continuing. Messages later than the current time (when the statement 
> is executed) will not be processed (yet).
>
> Is this correct?
>

First, than you to those that have responded.

The reason I got curious about 'wait 0 with messages' (or even just 
'wait 0') is because of an epiphany I had just last week regarding a bug 
a customer reported in our software. The customer experienced and 
execution error and our software presents a custom dialog that allows 
them to email out support account some information, including the 
'executionContexts' so we have some code debugging information.

The problem as a 'can't find object' error. In reviewing the code, I 
could see no way that the error should have occurred. The code was using 
the ChartMaker library to create a graph. It all looked good per 
documentation and we could not reproduce the error in house. I then 
noticed a 'wait 0 with messages' prior to the line the error occurred on 
and noticed that the line that had the error used object references 
relative to the current stack (which the defaultStack was explicitly set 
to much prior).

My epiphany was realizing - for the first time, despite LiveCodeing 
since HyperCard and having a Masters in Computer Science and my entire 
career being in the IT/software development space for over 40 years - 
that when the 'wait 0 with messages' is executed, if there was a pending 
USER click on another window, the defaultStack could change and then the 
relative object references would not be able to find their target objects.

Perhaps I should have realized that a 'wait 0 with messages' COULD 
result in the defaultStack changing much sooner OR perhaps I should 
always fully qualify all object references (which I have been doing for 
quite a few years, but this was old code), but it is a 'gotcha' of using 
wait with messages I had never thought of.

The Dictionary Entry (LC 9.6.8) does state "If the wait..with messages 
form is used, LiveCode continues normal processing during the wait. The 
current handler is frozen, but the user can start other handlers and 
perform other actions such as switching cards." and 'switching cards' 
does imply changing the context of relative object references even if 
the defaultStack does not change, so perhaps I should have realized, but 
didn't until just last week.

Now I am very curious about exactly what wait 0 with messages does and 
also about what actions change the defaultStack. Does anyone know of an 
article or something someone has done to identify all the messages, 
commands, or functions that change (or potentially change) the defaultStack?





From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Aug  1 16:08:30 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2022 20:08:30 +0000
Subject: wait 0 with messages (and the defaultStack)
In-Reply-To: <4187625e-70c0-4873-05b9-78681c875c8f@researchware.com>
References: <1cae43a6-063a-8243-cee2-cbf8e3b45e47@researchware.com>
 <4187625e-70c0-4873-05b9-78681c875c8f@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <2DBED7E7-0692-4E1C-88FA-7A8396BE4017@iotecdigital.com>

It's my understanding that wait allows idle messages from the engine to be sent. When that happens, any send in time messages are processed. Wait with messages allows any other messages including engine messages to be processed. 

For instance, I have a FindBar object that uses wait 1 second with messages in a keyDown handler so that as the user continues to type the keystrokes can be processed. If the user pauses for 1 or more seconds, the code that performs the find is triggered, and then I exit to top to prevent any more unnecessary processing (otherwise the loop would keep going until all the keystrokes were processed). 

Bob S


> On Aug 1, 2022, at 12:43 , Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Now I am very curious about exactly what wait 0 with messages does and also about what actions change the defaultStack. Does anyone know of an article or something someone has done to identify all the messages, commands, or functions that change (or potentially change) the defaultStack?



From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Aug  1 16:16:24 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2022 20:16:24 +0000
Subject: wait 0 with messages (and the defaultStack)
In-Reply-To: <4187625e-70c0-4873-05b9-78681c875c8f@researchware.com>
References: <1cae43a6-063a-8243-cee2-cbf8e3b45e47@researchware.com>
 <4187625e-70c0-4873-05b9-78681c875c8f@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <C9E6D818-C65F-4B08-9037-8103431CF6C1@iotecdigital.com>

As my application(s) became more complex, I also ran into topstack and curentcard issues. As a result, I am in the habit now of either using "of me" appended to every command of in a card or stack script, or else sending the long id of an object to a command or function that is not in the message path. 

For instance, if I am processing all the fields on a card, I put the handler in the card script and then use the form 'field "myField" of me' to reference each field. Even better, if I reference the object repeatedly I will 'put the long id of <object reference> of me' into a variable initially, then use the variable as a reference. 

Bob S


> On Aug 1, 2022, at 12:43 , Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> The Dictionary Entry (LC 9.6.8) does state "If the wait..with messages form is used, LiveCode continues normal processing during the wait. The current handler is frozen, but the user can start other handlers and perform other actions such as switching cards." and 'switching cards' does imply changing the context of relative object references even if the defaultStack does not change, so perhaps I should have realized, but didn't until just last week.



From paul at researchware.com  Mon Aug  1 16:25:08 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2022 16:25:08 -0400
Subject: wait 0 with messages (and the defaultStack)
In-Reply-To: <C9E6D818-C65F-4B08-9037-8103431CF6C1@iotecdigital.com>
References: <1cae43a6-063a-8243-cee2-cbf8e3b45e47@researchware.com>
 <4187625e-70c0-4873-05b9-78681c875c8f@researchware.com>
 <C9E6D818-C65F-4B08-9037-8103431CF6C1@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <f8be6d7d-d702-8a95-4fab-8d56b94d9b80@researchware.com>

Yea, a number of years ago, I went to always fully qualifying object 
references through all the techniques you mentioned, but we've just not 
had a chance to scrub the entire code base (100,000 lines+) and so this 
one got missed until now.

We're now going through the entire code base to catch any last cases 
where object references could be in error due to any wait with messages 
statements (combined with user actions).


On 8/1/2022 4:16 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
> As my application(s) became more complex, I also ran into topstack and curentcard issues. As a result, I am in the habit now of either using "of me" appended to every command of in a card or stack script, or else sending the long id of an object to a command or function that is not in the message path.
>
> For instance, if I am processing all the fields on a card, I put the handler in the card script and then use the form 'field "myField" of me' to reference each field. Even better, if I reference the object repeatedly I will 'put the long id of <object reference> of me' into a variable initially, then use the variable as a reference.
>
> Bob S
>
>
>> On Aug 1, 2022, at 12:43 , Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> The Dictionary Entry (LC 9.6.8) does state "If the wait..with messages form is used, LiveCode continues normal processing during the wait. The current handler is frozen, but the user can start other handlers and perform other actions such as switching cards." and 'switching cards' does imply changing the context of relative object references even if the defaultStack does not change, so perhaps I should have realized, but didn't until just last week.
>
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From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Wed Aug  3 09:10:55 2022
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2022 15:10:55 +0200
Subject: Is Livecode (the company) closed for holiday?
Message-ID: <F1F5BD95-9A3F-424C-B75D-D0A268F16C18@m-r-d.de>

Hi,

does anyone know if Livecode Ltd. is closed for holiday or so?

I am just wondering, my Pro Support request is not answered since Friday and no one can be reached by phone.

Regards,

Matthias



From sean at pidigital.co.uk  Wed Aug  3 09:36:19 2022
From: sean at pidigital.co.uk (Sean Cole)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2022 14:36:19 +0100
Subject: Dispatch
Message-ID: <CABRqQSSw4os6_WO87g=WPpstfuRZ6T8rKZa_qaWGPjWyTS4nrw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,
I've been thinking about the command 'dispatch'. Is there any
advantage/disadvantage in using it over just calling your handler?
Thanks
Sean

From craig at starfirelighting.com  Wed Aug  3 10:30:21 2022
From: craig at starfirelighting.com (Craig Newman)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2022 10:30:21 -0400
Subject: Dispatch
In-Reply-To: <CABRqQSSw4os6_WO87g=WPpstfuRZ6T8rKZa_qaWGPjWyTS4nrw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABRqQSSw4os6_WO87g=WPpstfuRZ6T8rKZa_qaWGPjWyTS4nrw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D5EE7348-BE69-4C68-BAC5-B22929659DFF@starfirelighting.com>

Hi.

“Send” and “Dispatch” do much the same thing, but they do differ in how they interact with the message patch. They also each include their own personal gadgetry that comes in handy in different scenarios. Read about both in the dictionary, and do some experimentation with both.

Craig

> On Aug 3, 2022, at 9:36 AM, Sean Cole via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> I've been thinking about the command 'dispatch'. Is there any
> advantage/disadvantage in using it over just calling your handler?
> Thanks
> Sean
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Aug  3 11:23:20 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2022 15:23:20 +0000
Subject: Dispatch
In-Reply-To: <D5EE7348-BE69-4C68-BAC5-B22929659DFF@starfirelighting.com>
References: <CABRqQSSw4os6_WO87g=WPpstfuRZ6T8rKZa_qaWGPjWyTS4nrw@mail.gmail.com>
 <D5EE7348-BE69-4C68-BAC5-B22929659DFF@starfirelighting.com>
Message-ID: <0C81E366-8423-4A8C-87DA-43AE7D11A39A@iotecdigital.com>

Send allows you to send in time. However the command or function must exist or you will throw an error. Dispatch cannot use send in time, but if a handler does not exist in the message path of the object you dispatch to, no error will be thrown. 

This can come in handy. Let's say you have assigned a behavior in all your fields, but in a few of your fields you have a special handler called Cleanup. You can then, 'dispatch "cleanup" to me' in any handler in the behavior. The fields that have the cleanup handler will get the message. The ones that don't will not throw an error. 

Bob S


> On Aug 3, 2022, at 07:30 , Craig Newman via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> On Aug 3, 2022, at 9:36 AM, Sean Cole via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> I've been thinking about the command 'dispatch'. Is there any
>> advantage/disadvantage in using it over just calling your handler?
>> Thanks
>> Sean



From sean at pidigital.co.uk  Wed Aug  3 11:27:04 2022
From: sean at pidigital.co.uk (Sean Cole)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2022 16:27:04 +0100
Subject: Dispatch
In-Reply-To: <D5EE7348-BE69-4C68-BAC5-B22929659DFF@starfirelighting.com>
References: <CABRqQSSw4os6_WO87g=WPpstfuRZ6T8rKZa_qaWGPjWyTS4nrw@mail.gmail.com>
 <D5EE7348-BE69-4C68-BAC5-B22929659DFF@starfirelighting.com>
Message-ID: <CABRqQSQ6oY8icZCEbRnzGmtgF2fWSWi0kdW84Aay=FNr_ji4UA@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Craig,
I was particularly asking if there was any 'advantage/disadvantage' in using

dispatch myHandler with myVar

over just using

myHandler

The dictionary defines its advantages for use with behaviours and that it
returns in the 'it' variable if the message was handled or not - useful
even when not used with behaviours in some cases I could imagine.

However, I wondered if anyone else had already done the experimentation as
to the dis/advantages of the above. Just making use of the community :)
Sean

On Wed, 3 Aug 2022 at 15:30, Craig Newman via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi.
>
> “Send” and “Dispatch” do much the same thing, but they do differ in how
> they interact with the message patch. They also each include their own
> personal gadgetry that comes in handy in different scenarios. Read about
> both in the dictionary, and do some experimentation with both.
>
> Craig
>
> > On Aug 3, 2022, at 9:36 AM, Sean Cole via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> > I've been thinking about the command 'dispatch'. Is there any
> > advantage/disadvantage in using it over just calling your handler?
> > Thanks
> > Sean
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Aug  3 11:27:33 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2022 15:27:33 +0000
Subject: Dispatch
In-Reply-To: <0C81E366-8423-4A8C-87DA-43AE7D11A39A@iotecdigital.com>
References: <CABRqQSSw4os6_WO87g=WPpstfuRZ6T8rKZa_qaWGPjWyTS4nrw@mail.gmail.com>
 <D5EE7348-BE69-4C68-BAC5-B22929659DFF@starfirelighting.com>
 <0C81E366-8423-4A8C-87DA-43AE7D11A39A@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <28DF53EE-8854-4CD2-AE17-95D821551FE0@iotecdigital.com>

That should read, "Dispatch cannot use 'in time'"

> On Aug 3, 2022, at 08:23 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Dispatch cannot use send in time



From heather at livecode.com  Wed Aug  3 11:31:10 2022
From: heather at livecode.com (Heather Laine)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2022 16:31:10 +0100
Subject: Is Livecode (the company) closed for holiday?
In-Reply-To: <F1F5BD95-9A3F-424C-B75D-D0A268F16C18@m-r-d.de>
References: <F1F5BD95-9A3F-424C-B75D-D0A268F16C18@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <536B753A-698F-450A-81F0-872BE2DD1E31@livecode.com>

We are open. Yesterday was a bank holiday in Scotland yes. We don't work at weekends. I have a fair bit to catch up on and I'm not at my usual desk owing to some family issues hence cannot answer the phone. I see your ticket and it is going to get a response very shortly... I am nearing it in the queue.

:)

Best Regards,

Heather

Heather Laine
Customer Services Manager
LiveCode Ltd
www.livecode.com



> On 3 Aug 2022, at 14:10, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> does anyone know if Livecode Ltd. is closed for holiday or so?
> 
> I am just wondering, my Pro Support request is not answered since Friday and no one can be reached by phone.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Matthias
> 
> 
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From heather at livecode.com  Wed Aug  3 11:33:32 2022
From: heather at livecode.com (Heather Laine)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2022 16:33:32 +0100
Subject: Is Livecode (the company) closed for holiday?
In-Reply-To: <536B753A-698F-450A-81F0-872BE2DD1E31@livecode.com>
References: <F1F5BD95-9A3F-424C-B75D-D0A268F16C18@m-r-d.de>
 <536B753A-698F-450A-81F0-872BE2DD1E31@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <F4DEB1FA-571B-4A3D-B6DB-2846D730BEB3@livecode.com>

*Monday was a bank holiday. I see that today is Wednesday so my comment that yesterday was a bank holiday was erroneous. It was Tuesday. As previously mentioned, I am working around some family issues and there is a fair bit of support to catch up on.

Best Regards,

Heather

Heather Laine
Customer Services Manager
LiveCode Ltd
www.livecode.com



> On 3 Aug 2022, at 16:31, Heather Laine via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> We are open. Yesterday was a bank holiday in Scotland yes. We don't work at weekends. I have a fair bit to catch up on and I'm not at my usual desk owing to some family issues hence cannot answer the phone. I see your ticket and it is going to get a response very shortly... I am nearing it in the queue.
> 
> :)
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Heather
> 
> Heather Laine
> Customer Services Manager
> LiveCode Ltd
> www.livecode.com
> 
> 
> 
>> On 3 Aug 2022, at 14:10, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> does anyone know if Livecode Ltd. is closed for holiday or so?
>> 
>> I am just wondering, my Pro Support request is not answered since Friday and no one can be reached by phone.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Matthias
>> 
>> 
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From sean at pidigital.co.uk  Wed Aug  3 11:38:15 2022
From: sean at pidigital.co.uk (Sean Cole)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2022 16:38:15 +0100
Subject: Dispatch
In-Reply-To: <0C81E366-8423-4A8C-87DA-43AE7D11A39A@iotecdigital.com>
References: <CABRqQSSw4os6_WO87g=WPpstfuRZ6T8rKZa_qaWGPjWyTS4nrw@mail.gmail.com>
 <D5EE7348-BE69-4C68-BAC5-B22929659DFF@starfirelighting.com>
 <0C81E366-8423-4A8C-87DA-43AE7D11A39A@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CABRqQSR+wGkZehm1L6UoA4h9R0uxjBG_76wTL8yPgkbAZHHcMw@mail.gmail.com>

Awesome Bob,
Thanks for the info. That is really helpful. I often use 'try' to catch
incidents where things trip over, but this might just be more useful and
perform slightly better going forward.

Are there any other tips for its use?

Sean


On Wed, 3 Aug 2022 at 16:23, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Send allows you to send in time. However the command or function must
> exist or you will throw an error. Dispatch cannot use send in time, but if
> a handler does not exist in the message path of the object you dispatch to,
> no error will be thrown.
>
> This can come in handy. Let's say you have assigned a behavior in all your
> fields, but in a few of your fields you have a special handler called
> Cleanup. You can then, 'dispatch "cleanup" to me' in any handler in the
> behavior. The fields that have the cleanup handler will get the message.
> The ones that don't will not throw an error.
>
> Bob S
>
>
> > On Aug 3, 2022, at 07:30 , Craig Newman via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Aug 3, 2022, at 9:36 AM, Sean Cole via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi all,
> >> I've been thinking about the command 'dispatch'. Is there any
> >> advantage/disadvantage in using it over just calling your handler?
> >> Thanks
> >> Sean
>
>
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From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Wed Aug  3 11:42:02 2022
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2022 17:42:02 +0200
Subject: Is Livecode (the company) closed for holiday?
In-Reply-To: <F4DEB1FA-571B-4A3D-B6DB-2846D730BEB3@livecode.com>
References: <F1F5BD95-9A3F-424C-B75D-D0A268F16C18@m-r-d.de>
 <536B753A-698F-450A-81F0-872BE2DD1E31@livecode.com>
 <F4DEB1FA-571B-4A3D-B6DB-2846D730BEB3@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <3D0E41E9-5E79-42E3-8036-792FFB1186F7@m-r-d.de>

Hello Heather,
thanks for your reply. That explains it.

All the best for you family issues.

Regards,

Matthias

> Am 03.08.2022 um 17:33 schrieb Heather Laine via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> *Monday was a bank holiday. I see that today is Wednesday so my comment that yesterday was a bank holiday was erroneous. It was Tuesday. As previously mentioned, I am working around some family issues and there is a fair bit of support to catch up on.
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Heather
> 
> Heather Laine
> Customer Services Manager
> LiveCode Ltd
> www.livecode.com
> 
> 
> 
>> On 3 Aug 2022, at 16:31, Heather Laine via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> We are open. Yesterday was a bank holiday in Scotland yes. We don't work at weekends. I have a fair bit to catch up on and I'm not at my usual desk owing to some family issues hence cannot answer the phone. I see your ticket and it is going to get a response very shortly... I am nearing it in the queue.
>> 
>> :)
>> 
>> Best Regards,
>> 
>> Heather
>> 
>> Heather Laine
>> Customer Services Manager
>> LiveCode Ltd
>> www.livecode.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 3 Aug 2022, at 14:10, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> does anyone know if Livecode Ltd. is closed for holiday or so?
>>> 
>>> I am just wondering, my Pro Support request is not answered since Friday and no one can be reached by phone.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Matthias
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> 
>> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Aug  3 11:43:28 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2022 15:43:28 +0000
Subject: Is Livecode (the company) closed for holiday?
In-Reply-To: <F4DEB1FA-571B-4A3D-B6DB-2846D730BEB3@livecode.com>
References: <F1F5BD95-9A3F-424C-B75D-D0A268F16C18@m-r-d.de>
 <536B753A-698F-450A-81F0-872BE2DD1E31@livecode.com>
 <F4DEB1FA-571B-4A3D-B6DB-2846D730BEB3@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <FD0A9B9D-376C-494A-938F-9020E1454D24@iotecdigital.com>

All my prayers. 

Bob S


> On Aug 3, 2022, at 08:33 , Heather Laine via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> *Monday was a bank holiday. I see that today is Wednesday so my comment that yesterday was a bank holiday was erroneous. It was Tuesday. As previously mentioned, I am working around some family issues and there is a fair bit of support to catch up on.
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Heather
> 
> Heather Laine



From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Wed Aug  3 11:53:06 2022
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2022 08:53:06 -0700
Subject: Dispatch
In-Reply-To: <CABRqQSSw4os6_WO87g=WPpstfuRZ6T8rKZa_qaWGPjWyTS4nrw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABRqQSSw4os6_WO87g=WPpstfuRZ6T8rKZa_qaWGPjWyTS4nrw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <79446712-559b-9177-ea02-26eacaadc37a@sonic.net>

On 8/3/22 06:36, Sean Cole via use-livecode wrote:
> Hi all,
> I've been thinking about the command 'dispatch'. Is there any
> advantage/disadvantage in using it over just calling your handler?

If you can invoke a command/function directly then for the most part 
there's no real advantage in using dispatch.

I never use send anymore unless I need send a message in time.
I do use dispatch extensively, mostly for two reasons.

One, if I'm calling a handler in a different object that is outside the 
normal message path then I'll dispatch the handler to that object rather 
than using send. One caveat: note that the dispatch command returns a 
three-state value: "handled", "unhandled", and "passed". So on checking 
the return value I use "if it it not unhandled then...". The advantage 
is that there's no runtime error if the command isn't caught, at the 
slight disadvantage of having to check whether it was handled.

The second case where I use dispatch is as a form of publish/subscribe: 
dispatching a command without a receiver object sends the command along 
the message path where it can be handled/passed by any object along the 
way. Or not. Mostly in this paradigm I don't need or want to check the 
return value because it's irrelevant to the sender whether or not the 
message was handled.

The dispatch command can also be useful for feature management. Dispatch 
a command down the message path, and if the given feature is enabled 
then the command will be handled. If not then there's no downside to 
calling the feature because it won't cause a runtime error.


-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com


From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net  Wed Aug  3 12:14:49 2022
From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2022 12:14:49 -0400
Subject: Is Livecode (the company) closed for holiday?
In-Reply-To: <FD0A9B9D-376C-494A-938F-9020E1454D24@iotecdigital.com>
References: <F1F5BD95-9A3F-424C-B75D-D0A268F16C18@m-r-d.de>
 <536B753A-698F-450A-81F0-872BE2DD1E31@livecode.com>
 <F4DEB1FA-571B-4A3D-B6DB-2846D730BEB3@livecode.com>
 <FD0A9B9D-376C-494A-938F-9020E1454D24@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <005201d8a754$2b458f20$81d0ad60$@net>

+1

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services


-----Original Message-----
From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf
Of Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2022 11:43 AM
To: How to use LiveCode
Cc: Bob Sneidar
Subject: Re: Is Livecode (the company) closed for holiday?

All my prayers. 

Bob S


> On Aug 3, 2022, at 08:33 , Heather Laine via use-livecode
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> *Monday was a bank holiday. I see that today is Wednesday so my comment
that yesterday was a bank holiday was erroneous. It was Tuesday. As
previously mentioned, I am working around some family issues and there is a
fair bit of support to catch up on.
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Heather
> 
> Heather Laine


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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Aug  3 12:14:47 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2022 16:14:47 +0000
Subject: Dispatch
In-Reply-To: <79446712-559b-9177-ea02-26eacaadc37a@sonic.net>
References: <CABRqQSSw4os6_WO87g=WPpstfuRZ6T8rKZa_qaWGPjWyTS4nrw@mail.gmail.com>
 <79446712-559b-9177-ea02-26eacaadc37a@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <55AF53BA-B023-4E4E-BB28-A8885F5C420B@iotecdigital.com>

One correction. If a value is returned by the handler that was called, the result will be that value. 

Bob S


> On Aug 3, 2022, at 08:53 , Mark Wieder via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> One, if I'm calling a handler in a different object that is outside the normal message path then I'll dispatch the handler to that object rather than using send. One caveat: note that the dispatch command returns a three-state value: "handled", "unhandled", and "passed". So on checking the return value I use "if it it not unhandled then...". The advantage is that there's no runtime error if the command isn't caught, at the slight disadvantage of having to check whether it was handled.



From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Wed Aug  3 12:25:44 2022
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2022 09:25:44 -0700
Subject: Dispatch
In-Reply-To: <55AF53BA-B023-4E4E-BB28-A8885F5C420B@iotecdigital.com>
References: <CABRqQSSw4os6_WO87g=WPpstfuRZ6T8rKZa_qaWGPjWyTS4nrw@mail.gmail.com>
 <79446712-559b-9177-ea02-26eacaadc37a@sonic.net>
 <55AF53BA-B023-4E4E-BB28-A8885F5C420B@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <20a53b53-5a34-a550-ef1d-d5b216c7404f@sonic.net>

On 8/3/22 09:14, Bob Sneidar wrote:
> One correction. If a value is returned by the handler that was called, the result will be that value.

Yeah - good catch. I meant to say the "it" value is three-state, not the 
"result".

dispatch someMessage
if it is not "unhandled" then...
or
if it is "passed" then...
or
if it is "handled" then...

and note that you can dispatch functions as well a commands, and the 
return value of the function will be in the result if "it" is not 
"unhandled".


-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com


From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net  Wed Aug  3 12:56:28 2022
From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2022 12:56:28 -0400
Subject: Dispatch / Send / Wait with/without Messages
In-Reply-To: <55AF53BA-B023-4E4E-BB28-A8885F5C420B@iotecdigital.com>
References: <CABRqQSSw4os6_WO87g=WPpstfuRZ6T8rKZa_qaWGPjWyTS4nrw@mail.gmail.com>
 <79446712-559b-9177-ea02-26eacaadc37a@sonic.net>
 <55AF53BA-B023-4E4E-BB28-A8885F5C420B@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <005601d8a759$fc36d710$f4a48530$@net>

I'm having the same epiphany as Paul did below. The cornucopia of
flexibility(and gotchas) that LC's message path model provides using:
1) Standard issue calling of commands and functions.
2) Engine messages
3) Send (optionally in time)
4) Dispatch
5) Wait in time with/without messages
6) exit to top

And any others that I left out or don't know about can do things that I
never could have imagined when I first found LC. Although I use all the
above there's probably combinations I can't wrap my head around without more
info. This would be a great as a dedicated chapter in a book and/or a Dr
Mark W symposium followed by Q&A at the next RR Live. There seems to be a
lot of app power/error prevention in the message path gold. For a newbie the
LCs message path gold would be very attractive if it was only well
documented and advertised.

My 2 cents...

Now back to changing some "wait with messages" to plain old waits to prevent
users from clicking and getting my code into trouble now-and-again.

Thanks to all on the list for this info!!!

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdimola at evergreeninfo.net


-----Original Message-----
From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf
Of Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2022 12:15 PM
To: How to use LiveCode
Cc: Bob Sneidar
Subject: Re: Dispatch

One correction. If a value is returned by the handler that was called, the
result will be that value. 

Bob S


> On Aug 3, 2022, at 08:53 , Mark Wieder via use-livecode
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> One, if I'm calling a handler in a different object that is outside the
normal message path then I'll dispatch the handler to that object rather
than using send. One caveat: note that the dispatch command returns a
three-state value: "handled", "unhandled", and "passed". So on checking the
return value I use "if it it not unhandled then...". The advantage is that
there's no runtime error if the command isn't caught, at the slight
disadvantage of having to check whether it was handled.


On 7/30/2022 3:53 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
> My understanding of 'wait 0 with messages' is that it will cause any 
> pending messages, that are not scheduled for a time later than the 
> current time, in the pendingMessages queue to be processed before 
> continuing. Messages later than the current time (when the statement 
> is executed) will not be processed (yet).
>
> Is this correct?
>

First, than you to those that have responded.

The reason I got curious about 'wait 0 with messages' (or even just 'wait
0') is because of an epiphany I had just last week regarding a bug a
customer reported in our software. The customer experienced and execution
error and our software presents a custom dialog that allows them to email
out support account some information, including the 'executionContexts' so
we have some code debugging information.

The problem as a 'can't find object' error. In reviewing the code, I could
see no way that the error should have occurred. The code was using the
ChartMaker library to create a graph. It all looked good per documentation
and we could not reproduce the error in house. I then noticed a 'wait 0 with
messages' prior to the line the error occurred on and noticed that the line
that had the error used object references relative to the current stack
(which the defaultStack was explicitly set to much prior).

My epiphany was realizing - for the first time, despite LiveCodeing since
HyperCard and having a Masters in Computer Science and my entire career
being in the IT/software development space for over 40 years - that when the
'wait 0 with messages' is executed, if there was a pending USER click on
another window, the defaultStack could change and then the relative object
references would not be able to find their target objects.

Perhaps I should have realized that a 'wait 0 with messages' COULD result in
the defaultStack changing much sooner OR perhaps I should always fully
qualify all object references (which I have been doing for quite a few
years, but this was old code), but it is a 'gotcha' of using wait with
messages I had never thought of.

The Dictionary Entry (LC 9.6.8) does state "If the wait..with messages form
is used, LiveCode continues normal processing during the wait. The current
handler is frozen, but the user can start other handlers and perform other
actions such as switching cards." and 'switching cards' 
does imply changing the context of relative object references even if the
defaultStack does not change, so perhaps I should have realized, but didn't
until just last week.

Now I am very curious about exactly what wait 0 with messages does and also
about what actions change the defaultStack. Does anyone know of an article
or something someone has done to identify all the messages, commands, or
functions that change (or potentially change) the defaultStack?



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From dfe4 at cornell.edu  Wed Aug  3 14:13:27 2022
From: dfe4 at cornell.edu (David Epstein)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2022 14:13:27 -0400
Subject: Is there a way to create a generic setprop handler?
References: <4E830440-7E96-4968-966D-D678573A4622@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4B96778D-8A8A-454C-A9B5-4A115BC1AFA1@cornell.edu>

Control “A” has many custom properties that are set by a variety of other controls.  If Control “A” has a "setProp property1” handler, it can react when property1 gets set.  But is there a way to give Control “A” a general handler that will be triggered whenever any of its custom properties is set?

David Epstein



From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Aug  3 14:36:51 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2022 18:36:51 +0000
Subject: Is there a way to create a generic setprop handler?
In-Reply-To: <4B96778D-8A8A-454C-A9B5-4A115BC1AFA1@cornell.edu>
References: <4E830440-7E96-4968-966D-D678573A4622@comcast.net>
 <4B96778D-8A8A-454C-A9B5-4A115BC1AFA1@cornell.edu>
Message-ID: <D1BBE313-F72A-48CF-A295-E71535D888AD@iotecdigital.com>

If I understand you then no. The only thing I would suggest is to use dispatch to trigger the "general handler" in all of your virtual properties (custom property is not the right phrase when referring to getProp/setProp). 

Bob S


> On Aug 3, 2022, at 11:13 , David Epstein via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Control “A” has many custom properties that are set by a variety of other controls.  If Control “A” has a "setProp property1” handler, it can react when property1 gets set.  But is there a way to give Control “A” a general handler that will be triggered whenever any of its custom properties is set?
> 
> David Epstein


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Aug  3 14:49:47 2022
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2022 11:49:47 -0700
Subject: Dispatch
In-Reply-To: <CABRqQSQ6oY8icZCEbRnzGmtgF2fWSWi0kdW84Aay=FNr_ji4UA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABRqQSQ6oY8icZCEbRnzGmtgF2fWSWi0kdW84Aay=FNr_ji4UA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <486e9c51-d82b-c069-44b9-ad1f0fd61a08@fourthworld.com>

Sean Cole write:

 > I was particularly asking if there was any 'advantage/disadvantage'
 > in using
 >
 >  dispatch myHandler with myVar
 >
 > over just using
 >
 >  myHandler


In coding as in life, when in doubt leave it out.

If something isn't needed it's usually simplest to not go out of your 
way to add it.

The message path is fine.

It works reliably, and with as much efficiency as the team can throw at 
it. In most cases it's not only the easiest thing to type and the most 
efficient to execute, its simplicity and predictability also aid 
debugging and maintenance.

For those times when you need an exception to the message path, LC 
provides many.  Send, do, call, dispatch, etc. - each has their own 
unique set of tradeoffs that make it a good fit for the specific 
circumstance where the native message path isn't what you need.

But those are for exceptional circumstances.

The native message path is the norm of this language.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Aug  3 15:28:10 2022
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2022 12:28:10 -0700
Subject: Is there a way to create a generic setprop handler?
In-Reply-To: <4B96778D-8A8A-454C-A9B5-4A115BC1AFA1@cornell.edu>
References: <4B96778D-8A8A-454C-A9B5-4A115BC1AFA1@cornell.edu>
Message-ID: <7293bb11-f5fa-4849-929f-cafca6063330@fourthworld.com>

David Epstein wrote:

 > Control A has many custom properties that are set by a variety
 > of other controls.  If Control A has a "setProp property1
 > handler, it can react when property1 gets set.  But is there a
 > way to give Control A a general handler that will be triggered
 > whenever any of its custom properties is set?

I don't know of a way to trap getProp and setProp generically, and that 
may not be bad since it would affect the performance of all custom 
property access, whether it's the subset of properties you're interested 
in or not.

An alternative could be to put the properties you want custom handling 
for into a custom property set of their own, e.g.:

    getPRop uPropSet[pKey]
       put the params
    end uPropSet

    on mouseUp
       get the uPropSet["key1"] of me
    end mouseUp

...puts this in the Message Box:

    uPropSet "key1"

This will allow open-ended trapping of property keys, but limited in 
scope to the set you need that for.


A word of caution with dependency on getProp and setProp:

Those messages are subject to suspension during lockMessages, which may 
be exactly what you want, or may have unintended side effects that can 
be maddening to track down if you don't keep that in mind.

Using getProp and setProp requires review of your code base, including 
any third-party libraries, which may lock messages so you can evaluate 
the implications for your circumstance.


If you need consistently reliable ways to trigger custom evaluation 
consider accessor handlers instead.  LockMessages only prevents system 
messages; calling a custom handler is not affected by lockMessages.

Examples:

-- Using an object as the value container:
on SetMyProp pKey, pVal
    set the uPropSet[pKey] of <someobject> to pVal
end SetMyProp

function GetMyProp pKey
   return the uPropSet[pKey] of <someObject>
end GetMyProp


-- Using an array variable as the value container:
on SetMyProp pKey, pVal
    put pVal into sPropVarA[pKey]
end SetMyProp

function GetMyProp pKey
   return sPropVarA[pKey]
end GetMyProp



-- Usage for either storage method:

on mouseUp
   SetMyProp "key1", "val1"
end mouseUp

on mouseUp
   put GetMyProp("key1") into fld 1
end mouseUp



Fun: If you abstract data access using normal custom handlers, you have 
one-stop-shopping to change the storage mechanism.  If you don't need 
persistence across sessions a variable may do, and if you need 
persistence you can store in an object whose stackfile gets saved, or 
encode the array variable and save that to disk, or use a local 
database, or even use any form of remote storage across the internet if 
you like -- all by updating just two handlers.


-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com


From dfe4 at cornell.edu  Wed Aug  3 18:08:48 2022
From: dfe4 at cornell.edu (David Epstein)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2022 18:08:48 -0400
Subject: Chart widget question
Message-ID: <B07133DD-E92C-4291-A308-47680501DF6E@cornell.edu>

Using LC 10 dp2, I am trying to script the creation of a chart widget.  

My command “create widget myName as chart in group myMain” creates only a small gray box.  

The LC command “New Widget/Chart” creates a line chart, ready to be modified.  What is the LC command doing that I am not?

Or:  how do I find the script that LC runs when the “New Widget/Chart” command is chosen?

David Epstein

From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Wed Aug  3 18:58:32 2022
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2022 00:58:32 +0200
Subject: Chart widget question
In-Reply-To: <B07133DD-E92C-4291-A308-47680501DF6E@cornell.edu>
References: <B07133DD-E92C-4291-A308-47680501DF6E@cornell.edu>
Message-ID: <38E3ED19-48AF-42D4-AEAA-7EC32216087A@m-r-d.de>

I have here only DP4 to test.

Don't you have to use com.livecode.widget.chart as widgetkind?

With
create widget "myChart" as "com.livecode.widget.chart"

set the width of last widget to 250

set the height of last widget to 250


i was able to create a chart. 

Regards,
Matthias


> Am 04.08.2022 um 00:08 schrieb David Epstein via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Using LC 10 dp2, I am trying to script the creation of a chart widget.  
> 
> My command “create widget myName as chart in group myMain” creates only a small gray box.  
> 
> The LC command “New Widget/Chart” creates a line chart, ready to be modified.  What is the LC command doing that I am not?
> 
> Or:  how do I find the script that LC runs when the “New Widget/Chart” command is chosen?
> 
> David Epstein
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From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Fri Aug  5 12:32:42 2022
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2022 12:32:42 -0400
Subject: megabundle thoughts
Message-ID: <CADCoycP1-8wwU3L4VEw3t39NJGjsnMR-+K7bzM6FW5m94C5sMg@mail.gmail.com>

i have not seen much discussion of the megabundle, especially about the
widgets, etc.
i'm not sure if it's worth the $.
thoughts?

-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."

From paul at researchware.com  Fri Aug  5 12:51:04 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2022 12:51:04 -0400
Subject: megabundle thoughts
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycP1-8wwU3L4VEw3t39NJGjsnMR-+K7bzM6FW5m94C5sMg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycP1-8wwU3L4VEw3t39NJGjsnMR-+K7bzM6FW5m94C5sMg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <310fafe6-4ac1-ef87-f1e0-0c9861928ce9@researchware.com>

On 8/5/2022 12:32 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode wrote:
> i have not seen much discussion of the megabundle, especially about the
> widgets, etc.
> i'm not sure if it's worth the $.
> thoughts?
>

I think the widgets are great additions to Livecode. That said, I have 
not purchased the MegaBundle. My Livecode commercial/business/whatever 
license is paid out to something like 2023 or 2024 due to past fund 
raising where the mothership offered license extensions as part of the 
packages in those efforts. I am licensed for all platforms, with the 
professional extensions, so I don't need any more platforms and I really 
don't need my license extended or any store credits. If there had been a 
bundle offering that was JUST the extra widgets and stuff without an LC 
license stuff bundled in, I would have bought one.

I don't like to get too far ahead of LC licensing. After all I could get 
hit by the proverbial bus tomorrow and having 2 years or prepaid LC 
licensing would go to waste (for me at least).

So, I think it is worth the $ if you need additional platforms and/or 
your license extended (if it is about to expire in, say, another 15 
months or less). It may not be worth the $ if you are all set for the 
next couple of years on LC licensing itself.


From alex at tweedly.net  Fri Aug  5 13:34:53 2022
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2022 18:34:53 +0100
Subject: megabundle thoughts
In-Reply-To: <310fafe6-4ac1-ef87-f1e0-0c9861928ce9@researchware.com>
References: <CADCoycP1-8wwU3L4VEw3t39NJGjsnMR-+K7bzM6FW5m94C5sMg@mail.gmail.com>
 <310fafe6-4ac1-ef87-f1e0-0c9861928ce9@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <85ca8d9e-3e9d-797f-8673-6fe89eb264b9@tweedly.net>

I kind of agree with Paul (though I ame to the opposite conclusion).

Once I discounted the items I'd already paid for (conferences, courses, 
books, etc.) and the multi-year future licensing already paid, the value 
of the megabundle shrank from "amazing" to "pretty good".

I decided to go ahead anyway (so I now have a $300 or $399 voucher that 
I may never get to use).


But about the widgets ....

I am very impressed by the PolyList widget; it lets you make 
sophisticated looking lists, including multi-column ones, very easy; I 
always disliked the fact that DataGrid couldn't do multi-column. I do 
think it needs, and will get, improvements (for example, I'd like to see 
a graphic UI to specify dataLayout - the current way seems kind of 
late-80's-ish :-)

Polygrid looks like it could be useful in the right place - haven't used 
it yet.

Responsive layout - seems like a great addition - I look forward to 
trying it out, but haven't got there yet.

Haven't yet investigated the others. I think they could all do with 
better documentation and examples, so I'm really waiting for a tutorial 
or blog from Steven before I dive into each :-)

Oh - and last thought - they could *really* do with a better release / 
version system, but that should resolve itself over time.

Alex.


On 05/08/2022 17:51, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
> On 8/5/2022 12:32 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode wrote:
>> i have not seen much discussion of the megabundle, especially about the
>> widgets, etc.
>> i'm not sure if it's worth the $.
>> thoughts?
>>
>
> I think the widgets are great additions to Livecode. That said, I have 
> not purchased the MegaBundle. My Livecode commercial/business/whatever 
> license is paid out to something like 2023 or 2024 due to past fund 
> raising where the mothership offered license extensions as part of the 
> packages in those efforts. I am licensed for all platforms, with the 
> professional extensions, so I don't need any more platforms and I 
> really don't need my license extended or any store credits. If there 
> had been a bundle offering that was JUST the extra widgets and stuff 
> without an LC license stuff bundled in, I would have bought one.
>
> I don't like to get too far ahead of LC licensing. After all I could 
> get hit by the proverbial bus tomorrow and having 2 years or prepaid 
> LC licensing would go to waste (for me at least).
>
> So, I think it is worth the $ if you need additional platforms and/or 
> your license extended (if it is about to expire in, say, another 15 
> months or less). It may not be worth the $ if you are all set for the 
> next couple of years on LC licensing itself.
>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Aug  5 13:46:55 2022
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2022 12:46:55 -0500
Subject: megabundle thoughts
In-Reply-To: <85ca8d9e-3e9d-797f-8673-6fe89eb264b9@tweedly.net>
References: <CADCoycP1-8wwU3L4VEw3t39NJGjsnMR-+K7bzM6FW5m94C5sMg@mail.gmail.com>
 <310fafe6-4ac1-ef87-f1e0-0c9861928ce9@researchware.com>
 <85ca8d9e-3e9d-797f-8673-6fe89eb264b9@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <1826f1e02b0.27a5.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>

I'm with Paul. I don't need additional licensing but if the widgets go on 
sale separately later then I'm in.

--
Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
On August 5, 2022 12:36:22 PM Alex Tweedly via use-livecode 
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I kind of agree with Paul (though I ame to the opposite conclusion).




From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Fri Aug  5 15:19:10 2022
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2022 21:19:10 +0200
Subject: megabundle thoughts
In-Reply-To: <1826f1e02b0.27a5.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <CADCoycP1-8wwU3L4VEw3t39NJGjsnMR-+K7bzM6FW5m94C5sMg@mail.gmail.com>
 <310fafe6-4ac1-ef87-f1e0-0c9861928ce9@researchware.com>
 <85ca8d9e-3e9d-797f-8673-6fe89eb264b9@tweedly.net>
 <1826f1e02b0.27a5.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <D9F73AF3-7A42-4634-A4CA-6C96125EB35D@m-r-d.de>

I own a Lifetime commercial (Indy) license for all current and future platforms and a current subscription to upgrade my license to the Pro features with Email support.

There are 2 items in the bundle  i was interested in: the Email parser library and also the PolyGrid widget. The other stuff like the ebooks, conference videos and others i already own or i could upgrade much cheaper (Curry's libraries) through the LC shop.

And without the voucher, which has the same value as the Megabundle costs,  i would not have purchased the bundle.

But i have also a subscription for the script compiler, so i decided to purchase the bundle and use the voucher for the next payments for the Script compiler subscription.

So in my case i did not loose money, but got some really usefull widgets and libraries on top. I did not pay much attention for the other widgets and libraries, but must confess that the PolyList (formerl DataView) and also the ResponsiveLayout library are really great enhancements.
 
So in case you have a current subscription in your LC account and you do not plan to cancel that subscription in near future, the MegaBundle is a bargain. You pay your subscription costs in advance and get some really great enhancements for LC.


Matthias



> Am 05.08.2022 um 19:46 schrieb J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> I'm with Paul. I don't need additional licensing but if the widgets go on sale separately later then I'm in.
> 
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> On August 5, 2022 12:36:22 PM Alex Tweedly via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> I kind of agree with Paul (though I ame to the opposite conclusion).
> 
> 
> 
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From andreas.bergendal at gmail.com  Sat Aug  6 07:44:31 2022
From: andreas.bergendal at gmail.com (Andreas Bergendal)
Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2022 13:44:31 +0200
Subject: How to use addEventListener for browser window resizing in web
 deployment?
Message-ID: <18C945D8-A19E-45C7-8E67-26D31B038F1B@gmail.com>

Hi all,

So I’ve been experimenting with web deployment with LC 10 dp 4. Now I would like my stack to be able to react to resizeStack events when the browser window is resized by the user. Or to adapt to e.g. a mobile browser screen size.

For this, if I understand correctly, some javascript needs to be used. I’ve tried to piece together how to do that from these sources:
https://livecode.com/using-the-new-web-features-in-livecode-10-dp-1/

and Ali Lloyd’s cool WordLC app:
https://alilloyd.livecodehosting.com/wordlc/wordlc.html

where he uses window.addEventListener(”resize” […] etc in the html file to catch browser window resizing for the stack to react on. However, as I can’t see his LC script side of it, I fail to figure out the proper adaptation to my needs:

I want my stack to get, from javascript, the impulse that the browser window has changed its width/height and what the new width/height is, in order to trigger a normal resizeStack handler to deal with that.

Ideally, the javascript part of this should be included by LC in the standalone build, and I hope that’s what they plan at least when LC10 stable ships (seems logical), but in the meantime - can someone please help get the code right?

/Andreas

From harrison at all-auctions.com  Sat Aug  6 10:30:25 2022
From: harrison at all-auctions.com (harrison at all-auctions.com)
Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2022 10:30:25 -0400
Subject: How to use addEventListener for browser window resizing in web
 deployment?
In-Reply-To: <18C945D8-A19E-45C7-8E67-26D31B038F1B@gmail.com>
References: <18C945D8-A19E-45C7-8E67-26D31B038F1B@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9D2BC0B9-C30E-4B65-8540-A1B4F611A7A2@all-auctions.com>

Hi Andreas,

I have found the following website to be very helpful with a lot of my javascript projects.

Do you know about these guys?

https://www.w3schools.com/js/default.asp <https://www.w3schools.com/js/default.asp>

I hope that helps you.

Cheers,

Rick

> On Aug 6, 2022, at 7:44 AM, Andreas Bergendal via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> So I’ve been experimenting with web deployment with LC 10 dp 4. Now I would like my stack to be able to react to resizeStack events when the browser window is resized by the user. Or to adapt to e.g. a mobile browser screen size.
> 
> For this, if I understand correctly, some javascript needs to be used. I’ve tried to piece together how to do that from these sources:
> https://livecode.com/using-the-new-web-features-in-livecode-10-dp-1/
> 
> and Ali Lloyd’s cool WordLC app:
> https://alilloyd.livecodehosting.com/wordlc/wordlc.html
> 
> where he uses window.addEventListener(”resize” […] etc in the html file to catch browser window resizing for the stack to react on. However, as I can’t see his LC script side of it, I fail to figure out the proper adaptation to my needs:
> 
> I want my stack to get, from javascript, the impulse that the browser window has changed its width/height and what the new width/height is, in order to trigger a normal resizeStack handler to deal with that.
> 
> Ideally, the javascript part of this should be included by LC in the standalone build, and I hope that’s what they plan at least when LC10 stable ships (seems logical), but in the meantime - can someone please help get the code right?
> 
> /Andreas
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From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Sat Aug  6 12:28:01 2022
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2022 09:28:01 -0700
Subject: How to use addEventListener for browser window resizing in web
 deployment?
In-Reply-To: <9D2BC0B9-C30E-4B65-8540-A1B4F611A7A2@all-auctions.com>
References: <18C945D8-A19E-45C7-8E67-26D31B038F1B@gmail.com>
 <9D2BC0B9-C30E-4B65-8540-A1B4F611A7A2@all-auctions.com>
Message-ID: <d10ba442-ec1b-2b47-6f2b-89ad440e02f3@sonic.net>

On 8/6/22 07:30, harrison--- via use-livecode wrote:

> I have found the following website to be very helpful with a lot of my javascript projects.
> 
> Do you know about these guys?
> 
> https://www.w3schools.com/js/default.asp <https://www.w3schools.com/js/default.asp>

And also the amazing GitHub Copilot:

https://docs.github.com/en/copilot

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com


From andreas.bergendal at gmail.com  Sat Aug  6 13:14:12 2022
From: andreas.bergendal at gmail.com (Andreas Bergendal)
Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2022 19:14:12 +0200
Subject: How to use addEventListener for browser window resizing in web
 deployment?
Message-ID: <22EEE677-D559-4EE6-BD06-2EBA9BC2AFDA@gmail.com>

Thanks guys, those are indeed great resources for many cases. 

What I’m after here however, are specific solutions to the javascript/livecode ’pairing’ of code to manage browser window/stack resizing.
To avoid reinventing the wheel, if possible. I imagine this would be of great interest to a lot of people here, since having your stack react to browser window resizing should be quite crucial in many cases of LC web deployment.

That’s why I’m also confident that the mothership will build this into future releases of LC10. But as an early adopter, I can’t wait… ;-)

From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Sat Aug  6 13:28:33 2022
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2022 10:28:33 -0700
Subject: How to use addEventListener for browser window resizing in web
 deployment?
In-Reply-To: <18C945D8-A19E-45C7-8E67-26D31B038F1B@gmail.com>
References: <18C945D8-A19E-45C7-8E67-26D31B038F1B@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b821f174-2238-799b-92c5-d4caac3db443@sonic.net>

On 8/6/22 04:44, Andreas Bergendal via use-livecode wrote:

> and Ali Lloyds cool WordLC app:
> https://alilloyd.livecodehosting.com/wordlc/wordlc.html

Unfortunately that throws a divide-by-zero error at line 461 in 
computeGridFieldWidth when I try to resize the window.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com


From alex at tweedly.net  Sat Aug  6 13:45:42 2022
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2022 18:45:42 +0100
Subject: How to use addEventListener for browser window resizing in web
 deployment?
In-Reply-To: <22EEE677-D559-4EE6-BD06-2EBA9BC2AFDA@gmail.com>
References: <22EEE677-D559-4EE6-BD06-2EBA9BC2AFDA@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <83d19caf-bf24-37ef-2038-9628e1ed4c60@tweedly.net>

You are correct Andreas - all this basic javascript interaction *really* 
should be in the default built already.

A sample stack for building a web app was discussed in a session in the 
LC Global conference, by Steven Crichton and Michael McReary. It has all 
kinds of javascript magic, and the corresponding LC pairing. AFAIK, that 
stack hasn't been made public, so it wouldn't be up to me to show large 
sections - but I'm sure it's ok to give a couple of snippets .....

In the stack script of the app (includes some stuff with 'spinner - 
probably not generally needed) :

> on openStack
>    if the platform is "web" then
>       do "document.querySelector('#canvas').removeAttribute('width');" 
> as "javascript"
>       do 
> "document.querySelector('#canvas').removeAttribute('height');" as 
> "javascript"
>       do "document.querySelector('#canvas').style.width = '100%';" as 
> "javascript"
>       do 
> "document.querySelector('#emscripten_main').removeAttribute('width');" 
> as "javascript"
>       do 
> "document.querySelector('#emscripten_main').removeAttribute('height');" 
> as "javascript"
>       do "document.querySelector('#emscripten_main').style.width = 
> '100%';" as "javascript"
>       do "var element = 
> document.getElementById('spinner');element.parentNode.removeChild(element);" 
> as "javascript"
>       do "var element = 
> document.getElementById('status');element.parentNode.removeChild(element);" 
> as "javascript"
>       do 
> "document.querySelector('#donestatus').removeAttribute('style');" as 
> "javascript"
>       do "document.querySelector('#by').removeAttribute('style');" as 
> "javascript"
>
>       send "doBrowserResize" to me in 0 millisecs
>    end if
> end openStack
>
> on browserResized pInnerHeight
>    set the height of this stack to pInnerHeight
>    do 
> "document.querySelector('#emscripten_main').removeAttribute('width');" 
> as "javascript"
>    do "document.querySelector('#emscripten_main').style.width = 
> '100%';" as "javascript"
> end browserResized
>
> on doBrowserResize
>    set the cJavascriptHandlers of this stack to "browserResized" & 
> return & "scrollEvent"
>    set the visible of this stack to true
>    do "getInnerHeight();" as "javascript"
>    browserResized the result
> end doBrowserResize
>
> on scrollEvent pHScroll, pVScroll
>    send "scrollEvent" && pHScroll & comma & pVScroll to this card in 0 
> seconds
> end scrollEvent
>
and in the standalone.html :

Hmmm - I don't understand it well enough to clip out the needed parts - 
so I've included the whole thing below  :-(   Again, it includes stuff 
with spinner, and stripe - which probably should be removed in the 
general case. Hopefully, LC will get their act together and provide a 
default build where basic functionality works.

Good luck,

Alex.

<html>
<head>
     <meta charset="utf-8">
     <meta content="text/html; charset=utf-8" http-equiv="Content-Type">
     <meta name="viewport" content="width=device-width, initial-scale=1">

     <title>LiveCode Conference - Meeting Space</title>

     <style>
         body {
             font-family: arial;
             margin: 0;
             padding: none;
             background-color:#fafafa !important;
             border-top: 0px solid #282828;
         }
         .emscripten {
             padding-right: 0;
             margin-left: auto;
             margin-right: auto;
             display: block
         }
         div.emscripten {
             text-align: center
         }
         div.emscripten_border {
             border: 0px solid #000
         }
         canvas.emscripten {
             border: 0 none
         }
         #emscripten_logo {
             display: inline-block;
             margin: 0
         }
         .spinner {
             position: fixed;
             left: 0px;
             top: 0px;
             width: 100%;
             height: 100%;
             z-index: 1000;
             background: 
url('https://michael.on-rev.com/Meeting%20Space/spinner.gif') no-repeat 
center center;
             background-color:#fafafa !important;
             border-top: 0px solid #282828;
         }
         @-webkit-keyframes rotation {
             from {
                 -webkit-transform: rotate(0)
             }
             to {
                 -webkit-transform: rotate(360deg)
             }
         }
         @-moz-keyframes rotation {
             from {
                 -moz-transform: rotate(0)
             }
             to {
                 -moz-transform: rotate(360deg)
             }
         }
         @-o-keyframes rotation {
             from {
                 -o-transform: rotate(0)
             }
             to {
                 -o-transform: rotate(360deg)
             }
         }
         @keyframes rotation {
             from {
                 transform: rotate(0)
             }
             to {
                 transform: rotate(360deg)
             }
         }
         #status {
             position:absolute;
             left: 0px;
             bottom: 50px;
             z-index: 1000;
             vertical-align: bottom;
             font-weight: 700;
             color: #787878
             text-align: center;
             width:100%;
             line-height: 90px;
         }
         #progress {
             height: 20px;
             width: 30px
             color:green;
         }
         #controls {
             display: inline-block;
             float: right;
             vertical-align: top;
             margin-top: 30px;
             margin-right: 20px
         }
         #output {
             width: 100%;
             height: 200px;
             margin: 0 auto;
             margin-top: 10px;
             display: block;
             background-color: #000;
             color: #fff;
             font-family: 'Lucida Console',Monaco,monospace;
             outline: 0
         }
     </style>

     <script src="https://js.stripe.com/v3/" 
crossorigin="anonymous"></script>

     <style>
         #overlay {
             position: fixed;
             width: 100%;
             height: 100%;
             top: 0;
             left: 0;
             right: 0;
             bottom: 0;
             background-color: rgba(0,0,0,0.5);
             z-index: 2;
         }

         #overlay-background {
             border-radius: 5px;
             border: 1px solid #cccccc;
             padding: 20px;
             background-color: #fff;
             margin: 20%;
         }

         #card {
             border-radius: 5px;
             border: 1px solid #cccccc;
             padding: 15px;
             margin-bottom: 10px;
         }

         button {
             border: none;
             padding: 15px 32px;
             text-align: center;
             text-decoration: none;
             display: inline-block;
         }

         #submit {
             background-color: #DA7B8A;
             color: #fff;
         }

         #submit:hover:enabled {
             background-color: #9A6B72;
         }

         #submit:disabled {
             color: #ccc;
         }

         #cancel {
             color: #fff;
         }

         #cancel:hover:enabled {
             background-color: #ccc;
         }
     </style>
</head>

<body>
     <div class="spinner" id="spinner"></div>
     <div class="emscripten" id="status">Loading...</div>
     <div class="emscripten">
          <progress value="0" max="100" id="progress" hidden="1"></progress>
     </div>
     <div id="emscripten_main">
         <canvas class="emscripten" id="canvas" 
oncontextmenu="event.preventDefault()"></canvas>
     </div>
     <textarea id="output" style="display:none;"></textarea>

     <script>
         var statusElement = document.getElementById("status")
           , progressElement = document.getElementById("progress")
           , spinnerElement = document.getElementById("spinner")
           , Module = {
             preRun: [],
             postRun: [],
             print: function() {
                 var e = document.getElementById("output");
                 return e && (e.value = ""),
                 function(t) {
                     arguments.length > 1 && (t = 
Array.prototype.slice.call(arguments).join(" ")),
                     console.log(t),
                     e && (e.value += t + "\n",
                     e.scrollTop = e.scrollHeight)
                 }
             }(),
             printErr: function(e) {
                 arguments.length > 1 && (e = 
Array.prototype.slice.call(arguments).join(" ")),
                 console.error(e)
             },
             canvas: function() {
                 var e = document.getElementById("canvas");
                 return e.addEventListener("webglcontextlost", 
(function(e) {
                     alert("WebGL context lost. You will need to reload 
the page."),
                     e.preventDefault()
                 }
                 ), !1),
                 e
             }(),
             setStatus: function(e) {
                 if (Module.setStatus.last || (Module.setStatus.last = {
                     time: Date.now(),
                     text: ""
                 }),
                 e !== Module.setStatus.text) {
                     var t = e.match(/([^(]+)\((\d+(\.\d+)?)\/(\d+)\)/)
                       , n = Date.now();
                     t && n - Date.now() < 30 || (t ? (e = t[1],
                     progressElement.value = 100 * parseInt(t[2]),
                     progressElement.max = 100 * parseInt(t[4]),
                     progressElement.hidden = !1,
                     spinnerElement.hidden = !1) : 
(progressElement.value = null,
                     progressElement.max = null,
                     progressElement.hidden = !0,
                     e || (onLoaded())),
                     statusElement.innerHTML = e)
                 }
             },
             totalDependencies: 0,
             monitorRunDependencies: function(e) {
                 this.totalDependencies = 
Math.max(this.totalDependencies, e),
                 Module.setStatus(e ? "Preparing... (" + 
(this.totalDependencies - e) + "/" + this.totalDependencies + ")" : 
"Starting App")
             }
         };
         Module.setStatus("Loading..."),
         window.onerror = function(e) {
             Module.setStatus("Exception thrown, see JavaScript console"),
             spinnerElement.style.display = "none",
             Module.setStatus = function(e) {
                 e && Module.printErr("[post-exception status] " + e)
             }
         }

         function onLoaded() {
             return true;
         }
     </script>

     <script>
         function getInnerHeight() {
             return window.innerHeight;
         }

         window.addEventListener("resize", function(data){
             if (document.liveCode) {
                 var myStack = 
document.liveCode.findStackWithName("Meeting Space");
                 if (myStack) {
                     myStack.browserResized(getInnerHeight());
                 }
             }
         });

document.getElementById("canvas").addEventListener("wheel", 
function(event) {
             event.preventDefault();
             if (document.liveCode) {
                 var myStack = 
document.liveCode.findStackWithName("Meeting Space");
                 if (myStack) {
                     myStack.scrollEvent(event.deltaX, event.deltaY);
                 }
             }
         });
     </script>

     <script async src="standalone-10.0.0-dp-3.js"></script>

     <div id="overlay" style="display:none;">
         <div id="overlay-background">
             <div id="card"></div>
             <button id="submit">Submit</button>
             <button id="cancel">Cancel</button>
         </div>
     </div>

     <script>
         const stripe = 
Stripe("pk_test_51J5qZpI8kDUYhBxrrHHUnkjaku4wkg7QHTYMh9Qe2gTLowh48YAFgS2zI5HOGKqmWjLj2BRIgdtUQo2z1VRKivSV00lTFGjzQb");
         const elements = stripe.elements();
         const card = elements.create("card");
         card.mount("#card");

         function displayFetchCardDetails() {
             card.clear();
             document.getElementById("submit").disabled = true;
             document.getElementById("overlay").style.display = "block";
         }

         card.on("change", pEvent => {
             if (pEvent.complete) {
                 document.getElementById("submit").disabled = false;
             } else if (pEvent.error != undefined) {
                 document.getElementById("submit").disabled = true;
             }
         });

document.getElementById("submit").addEventListener("click", pEvent => {
             document.getElementById("overlay").style.display = "none";
             stripe.createToken(card).then((pResult) => {
                 if (pResult.error != undefined) {
                     document
                         .liveCode
                         .findStackWithName("Meeting Space")
.stripeFetchCardDetailsOnError(pResult.error.message);
                 } else {
                     document
                         .liveCode
                         .findStackWithName("Meeting Space")
.stripeFetchCardDetailsOnSuccess(pResult.token.id);
                 }
             });
         });

document.getElementById("cancel").addEventListener("click", pEvent => {
             document.getElementById("overlay").style.display = "none";
             document
                 .liveCode
                 .findStackWithName("Meeting Space")
                 .stripeFetchCardDetailsOnCancel();
         });
     </script>
</body>

</html>

On 06/08/2022 18:14, Andreas Bergendal via use-livecode wrote:
> Thanks guys, those are indeed great resources for many cases.
>
> What Im after here however, are specific solutions to the javascript/livecode pairing of code to manage browser window/stack resizing.
> To avoid reinventing the wheel, if possible. I imagine this would be of great interest to a lot of people here, since having your stack react to browser window resizing should be quite crucial in many cases of LC web deployment.
>
> Thats why Im also confident that the mothership will build this into future releases of LC10. But as an early adopter, I cant wait ;-)
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> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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From andreas.bergendal at gmail.com  Sat Aug  6 15:46:21 2022
From: andreas.bergendal at gmail.com (Andreas Bergendal)
Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2022 21:46:21 +0200
Subject: How to use addEventListener for browser window resizing in web
 deployment?
Message-ID: <8A4FE0CA-7B70-47EE-AEE8-9D9DB3D92EA1@gmail.com>

Wow, thanks Alex! That’s brilliant and exactly what I need!
I must have missed (or forgotten) that session at the conference - I’ll try to find it among the recordings to see if it helps explaining the various bits a little. In any case I’ll experiment with the code and see what I can get to work.

Cheers,
Andreas

From selander at tkf.att.ne.jp  Sun Aug  7 03:29:27 2022
From: selander at tkf.att.ne.jp (Tim Selander)
Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2022 16:29:27 +0900
Subject: Auto populate an HTML form with LC server
Message-ID: <b3da75e6-bafe-e0af-8ed5-e3bfe5a39542@tkf.att.ne.jp>

Many web forms in Japan automatically fill in prefecture, town, 
ward and block when you just put in the zip code. I would like to 
do that on my web site, and know the api I would use.

I assume these sites are using javascript, but can LC server pick 
up user input before the submit button is clicked?

Any help appreciated.

Tim Selander
Tokyo, Japan


From index at kenjikojima.com  Sun Aug  7 07:17:35 2022
From: index at kenjikojima.com (Kenji Kojima)
Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2022 07:17:35 -0400
Subject: Auto populate an HTML form with LC server
In-Reply-To: <b3da75e6-bafe-e0af-8ed5-e3bfe5a39542@tkf.att.ne.jp>
References: <b3da75e6-bafe-e0af-8ed5-e3bfe5a39542@tkf.att.ne.jp>
Message-ID: <7B38B2F6-1957-4C72-89EF-3F87FD14FC88@kenjikojima.com>

Tim,

See this
https://www.webdesign-fan.com/ajaxzip3 <https://www.webdesign-fan.com/ajaxzip3> 
and 
http://www.webdesign-fan-guide.com/ajaxzip3/ <http://www.webdesign-fan-guide.com/ajaxzip3/> 

I believe you can use these on the LC server.

Best,
--
Kenji Kojima / 小島健治
http://www.kenjikojima.com/



> On Aug 7, 2022, at 3:29 AM, Tim Selander via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Many web forms in Japan automatically fill in prefecture, town, ward and block when you just put in the zip code. I would like to do that on my web site, and know the api I would use.
> 
> I assume these sites are using javascript, but can LC server pick up user input before the submit button is clicked?
> 
> Any help appreciated.
> 
> Tim Selander
> Tokyo, Japan
> 
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From selander at tkf.att.ne.jp  Sun Aug  7 08:57:45 2022
From: selander at tkf.att.ne.jp (Tim Selander)
Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2022 21:57:45 +0900
Subject: Auto populate an HTML form with LC server
In-Reply-To: <7B38B2F6-1957-4C72-89EF-3F87FD14FC88@kenjikojima.com>
References: <b3da75e6-bafe-e0af-8ed5-e3bfe5a39542@tkf.att.ne.jp>
 <7B38B2F6-1957-4C72-89EF-3F87FD14FC88@kenjikojima.com>
Message-ID: <6bbf466f-7f52-7245-b09b-6c07389cb523@tkf.att.ne.jp>

一発でした！
小島様、ありがとうごあいました。助かりました！
お久しぶりに「小島健治」というお名前をメールリストに見て、すごく嬉しくなりました。過去、何回も手伝ってくださいましたね。

ごめんんさい、芸術の世界とまったく縁のない人間ですが、HPを見ると、相変わらず重要なプロジェクトを取り上げていますね。

では、これからもよろしくお願いいたします。

セランダー・ティム

Thank you so much!!

Tim



On 2022.08.07 20:17, Kenji Kojima wrote:
> Tim,
> 
> See this
> https://www.webdesign-fan.com/ajaxzip3
> and
> http://www.webdesign-fan-guide.com/ajaxzip3/
> 
> I believe you can use these on the LC server.
> 
> Best,
> --
> Kenji Kojima / 小島健治
> http://www.kenjikojima.com/
> 
> 
> 
>> On Aug 7, 2022, at 3:29 AM, Tim Selander via use-livecode 
>> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com 
>> <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Many web forms in Japan automatically fill in prefecture, town, 
>> ward and block when you just put in the zip code. I would like 
>> to do that on my web site, and know the api I would use.
>>
>> I assume these sites are using javascript, but can LC server 
>> pick up user input before the submit button is clicked?
>>
>> Any help appreciated.
>>
>> Tim Selander
>> Tokyo, Japan
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com 
>> <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> 



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From: tom at makeshyft.com (Tom Glod)
Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2022 18:15:00 -0400
Subject: megabundle thoughts
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Greetings Everyone!

I might be pretty biased (cuz the bundle contains my AppStarterStack),
And I understand  that people have different goals with their software
development.
But all i know is there is ALOT of value in the bundle.
So much so, I don't even necessarily agree with the price points, for the
amount of value thats in it.
(When you take just the vouchers into consideration)

Just my 5 cents.



On Fri, Aug 5, 2022 at 3:20 PM matthias rebbe via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I own a Lifetime commercial (Indy) license for all current and future
> platforms and a current subscription to upgrade my license to the Pro
> features with Email support.
>
> There are 2 items in the bundle  i was interested in: the Email parser
> library and also the PolyGrid widget. The other stuff like the ebooks,
> conference videos and others i already own or i could upgrade much cheaper
> (Curry's libraries) through the LC shop.
>
> And without the voucher, which has the same value as the Megabundle
> costs,  i would not have purchased the bundle.
>
> But i have also a subscription for the script compiler, so i decided to
> purchase the bundle and use the voucher for the next payments for the
> Script compiler subscription.
>
> So in my case i did not loose money, but got some really usefull widgets
> and libraries on top. I did not pay much attention for the other widgets
> and libraries, but must confess that the PolyList (formerl DataView) and
> also the ResponsiveLayout library are really great enhancements.
>
> So in case you have a current subscription in your LC account and you do
> not plan to cancel that subscription in near future, the MegaBundle is a
> bargain. You pay your subscription costs in advance and get some really
> great enhancements for LC.
>
>
> Matthias
>
>
>
> > Am 05.08.2022 um 19:46 schrieb J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> >
> > I'm with Paul. I don't need additional licensing but if the widgets go
> on sale separately later then I'm in.
> >
> > --
> > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> > On August 5, 2022 12:36:22 PM Alex Tweedly via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I kind of agree with Paul (though I ame to the opposite conclusion).
> >
> >
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From hakan at exformedia.se  Mon Aug  8 00:32:05 2022
From: hakan at exformedia.se (Hakan@exformedia.se)
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2022 06:32:05 +0200
Subject: Auto populate an HTML form with LC server
In-Reply-To: <6bbf466f-7f52-7245-b09b-6c07389cb523@tkf.att.ne.jp>
References: <6bbf466f-7f52-7245-b09b-6c07389cb523@tkf.att.ne.jp>
Message-ID: <198891BF-DC51-4969-8D6E-569E74EFDAF7@exformedia.se>

I don’t understand Japanese but to clarify the process. The server side can’t do anything unless you call it in some way. So every time you see something happening in the browser before you submit it is JavaScript running. The libraries mentioned are Ajax libraries (as far as I understand) and should be injected to the web page. 
With JavaScript you can listen to events in a similar way as in Livecode. And when your event of choice happens your JavaScript calls a server API that can then return an answer (which often is some json) that the JavaScript interprets and injects into the fields. 
So, Livecode server (or any other server) can’t pick up anything before you submit, but with JavaScript you can make the call!


> 7 aug. 2022 kl. 14:59 skrev Tim Selander via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> 一発でした！
> 小島様、ありがとうごあいました。助かりました！
> お久しぶりに「小島健治」というお名前をメールリストに見て、すごく嬉しくなりました。過去、何回も手伝ってくださいましたね。
> 
> ごめんんさい、芸術の世界とまったく縁のない人間ですが、HPを見ると、相変わらず重要なプロジェクトを取り上げていますね。
> 
> では、これからもよろしくお願いいたします。
> 
> セランダー・ティム
> 
> Thank you so much!!
> 
> Tim
> 
> 
> 
>> On 2022.08.07 20:17, Kenji Kojima wrote:
>> Tim,
>> See this
>> https://www.webdesign-fan.com/ajaxzip3
>> and
>> http://www.webdesign-fan-guide.com/ajaxzip3/
>> I believe you can use these on the LC server.
>> Best,
>> --
>> Kenji Kojima / 小島健治
>> http://www.kenjikojima.com/
>>>> On Aug 7, 2022, at 3:29 AM, Tim Selander via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Many web forms in Japan automatically fill in prefecture, town, ward and block when you just put in the zip code. I would like to do that on my web site, and know the api I would use.
>>> 
>>> I assume these sites are using javascript, but can LC server pick up user input before the submit button is clicked?
>>> 
>>> Any help appreciated.
>>> 
>>> Tim Selander
>>> Tokyo, Japan
>>> 
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From paul at researchware.com  Mon Aug  8 12:26:30 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2022 12:26:30 -0400
Subject: Datagrid internal error
Message-ID: <2981919d-4756-8d31-0a95-d28fdca6b445@researchware.com>

A customer encountered the following execution error (below) in our app 
(built on Livecode 9.6.7, MacOS 12.5). This error is occurring in the 
scrips for the Datagrid itself, rather than our code. At the end, it is 
one of our handler, "populateMe", where line 139 is where the error starts.
Line 139 set the dgProp["columns"] of grp "rwMatrixObj_DataGrid" to 
tColumnNames

tColumnNames is a variable containing a list of text lines that are 
customer entered column names, so they could be ANYTHING (up to 255 
chars, no control characters, including DEL (127)) that a user could 
type or paste into a field, including words in any language using Unicode.

As the executionContexts data does not contain the actual values of the 
variable tColumns when the error occurs, does ANYONE have any idea what 
tColumns might contain that could produce the error(s) show below?

Technical information:
Property: value is not a number: (Line 11, column 1)
Object: can't set object property: (Line 11, column 5)
set: can't set property: (Line 11, column 1)
Handler: error in statement: LayoutControl (Line 11, column 1)
Object ID: stack "RevDataGridLibraryBehaviorsDefaultHeaderButtonBehavior"
-
repeat: error in statement: (Line 5066, column 1)
Handler: error in statement: _table.ResizeHeaders (Line 5052, column 1)
Object ID: stack "RevDataGridLibraryBehaviorsDataGridButtonBehavior"
-
Handler: error in statement: _table.ResizeColumns (Line 4967, column 1)
Object ID: stack "RevDataGridLibraryBehaviorsDataGridButtonBehavior"
-
Handler: error in statement: _table.CreateColumns (Line 4737, column 1)
Object ID: stack "RevDataGridLibraryBehaviorsDataGridButtonBehavior"
-
Handler: error in statement: _table.RegenerateColumns (Line 4538, column 1)
Object ID: stack "RevDataGridLibraryBehaviorsDataGridButtonBehavior"
-
switch: error in statement: (Line 6150, column 1)
Handler: error in statement: dgProps (Line 5553, column 1)
Object ID: stack "RevDataGridLibraryBehaviorsDataGridButtonBehavior"
-
set: can't set property: (Line 5529, column 1)
Handler: error in statement: dgProp (Line 5529, column 1)
Object ID: stack "RevDataGridLibraryBehaviorsDataGridButtonBehavior"
-
set: can't set property: (Line 139, column 1)
if-then: error in statement: (Line 139, column 1)
Handler: error in statement: populateMe (Line 138, column 1)
Object: group "Table" of card "FrequencyReport" of stack "FreqReport.rwtl"
Object ID: group id 1162 of card id 1002 of stack 
"/Applications/HyperRESEARCH 4.5.4/Components/Tools/FreqReport.rwtl"


From paul at researchware.com  Mon Aug  8 12:39:02 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2022 12:39:02 -0400
Subject: Datagrid internal error
In-Reply-To: <2981919d-4756-8d31-0a95-d28fdca6b445@researchware.com>
References: <2981919d-4756-8d31-0a95-d28fdca6b445@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <60e95862-61d7-4a07-2423-b77b10afc68f@researchware.com>

On 8/8/2022 12:26 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
> A customer encountered the following execution error (below) in our 
> app (built on Livecode 9.6.7, MacOS 12.5). This error is occurring in 
> the scrips for the Datagrid itself, rather than our code. At the end, 
> it is one of our handler, "populateMe", where line 139 is where the 
> error starts.
> Line 139 set the dgProp["columns"] of grp "rwMatrixObj_DataGrid" to 
> tColumnNames
>

For example, some information from the customer suggest they are working 
with a VERY large dataset, so the length of the list in TColumnNames 
could be quit long - perhaps hundreds of lines. Is there a practical 
limit on the number of columns a Datagrid can be set to?



From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net  Mon Aug  8 13:38:50 2022
From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola)
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2022 13:38:50 -0400
Subject: Datagrid internal error
In-Reply-To: <60e95862-61d7-4a07-2423-b77b10afc68f@researchware.com>
References: <2981919d-4756-8d31-0a95-d28fdca6b445@researchware.com>
 <60e95862-61d7-4a07-2423-b77b10afc68f@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <005401d8ab4d$bbd48c10$337da430$@net>

Paul,

The max height of a field is 32,767 pixels. This can be hard to quantify
especially on mobile with the cornucopia of screen resolutions. I would
imagine that this limit also applies to groups as well. I got bit on this
when the app worked in the IDE but failed on some devices.

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdimola at evergreeninfo.net


-----Original Message-----
From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf
Of Paul Dupuis via use-livecode
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2022 12:39 PM
To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
Cc: Paul Dupuis
Subject: Re: Datagrid internal error

On 8/8/2022 12:26 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
> A customer encountered the following execution error (below) in our 
> app (built on Livecode 9.6.7, MacOS 12.5). This error is occurring in 
> the scrips for the Datagrid itself, rather than our code. At the end, 
> it is one of our handler, "populateMe", where line 139 is where the 
> error starts.
> Line 139 set the dgProp["columns"] of grp "rwMatrixObj_DataGrid" to 
> tColumnNames
>

For example, some information from the customer suggest they are working
with a VERY large dataset, so the length of the list in TColumnNames could
be quit long - perhaps hundreds of lines. Is there a practical limit on the
number of columns a Datagrid can be set to?


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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Aug  8 17:59:13 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2022 21:59:13 +0000
Subject: Code Signing Certificates: Where to put?
Message-ID: <AD1565F4-4500-421A-9E85-A9FC3576452D@iotecdigital.com>

I went through the process of creating the 2 certs needed to sign, notarize and staple an app bundle. I imported the certs into my Keychain in System (login didn't seem like the place to put it) and now MrSign'n'Notarize Helper V3 is generating an error which seems to indicate it cannot find the certificate. 
Codesigning app...

executing: codesign --deep --force --verify --verbose --sign "Robert Sneidar (9PV38Bl27Y)" --options runtime --entitlements /private/var/folders/dy/zctnynys6mg69880fpzrmsy00000gr/T/TemporaryItems/entitlements.plist "/Users/bobsneidar/Documents/Livecode Projects/Builds/slySQL Agent MAC/slySQL Agent.app"
/Users/bobsneidar/Documents/Livecode Projects/Builds/slySQL Agent MAC/slySQL Agent.app: replacing existing signature
Warning: unable to build chain to self-signed root for signer "Developer ID Application: <I deleted this so no one can see it>"
/Users/bobsneidar/Documents/Livecode Projects/Builds/slySQL Agent MAC/slySQL Agent.app: errSecInternalComponent
In subcomponent: /Users/bobsneidar/Documents/Livecode Projects/Builds/slySQL Agent MAC/slySQL Agent.app/Contents/MacOS/revsecurity.dylib
process aborted

Is this an issue caused by where I put the certificates? 

Bob S



From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Aug  8 19:53:04 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2022 23:53:04 +0000
Subject: Datagrid internal error
In-Reply-To: <2981919d-4756-8d31-0a95-d28fdca6b445@researchware.com>
References: <2981919d-4756-8d31-0a95-d28fdca6b445@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <0B74C5FE-37CF-4858-A029-E7CE5D65A8AE@iotecdigital.com>

I believe dgProp ["columns"] is a comma delimited list. 

Bob S


> On Aug 8, 2022, at 09:26 , Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> A customer encountered the following execution error (below) in our app (built on Livecode 9.6.7, MacOS 12.5). This error is occurring in the scrips for the Datagrid itself, rather than our code. At the end, it is one of our handler, "populateMe", where line 139 is where the error starts.
> Line 139 set the dgProp["columns"] of grp "rwMatrixObj_DataGrid" to tColumnNames



From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Aug  8 19:56:32 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2022 23:56:32 +0000
Subject: Datagrid internal error
In-Reply-To: <0B74C5FE-37CF-4858-A029-E7CE5D65A8AE@iotecdigital.com>
References: <2981919d-4756-8d31-0a95-d28fdca6b445@researchware.com>
 <0B74C5FE-37CF-4858-A029-E7CE5D65A8AE@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <F26FA733-31F6-4E70-BE67-0852E7833155@iotecdigital.com>

Nope I take that back it's lines. I remember now wondering why that was. 

Bob S


> On Aug 8, 2022, at 16:53 , Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com> wrote:
> 
> I believe dgProp ["columns"] is a comma delimited list. 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Aug 8, 2022, at 09:26 , Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> A customer encountered the following execution error (below) in our app (built on Livecode 9.6.7, MacOS 12.5). This error is occurring in the scrips for the Datagrid itself, rather than our code. At the end, it is one of our handler, "populateMe", where line 139 is where the error starts.
>> Line 139 set the dgProp["columns"] of grp "rwMatrixObj_DataGrid" to tColumnNames
> 



From paulmcclernan at gmail.com  Mon Aug  8 20:50:31 2022
From: paulmcclernan at gmail.com (Paul McClernan)
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2022 20:50:31 -0400
Subject: Livecode Builder developer wanted
In-Reply-To: <F685CA52-FBB0-4227-94B7-84573685C160@all-auctions.com>
References: <cdf489f1-eb80-798f-8104-ff923fa71130@researchware.com>
 <f1a0ec3e-1f6e-b01b-6182-a837d27328d8@researchware.com>
 <CADCoycOR-Z2vDQW4YVDT7Ddcmd7MXb2pGg=ZPs65pGJszhe0uw@mail.gmail.com>
 <fca710db-db22-1ef7-5b65-cbe5e9f93c15@researchware.com>
 <1C5DF67E-1332-42DB-BF43-1B0F709EF140@all-auctions.com>
 <7611291e-0782-ff86-d8e9-bff5cbe329ad@researchware.com>
 <F685CA52-FBB0-4227-94B7-84573685C160@all-auctions.com>
Message-ID: <CA+mv_tV2UoX_8_ceE0uonwwGTj6eUf3_=gJQGhLuEUGuaRufhw@mail.gmail.com>

I would say go ahead and jump in yourself, I’d be willing to help if I can
(I’m rather busy myself), if you post questions in the LCB forum section,
if you get stuck. I’m sure Trevor has left a nice starting base (I’ve
looked at all of his LCB work). You could likely get the lib binary for
macOS using “HomeBrew”.

On Thu, Jul 28, 2022 at 1:44 PM harrison--- via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi Paul,
>
> You should have led with that information.
>
> Keys here:  Not time sensitive. Pay competitive rates:  What is your
> rate?  Be upfront with that if you can.
>
> Thanks for clearing things up a bit.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Rick
>
>
> > On Jul 28, 2022, at 12:23 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > I've hired and managed independent software developers for various
> businesses for nearly 40 years. I am well aware of the market.
> >
> > We pay competitive contract rates. My estimate of time is probably about
> right for someone who has set up at least 1 or 2 cross-platform LCB DLL
> wrappers based on decades of estimating IT projects, but it was more meant
> to suggest the work is something in the scope of many hours to days vs.
> weeks or months.
> >
> > As for job size, if you are a contract developer who has a queue of
> large jobs providing regular income, good for you. My experience is that
> many contract developers value non-time sensitive small jobs they can fit
> in and around larger projects to fill in the inevitable gaps between larger
> projects that can come up.
> >
> > If no one is available or interested, as I said, it is not time
> sensitive, so we can either wait or tackle it ourselves as time permits.
> >
> > Paul Dupuis
> > Researchware
>
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From paul at researchware.com  Tue Aug  9 08:09:00 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2022 08:09:00 -0400
Subject: Datagrid internal error
In-Reply-To: <F26FA733-31F6-4E70-BE67-0852E7833155@iotecdigital.com>
References: <2981919d-4756-8d31-0a95-d28fdca6b445@researchware.com>
 <0B74C5FE-37CF-4858-A029-E7CE5D65A8AE@iotecdigital.com>
 <F26FA733-31F6-4E70-BE67-0852E7833155@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <11c91d2d-6351-1459-7087-cd0d07061343@researchware.com>

comma delimited or cr delimited, without looking it up, I am sure it is 
in the right format since it work 99.99% of the time.

The names that would be in the column list all go through a name check 
function. That function prevents names that are all spaces, longer than 
255 characters, or are a handful of "reserved words" and checks that 
each name does not contain the following characters

     if (it < 32)  then return false -- all control characters (0x0000 
to 0x0031)
     if (it = 34)  then return false -- "                quote (0x0034) 
-- LC string encapsulator
     if (it = 40)  then return false -- (     left parenthesis (0x0040) 
-- used in filter and theory criteria
     if (it = 41)  then return false -- )    right parenthesis (0x0041) 
-- used in filter and theory criteria
     if (it = 44)  then return false -- ,                comma (0x0044) 
-- LC item delimiter
     if (it = 60)  then return false -- <       less than sign (0x0060) 
-- htmlText tag delimiter
     if (it = 62)  then return false -- >    greater than sign (0x0062) 
-- htmlText tag delimiter
     if (it = 91)  then return false -- [  left square bracket (0x0091) 
-- LC merge delimiter
     if (it = 92)  then return false -- \            backslash (0x0092) 
-- regex string escape character
     if (it = 93)  then return false -- ] right square bracket (0x0093) 
-- LC merge delimiter
     if (it = 124) then return false -- |         vertical bar (0x0124) 
-- used in code
     if (it = 127) then return false -- DEL             delete (0x0127)

So, comma's are excluded, as are [ and ], and control characters, etc.. 
However all Unicode characters, codepoints 128 and up are allowed. 
Testing shows you can have a Datagrid where you can set the columns to 
empty, so that is not the cause of the error.

I can only image that the customer entered a name with some characters 
that Datagrid has a problem with as a column name OR that the shear 
number of columns (as the customer is working with a very large dataset) 
exceeds some practical Datagrid limit, but what would that be?

I don't really want to have to carve out time to build test stacks to 
try names with every possible characters or ever increasing numbers of 
column names until the error occurs or those possibilities are ruled 
out. I was hoping there might be someone on the list who was familiar 
enough with the internals of the Datagrid to have some idea what might 
have caused the error.

Unfortunately, the customer's data is confidential, so they do not want 
to provide the data to us to use for testing. And the customer is either 
not technically savvy or does not have time (they have said they are 
under a deadline) to help much in troubleshooting. They can get the 
analysis this Datagrid provides by exporting some data to Excel and 
doing the analysis in Excel, so the error is not a show-stopper for them 
as well. Definitely not as convenient as the report in our app, but a 
viable work-around.

See my original post for the executionContexts and the specific error.


On 8/8/2022 7:56 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
> Nope I take that back it's lines. I remember now wondering why that was.
>
> Bob S
>
>
>> On Aug 8, 2022, at 16:53 , Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com> wrote:
>>
>> I believe dgProp ["columns"] is a comma delimited list.
>>
>> Bob S
>>
>>
>>> On Aug 8, 2022, at 09:26 , Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> A customer encountered the following execution error (below) in our app (built on Livecode 9.6.7, MacOS 12.5). This error is occurring in the scrips for the Datagrid itself, rather than our code. At the end, it is one of our handler, "populateMe", where line 139 is where the error starts.
>>> Line 139 set the dgProp["columns"] of grp "rwMatrixObj_DataGrid" to tColumnNames
>
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From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Tue Aug  9 10:44:22 2022
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2022 16:44:22 +0200
Subject: Code Signing Certificates: Where to put?
In-Reply-To: <AD1565F4-4500-421A-9E85-A9FC3576452D@iotecdigital.com>
References: <AD1565F4-4500-421A-9E85-A9FC3576452D@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <9C1D9CBF-1D59-4DB6-BF82-8A299B7B8354@m-r-d.de>

My certificates are stored under Login in my Keychain.  I created them using Xcode (Preferences/Account) and Xcode installed them directly in Login.

So give it a try and move (if this is possible) the certs to Login or just delete the 2 and reinstall them.

If you still run into a problem then could you try to create a simple standalone without any external/extension and see if it is possible to sign and notarize that? 

Matthias


> Am 08.08.2022 um 23:59 schrieb Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> I went through the process of creating the 2 certs needed to sign, notarize and staple an app bundle. I imported the certs into my Keychain in System (login didn't seem like the place to put it) and now MrSign'n'Notarize Helper V3 is generating an error which seems to indicate it cannot find the certificate. 
> Codesigning app...
> 
> executing: codesign --deep --force --verify --verbose --sign "Robert Sneidar (9PV38Bl27Y)" --options runtime --entitlements /private/var/folders/dy/zctnynys6mg69880fpzrmsy00000gr/T/TemporaryItems/entitlements.plist "/Users/bobsneidar/Documents/Livecode Projects/Builds/slySQL Agent MAC/slySQL Agent.app"
> /Users/bobsneidar/Documents/Livecode Projects/Builds/slySQL Agent MAC/slySQL Agent.app: replacing existing signature
> Warning: unable to build chain to self-signed root for signer "Developer ID Application: <I deleted this so no one can see it>"
> /Users/bobsneidar/Documents/Livecode Projects/Builds/slySQL Agent MAC/slySQL Agent.app: errSecInternalComponent
> In subcomponent: /Users/bobsneidar/Documents/Livecode Projects/Builds/slySQL Agent MAC/slySQL Agent.app/Contents/MacOS/revsecurity.dylib
> process aborted
> 
> Is this an issue caused by where I put the certificates? 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Aug  9 11:09:55 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2022 15:09:55 +0000
Subject: Datagrid internal error
In-Reply-To: <11c91d2d-6351-1459-7087-cd0d07061343@researchware.com>
References: <2981919d-4756-8d31-0a95-d28fdca6b445@researchware.com>
 <0B74C5FE-37CF-4858-A029-E7CE5D65A8AE@iotecdigital.com>
 <F26FA733-31F6-4E70-BE67-0852E7833155@iotecdigital.com>
 <11c91d2d-6351-1459-7087-cd0d07061343@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <BC0C36F8-5564-4E24-9B67-564DA5CC4A40@iotecdigital.com>

I believe there is a property you set, after which you programmatically control the population of the datagrid. I am in a hurry so I can't look it up right now, but it is in the datagrid API in livecode lessons. 

Bob S


> On Aug 9, 2022, at 05:09 , Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I can only image that the customer entered a name with some characters that Datagrid has a problem with as a column name OR that the shear number of columns (as the customer is working with a very large dataset) exceeds some practical Datagrid limit, but what would that be?



From paul at researchware.com  Tue Aug  9 13:15:31 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2022 13:15:31 -0400
Subject: Summer Bundle table/grid widgets....
Message-ID: <f5bc9772-5f16-cfe1-1291-5d7460ea8abc@researchware.com>

I am in need of a control to display a table of numbers. The top ROW are 
column labels (text, sometimes up to 255 characters). The left COLUMN is 
row labels (text, sometime up to 255 characters). I'd like a widget that:
1) Can display this with the top row (or headers) fixed so they remain 
visible when the data is scrolled
2) Can display this with the left column fixed to they remain visible 
when the data is scrolled
3) Provides built in abilities to sort the numbers in all the data of 
the grid/table, by any column, ascending or descending as the user desires.

I have already built this with a grouped field (for the fixed left 
column) and Datagrid (for the remained of the table).

Do any of the new widgets in the Summer Bundle do this inherently 
without me having to make a custom object (as I had to do with the field 
+ Datagrid)?



From dan at clearvisiontech.com  Tue Aug  9 13:33:42 2022
From: dan at clearvisiontech.com (Dan Friedman)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2022 17:33:42 +0000
Subject: Android API Level 31
Message-ID: <727220B7-7BC5-42C8-BA19-338FFA55F94A@clearvisiontech.com>

I am trying to upload an AAB to Google Play Condole and I am getting this error:

"Your app currently targets API level 30 and must target at least API level 31 to ensure it is built on the latest APIs optimized for security and performance. Change your app's target API level to at least 31."

I have enabled the "Android 12.0 (S)" SDK (API Level 31) in Android Studio and restarted LC and rebuilt the app.  Still getting the error from Google Play.   Anyone have any ideas as to the LC/Studio settings needed to get Google to accept the app?

Thank you in advance!
Dan


From merakosp at gmail.com  Tue Aug  9 14:45:14 2022
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis m)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2022 21:45:14 +0300
Subject: Android API Level 31
In-Reply-To: <727220B7-7BC5-42C8-BA19-338FFA55F94A@clearvisiontech.com>
References: <727220B7-7BC5-42C8-BA19-338FFA55F94A@clearvisiontech.com>
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq8N+U50+7H9D90dnmCjsRCqTynN5azGUzTwsJ7X4QYbug@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Dan,

This is a new requirement of the Google Play Store, i.e. new apps should
target Android API 31. We are preparing a build of LC 9.6.9 RC-1 that among
other bugfixes includes support for API31 too, it is currently in testing
and should be good for release very soon. If you are urgently affected
please contact support and we can offer an interim (test) build to try.

Kind regards,
Panos
--

On Tue, 9 Aug 2022 at 20:34, Dan Friedman via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I am trying to upload an AAB to Google Play Condole and I am getting this
> error:
>
> "Your app currently targets API level 30 and must target at least API
> level 31 to ensure it is built on the latest APIs optimized for security
> and performance. Change your app's target API level to at least 31."
>
> I have enabled the "Android 12.0 (S)" SDK (API Level 31) in Android Studio
> and restarted LC and rebuilt the app.  Still getting the error from Google
> Play.   Anyone have any ideas as to the LC/Studio settings needed to get
> Google to accept the app?
>
> Thank you in advance!
> Dan
>
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From dan at clearvisiontech.com  Tue Aug  9 15:12:14 2022
From: dan at clearvisiontech.com (Dan Friedman)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2022 19:12:14 +0000
Subject: Android API Level 31
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq8N+U50+7H9D90dnmCjsRCqTynN5azGUzTwsJ7X4QYbug@mail.gmail.com>
References: <727220B7-7BC5-42C8-BA19-338FFA55F94A@clearvisiontech.com>
 <CA+JfEq8N+U50+7H9D90dnmCjsRCqTynN5azGUzTwsJ7X4QYbug@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <77239A29-9319-4F46-BE0E-F0A53094F42B@clearvisiontech.com>

Panos,

THANK YOU for the quick reply and the information!   If we're talking days or early next week, I can probably wait.  Anything later than that and I'll need something to give my client.

Thank you!
Dan 


On 8/9/22, 11:47 AM, "use-livecode on behalf of panagiotis m via use-livecode" <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com on behalf of use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

    Hello Dan,

    This is a new requirement of the Google Play Store, i.e. new apps should
    target Android API 31. We are preparing a build of LC 9.6.9 RC-1 that among
    other bugfixes includes support for API31 too, it is currently in testing
    and should be good for release very soon. If you are urgently affected
    please contact support and we can offer an interim (test) build to try.

    Kind regards,
    Panos
    --

    On Tue, 9 Aug 2022 at 20:34, Dan Friedman via use-livecode <
    use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

    > I am trying to upload an AAB to Google Play Condole and I am getting this
    > error:
    >
    > "Your app currently targets API level 30 and must target at least API
    > level 31 to ensure it is built on the latest APIs optimized for security
    > and performance. Change your app's target API level to at least 31."
    >
    > I have enabled the "Android 12.0 (S)" SDK (API Level 31) in Android Studio
    > and restarted LC and rebuilt the app.  Still getting the error from Google
    > Play.   Anyone have any ideas as to the LC/Studio settings needed to get
    > Google to accept the app?
    >
    > Thank you in advance!
    > Dan
    >
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From craig at starfirelighting.com  Wed Aug 10 09:51:27 2022
From: craig at starfirelighting.com (Craig Newman)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 09:51:27 -0400
Subject: Datagrid internal error
In-Reply-To: <BC0C36F8-5564-4E24-9B67-564DA5CC4A40@iotecdigital.com>
References: <2981919d-4756-8d31-0a95-d28fdca6b445@researchware.com>
 <0B74C5FE-37CF-4858-A029-E7CE5D65A8AE@iotecdigital.com>
 <F26FA733-31F6-4E70-BE67-0852E7833155@iotecdigital.com>
 <11c91d2d-6351-1459-7087-cd0d07061343@researchware.com>
 <BC0C36F8-5564-4E24-9B67-564DA5CC4A40@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <D146FE4F-C4AB-4A98-863A-154E13B7F89D@starfirelighting.com>

This seems like a fragment of a longer thread, but the “dgText” and the “dgData” are the two methods I use to extract, process and reload the content of a data grid.

Craig

> On Aug 9, 2022, at 11:09 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I believe there is a property you set, after which you programmatically control the population of the datagrid. I am in a hurry so I can't look it up right now, but it is in the datagrid API in livecode lessons. 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Aug 9, 2022, at 05:09 , Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I can only image that the customer entered a name with some characters that Datagrid has a problem with as a column name OR that the shear number of columns (as the customer is working with a very large dataset) exceeds some practical Datagrid limit, but what would that be?
> 
> 
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From klaus at major-k.de  Wed Aug 10 10:59:35 2022
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 16:59:35 +0200
Subject: Getting the visible rect of a stack with fullscreenmode "showall"
Message-ID: <D89134B4-2129-4383-9766-FEA0711E4C45@major-k.de>

Hi all,

the subject says it all...

How can we get the the visible rect of a stack running
on mobile with fullscreenmode "showall"?
Know what I mean?

Thank you for any hint!


Best

Klaus
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https://www.major-k.de
https://www.major-k.de/bass
klaus at major-k.de



From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Aug 10 11:11:00 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 15:11:00 +0000
Subject: Datagrid internal error
In-Reply-To: <D146FE4F-C4AB-4A98-863A-154E13B7F89D@starfirelighting.com>
References: <2981919d-4756-8d31-0a95-d28fdca6b445@researchware.com>
 <0B74C5FE-37CF-4858-A029-E7CE5D65A8AE@iotecdigital.com>
 <F26FA733-31F6-4E70-BE67-0852E7833155@iotecdigital.com>
 <11c91d2d-6351-1459-7087-cd0d07061343@researchware.com>
 <BC0C36F8-5564-4E24-9B67-564DA5CC4A40@iotecdigital.com>
 <D146FE4F-C4AB-4A98-863A-154E13B7F89D@starfirelighting.com>
Message-ID: <499C9C03-5553-4B85-9386-F3BB2D571859@iotecdigital.com>

I was referring to dgNumberOfRecords

	• get the dgNumberOfRecords
	• set the dgNumberOfRecords of group "DataGrid" to 20
	• Getting the dgNumberOfRecords is the same as getting the dgNumberOfLines. Setting the dgNumberOfRecords has a special significance however. If you set the dgNumberOfRecords then you are telling the data grid that you know how many total records there are and you are going to supply the data for each record on an as-needed basis. This is useful when you have data in a database cursor that you would like to feed into the data grid.
After setting this property the data grid will send the GetDataForLine message to the data grid whenever it needs to display data for a particular line. You can define this command in the data grid script or elsewhere in the hierarchy. The definition is as follows:

command GetDataForLine pLine, @pDataA
  
end GetDataForLine

You should fill pDataA with the appropriate data based on the line of data being requested. pDataA should not have a numeric index. It is the array that would be assigned to one of the numeric indexes if you were assigning the dgData property.

Bob S


> On Aug 10, 2022, at 06:51 , Craig Newman via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> This seems like a fragment of a longer thread, but the “dgText” and the “dgData” are the two methods I use to extract, process and reload the content of a data grid.
> 
> Craig
> 
>> On Aug 9, 2022, at 11:09 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I believe there is a property you set, after which you programmatically control the population of the datagrid. I am in a hurry so I can't look it up right now, but it is in the datagrid API in livecode lessons. 
>> 
>> Bob S
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 9, 2022, at 05:09 , Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I can only image that the customer entered a name with some characters that Datagrid has a problem with as a column name OR that the shear number of columns (as the customer is working with a very large dataset) exceeds some practical Datagrid limit, but what would that be?
>> 
>> 
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From brian at milby7.com  Wed Aug 10 11:35:22 2022
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 11:35:22 -0400
Subject: Getting the visible rect of a stack with fullscreenmode "showall"
In-Reply-To: <D89134B4-2129-4383-9766-FEA0711E4C45@major-k.de>
References: <D89134B4-2129-4383-9766-FEA0711E4C45@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <CC7D9FEA-BFE0-4502-8565-BB2C534B8BC2@milby7.com>

Check out this repository:
https://github.com/bwmilby/mobileDemo

It has logging that shows various rects when changing modes.  I can look later to try to give a more concise answer.

Thanks,
Brian

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 10, 2022, at 11:00 AM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> the subject says it all...
> 
> How can we get the the visible rect of a stack running
> on mobile with fullscreenmode "showall"?
> Know what I mean?
> 
> Thank you for any hint!
> 
> 
> Best
> 
> Klaus
> --
> Klaus Major
> https://www.major-k.de
> https://www.major-k.de/bass
> klaus at major-k.de
> 
> 
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From klaus at major-k.de  Wed Aug 10 11:44:03 2022
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 17:44:03 +0200
Subject: Getting the visible rect of a stack with fullscreenmode "showall"
In-Reply-To: <CC7D9FEA-BFE0-4502-8565-BB2C534B8BC2@milby7.com>
References: <D89134B4-2129-4383-9766-FEA0711E4C45@major-k.de>
 <CC7D9FEA-BFE0-4502-8565-BB2C534B8BC2@milby7.com>
Message-ID: <992EC019-21BE-45FD-9A3C-844F3BE597A1@major-k.de>

Hi Brian,

> Am 10.08.2022 um 17:35 schrieb Brian Milby via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Check out this repository:
> https://github.com/bwmilby/mobileDemo
> 
> It has logging that shows various rects when changing modes.  I can look later to try to give a more concise answer.

ah, yes, "the effectiver working screenrect"! 8-)

Will take a deeper look at your stack later, thanks!

> Thanks,
> Brian

Best

Klaus

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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Aug 10 12:04:22 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 16:04:22 +0000
Subject: Getting the visible rect of a stack with fullscreenmode "showall"
In-Reply-To: <992EC019-21BE-45FD-9A3C-844F3BE597A1@major-k.de>
References: <D89134B4-2129-4383-9766-FEA0711E4C45@major-k.de>
 <CC7D9FEA-BFE0-4502-8565-BB2C534B8BC2@milby7.com>
 <992EC019-21BE-45FD-9A3C-844F3BE597A1@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <85D09ECC-2265-4B3F-8D0C-BCF1CBB3A9C0@iotecdigital.com>

Wait, there is a more effectiver working screenrect than the effective one?? ;-P

Bob S


> On Aug 10, 2022, at 08:44 , Klaus major-k via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> ah, yes, "the effectiver working screenrect"! 8-)



From klaus at major-k.de  Wed Aug 10 12:07:44 2022
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 18:07:44 +0200
Subject: iPhone simulators
Message-ID: <700D60BB-911D-499B-8BD9-6BC7A7442A78@major-k.de>

Hi all,

we can open several different iPhone and iPad simulators on the Mac via Xcode.

However in the "Test Target" menu of LC we only see one generic "iPhone Simulator 15.2"
resp. "iPad Simulator 15.2".

Is there a way to select one of the open simulators directly?
Know what I mean? Thanks in advance!


Best

Klaus
--
Klaus Major
https://www.major-k.de
https://www.major-k.de/bass
klaus at major-k.de



From klaus at major-k.de  Wed Aug 10 12:08:32 2022
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 18:08:32 +0200
Subject: Getting the visible rect of a stack with fullscreenmode "showall"
In-Reply-To: <85D09ECC-2265-4B3F-8D0C-BCF1CBB3A9C0@iotecdigital.com>
References: <D89134B4-2129-4383-9766-FEA0711E4C45@major-k.de>
 <CC7D9FEA-BFE0-4502-8565-BB2C534B8BC2@milby7.com>
 <992EC019-21BE-45FD-9A3C-844F3BE597A1@major-k.de>
 <85D09ECC-2265-4B3F-8D0C-BCF1CBB3A9C0@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CCF55103-20C6-4BEC-833B-799BA53FBAC4@major-k.de>

Hi Bob,

> Am 10.08.2022 um 18:04 schrieb Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Wait, there is a more effectiver working screenrect than the effective one?? ;-P

yes, but it is R-rated! 8-)

> Bob S
> 
>> On Aug 10, 2022, at 08:44 , Klaus major-k via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> ah, yes, "the effectiver working screenrect"! 8-)

Best

Klaus

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https://www.major-k.de/bass
klaus at major-k.de



From panos.merakos at livecode.com  Wed Aug 10 12:11:01 2022
From: panos.merakos at livecode.com (panagiotis merakos)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 19:11:01 +0300
Subject: [ANN] Release 9.6.9 RC-1
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq-xHRk_X-XK6GVOpqbLkxyQiotbgfwVAmqy9WjR6kwG4A@mail.gmail.com>

Dear list members,

We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.9 RC-1.

LiveCode 9.6.9 RC-1 comes with more than 30 bugfixes, including support for
Android API 31, which is now a requirement for submitting new apps to the
Google Play Store.

You can find more details on the bug fixes and improvements of this new
release here:

https://livecode.com/android-api-31-support/

Note: This maintenance pre-release will break from convention slightly in
that there will definitely be an RC-2 with further bug fixes. This RC-1
release is being made due to the change in API level requirement for the
Play Store recently made by Google.

You can find the release in your LiveCode account area or get it via the
automatic updater.

Enjoy!

Kind regards
The LiveCode Team

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From merakosp at gmail.com  Wed Aug 10 12:28:22 2022
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis m)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 19:28:22 +0300
Subject: iPhone simulators
In-Reply-To: <700D60BB-911D-499B-8BD9-6BC7A7442A78@major-k.de>
References: <700D60BB-911D-499B-8BD9-6BC7A7442A78@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq9Xm4Nwysjx5qVt-zmYG38dP=HROzamw+xKUCA-dLbCsw@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Klaus,

The suggested approach is to make sure the desired simulator device is
already up and running. And then, in the Test Target menu, choose "iPhone
Simulator 15.2" or ""iPad Simulator 15.2", and click Test.

PS: To change a device, click on the Simulator app menu Hardware -> Device
-> iPhone X.Y etc

Note this might be slightly different depending on the version of your
Simulator app, which depends on the Xcode version, which depends on your
MacOS version :)

Cheers,
Panos

On Wed, 10 Aug 2022 at 19:08, Klaus major-k via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> we can open several different iPhone and iPad simulators on the Mac via
> Xcode.
>
> However in the "Test Target" menu of LC we only see one generic "iPhone
> Simulator 15.2"
> resp. "iPad Simulator 15.2".
>
> Is there a way to select one of the open simulators directly?
> Know what I mean? Thanks in advance!
>
>
> Best
>
> Klaus
> --
> Klaus Major
> https://www.major-k.de
> https://www.major-k.de/bass
> klaus at major-k.de
>
>
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From klaus at major-k.de  Wed Aug 10 12:38:36 2022
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 18:38:36 +0200
Subject: iPhone simulators
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq9Xm4Nwysjx5qVt-zmYG38dP=HROzamw+xKUCA-dLbCsw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <700D60BB-911D-499B-8BD9-6BC7A7442A78@major-k.de>
 <CA+JfEq9Xm4Nwysjx5qVt-zmYG38dP=HROzamw+xKUCA-dLbCsw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AF909224-1952-46F7-A0EE-98AE7B3CEA9E@major-k.de>

Hi Panos,

> Am 10.08.2022 um 18:28 schrieb panagiotis m via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Hello Klaus,
> 
> The suggested approach is to make sure the desired simulator device is
> already up and running. And then, in the Test Target menu, choose "iPhone
> Simulator 15.2" or ""iPad Simulator 15.2", and click Test.
> 
> PS: To change a device, click on the Simulator app menu Hardware -> Device
> -> iPhone X.Y etc

yes, I know this, that was not my question.

Supposed I opened two iPhone simulators (macOS 12.5, Xcode 13.2.1) in the simulator app,
in the LC menu there is only ONE entry named "iPhone Simulator 15.2".

My question is if we can test the app in one of the two simulators directly?
Means can we specifically address one of the open simulators?

Does not seem possible in the moment...
Looks like only the first opened simulator is being addressed by LC.

> Note this might be slightly different depending on the version of your
> Simulator app, which depends on the Xcode version, which depends on your
> MacOS version :)

Go figure!? 8-)

> Cheers,
> Panos
> 
> On Wed, 10 Aug 2022 at 19:08, Klaus major-k via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> we can open several different iPhone and iPad simulators on the Mac via
>> Xcode.
>> 
>> However in the "Test Target" menu of LC we only see one generic "iPhone
>> Simulator 15.2" resp. "iPad Simulator 15.2".
>> 
>> Is there a way to select one of the open simulators directly?
>> Know what I mean? Thanks in advance!

Best

Klaus

--
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https://www.major-k.de
https://www.major-k.de/bass
klaus at major-k.de



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Aug 10 13:23:57 2022
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 12:23:57 -0500
Subject: iPhone simulators
In-Reply-To: <AF909224-1952-46F7-A0EE-98AE7B3CEA9E@major-k.de>
References: <700D60BB-911D-499B-8BD9-6BC7A7442A78@major-k.de>
 <CA+JfEq9Xm4Nwysjx5qVt-zmYG38dP=HROzamw+xKUCA-dLbCsw@mail.gmail.com>
 <AF909224-1952-46F7-A0EE-98AE7B3CEA9E@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <18288c8cbc8.27a5.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>

If I remember right you can have an iPhone and an iPad simulator open at 
the same time and choose between them, but if you want two of the same type 
then it doesn't work.

--
Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
On August 10, 2022 11:39:54 AM Klaus major-k via use-livecode
>
> Does not seem possible in the moment...
> Looks like only the first opened simulator is being addressed by LC.




From klaus at major-k.de  Wed Aug 10 13:30:55 2022
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 19:30:55 +0200
Subject: iPhone simulators
In-Reply-To: <18288c8cbc8.27a5.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <700D60BB-911D-499B-8BD9-6BC7A7442A78@major-k.de>
 <CA+JfEq9Xm4Nwysjx5qVt-zmYG38dP=HROzamw+xKUCA-dLbCsw@mail.gmail.com>
 <AF909224-1952-46F7-A0EE-98AE7B3CEA9E@major-k.de>
 <18288c8cbc8.27a5.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <07EC9DFE-FB02-457A-A79C-1AE689BEEBB3@major-k.de>

Hi Jaques,

> Am 10.08.2022 um 19:23 schrieb J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> If I remember right you can have an iPhone and an iPad simulator open at the same time and choose between them, but if you want two of the same type then it doesn't work.

yep, came to the same conclusion.
A good candidate for an "enhancement request". :-)

> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> On August 10, 2022 11:39:54 AM Klaus major-k via use-livecode
>> 
>> Does not seem possible in the moment...
>> Looks like only the first opened simulator is being addressed by LC.

Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
https://www.major-k.de
https://www.major-k.de/bass
klaus at major-k.de



From brian at milby7.com  Wed Aug 10 13:56:20 2022
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 13:56:20 -0400
Subject: Getting the visible rect of a stack with fullscreenmode "showall"
In-Reply-To: <CCF55103-20C6-4BEC-833B-799BA53FBAC4@major-k.de>
References: <CCF55103-20C6-4BEC-833B-799BA53FBAC4@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <102727ED-63C1-4F6D-B0DC-3C0B008E6A2E@milby7.com>

The handler you probably need to look at is in card 1002 (index) called setBackground (line 104).  The effective working screenrect is going to report device pixels.  To actually know the relative rect from the card’s perspective you have to translate to the card coordinates.  I may not have used the most efficient method, but you should be able to follow it.

Thanks,
Brian

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 10, 2022, at 12:08 PM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Bob,
> 
>> Am 10.08.2022 um 18:04 schrieb Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>> 
>> Wait, there is a more effectiver working screenrect than the effective one?? ;-P
> 
> yes, but it is R-rated! 8-)
> 
>> Bob S
>> 
>>>> On Aug 10, 2022, at 08:44 , Klaus major-k via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> ah, yes, "the effectiver working screenrect"! 8-)
> 
> Best
> 
> Klaus
> 
> --
> Klaus Major
> https://www.major-k.de
> https://www.major-k.de/bass
> klaus at major-k.de
> 
> 
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Aug 10 16:14:44 2022
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 15:14:44 -0500
Subject: Windows standalone settings
Message-ID: <fe3c092e-8edf-2a91-d8b2-40ee8c154dad@hyperactivesw.com>

Does anyone still build for Windows x86 or is x86-64 sufficient now?

Also, what UAC execution level do you set? Default, highest avialable, etc.?

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From paul at researchware.com  Wed Aug 10 16:23:45 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 16:23:45 -0400
Subject: Windows standalone settings
In-Reply-To: <fe3c092e-8edf-2a91-d8b2-40ee8c154dad@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <fe3c092e-8edf-2a91-d8b2-40ee8c154dad@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <5849fd1e-665f-5089-118c-1cd11079909c@researchware.com>

On 8/10/2022 4:14 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
> Does anyone still build for Windows x86 or is x86-64 sufficient now?
>
> Also, what UAC execution level do you set? Default, highest avialable, 
> etc.?
>

I still build for 32 bit windows as it still works and is the lowest 
common denominator - it works on all windows systems. I leave the UAC at 
Default for our apps but Admin for our Installer (built in Livecode like 
our apps)


From paul at researchware.com  Wed Aug 10 16:27:26 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 16:27:26 -0400
Subject: Datagrid internal error
In-Reply-To: <499C9C03-5553-4B85-9386-F3BB2D571859@iotecdigital.com>
References: <2981919d-4756-8d31-0a95-d28fdca6b445@researchware.com>
 <0B74C5FE-37CF-4858-A029-E7CE5D65A8AE@iotecdigital.com>
 <F26FA733-31F6-4E70-BE67-0852E7833155@iotecdigital.com>
 <11c91d2d-6351-1459-7087-cd0d07061343@researchware.com>
 <BC0C36F8-5564-4E24-9B67-564DA5CC4A40@iotecdigital.com>
 <D146FE4F-C4AB-4A98-863A-154E13B7F89D@starfirelighting.com>
 <499C9C03-5553-4B85-9386-F3BB2D571859@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <84758463-64dd-324b-9cf0-511cfe09ef0a@researchware.com>

I'm sorry, I don;t see what setting the dgData or dgText or 
dgNuberofRecords has to do with my original post - I get an internal 
Datagird script error when setting the names of the columns (see 
original post)

On 8/10/2022 11:11 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
> I was referring to dgNumberOfRecords
>
> 	 get the dgNumberOfRecords
> 	 set the dgNumberOfRecords of group "DataGrid" to 20
> 	 Getting the dgNumberOfRecords is the same as getting the dgNumberOfLines. Setting the dgNumberOfRecords has a special significance however. If you set the dgNumberOfRecords then you are telling the data grid that you know how many total records there are and you are going to supply the data for each record on an as-needed basis. This is useful when you have data in a database cursor that you would like to feed into the data grid.
> After setting this property the data grid will send the GetDataForLine message to the data grid whenever it needs to display data for a particular line. You can define this command in the data grid script or elsewhere in the hierarchy. The definition is as follows:
>
> command GetDataForLine pLine, @pDataA
>    
> end GetDataForLine
>
> You should fill pDataA with the appropriate data based on the line of data being requested. pDataA should not have a numeric index. It is the array that would be assigned to one of the numeric indexes if you were assigning the dgData property.
>
> Bob S
>
>
>> On Aug 10, 2022, at 06:51 , Craig Newman via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> This seems like a fragment of a longer thread, but the dgText and the dgData are the two methods I use to extract, process and reload the content of a data grid.
>>
>> Craig
>>
>>> On Aug 9, 2022, at 11:09 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I believe there is a property you set, after which you programmatically control the population of the datagrid. I am in a hurry so I can't look it up right now, but it is in the datagrid API in livecode lessons.
>>>
>>> Bob S
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Aug 9, 2022, at 05:09 , Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I can only image that the customer entered a name with some characters that Datagrid has a problem with as a column name OR that the shear number of columns (as the customer is working with a very large dataset) exceeds some practical Datagrid limit, but what would that be?
>>>
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From mark at canelasoftware.com  Wed Aug 10 16:41:48 2022
From: mark at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 13:41:48 -0700
Subject: [ANN] Release 9.6.9 RC-1
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq-xHRk_X-XK6GVOpqbLkxyQiotbgfwVAmqy9WjR6kwG4A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+JfEq-xHRk_X-XK6GVOpqbLkxyQiotbgfwVAmqy9WjR6kwG4A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C5A6A2EF-9F4B-48FD-90FF-841488B79AF8@canelasoftware.com>


> On Aug 10, 2022, at 9:11 AM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Dear list members,
> 
> We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.9 RC-1.
> 
> LiveCode 9.6.9 RC-1 comes with more than 30 bugfixes, including support for
> Android API 31, which is now a requirement for submitting new apps to the
> Google Play Store.
> 
> You can find more details on the bug fixes and improvements of this new
> release here:
> 
> https://livecode.com/android-api-31-support/
> 
> Note: This maintenance pre-release will break from convention slightly in
> that there will definitely be an RC-2 with further bug fixes. This RC-1
> release is being made due to the change in API level requirement for the
> Play Store recently made by Google.
> 
> You can find the release in your LiveCode account area or get it via the
> automatic updater.
> 
> Enjoy!
> 
> Kind regards
> The LiveCode Team


Thank you for this update.


Best regards,
Mark Talluto


appli.io <https://appli.io/>
livecloud.io <https://livecloud.io/>
nursenotes.net <https://nursenotes.net/>
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Aug 10 16:57:18 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 20:57:18 +0000
Subject: Datagrid internal error
In-Reply-To: <84758463-64dd-324b-9cf0-511cfe09ef0a@researchware.com>
References: <2981919d-4756-8d31-0a95-d28fdca6b445@researchware.com>
 <0B74C5FE-37CF-4858-A029-E7CE5D65A8AE@iotecdigital.com>
 <F26FA733-31F6-4E70-BE67-0852E7833155@iotecdigital.com>
 <11c91d2d-6351-1459-7087-cd0d07061343@researchware.com>
 <BC0C36F8-5564-4E24-9B67-564DA5CC4A40@iotecdigital.com>
 <D146FE4F-C4AB-4A98-863A-154E13B7F89D@starfirelighting.com>
 <499C9C03-5553-4B85-9386-F3BB2D571859@iotecdigital.com>
 <84758463-64dd-324b-9cf0-511cfe09ef0a@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <A7831160-EB11-4535-A20E-3B3F1446999B@iotecdigital.com>

Well the question came up if there was some limit on the number of records, and controlling the population of the datagrid would solve that. As far as the number of columns, I suspect there may be a limit on the number of *displayed* columns, and probably an issue with what characters are allowed for column names. Those things I am unsure of. 

Is it necessary to display *all* the data in the array, or can you use the datagrid as a sort of index to an array that is in memory, only populating the columns you need? 

The datagrid library is not protected, so if your app in the IDE throws an error and drops you into the datagrid library script in the debugger (mine does), then you can poke around in the debugger to see where things are going awry. 

Bob S


> On Aug 10, 2022, at 13:27 , Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I'm sorry, I don;t see what setting the dgData or dgText or dgNuberofRecords has to do with my original post - I get an internal Datagird script error when setting the names of the columns (see original post)



From craig at starfirelighting.com  Wed Aug 10 16:57:23 2022
From: craig at starfirelighting.com (Craig Newman)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 16:57:23 -0400
Subject: Datagrid internal error
In-Reply-To: <D146FE4F-C4AB-4A98-863A-154E13B7F89D@starfirelighting.com>
References: <2981919d-4756-8d31-0a95-d28fdca6b445@researchware.com>
 <0B74C5FE-37CF-4858-A029-E7CE5D65A8AE@iotecdigital.com>
 <F26FA733-31F6-4E70-BE67-0852E7833155@iotecdigital.com>
 <11c91d2d-6351-1459-7087-cd0d07061343@researchware.com>
 <BC0C36F8-5564-4E24-9B67-564DA5CC4A40@iotecdigital.com>
 <D146FE4F-C4AB-4A98-863A-154E13B7F89D@starfirelighting.com>
Message-ID: <F28F33B9-C9DC-4950-AC00-3F9850BDAFC7@starfirelighting.com>

Paul.

All I saw was this:

"I believe there is a property you set, after which you programmatically control the population of the datagrid. I am in a hurry so I can't look it up right now, but it is in the datagrid API in livecode lessons. 

Which is why I mentioned that the bulk of the thread must not have come to me.

Craig

From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Aug 10 16:58:53 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 20:58:53 +0000
Subject: Windows standalone settings
In-Reply-To: <fe3c092e-8edf-2a91-d8b2-40ee8c154dad@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <fe3c092e-8edf-2a91-d8b2-40ee8c154dad@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <FE31BE0A-6D6D-406D-B3BE-1717BC7833E5@iotecdigital.com>

I do only because I have a special case where I grabbled a 32 bit windows PC to serve mySQL and Spiceworks, and to host my SQL Socket Agent. 

Bob S


> On Aug 10, 2022, at 13:14 , J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Does anyone still build for Windows x86 or is x86-64 sufficient now?
> 
> Also, what UAC execution level do you set? Default, highest avialable, etc.?
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> 
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From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Wed Aug 10 17:02:43 2022
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 16:02:43 -0500
Subject: Datagrid internal error
In-Reply-To: <005401d8ab4d$bbd48c10$337da430$@net>
References: <2981919d-4756-8d31-0a95-d28fdca6b445@researchware.com>
 <60e95862-61d7-4a07-2423-b77b10afc68f@researchware.com>
 <005401d8ab4d$bbd48c10$337da430$@net>
Message-ID: <CAHg3tG9MWSvRO1ZdSk-R_4gYL+XyX2T34chW1y-KARxEkDccUQ@mail.gmail.com>

32,767 is the max for width as well. If there are enough columns it is
possible that the DataGrid is rendering a group that exceeds this limit and
hence the error. The DataGrid works around the limit when rendering rows,
but not when rendering columns.

I suppose a quick test would be to create a DataGrid with 330 columns that
are at least 100 pixels wide and see if you get the same error.

-- 
Trevor DeVore
ScreenSteps

On Mon, Aug 8, 2022 at 12:36 PM Ralph DiMola via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Paul,
>
> The max height of a field is 32,767 pixels. This can be hard to quantify
> especially on mobile with the cornucopia of screen resolutions. I would
> imagine that this limit also applies to groups as well. I got bit on this
> when the app worked in the IDE but failed on some devices.
>
> Ralph DiMola
> IT Director
> Evergreen Information Services
> rdimola at evergreeninfo.net
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On
> Behalf
> Of Paul Dupuis via use-livecode
> Sent: Monday, August 08, 2022 12:39 PM
> To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Cc: Paul Dupuis
> Subject: Re: Datagrid internal error
>
> On 8/8/2022 12:26 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
> > A customer encountered the following execution error (below) in our
> > app (built on Livecode 9.6.7, MacOS 12.5). This error is occurring in
> > the scrips for the Datagrid itself, rather than our code. At the end,
> > it is one of our handler, "populateMe", where line 139 is where the
> > error starts.
> > Line 139 set the dgProp["columns"] of grp "rwMatrixObj_DataGrid" to
> > tColumnNames
> >
>
> For example, some information from the customer suggest they are working
> with a VERY large dataset, so the length of the list in TColumnNames could
> be quit long - perhaps hundreds of lines. Is there a practical limit on the
> number of columns a Datagrid can be set to?
>
>
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From paul at researchware.com  Wed Aug 10 17:14:44 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 17:14:44 -0400
Subject: Datagrid internal error
In-Reply-To: <A7831160-EB11-4535-A20E-3B3F1446999B@iotecdigital.com>
References: <2981919d-4756-8d31-0a95-d28fdca6b445@researchware.com>
 <0B74C5FE-37CF-4858-A029-E7CE5D65A8AE@iotecdigital.com>
 <F26FA733-31F6-4E70-BE67-0852E7833155@iotecdigital.com>
 <11c91d2d-6351-1459-7087-cd0d07061343@researchware.com>
 <BC0C36F8-5564-4E24-9B67-564DA5CC4A40@iotecdigital.com>
 <D146FE4F-C4AB-4A98-863A-154E13B7F89D@starfirelighting.com>
 <499C9C03-5553-4B85-9386-F3BB2D571859@iotecdigital.com>
 <84758463-64dd-324b-9cf0-511cfe09ef0a@researchware.com>
 <A7831160-EB11-4535-A20E-3B3F1446999B@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <33771d06-f7ea-8b67-f7e0-22a841b52c70@researchware.com>

I do appreciate the responses. My question was not about the number of 
records, but about the number of COLUMNS and whether there is any 
practical or known limit.

When my code is setting the column names, that list comes from customer 
entered data. I know that each name is less than 255 characters and 
restricts entry of certain characters (previously listed) such as comma, 
[ ], etc. How many names is unknown.

In this specific case of the error I reported, the customer is not in a 
position to be able to help much (if at all). Since it is customer data 
dependent, we are not able to reproduce the error in the IDE. SO my very 
specific questions was: Has any one seen an error like the one I 
reported (copied again below) OR know of any issues/limits when setting 
the dgProp["columns"] property of a Datagrid?

A customer encountered the following execution error (below) in our app 
(built on Livecode 9.6.7, MacOS 12.5). This error is occurring in the 
scripts for the Datagrid itself, rather than our code. At the end, it is 
one of our handler, "populateMe", where line 139 is where the error starts.

Line 139 set the dgProp["columns"] of grp "rwMatrixObj_DataGrid" to 
tColumnNames

tColumnNames is a variable containing a list of text lines that are 
customer entered column names, so they could be ANYTHING (up to 255 
chars, no control characters, including DEL (127)) that a user could 
type or paste into a field, including words in any language using Unicode.

As the executionContexts data does not contain the actual values of the 
variable tColumnNames when the error occurs, does ANYONE have any idea 
what tColumnNames might contain that could produce the error(s) show below?

Technical information:
Property: value is not a number: (Line 11, column 1)
Object: can't set object property: (Line 11, column 5)
set: can't set property: (Line 11, column 1)
Handler: error in statement: LayoutControl (Line 11, column 1)
Object ID: stack "RevDataGridLibraryBehaviorsDefaultHeaderButtonBehavior"
-
repeat: error in statement: (Line 5066, column 1)
Handler: error in statement: _table.ResizeHeaders (Line 5052, column 1)
Object ID: stack "RevDataGridLibraryBehaviorsDataGridButtonBehavior"
-
Handler: error in statement: _table.ResizeColumns (Line 4967, column 1)
Object ID: stack "RevDataGridLibraryBehaviorsDataGridButtonBehavior"
-
Handler: error in statement: _table.CreateColumns (Line 4737, column 1)
Object ID: stack "RevDataGridLibraryBehaviorsDataGridButtonBehavior"
-
Handler: error in statement: _table.RegenerateColumns (Line 4538, column 1)
Object ID: stack "RevDataGridLibraryBehaviorsDataGridButtonBehavior"
-
switch: error in statement: (Line 6150, column 1)
Handler: error in statement: dgProps (Line 5553, column 1)
Object ID: stack "RevDataGridLibraryBehaviorsDataGridButtonBehavior"
-
set: can't set property: (Line 5529, column 1)
Handler: error in statement: dgProp (Line 5529, column 1)
Object ID: stack "RevDataGridLibraryBehaviorsDataGridButtonBehavior"
-
set: can't set property: (Line 139, column 1)
if-then: error in statement: (Line 139, column 1)
Handler: error in statement: populateMe (Line 138, column 1)
Object: group "Table" of card "FrequencyReport" of stack "FreqReport.rwtl"
Object ID: group id 1162 of card id 1002 of stack 
"/Applications/HyperRESEARCH 4.5.4/Components/Tools/FreqReport.rwtl"



From paul at researchware.com  Wed Aug 10 17:15:25 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 17:15:25 -0400
Subject: Datagrid internal error
In-Reply-To: <CAHg3tG9MWSvRO1ZdSk-R_4gYL+XyX2T34chW1y-KARxEkDccUQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2981919d-4756-8d31-0a95-d28fdca6b445@researchware.com>
 <60e95862-61d7-4a07-2423-b77b10afc68f@researchware.com>
 <005401d8ab4d$bbd48c10$337da430$@net>
 <CAHg3tG9MWSvRO1ZdSk-R_4gYL+XyX2T34chW1y-KARxEkDccUQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <21ce9be5-0360-1ca5-5135-efc26d37016c@researchware.com>

On 8/10/2022 5:02 PM, Trevor DeVore via use-livecode wrote:
> 32,767 is the max for width as well. If there are enough columns it is
> possible that the DataGrid is rendering a group that exceeds this limit and
> hence the error. The DataGrid works around the limit when rendering rows,
> but not when rendering columns.
>
> I suppose a quick test would be to create a DataGrid with 330 columns that
> are at least 100 pixels wide and see if you get the same error.
>

Thank you!



From sean at pidigital.co.uk  Wed Aug 10 23:45:22 2022
From: sean at pidigital.co.uk (Sean Cole)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 04:45:22 +0100
Subject: Email via IMAP with HTML body from a template
Message-ID: <CABRqQSRadss+-jmj32i=04hTs=MsLKHwFL-8Thm5gNwBmVEzzw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I'm struggling with this still. It's been years (since before Dec 2020) and
I just can't get my head around it.

I have a template created in Dreamweaver that is a simple bit of HTML body
with CSS styling embedded (https://pidigital.co.uk/DeepDiveReport.html).
There is also a pdf that needs to be attached.

How do I use MimeEncodeAsMIMEMultipartDocument to make it ready to send via
tsNetSmtpSync?

There are zero tutorials and the dictionary is devoid of any useful
information on how to use it. Google turned up nothing. In my previous
request back in 2020, Monte, the author of the MIME library, had only
referred me on to the RSC docs for MIME which is like looking for a straw
in a needle stack. When I asked at one of the 'Firesides' I was told just
to use a template and send it. But to send it, it needs to be encoded and
that's the bit that is undocumented anywhere.

Any help appreciated.

From tom at makeshyft.com  Thu Aug 11 00:38:10 2022
From: tom at makeshyft.com (Tom Glod)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 00:38:10 -0400
Subject: Email via IMAP with HTML body from a template
In-Reply-To: <CABRqQSRadss+-jmj32i=04hTs=MsLKHwFL-8Thm5gNwBmVEzzw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABRqQSRadss+-jmj32i=04hTs=MsLKHwFL-8Thm5gNwBmVEzzw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPzQJL+2Rj6yer545=_wWMd3U5xoynjZXNOTu_SJyjSKcVWJ+g@mail.gmail.com>

Sean,

Try this ..

edit the script of stack "com.livecode.library.mime"

there seems to be some documentation there that may help.

I also found this

https://livecode.fandom.com/wiki/MimeEncodeAsMIMEMultipartDocument

Is that your comment? :)

Hope that helps a bit.



On Wed, Aug 10, 2022 at 11:46 PM Sean Cole via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I'm struggling with this still. It's been years (since before Dec 2020) and
> I just can't get my head around it.
>
> I have a template created in Dreamweaver that is a simple bit of HTML body
> with CSS styling embedded (https://pidigital.co.uk/DeepDiveReport.html).
> There is also a pdf that needs to be attached.
>
> How do I use MimeEncodeAsMIMEMultipartDocument to make it ready to send via
> tsNetSmtpSync?
>
> There are zero tutorials and the dictionary is devoid of any useful
> information on how to use it. Google turned up nothing. In my previous
> request back in 2020, Monte, the author of the MIME library, had only
> referred me on to the RSC docs for MIME which is like looking for a straw
> in a needle stack. When I asked at one of the 'Firesides' I was told just
> to use a template and send it. But to send it, it needs to be encoded and
> that's the bit that is undocumented anywhere.
>
> Any help appreciated.
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>

From sean at pidigital.co.uk  Thu Aug 11 01:11:38 2022
From: sean at pidigital.co.uk (Sean Cole)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 06:11:38 +0100
Subject: Email via IMAP with HTML body from a template
In-Reply-To: <CAPzQJL+2Rj6yer545=_wWMd3U5xoynjZXNOTu_SJyjSKcVWJ+g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABRqQSRadss+-jmj32i=04hTs=MsLKHwFL-8Thm5gNwBmVEzzw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAPzQJL+2Rj6yer545=_wWMd3U5xoynjZXNOTu_SJyjSKcVWJ+g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABRqQSSdWveCQrUiSdErcgjxiTUU2ZRmhiK7iVh8c0wpcPkkVg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Tom,

The doc in the script is the same that comes up in the dictionary. No help
when it comes to actually following a series of instructions that are
needed to send an HTML email via tsNetSmtpSync. Basically, it only tells
you the syntax, but with no help on even a few of the necessary parameters
you would need to use to make proper use of it. It's like being handed the
space shuttle and told "there you are, work it out for yourself"!

That is my comment on Fandom. The same I asked of Monte. Neither he nor
anyone else wants to answer those questions it would seem.

pContentA: How do we pre-encode parts including headers?
pMultipartType: What MultiPart types are there?
pParamA: What kind of parameters does ParamA take?

The formatting we get from converting a field to mime
(MimeEncodeFieldAsMimeMultipartDocument - a ridiculously long command name
btw) is horrendous. It's practically unusable, hence why I NEED to find a
way to send HTML by email on behalf of our clients.

On Thu, 11 Aug 2022 at 05:38, Tom Glod via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Sean,
>
> Try this ..
>
> edit the script of stack "com.livecode.library.mime"
>
> there seems to be some documentation there that may help.
>
> I also found this
>
> https://livecode.fandom.com/wiki/MimeEncodeAsMIMEMultipartDocument
>
> Is that your comment? :)
>
> Hope that helps a bit.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 10, 2022 at 11:46 PM Sean Cole via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I'm struggling with this still. It's been years (since before Dec 2020)
> and
> > I just can't get my head around it.
> >
> > I have a template created in Dreamweaver that is a simple bit of HTML
> body
> > with CSS styling embedded (https://pidigital.co.uk/DeepDiveReport.html).
> > There is also a pdf that needs to be attached.
> >
> > How do I use MimeEncodeAsMIMEMultipartDocument to make it ready to send
> via
> > tsNetSmtpSync?
> >
> > There are zero tutorials and the dictionary is devoid of any useful
> > information on how to use it. Google turned up nothing. In my previous
> > request back in 2020, Monte, the author of the MIME library, had only
> > referred me on to the RSC docs for MIME which is like looking for a straw
> > in a needle stack. When I asked at one of the 'Firesides' I was told just
> > to use a template and send it. But to send it, it needs to be encoded and
> > that's the bit that is undocumented anywhere.
> >
> > Any help appreciated.
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >
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> subscription preferences:
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From charles at techstrategies.com.au  Thu Aug 11 01:45:09 2022
From: charles at techstrategies.com.au (Charles Warwick)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 15:45:09 +1000
Subject: Email via IMAP with HTML body from a template
Message-ID: <C69434C1-A162-477B-8096-8BAF4DC53143@techstrategies.com.au>

Hi Sean,

There is a sample stack on my website for sending an e-mail with an attachment using the MIME library here:

https://downloads.techstrategies.com.au/tsnet/smtpexample.livecode

Does that help at all,

Regards,

Charles

> On 11 Aug 2022, at 2:39 pm, Tom Glod via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Sean,
> 
> Try this ..
> 
> edit the script of stack "com.livecode.library.mime"
> 
> there seems to be some documentation there that may help.
> 
> I also found this
> 
> https://livecode.fandom.com/wiki/MimeEncodeAsMIMEMultipartDocument
> 
> Is that your comment? :)
> 
> Hope that helps a bit.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Wed, Aug 10, 2022 at 11:46 PM Sean Cole via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> I'm struggling with this still. It's been years (since before Dec 2020) and
>> I just can't get my head around it.
>> I have a template created in Dreamweaver that is a simple bit of HTML body
>> with CSS styling embedded (https://pidigital.co.uk/DeepDiveReport.html).
>> There is also a pdf that needs to be attached.
>> How do I use MimeEncodeAsMIMEMultipartDocument to make it ready to send via
>> tsNetSmtpSync?
>> There are zero tutorials and the dictionary is devoid of any useful
>> information on how to use it. Google turned up nothing. In my previous
>> request back in 2020, Monte, the author of the MIME library, had only
>> referred me on to the RSC docs for MIME which is like looking for a straw
>> in a needle stack. When I asked at one of the 'Firesides' I was told just
>> to use a template and send it. But to send it, it needs to be encoded and
>> that's the bit that is undocumented anywhere.
>> Any help appreciated.
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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From sean at pidigital.co.uk  Thu Aug 11 02:10:08 2022
From: sean at pidigital.co.uk (Pi Digital)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 07:10:08 +0100
Subject: Email via IMAP with HTML body from a template
In-Reply-To: <C69434C1-A162-477B-8096-8BAF4DC53143@techstrategies.com.au>
References: <C69434C1-A162-477B-8096-8BAF4DC53143@techstrategies.com.au>
Message-ID: <D2BDC61F-C28E-4258-9C19-182817AFF2E6@pidigital.co.uk>

Hi Charles

I know how to add an attachment because there are tutorials on this. That is already being implemented. My question is on how to add in proper html body for the content. Does your stack show how to do that?

Sean

> On 11 Aug 2022, at 06:45, Charles Warwick via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Sean,
> 
> There is a sample stack on my website for sending an e-mail with an attachment using the MIME library here:
> 
> https://downloads.techstrategies.com.au/tsnet/smtpexample.livecode
> 
> Does that help at all,
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Charles


From charles at techstrategies.com.au  Thu Aug 11 02:16:03 2022
From: charles at techstrategies.com.au (Charles Warwick)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 16:16:03 +1000
Subject: Email via IMAP with HTML body from a template
In-Reply-To: <C69434C1-A162-477B-8096-8BAF4DC53143@techstrategies.com.au>
References: <C69434C1-A162-477B-8096-8BAF4DC53143@techstrategies.com.au>
Message-ID: <0C99BEF1-2C2C-4583-8E74-B6AFA0803E6E@techstrategies.com.au>

Hi Sean,

After reading your second e-mail, I see that you don't want to use mimeEncodeFieldAsMIMEMultipartDocument to generate the HTML version of the e-mail body from a field as it does in that sample stack.

If you want to create your own HTML and plain text versions of the e-mail body, you can still use that sample stack.  Simply replace the following line:

put mimeEncodeFieldAsMIMEMultipartDocument(the long id of field "email_message") into tBody

With something like this:

put “Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8” & crlf into tHeadersPlain
put “Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable” after tHeadersPlain
put “<Plain Text Version Here>” into tBodyPlain
put tHeadersPlain & crlf & crlf & \
mimeEncodeForMIMETransfer(tBodyPlain, “quoted-printable”) into tContent[1]

put “Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8” & crlf into tHeadersHTML
put “Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable” after tHeadersHTML
put “<HTML Version Here>” into tBodyHTML
put tHeadersHTML & crlf & crlf & \
mimeEncodeForMIMETransfer(tBodyHTML, “quoted-printable”) into tContent[2]

put mimeEncodeAsMIMEMultipartDocument(tContent, “alernative”)

Hope that helps,

Regards,

Charles

> On 11 Aug 2022, at 3:46 pm, Charles Warwick <charles at techstrategies.com.au> wrote:
> 
> Hi Sean,
> 
> There is a sample stack on my website for sending an e-mail with an attachment using the MIME library here:
> 
> https://downloads.techstrategies.com.au/tsnet/smtpexample.livecode
> 
> Does that help at all,
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Charles
> 
>> On 11 Aug 2022, at 2:39 pm, Tom Glod via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Sean,
>> 
>> Try this ..
>> 
>> edit the script of stack "com.livecode.library.mime"
>> 
>> there seems to be some documentation there that may help.
>> 
>> I also found this
>> 
>> https://livecode.fandom.com/wiki/MimeEncodeAsMIMEMultipartDocument
>> 
>> Is that your comment? :)
>> 
>> Hope that helps a bit.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Wed, Aug 10, 2022 at 11:46 PM Sean Cole via use-livecode <
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>> I'm struggling with this still. It's been years (since before Dec 2020) and
>>> I just can't get my head around it.
>>> I have a template created in Dreamweaver that is a simple bit of HTML body
>>> with CSS styling embedded (https://pidigital.co.uk/DeepDiveReport.html).
>>> There is also a pdf that needs to be attached.
>>> How do I use MimeEncodeAsMIMEMultipartDocument to make it ready to send via
>>> tsNetSmtpSync?
>>> There are zero tutorials and the dictionary is devoid of any useful
>>> information on how to use it. Google turned up nothing. In my previous
>>> request back in 2020, Monte, the author of the MIME library, had only
>>> referred me on to the RSC docs for MIME which is like looking for a straw
>>> in a needle stack. When I asked at one of the 'Firesides' I was told just
>>> to use a template and send it. But to send it, it needs to be encoded and
>>> that's the bit that is undocumented anywhere.
>>> Any help appreciated.
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>> subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> _______________________________________________
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>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode



From charles at techstrategies.com.au  Thu Aug 11 02:23:44 2022
From: charles at techstrategies.com.au (Charles Warwick)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 16:23:44 +1000
Subject: Email via IMAP with HTML body from a template
Message-ID: <946CE30C-C30E-41EB-B407-8A896FC9508D@techstrategies.com.au>

Sorry, the last line of the replacement code should have been:

put mimeEncodeAsMIMEMultipartDocument(tContent, “alernative”) into tBody

(It was missing the "into tBody" at the end of the line)

> On 11 Aug 2022, at 4:17 pm, Charles Warwick <charles at techstrategies.com.au> wrote:
> 
> Hi Sean,
> 
> After reading your second e-mail, I see that you don't want to use mimeEncodeFieldAsMIMEMultipartDocument to generate the HTML version of the e-mail body from a field as it does in that sample stack.
> 
> If you want to create your own HTML and plain text versions of the e-mail body, you can still use that sample stack.  Simply replace the following line:
> 
> put mimeEncodeFieldAsMIMEMultipartDocument(the long id of field "email_message") into tBody
> 
> With something like this:
> 
> put “Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8” & crlf into tHeadersPlain
> put “Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable” after tHeadersPlain
> put “<Plain Text Version Here>” into tBodyPlain
> put tHeadersPlain & crlf & crlf & \
> mimeEncodeForMIMETransfer(tBodyPlain, “quoted-printable”) into tContent[1]
> 
> put “Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8” & crlf into tHeadersHTML
> put “Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable” after tHeadersHTML
> put “<HTML Version Here>” into tBodyHTML
> put tHeadersHTML & crlf & crlf & \
> mimeEncodeForMIMETransfer(tBodyHTML, “quoted-printable”) into tContent[2]
> 
> put mimeEncodeAsMIMEMultipartDocument(tContent, “alernative”)
> 
> Hope that helps,
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Charles
> 
>> On 11 Aug 2022, at 3:46 pm, Charles Warwick <charles at techstrategies.com.au> wrote:
>> Hi Sean,
>> There is a sample stack on my website for sending an e-mail with an attachment using the MIME library here:
>> https://downloads.techstrategies.com.au/tsnet/smtpexample.livecode
>> Does that help at all,
>> Regards,
>> Charles
>>>> On 11 Aug 2022, at 2:39 pm, Tom Glod via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> Sean,
>>> Try this ..
>>> edit the script of stack "com.livecode.library.mime"
>>> there seems to be some documentation there that may help.
>>> I also found this
>>> https://livecode.fandom.com/wiki/MimeEncodeAsMIMEMultipartDocument
>>> Is that your comment? :)
>>> Hope that helps a bit.
>>>> On Wed, Aug 10, 2022 at 11:46 PM Sean Cole via use-livecode <
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> I'm struggling with this still. It's been years (since before Dec 2020) and
>>>> I just can't get my head around it.
>>>> I have a template created in Dreamweaver that is a simple bit of HTML body
>>>> with CSS styling embedded (https://pidigital.co.uk/DeepDiveReport.html).
>>>> There is also a pdf that needs to be attached.
>>>> How do I use MimeEncodeAsMIMEMultipartDocument to make it ready to send via
>>>> tsNetSmtpSync?
>>>> There are zero tutorials and the dictionary is devoid of any useful
>>>> information on how to use it. Google turned up nothing. In my previous
>>>> request back in 2020, Monte, the author of the MIME library, had only
>>>> referred me on to the RSC docs for MIME which is like looking for a straw
>>>> in a needle stack. When I asked at one of the 'Firesides' I was told just
>>>> to use a template and send it. But to send it, it needs to be encoded and
>>>> that's the bit that is undocumented anywhere.
>>>> Any help appreciated.
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>>> subscription preferences:
>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode



From klaus at major-k.de  Thu Aug 11 06:08:28 2022
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 12:08:28 +0200
Subject: iPhone simulators
In-Reply-To: <07EC9DFE-FB02-457A-A79C-1AE689BEEBB3@major-k.de>
References: <700D60BB-911D-499B-8BD9-6BC7A7442A78@major-k.de>
 <CA+JfEq9Xm4Nwysjx5qVt-zmYG38dP=HROzamw+xKUCA-dLbCsw@mail.gmail.com>
 <AF909224-1952-46F7-A0EE-98AE7B3CEA9E@major-k.de>
 <18288c8cbc8.27a5.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <07EC9DFE-FB02-457A-A79C-1AE689BEEBB3@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <53B76442-2D0D-4D2E-B1CC-6F251935A242@major-k.de>

Hi all,

> Am 10.08.2022 um 19:30 schrieb Klaus major-k via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Hi Jaques,
> 
>> Am 10.08.2022 um 19:23 schrieb J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>> If I remember right you can have an iPhone and an iPad simulator open at the same time and choose between them, but if you want two of the same type then it doesn't work.
> yep, came to the same conclusion. A good candidate for an "enhancement request". :-)

and done: <https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23871>


Best

Klaus
--
Klaus Major
https://www.major-k.de
https://www.major-k.de/bass
klaus at major-k.de



From klaus at major-k.de  Thu Aug 11 06:30:11 2022
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 12:30:11 +0200
Subject: Fail to test new stack on Android device
Message-ID: <06D69988-8C8D-44AC-82A0-DAF8493878C4@major-k.de>

Hi all,

I just tested an older stack on my Android device, everything is fine.
Then I created a new stack for a little stack and always get this error
when selecting "Test" in the LC dev menu.
<https://www.dropbox.com/s/j89i1ewpxh5ixny/stream_install_failed.png?dl=0>

Only script in that stack:
------------------------
on preopenstack
   set the fullscreenmode of this stack to "showall"
end preopenstack

## And a button:
on mouseUp
  ## Need to know if that is returning anything or giving an error or whatever...
  answer iphonesafeareainsets()
end mouseUp
------------------------
If I switch back to the other stack, I can upload and test, but not with this new stack!?

Any hints? Thanks!


Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
https://www.major-k.de
https://www.major-k.de/bass
klaus at major-k.de



From klaus at major-k.de  Thu Aug 11 06:39:18 2022
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 12:39:18 +0200
Subject: Fail to test new stack on Android device
In-Reply-To: <06D69988-8C8D-44AC-82A0-DAF8493878C4@major-k.de>
References: <06D69988-8C8D-44AC-82A0-DAF8493878C4@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <40D487EA-018C-48DD-81CA-80E11EC12042@major-k.de>



> Am 11.08.2022 um 12:30 schrieb Klaus major-k via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I just tested an older stack on my Android device, everything is fine.
> Then I created a new stack for a little stack and always get this error
> when selecting "Test" in the LC dev menu.
> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/j89i1ewpxh5ixny/stream_install_failed.png?dl=0>
> 
> Only script in that stack:
> ------------------------
> on preopenstack
>   set the fullscreenmode of this stack to "showall"
> end preopenstack
> 
> ## And a button:
> on mouseUp
>  ## Need to know if that is returning anything or giving an error or whatever...
>  answer iphonesafeareainsets()
> end mouseUp
> ------------------------
> If I switch back to the other stack, I can upload and test, but not with this new stack!?
> 
> Any hints? Thanks!

of course everyting is set up correctly in the "Stanalone Application Settings"!

--
Klaus Major
https://www.major-k.de
https://www.major-k.de/bass
klaus at major-k.de



From brian at milby7.com  Thu Aug 11 07:30:45 2022
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 07:30:45 -0400
Subject: Fail to test new stack on Android device
In-Reply-To: <40D487EA-018C-48DD-81CA-80E11EC12042@major-k.de>
References: <40D487EA-018C-48DD-81CA-80E11EC12042@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <0346CE66-3B95-42C7-AE27-D0AE9E419855@milby7.com>

Change the app name or version string info.  You have an app with the same name and an earlier version already on the device.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 11, 2022, at 6:39 AM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> Am 11.08.2022 um 12:30 schrieb Klaus major-k via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I just tested an older stack on my Android device, everything is fine.
>> Then I created a new stack for a little stack and always get this error
>> when selecting "Test" in the LC dev menu.
>> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/j89i1ewpxh5ixny/stream_install_failed.png?dl=0>
>> 
>> Only script in that stack:
>> ------------------------
>> on preopenstack
>>  set the fullscreenmode of this stack to "showall"
>> end preopenstack
>> 
>> ## And a button:
>> on mouseUp
>> ## Need to know if that is returning anything or giving an error or whatever...
>> answer iphonesafeareainsets()
>> end mouseUp
>> ------------------------
>> If I switch back to the other stack, I can upload and test, but not with this new stack!?
>> 
>> Any hints? Thanks!
> 
> of course everyting is set up correctly in the "Stanalone Application Settings"!
> 
> --
> Klaus Major
> https://www.major-k.de
> https://www.major-k.de/bass
> klaus at major-k.de
> 
> 
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From klaus at major-k.de  Thu Aug 11 08:14:56 2022
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 14:14:56 +0200
Subject: Fail to test new stack on Android device
In-Reply-To: <0346CE66-3B95-42C7-AE27-D0AE9E419855@milby7.com>
References: <40D487EA-018C-48DD-81CA-80E11EC12042@major-k.de>
 <0346CE66-3B95-42C7-AE27-D0AE9E419855@milby7.com>
Message-ID: <7B6A1003-2782-41CA-B459-8522FCC32F92@major-k.de>

Hi Brian,

> Am 11.08.2022 um 13:30 schrieb Brian Milby via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Change the app name or version string info.  You have an app with the same name and an earlier version already on the device.

thanks, will try that!

> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 11, 2022, at 6:39 AM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> Am 11.08.2022 um 12:30 schrieb Klaus major-k via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I just tested an older stack on my Android device, everything is fine.
>>> Then I created a new stack for a little stack and always get this error
>>> when selecting "Test" in the LC dev menu.
>>> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/j89i1ewpxh5ixny/stream_install_failed.png?dl=0>
>>> ...

Best

Klaus

--
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https://www.major-k.de
https://www.major-k.de/bass
klaus at major-k.de



From klaus at major-k.de  Thu Aug 11 08:44:31 2022
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 14:44:31 +0200
Subject: iPhoneSafeAreaInsets() and Android
In-Reply-To: <B5C48FAE-3E91-45A6-8156-81B19F4A8395@major-k.de>
References: <B5C48FAE-3E91-45A6-8156-81B19F4A8395@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <B3E98114-D658-41ED-82BA-97022DFF83B6@major-k.de>

Hi all,

> Am 15.07.2022 um 13:14 schrieb Klaus major-k via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Hi friends,
> 
> quick question, cannot test it myself in the moment.
> 
> Will -> iPhoneSafeAreaInsets() 
> a. work or 
> b. throw an error when being used on Android?
> 
> If a. I presume it will return "the screenrect" without any "notches".
> Does it?
> 
> If b. then I will to check "if the platform = "iphone"..."
> 
> Thanks for any quick answer!

FYI, iPhoneSafeAreaInsets() returns EMPTY on Android.
Will file an enhancement request that is will return at least the screenrect on Android,
so there is no need for a PLATFORM check. 

We already need too much of them. 8-)


Best

Klaus

--
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https://www.major-k.de
https://www.major-k.de/bass
klaus at major-k.de



From klaus at major-k.de  Thu Aug 11 08:48:34 2022
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 14:48:34 +0200
Subject: iPhoneSafeAreaInsets() and Android
In-Reply-To: <B3E98114-D658-41ED-82BA-97022DFF83B6@major-k.de>
References: <B5C48FAE-3E91-45A6-8156-81B19F4A8395@major-k.de>
 <B3E98114-D658-41ED-82BA-97022DFF83B6@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <990DA21D-3D55-4BF4-9D9E-3059695FBBC6@major-k.de>

Hi all,

> Am 11.08.2022 um 14:44 schrieb Klaus major-k via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> Hi all,
>> Am 15.07.2022 um 13:14 schrieb Klaus major-k via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>> Hi friends,
>> quick question, cannot test it myself in the moment.
>> Will -> iPhoneSafeAreaInsets() 
>> a. work or 
>> b. throw an error when being used on Android?
>> If a. I presume it will return "the screenrect" without any "notches".
>> Does it?
>> If b. then I will to check "if the platform = "iphone"..."
>> Thanks for any quick answer!
> FYI, iPhoneSafeAreaInsets() returns EMPTY on Android.
> Will file an enhancement request that is will return at least the screenrect on Android,
> so there is no need for a PLATFORM check. 

and done: <https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23872>


Best

Klaus

--
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https://www.major-k.de
https://www.major-k.de/bass
klaus at major-k.de



From tom at makeshyft.com  Thu Aug 11 11:16:58 2022
From: tom at makeshyft.com (Tom Glod)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 11:16:58 -0400
Subject: Livecode SQLite
Message-ID: <CAPzQJL+u4Ct1sMqZ0Qrb77g4PsY8EfzLzy_vt8fHxhcHdWkQ4g@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Folks,

I have a question about Livecode's SQLite implementation.

Looking at the official SQLite specs there seem to be json related
functions.

https://www.sqlite.org/json1.html

but none of them seem to work using Livecode's driver.
I was under the impression we had a full implementation

I was interested in implementing a relatively new feature where you can
index and query json documents and read the keys directly.

https://dgl.cx/2020/06/sqlite-json-support

I guess, if this is true, is there any documentation about which features
of sqlite are implemented and which are not?

TIA,
-- 
Tom Glod

From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Aug 11 11:27:21 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 15:27:21 +0000
Subject: iPhoneSafeAreaInsets() and Android
In-Reply-To: <B3E98114-D658-41ED-82BA-97022DFF83B6@major-k.de>
References: <B5C48FAE-3E91-45A6-8156-81B19F4A8395@major-k.de>
 <B3E98114-D658-41ED-82BA-97022DFF83B6@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <83E72EFC-F56E-4464-95C7-2B8C030383AB@iotecdigital.com>

It seems to me, someone who has done zero mobile development, that this function has no meaning on an android, and should therefore return empty to avoid unanticipated runtime errors. 

There should be however a function to get the screen rects of an android. Does the effective working screenrect do it for you? 

I see that your goal is to try and avoid platform checks, but iOS and Android seem to be such diverse OS platforms that checks are unavoidable. There are a TON of commands and functions beginning with iPhone. I stopped counting at 30 and I wasn't half way through. If all of these functions are to equivalent values for the Android OS, we'd be waiting 5 years for the enhancements. 

Just my ignorant 2¢

Bob S


> On Aug 11, 2022, at 05:44 , Klaus major-k via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> iPhoneSafeAreaInsets() returns EMPTY on Android


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Aug 11 11:32:10 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 15:32:10 +0000
Subject: Email via IMAP with HTML body from a template
In-Reply-To: <946CE30C-C30E-41EB-B407-8A896FC9508D@techstrategies.com.au>
References: <946CE30C-C30E-41EB-B407-8A896FC9508D@techstrategies.com.au>
Message-ID: <C191B734-9AF3-4DB9-9D68-7E7AB3B9B18B@iotecdigital.com>

I have to say, I've learned more about programming just from being a member of this list, than any book on the suject. Admittedly, I've read very few, as is manifestly evident when going back and re-reading my code. :-)

Bob S


> On Aug 10, 2022, at 23:23 , Charles Warwick via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Sorry, the last line of the replacement code should have been:
> 
> put mimeEncodeAsMIMEMultipartDocument(tContent, “alernative”) into tBody
> 
> (It was missing the "into tBody" at the end of the line)
> 
>> On 11 Aug 2022, at 4:17 pm, Charles Warwick <charles at techstrategies.com.au> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Sean,
>> 
>> After reading your second e-mail, I see that you don't want to use mimeEncodeFieldAsMIMEMultipartDocument to generate the HTML version of the e-mail body from a field as it does in that sample stack.
>> 
>> If you want to create your own HTML and plain text versions of the e-mail body, you can still use that sample stack.  Simply replace the following line:
>> 
>> put mimeEncodeFieldAsMIMEMultipartDocument(the long id of field "email_message") into tBody
>> 
>> With something like this:
>> 
>> put “Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8” & crlf into tHeadersPlain
>> put “Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable” after tHeadersPlain
>> put “<Plain Text Version Here>” into tBodyPlain
>> put tHeadersPlain & crlf & crlf & \
>> mimeEncodeForMIMETransfer(tBodyPlain, “quoted-printable”) into tContent[1]
>> 
>> put “Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8” & crlf into tHeadersHTML
>> put “Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable” after tHeadersHTML
>> put “<HTML Version Here>” into tBodyHTML
>> put tHeadersHTML & crlf & crlf & \
>> mimeEncodeForMIMETransfer(tBodyHTML, “quoted-printable”) into tContent[2]
>> 
>> put mimeEncodeAsMIMEMultipartDocument(tContent, “alernative”)
>> 
>> Hope that helps,
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Charles
>> 
>>> On 11 Aug 2022, at 3:46 pm, Charles Warwick <charles at techstrategies.com.au> wrote:
>>> Hi Sean,
>>> There is a sample stack on my website for sending an e-mail with an attachment using the MIME library here:
>>> https://downloads.techstrategies.com.au/tsnet/smtpexample.livecode
>>> Does that help at all,
>>> Regards,
>>> Charles
>>>>> On 11 Aug 2022, at 2:39 pm, Tom Glod via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> Sean,
>>>> Try this ..
>>>> edit the script of stack "com.livecode.library.mime"
>>>> there seems to be some documentation there that may help.
>>>> I also found this
>>>> https://livecode.fandom.com/wiki/MimeEncodeAsMIMEMultipartDocument
>>>> Is that your comment? :)
>>>> Hope that helps a bit.
>>>>> On Wed, Aug 10, 2022 at 11:46 PM Sean Cole via use-livecode <
>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> I'm struggling with this still. It's been years (since before Dec 2020) and
>>>>> I just can't get my head around it.
>>>>> I have a template created in Dreamweaver that is a simple bit of HTML body
>>>>> with CSS styling embedded (https://pidigital.co.uk/DeepDiveReport.html).
>>>>> There is also a pdf that needs to be attached.
>>>>> How do I use MimeEncodeAsMIMEMultipartDocument to make it ready to send via
>>>>> tsNetSmtpSync?
>>>>> There are zero tutorials and the dictionary is devoid of any useful
>>>>> information on how to use it. Google turned up nothing. In my previous
>>>>> request back in 2020, Monte, the author of the MIME library, had only
>>>>> referred me on to the RSC docs for MIME which is like looking for a straw
>>>>> in a needle stack. When I asked at one of the 'Firesides' I was told just
>>>>> to use a template and send it. But to send it, it needs to be encoded and
>>>>> that's the bit that is undocumented anywhere.
>>>>> Any help appreciated.
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>>>> subscription preferences:
>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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From klaus at major-k.de  Thu Aug 11 11:35:45 2022
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 17:35:45 +0200
Subject: iPhoneSafeAreaInsets() and Android
In-Reply-To: <83E72EFC-F56E-4464-95C7-2B8C030383AB@iotecdigital.com>
References: <B5C48FAE-3E91-45A6-8156-81B19F4A8395@major-k.de>
 <B3E98114-D658-41ED-82BA-97022DFF83B6@major-k.de>
 <83E72EFC-F56E-4464-95C7-2B8C030383AB@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <4D3B1C7A-D04A-4B0D-A6A1-BD071899EBA8@major-k.de>

Hi Bob,

> Am 11.08.2022 um 17:27 schrieb Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> It seems to me, someone who has done zero mobile development, that this function has no meaning on an android, and should therefore return empty to avoid unanticipated runtime errors. There should be however a function to get the screen rects of an android. Does the effective working screenrect do it for you? 

Sure, but that is not the problem.

> I see that your goal is to try and avoid platform checks,

Yep, that is the goal, lazy moi! :-)

> but iOS and Android seem to be such diverse OS platforms that checks are unavoidable. There are a TON of commands and functions beginning with iPhone.

Yes, and I still naively think that the IDE should just ignore these, so "if the platform = "mobile..." would not be neccessary anymore. 8-)

> I stopped counting at 30 and I wasn't half way through. If all of these functions are to equivalent values for the Android OS, we'd be waiting 5 years for the enhancements. 
> Just my ignorant 2¢
> 
> Bob S
> 
> iPhoneSafeAreaInsets() returns EMPTY on Android

Best

Klaus
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https://www.major-k.de
https://www.major-k.de/bass
klaus at major-k.de



From sean at pidigital.co.uk  Thu Aug 11 11:36:56 2022
From: sean at pidigital.co.uk (Pi Digital)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 16:36:56 +0100
Subject: Livecode SQLite
In-Reply-To: <CAPzQJL+u4Ct1sMqZ0Qrb77g4PsY8EfzLzy_vt8fHxhcHdWkQ4g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPzQJL+u4Ct1sMqZ0Qrb77g4PsY8EfzLzy_vt8fHxhcHdWkQ4g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1EEF82C3-B260-476E-9D16-57840C5B0AE3@pidigital.co.uk>

How was you accessing the database? Is it locally based? 

The ones I access are stored on a web host server with a cPanel. I have my own php I POST my sql request to and receive JSON back. I then use JSONtoArray or, recommended, JsonImport encapsulated in a ‘try’ structure to convert the data. 

To tell the database to respond with json is not done at the LC end but must either be set up in the DB itself or, as in my case, whatever is the medium for the data, PHP for me. 

Sean Cole
Pi Digital Productions Ltd

eMail Ts & Cs


> On 11 Aug 2022, at 16:16, Tom Glod via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Folks,
> 
> I have a question about Livecode's SQLite implementation.
> 
> Looking at the official SQLite specs there seem to be json related
> functions.
> 
> https://www.sqlite.org/json1.html
> 
> but none of them seem to work using Livecode's driver.
> I was under the impression we had a full implementation
> 
> I was interested in implementing a relatively new feature where you can
> index and query json documents and read the keys directly.
> 
> https://dgl.cx/2020/06/sqlite-json-support
> 
> I guess, if this is true, is there any documentation about which features
> of sqlite are implemented and which are not?
> 
> TIA,
> -- 
> Tom Glod
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From sean at pidigital.co.uk  Thu Aug 11 11:38:36 2022
From: sean at pidigital.co.uk (Pi Digital)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 16:38:36 +0100
Subject: Email via IMAP with HTML body from a template
In-Reply-To: <946CE30C-C30E-41EB-B407-8A896FC9508D@techstrategies.com.au>
References: <946CE30C-C30E-41EB-B407-8A896FC9508D@techstrategies.com.au>
Message-ID: <26CAE311-2EED-4580-9E55-F42F491E51AE@pidigital.co.uk>

Thanks Charles

I think that’s going to work. I’m going to do some testing and let you know how I get on. 

Sean

> On 11 Aug 2022, at 07:23, Charles Warwick via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Sorry, the last line of the replacement code should have been:
> 
> put mimeEncodeAsMIMEMultipartDocument(tContent, “alernative”) into tBody
> 
> (It was missing the "into tBody" at the end of the line)
> 
>> On 11 Aug 2022, at 4:17 pm, Charles Warwick <charles at techstrategies.com.au> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Sean,
>> 
>> After reading your second e-mail, I see that you don't want to use mimeEncodeFieldAsMIMEMultipartDocument to generate the HTML version of the e-mail body from a field as it does in that sample stack.
>> 
>> If you want to create your own HTML and plain text versions of the e-mail body, you can still use that sample stack.  Simply replace the following line:
>> 
>> put mimeEncodeFieldAsMIMEMultipartDocument(the long id of field "email_message") into tBody
>> 
>> With something like this:
>> 
>> put “Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8” & crlf into tHeadersPlain
>> put “Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable” after tHeadersPlain
>> put “<Plain Text Version Here>” into tBodyPlain
>> put tHeadersPlain & crlf & crlf & \
>> mimeEncodeForMIMETransfer(tBodyPlain, “quoted-printable”) into tContent[1]
>> 
>> put “Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8” & crlf into tHeadersHTML
>> put “Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable” after tHeadersHTML
>> put “<HTML Version Here>” into tBodyHTML
>> put tHeadersHTML & crlf & crlf & \
>> mimeEncodeForMIMETransfer(tBodyHTML, “quoted-printable”) into tContent[2]
>> 
>> put mimeEncodeAsMIMEMultipartDocument(tContent, “alernative”)
>> 
>> Hope that helps,
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Charles
>> 
>>>> On 11 Aug 2022, at 3:46 pm, Charles Warwick <charles at techstrategies.com.au> wrote:
>>> Hi Sean,
>>> There is a sample stack on my website for sending an e-mail with an attachment using the MIME library here:
>>> https://downloads.techstrategies.com.au/tsnet/smtpexample.livecode
>>> Does that help at all,
>>> Regards,
>>> Charles
>>>>> On 11 Aug 2022, at 2:39 pm, Tom Glod via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> Sean,
>>>> Try this ..
>>>> edit the script of stack "com.livecode.library.mime"
>>>> there seems to be some documentation there that may help.
>>>> I also found this
>>>> https://livecode.fandom.com/wiki/MimeEncodeAsMIMEMultipartDocument
>>>> Is that your comment? :)
>>>> Hope that helps a bit.
>>>>> On Wed, Aug 10, 2022 at 11:46 PM Sean Cole via use-livecode <
>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> I'm struggling with this still. It's been years (since before Dec 2020) and
>>>>> I just can't get my head around it.
>>>>> I have a template created in Dreamweaver that is a simple bit of HTML body
>>>>> with CSS styling embedded (https://pidigital.co.uk/DeepDiveReport.html).
>>>>> There is also a pdf that needs to be attached.
>>>>> How do I use MimeEncodeAsMIMEMultipartDocument to make it ready to send via
>>>>> tsNetSmtpSync?
>>>>> There are zero tutorials and the dictionary is devoid of any useful
>>>>> information on how to use it. Google turned up nothing. In my previous
>>>>> request back in 2020, Monte, the author of the MIME library, had only
>>>>> referred me on to the RSC docs for MIME which is like looking for a straw
>>>>> in a needle stack. When I asked at one of the 'Firesides' I was told just
>>>>> to use a template and send it. But to send it, it needs to be encoded and
>>>>> that's the bit that is undocumented anywhere.
>>>>> Any help appreciated.
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>>>> subscription preferences:
>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> 
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From paul at researchware.com  Thu Aug 11 11:57:05 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 11:57:05 -0400
Subject: Datagrid internal error
In-Reply-To: <CAHg3tG9MWSvRO1ZdSk-R_4gYL+XyX2T34chW1y-KARxEkDccUQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2981919d-4756-8d31-0a95-d28fdca6b445@researchware.com>
 <60e95862-61d7-4a07-2423-b77b10afc68f@researchware.com>
 <005401d8ab4d$bbd48c10$337da430$@net>
 <CAHg3tG9MWSvRO1ZdSk-R_4gYL+XyX2T34chW1y-KARxEkDccUQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5bbd8550-1ec3-9706-d6a8-38c7e0baf060@researchware.com>

On 8/10/2022 5:02 PM, Trevor DeVore via use-livecode wrote:
> 32,767 is the max for width as well. If there are enough columns it is
> possible that the DataGrid is rendering a group that exceeds this limit and
> hence the error. The DataGrid works around the limit when rendering rows,
> but not when rendering columns.
>
> I suppose a quick test would be to create a DataGrid with 330 columns that
> are at least 100 pixels wide and see if you get the same error.
>

So I created 2 test stacks with a Datagrid and a button to set the 
number of columns and populate a row of data. One stack I did in 
Livecode 4.6.4 (the oldest I have) and one I built in Livecode 9.6.8 to 
see if there were differences in the handling of the error condition 
between versions of the Datagrid object.

[Note: Some of the Datagrids in our app are from LC 4.6.4 and we've 
never removed them and replaced them with newer versions and I don't 
believe Livecode does anything to automatically update the Datagrid 
objects in an old stack when opened in a new version of Livecode]

Under LC464, trying to create a number of columns with default widths 
that would exceed the 32,767 pixel width limit of the group object 
(using 330 columns with a default width of 100px or 33,000 pixels) produces:

1) A blank header (no columns)
2) Visible column for data, where only the visible columns of the first 
row (8 columns) are populated with data and when you scroll to the 
right, all remaining column of the 1st row of data are empty. The grid 
is scrollable horizontally to what looks to be around 320-330 columns.

Using 320 columns, works as expected. 325 works; 327 works. 328 only 
produces 327 columns in the header with 327 values for data in the first 
row. 329 produces a header with 329 columns and no data is rendered in 
the 1st row.

Under LC968, the LC968 test version of this with 330 columns produces:

1) Columns headers 1 to 8 (the header that are the visible width of the 
Datagrid)
2) No data is rendered and the grid is not scrollable.

Using 320 columns, works as expected. 325 works. 327 works. 328 produces 
327 columns in the header and no data in the first row. 329 is the same 
as 330 (only 8 visible column headers and no data and no scrolling).

So, the results are subtly different from Datagrids from LC4.6.4 and 
Datagrids from LC9.6.8, but both fail to do what a user would expect 
without any visible errors.

However, having the number of columns exceed the width of a Livecode 
group object in pixels does not seem to be the source of the error I am 
trying to track down which was:

Line 139 set the dgProp["columns"] of grp "rwMatrixObj_DataGrid" to 
tColumnNames

tColumnNames is a variable containing a list of text lines that are 
customer entered column names, so they could be ANYTHING (up to 255 
chars, no control characters, including DEL (127)) that a user could 
type or paste into a field, including words in any language using Unicode.

As the executionContexts data does not contain the actual values of the 
variable tColumnNames when the error occurs AND (for reasons) I can not 
get the data from the customer, does ANYONE have any idea what 
tColumnNames might contain that could produce the error(s) show below?

Technical information:
Property: value is not a number: (Line 11, column 1)
Object: can't set object property: (Line 11, column 5)
set: can't set property: (Line 11, column 1)
Handler: error in statement: LayoutControl (Line 11, column 1)
Object ID: stack "RevDataGridLibraryBehaviorsDefaultHeaderButtonBehavior"
-
repeat: error in statement: (Line 5066, column 1)
Handler: error in statement: _table.ResizeHeaders (Line 5052, column 1)
Object ID: stack "RevDataGridLibraryBehaviorsDataGridButtonBehavior"
-
Handler: error in statement: _table.ResizeColumns (Line 4967, column 1)
Object ID: stack "RevDataGridLibraryBehaviorsDataGridButtonBehavior"
-
Handler: error in statement: _table.CreateColumns (Line 4737, column 1)
Object ID: stack "RevDataGridLibraryBehaviorsDataGridButtonBehavior"
-
Handler: error in statement: _table.RegenerateColumns (Line 4538, column 1)
Object ID: stack "RevDataGridLibraryBehaviorsDataGridButtonBehavior"
-
switch: error in statement: (Line 6150, column 1)
Handler: error in statement: dgProps (Line 5553, column 1)
Object ID: stack "RevDataGridLibraryBehaviorsDataGridButtonBehavior"
-
set: can't set property: (Line 5529, column 1)
Handler: error in statement: dgProp (Line 5529, column 1)
Object ID: stack "RevDataGridLibraryBehaviorsDataGridButtonBehavior"
-
set: can't set property: (Line 139, column 1)
if-then: error in statement: (Line 139, column 1)
Handler: error in statement: populateMe (Line 138, column 1)
Object: group "Table" of card "FrequencyReport" of stack "FreqReport.rwtl"
Object ID: group id 1162 of card id 1002 of stack 
"/Applications/HyperRESEARCH 4.5.4/Components/Tools/FreqReport.rwtl"


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Aug 11 12:22:53 2022
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 11:22:53 -0500
Subject: iPhoneSafeAreaInsets() and Android
In-Reply-To: <83E72EFC-F56E-4464-95C7-2B8C030383AB@iotecdigital.com>
References: <B5C48FAE-3E91-45A6-8156-81B19F4A8395@major-k.de>
 <B3E98114-D658-41ED-82BA-97022DFF83B6@major-k.de>
 <83E72EFC-F56E-4464-95C7-2B8C030383AB@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <1828db73f48.27a5.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>

Actually some Android phones have notches to imitate iPhones when Apple 
first introduced that. It wasn't very popular and most Android phones now 
use punch holes, but those also take up a bit of space, though not much.

--
Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
On August 11, 2022 10:29:29 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> It seems to me, someone who has done zero mobile development, that this 
> function has no meaning on an android, and should therefore return empty to 
> avoid unanticipated runtime errors.
>
> There should be however a function to get the screen rects of an android. 
> Does the effective working screenrect do it for you?
>
> I see that your goal is to try and avoid platform checks, but iOS and 
> Android seem to be such diverse OS platforms that checks are unavoidable. 
> There are a TON of commands and functions beginning with iPhone. I stopped 
> counting at 30 and I wasn't half way through. If all of these functions are 
> to equivalent values for the Android OS, we'd be waiting 5 years for the 
> enhancements.
>
> Just my ignorant 2
>
> Bob S
>
>
>> On Aug 11, 2022, at 05:44 , Klaus major-k via use-livecode 
>> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> iPhoneSafeAreaInsets() returns EMPTY on Android
>
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From paul at researchware.com  Thu Aug 11 12:23:48 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 12:23:48 -0400
Subject: Datagrid and new Summer Bundle table/grid widgets
Message-ID: <0e08a5fa-d55b-15cd-d576-9654ddc9119c@researchware.com>

To anyone with the Summer Bundle:

The Datagrid object has a practical limit on the number of columns that 
I just reported as https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23875
(about 327 columns at a default column width of 100px due to the Group 
objects 32767px width limit)

Do any of the table/grid widgets in the Summer Bundle allow going beyond 
this limit? Could someone with a Summer Bundle please test the 
table/grid widgets. I have included the script I populate the column 
names and a first row of data in a Datagrid with below. I'd just like to 
know whether any of the new table widgets can exceed thsi Datagrid 
limit. Thank you to anyone who can spare the time to test in advance.

on mouseUp pMouseButton
   local tColumnNames, tArray
   ask "Number of columns?"
   if it is empty then exit mouseUp
   --
   repeat with i=1 to it
     set cursor to busy
     put "Column"&&i into tColumnName
     put tColumnName into line i of tColumnNames
     put i into tArray[1][tColumnName]
   end repeat
   --
   set cursor to watch
   set the dgData of group "Table" to tArray -- replace this line and 
the nest with code for the new widget
   set the dgProp["columns"] of group "Table" to tColumnNames
   beep 3
end mouseUp


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Aug 11 12:42:44 2022
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 11:42:44 -0500
Subject: Fail to test new stack on Android device
In-Reply-To: <06D69988-8C8D-44AC-82A0-DAF8493878C4@major-k.de>
References: <06D69988-8C8D-44AC-82A0-DAF8493878C4@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <1828dc96ba0.27a5.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>

Brian was right, but it's the build number that matters rather than the 
version number. You can either increase it, or delete the existing app on 
the phone before installing the other one.

--
Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
On August 11, 2022 5:31:36 AM Klaus major-k via use-livecode 
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I just tested an older stack on my Android device, everything is fine.
> Then I created a new stack for a little stack and always get this error
> when selecting "Test" in the LC dev menu.
> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/j89i1ewpxh5ixny/stream_install_failed.png?dl=0>
>
> Only script in that stack:
> ------------------------
> on preopenstack
>   set the fullscreenmode of this stack to "showall"
> end preopenstack
>
> ## And a button:
> on mouseUp
>  ## Need to know if that is returning anything or giving an error or whatever...
>  answer iphonesafeareainsets()
> end mouseUp
> ------------------------
> If I switch back to the other stack, I can upload and test, but not with 
> this new stack!?
>
> Any hints? Thanks!
>
>
> Best
>
> Klaus
>
> --
> Klaus Major
> https://www.major-k.de
> https://www.major-k.de/bass
> klaus at major-k.de
>
>
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From klaus at major-k.de  Thu Aug 11 12:45:14 2022
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 18:45:14 +0200
Subject: Fail to test new stack on Android device
In-Reply-To: <1828dc96ba0.27a5.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <06D69988-8C8D-44AC-82A0-DAF8493878C4@major-k.de>
 <1828dc96ba0.27a5.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <6B884484-6AF5-4185-B0EB-7B4F2EB388F2@major-k.de>

Hi Jaques and Brian,

> Am 11.08.2022 um 18:42 schrieb J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Brian was right, but it's the build number that matters rather than the version number. You can either increase it, or delete the existing app on the phone before installing the other one.

yep, that worked!
Always forget about this when I just want to do a quick test. 8-)

> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> On August 11, 2022 5:31:36 AM Klaus major-k via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I just tested an older stack on my Android device, everything is fine.
>> Then I created a new stack for a little stack and always get this error
>> when selecting "Test" in the LC dev menu.
>> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/j89i1ewpxh5ixny/stream_install_failed.png?dl=0>
>> 
>> Only script in that stack:
>> ------------------------
>> on preopenstack
>>  set the fullscreenmode of this stack to "showall"
>> end preopenstack
>> 
>> ## And a button:
>> on mouseUp
>> ## Need to know if that is returning anything or giving an error or whatever...
>> answer iphonesafeareainsets()
>> end mouseUp
>> ------------------------
>> If I switch back to the other stack, I can upload and test, but not with this new stack!?
>> 
>> Any hints? Thanks!

Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
https://www.major-k.de
https://www.major-k.de/bass
klaus at major-k.de



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Aug 11 14:13:54 2022
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 13:13:54 -0500
Subject: iPhoneSafeAreaInsets() and Android
In-Reply-To: <B3E98114-D658-41ED-82BA-97022DFF83B6@major-k.de>
References: <B5C48FAE-3E91-45A6-8156-81B19F4A8395@major-k.de>
 <B3E98114-D658-41ED-82BA-97022DFF83B6@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <645efb9c-e58f-0197-60b6-345314c7622d@hyperactivesw.com>

On 8/11/22 7:44 AM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote:
> FYI, iPhoneSafeAreaInsets() returns EMPTY on Android.

It looks like it's for iOS only, Android isn't listed in the dictionary reference. You'll 
probably need to use the working screenrect on Android.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From klaus at major-k.de  Thu Aug 11 14:17:26 2022
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 20:17:26 +0200
Subject: iPhoneSafeAreaInsets() and Android
In-Reply-To: <645efb9c-e58f-0197-60b6-345314c7622d@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <B5C48FAE-3E91-45A6-8156-81B19F4A8395@major-k.de>
 <B3E98114-D658-41ED-82BA-97022DFF83B6@major-k.de>
 <645efb9c-e58f-0197-60b6-345314c7622d@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <7217078D-859C-443D-AF90-1D189299CD37@major-k.de>

Hi Jaques,

> Am 11.08.2022 um 20:13 schrieb J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> On 8/11/22 7:44 AM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote:
>> FYI, iPhoneSafeAreaInsets() returns EMPTY on Android.
> 
> It looks like it's for iOS only, Android isn't listed in the dictionary reference. You'll probably need to use the working screenrect on Android.

yes, I just wanted to see if it will throw an error on Android.
It doesn't. :-)

> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com

Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
https://www.major-k.de
https://www.major-k.de/bass
klaus at major-k.de



From tom at makeshyft.com  Thu Aug 11 17:30:43 2022
From: tom at makeshyft.com (Tom Glod)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 17:30:43 -0400
Subject: Livecode SQLite
In-Reply-To: <1EEF82C3-B260-476E-9D16-57840C5B0AE3@pidigital.co.uk>
References: <CAPzQJL+u4Ct1sMqZ0Qrb77g4PsY8EfzLzy_vt8fHxhcHdWkQ4g@mail.gmail.com>
 <1EEF82C3-B260-476E-9D16-57840C5B0AE3@pidigital.co.uk>
Message-ID: <CAPzQJL+zO=rs53AjUeWcULWKWSku7PY++bYywXNDed+ftETaOQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Sean,

The SQLite db i want to read json fields from is local.  I know there are
lots of workarounds.

But in link I provided, the premise was using sqlite function to index and
read a jason document's field.

like so:

sqlite> insert into t values(json('{"d":"42"}'));
sqlite> select * from t WHERE d = 42;
{"d":"42"}|42

Thanks Sean, I'm happy you found the help you needed with your email
problem.

On Thu, Aug 11, 2022 at 11:37 AM Pi Digital via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> How was you accessing the database? Is it locally based?
>
> The ones I access are stored on a web host server with a cPanel. I have my
> own php I POST my sql request to and receive JSON back. I then use
> JSONtoArray or, recommended, JsonImport encapsulated in a ‘try’ structure
> to convert the data.
>
> To tell the database to respond with json is not done at the LC end but
> must either be set up in the DB itself or, as in my case, whatever is the
> medium for the data, PHP for me.
>
> Sean Cole
> Pi Digital Productions Ltd
>
> eMail Ts & Cs
>
>
> > On 11 Aug 2022, at 16:16, Tom Glod via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Folks,
> >
> > I have a question about Livecode's SQLite implementation.
> >
> > Looking at the official SQLite specs there seem to be json related
> > functions.
> >
> > https://www.sqlite.org/json1.html
> >
> > but none of them seem to work using Livecode's driver.
> > I was under the impression we had a full implementation
> >
> > I was interested in implementing a relatively new feature where you can
> > index and query json documents and read the keys directly.
> >
> > https://dgl.cx/2020/06/sqlite-json-support
> >
> > I guess, if this is true, is there any documentation about which features
> > of sqlite are implemented and which are not?
> >
> > TIA,
> > --
> > Tom Glod
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From dan at clearvisiontech.com  Thu Aug 11 19:27:52 2022
From: dan at clearvisiontech.com (Dan Friedman)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 23:27:52 +0000
Subject: mobileControl placeholderText?
Message-ID: <4CD9D73F-02F7-44BC-BF7F-E71980DBBFB1@clearvisiontech.com>

Is there a method to add placeholderText to a native mobile control field?   So, if the fields' text is empty, it will show a string in gray.   Like a Password field that when empty displays "Enter password here".

Dan


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Aug 11 19:42:02 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 23:42:02 +0000
Subject: mobileControl placeholderText?
In-Reply-To: <4CD9D73F-02F7-44BC-BF7F-E71980DBBFB1@clearvisiontech.com>
References: <4CD9D73F-02F7-44BC-BF7F-E71980DBBFB1@clearvisiontech.com>
Message-ID: <E259CCF4-72D7-4B50-B4FC-1FE84A8E18B2@iotecdigital.com>

I see a similar thing when I have a pulldown menu without a label. It will display the menu button name by default. 

What I will do then is set the label to some prompt or else a space. It's pretty annoying to have to do that though. 

Bob S


> On Aug 11, 2022, at 16:27 , Dan Friedman via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Is there a method to add placeholderText to a native mobile control field?   So, if the fields' text is empty, it will show a string in gray.   Like a Password field that when empty displays "Enter password here".
> 
> Dan



From phil at pdslabs.net  Thu Aug 11 21:35:18 2022
From: phil at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 18:35:18 -0700
Subject: Images and arrays...
In-Reply-To: <ea9b3564-6af6-1f28-9a66-5eadad3b91ec@researchware.com>
References: <ea9b3564-6af6-1f28-9a66-5eadad3b91ec@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <a6f4cb5c-d5cc-a0d1-3c01-0d951a80b1c8@pdslabs.net>

Hi Paul, sorry I'm so late to the party.

I think the best you can do is to capture & then reuse all the 
properties of the target image.

I created a stack and imported an image. Then I ran this button script 
to make an exact replica of image 1. It worked:

    on mouseUp
         put the properties of img 1 into tPropsA -- could be saved for
    later use
         lock screen
         create image
         set the properties of img 2 to tPropsA
         set the left of img 2 to the right of img 1 + 30
         unlock screen
    end mouseUp

Hope this helps -
Phil Davis



On 7/5/22 2:20 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
> I am drawing a blank:
>
> If I have the following code:
>
>                   export snapshot from rect tRect of player 
> "mediaConvert" of stack "libHrAPI" to tImage as PNG
>                   put tImage into pRefArray[tRef]
>
> The actual image (not a reference, such as a long ID) is placed in the 
> tRefArray[tRef] array element
>
> However, if I have a variable tImageID that contains a reference to an 
> image such as
>
> image id 10328 of card id 10001 of stack "X"
>
> How do I get that actual Image stored in the array?
>
> put tImageID into pRefArray[tRef] -- results in the array element 
> storing the long ID
>
> put (tImageID) into pRefArray[tRef] -- also results in the array 
> element storing the long ID. I thought the () might for the long ID to 
> be evaluated to an actual image
>
>
>
>
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From mark at livecode.com  Fri Aug 12 00:56:51 2022
From: mark at livecode.com (Mark Waddingham)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2022 05:56:51 +0100
Subject: Livecode SQLite
In-Reply-To: <CAPzQJL+u4Ct1sMqZ0Qrb77g4PsY8EfzLzy_vt8fHxhcHdWkQ4g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPzQJL+u4Ct1sMqZ0Qrb77g4PsY8EfzLzy_vt8fHxhcHdWkQ4g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <fd399822a5fdad9e930b14a62ac12b92@livecode.com>

On 2022-08-11 16:16, Tom Glod via use-livecode wrote:
> I was interested in implementing a relatively new feature where you can
> index and query json documents and read the keys directly.
> 
> https://dgl.cx/2020/06/sqlite-json-support
> 
> I guess, if this is true, is there any documentation about which 
> features
> of sqlite are implemented and which are not?

The version of SQLite is currently 3.34 built with FTS3, 
FTS3_PARANTHESIS, FTS4, FTS5, RTREE and JSON1 options.

So the JSON features (at least as far as those included in 3.34) should 
be included - perhaps the queries you are trying rely on features 
(perhaps not JSON related) included in more recent versions?

If you file a bug report with what examples of what isn't working, then 
we'll look into updating to the latest version of the library.

Warmest Regards,

Mark.

-- 
Mark Waddingham ~ mark at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
LiveCode: Everyone can create apps


From selander at tkf.att.ne.jp  Fri Aug 12 07:27:46 2022
From: selander at tkf.att.ne.jp (Tim Selander)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2022 20:27:46 +0900
Subject: Server globals
Message-ID: <fdf1b73b-4f0e-7219-f1a6-95550e0f8a0c@tkf.att.ne.jp>

As always, appreciate everyone's help.

Have made several little projects using LC Server on the 
on-rev.com host. For the first time, I would like a global 
variable -- that is a variable that would retain it's value even 
if the page is re-loaded. Or if a user goes to another .lc 
page/file in the domain.

All my playing around, and Googling around, has been for nought. 
Is there a way to hang on to a bit of data was you move around 
pages in the same domain?

Thanks.

Tim Selander
Tokyo, Japan


From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Fri Aug 12 08:26:45 2022
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2022 14:26:45 +0200
Subject: Server globals
In-Reply-To: <fdf1b73b-4f0e-7219-f1a6-95550e0f8a0c@tkf.att.ne.jp>
References: <fdf1b73b-4f0e-7219-f1a6-95550e0f8a0c@tkf.att.ne.jp>
Message-ID: <C19B916C-3A6C-42AF-9E91-E269DA6717BF@m-r-d.de>

Hi Tim,

does the variable have a user specific value or a value, that changes from time to time, but is the same for all users?

I've done something some time ago and used a text file on the server which stored that value. In my case the value was not user specific so it was an easy task.


If the variable is user specific, why don't you use a  cookies for that? That will grant that the value is available  at all pages in the same domain.

Regards,
Matthias


> Am 12.08.2022 um 13:27 schrieb Tim Selander via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> As always, appreciate everyone's help.
> 
> Have made several little projects using LC Server on the on-rev.com host. For the first time, I would like a global variable -- that is a variable that would retain it's value even if the page is re-loaded. Or if a user goes to another .lc page/file in the domain.
> 
> All my playing around, and Googling around, has been for nought. Is there a way to hang on to a bit of data was you move around pages in the same domain?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Tim Selander
> Tokyo, Japan
> 
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From selander at tkf.att.ne.jp  Fri Aug 12 09:18:26 2022
From: selander at tkf.att.ne.jp (Tim Selander)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2022 22:18:26 +0900
Subject: Server globals
In-Reply-To: <C19B916C-3A6C-42AF-9E91-E269DA6717BF@m-r-d.de>
References: <fdf1b73b-4f0e-7219-f1a6-95550e0f8a0c@tkf.att.ne.jp>
 <C19B916C-3A6C-42AF-9E91-E269DA6717BF@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <81d60127-fcdf-afbf-3c9c-70cb3a2041f1@tkf.att.ne.jp>

Hi Matthias,

It is user specific, but I just tried the saving to a text file 
on the server -- very fast. Got the user IP from $_Server, and 
used that in the filename for easy later retrieval. How much data 
can a cookie hold? Guess I'll test that.

One of the reasons I'm fussing with this is I'm trying to come up 
with some kind of pagination system. I'm probably trying to 
re-invent the wheel -- badly.

It's a simple membership list, with a few hundred records. Only 
want to show 30 on the page at a time. I wonder if anyone has a 
LC sample for doing that. I tried Ralph Bitter's Revigniter but 
just can't wrap my head around it.

Using MySQL for testing, so could try to figure out using the 
CURSOR feature. But know nothing about avoiding injection 
attacks, so may fall back to using  a .csv for the datafile. I've 
done that for all my other projects....

Anyway, thanks for the info; no global variables, but file saves 
look like they'll work!

Tim

On 2022.08.12 21:26, matthias rebbe via use-livecode wrote:
> Hi Tim,
> 
> does the variable have a user specific value or a value, that changes from time to time, but is the same for all users?
> 
> I've done something some time ago and used a text file on the server which stored that value. In my case the value was not user specific so it was an easy task.
> 
> 
> If the variable is user specific, why don't you use a  cookies for that? That will grant that the value is available  at all pages in the same domain.
> 
> Regards,
> Matthias
> 
> 
>> Am 12.08.2022 um 13:27 schrieb Tim Selander via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>
>> As always, appreciate everyone's help.
>>
>> Have made several little projects using LC Server on the on-rev.com host. For the first time, I would like a global variable -- that is a variable that would retain it's value even if the page is re-loaded. Or if a user goes to another .lc page/file in the domain.
>>
>> All my playing around, and Googling around, has been for nought. Is there a way to hang on to a bit of data was you move around pages in the same domain?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Tim Selander
>> Tokyo, Japan
>>
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From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Fri Aug 12 09:39:07 2022
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2022 15:39:07 +0200
Subject: Server globals
In-Reply-To: <81d60127-fcdf-afbf-3c9c-70cb3a2041f1@tkf.att.ne.jp>
References: <fdf1b73b-4f0e-7219-f1a6-95550e0f8a0c@tkf.att.ne.jp>
 <C19B916C-3A6C-42AF-9E91-E269DA6717BF@m-r-d.de>
 <81d60127-fcdf-afbf-3c9c-70cb3a2041f1@tkf.att.ne.jp>
Message-ID: <20CD4267-A735-4430-B50D-2BA3729F25FC@m-r-d.de>

Hi Tim,

the maximum size of a cookie is 4096 bytes.

I am using Sitelok from Vibralogix on one site for a membership list. I've integrated it in a site i created with Rapidweaver. 
I am also using Livecode Server scripts on that site for several tasks including form processing. The good thing is that i can add my Livecode Server scripts to my Rapidweaver pages, either the whole script or only an   include statement that includes the script.
I just need to tell Rapidweaver to store that page with file extension .lc instead of .html.

I also had a look at Reviginiter. Looks so powerful, but i have not enough time in a row to get used with it. So i have to stay with my Rapidweaver/Livecode server script solutions.


Regards,
Matthias


> Am 12.08.2022 um 15:18 schrieb Tim Selander via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Hi Matthias,
> 
> It is user specific, but I just tried the saving to a text file on the server -- very fast. Got the user IP from $_Server, and used that in the filename for easy later retrieval. How much data can a cookie hold? Guess I'll test that.
> 
> One of the reasons I'm fussing with this is I'm trying to come up with some kind of pagination system. I'm probably trying to re-invent the wheel -- badly.
> 
> It's a simple membership list, with a few hundred records. Only want to show 30 on the page at a time. I wonder if anyone has a LC sample for doing that. I tried Ralph Bitter's Revigniter but just can't wrap my head around it.
> 
> Using MySQL for testing, so could try to figure out using the CURSOR feature. But know nothing about avoiding injection attacks, so may fall back to using  a .csv for the datafile. I've done that for all my other projects....
> 
> Anyway, thanks for the info; no global variables, but file saves look like they'll work!
> 
> Tim
> 
> On 2022.08.12 21:26, matthias rebbe via use-livecode wrote:
>> Hi Tim,
>> does the variable have a user specific value or a value, that changes from time to time, but is the same for all users?
>> I've done something some time ago and used a text file on the server which stored that value. In my case the value was not user specific so it was an easy task.
>> If the variable is user specific, why don't you use a  cookies for that? That will grant that the value is available  at all pages in the same domain.
>> Regards,
>> Matthias
>>> Am 12.08.2022 um 13:27 schrieb Tim Selander via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>> 
>>> As always, appreciate everyone's help.
>>> 
>>> Have made several little projects using LC Server on the on-rev.com host. For the first time, I would like a global variable -- that is a variable that would retain it's value even if the page is re-loaded. Or if a user goes to another .lc page/file in the domain.
>>> 
>>> All my playing around, and Googling around, has been for nought. Is there a way to hang on to a bit of data was you move around pages in the same domain?
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> Tim Selander
>>> Tokyo, Japan
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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From jacques.clavel at gmail.com  Fri Aug 12 12:39:04 2022
From: jacques.clavel at gmail.com (Jacques Clavel)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2022 18:39:04 +0200
Subject: Server globals
In-Reply-To: <81d60127-fcdf-afbf-3c9c-70cb3a2041f1@tkf.att.ne.jp>
References: <fdf1b73b-4f0e-7219-f1a6-95550e0f8a0c@tkf.att.ne.jp>
 <C19B916C-3A6C-42AF-9E91-E269DA6717BF@m-r-d.de>
 <81d60127-fcdf-afbf-3c9c-70cb3a2041f1@tkf.att.ne.jp>
Message-ID: <CALD5Cnj8XL5HicrZfG9pyDTguWH1pk6p32PUQDVPV_sSF7wK3w@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Tim,

You can also use localStorage for user specific data at the browser level :
In your .lc script on the server :
to store

<script> localStorage.jcf2 = '" &sDir&  "'</script>


and retrieve data

<script> var jMem = localStorage.getItem('jcf2');</script>


Regards,

JC

Le ven. 12 août 2022 à 15:19, Tim Selander via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> a écrit :

> Hi Matthias,
>
> It is user specific, but I just tried the saving to a text file
> on the server -- very fast. Got the user IP from $_Server, and
> used that in the filename for easy later retrieval. How much data
> can a cookie hold? Guess I'll test that.
>
> One of the reasons I'm fussing with this is I'm trying to come up
> with some kind of pagination system. I'm probably trying to
> re-invent the wheel -- badly.
>
> It's a simple membership list, with a few hundred records. Only
> want to show 30 on the page at a time. I wonder if anyone has a
> LC sample for doing that. I tried Ralph Bitter's Revigniter but
> just can't wrap my head around it.
>
> Using MySQL for testing, so could try to figure out using the
> CURSOR feature. But know nothing about avoiding injection
> attacks, so may fall back to using  a .csv for the datafile. I've
> done that for all my other projects....
>
> Anyway, thanks for the info; no global variables, but file saves
> look like they'll work!
>
> Tim
>
> On 2022.08.12 21:26, matthias rebbe via use-livecode wrote:
> > Hi Tim,
> >
> > does the variable have a user specific value or a value, that changes
> from time to time, but is the same for all users?
> >
> > I've done something some time ago and used a text file on the server
> which stored that value. In my case the value was not user specific so it
> was an easy task.
> >
> >
> > If the variable is user specific, why don't you use a  cookies for that?
> That will grant that the value is available  at all pages in the same
> domain.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Matthias
> >
> >
> >> Am 12.08.2022 um 13:27 schrieb Tim Selander via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> >>
> >> As always, appreciate everyone's help.
> >>
> >> Have made several little projects using LC Server on the on-rev.com
> host. For the first time, I would like a global variable -- that is a
> variable that would retain it's value even if the page is re-loaded. Or if
> a user goes to another .lc page/file in the domain.
> >>
> >> All my playing around, and Googling around, has been for nought. Is
> there a way to hang on to a bit of data was you move around pages in the
> same domain?
> >>
> >> Thanks.
> >>
> >> Tim Selander
> >> Tokyo, Japan
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> use-livecode mailing list
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
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> >
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-- 
Jacques Clavel

From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net  Fri Aug 12 13:18:43 2022
From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2022 13:18:43 -0400
Subject: Server globals
In-Reply-To: <81d60127-fcdf-afbf-3c9c-70cb3a2041f1@tkf.att.ne.jp>
References: <fdf1b73b-4f0e-7219-f1a6-95550e0f8a0c@tkf.att.ne.jp>
 <C19B916C-3A6C-42AF-9E91-E269DA6717BF@m-r-d.de>
 <81d60127-fcdf-afbf-3c9c-70cb3a2041f1@tkf.att.ne.jp>
Message-ID: <004b01d8ae6f$95f146d0$c1d3d470$@net>

Using the IP can fail if more than one user is on the same IP via a router
using NAT. The Browser local storage is a better solution.

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdimola at evergreeninfo.net

-----Original Message-----
From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf
Of Tim Selander via use-livecode
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2022 9:18 AM
To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
Cc: Tim Selander
Subject: Re: Server globals

Hi Matthias,

It is user specific, but I just tried the saving to a text file on the
server -- very fast. Got the user IP from $_Server, and used that in the
filename for easy later retrieval. How much data can a cookie hold? Guess
I'll test that.

One of the reasons I'm fussing with this is I'm trying to come up with some
kind of pagination system. I'm probably trying to re-invent the wheel --
badly.

It's a simple membership list, with a few hundred records. Only want to show
30 on the page at a time. I wonder if anyone has a LC sample for doing that.
I tried Ralph Bitter's Revigniter but just can't wrap my head around it.

Using MySQL for testing, so could try to figure out using the CURSOR
feature. But know nothing about avoiding injection attacks, so may fall back
to using  a .csv for the datafile. I've done that for all my other
projects....

Anyway, thanks for the info; no global variables, but file saves look like
they'll work!

Tim

On 2022.08.12 21:26, matthias rebbe via use-livecode wrote:
> Hi Tim,
> 
> does the variable have a user specific value or a value, that changes from
time to time, but is the same for all users?
> 
> I've done something some time ago and used a text file on the server which
stored that value. In my case the value was not user specific so it was an
easy task.
> 
> 
> If the variable is user specific, why don't you use a  cookies for that?
That will grant that the value is available  at all pages in the same
domain.
> 
> Regards,
> Matthias
> 
> 
>> Am 12.08.2022 um 13:27 schrieb Tim Selander via use-livecode
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>
>> As always, appreciate everyone's help.
>>
>> Have made several little projects using LC Server on the on-rev.com host.
For the first time, I would like a global variable -- that is a variable
that would retain it's value even if the page is re-loaded. Or if a user
goes to another .lc page/file in the domain.
>>
>> All my playing around, and Googling around, has been for nought. Is there
a way to hang on to a bit of data was you move around pages in the same
domain?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Tim Selander
>> Tokyo, Japan
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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From selander at tkf.att.ne.jp  Fri Aug 12 19:04:18 2022
From: selander at tkf.att.ne.jp (Tim Selander)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2022 08:04:18 +0900
Subject: Server globals
In-Reply-To: <004b01d8ae6f$95f146d0$c1d3d470$@net>
References: <fdf1b73b-4f0e-7219-f1a6-95550e0f8a0c@tkf.att.ne.jp>
 <C19B916C-3A6C-42AF-9E91-E269DA6717BF@m-r-d.de>
 <81d60127-fcdf-afbf-3c9c-70cb3a2041f1@tkf.att.ne.jp>
 <004b01d8ae6f$95f146d0$c1d3d470$@net>
Message-ID: <3bf1f6bf-60ad-d2ae-1fe1-a216875a8d6d@tkf.att.ne.jp>

Ah! Big problem I hadn't thought of  -- thank you!! I'll try the 
local storage script Jacques offered.

Many thanks.

Tim

On 2022.08.13 2:18, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode wrote:
> Using the IP can fail if more than one user is on the same IP via a router
> using NAT. The Browser local storage is a better solution.
> 
> Ralph DiMola
> IT Director
> Evergreen Information Services
> rdimola at evergreeninfo.net
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf
> Of Tim Selander via use-livecode
> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2022 9:18 AM
> To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Cc: Tim Selander
> Subject: Re: Server globals
> 
> Hi Matthias,
> 
> It is user specific, but I just tried the saving to a text file on the
> server -- very fast. Got the user IP from $_Server, and used that in the
> filename for easy later retrieval. How much data can a cookie hold? Guess
> I'll test that.
> 
> One of the reasons I'm fussing with this is I'm trying to come up with some
> kind of pagination system. I'm probably trying to re-invent the wheel --
> badly.
> 
> It's a simple membership list, with a few hundred records. Only want to show
> 30 on the page at a time. I wonder if anyone has a LC sample for doing that.
> I tried Ralph Bitter's Revigniter but just can't wrap my head around it.
> 
> Using MySQL for testing, so could try to figure out using the CURSOR
> feature. But know nothing about avoiding injection attacks, so may fall back
> to using  a .csv for the datafile. I've done that for all my other
> projects....
> 
> Anyway, thanks for the info; no global variables, but file saves look like
> they'll work!
> 
> Tim
> 
> On 2022.08.12 21:26, matthias rebbe via use-livecode wrote:
>> Hi Tim,
>>
>> does the variable have a user specific value or a value, that changes from
> time to time, but is the same for all users?
>>
>> I've done something some time ago and used a text file on the server which
> stored that value. In my case the value was not user specific so it was an
> easy task.
>>
>>
>> If the variable is user specific, why don't you use a  cookies for that?
> That will grant that the value is available  at all pages in the same
> domain.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Matthias
>>
>>
>>> Am 12.08.2022 um 13:27 schrieb Tim Selander via use-livecode
> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>>
>>> As always, appreciate everyone's help.
>>>
>>> Have made several little projects using LC Server on the on-rev.com host.
> For the first time, I would like a global variable -- that is a variable
> that would retain it's value even if the page is re-loaded. Or if a user
> goes to another .lc page/file in the domain.
>>>
>>> All my playing around, and Googling around, has been for nought. Is there
> a way to hang on to a bit of data was you move around pages in the same
> domain?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Tim Selander
>>> Tokyo, Japan
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>
>>
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From alex at tweedly.net  Fri Aug 12 19:36:34 2022
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2022 00:36:34 +0100
Subject: Server globals
In-Reply-To: <81d60127-fcdf-afbf-3c9c-70cb3a2041f1@tkf.att.ne.jp>
References: <fdf1b73b-4f0e-7219-f1a6-95550e0f8a0c@tkf.att.ne.jp>
 <C19B916C-3A6C-42AF-9E91-E269DA6717BF@m-r-d.de>
 <81d60127-fcdf-afbf-3c9c-70cb3a2041f1@tkf.att.ne.jp>
Message-ID: <463d1a63-a944-a549-8ee0-8ff584a303e5@tweedly.net>

Hi Tim,

I think there are many easy ways to do this - and many not-so-easy ones too.

IMO, easiest for something simple like this is to just use the url.

See tweedly.net/page_by_url.txt for the code, or try it out at 
tweedly.net/page_by_url.lc

(or try tweedly.net/page_by_url.lc?row=14 )

You can do something very similar using a cookie, with the 'row' value 
stored in the cookie each time (remember to "put cookie ..." before 
*any* other output.)

Or by using the cookie to hold the name of a file in which you store 
this kind of info. This is necessary if you need to store a lot of data 
- if there is not already a cookie, create a filename using something 
like uuid(), and store the file name in it - then retrieve the cookie, 
and read or write the file.

Alex.

On 12/08/2022 14:18, Tim Selander via use-livecode wrote:
> Hi Matthias,
>
> It is user specific, but I just tried the saving to a text file on the 
> server -- very fast. Got the user IP from $_Server, and used that in 
> the filename for easy later retrieval. How much data can a cookie 
> hold? Guess I'll test that.
>
> One of the reasons I'm fussing with this is I'm trying to come up with 
> some kind of pagination system. I'm probably trying to re-invent the 
> wheel -- badly.
>
> It's a simple membership list, with a few hundred records. Only want 
> to show 30 on the page at a time. I wonder if anyone has a LC sample 
> for doing that. I tried Ralph Bitter's Revigniter but just can't wrap 
> my head around it.
>
> Using MySQL for testing, so could try to figure out using the CURSOR 
> feature. But know nothing about avoiding injection attacks, so may 
> fall back to using  a .csv for the datafile. I've done that for all my 
> other projects....
>
> Anyway, thanks for the info; no global variables, but file saves look 
> like they'll work!
>
> Tim
>
> On 2022.08.12 21:26, matthias rebbe via use-livecode wrote:
>> Hi Tim,
>>
>> does the variable have a user specific value or a value, that changes 
>> from time to time, but is the same for all users?
>>
>> I've done something some time ago and used a text file on the server 
>> which stored that value. In my case the value was not user specific 
>> so it was an easy task.
>>
>>
>> If the variable is user specific, why don't you use a  cookies for 
>> that? That will grant that the value is available  at all pages in 
>> the same domain.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Matthias
>>
>>
>>> Am 12.08.2022 um 13:27 schrieb Tim Selander via use-livecode 
>>> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>>
>>> As always, appreciate everyone's help.
>>>
>>> Have made several little projects using LC Server on the on-rev.com 
>>> host. For the first time, I would like a global variable -- that is 
>>> a variable that would retain it's value even if the page is 
>>> re-loaded. Or if a user goes to another .lc page/file in the domain.
>>>
>>> All my playing around, and Googling around, has been for nought. Is 
>>> there a way to hang on to a bit of data was you move around pages in 
>>> the same domain?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Tim Selander
>>> Tokyo, Japan
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
>>> subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>
>>
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Aug 12 19:37:36 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2022 23:37:36 +0000
Subject: Shouldn't space or enter in a menu select the hilited item?
Message-ID: <70A75B95-A73F-448C-86FA-E1BB2FB9731C@iotecdigital.com>

Hi all. Very odd, I thought this worked. 

I am programmatically popping up a menu, then I want to be able to jse the arrow keys to traverse the selections available. If I click any of the choices, the menuPick handler gets the choice as the first parameter. If however I use the spacebar or the enterKey to select a choice, the parameter is empty in menuPick! That isn't right, is it??

MacOS 10.15.7 LC 9.6.9 rc1

Bob S



From selander at tkf.att.ne.jp  Sat Aug 13 08:52:58 2022
From: selander at tkf.att.ne.jp (Tim Selander)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2022 21:52:58 +0900
Subject: Server globals
In-Reply-To: <463d1a63-a944-a549-8ee0-8ff584a303e5@tweedly.net>
References: <fdf1b73b-4f0e-7219-f1a6-95550e0f8a0c@tkf.att.ne.jp>
 <C19B916C-3A6C-42AF-9E91-E269DA6717BF@m-r-d.de>
 <81d60127-fcdf-afbf-3c9c-70cb3a2041f1@tkf.att.ne.jp>
 <463d1a63-a944-a549-8ee0-8ff584a303e5@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <3f3ecf2d-a360-18d0-6d8d-c1da9d889ab0@tkf.att.ne.jp>

Alex,

Went to your page, and wow, that is exactly what I was trying to 
do. I'm still trying to figure out exactly how you do it, but I'm 
headed in the right direction.

Thanks!

Tim

On 2022.08.13 8:36, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:
> Hi Tim,
> 
> I think there are many easy ways to do this - and many 
> not-so-easy ones too.
> 
> IMO, easiest for something simple like this is to just use the url.
> 
> See tweedly.net/page_by_url.txt for the code, or try it out at 
> tweedly.net/page_by_url.lc
> 
> (or try tweedly.net/page_by_url.lc?row=14 )
> 
> You can do something very similar using a cookie, with the 'row' 
> value stored in the cookie each time (remember to "put cookie 
> ..." before *any* other output.)
> 
> Or by using the cookie to hold the name of a file in which you 
> store this kind of info. This is necessary if you need to store a 
> lot of data - if there is not already a cookie, create a filename 
> using something like uuid(), and store the file name in it - then 
> retrieve the cookie, and read or write the file.
> 
> Alex.
> 
> On 12/08/2022 14:18, Tim Selander via use-livecode wrote:
>> Hi Matthias,
>>
>> It is user specific, but I just tried the saving to a text file 
>> on the server -- very fast. Got the user IP from $_Server, and 
>> used that in the filename for easy later retrieval. How much 
>> data can a cookie hold? Guess I'll test that.
>>
>> One of the reasons I'm fussing with this is I'm trying to come 
>> up with some kind of pagination system. I'm probably trying to 
>> re-invent the wheel -- badly.
>>
>> It's a simple membership list, with a few hundred records. Only 
>> want to show 30 on the page at a time. I wonder if anyone has a 
>> LC sample for doing that. I tried Ralph Bitter's Revigniter but 
>> just can't wrap my head around it.
>>
>> Using MySQL for testing, so could try to figure out using the 
>> CURSOR feature. But know nothing about avoiding injection 
>> attacks, so may fall back to using  a .csv for the datafile. 
>> I've done that for all my other projects....
>>
>> Anyway, thanks for the info; no global variables, but file 
>> saves look like they'll work!
>>
>> Tim
>>
>> On 2022.08.12 21:26, matthias rebbe via use-livecode wrote:
>>> Hi Tim,
>>>
>>> does the variable have a user specific value or a value, that 
>>> changes from time to time, but is the same for all users?
>>>
>>> I've done something some time ago and used a text file on the 
>>> server which stored that value. In my case the value was not 
>>> user specific so it was an easy task.
>>>
>>>
>>> If the variable is user specific, why don't you use a  cookies 
>>> for that? That will grant that the value is available  at all 
>>> pages in the same domain.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Matthias
>>>
>>>
>>>> Am 12.08.2022 um 13:27 schrieb Tim Selander via use-livecode 
>>>> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>>>
>>>> As always, appreciate everyone's help.
>>>>
>>>> Have made several little projects using LC Server on the 
>>>> on-rev.com host. For the first time, I would like a global 
>>>> variable -- that is a variable that would retain it's value 
>>>> even if the page is re-loaded. Or if a user goes to another 
>>>> .lc page/file in the domain.
>>>>
>>>> All my playing around, and Googling around, has been for 
>>>> nought. Is there a way to hang on to a bit of data was you 
>>>> move around pages in the same domain?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> Tim Selander
>>>> Tokyo, Japan
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage 
>>>> your subscription preferences:
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>>>
>>>
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From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Sat Aug 13 14:49:26 2022
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2022 14:49:26 -0400
Subject: Server globals
In-Reply-To: <3f3ecf2d-a360-18d0-6d8d-c1da9d889ab0@tkf.att.ne.jp>
References: <fdf1b73b-4f0e-7219-f1a6-95550e0f8a0c@tkf.att.ne.jp>
 <C19B916C-3A6C-42AF-9E91-E269DA6717BF@m-r-d.de>
 <81d60127-fcdf-afbf-3c9c-70cb3a2041f1@tkf.att.ne.jp>
 <463d1a63-a944-a549-8ee0-8ff584a303e5@tweedly.net>
 <3f3ecf2d-a360-18d0-6d8d-c1da9d889ab0@tkf.att.ne.jp>
Message-ID: <CADCoycNU8rQWJtAstH-gfCnd6onx-2dtJzPM=7f55ig6Po9rTg@mail.gmail.com>

With LC thinking that they want to emphasize web apps, more, the
complications with server probably also need some effort.

On Sat, Aug 13, 2022 at 8:54 AM Tim Selander via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Alex,
>
> Went to your page, and wow, that is exactly what I was trying to
> do. I'm still trying to figure out exactly how you do it, but I'm
> headed in the right direction.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Tim
>
> On 2022.08.13 8:36, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:
> > Hi Tim,
> >
> > I think there are many easy ways to do this - and many
> > not-so-easy ones too.
> >
> > IMO, easiest for something simple like this is to just use the url.
> >
> > See tweedly.net/page_by_url.txt for the code, or try it out at
> > tweedly.net/page_by_url.lc
> >
> > (or try tweedly.net/page_by_url.lc?row=14 )
> >
> > You can do something very similar using a cookie, with the 'row'
> > value stored in the cookie each time (remember to "put cookie
> > ..." before *any* other output.)
> >
> > Or by using the cookie to hold the name of a file in which you
> > store this kind of info. This is necessary if you need to store a
> > lot of data - if there is not already a cookie, create a filename
> > using something like uuid(), and store the file name in it - then
> > retrieve the cookie, and read or write the file.
> >
> > Alex.
> >
> > On 12/08/2022 14:18, Tim Selander via use-livecode wrote:
> >> Hi Matthias,
> >>
> >> It is user specific, but I just tried the saving to a text file
> >> on the server -- very fast. Got the user IP from $_Server, and
> >> used that in the filename for easy later retrieval. How much
> >> data can a cookie hold? Guess I'll test that.
> >>
> >> One of the reasons I'm fussing with this is I'm trying to come
> >> up with some kind of pagination system. I'm probably trying to
> >> re-invent the wheel -- badly.
> >>
> >> It's a simple membership list, with a few hundred records. Only
> >> want to show 30 on the page at a time. I wonder if anyone has a
> >> LC sample for doing that. I tried Ralph Bitter's Revigniter but
> >> just can't wrap my head around it.
> >>
> >> Using MySQL for testing, so could try to figure out using the
> >> CURSOR feature. But know nothing about avoiding injection
> >> attacks, so may fall back to using  a .csv for the datafile.
> >> I've done that for all my other projects....
> >>
> >> Anyway, thanks for the info; no global variables, but file
> >> saves look like they'll work!
> >>
> >> Tim
> >>
> >> On 2022.08.12 21:26, matthias rebbe via use-livecode wrote:
> >>> Hi Tim,
> >>>
> >>> does the variable have a user specific value or a value, that
> >>> changes from time to time, but is the same for all users?
> >>>
> >>> I've done something some time ago and used a text file on the
> >>> server which stored that value. In my case the value was not
> >>> user specific so it was an easy task.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> If the variable is user specific, why don't you use a  cookies
> >>> for that? That will grant that the value is available  at all
> >>> pages in the same domain.
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Matthias
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Am 12.08.2022 um 13:27 schrieb Tim Selander via use-livecode
> >>>> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> >>>>
> >>>> As always, appreciate everyone's help.
> >>>>
> >>>> Have made several little projects using LC Server on the
> >>>> on-rev.com host. For the first time, I would like a global
> >>>> variable -- that is a variable that would retain it's value
> >>>> even if the page is re-loaded. Or if a user goes to another
> >>>> .lc page/file in the domain.
> >>>>
> >>>> All my playing around, and Googling around, has been for
> >>>> nought. Is there a way to hang on to a bit of data was you
> >>>> move around pages in the same domain?
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks.
> >>>>
> >>>> Tim Selander
> >>>> Tokyo, Japan
> >>>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> use-livecode mailing list
> >>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage
> >>>> your subscription preferences:
> >>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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From andreas.bergendal at gmail.com  Sat Aug 13 15:24:59 2022
From: andreas.bergendal at gmail.com (Andreas Bergendal)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2022 21:24:59 +0200
Subject: A web app launcher with responsive design
Message-ID: <7CB3161B-4245-4529-8FE7-716DEFB4A6D5@gmail.com>

Friends, I have done wonderful things with LC10 web deployment!

I’m excited to share with you the fruits of this week's extensive research and testing!

TL;DR:
Try this: https://wheninspace.com/portal/ <https://wheninspace.com/portal/>

Long version:

I wanted to do two things:

1) Like we often do with desktop standalones: Create a minimal launcher/splash stack as standalone, which only does one thing - open an external stack that does everything else. This way I can then update individual stacks, without having to build a new standalone each time.

2) Get the resizing of the browser window to trigger the resize of the stacks and all the responsive design therein, and make it look good on both desktop and mobile. (Refining the example from the mothership, ”Meeting space”.)

I have accomplished both!
You can see and test the result here:
https://wheninspace.com/portal/ <https://wheninspace.com/portal/>

Please try it both in desktop browsers (resizing the browser to various sizes) and mobile browsers (both portrait and landscape orientation).

The standalone consists of a minimal launch stack that just acts as event listening agent (even after closing itself) and opens the Portal stack which is an external LC stack. The Portal stack then has buttons for opening additional external LC stacks. 

When the launcher stack receives a resize signal from the browser (from the JavaScript in the html file), it dispatches ”resizeEvent” with the width/height values to the topStack, which can subsequently rearrange its stack rect and content accordingly.

As a bonus, I also demonstrate the possibility to show several stacks in the same browser window!

I find the LC web deployment option a true game-changer! A new world is opening! Let’s build it! :)

/Andreas

From colinholgate at gmail.com  Sat Aug 13 16:59:05 2022
From: colinholgate at gmail.com (Colin Holgate)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2022 14:59:05 -0600
Subject: Running installer on Windows 10
Message-ID: <35C01E39-3C91-43E9-A3F8-ACDDCCDF7FD9@gmail.com>

I am testing a stack on some different systems, and on Mac M1, Mac Intel, Intel i7 PC with Windows 10, and an Intel Celeron N5095 with Windows 11, no problems.

On an Intel Celeron N3450, Windows 10, nothing happens when opening the LiveCode 9.6.8 x86-64 installer, or if I open a standalone app that I made. When using run as admin, the initial “are you sure” screen appears, but then after that nothing happens.

What could be different between a Celeron N5095 and a Celeron N3450, that would account for why LiveCode applications don’t open?

I see from this post:

https://forums.unrealengine.com/t/epic-games-launcher-does-not-open/420387 <https://forums.unrealengine.com/t/epic-games-launcher-does-not-open/420387>

that some software might not like an Intel HD Graphics 500, but would that be a reason for the installer to fail silently?

I worked around the issue for now by saving the stack as v7. The 7.1.3 installer works ok.

From tom at makeshyft.com  Sat Aug 13 17:23:48 2022
From: tom at makeshyft.com (Tom Glod)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2022 17:23:48 -0400
Subject: Livecode SQLite
In-Reply-To: <fd399822a5fdad9e930b14a62ac12b92@livecode.com>
References: <CAPzQJL+u4Ct1sMqZ0Qrb77g4PsY8EfzLzy_vt8fHxhcHdWkQ4g@mail.gmail.com>
 <fd399822a5fdad9e930b14a62ac12b92@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <CAPzQJLJGok7Suibqv+P+tMTQ3pZvdnAP_3UPSxe3MO9FtmEvLQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Mark, I'm using very simple examples to run it, so I don't think its my
query, but you are eight I shouldreport this. This would be really great to
have. Esp since  almost everything is json these days.
I will report it in the next few days. Thanks,

On Fri, Aug 12, 2022 at 12:57 AM Mark Waddingham via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> On 2022-08-11 16:16, Tom Glod via use-livecode wrote:
> > I was interested in implementing a relatively new feature where you can
> > index and query json documents and read the keys directly.
> >
> > https://dgl.cx/2020/06/sqlite-json-support
> >
> > I guess, if this is true, is there any documentation about which
> > features
> > of sqlite are implemented and which are not?
>
> The version of SQLite is currently 3.34 built with FTS3,
> FTS3_PARANTHESIS, FTS4, FTS5, RTREE and JSON1 options.
>
> So the JSON features (at least as far as those included in 3.34) should
> be included - perhaps the queries you are trying rely on features
> (perhaps not JSON related) included in more recent versions?
>
> If you file a bug report with what examples of what isn't working, then
> we'll look into updating to the latest version of the library.
>
> Warmest Regards,
>
> Mark.
>
> --
> Mark Waddingham ~ mark at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
> LiveCode: Everyone can create apps
>
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From marksmithhfx at gmail.com  Sat Aug 13 17:39:57 2022
From: marksmithhfx at gmail.com (Mark Smith)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2022 22:39:57 +0100
Subject: A web app launcher with responsive design
In-Reply-To: <7CB3161B-4245-4529-8FE7-716DEFB4A6D5@gmail.com>
References: <7CB3161B-4245-4529-8FE7-716DEFB4A6D5@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E296306E-86D6-4C66-8544-A2688A8BFD17@gmail.com>

Congratulations Andreas and thanks for sharing. I haven’t done any work with the new LC HTML5 engine but I was really impressed with the speed of loading it on my new M1 Pro — about 3-4 seconds on first download and then a second or so thereafter. On my iPhone 12 not so fast… more like 30 on the first download but again very quick (a second or two) on subsequent loads. It looks like you’ve got a lot of the tech working with objects and screens and the adaptive resizing. When I do get around to getting into this (and it looks very enticing) I’ll know where to go for help :)

Mark


> On 13 Aug 2022, at 8:24 pm, Andreas Bergendal via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Friends, I have done wonderful things with LC10 web deployment!
> 
> I’m excited to share with you the fruits of this week's extensive research and testing!
> 
> TL;DR:
> Try this: https://wheninspace.com/portal/ <https://wheninspace.com/portal/>
> 
> Long version:
> 
> I wanted to do two things:
> 
> 1) Like we often do with desktop standalones: Create a minimal launcher/splash stack as standalone, which only does one thing - open an external stack that does everything else. This way I can then update individual stacks, without having to build a new standalone each time.
> 
> 2) Get the resizing of the browser window to trigger the resize of the stacks and all the responsive design therein, and make it look good on both desktop and mobile. (Refining the example from the mothership, ”Meeting space”.)
> 
> I have accomplished both!
> You can see and test the result here:
> https://wheninspace.com/portal/ <https://wheninspace.com/portal/>
> 
> Please try it both in desktop browsers (resizing the browser to various sizes) and mobile browsers (both portrait and landscape orientation).
> 
> The standalone consists of a minimal launch stack that just acts as event listening agent (even after closing itself) and opens the Portal stack which is an external LC stack. The Portal stack then has buttons for opening additional external LC stacks. 
> 
> When the launcher stack receives a resize signal from the browser (from the JavaScript in the html file), it dispatches ”resizeEvent” with the width/height values to the topStack, which can subsequently rearrange its stack rect and content accordingly.
> 
> As a bonus, I also demonstrate the possibility to show several stacks in the same browser window!
> 
> I find the LC web deployment option a true game-changer! A new world is opening! Let’s build it! :)
> 
> /Andreas
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode



From tom at makeshyft.com  Sat Aug 13 20:06:10 2022
From: tom at makeshyft.com (Tom Glod)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2022 20:06:10 -0400
Subject: A web app launcher with responsive design
In-Reply-To: <E296306E-86D6-4C66-8544-A2688A8BFD17@gmail.com>
References: <7CB3161B-4245-4529-8FE7-716DEFB4A6D5@gmail.com>
 <E296306E-86D6-4C66-8544-A2688A8BFD17@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPzQJLKDk6RJ=DwcAbe2xN19Gmw6DenRTZu1=pvY3TU2v=UT=g@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Andreas, thanks for sharing, cool example of responsive design.

I thought the HTML5/javascript export was dead, and WASM would be used
instead.
It could be my own confusion about terminology being used.
Can someone clarify this for me?

Thanks,

Tom


On Sat, Aug 13, 2022 at 5:41 PM Mark Smith via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Congratulations Andreas and thanks for sharing. I haven’t done any work
> with the new LC HTML5 engine but I was really impressed with the speed of
> loading it on my new M1 Pro — about 3-4 seconds on first download and then
> a second or so thereafter. On my iPhone 12 not so fast… more like 30 on the
> first download but again very quick (a second or two) on subsequent loads.
> It looks like you’ve got a lot of the tech working with objects and screens
> and the adaptive resizing. When I do get around to getting into this (and
> it looks very enticing) I’ll know where to go for help :)
>
> Mark
>
>
> > On 13 Aug 2022, at 8:24 pm, Andreas Bergendal via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Friends, I have done wonderful things with LC10 web deployment!
> >
> > I’m excited to share with you the fruits of this week's extensive
> research and testing!
> >
> > TL;DR:
> > Try this: https://wheninspace.com/portal/ <
> https://wheninspace.com/portal/>
> >
> > Long version:
> >
> > I wanted to do two things:
> >
> > 1) Like we often do with desktop standalones: Create a minimal
> launcher/splash stack as standalone, which only does one thing - open an
> external stack that does everything else. This way I can then update
> individual stacks, without having to build a new standalone each time.
> >
> > 2) Get the resizing of the browser window to trigger the resize of the
> stacks and all the responsive design therein, and make it look good on both
> desktop and mobile. (Refining the example from the mothership, ”Meeting
> space”.)
> >
> > I have accomplished both!
> > You can see and test the result here:
> > https://wheninspace.com/portal/ <https://wheninspace.com/portal/>
> >
> > Please try it both in desktop browsers (resizing the browser to various
> sizes) and mobile browsers (both portrait and landscape orientation).
> >
> > The standalone consists of a minimal launch stack that just acts as
> event listening agent (even after closing itself) and opens the Portal
> stack which is an external LC stack. The Portal stack then has buttons for
> opening additional external LC stacks.
> >
> > When the launcher stack receives a resize signal from the browser (from
> the JavaScript in the html file), it dispatches ”resizeEvent” with the
> width/height values to the topStack, which can subsequently rearrange its
> stack rect and content accordingly.
> >
> > As a bonus, I also demonstrate the possibility to show several stacks in
> the same browser window!
> >
> > I find the LC web deployment option a true game-changer! A new world is
> opening! Let’s build it! :)
> >
> > /Andreas
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>
>
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From alex at tweedly.net  Sat Aug 13 20:16:23 2022
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2022 01:16:23 +0100
Subject: A web app launcher with responsive design
In-Reply-To: <7CB3161B-4245-4529-8FE7-716DEFB4A6D5@gmail.com>
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On 13/08/2022 20:24, Andreas Bergendal via use-livecode wrote:
> Friends, I have done wonderful things with LC10 web deployment!
>
> Im excited to share with you the fruits of this week's extensive research and testing!
>
Wow. Thanks Andreas.

Resize, etc. work well for me on Safari, but fail badly on Chrome 
browser (details not included) - all build-for-web attempts fail on this 
version of Chrome.  (which it says is up-to-date).


However, the way I read your email ( "...excited to share with you the 
fruits of this week's..."), I think ui intend to make this code 
available for the rest of us to use. But, I cant see a link, or a way to 
get access to the source.

Please tell me I'm not over-interpreting your words. Please say that you 
have, or will, publish the text of the stacks involved.

Many thanks again,

Alex.




From marksmithhfx at gmail.com  Sun Aug 14 00:13:30 2022
From: marksmithhfx at gmail.com (Mark Smith)
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2022 05:13:30 +0100
Subject: A web app launcher with responsive design
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Hi Tom, Andreas didn’t mention what the platform was in his message so I just googled  “LC web deployment” and it turned up this… 

https://lessons.livecode.com/m/4071/l/800867-how-do-i-put-my-first-app-on-the-web

However, since you mentioned WASM I looked it up and you are correct, LC 10 (which Andreas was using) is using Web Assembly not HTML5. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 14, 2022, at 1:07 AM, Tom Glod via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hey Andreas, thanks for sharing, cool example of responsive design.
> 
> I thought the HTML5/javascript export was dead, and WASM would be used
> instead.
> It could be my own confusion about terminology being used.
> Can someone clarify this for me?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Tom
> 
> 
>> On Sat, Aug 13, 2022 at 5:41 PM Mark Smith via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Congratulations Andreas and thanks for sharing. I haven’t done any work
>> with the new LC HTML5 engine but I was really impressed with the speed of
>> loading it on my new M1 Pro — about 3-4 seconds on first download and then
>> a second or so thereafter. On my iPhone 12 not so fast… more like 30 on the
>> first download but again very quick (a second or two) on subsequent loads.
>> It looks like you’ve got a lot of the tech working with objects and screens
>> and the adaptive resizing. When I do get around to getting into this (and
>> it looks very enticing) I’ll know where to go for help :)
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> 
>>> On 13 Aug 2022, at 8:24 pm, Andreas Bergendal via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Friends, I have done wonderful things with LC10 web deployment!
>>> 
>>> I’m excited to share with you the fruits of this week's extensive
>> research and testing!
>>> 
>>> TL;DR:
>>> Try this: https://wheninspace.com/portal/ <
>> https://wheninspace.com/portal/>
>>> 
>>> Long version:
>>> 
>>> I wanted to do two things:
>>> 
>>> 1) Like we often do with desktop standalones: Create a minimal
>> launcher/splash stack as standalone, which only does one thing - open an
>> external stack that does everything else. This way I can then update
>> individual stacks, without having to build a new standalone each time.
>>> 
>>> 2) Get the resizing of the browser window to trigger the resize of the
>> stacks and all the responsive design therein, and make it look good on both
>> desktop and mobile. (Refining the example from the mothership, ”Meeting
>> space”.)
>>> 
>>> I have accomplished both!
>>> You can see and test the result here:
>>> https://wheninspace.com/portal/ <https://wheninspace.com/portal/>
>>> 
>>> Please try it both in desktop browsers (resizing the browser to various
>> sizes) and mobile browsers (both portrait and landscape orientation).
>>> 
>>> The standalone consists of a minimal launch stack that just acts as
>> event listening agent (even after closing itself) and opens the Portal
>> stack which is an external LC stack. The Portal stack then has buttons for
>> opening additional external LC stacks.
>>> 
>>> When the launcher stack receives a resize signal from the browser (from
>> the JavaScript in the html file), it dispatches ”resizeEvent” with the
>> width/height values to the topStack, which can subsequently rearrange its
>> stack rect and content accordingly.
>>> 
>>> As a bonus, I also demonstrate the possibility to show several stacks in
>> the same browser window!
>>> 
>>> I find the LC web deployment option a true game-changer! A new world is
>> opening! Let’s build it! :)
>>> 
>>> /Andreas
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> 
>> 
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From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Sun Aug 14 00:50:56 2022
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2022 21:50:56 -0700
Subject: A web app launcher with responsive design
In-Reply-To: <9958affd-92f5-e62f-bc53-4f3d0cd462b4@tweedly.net>
References: <7CB3161B-4245-4529-8FE7-716DEFB4A6D5@gmail.com>
 <9958affd-92f5-e62f-bc53-4f3d0cd462b4@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <928b85a7-db56-32ae-b896-28428631cfcf@sonic.net>

On 8/13/22 17:16, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:
> 
> On 13/08/2022 20:24, Andreas Bergendal via use-livecode wrote:
>> Friends, I have done wonderful things with LC10 web deployment!
>>
>> Im excited to share with you the fruits of this week's extensive 
>> research and testing!
>>
> Wow. Thanks Andreas.
> 
> Resize, etc. work well for me on Safari, but fail badly on Chrome 
> browser (details not included) - all build-for-web attempts fail on this 
> version of Chrome.  (which it says is up-to-date).

OTOH, it's working fine for me on Chrome. Go figger.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com


From andreas.bergendal at gmail.com  Sun Aug 14 06:47:16 2022
From: andreas.bergendal at gmail.com (Andreas Bergendal)
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2022 12:47:16 +0200
Subject: A web app launcher with responsive design
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References: <7CB3161B-4245-4529-8FE7-716DEFB4A6D5@gmail.com>
 <E296306E-86D6-4C66-8544-A2688A8BFD17@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6F651EAA-8405-47B3-B8CA-868758401EFE@gmail.com>

Hi all,

Thanks for your feedback on this first test version. It is made with LC 10 dp 4 which indeed uses the wasm tech and not the old html5 tech.

And don’t worry - I wouldn’t have half the knowledge I have in LC coding if it weren’t for the generous sharing on this list and in the forum. Being able to make a small contribution to this knowledge bank is my pleasure.

Here’s a link to a zip file with all the stacks used in the example, plus the index.html file (with I use to replace the standalone.html file produced by the standalone maker):
https://wheninspace.com/portal/LC_wasm_example_package.zip

Note that the links used in the scripts to open stacks all point to my server/domain (obviously) , so if you want to experiment with your copy you’ll need to have a server to put them on and change the links accordingly. It will not work by using the Test deployment (at least not out-of-the-box). I do all testing live on the server.

Note the order in which the stacks fire up: LCweblauncher.livecode (which becomes standalone.zip when built) -> uses WISwebLauncherLib.livecodescript -> opens WISwebPortal.livecode -> opens the other stacks.

I’m sure there's room for vast improvement to all this, and I believe there will also be more support for natively handling some things in coming LC10 versions.
But the future looks promising! :)

/Andreas


> 13 aug. 2022 kl. 23:39 skrev Mark Smith <marksmithhfx at gmail.com>:
> 
> Congratulations Andreas and thanks for sharing. I haven’t done any work with the new LC HTML5 engine but I was really impressed with the speed of loading it on my new M1 Pro — about 3-4 seconds on first download and then a second or so thereafter. On my iPhone 12 not so fast… more like 30 on the first download but again very quick (a second or two) on subsequent loads. It looks like you’ve got a lot of the tech working with objects and screens and the adaptive resizing. When I do get around to getting into this (and it looks very enticing) I’ll know where to go for help :)
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
>> On 13 Aug 2022, at 8:24 pm, Andreas Bergendal via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Friends, I have done wonderful things with LC10 web deployment!
>> 
>> I’m excited to share with you the fruits of this week's extensive research and testing!
>> 
>> TL;DR:
>> Try this: https://wheninspace.com/portal/
>> 
>> Long version:
>> 
>> I wanted to do two things:
>> 
>> 1) Like we often do with desktop standalones: Create a minimal launcher/splash stack as standalone, which only does one thing - open an external stack that does everything else. This way I can then update individual stacks, without having to build a new standalone each time.
>> 
>> 2) Get the resizing of the browser window to trigger the resize of the stacks and all the responsive design therein, and make it look good on both desktop and mobile. (Refining the example from the mothership, ”Meeting space”.)
>> 
>> I have accomplished both!
>> You can see and test the result here:
>> https://wheninspace.com/portal/
>> 
>> Please try it both in desktop browsers (resizing the browser to various sizes) and mobile browsers (both portrait and landscape orientation).
>> 
>> The standalone consists of a minimal launch stack that just acts as event listening agent (even after closing itself) and opens the Portal stack which is an external LC stack. The Portal stack then has buttons for opening additional external LC stacks. 
>> 
>> When the launcher stack receives a resize signal from the browser (from the JavaScript in the html file), it dispatches ”resizeEvent” with the width/height values to the topStack, which can subsequently rearrange its stack rect and content accordingly.
>> 
>> As a bonus, I also demonstrate the possibility to show several stacks in the same browser window!
>> 
>> I find the LC web deployment option a true game-changer! A new world is opening! Let’s build it! :)
>> 
>> /Andreas

From jiml at netrin.com  Sun Aug 14 16:02:47 2022
From: jiml at netrin.com (Jim Lambert)
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2022 13:02:47 -0700
Subject: A web app launcher with responsive design 
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1660492802.157259.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
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Andreas,

Very nice!

Thanks,
Jim Lambert


From selander at tkf.att.ne.jp  Mon Aug 15 08:58:25 2022
From: selander at tkf.att.ne.jp (Tim Selander)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2022 21:58:25 +0900
Subject: More Server Silliness
Message-ID: <1549e269-38ea-5c03-06fc-344990ba3b65@tkf.att.ne.jp>

With Alex and everyone's help, I got the global vs cookies, etc., 
sorted out and am happily paginating away with my little 
membership web site.

With Kenji's help, I got automatic address fill-in from Japanese 
zip codes.

However, I was looking at LiveCode's server samples 
(serversamples.livecode.com/index.lc) and thought, gee, the Ajax 
filtering looks pretty neat.

So I set off to make that work, and failed. I'd give up on it, 
but after wasting THIS much time on it, I gotta bring it to you 
all for a little input and hopefully another bail-out.

Just for testing, I made two new files. The first with the code 
LC provides at 
https://serversamples.livecode.com/display-file.lc?filename=ajax-simple.lc 
and the second from step 3 of the ajax sample page, 
https://serversamples.livecode.com/ajax.lc.

Changed only the bits needed to pull data from my database. File 
one, ajax-simple.lc, lists my data and an input box just like the 
sample page. But it sends no info via GET to the second file, 
filter.lc. If I manually put the GET info in the 
URL,(filter.lc?search_term=John, I get the filtered data I 
expect, but in the filter.lc window -- the data is not returned 
to File 1, ajax-simple.lc.

Has anyone using LC Server gotten that ajax sample to work??

Many thanks,

Tim Selander








From heather at livecode.com  Mon Aug 15 09:55:24 2022
From: heather at livecode.com (Heather Laine)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2022 14:55:24 +0100
Subject: [blog] Power Tools
Message-ID: <B34C098C-4210-4C7F-A881-DC29FE45EF4D@livecode.com>

Dear List Folks,

Just dropping a note to draw your attention to a fine blog post by Mr Mark Wieder:

https://livecode.com/power-tools/

Enjoy!

Warm Regards,

Heather

Heather Laine
Customer Services Manager
LiveCode Ltd
www.livecode.com





From selander at tkf.att.ne.jp  Mon Aug 15 11:10:36 2022
From: selander at tkf.att.ne.jp (Tim Selander)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2022 00:10:36 +0900
Subject: More Server Silliness -- Nevermind
In-Reply-To: <1549e269-38ea-5c03-06fc-344990ba3b65@tkf.att.ne.jp>
References: <1549e269-38ea-5c03-06fc-344990ba3b65@tkf.att.ne.jp>
Message-ID: <4eb3b4c4-5a5d-0fb8-e00b-d5787cf861fb@tkf.att.ne.jp>

Using Firefox developer tools, found out jquery was not loading 
property.
Hangs head in shame at rookie mistake...

Still not working properly, but continue to poke at it.

Tim Selander

On 2022.08.15 21:58, Tim Selander via use-livecode wrote:
> With Alex and everyone's help, I got the global vs cookies, etc., 
> sorted out and am happily paginating away with my little 
> membership web site.
> 
> With Kenji's help, I got automatic address fill-in from Japanese 
> zip codes.
> 
> However, I was looking at LiveCode's server samples 
> (serversamples.livecode.com/index.lc) and thought, gee, the Ajax 
> filtering looks pretty neat.
> 
> So I set off to make that work, and failed. I'd give up on it, 
> but after wasting THIS much time on it, I gotta bring it to you 
> all for a little input and hopefully another bail-out.
> 
> Just for testing, I made two new files. The first with the code 
> LC provides at 
> https://serversamples.livecode.com/display-file.lc?filename=ajax-simple.lc 
> and the second from step 3 of the ajax sample page, 
> https://serversamples.livecode.com/ajax.lc.
> 
> Changed only the bits needed to pull data from my database. File 
> one, ajax-simple.lc, lists my data and an input box just like the 
> sample page. But it sends no info via GET to the second file, 
> filter.lc. If I manually put the GET info in the 
> URL,(filter.lc?search_term=John, I get the filtered data I 
> expect, but in the filter.lc window -- the data is not returned 
> to File 1, ajax-simple.lc.
> 
> Has anyone using LC Server gotten that ajax sample to work??
> 
> Many thanks,
> 
> Tim Selander
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From craig at starfirelighting.com  Mon Aug 15 14:00:37 2022
From: craig at starfirelighting.com (Craig Newman)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2022 14:00:37 -0400
Subject: Shouldn't space or enter in a menu select the hilited item?
In-Reply-To: <70A75B95-A73F-448C-86FA-E1BB2FB9731C@iotecdigital.com>
References: <70A75B95-A73F-448C-86FA-E1BB2FB9731C@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <24EBA058-E6F8-417B-8B94-AEFCCDE3E717@starfirelighting.com>

Hi.

I am missing something. Make a popup menu button. Ina mouseUp handler in another button:

on mouseUp
  click at the loc of btn 1
end mouseUp

Once the menu is open, the up and down arrow keys navigate among the menuItems.

Craig

> On Aug 12, 2022, at 7:37 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi all. Very odd, I thought this worked. 
> 
> I am programmatically popping up a menu, then I want to be able to jse the arrow keys to traverse the selections available. If I click any of the choices, the menuPick handler gets the choice as the first parameter. If however I use the spacebar or the enterKey to select a choice, the parameter is empty in menuPick! That isn't right, is it??
> 
> MacOS 10.15.7 LC 9.6.9 rc1
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
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From craig at starfirelighting.com  Mon Aug 15 14:03:00 2022
From: craig at starfirelighting.com (Craig Newman)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2022 14:03:00 -0400
Subject: Shouldn't space or enter in a menu select the hilited item?
In-Reply-To: <70A75B95-A73F-448C-86FA-E1BB2FB9731C@iotecdigital.com>
References: <70A75B95-A73F-448C-86FA-E1BB2FB9731C@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <12842B27-1D43-4A12-8C8D-47426821E70A@starfirelighting.com>

Hi, I was not complete. Once the arrow keys have found the menuItem of interest, clicking Enter or Return executes the menuPick handler.

Craig

> On Aug 12, 2022, at 7:37 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi all. Very odd, I thought this worked. 
> 
> I am programmatically popping up a menu, then I want to be able to jse the arrow keys to traverse the selections available. If I click any of the choices, the menuPick handler gets the choice as the first parameter. If however I use the spacebar or the enterKey to select a choice, the parameter is empty in menuPick! That isn't right, is it??
> 
> MacOS 10.15.7 LC 9.6.9 rc1
> 
> Bob S
> 
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From paul at researchware.com  Mon Aug 15 14:29:20 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2022 14:29:20 -0400
Subject: Polygrid sorting
Message-ID: <d3e79085-1552-b5fe-9289-99c60976a6a9@researchware.com>

So, I bought the Summer Bundle. Yes, it is a good deal.

In my case it was primarily for the Polygrid widget. Our application 
uses a Datagrid to display customer research data. The columns headers 
are text and the left most column ROWs are test and all other cells are 
numbers. Some customers can have quite large data sets and I have been 
running into the number of columns (ad a default width of 100px per 
column) exceeding a GROUPs 32,767px width maximum (about 327-328 
columns). At this point the Datagrid just fails - no data is displayed.

I can now attest that a Polygrid (under LC 9.6.8) does not have this 
limit. I have a "test" stack (for Datagrid testing) I converted to the 
Polygrid and can easily generate 1000 columns x 1000 rows of data and it 
works.

So I guess the answer to bug 
https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23875 is "Use the PolyGrid"

On that note, the Datagrid has 2 features I use in this specific case, 
user column resizing (built into the Polygrid - Yea!) and column sorting 
(NOT built into the Polygrid - Boo!). So, does anyone have some column 
sort code for the Polygrid they have written that they might be willing 
to share?

Also, I have filled a Polygrid enhancement request to allow the left 
column (or the left N columns) to be locked/frozen, so they remain 
visible when the Polygrid is scrolled horizontally. See 
https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23880. If you might benefit 
from this enhancement, please follow the bug or add a comment to that 
effect.



From paul at researchware.com  Mon Aug 15 15:34:39 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2022 15:34:39 -0400
Subject: Polygrid sorting (problems)
In-Reply-To: <d3e79085-1552-b5fe-9289-99c60976a6a9@researchware.com>
References: <d3e79085-1552-b5fe-9289-99c60976a6a9@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <4bf5092d-5a4c-d27d-d6fb-a9245c6ba728@researchware.com>

So there is an example of sorting in the PolyGrid documentation under 
the entry for the MESSAGE "headerClick" and under the entry to the 
PROPERTY "text" (and in 'the text of me')

The example code only sort the visible rows as "the text of widget X" 
returns the data of PolyGrid X as tab delimited, WITHOUT the column 
headers, but ONLY the visible rows.

So, what to use for sorting all the data in a PolyGrid by a particular 
column?

The tsvData of widget X (and csvData, and Text) doesn't seem to work. 
The all seems to only get the visible data (rows). Only the pgData of 
widget return the whole dataset of the PolyGrid. Is this the way these 
properties are supposed to work?

If that is how text, csvData, and tsvData are supposed to work 
(returning only the visible rows), then the sort example in the PolyGrid 
documentation require updating otherwise these properties require updating!



On 8/15/2022 2:29 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
> So, I bought the Summer Bundle. Yes, it is a good deal.
>
> In my case it was primarily for the Polygrid widget. Our application 
> uses a Datagrid to display customer research data. The columns headers 
> are text and the left most column ROWs are test and all other cells 
> are numbers. Some customers can have quite large data sets and I have 
> been running into the number of columns (ad a default width of 100px 
> per column) exceeding a GROUPs 32,767px width maximum (about 327-328 
> columns). At this point the Datagrid just fails - no data is displayed.
>
> I can now attest that a Polygrid (under LC 9.6.8) does not have this 
> limit. I have a "test" stack (for Datagrid testing) I converted to the 
> Polygrid and can easily generate 1000 columns x 1000 rows of data and 
> it works.
>
> So I guess the answer to bug 
> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23875 is "Use the PolyGrid"
>
> On that note, the Datagrid has 2 features I use in this specific case, 
> user column resizing (built into the Polygrid - Yea!) and column 
> sorting (NOT built into the Polygrid - Boo!). So, does anyone have 
> some column sort code for the Polygrid they have written that they 
> might be willing to share?
>
> Also, I have filled a Polygrid enhancement request to allow the left 
> column (or the left N columns) to be locked/frozen, so they remain 
> visible when the Polygrid is scrolled horizontally. See 
> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23880. If you might 
> benefit from this enhancement, please follow the bug or add a comment 
> to that effect.
>
>
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From marksmithhfx at gmail.com  Mon Aug 15 16:01:34 2022
From: marksmithhfx at gmail.com (Mark Smith)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2022 21:01:34 +0100
Subject: Polygrid sorting
In-Reply-To: <d3e79085-1552-b5fe-9289-99c60976a6a9@researchware.com>
References: <d3e79085-1552-b5fe-9289-99c60976a6a9@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <94E40C36-74A8-485A-B829-E49118656D2A@gmail.com>

Hi Paul,

I downloaded your sample stack, put 100 into the Columns field, heard 3 audible beeps but no data (or PolyGrid) appeared. There is data in the pgcolumnnames and pgdata custom properties (so those values were defined). It’s just the grid that did not appear. Thinking it might be my laptop (apple silicon M1) I tried it on an Intel MacBook Pro and got the same result. 

I am a big fan of being able to lock top and left-most column/rows of any grid and would happily endorse your request.

Cheers,
Mark

> On 15 Aug 2022, at 7:29 pm, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> So, I bought the Summer Bundle. Yes, it is a good deal.
> 
> In my case it was primarily for the Polygrid widget. Our application uses a Datagrid to display customer research data. The columns headers are text and the left most column ROWs are test and all other cells are numbers. Some customers can have quite large data sets and I have been running into the number of columns (ad a default width of 100px per column) exceeding a GROUPs 32,767px width maximum (about 327-328 columns). At this point the Datagrid just fails - no data is displayed.
> 
> I can now attest that a Polygrid (under LC 9.6.8) does not have this limit. I have a "test" stack (for Datagrid testing) I converted to the Polygrid and can easily generate 1000 columns x 1000 rows of data and it works.
> 
> So I guess the answer to bug https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23875 is "Use the PolyGrid"
> 
> On that note, the Datagrid has 2 features I use in this specific case, user column resizing (built into the Polygrid - Yea!) and column sorting (NOT built into the Polygrid - Boo!). So, does anyone have some column sort code for the Polygrid they have written that they might be willing to share?
> 
> Also, I have filled a Polygrid enhancement request to allow the left column (or the left N columns) to be locked/frozen, so they remain visible when the Polygrid is scrolled horizontally. See https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23880. If you might benefit from this enhancement, please follow the bug or add a comment to that effect.
> 
> 
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From paul at researchware.com  Mon Aug 15 16:10:49 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2022 16:10:49 -0400
Subject: Polygrid sorting
In-Reply-To: <94E40C36-74A8-485A-B829-E49118656D2A@gmail.com>
References: <d3e79085-1552-b5fe-9289-99c60976a6a9@researchware.com>
 <94E40C36-74A8-485A-B829-E49118656D2A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <304471d6-fcd0-2157-fd49-845f83d8315c@researchware.com>

Okay, I built the stack and tested it under Windows 10. The 3 beeps are 
intentional. It is to let me know when it is done as some test with 500+ 
columns/rows takes a while. It does display under LC9.6.8 (64 bit) on 
Windows 10.

Now I have to go try it on macOS?



On 8/15/2022 4:01 PM, Mark Smith via use-livecode wrote:
> Hi Paul,
>
> I downloaded your sample stack, put 100 into the Columns field, heard 3 audible beeps but no data (or PolyGrid) appeared. There is data in the pgcolumnnames and pgdata custom properties (so those values were defined). Its just the grid that did not appear. Thinking it might be my laptop (apple silicon M1) I tried it on an Intel MacBook Pro and got the same result.
>
> I am a big fan of being able to lock top and left-most column/rows of any grid and would happily endorse your request.
>
> Cheers,
> Mark
>
>> On 15 Aug 2022, at 7:29 pm, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> So, I bought the Summer Bundle. Yes, it is a good deal.
>>
>> In my case it was primarily for the Polygrid widget. Our application uses a Datagrid to display customer research data. The columns headers are text and the left most column ROWs are test and all other cells are numbers. Some customers can have quite large data sets and I have been running into the number of columns (ad a default width of 100px per column) exceeding a GROUPs 32,767px width maximum (about 327-328 columns). At this point the Datagrid just fails - no data is displayed.
>>
>> I can now attest that a Polygrid (under LC 9.6.8) does not have this limit. I have a "test" stack (for Datagrid testing) I converted to the Polygrid and can easily generate 1000 columns x 1000 rows of data and it works.
>>
>> So I guess the answer to bug https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23875 is "Use the PolyGrid"
>>
>> On that note, the Datagrid has 2 features I use in this specific case, user column resizing (built into the Polygrid - Yea!) and column sorting (NOT built into the Polygrid - Boo!). So, does anyone have some column sort code for the Polygrid they have written that they might be willing to share?
>>
>> Also, I have filled a Polygrid enhancement request to allow the left column (or the left N columns) to be locked/frozen, so they remain visible when the Polygrid is scrolled horizontally. See https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23880. If you might benefit from this enhancement, please follow the bug or add a comment to that effect.
>>
>>
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From paul at researchware.com  Mon Aug 15 16:12:51 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2022 16:12:51 -0400
Subject: Polygrid sorting
In-Reply-To: <d3e79085-1552-b5fe-9289-99c60976a6a9@researchware.com>
References: <d3e79085-1552-b5fe-9289-99c60976a6a9@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <2d8ff1a2-2f92-6874-cac0-2e568f39f7ce@researchware.com>

So I see that the Summer Bundle of widgets in the store has a note that 
says "Latest update 1.0.19: 11 August 2022"

However, the Download button says "Version 1.0.0". Does anyone know how 
to update the widget set to 1.0.19 or how to update a single widget?



On 8/15/2022 2:29 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
> So, I bought the Summer Bundle. Yes, it is a good deal.
>
> In my case it was primarily for the Polygrid widget. Our application 
> uses a Datagrid to display customer research data. The columns headers 
> are text and the left most column ROWs are test and all other cells 
> are numbers. Some customers can have quite large data sets and I have 
> been running into the number of columns (ad a default width of 100px 
> per column) exceeding a GROUPs 32,767px width maximum (about 327-328 
> columns). At this point the Datagrid just fails - no data is displayed.
>
> I can now attest that a Polygrid (under LC 9.6.8) does not have this 
> limit. I have a "test" stack (for Datagrid testing) I converted to the 
> Polygrid and can easily generate 1000 columns x 1000 rows of data and 
> it works.
>
> So I guess the answer to bug 
> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23875 is "Use the PolyGrid"
>
> On that note, the Datagrid has 2 features I use in this specific case, 
> user column resizing (built into the Polygrid - Yea!) and column 
> sorting (NOT built into the Polygrid - Boo!). So, does anyone have 
> some column sort code for the Polygrid they have written that they 
> might be willing to share?
>
> Also, I have filled a Polygrid enhancement request to allow the left 
> column (or the left N columns) to be locked/frozen, so they remain 
> visible when the Polygrid is scrolled horizontally. See 
> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23880. If you might 
> benefit from this enhancement, please follow the bug or add a comment 
> to that effect.
>
>
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> subscription preferences:
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From paul at researchware.com  Mon Aug 15 16:33:31 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2022 16:33:31 -0400
Subject: Polygrid sorting
In-Reply-To: <94E40C36-74A8-485A-B829-E49118656D2A@gmail.com>
References: <d3e79085-1552-b5fe-9289-99c60976a6a9@researchware.com>
 <94E40C36-74A8-485A-B829-E49118656D2A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9f310ee2-3a16-de25-c4e5-7c108440a38d@researchware.com>

I just tested on macOS Mojave (10.14) on an Intel MacBook Pro and the 
PolyGrid and my sample stack work as expected. Tried 10, 100, and 500 
columns/rows.

Now I have to find the MacBook Air with Monterey and see...


8/15/2022 4:01 PM, Mark Smith via use-livecode wrote:
> Hi Paul,
>
> I downloaded your sample stack, put 100 into the Columns field, heard 3 audible beeps but no data (or PolyGrid) appeared. There is data in the pgcolumnnames and pgdata custom properties (so those values were defined). Its just the grid that did not appear. Thinking it might be my laptop (apple silicon M1) I tried it on an Intel MacBook Pro and got the same result.
>
> I am a big fan of being able to lock top and left-most column/rows of any grid and would happily endorse your request.
>
> Cheers,
> Mark
>



From paul at researchware.com  Mon Aug 15 16:49:47 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2022 16:49:47 -0400
Subject: Polygrid sorting
In-Reply-To: <94E40C36-74A8-485A-B829-E49118656D2A@gmail.com>
References: <d3e79085-1552-b5fe-9289-99c60976a6a9@researchware.com>
 <94E40C36-74A8-485A-B829-E49118656D2A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <dec8fac9-c7fb-deb7-df34-08b31a1229ad@researchware.com>

FYI,

I also just tested on a MacBook Air, M1, running Monterey with LC9.6.8 
and the version 1.0.0 of the Summer Bundle widget packs and the PolyGrid 
and my sample stack displayed for me at 10, 100, and 500 columns and rows.


On 8/15/2022 4:01 PM, Mark Smith via use-livecode wrote:
> Hi Paul,
>
> I downloaded your sample stack, put 100 into the Columns field, heard 3 audible beeps but no data (or PolyGrid) appeared. There is data in the pgcolumnnames and pgdata custom properties (so those values were defined). Its just the grid that did not appear. Thinking it might be my laptop (apple silicon M1) I tried it on an Intel MacBook Pro and got the same result.
>
> I am a big fan of being able to lock top and left-most column/rows of any grid and would happily endorse your request.
>
> Cheers,
> Mark
>



From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Mon Aug 15 16:55:33 2022
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2022 13:55:33 -0700
Subject: Polygrid sorting
In-Reply-To: <2d8ff1a2-2f92-6874-cac0-2e568f39f7ce@researchware.com>
References: <d3e79085-1552-b5fe-9289-99c60976a6a9@researchware.com>
 <2d8ff1a2-2f92-6874-cac0-2e568f39f7ce@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <a5a13c00-45d8-e982-a0c1-631ee43611be@sonic.net>

On 8/15/22 13:12, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
> So I see that the Summer Bundle of widgets in the store has a note that 
> says "Latest update 1.0.19: 11 August 2022"
> 
> However, the Download button says "Version 1.0.0". Does anyone know how 
> to update the widget set to 1.0.19 or how to update a single widget?

Yeah. The versioning is wonky and annoying. Apparently the 1.0.0 version 
is always the most recent.

 From a July 27 comment from Steven Crighton on 
https://livecode.com/polylist-widget-in-the-spotlight/#comment-129572

For the moment you have to update the new widgets manually. To do this, 
first log in to your LiveCode account. In the left hand navigation make 
your way to Products > thirdparty. Scroll down this list to find 
LiveCode Enhancements and download that bundle. Inside the bundle folder 
there is a widgetpackinstaller.livecode file  If you want to update 
everything in your bundle in one go I recommend using that. Simply open 
that stack and click the install button. Note  DataView will now be 
PolyList after you have updated.

I updated once and looks like I'll have to again.

-- 
-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com


From paul at researchware.com  Mon Aug 15 17:02:30 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2022 17:02:30 -0400
Subject: Polygrid sorting
In-Reply-To: <a5a13c00-45d8-e982-a0c1-631ee43611be@sonic.net>
References: <d3e79085-1552-b5fe-9289-99c60976a6a9@researchware.com>
 <2d8ff1a2-2f92-6874-cac0-2e568f39f7ce@researchware.com>
 <a5a13c00-45d8-e982-a0c1-631ee43611be@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <b27c2249-5be6-3113-db0c-37b580a52793@researchware.com>

On 8/15/2022 4:55 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:
> On 8/15/22 13:12, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
>> So I see that the Summer Bundle of widgets in the store has a note 
>> that says "Latest update 1.0.19: 11 August 2022"
>>
>> However, the Download button says "Version 1.0.0". Does anyone know 
>> how to update the widget set to 1.0.19 or how to update a single widget?
>
> Yeah. The versioning is wonky and annoying. Apparently the 1.0.0 
> version is always the most recent.
>
> From a July 27 comment from Steven Crighton on 
> https://livecode.com/polylist-widget-in-the-spotlight/#comment-129572
>
> For the moment you have to update the new widgets manually. To do 
> this, first log in to your LiveCode account. In the left hand 
> navigation make your way to Products > thirdparty. Scroll down this 
> list to find LiveCode Enhancements and download that bundle. Inside 
> the bundle folder there is a widgetpackinstaller.livecode file  If 
> you want to update everything in your bundle in one go I recommend 
> using that. Simply open that stack and click the install button. Note 
>  DataView will now be PolyList after you have updated.
>
> I updated once and looks like I'll have to again.
>

Thank you Mark! (and Steven)


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Aug 15 18:03:57 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2022 22:03:57 +0000
Subject: Shouldn't space or enter in a menu select the hilited item?
In-Reply-To: <12842B27-1D43-4A12-8C8D-47426821E70A@starfirelighting.com>
References: <70A75B95-A73F-448C-86FA-E1BB2FB9731C@iotecdigital.com>
 <12842B27-1D43-4A12-8C8D-47426821E70A@starfirelighting.com>
Message-ID: <005E7EDA-5EEA-474F-A7F7-E190C5767F82@iotecdigital.com>

Hi Craig. It's not a popup menu it's a combo box. I do use popup menus and those work as advertized. 

When I click to expand a combo box menu, it I get the list of items, and if I click an item, it correctly selects that item. If however I use the arrow keys to hilite an item then use the space bar or return to select the hilited item, the hilited item is NOT selected, it retains it's previous label. 

Bob S


> On Aug 15, 2022, at 11:03 , Craig Newman via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi, I was not complete. Once the arrow keys have found the menuItem of interest, clicking Enter or Return executes the menuPick handler.
> 
> Craig
> 
>> On Aug 12, 2022, at 7:37 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all. Very odd, I thought this worked. 
>> 
>> I am programmatically popping up a menu, then I want to be able to jse the arrow keys to traverse the selections available. If I click any of the choices, the menuPick handler gets the choice as the first parameter. If however I use the spacebar or the enterKey to select a choice, the parameter is empty in menuPick! That isn't right, is it??
>> 
>> MacOS 10.15.7 LC 9.6.9 rc1
>> 
>> Bob S
>> 
>> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Aug 15 18:16:45 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2022 22:16:45 +0000
Subject: Shouldn't space or enter in a menu select the hilited item?
In-Reply-To: <005E7EDA-5EEA-474F-A7F7-E190C5767F82@iotecdigital.com>
References: <70A75B95-A73F-448C-86FA-E1BB2FB9731C@iotecdigital.com>
 <12842B27-1D43-4A12-8C8D-47426821E70A@starfirelighting.com>
 <005E7EDA-5EEA-474F-A7F7-E190C5767F82@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <1CB05C5D-C279-4972-939B-D273D4058A76@iotecdigital.com>

I should also mention that menuPick IS getting triggered, but if I use spacebar or return to select, the parameter for which item got picked is empty. If I click then the parameter is NOT empty it's the item I clicked. 

Bob S


> On Aug 15, 2022, at 15:03 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Craig. It's not a popup menu it's a combo box. I do use popup menus and those work as advertized. 
> 
> When I click to expand a combo box menu, it I get the list of items, and if I click an item, it correctly selects that item. If however I use the arrow keys to hilite an item then use the space bar or return to select the hilited item, the hilited item is NOT selected, it retains it's previous label. 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Aug 15, 2022, at 11:03 , Craig Newman via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, I was not complete. Once the arrow keys have found the menuItem of interest, clicking Enter or Return executes the menuPick handler.
>> 
>> Craig
>> 
>>> On Aug 12, 2022, at 7:37 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all. Very odd, I thought this worked. 
>>> 
>>> I am programmatically popping up a menu, then I want to be able to jse the arrow keys to traverse the selections available. If I click any of the choices, the menuPick handler gets the choice as the first parameter. If however I use the spacebar or the enterKey to select a choice, the parameter is empty in menuPick! That isn't right, is it??
>>> 
>>> MacOS 10.15.7 LC 9.6.9 rc1
>>> 
>>> Bob S
>>> 
>>> 
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From alex at tweedly.net  Mon Aug 15 19:22:15 2022
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2022 00:22:15 +0100
Subject: Polygrid sorting (problems)
In-Reply-To: <4bf5092d-5a4c-d27d-d6fb-a9245c6ba728@researchware.com>
References: <d3e79085-1552-b5fe-9289-99c60976a6a9@researchware.com>
 <4bf5092d-5a4c-d27d-d6fb-a9245c6ba728@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <604bd606-eba0-79b0-4090-d777bc4e8aa5@tweedly.net>


On 15/08/2022 20:34, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
> So there is an example of sorting in the PolyGrid documentation under 
> the entry for the MESSAGE "headerClick" and under the entry to the 
> PROPERTY "text" (and in 'the text of me')
>
> The example code only sort the visible rows as "the text of widget X" 
> returns the data of PolyGrid X as tab delimited, WITHOUT the column 
> headers, but ONLY the visible rows.
>
I'm using (I think) the latest version 
(com.livecode.widget.polygrid.1.1.1) and I don't see that problem at all.

Both "the text and "the pgtext" return the entire grid (without headers).

I haven't tried csvdata or tsvdata (they're not listed in the 
dictionary, so I'd tend to avoid them if possible.

And come to think of it - why did they need to invent a new property 
name "pgText" ?  It seems to be a synonym for "the text", so would it 
not have been better to just use that ?  Full consistency with many 
other controls, no added "mental clutter", and "the text" colours nicely 
in the script editor, so more obvious if you mistype it.

Alex.




From alex at tweedly.net  Mon Aug 15 19:25:03 2022
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2022 00:25:03 +0100
Subject: Sorting [was: Polygrid sorting]
Message-ID: <99ac10ee-60a1-ab16-f47e-72a709af317e@tweedly.net>

So it occurred to me, while playing with sorting by columns, that it 
might be nice to have an additional "sortType" available.

I'd like to be able to say

  - if all the 'things' being sorted on are numbers, then sort numeric, 
otherwise sort alphabetical.

Would that be a reasonable enhancement request ?

Would "natural" be a reasonable suggested name ?

Alex.



From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Aug 15 19:30:09 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2022 23:30:09 +0000
Subject: Polygrid sorting (problems)
In-Reply-To: <604bd606-eba0-79b0-4090-d777bc4e8aa5@tweedly.net>
References: <d3e79085-1552-b5fe-9289-99c60976a6a9@researchware.com>
 <4bf5092d-5a4c-d27d-d6fb-a9245c6ba728@researchware.com>
 <604bd606-eba0-79b0-4090-d777bc4e8aa5@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <5130FDB3-F9D2-4CCB-B890-ECCD45745967@iotecdigital.com>

I think they are trying to be consistent with datagrid terminology, perhaps thinking that a tabular data object has become a new class of objects. 

Bob S


> On Aug 15, 2022, at 16:22 , Alex Tweedly via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> On 15/08/2022 20:34, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
>> So there is an example of sorting in the PolyGrid documentation under the entry for the MESSAGE "headerClick" and under the entry to the PROPERTY "text" (and in 'the text of me')
>> 
>> The example code only sort the visible rows as "the text of widget X" returns the data of PolyGrid X as tab delimited, WITHOUT the column headers, but ONLY the visible rows.
>> 
> I'm using (I think) the latest version (com.livecode.widget.polygrid.1.1.1) and I don't see that problem at all.
> 
> Both "the text and "the pgtext" return the entire grid (without headers).
> 
> I haven't tried csvdata or tsvdata (they're not listed in the dictionary, so I'd tend to avoid them if possible.
> 
> And come to think of it - why did they need to invent a new property name "pgText" ?  It seems to be a synonym for "the text", so would it not have been better to just use that ?  Full consistency with many other controls, no added "mental clutter", and "the text" colours nicely in the script editor, so more obvious if you mistype it.
> 
> Alex.
> 
> 
> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Aug 15 19:35:28 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2022 23:35:28 +0000
Subject: Sorting [was: Polygrid sorting]
In-Reply-To: <99ac10ee-60a1-ab16-f47e-72a709af317e@tweedly.net>
References: <99ac10ee-60a1-ab16-f47e-72a709af317e@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <C416B1D7-E108-46B2-9F8D-1880D6629A39@iotecdigital.com>

Datagrids have this feature, so yes, I would expect there to be some way to specify what kind of sort you want to do. But it would have to be on a per column basis. 

But if you are sorting the text yourself, you can use the syntax: sort lines of tText by item n of each.

I don't think any assumptions should be made by the engine as to what kind of data each column contains. I worked with an accounting system many years ago which had numeric invoice numbers, or so it seemed. Once you created a credit memo, it prepended R to the invoice number. 

Bob S


> On Aug 15, 2022, at 16:25 , Alex Tweedly via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> So it occurred to me, while playing with sorting by columns, that it might be nice to have an additional "sortType" available.
> 
> I'd like to be able to say
> 
>  - if all the 'things' being sorted on are numbers, then sort numeric, otherwise sort alphabetical.
> 
> Would that be a reasonable enhancement request ?
> 
> Would "natural" be a reasonable suggested name ?
> 
> Alex.
> 
> 
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From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Mon Aug 15 19:43:12 2022
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2022 16:43:12 -0700
Subject: Polygrid sorting (problems)
In-Reply-To: <604bd606-eba0-79b0-4090-d777bc4e8aa5@tweedly.net>
References: <d3e79085-1552-b5fe-9289-99c60976a6a9@researchware.com>
 <4bf5092d-5a4c-d27d-d6fb-a9245c6ba728@researchware.com>
 <604bd606-eba0-79b0-4090-d777bc4e8aa5@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <a87624e5-dc12-b81e-b99e-e7a92f242243@sonic.net>

On 8/15/22 16:22, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:

> I haven't tried csvdata or tsvdata (they're not listed in the 
> dictionary, so I'd tend to avoid them if possible.

I do see tsvData in the dictionary, but I'm getting weird errors thrown 
from the widget when I try to use it. May still be experimental. There 
aren't any examples and the source isn't available.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com


From paul at researchware.com  Mon Aug 15 19:46:38 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2022 19:46:38 -0400
Subject: Sorting [was: Polygrid sorting]
In-Reply-To: <99ac10ee-60a1-ab16-f47e-72a709af317e@tweedly.net>
References: <99ac10ee-60a1-ab16-f47e-72a709af317e@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <97843037-9ab0-804c-640c-13dc5599bcbf@researchware.com>

Perhaps some expansion of the column "pgContentTypeofColumn" property? 
The current possible values are: 
text|svg-lcname|imagedata|imagefile|color|boolean|autoincrement
Allowing the addition of 'numeric' and 'datetime' would at least allow a 
mapping to sorts although sort support 'international' (perhaps should 
be the default for a polygrid column of type "text" and "binary". I am 
also not sure how svg-iconname, imagedata, imagefile, and color should 
sort. Perhaps svg-iconname should sort as "text". Bolean can sort as 
"text" since ascending puts "false" first and descending puts "true" first.


On 8/15/2022 7:25 PM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:
> So it occurred to me, while playing with sorting by columns, that it 
> might be nice to have an additional "sortType" available.
>
> I'd like to be able to say
>
>  - if all the 'things' being sorted on are numbers, then sort numeric, 
> otherwise sort alphabetical.
>
> Would that be a reasonable enhancement request ?
>
> Would "natural" be a reasonable suggested name ?
>
> Alex.
>
>
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From paul at researchware.com  Mon Aug 15 19:51:33 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2022 19:51:33 -0400
Subject: Polygrid sorting (problems)
In-Reply-To: <604bd606-eba0-79b0-4090-d777bc4e8aa5@tweedly.net>
References: <d3e79085-1552-b5fe-9289-99c60976a6a9@researchware.com>
 <4bf5092d-5a4c-d27d-d6fb-a9245c6ba728@researchware.com>
 <604bd606-eba0-79b0-4090-d777bc4e8aa5@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <137ebad2-86de-5ead-8921-dac56cc3c9ec@researchware.com>

On 8/15/2022 7:22 PM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:
>
> On 15/08/2022 20:34, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
>> So there is an example of sorting in the PolyGrid documentation under 
>> the entry for the MESSAGE "headerClick" and under the entry to the 
>> PROPERTY "text" (and in 'the text of me')
>>
>> The example code only sort the visible rows as "the text of widget X" 
>> returns the data of PolyGrid X as tab delimited, WITHOUT the column 
>> headers, but ONLY the visible rows.
>>
> I'm using (I think) the latest version 
> (com.livecode.widget.polygrid.1.1.1) and I don't see that problem at all.
>

Okay, a widget ignorant question: How do you tell what version of a 
widget you have installed? (i.e where/how do you see 
com.livecode.widget.polygrid.1.1.1)


From paul at researchware.com  Mon Aug 15 19:59:01 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2022 19:59:01 -0400
Subject: Polygrid sorting (problems)
In-Reply-To: <137ebad2-86de-5ead-8921-dac56cc3c9ec@researchware.com>
References: <d3e79085-1552-b5fe-9289-99c60976a6a9@researchware.com>
 <4bf5092d-5a4c-d27d-d6fb-a9245c6ba728@researchware.com>
 <604bd606-eba0-79b0-4090-d777bc4e8aa5@tweedly.net>
 <137ebad2-86de-5ead-8921-dac56cc3c9ec@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <0fe233f8-3a70-3be7-9e10-691b65e8e305@researchware.com>

On 8/15/2022 7:51 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
> On 8/15/2022 7:22 PM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:
>>
>> On 15/08/2022 20:34, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
>>> So there is an example of sorting in the PolyGrid documentation 
>>> under the entry for the MESSAGE "headerClick" and under the entry to 
>>> the PROPERTY "text" (and in 'the text of me')
>>>
>>> The example code only sort the visible rows as "the text of widget 
>>> X" returns the data of PolyGrid X as tab delimited, WITHOUT the 
>>> column headers, but ONLY the visible rows.
>>>
>> I'm using (I think) the latest version 
>> (com.livecode.widget.polygrid.1.1.1) and I don't see that problem at 
>> all.
>>
>
> Okay, a widget ignorant question: How do you tell what version of a 
> widget you have installed? (i.e where/how do you see 
> com.livecode.widget.polygrid.1.1.1)

Never mind. It is in the file name, com.livecode.widget.polygrid.1.1.1.lce

Also, FYI, regarding you note that:

Both "the text and "the pgtext" return the entire grid (without headers).

I haven't tried csvdata or tsvdata (they're not listed in the 
dictionary, so I'd tend to avoid them if possible.

Under the dictionary entry for "polygrid", I see the csvData and tsvData 
properties listed. The "text" property and the pgData property, but NO 
entry for pgText. It would appear, if the .lce file name is correct, 
that I am at the same version, 1.1.1. I am on Windows 10, under LC 9.6.8


From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Mon Aug 15 20:12:37 2022
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2022 17:12:37 -0700
Subject: Polygrid sorting (problems)
In-Reply-To: <a87624e5-dc12-b81e-b99e-e7a92f242243@sonic.net>
References: <d3e79085-1552-b5fe-9289-99c60976a6a9@researchware.com>
 <4bf5092d-5a4c-d27d-d6fb-a9245c6ba728@researchware.com>
 <604bd606-eba0-79b0-4090-d777bc4e8aa5@tweedly.net>
 <a87624e5-dc12-b81e-b99e-e7a92f242243@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <f6060e9b-772a-ae66-3f6c-c0af786ac521@sonic.net>

On 8/15/22 16:43, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:
> On 8/15/22 16:22, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:
> 
>> I haven't tried csvdata or tsvdata (they're not listed in the 
>> dictionary, so I'd tend to avoid them if possible.
> 
> I do see tsvData in the dictionary, but I'm getting weird errors thrown 
> from the widget when I try to use it. May still be experimental. There 
> aren't any examples and the source isn't available.

Correcting myself, I do see examples in the enhancements folder, they 
just aren't installed. There's also a Plugins/Templates/Default folder 
for various things, but I'm not sure what I'm supposed to do with those, 
if anything. If I use just the examples in the folder then the I can 
manipulate the tsvData and it works. But if I try to generate my own I 
end up throwing weird errors.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com


From marksmithhfx at gmail.com  Tue Aug 16 04:33:49 2022
From: marksmithhfx at gmail.com (Mark Smith)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2022 09:33:49 +0100
Subject: Polygrid sorting
In-Reply-To: <dec8fac9-c7fb-deb7-df34-08b31a1229ad@researchware.com>
References: <d3e79085-1552-b5fe-9289-99c60976a6a9@researchware.com>
 <94E40C36-74A8-485A-B829-E49118656D2A@gmail.com>
 <dec8fac9-c7fb-deb7-df34-08b31a1229ad@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <BC325BEA-FA5D-4E11-9750-4913E5ECCD4A@gmail.com>

Hi Paul,

My bad. I don’t have the polygrid widget installed. I bought the summer bundle but haven’t had time to install or play with it. I will try this afternoon and send feedback later. 

Mark


> On 15 Aug 2022, at 9:49 pm, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> FYI,
> 
> I also just tested on a MacBook Air, M1, running Monterey with LC9.6.8 and the version 1.0.0 of the Summer Bundle widget packs and the PolyGrid and my sample stack displayed for me at 10, 100, and 500 columns and rows.
> 
> 
> On 8/15/2022 4:01 PM, Mark Smith via use-livecode wrote:
>> Hi Paul,
>> 
>> I downloaded your sample stack, put 100 into the Columns field, heard 3 audible beeps but no data (or PolyGrid) appeared. There is data in the pgcolumnnames and pgdata custom properties (so those values were defined). It’s just the grid that did not appear. Thinking it might be my laptop (apple silicon M1) I tried it on an Intel MacBook Pro and got the same result.
>> 
>> I am a big fan of being able to lock top and left-most column/rows of any grid and would happily endorse your request.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Mark
>> 
> 
> 
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From klaus at major-k.de  Tue Aug 16 07:33:20 2022
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2022 13:33:20 +0200
Subject: Separate app for iPad and iPhone?
Message-ID: <77286ACB-5125-4D17-9A2D-DCA55514C443@major-k.de>

Hi all,

after wondering why on earth my former Android stack did not scale 
to fit an iPad screen, I finally found that there is a separate menu item
for "iPad" in the "Standalone Application Setting". 8-)
In (a LOT) earlier versions there was one entry for iPhone AND iPad.

Does that mean that we need to build two separate app for iPad and iPhone
and publish both to the app store nowadays?

Thanks for any hint!


Best

Klaus
--
Klaus Major
https://www.major-k.de
https://www.major-k.de/bass
klaus at major-k.de



From merakosp at gmail.com  Tue Aug 16 08:11:07 2022
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis m)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2022 15:11:07 +0300
Subject: Separate app for iPad and iPhone?
In-Reply-To: <77286ACB-5125-4D17-9A2D-DCA55514C443@major-k.de>
References: <77286ACB-5125-4D17-9A2D-DCA55514C443@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq9jf3QOEk2_3pha9OGHLnw9H9RfwYCOd1jZZDxtKM6F7A@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Klaus,

There is also an option for both ("iPod, iPhone and iPad")

Cheers,
Panos
--

On Tue, 16 Aug 2022 at 14:34, Klaus major-k via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> after wondering why on earth my former Android stack did not scale
> to fit an iPad screen, I finally found that there is a separate menu item
> for "iPad" in the "Standalone Application Setting". 8-)
> In (a LOT) earlier versions there was one entry for iPhone AND iPad.
>
> Does that mean that we need to build two separate app for iPad and iPhone
> and publish both to the app store nowadays?
>
> Thanks for any hint!
>
>
> Best
>
> Klaus
> --
> Klaus Major
> https://www.major-k.de
> https://www.major-k.de/bass
> klaus at major-k.de
>
>
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From klaus at major-k.de  Tue Aug 16 08:17:57 2022
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2022 14:17:57 +0200
Subject: Separate app for iPad and iPhone?
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq9jf3QOEk2_3pha9OGHLnw9H9RfwYCOd1jZZDxtKM6F7A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <77286ACB-5125-4D17-9A2D-DCA55514C443@major-k.de>
 <CA+JfEq9jf3QOEk2_3pha9OGHLnw9H9RfwYCOd1jZZDxtKM6F7A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F014B492-E63E-40FD-9F16-BA03A7FF8EB8@major-k.de>

Hi Panos,

> Am 16.08.2022 um 14:11 schrieb panagiotis m via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Hello Klaus,
> 
> There is also an option for both ("iPod, iPhone and iPad")

oh, yeah, sorry, it is very hot over here in germany... 8-)

> Cheers,
> Panos
> --
> 
> On Tue, 16 Aug 2022 at 14:34, Klaus major-k via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> after wondering why on earth my former Android stack did not scale
>> to fit an iPad screen, I finally found that there is a separate menu item
>> for "iPad" in the "Standalone Application Setting". 8-)
>> In (a LOT) earlier versions there was one entry for iPhone AND iPad.
>> 
>> Does that mean that we need to build two separate app for iPad and iPhone
>> and publish both to the app store nowadays?

Best

Klaus
> 

--
Klaus Major
https://www.major-k.de
https://www.major-k.de/bass
klaus at major-k.de



From craig at starfirelighting.com  Tue Aug 16 08:55:13 2022
From: craig at starfirelighting.com (Craig Newman)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2022 08:55:13 -0400
Subject: Shouldn't space or enter in a menu select the hilited item?
In-Reply-To: <1CB05C5D-C279-4972-939B-D273D4058A76@iotecdigital.com>
References: <70A75B95-A73F-448C-86FA-E1BB2FB9731C@iotecdigital.com>
 <12842B27-1D43-4A12-8C8D-47426821E70A@starfirelighting.com>
 <005E7EDA-5EEA-474F-A7F7-E190C5767F82@iotecdigital.com>
 <1CB05C5D-C279-4972-939B-D273D4058A76@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <6E29CF66-888B-45D5-82CA-25F7B5F1B71D@starfirelighting.com>

Yes, the combo box does not return the “selected” menuItem. Likely something to do with its compound nature.

> On Aug 15, 2022, at 6:16 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I should also mention that menuPick IS getting triggered, but if I use spacebar or return to select, the parameter for which item got picked is empty. If I click then the parameter is NOT empty it's the item I clicked. 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Aug 15, 2022, at 15:03 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Craig. It's not a popup menu it's a combo box. I do use popup menus and those work as advertized. 
>> 
>> When I click to expand a combo box menu, it I get the list of items, and if I click an item, it correctly selects that item. If however I use the arrow keys to hilite an item then use the space bar or return to select the hilited item, the hilited item is NOT selected, it retains it's previous label. 
>> 
>> Bob S
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 15, 2022, at 11:03 , Craig Newman via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi, I was not complete. Once the arrow keys have found the menuItem of interest, clicking Enter or Return executes the menuPick handler.
>>> 
>>> Craig
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 12, 2022, at 7:37 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi all. Very odd, I thought this worked. 
>>>> 
>>>> I am programmatically popping up a menu, then I want to be able to jse the arrow keys to traverse the selections available. If I click any of the choices, the menuPick handler gets the choice as the first parameter. If however I use the spacebar or the enterKey to select a choice, the parameter is empty in menuPick! That isn't right, is it??
>>>> 
>>>> MacOS 10.15.7 LC 9.6.9 rc1
>>>> 
>>>> Bob S
>>>> 
>>>> 
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From craig at starfirelighting.com  Tue Aug 16 08:55:48 2022
From: craig at starfirelighting.com (Craig Newman)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2022 08:55:48 -0400
Subject: Shouldn't space or enter in a menu select the hilited item?
In-Reply-To: <1CB05C5D-C279-4972-939B-D273D4058A76@iotecdigital.com>
References: <70A75B95-A73F-448C-86FA-E1BB2FB9731C@iotecdigital.com>
 <12842B27-1D43-4A12-8C8D-47426821E70A@starfirelighting.com>
 <005E7EDA-5EEA-474F-A7F7-E190C5767F82@iotecdigital.com>
 <1CB05C5D-C279-4972-939B-D273D4058A76@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <8B587310-68C0-4A59-84C2-946C856636E4@starfirelighting.com>

Bob.

You can always roll your own,

Craig

> On Aug 15, 2022, at 6:16 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I should also mention that menuPick IS getting triggered, but if I use spacebar or return to select, the parameter for which item got picked is empty. If I click then the parameter is NOT empty it's the item I clicked. 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Aug 15, 2022, at 15:03 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Craig. It's not a popup menu it's a combo box. I do use popup menus and those work as advertized. 
>> 
>> When I click to expand a combo box menu, it I get the list of items, and if I click an item, it correctly selects that item. If however I use the arrow keys to hilite an item then use the space bar or return to select the hilited item, the hilited item is NOT selected, it retains it's previous label. 
>> 
>> Bob S
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 15, 2022, at 11:03 , Craig Newman via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi, I was not complete. Once the arrow keys have found the menuItem of interest, clicking Enter or Return executes the menuPick handler.
>>> 
>>> Craig
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 12, 2022, at 7:37 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi all. Very odd, I thought this worked. 
>>>> 
>>>> I am programmatically popping up a menu, then I want to be able to jse the arrow keys to traverse the selections available. If I click any of the choices, the menuPick handler gets the choice as the first parameter. If however I use the spacebar or the enterKey to select a choice, the parameter is empty in menuPick! That isn't right, is it??
>>>> 
>>>> MacOS 10.15.7 LC 9.6.9 rc1
>>>> 
>>>> Bob S
>>>> 
>>>> 
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From marksmithhfx at gmail.com  Tue Aug 16 09:18:30 2022
From: marksmithhfx at gmail.com (Mark Smith)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2022 14:18:30 +0100
Subject: Polygrid sorting
In-Reply-To: <304471d6-fcd0-2157-fd49-845f83d8315c@researchware.com>
References: <d3e79085-1552-b5fe-9289-99c60976a6a9@researchware.com>
 <94E40C36-74A8-485A-B829-E49118656D2A@gmail.com>
 <304471d6-fcd0-2157-fd49-845f83d8315c@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <32D3639F-A2C6-42F2-A9FE-00E6D60E628A@gmail.com>

I downloaded and installed the widget, it works (very well) now :) 

> On 15 Aug 2022, at 9:10 pm, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Okay, I built the stack and tested it under Windows 10. The 3 beeps are intentional. It is to let me know when it is done as some test with 500+ columns/rows takes a while. It does display under LC9.6.8 (64 bit) on Windows 10.
> 
> Now I have to go try it on macOS?
> 
> 
> 
> On 8/15/2022 4:01 PM, Mark Smith via use-livecode wrote:
>> Hi Paul,
>> 
>> I downloaded your sample stack, put 100 into the Columns field, heard 3 audible beeps but no data (or PolyGrid) appeared. There is data in the pgcolumnnames and pgdata custom properties (so those values were defined). It’s just the grid that did not appear. Thinking it might be my laptop (apple silicon M1) I tried it on an Intel MacBook Pro and got the same result.
>> 
>> I am a big fan of being able to lock top and left-most column/rows of any grid and would happily endorse your request.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Mark
>> 
>>> On 15 Aug 2022, at 7:29 pm, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> So, I bought the Summer Bundle. Yes, it is a good deal.
>>> 
>>> In my case it was primarily for the Polygrid widget. Our application uses a Datagrid to display customer research data. The columns headers are text and the left most column ROWs are test and all other cells are numbers. Some customers can have quite large data sets and I have been running into the number of columns (ad a default width of 100px per column) exceeding a GROUPs 32,767px width maximum (about 327-328 columns). At this point the Datagrid just fails - no data is displayed.
>>> 
>>> I can now attest that a Polygrid (under LC 9.6.8) does not have this limit. I have a "test" stack (for Datagrid testing) I converted to the Polygrid and can easily generate 1000 columns x 1000 rows of data and it works.
>>> 
>>> So I guess the answer to bug https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23875 is "Use the PolyGrid"
>>> 
>>> On that note, the Datagrid has 2 features I use in this specific case, user column resizing (built into the Polygrid - Yea!) and column sorting (NOT built into the Polygrid - Boo!). So, does anyone have some column sort code for the Polygrid they have written that they might be willing to share?
>>> 
>>> Also, I have filled a Polygrid enhancement request to allow the left column (or the left N columns) to be locked/frozen, so they remain visible when the Polygrid is scrolled horizontally. See https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23880. If you might benefit from this enhancement, please follow the bug or add a comment to that effect.
>>> 
>>> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Aug 16 11:08:15 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2022 15:08:15 +0000
Subject: Shouldn't space or enter in a menu select the hilited item?
In-Reply-To: <8B587310-68C0-4A59-84C2-946C856636E4@starfirelighting.com>
References: <70A75B95-A73F-448C-86FA-E1BB2FB9731C@iotecdigital.com>
 <12842B27-1D43-4A12-8C8D-47426821E70A@starfirelighting.com>
 <005E7EDA-5EEA-474F-A7F7-E190C5767F82@iotecdigital.com>
 <1CB05C5D-C279-4972-939B-D273D4058A76@iotecdigital.com>
 <8B587310-68C0-4A59-84C2-946C856636E4@starfirelighting.com>
Message-ID: <FCBFA170-FB13-4D02-96CB-E09089EBE847@iotecdigital.com>

Thanks Craig for confirming, I will put in an enhancement request FWIW. 

Bob S


> On Aug 16, 2022, at 05:55 , Craig Newman via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Bob.
> 
> You can always roll your own,
> 
> Craig



From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Aug 16 11:19:55 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2022 15:19:55 +0000
Subject: Shouldn't space or enter in a menu select the hilited item?
In-Reply-To: <FCBFA170-FB13-4D02-96CB-E09089EBE847@iotecdigital.com>
References: <70A75B95-A73F-448C-86FA-E1BB2FB9731C@iotecdigital.com>
 <12842B27-1D43-4A12-8C8D-47426821E70A@starfirelighting.com>
 <005E7EDA-5EEA-474F-A7F7-E190C5767F82@iotecdigital.com>
 <1CB05C5D-C279-4972-939B-D273D4058A76@iotecdigital.com>
 <8B587310-68C0-4A59-84C2-946C856636E4@starfirelighting.com>
 <FCBFA170-FB13-4D02-96CB-E09089EBE847@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <96DA5143-E316-4D46-B0E1-B2F47CA12432@iotecdigital.com>

Bug 23884<https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23884>

Bob S


On Aug 16, 2022, at 08:08 , Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com<mailto:bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com>> wrote:

Thanks Craig for confirming, I will put in an enhancement request FWIW.

Bob S


On Aug 16, 2022, at 05:55 , Craig Newman via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com<mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:

Bob.

You can always roll your own,

Craig



From paul at researchware.com  Wed Aug 17 13:38:50 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2022 13:38:50 -0400
Subject: the effective width of a stack?
Message-ID: <5fe0f420-2869-e8a5-027e-e926becf42d1@researchware.com>

I can across some old code where I an referring to

if (the effective width of stack X > someValue) then

This code produces no errors and works. However, I was just trying to 
look up 'effective width' to see exactly what it was doing in the 
Livecode 9.6.8 Dictionary and struck out!

Under the 'effective' entry in the 9.6.8 Dictionary, 'width' is not 
listed as an inherited property that 'effective' can be used with. Under 
'width' it is not listed. If I look at the entry to the 'stack' object, 
I find 'width' but that just takes me to the entry for 'width'

Am I imagining something, OR is there such a thing as 'effective width' 
and if so, where the heck is it documented?

PS. I thought the width of a stack (or window) vs the effective width 
was teh difference between the inner dimensions of the stack (the card 
size) and the size  of the stack with borders and titlebar (outer 
dimensions). I forget which is which and, again, can not find it 
documented! Also, I thought that contrary to the Dictionary entry to the 
'effective' keyword, you could SET the 'effective width' of a 
stack/window to change the size of the outer dimensions(?)

I'd appreciate any pointers to where effective width or effective height 
of a stack is documented.




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Aug 17 13:45:24 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2022 17:45:24 +0000
Subject: the effective width of a stack?
In-Reply-To: <5fe0f420-2869-e8a5-027e-e926becf42d1@researchware.com>
References: <5fe0f420-2869-e8a5-027e-e926becf42d1@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <CA2B2267-1C34-45E6-A30B-2164C5325B71@iotecdigital.com>

The effective keyword can be used with the following inherited properties :

	• backgroundColor property
	• backgroundPattern property
	• backgroundPixel property
	• bottomColor property
	• bottomPattern property
	• bottomPixel property
	• focusColor property
	• focusPattern property
	• focusPixel property
	• foregroundColor property
	• foregroundPattern property
	• foregroundPixel property
	• hiliteColor property
	• hilitePattern property
	• hilitePixel property
	• topColor property
	• topPattern property
	• topPixel property
	• shadowColor property
	• shadowPattern property
	• shadowPixel property
	• textFont property
	• textHeight property
	• textSize property
	• textStyle property
	• filename of stack property
	• rectangle property
	• layerMode property

I don't see "width" there. You have to use rect then do the math. 

Bob S

> On Aug 17, 2022, at 10:38 , Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I can across some old code where I an referring to
> 
> if (the effective width of stack X > someValue) then
> 
> This code produces no errors and works. However, I was just trying to look up 'effective width' to see exactly what it was doing in the Livecode 9.6.8 Dictionary and struck out!


From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Wed Aug 17 13:58:58 2022
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2022 10:58:58 -0700
Subject: the effective width of a stack?
In-Reply-To: <5fe0f420-2869-e8a5-027e-e926becf42d1@researchware.com>
References: <5fe0f420-2869-e8a5-027e-e926becf42d1@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <14f892ba-ed9e-1958-9e34-0c1d7e432881@sonic.net>

On 8/17/22 10:38, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:

> I'd appreciate any pointers to where effective width or effective height 
> of a stack is documented.

You can't use "effective" with custom properties either.
https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23557

You *can* set the effective rect of a stack, although you may not get 
the result you expect.
https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16305

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Aug 17 14:09:21 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2022 18:09:21 +0000
Subject: the effective width of a stack?
In-Reply-To: <14f892ba-ed9e-1958-9e34-0c1d7e432881@sonic.net>
References: <5fe0f420-2869-e8a5-027e-e926becf42d1@researchware.com>
 <14f892ba-ed9e-1958-9e34-0c1d7e432881@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <DEB82872-3C8D-477F-BCFB-022BE8B36B3F@iotecdigital.com>

I think this is why some time ago when I was trying to save and restore the position of windows I ran into the creeping window issue where the top of the window kept creepign up each time I opened it. 

Bob S


> On Aug 17, 2022, at 10:58 , Mark Wieder via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> You *can* set the effective rect of a stack, although you may not get the result you expect.
> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16305
> 
> -- 
> Mark Wieder
> ahsoftware at gmail.com



From dougr at telus.net  Wed Aug 17 14:45:36 2022
From: dougr at telus.net (Douglas A. Ruisaard)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2022 11:45:36 -0700
Subject: issue related to Print.PrintSupport.Source.dll
Message-ID: <059601d8b269$8a8aebe0$9fa0c3a0$@telus.net>

There was a flurry of discussions on the LC forum
https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=9
<https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=36870&start=45>
&t=36870&start=45) in April to July regarding errors occurring involving
Print.PrintSupport.Source.dll.

 

I will post on the forum as well but was wondering if anyone (including the
Mothership) has had similar problems and if solution(s) have been found.
The forum discussions seems to have ended with "some" possible solutions
but, in my reading, nothing definitive.  Like the discussions on the forum
*some* of my clients are experiencing this error but MANY are not. weird.

 

Douglas Ruisaard


From paul at researchware.com  Wed Aug 17 15:46:08 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2022 15:46:08 -0400
Subject: the effective width of a stack?
In-Reply-To: <14f892ba-ed9e-1958-9e34-0c1d7e432881@sonic.net>
References: <5fe0f420-2869-e8a5-027e-e926becf42d1@researchware.com>
 <14f892ba-ed9e-1958-9e34-0c1d7e432881@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <ee32b90a-c3c7-a5fe-f778-f521a862ee34@researchware.com>

On 8/17/2022 1:58 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:
> On 8/17/22 10:38, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
>
>> I'd appreciate any pointers to where effective width or effective 
>> height of a stack is documented.
>
> You can't use "effective" with custom properties either.
> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23557
>
> You *can* set the effective rect of a stack, although you may not get 
> the result you expect.
> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16305
>

I now remember bug 16305. Mark entered it based on a list discussion 
where I reported it. Hence my comments on it. I now use Panos's 
workaround (in fact my code base is riddled with "work-arounds"), but 
there seem to be a (limited) consensus that on Windows 10, the effective 
rect should only factor in VISIBLE border elements, not INVISIBLE ones. 
I still wish they would fix it.

That all said, where is effective width/heigh/rect of a stack/window 
documented in the Dictionary? The 'effective rect' and other 'effective' 
dimension properties of a stack/window are important for multiple window 
positioning, resizing, alignment, and more and should be in teh 
Dictionary. ALSO, as the 1 exception to the "you can not SET 'effective' 
things rule, that should definitely be documented.

I'll file a documentation bug report, but I don't want to file one just 
to find out I looked under the 'wrong' place.

Paul Dupuis
Researchware


From paul at researchware.com  Wed Aug 17 15:51:51 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2022 15:51:51 -0400
Subject: AW: Polygrid sorting (problems)
In-Reply-To: <4bf5092d-5a4c-d27d-d6fb-a9245c6ba728@researchware.com>
References: <d3e79085-1552-b5fe-9289-99c60976a6a9@researchware.com>
 <4bf5092d-5a4c-d27d-d6fb-a9245c6ba728@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <7196ee9c-c1a7-2b8e-df50-33fb48aed57a@researchware.com>

BTW the problem of:
the text of widget X
the csvData of widget X
the tsvData of widget X
AND (not in the Livecode 9.6.8 Dictionary for PolyGrid 1.1.1)
the pgText of widget X
ALL not returning the full data for a PolyGrid widget is a confirmed bug:

See https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23886



On 8/15/2022 3:34 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
> So there is an example of sorting in the PolyGrid documentation under 
> the entry for the MESSAGE "headerClick" and under the entry to the 
> PROPERTY "text" (and in 'the text of me')
>
> The example code only sort the visible rows as "the text of widget X" 
> returns the data of PolyGrid X as tab delimited, WITHOUT the column 
> headers, but ONLY the visible rows.
>
> So, what to use for sorting all the data in a PolyGrid by a particular 
> column?
>
> The tsvData of widget X (and csvData, and Text) doesn't seem to work. 
> The all seems to only get the visible data (rows). Only the pgData of 
> widget return the whole dataset of the PolyGrid. Is this the way these 
> properties are supposed to work?
>
> If that is how text, csvData, and tsvData are supposed to work 
> (returning only the visible rows), then the sort example in the 
> PolyGrid documentation require updating otherwise these properties 
> require updating!
>
>
>
> On 8/15/2022 2:29 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
>> So, I bought the Summer Bundle. Yes, it is a good deal.
>>
>> In my case it was primarily for the Polygrid widget. Our application 
>> uses a Datagrid to display customer research data. The columns 
>> headers are text and the left most column ROWs are test and all other 
>> cells are numbers. Some customers can have quite large data sets and 
>> I have been running into the number of columns (ad a default width of 
>> 100px per column) exceeding a GROUPs 32,767px width maximum (about 
>> 327-328 columns). At this point the Datagrid just fails - no data is 
>> displayed.
>>
>> I can now attest that a Polygrid (under LC 9.6.8) does not have this 
>> limit. I have a "test" stack (for Datagrid testing) I converted to 
>> the Polygrid and can easily generate 1000 columns x 1000 rows of data 
>> and it works.
>>
>> So I guess the answer to bug 
>> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23875 is "Use the PolyGrid"
>>
>> On that note, the Datagrid has 2 features I use in this specific 
>> case, user column resizing (built into the Polygrid - Yea!) and 
>> column sorting (NOT built into the Polygrid - Boo!). So, does anyone 
>> have some column sort code for the Polygrid they have written that 
>> they might be willing to share?
>>
>> Also, I have filled a Polygrid enhancement request to allow the left 
>> column (or the left N columns) to be locked/frozen, so they remain 
>> visible when the Polygrid is scrolled horizontally. See 
>> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23880. If you might 
>> benefit from this enhancement, please follow the bug or add a comment 
>> to that effect.
>>
>>
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From paul at researchware.com  Wed Aug 17 17:52:08 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2022 17:52:08 -0400
Subject: the effective width of a stack?
In-Reply-To: <5fe0f420-2869-e8a5-027e-e926becf42d1@researchware.com>
References: <5fe0f420-2869-e8a5-027e-e926becf42d1@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <ff2592e9-d0d7-3bf6-c69c-80918639c521@researchware.com>

On 8/17/2022 1:38 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
> I can across some old code where I an referring to
>
> if (the effective width of stack X > someValue) then
>
> This code produces no errors and works. However, I was just trying to 
> look up 'effective width' to see exactly what it was doing in the 
> Livecode 9.6.8 Dictionary and struck out!
>
> Under the 'effective' entry in the 9.6.8 Dictionary, 'width' is not 
> listed as an inherited property that 'effective' can be used with. 
> Under 'width' it is not listed. If I look at the entry to the 'stack' 
> object, I find 'width' but that just takes me to the entry for 'width'
>
> Am I imagining something, OR is there such a thing as 'effective 
> width' and if so, where the heck is it documented?
>
> PS. I thought the width of a stack (or window) vs the effective width 
> was teh difference between the inner dimensions of the stack (the card 
> size) and the size  of the stack with borders and titlebar (outer 
> dimensions). I forget which is which and, again, can not find it 
> documented! Also, I thought that contrary to the Dictionary entry to 
> the 'effective' keyword, you could SET the 'effective width' of a 
> stack/window to change the size of the outer dimensions(?)
>
> I'd appreciate any pointers to where effective width or effective 
> height of a stack is documented.

So testing shows that (in LC 9.6.8 at any rate) the following STACK 
properties can use the effective keyword:
height
width
rect (or rectangle)
left
right
top
bottom
topLeft
topRight
bottomLeft
bottomRight

and, indeed, the different between the property and the effective 
property is the property (inside dimensions) and effective property 
(outside dimensions)

The "effective" keyword is ONLY documented with the rect/rectangle 
property in the Dictionary and not for any other dimensional properties, 
even though they work as expected (well except for Window 10: 
https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16305)

It also appears (from testing) that you can set the effective rect (as 
documented in the rect Dictionary entry) and set the effective width or 
the effective height (not documented in the Dictionary). I have not yet 
tried setting the "effective" form of the remaining dimensional 
properties (top, left, topLeft, etc.)



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Aug 17 18:02:38 2022
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2022 17:02:38 -0500
Subject: issue related to Print.PrintSupport.Source.dll
In-Reply-To: <059601d8b269$8a8aebe0$9fa0c3a0$@telus.net>
References: <059601d8b269$8a8aebe0$9fa0c3a0$@telus.net>
Message-ID: <e3a9ea0f-ffd6-f4d8-154a-4556a586fda0@hyperactivesw.com>

The suggested fix in the bug report has worked for us:

https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23659

Basically, delete the driver that comes with Windows and get the driver from Epson. Most of the 
problems seem to be with Epson printers but if your customers have a different printer, try 
that OEM driver.

We had one instance where the user didn't have a printer at all, but just deleting the Epson 
driver fixed it.

On 8/17/22 1:45 PM, Douglas A. Ruisaard via use-livecode wrote:
> There was a flurry of discussions on the LC forum
> https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=9
> <https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=36870&start=45>
> &t=36870&start=45) in April to July regarding errors occurring involving
> Print.PrintSupport.Source.dll.
> 
>   
> 
> I will post on the forum as well but was wondering if anyone (including the
> Mothership) has had similar problems and if solution(s) have been found.
> The forum discussions seems to have ended with "some" possible solutions
> but, in my reading, nothing definitive.  Like the discussions on the forum
> *some* of my clients are experiencing this error but MANY are not. weird.
> 
>   
> 
> Douglas Ruisaard
> 
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-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Wed Aug 17 19:27:46 2022
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2022 16:27:46 -0700
Subject: issue related to Print.PrintSupport.Source.dll
In-Reply-To: <e3a9ea0f-ffd6-f4d8-154a-4556a586fda0@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <059601d8b269$8a8aebe0$9fa0c3a0$@telus.net>
 <e3a9ea0f-ffd6-f4d8-154a-4556a586fda0@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <52cef82a-8d8e-223e-c6e0-0d54d0daf146@sonic.net>

On 8/17/22 15:02, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:

> We had one instance where the user didn't have a printer at all, but 
> just deleting the Epson driver fixed it.

\_()_/

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com


From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Wed Aug 17 21:02:37 2022
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2022 21:02:37 -0400
Subject: i wonder what other widgets i'm missing
Message-ID: <CADCoycPHvmNRKD4pz1VbersvxrnN7Fj3Nr5rM=tAOhGsCf5DCg@mail.gmail.com>

I bought the megabundle and installed the widgets.
Then I started checking out the signature widget, and discover that some of
you have been using it for four years. I didn't even know it existed before
today, and I have a Business license (I also had not been aware of the
polylist/polygrids before the megabundle)
So now I'm wondering
a) what other widgets i'm missing
b) since the widget store is kind of sparse, if there are other places to
look for LC toys, especially widgets?

-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."

From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Thu Aug 18 10:42:48 2022
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2022 10:42:48 -0400
Subject: polylist toys
Message-ID: <CADCoycMNLgDFW2fy8cDuXcgRBJ_vo1CvwHB+rPiPLz9dqGL5Vg@mail.gmail.com>

fiddling with polylist examples, and i noticed in the "lazyLoadOnlineImage"
example that I can trigger an error just by opening it and tapping
"populate"
can anyone else confirm?

-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."

From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Aug 18 11:28:20 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2022 15:28:20 +0000
Subject: issue related to Print.PrintSupport.Source.dll
In-Reply-To: <52cef82a-8d8e-223e-c6e0-0d54d0daf146@sonic.net>
References: <059601d8b269$8a8aebe0$9fa0c3a0$@telus.net>
 <e3a9ea0f-ffd6-f4d8-154a-4556a586fda0@hyperactivesw.com>
 <52cef82a-8d8e-223e-c6e0-0d54d0daf146@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <34168E63-E3FF-4D62-ADB4-BB2CC54108EF@iotecdigital.com>

Not unheard of. Some years back we discovered that if the HP Universal Print Driver had been installed, Toshiba drivers would not work at all. We had to uninstall the HP Universal Driver and replace it with the model-specific driver. 

Bob S

> On Aug 17, 2022, at 16:27 , Mark Wieder via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> On 8/17/22 15:02, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
> 
>> We had one instance where the user didn't have a printer at all, but just deleting the Epson driver fixed it.
> 
> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
> 
> -- 
> Mark Wieder
> ahsoftware at gmail.com
> 
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From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Thu Aug 18 11:48:02 2022
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2022 08:48:02 -0700
Subject: polylist toys
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycMNLgDFW2fy8cDuXcgRBJ_vo1CvwHB+rPiPLz9dqGL5Vg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycMNLgDFW2fy8cDuXcgRBJ_vo1CvwHB+rPiPLz9dqGL5Vg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2b80b8a7-6658-2d6b-61fe-2d649167bb81@sonic.net>

On 8/18/22 07:42, Mike Kerner via use-livecode wrote:
> fiddling with polylist examples, and i noticed in the "lazyLoadOnlineImage"
> example that I can trigger an error just by opening it and tapping
> "populate"
> can anyone else confirm?
> 

Yep. The polylist continually throws ridiculous errors at me.
(=E:/Projects/GitHub/LiveCode-LTD/summer-mega-bundle/src/PolyList/PolyList.lcb). 
And that's at line 2791 (unable to get image geometry) but the source is 
locked so there's nothing more to do.

Also, the versioning thing is out of hand. I just downloaded version 
1.0.0 of the bundle (again!) because I got a bugzilla notice that there 
was a fix in the new version. So I now have v1.0.21 of the enhancements 
packaged in a 1.0.0 zip file, and I see that half a dozen extensions 
have been updated since the last time I downloaded 1.0.0. And there was 
no notification that anything had been updated/fixed/whatever. If it 
hadn't been for the comment Panos put into bugzilla how is anyone 
supposed to know that things have been updated?

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com


From steven.crighton at livecode.com  Thu Aug 18 12:34:08 2022
From: steven.crighton at livecode.com (Steven Crighton)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2022 17:34:08 +0100
Subject: polylist toys
Message-ID: <E90BE055-1AA2-4D85-85A5-25A8F7C52FD6@livecode.com>

Hi Mike, 

I just tested the lazy load example and hit populate and clicked around etc and could not trigger an error.

Can you let me know what the error was? 

I would say just to double check that are you are using the most recent version. I understand that we need to make some improvements regarding the notification of updates on these new widgets and we will do that. In the meantime we have implemented a last updated date in the my account area, so it’s well worth checking in on that from time to time to see if there is a new update available. 

Thanks
Steven

From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Thu Aug 18 12:55:55 2022
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2022 09:55:55 -0700
Subject: polylist toys
In-Reply-To: <E90BE055-1AA2-4D85-85A5-25A8F7C52FD6@livecode.com>
References: <E90BE055-1AA2-4D85-85A5-25A8F7C52FD6@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <0c12a2c5-25e3-9e01-141a-d37c79629c67@sonic.net>

On 8/18/22 09:34, Steven Crighton via use-livecode wrote:
> Hi Mike,
> 
> I just tested the lazy load example and hit populate and clicked around etc and could not trigger an error.
> 
> Can you let me know what the error was?
> 

See my previous email.


-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com


From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Thu Aug 18 13:27:22 2022
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2022 13:27:22 -0400
Subject: polylist toys
In-Reply-To: <0c12a2c5-25e3-9e01-141a-d37c79629c67@sonic.net>
References: <E90BE055-1AA2-4D85-85A5-25A8F7C52FD6@livecode.com>
 <0c12a2c5-25e3-9e01-141a-d37c79629c67@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <CADCoycM7+L4qiXVfybGKDnbdEXrLrYKBi4=8ZDPcND6ceRM-kg@mail.gmail.com>

Steven,
I also emailed Panos: I think it would be good to have a few of the
LCG22/23 sessions cover some of the widgets. The documentation is kind-of
thin, and I'm already stacking questions like:
* polygrid/list vs. datagrid
* much of the discussion is regarding web deployment, but at least for me,
mobile is the important platform, so there should be more discussion about
that
* is there widget source somewhere, or are we going to have to rfq LC if we
would like to request some enhancements? example: for the power button,
maybe instead of a border at the edge, i'd like to be able to inset it.

On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 12:57 PM Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> On 8/18/22 09:34, Steven Crighton via use-livecode wrote:
> > Hi Mike,
> >
> > I just tested the lazy load example and hit populate and clicked around
> etc and could not trigger an error.
> >
> > Can you let me know what the error was?
> >
>
> See my previous email.
>
>
> --
>   Mark Wieder
>   ahsoftware at gmail.com
>
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-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."

From brian at milby7.com  Thu Aug 18 13:34:19 2022
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2022 13:34:19 -0400
Subject: polylist toys
In-Reply-To: <2b80b8a7-6658-2d6b-61fe-2d649167bb81@sonic.net>
References: <2b80b8a7-6658-2d6b-61fe-2d649167bb81@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <E79DC583-26BF-49B0-8AC3-D80034A299D3@milby7.com>

I just rename the zip file when I download it :)

But yes, only way to know currently is to log in and check the version/date.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 18, 2022, at 11:49 AM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> On 8/18/22 07:42, Mike Kerner via use-livecode wrote:
>> fiddling with polylist examples, and i noticed in the "lazyLoadOnlineImage"
>> example that I can trigger an error just by opening it and tapping
>> "populate"
>> can anyone else confirm?
> 
> Yep. The polylist continually throws ridiculous errors at me.
> (=E:/Projects/GitHub/LiveCode-LTD/summer-mega-bundle/src/PolyList/PolyList.lcb). And that's at line 2791 (unable to get image geometry) but the source is locked so there's nothing more to do.
> 
> Also, the versioning thing is out of hand. I just downloaded version 1.0.0 of the bundle (again!) because I got a bugzilla notice that there was a fix in the new version. So I now have v1.0.21 of the enhancements packaged in a 1.0.0 zip file, and I see that half a dozen extensions have been updated since the last time I downloaded 1.0.0. And there was no notification that anything had been updated/fixed/whatever. If it hadn't been for the comment Panos put into bugzilla how is anyone supposed to know that things have been updated?
> 
> -- 
> Mark Wieder
> ahsoftware at gmail.com
> 
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From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Thu Aug 18 13:36:06 2022
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2022 13:36:06 -0400
Subject: polylist toys
In-Reply-To: <E79DC583-26BF-49B0-8AC3-D80034A299D3@milby7.com>
References: <2b80b8a7-6658-2d6b-61fe-2d649167bb81@sonic.net>
 <E79DC583-26BF-49B0-8AC3-D80034A299D3@milby7.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycPrDdrpx+eT+7=tNkN14VDP8mf+5XwnL2JGxg-0Ki0huw@mail.gmail.com>

I am not aware of a place to check the version/date. I received a link for
the download, and I don't see the download as a separate item in my account

On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 1:35 PM Brian Milby via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I just rename the zip file when I download it :)
>
> But yes, only way to know currently is to log in and check the
> version/date.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Aug 18, 2022, at 11:49 AM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > On 8/18/22 07:42, Mike Kerner via use-livecode wrote:
> >> fiddling with polylist examples, and i noticed in the
> "lazyLoadOnlineImage"
> >> example that I can trigger an error just by opening it and tapping
> >> "populate"
> >> can anyone else confirm?
> >
> > Yep. The polylist continually throws ridiculous errors at me.
> >
> (=E:/Projects/GitHub/LiveCode-LTD/summer-mega-bundle/src/PolyList/PolyList.lcb).
> And that's at line 2791 (unable to get image geometry) but the source is
> locked so there's nothing more to do.
> >
> > Also, the versioning thing is out of hand. I just downloaded version
> 1.0.0 of the bundle (again!) because I got a bugzilla notice that there was
> a fix in the new version. So I now have v1.0.21 of the enhancements
> packaged in a 1.0.0 zip file, and I see that half a dozen extensions have
> been updated since the last time I downloaded 1.0.0. And there was no
> notification that anything had been updated/fixed/whatever. If it hadn't
> been for the comment Panos put into bugzilla how is anyone supposed to know
> that things have been updated?
> >
> > --
> > Mark Wieder
> > ahsoftware at gmail.com
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
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-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."

From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Thu Aug 18 13:40:18 2022
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2022 13:40:18 -0400
Subject: polylist toys
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycPrDdrpx+eT+7=tNkN14VDP8mf+5XwnL2JGxg-0Ki0huw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2b80b8a7-6658-2d6b-61fe-2d649167bb81@sonic.net>
 <E79DC583-26BF-49B0-8AC3-D80034A299D3@milby7.com>
 <CADCoycPrDdrpx+eT+7=tNkN14VDP8mf+5XwnL2JGxg-0Ki0huw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycODVpcTsutfr+NHT0N8m+M8WU4Hs4zrN-WxptfY9an1rA@mail.gmail.com>

after hitting the link, again, I got 1_0_21
The error is the same:

 executing at 1:39:25 PM

LCB Error Unable to get image geometry.

Object PolyList

LCB File
E:/Projects/GitHub/LiveCode-LTD/summer-mega-bundle/src/PolyList/PolyList.lcb

LCB Line 2791

On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 1:36 PM Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com>
wrote:

> I am not aware of a place to check the version/date. I received a link for
> the download, and I don't see the download as a separate item in my account
>
> On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 1:35 PM Brian Milby via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> I just rename the zip file when I download it :)
>>
>> But yes, only way to know currently is to log in and check the
>> version/date.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On Aug 18, 2022, at 11:49 AM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > On 8/18/22 07:42, Mike Kerner via use-livecode wrote:
>> >> fiddling with polylist examples, and i noticed in the
>> "lazyLoadOnlineImage"
>> >> example that I can trigger an error just by opening it and tapping
>> >> "populate"
>> >> can anyone else confirm?
>> >
>> > Yep. The polylist continually throws ridiculous errors at me.
>> >
>> (=E:/Projects/GitHub/LiveCode-LTD/summer-mega-bundle/src/PolyList/PolyList.lcb).
>> And that's at line 2791 (unable to get image geometry) but the source is
>> locked so there's nothing more to do.
>> >
>> > Also, the versioning thing is out of hand. I just downloaded version
>> 1.0.0 of the bundle (again!) because I got a bugzilla notice that there was
>> a fix in the new version. So I now have v1.0.21 of the enhancements
>> packaged in a 1.0.0 zip file, and I see that half a dozen extensions have
>> been updated since the last time I downloaded 1.0.0. And there was no
>> notification that anything had been updated/fixed/whatever. If it hadn't
>> been for the comment Panos put into bugzilla how is anyone supposed to know
>> that things have been updated?
>> >
>> > --
>> > Mark Wieder
>> > ahsoftware at gmail.com
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > use-livecode mailing list
>> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
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>
>
> --
> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>    and did a little diving.
> And God said, "This is good."
>


-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."

From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Thu Aug 18 13:51:18 2022
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2022 10:51:18 -0700
Subject: polylist toys
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycPrDdrpx+eT+7=tNkN14VDP8mf+5XwnL2JGxg-0Ki0huw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2b80b8a7-6658-2d6b-61fe-2d649167bb81@sonic.net>
 <E79DC583-26BF-49B0-8AC3-D80034A299D3@milby7.com>
 <CADCoycPrDdrpx+eT+7=tNkN14VDP8mf+5XwnL2JGxg-0Ki0huw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3a207b28-ab58-b090-1564-7b3c29bc1ccc@sonic.net>

On 8/18/22 10:36, Mike Kerner via use-livecode wrote:
> I am not aware of a place to check the version/date. I received a link for
> the download, and I don't see the download as a separate item in my account

It's hidden under "Third Party". Scroll down and there's something like 
"livecode enhancements".

Then you download it, unzip it into a folder, launch the IDE, and open 
the widgetpackinstaller stack and click Install. Ignore (Purge) the 
errors about multiple stacks with the same name. When it's done a button 
(!) appears that says "Complete". Clicking it doesn't do anything 
useful. I don't know what happens if an error occurs.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com


From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Thu Aug 18 13:53:05 2022
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2022 10:53:05 -0700
Subject: polylist toys
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycODVpcTsutfr+NHT0N8m+M8WU4Hs4zrN-WxptfY9an1rA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2b80b8a7-6658-2d6b-61fe-2d649167bb81@sonic.net>
 <E79DC583-26BF-49B0-8AC3-D80034A299D3@milby7.com>
 <CADCoycPrDdrpx+eT+7=tNkN14VDP8mf+5XwnL2JGxg-0Ki0huw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CADCoycODVpcTsutfr+NHT0N8m+M8WU4Hs4zrN-WxptfY9an1rA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ee3ebe11-7543-42c6-21a9-5b2f0ca66997@sonic.net>

On 8/18/22 10:40, Mike Kerner via use-livecode wrote:
> after hitting the link, again, I got 1_0_21
> The error is the same:
> 
>   executing at 1:39:25 PM
> 
> LCB Error Unable to get image geometry.
> 
> Object PolyList
> 
> LCB File
> E:/Projects/GitHub/LiveCode-LTD/summer-mega-bundle/src/PolyList/PolyList.lcb
> 
> LCB Line 2791

Yep. That's what I get as well. Not sure why there's a pointer to 
someone's Windows system. I'm guessing that gets bound in when the lcb 
file is generated by the build process.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com


From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Thu Aug 18 14:02:47 2022
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2022 14:02:47 -0400
Subject: polylist toys
In-Reply-To: <ee3ebe11-7543-42c6-21a9-5b2f0ca66997@sonic.net>
References: <2b80b8a7-6658-2d6b-61fe-2d649167bb81@sonic.net>
 <E79DC583-26BF-49B0-8AC3-D80034A299D3@milby7.com>
 <CADCoycPrDdrpx+eT+7=tNkN14VDP8mf+5XwnL2JGxg-0Ki0huw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CADCoycODVpcTsutfr+NHT0N8m+M8WU4Hs4zrN-WxptfY9an1rA@mail.gmail.com>
 <ee3ebe11-7543-42c6-21a9-5b2f0ca66997@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <CADCoycNyS6bRuzm88ZHh8uPoEx9dRsPtKYZsrsDoFzQBBnO-vw@mail.gmail.com>

oh, that's right, it's in "third party". i just hit the download link in
the megabundle email, again.
21 is the latest, according to the site, which is what i just tried, a
little bit ago.

On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 1:54 PM Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> On 8/18/22 10:40, Mike Kerner via use-livecode wrote:
> > after hitting the link, again, I got 1_0_21
> > The error is the same:
> >
> >   executing at 1:39:25 PM
> >
> > LCB Error Unable to get image geometry.
> >
> > Object PolyList
> >
> > LCB File
> >
> E:/Projects/GitHub/LiveCode-LTD/summer-mega-bundle/src/PolyList/PolyList.lcb
> >
> > LCB Line 2791
>
> Yep. That's what I get as well. Not sure why there's a pointer to
> someone's Windows system. I'm guessing that gets bound in when the lcb
> file is generated by the build process.
>
> --
>   Mark Wieder
>   ahsoftware at gmail.com
>
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-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."

From dougr at telus.net  Thu Aug 18 14:18:25 2022
From: dougr at telus.net (Douglas A. Ruisaard)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2022 11:18:25 -0700
Subject: issue related to Print.PrintSupport.Source.dll
In-Reply-To: <34168E63-E3FF-4D62-ADB4-BB2CC54108EF@iotecdigital.com>
References: <059601d8b269$8a8aebe0$9fa0c3a0$@telus.net>
 <e3a9ea0f-ffd6-f4d8-154a-4556a586fda0@hyperactivesw.com>
 <52cef82a-8d8e-223e-c6e0-0d54d0daf146@sonic.net>
 <34168E63-E3FF-4D62-ADB4-BB2CC54108EF@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <02a101d8b32e$e8478b60$b8d6a220$@telus.net>

I VERY much appreciate the feedback … it helps not to feel isolated with a virtually unsolvable issue which affects one’s credibility with clients.  It is somewhat strange that this does seem to implicate LC to some degree, though.  A version of my code which (probably) used whatever LC version was fairly current in 2013 (I should, but don’t, keep track of what version of LC I use for various releases of my applications) DOES NOT exhibit this issue on the very same installations which are experiencing the error.

I would have used LC v 9.1 to produce the standalone which is *VERY* occasionally exhibiting this issue.  So … apparently … sometime along the way, LC changes seem to have “promoted” the potential for this error.

I’ve told the customers that I cannot possible fix something which I cannot reproduce.  I’ve also insinuated that even if LC *does* discover and fix the underlying issue, that I *WILL NOT* re-issue a new version with the VAST majority of 5,000+ installations NOT experiencing a problem … citing the amount of regression testing which would be mandated as a part of such a revision.

Again, thanks for the responses… this group is ALWAYS awesome in its support and knowledge!

Douglas Ruisaard
           
    Trilogy Software
      (250) 573-3935



-----Original Message-----
From: use-livecode <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com> On Behalf Of Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2022 8:28 AM
To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Cc: Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com>
Subject: Re: issue related to Print.PrintSupport.Source.dll

Not unheard of. Some years back we discovered that if the HP Universal Print Driver had been installed, Toshiba drivers would not work at all. We had to uninstall the HP Universal Driver and replace it with the model-specific driver. 

Bob S

> On Aug 17, 2022, at 16:27 , Mark Wieder via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> On 8/17/22 15:02, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
> 
>> We had one instance where the user didn't have a printer at all, but just deleting the Epson driver fixed it.
> 
> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
> 
> -- 
> Mark Wieder
> ahsoftware at gmail.com
> 
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From bduck at mac.com  Thu Aug 18 14:27:25 2022
From: bduck at mac.com (Brian K. Duck)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2022 14:27:25 -0400
Subject: Fall 2022 xAPI Cohort Starts in Two Weeks! 
Message-ID: <F24643FE-4900-4711-AD5F-252002EC46D0@mac.com>



Join us for the LIVE kickoff web session on September 1st
Starting on September 1st, every Thursday for 12 weeks, xAPI Cohort live web sessions will take place from 2:00 - 3:00 pm Eastern (US) Time. We will be sharing the link to the Virtual Classroom in an upcoming email so keep an eye on your inbox! 

Our first session will introduce xAPI and the xAPI Cohort. We'll talk about the projects you can take on, how to join a team, and what makes a project group successful. 

Please don’t feel overwhelmed if you’re not quite ready to brainstorm projects yet.

To join, or Explore the xAPI Cohort website.

https://xapicohort.com/

In past cohorts, we had a team work with LiveCode to build a sample stack for sending xAPI requests to a server. In there any interest in helping to update the project for LiveCode 10?

Brian Duck

From andreas.bergendal at gmail.com  Thu Aug 18 14:49:57 2022
From: andreas.bergendal at gmail.com (Andreas Bergendal)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2022 20:49:57 +0200
Subject: A web app launcher with responsive design
Message-ID: <09E684DF-5A79-4BA4-BDD7-FF931C24A7F2@gmail.com>

I have now redesigned the portal page and made it much more responsive and also with clearer sections for the example stacks:
https://wheninspace.com/portal/ <https://wheninspace.com/portal/> 
(You may need to clear the browser cache, or open the link in a private browser window if it looks the same as before.)

I've also updated the download package and put a link to it from the portal stack.

From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Thu Aug 18 15:04:55 2022
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2022 21:04:55 +0200
Subject: i wonder what other widgets i'm missing
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycPHvmNRKD4pz1VbersvxrnN7Fj3Nr5rM=tAOhGsCf5DCg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycPHvmNRKD4pz1VbersvxrnN7Fj3Nr5rM=tAOhGsCf5DCg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B06D1B0A-9F7F-4796-97F6-7FBCFDDC5433@m-r-d.de>

Normally the release notes of every Livecode version contains also information about newly added widgets.

Regarding the PolyGrid and PolyList widgets. They were first released with the Megabundle. They were not available before.
The original developer posted a year or so ago in the Livecode FB group about Polygrid and posted also a link to an sample stack with  preview version of the PolyGrid widget.
The release of the widget  was promised for weeks later, but that never did happen.

On Mac you can find all in Livecode  included widgets in the application bundle under /contents/Tools/Extensions
Sometimes widgets from Livecode community members are offered in the LC forums. A nice one btw is the gauge widget from Bernd Niggemann
https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=93&t=29348&hilit=gauge <https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=93&t=29348&hilit=gauge>

Regards,
Matthias



> Am 18.08.2022 um 03:02 schrieb Mike Kerner via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> I bought the megabundle and installed the widgets.
> Then I started checking out the signature widget, and discover that some of
> you have been using it for four years. I didn't even know it existed before
> today, and I have a Business license (I also had not been aware of the
> polylist/polygrids before the megabundle)
> So now I'm wondering
> a) what other widgets i'm missing
> b) since the widget store is kind of sparse, if there are other places to
> look for LC toys, especially widgets?
> 
> -- 
> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>   and did a little diving.
> And God said, "This is good."
> _______________________________________________
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Aug 18 15:13:36 2022
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2022 14:13:36 -0500
Subject: issue related to Print.PrintSupport.Source.dll
In-Reply-To: <02a101d8b32e$e8478b60$b8d6a220$@telus.net>
References: <059601d8b269$8a8aebe0$9fa0c3a0$@telus.net>
 <e3a9ea0f-ffd6-f4d8-154a-4556a586fda0@hyperactivesw.com>
 <52cef82a-8d8e-223e-c6e0-0d54d0daf146@sonic.net>
 <34168E63-E3FF-4D62-ADB4-BB2CC54108EF@iotecdigital.com>
 <02a101d8b32e$e8478b60$b8d6a220$@telus.net>
Message-ID: <74e73415-4abe-46fc-19d2-ea7dd72da873@hyperactivesw.com>

On 8/18/22 1:18 PM, Douglas A. Ruisaard via use-livecode wrote:
> I VERY much appreciate the feedback … it helps not to feel isolated with a virtually unsolvable issue which affects one’s credibility with clients.

There is more info in the bug report:
<https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23659>

For us the problem did not show up until users installed Windows 11, and the drivers that ship 
with that conflict with LC, while the OEM driver does not. If Win 10 users are having the same 
issue, it may be that they got an update which updated the older drivers.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com

From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Aug 18 15:52:57 2022
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2022 14:52:57 -0500
Subject: A few issues with web apps
Message-ID: <fbd7ddec-1816-301d-43e5-152b84e1f034@hyperactivesw.com>

I have just created my first web deployment and I'm *very* impressed. I didn't need to change 
any of the original scripts, the only changes were for visual elements that were different when 
run in a browser.  Aside from appearance, the scripts ran flawlessly.

On desktop it's great in all three browsers I tested on. But I ran into issues when running in 
mobile browsers on Android. Does anyone know how to fix these things:

1. Editable fields fail with both SwiftKey and GBoard keyboards, though they fail in different 
ways. The cursor is misaligned on GBoard, I can't type spaces in SwiftKey, and it is impossible 
to drag-select text in either one. Do I need an Android native field? Right now I'm just using 
LC fields.

2. The slider widget does not allow dragging the round indicator button. I can tap the bar to 
get an approximate setting but fine tuning with the slider button is impossible. Rather than 
slide, the whole web canvas moves instead.

3. I have some scrolling fields and the default Motif scrollbar looks awful. How do I implement 
a native browser scroller? Should I use the scripts I use for mobile devices? What's the best 
way to implement scrolling fields?

All in all, everything else works, which is really quite incredible.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Thu Aug 18 16:02:43 2022
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2022 16:02:43 -0400
Subject: i wonder what other widgets i'm missing
In-Reply-To: <B06D1B0A-9F7F-4796-97F6-7FBCFDDC5433@m-r-d.de>
References: <CADCoycPHvmNRKD4pz1VbersvxrnN7Fj3Nr5rM=tAOhGsCf5DCg@mail.gmail.com>
 <B06D1B0A-9F7F-4796-97F6-7FBCFDDC5433@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <CADCoycOXV=zMjYGSrSeYvxheKh2FBFq=ayuv-xRxBqkBQvF_RA@mail.gmail.com>

what is curious is the signature widget, at least according to one of the
threads i was reading, was out in since 2019, but it never showed up in the
list of widgets in my tools palette. reading the thread, it seemed that
some people had access to it, then.

On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 3:06 PM matthias rebbe via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Normally the release notes of every Livecode version contains also
> information about newly added widgets.
>
> Regarding the PolyGrid and PolyList widgets. They were first released with
> the Megabundle. They were not available before.
> The original developer posted a year or so ago in the Livecode FB group
> about Polygrid and posted also a link to an sample stack with  preview
> version of the PolyGrid widget.
> The release of the widget  was promised for weeks later, but that never
> did happen.
>
> On Mac you can find all in Livecode  included widgets in the application
> bundle under /contents/Tools/Extensions
> Sometimes widgets from Livecode community members are offered in the LC
> forums. A nice one btw is the gauge widget from Bernd Niggemann
> https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=93&t=29348&hilit=gauge <
> https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=93&t=29348&hilit=gauge>
>
> Regards,
> Matthias
>
>
>
> > Am 18.08.2022 um 03:02 schrieb Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> >
> > I bought the megabundle and installed the widgets.
> > Then I started checking out the signature widget, and discover that some
> of
> > you have been using it for four years. I didn't even know it existed
> before
> > today, and I have a Business license (I also had not been aware of the
> > polylist/polygrids before the megabundle)
> > So now I'm wondering
> > a) what other widgets i'm missing
> > b) since the widget store is kind of sparse, if there are other places to
> > look for LC toys, especially widgets?
> >
> > --
> > On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> > On the second day, God created the oceans.
> > On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
> >   and did a little diving.
> > And God said, "This is good."
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."

From steven.crighton at livecode.com  Thu Aug 18 16:19:42 2022
From: steven.crighton at livecode.com (Steven Crighton)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2022 21:19:42 +0100
Subject: polylist toys
In-Reply-To: <E90BE055-1AA2-4D85-85A5-25A8F7C52FD6@livecode.com>
References: <E90BE055-1AA2-4D85-85A5-25A8F7C52FD6@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <087E1D1D-B0D0-4956-A20C-DE679F99871C@livecode.com>

Hi Mike

I see the issue now. If you were to load this in the latest LiveCode 10 DP you would not get that error (this is why I was not seeing it earlier). 

LiveCode 10 has an LCB feature that is required for this specific error not to occur. That LCB feature is not present in any LC9 version

Steven

From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Thu Aug 18 16:29:06 2022
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2022 16:29:06 -0400
Subject: polylist toys
In-Reply-To: <087E1D1D-B0D0-4956-A20C-DE679F99871C@livecode.com>
References: <E90BE055-1AA2-4D85-85A5-25A8F7C52FD6@livecode.com>
 <087E1D1D-B0D0-4956-A20C-DE679F99871C@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycO=T8g9WRdgEASk2SZ=0KAF3Q-MyZKYTVnkcWW-X-SiVA@mail.gmail.com>

confirmed. 10 fixes it.

On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 4:20 PM Steven Crighton via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi Mike
>
> I see the issue now. If you were to load this in the latest LiveCode 10 DP
> you would not get that error (this is why I was not seeing it earlier).
>
> LiveCode 10 has an LCB feature that is required for this specific error
> not to occur. That LCB feature is not present in any LC9 version
>
> Steven
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> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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> subscription preferences:
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-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."

From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Thu Aug 18 18:02:51 2022
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2022 00:02:51 +0200
Subject: [ANN] 1-D Barcode generator Widget 1.0 is looking for Testers
Message-ID: <CANbzFDowu4ZY8EkSraMmoayJmhucrKADxRGHvCDJKbKGR_KkCQ@mail.gmail.com>

Dear LiveCode Users:

It has been a long time since I've come with something really new.

So, I'm pleased to announce our first widget generating one-dimensional
barcodes.

Here is the list of the barcodes styles supported:
- Code39
- Code128A, Code128B, Code128C
- EAN8, EAN13
- UPC-A, UPC-E
- ITF

As usual to ensure the best quality possible before a final release, we
need some help for testing this widget outside of our development
environment.
Ideally we will be happy to send a beta version to users interested to
help.

If you have some interest in this new widget and would like to help, feel
free to drop me a note.

Some more informations about this barcode generator widget are available
here:
https://www.aslugontheroad.com/41-barcode-generator-widget-1-0-0-ready-for-a-beta-test



Best Regards,
--
Zryip TheSlug
http://www.aslugontheroad.com

From alex at tweedly.net  Thu Aug 18 18:13:13 2022
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2022 23:13:13 +0100
Subject: polylist toys
In-Reply-To: <E90BE055-1AA2-4D85-85A5-25A8F7C52FD6@livecode.com>
References: <E90BE055-1AA2-4D85-85A5-25A8F7C52FD6@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <d8d35b69-7989-d5d7-228b-c1f3fa7bbb97@tweedly.net>


On 18/08/2022 17:34, Steven Crighton via use-livecode wrote:
> Hi Mike,
>
> I just tested the lazy load example and hit populate and clicked around etc and could not trigger an error.

As already confirmed, that problem is fixed in 10.

However, the lazy load example still contains bugs due to race 
conditions, some of which I described in some forum post somewhere (Boy 
do I hate the forums! Surely there's some way to check what posts I have 
done myself).

Thinking about it more, there are other race conditions which are 
perhaps more obscure, but more serious. I know it's only an example, and 
maybe can't be expected to be bulletproof, but as an example of how to 
do Lazy Loading it is (IMHO) really too naive and simplistic. People 
expect to take those examples and just use them.

The obvious race conditions are:

1. if multiple entries reference the same image, then there is a chance 
the earlier ones never get properly updated (sURLToIndex[pURL] will have 
been overwritten by the next call to onlineImage before the image value 
gets set).

2. if the user (or anything else) resets the dataContent of the widget 
while there are outstanding "load URL"s, then when the downloadComplete 
is triggered, it will set the image value for some random new item to 
the image of the earlier one.

3. And if the one which was wrongly set in case 2 above also happens to 
be a URL that occurs multiple time (i.e. case 1 above), then that 
wrongly set image will remain "forever".

Alex.

From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Aug 18 18:25:47 2022
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2022 15:25:47 -0700
Subject: issue related to Print.PrintSupport.Source.dll
In-Reply-To: <e3a9ea0f-ffd6-f4d8-154a-4556a586fda0@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <e3a9ea0f-ffd6-f4d8-154a-4556a586fda0@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <af0786a0-d4c7-1955-af0a-761cb1d18ecf@fourthworld.com>

J. Landman Gay wrote:

 > The suggested fix in the bug report has worked for us:
 >
 > https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23659
 >
 > Basically, delete the driver that comes with Windows and get the
 > driver from Epson. Most of the  problems seem to be with Epson
 > printers but if your customers have a different printer, try
 > that OEM driver.


The Read Me that came with MetaCard included: "MetaCard is very good at 
exposing bugs in drivers."

It used to annoy me that Raney would ask me to make sure I was using the 
latest driver available from the manufacturer of whatever device I was 
having trouble with (displays, printers, etc.).

I'd say, "But it doesn't happen with any other software!"

And he'd say, "Please check the driver version, and if a newer one 
doesn't fix it let me know."

In nearly every such case since I had that exchange with him in 1999, he 
was right.

Always check driver versions.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Aug 18 18:29:23 2022
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2022 15:29:23 -0700
Subject: Comparison chart for DataGrid, PolyList, PolyGrid, list fields....
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycMNLgDFW2fy8cDuXcgRBJ_vo1CvwHB+rPiPLz9dqGL5Vg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycMNLgDFW2fy8cDuXcgRBJ_vo1CvwHB+rPiPLz9dqGL5Vg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9bd49760-3f8a-a19a-8c44-907fb0c849fc@fourthworld.com>


If a newcomer needs to display a list, how can they know what to use?

Currently we have:

- list field
- Table field
- DataGrid
- PolyGrid
- PolyList
- others?

Is there a chart listing the features of each that I can point new users 
to when this question comes up?

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems


From skiplondon at gmail.com  Thu Aug 18 18:38:39 2022
From: skiplondon at gmail.com (Skip Kimpel)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2022 18:38:39 -0400
Subject: Livecode / Github
Message-ID: <CAO8Ty4NWTBYSLbgt3oV+j5ODOijj4FMnAcibFjUs4czvDh=qSw@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings!

Been a while since I have been on this list.  Working on a new project and
wondering if the backing up of Livecode files to Github was ever
implemented and created.  I know there was talk of it at one time.

I apologize if it has been in place for a while and I am just out of the
loop.  Actually, I HOPE that is the case!

Regards,

SKIP

From mkoob at rogers.com  Thu Aug 18 18:49:32 2022
From: mkoob at rogers.com (Martin Koob)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2022 18:49:32 -0400
Subject: Comparison chart for DataGrid, PolyList, PolyGrid, list fields....
In-Reply-To: <9bd49760-3f8a-a19a-8c44-907fb0c849fc@fourthworld.com>
References: <CADCoycMNLgDFW2fy8cDuXcgRBJ_vo1CvwHB+rPiPLz9dqGL5Vg@mail.gmail.com>
 <9bd49760-3f8a-a19a-8c44-907fb0c849fc@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <2070B206-989F-4155-9A92-1A0688B0C9EA@rogers.com>

Hi Richard

As far as others here are three I know of.


There is the Tree View widget in LiveCode that gives you a hierarchical list.
There is an explanation of that widget here:
https://livecode.fandom.com/wiki/Tree_view_widget <https://livecode.fandom.com/wiki/Tree_view_widget>

There is a third party product DataTree. 
https://www.nativesoft.net/products/datatree/ <https://www.nativesoft.net/products/datatree/>

Levure has its own version of the DataGrid, the DataView
https://github.com/trevordevore/levurehelper-dataview <https://github.com/trevordevore/levurehelper-dataview>
https://github.com/trevordevore/dataview_demo <https://github.com/trevordevore/dataview_demo>


Martin


> On Aug 18, 2022, at 6:29 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> If a newcomer needs to display a list, how can they know what to use?
> 
> Currently we have:
> 
> - list field
> - Table field
> - DataGrid
> - PolyGrid
> - PolyList
> - others?
> 
> Is there a chart listing the features of each that I can point new users to when this question comes up?
> 
> -- 
> Richard Gaskin
> Fourth World Systems
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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From paul at researchware.com  Thu Aug 18 18:50:22 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2022 18:50:22 -0400
Subject: Comparison chart for DataGrid, PolyList, PolyGrid, list fields....
In-Reply-To: <9bd49760-3f8a-a19a-8c44-907fb0c849fc@fourthworld.com>
References: <CADCoycMNLgDFW2fy8cDuXcgRBJ_vo1CvwHB+rPiPLz9dqGL5Vg@mail.gmail.com>
 <9bd49760-3f8a-a19a-8c44-907fb0c849fc@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <0176da5b-374a-78c4-c671-59865221f578@researchware.com>

On 8/18/2022 6:29 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:
>
> If a newcomer needs to display a list, how can they know what to use?
>
> Currently we have:
>
> - list field
> - Table field
> - DataGrid
> - PolyGrid
> - PolyList
> - others?
>
> Is there a chart listing the features of each that I can point new 
> users to when this question comes up?
>

No list, but I did discover one reason for choosing PolyGrid over 
DataGrid recently. Large number of columns (such as user generated 
research data). The DataGrid is a group and so is limited to a total 
width of all columns of 32767px, or about 327 columns at the default of 
100px per column. Exceed this and the data stops displaying. I have 
tested PolyGrid with 1000 columns without issue. The Datagrid column 
limit can also be an issue if you are close to the limit and the user 
resizes 1 or more columns to exceed the total pixel limit (assuming you 
have column resizing turned on, which it is by default)




From mkoob at rogers.com  Thu Aug 18 19:03:38 2022
From: mkoob at rogers.com (Martin Koob)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2022 19:03:38 -0400
Subject: Livecode / Github
In-Reply-To: <CAO8Ty4NWTBYSLbgt3oV+j5ODOijj4FMnAcibFjUs4czvDh=qSw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAO8Ty4NWTBYSLbgt3oV+j5ODOijj4FMnAcibFjUs4czvDh=qSw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43CFC7B4-A77B-4970-9567-03FB3CC9835D@rogers.com>

Hi SKIP

Welcome back to the list!

There is Levure which I knew of as a third party application framework created by Trevor DeVore but I just did a search for it and I see it now on the LiveCode website described as an App Collaboration Framework.  https://livecode.com/products/livecode-platform/levure/ <https://livecode.com/products/livecode-platform/levure/>  So it must have at some point migrated to the mother ship.

I haven’t used it but I have considered migrating my application to it.  It works with version control systems as long as you follow its recommendations about how to organize your code into behaviours that are stored in script only stacks which are just text files that a version control system can read (These are somewhat new so depending on when you last used LiveCode they may be new to you.)  This was an enhancement that has enabled the use of version control for scripts in a project. It is the binary stacks that versions control systems can’t track so in Levure those are just used for user interface.

Hope this helps.

Martin


> On Aug 18, 2022, at 6:38 PM, Skip Kimpel via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Greetings!
> 
> Been a while since I have been on this list.  Working on a new project and
> wondering if the backing up of Livecode files to Github was ever
> implemented and created.  I know there was talk of it at one time.
> 
> I apologize if it has been in place for a while and I am just out of the
> loop.  Actually, I HOPE that is the case!
> 
> Regards,
> 
> SKIP
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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From paul at researchware.com  Thu Aug 18 19:20:02 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2022 19:20:02 -0400
Subject: AW: Polygrid sorting (problems)
In-Reply-To: <7196ee9c-c1a7-2b8e-df50-33fb48aed57a@researchware.com>
References: <d3e79085-1552-b5fe-9289-99c60976a6a9@researchware.com>
 <4bf5092d-5a4c-d27d-d6fb-a9245c6ba728@researchware.com>
 <7196ee9c-c1a7-2b8e-df50-33fb48aed57a@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <88f81dd8-9aa5-bc87-3993-85100d2a1b13@researchware.com>

All,

Bug 23886 has been fixed with the latest release of the Summer Bundle 
widget sets. Download from the store.

On 8/17/2022 3:51 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
> BTW the problem of:
> the text of widget X
> the csvData of widget X
> the tsvData of widget X
> AND (not in the Livecode 9.6.8 Dictionary for PolyGrid 1.1.1)
> the pgText of widget X
> ALL not returning the full data for a PolyGrid widget is a confirmed bug:
>
> See https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23886
>
>
>
> On 8/15/2022 3:34 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
>> So there is an example of sorting in the PolyGrid documentation under 
>> the entry for the MESSAGE "headerClick" and under the entry to the 
>> PROPERTY "text" (and in 'the text of me')
>>
>> The example code only sort the visible rows as "the text of widget X" 
>> returns the data of PolyGrid X as tab delimited, WITHOUT the column 
>> headers, but ONLY the visible rows.
>>
>> So, what to use for sorting all the data in a PolyGrid by a 
>> particular column?
>>
>> The tsvData of widget X (and csvData, and Text) doesn't seem to work. 
>> The all seems to only get the visible data (rows). Only the pgData of 
>> widget return the whole dataset of the PolyGrid. Is this the way 
>> these properties are supposed to work?
>>
>> If that is how text, csvData, and tsvData are supposed to work 
>> (returning only the visible rows), then the sort example in the 
>> PolyGrid documentation require updating otherwise these properties 
>> require updating!
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8/15/2022 2:29 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
>>> So, I bought the Summer Bundle. Yes, it is a good deal.
>>>
>>> In my case it was primarily for the Polygrid widget. Our application 
>>> uses a Datagrid to display customer research data. The columns 
>>> headers are text and the left most column ROWs are test and all 
>>> other cells are numbers. Some customers can have quite large data 
>>> sets and I have been running into the number of columns (ad a 
>>> default width of 100px per column) exceeding a GROUPs 32,767px width 
>>> maximum (about 327-328 columns). At this point the Datagrid just 
>>> fails - no data is displayed.
>>>
>>> I can now attest that a Polygrid (under LC 9.6.8) does not have this 
>>> limit. I have a "test" stack (for Datagrid testing) I converted to 
>>> the Polygrid and can easily generate 1000 columns x 1000 rows of 
>>> data and it works.
>>>
>>> So I guess the answer to bug 
>>> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23875 is "Use the 
>>> PolyGrid"
>>>
>>> On that note, the Datagrid has 2 features I use in this specific 
>>> case, user column resizing (built into the Polygrid - Yea!) and 
>>> column sorting (NOT built into the Polygrid - Boo!). So, does anyone 
>>> have some column sort code for the Polygrid they have written that 
>>> they might be willing to share?
>>>
>>> Also, I have filled a Polygrid enhancement request to allow the left 
>>> column (or the left N columns) to be locked/frozen, so they remain 
>>> visible when the Polygrid is scrolled horizontally. See 
>>> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23880. If you might 
>>> benefit from this enhancement, please follow the bug or add a 
>>> comment to that effect.
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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>>> subscription preferences:
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From alex at tweedly.net  Thu Aug 18 19:32:56 2022
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2022 00:32:56 +0100
Subject: Polylist widget Lazy Loading images example. [was Re: polylist toys]
In-Reply-To: <d8d35b69-7989-d5d7-228b-c1f3fa7bbb97@tweedly.net>
References: <E90BE055-1AA2-4D85-85A5-25A8F7C52FD6@livecode.com>
 <d8d35b69-7989-d5d7-228b-c1f3fa7bbb97@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <56c60308-313d-4518-049a-707e448299b0@tweedly.net>


On 18/08/2022 23:13, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:
>
> However, the lazy load example still contains bugs due to race conditions

Solution:

replace the card script with the following .... should fix all the race 
conditions I can see.

> local sURLToIndex
>
> on onlineImage pIndex, pURL
>    put  pIndex &CR after sURLToIndex[pURL]
>    load URL pURL  with message "downloadComplete"
> end onlineImage
>
> on downloadComplete pURL, pSatus
>   local tURL
>   repeat for each line L in sURLToIndex[pURL]
>      set the itemPointer of widget "PolyList" to L
>      set the subItemPointer of widget "PolyList" to "url"
>      put the subitemContent of widget "PolyList" into tURL
>      if tURL = pURL then -- still the right URL
>         set the subItemPointer of widget "PolyList" to "image"
>         set the subitemContent of widget "PolyList" to URL pURL
>      end if
>   end repeat
>   put empty into sURLToIndex[pURL]
> end downloadComplete

And in the real world, add in cache aging, limit on number of entries, 
limit on total cache size in bytes, ...

Alex.

>
> 1. if multiple entries reference the same image, then there is a 
> chance the earlier ones never get properly updated (sURLToIndex[pURL] 
> will have been overwritten by the next call to onlineImage before the 
> image value gets set).
>
> 2. if the user (or anything else) resets the dataContent of the widget 
> while there are outstanding "load URL"s, then when the 
> downloadComplete is triggered, it will set the image value for some 
> random new item to the image of the earlier one.
>
> 3. And if the one which was wrongly set in case 2 above also happens 
> to be a URL that occurs multiple time (i.e. case 1 above), then that 
> wrongly set image will remain "forever".
>
>


From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Thu Aug 18 20:31:49 2022
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2022 20:31:49 -0400
Subject: AW: Polygrid sorting (problems)
In-Reply-To: <88f81dd8-9aa5-bc87-3993-85100d2a1b13@researchware.com>
References: <d3e79085-1552-b5fe-9289-99c60976a6a9@researchware.com>
 <4bf5092d-5a4c-d27d-d6fb-a9245c6ba728@researchware.com>
 <7196ee9c-c1a7-2b8e-df50-33fb48aed57a@researchware.com>
 <88f81dd8-9aa5-bc87-3993-85100d2a1b13@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycO4-XLLRsrYy2isSFLAgHvHa_dYE5bksFfC9LrgPgJhjA@mail.gmail.com>

which version is that? 21?

On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 7:21 PM Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> All,
>
> Bug 23886 has been fixed with the latest release of the Summer Bundle
> widget sets. Download from the store.
>
> On 8/17/2022 3:51 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
> > BTW the problem of:
> > the text of widget X
> > the csvData of widget X
> > the tsvData of widget X
> > AND (not in the Livecode 9.6.8 Dictionary for PolyGrid 1.1.1)
> > the pgText of widget X
> > ALL not returning the full data for a PolyGrid widget is a confirmed bug:
> >
> > See https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23886
> >
> >
> >
> > On 8/15/2022 3:34 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
> >> So there is an example of sorting in the PolyGrid documentation under
> >> the entry for the MESSAGE "headerClick" and under the entry to the
> >> PROPERTY "text" (and in 'the text of me')
> >>
> >> The example code only sort the visible rows as "the text of widget X"
> >> returns the data of PolyGrid X as tab delimited, WITHOUT the column
> >> headers, but ONLY the visible rows.
> >>
> >> So, what to use for sorting all the data in a PolyGrid by a
> >> particular column?
> >>
> >> The tsvData of widget X (and csvData, and Text) doesn't seem to work.
> >> The all seems to only get the visible data (rows). Only the pgData of
> >> widget return the whole dataset of the PolyGrid. Is this the way
> >> these properties are supposed to work?
> >>
> >> If that is how text, csvData, and tsvData are supposed to work
> >> (returning only the visible rows), then the sort example in the
> >> PolyGrid documentation require updating otherwise these properties
> >> require updating!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 8/15/2022 2:29 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
> >>> So, I bought the Summer Bundle. Yes, it is a good deal.
> >>>
> >>> In my case it was primarily for the Polygrid widget. Our application
> >>> uses a Datagrid to display customer research data. The columns
> >>> headers are text and the left most column ROWs are test and all
> >>> other cells are numbers. Some customers can have quite large data
> >>> sets and I have been running into the number of columns (ad a
> >>> default width of 100px per column) exceeding a GROUPs 32,767px width
> >>> maximum (about 327-328 columns). At this point the Datagrid just
> >>> fails - no data is displayed.
> >>>
> >>> I can now attest that a Polygrid (under LC 9.6.8) does not have this
> >>> limit. I have a "test" stack (for Datagrid testing) I converted to
> >>> the Polygrid and can easily generate 1000 columns x 1000 rows of
> >>> data and it works.
> >>>
> >>> So I guess the answer to bug
> >>> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23875 is "Use the
> >>> PolyGrid"
> >>>
> >>> On that note, the Datagrid has 2 features I use in this specific
> >>> case, user column resizing (built into the Polygrid - Yea!) and
> >>> column sorting (NOT built into the Polygrid - Boo!). So, does anyone
> >>> have some column sort code for the Polygrid they have written that
> >>> they might be willing to share?
> >>>
> >>> Also, I have filled a Polygrid enhancement request to allow the left
> >>> column (or the left N columns) to be locked/frozen, so they remain
> >>> visible when the Polygrid is scrolled horizontally. See
> >>> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23880. If you might
> >>> benefit from this enhancement, please follow the bug or add a
> >>> comment to that effect.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> use-livecode mailing list
> >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> >>> subscription preferences:
> >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >>
> >>
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On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
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And God said, "This is good."

From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Thu Aug 18 20:39:31 2022
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2022 20:39:31 -0400
Subject: Livecode / Github
In-Reply-To: <43CFC7B4-A77B-4970-9567-03FB3CC9835D@rogers.com>
References: <CAO8Ty4NWTBYSLbgt3oV+j5ODOijj4FMnAcibFjUs4czvDh=qSw@mail.gmail.com>
 <43CFC7B4-A77B-4970-9567-03FB3CC9835D@rogers.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycP9zp6XZkjYWyLYXLPY4S_r0pkz0PXkCtHy6SSd17SrEQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Skip, long time...
I don't know if you were around when script-only-stack behaviors came into
being, but you can now rip all of the code out of your stacks and happily
use vc/git. The stacks themselves are still binary (although several of us
have been messing with dumping that paradigm completely, it's less
practical than I would have hoped, as of today).
Navigator will export every script in a project into behavior stacks, and
Monte wrote a stack called "Scriptifier", if memory serves. It's embedded
in the LC bundle, and it does the same thing, namely extracting all the
scripts out of a project and putting them into .livecodescript text files.
Levure is great. I have used it with every project I've worked on for
several years, BUT you don't have to use it to go this route.

On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 7:04 PM Martin Koob via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi SKIP
>
> Welcome back to the list!
>
> There is Levure which I knew of as a third party application framework
> created by Trevor DeVore but I just did a search for it and I see it now on
> the LiveCode website described as an App Collaboration Framework.
> https://livecode.com/products/livecode-platform/levure/ <
> https://livecode.com/products/livecode-platform/levure/>  So it must have
> at some point migrated to the mother ship.
>
> I haven’t used it but I have considered migrating my application to it.
> It works with version control systems as long as you follow its
> recommendations about how to organize your code into behaviours that are
> stored in script only stacks which are just text files that a version
> control system can read (These are somewhat new so depending on when you
> last used LiveCode they may be new to you.)  This was an enhancement that
> has enabled the use of version control for scripts in a project. It is the
> binary stacks that versions control systems can’t track so in Levure those
> are just used for user interface.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Martin
>
>
> > On Aug 18, 2022, at 6:38 PM, Skip Kimpel via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Greetings!
> >
> > Been a while since I have been on this list.  Working on a new project
> and
> > wondering if the backing up of Livecode files to Github was ever
> > implemented and created.  I know there was talk of it at one time.
> >
> > I apologize if it has been in place for a while and I am just out of the
> > loop.  Actually, I HOPE that is the case!
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > SKIP
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
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On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."

From paul at researchware.com  Thu Aug 18 20:53:12 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2022 20:53:12 -0400
Subject: AW: Polygrid sorting (problems)
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycO4-XLLRsrYy2isSFLAgHvHa_dYE5bksFfC9LrgPgJhjA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d3e79085-1552-b5fe-9289-99c60976a6a9@researchware.com>
 <4bf5092d-5a4c-d27d-d6fb-a9245c6ba728@researchware.com>
 <7196ee9c-c1a7-2b8e-df50-33fb48aed57a@researchware.com>
 <88f81dd8-9aa5-bc87-3993-85100d2a1b13@researchware.com>
 <CADCoycO4-XLLRsrYy2isSFLAgHvHa_dYE5bksFfC9LrgPgJhjA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <651a0a20-7bdf-46b0-771d-a45a24687835@researchware.com>

Yes, Livecode enhancements bundle 1_0_21 (with PolyGrid 1.1.3)


On 8/18/2022 8:31 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode wrote:
> which version is that? 21?
>
> On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 7:21 PM Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> All,
>>
>> Bug 23886 has been fixed with the latest release of the Summer Bundle
>> widget sets. Download from the store.
>>
>> On 8/17/2022 3:51 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
>>> BTW the problem of:
>>> the text of widget X
>>> the csvData of widget X
>>> the tsvData of widget X
>>> AND (not in the Livecode 9.6.8 Dictionary for PolyGrid 1.1.1)
>>> the pgText of widget X
>>> ALL not returning the full data for a PolyGrid widget is a confirmed bug:
>>>
>>> See https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23886
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8/15/2022 3:34 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
>>>> So there is an example of sorting in the PolyGrid documentation under
>>>> the entry for the MESSAGE "headerClick" and under the entry to the
>>>> PROPERTY "text" (and in 'the text of me')
>>>>
>>>> The example code only sort the visible rows as "the text of widget X"
>>>> returns the data of PolyGrid X as tab delimited, WITHOUT the column
>>>> headers, but ONLY the visible rows.
>>>>
>>>> So, what to use for sorting all the data in a PolyGrid by a
>>>> particular column?
>>>>
>>>> The tsvData of widget X (and csvData, and Text) doesn't seem to work.
>>>> The all seems to only get the visible data (rows). Only the pgData of
>>>> widget return the whole dataset of the PolyGrid. Is this the way
>>>> these properties are supposed to work?
>>>>
>>>> If that is how text, csvData, and tsvData are supposed to work
>>>> (returning only the visible rows), then the sort example in the
>>>> PolyGrid documentation require updating otherwise these properties
>>>> require updating!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 8/15/2022 2:29 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
>>>>> So, I bought the Summer Bundle. Yes, it is a good deal.
>>>>>
>>>>> In my case it was primarily for the Polygrid widget. Our application
>>>>> uses a Datagrid to display customer research data. The columns
>>>>> headers are text and the left most column ROWs are test and all
>>>>> other cells are numbers. Some customers can have quite large data
>>>>> sets and I have been running into the number of columns (ad a
>>>>> default width of 100px per column) exceeding a GROUPs 32,767px width
>>>>> maximum (about 327-328 columns). At this point the Datagrid just
>>>>> fails - no data is displayed.
>>>>>
>>>>> I can now attest that a Polygrid (under LC 9.6.8) does not have this
>>>>> limit. I have a "test" stack (for Datagrid testing) I converted to
>>>>> the Polygrid and can easily generate 1000 columns x 1000 rows of
>>>>> data and it works.
>>>>>
>>>>> So I guess the answer to bug
>>>>> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23875 is "Use the
>>>>> PolyGrid"
>>>>>
>>>>> On that note, the Datagrid has 2 features I use in this specific
>>>>> case, user column resizing (built into the Polygrid - Yea!) and
>>>>> column sorting (NOT built into the Polygrid - Boo!). So, does anyone
>>>>> have some column sort code for the Polygrid they have written that
>>>>> they might be willing to share?
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, I have filled a Polygrid enhancement request to allow the left
>>>>> column (or the left N columns) to be locked/frozen, so they remain
>>>>> visible when the Polygrid is scrolled horizontally. See
>>>>> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23880. If you might
>>>>> benefit from this enhancement, please follow the bug or add a
>>>>> comment to that effect.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>>>> subscription preferences:
>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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From sean at pidigital.co.uk  Fri Aug 19 01:04:55 2022
From: sean at pidigital.co.uk (Pi Digital)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2022 06:04:55 +0100
Subject: Livecode / Github
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycP9zp6XZkjYWyLYXLPY4S_r0pkz0PXkCtHy6SSd17SrEQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycP9zp6XZkjYWyLYXLPY4S_r0pkz0PXkCtHy6SSd17SrEQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9860AEA8-BA22-4047-986E-A904AAB6AD47@pidigital.co.uk>

I tried scriptifier and it broke stuff so just be careful with it and check its output. 

Sean


> On 19 Aug 2022, at 01:39, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hey Skip, long time...
> I don't know if you were around when script-only-stack behaviors came into
> being, but you can now rip all of the code out of your stacks and happily
> use vc/git. The stacks themselves are still binary (although several of us
> have been messing with dumping that paradigm completely, it's less
> practical than I would have hoped, as of today).
> Navigator will export every script in a project into behavior stacks, and
> Monte wrote a stack called "Scriptifier", if memory serves. It's embedded
> in the LC bundle, and it does the same thing, namely extracting all the
> scripts out of a project and putting them into .livecodescript text files.
> Levure is great. I have used it with every project I've worked on for
> several years, BUT you don't have to use it to go this route.
> 
>> On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 7:04 PM Martin Koob via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi SKIP
>> 
>> Welcome back to the list!
>> 
>> There is Levure which I knew of as a third party application framework
>> created by Trevor DeVore but I just did a search for it and I see it now on
>> the LiveCode website described as an App Collaboration Framework.
>> https://livecode.com/products/livecode-platform/levure/ <
>> https://livecode.com/products/livecode-platform/levure/>  So it must have
>> at some point migrated to the mother ship.
>> 
>> I haven’t used it but I have considered migrating my application to it.
>> It works with version control systems as long as you follow its
>> recommendations about how to organize your code into behaviours that are
>> stored in script only stacks which are just text files that a version
>> control system can read (These are somewhat new so depending on when you
>> last used LiveCode they may be new to you.)  This was an enhancement that
>> has enabled the use of version control for scripts in a project. It is the
>> binary stacks that versions control systems can’t track so in Levure those
>> are just used for user interface.
>> 
>> Hope this helps.
>> 
>> Martin
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 18, 2022, at 6:38 PM, Skip Kimpel via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Greetings!
>>> 
>>> Been a while since I have been on this list.  Working on a new project
>> and
>>> wondering if the backing up of Livecode files to Github was ever
>>> implemented and created.  I know there was talk of it at one time.
>>> 
>>> I apologize if it has been in place for a while and I am just out of the
>>> loop.  Actually, I HOPE that is the case!
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> SKIP
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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> 
> 
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> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
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From andreas.bergendal at gmail.com  Fri Aug 19 03:39:27 2022
From: andreas.bergendal at gmail.com (Andreas Bergendal)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2022 09:39:27 +0200
Subject: A few issues with web apps
Message-ID: <52A0C209-091B-48AE-969B-50D59E8A2D9A@gmail.com>

Hi Jacque,

1. I can’t test on Android, but I doubt an Android native field would solve the problem here, as the platform is Web, thus not really natively Android. The LC web engine doesn’t seem to know where it is running, apart from "in a browser”… But do try putting an Android native field in your test stack and see what happens. I’ll test an iOS field and see what I get.

2. I confirm the slider widget/object looks and functions horribly on iOS and macOS too. See next point.

3. Motif makes most standard LC objects look horrible, but the mothership has promised to get rid of that in future releases (please hurry! :).

As to getting scrollers to work, some js seems necessary - see the excellent work by Kangaroo in the forum: https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=120&t=36957 <https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=120&t=36957>
Hopefully that solution can be applied to sliders too. Again, I doubt the native mobile scroller would work, because platform = web.

Actually, my next step is anyway to test scroller stuff in my portal - I’ll make sure to try not just fields but also the slider. I’ll be back! :)

/Andreas

From andreas.bergendal at gmail.com  Fri Aug 19 08:52:24 2022
From: andreas.bergendal at gmail.com (Andreas Bergendal)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2022 14:52:24 +0200
Subject: A few issues with web apps
Message-ID: <03BDE187-324D-42A6-BEC4-1B37D4D59A9D@gmail.com>

Bah, I can only get Kangaroo’s scroller trigger to work if deployed in a separate standalone. No matter how I try to integrate the code in my portal, it just doesn’t trigger.

In any case, the code that works in desktop web browsers doesn't work in mobile browsers, so there is still a problem to solve there. Hoping for the mothership to fix (in-field wheel/touch) scrolling natively in coming dp’s… 

I mean, clicking/touching the actual scrollbar of a field always works, but in a desktop browser you want the mouse wheel scroll to work in fields (Kangaroo’s script does that, sometimes...), and on mobile touching/dragging over a field should scroll it (still unsolved).

From merakosp at gmail.com  Fri Aug 19 08:55:03 2022
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis m)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2022 15:55:03 +0300
Subject: polylist toys
In-Reply-To: <d8d35b69-7989-d5d7-228b-c1f3fa7bbb97@tweedly.net>
References: <E90BE055-1AA2-4D85-85A5-25A8F7C52FD6@livecode.com>
 <d8d35b69-7989-d5d7-228b-c1f3fa7bbb97@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq-k4uxyNaf9xtChxR0xr7vbwoyuC7-zMrjZC5LYN4ZHiw@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

Thank you all for the useful comments.

I *think* the LCB feature in LC 10 Steven mentioned is the "is
valid" operator, that returns a boolean value indicating whether or not the
image data is valid.
Also, note that in the upcoming releases of LC 10 we will add syntax for
checking if a file/directory exists, so we could check not only image
validity but also image existence in the first place.

BTW, we have found a workaround for allowing this stack (lazy image
example) to work in LC 9 as well. The updated bundle will probably appear
in your account area in the next couple of days.

Kind regards,
Panos
--

On Fri, 19 Aug 2022 at 01:13, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

>
> On 18/08/2022 17:34, Steven Crighton via use-livecode wrote:
> > Hi Mike,
> >
> > I just tested the lazy load example and hit populate and clicked around
> etc and could not trigger an error.
>
> As already confirmed, that problem is fixed in 10.
>
> However, the lazy load example still contains bugs due to race
> conditions, some of which I described in some forum post somewhere (Boy
> do I hate the forums! Surely there's some way to check what posts I have
> done myself).
>
> Thinking about it more, there are other race conditions which are
> perhaps more obscure, but more serious. I know it's only an example, and
> maybe can't be expected to be bulletproof, but as an example of how to
> do Lazy Loading it is (IMHO) really too naive and simplistic. People
> expect to take those examples and just use them.
>
> The obvious race conditions are:
>
> 1. if multiple entries reference the same image, then there is a chance
> the earlier ones never get properly updated (sURLToIndex[pURL] will have
> been overwritten by the next call to onlineImage before the image value
> gets set).
>
> 2. if the user (or anything else) resets the dataContent of the widget
> while there are outstanding "load URL"s, then when the downloadComplete
> is triggered, it will set the image value for some random new item to
> the image of the earlier one.
>
> 3. And if the one which was wrongly set in case 2 above also happens to
> be a URL that occurs multiple time (i.e. case 1 above), then that
> wrongly set image will remain "forever".
>
> Alex.
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From merakosp at gmail.com  Fri Aug 19 08:58:19 2022
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis m)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2022 15:58:19 +0300
Subject: A few issues with web apps
In-Reply-To: <03BDE187-324D-42A6-BEC4-1B37D4D59A9D@gmail.com>
References: <03BDE187-324D-42A6-BEC4-1B37D4D59A9D@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq91S5D_MaFfcZtyU4PeNyiWDzmJmZvE6UamO6OxmYsR9A@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Andreas,

To use Kangaroo's sample stack as is (
https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=120&t=36957) you have to tweak
the custom standalone.html that is included in the Copy Files section and
replace "<script async src=standalone-10.0.0-dp-3.js></script>" at line 213
with the correct version of LC 10 you're using, I guess in this case
"<script async src=standalone-10.0.0-dp-4.js></script>"

Cheers,
Panos
--

On Fri, 19 Aug 2022 at 15:53, Andreas Bergendal via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Bah, I can only get Kangaroo’s scroller trigger to work if deployed in a
> separate standalone. No matter how I try to integrate the code in my
> portal, it just doesn’t trigger.
>
> In any case, the code that works in desktop web browsers doesn't work in
> mobile browsers, so there is still a problem to solve there. Hoping for the
> mothership to fix (in-field wheel/touch) scrolling natively in coming dp’s…
>
> I mean, clicking/touching the actual scrollbar of a field always works,
> but in a desktop browser you want the mouse wheel scroll to work in fields
> (Kangaroo’s script does that, sometimes...), and on mobile
> touching/dragging over a field should scroll it (still unsolved).
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From andreas.bergendal at gmail.com  Fri Aug 19 09:21:15 2022
From: andreas.bergendal at gmail.com (Andreas Bergendal)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2022 15:21:15 +0200
Subject: A few issues with web apps
Message-ID: <22040071-8E44-4E6E-9380-A9DC2D87BE62@gmail.com>

Thanks for the hint, Panos - that is useful to mention for those who want to try it.
However, that is not my problem - I’ve already done that! 

Kangaroo’s stack works as advertised, as is (with dp-4 mod):
https://wheninspace.com/test/WebScrollField.html <https://wheninspace.com/test/WebScrollField.html>

But when I try to use the code, either like in the original, where it is inserted by an LC script in preOpenStack, or by extracting the actual js and putting it into the html file beforehand, it just doesn’t trigger. I get no error message, js or LC, it just does nothing.

Actually, it was the same with the ”Meeting space” demo, which has a slightly different scroll wheel script. At first, I took both the resize js and the scroll js from there, but only the resize part works for me. It’s strange since my portal solution apparently catches resize events and passes them on to topStack, but fails to catch/pass scroll events…

/Andreas

From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Fri Aug 19 10:41:36 2022
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2022 10:41:36 -0400
Subject: polylist toys
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq-k4uxyNaf9xtChxR0xr7vbwoyuC7-zMrjZC5LYN4ZHiw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E90BE055-1AA2-4D85-85A5-25A8F7C52FD6@livecode.com>
 <d8d35b69-7989-d5d7-228b-c1f3fa7bbb97@tweedly.net>
 <CA+JfEq-k4uxyNaf9xtChxR0xr7vbwoyuC7-zMrjZC5LYN4ZHiw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycNvpwOBhiEM+nxHErkbBEnGY+_Mjmk2qTtxn-xnLFOkeQ@mail.gmail.com>

while we're on the topic, i was just having a conversation off-list and it
reminded me: we really should do another lcb class.
i looked at lcb a couple of times, messed with it, and then said "meh", and
moved on.

On Fri, Aug 19, 2022 at 8:56 AM panagiotis m via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Thank you all for the useful comments.
>
> I *think* the LCB feature in LC 10 Steven mentioned is the "is
> valid" operator, that returns a boolean value indicating whether or not the
> image data is valid.
> Also, note that in the upcoming releases of LC 10 we will add syntax for
> checking if a file/directory exists, so we could check not only image
> validity but also image existence in the first place.
>
> BTW, we have found a workaround for allowing this stack (lazy image
> example) to work in LC 9 as well. The updated bundle will probably appear
> in your account area in the next couple of days.
>
> Kind regards,
> Panos
> --
>
> On Fri, 19 Aug 2022 at 01:13, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > On 18/08/2022 17:34, Steven Crighton via use-livecode wrote:
> > > Hi Mike,
> > >
> > > I just tested the lazy load example and hit populate and clicked around
> > etc and could not trigger an error.
> >
> > As already confirmed, that problem is fixed in 10.
> >
> > However, the lazy load example still contains bugs due to race
> > conditions, some of which I described in some forum post somewhere (Boy
> > do I hate the forums! Surely there's some way to check what posts I have
> > done myself).
> >
> > Thinking about it more, there are other race conditions which are
> > perhaps more obscure, but more serious. I know it's only an example, and
> > maybe can't be expected to be bulletproof, but as an example of how to
> > do Lazy Loading it is (IMHO) really too naive and simplistic. People
> > expect to take those examples and just use them.
> >
> > The obvious race conditions are:
> >
> > 1. if multiple entries reference the same image, then there is a chance
> > the earlier ones never get properly updated (sURLToIndex[pURL] will have
> > been overwritten by the next call to onlineImage before the image value
> > gets set).
> >
> > 2. if the user (or anything else) resets the dataContent of the widget
> > while there are outstanding "load URL"s, then when the downloadComplete
> > is triggered, it will set the image value for some random new item to
> > the image of the earlier one.
> >
> > 3. And if the one which was wrongly set in case 2 above also happens to
> > be a URL that occurs multiple time (i.e. case 1 above), then that
> > wrongly set image will remain "forever".
> >
> > Alex.
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >
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And God said, "This is good."

From merakosp at gmail.com  Fri Aug 19 11:00:41 2022
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis m)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2022 18:00:41 +0300
Subject: A few issues with web apps
In-Reply-To: <22040071-8E44-4E6E-9380-A9DC2D87BE62@gmail.com>
References: <22040071-8E44-4E6E-9380-A9DC2D87BE62@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq9ToE-BRTOP-d+6JpxM=+SN-SXrvevmRMWuWrjt3E75pQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all,

BTW, I just wrote a lesson on how to scroll a LC text field on Web using
<do .. as javascript>:

https://lessons.livecode.com/m/2592/l/1595736-scrolling-a-livecode-text-field-on-web-using-javascript

Cheers,
Panos
--

On Fri, 19 Aug 2022 at 16:22, Andreas Bergendal via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Thanks for the hint, Panos - that is useful to mention for those who want
> to try it.
> However, that is not my problem - I’ve already done that!
>
> Kangaroo’s stack works as advertised, as is (with dp-4 mod):
> https://wheninspace.com/test/WebScrollField.html <
> https://wheninspace.com/test/WebScrollField.html>
>
> But when I try to use the code, either like in the original, where it is
> inserted by an LC script in preOpenStack, or by extracting the actual js
> and putting it into the html file beforehand, it just doesn’t trigger. I
> get no error message, js or LC, it just does nothing.
>
> Actually, it was the same with the ”Meeting space” demo, which has a
> slightly different scroll wheel script. At first, I took both the resize js
> and the scroll js from there, but only the resize part works for me. It’s
> strange since my portal solution apparently catches resize events and
> passes them on to topStack, but fails to catch/pass scroll events…
>
> /Andreas
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Aug 19 11:16:55 2022
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2022 10:16:55 -0500
Subject: A few issues with web apps
In-Reply-To: <22040071-8E44-4E6E-9380-A9DC2D87BE62@gmail.com>
References: <22040071-8E44-4E6E-9380-A9DC2D87BE62@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <182b6adba58.27a5.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>

I just tried the kangaroo example on your web site using my Android tablet. 
It behaves just like my slider widget. I can tap in the scrollbar to get 
the field scroll to jump but the indicator can't be moved. When I try, the 
whole canvas moves instead.

--
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HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
On August 19, 2022 8:23:25 AM Andreas Bergendal via use-livecode 
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Thanks for the hint, Panos - that is useful to mention for those who want 
> to try it.
> However, that is not my problem - Ive already done that!
>
> Kangaroos stack works as advertised, as is (with dp-4 mod):
> https://wheninspace.com/test/WebScrollField.html 
> <https://wheninspace.com/test/WebScrollField.html>
>
> But when I try to use the code, either like in the original, where it is 
> inserted by an LC script in preOpenStack, or by extracting the actual js 
> and putting it into the html file beforehand, it just doesnt trigger. I 
> get no error message, js or LC, it just does nothing.
>
> Actually, it was the same with the Meeting space demo, which has a 
> slightly different scroll wheel script. At first, I took both the resize js 
> and the scroll js from there, but only the resize part works for me. Its 
> strange since my portal solution apparently catches resize events and 
> passes them on to topStack, but fails to catch/pass scroll events
>
> /Andreas
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> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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From alex at tweedly.net  Fri Aug 19 13:16:37 2022
From: alex at tweedly.net (Tweedly)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2022 18:16:37 +0100
Subject: A few issues with web apps
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq9ToE-BRTOP-d+6JpxM=+SN-SXrvevmRMWuWrjt3E75pQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+JfEq9ToE-BRTOP-d+6JpxM=+SN-SXrvevmRMWuWrjt3E75pQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3A71F07E-2984-4797-AA82-3F9B63999504@tweedly.net>


> On 19 Aug 2022, at 16:01, panagiotis m via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> BTW, I just wrote a lesson on how to scroll a LC text field on Web using
> <do .. as javascript>:
>> 
Thank you. 
But at the risk of sounding ungrateful - please don’t.
Please just make basic functionality like resizing, scrolling, etc. Work properly and nicely out of the box.
Alex.


From paul at researchware.com  Fri Aug 19 17:09:39 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2022 17:09:39 -0400
Subject: Livecode performance problem
Message-ID: <c9167335-177e-87b1-7da7-b9a8b9028cab@researchware.com>

I have a set of fields, call them A, B, C, and D. Each has the same 
number of lines. Each field has different text (per line)

I need to combine the data - frequently - into a form that look like:

<i><tab><line i of fld A><tab><line i of fld B><tab><line i of fld 
C><tab><line i of fld D><cr>

For the number of lines in the set of fields. Currently I do this as 
follows:

put empty into vCombined
put fld A into v1
put fld B into v2
put fld C into v3
put fld D into v4
repeat with i=1 to the number of lines in v1
   put i &tab& line i of v1 &tab& line i of v2 &tab& line i of v3 &tab& 
line i of v4 into line i of vCombined
end repeat

I put the field contents into variable before the loop to combine them 
as my understanding is variable access is faster than field access in a loop

My question to the Hivemind is: Is there a noticeably faster way to 
covert these field to the tab delimited structure as show above than the 
code above?

This current takes about 20 seconds for 2000 lines or about a second per 
100 lines (very roughly, I was not using a timer in my code, just my 
wristwatch seconds in the IDE debugger between breakpoints)

Thank you for any pointers in advance,

Paul Dupuis
Researchware



From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Aug 19 18:07:52 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2022 22:07:52 +0000
Subject: Livecode performance problem
In-Reply-To: <c9167335-177e-87b1-7da7-b9a8b9028cab@researchware.com>
References: <c9167335-177e-87b1-7da7-b9a8b9028cab@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <68DC59EA-3206-4A23-8BB3-D35ECDB86619@iotecdigital.com>

Off the top of my head:

split v1 by tab
split v2 by tab
split v3 by tab
split v4 by tab

put the keys of v1 into tKeyList
sort tKeyList ascending numeric

repeat for each line tKey in tKeyList
   put tKey & tab & v1 [tKey] & tab & v2 [tKey] & tab & v3 [tKey] & tab & v4 [tKey] & cr after tCombined
end repeat

Not sure if this will be faster, but every time you refer to a line of a string the engine has to parse out where that line is from the beginning. Parsing times will increase exponentially (is that the right term?) the more lines you are parsing in both the source strings AND the destination string. 

But arrays are indexed memory locations so the engine knows exactly where every bit of text is. And putting something after a string does not have to parse to find the end, the engine knows where that is in memory. It might be even faster though if you build an array as output and then use the combine command to convert it all at once to a string. 

I am assuming of course that splitting does not put lines of text in random order in the array. Arrays can be dicey that way. 

Bob S



> On Aug 19, 2022, at 14:09 , Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I have a set of fields, call them A, B, C, and D. Each has the same number of lines. Each field has different text (per line)
> 
> I need to combine the data - frequently - into a form that look like:
> 
> <i><tab><line i of fld A><tab><line i of fld B><tab><line i of fld C><tab><line i of fld D><cr>
> 
> For the number of lines in the set of fields. Currently I do this as follows:
> 
> put empty into vCombined
> put fld A into v1
> put fld B into v2
> put fld C into v3
> put fld D into v4
> repeat with i=1 to the number of lines in v1
>   put i &tab& line i of v1 &tab& line i of v2 &tab& line i of v3 &tab& line i of v4 into line i of vCombined
> end repeat
> 
> I put the field contents into variable before the loop to combine them as my understanding is variable access is faster than field access in a loop
> 
> My question to the Hivemind is: Is there a noticeably faster way to covert these field to the tab delimited structure as show above than the code above?
> 
> This current takes about 20 seconds for 2000 lines or about a second per 100 lines (very roughly, I was not using a timer in my code, just my wristwatch seconds in the IDE debugger between breakpoints)
> 
> Thank you for any pointers in advance,
> 
> Paul Dupuis
> Researchware
> 
> 
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From brian at milby7.com  Fri Aug 19 18:13:04 2022
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2022 18:13:04 -0400
Subject: Livecode performance problem
In-Reply-To: <c9167335-177e-87b1-7da7-b9a8b9028cab@researchware.com>
References: <c9167335-177e-87b1-7da7-b9a8b9028cab@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <2C1E62C0-0048-4841-AC72-6BFAC56C9A35@milby7.com>

First optimization would be to put … & cr after vCombined and then delete the trailing from when done.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 19, 2022, at 5:11 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I have a set of fields, call them A, B, C, and D. Each has the same number of lines. Each field has different text (per line)
> 
> I need to combine the data - frequently - into a form that look like:
> 
> <i><tab><line i of fld A><tab><line i of fld B><tab><line i of fld C><tab><line i of fld D><cr>
> 
> For the number of lines in the set of fields. Currently I do this as follows:
> 
> put empty into vCombined
> put fld A into v1
> put fld B into v2
> put fld C into v3
> put fld D into v4
> repeat with i=1 to the number of lines in v1
>   put i &tab& line i of v1 &tab& line i of v2 &tab& line i of v3 &tab& line i of v4 into line i of vCombined
> end repeat
> 
> I put the field contents into variable before the loop to combine them as my understanding is variable access is faster than field access in a loop
> 
> My question to the Hivemind is: Is there a noticeably faster way to covert these field to the tab delimited structure as show above than the code above?
> 
> This current takes about 20 seconds for 2000 lines or about a second per 100 lines (very roughly, I was not using a timer in my code, just my wristwatch seconds in the IDE debugger between breakpoints)
> 
> Thank you for any pointers in advance,
> 
> Paul Dupuis
> Researchware
> 
> 
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> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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From brian at milby7.com  Fri Aug 19 18:25:48 2022
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2022 18:25:48 -0400
Subject: Livecode performance problem
In-Reply-To: <68DC59EA-3206-4A23-8BB3-D35ECDB86619@iotecdigital.com>
References: <c9167335-177e-87b1-7da7-b9a8b9028cab@researchware.com>
 <68DC59EA-3206-4A23-8BB3-D35ECDB86619@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CA+yhkRZT_jbbhOEafF+=EGku+SLk4GaG-mbmJuAza1hGO6k5kA@mail.gmail.com>

Based on what Bob said, here is my version of that handler:

on mouseUp
   local tA, tB, tC, tD, tAll, tStart, tEnd
   put fld "A" into tA
   put fld "B" into tB
   put fld "C" into tC
   put fld "D" into tD
   --
   put the milliseconds into tStart
   split tA by cr
   split tB by cr
   split tC by cr
   split tD by cr
   repeat with i=1 to the number of lines of the keys of tA
      put i & tab & tA[i] & tab & tB[i] & tab & tC[i] & tab & tD[i] & cr
after tAll
   end repeat
   delete the last char of tAll
   put the milliseconds into tEnd
   put (tEnd - tStart) & cr & tAll into fld "result"
end mouseUp

I used very short lines, but this way was 3/4ms; my initial method was
6/7ms; your original method was 15/16ms.

On Fri, Aug 19, 2022 at 6:09 PM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Off the top of my head:
>
> split v1 by tab
> split v2 by tab
> split v3 by tab
> split v4 by tab
>
> put the keys of v1 into tKeyList
> sort tKeyList ascending numeric
>
> repeat for each line tKey in tKeyList
>    put tKey & tab & v1 [tKey] & tab & v2 [tKey] & tab & v3 [tKey] & tab &
> v4 [tKey] & cr after tCombined
> end repeat
>
> Not sure if this will be faster, but every time you refer to a line of a
> string the engine has to parse out where that line is from the beginning.
> Parsing times will increase exponentially (is that the right term?) the
> more lines you are parsing in both the source strings AND the destination
> string.
>
> But arrays are indexed memory locations so the engine knows exactly where
> every bit of text is. And putting something after a string does not have to
> parse to find the end, the engine knows where that is in memory. It might
> be even faster though if you build an array as output and then use the
> combine command to convert it all at once to a string.
>
> I am assuming of course that splitting does not put lines of text in
> random order in the array. Arrays can be dicey that way.
>
> Bob S
>
>
>
> > On Aug 19, 2022, at 14:09 , Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > I have a set of fields, call them A, B, C, and D. Each has the same
> number of lines. Each field has different text (per line)
> >
> > I need to combine the data - frequently - into a form that look like:
> >
> > <i><tab><line i of fld A><tab><line i of fld B><tab><line i of fld
> C><tab><line i of fld D><cr>
> >
> > For the number of lines in the set of fields. Currently I do this as
> follows:
> >
> > put empty into vCombined
> > put fld A into v1
> > put fld B into v2
> > put fld C into v3
> > put fld D into v4
> > repeat with i=1 to the number of lines in v1
> >   put i &tab& line i of v1 &tab& line i of v2 &tab& line i of v3 &tab&
> line i of v4 into line i of vCombined
> > end repeat
> >
> > I put the field contents into variable before the loop to combine them
> as my understanding is variable access is faster than field access in a loop
> >
> > My question to the Hivemind is: Is there a noticeably faster way to
> covert these field to the tab delimited structure as show above than the
> code above?
> >
> > This current takes about 20 seconds for 2000 lines or about a second per
> 100 lines (very roughly, I was not using a timer in my code, just my
> wristwatch seconds in the IDE debugger between breakpoints)
> >
> > Thank you for any pointers in advance,
> >
> > Paul Dupuis
> > Researchware
> >
> >
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From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Fri Aug 19 18:32:37 2022
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2022 15:32:37 -0700
Subject: Livecode performance problem
In-Reply-To: <68DC59EA-3206-4A23-8BB3-D35ECDB86619@iotecdigital.com>
References: <c9167335-177e-87b1-7da7-b9a8b9028cab@researchware.com>
 <68DC59EA-3206-4A23-8BB3-D35ECDB86619@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <d6570ed6-b3eb-5433-d1de-4e44db14677f@sonic.net>

On 8/19/22 15:07, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
> Off the top of my head:
> 
> split v1 by tab
> split v2 by tab
> split v3 by tab
> split v4 by tab
> 
> put the keys of v1 into tKeyList
> sort tKeyList ascending numeric
> 
> repeat for each line tKey in tKeyList
>     put tKey & tab & v1 [tKey] & tab & v2 [tKey] & tab & v3 [tKey] & tab & v4 [tKey] & cr after tCombined
> end repeat
> 
> Not sure if this will be faster, but every time you refer to a line of a string the engine has to parse out where that line is from the beginning.

It is indeed faster. Here's what I came up with. I'm not sure why 2000 
lines of text in four fields should take that long, I came up with

original code: 320 ms
array version: 21 ms

    put empty into vCombined
    put fld "A" into v1
    put fld "B" into v2
    put fld "C" into v3
    put fld "D" into v4
    split v1 by cr
    split v2 by cr
    split v3 by cr
    split v4 by cr
    put 1 into i
    repeat for each element tLine in v1
       put i&tab&v1[i]&tab&v2[i]&tab&v3[i]&tab&v4[i]&tab&cr after vCombined
       add 1 to i
    end repeat



-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Aug 19 19:03:22 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2022 23:03:22 +0000
Subject: Livecode performance problem
In-Reply-To: <d6570ed6-b3eb-5433-d1de-4e44db14677f@sonic.net>
References: <c9167335-177e-87b1-7da7-b9a8b9028cab@researchware.com>
 <68DC59EA-3206-4A23-8BB3-D35ECDB86619@iotecdigital.com>
 <d6570ed6-b3eb-5433-d1de-4e44db14677f@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <A30F607B-EA45-496B-BA19-11F681D205BF@iotecdigital.com>

It's probably a lot of text. The engine has to start from the beginning of every string then scan through for every cr or lf or cr/lf or whatever counts as a line break, until if finds the nth one. The more lines, the longer the scan takes each time, and the more text per line the exponentially more time it takes. Multiply that by 4 times plus the combinination of all of them as the code progresses *4 for the output string and you have the makings of a mountain that keeps getting steeper the higher you go.

That is my understanding at least.

Bob S


On Aug 19, 2022, at 15:32 , Mark Wieder via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com<mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:

It is indeed faster. Here's what I came up with. I'm not sure why 2000 lines of text in four fields should take that long, I came up with


From alex at tweedly.net  Fri Aug 19 19:31:00 2022
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2022 00:31:00 +0100
Subject: Livecode performance problem
In-Reply-To: <d6570ed6-b3eb-5433-d1de-4e44db14677f@sonic.net>
References: <c9167335-177e-87b1-7da7-b9a8b9028cab@researchware.com>
 <68DC59EA-3206-4A23-8BB3-D35ECDB86619@iotecdigital.com>
 <d6570ed6-b3eb-5433-d1de-4e44db14677f@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <b0483cdb-05e4-a1ea-bd03-1cc71171ab27@tweedly.net>


On 19/08/2022 23:32, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:
>
> It is indeed faster. Here's what I came up with. I'm not sure why 2000 
> lines of text in four fields should take that long, I came up with
>
> original code: 320 ms
> array version: 21 ms
>
>    put empty into vCombined
>    put fld "A" into v1
>    put fld "B" into v2
>    put fld "C" into v3
>    put fld "D" into v4
>    split v1 by cr
>    split v2 by cr
>    split v3 by cr
>    split v4 by cr
>    put 1 into i
>    repeat for each element tLine in v1
>       put i&tab&v1[i]&tab&v2[i]&tab&v3[i]&tab&v4[i]&tab&cr after 
> vCombined
>       add 1 to i
>    end repeat

which is already quick enough that any further improvement is mainly 
academic.

But for the record:

"repeat for each line " is very efficient for a single variable, o you 
can avoid one of the four 'split's, and use the line variable to count 
your loop.

>    --   split v1 by cr
>    split v2 by cr
>    split v3 by cr
>    split v4 by cr
>    put 1 into i
>    repeat for each line tLine in v1
>       put i&tab& tLine &tab& v2[i] &tab& v3[i] &tab& v4[i] & cr after 
> vCombined
>       add 1 to i
>    end repeat
>
to trim about another 15% off the time (for my sample data, 24ms down to 
20ms.)

(and if you know that one of the four fields typically contains much 
more text (i.e. longer lines) than the others, you would choose it to 
not be split).

Alex.




From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Fri Aug 19 19:40:56 2022
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2022 16:40:56 -0700
Subject: Livecode performance problem
In-Reply-To: <b0483cdb-05e4-a1ea-bd03-1cc71171ab27@tweedly.net>
References: <c9167335-177e-87b1-7da7-b9a8b9028cab@researchware.com>
 <68DC59EA-3206-4A23-8BB3-D35ECDB86619@iotecdigital.com>
 <d6570ed6-b3eb-5433-d1de-4e44db14677f@sonic.net>
 <b0483cdb-05e4-a1ea-bd03-1cc71171ab27@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <3c565e25-2696-b1cb-2589-55c5df7db0d0@sonic.net>

On 8/19/22 16:31, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:

> to trim about another 15% off the time (for my sample data, 24ms down to 
> 20ms.)

Nice.
Note, of course, that we're all going on the assumption that all four 
fields contain the same number of lines.


-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com


From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Fri Aug 19 19:42:31 2022
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2022 16:42:31 -0700
Subject: Livecode performance problem
In-Reply-To: <A30F607B-EA45-496B-BA19-11F681D205BF@iotecdigital.com>
References: <c9167335-177e-87b1-7da7-b9a8b9028cab@researchware.com>
 <68DC59EA-3206-4A23-8BB3-D35ECDB86619@iotecdigital.com>
 <d6570ed6-b3eb-5433-d1de-4e44db14677f@sonic.net>
 <A30F607B-EA45-496B-BA19-11F681D205BF@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <0e4818fe-4eb3-7d92-b786-aaf55324d931@sonic.net>

On 8/19/22 16:03, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
> It's probably a lot of text. The engine has to start from the beginning of every string then scan through for every cr or lf or cr/lf or whatever counts as a line break, until if finds the nth one. The more lines, the longer the scan takes each time, and the more text per line the exponentially more time it takes. Multiply that by 4 times plus the combinination of all of them as the code progresses *4 for the output string and you have the makings of a mountain that keeps getting steeper the higher you go.

My tests were based on 2174 lines of text in each field.
Got nowhere near 20 seconds. Or even one.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com


From alex at tweedly.net  Fri Aug 19 19:46:54 2022
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2022 00:46:54 +0100
Subject: Livecode performance problem
In-Reply-To: <A30F607B-EA45-496B-BA19-11F681D205BF@iotecdigital.com>
References: <c9167335-177e-87b1-7da7-b9a8b9028cab@researchware.com>
 <68DC59EA-3206-4A23-8BB3-D35ECDB86619@iotecdigital.com>
 <d6570ed6-b3eb-5433-d1de-4e44db14677f@sonic.net>
 <A30F607B-EA45-496B-BA19-11F681D205BF@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <03b5bb40-b79a-87d2-3eeb-590fd13d5b63@tweedly.net>


On 20/08/2022 00:03, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
> It's probably a lot of text. The engine has to start from the beginning of every string then scan through for every cr or lf or cr/lf or whatever counts as a line break, until if finds the nth one. The more lines, the longer the scan takes each time, and the more text per line the exponentially more time it takes. Multiply that by 4 times plus the combinination of all of them as the code progresses *4 for the output string and you have the makings of a mountain that keeps getting steeper the higher you go.

Yes, for all the input strings. For the output string, it's just a "put 
... after ...", so there is no need to count or scan the output string; 
LC already keeps (effectively) a pointer to the end of a string, and 
optimizes the straightforward extension at the end of a string.

Alex.




From paul at researchware.com  Fri Aug 19 19:50:50 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2022 19:50:50 -0400
Subject: Livecode performance problem
In-Reply-To: <3c565e25-2696-b1cb-2589-55c5df7db0d0@sonic.net>
References: <c9167335-177e-87b1-7da7-b9a8b9028cab@researchware.com>
 <68DC59EA-3206-4A23-8BB3-D35ECDB86619@iotecdigital.com>
 <d6570ed6-b3eb-5433-d1de-4e44db14677f@sonic.net>
 <b0483cdb-05e4-a1ea-bd03-1cc71171ab27@tweedly.net>
 <3c565e25-2696-b1cb-2589-55c5df7db0d0@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <049a6def-606b-365a-46e7-5f06117b8e11@researchware.com>

On 8/19/2022 7:40 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:
> On 8/19/22 16:31, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:
>
>> to trim about another 15% off the time (for my sample data, 24ms down 
>> to 20ms.)
>
> Nice.
> Note, of course, that we're all going on the assumption that all four 
> fields contain the same number of lines.
>
>

Thank you all for the example of improving performance over my clunky code.

Yes, all the fields contain the same number of lines.

For strange legacy application reasons, when lines get added to the set 
of fields (a frequency action by users - sometimes adding hundreds of 
lines a day), the data has to be repackaged into this tab delimited 
structure in a single variable to run some procedures on.

So a user driven action of:

1) Add a line (or a few) to the fields
2) repackage data and run a few procedures
3) User repeats starting at step 1

Can become very slow as the number of lines in the fields gets large - 
as you all have noted!

Thank you all again!




From alex at tweedly.net  Fri Aug 19 19:53:34 2022
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2022 00:53:34 +0100
Subject: The use-livecode list.
Message-ID: <5cb8b3fc-7d7d-0abb-729e-008278097d19@tweedly.net>

I've had a pretty shitty day. A variety of things have happened, or not 
happened, that made it not one of the good days.

So I was not happy, and rather grumpy. (My apologies to Panos for being 
ungracious in an earlier post - it was meant to be a plea for 
completeness of the product in preference to more work-arounds - but it 
came across wrongly. Sorry, Panos).

And then, the use-list comes up with a nice, tight, well-defined problem 
to tackle - and now I can end my day on a puzzle-solving high note, 
rather than dragging myself off to bed on a downbeat.

Thanks again, use-list !!

Alex.




From paul at researchware.com  Fri Aug 19 20:14:19 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2022 20:14:19 -0400
Subject: The use-livecode list.
In-Reply-To: <5cb8b3fc-7d7d-0abb-729e-008278097d19@tweedly.net>
References: <5cb8b3fc-7d7d-0abb-729e-008278097d19@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <0b143678-234d-5a3e-ef2b-1940327537f5@researchware.com>

No, THANK YOU!


On 8/19/2022 7:53 PM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:
> I've had a pretty shitty day. A variety of things have happened, or 
> not happened, that made it not one of the good days.
>
> So I was not happy, and rather grumpy. (My apologies to Panos for 
> being ungracious in an earlier post - it was meant to be a plea for 
> completeness of the product in preference to more work-arounds - but 
> it came across wrongly. Sorry, Panos).
>
> And then, the use-list comes up with a nice, tight, well-defined 
> problem to tackle - and now I can end my day on a puzzle-solving high 
> note, rather than dragging myself off to bed on a downbeat.
>
> Thanks again, use-list !!
>
> Alex.
>
>
>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Aug 19 20:43:17 2022
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2022 19:43:17 -0500
Subject: The use-livecode list.
In-Reply-To: <5cb8b3fc-7d7d-0abb-729e-008278097d19@tweedly.net>
References: <5cb8b3fc-7d7d-0abb-729e-008278097d19@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <182b8b44088.27a5.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>

We did it just for you because we've all been there.

:)

--
Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
On August 19, 2022 6:54:47 PM Alex Tweedly via use-livecode 
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I've had a pretty shitty day. A variety of things have happened, or not
> happened, that made it not one of the good days.
>
> So I was not happy, and rather grumpy. (My apologies to Panos for being
> ungracious in an earlier post - it was meant to be a plea for
> completeness of the product in preference to more work-arounds - but it
> came across wrongly. Sorry, Panos).
>
> And then, the use-list comes up with a nice, tight, well-defined problem
> to tackle - and now I can end my day on a puzzle-solving high note,
> rather than dragging myself off to bed on a downbeat.
>
> Thanks again, use-list !!
>
> Alex.
>
>
>
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From kevin at livecode.com  Sat Aug 20 04:22:35 2022
From: kevin at livecode.com (Kevin Miller)
Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2022 09:22:35 +0100
Subject: A few issues with web apps
In-Reply-To: <3A71F07E-2984-4797-AA82-3F9B63999504@tweedly.net>
References: <CA+JfEq9ToE-BRTOP-d+6JpxM=+SN-SXrvevmRMWuWrjt3E75pQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <3A71F07E-2984-4797-AA82-3F9B63999504@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <A271A8CE-8A86-47B9-9314-F120A60647C8@livecode.com>

Don't worry the goal is for zero workarounds by the time we're ready to ship GM. These things are just there to keep you going in the mean time.

Kind regards,

Kevin

Kevin Miller ~ kevin at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
LiveCode: Develop Yourself

On 19/08/2022, 18:16, "use-livecode on behalf of Tweedly via use-livecode" <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com on behalf of use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:


    > On 19 Aug 2022, at 16:01, panagiotis m via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
    > 
    > Hello all,
    > 
    > BTW, I just wrote a lesson on how to scroll a LC text field on Web using
    > <do .. as javascript>:
    >> 
    Thank you. 
    But at the risk of sounding ungrateful - please don’t.
    Please just make basic functionality like resizing, scrolling, etc. Work properly and nicely out of the box.
    Alex.

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From dfe4 at cornell.edu  Sat Aug 20 13:45:38 2022
From: dfe4 at cornell.edu (David Epstein)
Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2022 13:45:38 -0400
Subject: Livecode performance problem
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1661011201.253146.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.1.1661011201.253146.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <04A45A17-EA75-4FC3-AA91-C32AD0BB2057@cornell.edu>

I didn’t text the speed, but why not

put fld A into x[1]
put fld B into x[2]
put fld C into x[3]
put fld D into x[4]
combine x by column
return x

> 
> I have a set of fields, call them A, B, C, and D. Each has the same 
> number of lines. Each field has different text (per line)
> 
> I need to combine the data - frequently - into a form that look like:
> 
> <i><tab><line i of fld A><tab><line i of fld B><tab><line i of fld 
> C><tab><line i of fld D><cr>



From alex at tweedly.net  Sat Aug 20 17:59:47 2022
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2022 22:59:47 +0100
Subject: Livecode performance problem
In-Reply-To: <04A45A17-EA75-4FC3-AA91-C32AD0BB2057@cornell.edu>
References: <mailman.1.1661011201.253146.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
 <04A45A17-EA75-4FC3-AA91-C32AD0BB2057@cornell.edu>
Message-ID: <556a05c7-a854-9826-7802-dde16e670739@tweedly.net>

I can't answer for anyone else, but for me - because I never thought 
about it :-)

Combine by column - never used it before, so never thought of it.

It's significantly faster, roughly 40% improvement over the previous best.

Note, the spec requires that each line begins with the line number, so 
you need to add something like:

>    local tmp
>    repeat with i = 1 to the number of lines in g1
>       put i &CR after tmp
>    end repeat
>    put tmp into x[1]
>
>    put g1 into x[2]
>    put g2 into x[3]
>    put g3 into x[4]
>    put g4 into x[5]
and finish off with

    combine x by column
    put cr after x

to fully match the earlier results.

Alex.

On 20/08/2022 18:45, David Epstein via use-livecode wrote:
> I didnt text the speed, but why not
>
> put fld A into x[1]
> put fld B into x[2]
> put fld C into x[3]
> put fld D into x[4]
> combine x by column
> return x
>
>> I have a set of fields, call them A, B, C, and D. Each has the same
>> number of lines. Each field has different text (per line)
>>
>> I need to combine the data - frequently - into a form that look like:
>>
>> <i><tab><line i of fld A><tab><line i of fld B><tab><line i of fld
>> C><tab><line i of fld D><cr>
>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Aug 20 18:54:30 2022
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2022 17:54:30 -0500
Subject: A few issues with web apps
In-Reply-To: <fbd7ddec-1816-301d-43e5-152b84e1f034@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <fbd7ddec-1816-301d-43e5-152b84e1f034@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <04917201-7c01-8edb-f72f-d4335a1f3a2c@hyperactivesw.com>

On 8/18/22 2:52 PM, I wrote:
> All in all, everything else works, which is really quite incredible.

When I accidentally started replying to Andreas privately instead of to the list (I should pay 
more attention, geez) he suggested others may want to see my test app. Thanks to Andreas for 
being so polite about it.

So here you go:

<http://www.hyperactivesw.com/testfiles/monkeys/monkeys.html>

On desktop browsers, everything works great. On mobile it works pretty well except for text 
entry and a minor display issue.

On mobile it isn't possible to drag-select text in editable fields. Typing is iffy as well, and 
depending on the (Android) keyboard you use, the cursor can be misaligned and/or key presses 
don't always insert entries. I didn't test on iOS.

I've added a simple behavior to all the scrolling fields and removed the ugly field scrollbar. 
It tracks the mouse movement and scrolls the field accordingly. That works on desktop but 
doesn't work on mobile. This matches the behavior of anything draggable: the slider widget 
button, the buttons in the Population example that use "grab", and the LC field scroller thumb.

On both desktop and mobile, text styling isn't working. Some of the text in the "What is this?" 
substack should be bold but displays as plain. On the other hand, the substack does display 
correctly layered over the mainstack. I had wondered if it would work, and it does.

I know this will all get fixed so I'm not worried. This is just an example of where we're at 
right now for anyone curious. Overall, web deployment is very impressive. I was surprised at 
how good it is even in an unfinished state.

BTW, the ideas behind this stack are not original. I first re-created them in MetaCard based on 
online discussions 20 years ago, and when I opened it recently in LC 10 the stack opened 
without error. Kudos to Mark Waddingham's attention to backward compatibility.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From paul at researchware.com  Sat Aug 20 21:14:46 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2022 21:14:46 -0400
Subject: Livecode performance problem
In-Reply-To: <556a05c7-a854-9826-7802-dde16e670739@tweedly.net>
References: <mailman.1.1661011201.253146.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
 <04A45A17-EA75-4FC3-AA91-C32AD0BB2057@cornell.edu>
 <556a05c7-a854-9826-7802-dde16e670739@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <5a8ff08e-86c7-2c36-c70e-706e31680360@researchware.com>

Thank you!

The prior solutions have dramatically reduced the time - the WHOLE 
analytics process in its entirety because of the slowness of my old code 
was taking HOURS (like 6-10) - and is now down to 30-35 minutes with the 
prior solutions. I can't wait to tr the combine by columns method to see 
how much more (40%! WOW!) it reduced the overall process time further!


On 8/20/2022 5:59 PM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:
> I can't answer for anyone else, but for me - because I never thought 
> about it :-)
>
> Combine by column - never used it before, so never thought of it.
>
> It's significantly faster, roughly 40% improvement over the previous 
> best.
>
> Note, the spec requires that each line begins with the line number, so 
> you need to add something like:
>
>>    local tmp
>>    repeat with i = 1 to the number of lines in g1
>>       put i &CR after tmp
>>    end repeat
>>    put tmp into x[1]
>>
>>    put g1 into x[2]
>>    put g2 into x[3]
>>    put g3 into x[4]
>>    put g4 into x[5]
> and finish off with
>
>    combine x by column
>    put cr after x
>
> to fully match the earlier results.
>
> Alex.
>
> On 20/08/2022 18:45, David Epstein via use-livecode wrote:
>> I didnt text the speed, but why not
>>
>> put fld A into x[1]
>> put fld B into x[2]
>> put fld C into x[3]
>> put fld D into x[4]
>> combine x by column
>> return x
>>
>>> I have a set of fields, call them A, B, C, and D. Each has the same
>>> number of lines. Each field has different text (per line)
>>>
>>> I need to combine the data - frequently - into a form that look like:
>>>
>>> <i><tab><line i of fld A><tab><line i of fld B><tab><line i of fld
>>> C><tab><line i of fld D><cr>
>>
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From dochawk at gmail.com  Sat Aug 20 21:43:04 2022
From: dochawk at gmail.com (doc hawk)
Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2022 18:43:04 -0700
Subject: Livecode performance problem
In-Reply-To: <c9167335-177e-87b1-7da7-b9a8b9028cab@researchware.com>
References: <c9167335-177e-87b1-7da7-b9a8b9028cab@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <8C1C8F20-658A-4D49-A456-1623F36FBF30@gmail.com>

Short version: inserting between is a much slower process than after, as the entire field/string/whatever from the post of insertion has to be moved or otherwise handled.




From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Sun Aug 21 08:45:12 2022
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2022 08:45:12 -0400
Subject: addIcon issue
Message-ID: <CADCoycNBi=9Rsv0mnXv16nghLi3MDYzHnOLs1WukZP__WFcmMQ@mail.gmail.com>

I have an svg widget that draws correctly, so I'm trying to add it to the
library, but addIcon does not seem to be working.
After calling addIcon, I try to search for the icon, but it does not appear
in the icon picker, and adding it by name does not work, either.
Here's the line:
get addIcon("test","m 13,21.59 -4.29,-4.3 -1.42,1.42 5,5 a 1,1 0 0 0 1.41,0
l 13,-13 -1.41,-1.42 z M 25,0 H 7 A 7,7 0 0 0 0,7 v 18 a 7,7 0 0 0 7,7 h 18
a 7,7 0 0 0 7,-7 V 7 A 7,7 0 0 0 25,0 Z m 5,25 a 5,5 0 0 1 -5,5 H 7 A 5,5 0
0 1 2,25 V 7 A 5,5 0 0 1 7,2 h 18 a 5,5 0 0 1 5,5 z",0)


-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."

From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Sun Aug 21 09:26:04 2022
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2022 09:26:04 -0400
Subject: powerbutton (megabundle) is FUN
Message-ID: <CADCoycMxtNLCjY6ttArTV11zkt_N2hYXUCv_V8OU10dcT20TJw@mail.gmail.com>

I bought the megabundle, unsure what to expect from the stuff that comes
with it. polylist/polygrid look like they are going to be great.
as a tmControls nerd, i'm spoiled for gret-looking buttons with more
options to customize them and get them to do all sorts of marvelous things.
i think i'm about to switch to powerbutton.
these have all the customization options and a few more to boot and they
respond faster, because they are widgets instead of groups.
this is an underrated widget.
-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."

From prothero at earthlearningsolutions.org  Sun Aug 21 11:08:15 2022
From: prothero at earthlearningsolutions.org (William Prothero)
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2022 08:08:15 -0700
Subject: A few issues with web apps
In-Reply-To: <04917201-7c01-8edb-f72f-d4335a1f3a2c@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <04917201-7c01-8edb-f72f-d4335a1f3a2c@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <973017A5-22AD-4D45-8D46-25983EF0C9DD@earthlearningsolutions.org>

Jacqueline,
Thanks for the great status report on Livecode web deployment. From my perspective, it's finally starting to look promising. The first thing I noticed was the speed of bringing up the first page. I'm looking forward to working with the web deployment when it gets far enough in its development.

Best,
Bill

William A. Prothero, PhD
Prof Emeritus, Dept of Earth Science
University of California, Santa Barbara

> On Aug 20, 2022, at 3:56 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> On 8/18/22 2:52 PM, I wrote:
>> All in all, everything else works, which is really quite incredible.
> 
> When I accidentally started replying to Andreas privately instead of to the list (I should pay more attention, geez) he suggested others may want to see my test app. Thanks to Andreas for being so polite about it.
> 
> So here you go:
> 
> <http://www.hyperactivesw.com/testfiles/monkeys/monkeys.html>
> 
> On desktop browsers, everything works great. On mobile it works pretty well except for text entry and a minor display issue.
> 
> On mobile it isn't possible to drag-select text in editable fields. Typing is iffy as well, and depending on the (Android) keyboard you use, the cursor can be misaligned and/or key presses don't always insert entries. I didn't test on iOS.
> 
> I've added a simple behavior to all the scrolling fields and removed the ugly field scrollbar. It tracks the mouse movement and scrolls the field accordingly. That works on desktop but doesn't work on mobile. This matches the behavior of anything draggable: the slider widget button, the buttons in the Population example that use "grab", and the LC field scroller thumb.
> 
> On both desktop and mobile, text styling isn't working. Some of the text in the "What is this?" substack should be bold but displays as plain. On the other hand, the substack does display correctly layered over the mainstack. I had wondered if it would work, and it does.
> 
> I know this will all get fixed so I'm not worried. This is just an example of where we're at right now for anyone curious. Overall, web deployment is very impressive. I was surprised at how good it is even in an unfinished state.
> 
> BTW, the ideas behind this stack are not original. I first re-created them in MetaCard based on online discussions 20 years ago, and when I opened it recently in LC 10 the stack opened without error. Kudos to Mark Waddingham's attention to backward compatibility.
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> 
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Aug 21 13:20:27 2022
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2022 12:20:27 -0500
Subject: addIcon issue
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycNBi=9Rsv0mnXv16nghLi3MDYzHnOLs1WukZP__WFcmMQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycNBi=9Rsv0mnXv16nghLi3MDYzHnOLs1WukZP__WFcmMQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <182c16b8b78.27a5.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>

I don't think you can add to the default icon family. The docs say that if 
you haven't specified a family then the icon goes into one named "custom". 
So see what you get when you run iconFamilies() and if "custom" is in there 
then set the family using setCurrentIconFamily("custom").

If you prefer, you can create your own family with its own name with 
addIconFamily. In any case you have to set the current family before you 
can use its icons.
--
Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
On August 21, 2022 7:48:13 AM Mike Kerner via use-livecode 
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I have an svg widget that draws correctly, so I'm trying to add it to the
> library, but addIcon does not seem to be working.
> After calling addIcon, I try to search for the icon, but it does not appear
> in the icon picker, and adding it by name does not work, either.
> Here's the line:
> get addIcon("test","m 13,21.59 -4.29,-4.3 -1.42,1.42 5,5 a 1,1 0 0 0 1.41,0
> l 13,-13 -1.41,-1.42 z M 25,0 H 7 A 7,7 0 0 0 0,7 v 18 a 7,7 0 0 0 7,7 h 18
> a 7,7 0 0 0 7,-7 V 7 A 7,7 0 0 0 25,0 Z m 5,25 a 5,5 0 0 1 -5,5 H 7 A 5,5 0
> 0 1 2,25 V 7 A 5,5 0 0 1 7,2 h 18 a 5,5 0 0 1 5,5 z",0)
>
>
> --
> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>   and did a little diving.
> And God said, "This is good."
> _______________________________________________
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From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Sun Aug 21 13:56:38 2022
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2022 13:56:38 -0400
Subject: addIcon issue
In-Reply-To: <182c16b8b78.27a5.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <CADCoycNBi=9Rsv0mnXv16nghLi3MDYzHnOLs1WukZP__WFcmMQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <182c16b8b78.27a5.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycOKsPLeKc5FzJbT+jDRsu2oGA4CsTKor=HC9EnHuXcYFQ@mail.gmail.com>

reading through the library, it appears that you are correct - you cannot
add to the default family.
changing the family using setCurrentIconFamily("custom") does cause the
picker to show those icons. if i want to select one for assignment to a
widget, is that the only way to do it? entering custom/test does not seem
to work. instead i have to set the family and then choose the icon

On Sun, Aug 21, 2022 at 1:21 PM J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I don't think you can add to the default icon family. The docs say that if
> you haven't specified a family then the icon goes into one named "custom".
> So see what you get when you run iconFamilies() and if "custom" is in
> there
> then set the family using setCurrentIconFamily("custom").
>
> If you prefer, you can create your own family with its own name with
> addIconFamily. In any case you have to set the current family before you
> can use its icons.
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> On August 21, 2022 7:48:13 AM Mike Kerner via use-livecode
> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > I have an svg widget that draws correctly, so I'm trying to add it to the
> > library, but addIcon does not seem to be working.
> > After calling addIcon, I try to search for the icon, but it does not
> appear
> > in the icon picker, and adding it by name does not work, either.
> > Here's the line:
> > get addIcon("test","m 13,21.59 -4.29,-4.3 -1.42,1.42 5,5 a 1,1 0 0 0
> 1.41,0
> > l 13,-13 -1.41,-1.42 z M 25,0 H 7 A 7,7 0 0 0 0,7 v 18 a 7,7 0 0 0 7,7 h
> 18
> > a 7,7 0 0 0 7,-7 V 7 A 7,7 0 0 0 25,0 Z m 5,25 a 5,5 0 0 1 -5,5 H 7 A
> 5,5 0
> > 0 1 2,25 V 7 A 5,5 0 0 1 7,2 h 18 a 5,5 0 0 1 5,5 z",0)
> >
> >
> > --
> > On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> > On the second day, God created the oceans.
> > On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
> >   and did a little diving.
> > And God said, "This is good."
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > subscription preferences:
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>
>
>
>
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-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."

From brian at milby7.com  Sun Aug 21 14:41:36 2022
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2022 14:41:36 -0400
Subject: addIcon issue
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycOKsPLeKc5FzJbT+jDRsu2oGA4CsTKor=HC9EnHuXcYFQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycOKsPLeKc5FzJbT+jDRsu2oGA4CsTKor=HC9EnHuXcYFQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EE6C8AE0-18F3-44FE-AE91-0CE47ACC2EA4@milby7.com>

Have you looked at SVG Icon Tool (Sample Stacks)?  It can help manage icon families.  You should be able to set the icon using just the short name.  The icon svg library will check the current library first and then cycle through all loaded families looking for a match.  If there is a collision then you don’t know which one will get used (probably the current family and then the rest in order of creation).

Here is a version with a large number of icons included:
https://milby.us/lc/SvgIconTool.zip

I worked on the family code and doubt much has changed since the source was closed.  Version number matches GitHub in the rc1 of 9.6.9 currently.

Thanks,
Brian

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 21, 2022, at 1:58 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> reading through the library, it appears that you are correct - you cannot
> add to the default family.
> changing the family using setCurrentIconFamily("custom") does cause the
> picker to show those icons. if i want to select one for assignment to a
> widget, is that the only way to do it? entering custom/test does not seem
> to work. instead i have to set the family and then choose the icon
> 
>> On Sun, Aug 21, 2022 at 1:21 PM J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I don't think you can add to the default icon family. The docs say that if
>> you haven't specified a family then the icon goes into one named "custom".
>> So see what you get when you run iconFamilies() and if "custom" is in
>> there
>> then set the family using setCurrentIconFamily("custom").
>> 
>> If you prefer, you can create your own family with its own name with
>> addIconFamily. In any case you have to set the current family before you
>> can use its icons.
>> --
>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>> On August 21, 2022 7:48:13 AM Mike Kerner via use-livecode
>> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I have an svg widget that draws correctly, so I'm trying to add it to the
>>> library, but addIcon does not seem to be working.
>>> After calling addIcon, I try to search for the icon, but it does not
>> appear
>>> in the icon picker, and adding it by name does not work, either.
>>> Here's the line:
>>> get addIcon("test","m 13,21.59 -4.29,-4.3 -1.42,1.42 5,5 a 1,1 0 0 0
>> 1.41,0
>>> l 13,-13 -1.41,-1.42 z M 25,0 H 7 A 7,7 0 0 0 0,7 v 18 a 7,7 0 0 0 7,7 h
>> 18
>>> a 7,7 0 0 0 7,-7 V 7 A 7,7 0 0 0 25,0 Z m 5,25 a 5,5 0 0 1 -5,5 H 7 A
>> 5,5 0
>>> 0 1 2,25 V 7 A 5,5 0 0 1 7,2 h 18 a 5,5 0 0 1 5,5 z",0)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
>>> On the second day, God created the oceans.
>>> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>>>  and did a little diving.
>>> And God said, "This is good."
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>> subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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> 
> 
> -- 
> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>   and did a little diving.
> And God said, "This is good."
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Sun Aug 21 14:58:16 2022
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2022 20:58:16 +0200
Subject: Livecode Builder -how t write to a file?
Message-ID: <9D894134-797F-4426-9FF1-9DEFAC1E1FC8@m-r-d.de>

Hi.

From time to time and when time allows i am trying to get used to with Livecode Builder. 
For debugging i would like my lcb script to write some debug code to a file, but i really do not see how this can be done.
I found the experimental com.livecode.file module and the operator 'the filecontents of file...', but unfortunately no script example.

Does anyone know, if and how i can write some data to an external file on hard disk in LCB?


Regards,
Matthias



From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Sun Aug 21 16:30:09 2022
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2022 16:30:09 -0400
Subject: addIcon issue
In-Reply-To: <EE6C8AE0-18F3-44FE-AE91-0CE47ACC2EA4@milby7.com>
References: <CADCoycOKsPLeKc5FzJbT+jDRsu2oGA4CsTKor=HC9EnHuXcYFQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <EE6C8AE0-18F3-44FE-AE91-0CE47ACC2EA4@milby7.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycPMZ04H2T-X=_1i8PY4s0Z+k7StYnmyUNOwGCkBRW_bKQ@mail.gmail.com>

thanks, brian, i'll have a look.
i was reading through the library and the filter code. ralph proposed
adding a family menu (or a means for either specifying the family or
showing all families) to the filter. i think that would be a good idea.

On Sun, Aug 21, 2022 at 2:42 PM Brian Milby via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Have you looked at SVG Icon Tool (Sample Stacks)?  It can help manage icon
> families.  You should be able to set the icon using just the short name.
> The icon svg library will check the current library first and then cycle
> through all loaded families looking for a match.  If there is a collision
> then you don’t know which one will get used (probably the current family
> and then the rest in order of creation).
>
> Here is a version with a large number of icons included:
> https://milby.us/lc/SvgIconTool.zip
>
> I worked on the family code and doubt much has changed since the source
> was closed.  Version number matches GitHub in the rc1 of 9.6.9 currently.
>
> Thanks,
> Brian
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Aug 21, 2022, at 1:58 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > reading through the library, it appears that you are correct - you
> cannot
> > add to the default family.
> > changing the family using setCurrentIconFamily("custom") does cause the
> > picker to show those icons. if i want to select one for assignment to a
> > widget, is that the only way to do it? entering custom/test does not seem
> > to work. instead i have to set the family and then choose the icon
> >
> >> On Sun, Aug 21, 2022 at 1:21 PM J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I don't think you can add to the default icon family. The docs say that
> if
> >> you haven't specified a family then the icon goes into one named
> "custom".
> >> So see what you get when you run iconFamilies() and if "custom" is in
> >> there
> >> then set the family using setCurrentIconFamily("custom").
> >>
> >> If you prefer, you can create your own family with its own name with
> >> addIconFamily. In any case you have to set the current family before you
> >> can use its icons.
> >> --
> >> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> >> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> >> On August 21, 2022 7:48:13 AM Mike Kerner via use-livecode
> >> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I have an svg widget that draws correctly, so I'm trying to add it to
> the
> >>> library, but addIcon does not seem to be working.
> >>> After calling addIcon, I try to search for the icon, but it does not
> >> appear
> >>> in the icon picker, and adding it by name does not work, either.
> >>> Here's the line:
> >>> get addIcon("test","m 13,21.59 -4.29,-4.3 -1.42,1.42 5,5 a 1,1 0 0 0
> >> 1.41,0
> >>> l 13,-13 -1.41,-1.42 z M 25,0 H 7 A 7,7 0 0 0 0,7 v 18 a 7,7 0 0 0 7,7
> h
> >> 18
> >>> a 7,7 0 0 0 7,-7 V 7 A 7,7 0 0 0 25,0 Z m 5,25 a 5,5 0 0 1 -5,5 H 7 A
> >> 5,5 0
> >>> 0 1 2,25 V 7 A 5,5 0 0 1 7,2 h 18 a 5,5 0 0 1 5,5 z",0)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> >>> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> >>> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
> >>>  and did a little diving.
> >>> And God said, "This is good."
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> use-livecode mailing list
> >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> >>> subscription preferences:
> >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> > On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
> >   and did a little diving.
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On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."

From marksmithhfx at gmail.com  Sun Aug 21 17:36:28 2022
From: marksmithhfx at gmail.com (Mark Smith)
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2022 22:36:28 +0100
Subject: Livecode performance problem
In-Reply-To: <049a6def-606b-365a-46e7-5f06117b8e11@researchware.com>
References: <c9167335-177e-87b1-7da7-b9a8b9028cab@researchware.com>
 <68DC59EA-3206-4A23-8BB3-D35ECDB86619@iotecdigital.com>
 <d6570ed6-b3eb-5433-d1de-4e44db14677f@sonic.net>
 <b0483cdb-05e4-a1ea-bd03-1cc71171ab27@tweedly.net>
 <3c565e25-2696-b1cb-2589-55c5df7db0d0@sonic.net>
 <049a6def-606b-365a-46e7-5f06117b8e11@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <AF0695DF-10DA-4865-9F61-F4EE329E6046@gmail.com>

Wow, what a great example. I decided to work through the various suggestions just so I could get a better grip on some of LC’s more sophisticated data handling commands. 

My original run using Paul’s example was 8 seconds (2000 lines per field, 1100 chars per line)
Applying Brian’s simple suggestions of using “after” instead of “into” cut that in half (4 seconds)
Splitting the lines and using an array drove the time down to 23 milliseconds. Amazing!
Between those 2 that's 8000 msec -> 23 msec or about  350 times faster.

I will definitely pay more attention to “split” in future.
Great discussion. 

Mark




> On 20 Aug 2022, at 12:50 am, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> On 8/19/2022 7:40 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:
>> On 8/19/22 16:31, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:
>> 
>>> to trim about another 15% off the time (for my sample data, 24ms down to 20ms.)
>> 
>> Nice.
>> Note, of course, that we're all going on the assumption that all four fields contain the same number of lines.
>> 
>> 
> 
> Thank you all for the example of improving performance over my clunky code.
> 
> Yes, all the fields contain the same number of lines.
> 
> For strange legacy application reasons, when lines get added to the set of fields (a frequency action by users - sometimes adding hundreds of lines a day), the data has to be repackaged into this tab delimited structure in a single variable to run some procedures on.
> 
> So a user driven action of:
> 
> 1) Add a line (or a few) to the fields
> 2) repackage data and run a few procedures
> 3) User repeats starting at step 1
> 
> Can become very slow as the number of lines in the fields gets large - as you all have noted!
> 
> Thank you all again!
> 
> 
> 
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From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Sun Aug 21 18:38:17 2022
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2022 00:38:17 +0200
Subject: Livecode Builder -how t write to a file?
In-Reply-To: <9D894134-797F-4426-9FF1-9DEFAC1E1FC8@m-r-d.de>
References: <9D894134-797F-4426-9FF1-9DEFAC1E1FC8@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <CANbzFDq1T--i11YcfgD8_97zbqw8xuDgTQXiWQx9_br7TyZLaQ@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Matthias,

I do not have the answer but a possible workaround.

For debugging purposes I'm using the post message.

In LCB add this handler:
private handler throwWidgetError(in pError as String) returns nothing
   post "catchWidgetError" with [pError]
end handler

Call it by using:
throwWidgetError("Something to log")

And catch it by adding this handler into the card script where you test
your widget:

*command* catchWidgetError pTheError
*   put* pTheError & cr after msg
*end* catchWidgetError

This might be verbose as the message box will take the focus, and the
widget will refresh, so logging in a file instead of the message box would
be a possibility.

*command* catchWidgetError pTheError
*   write *pTheError to file "xxx"
*end* catchWidgetError

On Sun, 21 Aug 2022 at 20:59, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi.
>
> From time to time and when time allows i am trying to get used to with
> Livecode Builder.
> For debugging i would like my lcb script to write some debug code to a
> file, but i really do not see how this can be done.
> I found the experimental com.livecode.file module and the operator 'the
> filecontents of file...', but unfortunately no script example.
>
> Does anyone know, if and how i can write some data to an external file on
> hard disk in LCB?
>
>
> Regards,
> Matthias
>
>
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sun Aug 21 21:28:36 2022
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2022 18:28:36 -0700
Subject: Livecode performance problem
In-Reply-To: <049a6def-606b-365a-46e7-5f06117b8e11@researchware.com>
References: <049a6def-606b-365a-46e7-5f06117b8e11@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <8bc119d6-1455-f6f0-000b-ba149b88b00a@fourthworld.com>

Paul Dupuis wrote:

 > For strange legacy application reasons, when lines get added to the
 > set of fields (a frequency action by users - sometimes adding hundreds
 > of lines a day), the data has to be repackaged into this tab delimited
 > structure in a single variable to run some procedures on.
 >
 > So a user driven action of:
 >
 > 1) Add a line (or a few) to the fields
 > 2) repackage data and run a few procedures
 > 3) User repeats starting at step 1
 >
 > Can become very slow as the number of lines in the fields gets large
 > - as you all have noted!


I'd just bite the bullet and replace those columnar fields with one 
delimited field.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com


From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Mon Aug 22 18:45:34 2022
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2022 00:45:34 +0200
Subject: Livecode Builder -how t write to a file?
In-Reply-To: <CANbzFDq1T--i11YcfgD8_97zbqw8xuDgTQXiWQx9_br7TyZLaQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9D894134-797F-4426-9FF1-9DEFAC1E1FC8@m-r-d.de>
 <CANbzFDq1T--i11YcfgD8_97zbqw8xuDgTQXiWQx9_br7TyZLaQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5E7A5A08-0B06-46D4-8A97-74F057C834D5@m-r-d.de>

Thanks Zryip,

i think that is a good workaround. ;)

Thanks.

Regards,
Matthias


> Am 22.08.2022 um 00:38 schrieb zryip theSlug via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Dear Matthias,
> 
> I do not have the answer but a possible workaround.
> 
> For debugging purposes I'm using the post message.
> 
> In LCB add this handler:
> private handler throwWidgetError(in pError as String) returns nothing
>  post "catchWidgetError" with [pError]
> end handler
> 
> Call it by using:
> throwWidgetError("Something to log")
> 
> And catch it by adding this handler into the card script where you test
> your widget:
> 
> *command* catchWidgetError pTheError
> *   put* pTheError & cr after msg
> *end* catchWidgetError
> 
> This might be verbose as the message box will take the focus, and the
> widget will refresh, so logging in a file instead of the message box would
> be a possibility.
> 
> *command* catchWidgetError pTheError
> *   write *pTheError to file "xxx"
> *end* catchWidgetError
> 
> On Sun, 21 Aug 2022 at 20:59, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hi.
>> 
>> From time to time and when time allows i am trying to get used to with
>> Livecode Builder.
>> For debugging i would like my lcb script to write some debug code to a
>> file, but i really do not see how this can be done.
>> I found the experimental com.livecode.file module and the operator 'the
>> filecontents of file...', but unfortunately no script example.
>> 
>> Does anyone know, if and how i can write some data to an external file on
>> hard disk in LCB?
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Matthias
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
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>> 
> 
> 
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From francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr  Tue Aug 23 10:31:46 2022
From: francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr (francois.chaplais)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2022 16:31:46 +0200
Subject: case sensitivity of the keys in an associative array
Message-ID: <BB43774A-562D-4A1F-B1E8-AE153F3D6B1C@mines-paristech.fr>

Dear list

From my current work on a LiveCode project, it seems that the keys of an associative array are not case sensitive.

For instance, I may define 
theArray[« Ddt »]

If I define now  
theArray[« ddt »]

this entry replaces the previous one (forgive apple mail which replaces my double quotes by french double quotes)

Is this behavior confirmed?

Best regards
François

From alex at tweedly.net  Tue Aug 23 10:45:22 2022
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2022 15:45:22 +0100
Subject: case sensitivity of the keys in an associative array
In-Reply-To: <BB43774A-562D-4A1F-B1E8-AE153F3D6B1C@mines-paristech.fr>
References: <BB43774A-562D-4A1F-B1E8-AE153F3D6B1C@mines-paristech.fr>
Message-ID: <ff5dc1ae-82ac-46aa-23cd-ddb51b9aa8ae@tweedly.net>

Not quite.

It is dependent on the value of "casesensitive".

If you do

set the casesensitve to true

then the keys are different (i.e. Ddt  would NOT replace the existing 
value for ddt)

but if it is false (which it would be by default) thne DDt and ddt are 
teh same.

[Only tested on 10.0.0 DP4 - but I think that's how it's always been]

Alex.

> on mouseup
>    local tA
>    put 1 into tA["a"]
>    put "1" && the keys of tA &CR after msg
>    set the casesensitive to true
>    put 2 into tA["A"]
>    put "2" && tA["a"] && the keys of tA &CR after msg
> end mouseup

On 23/08/2022 15:31, francois.chaplais via use-livecode wrote:
> Dear list
>
>  From my current work on a LiveCode project, it seems that the keys of an associative array are not case sensitive.
>
> For instance, I may define
> theArray[ Ddt ]
>
> If I define now
> theArray[ ddt ]
>
> this entry replaces the previous one (forgive apple mail which replaces my double quotes by french double quotes)
>
> Is this behavior confirmed?
>
> Best regards
> Franois
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From klaus at major-k.de  Tue Aug 23 10:46:46 2022
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2022 16:46:46 +0200
Subject: case sensitivity of the keys in an associative array
In-Reply-To: <BB43774A-562D-4A1F-B1E8-AE153F3D6B1C@mines-paristech.fr>
References: <BB43774A-562D-4A1F-B1E8-AE153F3D6B1C@mines-paristech.fr>
Message-ID: <D0F58D40-EEC4-471A-9380-04B44F9FD460@major-k.de>

Bonjour François,

> Am 23.08.2022 um 16:31 schrieb francois.chaplais via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Dear list
> 
> From my current work on a LiveCode project, it seems that the keys of an associative array are not case sensitive.
> 
> For instance, I may define 
> theArray[« Ddt »]
> 
> If I define now  
> theArray[« ddt »]
> 
> this entry replaces the previous one (forgive apple mail which replaces my double quotes by french double quotes)
> 
> Is this behavior confirmed?

yes, taht is correct bahvior!

But you can force case sensitivity in LC:
...
set the casesensitive to TRUE
answer theArray[« Ddt »]
## -> NADA!

answer theArray[« ddt »]
## Will do what you want.
...

> Best regards
> François

Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
https://www.major-k.de
https://www.major-k.de/bass
klaus at major-k.de



From francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr  Tue Aug 23 11:00:35 2022
From: francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr (francois.chaplais)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2022 17:00:35 +0200
Subject: case sensitivity of the keys in an associative array
In-Reply-To: <D0F58D40-EEC4-471A-9380-04B44F9FD460@major-k.de>
References: <BB43774A-562D-4A1F-B1E8-AE153F3D6B1C@mines-paristech.fr>
 <D0F58D40-EEC4-471A-9380-04B44F9FD460@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <897B0044-96B7-40EF-8BC9-8A7E11BE5DAD@mines-paristech.fr>

Thanks to you all!

This list is a treasury.

Chers,
François

> Le 23 août 2022 à 16:46, Klaus major-k via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> a écrit :
> 
> Bonjour François,
> 
>> Am 23.08.2022 um 16:31 schrieb francois.chaplais via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>> 
>> Dear list
>> 
>> From my current work on a LiveCode project, it seems that the keys of an associative array are not case sensitive.
>> 
>> For instance, I may define 
>> theArray[« Ddt »]
>> 
>> If I define now  
>> theArray[« ddt »]
>> 
>> this entry replaces the previous one (forgive apple mail which replaces my double quotes by french double quotes)
>> 
>> Is this behavior confirmed?
> 
> yes, taht is correct bahvior!
> 
> But you can force case sensitivity in LC:
> ...
> set the casesensitive to TRUE
> answer theArray[« Ddt »]
> ## -> NADA!
> 
> answer theArray[« ddt »]
> ## Will do what you want.
> ...
> 
>> Best regards
>> François
> 
> Best
> 
> Klaus
> 
> --
> Klaus Major
> https://www.major-k.de
> https://www.major-k.de/bass
> klaus at major-k.de
> 
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From brian at milby7.com  Wed Aug 24 23:22:25 2022
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2022 23:22:25 -0400
Subject: Svg Icon Tool
Message-ID: <CA+yhkRZT7MyKJbDmF4F=D-ubY86P8OA4t1bZ3bsT=8UCVsCb8A@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings list!

A few years ago I published a tool that allowed easy creation of the Icon
Families that I had been working on to integrate into the IDE.  (The code
had been started, but users had no way to leverage the planned capability
at the time.)  At that time I simply posted it to Sample Stacks and a copy
on my web server with more icons.

I had been wanting to get it onto GitHub for quite some time, but never got
around to it.  In another thread I mentioned the tool and Mike asked if it
was available on GitHub.  That was just the sort of thing I needed to get
it posted.  (Thanks Mike!)

https://github.com/bwmilby/SvgIconTool

The most significant change that I've made with this version is that it
will keep the icon families and prefs stored as separate files instead of
inside the stack.  This will make things much easier since plugins start as
a palette and you have to toplevel it to save (which is no longer
necessary).  If you use the previous version, you only really need to worry
about any custom families that you imported.  All of the ones that I
provided earlier are available in the repository and can be loaded in bulk
by dragging them onto the library card.

I welcome feedback and bug reports on the GitHub repository.

Thanks and have a blessed day!
Brian Milby

From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Thu Aug 25 07:06:31 2022
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 13:06:31 +0200
Subject: Svg Icon Tool
In-Reply-To: <CA+yhkRZT7MyKJbDmF4F=D-ubY86P8OA4t1bZ3bsT=8UCVsCb8A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+yhkRZT7MyKJbDmF4F=D-ubY86P8OA4t1bZ3bsT=8UCVsCb8A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <11ACB0FB-09A5-454C-836E-0B6CB2DAC0F7@m-r-d.de>

Thank you very much for this great tool.

Maybe you add some information to the readme.md what files/folders from the zip have to be copied to the plugins folder.

Regards,
Matthias


> Am 25.08.2022 um 05:22 schrieb Brian Milby via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Greetings list!
> 
> A few years ago I published a tool that allowed easy creation of the Icon
> Families that I had been working on to integrate into the IDE.  (The code
> had been started, but users had no way to leverage the planned capability
> at the time.)  At that time I simply posted it to Sample Stacks and a copy
> on my web server with more icons.
> 
> I had been wanting to get it onto GitHub for quite some time, but never got
> around to it.  In another thread I mentioned the tool and Mike asked if it
> was available on GitHub.  That was just the sort of thing I needed to get
> it posted.  (Thanks Mike!)
> 
> https://github.com/bwmilby/SvgIconTool
> 
> The most significant change that I've made with this version is that it
> will keep the icon families and prefs stored as separate files instead of
> inside the stack.  This will make things much easier since plugins start as
> a palette and you have to toplevel it to save (which is no longer
> necessary).  If you use the previous version, you only really need to worry
> about any custom families that you imported.  All of the ones that I
> provided earlier are available in the repository and can be loaded in bulk
> by dragging them onto the library card.
> 
> I welcome feedback and bug reports on the GitHub repository.
> 
> Thanks and have a blessed day!
> Brian Milby
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode



From brian at milby7.com  Thu Aug 25 07:36:42 2022
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 07:36:42 -0400
Subject: Svg Icon Tool
In-Reply-To: <11ACB0FB-09A5-454C-836E-0B6CB2DAC0F7@m-r-d.de>
References: <11ACB0FB-09A5-454C-836E-0B6CB2DAC0F7@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <F9C11183-28C6-4D98-9051-F07201A60768@milby7.com>

You are welcome!

Good idea.  Just one file needs to be copied (SvgIconTool.livecode) to install.  If you ran it once and imported families, then you can copy or move the milby.us folder to retain the settings (I actually link that folder so I can run as a plug-in or from the repo and use the same settings.)

Thanks,
Brian

> On Aug 25, 2022, at 7:07 AM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Thank you very much for this great tool.
> 
> Maybe you add some information to the readme.md what files/folders from the zip have to be copied to the plugins folder.
> 
> Regards,
> Matthias
> 
> 
>> Am 25.08.2022 um 05:22 schrieb Brian Milby via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>> 
>> Greetings list!
>> 
>> A few years ago I published a tool that allowed easy creation of the Icon
>> Families that I had been working on to integrate into the IDE.  (The code
>> had been started, but users had no way to leverage the planned capability
>> at the time.)  At that time I simply posted it to Sample Stacks and a copy
>> on my web server with more icons.
>> 
>> I had been wanting to get it onto GitHub for quite some time, but never got
>> around to it.  In another thread I mentioned the tool and Mike asked if it
>> was available on GitHub.  That was just the sort of thing I needed to get
>> it posted.  (Thanks Mike!)
>> 
>> https://github.com/bwmilby/SvgIconTool
>> 
>> The most significant change that I've made with this version is that it
>> will keep the icon families and prefs stored as separate files instead of
>> inside the stack.  This will make things much easier since plugins start as
>> a palette and you have to toplevel it to save (which is no longer
>> necessary).  If you use the previous version, you only really need to worry
>> about any custom families that you imported.  All of the ones that I
>> provided earlier are available in the repository and can be loaded in bulk
>> by dragging them onto the library card.
>> 
>> I welcome feedback and bug reports on the GitHub repository.
>> 
>> Thanks and have a blessed day!
>> Brian Milby
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> 
> 
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From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Thu Aug 25 09:16:05 2022
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 09:16:05 -0400
Subject: Svg Icon Tool
In-Reply-To: <F9C11183-28C6-4D98-9051-F07201A60768@milby7.com>
References: <11ACB0FB-09A5-454C-836E-0B6CB2DAC0F7@m-r-d.de>
 <F9C11183-28C6-4D98-9051-F07201A60768@milby7.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycNWPrGx2HjRKf+-QT-KofGS=Y5Lhf9d1YeNWg_W-wTO1A@mail.gmail.com>

Hey, man, if it's that easy to get you to do something, then
* Make the tree widget better
* Make the NavBar better
Boom. Hero me.

On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 7:37 AM Brian Milby via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> You are welcome!
>
> Good idea.  Just one file needs to be copied (SvgIconTool.livecode) to
> install.  If you ran it once and imported families, then you can copy or
> move the milby.us folder to retain the settings (I actually link that
> folder so I can run as a plug-in or from the repo and use the same
> settings.)
>
> Thanks,
> Brian
>
> > On Aug 25, 2022, at 7:07 AM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Thank you very much for this great tool.
> >
> > Maybe you add some information to the readme.md what files/folders from
> the zip have to be copied to the plugins folder.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Matthias
> >
> >
> >> Am 25.08.2022 um 05:22 schrieb Brian Milby via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> >>
> >> Greetings list!
> >>
> >> A few years ago I published a tool that allowed easy creation of the
> Icon
> >> Families that I had been working on to integrate into the IDE.  (The
> code
> >> had been started, but users had no way to leverage the planned
> capability
> >> at the time.)  At that time I simply posted it to Sample Stacks and a
> copy
> >> on my web server with more icons.
> >>
> >> I had been wanting to get it onto GitHub for quite some time, but never
> got
> >> around to it.  In another thread I mentioned the tool and Mike asked if
> it
> >> was available on GitHub.  That was just the sort of thing I needed to
> get
> >> it posted.  (Thanks Mike!)
> >>
> >> https://github.com/bwmilby/SvgIconTool
> >>
> >> The most significant change that I've made with this version is that it
> >> will keep the icon families and prefs stored as separate files instead
> of
> >> inside the stack.  This will make things much easier since plugins
> start as
> >> a palette and you have to toplevel it to save (which is no longer
> >> necessary).  If you use the previous version, you only really need to
> worry
> >> about any custom families that you imported.  All of the ones that I
> >> provided earlier are available in the repository and can be loaded in
> bulk
> >> by dragging them onto the library card.
> >>
> >> I welcome feedback and bug reports on the GitHub repository.
> >>
> >> Thanks and have a blessed day!
> >> Brian Milby
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> use-livecode mailing list
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
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> >
> >
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-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."

From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Thu Aug 25 09:19:05 2022
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 09:19:05 -0400
Subject: Svg Icon Tool
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycNWPrGx2HjRKf+-QT-KofGS=Y5Lhf9d1YeNWg_W-wTO1A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <11ACB0FB-09A5-454C-836E-0B6CB2DAC0F7@m-r-d.de>
 <F9C11183-28C6-4D98-9051-F07201A60768@milby7.com>
 <CADCoycNWPrGx2HjRKf+-QT-KofGS=Y5Lhf9d1YeNWg_W-wTO1A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycMkUsjugLwfxMmJRdFg8tps=Af=SdL8=agSqxRM2BHhmg@mail.gmail.com>

Although, as long as we're having this discussion, the navBar is higher
priority, so hit that, first.

On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 9:16 AM Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com>
wrote:

> Hey, man, if it's that easy to get you to do something, then
> * Make the tree widget better
> * Make the NavBar better
> Boom. Hero me.
>
> On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 7:37 AM Brian Milby via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> You are welcome!
>>
>> Good idea.  Just one file needs to be copied (SvgIconTool.livecode) to
>> install.  If you ran it once and imported families, then you can copy or
>> move the milby.us folder to retain the settings (I actually link that
>> folder so I can run as a plug-in or from the repo and use the same
>> settings.)
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Brian
>>
>> > On Aug 25, 2022, at 7:07 AM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Thank you very much for this great tool.
>> >
>> > Maybe you add some information to the readme.md what files/folders from
>> the zip have to be copied to the plugins folder.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Matthias
>> >
>> >
>> >> Am 25.08.2022 um 05:22 schrieb Brian Milby via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>> >>
>> >> Greetings list!
>> >>
>> >> A few years ago I published a tool that allowed easy creation of the
>> Icon
>> >> Families that I had been working on to integrate into the IDE.  (The
>> code
>> >> had been started, but users had no way to leverage the planned
>> capability
>> >> at the time.)  At that time I simply posted it to Sample Stacks and a
>> copy
>> >> on my web server with more icons.
>> >>
>> >> I had been wanting to get it onto GitHub for quite some time, but
>> never got
>> >> around to it.  In another thread I mentioned the tool and Mike asked
>> if it
>> >> was available on GitHub.  That was just the sort of thing I needed to
>> get
>> >> it posted.  (Thanks Mike!)
>> >>
>> >> https://github.com/bwmilby/SvgIconTool
>> >>
>> >> The most significant change that I've made with this version is that it
>> >> will keep the icon families and prefs stored as separate files instead
>> of
>> >> inside the stack.  This will make things much easier since plugins
>> start as
>> >> a palette and you have to toplevel it to save (which is no longer
>> >> necessary).  If you use the previous version, you only really need to
>> worry
>> >> about any custom families that you imported.  All of the ones that I
>> >> provided earlier are available in the repository and can be loaded in
>> bulk
>> >> by dragging them onto the library card.
>> >>
>> >> I welcome feedback and bug reports on the GitHub repository.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks and have a blessed day!
>> >> Brian Milby
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> use-livecode mailing list
>> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>> >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> >
>> >
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>
>
> --
> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>    and did a little diving.
> And God said, "This is good."
>


-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."

From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Thu Aug 25 10:21:00 2022
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 10:21:00 -0400
Subject: Sorting [was: Polygrid sorting]
In-Reply-To: <97843037-9ab0-804c-640c-13dc5599bcbf@researchware.com>
References: <99ac10ee-60a1-ab16-f47e-72a709af317e@tweedly.net>
 <97843037-9ab0-804c-640c-13dc5599bcbf@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycN1kwPJOzSvoLD8zFju875DS64xZxV9vQkxBqq8dfFmLQ@mail.gmail.com>

it will probably be faster and more flexible to have your database do your
soriting for you, though.

On Mon, Aug 15, 2022 at 7:47 PM Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Perhaps some expansion of the column "pgContentTypeofColumn" property?
> The current possible values are:
> text|svg-lcname|imagedata|imagefile|color|boolean|autoincrement
> Allowing the addition of 'numeric' and 'datetime' would at least allow a
> mapping to sorts although sort support 'international' (perhaps should
> be the default for a polygrid column of type "text" and "binary". I am
> also not sure how svg-iconname, imagedata, imagefile, and color should
> sort. Perhaps svg-iconname should sort as "text". Bolean can sort as
> "text" since ascending puts "false" first and descending puts "true" first.
>
>
> On 8/15/2022 7:25 PM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:
> > So it occurred to me, while playing with sorting by columns, that it
> > might be nice to have an additional "sortType" available.
> >
> > I'd like to be able to say
> >
> >  - if all the 'things' being sorted on are numbers, then sort numeric,
> > otherwise sort alphabetical.
> >
> > Would that be a reasonable enhancement request ?
> >
> > Would "natural" be a reasonable suggested name ?
> >
> > Alex.
> >
> >
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> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
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-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."

From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Aug 25 11:02:39 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 15:02:39 +0000
Subject: Sorting [was: Polygrid sorting]
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycN1kwPJOzSvoLD8zFju875DS64xZxV9vQkxBqq8dfFmLQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <99ac10ee-60a1-ab16-f47e-72a709af317e@tweedly.net>
 <97843037-9ab0-804c-640c-13dc5599bcbf@researchware.com>
 <CADCoycN1kwPJOzSvoLD8zFju875DS64xZxV9vQkxBqq8dfFmLQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2B3CD906-B4C8-4390-BF55-54288FD6D907@iotecdigital.com>

+1 if the source is a dabs, sort during query.

Bob S


On Aug 25, 2022, at 07:21 , Mike Kerner via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com<mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:

it will probably be faster and more flexible to have your database do your
soriting for you, though.

On Mon, Aug 15, 2022 at 7:47 PM Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com<mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:

Perhaps some expansion of the column "pgContentTypeofColumn" property?
The current possible values are:
text|svg-lcname|imagedata|imagefile|color|boolean|autoincrement
Allowing the addition of 'numeric' and 'datetime' would at least allow a
mapping to sorts although sort support 'international' (perhaps should
be the default for a polygrid column of type "text" and "binary". I am
also not sure how svg-iconname, imagedata, imagefile, and color should
sort. Perhaps svg-iconname should sort as "text". Bolean can sort as
"text" since ascending puts "false" first and descending puts "true" first.


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Aug 25 11:17:44 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 15:17:44 +0000
Subject: Sorting [was: Polygrid sorting]
In-Reply-To: <2B3CD906-B4C8-4390-BF55-54288FD6D907@iotecdigital.com>
References: <99ac10ee-60a1-ab16-f47e-72a709af317e@tweedly.net>
 <97843037-9ab0-804c-640c-13dc5599bcbf@researchware.com>
 <CADCoycN1kwPJOzSvoLD8zFju875DS64xZxV9vQkxBqq8dfFmLQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <2B3CD906-B4C8-4390-BF55-54288FD6D907@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <4CA40921-F84A-48BA-AF8D-29E2D4DDDE38@iotecdigital.com>

Not sure how that happened. If the source is a DATABASE...

On Aug 25, 2022, at 08:02 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com<mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:

+1 if the source is a dabs, sort during query.

Bob S


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Aug 25 11:25:25 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 15:25:25 +0000
Subject: BN Guides
Message-ID: <2B813B89-5BA5-4C48-8B36-35BBE9344B07@iotecdigital.com>

Who wrote BN Guides? Very cool, but there is a conflict with Navigator. When I double-click an object in Navigator to open it's script, I get t he BNGuides script instead. 

Bob S



From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Thu Aug 25 11:33:59 2022
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 17:33:59 +0200
Subject: BN Guides
In-Reply-To: <2B813B89-5BA5-4C48-8B36-35BBE9344B07@iotecdigital.com>
References: <2B813B89-5BA5-4C48-8B36-35BBE9344B07@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <1756B864-8B98-407C-B48F-587D16BF059C@m-r-d.de>

Bernd Niggemann wrote it.

> Am 25.08.2022 um 17:25 schrieb Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Who wrote BN Guides? Very cool, but there is a conflict with Navigator. When I double-click an object in Navigator to open it's script, I get t he BNGuides script instead. 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
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From paul at researchware.com  Thu Aug 25 11:38:15 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 11:38:15 -0400
Subject: Sorting [was: Polygrid sorting]
In-Reply-To: <4CA40921-F84A-48BA-AF8D-29E2D4DDDE38@iotecdigital.com>
References: <99ac10ee-60a1-ab16-f47e-72a709af317e@tweedly.net>
 <97843037-9ab0-804c-640c-13dc5599bcbf@researchware.com>
 <CADCoycN1kwPJOzSvoLD8zFju875DS64xZxV9vQkxBqq8dfFmLQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <2B3CD906-B4C8-4390-BF55-54288FD6D907@iotecdigital.com>
 <4CA40921-F84A-48BA-AF8D-29E2D4DDDE38@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <5457f16e-c91e-5c6b-6922-1993272670fe@researchware.com>

So what if you use the column headers on a PolyGrid (or whatever) to 
give the user a UI for sorting by column (adding, or not, sort arrows to 
the header labels).

Is it still more efficient to re-query the database with the new, user 
chosen, sort order and repopulate the PolyGrid?

Or more efficient to just resort the data already populated into the 
grid in the desired order the user has chosen? I suspect this later is 
the more efficient case unless you are sure you have a fast network and 
server with low latency and no competition for bandwidth.

As always, people's use-cases for these widgets vary widely. That is why 
the more versatile a widget is the often (but not always) the better it is.


On 8/25/2022 11:17 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
> Not sure how that happened. If the source is a DATABASE...
>
> On Aug 25, 2022, at 08:02 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com<mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
>
> +1 if the source is a dabs, sort during query.
>
> Bob S
>
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From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Thu Aug 25 11:45:42 2022
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 17:45:42 +0200
Subject: BN Guides
In-Reply-To: <1756B864-8B98-407C-B48F-587D16BF059C@m-r-d.de>
References: <2B813B89-5BA5-4C48-8B36-35BBE9344B07@iotecdigital.com>
 <1756B864-8B98-407C-B48F-587D16BF059C@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <8D0EEE28-0269-4D46-9F5F-0FB7979F29B1@m-r-d.de>

Forgot to place the link to the forum where he announced it.

https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=31920

Matthias

> Am 25.08.2022 um 17:33 schrieb matthias rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Bernd Niggemann wrote it.
> 
>> Am 25.08.2022 um 17:25 schrieb Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>> 
>> Who wrote BN Guides? Very cool, but there is a conflict with Navigator. When I double-click an object in Navigator to open it's script, I get t he BNGuides script instead. 
>> 
>> Bob S
>> 
>> 
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From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Thu Aug 25 11:57:35 2022
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 11:57:35 -0400
Subject: Sorting [was: Polygrid sorting]
In-Reply-To: <5457f16e-c91e-5c6b-6922-1993272670fe@researchware.com>
References: <99ac10ee-60a1-ab16-f47e-72a709af317e@tweedly.net>
 <97843037-9ab0-804c-640c-13dc5599bcbf@researchware.com>
 <CADCoycN1kwPJOzSvoLD8zFju875DS64xZxV9vQkxBqq8dfFmLQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <2B3CD906-B4C8-4390-BF55-54288FD6D907@iotecdigital.com>
 <4CA40921-F84A-48BA-AF8D-29E2D4DDDE38@iotecdigital.com>
 <5457f16e-c91e-5c6b-6922-1993272670fe@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycNO2d+qboijhmXPeG3okYgTMB_Fi5aLnPuvO7cp1EV-jA@mail.gmail.com>

oh, i love this topic. this onion is so, so thick.
since you are throwing in the curveball of on-demand column sorting, i have
several suggestions (and these are just my suggestions):
the obvious one is to use one of the bajillion ways that LC can sort,
right? grab the data (if you don't already have the data in a container
that you're using to populate the widget), sort it, put it back
the less obvious is to do what i end up doing in many of my apps (because
everything i write, now, is mobile), and that is have a local sqlite or
mysql db. keep all the data that you retrieve from the server in there, and
use the local copy as the data source. i do that because i can't guarantee
network connectivity, but i want my apps to run, anyway. in that case, my
sorting is still done in my db - my local cache. plus, if my app exits,
crashes, loses the focus, device reboots, etc., i want it to come back in
exactly the state it was in when it left, which is something that's easy to
do with a local db.
then there's using the local command line, because every OS has a sort
routine you can call.

From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Aug 25 12:15:29 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 16:15:29 +0000
Subject: BN Guides
In-Reply-To: <8D0EEE28-0269-4D46-9F5F-0FB7979F29B1@m-r-d.de>
References: <2B813B89-5BA5-4C48-8B36-35BBE9344B07@iotecdigital.com>
 <1756B864-8B98-407C-B48F-587D16BF059C@m-r-d.de>
 <8D0EEE28-0269-4D46-9F5F-0FB7979F29B1@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <87B52679-F392-4074-A923-2A8BB8D07776@iotecdigital.com>

Unfortunately I am unable to login to the forums (again) as the saved password I have for it no longer works. Also, if I ask for the activation link to be resent, both emails I would have used along with the only user name I use for everything (slylabs13), results in Account Not Found. Submitting a password reset on either of the two emails never sends a password reset email. Trying to register from scratch with slylabs13 as the user name generates an error that the user name is already in use!

I am then advised to contact the administrator, but there is no link I can find on the forums page for an administrator.

So far, I am unusually calm. Normally I'd be cursing and swearing by now. :-)

Bob S


On Aug 25, 2022, at 08:45 , matthias rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com<mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:

Forgot to place the link to the forum where he announced it.

https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=31920

Matthias


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Aug 25 12:17:30 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 16:17:30 +0000
Subject: BN Guides
In-Reply-To: <87B52679-F392-4074-A923-2A8BB8D07776@iotecdigital.com>
References: <2B813B89-5BA5-4C48-8B36-35BBE9344B07@iotecdigital.com>
 <1756B864-8B98-407C-B48F-587D16BF059C@m-r-d.de>
 <8D0EEE28-0269-4D46-9F5F-0FB7979F29B1@m-r-d.de>
 <87B52679-F392-4074-A923-2A8BB8D07776@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <BC5638D1-4B3D-4162-ACE3-A0DDC5BCE103@iotecdigital.com>

I found the link to the Board Administrator. The board administrator link has been disabled. LOL!

Bob S


On Aug 25, 2022, at 09:15 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com<mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:

I am then advised to contact the administrator, but there is no link I can find on the forums page for an administrator.


From alex at tweedly.net  Thu Aug 25 12:39:36 2022
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 17:39:36 +0100
Subject: BN Guides
In-Reply-To: <BC5638D1-4B3D-4162-ACE3-A0DDC5BCE103@iotecdigital.com>
References: <BC5638D1-4B3D-4162-ACE3-A0DDC5BCE103@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <7B163A35-88EF-4869-879E-30515F094AA3@tweedly.net>

Bob,

Just email Heather- she can do everything !

Probably the support @ livecode.com address would be more correct than her directly.

Alex

Sent from my iPhone

> On 25 Aug 2022, at 17:18, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I found the link to the Board Administrator. The board administrator link has been disabled. LOL!
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
> On Aug 25, 2022, at 09:15 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com<mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
> 
> I am then advised to contact the administrator, but there is no link I can find on the forums page for an administrator.
> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Aug 25 13:10:57 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 17:10:57 +0000
Subject: Exclude Keywords from Auto-Complete
Message-ID: <1D996715-EFE2-430C-83DF-D2C78B508265@iotecdigital.com>

Hi all. 

I just submitted an enhancement request to create a new global property of keywords to exclude from the SE Auto-Complete feature. The reason is, whenever I type "of me" in the SE, I get suggestions for mergeDeploy, and if I hit tab to reformat the script or to move to the next parameter of an auto-complete suggestion, it replaces "me" with the first mergeDeploy suggestion. There are other scenarios I've run into as well. 

Also, I looked in the SE preferences for auto-complete, but did not find an entry. There is one for Auto Format, but that enables/disables the auto-indent feature. Hopefully they are not both enabled/disabled by that one check box. 

https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23900

Bob S



From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net  Thu Aug 25 13:24:09 2022
From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 13:24:09 -0400
Subject: Exclude Keywords from Auto-Complete
In-Reply-To: <1D996715-EFE2-430C-83DF-D2C78B508265@iotecdigital.com>
References: <1D996715-EFE2-430C-83DF-D2C78B508265@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <003c01d8b8a7$7f667560$7e336020$@net>

In the edit=>options of the SE there is an option to turn autocomplete
On/Off. There is also edit=>Autocomplete Snippet Manager. I have not used it
but it looks interesting. It may solve your problem with the "alternate"
option?

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdimola at evergreeninfo.net

-----Original Message-----
From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf
Of Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2022 1:11 PM
To: How to use LiveCode
Cc: Bob Sneidar
Subject: Exclude Keywords from Auto-Complete

Hi all. 

I just submitted an enhancement request to create a new global property of
keywords to exclude from the SE Auto-Complete feature. The reason is,
whenever I type "of me" in the SE, I get suggestions for mergeDeploy, and if
I hit tab to reformat the script or to move to the next parameter of an
auto-complete suggestion, it replaces "me" with the first mergeDeploy
suggestion. There are other scenarios I've run into as well. 

Also, I looked in the SE preferences for auto-complete, but did not find an
entry. There is one for Auto Format, but that enables/disables the
auto-indent feature. Hopefully they are not both enabled/disabled by that
one check box. 

https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23900

Bob S


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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Aug 25 13:47:15 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 17:47:15 +0000
Subject: Exclude Keywords from Auto-Complete
In-Reply-To: <003c01d8b8a7$7f667560$7e336020$@net>
References: <1D996715-EFE2-430C-83DF-D2C78B508265@iotecdigital.com>
 <003c01d8b8a7$7f667560$7e336020$@net>
Message-ID: <A19455D6-6960-4DF1-B0F8-FD3FF0076C48@iotecdigital.com>

Thanks Ralph, that looks interesting. I see:

if ${condition:expression} then
   ${-- true code:statement}
else # ${condition}
   {-- false code:statement}
end if # ${condition}

Not sure how to use that but I will research. Thanks. 

Bob S


> On Aug 25, 2022, at 10:24 , Ralph DiMola via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> In the edit=>options of the SE there is an option to turn autocomplete
> On/Off. There is also edit=>Autocomplete Snippet Manager. I have not used it
> but it looks interesting. It may solve your problem with the "alternate"
> option?
> 
> Ralph DiMola
> IT Director
> Evergreen Information Services
> rdimola at evergreeninfo.net
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf
> Of Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
> Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2022 1:11 PM
> To: How to use LiveCode
> Cc: Bob Sneidar
> Subject: Exclude Keywords from Auto-Complete
> 
> Hi all. 
> 
> I just submitted an enhancement request to create a new global property of
> keywords to exclude from the SE Auto-Complete feature. The reason is,
> whenever I type "of me" in the SE, I get suggestions for mergeDeploy, and if
> I hit tab to reformat the script or to move to the next parameter of an
> auto-complete suggestion, it replaces "me" with the first mergeDeploy
> suggestion. There are other scenarios I've run into as well. 
> 
> Also, I looked in the SE preferences for auto-complete, but did not find an
> entry. There is one for Auto Format, but that enables/disables the
> auto-indent feature. Hopefully they are not both enabled/disabled by that
> one check box. 
> 
> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23900
> 
> Bob S



From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net  Thu Aug 25 14:38:20 2022
From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 14:38:20 -0400
Subject: Svg Icon Tool
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycMkUsjugLwfxMmJRdFg8tps=Af=SdL8=agSqxRM2BHhmg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <11ACB0FB-09A5-454C-836E-0B6CB2DAC0F7@m-r-d.de>
 <F9C11183-28C6-4D98-9051-F07201A60768@milby7.com>
 <CADCoycNWPrGx2HjRKf+-QT-KofGS=Y5Lhf9d1YeNWg_W-wTO1A@mail.gmail.com>
 <CADCoycMkUsjugLwfxMmJRdFg8tps=Af=SdL8=agSqxRM2BHhmg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <004001d8b8b1$dcaeb930$960c2b90$@net>

Mike,
I have used my own version of the navbar widget for years. I added an option to enlarge/vertically justify the icon if there is no label and eliminated the "new item" thingy. I think the stock widget already lets you select the zero option. I added that back before the stock widget let you do it. What changes/enhancements are you looking for?

I also have LCS routines to store the navbar options as a custom property array. I have handlers to add/delete/change option text and icons via script for a contextual UI. They are not documented or polished but if there is any interest I will look into it.

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdimola at evergreeninfo.net


-----Original Message-----
From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Mike Kerner via use-livecode
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2022 9:19 AM
To: How to use LiveCode
Cc: Mike Kerner
Subject: Re: Svg Icon Tool

Although, as long as we're having this discussion, the navBar is higher priority, so hit that, first.

On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 9:16 AM Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com>
wrote:

> Hey, man, if it's that easy to get you to do something, then
> * Make the tree widget better
> * Make the NavBar better
> Boom. Hero me.
>
> On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 7:37 AM Brian Milby via use-livecode < 
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> You are welcome!
>>
>> Good idea.  Just one file needs to be copied (SvgIconTool.livecode) 
>> to install.  If you ran it once and imported families, then you can 
>> copy or move the milby.us folder to retain the settings (I actually 
>> link that folder so I can run as a plug-in or from the repo and use 
>> the same
>> settings.)
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Brian
>>
>> > On Aug 25, 2022, at 7:07 AM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Thank you very much for this great tool.
>> >
>> > Maybe you add some information to the readme.md what files/folders 
>> > from
>> the zip have to be copied to the plugins folder.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Matthias
>> >
>> >
>> >> Am 25.08.2022 um 05:22 schrieb Brian Milby via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>> >>
>> >> Greetings list!
>> >>
>> >> A few years ago I published a tool that allowed easy creation of 
>> >> the
>> Icon
>> >> Families that I had been working on to integrate into the IDE.  
>> >> (The
>> code
>> >> had been started, but users had no way to leverage the planned
>> capability
>> >> at the time.)  At that time I simply posted it to Sample Stacks 
>> >> and a
>> copy
>> >> on my web server with more icons.
>> >>
>> >> I had been wanting to get it onto GitHub for quite some time, but
>> never got
>> >> around to it.  In another thread I mentioned the tool and Mike 
>> >> asked
>> if it
>> >> was available on GitHub.  That was just the sort of thing I needed 
>> >> to
>> get
>> >> it posted.  (Thanks Mike!)
>> >>
>> >> https://github.com/bwmilby/SvgIconTool
>> >>
>> >> The most significant change that I've made with this version is 
>> >> that it will keep the icon families and prefs stored as separate 
>> >> files instead
>> of
>> >> inside the stack.  This will make things much easier since plugins
>> start as
>> >> a palette and you have to toplevel it to save (which is no longer 
>> >> necessary).  If you use the previous version, you only really need 
>> >> to
>> worry
>> >> about any custom families that you imported.  All of the ones that 
>> >> I provided earlier are available in the repository and can be 
>> >> loaded in
>> bulk
>> >> by dragging them onto the library card.
>> >>
>> >> I welcome feedback and bug reports on the GitHub repository.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks and have a blessed day!
>> >> Brian Milby
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> use-livecode mailing list
>> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>> >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> >
>> >
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>
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> day, God created the oceans.
> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>    and did a little diving.
> And God said, "This is good."
>


--
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On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
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From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Thu Aug 25 14:46:39 2022
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 14:46:39 -0400
Subject: Svg Icon Tool
In-Reply-To: <004001d8b8b1$dcaeb930$960c2b90$@net>
References: <11ACB0FB-09A5-454C-836E-0B6CB2DAC0F7@m-r-d.de>
 <F9C11183-28C6-4D98-9051-F07201A60768@milby7.com>
 <CADCoycNWPrGx2HjRKf+-QT-KofGS=Y5Lhf9d1YeNWg_W-wTO1A@mail.gmail.com>
 <CADCoycMkUsjugLwfxMmJRdFg8tps=Af=SdL8=agSqxRM2BHhmg@mail.gmail.com>
 <004001d8b8b1$dcaeb930$960c2b90$@net>
Message-ID: <CADCoycM0P7z5c5-PM1i_cvGoY6EKyt1HoJb29cfbmX81Vnrwew@mail.gmail.com>

the two things that are glaring, imho are
* [preHiliteChanged](https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23207) -
someone taps on a selection. i do a check, throw up a "nope", and nothing
changes. this one is preventing me from moving off of the tmControls navbar.
* autowidth to the card width.
but there are several others, as well
https://quality.livecode.com/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=navigation%20bar&list_id=105904
listen, i get it. i need to re-learn lcb and actually use it.
but i also have force powers, so i know that someone is going to do these
things, before i do, and then i won't have to.

On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 2:39 PM Ralph DiMola via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Mike,
> I have used my own version of the navbar widget for years. I added an
> option to enlarge/vertically justify the icon if there is no label and
> eliminated the "new item" thingy. I think the stock widget already lets you
> select the zero option. I added that back before the stock widget let you
> do it. What changes/enhancements are you looking for?
>
> I also have LCS routines to store the navbar options as a custom property
> array. I have handlers to add/delete/change option text and icons via
> script for a contextual UI. They are not documented or polished but if
> there is any interest I will look into it.
>
> Ralph DiMola
> IT Director
> Evergreen Information Services
> rdimola at evergreeninfo.net
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On
> Behalf Of Mike Kerner via use-livecode
> Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2022 9:19 AM
> To: How to use LiveCode
> Cc: Mike Kerner
> Subject: Re: Svg Icon Tool
>
> Although, as long as we're having this discussion, the navBar is higher
> priority, so hit that, first.
>
> On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 9:16 AM Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hey, man, if it's that easy to get you to do something, then
> > * Make the tree widget better
> > * Make the NavBar better
> > Boom. Hero me.
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 7:37 AM Brian Milby via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >> You are welcome!
> >>
> >> Good idea.  Just one file needs to be copied (SvgIconTool.livecode)
> >> to install.  If you ran it once and imported families, then you can
> >> copy or move the milby.us folder to retain the settings (I actually
> >> link that folder so I can run as a plug-in or from the repo and use
> >> the same
> >> settings.)
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Brian
> >>
> >> > On Aug 25, 2022, at 7:07 AM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Thank you very much for this great tool.
> >> >
> >> > Maybe you add some information to the readme.md what files/folders
> >> > from
> >> the zip have to be copied to the plugins folder.
> >> >
> >> > Regards,
> >> > Matthias
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> Am 25.08.2022 um 05:22 schrieb Brian Milby via use-livecode <
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> >> >>
> >> >> Greetings list!
> >> >>
> >> >> A few years ago I published a tool that allowed easy creation of
> >> >> the
> >> Icon
> >> >> Families that I had been working on to integrate into the IDE.
> >> >> (The
> >> code
> >> >> had been started, but users had no way to leverage the planned
> >> capability
> >> >> at the time.)  At that time I simply posted it to Sample Stacks
> >> >> and a
> >> copy
> >> >> on my web server with more icons.
> >> >>
> >> >> I had been wanting to get it onto GitHub for quite some time, but
> >> never got
> >> >> around to it.  In another thread I mentioned the tool and Mike
> >> >> asked
> >> if it
> >> >> was available on GitHub.  That was just the sort of thing I needed
> >> >> to
> >> get
> >> >> it posted.  (Thanks Mike!)
> >> >>
> >> >> https://github.com/bwmilby/SvgIconTool
> >> >>
> >> >> The most significant change that I've made with this version is
> >> >> that it will keep the icon families and prefs stored as separate
> >> >> files instead
> >> of
> >> >> inside the stack.  This will make things much easier since plugins
> >> start as
> >> >> a palette and you have to toplevel it to save (which is no longer
> >> >> necessary).  If you use the previous version, you only really need
> >> >> to
> >> worry
> >> >> about any custom families that you imported.  All of the ones that
> >> >> I provided earlier are available in the repository and can be
> >> >> loaded in
> >> bulk
> >> >> by dragging them onto the library card.
> >> >>
> >> >> I welcome feedback and bug reports on the GitHub repository.
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks and have a blessed day!
> >> >> Brian Milby
> >> >> _______________________________________________
> >> >> use-livecode mailing list
> >> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >> >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> >> subscription preferences:
> >> >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >> >
> >> >
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> >
> >
> > --
> > On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second
> > day, God created the oceans.
> > On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
> >    and did a little diving.
> > And God said, "This is good."
> >
>
>
> --
> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day,
> God created the oceans.
> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>    and did a little diving.
> And God said, "This is good."
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
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-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."

From brian at milby7.com  Thu Aug 25 17:47:34 2022
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 17:47:34 -0400
Subject: Svg Icon Tool
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycM0P7z5c5-PM1i_cvGoY6EKyt1HoJb29cfbmX81Vnrwew@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycM0P7z5c5-PM1i_cvGoY6EKyt1HoJb29cfbmX81Vnrwew@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7808C04E-821A-4FA6-A1BE-59696DEC3D98@milby7.com>


I think what we probably need is simply:

set the hilitedItemSilently of widget 1 to 1
Or
set the hilitedItemWithoutMessage of widget 1 to 1

This would allow more elegant solutions to many of the raised issues.

Thanks,
Brian


Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 25, 2022, at 2:48 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> the two things that are glaring, imho are
> * [preHiliteChanged](https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23207) -
> someone taps on a selection. i do a check, throw up a "nope", and nothing
> changes. this one is preventing me from moving off of the tmControls navbar.
> * autowidth to the card width.
> but there are several others, as well
> https://quality.livecode.com/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=navigation%20bar&list_id=105904
> listen, i get it. i need to re-learn lcb and actually use it.
> but i also have force powers, so i know that someone is going to do these
> things, before i do, and then i won't have to.
> 
>> On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 2:39 PM Ralph DiMola via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Mike,
>> I have used my own version of the navbar widget for years. I added an
>> option to enlarge/vertically justify the icon if there is no label and
>> eliminated the "new item" thingy. I think the stock widget already lets you
>> select the zero option. I added that back before the stock widget let you
>> do it. What changes/enhancements are you looking for?
>> 
>> I also have LCS routines to store the navbar options as a custom property
>> array. I have handlers to add/delete/change option text and icons via
>> script for a contextual UI. They are not documented or polished but if
>> there is any interest I will look into it.
>> 
>> Ralph DiMola
>> IT Director
>> Evergreen Information Services
>> rdimola at evergreeninfo.net
>> 

From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Fri Aug 26 09:01:04 2022
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2022 09:01:04 -0400
Subject: Svg Icon Tool
In-Reply-To: <7808C04E-821A-4FA6-A1BE-59696DEC3D98@milby7.com>
References: <CADCoycM0P7z5c5-PM1i_cvGoY6EKyt1HoJb29cfbmX81Vnrwew@mail.gmail.com>
 <7808C04E-821A-4FA6-A1BE-59696DEC3D98@milby7.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycNhxinwYffTcGF0qWrJQdCf8BmnZv75CU0sH62kd0O_3g@mail.gmail.com>

i don't think so. i want to be able to be able to intercept the
touch/click, and decide what to do. sometimes i want to ignore it.
sometimes i want to throw up an error and not switch. sometimes i want to
do something else, first.

On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 5:48 PM Brian Milby via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

>
> I think what we probably need is simply:
>
> set the hilitedItemSilently of widget 1 to 1
> Or
> set the hilitedItemWithoutMessage of widget 1 to 1
>
> This would allow more elegant solutions to many of the raised issues.
>
> Thanks,
> Brian
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Aug 25, 2022, at 2:48 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > the two things that are glaring, imho are
> > * [preHiliteChanged](https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23207)
> -
> > someone taps on a selection. i do a check, throw up a "nope", and nothing
> > changes. this one is preventing me from moving off of the tmControls
> navbar.
> > * autowidth to the card width.
> > but there are several others, as well
> >
> https://quality.livecode.com/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=navigation%20bar&list_id=105904
> > listen, i get it. i need to re-learn lcb and actually use it.
> > but i also have force powers, so i know that someone is going to do these
> > things, before i do, and then i won't have to.
> >
> >> On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 2:39 PM Ralph DiMola via use-livecode <
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Mike,
> >> I have used my own version of the navbar widget for years. I added an
> >> option to enlarge/vertically justify the icon if there is no label and
> >> eliminated the "new item" thingy. I think the stock widget already lets
> you
> >> select the zero option. I added that back before the stock widget let
> you
> >> do it. What changes/enhancements are you looking for?
> >>
> >> I also have LCS routines to store the navbar options as a custom
> property
> >> array. I have handlers to add/delete/change option text and icons via
> >> script for a contextual UI. They are not documented or polished but if
> >> there is any interest I will look into it.
> >>
> >> Ralph DiMola
> >> IT Director
> >> Evergreen Information Services
> >> rdimola at evergreeninfo.net
> >>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>


-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."

From brian at milby7.com  Fri Aug 26 09:22:48 2022
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2022 09:22:48 -0400
Subject: Svg Icon Tool
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The silent update would allow that to happen in the hilitechanged handler.

I don’t know how you would implement a pre… message.  How would the widget know whether to proceed or not?  The two messages would fire almost simultaneously.  There also isn’t any way to tell the widget to cancel the highlight action, which would be needed.

A mouseDown message may work but would still need a way to cancel the highlight.  I think the silent change is the most seamless way to accomplish this task.

In general I think that normal mouse messages should be passed from widgets - even if they add specialized functionality with additional messages.  I don’t think they would solve this issue on their own though.

(I also did some work in this widget to add the nothing and multiple selections)



> On Aug 26, 2022, at 9:03 AM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> i don't think so. i want to be able to be able to intercept the
> touch/click, and decide what to do. sometimes i want to ignore it.
> sometimes i want to throw up an error and not switch. sometimes i want to
> do something else, first.
> 
>> On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 5:48 PM Brian Milby via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I think what we probably need is simply:
>> 
>> set the hilitedItemSilently of widget 1 to 1
>> Or
>> set the hilitedItemWithoutMessage of widget 1 to 1
>> 
>> This would allow more elegant solutions to many of the raised issues.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Brian
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Aug 25, 2022, at 2:48 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> the two things that are glaring, imho are
>>> * [preHiliteChanged](https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23207)
>> -
>>> someone taps on a selection. i do a check, throw up a "nope", and nothing
>>> changes. this one is preventing me from moving off of the tmControls
>> navbar.
>>> * autowidth to the card width.
>>> but there are several others, as well
>>> 
>> https://quality.livecode.com/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=navigation%20bar&list_id=105904
>>> listen, i get it. i need to re-learn lcb and actually use it.
>>> but i also have force powers, so i know that someone is going to do these
>>> things, before i do, and then i won't have to.
>>> 
>>>> On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 2:39 PM Ralph DiMola via use-livecode <
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Mike,
>>>> I have used my own version of the navbar widget for years. I added an
>>>> option to enlarge/vertically justify the icon if there is no label and
>>>> eliminated the "new item" thingy. I think the stock widget already lets
>> you
>>>> select the zero option. I added that back before the stock widget let
>> you
>>>> do it. What changes/enhancements are you looking for?
>>>> 
>>>> I also have LCS routines to store the navbar options as a custom
>> property
>>>> array. I have handlers to add/delete/change option text and icons via
>>>> script for a contextual UI. They are not documented or polished but if
>>>> there is any interest I will look into it.
>>>> 
>>>> Ralph DiMola
>>>> IT Director
>>>> Evergreen Information Services
>>>> rdimola at evergreeninfo.net
>>>> 
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> 
> 
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From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Fri Aug 26 09:27:14 2022
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2022 09:27:14 -0400
Subject: Svg Icon Tool
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you would have a property for autohilite, and if that is false, the
developer would be responsible for setting the hilite. that's the way it's
implemented with other controls.

On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 9:23 AM Brian Milby via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> The silent update would allow that to happen in the hilitechanged handler.
>
> I don’t know how you would implement a pre… message.  How would the widget
> know whether to proceed or not?  The two messages would fire almost
> simultaneously.  There also isn’t any way to tell the widget to cancel the
> highlight action, which would be needed.
>
> A mouseDown message may work but would still need a way to cancel the
> highlight.  I think the silent change is the most seamless way to
> accomplish this task.
>
> In general I think that normal mouse messages should be passed from
> widgets - even if they add specialized functionality with additional
> messages.  I don’t think they would solve this issue on their own though.
>
> (I also did some work in this widget to add the nothing and multiple
> selections)
>
>
>
> > On Aug 26, 2022, at 9:03 AM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > i don't think so. i want to be able to be able to intercept the
> > touch/click, and decide what to do. sometimes i want to ignore it.
> > sometimes i want to throw up an error and not switch. sometimes i want to
> > do something else, first.
> >
> >> On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 5:48 PM Brian Milby via use-livecode <
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> I think what we probably need is simply:
> >>
> >> set the hilitedItemSilently of widget 1 to 1
> >> Or
> >> set the hilitedItemWithoutMessage of widget 1 to 1
> >>
> >> This would allow more elegant solutions to many of the raised issues.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Brian
> >>
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Aug 25, 2022, at 2:48 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> the two things that are glaring, imho are
> >>> * [preHiliteChanged](
> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23207)
> >> -
> >>> someone taps on a selection. i do a check, throw up a "nope", and
> nothing
> >>> changes. this one is preventing me from moving off of the tmControls
> >> navbar.
> >>> * autowidth to the card width.
> >>> but there are several others, as well
> >>>
> >>
> https://quality.livecode.com/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=navigation%20bar&list_id=105904
> >>> listen, i get it. i need to re-learn lcb and actually use it.
> >>> but i also have force powers, so i know that someone is going to do
> these
> >>> things, before i do, and then i won't have to.
> >>>
> >>>> On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 2:39 PM Ralph DiMola via use-livecode <
> >>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Mike,
> >>>> I have used my own version of the navbar widget for years. I added an
> >>>> option to enlarge/vertically justify the icon if there is no label and
> >>>> eliminated the "new item" thingy. I think the stock widget already
> lets
> >> you
> >>>> select the zero option. I added that back before the stock widget let
> >> you
> >>>> do it. What changes/enhancements are you looking for?
> >>>>
> >>>> I also have LCS routines to store the navbar options as a custom
> >> property
> >>>> array. I have handlers to add/delete/change option text and icons via
> >>>> script for a contextual UI. They are not documented or polished but if
> >>>> there is any interest I will look into it.
> >>>>
> >>>> Ralph DiMola
> >>>> IT Director
> >>>> Evergreen Information Services
> >>>> rdimola at evergreeninfo.net
> >>>>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> use-livecode mailing list
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
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> >>
> >
> >
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> > On the second day, God created the oceans.
> > On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
> >   and did a little diving.
> > And God said, "This is good."
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   and did a little diving.
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From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net  Fri Aug 26 09:41:46 2022
From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2022 09:41:46 -0400
Subject: Svg Icon Tool
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Do widgets even have the capability to send a message and have it return back to the widget if it is "Pass"ed in the spirit of "Pre" messages?

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdimola at evergreeninfo.net

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From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Mike Kerner via use-livecode
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2022 9:27 AM
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Cc: Mike Kerner
Subject: Re: Svg Icon Tool

you would have a property for autohilite, and if that is false, the developer would be responsible for setting the hilite. that's the way it's implemented with other controls.

On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 9:23 AM Brian Milby via use-livecode < use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> The silent update would allow that to happen in the hilitechanged handler.
>
> I don’t know how you would implement a pre… message.  How would the 
> widget know whether to proceed or not?  The two messages would fire 
> almost simultaneously.  There also isn’t any way to tell the widget to 
> cancel the highlight action, which would be needed.
>
> A mouseDown message may work but would still need a way to cancel the 
> highlight.  I think the silent change is the most seamless way to 
> accomplish this task.
>
> In general I think that normal mouse messages should be passed from 
> widgets - even if they add specialized functionality with additional 
> messages.  I don’t think they would solve this issue on their own though.
>
> (I also did some work in this widget to add the nothing and multiple
> selections)
>
>
>
> > On Aug 26, 2022, at 9:03 AM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > i don't think so. i want to be able to be able to intercept the 
> > touch/click, and decide what to do. sometimes i want to ignore it.
> > sometimes i want to throw up an error and not switch. sometimes i 
> > want to do something else, first.
> >
> >> On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 5:48 PM Brian Milby via use-livecode < 
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> I think what we probably need is simply:
> >>
> >> set the hilitedItemSilently of widget 1 to 1 Or set the 
> >> hilitedItemWithoutMessage of widget 1 to 1
> >>
> >> This would allow more elegant solutions to many of the raised issues.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Brian
> >>
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Aug 25, 2022, at 2:48 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> the two things that are glaring, imho are
> >>> * [preHiliteChanged](
> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23207)
> >> -
> >>> someone taps on a selection. i do a check, throw up a "nope", and
> nothing
> >>> changes. this one is preventing me from moving off of the 
> >>> tmControls
> >> navbar.
> >>> * autowidth to the card width.
> >>> but there are several others, as well
> >>>
> >>
> https://quality.livecode.com/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=navigation%20bar&
> list_id=105904
> >>> listen, i get it. i need to re-learn lcb and actually use it.
> >>> but i also have force powers, so i know that someone is going to 
> >>> do
> these
> >>> things, before i do, and then i won't have to.
> >>>
> >>>> On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 2:39 PM Ralph DiMola via use-livecode < 
> >>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Mike,
> >>>> I have used my own version of the navbar widget for years. I 
> >>>> added an option to enlarge/vertically justify the icon if there 
> >>>> is no label and eliminated the "new item" thingy. I think the 
> >>>> stock widget already
> lets
> >> you
> >>>> select the zero option. I added that back before the stock widget 
> >>>> let
> >> you
> >>>> do it. What changes/enhancements are you looking for?
> >>>>
> >>>> I also have LCS routines to store the navbar options as a custom
> >> property
> >>>> array. I have handlers to add/delete/change option text and icons 
> >>>> via script for a contextual UI. They are not documented or 
> >>>> polished but if there is any interest I will look into it.
> >>>>
> >>>> Ralph DiMola
> >>>> IT Director
> >>>> Evergreen Information Services
> >>>> rdimola at evergreeninfo.net
> >>>>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> use-livecode mailing list
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
> >> subscription preferences:
> >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the 
> > second day, God created the oceans.
> > On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
> >   and did a little diving.
> > And God said, "This is good."
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From brian at milby7.com  Fri Aug 26 10:13:14 2022
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2022 10:13:14 -0400
Subject: Svg Icon Tool
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Ok, then we need a full spec on how this would work.  It is not just the addition of a message.

To get what you are desiring, it would be most consistent to just add the mouse messages and the autoHilite property.

I would still want the silent option since that works most in the grain of the current functionality.

In your use case, you wouldn’t even use the hiliteChanged message.  You would just act based on the mouseUp after your checks.

From a UI perspective, I think it makes more sense for the object to highlight on the touch and then revert on the mouseUp if not permitted.

> On Aug 26, 2022, at 9:28 AM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> you would have a property for autohilite, and if that is false, the
> developer would be responsible for setting the hilite. that's the way it's
> implemented with other controls.
> 
>> On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 9:23 AM Brian Milby via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> The silent update would allow that to happen in the hilitechanged handler.
>> 
>> I don’t know how you would implement a pre… message.  How would the widget
>> know whether to proceed or not?  The two messages would fire almost
>> simultaneously.  There also isn’t any way to tell the widget to cancel the
>> highlight action, which would be needed.
>> 
>> A mouseDown message may work but would still need a way to cancel the
>> highlight.  I think the silent change is the most seamless way to
>> accomplish this task.
>> 
>> In general I think that normal mouse messages should be passed from
>> widgets - even if they add specialized functionality with additional
>> messages.  I don’t think they would solve this issue on their own though.
>> 
>> (I also did some work in this widget to add the nothing and multiple
>> selections)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 26, 2022, at 9:03 AM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> i don't think so. i want to be able to be able to intercept the
>>> touch/click, and decide what to do. sometimes i want to ignore it.
>>> sometimes i want to throw up an error and not switch. sometimes i want to
>>> do something else, first.
>>> 
>>>> On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 5:48 PM Brian Milby via use-livecode <
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I think what we probably need is simply:
>>>> 
>>>> set the hilitedItemSilently of widget 1 to 1
>>>> Or
>>>> set the hilitedItemWithoutMessage of widget 1 to 1
>>>> 
>>>> This would allow more elegant solutions to many of the raised issues.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Brian
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Aug 25, 2022, at 2:48 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> the two things that are glaring, imho are
>>>>> * [preHiliteChanged](
>> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23207)
>>>> -
>>>>> someone taps on a selection. i do a check, throw up a "nope", and
>> nothing
>>>>> changes. this one is preventing me from moving off of the tmControls
>>>> navbar.
>>>>> * autowidth to the card width.
>>>>> but there are several others, as well
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>> https://quality.livecode.com/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=navigation%20bar&list_id=105904
>>>>> listen, i get it. i need to re-learn lcb and actually use it.
>>>>> but i also have force powers, so i know that someone is going to do
>> these
>>>>> things, before i do, and then i won't have to.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 2:39 PM Ralph DiMola via use-livecode <
>>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Mike,
>>>>>> I have used my own version of the navbar widget for years. I added an
>>>>>> option to enlarge/vertically justify the icon if there is no label and
>>>>>> eliminated the "new item" thingy. I think the stock widget already
>> lets
>>>> you
>>>>>> select the zero option. I added that back before the stock widget let
>>>> you
>>>>>> do it. What changes/enhancements are you looking for?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I also have LCS routines to store the navbar options as a custom
>>>> property
>>>>>> array. I have handlers to add/delete/change option text and icons via
>>>>>> script for a contextual UI. They are not documented or polished but if
>>>>>> there is any interest I will look into it.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Ralph DiMola
>>>>>> IT Director
>>>>>> Evergreen Information Services
>>>>>> rdimola at evergreeninfo.net
>>>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>>> subscription preferences:
>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> On the second day, God created the oceans.
>>> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>>>  and did a little diving.
>>> And God said, "This is good."
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
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> 
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> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
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> And God said, "This is good."
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From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Fri Aug 26 10:28:45 2022
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2022 10:28:45 -0400
Subject: Svg Icon Tool
In-Reply-To: <D91960E1-508B-41CB-B716-CD63A23098C0@milby7.com>
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correct, the hiliteChanged message is superfluous in this scenario, and the
developer would just manage the touch/mouse messages
i disagree that flipping the hilite to one and then back is better. the
hilite is an indicator of state. if the state is not allowed to change,
then the hilite should not change.
in the current operation, the user hits a selection. the hilite changes. at
this point, there aren't any good options. if we switch cards, then do the
test, tell the user that the selection is not allowed, then switch back,
they get this jerky transition, and we have to restore the previous state.
if we do not make the transition, then they get the hilite changing, then
they get rejected, and then we have to switch the hilite back to what it
was, before.

On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 10:14 AM Brian Milby via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Ok, then we need a full spec on how this would work.  It is not just the
> addition of a message.
>
> To get what you are desiring, it would be most consistent to just add the
> mouse messages and the autoHilite property.
>
> I would still want the silent option since that works most in the grain of
> the current functionality.
>
> In your use case, you wouldn’t even use the hiliteChanged message.  You
> would just act based on the mouseUp after your checks.
>
> From a UI perspective, I think it makes more sense for the object to
> highlight on the touch and then revert on the mouseUp if not permitted.
>
> > On Aug 26, 2022, at 9:28 AM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > you would have a property for autohilite, and if that is false, the
> > developer would be responsible for setting the hilite. that's the way
> it's
> > implemented with other controls.
> >
> >> On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 9:23 AM Brian Milby via use-livecode <
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> The silent update would allow that to happen in the hilitechanged
> handler.
> >>
> >> I don’t know how you would implement a pre… message.  How would the
> widget
> >> know whether to proceed or not?  The two messages would fire almost
> >> simultaneously.  There also isn’t any way to tell the widget to cancel
> the
> >> highlight action, which would be needed.
> >>
> >> A mouseDown message may work but would still need a way to cancel the
> >> highlight.  I think the silent change is the most seamless way to
> >> accomplish this task.
> >>
> >> In general I think that normal mouse messages should be passed from
> >> widgets - even if they add specialized functionality with additional
> >> messages.  I don’t think they would solve this issue on their own
> though.
> >>
> >> (I also did some work in this widget to add the nothing and multiple
> >> selections)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Aug 26, 2022, at 9:03 AM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> i don't think so. i want to be able to be able to intercept the
> >>> touch/click, and decide what to do. sometimes i want to ignore it.
> >>> sometimes i want to throw up an error and not switch. sometimes i want
> to
> >>> do something else, first.
> >>>
> >>>> On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 5:48 PM Brian Milby via use-livecode <
> >>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I think what we probably need is simply:
> >>>>
> >>>> set the hilitedItemSilently of widget 1 to 1
> >>>> Or
> >>>> set the hilitedItemWithoutMessage of widget 1 to 1
> >>>>
> >>>> This would allow more elegant solutions to many of the raised issues.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks,
> >>>> Brian
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Aug 25, 2022, at 2:48 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> >>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> the two things that are glaring, imho are
> >>>>> * [preHiliteChanged](
> >> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23207)
> >>>> -
> >>>>> someone taps on a selection. i do a check, throw up a "nope", and
> >> nothing
> >>>>> changes. this one is preventing me from moving off of the tmControls
> >>>> navbar.
> >>>>> * autowidth to the card width.
> >>>>> but there are several others, as well
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> https://quality.livecode.com/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=navigation%20bar&list_id=105904
> >>>>> listen, i get it. i need to re-learn lcb and actually use it.
> >>>>> but i also have force powers, so i know that someone is going to do
> >> these
> >>>>> things, before i do, and then i won't have to.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 2:39 PM Ralph DiMola via use-livecode <
> >>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Mike,
> >>>>>> I have used my own version of the navbar widget for years. I added
> an
> >>>>>> option to enlarge/vertically justify the icon if there is no label
> and
> >>>>>> eliminated the "new item" thingy. I think the stock widget already
> >> lets
> >>>> you
> >>>>>> select the zero option. I added that back before the stock widget
> let
> >>>> you
> >>>>>> do it. What changes/enhancements are you looking for?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I also have LCS routines to store the navbar options as a custom
> >>>> property
> >>>>>> array. I have handlers to add/delete/change option text and icons
> via
> >>>>>> script for a contextual UI. They are not documented or polished but
> if
> >>>>>> there is any interest I will look into it.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Ralph DiMola
> >>>>>> IT Director
> >>>>>> Evergreen Information Services
> >>>>>> rdimola at evergreeninfo.net
> >>>>>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> use-livecode mailing list
> >>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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> >>> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> >>> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
> >>>  and did a little diving.
> >>> And God said, "This is good."
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> > On the second day, God created the oceans.
> > On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
> >   and did a little diving.
> > And God said, "This is good."
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From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Fri Aug 26 10:34:24 2022
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2022 10:34:24 -0400
Subject: Svg Icon Tool
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i could see, for someone who wants it to behave the way it behaves now,
that retaining the current behavior and adding to it would be better.
the control can work both ways, a manual mode and an automagical mode.

On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 10:28 AM Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com>
wrote:

> correct, the hiliteChanged message is superfluous in this scenario, and
> the developer would just manage the touch/mouse messages
> i disagree that flipping the hilite to one and then back is better. the
> hilite is an indicator of state. if the state is not allowed to change,
> then the hilite should not change.
> in the current operation, the user hits a selection. the hilite changes.
> at this point, there aren't any good options. if we switch cards, then do
> the test, tell the user that the selection is not allowed, then switch
> back, they get this jerky transition, and we have to restore the previous
> state. if we do not make the transition, then they get the hilite changing,
> then they get rejected, and then we have to switch the hilite back to what
> it was, before.
>
> On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 10:14 AM Brian Milby via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> Ok, then we need a full spec on how this would work.  It is not just the
>> addition of a message.
>>
>> To get what you are desiring, it would be most consistent to just add the
>> mouse messages and the autoHilite property.
>>
>> I would still want the silent option since that works most in the grain
>> of the current functionality.
>>
>> In your use case, you wouldn’t even use the hiliteChanged message.  You
>> would just act based on the mouseUp after your checks.
>>
>> From a UI perspective, I think it makes more sense for the object to
>> highlight on the touch and then revert on the mouseUp if not permitted.
>>
>> > On Aug 26, 2022, at 9:28 AM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > you would have a property for autohilite, and if that is false, the
>> > developer would be responsible for setting the hilite. that's the way
>> it's
>> > implemented with other controls.
>> >
>> >> On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 9:23 AM Brian Milby via use-livecode <
>> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> The silent update would allow that to happen in the hilitechanged
>> handler.
>> >>
>> >> I don’t know how you would implement a pre… message.  How would the
>> widget
>> >> know whether to proceed or not?  The two messages would fire almost
>> >> simultaneously.  There also isn’t any way to tell the widget to cancel
>> the
>> >> highlight action, which would be needed.
>> >>
>> >> A mouseDown message may work but would still need a way to cancel the
>> >> highlight.  I think the silent change is the most seamless way to
>> >> accomplish this task.
>> >>
>> >> In general I think that normal mouse messages should be passed from
>> >> widgets - even if they add specialized functionality with additional
>> >> messages.  I don’t think they would solve this issue on their own
>> though.
>> >>
>> >> (I also did some work in this widget to add the nothing and multiple
>> >> selections)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> On Aug 26, 2022, at 9:03 AM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
>> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> i don't think so. i want to be able to be able to intercept the
>> >>> touch/click, and decide what to do. sometimes i want to ignore it.
>> >>> sometimes i want to throw up an error and not switch. sometimes i
>> want to
>> >>> do something else, first.
>> >>>
>> >>>> On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 5:48 PM Brian Milby via use-livecode <
>> >>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I think what we probably need is simply:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> set the hilitedItemSilently of widget 1 to 1
>> >>>> Or
>> >>>> set the hilitedItemWithoutMessage of widget 1 to 1
>> >>>>
>> >>>> This would allow more elegant solutions to many of the raised issues.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Thanks,
>> >>>> Brian
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> On Aug 25, 2022, at 2:48 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
>> >>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> the two things that are glaring, imho are
>> >>>>> * [preHiliteChanged](
>> >> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23207)
>> >>>> -
>> >>>>> someone taps on a selection. i do a check, throw up a "nope", and
>> >> nothing
>> >>>>> changes. this one is preventing me from moving off of the tmControls
>> >>>> navbar.
>> >>>>> * autowidth to the card width.
>> >>>>> but there are several others, as well
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>
>> https://quality.livecode.com/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=navigation%20bar&list_id=105904
>> >>>>> listen, i get it. i need to re-learn lcb and actually use it.
>> >>>>> but i also have force powers, so i know that someone is going to do
>> >> these
>> >>>>> things, before i do, and then i won't have to.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 2:39 PM Ralph DiMola via use-livecode <
>> >>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Mike,
>> >>>>>> I have used my own version of the navbar widget for years. I added
>> an
>> >>>>>> option to enlarge/vertically justify the icon if there is no label
>> and
>> >>>>>> eliminated the "new item" thingy. I think the stock widget already
>> >> lets
>> >>>> you
>> >>>>>> select the zero option. I added that back before the stock widget
>> let
>> >>>> you
>> >>>>>> do it. What changes/enhancements are you looking for?
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> I also have LCS routines to store the navbar options as a custom
>> >>>> property
>> >>>>>> array. I have handlers to add/delete/change option text and icons
>> via
>> >>>>>> script for a contextual UI. They are not documented or polished
>> but if
>> >>>>>> there is any interest I will look into it.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Ralph DiMola
>> >>>>>> IT Director
>> >>>>>> Evergreen Information Services
>> >>>>>> rdimola at evergreeninfo.net
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>> _______________________________________________
>> >>>> use-livecode mailing list
>> >>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> >>>> subscription preferences:
>> >>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
>> >>> On the second day, God created the oceans.
>> >>> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>> >>>  and did a little diving.
>> >>> And God said, "This is good."
>> >>> _______________________________________________
>> >>> use-livecode mailing list
>> >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> >> subscription preferences:
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>> >>
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>> >> subscription preferences:
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>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
>> > On the second day, God created the oceans.
>> > On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>> >   and did a little diving.
>> > And God said, "This is good."
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > use-livecode mailing list
>> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
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>
>
> --
> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>    and did a little diving.
> And God said, "This is good."
>


-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."

From brian at milby7.com  Fri Aug 26 10:58:14 2022
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2022 10:58:14 -0400
Subject: Svg Icon Tool
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Speaking from a phone UI context, I would think that when you touch an object that it would highlight to register the touch.  If you drag off the object, then the touch is cancelled.  When you release, then the validity is tested.  If the touch is valid, then the object would retain the highlight (or if you had different colors for touch/selected it would change) and the follow on actions would take place.  If not valid, the highlight would be reverted to previous state without any change in the current card.

All of this can be scripted currently but you have to add your own tests to the hiliteChanged message and guard against causing a loop.

I’ll set up a repo for this widget so it can be worked based on the GPL code.

> On Aug 26, 2022, at 10:30 AM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> correct, the hiliteChanged message is superfluous in this scenario, and the
> developer would just manage the touch/mouse messages
> i disagree that flipping the hilite to one and then back is better. the
> hilite is an indicator of state. if the state is not allowed to change,
> then the hilite should not change.
> in the current operation, the user hits a selection. the hilite changes. at
> this point, there aren't any good options. if we switch cards, then do the
> test, tell the user that the selection is not allowed, then switch back,
> they get this jerky transition, and we have to restore the previous state.
> if we do not make the transition, then they get the hilite changing, then
> they get rejected, and then we have to switch the hilite back to what it
> was, before.
> 
>> On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 10:14 AM Brian Milby via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Ok, then we need a full spec on how this would work.  It is not just the
>> addition of a message.
>> 
>> To get what you are desiring, it would be most consistent to just add the
>> mouse messages and the autoHilite property.
>> 
>> I would still want the silent option since that works most in the grain of
>> the current functionality.
>> 
>> In your use case, you wouldn’t even use the hiliteChanged message.  You
>> would just act based on the mouseUp after your checks.
>> 
>> From a UI perspective, I think it makes more sense for the object to
>> highlight on the touch and then revert on the mouseUp if not permitted.
>> 
>>> On Aug 26, 2022, at 9:28 AM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> you would have a property for autohilite, and if that is false, the
>>> developer would be responsible for setting the hilite. that's the way
>> it's
>>> implemented with other controls.
>>> 
>>>> On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 9:23 AM Brian Milby via use-livecode <
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> The silent update would allow that to happen in the hilitechanged
>> handler.
>>>> 
>>>> I don’t know how you would implement a pre… message.  How would the
>> widget
>>>> know whether to proceed or not?  The two messages would fire almost
>>>> simultaneously.  There also isn’t any way to tell the widget to cancel
>> the
>>>> highlight action, which would be needed.
>>>> 
>>>> A mouseDown message may work but would still need a way to cancel the
>>>> highlight.  I think the silent change is the most seamless way to
>>>> accomplish this task.
>>>> 
>>>> In general I think that normal mouse messages should be passed from
>>>> widgets - even if they add specialized functionality with additional
>>>> messages.  I don’t think they would solve this issue on their own
>> though.
>>>> 
>>>> (I also did some work in this widget to add the nothing and multiple
>>>> selections)
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Aug 26, 2022, at 9:03 AM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> i don't think so. i want to be able to be able to intercept the
>>>>> touch/click, and decide what to do. sometimes i want to ignore it.
>>>>> sometimes i want to throw up an error and not switch. sometimes i want
>> to
>>>>> do something else, first.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 5:48 PM Brian Milby via use-livecode <
>>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I think what we probably need is simply:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> set the hilitedItemSilently of widget 1 to 1
>>>>>> Or
>>>>>> set the hilitedItemWithoutMessage of widget 1 to 1
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> This would allow more elegant solutions to many of the raised issues.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Brian
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Aug 25, 2022, at 2:48 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
>>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> the two things that are glaring, imho are
>>>>>>> * [preHiliteChanged](
>>>> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23207)
>>>>>> -
>>>>>>> someone taps on a selection. i do a check, throw up a "nope", and
>>>> nothing
>>>>>>> changes. this one is preventing me from moving off of the tmControls
>>>>>> navbar.
>>>>>>> * autowidth to the card width.
>>>>>>> but there are several others, as well
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>> 
>> https://quality.livecode.com/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=navigation%20bar&list_id=105904
>>>>>>> listen, i get it. i need to re-learn lcb and actually use it.
>>>>>>> but i also have force powers, so i know that someone is going to do
>>>> these
>>>>>>> things, before i do, and then i won't have to.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 2:39 PM Ralph DiMola via use-livecode <
>>>>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Mike,
>>>>>>>> I have used my own version of the navbar widget for years. I added
>> an
>>>>>>>> option to enlarge/vertically justify the icon if there is no label
>> and
>>>>>>>> eliminated the "new item" thingy. I think the stock widget already
>>>> lets
>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>> select the zero option. I added that back before the stock widget
>> let
>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>> do it. What changes/enhancements are you looking for?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I also have LCS routines to store the navbar options as a custom
>>>>>> property
>>>>>>>> array. I have handlers to add/delete/change option text and icons
>> via
>>>>>>>> script for a contextual UI. They are not documented or polished but
>> if
>>>>>>>> there is any interest I will look into it.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Ralph DiMola
>>>>>>>> IT Director
>>>>>>>> Evergreen Information Services
>>>>>>>> rdimola at evergreeninfo.net
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>>>>> subscription preferences:
>>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
>>>>> On the second day, God created the oceans.
>>>>> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>>>>> and did a little diving.
>>>>> And God said, "This is good."
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>>> subscription preferences:
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
>>> On the second day, God created the oceans.
>>> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>>>  and did a little diving.
>>> And God said, "This is good."
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
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> 
> -- 
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> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>   and did a little diving.
> And God said, "This is good."
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From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net  Fri Aug 26 11:54:27 2022
From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2022 11:54:27 -0400
Subject: Svg Icon Tool
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What if the widget had a property to disable the auto hilite on click and when the hiliteChanged message arrives you can set(or not) the hilite as appropriate via setting a widget property? A pre-message would be cleaner but this is not horrible.

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdimola at evergreeninfo.net


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Ok, then we need a full spec on how this would work.  It is not just the addition of a message.

To get what you are desiring, it would be most consistent to just add the mouse messages and the autoHilite property.

I would still want the silent option since that works most in the grain of the current functionality.

In your use case, you wouldn’t even use the hiliteChanged message.  You would just act based on the mouseUp after your checks.

>From a UI perspective, I think it makes more sense for the object to highlight on the touch and then revert on the mouseUp if not permitted.

> On Aug 26, 2022, at 9:28 AM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> you would have a property for autohilite, and if that is false, the 
> developer would be responsible for setting the hilite. that's the way 
> it's implemented with other controls.
> 
>> On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 9:23 AM Brian Milby via use-livecode < 
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> The silent update would allow that to happen in the hilitechanged handler.
>> 
>> I don’t know how you would implement a pre… message.  How would the 
>> widget know whether to proceed or not?  The two messages would fire 
>> almost simultaneously.  There also isn’t any way to tell the widget 
>> to cancel the highlight action, which would be needed.
>> 
>> A mouseDown message may work but would still need a way to cancel the 
>> highlight.  I think the silent change is the most seamless way to 
>> accomplish this task.
>> 
>> In general I think that normal mouse messages should be passed from 
>> widgets - even if they add specialized functionality with additional 
>> messages.  I don’t think they would solve this issue on their own though.
>> 
>> (I also did some work in this widget to add the nothing and multiple
>> selections)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 26, 2022, at 9:03 AM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> i don't think so. i want to be able to be able to intercept the 
>>> touch/click, and decide what to do. sometimes i want to ignore it.
>>> sometimes i want to throw up an error and not switch. sometimes i 
>>> want to do something else, first.
>>> 
>>>> On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 5:48 PM Brian Milby via use-livecode < 
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I think what we probably need is simply:
>>>> 
>>>> set the hilitedItemSilently of widget 1 to 1 Or set the 
>>>> hilitedItemWithoutMessage of widget 1 to 1
>>>> 
>>>> This would allow more elegant solutions to many of the raised issues.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Brian
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Aug 25, 2022, at 2:48 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> the two things that are glaring, imho are
>>>>> * [preHiliteChanged](
>> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23207)
>>>> -
>>>>> someone taps on a selection. i do a check, throw up a "nope", and
>> nothing
>>>>> changes. this one is preventing me from moving off of the 
>>>>> tmControls
>>>> navbar.
>>>>> * autowidth to the card width.
>>>>> but there are several others, as well
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>> https://quality.livecode.com/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=navigation%20bar
>> &list_id=105904
>>>>> listen, i get it. i need to re-learn lcb and actually use it.
>>>>> but i also have force powers, so i know that someone is going to 
>>>>> do
>> these
>>>>> things, before i do, and then i won't have to.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 2:39 PM Ralph DiMola via use-livecode < 
>>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Mike,
>>>>>> I have used my own version of the navbar widget for years. I 
>>>>>> added an option to enlarge/vertically justify the icon if there 
>>>>>> is no label and eliminated the "new item" thingy. I think the 
>>>>>> stock widget already
>> lets
>>>> you
>>>>>> select the zero option. I added that back before the stock widget 
>>>>>> let
>>>> you
>>>>>> do it. What changes/enhancements are you looking for?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I also have LCS routines to store the navbar options as a custom
>>>> property
>>>>>> array. I have handlers to add/delete/change option text and icons 
>>>>>> via script for a contextual UI. They are not documented or 
>>>>>> polished but if there is any interest I will look into it.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Ralph DiMola
>>>>>> IT Director
>>>>>> Evergreen Information Services
>>>>>> rdimola at evergreeninfo.net
>>>>>> 
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>>> 
>>> --
>>> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the 
>>> second day, God created the oceans.
>>> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,  and 
>>> did a little diving.
>>> And God said, "This is good."
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> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second 
> day, God created the oceans.
> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>   and did a little diving.
> And God said, "This is good."
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From brian at milby7.com  Fri Aug 26 13:13:00 2022
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2022 13:13:00 -0400
Subject: Svg Icon Tool
In-Reply-To: <003c01d8b964$22059910$6610cb30$@net>
References: <003c01d8b964$22059910$6610cb30$@net>
Message-ID: <90227B15-2B5C-48FB-B695-35C440F3DAA9@milby7.com>

I think that if auto highlight is disabled then hiliteChanged would never get triggered.  Having the back end highlight change without it visually changing would probably lead to confusion.


> On Aug 26, 2022, at 11:55 AM, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> What if the widget had a property to disable the auto hilite on click and when the hiliteChanged message arrives you can set(or not) the hilite as appropriate via setting a widget property? A pre-message would be cleaner but this is not horrible.
> 
> Ralph DiMola
> IT Director
> Evergreen Information Services
> rdimola at evergreeninfo.net


From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net  Fri Aug 26 15:25:15 2022
From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2022 15:25:15 -0400
Subject: Svg Icon Tool
In-Reply-To: <90227B15-2B5C-48FB-B695-35C440F3DAA9@milby7.com>
References: <003c01d8b964$22059910$6610cb30$@net>
 <90227B15-2B5C-48FB-B695-35C440F3DAA9@milby7.com>
Message-ID: <006101d8b981$94e1dee0$bea59ca0$@net>

I looked at the code and an auto hilite property could be added and the hiliteing could be disabled. It would be confusing but it would be allow one to control the hilite. I'm going to try it for laughs.

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdimola at evergreeninfo.net


-----Original Message-----
From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Brian Milby via use-livecode
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2022 1:13 PM
To: How to use LiveCode
Cc: Brian Milby
Subject: Re: Svg Icon Tool

I think that if auto highlight is disabled then hiliteChanged would never get triggered.  Having the back end highlight change without it visually changing would probably lead to confusion.


> On Aug 26, 2022, at 11:55 AM, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> What if the widget had a property to disable the auto hilite on click and when the hiliteChanged message arrives you can set(or not) the hilite as appropriate via setting a widget property? A pre-message would be cleaner but this is not horrible.
> 
> Ralph DiMola
> IT Director
> Evergreen Information Services
> rdimola at evergreeninfo.net

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From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Fri Aug 26 16:08:08 2022
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2022 16:08:08 -0400
Subject: Svg Icon Tool
In-Reply-To: <006101d8b981$94e1dee0$bea59ca0$@net>
References: <003c01d8b964$22059910$6610cb30$@net>
 <90227B15-2B5C-48FB-B695-35C440F3DAA9@milby7.com>
 <006101d8b981$94e1dee0$bea59ca0$@net>
Message-ID: <CADCoycOUb1P-16JvksJM2j=91VNw4-V3_trD1otzS1F_c0tc5g@mail.gmail.com>

i decided, yesterday, to go through the lcb lessons, again, because of this
issue (and wanting to deal with a couple of things in the iconPicker).
hopefully it'll be done and released before i finish the course, because
Stephen said that he's going to have a new version of powerButton out in
the morning, which will hopefully cause me to forget about this while i
play with that.

On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 3:26 PM Ralph DiMola via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I looked at the code and an auto hilite property could be added and the
> hiliteing could be disabled. It would be confusing but it would be allow
> one to control the hilite. I'm going to try it for laughs.
>
> Ralph DiMola
> IT Director
> Evergreen Information Services
> rdimola at evergreeninfo.net
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On
> Behalf Of Brian Milby via use-livecode
> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2022 1:13 PM
> To: How to use LiveCode
> Cc: Brian Milby
> Subject: Re: Svg Icon Tool
>
> I think that if auto highlight is disabled then hiliteChanged would never
> get triggered.  Having the back end highlight change without it visually
> changing would probably lead to confusion.
>
>
> > On Aug 26, 2022, at 11:55 AM, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > What if the widget had a property to disable the auto hilite on click
> and when the hiliteChanged message arrives you can set(or not) the hilite
> as appropriate via setting a widget property? A pre-message would be
> cleaner but this is not horrible.
> >
> > Ralph DiMola
> > IT Director
> > Evergreen Information Services
> > rdimola at evergreeninfo.net
>
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-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."

From Bernd.Niggemann at uni-wh.de  Fri Aug 26 16:25:08 2022
From: Bernd.Niggemann at uni-wh.de (Niggemann, Bernd)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2022 20:25:08 +0000
Subject: BN Guides
Message-ID: <19A751CC-F617-4659-A6D8-C79FA0DE3CE0@uni-wh.de>

Hi Bob,

There is an alternative for guide right now

https://livecodeshare.runrev.com/stack/1002/DevGuides-Plugin-Installer

and 10.0.0 DP4 has guides built-in. They look and work really well.

I will not develop bnGuides further since starting LC 10 they will be part of the IDE.
I liked the idea to push the concept of behaviors for guides. But maybe a bit too far.

Nevertheless the version of bnGuides Matthias linked to  in the Forum is one version step ahead of the one in Livecodeshare/Sample Stacks.

Kind regards
Bernd

From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Fri Aug 26 16:50:59 2022
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2022 16:50:59 -0400
Subject: Svg Icon Tool
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycOUb1P-16JvksJM2j=91VNw4-V3_trD1otzS1F_c0tc5g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <003c01d8b964$22059910$6610cb30$@net>
 <90227B15-2B5C-48FB-B695-35C440F3DAA9@milby7.com>
 <006101d8b981$94e1dee0$bea59ca0$@net>
 <CADCoycOUb1P-16JvksJM2j=91VNw4-V3_trD1otzS1F_c0tc5g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycMoprOFoNUNEmgr2daUN23MJ-tXxDfsxHZ1zH_OwdNn7A@mail.gmail.com>

sorry - STEVEN

On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 4:08 PM Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com>
wrote:

> i decided, yesterday, to go through the lcb lessons, again, because of
> this issue (and wanting to deal with a couple of things in the iconPicker).
> hopefully it'll be done and released before i finish the course, because
> Stephen said that he's going to have a new version of powerButton out in
> the morning, which will hopefully cause me to forget about this while i
> play with that.
>
> On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 3:26 PM Ralph DiMola via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> I looked at the code and an auto hilite property could be added and the
>> hiliteing could be disabled. It would be confusing but it would be allow
>> one to control the hilite. I'm going to try it for laughs.
>>
>> Ralph DiMola
>> IT Director
>> Evergreen Information Services
>> rdimola at evergreeninfo.net
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On
>> Behalf Of Brian Milby via use-livecode
>> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2022 1:13 PM
>> To: How to use LiveCode
>> Cc: Brian Milby
>> Subject: Re: Svg Icon Tool
>>
>> I think that if auto highlight is disabled then hiliteChanged would never
>> get triggered.  Having the back end highlight change without it visually
>> changing would probably lead to confusion.
>>
>>
>> > On Aug 26, 2022, at 11:55 AM, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > What if the widget had a property to disable the auto hilite on click
>> and when the hiliteChanged message arrives you can set(or not) the hilite
>> as appropriate via setting a widget property? A pre-message would be
>> cleaner but this is not horrible.
>> >
>> > Ralph DiMola
>> > IT Director
>> > Evergreen Information Services
>> > rdimola at evergreeninfo.net
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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>> subscription preferences:
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>
>
> --
> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>    and did a little diving.
> And God said, "This is good."
>


-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."

From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Aug 26 17:00:20 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2022 21:00:20 +0000
Subject: BN Guides
In-Reply-To: <19A751CC-F617-4659-A6D8-C79FA0DE3CE0@uni-wh.de>
References: <19A751CC-F617-4659-A6D8-C79FA0DE3CE0@uni-wh.de>
Message-ID: <F6B59A86-BA49-4939-A138-EB7223B03989@iotecdigital.com>

Works great. Thanks.

Bob S


On Aug 26, 2022, at 13:25 , Niggemann, Bernd via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com<mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:

Hi Bob,

There is an alternative for guide right now

https://livecodeshare.runrev.com/stack/1002/DevGuides-Plugin-Installer

and 10.0.0 DP4 has guides built-in. They look and work really well.

I will not develop bnGuides further since starting LC 10 they will be part of the IDE.
I liked the idea to push the concept of behaviors for guides. But maybe a bit too far.

Nevertheless the version of bnGuides Matthias linked to  in the Forum is one version step ahead of the one in Livecodeshare/Sample Stacks.

Kind regards
Bernd


From bobcole at earthlink.net  Fri Aug 26 17:10:31 2022
From: bobcole at earthlink.net (Bob Cole)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2022 16:10:31 -0500
Subject: addIcon issue
In-Reply-To: <F546ECF5-EA9E-4D13-8067-34800E36C96B@mac.com>
References: <F546ECF5-EA9E-4D13-8067-34800E36C96B@mac.com>
Message-ID: <F51E339E-3EDD-4525-9C32-AAB06ABFAF41@earthlink.net>

I added the test icon to the custom icon library. Now I want to delete it.
In the Dictionary for Icon SVG Library, I see there is a way to delete an entire icon family:  deleteIconFamily(pFamily) 
Is there a way to remove just one icon from a family?
Bob

From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Sun Aug 28 11:10:12 2022
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2022 11:10:12 -0400
Subject: addIcon issue
In-Reply-To: <F51E339E-3EDD-4525-9C32-AAB06ABFAF41@earthlink.net>
References: <F546ECF5-EA9E-4D13-8067-34800E36C96B@mac.com>
 <F51E339E-3EDD-4525-9C32-AAB06ABFAF41@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <CADCoycMt7bawn_qAGyXe9WAMgQQLmxA07MiMo6KVL1vOC-J3Bw@mail.gmail.com>

* icon operations are temporary (as soon as you quit LC and relaunch it,
the icons and families you add go away)
* there is no deleteIcon code in the icon api
* the icon api is
in /Contents/Tools/Extensions/com.livecode.library.iconsvg/iconsvg.lcb


On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 5:11 PM Bob Cole via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I added the test icon to the custom icon library. Now I want to delete it.
> In the Dictionary for Icon SVG Library, I see there is a way to delete an
> entire icon family:  deleteIconFamily(pFamily)
> Is there a way to remove just one icon from a family?
> Bob
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-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."

From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Sun Aug 28 12:58:27 2022
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2022 12:58:27 -0400
Subject: lcb missing manual
Message-ID: <CADCoycPt-rJbQCfrAG_zcb7MjNVar2aOBOLUqo8jxFKbcv=sMw@mail.gmail.com>

things for lcb that are supposedly documented, but i can't find:
* editor types (e.g. com.livecode.pi.number)
* other metadata definitions for properties, widgets, etc.)

-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."

From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Aug 28 13:05:32 2022
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2022 18:05:32 +0100
Subject: lcb missing manual
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycPt-rJbQCfrAG_zcb7MjNVar2aOBOLUqo8jxFKbcv=sMw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycPt-rJbQCfrAG_zcb7MjNVar2aOBOLUqo8jxFKbcv=sMw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAL3fwtiqjF8JPgAf-z5wn+cjV6ix=Ge9P8wiDUn=85tYmYJS8A@mail.gmail.com>

It would be good were there full documentation for LCB, and, preferably
with some sort of thematic search so, unlike the LiveCode dictionary one
did not have to flounder around so much working out what to search for.

On Sun, 28 Aug 2022, 18:00 Mike Kerner via use-livecode, <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> things for lcb that are supposedly documented, but i can't find:
> * editor types (e.g. com.livecode.pi.number)
> * other metadata definitions for properties, widgets, etc.)
>
> --
> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>    and did a little diving.
> And God said, "This is good."
> _______________________________________________
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> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Sun Aug 28 13:17:54 2022
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2022 10:17:54 -0700
Subject: lcb missing manual
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycPt-rJbQCfrAG_zcb7MjNVar2aOBOLUqo8jxFKbcv=sMw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycPt-rJbQCfrAG_zcb7MjNVar2aOBOLUqo8jxFKbcv=sMw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a20713f0-59f5-2fca-d610-c4f5d8bcf312@sonic.net>

On 8/28/22 09:58, Mike Kerner via use-livecode wrote:
> things for lcb that are supposedly documented, but i can't find:
> * editor types (e.g. com.livecode.pi.number)
> * other metadata definitions for properties, widgets, etc.)

...things that we use in LCS but aren't available in LCB:
colornames
switch statements
etc.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com


From gcanyon at gmail.com  Sun Aug 28 13:35:19 2022
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2022 10:35:19 -0700
Subject: Livecode / Github
In-Reply-To: <9860AEA8-BA22-4047-986E-A904AAB6AD47@pidigital.co.uk>
References: <CADCoycP9zp6XZkjYWyLYXLPY4S_r0pkz0PXkCtHy6SSd17SrEQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <9860AEA8-BA22-4047-986E-A904AAB6AD47@pidigital.co.uk>
Message-ID: <CAKCLKtr55nmwbHFLFRX65hAVj_LOtRHyxwMLqhxw2X-VUBPR4Q@mail.gmail.com>

The same applies to the code in Navigator. I wrote it about five years ago
when I was preparing to transform Navigator itself to use script behaviors.

Always work on a copy.

That said, it worked fine for Navigator, and no one has ever told me it
broke anything.

gc

On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 10:06 PM Pi Digital via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I tried scriptifier and it broke stuff so just be careful with it and
> check its output.
>
> Sean
>
>
> > On 19 Aug 2022, at 01:39, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hey Skip, long time...
> > I don't know if you were around when script-only-stack behaviors came
> into
> > being, but you can now rip all of the code out of your stacks and happily
> > use vc/git. The stacks themselves are still binary (although several of
> us
> > have been messing with dumping that paradigm completely, it's less
> > practical than I would have hoped, as of today).
> > Navigator will export every script in a project into behavior stacks, and
> > Monte wrote a stack called "Scriptifier", if memory serves. It's embedded
> > in the LC bundle, and it does the same thing, namely extracting all the
> > scripts out of a project and putting them into .livecodescript text
> files.
> > Levure is great. I have used it with every project I've worked on for
> > several years, BUT you don't have to use it to go this route.
> >
> >> On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 7:04 PM Martin Koob via use-livecode <
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi SKIP
> >>
> >> Welcome back to the list!
> >>
> >> There is Levure which I knew of as a third party application framework
> >> created by Trevor DeVore but I just did a search for it and I see it
> now on
> >> the LiveCode website described as an App Collaboration Framework.
> >> https://livecode.com/products/livecode-platform/levure/ <
> >> https://livecode.com/products/livecode-platform/levure/>  So it must
> have
> >> at some point migrated to the mother ship.
> >>
> >> I haven’t used it but I have considered migrating my application to it.
> >> It works with version control systems as long as you follow its
> >> recommendations about how to organize your code into behaviours that are
> >> stored in script only stacks which are just text files that a version
> >> control system can read (These are somewhat new so depending on when you
> >> last used LiveCode they may be new to you.)  This was an enhancement
> that
> >> has enabled the use of version control for scripts in a project. It is
> the
> >> binary stacks that versions control systems can’t track so in Levure
> those
> >> are just used for user interface.
> >>
> >> Hope this helps.
> >>
> >> Martin
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Aug 18, 2022, at 6:38 PM, Skip Kimpel via use-livecode <
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Greetings!
> >>>
> >>> Been a while since I have been on this list.  Working on a new project
> >> and
> >>> wondering if the backing up of Livecode files to Github was ever
> >>> implemented and created.  I know there was talk of it at one time.
> >>>
> >>> I apologize if it has been in place for a while and I am just out of
> the
> >>> loop.  Actually, I HOPE that is the case!
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>>
> >>> SKIP
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> use-livecode mailing list
> >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> >> subscription preferences:
> >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> use-livecode mailing list
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> >> subscription preferences:
> >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> > On the second day, God created the oceans.
> > On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
> >   and did a little diving.
> > And God said, "This is good."
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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From gcanyon at gmail.com  Sun Aug 28 13:38:06 2022
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2022 10:38:06 -0700
Subject: BN Guides
In-Reply-To: <2B813B89-5BA5-4C48-8B36-35BBE9344B07@iotecdigital.com>
References: <2B813B89-5BA5-4C48-8B36-35BBE9344B07@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CAKCLKtp7xtjPORrV8vciYqf3OgZ_TTxww2Soe7my-Zk8Xi_HCA@mail.gmail.com>

Where are the BN guides? I'd be curious to see how this is happening. As I
recall, Navigator is designed to dive through whatever behaviors are set
regardless of how deep the rabbit hole goes to find the actual behavior,
but I haven't looked at that part of the code in years.

gc

On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 8:26 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Who wrote BN Guides? Very cool, but there is a conflict with Navigator.
> When I double-click an object in Navigator to open it's script, I get t he
> BNGuides script instead.
>
> Bob S
>
>
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> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Sun Aug 28 14:06:39 2022
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2022 14:06:39 -0400
Subject: lcb missing manual
In-Reply-To: <a20713f0-59f5-2fca-d610-c4f5d8bcf312@sonic.net>
References: <CADCoycPt-rJbQCfrAG_zcb7MjNVar2aOBOLUqo8jxFKbcv=sMw@mail.gmail.com>
 <a20713f0-59f5-2fca-d610-c4f5d8bcf312@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <CADCoycNA_c3_jn8KufJWE2=012=X37nT9m22xREk0ykeK2kxNQ@mail.gmail.com>

the lcb documentation, especially in the api widget is ungreat.
the good news is that as long as there is an oss repo version of LC, you
can hunt for some of the information that is missing. AND, at least for
now, you can still find much of it in the LC application
example: as i was hunting, i found a bunch of editors, but none of them
seem to be documented anywhere obvious.

On Sun, Aug 28, 2022 at 1:18 PM Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> On 8/28/22 09:58, Mike Kerner via use-livecode wrote:
> > things for lcb that are supposedly documented, but i can't find:
> > * editor types (e.g. com.livecode.pi.number)
> > * other metadata definitions for properties, widgets, etc.)
>
> ...things that we use in LCS but aren't available in LCB:
> colornames
> switch statements
> etc.
>
> --
>   Mark Wieder
>   ahsoftware at gmail.com
>
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> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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> subscription preferences:
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-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."

From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Sun Aug 28 14:25:59 2022
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2022 11:25:59 -0700
Subject: lcb missing manual
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycNA_c3_jn8KufJWE2=012=X37nT9m22xREk0ykeK2kxNQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycPt-rJbQCfrAG_zcb7MjNVar2aOBOLUqo8jxFKbcv=sMw@mail.gmail.com>
 <a20713f0-59f5-2fca-d610-c4f5d8bcf312@sonic.net>
 <CADCoycNA_c3_jn8KufJWE2=012=X37nT9m22xREk0ykeK2kxNQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <33692627-5f0a-25ff-c4a8-5664e460a7cb@sonic.net>

On 8/28/22 11:06, Mike Kerner wrote:
> the lcb documentation, especially in the api widget is ungreat.
> the good news is that as long as there is an oss repo version of LC, you 
> can hunt for some of the information that is missing. AND, at least for 
> now, you can still find much of it in the LC application
> example: as i was hunting, i found a bunch of editors, but none of them 
> seem to be documented anywhere obvious.

Yep - I find most of my documentation by digging.

The lack of colornames just bit me earlier this week and I had to 
backpedal and code a list of a dozen color names as "R,G,B". Even the 
"#FFFFFF" format isn't accepted.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com


From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Sun Aug 28 15:05:44 2022
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2022 21:05:44 +0200
Subject: BN Guides
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKtp7xtjPORrV8vciYqf3OgZ_TTxww2Soe7my-Zk8Xi_HCA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2B813B89-5BA5-4C48-8B36-35BBE9344B07@iotecdigital.com>
 <CAKCLKtp7xtjPORrV8vciYqf3OgZ_TTxww2Soe7my-Zk8Xi_HCA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A70F5473-A27C-43DE-9FB0-82A46BC4176C@m-r-d.de>

Geoff,

you can find the most current version here

https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=31920 <https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=31920>


Regards,
Matthias


> Am 28.08.2022 um 19:38 schrieb Geoff Canyon via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>>:
> 
> Where are the BN guides? I'd be curious to see how this is happening. As I
> recall, Navigator is designed to dive through whatever behaviors are set
> regardless of how deep the rabbit hole goes to find the actual behavior,
> but I haven't looked at that part of the code in years.
> 
> gc
> 
> On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 8:26 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
> 
>> Who wrote BN Guides? Very cool, but there is a conflict with Navigator.
>> When I double-click an object in Navigator to open it's script, I get t he
>> BNGuides script instead.
>> 
>> Bob S
>> 
>> 
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From gcanyon at gmail.com  Sun Aug 28 15:29:27 2022
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2022 12:29:27 -0700
Subject: Livecode / Github
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKtr55nmwbHFLFRX65hAVj_LOtRHyxwMLqhxw2X-VUBPR4Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycP9zp6XZkjYWyLYXLPY4S_r0pkz0PXkCtHy6SSd17SrEQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <9860AEA8-BA22-4047-986E-A904AAB6AD47@pidigital.co.uk>
 <CAKCLKtr55nmwbHFLFRX65hAVj_LOtRHyxwMLqhxw2X-VUBPR4Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKCLKtp2N49WGjVsO8w9CE=evqsvBrdWdoooawF_Mc4UQNiqSQ@mail.gmail.com>

To be clear: if anyone wants to try Navigator's export to script behaviors
function -- work on a copy, and I'd love feedback.

On Sun, Aug 28, 2022 at 10:35 AM Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at gmail.com> wrote:

> The same applies to the code in Navigator. I wrote it about five years ago
> when I was preparing to transform Navigator itself to use script behaviors.
>
> Always work on a copy.
>
> That said, it worked fine for Navigator, and no one has ever told me it
> broke anything.
>
> gc
>
> On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 10:06 PM Pi Digital via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> I tried scriptifier and it broke stuff so just be careful with it and
>> check its output.
>>
>> Sean
>>
>>
>> > On 19 Aug 2022, at 01:39, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hey Skip, long time...
>> > I don't know if you were around when script-only-stack behaviors came
>> into
>> > being, but you can now rip all of the code out of your stacks and
>> happily
>> > use vc/git. The stacks themselves are still binary (although several of
>> us
>> > have been messing with dumping that paradigm completely, it's less
>> > practical than I would have hoped, as of today).
>> > Navigator will export every script in a project into behavior stacks,
>> and
>> > Monte wrote a stack called "Scriptifier", if memory serves. It's
>> embedded
>> > in the LC bundle, and it does the same thing, namely extracting all the
>> > scripts out of a project and putting them into .livecodescript text
>> files.
>> > Levure is great. I have used it with every project I've worked on for
>> > several years, BUT you don't have to use it to go this route.
>> >
>> >> On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 7:04 PM Martin Koob via use-livecode <
>> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hi SKIP
>> >>
>> >> Welcome back to the list!
>> >>
>> >> There is Levure which I knew of as a third party application framework
>> >> created by Trevor DeVore but I just did a search for it and I see it
>> now on
>> >> the LiveCode website described as an App Collaboration Framework.
>> >> https://livecode.com/products/livecode-platform/levure/ <
>> >> https://livecode.com/products/livecode-platform/levure/>  So it must
>> have
>> >> at some point migrated to the mother ship.
>> >>
>> >> I haven’t used it but I have considered migrating my application to it.
>> >> It works with version control systems as long as you follow its
>> >> recommendations about how to organize your code into behaviours that
>> are
>> >> stored in script only stacks which are just text files that a version
>> >> control system can read (These are somewhat new so depending on when
>> you
>> >> last used LiveCode they may be new to you.)  This was an enhancement
>> that
>> >> has enabled the use of version control for scripts in a project. It is
>> the
>> >> binary stacks that versions control systems can’t track so in Levure
>> those
>> >> are just used for user interface.
>> >>
>> >> Hope this helps.
>> >>
>> >> Martin
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> On Aug 18, 2022, at 6:38 PM, Skip Kimpel via use-livecode <
>> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Greetings!
>> >>>
>> >>> Been a while since I have been on this list.  Working on a new project
>> >> and
>> >>> wondering if the backing up of Livecode files to Github was ever
>> >>> implemented and created.  I know there was talk of it at one time.
>> >>>
>> >>> I apologize if it has been in place for a while and I am just out of
>> the
>> >>> loop.  Actually, I HOPE that is the case!
>> >>>
>> >>> Regards,
>> >>>
>> >>> SKIP
>> >>> _______________________________________________
>> >>> use-livecode mailing list
>> >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> >> subscription preferences:
>> >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> >>
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> use-livecode mailing list
>> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> >> subscription preferences:
>> >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
>> > On the second day, God created the oceans.
>> > On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>> >   and did a little diving.
>> > And God said, "This is good."
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > use-livecode mailing list
>> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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>> subscription preferences:
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>

From neville.smythe at optusnet.com.au  Sun Aug 28 19:04:49 2022
From: neville.smythe at optusnet.com.au (Neville Smythe)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2022 09:04:49 +1000
Subject: SVG Icon tool query
Message-ID: <2CE89FAF-15FB-4AF0-B486-CC2575B911B5@optusnet.com.au>

Many thanks to Brian for sharing the fantastic collection of icons included in this tool. Can I enquire as to the copyright status of the images?

Neville




From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Sun Aug 28 19:18:43 2022
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2022 19:18:43 -0400
Subject: SVG Icon tool query
In-Reply-To: <2CE89FAF-15FB-4AF0-B486-CC2575B911B5@optusnet.com.au>
References: <2CE89FAF-15FB-4AF0-B486-CC2575B911B5@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <CADCoycMSgQ5VGvJ=ZtA-f43t6Eao+wwUz8NoXMneWgomE1o6pQ@mail.gmail.com>

I looked at the source that Brian says he used in his repo (
https://github.com/leungwensen/svg-icon). I don't see any copyright listed
on that site, but it has all of the libraries linked to it...but then at
least the first one (Ant) doesn't seem to have any license listed anywhere,
either.

On Sun, Aug 28, 2022 at 7:06 PM Neville Smythe via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Many thanks to Brian for sharing the fantastic collection of icons
> included in this tool. Can I enquire as to the copyright status of the
> images?
>
> Neville
>
>
>
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-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."

From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Sun Aug 28 19:22:06 2022
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2022 19:22:06 -0400
Subject: Svg Icon Tool
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycMoprOFoNUNEmgr2daUN23MJ-tXxDfsxHZ1zH_OwdNn7A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <003c01d8b964$22059910$6610cb30$@net>
 <90227B15-2B5C-48FB-B695-35C440F3DAA9@milby7.com>
 <006101d8b981$94e1dee0$bea59ca0$@net>
 <CADCoycOUb1P-16JvksJM2j=91VNw4-V3_trD1otzS1F_c0tc5g@mail.gmail.com>
 <CADCoycMoprOFoNUNEmgr2daUN23MJ-tXxDfsxHZ1zH_OwdNn7A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycOvbGvREio8gyjPMJG_Qf_D8i=UjeiOq1NOOYWyNPwzbQ@mail.gmail.com>

Interesting:
Steven/LC also made a cool demo of the polyList for displaying the svg icon
families and icons that are currently in LC. It's called "SVGIconList", and
it uses a total of... 23 lines of code.

On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 4:50 PM Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com>
wrote:

> sorry - STEVEN
>
> On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 4:08 PM Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com>
> wrote:
>
>> i decided, yesterday, to go through the lcb lessons, again, because of
>> this issue (and wanting to deal with a couple of things in the iconPicker).
>> hopefully it'll be done and released before i finish the course, because
>> Stephen said that he's going to have a new version of powerButton out in
>> the morning, which will hopefully cause me to forget about this while i
>> play with that.
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 3:26 PM Ralph DiMola via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I looked at the code and an auto hilite property could be added and the
>>> hiliteing could be disabled. It would be confusing but it would be allow
>>> one to control the hilite. I'm going to try it for laughs.
>>>
>>> Ralph DiMola
>>> IT Director
>>> Evergreen Information Services
>>> rdimola at evergreeninfo.net
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On
>>> Behalf Of Brian Milby via use-livecode
>>> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2022 1:13 PM
>>> To: How to use LiveCode
>>> Cc: Brian Milby
>>> Subject: Re: Svg Icon Tool
>>>
>>> I think that if auto highlight is disabled then hiliteChanged would
>>> never get triggered.  Having the back end highlight change without it
>>> visually changing would probably lead to confusion.
>>>
>>>
>>> > On Aug 26, 2022, at 11:55 AM, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode <
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > What if the widget had a property to disable the auto hilite on click
>>> and when the hiliteChanged message arrives you can set(or not) the hilite
>>> as appropriate via setting a widget property? A pre-message would be
>>> cleaner but this is not horrible.
>>> >
>>> > Ralph DiMola
>>> > IT Director
>>> > Evergreen Information Services
>>> > rdimola at evergreeninfo.net
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>> subscription preferences:
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>>>
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>>> subscription preferences:
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>>
>>
>> --
>> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
>> On the second day, God created the oceans.
>> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>>    and did a little diving.
>> And God said, "This is good."
>>
>
>
> --
> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>    and did a little diving.
> And God said, "This is good."
>


-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."

From sean at pidigital.co.uk  Sun Aug 28 21:30:15 2022
From: sean at pidigital.co.uk (Pi Digital)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2022 02:30:15 +0100
Subject: Livecode / Github
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKtp2N49WGjVsO8w9CE=evqsvBrdWdoooawF_Mc4UQNiqSQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKtp2N49WGjVsO8w9CE=evqsvBrdWdoooawF_Mc4UQNiqSQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9ECE2480-BAAB-4E8A-B97D-70F2153A91C3@pidigital.co.uk>

It will be good to see, once available, how using the new SmartCrumbs add on will help with this. All objects in JSON form and then use stack scripts (and htmlText, AudioClip and VideoClip data) in your GitHub repository. This is something I really want to start implementing. 

Sean


> On 28 Aug 2022, at 20:29, Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> To be clear: if anyone wants to try Navigator's export to script behaviors function -- work on a copy, and I'd love feedback.
> 
>> On Sun, Aug 28, 2022 at 10:35 AM Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at gmail.com> wrote:
>> The same applies to the code in Navigator. I wrote it about five years ago when I was preparing to transform Navigator itself to use script behaviors. 
>> 
>> Always work on a copy.
>> 
>> That said, it worked fine for Navigator, and no one has ever told me it broke anything.
>> 
>> gc
>> 
>>> On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 10:06 PM Pi Digital via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> I tried scriptifier and it broke stuff so just be careful with it and check its output. 
>>> 
>>> Sean
>>> 
>>> 
>>> > On 19 Aug 2022, at 01:39, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> > 
>>> > Hey Skip, long time...
>>> > I don't know if you were around when script-only-stack behaviors came into
>>> > being, but you can now rip all of the code out of your stacks and happily
>>> > use vc/git. The stacks themselves are still binary (although several of us
>>> > have been messing with dumping that paradigm completely, it's less
>>> > practical than I would have hoped, as of today).
>>> > Navigator will export every script in a project into behavior stacks, and
>>> > Monte wrote a stack called "Scriptifier", if memory serves. It's embedded
>>> > in the LC bundle, and it does the same thing, namely extracting all the
>>> > scripts out of a project and putting them into .livecodescript text files.
>>> > Levure is great. I have used it with every project I've worked on for
>>> > several years, BUT you don't have to use it to go this route.
>>> > 
>>> >> On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 7:04 PM Martin Koob via use-livecode <
>>> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> >> 
>>> >> Hi SKIP
>>> >> 
>>> >> Welcome back to the list!
>>> >> 
>>> >> There is Levure which I knew of as a third party application framework
>>> >> created by Trevor DeVore but I just did a search for it and I see it now on
>>> >> the LiveCode website described as an App Collaboration Framework.
>>> >> https://livecode.com/products/livecode-platform/levure/ <
>>> >> https://livecode.com/products/livecode-platform/levure/>  So it must have
>>> >> at some point migrated to the mother ship.
>>> >> 
>>> >> I haven’t used it but I have considered migrating my application to it.
>>> >> It works with version control systems as long as you follow its
>>> >> recommendations about how to organize your code into behaviours that are
>>> >> stored in script only stacks which are just text files that a version
>>> >> control system can read (These are somewhat new so depending on when you
>>> >> last used LiveCode they may be new to you.)  This was an enhancement that
>>> >> has enabled the use of version control for scripts in a project. It is the
>>> >> binary stacks that versions control systems can’t track so in Levure those
>>> >> are just used for user interface.
>>> >> 
>>> >> Hope this helps.
>>> >> 
>>> >> Martin
>>> >> 
>>> >> 
>>> >>> On Aug 18, 2022, at 6:38 PM, Skip Kimpel via use-livecode <
>>> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> >>> 
>>> >>> Greetings!
>>> >>> 
>>> >>> Been a while since I have been on this list.  Working on a new project
>>> >> and
>>> >>> wondering if the backing up of Livecode files to Github was ever
>>> >>> implemented and created.  I know there was talk of it at one time.
>>> >>> 
>>> >>> I apologize if it has been in place for a while and I am just out of the
>>> >>> loop.  Actually, I HOPE that is the case!
>>> >>> 
>>> >>> Regards,
>>> >>> 
>>> >>> SKIP
>>> >>> _______________________________________________
>>> >>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>> >> subscription preferences:
>>> >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>> >> 
>>> >> _______________________________________________
>>> >> use-livecode mailing list
>>> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>> >> subscription preferences:
>>> >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>> >> 
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> > -- 
>>> > On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
>>> > On the second day, God created the oceans.
>>> > On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>>> >   and did a little diving.
>>> > And God said, "This is good."
>>> > _______________________________________________
>>> > use-livecode mailing list
>>> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>>> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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From brian at milby7.com  Sun Aug 28 23:45:07 2022
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2022 23:45:07 -0400
Subject: Livecode / Github
In-Reply-To: <9ECE2480-BAAB-4E8A-B97D-70F2153A91C3@pidigital.co.uk>
References: <CAKCLKtp2N49WGjVsO8w9CE=evqsvBrdWdoooawF_Mc4UQNiqSQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <9ECE2480-BAAB-4E8A-B97D-70F2153A91C3@pidigital.co.uk>
Message-ID: <CA+yhkRZQoNx0mvuNyDVr08zeERV5W_Zg3aSbZ+=cV5AXGrtBWA@mail.gmail.com>

If you want to see what the JSON export looks like for a fairly small
stack, you can view this:
https://github.com/bwmilby/SvgIconTool/blob/main/smartcrumbs/SvgIconTool.livecode.sc/stackFileProperties.json

Unfortunately you will need to download and view it with something that
understands the CR line ending since GitHub doesn't.  That repo has both
ScriptTracker exports and SmartCrumbs exports of the stack.  The former is
designed with two things in mind:  allowing changes in the scripts that are
part of a binary stack to be tracked and allowing the editing of those
scripts in an external editor (I like Atom for the linting, have not tried
the newer option).  The latter looks to be a way to completely decompose a
stack into mostly text files (images being one exception) that can be
tracked (and in theory changes merged together I'm guessing).

Since the JSON file is keyed off of the GUIDs of each object, it really
doesn't lend itself to human inspection.  Assuming line endings are sane
(probably would work for Windows and definitely will work for Linux), Git
should easily be able to track the changes.  Whether someone could easily
discern which object was being touched is another matter (which would be
necessary to merge changes together).

On Sun, Aug 28, 2022 at 9:31 PM Pi Digital via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> It will be good to see, once available, how using the new SmartCrumbs add
> on will help with this. All objects in JSON form and then use stack scripts
> (and htmlText, AudioClip and VideoClip data) in your GitHub repository.
> This is something I really want to start implementing.
>
> Sean
>
>
> > On 28 Aug 2022, at 20:29, Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > To be clear: if anyone wants to try Navigator's export to script
> behaviors function -- work on a copy, and I'd love feedback.
> >
> >> On Sun, Aug 28, 2022 at 10:35 AM Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> The same applies to the code in Navigator. I wrote it about five years
> ago when I was preparing to transform Navigator itself to use script
> behaviors.
> >>
> >> Always work on a copy.
> >>
> >> That said, it worked fine for Navigator, and no one has ever told me it
> broke anything.
> >>
> >> gc
> >>
> >>> On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 10:06 PM Pi Digital via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>> I tried scriptifier and it broke stuff so just be careful with it and
> check its output.
> >>>
> >>> Sean
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> > On 19 Aug 2022, at 01:39, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> > Hey Skip, long time...
> >>> > I don't know if you were around when script-only-stack behaviors
> came into
> >>> > being, but you can now rip all of the code out of your stacks and
> happily
> >>> > use vc/git. The stacks themselves are still binary (although several
> of us
> >>> > have been messing with dumping that paradigm completely, it's less
> >>> > practical than I would have hoped, as of today).
> >>> > Navigator will export every script in a project into behavior
> stacks, and
> >>> > Monte wrote a stack called "Scriptifier", if memory serves. It's
> embedded
> >>> > in the LC bundle, and it does the same thing, namely extracting all
> the
> >>> > scripts out of a project and putting them into .livecodescript text
> files.
> >>> > Levure is great. I have used it with every project I've worked on for
> >>> > several years, BUT you don't have to use it to go this route.
> >>> >
> >>> >> On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 7:04 PM Martin Koob via use-livecode <
> >>> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Hi SKIP
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Welcome back to the list!
> >>> >>
> >>> >> There is Levure which I knew of as a third party application
> framework
> >>> >> created by Trevor DeVore but I just did a search for it and I see
> it now on
> >>> >> the LiveCode website described as an App Collaboration Framework.
> >>> >> https://livecode.com/products/livecode-platform/levure/ <
> >>> >> https://livecode.com/products/livecode-platform/levure/>  So it
> must have
> >>> >> at some point migrated to the mother ship.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> I haven’t used it but I have considered migrating my application to
> it.
> >>> >> It works with version control systems as long as you follow its
> >>> >> recommendations about how to organize your code into behaviours
> that are
> >>> >> stored in script only stacks which are just text files that a
> version
> >>> >> control system can read (These are somewhat new so depending on
> when you
> >>> >> last used LiveCode they may be new to you.)  This was an
> enhancement that
> >>> >> has enabled the use of version control for scripts in a project. It
> is the
> >>> >> binary stacks that versions control systems can’t track so in
> Levure those
> >>> >> are just used for user interface.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Hope this helps.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Martin
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>> On Aug 18, 2022, at 6:38 PM, Skip Kimpel via use-livecode <
> >>> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> Greetings!
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> Been a while since I have been on this list.  Working on a new
> project
> >>> >> and
> >>> >>> wondering if the backing up of Livecode files to Github was ever
> >>> >>> implemented and created.  I know there was talk of it at one time.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> I apologize if it has been in place for a while and I am just out
> of the
> >>> >>> loop.  Actually, I HOPE that is the case!
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> Regards,
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> SKIP
> >>> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> >>> use-livecode mailing list
> >>> >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >>> >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> >>> >> subscription preferences:
> >>> >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >>> >>
> >>> >> _______________________________________________
> >>> >> use-livecode mailing list
> >>> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >>> >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> >>> >> subscription preferences:
> >>> >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >>> >>
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > --
> >>> > On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> >>> > On the second day, God created the oceans.
> >>> > On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
> >>> >   and did a little diving.
> >>> > And God said, "This is good."
> >>> > _______________________________________________
> >>> > use-livecode mailing list
> >>> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >>> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> >>> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> use-livecode mailing list
> >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
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>

From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Mon Aug 29 09:04:57 2022
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2022 09:04:57 -0400
Subject: Livecode / Github
In-Reply-To: <CA+yhkRZQoNx0mvuNyDVr08zeERV5W_Zg3aSbZ+=cV5AXGrtBWA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKtp2N49WGjVsO8w9CE=evqsvBrdWdoooawF_Mc4UQNiqSQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <9ECE2480-BAAB-4E8A-B97D-70F2153A91C3@pidigital.co.uk>
 <CA+yhkRZQoNx0mvuNyDVr08zeERV5W_Zg3aSbZ+=cV5AXGrtBWA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycMZLiZJ9pdaKf=qmGBVQL3TyxghXtNozCdf3JZ3tQQNQA@mail.gmail.com>

I would love for us to get to a place where we could have it both ways.

On Sun, Aug 28, 2022 at 11:46 PM Brian Milby via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> If you want to see what the JSON export looks like for a fairly small
> stack, you can view this:
>
> https://github.com/bwmilby/SvgIconTool/blob/main/smartcrumbs/SvgIconTool.livecode.sc/stackFileProperties.json
>
> Unfortunately you will need to download and view it with something that
> understands the CR line ending since GitHub doesn't.  That repo has both
> ScriptTracker exports and SmartCrumbs exports of the stack.  The former is
> designed with two things in mind:  allowing changes in the scripts that are
> part of a binary stack to be tracked and allowing the editing of those
> scripts in an external editor (I like Atom for the linting, have not tried
> the newer option).  The latter looks to be a way to completely decompose a
> stack into mostly text files (images being one exception) that can be
> tracked (and in theory changes merged together I'm guessing).
>
> Since the JSON file is keyed off of the GUIDs of each object, it really
> doesn't lend itself to human inspection.  Assuming line endings are sane
> (probably would work for Windows and definitely will work for Linux), Git
> should easily be able to track the changes.  Whether someone could easily
> discern which object was being touched is another matter (which would be
> necessary to merge changes together).
>
> On Sun, Aug 28, 2022 at 9:31 PM Pi Digital via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > It will be good to see, once available, how using the new SmartCrumbs add
> > on will help with this. All objects in JSON form and then use stack
> scripts
> > (and htmlText, AudioClip and VideoClip data) in your GitHub repository.
> > This is something I really want to start implementing.
> >
> > Sean
> >
> >
> > > On 28 Aug 2022, at 20:29, Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > To be clear: if anyone wants to try Navigator's export to script
> > behaviors function -- work on a copy, and I'd love feedback.
> > >
> > >> On Sun, Aug 28, 2022 at 10:35 AM Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >> The same applies to the code in Navigator. I wrote it about five years
> > ago when I was preparing to transform Navigator itself to use script
> > behaviors.
> > >>
> > >> Always work on a copy.
> > >>
> > >> That said, it worked fine for Navigator, and no one has ever told me
> it
> > broke anything.
> > >>
> > >> gc
> > >>
> > >>> On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 10:06 PM Pi Digital via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >>> I tried scriptifier and it broke stuff so just be careful with it and
> > check its output.
> > >>>
> > >>> Sean
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> > On 19 Aug 2022, at 01:39, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >>> >
> > >>> > Hey Skip, long time...
> > >>> > I don't know if you were around when script-only-stack behaviors
> > came into
> > >>> > being, but you can now rip all of the code out of your stacks and
> > happily
> > >>> > use vc/git. The stacks themselves are still binary (although
> several
> > of us
> > >>> > have been messing with dumping that paradigm completely, it's less
> > >>> > practical than I would have hoped, as of today).
> > >>> > Navigator will export every script in a project into behavior
> > stacks, and
> > >>> > Monte wrote a stack called "Scriptifier", if memory serves. It's
> > embedded
> > >>> > in the LC bundle, and it does the same thing, namely extracting all
> > the
> > >>> > scripts out of a project and putting them into .livecodescript text
> > files.
> > >>> > Levure is great. I have used it with every project I've worked on
> for
> > >>> > several years, BUT you don't have to use it to go this route.
> > >>> >
> > >>> >> On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 7:04 PM Martin Koob via use-livecode <
> > >>> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >> Hi SKIP
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >> Welcome back to the list!
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >> There is Levure which I knew of as a third party application
> > framework
> > >>> >> created by Trevor DeVore but I just did a search for it and I see
> > it now on
> > >>> >> the LiveCode website described as an App Collaboration Framework.
> > >>> >> https://livecode.com/products/livecode-platform/levure/ <
> > >>> >> https://livecode.com/products/livecode-platform/levure/>  So it
> > must have
> > >>> >> at some point migrated to the mother ship.
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >> I haven’t used it but I have considered migrating my application
> to
> > it.
> > >>> >> It works with version control systems as long as you follow its
> > >>> >> recommendations about how to organize your code into behaviours
> > that are
> > >>> >> stored in script only stacks which are just text files that a
> > version
> > >>> >> control system can read (These are somewhat new so depending on
> > when you
> > >>> >> last used LiveCode they may be new to you.)  This was an
> > enhancement that
> > >>> >> has enabled the use of version control for scripts in a project.
> It
> > is the
> > >>> >> binary stacks that versions control systems can’t track so in
> > Levure those
> > >>> >> are just used for user interface.
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >> Hope this helps.
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >> Martin
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >>> On Aug 18, 2022, at 6:38 PM, Skip Kimpel via use-livecode <
> > >>> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >>> >>>
> > >>> >>> Greetings!
> > >>> >>>
> > >>> >>> Been a while since I have been on this list.  Working on a new
> > project
> > >>> >> and
> > >>> >>> wondering if the backing up of Livecode files to Github was ever
> > >>> >>> implemented and created.  I know there was talk of it at one
> time.
> > >>> >>>
> > >>> >>> I apologize if it has been in place for a while and I am just out
> > of the
> > >>> >>> loop.  Actually, I HOPE that is the case!
> > >>> >>>
> > >>> >>> Regards,
> > >>> >>>
> > >>> >>> SKIP
> > >>> >>> _______________________________________________
> > >>> >>> use-livecode mailing list
> > >>> >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > >>> >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > >>> >> subscription preferences:
> > >>> >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >> _______________________________________________
> > >>> >> use-livecode mailing list
> > >>> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > >>> >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > >>> >> subscription preferences:
> > >>> >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >
> > >>> >
> > >>> > --
> > >>> > On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> > >>> > On the second day, God created the oceans.
> > >>> > On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
> > >>> >   and did a little diving.
> > >>> > And God said, "This is good."
> > >>> > _______________________________________________
> > >>> > use-livecode mailing list
> > >>> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > >>> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > subscription preferences:
> > >>> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> > >>> _______________________________________________
> > >>> use-livecode mailing list
> > >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > subscription preferences:
> > >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > subscription preferences:
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-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."

From gcanyon at gmail.com  Mon Aug 29 11:26:58 2022
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2022 08:26:58 -0700
Subject: BN Guides
In-Reply-To: <A70F5473-A27C-43DE-9FB0-82A46BC4176C@m-r-d.de>
References: <2B813B89-5BA5-4C48-8B36-35BBE9344B07@iotecdigital.com>
 <CAKCLKtp7xtjPORrV8vciYqf3OgZ_TTxww2Soe7my-Zk8Xi_HCA@mail.gmail.com>
 <A70F5473-A27C-43DE-9FB0-82A46BC4176C@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <CAKCLKtqrje5JDDsPS4fS9raph+ATKf08DpzvFsyYHcZak=QR5Q@mail.gmail.com>

Okay, so it looks like BN Guides works by assigning behaviors to controls
and temporarily adding controls to your stack as you drag things. I think
this is meant to be transient as you drag controls. Navigator out of the
box assumes that behaviors are what you're interested in when you
double-click to edit a script, so if BN Guides has assigned a behavior, it
opens the script BN Guides assigns as the behavior.

If I'm right and the assignment of behaviors is supposed to be the case
only while you're dragging, then simply deselecting the dragged controls
should correct this.

If there's an issue with BN Guides, or you want to be *sure* to open the
control's script, and not a behavior, you can:

1. In Navigator Preferences, you can choose what to do on double-click --
and double-click with many modifier keys. If all of your scripts are in the
actual controls, then select "Edit Script" for "Double-click" instead of
the default "
2. Right-click a command-bar and select "Edit Script" as the action for
that command bar, and then click it to edit the control's script.

At some point I considered updating the script menu to display all the
controls in the behavior chain. Anyone feel free to let me know if that's a
necessary thing.

gc

On Sun, Aug 28, 2022 at 12:06 PM matthias rebbe via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Geoff,
>
> you can find the most current version here
>
> https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=31920 <
> https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=31920>
>
>
> Regards,
> Matthias
>
>
> > Am 28.08.2022 um 19:38 schrieb Geoff Canyon via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>>:
> >
> > Where are the BN guides? I'd be curious to see how this is happening. As
> I
> > recall, Navigator is designed to dive through whatever behaviors are set
> > regardless of how deep the rabbit hole goes to find the actual behavior,
> > but I haven't looked at that part of the code in years.
> >
> > gc
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 8:26 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Who wrote BN Guides? Very cool, but there is a conflict with Navigator.
> >> When I double-click an object in Navigator to open it's script, I get t
> he
> >> BNGuides script instead.
> >>
> >> Bob S
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> use-livecode mailing list
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
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From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Mon Aug 29 13:29:37 2022
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2022 10:29:37 -0700
Subject: Livecode / Github
In-Reply-To: <CA+yhkRZQoNx0mvuNyDVr08zeERV5W_Zg3aSbZ+=cV5AXGrtBWA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKtp2N49WGjVsO8w9CE=evqsvBrdWdoooawF_Mc4UQNiqSQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <9ECE2480-BAAB-4E8A-B97D-70F2153A91C3@pidigital.co.uk>
 <CA+yhkRZQoNx0mvuNyDVr08zeERV5W_Zg3aSbZ+=cV5AXGrtBWA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <baf29a07-23e8-bab7-ddf1-1c0ed366dcf6@sonic.net>

On 8/28/22 20:45, Brian Milby via use-livecode wrote:
> If you want to see what the JSON export looks like for a fairly small
> stack, you can view this:
> https://github.com/bwmilby/SvgIconTool/blob/main/smartcrumbs/SvgIconTool.livecode.sc/stackFileProperties.json
> 
> Unfortunately you will need to download and view it with something that
> understands the CR line ending since GitHub doesn't.  That repo has both
> ScriptTracker exports and SmartCrumbs exports of the stack.  The former is
> designed with two things in mind:  allowing changes in the scripts that are
> part of a binary stack to be tracked and allowing the editing of those
> scripts in an external editor (I like Atom for the linting, have not tried
> the newer option).  The latter looks to be a way to completely decompose a
> stack into mostly text files (images being one exception) that can be
> tracked (and in theory changes merged together I'm guessing).

OK - I just tried out smartcrumbs to check it out. Not quite sure what's 
going on here. Outsmarted by smartcrumbs.

According to the lesson you just drag this onto a stack.
Nope.
Click the "Export Stack" button.
Stack flickers.
Did anything happen?
According to the dictionary there's an scGetPathLog().
Maybe that will give me a clue.
/My LiveCode/SmartCrumbsVCW/logs//2022-08-29
Eh?
What's this "/My LiveCode" thing? I don't have one of those.
And why is it trying to store that off my root directory?
Let's try that one again.
"Recursion limit reached"
I'll try scExportStack from the message box.
It gives "can't find handler"

OK - back to real work.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com


From brian at milby7.com  Mon Aug 29 13:53:26 2022
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2022 13:53:26 -0400
Subject: Livecode / Github
In-Reply-To: <baf29a07-23e8-bab7-ddf1-1c0ed366dcf6@sonic.net>
References: <CAKCLKtp2N49WGjVsO8w9CE=evqsvBrdWdoooawF_Mc4UQNiqSQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <9ECE2480-BAAB-4E8A-B97D-70F2153A91C3@pidigital.co.uk>
 <CA+yhkRZQoNx0mvuNyDVr08zeERV5W_Zg3aSbZ+=cV5AXGrtBWA@mail.gmail.com>
 <baf29a07-23e8-bab7-ddf1-1c0ed366dcf6@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <CA+yhkRa9uKH3JSkiHKg33JcFbk=JkmCW6oSh8=YMz+s6xEq7tA@mail.gmail.com>

I used Magic Palette to do the export.  It should create the folder
structure next to the stack file that was the topstack in the IDE.
I have not looked at the lesson though.

On Mon, Aug 29, 2022 at 1:31 PM Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> On 8/28/22 20:45, Brian Milby via use-livecode wrote:
> > If you want to see what the JSON export looks like for a fairly small
> > stack, you can view this:
> >
> https://github.com/bwmilby/SvgIconTool/blob/main/smartcrumbs/SvgIconTool.livecode.sc/stackFileProperties.json
> >
> > Unfortunately you will need to download and view it with something that
> > understands the CR line ending since GitHub doesn't.  That repo has both
> > ScriptTracker exports and SmartCrumbs exports of the stack.  The former
> is
> > designed with two things in mind:  allowing changes in the scripts that
> are
> > part of a binary stack to be tracked and allowing the editing of those
> > scripts in an external editor (I like Atom for the linting, have not
> tried
> > the newer option).  The latter looks to be a way to completely decompose
> a
> > stack into mostly text files (images being one exception) that can be
> > tracked (and in theory changes merged together I'm guessing).
>
> OK - I just tried out smartcrumbs to check it out. Not quite sure what's
> going on here. Outsmarted by smartcrumbs.
>
> According to the lesson you just drag this onto a stack.
> Nope.
> Click the "Export Stack" button.
> Stack flickers.
> Did anything happen?
> According to the dictionary there's an scGetPathLog().
> Maybe that will give me a clue.
> /My LiveCode/SmartCrumbsVCW/logs//2022-08-29
> Eh?
> What's this "/My LiveCode" thing? I don't have one of those.
> And why is it trying to store that off my root directory?
> Let's try that one again.
> "Recursion limit reached"
> I'll try scExportStack from the message box.
> It gives "can't find handler"
>
> OK - back to real work.
>
> --
>   Mark Wieder
>   ahsoftware at gmail.com
>
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From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Mon Aug 29 15:06:24 2022
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2022 12:06:24 -0700
Subject: Livecode / Github
In-Reply-To: <CA+yhkRa9uKH3JSkiHKg33JcFbk=JkmCW6oSh8=YMz+s6xEq7tA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKtp2N49WGjVsO8w9CE=evqsvBrdWdoooawF_Mc4UQNiqSQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <9ECE2480-BAAB-4E8A-B97D-70F2153A91C3@pidigital.co.uk>
 <CA+yhkRZQoNx0mvuNyDVr08zeERV5W_Zg3aSbZ+=cV5AXGrtBWA@mail.gmail.com>
 <baf29a07-23e8-bab7-ddf1-1c0ed366dcf6@sonic.net>
 <CA+yhkRa9uKH3JSkiHKg33JcFbk=JkmCW6oSh8=YMz+s6xEq7tA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8b549acf-8e33-a468-d7e8-3c1fa6ce7c34@sonic.net>

On 8/29/22 10:53, Brian Milby via use-livecode wrote:
> I used Magic Palette to do the export.  It should create the folder
> structure next to the stack file that was the topstack in the IDE.

Ah. OK - So I had to look up the filename of the stack first.
Would have been nice if the nonexistent log file told me that.

> I have not looked at the lesson though.

Not missing anything there.
I've just been going by the dictionary entries.
But now I've opened the guide.md file and see more, although the 
formatting is wonky. Gotta love the fact that the TOC entry is 
"Unknown". Looks like it was rushed out the door.

-- 
-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com


From sean at pidigital.co.uk  Mon Aug 29 15:22:31 2022
From: sean at pidigital.co.uk (Pi Digital)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2022 20:22:31 +0100
Subject: Livecode / Github
In-Reply-To: <8b549acf-8e33-a468-d7e8-3c1fa6ce7c34@sonic.net>
References: <8b549acf-8e33-a468-d7e8-3c1fa6ce7c34@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <69E24074-BEF2-4381-B2CC-82CC370A0322@pidigital.co.uk>

Look at the guide in the guide section of the dictionary app. It formats okay (although I’m going through and rewriting the grammar to send for an update).

Thanks Brian for the heads up on MagicPallet. I hadn’t looked to see what that was for yet. It’s all early stages yet but it’s looking very promising. 

Sean Cole
Pi Digital Productions Ltd

eMail Ts & Cs


> On 29 Aug 2022, at 20:06, Mark Wieder via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> On 8/29/22 10:53, Brian Milby via use-livecode wrote:
>> I used Magic Palette to do the export.  It should create the folder
>> structure next to the stack file that was the topstack in the IDE.
> 
> Ah. OK - So I had to look up the filename of the stack first.
> Would have been nice if the nonexistent log file told me that.
> 
>> I have not looked at the lesson though.
> 
> Not missing anything there.
> I've just been going by the dictionary entries.
> But now I've opened the guide.md file and see more, although the formatting is wonky. Gotta love the fact that the TOC entry is "Unknown". Looks like it was rushed out the door.
> 
> -- 
> -- 
> Mark Wieder
> ahsoftware at gmail.com
> 
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From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Mon Aug 29 15:37:02 2022
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2022 12:37:02 -0700
Subject: Livecode / Github
In-Reply-To: <69E24074-BEF2-4381-B2CC-82CC370A0322@pidigital.co.uk>
References: <8b549acf-8e33-a468-d7e8-3c1fa6ce7c34@sonic.net>
 <69E24074-BEF2-4381-B2CC-82CC370A0322@pidigital.co.uk>
Message-ID: <8dcbb283-4907-b69a-5e89-46cfb451fb81@sonic.net>

On 8/29/22 12:22, Pi Digital via use-livecode wrote:
> Look at the guide in the guide section of the dictionary app. It formats okay (although Im going through and rewriting the grammar to send for an update).

Thanks, Sean. Yeah - that does format much better in a browser.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com


From gregg.podnar at gmail.com  Mon Aug 29 16:38:26 2022
From: gregg.podnar at gmail.com (Gregg)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2022 16:38:26 -0400
Subject: Why is Livecode not on this list?
Message-ID: <BC5AD0B3-D712-4166-B2C9-20CB592469DE@gmail.com>

https://spectrum.ieee.org/top-programming-languages-2022

From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Aug 29 16:51:16 2022
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2022 13:51:16 -0700
Subject: BN Guides
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKtqrje5JDDsPS4fS9raph+ATKf08DpzvFsyYHcZak=QR5Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKtqrje5JDDsPS4fS9raph+ATKf08DpzvFsyYHcZak=QR5Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c90166f7-f87d-cb6b-8f94-e44e6ca9abcd@fourthworld.com>

Geoff Canyon wrote:

 > Okay, so it looks like BN Guides works by assigning behaviors to
 > controls and temporarily adding controls to your stack as you drag
 > things. I think this is meant to be transient as you drag controls.

Instinctively I'd be inclined to try a frontscript before something as 
intrusive as altering an object's behavior property for something this 
transient.

But Bernd does good work, so I'm curious: why this approach and not a 
frontScript?

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Aug 29 16:55:36 2022
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2022 13:55:36 -0700
Subject: Why is Livecode not on this list?
In-Reply-To: <BC5AD0B3-D712-4166-B2C9-20CB592469DE@gmail.com>
References: <BC5AD0B3-D712-4166-B2C9-20CB592469DE@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9da4504f-ba77-e5c3-4dff-35520079e94d@fourthworld.com>

Gregg wrote:

 > https://spectrum.ieee.org/top-programming-languages-2022

Demand.

Their methodology note explains it's based on job listings. When was the 
last time you saw a job posting for LC skills?

It's also a short list (50?).

This one ranks by usage, listing the hundred most popular, where LC has 
only been in the top 50 a few times over the years I've been tracking 
it, but is often in the bottom 50 (out of hundreds of languages not so bad):

https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Mon Aug 29 17:15:04 2022
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2022 22:15:04 +0100
Subject: Why is Livecode not on this list?
In-Reply-To: <9da4504f-ba77-e5c3-4dff-35520079e94d@fourthworld.com>
References: <BC5AD0B3-D712-4166-B2C9-20CB592469DE@gmail.com>
 <9da4504f-ba77-e5c3-4dff-35520079e94d@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <CAL3fwtgFgf6nnHYJ728UWwvBnQ+jkHx2KiFp-9Ud7Q87yP4qUg@mail.gmail.com>

Personally, My 'take' on LiveCode is that, generally, it is ideal for
boutique programming, for specific free-standing applications.

It is also excellent for teaching children programming concepts in a
relatively digestable way without dumbing programming down in the way
block-coding efforts such as Scratch do.

As such, there will always be very few advertisements for LiveCode
programmers.

That should not, in any way, devalue LiveCode.

On Mon, 29 Aug 2022, 21:56 Richard Gaskin via use-livecode, <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Gregg wrote:
>
>  > https://spectrum.ieee.org/top-programming-languages-2022
>
> Demand.
>
> Their methodology note explains it's based on job listings. When was the
> last time you saw a job posting for LC skills?
>
> It's also a short list (50?).
>
> This one ranks by usage, listing the hundred most popular, where LC has
> only been in the top 50 a few times over the years I've been tracking
> it, but is often in the bottom 50 (out of hundreds of languages not so
> bad):
>
> https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/
>
> --
>   Richard Gaskin
>   Fourth World Systems
>
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From paul at researchware.com  Mon Aug 29 17:36:01 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2022 17:36:01 -0400
Subject: the script of <object> with line numbers?
Message-ID: <fbf457bd-ade4-bb22-8b27-4e1ca2e0ebd9@researchware.com>

Is there a way (an existing function or command in the language or IDE) 
to get the script of an object WITH the line numbers as you see them in 
the IDE script editor?

OR

Do I just have to do something like:

put the script of tObject into tScript
repeat with i=1 to the number of lines in tScript
   put i &space before line i of tScript
end repeat

Any secret IDE or LCS knowledge welcome. Thank you in advance.




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Aug 29 17:50:53 2022
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2022 16:50:53 -0500
Subject: the script of <object> with line numbers?
In-Reply-To: <fbf457bd-ade4-bb22-8b27-4e1ca2e0ebd9@researchware.com>
References: <fbf457bd-ade4-bb22-8b27-4e1ca2e0ebd9@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <5a84a1e9-7623-3a12-1bd1-8a69f8029b05@hyperactivesw.com>

On 8/29/22 4:36 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
> Is there a way (an existing function or command in the language or IDE) to get the script of an 
> object WITH the line numbers as you see them in the IDE script editor?
> 
> OR
> 
> Do I just have to do something like:
> 
> put the script of tObject into tScript
> repeat with i=1 to the number of lines in tScript
>    put i &space before line i of tScript
> end repeat
> 
> Any secret IDE or LCS knowledge welcome. Thank you in advance.

How about:

   get the script of <object>
   split it by cr
   combine it by cr and tab
   sort it numeric



-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com

From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Aug 29 17:55:00 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2022 21:55:00 +0000
Subject: the script of <object> with line numbers?
In-Reply-To: <5a84a1e9-7623-3a12-1bd1-8a69f8029b05@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <fbf457bd-ade4-bb22-8b27-4e1ca2e0ebd9@researchware.com>
 <5a84a1e9-7623-3a12-1bd1-8a69f8029b05@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <DCC04082-3726-4630-9585-B819B6B69F51@iotecdigital.com>

Maybe marginally better:

...
sort it by word 1 of each

Bob S


On Aug 29, 2022, at 14:50 , J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com<mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:

On 8/29/22 4:36 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
Is there a way (an existing function or command in the language or IDE) to get the script of an object WITH the line numbers as you see them in the IDE script editor?
OR
Do I just have to do something like:
put the script of tObject into tScript
repeat with i=1 to the number of lines in tScript
  put i &space before line i of tScript
end repeat
Any secret IDE or LCS knowledge welcome. Thank you in advance.

How about:

 get the script of <object>
 split it by cr
 combine it by cr and tab
 sort it numeric



--
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com<mailto:jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com<http://www.hyperactivesw.com/>


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Aug 29 17:55:42 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2022 21:55:42 +0000
Subject: the script of <object> with line numbers?
In-Reply-To: <DCC04082-3726-4630-9585-B819B6B69F51@iotecdigital.com>
References: <fbf457bd-ade4-bb22-8b27-4e1ca2e0ebd9@researchware.com>
 <5a84a1e9-7623-3a12-1bd1-8a69f8029b05@hyperactivesw.com>
 <DCC04082-3726-4630-9585-B819B6B69F51@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <94DD7BBC-C054-4B62-AEE6-9757D2C9750F@iotecdigital.com>

Correction:

sort it numeric by word 1 of each

Bob S


On Aug 29, 2022, at 14:55 , Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com<mailto:bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com>> wrote:

Maybe marginally better:

...
sort it by word 1 of each

Bob S


On Aug 29, 2022, at 14:50 , J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com<mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:

On 8/29/22 4:36 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
Is there a way (an existing function or command in the language or IDE) to get the script of an object WITH the line numbers as you see them in the IDE script editor?
OR
Do I just have to do something like:
put the script of tObject into tScript
repeat with i=1 to the number of lines in tScript
  put i &space before line i of tScript
end repeat
Any secret IDE or LCS knowledge welcome. Thank you in advance.

How about:

 get the script of <object>
 split it by cr
 combine it by cr and tab
 sort it numeric



--
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com<mailto:jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com<http://www.hyperactivesw.com/>



From Bernd.Niggemann at uni-wh.de  Mon Aug 29 18:25:29 2022
From: Bernd.Niggemann at uni-wh.de (Niggemann, Bernd)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2022 22:25:29 +0000
Subject: BN Guides
Message-ID: <3160207C-1B51-4F13-818C-1DDDD0F8D9ED@uni-wh.de>

> Richard Gaskin via use-livecode Mon, 29 Aug 2022 13:53:13 -0700
> 
> Geoff Canyon wrote:
> 
> > Okay, so it looks like BN Guides works by assigning behaviors to
> > controls and temporarily adding controls to your stack as you drag
> > things. I think this is meant to be transient as you drag controls.
> 
> Instinctively I'd be inclined to try a frontscript before something as intrusive as altering an object's behavior property for something this transient.
> 
> But Bernd does good work, so I'm curious: why this approach and not a frontScript?

Actually I was experimenting and wanted to use behaviors dynamically at the time when I wrote this. A proof of principle if you want. It worked surprisingly well.
That is why I sticked to behaviors. After fixing some edge cases it even removes the behaviors correctly...
At the time there were no guides available for LC.

But as of LC 10 Guidelines will be part of the IDE and that looks and works really well. (LC uses a backScript)

Kind regards
Bernd

From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Mon Aug 29 18:58:41 2022
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2022 15:58:41 -0700
Subject: the script of <object> with line numbers?
In-Reply-To: <fbf457bd-ade4-bb22-8b27-4e1ca2e0ebd9@researchware.com>
References: <fbf457bd-ade4-bb22-8b27-4e1ca2e0ebd9@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <5674863c-d58b-e35a-3cce-94e2dccef55a@sonic.net>

On 8/29/22 14:36, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
> Is there a way (an existing function or command in the language or IDE) 
> to get the script of an object WITH the line numbers as you see them in 
> the IDE script editor?

While some clever solutions have been posted, I gotta ask WHY?

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Aug 29 19:10:27 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2022 23:10:27 +0000
Subject: the script of <object> with line numbers?
In-Reply-To: <5674863c-d58b-e35a-3cce-94e2dccef55a@sonic.net>
References: <fbf457bd-ade4-bb22-8b27-4e1ca2e0ebd9@researchware.com>
 <5674863c-d58b-e35a-3cce-94e2dccef55a@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <937A8FE2-4A88-495F-AE16-8466665E3956@iotecdigital.com>

That question always reminds me of Mathesar when he discoveres that Commander Peter Quincy Taggert has been lying all along. :-)

Bob S


On Aug 29, 2022, at 15:58 , Mark Wieder via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com<mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:

On 8/29/22 14:36, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
Is there a way (an existing function or command in the language or IDE) to get the script of an object WITH the line numbers as you see them in the IDE script editor?

While some clever solutions have been posted, I gotta ask WHY?

--
Mark Wieder
ahsoftware at gmail.com<mailto:ahsoftware at gmail.com>


From paul at researchware.com  Mon Aug 29 19:11:09 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2022 19:11:09 -0400
Subject: the script of <object> with line numbers?
In-Reply-To: <5674863c-d58b-e35a-3cce-94e2dccef55a@sonic.net>
References: <fbf457bd-ade4-bb22-8b27-4e1ca2e0ebd9@researchware.com>
 <5674863c-d58b-e35a-3cce-94e2dccef55a@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <79897272-c615-c15c-854f-4d89f257c14d@researchware.com>

On 8/29/2022 6:58 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:
> On 8/29/22 14:36, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
>> Is there a way (an existing function or command in the language or 
>> IDE) to get the script of an object WITH the line numbers as you see 
>> them in the IDE script editor?
>
> While some clever solutions have been posted, I gotta ask WHY?
>

In our applications, we trap the script error dialog and replace the 
default with our own. That dialog lets customers send the 
executionContexts and some other debugging information to us to report 
an error (if one gets by quality/beta testing).

So we get the executionContext that say "error such and such occurred at 
line 342 of some handler". The line number is the line of the whole 
script the handler is in.

When we et the message and log the problem in our instance of Bugzilla, 
one of the 1st things is to look at the script and see what the line of 
code references actually says.

It could reduce a trouble should step to include the line numbers 
programmatically in the error report.

No a huge priority in the scheme of things, but a "nice to have" sort of 
thing. Does that answer the "why?"



From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Aug 29 19:18:34 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2022 23:18:34 +0000
Subject: the script of <object> with line numbers?
In-Reply-To: <79897272-c615-c15c-854f-4d89f257c14d@researchware.com>
References: <fbf457bd-ade4-bb22-8b27-4e1ca2e0ebd9@researchware.com>
 <5674863c-d58b-e35a-3cce-94e2dccef55a@sonic.net>
 <79897272-c615-c15c-854f-4d89f257c14d@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <72224209-4337-4747-A52B-AA2DF2B5EBB3@iotecdigital.com>

As long as Mathesar is happy, I'm happy.

Bob S


On Aug 29, 2022, at 16:11 , Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com<mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:

No a huge priority in the scheme of things, but a "nice to have" sort of thing. Does that answer the "why?"


From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Mon Aug 29 19:19:40 2022
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2022 16:19:40 -0700
Subject: the script of <object> with line numbers?
In-Reply-To: <79897272-c615-c15c-854f-4d89f257c14d@researchware.com>
References: <fbf457bd-ade4-bb22-8b27-4e1ca2e0ebd9@researchware.com>
 <5674863c-d58b-e35a-3cce-94e2dccef55a@sonic.net>
 <79897272-c615-c15c-854f-4d89f257c14d@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <d1c8cae0-2aa3-3563-5276-69855210bbdc@sonic.net>

On 8/29/22 16:11, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:

> It could reduce a trouble should step to include the line numbers 
> programmatically in the error report.
> 
> No a huge priority in the scheme of things, but a "nice to have" sort of 
> thing. Does that answer the "why?"

Somewhat. If you already have the line number from the error message, 
why not just grab that line of script? Or preface it with the line 
number you already have in your possession?

But I find that the executionContexts gives me more information than 
just where the error occurred, since the actual problem may be farther 
up the line and it's only the end symptom that triggers the error.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com


From Bernd.Niggemann at uni-wh.de  Mon Aug 29 19:22:19 2022
From: Bernd.Niggemann at uni-wh.de (Niggemann, Bernd)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2022 23:22:19 +0000
Subject: BN Guides
Message-ID: <0CFB84B5-71D9-4F2D-AE86-67356B005FD8@uni-wh.de>

> Richard Gaskin via use-livecode Mon, 29 Aug 2022 13:53:13 -0700
> so I'm curious: why this approach and not a frontScript?

I thought about why I used behaviors a little more.
What intrigued me was the idea that via a behavior a control was made aware of its neighbours. Be it a group or a control it knew where all the other objects were. Even dragged them along when needed.
And it worked semi autonomously with a little help from "the owner of this me".

I think that was my main fascination when using behaviors. It was a change of perspective from the central perspective to a decentralised perspective.


Kind regards
Bernd

From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Aug 29 19:38:28 2022
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2022 16:38:28 -0700
Subject: Why is Livecode not on this list?
In-Reply-To: <CAL3fwtgFgf6nnHYJ728UWwvBnQ+jkHx2KiFp-9Ud7Q87yP4qUg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAL3fwtgFgf6nnHYJ728UWwvBnQ+jkHx2KiFp-9Ud7Q87yP4qUg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9aa11f8f-1ba8-98de-1a9f-76277220a8d7@fourthworld.com>

Richmond Mathewson wrote:

 > As such, there will always be very few advertisements for LiveCode
 > programmers.

But still many good stories to tell. And apparently LC Ltd just hired a 
new Brand & Digital Marketing Lead, so I imagine we'll see those stories 
told.

https://twitter.com/happymaan/status/1562801044132085762

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems


From sean at pidigital.co.uk  Mon Aug 29 23:49:21 2022
From: sean at pidigital.co.uk (Pi Digital)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2022 04:49:21 +0100
Subject: the script of <object> with line numbers?
In-Reply-To: <79897272-c615-c15c-854f-4d89f257c14d@researchware.com>
References: <79897272-c615-c15c-854f-4d89f257c14d@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <33A58CE1-30FF-4A10-8237-EF0F2C8949E2@pidigital.co.uk>

Using The earlier example, you could use

put theErrorLineNum into tLineNum
put the script of stack “myScript” into tScript
split tScript using cr
logError tLineNum, tScript[tLineNum]

Or something like that. 

Sean


>>> Is there a way (an existing function or command in the language or IDE) to get the script of an object WITH the line numbers as you see them in the IDE script editor?
>> 
>> While some clever solutions have been posted, I gotta ask WHY?
>> 
> 
> In our applications, we trap the script error dialog and replace the default with our own. That dialog lets customers send the executionContexts and some other debugging information to us to report an error (if one gets by quality/beta testing).
> 
> So we get the executionContext that say "error such and such occurred at line 342 of some handler". The line number is the line of the whole script the handler is in.
> 
> When we et the message and log the problem in our instance of Bugzilla, one of the 1st things is to look at the script and see what the line of code references actually says.
> 
> It could reduce a trouble should step to include the line numbers programmatically in the error report.

From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Aug 30 01:14:05 2022
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2022 22:14:05 -0700
Subject: the script of <object> with line numbers?
In-Reply-To: <33A58CE1-30FF-4A10-8237-EF0F2C8949E2@pidigital.co.uk>
References: <33A58CE1-30FF-4A10-8237-EF0F2C8949E2@pidigital.co.uk>
Message-ID: <92952525-1fdf-6f86-3e09-9daf297eca3e@fourthworld.com>

Another option: Automate it, replacing Bugzilla's web UI with LC

Mod Ken Ray's RevZilla to retrieve support emails, reformat them however 
needed, tuck them in the DB, integrate the report display with things 
like double-clicking a line in the executtionContexts to open scripts, etc.

http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/livecode/downloads/RevZilla2.htm

One-stop shopping for a fully integrated software support system.

A similar approach could be used with Nextcloud's Deck APIs, or a wide 
range of other issue tracking systems, even Github.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems



From gcanyon at gmail.com  Tue Aug 30 03:45:04 2022
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2022 00:45:04 -0700
Subject: BN Guides
In-Reply-To: <c90166f7-f87d-cb6b-8f94-e44e6ca9abcd@fourthworld.com>
References: <CAKCLKtqrje5JDDsPS4fS9raph+ATKf08DpzvFsyYHcZak=QR5Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <c90166f7-f87d-cb6b-8f94-e44e6ca9abcd@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <CAKCLKtrWZQkmz5H039WVGU4w-o9PGvHyOXzu19JaQVumz779zQ@mail.gmail.com>

He's also throwing controls into the stack to show guides for the
alignment, and then disposing of those. So maybe in for a penny?

If I were doing something like this I think I'd try:

1. A frontscript, as you say, or just setting up to receive IDE messages --
pretty sure there's an objectMoved IDE message or something like it.
2. Using stacks with the shape set as guides.

But maybe my idea is out of date or impractical in some way. I experimented
with some sort of auto-alignment code a long time ago. I have no memory of
how far I got with it.

gc

On Mon, Aug 29, 2022 at 1:52 PM Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Geoff Canyon wrote:
>
>  > Okay, so it looks like BN Guides works by assigning behaviors to
>  > controls and temporarily adding controls to your stack as you drag
>  > things. I think this is meant to be transient as you drag controls.
>
> Instinctively I'd be inclined to try a frontscript before something as
> intrusive as altering an object's behavior property for something this
> transient.
>
> But Bernd does good work, so I'm curious: why this approach and not a
> frontScript?
>
> --
>   Richard Gaskin
>   Fourth World Systems
>
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Aug 30 13:42:52 2022
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2022 10:42:52 -0700
Subject: BN Guides
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKtrWZQkmz5H039WVGU4w-o9PGvHyOXzu19JaQVumz779zQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKtrWZQkmz5H039WVGU4w-o9PGvHyOXzu19JaQVumz779zQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b7063486-1767-af68-4b0f-44f9a7b8ac88@fourthworld.com>

I've fantasized about being able to paint directly to the window buffer 
without using an object, but having done that in C back in the day I 
enjoy the conveniences scripted objects bring.

Your stack suggestion is intriguing, but how does it work in practice?

I find the systemic overhead of dynamically reinstantiating windows to 
fit a changing shape makes things a bit less smooth than I'd prefer.

Or are you suggesting a separate stack for each guide line?  That would 
keep the performance up, but seems tedious to write.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems




Geoff Canyon wrote:
> He's also throwing controls into the stack to show guides for the
> alignment, and then disposing of those. So maybe in for a penny?
> 
> If I were doing something like this I think I'd try:
> 
> 1. A frontscript, as you say, or just setting up to receive IDE messages --
> pretty sure there's an objectMoved IDE message or something like it.
> 2. Using stacks with the shape set as guides.
> 
> But maybe my idea is out of date or impractical in some way. I experimented
> with some sort of auto-alignment code a long time ago. I have no memory of
> how far I got with it.
> 
> gc
> 
> On Mon, Aug 29, 2022 at 1:52 PM Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> Geoff Canyon wrote:
>>
>>  > Okay, so it looks like BN Guides works by assigning behaviors to
>>  > controls and temporarily adding controls to your stack as you drag
>>  > things. I think this is meant to be transient as you drag controls.
>>
>> Instinctively I'd be inclined to try a frontscript before something as
>> intrusive as altering an object's behavior property for something this
>> transient.
>>
>> But Bernd does good work, so I'm curious: why this approach and not a
>> frontScript?
>>
>> --
>>   Richard Gaskin
>>   Fourth World Systems



From gcanyon at gmail.com  Tue Aug 30 17:27:13 2022
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2022 14:27:13 -0700
Subject: BN Guides
In-Reply-To: <b7063486-1767-af68-4b0f-44f9a7b8ac88@fourthworld.com>
References: <b7063486-1767-af68-4b0f-44f9a7b8ac88@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <393ACC2F-9B6C-4FBE-9318-2B3E9C106F2B@gmail.com>

15(?) years ago I wrote an app that bounced a bunch of balls across the screen. Each was a shaped-stack. It has no trouble being pretty smooth even with twenty or so stacks, as I recall. It would be more than enough for guides, especially with the 100x hardware we have today. 

Positioning a stack is as simple as positioning a control, but for any translations to/from global coordinates. 

gc

> On Aug 30, 2022, at 10:44 AM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I've fantasized about being able to paint directly to the window buffer without using an object, but having done that in C back in the day I enjoy the conveniences scripted objects bring.
> 
> Your stack suggestion is intriguing, but how does it work in practice?
> 
> I find the systemic overhead of dynamically reinstantiating windows to fit a changing shape makes things a bit less smooth than I'd prefer.
> 
> Or are you suggesting a separate stack for each guide line?  That would keep the performance up, but seems tedious to write.
> 
> -- 
> Richard Gaskin
> Fourth World Systems
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Geoff Canyon wrote:
>> He's also throwing controls into the stack to show guides for the
>> alignment, and then disposing of those. So maybe in for a penny?
>> If I were doing something like this I think I'd try:
>> 1. A frontscript, as you say, or just setting up to receive IDE messages --
>> pretty sure there's an objectMoved IDE message or something like it.
>> 2. Using stacks with the shape set as guides.
>> But maybe my idea is out of date or impractical in some way. I experimented
>> with some sort of auto-alignment code a long time ago. I have no memory of
>> how far I got with it.
>> gc
>>> On Mon, Aug 29, 2022 at 1:52 PM Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> Geoff Canyon wrote:
>>> 
>>> > Okay, so it looks like BN Guides works by assigning behaviors to
>>> > controls and temporarily adding controls to your stack as you drag
>>> > things. I think this is meant to be transient as you drag controls.
>>> 
>>> Instinctively I'd be inclined to try a frontscript before something as
>>> intrusive as altering an object's behavior property for something this
>>> transient.
>>> 
>>> But Bernd does good work, so I'm curious: why this approach and not a
>>> frontScript?
>>> 
>>> --
>>>  Richard Gaskin
>>>  Fourth World Systems
> 
> 
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From gcanyon at gmail.com  Tue Aug 30 17:30:36 2022
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2022 14:30:36 -0700
Subject: lcb missing manual
In-Reply-To: <33692627-5f0a-25ff-c4a8-5664e460a7cb@sonic.net>
References: <33692627-5f0a-25ff-c4a8-5664e460a7cb@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <816C27F1-2EFD-47F9-A507-46245A41158A@gmail.com>

Is there a page that discusses the pros of LCB? I looked and didn’t find it. 

I’m thinking of a simple list (I’m making this up because I didn’t find the page)

 — N times faster execution than LCS
 — interface with code libraries using simple hooks
 — bundle code and graphics together into widgets

More?

gc

> On Aug 28, 2022, at 11:27 AM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> On 8/28/22 11:06, Mike Kerner wrote:
>> the lcb documentation, especially in the api widget is ungreat.
>> the good news is that as long as there is an oss repo version of LC, you can hunt for some of the information that is missing. AND, at least for now, you can still find much of it in the LC application
>> example: as i was hunting, i found a bunch of editors, but none of them seem to be documented anywhere obvious.
> 
> Yep - I find most of my documentation by digging.
> 
> The lack of colornames just bit me earlier this week and I had to backpedal and code a list of a dozen color names as "R,G,B". Even the "#FFFFFF" format isn't accepted.
> 
> -- 
> Mark Wieder
> ahsoftware at gmail.com
> 
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From brian at milby7.com  Tue Aug 30 17:56:57 2022
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2022 17:56:57 -0400
Subject: lcb missing manual
In-Reply-To: <816C27F1-2EFD-47F9-A507-46245A41158A@gmail.com>
References: <816C27F1-2EFD-47F9-A507-46245A41158A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <69F805E3-DF6D-4403-BE3E-84CAB718344B@milby7.com>

LCB has been slower than LCS, but the advantage is that you can easily link to much faster compiler code.  I’m not sure if that has changed any… I could pull out some code from a while back where we were doing some speed tests.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 30, 2022, at 5:31 PM, Geoff Canyon via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Is there a page that discusses the pros of LCB? I looked and didn’t find it. 
> 
> I’m thinking of a simple list (I’m making this up because I didn’t find the page)
> 
> — N times faster execution than LCS
> — interface with code libraries using simple hooks
> — bundle code and graphics together into widgets
> 
> More?
> 
> gc
> 
>>> On Aug 28, 2022, at 11:27 AM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 8/28/22 11:06, Mike Kerner wrote:
>>> the lcb documentation, especially in the api widget is ungreat.
>>> the good news is that as long as there is an oss repo version of LC, you can hunt for some of the information that is missing. AND, at least for now, you can still find much of it in the LC application
>>> example: as i was hunting, i found a bunch of editors, but none of them seem to be documented anywhere obvious.
>> 
>> Yep - I find most of my documentation by digging.
>> 
>> The lack of colornames just bit me earlier this week and I had to backpedal and code a list of a dozen color names as "R,G,B". Even the "#FFFFFF" format isn't accepted.
>> 
>> -- 
>> Mark Wieder
>> ahsoftware at gmail.com
>> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Aug 30 19:12:47 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2022 23:12:47 +0000
Subject: Standardize Font Appearance
Message-ID: <16B11823-3348-421C-95A3-A8CF2A7170CA@iotecdigital.com>

Hi all. 

I'm at the point now where I want to clean up the appearance of all my projects across all platforms. For instance, I have a Time Calculator stack that calculates total time for any number of start/stop/lunch entries. I have heretofore left my field and label fonts at the default, which for MacOS is <whateveritis>. But when I create a standalone for Windows, the size of that text is larger, and so any labels I have overflow the label and only show me part of the text. 

What I want to do is set up my environment so that whatever font I use in the MacOS uses, there is an identical font on the Windows side as well. I know there is a way to embed fonts in a project, but I don't really understand how that works. 

If I use a font that exists in both Mac and Windows, a common web font for instance, they do not look at all the same on both platforms. Verdana is a good example. I am not averse to purchasing a font family or two and statically setting my font, size and style for every object, so long as the Windows and MacOS look (reasonably) the same. 

Any ideas? 

Bob S



From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Aug 30 19:20:34 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2022 23:20:34 +0000
Subject: Standardize Font Appearance
In-Reply-To: <16B11823-3348-421C-95A3-A8CF2A7170CA@iotecdigital.com>
References: <16B11823-3348-421C-95A3-A8CF2A7170CA@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <B92C5423-EF23-4CD6-9DF1-5E147B7BC359@iotecdigital.com>

Hmmm spoke to soon. I see Start Using Font in the dictionary. I'll explore.

Bob S


On Aug 30, 2022, at 16:12 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com<mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:

Hi all.

I'm at the point now where I want to clean up the appearance of all my projects across all platforms. For instance, I have a Time Calculator stack that calculates total time for any number of start/stop/lunch entries. I have heretofore left my field and label fonts at the default, which for MacOS is <whateveritis>. But when I create a standalone for Windows, the size of that text is larger, and so any labels I have overflow the label and only show me part of the text.

What I want to do is set up my environment so that whatever font I use in the MacOS uses, there is an identical font on the Windows side as well. I know there is a way to embed fonts in a project, but I don't really understand how that works.

If I use a font that exists in both Mac and Windows, a common web font for instance, they do not look at all the same on both platforms. Verdana is a good example. I am not averse to purchasing a font family or two and statically setting my font, size and style for every object, so long as the Windows and MacOS look (reasonably) the same.

Any ideas?

Bob S


From tom at makeshyft.com  Tue Aug 30 20:36:51 2022
From: tom at makeshyft.com (Tom Glod)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2022 20:36:51 -0400
Subject: Standardize Font Appearance
In-Reply-To: <B92C5423-EF23-4CD6-9DF1-5E147B7BC359@iotecdigital.com>
References: <16B11823-3348-421C-95A3-A8CF2A7170CA@iotecdigital.com>
 <B92C5423-EF23-4CD6-9DF1-5E147B7BC359@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CAPzQJLJpWyBoQq718sCaWPtRTEa8WDNpERbZMj_kjWqo+h1XDw@mail.gmail.com>

THe only way to do this is to use google's web fonts and ship them with
your project. It works well.
To save you the trouble, Android requires the fonts to be in a "fonts"
folder in the root folder of your projects.
Or at least its what I read somewhere in the forums.

Cheers Bob

On Tue, Aug 30, 2022 at 7:21 PM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hmmm spoke to soon. I see Start Using Font in the dictionary. I'll explore.
>
> Bob S
>
>
> On Aug 30, 2022, at 16:12 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com<mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>>
> wrote:
>
> Hi all.
>
> I'm at the point now where I want to clean up the appearance of all my
> projects across all platforms. For instance, I have a Time Calculator stack
> that calculates total time for any number of start/stop/lunch entries. I
> have heretofore left my field and label fonts at the default, which for
> MacOS is <whateveritis>. But when I create a standalone for Windows, the
> size of that text is larger, and so any labels I have overflow the label
> and only show me part of the text.
>
> What I want to do is set up my environment so that whatever font I use in
> the MacOS uses, there is an identical font on the Windows side as well. I
> know there is a way to embed fonts in a project, but I don't really
> understand how that works.
>
> If I use a font that exists in both Mac and Windows, a common web font for
> instance, they do not look at all the same on both platforms. Verdana is a
> good example. I am not averse to purchasing a font family or two and
> statically setting my font, size and style for every object, so long as the
> Windows and MacOS look (reasonably) the same.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Bob S
>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Aug 30 21:55:30 2022
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2022 20:55:30 -0500
Subject: Standardize Font Appearance
In-Reply-To: <CAPzQJLJpWyBoQq718sCaWPtRTEa8WDNpERbZMj_kjWqo+h1XDw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <16B11823-3348-421C-95A3-A8CF2A7170CA@iotecdigital.com>
 <B92C5423-EF23-4CD6-9DF1-5E147B7BC359@iotecdigital.com>
 <CAPzQJLJpWyBoQq718sCaWPtRTEa8WDNpERbZMj_kjWqo+h1XDw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <182f19c5250.27a5.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>

I have an Android app that uses a custom font. I just dropped the ttf file 
into the Copy Files pane of standalone settings and issued "start using 
font file" in a preOpenStack handler. Seems to work fine. Easy too.

--
Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
On August 30, 2022 7:39:19 PM Tom Glod via use-livecode 
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> THe only way to do this is to use google's web fonts and ship them with
> your project. It works well.
> To save you the trouble, Android requires the fonts to be in a "fonts"
> folder in the root folder of your projects.
> Or at least its what I read somewhere in the forums.
>
> Cheers Bob
>
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2022 at 7:21 PM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> Hmmm spoke to soon. I see Start Using Font in the dictionary. I'll explore.
>>
>> Bob S
>>
>>
>> On Aug 30, 2022, at 16:12 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com<mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all.
>>
>> I'm at the point now where I want to clean up the appearance of all my
>> projects across all platforms. For instance, I have a Time Calculator stack
>> that calculates total time for any number of start/stop/lunch entries. I
>> have heretofore left my field and label fonts at the default, which for
>> MacOS is <whateveritis>. But when I create a standalone for Windows, the
>> size of that text is larger, and so any labels I have overflow the label
>> and only show me part of the text.
>>
>> What I want to do is set up my environment so that whatever font I use in
>> the MacOS uses, there is an identical font on the Windows side as well. I
>> know there is a way to embed fonts in a project, but I don't really
>> understand how that works.
>>
>> If I use a font that exists in both Mac and Windows, a common web font for
>> instance, they do not look at all the same on both platforms. Verdana is a
>> good example. I am not averse to purchasing a font family or two and
>> statically setting my font, size and style for every object, so long as the
>> Windows and MacOS look (reasonably) the same.
>>
>> Any ideas?
>>
>> Bob S
>>
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>> subscription preferences:
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From sean at pidigital.co.uk  Tue Aug 30 22:02:50 2022
From: sean at pidigital.co.uk (Sean Cole)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2022 03:02:50 +0100
Subject: Livecode / Github
In-Reply-To: <8b549acf-8e33-a468-d7e8-3c1fa6ce7c34@sonic.net>
References: <CAKCLKtp2N49WGjVsO8w9CE=evqsvBrdWdoooawF_Mc4UQNiqSQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Mark,

When you said this, how did you use it to get it to work? I'm getting the
same issues as you were.

Thanks
Sean

On Mon, 29 Aug 2022 at 20:06, Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

>
> Ah. OK - So I had to look up the filename of the stack first.
>
>

From sean at pidigital.co.uk  Tue Aug 30 22:36:06 2022
From: sean at pidigital.co.uk (Sean Cole)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2022 03:36:06 +0100
Subject: Livecode / Github
In-Reply-To: <CABRqQSQHwRdvYpzc1Oe9gMM9nTkFh25uuWzQtbWMnVTu=GhGnw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKtp2N49WGjVsO8w9CE=evqsvBrdWdoooawF_Mc4UQNiqSQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <9ECE2480-BAAB-4E8A-B97D-70F2153A91C3@pidigital.co.uk>
 <CA+yhkRZQoNx0mvuNyDVr08zeERV5W_Zg3aSbZ+=cV5AXGrtBWA@mail.gmail.com>
 <baf29a07-23e8-bab7-ddf1-1c0ed366dcf6@sonic.net>
 <CA+yhkRa9uKH3JSkiHKg33JcFbk=JkmCW6oSh8=YMz+s6xEq7tA@mail.gmail.com>
 <8b549acf-8e33-a468-d7e8-3c1fa6ce7c34@sonic.net>
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Message-ID: <CABRqQSQ=V95NnEQ18f=d3foU8RRTL7SaOZ5FcPwG=0hzaW=xbA@mail.gmail.com>

Don't worry, it was password protected. I thought it had managed to remove
the protection but the script I ran to remove it from the 97 stacks didn;t
do it properly. So I did it again and then needed to restart LC first for
it to fully recognise the protection removed. All good now. MainStack
exported (it's massive so it took some time). just another 96 stacks to go.
Looks like I'll set up an automation script.

Sean Cole
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On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 at 03:02, Sean Cole <sean at pidigital.co.uk> wrote:

> Hi Mark,
>
> When you said this, how did you use it to get it to work? I'm getting the
> same issues as you were.
>
> Thanks
> Sean
>
> On Mon, 29 Aug 2022 at 20:06, Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Ah. OK - So I had to look up the filename of the stack first.
>>
>>

From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Tue Aug 30 23:05:16 2022
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2022 20:05:16 -0700
Subject: Livecode / Github
In-Reply-To: <CABRqQSQ=V95NnEQ18f=d3foU8RRTL7SaOZ5FcPwG=0hzaW=xbA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKtp2N49WGjVsO8w9CE=evqsvBrdWdoooawF_Mc4UQNiqSQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <9ECE2480-BAAB-4E8A-B97D-70F2153A91C3@pidigital.co.uk>
 <CA+yhkRZQoNx0mvuNyDVr08zeERV5W_Zg3aSbZ+=cV5AXGrtBWA@mail.gmail.com>
 <baf29a07-23e8-bab7-ddf1-1c0ed366dcf6@sonic.net>
 <CA+yhkRa9uKH3JSkiHKg33JcFbk=JkmCW6oSh8=YMz+s6xEq7tA@mail.gmail.com>
 <8b549acf-8e33-a468-d7e8-3c1fa6ce7c34@sonic.net>
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Message-ID: <56eb98b4-b369-aefa-54d3-eb12f220b87c@sonic.net>

On 8/30/22 19:36, Sean Cole via use-livecode wrote:
> just another 96 stacks to go.
> Looks like I'll set up an automation script.

Ouch! I think the library would do well to check the password status and 
allow entering and cacheing the password as necessary. Too bad it's 
closed source so we can't fix it.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com


From sean at pidigital.co.uk  Wed Aug 31 06:00:41 2022
From: sean at pidigital.co.uk (Sean Cole)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2022 11:00:41 +0100
Subject: Livecode / Github
In-Reply-To: <56eb98b4-b369-aefa-54d3-eb12f220b87c@sonic.net>
References: <CAKCLKtp2N49WGjVsO8w9CE=evqsvBrdWdoooawF_Mc4UQNiqSQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <9ECE2480-BAAB-4E8A-B97D-70F2153A91C3@pidigital.co.uk>
 <CA+yhkRZQoNx0mvuNyDVr08zeERV5W_Zg3aSbZ+=cV5AXGrtBWA@mail.gmail.com>
 <baf29a07-23e8-bab7-ddf1-1c0ed366dcf6@sonic.net>
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 <56eb98b4-b369-aefa-54d3-eb12f220b87c@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <CABRqQSSPCCtg1o6MOfyMHta+O1vvOAsJc7JQCHVzLdEgVZU7gQ@mail.gmail.com>

Well, I had to leave it overnight to finish exporting as it was clear to
take some time. This was for just the main stack, not my long list of
stacks. Looking at the message box this morning, though, has a response

Message execution error:
Error description: Object: object does not have this property
Hint:

'Object does not have this property' ?? What property? Thanks LC for giving
me all the information I need to fix it [shrugs]. It hasn't created the
JSON file in the main .sc folder so it must have abandoned the operation at
some point.

I'll give it another go now after a reset and to another faster drive to
see if that improves things but with no other info to go on I have no idea
what needs to be done.

LC Team: :-) It would be REALLY handy if proper errors were thrown when one
occurs that can help us easily understand what the issues are. Also, if
prior to release documentation were gone through to make sure they are
legible. And if plugins released actually work as described. :-)

Sean


On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 at 04:05, Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> On 8/30/22 19:36, Sean Cole via use-livecode wrote:
> > just another 96 stacks to go.
> > Looks like I'll set up an automation script.
>
> Ouch! I think the library would do well to check the password status and
> allow entering and cacheing the password as necessary. Too bad it's
> closed source so we can't fix it.
>
> --
>   Mark Wieder
>   ahsoftware at gmail.com
>
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> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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From brian at milby7.com  Wed Aug 31 08:46:51 2022
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2022 08:46:51 -0400
Subject: Livecode / Github
In-Reply-To: <CABRqQSSPCCtg1o6MOfyMHta+O1vvOAsJc7JQCHVzLdEgVZU7gQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABRqQSSPCCtg1o6MOfyMHta+O1vvOAsJc7JQCHVzLdEgVZU7gQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6E98ACFE-F3E6-4C26-A1A7-57E9F139FAF5@milby7.com>

Had it created any of the script or other objects?  Curious whether it builds the JSON first or if it is done while exporting the other assets.

Thanks,
Brian

> On Aug 31, 2022, at 6:02 AM, Sean Cole via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Well, I had to leave it overnight to finish exporting as it was clear to
> take some time. This was for just the main stack, not my long list of
> stacks. Looking at the message box this morning, though, has a response
> 
> Message execution error:
> Error description: Object: object does not have this property
> Hint:
> 
> 'Object does not have this property' ?? What property? Thanks LC for giving
> me all the information I need to fix it [shrugs]. It hasn't created the
> JSON file in the main .sc folder so it must have abandoned the operation at
> some point.
> 
> I'll give it another go now after a reset and to another faster drive to
> see if that improves things but with no other info to go on I have no idea
> what needs to be done.
> 
> LC Team: :-) It would be REALLY handy if proper errors were thrown when one
> occurs that can help us easily understand what the issues are. Also, if
> prior to release documentation were gone through to make sure they are
> legible. And if plugins released actually work as described. :-)
> 
> Sean
> 
> 
>> On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 at 04:05, Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 8/30/22 19:36, Sean Cole via use-livecode wrote:
>>> just another 96 stacks to go.
>>> Looks like I'll set up an automation script.
>> 
>> Ouch! I think the library would do well to check the password status and
>> allow entering and cacheing the password as necessary. Too bad it's
>> closed source so we can't fix it.
>> 
>> --
>>  Mark Wieder
>>  ahsoftware at gmail.com
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
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From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Wed Aug 31 08:53:09 2022
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2022 08:53:09 -0400
Subject: lcb missing manual
In-Reply-To: <69F805E3-DF6D-4403-BE3E-84CAB718344B@milby7.com>
References: <816C27F1-2EFD-47F9-A507-46245A41158A@gmail.com>
 <69F805E3-DF6D-4403-BE3E-84CAB718344B@milby7.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycPXd64uwtce1RFz5r+mVXaKN0t5wLh217=7bfChs5ryvw@mail.gmail.com>

It would be interesting if lcb was slower, since it's supposed to be
lower-level.
The demo that Steven did, demonstrating the speed of populating a polyGrid
(lcb widget) vs. a dataGrid (lcs group) was that it was much, much faster.

On Tue, Aug 30, 2022 at 5:58 PM Brian Milby via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> LCB has been slower than LCS, but the advantage is that you can easily
> link to much faster compiler code.  I’m not sure if that has changed any… I
> could pull out some code from a while back where we were doing some speed
> tests.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Aug 30, 2022, at 5:31 PM, Geoff Canyon via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Is there a page that discusses the pros of LCB? I looked and didn’t
> find it.
> >
> > I’m thinking of a simple list (I’m making this up because I didn’t find
> the page)
> >
> > — N times faster execution than LCS
> > — interface with code libraries using simple hooks
> > — bundle code and graphics together into widgets
> >
> > More?
> >
> > gc
> >
> >>> On Aug 28, 2022, at 11:27 AM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On 8/28/22 11:06, Mike Kerner wrote:
> >>> the lcb documentation, especially in the api widget is ungreat.
> >>> the good news is that as long as there is an oss repo version of LC,
> you can hunt for some of the information that is missing. AND, at least for
> now, you can still find much of it in the LC application
> >>> example: as i was hunting, i found a bunch of editors, but none of
> them seem to be documented anywhere obvious.
> >>
> >> Yep - I find most of my documentation by digging.
> >>
> >> The lack of colornames just bit me earlier this week and I had to
> backpedal and code a list of a dozen color names as "R,G,B". Even the
> "#FFFFFF" format isn't accepted.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Mark Wieder
> >> ahsoftware at gmail.com
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
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> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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From sean at pidigital.co.uk  Wed Aug 31 10:26:15 2022
From: sean at pidigital.co.uk (Sean Cole)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2022 15:26:15 +0100
Subject: lcb missing manual
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycPXd64uwtce1RFz5r+mVXaKN0t5wLh217=7bfChs5ryvw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <816C27F1-2EFD-47F9-A507-46245A41158A@gmail.com>
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The subject of the dictionary has long been one of contention. One that I
have often spoken up and been shouted down about (nb, I'm not making
accusations or flames :) ). But I also understand the great amount of
resources this would take to produce decent, up to date guides and
indices of all the terms and libraries. LC's become quite the behemoth and
I doubt any one individual could carry it out. Indeed, even a bunch of us
during past HacktoberFests only achieved a percentage of it.

The AI thing Kevin showed us some time ago showed promise. But I'm not sure
how far off that is from seeing the light of day. Hopefully soon if I
haven't already missed it. But, even so, a lot of the examples, language
and syntax are out of date or incomplete so would still need some work.

As someone who eats manuals and dictionaries for brunch I'd love to be part
of the team to put it together as I have in the past. But I guess it would
depend on LCL having the resources to put into it. I would hope they see it
as important as we do.

All the best

On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 at 13:53, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> It would be interesting if lcb was slower, since it's supposed to be
> lower-level.
> The demo that Steven did, demonstrating the speed of populating a polyGrid
> (lcb widget) vs. a dataGrid (lcs group) was that it was much, much faster.
>
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2022 at 5:58 PM Brian Milby via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > LCB has been slower than LCS, but the advantage is that you can easily
> > link to much faster compiler code.  I’m not sure if that has changed
> any… I
> > could pull out some code from a while back where we were doing some speed
> > tests.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Aug 30, 2022, at 5:31 PM, Geoff Canyon via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Is there a page that discusses the pros of LCB? I looked and didn’t
> > find it.
> > >
> > > I’m thinking of a simple list (I’m making this up because I didn’t find
> > the page)
> > >
> > > — N times faster execution than LCS
> > > — interface with code libraries using simple hooks
> > > — bundle code and graphics together into widgets
> > >
> > > More?
> > >
> > > gc
> > >
> > >>> On Aug 28, 2022, at 11:27 AM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> On 8/28/22 11:06, Mike Kerner wrote:
> > >>> the lcb documentation, especially in the api widget is ungreat.
> > >>> the good news is that as long as there is an oss repo version of LC,
> > you can hunt for some of the information that is missing. AND, at least
> for
> > now, you can still find much of it in the LC application
> > >>> example: as i was hunting, i found a bunch of editors, but none of
> > them seem to be documented anywhere obvious.
> > >>
> > >> Yep - I find most of my documentation by digging.
> > >>
> > >> The lack of colornames just bit me earlier this week and I had to
> > backpedal and code a list of a dozen color names as "R,G,B". Even the
> > "#FFFFFF" format isn't accepted.
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Mark Wieder
> > >> ahsoftware at gmail.com
> > >>
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> use-livecode mailing list
> > >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > subscription preferences:
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From sean at pidigital.co.uk  Wed Aug 31 10:33:03 2022
From: sean at pidigital.co.uk (Pi Digital)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2022 15:33:03 +0100
Subject: Livecode / Github
In-Reply-To: <6E98ACFE-F3E6-4C26-A1A7-57E9F139FAF5@milby7.com>
References: <6E98ACFE-F3E6-4C26-A1A7-57E9F139FAF5@milby7.com>
Message-ID: <FC11F008-9D8C-453C-8AF3-F8B2DFC04011@pidigital.co.uk>

It created a smartcrumbs folder which contained 1 .livecode.sc folder which contained 3 subfolders, medias, scripts and shareTexts. medias contained 1 images folder with 2,325 jpeg files. The scripts folder contained 22,006 livecodescript files. The sharedTexts folders contained 7,352 GUID ref’d folders with one or more html files as well as 7,462 separate html files. And that is all. 

Having tried again using the Export button from the magicPallet (which, because of the delay between pressing the button and it actually exporting, should have a spinner or something to show its working on it) I get the same result but this time with nothing in the message box or any log file. 

I’ll try again but from the message box. The guide definitely says it will create a json file in each .livecode.sc folder that contains information about other objects and substacks. It doesn’t say we need to export each substack individually. But the json file should hold info about all the other stuff as well. We’ll see. 

Sean Cole
Pi Digital Productions Ltd

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> On 31 Aug 2022, at 13:46, Brian Milby via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Had it created any of the script or other objects?  Curious whether it builds the JSON first or if it is done while exporting the other assets.
> 
> Thanks,
> Brian
> 
>> On Aug 31, 2022, at 6:02 AM, Sean Cole via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Well, I had to leave it overnight to finish exporting as it was clear to
>> take some time. This was for just the main stack, not my long list of
>> stacks. Looking at the message box this morning, though, has a response
>> 
>> Message execution error:
>> Error description: Object: object does not have this property
>> Hint:
>> 
>> 'Object does not have this property' ?? What property? Thanks LC for giving
>> me all the information I need to fix it [shrugs]. It hasn't created the
>> JSON file in the main .sc folder so it must have abandoned the operation at
>> some point.
>> 
>> I'll give it another go now after a reset and to another faster drive to
>> see if that improves things but with no other info to go on I have no idea
>> what needs to be done.
>> 
>> LC Team: :-) It would be REALLY handy if proper errors were thrown when one
>> occurs that can help us easily understand what the issues are. Also, if
>> prior to release documentation were gone through to make sure they are
>> legible. And if plugins released actually work as described. :-)
>> 
>> Sean
>> 
>> 
>>> On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 at 04:05, Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>>> On 8/30/22 19:36, Sean Cole via use-livecode wrote:
>>>>> just another 96 stacks to go.
>>>>> Looks like I'll set up an automation script.
>>> 
>>> Ouch! I think the library would do well to check the password status and
>>> allow entering and cacheing the password as necessary. Too bad it's
>>> closed source so we can't fix it.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Mark Wieder
>>> ahsoftware at gmail.com
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>> subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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From brian at milby7.com  Wed Aug 31 10:37:08 2022
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2022 10:37:08 -0400
Subject: Livecode / Github
In-Reply-To: <FC11F008-9D8C-453C-8AF3-F8B2DFC04011@pidigital.co.uk>
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I’ll run it on my much smaller ScriptTracker stack (which has a couple substacks) and report my findings.

Brian Milby
brian at milby7.com

> On Aug 31, 2022, at 10:34 AM, Pi Digital via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> It created a smartcrumbs folder which contained 1 .livecode.sc folder which contained 3 subfolders, medias, scripts and shareTexts. medias contained 1 images folder with 2,325 jpeg files. The scripts folder contained 22,006 livecodescript files. The sharedTexts folders contained 7,352 GUID ref’d folders with one or more html files as well as 7,462 separate html files. And that is all. 
> 
> Having tried again using the Export button from the magicPallet (which, because of the delay between pressing the button and it actually exporting, should have a spinner or something to show its working on it) I get the same result but this time with nothing in the message box or any log file. 
> 
> I’ll try again but from the message box. The guide definitely says it will create a json file in each .livecode.sc folder that contains information about other objects and substacks. It doesn’t say we need to export each substack individually. But the json file should hold info about all the other stuff as well. We’ll see. 
> 
> Sean Cole
> Pi Digital Productions Ltd
> 
> eMail Ts & Cs
> 
> 
>> On 31 Aug 2022, at 13:46, Brian Milby via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Had it created any of the script or other objects?  Curious whether it builds the JSON first or if it is done while exporting the other assets.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Brian
>> 
>>>> On Aug 31, 2022, at 6:02 AM, Sean Cole via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well, I had to leave it overnight to finish exporting as it was clear to
>>> take some time. This was for just the main stack, not my long list of
>>> stacks. Looking at the message box this morning, though, has a response
>>> 
>>> Message execution error:
>>> Error description: Object: object does not have this property
>>> Hint:
>>> 
>>> 'Object does not have this property' ?? What property? Thanks LC for giving
>>> me all the information I need to fix it [shrugs]. It hasn't created the
>>> JSON file in the main .sc folder so it must have abandoned the operation at
>>> some point.
>>> 
>>> I'll give it another go now after a reset and to another faster drive to
>>> see if that improves things but with no other info to go on I have no idea
>>> what needs to be done.
>>> 
>>> LC Team: :-) It would be REALLY handy if proper errors were thrown when one
>>> occurs that can help us easily understand what the issues are. Also, if
>>> prior to release documentation were gone through to make sure they are
>>> legible. And if plugins released actually work as described. :-)
>>> 
>>> Sean
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 at 04:05, Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>>> On 8/30/22 19:36, Sean Cole via use-livecode wrote:
>>>>>> just another 96 stacks to go.
>>>>>> Looks like I'll set up an automation script.
>>>> 
>>>> Ouch! I think the library would do well to check the password status and
>>>> allow entering and cacheing the password as necessary. Too bad it's
>>>> closed source so we can't fix it.
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> Mark Wieder
>>>> ahsoftware at gmail.com
>>>> 
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From brian at milby7.com  Wed Aug 31 10:48:02 2022
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2022 10:48:02 -0400
Subject: Livecode / Github
In-Reply-To: <1F9327AF-F7BC-45B5-87B8-5E3463CBA5DF@milby7.com>
References: <1F9327AF-F7BC-45B5-87B8-5E3463CBA5DF@milby7.com>
Message-ID: <92124E94-C009-409F-8EA2-745C8B502C36@milby7.com>

https://github.com/bwmilby/scriptTracker

It appears that the JSON file does include all substacks.

Brian Milby
brian at milby7.com

> On Aug 31, 2022, at 10:37 AM, Brian Milby <brian at milby7.com> wrote:
> 
> I’ll run it on my much smaller ScriptTracker stack (which has a couple substacks) and report my findings.
> 
> Brian Milby
> brian at milby7.com
> 
>> On Aug 31, 2022, at 10:34 AM, Pi Digital via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> It created a smartcrumbs folder which contained 1 .livecode.sc folder which contained 3 subfolders, medias, scripts and shareTexts. medias contained 1 images folder with 2,325 jpeg files. The scripts folder contained 22,006 livecodescript files. The sharedTexts folders contained 7,352 GUID ref’d folders with one or more html files as well as 7,462 separate html files. And that is all. 
>> 
>> Having tried again using the Export button from the magicPallet (which, because of the delay between pressing the button and it actually exporting, should have a spinner or something to show its working on it) I get the same result but this time with nothing in the message box or any log file. 
>> 
>> I’ll try again but from the message box. The guide definitely says it will create a json file in each .livecode.sc folder that contains information about other objects and substacks. It doesn’t say we need to export each substack individually. But the json file should hold info about all the other stuff as well. We’ll see. 
>> 
>> Sean Cole
>> Pi Digital Productions Ltd
>> 
>> eMail Ts & Cs
>> 
>> 
>>>> On 31 Aug 2022, at 13:46, Brian Milby via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Had it created any of the script or other objects?  Curious whether it builds the JSON first or if it is done while exporting the other assets.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Brian
>>> 
>>>>> On Aug 31, 2022, at 6:02 AM, Sean Cole via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Well, I had to leave it overnight to finish exporting as it was clear to
>>>> take some time. This was for just the main stack, not my long list of
>>>> stacks. Looking at the message box this morning, though, has a response
>>>> 
>>>> Message execution error:
>>>> Error description: Object: object does not have this property
>>>> Hint:
>>>> 
>>>> 'Object does not have this property' ?? What property? Thanks LC for giving
>>>> me all the information I need to fix it [shrugs]. It hasn't created the
>>>> JSON file in the main .sc folder so it must have abandoned the operation at
>>>> some point.
>>>> 
>>>> I'll give it another go now after a reset and to another faster drive to
>>>> see if that improves things but with no other info to go on I have no idea
>>>> what needs to be done.
>>>> 
>>>> LC Team: :-) It would be REALLY handy if proper errors were thrown when one
>>>> occurs that can help us easily understand what the issues are. Also, if
>>>> prior to release documentation were gone through to make sure they are
>>>> legible. And if plugins released actually work as described. :-)
>>>> 
>>>> Sean
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 at 04:05, Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 8/30/22 19:36, Sean Cole via use-livecode wrote:
>>>>>>> just another 96 stacks to go.
>>>>>>> Looks like I'll set up an automation script.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ouch! I think the library would do well to check the password status and
>>>>> allow entering and cacheing the password as necessary. Too bad it's
>>>>> closed source so we can't fix it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> Mark Wieder
>>>>> ahsoftware at gmail.com
>>>>> 
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>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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From sean at pidigital.co.uk  Wed Aug 31 10:58:01 2022
From: sean at pidigital.co.uk (Sean Cole)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2022 15:58:01 +0100
Subject: Livecode / Github
In-Reply-To: <92124E94-C009-409F-8EA2-745C8B502C36@milby7.com>
References: <1F9327AF-F7BC-45B5-87B8-5E3463CBA5DF@milby7.com>
 <92124E94-C009-409F-8EA2-745C8B502C36@milby7.com>
Message-ID: <CABRqQSR=i0-u-9ApSA0uRUvEYu4TjqV-NUCAPxWBV+60L47o+w@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for the confirmation, Brian.

I tried again from the message box. With a stack this large it takes about
10 seconds before the mainStack disappears for exporting and then reappears
1 min later. About 4-8 mins after that it truely finishes where it flashes
up a white window for a moment then the error appears in the message box,
same as before, object does not have this property. Because everything is
handled using a GUID, I have no idea how far it has got nor which
particular object is causing the problem. We'll find it eventually, I'm
certain.

Sean

On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 at 15:48, Brian Milby via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> https://github.com/bwmilby/scriptTracker
>
> It appears that the JSON file does include all substacks.
>
> Brian Milby
> brian at milby7.com
>
> > On Aug 31, 2022, at 10:37 AM, Brian Milby <brian at milby7.com> wrote:
> >
> > I’ll run it on my much smaller ScriptTracker stack (which has a couple
> substacks) and report my findings.
> >
> > Brian Milby
> > brian at milby7.com
> >
> >> On Aug 31, 2022, at 10:34 AM, Pi Digital via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> It created a smartcrumbs folder which contained 1 .livecode.sc folder
> which contained 3 subfolders, medias, scripts and shareTexts. medias
> contained 1 images folder with 2,325 jpeg files. The scripts folder
> contained 22,006 livecodescript files. The sharedTexts folders contained
> 7,352 GUID ref’d folders with one or more html files as well as 7,462
> separate html files. And that is all.
> >>
> >> Having tried again using the Export button from the magicPallet (which,
> because of the delay between pressing the button and it actually exporting,
> should have a spinner or something to show its working on it) I get the
> same result but this time with nothing in the message box or any log file.
> >>
> >> I’ll try again but from the message box. The guide definitely says it
> will create a json file in each .livecode.sc folder that contains
> information about other objects and substacks. It doesn’t say we need to
> export each substack individually. But the json file should hold info about
> all the other stuff as well. We’ll see.
> >>
> >> Sean Cole
> >> Pi Digital Productions Ltd
> >>
> >> eMail Ts & Cs
> >>
> >>
> >>>> On 31 Aug 2022, at 13:46, Brian Milby via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Had it created any of the script or other objects?  Curious whether
> it builds the JSON first or if it is done while exporting the other assets.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Brian
> >>>
> >>>>> On Aug 31, 2022, at 6:02 AM, Sean Cole via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Well, I had to leave it overnight to finish exporting as it was
> clear to
> >>>> take some time. This was for just the main stack, not my long list of
> >>>> stacks. Looking at the message box this morning, though, has a
> response
> >>>>
> >>>> Message execution error:
> >>>> Error description: Object: object does not have this property
> >>>> Hint:
> >>>>
> >>>> 'Object does not have this property' ?? What property? Thanks LC for
> giving
> >>>> me all the information I need to fix it [shrugs]. It hasn't created
> the
> >>>> JSON file in the main .sc folder so it must have abandoned the
> operation at
> >>>> some point.
> >>>>
> >>>> I'll give it another go now after a reset and to another faster drive
> to
> >>>> see if that improves things but with no other info to go on I have no
> idea
> >>>> what needs to be done.
> >>>>
> >>>> LC Team: :-) It would be REALLY handy if proper errors were thrown
> when one
> >>>> occurs that can help us easily understand what the issues are. Also,
> if
> >>>> prior to release documentation were gone through to make sure they are
> >>>> legible. And if plugins released actually work as described. :-)
> >>>>
> >>>> Sean
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 at 04:05, Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
> >>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> On 8/30/22 19:36, Sean Cole via use-livecode wrote:
> >>>>>>> just another 96 stacks to go.
> >>>>>>> Looks like I'll set up an automation script.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Ouch! I think the library would do well to check the password status
> and
> >>>>> allow entering and cacheing the password as necessary. Too bad it's
> >>>>> closed source so we can't fix it.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Mark Wieder
> >>>>> ahsoftware at gmail.com
> >>>>>
> >>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>> use-livecode mailing list
> >>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> >>>>> subscription preferences:
> >>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >>>>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> use-livecode mailing list
> >>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
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> >>>
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Aug 31 11:17:59 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2022 15:17:59 +0000
Subject: Standardize Font Appearance
In-Reply-To: <CAPzQJLJpWyBoQq718sCaWPtRTEa8WDNpERbZMj_kjWqo+h1XDw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <16B11823-3348-421C-95A3-A8CF2A7170CA@iotecdigital.com>
 <B92C5423-EF23-4CD6-9DF1-5E147B7BC359@iotecdigital.com>
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Message-ID: <5C7E50AF-B53A-4ED6-AD7B-2841FBE4A9CD@iotecdigital.com>

Great idea! I looked for a download link for the fonts, but all I can find are github links to the source code (I don't want to have to build out all the fonts if that's what that is) and other sources for font downloaders and synchs. Is there anywhere I can just download the OTF files? 

Bob S


> On Aug 30, 2022, at 17:36 , Tom Glod via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> THe only way to do this is to use google's web fonts and ship them with
> your project. It works well.
> To save you the trouble, Android requires the fonts to be in a "fonts"
> folder in the root folder of your projects.
> Or at least its what I read somewhere in the forums.
> 
> Cheers Bob
> 
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2022 at 7:21 PM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hmmm spoke to soon. I see Start Using Font in the dictionary. I'll explore.
>> 
>> Bob S
>> 
>> 
>> On Aug 30, 2022, at 16:12 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com<mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all.
>> 
>> I'm at the point now where I want to clean up the appearance of all my
>> projects across all platforms. For instance, I have a Time Calculator stack
>> that calculates total time for any number of start/stop/lunch entries. I
>> have heretofore left my field and label fonts at the default, which for
>> MacOS is <whateveritis>. But when I create a standalone for Windows, the
>> size of that text is larger, and so any labels I have overflow the label
>> and only show me part of the text.
>> 
>> What I want to do is set up my environment so that whatever font I use in
>> the MacOS uses, there is an identical font on the Windows side as well. I
>> know there is a way to embed fonts in a project, but I don't really
>> understand how that works.
>> 
>> If I use a font that exists in both Mac and Windows, a common web font for
>> instance, they do not look at all the same on both platforms. Verdana is a
>> good example. I am not averse to purchasing a font family or two and
>> statically setting my font, size and style for every object, so long as the
>> Windows and MacOS look (reasonably) the same.
>> 
>> Any ideas?
>> 
>> Bob S
>> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Aug 31 11:27:22 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2022 15:27:22 +0000
Subject: Standardize Font Appearance
In-Reply-To: <5C7E50AF-B53A-4ED6-AD7B-2841FBE4A9CD@iotecdigital.com>
References: <16B11823-3348-421C-95A3-A8CF2A7170CA@iotecdigital.com>
 <B92C5423-EF23-4CD6-9DF1-5E147B7BC359@iotecdigital.com>
 <CAPzQJLJpWyBoQq718sCaWPtRTEa8WDNpERbZMj_kjWqo+h1XDw@mail.gmail.com>
 <5C7E50AF-B53A-4ED6-AD7B-2841FBE4A9CD@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <97A503CE-34F0-4BA8-8CA8-C7E52E7A1364@iotecdigital.com>

Okay I see there are a butt-ton of them and must be downloaded individually. They can be had at fonts.com<http://fonts.com>. I already found one I like for my module headers!

Bob S


On Aug 31, 2022, at 08:17 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com<mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:

Great idea! I looked for a download link for the fonts, but all I can find are github links to the source code (I don't want to have to build out all the fonts if that's what that is) and other sources for font downloaders and synchs. Is there anywhere I can just download the OTF files?

Bob S


From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Wed Aug 31 12:11:02 2022
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2022 09:11:02 -0700
Subject: Livecode / Github
In-Reply-To: <CABRqQSR=i0-u-9ApSA0uRUvEYu4TjqV-NUCAPxWBV+60L47o+w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1F9327AF-F7BC-45B5-87B8-5E3463CBA5DF@milby7.com>
 <92124E94-C009-409F-8EA2-745C8B502C36@milby7.com>
 <CABRqQSR=i0-u-9ApSA0uRUvEYu4TjqV-NUCAPxWBV+60L47o+w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <426b5d44-e22c-851e-4119-f34e2940b3a2@sonic.net>

On 8/31/22 07:58, Sean Cole via use-livecode wrote:
> Thanks for the confirmation, Brian.
> 
> I tried again from the message box. With a stack this large it takes about
> 10 seconds before the mainStack disappears for exporting and then reappears
> 1 min later. About 4-8 mins after that it truely finishes where it flashes
> up a white window for a moment then the error appears in the message box,
> same as before, object does not have this property. Because everything is
> handled using a GUID, I have no idea how far it has got nor which
> particular object is causing the problem. We'll find it eventually, I'm
> certain.

Was a log file created? scGetPathLog()
No logs were created for me, but just a thought.

https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23910

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com


From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Wed Aug 31 12:13:32 2022
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2022 09:13:32 -0700
Subject: Livecode / Github
In-Reply-To: <CABRqQSSPCCtg1o6MOfyMHta+O1vvOAsJc7JQCHVzLdEgVZU7gQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKtp2N49WGjVsO8w9CE=evqsvBrdWdoooawF_Mc4UQNiqSQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <3ba1188d-59d4-c5d7-3f8e-262529b5ccfc@sonic.net>

On 8/31/22 03:00, Sean Cole via use-livecode wrote:

> LC Team: :-) It would be REALLY handy if proper errors were thrown when one
> occurs that can help us easily understand what the issues are. Also, if
> prior to release documentation were gone through to make sure they are
> legible. And if plugins released actually work as described. :-)

Actually, it's even worse.
The result is empty if no error occurred and "* successful" if it 
worked. To me that seems backwards.

https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23911

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Aug  1 11:20:49 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2022 15:20:49 +0000
Subject: wait 0 with messages
In-Reply-To: <079188a0-9eac-521d-c0d0-a0f1cb087cdb@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <1cae43a6-063a-8243-cee2-cbf8e3b45e47@researchware.com>
 <73d66312-e94e-aba5-5189-67ed6dc9995e@sonic.net>
 <ab1a0a53-f4f0-ed90-298a-6aaf4a01f7ea@researchware.com>
 <8c7a0ae9-c8c8-14be-aea1-efa3cb915bd0@sonic.net>
 <079188a0-9eac-521d-c0d0-a0f1cb087cdb@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <56AA8EF8-C926-4A17-AEC3-16EA9D85350D@iotecdigital.com>

This is correct. 

Bob S


> On Jul 31, 2022, at 12:14 , J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> On 7/31/22 12:04 AM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:
>> I don't think "wait 0" by itself does anything useful. Make a stack with two buttons. Running the script in the first button will prevent mouseUp events in button 2 from being processed.
> 
> I think it must do something, "wait 0" is a workaround for bug 22453 (and 18924 which is now marked as a duplicate.) I had to use the workaround and it works.
> 
> So my take is that any wait allows LC to do housekeeping, and "with messages" also allows app-generated messages. I'd like to get a confirmation from the team though.
> 
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From paul at researchware.com  Mon Aug  1 15:43:25 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2022 15:43:25 -0400
Subject: wait 0 with messages (and the defaultStack)
In-Reply-To: <1cae43a6-063a-8243-cee2-cbf8e3b45e47@researchware.com>
References: <1cae43a6-063a-8243-cee2-cbf8e3b45e47@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <4187625e-70c0-4873-05b9-78681c875c8f@researchware.com>

On 7/30/2022 3:53 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
> My understanding of 'wait 0 with messages' is that it will cause any 
> pending messages, that are not scheduled for a time later than the 
> current time, in the pendingMessages queue to be processed before 
> continuing. Messages later than the current time (when the statement 
> is executed) will not be processed (yet).
>
> Is this correct?
>

First, than you to those that have responded.

The reason I got curious about 'wait 0 with messages' (or even just 
'wait 0') is because of an epiphany I had just last week regarding a bug 
a customer reported in our software. The customer experienced and 
execution error and our software presents a custom dialog that allows 
them to email out support account some information, including the 
'executionContexts' so we have some code debugging information.

The problem as a 'can't find object' error. In reviewing the code, I 
could see no way that the error should have occurred. The code was using 
the ChartMaker library to create a graph. It all looked good per 
documentation and we could not reproduce the error in house. I then 
noticed a 'wait 0 with messages' prior to the line the error occurred on 
and noticed that the line that had the error used object references 
relative to the current stack (which the defaultStack was explicitly set 
to much prior).

My epiphany was realizing - for the first time, despite LiveCodeing 
since HyperCard and having a Masters in Computer Science and my entire 
career being in the IT/software development space for over 40 years - 
that when the 'wait 0 with messages' is executed, if there was a pending 
USER click on another window, the defaultStack could change and then the 
relative object references would not be able to find their target objects.

Perhaps I should have realized that a 'wait 0 with messages' COULD 
result in the defaultStack changing much sooner OR perhaps I should 
always fully qualify all object references (which I have been doing for 
quite a few years, but this was old code), but it is a 'gotcha' of using 
wait with messages I had never thought of.

The Dictionary Entry (LC 9.6.8) does state "If the wait..with messages 
form is used, LiveCode continues normal processing during the wait. The 
current handler is frozen, but the user can start other handlers and 
perform other actions such as switching cards." and 'switching cards' 
does imply changing the context of relative object references even if 
the defaultStack does not change, so perhaps I should have realized, but 
didn't until just last week.

Now I am very curious about exactly what wait 0 with messages does and 
also about what actions change the defaultStack. Does anyone know of an 
article or something someone has done to identify all the messages, 
commands, or functions that change (or potentially change) the defaultStack?





From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Aug  1 16:08:30 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2022 20:08:30 +0000
Subject: wait 0 with messages (and the defaultStack)
In-Reply-To: <4187625e-70c0-4873-05b9-78681c875c8f@researchware.com>
References: <1cae43a6-063a-8243-cee2-cbf8e3b45e47@researchware.com>
 <4187625e-70c0-4873-05b9-78681c875c8f@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <2DBED7E7-0692-4E1C-88FA-7A8396BE4017@iotecdigital.com>

It's my understanding that wait allows idle messages from the engine to be sent. When that happens, any send in time messages are processed. Wait with messages allows any other messages including engine messages to be processed. 

For instance, I have a FindBar object that uses wait 1 second with messages in a keyDown handler so that as the user continues to type the keystrokes can be processed. If the user pauses for 1 or more seconds, the code that performs the find is triggered, and then I exit to top to prevent any more unnecessary processing (otherwise the loop would keep going until all the keystrokes were processed). 

Bob S


> On Aug 1, 2022, at 12:43 , Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Now I am very curious about exactly what wait 0 with messages does and also about what actions change the defaultStack. Does anyone know of an article or something someone has done to identify all the messages, commands, or functions that change (or potentially change) the defaultStack?



From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Aug  1 16:16:24 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2022 20:16:24 +0000
Subject: wait 0 with messages (and the defaultStack)
In-Reply-To: <4187625e-70c0-4873-05b9-78681c875c8f@researchware.com>
References: <1cae43a6-063a-8243-cee2-cbf8e3b45e47@researchware.com>
 <4187625e-70c0-4873-05b9-78681c875c8f@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <C9E6D818-C65F-4B08-9037-8103431CF6C1@iotecdigital.com>

As my application(s) became more complex, I also ran into topstack and curentcard issues. As a result, I am in the habit now of either using "of me" appended to every command of in a card or stack script, or else sending the long id of an object to a command or function that is not in the message path. 

For instance, if I am processing all the fields on a card, I put the handler in the card script and then use the form 'field "myField" of me' to reference each field. Even better, if I reference the object repeatedly I will 'put the long id of <object reference> of me' into a variable initially, then use the variable as a reference. 

Bob S


> On Aug 1, 2022, at 12:43 , Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> The Dictionary Entry (LC 9.6.8) does state "If the wait..with messages form is used, LiveCode continues normal processing during the wait. The current handler is frozen, but the user can start other handlers and perform other actions such as switching cards." and 'switching cards' does imply changing the context of relative object references even if the defaultStack does not change, so perhaps I should have realized, but didn't until just last week.



From paul at researchware.com  Mon Aug  1 16:25:08 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2022 16:25:08 -0400
Subject: wait 0 with messages (and the defaultStack)
In-Reply-To: <C9E6D818-C65F-4B08-9037-8103431CF6C1@iotecdigital.com>
References: <1cae43a6-063a-8243-cee2-cbf8e3b45e47@researchware.com>
 <4187625e-70c0-4873-05b9-78681c875c8f@researchware.com>
 <C9E6D818-C65F-4B08-9037-8103431CF6C1@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <f8be6d7d-d702-8a95-4fab-8d56b94d9b80@researchware.com>

Yea, a number of years ago, I went to always fully qualifying object 
references through all the techniques you mentioned, but we've just not 
had a chance to scrub the entire code base (100,000 lines+) and so this 
one got missed until now.

We're now going through the entire code base to catch any last cases 
where object references could be in error due to any wait with messages 
statements (combined with user actions).


On 8/1/2022 4:16 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
> As my application(s) became more complex, I also ran into topstack and curentcard issues. As a result, I am in the habit now of either using "of me" appended to every command of in a card or stack script, or else sending the long id of an object to a command or function that is not in the message path.
>
> For instance, if I am processing all the fields on a card, I put the handler in the card script and then use the form 'field "myField" of me' to reference each field. Even better, if I reference the object repeatedly I will 'put the long id of <object reference> of me' into a variable initially, then use the variable as a reference.
>
> Bob S
>
>
>> On Aug 1, 2022, at 12:43 , Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> The Dictionary Entry (LC 9.6.8) does state "If the wait..with messages form is used, LiveCode continues normal processing during the wait. The current handler is frozen, but the user can start other handlers and perform other actions such as switching cards." and 'switching cards' does imply changing the context of relative object references even if the defaultStack does not change, so perhaps I should have realized, but didn't until just last week.
>
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From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Wed Aug  3 09:10:55 2022
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2022 15:10:55 +0200
Subject: Is Livecode (the company) closed for holiday?
Message-ID: <F1F5BD95-9A3F-424C-B75D-D0A268F16C18@m-r-d.de>

Hi,

does anyone know if Livecode Ltd. is closed for holiday or so?

I am just wondering, my Pro Support request is not answered since Friday and no one can be reached by phone.

Regards,

Matthias



From sean at pidigital.co.uk  Wed Aug  3 09:36:19 2022
From: sean at pidigital.co.uk (Sean Cole)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2022 14:36:19 +0100
Subject: Dispatch
Message-ID: <CABRqQSSw4os6_WO87g=WPpstfuRZ6T8rKZa_qaWGPjWyTS4nrw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,
I've been thinking about the command 'dispatch'. Is there any
advantage/disadvantage in using it over just calling your handler?
Thanks
Sean

From craig at starfirelighting.com  Wed Aug  3 10:30:21 2022
From: craig at starfirelighting.com (Craig Newman)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2022 10:30:21 -0400
Subject: Dispatch
In-Reply-To: <CABRqQSSw4os6_WO87g=WPpstfuRZ6T8rKZa_qaWGPjWyTS4nrw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABRqQSSw4os6_WO87g=WPpstfuRZ6T8rKZa_qaWGPjWyTS4nrw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D5EE7348-BE69-4C68-BAC5-B22929659DFF@starfirelighting.com>

Hi.

“Send” and “Dispatch” do much the same thing, but they do differ in how they interact with the message patch. They also each include their own personal gadgetry that comes in handy in different scenarios. Read about both in the dictionary, and do some experimentation with both.

Craig

> On Aug 3, 2022, at 9:36 AM, Sean Cole via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> I've been thinking about the command 'dispatch'. Is there any
> advantage/disadvantage in using it over just calling your handler?
> Thanks
> Sean
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Aug  3 11:23:20 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2022 15:23:20 +0000
Subject: Dispatch
In-Reply-To: <D5EE7348-BE69-4C68-BAC5-B22929659DFF@starfirelighting.com>
References: <CABRqQSSw4os6_WO87g=WPpstfuRZ6T8rKZa_qaWGPjWyTS4nrw@mail.gmail.com>
 <D5EE7348-BE69-4C68-BAC5-B22929659DFF@starfirelighting.com>
Message-ID: <0C81E366-8423-4A8C-87DA-43AE7D11A39A@iotecdigital.com>

Send allows you to send in time. However the command or function must exist or you will throw an error. Dispatch cannot use send in time, but if a handler does not exist in the message path of the object you dispatch to, no error will be thrown. 

This can come in handy. Let's say you have assigned a behavior in all your fields, but in a few of your fields you have a special handler called Cleanup. You can then, 'dispatch "cleanup" to me' in any handler in the behavior. The fields that have the cleanup handler will get the message. The ones that don't will not throw an error. 

Bob S


> On Aug 3, 2022, at 07:30 , Craig Newman via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> On Aug 3, 2022, at 9:36 AM, Sean Cole via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> I've been thinking about the command 'dispatch'. Is there any
>> advantage/disadvantage in using it over just calling your handler?
>> Thanks
>> Sean



From sean at pidigital.co.uk  Wed Aug  3 11:27:04 2022
From: sean at pidigital.co.uk (Sean Cole)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2022 16:27:04 +0100
Subject: Dispatch
In-Reply-To: <D5EE7348-BE69-4C68-BAC5-B22929659DFF@starfirelighting.com>
References: <CABRqQSSw4os6_WO87g=WPpstfuRZ6T8rKZa_qaWGPjWyTS4nrw@mail.gmail.com>
 <D5EE7348-BE69-4C68-BAC5-B22929659DFF@starfirelighting.com>
Message-ID: <CABRqQSQ6oY8icZCEbRnzGmtgF2fWSWi0kdW84Aay=FNr_ji4UA@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Craig,
I was particularly asking if there was any 'advantage/disadvantage' in using

dispatch myHandler with myVar

over just using

myHandler

The dictionary defines its advantages for use with behaviours and that it
returns in the 'it' variable if the message was handled or not - useful
even when not used with behaviours in some cases I could imagine.

However, I wondered if anyone else had already done the experimentation as
to the dis/advantages of the above. Just making use of the community :)
Sean

On Wed, 3 Aug 2022 at 15:30, Craig Newman via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi.
>
> “Send” and “Dispatch” do much the same thing, but they do differ in how
> they interact with the message patch. They also each include their own
> personal gadgetry that comes in handy in different scenarios. Read about
> both in the dictionary, and do some experimentation with both.
>
> Craig
>
> > On Aug 3, 2022, at 9:36 AM, Sean Cole via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> > I've been thinking about the command 'dispatch'. Is there any
> > advantage/disadvantage in using it over just calling your handler?
> > Thanks
> > Sean
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Aug  3 11:27:33 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2022 15:27:33 +0000
Subject: Dispatch
In-Reply-To: <0C81E366-8423-4A8C-87DA-43AE7D11A39A@iotecdigital.com>
References: <CABRqQSSw4os6_WO87g=WPpstfuRZ6T8rKZa_qaWGPjWyTS4nrw@mail.gmail.com>
 <D5EE7348-BE69-4C68-BAC5-B22929659DFF@starfirelighting.com>
 <0C81E366-8423-4A8C-87DA-43AE7D11A39A@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <28DF53EE-8854-4CD2-AE17-95D821551FE0@iotecdigital.com>

That should read, "Dispatch cannot use 'in time'"

> On Aug 3, 2022, at 08:23 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Dispatch cannot use send in time



From heather at livecode.com  Wed Aug  3 11:31:10 2022
From: heather at livecode.com (Heather Laine)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2022 16:31:10 +0100
Subject: Is Livecode (the company) closed for holiday?
In-Reply-To: <F1F5BD95-9A3F-424C-B75D-D0A268F16C18@m-r-d.de>
References: <F1F5BD95-9A3F-424C-B75D-D0A268F16C18@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <536B753A-698F-450A-81F0-872BE2DD1E31@livecode.com>

We are open. Yesterday was a bank holiday in Scotland yes. We don't work at weekends. I have a fair bit to catch up on and I'm not at my usual desk owing to some family issues hence cannot answer the phone. I see your ticket and it is going to get a response very shortly... I am nearing it in the queue.

:)

Best Regards,

Heather

Heather Laine
Customer Services Manager
LiveCode Ltd
www.livecode.com



> On 3 Aug 2022, at 14:10, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> does anyone know if Livecode Ltd. is closed for holiday or so?
> 
> I am just wondering, my Pro Support request is not answered since Friday and no one can be reached by phone.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Matthias
> 
> 
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From heather at livecode.com  Wed Aug  3 11:33:32 2022
From: heather at livecode.com (Heather Laine)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2022 16:33:32 +0100
Subject: Is Livecode (the company) closed for holiday?
In-Reply-To: <536B753A-698F-450A-81F0-872BE2DD1E31@livecode.com>
References: <F1F5BD95-9A3F-424C-B75D-D0A268F16C18@m-r-d.de>
 <536B753A-698F-450A-81F0-872BE2DD1E31@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <F4DEB1FA-571B-4A3D-B6DB-2846D730BEB3@livecode.com>

*Monday was a bank holiday. I see that today is Wednesday so my comment that yesterday was a bank holiday was erroneous. It was Tuesday. As previously mentioned, I am working around some family issues and there is a fair bit of support to catch up on.

Best Regards,

Heather

Heather Laine
Customer Services Manager
LiveCode Ltd
www.livecode.com



> On 3 Aug 2022, at 16:31, Heather Laine via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> We are open. Yesterday was a bank holiday in Scotland yes. We don't work at weekends. I have a fair bit to catch up on and I'm not at my usual desk owing to some family issues hence cannot answer the phone. I see your ticket and it is going to get a response very shortly... I am nearing it in the queue.
> 
> :)
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Heather
> 
> Heather Laine
> Customer Services Manager
> LiveCode Ltd
> www.livecode.com
> 
> 
> 
>> On 3 Aug 2022, at 14:10, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> does anyone know if Livecode Ltd. is closed for holiday or so?
>> 
>> I am just wondering, my Pro Support request is not answered since Friday and no one can be reached by phone.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Matthias
>> 
>> 
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From sean at pidigital.co.uk  Wed Aug  3 11:38:15 2022
From: sean at pidigital.co.uk (Sean Cole)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2022 16:38:15 +0100
Subject: Dispatch
In-Reply-To: <0C81E366-8423-4A8C-87DA-43AE7D11A39A@iotecdigital.com>
References: <CABRqQSSw4os6_WO87g=WPpstfuRZ6T8rKZa_qaWGPjWyTS4nrw@mail.gmail.com>
 <D5EE7348-BE69-4C68-BAC5-B22929659DFF@starfirelighting.com>
 <0C81E366-8423-4A8C-87DA-43AE7D11A39A@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CABRqQSR+wGkZehm1L6UoA4h9R0uxjBG_76wTL8yPgkbAZHHcMw@mail.gmail.com>

Awesome Bob,
Thanks for the info. That is really helpful. I often use 'try' to catch
incidents where things trip over, but this might just be more useful and
perform slightly better going forward.

Are there any other tips for its use?

Sean


On Wed, 3 Aug 2022 at 16:23, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Send allows you to send in time. However the command or function must
> exist or you will throw an error. Dispatch cannot use send in time, but if
> a handler does not exist in the message path of the object you dispatch to,
> no error will be thrown.
>
> This can come in handy. Let's say you have assigned a behavior in all your
> fields, but in a few of your fields you have a special handler called
> Cleanup. You can then, 'dispatch "cleanup" to me' in any handler in the
> behavior. The fields that have the cleanup handler will get the message.
> The ones that don't will not throw an error.
>
> Bob S
>
>
> > On Aug 3, 2022, at 07:30 , Craig Newman via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Aug 3, 2022, at 9:36 AM, Sean Cole via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi all,
> >> I've been thinking about the command 'dispatch'. Is there any
> >> advantage/disadvantage in using it over just calling your handler?
> >> Thanks
> >> Sean
>
>
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From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Wed Aug  3 11:42:02 2022
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2022 17:42:02 +0200
Subject: Is Livecode (the company) closed for holiday?
In-Reply-To: <F4DEB1FA-571B-4A3D-B6DB-2846D730BEB3@livecode.com>
References: <F1F5BD95-9A3F-424C-B75D-D0A268F16C18@m-r-d.de>
 <536B753A-698F-450A-81F0-872BE2DD1E31@livecode.com>
 <F4DEB1FA-571B-4A3D-B6DB-2846D730BEB3@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <3D0E41E9-5E79-42E3-8036-792FFB1186F7@m-r-d.de>

Hello Heather,
thanks for your reply. That explains it.

All the best for you family issues.

Regards,

Matthias

> Am 03.08.2022 um 17:33 schrieb Heather Laine via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> *Monday was a bank holiday. I see that today is Wednesday so my comment that yesterday was a bank holiday was erroneous. It was Tuesday. As previously mentioned, I am working around some family issues and there is a fair bit of support to catch up on.
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Heather
> 
> Heather Laine
> Customer Services Manager
> LiveCode Ltd
> www.livecode.com
> 
> 
> 
>> On 3 Aug 2022, at 16:31, Heather Laine via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> We are open. Yesterday was a bank holiday in Scotland yes. We don't work at weekends. I have a fair bit to catch up on and I'm not at my usual desk owing to some family issues hence cannot answer the phone. I see your ticket and it is going to get a response very shortly... I am nearing it in the queue.
>> 
>> :)
>> 
>> Best Regards,
>> 
>> Heather
>> 
>> Heather Laine
>> Customer Services Manager
>> LiveCode Ltd
>> www.livecode.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 3 Aug 2022, at 14:10, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> does anyone know if Livecode Ltd. is closed for holiday or so?
>>> 
>>> I am just wondering, my Pro Support request is not answered since Friday and no one can be reached by phone.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Matthias
>>> 
>>> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Aug  3 11:43:28 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2022 15:43:28 +0000
Subject: Is Livecode (the company) closed for holiday?
In-Reply-To: <F4DEB1FA-571B-4A3D-B6DB-2846D730BEB3@livecode.com>
References: <F1F5BD95-9A3F-424C-B75D-D0A268F16C18@m-r-d.de>
 <536B753A-698F-450A-81F0-872BE2DD1E31@livecode.com>
 <F4DEB1FA-571B-4A3D-B6DB-2846D730BEB3@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <FD0A9B9D-376C-494A-938F-9020E1454D24@iotecdigital.com>

All my prayers. 

Bob S


> On Aug 3, 2022, at 08:33 , Heather Laine via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> *Monday was a bank holiday. I see that today is Wednesday so my comment that yesterday was a bank holiday was erroneous. It was Tuesday. As previously mentioned, I am working around some family issues and there is a fair bit of support to catch up on.
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Heather
> 
> Heather Laine



From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Wed Aug  3 11:53:06 2022
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2022 08:53:06 -0700
Subject: Dispatch
In-Reply-To: <CABRqQSSw4os6_WO87g=WPpstfuRZ6T8rKZa_qaWGPjWyTS4nrw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABRqQSSw4os6_WO87g=WPpstfuRZ6T8rKZa_qaWGPjWyTS4nrw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <79446712-559b-9177-ea02-26eacaadc37a@sonic.net>

On 8/3/22 06:36, Sean Cole via use-livecode wrote:
> Hi all,
> I've been thinking about the command 'dispatch'. Is there any
> advantage/disadvantage in using it over just calling your handler?

If you can invoke a command/function directly then for the most part 
there's no real advantage in using dispatch.

I never use send anymore unless I need send a message in time.
I do use dispatch extensively, mostly for two reasons.

One, if I'm calling a handler in a different object that is outside the 
normal message path then I'll dispatch the handler to that object rather 
than using send. One caveat: note that the dispatch command returns a 
three-state value: "handled", "unhandled", and "passed". So on checking 
the return value I use "if it it not unhandled then...". The advantage 
is that there's no runtime error if the command isn't caught, at the 
slight disadvantage of having to check whether it was handled.

The second case where I use dispatch is as a form of publish/subscribe: 
dispatching a command without a receiver object sends the command along 
the message path where it can be handled/passed by any object along the 
way. Or not. Mostly in this paradigm I don't need or want to check the 
return value because it's irrelevant to the sender whether or not the 
message was handled.

The dispatch command can also be useful for feature management. Dispatch 
a command down the message path, and if the given feature is enabled 
then the command will be handled. If not then there's no downside to 
calling the feature because it won't cause a runtime error.


-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com


From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net  Wed Aug  3 12:14:49 2022
From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2022 12:14:49 -0400
Subject: Is Livecode (the company) closed for holiday?
In-Reply-To: <FD0A9B9D-376C-494A-938F-9020E1454D24@iotecdigital.com>
References: <F1F5BD95-9A3F-424C-B75D-D0A268F16C18@m-r-d.de>
 <536B753A-698F-450A-81F0-872BE2DD1E31@livecode.com>
 <F4DEB1FA-571B-4A3D-B6DB-2846D730BEB3@livecode.com>
 <FD0A9B9D-376C-494A-938F-9020E1454D24@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <005201d8a754$2b458f20$81d0ad60$@net>

+1

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services


-----Original Message-----
From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf
Of Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2022 11:43 AM
To: How to use LiveCode
Cc: Bob Sneidar
Subject: Re: Is Livecode (the company) closed for holiday?

All my prayers. 

Bob S


> On Aug 3, 2022, at 08:33 , Heather Laine via use-livecode
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> *Monday was a bank holiday. I see that today is Wednesday so my comment
that yesterday was a bank holiday was erroneous. It was Tuesday. As
previously mentioned, I am working around some family issues and there is a
fair bit of support to catch up on.
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Heather
> 
> Heather Laine


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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Aug  3 12:14:47 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2022 16:14:47 +0000
Subject: Dispatch
In-Reply-To: <79446712-559b-9177-ea02-26eacaadc37a@sonic.net>
References: <CABRqQSSw4os6_WO87g=WPpstfuRZ6T8rKZa_qaWGPjWyTS4nrw@mail.gmail.com>
 <79446712-559b-9177-ea02-26eacaadc37a@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <55AF53BA-B023-4E4E-BB28-A8885F5C420B@iotecdigital.com>

One correction. If a value is returned by the handler that was called, the result will be that value. 

Bob S


> On Aug 3, 2022, at 08:53 , Mark Wieder via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> One, if I'm calling a handler in a different object that is outside the normal message path then I'll dispatch the handler to that object rather than using send. One caveat: note that the dispatch command returns a three-state value: "handled", "unhandled", and "passed". So on checking the return value I use "if it it not unhandled then...". The advantage is that there's no runtime error if the command isn't caught, at the slight disadvantage of having to check whether it was handled.



From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Wed Aug  3 12:25:44 2022
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2022 09:25:44 -0700
Subject: Dispatch
In-Reply-To: <55AF53BA-B023-4E4E-BB28-A8885F5C420B@iotecdigital.com>
References: <CABRqQSSw4os6_WO87g=WPpstfuRZ6T8rKZa_qaWGPjWyTS4nrw@mail.gmail.com>
 <79446712-559b-9177-ea02-26eacaadc37a@sonic.net>
 <55AF53BA-B023-4E4E-BB28-A8885F5C420B@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <20a53b53-5a34-a550-ef1d-d5b216c7404f@sonic.net>

On 8/3/22 09:14, Bob Sneidar wrote:
> One correction. If a value is returned by the handler that was called, the result will be that value.

Yeah - good catch. I meant to say the "it" value is three-state, not the 
"result".

dispatch someMessage
if it is not "unhandled" then...
or
if it is "passed" then...
or
if it is "handled" then...

and note that you can dispatch functions as well a commands, and the 
return value of the function will be in the result if "it" is not 
"unhandled".


-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com


From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net  Wed Aug  3 12:56:28 2022
From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2022 12:56:28 -0400
Subject: Dispatch / Send / Wait with/without Messages
In-Reply-To: <55AF53BA-B023-4E4E-BB28-A8885F5C420B@iotecdigital.com>
References: <CABRqQSSw4os6_WO87g=WPpstfuRZ6T8rKZa_qaWGPjWyTS4nrw@mail.gmail.com>
 <79446712-559b-9177-ea02-26eacaadc37a@sonic.net>
 <55AF53BA-B023-4E4E-BB28-A8885F5C420B@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <005601d8a759$fc36d710$f4a48530$@net>

I'm having the same epiphany as Paul did below. The cornucopia of
flexibility(and gotchas) that LC's message path model provides using:
1) Standard issue calling of commands and functions.
2) Engine messages
3) Send (optionally in time)
4) Dispatch
5) Wait in time with/without messages
6) exit to top

And any others that I left out or don't know about can do things that I
never could have imagined when I first found LC. Although I use all the
above there's probably combinations I can't wrap my head around without more
info. This would be a great as a dedicated chapter in a book and/or a Dr
Mark W symposium followed by Q&A at the next RR Live. There seems to be a
lot of app power/error prevention in the message path gold. For a newbie the
LCs message path gold would be very attractive if it was only well
documented and advertised.

My 2 cents...

Now back to changing some "wait with messages" to plain old waits to prevent
users from clicking and getting my code into trouble now-and-again.

Thanks to all on the list for this info!!!

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdimola at evergreeninfo.net


-----Original Message-----
From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf
Of Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2022 12:15 PM
To: How to use LiveCode
Cc: Bob Sneidar
Subject: Re: Dispatch

One correction. If a value is returned by the handler that was called, the
result will be that value. 

Bob S


> On Aug 3, 2022, at 08:53 , Mark Wieder via use-livecode
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> One, if I'm calling a handler in a different object that is outside the
normal message path then I'll dispatch the handler to that object rather
than using send. One caveat: note that the dispatch command returns a
three-state value: "handled", "unhandled", and "passed". So on checking the
return value I use "if it it not unhandled then...". The advantage is that
there's no runtime error if the command isn't caught, at the slight
disadvantage of having to check whether it was handled.


On 7/30/2022 3:53 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
> My understanding of 'wait 0 with messages' is that it will cause any 
> pending messages, that are not scheduled for a time later than the 
> current time, in the pendingMessages queue to be processed before 
> continuing. Messages later than the current time (when the statement 
> is executed) will not be processed (yet).
>
> Is this correct?
>

First, than you to those that have responded.

The reason I got curious about 'wait 0 with messages' (or even just 'wait
0') is because of an epiphany I had just last week regarding a bug a
customer reported in our software. The customer experienced and execution
error and our software presents a custom dialog that allows them to email
out support account some information, including the 'executionContexts' so
we have some code debugging information.

The problem as a 'can't find object' error. In reviewing the code, I could
see no way that the error should have occurred. The code was using the
ChartMaker library to create a graph. It all looked good per documentation
and we could not reproduce the error in house. I then noticed a 'wait 0 with
messages' prior to the line the error occurred on and noticed that the line
that had the error used object references relative to the current stack
(which the defaultStack was explicitly set to much prior).

My epiphany was realizing - for the first time, despite LiveCodeing since
HyperCard and having a Masters in Computer Science and my entire career
being in the IT/software development space for over 40 years - that when the
'wait 0 with messages' is executed, if there was a pending USER click on
another window, the defaultStack could change and then the relative object
references would not be able to find their target objects.

Perhaps I should have realized that a 'wait 0 with messages' COULD result in
the defaultStack changing much sooner OR perhaps I should always fully
qualify all object references (which I have been doing for quite a few
years, but this was old code), but it is a 'gotcha' of using wait with
messages I had never thought of.

The Dictionary Entry (LC 9.6.8) does state "If the wait..with messages form
is used, LiveCode continues normal processing during the wait. The current
handler is frozen, but the user can start other handlers and perform other
actions such as switching cards." and 'switching cards' 
does imply changing the context of relative object references even if the
defaultStack does not change, so perhaps I should have realized, but didn't
until just last week.

Now I am very curious about exactly what wait 0 with messages does and also
about what actions change the defaultStack. Does anyone know of an article
or something someone has done to identify all the messages, commands, or
functions that change (or potentially change) the defaultStack?



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From dfe4 at cornell.edu  Wed Aug  3 14:13:27 2022
From: dfe4 at cornell.edu (David Epstein)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2022 14:13:27 -0400
Subject: Is there a way to create a generic setprop handler?
References: <4E830440-7E96-4968-966D-D678573A4622@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4B96778D-8A8A-454C-A9B5-4A115BC1AFA1@cornell.edu>

Control “A” has many custom properties that are set by a variety of other controls.  If Control “A” has a "setProp property1” handler, it can react when property1 gets set.  But is there a way to give Control “A” a general handler that will be triggered whenever any of its custom properties is set?

David Epstein



From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Aug  3 14:36:51 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2022 18:36:51 +0000
Subject: Is there a way to create a generic setprop handler?
In-Reply-To: <4B96778D-8A8A-454C-A9B5-4A115BC1AFA1@cornell.edu>
References: <4E830440-7E96-4968-966D-D678573A4622@comcast.net>
 <4B96778D-8A8A-454C-A9B5-4A115BC1AFA1@cornell.edu>
Message-ID: <D1BBE313-F72A-48CF-A295-E71535D888AD@iotecdigital.com>

If I understand you then no. The only thing I would suggest is to use dispatch to trigger the "general handler" in all of your virtual properties (custom property is not the right phrase when referring to getProp/setProp). 

Bob S


> On Aug 3, 2022, at 11:13 , David Epstein via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Control “A” has many custom properties that are set by a variety of other controls.  If Control “A” has a "setProp property1” handler, it can react when property1 gets set.  But is there a way to give Control “A” a general handler that will be triggered whenever any of its custom properties is set?
> 
> David Epstein


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Aug  3 14:49:47 2022
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2022 11:49:47 -0700
Subject: Dispatch
In-Reply-To: <CABRqQSQ6oY8icZCEbRnzGmtgF2fWSWi0kdW84Aay=FNr_ji4UA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABRqQSQ6oY8icZCEbRnzGmtgF2fWSWi0kdW84Aay=FNr_ji4UA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <486e9c51-d82b-c069-44b9-ad1f0fd61a08@fourthworld.com>

Sean Cole write:

 > I was particularly asking if there was any 'advantage/disadvantage'
 > in using
 >
 >  dispatch myHandler with myVar
 >
 > over just using
 >
 >  myHandler


In coding as in life, when in doubt leave it out.

If something isn't needed it's usually simplest to not go out of your 
way to add it.

The message path is fine.

It works reliably, and with as much efficiency as the team can throw at 
it. In most cases it's not only the easiest thing to type and the most 
efficient to execute, its simplicity and predictability also aid 
debugging and maintenance.

For those times when you need an exception to the message path, LC 
provides many.  Send, do, call, dispatch, etc. - each has their own 
unique set of tradeoffs that make it a good fit for the specific 
circumstance where the native message path isn't what you need.

But those are for exceptional circumstances.

The native message path is the norm of this language.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Aug  3 15:28:10 2022
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2022 12:28:10 -0700
Subject: Is there a way to create a generic setprop handler?
In-Reply-To: <4B96778D-8A8A-454C-A9B5-4A115BC1AFA1@cornell.edu>
References: <4B96778D-8A8A-454C-A9B5-4A115BC1AFA1@cornell.edu>
Message-ID: <7293bb11-f5fa-4849-929f-cafca6063330@fourthworld.com>

David Epstein wrote:

 > Control A has many custom properties that are set by a variety
 > of other controls.  If Control A has a "setProp property1
 > handler, it can react when property1 gets set.  But is there a
 > way to give Control A a general handler that will be triggered
 > whenever any of its custom properties is set?

I don't know of a way to trap getProp and setProp generically, and that 
may not be bad since it would affect the performance of all custom 
property access, whether it's the subset of properties you're interested 
in or not.

An alternative could be to put the properties you want custom handling 
for into a custom property set of their own, e.g.:

    getPRop uPropSet[pKey]
       put the params
    end uPropSet

    on mouseUp
       get the uPropSet["key1"] of me
    end mouseUp

...puts this in the Message Box:

    uPropSet "key1"

This will allow open-ended trapping of property keys, but limited in 
scope to the set you need that for.


A word of caution with dependency on getProp and setProp:

Those messages are subject to suspension during lockMessages, which may 
be exactly what you want, or may have unintended side effects that can 
be maddening to track down if you don't keep that in mind.

Using getProp and setProp requires review of your code base, including 
any third-party libraries, which may lock messages so you can evaluate 
the implications for your circumstance.


If you need consistently reliable ways to trigger custom evaluation 
consider accessor handlers instead.  LockMessages only prevents system 
messages; calling a custom handler is not affected by lockMessages.

Examples:

-- Using an object as the value container:
on SetMyProp pKey, pVal
    set the uPropSet[pKey] of <someobject> to pVal
end SetMyProp

function GetMyProp pKey
   return the uPropSet[pKey] of <someObject>
end GetMyProp


-- Using an array variable as the value container:
on SetMyProp pKey, pVal
    put pVal into sPropVarA[pKey]
end SetMyProp

function GetMyProp pKey
   return sPropVarA[pKey]
end GetMyProp



-- Usage for either storage method:

on mouseUp
   SetMyProp "key1", "val1"
end mouseUp

on mouseUp
   put GetMyProp("key1") into fld 1
end mouseUp



Fun: If you abstract data access using normal custom handlers, you have 
one-stop-shopping to change the storage mechanism.  If you don't need 
persistence across sessions a variable may do, and if you need 
persistence you can store in an object whose stackfile gets saved, or 
encode the array variable and save that to disk, or use a local 
database, or even use any form of remote storage across the internet if 
you like -- all by updating just two handlers.


-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com


From dfe4 at cornell.edu  Wed Aug  3 18:08:48 2022
From: dfe4 at cornell.edu (David Epstein)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2022 18:08:48 -0400
Subject: Chart widget question
Message-ID: <B07133DD-E92C-4291-A308-47680501DF6E@cornell.edu>

Using LC 10 dp2, I am trying to script the creation of a chart widget.  

My command “create widget myName as chart in group myMain” creates only a small gray box.  

The LC command “New Widget/Chart” creates a line chart, ready to be modified.  What is the LC command doing that I am not?

Or:  how do I find the script that LC runs when the “New Widget/Chart” command is chosen?

David Epstein

From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Wed Aug  3 18:58:32 2022
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2022 00:58:32 +0200
Subject: Chart widget question
In-Reply-To: <B07133DD-E92C-4291-A308-47680501DF6E@cornell.edu>
References: <B07133DD-E92C-4291-A308-47680501DF6E@cornell.edu>
Message-ID: <38E3ED19-48AF-42D4-AEAA-7EC32216087A@m-r-d.de>

I have here only DP4 to test.

Don't you have to use com.livecode.widget.chart as widgetkind?

With
create widget "myChart" as "com.livecode.widget.chart"

set the width of last widget to 250

set the height of last widget to 250


i was able to create a chart. 

Regards,
Matthias


> Am 04.08.2022 um 00:08 schrieb David Epstein via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Using LC 10 dp2, I am trying to script the creation of a chart widget.  
> 
> My command “create widget myName as chart in group myMain” creates only a small gray box.  
> 
> The LC command “New Widget/Chart” creates a line chart, ready to be modified.  What is the LC command doing that I am not?
> 
> Or:  how do I find the script that LC runs when the “New Widget/Chart” command is chosen?
> 
> David Epstein
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From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Fri Aug  5 12:32:42 2022
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2022 12:32:42 -0400
Subject: megabundle thoughts
Message-ID: <CADCoycP1-8wwU3L4VEw3t39NJGjsnMR-+K7bzM6FW5m94C5sMg@mail.gmail.com>

i have not seen much discussion of the megabundle, especially about the
widgets, etc.
i'm not sure if it's worth the $.
thoughts?

-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."

From paul at researchware.com  Fri Aug  5 12:51:04 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2022 12:51:04 -0400
Subject: megabundle thoughts
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycP1-8wwU3L4VEw3t39NJGjsnMR-+K7bzM6FW5m94C5sMg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycP1-8wwU3L4VEw3t39NJGjsnMR-+K7bzM6FW5m94C5sMg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <310fafe6-4ac1-ef87-f1e0-0c9861928ce9@researchware.com>

On 8/5/2022 12:32 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode wrote:
> i have not seen much discussion of the megabundle, especially about the
> widgets, etc.
> i'm not sure if it's worth the $.
> thoughts?
>

I think the widgets are great additions to Livecode. That said, I have 
not purchased the MegaBundle. My Livecode commercial/business/whatever 
license is paid out to something like 2023 or 2024 due to past fund 
raising where the mothership offered license extensions as part of the 
packages in those efforts. I am licensed for all platforms, with the 
professional extensions, so I don't need any more platforms and I really 
don't need my license extended or any store credits. If there had been a 
bundle offering that was JUST the extra widgets and stuff without an LC 
license stuff bundled in, I would have bought one.

I don't like to get too far ahead of LC licensing. After all I could get 
hit by the proverbial bus tomorrow and having 2 years or prepaid LC 
licensing would go to waste (for me at least).

So, I think it is worth the $ if you need additional platforms and/or 
your license extended (if it is about to expire in, say, another 15 
months or less). It may not be worth the $ if you are all set for the 
next couple of years on LC licensing itself.


From alex at tweedly.net  Fri Aug  5 13:34:53 2022
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2022 18:34:53 +0100
Subject: megabundle thoughts
In-Reply-To: <310fafe6-4ac1-ef87-f1e0-0c9861928ce9@researchware.com>
References: <CADCoycP1-8wwU3L4VEw3t39NJGjsnMR-+K7bzM6FW5m94C5sMg@mail.gmail.com>
 <310fafe6-4ac1-ef87-f1e0-0c9861928ce9@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <85ca8d9e-3e9d-797f-8673-6fe89eb264b9@tweedly.net>

I kind of agree with Paul (though I ame to the opposite conclusion).

Once I discounted the items I'd already paid for (conferences, courses, 
books, etc.) and the multi-year future licensing already paid, the value 
of the megabundle shrank from "amazing" to "pretty good".

I decided to go ahead anyway (so I now have a $300 or $399 voucher that 
I may never get to use).


But about the widgets ....

I am very impressed by the PolyList widget; it lets you make 
sophisticated looking lists, including multi-column ones, very easy; I 
always disliked the fact that DataGrid couldn't do multi-column. I do 
think it needs, and will get, improvements (for example, I'd like to see 
a graphic UI to specify dataLayout - the current way seems kind of 
late-80's-ish :-)

Polygrid looks like it could be useful in the right place - haven't used 
it yet.

Responsive layout - seems like a great addition - I look forward to 
trying it out, but haven't got there yet.

Haven't yet investigated the others. I think they could all do with 
better documentation and examples, so I'm really waiting for a tutorial 
or blog from Steven before I dive into each :-)

Oh - and last thought - they could *really* do with a better release / 
version system, but that should resolve itself over time.

Alex.


On 05/08/2022 17:51, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
> On 8/5/2022 12:32 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode wrote:
>> i have not seen much discussion of the megabundle, especially about the
>> widgets, etc.
>> i'm not sure if it's worth the $.
>> thoughts?
>>
>
> I think the widgets are great additions to Livecode. That said, I have 
> not purchased the MegaBundle. My Livecode commercial/business/whatever 
> license is paid out to something like 2023 or 2024 due to past fund 
> raising where the mothership offered license extensions as part of the 
> packages in those efforts. I am licensed for all platforms, with the 
> professional extensions, so I don't need any more platforms and I 
> really don't need my license extended or any store credits. If there 
> had been a bundle offering that was JUST the extra widgets and stuff 
> without an LC license stuff bundled in, I would have bought one.
>
> I don't like to get too far ahead of LC licensing. After all I could 
> get hit by the proverbial bus tomorrow and having 2 years or prepaid 
> LC licensing would go to waste (for me at least).
>
> So, I think it is worth the $ if you need additional platforms and/or 
> your license extended (if it is about to expire in, say, another 15 
> months or less). It may not be worth the $ if you are all set for the 
> next couple of years on LC licensing itself.
>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Aug  5 13:46:55 2022
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2022 12:46:55 -0500
Subject: megabundle thoughts
In-Reply-To: <85ca8d9e-3e9d-797f-8673-6fe89eb264b9@tweedly.net>
References: <CADCoycP1-8wwU3L4VEw3t39NJGjsnMR-+K7bzM6FW5m94C5sMg@mail.gmail.com>
 <310fafe6-4ac1-ef87-f1e0-0c9861928ce9@researchware.com>
 <85ca8d9e-3e9d-797f-8673-6fe89eb264b9@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <1826f1e02b0.27a5.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>

I'm with Paul. I don't need additional licensing but if the widgets go on 
sale separately later then I'm in.

--
Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
On August 5, 2022 12:36:22 PM Alex Tweedly via use-livecode 
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I kind of agree with Paul (though I ame to the opposite conclusion).




From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Fri Aug  5 15:19:10 2022
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2022 21:19:10 +0200
Subject: megabundle thoughts
In-Reply-To: <1826f1e02b0.27a5.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <CADCoycP1-8wwU3L4VEw3t39NJGjsnMR-+K7bzM6FW5m94C5sMg@mail.gmail.com>
 <310fafe6-4ac1-ef87-f1e0-0c9861928ce9@researchware.com>
 <85ca8d9e-3e9d-797f-8673-6fe89eb264b9@tweedly.net>
 <1826f1e02b0.27a5.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <D9F73AF3-7A42-4634-A4CA-6C96125EB35D@m-r-d.de>

I own a Lifetime commercial (Indy) license for all current and future platforms and a current subscription to upgrade my license to the Pro features with Email support.

There are 2 items in the bundle  i was interested in: the Email parser library and also the PolyGrid widget. The other stuff like the ebooks, conference videos and others i already own or i could upgrade much cheaper (Curry's libraries) through the LC shop.

And without the voucher, which has the same value as the Megabundle costs,  i would not have purchased the bundle.

But i have also a subscription for the script compiler, so i decided to purchase the bundle and use the voucher for the next payments for the Script compiler subscription.

So in my case i did not loose money, but got some really usefull widgets and libraries on top. I did not pay much attention for the other widgets and libraries, but must confess that the PolyList (formerl DataView) and also the ResponsiveLayout library are really great enhancements.
 
So in case you have a current subscription in your LC account and you do not plan to cancel that subscription in near future, the MegaBundle is a bargain. You pay your subscription costs in advance and get some really great enhancements for LC.


Matthias



> Am 05.08.2022 um 19:46 schrieb J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> I'm with Paul. I don't need additional licensing but if the widgets go on sale separately later then I'm in.
> 
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> On August 5, 2022 12:36:22 PM Alex Tweedly via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> I kind of agree with Paul (though I ame to the opposite conclusion).
> 
> 
> 
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From andreas.bergendal at gmail.com  Sat Aug  6 07:44:31 2022
From: andreas.bergendal at gmail.com (Andreas Bergendal)
Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2022 13:44:31 +0200
Subject: How to use addEventListener for browser window resizing in web
 deployment?
Message-ID: <18C945D8-A19E-45C7-8E67-26D31B038F1B@gmail.com>

Hi all,

So I’ve been experimenting with web deployment with LC 10 dp 4. Now I would like my stack to be able to react to resizeStack events when the browser window is resized by the user. Or to adapt to e.g. a mobile browser screen size.

For this, if I understand correctly, some javascript needs to be used. I’ve tried to piece together how to do that from these sources:
https://livecode.com/using-the-new-web-features-in-livecode-10-dp-1/

and Ali Lloyd’s cool WordLC app:
https://alilloyd.livecodehosting.com/wordlc/wordlc.html

where he uses window.addEventListener(”resize” […] etc in the html file to catch browser window resizing for the stack to react on. However, as I can’t see his LC script side of it, I fail to figure out the proper adaptation to my needs:

I want my stack to get, from javascript, the impulse that the browser window has changed its width/height and what the new width/height is, in order to trigger a normal resizeStack handler to deal with that.

Ideally, the javascript part of this should be included by LC in the standalone build, and I hope that’s what they plan at least when LC10 stable ships (seems logical), but in the meantime - can someone please help get the code right?

/Andreas

From harrison at all-auctions.com  Sat Aug  6 10:30:25 2022
From: harrison at all-auctions.com (harrison at all-auctions.com)
Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2022 10:30:25 -0400
Subject: How to use addEventListener for browser window resizing in web
 deployment?
In-Reply-To: <18C945D8-A19E-45C7-8E67-26D31B038F1B@gmail.com>
References: <18C945D8-A19E-45C7-8E67-26D31B038F1B@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9D2BC0B9-C30E-4B65-8540-A1B4F611A7A2@all-auctions.com>

Hi Andreas,

I have found the following website to be very helpful with a lot of my javascript projects.

Do you know about these guys?

https://www.w3schools.com/js/default.asp <https://www.w3schools.com/js/default.asp>

I hope that helps you.

Cheers,

Rick

> On Aug 6, 2022, at 7:44 AM, Andreas Bergendal via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> So I’ve been experimenting with web deployment with LC 10 dp 4. Now I would like my stack to be able to react to resizeStack events when the browser window is resized by the user. Or to adapt to e.g. a mobile browser screen size.
> 
> For this, if I understand correctly, some javascript needs to be used. I’ve tried to piece together how to do that from these sources:
> https://livecode.com/using-the-new-web-features-in-livecode-10-dp-1/
> 
> and Ali Lloyd’s cool WordLC app:
> https://alilloyd.livecodehosting.com/wordlc/wordlc.html
> 
> where he uses window.addEventListener(”resize” […] etc in the html file to catch browser window resizing for the stack to react on. However, as I can’t see his LC script side of it, I fail to figure out the proper adaptation to my needs:
> 
> I want my stack to get, from javascript, the impulse that the browser window has changed its width/height and what the new width/height is, in order to trigger a normal resizeStack handler to deal with that.
> 
> Ideally, the javascript part of this should be included by LC in the standalone build, and I hope that’s what they plan at least when LC10 stable ships (seems logical), but in the meantime - can someone please help get the code right?
> 
> /Andreas
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From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Sat Aug  6 12:28:01 2022
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2022 09:28:01 -0700
Subject: How to use addEventListener for browser window resizing in web
 deployment?
In-Reply-To: <9D2BC0B9-C30E-4B65-8540-A1B4F611A7A2@all-auctions.com>
References: <18C945D8-A19E-45C7-8E67-26D31B038F1B@gmail.com>
 <9D2BC0B9-C30E-4B65-8540-A1B4F611A7A2@all-auctions.com>
Message-ID: <d10ba442-ec1b-2b47-6f2b-89ad440e02f3@sonic.net>

On 8/6/22 07:30, harrison--- via use-livecode wrote:

> I have found the following website to be very helpful with a lot of my javascript projects.
> 
> Do you know about these guys?
> 
> https://www.w3schools.com/js/default.asp <https://www.w3schools.com/js/default.asp>

And also the amazing GitHub Copilot:

https://docs.github.com/en/copilot

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com


From andreas.bergendal at gmail.com  Sat Aug  6 13:14:12 2022
From: andreas.bergendal at gmail.com (Andreas Bergendal)
Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2022 19:14:12 +0200
Subject: How to use addEventListener for browser window resizing in web
 deployment?
Message-ID: <22EEE677-D559-4EE6-BD06-2EBA9BC2AFDA@gmail.com>

Thanks guys, those are indeed great resources for many cases. 

What I’m after here however, are specific solutions to the javascript/livecode ’pairing’ of code to manage browser window/stack resizing.
To avoid reinventing the wheel, if possible. I imagine this would be of great interest to a lot of people here, since having your stack react to browser window resizing should be quite crucial in many cases of LC web deployment.

That’s why I’m also confident that the mothership will build this into future releases of LC10. But as an early adopter, I can’t wait… ;-)

From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Sat Aug  6 13:28:33 2022
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2022 10:28:33 -0700
Subject: How to use addEventListener for browser window resizing in web
 deployment?
In-Reply-To: <18C945D8-A19E-45C7-8E67-26D31B038F1B@gmail.com>
References: <18C945D8-A19E-45C7-8E67-26D31B038F1B@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b821f174-2238-799b-92c5-d4caac3db443@sonic.net>

On 8/6/22 04:44, Andreas Bergendal via use-livecode wrote:

> and Ali Lloyds cool WordLC app:
> https://alilloyd.livecodehosting.com/wordlc/wordlc.html

Unfortunately that throws a divide-by-zero error at line 461 in 
computeGridFieldWidth when I try to resize the window.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com


From alex at tweedly.net  Sat Aug  6 13:45:42 2022
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2022 18:45:42 +0100
Subject: How to use addEventListener for browser window resizing in web
 deployment?
In-Reply-To: <22EEE677-D559-4EE6-BD06-2EBA9BC2AFDA@gmail.com>
References: <22EEE677-D559-4EE6-BD06-2EBA9BC2AFDA@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <83d19caf-bf24-37ef-2038-9628e1ed4c60@tweedly.net>

You are correct Andreas - all this basic javascript interaction *really* 
should be in the default built already.

A sample stack for building a web app was discussed in a session in the 
LC Global conference, by Steven Crichton and Michael McReary. It has all 
kinds of javascript magic, and the corresponding LC pairing. AFAIK, that 
stack hasn't been made public, so it wouldn't be up to me to show large 
sections - but I'm sure it's ok to give a couple of snippets .....

In the stack script of the app (includes some stuff with 'spinner - 
probably not generally needed) :

> on openStack
>    if the platform is "web" then
>       do "document.querySelector('#canvas').removeAttribute('width');" 
> as "javascript"
>       do 
> "document.querySelector('#canvas').removeAttribute('height');" as 
> "javascript"
>       do "document.querySelector('#canvas').style.width = '100%';" as 
> "javascript"
>       do 
> "document.querySelector('#emscripten_main').removeAttribute('width');" 
> as "javascript"
>       do 
> "document.querySelector('#emscripten_main').removeAttribute('height');" 
> as "javascript"
>       do "document.querySelector('#emscripten_main').style.width = 
> '100%';" as "javascript"
>       do "var element = 
> document.getElementById('spinner');element.parentNode.removeChild(element);" 
> as "javascript"
>       do "var element = 
> document.getElementById('status');element.parentNode.removeChild(element);" 
> as "javascript"
>       do 
> "document.querySelector('#donestatus').removeAttribute('style');" as 
> "javascript"
>       do "document.querySelector('#by').removeAttribute('style');" as 
> "javascript"
>
>       send "doBrowserResize" to me in 0 millisecs
>    end if
> end openStack
>
> on browserResized pInnerHeight
>    set the height of this stack to pInnerHeight
>    do 
> "document.querySelector('#emscripten_main').removeAttribute('width');" 
> as "javascript"
>    do "document.querySelector('#emscripten_main').style.width = 
> '100%';" as "javascript"
> end browserResized
>
> on doBrowserResize
>    set the cJavascriptHandlers of this stack to "browserResized" & 
> return & "scrollEvent"
>    set the visible of this stack to true
>    do "getInnerHeight();" as "javascript"
>    browserResized the result
> end doBrowserResize
>
> on scrollEvent pHScroll, pVScroll
>    send "scrollEvent" && pHScroll & comma & pVScroll to this card in 0 
> seconds
> end scrollEvent
>
and in the standalone.html :

Hmmm - I don't understand it well enough to clip out the needed parts - 
so I've included the whole thing below  :-(   Again, it includes stuff 
with spinner, and stripe - which probably should be removed in the 
general case. Hopefully, LC will get their act together and provide a 
default build where basic functionality works.

Good luck,

Alex.

<html>
<head>
     <meta charset="utf-8">
     <meta content="text/html; charset=utf-8" http-equiv="Content-Type">
     <meta name="viewport" content="width=device-width, initial-scale=1">

     <title>LiveCode Conference - Meeting Space</title>

     <style>
         body {
             font-family: arial;
             margin: 0;
             padding: none;
             background-color:#fafafa !important;
             border-top: 0px solid #282828;
         }
         .emscripten {
             padding-right: 0;
             margin-left: auto;
             margin-right: auto;
             display: block
         }
         div.emscripten {
             text-align: center
         }
         div.emscripten_border {
             border: 0px solid #000
         }
         canvas.emscripten {
             border: 0 none
         }
         #emscripten_logo {
             display: inline-block;
             margin: 0
         }
         .spinner {
             position: fixed;
             left: 0px;
             top: 0px;
             width: 100%;
             height: 100%;
             z-index: 1000;
             background: 
url('https://michael.on-rev.com/Meeting%20Space/spinner.gif') no-repeat 
center center;
             background-color:#fafafa !important;
             border-top: 0px solid #282828;
         }
         @-webkit-keyframes rotation {
             from {
                 -webkit-transform: rotate(0)
             }
             to {
                 -webkit-transform: rotate(360deg)
             }
         }
         @-moz-keyframes rotation {
             from {
                 -moz-transform: rotate(0)
             }
             to {
                 -moz-transform: rotate(360deg)
             }
         }
         @-o-keyframes rotation {
             from {
                 -o-transform: rotate(0)
             }
             to {
                 -o-transform: rotate(360deg)
             }
         }
         @keyframes rotation {
             from {
                 transform: rotate(0)
             }
             to {
                 transform: rotate(360deg)
             }
         }
         #status {
             position:absolute;
             left: 0px;
             bottom: 50px;
             z-index: 1000;
             vertical-align: bottom;
             font-weight: 700;
             color: #787878
             text-align: center;
             width:100%;
             line-height: 90px;
         }
         #progress {
             height: 20px;
             width: 30px
             color:green;
         }
         #controls {
             display: inline-block;
             float: right;
             vertical-align: top;
             margin-top: 30px;
             margin-right: 20px
         }
         #output {
             width: 100%;
             height: 200px;
             margin: 0 auto;
             margin-top: 10px;
             display: block;
             background-color: #000;
             color: #fff;
             font-family: 'Lucida Console',Monaco,monospace;
             outline: 0
         }
     </style>

     <script src="https://js.stripe.com/v3/" 
crossorigin="anonymous"></script>

     <style>
         #overlay {
             position: fixed;
             width: 100%;
             height: 100%;
             top: 0;
             left: 0;
             right: 0;
             bottom: 0;
             background-color: rgba(0,0,0,0.5);
             z-index: 2;
         }

         #overlay-background {
             border-radius: 5px;
             border: 1px solid #cccccc;
             padding: 20px;
             background-color: #fff;
             margin: 20%;
         }

         #card {
             border-radius: 5px;
             border: 1px solid #cccccc;
             padding: 15px;
             margin-bottom: 10px;
         }

         button {
             border: none;
             padding: 15px 32px;
             text-align: center;
             text-decoration: none;
             display: inline-block;
         }

         #submit {
             background-color: #DA7B8A;
             color: #fff;
         }

         #submit:hover:enabled {
             background-color: #9A6B72;
         }

         #submit:disabled {
             color: #ccc;
         }

         #cancel {
             color: #fff;
         }

         #cancel:hover:enabled {
             background-color: #ccc;
         }
     </style>
</head>

<body>
     <div class="spinner" id="spinner"></div>
     <div class="emscripten" id="status">Loading...</div>
     <div class="emscripten">
          <progress value="0" max="100" id="progress" hidden="1"></progress>
     </div>
     <div id="emscripten_main">
         <canvas class="emscripten" id="canvas" 
oncontextmenu="event.preventDefault()"></canvas>
     </div>
     <textarea id="output" style="display:none;"></textarea>

     <script>
         var statusElement = document.getElementById("status")
           , progressElement = document.getElementById("progress")
           , spinnerElement = document.getElementById("spinner")
           , Module = {
             preRun: [],
             postRun: [],
             print: function() {
                 var e = document.getElementById("output");
                 return e && (e.value = ""),
                 function(t) {
                     arguments.length > 1 && (t = 
Array.prototype.slice.call(arguments).join(" ")),
                     console.log(t),
                     e && (e.value += t + "\n",
                     e.scrollTop = e.scrollHeight)
                 }
             }(),
             printErr: function(e) {
                 arguments.length > 1 && (e = 
Array.prototype.slice.call(arguments).join(" ")),
                 console.error(e)
             },
             canvas: function() {
                 var e = document.getElementById("canvas");
                 return e.addEventListener("webglcontextlost", 
(function(e) {
                     alert("WebGL context lost. You will need to reload 
the page."),
                     e.preventDefault()
                 }
                 ), !1),
                 e
             }(),
             setStatus: function(e) {
                 if (Module.setStatus.last || (Module.setStatus.last = {
                     time: Date.now(),
                     text: ""
                 }),
                 e !== Module.setStatus.text) {
                     var t = e.match(/([^(]+)\((\d+(\.\d+)?)\/(\d+)\)/)
                       , n = Date.now();
                     t && n - Date.now() < 30 || (t ? (e = t[1],
                     progressElement.value = 100 * parseInt(t[2]),
                     progressElement.max = 100 * parseInt(t[4]),
                     progressElement.hidden = !1,
                     spinnerElement.hidden = !1) : 
(progressElement.value = null,
                     progressElement.max = null,
                     progressElement.hidden = !0,
                     e || (onLoaded())),
                     statusElement.innerHTML = e)
                 }
             },
             totalDependencies: 0,
             monitorRunDependencies: function(e) {
                 this.totalDependencies = 
Math.max(this.totalDependencies, e),
                 Module.setStatus(e ? "Preparing... (" + 
(this.totalDependencies - e) + "/" + this.totalDependencies + ")" : 
"Starting App")
             }
         };
         Module.setStatus("Loading..."),
         window.onerror = function(e) {
             Module.setStatus("Exception thrown, see JavaScript console"),
             spinnerElement.style.display = "none",
             Module.setStatus = function(e) {
                 e && Module.printErr("[post-exception status] " + e)
             }
         }

         function onLoaded() {
             return true;
         }
     </script>

     <script>
         function getInnerHeight() {
             return window.innerHeight;
         }

         window.addEventListener("resize", function(data){
             if (document.liveCode) {
                 var myStack = 
document.liveCode.findStackWithName("Meeting Space");
                 if (myStack) {
                     myStack.browserResized(getInnerHeight());
                 }
             }
         });

document.getElementById("canvas").addEventListener("wheel", 
function(event) {
             event.preventDefault();
             if (document.liveCode) {
                 var myStack = 
document.liveCode.findStackWithName("Meeting Space");
                 if (myStack) {
                     myStack.scrollEvent(event.deltaX, event.deltaY);
                 }
             }
         });
     </script>

     <script async src="standalone-10.0.0-dp-3.js"></script>

     <div id="overlay" style="display:none;">
         <div id="overlay-background">
             <div id="card"></div>
             <button id="submit">Submit</button>
             <button id="cancel">Cancel</button>
         </div>
     </div>

     <script>
         const stripe = 
Stripe("pk_test_51J5qZpI8kDUYhBxrrHHUnkjaku4wkg7QHTYMh9Qe2gTLowh48YAFgS2zI5HOGKqmWjLj2BRIgdtUQo2z1VRKivSV00lTFGjzQb");
         const elements = stripe.elements();
         const card = elements.create("card");
         card.mount("#card");

         function displayFetchCardDetails() {
             card.clear();
             document.getElementById("submit").disabled = true;
             document.getElementById("overlay").style.display = "block";
         }

         card.on("change", pEvent => {
             if (pEvent.complete) {
                 document.getElementById("submit").disabled = false;
             } else if (pEvent.error != undefined) {
                 document.getElementById("submit").disabled = true;
             }
         });

document.getElementById("submit").addEventListener("click", pEvent => {
             document.getElementById("overlay").style.display = "none";
             stripe.createToken(card).then((pResult) => {
                 if (pResult.error != undefined) {
                     document
                         .liveCode
                         .findStackWithName("Meeting Space")
.stripeFetchCardDetailsOnError(pResult.error.message);
                 } else {
                     document
                         .liveCode
                         .findStackWithName("Meeting Space")
.stripeFetchCardDetailsOnSuccess(pResult.token.id);
                 }
             });
         });

document.getElementById("cancel").addEventListener("click", pEvent => {
             document.getElementById("overlay").style.display = "none";
             document
                 .liveCode
                 .findStackWithName("Meeting Space")
                 .stripeFetchCardDetailsOnCancel();
         });
     </script>
</body>

</html>

On 06/08/2022 18:14, Andreas Bergendal via use-livecode wrote:
> Thanks guys, those are indeed great resources for many cases.
>
> What Im after here however, are specific solutions to the javascript/livecode pairing of code to manage browser window/stack resizing.
> To avoid reinventing the wheel, if possible. I imagine this would be of great interest to a lot of people here, since having your stack react to browser window resizing should be quite crucial in many cases of LC web deployment.
>
> Thats why Im also confident that the mothership will build this into future releases of LC10. But as an early adopter, I cant wait ;-)
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From andreas.bergendal at gmail.com  Sat Aug  6 15:46:21 2022
From: andreas.bergendal at gmail.com (Andreas Bergendal)
Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2022 21:46:21 +0200
Subject: How to use addEventListener for browser window resizing in web
 deployment?
Message-ID: <8A4FE0CA-7B70-47EE-AEE8-9D9DB3D92EA1@gmail.com>

Wow, thanks Alex! That’s brilliant and exactly what I need!
I must have missed (or forgotten) that session at the conference - I’ll try to find it among the recordings to see if it helps explaining the various bits a little. In any case I’ll experiment with the code and see what I can get to work.

Cheers,
Andreas

From selander at tkf.att.ne.jp  Sun Aug  7 03:29:27 2022
From: selander at tkf.att.ne.jp (Tim Selander)
Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2022 16:29:27 +0900
Subject: Auto populate an HTML form with LC server
Message-ID: <b3da75e6-bafe-e0af-8ed5-e3bfe5a39542@tkf.att.ne.jp>

Many web forms in Japan automatically fill in prefecture, town, 
ward and block when you just put in the zip code. I would like to 
do that on my web site, and know the api I would use.

I assume these sites are using javascript, but can LC server pick 
up user input before the submit button is clicked?

Any help appreciated.

Tim Selander
Tokyo, Japan


From index at kenjikojima.com  Sun Aug  7 07:17:35 2022
From: index at kenjikojima.com (Kenji Kojima)
Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2022 07:17:35 -0400
Subject: Auto populate an HTML form with LC server
In-Reply-To: <b3da75e6-bafe-e0af-8ed5-e3bfe5a39542@tkf.att.ne.jp>
References: <b3da75e6-bafe-e0af-8ed5-e3bfe5a39542@tkf.att.ne.jp>
Message-ID: <7B38B2F6-1957-4C72-89EF-3F87FD14FC88@kenjikojima.com>

Tim,

See this
https://www.webdesign-fan.com/ajaxzip3 <https://www.webdesign-fan.com/ajaxzip3> 
and 
http://www.webdesign-fan-guide.com/ajaxzip3/ <http://www.webdesign-fan-guide.com/ajaxzip3/> 

I believe you can use these on the LC server.

Best,
--
Kenji Kojima / 小島健治
http://www.kenjikojima.com/



> On Aug 7, 2022, at 3:29 AM, Tim Selander via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Many web forms in Japan automatically fill in prefecture, town, ward and block when you just put in the zip code. I would like to do that on my web site, and know the api I would use.
> 
> I assume these sites are using javascript, but can LC server pick up user input before the submit button is clicked?
> 
> Any help appreciated.
> 
> Tim Selander
> Tokyo, Japan
> 
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From selander at tkf.att.ne.jp  Sun Aug  7 08:57:45 2022
From: selander at tkf.att.ne.jp (Tim Selander)
Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2022 21:57:45 +0900
Subject: Auto populate an HTML form with LC server
In-Reply-To: <7B38B2F6-1957-4C72-89EF-3F87FD14FC88@kenjikojima.com>
References: <b3da75e6-bafe-e0af-8ed5-e3bfe5a39542@tkf.att.ne.jp>
 <7B38B2F6-1957-4C72-89EF-3F87FD14FC88@kenjikojima.com>
Message-ID: <6bbf466f-7f52-7245-b09b-6c07389cb523@tkf.att.ne.jp>

一発でした！
小島様、ありがとうごあいました。助かりました！
お久しぶりに「小島健治」というお名前をメールリストに見て、すごく嬉しくなりました。過去、何回も手伝ってくださいましたね。

ごめんんさい、芸術の世界とまったく縁のない人間ですが、HPを見ると、相変わらず重要なプロジェクトを取り上げていますね。

では、これからもよろしくお願いいたします。

セランダー・ティム

Thank you so much!!

Tim



On 2022.08.07 20:17, Kenji Kojima wrote:
> Tim,
> 
> See this
> https://www.webdesign-fan.com/ajaxzip3
> and
> http://www.webdesign-fan-guide.com/ajaxzip3/
> 
> I believe you can use these on the LC server.
> 
> Best,
> --
> Kenji Kojima / 小島健治
> http://www.kenjikojima.com/
> 
> 
> 
>> On Aug 7, 2022, at 3:29 AM, Tim Selander via use-livecode 
>> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com 
>> <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Many web forms in Japan automatically fill in prefecture, town, 
>> ward and block when you just put in the zip code. I would like 
>> to do that on my web site, and know the api I would use.
>>
>> I assume these sites are using javascript, but can LC server 
>> pick up user input before the submit button is clicked?
>>
>> Any help appreciated.
>>
>> Tim Selander
>> Tokyo, Japan
>>
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>> use-livecode mailing list
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>> <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
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From tom at makeshyft.com  Sun Aug  7 18:15:00 2022
From: tom at makeshyft.com (Tom Glod)
Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2022 18:15:00 -0400
Subject: megabundle thoughts
In-Reply-To: <D9F73AF3-7A42-4634-A4CA-6C96125EB35D@m-r-d.de>
References: <CADCoycP1-8wwU3L4VEw3t39NJGjsnMR-+K7bzM6FW5m94C5sMg@mail.gmail.com>
 <310fafe6-4ac1-ef87-f1e0-0c9861928ce9@researchware.com>
 <85ca8d9e-3e9d-797f-8673-6fe89eb264b9@tweedly.net>
 <1826f1e02b0.27a5.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <D9F73AF3-7A42-4634-A4CA-6C96125EB35D@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <CAPzQJLJ0eb+Smadtt+63B2OVONGk92F87t4WU4nzLN0S2Vu1Lg@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings Everyone!

I might be pretty biased (cuz the bundle contains my AppStarterStack),
And I understand  that people have different goals with their software
development.
But all i know is there is ALOT of value in the bundle.
So much so, I don't even necessarily agree with the price points, for the
amount of value thats in it.
(When you take just the vouchers into consideration)

Just my 5 cents.



On Fri, Aug 5, 2022 at 3:20 PM matthias rebbe via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I own a Lifetime commercial (Indy) license for all current and future
> platforms and a current subscription to upgrade my license to the Pro
> features with Email support.
>
> There are 2 items in the bundle  i was interested in: the Email parser
> library and also the PolyGrid widget. The other stuff like the ebooks,
> conference videos and others i already own or i could upgrade much cheaper
> (Curry's libraries) through the LC shop.
>
> And without the voucher, which has the same value as the Megabundle
> costs,  i would not have purchased the bundle.
>
> But i have also a subscription for the script compiler, so i decided to
> purchase the bundle and use the voucher for the next payments for the
> Script compiler subscription.
>
> So in my case i did not loose money, but got some really usefull widgets
> and libraries on top. I did not pay much attention for the other widgets
> and libraries, but must confess that the PolyList (formerl DataView) and
> also the ResponsiveLayout library are really great enhancements.
>
> So in case you have a current subscription in your LC account and you do
> not plan to cancel that subscription in near future, the MegaBundle is a
> bargain. You pay your subscription costs in advance and get some really
> great enhancements for LC.
>
>
> Matthias
>
>
>
> > Am 05.08.2022 um 19:46 schrieb J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> >
> > I'm with Paul. I don't need additional licensing but if the widgets go
> on sale separately later then I'm in.
> >
> > --
> > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> > On August 5, 2022 12:36:22 PM Alex Tweedly via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I kind of agree with Paul (though I ame to the opposite conclusion).
> >
> >
> >
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From hakan at exformedia.se  Mon Aug  8 00:32:05 2022
From: hakan at exformedia.se (Hakan@exformedia.se)
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2022 06:32:05 +0200
Subject: Auto populate an HTML form with LC server
In-Reply-To: <6bbf466f-7f52-7245-b09b-6c07389cb523@tkf.att.ne.jp>
References: <6bbf466f-7f52-7245-b09b-6c07389cb523@tkf.att.ne.jp>
Message-ID: <198891BF-DC51-4969-8D6E-569E74EFDAF7@exformedia.se>

I don’t understand Japanese but to clarify the process. The server side can’t do anything unless you call it in some way. So every time you see something happening in the browser before you submit it is JavaScript running. The libraries mentioned are Ajax libraries (as far as I understand) and should be injected to the web page. 
With JavaScript you can listen to events in a similar way as in Livecode. And when your event of choice happens your JavaScript calls a server API that can then return an answer (which often is some json) that the JavaScript interprets and injects into the fields. 
So, Livecode server (or any other server) can’t pick up anything before you submit, but with JavaScript you can make the call!


> 7 aug. 2022 kl. 14:59 skrev Tim Selander via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> 一発でした！
> 小島様、ありがとうごあいました。助かりました！
> お久しぶりに「小島健治」というお名前をメールリストに見て、すごく嬉しくなりました。過去、何回も手伝ってくださいましたね。
> 
> ごめんんさい、芸術の世界とまったく縁のない人間ですが、HPを見ると、相変わらず重要なプロジェクトを取り上げていますね。
> 
> では、これからもよろしくお願いいたします。
> 
> セランダー・ティム
> 
> Thank you so much!!
> 
> Tim
> 
> 
> 
>> On 2022.08.07 20:17, Kenji Kojima wrote:
>> Tim,
>> See this
>> https://www.webdesign-fan.com/ajaxzip3
>> and
>> http://www.webdesign-fan-guide.com/ajaxzip3/
>> I believe you can use these on the LC server.
>> Best,
>> --
>> Kenji Kojima / 小島健治
>> http://www.kenjikojima.com/
>>>> On Aug 7, 2022, at 3:29 AM, Tim Selander via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Many web forms in Japan automatically fill in prefecture, town, ward and block when you just put in the zip code. I would like to do that on my web site, and know the api I would use.
>>> 
>>> I assume these sites are using javascript, but can LC server pick up user input before the submit button is clicked?
>>> 
>>> Any help appreciated.
>>> 
>>> Tim Selander
>>> Tokyo, Japan
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> 
> 
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From paul at researchware.com  Mon Aug  8 12:26:30 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2022 12:26:30 -0400
Subject: Datagrid internal error
Message-ID: <2981919d-4756-8d31-0a95-d28fdca6b445@researchware.com>

A customer encountered the following execution error (below) in our app 
(built on Livecode 9.6.7, MacOS 12.5). This error is occurring in the 
scrips for the Datagrid itself, rather than our code. At the end, it is 
one of our handler, "populateMe", where line 139 is where the error starts.
Line 139 set the dgProp["columns"] of grp "rwMatrixObj_DataGrid" to 
tColumnNames

tColumnNames is a variable containing a list of text lines that are 
customer entered column names, so they could be ANYTHING (up to 255 
chars, no control characters, including DEL (127)) that a user could 
type or paste into a field, including words in any language using Unicode.

As the executionContexts data does not contain the actual values of the 
variable tColumns when the error occurs, does ANYONE have any idea what 
tColumns might contain that could produce the error(s) show below?

Technical information:
Property: value is not a number: (Line 11, column 1)
Object: can't set object property: (Line 11, column 5)
set: can't set property: (Line 11, column 1)
Handler: error in statement: LayoutControl (Line 11, column 1)
Object ID: stack "RevDataGridLibraryBehaviorsDefaultHeaderButtonBehavior"
-
repeat: error in statement: (Line 5066, column 1)
Handler: error in statement: _table.ResizeHeaders (Line 5052, column 1)
Object ID: stack "RevDataGridLibraryBehaviorsDataGridButtonBehavior"
-
Handler: error in statement: _table.ResizeColumns (Line 4967, column 1)
Object ID: stack "RevDataGridLibraryBehaviorsDataGridButtonBehavior"
-
Handler: error in statement: _table.CreateColumns (Line 4737, column 1)
Object ID: stack "RevDataGridLibraryBehaviorsDataGridButtonBehavior"
-
Handler: error in statement: _table.RegenerateColumns (Line 4538, column 1)
Object ID: stack "RevDataGridLibraryBehaviorsDataGridButtonBehavior"
-
switch: error in statement: (Line 6150, column 1)
Handler: error in statement: dgProps (Line 5553, column 1)
Object ID: stack "RevDataGridLibraryBehaviorsDataGridButtonBehavior"
-
set: can't set property: (Line 5529, column 1)
Handler: error in statement: dgProp (Line 5529, column 1)
Object ID: stack "RevDataGridLibraryBehaviorsDataGridButtonBehavior"
-
set: can't set property: (Line 139, column 1)
if-then: error in statement: (Line 139, column 1)
Handler: error in statement: populateMe (Line 138, column 1)
Object: group "Table" of card "FrequencyReport" of stack "FreqReport.rwtl"
Object ID: group id 1162 of card id 1002 of stack 
"/Applications/HyperRESEARCH 4.5.4/Components/Tools/FreqReport.rwtl"


From paul at researchware.com  Mon Aug  8 12:39:02 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2022 12:39:02 -0400
Subject: Datagrid internal error
In-Reply-To: <2981919d-4756-8d31-0a95-d28fdca6b445@researchware.com>
References: <2981919d-4756-8d31-0a95-d28fdca6b445@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <60e95862-61d7-4a07-2423-b77b10afc68f@researchware.com>

On 8/8/2022 12:26 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
> A customer encountered the following execution error (below) in our 
> app (built on Livecode 9.6.7, MacOS 12.5). This error is occurring in 
> the scrips for the Datagrid itself, rather than our code. At the end, 
> it is one of our handler, "populateMe", where line 139 is where the 
> error starts.
> Line 139 set the dgProp["columns"] of grp "rwMatrixObj_DataGrid" to 
> tColumnNames
>

For example, some information from the customer suggest they are working 
with a VERY large dataset, so the length of the list in TColumnNames 
could be quit long - perhaps hundreds of lines. Is there a practical 
limit on the number of columns a Datagrid can be set to?



From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net  Mon Aug  8 13:38:50 2022
From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola)
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2022 13:38:50 -0400
Subject: Datagrid internal error
In-Reply-To: <60e95862-61d7-4a07-2423-b77b10afc68f@researchware.com>
References: <2981919d-4756-8d31-0a95-d28fdca6b445@researchware.com>
 <60e95862-61d7-4a07-2423-b77b10afc68f@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <005401d8ab4d$bbd48c10$337da430$@net>

Paul,

The max height of a field is 32,767 pixels. This can be hard to quantify
especially on mobile with the cornucopia of screen resolutions. I would
imagine that this limit also applies to groups as well. I got bit on this
when the app worked in the IDE but failed on some devices.

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdimola at evergreeninfo.net


-----Original Message-----
From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf
Of Paul Dupuis via use-livecode
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2022 12:39 PM
To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
Cc: Paul Dupuis
Subject: Re: Datagrid internal error

On 8/8/2022 12:26 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
> A customer encountered the following execution error (below) in our 
> app (built on Livecode 9.6.7, MacOS 12.5). This error is occurring in 
> the scrips for the Datagrid itself, rather than our code. At the end, 
> it is one of our handler, "populateMe", where line 139 is where the 
> error starts.
> Line 139 set the dgProp["columns"] of grp "rwMatrixObj_DataGrid" to 
> tColumnNames
>

For example, some information from the customer suggest they are working
with a VERY large dataset, so the length of the list in TColumnNames could
be quit long - perhaps hundreds of lines. Is there a practical limit on the
number of columns a Datagrid can be set to?


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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Aug  8 17:59:13 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2022 21:59:13 +0000
Subject: Code Signing Certificates: Where to put?
Message-ID: <AD1565F4-4500-421A-9E85-A9FC3576452D@iotecdigital.com>

I went through the process of creating the 2 certs needed to sign, notarize and staple an app bundle. I imported the certs into my Keychain in System (login didn't seem like the place to put it) and now MrSign'n'Notarize Helper V3 is generating an error which seems to indicate it cannot find the certificate. 
Codesigning app...

executing: codesign --deep --force --verify --verbose --sign "Robert Sneidar (9PV38Bl27Y)" --options runtime --entitlements /private/var/folders/dy/zctnynys6mg69880fpzrmsy00000gr/T/TemporaryItems/entitlements.plist "/Users/bobsneidar/Documents/Livecode Projects/Builds/slySQL Agent MAC/slySQL Agent.app"
/Users/bobsneidar/Documents/Livecode Projects/Builds/slySQL Agent MAC/slySQL Agent.app: replacing existing signature
Warning: unable to build chain to self-signed root for signer "Developer ID Application: <I deleted this so no one can see it>"
/Users/bobsneidar/Documents/Livecode Projects/Builds/slySQL Agent MAC/slySQL Agent.app: errSecInternalComponent
In subcomponent: /Users/bobsneidar/Documents/Livecode Projects/Builds/slySQL Agent MAC/slySQL Agent.app/Contents/MacOS/revsecurity.dylib
process aborted

Is this an issue caused by where I put the certificates? 

Bob S



From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Aug  8 19:53:04 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2022 23:53:04 +0000
Subject: Datagrid internal error
In-Reply-To: <2981919d-4756-8d31-0a95-d28fdca6b445@researchware.com>
References: <2981919d-4756-8d31-0a95-d28fdca6b445@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <0B74C5FE-37CF-4858-A029-E7CE5D65A8AE@iotecdigital.com>

I believe dgProp ["columns"] is a comma delimited list. 

Bob S


> On Aug 8, 2022, at 09:26 , Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> A customer encountered the following execution error (below) in our app (built on Livecode 9.6.7, MacOS 12.5). This error is occurring in the scrips for the Datagrid itself, rather than our code. At the end, it is one of our handler, "populateMe", where line 139 is where the error starts.
> Line 139 set the dgProp["columns"] of grp "rwMatrixObj_DataGrid" to tColumnNames



From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Aug  8 19:56:32 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2022 23:56:32 +0000
Subject: Datagrid internal error
In-Reply-To: <0B74C5FE-37CF-4858-A029-E7CE5D65A8AE@iotecdigital.com>
References: <2981919d-4756-8d31-0a95-d28fdca6b445@researchware.com>
 <0B74C5FE-37CF-4858-A029-E7CE5D65A8AE@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <F26FA733-31F6-4E70-BE67-0852E7833155@iotecdigital.com>

Nope I take that back it's lines. I remember now wondering why that was. 

Bob S


> On Aug 8, 2022, at 16:53 , Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com> wrote:
> 
> I believe dgProp ["columns"] is a comma delimited list. 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Aug 8, 2022, at 09:26 , Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> A customer encountered the following execution error (below) in our app (built on Livecode 9.6.7, MacOS 12.5). This error is occurring in the scrips for the Datagrid itself, rather than our code. At the end, it is one of our handler, "populateMe", where line 139 is where the error starts.
>> Line 139 set the dgProp["columns"] of grp "rwMatrixObj_DataGrid" to tColumnNames
> 



From paulmcclernan at gmail.com  Mon Aug  8 20:50:31 2022
From: paulmcclernan at gmail.com (Paul McClernan)
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2022 20:50:31 -0400
Subject: Livecode Builder developer wanted
In-Reply-To: <F685CA52-FBB0-4227-94B7-84573685C160@all-auctions.com>
References: <cdf489f1-eb80-798f-8104-ff923fa71130@researchware.com>
 <f1a0ec3e-1f6e-b01b-6182-a837d27328d8@researchware.com>
 <CADCoycOR-Z2vDQW4YVDT7Ddcmd7MXb2pGg=ZPs65pGJszhe0uw@mail.gmail.com>
 <fca710db-db22-1ef7-5b65-cbe5e9f93c15@researchware.com>
 <1C5DF67E-1332-42DB-BF43-1B0F709EF140@all-auctions.com>
 <7611291e-0782-ff86-d8e9-bff5cbe329ad@researchware.com>
 <F685CA52-FBB0-4227-94B7-84573685C160@all-auctions.com>
Message-ID: <CA+mv_tV2UoX_8_ceE0uonwwGTj6eUf3_=gJQGhLuEUGuaRufhw@mail.gmail.com>

I would say go ahead and jump in yourself, I’d be willing to help if I can
(I’m rather busy myself), if you post questions in the LCB forum section,
if you get stuck. I’m sure Trevor has left a nice starting base (I’ve
looked at all of his LCB work). You could likely get the lib binary for
macOS using “HomeBrew”.

On Thu, Jul 28, 2022 at 1:44 PM harrison--- via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi Paul,
>
> You should have led with that information.
>
> Keys here:  Not time sensitive. Pay competitive rates:  What is your
> rate?  Be upfront with that if you can.
>
> Thanks for clearing things up a bit.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Rick
>
>
> > On Jul 28, 2022, at 12:23 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > I've hired and managed independent software developers for various
> businesses for nearly 40 years. I am well aware of the market.
> >
> > We pay competitive contract rates. My estimate of time is probably about
> right for someone who has set up at least 1 or 2 cross-platform LCB DLL
> wrappers based on decades of estimating IT projects, but it was more meant
> to suggest the work is something in the scope of many hours to days vs.
> weeks or months.
> >
> > As for job size, if you are a contract developer who has a queue of
> large jobs providing regular income, good for you. My experience is that
> many contract developers value non-time sensitive small jobs they can fit
> in and around larger projects to fill in the inevitable gaps between larger
> projects that can come up.
> >
> > If no one is available or interested, as I said, it is not time
> sensitive, so we can either wait or tackle it ourselves as time permits.
> >
> > Paul Dupuis
> > Researchware
>
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From paul at researchware.com  Tue Aug  9 08:09:00 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2022 08:09:00 -0400
Subject: Datagrid internal error
In-Reply-To: <F26FA733-31F6-4E70-BE67-0852E7833155@iotecdigital.com>
References: <2981919d-4756-8d31-0a95-d28fdca6b445@researchware.com>
 <0B74C5FE-37CF-4858-A029-E7CE5D65A8AE@iotecdigital.com>
 <F26FA733-31F6-4E70-BE67-0852E7833155@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <11c91d2d-6351-1459-7087-cd0d07061343@researchware.com>

comma delimited or cr delimited, without looking it up, I am sure it is 
in the right format since it work 99.99% of the time.

The names that would be in the column list all go through a name check 
function. That function prevents names that are all spaces, longer than 
255 characters, or are a handful of "reserved words" and checks that 
each name does not contain the following characters

     if (it < 32)  then return false -- all control characters (0x0000 
to 0x0031)
     if (it = 34)  then return false -- "                quote (0x0034) 
-- LC string encapsulator
     if (it = 40)  then return false -- (     left parenthesis (0x0040) 
-- used in filter and theory criteria
     if (it = 41)  then return false -- )    right parenthesis (0x0041) 
-- used in filter and theory criteria
     if (it = 44)  then return false -- ,                comma (0x0044) 
-- LC item delimiter
     if (it = 60)  then return false -- <       less than sign (0x0060) 
-- htmlText tag delimiter
     if (it = 62)  then return false -- >    greater than sign (0x0062) 
-- htmlText tag delimiter
     if (it = 91)  then return false -- [  left square bracket (0x0091) 
-- LC merge delimiter
     if (it = 92)  then return false -- \            backslash (0x0092) 
-- regex string escape character
     if (it = 93)  then return false -- ] right square bracket (0x0093) 
-- LC merge delimiter
     if (it = 124) then return false -- |         vertical bar (0x0124) 
-- used in code
     if (it = 127) then return false -- DEL             delete (0x0127)

So, comma's are excluded, as are [ and ], and control characters, etc.. 
However all Unicode characters, codepoints 128 and up are allowed. 
Testing shows you can have a Datagrid where you can set the columns to 
empty, so that is not the cause of the error.

I can only image that the customer entered a name with some characters 
that Datagrid has a problem with as a column name OR that the shear 
number of columns (as the customer is working with a very large dataset) 
exceeds some practical Datagrid limit, but what would that be?

I don't really want to have to carve out time to build test stacks to 
try names with every possible characters or ever increasing numbers of 
column names until the error occurs or those possibilities are ruled 
out. I was hoping there might be someone on the list who was familiar 
enough with the internals of the Datagrid to have some idea what might 
have caused the error.

Unfortunately, the customer's data is confidential, so they do not want 
to provide the data to us to use for testing. And the customer is either 
not technically savvy or does not have time (they have said they are 
under a deadline) to help much in troubleshooting. They can get the 
analysis this Datagrid provides by exporting some data to Excel and 
doing the analysis in Excel, so the error is not a show-stopper for them 
as well. Definitely not as convenient as the report in our app, but a 
viable work-around.

See my original post for the executionContexts and the specific error.


On 8/8/2022 7:56 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
> Nope I take that back it's lines. I remember now wondering why that was.
>
> Bob S
>
>
>> On Aug 8, 2022, at 16:53 , Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com> wrote:
>>
>> I believe dgProp ["columns"] is a comma delimited list.
>>
>> Bob S
>>
>>
>>> On Aug 8, 2022, at 09:26 , Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> A customer encountered the following execution error (below) in our app (built on Livecode 9.6.7, MacOS 12.5). This error is occurring in the scrips for the Datagrid itself, rather than our code. At the end, it is one of our handler, "populateMe", where line 139 is where the error starts.
>>> Line 139 set the dgProp["columns"] of grp "rwMatrixObj_DataGrid" to tColumnNames
>
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From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Tue Aug  9 10:44:22 2022
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2022 16:44:22 +0200
Subject: Code Signing Certificates: Where to put?
In-Reply-To: <AD1565F4-4500-421A-9E85-A9FC3576452D@iotecdigital.com>
References: <AD1565F4-4500-421A-9E85-A9FC3576452D@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <9C1D9CBF-1D59-4DB6-BF82-8A299B7B8354@m-r-d.de>

My certificates are stored under Login in my Keychain.  I created them using Xcode (Preferences/Account) and Xcode installed them directly in Login.

So give it a try and move (if this is possible) the certs to Login or just delete the 2 and reinstall them.

If you still run into a problem then could you try to create a simple standalone without any external/extension and see if it is possible to sign and notarize that? 

Matthias


> Am 08.08.2022 um 23:59 schrieb Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> I went through the process of creating the 2 certs needed to sign, notarize and staple an app bundle. I imported the certs into my Keychain in System (login didn't seem like the place to put it) and now MrSign'n'Notarize Helper V3 is generating an error which seems to indicate it cannot find the certificate. 
> Codesigning app...
> 
> executing: codesign --deep --force --verify --verbose --sign "Robert Sneidar (9PV38Bl27Y)" --options runtime --entitlements /private/var/folders/dy/zctnynys6mg69880fpzrmsy00000gr/T/TemporaryItems/entitlements.plist "/Users/bobsneidar/Documents/Livecode Projects/Builds/slySQL Agent MAC/slySQL Agent.app"
> /Users/bobsneidar/Documents/Livecode Projects/Builds/slySQL Agent MAC/slySQL Agent.app: replacing existing signature
> Warning: unable to build chain to self-signed root for signer "Developer ID Application: <I deleted this so no one can see it>"
> /Users/bobsneidar/Documents/Livecode Projects/Builds/slySQL Agent MAC/slySQL Agent.app: errSecInternalComponent
> In subcomponent: /Users/bobsneidar/Documents/Livecode Projects/Builds/slySQL Agent MAC/slySQL Agent.app/Contents/MacOS/revsecurity.dylib
> process aborted
> 
> Is this an issue caused by where I put the certificates? 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Aug  9 11:09:55 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2022 15:09:55 +0000
Subject: Datagrid internal error
In-Reply-To: <11c91d2d-6351-1459-7087-cd0d07061343@researchware.com>
References: <2981919d-4756-8d31-0a95-d28fdca6b445@researchware.com>
 <0B74C5FE-37CF-4858-A029-E7CE5D65A8AE@iotecdigital.com>
 <F26FA733-31F6-4E70-BE67-0852E7833155@iotecdigital.com>
 <11c91d2d-6351-1459-7087-cd0d07061343@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <BC0C36F8-5564-4E24-9B67-564DA5CC4A40@iotecdigital.com>

I believe there is a property you set, after which you programmatically control the population of the datagrid. I am in a hurry so I can't look it up right now, but it is in the datagrid API in livecode lessons. 

Bob S


> On Aug 9, 2022, at 05:09 , Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I can only image that the customer entered a name with some characters that Datagrid has a problem with as a column name OR that the shear number of columns (as the customer is working with a very large dataset) exceeds some practical Datagrid limit, but what would that be?



From paul at researchware.com  Tue Aug  9 13:15:31 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2022 13:15:31 -0400
Subject: Summer Bundle table/grid widgets....
Message-ID: <f5bc9772-5f16-cfe1-1291-5d7460ea8abc@researchware.com>

I am in need of a control to display a table of numbers. The top ROW are 
column labels (text, sometimes up to 255 characters). The left COLUMN is 
row labels (text, sometime up to 255 characters). I'd like a widget that:
1) Can display this with the top row (or headers) fixed so they remain 
visible when the data is scrolled
2) Can display this with the left column fixed to they remain visible 
when the data is scrolled
3) Provides built in abilities to sort the numbers in all the data of 
the grid/table, by any column, ascending or descending as the user desires.

I have already built this with a grouped field (for the fixed left 
column) and Datagrid (for the remained of the table).

Do any of the new widgets in the Summer Bundle do this inherently 
without me having to make a custom object (as I had to do with the field 
+ Datagrid)?



From dan at clearvisiontech.com  Tue Aug  9 13:33:42 2022
From: dan at clearvisiontech.com (Dan Friedman)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2022 17:33:42 +0000
Subject: Android API Level 31
Message-ID: <727220B7-7BC5-42C8-BA19-338FFA55F94A@clearvisiontech.com>

I am trying to upload an AAB to Google Play Condole and I am getting this error:

"Your app currently targets API level 30 and must target at least API level 31 to ensure it is built on the latest APIs optimized for security and performance. Change your app's target API level to at least 31."

I have enabled the "Android 12.0 (S)" SDK (API Level 31) in Android Studio and restarted LC and rebuilt the app.  Still getting the error from Google Play.   Anyone have any ideas as to the LC/Studio settings needed to get Google to accept the app?

Thank you in advance!
Dan


From merakosp at gmail.com  Tue Aug  9 14:45:14 2022
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis m)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2022 21:45:14 +0300
Subject: Android API Level 31
In-Reply-To: <727220B7-7BC5-42C8-BA19-338FFA55F94A@clearvisiontech.com>
References: <727220B7-7BC5-42C8-BA19-338FFA55F94A@clearvisiontech.com>
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq8N+U50+7H9D90dnmCjsRCqTynN5azGUzTwsJ7X4QYbug@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Dan,

This is a new requirement of the Google Play Store, i.e. new apps should
target Android API 31. We are preparing a build of LC 9.6.9 RC-1 that among
other bugfixes includes support for API31 too, it is currently in testing
and should be good for release very soon. If you are urgently affected
please contact support and we can offer an interim (test) build to try.

Kind regards,
Panos
--

On Tue, 9 Aug 2022 at 20:34, Dan Friedman via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I am trying to upload an AAB to Google Play Condole and I am getting this
> error:
>
> "Your app currently targets API level 30 and must target at least API
> level 31 to ensure it is built on the latest APIs optimized for security
> and performance. Change your app's target API level to at least 31."
>
> I have enabled the "Android 12.0 (S)" SDK (API Level 31) in Android Studio
> and restarted LC and rebuilt the app.  Still getting the error from Google
> Play.   Anyone have any ideas as to the LC/Studio settings needed to get
> Google to accept the app?
>
> Thank you in advance!
> Dan
>
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From dan at clearvisiontech.com  Tue Aug  9 15:12:14 2022
From: dan at clearvisiontech.com (Dan Friedman)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2022 19:12:14 +0000
Subject: Android API Level 31
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq8N+U50+7H9D90dnmCjsRCqTynN5azGUzTwsJ7X4QYbug@mail.gmail.com>
References: <727220B7-7BC5-42C8-BA19-338FFA55F94A@clearvisiontech.com>
 <CA+JfEq8N+U50+7H9D90dnmCjsRCqTynN5azGUzTwsJ7X4QYbug@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <77239A29-9319-4F46-BE0E-F0A53094F42B@clearvisiontech.com>

Panos,

THANK YOU for the quick reply and the information!   If we're talking days or early next week, I can probably wait.  Anything later than that and I'll need something to give my client.

Thank you!
Dan 


On 8/9/22, 11:47 AM, "use-livecode on behalf of panagiotis m via use-livecode" <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com on behalf of use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

    Hello Dan,

    This is a new requirement of the Google Play Store, i.e. new apps should
    target Android API 31. We are preparing a build of LC 9.6.9 RC-1 that among
    other bugfixes includes support for API31 too, it is currently in testing
    and should be good for release very soon. If you are urgently affected
    please contact support and we can offer an interim (test) build to try.

    Kind regards,
    Panos
    --

    On Tue, 9 Aug 2022 at 20:34, Dan Friedman via use-livecode <
    use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

    > I am trying to upload an AAB to Google Play Condole and I am getting this
    > error:
    >
    > "Your app currently targets API level 30 and must target at least API
    > level 31 to ensure it is built on the latest APIs optimized for security
    > and performance. Change your app's target API level to at least 31."
    >
    > I have enabled the "Android 12.0 (S)" SDK (API Level 31) in Android Studio
    > and restarted LC and rebuilt the app.  Still getting the error from Google
    > Play.   Anyone have any ideas as to the LC/Studio settings needed to get
    > Google to accept the app?
    >
    > Thank you in advance!
    > Dan
    >
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    > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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    > subscription preferences:
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From craig at starfirelighting.com  Wed Aug 10 09:51:27 2022
From: craig at starfirelighting.com (Craig Newman)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 09:51:27 -0400
Subject: Datagrid internal error
In-Reply-To: <BC0C36F8-5564-4E24-9B67-564DA5CC4A40@iotecdigital.com>
References: <2981919d-4756-8d31-0a95-d28fdca6b445@researchware.com>
 <0B74C5FE-37CF-4858-A029-E7CE5D65A8AE@iotecdigital.com>
 <F26FA733-31F6-4E70-BE67-0852E7833155@iotecdigital.com>
 <11c91d2d-6351-1459-7087-cd0d07061343@researchware.com>
 <BC0C36F8-5564-4E24-9B67-564DA5CC4A40@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <D146FE4F-C4AB-4A98-863A-154E13B7F89D@starfirelighting.com>

This seems like a fragment of a longer thread, but the “dgText” and the “dgData” are the two methods I use to extract, process and reload the content of a data grid.

Craig

> On Aug 9, 2022, at 11:09 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I believe there is a property you set, after which you programmatically control the population of the datagrid. I am in a hurry so I can't look it up right now, but it is in the datagrid API in livecode lessons. 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Aug 9, 2022, at 05:09 , Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I can only image that the customer entered a name with some characters that Datagrid has a problem with as a column name OR that the shear number of columns (as the customer is working with a very large dataset) exceeds some practical Datagrid limit, but what would that be?
> 
> 
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From klaus at major-k.de  Wed Aug 10 10:59:35 2022
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 16:59:35 +0200
Subject: Getting the visible rect of a stack with fullscreenmode "showall"
Message-ID: <D89134B4-2129-4383-9766-FEA0711E4C45@major-k.de>

Hi all,

the subject says it all...

How can we get the the visible rect of a stack running
on mobile with fullscreenmode "showall"?
Know what I mean?

Thank you for any hint!


Best

Klaus
--
Klaus Major
https://www.major-k.de
https://www.major-k.de/bass
klaus at major-k.de



From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Aug 10 11:11:00 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 15:11:00 +0000
Subject: Datagrid internal error
In-Reply-To: <D146FE4F-C4AB-4A98-863A-154E13B7F89D@starfirelighting.com>
References: <2981919d-4756-8d31-0a95-d28fdca6b445@researchware.com>
 <0B74C5FE-37CF-4858-A029-E7CE5D65A8AE@iotecdigital.com>
 <F26FA733-31F6-4E70-BE67-0852E7833155@iotecdigital.com>
 <11c91d2d-6351-1459-7087-cd0d07061343@researchware.com>
 <BC0C36F8-5564-4E24-9B67-564DA5CC4A40@iotecdigital.com>
 <D146FE4F-C4AB-4A98-863A-154E13B7F89D@starfirelighting.com>
Message-ID: <499C9C03-5553-4B85-9386-F3BB2D571859@iotecdigital.com>

I was referring to dgNumberOfRecords

	• get the dgNumberOfRecords
	• set the dgNumberOfRecords of group "DataGrid" to 20
	• Getting the dgNumberOfRecords is the same as getting the dgNumberOfLines. Setting the dgNumberOfRecords has a special significance however. If you set the dgNumberOfRecords then you are telling the data grid that you know how many total records there are and you are going to supply the data for each record on an as-needed basis. This is useful when you have data in a database cursor that you would like to feed into the data grid.
After setting this property the data grid will send the GetDataForLine message to the data grid whenever it needs to display data for a particular line. You can define this command in the data grid script or elsewhere in the hierarchy. The definition is as follows:

command GetDataForLine pLine, @pDataA
  
end GetDataForLine

You should fill pDataA with the appropriate data based on the line of data being requested. pDataA should not have a numeric index. It is the array that would be assigned to one of the numeric indexes if you were assigning the dgData property.

Bob S


> On Aug 10, 2022, at 06:51 , Craig Newman via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> This seems like a fragment of a longer thread, but the “dgText” and the “dgData” are the two methods I use to extract, process and reload the content of a data grid.
> 
> Craig
> 
>> On Aug 9, 2022, at 11:09 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I believe there is a property you set, after which you programmatically control the population of the datagrid. I am in a hurry so I can't look it up right now, but it is in the datagrid API in livecode lessons. 
>> 
>> Bob S
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 9, 2022, at 05:09 , Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I can only image that the customer entered a name with some characters that Datagrid has a problem with as a column name OR that the shear number of columns (as the customer is working with a very large dataset) exceeds some practical Datagrid limit, but what would that be?
>> 
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From brian at milby7.com  Wed Aug 10 11:35:22 2022
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 11:35:22 -0400
Subject: Getting the visible rect of a stack with fullscreenmode "showall"
In-Reply-To: <D89134B4-2129-4383-9766-FEA0711E4C45@major-k.de>
References: <D89134B4-2129-4383-9766-FEA0711E4C45@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <CC7D9FEA-BFE0-4502-8565-BB2C534B8BC2@milby7.com>

Check out this repository:
https://github.com/bwmilby/mobileDemo

It has logging that shows various rects when changing modes.  I can look later to try to give a more concise answer.

Thanks,
Brian

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 10, 2022, at 11:00 AM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> the subject says it all...
> 
> How can we get the the visible rect of a stack running
> on mobile with fullscreenmode "showall"?
> Know what I mean?
> 
> Thank you for any hint!
> 
> 
> Best
> 
> Klaus
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From klaus at major-k.de  Wed Aug 10 11:44:03 2022
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 17:44:03 +0200
Subject: Getting the visible rect of a stack with fullscreenmode "showall"
In-Reply-To: <CC7D9FEA-BFE0-4502-8565-BB2C534B8BC2@milby7.com>
References: <D89134B4-2129-4383-9766-FEA0711E4C45@major-k.de>
 <CC7D9FEA-BFE0-4502-8565-BB2C534B8BC2@milby7.com>
Message-ID: <992EC019-21BE-45FD-9A3C-844F3BE597A1@major-k.de>

Hi Brian,

> Am 10.08.2022 um 17:35 schrieb Brian Milby via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Check out this repository:
> https://github.com/bwmilby/mobileDemo
> 
> It has logging that shows various rects when changing modes.  I can look later to try to give a more concise answer.

ah, yes, "the effectiver working screenrect"! 8-)

Will take a deeper look at your stack later, thanks!

> Thanks,
> Brian

Best

Klaus

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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Aug 10 12:04:22 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 16:04:22 +0000
Subject: Getting the visible rect of a stack with fullscreenmode "showall"
In-Reply-To: <992EC019-21BE-45FD-9A3C-844F3BE597A1@major-k.de>
References: <D89134B4-2129-4383-9766-FEA0711E4C45@major-k.de>
 <CC7D9FEA-BFE0-4502-8565-BB2C534B8BC2@milby7.com>
 <992EC019-21BE-45FD-9A3C-844F3BE597A1@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <85D09ECC-2265-4B3F-8D0C-BCF1CBB3A9C0@iotecdigital.com>

Wait, there is a more effectiver working screenrect than the effective one?? ;-P

Bob S


> On Aug 10, 2022, at 08:44 , Klaus major-k via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> ah, yes, "the effectiver working screenrect"! 8-)



From klaus at major-k.de  Wed Aug 10 12:07:44 2022
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 18:07:44 +0200
Subject: iPhone simulators
Message-ID: <700D60BB-911D-499B-8BD9-6BC7A7442A78@major-k.de>

Hi all,

we can open several different iPhone and iPad simulators on the Mac via Xcode.

However in the "Test Target" menu of LC we only see one generic "iPhone Simulator 15.2"
resp. "iPad Simulator 15.2".

Is there a way to select one of the open simulators directly?
Know what I mean? Thanks in advance!


Best

Klaus
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From klaus at major-k.de  Wed Aug 10 12:08:32 2022
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 18:08:32 +0200
Subject: Getting the visible rect of a stack with fullscreenmode "showall"
In-Reply-To: <85D09ECC-2265-4B3F-8D0C-BCF1CBB3A9C0@iotecdigital.com>
References: <D89134B4-2129-4383-9766-FEA0711E4C45@major-k.de>
 <CC7D9FEA-BFE0-4502-8565-BB2C534B8BC2@milby7.com>
 <992EC019-21BE-45FD-9A3C-844F3BE597A1@major-k.de>
 <85D09ECC-2265-4B3F-8D0C-BCF1CBB3A9C0@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CCF55103-20C6-4BEC-833B-799BA53FBAC4@major-k.de>

Hi Bob,

> Am 10.08.2022 um 18:04 schrieb Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Wait, there is a more effectiver working screenrect than the effective one?? ;-P

yes, but it is R-rated! 8-)

> Bob S
> 
>> On Aug 10, 2022, at 08:44 , Klaus major-k via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> ah, yes, "the effectiver working screenrect"! 8-)

Best

Klaus

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From panos.merakos at livecode.com  Wed Aug 10 12:11:01 2022
From: panos.merakos at livecode.com (panagiotis merakos)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 19:11:01 +0300
Subject: [ANN] Release 9.6.9 RC-1
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq-xHRk_X-XK6GVOpqbLkxyQiotbgfwVAmqy9WjR6kwG4A@mail.gmail.com>

Dear list members,

We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.9 RC-1.

LiveCode 9.6.9 RC-1 comes with more than 30 bugfixes, including support for
Android API 31, which is now a requirement for submitting new apps to the
Google Play Store.

You can find more details on the bug fixes and improvements of this new
release here:

https://livecode.com/android-api-31-support/

Note: This maintenance pre-release will break from convention slightly in
that there will definitely be an RC-2 with further bug fixes. This RC-1
release is being made due to the change in API level requirement for the
Play Store recently made by Google.

You can find the release in your LiveCode account area or get it via the
automatic updater.

Enjoy!

Kind regards
The LiveCode Team

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From merakosp at gmail.com  Wed Aug 10 12:28:22 2022
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis m)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 19:28:22 +0300
Subject: iPhone simulators
In-Reply-To: <700D60BB-911D-499B-8BD9-6BC7A7442A78@major-k.de>
References: <700D60BB-911D-499B-8BD9-6BC7A7442A78@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq9Xm4Nwysjx5qVt-zmYG38dP=HROzamw+xKUCA-dLbCsw@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Klaus,

The suggested approach is to make sure the desired simulator device is
already up and running. And then, in the Test Target menu, choose "iPhone
Simulator 15.2" or ""iPad Simulator 15.2", and click Test.

PS: To change a device, click on the Simulator app menu Hardware -> Device
-> iPhone X.Y etc

Note this might be slightly different depending on the version of your
Simulator app, which depends on the Xcode version, which depends on your
MacOS version :)

Cheers,
Panos

On Wed, 10 Aug 2022 at 19:08, Klaus major-k via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> we can open several different iPhone and iPad simulators on the Mac via
> Xcode.
>
> However in the "Test Target" menu of LC we only see one generic "iPhone
> Simulator 15.2"
> resp. "iPad Simulator 15.2".
>
> Is there a way to select one of the open simulators directly?
> Know what I mean? Thanks in advance!
>
>
> Best
>
> Klaus
> --
> Klaus Major
> https://www.major-k.de
> https://www.major-k.de/bass
> klaus at major-k.de
>
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From klaus at major-k.de  Wed Aug 10 12:38:36 2022
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 18:38:36 +0200
Subject: iPhone simulators
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq9Xm4Nwysjx5qVt-zmYG38dP=HROzamw+xKUCA-dLbCsw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <700D60BB-911D-499B-8BD9-6BC7A7442A78@major-k.de>
 <CA+JfEq9Xm4Nwysjx5qVt-zmYG38dP=HROzamw+xKUCA-dLbCsw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AF909224-1952-46F7-A0EE-98AE7B3CEA9E@major-k.de>

Hi Panos,

> Am 10.08.2022 um 18:28 schrieb panagiotis m via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Hello Klaus,
> 
> The suggested approach is to make sure the desired simulator device is
> already up and running. And then, in the Test Target menu, choose "iPhone
> Simulator 15.2" or ""iPad Simulator 15.2", and click Test.
> 
> PS: To change a device, click on the Simulator app menu Hardware -> Device
> -> iPhone X.Y etc

yes, I know this, that was not my question.

Supposed I opened two iPhone simulators (macOS 12.5, Xcode 13.2.1) in the simulator app,
in the LC menu there is only ONE entry named "iPhone Simulator 15.2".

My question is if we can test the app in one of the two simulators directly?
Means can we specifically address one of the open simulators?

Does not seem possible in the moment...
Looks like only the first opened simulator is being addressed by LC.

> Note this might be slightly different depending on the version of your
> Simulator app, which depends on the Xcode version, which depends on your
> MacOS version :)

Go figure!? 8-)

> Cheers,
> Panos
> 
> On Wed, 10 Aug 2022 at 19:08, Klaus major-k via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> we can open several different iPhone and iPad simulators on the Mac via
>> Xcode.
>> 
>> However in the "Test Target" menu of LC we only see one generic "iPhone
>> Simulator 15.2" resp. "iPad Simulator 15.2".
>> 
>> Is there a way to select one of the open simulators directly?
>> Know what I mean? Thanks in advance!

Best

Klaus

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https://www.major-k.de
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Aug 10 13:23:57 2022
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 12:23:57 -0500
Subject: iPhone simulators
In-Reply-To: <AF909224-1952-46F7-A0EE-98AE7B3CEA9E@major-k.de>
References: <700D60BB-911D-499B-8BD9-6BC7A7442A78@major-k.de>
 <CA+JfEq9Xm4Nwysjx5qVt-zmYG38dP=HROzamw+xKUCA-dLbCsw@mail.gmail.com>
 <AF909224-1952-46F7-A0EE-98AE7B3CEA9E@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <18288c8cbc8.27a5.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>

If I remember right you can have an iPhone and an iPad simulator open at 
the same time and choose between them, but if you want two of the same type 
then it doesn't work.

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On August 10, 2022 11:39:54 AM Klaus major-k via use-livecode
>
> Does not seem possible in the moment...
> Looks like only the first opened simulator is being addressed by LC.




From klaus at major-k.de  Wed Aug 10 13:30:55 2022
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 19:30:55 +0200
Subject: iPhone simulators
In-Reply-To: <18288c8cbc8.27a5.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <700D60BB-911D-499B-8BD9-6BC7A7442A78@major-k.de>
 <CA+JfEq9Xm4Nwysjx5qVt-zmYG38dP=HROzamw+xKUCA-dLbCsw@mail.gmail.com>
 <AF909224-1952-46F7-A0EE-98AE7B3CEA9E@major-k.de>
 <18288c8cbc8.27a5.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <07EC9DFE-FB02-457A-A79C-1AE689BEEBB3@major-k.de>

Hi Jaques,

> Am 10.08.2022 um 19:23 schrieb J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> If I remember right you can have an iPhone and an iPad simulator open at the same time and choose between them, but if you want two of the same type then it doesn't work.

yep, came to the same conclusion.
A good candidate for an "enhancement request". :-)

> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> On August 10, 2022 11:39:54 AM Klaus major-k via use-livecode
>> 
>> Does not seem possible in the moment...
>> Looks like only the first opened simulator is being addressed by LC.

Best

Klaus

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From brian at milby7.com  Wed Aug 10 13:56:20 2022
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 13:56:20 -0400
Subject: Getting the visible rect of a stack with fullscreenmode "showall"
In-Reply-To: <CCF55103-20C6-4BEC-833B-799BA53FBAC4@major-k.de>
References: <CCF55103-20C6-4BEC-833B-799BA53FBAC4@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <102727ED-63C1-4F6D-B0DC-3C0B008E6A2E@milby7.com>

The handler you probably need to look at is in card 1002 (index) called setBackground (line 104).  The effective working screenrect is going to report device pixels.  To actually know the relative rect from the card’s perspective you have to translate to the card coordinates.  I may not have used the most efficient method, but you should be able to follow it.

Thanks,
Brian

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 10, 2022, at 12:08 PM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Bob,
> 
>> Am 10.08.2022 um 18:04 schrieb Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>> 
>> Wait, there is a more effectiver working screenrect than the effective one?? ;-P
> 
> yes, but it is R-rated! 8-)
> 
>> Bob S
>> 
>>>> On Aug 10, 2022, at 08:44 , Klaus major-k via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> ah, yes, "the effectiver working screenrect"! 8-)
> 
> Best
> 
> Klaus
> 
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> 
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Aug 10 16:14:44 2022
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 15:14:44 -0500
Subject: Windows standalone settings
Message-ID: <fe3c092e-8edf-2a91-d8b2-40ee8c154dad@hyperactivesw.com>

Does anyone still build for Windows x86 or is x86-64 sufficient now?

Also, what UAC execution level do you set? Default, highest avialable, etc.?

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From paul at researchware.com  Wed Aug 10 16:23:45 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 16:23:45 -0400
Subject: Windows standalone settings
In-Reply-To: <fe3c092e-8edf-2a91-d8b2-40ee8c154dad@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <fe3c092e-8edf-2a91-d8b2-40ee8c154dad@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <5849fd1e-665f-5089-118c-1cd11079909c@researchware.com>

On 8/10/2022 4:14 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
> Does anyone still build for Windows x86 or is x86-64 sufficient now?
>
> Also, what UAC execution level do you set? Default, highest avialable, 
> etc.?
>

I still build for 32 bit windows as it still works and is the lowest 
common denominator - it works on all windows systems. I leave the UAC at 
Default for our apps but Admin for our Installer (built in Livecode like 
our apps)


From paul at researchware.com  Wed Aug 10 16:27:26 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 16:27:26 -0400
Subject: Datagrid internal error
In-Reply-To: <499C9C03-5553-4B85-9386-F3BB2D571859@iotecdigital.com>
References: <2981919d-4756-8d31-0a95-d28fdca6b445@researchware.com>
 <0B74C5FE-37CF-4858-A029-E7CE5D65A8AE@iotecdigital.com>
 <F26FA733-31F6-4E70-BE67-0852E7833155@iotecdigital.com>
 <11c91d2d-6351-1459-7087-cd0d07061343@researchware.com>
 <BC0C36F8-5564-4E24-9B67-564DA5CC4A40@iotecdigital.com>
 <D146FE4F-C4AB-4A98-863A-154E13B7F89D@starfirelighting.com>
 <499C9C03-5553-4B85-9386-F3BB2D571859@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <84758463-64dd-324b-9cf0-511cfe09ef0a@researchware.com>

I'm sorry, I don;t see what setting the dgData or dgText or 
dgNuberofRecords has to do with my original post - I get an internal 
Datagird script error when setting the names of the columns (see 
original post)

On 8/10/2022 11:11 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
> I was referring to dgNumberOfRecords
>
> 	 get the dgNumberOfRecords
> 	 set the dgNumberOfRecords of group "DataGrid" to 20
> 	 Getting the dgNumberOfRecords is the same as getting the dgNumberOfLines. Setting the dgNumberOfRecords has a special significance however. If you set the dgNumberOfRecords then you are telling the data grid that you know how many total records there are and you are going to supply the data for each record on an as-needed basis. This is useful when you have data in a database cursor that you would like to feed into the data grid.
> After setting this property the data grid will send the GetDataForLine message to the data grid whenever it needs to display data for a particular line. You can define this command in the data grid script or elsewhere in the hierarchy. The definition is as follows:
>
> command GetDataForLine pLine, @pDataA
>    
> end GetDataForLine
>
> You should fill pDataA with the appropriate data based on the line of data being requested. pDataA should not have a numeric index. It is the array that would be assigned to one of the numeric indexes if you were assigning the dgData property.
>
> Bob S
>
>
>> On Aug 10, 2022, at 06:51 , Craig Newman via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> This seems like a fragment of a longer thread, but the dgText and the dgData are the two methods I use to extract, process and reload the content of a data grid.
>>
>> Craig
>>
>>> On Aug 9, 2022, at 11:09 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I believe there is a property you set, after which you programmatically control the population of the datagrid. I am in a hurry so I can't look it up right now, but it is in the datagrid API in livecode lessons.
>>>
>>> Bob S
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Aug 9, 2022, at 05:09 , Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I can only image that the customer entered a name with some characters that Datagrid has a problem with as a column name OR that the shear number of columns (as the customer is working with a very large dataset) exceeds some practical Datagrid limit, but what would that be?
>>>
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From mark at canelasoftware.com  Wed Aug 10 16:41:48 2022
From: mark at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 13:41:48 -0700
Subject: [ANN] Release 9.6.9 RC-1
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq-xHRk_X-XK6GVOpqbLkxyQiotbgfwVAmqy9WjR6kwG4A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+JfEq-xHRk_X-XK6GVOpqbLkxyQiotbgfwVAmqy9WjR6kwG4A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C5A6A2EF-9F4B-48FD-90FF-841488B79AF8@canelasoftware.com>


> On Aug 10, 2022, at 9:11 AM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Dear list members,
> 
> We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.9 RC-1.
> 
> LiveCode 9.6.9 RC-1 comes with more than 30 bugfixes, including support for
> Android API 31, which is now a requirement for submitting new apps to the
> Google Play Store.
> 
> You can find more details on the bug fixes and improvements of this new
> release here:
> 
> https://livecode.com/android-api-31-support/
> 
> Note: This maintenance pre-release will break from convention slightly in
> that there will definitely be an RC-2 with further bug fixes. This RC-1
> release is being made due to the change in API level requirement for the
> Play Store recently made by Google.
> 
> You can find the release in your LiveCode account area or get it via the
> automatic updater.
> 
> Enjoy!
> 
> Kind regards
> The LiveCode Team


Thank you for this update.


Best regards,
Mark Talluto


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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Aug 10 16:57:18 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 20:57:18 +0000
Subject: Datagrid internal error
In-Reply-To: <84758463-64dd-324b-9cf0-511cfe09ef0a@researchware.com>
References: <2981919d-4756-8d31-0a95-d28fdca6b445@researchware.com>
 <0B74C5FE-37CF-4858-A029-E7CE5D65A8AE@iotecdigital.com>
 <F26FA733-31F6-4E70-BE67-0852E7833155@iotecdigital.com>
 <11c91d2d-6351-1459-7087-cd0d07061343@researchware.com>
 <BC0C36F8-5564-4E24-9B67-564DA5CC4A40@iotecdigital.com>
 <D146FE4F-C4AB-4A98-863A-154E13B7F89D@starfirelighting.com>
 <499C9C03-5553-4B85-9386-F3BB2D571859@iotecdigital.com>
 <84758463-64dd-324b-9cf0-511cfe09ef0a@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <A7831160-EB11-4535-A20E-3B3F1446999B@iotecdigital.com>

Well the question came up if there was some limit on the number of records, and controlling the population of the datagrid would solve that. As far as the number of columns, I suspect there may be a limit on the number of *displayed* columns, and probably an issue with what characters are allowed for column names. Those things I am unsure of. 

Is it necessary to display *all* the data in the array, or can you use the datagrid as a sort of index to an array that is in memory, only populating the columns you need? 

The datagrid library is not protected, so if your app in the IDE throws an error and drops you into the datagrid library script in the debugger (mine does), then you can poke around in the debugger to see where things are going awry. 

Bob S


> On Aug 10, 2022, at 13:27 , Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I'm sorry, I don;t see what setting the dgData or dgText or dgNuberofRecords has to do with my original post - I get an internal Datagird script error when setting the names of the columns (see original post)



From craig at starfirelighting.com  Wed Aug 10 16:57:23 2022
From: craig at starfirelighting.com (Craig Newman)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 16:57:23 -0400
Subject: Datagrid internal error
In-Reply-To: <D146FE4F-C4AB-4A98-863A-154E13B7F89D@starfirelighting.com>
References: <2981919d-4756-8d31-0a95-d28fdca6b445@researchware.com>
 <0B74C5FE-37CF-4858-A029-E7CE5D65A8AE@iotecdigital.com>
 <F26FA733-31F6-4E70-BE67-0852E7833155@iotecdigital.com>
 <11c91d2d-6351-1459-7087-cd0d07061343@researchware.com>
 <BC0C36F8-5564-4E24-9B67-564DA5CC4A40@iotecdigital.com>
 <D146FE4F-C4AB-4A98-863A-154E13B7F89D@starfirelighting.com>
Message-ID: <F28F33B9-C9DC-4950-AC00-3F9850BDAFC7@starfirelighting.com>

Paul.

All I saw was this:

"I believe there is a property you set, after which you programmatically control the population of the datagrid. I am in a hurry so I can't look it up right now, but it is in the datagrid API in livecode lessons. 

Which is why I mentioned that the bulk of the thread must not have come to me.

Craig

From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Aug 10 16:58:53 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 20:58:53 +0000
Subject: Windows standalone settings
In-Reply-To: <fe3c092e-8edf-2a91-d8b2-40ee8c154dad@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <fe3c092e-8edf-2a91-d8b2-40ee8c154dad@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <FE31BE0A-6D6D-406D-B3BE-1717BC7833E5@iotecdigital.com>

I do only because I have a special case where I grabbled a 32 bit windows PC to serve mySQL and Spiceworks, and to host my SQL Socket Agent. 

Bob S


> On Aug 10, 2022, at 13:14 , J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Does anyone still build for Windows x86 or is x86-64 sufficient now?
> 
> Also, what UAC execution level do you set? Default, highest avialable, etc.?
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
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From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Wed Aug 10 17:02:43 2022
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 16:02:43 -0500
Subject: Datagrid internal error
In-Reply-To: <005401d8ab4d$bbd48c10$337da430$@net>
References: <2981919d-4756-8d31-0a95-d28fdca6b445@researchware.com>
 <60e95862-61d7-4a07-2423-b77b10afc68f@researchware.com>
 <005401d8ab4d$bbd48c10$337da430$@net>
Message-ID: <CAHg3tG9MWSvRO1ZdSk-R_4gYL+XyX2T34chW1y-KARxEkDccUQ@mail.gmail.com>

32,767 is the max for width as well. If there are enough columns it is
possible that the DataGrid is rendering a group that exceeds this limit and
hence the error. The DataGrid works around the limit when rendering rows,
but not when rendering columns.

I suppose a quick test would be to create a DataGrid with 330 columns that
are at least 100 pixels wide and see if you get the same error.

-- 
Trevor DeVore
ScreenSteps

On Mon, Aug 8, 2022 at 12:36 PM Ralph DiMola via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Paul,
>
> The max height of a field is 32,767 pixels. This can be hard to quantify
> especially on mobile with the cornucopia of screen resolutions. I would
> imagine that this limit also applies to groups as well. I got bit on this
> when the app worked in the IDE but failed on some devices.
>
> Ralph DiMola
> IT Director
> Evergreen Information Services
> rdimola at evergreeninfo.net
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On
> Behalf
> Of Paul Dupuis via use-livecode
> Sent: Monday, August 08, 2022 12:39 PM
> To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Cc: Paul Dupuis
> Subject: Re: Datagrid internal error
>
> On 8/8/2022 12:26 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
> > A customer encountered the following execution error (below) in our
> > app (built on Livecode 9.6.7, MacOS 12.5). This error is occurring in
> > the scrips for the Datagrid itself, rather than our code. At the end,
> > it is one of our handler, "populateMe", where line 139 is where the
> > error starts.
> > Line 139 set the dgProp["columns"] of grp "rwMatrixObj_DataGrid" to
> > tColumnNames
> >
>
> For example, some information from the customer suggest they are working
> with a VERY large dataset, so the length of the list in TColumnNames could
> be quit long - perhaps hundreds of lines. Is there a practical limit on the
> number of columns a Datagrid can be set to?
>
>
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From paul at researchware.com  Wed Aug 10 17:14:44 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 17:14:44 -0400
Subject: Datagrid internal error
In-Reply-To: <A7831160-EB11-4535-A20E-3B3F1446999B@iotecdigital.com>
References: <2981919d-4756-8d31-0a95-d28fdca6b445@researchware.com>
 <0B74C5FE-37CF-4858-A029-E7CE5D65A8AE@iotecdigital.com>
 <F26FA733-31F6-4E70-BE67-0852E7833155@iotecdigital.com>
 <11c91d2d-6351-1459-7087-cd0d07061343@researchware.com>
 <BC0C36F8-5564-4E24-9B67-564DA5CC4A40@iotecdigital.com>
 <D146FE4F-C4AB-4A98-863A-154E13B7F89D@starfirelighting.com>
 <499C9C03-5553-4B85-9386-F3BB2D571859@iotecdigital.com>
 <84758463-64dd-324b-9cf0-511cfe09ef0a@researchware.com>
 <A7831160-EB11-4535-A20E-3B3F1446999B@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <33771d06-f7ea-8b67-f7e0-22a841b52c70@researchware.com>

I do appreciate the responses. My question was not about the number of 
records, but about the number of COLUMNS and whether there is any 
practical or known limit.

When my code is setting the column names, that list comes from customer 
entered data. I know that each name is less than 255 characters and 
restricts entry of certain characters (previously listed) such as comma, 
[ ], etc. How many names is unknown.

In this specific case of the error I reported, the customer is not in a 
position to be able to help much (if at all). Since it is customer data 
dependent, we are not able to reproduce the error in the IDE. SO my very 
specific questions was: Has any one seen an error like the one I 
reported (copied again below) OR know of any issues/limits when setting 
the dgProp["columns"] property of a Datagrid?

A customer encountered the following execution error (below) in our app 
(built on Livecode 9.6.7, MacOS 12.5). This error is occurring in the 
scripts for the Datagrid itself, rather than our code. At the end, it is 
one of our handler, "populateMe", where line 139 is where the error starts.

Line 139 set the dgProp["columns"] of grp "rwMatrixObj_DataGrid" to 
tColumnNames

tColumnNames is a variable containing a list of text lines that are 
customer entered column names, so they could be ANYTHING (up to 255 
chars, no control characters, including DEL (127)) that a user could 
type or paste into a field, including words in any language using Unicode.

As the executionContexts data does not contain the actual values of the 
variable tColumnNames when the error occurs, does ANYONE have any idea 
what tColumnNames might contain that could produce the error(s) show below?

Technical information:
Property: value is not a number: (Line 11, column 1)
Object: can't set object property: (Line 11, column 5)
set: can't set property: (Line 11, column 1)
Handler: error in statement: LayoutControl (Line 11, column 1)
Object ID: stack "RevDataGridLibraryBehaviorsDefaultHeaderButtonBehavior"
-
repeat: error in statement: (Line 5066, column 1)
Handler: error in statement: _table.ResizeHeaders (Line 5052, column 1)
Object ID: stack "RevDataGridLibraryBehaviorsDataGridButtonBehavior"
-
Handler: error in statement: _table.ResizeColumns (Line 4967, column 1)
Object ID: stack "RevDataGridLibraryBehaviorsDataGridButtonBehavior"
-
Handler: error in statement: _table.CreateColumns (Line 4737, column 1)
Object ID: stack "RevDataGridLibraryBehaviorsDataGridButtonBehavior"
-
Handler: error in statement: _table.RegenerateColumns (Line 4538, column 1)
Object ID: stack "RevDataGridLibraryBehaviorsDataGridButtonBehavior"
-
switch: error in statement: (Line 6150, column 1)
Handler: error in statement: dgProps (Line 5553, column 1)
Object ID: stack "RevDataGridLibraryBehaviorsDataGridButtonBehavior"
-
set: can't set property: (Line 5529, column 1)
Handler: error in statement: dgProp (Line 5529, column 1)
Object ID: stack "RevDataGridLibraryBehaviorsDataGridButtonBehavior"
-
set: can't set property: (Line 139, column 1)
if-then: error in statement: (Line 139, column 1)
Handler: error in statement: populateMe (Line 138, column 1)
Object: group "Table" of card "FrequencyReport" of stack "FreqReport.rwtl"
Object ID: group id 1162 of card id 1002 of stack 
"/Applications/HyperRESEARCH 4.5.4/Components/Tools/FreqReport.rwtl"



From paul at researchware.com  Wed Aug 10 17:15:25 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 17:15:25 -0400
Subject: Datagrid internal error
In-Reply-To: <CAHg3tG9MWSvRO1ZdSk-R_4gYL+XyX2T34chW1y-KARxEkDccUQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2981919d-4756-8d31-0a95-d28fdca6b445@researchware.com>
 <60e95862-61d7-4a07-2423-b77b10afc68f@researchware.com>
 <005401d8ab4d$bbd48c10$337da430$@net>
 <CAHg3tG9MWSvRO1ZdSk-R_4gYL+XyX2T34chW1y-KARxEkDccUQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <21ce9be5-0360-1ca5-5135-efc26d37016c@researchware.com>

On 8/10/2022 5:02 PM, Trevor DeVore via use-livecode wrote:
> 32,767 is the max for width as well. If there are enough columns it is
> possible that the DataGrid is rendering a group that exceeds this limit and
> hence the error. The DataGrid works around the limit when rendering rows,
> but not when rendering columns.
>
> I suppose a quick test would be to create a DataGrid with 330 columns that
> are at least 100 pixels wide and see if you get the same error.
>

Thank you!



From sean at pidigital.co.uk  Wed Aug 10 23:45:22 2022
From: sean at pidigital.co.uk (Sean Cole)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 04:45:22 +0100
Subject: Email via IMAP with HTML body from a template
Message-ID: <CABRqQSRadss+-jmj32i=04hTs=MsLKHwFL-8Thm5gNwBmVEzzw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I'm struggling with this still. It's been years (since before Dec 2020) and
I just can't get my head around it.

I have a template created in Dreamweaver that is a simple bit of HTML body
with CSS styling embedded (https://pidigital.co.uk/DeepDiveReport.html).
There is also a pdf that needs to be attached.

How do I use MimeEncodeAsMIMEMultipartDocument to make it ready to send via
tsNetSmtpSync?

There are zero tutorials and the dictionary is devoid of any useful
information on how to use it. Google turned up nothing. In my previous
request back in 2020, Monte, the author of the MIME library, had only
referred me on to the RSC docs for MIME which is like looking for a straw
in a needle stack. When I asked at one of the 'Firesides' I was told just
to use a template and send it. But to send it, it needs to be encoded and
that's the bit that is undocumented anywhere.

Any help appreciated.

From tom at makeshyft.com  Thu Aug 11 00:38:10 2022
From: tom at makeshyft.com (Tom Glod)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 00:38:10 -0400
Subject: Email via IMAP with HTML body from a template
In-Reply-To: <CABRqQSRadss+-jmj32i=04hTs=MsLKHwFL-8Thm5gNwBmVEzzw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABRqQSRadss+-jmj32i=04hTs=MsLKHwFL-8Thm5gNwBmVEzzw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPzQJL+2Rj6yer545=_wWMd3U5xoynjZXNOTu_SJyjSKcVWJ+g@mail.gmail.com>

Sean,

Try this ..

edit the script of stack "com.livecode.library.mime"

there seems to be some documentation there that may help.

I also found this

https://livecode.fandom.com/wiki/MimeEncodeAsMIMEMultipartDocument

Is that your comment? :)

Hope that helps a bit.



On Wed, Aug 10, 2022 at 11:46 PM Sean Cole via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I'm struggling with this still. It's been years (since before Dec 2020) and
> I just can't get my head around it.
>
> I have a template created in Dreamweaver that is a simple bit of HTML body
> with CSS styling embedded (https://pidigital.co.uk/DeepDiveReport.html).
> There is also a pdf that needs to be attached.
>
> How do I use MimeEncodeAsMIMEMultipartDocument to make it ready to send via
> tsNetSmtpSync?
>
> There are zero tutorials and the dictionary is devoid of any useful
> information on how to use it. Google turned up nothing. In my previous
> request back in 2020, Monte, the author of the MIME library, had only
> referred me on to the RSC docs for MIME which is like looking for a straw
> in a needle stack. When I asked at one of the 'Firesides' I was told just
> to use a template and send it. But to send it, it needs to be encoded and
> that's the bit that is undocumented anywhere.
>
> Any help appreciated.
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From sean at pidigital.co.uk  Thu Aug 11 01:11:38 2022
From: sean at pidigital.co.uk (Sean Cole)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 06:11:38 +0100
Subject: Email via IMAP with HTML body from a template
In-Reply-To: <CAPzQJL+2Rj6yer545=_wWMd3U5xoynjZXNOTu_SJyjSKcVWJ+g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABRqQSRadss+-jmj32i=04hTs=MsLKHwFL-8Thm5gNwBmVEzzw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAPzQJL+2Rj6yer545=_wWMd3U5xoynjZXNOTu_SJyjSKcVWJ+g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABRqQSSdWveCQrUiSdErcgjxiTUU2ZRmhiK7iVh8c0wpcPkkVg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Tom,

The doc in the script is the same that comes up in the dictionary. No help
when it comes to actually following a series of instructions that are
needed to send an HTML email via tsNetSmtpSync. Basically, it only tells
you the syntax, but with no help on even a few of the necessary parameters
you would need to use to make proper use of it. It's like being handed the
space shuttle and told "there you are, work it out for yourself"!

That is my comment on Fandom. The same I asked of Monte. Neither he nor
anyone else wants to answer those questions it would seem.

pContentA: How do we pre-encode parts including headers?
pMultipartType: What MultiPart types are there?
pParamA: What kind of parameters does ParamA take?

The formatting we get from converting a field to mime
(MimeEncodeFieldAsMimeMultipartDocument - a ridiculously long command name
btw) is horrendous. It's practically unusable, hence why I NEED to find a
way to send HTML by email on behalf of our clients.

On Thu, 11 Aug 2022 at 05:38, Tom Glod via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Sean,
>
> Try this ..
>
> edit the script of stack "com.livecode.library.mime"
>
> there seems to be some documentation there that may help.
>
> I also found this
>
> https://livecode.fandom.com/wiki/MimeEncodeAsMIMEMultipartDocument
>
> Is that your comment? :)
>
> Hope that helps a bit.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 10, 2022 at 11:46 PM Sean Cole via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I'm struggling with this still. It's been years (since before Dec 2020)
> and
> > I just can't get my head around it.
> >
> > I have a template created in Dreamweaver that is a simple bit of HTML
> body
> > with CSS styling embedded (https://pidigital.co.uk/DeepDiveReport.html).
> > There is also a pdf that needs to be attached.
> >
> > How do I use MimeEncodeAsMIMEMultipartDocument to make it ready to send
> via
> > tsNetSmtpSync?
> >
> > There are zero tutorials and the dictionary is devoid of any useful
> > information on how to use it. Google turned up nothing. In my previous
> > request back in 2020, Monte, the author of the MIME library, had only
> > referred me on to the RSC docs for MIME which is like looking for a straw
> > in a needle stack. When I asked at one of the 'Firesides' I was told just
> > to use a template and send it. But to send it, it needs to be encoded and
> > that's the bit that is undocumented anywhere.
> >
> > Any help appreciated.
> > _______________________________________________
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From charles at techstrategies.com.au  Thu Aug 11 01:45:09 2022
From: charles at techstrategies.com.au (Charles Warwick)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 15:45:09 +1000
Subject: Email via IMAP with HTML body from a template
Message-ID: <C69434C1-A162-477B-8096-8BAF4DC53143@techstrategies.com.au>

Hi Sean,

There is a sample stack on my website for sending an e-mail with an attachment using the MIME library here:

https://downloads.techstrategies.com.au/tsnet/smtpexample.livecode

Does that help at all,

Regards,

Charles

> On 11 Aug 2022, at 2:39 pm, Tom Glod via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Sean,
> 
> Try this ..
> 
> edit the script of stack "com.livecode.library.mime"
> 
> there seems to be some documentation there that may help.
> 
> I also found this
> 
> https://livecode.fandom.com/wiki/MimeEncodeAsMIMEMultipartDocument
> 
> Is that your comment? :)
> 
> Hope that helps a bit.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Wed, Aug 10, 2022 at 11:46 PM Sean Cole via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> I'm struggling with this still. It's been years (since before Dec 2020) and
>> I just can't get my head around it.
>> I have a template created in Dreamweaver that is a simple bit of HTML body
>> with CSS styling embedded (https://pidigital.co.uk/DeepDiveReport.html).
>> There is also a pdf that needs to be attached.
>> How do I use MimeEncodeAsMIMEMultipartDocument to make it ready to send via
>> tsNetSmtpSync?
>> There are zero tutorials and the dictionary is devoid of any useful
>> information on how to use it. Google turned up nothing. In my previous
>> request back in 2020, Monte, the author of the MIME library, had only
>> referred me on to the RSC docs for MIME which is like looking for a straw
>> in a needle stack. When I asked at one of the 'Firesides' I was told just
>> to use a template and send it. But to send it, it needs to be encoded and
>> that's the bit that is undocumented anywhere.
>> Any help appreciated.
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
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From sean at pidigital.co.uk  Thu Aug 11 02:10:08 2022
From: sean at pidigital.co.uk (Pi Digital)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 07:10:08 +0100
Subject: Email via IMAP with HTML body from a template
In-Reply-To: <C69434C1-A162-477B-8096-8BAF4DC53143@techstrategies.com.au>
References: <C69434C1-A162-477B-8096-8BAF4DC53143@techstrategies.com.au>
Message-ID: <D2BDC61F-C28E-4258-9C19-182817AFF2E6@pidigital.co.uk>

Hi Charles

I know how to add an attachment because there are tutorials on this. That is already being implemented. My question is on how to add in proper html body for the content. Does your stack show how to do that?

Sean

> On 11 Aug 2022, at 06:45, Charles Warwick via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Sean,
> 
> There is a sample stack on my website for sending an e-mail with an attachment using the MIME library here:
> 
> https://downloads.techstrategies.com.au/tsnet/smtpexample.livecode
> 
> Does that help at all,
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Charles


From charles at techstrategies.com.au  Thu Aug 11 02:16:03 2022
From: charles at techstrategies.com.au (Charles Warwick)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 16:16:03 +1000
Subject: Email via IMAP with HTML body from a template
In-Reply-To: <C69434C1-A162-477B-8096-8BAF4DC53143@techstrategies.com.au>
References: <C69434C1-A162-477B-8096-8BAF4DC53143@techstrategies.com.au>
Message-ID: <0C99BEF1-2C2C-4583-8E74-B6AFA0803E6E@techstrategies.com.au>

Hi Sean,

After reading your second e-mail, I see that you don't want to use mimeEncodeFieldAsMIMEMultipartDocument to generate the HTML version of the e-mail body from a field as it does in that sample stack.

If you want to create your own HTML and plain text versions of the e-mail body, you can still use that sample stack.  Simply replace the following line:

put mimeEncodeFieldAsMIMEMultipartDocument(the long id of field "email_message") into tBody

With something like this:

put “Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8” & crlf into tHeadersPlain
put “Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable” after tHeadersPlain
put “<Plain Text Version Here>” into tBodyPlain
put tHeadersPlain & crlf & crlf & \
mimeEncodeForMIMETransfer(tBodyPlain, “quoted-printable”) into tContent[1]

put “Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8” & crlf into tHeadersHTML
put “Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable” after tHeadersHTML
put “<HTML Version Here>” into tBodyHTML
put tHeadersHTML & crlf & crlf & \
mimeEncodeForMIMETransfer(tBodyHTML, “quoted-printable”) into tContent[2]

put mimeEncodeAsMIMEMultipartDocument(tContent, “alernative”)

Hope that helps,

Regards,

Charles

> On 11 Aug 2022, at 3:46 pm, Charles Warwick <charles at techstrategies.com.au> wrote:
> 
> Hi Sean,
> 
> There is a sample stack on my website for sending an e-mail with an attachment using the MIME library here:
> 
> https://downloads.techstrategies.com.au/tsnet/smtpexample.livecode
> 
> Does that help at all,
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Charles
> 
>> On 11 Aug 2022, at 2:39 pm, Tom Glod via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Sean,
>> 
>> Try this ..
>> 
>> edit the script of stack "com.livecode.library.mime"
>> 
>> there seems to be some documentation there that may help.
>> 
>> I also found this
>> 
>> https://livecode.fandom.com/wiki/MimeEncodeAsMIMEMultipartDocument
>> 
>> Is that your comment? :)
>> 
>> Hope that helps a bit.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Wed, Aug 10, 2022 at 11:46 PM Sean Cole via use-livecode <
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>> I'm struggling with this still. It's been years (since before Dec 2020) and
>>> I just can't get my head around it.
>>> I have a template created in Dreamweaver that is a simple bit of HTML body
>>> with CSS styling embedded (https://pidigital.co.uk/DeepDiveReport.html).
>>> There is also a pdf that needs to be attached.
>>> How do I use MimeEncodeAsMIMEMultipartDocument to make it ready to send via
>>> tsNetSmtpSync?
>>> There are zero tutorials and the dictionary is devoid of any useful
>>> information on how to use it. Google turned up nothing. In my previous
>>> request back in 2020, Monte, the author of the MIME library, had only
>>> referred me on to the RSC docs for MIME which is like looking for a straw
>>> in a needle stack. When I asked at one of the 'Firesides' I was told just
>>> to use a template and send it. But to send it, it needs to be encoded and
>>> that's the bit that is undocumented anywhere.
>>> Any help appreciated.
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>> subscription preferences:
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From charles at techstrategies.com.au  Thu Aug 11 02:23:44 2022
From: charles at techstrategies.com.au (Charles Warwick)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 16:23:44 +1000
Subject: Email via IMAP with HTML body from a template
Message-ID: <946CE30C-C30E-41EB-B407-8A896FC9508D@techstrategies.com.au>

Sorry, the last line of the replacement code should have been:

put mimeEncodeAsMIMEMultipartDocument(tContent, “alernative”) into tBody

(It was missing the "into tBody" at the end of the line)

> On 11 Aug 2022, at 4:17 pm, Charles Warwick <charles at techstrategies.com.au> wrote:
> 
> Hi Sean,
> 
> After reading your second e-mail, I see that you don't want to use mimeEncodeFieldAsMIMEMultipartDocument to generate the HTML version of the e-mail body from a field as it does in that sample stack.
> 
> If you want to create your own HTML and plain text versions of the e-mail body, you can still use that sample stack.  Simply replace the following line:
> 
> put mimeEncodeFieldAsMIMEMultipartDocument(the long id of field "email_message") into tBody
> 
> With something like this:
> 
> put “Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8” & crlf into tHeadersPlain
> put “Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable” after tHeadersPlain
> put “<Plain Text Version Here>” into tBodyPlain
> put tHeadersPlain & crlf & crlf & \
> mimeEncodeForMIMETransfer(tBodyPlain, “quoted-printable”) into tContent[1]
> 
> put “Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8” & crlf into tHeadersHTML
> put “Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable” after tHeadersHTML
> put “<HTML Version Here>” into tBodyHTML
> put tHeadersHTML & crlf & crlf & \
> mimeEncodeForMIMETransfer(tBodyHTML, “quoted-printable”) into tContent[2]
> 
> put mimeEncodeAsMIMEMultipartDocument(tContent, “alernative”)
> 
> Hope that helps,
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Charles
> 
>> On 11 Aug 2022, at 3:46 pm, Charles Warwick <charles at techstrategies.com.au> wrote:
>> Hi Sean,
>> There is a sample stack on my website for sending an e-mail with an attachment using the MIME library here:
>> https://downloads.techstrategies.com.au/tsnet/smtpexample.livecode
>> Does that help at all,
>> Regards,
>> Charles
>>>> On 11 Aug 2022, at 2:39 pm, Tom Glod via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> Sean,
>>> Try this ..
>>> edit the script of stack "com.livecode.library.mime"
>>> there seems to be some documentation there that may help.
>>> I also found this
>>> https://livecode.fandom.com/wiki/MimeEncodeAsMIMEMultipartDocument
>>> Is that your comment? :)
>>> Hope that helps a bit.
>>>> On Wed, Aug 10, 2022 at 11:46 PM Sean Cole via use-livecode <
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> I'm struggling with this still. It's been years (since before Dec 2020) and
>>>> I just can't get my head around it.
>>>> I have a template created in Dreamweaver that is a simple bit of HTML body
>>>> with CSS styling embedded (https://pidigital.co.uk/DeepDiveReport.html).
>>>> There is also a pdf that needs to be attached.
>>>> How do I use MimeEncodeAsMIMEMultipartDocument to make it ready to send via
>>>> tsNetSmtpSync?
>>>> There are zero tutorials and the dictionary is devoid of any useful
>>>> information on how to use it. Google turned up nothing. In my previous
>>>> request back in 2020, Monte, the author of the MIME library, had only
>>>> referred me on to the RSC docs for MIME which is like looking for a straw
>>>> in a needle stack. When I asked at one of the 'Firesides' I was told just
>>>> to use a template and send it. But to send it, it needs to be encoded and
>>>> that's the bit that is undocumented anywhere.
>>>> Any help appreciated.
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>>> subscription preferences:
>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>> _______________________________________________
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From klaus at major-k.de  Thu Aug 11 06:08:28 2022
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 12:08:28 +0200
Subject: iPhone simulators
In-Reply-To: <07EC9DFE-FB02-457A-A79C-1AE689BEEBB3@major-k.de>
References: <700D60BB-911D-499B-8BD9-6BC7A7442A78@major-k.de>
 <CA+JfEq9Xm4Nwysjx5qVt-zmYG38dP=HROzamw+xKUCA-dLbCsw@mail.gmail.com>
 <AF909224-1952-46F7-A0EE-98AE7B3CEA9E@major-k.de>
 <18288c8cbc8.27a5.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <07EC9DFE-FB02-457A-A79C-1AE689BEEBB3@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <53B76442-2D0D-4D2E-B1CC-6F251935A242@major-k.de>

Hi all,

> Am 10.08.2022 um 19:30 schrieb Klaus major-k via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Hi Jaques,
> 
>> Am 10.08.2022 um 19:23 schrieb J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>> If I remember right you can have an iPhone and an iPad simulator open at the same time and choose between them, but if you want two of the same type then it doesn't work.
> yep, came to the same conclusion. A good candidate for an "enhancement request". :-)

and done: <https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23871>


Best

Klaus
--
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https://www.major-k.de
https://www.major-k.de/bass
klaus at major-k.de



From klaus at major-k.de  Thu Aug 11 06:30:11 2022
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 12:30:11 +0200
Subject: Fail to test new stack on Android device
Message-ID: <06D69988-8C8D-44AC-82A0-DAF8493878C4@major-k.de>

Hi all,

I just tested an older stack on my Android device, everything is fine.
Then I created a new stack for a little stack and always get this error
when selecting "Test" in the LC dev menu.
<https://www.dropbox.com/s/j89i1ewpxh5ixny/stream_install_failed.png?dl=0>

Only script in that stack:
------------------------
on preopenstack
   set the fullscreenmode of this stack to "showall"
end preopenstack

## And a button:
on mouseUp
  ## Need to know if that is returning anything or giving an error or whatever...
  answer iphonesafeareainsets()
end mouseUp
------------------------
If I switch back to the other stack, I can upload and test, but not with this new stack!?

Any hints? Thanks!


Best

Klaus

--
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https://www.major-k.de
https://www.major-k.de/bass
klaus at major-k.de



From klaus at major-k.de  Thu Aug 11 06:39:18 2022
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 12:39:18 +0200
Subject: Fail to test new stack on Android device
In-Reply-To: <06D69988-8C8D-44AC-82A0-DAF8493878C4@major-k.de>
References: <06D69988-8C8D-44AC-82A0-DAF8493878C4@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <40D487EA-018C-48DD-81CA-80E11EC12042@major-k.de>



> Am 11.08.2022 um 12:30 schrieb Klaus major-k via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I just tested an older stack on my Android device, everything is fine.
> Then I created a new stack for a little stack and always get this error
> when selecting "Test" in the LC dev menu.
> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/j89i1ewpxh5ixny/stream_install_failed.png?dl=0>
> 
> Only script in that stack:
> ------------------------
> on preopenstack
>   set the fullscreenmode of this stack to "showall"
> end preopenstack
> 
> ## And a button:
> on mouseUp
>  ## Need to know if that is returning anything or giving an error or whatever...
>  answer iphonesafeareainsets()
> end mouseUp
> ------------------------
> If I switch back to the other stack, I can upload and test, but not with this new stack!?
> 
> Any hints? Thanks!

of course everyting is set up correctly in the "Stanalone Application Settings"!

--
Klaus Major
https://www.major-k.de
https://www.major-k.de/bass
klaus at major-k.de



From brian at milby7.com  Thu Aug 11 07:30:45 2022
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 07:30:45 -0400
Subject: Fail to test new stack on Android device
In-Reply-To: <40D487EA-018C-48DD-81CA-80E11EC12042@major-k.de>
References: <40D487EA-018C-48DD-81CA-80E11EC12042@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <0346CE66-3B95-42C7-AE27-D0AE9E419855@milby7.com>

Change the app name or version string info.  You have an app with the same name and an earlier version already on the device.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 11, 2022, at 6:39 AM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> Am 11.08.2022 um 12:30 schrieb Klaus major-k via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I just tested an older stack on my Android device, everything is fine.
>> Then I created a new stack for a little stack and always get this error
>> when selecting "Test" in the LC dev menu.
>> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/j89i1ewpxh5ixny/stream_install_failed.png?dl=0>
>> 
>> Only script in that stack:
>> ------------------------
>> on preopenstack
>>  set the fullscreenmode of this stack to "showall"
>> end preopenstack
>> 
>> ## And a button:
>> on mouseUp
>> ## Need to know if that is returning anything or giving an error or whatever...
>> answer iphonesafeareainsets()
>> end mouseUp
>> ------------------------
>> If I switch back to the other stack, I can upload and test, but not with this new stack!?
>> 
>> Any hints? Thanks!
> 
> of course everyting is set up correctly in the "Stanalone Application Settings"!
> 
> --
> Klaus Major
> https://www.major-k.de
> https://www.major-k.de/bass
> klaus at major-k.de
> 
> 
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From klaus at major-k.de  Thu Aug 11 08:14:56 2022
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 14:14:56 +0200
Subject: Fail to test new stack on Android device
In-Reply-To: <0346CE66-3B95-42C7-AE27-D0AE9E419855@milby7.com>
References: <40D487EA-018C-48DD-81CA-80E11EC12042@major-k.de>
 <0346CE66-3B95-42C7-AE27-D0AE9E419855@milby7.com>
Message-ID: <7B6A1003-2782-41CA-B459-8522FCC32F92@major-k.de>

Hi Brian,

> Am 11.08.2022 um 13:30 schrieb Brian Milby via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Change the app name or version string info.  You have an app with the same name and an earlier version already on the device.

thanks, will try that!

> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 11, 2022, at 6:39 AM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> Am 11.08.2022 um 12:30 schrieb Klaus major-k via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I just tested an older stack on my Android device, everything is fine.
>>> Then I created a new stack for a little stack and always get this error
>>> when selecting "Test" in the LC dev menu.
>>> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/j89i1ewpxh5ixny/stream_install_failed.png?dl=0>
>>> ...

Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
https://www.major-k.de
https://www.major-k.de/bass
klaus at major-k.de



From klaus at major-k.de  Thu Aug 11 08:44:31 2022
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 14:44:31 +0200
Subject: iPhoneSafeAreaInsets() and Android
In-Reply-To: <B5C48FAE-3E91-45A6-8156-81B19F4A8395@major-k.de>
References: <B5C48FAE-3E91-45A6-8156-81B19F4A8395@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <B3E98114-D658-41ED-82BA-97022DFF83B6@major-k.de>

Hi all,

> Am 15.07.2022 um 13:14 schrieb Klaus major-k via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Hi friends,
> 
> quick question, cannot test it myself in the moment.
> 
> Will -> iPhoneSafeAreaInsets() 
> a. work or 
> b. throw an error when being used on Android?
> 
> If a. I presume it will return "the screenrect" without any "notches".
> Does it?
> 
> If b. then I will to check "if the platform = "iphone"..."
> 
> Thanks for any quick answer!

FYI, iPhoneSafeAreaInsets() returns EMPTY on Android.
Will file an enhancement request that is will return at least the screenrect on Android,
so there is no need for a PLATFORM check. 

We already need too much of them. 8-)


Best

Klaus

--
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https://www.major-k.de
https://www.major-k.de/bass
klaus at major-k.de



From klaus at major-k.de  Thu Aug 11 08:48:34 2022
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 14:48:34 +0200
Subject: iPhoneSafeAreaInsets() and Android
In-Reply-To: <B3E98114-D658-41ED-82BA-97022DFF83B6@major-k.de>
References: <B5C48FAE-3E91-45A6-8156-81B19F4A8395@major-k.de>
 <B3E98114-D658-41ED-82BA-97022DFF83B6@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <990DA21D-3D55-4BF4-9D9E-3059695FBBC6@major-k.de>

Hi all,

> Am 11.08.2022 um 14:44 schrieb Klaus major-k via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> Hi all,
>> Am 15.07.2022 um 13:14 schrieb Klaus major-k via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>> Hi friends,
>> quick question, cannot test it myself in the moment.
>> Will -> iPhoneSafeAreaInsets() 
>> a. work or 
>> b. throw an error when being used on Android?
>> If a. I presume it will return "the screenrect" without any "notches".
>> Does it?
>> If b. then I will to check "if the platform = "iphone"..."
>> Thanks for any quick answer!
> FYI, iPhoneSafeAreaInsets() returns EMPTY on Android.
> Will file an enhancement request that is will return at least the screenrect on Android,
> so there is no need for a PLATFORM check. 

and done: <https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23872>


Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
https://www.major-k.de
https://www.major-k.de/bass
klaus at major-k.de



From tom at makeshyft.com  Thu Aug 11 11:16:58 2022
From: tom at makeshyft.com (Tom Glod)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 11:16:58 -0400
Subject: Livecode SQLite
Message-ID: <CAPzQJL+u4Ct1sMqZ0Qrb77g4PsY8EfzLzy_vt8fHxhcHdWkQ4g@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Folks,

I have a question about Livecode's SQLite implementation.

Looking at the official SQLite specs there seem to be json related
functions.

https://www.sqlite.org/json1.html

but none of them seem to work using Livecode's driver.
I was under the impression we had a full implementation

I was interested in implementing a relatively new feature where you can
index and query json documents and read the keys directly.

https://dgl.cx/2020/06/sqlite-json-support

I guess, if this is true, is there any documentation about which features
of sqlite are implemented and which are not?

TIA,
-- 
Tom Glod

From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Aug 11 11:27:21 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 15:27:21 +0000
Subject: iPhoneSafeAreaInsets() and Android
In-Reply-To: <B3E98114-D658-41ED-82BA-97022DFF83B6@major-k.de>
References: <B5C48FAE-3E91-45A6-8156-81B19F4A8395@major-k.de>
 <B3E98114-D658-41ED-82BA-97022DFF83B6@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <83E72EFC-F56E-4464-95C7-2B8C030383AB@iotecdigital.com>

It seems to me, someone who has done zero mobile development, that this function has no meaning on an android, and should therefore return empty to avoid unanticipated runtime errors. 

There should be however a function to get the screen rects of an android. Does the effective working screenrect do it for you? 

I see that your goal is to try and avoid platform checks, but iOS and Android seem to be such diverse OS platforms that checks are unavoidable. There are a TON of commands and functions beginning with iPhone. I stopped counting at 30 and I wasn't half way through. If all of these functions are to equivalent values for the Android OS, we'd be waiting 5 years for the enhancements. 

Just my ignorant 2¢

Bob S


> On Aug 11, 2022, at 05:44 , Klaus major-k via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> iPhoneSafeAreaInsets() returns EMPTY on Android


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Aug 11 11:32:10 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 15:32:10 +0000
Subject: Email via IMAP with HTML body from a template
In-Reply-To: <946CE30C-C30E-41EB-B407-8A896FC9508D@techstrategies.com.au>
References: <946CE30C-C30E-41EB-B407-8A896FC9508D@techstrategies.com.au>
Message-ID: <C191B734-9AF3-4DB9-9D68-7E7AB3B9B18B@iotecdigital.com>

I have to say, I've learned more about programming just from being a member of this list, than any book on the suject. Admittedly, I've read very few, as is manifestly evident when going back and re-reading my code. :-)

Bob S


> On Aug 10, 2022, at 23:23 , Charles Warwick via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Sorry, the last line of the replacement code should have been:
> 
> put mimeEncodeAsMIMEMultipartDocument(tContent, “alernative”) into tBody
> 
> (It was missing the "into tBody" at the end of the line)
> 
>> On 11 Aug 2022, at 4:17 pm, Charles Warwick <charles at techstrategies.com.au> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Sean,
>> 
>> After reading your second e-mail, I see that you don't want to use mimeEncodeFieldAsMIMEMultipartDocument to generate the HTML version of the e-mail body from a field as it does in that sample stack.
>> 
>> If you want to create your own HTML and plain text versions of the e-mail body, you can still use that sample stack.  Simply replace the following line:
>> 
>> put mimeEncodeFieldAsMIMEMultipartDocument(the long id of field "email_message") into tBody
>> 
>> With something like this:
>> 
>> put “Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8” & crlf into tHeadersPlain
>> put “Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable” after tHeadersPlain
>> put “<Plain Text Version Here>” into tBodyPlain
>> put tHeadersPlain & crlf & crlf & \
>> mimeEncodeForMIMETransfer(tBodyPlain, “quoted-printable”) into tContent[1]
>> 
>> put “Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8” & crlf into tHeadersHTML
>> put “Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable” after tHeadersHTML
>> put “<HTML Version Here>” into tBodyHTML
>> put tHeadersHTML & crlf & crlf & \
>> mimeEncodeForMIMETransfer(tBodyHTML, “quoted-printable”) into tContent[2]
>> 
>> put mimeEncodeAsMIMEMultipartDocument(tContent, “alernative”)
>> 
>> Hope that helps,
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Charles
>> 
>>> On 11 Aug 2022, at 3:46 pm, Charles Warwick <charles at techstrategies.com.au> wrote:
>>> Hi Sean,
>>> There is a sample stack on my website for sending an e-mail with an attachment using the MIME library here:
>>> https://downloads.techstrategies.com.au/tsnet/smtpexample.livecode
>>> Does that help at all,
>>> Regards,
>>> Charles
>>>>> On 11 Aug 2022, at 2:39 pm, Tom Glod via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> Sean,
>>>> Try this ..
>>>> edit the script of stack "com.livecode.library.mime"
>>>> there seems to be some documentation there that may help.
>>>> I also found this
>>>> https://livecode.fandom.com/wiki/MimeEncodeAsMIMEMultipartDocument
>>>> Is that your comment? :)
>>>> Hope that helps a bit.
>>>>> On Wed, Aug 10, 2022 at 11:46 PM Sean Cole via use-livecode <
>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> I'm struggling with this still. It's been years (since before Dec 2020) and
>>>>> I just can't get my head around it.
>>>>> I have a template created in Dreamweaver that is a simple bit of HTML body
>>>>> with CSS styling embedded (https://pidigital.co.uk/DeepDiveReport.html).
>>>>> There is also a pdf that needs to be attached.
>>>>> How do I use MimeEncodeAsMIMEMultipartDocument to make it ready to send via
>>>>> tsNetSmtpSync?
>>>>> There are zero tutorials and the dictionary is devoid of any useful
>>>>> information on how to use it. Google turned up nothing. In my previous
>>>>> request back in 2020, Monte, the author of the MIME library, had only
>>>>> referred me on to the RSC docs for MIME which is like looking for a straw
>>>>> in a needle stack. When I asked at one of the 'Firesides' I was told just
>>>>> to use a template and send it. But to send it, it needs to be encoded and
>>>>> that's the bit that is undocumented anywhere.
>>>>> Any help appreciated.
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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From klaus at major-k.de  Thu Aug 11 11:35:45 2022
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 17:35:45 +0200
Subject: iPhoneSafeAreaInsets() and Android
In-Reply-To: <83E72EFC-F56E-4464-95C7-2B8C030383AB@iotecdigital.com>
References: <B5C48FAE-3E91-45A6-8156-81B19F4A8395@major-k.de>
 <B3E98114-D658-41ED-82BA-97022DFF83B6@major-k.de>
 <83E72EFC-F56E-4464-95C7-2B8C030383AB@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <4D3B1C7A-D04A-4B0D-A6A1-BD071899EBA8@major-k.de>

Hi Bob,

> Am 11.08.2022 um 17:27 schrieb Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> It seems to me, someone who has done zero mobile development, that this function has no meaning on an android, and should therefore return empty to avoid unanticipated runtime errors. There should be however a function to get the screen rects of an android. Does the effective working screenrect do it for you? 

Sure, but that is not the problem.

> I see that your goal is to try and avoid platform checks,

Yep, that is the goal, lazy moi! :-)

> but iOS and Android seem to be such diverse OS platforms that checks are unavoidable. There are a TON of commands and functions beginning with iPhone.

Yes, and I still naively think that the IDE should just ignore these, so "if the platform = "mobile..." would not be neccessary anymore. 8-)

> I stopped counting at 30 and I wasn't half way through. If all of these functions are to equivalent values for the Android OS, we'd be waiting 5 years for the enhancements. 
> Just my ignorant 2¢
> 
> Bob S
> 
> iPhoneSafeAreaInsets() returns EMPTY on Android

Best

Klaus
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From sean at pidigital.co.uk  Thu Aug 11 11:36:56 2022
From: sean at pidigital.co.uk (Pi Digital)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 16:36:56 +0100
Subject: Livecode SQLite
In-Reply-To: <CAPzQJL+u4Ct1sMqZ0Qrb77g4PsY8EfzLzy_vt8fHxhcHdWkQ4g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPzQJL+u4Ct1sMqZ0Qrb77g4PsY8EfzLzy_vt8fHxhcHdWkQ4g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1EEF82C3-B260-476E-9D16-57840C5B0AE3@pidigital.co.uk>

How was you accessing the database? Is it locally based? 

The ones I access are stored on a web host server with a cPanel. I have my own php I POST my sql request to and receive JSON back. I then use JSONtoArray or, recommended, JsonImport encapsulated in a ‘try’ structure to convert the data. 

To tell the database to respond with json is not done at the LC end but must either be set up in the DB itself or, as in my case, whatever is the medium for the data, PHP for me. 

Sean Cole
Pi Digital Productions Ltd

eMail Ts & Cs


> On 11 Aug 2022, at 16:16, Tom Glod via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Folks,
> 
> I have a question about Livecode's SQLite implementation.
> 
> Looking at the official SQLite specs there seem to be json related
> functions.
> 
> https://www.sqlite.org/json1.html
> 
> but none of them seem to work using Livecode's driver.
> I was under the impression we had a full implementation
> 
> I was interested in implementing a relatively new feature where you can
> index and query json documents and read the keys directly.
> 
> https://dgl.cx/2020/06/sqlite-json-support
> 
> I guess, if this is true, is there any documentation about which features
> of sqlite are implemented and which are not?
> 
> TIA,
> -- 
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From sean at pidigital.co.uk  Thu Aug 11 11:38:36 2022
From: sean at pidigital.co.uk (Pi Digital)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 16:38:36 +0100
Subject: Email via IMAP with HTML body from a template
In-Reply-To: <946CE30C-C30E-41EB-B407-8A896FC9508D@techstrategies.com.au>
References: <946CE30C-C30E-41EB-B407-8A896FC9508D@techstrategies.com.au>
Message-ID: <26CAE311-2EED-4580-9E55-F42F491E51AE@pidigital.co.uk>

Thanks Charles

I think that’s going to work. I’m going to do some testing and let you know how I get on. 

Sean

> On 11 Aug 2022, at 07:23, Charles Warwick via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Sorry, the last line of the replacement code should have been:
> 
> put mimeEncodeAsMIMEMultipartDocument(tContent, “alernative”) into tBody
> 
> (It was missing the "into tBody" at the end of the line)
> 
>> On 11 Aug 2022, at 4:17 pm, Charles Warwick <charles at techstrategies.com.au> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Sean,
>> 
>> After reading your second e-mail, I see that you don't want to use mimeEncodeFieldAsMIMEMultipartDocument to generate the HTML version of the e-mail body from a field as it does in that sample stack.
>> 
>> If you want to create your own HTML and plain text versions of the e-mail body, you can still use that sample stack.  Simply replace the following line:
>> 
>> put mimeEncodeFieldAsMIMEMultipartDocument(the long id of field "email_message") into tBody
>> 
>> With something like this:
>> 
>> put “Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8” & crlf into tHeadersPlain
>> put “Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable” after tHeadersPlain
>> put “<Plain Text Version Here>” into tBodyPlain
>> put tHeadersPlain & crlf & crlf & \
>> mimeEncodeForMIMETransfer(tBodyPlain, “quoted-printable”) into tContent[1]
>> 
>> put “Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8” & crlf into tHeadersHTML
>> put “Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable” after tHeadersHTML
>> put “<HTML Version Here>” into tBodyHTML
>> put tHeadersHTML & crlf & crlf & \
>> mimeEncodeForMIMETransfer(tBodyHTML, “quoted-printable”) into tContent[2]
>> 
>> put mimeEncodeAsMIMEMultipartDocument(tContent, “alernative”)
>> 
>> Hope that helps,
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Charles
>> 
>>>> On 11 Aug 2022, at 3:46 pm, Charles Warwick <charles at techstrategies.com.au> wrote:
>>> Hi Sean,
>>> There is a sample stack on my website for sending an e-mail with an attachment using the MIME library here:
>>> https://downloads.techstrategies.com.au/tsnet/smtpexample.livecode
>>> Does that help at all,
>>> Regards,
>>> Charles
>>>>> On 11 Aug 2022, at 2:39 pm, Tom Glod via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> Sean,
>>>> Try this ..
>>>> edit the script of stack "com.livecode.library.mime"
>>>> there seems to be some documentation there that may help.
>>>> I also found this
>>>> https://livecode.fandom.com/wiki/MimeEncodeAsMIMEMultipartDocument
>>>> Is that your comment? :)
>>>> Hope that helps a bit.
>>>>> On Wed, Aug 10, 2022 at 11:46 PM Sean Cole via use-livecode <
>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> I'm struggling with this still. It's been years (since before Dec 2020) and
>>>>> I just can't get my head around it.
>>>>> I have a template created in Dreamweaver that is a simple bit of HTML body
>>>>> with CSS styling embedded (https://pidigital.co.uk/DeepDiveReport.html).
>>>>> There is also a pdf that needs to be attached.
>>>>> How do I use MimeEncodeAsMIMEMultipartDocument to make it ready to send via
>>>>> tsNetSmtpSync?
>>>>> There are zero tutorials and the dictionary is devoid of any useful
>>>>> information on how to use it. Google turned up nothing. In my previous
>>>>> request back in 2020, Monte, the author of the MIME library, had only
>>>>> referred me on to the RSC docs for MIME which is like looking for a straw
>>>>> in a needle stack. When I asked at one of the 'Firesides' I was told just
>>>>> to use a template and send it. But to send it, it needs to be encoded and
>>>>> that's the bit that is undocumented anywhere.
>>>>> Any help appreciated.
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>>>> subscription preferences:
>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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From paul at researchware.com  Thu Aug 11 11:57:05 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 11:57:05 -0400
Subject: Datagrid internal error
In-Reply-To: <CAHg3tG9MWSvRO1ZdSk-R_4gYL+XyX2T34chW1y-KARxEkDccUQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2981919d-4756-8d31-0a95-d28fdca6b445@researchware.com>
 <60e95862-61d7-4a07-2423-b77b10afc68f@researchware.com>
 <005401d8ab4d$bbd48c10$337da430$@net>
 <CAHg3tG9MWSvRO1ZdSk-R_4gYL+XyX2T34chW1y-KARxEkDccUQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5bbd8550-1ec3-9706-d6a8-38c7e0baf060@researchware.com>

On 8/10/2022 5:02 PM, Trevor DeVore via use-livecode wrote:
> 32,767 is the max for width as well. If there are enough columns it is
> possible that the DataGrid is rendering a group that exceeds this limit and
> hence the error. The DataGrid works around the limit when rendering rows,
> but not when rendering columns.
>
> I suppose a quick test would be to create a DataGrid with 330 columns that
> are at least 100 pixels wide and see if you get the same error.
>

So I created 2 test stacks with a Datagrid and a button to set the 
number of columns and populate a row of data. One stack I did in 
Livecode 4.6.4 (the oldest I have) and one I built in Livecode 9.6.8 to 
see if there were differences in the handling of the error condition 
between versions of the Datagrid object.

[Note: Some of the Datagrids in our app are from LC 4.6.4 and we've 
never removed them and replaced them with newer versions and I don't 
believe Livecode does anything to automatically update the Datagrid 
objects in an old stack when opened in a new version of Livecode]

Under LC464, trying to create a number of columns with default widths 
that would exceed the 32,767 pixel width limit of the group object 
(using 330 columns with a default width of 100px or 33,000 pixels) produces:

1) A blank header (no columns)
2) Visible column for data, where only the visible columns of the first 
row (8 columns) are populated with data and when you scroll to the 
right, all remaining column of the 1st row of data are empty. The grid 
is scrollable horizontally to what looks to be around 320-330 columns.

Using 320 columns, works as expected. 325 works; 327 works. 328 only 
produces 327 columns in the header with 327 values for data in the first 
row. 329 produces a header with 329 columns and no data is rendered in 
the 1st row.

Under LC968, the LC968 test version of this with 330 columns produces:

1) Columns headers 1 to 8 (the header that are the visible width of the 
Datagrid)
2) No data is rendered and the grid is not scrollable.

Using 320 columns, works as expected. 325 works. 327 works. 328 produces 
327 columns in the header and no data in the first row. 329 is the same 
as 330 (only 8 visible column headers and no data and no scrolling).

So, the results are subtly different from Datagrids from LC4.6.4 and 
Datagrids from LC9.6.8, but both fail to do what a user would expect 
without any visible errors.

However, having the number of columns exceed the width of a Livecode 
group object in pixels does not seem to be the source of the error I am 
trying to track down which was:

Line 139 set the dgProp["columns"] of grp "rwMatrixObj_DataGrid" to 
tColumnNames

tColumnNames is a variable containing a list of text lines that are 
customer entered column names, so they could be ANYTHING (up to 255 
chars, no control characters, including DEL (127)) that a user could 
type or paste into a field, including words in any language using Unicode.

As the executionContexts data does not contain the actual values of the 
variable tColumnNames when the error occurs AND (for reasons) I can not 
get the data from the customer, does ANYONE have any idea what 
tColumnNames might contain that could produce the error(s) show below?

Technical information:
Property: value is not a number: (Line 11, column 1)
Object: can't set object property: (Line 11, column 5)
set: can't set property: (Line 11, column 1)
Handler: error in statement: LayoutControl (Line 11, column 1)
Object ID: stack "RevDataGridLibraryBehaviorsDefaultHeaderButtonBehavior"
-
repeat: error in statement: (Line 5066, column 1)
Handler: error in statement: _table.ResizeHeaders (Line 5052, column 1)
Object ID: stack "RevDataGridLibraryBehaviorsDataGridButtonBehavior"
-
Handler: error in statement: _table.ResizeColumns (Line 4967, column 1)
Object ID: stack "RevDataGridLibraryBehaviorsDataGridButtonBehavior"
-
Handler: error in statement: _table.CreateColumns (Line 4737, column 1)
Object ID: stack "RevDataGridLibraryBehaviorsDataGridButtonBehavior"
-
Handler: error in statement: _table.RegenerateColumns (Line 4538, column 1)
Object ID: stack "RevDataGridLibraryBehaviorsDataGridButtonBehavior"
-
switch: error in statement: (Line 6150, column 1)
Handler: error in statement: dgProps (Line 5553, column 1)
Object ID: stack "RevDataGridLibraryBehaviorsDataGridButtonBehavior"
-
set: can't set property: (Line 5529, column 1)
Handler: error in statement: dgProp (Line 5529, column 1)
Object ID: stack "RevDataGridLibraryBehaviorsDataGridButtonBehavior"
-
set: can't set property: (Line 139, column 1)
if-then: error in statement: (Line 139, column 1)
Handler: error in statement: populateMe (Line 138, column 1)
Object: group "Table" of card "FrequencyReport" of stack "FreqReport.rwtl"
Object ID: group id 1162 of card id 1002 of stack 
"/Applications/HyperRESEARCH 4.5.4/Components/Tools/FreqReport.rwtl"


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Aug 11 12:22:53 2022
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 11:22:53 -0500
Subject: iPhoneSafeAreaInsets() and Android
In-Reply-To: <83E72EFC-F56E-4464-95C7-2B8C030383AB@iotecdigital.com>
References: <B5C48FAE-3E91-45A6-8156-81B19F4A8395@major-k.de>
 <B3E98114-D658-41ED-82BA-97022DFF83B6@major-k.de>
 <83E72EFC-F56E-4464-95C7-2B8C030383AB@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <1828db73f48.27a5.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>

Actually some Android phones have notches to imitate iPhones when Apple 
first introduced that. It wasn't very popular and most Android phones now 
use punch holes, but those also take up a bit of space, though not much.

--
Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
On August 11, 2022 10:29:29 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> It seems to me, someone who has done zero mobile development, that this 
> function has no meaning on an android, and should therefore return empty to 
> avoid unanticipated runtime errors.
>
> There should be however a function to get the screen rects of an android. 
> Does the effective working screenrect do it for you?
>
> I see that your goal is to try and avoid platform checks, but iOS and 
> Android seem to be such diverse OS platforms that checks are unavoidable. 
> There are a TON of commands and functions beginning with iPhone. I stopped 
> counting at 30 and I wasn't half way through. If all of these functions are 
> to equivalent values for the Android OS, we'd be waiting 5 years for the 
> enhancements.
>
> Just my ignorant 2
>
> Bob S
>
>
>> On Aug 11, 2022, at 05:44 , Klaus major-k via use-livecode 
>> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> iPhoneSafeAreaInsets() returns EMPTY on Android
>
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From paul at researchware.com  Thu Aug 11 12:23:48 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 12:23:48 -0400
Subject: Datagrid and new Summer Bundle table/grid widgets
Message-ID: <0e08a5fa-d55b-15cd-d576-9654ddc9119c@researchware.com>

To anyone with the Summer Bundle:

The Datagrid object has a practical limit on the number of columns that 
I just reported as https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23875
(about 327 columns at a default column width of 100px due to the Group 
objects 32767px width limit)

Do any of the table/grid widgets in the Summer Bundle allow going beyond 
this limit? Could someone with a Summer Bundle please test the 
table/grid widgets. I have included the script I populate the column 
names and a first row of data in a Datagrid with below. I'd just like to 
know whether any of the new table widgets can exceed thsi Datagrid 
limit. Thank you to anyone who can spare the time to test in advance.

on mouseUp pMouseButton
   local tColumnNames, tArray
   ask "Number of columns?"
   if it is empty then exit mouseUp
   --
   repeat with i=1 to it
     set cursor to busy
     put "Column"&&i into tColumnName
     put tColumnName into line i of tColumnNames
     put i into tArray[1][tColumnName]
   end repeat
   --
   set cursor to watch
   set the dgData of group "Table" to tArray -- replace this line and 
the nest with code for the new widget
   set the dgProp["columns"] of group "Table" to tColumnNames
   beep 3
end mouseUp


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Aug 11 12:42:44 2022
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 11:42:44 -0500
Subject: Fail to test new stack on Android device
In-Reply-To: <06D69988-8C8D-44AC-82A0-DAF8493878C4@major-k.de>
References: <06D69988-8C8D-44AC-82A0-DAF8493878C4@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <1828dc96ba0.27a5.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>

Brian was right, but it's the build number that matters rather than the 
version number. You can either increase it, or delete the existing app on 
the phone before installing the other one.

--
Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
On August 11, 2022 5:31:36 AM Klaus major-k via use-livecode 
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I just tested an older stack on my Android device, everything is fine.
> Then I created a new stack for a little stack and always get this error
> when selecting "Test" in the LC dev menu.
> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/j89i1ewpxh5ixny/stream_install_failed.png?dl=0>
>
> Only script in that stack:
> ------------------------
> on preopenstack
>   set the fullscreenmode of this stack to "showall"
> end preopenstack
>
> ## And a button:
> on mouseUp
>  ## Need to know if that is returning anything or giving an error or whatever...
>  answer iphonesafeareainsets()
> end mouseUp
> ------------------------
> If I switch back to the other stack, I can upload and test, but not with 
> this new stack!?
>
> Any hints? Thanks!
>
>
> Best
>
> Klaus
>
> --
> Klaus Major
> https://www.major-k.de
> https://www.major-k.de/bass
> klaus at major-k.de
>
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From klaus at major-k.de  Thu Aug 11 12:45:14 2022
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 18:45:14 +0200
Subject: Fail to test new stack on Android device
In-Reply-To: <1828dc96ba0.27a5.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <06D69988-8C8D-44AC-82A0-DAF8493878C4@major-k.de>
 <1828dc96ba0.27a5.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <6B884484-6AF5-4185-B0EB-7B4F2EB388F2@major-k.de>

Hi Jaques and Brian,

> Am 11.08.2022 um 18:42 schrieb J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Brian was right, but it's the build number that matters rather than the version number. You can either increase it, or delete the existing app on the phone before installing the other one.

yep, that worked!
Always forget about this when I just want to do a quick test. 8-)

> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> On August 11, 2022 5:31:36 AM Klaus major-k via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I just tested an older stack on my Android device, everything is fine.
>> Then I created a new stack for a little stack and always get this error
>> when selecting "Test" in the LC dev menu.
>> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/j89i1ewpxh5ixny/stream_install_failed.png?dl=0>
>> 
>> Only script in that stack:
>> ------------------------
>> on preopenstack
>>  set the fullscreenmode of this stack to "showall"
>> end preopenstack
>> 
>> ## And a button:
>> on mouseUp
>> ## Need to know if that is returning anything or giving an error or whatever...
>> answer iphonesafeareainsets()
>> end mouseUp
>> ------------------------
>> If I switch back to the other stack, I can upload and test, but not with this new stack!?
>> 
>> Any hints? Thanks!

Best

Klaus

--
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https://www.major-k.de
https://www.major-k.de/bass
klaus at major-k.de



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Aug 11 14:13:54 2022
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 13:13:54 -0500
Subject: iPhoneSafeAreaInsets() and Android
In-Reply-To: <B3E98114-D658-41ED-82BA-97022DFF83B6@major-k.de>
References: <B5C48FAE-3E91-45A6-8156-81B19F4A8395@major-k.de>
 <B3E98114-D658-41ED-82BA-97022DFF83B6@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <645efb9c-e58f-0197-60b6-345314c7622d@hyperactivesw.com>

On 8/11/22 7:44 AM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote:
> FYI, iPhoneSafeAreaInsets() returns EMPTY on Android.

It looks like it's for iOS only, Android isn't listed in the dictionary reference. You'll 
probably need to use the working screenrect on Android.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From klaus at major-k.de  Thu Aug 11 14:17:26 2022
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 20:17:26 +0200
Subject: iPhoneSafeAreaInsets() and Android
In-Reply-To: <645efb9c-e58f-0197-60b6-345314c7622d@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <B5C48FAE-3E91-45A6-8156-81B19F4A8395@major-k.de>
 <B3E98114-D658-41ED-82BA-97022DFF83B6@major-k.de>
 <645efb9c-e58f-0197-60b6-345314c7622d@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <7217078D-859C-443D-AF90-1D189299CD37@major-k.de>

Hi Jaques,

> Am 11.08.2022 um 20:13 schrieb J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> On 8/11/22 7:44 AM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote:
>> FYI, iPhoneSafeAreaInsets() returns EMPTY on Android.
> 
> It looks like it's for iOS only, Android isn't listed in the dictionary reference. You'll probably need to use the working screenrect on Android.

yes, I just wanted to see if it will throw an error on Android.
It doesn't. :-)

> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com

Best

Klaus

--
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https://www.major-k.de/bass
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From tom at makeshyft.com  Thu Aug 11 17:30:43 2022
From: tom at makeshyft.com (Tom Glod)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 17:30:43 -0400
Subject: Livecode SQLite
In-Reply-To: <1EEF82C3-B260-476E-9D16-57840C5B0AE3@pidigital.co.uk>
References: <CAPzQJL+u4Ct1sMqZ0Qrb77g4PsY8EfzLzy_vt8fHxhcHdWkQ4g@mail.gmail.com>
 <1EEF82C3-B260-476E-9D16-57840C5B0AE3@pidigital.co.uk>
Message-ID: <CAPzQJL+zO=rs53AjUeWcULWKWSku7PY++bYywXNDed+ftETaOQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Sean,

The SQLite db i want to read json fields from is local.  I know there are
lots of workarounds.

But in link I provided, the premise was using sqlite function to index and
read a jason document's field.

like so:

sqlite> insert into t values(json('{"d":"42"}'));
sqlite> select * from t WHERE d = 42;
{"d":"42"}|42

Thanks Sean, I'm happy you found the help you needed with your email
problem.

On Thu, Aug 11, 2022 at 11:37 AM Pi Digital via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> How was you accessing the database? Is it locally based?
>
> The ones I access are stored on a web host server with a cPanel. I have my
> own php I POST my sql request to and receive JSON back. I then use
> JSONtoArray or, recommended, JsonImport encapsulated in a ‘try’ structure
> to convert the data.
>
> To tell the database to respond with json is not done at the LC end but
> must either be set up in the DB itself or, as in my case, whatever is the
> medium for the data, PHP for me.
>
> Sean Cole
> Pi Digital Productions Ltd
>
> eMail Ts & Cs
>
>
> > On 11 Aug 2022, at 16:16, Tom Glod via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Folks,
> >
> > I have a question about Livecode's SQLite implementation.
> >
> > Looking at the official SQLite specs there seem to be json related
> > functions.
> >
> > https://www.sqlite.org/json1.html
> >
> > but none of them seem to work using Livecode's driver.
> > I was under the impression we had a full implementation
> >
> > I was interested in implementing a relatively new feature where you can
> > index and query json documents and read the keys directly.
> >
> > https://dgl.cx/2020/06/sqlite-json-support
> >
> > I guess, if this is true, is there any documentation about which features
> > of sqlite are implemented and which are not?
> >
> > TIA,
> > --
> > Tom Glod
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From dan at clearvisiontech.com  Thu Aug 11 19:27:52 2022
From: dan at clearvisiontech.com (Dan Friedman)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 23:27:52 +0000
Subject: mobileControl placeholderText?
Message-ID: <4CD9D73F-02F7-44BC-BF7F-E71980DBBFB1@clearvisiontech.com>

Is there a method to add placeholderText to a native mobile control field?   So, if the fields' text is empty, it will show a string in gray.   Like a Password field that when empty displays "Enter password here".

Dan


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Aug 11 19:42:02 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 23:42:02 +0000
Subject: mobileControl placeholderText?
In-Reply-To: <4CD9D73F-02F7-44BC-BF7F-E71980DBBFB1@clearvisiontech.com>
References: <4CD9D73F-02F7-44BC-BF7F-E71980DBBFB1@clearvisiontech.com>
Message-ID: <E259CCF4-72D7-4B50-B4FC-1FE84A8E18B2@iotecdigital.com>

I see a similar thing when I have a pulldown menu without a label. It will display the menu button name by default. 

What I will do then is set the label to some prompt or else a space. It's pretty annoying to have to do that though. 

Bob S


> On Aug 11, 2022, at 16:27 , Dan Friedman via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Is there a method to add placeholderText to a native mobile control field?   So, if the fields' text is empty, it will show a string in gray.   Like a Password field that when empty displays "Enter password here".
> 
> Dan



From phil at pdslabs.net  Thu Aug 11 21:35:18 2022
From: phil at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 18:35:18 -0700
Subject: Images and arrays...
In-Reply-To: <ea9b3564-6af6-1f28-9a66-5eadad3b91ec@researchware.com>
References: <ea9b3564-6af6-1f28-9a66-5eadad3b91ec@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <a6f4cb5c-d5cc-a0d1-3c01-0d951a80b1c8@pdslabs.net>

Hi Paul, sorry I'm so late to the party.

I think the best you can do is to capture & then reuse all the 
properties of the target image.

I created a stack and imported an image. Then I ran this button script 
to make an exact replica of image 1. It worked:

    on mouseUp
         put the properties of img 1 into tPropsA -- could be saved for
    later use
         lock screen
         create image
         set the properties of img 2 to tPropsA
         set the left of img 2 to the right of img 1 + 30
         unlock screen
    end mouseUp

Hope this helps -
Phil Davis



On 7/5/22 2:20 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
> I am drawing a blank:
>
> If I have the following code:
>
>                   export snapshot from rect tRect of player 
> "mediaConvert" of stack "libHrAPI" to tImage as PNG
>                   put tImage into pRefArray[tRef]
>
> The actual image (not a reference, such as a long ID) is placed in the 
> tRefArray[tRef] array element
>
> However, if I have a variable tImageID that contains a reference to an 
> image such as
>
> image id 10328 of card id 10001 of stack "X"
>
> How do I get that actual Image stored in the array?
>
> put tImageID into pRefArray[tRef] -- results in the array element 
> storing the long ID
>
> put (tImageID) into pRefArray[tRef] -- also results in the array 
> element storing the long ID. I thought the () might for the long ID to 
> be evaluated to an actual image
>
>
>
>
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From mark at livecode.com  Fri Aug 12 00:56:51 2022
From: mark at livecode.com (Mark Waddingham)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2022 05:56:51 +0100
Subject: Livecode SQLite
In-Reply-To: <CAPzQJL+u4Ct1sMqZ0Qrb77g4PsY8EfzLzy_vt8fHxhcHdWkQ4g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPzQJL+u4Ct1sMqZ0Qrb77g4PsY8EfzLzy_vt8fHxhcHdWkQ4g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <fd399822a5fdad9e930b14a62ac12b92@livecode.com>

On 2022-08-11 16:16, Tom Glod via use-livecode wrote:
> I was interested in implementing a relatively new feature where you can
> index and query json documents and read the keys directly.
> 
> https://dgl.cx/2020/06/sqlite-json-support
> 
> I guess, if this is true, is there any documentation about which 
> features
> of sqlite are implemented and which are not?

The version of SQLite is currently 3.34 built with FTS3, 
FTS3_PARANTHESIS, FTS4, FTS5, RTREE and JSON1 options.

So the JSON features (at least as far as those included in 3.34) should 
be included - perhaps the queries you are trying rely on features 
(perhaps not JSON related) included in more recent versions?

If you file a bug report with what examples of what isn't working, then 
we'll look into updating to the latest version of the library.

Warmest Regards,

Mark.

-- 
Mark Waddingham ~ mark at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
LiveCode: Everyone can create apps


From selander at tkf.att.ne.jp  Fri Aug 12 07:27:46 2022
From: selander at tkf.att.ne.jp (Tim Selander)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2022 20:27:46 +0900
Subject: Server globals
Message-ID: <fdf1b73b-4f0e-7219-f1a6-95550e0f8a0c@tkf.att.ne.jp>

As always, appreciate everyone's help.

Have made several little projects using LC Server on the 
on-rev.com host. For the first time, I would like a global 
variable -- that is a variable that would retain it's value even 
if the page is re-loaded. Or if a user goes to another .lc 
page/file in the domain.

All my playing around, and Googling around, has been for nought. 
Is there a way to hang on to a bit of data was you move around 
pages in the same domain?

Thanks.

Tim Selander
Tokyo, Japan


From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Fri Aug 12 08:26:45 2022
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2022 14:26:45 +0200
Subject: Server globals
In-Reply-To: <fdf1b73b-4f0e-7219-f1a6-95550e0f8a0c@tkf.att.ne.jp>
References: <fdf1b73b-4f0e-7219-f1a6-95550e0f8a0c@tkf.att.ne.jp>
Message-ID: <C19B916C-3A6C-42AF-9E91-E269DA6717BF@m-r-d.de>

Hi Tim,

does the variable have a user specific value or a value, that changes from time to time, but is the same for all users?

I've done something some time ago and used a text file on the server which stored that value. In my case the value was not user specific so it was an easy task.


If the variable is user specific, why don't you use a  cookies for that? That will grant that the value is available  at all pages in the same domain.

Regards,
Matthias


> Am 12.08.2022 um 13:27 schrieb Tim Selander via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> As always, appreciate everyone's help.
> 
> Have made several little projects using LC Server on the on-rev.com host. For the first time, I would like a global variable -- that is a variable that would retain it's value even if the page is re-loaded. Or if a user goes to another .lc page/file in the domain.
> 
> All my playing around, and Googling around, has been for nought. Is there a way to hang on to a bit of data was you move around pages in the same domain?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Tim Selander
> Tokyo, Japan
> 
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From selander at tkf.att.ne.jp  Fri Aug 12 09:18:26 2022
From: selander at tkf.att.ne.jp (Tim Selander)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2022 22:18:26 +0900
Subject: Server globals
In-Reply-To: <C19B916C-3A6C-42AF-9E91-E269DA6717BF@m-r-d.de>
References: <fdf1b73b-4f0e-7219-f1a6-95550e0f8a0c@tkf.att.ne.jp>
 <C19B916C-3A6C-42AF-9E91-E269DA6717BF@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <81d60127-fcdf-afbf-3c9c-70cb3a2041f1@tkf.att.ne.jp>

Hi Matthias,

It is user specific, but I just tried the saving to a text file 
on the server -- very fast. Got the user IP from $_Server, and 
used that in the filename for easy later retrieval. How much data 
can a cookie hold? Guess I'll test that.

One of the reasons I'm fussing with this is I'm trying to come up 
with some kind of pagination system. I'm probably trying to 
re-invent the wheel -- badly.

It's a simple membership list, with a few hundred records. Only 
want to show 30 on the page at a time. I wonder if anyone has a 
LC sample for doing that. I tried Ralph Bitter's Revigniter but 
just can't wrap my head around it.

Using MySQL for testing, so could try to figure out using the 
CURSOR feature. But know nothing about avoiding injection 
attacks, so may fall back to using  a .csv for the datafile. I've 
done that for all my other projects....

Anyway, thanks for the info; no global variables, but file saves 
look like they'll work!

Tim

On 2022.08.12 21:26, matthias rebbe via use-livecode wrote:
> Hi Tim,
> 
> does the variable have a user specific value or a value, that changes from time to time, but is the same for all users?
> 
> I've done something some time ago and used a text file on the server which stored that value. In my case the value was not user specific so it was an easy task.
> 
> 
> If the variable is user specific, why don't you use a  cookies for that? That will grant that the value is available  at all pages in the same domain.
> 
> Regards,
> Matthias
> 
> 
>> Am 12.08.2022 um 13:27 schrieb Tim Selander via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>
>> As always, appreciate everyone's help.
>>
>> Have made several little projects using LC Server on the on-rev.com host. For the first time, I would like a global variable -- that is a variable that would retain it's value even if the page is re-loaded. Or if a user goes to another .lc page/file in the domain.
>>
>> All my playing around, and Googling around, has been for nought. Is there a way to hang on to a bit of data was you move around pages in the same domain?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Tim Selander
>> Tokyo, Japan
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Fri Aug 12 09:39:07 2022
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2022 15:39:07 +0200
Subject: Server globals
In-Reply-To: <81d60127-fcdf-afbf-3c9c-70cb3a2041f1@tkf.att.ne.jp>
References: <fdf1b73b-4f0e-7219-f1a6-95550e0f8a0c@tkf.att.ne.jp>
 <C19B916C-3A6C-42AF-9E91-E269DA6717BF@m-r-d.de>
 <81d60127-fcdf-afbf-3c9c-70cb3a2041f1@tkf.att.ne.jp>
Message-ID: <20CD4267-A735-4430-B50D-2BA3729F25FC@m-r-d.de>

Hi Tim,

the maximum size of a cookie is 4096 bytes.

I am using Sitelok from Vibralogix on one site for a membership list. I've integrated it in a site i created with Rapidweaver. 
I am also using Livecode Server scripts on that site for several tasks including form processing. The good thing is that i can add my Livecode Server scripts to my Rapidweaver pages, either the whole script or only an   include statement that includes the script.
I just need to tell Rapidweaver to store that page with file extension .lc instead of .html.

I also had a look at Reviginiter. Looks so powerful, but i have not enough time in a row to get used with it. So i have to stay with my Rapidweaver/Livecode server script solutions.


Regards,
Matthias


> Am 12.08.2022 um 15:18 schrieb Tim Selander via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Hi Matthias,
> 
> It is user specific, but I just tried the saving to a text file on the server -- very fast. Got the user IP from $_Server, and used that in the filename for easy later retrieval. How much data can a cookie hold? Guess I'll test that.
> 
> One of the reasons I'm fussing with this is I'm trying to come up with some kind of pagination system. I'm probably trying to re-invent the wheel -- badly.
> 
> It's a simple membership list, with a few hundred records. Only want to show 30 on the page at a time. I wonder if anyone has a LC sample for doing that. I tried Ralph Bitter's Revigniter but just can't wrap my head around it.
> 
> Using MySQL for testing, so could try to figure out using the CURSOR feature. But know nothing about avoiding injection attacks, so may fall back to using  a .csv for the datafile. I've done that for all my other projects....
> 
> Anyway, thanks for the info; no global variables, but file saves look like they'll work!
> 
> Tim
> 
> On 2022.08.12 21:26, matthias rebbe via use-livecode wrote:
>> Hi Tim,
>> does the variable have a user specific value or a value, that changes from time to time, but is the same for all users?
>> I've done something some time ago and used a text file on the server which stored that value. In my case the value was not user specific so it was an easy task.
>> If the variable is user specific, why don't you use a  cookies for that? That will grant that the value is available  at all pages in the same domain.
>> Regards,
>> Matthias
>>> Am 12.08.2022 um 13:27 schrieb Tim Selander via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>> 
>>> As always, appreciate everyone's help.
>>> 
>>> Have made several little projects using LC Server on the on-rev.com host. For the first time, I would like a global variable -- that is a variable that would retain it's value even if the page is re-loaded. Or if a user goes to another .lc page/file in the domain.
>>> 
>>> All my playing around, and Googling around, has been for nought. Is there a way to hang on to a bit of data was you move around pages in the same domain?
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> Tim Selander
>>> Tokyo, Japan
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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From jacques.clavel at gmail.com  Fri Aug 12 12:39:04 2022
From: jacques.clavel at gmail.com (Jacques Clavel)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2022 18:39:04 +0200
Subject: Server globals
In-Reply-To: <81d60127-fcdf-afbf-3c9c-70cb3a2041f1@tkf.att.ne.jp>
References: <fdf1b73b-4f0e-7219-f1a6-95550e0f8a0c@tkf.att.ne.jp>
 <C19B916C-3A6C-42AF-9E91-E269DA6717BF@m-r-d.de>
 <81d60127-fcdf-afbf-3c9c-70cb3a2041f1@tkf.att.ne.jp>
Message-ID: <CALD5Cnj8XL5HicrZfG9pyDTguWH1pk6p32PUQDVPV_sSF7wK3w@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Tim,

You can also use localStorage for user specific data at the browser level :
In your .lc script on the server :
to store

<script> localStorage.jcf2 = '" &sDir&  "'</script>


and retrieve data

<script> var jMem = localStorage.getItem('jcf2');</script>


Regards,

JC

Le ven. 12 août 2022 à 15:19, Tim Selander via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> a écrit :

> Hi Matthias,
>
> It is user specific, but I just tried the saving to a text file
> on the server -- very fast. Got the user IP from $_Server, and
> used that in the filename for easy later retrieval. How much data
> can a cookie hold? Guess I'll test that.
>
> One of the reasons I'm fussing with this is I'm trying to come up
> with some kind of pagination system. I'm probably trying to
> re-invent the wheel -- badly.
>
> It's a simple membership list, with a few hundred records. Only
> want to show 30 on the page at a time. I wonder if anyone has a
> LC sample for doing that. I tried Ralph Bitter's Revigniter but
> just can't wrap my head around it.
>
> Using MySQL for testing, so could try to figure out using the
> CURSOR feature. But know nothing about avoiding injection
> attacks, so may fall back to using  a .csv for the datafile. I've
> done that for all my other projects....
>
> Anyway, thanks for the info; no global variables, but file saves
> look like they'll work!
>
> Tim
>
> On 2022.08.12 21:26, matthias rebbe via use-livecode wrote:
> > Hi Tim,
> >
> > does the variable have a user specific value or a value, that changes
> from time to time, but is the same for all users?
> >
> > I've done something some time ago and used a text file on the server
> which stored that value. In my case the value was not user specific so it
> was an easy task.
> >
> >
> > If the variable is user specific, why don't you use a  cookies for that?
> That will grant that the value is available  at all pages in the same
> domain.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Matthias
> >
> >
> >> Am 12.08.2022 um 13:27 schrieb Tim Selander via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> >>
> >> As always, appreciate everyone's help.
> >>
> >> Have made several little projects using LC Server on the on-rev.com
> host. For the first time, I would like a global variable -- that is a
> variable that would retain it's value even if the page is re-loaded. Or if
> a user goes to another .lc page/file in the domain.
> >>
> >> All my playing around, and Googling around, has been for nought. Is
> there a way to hang on to a bit of data was you move around pages in the
> same domain?
> >>
> >> Thanks.
> >>
> >> Tim Selander
> >> Tokyo, Japan
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> use-livecode mailing list
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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> >
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-- 
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From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net  Fri Aug 12 13:18:43 2022
From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2022 13:18:43 -0400
Subject: Server globals
In-Reply-To: <81d60127-fcdf-afbf-3c9c-70cb3a2041f1@tkf.att.ne.jp>
References: <fdf1b73b-4f0e-7219-f1a6-95550e0f8a0c@tkf.att.ne.jp>
 <C19B916C-3A6C-42AF-9E91-E269DA6717BF@m-r-d.de>
 <81d60127-fcdf-afbf-3c9c-70cb3a2041f1@tkf.att.ne.jp>
Message-ID: <004b01d8ae6f$95f146d0$c1d3d470$@net>

Using the IP can fail if more than one user is on the same IP via a router
using NAT. The Browser local storage is a better solution.

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdimola at evergreeninfo.net

-----Original Message-----
From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf
Of Tim Selander via use-livecode
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2022 9:18 AM
To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
Cc: Tim Selander
Subject: Re: Server globals

Hi Matthias,

It is user specific, but I just tried the saving to a text file on the
server -- very fast. Got the user IP from $_Server, and used that in the
filename for easy later retrieval. How much data can a cookie hold? Guess
I'll test that.

One of the reasons I'm fussing with this is I'm trying to come up with some
kind of pagination system. I'm probably trying to re-invent the wheel --
badly.

It's a simple membership list, with a few hundred records. Only want to show
30 on the page at a time. I wonder if anyone has a LC sample for doing that.
I tried Ralph Bitter's Revigniter but just can't wrap my head around it.

Using MySQL for testing, so could try to figure out using the CURSOR
feature. But know nothing about avoiding injection attacks, so may fall back
to using  a .csv for the datafile. I've done that for all my other
projects....

Anyway, thanks for the info; no global variables, but file saves look like
they'll work!

Tim

On 2022.08.12 21:26, matthias rebbe via use-livecode wrote:
> Hi Tim,
> 
> does the variable have a user specific value or a value, that changes from
time to time, but is the same for all users?
> 
> I've done something some time ago and used a text file on the server which
stored that value. In my case the value was not user specific so it was an
easy task.
> 
> 
> If the variable is user specific, why don't you use a  cookies for that?
That will grant that the value is available  at all pages in the same
domain.
> 
> Regards,
> Matthias
> 
> 
>> Am 12.08.2022 um 13:27 schrieb Tim Selander via use-livecode
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>
>> As always, appreciate everyone's help.
>>
>> Have made several little projects using LC Server on the on-rev.com host.
For the first time, I would like a global variable -- that is a variable
that would retain it's value even if the page is re-loaded. Or if a user
goes to another .lc page/file in the domain.
>>
>> All my playing around, and Googling around, has been for nought. Is there
a way to hang on to a bit of data was you move around pages in the same
domain?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Tim Selander
>> Tokyo, Japan
>>
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subscription preferences:
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From selander at tkf.att.ne.jp  Fri Aug 12 19:04:18 2022
From: selander at tkf.att.ne.jp (Tim Selander)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2022 08:04:18 +0900
Subject: Server globals
In-Reply-To: <004b01d8ae6f$95f146d0$c1d3d470$@net>
References: <fdf1b73b-4f0e-7219-f1a6-95550e0f8a0c@tkf.att.ne.jp>
 <C19B916C-3A6C-42AF-9E91-E269DA6717BF@m-r-d.de>
 <81d60127-fcdf-afbf-3c9c-70cb3a2041f1@tkf.att.ne.jp>
 <004b01d8ae6f$95f146d0$c1d3d470$@net>
Message-ID: <3bf1f6bf-60ad-d2ae-1fe1-a216875a8d6d@tkf.att.ne.jp>

Ah! Big problem I hadn't thought of  -- thank you!! I'll try the 
local storage script Jacques offered.

Many thanks.

Tim

On 2022.08.13 2:18, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode wrote:
> Using the IP can fail if more than one user is on the same IP via a router
> using NAT. The Browser local storage is a better solution.
> 
> Ralph DiMola
> IT Director
> Evergreen Information Services
> rdimola at evergreeninfo.net
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf
> Of Tim Selander via use-livecode
> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2022 9:18 AM
> To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Cc: Tim Selander
> Subject: Re: Server globals
> 
> Hi Matthias,
> 
> It is user specific, but I just tried the saving to a text file on the
> server -- very fast. Got the user IP from $_Server, and used that in the
> filename for easy later retrieval. How much data can a cookie hold? Guess
> I'll test that.
> 
> One of the reasons I'm fussing with this is I'm trying to come up with some
> kind of pagination system. I'm probably trying to re-invent the wheel --
> badly.
> 
> It's a simple membership list, with a few hundred records. Only want to show
> 30 on the page at a time. I wonder if anyone has a LC sample for doing that.
> I tried Ralph Bitter's Revigniter but just can't wrap my head around it.
> 
> Using MySQL for testing, so could try to figure out using the CURSOR
> feature. But know nothing about avoiding injection attacks, so may fall back
> to using  a .csv for the datafile. I've done that for all my other
> projects....
> 
> Anyway, thanks for the info; no global variables, but file saves look like
> they'll work!
> 
> Tim
> 
> On 2022.08.12 21:26, matthias rebbe via use-livecode wrote:
>> Hi Tim,
>>
>> does the variable have a user specific value or a value, that changes from
> time to time, but is the same for all users?
>>
>> I've done something some time ago and used a text file on the server which
> stored that value. In my case the value was not user specific so it was an
> easy task.
>>
>>
>> If the variable is user specific, why don't you use a  cookies for that?
> That will grant that the value is available  at all pages in the same
> domain.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Matthias
>>
>>
>>> Am 12.08.2022 um 13:27 schrieb Tim Selander via use-livecode
> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>>
>>> As always, appreciate everyone's help.
>>>
>>> Have made several little projects using LC Server on the on-rev.com host.
> For the first time, I would like a global variable -- that is a variable
> that would retain it's value even if the page is re-loaded. Or if a user
> goes to another .lc page/file in the domain.
>>>
>>> All my playing around, and Googling around, has been for nought. Is there
> a way to hang on to a bit of data was you move around pages in the same
> domain?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Tim Selander
>>> Tokyo, Japan
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
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>>
>>
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From alex at tweedly.net  Fri Aug 12 19:36:34 2022
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2022 00:36:34 +0100
Subject: Server globals
In-Reply-To: <81d60127-fcdf-afbf-3c9c-70cb3a2041f1@tkf.att.ne.jp>
References: <fdf1b73b-4f0e-7219-f1a6-95550e0f8a0c@tkf.att.ne.jp>
 <C19B916C-3A6C-42AF-9E91-E269DA6717BF@m-r-d.de>
 <81d60127-fcdf-afbf-3c9c-70cb3a2041f1@tkf.att.ne.jp>
Message-ID: <463d1a63-a944-a549-8ee0-8ff584a303e5@tweedly.net>

Hi Tim,

I think there are many easy ways to do this - and many not-so-easy ones too.

IMO, easiest for something simple like this is to just use the url.

See tweedly.net/page_by_url.txt for the code, or try it out at 
tweedly.net/page_by_url.lc

(or try tweedly.net/page_by_url.lc?row=14 )

You can do something very similar using a cookie, with the 'row' value 
stored in the cookie each time (remember to "put cookie ..." before 
*any* other output.)

Or by using the cookie to hold the name of a file in which you store 
this kind of info. This is necessary if you need to store a lot of data 
- if there is not already a cookie, create a filename using something 
like uuid(), and store the file name in it - then retrieve the cookie, 
and read or write the file.

Alex.

On 12/08/2022 14:18, Tim Selander via use-livecode wrote:
> Hi Matthias,
>
> It is user specific, but I just tried the saving to a text file on the 
> server -- very fast. Got the user IP from $_Server, and used that in 
> the filename for easy later retrieval. How much data can a cookie 
> hold? Guess I'll test that.
>
> One of the reasons I'm fussing with this is I'm trying to come up with 
> some kind of pagination system. I'm probably trying to re-invent the 
> wheel -- badly.
>
> It's a simple membership list, with a few hundred records. Only want 
> to show 30 on the page at a time. I wonder if anyone has a LC sample 
> for doing that. I tried Ralph Bitter's Revigniter but just can't wrap 
> my head around it.
>
> Using MySQL for testing, so could try to figure out using the CURSOR 
> feature. But know nothing about avoiding injection attacks, so may 
> fall back to using  a .csv for the datafile. I've done that for all my 
> other projects....
>
> Anyway, thanks for the info; no global variables, but file saves look 
> like they'll work!
>
> Tim
>
> On 2022.08.12 21:26, matthias rebbe via use-livecode wrote:
>> Hi Tim,
>>
>> does the variable have a user specific value or a value, that changes 
>> from time to time, but is the same for all users?
>>
>> I've done something some time ago and used a text file on the server 
>> which stored that value. In my case the value was not user specific 
>> so it was an easy task.
>>
>>
>> If the variable is user specific, why don't you use a  cookies for 
>> that? That will grant that the value is available  at all pages in 
>> the same domain.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Matthias
>>
>>
>>> Am 12.08.2022 um 13:27 schrieb Tim Selander via use-livecode 
>>> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>>
>>> As always, appreciate everyone's help.
>>>
>>> Have made several little projects using LC Server on the on-rev.com 
>>> host. For the first time, I would like a global variable -- that is 
>>> a variable that would retain it's value even if the page is 
>>> re-loaded. Or if a user goes to another .lc page/file in the domain.
>>>
>>> All my playing around, and Googling around, has been for nought. Is 
>>> there a way to hang on to a bit of data was you move around pages in 
>>> the same domain?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Tim Selander
>>> Tokyo, Japan
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
>>> subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>
>>
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Aug 12 19:37:36 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2022 23:37:36 +0000
Subject: Shouldn't space or enter in a menu select the hilited item?
Message-ID: <70A75B95-A73F-448C-86FA-E1BB2FB9731C@iotecdigital.com>

Hi all. Very odd, I thought this worked. 

I am programmatically popping up a menu, then I want to be able to jse the arrow keys to traverse the selections available. If I click any of the choices, the menuPick handler gets the choice as the first parameter. If however I use the spacebar or the enterKey to select a choice, the parameter is empty in menuPick! That isn't right, is it??

MacOS 10.15.7 LC 9.6.9 rc1

Bob S



From selander at tkf.att.ne.jp  Sat Aug 13 08:52:58 2022
From: selander at tkf.att.ne.jp (Tim Selander)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2022 21:52:58 +0900
Subject: Server globals
In-Reply-To: <463d1a63-a944-a549-8ee0-8ff584a303e5@tweedly.net>
References: <fdf1b73b-4f0e-7219-f1a6-95550e0f8a0c@tkf.att.ne.jp>
 <C19B916C-3A6C-42AF-9E91-E269DA6717BF@m-r-d.de>
 <81d60127-fcdf-afbf-3c9c-70cb3a2041f1@tkf.att.ne.jp>
 <463d1a63-a944-a549-8ee0-8ff584a303e5@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <3f3ecf2d-a360-18d0-6d8d-c1da9d889ab0@tkf.att.ne.jp>

Alex,

Went to your page, and wow, that is exactly what I was trying to 
do. I'm still trying to figure out exactly how you do it, but I'm 
headed in the right direction.

Thanks!

Tim

On 2022.08.13 8:36, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:
> Hi Tim,
> 
> I think there are many easy ways to do this - and many 
> not-so-easy ones too.
> 
> IMO, easiest for something simple like this is to just use the url.
> 
> See tweedly.net/page_by_url.txt for the code, or try it out at 
> tweedly.net/page_by_url.lc
> 
> (or try tweedly.net/page_by_url.lc?row=14 )
> 
> You can do something very similar using a cookie, with the 'row' 
> value stored in the cookie each time (remember to "put cookie 
> ..." before *any* other output.)
> 
> Or by using the cookie to hold the name of a file in which you 
> store this kind of info. This is necessary if you need to store a 
> lot of data - if there is not already a cookie, create a filename 
> using something like uuid(), and store the file name in it - then 
> retrieve the cookie, and read or write the file.
> 
> Alex.
> 
> On 12/08/2022 14:18, Tim Selander via use-livecode wrote:
>> Hi Matthias,
>>
>> It is user specific, but I just tried the saving to a text file 
>> on the server -- very fast. Got the user IP from $_Server, and 
>> used that in the filename for easy later retrieval. How much 
>> data can a cookie hold? Guess I'll test that.
>>
>> One of the reasons I'm fussing with this is I'm trying to come 
>> up with some kind of pagination system. I'm probably trying to 
>> re-invent the wheel -- badly.
>>
>> It's a simple membership list, with a few hundred records. Only 
>> want to show 30 on the page at a time. I wonder if anyone has a 
>> LC sample for doing that. I tried Ralph Bitter's Revigniter but 
>> just can't wrap my head around it.
>>
>> Using MySQL for testing, so could try to figure out using the 
>> CURSOR feature. But know nothing about avoiding injection 
>> attacks, so may fall back to using  a .csv for the datafile. 
>> I've done that for all my other projects....
>>
>> Anyway, thanks for the info; no global variables, but file 
>> saves look like they'll work!
>>
>> Tim
>>
>> On 2022.08.12 21:26, matthias rebbe via use-livecode wrote:
>>> Hi Tim,
>>>
>>> does the variable have a user specific value or a value, that 
>>> changes from time to time, but is the same for all users?
>>>
>>> I've done something some time ago and used a text file on the 
>>> server which stored that value. In my case the value was not 
>>> user specific so it was an easy task.
>>>
>>>
>>> If the variable is user specific, why don't you use a  cookies 
>>> for that? That will grant that the value is available  at all 
>>> pages in the same domain.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Matthias
>>>
>>>
>>>> Am 12.08.2022 um 13:27 schrieb Tim Selander via use-livecode 
>>>> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>>>
>>>> As always, appreciate everyone's help.
>>>>
>>>> Have made several little projects using LC Server on the 
>>>> on-rev.com host. For the first time, I would like a global 
>>>> variable -- that is a variable that would retain it's value 
>>>> even if the page is re-loaded. Or if a user goes to another 
>>>> .lc page/file in the domain.
>>>>
>>>> All my playing around, and Googling around, has been for 
>>>> nought. Is there a way to hang on to a bit of data was you 
>>>> move around pages in the same domain?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> Tim Selander
>>>> Tokyo, Japan
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage 
>>>> your subscription preferences:
>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>>
>>>
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>>
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From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Sat Aug 13 14:49:26 2022
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2022 14:49:26 -0400
Subject: Server globals
In-Reply-To: <3f3ecf2d-a360-18d0-6d8d-c1da9d889ab0@tkf.att.ne.jp>
References: <fdf1b73b-4f0e-7219-f1a6-95550e0f8a0c@tkf.att.ne.jp>
 <C19B916C-3A6C-42AF-9E91-E269DA6717BF@m-r-d.de>
 <81d60127-fcdf-afbf-3c9c-70cb3a2041f1@tkf.att.ne.jp>
 <463d1a63-a944-a549-8ee0-8ff584a303e5@tweedly.net>
 <3f3ecf2d-a360-18d0-6d8d-c1da9d889ab0@tkf.att.ne.jp>
Message-ID: <CADCoycNU8rQWJtAstH-gfCnd6onx-2dtJzPM=7f55ig6Po9rTg@mail.gmail.com>

With LC thinking that they want to emphasize web apps, more, the
complications with server probably also need some effort.

On Sat, Aug 13, 2022 at 8:54 AM Tim Selander via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Alex,
>
> Went to your page, and wow, that is exactly what I was trying to
> do. I'm still trying to figure out exactly how you do it, but I'm
> headed in the right direction.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Tim
>
> On 2022.08.13 8:36, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:
> > Hi Tim,
> >
> > I think there are many easy ways to do this - and many
> > not-so-easy ones too.
> >
> > IMO, easiest for something simple like this is to just use the url.
> >
> > See tweedly.net/page_by_url.txt for the code, or try it out at
> > tweedly.net/page_by_url.lc
> >
> > (or try tweedly.net/page_by_url.lc?row=14 )
> >
> > You can do something very similar using a cookie, with the 'row'
> > value stored in the cookie each time (remember to "put cookie
> > ..." before *any* other output.)
> >
> > Or by using the cookie to hold the name of a file in which you
> > store this kind of info. This is necessary if you need to store a
> > lot of data - if there is not already a cookie, create a filename
> > using something like uuid(), and store the file name in it - then
> > retrieve the cookie, and read or write the file.
> >
> > Alex.
> >
> > On 12/08/2022 14:18, Tim Selander via use-livecode wrote:
> >> Hi Matthias,
> >>
> >> It is user specific, but I just tried the saving to a text file
> >> on the server -- very fast. Got the user IP from $_Server, and
> >> used that in the filename for easy later retrieval. How much
> >> data can a cookie hold? Guess I'll test that.
> >>
> >> One of the reasons I'm fussing with this is I'm trying to come
> >> up with some kind of pagination system. I'm probably trying to
> >> re-invent the wheel -- badly.
> >>
> >> It's a simple membership list, with a few hundred records. Only
> >> want to show 30 on the page at a time. I wonder if anyone has a
> >> LC sample for doing that. I tried Ralph Bitter's Revigniter but
> >> just can't wrap my head around it.
> >>
> >> Using MySQL for testing, so could try to figure out using the
> >> CURSOR feature. But know nothing about avoiding injection
> >> attacks, so may fall back to using  a .csv for the datafile.
> >> I've done that for all my other projects....
> >>
> >> Anyway, thanks for the info; no global variables, but file
> >> saves look like they'll work!
> >>
> >> Tim
> >>
> >> On 2022.08.12 21:26, matthias rebbe via use-livecode wrote:
> >>> Hi Tim,
> >>>
> >>> does the variable have a user specific value or a value, that
> >>> changes from time to time, but is the same for all users?
> >>>
> >>> I've done something some time ago and used a text file on the
> >>> server which stored that value. In my case the value was not
> >>> user specific so it was an easy task.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> If the variable is user specific, why don't you use a  cookies
> >>> for that? That will grant that the value is available  at all
> >>> pages in the same domain.
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Matthias
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Am 12.08.2022 um 13:27 schrieb Tim Selander via use-livecode
> >>>> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> >>>>
> >>>> As always, appreciate everyone's help.
> >>>>
> >>>> Have made several little projects using LC Server on the
> >>>> on-rev.com host. For the first time, I would like a global
> >>>> variable -- that is a variable that would retain it's value
> >>>> even if the page is re-loaded. Or if a user goes to another
> >>>> .lc page/file in the domain.
> >>>>
> >>>> All my playing around, and Googling around, has been for
> >>>> nought. Is there a way to hang on to a bit of data was you
> >>>> move around pages in the same domain?
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks.
> >>>>
> >>>> Tim Selander
> >>>> Tokyo, Japan
> >>>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> use-livecode mailing list
> >>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage
> >>>> your subscription preferences:
> >>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >>>
> >>>
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> >>
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From andreas.bergendal at gmail.com  Sat Aug 13 15:24:59 2022
From: andreas.bergendal at gmail.com (Andreas Bergendal)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2022 21:24:59 +0200
Subject: A web app launcher with responsive design
Message-ID: <7CB3161B-4245-4529-8FE7-716DEFB4A6D5@gmail.com>

Friends, I have done wonderful things with LC10 web deployment!

I’m excited to share with you the fruits of this week's extensive research and testing!

TL;DR:
Try this: https://wheninspace.com/portal/ <https://wheninspace.com/portal/>

Long version:

I wanted to do two things:

1) Like we often do with desktop standalones: Create a minimal launcher/splash stack as standalone, which only does one thing - open an external stack that does everything else. This way I can then update individual stacks, without having to build a new standalone each time.

2) Get the resizing of the browser window to trigger the resize of the stacks and all the responsive design therein, and make it look good on both desktop and mobile. (Refining the example from the mothership, ”Meeting space”.)

I have accomplished both!
You can see and test the result here:
https://wheninspace.com/portal/ <https://wheninspace.com/portal/>

Please try it both in desktop browsers (resizing the browser to various sizes) and mobile browsers (both portrait and landscape orientation).

The standalone consists of a minimal launch stack that just acts as event listening agent (even after closing itself) and opens the Portal stack which is an external LC stack. The Portal stack then has buttons for opening additional external LC stacks. 

When the launcher stack receives a resize signal from the browser (from the JavaScript in the html file), it dispatches ”resizeEvent” with the width/height values to the topStack, which can subsequently rearrange its stack rect and content accordingly.

As a bonus, I also demonstrate the possibility to show several stacks in the same browser window!

I find the LC web deployment option a true game-changer! A new world is opening! Let’s build it! :)

/Andreas

From colinholgate at gmail.com  Sat Aug 13 16:59:05 2022
From: colinholgate at gmail.com (Colin Holgate)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2022 14:59:05 -0600
Subject: Running installer on Windows 10
Message-ID: <35C01E39-3C91-43E9-A3F8-ACDDCCDF7FD9@gmail.com>

I am testing a stack on some different systems, and on Mac M1, Mac Intel, Intel i7 PC with Windows 10, and an Intel Celeron N5095 with Windows 11, no problems.

On an Intel Celeron N3450, Windows 10, nothing happens when opening the LiveCode 9.6.8 x86-64 installer, or if I open a standalone app that I made. When using run as admin, the initial “are you sure” screen appears, but then after that nothing happens.

What could be different between a Celeron N5095 and a Celeron N3450, that would account for why LiveCode applications don’t open?

I see from this post:

https://forums.unrealengine.com/t/epic-games-launcher-does-not-open/420387 <https://forums.unrealengine.com/t/epic-games-launcher-does-not-open/420387>

that some software might not like an Intel HD Graphics 500, but would that be a reason for the installer to fail silently?

I worked around the issue for now by saving the stack as v7. The 7.1.3 installer works ok.

From tom at makeshyft.com  Sat Aug 13 17:23:48 2022
From: tom at makeshyft.com (Tom Glod)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2022 17:23:48 -0400
Subject: Livecode SQLite
In-Reply-To: <fd399822a5fdad9e930b14a62ac12b92@livecode.com>
References: <CAPzQJL+u4Ct1sMqZ0Qrb77g4PsY8EfzLzy_vt8fHxhcHdWkQ4g@mail.gmail.com>
 <fd399822a5fdad9e930b14a62ac12b92@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <CAPzQJLJGok7Suibqv+P+tMTQ3pZvdnAP_3UPSxe3MO9FtmEvLQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Mark, I'm using very simple examples to run it, so I don't think its my
query, but you are eight I shouldreport this. This would be really great to
have. Esp since  almost everything is json these days.
I will report it in the next few days. Thanks,

On Fri, Aug 12, 2022 at 12:57 AM Mark Waddingham via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> On 2022-08-11 16:16, Tom Glod via use-livecode wrote:
> > I was interested in implementing a relatively new feature where you can
> > index and query json documents and read the keys directly.
> >
> > https://dgl.cx/2020/06/sqlite-json-support
> >
> > I guess, if this is true, is there any documentation about which
> > features
> > of sqlite are implemented and which are not?
>
> The version of SQLite is currently 3.34 built with FTS3,
> FTS3_PARANTHESIS, FTS4, FTS5, RTREE and JSON1 options.
>
> So the JSON features (at least as far as those included in 3.34) should
> be included - perhaps the queries you are trying rely on features
> (perhaps not JSON related) included in more recent versions?
>
> If you file a bug report with what examples of what isn't working, then
> we'll look into updating to the latest version of the library.
>
> Warmest Regards,
>
> Mark.
>
> --
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From marksmithhfx at gmail.com  Sat Aug 13 17:39:57 2022
From: marksmithhfx at gmail.com (Mark Smith)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2022 22:39:57 +0100
Subject: A web app launcher with responsive design
In-Reply-To: <7CB3161B-4245-4529-8FE7-716DEFB4A6D5@gmail.com>
References: <7CB3161B-4245-4529-8FE7-716DEFB4A6D5@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E296306E-86D6-4C66-8544-A2688A8BFD17@gmail.com>

Congratulations Andreas and thanks for sharing. I haven’t done any work with the new LC HTML5 engine but I was really impressed with the speed of loading it on my new M1 Pro — about 3-4 seconds on first download and then a second or so thereafter. On my iPhone 12 not so fast… more like 30 on the first download but again very quick (a second or two) on subsequent loads. It looks like you’ve got a lot of the tech working with objects and screens and the adaptive resizing. When I do get around to getting into this (and it looks very enticing) I’ll know where to go for help :)

Mark


> On 13 Aug 2022, at 8:24 pm, Andreas Bergendal via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Friends, I have done wonderful things with LC10 web deployment!
> 
> I’m excited to share with you the fruits of this week's extensive research and testing!
> 
> TL;DR:
> Try this: https://wheninspace.com/portal/ <https://wheninspace.com/portal/>
> 
> Long version:
> 
> I wanted to do two things:
> 
> 1) Like we often do with desktop standalones: Create a minimal launcher/splash stack as standalone, which only does one thing - open an external stack that does everything else. This way I can then update individual stacks, without having to build a new standalone each time.
> 
> 2) Get the resizing of the browser window to trigger the resize of the stacks and all the responsive design therein, and make it look good on both desktop and mobile. (Refining the example from the mothership, ”Meeting space”.)
> 
> I have accomplished both!
> You can see and test the result here:
> https://wheninspace.com/portal/ <https://wheninspace.com/portal/>
> 
> Please try it both in desktop browsers (resizing the browser to various sizes) and mobile browsers (both portrait and landscape orientation).
> 
> The standalone consists of a minimal launch stack that just acts as event listening agent (even after closing itself) and opens the Portal stack which is an external LC stack. The Portal stack then has buttons for opening additional external LC stacks. 
> 
> When the launcher stack receives a resize signal from the browser (from the JavaScript in the html file), it dispatches ”resizeEvent” with the width/height values to the topStack, which can subsequently rearrange its stack rect and content accordingly.
> 
> As a bonus, I also demonstrate the possibility to show several stacks in the same browser window!
> 
> I find the LC web deployment option a true game-changer! A new world is opening! Let’s build it! :)
> 
> /Andreas
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> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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From tom at makeshyft.com  Sat Aug 13 20:06:10 2022
From: tom at makeshyft.com (Tom Glod)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2022 20:06:10 -0400
Subject: A web app launcher with responsive design
In-Reply-To: <E296306E-86D6-4C66-8544-A2688A8BFD17@gmail.com>
References: <7CB3161B-4245-4529-8FE7-716DEFB4A6D5@gmail.com>
 <E296306E-86D6-4C66-8544-A2688A8BFD17@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPzQJLKDk6RJ=DwcAbe2xN19Gmw6DenRTZu1=pvY3TU2v=UT=g@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Andreas, thanks for sharing, cool example of responsive design.

I thought the HTML5/javascript export was dead, and WASM would be used
instead.
It could be my own confusion about terminology being used.
Can someone clarify this for me?

Thanks,

Tom


On Sat, Aug 13, 2022 at 5:41 PM Mark Smith via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Congratulations Andreas and thanks for sharing. I haven’t done any work
> with the new LC HTML5 engine but I was really impressed with the speed of
> loading it on my new M1 Pro — about 3-4 seconds on first download and then
> a second or so thereafter. On my iPhone 12 not so fast… more like 30 on the
> first download but again very quick (a second or two) on subsequent loads.
> It looks like you’ve got a lot of the tech working with objects and screens
> and the adaptive resizing. When I do get around to getting into this (and
> it looks very enticing) I’ll know where to go for help :)
>
> Mark
>
>
> > On 13 Aug 2022, at 8:24 pm, Andreas Bergendal via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Friends, I have done wonderful things with LC10 web deployment!
> >
> > I’m excited to share with you the fruits of this week's extensive
> research and testing!
> >
> > TL;DR:
> > Try this: https://wheninspace.com/portal/ <
> https://wheninspace.com/portal/>
> >
> > Long version:
> >
> > I wanted to do two things:
> >
> > 1) Like we often do with desktop standalones: Create a minimal
> launcher/splash stack as standalone, which only does one thing - open an
> external stack that does everything else. This way I can then update
> individual stacks, without having to build a new standalone each time.
> >
> > 2) Get the resizing of the browser window to trigger the resize of the
> stacks and all the responsive design therein, and make it look good on both
> desktop and mobile. (Refining the example from the mothership, ”Meeting
> space”.)
> >
> > I have accomplished both!
> > You can see and test the result here:
> > https://wheninspace.com/portal/ <https://wheninspace.com/portal/>
> >
> > Please try it both in desktop browsers (resizing the browser to various
> sizes) and mobile browsers (both portrait and landscape orientation).
> >
> > The standalone consists of a minimal launch stack that just acts as
> event listening agent (even after closing itself) and opens the Portal
> stack which is an external LC stack. The Portal stack then has buttons for
> opening additional external LC stacks.
> >
> > When the launcher stack receives a resize signal from the browser (from
> the JavaScript in the html file), it dispatches ”resizeEvent” with the
> width/height values to the topStack, which can subsequently rearrange its
> stack rect and content accordingly.
> >
> > As a bonus, I also demonstrate the possibility to show several stacks in
> the same browser window!
> >
> > I find the LC web deployment option a true game-changer! A new world is
> opening! Let’s build it! :)
> >
> > /Andreas
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> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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> subscription preferences:
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From alex at tweedly.net  Sat Aug 13 20:16:23 2022
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2022 01:16:23 +0100
Subject: A web app launcher with responsive design
In-Reply-To: <7CB3161B-4245-4529-8FE7-716DEFB4A6D5@gmail.com>
References: <7CB3161B-4245-4529-8FE7-716DEFB4A6D5@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9958affd-92f5-e62f-bc53-4f3d0cd462b4@tweedly.net>


On 13/08/2022 20:24, Andreas Bergendal via use-livecode wrote:
> Friends, I have done wonderful things with LC10 web deployment!
>
> Im excited to share with you the fruits of this week's extensive research and testing!
>
Wow. Thanks Andreas.

Resize, etc. work well for me on Safari, but fail badly on Chrome 
browser (details not included) - all build-for-web attempts fail on this 
version of Chrome.  (which it says is up-to-date).


However, the way I read your email ( "...excited to share with you the 
fruits of this week's..."), I think ui intend to make this code 
available for the rest of us to use. But, I cant see a link, or a way to 
get access to the source.

Please tell me I'm not over-interpreting your words. Please say that you 
have, or will, publish the text of the stacks involved.

Many thanks again,

Alex.




From marksmithhfx at gmail.com  Sun Aug 14 00:13:30 2022
From: marksmithhfx at gmail.com (Mark Smith)
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2022 05:13:30 +0100
Subject: A web app launcher with responsive design
In-Reply-To: <CAPzQJLKDk6RJ=DwcAbe2xN19Gmw6DenRTZu1=pvY3TU2v=UT=g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPzQJLKDk6RJ=DwcAbe2xN19Gmw6DenRTZu1=pvY3TU2v=UT=g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <546FC399-35F0-4C51-9F3D-9637E9AB10D8@gmail.com>

Hi Tom, Andreas didn’t mention what the platform was in his message so I just googled  “LC web deployment” and it turned up this… 

https://lessons.livecode.com/m/4071/l/800867-how-do-i-put-my-first-app-on-the-web

However, since you mentioned WASM I looked it up and you are correct, LC 10 (which Andreas was using) is using Web Assembly not HTML5. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 14, 2022, at 1:07 AM, Tom Glod via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hey Andreas, thanks for sharing, cool example of responsive design.
> 
> I thought the HTML5/javascript export was dead, and WASM would be used
> instead.
> It could be my own confusion about terminology being used.
> Can someone clarify this for me?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Tom
> 
> 
>> On Sat, Aug 13, 2022 at 5:41 PM Mark Smith via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Congratulations Andreas and thanks for sharing. I haven’t done any work
>> with the new LC HTML5 engine but I was really impressed with the speed of
>> loading it on my new M1 Pro — about 3-4 seconds on first download and then
>> a second or so thereafter. On my iPhone 12 not so fast… more like 30 on the
>> first download but again very quick (a second or two) on subsequent loads.
>> It looks like you’ve got a lot of the tech working with objects and screens
>> and the adaptive resizing. When I do get around to getting into this (and
>> it looks very enticing) I’ll know where to go for help :)
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> 
>>> On 13 Aug 2022, at 8:24 pm, Andreas Bergendal via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Friends, I have done wonderful things with LC10 web deployment!
>>> 
>>> I’m excited to share with you the fruits of this week's extensive
>> research and testing!
>>> 
>>> TL;DR:
>>> Try this: https://wheninspace.com/portal/ <
>> https://wheninspace.com/portal/>
>>> 
>>> Long version:
>>> 
>>> I wanted to do two things:
>>> 
>>> 1) Like we often do with desktop standalones: Create a minimal
>> launcher/splash stack as standalone, which only does one thing - open an
>> external stack that does everything else. This way I can then update
>> individual stacks, without having to build a new standalone each time.
>>> 
>>> 2) Get the resizing of the browser window to trigger the resize of the
>> stacks and all the responsive design therein, and make it look good on both
>> desktop and mobile. (Refining the example from the mothership, ”Meeting
>> space”.)
>>> 
>>> I have accomplished both!
>>> You can see and test the result here:
>>> https://wheninspace.com/portal/ <https://wheninspace.com/portal/>
>>> 
>>> Please try it both in desktop browsers (resizing the browser to various
>> sizes) and mobile browsers (both portrait and landscape orientation).
>>> 
>>> The standalone consists of a minimal launch stack that just acts as
>> event listening agent (even after closing itself) and opens the Portal
>> stack which is an external LC stack. The Portal stack then has buttons for
>> opening additional external LC stacks.
>>> 
>>> When the launcher stack receives a resize signal from the browser (from
>> the JavaScript in the html file), it dispatches ”resizeEvent” with the
>> width/height values to the topStack, which can subsequently rearrange its
>> stack rect and content accordingly.
>>> 
>>> As a bonus, I also demonstrate the possibility to show several stacks in
>> the same browser window!
>>> 
>>> I find the LC web deployment option a true game-changer! A new world is
>> opening! Let’s build it! :)
>>> 
>>> /Andreas
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> 
>> 
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From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Sun Aug 14 00:50:56 2022
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2022 21:50:56 -0700
Subject: A web app launcher with responsive design
In-Reply-To: <9958affd-92f5-e62f-bc53-4f3d0cd462b4@tweedly.net>
References: <7CB3161B-4245-4529-8FE7-716DEFB4A6D5@gmail.com>
 <9958affd-92f5-e62f-bc53-4f3d0cd462b4@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <928b85a7-db56-32ae-b896-28428631cfcf@sonic.net>

On 8/13/22 17:16, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:
> 
> On 13/08/2022 20:24, Andreas Bergendal via use-livecode wrote:
>> Friends, I have done wonderful things with LC10 web deployment!
>>
>> Im excited to share with you the fruits of this week's extensive 
>> research and testing!
>>
> Wow. Thanks Andreas.
> 
> Resize, etc. work well for me on Safari, but fail badly on Chrome 
> browser (details not included) - all build-for-web attempts fail on this 
> version of Chrome.  (which it says is up-to-date).

OTOH, it's working fine for me on Chrome. Go figger.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com


From andreas.bergendal at gmail.com  Sun Aug 14 06:47:16 2022
From: andreas.bergendal at gmail.com (Andreas Bergendal)
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2022 12:47:16 +0200
Subject: A web app launcher with responsive design
In-Reply-To: <E296306E-86D6-4C66-8544-A2688A8BFD17@gmail.com>
References: <7CB3161B-4245-4529-8FE7-716DEFB4A6D5@gmail.com>
 <E296306E-86D6-4C66-8544-A2688A8BFD17@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6F651EAA-8405-47B3-B8CA-868758401EFE@gmail.com>

Hi all,

Thanks for your feedback on this first test version. It is made with LC 10 dp 4 which indeed uses the wasm tech and not the old html5 tech.

And don’t worry - I wouldn’t have half the knowledge I have in LC coding if it weren’t for the generous sharing on this list and in the forum. Being able to make a small contribution to this knowledge bank is my pleasure.

Here’s a link to a zip file with all the stacks used in the example, plus the index.html file (with I use to replace the standalone.html file produced by the standalone maker):
https://wheninspace.com/portal/LC_wasm_example_package.zip

Note that the links used in the scripts to open stacks all point to my server/domain (obviously) , so if you want to experiment with your copy you’ll need to have a server to put them on and change the links accordingly. It will not work by using the Test deployment (at least not out-of-the-box). I do all testing live on the server.

Note the order in which the stacks fire up: LCweblauncher.livecode (which becomes standalone.zip when built) -> uses WISwebLauncherLib.livecodescript -> opens WISwebPortal.livecode -> opens the other stacks.

I’m sure there's room for vast improvement to all this, and I believe there will also be more support for natively handling some things in coming LC10 versions.
But the future looks promising! :)

/Andreas


> 13 aug. 2022 kl. 23:39 skrev Mark Smith <marksmithhfx at gmail.com>:
> 
> Congratulations Andreas and thanks for sharing. I haven’t done any work with the new LC HTML5 engine but I was really impressed with the speed of loading it on my new M1 Pro — about 3-4 seconds on first download and then a second or so thereafter. On my iPhone 12 not so fast… more like 30 on the first download but again very quick (a second or two) on subsequent loads. It looks like you’ve got a lot of the tech working with objects and screens and the adaptive resizing. When I do get around to getting into this (and it looks very enticing) I’ll know where to go for help :)
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
>> On 13 Aug 2022, at 8:24 pm, Andreas Bergendal via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Friends, I have done wonderful things with LC10 web deployment!
>> 
>> I’m excited to share with you the fruits of this week's extensive research and testing!
>> 
>> TL;DR:
>> Try this: https://wheninspace.com/portal/
>> 
>> Long version:
>> 
>> I wanted to do two things:
>> 
>> 1) Like we often do with desktop standalones: Create a minimal launcher/splash stack as standalone, which only does one thing - open an external stack that does everything else. This way I can then update individual stacks, without having to build a new standalone each time.
>> 
>> 2) Get the resizing of the browser window to trigger the resize of the stacks and all the responsive design therein, and make it look good on both desktop and mobile. (Refining the example from the mothership, ”Meeting space”.)
>> 
>> I have accomplished both!
>> You can see and test the result here:
>> https://wheninspace.com/portal/
>> 
>> Please try it both in desktop browsers (resizing the browser to various sizes) and mobile browsers (both portrait and landscape orientation).
>> 
>> The standalone consists of a minimal launch stack that just acts as event listening agent (even after closing itself) and opens the Portal stack which is an external LC stack. The Portal stack then has buttons for opening additional external LC stacks. 
>> 
>> When the launcher stack receives a resize signal from the browser (from the JavaScript in the html file), it dispatches ”resizeEvent” with the width/height values to the topStack, which can subsequently rearrange its stack rect and content accordingly.
>> 
>> As a bonus, I also demonstrate the possibility to show several stacks in the same browser window!
>> 
>> I find the LC web deployment option a true game-changer! A new world is opening! Let’s build it! :)
>> 
>> /Andreas

From jiml at netrin.com  Sun Aug 14 16:02:47 2022
From: jiml at netrin.com (Jim Lambert)
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2022 13:02:47 -0700
Subject: A web app launcher with responsive design 
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1660492802.157259.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.1.1660492802.157259.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <7A474F6E-24C3-45FC-8CBB-020C6DB25DCF@netrin.com>

Andreas,

Very nice!

Thanks,
Jim Lambert


From selander at tkf.att.ne.jp  Mon Aug 15 08:58:25 2022
From: selander at tkf.att.ne.jp (Tim Selander)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2022 21:58:25 +0900
Subject: More Server Silliness
Message-ID: <1549e269-38ea-5c03-06fc-344990ba3b65@tkf.att.ne.jp>

With Alex and everyone's help, I got the global vs cookies, etc., 
sorted out and am happily paginating away with my little 
membership web site.

With Kenji's help, I got automatic address fill-in from Japanese 
zip codes.

However, I was looking at LiveCode's server samples 
(serversamples.livecode.com/index.lc) and thought, gee, the Ajax 
filtering looks pretty neat.

So I set off to make that work, and failed. I'd give up on it, 
but after wasting THIS much time on it, I gotta bring it to you 
all for a little input and hopefully another bail-out.

Just for testing, I made two new files. The first with the code 
LC provides at 
https://serversamples.livecode.com/display-file.lc?filename=ajax-simple.lc 
and the second from step 3 of the ajax sample page, 
https://serversamples.livecode.com/ajax.lc.

Changed only the bits needed to pull data from my database. File 
one, ajax-simple.lc, lists my data and an input box just like the 
sample page. But it sends no info via GET to the second file, 
filter.lc. If I manually put the GET info in the 
URL,(filter.lc?search_term=John, I get the filtered data I 
expect, but in the filter.lc window -- the data is not returned 
to File 1, ajax-simple.lc.

Has anyone using LC Server gotten that ajax sample to work??

Many thanks,

Tim Selander








From heather at livecode.com  Mon Aug 15 09:55:24 2022
From: heather at livecode.com (Heather Laine)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2022 14:55:24 +0100
Subject: [blog] Power Tools
Message-ID: <B34C098C-4210-4C7F-A881-DC29FE45EF4D@livecode.com>

Dear List Folks,

Just dropping a note to draw your attention to a fine blog post by Mr Mark Wieder:

https://livecode.com/power-tools/

Enjoy!

Warm Regards,

Heather

Heather Laine
Customer Services Manager
LiveCode Ltd
www.livecode.com





From selander at tkf.att.ne.jp  Mon Aug 15 11:10:36 2022
From: selander at tkf.att.ne.jp (Tim Selander)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2022 00:10:36 +0900
Subject: More Server Silliness -- Nevermind
In-Reply-To: <1549e269-38ea-5c03-06fc-344990ba3b65@tkf.att.ne.jp>
References: <1549e269-38ea-5c03-06fc-344990ba3b65@tkf.att.ne.jp>
Message-ID: <4eb3b4c4-5a5d-0fb8-e00b-d5787cf861fb@tkf.att.ne.jp>

Using Firefox developer tools, found out jquery was not loading 
property.
Hangs head in shame at rookie mistake...

Still not working properly, but continue to poke at it.

Tim Selander

On 2022.08.15 21:58, Tim Selander via use-livecode wrote:
> With Alex and everyone's help, I got the global vs cookies, etc., 
> sorted out and am happily paginating away with my little 
> membership web site.
> 
> With Kenji's help, I got automatic address fill-in from Japanese 
> zip codes.
> 
> However, I was looking at LiveCode's server samples 
> (serversamples.livecode.com/index.lc) and thought, gee, the Ajax 
> filtering looks pretty neat.
> 
> So I set off to make that work, and failed. I'd give up on it, 
> but after wasting THIS much time on it, I gotta bring it to you 
> all for a little input and hopefully another bail-out.
> 
> Just for testing, I made two new files. The first with the code 
> LC provides at 
> https://serversamples.livecode.com/display-file.lc?filename=ajax-simple.lc 
> and the second from step 3 of the ajax sample page, 
> https://serversamples.livecode.com/ajax.lc.
> 
> Changed only the bits needed to pull data from my database. File 
> one, ajax-simple.lc, lists my data and an input box just like the 
> sample page. But it sends no info via GET to the second file, 
> filter.lc. If I manually put the GET info in the 
> URL,(filter.lc?search_term=John, I get the filtered data I 
> expect, but in the filter.lc window -- the data is not returned 
> to File 1, ajax-simple.lc.
> 
> Has anyone using LC Server gotten that ajax sample to work??
> 
> Many thanks,
> 
> Tim Selander
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From craig at starfirelighting.com  Mon Aug 15 14:00:37 2022
From: craig at starfirelighting.com (Craig Newman)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2022 14:00:37 -0400
Subject: Shouldn't space or enter in a menu select the hilited item?
In-Reply-To: <70A75B95-A73F-448C-86FA-E1BB2FB9731C@iotecdigital.com>
References: <70A75B95-A73F-448C-86FA-E1BB2FB9731C@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <24EBA058-E6F8-417B-8B94-AEFCCDE3E717@starfirelighting.com>

Hi.

I am missing something. Make a popup menu button. Ina mouseUp handler in another button:

on mouseUp
  click at the loc of btn 1
end mouseUp

Once the menu is open, the up and down arrow keys navigate among the menuItems.

Craig

> On Aug 12, 2022, at 7:37 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi all. Very odd, I thought this worked. 
> 
> I am programmatically popping up a menu, then I want to be able to jse the arrow keys to traverse the selections available. If I click any of the choices, the menuPick handler gets the choice as the first parameter. If however I use the spacebar or the enterKey to select a choice, the parameter is empty in menuPick! That isn't right, is it??
> 
> MacOS 10.15.7 LC 9.6.9 rc1
> 
> Bob S
> 
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From craig at starfirelighting.com  Mon Aug 15 14:03:00 2022
From: craig at starfirelighting.com (Craig Newman)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2022 14:03:00 -0400
Subject: Shouldn't space or enter in a menu select the hilited item?
In-Reply-To: <70A75B95-A73F-448C-86FA-E1BB2FB9731C@iotecdigital.com>
References: <70A75B95-A73F-448C-86FA-E1BB2FB9731C@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <12842B27-1D43-4A12-8C8D-47426821E70A@starfirelighting.com>

Hi, I was not complete. Once the arrow keys have found the menuItem of interest, clicking Enter or Return executes the menuPick handler.

Craig

> On Aug 12, 2022, at 7:37 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi all. Very odd, I thought this worked. 
> 
> I am programmatically popping up a menu, then I want to be able to jse the arrow keys to traverse the selections available. If I click any of the choices, the menuPick handler gets the choice as the first parameter. If however I use the spacebar or the enterKey to select a choice, the parameter is empty in menuPick! That isn't right, is it??
> 
> MacOS 10.15.7 LC 9.6.9 rc1
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
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From paul at researchware.com  Mon Aug 15 14:29:20 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2022 14:29:20 -0400
Subject: Polygrid sorting
Message-ID: <d3e79085-1552-b5fe-9289-99c60976a6a9@researchware.com>

So, I bought the Summer Bundle. Yes, it is a good deal.

In my case it was primarily for the Polygrid widget. Our application 
uses a Datagrid to display customer research data. The columns headers 
are text and the left most column ROWs are test and all other cells are 
numbers. Some customers can have quite large data sets and I have been 
running into the number of columns (ad a default width of 100px per 
column) exceeding a GROUPs 32,767px width maximum (about 327-328 
columns). At this point the Datagrid just fails - no data is displayed.

I can now attest that a Polygrid (under LC 9.6.8) does not have this 
limit. I have a "test" stack (for Datagrid testing) I converted to the 
Polygrid and can easily generate 1000 columns x 1000 rows of data and it 
works.

So I guess the answer to bug 
https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23875 is "Use the PolyGrid"

On that note, the Datagrid has 2 features I use in this specific case, 
user column resizing (built into the Polygrid - Yea!) and column sorting 
(NOT built into the Polygrid - Boo!). So, does anyone have some column 
sort code for the Polygrid they have written that they might be willing 
to share?

Also, I have filled a Polygrid enhancement request to allow the left 
column (or the left N columns) to be locked/frozen, so they remain 
visible when the Polygrid is scrolled horizontally. See 
https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23880. If you might benefit 
from this enhancement, please follow the bug or add a comment to that 
effect.



From paul at researchware.com  Mon Aug 15 15:34:39 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2022 15:34:39 -0400
Subject: Polygrid sorting (problems)
In-Reply-To: <d3e79085-1552-b5fe-9289-99c60976a6a9@researchware.com>
References: <d3e79085-1552-b5fe-9289-99c60976a6a9@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <4bf5092d-5a4c-d27d-d6fb-a9245c6ba728@researchware.com>

So there is an example of sorting in the PolyGrid documentation under 
the entry for the MESSAGE "headerClick" and under the entry to the 
PROPERTY "text" (and in 'the text of me')

The example code only sort the visible rows as "the text of widget X" 
returns the data of PolyGrid X as tab delimited, WITHOUT the column 
headers, but ONLY the visible rows.

So, what to use for sorting all the data in a PolyGrid by a particular 
column?

The tsvData of widget X (and csvData, and Text) doesn't seem to work. 
The all seems to only get the visible data (rows). Only the pgData of 
widget return the whole dataset of the PolyGrid. Is this the way these 
properties are supposed to work?

If that is how text, csvData, and tsvData are supposed to work 
(returning only the visible rows), then the sort example in the PolyGrid 
documentation require updating otherwise these properties require updating!



On 8/15/2022 2:29 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
> So, I bought the Summer Bundle. Yes, it is a good deal.
>
> In my case it was primarily for the Polygrid widget. Our application 
> uses a Datagrid to display customer research data. The columns headers 
> are text and the left most column ROWs are test and all other cells 
> are numbers. Some customers can have quite large data sets and I have 
> been running into the number of columns (ad a default width of 100px 
> per column) exceeding a GROUPs 32,767px width maximum (about 327-328 
> columns). At this point the Datagrid just fails - no data is displayed.
>
> I can now attest that a Polygrid (under LC 9.6.8) does not have this 
> limit. I have a "test" stack (for Datagrid testing) I converted to the 
> Polygrid and can easily generate 1000 columns x 1000 rows of data and 
> it works.
>
> So I guess the answer to bug 
> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23875 is "Use the PolyGrid"
>
> On that note, the Datagrid has 2 features I use in this specific case, 
> user column resizing (built into the Polygrid - Yea!) and column 
> sorting (NOT built into the Polygrid - Boo!). So, does anyone have 
> some column sort code for the Polygrid they have written that they 
> might be willing to share?
>
> Also, I have filled a Polygrid enhancement request to allow the left 
> column (or the left N columns) to be locked/frozen, so they remain 
> visible when the Polygrid is scrolled horizontally. See 
> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23880. If you might 
> benefit from this enhancement, please follow the bug or add a comment 
> to that effect.
>
>
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> subscription preferences:
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From marksmithhfx at gmail.com  Mon Aug 15 16:01:34 2022
From: marksmithhfx at gmail.com (Mark Smith)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2022 21:01:34 +0100
Subject: Polygrid sorting
In-Reply-To: <d3e79085-1552-b5fe-9289-99c60976a6a9@researchware.com>
References: <d3e79085-1552-b5fe-9289-99c60976a6a9@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <94E40C36-74A8-485A-B829-E49118656D2A@gmail.com>

Hi Paul,

I downloaded your sample stack, put 100 into the Columns field, heard 3 audible beeps but no data (or PolyGrid) appeared. There is data in the pgcolumnnames and pgdata custom properties (so those values were defined). It’s just the grid that did not appear. Thinking it might be my laptop (apple silicon M1) I tried it on an Intel MacBook Pro and got the same result. 

I am a big fan of being able to lock top and left-most column/rows of any grid and would happily endorse your request.

Cheers,
Mark

> On 15 Aug 2022, at 7:29 pm, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> So, I bought the Summer Bundle. Yes, it is a good deal.
> 
> In my case it was primarily for the Polygrid widget. Our application uses a Datagrid to display customer research data. The columns headers are text and the left most column ROWs are test and all other cells are numbers. Some customers can have quite large data sets and I have been running into the number of columns (ad a default width of 100px per column) exceeding a GROUPs 32,767px width maximum (about 327-328 columns). At this point the Datagrid just fails - no data is displayed.
> 
> I can now attest that a Polygrid (under LC 9.6.8) does not have this limit. I have a "test" stack (for Datagrid testing) I converted to the Polygrid and can easily generate 1000 columns x 1000 rows of data and it works.
> 
> So I guess the answer to bug https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23875 is "Use the PolyGrid"
> 
> On that note, the Datagrid has 2 features I use in this specific case, user column resizing (built into the Polygrid - Yea!) and column sorting (NOT built into the Polygrid - Boo!). So, does anyone have some column sort code for the Polygrid they have written that they might be willing to share?
> 
> Also, I have filled a Polygrid enhancement request to allow the left column (or the left N columns) to be locked/frozen, so they remain visible when the Polygrid is scrolled horizontally. See https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23880. If you might benefit from this enhancement, please follow the bug or add a comment to that effect.
> 
> 
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From paul at researchware.com  Mon Aug 15 16:10:49 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2022 16:10:49 -0400
Subject: Polygrid sorting
In-Reply-To: <94E40C36-74A8-485A-B829-E49118656D2A@gmail.com>
References: <d3e79085-1552-b5fe-9289-99c60976a6a9@researchware.com>
 <94E40C36-74A8-485A-B829-E49118656D2A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <304471d6-fcd0-2157-fd49-845f83d8315c@researchware.com>

Okay, I built the stack and tested it under Windows 10. The 3 beeps are 
intentional. It is to let me know when it is done as some test with 500+ 
columns/rows takes a while. It does display under LC9.6.8 (64 bit) on 
Windows 10.

Now I have to go try it on macOS?



On 8/15/2022 4:01 PM, Mark Smith via use-livecode wrote:
> Hi Paul,
>
> I downloaded your sample stack, put 100 into the Columns field, heard 3 audible beeps but no data (or PolyGrid) appeared. There is data in the pgcolumnnames and pgdata custom properties (so those values were defined). Its just the grid that did not appear. Thinking it might be my laptop (apple silicon M1) I tried it on an Intel MacBook Pro and got the same result.
>
> I am a big fan of being able to lock top and left-most column/rows of any grid and would happily endorse your request.
>
> Cheers,
> Mark
>
>> On 15 Aug 2022, at 7:29 pm, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> So, I bought the Summer Bundle. Yes, it is a good deal.
>>
>> In my case it was primarily for the Polygrid widget. Our application uses a Datagrid to display customer research data. The columns headers are text and the left most column ROWs are test and all other cells are numbers. Some customers can have quite large data sets and I have been running into the number of columns (ad a default width of 100px per column) exceeding a GROUPs 32,767px width maximum (about 327-328 columns). At this point the Datagrid just fails - no data is displayed.
>>
>> I can now attest that a Polygrid (under LC 9.6.8) does not have this limit. I have a "test" stack (for Datagrid testing) I converted to the Polygrid and can easily generate 1000 columns x 1000 rows of data and it works.
>>
>> So I guess the answer to bug https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23875 is "Use the PolyGrid"
>>
>> On that note, the Datagrid has 2 features I use in this specific case, user column resizing (built into the Polygrid - Yea!) and column sorting (NOT built into the Polygrid - Boo!). So, does anyone have some column sort code for the Polygrid they have written that they might be willing to share?
>>
>> Also, I have filled a Polygrid enhancement request to allow the left column (or the left N columns) to be locked/frozen, so they remain visible when the Polygrid is scrolled horizontally. See https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23880. If you might benefit from this enhancement, please follow the bug or add a comment to that effect.
>>
>>
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From paul at researchware.com  Mon Aug 15 16:12:51 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2022 16:12:51 -0400
Subject: Polygrid sorting
In-Reply-To: <d3e79085-1552-b5fe-9289-99c60976a6a9@researchware.com>
References: <d3e79085-1552-b5fe-9289-99c60976a6a9@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <2d8ff1a2-2f92-6874-cac0-2e568f39f7ce@researchware.com>

So I see that the Summer Bundle of widgets in the store has a note that 
says "Latest update 1.0.19: 11 August 2022"

However, the Download button says "Version 1.0.0". Does anyone know how 
to update the widget set to 1.0.19 or how to update a single widget?



On 8/15/2022 2:29 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
> So, I bought the Summer Bundle. Yes, it is a good deal.
>
> In my case it was primarily for the Polygrid widget. Our application 
> uses a Datagrid to display customer research data. The columns headers 
> are text and the left most column ROWs are test and all other cells 
> are numbers. Some customers can have quite large data sets and I have 
> been running into the number of columns (ad a default width of 100px 
> per column) exceeding a GROUPs 32,767px width maximum (about 327-328 
> columns). At this point the Datagrid just fails - no data is displayed.
>
> I can now attest that a Polygrid (under LC 9.6.8) does not have this 
> limit. I have a "test" stack (for Datagrid testing) I converted to the 
> Polygrid and can easily generate 1000 columns x 1000 rows of data and 
> it works.
>
> So I guess the answer to bug 
> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23875 is "Use the PolyGrid"
>
> On that note, the Datagrid has 2 features I use in this specific case, 
> user column resizing (built into the Polygrid - Yea!) and column 
> sorting (NOT built into the Polygrid - Boo!). So, does anyone have 
> some column sort code for the Polygrid they have written that they 
> might be willing to share?
>
> Also, I have filled a Polygrid enhancement request to allow the left 
> column (or the left N columns) to be locked/frozen, so they remain 
> visible when the Polygrid is scrolled horizontally. See 
> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23880. If you might 
> benefit from this enhancement, please follow the bug or add a comment 
> to that effect.
>
>
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> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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> subscription preferences:
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From paul at researchware.com  Mon Aug 15 16:33:31 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2022 16:33:31 -0400
Subject: Polygrid sorting
In-Reply-To: <94E40C36-74A8-485A-B829-E49118656D2A@gmail.com>
References: <d3e79085-1552-b5fe-9289-99c60976a6a9@researchware.com>
 <94E40C36-74A8-485A-B829-E49118656D2A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9f310ee2-3a16-de25-c4e5-7c108440a38d@researchware.com>

I just tested on macOS Mojave (10.14) on an Intel MacBook Pro and the 
PolyGrid and my sample stack work as expected. Tried 10, 100, and 500 
columns/rows.

Now I have to find the MacBook Air with Monterey and see...


8/15/2022 4:01 PM, Mark Smith via use-livecode wrote:
> Hi Paul,
>
> I downloaded your sample stack, put 100 into the Columns field, heard 3 audible beeps but no data (or PolyGrid) appeared. There is data in the pgcolumnnames and pgdata custom properties (so those values were defined). Its just the grid that did not appear. Thinking it might be my laptop (apple silicon M1) I tried it on an Intel MacBook Pro and got the same result.
>
> I am a big fan of being able to lock top and left-most column/rows of any grid and would happily endorse your request.
>
> Cheers,
> Mark
>



From paul at researchware.com  Mon Aug 15 16:49:47 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2022 16:49:47 -0400
Subject: Polygrid sorting
In-Reply-To: <94E40C36-74A8-485A-B829-E49118656D2A@gmail.com>
References: <d3e79085-1552-b5fe-9289-99c60976a6a9@researchware.com>
 <94E40C36-74A8-485A-B829-E49118656D2A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <dec8fac9-c7fb-deb7-df34-08b31a1229ad@researchware.com>

FYI,

I also just tested on a MacBook Air, M1, running Monterey with LC9.6.8 
and the version 1.0.0 of the Summer Bundle widget packs and the PolyGrid 
and my sample stack displayed for me at 10, 100, and 500 columns and rows.


On 8/15/2022 4:01 PM, Mark Smith via use-livecode wrote:
> Hi Paul,
>
> I downloaded your sample stack, put 100 into the Columns field, heard 3 audible beeps but no data (or PolyGrid) appeared. There is data in the pgcolumnnames and pgdata custom properties (so those values were defined). Its just the grid that did not appear. Thinking it might be my laptop (apple silicon M1) I tried it on an Intel MacBook Pro and got the same result.
>
> I am a big fan of being able to lock top and left-most column/rows of any grid and would happily endorse your request.
>
> Cheers,
> Mark
>



From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Mon Aug 15 16:55:33 2022
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2022 13:55:33 -0700
Subject: Polygrid sorting
In-Reply-To: <2d8ff1a2-2f92-6874-cac0-2e568f39f7ce@researchware.com>
References: <d3e79085-1552-b5fe-9289-99c60976a6a9@researchware.com>
 <2d8ff1a2-2f92-6874-cac0-2e568f39f7ce@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <a5a13c00-45d8-e982-a0c1-631ee43611be@sonic.net>

On 8/15/22 13:12, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
> So I see that the Summer Bundle of widgets in the store has a note that 
> says "Latest update 1.0.19: 11 August 2022"
> 
> However, the Download button says "Version 1.0.0". Does anyone know how 
> to update the widget set to 1.0.19 or how to update a single widget?

Yeah. The versioning is wonky and annoying. Apparently the 1.0.0 version 
is always the most recent.

 From a July 27 comment from Steven Crighton on 
https://livecode.com/polylist-widget-in-the-spotlight/#comment-129572

For the moment you have to update the new widgets manually. To do this, 
first log in to your LiveCode account. In the left hand navigation make 
your way to Products > thirdparty. Scroll down this list to find 
LiveCode Enhancements and download that bundle. Inside the bundle folder 
there is a widgetpackinstaller.livecode file  If you want to update 
everything in your bundle in one go I recommend using that. Simply open 
that stack and click the install button. Note  DataView will now be 
PolyList after you have updated.

I updated once and looks like I'll have to again.

-- 
-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com


From paul at researchware.com  Mon Aug 15 17:02:30 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2022 17:02:30 -0400
Subject: Polygrid sorting
In-Reply-To: <a5a13c00-45d8-e982-a0c1-631ee43611be@sonic.net>
References: <d3e79085-1552-b5fe-9289-99c60976a6a9@researchware.com>
 <2d8ff1a2-2f92-6874-cac0-2e568f39f7ce@researchware.com>
 <a5a13c00-45d8-e982-a0c1-631ee43611be@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <b27c2249-5be6-3113-db0c-37b580a52793@researchware.com>

On 8/15/2022 4:55 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:
> On 8/15/22 13:12, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
>> So I see that the Summer Bundle of widgets in the store has a note 
>> that says "Latest update 1.0.19: 11 August 2022"
>>
>> However, the Download button says "Version 1.0.0". Does anyone know 
>> how to update the widget set to 1.0.19 or how to update a single widget?
>
> Yeah. The versioning is wonky and annoying. Apparently the 1.0.0 
> version is always the most recent.
>
> From a July 27 comment from Steven Crighton on 
> https://livecode.com/polylist-widget-in-the-spotlight/#comment-129572
>
> For the moment you have to update the new widgets manually. To do 
> this, first log in to your LiveCode account. In the left hand 
> navigation make your way to Products > thirdparty. Scroll down this 
> list to find LiveCode Enhancements and download that bundle. Inside 
> the bundle folder there is a widgetpackinstaller.livecode file  If 
> you want to update everything in your bundle in one go I recommend 
> using that. Simply open that stack and click the install button. Note 
>  DataView will now be PolyList after you have updated.
>
> I updated once and looks like I'll have to again.
>

Thank you Mark! (and Steven)


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Aug 15 18:03:57 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2022 22:03:57 +0000
Subject: Shouldn't space or enter in a menu select the hilited item?
In-Reply-To: <12842B27-1D43-4A12-8C8D-47426821E70A@starfirelighting.com>
References: <70A75B95-A73F-448C-86FA-E1BB2FB9731C@iotecdigital.com>
 <12842B27-1D43-4A12-8C8D-47426821E70A@starfirelighting.com>
Message-ID: <005E7EDA-5EEA-474F-A7F7-E190C5767F82@iotecdigital.com>

Hi Craig. It's not a popup menu it's a combo box. I do use popup menus and those work as advertized. 

When I click to expand a combo box menu, it I get the list of items, and if I click an item, it correctly selects that item. If however I use the arrow keys to hilite an item then use the space bar or return to select the hilited item, the hilited item is NOT selected, it retains it's previous label. 

Bob S


> On Aug 15, 2022, at 11:03 , Craig Newman via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi, I was not complete. Once the arrow keys have found the menuItem of interest, clicking Enter or Return executes the menuPick handler.
> 
> Craig
> 
>> On Aug 12, 2022, at 7:37 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all. Very odd, I thought this worked. 
>> 
>> I am programmatically popping up a menu, then I want to be able to jse the arrow keys to traverse the selections available. If I click any of the choices, the menuPick handler gets the choice as the first parameter. If however I use the spacebar or the enterKey to select a choice, the parameter is empty in menuPick! That isn't right, is it??
>> 
>> MacOS 10.15.7 LC 9.6.9 rc1
>> 
>> Bob S
>> 
>> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Aug 15 18:16:45 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2022 22:16:45 +0000
Subject: Shouldn't space or enter in a menu select the hilited item?
In-Reply-To: <005E7EDA-5EEA-474F-A7F7-E190C5767F82@iotecdigital.com>
References: <70A75B95-A73F-448C-86FA-E1BB2FB9731C@iotecdigital.com>
 <12842B27-1D43-4A12-8C8D-47426821E70A@starfirelighting.com>
 <005E7EDA-5EEA-474F-A7F7-E190C5767F82@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <1CB05C5D-C279-4972-939B-D273D4058A76@iotecdigital.com>

I should also mention that menuPick IS getting triggered, but if I use spacebar or return to select, the parameter for which item got picked is empty. If I click then the parameter is NOT empty it's the item I clicked. 

Bob S


> On Aug 15, 2022, at 15:03 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Craig. It's not a popup menu it's a combo box. I do use popup menus and those work as advertized. 
> 
> When I click to expand a combo box menu, it I get the list of items, and if I click an item, it correctly selects that item. If however I use the arrow keys to hilite an item then use the space bar or return to select the hilited item, the hilited item is NOT selected, it retains it's previous label. 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Aug 15, 2022, at 11:03 , Craig Newman via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, I was not complete. Once the arrow keys have found the menuItem of interest, clicking Enter or Return executes the menuPick handler.
>> 
>> Craig
>> 
>>> On Aug 12, 2022, at 7:37 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all. Very odd, I thought this worked. 
>>> 
>>> I am programmatically popping up a menu, then I want to be able to jse the arrow keys to traverse the selections available. If I click any of the choices, the menuPick handler gets the choice as the first parameter. If however I use the spacebar or the enterKey to select a choice, the parameter is empty in menuPick! That isn't right, is it??
>>> 
>>> MacOS 10.15.7 LC 9.6.9 rc1
>>> 
>>> Bob S
>>> 
>>> 
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From alex at tweedly.net  Mon Aug 15 19:22:15 2022
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2022 00:22:15 +0100
Subject: Polygrid sorting (problems)
In-Reply-To: <4bf5092d-5a4c-d27d-d6fb-a9245c6ba728@researchware.com>
References: <d3e79085-1552-b5fe-9289-99c60976a6a9@researchware.com>
 <4bf5092d-5a4c-d27d-d6fb-a9245c6ba728@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <604bd606-eba0-79b0-4090-d777bc4e8aa5@tweedly.net>


On 15/08/2022 20:34, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
> So there is an example of sorting in the PolyGrid documentation under 
> the entry for the MESSAGE "headerClick" and under the entry to the 
> PROPERTY "text" (and in 'the text of me')
>
> The example code only sort the visible rows as "the text of widget X" 
> returns the data of PolyGrid X as tab delimited, WITHOUT the column 
> headers, but ONLY the visible rows.
>
I'm using (I think) the latest version 
(com.livecode.widget.polygrid.1.1.1) and I don't see that problem at all.

Both "the text and "the pgtext" return the entire grid (without headers).

I haven't tried csvdata or tsvdata (they're not listed in the 
dictionary, so I'd tend to avoid them if possible.

And come to think of it - why did they need to invent a new property 
name "pgText" ?  It seems to be a synonym for "the text", so would it 
not have been better to just use that ?  Full consistency with many 
other controls, no added "mental clutter", and "the text" colours nicely 
in the script editor, so more obvious if you mistype it.

Alex.




From alex at tweedly.net  Mon Aug 15 19:25:03 2022
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2022 00:25:03 +0100
Subject: Sorting [was: Polygrid sorting]
Message-ID: <99ac10ee-60a1-ab16-f47e-72a709af317e@tweedly.net>

So it occurred to me, while playing with sorting by columns, that it 
might be nice to have an additional "sortType" available.

I'd like to be able to say

  - if all the 'things' being sorted on are numbers, then sort numeric, 
otherwise sort alphabetical.

Would that be a reasonable enhancement request ?

Would "natural" be a reasonable suggested name ?

Alex.



From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Aug 15 19:30:09 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2022 23:30:09 +0000
Subject: Polygrid sorting (problems)
In-Reply-To: <604bd606-eba0-79b0-4090-d777bc4e8aa5@tweedly.net>
References: <d3e79085-1552-b5fe-9289-99c60976a6a9@researchware.com>
 <4bf5092d-5a4c-d27d-d6fb-a9245c6ba728@researchware.com>
 <604bd606-eba0-79b0-4090-d777bc4e8aa5@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <5130FDB3-F9D2-4CCB-B890-ECCD45745967@iotecdigital.com>

I think they are trying to be consistent with datagrid terminology, perhaps thinking that a tabular data object has become a new class of objects. 

Bob S


> On Aug 15, 2022, at 16:22 , Alex Tweedly via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> On 15/08/2022 20:34, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
>> So there is an example of sorting in the PolyGrid documentation under the entry for the MESSAGE "headerClick" and under the entry to the PROPERTY "text" (and in 'the text of me')
>> 
>> The example code only sort the visible rows as "the text of widget X" returns the data of PolyGrid X as tab delimited, WITHOUT the column headers, but ONLY the visible rows.
>> 
> I'm using (I think) the latest version (com.livecode.widget.polygrid.1.1.1) and I don't see that problem at all.
> 
> Both "the text and "the pgtext" return the entire grid (without headers).
> 
> I haven't tried csvdata or tsvdata (they're not listed in the dictionary, so I'd tend to avoid them if possible.
> 
> And come to think of it - why did they need to invent a new property name "pgText" ?  It seems to be a synonym for "the text", so would it not have been better to just use that ?  Full consistency with many other controls, no added "mental clutter", and "the text" colours nicely in the script editor, so more obvious if you mistype it.
> 
> Alex.
> 
> 
> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Aug 15 19:35:28 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2022 23:35:28 +0000
Subject: Sorting [was: Polygrid sorting]
In-Reply-To: <99ac10ee-60a1-ab16-f47e-72a709af317e@tweedly.net>
References: <99ac10ee-60a1-ab16-f47e-72a709af317e@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <C416B1D7-E108-46B2-9F8D-1880D6629A39@iotecdigital.com>

Datagrids have this feature, so yes, I would expect there to be some way to specify what kind of sort you want to do. But it would have to be on a per column basis. 

But if you are sorting the text yourself, you can use the syntax: sort lines of tText by item n of each.

I don't think any assumptions should be made by the engine as to what kind of data each column contains. I worked with an accounting system many years ago which had numeric invoice numbers, or so it seemed. Once you created a credit memo, it prepended R to the invoice number. 

Bob S


> On Aug 15, 2022, at 16:25 , Alex Tweedly via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> So it occurred to me, while playing with sorting by columns, that it might be nice to have an additional "sortType" available.
> 
> I'd like to be able to say
> 
>  - if all the 'things' being sorted on are numbers, then sort numeric, otherwise sort alphabetical.
> 
> Would that be a reasonable enhancement request ?
> 
> Would "natural" be a reasonable suggested name ?
> 
> Alex.
> 
> 
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From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Mon Aug 15 19:43:12 2022
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2022 16:43:12 -0700
Subject: Polygrid sorting (problems)
In-Reply-To: <604bd606-eba0-79b0-4090-d777bc4e8aa5@tweedly.net>
References: <d3e79085-1552-b5fe-9289-99c60976a6a9@researchware.com>
 <4bf5092d-5a4c-d27d-d6fb-a9245c6ba728@researchware.com>
 <604bd606-eba0-79b0-4090-d777bc4e8aa5@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <a87624e5-dc12-b81e-b99e-e7a92f242243@sonic.net>

On 8/15/22 16:22, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:

> I haven't tried csvdata or tsvdata (they're not listed in the 
> dictionary, so I'd tend to avoid them if possible.

I do see tsvData in the dictionary, but I'm getting weird errors thrown 
from the widget when I try to use it. May still be experimental. There 
aren't any examples and the source isn't available.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com


From paul at researchware.com  Mon Aug 15 19:46:38 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2022 19:46:38 -0400
Subject: Sorting [was: Polygrid sorting]
In-Reply-To: <99ac10ee-60a1-ab16-f47e-72a709af317e@tweedly.net>
References: <99ac10ee-60a1-ab16-f47e-72a709af317e@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <97843037-9ab0-804c-640c-13dc5599bcbf@researchware.com>

Perhaps some expansion of the column "pgContentTypeofColumn" property? 
The current possible values are: 
text|svg-lcname|imagedata|imagefile|color|boolean|autoincrement
Allowing the addition of 'numeric' and 'datetime' would at least allow a 
mapping to sorts although sort support 'international' (perhaps should 
be the default for a polygrid column of type "text" and "binary". I am 
also not sure how svg-iconname, imagedata, imagefile, and color should 
sort. Perhaps svg-iconname should sort as "text". Bolean can sort as 
"text" since ascending puts "false" first and descending puts "true" first.


On 8/15/2022 7:25 PM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:
> So it occurred to me, while playing with sorting by columns, that it 
> might be nice to have an additional "sortType" available.
>
> I'd like to be able to say
>
>  - if all the 'things' being sorted on are numbers, then sort numeric, 
> otherwise sort alphabetical.
>
> Would that be a reasonable enhancement request ?
>
> Would "natural" be a reasonable suggested name ?
>
> Alex.
>
>
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> subscription preferences:
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From paul at researchware.com  Mon Aug 15 19:51:33 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2022 19:51:33 -0400
Subject: Polygrid sorting (problems)
In-Reply-To: <604bd606-eba0-79b0-4090-d777bc4e8aa5@tweedly.net>
References: <d3e79085-1552-b5fe-9289-99c60976a6a9@researchware.com>
 <4bf5092d-5a4c-d27d-d6fb-a9245c6ba728@researchware.com>
 <604bd606-eba0-79b0-4090-d777bc4e8aa5@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <137ebad2-86de-5ead-8921-dac56cc3c9ec@researchware.com>

On 8/15/2022 7:22 PM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:
>
> On 15/08/2022 20:34, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
>> So there is an example of sorting in the PolyGrid documentation under 
>> the entry for the MESSAGE "headerClick" and under the entry to the 
>> PROPERTY "text" (and in 'the text of me')
>>
>> The example code only sort the visible rows as "the text of widget X" 
>> returns the data of PolyGrid X as tab delimited, WITHOUT the column 
>> headers, but ONLY the visible rows.
>>
> I'm using (I think) the latest version 
> (com.livecode.widget.polygrid.1.1.1) and I don't see that problem at all.
>

Okay, a widget ignorant question: How do you tell what version of a 
widget you have installed? (i.e where/how do you see 
com.livecode.widget.polygrid.1.1.1)


From paul at researchware.com  Mon Aug 15 19:59:01 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2022 19:59:01 -0400
Subject: Polygrid sorting (problems)
In-Reply-To: <137ebad2-86de-5ead-8921-dac56cc3c9ec@researchware.com>
References: <d3e79085-1552-b5fe-9289-99c60976a6a9@researchware.com>
 <4bf5092d-5a4c-d27d-d6fb-a9245c6ba728@researchware.com>
 <604bd606-eba0-79b0-4090-d777bc4e8aa5@tweedly.net>
 <137ebad2-86de-5ead-8921-dac56cc3c9ec@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <0fe233f8-3a70-3be7-9e10-691b65e8e305@researchware.com>

On 8/15/2022 7:51 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
> On 8/15/2022 7:22 PM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:
>>
>> On 15/08/2022 20:34, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
>>> So there is an example of sorting in the PolyGrid documentation 
>>> under the entry for the MESSAGE "headerClick" and under the entry to 
>>> the PROPERTY "text" (and in 'the text of me')
>>>
>>> The example code only sort the visible rows as "the text of widget 
>>> X" returns the data of PolyGrid X as tab delimited, WITHOUT the 
>>> column headers, but ONLY the visible rows.
>>>
>> I'm using (I think) the latest version 
>> (com.livecode.widget.polygrid.1.1.1) and I don't see that problem at 
>> all.
>>
>
> Okay, a widget ignorant question: How do you tell what version of a 
> widget you have installed? (i.e where/how do you see 
> com.livecode.widget.polygrid.1.1.1)

Never mind. It is in the file name, com.livecode.widget.polygrid.1.1.1.lce

Also, FYI, regarding you note that:

Both "the text and "the pgtext" return the entire grid (without headers).

I haven't tried csvdata or tsvdata (they're not listed in the 
dictionary, so I'd tend to avoid them if possible.

Under the dictionary entry for "polygrid", I see the csvData and tsvData 
properties listed. The "text" property and the pgData property, but NO 
entry for pgText. It would appear, if the .lce file name is correct, 
that I am at the same version, 1.1.1. I am on Windows 10, under LC 9.6.8


From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Mon Aug 15 20:12:37 2022
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2022 17:12:37 -0700
Subject: Polygrid sorting (problems)
In-Reply-To: <a87624e5-dc12-b81e-b99e-e7a92f242243@sonic.net>
References: <d3e79085-1552-b5fe-9289-99c60976a6a9@researchware.com>
 <4bf5092d-5a4c-d27d-d6fb-a9245c6ba728@researchware.com>
 <604bd606-eba0-79b0-4090-d777bc4e8aa5@tweedly.net>
 <a87624e5-dc12-b81e-b99e-e7a92f242243@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <f6060e9b-772a-ae66-3f6c-c0af786ac521@sonic.net>

On 8/15/22 16:43, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:
> On 8/15/22 16:22, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:
> 
>> I haven't tried csvdata or tsvdata (they're not listed in the 
>> dictionary, so I'd tend to avoid them if possible.
> 
> I do see tsvData in the dictionary, but I'm getting weird errors thrown 
> from the widget when I try to use it. May still be experimental. There 
> aren't any examples and the source isn't available.

Correcting myself, I do see examples in the enhancements folder, they 
just aren't installed. There's also a Plugins/Templates/Default folder 
for various things, but I'm not sure what I'm supposed to do with those, 
if anything. If I use just the examples in the folder then the I can 
manipulate the tsvData and it works. But if I try to generate my own I 
end up throwing weird errors.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com


From marksmithhfx at gmail.com  Tue Aug 16 04:33:49 2022
From: marksmithhfx at gmail.com (Mark Smith)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2022 09:33:49 +0100
Subject: Polygrid sorting
In-Reply-To: <dec8fac9-c7fb-deb7-df34-08b31a1229ad@researchware.com>
References: <d3e79085-1552-b5fe-9289-99c60976a6a9@researchware.com>
 <94E40C36-74A8-485A-B829-E49118656D2A@gmail.com>
 <dec8fac9-c7fb-deb7-df34-08b31a1229ad@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <BC325BEA-FA5D-4E11-9750-4913E5ECCD4A@gmail.com>

Hi Paul,

My bad. I don’t have the polygrid widget installed. I bought the summer bundle but haven’t had time to install or play with it. I will try this afternoon and send feedback later. 

Mark


> On 15 Aug 2022, at 9:49 pm, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> FYI,
> 
> I also just tested on a MacBook Air, M1, running Monterey with LC9.6.8 and the version 1.0.0 of the Summer Bundle widget packs and the PolyGrid and my sample stack displayed for me at 10, 100, and 500 columns and rows.
> 
> 
> On 8/15/2022 4:01 PM, Mark Smith via use-livecode wrote:
>> Hi Paul,
>> 
>> I downloaded your sample stack, put 100 into the Columns field, heard 3 audible beeps but no data (or PolyGrid) appeared. There is data in the pgcolumnnames and pgdata custom properties (so those values were defined). It’s just the grid that did not appear. Thinking it might be my laptop (apple silicon M1) I tried it on an Intel MacBook Pro and got the same result.
>> 
>> I am a big fan of being able to lock top and left-most column/rows of any grid and would happily endorse your request.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Mark
>> 
> 
> 
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From klaus at major-k.de  Tue Aug 16 07:33:20 2022
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2022 13:33:20 +0200
Subject: Separate app for iPad and iPhone?
Message-ID: <77286ACB-5125-4D17-9A2D-DCA55514C443@major-k.de>

Hi all,

after wondering why on earth my former Android stack did not scale 
to fit an iPad screen, I finally found that there is a separate menu item
for "iPad" in the "Standalone Application Setting". 8-)
In (a LOT) earlier versions there was one entry for iPhone AND iPad.

Does that mean that we need to build two separate app for iPad and iPhone
and publish both to the app store nowadays?

Thanks for any hint!


Best

Klaus
--
Klaus Major
https://www.major-k.de
https://www.major-k.de/bass
klaus at major-k.de



From merakosp at gmail.com  Tue Aug 16 08:11:07 2022
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis m)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2022 15:11:07 +0300
Subject: Separate app for iPad and iPhone?
In-Reply-To: <77286ACB-5125-4D17-9A2D-DCA55514C443@major-k.de>
References: <77286ACB-5125-4D17-9A2D-DCA55514C443@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq9jf3QOEk2_3pha9OGHLnw9H9RfwYCOd1jZZDxtKM6F7A@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Klaus,

There is also an option for both ("iPod, iPhone and iPad")

Cheers,
Panos
--

On Tue, 16 Aug 2022 at 14:34, Klaus major-k via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> after wondering why on earth my former Android stack did not scale
> to fit an iPad screen, I finally found that there is a separate menu item
> for "iPad" in the "Standalone Application Setting". 8-)
> In (a LOT) earlier versions there was one entry for iPhone AND iPad.
>
> Does that mean that we need to build two separate app for iPad and iPhone
> and publish both to the app store nowadays?
>
> Thanks for any hint!
>
>
> Best
>
> Klaus
> --
> Klaus Major
> https://www.major-k.de
> https://www.major-k.de/bass
> klaus at major-k.de
>
>
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From klaus at major-k.de  Tue Aug 16 08:17:57 2022
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2022 14:17:57 +0200
Subject: Separate app for iPad and iPhone?
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq9jf3QOEk2_3pha9OGHLnw9H9RfwYCOd1jZZDxtKM6F7A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <77286ACB-5125-4D17-9A2D-DCA55514C443@major-k.de>
 <CA+JfEq9jf3QOEk2_3pha9OGHLnw9H9RfwYCOd1jZZDxtKM6F7A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F014B492-E63E-40FD-9F16-BA03A7FF8EB8@major-k.de>

Hi Panos,

> Am 16.08.2022 um 14:11 schrieb panagiotis m via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Hello Klaus,
> 
> There is also an option for both ("iPod, iPhone and iPad")

oh, yeah, sorry, it is very hot over here in germany... 8-)

> Cheers,
> Panos
> --
> 
> On Tue, 16 Aug 2022 at 14:34, Klaus major-k via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> after wondering why on earth my former Android stack did not scale
>> to fit an iPad screen, I finally found that there is a separate menu item
>> for "iPad" in the "Standalone Application Setting". 8-)
>> In (a LOT) earlier versions there was one entry for iPhone AND iPad.
>> 
>> Does that mean that we need to build two separate app for iPad and iPhone
>> and publish both to the app store nowadays?

Best

Klaus
> 

--
Klaus Major
https://www.major-k.de
https://www.major-k.de/bass
klaus at major-k.de



From craig at starfirelighting.com  Tue Aug 16 08:55:13 2022
From: craig at starfirelighting.com (Craig Newman)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2022 08:55:13 -0400
Subject: Shouldn't space or enter in a menu select the hilited item?
In-Reply-To: <1CB05C5D-C279-4972-939B-D273D4058A76@iotecdigital.com>
References: <70A75B95-A73F-448C-86FA-E1BB2FB9731C@iotecdigital.com>
 <12842B27-1D43-4A12-8C8D-47426821E70A@starfirelighting.com>
 <005E7EDA-5EEA-474F-A7F7-E190C5767F82@iotecdigital.com>
 <1CB05C5D-C279-4972-939B-D273D4058A76@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <6E29CF66-888B-45D5-82CA-25F7B5F1B71D@starfirelighting.com>

Yes, the combo box does not return the “selected” menuItem. Likely something to do with its compound nature.

> On Aug 15, 2022, at 6:16 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I should also mention that menuPick IS getting triggered, but if I use spacebar or return to select, the parameter for which item got picked is empty. If I click then the parameter is NOT empty it's the item I clicked. 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Aug 15, 2022, at 15:03 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Craig. It's not a popup menu it's a combo box. I do use popup menus and those work as advertized. 
>> 
>> When I click to expand a combo box menu, it I get the list of items, and if I click an item, it correctly selects that item. If however I use the arrow keys to hilite an item then use the space bar or return to select the hilited item, the hilited item is NOT selected, it retains it's previous label. 
>> 
>> Bob S
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 15, 2022, at 11:03 , Craig Newman via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi, I was not complete. Once the arrow keys have found the menuItem of interest, clicking Enter or Return executes the menuPick handler.
>>> 
>>> Craig
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 12, 2022, at 7:37 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi all. Very odd, I thought this worked. 
>>>> 
>>>> I am programmatically popping up a menu, then I want to be able to jse the arrow keys to traverse the selections available. If I click any of the choices, the menuPick handler gets the choice as the first parameter. If however I use the spacebar or the enterKey to select a choice, the parameter is empty in menuPick! That isn't right, is it??
>>>> 
>>>> MacOS 10.15.7 LC 9.6.9 rc1
>>>> 
>>>> Bob S
>>>> 
>>>> 
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From craig at starfirelighting.com  Tue Aug 16 08:55:48 2022
From: craig at starfirelighting.com (Craig Newman)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2022 08:55:48 -0400
Subject: Shouldn't space or enter in a menu select the hilited item?
In-Reply-To: <1CB05C5D-C279-4972-939B-D273D4058A76@iotecdigital.com>
References: <70A75B95-A73F-448C-86FA-E1BB2FB9731C@iotecdigital.com>
 <12842B27-1D43-4A12-8C8D-47426821E70A@starfirelighting.com>
 <005E7EDA-5EEA-474F-A7F7-E190C5767F82@iotecdigital.com>
 <1CB05C5D-C279-4972-939B-D273D4058A76@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <8B587310-68C0-4A59-84C2-946C856636E4@starfirelighting.com>

Bob.

You can always roll your own,

Craig

> On Aug 15, 2022, at 6:16 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I should also mention that menuPick IS getting triggered, but if I use spacebar or return to select, the parameter for which item got picked is empty. If I click then the parameter is NOT empty it's the item I clicked. 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Aug 15, 2022, at 15:03 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Craig. It's not a popup menu it's a combo box. I do use popup menus and those work as advertized. 
>> 
>> When I click to expand a combo box menu, it I get the list of items, and if I click an item, it correctly selects that item. If however I use the arrow keys to hilite an item then use the space bar or return to select the hilited item, the hilited item is NOT selected, it retains it's previous label. 
>> 
>> Bob S
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 15, 2022, at 11:03 , Craig Newman via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi, I was not complete. Once the arrow keys have found the menuItem of interest, clicking Enter or Return executes the menuPick handler.
>>> 
>>> Craig
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 12, 2022, at 7:37 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi all. Very odd, I thought this worked. 
>>>> 
>>>> I am programmatically popping up a menu, then I want to be able to jse the arrow keys to traverse the selections available. If I click any of the choices, the menuPick handler gets the choice as the first parameter. If however I use the spacebar or the enterKey to select a choice, the parameter is empty in menuPick! That isn't right, is it??
>>>> 
>>>> MacOS 10.15.7 LC 9.6.9 rc1
>>>> 
>>>> Bob S
>>>> 
>>>> 
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From marksmithhfx at gmail.com  Tue Aug 16 09:18:30 2022
From: marksmithhfx at gmail.com (Mark Smith)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2022 14:18:30 +0100
Subject: Polygrid sorting
In-Reply-To: <304471d6-fcd0-2157-fd49-845f83d8315c@researchware.com>
References: <d3e79085-1552-b5fe-9289-99c60976a6a9@researchware.com>
 <94E40C36-74A8-485A-B829-E49118656D2A@gmail.com>
 <304471d6-fcd0-2157-fd49-845f83d8315c@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <32D3639F-A2C6-42F2-A9FE-00E6D60E628A@gmail.com>

I downloaded and installed the widget, it works (very well) now :) 

> On 15 Aug 2022, at 9:10 pm, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Okay, I built the stack and tested it under Windows 10. The 3 beeps are intentional. It is to let me know when it is done as some test with 500+ columns/rows takes a while. It does display under LC9.6.8 (64 bit) on Windows 10.
> 
> Now I have to go try it on macOS?
> 
> 
> 
> On 8/15/2022 4:01 PM, Mark Smith via use-livecode wrote:
>> Hi Paul,
>> 
>> I downloaded your sample stack, put 100 into the Columns field, heard 3 audible beeps but no data (or PolyGrid) appeared. There is data in the pgcolumnnames and pgdata custom properties (so those values were defined). It’s just the grid that did not appear. Thinking it might be my laptop (apple silicon M1) I tried it on an Intel MacBook Pro and got the same result.
>> 
>> I am a big fan of being able to lock top and left-most column/rows of any grid and would happily endorse your request.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Mark
>> 
>>> On 15 Aug 2022, at 7:29 pm, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> So, I bought the Summer Bundle. Yes, it is a good deal.
>>> 
>>> In my case it was primarily for the Polygrid widget. Our application uses a Datagrid to display customer research data. The columns headers are text and the left most column ROWs are test and all other cells are numbers. Some customers can have quite large data sets and I have been running into the number of columns (ad a default width of 100px per column) exceeding a GROUPs 32,767px width maximum (about 327-328 columns). At this point the Datagrid just fails - no data is displayed.
>>> 
>>> I can now attest that a Polygrid (under LC 9.6.8) does not have this limit. I have a "test" stack (for Datagrid testing) I converted to the Polygrid and can easily generate 1000 columns x 1000 rows of data and it works.
>>> 
>>> So I guess the answer to bug https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23875 is "Use the PolyGrid"
>>> 
>>> On that note, the Datagrid has 2 features I use in this specific case, user column resizing (built into the Polygrid - Yea!) and column sorting (NOT built into the Polygrid - Boo!). So, does anyone have some column sort code for the Polygrid they have written that they might be willing to share?
>>> 
>>> Also, I have filled a Polygrid enhancement request to allow the left column (or the left N columns) to be locked/frozen, so they remain visible when the Polygrid is scrolled horizontally. See https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23880. If you might benefit from this enhancement, please follow the bug or add a comment to that effect.
>>> 
>>> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Aug 16 11:08:15 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2022 15:08:15 +0000
Subject: Shouldn't space or enter in a menu select the hilited item?
In-Reply-To: <8B587310-68C0-4A59-84C2-946C856636E4@starfirelighting.com>
References: <70A75B95-A73F-448C-86FA-E1BB2FB9731C@iotecdigital.com>
 <12842B27-1D43-4A12-8C8D-47426821E70A@starfirelighting.com>
 <005E7EDA-5EEA-474F-A7F7-E190C5767F82@iotecdigital.com>
 <1CB05C5D-C279-4972-939B-D273D4058A76@iotecdigital.com>
 <8B587310-68C0-4A59-84C2-946C856636E4@starfirelighting.com>
Message-ID: <FCBFA170-FB13-4D02-96CB-E09089EBE847@iotecdigital.com>

Thanks Craig for confirming, I will put in an enhancement request FWIW. 

Bob S


> On Aug 16, 2022, at 05:55 , Craig Newman via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Bob.
> 
> You can always roll your own,
> 
> Craig



From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Aug 16 11:19:55 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2022 15:19:55 +0000
Subject: Shouldn't space or enter in a menu select the hilited item?
In-Reply-To: <FCBFA170-FB13-4D02-96CB-E09089EBE847@iotecdigital.com>
References: <70A75B95-A73F-448C-86FA-E1BB2FB9731C@iotecdigital.com>
 <12842B27-1D43-4A12-8C8D-47426821E70A@starfirelighting.com>
 <005E7EDA-5EEA-474F-A7F7-E190C5767F82@iotecdigital.com>
 <1CB05C5D-C279-4972-939B-D273D4058A76@iotecdigital.com>
 <8B587310-68C0-4A59-84C2-946C856636E4@starfirelighting.com>
 <FCBFA170-FB13-4D02-96CB-E09089EBE847@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <96DA5143-E316-4D46-B0E1-B2F47CA12432@iotecdigital.com>

Bug 23884<https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23884>

Bob S


On Aug 16, 2022, at 08:08 , Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com<mailto:bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com>> wrote:

Thanks Craig for confirming, I will put in an enhancement request FWIW.

Bob S


On Aug 16, 2022, at 05:55 , Craig Newman via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com<mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:

Bob.

You can always roll your own,

Craig



From paul at researchware.com  Wed Aug 17 13:38:50 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2022 13:38:50 -0400
Subject: the effective width of a stack?
Message-ID: <5fe0f420-2869-e8a5-027e-e926becf42d1@researchware.com>

I can across some old code where I an referring to

if (the effective width of stack X > someValue) then

This code produces no errors and works. However, I was just trying to 
look up 'effective width' to see exactly what it was doing in the 
Livecode 9.6.8 Dictionary and struck out!

Under the 'effective' entry in the 9.6.8 Dictionary, 'width' is not 
listed as an inherited property that 'effective' can be used with. Under 
'width' it is not listed. If I look at the entry to the 'stack' object, 
I find 'width' but that just takes me to the entry for 'width'

Am I imagining something, OR is there such a thing as 'effective width' 
and if so, where the heck is it documented?

PS. I thought the width of a stack (or window) vs the effective width 
was teh difference between the inner dimensions of the stack (the card 
size) and the size  of the stack with borders and titlebar (outer 
dimensions). I forget which is which and, again, can not find it 
documented! Also, I thought that contrary to the Dictionary entry to the 
'effective' keyword, you could SET the 'effective width' of a 
stack/window to change the size of the outer dimensions(?)

I'd appreciate any pointers to where effective width or effective height 
of a stack is documented.




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Aug 17 13:45:24 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2022 17:45:24 +0000
Subject: the effective width of a stack?
In-Reply-To: <5fe0f420-2869-e8a5-027e-e926becf42d1@researchware.com>
References: <5fe0f420-2869-e8a5-027e-e926becf42d1@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <CA2B2267-1C34-45E6-A30B-2164C5325B71@iotecdigital.com>

The effective keyword can be used with the following inherited properties :

	• backgroundColor property
	• backgroundPattern property
	• backgroundPixel property
	• bottomColor property
	• bottomPattern property
	• bottomPixel property
	• focusColor property
	• focusPattern property
	• focusPixel property
	• foregroundColor property
	• foregroundPattern property
	• foregroundPixel property
	• hiliteColor property
	• hilitePattern property
	• hilitePixel property
	• topColor property
	• topPattern property
	• topPixel property
	• shadowColor property
	• shadowPattern property
	• shadowPixel property
	• textFont property
	• textHeight property
	• textSize property
	• textStyle property
	• filename of stack property
	• rectangle property
	• layerMode property

I don't see "width" there. You have to use rect then do the math. 

Bob S

> On Aug 17, 2022, at 10:38 , Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I can across some old code where I an referring to
> 
> if (the effective width of stack X > someValue) then
> 
> This code produces no errors and works. However, I was just trying to look up 'effective width' to see exactly what it was doing in the Livecode 9.6.8 Dictionary and struck out!


From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Wed Aug 17 13:58:58 2022
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2022 10:58:58 -0700
Subject: the effective width of a stack?
In-Reply-To: <5fe0f420-2869-e8a5-027e-e926becf42d1@researchware.com>
References: <5fe0f420-2869-e8a5-027e-e926becf42d1@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <14f892ba-ed9e-1958-9e34-0c1d7e432881@sonic.net>

On 8/17/22 10:38, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:

> I'd appreciate any pointers to where effective width or effective height 
> of a stack is documented.

You can't use "effective" with custom properties either.
https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23557

You *can* set the effective rect of a stack, although you may not get 
the result you expect.
https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16305

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Aug 17 14:09:21 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2022 18:09:21 +0000
Subject: the effective width of a stack?
In-Reply-To: <14f892ba-ed9e-1958-9e34-0c1d7e432881@sonic.net>
References: <5fe0f420-2869-e8a5-027e-e926becf42d1@researchware.com>
 <14f892ba-ed9e-1958-9e34-0c1d7e432881@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <DEB82872-3C8D-477F-BCFB-022BE8B36B3F@iotecdigital.com>

I think this is why some time ago when I was trying to save and restore the position of windows I ran into the creeping window issue where the top of the window kept creepign up each time I opened it. 

Bob S


> On Aug 17, 2022, at 10:58 , Mark Wieder via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> You *can* set the effective rect of a stack, although you may not get the result you expect.
> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16305
> 
> -- 
> Mark Wieder
> ahsoftware at gmail.com



From dougr at telus.net  Wed Aug 17 14:45:36 2022
From: dougr at telus.net (Douglas A. Ruisaard)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2022 11:45:36 -0700
Subject: issue related to Print.PrintSupport.Source.dll
Message-ID: <059601d8b269$8a8aebe0$9fa0c3a0$@telus.net>

There was a flurry of discussions on the LC forum
https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=9
<https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=36870&start=45>
&t=36870&start=45) in April to July regarding errors occurring involving
Print.PrintSupport.Source.dll.

 

I will post on the forum as well but was wondering if anyone (including the
Mothership) has had similar problems and if solution(s) have been found.
The forum discussions seems to have ended with "some" possible solutions
but, in my reading, nothing definitive.  Like the discussions on the forum
*some* of my clients are experiencing this error but MANY are not. weird.

 

Douglas Ruisaard


From paul at researchware.com  Wed Aug 17 15:46:08 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2022 15:46:08 -0400
Subject: the effective width of a stack?
In-Reply-To: <14f892ba-ed9e-1958-9e34-0c1d7e432881@sonic.net>
References: <5fe0f420-2869-e8a5-027e-e926becf42d1@researchware.com>
 <14f892ba-ed9e-1958-9e34-0c1d7e432881@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <ee32b90a-c3c7-a5fe-f778-f521a862ee34@researchware.com>

On 8/17/2022 1:58 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:
> On 8/17/22 10:38, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
>
>> I'd appreciate any pointers to where effective width or effective 
>> height of a stack is documented.
>
> You can't use "effective" with custom properties either.
> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23557
>
> You *can* set the effective rect of a stack, although you may not get 
> the result you expect.
> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16305
>

I now remember bug 16305. Mark entered it based on a list discussion 
where I reported it. Hence my comments on it. I now use Panos's 
workaround (in fact my code base is riddled with "work-arounds"), but 
there seem to be a (limited) consensus that on Windows 10, the effective 
rect should only factor in VISIBLE border elements, not INVISIBLE ones. 
I still wish they would fix it.

That all said, where is effective width/heigh/rect of a stack/window 
documented in the Dictionary? The 'effective rect' and other 'effective' 
dimension properties of a stack/window are important for multiple window 
positioning, resizing, alignment, and more and should be in teh 
Dictionary. ALSO, as the 1 exception to the "you can not SET 'effective' 
things rule, that should definitely be documented.

I'll file a documentation bug report, but I don't want to file one just 
to find out I looked under the 'wrong' place.

Paul Dupuis
Researchware


From paul at researchware.com  Wed Aug 17 15:51:51 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2022 15:51:51 -0400
Subject: AW: Polygrid sorting (problems)
In-Reply-To: <4bf5092d-5a4c-d27d-d6fb-a9245c6ba728@researchware.com>
References: <d3e79085-1552-b5fe-9289-99c60976a6a9@researchware.com>
 <4bf5092d-5a4c-d27d-d6fb-a9245c6ba728@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <7196ee9c-c1a7-2b8e-df50-33fb48aed57a@researchware.com>

BTW the problem of:
the text of widget X
the csvData of widget X
the tsvData of widget X
AND (not in the Livecode 9.6.8 Dictionary for PolyGrid 1.1.1)
the pgText of widget X
ALL not returning the full data for a PolyGrid widget is a confirmed bug:

See https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23886



On 8/15/2022 3:34 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
> So there is an example of sorting in the PolyGrid documentation under 
> the entry for the MESSAGE "headerClick" and under the entry to the 
> PROPERTY "text" (and in 'the text of me')
>
> The example code only sort the visible rows as "the text of widget X" 
> returns the data of PolyGrid X as tab delimited, WITHOUT the column 
> headers, but ONLY the visible rows.
>
> So, what to use for sorting all the data in a PolyGrid by a particular 
> column?
>
> The tsvData of widget X (and csvData, and Text) doesn't seem to work. 
> The all seems to only get the visible data (rows). Only the pgData of 
> widget return the whole dataset of the PolyGrid. Is this the way these 
> properties are supposed to work?
>
> If that is how text, csvData, and tsvData are supposed to work 
> (returning only the visible rows), then the sort example in the 
> PolyGrid documentation require updating otherwise these properties 
> require updating!
>
>
>
> On 8/15/2022 2:29 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
>> So, I bought the Summer Bundle. Yes, it is a good deal.
>>
>> In my case it was primarily for the Polygrid widget. Our application 
>> uses a Datagrid to display customer research data. The columns 
>> headers are text and the left most column ROWs are test and all other 
>> cells are numbers. Some customers can have quite large data sets and 
>> I have been running into the number of columns (ad a default width of 
>> 100px per column) exceeding a GROUPs 32,767px width maximum (about 
>> 327-328 columns). At this point the Datagrid just fails - no data is 
>> displayed.
>>
>> I can now attest that a Polygrid (under LC 9.6.8) does not have this 
>> limit. I have a "test" stack (for Datagrid testing) I converted to 
>> the Polygrid and can easily generate 1000 columns x 1000 rows of data 
>> and it works.
>>
>> So I guess the answer to bug 
>> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23875 is "Use the PolyGrid"
>>
>> On that note, the Datagrid has 2 features I use in this specific 
>> case, user column resizing (built into the Polygrid - Yea!) and 
>> column sorting (NOT built into the Polygrid - Boo!). So, does anyone 
>> have some column sort code for the Polygrid they have written that 
>> they might be willing to share?
>>
>> Also, I have filled a Polygrid enhancement request to allow the left 
>> column (or the left N columns) to be locked/frozen, so they remain 
>> visible when the Polygrid is scrolled horizontally. See 
>> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23880. If you might 
>> benefit from this enhancement, please follow the bug or add a comment 
>> to that effect.
>>
>>
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From paul at researchware.com  Wed Aug 17 17:52:08 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2022 17:52:08 -0400
Subject: the effective width of a stack?
In-Reply-To: <5fe0f420-2869-e8a5-027e-e926becf42d1@researchware.com>
References: <5fe0f420-2869-e8a5-027e-e926becf42d1@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <ff2592e9-d0d7-3bf6-c69c-80918639c521@researchware.com>

On 8/17/2022 1:38 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
> I can across some old code where I an referring to
>
> if (the effective width of stack X > someValue) then
>
> This code produces no errors and works. However, I was just trying to 
> look up 'effective width' to see exactly what it was doing in the 
> Livecode 9.6.8 Dictionary and struck out!
>
> Under the 'effective' entry in the 9.6.8 Dictionary, 'width' is not 
> listed as an inherited property that 'effective' can be used with. 
> Under 'width' it is not listed. If I look at the entry to the 'stack' 
> object, I find 'width' but that just takes me to the entry for 'width'
>
> Am I imagining something, OR is there such a thing as 'effective 
> width' and if so, where the heck is it documented?
>
> PS. I thought the width of a stack (or window) vs the effective width 
> was teh difference between the inner dimensions of the stack (the card 
> size) and the size  of the stack with borders and titlebar (outer 
> dimensions). I forget which is which and, again, can not find it 
> documented! Also, I thought that contrary to the Dictionary entry to 
> the 'effective' keyword, you could SET the 'effective width' of a 
> stack/window to change the size of the outer dimensions(?)
>
> I'd appreciate any pointers to where effective width or effective 
> height of a stack is documented.

So testing shows that (in LC 9.6.8 at any rate) the following STACK 
properties can use the effective keyword:
height
width
rect (or rectangle)
left
right
top
bottom
topLeft
topRight
bottomLeft
bottomRight

and, indeed, the different between the property and the effective 
property is the property (inside dimensions) and effective property 
(outside dimensions)

The "effective" keyword is ONLY documented with the rect/rectangle 
property in the Dictionary and not for any other dimensional properties, 
even though they work as expected (well except for Window 10: 
https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16305)

It also appears (from testing) that you can set the effective rect (as 
documented in the rect Dictionary entry) and set the effective width or 
the effective height (not documented in the Dictionary). I have not yet 
tried setting the "effective" form of the remaining dimensional 
properties (top, left, topLeft, etc.)



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Aug 17 18:02:38 2022
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2022 17:02:38 -0500
Subject: issue related to Print.PrintSupport.Source.dll
In-Reply-To: <059601d8b269$8a8aebe0$9fa0c3a0$@telus.net>
References: <059601d8b269$8a8aebe0$9fa0c3a0$@telus.net>
Message-ID: <e3a9ea0f-ffd6-f4d8-154a-4556a586fda0@hyperactivesw.com>

The suggested fix in the bug report has worked for us:

https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23659

Basically, delete the driver that comes with Windows and get the driver from Epson. Most of the 
problems seem to be with Epson printers but if your customers have a different printer, try 
that OEM driver.

We had one instance where the user didn't have a printer at all, but just deleting the Epson 
driver fixed it.

On 8/17/22 1:45 PM, Douglas A. Ruisaard via use-livecode wrote:
> There was a flurry of discussions on the LC forum
> https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=9
> <https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=36870&start=45>
> &t=36870&start=45) in April to July regarding errors occurring involving
> Print.PrintSupport.Source.dll.
> 
>   
> 
> I will post on the forum as well but was wondering if anyone (including the
> Mothership) has had similar problems and if solution(s) have been found.
> The forum discussions seems to have ended with "some" possible solutions
> but, in my reading, nothing definitive.  Like the discussions on the forum
> *some* of my clients are experiencing this error but MANY are not. weird.
> 
>   
> 
> Douglas Ruisaard
> 
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HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Wed Aug 17 19:27:46 2022
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2022 16:27:46 -0700
Subject: issue related to Print.PrintSupport.Source.dll
In-Reply-To: <e3a9ea0f-ffd6-f4d8-154a-4556a586fda0@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <059601d8b269$8a8aebe0$9fa0c3a0$@telus.net>
 <e3a9ea0f-ffd6-f4d8-154a-4556a586fda0@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <52cef82a-8d8e-223e-c6e0-0d54d0daf146@sonic.net>

On 8/17/22 15:02, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:

> We had one instance where the user didn't have a printer at all, but 
> just deleting the Epson driver fixed it.

\_()_/

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com


From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Wed Aug 17 21:02:37 2022
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2022 21:02:37 -0400
Subject: i wonder what other widgets i'm missing
Message-ID: <CADCoycPHvmNRKD4pz1VbersvxrnN7Fj3Nr5rM=tAOhGsCf5DCg@mail.gmail.com>

I bought the megabundle and installed the widgets.
Then I started checking out the signature widget, and discover that some of
you have been using it for four years. I didn't even know it existed before
today, and I have a Business license (I also had not been aware of the
polylist/polygrids before the megabundle)
So now I'm wondering
a) what other widgets i'm missing
b) since the widget store is kind of sparse, if there are other places to
look for LC toys, especially widgets?

-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."

From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Thu Aug 18 10:42:48 2022
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2022 10:42:48 -0400
Subject: polylist toys
Message-ID: <CADCoycMNLgDFW2fy8cDuXcgRBJ_vo1CvwHB+rPiPLz9dqGL5Vg@mail.gmail.com>

fiddling with polylist examples, and i noticed in the "lazyLoadOnlineImage"
example that I can trigger an error just by opening it and tapping
"populate"
can anyone else confirm?

-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."

From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Aug 18 11:28:20 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2022 15:28:20 +0000
Subject: issue related to Print.PrintSupport.Source.dll
In-Reply-To: <52cef82a-8d8e-223e-c6e0-0d54d0daf146@sonic.net>
References: <059601d8b269$8a8aebe0$9fa0c3a0$@telus.net>
 <e3a9ea0f-ffd6-f4d8-154a-4556a586fda0@hyperactivesw.com>
 <52cef82a-8d8e-223e-c6e0-0d54d0daf146@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <34168E63-E3FF-4D62-ADB4-BB2CC54108EF@iotecdigital.com>

Not unheard of. Some years back we discovered that if the HP Universal Print Driver had been installed, Toshiba drivers would not work at all. We had to uninstall the HP Universal Driver and replace it with the model-specific driver. 

Bob S

> On Aug 17, 2022, at 16:27 , Mark Wieder via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> On 8/17/22 15:02, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
> 
>> We had one instance where the user didn't have a printer at all, but just deleting the Epson driver fixed it.
> 
> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
> 
> -- 
> Mark Wieder
> ahsoftware at gmail.com
> 
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From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Thu Aug 18 11:48:02 2022
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2022 08:48:02 -0700
Subject: polylist toys
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycMNLgDFW2fy8cDuXcgRBJ_vo1CvwHB+rPiPLz9dqGL5Vg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycMNLgDFW2fy8cDuXcgRBJ_vo1CvwHB+rPiPLz9dqGL5Vg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2b80b8a7-6658-2d6b-61fe-2d649167bb81@sonic.net>

On 8/18/22 07:42, Mike Kerner via use-livecode wrote:
> fiddling with polylist examples, and i noticed in the "lazyLoadOnlineImage"
> example that I can trigger an error just by opening it and tapping
> "populate"
> can anyone else confirm?
> 

Yep. The polylist continually throws ridiculous errors at me.
(=E:/Projects/GitHub/LiveCode-LTD/summer-mega-bundle/src/PolyList/PolyList.lcb). 
And that's at line 2791 (unable to get image geometry) but the source is 
locked so there's nothing more to do.

Also, the versioning thing is out of hand. I just downloaded version 
1.0.0 of the bundle (again!) because I got a bugzilla notice that there 
was a fix in the new version. So I now have v1.0.21 of the enhancements 
packaged in a 1.0.0 zip file, and I see that half a dozen extensions 
have been updated since the last time I downloaded 1.0.0. And there was 
no notification that anything had been updated/fixed/whatever. If it 
hadn't been for the comment Panos put into bugzilla how is anyone 
supposed to know that things have been updated?

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com


From steven.crighton at livecode.com  Thu Aug 18 12:34:08 2022
From: steven.crighton at livecode.com (Steven Crighton)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2022 17:34:08 +0100
Subject: polylist toys
Message-ID: <E90BE055-1AA2-4D85-85A5-25A8F7C52FD6@livecode.com>

Hi Mike, 

I just tested the lazy load example and hit populate and clicked around etc and could not trigger an error.

Can you let me know what the error was? 

I would say just to double check that are you are using the most recent version. I understand that we need to make some improvements regarding the notification of updates on these new widgets and we will do that. In the meantime we have implemented a last updated date in the my account area, so it’s well worth checking in on that from time to time to see if there is a new update available. 

Thanks
Steven

From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Thu Aug 18 12:55:55 2022
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2022 09:55:55 -0700
Subject: polylist toys
In-Reply-To: <E90BE055-1AA2-4D85-85A5-25A8F7C52FD6@livecode.com>
References: <E90BE055-1AA2-4D85-85A5-25A8F7C52FD6@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <0c12a2c5-25e3-9e01-141a-d37c79629c67@sonic.net>

On 8/18/22 09:34, Steven Crighton via use-livecode wrote:
> Hi Mike,
> 
> I just tested the lazy load example and hit populate and clicked around etc and could not trigger an error.
> 
> Can you let me know what the error was?
> 

See my previous email.


-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com


From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Thu Aug 18 13:27:22 2022
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2022 13:27:22 -0400
Subject: polylist toys
In-Reply-To: <0c12a2c5-25e3-9e01-141a-d37c79629c67@sonic.net>
References: <E90BE055-1AA2-4D85-85A5-25A8F7C52FD6@livecode.com>
 <0c12a2c5-25e3-9e01-141a-d37c79629c67@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <CADCoycM7+L4qiXVfybGKDnbdEXrLrYKBi4=8ZDPcND6ceRM-kg@mail.gmail.com>

Steven,
I also emailed Panos: I think it would be good to have a few of the
LCG22/23 sessions cover some of the widgets. The documentation is kind-of
thin, and I'm already stacking questions like:
* polygrid/list vs. datagrid
* much of the discussion is regarding web deployment, but at least for me,
mobile is the important platform, so there should be more discussion about
that
* is there widget source somewhere, or are we going to have to rfq LC if we
would like to request some enhancements? example: for the power button,
maybe instead of a border at the edge, i'd like to be able to inset it.

On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 12:57 PM Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> On 8/18/22 09:34, Steven Crighton via use-livecode wrote:
> > Hi Mike,
> >
> > I just tested the lazy load example and hit populate and clicked around
> etc and could not trigger an error.
> >
> > Can you let me know what the error was?
> >
>
> See my previous email.
>
>
> --
>   Mark Wieder
>   ahsoftware at gmail.com
>
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On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."

From brian at milby7.com  Thu Aug 18 13:34:19 2022
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2022 13:34:19 -0400
Subject: polylist toys
In-Reply-To: <2b80b8a7-6658-2d6b-61fe-2d649167bb81@sonic.net>
References: <2b80b8a7-6658-2d6b-61fe-2d649167bb81@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <E79DC583-26BF-49B0-8AC3-D80034A299D3@milby7.com>

I just rename the zip file when I download it :)

But yes, only way to know currently is to log in and check the version/date.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 18, 2022, at 11:49 AM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> On 8/18/22 07:42, Mike Kerner via use-livecode wrote:
>> fiddling with polylist examples, and i noticed in the "lazyLoadOnlineImage"
>> example that I can trigger an error just by opening it and tapping
>> "populate"
>> can anyone else confirm?
> 
> Yep. The polylist continually throws ridiculous errors at me.
> (=E:/Projects/GitHub/LiveCode-LTD/summer-mega-bundle/src/PolyList/PolyList.lcb). And that's at line 2791 (unable to get image geometry) but the source is locked so there's nothing more to do.
> 
> Also, the versioning thing is out of hand. I just downloaded version 1.0.0 of the bundle (again!) because I got a bugzilla notice that there was a fix in the new version. So I now have v1.0.21 of the enhancements packaged in a 1.0.0 zip file, and I see that half a dozen extensions have been updated since the last time I downloaded 1.0.0. And there was no notification that anything had been updated/fixed/whatever. If it hadn't been for the comment Panos put into bugzilla how is anyone supposed to know that things have been updated?
> 
> -- 
> Mark Wieder
> ahsoftware at gmail.com
> 
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From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Thu Aug 18 13:36:06 2022
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2022 13:36:06 -0400
Subject: polylist toys
In-Reply-To: <E79DC583-26BF-49B0-8AC3-D80034A299D3@milby7.com>
References: <2b80b8a7-6658-2d6b-61fe-2d649167bb81@sonic.net>
 <E79DC583-26BF-49B0-8AC3-D80034A299D3@milby7.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycPrDdrpx+eT+7=tNkN14VDP8mf+5XwnL2JGxg-0Ki0huw@mail.gmail.com>

I am not aware of a place to check the version/date. I received a link for
the download, and I don't see the download as a separate item in my account

On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 1:35 PM Brian Milby via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I just rename the zip file when I download it :)
>
> But yes, only way to know currently is to log in and check the
> version/date.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Aug 18, 2022, at 11:49 AM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > On 8/18/22 07:42, Mike Kerner via use-livecode wrote:
> >> fiddling with polylist examples, and i noticed in the
> "lazyLoadOnlineImage"
> >> example that I can trigger an error just by opening it and tapping
> >> "populate"
> >> can anyone else confirm?
> >
> > Yep. The polylist continually throws ridiculous errors at me.
> >
> (=E:/Projects/GitHub/LiveCode-LTD/summer-mega-bundle/src/PolyList/PolyList.lcb).
> And that's at line 2791 (unable to get image geometry) but the source is
> locked so there's nothing more to do.
> >
> > Also, the versioning thing is out of hand. I just downloaded version
> 1.0.0 of the bundle (again!) because I got a bugzilla notice that there was
> a fix in the new version. So I now have v1.0.21 of the enhancements
> packaged in a 1.0.0 zip file, and I see that half a dozen extensions have
> been updated since the last time I downloaded 1.0.0. And there was no
> notification that anything had been updated/fixed/whatever. If it hadn't
> been for the comment Panos put into bugzilla how is anyone supposed to know
> that things have been updated?
> >
> > --
> > Mark Wieder
> > ahsoftware at gmail.com
> >
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On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."

From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Thu Aug 18 13:40:18 2022
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2022 13:40:18 -0400
Subject: polylist toys
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycPrDdrpx+eT+7=tNkN14VDP8mf+5XwnL2JGxg-0Ki0huw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2b80b8a7-6658-2d6b-61fe-2d649167bb81@sonic.net>
 <E79DC583-26BF-49B0-8AC3-D80034A299D3@milby7.com>
 <CADCoycPrDdrpx+eT+7=tNkN14VDP8mf+5XwnL2JGxg-0Ki0huw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycODVpcTsutfr+NHT0N8m+M8WU4Hs4zrN-WxptfY9an1rA@mail.gmail.com>

after hitting the link, again, I got 1_0_21
The error is the same:

 executing at 1:39:25 PM

LCB Error Unable to get image geometry.

Object PolyList

LCB File
E:/Projects/GitHub/LiveCode-LTD/summer-mega-bundle/src/PolyList/PolyList.lcb

LCB Line 2791

On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 1:36 PM Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com>
wrote:

> I am not aware of a place to check the version/date. I received a link for
> the download, and I don't see the download as a separate item in my account
>
> On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 1:35 PM Brian Milby via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> I just rename the zip file when I download it :)
>>
>> But yes, only way to know currently is to log in and check the
>> version/date.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On Aug 18, 2022, at 11:49 AM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > On 8/18/22 07:42, Mike Kerner via use-livecode wrote:
>> >> fiddling with polylist examples, and i noticed in the
>> "lazyLoadOnlineImage"
>> >> example that I can trigger an error just by opening it and tapping
>> >> "populate"
>> >> can anyone else confirm?
>> >
>> > Yep. The polylist continually throws ridiculous errors at me.
>> >
>> (=E:/Projects/GitHub/LiveCode-LTD/summer-mega-bundle/src/PolyList/PolyList.lcb).
>> And that's at line 2791 (unable to get image geometry) but the source is
>> locked so there's nothing more to do.
>> >
>> > Also, the versioning thing is out of hand. I just downloaded version
>> 1.0.0 of the bundle (again!) because I got a bugzilla notice that there was
>> a fix in the new version. So I now have v1.0.21 of the enhancements
>> packaged in a 1.0.0 zip file, and I see that half a dozen extensions have
>> been updated since the last time I downloaded 1.0.0. And there was no
>> notification that anything had been updated/fixed/whatever. If it hadn't
>> been for the comment Panos put into bugzilla how is anyone supposed to know
>> that things have been updated?
>> >
>> > --
>> > Mark Wieder
>> > ahsoftware at gmail.com
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
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>
>
> --
> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>    and did a little diving.
> And God said, "This is good."
>


-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."

From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Thu Aug 18 13:51:18 2022
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2022 10:51:18 -0700
Subject: polylist toys
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycPrDdrpx+eT+7=tNkN14VDP8mf+5XwnL2JGxg-0Ki0huw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2b80b8a7-6658-2d6b-61fe-2d649167bb81@sonic.net>
 <E79DC583-26BF-49B0-8AC3-D80034A299D3@milby7.com>
 <CADCoycPrDdrpx+eT+7=tNkN14VDP8mf+5XwnL2JGxg-0Ki0huw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3a207b28-ab58-b090-1564-7b3c29bc1ccc@sonic.net>

On 8/18/22 10:36, Mike Kerner via use-livecode wrote:
> I am not aware of a place to check the version/date. I received a link for
> the download, and I don't see the download as a separate item in my account

It's hidden under "Third Party". Scroll down and there's something like 
"livecode enhancements".

Then you download it, unzip it into a folder, launch the IDE, and open 
the widgetpackinstaller stack and click Install. Ignore (Purge) the 
errors about multiple stacks with the same name. When it's done a button 
(!) appears that says "Complete". Clicking it doesn't do anything 
useful. I don't know what happens if an error occurs.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com


From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Thu Aug 18 13:53:05 2022
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2022 10:53:05 -0700
Subject: polylist toys
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycODVpcTsutfr+NHT0N8m+M8WU4Hs4zrN-WxptfY9an1rA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2b80b8a7-6658-2d6b-61fe-2d649167bb81@sonic.net>
 <E79DC583-26BF-49B0-8AC3-D80034A299D3@milby7.com>
 <CADCoycPrDdrpx+eT+7=tNkN14VDP8mf+5XwnL2JGxg-0Ki0huw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CADCoycODVpcTsutfr+NHT0N8m+M8WU4Hs4zrN-WxptfY9an1rA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ee3ebe11-7543-42c6-21a9-5b2f0ca66997@sonic.net>

On 8/18/22 10:40, Mike Kerner via use-livecode wrote:
> after hitting the link, again, I got 1_0_21
> The error is the same:
> 
>   executing at 1:39:25 PM
> 
> LCB Error Unable to get image geometry.
> 
> Object PolyList
> 
> LCB File
> E:/Projects/GitHub/LiveCode-LTD/summer-mega-bundle/src/PolyList/PolyList.lcb
> 
> LCB Line 2791

Yep. That's what I get as well. Not sure why there's a pointer to 
someone's Windows system. I'm guessing that gets bound in when the lcb 
file is generated by the build process.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com


From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Thu Aug 18 14:02:47 2022
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2022 14:02:47 -0400
Subject: polylist toys
In-Reply-To: <ee3ebe11-7543-42c6-21a9-5b2f0ca66997@sonic.net>
References: <2b80b8a7-6658-2d6b-61fe-2d649167bb81@sonic.net>
 <E79DC583-26BF-49B0-8AC3-D80034A299D3@milby7.com>
 <CADCoycPrDdrpx+eT+7=tNkN14VDP8mf+5XwnL2JGxg-0Ki0huw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CADCoycODVpcTsutfr+NHT0N8m+M8WU4Hs4zrN-WxptfY9an1rA@mail.gmail.com>
 <ee3ebe11-7543-42c6-21a9-5b2f0ca66997@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <CADCoycNyS6bRuzm88ZHh8uPoEx9dRsPtKYZsrsDoFzQBBnO-vw@mail.gmail.com>

oh, that's right, it's in "third party". i just hit the download link in
the megabundle email, again.
21 is the latest, according to the site, which is what i just tried, a
little bit ago.

On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 1:54 PM Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> On 8/18/22 10:40, Mike Kerner via use-livecode wrote:
> > after hitting the link, again, I got 1_0_21
> > The error is the same:
> >
> >   executing at 1:39:25 PM
> >
> > LCB Error Unable to get image geometry.
> >
> > Object PolyList
> >
> > LCB File
> >
> E:/Projects/GitHub/LiveCode-LTD/summer-mega-bundle/src/PolyList/PolyList.lcb
> >
> > LCB Line 2791
>
> Yep. That's what I get as well. Not sure why there's a pointer to
> someone's Windows system. I'm guessing that gets bound in when the lcb
> file is generated by the build process.
>
> --
>   Mark Wieder
>   ahsoftware at gmail.com
>
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-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."

From dougr at telus.net  Thu Aug 18 14:18:25 2022
From: dougr at telus.net (Douglas A. Ruisaard)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2022 11:18:25 -0700
Subject: issue related to Print.PrintSupport.Source.dll
In-Reply-To: <34168E63-E3FF-4D62-ADB4-BB2CC54108EF@iotecdigital.com>
References: <059601d8b269$8a8aebe0$9fa0c3a0$@telus.net>
 <e3a9ea0f-ffd6-f4d8-154a-4556a586fda0@hyperactivesw.com>
 <52cef82a-8d8e-223e-c6e0-0d54d0daf146@sonic.net>
 <34168E63-E3FF-4D62-ADB4-BB2CC54108EF@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <02a101d8b32e$e8478b60$b8d6a220$@telus.net>

I VERY much appreciate the feedback … it helps not to feel isolated with a virtually unsolvable issue which affects one’s credibility with clients.  It is somewhat strange that this does seem to implicate LC to some degree, though.  A version of my code which (probably) used whatever LC version was fairly current in 2013 (I should, but don’t, keep track of what version of LC I use for various releases of my applications) DOES NOT exhibit this issue on the very same installations which are experiencing the error.

I would have used LC v 9.1 to produce the standalone which is *VERY* occasionally exhibiting this issue.  So … apparently … sometime along the way, LC changes seem to have “promoted” the potential for this error.

I’ve told the customers that I cannot possible fix something which I cannot reproduce.  I’ve also insinuated that even if LC *does* discover and fix the underlying issue, that I *WILL NOT* re-issue a new version with the VAST majority of 5,000+ installations NOT experiencing a problem … citing the amount of regression testing which would be mandated as a part of such a revision.

Again, thanks for the responses… this group is ALWAYS awesome in its support and knowledge!

Douglas Ruisaard
           
    Trilogy Software
      (250) 573-3935



-----Original Message-----
From: use-livecode <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com> On Behalf Of Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2022 8:28 AM
To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Cc: Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com>
Subject: Re: issue related to Print.PrintSupport.Source.dll

Not unheard of. Some years back we discovered that if the HP Universal Print Driver had been installed, Toshiba drivers would not work at all. We had to uninstall the HP Universal Driver and replace it with the model-specific driver. 

Bob S

> On Aug 17, 2022, at 16:27 , Mark Wieder via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> On 8/17/22 15:02, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
> 
>> We had one instance where the user didn't have a printer at all, but just deleting the Epson driver fixed it.
> 
> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
> 
> -- 
> Mark Wieder
> ahsoftware at gmail.com
> 
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From bduck at mac.com  Thu Aug 18 14:27:25 2022
From: bduck at mac.com (Brian K. Duck)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2022 14:27:25 -0400
Subject: Fall 2022 xAPI Cohort Starts in Two Weeks! 
Message-ID: <F24643FE-4900-4711-AD5F-252002EC46D0@mac.com>



Join us for the LIVE kickoff web session on September 1st
Starting on September 1st, every Thursday for 12 weeks, xAPI Cohort live web sessions will take place from 2:00 - 3:00 pm Eastern (US) Time. We will be sharing the link to the Virtual Classroom in an upcoming email so keep an eye on your inbox! 

Our first session will introduce xAPI and the xAPI Cohort. We'll talk about the projects you can take on, how to join a team, and what makes a project group successful. 

Please don’t feel overwhelmed if you’re not quite ready to brainstorm projects yet.

To join, or Explore the xAPI Cohort website.

https://xapicohort.com/

In past cohorts, we had a team work with LiveCode to build a sample stack for sending xAPI requests to a server. In there any interest in helping to update the project for LiveCode 10?

Brian Duck

From andreas.bergendal at gmail.com  Thu Aug 18 14:49:57 2022
From: andreas.bergendal at gmail.com (Andreas Bergendal)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2022 20:49:57 +0200
Subject: A web app launcher with responsive design
Message-ID: <09E684DF-5A79-4BA4-BDD7-FF931C24A7F2@gmail.com>

I have now redesigned the portal page and made it much more responsive and also with clearer sections for the example stacks:
https://wheninspace.com/portal/ <https://wheninspace.com/portal/> 
(You may need to clear the browser cache, or open the link in a private browser window if it looks the same as before.)

I've also updated the download package and put a link to it from the portal stack.

From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Thu Aug 18 15:04:55 2022
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2022 21:04:55 +0200
Subject: i wonder what other widgets i'm missing
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycPHvmNRKD4pz1VbersvxrnN7Fj3Nr5rM=tAOhGsCf5DCg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycPHvmNRKD4pz1VbersvxrnN7Fj3Nr5rM=tAOhGsCf5DCg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B06D1B0A-9F7F-4796-97F6-7FBCFDDC5433@m-r-d.de>

Normally the release notes of every Livecode version contains also information about newly added widgets.

Regarding the PolyGrid and PolyList widgets. They were first released with the Megabundle. They were not available before.
The original developer posted a year or so ago in the Livecode FB group about Polygrid and posted also a link to an sample stack with  preview version of the PolyGrid widget.
The release of the widget  was promised for weeks later, but that never did happen.

On Mac you can find all in Livecode  included widgets in the application bundle under /contents/Tools/Extensions
Sometimes widgets from Livecode community members are offered in the LC forums. A nice one btw is the gauge widget from Bernd Niggemann
https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=93&t=29348&hilit=gauge <https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=93&t=29348&hilit=gauge>

Regards,
Matthias



> Am 18.08.2022 um 03:02 schrieb Mike Kerner via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> I bought the megabundle and installed the widgets.
> Then I started checking out the signature widget, and discover that some of
> you have been using it for four years. I didn't even know it existed before
> today, and I have a Business license (I also had not been aware of the
> polylist/polygrids before the megabundle)
> So now I'm wondering
> a) what other widgets i'm missing
> b) since the widget store is kind of sparse, if there are other places to
> look for LC toys, especially widgets?
> 
> -- 
> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>   and did a little diving.
> And God said, "This is good."
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Aug 18 15:13:36 2022
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2022 14:13:36 -0500
Subject: issue related to Print.PrintSupport.Source.dll
In-Reply-To: <02a101d8b32e$e8478b60$b8d6a220$@telus.net>
References: <059601d8b269$8a8aebe0$9fa0c3a0$@telus.net>
 <e3a9ea0f-ffd6-f4d8-154a-4556a586fda0@hyperactivesw.com>
 <52cef82a-8d8e-223e-c6e0-0d54d0daf146@sonic.net>
 <34168E63-E3FF-4D62-ADB4-BB2CC54108EF@iotecdigital.com>
 <02a101d8b32e$e8478b60$b8d6a220$@telus.net>
Message-ID: <74e73415-4abe-46fc-19d2-ea7dd72da873@hyperactivesw.com>

On 8/18/22 1:18 PM, Douglas A. Ruisaard via use-livecode wrote:
> I VERY much appreciate the feedback … it helps not to feel isolated with a virtually unsolvable issue which affects one’s credibility with clients.

There is more info in the bug report:
<https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23659>

For us the problem did not show up until users installed Windows 11, and the drivers that ship 
with that conflict with LC, while the OEM driver does not. If Win 10 users are having the same 
issue, it may be that they got an update which updated the older drivers.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com

From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Aug 18 15:52:57 2022
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2022 14:52:57 -0500
Subject: A few issues with web apps
Message-ID: <fbd7ddec-1816-301d-43e5-152b84e1f034@hyperactivesw.com>

I have just created my first web deployment and I'm *very* impressed. I didn't need to change 
any of the original scripts, the only changes were for visual elements that were different when 
run in a browser.  Aside from appearance, the scripts ran flawlessly.

On desktop it's great in all three browsers I tested on. But I ran into issues when running in 
mobile browsers on Android. Does anyone know how to fix these things:

1. Editable fields fail with both SwiftKey and GBoard keyboards, though they fail in different 
ways. The cursor is misaligned on GBoard, I can't type spaces in SwiftKey, and it is impossible 
to drag-select text in either one. Do I need an Android native field? Right now I'm just using 
LC fields.

2. The slider widget does not allow dragging the round indicator button. I can tap the bar to 
get an approximate setting but fine tuning with the slider button is impossible. Rather than 
slide, the whole web canvas moves instead.

3. I have some scrolling fields and the default Motif scrollbar looks awful. How do I implement 
a native browser scroller? Should I use the scripts I use for mobile devices? What's the best 
way to implement scrolling fields?

All in all, everything else works, which is really quite incredible.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Thu Aug 18 16:02:43 2022
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2022 16:02:43 -0400
Subject: i wonder what other widgets i'm missing
In-Reply-To: <B06D1B0A-9F7F-4796-97F6-7FBCFDDC5433@m-r-d.de>
References: <CADCoycPHvmNRKD4pz1VbersvxrnN7Fj3Nr5rM=tAOhGsCf5DCg@mail.gmail.com>
 <B06D1B0A-9F7F-4796-97F6-7FBCFDDC5433@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <CADCoycOXV=zMjYGSrSeYvxheKh2FBFq=ayuv-xRxBqkBQvF_RA@mail.gmail.com>

what is curious is the signature widget, at least according to one of the
threads i was reading, was out in since 2019, but it never showed up in the
list of widgets in my tools palette. reading the thread, it seemed that
some people had access to it, then.

On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 3:06 PM matthias rebbe via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Normally the release notes of every Livecode version contains also
> information about newly added widgets.
>
> Regarding the PolyGrid and PolyList widgets. They were first released with
> the Megabundle. They were not available before.
> The original developer posted a year or so ago in the Livecode FB group
> about Polygrid and posted also a link to an sample stack with  preview
> version of the PolyGrid widget.
> The release of the widget  was promised for weeks later, but that never
> did happen.
>
> On Mac you can find all in Livecode  included widgets in the application
> bundle under /contents/Tools/Extensions
> Sometimes widgets from Livecode community members are offered in the LC
> forums. A nice one btw is the gauge widget from Bernd Niggemann
> https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=93&t=29348&hilit=gauge <
> https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=93&t=29348&hilit=gauge>
>
> Regards,
> Matthias
>
>
>
> > Am 18.08.2022 um 03:02 schrieb Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> >
> > I bought the megabundle and installed the widgets.
> > Then I started checking out the signature widget, and discover that some
> of
> > you have been using it for four years. I didn't even know it existed
> before
> > today, and I have a Business license (I also had not been aware of the
> > polylist/polygrids before the megabundle)
> > So now I'm wondering
> > a) what other widgets i'm missing
> > b) since the widget store is kind of sparse, if there are other places to
> > look for LC toys, especially widgets?
> >
> > --
> > On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> > On the second day, God created the oceans.
> > On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
> >   and did a little diving.
> > And God said, "This is good."
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
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-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."

From steven.crighton at livecode.com  Thu Aug 18 16:19:42 2022
From: steven.crighton at livecode.com (Steven Crighton)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2022 21:19:42 +0100
Subject: polylist toys
In-Reply-To: <E90BE055-1AA2-4D85-85A5-25A8F7C52FD6@livecode.com>
References: <E90BE055-1AA2-4D85-85A5-25A8F7C52FD6@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <087E1D1D-B0D0-4956-A20C-DE679F99871C@livecode.com>

Hi Mike

I see the issue now. If you were to load this in the latest LiveCode 10 DP you would not get that error (this is why I was not seeing it earlier). 

LiveCode 10 has an LCB feature that is required for this specific error not to occur. That LCB feature is not present in any LC9 version

Steven

From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Thu Aug 18 16:29:06 2022
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2022 16:29:06 -0400
Subject: polylist toys
In-Reply-To: <087E1D1D-B0D0-4956-A20C-DE679F99871C@livecode.com>
References: <E90BE055-1AA2-4D85-85A5-25A8F7C52FD6@livecode.com>
 <087E1D1D-B0D0-4956-A20C-DE679F99871C@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycO=T8g9WRdgEASk2SZ=0KAF3Q-MyZKYTVnkcWW-X-SiVA@mail.gmail.com>

confirmed. 10 fixes it.

On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 4:20 PM Steven Crighton via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi Mike
>
> I see the issue now. If you were to load this in the latest LiveCode 10 DP
> you would not get that error (this is why I was not seeing it earlier).
>
> LiveCode 10 has an LCB feature that is required for this specific error
> not to occur. That LCB feature is not present in any LC9 version
>
> Steven
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-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."

From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Thu Aug 18 18:02:51 2022
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2022 00:02:51 +0200
Subject: [ANN] 1-D Barcode generator Widget 1.0 is looking for Testers
Message-ID: <CANbzFDowu4ZY8EkSraMmoayJmhucrKADxRGHvCDJKbKGR_KkCQ@mail.gmail.com>

Dear LiveCode Users:

It has been a long time since I've come with something really new.

So, I'm pleased to announce our first widget generating one-dimensional
barcodes.

Here is the list of the barcodes styles supported:
- Code39
- Code128A, Code128B, Code128C
- EAN8, EAN13
- UPC-A, UPC-E
- ITF

As usual to ensure the best quality possible before a final release, we
need some help for testing this widget outside of our development
environment.
Ideally we will be happy to send a beta version to users interested to
help.

If you have some interest in this new widget and would like to help, feel
free to drop me a note.

Some more informations about this barcode generator widget are available
here:
https://www.aslugontheroad.com/41-barcode-generator-widget-1-0-0-ready-for-a-beta-test



Best Regards,
--
Zryip TheSlug
http://www.aslugontheroad.com

From alex at tweedly.net  Thu Aug 18 18:13:13 2022
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2022 23:13:13 +0100
Subject: polylist toys
In-Reply-To: <E90BE055-1AA2-4D85-85A5-25A8F7C52FD6@livecode.com>
References: <E90BE055-1AA2-4D85-85A5-25A8F7C52FD6@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <d8d35b69-7989-d5d7-228b-c1f3fa7bbb97@tweedly.net>


On 18/08/2022 17:34, Steven Crighton via use-livecode wrote:
> Hi Mike,
>
> I just tested the lazy load example and hit populate and clicked around etc and could not trigger an error.

As already confirmed, that problem is fixed in 10.

However, the lazy load example still contains bugs due to race 
conditions, some of which I described in some forum post somewhere (Boy 
do I hate the forums! Surely there's some way to check what posts I have 
done myself).

Thinking about it more, there are other race conditions which are 
perhaps more obscure, but more serious. I know it's only an example, and 
maybe can't be expected to be bulletproof, but as an example of how to 
do Lazy Loading it is (IMHO) really too naive and simplistic. People 
expect to take those examples and just use them.

The obvious race conditions are:

1. if multiple entries reference the same image, then there is a chance 
the earlier ones never get properly updated (sURLToIndex[pURL] will have 
been overwritten by the next call to onlineImage before the image value 
gets set).

2. if the user (or anything else) resets the dataContent of the widget 
while there are outstanding "load URL"s, then when the downloadComplete 
is triggered, it will set the image value for some random new item to 
the image of the earlier one.

3. And if the one which was wrongly set in case 2 above also happens to 
be a URL that occurs multiple time (i.e. case 1 above), then that 
wrongly set image will remain "forever".

Alex.

From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Aug 18 18:25:47 2022
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2022 15:25:47 -0700
Subject: issue related to Print.PrintSupport.Source.dll
In-Reply-To: <e3a9ea0f-ffd6-f4d8-154a-4556a586fda0@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <e3a9ea0f-ffd6-f4d8-154a-4556a586fda0@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <af0786a0-d4c7-1955-af0a-761cb1d18ecf@fourthworld.com>

J. Landman Gay wrote:

 > The suggested fix in the bug report has worked for us:
 >
 > https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23659
 >
 > Basically, delete the driver that comes with Windows and get the
 > driver from Epson. Most of the  problems seem to be with Epson
 > printers but if your customers have a different printer, try
 > that OEM driver.


The Read Me that came with MetaCard included: "MetaCard is very good at 
exposing bugs in drivers."

It used to annoy me that Raney would ask me to make sure I was using the 
latest driver available from the manufacturer of whatever device I was 
having trouble with (displays, printers, etc.).

I'd say, "But it doesn't happen with any other software!"

And he'd say, "Please check the driver version, and if a newer one 
doesn't fix it let me know."

In nearly every such case since I had that exchange with him in 1999, he 
was right.

Always check driver versions.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Aug 18 18:29:23 2022
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2022 15:29:23 -0700
Subject: Comparison chart for DataGrid, PolyList, PolyGrid, list fields....
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycMNLgDFW2fy8cDuXcgRBJ_vo1CvwHB+rPiPLz9dqGL5Vg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycMNLgDFW2fy8cDuXcgRBJ_vo1CvwHB+rPiPLz9dqGL5Vg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9bd49760-3f8a-a19a-8c44-907fb0c849fc@fourthworld.com>


If a newcomer needs to display a list, how can they know what to use?

Currently we have:

- list field
- Table field
- DataGrid
- PolyGrid
- PolyList
- others?

Is there a chart listing the features of each that I can point new users 
to when this question comes up?

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems


From skiplondon at gmail.com  Thu Aug 18 18:38:39 2022
From: skiplondon at gmail.com (Skip Kimpel)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2022 18:38:39 -0400
Subject: Livecode / Github
Message-ID: <CAO8Ty4NWTBYSLbgt3oV+j5ODOijj4FMnAcibFjUs4czvDh=qSw@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings!

Been a while since I have been on this list.  Working on a new project and
wondering if the backing up of Livecode files to Github was ever
implemented and created.  I know there was talk of it at one time.

I apologize if it has been in place for a while and I am just out of the
loop.  Actually, I HOPE that is the case!

Regards,

SKIP

From mkoob at rogers.com  Thu Aug 18 18:49:32 2022
From: mkoob at rogers.com (Martin Koob)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2022 18:49:32 -0400
Subject: Comparison chart for DataGrid, PolyList, PolyGrid, list fields....
In-Reply-To: <9bd49760-3f8a-a19a-8c44-907fb0c849fc@fourthworld.com>
References: <CADCoycMNLgDFW2fy8cDuXcgRBJ_vo1CvwHB+rPiPLz9dqGL5Vg@mail.gmail.com>
 <9bd49760-3f8a-a19a-8c44-907fb0c849fc@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <2070B206-989F-4155-9A92-1A0688B0C9EA@rogers.com>

Hi Richard

As far as others here are three I know of.


There is the Tree View widget in LiveCode that gives you a hierarchical list.
There is an explanation of that widget here:
https://livecode.fandom.com/wiki/Tree_view_widget <https://livecode.fandom.com/wiki/Tree_view_widget>

There is a third party product DataTree. 
https://www.nativesoft.net/products/datatree/ <https://www.nativesoft.net/products/datatree/>

Levure has its own version of the DataGrid, the DataView
https://github.com/trevordevore/levurehelper-dataview <https://github.com/trevordevore/levurehelper-dataview>
https://github.com/trevordevore/dataview_demo <https://github.com/trevordevore/dataview_demo>


Martin


> On Aug 18, 2022, at 6:29 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> If a newcomer needs to display a list, how can they know what to use?
> 
> Currently we have:
> 
> - list field
> - Table field
> - DataGrid
> - PolyGrid
> - PolyList
> - others?
> 
> Is there a chart listing the features of each that I can point new users to when this question comes up?
> 
> -- 
> Richard Gaskin
> Fourth World Systems
> 
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From paul at researchware.com  Thu Aug 18 18:50:22 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2022 18:50:22 -0400
Subject: Comparison chart for DataGrid, PolyList, PolyGrid, list fields....
In-Reply-To: <9bd49760-3f8a-a19a-8c44-907fb0c849fc@fourthworld.com>
References: <CADCoycMNLgDFW2fy8cDuXcgRBJ_vo1CvwHB+rPiPLz9dqGL5Vg@mail.gmail.com>
 <9bd49760-3f8a-a19a-8c44-907fb0c849fc@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <0176da5b-374a-78c4-c671-59865221f578@researchware.com>

On 8/18/2022 6:29 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:
>
> If a newcomer needs to display a list, how can they know what to use?
>
> Currently we have:
>
> - list field
> - Table field
> - DataGrid
> - PolyGrid
> - PolyList
> - others?
>
> Is there a chart listing the features of each that I can point new 
> users to when this question comes up?
>

No list, but I did discover one reason for choosing PolyGrid over 
DataGrid recently. Large number of columns (such as user generated 
research data). The DataGrid is a group and so is limited to a total 
width of all columns of 32767px, or about 327 columns at the default of 
100px per column. Exceed this and the data stops displaying. I have 
tested PolyGrid with 1000 columns without issue. The Datagrid column 
limit can also be an issue if you are close to the limit and the user 
resizes 1 or more columns to exceed the total pixel limit (assuming you 
have column resizing turned on, which it is by default)




From mkoob at rogers.com  Thu Aug 18 19:03:38 2022
From: mkoob at rogers.com (Martin Koob)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2022 19:03:38 -0400
Subject: Livecode / Github
In-Reply-To: <CAO8Ty4NWTBYSLbgt3oV+j5ODOijj4FMnAcibFjUs4czvDh=qSw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAO8Ty4NWTBYSLbgt3oV+j5ODOijj4FMnAcibFjUs4czvDh=qSw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43CFC7B4-A77B-4970-9567-03FB3CC9835D@rogers.com>

Hi SKIP

Welcome back to the list!

There is Levure which I knew of as a third party application framework created by Trevor DeVore but I just did a search for it and I see it now on the LiveCode website described as an App Collaboration Framework.  https://livecode.com/products/livecode-platform/levure/ <https://livecode.com/products/livecode-platform/levure/>  So it must have at some point migrated to the mother ship.

I haven’t used it but I have considered migrating my application to it.  It works with version control systems as long as you follow its recommendations about how to organize your code into behaviours that are stored in script only stacks which are just text files that a version control system can read (These are somewhat new so depending on when you last used LiveCode they may be new to you.)  This was an enhancement that has enabled the use of version control for scripts in a project. It is the binary stacks that versions control systems can’t track so in Levure those are just used for user interface.

Hope this helps.

Martin


> On Aug 18, 2022, at 6:38 PM, Skip Kimpel via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Greetings!
> 
> Been a while since I have been on this list.  Working on a new project and
> wondering if the backing up of Livecode files to Github was ever
> implemented and created.  I know there was talk of it at one time.
> 
> I apologize if it has been in place for a while and I am just out of the
> loop.  Actually, I HOPE that is the case!
> 
> Regards,
> 
> SKIP
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> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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From paul at researchware.com  Thu Aug 18 19:20:02 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2022 19:20:02 -0400
Subject: AW: Polygrid sorting (problems)
In-Reply-To: <7196ee9c-c1a7-2b8e-df50-33fb48aed57a@researchware.com>
References: <d3e79085-1552-b5fe-9289-99c60976a6a9@researchware.com>
 <4bf5092d-5a4c-d27d-d6fb-a9245c6ba728@researchware.com>
 <7196ee9c-c1a7-2b8e-df50-33fb48aed57a@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <88f81dd8-9aa5-bc87-3993-85100d2a1b13@researchware.com>

All,

Bug 23886 has been fixed with the latest release of the Summer Bundle 
widget sets. Download from the store.

On 8/17/2022 3:51 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
> BTW the problem of:
> the text of widget X
> the csvData of widget X
> the tsvData of widget X
> AND (not in the Livecode 9.6.8 Dictionary for PolyGrid 1.1.1)
> the pgText of widget X
> ALL not returning the full data for a PolyGrid widget is a confirmed bug:
>
> See https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23886
>
>
>
> On 8/15/2022 3:34 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
>> So there is an example of sorting in the PolyGrid documentation under 
>> the entry for the MESSAGE "headerClick" and under the entry to the 
>> PROPERTY "text" (and in 'the text of me')
>>
>> The example code only sort the visible rows as "the text of widget X" 
>> returns the data of PolyGrid X as tab delimited, WITHOUT the column 
>> headers, but ONLY the visible rows.
>>
>> So, what to use for sorting all the data in a PolyGrid by a 
>> particular column?
>>
>> The tsvData of widget X (and csvData, and Text) doesn't seem to work. 
>> The all seems to only get the visible data (rows). Only the pgData of 
>> widget return the whole dataset of the PolyGrid. Is this the way 
>> these properties are supposed to work?
>>
>> If that is how text, csvData, and tsvData are supposed to work 
>> (returning only the visible rows), then the sort example in the 
>> PolyGrid documentation require updating otherwise these properties 
>> require updating!
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8/15/2022 2:29 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
>>> So, I bought the Summer Bundle. Yes, it is a good deal.
>>>
>>> In my case it was primarily for the Polygrid widget. Our application 
>>> uses a Datagrid to display customer research data. The columns 
>>> headers are text and the left most column ROWs are test and all 
>>> other cells are numbers. Some customers can have quite large data 
>>> sets and I have been running into the number of columns (ad a 
>>> default width of 100px per column) exceeding a GROUPs 32,767px width 
>>> maximum (about 327-328 columns). At this point the Datagrid just 
>>> fails - no data is displayed.
>>>
>>> I can now attest that a Polygrid (under LC 9.6.8) does not have this 
>>> limit. I have a "test" stack (for Datagrid testing) I converted to 
>>> the Polygrid and can easily generate 1000 columns x 1000 rows of 
>>> data and it works.
>>>
>>> So I guess the answer to bug 
>>> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23875 is "Use the 
>>> PolyGrid"
>>>
>>> On that note, the Datagrid has 2 features I use in this specific 
>>> case, user column resizing (built into the Polygrid - Yea!) and 
>>> column sorting (NOT built into the Polygrid - Boo!). So, does anyone 
>>> have some column sort code for the Polygrid they have written that 
>>> they might be willing to share?
>>>
>>> Also, I have filled a Polygrid enhancement request to allow the left 
>>> column (or the left N columns) to be locked/frozen, so they remain 
>>> visible when the Polygrid is scrolled horizontally. See 
>>> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23880. If you might 
>>> benefit from this enhancement, please follow the bug or add a 
>>> comment to that effect.
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
>>> subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>
>>
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From alex at tweedly.net  Thu Aug 18 19:32:56 2022
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2022 00:32:56 +0100
Subject: Polylist widget Lazy Loading images example. [was Re: polylist toys]
In-Reply-To: <d8d35b69-7989-d5d7-228b-c1f3fa7bbb97@tweedly.net>
References: <E90BE055-1AA2-4D85-85A5-25A8F7C52FD6@livecode.com>
 <d8d35b69-7989-d5d7-228b-c1f3fa7bbb97@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <56c60308-313d-4518-049a-707e448299b0@tweedly.net>


On 18/08/2022 23:13, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:
>
> However, the lazy load example still contains bugs due to race conditions

Solution:

replace the card script with the following .... should fix all the race 
conditions I can see.

> local sURLToIndex
>
> on onlineImage pIndex, pURL
>    put  pIndex &CR after sURLToIndex[pURL]
>    load URL pURL  with message "downloadComplete"
> end onlineImage
>
> on downloadComplete pURL, pSatus
>   local tURL
>   repeat for each line L in sURLToIndex[pURL]
>      set the itemPointer of widget "PolyList" to L
>      set the subItemPointer of widget "PolyList" to "url"
>      put the subitemContent of widget "PolyList" into tURL
>      if tURL = pURL then -- still the right URL
>         set the subItemPointer of widget "PolyList" to "image"
>         set the subitemContent of widget "PolyList" to URL pURL
>      end if
>   end repeat
>   put empty into sURLToIndex[pURL]
> end downloadComplete

And in the real world, add in cache aging, limit on number of entries, 
limit on total cache size in bytes, ...

Alex.

>
> 1. if multiple entries reference the same image, then there is a 
> chance the earlier ones never get properly updated (sURLToIndex[pURL] 
> will have been overwritten by the next call to onlineImage before the 
> image value gets set).
>
> 2. if the user (or anything else) resets the dataContent of the widget 
> while there are outstanding "load URL"s, then when the 
> downloadComplete is triggered, it will set the image value for some 
> random new item to the image of the earlier one.
>
> 3. And if the one which was wrongly set in case 2 above also happens 
> to be a URL that occurs multiple time (i.e. case 1 above), then that 
> wrongly set image will remain "forever".
>
>


From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Thu Aug 18 20:31:49 2022
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2022 20:31:49 -0400
Subject: AW: Polygrid sorting (problems)
In-Reply-To: <88f81dd8-9aa5-bc87-3993-85100d2a1b13@researchware.com>
References: <d3e79085-1552-b5fe-9289-99c60976a6a9@researchware.com>
 <4bf5092d-5a4c-d27d-d6fb-a9245c6ba728@researchware.com>
 <7196ee9c-c1a7-2b8e-df50-33fb48aed57a@researchware.com>
 <88f81dd8-9aa5-bc87-3993-85100d2a1b13@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycO4-XLLRsrYy2isSFLAgHvHa_dYE5bksFfC9LrgPgJhjA@mail.gmail.com>

which version is that? 21?

On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 7:21 PM Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> All,
>
> Bug 23886 has been fixed with the latest release of the Summer Bundle
> widget sets. Download from the store.
>
> On 8/17/2022 3:51 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
> > BTW the problem of:
> > the text of widget X
> > the csvData of widget X
> > the tsvData of widget X
> > AND (not in the Livecode 9.6.8 Dictionary for PolyGrid 1.1.1)
> > the pgText of widget X
> > ALL not returning the full data for a PolyGrid widget is a confirmed bug:
> >
> > See https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23886
> >
> >
> >
> > On 8/15/2022 3:34 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
> >> So there is an example of sorting in the PolyGrid documentation under
> >> the entry for the MESSAGE "headerClick" and under the entry to the
> >> PROPERTY "text" (and in 'the text of me')
> >>
> >> The example code only sort the visible rows as "the text of widget X"
> >> returns the data of PolyGrid X as tab delimited, WITHOUT the column
> >> headers, but ONLY the visible rows.
> >>
> >> So, what to use for sorting all the data in a PolyGrid by a
> >> particular column?
> >>
> >> The tsvData of widget X (and csvData, and Text) doesn't seem to work.
> >> The all seems to only get the visible data (rows). Only the pgData of
> >> widget return the whole dataset of the PolyGrid. Is this the way
> >> these properties are supposed to work?
> >>
> >> If that is how text, csvData, and tsvData are supposed to work
> >> (returning only the visible rows), then the sort example in the
> >> PolyGrid documentation require updating otherwise these properties
> >> require updating!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 8/15/2022 2:29 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
> >>> So, I bought the Summer Bundle. Yes, it is a good deal.
> >>>
> >>> In my case it was primarily for the Polygrid widget. Our application
> >>> uses a Datagrid to display customer research data. The columns
> >>> headers are text and the left most column ROWs are test and all
> >>> other cells are numbers. Some customers can have quite large data
> >>> sets and I have been running into the number of columns (ad a
> >>> default width of 100px per column) exceeding a GROUPs 32,767px width
> >>> maximum (about 327-328 columns). At this point the Datagrid just
> >>> fails - no data is displayed.
> >>>
> >>> I can now attest that a Polygrid (under LC 9.6.8) does not have this
> >>> limit. I have a "test" stack (for Datagrid testing) I converted to
> >>> the Polygrid and can easily generate 1000 columns x 1000 rows of
> >>> data and it works.
> >>>
> >>> So I guess the answer to bug
> >>> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23875 is "Use the
> >>> PolyGrid"
> >>>
> >>> On that note, the Datagrid has 2 features I use in this specific
> >>> case, user column resizing (built into the Polygrid - Yea!) and
> >>> column sorting (NOT built into the Polygrid - Boo!). So, does anyone
> >>> have some column sort code for the Polygrid they have written that
> >>> they might be willing to share?
> >>>
> >>> Also, I have filled a Polygrid enhancement request to allow the left
> >>> column (or the left N columns) to be locked/frozen, so they remain
> >>> visible when the Polygrid is scrolled horizontally. See
> >>> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23880. If you might
> >>> benefit from this enhancement, please follow the bug or add a
> >>> comment to that effect.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> use-livecode mailing list
> >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> >>> subscription preferences:
> >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >>
> >>
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On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."

From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Thu Aug 18 20:39:31 2022
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2022 20:39:31 -0400
Subject: Livecode / Github
In-Reply-To: <43CFC7B4-A77B-4970-9567-03FB3CC9835D@rogers.com>
References: <CAO8Ty4NWTBYSLbgt3oV+j5ODOijj4FMnAcibFjUs4czvDh=qSw@mail.gmail.com>
 <43CFC7B4-A77B-4970-9567-03FB3CC9835D@rogers.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycP9zp6XZkjYWyLYXLPY4S_r0pkz0PXkCtHy6SSd17SrEQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Skip, long time...
I don't know if you were around when script-only-stack behaviors came into
being, but you can now rip all of the code out of your stacks and happily
use vc/git. The stacks themselves are still binary (although several of us
have been messing with dumping that paradigm completely, it's less
practical than I would have hoped, as of today).
Navigator will export every script in a project into behavior stacks, and
Monte wrote a stack called "Scriptifier", if memory serves. It's embedded
in the LC bundle, and it does the same thing, namely extracting all the
scripts out of a project and putting them into .livecodescript text files.
Levure is great. I have used it with every project I've worked on for
several years, BUT you don't have to use it to go this route.

On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 7:04 PM Martin Koob via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi SKIP
>
> Welcome back to the list!
>
> There is Levure which I knew of as a third party application framework
> created by Trevor DeVore but I just did a search for it and I see it now on
> the LiveCode website described as an App Collaboration Framework.
> https://livecode.com/products/livecode-platform/levure/ <
> https://livecode.com/products/livecode-platform/levure/>  So it must have
> at some point migrated to the mother ship.
>
> I haven’t used it but I have considered migrating my application to it.
> It works with version control systems as long as you follow its
> recommendations about how to organize your code into behaviours that are
> stored in script only stacks which are just text files that a version
> control system can read (These are somewhat new so depending on when you
> last used LiveCode they may be new to you.)  This was an enhancement that
> has enabled the use of version control for scripts in a project. It is the
> binary stacks that versions control systems can’t track so in Levure those
> are just used for user interface.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Martin
>
>
> > On Aug 18, 2022, at 6:38 PM, Skip Kimpel via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Greetings!
> >
> > Been a while since I have been on this list.  Working on a new project
> and
> > wondering if the backing up of Livecode files to Github was ever
> > implemented and created.  I know there was talk of it at one time.
> >
> > I apologize if it has been in place for a while and I am just out of the
> > loop.  Actually, I HOPE that is the case!
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > SKIP
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
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From paul at researchware.com  Thu Aug 18 20:53:12 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2022 20:53:12 -0400
Subject: AW: Polygrid sorting (problems)
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycO4-XLLRsrYy2isSFLAgHvHa_dYE5bksFfC9LrgPgJhjA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d3e79085-1552-b5fe-9289-99c60976a6a9@researchware.com>
 <4bf5092d-5a4c-d27d-d6fb-a9245c6ba728@researchware.com>
 <7196ee9c-c1a7-2b8e-df50-33fb48aed57a@researchware.com>
 <88f81dd8-9aa5-bc87-3993-85100d2a1b13@researchware.com>
 <CADCoycO4-XLLRsrYy2isSFLAgHvHa_dYE5bksFfC9LrgPgJhjA@mail.gmail.com>
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Yes, Livecode enhancements bundle 1_0_21 (with PolyGrid 1.1.3)


On 8/18/2022 8:31 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode wrote:
> which version is that? 21?
>
> On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 7:21 PM Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> All,
>>
>> Bug 23886 has been fixed with the latest release of the Summer Bundle
>> widget sets. Download from the store.
>>
>> On 8/17/2022 3:51 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
>>> BTW the problem of:
>>> the text of widget X
>>> the csvData of widget X
>>> the tsvData of widget X
>>> AND (not in the Livecode 9.6.8 Dictionary for PolyGrid 1.1.1)
>>> the pgText of widget X
>>> ALL not returning the full data for a PolyGrid widget is a confirmed bug:
>>>
>>> See https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23886
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8/15/2022 3:34 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
>>>> So there is an example of sorting in the PolyGrid documentation under
>>>> the entry for the MESSAGE "headerClick" and under the entry to the
>>>> PROPERTY "text" (and in 'the text of me')
>>>>
>>>> The example code only sort the visible rows as "the text of widget X"
>>>> returns the data of PolyGrid X as tab delimited, WITHOUT the column
>>>> headers, but ONLY the visible rows.
>>>>
>>>> So, what to use for sorting all the data in a PolyGrid by a
>>>> particular column?
>>>>
>>>> The tsvData of widget X (and csvData, and Text) doesn't seem to work.
>>>> The all seems to only get the visible data (rows). Only the pgData of
>>>> widget return the whole dataset of the PolyGrid. Is this the way
>>>> these properties are supposed to work?
>>>>
>>>> If that is how text, csvData, and tsvData are supposed to work
>>>> (returning only the visible rows), then the sort example in the
>>>> PolyGrid documentation require updating otherwise these properties
>>>> require updating!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 8/15/2022 2:29 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
>>>>> So, I bought the Summer Bundle. Yes, it is a good deal.
>>>>>
>>>>> In my case it was primarily for the Polygrid widget. Our application
>>>>> uses a Datagrid to display customer research data. The columns
>>>>> headers are text and the left most column ROWs are test and all
>>>>> other cells are numbers. Some customers can have quite large data
>>>>> sets and I have been running into the number of columns (ad a
>>>>> default width of 100px per column) exceeding a GROUPs 32,767px width
>>>>> maximum (about 327-328 columns). At this point the Datagrid just
>>>>> fails - no data is displayed.
>>>>>
>>>>> I can now attest that a Polygrid (under LC 9.6.8) does not have this
>>>>> limit. I have a "test" stack (for Datagrid testing) I converted to
>>>>> the Polygrid and can easily generate 1000 columns x 1000 rows of
>>>>> data and it works.
>>>>>
>>>>> So I guess the answer to bug
>>>>> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23875 is "Use the
>>>>> PolyGrid"
>>>>>
>>>>> On that note, the Datagrid has 2 features I use in this specific
>>>>> case, user column resizing (built into the Polygrid - Yea!) and
>>>>> column sorting (NOT built into the Polygrid - Boo!). So, does anyone
>>>>> have some column sort code for the Polygrid they have written that
>>>>> they might be willing to share?
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, I have filled a Polygrid enhancement request to allow the left
>>>>> column (or the left N columns) to be locked/frozen, so they remain
>>>>> visible when the Polygrid is scrolled horizontally. See
>>>>> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23880. If you might
>>>>> benefit from this enhancement, please follow the bug or add a
>>>>> comment to that effect.
>>>>>
>>>>>
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From sean at pidigital.co.uk  Fri Aug 19 01:04:55 2022
From: sean at pidigital.co.uk (Pi Digital)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2022 06:04:55 +0100
Subject: Livecode / Github
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycP9zp6XZkjYWyLYXLPY4S_r0pkz0PXkCtHy6SSd17SrEQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycP9zp6XZkjYWyLYXLPY4S_r0pkz0PXkCtHy6SSd17SrEQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9860AEA8-BA22-4047-986E-A904AAB6AD47@pidigital.co.uk>

I tried scriptifier and it broke stuff so just be careful with it and check its output. 

Sean


> On 19 Aug 2022, at 01:39, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hey Skip, long time...
> I don't know if you were around when script-only-stack behaviors came into
> being, but you can now rip all of the code out of your stacks and happily
> use vc/git. The stacks themselves are still binary (although several of us
> have been messing with dumping that paradigm completely, it's less
> practical than I would have hoped, as of today).
> Navigator will export every script in a project into behavior stacks, and
> Monte wrote a stack called "Scriptifier", if memory serves. It's embedded
> in the LC bundle, and it does the same thing, namely extracting all the
> scripts out of a project and putting them into .livecodescript text files.
> Levure is great. I have used it with every project I've worked on for
> several years, BUT you don't have to use it to go this route.
> 
>> On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 7:04 PM Martin Koob via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi SKIP
>> 
>> Welcome back to the list!
>> 
>> There is Levure which I knew of as a third party application framework
>> created by Trevor DeVore but I just did a search for it and I see it now on
>> the LiveCode website described as an App Collaboration Framework.
>> https://livecode.com/products/livecode-platform/levure/ <
>> https://livecode.com/products/livecode-platform/levure/>  So it must have
>> at some point migrated to the mother ship.
>> 
>> I haven’t used it but I have considered migrating my application to it.
>> It works with version control systems as long as you follow its
>> recommendations about how to organize your code into behaviours that are
>> stored in script only stacks which are just text files that a version
>> control system can read (These are somewhat new so depending on when you
>> last used LiveCode they may be new to you.)  This was an enhancement that
>> has enabled the use of version control for scripts in a project. It is the
>> binary stacks that versions control systems can’t track so in Levure those
>> are just used for user interface.
>> 
>> Hope this helps.
>> 
>> Martin
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 18, 2022, at 6:38 PM, Skip Kimpel via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Greetings!
>>> 
>>> Been a while since I have been on this list.  Working on a new project
>> and
>>> wondering if the backing up of Livecode files to Github was ever
>>> implemented and created.  I know there was talk of it at one time.
>>> 
>>> I apologize if it has been in place for a while and I am just out of the
>>> loop.  Actually, I HOPE that is the case!
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> SKIP
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From andreas.bergendal at gmail.com  Fri Aug 19 03:39:27 2022
From: andreas.bergendal at gmail.com (Andreas Bergendal)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2022 09:39:27 +0200
Subject: A few issues with web apps
Message-ID: <52A0C209-091B-48AE-969B-50D59E8A2D9A@gmail.com>

Hi Jacque,

1. I can’t test on Android, but I doubt an Android native field would solve the problem here, as the platform is Web, thus not really natively Android. The LC web engine doesn’t seem to know where it is running, apart from "in a browser”… But do try putting an Android native field in your test stack and see what happens. I’ll test an iOS field and see what I get.

2. I confirm the slider widget/object looks and functions horribly on iOS and macOS too. See next point.

3. Motif makes most standard LC objects look horrible, but the mothership has promised to get rid of that in future releases (please hurry! :).

As to getting scrollers to work, some js seems necessary - see the excellent work by Kangaroo in the forum: https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=120&t=36957 <https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=120&t=36957>
Hopefully that solution can be applied to sliders too. Again, I doubt the native mobile scroller would work, because platform = web.

Actually, my next step is anyway to test scroller stuff in my portal - I’ll make sure to try not just fields but also the slider. I’ll be back! :)

/Andreas

From andreas.bergendal at gmail.com  Fri Aug 19 08:52:24 2022
From: andreas.bergendal at gmail.com (Andreas Bergendal)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2022 14:52:24 +0200
Subject: A few issues with web apps
Message-ID: <03BDE187-324D-42A6-BEC4-1B37D4D59A9D@gmail.com>

Bah, I can only get Kangaroo’s scroller trigger to work if deployed in a separate standalone. No matter how I try to integrate the code in my portal, it just doesn’t trigger.

In any case, the code that works in desktop web browsers doesn't work in mobile browsers, so there is still a problem to solve there. Hoping for the mothership to fix (in-field wheel/touch) scrolling natively in coming dp’s… 

I mean, clicking/touching the actual scrollbar of a field always works, but in a desktop browser you want the mouse wheel scroll to work in fields (Kangaroo’s script does that, sometimes...), and on mobile touching/dragging over a field should scroll it (still unsolved).

From merakosp at gmail.com  Fri Aug 19 08:55:03 2022
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis m)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2022 15:55:03 +0300
Subject: polylist toys
In-Reply-To: <d8d35b69-7989-d5d7-228b-c1f3fa7bbb97@tweedly.net>
References: <E90BE055-1AA2-4D85-85A5-25A8F7C52FD6@livecode.com>
 <d8d35b69-7989-d5d7-228b-c1f3fa7bbb97@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq-k4uxyNaf9xtChxR0xr7vbwoyuC7-zMrjZC5LYN4ZHiw@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

Thank you all for the useful comments.

I *think* the LCB feature in LC 10 Steven mentioned is the "is
valid" operator, that returns a boolean value indicating whether or not the
image data is valid.
Also, note that in the upcoming releases of LC 10 we will add syntax for
checking if a file/directory exists, so we could check not only image
validity but also image existence in the first place.

BTW, we have found a workaround for allowing this stack (lazy image
example) to work in LC 9 as well. The updated bundle will probably appear
in your account area in the next couple of days.

Kind regards,
Panos
--

On Fri, 19 Aug 2022 at 01:13, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

>
> On 18/08/2022 17:34, Steven Crighton via use-livecode wrote:
> > Hi Mike,
> >
> > I just tested the lazy load example and hit populate and clicked around
> etc and could not trigger an error.
>
> As already confirmed, that problem is fixed in 10.
>
> However, the lazy load example still contains bugs due to race
> conditions, some of which I described in some forum post somewhere (Boy
> do I hate the forums! Surely there's some way to check what posts I have
> done myself).
>
> Thinking about it more, there are other race conditions which are
> perhaps more obscure, but more serious. I know it's only an example, and
> maybe can't be expected to be bulletproof, but as an example of how to
> do Lazy Loading it is (IMHO) really too naive and simplistic. People
> expect to take those examples and just use them.
>
> The obvious race conditions are:
>
> 1. if multiple entries reference the same image, then there is a chance
> the earlier ones never get properly updated (sURLToIndex[pURL] will have
> been overwritten by the next call to onlineImage before the image value
> gets set).
>
> 2. if the user (or anything else) resets the dataContent of the widget
> while there are outstanding "load URL"s, then when the downloadComplete
> is triggered, it will set the image value for some random new item to
> the image of the earlier one.
>
> 3. And if the one which was wrongly set in case 2 above also happens to
> be a URL that occurs multiple time (i.e. case 1 above), then that
> wrongly set image will remain "forever".
>
> Alex.
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From merakosp at gmail.com  Fri Aug 19 08:58:19 2022
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis m)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2022 15:58:19 +0300
Subject: A few issues with web apps
In-Reply-To: <03BDE187-324D-42A6-BEC4-1B37D4D59A9D@gmail.com>
References: <03BDE187-324D-42A6-BEC4-1B37D4D59A9D@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq91S5D_MaFfcZtyU4PeNyiWDzmJmZvE6UamO6OxmYsR9A@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Andreas,

To use Kangaroo's sample stack as is (
https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=120&t=36957) you have to tweak
the custom standalone.html that is included in the Copy Files section and
replace "<script async src=standalone-10.0.0-dp-3.js></script>" at line 213
with the correct version of LC 10 you're using, I guess in this case
"<script async src=standalone-10.0.0-dp-4.js></script>"

Cheers,
Panos
--

On Fri, 19 Aug 2022 at 15:53, Andreas Bergendal via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Bah, I can only get Kangaroo’s scroller trigger to work if deployed in a
> separate standalone. No matter how I try to integrate the code in my
> portal, it just doesn’t trigger.
>
> In any case, the code that works in desktop web browsers doesn't work in
> mobile browsers, so there is still a problem to solve there. Hoping for the
> mothership to fix (in-field wheel/touch) scrolling natively in coming dp’s…
>
> I mean, clicking/touching the actual scrollbar of a field always works,
> but in a desktop browser you want the mouse wheel scroll to work in fields
> (Kangaroo’s script does that, sometimes...), and on mobile
> touching/dragging over a field should scroll it (still unsolved).
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From andreas.bergendal at gmail.com  Fri Aug 19 09:21:15 2022
From: andreas.bergendal at gmail.com (Andreas Bergendal)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2022 15:21:15 +0200
Subject: A few issues with web apps
Message-ID: <22040071-8E44-4E6E-9380-A9DC2D87BE62@gmail.com>

Thanks for the hint, Panos - that is useful to mention for those who want to try it.
However, that is not my problem - I’ve already done that! 

Kangaroo’s stack works as advertised, as is (with dp-4 mod):
https://wheninspace.com/test/WebScrollField.html <https://wheninspace.com/test/WebScrollField.html>

But when I try to use the code, either like in the original, where it is inserted by an LC script in preOpenStack, or by extracting the actual js and putting it into the html file beforehand, it just doesn’t trigger. I get no error message, js or LC, it just does nothing.

Actually, it was the same with the ”Meeting space” demo, which has a slightly different scroll wheel script. At first, I took both the resize js and the scroll js from there, but only the resize part works for me. It’s strange since my portal solution apparently catches resize events and passes them on to topStack, but fails to catch/pass scroll events…

/Andreas

From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Fri Aug 19 10:41:36 2022
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2022 10:41:36 -0400
Subject: polylist toys
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq-k4uxyNaf9xtChxR0xr7vbwoyuC7-zMrjZC5LYN4ZHiw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E90BE055-1AA2-4D85-85A5-25A8F7C52FD6@livecode.com>
 <d8d35b69-7989-d5d7-228b-c1f3fa7bbb97@tweedly.net>
 <CA+JfEq-k4uxyNaf9xtChxR0xr7vbwoyuC7-zMrjZC5LYN4ZHiw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycNvpwOBhiEM+nxHErkbBEnGY+_Mjmk2qTtxn-xnLFOkeQ@mail.gmail.com>

while we're on the topic, i was just having a conversation off-list and it
reminded me: we really should do another lcb class.
i looked at lcb a couple of times, messed with it, and then said "meh", and
moved on.

On Fri, Aug 19, 2022 at 8:56 AM panagiotis m via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Thank you all for the useful comments.
>
> I *think* the LCB feature in LC 10 Steven mentioned is the "is
> valid" operator, that returns a boolean value indicating whether or not the
> image data is valid.
> Also, note that in the upcoming releases of LC 10 we will add syntax for
> checking if a file/directory exists, so we could check not only image
> validity but also image existence in the first place.
>
> BTW, we have found a workaround for allowing this stack (lazy image
> example) to work in LC 9 as well. The updated bundle will probably appear
> in your account area in the next couple of days.
>
> Kind regards,
> Panos
> --
>
> On Fri, 19 Aug 2022 at 01:13, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > On 18/08/2022 17:34, Steven Crighton via use-livecode wrote:
> > > Hi Mike,
> > >
> > > I just tested the lazy load example and hit populate and clicked around
> > etc and could not trigger an error.
> >
> > As already confirmed, that problem is fixed in 10.
> >
> > However, the lazy load example still contains bugs due to race
> > conditions, some of which I described in some forum post somewhere (Boy
> > do I hate the forums! Surely there's some way to check what posts I have
> > done myself).
> >
> > Thinking about it more, there are other race conditions which are
> > perhaps more obscure, but more serious. I know it's only an example, and
> > maybe can't be expected to be bulletproof, but as an example of how to
> > do Lazy Loading it is (IMHO) really too naive and simplistic. People
> > expect to take those examples and just use them.
> >
> > The obvious race conditions are:
> >
> > 1. if multiple entries reference the same image, then there is a chance
> > the earlier ones never get properly updated (sURLToIndex[pURL] will have
> > been overwritten by the next call to onlineImage before the image value
> > gets set).
> >
> > 2. if the user (or anything else) resets the dataContent of the widget
> > while there are outstanding "load URL"s, then when the downloadComplete
> > is triggered, it will set the image value for some random new item to
> > the image of the earlier one.
> >
> > 3. And if the one which was wrongly set in case 2 above also happens to
> > be a URL that occurs multiple time (i.e. case 1 above), then that
> > wrongly set image will remain "forever".
> >
> > Alex.
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > subscription preferences:
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On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."

From merakosp at gmail.com  Fri Aug 19 11:00:41 2022
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis m)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2022 18:00:41 +0300
Subject: A few issues with web apps
In-Reply-To: <22040071-8E44-4E6E-9380-A9DC2D87BE62@gmail.com>
References: <22040071-8E44-4E6E-9380-A9DC2D87BE62@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq9ToE-BRTOP-d+6JpxM=+SN-SXrvevmRMWuWrjt3E75pQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all,

BTW, I just wrote a lesson on how to scroll a LC text field on Web using
<do .. as javascript>:

https://lessons.livecode.com/m/2592/l/1595736-scrolling-a-livecode-text-field-on-web-using-javascript

Cheers,
Panos
--

On Fri, 19 Aug 2022 at 16:22, Andreas Bergendal via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Thanks for the hint, Panos - that is useful to mention for those who want
> to try it.
> However, that is not my problem - I’ve already done that!
>
> Kangaroo’s stack works as advertised, as is (with dp-4 mod):
> https://wheninspace.com/test/WebScrollField.html <
> https://wheninspace.com/test/WebScrollField.html>
>
> But when I try to use the code, either like in the original, where it is
> inserted by an LC script in preOpenStack, or by extracting the actual js
> and putting it into the html file beforehand, it just doesn’t trigger. I
> get no error message, js or LC, it just does nothing.
>
> Actually, it was the same with the ”Meeting space” demo, which has a
> slightly different scroll wheel script. At first, I took both the resize js
> and the scroll js from there, but only the resize part works for me. It’s
> strange since my portal solution apparently catches resize events and
> passes them on to topStack, but fails to catch/pass scroll events…
>
> /Andreas
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Aug 19 11:16:55 2022
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2022 10:16:55 -0500
Subject: A few issues with web apps
In-Reply-To: <22040071-8E44-4E6E-9380-A9DC2D87BE62@gmail.com>
References: <22040071-8E44-4E6E-9380-A9DC2D87BE62@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <182b6adba58.27a5.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>

I just tried the kangaroo example on your web site using my Android tablet. 
It behaves just like my slider widget. I can tap in the scrollbar to get 
the field scroll to jump but the indicator can't be moved. When I try, the 
whole canvas moves instead.

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HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
On August 19, 2022 8:23:25 AM Andreas Bergendal via use-livecode 
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Thanks for the hint, Panos - that is useful to mention for those who want 
> to try it.
> However, that is not my problem - Ive already done that!
>
> Kangaroos stack works as advertised, as is (with dp-4 mod):
> https://wheninspace.com/test/WebScrollField.html 
> <https://wheninspace.com/test/WebScrollField.html>
>
> But when I try to use the code, either like in the original, where it is 
> inserted by an LC script in preOpenStack, or by extracting the actual js 
> and putting it into the html file beforehand, it just doesnt trigger. I 
> get no error message, js or LC, it just does nothing.
>
> Actually, it was the same with the Meeting space demo, which has a 
> slightly different scroll wheel script. At first, I took both the resize js 
> and the scroll js from there, but only the resize part works for me. Its 
> strange since my portal solution apparently catches resize events and 
> passes them on to topStack, but fails to catch/pass scroll events
>
> /Andreas
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From alex at tweedly.net  Fri Aug 19 13:16:37 2022
From: alex at tweedly.net (Tweedly)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2022 18:16:37 +0100
Subject: A few issues with web apps
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq9ToE-BRTOP-d+6JpxM=+SN-SXrvevmRMWuWrjt3E75pQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+JfEq9ToE-BRTOP-d+6JpxM=+SN-SXrvevmRMWuWrjt3E75pQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3A71F07E-2984-4797-AA82-3F9B63999504@tweedly.net>


> On 19 Aug 2022, at 16:01, panagiotis m via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> BTW, I just wrote a lesson on how to scroll a LC text field on Web using
> <do .. as javascript>:
>> 
Thank you. 
But at the risk of sounding ungrateful - please don’t.
Please just make basic functionality like resizing, scrolling, etc. Work properly and nicely out of the box.
Alex.


From paul at researchware.com  Fri Aug 19 17:09:39 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2022 17:09:39 -0400
Subject: Livecode performance problem
Message-ID: <c9167335-177e-87b1-7da7-b9a8b9028cab@researchware.com>

I have a set of fields, call them A, B, C, and D. Each has the same 
number of lines. Each field has different text (per line)

I need to combine the data - frequently - into a form that look like:

<i><tab><line i of fld A><tab><line i of fld B><tab><line i of fld 
C><tab><line i of fld D><cr>

For the number of lines in the set of fields. Currently I do this as 
follows:

put empty into vCombined
put fld A into v1
put fld B into v2
put fld C into v3
put fld D into v4
repeat with i=1 to the number of lines in v1
   put i &tab& line i of v1 &tab& line i of v2 &tab& line i of v3 &tab& 
line i of v4 into line i of vCombined
end repeat

I put the field contents into variable before the loop to combine them 
as my understanding is variable access is faster than field access in a loop

My question to the Hivemind is: Is there a noticeably faster way to 
covert these field to the tab delimited structure as show above than the 
code above?

This current takes about 20 seconds for 2000 lines or about a second per 
100 lines (very roughly, I was not using a timer in my code, just my 
wristwatch seconds in the IDE debugger between breakpoints)

Thank you for any pointers in advance,

Paul Dupuis
Researchware



From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Aug 19 18:07:52 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2022 22:07:52 +0000
Subject: Livecode performance problem
In-Reply-To: <c9167335-177e-87b1-7da7-b9a8b9028cab@researchware.com>
References: <c9167335-177e-87b1-7da7-b9a8b9028cab@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <68DC59EA-3206-4A23-8BB3-D35ECDB86619@iotecdigital.com>

Off the top of my head:

split v1 by tab
split v2 by tab
split v3 by tab
split v4 by tab

put the keys of v1 into tKeyList
sort tKeyList ascending numeric

repeat for each line tKey in tKeyList
   put tKey & tab & v1 [tKey] & tab & v2 [tKey] & tab & v3 [tKey] & tab & v4 [tKey] & cr after tCombined
end repeat

Not sure if this will be faster, but every time you refer to a line of a string the engine has to parse out where that line is from the beginning. Parsing times will increase exponentially (is that the right term?) the more lines you are parsing in both the source strings AND the destination string. 

But arrays are indexed memory locations so the engine knows exactly where every bit of text is. And putting something after a string does not have to parse to find the end, the engine knows where that is in memory. It might be even faster though if you build an array as output and then use the combine command to convert it all at once to a string. 

I am assuming of course that splitting does not put lines of text in random order in the array. Arrays can be dicey that way. 

Bob S



> On Aug 19, 2022, at 14:09 , Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I have a set of fields, call them A, B, C, and D. Each has the same number of lines. Each field has different text (per line)
> 
> I need to combine the data - frequently - into a form that look like:
> 
> <i><tab><line i of fld A><tab><line i of fld B><tab><line i of fld C><tab><line i of fld D><cr>
> 
> For the number of lines in the set of fields. Currently I do this as follows:
> 
> put empty into vCombined
> put fld A into v1
> put fld B into v2
> put fld C into v3
> put fld D into v4
> repeat with i=1 to the number of lines in v1
>   put i &tab& line i of v1 &tab& line i of v2 &tab& line i of v3 &tab& line i of v4 into line i of vCombined
> end repeat
> 
> I put the field contents into variable before the loop to combine them as my understanding is variable access is faster than field access in a loop
> 
> My question to the Hivemind is: Is there a noticeably faster way to covert these field to the tab delimited structure as show above than the code above?
> 
> This current takes about 20 seconds for 2000 lines or about a second per 100 lines (very roughly, I was not using a timer in my code, just my wristwatch seconds in the IDE debugger between breakpoints)
> 
> Thank you for any pointers in advance,
> 
> Paul Dupuis
> Researchware
> 
> 
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From brian at milby7.com  Fri Aug 19 18:13:04 2022
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2022 18:13:04 -0400
Subject: Livecode performance problem
In-Reply-To: <c9167335-177e-87b1-7da7-b9a8b9028cab@researchware.com>
References: <c9167335-177e-87b1-7da7-b9a8b9028cab@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <2C1E62C0-0048-4841-AC72-6BFAC56C9A35@milby7.com>

First optimization would be to put … & cr after vCombined and then delete the trailing from when done.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 19, 2022, at 5:11 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I have a set of fields, call them A, B, C, and D. Each has the same number of lines. Each field has different text (per line)
> 
> I need to combine the data - frequently - into a form that look like:
> 
> <i><tab><line i of fld A><tab><line i of fld B><tab><line i of fld C><tab><line i of fld D><cr>
> 
> For the number of lines in the set of fields. Currently I do this as follows:
> 
> put empty into vCombined
> put fld A into v1
> put fld B into v2
> put fld C into v3
> put fld D into v4
> repeat with i=1 to the number of lines in v1
>   put i &tab& line i of v1 &tab& line i of v2 &tab& line i of v3 &tab& line i of v4 into line i of vCombined
> end repeat
> 
> I put the field contents into variable before the loop to combine them as my understanding is variable access is faster than field access in a loop
> 
> My question to the Hivemind is: Is there a noticeably faster way to covert these field to the tab delimited structure as show above than the code above?
> 
> This current takes about 20 seconds for 2000 lines or about a second per 100 lines (very roughly, I was not using a timer in my code, just my wristwatch seconds in the IDE debugger between breakpoints)
> 
> Thank you for any pointers in advance,
> 
> Paul Dupuis
> Researchware
> 
> 
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From brian at milby7.com  Fri Aug 19 18:25:48 2022
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2022 18:25:48 -0400
Subject: Livecode performance problem
In-Reply-To: <68DC59EA-3206-4A23-8BB3-D35ECDB86619@iotecdigital.com>
References: <c9167335-177e-87b1-7da7-b9a8b9028cab@researchware.com>
 <68DC59EA-3206-4A23-8BB3-D35ECDB86619@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CA+yhkRZT_jbbhOEafF+=EGku+SLk4GaG-mbmJuAza1hGO6k5kA@mail.gmail.com>

Based on what Bob said, here is my version of that handler:

on mouseUp
   local tA, tB, tC, tD, tAll, tStart, tEnd
   put fld "A" into tA
   put fld "B" into tB
   put fld "C" into tC
   put fld "D" into tD
   --
   put the milliseconds into tStart
   split tA by cr
   split tB by cr
   split tC by cr
   split tD by cr
   repeat with i=1 to the number of lines of the keys of tA
      put i & tab & tA[i] & tab & tB[i] & tab & tC[i] & tab & tD[i] & cr
after tAll
   end repeat
   delete the last char of tAll
   put the milliseconds into tEnd
   put (tEnd - tStart) & cr & tAll into fld "result"
end mouseUp

I used very short lines, but this way was 3/4ms; my initial method was
6/7ms; your original method was 15/16ms.

On Fri, Aug 19, 2022 at 6:09 PM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Off the top of my head:
>
> split v1 by tab
> split v2 by tab
> split v3 by tab
> split v4 by tab
>
> put the keys of v1 into tKeyList
> sort tKeyList ascending numeric
>
> repeat for each line tKey in tKeyList
>    put tKey & tab & v1 [tKey] & tab & v2 [tKey] & tab & v3 [tKey] & tab &
> v4 [tKey] & cr after tCombined
> end repeat
>
> Not sure if this will be faster, but every time you refer to a line of a
> string the engine has to parse out where that line is from the beginning.
> Parsing times will increase exponentially (is that the right term?) the
> more lines you are parsing in both the source strings AND the destination
> string.
>
> But arrays are indexed memory locations so the engine knows exactly where
> every bit of text is. And putting something after a string does not have to
> parse to find the end, the engine knows where that is in memory. It might
> be even faster though if you build an array as output and then use the
> combine command to convert it all at once to a string.
>
> I am assuming of course that splitting does not put lines of text in
> random order in the array. Arrays can be dicey that way.
>
> Bob S
>
>
>
> > On Aug 19, 2022, at 14:09 , Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > I have a set of fields, call them A, B, C, and D. Each has the same
> number of lines. Each field has different text (per line)
> >
> > I need to combine the data - frequently - into a form that look like:
> >
> > <i><tab><line i of fld A><tab><line i of fld B><tab><line i of fld
> C><tab><line i of fld D><cr>
> >
> > For the number of lines in the set of fields. Currently I do this as
> follows:
> >
> > put empty into vCombined
> > put fld A into v1
> > put fld B into v2
> > put fld C into v3
> > put fld D into v4
> > repeat with i=1 to the number of lines in v1
> >   put i &tab& line i of v1 &tab& line i of v2 &tab& line i of v3 &tab&
> line i of v4 into line i of vCombined
> > end repeat
> >
> > I put the field contents into variable before the loop to combine them
> as my understanding is variable access is faster than field access in a loop
> >
> > My question to the Hivemind is: Is there a noticeably faster way to
> covert these field to the tab delimited structure as show above than the
> code above?
> >
> > This current takes about 20 seconds for 2000 lines or about a second per
> 100 lines (very roughly, I was not using a timer in my code, just my
> wristwatch seconds in the IDE debugger between breakpoints)
> >
> > Thank you for any pointers in advance,
> >
> > Paul Dupuis
> > Researchware
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>
>
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From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Fri Aug 19 18:32:37 2022
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2022 15:32:37 -0700
Subject: Livecode performance problem
In-Reply-To: <68DC59EA-3206-4A23-8BB3-D35ECDB86619@iotecdigital.com>
References: <c9167335-177e-87b1-7da7-b9a8b9028cab@researchware.com>
 <68DC59EA-3206-4A23-8BB3-D35ECDB86619@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <d6570ed6-b3eb-5433-d1de-4e44db14677f@sonic.net>

On 8/19/22 15:07, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
> Off the top of my head:
> 
> split v1 by tab
> split v2 by tab
> split v3 by tab
> split v4 by tab
> 
> put the keys of v1 into tKeyList
> sort tKeyList ascending numeric
> 
> repeat for each line tKey in tKeyList
>     put tKey & tab & v1 [tKey] & tab & v2 [tKey] & tab & v3 [tKey] & tab & v4 [tKey] & cr after tCombined
> end repeat
> 
> Not sure if this will be faster, but every time you refer to a line of a string the engine has to parse out where that line is from the beginning.

It is indeed faster. Here's what I came up with. I'm not sure why 2000 
lines of text in four fields should take that long, I came up with

original code: 320 ms
array version: 21 ms

    put empty into vCombined
    put fld "A" into v1
    put fld "B" into v2
    put fld "C" into v3
    put fld "D" into v4
    split v1 by cr
    split v2 by cr
    split v3 by cr
    split v4 by cr
    put 1 into i
    repeat for each element tLine in v1
       put i&tab&v1[i]&tab&v2[i]&tab&v3[i]&tab&v4[i]&tab&cr after vCombined
       add 1 to i
    end repeat



-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Aug 19 19:03:22 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2022 23:03:22 +0000
Subject: Livecode performance problem
In-Reply-To: <d6570ed6-b3eb-5433-d1de-4e44db14677f@sonic.net>
References: <c9167335-177e-87b1-7da7-b9a8b9028cab@researchware.com>
 <68DC59EA-3206-4A23-8BB3-D35ECDB86619@iotecdigital.com>
 <d6570ed6-b3eb-5433-d1de-4e44db14677f@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <A30F607B-EA45-496B-BA19-11F681D205BF@iotecdigital.com>

It's probably a lot of text. The engine has to start from the beginning of every string then scan through for every cr or lf or cr/lf or whatever counts as a line break, until if finds the nth one. The more lines, the longer the scan takes each time, and the more text per line the exponentially more time it takes. Multiply that by 4 times plus the combinination of all of them as the code progresses *4 for the output string and you have the makings of a mountain that keeps getting steeper the higher you go.

That is my understanding at least.

Bob S


On Aug 19, 2022, at 15:32 , Mark Wieder via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com<mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:

It is indeed faster. Here's what I came up with. I'm not sure why 2000 lines of text in four fields should take that long, I came up with


From alex at tweedly.net  Fri Aug 19 19:31:00 2022
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2022 00:31:00 +0100
Subject: Livecode performance problem
In-Reply-To: <d6570ed6-b3eb-5433-d1de-4e44db14677f@sonic.net>
References: <c9167335-177e-87b1-7da7-b9a8b9028cab@researchware.com>
 <68DC59EA-3206-4A23-8BB3-D35ECDB86619@iotecdigital.com>
 <d6570ed6-b3eb-5433-d1de-4e44db14677f@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <b0483cdb-05e4-a1ea-bd03-1cc71171ab27@tweedly.net>


On 19/08/2022 23:32, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:
>
> It is indeed faster. Here's what I came up with. I'm not sure why 2000 
> lines of text in four fields should take that long, I came up with
>
> original code: 320 ms
> array version: 21 ms
>
>    put empty into vCombined
>    put fld "A" into v1
>    put fld "B" into v2
>    put fld "C" into v3
>    put fld "D" into v4
>    split v1 by cr
>    split v2 by cr
>    split v3 by cr
>    split v4 by cr
>    put 1 into i
>    repeat for each element tLine in v1
>       put i&tab&v1[i]&tab&v2[i]&tab&v3[i]&tab&v4[i]&tab&cr after 
> vCombined
>       add 1 to i
>    end repeat

which is already quick enough that any further improvement is mainly 
academic.

But for the record:

"repeat for each line " is very efficient for a single variable, o you 
can avoid one of the four 'split's, and use the line variable to count 
your loop.

>    --   split v1 by cr
>    split v2 by cr
>    split v3 by cr
>    split v4 by cr
>    put 1 into i
>    repeat for each line tLine in v1
>       put i&tab& tLine &tab& v2[i] &tab& v3[i] &tab& v4[i] & cr after 
> vCombined
>       add 1 to i
>    end repeat
>
to trim about another 15% off the time (for my sample data, 24ms down to 
20ms.)

(and if you know that one of the four fields typically contains much 
more text (i.e. longer lines) than the others, you would choose it to 
not be split).

Alex.




From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Fri Aug 19 19:40:56 2022
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2022 16:40:56 -0700
Subject: Livecode performance problem
In-Reply-To: <b0483cdb-05e4-a1ea-bd03-1cc71171ab27@tweedly.net>
References: <c9167335-177e-87b1-7da7-b9a8b9028cab@researchware.com>
 <68DC59EA-3206-4A23-8BB3-D35ECDB86619@iotecdigital.com>
 <d6570ed6-b3eb-5433-d1de-4e44db14677f@sonic.net>
 <b0483cdb-05e4-a1ea-bd03-1cc71171ab27@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <3c565e25-2696-b1cb-2589-55c5df7db0d0@sonic.net>

On 8/19/22 16:31, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:

> to trim about another 15% off the time (for my sample data, 24ms down to 
> 20ms.)

Nice.
Note, of course, that we're all going on the assumption that all four 
fields contain the same number of lines.


-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com


From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Fri Aug 19 19:42:31 2022
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2022 16:42:31 -0700
Subject: Livecode performance problem
In-Reply-To: <A30F607B-EA45-496B-BA19-11F681D205BF@iotecdigital.com>
References: <c9167335-177e-87b1-7da7-b9a8b9028cab@researchware.com>
 <68DC59EA-3206-4A23-8BB3-D35ECDB86619@iotecdigital.com>
 <d6570ed6-b3eb-5433-d1de-4e44db14677f@sonic.net>
 <A30F607B-EA45-496B-BA19-11F681D205BF@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <0e4818fe-4eb3-7d92-b786-aaf55324d931@sonic.net>

On 8/19/22 16:03, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
> It's probably a lot of text. The engine has to start from the beginning of every string then scan through for every cr or lf or cr/lf or whatever counts as a line break, until if finds the nth one. The more lines, the longer the scan takes each time, and the more text per line the exponentially more time it takes. Multiply that by 4 times plus the combinination of all of them as the code progresses *4 for the output string and you have the makings of a mountain that keeps getting steeper the higher you go.

My tests were based on 2174 lines of text in each field.
Got nowhere near 20 seconds. Or even one.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com


From alex at tweedly.net  Fri Aug 19 19:46:54 2022
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2022 00:46:54 +0100
Subject: Livecode performance problem
In-Reply-To: <A30F607B-EA45-496B-BA19-11F681D205BF@iotecdigital.com>
References: <c9167335-177e-87b1-7da7-b9a8b9028cab@researchware.com>
 <68DC59EA-3206-4A23-8BB3-D35ECDB86619@iotecdigital.com>
 <d6570ed6-b3eb-5433-d1de-4e44db14677f@sonic.net>
 <A30F607B-EA45-496B-BA19-11F681D205BF@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <03b5bb40-b79a-87d2-3eeb-590fd13d5b63@tweedly.net>


On 20/08/2022 00:03, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
> It's probably a lot of text. The engine has to start from the beginning of every string then scan through for every cr or lf or cr/lf or whatever counts as a line break, until if finds the nth one. The more lines, the longer the scan takes each time, and the more text per line the exponentially more time it takes. Multiply that by 4 times plus the combinination of all of them as the code progresses *4 for the output string and you have the makings of a mountain that keeps getting steeper the higher you go.

Yes, for all the input strings. For the output string, it's just a "put 
... after ...", so there is no need to count or scan the output string; 
LC already keeps (effectively) a pointer to the end of a string, and 
optimizes the straightforward extension at the end of a string.

Alex.




From paul at researchware.com  Fri Aug 19 19:50:50 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2022 19:50:50 -0400
Subject: Livecode performance problem
In-Reply-To: <3c565e25-2696-b1cb-2589-55c5df7db0d0@sonic.net>
References: <c9167335-177e-87b1-7da7-b9a8b9028cab@researchware.com>
 <68DC59EA-3206-4A23-8BB3-D35ECDB86619@iotecdigital.com>
 <d6570ed6-b3eb-5433-d1de-4e44db14677f@sonic.net>
 <b0483cdb-05e4-a1ea-bd03-1cc71171ab27@tweedly.net>
 <3c565e25-2696-b1cb-2589-55c5df7db0d0@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <049a6def-606b-365a-46e7-5f06117b8e11@researchware.com>

On 8/19/2022 7:40 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:
> On 8/19/22 16:31, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:
>
>> to trim about another 15% off the time (for my sample data, 24ms down 
>> to 20ms.)
>
> Nice.
> Note, of course, that we're all going on the assumption that all four 
> fields contain the same number of lines.
>
>

Thank you all for the example of improving performance over my clunky code.

Yes, all the fields contain the same number of lines.

For strange legacy application reasons, when lines get added to the set 
of fields (a frequency action by users - sometimes adding hundreds of 
lines a day), the data has to be repackaged into this tab delimited 
structure in a single variable to run some procedures on.

So a user driven action of:

1) Add a line (or a few) to the fields
2) repackage data and run a few procedures
3) User repeats starting at step 1

Can become very slow as the number of lines in the fields gets large - 
as you all have noted!

Thank you all again!




From alex at tweedly.net  Fri Aug 19 19:53:34 2022
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2022 00:53:34 +0100
Subject: The use-livecode list.
Message-ID: <5cb8b3fc-7d7d-0abb-729e-008278097d19@tweedly.net>

I've had a pretty shitty day. A variety of things have happened, or not 
happened, that made it not one of the good days.

So I was not happy, and rather grumpy. (My apologies to Panos for being 
ungracious in an earlier post - it was meant to be a plea for 
completeness of the product in preference to more work-arounds - but it 
came across wrongly. Sorry, Panos).

And then, the use-list comes up with a nice, tight, well-defined problem 
to tackle - and now I can end my day on a puzzle-solving high note, 
rather than dragging myself off to bed on a downbeat.

Thanks again, use-list !!

Alex.




From paul at researchware.com  Fri Aug 19 20:14:19 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2022 20:14:19 -0400
Subject: The use-livecode list.
In-Reply-To: <5cb8b3fc-7d7d-0abb-729e-008278097d19@tweedly.net>
References: <5cb8b3fc-7d7d-0abb-729e-008278097d19@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <0b143678-234d-5a3e-ef2b-1940327537f5@researchware.com>

No, THANK YOU!


On 8/19/2022 7:53 PM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:
> I've had a pretty shitty day. A variety of things have happened, or 
> not happened, that made it not one of the good days.
>
> So I was not happy, and rather grumpy. (My apologies to Panos for 
> being ungracious in an earlier post - it was meant to be a plea for 
> completeness of the product in preference to more work-arounds - but 
> it came across wrongly. Sorry, Panos).
>
> And then, the use-list comes up with a nice, tight, well-defined 
> problem to tackle - and now I can end my day on a puzzle-solving high 
> note, rather than dragging myself off to bed on a downbeat.
>
> Thanks again, use-list !!
>
> Alex.
>
>
>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Aug 19 20:43:17 2022
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2022 19:43:17 -0500
Subject: The use-livecode list.
In-Reply-To: <5cb8b3fc-7d7d-0abb-729e-008278097d19@tweedly.net>
References: <5cb8b3fc-7d7d-0abb-729e-008278097d19@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <182b8b44088.27a5.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>

We did it just for you because we've all been there.

:)

--
Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
On August 19, 2022 6:54:47 PM Alex Tweedly via use-livecode 
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I've had a pretty shitty day. A variety of things have happened, or not
> happened, that made it not one of the good days.
>
> So I was not happy, and rather grumpy. (My apologies to Panos for being
> ungracious in an earlier post - it was meant to be a plea for
> completeness of the product in preference to more work-arounds - but it
> came across wrongly. Sorry, Panos).
>
> And then, the use-list comes up with a nice, tight, well-defined problem
> to tackle - and now I can end my day on a puzzle-solving high note,
> rather than dragging myself off to bed on a downbeat.
>
> Thanks again, use-list !!
>
> Alex.
>
>
>
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> subscription preferences:
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From kevin at livecode.com  Sat Aug 20 04:22:35 2022
From: kevin at livecode.com (Kevin Miller)
Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2022 09:22:35 +0100
Subject: A few issues with web apps
In-Reply-To: <3A71F07E-2984-4797-AA82-3F9B63999504@tweedly.net>
References: <CA+JfEq9ToE-BRTOP-d+6JpxM=+SN-SXrvevmRMWuWrjt3E75pQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <3A71F07E-2984-4797-AA82-3F9B63999504@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <A271A8CE-8A86-47B9-9314-F120A60647C8@livecode.com>

Don't worry the goal is for zero workarounds by the time we're ready to ship GM. These things are just there to keep you going in the mean time.

Kind regards,

Kevin

Kevin Miller ~ kevin at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
LiveCode: Develop Yourself

On 19/08/2022, 18:16, "use-livecode on behalf of Tweedly via use-livecode" <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com on behalf of use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:


    > On 19 Aug 2022, at 16:01, panagiotis m via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
    > 
    > Hello all,
    > 
    > BTW, I just wrote a lesson on how to scroll a LC text field on Web using
    > <do .. as javascript>:
    >> 
    Thank you. 
    But at the risk of sounding ungrateful - please don’t.
    Please just make basic functionality like resizing, scrolling, etc. Work properly and nicely out of the box.
    Alex.

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From dfe4 at cornell.edu  Sat Aug 20 13:45:38 2022
From: dfe4 at cornell.edu (David Epstein)
Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2022 13:45:38 -0400
Subject: Livecode performance problem
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1661011201.253146.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.1.1661011201.253146.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <04A45A17-EA75-4FC3-AA91-C32AD0BB2057@cornell.edu>

I didn’t text the speed, but why not

put fld A into x[1]
put fld B into x[2]
put fld C into x[3]
put fld D into x[4]
combine x by column
return x

> 
> I have a set of fields, call them A, B, C, and D. Each has the same 
> number of lines. Each field has different text (per line)
> 
> I need to combine the data - frequently - into a form that look like:
> 
> <i><tab><line i of fld A><tab><line i of fld B><tab><line i of fld 
> C><tab><line i of fld D><cr>



From alex at tweedly.net  Sat Aug 20 17:59:47 2022
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2022 22:59:47 +0100
Subject: Livecode performance problem
In-Reply-To: <04A45A17-EA75-4FC3-AA91-C32AD0BB2057@cornell.edu>
References: <mailman.1.1661011201.253146.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
 <04A45A17-EA75-4FC3-AA91-C32AD0BB2057@cornell.edu>
Message-ID: <556a05c7-a854-9826-7802-dde16e670739@tweedly.net>

I can't answer for anyone else, but for me - because I never thought 
about it :-)

Combine by column - never used it before, so never thought of it.

It's significantly faster, roughly 40% improvement over the previous best.

Note, the spec requires that each line begins with the line number, so 
you need to add something like:

>    local tmp
>    repeat with i = 1 to the number of lines in g1
>       put i &CR after tmp
>    end repeat
>    put tmp into x[1]
>
>    put g1 into x[2]
>    put g2 into x[3]
>    put g3 into x[4]
>    put g4 into x[5]
and finish off with

    combine x by column
    put cr after x

to fully match the earlier results.

Alex.

On 20/08/2022 18:45, David Epstein via use-livecode wrote:
> I didnt text the speed, but why not
>
> put fld A into x[1]
> put fld B into x[2]
> put fld C into x[3]
> put fld D into x[4]
> combine x by column
> return x
>
>> I have a set of fields, call them A, B, C, and D. Each has the same
>> number of lines. Each field has different text (per line)
>>
>> I need to combine the data - frequently - into a form that look like:
>>
>> <i><tab><line i of fld A><tab><line i of fld B><tab><line i of fld
>> C><tab><line i of fld D><cr>
>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Aug 20 18:54:30 2022
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2022 17:54:30 -0500
Subject: A few issues with web apps
In-Reply-To: <fbd7ddec-1816-301d-43e5-152b84e1f034@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <fbd7ddec-1816-301d-43e5-152b84e1f034@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <04917201-7c01-8edb-f72f-d4335a1f3a2c@hyperactivesw.com>

On 8/18/22 2:52 PM, I wrote:
> All in all, everything else works, which is really quite incredible.

When I accidentally started replying to Andreas privately instead of to the list (I should pay 
more attention, geez) he suggested others may want to see my test app. Thanks to Andreas for 
being so polite about it.

So here you go:

<http://www.hyperactivesw.com/testfiles/monkeys/monkeys.html>

On desktop browsers, everything works great. On mobile it works pretty well except for text 
entry and a minor display issue.

On mobile it isn't possible to drag-select text in editable fields. Typing is iffy as well, and 
depending on the (Android) keyboard you use, the cursor can be misaligned and/or key presses 
don't always insert entries. I didn't test on iOS.

I've added a simple behavior to all the scrolling fields and removed the ugly field scrollbar. 
It tracks the mouse movement and scrolls the field accordingly. That works on desktop but 
doesn't work on mobile. This matches the behavior of anything draggable: the slider widget 
button, the buttons in the Population example that use "grab", and the LC field scroller thumb.

On both desktop and mobile, text styling isn't working. Some of the text in the "What is this?" 
substack should be bold but displays as plain. On the other hand, the substack does display 
correctly layered over the mainstack. I had wondered if it would work, and it does.

I know this will all get fixed so I'm not worried. This is just an example of where we're at 
right now for anyone curious. Overall, web deployment is very impressive. I was surprised at 
how good it is even in an unfinished state.

BTW, the ideas behind this stack are not original. I first re-created them in MetaCard based on 
online discussions 20 years ago, and when I opened it recently in LC 10 the stack opened 
without error. Kudos to Mark Waddingham's attention to backward compatibility.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From paul at researchware.com  Sat Aug 20 21:14:46 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2022 21:14:46 -0400
Subject: Livecode performance problem
In-Reply-To: <556a05c7-a854-9826-7802-dde16e670739@tweedly.net>
References: <mailman.1.1661011201.253146.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
 <04A45A17-EA75-4FC3-AA91-C32AD0BB2057@cornell.edu>
 <556a05c7-a854-9826-7802-dde16e670739@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <5a8ff08e-86c7-2c36-c70e-706e31680360@researchware.com>

Thank you!

The prior solutions have dramatically reduced the time - the WHOLE 
analytics process in its entirety because of the slowness of my old code 
was taking HOURS (like 6-10) - and is now down to 30-35 minutes with the 
prior solutions. I can't wait to tr the combine by columns method to see 
how much more (40%! WOW!) it reduced the overall process time further!


On 8/20/2022 5:59 PM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:
> I can't answer for anyone else, but for me - because I never thought 
> about it :-)
>
> Combine by column - never used it before, so never thought of it.
>
> It's significantly faster, roughly 40% improvement over the previous 
> best.
>
> Note, the spec requires that each line begins with the line number, so 
> you need to add something like:
>
>>    local tmp
>>    repeat with i = 1 to the number of lines in g1
>>       put i &CR after tmp
>>    end repeat
>>    put tmp into x[1]
>>
>>    put g1 into x[2]
>>    put g2 into x[3]
>>    put g3 into x[4]
>>    put g4 into x[5]
> and finish off with
>
>    combine x by column
>    put cr after x
>
> to fully match the earlier results.
>
> Alex.
>
> On 20/08/2022 18:45, David Epstein via use-livecode wrote:
>> I didnt text the speed, but why not
>>
>> put fld A into x[1]
>> put fld B into x[2]
>> put fld C into x[3]
>> put fld D into x[4]
>> combine x by column
>> return x
>>
>>> I have a set of fields, call them A, B, C, and D. Each has the same
>>> number of lines. Each field has different text (per line)
>>>
>>> I need to combine the data - frequently - into a form that look like:
>>>
>>> <i><tab><line i of fld A><tab><line i of fld B><tab><line i of fld
>>> C><tab><line i of fld D><cr>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
>> subscription preferences:
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From dochawk at gmail.com  Sat Aug 20 21:43:04 2022
From: dochawk at gmail.com (doc hawk)
Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2022 18:43:04 -0700
Subject: Livecode performance problem
In-Reply-To: <c9167335-177e-87b1-7da7-b9a8b9028cab@researchware.com>
References: <c9167335-177e-87b1-7da7-b9a8b9028cab@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <8C1C8F20-658A-4D49-A456-1623F36FBF30@gmail.com>

Short version: inserting between is a much slower process than after, as the entire field/string/whatever from the post of insertion has to be moved or otherwise handled.




From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Sun Aug 21 08:45:12 2022
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2022 08:45:12 -0400
Subject: addIcon issue
Message-ID: <CADCoycNBi=9Rsv0mnXv16nghLi3MDYzHnOLs1WukZP__WFcmMQ@mail.gmail.com>

I have an svg widget that draws correctly, so I'm trying to add it to the
library, but addIcon does not seem to be working.
After calling addIcon, I try to search for the icon, but it does not appear
in the icon picker, and adding it by name does not work, either.
Here's the line:
get addIcon("test","m 13,21.59 -4.29,-4.3 -1.42,1.42 5,5 a 1,1 0 0 0 1.41,0
l 13,-13 -1.41,-1.42 z M 25,0 H 7 A 7,7 0 0 0 0,7 v 18 a 7,7 0 0 0 7,7 h 18
a 7,7 0 0 0 7,-7 V 7 A 7,7 0 0 0 25,0 Z m 5,25 a 5,5 0 0 1 -5,5 H 7 A 5,5 0
0 1 2,25 V 7 A 5,5 0 0 1 7,2 h 18 a 5,5 0 0 1 5,5 z",0)


-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."

From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Sun Aug 21 09:26:04 2022
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2022 09:26:04 -0400
Subject: powerbutton (megabundle) is FUN
Message-ID: <CADCoycMxtNLCjY6ttArTV11zkt_N2hYXUCv_V8OU10dcT20TJw@mail.gmail.com>

I bought the megabundle, unsure what to expect from the stuff that comes
with it. polylist/polygrid look like they are going to be great.
as a tmControls nerd, i'm spoiled for gret-looking buttons with more
options to customize them and get them to do all sorts of marvelous things.
i think i'm about to switch to powerbutton.
these have all the customization options and a few more to boot and they
respond faster, because they are widgets instead of groups.
this is an underrated widget.
-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."

From prothero at earthlearningsolutions.org  Sun Aug 21 11:08:15 2022
From: prothero at earthlearningsolutions.org (William Prothero)
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2022 08:08:15 -0700
Subject: A few issues with web apps
In-Reply-To: <04917201-7c01-8edb-f72f-d4335a1f3a2c@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <04917201-7c01-8edb-f72f-d4335a1f3a2c@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <973017A5-22AD-4D45-8D46-25983EF0C9DD@earthlearningsolutions.org>

Jacqueline,
Thanks for the great status report on Livecode web deployment. From my perspective, it's finally starting to look promising. The first thing I noticed was the speed of bringing up the first page. I'm looking forward to working with the web deployment when it gets far enough in its development.

Best,
Bill

William A. Prothero, PhD
Prof Emeritus, Dept of Earth Science
University of California, Santa Barbara

> On Aug 20, 2022, at 3:56 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> On 8/18/22 2:52 PM, I wrote:
>> All in all, everything else works, which is really quite incredible.
> 
> When I accidentally started replying to Andreas privately instead of to the list (I should pay more attention, geez) he suggested others may want to see my test app. Thanks to Andreas for being so polite about it.
> 
> So here you go:
> 
> <http://www.hyperactivesw.com/testfiles/monkeys/monkeys.html>
> 
> On desktop browsers, everything works great. On mobile it works pretty well except for text entry and a minor display issue.
> 
> On mobile it isn't possible to drag-select text in editable fields. Typing is iffy as well, and depending on the (Android) keyboard you use, the cursor can be misaligned and/or key presses don't always insert entries. I didn't test on iOS.
> 
> I've added a simple behavior to all the scrolling fields and removed the ugly field scrollbar. It tracks the mouse movement and scrolls the field accordingly. That works on desktop but doesn't work on mobile. This matches the behavior of anything draggable: the slider widget button, the buttons in the Population example that use "grab", and the LC field scroller thumb.
> 
> On both desktop and mobile, text styling isn't working. Some of the text in the "What is this?" substack should be bold but displays as plain. On the other hand, the substack does display correctly layered over the mainstack. I had wondered if it would work, and it does.
> 
> I know this will all get fixed so I'm not worried. This is just an example of where we're at right now for anyone curious. Overall, web deployment is very impressive. I was surprised at how good it is even in an unfinished state.
> 
> BTW, the ideas behind this stack are not original. I first re-created them in MetaCard based on online discussions 20 years ago, and when I opened it recently in LC 10 the stack opened without error. Kudos to Mark Waddingham's attention to backward compatibility.
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> 
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> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Aug 21 13:20:27 2022
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2022 12:20:27 -0500
Subject: addIcon issue
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycNBi=9Rsv0mnXv16nghLi3MDYzHnOLs1WukZP__WFcmMQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycNBi=9Rsv0mnXv16nghLi3MDYzHnOLs1WukZP__WFcmMQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <182c16b8b78.27a5.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>

I don't think you can add to the default icon family. The docs say that if 
you haven't specified a family then the icon goes into one named "custom". 
So see what you get when you run iconFamilies() and if "custom" is in there 
then set the family using setCurrentIconFamily("custom").

If you prefer, you can create your own family with its own name with 
addIconFamily. In any case you have to set the current family before you 
can use its icons.
--
Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
On August 21, 2022 7:48:13 AM Mike Kerner via use-livecode 
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I have an svg widget that draws correctly, so I'm trying to add it to the
> library, but addIcon does not seem to be working.
> After calling addIcon, I try to search for the icon, but it does not appear
> in the icon picker, and adding it by name does not work, either.
> Here's the line:
> get addIcon("test","m 13,21.59 -4.29,-4.3 -1.42,1.42 5,5 a 1,1 0 0 0 1.41,0
> l 13,-13 -1.41,-1.42 z M 25,0 H 7 A 7,7 0 0 0 0,7 v 18 a 7,7 0 0 0 7,7 h 18
> a 7,7 0 0 0 7,-7 V 7 A 7,7 0 0 0 25,0 Z m 5,25 a 5,5 0 0 1 -5,5 H 7 A 5,5 0
> 0 1 2,25 V 7 A 5,5 0 0 1 7,2 h 18 a 5,5 0 0 1 5,5 z",0)
>
>
> --
> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>   and did a little diving.
> And God said, "This is good."
> _______________________________________________
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> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Sun Aug 21 13:56:38 2022
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2022 13:56:38 -0400
Subject: addIcon issue
In-Reply-To: <182c16b8b78.27a5.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <CADCoycNBi=9Rsv0mnXv16nghLi3MDYzHnOLs1WukZP__WFcmMQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <182c16b8b78.27a5.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycOKsPLeKc5FzJbT+jDRsu2oGA4CsTKor=HC9EnHuXcYFQ@mail.gmail.com>

reading through the library, it appears that you are correct - you cannot
add to the default family.
changing the family using setCurrentIconFamily("custom") does cause the
picker to show those icons. if i want to select one for assignment to a
widget, is that the only way to do it? entering custom/test does not seem
to work. instead i have to set the family and then choose the icon

On Sun, Aug 21, 2022 at 1:21 PM J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I don't think you can add to the default icon family. The docs say that if
> you haven't specified a family then the icon goes into one named "custom".
> So see what you get when you run iconFamilies() and if "custom" is in
> there
> then set the family using setCurrentIconFamily("custom").
>
> If you prefer, you can create your own family with its own name with
> addIconFamily. In any case you have to set the current family before you
> can use its icons.
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> On August 21, 2022 7:48:13 AM Mike Kerner via use-livecode
> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > I have an svg widget that draws correctly, so I'm trying to add it to the
> > library, but addIcon does not seem to be working.
> > After calling addIcon, I try to search for the icon, but it does not
> appear
> > in the icon picker, and adding it by name does not work, either.
> > Here's the line:
> > get addIcon("test","m 13,21.59 -4.29,-4.3 -1.42,1.42 5,5 a 1,1 0 0 0
> 1.41,0
> > l 13,-13 -1.41,-1.42 z M 25,0 H 7 A 7,7 0 0 0 0,7 v 18 a 7,7 0 0 0 7,7 h
> 18
> > a 7,7 0 0 0 7,-7 V 7 A 7,7 0 0 0 25,0 Z m 5,25 a 5,5 0 0 1 -5,5 H 7 A
> 5,5 0
> > 0 1 2,25 V 7 A 5,5 0 0 1 7,2 h 18 a 5,5 0 0 1 5,5 z",0)
> >
> >
> > --
> > On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> > On the second day, God created the oceans.
> > On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
> >   and did a little diving.
> > And God said, "This is good."
> > _______________________________________________
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> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > subscription preferences:
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>
>
>
>
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-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."

From brian at milby7.com  Sun Aug 21 14:41:36 2022
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2022 14:41:36 -0400
Subject: addIcon issue
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycOKsPLeKc5FzJbT+jDRsu2oGA4CsTKor=HC9EnHuXcYFQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycOKsPLeKc5FzJbT+jDRsu2oGA4CsTKor=HC9EnHuXcYFQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EE6C8AE0-18F3-44FE-AE91-0CE47ACC2EA4@milby7.com>

Have you looked at SVG Icon Tool (Sample Stacks)?  It can help manage icon families.  You should be able to set the icon using just the short name.  The icon svg library will check the current library first and then cycle through all loaded families looking for a match.  If there is a collision then you don’t know which one will get used (probably the current family and then the rest in order of creation).

Here is a version with a large number of icons included:
https://milby.us/lc/SvgIconTool.zip

I worked on the family code and doubt much has changed since the source was closed.  Version number matches GitHub in the rc1 of 9.6.9 currently.

Thanks,
Brian

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 21, 2022, at 1:58 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> reading through the library, it appears that you are correct - you cannot
> add to the default family.
> changing the family using setCurrentIconFamily("custom") does cause the
> picker to show those icons. if i want to select one for assignment to a
> widget, is that the only way to do it? entering custom/test does not seem
> to work. instead i have to set the family and then choose the icon
> 
>> On Sun, Aug 21, 2022 at 1:21 PM J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I don't think you can add to the default icon family. The docs say that if
>> you haven't specified a family then the icon goes into one named "custom".
>> So see what you get when you run iconFamilies() and if "custom" is in
>> there
>> then set the family using setCurrentIconFamily("custom").
>> 
>> If you prefer, you can create your own family with its own name with
>> addIconFamily. In any case you have to set the current family before you
>> can use its icons.
>> --
>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>> On August 21, 2022 7:48:13 AM Mike Kerner via use-livecode
>> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I have an svg widget that draws correctly, so I'm trying to add it to the
>>> library, but addIcon does not seem to be working.
>>> After calling addIcon, I try to search for the icon, but it does not
>> appear
>>> in the icon picker, and adding it by name does not work, either.
>>> Here's the line:
>>> get addIcon("test","m 13,21.59 -4.29,-4.3 -1.42,1.42 5,5 a 1,1 0 0 0
>> 1.41,0
>>> l 13,-13 -1.41,-1.42 z M 25,0 H 7 A 7,7 0 0 0 0,7 v 18 a 7,7 0 0 0 7,7 h
>> 18
>>> a 7,7 0 0 0 7,-7 V 7 A 7,7 0 0 0 25,0 Z m 5,25 a 5,5 0 0 1 -5,5 H 7 A
>> 5,5 0
>>> 0 1 2,25 V 7 A 5,5 0 0 1 7,2 h 18 a 5,5 0 0 1 5,5 z",0)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
>>> On the second day, God created the oceans.
>>> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>>>  and did a little diving.
>>> And God said, "This is good."
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>> subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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> 
> 
> -- 
> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>   and did a little diving.
> And God said, "This is good."
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Sun Aug 21 14:58:16 2022
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2022 20:58:16 +0200
Subject: Livecode Builder -how t write to a file?
Message-ID: <9D894134-797F-4426-9FF1-9DEFAC1E1FC8@m-r-d.de>

Hi.

From time to time and when time allows i am trying to get used to with Livecode Builder. 
For debugging i would like my lcb script to write some debug code to a file, but i really do not see how this can be done.
I found the experimental com.livecode.file module and the operator 'the filecontents of file...', but unfortunately no script example.

Does anyone know, if and how i can write some data to an external file on hard disk in LCB?


Regards,
Matthias



From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Sun Aug 21 16:30:09 2022
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2022 16:30:09 -0400
Subject: addIcon issue
In-Reply-To: <EE6C8AE0-18F3-44FE-AE91-0CE47ACC2EA4@milby7.com>
References: <CADCoycOKsPLeKc5FzJbT+jDRsu2oGA4CsTKor=HC9EnHuXcYFQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <EE6C8AE0-18F3-44FE-AE91-0CE47ACC2EA4@milby7.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycPMZ04H2T-X=_1i8PY4s0Z+k7StYnmyUNOwGCkBRW_bKQ@mail.gmail.com>

thanks, brian, i'll have a look.
i was reading through the library and the filter code. ralph proposed
adding a family menu (or a means for either specifying the family or
showing all families) to the filter. i think that would be a good idea.

On Sun, Aug 21, 2022 at 2:42 PM Brian Milby via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Have you looked at SVG Icon Tool (Sample Stacks)?  It can help manage icon
> families.  You should be able to set the icon using just the short name.
> The icon svg library will check the current library first and then cycle
> through all loaded families looking for a match.  If there is a collision
> then you don’t know which one will get used (probably the current family
> and then the rest in order of creation).
>
> Here is a version with a large number of icons included:
> https://milby.us/lc/SvgIconTool.zip
>
> I worked on the family code and doubt much has changed since the source
> was closed.  Version number matches GitHub in the rc1 of 9.6.9 currently.
>
> Thanks,
> Brian
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Aug 21, 2022, at 1:58 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > reading through the library, it appears that you are correct - you
> cannot
> > add to the default family.
> > changing the family using setCurrentIconFamily("custom") does cause the
> > picker to show those icons. if i want to select one for assignment to a
> > widget, is that the only way to do it? entering custom/test does not seem
> > to work. instead i have to set the family and then choose the icon
> >
> >> On Sun, Aug 21, 2022 at 1:21 PM J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I don't think you can add to the default icon family. The docs say that
> if
> >> you haven't specified a family then the icon goes into one named
> "custom".
> >> So see what you get when you run iconFamilies() and if "custom" is in
> >> there
> >> then set the family using setCurrentIconFamily("custom").
> >>
> >> If you prefer, you can create your own family with its own name with
> >> addIconFamily. In any case you have to set the current family before you
> >> can use its icons.
> >> --
> >> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> >> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> >> On August 21, 2022 7:48:13 AM Mike Kerner via use-livecode
> >> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I have an svg widget that draws correctly, so I'm trying to add it to
> the
> >>> library, but addIcon does not seem to be working.
> >>> After calling addIcon, I try to search for the icon, but it does not
> >> appear
> >>> in the icon picker, and adding it by name does not work, either.
> >>> Here's the line:
> >>> get addIcon("test","m 13,21.59 -4.29,-4.3 -1.42,1.42 5,5 a 1,1 0 0 0
> >> 1.41,0
> >>> l 13,-13 -1.41,-1.42 z M 25,0 H 7 A 7,7 0 0 0 0,7 v 18 a 7,7 0 0 0 7,7
> h
> >> 18
> >>> a 7,7 0 0 0 7,-7 V 7 A 7,7 0 0 0 25,0 Z m 5,25 a 5,5 0 0 1 -5,5 H 7 A
> >> 5,5 0
> >>> 0 1 2,25 V 7 A 5,5 0 0 1 7,2 h 18 a 5,5 0 0 1 5,5 z",0)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> >>> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> >>> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
> >>>  and did a little diving.
> >>> And God said, "This is good."
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> use-livecode mailing list
> >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> >>> subscription preferences:
> >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
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> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> >> subscription preferences:
> >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> > On the second day, God created the oceans.
> > On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
> >   and did a little diving.
> > And God said, "This is good."
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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> subscription preferences:
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-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."

From marksmithhfx at gmail.com  Sun Aug 21 17:36:28 2022
From: marksmithhfx at gmail.com (Mark Smith)
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2022 22:36:28 +0100
Subject: Livecode performance problem
In-Reply-To: <049a6def-606b-365a-46e7-5f06117b8e11@researchware.com>
References: <c9167335-177e-87b1-7da7-b9a8b9028cab@researchware.com>
 <68DC59EA-3206-4A23-8BB3-D35ECDB86619@iotecdigital.com>
 <d6570ed6-b3eb-5433-d1de-4e44db14677f@sonic.net>
 <b0483cdb-05e4-a1ea-bd03-1cc71171ab27@tweedly.net>
 <3c565e25-2696-b1cb-2589-55c5df7db0d0@sonic.net>
 <049a6def-606b-365a-46e7-5f06117b8e11@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <AF0695DF-10DA-4865-9F61-F4EE329E6046@gmail.com>

Wow, what a great example. I decided to work through the various suggestions just so I could get a better grip on some of LC’s more sophisticated data handling commands. 

My original run using Paul’s example was 8 seconds (2000 lines per field, 1100 chars per line)
Applying Brian’s simple suggestions of using “after” instead of “into” cut that in half (4 seconds)
Splitting the lines and using an array drove the time down to 23 milliseconds. Amazing!
Between those 2 that's 8000 msec -> 23 msec or about  350 times faster.

I will definitely pay more attention to “split” in future.
Great discussion. 

Mark




> On 20 Aug 2022, at 12:50 am, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> On 8/19/2022 7:40 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:
>> On 8/19/22 16:31, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:
>> 
>>> to trim about another 15% off the time (for my sample data, 24ms down to 20ms.)
>> 
>> Nice.
>> Note, of course, that we're all going on the assumption that all four fields contain the same number of lines.
>> 
>> 
> 
> Thank you all for the example of improving performance over my clunky code.
> 
> Yes, all the fields contain the same number of lines.
> 
> For strange legacy application reasons, when lines get added to the set of fields (a frequency action by users - sometimes adding hundreds of lines a day), the data has to be repackaged into this tab delimited structure in a single variable to run some procedures on.
> 
> So a user driven action of:
> 
> 1) Add a line (or a few) to the fields
> 2) repackage data and run a few procedures
> 3) User repeats starting at step 1
> 
> Can become very slow as the number of lines in the fields gets large - as you all have noted!
> 
> Thank you all again!
> 
> 
> 
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From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Sun Aug 21 18:38:17 2022
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2022 00:38:17 +0200
Subject: Livecode Builder -how t write to a file?
In-Reply-To: <9D894134-797F-4426-9FF1-9DEFAC1E1FC8@m-r-d.de>
References: <9D894134-797F-4426-9FF1-9DEFAC1E1FC8@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <CANbzFDq1T--i11YcfgD8_97zbqw8xuDgTQXiWQx9_br7TyZLaQ@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Matthias,

I do not have the answer but a possible workaround.

For debugging purposes I'm using the post message.

In LCB add this handler:
private handler throwWidgetError(in pError as String) returns nothing
   post "catchWidgetError" with [pError]
end handler

Call it by using:
throwWidgetError("Something to log")

And catch it by adding this handler into the card script where you test
your widget:

*command* catchWidgetError pTheError
*   put* pTheError & cr after msg
*end* catchWidgetError

This might be verbose as the message box will take the focus, and the
widget will refresh, so logging in a file instead of the message box would
be a possibility.

*command* catchWidgetError pTheError
*   write *pTheError to file "xxx"
*end* catchWidgetError

On Sun, 21 Aug 2022 at 20:59, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi.
>
> From time to time and when time allows i am trying to get used to with
> Livecode Builder.
> For debugging i would like my lcb script to write some debug code to a
> file, but i really do not see how this can be done.
> I found the experimental com.livecode.file module and the operator 'the
> filecontents of file...', but unfortunately no script example.
>
> Does anyone know, if and how i can write some data to an external file on
> hard disk in LCB?
>
>
> Regards,
> Matthias
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
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>


-- 
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http://www.aslugontheroad.com

From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sun Aug 21 21:28:36 2022
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2022 18:28:36 -0700
Subject: Livecode performance problem
In-Reply-To: <049a6def-606b-365a-46e7-5f06117b8e11@researchware.com>
References: <049a6def-606b-365a-46e7-5f06117b8e11@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <8bc119d6-1455-f6f0-000b-ba149b88b00a@fourthworld.com>

Paul Dupuis wrote:

 > For strange legacy application reasons, when lines get added to the
 > set of fields (a frequency action by users - sometimes adding hundreds
 > of lines a day), the data has to be repackaged into this tab delimited
 > structure in a single variable to run some procedures on.
 >
 > So a user driven action of:
 >
 > 1) Add a line (or a few) to the fields
 > 2) repackage data and run a few procedures
 > 3) User repeats starting at step 1
 >
 > Can become very slow as the number of lines in the fields gets large
 > - as you all have noted!


I'd just bite the bullet and replace those columnar fields with one 
delimited field.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com


From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Mon Aug 22 18:45:34 2022
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2022 00:45:34 +0200
Subject: Livecode Builder -how t write to a file?
In-Reply-To: <CANbzFDq1T--i11YcfgD8_97zbqw8xuDgTQXiWQx9_br7TyZLaQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9D894134-797F-4426-9FF1-9DEFAC1E1FC8@m-r-d.de>
 <CANbzFDq1T--i11YcfgD8_97zbqw8xuDgTQXiWQx9_br7TyZLaQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5E7A5A08-0B06-46D4-8A97-74F057C834D5@m-r-d.de>

Thanks Zryip,

i think that is a good workaround. ;)

Thanks.

Regards,
Matthias


> Am 22.08.2022 um 00:38 schrieb zryip theSlug via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Dear Matthias,
> 
> I do not have the answer but a possible workaround.
> 
> For debugging purposes I'm using the post message.
> 
> In LCB add this handler:
> private handler throwWidgetError(in pError as String) returns nothing
>  post "catchWidgetError" with [pError]
> end handler
> 
> Call it by using:
> throwWidgetError("Something to log")
> 
> And catch it by adding this handler into the card script where you test
> your widget:
> 
> *command* catchWidgetError pTheError
> *   put* pTheError & cr after msg
> *end* catchWidgetError
> 
> This might be verbose as the message box will take the focus, and the
> widget will refresh, so logging in a file instead of the message box would
> be a possibility.
> 
> *command* catchWidgetError pTheError
> *   write *pTheError to file "xxx"
> *end* catchWidgetError
> 
> On Sun, 21 Aug 2022 at 20:59, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hi.
>> 
>> From time to time and when time allows i am trying to get used to with
>> Livecode Builder.
>> For debugging i would like my lcb script to write some debug code to a
>> file, but i really do not see how this can be done.
>> I found the experimental com.livecode.file module and the operator 'the
>> filecontents of file...', but unfortunately no script example.
>> 
>> Does anyone know, if and how i can write some data to an external file on
>> hard disk in LCB?
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Matthias
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Zryip TheSlug
> http://www.aslugontheroad.com
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> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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From francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr  Tue Aug 23 10:31:46 2022
From: francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr (francois.chaplais)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2022 16:31:46 +0200
Subject: case sensitivity of the keys in an associative array
Message-ID: <BB43774A-562D-4A1F-B1E8-AE153F3D6B1C@mines-paristech.fr>

Dear list

From my current work on a LiveCode project, it seems that the keys of an associative array are not case sensitive.

For instance, I may define 
theArray[« Ddt »]

If I define now  
theArray[« ddt »]

this entry replaces the previous one (forgive apple mail which replaces my double quotes by french double quotes)

Is this behavior confirmed?

Best regards
François

From alex at tweedly.net  Tue Aug 23 10:45:22 2022
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2022 15:45:22 +0100
Subject: case sensitivity of the keys in an associative array
In-Reply-To: <BB43774A-562D-4A1F-B1E8-AE153F3D6B1C@mines-paristech.fr>
References: <BB43774A-562D-4A1F-B1E8-AE153F3D6B1C@mines-paristech.fr>
Message-ID: <ff5dc1ae-82ac-46aa-23cd-ddb51b9aa8ae@tweedly.net>

Not quite.

It is dependent on the value of "casesensitive".

If you do

set the casesensitve to true

then the keys are different (i.e. Ddt  would NOT replace the existing 
value for ddt)

but if it is false (which it would be by default) thne DDt and ddt are 
teh same.

[Only tested on 10.0.0 DP4 - but I think that's how it's always been]

Alex.

> on mouseup
>    local tA
>    put 1 into tA["a"]
>    put "1" && the keys of tA &CR after msg
>    set the casesensitive to true
>    put 2 into tA["A"]
>    put "2" && tA["a"] && the keys of tA &CR after msg
> end mouseup

On 23/08/2022 15:31, francois.chaplais via use-livecode wrote:
> Dear list
>
>  From my current work on a LiveCode project, it seems that the keys of an associative array are not case sensitive.
>
> For instance, I may define
> theArray[ Ddt ]
>
> If I define now
> theArray[ ddt ]
>
> this entry replaces the previous one (forgive apple mail which replaces my double quotes by french double quotes)
>
> Is this behavior confirmed?
>
> Best regards
> Franois
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From klaus at major-k.de  Tue Aug 23 10:46:46 2022
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2022 16:46:46 +0200
Subject: case sensitivity of the keys in an associative array
In-Reply-To: <BB43774A-562D-4A1F-B1E8-AE153F3D6B1C@mines-paristech.fr>
References: <BB43774A-562D-4A1F-B1E8-AE153F3D6B1C@mines-paristech.fr>
Message-ID: <D0F58D40-EEC4-471A-9380-04B44F9FD460@major-k.de>

Bonjour François,

> Am 23.08.2022 um 16:31 schrieb francois.chaplais via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Dear list
> 
> From my current work on a LiveCode project, it seems that the keys of an associative array are not case sensitive.
> 
> For instance, I may define 
> theArray[« Ddt »]
> 
> If I define now  
> theArray[« ddt »]
> 
> this entry replaces the previous one (forgive apple mail which replaces my double quotes by french double quotes)
> 
> Is this behavior confirmed?

yes, taht is correct bahvior!

But you can force case sensitivity in LC:
...
set the casesensitive to TRUE
answer theArray[« Ddt »]
## -> NADA!

answer theArray[« ddt »]
## Will do what you want.
...

> Best regards
> François

Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
https://www.major-k.de
https://www.major-k.de/bass
klaus at major-k.de



From francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr  Tue Aug 23 11:00:35 2022
From: francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr (francois.chaplais)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2022 17:00:35 +0200
Subject: case sensitivity of the keys in an associative array
In-Reply-To: <D0F58D40-EEC4-471A-9380-04B44F9FD460@major-k.de>
References: <BB43774A-562D-4A1F-B1E8-AE153F3D6B1C@mines-paristech.fr>
 <D0F58D40-EEC4-471A-9380-04B44F9FD460@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <897B0044-96B7-40EF-8BC9-8A7E11BE5DAD@mines-paristech.fr>

Thanks to you all!

This list is a treasury.

Chers,
François

> Le 23 août 2022 à 16:46, Klaus major-k via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> a écrit :
> 
> Bonjour François,
> 
>> Am 23.08.2022 um 16:31 schrieb francois.chaplais via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>> 
>> Dear list
>> 
>> From my current work on a LiveCode project, it seems that the keys of an associative array are not case sensitive.
>> 
>> For instance, I may define 
>> theArray[« Ddt »]
>> 
>> If I define now  
>> theArray[« ddt »]
>> 
>> this entry replaces the previous one (forgive apple mail which replaces my double quotes by french double quotes)
>> 
>> Is this behavior confirmed?
> 
> yes, taht is correct bahvior!
> 
> But you can force case sensitivity in LC:
> ...
> set the casesensitive to TRUE
> answer theArray[« Ddt »]
> ## -> NADA!
> 
> answer theArray[« ddt »]
> ## Will do what you want.
> ...
> 
>> Best regards
>> François
> 
> Best
> 
> Klaus
> 
> --
> Klaus Major
> https://www.major-k.de
> https://www.major-k.de/bass
> klaus at major-k.de
> 
> 
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From brian at milby7.com  Wed Aug 24 23:22:25 2022
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2022 23:22:25 -0400
Subject: Svg Icon Tool
Message-ID: <CA+yhkRZT7MyKJbDmF4F=D-ubY86P8OA4t1bZ3bsT=8UCVsCb8A@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings list!

A few years ago I published a tool that allowed easy creation of the Icon
Families that I had been working on to integrate into the IDE.  (The code
had been started, but users had no way to leverage the planned capability
at the time.)  At that time I simply posted it to Sample Stacks and a copy
on my web server with more icons.

I had been wanting to get it onto GitHub for quite some time, but never got
around to it.  In another thread I mentioned the tool and Mike asked if it
was available on GitHub.  That was just the sort of thing I needed to get
it posted.  (Thanks Mike!)

https://github.com/bwmilby/SvgIconTool

The most significant change that I've made with this version is that it
will keep the icon families and prefs stored as separate files instead of
inside the stack.  This will make things much easier since plugins start as
a palette and you have to toplevel it to save (which is no longer
necessary).  If you use the previous version, you only really need to worry
about any custom families that you imported.  All of the ones that I
provided earlier are available in the repository and can be loaded in bulk
by dragging them onto the library card.

I welcome feedback and bug reports on the GitHub repository.

Thanks and have a blessed day!
Brian Milby

From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Thu Aug 25 07:06:31 2022
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 13:06:31 +0200
Subject: Svg Icon Tool
In-Reply-To: <CA+yhkRZT7MyKJbDmF4F=D-ubY86P8OA4t1bZ3bsT=8UCVsCb8A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+yhkRZT7MyKJbDmF4F=D-ubY86P8OA4t1bZ3bsT=8UCVsCb8A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <11ACB0FB-09A5-454C-836E-0B6CB2DAC0F7@m-r-d.de>

Thank you very much for this great tool.

Maybe you add some information to the readme.md what files/folders from the zip have to be copied to the plugins folder.

Regards,
Matthias


> Am 25.08.2022 um 05:22 schrieb Brian Milby via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Greetings list!
> 
> A few years ago I published a tool that allowed easy creation of the Icon
> Families that I had been working on to integrate into the IDE.  (The code
> had been started, but users had no way to leverage the planned capability
> at the time.)  At that time I simply posted it to Sample Stacks and a copy
> on my web server with more icons.
> 
> I had been wanting to get it onto GitHub for quite some time, but never got
> around to it.  In another thread I mentioned the tool and Mike asked if it
> was available on GitHub.  That was just the sort of thing I needed to get
> it posted.  (Thanks Mike!)
> 
> https://github.com/bwmilby/SvgIconTool
> 
> The most significant change that I've made with this version is that it
> will keep the icon families and prefs stored as separate files instead of
> inside the stack.  This will make things much easier since plugins start as
> a palette and you have to toplevel it to save (which is no longer
> necessary).  If you use the previous version, you only really need to worry
> about any custom families that you imported.  All of the ones that I
> provided earlier are available in the repository and can be loaded in bulk
> by dragging them onto the library card.
> 
> I welcome feedback and bug reports on the GitHub repository.
> 
> Thanks and have a blessed day!
> Brian Milby
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode



From brian at milby7.com  Thu Aug 25 07:36:42 2022
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 07:36:42 -0400
Subject: Svg Icon Tool
In-Reply-To: <11ACB0FB-09A5-454C-836E-0B6CB2DAC0F7@m-r-d.de>
References: <11ACB0FB-09A5-454C-836E-0B6CB2DAC0F7@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <F9C11183-28C6-4D98-9051-F07201A60768@milby7.com>

You are welcome!

Good idea.  Just one file needs to be copied (SvgIconTool.livecode) to install.  If you ran it once and imported families, then you can copy or move the milby.us folder to retain the settings (I actually link that folder so I can run as a plug-in or from the repo and use the same settings.)

Thanks,
Brian

> On Aug 25, 2022, at 7:07 AM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Thank you very much for this great tool.
> 
> Maybe you add some information to the readme.md what files/folders from the zip have to be copied to the plugins folder.
> 
> Regards,
> Matthias
> 
> 
>> Am 25.08.2022 um 05:22 schrieb Brian Milby via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>> 
>> Greetings list!
>> 
>> A few years ago I published a tool that allowed easy creation of the Icon
>> Families that I had been working on to integrate into the IDE.  (The code
>> had been started, but users had no way to leverage the planned capability
>> at the time.)  At that time I simply posted it to Sample Stacks and a copy
>> on my web server with more icons.
>> 
>> I had been wanting to get it onto GitHub for quite some time, but never got
>> around to it.  In another thread I mentioned the tool and Mike asked if it
>> was available on GitHub.  That was just the sort of thing I needed to get
>> it posted.  (Thanks Mike!)
>> 
>> https://github.com/bwmilby/SvgIconTool
>> 
>> The most significant change that I've made with this version is that it
>> will keep the icon families and prefs stored as separate files instead of
>> inside the stack.  This will make things much easier since plugins start as
>> a palette and you have to toplevel it to save (which is no longer
>> necessary).  If you use the previous version, you only really need to worry
>> about any custom families that you imported.  All of the ones that I
>> provided earlier are available in the repository and can be loaded in bulk
>> by dragging them onto the library card.
>> 
>> I welcome feedback and bug reports on the GitHub repository.
>> 
>> Thanks and have a blessed day!
>> Brian Milby
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> 
> 
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From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Thu Aug 25 09:16:05 2022
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 09:16:05 -0400
Subject: Svg Icon Tool
In-Reply-To: <F9C11183-28C6-4D98-9051-F07201A60768@milby7.com>
References: <11ACB0FB-09A5-454C-836E-0B6CB2DAC0F7@m-r-d.de>
 <F9C11183-28C6-4D98-9051-F07201A60768@milby7.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycNWPrGx2HjRKf+-QT-KofGS=Y5Lhf9d1YeNWg_W-wTO1A@mail.gmail.com>

Hey, man, if it's that easy to get you to do something, then
* Make the tree widget better
* Make the NavBar better
Boom. Hero me.

On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 7:37 AM Brian Milby via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> You are welcome!
>
> Good idea.  Just one file needs to be copied (SvgIconTool.livecode) to
> install.  If you ran it once and imported families, then you can copy or
> move the milby.us folder to retain the settings (I actually link that
> folder so I can run as a plug-in or from the repo and use the same
> settings.)
>
> Thanks,
> Brian
>
> > On Aug 25, 2022, at 7:07 AM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Thank you very much for this great tool.
> >
> > Maybe you add some information to the readme.md what files/folders from
> the zip have to be copied to the plugins folder.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Matthias
> >
> >
> >> Am 25.08.2022 um 05:22 schrieb Brian Milby via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> >>
> >> Greetings list!
> >>
> >> A few years ago I published a tool that allowed easy creation of the
> Icon
> >> Families that I had been working on to integrate into the IDE.  (The
> code
> >> had been started, but users had no way to leverage the planned
> capability
> >> at the time.)  At that time I simply posted it to Sample Stacks and a
> copy
> >> on my web server with more icons.
> >>
> >> I had been wanting to get it onto GitHub for quite some time, but never
> got
> >> around to it.  In another thread I mentioned the tool and Mike asked if
> it
> >> was available on GitHub.  That was just the sort of thing I needed to
> get
> >> it posted.  (Thanks Mike!)
> >>
> >> https://github.com/bwmilby/SvgIconTool
> >>
> >> The most significant change that I've made with this version is that it
> >> will keep the icon families and prefs stored as separate files instead
> of
> >> inside the stack.  This will make things much easier since plugins
> start as
> >> a palette and you have to toplevel it to save (which is no longer
> >> necessary).  If you use the previous version, you only really need to
> worry
> >> about any custom families that you imported.  All of the ones that I
> >> provided earlier are available in the repository and can be loaded in
> bulk
> >> by dragging them onto the library card.
> >>
> >> I welcome feedback and bug reports on the GitHub repository.
> >>
> >> Thanks and have a blessed day!
> >> Brian Milby
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> use-livecode mailing list
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >
> >
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On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."

From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Thu Aug 25 09:19:05 2022
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 09:19:05 -0400
Subject: Svg Icon Tool
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycNWPrGx2HjRKf+-QT-KofGS=Y5Lhf9d1YeNWg_W-wTO1A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <11ACB0FB-09A5-454C-836E-0B6CB2DAC0F7@m-r-d.de>
 <F9C11183-28C6-4D98-9051-F07201A60768@milby7.com>
 <CADCoycNWPrGx2HjRKf+-QT-KofGS=Y5Lhf9d1YeNWg_W-wTO1A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycMkUsjugLwfxMmJRdFg8tps=Af=SdL8=agSqxRM2BHhmg@mail.gmail.com>

Although, as long as we're having this discussion, the navBar is higher
priority, so hit that, first.

On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 9:16 AM Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com>
wrote:

> Hey, man, if it's that easy to get you to do something, then
> * Make the tree widget better
> * Make the NavBar better
> Boom. Hero me.
>
> On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 7:37 AM Brian Milby via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> You are welcome!
>>
>> Good idea.  Just one file needs to be copied (SvgIconTool.livecode) to
>> install.  If you ran it once and imported families, then you can copy or
>> move the milby.us folder to retain the settings (I actually link that
>> folder so I can run as a plug-in or from the repo and use the same
>> settings.)
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Brian
>>
>> > On Aug 25, 2022, at 7:07 AM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Thank you very much for this great tool.
>> >
>> > Maybe you add some information to the readme.md what files/folders from
>> the zip have to be copied to the plugins folder.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Matthias
>> >
>> >
>> >> Am 25.08.2022 um 05:22 schrieb Brian Milby via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>> >>
>> >> Greetings list!
>> >>
>> >> A few years ago I published a tool that allowed easy creation of the
>> Icon
>> >> Families that I had been working on to integrate into the IDE.  (The
>> code
>> >> had been started, but users had no way to leverage the planned
>> capability
>> >> at the time.)  At that time I simply posted it to Sample Stacks and a
>> copy
>> >> on my web server with more icons.
>> >>
>> >> I had been wanting to get it onto GitHub for quite some time, but
>> never got
>> >> around to it.  In another thread I mentioned the tool and Mike asked
>> if it
>> >> was available on GitHub.  That was just the sort of thing I needed to
>> get
>> >> it posted.  (Thanks Mike!)
>> >>
>> >> https://github.com/bwmilby/SvgIconTool
>> >>
>> >> The most significant change that I've made with this version is that it
>> >> will keep the icon families and prefs stored as separate files instead
>> of
>> >> inside the stack.  This will make things much easier since plugins
>> start as
>> >> a palette and you have to toplevel it to save (which is no longer
>> >> necessary).  If you use the previous version, you only really need to
>> worry
>> >> about any custom families that you imported.  All of the ones that I
>> >> provided earlier are available in the repository and can be loaded in
>> bulk
>> >> by dragging them onto the library card.
>> >>
>> >> I welcome feedback and bug reports on the GitHub repository.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks and have a blessed day!
>> >> Brian Milby
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> use-livecode mailing list
>> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>> >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> >
>> >
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>
> --
> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>    and did a little diving.
> And God said, "This is good."
>


-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."

From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Thu Aug 25 10:21:00 2022
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 10:21:00 -0400
Subject: Sorting [was: Polygrid sorting]
In-Reply-To: <97843037-9ab0-804c-640c-13dc5599bcbf@researchware.com>
References: <99ac10ee-60a1-ab16-f47e-72a709af317e@tweedly.net>
 <97843037-9ab0-804c-640c-13dc5599bcbf@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycN1kwPJOzSvoLD8zFju875DS64xZxV9vQkxBqq8dfFmLQ@mail.gmail.com>

it will probably be faster and more flexible to have your database do your
soriting for you, though.

On Mon, Aug 15, 2022 at 7:47 PM Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Perhaps some expansion of the column "pgContentTypeofColumn" property?
> The current possible values are:
> text|svg-lcname|imagedata|imagefile|color|boolean|autoincrement
> Allowing the addition of 'numeric' and 'datetime' would at least allow a
> mapping to sorts although sort support 'international' (perhaps should
> be the default for a polygrid column of type "text" and "binary". I am
> also not sure how svg-iconname, imagedata, imagefile, and color should
> sort. Perhaps svg-iconname should sort as "text". Bolean can sort as
> "text" since ascending puts "false" first and descending puts "true" first.
>
>
> On 8/15/2022 7:25 PM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:
> > So it occurred to me, while playing with sorting by columns, that it
> > might be nice to have an additional "sortType" available.
> >
> > I'd like to be able to say
> >
> >  - if all the 'things' being sorted on are numbers, then sort numeric,
> > otherwise sort alphabetical.
> >
> > Would that be a reasonable enhancement request ?
> >
> > Would "natural" be a reasonable suggested name ?
> >
> > Alex.
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."

From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Aug 25 11:02:39 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 15:02:39 +0000
Subject: Sorting [was: Polygrid sorting]
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycN1kwPJOzSvoLD8zFju875DS64xZxV9vQkxBqq8dfFmLQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <99ac10ee-60a1-ab16-f47e-72a709af317e@tweedly.net>
 <97843037-9ab0-804c-640c-13dc5599bcbf@researchware.com>
 <CADCoycN1kwPJOzSvoLD8zFju875DS64xZxV9vQkxBqq8dfFmLQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2B3CD906-B4C8-4390-BF55-54288FD6D907@iotecdigital.com>

+1 if the source is a dabs, sort during query.

Bob S


On Aug 25, 2022, at 07:21 , Mike Kerner via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com<mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:

it will probably be faster and more flexible to have your database do your
soriting for you, though.

On Mon, Aug 15, 2022 at 7:47 PM Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com<mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:

Perhaps some expansion of the column "pgContentTypeofColumn" property?
The current possible values are:
text|svg-lcname|imagedata|imagefile|color|boolean|autoincrement
Allowing the addition of 'numeric' and 'datetime' would at least allow a
mapping to sorts although sort support 'international' (perhaps should
be the default for a polygrid column of type "text" and "binary". I am
also not sure how svg-iconname, imagedata, imagefile, and color should
sort. Perhaps svg-iconname should sort as "text". Bolean can sort as
"text" since ascending puts "false" first and descending puts "true" first.


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Aug 25 11:17:44 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 15:17:44 +0000
Subject: Sorting [was: Polygrid sorting]
In-Reply-To: <2B3CD906-B4C8-4390-BF55-54288FD6D907@iotecdigital.com>
References: <99ac10ee-60a1-ab16-f47e-72a709af317e@tweedly.net>
 <97843037-9ab0-804c-640c-13dc5599bcbf@researchware.com>
 <CADCoycN1kwPJOzSvoLD8zFju875DS64xZxV9vQkxBqq8dfFmLQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <2B3CD906-B4C8-4390-BF55-54288FD6D907@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <4CA40921-F84A-48BA-AF8D-29E2D4DDDE38@iotecdigital.com>

Not sure how that happened. If the source is a DATABASE...

On Aug 25, 2022, at 08:02 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com<mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:

+1 if the source is a dabs, sort during query.

Bob S


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Aug 25 11:25:25 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 15:25:25 +0000
Subject: BN Guides
Message-ID: <2B813B89-5BA5-4C48-8B36-35BBE9344B07@iotecdigital.com>

Who wrote BN Guides? Very cool, but there is a conflict with Navigator. When I double-click an object in Navigator to open it's script, I get t he BNGuides script instead. 

Bob S



From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Thu Aug 25 11:33:59 2022
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 17:33:59 +0200
Subject: BN Guides
In-Reply-To: <2B813B89-5BA5-4C48-8B36-35BBE9344B07@iotecdigital.com>
References: <2B813B89-5BA5-4C48-8B36-35BBE9344B07@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <1756B864-8B98-407C-B48F-587D16BF059C@m-r-d.de>

Bernd Niggemann wrote it.

> Am 25.08.2022 um 17:25 schrieb Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Who wrote BN Guides? Very cool, but there is a conflict with Navigator. When I double-click an object in Navigator to open it's script, I get t he BNGuides script instead. 
> 
> Bob S
> 
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From paul at researchware.com  Thu Aug 25 11:38:15 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 11:38:15 -0400
Subject: Sorting [was: Polygrid sorting]
In-Reply-To: <4CA40921-F84A-48BA-AF8D-29E2D4DDDE38@iotecdigital.com>
References: <99ac10ee-60a1-ab16-f47e-72a709af317e@tweedly.net>
 <97843037-9ab0-804c-640c-13dc5599bcbf@researchware.com>
 <CADCoycN1kwPJOzSvoLD8zFju875DS64xZxV9vQkxBqq8dfFmLQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <2B3CD906-B4C8-4390-BF55-54288FD6D907@iotecdigital.com>
 <4CA40921-F84A-48BA-AF8D-29E2D4DDDE38@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <5457f16e-c91e-5c6b-6922-1993272670fe@researchware.com>

So what if you use the column headers on a PolyGrid (or whatever) to 
give the user a UI for sorting by column (adding, or not, sort arrows to 
the header labels).

Is it still more efficient to re-query the database with the new, user 
chosen, sort order and repopulate the PolyGrid?

Or more efficient to just resort the data already populated into the 
grid in the desired order the user has chosen? I suspect this later is 
the more efficient case unless you are sure you have a fast network and 
server with low latency and no competition for bandwidth.

As always, people's use-cases for these widgets vary widely. That is why 
the more versatile a widget is the often (but not always) the better it is.


On 8/25/2022 11:17 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
> Not sure how that happened. If the source is a DATABASE...
>
> On Aug 25, 2022, at 08:02 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com<mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
>
> +1 if the source is a dabs, sort during query.
>
> Bob S
>
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From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Thu Aug 25 11:45:42 2022
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 17:45:42 +0200
Subject: BN Guides
In-Reply-To: <1756B864-8B98-407C-B48F-587D16BF059C@m-r-d.de>
References: <2B813B89-5BA5-4C48-8B36-35BBE9344B07@iotecdigital.com>
 <1756B864-8B98-407C-B48F-587D16BF059C@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <8D0EEE28-0269-4D46-9F5F-0FB7979F29B1@m-r-d.de>

Forgot to place the link to the forum where he announced it.

https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=31920

Matthias

> Am 25.08.2022 um 17:33 schrieb matthias rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Bernd Niggemann wrote it.
> 
>> Am 25.08.2022 um 17:25 schrieb Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>> 
>> Who wrote BN Guides? Very cool, but there is a conflict with Navigator. When I double-click an object in Navigator to open it's script, I get t he BNGuides script instead. 
>> 
>> Bob S
>> 
>> 
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From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Thu Aug 25 11:57:35 2022
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 11:57:35 -0400
Subject: Sorting [was: Polygrid sorting]
In-Reply-To: <5457f16e-c91e-5c6b-6922-1993272670fe@researchware.com>
References: <99ac10ee-60a1-ab16-f47e-72a709af317e@tweedly.net>
 <97843037-9ab0-804c-640c-13dc5599bcbf@researchware.com>
 <CADCoycN1kwPJOzSvoLD8zFju875DS64xZxV9vQkxBqq8dfFmLQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <2B3CD906-B4C8-4390-BF55-54288FD6D907@iotecdigital.com>
 <4CA40921-F84A-48BA-AF8D-29E2D4DDDE38@iotecdigital.com>
 <5457f16e-c91e-5c6b-6922-1993272670fe@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycNO2d+qboijhmXPeG3okYgTMB_Fi5aLnPuvO7cp1EV-jA@mail.gmail.com>

oh, i love this topic. this onion is so, so thick.
since you are throwing in the curveball of on-demand column sorting, i have
several suggestions (and these are just my suggestions):
the obvious one is to use one of the bajillion ways that LC can sort,
right? grab the data (if you don't already have the data in a container
that you're using to populate the widget), sort it, put it back
the less obvious is to do what i end up doing in many of my apps (because
everything i write, now, is mobile), and that is have a local sqlite or
mysql db. keep all the data that you retrieve from the server in there, and
use the local copy as the data source. i do that because i can't guarantee
network connectivity, but i want my apps to run, anyway. in that case, my
sorting is still done in my db - my local cache. plus, if my app exits,
crashes, loses the focus, device reboots, etc., i want it to come back in
exactly the state it was in when it left, which is something that's easy to
do with a local db.
then there's using the local command line, because every OS has a sort
routine you can call.

From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Aug 25 12:15:29 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 16:15:29 +0000
Subject: BN Guides
In-Reply-To: <8D0EEE28-0269-4D46-9F5F-0FB7979F29B1@m-r-d.de>
References: <2B813B89-5BA5-4C48-8B36-35BBE9344B07@iotecdigital.com>
 <1756B864-8B98-407C-B48F-587D16BF059C@m-r-d.de>
 <8D0EEE28-0269-4D46-9F5F-0FB7979F29B1@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <87B52679-F392-4074-A923-2A8BB8D07776@iotecdigital.com>

Unfortunately I am unable to login to the forums (again) as the saved password I have for it no longer works. Also, if I ask for the activation link to be resent, both emails I would have used along with the only user name I use for everything (slylabs13), results in Account Not Found. Submitting a password reset on either of the two emails never sends a password reset email. Trying to register from scratch with slylabs13 as the user name generates an error that the user name is already in use!

I am then advised to contact the administrator, but there is no link I can find on the forums page for an administrator.

So far, I am unusually calm. Normally I'd be cursing and swearing by now. :-)

Bob S


On Aug 25, 2022, at 08:45 , matthias rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com<mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:

Forgot to place the link to the forum where he announced it.

https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=31920

Matthias


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Aug 25 12:17:30 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 16:17:30 +0000
Subject: BN Guides
In-Reply-To: <87B52679-F392-4074-A923-2A8BB8D07776@iotecdigital.com>
References: <2B813B89-5BA5-4C48-8B36-35BBE9344B07@iotecdigital.com>
 <1756B864-8B98-407C-B48F-587D16BF059C@m-r-d.de>
 <8D0EEE28-0269-4D46-9F5F-0FB7979F29B1@m-r-d.de>
 <87B52679-F392-4074-A923-2A8BB8D07776@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <BC5638D1-4B3D-4162-ACE3-A0DDC5BCE103@iotecdigital.com>

I found the link to the Board Administrator. The board administrator link has been disabled. LOL!

Bob S


On Aug 25, 2022, at 09:15 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com<mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:

I am then advised to contact the administrator, but there is no link I can find on the forums page for an administrator.


From alex at tweedly.net  Thu Aug 25 12:39:36 2022
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 17:39:36 +0100
Subject: BN Guides
In-Reply-To: <BC5638D1-4B3D-4162-ACE3-A0DDC5BCE103@iotecdigital.com>
References: <BC5638D1-4B3D-4162-ACE3-A0DDC5BCE103@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <7B163A35-88EF-4869-879E-30515F094AA3@tweedly.net>

Bob,

Just email Heather- she can do everything !

Probably the support @ livecode.com address would be more correct than her directly.

Alex

Sent from my iPhone

> On 25 Aug 2022, at 17:18, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I found the link to the Board Administrator. The board administrator link has been disabled. LOL!
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
> On Aug 25, 2022, at 09:15 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com<mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
> 
> I am then advised to contact the administrator, but there is no link I can find on the forums page for an administrator.
> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Aug 25 13:10:57 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 17:10:57 +0000
Subject: Exclude Keywords from Auto-Complete
Message-ID: <1D996715-EFE2-430C-83DF-D2C78B508265@iotecdigital.com>

Hi all. 

I just submitted an enhancement request to create a new global property of keywords to exclude from the SE Auto-Complete feature. The reason is, whenever I type "of me" in the SE, I get suggestions for mergeDeploy, and if I hit tab to reformat the script or to move to the next parameter of an auto-complete suggestion, it replaces "me" with the first mergeDeploy suggestion. There are other scenarios I've run into as well. 

Also, I looked in the SE preferences for auto-complete, but did not find an entry. There is one for Auto Format, but that enables/disables the auto-indent feature. Hopefully they are not both enabled/disabled by that one check box. 

https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23900

Bob S



From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net  Thu Aug 25 13:24:09 2022
From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 13:24:09 -0400
Subject: Exclude Keywords from Auto-Complete
In-Reply-To: <1D996715-EFE2-430C-83DF-D2C78B508265@iotecdigital.com>
References: <1D996715-EFE2-430C-83DF-D2C78B508265@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <003c01d8b8a7$7f667560$7e336020$@net>

In the edit=>options of the SE there is an option to turn autocomplete
On/Off. There is also edit=>Autocomplete Snippet Manager. I have not used it
but it looks interesting. It may solve your problem with the "alternate"
option?

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdimola at evergreeninfo.net

-----Original Message-----
From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf
Of Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2022 1:11 PM
To: How to use LiveCode
Cc: Bob Sneidar
Subject: Exclude Keywords from Auto-Complete

Hi all. 

I just submitted an enhancement request to create a new global property of
keywords to exclude from the SE Auto-Complete feature. The reason is,
whenever I type "of me" in the SE, I get suggestions for mergeDeploy, and if
I hit tab to reformat the script or to move to the next parameter of an
auto-complete suggestion, it replaces "me" with the first mergeDeploy
suggestion. There are other scenarios I've run into as well. 

Also, I looked in the SE preferences for auto-complete, but did not find an
entry. There is one for Auto Format, but that enables/disables the
auto-indent feature. Hopefully they are not both enabled/disabled by that
one check box. 

https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23900

Bob S


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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Aug 25 13:47:15 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 17:47:15 +0000
Subject: Exclude Keywords from Auto-Complete
In-Reply-To: <003c01d8b8a7$7f667560$7e336020$@net>
References: <1D996715-EFE2-430C-83DF-D2C78B508265@iotecdigital.com>
 <003c01d8b8a7$7f667560$7e336020$@net>
Message-ID: <A19455D6-6960-4DF1-B0F8-FD3FF0076C48@iotecdigital.com>

Thanks Ralph, that looks interesting. I see:

if ${condition:expression} then
   ${-- true code:statement}
else # ${condition}
   {-- false code:statement}
end if # ${condition}

Not sure how to use that but I will research. Thanks. 

Bob S


> On Aug 25, 2022, at 10:24 , Ralph DiMola via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> In the edit=>options of the SE there is an option to turn autocomplete
> On/Off. There is also edit=>Autocomplete Snippet Manager. I have not used it
> but it looks interesting. It may solve your problem with the "alternate"
> option?
> 
> Ralph DiMola
> IT Director
> Evergreen Information Services
> rdimola at evergreeninfo.net
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf
> Of Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
> Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2022 1:11 PM
> To: How to use LiveCode
> Cc: Bob Sneidar
> Subject: Exclude Keywords from Auto-Complete
> 
> Hi all. 
> 
> I just submitted an enhancement request to create a new global property of
> keywords to exclude from the SE Auto-Complete feature. The reason is,
> whenever I type "of me" in the SE, I get suggestions for mergeDeploy, and if
> I hit tab to reformat the script or to move to the next parameter of an
> auto-complete suggestion, it replaces "me" with the first mergeDeploy
> suggestion. There are other scenarios I've run into as well. 
> 
> Also, I looked in the SE preferences for auto-complete, but did not find an
> entry. There is one for Auto Format, but that enables/disables the
> auto-indent feature. Hopefully they are not both enabled/disabled by that
> one check box. 
> 
> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23900
> 
> Bob S



From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net  Thu Aug 25 14:38:20 2022
From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 14:38:20 -0400
Subject: Svg Icon Tool
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycMkUsjugLwfxMmJRdFg8tps=Af=SdL8=agSqxRM2BHhmg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <11ACB0FB-09A5-454C-836E-0B6CB2DAC0F7@m-r-d.de>
 <F9C11183-28C6-4D98-9051-F07201A60768@milby7.com>
 <CADCoycNWPrGx2HjRKf+-QT-KofGS=Y5Lhf9d1YeNWg_W-wTO1A@mail.gmail.com>
 <CADCoycMkUsjugLwfxMmJRdFg8tps=Af=SdL8=agSqxRM2BHhmg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <004001d8b8b1$dcaeb930$960c2b90$@net>

Mike,
I have used my own version of the navbar widget for years. I added an option to enlarge/vertically justify the icon if there is no label and eliminated the "new item" thingy. I think the stock widget already lets you select the zero option. I added that back before the stock widget let you do it. What changes/enhancements are you looking for?

I also have LCS routines to store the navbar options as a custom property array. I have handlers to add/delete/change option text and icons via script for a contextual UI. They are not documented or polished but if there is any interest I will look into it.

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdimola at evergreeninfo.net


-----Original Message-----
From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Mike Kerner via use-livecode
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2022 9:19 AM
To: How to use LiveCode
Cc: Mike Kerner
Subject: Re: Svg Icon Tool

Although, as long as we're having this discussion, the navBar is higher priority, so hit that, first.

On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 9:16 AM Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com>
wrote:

> Hey, man, if it's that easy to get you to do something, then
> * Make the tree widget better
> * Make the NavBar better
> Boom. Hero me.
>
> On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 7:37 AM Brian Milby via use-livecode < 
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> You are welcome!
>>
>> Good idea.  Just one file needs to be copied (SvgIconTool.livecode) 
>> to install.  If you ran it once and imported families, then you can 
>> copy or move the milby.us folder to retain the settings (I actually 
>> link that folder so I can run as a plug-in or from the repo and use 
>> the same
>> settings.)
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Brian
>>
>> > On Aug 25, 2022, at 7:07 AM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Thank you very much for this great tool.
>> >
>> > Maybe you add some information to the readme.md what files/folders 
>> > from
>> the zip have to be copied to the plugins folder.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Matthias
>> >
>> >
>> >> Am 25.08.2022 um 05:22 schrieb Brian Milby via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>> >>
>> >> Greetings list!
>> >>
>> >> A few years ago I published a tool that allowed easy creation of 
>> >> the
>> Icon
>> >> Families that I had been working on to integrate into the IDE.  
>> >> (The
>> code
>> >> had been started, but users had no way to leverage the planned
>> capability
>> >> at the time.)  At that time I simply posted it to Sample Stacks 
>> >> and a
>> copy
>> >> on my web server with more icons.
>> >>
>> >> I had been wanting to get it onto GitHub for quite some time, but
>> never got
>> >> around to it.  In another thread I mentioned the tool and Mike 
>> >> asked
>> if it
>> >> was available on GitHub.  That was just the sort of thing I needed 
>> >> to
>> get
>> >> it posted.  (Thanks Mike!)
>> >>
>> >> https://github.com/bwmilby/SvgIconTool
>> >>
>> >> The most significant change that I've made with this version is 
>> >> that it will keep the icon families and prefs stored as separate 
>> >> files instead
>> of
>> >> inside the stack.  This will make things much easier since plugins
>> start as
>> >> a palette and you have to toplevel it to save (which is no longer 
>> >> necessary).  If you use the previous version, you only really need 
>> >> to
>> worry
>> >> about any custom families that you imported.  All of the ones that 
>> >> I provided earlier are available in the repository and can be 
>> >> loaded in
>> bulk
>> >> by dragging them onto the library card.
>> >>
>> >> I welcome feedback and bug reports on the GitHub repository.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks and have a blessed day!
>> >> Brian Milby
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From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Thu Aug 25 14:46:39 2022
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 14:46:39 -0400
Subject: Svg Icon Tool
In-Reply-To: <004001d8b8b1$dcaeb930$960c2b90$@net>
References: <11ACB0FB-09A5-454C-836E-0B6CB2DAC0F7@m-r-d.de>
 <F9C11183-28C6-4D98-9051-F07201A60768@milby7.com>
 <CADCoycNWPrGx2HjRKf+-QT-KofGS=Y5Lhf9d1YeNWg_W-wTO1A@mail.gmail.com>
 <CADCoycMkUsjugLwfxMmJRdFg8tps=Af=SdL8=agSqxRM2BHhmg@mail.gmail.com>
 <004001d8b8b1$dcaeb930$960c2b90$@net>
Message-ID: <CADCoycM0P7z5c5-PM1i_cvGoY6EKyt1HoJb29cfbmX81Vnrwew@mail.gmail.com>

the two things that are glaring, imho are
* [preHiliteChanged](https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23207) -
someone taps on a selection. i do a check, throw up a "nope", and nothing
changes. this one is preventing me from moving off of the tmControls navbar.
* autowidth to the card width.
but there are several others, as well
https://quality.livecode.com/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=navigation%20bar&list_id=105904
listen, i get it. i need to re-learn lcb and actually use it.
but i also have force powers, so i know that someone is going to do these
things, before i do, and then i won't have to.

On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 2:39 PM Ralph DiMola via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Mike,
> I have used my own version of the navbar widget for years. I added an
> option to enlarge/vertically justify the icon if there is no label and
> eliminated the "new item" thingy. I think the stock widget already lets you
> select the zero option. I added that back before the stock widget let you
> do it. What changes/enhancements are you looking for?
>
> I also have LCS routines to store the navbar options as a custom property
> array. I have handlers to add/delete/change option text and icons via
> script for a contextual UI. They are not documented or polished but if
> there is any interest I will look into it.
>
> Ralph DiMola
> IT Director
> Evergreen Information Services
> rdimola at evergreeninfo.net
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On
> Behalf Of Mike Kerner via use-livecode
> Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2022 9:19 AM
> To: How to use LiveCode
> Cc: Mike Kerner
> Subject: Re: Svg Icon Tool
>
> Although, as long as we're having this discussion, the navBar is higher
> priority, so hit that, first.
>
> On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 9:16 AM Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hey, man, if it's that easy to get you to do something, then
> > * Make the tree widget better
> > * Make the NavBar better
> > Boom. Hero me.
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 7:37 AM Brian Milby via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >> You are welcome!
> >>
> >> Good idea.  Just one file needs to be copied (SvgIconTool.livecode)
> >> to install.  If you ran it once and imported families, then you can
> >> copy or move the milby.us folder to retain the settings (I actually
> >> link that folder so I can run as a plug-in or from the repo and use
> >> the same
> >> settings.)
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Brian
> >>
> >> > On Aug 25, 2022, at 7:07 AM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Thank you very much for this great tool.
> >> >
> >> > Maybe you add some information to the readme.md what files/folders
> >> > from
> >> the zip have to be copied to the plugins folder.
> >> >
> >> > Regards,
> >> > Matthias
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> Am 25.08.2022 um 05:22 schrieb Brian Milby via use-livecode <
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> >> >>
> >> >> Greetings list!
> >> >>
> >> >> A few years ago I published a tool that allowed easy creation of
> >> >> the
> >> Icon
> >> >> Families that I had been working on to integrate into the IDE.
> >> >> (The
> >> code
> >> >> had been started, but users had no way to leverage the planned
> >> capability
> >> >> at the time.)  At that time I simply posted it to Sample Stacks
> >> >> and a
> >> copy
> >> >> on my web server with more icons.
> >> >>
> >> >> I had been wanting to get it onto GitHub for quite some time, but
> >> never got
> >> >> around to it.  In another thread I mentioned the tool and Mike
> >> >> asked
> >> if it
> >> >> was available on GitHub.  That was just the sort of thing I needed
> >> >> to
> >> get
> >> >> it posted.  (Thanks Mike!)
> >> >>
> >> >> https://github.com/bwmilby/SvgIconTool
> >> >>
> >> >> The most significant change that I've made with this version is
> >> >> that it will keep the icon families and prefs stored as separate
> >> >> files instead
> >> of
> >> >> inside the stack.  This will make things much easier since plugins
> >> start as
> >> >> a palette and you have to toplevel it to save (which is no longer
> >> >> necessary).  If you use the previous version, you only really need
> >> >> to
> >> worry
> >> >> about any custom families that you imported.  All of the ones that
> >> >> I provided earlier are available in the repository and can be
> >> >> loaded in
> >> bulk
> >> >> by dragging them onto the library card.
> >> >>
> >> >> I welcome feedback and bug reports on the GitHub repository.
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks and have a blessed day!
> >> >> Brian Milby
> >> >> _______________________________________________
> >> >> use-livecode mailing list
> >> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >> >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
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> >
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> > day, God created the oceans.
> > On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
> >    and did a little diving.
> > And God said, "This is good."
> >
>
>
> --
> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day,
> God created the oceans.
> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>    and did a little diving.
> And God said, "This is good."
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On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."

From brian at milby7.com  Thu Aug 25 17:47:34 2022
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 17:47:34 -0400
Subject: Svg Icon Tool
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycM0P7z5c5-PM1i_cvGoY6EKyt1HoJb29cfbmX81Vnrwew@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycM0P7z5c5-PM1i_cvGoY6EKyt1HoJb29cfbmX81Vnrwew@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7808C04E-821A-4FA6-A1BE-59696DEC3D98@milby7.com>


I think what we probably need is simply:

set the hilitedItemSilently of widget 1 to 1
Or
set the hilitedItemWithoutMessage of widget 1 to 1

This would allow more elegant solutions to many of the raised issues.

Thanks,
Brian


Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 25, 2022, at 2:48 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> the two things that are glaring, imho are
> * [preHiliteChanged](https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23207) -
> someone taps on a selection. i do a check, throw up a "nope", and nothing
> changes. this one is preventing me from moving off of the tmControls navbar.
> * autowidth to the card width.
> but there are several others, as well
> https://quality.livecode.com/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=navigation%20bar&list_id=105904
> listen, i get it. i need to re-learn lcb and actually use it.
> but i also have force powers, so i know that someone is going to do these
> things, before i do, and then i won't have to.
> 
>> On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 2:39 PM Ralph DiMola via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Mike,
>> I have used my own version of the navbar widget for years. I added an
>> option to enlarge/vertically justify the icon if there is no label and
>> eliminated the "new item" thingy. I think the stock widget already lets you
>> select the zero option. I added that back before the stock widget let you
>> do it. What changes/enhancements are you looking for?
>> 
>> I also have LCS routines to store the navbar options as a custom property
>> array. I have handlers to add/delete/change option text and icons via
>> script for a contextual UI. They are not documented or polished but if
>> there is any interest I will look into it.
>> 
>> Ralph DiMola
>> IT Director
>> Evergreen Information Services
>> rdimola at evergreeninfo.net
>> 

From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Fri Aug 26 09:01:04 2022
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2022 09:01:04 -0400
Subject: Svg Icon Tool
In-Reply-To: <7808C04E-821A-4FA6-A1BE-59696DEC3D98@milby7.com>
References: <CADCoycM0P7z5c5-PM1i_cvGoY6EKyt1HoJb29cfbmX81Vnrwew@mail.gmail.com>
 <7808C04E-821A-4FA6-A1BE-59696DEC3D98@milby7.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycNhxinwYffTcGF0qWrJQdCf8BmnZv75CU0sH62kd0O_3g@mail.gmail.com>

i don't think so. i want to be able to be able to intercept the
touch/click, and decide what to do. sometimes i want to ignore it.
sometimes i want to throw up an error and not switch. sometimes i want to
do something else, first.

On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 5:48 PM Brian Milby via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

>
> I think what we probably need is simply:
>
> set the hilitedItemSilently of widget 1 to 1
> Or
> set the hilitedItemWithoutMessage of widget 1 to 1
>
> This would allow more elegant solutions to many of the raised issues.
>
> Thanks,
> Brian
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Aug 25, 2022, at 2:48 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > the two things that are glaring, imho are
> > * [preHiliteChanged](https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23207)
> -
> > someone taps on a selection. i do a check, throw up a "nope", and nothing
> > changes. this one is preventing me from moving off of the tmControls
> navbar.
> > * autowidth to the card width.
> > but there are several others, as well
> >
> https://quality.livecode.com/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=navigation%20bar&list_id=105904
> > listen, i get it. i need to re-learn lcb and actually use it.
> > but i also have force powers, so i know that someone is going to do these
> > things, before i do, and then i won't have to.
> >
> >> On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 2:39 PM Ralph DiMola via use-livecode <
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Mike,
> >> I have used my own version of the navbar widget for years. I added an
> >> option to enlarge/vertically justify the icon if there is no label and
> >> eliminated the "new item" thingy. I think the stock widget already lets
> you
> >> select the zero option. I added that back before the stock widget let
> you
> >> do it. What changes/enhancements are you looking for?
> >>
> >> I also have LCS routines to store the navbar options as a custom
> property
> >> array. I have handlers to add/delete/change option text and icons via
> >> script for a contextual UI. They are not documented or polished but if
> >> there is any interest I will look into it.
> >>
> >> Ralph DiMola
> >> IT Director
> >> Evergreen Information Services
> >> rdimola at evergreeninfo.net
> >>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
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-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."

From brian at milby7.com  Fri Aug 26 09:22:48 2022
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2022 09:22:48 -0400
Subject: Svg Icon Tool
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycNhxinwYffTcGF0qWrJQdCf8BmnZv75CU0sH62kd0O_3g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycNhxinwYffTcGF0qWrJQdCf8BmnZv75CU0sH62kd0O_3g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FD72354E-08C8-4B35-BCA5-DEF5958546A4@milby7.com>

The silent update would allow that to happen in the hilitechanged handler.

I don’t know how you would implement a pre… message.  How would the widget know whether to proceed or not?  The two messages would fire almost simultaneously.  There also isn’t any way to tell the widget to cancel the highlight action, which would be needed.

A mouseDown message may work but would still need a way to cancel the highlight.  I think the silent change is the most seamless way to accomplish this task.

In general I think that normal mouse messages should be passed from widgets - even if they add specialized functionality with additional messages.  I don’t think they would solve this issue on their own though.

(I also did some work in this widget to add the nothing and multiple selections)



> On Aug 26, 2022, at 9:03 AM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> i don't think so. i want to be able to be able to intercept the
> touch/click, and decide what to do. sometimes i want to ignore it.
> sometimes i want to throw up an error and not switch. sometimes i want to
> do something else, first.
> 
>> On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 5:48 PM Brian Milby via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I think what we probably need is simply:
>> 
>> set the hilitedItemSilently of widget 1 to 1
>> Or
>> set the hilitedItemWithoutMessage of widget 1 to 1
>> 
>> This would allow more elegant solutions to many of the raised issues.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Brian
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Aug 25, 2022, at 2:48 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> the two things that are glaring, imho are
>>> * [preHiliteChanged](https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23207)
>> -
>>> someone taps on a selection. i do a check, throw up a "nope", and nothing
>>> changes. this one is preventing me from moving off of the tmControls
>> navbar.
>>> * autowidth to the card width.
>>> but there are several others, as well
>>> 
>> https://quality.livecode.com/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=navigation%20bar&list_id=105904
>>> listen, i get it. i need to re-learn lcb and actually use it.
>>> but i also have force powers, so i know that someone is going to do these
>>> things, before i do, and then i won't have to.
>>> 
>>>> On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 2:39 PM Ralph DiMola via use-livecode <
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Mike,
>>>> I have used my own version of the navbar widget for years. I added an
>>>> option to enlarge/vertically justify the icon if there is no label and
>>>> eliminated the "new item" thingy. I think the stock widget already lets
>> you
>>>> select the zero option. I added that back before the stock widget let
>> you
>>>> do it. What changes/enhancements are you looking for?
>>>> 
>>>> I also have LCS routines to store the navbar options as a custom
>> property
>>>> array. I have handlers to add/delete/change option text and icons via
>>>> script for a contextual UI. They are not documented or polished but if
>>>> there is any interest I will look into it.
>>>> 
>>>> Ralph DiMola
>>>> IT Director
>>>> Evergreen Information Services
>>>> rdimola at evergreeninfo.net
>>>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>   and did a little diving.
> And God said, "This is good."
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Fri Aug 26 09:27:14 2022
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2022 09:27:14 -0400
Subject: Svg Icon Tool
In-Reply-To: <FD72354E-08C8-4B35-BCA5-DEF5958546A4@milby7.com>
References: <CADCoycNhxinwYffTcGF0qWrJQdCf8BmnZv75CU0sH62kd0O_3g@mail.gmail.com>
 <FD72354E-08C8-4B35-BCA5-DEF5958546A4@milby7.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycN-Jf6nHhy6_RMxGFmd2NE6VrzvstGAfQyOqAUx00HQWw@mail.gmail.com>

you would have a property for autohilite, and if that is false, the
developer would be responsible for setting the hilite. that's the way it's
implemented with other controls.

On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 9:23 AM Brian Milby via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> The silent update would allow that to happen in the hilitechanged handler.
>
> I don’t know how you would implement a pre… message.  How would the widget
> know whether to proceed or not?  The two messages would fire almost
> simultaneously.  There also isn’t any way to tell the widget to cancel the
> highlight action, which would be needed.
>
> A mouseDown message may work but would still need a way to cancel the
> highlight.  I think the silent change is the most seamless way to
> accomplish this task.
>
> In general I think that normal mouse messages should be passed from
> widgets - even if they add specialized functionality with additional
> messages.  I don’t think they would solve this issue on their own though.
>
> (I also did some work in this widget to add the nothing and multiple
> selections)
>
>
>
> > On Aug 26, 2022, at 9:03 AM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > i don't think so. i want to be able to be able to intercept the
> > touch/click, and decide what to do. sometimes i want to ignore it.
> > sometimes i want to throw up an error and not switch. sometimes i want to
> > do something else, first.
> >
> >> On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 5:48 PM Brian Milby via use-livecode <
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> I think what we probably need is simply:
> >>
> >> set the hilitedItemSilently of widget 1 to 1
> >> Or
> >> set the hilitedItemWithoutMessage of widget 1 to 1
> >>
> >> This would allow more elegant solutions to many of the raised issues.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Brian
> >>
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Aug 25, 2022, at 2:48 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> the two things that are glaring, imho are
> >>> * [preHiliteChanged](
> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23207)
> >> -
> >>> someone taps on a selection. i do a check, throw up a "nope", and
> nothing
> >>> changes. this one is preventing me from moving off of the tmControls
> >> navbar.
> >>> * autowidth to the card width.
> >>> but there are several others, as well
> >>>
> >>
> https://quality.livecode.com/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=navigation%20bar&list_id=105904
> >>> listen, i get it. i need to re-learn lcb and actually use it.
> >>> but i also have force powers, so i know that someone is going to do
> these
> >>> things, before i do, and then i won't have to.
> >>>
> >>>> On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 2:39 PM Ralph DiMola via use-livecode <
> >>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Mike,
> >>>> I have used my own version of the navbar widget for years. I added an
> >>>> option to enlarge/vertically justify the icon if there is no label and
> >>>> eliminated the "new item" thingy. I think the stock widget already
> lets
> >> you
> >>>> select the zero option. I added that back before the stock widget let
> >> you
> >>>> do it. What changes/enhancements are you looking for?
> >>>>
> >>>> I also have LCS routines to store the navbar options as a custom
> >> property
> >>>> array. I have handlers to add/delete/change option text and icons via
> >>>> script for a contextual UI. They are not documented or polished but if
> >>>> there is any interest I will look into it.
> >>>>
> >>>> Ralph DiMola
> >>>> IT Director
> >>>> Evergreen Information Services
> >>>> rdimola at evergreeninfo.net
> >>>>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> use-livecode mailing list
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> >> subscription preferences:
> >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> > On the second day, God created the oceans.
> > On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
> >   and did a little diving.
> > And God said, "This is good."
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
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On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."

From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net  Fri Aug 26 09:41:46 2022
From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2022 09:41:46 -0400
Subject: Svg Icon Tool
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycN-Jf6nHhy6_RMxGFmd2NE6VrzvstGAfQyOqAUx00HQWw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycNhxinwYffTcGF0qWrJQdCf8BmnZv75CU0sH62kd0O_3g@mail.gmail.com>
 <FD72354E-08C8-4B35-BCA5-DEF5958546A4@milby7.com>
 <CADCoycN-Jf6nHhy6_RMxGFmd2NE6VrzvstGAfQyOqAUx00HQWw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002a01d8b951$98eedc70$cacc9550$@net>

Do widgets even have the capability to send a message and have it return back to the widget if it is "Pass"ed in the spirit of "Pre" messages?

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdimola at evergreeninfo.net

-----Original Message-----
From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Mike Kerner via use-livecode
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2022 9:27 AM
To: How to use LiveCode
Cc: Mike Kerner
Subject: Re: Svg Icon Tool

you would have a property for autohilite, and if that is false, the developer would be responsible for setting the hilite. that's the way it's implemented with other controls.

On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 9:23 AM Brian Milby via use-livecode < use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> The silent update would allow that to happen in the hilitechanged handler.
>
> I don’t know how you would implement a pre… message.  How would the 
> widget know whether to proceed or not?  The two messages would fire 
> almost simultaneously.  There also isn’t any way to tell the widget to 
> cancel the highlight action, which would be needed.
>
> A mouseDown message may work but would still need a way to cancel the 
> highlight.  I think the silent change is the most seamless way to 
> accomplish this task.
>
> In general I think that normal mouse messages should be passed from 
> widgets - even if they add specialized functionality with additional 
> messages.  I don’t think they would solve this issue on their own though.
>
> (I also did some work in this widget to add the nothing and multiple
> selections)
>
>
>
> > On Aug 26, 2022, at 9:03 AM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > i don't think so. i want to be able to be able to intercept the 
> > touch/click, and decide what to do. sometimes i want to ignore it.
> > sometimes i want to throw up an error and not switch. sometimes i 
> > want to do something else, first.
> >
> >> On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 5:48 PM Brian Milby via use-livecode < 
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> I think what we probably need is simply:
> >>
> >> set the hilitedItemSilently of widget 1 to 1 Or set the 
> >> hilitedItemWithoutMessage of widget 1 to 1
> >>
> >> This would allow more elegant solutions to many of the raised issues.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Brian
> >>
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Aug 25, 2022, at 2:48 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> the two things that are glaring, imho are
> >>> * [preHiliteChanged](
> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23207)
> >> -
> >>> someone taps on a selection. i do a check, throw up a "nope", and
> nothing
> >>> changes. this one is preventing me from moving off of the 
> >>> tmControls
> >> navbar.
> >>> * autowidth to the card width.
> >>> but there are several others, as well
> >>>
> >>
> https://quality.livecode.com/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=navigation%20bar&
> list_id=105904
> >>> listen, i get it. i need to re-learn lcb and actually use it.
> >>> but i also have force powers, so i know that someone is going to 
> >>> do
> these
> >>> things, before i do, and then i won't have to.
> >>>
> >>>> On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 2:39 PM Ralph DiMola via use-livecode < 
> >>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Mike,
> >>>> I have used my own version of the navbar widget for years. I 
> >>>> added an option to enlarge/vertically justify the icon if there 
> >>>> is no label and eliminated the "new item" thingy. I think the 
> >>>> stock widget already
> lets
> >> you
> >>>> select the zero option. I added that back before the stock widget 
> >>>> let
> >> you
> >>>> do it. What changes/enhancements are you looking for?
> >>>>
> >>>> I also have LCS routines to store the navbar options as a custom
> >> property
> >>>> array. I have handlers to add/delete/change option text and icons 
> >>>> via script for a contextual UI. They are not documented or 
> >>>> polished but if there is any interest I will look into it.
> >>>>
> >>>> Ralph DiMola
> >>>> IT Director
> >>>> Evergreen Information Services
> >>>> rdimola at evergreeninfo.net
> >>>>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> use-livecode mailing list
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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> >
> >
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> > second day, God created the oceans.
> > On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
> >   and did a little diving.
> > And God said, "This is good."
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From brian at milby7.com  Fri Aug 26 10:13:14 2022
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2022 10:13:14 -0400
Subject: Svg Icon Tool
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Ok, then we need a full spec on how this would work.  It is not just the addition of a message.

To get what you are desiring, it would be most consistent to just add the mouse messages and the autoHilite property.

I would still want the silent option since that works most in the grain of the current functionality.

In your use case, you wouldn’t even use the hiliteChanged message.  You would just act based on the mouseUp after your checks.

From a UI perspective, I think it makes more sense for the object to highlight on the touch and then revert on the mouseUp if not permitted.

> On Aug 26, 2022, at 9:28 AM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> you would have a property for autohilite, and if that is false, the
> developer would be responsible for setting the hilite. that's the way it's
> implemented with other controls.
> 
>> On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 9:23 AM Brian Milby via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> The silent update would allow that to happen in the hilitechanged handler.
>> 
>> I don’t know how you would implement a pre… message.  How would the widget
>> know whether to proceed or not?  The two messages would fire almost
>> simultaneously.  There also isn’t any way to tell the widget to cancel the
>> highlight action, which would be needed.
>> 
>> A mouseDown message may work but would still need a way to cancel the
>> highlight.  I think the silent change is the most seamless way to
>> accomplish this task.
>> 
>> In general I think that normal mouse messages should be passed from
>> widgets - even if they add specialized functionality with additional
>> messages.  I don’t think they would solve this issue on their own though.
>> 
>> (I also did some work in this widget to add the nothing and multiple
>> selections)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 26, 2022, at 9:03 AM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> i don't think so. i want to be able to be able to intercept the
>>> touch/click, and decide what to do. sometimes i want to ignore it.
>>> sometimes i want to throw up an error and not switch. sometimes i want to
>>> do something else, first.
>>> 
>>>> On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 5:48 PM Brian Milby via use-livecode <
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I think what we probably need is simply:
>>>> 
>>>> set the hilitedItemSilently of widget 1 to 1
>>>> Or
>>>> set the hilitedItemWithoutMessage of widget 1 to 1
>>>> 
>>>> This would allow more elegant solutions to many of the raised issues.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Brian
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Aug 25, 2022, at 2:48 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> the two things that are glaring, imho are
>>>>> * [preHiliteChanged](
>> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23207)
>>>> -
>>>>> someone taps on a selection. i do a check, throw up a "nope", and
>> nothing
>>>>> changes. this one is preventing me from moving off of the tmControls
>>>> navbar.
>>>>> * autowidth to the card width.
>>>>> but there are several others, as well
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>> https://quality.livecode.com/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=navigation%20bar&list_id=105904
>>>>> listen, i get it. i need to re-learn lcb and actually use it.
>>>>> but i also have force powers, so i know that someone is going to do
>> these
>>>>> things, before i do, and then i won't have to.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 2:39 PM Ralph DiMola via use-livecode <
>>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Mike,
>>>>>> I have used my own version of the navbar widget for years. I added an
>>>>>> option to enlarge/vertically justify the icon if there is no label and
>>>>>> eliminated the "new item" thingy. I think the stock widget already
>> lets
>>>> you
>>>>>> select the zero option. I added that back before the stock widget let
>>>> you
>>>>>> do it. What changes/enhancements are you looking for?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I also have LCS routines to store the navbar options as a custom
>>>> property
>>>>>> array. I have handlers to add/delete/change option text and icons via
>>>>>> script for a contextual UI. They are not documented or polished but if
>>>>>> there is any interest I will look into it.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Ralph DiMola
>>>>>> IT Director
>>>>>> Evergreen Information Services
>>>>>> rdimola at evergreeninfo.net
>>>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>>> subscription preferences:
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>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
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>>> On the second day, God created the oceans.
>>> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>>>  and did a little diving.
>>> And God said, "This is good."
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
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> 
> 
> -- 
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> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>   and did a little diving.
> And God said, "This is good."
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From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Fri Aug 26 10:28:45 2022
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2022 10:28:45 -0400
Subject: Svg Icon Tool
In-Reply-To: <D91960E1-508B-41CB-B716-CD63A23098C0@milby7.com>
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correct, the hiliteChanged message is superfluous in this scenario, and the
developer would just manage the touch/mouse messages
i disagree that flipping the hilite to one and then back is better. the
hilite is an indicator of state. if the state is not allowed to change,
then the hilite should not change.
in the current operation, the user hits a selection. the hilite changes. at
this point, there aren't any good options. if we switch cards, then do the
test, tell the user that the selection is not allowed, then switch back,
they get this jerky transition, and we have to restore the previous state.
if we do not make the transition, then they get the hilite changing, then
they get rejected, and then we have to switch the hilite back to what it
was, before.

On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 10:14 AM Brian Milby via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Ok, then we need a full spec on how this would work.  It is not just the
> addition of a message.
>
> To get what you are desiring, it would be most consistent to just add the
> mouse messages and the autoHilite property.
>
> I would still want the silent option since that works most in the grain of
> the current functionality.
>
> In your use case, you wouldn’t even use the hiliteChanged message.  You
> would just act based on the mouseUp after your checks.
>
> From a UI perspective, I think it makes more sense for the object to
> highlight on the touch and then revert on the mouseUp if not permitted.
>
> > On Aug 26, 2022, at 9:28 AM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > you would have a property for autohilite, and if that is false, the
> > developer would be responsible for setting the hilite. that's the way
> it's
> > implemented with other controls.
> >
> >> On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 9:23 AM Brian Milby via use-livecode <
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> The silent update would allow that to happen in the hilitechanged
> handler.
> >>
> >> I don’t know how you would implement a pre… message.  How would the
> widget
> >> know whether to proceed or not?  The two messages would fire almost
> >> simultaneously.  There also isn’t any way to tell the widget to cancel
> the
> >> highlight action, which would be needed.
> >>
> >> A mouseDown message may work but would still need a way to cancel the
> >> highlight.  I think the silent change is the most seamless way to
> >> accomplish this task.
> >>
> >> In general I think that normal mouse messages should be passed from
> >> widgets - even if they add specialized functionality with additional
> >> messages.  I don’t think they would solve this issue on their own
> though.
> >>
> >> (I also did some work in this widget to add the nothing and multiple
> >> selections)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Aug 26, 2022, at 9:03 AM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> i don't think so. i want to be able to be able to intercept the
> >>> touch/click, and decide what to do. sometimes i want to ignore it.
> >>> sometimes i want to throw up an error and not switch. sometimes i want
> to
> >>> do something else, first.
> >>>
> >>>> On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 5:48 PM Brian Milby via use-livecode <
> >>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I think what we probably need is simply:
> >>>>
> >>>> set the hilitedItemSilently of widget 1 to 1
> >>>> Or
> >>>> set the hilitedItemWithoutMessage of widget 1 to 1
> >>>>
> >>>> This would allow more elegant solutions to many of the raised issues.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks,
> >>>> Brian
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Aug 25, 2022, at 2:48 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> >>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> the two things that are glaring, imho are
> >>>>> * [preHiliteChanged](
> >> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23207)
> >>>> -
> >>>>> someone taps on a selection. i do a check, throw up a "nope", and
> >> nothing
> >>>>> changes. this one is preventing me from moving off of the tmControls
> >>>> navbar.
> >>>>> * autowidth to the card width.
> >>>>> but there are several others, as well
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> https://quality.livecode.com/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=navigation%20bar&list_id=105904
> >>>>> listen, i get it. i need to re-learn lcb and actually use it.
> >>>>> but i also have force powers, so i know that someone is going to do
> >> these
> >>>>> things, before i do, and then i won't have to.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 2:39 PM Ralph DiMola via use-livecode <
> >>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Mike,
> >>>>>> I have used my own version of the navbar widget for years. I added
> an
> >>>>>> option to enlarge/vertically justify the icon if there is no label
> and
> >>>>>> eliminated the "new item" thingy. I think the stock widget already
> >> lets
> >>>> you
> >>>>>> select the zero option. I added that back before the stock widget
> let
> >>>> you
> >>>>>> do it. What changes/enhancements are you looking for?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I also have LCS routines to store the navbar options as a custom
> >>>> property
> >>>>>> array. I have handlers to add/delete/change option text and icons
> via
> >>>>>> script for a contextual UI. They are not documented or polished but
> if
> >>>>>> there is any interest I will look into it.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Ralph DiMola
> >>>>>> IT Director
> >>>>>> Evergreen Information Services
> >>>>>> rdimola at evergreeninfo.net
> >>>>>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> use-livecode mailing list
> >>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> >>>> subscription preferences:
> >>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> >>> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> >>> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
> >>>  and did a little diving.
> >>> And God said, "This is good."
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> use-livecode mailing list
> >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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> > On the second day, God created the oceans.
> > On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
> >   and did a little diving.
> > And God said, "This is good."
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On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."

From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Fri Aug 26 10:34:24 2022
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2022 10:34:24 -0400
Subject: Svg Icon Tool
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i could see, for someone who wants it to behave the way it behaves now,
that retaining the current behavior and adding to it would be better.
the control can work both ways, a manual mode and an automagical mode.

On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 10:28 AM Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com>
wrote:

> correct, the hiliteChanged message is superfluous in this scenario, and
> the developer would just manage the touch/mouse messages
> i disagree that flipping the hilite to one and then back is better. the
> hilite is an indicator of state. if the state is not allowed to change,
> then the hilite should not change.
> in the current operation, the user hits a selection. the hilite changes.
> at this point, there aren't any good options. if we switch cards, then do
> the test, tell the user that the selection is not allowed, then switch
> back, they get this jerky transition, and we have to restore the previous
> state. if we do not make the transition, then they get the hilite changing,
> then they get rejected, and then we have to switch the hilite back to what
> it was, before.
>
> On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 10:14 AM Brian Milby via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> Ok, then we need a full spec on how this would work.  It is not just the
>> addition of a message.
>>
>> To get what you are desiring, it would be most consistent to just add the
>> mouse messages and the autoHilite property.
>>
>> I would still want the silent option since that works most in the grain
>> of the current functionality.
>>
>> In your use case, you wouldn’t even use the hiliteChanged message.  You
>> would just act based on the mouseUp after your checks.
>>
>> From a UI perspective, I think it makes more sense for the object to
>> highlight on the touch and then revert on the mouseUp if not permitted.
>>
>> > On Aug 26, 2022, at 9:28 AM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > you would have a property for autohilite, and if that is false, the
>> > developer would be responsible for setting the hilite. that's the way
>> it's
>> > implemented with other controls.
>> >
>> >> On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 9:23 AM Brian Milby via use-livecode <
>> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> The silent update would allow that to happen in the hilitechanged
>> handler.
>> >>
>> >> I don’t know how you would implement a pre… message.  How would the
>> widget
>> >> know whether to proceed or not?  The two messages would fire almost
>> >> simultaneously.  There also isn’t any way to tell the widget to cancel
>> the
>> >> highlight action, which would be needed.
>> >>
>> >> A mouseDown message may work but would still need a way to cancel the
>> >> highlight.  I think the silent change is the most seamless way to
>> >> accomplish this task.
>> >>
>> >> In general I think that normal mouse messages should be passed from
>> >> widgets - even if they add specialized functionality with additional
>> >> messages.  I don’t think they would solve this issue on their own
>> though.
>> >>
>> >> (I also did some work in this widget to add the nothing and multiple
>> >> selections)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> On Aug 26, 2022, at 9:03 AM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
>> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> i don't think so. i want to be able to be able to intercept the
>> >>> touch/click, and decide what to do. sometimes i want to ignore it.
>> >>> sometimes i want to throw up an error and not switch. sometimes i
>> want to
>> >>> do something else, first.
>> >>>
>> >>>> On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 5:48 PM Brian Milby via use-livecode <
>> >>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I think what we probably need is simply:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> set the hilitedItemSilently of widget 1 to 1
>> >>>> Or
>> >>>> set the hilitedItemWithoutMessage of widget 1 to 1
>> >>>>
>> >>>> This would allow more elegant solutions to many of the raised issues.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Thanks,
>> >>>> Brian
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> On Aug 25, 2022, at 2:48 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
>> >>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> the two things that are glaring, imho are
>> >>>>> * [preHiliteChanged](
>> >> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23207)
>> >>>> -
>> >>>>> someone taps on a selection. i do a check, throw up a "nope", and
>> >> nothing
>> >>>>> changes. this one is preventing me from moving off of the tmControls
>> >>>> navbar.
>> >>>>> * autowidth to the card width.
>> >>>>> but there are several others, as well
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>
>> https://quality.livecode.com/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=navigation%20bar&list_id=105904
>> >>>>> listen, i get it. i need to re-learn lcb and actually use it.
>> >>>>> but i also have force powers, so i know that someone is going to do
>> >> these
>> >>>>> things, before i do, and then i won't have to.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 2:39 PM Ralph DiMola via use-livecode <
>> >>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Mike,
>> >>>>>> I have used my own version of the navbar widget for years. I added
>> an
>> >>>>>> option to enlarge/vertically justify the icon if there is no label
>> and
>> >>>>>> eliminated the "new item" thingy. I think the stock widget already
>> >> lets
>> >>>> you
>> >>>>>> select the zero option. I added that back before the stock widget
>> let
>> >>>> you
>> >>>>>> do it. What changes/enhancements are you looking for?
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> I also have LCS routines to store the navbar options as a custom
>> >>>> property
>> >>>>>> array. I have handlers to add/delete/change option text and icons
>> via
>> >>>>>> script for a contextual UI. They are not documented or polished
>> but if
>> >>>>>> there is any interest I will look into it.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Ralph DiMola
>> >>>>>> IT Director
>> >>>>>> Evergreen Information Services
>> >>>>>> rdimola at evergreeninfo.net
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>> _______________________________________________
>> >>>> use-livecode mailing list
>> >>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> >>>> subscription preferences:
>> >>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
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>> >>> On the second day, God created the oceans.
>> >>> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>> >>>  and did a little diving.
>> >>> And God said, "This is good."
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>> > On the second day, God created the oceans.
>> > On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>> >   and did a little diving.
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> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>    and did a little diving.
> And God said, "This is good."
>


-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."

From brian at milby7.com  Fri Aug 26 10:58:14 2022
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2022 10:58:14 -0400
Subject: Svg Icon Tool
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycNxC9B0bKc5x9Pxho6r92XPF1nKFACi9A572VyPFw5Gmg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycNxC9B0bKc5x9Pxho6r92XPF1nKFACi9A572VyPFw5Gmg@mail.gmail.com>
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Speaking from a phone UI context, I would think that when you touch an object that it would highlight to register the touch.  If you drag off the object, then the touch is cancelled.  When you release, then the validity is tested.  If the touch is valid, then the object would retain the highlight (or if you had different colors for touch/selected it would change) and the follow on actions would take place.  If not valid, the highlight would be reverted to previous state without any change in the current card.

All of this can be scripted currently but you have to add your own tests to the hiliteChanged message and guard against causing a loop.

I’ll set up a repo for this widget so it can be worked based on the GPL code.

> On Aug 26, 2022, at 10:30 AM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> correct, the hiliteChanged message is superfluous in this scenario, and the
> developer would just manage the touch/mouse messages
> i disagree that flipping the hilite to one and then back is better. the
> hilite is an indicator of state. if the state is not allowed to change,
> then the hilite should not change.
> in the current operation, the user hits a selection. the hilite changes. at
> this point, there aren't any good options. if we switch cards, then do the
> test, tell the user that the selection is not allowed, then switch back,
> they get this jerky transition, and we have to restore the previous state.
> if we do not make the transition, then they get the hilite changing, then
> they get rejected, and then we have to switch the hilite back to what it
> was, before.
> 
>> On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 10:14 AM Brian Milby via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Ok, then we need a full spec on how this would work.  It is not just the
>> addition of a message.
>> 
>> To get what you are desiring, it would be most consistent to just add the
>> mouse messages and the autoHilite property.
>> 
>> I would still want the silent option since that works most in the grain of
>> the current functionality.
>> 
>> In your use case, you wouldn’t even use the hiliteChanged message.  You
>> would just act based on the mouseUp after your checks.
>> 
>> From a UI perspective, I think it makes more sense for the object to
>> highlight on the touch and then revert on the mouseUp if not permitted.
>> 
>>> On Aug 26, 2022, at 9:28 AM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> you would have a property for autohilite, and if that is false, the
>>> developer would be responsible for setting the hilite. that's the way
>> it's
>>> implemented with other controls.
>>> 
>>>> On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 9:23 AM Brian Milby via use-livecode <
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> The silent update would allow that to happen in the hilitechanged
>> handler.
>>>> 
>>>> I don’t know how you would implement a pre… message.  How would the
>> widget
>>>> know whether to proceed or not?  The two messages would fire almost
>>>> simultaneously.  There also isn’t any way to tell the widget to cancel
>> the
>>>> highlight action, which would be needed.
>>>> 
>>>> A mouseDown message may work but would still need a way to cancel the
>>>> highlight.  I think the silent change is the most seamless way to
>>>> accomplish this task.
>>>> 
>>>> In general I think that normal mouse messages should be passed from
>>>> widgets - even if they add specialized functionality with additional
>>>> messages.  I don’t think they would solve this issue on their own
>> though.
>>>> 
>>>> (I also did some work in this widget to add the nothing and multiple
>>>> selections)
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Aug 26, 2022, at 9:03 AM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> i don't think so. i want to be able to be able to intercept the
>>>>> touch/click, and decide what to do. sometimes i want to ignore it.
>>>>> sometimes i want to throw up an error and not switch. sometimes i want
>> to
>>>>> do something else, first.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 5:48 PM Brian Milby via use-livecode <
>>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I think what we probably need is simply:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> set the hilitedItemSilently of widget 1 to 1
>>>>>> Or
>>>>>> set the hilitedItemWithoutMessage of widget 1 to 1
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> This would allow more elegant solutions to many of the raised issues.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Brian
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Aug 25, 2022, at 2:48 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
>>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> the two things that are glaring, imho are
>>>>>>> * [preHiliteChanged](
>>>> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23207)
>>>>>> -
>>>>>>> someone taps on a selection. i do a check, throw up a "nope", and
>>>> nothing
>>>>>>> changes. this one is preventing me from moving off of the tmControls
>>>>>> navbar.
>>>>>>> * autowidth to the card width.
>>>>>>> but there are several others, as well
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>> 
>> https://quality.livecode.com/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=navigation%20bar&list_id=105904
>>>>>>> listen, i get it. i need to re-learn lcb and actually use it.
>>>>>>> but i also have force powers, so i know that someone is going to do
>>>> these
>>>>>>> things, before i do, and then i won't have to.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 2:39 PM Ralph DiMola via use-livecode <
>>>>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Mike,
>>>>>>>> I have used my own version of the navbar widget for years. I added
>> an
>>>>>>>> option to enlarge/vertically justify the icon if there is no label
>> and
>>>>>>>> eliminated the "new item" thingy. I think the stock widget already
>>>> lets
>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>> select the zero option. I added that back before the stock widget
>> let
>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>> do it. What changes/enhancements are you looking for?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I also have LCS routines to store the navbar options as a custom
>>>>>> property
>>>>>>>> array. I have handlers to add/delete/change option text and icons
>> via
>>>>>>>> script for a contextual UI. They are not documented or polished but
>> if
>>>>>>>> there is any interest I will look into it.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Ralph DiMola
>>>>>>>> IT Director
>>>>>>>> Evergreen Information Services
>>>>>>>> rdimola at evergreeninfo.net
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> use-livecode mailing list
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>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
>>>>> On the second day, God created the oceans.
>>>>> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>>>>> and did a little diving.
>>>>> And God said, "This is good."
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>>> subscription preferences:
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
>>> On the second day, God created the oceans.
>>> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>>>  and did a little diving.
>>> And God said, "This is good."
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
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> 
> 
> -- 
> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>   and did a little diving.
> And God said, "This is good."
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net  Fri Aug 26 11:54:27 2022
From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2022 11:54:27 -0400
Subject: Svg Icon Tool
In-Reply-To: <D91960E1-508B-41CB-B716-CD63A23098C0@milby7.com>
References: <CADCoycN-Jf6nHhy6_RMxGFmd2NE6VrzvstGAfQyOqAUx00HQWw@mail.gmail.com>
 <D91960E1-508B-41CB-B716-CD63A23098C0@milby7.com>
Message-ID: <003c01d8b964$22059910$6610cb30$@net>

What if the widget had a property to disable the auto hilite on click and when the hiliteChanged message arrives you can set(or not) the hilite as appropriate via setting a widget property? A pre-message would be cleaner but this is not horrible.

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdimola at evergreeninfo.net


-----Original Message-----
From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Brian Milby via use-livecode
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2022 10:13 AM
To: How to use LiveCode
Cc: Brian Milby
Subject: Re: Svg Icon Tool

Ok, then we need a full spec on how this would work.  It is not just the addition of a message.

To get what you are desiring, it would be most consistent to just add the mouse messages and the autoHilite property.

I would still want the silent option since that works most in the grain of the current functionality.

In your use case, you wouldn’t even use the hiliteChanged message.  You would just act based on the mouseUp after your checks.

>From a UI perspective, I think it makes more sense for the object to highlight on the touch and then revert on the mouseUp if not permitted.

> On Aug 26, 2022, at 9:28 AM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> you would have a property for autohilite, and if that is false, the 
> developer would be responsible for setting the hilite. that's the way 
> it's implemented with other controls.
> 
>> On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 9:23 AM Brian Milby via use-livecode < 
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> The silent update would allow that to happen in the hilitechanged handler.
>> 
>> I don’t know how you would implement a pre… message.  How would the 
>> widget know whether to proceed or not?  The two messages would fire 
>> almost simultaneously.  There also isn’t any way to tell the widget 
>> to cancel the highlight action, which would be needed.
>> 
>> A mouseDown message may work but would still need a way to cancel the 
>> highlight.  I think the silent change is the most seamless way to 
>> accomplish this task.
>> 
>> In general I think that normal mouse messages should be passed from 
>> widgets - even if they add specialized functionality with additional 
>> messages.  I don’t think they would solve this issue on their own though.
>> 
>> (I also did some work in this widget to add the nothing and multiple
>> selections)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 26, 2022, at 9:03 AM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> i don't think so. i want to be able to be able to intercept the 
>>> touch/click, and decide what to do. sometimes i want to ignore it.
>>> sometimes i want to throw up an error and not switch. sometimes i 
>>> want to do something else, first.
>>> 
>>>> On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 5:48 PM Brian Milby via use-livecode < 
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I think what we probably need is simply:
>>>> 
>>>> set the hilitedItemSilently of widget 1 to 1 Or set the 
>>>> hilitedItemWithoutMessage of widget 1 to 1
>>>> 
>>>> This would allow more elegant solutions to many of the raised issues.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Brian
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Aug 25, 2022, at 2:48 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> the two things that are glaring, imho are
>>>>> * [preHiliteChanged](
>> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23207)
>>>> -
>>>>> someone taps on a selection. i do a check, throw up a "nope", and
>> nothing
>>>>> changes. this one is preventing me from moving off of the 
>>>>> tmControls
>>>> navbar.
>>>>> * autowidth to the card width.
>>>>> but there are several others, as well
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>> https://quality.livecode.com/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=navigation%20bar
>> &list_id=105904
>>>>> listen, i get it. i need to re-learn lcb and actually use it.
>>>>> but i also have force powers, so i know that someone is going to 
>>>>> do
>> these
>>>>> things, before i do, and then i won't have to.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 2:39 PM Ralph DiMola via use-livecode < 
>>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Mike,
>>>>>> I have used my own version of the navbar widget for years. I 
>>>>>> added an option to enlarge/vertically justify the icon if there 
>>>>>> is no label and eliminated the "new item" thingy. I think the 
>>>>>> stock widget already
>> lets
>>>> you
>>>>>> select the zero option. I added that back before the stock widget 
>>>>>> let
>>>> you
>>>>>> do it. What changes/enhancements are you looking for?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I also have LCS routines to store the navbar options as a custom
>>>> property
>>>>>> array. I have handlers to add/delete/change option text and icons 
>>>>>> via script for a contextual UI. They are not documented or 
>>>>>> polished but if there is any interest I will look into it.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Ralph DiMola
>>>>>> IT Director
>>>>>> Evergreen Information Services
>>>>>> rdimola at evergreeninfo.net
>>>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
>>>> subscription preferences:
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the 
>>> second day, God created the oceans.
>>> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,  and 
>>> did a little diving.
>>> And God said, "This is good."
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
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>> subscription preferences:
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> 
> --
> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second 
> day, God created the oceans.
> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>   and did a little diving.
> And God said, "This is good."
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From brian at milby7.com  Fri Aug 26 13:13:00 2022
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2022 13:13:00 -0400
Subject: Svg Icon Tool
In-Reply-To: <003c01d8b964$22059910$6610cb30$@net>
References: <003c01d8b964$22059910$6610cb30$@net>
Message-ID: <90227B15-2B5C-48FB-B695-35C440F3DAA9@milby7.com>

I think that if auto highlight is disabled then hiliteChanged would never get triggered.  Having the back end highlight change without it visually changing would probably lead to confusion.


> On Aug 26, 2022, at 11:55 AM, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> What if the widget had a property to disable the auto hilite on click and when the hiliteChanged message arrives you can set(or not) the hilite as appropriate via setting a widget property? A pre-message would be cleaner but this is not horrible.
> 
> Ralph DiMola
> IT Director
> Evergreen Information Services
> rdimola at evergreeninfo.net


From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net  Fri Aug 26 15:25:15 2022
From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2022 15:25:15 -0400
Subject: Svg Icon Tool
In-Reply-To: <90227B15-2B5C-48FB-B695-35C440F3DAA9@milby7.com>
References: <003c01d8b964$22059910$6610cb30$@net>
 <90227B15-2B5C-48FB-B695-35C440F3DAA9@milby7.com>
Message-ID: <006101d8b981$94e1dee0$bea59ca0$@net>

I looked at the code and an auto hilite property could be added and the hiliteing could be disabled. It would be confusing but it would be allow one to control the hilite. I'm going to try it for laughs.

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdimola at evergreeninfo.net


-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Friday, August 26, 2022 1:13 PM
To: How to use LiveCode
Cc: Brian Milby
Subject: Re: Svg Icon Tool

I think that if auto highlight is disabled then hiliteChanged would never get triggered.  Having the back end highlight change without it visually changing would probably lead to confusion.


> On Aug 26, 2022, at 11:55 AM, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> What if the widget had a property to disable the auto hilite on click and when the hiliteChanged message arrives you can set(or not) the hilite as appropriate via setting a widget property? A pre-message would be cleaner but this is not horrible.
> 
> Ralph DiMola
> IT Director
> Evergreen Information Services
> rdimola at evergreeninfo.net

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From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Fri Aug 26 16:08:08 2022
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2022 16:08:08 -0400
Subject: Svg Icon Tool
In-Reply-To: <006101d8b981$94e1dee0$bea59ca0$@net>
References: <003c01d8b964$22059910$6610cb30$@net>
 <90227B15-2B5C-48FB-B695-35C440F3DAA9@milby7.com>
 <006101d8b981$94e1dee0$bea59ca0$@net>
Message-ID: <CADCoycOUb1P-16JvksJM2j=91VNw4-V3_trD1otzS1F_c0tc5g@mail.gmail.com>

i decided, yesterday, to go through the lcb lessons, again, because of this
issue (and wanting to deal with a couple of things in the iconPicker).
hopefully it'll be done and released before i finish the course, because
Stephen said that he's going to have a new version of powerButton out in
the morning, which will hopefully cause me to forget about this while i
play with that.

On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 3:26 PM Ralph DiMola via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I looked at the code and an auto hilite property could be added and the
> hiliteing could be disabled. It would be confusing but it would be allow
> one to control the hilite. I'm going to try it for laughs.
>
> Ralph DiMola
> IT Director
> Evergreen Information Services
> rdimola at evergreeninfo.net
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On
> Behalf Of Brian Milby via use-livecode
> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2022 1:13 PM
> To: How to use LiveCode
> Cc: Brian Milby
> Subject: Re: Svg Icon Tool
>
> I think that if auto highlight is disabled then hiliteChanged would never
> get triggered.  Having the back end highlight change without it visually
> changing would probably lead to confusion.
>
>
> > On Aug 26, 2022, at 11:55 AM, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > What if the widget had a property to disable the auto hilite on click
> and when the hiliteChanged message arrives you can set(or not) the hilite
> as appropriate via setting a widget property? A pre-message would be
> cleaner but this is not horrible.
> >
> > Ralph DiMola
> > IT Director
> > Evergreen Information Services
> > rdimola at evergreeninfo.net
>
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-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."

From Bernd.Niggemann at uni-wh.de  Fri Aug 26 16:25:08 2022
From: Bernd.Niggemann at uni-wh.de (Niggemann, Bernd)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2022 20:25:08 +0000
Subject: BN Guides
Message-ID: <19A751CC-F617-4659-A6D8-C79FA0DE3CE0@uni-wh.de>

Hi Bob,

There is an alternative for guide right now

https://livecodeshare.runrev.com/stack/1002/DevGuides-Plugin-Installer

and 10.0.0 DP4 has guides built-in. They look and work really well.

I will not develop bnGuides further since starting LC 10 they will be part of the IDE.
I liked the idea to push the concept of behaviors for guides. But maybe a bit too far.

Nevertheless the version of bnGuides Matthias linked to  in the Forum is one version step ahead of the one in Livecodeshare/Sample Stacks.

Kind regards
Bernd

From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Fri Aug 26 16:50:59 2022
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2022 16:50:59 -0400
Subject: Svg Icon Tool
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycOUb1P-16JvksJM2j=91VNw4-V3_trD1otzS1F_c0tc5g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <003c01d8b964$22059910$6610cb30$@net>
 <90227B15-2B5C-48FB-B695-35C440F3DAA9@milby7.com>
 <006101d8b981$94e1dee0$bea59ca0$@net>
 <CADCoycOUb1P-16JvksJM2j=91VNw4-V3_trD1otzS1F_c0tc5g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycMoprOFoNUNEmgr2daUN23MJ-tXxDfsxHZ1zH_OwdNn7A@mail.gmail.com>

sorry - STEVEN

On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 4:08 PM Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com>
wrote:

> i decided, yesterday, to go through the lcb lessons, again, because of
> this issue (and wanting to deal with a couple of things in the iconPicker).
> hopefully it'll be done and released before i finish the course, because
> Stephen said that he's going to have a new version of powerButton out in
> the morning, which will hopefully cause me to forget about this while i
> play with that.
>
> On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 3:26 PM Ralph DiMola via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> I looked at the code and an auto hilite property could be added and the
>> hiliteing could be disabled. It would be confusing but it would be allow
>> one to control the hilite. I'm going to try it for laughs.
>>
>> Ralph DiMola
>> IT Director
>> Evergreen Information Services
>> rdimola at evergreeninfo.net
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On
>> Behalf Of Brian Milby via use-livecode
>> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2022 1:13 PM
>> To: How to use LiveCode
>> Cc: Brian Milby
>> Subject: Re: Svg Icon Tool
>>
>> I think that if auto highlight is disabled then hiliteChanged would never
>> get triggered.  Having the back end highlight change without it visually
>> changing would probably lead to confusion.
>>
>>
>> > On Aug 26, 2022, at 11:55 AM, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > What if the widget had a property to disable the auto hilite on click
>> and when the hiliteChanged message arrives you can set(or not) the hilite
>> as appropriate via setting a widget property? A pre-message would be
>> cleaner but this is not horrible.
>> >
>> > Ralph DiMola
>> > IT Director
>> > Evergreen Information Services
>> > rdimola at evergreeninfo.net
>>
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>
> --
> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>    and did a little diving.
> And God said, "This is good."
>


-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."

From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Aug 26 17:00:20 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2022 21:00:20 +0000
Subject: BN Guides
In-Reply-To: <19A751CC-F617-4659-A6D8-C79FA0DE3CE0@uni-wh.de>
References: <19A751CC-F617-4659-A6D8-C79FA0DE3CE0@uni-wh.de>
Message-ID: <F6B59A86-BA49-4939-A138-EB7223B03989@iotecdigital.com>

Works great. Thanks.

Bob S


On Aug 26, 2022, at 13:25 , Niggemann, Bernd via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com<mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:

Hi Bob,

There is an alternative for guide right now

https://livecodeshare.runrev.com/stack/1002/DevGuides-Plugin-Installer

and 10.0.0 DP4 has guides built-in. They look and work really well.

I will not develop bnGuides further since starting LC 10 they will be part of the IDE.
I liked the idea to push the concept of behaviors for guides. But maybe a bit too far.

Nevertheless the version of bnGuides Matthias linked to  in the Forum is one version step ahead of the one in Livecodeshare/Sample Stacks.

Kind regards
Bernd


From bobcole at earthlink.net  Fri Aug 26 17:10:31 2022
From: bobcole at earthlink.net (Bob Cole)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2022 16:10:31 -0500
Subject: addIcon issue
In-Reply-To: <F546ECF5-EA9E-4D13-8067-34800E36C96B@mac.com>
References: <F546ECF5-EA9E-4D13-8067-34800E36C96B@mac.com>
Message-ID: <F51E339E-3EDD-4525-9C32-AAB06ABFAF41@earthlink.net>

I added the test icon to the custom icon library. Now I want to delete it.
In the Dictionary for Icon SVG Library, I see there is a way to delete an entire icon family:  deleteIconFamily(pFamily) 
Is there a way to remove just one icon from a family?
Bob

From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Sun Aug 28 11:10:12 2022
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2022 11:10:12 -0400
Subject: addIcon issue
In-Reply-To: <F51E339E-3EDD-4525-9C32-AAB06ABFAF41@earthlink.net>
References: <F546ECF5-EA9E-4D13-8067-34800E36C96B@mac.com>
 <F51E339E-3EDD-4525-9C32-AAB06ABFAF41@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <CADCoycMt7bawn_qAGyXe9WAMgQQLmxA07MiMo6KVL1vOC-J3Bw@mail.gmail.com>

* icon operations are temporary (as soon as you quit LC and relaunch it,
the icons and families you add go away)
* there is no deleteIcon code in the icon api
* the icon api is
in /Contents/Tools/Extensions/com.livecode.library.iconsvg/iconsvg.lcb


On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 5:11 PM Bob Cole via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I added the test icon to the custom icon library. Now I want to delete it.
> In the Dictionary for Icon SVG Library, I see there is a way to delete an
> entire icon family:  deleteIconFamily(pFamily)
> Is there a way to remove just one icon from a family?
> Bob
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-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."

From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Sun Aug 28 12:58:27 2022
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2022 12:58:27 -0400
Subject: lcb missing manual
Message-ID: <CADCoycPt-rJbQCfrAG_zcb7MjNVar2aOBOLUqo8jxFKbcv=sMw@mail.gmail.com>

things for lcb that are supposedly documented, but i can't find:
* editor types (e.g. com.livecode.pi.number)
* other metadata definitions for properties, widgets, etc.)

-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."

From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Aug 28 13:05:32 2022
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2022 18:05:32 +0100
Subject: lcb missing manual
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycPt-rJbQCfrAG_zcb7MjNVar2aOBOLUqo8jxFKbcv=sMw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycPt-rJbQCfrAG_zcb7MjNVar2aOBOLUqo8jxFKbcv=sMw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAL3fwtiqjF8JPgAf-z5wn+cjV6ix=Ge9P8wiDUn=85tYmYJS8A@mail.gmail.com>

It would be good were there full documentation for LCB, and, preferably
with some sort of thematic search so, unlike the LiveCode dictionary one
did not have to flounder around so much working out what to search for.

On Sun, 28 Aug 2022, 18:00 Mike Kerner via use-livecode, <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> things for lcb that are supposedly documented, but i can't find:
> * editor types (e.g. com.livecode.pi.number)
> * other metadata definitions for properties, widgets, etc.)
>
> --
> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>    and did a little diving.
> And God said, "This is good."
> _______________________________________________
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> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Sun Aug 28 13:17:54 2022
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2022 10:17:54 -0700
Subject: lcb missing manual
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycPt-rJbQCfrAG_zcb7MjNVar2aOBOLUqo8jxFKbcv=sMw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycPt-rJbQCfrAG_zcb7MjNVar2aOBOLUqo8jxFKbcv=sMw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a20713f0-59f5-2fca-d610-c4f5d8bcf312@sonic.net>

On 8/28/22 09:58, Mike Kerner via use-livecode wrote:
> things for lcb that are supposedly documented, but i can't find:
> * editor types (e.g. com.livecode.pi.number)
> * other metadata definitions for properties, widgets, etc.)

...things that we use in LCS but aren't available in LCB:
colornames
switch statements
etc.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com


From gcanyon at gmail.com  Sun Aug 28 13:35:19 2022
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2022 10:35:19 -0700
Subject: Livecode / Github
In-Reply-To: <9860AEA8-BA22-4047-986E-A904AAB6AD47@pidigital.co.uk>
References: <CADCoycP9zp6XZkjYWyLYXLPY4S_r0pkz0PXkCtHy6SSd17SrEQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <9860AEA8-BA22-4047-986E-A904AAB6AD47@pidigital.co.uk>
Message-ID: <CAKCLKtr55nmwbHFLFRX65hAVj_LOtRHyxwMLqhxw2X-VUBPR4Q@mail.gmail.com>

The same applies to the code in Navigator. I wrote it about five years ago
when I was preparing to transform Navigator itself to use script behaviors.

Always work on a copy.

That said, it worked fine for Navigator, and no one has ever told me it
broke anything.

gc

On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 10:06 PM Pi Digital via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I tried scriptifier and it broke stuff so just be careful with it and
> check its output.
>
> Sean
>
>
> > On 19 Aug 2022, at 01:39, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hey Skip, long time...
> > I don't know if you were around when script-only-stack behaviors came
> into
> > being, but you can now rip all of the code out of your stacks and happily
> > use vc/git. The stacks themselves are still binary (although several of
> us
> > have been messing with dumping that paradigm completely, it's less
> > practical than I would have hoped, as of today).
> > Navigator will export every script in a project into behavior stacks, and
> > Monte wrote a stack called "Scriptifier", if memory serves. It's embedded
> > in the LC bundle, and it does the same thing, namely extracting all the
> > scripts out of a project and putting them into .livecodescript text
> files.
> > Levure is great. I have used it with every project I've worked on for
> > several years, BUT you don't have to use it to go this route.
> >
> >> On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 7:04 PM Martin Koob via use-livecode <
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi SKIP
> >>
> >> Welcome back to the list!
> >>
> >> There is Levure which I knew of as a third party application framework
> >> created by Trevor DeVore but I just did a search for it and I see it
> now on
> >> the LiveCode website described as an App Collaboration Framework.
> >> https://livecode.com/products/livecode-platform/levure/ <
> >> https://livecode.com/products/livecode-platform/levure/>  So it must
> have
> >> at some point migrated to the mother ship.
> >>
> >> I haven’t used it but I have considered migrating my application to it.
> >> It works with version control systems as long as you follow its
> >> recommendations about how to organize your code into behaviours that are
> >> stored in script only stacks which are just text files that a version
> >> control system can read (These are somewhat new so depending on when you
> >> last used LiveCode they may be new to you.)  This was an enhancement
> that
> >> has enabled the use of version control for scripts in a project. It is
> the
> >> binary stacks that versions control systems can’t track so in Levure
> those
> >> are just used for user interface.
> >>
> >> Hope this helps.
> >>
> >> Martin
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Aug 18, 2022, at 6:38 PM, Skip Kimpel via use-livecode <
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Greetings!
> >>>
> >>> Been a while since I have been on this list.  Working on a new project
> >> and
> >>> wondering if the backing up of Livecode files to Github was ever
> >>> implemented and created.  I know there was talk of it at one time.
> >>>
> >>> I apologize if it has been in place for a while and I am just out of
> the
> >>> loop.  Actually, I HOPE that is the case!
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>>
> >>> SKIP
> >>> _______________________________________________
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> >
> >
> > --
> > On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> > On the second day, God created the oceans.
> > On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
> >   and did a little diving.
> > And God said, "This is good."
> > _______________________________________________
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From gcanyon at gmail.com  Sun Aug 28 13:38:06 2022
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2022 10:38:06 -0700
Subject: BN Guides
In-Reply-To: <2B813B89-5BA5-4C48-8B36-35BBE9344B07@iotecdigital.com>
References: <2B813B89-5BA5-4C48-8B36-35BBE9344B07@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CAKCLKtp7xtjPORrV8vciYqf3OgZ_TTxww2Soe7my-Zk8Xi_HCA@mail.gmail.com>

Where are the BN guides? I'd be curious to see how this is happening. As I
recall, Navigator is designed to dive through whatever behaviors are set
regardless of how deep the rabbit hole goes to find the actual behavior,
but I haven't looked at that part of the code in years.

gc

On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 8:26 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Who wrote BN Guides? Very cool, but there is a conflict with Navigator.
> When I double-click an object in Navigator to open it's script, I get t he
> BNGuides script instead.
>
> Bob S
>
>
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From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Sun Aug 28 14:06:39 2022
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2022 14:06:39 -0400
Subject: lcb missing manual
In-Reply-To: <a20713f0-59f5-2fca-d610-c4f5d8bcf312@sonic.net>
References: <CADCoycPt-rJbQCfrAG_zcb7MjNVar2aOBOLUqo8jxFKbcv=sMw@mail.gmail.com>
 <a20713f0-59f5-2fca-d610-c4f5d8bcf312@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <CADCoycNA_c3_jn8KufJWE2=012=X37nT9m22xREk0ykeK2kxNQ@mail.gmail.com>

the lcb documentation, especially in the api widget is ungreat.
the good news is that as long as there is an oss repo version of LC, you
can hunt for some of the information that is missing. AND, at least for
now, you can still find much of it in the LC application
example: as i was hunting, i found a bunch of editors, but none of them
seem to be documented anywhere obvious.

On Sun, Aug 28, 2022 at 1:18 PM Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> On 8/28/22 09:58, Mike Kerner via use-livecode wrote:
> > things for lcb that are supposedly documented, but i can't find:
> > * editor types (e.g. com.livecode.pi.number)
> > * other metadata definitions for properties, widgets, etc.)
>
> ...things that we use in LCS but aren't available in LCB:
> colornames
> switch statements
> etc.
>
> --
>   Mark Wieder
>   ahsoftware at gmail.com
>
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-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."

From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Sun Aug 28 14:25:59 2022
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2022 11:25:59 -0700
Subject: lcb missing manual
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycNA_c3_jn8KufJWE2=012=X37nT9m22xREk0ykeK2kxNQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycPt-rJbQCfrAG_zcb7MjNVar2aOBOLUqo8jxFKbcv=sMw@mail.gmail.com>
 <a20713f0-59f5-2fca-d610-c4f5d8bcf312@sonic.net>
 <CADCoycNA_c3_jn8KufJWE2=012=X37nT9m22xREk0ykeK2kxNQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <33692627-5f0a-25ff-c4a8-5664e460a7cb@sonic.net>

On 8/28/22 11:06, Mike Kerner wrote:
> the lcb documentation, especially in the api widget is ungreat.
> the good news is that as long as there is an oss repo version of LC, you 
> can hunt for some of the information that is missing. AND, at least for 
> now, you can still find much of it in the LC application
> example: as i was hunting, i found a bunch of editors, but none of them 
> seem to be documented anywhere obvious.

Yep - I find most of my documentation by digging.

The lack of colornames just bit me earlier this week and I had to 
backpedal and code a list of a dozen color names as "R,G,B". Even the 
"#FFFFFF" format isn't accepted.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com


From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Sun Aug 28 15:05:44 2022
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2022 21:05:44 +0200
Subject: BN Guides
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKtp7xtjPORrV8vciYqf3OgZ_TTxww2Soe7my-Zk8Xi_HCA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2B813B89-5BA5-4C48-8B36-35BBE9344B07@iotecdigital.com>
 <CAKCLKtp7xtjPORrV8vciYqf3OgZ_TTxww2Soe7my-Zk8Xi_HCA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A70F5473-A27C-43DE-9FB0-82A46BC4176C@m-r-d.de>

Geoff,

you can find the most current version here

https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=31920 <https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=31920>


Regards,
Matthias


> Am 28.08.2022 um 19:38 schrieb Geoff Canyon via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>>:
> 
> Where are the BN guides? I'd be curious to see how this is happening. As I
> recall, Navigator is designed to dive through whatever behaviors are set
> regardless of how deep the rabbit hole goes to find the actual behavior,
> but I haven't looked at that part of the code in years.
> 
> gc
> 
> On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 8:26 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
> 
>> Who wrote BN Guides? Very cool, but there is a conflict with Navigator.
>> When I double-click an object in Navigator to open it's script, I get t he
>> BNGuides script instead.
>> 
>> Bob S
>> 
>> 
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From gcanyon at gmail.com  Sun Aug 28 15:29:27 2022
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2022 12:29:27 -0700
Subject: Livecode / Github
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKtr55nmwbHFLFRX65hAVj_LOtRHyxwMLqhxw2X-VUBPR4Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycP9zp6XZkjYWyLYXLPY4S_r0pkz0PXkCtHy6SSd17SrEQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <9860AEA8-BA22-4047-986E-A904AAB6AD47@pidigital.co.uk>
 <CAKCLKtr55nmwbHFLFRX65hAVj_LOtRHyxwMLqhxw2X-VUBPR4Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKCLKtp2N49WGjVsO8w9CE=evqsvBrdWdoooawF_Mc4UQNiqSQ@mail.gmail.com>

To be clear: if anyone wants to try Navigator's export to script behaviors
function -- work on a copy, and I'd love feedback.

On Sun, Aug 28, 2022 at 10:35 AM Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at gmail.com> wrote:

> The same applies to the code in Navigator. I wrote it about five years ago
> when I was preparing to transform Navigator itself to use script behaviors.
>
> Always work on a copy.
>
> That said, it worked fine for Navigator, and no one has ever told me it
> broke anything.
>
> gc
>
> On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 10:06 PM Pi Digital via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> I tried scriptifier and it broke stuff so just be careful with it and
>> check its output.
>>
>> Sean
>>
>>
>> > On 19 Aug 2022, at 01:39, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hey Skip, long time...
>> > I don't know if you were around when script-only-stack behaviors came
>> into
>> > being, but you can now rip all of the code out of your stacks and
>> happily
>> > use vc/git. The stacks themselves are still binary (although several of
>> us
>> > have been messing with dumping that paradigm completely, it's less
>> > practical than I would have hoped, as of today).
>> > Navigator will export every script in a project into behavior stacks,
>> and
>> > Monte wrote a stack called "Scriptifier", if memory serves. It's
>> embedded
>> > in the LC bundle, and it does the same thing, namely extracting all the
>> > scripts out of a project and putting them into .livecodescript text
>> files.
>> > Levure is great. I have used it with every project I've worked on for
>> > several years, BUT you don't have to use it to go this route.
>> >
>> >> On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 7:04 PM Martin Koob via use-livecode <
>> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hi SKIP
>> >>
>> >> Welcome back to the list!
>> >>
>> >> There is Levure which I knew of as a third party application framework
>> >> created by Trevor DeVore but I just did a search for it and I see it
>> now on
>> >> the LiveCode website described as an App Collaboration Framework.
>> >> https://livecode.com/products/livecode-platform/levure/ <
>> >> https://livecode.com/products/livecode-platform/levure/>  So it must
>> have
>> >> at some point migrated to the mother ship.
>> >>
>> >> I haven’t used it but I have considered migrating my application to it.
>> >> It works with version control systems as long as you follow its
>> >> recommendations about how to organize your code into behaviours that
>> are
>> >> stored in script only stacks which are just text files that a version
>> >> control system can read (These are somewhat new so depending on when
>> you
>> >> last used LiveCode they may be new to you.)  This was an enhancement
>> that
>> >> has enabled the use of version control for scripts in a project. It is
>> the
>> >> binary stacks that versions control systems can’t track so in Levure
>> those
>> >> are just used for user interface.
>> >>
>> >> Hope this helps.
>> >>
>> >> Martin
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> On Aug 18, 2022, at 6:38 PM, Skip Kimpel via use-livecode <
>> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Greetings!
>> >>>
>> >>> Been a while since I have been on this list.  Working on a new project
>> >> and
>> >>> wondering if the backing up of Livecode files to Github was ever
>> >>> implemented and created.  I know there was talk of it at one time.
>> >>>
>> >>> I apologize if it has been in place for a while and I am just out of
>> the
>> >>> loop.  Actually, I HOPE that is the case!
>> >>>
>> >>> Regards,
>> >>>
>> >>> SKIP
>> >>> _______________________________________________
>> >>> use-livecode mailing list
>> >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> >> subscription preferences:
>> >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> >>
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> use-livecode mailing list
>> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> >> subscription preferences:
>> >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
>> > On the second day, God created the oceans.
>> > On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>> >   and did a little diving.
>> > And God said, "This is good."
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > use-livecode mailing list
>> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> _______________________________________________
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>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>
>

From neville.smythe at optusnet.com.au  Sun Aug 28 19:04:49 2022
From: neville.smythe at optusnet.com.au (Neville Smythe)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2022 09:04:49 +1000
Subject: SVG Icon tool query
Message-ID: <2CE89FAF-15FB-4AF0-B486-CC2575B911B5@optusnet.com.au>

Many thanks to Brian for sharing the fantastic collection of icons included in this tool. Can I enquire as to the copyright status of the images?

Neville




From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Sun Aug 28 19:18:43 2022
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2022 19:18:43 -0400
Subject: SVG Icon tool query
In-Reply-To: <2CE89FAF-15FB-4AF0-B486-CC2575B911B5@optusnet.com.au>
References: <2CE89FAF-15FB-4AF0-B486-CC2575B911B5@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <CADCoycMSgQ5VGvJ=ZtA-f43t6Eao+wwUz8NoXMneWgomE1o6pQ@mail.gmail.com>

I looked at the source that Brian says he used in his repo (
https://github.com/leungwensen/svg-icon). I don't see any copyright listed
on that site, but it has all of the libraries linked to it...but then at
least the first one (Ant) doesn't seem to have any license listed anywhere,
either.

On Sun, Aug 28, 2022 at 7:06 PM Neville Smythe via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Many thanks to Brian for sharing the fantastic collection of icons
> included in this tool. Can I enquire as to the copyright status of the
> images?
>
> Neville
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>


-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."

From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Sun Aug 28 19:22:06 2022
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2022 19:22:06 -0400
Subject: Svg Icon Tool
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycMoprOFoNUNEmgr2daUN23MJ-tXxDfsxHZ1zH_OwdNn7A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <003c01d8b964$22059910$6610cb30$@net>
 <90227B15-2B5C-48FB-B695-35C440F3DAA9@milby7.com>
 <006101d8b981$94e1dee0$bea59ca0$@net>
 <CADCoycOUb1P-16JvksJM2j=91VNw4-V3_trD1otzS1F_c0tc5g@mail.gmail.com>
 <CADCoycMoprOFoNUNEmgr2daUN23MJ-tXxDfsxHZ1zH_OwdNn7A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycOvbGvREio8gyjPMJG_Qf_D8i=UjeiOq1NOOYWyNPwzbQ@mail.gmail.com>

Interesting:
Steven/LC also made a cool demo of the polyList for displaying the svg icon
families and icons that are currently in LC. It's called "SVGIconList", and
it uses a total of... 23 lines of code.

On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 4:50 PM Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com>
wrote:

> sorry - STEVEN
>
> On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 4:08 PM Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com>
> wrote:
>
>> i decided, yesterday, to go through the lcb lessons, again, because of
>> this issue (and wanting to deal with a couple of things in the iconPicker).
>> hopefully it'll be done and released before i finish the course, because
>> Stephen said that he's going to have a new version of powerButton out in
>> the morning, which will hopefully cause me to forget about this while i
>> play with that.
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 3:26 PM Ralph DiMola via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I looked at the code and an auto hilite property could be added and the
>>> hiliteing could be disabled. It would be confusing but it would be allow
>>> one to control the hilite. I'm going to try it for laughs.
>>>
>>> Ralph DiMola
>>> IT Director
>>> Evergreen Information Services
>>> rdimola at evergreeninfo.net
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On
>>> Behalf Of Brian Milby via use-livecode
>>> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2022 1:13 PM
>>> To: How to use LiveCode
>>> Cc: Brian Milby
>>> Subject: Re: Svg Icon Tool
>>>
>>> I think that if auto highlight is disabled then hiliteChanged would
>>> never get triggered.  Having the back end highlight change without it
>>> visually changing would probably lead to confusion.
>>>
>>>
>>> > On Aug 26, 2022, at 11:55 AM, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode <
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > What if the widget had a property to disable the auto hilite on click
>>> and when the hiliteChanged message arrives you can set(or not) the hilite
>>> as appropriate via setting a widget property? A pre-message would be
>>> cleaner but this is not horrible.
>>> >
>>> > Ralph DiMola
>>> > IT Director
>>> > Evergreen Information Services
>>> > rdimola at evergreeninfo.net
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>> subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>> subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
>> On the second day, God created the oceans.
>> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>>    and did a little diving.
>> And God said, "This is good."
>>
>
>
> --
> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>    and did a little diving.
> And God said, "This is good."
>


-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."

From sean at pidigital.co.uk  Sun Aug 28 21:30:15 2022
From: sean at pidigital.co.uk (Pi Digital)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2022 02:30:15 +0100
Subject: Livecode / Github
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKtp2N49WGjVsO8w9CE=evqsvBrdWdoooawF_Mc4UQNiqSQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKtp2N49WGjVsO8w9CE=evqsvBrdWdoooawF_Mc4UQNiqSQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9ECE2480-BAAB-4E8A-B97D-70F2153A91C3@pidigital.co.uk>

It will be good to see, once available, how using the new SmartCrumbs add on will help with this. All objects in JSON form and then use stack scripts (and htmlText, AudioClip and VideoClip data) in your GitHub repository. This is something I really want to start implementing. 

Sean


> On 28 Aug 2022, at 20:29, Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> To be clear: if anyone wants to try Navigator's export to script behaviors function -- work on a copy, and I'd love feedback.
> 
>> On Sun, Aug 28, 2022 at 10:35 AM Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at gmail.com> wrote:
>> The same applies to the code in Navigator. I wrote it about five years ago when I was preparing to transform Navigator itself to use script behaviors. 
>> 
>> Always work on a copy.
>> 
>> That said, it worked fine for Navigator, and no one has ever told me it broke anything.
>> 
>> gc
>> 
>>> On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 10:06 PM Pi Digital via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> I tried scriptifier and it broke stuff so just be careful with it and check its output. 
>>> 
>>> Sean
>>> 
>>> 
>>> > On 19 Aug 2022, at 01:39, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> > 
>>> > Hey Skip, long time...
>>> > I don't know if you were around when script-only-stack behaviors came into
>>> > being, but you can now rip all of the code out of your stacks and happily
>>> > use vc/git. The stacks themselves are still binary (although several of us
>>> > have been messing with dumping that paradigm completely, it's less
>>> > practical than I would have hoped, as of today).
>>> > Navigator will export every script in a project into behavior stacks, and
>>> > Monte wrote a stack called "Scriptifier", if memory serves. It's embedded
>>> > in the LC bundle, and it does the same thing, namely extracting all the
>>> > scripts out of a project and putting them into .livecodescript text files.
>>> > Levure is great. I have used it with every project I've worked on for
>>> > several years, BUT you don't have to use it to go this route.
>>> > 
>>> >> On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 7:04 PM Martin Koob via use-livecode <
>>> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> >> 
>>> >> Hi SKIP
>>> >> 
>>> >> Welcome back to the list!
>>> >> 
>>> >> There is Levure which I knew of as a third party application framework
>>> >> created by Trevor DeVore but I just did a search for it and I see it now on
>>> >> the LiveCode website described as an App Collaboration Framework.
>>> >> https://livecode.com/products/livecode-platform/levure/ <
>>> >> https://livecode.com/products/livecode-platform/levure/>  So it must have
>>> >> at some point migrated to the mother ship.
>>> >> 
>>> >> I haven’t used it but I have considered migrating my application to it.
>>> >> It works with version control systems as long as you follow its
>>> >> recommendations about how to organize your code into behaviours that are
>>> >> stored in script only stacks which are just text files that a version
>>> >> control system can read (These are somewhat new so depending on when you
>>> >> last used LiveCode they may be new to you.)  This was an enhancement that
>>> >> has enabled the use of version control for scripts in a project. It is the
>>> >> binary stacks that versions control systems can’t track so in Levure those
>>> >> are just used for user interface.
>>> >> 
>>> >> Hope this helps.
>>> >> 
>>> >> Martin
>>> >> 
>>> >> 
>>> >>> On Aug 18, 2022, at 6:38 PM, Skip Kimpel via use-livecode <
>>> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> >>> 
>>> >>> Greetings!
>>> >>> 
>>> >>> Been a while since I have been on this list.  Working on a new project
>>> >> and
>>> >>> wondering if the backing up of Livecode files to Github was ever
>>> >>> implemented and created.  I know there was talk of it at one time.
>>> >>> 
>>> >>> I apologize if it has been in place for a while and I am just out of the
>>> >>> loop.  Actually, I HOPE that is the case!
>>> >>> 
>>> >>> Regards,
>>> >>> 
>>> >>> SKIP
>>> >>> _______________________________________________
>>> >>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>> >> subscription preferences:
>>> >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>> >> 
>>> >> _______________________________________________
>>> >> use-livecode mailing list
>>> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>> >> subscription preferences:
>>> >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>> >> 
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> > -- 
>>> > On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
>>> > On the second day, God created the oceans.
>>> > On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>>> >   and did a little diving.
>>> > And God said, "This is good."
>>> > _______________________________________________
>>> > use-livecode mailing list
>>> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>>> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

From brian at milby7.com  Sun Aug 28 23:45:07 2022
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2022 23:45:07 -0400
Subject: Livecode / Github
In-Reply-To: <9ECE2480-BAAB-4E8A-B97D-70F2153A91C3@pidigital.co.uk>
References: <CAKCLKtp2N49WGjVsO8w9CE=evqsvBrdWdoooawF_Mc4UQNiqSQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <9ECE2480-BAAB-4E8A-B97D-70F2153A91C3@pidigital.co.uk>
Message-ID: <CA+yhkRZQoNx0mvuNyDVr08zeERV5W_Zg3aSbZ+=cV5AXGrtBWA@mail.gmail.com>

If you want to see what the JSON export looks like for a fairly small
stack, you can view this:
https://github.com/bwmilby/SvgIconTool/blob/main/smartcrumbs/SvgIconTool.livecode.sc/stackFileProperties.json

Unfortunately you will need to download and view it with something that
understands the CR line ending since GitHub doesn't.  That repo has both
ScriptTracker exports and SmartCrumbs exports of the stack.  The former is
designed with two things in mind:  allowing changes in the scripts that are
part of a binary stack to be tracked and allowing the editing of those
scripts in an external editor (I like Atom for the linting, have not tried
the newer option).  The latter looks to be a way to completely decompose a
stack into mostly text files (images being one exception) that can be
tracked (and in theory changes merged together I'm guessing).

Since the JSON file is keyed off of the GUIDs of each object, it really
doesn't lend itself to human inspection.  Assuming line endings are sane
(probably would work for Windows and definitely will work for Linux), Git
should easily be able to track the changes.  Whether someone could easily
discern which object was being touched is another matter (which would be
necessary to merge changes together).

On Sun, Aug 28, 2022 at 9:31 PM Pi Digital via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> It will be good to see, once available, how using the new SmartCrumbs add
> on will help with this. All objects in JSON form and then use stack scripts
> (and htmlText, AudioClip and VideoClip data) in your GitHub repository.
> This is something I really want to start implementing.
>
> Sean
>
>
> > On 28 Aug 2022, at 20:29, Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > To be clear: if anyone wants to try Navigator's export to script
> behaviors function -- work on a copy, and I'd love feedback.
> >
> >> On Sun, Aug 28, 2022 at 10:35 AM Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> The same applies to the code in Navigator. I wrote it about five years
> ago when I was preparing to transform Navigator itself to use script
> behaviors.
> >>
> >> Always work on a copy.
> >>
> >> That said, it worked fine for Navigator, and no one has ever told me it
> broke anything.
> >>
> >> gc
> >>
> >>> On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 10:06 PM Pi Digital via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>> I tried scriptifier and it broke stuff so just be careful with it and
> check its output.
> >>>
> >>> Sean
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> > On 19 Aug 2022, at 01:39, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> > Hey Skip, long time...
> >>> > I don't know if you were around when script-only-stack behaviors
> came into
> >>> > being, but you can now rip all of the code out of your stacks and
> happily
> >>> > use vc/git. The stacks themselves are still binary (although several
> of us
> >>> > have been messing with dumping that paradigm completely, it's less
> >>> > practical than I would have hoped, as of today).
> >>> > Navigator will export every script in a project into behavior
> stacks, and
> >>> > Monte wrote a stack called "Scriptifier", if memory serves. It's
> embedded
> >>> > in the LC bundle, and it does the same thing, namely extracting all
> the
> >>> > scripts out of a project and putting them into .livecodescript text
> files.
> >>> > Levure is great. I have used it with every project I've worked on for
> >>> > several years, BUT you don't have to use it to go this route.
> >>> >
> >>> >> On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 7:04 PM Martin Koob via use-livecode <
> >>> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Hi SKIP
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Welcome back to the list!
> >>> >>
> >>> >> There is Levure which I knew of as a third party application
> framework
> >>> >> created by Trevor DeVore but I just did a search for it and I see
> it now on
> >>> >> the LiveCode website described as an App Collaboration Framework.
> >>> >> https://livecode.com/products/livecode-platform/levure/ <
> >>> >> https://livecode.com/products/livecode-platform/levure/>  So it
> must have
> >>> >> at some point migrated to the mother ship.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> I haven’t used it but I have considered migrating my application to
> it.
> >>> >> It works with version control systems as long as you follow its
> >>> >> recommendations about how to organize your code into behaviours
> that are
> >>> >> stored in script only stacks which are just text files that a
> version
> >>> >> control system can read (These are somewhat new so depending on
> when you
> >>> >> last used LiveCode they may be new to you.)  This was an
> enhancement that
> >>> >> has enabled the use of version control for scripts in a project. It
> is the
> >>> >> binary stacks that versions control systems can’t track so in
> Levure those
> >>> >> are just used for user interface.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Hope this helps.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Martin
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>> On Aug 18, 2022, at 6:38 PM, Skip Kimpel via use-livecode <
> >>> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> Greetings!
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> Been a while since I have been on this list.  Working on a new
> project
> >>> >> and
> >>> >>> wondering if the backing up of Livecode files to Github was ever
> >>> >>> implemented and created.  I know there was talk of it at one time.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> I apologize if it has been in place for a while and I am just out
> of the
> >>> >>> loop.  Actually, I HOPE that is the case!
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> Regards,
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> SKIP
> >>> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> >>> use-livecode mailing list
> >>> >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >>> >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> >>> >> subscription preferences:
> >>> >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >>> >>
> >>> >> _______________________________________________
> >>> >> use-livecode mailing list
> >>> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >>> >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> >>> >> subscription preferences:
> >>> >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >>> >>
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > --
> >>> > On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> >>> > On the second day, God created the oceans.
> >>> > On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
> >>> >   and did a little diving.
> >>> > And God said, "This is good."
> >>> > _______________________________________________
> >>> > use-livecode mailing list
> >>> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >>> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> >>> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> use-livecode mailing list
> >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>

From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Mon Aug 29 09:04:57 2022
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2022 09:04:57 -0400
Subject: Livecode / Github
In-Reply-To: <CA+yhkRZQoNx0mvuNyDVr08zeERV5W_Zg3aSbZ+=cV5AXGrtBWA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKtp2N49WGjVsO8w9CE=evqsvBrdWdoooawF_Mc4UQNiqSQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <9ECE2480-BAAB-4E8A-B97D-70F2153A91C3@pidigital.co.uk>
 <CA+yhkRZQoNx0mvuNyDVr08zeERV5W_Zg3aSbZ+=cV5AXGrtBWA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycMZLiZJ9pdaKf=qmGBVQL3TyxghXtNozCdf3JZ3tQQNQA@mail.gmail.com>

I would love for us to get to a place where we could have it both ways.

On Sun, Aug 28, 2022 at 11:46 PM Brian Milby via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> If you want to see what the JSON export looks like for a fairly small
> stack, you can view this:
>
> https://github.com/bwmilby/SvgIconTool/blob/main/smartcrumbs/SvgIconTool.livecode.sc/stackFileProperties.json
>
> Unfortunately you will need to download and view it with something that
> understands the CR line ending since GitHub doesn't.  That repo has both
> ScriptTracker exports and SmartCrumbs exports of the stack.  The former is
> designed with two things in mind:  allowing changes in the scripts that are
> part of a binary stack to be tracked and allowing the editing of those
> scripts in an external editor (I like Atom for the linting, have not tried
> the newer option).  The latter looks to be a way to completely decompose a
> stack into mostly text files (images being one exception) that can be
> tracked (and in theory changes merged together I'm guessing).
>
> Since the JSON file is keyed off of the GUIDs of each object, it really
> doesn't lend itself to human inspection.  Assuming line endings are sane
> (probably would work for Windows and definitely will work for Linux), Git
> should easily be able to track the changes.  Whether someone could easily
> discern which object was being touched is another matter (which would be
> necessary to merge changes together).
>
> On Sun, Aug 28, 2022 at 9:31 PM Pi Digital via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > It will be good to see, once available, how using the new SmartCrumbs add
> > on will help with this. All objects in JSON form and then use stack
> scripts
> > (and htmlText, AudioClip and VideoClip data) in your GitHub repository.
> > This is something I really want to start implementing.
> >
> > Sean
> >
> >
> > > On 28 Aug 2022, at 20:29, Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > To be clear: if anyone wants to try Navigator's export to script
> > behaviors function -- work on a copy, and I'd love feedback.
> > >
> > >> On Sun, Aug 28, 2022 at 10:35 AM Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >> The same applies to the code in Navigator. I wrote it about five years
> > ago when I was preparing to transform Navigator itself to use script
> > behaviors.
> > >>
> > >> Always work on a copy.
> > >>
> > >> That said, it worked fine for Navigator, and no one has ever told me
> it
> > broke anything.
> > >>
> > >> gc
> > >>
> > >>> On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 10:06 PM Pi Digital via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >>> I tried scriptifier and it broke stuff so just be careful with it and
> > check its output.
> > >>>
> > >>> Sean
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> > On 19 Aug 2022, at 01:39, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >>> >
> > >>> > Hey Skip, long time...
> > >>> > I don't know if you were around when script-only-stack behaviors
> > came into
> > >>> > being, but you can now rip all of the code out of your stacks and
> > happily
> > >>> > use vc/git. The stacks themselves are still binary (although
> several
> > of us
> > >>> > have been messing with dumping that paradigm completely, it's less
> > >>> > practical than I would have hoped, as of today).
> > >>> > Navigator will export every script in a project into behavior
> > stacks, and
> > >>> > Monte wrote a stack called "Scriptifier", if memory serves. It's
> > embedded
> > >>> > in the LC bundle, and it does the same thing, namely extracting all
> > the
> > >>> > scripts out of a project and putting them into .livecodescript text
> > files.
> > >>> > Levure is great. I have used it with every project I've worked on
> for
> > >>> > several years, BUT you don't have to use it to go this route.
> > >>> >
> > >>> >> On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 7:04 PM Martin Koob via use-livecode <
> > >>> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >> Hi SKIP
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >> Welcome back to the list!
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >> There is Levure which I knew of as a third party application
> > framework
> > >>> >> created by Trevor DeVore but I just did a search for it and I see
> > it now on
> > >>> >> the LiveCode website described as an App Collaboration Framework.
> > >>> >> https://livecode.com/products/livecode-platform/levure/ <
> > >>> >> https://livecode.com/products/livecode-platform/levure/>  So it
> > must have
> > >>> >> at some point migrated to the mother ship.
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >> I haven’t used it but I have considered migrating my application
> to
> > it.
> > >>> >> It works with version control systems as long as you follow its
> > >>> >> recommendations about how to organize your code into behaviours
> > that are
> > >>> >> stored in script only stacks which are just text files that a
> > version
> > >>> >> control system can read (These are somewhat new so depending on
> > when you
> > >>> >> last used LiveCode they may be new to you.)  This was an
> > enhancement that
> > >>> >> has enabled the use of version control for scripts in a project.
> It
> > is the
> > >>> >> binary stacks that versions control systems can’t track so in
> > Levure those
> > >>> >> are just used for user interface.
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >> Hope this helps.
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >> Martin
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >>> On Aug 18, 2022, at 6:38 PM, Skip Kimpel via use-livecode <
> > >>> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >>> >>>
> > >>> >>> Greetings!
> > >>> >>>
> > >>> >>> Been a while since I have been on this list.  Working on a new
> > project
> > >>> >> and
> > >>> >>> wondering if the backing up of Livecode files to Github was ever
> > >>> >>> implemented and created.  I know there was talk of it at one
> time.
> > >>> >>>
> > >>> >>> I apologize if it has been in place for a while and I am just out
> > of the
> > >>> >>> loop.  Actually, I HOPE that is the case!
> > >>> >>>
> > >>> >>> Regards,
> > >>> >>>
> > >>> >>> SKIP
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> > >>> > --
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> > >>> > On the second day, God created the oceans.
> > >>> > On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
> > >>> >   and did a little diving.
> > >>> > And God said, "This is good."
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On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."

From gcanyon at gmail.com  Mon Aug 29 11:26:58 2022
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2022 08:26:58 -0700
Subject: BN Guides
In-Reply-To: <A70F5473-A27C-43DE-9FB0-82A46BC4176C@m-r-d.de>
References: <2B813B89-5BA5-4C48-8B36-35BBE9344B07@iotecdigital.com>
 <CAKCLKtp7xtjPORrV8vciYqf3OgZ_TTxww2Soe7my-Zk8Xi_HCA@mail.gmail.com>
 <A70F5473-A27C-43DE-9FB0-82A46BC4176C@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <CAKCLKtqrje5JDDsPS4fS9raph+ATKf08DpzvFsyYHcZak=QR5Q@mail.gmail.com>

Okay, so it looks like BN Guides works by assigning behaviors to controls
and temporarily adding controls to your stack as you drag things. I think
this is meant to be transient as you drag controls. Navigator out of the
box assumes that behaviors are what you're interested in when you
double-click to edit a script, so if BN Guides has assigned a behavior, it
opens the script BN Guides assigns as the behavior.

If I'm right and the assignment of behaviors is supposed to be the case
only while you're dragging, then simply deselecting the dragged controls
should correct this.

If there's an issue with BN Guides, or you want to be *sure* to open the
control's script, and not a behavior, you can:

1. In Navigator Preferences, you can choose what to do on double-click --
and double-click with many modifier keys. If all of your scripts are in the
actual controls, then select "Edit Script" for "Double-click" instead of
the default "
2. Right-click a command-bar and select "Edit Script" as the action for
that command bar, and then click it to edit the control's script.

At some point I considered updating the script menu to display all the
controls in the behavior chain. Anyone feel free to let me know if that's a
necessary thing.

gc

On Sun, Aug 28, 2022 at 12:06 PM matthias rebbe via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Geoff,
>
> you can find the most current version here
>
> https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=31920 <
> https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=31920>
>
>
> Regards,
> Matthias
>
>
> > Am 28.08.2022 um 19:38 schrieb Geoff Canyon via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>>:
> >
> > Where are the BN guides? I'd be curious to see how this is happening. As
> I
> > recall, Navigator is designed to dive through whatever behaviors are set
> > regardless of how deep the rabbit hole goes to find the actual behavior,
> > but I haven't looked at that part of the code in years.
> >
> > gc
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 8:26 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Who wrote BN Guides? Very cool, but there is a conflict with Navigator.
> >> When I double-click an object in Navigator to open it's script, I get t
> he
> >> BNGuides script instead.
> >>
> >> Bob S
> >>
> >>
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From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Mon Aug 29 13:29:37 2022
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2022 10:29:37 -0700
Subject: Livecode / Github
In-Reply-To: <CA+yhkRZQoNx0mvuNyDVr08zeERV5W_Zg3aSbZ+=cV5AXGrtBWA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKtp2N49WGjVsO8w9CE=evqsvBrdWdoooawF_Mc4UQNiqSQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <9ECE2480-BAAB-4E8A-B97D-70F2153A91C3@pidigital.co.uk>
 <CA+yhkRZQoNx0mvuNyDVr08zeERV5W_Zg3aSbZ+=cV5AXGrtBWA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <baf29a07-23e8-bab7-ddf1-1c0ed366dcf6@sonic.net>

On 8/28/22 20:45, Brian Milby via use-livecode wrote:
> If you want to see what the JSON export looks like for a fairly small
> stack, you can view this:
> https://github.com/bwmilby/SvgIconTool/blob/main/smartcrumbs/SvgIconTool.livecode.sc/stackFileProperties.json
> 
> Unfortunately you will need to download and view it with something that
> understands the CR line ending since GitHub doesn't.  That repo has both
> ScriptTracker exports and SmartCrumbs exports of the stack.  The former is
> designed with two things in mind:  allowing changes in the scripts that are
> part of a binary stack to be tracked and allowing the editing of those
> scripts in an external editor (I like Atom for the linting, have not tried
> the newer option).  The latter looks to be a way to completely decompose a
> stack into mostly text files (images being one exception) that can be
> tracked (and in theory changes merged together I'm guessing).

OK - I just tried out smartcrumbs to check it out. Not quite sure what's 
going on here. Outsmarted by smartcrumbs.

According to the lesson you just drag this onto a stack.
Nope.
Click the "Export Stack" button.
Stack flickers.
Did anything happen?
According to the dictionary there's an scGetPathLog().
Maybe that will give me a clue.
/My LiveCode/SmartCrumbsVCW/logs//2022-08-29
Eh?
What's this "/My LiveCode" thing? I don't have one of those.
And why is it trying to store that off my root directory?
Let's try that one again.
"Recursion limit reached"
I'll try scExportStack from the message box.
It gives "can't find handler"

OK - back to real work.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com


From brian at milby7.com  Mon Aug 29 13:53:26 2022
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2022 13:53:26 -0400
Subject: Livecode / Github
In-Reply-To: <baf29a07-23e8-bab7-ddf1-1c0ed366dcf6@sonic.net>
References: <CAKCLKtp2N49WGjVsO8w9CE=evqsvBrdWdoooawF_Mc4UQNiqSQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <9ECE2480-BAAB-4E8A-B97D-70F2153A91C3@pidigital.co.uk>
 <CA+yhkRZQoNx0mvuNyDVr08zeERV5W_Zg3aSbZ+=cV5AXGrtBWA@mail.gmail.com>
 <baf29a07-23e8-bab7-ddf1-1c0ed366dcf6@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <CA+yhkRa9uKH3JSkiHKg33JcFbk=JkmCW6oSh8=YMz+s6xEq7tA@mail.gmail.com>

I used Magic Palette to do the export.  It should create the folder
structure next to the stack file that was the topstack in the IDE.
I have not looked at the lesson though.

On Mon, Aug 29, 2022 at 1:31 PM Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> On 8/28/22 20:45, Brian Milby via use-livecode wrote:
> > If you want to see what the JSON export looks like for a fairly small
> > stack, you can view this:
> >
> https://github.com/bwmilby/SvgIconTool/blob/main/smartcrumbs/SvgIconTool.livecode.sc/stackFileProperties.json
> >
> > Unfortunately you will need to download and view it with something that
> > understands the CR line ending since GitHub doesn't.  That repo has both
> > ScriptTracker exports and SmartCrumbs exports of the stack.  The former
> is
> > designed with two things in mind:  allowing changes in the scripts that
> are
> > part of a binary stack to be tracked and allowing the editing of those
> > scripts in an external editor (I like Atom for the linting, have not
> tried
> > the newer option).  The latter looks to be a way to completely decompose
> a
> > stack into mostly text files (images being one exception) that can be
> > tracked (and in theory changes merged together I'm guessing).
>
> OK - I just tried out smartcrumbs to check it out. Not quite sure what's
> going on here. Outsmarted by smartcrumbs.
>
> According to the lesson you just drag this onto a stack.
> Nope.
> Click the "Export Stack" button.
> Stack flickers.
> Did anything happen?
> According to the dictionary there's an scGetPathLog().
> Maybe that will give me a clue.
> /My LiveCode/SmartCrumbsVCW/logs//2022-08-29
> Eh?
> What's this "/My LiveCode" thing? I don't have one of those.
> And why is it trying to store that off my root directory?
> Let's try that one again.
> "Recursion limit reached"
> I'll try scExportStack from the message box.
> It gives "can't find handler"
>
> OK - back to real work.
>
> --
>   Mark Wieder
>   ahsoftware at gmail.com
>
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From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Mon Aug 29 15:06:24 2022
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2022 12:06:24 -0700
Subject: Livecode / Github
In-Reply-To: <CA+yhkRa9uKH3JSkiHKg33JcFbk=JkmCW6oSh8=YMz+s6xEq7tA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKtp2N49WGjVsO8w9CE=evqsvBrdWdoooawF_Mc4UQNiqSQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <9ECE2480-BAAB-4E8A-B97D-70F2153A91C3@pidigital.co.uk>
 <CA+yhkRZQoNx0mvuNyDVr08zeERV5W_Zg3aSbZ+=cV5AXGrtBWA@mail.gmail.com>
 <baf29a07-23e8-bab7-ddf1-1c0ed366dcf6@sonic.net>
 <CA+yhkRa9uKH3JSkiHKg33JcFbk=JkmCW6oSh8=YMz+s6xEq7tA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8b549acf-8e33-a468-d7e8-3c1fa6ce7c34@sonic.net>

On 8/29/22 10:53, Brian Milby via use-livecode wrote:
> I used Magic Palette to do the export.  It should create the folder
> structure next to the stack file that was the topstack in the IDE.

Ah. OK - So I had to look up the filename of the stack first.
Would have been nice if the nonexistent log file told me that.

> I have not looked at the lesson though.

Not missing anything there.
I've just been going by the dictionary entries.
But now I've opened the guide.md file and see more, although the 
formatting is wonky. Gotta love the fact that the TOC entry is 
"Unknown". Looks like it was rushed out the door.

-- 
-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com


From sean at pidigital.co.uk  Mon Aug 29 15:22:31 2022
From: sean at pidigital.co.uk (Pi Digital)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2022 20:22:31 +0100
Subject: Livecode / Github
In-Reply-To: <8b549acf-8e33-a468-d7e8-3c1fa6ce7c34@sonic.net>
References: <8b549acf-8e33-a468-d7e8-3c1fa6ce7c34@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <69E24074-BEF2-4381-B2CC-82CC370A0322@pidigital.co.uk>

Look at the guide in the guide section of the dictionary app. It formats okay (although I’m going through and rewriting the grammar to send for an update).

Thanks Brian for the heads up on MagicPallet. I hadn’t looked to see what that was for yet. It’s all early stages yet but it’s looking very promising. 

Sean Cole
Pi Digital Productions Ltd

eMail Ts & Cs


> On 29 Aug 2022, at 20:06, Mark Wieder via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> On 8/29/22 10:53, Brian Milby via use-livecode wrote:
>> I used Magic Palette to do the export.  It should create the folder
>> structure next to the stack file that was the topstack in the IDE.
> 
> Ah. OK - So I had to look up the filename of the stack first.
> Would have been nice if the nonexistent log file told me that.
> 
>> I have not looked at the lesson though.
> 
> Not missing anything there.
> I've just been going by the dictionary entries.
> But now I've opened the guide.md file and see more, although the formatting is wonky. Gotta love the fact that the TOC entry is "Unknown". Looks like it was rushed out the door.
> 
> -- 
> -- 
> Mark Wieder
> ahsoftware at gmail.com
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From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Mon Aug 29 15:37:02 2022
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2022 12:37:02 -0700
Subject: Livecode / Github
In-Reply-To: <69E24074-BEF2-4381-B2CC-82CC370A0322@pidigital.co.uk>
References: <8b549acf-8e33-a468-d7e8-3c1fa6ce7c34@sonic.net>
 <69E24074-BEF2-4381-B2CC-82CC370A0322@pidigital.co.uk>
Message-ID: <8dcbb283-4907-b69a-5e89-46cfb451fb81@sonic.net>

On 8/29/22 12:22, Pi Digital via use-livecode wrote:
> Look at the guide in the guide section of the dictionary app. It formats okay (although Im going through and rewriting the grammar to send for an update).

Thanks, Sean. Yeah - that does format much better in a browser.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com


From gregg.podnar at gmail.com  Mon Aug 29 16:38:26 2022
From: gregg.podnar at gmail.com (Gregg)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2022 16:38:26 -0400
Subject: Why is Livecode not on this list?
Message-ID: <BC5AD0B3-D712-4166-B2C9-20CB592469DE@gmail.com>

https://spectrum.ieee.org/top-programming-languages-2022

From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Aug 29 16:51:16 2022
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2022 13:51:16 -0700
Subject: BN Guides
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKtqrje5JDDsPS4fS9raph+ATKf08DpzvFsyYHcZak=QR5Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKtqrje5JDDsPS4fS9raph+ATKf08DpzvFsyYHcZak=QR5Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c90166f7-f87d-cb6b-8f94-e44e6ca9abcd@fourthworld.com>

Geoff Canyon wrote:

 > Okay, so it looks like BN Guides works by assigning behaviors to
 > controls and temporarily adding controls to your stack as you drag
 > things. I think this is meant to be transient as you drag controls.

Instinctively I'd be inclined to try a frontscript before something as 
intrusive as altering an object's behavior property for something this 
transient.

But Bernd does good work, so I'm curious: why this approach and not a 
frontScript?

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Aug 29 16:55:36 2022
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2022 13:55:36 -0700
Subject: Why is Livecode not on this list?
In-Reply-To: <BC5AD0B3-D712-4166-B2C9-20CB592469DE@gmail.com>
References: <BC5AD0B3-D712-4166-B2C9-20CB592469DE@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9da4504f-ba77-e5c3-4dff-35520079e94d@fourthworld.com>

Gregg wrote:

 > https://spectrum.ieee.org/top-programming-languages-2022

Demand.

Their methodology note explains it's based on job listings. When was the 
last time you saw a job posting for LC skills?

It's also a short list (50?).

This one ranks by usage, listing the hundred most popular, where LC has 
only been in the top 50 a few times over the years I've been tracking 
it, but is often in the bottom 50 (out of hundreds of languages not so bad):

https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Mon Aug 29 17:15:04 2022
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2022 22:15:04 +0100
Subject: Why is Livecode not on this list?
In-Reply-To: <9da4504f-ba77-e5c3-4dff-35520079e94d@fourthworld.com>
References: <BC5AD0B3-D712-4166-B2C9-20CB592469DE@gmail.com>
 <9da4504f-ba77-e5c3-4dff-35520079e94d@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <CAL3fwtgFgf6nnHYJ728UWwvBnQ+jkHx2KiFp-9Ud7Q87yP4qUg@mail.gmail.com>

Personally, My 'take' on LiveCode is that, generally, it is ideal for
boutique programming, for specific free-standing applications.

It is also excellent for teaching children programming concepts in a
relatively digestable way without dumbing programming down in the way
block-coding efforts such as Scratch do.

As such, there will always be very few advertisements for LiveCode
programmers.

That should not, in any way, devalue LiveCode.

On Mon, 29 Aug 2022, 21:56 Richard Gaskin via use-livecode, <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Gregg wrote:
>
>  > https://spectrum.ieee.org/top-programming-languages-2022
>
> Demand.
>
> Their methodology note explains it's based on job listings. When was the
> last time you saw a job posting for LC skills?
>
> It's also a short list (50?).
>
> This one ranks by usage, listing the hundred most popular, where LC has
> only been in the top 50 a few times over the years I've been tracking
> it, but is often in the bottom 50 (out of hundreds of languages not so
> bad):
>
> https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/
>
> --
>   Richard Gaskin
>   Fourth World Systems
>
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From paul at researchware.com  Mon Aug 29 17:36:01 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2022 17:36:01 -0400
Subject: the script of <object> with line numbers?
Message-ID: <fbf457bd-ade4-bb22-8b27-4e1ca2e0ebd9@researchware.com>

Is there a way (an existing function or command in the language or IDE) 
to get the script of an object WITH the line numbers as you see them in 
the IDE script editor?

OR

Do I just have to do something like:

put the script of tObject into tScript
repeat with i=1 to the number of lines in tScript
   put i &space before line i of tScript
end repeat

Any secret IDE or LCS knowledge welcome. Thank you in advance.




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Aug 29 17:50:53 2022
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2022 16:50:53 -0500
Subject: the script of <object> with line numbers?
In-Reply-To: <fbf457bd-ade4-bb22-8b27-4e1ca2e0ebd9@researchware.com>
References: <fbf457bd-ade4-bb22-8b27-4e1ca2e0ebd9@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <5a84a1e9-7623-3a12-1bd1-8a69f8029b05@hyperactivesw.com>

On 8/29/22 4:36 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
> Is there a way (an existing function or command in the language or IDE) to get the script of an 
> object WITH the line numbers as you see them in the IDE script editor?
> 
> OR
> 
> Do I just have to do something like:
> 
> put the script of tObject into tScript
> repeat with i=1 to the number of lines in tScript
>    put i &space before line i of tScript
> end repeat
> 
> Any secret IDE or LCS knowledge welcome. Thank you in advance.

How about:

   get the script of <object>
   split it by cr
   combine it by cr and tab
   sort it numeric



-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com

From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Aug 29 17:55:00 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2022 21:55:00 +0000
Subject: the script of <object> with line numbers?
In-Reply-To: <5a84a1e9-7623-3a12-1bd1-8a69f8029b05@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <fbf457bd-ade4-bb22-8b27-4e1ca2e0ebd9@researchware.com>
 <5a84a1e9-7623-3a12-1bd1-8a69f8029b05@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <DCC04082-3726-4630-9585-B819B6B69F51@iotecdigital.com>

Maybe marginally better:

...
sort it by word 1 of each

Bob S


On Aug 29, 2022, at 14:50 , J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com<mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:

On 8/29/22 4:36 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
Is there a way (an existing function or command in the language or IDE) to get the script of an object WITH the line numbers as you see them in the IDE script editor?
OR
Do I just have to do something like:
put the script of tObject into tScript
repeat with i=1 to the number of lines in tScript
  put i &space before line i of tScript
end repeat
Any secret IDE or LCS knowledge welcome. Thank you in advance.

How about:

 get the script of <object>
 split it by cr
 combine it by cr and tab
 sort it numeric



--
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com<mailto:jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com<http://www.hyperactivesw.com/>


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Aug 29 17:55:42 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2022 21:55:42 +0000
Subject: the script of <object> with line numbers?
In-Reply-To: <DCC04082-3726-4630-9585-B819B6B69F51@iotecdigital.com>
References: <fbf457bd-ade4-bb22-8b27-4e1ca2e0ebd9@researchware.com>
 <5a84a1e9-7623-3a12-1bd1-8a69f8029b05@hyperactivesw.com>
 <DCC04082-3726-4630-9585-B819B6B69F51@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <94DD7BBC-C054-4B62-AEE6-9757D2C9750F@iotecdigital.com>

Correction:

sort it numeric by word 1 of each

Bob S


On Aug 29, 2022, at 14:55 , Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com<mailto:bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com>> wrote:

Maybe marginally better:

...
sort it by word 1 of each

Bob S


On Aug 29, 2022, at 14:50 , J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com<mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:

On 8/29/22 4:36 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
Is there a way (an existing function or command in the language or IDE) to get the script of an object WITH the line numbers as you see them in the IDE script editor?
OR
Do I just have to do something like:
put the script of tObject into tScript
repeat with i=1 to the number of lines in tScript
  put i &space before line i of tScript
end repeat
Any secret IDE or LCS knowledge welcome. Thank you in advance.

How about:

 get the script of <object>
 split it by cr
 combine it by cr and tab
 sort it numeric



--
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com<mailto:jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com<http://www.hyperactivesw.com/>



From Bernd.Niggemann at uni-wh.de  Mon Aug 29 18:25:29 2022
From: Bernd.Niggemann at uni-wh.de (Niggemann, Bernd)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2022 22:25:29 +0000
Subject: BN Guides
Message-ID: <3160207C-1B51-4F13-818C-1DDDD0F8D9ED@uni-wh.de>

> Richard Gaskin via use-livecode Mon, 29 Aug 2022 13:53:13 -0700
> 
> Geoff Canyon wrote:
> 
> > Okay, so it looks like BN Guides works by assigning behaviors to
> > controls and temporarily adding controls to your stack as you drag
> > things. I think this is meant to be transient as you drag controls.
> 
> Instinctively I'd be inclined to try a frontscript before something as intrusive as altering an object's behavior property for something this transient.
> 
> But Bernd does good work, so I'm curious: why this approach and not a frontScript?

Actually I was experimenting and wanted to use behaviors dynamically at the time when I wrote this. A proof of principle if you want. It worked surprisingly well.
That is why I sticked to behaviors. After fixing some edge cases it even removes the behaviors correctly...
At the time there were no guides available for LC.

But as of LC 10 Guidelines will be part of the IDE and that looks and works really well. (LC uses a backScript)

Kind regards
Bernd

From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Mon Aug 29 18:58:41 2022
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2022 15:58:41 -0700
Subject: the script of <object> with line numbers?
In-Reply-To: <fbf457bd-ade4-bb22-8b27-4e1ca2e0ebd9@researchware.com>
References: <fbf457bd-ade4-bb22-8b27-4e1ca2e0ebd9@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <5674863c-d58b-e35a-3cce-94e2dccef55a@sonic.net>

On 8/29/22 14:36, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
> Is there a way (an existing function or command in the language or IDE) 
> to get the script of an object WITH the line numbers as you see them in 
> the IDE script editor?

While some clever solutions have been posted, I gotta ask WHY?

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Aug 29 19:10:27 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2022 23:10:27 +0000
Subject: the script of <object> with line numbers?
In-Reply-To: <5674863c-d58b-e35a-3cce-94e2dccef55a@sonic.net>
References: <fbf457bd-ade4-bb22-8b27-4e1ca2e0ebd9@researchware.com>
 <5674863c-d58b-e35a-3cce-94e2dccef55a@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <937A8FE2-4A88-495F-AE16-8466665E3956@iotecdigital.com>

That question always reminds me of Mathesar when he discoveres that Commander Peter Quincy Taggert has been lying all along. :-)

Bob S


On Aug 29, 2022, at 15:58 , Mark Wieder via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com<mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:

On 8/29/22 14:36, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
Is there a way (an existing function or command in the language or IDE) to get the script of an object WITH the line numbers as you see them in the IDE script editor?

While some clever solutions have been posted, I gotta ask WHY?

--
Mark Wieder
ahsoftware at gmail.com<mailto:ahsoftware at gmail.com>


From paul at researchware.com  Mon Aug 29 19:11:09 2022
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2022 19:11:09 -0400
Subject: the script of <object> with line numbers?
In-Reply-To: <5674863c-d58b-e35a-3cce-94e2dccef55a@sonic.net>
References: <fbf457bd-ade4-bb22-8b27-4e1ca2e0ebd9@researchware.com>
 <5674863c-d58b-e35a-3cce-94e2dccef55a@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <79897272-c615-c15c-854f-4d89f257c14d@researchware.com>

On 8/29/2022 6:58 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:
> On 8/29/22 14:36, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
>> Is there a way (an existing function or command in the language or 
>> IDE) to get the script of an object WITH the line numbers as you see 
>> them in the IDE script editor?
>
> While some clever solutions have been posted, I gotta ask WHY?
>

In our applications, we trap the script error dialog and replace the 
default with our own. That dialog lets customers send the 
executionContexts and some other debugging information to us to report 
an error (if one gets by quality/beta testing).

So we get the executionContext that say "error such and such occurred at 
line 342 of some handler". The line number is the line of the whole 
script the handler is in.

When we et the message and log the problem in our instance of Bugzilla, 
one of the 1st things is to look at the script and see what the line of 
code references actually says.

It could reduce a trouble should step to include the line numbers 
programmatically in the error report.

No a huge priority in the scheme of things, but a "nice to have" sort of 
thing. Does that answer the "why?"



From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Aug 29 19:18:34 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2022 23:18:34 +0000
Subject: the script of <object> with line numbers?
In-Reply-To: <79897272-c615-c15c-854f-4d89f257c14d@researchware.com>
References: <fbf457bd-ade4-bb22-8b27-4e1ca2e0ebd9@researchware.com>
 <5674863c-d58b-e35a-3cce-94e2dccef55a@sonic.net>
 <79897272-c615-c15c-854f-4d89f257c14d@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <72224209-4337-4747-A52B-AA2DF2B5EBB3@iotecdigital.com>

As long as Mathesar is happy, I'm happy.

Bob S


On Aug 29, 2022, at 16:11 , Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com<mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:

No a huge priority in the scheme of things, but a "nice to have" sort of thing. Does that answer the "why?"


From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Mon Aug 29 19:19:40 2022
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2022 16:19:40 -0700
Subject: the script of <object> with line numbers?
In-Reply-To: <79897272-c615-c15c-854f-4d89f257c14d@researchware.com>
References: <fbf457bd-ade4-bb22-8b27-4e1ca2e0ebd9@researchware.com>
 <5674863c-d58b-e35a-3cce-94e2dccef55a@sonic.net>
 <79897272-c615-c15c-854f-4d89f257c14d@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <d1c8cae0-2aa3-3563-5276-69855210bbdc@sonic.net>

On 8/29/22 16:11, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:

> It could reduce a trouble should step to include the line numbers 
> programmatically in the error report.
> 
> No a huge priority in the scheme of things, but a "nice to have" sort of 
> thing. Does that answer the "why?"

Somewhat. If you already have the line number from the error message, 
why not just grab that line of script? Or preface it with the line 
number you already have in your possession?

But I find that the executionContexts gives me more information than 
just where the error occurred, since the actual problem may be farther 
up the line and it's only the end symptom that triggers the error.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com


From Bernd.Niggemann at uni-wh.de  Mon Aug 29 19:22:19 2022
From: Bernd.Niggemann at uni-wh.de (Niggemann, Bernd)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2022 23:22:19 +0000
Subject: BN Guides
Message-ID: <0CFB84B5-71D9-4F2D-AE86-67356B005FD8@uni-wh.de>

> Richard Gaskin via use-livecode Mon, 29 Aug 2022 13:53:13 -0700
> so I'm curious: why this approach and not a frontScript?

I thought about why I used behaviors a little more.
What intrigued me was the idea that via a behavior a control was made aware of its neighbours. Be it a group or a control it knew where all the other objects were. Even dragged them along when needed.
And it worked semi autonomously with a little help from "the owner of this me".

I think that was my main fascination when using behaviors. It was a change of perspective from the central perspective to a decentralised perspective.


Kind regards
Bernd

From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Aug 29 19:38:28 2022
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2022 16:38:28 -0700
Subject: Why is Livecode not on this list?
In-Reply-To: <CAL3fwtgFgf6nnHYJ728UWwvBnQ+jkHx2KiFp-9Ud7Q87yP4qUg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAL3fwtgFgf6nnHYJ728UWwvBnQ+jkHx2KiFp-9Ud7Q87yP4qUg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9aa11f8f-1ba8-98de-1a9f-76277220a8d7@fourthworld.com>

Richmond Mathewson wrote:

 > As such, there will always be very few advertisements for LiveCode
 > programmers.

But still many good stories to tell. And apparently LC Ltd just hired a 
new Brand & Digital Marketing Lead, so I imagine we'll see those stories 
told.

https://twitter.com/happymaan/status/1562801044132085762

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems


From sean at pidigital.co.uk  Mon Aug 29 23:49:21 2022
From: sean at pidigital.co.uk (Pi Digital)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2022 04:49:21 +0100
Subject: the script of <object> with line numbers?
In-Reply-To: <79897272-c615-c15c-854f-4d89f257c14d@researchware.com>
References: <79897272-c615-c15c-854f-4d89f257c14d@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <33A58CE1-30FF-4A10-8237-EF0F2C8949E2@pidigital.co.uk>

Using The earlier example, you could use

put theErrorLineNum into tLineNum
put the script of stack “myScript” into tScript
split tScript using cr
logError tLineNum, tScript[tLineNum]

Or something like that. 

Sean


>>> Is there a way (an existing function or command in the language or IDE) to get the script of an object WITH the line numbers as you see them in the IDE script editor?
>> 
>> While some clever solutions have been posted, I gotta ask WHY?
>> 
> 
> In our applications, we trap the script error dialog and replace the default with our own. That dialog lets customers send the executionContexts and some other debugging information to us to report an error (if one gets by quality/beta testing).
> 
> So we get the executionContext that say "error such and such occurred at line 342 of some handler". The line number is the line of the whole script the handler is in.
> 
> When we et the message and log the problem in our instance of Bugzilla, one of the 1st things is to look at the script and see what the line of code references actually says.
> 
> It could reduce a trouble should step to include the line numbers programmatically in the error report.

From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Aug 30 01:14:05 2022
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2022 22:14:05 -0700
Subject: the script of <object> with line numbers?
In-Reply-To: <33A58CE1-30FF-4A10-8237-EF0F2C8949E2@pidigital.co.uk>
References: <33A58CE1-30FF-4A10-8237-EF0F2C8949E2@pidigital.co.uk>
Message-ID: <92952525-1fdf-6f86-3e09-9daf297eca3e@fourthworld.com>

Another option: Automate it, replacing Bugzilla's web UI with LC

Mod Ken Ray's RevZilla to retrieve support emails, reformat them however 
needed, tuck them in the DB, integrate the report display with things 
like double-clicking a line in the executtionContexts to open scripts, etc.

http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/livecode/downloads/RevZilla2.htm

One-stop shopping for a fully integrated software support system.

A similar approach could be used with Nextcloud's Deck APIs, or a wide 
range of other issue tracking systems, even Github.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems



From gcanyon at gmail.com  Tue Aug 30 03:45:04 2022
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2022 00:45:04 -0700
Subject: BN Guides
In-Reply-To: <c90166f7-f87d-cb6b-8f94-e44e6ca9abcd@fourthworld.com>
References: <CAKCLKtqrje5JDDsPS4fS9raph+ATKf08DpzvFsyYHcZak=QR5Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <c90166f7-f87d-cb6b-8f94-e44e6ca9abcd@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <CAKCLKtrWZQkmz5H039WVGU4w-o9PGvHyOXzu19JaQVumz779zQ@mail.gmail.com>

He's also throwing controls into the stack to show guides for the
alignment, and then disposing of those. So maybe in for a penny?

If I were doing something like this I think I'd try:

1. A frontscript, as you say, or just setting up to receive IDE messages --
pretty sure there's an objectMoved IDE message or something like it.
2. Using stacks with the shape set as guides.

But maybe my idea is out of date or impractical in some way. I experimented
with some sort of auto-alignment code a long time ago. I have no memory of
how far I got with it.

gc

On Mon, Aug 29, 2022 at 1:52 PM Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Geoff Canyon wrote:
>
>  > Okay, so it looks like BN Guides works by assigning behaviors to
>  > controls and temporarily adding controls to your stack as you drag
>  > things. I think this is meant to be transient as you drag controls.
>
> Instinctively I'd be inclined to try a frontscript before something as
> intrusive as altering an object's behavior property for something this
> transient.
>
> But Bernd does good work, so I'm curious: why this approach and not a
> frontScript?
>
> --
>   Richard Gaskin
>   Fourth World Systems
>
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Aug 30 13:42:52 2022
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2022 10:42:52 -0700
Subject: BN Guides
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKtrWZQkmz5H039WVGU4w-o9PGvHyOXzu19JaQVumz779zQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKtrWZQkmz5H039WVGU4w-o9PGvHyOXzu19JaQVumz779zQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b7063486-1767-af68-4b0f-44f9a7b8ac88@fourthworld.com>

I've fantasized about being able to paint directly to the window buffer 
without using an object, but having done that in C back in the day I 
enjoy the conveniences scripted objects bring.

Your stack suggestion is intriguing, but how does it work in practice?

I find the systemic overhead of dynamically reinstantiating windows to 
fit a changing shape makes things a bit less smooth than I'd prefer.

Or are you suggesting a separate stack for each guide line?  That would 
keep the performance up, but seems tedious to write.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems




Geoff Canyon wrote:
> He's also throwing controls into the stack to show guides for the
> alignment, and then disposing of those. So maybe in for a penny?
> 
> If I were doing something like this I think I'd try:
> 
> 1. A frontscript, as you say, or just setting up to receive IDE messages --
> pretty sure there's an objectMoved IDE message or something like it.
> 2. Using stacks with the shape set as guides.
> 
> But maybe my idea is out of date or impractical in some way. I experimented
> with some sort of auto-alignment code a long time ago. I have no memory of
> how far I got with it.
> 
> gc
> 
> On Mon, Aug 29, 2022 at 1:52 PM Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> Geoff Canyon wrote:
>>
>>  > Okay, so it looks like BN Guides works by assigning behaviors to
>>  > controls and temporarily adding controls to your stack as you drag
>>  > things. I think this is meant to be transient as you drag controls.
>>
>> Instinctively I'd be inclined to try a frontscript before something as
>> intrusive as altering an object's behavior property for something this
>> transient.
>>
>> But Bernd does good work, so I'm curious: why this approach and not a
>> frontScript?
>>
>> --
>>   Richard Gaskin
>>   Fourth World Systems



From gcanyon at gmail.com  Tue Aug 30 17:27:13 2022
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2022 14:27:13 -0700
Subject: BN Guides
In-Reply-To: <b7063486-1767-af68-4b0f-44f9a7b8ac88@fourthworld.com>
References: <b7063486-1767-af68-4b0f-44f9a7b8ac88@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <393ACC2F-9B6C-4FBE-9318-2B3E9C106F2B@gmail.com>

15(?) years ago I wrote an app that bounced a bunch of balls across the screen. Each was a shaped-stack. It has no trouble being pretty smooth even with twenty or so stacks, as I recall. It would be more than enough for guides, especially with the 100x hardware we have today. 

Positioning a stack is as simple as positioning a control, but for any translations to/from global coordinates. 

gc

> On Aug 30, 2022, at 10:44 AM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I've fantasized about being able to paint directly to the window buffer without using an object, but having done that in C back in the day I enjoy the conveniences scripted objects bring.
> 
> Your stack suggestion is intriguing, but how does it work in practice?
> 
> I find the systemic overhead of dynamically reinstantiating windows to fit a changing shape makes things a bit less smooth than I'd prefer.
> 
> Or are you suggesting a separate stack for each guide line?  That would keep the performance up, but seems tedious to write.
> 
> -- 
> Richard Gaskin
> Fourth World Systems
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Geoff Canyon wrote:
>> He's also throwing controls into the stack to show guides for the
>> alignment, and then disposing of those. So maybe in for a penny?
>> If I were doing something like this I think I'd try:
>> 1. A frontscript, as you say, or just setting up to receive IDE messages --
>> pretty sure there's an objectMoved IDE message or something like it.
>> 2. Using stacks with the shape set as guides.
>> But maybe my idea is out of date or impractical in some way. I experimented
>> with some sort of auto-alignment code a long time ago. I have no memory of
>> how far I got with it.
>> gc
>>> On Mon, Aug 29, 2022 at 1:52 PM Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> Geoff Canyon wrote:
>>> 
>>> > Okay, so it looks like BN Guides works by assigning behaviors to
>>> > controls and temporarily adding controls to your stack as you drag
>>> > things. I think this is meant to be transient as you drag controls.
>>> 
>>> Instinctively I'd be inclined to try a frontscript before something as
>>> intrusive as altering an object's behavior property for something this
>>> transient.
>>> 
>>> But Bernd does good work, so I'm curious: why this approach and not a
>>> frontScript?
>>> 
>>> --
>>>  Richard Gaskin
>>>  Fourth World Systems
> 
> 
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From gcanyon at gmail.com  Tue Aug 30 17:30:36 2022
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2022 14:30:36 -0700
Subject: lcb missing manual
In-Reply-To: <33692627-5f0a-25ff-c4a8-5664e460a7cb@sonic.net>
References: <33692627-5f0a-25ff-c4a8-5664e460a7cb@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <816C27F1-2EFD-47F9-A507-46245A41158A@gmail.com>

Is there a page that discusses the pros of LCB? I looked and didn’t find it. 

I’m thinking of a simple list (I’m making this up because I didn’t find the page)

 — N times faster execution than LCS
 — interface with code libraries using simple hooks
 — bundle code and graphics together into widgets

More?

gc

> On Aug 28, 2022, at 11:27 AM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> On 8/28/22 11:06, Mike Kerner wrote:
>> the lcb documentation, especially in the api widget is ungreat.
>> the good news is that as long as there is an oss repo version of LC, you can hunt for some of the information that is missing. AND, at least for now, you can still find much of it in the LC application
>> example: as i was hunting, i found a bunch of editors, but none of them seem to be documented anywhere obvious.
> 
> Yep - I find most of my documentation by digging.
> 
> The lack of colornames just bit me earlier this week and I had to backpedal and code a list of a dozen color names as "R,G,B". Even the "#FFFFFF" format isn't accepted.
> 
> -- 
> Mark Wieder
> ahsoftware at gmail.com
> 
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From brian at milby7.com  Tue Aug 30 17:56:57 2022
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2022 17:56:57 -0400
Subject: lcb missing manual
In-Reply-To: <816C27F1-2EFD-47F9-A507-46245A41158A@gmail.com>
References: <816C27F1-2EFD-47F9-A507-46245A41158A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <69F805E3-DF6D-4403-BE3E-84CAB718344B@milby7.com>

LCB has been slower than LCS, but the advantage is that you can easily link to much faster compiler code.  I’m not sure if that has changed any… I could pull out some code from a while back where we were doing some speed tests.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 30, 2022, at 5:31 PM, Geoff Canyon via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Is there a page that discusses the pros of LCB? I looked and didn’t find it. 
> 
> I’m thinking of a simple list (I’m making this up because I didn’t find the page)
> 
> — N times faster execution than LCS
> — interface with code libraries using simple hooks
> — bundle code and graphics together into widgets
> 
> More?
> 
> gc
> 
>>> On Aug 28, 2022, at 11:27 AM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 8/28/22 11:06, Mike Kerner wrote:
>>> the lcb documentation, especially in the api widget is ungreat.
>>> the good news is that as long as there is an oss repo version of LC, you can hunt for some of the information that is missing. AND, at least for now, you can still find much of it in the LC application
>>> example: as i was hunting, i found a bunch of editors, but none of them seem to be documented anywhere obvious.
>> 
>> Yep - I find most of my documentation by digging.
>> 
>> The lack of colornames just bit me earlier this week and I had to backpedal and code a list of a dozen color names as "R,G,B". Even the "#FFFFFF" format isn't accepted.
>> 
>> -- 
>> Mark Wieder
>> ahsoftware at gmail.com
>> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Aug 30 19:12:47 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2022 23:12:47 +0000
Subject: Standardize Font Appearance
Message-ID: <16B11823-3348-421C-95A3-A8CF2A7170CA@iotecdigital.com>

Hi all. 

I'm at the point now where I want to clean up the appearance of all my projects across all platforms. For instance, I have a Time Calculator stack that calculates total time for any number of start/stop/lunch entries. I have heretofore left my field and label fonts at the default, which for MacOS is <whateveritis>. But when I create a standalone for Windows, the size of that text is larger, and so any labels I have overflow the label and only show me part of the text. 

What I want to do is set up my environment so that whatever font I use in the MacOS uses, there is an identical font on the Windows side as well. I know there is a way to embed fonts in a project, but I don't really understand how that works. 

If I use a font that exists in both Mac and Windows, a common web font for instance, they do not look at all the same on both platforms. Verdana is a good example. I am not averse to purchasing a font family or two and statically setting my font, size and style for every object, so long as the Windows and MacOS look (reasonably) the same. 

Any ideas? 

Bob S



From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Aug 30 19:20:34 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2022 23:20:34 +0000
Subject: Standardize Font Appearance
In-Reply-To: <16B11823-3348-421C-95A3-A8CF2A7170CA@iotecdigital.com>
References: <16B11823-3348-421C-95A3-A8CF2A7170CA@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <B92C5423-EF23-4CD6-9DF1-5E147B7BC359@iotecdigital.com>

Hmmm spoke to soon. I see Start Using Font in the dictionary. I'll explore.

Bob S


On Aug 30, 2022, at 16:12 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com<mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:

Hi all.

I'm at the point now where I want to clean up the appearance of all my projects across all platforms. For instance, I have a Time Calculator stack that calculates total time for any number of start/stop/lunch entries. I have heretofore left my field and label fonts at the default, which for MacOS is <whateveritis>. But when I create a standalone for Windows, the size of that text is larger, and so any labels I have overflow the label and only show me part of the text.

What I want to do is set up my environment so that whatever font I use in the MacOS uses, there is an identical font on the Windows side as well. I know there is a way to embed fonts in a project, but I don't really understand how that works.

If I use a font that exists in both Mac and Windows, a common web font for instance, they do not look at all the same on both platforms. Verdana is a good example. I am not averse to purchasing a font family or two and statically setting my font, size and style for every object, so long as the Windows and MacOS look (reasonably) the same.

Any ideas?

Bob S


From tom at makeshyft.com  Tue Aug 30 20:36:51 2022
From: tom at makeshyft.com (Tom Glod)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2022 20:36:51 -0400
Subject: Standardize Font Appearance
In-Reply-To: <B92C5423-EF23-4CD6-9DF1-5E147B7BC359@iotecdigital.com>
References: <16B11823-3348-421C-95A3-A8CF2A7170CA@iotecdigital.com>
 <B92C5423-EF23-4CD6-9DF1-5E147B7BC359@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CAPzQJLJpWyBoQq718sCaWPtRTEa8WDNpERbZMj_kjWqo+h1XDw@mail.gmail.com>

THe only way to do this is to use google's web fonts and ship them with
your project. It works well.
To save you the trouble, Android requires the fonts to be in a "fonts"
folder in the root folder of your projects.
Or at least its what I read somewhere in the forums.

Cheers Bob

On Tue, Aug 30, 2022 at 7:21 PM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hmmm spoke to soon. I see Start Using Font in the dictionary. I'll explore.
>
> Bob S
>
>
> On Aug 30, 2022, at 16:12 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com<mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>>
> wrote:
>
> Hi all.
>
> I'm at the point now where I want to clean up the appearance of all my
> projects across all platforms. For instance, I have a Time Calculator stack
> that calculates total time for any number of start/stop/lunch entries. I
> have heretofore left my field and label fonts at the default, which for
> MacOS is <whateveritis>. But when I create a standalone for Windows, the
> size of that text is larger, and so any labels I have overflow the label
> and only show me part of the text.
>
> What I want to do is set up my environment so that whatever font I use in
> the MacOS uses, there is an identical font on the Windows side as well. I
> know there is a way to embed fonts in a project, but I don't really
> understand how that works.
>
> If I use a font that exists in both Mac and Windows, a common web font for
> instance, they do not look at all the same on both platforms. Verdana is a
> good example. I am not averse to purchasing a font family or two and
> statically setting my font, size and style for every object, so long as the
> Windows and MacOS look (reasonably) the same.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Bob S
>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Aug 30 21:55:30 2022
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2022 20:55:30 -0500
Subject: Standardize Font Appearance
In-Reply-To: <CAPzQJLJpWyBoQq718sCaWPtRTEa8WDNpERbZMj_kjWqo+h1XDw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <16B11823-3348-421C-95A3-A8CF2A7170CA@iotecdigital.com>
 <B92C5423-EF23-4CD6-9DF1-5E147B7BC359@iotecdigital.com>
 <CAPzQJLJpWyBoQq718sCaWPtRTEa8WDNpERbZMj_kjWqo+h1XDw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <182f19c5250.27a5.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>

I have an Android app that uses a custom font. I just dropped the ttf file 
into the Copy Files pane of standalone settings and issued "start using 
font file" in a preOpenStack handler. Seems to work fine. Easy too.

--
Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
On August 30, 2022 7:39:19 PM Tom Glod via use-livecode 
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> THe only way to do this is to use google's web fonts and ship them with
> your project. It works well.
> To save you the trouble, Android requires the fonts to be in a "fonts"
> folder in the root folder of your projects.
> Or at least its what I read somewhere in the forums.
>
> Cheers Bob
>
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2022 at 7:21 PM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> Hmmm spoke to soon. I see Start Using Font in the dictionary. I'll explore.
>>
>> Bob S
>>
>>
>> On Aug 30, 2022, at 16:12 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com<mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all.
>>
>> I'm at the point now where I want to clean up the appearance of all my
>> projects across all platforms. For instance, I have a Time Calculator stack
>> that calculates total time for any number of start/stop/lunch entries. I
>> have heretofore left my field and label fonts at the default, which for
>> MacOS is <whateveritis>. But when I create a standalone for Windows, the
>> size of that text is larger, and so any labels I have overflow the label
>> and only show me part of the text.
>>
>> What I want to do is set up my environment so that whatever font I use in
>> the MacOS uses, there is an identical font on the Windows side as well. I
>> know there is a way to embed fonts in a project, but I don't really
>> understand how that works.
>>
>> If I use a font that exists in both Mac and Windows, a common web font for
>> instance, they do not look at all the same on both platforms. Verdana is a
>> good example. I am not averse to purchasing a font family or two and
>> statically setting my font, size and style for every object, so long as the
>> Windows and MacOS look (reasonably) the same.
>>
>> Any ideas?
>>
>> Bob S
>>
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>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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>> subscription preferences:
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From sean at pidigital.co.uk  Tue Aug 30 22:02:50 2022
From: sean at pidigital.co.uk (Sean Cole)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2022 03:02:50 +0100
Subject: Livecode / Github
In-Reply-To: <8b549acf-8e33-a468-d7e8-3c1fa6ce7c34@sonic.net>
References: <CAKCLKtp2N49WGjVsO8w9CE=evqsvBrdWdoooawF_Mc4UQNiqSQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <9ECE2480-BAAB-4E8A-B97D-70F2153A91C3@pidigital.co.uk>
 <CA+yhkRZQoNx0mvuNyDVr08zeERV5W_Zg3aSbZ+=cV5AXGrtBWA@mail.gmail.com>
 <baf29a07-23e8-bab7-ddf1-1c0ed366dcf6@sonic.net>
 <CA+yhkRa9uKH3JSkiHKg33JcFbk=JkmCW6oSh8=YMz+s6xEq7tA@mail.gmail.com>
 <8b549acf-8e33-a468-d7e8-3c1fa6ce7c34@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <CABRqQSQHwRdvYpzc1Oe9gMM9nTkFh25uuWzQtbWMnVTu=GhGnw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Mark,

When you said this, how did you use it to get it to work? I'm getting the
same issues as you were.

Thanks
Sean

On Mon, 29 Aug 2022 at 20:06, Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

>
> Ah. OK - So I had to look up the filename of the stack first.
>
>

From sean at pidigital.co.uk  Tue Aug 30 22:36:06 2022
From: sean at pidigital.co.uk (Sean Cole)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2022 03:36:06 +0100
Subject: Livecode / Github
In-Reply-To: <CABRqQSQHwRdvYpzc1Oe9gMM9nTkFh25uuWzQtbWMnVTu=GhGnw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKtp2N49WGjVsO8w9CE=evqsvBrdWdoooawF_Mc4UQNiqSQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <9ECE2480-BAAB-4E8A-B97D-70F2153A91C3@pidigital.co.uk>
 <CA+yhkRZQoNx0mvuNyDVr08zeERV5W_Zg3aSbZ+=cV5AXGrtBWA@mail.gmail.com>
 <baf29a07-23e8-bab7-ddf1-1c0ed366dcf6@sonic.net>
 <CA+yhkRa9uKH3JSkiHKg33JcFbk=JkmCW6oSh8=YMz+s6xEq7tA@mail.gmail.com>
 <8b549acf-8e33-a468-d7e8-3c1fa6ce7c34@sonic.net>
 <CABRqQSQHwRdvYpzc1Oe9gMM9nTkFh25uuWzQtbWMnVTu=GhGnw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABRqQSQ=V95NnEQ18f=d3foU8RRTL7SaOZ5FcPwG=0hzaW=xbA@mail.gmail.com>

Don't worry, it was password protected. I thought it had managed to remove
the protection but the script I ran to remove it from the 97 stacks didn;t
do it properly. So I did it again and then needed to restart LC first for
it to fully recognise the protection removed. All good now. MainStack
exported (it's massive so it took some time). just another 96 stacks to go.
Looks like I'll set up an automation script.

Sean Cole
*Pi Digital Productions Ltd*
www.pidigital.co.uk
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+44(7702)116447

'Don't try to think outside the box. Just remember the truth: There is no
box!'
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but it is yourself!'

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Productions Ltd is a UK registered limited company, no. 5255609


On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 at 03:02, Sean Cole <sean at pidigital.co.uk> wrote:

> Hi Mark,
>
> When you said this, how did you use it to get it to work? I'm getting the
> same issues as you were.
>
> Thanks
> Sean
>
> On Mon, 29 Aug 2022 at 20:06, Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Ah. OK - So I had to look up the filename of the stack first.
>>
>>

From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Tue Aug 30 23:05:16 2022
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2022 20:05:16 -0700
Subject: Livecode / Github
In-Reply-To: <CABRqQSQ=V95NnEQ18f=d3foU8RRTL7SaOZ5FcPwG=0hzaW=xbA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKtp2N49WGjVsO8w9CE=evqsvBrdWdoooawF_Mc4UQNiqSQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <9ECE2480-BAAB-4E8A-B97D-70F2153A91C3@pidigital.co.uk>
 <CA+yhkRZQoNx0mvuNyDVr08zeERV5W_Zg3aSbZ+=cV5AXGrtBWA@mail.gmail.com>
 <baf29a07-23e8-bab7-ddf1-1c0ed366dcf6@sonic.net>
 <CA+yhkRa9uKH3JSkiHKg33JcFbk=JkmCW6oSh8=YMz+s6xEq7tA@mail.gmail.com>
 <8b549acf-8e33-a468-d7e8-3c1fa6ce7c34@sonic.net>
 <CABRqQSQHwRdvYpzc1Oe9gMM9nTkFh25uuWzQtbWMnVTu=GhGnw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CABRqQSQ=V95NnEQ18f=d3foU8RRTL7SaOZ5FcPwG=0hzaW=xbA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56eb98b4-b369-aefa-54d3-eb12f220b87c@sonic.net>

On 8/30/22 19:36, Sean Cole via use-livecode wrote:
> just another 96 stacks to go.
> Looks like I'll set up an automation script.

Ouch! I think the library would do well to check the password status and 
allow entering and cacheing the password as necessary. Too bad it's 
closed source so we can't fix it.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com


From sean at pidigital.co.uk  Wed Aug 31 06:00:41 2022
From: sean at pidigital.co.uk (Sean Cole)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2022 11:00:41 +0100
Subject: Livecode / Github
In-Reply-To: <56eb98b4-b369-aefa-54d3-eb12f220b87c@sonic.net>
References: <CAKCLKtp2N49WGjVsO8w9CE=evqsvBrdWdoooawF_Mc4UQNiqSQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <9ECE2480-BAAB-4E8A-B97D-70F2153A91C3@pidigital.co.uk>
 <CA+yhkRZQoNx0mvuNyDVr08zeERV5W_Zg3aSbZ+=cV5AXGrtBWA@mail.gmail.com>
 <baf29a07-23e8-bab7-ddf1-1c0ed366dcf6@sonic.net>
 <CA+yhkRa9uKH3JSkiHKg33JcFbk=JkmCW6oSh8=YMz+s6xEq7tA@mail.gmail.com>
 <8b549acf-8e33-a468-d7e8-3c1fa6ce7c34@sonic.net>
 <CABRqQSQHwRdvYpzc1Oe9gMM9nTkFh25uuWzQtbWMnVTu=GhGnw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CABRqQSQ=V95NnEQ18f=d3foU8RRTL7SaOZ5FcPwG=0hzaW=xbA@mail.gmail.com>
 <56eb98b4-b369-aefa-54d3-eb12f220b87c@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <CABRqQSSPCCtg1o6MOfyMHta+O1vvOAsJc7JQCHVzLdEgVZU7gQ@mail.gmail.com>

Well, I had to leave it overnight to finish exporting as it was clear to
take some time. This was for just the main stack, not my long list of
stacks. Looking at the message box this morning, though, has a response

Message execution error:
Error description: Object: object does not have this property
Hint:

'Object does not have this property' ?? What property? Thanks LC for giving
me all the information I need to fix it [shrugs]. It hasn't created the
JSON file in the main .sc folder so it must have abandoned the operation at
some point.

I'll give it another go now after a reset and to another faster drive to
see if that improves things but with no other info to go on I have no idea
what needs to be done.

LC Team: :-) It would be REALLY handy if proper errors were thrown when one
occurs that can help us easily understand what the issues are. Also, if
prior to release documentation were gone through to make sure they are
legible. And if plugins released actually work as described. :-)

Sean


On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 at 04:05, Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> On 8/30/22 19:36, Sean Cole via use-livecode wrote:
> > just another 96 stacks to go.
> > Looks like I'll set up an automation script.
>
> Ouch! I think the library would do well to check the password status and
> allow entering and cacheing the password as necessary. Too bad it's
> closed source so we can't fix it.
>
> --
>   Mark Wieder
>   ahsoftware at gmail.com
>
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From brian at milby7.com  Wed Aug 31 08:46:51 2022
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2022 08:46:51 -0400
Subject: Livecode / Github
In-Reply-To: <CABRqQSSPCCtg1o6MOfyMHta+O1vvOAsJc7JQCHVzLdEgVZU7gQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABRqQSSPCCtg1o6MOfyMHta+O1vvOAsJc7JQCHVzLdEgVZU7gQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6E98ACFE-F3E6-4C26-A1A7-57E9F139FAF5@milby7.com>

Had it created any of the script or other objects?  Curious whether it builds the JSON first or if it is done while exporting the other assets.

Thanks,
Brian

> On Aug 31, 2022, at 6:02 AM, Sean Cole via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Well, I had to leave it overnight to finish exporting as it was clear to
> take some time. This was for just the main stack, not my long list of
> stacks. Looking at the message box this morning, though, has a response
> 
> Message execution error:
> Error description: Object: object does not have this property
> Hint:
> 
> 'Object does not have this property' ?? What property? Thanks LC for giving
> me all the information I need to fix it [shrugs]. It hasn't created the
> JSON file in the main .sc folder so it must have abandoned the operation at
> some point.
> 
> I'll give it another go now after a reset and to another faster drive to
> see if that improves things but with no other info to go on I have no idea
> what needs to be done.
> 
> LC Team: :-) It would be REALLY handy if proper errors were thrown when one
> occurs that can help us easily understand what the issues are. Also, if
> prior to release documentation were gone through to make sure they are
> legible. And if plugins released actually work as described. :-)
> 
> Sean
> 
> 
>> On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 at 04:05, Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 8/30/22 19:36, Sean Cole via use-livecode wrote:
>>> just another 96 stacks to go.
>>> Looks like I'll set up an automation script.
>> 
>> Ouch! I think the library would do well to check the password status and
>> allow entering and cacheing the password as necessary. Too bad it's
>> closed source so we can't fix it.
>> 
>> --
>>  Mark Wieder
>>  ahsoftware at gmail.com
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
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From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Wed Aug 31 08:53:09 2022
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2022 08:53:09 -0400
Subject: lcb missing manual
In-Reply-To: <69F805E3-DF6D-4403-BE3E-84CAB718344B@milby7.com>
References: <816C27F1-2EFD-47F9-A507-46245A41158A@gmail.com>
 <69F805E3-DF6D-4403-BE3E-84CAB718344B@milby7.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycPXd64uwtce1RFz5r+mVXaKN0t5wLh217=7bfChs5ryvw@mail.gmail.com>

It would be interesting if lcb was slower, since it's supposed to be
lower-level.
The demo that Steven did, demonstrating the speed of populating a polyGrid
(lcb widget) vs. a dataGrid (lcs group) was that it was much, much faster.

On Tue, Aug 30, 2022 at 5:58 PM Brian Milby via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> LCB has been slower than LCS, but the advantage is that you can easily
> link to much faster compiler code.  I’m not sure if that has changed any… I
> could pull out some code from a while back where we were doing some speed
> tests.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Aug 30, 2022, at 5:31 PM, Geoff Canyon via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Is there a page that discusses the pros of LCB? I looked and didn’t
> find it.
> >
> > I’m thinking of a simple list (I’m making this up because I didn’t find
> the page)
> >
> > — N times faster execution than LCS
> > — interface with code libraries using simple hooks
> > — bundle code and graphics together into widgets
> >
> > More?
> >
> > gc
> >
> >>> On Aug 28, 2022, at 11:27 AM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On 8/28/22 11:06, Mike Kerner wrote:
> >>> the lcb documentation, especially in the api widget is ungreat.
> >>> the good news is that as long as there is an oss repo version of LC,
> you can hunt for some of the information that is missing. AND, at least for
> now, you can still find much of it in the LC application
> >>> example: as i was hunting, i found a bunch of editors, but none of
> them seem to be documented anywhere obvious.
> >>
> >> Yep - I find most of my documentation by digging.
> >>
> >> The lack of colornames just bit me earlier this week and I had to
> backpedal and code a list of a dozen color names as "R,G,B". Even the
> "#FFFFFF" format isn't accepted.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Mark Wieder
> >> ahsoftware at gmail.com
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> use-livecode mailing list
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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From sean at pidigital.co.uk  Wed Aug 31 10:26:15 2022
From: sean at pidigital.co.uk (Sean Cole)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2022 15:26:15 +0100
Subject: lcb missing manual
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycPXd64uwtce1RFz5r+mVXaKN0t5wLh217=7bfChs5ryvw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <816C27F1-2EFD-47F9-A507-46245A41158A@gmail.com>
 <69F805E3-DF6D-4403-BE3E-84CAB718344B@milby7.com>
 <CADCoycPXd64uwtce1RFz5r+mVXaKN0t5wLh217=7bfChs5ryvw@mail.gmail.com>
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The subject of the dictionary has long been one of contention. One that I
have often spoken up and been shouted down about (nb, I'm not making
accusations or flames :) ). But I also understand the great amount of
resources this would take to produce decent, up to date guides and
indices of all the terms and libraries. LC's become quite the behemoth and
I doubt any one individual could carry it out. Indeed, even a bunch of us
during past HacktoberFests only achieved a percentage of it.

The AI thing Kevin showed us some time ago showed promise. But I'm not sure
how far off that is from seeing the light of day. Hopefully soon if I
haven't already missed it. But, even so, a lot of the examples, language
and syntax are out of date or incomplete so would still need some work.

As someone who eats manuals and dictionaries for brunch I'd love to be part
of the team to put it together as I have in the past. But I guess it would
depend on LCL having the resources to put into it. I would hope they see it
as important as we do.

All the best

On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 at 13:53, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> It would be interesting if lcb was slower, since it's supposed to be
> lower-level.
> The demo that Steven did, demonstrating the speed of populating a polyGrid
> (lcb widget) vs. a dataGrid (lcs group) was that it was much, much faster.
>
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2022 at 5:58 PM Brian Milby via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > LCB has been slower than LCS, but the advantage is that you can easily
> > link to much faster compiler code.  I’m not sure if that has changed
> any… I
> > could pull out some code from a while back where we were doing some speed
> > tests.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Aug 30, 2022, at 5:31 PM, Geoff Canyon via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Is there a page that discusses the pros of LCB? I looked and didn’t
> > find it.
> > >
> > > I’m thinking of a simple list (I’m making this up because I didn’t find
> > the page)
> > >
> > > — N times faster execution than LCS
> > > — interface with code libraries using simple hooks
> > > — bundle code and graphics together into widgets
> > >
> > > More?
> > >
> > > gc
> > >
> > >>> On Aug 28, 2022, at 11:27 AM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> On 8/28/22 11:06, Mike Kerner wrote:
> > >>> the lcb documentation, especially in the api widget is ungreat.
> > >>> the good news is that as long as there is an oss repo version of LC,
> > you can hunt for some of the information that is missing. AND, at least
> for
> > now, you can still find much of it in the LC application
> > >>> example: as i was hunting, i found a bunch of editors, but none of
> > them seem to be documented anywhere obvious.
> > >>
> > >> Yep - I find most of my documentation by digging.
> > >>
> > >> The lack of colornames just bit me earlier this week and I had to
> > backpedal and code a list of a dozen color names as "R,G,B". Even the
> > "#FFFFFF" format isn't accepted.
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Mark Wieder
> > >> ahsoftware at gmail.com
> > >>
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> use-livecode mailing list
> > >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > subscription preferences:
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> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
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From sean at pidigital.co.uk  Wed Aug 31 10:33:03 2022
From: sean at pidigital.co.uk (Pi Digital)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2022 15:33:03 +0100
Subject: Livecode / Github
In-Reply-To: <6E98ACFE-F3E6-4C26-A1A7-57E9F139FAF5@milby7.com>
References: <6E98ACFE-F3E6-4C26-A1A7-57E9F139FAF5@milby7.com>
Message-ID: <FC11F008-9D8C-453C-8AF3-F8B2DFC04011@pidigital.co.uk>

It created a smartcrumbs folder which contained 1 .livecode.sc folder which contained 3 subfolders, medias, scripts and shareTexts. medias contained 1 images folder with 2,325 jpeg files. The scripts folder contained 22,006 livecodescript files. The sharedTexts folders contained 7,352 GUID ref’d folders with one or more html files as well as 7,462 separate html files. And that is all. 

Having tried again using the Export button from the magicPallet (which, because of the delay between pressing the button and it actually exporting, should have a spinner or something to show its working on it) I get the same result but this time with nothing in the message box or any log file. 

I’ll try again but from the message box. The guide definitely says it will create a json file in each .livecode.sc folder that contains information about other objects and substacks. It doesn’t say we need to export each substack individually. But the json file should hold info about all the other stuff as well. We’ll see. 

Sean Cole
Pi Digital Productions Ltd

eMail Ts & Cs


> On 31 Aug 2022, at 13:46, Brian Milby via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Had it created any of the script or other objects?  Curious whether it builds the JSON first or if it is done while exporting the other assets.
> 
> Thanks,
> Brian
> 
>> On Aug 31, 2022, at 6:02 AM, Sean Cole via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Well, I had to leave it overnight to finish exporting as it was clear to
>> take some time. This was for just the main stack, not my long list of
>> stacks. Looking at the message box this morning, though, has a response
>> 
>> Message execution error:
>> Error description: Object: object does not have this property
>> Hint:
>> 
>> 'Object does not have this property' ?? What property? Thanks LC for giving
>> me all the information I need to fix it [shrugs]. It hasn't created the
>> JSON file in the main .sc folder so it must have abandoned the operation at
>> some point.
>> 
>> I'll give it another go now after a reset and to another faster drive to
>> see if that improves things but with no other info to go on I have no idea
>> what needs to be done.
>> 
>> LC Team: :-) It would be REALLY handy if proper errors were thrown when one
>> occurs that can help us easily understand what the issues are. Also, if
>> prior to release documentation were gone through to make sure they are
>> legible. And if plugins released actually work as described. :-)
>> 
>> Sean
>> 
>> 
>>> On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 at 04:05, Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>>> On 8/30/22 19:36, Sean Cole via use-livecode wrote:
>>>>> just another 96 stacks to go.
>>>>> Looks like I'll set up an automation script.
>>> 
>>> Ouch! I think the library would do well to check the password status and
>>> allow entering and cacheing the password as necessary. Too bad it's
>>> closed source so we can't fix it.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Mark Wieder
>>> ahsoftware at gmail.com
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>> subscription preferences:
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From brian at milby7.com  Wed Aug 31 10:37:08 2022
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2022 10:37:08 -0400
Subject: Livecode / Github
In-Reply-To: <FC11F008-9D8C-453C-8AF3-F8B2DFC04011@pidigital.co.uk>
References: <FC11F008-9D8C-453C-8AF3-F8B2DFC04011@pidigital.co.uk>
Message-ID: <1F9327AF-F7BC-45B5-87B8-5E3463CBA5DF@milby7.com>

I’ll run it on my much smaller ScriptTracker stack (which has a couple substacks) and report my findings.

Brian Milby
brian at milby7.com

> On Aug 31, 2022, at 10:34 AM, Pi Digital via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> It created a smartcrumbs folder which contained 1 .livecode.sc folder which contained 3 subfolders, medias, scripts and shareTexts. medias contained 1 images folder with 2,325 jpeg files. The scripts folder contained 22,006 livecodescript files. The sharedTexts folders contained 7,352 GUID ref’d folders with one or more html files as well as 7,462 separate html files. And that is all. 
> 
> Having tried again using the Export button from the magicPallet (which, because of the delay between pressing the button and it actually exporting, should have a spinner or something to show its working on it) I get the same result but this time with nothing in the message box or any log file. 
> 
> I’ll try again but from the message box. The guide definitely says it will create a json file in each .livecode.sc folder that contains information about other objects and substacks. It doesn’t say we need to export each substack individually. But the json file should hold info about all the other stuff as well. We’ll see. 
> 
> Sean Cole
> Pi Digital Productions Ltd
> 
> eMail Ts & Cs
> 
> 
>> On 31 Aug 2022, at 13:46, Brian Milby via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Had it created any of the script or other objects?  Curious whether it builds the JSON first or if it is done while exporting the other assets.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Brian
>> 
>>>> On Aug 31, 2022, at 6:02 AM, Sean Cole via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well, I had to leave it overnight to finish exporting as it was clear to
>>> take some time. This was for just the main stack, not my long list of
>>> stacks. Looking at the message box this morning, though, has a response
>>> 
>>> Message execution error:
>>> Error description: Object: object does not have this property
>>> Hint:
>>> 
>>> 'Object does not have this property' ?? What property? Thanks LC for giving
>>> me all the information I need to fix it [shrugs]. It hasn't created the
>>> JSON file in the main .sc folder so it must have abandoned the operation at
>>> some point.
>>> 
>>> I'll give it another go now after a reset and to another faster drive to
>>> see if that improves things but with no other info to go on I have no idea
>>> what needs to be done.
>>> 
>>> LC Team: :-) It would be REALLY handy if proper errors were thrown when one
>>> occurs that can help us easily understand what the issues are. Also, if
>>> prior to release documentation were gone through to make sure they are
>>> legible. And if plugins released actually work as described. :-)
>>> 
>>> Sean
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 at 04:05, Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>>> On 8/30/22 19:36, Sean Cole via use-livecode wrote:
>>>>>> just another 96 stacks to go.
>>>>>> Looks like I'll set up an automation script.
>>>> 
>>>> Ouch! I think the library would do well to check the password status and
>>>> allow entering and cacheing the password as necessary. Too bad it's
>>>> closed source so we can't fix it.
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> Mark Wieder
>>>> ahsoftware at gmail.com
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>>> subscription preferences:
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From brian at milby7.com  Wed Aug 31 10:48:02 2022
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2022 10:48:02 -0400
Subject: Livecode / Github
In-Reply-To: <1F9327AF-F7BC-45B5-87B8-5E3463CBA5DF@milby7.com>
References: <1F9327AF-F7BC-45B5-87B8-5E3463CBA5DF@milby7.com>
Message-ID: <92124E94-C009-409F-8EA2-745C8B502C36@milby7.com>

https://github.com/bwmilby/scriptTracker

It appears that the JSON file does include all substacks.

Brian Milby
brian at milby7.com

> On Aug 31, 2022, at 10:37 AM, Brian Milby <brian at milby7.com> wrote:
> 
> I’ll run it on my much smaller ScriptTracker stack (which has a couple substacks) and report my findings.
> 
> Brian Milby
> brian at milby7.com
> 
>> On Aug 31, 2022, at 10:34 AM, Pi Digital via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> It created a smartcrumbs folder which contained 1 .livecode.sc folder which contained 3 subfolders, medias, scripts and shareTexts. medias contained 1 images folder with 2,325 jpeg files. The scripts folder contained 22,006 livecodescript files. The sharedTexts folders contained 7,352 GUID ref’d folders with one or more html files as well as 7,462 separate html files. And that is all. 
>> 
>> Having tried again using the Export button from the magicPallet (which, because of the delay between pressing the button and it actually exporting, should have a spinner or something to show its working on it) I get the same result but this time with nothing in the message box or any log file. 
>> 
>> I’ll try again but from the message box. The guide definitely says it will create a json file in each .livecode.sc folder that contains information about other objects and substacks. It doesn’t say we need to export each substack individually. But the json file should hold info about all the other stuff as well. We’ll see. 
>> 
>> Sean Cole
>> Pi Digital Productions Ltd
>> 
>> eMail Ts & Cs
>> 
>> 
>>>> On 31 Aug 2022, at 13:46, Brian Milby via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Had it created any of the script or other objects?  Curious whether it builds the JSON first or if it is done while exporting the other assets.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Brian
>>> 
>>>>> On Aug 31, 2022, at 6:02 AM, Sean Cole via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Well, I had to leave it overnight to finish exporting as it was clear to
>>>> take some time. This was for just the main stack, not my long list of
>>>> stacks. Looking at the message box this morning, though, has a response
>>>> 
>>>> Message execution error:
>>>> Error description: Object: object does not have this property
>>>> Hint:
>>>> 
>>>> 'Object does not have this property' ?? What property? Thanks LC for giving
>>>> me all the information I need to fix it [shrugs]. It hasn't created the
>>>> JSON file in the main .sc folder so it must have abandoned the operation at
>>>> some point.
>>>> 
>>>> I'll give it another go now after a reset and to another faster drive to
>>>> see if that improves things but with no other info to go on I have no idea
>>>> what needs to be done.
>>>> 
>>>> LC Team: :-) It would be REALLY handy if proper errors were thrown when one
>>>> occurs that can help us easily understand what the issues are. Also, if
>>>> prior to release documentation were gone through to make sure they are
>>>> legible. And if plugins released actually work as described. :-)
>>>> 
>>>> Sean
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 at 04:05, Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 8/30/22 19:36, Sean Cole via use-livecode wrote:
>>>>>>> just another 96 stacks to go.
>>>>>>> Looks like I'll set up an automation script.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ouch! I think the library would do well to check the password status and
>>>>> allow entering and cacheing the password as necessary. Too bad it's
>>>>> closed source so we can't fix it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> Mark Wieder
>>>>> ahsoftware at gmail.com
>>>>> 
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>>>> subscription preferences:
>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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From sean at pidigital.co.uk  Wed Aug 31 10:58:01 2022
From: sean at pidigital.co.uk (Sean Cole)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2022 15:58:01 +0100
Subject: Livecode / Github
In-Reply-To: <92124E94-C009-409F-8EA2-745C8B502C36@milby7.com>
References: <1F9327AF-F7BC-45B5-87B8-5E3463CBA5DF@milby7.com>
 <92124E94-C009-409F-8EA2-745C8B502C36@milby7.com>
Message-ID: <CABRqQSR=i0-u-9ApSA0uRUvEYu4TjqV-NUCAPxWBV+60L47o+w@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for the confirmation, Brian.

I tried again from the message box. With a stack this large it takes about
10 seconds before the mainStack disappears for exporting and then reappears
1 min later. About 4-8 mins after that it truely finishes where it flashes
up a white window for a moment then the error appears in the message box,
same as before, object does not have this property. Because everything is
handled using a GUID, I have no idea how far it has got nor which
particular object is causing the problem. We'll find it eventually, I'm
certain.

Sean

On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 at 15:48, Brian Milby via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> https://github.com/bwmilby/scriptTracker
>
> It appears that the JSON file does include all substacks.
>
> Brian Milby
> brian at milby7.com
>
> > On Aug 31, 2022, at 10:37 AM, Brian Milby <brian at milby7.com> wrote:
> >
> > I’ll run it on my much smaller ScriptTracker stack (which has a couple
> substacks) and report my findings.
> >
> > Brian Milby
> > brian at milby7.com
> >
> >> On Aug 31, 2022, at 10:34 AM, Pi Digital via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> It created a smartcrumbs folder which contained 1 .livecode.sc folder
> which contained 3 subfolders, medias, scripts and shareTexts. medias
> contained 1 images folder with 2,325 jpeg files. The scripts folder
> contained 22,006 livecodescript files. The sharedTexts folders contained
> 7,352 GUID ref’d folders with one or more html files as well as 7,462
> separate html files. And that is all.
> >>
> >> Having tried again using the Export button from the magicPallet (which,
> because of the delay between pressing the button and it actually exporting,
> should have a spinner or something to show its working on it) I get the
> same result but this time with nothing in the message box or any log file.
> >>
> >> I’ll try again but from the message box. The guide definitely says it
> will create a json file in each .livecode.sc folder that contains
> information about other objects and substacks. It doesn’t say we need to
> export each substack individually. But the json file should hold info about
> all the other stuff as well. We’ll see.
> >>
> >> Sean Cole
> >> Pi Digital Productions Ltd
> >>
> >> eMail Ts & Cs
> >>
> >>
> >>>> On 31 Aug 2022, at 13:46, Brian Milby via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Had it created any of the script or other objects?  Curious whether
> it builds the JSON first or if it is done while exporting the other assets.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Brian
> >>>
> >>>>> On Aug 31, 2022, at 6:02 AM, Sean Cole via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Well, I had to leave it overnight to finish exporting as it was
> clear to
> >>>> take some time. This was for just the main stack, not my long list of
> >>>> stacks. Looking at the message box this morning, though, has a
> response
> >>>>
> >>>> Message execution error:
> >>>> Error description: Object: object does not have this property
> >>>> Hint:
> >>>>
> >>>> 'Object does not have this property' ?? What property? Thanks LC for
> giving
> >>>> me all the information I need to fix it [shrugs]. It hasn't created
> the
> >>>> JSON file in the main .sc folder so it must have abandoned the
> operation at
> >>>> some point.
> >>>>
> >>>> I'll give it another go now after a reset and to another faster drive
> to
> >>>> see if that improves things but with no other info to go on I have no
> idea
> >>>> what needs to be done.
> >>>>
> >>>> LC Team: :-) It would be REALLY handy if proper errors were thrown
> when one
> >>>> occurs that can help us easily understand what the issues are. Also,
> if
> >>>> prior to release documentation were gone through to make sure they are
> >>>> legible. And if plugins released actually work as described. :-)
> >>>>
> >>>> Sean
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 at 04:05, Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
> >>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> On 8/30/22 19:36, Sean Cole via use-livecode wrote:
> >>>>>>> just another 96 stacks to go.
> >>>>>>> Looks like I'll set up an automation script.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Ouch! I think the library would do well to check the password status
> and
> >>>>> allow entering and cacheing the password as necessary. Too bad it's
> >>>>> closed source so we can't fix it.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Mark Wieder
> >>>>> ahsoftware at gmail.com
> >>>>>
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Aug 31 11:17:59 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2022 15:17:59 +0000
Subject: Standardize Font Appearance
In-Reply-To: <CAPzQJLJpWyBoQq718sCaWPtRTEa8WDNpERbZMj_kjWqo+h1XDw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <16B11823-3348-421C-95A3-A8CF2A7170CA@iotecdigital.com>
 <B92C5423-EF23-4CD6-9DF1-5E147B7BC359@iotecdigital.com>
 <CAPzQJLJpWyBoQq718sCaWPtRTEa8WDNpERbZMj_kjWqo+h1XDw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5C7E50AF-B53A-4ED6-AD7B-2841FBE4A9CD@iotecdigital.com>

Great idea! I looked for a download link for the fonts, but all I can find are github links to the source code (I don't want to have to build out all the fonts if that's what that is) and other sources for font downloaders and synchs. Is there anywhere I can just download the OTF files? 

Bob S


> On Aug 30, 2022, at 17:36 , Tom Glod via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> THe only way to do this is to use google's web fonts and ship them with
> your project. It works well.
> To save you the trouble, Android requires the fonts to be in a "fonts"
> folder in the root folder of your projects.
> Or at least its what I read somewhere in the forums.
> 
> Cheers Bob
> 
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2022 at 7:21 PM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hmmm spoke to soon. I see Start Using Font in the dictionary. I'll explore.
>> 
>> Bob S
>> 
>> 
>> On Aug 30, 2022, at 16:12 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com<mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all.
>> 
>> I'm at the point now where I want to clean up the appearance of all my
>> projects across all platforms. For instance, I have a Time Calculator stack
>> that calculates total time for any number of start/stop/lunch entries. I
>> have heretofore left my field and label fonts at the default, which for
>> MacOS is <whateveritis>. But when I create a standalone for Windows, the
>> size of that text is larger, and so any labels I have overflow the label
>> and only show me part of the text.
>> 
>> What I want to do is set up my environment so that whatever font I use in
>> the MacOS uses, there is an identical font on the Windows side as well. I
>> know there is a way to embed fonts in a project, but I don't really
>> understand how that works.
>> 
>> If I use a font that exists in both Mac and Windows, a common web font for
>> instance, they do not look at all the same on both platforms. Verdana is a
>> good example. I am not averse to purchasing a font family or two and
>> statically setting my font, size and style for every object, so long as the
>> Windows and MacOS look (reasonably) the same.
>> 
>> Any ideas?
>> 
>> Bob S
>> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Aug 31 11:27:22 2022
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2022 15:27:22 +0000
Subject: Standardize Font Appearance
In-Reply-To: <5C7E50AF-B53A-4ED6-AD7B-2841FBE4A9CD@iotecdigital.com>
References: <16B11823-3348-421C-95A3-A8CF2A7170CA@iotecdigital.com>
 <B92C5423-EF23-4CD6-9DF1-5E147B7BC359@iotecdigital.com>
 <CAPzQJLJpWyBoQq718sCaWPtRTEa8WDNpERbZMj_kjWqo+h1XDw@mail.gmail.com>
 <5C7E50AF-B53A-4ED6-AD7B-2841FBE4A9CD@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <97A503CE-34F0-4BA8-8CA8-C7E52E7A1364@iotecdigital.com>

Okay I see there are a butt-ton of them and must be downloaded individually. They can be had at fonts.com<http://fonts.com>. I already found one I like for my module headers!

Bob S


On Aug 31, 2022, at 08:17 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com<mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:

Great idea! I looked for a download link for the fonts, but all I can find are github links to the source code (I don't want to have to build out all the fonts if that's what that is) and other sources for font downloaders and synchs. Is there anywhere I can just download the OTF files?

Bob S


From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Wed Aug 31 12:11:02 2022
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2022 09:11:02 -0700
Subject: Livecode / Github
In-Reply-To: <CABRqQSR=i0-u-9ApSA0uRUvEYu4TjqV-NUCAPxWBV+60L47o+w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1F9327AF-F7BC-45B5-87B8-5E3463CBA5DF@milby7.com>
 <92124E94-C009-409F-8EA2-745C8B502C36@milby7.com>
 <CABRqQSR=i0-u-9ApSA0uRUvEYu4TjqV-NUCAPxWBV+60L47o+w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <426b5d44-e22c-851e-4119-f34e2940b3a2@sonic.net>

On 8/31/22 07:58, Sean Cole via use-livecode wrote:
> Thanks for the confirmation, Brian.
> 
> I tried again from the message box. With a stack this large it takes about
> 10 seconds before the mainStack disappears for exporting and then reappears
> 1 min later. About 4-8 mins after that it truely finishes where it flashes
> up a white window for a moment then the error appears in the message box,
> same as before, object does not have this property. Because everything is
> handled using a GUID, I have no idea how far it has got nor which
> particular object is causing the problem. We'll find it eventually, I'm
> certain.

Was a log file created? scGetPathLog()
No logs were created for me, but just a thought.

https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23910

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com


From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Wed Aug 31 12:13:32 2022
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2022 09:13:32 -0700
Subject: Livecode / Github
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 <56eb98b4-b369-aefa-54d3-eb12f220b87c@sonic.net>
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On 8/31/22 03:00, Sean Cole via use-livecode wrote:

> LC Team: :-) It would be REALLY handy if proper errors were thrown when one
> occurs that can help us easily understand what the issues are. Also, if
> prior to release documentation were gone through to make sure they are
> legible. And if plugins released actually work as described. :-)

Actually, it's even worse.
The result is empty if no error occurred and "* successful" if it 
worked. To me that seems backwards.

https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23911

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com