Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition

Bob Sneidar bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com
Tue Sep 7 12:26:27 EDT 2021 

Two words: Unicode. 

Bob S


> On Sep 2, 2021, at 15:20 , Lagi Pittas via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Sorry it's worse than I thought.It's 10th generation with 4 cores and 8
> logical processors.
> 
> Appleworks was blazingly fast on my 64K 1Mhz Apple 2  and so was Borland
> Turbo Pascal on my Microsoft Z80 card on said machine - software is going
> backwards speed wise.
> 
> Lagi
> 
> On Thu, 2 Sept 2021 at 23:00, Tom Glod via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> Lagi,
>> 
>> I wrote to Kevin earlier and gave the exact same advice. those exact 2
>> points needing to be addressed.
>> 
>> Give long trial, fix the most obvious IDE issues ASAP.
>> 
>> Without those two things how is any new developer going to join the
>> platform?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Sep 2, 2021 at 5:34 PM Lagi Pittas via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Trials of 14 days or even 30 days are a waste of time. I can install
>>> something and use it for a couple of days - then life / work gets in the
>>> way
>>> so It sits on the computer for 31 days and then times out.
>>> 
>>> You then have to waste your time and the companies to get an extension,
>>> and by the time they answer
>>> you get cheesed off and remove the  program.
>>> 
>>> The BEST trial is the one that lasts for 30 actual executions or 6 months
>>> (whichever comes first).
>>> 
>>> This stops the clever  SOD who decides to keep it running without exiting
>>> for 6 months but it times out anyway.
>>> Even better if he keeps it on for 2 days it counts as "executing" twice
>> so
>>> it will last 30 days.
>>> 
>>> This means I have 30 days over a 6 month period to really test it without
>>> rushing.
>>> 
>>> The people who would game the system are the people who won't be loyal
>>> customer anyway, so not giving a worthwhile trial period handicaps those
>>> who want to give it a good try.
>>> 
>>> You can also put a  nag screen  at the start of any executable with an OK
>>> button  link to a special discounted price - free marketing (what a
>>> brilliant Idea, why didn't I think of it?).
>>> 
>>> But the best way of selling it is to FIX the bloody IDE - I am running
>> on a
>>> 16G 1 year Old 8th Generation CoreI7  processor and it  STILL runs like
>>> treacle.
>>> 
>>> If I downloaded it today as a new person it would be off my machine in
>> less
>>> than 30 minutes.
>>> 
>>> You could also use this as your "marketing" system by "giving it away"
>> to
>>> schools for nothing and without the trial period but the nag screen.
>>> 
>>> It can then be used by the students to learn programming at no cost - and
>>> some of the students parent might pony up for a paid for version at a
>>> student price (with no expiring standalones of cours - the most stupid
>> idea
>>> of the lot so far)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Anyway Kevin, have I/we wastedour time again putting out these cranky,
>>> stupid and not workable suggestions?.
>>> 
>>> Lagi
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Thu, 2 Sept 2021 at 15:55, Kevin Miller via use-livecode <
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> We *are* considering the length of the trial actively, we may well
>> give a
>>>> longer trial a shot at some point.
>>>> 
>>>> Kind regards,
>>>> 
>>>> Kevin
>>>> 
>>>> Kevin Miller ~ kevin at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
>>>> LiveCode: Develop Yourself
>>>> 
>>>> On 02/09/2021, 15:51, "use-livecode on behalf of Ralph DiMola via
>>>> use-livecode" <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com on behalf of
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>    True, true.
>>>> 
>>>>    There could be a small group of programmers that pass a stack
>> around
>>>> but you would not be able to convince/teach a civilian to install a
>>>> programming IDE and explain how to run the stack along with any other
>>>> supporting files, SW or plug-ins... Mobile would be a non-starter. I
>>> would
>>>> not dismiss this out-of-hand. A 90 day free IDE could also be an
>> option.
>>>> 
>>>>    Ralph DiMola
>>>>    IT Director
>>>>    Evergreen Information Services
>>>>    rdimola at evergreeninfo.net
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>    -----Original Message-----
>>>>    From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com]
>> On
>>>> Behalf Of Kevin Miller via use-livecode
>>>>    Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2021 10:31 AM
>>>>    To: How to use LiveCode
>>>>    Cc: Kevin Miller; Michael Kristensen
>>>>    Subject: Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition
>>>> 
>>>>    Thanks for the constructive suggestion. Unfortunately with a free
>>>> non-app building version, everyone who needs to run an app can just
>>>> download that.
>>>> 
>>>>    Kind regards,
>>>> 
>>>>    Kevin
>>>> 
>>>>    Kevin Miller ~ kevin at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
>>>>    LiveCode: Develop Yourself
>>>> 
>>>>    On 02/09/2021, 14:49, "use-livecode on behalf of Michael
>> Kristensen
>>>> via use-livecode" <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com on behalf of
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>        Hi there
>>>> 
>>>>        I suggest that there could be a Non-Appbuilding Community
>> Edition
>>>> 
>>>>        That would be for personal use, and to learn coding.
>>>> 
>>>>        Michael
>>>> 
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