Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition

Tom Glod tom at makeshyft.com
Thu Sep 2 17:59:56 EDT 2021 

I literally begged. LOL

On Thu, Sep 2, 2021 at 5:59 PM Tom Glod <tom at makeshyft.com> wrote:

> Lagi,
>
> I wrote to Kevin earlier and gave the exact same advice. those exact 2
> points needing to be addressed.
>
> Give long trial, fix the most obvious IDE issues ASAP.
>
> Without those two things how is any new developer going to join the
> platform?
>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 2, 2021 at 5:34 PM Lagi Pittas via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> Trials of 14 days or even 30 days are a waste of time. I can install
>> something and use it for a couple of days - then life / work gets in the
>> way
>> so It sits on the computer for 31 days and then times out.
>>
>>  You then have to waste your time and the companies to get an extension,
>> and by the time they answer
>> you get cheesed off and remove the  program.
>>
>> The BEST trial is the one that lasts for 30 actual executions or 6 months
>> (whichever comes first).
>>
>> This stops the clever  SOD who decides to keep it running without exiting
>> for 6 months but it times out anyway.
>> Even better if he keeps it on for 2 days it counts as "executing" twice so
>> it will last 30 days.
>>
>> This means I have 30 days over a 6 month period to really test it without
>> rushing.
>>
>> The people who would game the system are the people who won't be loyal
>> customer anyway, so not giving a worthwhile trial period handicaps those
>> who want to give it a good try.
>>
>> You can also put a  nag screen  at the start of any executable with an OK
>> button  link to a special discounted price - free marketing (what a
>> brilliant Idea, why didn't I think of it?).
>>
>> But the best way of selling it is to FIX the bloody IDE - I am running on
>> a
>> 16G 1 year Old 8th Generation CoreI7  processor and it  STILL runs like
>> treacle.
>>
>> If I downloaded it today as a new person it would be off my machine in
>> less
>> than 30 minutes.
>>
>> You could also use this as your "marketing" system by "giving it away"  to
>> schools for nothing and without the trial period but the nag screen.
>>
>> It can then be used by the students to learn programming at no cost - and
>> some of the students parent might pony up for a paid for version at a
>> student price (with no expiring standalones of cours - the most stupid
>> idea
>> of the lot so far)
>>
>>
>> Anyway Kevin, have I/we wastedour time again putting out these cranky,
>> stupid and not workable suggestions?.
>>
>> Lagi
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 2 Sept 2021 at 15:55, Kevin Miller via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> > We *are* considering the length of the trial actively, we may well give
>> a
>> > longer trial a shot at some point.
>> >
>> > Kind regards,
>> >
>> > Kevin
>> >
>> > Kevin Miller ~ kevin at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
>> > LiveCode: Develop Yourself
>> >
>> > On 02/09/2021, 15:51, "use-livecode on behalf of Ralph DiMola via
>> > use-livecode" <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com on behalf of
>> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >     True, true.
>> >
>> >     There could be a small group of programmers that pass a stack around
>> > but you would not be able to convince/teach a civilian to install a
>> > programming IDE and explain how to run the stack along with any other
>> > supporting files, SW or plug-ins... Mobile would be a non-starter. I
>> would
>> > not dismiss this out-of-hand. A 90 day free IDE could also be an option.
>> >
>> >     Ralph DiMola
>> >     IT Director
>> >     Evergreen Information Services
>> >     rdimola at evergreeninfo.net
>> >
>> >
>> >     -----Original Message-----
>> >     From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com]
>> On
>> > Behalf Of Kevin Miller via use-livecode
>> >     Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2021 10:31 AM
>> >     To: How to use LiveCode
>> >     Cc: Kevin Miller; Michael Kristensen
>> >     Subject: Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition
>> >
>> >     Thanks for the constructive suggestion. Unfortunately with a free
>> > non-app building version, everyone who needs to run an app can just
>> > download that.
>> >
>> >     Kind regards,
>> >
>> >     Kevin
>> >
>> >     Kevin Miller ~ kevin at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
>> >     LiveCode: Develop Yourself
>> >
>> >     On 02/09/2021, 14:49, "use-livecode on behalf of Michael Kristensen
>> > via use-livecode" <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com on behalf of
>> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >         Hi there
>> >
>> >         I suggest that there could be a Non-Appbuilding Community
>> Edition
>> >
>> >         That would be for personal use, and to learn coding.
>> >
>> >         Michael
>> >
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