New(?) Idea for Standalones

Mon Mar 29 13:24:00 EDT 2021

Don't blame Microsoft and Apple
There is a reason why MS and Apple require such things. It is security.

If there weren't any "bad" people who try to hack, hijack or infect our computers using viruses, trojan or other ways, then it wouldn't be necessary either.

As a developer I am also not very happy with those security requirements, because building standalones for deployment take more time than it took several years ago.
And purchasing a code signing certificate for Windows here in Germany was  also not very easy years ago, especially for independent developers. 
It was not just purchasing it in an online store. After purchase i had to proof my identity through a notary agency. Comodo contacted my lawyer/notary and asked for a confirmation that i am a real person.
Therefor i had to visit the notary office, show my papers to get authenticated.  So i had not only pay for the certificate, but also for the authentication through the lawyer/notary. 
Thanks god, now Comodo is using public business registers for confirmation and luckily i am listed in one of them now. So the authenticaton process is much faster and without any additonal costs. 

As a customer btw i really prefer secure software. I know that even with those security achievements software is not 100% secure, but more secure than without any notarization/code signing.

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Matthias Rebbe
Life Is Too Short For Boring Code

> Am 29.03.2021 um 19:01 schrieb Roger Guay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Beautifully said, Rick! Especially your point about it being a PITA.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> 
>> On Mar 29, 2021, at 9:36 AM, Rick Harrison via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Mark,
>> 
>> Perhaps improving standalone building should be put at
>> the top of the priority of things to improve for LiveCode.
>> 
>> I think people are very frustrated that they are having
>> great difficulties in building a standalone. A process that
>> used to be relatively simple is now way too complex.
>> 
>> Many LC users want to be able to create their application,
>> and deploy it quickly to their own computers, or to give
>> away to their family members.  They are not interested
>> in inserting Apple or other corporations into their personal
>> programming loop, and a lot of us feel the same way.
>> 
>> No one wants to deal with having to create bundle ids
>> or other corporate nonsense.  (Option for a unique random
>> bundle id generator here?)
>> 
>> I believe users want LC to step up it’s game in dealing
>> with these issues so the deployment experience is an
>> enjoyable one, and not a PITA.
>> 
>> Successfully addressing this problem helps everyone!
>> 
>> Just my 2 cents for the day.  ;-)
>> 
>> Rick
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> In terms of the general thrust behind this thread - I completely agree that standalone building has become tortuous over the last few years as all platforms add more and more hoops you have to jump through. However, this is probably best done by improving the standalone building process (i.e. making it as easy as possible) rather than anything else.
>>> 
>>> Warmest Regards,
>>> 
>>> Mark.
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Mark Waddingham ~ mark at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
>>> LiveCode: Everyone can create apps
>> 
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