From dvglasgow at gmail.com Thu Apr 1 12:49:03 2021 From: dvglasgow at gmail.com (David V Glasgow) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2021 17:49:03 +0100 Subject: Star score graphic generator achievable with inks... or...? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi folks, I am thinking about an app to create a 'star score' graphic for any given score/maximum value. I don?t want it to be just integers up to the number of stars, but for one for the stars (if mean score is neither zero or the maximum) to be part golden and part grey. I initially thought this would be straightforward but I am now scratching my head. I was wondering whether there is an ink combination of two graphics (star and ?screen?) which would allow the covered part of the star to appear grey but the card bg behind the screen to be unaffected. Please assume I really don?t understand inks at all. If that isn?t going to work, any other suggestions? Best Wishes, David G From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com Thu Apr 1 12:59:16 2021 From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2021 16:59:16 +0000 Subject: Star score graphic generator achievable with inks... or...? In-Reply-To: References:

Message-ID: <62A20662-914B-4C39-9A2D-FED2229B32B0@iotecdigital.com> I think what I would do is have 2 locked groups of stars overlaying each other. The back one the stars would be gray, and to top one whatever color you want. To register a value simply change the right of the top group to any value you want, to obscure the gray stars underneath. Bob S On Apr 1, 2021, at 9:49 AM, David V Glasgow via use-livecode > wrote: Hi folks, I am thinking about an app to create a 'star score' graphic for any given score/maximum value. I don?t want it to be just integers up to the number of stars, but for one for the stars (if mean score is neither zero or the maximum) to be part golden and part grey. I initially thought this would be straightforward but I am now scratching my head. I was wondering whether there is an ink combination of two graphics (star and ?screen?) which would allow the covered part of the star to appear grey but the card bg behind the screen to be unaffected. Please assume I really don?t understand inks at all. If that isn?t going to work, any other suggestions? Best Wishes, David G From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com Thu Apr 1 13:00:43 2021 From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2021 17:00:43 +0000 Subject: Star score graphic generator achievable with inks... or...? In-Reply-To: <62A20662-914B-4C39-9A2D-FED2229B32B0@iotecdigital.com> References:

<62A20662-914B-4C39-9A2D-FED2229B32B0@iotecdigital.com> Message-ID: Actually I think you would have to set the width of the top group, then set the left of the top group to the left of the bottom group. Simply changing the right will move the group I think. Just going off memory. Bob S On Apr 1, 2021, at 9:59 AM, Bob Sneidar > wrote: I think what I would do is have 2 locked groups of stars overlaying each other. The back one the stars would be gray, and to top one whatever color you want. To register a value simply change the right of the top group to any value you want, to obscure the gray stars underneath. Bob S On Apr 1, 2021, at 9:49 AM, David V Glasgow via use-livecode > wrote: Hi folks, I am thinking about an app to create a 'star score' graphic for any given score/maximum value. I don?t want it to be just integers up to the number of stars, but for one for the stars (if mean score is neither zero or the maximum) to be part golden and part grey. I initially thought this would be straightforward but I am now scratching my head. I was wondering whether there is an ink combination of two graphics (star and ?screen?) which would allow the covered part of the star to appear grey but the card bg behind the screen to be unaffected. Please assume I really don?t understand inks at all. If that isn?t going to work, any other suggestions? Best Wishes, David G From ambassador at fourthworld.com Thu Apr 1 13:59:20 2021 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2021 10:59:20 -0700 Subject: "tsnet (1) Received HTTP/0.9 when not allowed"? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9b688f7e-ddc7-e5f9-9df7-74e2be18a5a4@fourthworld.com> Good morning, Charles - Thank you for your assistance, and your offer to look into it. TL/DR: As work progresses I'm increasingly convinced this isn't a client-side issue at all, but a side-effect of how LC Server's insistence on loading fonts that aren't needed triggers some host's CGI resource constraints. The tsNet part of this fits that hypothesis: the HTTP version assumption is happening because the data coming back is literally 0 length - there's nothing there, fitting a pattern I've seen before on this host when CGIs are cut off. At the moment I think I have a handle on the situation, and a plan for addressing it. If I'm going to take advantage of your expertise let me queue up those points for when I truly need them. :) More complete: I found that this was only happening when two calls are made to the server within a short span of time, usually when first downloading a stack and then the stack requests the data it uses to display for the user. Simply putting a pause of just under 2 secs between the stack download and its request for data has at least allowed users to get back to work. I'm reluctant to pester DH support for more details on how their resource constraints are so frequently triggered by LC Server because I became familiar with the issue after spending weeks with them diagnosing an issue a few years ago, and I don't want them to think of LC as a problem and ban it altogether. Part of what I learned from that experience was a workaround Mark Waddingham and Peter Brett came up with, essentially tricking LC Server into using a local folder with just one font instead of the whole set of system fonts. Where I've used that workaround on Dreamhost everything's run well (indeed LiveCodeJournal.com uses it for every page and its performance is indistinguishable from static pages). For myself, I have other reasons to migrate the app to a VPS, and we're provisioning one soon. Shared hosting is great for low-value low-traffic stuff, but with VPSes priced on par these days it's the better choice when predictable loads are useful. My LiveCode, the language is so well suited for server work (chunk expression make short work of most of what we do on servers), it's a shame to see LC's performance and sometimes reputation take a hit by a loading sequence that favors initializing fonts that are never used by 99+% of scripts. Hopefully one day BZ#14115 will be addressed, and LC can be used with all the beautiful efficiency it's capable of. DH is a popular host, and I've seen this occasionally on at least one other shared hosting company before using the workaround. So this isn't just a Dreamhost issue, and may show itself at just about any time on perhaps any shared host that's successful enough to have resource constraints. In the meantime, for those who enjoy server admin there are always VPSes. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Systems Charles Warwick wrote: > ?Hi Richard, > > The curl version that is used in tsNet is regularly updated. The latest version of tsNet is using curl 7.74.0. > > My understanding of that particular issue is that if the first data line that is received back from the HTTP server doesn't match an appropriate response, it will assume HTTP/0.9. > > Is there a test URL you can post that shows this problem so I can see what is coming back from the server? Can you post what you are getting in the libURL debug? > > Also, have you tried a version of LC that has a different version of tsNet included - just in case this happens to be a new bug in the curl library. > > Thanks, > > Charles > >> On 1 Apr 2021, at 10:37 am, Richard Gaskin wrote: >> >> ?Matthias wrote: >> >>> was there a change in the configuration of your web server recently? >>> Is your web service using php or LC server? >> >> LC Server. Hosting likely had changes, since this app has been in production for a long time without issue. >> >> I believe the change most significant here is business success: Dreamhost apparently has a lot of customers and runs pretty packed shared servers these days (reason #48 why I prefer VPSes). I'm guessing part of this is a noisy neighbor problem. >> >> But I'd guess at least some of this is the interaction between Dreamhost's resource quotas and LC's wasteful boot process, in which most of the resources it consumes are for font init that I'd guess 99.9% of server scripts never need: >> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14115 >> >> Another contributing factor may be the curl version tsNet has embedded. Some of the discussions I came across reference older curl versions that assume HTTP 0.9 by default and misreport that under certain error conditions if header info isn't parsed just so. >> >> Is tsNet's curl version documented somewhere? >> Does LC keep tsNet updated with the latest curl with each release? >> >> >>> I am not sure if this is of help, but there is a debug stack >>> available for tsNET. Maybe the debug information gives you >>> some more information. >>> https://downloads.techstrategies.com.au/tsnet/debug_liburl.livecode >> >> Thanks. It's using libURLSetStatusCallback and libURLSetLogField, so it's more or less like the one I'd already built into my tooling. >> >> -- >> Richard Gaskin >> Fourth World Systems >> Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web >> ____________________________________________________________________ >> Ambassador at FourthWorld.com http://www.FourthWorld.com >> From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net Thu Apr 1 14:38:23 2021 From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2021 14:38:23 -0400 Subject: "tsnet (1) Received HTTP/0.9 when not allowed"? In-Reply-To: <9b688f7e-ddc7-e5f9-9df7-74e2be18a5a4@fourthworld.com> References: <9b688f7e-ddc7-e5f9-9df7-74e2be18a5a4@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <006501d72726$35b0f8f0$a112ead0$@net> Richard, I also have a problem when requests come too fast. This might be related? I'm on an on-rev server. My problem was that using sessions caused the LC server to choke about 50% of the time when sending back-to-back requests. I confirmed this when stress testing by sending 2 or more requests to LC server from the from the QCC demo client stack back-to-back. I'm wondering if these two are connected? https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=22560 I want to use LC Server sessions for some website work but am reluctant to do so because if 2 users happen to hit the server too close together then LC server locks up for any future requests that uses sessions. If you find a solution I'll be interested to see if it helps me also. Ralph DiMola IT Director Evergreen Information Services rdimola at evergreeninfo.net -----Original Message----- From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Richard Gaskin via use-livecode Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2021 1:59 PM To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Cc: Richard Gaskin Subject: Re: "tsnet (1) Received HTTP/0.9 when not allowed"? Good morning, Charles - Thank you for your assistance, and your offer to look into it. TL/DR: As work progresses I'm increasingly convinced this isn't a client-side issue at all, but a side-effect of how LC Server's insistence on loading fonts that aren't needed triggers some host's CGI resource constraints. The tsNet part of this fits that hypothesis: the HTTP version assumption is happening because the data coming back is literally 0 length - there's nothing there, fitting a pattern I've seen before on this host when CGIs are cut off. At the moment I think I have a handle on the situation, and a plan for addressing it. If I'm going to take advantage of your expertise let me queue up those points for when I truly need them. :) More complete: I found that this was only happening when two calls are made to the server within a short span of time, usually when first downloading a stack and then the stack requests the data it uses to display for the user. Simply putting a pause of just under 2 secs between the stack download and its request for data has at least allowed users to get back to work. I'm reluctant to pester DH support for more details on how their resource constraints are so frequently triggered by LC Server because I became familiar with the issue after spending weeks with them diagnosing an issue a few years ago, and I don't want them to think of LC as a problem and ban it altogether. Part of what I learned from that experience was a workaround Mark Waddingham and Peter Brett came up with, essentially tricking LC Server into using a local folder with just one font instead of the whole set of system fonts. Where I've used that workaround on Dreamhost everything's run well (indeed LiveCodeJournal.com uses it for every page and its performance is indistinguishable from static pages). For myself, I have other reasons to migrate the app to a VPS, and we're provisioning one soon. Shared hosting is great for low-value low-traffic stuff, but with VPSes priced on par these days it's the better choice when predictable loads are useful. My LiveCode, the language is so well suited for server work (chunk expression make short work of most of what we do on servers), it's a shame to see LC's performance and sometimes reputation take a hit by a loading sequence that favors initializing fonts that are never used by 99+% of scripts. Hopefully one day BZ#14115 will be addressed, and LC can be used with all the beautiful efficiency it's capable of. DH is a popular host, and I've seen this occasionally on at least one other shared hosting company before using the workaround. So this isn't just a Dreamhost issue, and may show itself at just about any time on perhaps any shared host that's successful enough to have resource constraints. In the meantime, for those who enjoy server admin there are always VPSes. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Systems Charles Warwick wrote: > ?Hi Richard, > > The curl version that is used in tsNet is regularly updated. The latest version of tsNet is using curl 7.74.0. > > My understanding of that particular issue is that if the first data line that is received back from the HTTP server doesn't match an appropriate response, it will assume HTTP/0.9. > > Is there a test URL you can post that shows this problem so I can see what is coming back from the server? Can you post what you are getting in the libURL debug? > > Also, have you tried a version of LC that has a different version of tsNet included - just in case this happens to be a new bug in the curl library. > > Thanks, > > Charles > >> On 1 Apr 2021, at 10:37 am, Richard Gaskin wrote: >> >> ?Matthias wrote: >> >>> was there a change in the configuration of your web server recently? >>> Is your web service using php or LC server? >> >> LC Server. Hosting likely had changes, since this app has been in production for a long time without issue. >> >> I believe the change most significant here is business success: Dreamhost apparently has a lot of customers and runs pretty packed shared servers these days (reason #48 why I prefer VPSes). I'm guessing part of this is a noisy neighbor problem. >> >> But I'd guess at least some of this is the interaction between Dreamhost's resource quotas and LC's wasteful boot process, in which most of the resources it consumes are for font init that I'd guess 99.9% of server scripts never need: >> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14115 >> >> Another contributing factor may be the curl version tsNet has embedded. Some of the discussions I came across reference older curl versions that assume HTTP 0.9 by default and misreport that under certain error conditions if header info isn't parsed just so. >> >> Is tsNet's curl version documented somewhere? >> Does LC keep tsNet updated with the latest curl with each release? >> >> >>> I am not sure if this is of help, but there is a debug stack >>> available for tsNET. Maybe the debug information gives you >>> some more information. >>> https://downloads.techstrategies.com.au/tsnet/debug_liburl.livecode >> >> Thanks. It's using libURLSetStatusCallback and libURLSetLogField, so it's more or less like the one I'd already built into my tooling. >> >> -- >> Richard Gaskin >> Fourth World Systems >> Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web >> ____________________________________________________________________ >> Ambassador at FourthWorld.com http://www.FourthWorld.com >> _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From marksmithhfx at gmail.com Thu Apr 1 14:44:00 2021 From: marksmithhfx at gmail.com (Mark Smith) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2021 19:44:00 +0100 Subject: [ANN] New Book: Development Oriented Development In-Reply-To: References:

Message-ID: <0B7B4114-9A61-413E-A5F6-57D05ECEB547@gmail.com> Hi Andre, thanks for this delightful and inspiring little book. Your ?Type Tool? in particular has spawned a whole range of ideas related to things I never thought could be accomplished so easily. Mark > On Mar 23, 2021, at 3:04 PM, Andre Garzia via use-livecode wrote: > > Hi Martin, > > Thanks a ton for the kind words and feedback. Your message makes me quite > happy because what you're describing is exactly the kind of experience that > I wanted to encourage when I wrote that book. Let us know how your plugin > writing goes :-) oh, I'm also interested in feedback for part 2 of that > book which is about project-focused tooling, if you have any thoughts about > it, I'd be keen to know more. > > Thanks! > > -- > https://www.andregarzia.com > > Want to support me? Buy me a coffee at https://ko-fi.com/andregarzia > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From tom at makeshyft.com Thu Apr 1 14:52:59 2021 From: tom at makeshyft.com (Tom Glod) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2021 14:52:59 -0400 Subject: [ANN] New Book: Development Oriented Development In-Reply-To: <0B7B4114-9A61-413E-A5F6-57D05ECEB547@gmail.com> References:

<0B7B4114-9A61-413E-A5F6-57D05ECEB547@gmail.com> Message-ID: I gotta get on it and read it. Great reviews so far. On Thu, Apr 1, 2021 at 2:45 PM Mark Smith via use-livecode < use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > Hi Andre, thanks for this delightful and inspiring little book. Your ?Type > Tool? in particular has spawned a whole range of ideas related to things I > never thought could be accomplished so easily. > > Mark > > > On Mar 23, 2021, at 3:04 PM, Andre Garzia via use-livecode < > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > > Hi Martin, > > > > Thanks a ton for the kind words and feedback. Your message makes me quite > > happy because what you're describing is exactly the kind of experience > that > > I wanted to encourage when I wrote that book. Let us know how your plugin > > writing goes :-) oh, I'm also interested in feedback for part 2 of that > > book which is about project-focused tooling, if you have any thoughts > about > > it, I'd be keen to know more. > > > > Thanks! > > > > -- > > https://www.andregarzia.com < > http://www.andregarzia.com > > > Want to support me? Buy me a coffee at https://ko-fi.com/andregarzia < > https://ko-fi.com/andregarzia> > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode < > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode> > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- Tom Glod Founder & Developer MakeShyft R.D.A (www.makeshyft.com) Mobile:647.562.9411 From paul at researchware.com Thu Apr 1 15:51:28 2021 From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2021 15:51:28 -0400 Subject: Behaviors and scripts and a new handler structure... Message-ID: <10aac071-5d82-91f9-f189-4b40f8233194@researchware.com> I have increasingly been using behaviors in my applications where it makes sense to assign a script to multiple objects or to override the actions of existing script handlers by assign a behavior with different version of those handlers. The one thing I dislike about behaviors is all the objects I need to create (a button for this behavior another button for that behavior script and so on). I'd love to see a new LCS structure like the following: behavior end that you can just have in a script. Even multiple behaviors in the same script perhaps each with their own 'mouseUp' handlers and then you can set the behavior of an object to a behavior name and done. Obviously, any messages (i.e mouseDown, mouseUp, etc. etc.) in the behavior block should never received a mouseDown, mouseUp, etc. message unless sent to the object tat have the behavior assigned to it. I think it would make code maintenance potentially much easier. I don't have any idea how much of a engine change such a addition to the language would represent. Anyone else think this is a good idea? From ambassador at fourthworld.com Thu Apr 1 16:59:17 2021 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2021 13:59:17 -0700 Subject: "tsnet (1) Received HTTP/0.9 when not allowed"? In-Reply-To: <006501d72726$35b0f8f0$a112ead0$@net> References: <006501d72726$35b0f8f0$a112ead0$@net> Message-ID: <52e774a8-6123-c8a5-7ba4-28a821e78f62@fourthworld.com> Ralph DiMola wrote: > Richard, > > I also have a problem when requests come too fast. This might be > related? I'm on an on-rev server. My problem was that using sessions > caused the LC server to choke about 50% of the time when sending back- > to-back requests. I confirmed this when stress testing by sending 2 or > more requests to LC server from the from the QCC demo client stack > back-to-back. I'm wondering if these two are connected? > https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=22560 Thanks, Ralph. I do use persistent session data, but in this app I use a custom store, not LC Server's session handling. That's an interesting report, though, and I've added myself to the CC there. This loading-fonts-unnecessarily issue seems to be more related to my circumstance: https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14115 I'll know more if I get a chance I put the funky-font-fix workaround in place, but TBH I'm more likely to just move the app to a VPS instead. So it'll be a question of making the time for a funky setup test, and while that might narrow down root causes it won't fix anything since it's unlikely to be addressed anytime soon: two community members who've looked at the engine code believe IF-DEFing the font init would be prohibitively cumbersome given the imported subsystems that would need it (like Skia), and the core team has other priorities. > I want to use LC Server sessions for some website work but am > reluctant to do so because if 2 users happen to hit the server > too close together then LC server locks up for any future requests > that uses sessions. How certain are you the issue you're seeing is specific to sessions? I've skimmed your report but haven't tested it, so forgive me if this should be obvious, but have you found any other circumstances where file I/0 may be the trigger, rather than session storage specifically? > If you find a solution I'll be interested to see > if it helps me also. If your issue is session-specific, I got nothing. If it may be general resource consumption (mostly memory), the funky-font-fix may do the trick. But setting it up is not for the feint of heart. If you're comfortable with bash I can provide instructions to try it. Kinda sad. LC's chunk expressions make our beloved language a nearly ideal fit for so many server tasks. General performance is more or less on par with Python and Ruby where CGI stuff has been a famously good fit- LC can do anything they can do, and with more readable code that's more enjoyable to write. But we need to tighten it up and bring down the resource consumption before I'll stake my reputation evangelizing it beyond the current community of LC diehards. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Systems Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web ____________________________________________________________________ Ambassador at FourthWorld.com http://www.FourthWorld.com From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com Thu Apr 1 19:42:47 2021 From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2021 23:42:47 +0000 Subject: Behaviors and scripts and a new handler structure... In-Reply-To: <10aac071-5d82-91f9-f189-4b40f8233194@researchware.com> References: <10aac071-5d82-91f9-f189-4b40f8233194@researchware.com> Message-ID: <7616939A-1B41-4D9A-A98D-539AA3203AB8@iotecdigital.com> I have already implemented this with the help of others, for Datagrids. I think it works already for other things. Bob S > On Apr 1, 2021, at 12:51 , Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote: > > I have increasingly been using behaviors in my applications where it makes sense to assign a script to multiple objects or to override the actions of existing script handlers by assign a behavior with different version of those handlers. > > The one thing I dislike about behaviors is all the objects I need to create (a button for this behavior another button for that behavior script and so on). > > I'd love to see a new LCS structure like the following: > > behavior > > > > end > > that you can just have in a script. Even multiple behaviors in the same script perhaps each with their own 'mouseUp' handlers and then you can set the behavior of an object to a behavior name and done. Obviously, any messages (i.e mouseDown, mouseUp, etc. etc.) in the behavior block should never received a mouseDown, mouseUp, etc. message unless sent to the object tat have the behavior assigned to it. > > I think it would make code maintenance potentially much easier. I don't have any idea how much of a engine change such a addition to the language would represent. > > Anyone else think this is a good idea? From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net Thu Apr 1 20:12:20 2021 From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2021 20:12:20 -0400 Subject: "tsnet (1) Received HTTP/0.9 when not allowed"? In-Reply-To: <52e774a8-6123-c8a5-7ba4-28a821e78f62@fourthworld.com> References: <006501d72726$35b0f8f0$a112ead0$@net> <52e774a8-6123-c8a5-7ba4-28a821e78f62@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <008601d72754$dc0cc700$94265500$@net> It is session specific. After 2 back-to-back requests to the LC server script that uses sessions 50% of the time you get into this state: 1) Any server request that attempts to create or use an existing session will lock up for 20-30 seconds and return empty. 2) Server requests that don't use sessions will continue to work. After you delete the lcsessions.idx file then all is back to normal until 2 or 3 requests using sessions come back-to-back. Very repeatable. Ralph DiMola IT Director Evergreen Information Services rdimola at evergreeninfo.net -----Original Message----- From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Richard Gaskin via use-livecode Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2021 4:59 PM To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Cc: Richard Gaskin Subject: Re: "tsnet (1) Received HTTP/0.9 when not allowed"? Ralph DiMola wrote: > Richard, > > I also have a problem when requests come too fast. This might be > related? I'm on an on-rev server. My problem was that using sessions > caused the LC server to choke about 50% of the time when sending back- > to-back requests. I confirmed this when stress testing by sending 2 or > more requests to LC server from the from the QCC demo client stack > back-to-back. I'm wondering if these two are connected? > https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=22560 Thanks, Ralph. I do use persistent session data, but in this app I use a custom store, not LC Server's session handling. That's an interesting report, though, and I've added myself to the CC there. This loading-fonts-unnecessarily issue seems to be more related to my circumstance: https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14115 I'll know more if I get a chance I put the funky-font-fix workaround in place, but TBH I'm more likely to just move the app to a VPS instead. So it'll be a question of making the time for a funky setup test, and while that might narrow down root causes it won't fix anything since it's unlikely to be addressed anytime soon: two community members who've looked at the engine code believe IF-DEFing the font init would be prohibitively cumbersome given the imported subsystems that would need it (like Skia), and the core team has other priorities. > I want to use LC Server sessions for some website work but am > reluctant to do so because if 2 users happen to hit the server > too close together then LC server locks up for any future requests > that uses sessions. How certain are you the issue you're seeing is specific to sessions? I've skimmed your report but haven't tested it, so forgive me if this should be obvious, but have you found any other circumstances where file I/0 may be the trigger, rather than session storage specifically? > If you find a solution I'll be interested to see > if it helps me also. If your issue is session-specific, I got nothing. If it may be general resource consumption (mostly memory), the funky-font-fix may do the trick. But setting it up is not for the feint of heart. If you're comfortable with bash I can provide instructions to try it. Kinda sad. LC's chunk expressions make our beloved language a nearly ideal fit for so many server tasks. General performance is more or less on par with Python and Ruby where CGI stuff has been a famously good fit- LC can do anything they can do, and with more readable code that's more enjoyable to write. But we need to tighten it up and bring down the resource consumption before I'll stake my reputation evangelizing it beyond the current community of LC diehards. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Systems Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web ____________________________________________________________________ Ambassador at FourthWorld.com http://www.FourthWorld.com _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From hlowe at me.com Fri Apr 2 02:58:38 2021 From: hlowe at me.com (HENRY LOWE) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2021 23:58:38 -0700 Subject: TreeView Widget Drag and Drop Support In-Reply-To: References: <098CBE76-9748-48D5-A034-1EFD15FE7125@me.com>

Message-ID: <08614420-5440-4D24-9E19-E95F02427E73@me.com> Many thanks Brian. As you suggested, I have created an enhancement request. https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23147 Henry > On Mar 31, 2021, at 3:32 PM, HENRY LOWE via use-livecode wrote: > > Thanks Brian. I am handling the ?on DragDrop? message in the widget?s script but on completing the drop there is no way to determine which row in the TreeView widget the data was dropped into. Ideally when in DragDrop mode the widget would automatically hilite the row that the mouse is currently over (standard drag and drop behavior) so that when the user finally releases the mouse button the row that was the drop target would be available in 'the hilitedElement? property of the widget. Currently I am having to try to determine which row was dropped on using the mouseLoc to calculate which row I am in. > > On the second issue, I tried using hiliteChanged message but could not get it to work. Do you have an example script to do this? > > Henry > >> On Mar 30, 2021, at 5:06 PM, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode wrote: >> >> Hi Henry, >> >> I often take the widgets, like TreeView, and add in other message >> responders like this. It's real easy to do? >> >> Just make a copy of the widget folder from the LC Tools Folder >> (Livecode.app/Contents/Tools/Extensions/com.livecode.widget.treeview) and >> into your own Livecode extensions folder (mine is in ~/Documents/My >> LiveCode/Extensions/ or my dropbox folder somewhere). Rename the folder >> from com.livecode. to com.mine. or something. Then open treeview.lcb in >> BBEdit or TextEdit, etc, from the copy folder. Line 88, change widget >> com.livecode.widget.treeview to use the new folder name you gave. >> >> Next, search for 'onMouseUp'. you should find: >> >> public handler onMouseLeave() returns nothing >> put 0 into mHoverRow >> redraw all >> end handler >> >> Before that in the code, add in your other handlers (OnDragDrop, etc) using >> the same syntax. No need to use the put or redraw messages of course. Look >> in the dictionary, lcb section, to check the handler names to use. >> >> Then, open the manifest.xml from the same folder. Line 2, again >> change com.livecode.widget.treeview to use the new folder name >> and Line 3 to something a little more unique. Then again search for >> onmouseup. You will see: >> >> >> >> Again, follow the syntax adding in the lines for the handler. >> >> Look through the other files in the folder and change if you wish but it is >> not essential. >> >> Now in LC, open the extension builder and use the 'open existing..' button >> to navigate to the folder you created. Then, from the bottom, the install >> button will build it into the toolbar. >> >> Now you have a customised version. Make sure you add your replacement >> widget in the standaloneSettings>Inclusions before building your >> standalones. >> >> All the best >> >> Sean >> >> On Wed, 31 Mar 2021 at 00:26, HENRY LOWE via use-livecode < >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: >> >>> I am using the LC TreeView widget to implement a sidebar containing a >>> hierarchical menu in a MacOS app. The widget seems well suited for this >>> purpose and I have successfully created a facsimile of the standard sidebar >>> that is used increasingly in both MacOS and iPadOS apps. However, I need to >>> drag rows from a data grid table to a TreeView widget row in the sidebar >>> but the current implementation of the TreeView widget does not report the >>> TreeView widget row (element) where the drop occurred. A TreeView widget >>> message, such as 'ActionDragDrop pPath? where pPath is the path to the >>> element that was ?dropped on? would be incredibly helpful. I have >>> implemented a workaround method off drag and drop to the widget but it >>> occasionally breaks. >>> >>> Looking at the LiveCode Builder documentation, widgets can support the >>> following messages related to drag and drop functionality: >>> >>> OnDragDrop, On DragEnter, OnDragFinish, OnDragLeave, On DragMove, On >>> DragStart. >>> >>> These messages are not currently supported in the TreeView widget LCB >>> source. Adding them would make this incredibly useful widget even more >>> powerful. >>> >>> Another issue that I encountered when using the TreeView widget to >>> implement a sidebar hierarchical menu was that clicking on a row in the >>> TreeView widget toggles the row?s hilite state - click on an item and it >>> hilites, click on it again and it unhilites. While this may be standard >>> behavior for a list, in a menu clicking on a hilited row should not change >>> the row?s hilite state. It should remain hilited. Only clicking on another >>> row (menu item) should unhilite a row and then hilite the selected row. It >>> would be great to have a ?togglehilite? TreeView property. If true the >>> TreeView would toggle a row?s hilite state as it does now, while if false >>> it would not. >>> >>> Any thoughts? >>> >>> Henry >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From dvglasgow at gmail.com Fri Apr 2 05:08:26 2021 From: dvglasgow at gmail.com (David V Glasgow) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2021 10:08:26 +0100 Subject: Star score graphic generator achievable with inks... or...? In-Reply-To: References:

<62A20662-914B-4C39-9A2D-FED2229B32B0@iotecdigital.com> Message-ID: <415606FC-EEAA-4B9E-BE4A-D24C75DF0D73@gmail.com> > On 1 Apr 2021, at 6:00 pm, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote: > > Actually I think you would have to set the width of the top group, then set the left of the top group to the left of the bottom group. Simply changing the right will move the group I think. Just going off memory. > > Bob S > Thanks,Bob, but as I understand what you are saying, wouldn?t that only trade in whole stars? The easiest way to do that would be with icon switching - I want to have the last star part gold and part grey, (with a vertical boundary through the star) if that is what is demand by the mean feedback score being represented. I?m thinking perhaps icons will be the easiest way to go. Maybe 10 stars each representing a degree of ?goldness? and I will just set the stars Icons as required. Duh! Actually 11 stars, I will need a 0% gold. Thanks anyway Cheers David G From dvglasgow at gmail.com Fri Apr 2 09:14:57 2021 From: dvglasgow at gmail.com (David V Glasgow) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2021 14:14:57 +0100 Subject: Star score graphic generator achievable with inks... or...? In-Reply-To: <415606FC-EEAA-4B9E-BE4A-D24C75DF0D73@gmail.com> References:

<62A20662-914B-4C39-9A2D-FED2229B32B0@iotecdigital.com> <415606FC-EEAA-4B9E-BE4A-D24C75DF0D73@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6BE17C12-DAEB-4D72-BD79-D7682DD35035@gmail.com> Of course what you suggest is a perfect solution. Someone had to mail me off list and explain it using very small words. Cheers David G > On 2 Apr 2021, at 10:08 am, David V Glasgow wrote: > > > >> On 1 Apr 2021, at 6:00 pm, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote: >> >> Actually I think you would have to set the width of the top group, then set the left of the top group to the left of the bottom group. Simply changing the right will move the group I think. Just going off memory. >> >> Bob S >> > > > Thanks,Bob, but as I understand what you are saying, wouldn?t that only trade in whole stars? The easiest way to do that would be with icon switching - I want to have the last star part gold and part grey, (with a vertical boundary through the star) if that is what is demand by the mean feedback score being represented. > > I?m thinking perhaps icons will be the easiest way to go. Maybe 10 stars each representing a degree of ?goldness? and I will just set the stars Icons as required. Duh! Actually 11 stars, I will need a 0% gold. > > Thanks anyway > > Cheers > > David G From tom at makeshyft.com Fri Apr 2 16:54:47 2021 From: tom at makeshyft.com (Tom Glod) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2021 16:54:47 -0400 Subject: mouseenter/mouseleave and pointer tool In-Reply-To: <91A207E5-0789-457E-8488-F58B0374D2E7@netrin.com> References: <91A207E5-0789-457E-8488-F58B0374D2E7@netrin.com> Message-ID: Just working in LC now ...... I get it now.... scratch everything I said.....ever. :/ On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 10:04 PM Jim Lambert via use-livecode < use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > Good suggestions. Thanks, all. > Commenting out the answer command makes no difference. > I quit LC and now cannot reproduce the behavior as it is intermittent. > Next time it happens I'll try Scott's suggestions with the Tool Palette. > > Thanks, > Jim Lambert > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- Tom Glod Founder & Developer MakeShyft R.D.A (www.makeshyft.com) Mobile:647.562.9411 From ambassador at fourthworld.com Fri Apr 2 17:26:08 2021 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2021 14:26:08 -0700 Subject: autohilite FUBAR? Message-ID: <90909a4f-2e2c-80b1-e31c-9c56c9e80dc5@fourthworld.com> I recently noticed that if you hold the mouse down on a button and move it, the button doesn't stay highlighted, but instead the highlight flashes. Anyone else seeing this? Anyone have a clue as to when it first went south? -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Systems Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web ____________________________________________________________________ Ambassador at FourthWorld.com http://www.FourthWorld.com From chipsm at themartinz.com Fri Apr 2 17:52:37 2021 From: chipsm at themartinz.com (chipsm themartinz.com) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2021 21:52:37 +0000 Subject: autohilite FUBAR? In-Reply-To: <90909a4f-2e2c-80b1-e31c-9c56c9e80dc5@fourthworld.com> References: <90909a4f-2e2c-80b1-e31c-9c56c9e80dc5@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: I tested this and it is true. As you move the Mouse across the button (in the mouse-Down) it does flash. Sincerely, Clarence Martin Email: chipsm at themartinz.com Phone: 626 6965561 -----Original Message----- From: use-livecode On Behalf Of Richard Gaskin via use-livecode Sent: Friday, April 02, 2021 2:26 PM To: How to use LiveCode Cc: Richard Gaskin Subject: autohilite FUBAR? I recently noticed that if you hold the mouse down on a button and move it, the button doesn't stay highlighted, but instead the highlight flashes. Anyone else seeing this? Anyone have a clue as to when it first went south? -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Systems Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web ____________________________________________________________________ Ambassador at FourthWorld.com http://www.FourthWorld.com _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From mkoob at rogers.com Fri Apr 2 18:51:38 2021 From: mkoob at rogers.com (Martin Koob) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2021 18:51:38 -0400 Subject: Star score graphic generator achievable with inks... or...? In-Reply-To: <6BE17C12-DAEB-4D72-BD79-D7682DD35035@gmail.com> References:

<62A20662-914B-4C39-9A2D-FED2229B32B0@iotecdigital.com> <415606FC-EEAA-4B9E-BE4A-D24C75DF0D73@gmail.com> <6BE17C12-DAEB-4D72-BD79-D7682DD35035@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5634CC4D-D096-485E-81E7-3F3E0FC0EB87@rogers.com> Hi David If I understand what you want you could use the Segmented Control Widget to get what you want. https://livecode.com/livecode-widgets-the-segmented-control/ It just has full ratings, i.e. whole stars however in a comment to that tutorial Paul McClernan has a link to a "Five-Star rating system LiveCode Builder Widget has 10 states (half-stars)" https://github.com/PaulMcClernan/community.livecode.widget.fivestars I think this would do what you need. You would need to install the widget in your IDE to use it. Martin > On Apr 2, 2021, at 9:14 AM, David V Glasgow via use-livecode wrote: > > Of course what you suggest is a perfect solution. > > Someone had to mail me off list and explain it using very small words. > > Cheers > > David G > >> On 2 Apr 2021, at 10:08 am, David V Glasgow wrote: >> >> >> >>> On 1 Apr 2021, at 6:00 pm, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote: >>> >>> Actually I think you would have to set the width of the top group, then set the left of the top group to the left of the bottom group. Simply changing the right will move the group I think. Just going off memory. >>> >>> Bob S >>> >> >> >> Thanks,Bob, but as I understand what you are saying, wouldn?t that only trade in whole stars? The easiest way to do that would be with icon switching - I want to have the last star part gold and part grey, (with a vertical boundary through the star) if that is what is demand by the mean feedback score being represented. >> >> I?m thinking perhaps icons will be the easiest way to go. Maybe 10 stars each representing a degree of ?goldness? and I will just set the stars Icons as required. Duh! Actually 11 stars, I will need a 0% gold. >> >> Thanks anyway >> >> Cheers >> >> David G > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From mkoob at rogers.com Fri Apr 2 18:57:42 2021 From: mkoob at rogers.com (Martin Koob) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2021 18:57:42 -0400 Subject: Star score graphic generator achievable with inks... or...? In-Reply-To: <5634CC4D-D096-485E-81E7-3F3E0FC0EB87@rogers.com> References:

<62A20662-914B-4C39-9A2D-FED2229B32B0@iotecdigital.com> <415606FC-EEAA-4B9E-BE4A-D24C75DF0D73@gmail.com> <6BE17C12-DAEB-4D72-BD79-D7682DD35035@gmail.com> <5634CC4D-D096-485E-81E7-3F3E0FC0EB87@rogers.com> Message-ID: <8A1460AF-37F6-418A-981C-F8DCD73415E7@rogers.com> Hi again I just installed it following the instructions here https://gist.github.com/matthewmaier/a803283ffa46a28e27fd It seems to do the job. Martin > On Apr 2, 2021, at 6:51 PM, Martin Koob via use-livecode wrote: > > Hi David > > If I understand what you want you could use the Segmented Control Widget to get what you want. > > https://livecode.com/livecode-widgets-the-segmented-control/ > > It just has full ratings, i.e. whole stars however in a comment to that tutorial Paul McClernan has a link to a "Five-Star rating system LiveCode Builder Widget has 10 states (half-stars)" > https://github.com/PaulMcClernan/community.livecode.widget.fivestars > > I think this would do what you need. > > You would need to install the widget in your IDE to use it. > > Martin > >> On Apr 2, 2021, at 9:14 AM, David V Glasgow via use-livecode wrote: >> >> Of course what you suggest is a perfect solution. >> >> Someone had to mail me off list and explain it using very small words. >> >> Cheers >> >> David G >> >>> On 2 Apr 2021, at 10:08 am, David V Glasgow wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> On 1 Apr 2021, at 6:00 pm, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote: >>>> >>>> Actually I think you would have to set the width of the top group, then set the left of the top group to the left of the bottom group. Simply changing the right will move the group I think. Just going off memory. >>>> >>>> Bob S >>>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks,Bob, but as I understand what you are saying, wouldn?t that only trade in whole stars? The easiest way to do that would be with icon switching - I want to have the last star part gold and part grey, (with a vertical boundary through the star) if that is what is demand by the mean feedback score being represented. >>> >>> I?m thinking perhaps icons will be the easiest way to go. Maybe 10 stars each representing a degree of ?goldness? and I will just set the stars Icons as required. Duh! Actually 11 stars, I will need a 0% gold. >>> >>> Thanks anyway >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> David G >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From irog at mac.com Fri Apr 2 23:30:21 2021 From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2021 20:30:21 -0700 Subject: autohilite FUBAR? In-Reply-To: References: <90909a4f-2e2c-80b1-e31c-9c56c9e80dc5@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <9CD56A7E-D3DC-4C41-B668-AB1FEC033A97@mac.com> Not so for me on Mac OS Big Sur and LC 9.6 Roger > On Apr 2, 2021, at 2:52 PM, chipsm themartinz.com via use-livecode wrote: > > I tested this and it is true. As you move the Mouse across the button (in the mouse-Down) it does flash. > > Sincerely, > > Clarence Martin > Email: chipsm at themartinz.com > Phone: 626 6965561 > > -----Original Message----- > From: use-livecode On Behalf Of Richard Gaskin via use-livecode > Sent: Friday, April 02, 2021 2:26 PM > To: How to use LiveCode > Cc: Richard Gaskin > Subject: autohilite FUBAR? > > I recently noticed that if you hold the mouse down on a button and move it, the button doesn't stay highlighted, but instead the highlight flashes. > > Anyone else seeing this? Anyone have a clue as to when it first went south? > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World Systems > Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web > ____________________________________________________________________ > Ambassador at FourthWorld.com http://www.FourthWorld.com > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From chipsm at themartinz.com Sat Apr 3 00:07:46 2021 From: chipsm at themartinz.com (chipsm themartinz.com) Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2021 04:07:46 +0000 Subject: autohilite FUBAR? In-Reply-To: <9CD56A7E-D3DC-4C41-B668-AB1FEC033A97@mac.com> References: <90909a4f-2e2c-80b1-e31c-9c56c9e80dc5@fourthworld.com> <9CD56A7E-D3DC-4C41-B668-AB1FEC033A97@mac.com> Message-ID: I will clarify that my test was on a Windows 10 computer and LiveCode 64. Sincerely, Clarence Martin Email: chipsm at themartinz.com Phone: 626 6965561 -----Original Message----- From: use-livecode On Behalf Of Roger Guay via use-livecode Sent: Friday, April 02, 2021 8:30 PM To: How to use LiveCode Cc: Roger Guay Subject: Re: autohilite FUBAR? Not so for me on Mac OS Big Sur and LC 9.6 Roger > On Apr 2, 2021, at 2:52 PM, chipsm themartinz.com via use-livecode wrote: > > I tested this and it is true. As you move the Mouse across the button (in the mouse-Down) it does flash. > > Sincerely, > > Clarence Martin > Email: chipsm at themartinz.com > Phone: 626 6965561 > > -----Original Message----- > From: use-livecode On Behalf > Of Richard Gaskin via use-livecode > Sent: Friday, April 02, 2021 2:26 PM > To: How to use LiveCode > Cc: Richard Gaskin > Subject: autohilite FUBAR? > > I recently noticed that if you hold the mouse down on a button and move it, the button doesn't stay highlighted, but instead the highlight flashes. > > Anyone else seeing this? Anyone have a clue as to when it first went south? > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World Systems > Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web > ____________________________________________________________________ > Ambassador at FourthWorld.com http://www.FourthWorld.com > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sat Apr 3 01:47:39 2021 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2021 08:47:39 +0300 Subject: autohilite FUBAR? In-Reply-To: <9CD56A7E-D3DC-4C41-B668-AB1FEC033A97@mac.com> References: <90909a4f-2e2c-80b1-e31c-9c56c9e80dc5@fourthworld.com> <9CD56A7E-D3DC-4C41-B668-AB1FEC033A97@mac.com> Message-ID: <4299032b-901b-72e9-bcc3-ea4571b3161f@gmail.com> I can confirm that this does not happen on Mac OS 11 with LC 9.6.1 Richmond On 3.04.21 6:30, Roger Guay via use-livecode wrote: > Not so for me on Mac OS Big Sur and LC 9.6 > > Roger > >> On Apr 2, 2021, at 2:52 PM, chipsm themartinz.com via use-livecode wrote: >> >> I tested this and it is true. As you move the Mouse across the button (in the mouse-Down) it does flash. >> >> Sincerely, >> >> Clarence Martin >> Email: chipsm at themartinz.com >> Phone: 626 6965561 >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: use-livecode On Behalf Of Richard Gaskin via use-livecode >> Sent: Friday, April 02, 2021 2:26 PM >> To: How to use LiveCode >> Cc: Richard Gaskin >> Subject: autohilite FUBAR? >> >> I recently noticed that if you hold the mouse down on a button and move it, the button doesn't stay highlighted, but instead the highlight flashes. >> >> Anyone else seeing this? Anyone have a clue as to when it first went south? >> >> -- >> Richard Gaskin >> Fourth World Systems >> Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web >> ____________________________________________________________________ >> Ambassador at FourthWorld.com http://www.FourthWorld.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From rolf.kocherhans at uzh.ch Sat Apr 3 07:54:55 2021 From: rolf.kocherhans at uzh.ch (Rolf Kocherhans) Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2021 13:54:55 +0200 Subject: WebAssembly and HiDPI scaling for HTML5 when ? Message-ID: <0B8B0DDB-0326-4F0D-ADC0-07F798790735@uzh.ch> Hello LiveCode Engineers I am very patiently waiting for HiDPI scaling and WebAssembly to be incorporated into HTML5 in LiveCode. Looking at the Git pages it seems to be already ready for a very long time ? https://github.com/livecode/livecode/milestone/193 Do you have an estimate when you will be able to release LiveCode 9.7-dp-1 to public ? It has been in development for almost 1 Year now. I would like to push HTML5 development on my side, but the "blurry appearance? of the published stacks with the low resolution is stopping me because it looks very unprofessional for 2021. Please put a little more resources into HTML5 development it would be a real winner for the whole Platform. Regards Rolf From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com Sat Apr 3 11:31:32 2021 From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner) Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2021 11:31:32 -0400 Subject: inputEndEditing out of sequence? Message-ID: Can someone else test this? 9.6.0 ios create a native field have a button that navigates to another card in the script of the card with the field put an onInputEditing handler enter something into the native field hit the button does the onInputEditing fire before or after the card transition? For me, it is firing after the card transition. -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, "This is good." From jiml at netrin.com Sat Apr 3 13:22:28 2021 From: jiml at netrin.com (Jim Lambert) Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2021 10:22:28 -0700 Subject: autohilite FUBAR? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <311F189C-9A0F-4413-B15F-B57370688C33@netrin.com> Richard, On Mac when I hold the mouse down on a LC button, I can move the cursor around within the button and the button remains hilited. As soon as the cursor exits the button the hilite disappears. To me this is the desired behavior one should see on all platforms. Jim Lambert From sean at pidigital.co.uk Sat Apr 3 13:43:09 2021 From: sean at pidigital.co.uk (Sean Cole (Pi)) Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2021 17:43:09 +0000 Subject: Find Replace in Script Editor with cr Message-ID: Hi all, Just wondering if there is a way of replacing using cr in the find/replace panel of the script editor. For example, I have a lot of instances in my inherited code that has 'then put' ... that I want to put over two lines and then, if necessary add an end if later on. Is there a way to insert a cr between 'then' and 'put' from the panel? It would be useful to know for other things too. Cheers Sean From chipsm at themartinz.com Sat Apr 3 13:47:48 2021 From: chipsm at themartinz.com (chipsm themartinz.com) Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2021 17:47:48 +0000 Subject: autohilite FUBAR? In-Reply-To: <311F189C-9A0F-4413-B15F-B57370688C33@netrin.com> References: <311F189C-9A0F-4413-B15F-B57370688C33@netrin.com> Message-ID: Hi Jim. I agree that this should be the behavior on all Os's. On Windows, as you move the mouse across a button, the buttons exhibit a slight flashing effect. It's as though there are some kind of Zones in the button. I've never noticed this until Richard made mention of this activity. It is slightly noticeable, but it is definitely there. Sincerely, Clarence Martin Email: chipsm at themartinz.com Phone: 626 6965561 -----Original Message----- From: use-livecode On Behalf Of Jim Lambert via use-livecode Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2021 10:22 AM To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Cc: Jim Lambert Subject: Re: autohilite FUBAR? Richard, On Mac when I hold the mouse down on a LC button, I can move the cursor around within the button and the button remains hilited. As soon as the cursor exits the button the hilite disappears. To me this is the desired behavior one should see on all platforms. Jim Lambert _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From waprothero at gmail.com Sat Apr 3 20:10:36 2021 From: waprothero at gmail.com (William Prothero) Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2021 17:10:36 -0700 Subject: Help! I'm stuck In-Reply-To: <3BD46D36-55C9-4F6D-A7C7-86AEFD9BA3B6@m-r-d.de> References: <35A8952D-2B1E-40C5-B768-D20D39229ECB@m-r-d.de> <7C23D607-F6E5-4F20-B55A-C703B1166A4A@m-r-d.de> <3BD46D36-55C9-4F6D-A7C7-86AEFD9BA3B6@m-r-d.de> Message-ID: <105D0C78-B22A-45CF-B4C1-7CADF3918F63@gmail.com> Matthias, or anybody: I got side-tracked but am back to needing to build this standalone and guess what the error message from the builder means. This build problem has been known for some time, as Matthias kindly notified me. My question is:Is it possible to tell what stacks are causing the problem, from the builder error codes. I have But it seems a bit odd that I would have to disable the preopenStack, openstack, closestack, preopencard, opencard, etc, etc ad-nauseum. Before I cause myself a bunch of thrashing around changing a bunch of stacks, is there anything in the error dialog that?s attached that would give me a hint as to where this is happening? Also, I wonder if disabling all these open ?. handlers during build might cause build problems. If it was a universal problem/bug, I would think it would have been fixed by LC version 9.6.2 (RC3).??? Thanks for any insight and direction. (I?m on Big Sur 11.2.2). I have 10 stacks and a number of script only lib stacks in this project. Bill Links to the error dialog: page 1: https://www.dropbox.com/s/f4bmxx3zkuoy0zq/ErrorWindow-p1.png?dl=0 page 2: https://www.dropbox.com/s/zc18s3gkzv92w2w/Errors-page-2.pdf?dl=0 > On Mar 20, 2021, at 1:38 PM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode wrote: > > Bill, > > i've just checked the release notes of 9.0.x > The release notes of 9.0.2 contain updated information about this topic and an enhanced script example. > opencard scripts should also be adjusted. > https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/9_0_2/LiveCodeNotes-9_0_2.pdf > > Please excuse me for pointing to 9.0.1rc1 release notes yesterday. > > > Regards > Matthias > > > > > > > - > Matthias Rebbe > Life Is Too Short For Boring Code > >> Am 20.03.2021 um 18:22 schrieb William Prothero via use-livecode : >> >> Matthias: >> I see that openstack and closestack messages are inhibited during application build, using: >> >> on closeStack >> if the mode of stack ?revStandaloneProgress? > 0 then >> exit closeStack >> end if >> end >> >> So, before I start adding this to all openstack, closestack, scripts of my 12 stacks, I'm? wondering if I could mess up the build process by by-passing some of the scripts in these handlers. Is there any way to tell more precisely what is causing the problem? Any recommendations on strategy? Should I just change one stack at a time and look for changes in the error window, or just change all them and wonder what affect that would have on the integrity of the build process? >> >> Also, opencard scripts are also called when a stack in launched and I wonder if those need to be escaped too. >> >> Best, >> Bill >> >>> On Mar 19, 2021, at 5:46 PM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode wrote: >>> >>> Another thing. I am not sure if your problems are also a result of the following, but you could giv it a try. >>> >>> There was something changed in Standalonebuilder process starting in LC 9.0 or so to fix a problem. But this fix could cause other problems in some situation. >>> While before that fix the main stacks did not receive any openstack and closestack messages during standalone build, now with the fixed standalone builder they do. >>> Therefore some lines of code need to be added to avoid this. >>> >>> See here on page 2 for an explanation what you have to add to your openstack and closestack handler >>> https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/9_0_1/LiveCodeNotes-9_0_1_rc_1.pdf >>> >>> >>> - >>> Matthias Rebbe >>> Life Is Too Short For Boring Code >>> >>>> Am 20.03.2021 um 01:31 schrieb ELS Prothero via use-livecode : >>>> >>>> It?s mystifying that all messages seem to come from the rev builder scripts, with no hint of what could be the problem. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> >> William Prothero >> waprothero at gmail.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode William Prothero waprothero at gmail.com From lheaford at icloud.com Sun Apr 4 07:10:38 2021 From: lheaford at icloud.com (Terence Heaford) Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2021 12:10:38 +0100 Subject: Polygons Message-ID: If I draw a shape using a polygon, as an example assume a right angled triangle. Is it possible to hide the line between the points that make up the hypotenuse? Thanks Terry From andre at andregarzia.com Sun Apr 4 07:36:13 2021 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2021 12:36:13 +0100 Subject: "tsnet (1) Received HTTP/0.9 when not allowed"? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <28AF504A-521E-4189-8071-CB40AA142A0F@andregarzia.com> Are you using the time travel external? HTTP/0.9 has been historical for a long while, you can see more about this protocol at: https://medium.com/platform-engineer/evolution-of-http-69cfe6531ba0 To what server you?re connecting? > On 31 Mar 2021, at 20:29, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote: > > I have an LC app that recently started reporting this error when calling a web service we wrote: > > tsnet (1) Received HTTP/0.9 when not allowed > > > Searching around the web I see many varied descriptions of how one might remedy that, but none seem to fit our circumstance. > > Anyone else seen this? What was needed to resolve it? > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World Systems > Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web > ____________________________________________________________________ > Ambassador at FourthWorld.com http://www.FourthWorld.com > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From iangmcknight at gmail.com Sun Apr 4 07:41:46 2021 From: iangmcknight at gmail.com (Ian McKnight) Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2021 12:41:46 +0100 Subject: Polygons In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yes. Polygons use a list of 4 points to describe a triangle. The first and last are the co-ords of the same vertex to ensure closure. If the last point is left out then the line between the last vertex and the first vertex is not drawn. So make sure that your list of points doesn't begin with the right angle vertex and you're good to go. Ian On Sun, 4 Apr 2021 at 12:12, Terence Heaford via use-livecode < use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > If I draw a shape using a polygon, as an example assume a right angled > triangle. > > Is it possible to hide the line between the points that make up the > hypotenuse? > > Thanks > > Terry > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- Regards Ian McKnight iangmcknight at gmail.com ======================= From sean at pidigital.co.uk Sun Apr 4 08:57:32 2021 From: sean at pidigital.co.uk (Sean Cole (Pi)) Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2021 13:57:32 +0100 Subject: Help! I'm stuck In-Reply-To: <105D0C78-B22A-45CF-B4C1-7CADF3918F63@gmail.com> References: <35A8952D-2B1E-40C5-B768-D20D39229ECB@m-r-d.de> <7C23D607-F6E5-4F20-B55A-C703B1166A4A@m-r-d.de> <3BD46D36-55C9-4F6D-A7C7-86AEFD9BA3B6@m-r-d.de> <105D0C78-B22A-45CF-B4C1-7CADF3918F63@gmail.com> Message-ID: ResolveID is referring to the stack, card and object IDs to tie it to your breakpoints. Focus on your main stack. In the Development menu bar, choose Clear All Breakpoints. It?s a good idea to do this every time before a main standalone build. So, Delete all your breakpoints. Then resave. (Close and reopen your stack and LC if you like). Rebuild. It will be ok. Sean On Sun, 4 Apr 2021 at 01:10, William Prothero via use-livecode < use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > Matthias, or anybody: > > I got side-tracked but am back to needing to build this standalone and > guess what the error message from the builder means. This build problem has > been known for some time, as Matthias kindly notified me. > > My question is:Is it possible to tell what stacks are causing the problem, > from the builder error codes. I have But it seems a bit odd that I would > have to disable the preopenStack, openstack, closestack, preopencard, > opencard, etc, etc ad-nauseum. > > Before I cause myself a bunch of thrashing around changing a bunch of > stacks, is there anything in the error dialog that?s attached that would > give me a hint as to where this is happening? Also, I wonder if disabling > all these open ?. handlers during build might cause build problems. If it > was a universal problem/bug, I would think it would have been fixed by LC > version 9.6.2 (RC3).??? > > Thanks for any insight and direction. (I?m on Big Sur 11.2.2). I have 10 > stacks and a number of script only lib stacks in this project. > > Bill > > Links to the error dialog: > page 1: https://www.dropbox.com/s/f4bmxx3zkuoy0zq/ErrorWindow-p1.png?dl=0 > > page 2: https://www.dropbox.com/s/zc18s3gkzv92w2w/Errors-page-2.pdf?dl=0 < > https://www.dropbox.com/s/zc18s3gkzv92w2w/Errors-page-2.pdf?dl=0> > > > On Mar 20, 2021, at 1:38 PM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode < > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > > Bill, > > > > i've just checked the release notes of 9.0.x > > The release notes of 9.0.2 contain updated information about this topic > and an enhanced script example. > > opencard scripts should also be adjusted. > > https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/9_0_2/LiveCodeNotes-9_0_2.pdf > > > > Please excuse me for pointing to 9.0.1rc1 release notes yesterday. > > > > > > Regards > > Matthias > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > Matthias Rebbe > > Life Is Too Short For Boring Code > > > >> Am 20.03.2021 um 18:22 schrieb William Prothero via use-livecode < > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>: > >> > >> Matthias: > >> I see that openstack and closestack messages are inhibited during > application build, using: > >> > >> on closeStack > >> if the mode of stack ?revStandaloneProgress? > 0 then > >> exit closeStack > >> end if > >> end > >> > >> So, before I start adding this to all openstack, closestack, scripts of > my 12 stacks, I'm? wondering if I could mess up the build process by > by-passing some of the scripts in these handlers. Is there any way to tell > more precisely what is causing the problem? Any recommendations on > strategy? Should I just change one stack at a time and look for changes in > the error window, or just change all them and wonder what affect that would > have on the integrity of the build process? > >> > >> Also, opencard scripts are also called when a stack in launched and I > wonder if those need to be escaped too. > >> > >> Best, > >> Bill > >> > >>> On Mar 19, 2021, at 5:46 PM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode < > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> Another thing. I am not sure if your problems are also a result of the > following, but you could giv it a try. > >>> > >>> There was something changed in Standalonebuilder process starting in > LC 9.0 or so to fix a problem. But this fix could cause other problems in > some situation. > >>> While before that fix the main stacks did not receive any openstack > and closestack messages during standalone build, now with the fixed > standalone builder they do. > >>> Therefore some lines of code need to be added to avoid this. > >>> > >>> See here on page 2 for an explanation what you have to add to your > openstack and closestack handler > >>> > https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/9_0_1/LiveCodeNotes-9_0_1_rc_1.pdf > >>> > >>> > >>> - > >>> Matthias Rebbe > >>> Life Is Too Short For Boring Code > >>> > >>>> Am 20.03.2021 um 01:31 schrieb ELS Prothero via use-livecode < > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>: > >>>> > >>>> It?s mystifying that all messages seem to come from the rev builder > scripts, with no hint of what could be the problem. > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> use-livecode mailing list > >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > >> > >> William Prothero > >> waprothero at gmail.com > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> use-livecode mailing list > >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > William Prothero > waprothero at gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- Pi Digital From dvglasgow at gmail.com Sun Apr 4 09:05:39 2021 From: dvglasgow at gmail.com (David V Glasgow) Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2021 14:05:39 +0100 Subject: Star score graphic generator achievable with inks... or...? In-Reply-To: <8A1460AF-37F6-418A-981C-F8DCD73415E7@rogers.com> References:

Message-ID: Hi Put a space in-between the points where you want the line in not be drawn. The shape is still constructed but with missing sides. Ian On Sun, 4 Apr 2021 at 15:02, Terence Heaford via use-livecode < use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > Thanks for that, clearly understood. > > To expand on the original question. If you have a hexagon, is it possible > to only draw lines on sides 1,3,5,6 and no lines on sides 2,4. > > Thanks Terry > > > On 4 Apr 2021, at 12:43, Ian McKnight via use-livecode < > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > > ?Yes. Polygons use a list of 4 points to describe a triangle. The first > and > > last are the co-ords of the same vertex to ensure closure. > > If the last point is left out then the line between the last vertex and > the > > first vertex is not drawn. > > So make sure that your list of points doesn't begin with the right angle > > vertex and you're good to go. > > > > Ian > > > > > >> On Sun, 4 Apr 2021 at 12:12, Terence Heaford via use-livecode < > >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > >> > >> If I draw a shape using a polygon, as an example assume a right angled > >> triangle. > >> > >> Is it possible to hide the line between the points that make up the > >> hypotenuse? > >> > >> Thanks > >> > >> Terry > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> use-livecode mailing list > >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > >> subscription preferences: > >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > >> > > > > > > -- > > Regards > > > > > > Ian McKnight > > > > iangmcknight at gmail.com > > ======================= > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- Regards Ian McKnight iangmcknight at gmail.com ======================= From iangmcknight at gmail.com Sun Apr 4 10:39:54 2021 From: iangmcknight at gmail.com (Ian McKnight) Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2021 15:39:54 +0100 Subject: Polygons In-Reply-To: References:

Message-ID: By a space I mean a blank line! Ian On Sun, 4 Apr 2021 at 15:39, Ian McKnight wrote: > Hi > Put a space in-between the points where you want the line in not be > drawn. The shape is still constructed but with missing sides. > > Ian > > On Sun, 4 Apr 2021 at 15:02, Terence Heaford via use-livecode < > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > >> Thanks for that, clearly understood. >> >> To expand on the original question. If you have a hexagon, is it >> possible to only draw lines on sides 1,3,5,6 and no lines on sides 2,4. >> >> Thanks Terry >> >> > On 4 Apr 2021, at 12:43, Ian McKnight via use-livecode < >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: >> > >> > ?Yes. Polygons use a list of 4 points to describe a triangle. The first >> and >> > last are the co-ords of the same vertex to ensure closure. >> > If the last point is left out then the line between the last vertex and >> the >> > first vertex is not drawn. >> > So make sure that your list of points doesn't begin with the right angle >> > vertex and you're good to go. >> > >> > Ian >> > >> > >> >> On Sun, 4 Apr 2021 at 12:12, Terence Heaford via use-livecode < >> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> If I draw a shape using a polygon, as an example assume a right angled >> >> triangle. >> >> >> >> Is it possible to hide the line between the points that make up the >> >> hypotenuse? >> >> >> >> Thanks >> >> >> >> Terry >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> use-livecode mailing list >> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> >> subscription preferences: >> >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> >> >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Regards >> > >> > >> > Ian McKnight >> > >> > iangmcknight at gmail.com >> > ======================= >> > _______________________________________________ >> > use-livecode mailing list >> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > > > -- > Regards > > > Ian McKnight > > iangmcknight at gmail.com > ======================= > -- Regards Ian McKnight iangmcknight at gmail.com ======================= From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sun Apr 4 12:04:04 2021 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sun, 04 Apr 2021 11:04:04 -0500 Subject: Help! I'm stuck In-Reply-To: <105D0C78-B22A-45CF-B4C1-7CADF3918F63@gmail.com> References: <35A8952D-2B1E-40C5-B768-D20D39229ECB@m-r-d.de> <7C23D607-F6E5-4F20-B55A-C703B1166A4A@m-r-d.de> <3BD46D36-55C9-4F6D-A7C7-86AEFD9BA3B6@m-r-d.de> <105D0C78-B22A-45CF-B4C1-7CADF3918F63@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1789da07d20.27a5.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com> It's not a bug, it was intentionally introduced to allow a couple of features, like retaining script local variables after a build. Given the amount of extra scripting to work around it for existing stacks, I think it may have introduced more problems than it tried to cure. I did try turning off messages before a build but it didn't work. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com On April 3, 2021 7:13:25 PM William Prothero via use-livecode wrote: > Also, I wonder if disabling all these open ?. handlers during build might > cause build problems. If it was a universal problem/bug, I would think it > would have been fixed by LC version 9.6.2 (RC3).??? From ahsoftware at sonic.net Sun Apr 4 12:49:51 2021 From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2021 09:49:51 -0700 Subject: "tsnet (1) Received HTTP/0.9 when not allowed"? In-Reply-To: <28AF504A-521E-4189-8071-CB40AA142A0F@andregarzia.com> References: <28AF504A-521E-4189-8071-CB40AA142A0F@andregarzia.com> Message-ID: <9e826048-5a20-19b1-9028-c813423bebaa@sonic.net> On 4/4/21 4:36 AM, Andre Garzia via use-livecode wrote: > Are you using the time travel external? HTTP/0.9 has been historical for a long while... Nonetheless, I believe 0.9 is still the lowest common denominator fallback mode when the actual level can't otherwise be determined. -- Mark Wieder ahsoftware at gmail.com From lheaford at icloud.com Sun Apr 4 13:02:49 2021 From: lheaford at icloud.com (Terence Heaford) Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2021 18:02:49 +0100 Subject: Polygons In-Reply-To: References:

Message-ID: <70215C55-57EE-4509-9B6C-A7999B45F3A5@icloud.com> When you do this it appears to affect the fill settings. I lose the fill where there are no lines and the closure of the points also moves. I can?t believe it?s LC, it must be me. A simple script example would be useful if you have the time. A square, that?s easy, that has the side lines missing and is filled with a colour. Regards Terry > On 4 Apr 2021, at 15:39, Ian McKnight via use-livecode wrote: > > By a space I mean a blank line! > Ian > > On Sun, 4 Apr 2021 at 15:39, Ian McKnight > wrote: > >> Hi >> Put a space in-between the points where you want the line in not be >> drawn. The shape is still constructed but with missing sides. >> >> Ian >> >> On Sun, 4 Apr 2021 at 15:02, Terence Heaford via use-livecode < >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: >> >>> Thanks for that, clearly understood. >>> >>> To expand on the original question. If you have a hexagon, is it >>> possible to only draw lines on sides 1,3,5,6 and no lines on sides 2,4. >>> >>> Thanks Terry >>> >>>> On 4 Apr 2021, at 12:43, Ian McKnight via use-livecode < >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> ?Yes. Polygons use a list of 4 points to describe a triangle. The first >>> and >>>> last are the co-ords of the same vertex to ensure closure. >>>> If the last point is left out then the line between the last vertex and >>> the >>>> first vertex is not drawn. >>>> So make sure that your list of points doesn't begin with the right angle >>>> vertex and you're good to go. >>>> >>>> Ian >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Sun, 4 Apr 2021 at 12:12, Terence Heaford via use-livecode < >>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> If I draw a shape using a polygon, as an example assume a right angled >>>>> triangle. >>>>> >>>>> Is it possible to hide the line between the points that make up the >>>>> hypotenuse? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks >>>>> >>>>> Terry >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> use-livecode mailing list >>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>>>> subscription preferences: >>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Regards >>>> >>>> >>>> Ian McKnight >>>> >>>> iangmcknight at gmail.com >>>> ======================= >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> use-livecode mailing list >>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>> >> >> >> -- >> Regards >> >> >> Ian McKnight >> >> iangmcknight at gmail.com >> ======================= >> > > > -- > Regards > > > Ian McKnight > > iangmcknight at gmail.com > ======================= > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From iangmcknight at gmail.com Sun Apr 4 13:43:54 2021 From: iangmcknight at gmail.com (Ian McKnight) Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2021 18:43:54 +0100 Subject: Polygons In-Reply-To: <70215C55-57EE-4509-9B6C-A7999B45F3A5@icloud.com> References:

<70215C55-57EE-4509-9B6C-A7999B45F3A5@icloud.com> Message-ID: I have to say that I'm not seeing this. I seem to remember that graphics can't show a fill unless all lines are visible. As a test I created a graphic called "myPoly" . I placed a checkbox called "showSides" (and removed its script) in a button I placed the following script: ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- *on* mouseUp *-- points for a 100 unit square with 4 sides visible* *put* "50,50" &cr& "150,50" &cr& "150,150" &cr& "50,150" &cr& "50,50" &cr into tPointsFor4Lines *-- points for a 100 unit square with alternate sides visible* *put* "50,50" &cr& "150,50" &cr& cr& "150,150" &cr& "50,150" &cr &cr& "50,50" &cr into tPointsFor2Lines *set* the opaque of grc "myPoly" to true *-- ensures fill is visible* *if* the hilite of btn "showSides" is true *then* *set* the points of grc "myPoly" to tPointsFor4Lines *-- all sides showing* *else* *set* the points of grc "myPoly" to tPointsFor2Lines *-- alternate sides showing* *end* *if* *end* mouseUp ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- When you run this and flip between 4 and 2 sides its showing the square is drawn correctly, 4 sides visible - filled and 2 sides visible - not filled If you check the Inspector for the graphic the opaque property hasn't changed. The only way I can think to overcome this is to create another graphic - the same size as your first one, place it underneath your graphic and group them together. Then when all sides are visible you can make this background graphic invisible and when sides are 'missing' make it visible again to provide the fill or simply leave it visible since it won't be seen under your original graphic. When sides 'disappear' and the fill disappears this graphic will then provide your fill. Hope this is of some help Regards Ian On Sun, 4 Apr 2021 at 18:04, Terence Heaford via use-livecode < use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > When you do this it appears to affect the fill settings. I lose the fill > where there are no lines and the closure of the points also moves. > > I can?t believe it?s LC, it must be me. A simple script example would be > useful if you have the time. > > A square, that?s easy, that has the side lines missing and is filled with > a colour. > > Regards > > Terry > > > > On 4 Apr 2021, at 15:39, Ian McKnight via use-livecode < > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > > By a space I mean a blank line! > > Ian > > > > On Sun, 4 Apr 2021 at 15:39, Ian McKnight > wrote: > > > >> Hi > >> Put a space in-between the points where you want the line in not be > >> drawn. The shape is still constructed but with missing sides. > >> > >> Ian > >> > >> On Sun, 4 Apr 2021 at 15:02, Terence Heaford via use-livecode < > >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > >> > >>> Thanks for that, clearly understood. > >>> > >>> To expand on the original question. If you have a hexagon, is it > >>> possible to only draw lines on sides 1,3,5,6 and no lines on sides > 2,4. > >>> > >>> Thanks Terry > >>> > >>>> On 4 Apr 2021, at 12:43, Ian McKnight via use-livecode < > >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> ?Yes. Polygons use a list of 4 points to describe a triangle. The > first > >>> and > >>>> last are the co-ords of the same vertex to ensure closure. > >>>> If the last point is left out then the line between the last vertex > and > >>> the > >>>> first vertex is not drawn. > >>>> So make sure that your list of points doesn't begin with the right > angle > >>>> vertex and you're good to go. > >>>> > >>>> Ian > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> On Sun, 4 Apr 2021 at 12:12, Terence Heaford via use-livecode < > >>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> If I draw a shape using a polygon, as an example assume a right > angled > >>>>> triangle. > >>>>> > >>>>> Is it possible to hide the line between the points that make up the > >>>>> hypotenuse? > >>>>> > >>>>> Thanks > >>>>> > >>>>> Terry > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> use-livecode mailing list > >>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > >>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > >>>>> subscription preferences: > >>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Regards > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Ian McKnight > >>>> > >>>> iangmcknight at gmail.com > >>>> ======================= > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> use-livecode mailing list > >>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > >>> subscription preferences: > >>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> use-livecode mailing list > >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > >>> subscription preferences: > >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > >>> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Regards > >> > >> > >> Ian McKnight > >> > >> iangmcknight at gmail.com > >> ======================= > >> > > > > > > -- > > Regards > > > > > > Ian McKnight > > > > iangmcknight at gmail.com > > ======================= > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode < > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode> > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- Regards Ian McKnight iangmcknight at gmail.com ======================= From lheaford at icloud.com Sun Apr 4 13:56:26 2021 From: lheaford at icloud.com (Terence Heaford) Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2021 18:56:26 +0100 Subject: Polygons In-Reply-To: References:

<70215C55-57EE-4509-9B6C-A7999B45F3A5@icloud.com> Message-ID: Thanks for your example. I am basic filling underneath a line chart to make an area chart but the closing lines to the x-Axis do not have a line. I concluded to draw a polygon twice once with fill and no lines, filled to the x-Axis and overlay it with a similar polygon but not starting/finishing at the x-Axis but finishing at the first/last point. (hope this makes sense). Will play with your example. Thanks Terry > On 4 Apr 2021, at 18:43, Ian McKnight via use-livecode wrote: > > The only way I can think to overcome this is to create another graphic - > the same size as your first one, place it underneath your graphic and group > them together. Then when all sides are visible you can make this background > graphic invisible and when sides are 'missing' make it visible again to > provide the fill or simply leave it visible since it won't be seen under > your original graphic. When sides 'disappear' and the fill disappears this > graphic will then provide your fill. From lheaford at icloud.com Sun Apr 4 14:08:46 2021 From: lheaford at icloud.com (Terence Heaford) Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2021 19:08:46 +0100 Subject: Polygons In-Reply-To: References:

<70215C55-57EE-4509-9B6C-A7999B45F3A5@icloud.com> Message-ID: <6A6038DB-3184-4F33-9CCB-8EA44B087558@icloud.com> OK, I have changed your script by adding these lines to the mouseUp handler set the backgroundColor of grc "myPoly" to red set the forecolor of grc "myPoly" to blue Now if you switch the lines on/off you will see that the fill does not work without all lines. Not sure what this means exactly. Thanks Terry > On 4 Apr 2021, at 18:43, Ian McKnight via use-livecode wrote: > > I have to say that I'm not seeing this. > I seem to remember that graphics can't show a fill unless all lines are > visible. > As a test I created a graphic called "myPoly" . > I placed a checkbox called "showSides" (and removed its script) > in a button I placed the following script: > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > *on* mouseUp > > *-- points for a 100 unit square with 4 sides visible* > > *put* "50,50" &cr& "150,50" &cr& "150,150" &cr& "50,150" &cr& "50,50" &cr > into tPointsFor4Lines > > *-- points for a 100 unit square with alternate sides visible* > > *put* "50,50" &cr& "150,50" &cr& cr& "150,150" &cr& "50,150" &cr &cr& > "50,50" &cr into tPointsFor2Lines > > *set* the opaque of grc "myPoly" to true *-- ensures fill is visible* > > *if* the hilite of btn "showSides" is true > > *then* > > *set* the points of grc "myPoly" to tPointsFor4Lines *-- all sides showing* > > *else* > > *set* the points of grc "myPoly" to tPointsFor2Lines *-- alternate sides > showing* > > *end* *if* > > *end* mouseUp > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > When you run this and flip between 4 and 2 sides its showing the square is > drawn correctly, > > 4 sides visible - filled and 2 sides visible - not filled > > If you check the Inspector for the graphic the opaque property hasn't > changed. > > The only way I can think to overcome this is to create another graphic - > the same size as your first one, place it underneath your graphic and group > them together. Then when all sides are visible you can make this background > graphic invisible and when sides are 'missing' make it visible again to > provide the fill or simply leave it visible since it won't be seen under > your original graphic. When sides 'disappear' and the fill disappears this > graphic will then provide your fill. > > > Hope this is of some help > > Regards > > Ian > > > On Sun, 4 Apr 2021 at 18:04, Terence Heaford via use-livecode < > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > >> When you do this it appears to affect the fill settings. I lose the fill >> where there are no lines and the closure of the points also moves. >> >> I can?t believe it?s LC, it must be me. A simple script example would be >> useful if you have the time. >> >> A square, that?s easy, that has the side lines missing and is filled with >> a colour. >> >> Regards >> >> Terry >> >> >>> On 4 Apr 2021, at 15:39, Ian McKnight via use-livecode < >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: >>> >>> By a space I mean a blank line! >>> Ian >>> >>> On Sun, 4 Apr 2021 at 15:39, Ian McKnight > > wrote: >>> >>>> Hi >>>> Put a space in-between the points where you want the line in not be >>>> drawn. The shape is still constructed but with missing sides. >>>> >>>> Ian >>>> >>>> On Sun, 4 Apr 2021 at 15:02, Terence Heaford via use-livecode < >>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thanks for that, clearly understood. >>>>> >>>>> To expand on the original question. If you have a hexagon, is it >>>>> possible to only draw lines on sides 1,3,5,6 and no lines on sides >> 2,4. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks Terry >>>>> >>>>>> On 4 Apr 2021, at 12:43, Ian McKnight via use-livecode < >>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> ?Yes. Polygons use a list of 4 points to describe a triangle. The >> first >>>>> and >>>>>> last are the co-ords of the same vertex to ensure closure. >>>>>> If the last point is left out then the line between the last vertex >> and >>>>> the >>>>>> first vertex is not drawn. >>>>>> So make sure that your list of points doesn't begin with the right >> angle >>>>>> vertex and you're good to go. >>>>>> >>>>>> Ian >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, 4 Apr 2021 at 12:12, Terence Heaford via use-livecode < >>>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If I draw a shape using a polygon, as an example assume a right >> angled >>>>>>> triangle. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Is it possible to hide the line between the points that make up the >>>>>>> hypotenuse? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Terry >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> use-livecode mailing list >>>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>>>>>> subscription preferences: >>>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Regards >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Ian McKnight >>>>>> >>>>>> iangmcknight at gmail.com >>>>>> ======================= >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> use-livecode mailing list >>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>>>> subscription preferences: >>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> use-livecode mailing list >>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>>>> subscription preferences: >>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Regards >>>> >>>> >>>> Ian McKnight >>>> >>>> iangmcknight at gmail.com >>>> ======================= >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Regards >>> >>> >>> Ian McKnight >>> >>> iangmcknight at gmail.com >>> ======================= >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode < >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > > > -- > Regards > > > Ian McKnight > > iangmcknight at gmail.com > ======================= > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From iangmcknight at gmail.com Sun Apr 4 14:29:50 2021 From: iangmcknight at gmail.com (Ian McKnight) Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2021 19:29:50 +0100 Subject: Polygons In-Reply-To: <6A6038DB-3184-4F33-9CCB-8EA44B087558@icloud.com> References:

<70215C55-57EE-4509-9B6C-A7999B45F3A5@icloud.com> <6A6038DB-3184-4F33-9CCB-8EA44B087558@icloud.com> Message-ID: I would hazard a guess that the fill area needs to be bounded by a line. If a line is missing the fill routine can't determine where the edge of the fill is and so fails, leaving the grc empty. I may be completely wrong on this but it seems logical. Not much help I know but if you want to emphasise the edge of the bar could the special effects settings help? I haven't tried his but have your bar as a filled grc with out an edge and play with internal, external glows and shadows etc to emphasise the outline. Regards Ian On Sun, 4 Apr 2021, 19:10 Terence Heaford via use-livecode, < use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > OK, I have changed your script by adding these lines to the mouseUp handler > > set the backgroundColor of grc "myPoly" to red > > set the forecolor of grc "myPoly" to blue > > > Now if you switch the lines on/off you will see that the fill does not > work without all lines. > > Not sure what this means exactly. > > Thanks > > Terry > > > > On 4 Apr 2021, at 18:43, Ian McKnight via use-livecode < > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > > I have to say that I'm not seeing this. > > I seem to remember that graphics can't show a fill unless all lines are > > visible. > > As a test I created a graphic called "myPoly" . > > I placed a checkbox called "showSides" (and removed its script) > > in a button I placed the following script: > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > *on* mouseUp > > > > *-- points for a 100 unit square with 4 sides visible* > > > > *put* "50,50" &cr& "150,50" &cr& "150,150" &cr& "50,150" &cr& "50,50" &cr > > into tPointsFor4Lines > > > > *-- points for a 100 unit square with alternate sides visible* > > > > *put* "50,50" &cr& "150,50" &cr& cr& "150,150" &cr& "50,150" &cr &cr& > > "50,50" &cr into tPointsFor2Lines > > > > *set* the opaque of grc "myPoly" to true *-- ensures fill is visible* > > > > *if* the hilite of btn "showSides" is true > > > > *then* > > > > *set* the points of grc "myPoly" to tPointsFor4Lines *-- all sides > showing* > > > > *else* > > > > *set* the points of grc "myPoly" to tPointsFor2Lines *-- alternate sides > > showing* > > > > *end* *if* > > > > *end* mouseUp > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > When you run this and flip between 4 and 2 sides its showing the square > is > > drawn correctly, > > > > 4 sides visible - filled and 2 sides visible - not filled > > > > If you check the Inspector for the graphic the opaque property hasn't > > changed. > > > > The only way I can think to overcome this is to create another graphic - > > the same size as your first one, place it underneath your graphic and > group > > them together. Then when all sides are visible you can make this > background > > graphic invisible and when sides are 'missing' make it visible again to > > provide the fill or simply leave it visible since it won't be seen under > > your original graphic. When sides 'disappear' and the fill disappears > this > > graphic will then provide your fill. > > > > > > Hope this is of some help > > > > Regards > > > > Ian > > > > > > On Sun, 4 Apr 2021 at 18:04, Terence Heaford via use-livecode < > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > >> When you do this it appears to affect the fill settings. I lose the fill > >> where there are no lines and the closure of the points also moves. > >> > >> I can?t believe it?s LC, it must be me. A simple script example would be > >> useful if you have the time. > >> > >> A square, that?s easy, that has the side lines missing and is filled > with > >> a colour. > >> > >> Regards > >> > >> Terry > >> > >> > >>> On 4 Apr 2021, at 15:39, Ian McKnight via use-livecode < > >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> By a space I mean a blank line! > >>> Ian > >>> > >>> On Sun, 4 Apr 2021 at 15:39, Ian McKnight >> > wrote: > >>> > >>>> Hi > >>>> Put a space in-between the points where you want the line in not be > >>>> drawn. The shape is still constructed but with missing sides. > >>>> > >>>> Ian > >>>> > >>>> On Sun, 4 Apr 2021 at 15:02, Terence Heaford via use-livecode < > >>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Thanks for that, clearly understood. > >>>>> > >>>>> To expand on the original question. If you have a hexagon, is it > >>>>> possible to only draw lines on sides 1,3,5,6 and no lines on sides > >> 2,4. > >>>>> > >>>>> Thanks Terry > >>>>> > >>>>>> On 4 Apr 2021, at 12:43, Ian McKnight via use-livecode < > >>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> ?Yes. Polygons use a list of 4 points to describe a triangle. The > >> first > >>>>> and > >>>>>> last are the co-ords of the same vertex to ensure closure. > >>>>>> If the last point is left out then the line between the last vertex > >> and > >>>>> the > >>>>>> first vertex is not drawn. > >>>>>> So make sure that your list of points doesn't begin with the right > >> angle > >>>>>> vertex and you're good to go. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Ian > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Sun, 4 Apr 2021 at 12:12, Terence Heaford via use-livecode < > >>>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> If I draw a shape using a polygon, as an example assume a right > >> angled > >>>>>>> triangle. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Is it possible to hide the line between the points that make up the > >>>>>>> hypotenuse? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Thanks > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Terry > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>> use-livecode mailing list > >>>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > >>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > >>>>>>> subscription preferences: > >>>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> Regards > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Ian McKnight > >>>>>> > >>>>>> iangmcknight at gmail.com > >>>>>> ======================= > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>> use-livecode mailing list > >>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > >>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > >>>>> subscription preferences: > >>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> use-livecode mailing list > >>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > >>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > >>>>> subscription preferences: > >>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Regards > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Ian McKnight > >>>> > >>>> iangmcknight at gmail.com > >>>> ======================= > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Regards > >>> > >>> > >>> Ian McKnight > >>> > >>> iangmcknight at gmail.com > >>> ======================= > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> use-livecode mailing list > >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > >> subscription preferences: > >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode < > >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> use-livecode mailing list > >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > >> subscription preferences: > >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > >> > > > > > > -- > > Regards > > > > > > Ian McKnight > > > > iangmcknight at gmail.com > > ======================= > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sun Apr 4 15:12:57 2021 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sun, 04 Apr 2021 14:12:57 -0500 Subject: Polygons In-Reply-To: References:

<70215C55-57EE-4509-9B6C-A7999B45F3A5@icloud.com> <6A6038DB-3184-4F33-9CCB-8EA44B087558@icloud.com> Message-ID: <1789e4d6aa8.27a5.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com> To simulate a graphic with no lines, set the border color to the same color as the fill. Set opaque to true. You could then overlay that with a line graphic that just has the top portion of the graph (no x-axis line.) -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com On April 4, 2021 1:32:26 PM Ian McKnight via use-livecode wrote: > I would hazard a guess that the fill area needs to be bounded by a line. If > a line is missing the fill routine can't determine where the edge of the > fill is and so fails, leaving the grc empty. I may be completely wrong on > this but it seems logical. > > Not much help I know but if you want to emphasise the edge of the bar could > the special effects settings help? I haven't tried his but have your bar as > a filled grc with out an edge and play with internal, external glows and > shadows etc to emphasise the outline. > > Regards > > Ian > > On Sun, 4 Apr 2021, 19:10 Terence Heaford via use-livecode, < > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > >> OK, I have changed your script by adding these lines to the mouseUp handler >> >> set the backgroundColor of grc "myPoly" to red >> >> set the forecolor of grc "myPoly" to blue >> >> >> Now if you switch the lines on/off you will see that the fill does not >> work without all lines. >> >> Not sure what this means exactly. >> >> Thanks >> >> Terry >> >> >> > On 4 Apr 2021, at 18:43, Ian McKnight via use-livecode < >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: >> > >> > I have to say that I'm not seeing this. >> > I seem to remember that graphics can't show a fill unless all lines are >> > visible. >> > As a test I created a graphic called "myPoly" . >> > I placed a checkbox called "showSides" (and removed its script) >> > in a button I placed the following script: >> > >> > >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > >> > *on* mouseUp >> > >> > *-- points for a 100 unit square with 4 sides visible* >> > >> > *put* "50,50" &cr& "150,50" &cr& "150,150" &cr& "50,150" &cr& "50,50" &cr >> > into tPointsFor4Lines >> > >> > *-- points for a 100 unit square with alternate sides visible* >> > >> > *put* "50,50" &cr& "150,50" &cr& cr& "150,150" &cr& "50,150" &cr &cr& >> > "50,50" &cr into tPointsFor2Lines >> > >> > *set* the opaque of grc "myPoly" to true *-- ensures fill is visible* >> > >> > *if* the hilite of btn "showSides" is true >> > >> > *then* >> > >> > *set* the points of grc "myPoly" to tPointsFor4Lines *-- all sides >> showing* >> > >> > *else* >> > >> > *set* the points of grc "myPoly" to tPointsFor2Lines *-- alternate sides >> > showing* >> > >> > *end* *if* >> > >> > *end* mouseUp >> > >> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > >> > When you run this and flip between 4 and 2 sides its showing the square >> is >> > drawn correctly, >> > >> > 4 sides visible - filled and 2 sides visible - not filled >> > >> > If you check the Inspector for the graphic the opaque property hasn't >> > changed. >> > >> > The only way I can think to overcome this is to create another graphic - >> > the same size as your first one, place it underneath your graphic and >> group >> > them together. Then when all sides are visible you can make this >> background >> > graphic invisible and when sides are 'missing' make it visible again to >> > provide the fill or simply leave it visible since it won't be seen under >> > your original graphic. When sides 'disappear' and the fill disappears >> this >> > graphic will then provide your fill. >> > >> > >> > Hope this is of some help >> > >> > Regards >> > >> > Ian >> > >> > >> > On Sun, 4 Apr 2021 at 18:04, Terence Heaford via use-livecode < >> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: >> > >> >> When you do this it appears to affect the fill settings. I lose the fill >> >> where there are no lines and the closure of the points also moves. >> >> >> >> I can?t believe it?s LC, it must be me. A simple script example would be >> >> useful if you have the time. >> >> >> >> A square, that?s easy, that has the side lines missing and is filled >> with >> >> a colour. >> >> >> >> Regards >> >> >> >> Terry >> >> >> >> >> >>> On 4 Apr 2021, at 15:39, Ian McKnight via use-livecode < >> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> By a space I mean a blank line! >> >>> Ian >> >>> >> >>> On Sun, 4 Apr 2021 at 15:39, Ian McKnight > >> > wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> Hi >> >>>> Put a space in-between the points where you want the line in not be >> >>>> drawn. The shape is still constructed but with missing sides. >> >>>> >> >>>> Ian >> >>>> >> >>>> On Sun, 4 Apr 2021 at 15:02, Terence Heaford via use-livecode < >> >>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>>> Thanks for that, clearly understood. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> To expand on the original question. If you have a hexagon, is it >> >>>>> possible to only draw lines on sides 1,3,5,6 and no lines on sides >> >> 2,4. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Thanks Terry >> >>>>> >> >>>>>> On 4 Apr 2021, at 12:43, Ian McKnight via use-livecode < >> >>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> ?Yes. Polygons use a list of 4 points to describe a triangle. The >> >> first >> >>>>> and >> >>>>>> last are the co-ords of the same vertex to ensure closure. >> >>>>>> If the last point is left out then the line between the last vertex >> >> and >> >>>>> the >> >>>>>> first vertex is not drawn. >> >>>>>> So make sure that your list of points doesn't begin with the right >> >> angle >> >>>>>> vertex and you're good to go. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Ian >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>> On Sun, 4 Apr 2021 at 12:12, Terence Heaford via use-livecode < >> >>>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> If I draw a shape using a polygon, as an example assume a right >> >> angled >> >>>>>>> triangle. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Is it possible to hide the line between the points that make up the >> >>>>>>> hypotenuse? >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Thanks >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Terry >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>>> use-livecode mailing list >> >>>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> >>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> >>>>>>> subscription preferences: >> >>>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> -- >> >>>>>> Regards >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Ian McKnight >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> iangmcknight at gmail.com >> >>>>>> ======================= >> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>> use-livecode mailing list >> >>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> >>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> >>>>> subscription preferences: >> >>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> >>>>> >> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>> use-livecode mailing list >> >>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> >>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> >>>>> subscription preferences: >> >>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> >>>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> -- >> >>>> Regards >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> Ian McKnight >> >>>> >> >>>> iangmcknight at gmail.com >> >>>> ======================= >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> Regards >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Ian McKnight >> >>> >> >>> iangmcknight at gmail.com >> >>> ======================= >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> use-livecode mailing list >> >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> >> subscription preferences: >> >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode < >> >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> use-livecode mailing list >> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> >> subscription preferences: >> >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> >> >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Regards >> > >> > >> > Ian McKnight >> > >> > iangmcknight at gmail.com >> > ======================= >> > _______________________________________________ >> > use-livecode mailing list >> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From marksmithhfx at gmail.com Sun Apr 4 16:30:22 2021 From: marksmithhfx at gmail.com (Mark Smith) Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2021 21:30:22 +0100 Subject: Behaviors and scripts and a new handler structure... In-Reply-To: <7616939A-1B41-4D9A-A98D-539AA3203AB8@iotecdigital.com> References: <10aac071-5d82-91f9-f189-4b40f8233194@researchware.com> <7616939A-1B41-4D9A-A98D-539AA3203AB8@iotecdigital.com> Message-ID: Hi Bob, If you have a bit of time, could you tell us a bit more about how? Thanks, Mark > On Apr 2, 2021, at 12:42 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote: > > I have already implemented this with the help of others, for Datagrids. I think it works already for other things. > > Bob S > > >> On Apr 1, 2021, at 12:51 , Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote: >> >> I have increasingly been using behaviors in my applications where it makes sense to assign a script to multiple objects or to override the actions of existing script handlers by assign a behavior with different version of those handlers. >> >> The one thing I dislike about behaviors is all the objects I need to create (a button for this behavior another button for that behavior script and so on). >> >> I'd love to see a new LCS structure like the following: >> >> behavior >> >> >> >> end >> >> that you can just have in a script. Even multiple behaviors in the same script perhaps each with their own 'mouseUp' handlers and then you can set the behavior of an object to a behavior name and done. Obviously, any messages (i.e mouseDown, mouseUp, etc. etc.) in the behavior block should never received a mouseDown, mouseUp, etc. message unless sent to the object tat have the behavior assigned to it. >> >> I think it would make code maintenance potentially much easier. I don't have any idea how much of a engine change such a addition to the language would represent. >> >> Anyone else think this is a good idea? > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From irog at mac.com Sun Apr 4 18:56:34 2021 From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay) Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2021 15:56:34 -0700 Subject: Lock/Unlock Screen of another stack Message-ID: Hi all, I have a button on one stack that hides and shows controls of another stack. Is it possible to add Lock screen for effect and Unlock screen with effect in that button? Can?t seem to make it work?. Thx, Roger From klaus at major-k.de Sun Apr 4 19:50:22 2021 From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2021 01:50:22 +0200 Subject: Lock/Unlock Screen of another stack In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Roger, > Am 05.04.2021 um 00:56 schrieb Roger Guay via use-livecode : > > Hi all, > > I have a button on one stack that hides and shows controls of another stack. Is it possible to add Lock screen for effect and Unlock screen with effect in that button? Can?t seem to make it work?. a shot in the dark, but does setting the defaultstack first help? But maybe you already tried that. > Thx, > > Roger Best Klaus -- Klaus Major https://www.major-k.de https://www.major-k.de/bass klaus at major-k.de From ambassador at fourthworld.com Sun Apr 4 20:00:00 2021 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2021 17:00:00 -0700 Subject: "tsnet (1) Received HTTP/0.9 when not allowed"? In-Reply-To: <28AF504A-521E-4189-8071-CB40AA142A0F@andregarzia.com> References: <28AF504A-521E-4189-8071-CB40AA142A0F@andregarzia.com> Message-ID: curl is reporting the default because the data it's receiving is zero length: http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-livecode/2021-April/264146.html -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Systems Andre Garzia wrote:> Are you using the time travel external? HTTP/0.9 has been historical for a long while, you can see more about this protocol at: > > https://medium.com/platform-engineer/evolution-of-http-69cfe6531ba0 > > To what server you?re connecting? > >> On 31 Mar 2021, at 20:29, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote: >> >> I have an LC app that recently started reporting this error when calling a web service we wrote: >> >> tsnet (1) Received HTTP/0.9 when not allowed >> >> >> Searching around the web I see many varied descriptions of how one might remedy that, but none seem to fit our circumstance. >> >> Anyone else seen this? What was needed to resolve it? >> >> -- >> Richard Gaskin >> Fourth World Systems From ambassador at fourthworld.com Sun Apr 4 20:25:04 2021 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2021 17:25:04 -0700 Subject: autohilite FUBAR? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks for the feedback, Clarence and Jim. I found a report for this originally specifying Android only (where I first noticed it), and added a note about the scope affecting both Windows and Linux too: https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=22965#c6 -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Systems > chipsm themartinz.com chipsm at themartinz.com > Sat Apr 3 13:47:48 EDT 2021 > Hi Jim. I agree that this should be the behavior on all Os's. On Windows, as you move the mouse across a button, the buttons exhibit a slight flashing effect. It's as though there are some kind of Zones in the button. > I've never noticed this until Richard made mention of this activity. It is slightly noticeable, but it is definitely there. > > Sincerely, > > Clarence Martin > Email: chipsm at themartinz.com > Phone: 626 6965561 > > -----Original Message----- > From: use-livecode On Behalf Of Jim Lambert via use-livecode > > Richard, > > On Mac when I hold the mouse down on a LC button, I can move the cursor around within the button and the button remains hilited. > As soon as the cursor exits the button the hilite disappears. > To me this is the desired behavior one should see on all platforms. > > Jim Lambert From irog at mac.com Sun Apr 4 22:34:42 2021 From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay) Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2021 19:34:42 -0700 Subject: Lock/Unlock Screen of another stack In-Reply-To: References:

Message-ID: <83F82EAE-581E-4C2C-8420-BA269A41993C@mac.com> Hi Klaus, > On Apr 4, 2021, at 4:50 PM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote: > > Hi Roger, > >> Am 05.04.2021 um 00:56 schrieb Roger Guay via use-livecode : >> >> Hi all, >> >> I have a button on one stack that hides and shows controls of another stack. Is it possible to add Lock screen for effect and Unlock screen with effect in that button? Can?t seem to make it work?. > > a shot in the dark, but does setting the defaultstack first help? > But maybe you already tried that. I did try that but to no avail. However, I solved my problem by putting the guts of the script inside a handler in the stack I want to control. I then just call that handler from the stack that is controlling. Works great . . . probably a better way to go anyway. Thanks for your help Roger > >> Thx, >> >> Roger > > Best > > Klaus > > -- > Klaus Major > https://www.major-k.de > https://www.major-k.de/bass > klaus at major-k.de > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From lheaford at icloud.com Mon Apr 5 04:39:55 2021 From: lheaford at icloud.com (Terence Heaford) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2021 09:39:55 +0100 Subject: Polygons In-Reply-To: References:

<70215C55-57EE-4509-9B6C-A7999B45F3A5@icloud.com> <6A6038DB-3184-4F33-9CCB-8EA44B087558@icloud.com> Message-ID: <6871EF63-7A84-4349-96CC-B0B586BCDBB1@icloud.com> I also have concluded this. If you miss out lines the opaque setting is irrelevant, it functions as being false. Is this a bug? My work around is two polygons one underneath (filled) and the other on top (with lines) You could just draw lines between the points that need them, using a polygon as a line. I have tried this and it does not impact performance. Thanks for all your help Terry > On 4 Apr 2021, at 19:29, Ian McKnight via use-livecode wrote: > > I would hazard a guess that the fill area needs to be bounded by a line. If > a line is missing the fill routine can't determine where the edge of the > fill is and so fails, leaving the grc empty. I may be completely wrong on > this but it seems logical. > > Not much help I know but if you want to emphasise the edge of the bar could > the special effects settings help? I haven't tried his but have your bar as > a filled grc with out an edge and play with internal, external glows and > shadows etc to emphasise the outline. > > Regards > > Ian From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Mon Apr 5 05:01:34 2021 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2021 12:01:34 +0300 Subject: Polygons In-Reply-To: <6871EF63-7A84-4349-96CC-B0B586BCDBB1@icloud.com> References:

<70215C55-57EE-4509-9B6C-A7999B45F3A5@icloud.com> <6A6038DB-3184-4F33-9CCB-8EA44B087558@icloud.com> <6871EF63-7A84-4349-96CC-B0B586BCDBB1@icloud.com> Message-ID: The problem is that the borders of a polygon are integral parts of that polygon and not somehow detachable; even if their width is set to 0 they are still there. Were it possible to set the widths of sides individually things would be quite different, but to achieve this one would probably have to assemble some of composite object (c.f. dataGrids). Richmond. On Mon, 5 Apr 2021 11:41 Terence Heaford via use-livecode, < use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > I also have concluded this. > > If you miss out lines the opaque setting is irrelevant, it functions as > being false. > > Is this a bug? > > My work around is two polygons one underneath (filled) and the other on > top (with lines) > > You could just draw lines between the points that need them, using a > polygon as a line. I have tried this and it does not impact performance. > > Thanks for all your help > > Terry > > > > > > On 4 Apr 2021, at 19:29, Ian McKnight via use-livecode < > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > > I would hazard a guess that the fill area needs to be bounded by a line. > If > > a line is missing the fill routine can't determine where the edge of the > > fill is and so fails, leaving the grc empty. I may be completely wrong on > > this but it seems logical. > > > > Not much help I know but if you want to emphasise the edge of the bar > could > > the special effects settings help? I haven't tried his but have your bar > as > > a filled grc with out an edge and play with internal, external glows and > > shadows etc to emphasise the outline. > > > > Regards > > > > Ian > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From andre at andregarzia.com Mon Apr 5 05:40:59 2021 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2021 10:40:59 +0100 Subject: "tsnet (1) Received HTTP/0.9 when not allowed"? In-Reply-To: References: <28AF504A-521E-4189-8071-CB40AA142A0F@andregarzia.com> Message-ID: oh, I see?. Just catch up on the thread and saw the font loading issue. I can see how that becomes even more interesting to implement. > On 5 Apr 2021, at 01:00, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote: > > curl is reporting the default because the data it's receiving is zero length: > http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-livecode/2021-April/264146.html > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World Systems > > > > Andre Garzia wrote:> Are you using the time travel external? HTTP/0.9 has been historical for a long while, you can see more about this protocol at: >> https://medium.com/platform-engineer/evolution-of-http-69cfe6531ba0 >> To what server you?re connecting? >>> On 31 Mar 2021, at 20:29, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote: >>> I have an LC app that recently started reporting this error when calling a web service we wrote: >>> tsnet (1) Received HTTP/0.9 when not allowed >>> Searching around the web I see many varied descriptions of how one might remedy that, but none seem to fit our circumstance. >>> Anyone else seen this? What was needed to resolve it? >>> -- >>> Richard Gaskin >>> Fourth World Systems > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From craig at starfirelighting.com Mon Apr 5 10:19:29 2021 From: craig at starfirelighting.com (Craig Newman) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2021 10:19:29 -0400 Subject: Find Replace in Script Editor with cr In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9905ACCB-9ED2-4CAA-B49E-652C5BC20DB3@starfirelighting.com> Hi. Do you mean something like ?replace ?then put? with ?then /? & return & ?put? in yourScript? > On Apr 3, 2021, at 1:43 PM, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode wrote: > > Hi all, > > Just wondering if there is a way of replacing using cr in the find/replace > panel of the script editor. For example, I have a lot of instances in my > inherited code that has 'then put' ... that I want to put over two lines > and then, if necessary add an end if later on. Is there a way to insert a > cr between 'then' and 'put' from the panel? It would be useful to know for > other things too. > > Cheers > > Sean > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From craig at starfirelighting.com Mon Apr 5 10:22:32 2021 From: craig at starfirelighting.com (Craig Newman) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2021 10:22:32 -0400 Subject: Find Replace in Script Editor with cr In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Of course you have to extract the script first (it is a property) then work it, then reset the property/ Craig > On Apr 3, 2021, at 1:43 PM, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode wrote: > > Hi all, > > Just wondering if there is a way of replacing using cr in the find/replace > panel of the script editor. For example, I have a lot of instances in my > inherited code that has 'then put' ... that I want to put over two lines > and then, if necessary add an end if later on. Is there a way to insert a > cr between 'then' and 'put' from the panel? It would be useful to know for > other things too. > > Cheers > > Sean > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From panos.merakos at livecode.com Mon Apr 5 10:33:59 2021 From: panos.merakos at livecode.com (panagiotis merakos) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2021 17:33:59 +0300 Subject: [ANN] This Week in LiveCode 261 Message-ID: Hi all, Read about new developments in LiveCode open source and the open source community in today's edition of the "This Week in LiveCode" newsletter! Read issue #261 here: https://bit.ly/3fHxxNW This is a weekly newsletter about LiveCode, focussing on what's been going on in and around the open source project. New issues will be released weekly on Mondays. We have a dedicated mailing list that will deliver each issue directly to your e-mail, so you don't miss any! If you have anything you'd like mentioned (a project, a discussion somewhere, an upcoming event) then please get in touch. -- Panagiotis Merakos LiveCode Software Developer Everyone Can Create Apps From sean at pidigital.co.uk Mon Apr 5 11:42:21 2021 From: sean at pidigital.co.uk (Sean Cole (Pi)) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2021 16:42:21 +0100 Subject: Find Replace in Script Editor with cr In-Reply-To: References:

Message-ID: No. I mean using the find/replace tool panel of the script editor to insert line feed characters to create a new line. For instance, suppose I have multiple commands on one line separated by ; and I want to search for semicolon and replace with semicolon followed by return character to drop the remaining script onto a new line. That kind of thing. It?s just easier than taking the whole script and pasting into another text editor to do the same operation. With 17,000 scripts to go through, it?s a bit tedious doing it by copy paste fix copy paste all the time. On Mon, 5 Apr 2021 at 15:22, Craig Newman via use-livecode < use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > Of course you have to extract the script first (it is a property) then > work it, then reset the property/ > > Craig > > > On Apr 3, 2021, at 1:43 PM, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode < > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > > > Just wondering if there is a way of replacing using cr in the > find/replace > > panel of the script editor. For example, I have a lot of instances in my > > inherited code that has 'then put' ... that I want to put over two lines > > and then, if necessary add an end if later on. Is there a way to insert a > > cr between 'then' and 'put' from the panel? It would be useful to know > for > > other things too. > > > > Cheers > > > > Sean > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- Pi Digital From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com Mon Apr 5 11:51:07 2021 From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2021 15:51:07 +0000 Subject: Find Replace in Script Editor with cr In-Reply-To: References:

Message-ID: <7EE125B8-E038-429A-A27E-49F53D356943@iotecdigital.com> Probably want to use regex then. Bob S > On Apr 5, 2021, at 08:42 , Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode wrote: > > No. I mean using the find/replace tool panel of the script editor to insert > line feed characters to create a new line. > > For instance, suppose I have multiple commands on one line separated by ; > and I want to search for semicolon and replace with semicolon followed by > return character to drop the remaining script onto a new line. That kind of > thing. It?s just easier than taking the whole script and pasting into > another text editor to do the same operation. With 17,000 scripts to go > through, it?s a bit tedious doing it by copy paste fix copy paste all the > time. From brian at milby7.com Mon Apr 5 11:56:50 2021 From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2021 11:56:50 -0400 Subject: Find Replace in Script Editor with cr In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2CB9BB02-76A6-4AD4-AA18-58CE1FF8F1EC@milby7.com> If using Atom would be helpful for your task, then ScriptTracker could facilitate that: https://github.com/bwmilby/scriptTracker It exports all of the scripts of a stack to files and can watch that directory for changes and automatically import the changes back into the stack. (I would be curious at the performance on a project that large.) Another option would be to use the code from button 1003 as inspiration to write a script that would make your change in all scripts in a stack (thinking of the logic that I used to get to every script of a stack without going into shared objects more than once). I know you didn?t want to deal with doing it in code, but just wanted to offer a possibility. Thanks, Brian Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 5, 2021, at 11:44 AM, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode wrote: > > ?No. I mean using the find/replace tool panel of the script editor to insert > line feed characters to create a new line. > > For instance, suppose I have multiple commands on one line separated by ; > and I want to search for semicolon and replace with semicolon followed by > return character to drop the remaining script onto a new line. That kind of > thing. It?s just easier than taking the whole script and pasting into > another text editor to do the same operation. With 17,000 scripts to go > through, it?s a bit tedious doing it by copy paste fix copy paste all the > time. > >> On Mon, 5 Apr 2021 at 15:22, Craig Newman via use-livecode < >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: >> >> Of course you have to extract the script first (it is a property) then >> work it, then reset the property/ >> >> Craig >> >>> On Apr 3, 2021, at 1:43 PM, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode < >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> Just wondering if there is a way of replacing using cr in the >> find/replace >>> panel of the script editor. For example, I have a lot of instances in my >>> inherited code that has 'then put' ... that I want to put over two lines >>> and then, if necessary add an end if later on. Is there a way to insert a >>> cr between 'then' and 'put' from the panel? It would be useful to know >> for >>> other things too. >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> Sean >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > -- > Pi Digital > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From ambassador at fourthworld.com Mon Apr 5 13:23:48 2021 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2021 10:23:48 -0700 Subject: Find Replace in Script Editor with cr In-Reply-To: <2CB9BB02-76A6-4AD4-AA18-58CE1FF8F1EC@milby7.com> References: <2CB9BB02-76A6-4AD4-AA18-58CE1FF8F1EC@milby7.com> Message-ID: <17ceea13-d17e-575a-eb7a-c6498fa941d1@fourthworld.com> The Find feature in the Script Editor is limited to the script being viewed. For larger-scope searches type Cmd-F in any other window. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Systems Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web ____________________________________________________________________ Ambassador at FourthWorld.com http://www.FourthWorld.com From waprothero at gmail.com Mon Apr 5 17:40:47 2021 From: waprothero at gmail.com (William Prothero) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2021 14:40:47 -0700 Subject: Help! I'm stuck In-Reply-To: <1789da07d20.27a5.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com> References: <35A8952D-2B1E-40C5-B768-D20D39229ECB@m-r-d.de> <7C23D607-F6E5-4F20-B55A-C703B1166A4A@m-r-d.de> <3BD46D36-55C9-4F6D-A7C7-86AEFD9BA3B6@m-r-d.de> <105D0C78-B22A-45CF-B4C1-7CADF3918F63@gmail.com> <1789da07d20.27a5.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: Thanks so much, Sean and Jacqueline! I?ll try that. Bill > On Apr 4, 2021, at 9:04 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote: > > It's not a bug, it was intentionally introduced to allow a couple of features, like retaining script local variables after a build. Given the amount of extra scripting to work around it for existing stacks, I think it may have introduced more problems than it tried to cure. > > I did try turning off messages before a build but it didn't work. > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > On April 3, 2021 7:13:25 PM William Prothero via use-livecode wrote: > >> Also, I wonder if disabling all these open ?. handlers during build might cause build problems. If it was a universal problem/bug, I would think it would have been fixed by LC version 9.6.2 (RC3).??? > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode William Prothero waprothero at gmail.com From waprothero at gmail.com Mon Apr 5 17:50:08 2021 From: waprothero at gmail.com (William Prothero) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2021 14:50:08 -0700 Subject: Help! I'm stuck In-Reply-To: References: <35A8952D-2B1E-40C5-B768-D20D39229ECB@m-r-d.de> <7C23D607-F6E5-4F20-B55A-C703B1166A4A@m-r-d.de> <3BD46D36-55C9-4F6D-A7C7-86AEFD9BA3B6@m-r-d.de> <105D0C78-B22A-45CF-B4C1-7CADF3918F63@gmail.com>

Message-ID: <3C584973-7514-4E3B-A7C0-6DED47DC5078@gmail.com> Hot Dang! It built the App. Sean and Jacqueline, you made my day! Thanks! Bill > On Apr 4, 2021, at 6:08 AM, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode wrote: > > You can also turn off messages and errors from the Toolbar before you > build. This should prevent any pre/open or pre/close scripts from running. > And make sure all inspectors, message box and project browser are closed > too as well as any windows/stacks other than your main stack. > > Sean > > On Sun, 4 Apr 2021 at 13:57, Sean Cole (Pi) wrote: > >> ResolveID is referring to the stack, card and object IDs to tie it to your >> breakpoints. >> >> Focus on your main stack. In the Development menu bar, choose Clear All >> Breakpoints. It?s a good idea to do this every time before a main >> standalone build. >> >> So, Delete all your breakpoints. Then resave. (Close and reopen your stack >> and LC if you like). Rebuild. It will be ok. >> >> Sean >> >> On Sun, 4 Apr 2021 at 01:10, William Prothero via use-livecode < >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: >> >>> Matthias, or anybody: >>> >>> I got side-tracked but am back to needing to build this standalone and >>> guess what the error message from the builder means. This build problem has >>> been known for some time, as Matthias kindly notified me. >>> >>> My question is:Is it possible to tell what stacks are causing the >>> problem, from the builder error codes. I have But it seems a bit odd that I >>> would have to disable the preopenStack, openstack, closestack, preopencard, >>> opencard, etc, etc ad-nauseum. >>> >>> Before I cause myself a bunch of thrashing around changing a bunch of >>> stacks, is there anything in the error dialog that?s attached that would >>> give me a hint as to where this is happening? Also, I wonder if disabling >>> all these open ?. handlers during build might cause build problems. If it >>> was a universal problem/bug, I would think it would have been fixed by LC >>> version 9.6.2 (RC3).??? >>> >>> Thanks for any insight and direction. (I?m on Big Sur 11.2.2). I have 10 >>> stacks and a number of script only lib stacks in this project. >>> >>> Bill >>> >>> Links to the error dialog: >>> page 1: https://www.dropbox.com/s/f4bmxx3zkuoy0zq/ErrorWindow-p1.png?dl=0 >>> >>> page 2: https://www.dropbox.com/s/zc18s3gkzv92w2w/Errors-page-2.pdf?dl=0 >>> >>> >>>> On Mar 20, 2021, at 1:38 PM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode < >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Bill, >>>> >>>> i've just checked the release notes of 9.0.x >>>> The release notes of 9.0.2 contain updated information about this topic >>> and an enhanced script example. >>>> opencard scripts should also be adjusted. >>>> https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/9_0_2/LiveCodeNotes-9_0_2.pdf >>>> >>>> Please excuse me for pointing to 9.0.1rc1 release notes yesterday. >>>> >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> Matthias >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> - >>>> Matthias Rebbe >>>> Life Is Too Short For Boring Code >>>> >>>>> Am 20.03.2021 um 18:22 schrieb William Prothero via use-livecode < >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>: >>>>> >>>>> Matthias: >>>>> I see that openstack and closestack messages are inhibited during >>> application build, using: >>>>> >>>>> on closeStack >>>>> if the mode of stack ?revStandaloneProgress? > 0 then >>>>> exit closeStack >>>>> end if >>>>> end >>>>> >>>>> So, before I start adding this to all openstack, closestack, scripts >>> of my 12 stacks, I'm? wondering if I could mess up the build process by >>> by-passing some of the scripts in these handlers. Is there any way to tell >>> more precisely what is causing the problem? Any recommendations on >>> strategy? Should I just change one stack at a time and look for changes in >>> the error window, or just change all them and wonder what affect that would >>> have on the integrity of the build process? >>>>> >>>>> Also, opencard scripts are also called when a stack in launched and I >>> wonder if those need to be escaped too. >>>>> >>>>> Best, >>>>> Bill >>>>> >>>>>> On Mar 19, 2021, at 5:46 PM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode < >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Another thing. I am not sure if your problems are also a result of >>> the following, but you could giv it a try. >>>>>> >>>>>> There was something changed in Standalonebuilder process starting in >>> LC 9.0 or so to fix a problem. But this fix could cause other problems in >>> some situation. >>>>>> While before that fix the main stacks did not receive any openstack >>> and closestack messages during standalone build, now with the fixed >>> standalone builder they do. >>>>>> Therefore some lines of code need to be added to avoid this. >>>>>> >>>>>> See here on page 2 for an explanation what you have to add to your >>> openstack and closestack handler >>>>>> >>> https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/9_0_1/LiveCodeNotes-9_0_1_rc_1.pdf >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> - >>>>>> Matthias Rebbe >>>>>> Life Is Too Short For Boring Code >>>>>> >>>>>>> Am 20.03.2021 um 01:31 schrieb ELS Prothero via use-livecode < >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It?s mystifying that all messages seem to come from the rev builder >>> scripts, with no hint of what could be the problem. >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> use-livecode mailing list >>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>>>> >>>>> William Prothero >>>>> waprothero at gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> use-livecode mailing list >>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> use-livecode mailing list >>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>> >>> William Prothero >>> waprothero at gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>> >> -- >> Pi Digital >> > -- > Pi Digital > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode William Prothero waprothero at gmail.com From sean at pidigital.co.uk Tue Apr 6 01:26:51 2021 From: sean at pidigital.co.uk (Sean Cole (Pi)) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2021 06:26:51 +0100 Subject: Find Replace in Script Editor with cr In-Reply-To: <17ceea13-d17e-575a-eb7a-c6498fa941d1@fourthworld.com> References: <2CB9BB02-76A6-4AD4-AA18-58CE1FF8F1EC@milby7.com> <17ceea13-d17e-575a-eb7a-c6498fa941d1@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: Bob, Regex only appears to operate on the read of the text, so ; in the *find* field will locate all of the places a semicolon is found, but putting /n into the *replace* field will not replace the ; with a cr Brian, The project is huge and I don't yet have the time to invest in porting it all to github just yet. As it is I have created my own simple regex text operator that I copy/paste the script into. https://www.dropbox.com/s/glq6pco70d3zgt3/Screenshot%202021-04-06%20at%2006.21.22.png?dl=0 Richard, I've tried in the Find, Find and replace of the script editor and the Find/Replace from the main menu. I can't seem to place a carriage return (or line feed or whatever) into the replacement field. This is what I am trying to achieve. Replace ";" with "cr" in myScript. I can do it in code, but not from the find/replace windows. :( Sean From toolbook at kestner.de Tue Apr 6 05:36:56 2021 From: toolbook at kestner.de (toolbook at kestner.de) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2021 11:36:56 +0200 Subject: How do you handle 32/64 bit Windows standalones? Message-ID: <077301d72ac8$62ccbe50$28663af0$@kestner.de> Hello, When creating a Windows standalone, are you still creating the 32Bit standalone or only anymore 64 Bit Versions of your products? I know, that Microsoft doesn't delivers 32 Bit Versions anymore since 2020, but I didn't found statistics about the current shares of 32/64 Bit Windows Systems out there (in Germany). Are there any caveats against going on with 32 Bit versions for some more years? How do you handle this today? From sundown.pacifier at icloud.com Tue Apr 6 05:47:34 2021 From: sundown.pacifier at icloud.com (John Balgenorth) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2021 02:47:34 -0700 Subject: Find Replace in Script Editor with cr In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I haven?t been following this subject that close so I could be missing completely with my answer, but when writing code in C or C++ the /n is simply a / and n characters not a carriage return. The \n is used for a new line which is a carriage return. If I am missing the point just ignore the post. Forward slash n (/n) does not make a new line. Back slash n (\n) does make a new line. JB > On Apr 5, 2021, at 10:28 PM, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode wrote: > > ?Bob, Regex only appears to operate on the read of the text, so > ; > in the *find* field will locate all of the places a semicolon is found, but > putting > /n > into the *replace* field will not replace the ; with a cr > > Brian, The project is huge and I don't yet have the time to invest in > porting it all to github just yet. As it is I have created my own simple > regex text operator that I copy/paste the script into. > > https://www.dropbox.com/s/glq6pco70d3zgt3/Screenshot%202021-04-06%20at%2006.21.22.png?dl=0 > > Richard, I've tried in the Find, Find and replace of the script editor and > the Find/Replace from the main menu. I can't seem to place a carriage > return (or line feed or whatever) into the replacement field. This is what > I am trying to achieve. Replace ";" with "cr" in myScript. I can do it in > code, but not from the find/replace windows. :( > > Sean > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de Tue Apr 6 06:02:22 2021 From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2021 12:02:22 +0200 Subject: How do you handle 32/64 bit Windows standalones? In-Reply-To: <077301d72ac8$62ccbe50$28663af0$@kestner.de> References: <077301d72ac8$62ccbe50$28663af0$@kestner.de> Message-ID: <90A42531-2D73-41AB-A2E5-4211A77231F3@m-r-d.de> Windows 8 was available as 32 and 64 bit. The support for that OS by Microsoft ends 23.01.2023. Windows 10 also was (and maybe still is) available as 32bit and 64 bit. If i recall it correctly starting with Win10 2004 only 64bit OEM versions werereleased. As long as there might be users who have a 32bit version of Windows running and as long as LC allows to create 32bit Windows standalones, i will create 32bit Windows standalones. Matthias - Matthias Rebbe Life Is Too Short For Boring Code > Am 06.04.2021 um 11:36 schrieb Tiemo via use-livecode : > > Hello, > > > > When creating a Windows standalone, are you still creating the 32Bit > standalone or only anymore 64 Bit Versions of your products? > > I know, that Microsoft doesn't delivers 32 Bit Versions anymore since 2020, > but I didn't found statistics about the current shares of 32/64 Bit Windows > Systems out there (in Germany). > > > > Are there any caveats against going on with 32 Bit versions for some more > years? > > > > How do you handle this today? > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Tue Apr 6 07:36:33 2021 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2021 14:36:33 +0300 Subject: How do you handle 32/64 bit Windows standalones? In-Reply-To: <077301d72ac8$62ccbe50$28663af0$@kestner.de> References: <077301d72ac8$62ccbe50$28663af0$@kestner.de> Message-ID: I provide both: here have a look: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/2vgc1ei088hdqay/AAC8ac27eZuiI_BsWFlFQQjYa?dl=0 Richmond. On 6.04.21 12:36, Tiemo via use-livecode wrote: > Hello, > > > > When creating a Windows standalone, are you still creating the 32Bit > standalone or only anymore 64 Bit Versions of your products? > > I know, that Microsoft doesn't delivers 32 Bit Versions anymore since 2020, > but I didn't found statistics about the current shares of 32/64 Bit Windows > Systems out there (in Germany). > > > > Are there any caveats against going on with 32 Bit versions for some more > years? > > > > How do you handle this today? > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From craig at starfirelighting.com Tue Apr 6 08:54:54 2021 From: craig at starfirelighting.com (Craig Newman) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2021 08:54:54 -0400 Subject: Find Replace in Script Editor with cr In-Reply-To: References:

Message-ID: <779B8E60-04A2-43EE-8AB5-A54F596BBE08@starfirelighting.com> I understand why this will not work directly from the Find/Replace in the SE. That function does not know how to repace a semiColon with an actual return char. But a button somewhere, or a plug-in if that is more convenient, with a very simple handler can. (Pseudo) get the script of the objectOfInterest replace ?;? with return in it set the script of the objectOfInterest to it Done. Craig > On Apr 6, 2021, at 5:47 AM, John Balgenorth via use-livecode wrote: > > I haven?t been following this subject that close so I could be missing > completely with my answer, but when writing code in C or C++ the > /n is simply a / and n characters not a carriage return. The \n is > used for a new line which is a carriage return. If I am missing the > point just ignore the post. > > Forward slash n (/n) does not make a new line. > Back slash n (\n) does make a new line. > > JB > >> On Apr 5, 2021, at 10:28 PM, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode wrote: >> >> ?Bob, Regex only appears to operate on the read of the text, so >> ; >> in the *find* field will locate all of the places a semicolon is found, but >> putting >> /n >> into the *replace* field will not replace the ; with a cr >> >> Brian, The project is huge and I don't yet have the time to invest in >> porting it all to github just yet. As it is I have created my own simple >> regex text operator that I copy/paste the script into. >> >> https://www.dropbox.com/s/glq6pco70d3zgt3/Screenshot%202021-04-06%20at%2006.21.22.png?dl=0 >> >> Richard, I've tried in the Find, Find and replace of the script editor and >> the Find/Replace from the main menu. I can't seem to place a carriage >> return (or line feed or whatever) into the replacement field. This is what >> I am trying to achieve. Replace ";" with "cr" in myScript. I can do it in >> code, but not from the find/replace windows. :( >> >> Sean >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From andre at andregarzia.com Tue Apr 6 09:30:00 2021 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2021 14:30:00 +0100 Subject: How do you handle 32/64 bit Windows standalones? In-Reply-To: <077301d72ac8$62ccbe50$28663af0$@kestner.de> References: <077301d72ac8$62ccbe50$28663af0$@kestner.de> Message-ID: <993E1264-185F-4F94-83F3-A48FB93C6D81@andregarzia.com> Be aware that windows machines which are running ?Windows on ARM? such as the gorgeous Surface Pro X can only run either ARM64 windows apps (which we can?t build with LC) or 32bits x86 windows apps, which we can build. If you want to reach maximum compatibility with windows machines everywhere, building for 32bits is the safest bet. > On 6 Apr 2021, at 10:36, Tiemo via use-livecode wrote: > > Hello, > > > > When creating a Windows standalone, are you still creating the 32Bit > standalone or only anymore 64 Bit Versions of your products? > > I know, that Microsoft doesn't delivers 32 Bit Versions anymore since 2020, > but I didn't found statistics about the current shares of 32/64 Bit Windows > Systems out there (in Germany). > > > > Are there any caveats against going on with 32 Bit versions for some more > years? > > > > How do you handle this today? > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From toolbook at kestner.de Tue Apr 6 11:10:35 2021 From: toolbook at kestner.de (toolbook at kestner.de) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2021 17:10:35 +0200 Subject: AW: How do you handle 32/64 bit Windows standalones? In-Reply-To: <993E1264-185F-4F94-83F3-A48FB93C6D81@andregarzia.com> References: <077301d72ac8$62ccbe50$28663af0$@kestner.de> <993E1264-185F-4F94-83F3-A48FB93C6D81@andregarzia.com> Message-ID: <000b01d72af6$ff5aa150$fe0fe3f0$@kestner.de> Thanks for your 2 cents! -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: use-livecode Im Auftrag von Andre Garzia via use-livecode Gesendet: Dienstag, 6. April 2021 15:30 An: How to use LiveCode Cc: Andre Garzia Betreff: Re: How do you handle 32/64 bit Windows standalones? Be aware that windows machines which are running ?Windows on ARM? such as the gorgeous Surface Pro X can only run either ARM64 windows apps (which we can?t build with LC) or 32bits x86 windows apps, which we can build. If you want to reach maximum compatibility with windows machines everywhere, building for 32bits is the safest bet. > On 6 Apr 2021, at 10:36, Tiemo via use-livecode wrote: > > Hello, > > > > When creating a Windows standalone, are you still creating the 32Bit > standalone or only anymore 64 Bit Versions of your products? > > I know, that Microsoft doesn't delivers 32 Bit Versions anymore since > 2020, but I didn't found statistics about the current shares of 32/64 > Bit Windows Systems out there (in Germany). > > > > Are there any caveats against going on with 32 Bit versions for some > more years? > > > > How do you handle this today? > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Tue Apr 6 11:19:05 2021 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2021 10:19:05 -0500 Subject: How do you handle 32/64 bit Windows standalones? In-Reply-To: <077301d72ac8$62ccbe50$28663af0$@kestner.de> References: <077301d72ac8$62ccbe50$28663af0$@kestner.de> Message-ID: <178a7c40628.27a5.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com> I create both. We still have users on older machines that need 32-bit. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com On April 6, 2021 4:39:42 AM Tiemo via use-livecode wrote: > Hello, > > > > When creating a Windows standalone, are you still creating the 32Bit > standalone or only anymore 64 Bit Versions of your products? > > I know, that Microsoft doesn't delivers 32 Bit Versions anymore since 2020, > but I didn't found statistics about the current shares of 32/64 Bit Windows > Systems out there (in Germany). > > > > Are there any caveats against going on with 32 Bit versions for some more > years? > > > > How do you handle this today? > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From dochawk at gmail.com Tue Apr 6 18:42:15 2021 From: dochawk at gmail.com (doc hawk) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2021 15:42:15 -0700 Subject: Find Replace in Script Editor with cr In-Reply-To: References:

Message-ID: <09703557-D81D-4B98-8FEF-731D74931336@gmail.com> sean slipped > For instance, suppose I have multiple commands on one line separated by ; > and I want to search for semicolon and replace with semicolon followed by > return character to drop the remaining script onto a new line. put the script of someThing into tscript replace ?;? with ?;? & cr in script Set the script of someTHing to tscript From sean at pidigital.co.uk Wed Apr 7 01:16:12 2021 From: sean at pidigital.co.uk (Sean Cole (Pi)) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2021 06:16:12 +0100 Subject: Find Replace in Script Editor with cr In-Reply-To: <09703557-D81D-4B98-8FEF-731D74931336@gmail.com> References:

<09703557-D81D-4B98-8FEF-731D74931336@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi all, So, the semicolon example was only given as an oversimplification because most of you didn't read the original post properly, jumped to the wrong conclusion and then offered irrelevant answers. But then, the oversimplification gathered the same results of people jumping to the wrong conclusion by not reading the posts correctly. (It wasn't helped by my /n \n typo that was jumped on and assumed to be where I was going wrong. It is the paradox of this forum. Make it comprehensive, people get lost and lose the point and give the wrong answer. Make it simple and they read more into it and then equally get it wrong. The code I deal with on a daily basis is infinitely more complex than a simple - put the script of someThing into tscript; replace ?;? with ?;? & cr in script; Set the script of someThing to tscript - and can do that kind of thing in my sleep (as I often do, but infinitely more complex). So, I KNOW all of these SCRIPTING techniques. I'm not interested! I can do that. NOT A PROBLEM :) BUT IN THE FIND/REPLACE PANEL !!!?? Can I use a return character (or a wildcard, escaped, coded form) in the REPLACE field OF THE PANEL. - A simple question. You CAN use RegEx in the FIND Field. In there you can SEARCH for \n ((I got it right this time)) which refers to a line feed (or new line). BUT, you CANNOT, it seems, as best I can find or from the comments made, use \n to replace or insert a line feed. In my scripts (the several thousands of them) there are NO (zero, none) semicolons used to separate commands. It was used ONLY to help give you a simpler idea of what I was trying to achieve without having to use too much detail. But this kind of dialogue on a forum filled with 'clever' people trying to demonstrate how clever they are means they often miss the point and give answers that do not fulfil the remit! Or just answer a simple ruddy question. Here, then, is a 'Real World' example of what I am facing. There are many variants and not my only issue, but a useful example, sample, demonstration. *[code]if* field "Level" begins with "Director" and field "UserDisplay" is not empty and field "UserDisplay" is not "All Agents" and the label of button "Status" is "All Sales" *then* *put* pidbQueryDatabase( "SELECT * FROM QGNew where UserID = '" & (fld "UserID" of card 17 stack "QGv3") & "' AND DealerID = '" & (fld "DealerID" of card 1 stack "QGv3") & "' AND Status LIKE '%" & ("Sale") & "%' OR UserID = '" & (fld "UserID" of card 17 stack "QGv3") & "' AND DealerID = '" & (fld "DealerID" of card 1 stack "QGv3") & "' AND Status LIKE '%" & ("Connect") & "%'") into tMsg [/code] That is all on a single line of a script in one of many thousand buttons. In and of itself is not so much a problem as it is just difficult for me to plough through when working out what the script is doing. In this button alone there are 32 lines similar in nature to this. To make it easier for me to go through, as I arrive at each button to simplify and correlate and combine into much more elegant code in the card script, I would like to be able, IN THE FIND REPLACE PANEL, not by code or porting or anything else, just to search and replace (& ") with (\ cr & ") (parenthesis used here just to wrap the strings), and (then put) with (then cr put). Hence, it will look a bit more like this: [code] *if* field "Level" begins with "Director" and field "UserDisplay" is not empty and field "UserDisplay" is not "All Agents" and the label of button "Status" is "All Sales" *then* *put* pidbQueryDatabase( "SELECT * FROM QGNew where UserID = '" & (fld "UserID" of card 17 stack "QGv3") \ & "' AND DealerID = '" & (fld "DealerID" of card 1 stack "QGv3") \ & "' AND Status LIKE '%" & ("Sale") \ & "%' OR UserID = '" & (fld "UserID" of card 17 stack "QGv3") \ & "' AND DealerID = '" & (fld "DealerID" of card 1 stack "QGv3") \ & "' AND Status LIKE '%" & ("Connect") \ & "%'") into tMsg [/code] Ideally I'd want it even better than this eventually. But key to doing just this for now was being able to use a return character in the replace field of the find/replace panel. My original question was 'Just wondering if there is a way of replacing using cr in the find/replace panel of the script editor.' A simple Yes or No would have been sufficient. Even better, a yes with a 'just use this form : x,y,z' as a sample. I just hoped someone had found a simple method, especially as the guides and documentation are so woefully out of date and incomplete. Something more than 'the meaning of life = 42' and less than 'measuring gravity = the complete works of Sir Isaac Newton', as long as it actually answers the question asked :) (And please don't go into the simplification of the SQL requests, the 'if' condition or any other poop. I'm FULLY aware of this to the nth degree and is why I'm going through this poop-show of a stack. Over 10 years of poor/bad/dirty coding that now needs cleaning and refactoring without rebuilding from the ground up. I'm just working my way through and have managed 6 of the 801 cards) Stats for this behemoth: Number of stacks = 109 Total number of cards = 801 Total number of controls = 82579 Total number of buttons = 19124 Total Number of fields = 33484 Total number of groups = 12152 Total number of graphics = 14359 Total number of images = 3282 Total Lines of code = 360036 :-) Sean On Tue, 6 Apr 2021 at 23:42, doc hawk via use-livecode < use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > sean slipped > > > For instance, suppose I have multiple commands on one line separated by ; > > and I want to search for semicolon and replace with semicolon followed by > > return character to drop the remaining script onto a new line. > > put the script of someThing into tscript > replace ?;? with ?;? & cr in script > Set the script of someTHing to tscript > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From panos.merakos at livecode.com Wed Apr 7 09:46:42 2021 From: panos.merakos at livecode.com (panagiotis merakos) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2021 16:46:42 +0300 Subject: [ANN] Release 9.6.2 RC-4 Message-ID: Dear list members, We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.2 RC-4. Getting the Release =================== You can get the release at https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/ or via the automatic updater. Release Contents ================ LiveCode 9.6.2 RC-4 comes with 1 regression fix: - Fix unresponsiveness of engine when scrolling on Big Sur For the full list of all fixes, updates and enhancements please see the release notes: http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/9_6_2/LiveCodeNotes-9_6_2_rc_4.pdf Known issues ============ - The Browser widget's native layer is not shown in some Linux distros with Cinnamon window manager. - The use of the Browser widget is not supported on Ubuntu 18.04 64 bit LTS yet. Required Software ================= To build iOS apps with LiveCode you must have the appropriate versions of Xcode as follows: - macOS 10.13.4: Xcode 10.1 - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS 12.1 SDK - macOS 10.14.4: Xcode 11.3.x - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS 13.2 SDK - macOS 10.15.4+: Xcode 12.1.x - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS 14.1 SDK There is a full list of working LiveCode/macOS/Xcode combinations here: https://livecode.com/docs/9-5-0/faq/faq/ Note: Whilst we endeavour to release updated versions of LiveCode supporting the latest Xcode/iOS SDKs as quickly as possible; we strongly recommend disabling automatic update of Xcode or downloading the specific version of Xcode required directly from the Apple developer portal and installing it separately. Important: From the end of June 2020, Apple is only accepting apps built using iOS13 SDKs. This means that, if you wish to submit apps to the AppStore you will have to be running at least macOS 10.14 in order to be able to install the necessary version of Xcode. Feedback ======== Please report any bugs encountered on our quality center at http://quality.livecode.com/ We have a forum available for discussing LiveCode Builder at http://forums.livecode.com/viewforum.php?f=93 Have fun! The LiveCode Team -- From alex at tweedly.net Wed Apr 7 10:07:08 2021 From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2021 15:07:08 +0100 Subject: Find Replace in Script Editor with cr In-Reply-To: References:

<09703557-D81D-4B98-8FEF-731D74931336@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5412446b-134d-ee01-9495-2bc34f20a48e@tweedly.net> Hi Sean, I'm struggling a bit to understand how you intend to use this. You give an example of > *if* field "Level" begins with "Director" and field "UserDisplay" is not > empty and field "UserDisplay" is not "All Agents" and the label of button > "Status" is "All Sales"*then* > *put* pidbQueryDatabase( "SELECT * FROM QGNew where UserID = '" & (fld > "UserID" of card 17 stack "QGv3") \ > & "' AND DealerID = '" & (fld "DealerID" of card 1 stack "QGv3") \ > & "' AND Status LIKE '%" & ("Sale") \ > & "%' OR UserID = '" & (fld "UserID" of card 17 stack "QGv3") \ > & "' AND DealerID = '" & (fld "DealerID" of card 1 stack "QGv3") \ > & "' AND Status LIKE '%" & ("Connect") \ > & "%'") into tMsg BUT - that's no longer correct code; you need to add the "end if" after it. I don't see how any find/replace is going to do that successfully. You could tweak the script editor to allow some token to imply inserting a linefeed - but you'd still need to find the relevant end of statement and insert the 'end if' that you need. So (unless I'm missing something) you will finish up doing a scripted solution. Also, I do believe you will want to have the ease of use of using the find/replace panel to select only those lines which are to be modified (otherwise you are likely to pull in a number of cases you don't want). If it were me, I'd follow a process like : 1. identify the lines to be changed (parentheses for readability) find/replace?? (put then) --->? (put /*change*/ then) 2. use a plugin / frontscript to allow some weird key to trigger the changes. Sample plugin (with thanks to Jacque for the outline) > on preOpenStack > ?? if the long name of this stack is among the lines of the > frontscripts then > ????? put "---> passing" after msg > ????? pass preOpenStack > ?? else > ????? insert the script of this stack onto front > ?? end if > end preOpenStack > > on commandKeyDown whichKey ---- from Jacqueline Landman Gay > ?? if ("editor field" is not in the name of the target and "script" is > not in the name of the target) \ > ???????? or the shiftkey is not down > ?? then pass commandKeyDown > > ?? local tSel, tNewSel > ?? if whichKey = "+" then > ????? select text of the target > ????? put the selection into tSel > ????? repeat for each line L in tSel > ???????? if L contains "then /*change*/ put" then > ??????????? replace "then /*change*/ put" with "then " & CR & "put" in L > ??????????? replace ("& " & quote) with ("\" & CR & "?? & " & quote) in L > ??????????? put CR & "end if" after L > ???????? end if > ???????? put L &CR after tNewSel > ????? end repeat > ????? set the text of the target to tNewSel > ????? select empty > ?? else > ????? pass commandKeyDown > ?? end if > ?? setEditorDirty > end commandKeyDown > > private command setEditorDirty > ?? type space > ?? delete char (word 4 of the selectedchunk) of the target > end setEditorDirty > 3. ??? the srcipt editor has lost the "coloization" of the script. There is (or used to be) some way to restore that for the entire script - but I can't remember it. Hitting 'TAB' does it for the current handler but not for the whole script. So, I apologize - I've got carried away and provided a "creative" solution that is outside the remit of your question. So sue me :-) But since I had just finished reading Andre's book on plugins and development tools, this seemed like a good opportunity to try out creating a plugin. Alex. On 07/04/2021 06:16, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode wrote: > Hi all, > So, the semicolon example was only given as an oversimplification because > most of you didn't read the original post properly, jumped to the > wrong conclusion and then offered irrelevant answers. But then, the > oversimplification gathered the same results of people jumping to the wrong > conclusion by not reading the posts correctly. (It wasn't helped by my /n > \n typo that was jumped on and assumed to be where I was going wrong. It is > the paradox of this forum. Make it comprehensive, people get lost and lose > the point and give the wrong answer. Make it simple and they read more into > it and then equally get it wrong. > > The code I deal with on a daily basis is infinitely more complex than a > simple - put the script of someThing into tscript; replace ?;? with ?;? & > cr in script; Set the script of someThing to tscript - and can do that kind > of thing in my sleep (as I often do, but infinitely more complex). > > So, I KNOW all of these SCRIPTING techniques. I'm not interested! I can do > that. NOT A PROBLEM :) > > BUT IN THE FIND/REPLACE PANEL !!!?? > > Can I use a return character (or a wildcard, escaped, coded form) in the > REPLACE field OF THE PANEL. - A simple question. > > You CAN use RegEx in the FIND Field. In there you can SEARCH for \n ((I got > it right this time)) which refers to a line feed (or new line). BUT, you > CANNOT, it seems, as best I can find or from the comments made, use \n to > replace or insert a line feed. > > In my scripts (the several thousands of them) there are NO (zero, none) > semicolons used to separate commands. It was used ONLY to help give you a > simpler idea of what I was trying to achieve without having to use too much > detail. But this kind of dialogue on a forum filled with 'clever' people > trying to demonstrate how clever they are means they often miss the point > and give answers that do not fulfil the remit! Or just answer a simple > ruddy question. > > Here, then, is a 'Real World' example of what I am facing. There are many > variants and not my only issue, but a useful example, sample, demonstration. > > > *[code]if* field "Level" begins with "Director" and field "UserDisplay" is > not empty and field "UserDisplay" is not "All Agents" and the label of > button "Status" is "All Sales" *then* *put* pidbQueryDatabase( "SELECT * > FROM QGNew where UserID = '" & (fld "UserID" of card 17 stack "QGv3") & "' > AND DealerID = '" & (fld "DealerID" of card 1 stack "QGv3") & "' AND Status > LIKE '%" & ("Sale") & "%' OR UserID = '" & (fld "UserID" of card 17 stack > "QGv3") & "' AND DealerID = '" & (fld "DealerID" of card 1 stack "QGv3") & "' > AND Status LIKE '%" & ("Connect") & "%'") into tMsg > [/code] > That is all on a single line of a script in one of many thousand buttons. > In and of itself is not so much a problem as it is just difficult for me to > plough through when working out what the script is doing. In this button > alone there are 32 lines similar in nature to this. > > To make it easier for me to go through, as I arrive at each button to > simplify and correlate and combine into much more elegant code in the card > script, I would like to be able, IN THE FIND REPLACE PANEL, not by code or > porting or anything else, just to search and replace (& ") with (\ cr & ") > (parenthesis used here just to wrap the strings), and (then put) with (then > cr put). Hence, it will look a bit more like this: > > [code] > *if* field "Level" begins with "Director" and field "UserDisplay" is not > empty and field "UserDisplay" is not "All Agents" and the label of button > "Status" is "All Sales" *then* > *put* pidbQueryDatabase( "SELECT * FROM QGNew where UserID = '" & (fld > "UserID" of card 17 stack "QGv3") \ > & "' AND DealerID = '" & (fld "DealerID" of card 1 stack "QGv3") \ > & "' AND Status LIKE '%" & ("Sale") \ > & "%' OR UserID = '" & (fld "UserID" of card 17 stack "QGv3") \ > & "' AND DealerID = '" & (fld "DealerID" of card 1 stack "QGv3") \ > & "' AND Status LIKE '%" & ("Connect") \ > & "%'") into tMsg > [/code] > > Ideally I'd want it even better than this eventually. But key to doing just > this for now was being able to use a return character in the replace field > of the find/replace panel. > > My original question was 'Just wondering if there is a way of replacing > using cr in the find/replace panel of the script editor.' > > A simple Yes or No would have been sufficient. Even better, a yes with a > 'just use this form : x,y,z' as a sample. I just hoped someone had found a > simple method, especially as the guides and documentation are so woefully > out of date and incomplete. Something more than 'the meaning of life = 42' > and less than 'measuring gravity = the complete works of Sir Isaac Newton', > as long as it actually answers the question asked :) > > (And please don't go into the simplification of the SQL requests, the 'if' > condition or any other poop. I'm FULLY aware of this to the nth degree and > is why I'm going through this poop-show of a stack. Over 10 years of > poor/bad/dirty coding that now needs cleaning and refactoring without > rebuilding from the ground up. I'm just working my way through and have > managed 6 of the 801 cards) > > Stats for this behemoth: > Number of stacks = 109 > Total number of cards = 801 > Total number of controls = 82579 > Total number of buttons = 19124 > Total Number of fields = 33484 > Total number of groups = 12152 > Total number of graphics = 14359 > Total number of images = 3282 > Total Lines of code = 360036 > > :-) > Sean > > On Tue, 6 Apr 2021 at 23:42, doc hawk via use-livecode < > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > >> sean slipped >> >>> For instance, suppose I have multiple commands on one line separated by ; >>> and I want to search for semicolon and replace with semicolon followed by >>> return character to drop the remaining script onto a new line. >> put the script of someThing into tscript >> replace ?;? with ?;? & cr in script >> Set the script of someTHing to tscript >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From sean at pidigital.co.uk Wed Apr 7 11:46:25 2021 From: sean at pidigital.co.uk (Sean Cole (Pi)) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2021 16:46:25 +0100 Subject: Find Replace in Script Editor with cr In-Reply-To: <5412446b-134d-ee01-9495-2bc34f20a48e@tweedly.net> References:

<09703557-D81D-4B98-8FEF-731D74931336@gmail.com> <5412446b-134d-ee01-9495-2bc34f20a48e@tweedly.net> Message-ID: FFS Alex, I HAVE created a plugin! I was JUST trying to ask, can I insert a cr using the replace field of the Find Replace ONLY. I flipping already know how LC works for most other things. I dont need explanations on how to suck effing eggs. Just answer the sodding question. Answer nothing but this PLEASE. This is why I end up getting mad! I even just explained this in my last post. Why are you all unable to READ!!!!!!! ??????? Sean PS Morons. I'm offended by your On Wed, 7 Apr 2021 at 15:07, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode < use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > Hi Sean, > > I'm struggling a bit to understand how you intend to use this. > > You give an example of > > > *if* field "Level" begins with "Director" and field "UserDisplay" is not > > empty and field "UserDisplay" is not "All Agents" and the label of button > > "Status" is "All Sales"*then* > > *put* pidbQueryDatabase( "SELECT * FROM QGNew where UserID = '" & (fld > > "UserID" of card 17 stack "QGv3") \ > > & "' AND DealerID = '" & (fld "DealerID" of card 1 stack "QGv3") \ > > & "' AND Status LIKE '%" & ("Sale") \ > > & "%' OR UserID = '" & (fld "UserID" of card 17 stack "QGv3") \ > > & "' AND DealerID = '" & (fld "DealerID" of card 1 stack "QGv3") \ > > & "' AND Status LIKE '%" & ("Connect") \ > > & "%'") into tMsg > BUT - that's no longer correct code; you need to add the "end if" after it. > > I don't see how any find/replace is going to do that successfully. > > You could tweak the script editor to allow some token to imply inserting > a linefeed - but you'd still need to find the relevant end of statement > and insert the 'end if' that you need. > > > So (unless I'm missing something) you will finish up doing a scripted > solution. Also, I do believe you will want to have the ease of use of > using the find/replace panel to select only those lines which are to be > modified (otherwise you are likely to pull in a number of cases you > don't want). > > If it were me, I'd follow a process like : > > 1. identify the lines to be changed (parentheses for readability) > > find/replace (put then) ---> (put /*change*/ then) > > 2. use a plugin / frontscript to allow some weird key to trigger the > changes. > > Sample plugin (with thanks to Jacque for the outline) > > > on preOpenStack > > if the long name of this stack is among the lines of the > > frontscripts then > > put "---> passing" after msg > > pass preOpenStack > > else > > insert the script of this stack onto front > > end if > > end preOpenStack > > > > on commandKeyDown whichKey ---- from Jacqueline Landman Gay > > if ("editor field" is not in the name of the target and "script" is > > not in the name of the target) \ > > or the shiftkey is not down > > then pass commandKeyDown > > > > local tSel, tNewSel > > if whichKey = "+" then > > select text of the target > > put the selection into tSel > > repeat for each line L in tSel > > if L contains "then /*change*/ put" then > > replace "then /*change*/ put" with "then " & CR & "put" in L > > replace ("& " & quote) with ("\" & CR & " & " & quote) in L > > put CR & "end if" after L > > end if > > put L &CR after tNewSel > > end repeat > > set the text of the target to tNewSel > > select empty > > else > > pass commandKeyDown > > end if > > setEditorDirty > > end commandKeyDown > > > > private command setEditorDirty > > type space > > delete char (word 4 of the selectedchunk) of the target > > end setEditorDirty > > > > > 3. ??? the srcipt editor has lost the "coloization" of the script. There > is (or used to be) some way to restore that for the entire script - but > I can't remember it. Hitting 'TAB' does it for the current handler but > not for the whole script. > > > So, I apologize - I've got carried away and provided a "creative" > solution that is outside the remit of your question. So sue me :-) > > But since I had just finished reading Andre's book on plugins and > development tools, this seemed like a good opportunity to try out > creating a plugin. > > Alex. > > On 07/04/2021 06:16, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode wrote: > > Hi all, > > So, the semicolon example was only given as an oversimplification because > > most of you didn't read the original post properly, jumped to the > > wrong conclusion and then offered irrelevant answers. But then, the > > oversimplification gathered the same results of people jumping to the > wrong > > conclusion by not reading the posts correctly. (It wasn't helped by my /n > > \n typo that was jumped on and assumed to be where I was going wrong. It > is > > the paradox of this forum. Make it comprehensive, people get lost and > lose > > the point and give the wrong answer. Make it simple and they read more > into > > it and then equally get it wrong. > > > > The code I deal with on a daily basis is infinitely more complex than a > > simple - put the script of someThing into tscript; replace ?;? with ?;? & > > cr in script; Set the script of someThing to tscript - and can do that > kind > > of thing in my sleep (as I often do, but infinitely more complex). > > > > So, I KNOW all of these SCRIPTING techniques. I'm not interested! I can > do > > that. NOT A PROBLEM :) > > > > BUT IN THE FIND/REPLACE PANEL !!!?? > > > > Can I use a return character (or a wildcard, escaped, coded form) in the > > REPLACE field OF THE PANEL. - A simple question. > > > > You CAN use RegEx in the FIND Field. In there you can SEARCH for \n ((I > got > > it right this time)) which refers to a line feed (or new line). BUT, you > > CANNOT, it seems, as best I can find or from the comments made, use \n to > > replace or insert a line feed. > > > > In my scripts (the several thousands of them) there are NO (zero, none) > > semicolons used to separate commands. It was used ONLY to help give you a > > simpler idea of what I was trying to achieve without having to use too > much > > detail. But this kind of dialogue on a forum filled with 'clever' people > > trying to demonstrate how clever they are means they often miss the point > > and give answers that do not fulfil the remit! Or just answer a simple > > ruddy question. > > > > Here, then, is a 'Real World' example of what I am facing. There are many > > variants and not my only issue, but a useful example, sample, > demonstration. > > > > > > *[code]if* field "Level" begins with "Director" and field "UserDisplay" > is > > not empty and field "UserDisplay" is not "All Agents" and the label of > > button "Status" is "All Sales" *then* *put* pidbQueryDatabase( "SELECT * > > FROM QGNew where UserID = '" & (fld "UserID" of card 17 stack "QGv3") & > "' > > AND DealerID = '" & (fld "DealerID" of card 1 stack "QGv3") & "' AND > Status > > LIKE '%" & ("Sale") & "%' OR UserID = '" & (fld "UserID" of card 17 stack > > "QGv3") & "' AND DealerID = '" & (fld "DealerID" of card 1 stack "QGv3") > & "' > > AND Status LIKE '%" & ("Connect") & "%'") into tMsg > > [/code] > > That is all on a single line of a script in one of many thousand buttons. > > In and of itself is not so much a problem as it is just difficult for me > to > > plough through when working out what the script is doing. In this button > > alone there are 32 lines similar in nature to this. > > > > To make it easier for me to go through, as I arrive at each button to > > simplify and correlate and combine into much more elegant code in the > card > > script, I would like to be able, IN THE FIND REPLACE PANEL, not by code > or > > porting or anything else, just to search and replace (& ") with (\ cr & > ") > > (parenthesis used here just to wrap the strings), and (then put) with > (then > > cr put). Hence, it will look a bit more like this: > > > > [code] > > *if* field "Level" begins with "Director" and field "UserDisplay" is not > > empty and field "UserDisplay" is not "All Agents" and the label of button > > "Status" is "All Sales" *then* > > *put* pidbQueryDatabase( "SELECT * FROM QGNew where UserID = '" & (fld > > "UserID" of card 17 stack "QGv3") \ > > & "' AND DealerID = '" & (fld "DealerID" of card 1 stack "QGv3") \ > > & "' AND Status LIKE '%" & ("Sale") \ > > & "%' OR UserID = '" & (fld "UserID" of card 17 stack "QGv3") \ > > & "' AND DealerID = '" & (fld "DealerID" of card 1 stack "QGv3") \ > > & "' AND Status LIKE '%" & ("Connect") \ > > & "%'") into tMsg > > [/code] > > > > Ideally I'd want it even better than this eventually. But key to doing > just > > this for now was being able to use a return character in the replace > field > > of the find/replace panel. > > > > My original question was 'Just wondering if there is a way of replacing > > using cr in the find/replace panel of the script editor.' > > > > A simple Yes or No would have been sufficient. Even better, a yes with a > > 'just use this form : x,y,z' as a sample. I just hoped someone had found > a > > simple method, especially as the guides and documentation are so woefully > > out of date and incomplete. Something more than 'the meaning of life = > 42' > > and less than 'measuring gravity = the complete works of Sir Isaac > Newton', > > as long as it actually answers the question asked :) > > > > (And please don't go into the simplification of the SQL requests, the > 'if' > > condition or any other poop. I'm FULLY aware of this to the nth degree > and > > is why I'm going through this poop-show of a stack. Over 10 years of > > poor/bad/dirty coding that now needs cleaning and refactoring without > > rebuilding from the ground up. I'm just working my way through and have > > managed 6 of the 801 cards) > > > > Stats for this behemoth: > > Number of stacks = 109 > > Total number of cards = 801 > > Total number of controls = 82579 > > Total number of buttons = 19124 > > Total Number of fields = 33484 > > Total number of groups = 12152 > > Total number of graphics = 14359 > > Total number of images = 3282 > > Total Lines of code = 360036 > > > > :-) > > Sean > > > > On Tue, 6 Apr 2021 at 23:42, doc hawk via use-livecode < > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > >> sean slipped > >> > >>> For instance, suppose I have multiple commands on one line separated > by ; > >>> and I want to search for semicolon and replace with semicolon followed > by > >>> return character to drop the remaining script onto a new line. > >> put the script of someThing into tscript > >> replace ?;? with ?;? & cr in script > >> Set the script of someTHing to tscript > >> _______________________________________________ > >> use-livecode mailing list > >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > >> subscription preferences: > >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From curry at pair.com Wed Apr 7 12:02:54 2021 From: curry at pair.com (Curry Kenworthy) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2021 12:02:54 -0400 Subject: Find Replace in Script Editor with cr In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sean: > if there is a way of replacing using cr > in the find/replace panel of the script editor. So what you are REALLY asking is whether nested style arrays and chained behaviors can be used with tsNet and DataGrid in a git-compatible environment to create an IDE within an IDE, via a creepy talking face emerging from the Test button and utilizing only whitespace and semicolons sprinkled among seemingly-random iterations of the first 17 words of the song Imagine? ;) > BUT IN THE FIND/REPLACE PANEL !!!?? Oh, there! I don't know. I never trusted SE enough to use its replace. Good question! I agree, this is a simple Q and should be documented. Probably I would write a script for doing this; I'd trust it more. Best wishes, Curry Kenworthy Custom Software Development "Better Methods, Better Results" LiveCode Training and Consulting http://livecodeconsulting.com/ From tom at makeshyft.com Wed Apr 7 12:03:02 2021 From: tom at makeshyft.com (Tom Glod) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2021 12:03:02 -0400 Subject: Checking the Milliseconds Message-ID: Hey peeps, I wanted to measure how many times the LC engine can check the milliseconds count during each millisecond that passes. The results really surprised me, I thought it would be less, but I don't know why really. Anyone want to take a guess? What is strange about my results, is that every few milliseconds the amount of millisecond queries that occurs ...... doubles. Why does this happen I wonder? Can someone double check if that happens on your CPU? I'm on WIndows 10 on an i5 4570. Here is the code. -------------------------------------- local last_known_millisecond local queries = 0 local report on mouseUp lock screen put empty into report local x repeat 1000 times add 1 to x put 0 into queries put the milliseconds into last_known_millisecond repeat forever add 1 to queries if the milliseconds = last_known_millisecond then next repeat else exit repeat end if end repeat put queries into line x of report end repeat unlock screen put report end mouseUp -- Tom Glod Founder & Developer MakeShyft R.D.A (www.makeshyft.com) Mobile:647.562.9411 From tore.nilsen at me.com Wed Apr 7 12:15:39 2021 From: tore.nilsen at me.com (Tore Nilsen) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2021 18:15:39 +0200 Subject: Checking the Milliseconds In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <61D1B5D2-FB46-4C3E-A336-E8C091054724@me.com> It averages around 3850 and 3900 every time I try. However, when I try to run the test 10000 times the average goes down to just above 3600. BigSur on Xeon W 3GHz. Best regards Tore Nilsen > 7. apr. 2021 kl. 18:03 skrev Tom Glod via use-livecode : > > Hey peeps, > > I wanted to measure how many times the LC engine can check the milliseconds > count during each millisecond that passes. > > The results really surprised me, I thought it would be less, but I don't > know why really. > > Anyone want to take a guess? > > What is strange about my results, is that every few milliseconds the amount > of millisecond queries that occurs ...... doubles. > > Why does this happen I wonder? > > Can someone double check if that happens on your CPU? I'm on WIndows 10 on > an i5 4570. > > Here is the code. > -------------------------------------- > > local last_known_millisecond > local queries = 0 > local report > > on mouseUp > lock screen > put empty into report > local x > repeat 1000 times > add 1 to x > put 0 into queries > put the milliseconds into last_known_millisecond > repeat forever > add 1 to queries > if the milliseconds = last_known_millisecond then > next repeat > else > exit repeat > end if > end repeat > put queries into line x of report > end repeat > unlock screen > put report > end mouseUp > > -- > Tom Glod > Founder & Developer > MakeShyft R.D.A (www.makeshyft.com) > Mobile:647.562.9411 > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net Wed Apr 7 12:20:50 2021 From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2021 12:20:50 -0400 Subject: Checking the Milliseconds In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <004c01d72bc9$fc838ea0$f58aabe0$@net> Here's the first few from LC 9.6.1 Win 10 Pro VM SSD 1473 3326 3397 3155 2442 3234 2292 3349 3380 3275 3259 3498 3300 3634 3462 3228 3896 3762 3197 3186 2188 1461 2716 3358 2940 2886 2614 2264 3038 3322 3305 3372 3395 3418 2579 Ralph DiMola IT Director Evergreen Information Services rdimola at evergreeninfo.net -----Original Message----- From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Tom Glod via use-livecode Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2021 12:03 PM To: How to use LiveCode Cc: Tom Glod Subject: Checking the Milliseconds Hey peeps, I wanted to measure how many times the LC engine can check the milliseconds count during each millisecond that passes. The results really surprised me, I thought it would be less, but I don't know why really. Anyone want to take a guess? What is strange about my results, is that every few milliseconds the amount of millisecond queries that occurs ...... doubles. Why does this happen I wonder? Can someone double check if that happens on your CPU? I'm on WIndows 10 on an i5 4570. Here is the code. -------------------------------------- local last_known_millisecond local queries = 0 local report on mouseUp lock screen put empty into report local x repeat 1000 times add 1 to x put 0 into queries put the milliseconds into last_known_millisecond repeat forever add 1 to queries if the milliseconds = last_known_millisecond then next repeat else exit repeat end if end repeat put queries into line x of report end repeat unlock screen put report end mouseUp -- Tom Glod Founder & Developer MakeShyft R.D.A (www.makeshyft.com) Mobile:647.562.9411 _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From tom at makeshyft.com Wed Apr 7 12:20:11 2021 From: tom at makeshyft.com (Tom Glod) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2021 12:20:11 -0400 Subject: Checking the Milliseconds In-Reply-To: <004c01d72bc9$fc838ea0$f58aabe0$@net> References: <004c01d72bc9$fc838ea0$f58aabe0$@net> Message-ID: Hmmm.... I averaged about 3500..... but every so often ....7000+..... On Wed, Apr 7, 2021 at 12:17 PM Ralph DiMola via use-livecode < use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > Here's the first few from LC 9.6.1 Win 10 Pro VM SSD > > 1473 > 3326 > 3397 > 3155 > 2442 > 3234 > 2292 > 3349 > 3380 > 3275 > 3259 > 3498 > 3300 > 3634 > 3462 > 3228 > 3896 > 3762 > 3197 > 3186 > 2188 > 1461 > 2716 > 3358 > 2940 > 2886 > 2614 > 2264 > 3038 > 3322 > 3305 > 3372 > 3395 > 3418 > 2579 > > > Ralph DiMola > IT Director > Evergreen Information Services > rdimola at evergreeninfo.net > > > -----Original Message----- > From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On > Behalf > Of Tom Glod via use-livecode > Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2021 12:03 PM > To: How to use LiveCode > Cc: Tom Glod > Subject: Checking the Milliseconds > > Hey peeps, > > I wanted to measure how many times the LC engine can check the milliseconds > count during each millisecond that passes. > > The results really surprised me, I thought it would be less, but I don't > know why really. > > Anyone want to take a guess? > > What is strange about my results, is that every few milliseconds the amount > of millisecond queries that occurs ...... doubles. > > Why does this happen I wonder? > > Can someone double check if that happens on your CPU? I'm on WIndows 10 on > an i5 4570. > > Here is the code. > -------------------------------------- > > local last_known_millisecond > local queries = 0 > local report > > on mouseUp > lock screen > put empty into report > local x > repeat 1000 times > add 1 to x > put 0 into queries > put the milliseconds into last_known_millisecond > repeat forever > add 1 to queries > if the milliseconds = last_known_millisecond then > next repeat > else > exit repeat > end if > end repeat > put queries into line x of report > end repeat > unlock screen > put report > end mouseUp > > -- > Tom Glod > Founder & Developer > MakeShyft R.D.A (www.makeshyft.com) > Mobile:647.562.9411 > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- Tom Glod Founder & Developer MakeShyft R.D.A (www.makeshyft.com) Mobile:647.562.9411 From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net Wed Apr 7 12:37:54 2021 From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2021 12:37:54 -0400 Subject: Checking the Milliseconds In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <004d01d72bcc$5ec34fe0$1c49efa0$@net> I scanned the results after it was done and got this: Max==>3959 Min==>1015 Ralph DiMola IT Director Evergreen Information Services rdimola at evergreeninfo.net -----Original Message----- From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Tom Glod via use-livecode Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2021 12:03 PM To: How to use LiveCode Cc: Tom Glod Subject: Checking the Milliseconds Hey peeps, I wanted to measure how many times the LC engine can check the milliseconds count during each millisecond that passes. The results really surprised me, I thought it would be less, but I don't know why really. Anyone want to take a guess? What is strange about my results, is that every few milliseconds the amount of millisecond queries that occurs ...... doubles. Why does this happen I wonder? Can someone double check if that happens on your CPU? I'm on WIndows 10 on an i5 4570. Here is the code. -------------------------------------- local last_known_millisecond local queries = 0 local report on mouseUp lock screen put empty into report local x repeat 1000 times add 1 to x put 0 into queries put the milliseconds into last_known_millisecond repeat forever add 1 to queries if the milliseconds = last_known_millisecond then next repeat else exit repeat end if end repeat put queries into line x of report end repeat unlock screen put report end mouseUp -- Tom Glod Founder & Developer MakeShyft R.D.A (www.makeshyft.com) Mobile:647.562.9411 _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net Wed Apr 7 13:01:06 2021 From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2021 13:01:06 -0400 Subject: Checking the Milliseconds In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <004e01d72bcf$9ccdda00$d6698e00$@net> I added an average. i7-6700 3.4GHz 8 cores in the VM Run 1: Max==>4586 Min==>460 Average==>3096.058 Run 2: Max==>7573 Min==>460 Average==>3835.764743 Run 3: Max==>7573 Min==>728 Average==>2947.388 Interesting.... Ralph DiMola IT Director Evergreen Information Services rdimola at evergreeninfo.net -----Original Message----- From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Tom Glod via use-livecode Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2021 12:03 PM To: How to use LiveCode Cc: Tom Glod Subject: Checking the Milliseconds Hey peeps, I wanted to measure how many times the LC engine can check the milliseconds count during each millisecond that passes. The results really surprised me, I thought it would be less, but I don't know why really. Anyone want to take a guess? What is strange about my results, is that every few milliseconds the amount of millisecond queries that occurs ...... doubles. Why does this happen I wonder? Can someone double check if that happens on your CPU? I'm on WIndows 10 on an i5 4570. Here is the code. -------------------------------------- local last_known_millisecond local queries = 0 local report on mouseUp lock screen put empty into report local x repeat 1000 times add 1 to x put 0 into queries put the milliseconds into last_known_millisecond repeat forever add 1 to queries if the milliseconds = last_known_millisecond then next repeat else exit repeat end if end repeat put queries into line x of report end repeat unlock screen put report end mouseUp -- Tom Glod Founder & Developer MakeShyft R.D.A (www.makeshyft.com) Mobile:647.562.9411 _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From curry at pair.com Wed Apr 7 13:03:23 2021 From: curry at pair.com (Curry Kenworthy) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2021 13:03:23 -0400 Subject: Help! I'm stuck In-Reply-To: <1789da07d20.27a5.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com> References: <1789da07d20.27a5.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <40c77e03-e74f-1d1b-a6de-cbc378749442@pair.com> Jacqueline: > It's not a bug, it was intentionally introduced to allow a couple > of features, like retaining script local variables after a build. > Given the amount of extra scripting to work around it for existing > stacks, I think it may have introduced more problems than it tried > to cure. Agreed! I was too busy the other day but wanted to chime in: This was a baffling case of doubling-down on a wonky and toxic "fix." The problems introduced were far more numerous than those "fixed." I pointed this out right away, but it seems that hubris prevailed. LC Ltd needs a more consistent vision of what LC is and how it works. Result: workarounds are often needed for standard builds. In what RAD paradigm should users have to workaround the IDE? If that's a question we're even needing to ask, we may be in trouble. (My own stack design usually makes this a moot point. I wasn't affected. But I saw the expense and pain this caused, plus a troubling precedent.) So ... isn't it great they teach everyone to double down these days? :) Turning off messages - good tactic, although it won't work for everyone. Back to work, take care all.... Best wishes, Curry Kenworthy Custom Software Development "Better Methods, Better Results" LiveCode Training and Consulting http://livecodeconsulting.com/ From tom at makeshyft.com Wed Apr 7 13:09:00 2021 From: tom at makeshyft.com (Tom Glod) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2021 13:09:00 -0400 Subject: Checking the Milliseconds In-Reply-To: <004d01d72bcc$5ec34fe0$1c49efa0$@net> References: <004d01d72bcc$5ec34fe0$1c49efa0$@net> Message-ID: I closed everything down to make sure the core was being used as little as possible. It didn't make a difference in the counts or the variance I reported earlier. I guess its not important, but it sure is curious. I think it means the engine is busy with something most of the time, and once in a while it is less busy?. my numbers seem unusual compared to what you reported. :/ When I build a standalone, its the same kind of variance, just slower ....haha, My numbers look like this. 3122 3155 6405 3157 6404 3206 3203 3158 3246 3201 3190 3205 3202 6391 3135 6259 3144 3192 3201 3201 3201 6348 3193 6305 3200 3199 3204 3201 3283 6994 3582 7049 On Wed, Apr 7, 2021 at 12:34 PM Ralph DiMola via use-livecode < use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > I scanned the results after it was done and got this: > > Max==>3959 > > Min==>1015 > > Ralph DiMola > IT Director > Evergreen Information Services > rdimola at evergreeninfo.net > > > -----Original Message----- > From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On > Behalf > Of Tom Glod via use-livecode > Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2021 12:03 PM > To: How to use LiveCode > Cc: Tom Glod > Subject: Checking the Milliseconds > > Hey peeps, > > I wanted to measure how many times the LC engine can check the milliseconds > count during each millisecond that passes. > > The results really surprised me, I thought it would be less, but I don't > know why really. > > Anyone want to take a guess? > > What is strange about my results, is that every few milliseconds the amount > of millisecond queries that occurs ...... doubles. > > Why does this happen I wonder? > > Can someone double check if that happens on your CPU? I'm on WIndows 10 on > an i5 4570. > > Here is the code. > -------------------------------------- > > local last_known_millisecond > local queries = 0 > local report > > on mouseUp > lock screen > put empty into report > local x > repeat 1000 times > add 1 to x > put 0 into queries > put the milliseconds into last_known_millisecond > repeat forever > add 1 to queries > if the milliseconds = last_known_millisecond then > next repeat > else > exit repeat > end if > end repeat > put queries into line x of report > end repeat > unlock screen > put report > end mouseUp > > -- > Tom Glod > Founder & Developer > MakeShyft R.D.A (www.makeshyft.com) > Mobile:647.562.9411 > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- Tom Glod Founder & Developer MakeShyft R.D.A (www.makeshyft.com) Mobile:647.562.9411 From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net Wed Apr 7 13:20:05 2021 From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2021 13:20:05 -0400 Subject: Help! I'm stuck In-Reply-To: <40c77e03-e74f-1d1b-a6de-cbc378749442@pair.com> References: <1789da07d20.27a5.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com> <40c77e03-e74f-1d1b-a6de-cbc378749442@pair.com> Message-ID: <004f01d72bd2$438623f0$ca926bd0$@net> I never built a non-mobile standalone for the first 5 years of using LC. For a mobile build nothing gets closed and gets built from the stack(s) files on disk. What a surprise I got when I built my first desktop standalone. I initially thought that something was very wrong with the IDE and restarted. After some searches I found that this is the correct behavior??? I guess there is a reason for closing the stack(s) but I find it very odd indeed. Ralph DiMola IT Director Evergreen Information Services rdimola at evergreeninfo.net -----Original Message----- From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2021 1:03 PM To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Cc: Curry Kenworthy Subject: Re: Help! I'm stuck Jacqueline: > It's not a bug, it was intentionally introduced to allow a couple > of features, like retaining script local variables after a build. > Given the amount of extra scripting to work around it for existing > stacks, I think it may have introduced more problems than it tried > to cure. Agreed! I was too busy the other day but wanted to chime in: This was a baffling case of doubling-down on a wonky and toxic "fix." The problems introduced were far more numerous than those "fixed." I pointed this out right away, but it seems that hubris prevailed. LC Ltd needs a more consistent vision of what LC is and how it works. Result: workarounds are often needed for standard builds. In what RAD paradigm should users have to workaround the IDE? If that's a question we're even needing to ask, we may be in trouble. (My own stack design usually makes this a moot point. I wasn't affected. But I saw the expense and pain this caused, plus a troubling precedent.) So ... isn't it great they teach everyone to double down these days? :) Turning off messages - good tactic, although it won't work for everyone. Back to work, take care all.... Best wishes, Curry Kenworthy Custom Software Development "Better Methods, Better Results" LiveCode Training and Consulting http://livecodeconsulting.com/ _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From klaus at major-k.de Wed Apr 7 13:17:19 2021 From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2021 19:17:19 +0200 Subject: More Android woes Message-ID: <75E78B81-D951-48C5-A7B5-54118C48511B@major-k.de> Hi all, macOS 10.14.6, LC 9.6.2 rc4 Today i removed JAVA 9.x, installed JAVA 8 and "Android Studio.app" on my Mac. then after hours of despair (why on earth must this be so difficult?) I could tell LC where the SDk etc. were. But only with the help of this forum thread and a Bernard, thank you Bernard! I checked "Do not sign" for my Android app/stack, if that does matter. I created a virtual device and was so happy that LC finally started to compile my stack for Android, when suddenly I got an LC error saying: ---------------------------------------------------------- Unable to build app for testing: unable to locate play service dependency base version 9.0.4 ---------------------------------------------------------- So what am I still missing? Anything else I need to install? Thanks for any hint! Best Klaus -- Klaus Major https://www.major-k.de https://www.major-k.de/bass klaus at major-k.de From tom at makeshyft.com Wed Apr 7 13:17:32 2021 From: tom at makeshyft.com (Tom Glod) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2021 13:17:32 -0400 Subject: Checking the Milliseconds In-Reply-To: <004e01d72bcf$9ccdda00$d6698e00$@net> References: <004e01d72bcf$9ccdda00$d6698e00$@net> Message-ID: I think I realized the problem.... will test to confirm. I think the Max is actually what the avg should be. I think the writing to the variable is what increases the time between those queries. On Wed, Apr 7, 2021 at 12:58 PM Ralph DiMola via use-livecode < use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > I added an average. i7-6700 3.4GHz 8 cores in the VM > > Run 1: > Max==>4586 > Min==>460 > Average==>3096.058 > > Run 2: > Max==>7573 > Min==>460 > Average==>3835.764743 > > Run 3: > Max==>7573 > Min==>728 > Average==>2947.388 > > Interesting.... > > Ralph DiMola > IT Director > Evergreen Information Services > rdimola at evergreeninfo.net > > > -----Original Message----- > From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On > Behalf > Of Tom Glod via use-livecode > Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2021 12:03 PM > To: How to use LiveCode > Cc: Tom Glod > Subject: Checking the Milliseconds > > Hey peeps, > > I wanted to measure how many times the LC engine can check the milliseconds > count during each millisecond that passes. > > The results really surprised me, I thought it would be less, but I don't > know why really. > > Anyone want to take a guess? > > What is strange about my results, is that every few milliseconds the amount > of millisecond queries that occurs ...... doubles. > > Why does this happen I wonder? > > Can someone double check if that happens on your CPU? I'm on WIndows 10 on > an i5 4570. > > Here is the code. > -------------------------------------- > > local last_known_millisecond > local queries = 0 > local report > > on mouseUp > lock screen > put empty into report > local x > repeat 1000 times > add 1 to x > put 0 into queries > put the milliseconds into last_known_millisecond > repeat forever > add 1 to queries > if the milliseconds = last_known_millisecond then > next repeat > else > exit repeat > end if > end repeat > put queries into line x of report > end repeat > unlock screen > put report > end mouseUp > > -- > Tom Glod > Founder & Developer > MakeShyft R.D.A (www.makeshyft.com) > Mobile:647.562.9411 > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- Tom Glod Founder & Developer MakeShyft R.D.A (www.makeshyft.com) Mobile:647.562.9411 From sean at pidigital.co.uk Wed Apr 7 13:52:50 2021 From: sean at pidigital.co.uk (Sean Cole (Pi)) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2021 18:52:50 +0100 Subject: Find Replace in Script Editor with cr In-Reply-To: References:

Message-ID: tehe ;) Thanks Curry - a bit of relief. Sean On Wed, 7 Apr 2021 at 17:02, Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode < use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > Sean: > > > if there is a way of replacing using cr > > in the find/replace panel of the script editor. > > So what you are REALLY asking is whether nested style arrays and chained > behaviors can be used with tsNet and DataGrid in a git-compatible > environment to create an IDE within an IDE, via a creepy talking face > emerging from the Test button and utilizing only whitespace and > semicolons sprinkled among seemingly-random iterations of the first 17 > words of the song Imagine? ;) > > > BUT IN THE FIND/REPLACE PANEL !!!?? > > Oh, there! I don't know. I never trusted SE enough to use its replace. > Good question! I agree, this is a simple Q and should be documented. > Probably I would write a script for doing this; I'd trust it more. > > Best wishes, > > Curry Kenworthy > > Custom Software Development > "Better Methods, Better Results" > LiveCode Training and Consulting > http://livecodeconsulting.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Wed Apr 7 14:23:37 2021 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2021 13:23:37 -0500 Subject: Find Replace in Script Editor with cr In-Reply-To: References:

<09703557-D81D-4B98-8FEF-731D74931336@gmail.com> <5412446b-134d-ee01-9495-2bc34f20a48e@tweedly.net> Message-ID: On 4/7/21 10:46 AM, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode wrote: > I HAVE created a plugin! I was JUST trying to ask, can I insert a cr using > the replace field of the Find Replace ONLY. > > I flipping already know how LC works for most other things. I dont need > explanations on how to suck effing eggs. Just answer the sodding question. > > Answer nothing but this PLEASE. The answer is "no." > > This is why I end up getting mad! I even just explained this in my last > post. Why are you all unable to READ!!!!!!! ??????? > > Sean > > PS > Morons. I'm offended by your Insulting people when they are just trying to help is a good way to get ignored in the future. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From waprothero at gmail.com Wed Apr 7 14:24:42 2021 From: waprothero at gmail.com (William Prothero) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2021 11:24:42 -0700 Subject: Help! I'm stuck In-Reply-To: <004f01d72bd2$438623f0$ca926bd0$@net> References: <1789da07d20.27a5.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com> <40c77e03-e74f-1d1b-a6de-cbc378749442@pair.com> <004f01d72bd2$438623f0$ca926bd0$@net> Message-ID: <071C80C6-E2E5-4251-8CC5-DA33134FEF14@gmail.com> Ralph and Curry: Fortunately, I took a break for a week before trying your solutions. For someone who doesn?t do this every day, it is a confusing mess and I suppose that somewhere there is an explanation in the help files of what to do, but my cursory searches didn?t find anything for such a complicated project I was trying to build. Thank heavens for this list! I also agree that it would be a really good thing if the IDE, or the mothership provided more help for the ever-changing security requirements for Apple mobile and desktop builds. Best, Bill Prothero > On Apr 7, 2021, at 10:20 AM, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode wrote: > > I never built a non-mobile standalone for the first 5 years of using LC. For > a mobile build nothing gets closed and gets built from the stack(s) files on > disk. What a surprise I got when I built my first desktop standalone. I > initially thought that something was very wrong with the IDE and restarted. > After some searches I found that this is the correct behavior??? I guess > there is a reason for closing the stack(s) but I find it very odd indeed. > > Ralph DiMola > IT Director > Evergreen Information Services > rdimola at evergreeninfo.net > > > -----Original Message----- > From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf > Of Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode > Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2021 1:03 PM > To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Cc: Curry Kenworthy > Subject: Re: Help! I'm stuck > > > Jacqueline: > >> It's not a bug, it was intentionally introduced to allow a couple > of > features, like retaining script local variables after a build. >> Given the amount of extra scripting to work around it for existing > > stacks, I think it may have introduced more problems than it tried > to > cure. > > Agreed! I was too busy the other day but wanted to chime in: > This was a baffling case of doubling-down on a wonky and toxic "fix." > > The problems introduced were far more numerous than those "fixed." > I pointed this out right away, but it seems that hubris prevailed. > LC Ltd needs a more consistent vision of what LC is and how it works. > > Result: workarounds are often needed for standard builds. > In what RAD paradigm should users have to workaround the IDE? > If that's a question we're even needing to ask, we may be in trouble. > > (My own stack design usually makes this a moot point. I wasn't affected. > But I saw the expense and pain this caused, plus a troubling precedent.) > > So ... isn't it great they teach everyone to double down these days? :) > Turning off messages - good tactic, although it won't work for everyone. > > Back to work, take care all.... > > Best wishes, > > Curry Kenworthy > > Custom Software Development > "Better Methods, Better Results" > LiveCode Training and Consulting > http://livecodeconsulting.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode William Prothero waprothero at gmail.com From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Wed Apr 7 14:27:09 2021 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2021 13:27:09 -0500 Subject: Help! I'm stuck In-Reply-To: <40c77e03-e74f-1d1b-a6de-cbc378749442@pair.com> References: <1789da07d20.27a5.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com> <40c77e03-e74f-1d1b-a6de-cbc378749442@pair.com> Message-ID: On 4/7/21 12:03 PM, Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode wrote: > The problems introduced were far more numerous than those "fixed." A good compromise would be providing a checkbox in standalone settings where we can decide whether we want to preserve local variables or not. If we don't care, the SB should go ahead and lock messages. The default setting should be to lock messages as it always has. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From merakosp at gmail.com Wed Apr 7 14:33:40 2021 From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis merakos) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2021 21:33:40 +0300 Subject: More Android woes In-Reply-To: <75E78B81-D951-48C5-A7B5-54118C48511B@major-k.de> References: <75E78B81-D951-48C5-A7B5-54118C48511B@major-k.de> Message-ID: Hello Klaus, Does your stack by any chance include a barcode scanner widget? I think you should follow the workaround described here: https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=22384 Regards, Panos On Wed, 7 Apr 2021, 20:18 Klaus major-k via use-livecode, < use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > Hi all, > > macOS 10.14.6, LC 9.6.2 rc4 > > Today i removed JAVA 9.x, installed JAVA 8 > and "Android Studio.app" on my Mac. > > then after hours of despair (why on earth must this be so difficult?) > I could tell LC where the SDk etc. were. > > But only with the help of this forum thread and a Bernard, thank you > Bernard! > < > https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=34837&sid=2ba2b2897a4ee75dc97296d0904fe77b > > > > I checked "Do not sign" for my Android app/stack, if that does matter. > > I created a virtual device and was so happy that LC finally started to > compile > my stack for Android, when suddenly I got an LC error saying: > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Unable to build app for testing: > unable to locate play service dependency base version 9.0.4 > ---------------------------------------------------------- > So what am I still missing? > Anything else I need to install? > > Thanks for any hint! > > > Best > > Klaus > > -- > Klaus Major > https://www.major-k.de > https://www.major-k.de/bass > klaus at major-k.de > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From klaus at major-k.de Wed Apr 7 14:37:23 2021 From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2021 20:37:23 +0200 Subject: More Android woes In-Reply-To: References: <75E78B81-D951-48C5-A7B5-54118C48511B@major-k.de> Message-ID: <69125A5F-9131-45EB-901A-A822130DAB30@major-k.de> Hi Panos, > Am 07.04.2021 um 20:33 schrieb panagiotis merakos via use-livecode : > > Hello Klaus, > > Does your stack by any chance include a barcode scanner widget? I think you > should follow the workaround described here: > > https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=22384 EX-ACTLY! Thank you, that was it. :-) > Regards, > Panos Best Klaus -- Klaus Major https://www.major-k.de https://www.major-k.de/bass klaus at major-k.de From Bernd.Niggemann at uni-wh.de Wed Apr 7 15:57:44 2021 From: Bernd.Niggemann at uni-wh.de (Niggemann, Bernd) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2021 19:57:44 +0000 Subject: Checking the Milliseconds Message-ID: <91565317-8151-4B0F-B435-0ECC08869FCD@uni-wh.de> I tried this and got pretty constant results except for maybe the first ten iterations. I figured if you just jump in with the milliseconds you would not be at the "beginning" of the milliseconds and added a repeat loop to mitigate that effect. Furthermore I appended the result to a variable. ------------------------------------------- local last_known_millisecond local queries = 0 local report local longSecs, tMs on mouseUp lock screen put empty into report --let it start at a flip of the ms repeat put the milliseconds into tMs if char -1 of tMs is 0 then exit repeat end if end repeat repeat 1000 times put 0 into queries put the long seconds into longSecs put the milliseconds into last_known_millisecond repeat forever add 1 to queries if the milliseconds = last_known_millisecond then next repeat else exit repeat end if end repeat put queries && (the long seconds - longSecs) * 1000 & cr after report end repeat unlock screen put report end mouseUp -------------------------- From iphonelagi at gmail.com Wed Apr 7 15:57:56 2021 From: iphonelagi at gmail.com (Lagi Pittas) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2021 20:57:56 +0100 Subject: [ANN] Release 9.6.2 RC-4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi The unresponsiveness in Big Su is fixed and Ive only been asking for 3 or 4 years that the unresponsiveness in windows 10 (and probably 7) is fixed. I have a 10th generation core I7 with 16G of ram and it runs like molasses - especially when using the debugger. Ive tried EVERYTHING short of running out in the F**g street naked whistling Dixie and NOBODY at HQ thinks its worth looking at the editor. Others here have said the same thing - maybe that is why Trevor uses sublime. Please don't tell me to exclude AV. I don't have AV , I exclude defender as well (the grey stuff between my ears is the best AV I have found). Unresponsive to me is typing 10 characters and seeing them appear one by 1 after I have finished typing , or waiting for 3 4 or more seconds between each debugger step .. I DON'T KNOW WHY I WASTE MY TIME!! Ive written longer rants than this but I leave them in the draft ( a la Honest Abe) so as not to offend, but the slow pace since the LCFM project (jam tomorrow) is a joke and we are charged yearly for mainly bug fixes of regressions. Lagi p.s. while i'm in rant mode - what about the sqlite library? ..... which reminds me of open language , which remi ........ HELLO ANYBODY LISTENING!!! On Wed, 7 Apr 2021 at 14:48, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode < use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > Dear list members, > > We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.2 RC-4. > > > Getting the Release > =================== > You can get the release at https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/ or via > the automatic updater. > > > Release Contents > ================ > LiveCode 9.6.2 RC-4 comes with 1 regression fix: > > - Fix unresponsiveness of engine when scrolling on Big Sur > > For the full list of all fixes, updates and enhancements please see the > release notes: > > http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/9_6_2/LiveCodeNotes-9_6_2_rc_4.pdf > > > Known issues > ============ > - The Browser widget's native layer is not shown in some Linux distros with > Cinnamon window manager. > - The use of the Browser widget is not supported on Ubuntu 18.04 64 bit LTS > yet. > > > Required Software > ================= > To build iOS apps with LiveCode you must have the appropriate versions of > Xcode as follows: > > - macOS 10.13.4: Xcode 10.1 - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS 12.1 > SDK > - macOS 10.14.4: Xcode 11.3.x - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS > 13.2 SDK > - macOS 10.15.4+: Xcode 12.1.x - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS > 14.1 SDK > > There is a full list of working LiveCode/macOS/Xcode combinations here: > https://livecode.com/docs/9-5-0/faq/faq/ > > Note: Whilst we endeavour to release updated versions of LiveCode > supporting the latest Xcode/iOS SDKs as quickly as possible; we strongly > recommend disabling automatic update of Xcode or downloading the specific > version of Xcode required directly from the Apple developer portal and > installing it separately. > > Important: From the end of June 2020, Apple is only accepting apps built > using iOS13 SDKs. This means that, if you wish to submit apps to the > AppStore you will have to be running at least macOS 10.14 in order to be > able to install the necessary version of Xcode. > > > Feedback > ======== > Please report any bugs encountered on our quality center at > http://quality.livecode.com/ > > We have a forum available for discussing LiveCode Builder at > http://forums.livecode.com/viewforum.php?f=93 > > > Have fun! > The LiveCode Team > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- KIndest Regards Lagi From tom at makeshyft.com Wed Apr 7 16:24:22 2021 From: tom at makeshyft.com (Tom Glod) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2021 16:24:22 -0400 Subject: [ANN] Release 9.6.2 RC-4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Lagi, What unresponsiveness in windows 10 are you referring to? the one that needs wait 0 with messages to avoid a frozen window? I just reported what i think is a bug that has been there for years and thats endless high cpu usage when using -ui flag ..... on WIndows 10 ... and 7. I think. I regret not submitting it when I first came across it. Lesson learned. Thanks, Tom On Wed, Apr 7, 2021 at 3:59 PM Lagi Pittas via use-livecode < use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > Hi > > The unresponsiveness in Big Su is fixed and Ive only been asking for 3 or 4 > years that the unresponsiveness in windows 10 (and probably 7) > is fixed. > > I have a 10th generation core I7 with 16G of ram and it runs like molasses > - especially when using the debugger. > Ive tried EVERYTHING short of running out in the F**g street naked > whistling Dixie and NOBODY at HQ thinks its worth looking at the editor. > Others here have said the same thing - maybe that is why Trevor uses > sublime. > > Please don't tell me to exclude AV. I don't have AV , I exclude defender as > well (the grey stuff between my ears is the best AV I have found). > > Unresponsive to me is typing 10 characters and seeing them appear one by > 1 after I have finished typing , or waiting for 3 4 or more seconds > between each debugger step .. > > I DON'T KNOW WHY I WASTE MY TIME!! > > Ive written longer rants than this but I leave them in the draft ( a la > Honest Abe) so as not to offend, but the slow pace since the LCFM project > (jam tomorrow) > is a joke and we are charged yearly for mainly bug fixes of regressions. > > Lagi > > p.s. while i'm in rant mode - what about the sqlite library? ..... > > which reminds me of open language , which remi ........ > > HELLO ANYBODY LISTENING!!! > > On Wed, 7 Apr 2021 at 14:48, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode < > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > Dear list members, > > > > We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.2 RC-4. > > > > > > Getting the Release > > =================== > > You can get the release at https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/ or > via > > the automatic updater. > > > > > > Release Contents > > ================ > > LiveCode 9.6.2 RC-4 comes with 1 regression fix: > > > > - Fix unresponsiveness of engine when scrolling on Big Sur > > > > For the full list of all fixes, updates and enhancements please see the > > release notes: > > > > > http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/9_6_2/LiveCodeNotes-9_6_2_rc_4.pdf > > > > > > Known issues > > ============ > > - The Browser widget's native layer is not shown in some Linux distros > with > > Cinnamon window manager. > > - The use of the Browser widget is not supported on Ubuntu 18.04 64 bit > LTS > > yet. > > > > > > Required Software > > ================= > > To build iOS apps with LiveCode you must have the appropriate versions of > > Xcode as follows: > > > > - macOS 10.13.4: Xcode 10.1 - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS > 12.1 > > SDK > > - macOS 10.14.4: Xcode 11.3.x - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS > > 13.2 SDK > > - macOS 10.15.4+: Xcode 12.1.x - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS > > 14.1 SDK > > > > There is a full list of working LiveCode/macOS/Xcode combinations here: > > https://livecode.com/docs/9-5-0/faq/faq/ > > > > Note: Whilst we endeavour to release updated versions of LiveCode > > supporting the latest Xcode/iOS SDKs as quickly as possible; we strongly > > recommend disabling automatic update of Xcode or downloading the specific > > version of Xcode required directly from the Apple developer portal and > > installing it separately. > > > > Important: From the end of June 2020, Apple is only accepting apps built > > using iOS13 SDKs. This means that, if you wish to submit apps to the > > AppStore you will have to be running at least macOS 10.14 in order to be > > able to install the necessary version of Xcode. > > > > > > Feedback > > ======== > > Please report any bugs encountered on our quality center at > > http://quality.livecode.com/ > > > > We have a forum available for discussing LiveCode Builder at > > http://forums.livecode.com/viewforum.php?f=93 > > > > > > Have fun! > > The LiveCode Team > > > > > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > -- > KIndest Regards Lagi > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- Tom Glod Founder & Developer MakeShyft R.D.A (www.makeshyft.com) Mobile:647.562.9411 From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com Wed Apr 7 16:52:33 2021 From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2021 20:52:33 +0000 Subject: Help! I'm stuck In-Reply-To: References: <1789da07d20.27a5.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com> <40c77e03-e74f-1d1b-a6de-cbc378749442@pair.com> Message-ID: +1 > On Apr 7, 2021, at 11:27 , J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote: > > On 4/7/21 12:03 PM, Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode wrote: >> The problems introduced were far more numerous than those "fixed." > > A good compromise would be providing a checkbox in standalone settings where we can decide whether we want to preserve local variables or not. If we don't care, the SB should go ahead and lock messages. The default setting should be to lock messages as it always has. > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From paul at researchware.com Wed Apr 7 17:16:20 2021 From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2021 17:16:20 -0400 Subject: [ANN] Release 9.6.2 RC-4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 4/7/2021 3:57 PM, Lagi Pittas via use-livecode wrote: > Unresponsive to me is typing 10 characters and seeing them appear one by > 1 after I have finished typing , or waiting for 3 4 or more seconds > between each debugger step .. I'm not saying you're not seeing an unacceptable slow down on your system, but as another data point, I have a Windows 10, Dell laptop with a AMD Ryzen 5 (equivalent of Intel i5) with 16GB and HDD (not SDD) and I don't see any slow downs like this in LC9.6.2rc 1,2,3 or 4. When I am developing, I am generally only running a email client, browser, text editor, and LiveCode. Windows IDE responsiveness seems about the same as my 16gb MacBook Pro, maybe a hair faster, but then again I use the Windows laptop a little more often than the MacBook so its hard to say. I do experience occasions where WIndows 10 slows down - badly - typing 10 characters and waiting 5-10 seconds before any of them appear. Some of these occasions I have correlated with downloads of Windows updates. Other I can't explain. From alex at tweedly.net Wed Apr 7 18:09:52 2021 From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2021 23:09:52 +0100 Subject: Find Replace in Script Editor with cr In-Reply-To: References:

<09703557-D81D-4B98-8FEF-731D74931336@gmail.com> <5412446b-134d-ee01-9495-2bc34f20a48e@tweedly.net> Message-ID: On 07/04/2021 16:46, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode wrote: > FFS Alex, > > I HAVE created a plugin! I was JUST trying to ask, can I insert a cr using > the replace field of the Find Replace ONLY. And now I have too. And I found that fun and interesting. Thank you for triggering this interesting activity for me. I'm sorry that my telling the list about it caused you offence, and then caused you to ? try your best to offend me. Sorry - you didn't really succeed. > I flipping already know how LC works for most other things. I dont need > explanations on how to suck effing eggs. Just answer the sodding question. > > Answer nothing but this PLEASE. OK. Any future question you ask, I will answer simply :"no". Alex. From tom at makeshyft.com Wed Apr 7 18:14:11 2021 From: tom at makeshyft.com (Tom Glod) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2021 18:14:11 -0400 Subject: Checking the Milliseconds In-Reply-To: <91565317-8151-4B0F-B435-0ECC08869FCD@uni-wh.de> References: <91565317-8151-4B0F-B435-0ECC08869FCD@uni-wh.de> Message-ID: Excellent ... Yes the 1st one was usually the one that was the lowest for me, for the reason you described. But you also cleared up the mysterious big jumps,I too now get a consistent result. Thanks for chimming in On Wed, Apr 7, 2021 at 3:59 PM Niggemann, Bernd via use-livecode < use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > I tried this and got pretty constant results except for maybe the first > ten iterations. I figured if you just jump in with the milliseconds you > would not be at the "beginning" of the milliseconds and added a repeat loop > to mitigate that effect. Furthermore I appended the result to a variable. > > ------------------------------------------- > local last_known_millisecond > local queries = 0 > local report > local longSecs, tMs > > on mouseUp > lock screen > put empty into report > > --let it start at a flip of the ms > repeat > put the milliseconds into tMs > if char -1 of tMs is 0 then > exit repeat > end if > end repeat > > repeat 1000 times > put 0 into queries > put the long seconds into longSecs > put the milliseconds into last_known_millisecond > repeat forever > add 1 to queries > if the milliseconds = last_known_millisecond then > next repeat > else > exit repeat > end if > end repeat > put queries && (the long seconds - longSecs) * 1000 & cr after > report > end repeat > > unlock screen > put report > end mouseUp > -------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- Tom Glod Founder & Developer MakeShyft R.D.A (www.makeshyft.com) Mobile:647.562.9411 From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com Wed Apr 7 18:35:20 2021 From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2021 22:35:20 +0000 Subject: [ANN] Release 9.6.2 RC-4 In-Reply-To: