ProtonMail vs Apple

Fri Aug 7 16:16:37 EDT 2020

Apple created a closed platform with their own store and rules.  Now that they are successful to say that they must change seems incorrect.  For whatever reason people like the product and I think a big part IS the store and model.  I don’t think another store is the answer and rather think it would be a detriment.

Comparing Apple to Google is at the core different.  One started as an open platform and one started closed.  There really aren’t any other platforms that are viable in the smart phone space.

When your bring up competition, there are other remedies that could be implemented.  Allowing direct competition to their own apps could possibly be required.  Pandora and Amazon Music are a couple of direct competitors that are available.  Same thing goes for video.

There are other closed platforms.  A good example is the video game market.  Can you download a game from another store than the one the maker provides?  What is their cut on games?  Can anyone submit free games that anyone can download?

Brian

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> On Aug 7, 2020, at 3:36 PM, Andre Garzia via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Brian,
> 
> It is not about Apple allowing clones. It is about Apple opening iOS for
> other stores. Every other platform has multiple app stores, for example, on
> my Samsung Galaxy Note 8 I have Play Store, Galaxy Store, F-Droid, and some
> apps that were sideloaded after being purchased/downloaded from the web.
> 
> Apple with its monopoly of what can run on iOS has been preventing not only
> any app that would compete with their own apps (such as alternative web
> engines) but also using double standards to enforce their ruling, favouring
> rich clients and hurting small ISVs, such as the case of protonmail and
> others. If Apple decides iOS is not a place for your software, you're dead.
> If Google decides you can't be on Play Store, you can still place your app
> on other stores and ship them from your website yourself.
> 
>> On Fri, 7 Aug 2020 at 19:28, Brian Milby via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Not sure the question is relevant.  You chose to buy the iHouse over the
>> droidHouse for some reason.  Maybe you wanted to live in the neighborhood
>> with the lowest crime rate.
>> 
>> Also, until Apple is forced to allow other companies to make compatible
>> phones, I don’t see how the logic works.  Google doesn’t make the only
>> Android phone.
>> 
>> When I read Apple’s guidelines I don’t see anything about price parity.
>> You can’t point out that it is cheaper elsewhere, but are you required to
>> charge the same?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Aug 7, 2020, at 2:16 PM, Andre Garzia via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Jim,
>>> 
>>>> Even with 58% of the US smartphone market Apple does not actually have a
>>> monopoly.
>>>> Now there may be plenty of good reasons to object to Apple’s app store
>>> policies but let’s not misuse the term monopoly.
>>> 
>>> There is another way to approach this. Apple has the monopoly of the iOS
>>> market, they can dictate and abuse their authority in that market and
>> there
>>> is nothing iOS users can do about that. There is no other app store to
>> buy
>>> apps from. Now contrast that with Android. Google doesn't have the
>> monopoly
>>> on Android. You have other app stores besides Google Play, other device
>>> makers, and as a developer you can ship apps on your own and on all or
>> any
>>> of the stores.
>>> 
>>> If you allow me an analogy, imagine that you bought an iHouse, it is a
>>> pleasant house, very elegant. Still, all the furniture, all the food,
>>> everything you might ever want to put inside your iHouse needs to come
>> from
>>> Apple Store. Is that still your house? Does Apple have a monopoly?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Fri, 7 Aug 2020 at 18:20, Jim Lambert via use-livecode <
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> "A monopoly refers to when a company and its product offerings dominate
>> a
>>>> sector or industry. Monopolies can be considered an extreme result of
>>>> free-market capitalism <
>>>> https://www.investopedia.com/terms/f/freemarket.asp> in that absent any
>>>> restriction or restraints, a single company or group becomes large
>> enough
>>>> to own all or nearly all of the market (goods, supplies, commodities,
>>>> infrastructure, and assets) for a particular type of product or service.
>>>> The term monopoly is often used to describe an entity that has total or
>>>> near-total control of a market.”
>>>> https://www.investopedia.com/terms/m/monopoly.asp
>>>> 
>>>> Even with 58% of the US smartphone market Apple does not actually have a
>>>> monopoly.
>>>> Now there may be plenty of good reasons to object to Apple’s app store
>>>> policies but let’s not misuse the term monopoly.
>>>> 
>>>> Jim Lambert
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