From terry.judd at unimelb.edu.au Fri Sep 1 00:11:38 2017 From: terry.judd at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 04:11:38 +0000 Subject: [off]macbook model In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <70EE2F91-4D34-42F3-87CE-493FF5C14BDD@unimelb.edu.au> I?m a bit like you, I have an aging Air and will probably replace it soon with a 13 inch Macbook Pro (without the touch bar). Portability is important to me so 15 inch is too big to lug around (I had couple of Macbook Pro 15 inch models prior to the Air, so know what that?s like). Screen real estate is an issue for me though and when I?m in the office, at work or home, I tend to hook into an external monitor (one is 21 inch the other 23) and this makes things a lot easier for LC development ? particularly for mobile stuff, where I often have LC and the simulator open or even two copies of LC. If portability was a non-issue I?d be very tempted by a 27 inch iMac, but even at home I do find myself using my Air in different places for different reasons on quite a regular basis. That flexibility would be tough to give up. Terry... On 1/09/2017 11:53 am, "use-livecode on behalf of Mike Kerner via use-livecode" wrote: I'm thinking of replacing my 2011 macbook air with a new macbook, but I'm torn on which one to go for. Primary uses are going to be LC development and browser goodness. Before anyone chimes in about Windoze or LInux, I already have both of those covered. Things I'm wondering about: 1) Screen real estate: Appearance aside, is there an advantage to retina? Do I get more working space if I don't go to a 15" display? 2) I don't notice the speed of this box affecting much of anything. For development, does cpu really matter? I suspect I'd do better with some more memory, but has anyone noticed that it matters? 3) I can get a 27" 5k imac pretty nicely equipped for the same price as a 15" MBP. Ignoring the portability issue, any thoughts? -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, "This is good." _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From tfabacher at gmail.com Fri Sep 1 03:25:35 2017 From: tfabacher at gmail.com (Todd Fabacher) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 09:25:35 +0200 Subject: Subject: Re: LC and OneSignal Message-ID: Hello LiveCoders, Good News!!! The team of Digital Pomegranate did a project with onesignal push notification last year. We are actually in the progress of upgrading the lib now. So if someone is interested in it, please contact me and I will make arrangements to get you a version. Also as an added side note. We are upgrading our WordPress Rest API to tsNet for Async communications and upgrading to the new WP + Woo Commerce changes. We are looking to put all of the work we do in LiveCode on the internet. Most will be open source [as much as we can because some we have NDAs on and we can release code] and we are thinking that we can put in a section on our website. But LiveCode could use the LiveCode.org to create a section that lists open source projects and where to download the code. There needs to be a better way for all of us to share projects and code snippets. Any suggestions???? We can build and host something if there is a good idea. For all of our benefits, we should grow the community by 10,000. They will take efforts from EVERYONE. --Todd From jonathandlynch at gmail.com Fri Sep 1 06:22:57 2017 From: jonathandlynch at gmail.com (jonathandlynch at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 06:22:57 -0400 Subject: Subject: Re: LC and OneSignal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <97F41249-E12A-44D6-9817-97D00CE36A60@gmail.com> Hi Todd, I share on LiveCode share and a few things on the forum. Will that do? They are not organized like Git Hub, but easy enough for my needs. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 1, 2017, at 3:25 AM, Todd Fabacher via use-livecode wrote: > > Hello LiveCoders, > > Good News!!! The team of Digital Pomegranate did a project with onesignal push > notification last year. We are actually in the progress of upgrading the > lib now. So if someone is interested in it, please contact me and I will > make arrangements to get you a version. > > Also as an added side note. We are upgrading our WordPress Rest API to > tsNet for Async communications and upgrading to the new WP + Woo Commerce > changes. > > We are looking to put all of the work we do in LiveCode on the internet. > Most will be open source [as much as we can because some we have NDAs on > and we can release code] and we are thinking that we can put in a section > on our website. But LiveCode could use the LiveCode.org to create a > section that lists open source projects and where to download the code. > > There needs to be a better way for all of us to share projects and > code snippets. > Any suggestions???? We can build and host something if there is a good > idea. For all of our benefits, we should grow the community by 10,000. They > will take efforts from EVERYONE. > > --Todd > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From jonathandlynch at gmail.com Fri Sep 1 06:46:09 2017 From: jonathandlynch at gmail.com (jonathandlynch at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 06:46:09 -0400 Subject: Does exporting a snapshot from a rect work on mobile? In-Reply-To: <15e3b352fd8.285b.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com> References: <47272639-0763-4275-903C-221E7C520681@gmail.com> <408C7788-D745-42D9-BB80-96B2CEBFABF7@livecode.org> <77bb60455484b349449e7abeb38f3f76@livecode.com> <98ACC448-A52E-435B-88FD-8812DF522A11@gmail.com> <5337409B-2194-474C-9A82-CDBCB9452E22@gmail.com> <1AC4703F-2C91-4D61-B98D-DC7963589836@gmail.com> <570ae388-dfa0-370e-3ec8-b1587dfef211@sonic.net> <8D914337-651B-4094-96EA-3EA9DDA0D6DA@gmail.com> <2B17862F-56D3-4ECF-8E5F-A41DB3EF0D77@gmail.com> <15e3b352fd8.285b.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <04ACA30F-F797-43B8-93C0-937E76960557@gmail.com> Hi Jacqueline, Sadly, that did not help. It received the KeyboardActivated message, and I had it check the effective working screenrect both at that point and again in a handler set to trigger a second later. They all return results as if the keyboard is not there. This is on a galaxy tab E, with the OS from 2015, so it might just be that this tablet is not very good. However, I need the app to work on most android devices. When I get a more powerful machine, I might test a few of these things again. I can make it do different things depending whether a particular OS resource is available. Thanks! J Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 31, 2017, at 10:11 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote: > > What happens if you check the effective working screenrect in a keyboardActivated handler? > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > > > >> On August 31, 2017 8:04:45 PM Jonathan Lynch via use-livecode wrote: >> >> Actually, never mind, that cannot be it. >> >> I tried the follow script: >> >> on mouseUp >> >> create field "test height" >> >> select after field "test height" >> >> send getEWSR to me in 1 second >> >> end mouseUp >> >> on getEWSR >> >> answer the effective working screenrect >> >> delete field "test height" >> >> end getEWSR >> >> >> it still returns the same screenrect that I get without using "effect >> working", which is the screenrect of the device. >> >> >> Any other ideas? >> >>> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 8:51 PM, wrote: >>> >>> A question for Mark Waddingham... >>> >>> Mark, in my app, in the place in question, the keyboard is activated by a >>> browser widget. Is it possible that this means it is not sending a signal >>> to LC to update the value of the effective working screen rect? >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> > On Aug 31, 2017, at 8:27 PM, jonathandlynch at gmail.com wrote: >>> > >>> > Yes - it makes me want to share whatever I can. >>> > >>> > >>> > Sent from my iPhone >>> > >>> >>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 7:14 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode < >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 08/31/2017 07:33 AM, Jonathan Lynch via use-livecode wrote: >>> >>> Just a random comment - having the CTO of LC directly answer our >>> questions is an incredible benefit to LC developers. >>> >> >>> >> I also want to give a shout out to the supportive community here. This >>> is by far the best online community I've ever had the honor of being a part >>> of. The level of paying things forward is outstanding. >>> >> >>> >> -- >>> >> Mark Wieder >>> >> ahsoftware at gmail.com >>> >> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> use-livecode mailing list >>> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>> >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>> >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Do all things with love >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From roger.e.eller at sealedair.com Fri Sep 1 07:20:07 2017 From: roger.e.eller at sealedair.com (Roger Eller) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 07:20:07 -0400 Subject: Does exporting a snapshot from a rect work on mobile? In-Reply-To: <04ACA30F-F797-43B8-93C0-937E76960557@gmail.com> References: <47272639-0763-4275-903C-221E7C520681@gmail.com> <408C7788-D745-42D9-BB80-96B2CEBFABF7@livecode.org> <77bb60455484b349449e7abeb38f3f76@livecode.com> <98ACC448-A52E-435B-88FD-8812DF522A11@gmail.com> <5337409B-2194-474C-9A82-CDBCB9452E22@gmail.com> <1AC4703F-2C91-4D61-B98D-DC7963589836@gmail.com> <570ae388-dfa0-370e-3ec8-b1587dfef211@sonic.net> <8D914337-651B-4094-96EA-3EA9DDA0D6DA@gmail.com> <2B17862F-56D3-4ECF-8E5F-A41DB3EF0D77@gmail.com> <15e3b352fd8.285b.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com> <04ACA30F-F797-43B8-93C0-937E76960557@gmail.com> Message-ID: This appears to be an old problem (2012). I don't know if there was ever a solution. A best practice was to position any input fields in the top third of the screen. I agree with the consensus that it should be handled automatically, but it is not, obviously. https://www.mail-archive.com/use-livecode at lists.runrev.com/msg29602.html ~Roger On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 6:46 AM, Jonathan Lynch via use-livecode < use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > Hi Jacqueline, > > Sadly, that did not help. It received the KeyboardActivated message, and I > had it check the effective working screenrect both at that point and again > in a handler set to trigger a second later. They all return results as if > the keyboard is not there. > > This is on a galaxy tab E, with the OS from 2015, so it might just be that > this tablet is not very good. However, I need the app to work on most > android devices. > > When I get a more powerful machine, I might test a few of these things > again. I can make it do different things depending whether a particular OS > resource is available. > > Thanks! > > J > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Aug 31, 2017, at 10:11 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode < > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > > What happens if you check the effective working screenrect in a > keyboardActivated handler? > > > > -- > > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > > > > > > > >> On August 31, 2017 8:04:45 PM Jonathan Lynch via use-livecode < > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > >> > >> Actually, never mind, that cannot be it. > >> > >> I tried the follow script: > >> > >> on mouseUp > >> > >> create field "test height" > >> > >> select after field "test height" > >> > >> send getEWSR to me in 1 second > >> > >> end mouseUp > >> > >> on getEWSR > >> > >> answer the effective working screenrect > >> > >> delete field "test height" > >> > >> end getEWSR > >> > >> > >> it still returns the same screenrect that I get without using "effect > >> working", which is the screenrect of the device. > >> > >> > >> Any other ideas? > >> > >>> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 8:51 PM, wrote: > >>> > >>> A question for Mark Waddingham... > >>> > >>> Mark, in my app, in the place in question, the keyboard is activated > by a > >>> browser widget. Is it possible that this means it is not sending a > signal > >>> to LC to update the value of the effective working screen rect? > >>> > >>> Sent from my iPhone > >>> > >>> > On Aug 31, 2017, at 8:27 PM, jonathandlynch at gmail.com wrote: > >>> > > >>> > Yes - it makes me want to share whatever I can. > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > Sent from my iPhone > >>> > > >>> >>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 7:14 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode < > >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > >>> >>> > >>> >>> On 08/31/2017 07:33 AM, Jonathan Lynch via use-livecode wrote: > >>> >>> Just a random comment - having the CTO of LC directly answer our > >>> questions is an incredible benefit to LC developers. > >>> >> > >>> >> I also want to give a shout out to the supportive community here. > This > >>> is by far the best online community I've ever had the honor of being a > part > >>> of. The level of paying things forward is outstanding. > >>> >> > >>> >> -- > >>> >> Mark Wieder > >>> >> ahsoftware at gmail.com > >>> >> > >>> >> _______________________________________________ > >>> >> use-livecode mailing list > >>> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > >>> >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > >>> subscription preferences: > >>> >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Do all things with love > >> _______________________________________________ > >> use-livecode mailing list > >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From merakosp at gmail.com Fri Sep 1 07:24:41 2017 From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis merakos) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 12:24:41 +0100 Subject: Does exporting a snapshot from a rect work on mobile? In-Reply-To: References: <47272639-0763-4275-903C-221E7C520681@gmail.com> <408C7788-D745-42D9-BB80-96B2CEBFABF7@livecode.org> <77bb60455484b349449e7abeb38f3f76@livecode.com> <98ACC448-A52E-435B-88FD-8812DF522A11@gmail.com> <5337409B-2194-474C-9A82-CDBCB9452E22@gmail.com> <1AC4703F-2C91-4D61-B98D-DC7963589836@gmail.com> <570ae388-dfa0-370e-3ec8-b1587dfef211@sonic.net> <8D914337-651B-4094-96EA-3EA9DDA0D6DA@gmail.com> <2B17862F-56D3-4ECF-8E5F-A41DB3EF0D77@gmail.com> <15e3b352fd8.285b.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com> <04ACA30F-F797-43B8-93C0-937E76960557@gmail.com> Message-ID: @Roger according to BZ, this appears to be fixed: http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10410 @Jonathan if this is not the case, could you file a bug report so as we keep track of this issue? Best, Panos -- On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 12:20 PM, Roger Eller via use-livecode < use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > This appears to be an old problem (2012). I don't know if there was ever a > solution. A best practice was to position any input fields in the top > third of the screen. I agree with the consensus that it should be handled > automatically, but it is not, obviously. > > https://www.mail-archive.com/use-livecode at lists.runrev.com/msg29602.html > > ~Roger > > > On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 6:46 AM, Jonathan Lynch via use-livecode < > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > Hi Jacqueline, > > > > Sadly, that did not help. It received the KeyboardActivated message, and > I > > had it check the effective working screenrect both at that point and > again > > in a handler set to trigger a second later. They all return results as if > > the keyboard is not there. > > > > This is on a galaxy tab E, with the OS from 2015, so it might just be > that > > this tablet is not very good. However, I need the app to work on most > > android devices. > > > > When I get a more powerful machine, I might test a few of these things > > again. I can make it do different things depending whether a particular > OS > > resource is available. > > > > Thanks! > > > > J > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > On Aug 31, 2017, at 10:11 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode < > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > > > > What happens if you check the effective working screenrect in a > > keyboardActivated handler? > > > > > > -- > > > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > > > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > > > > > > > > > > > >> On August 31, 2017 8:04:45 PM Jonathan Lynch via use-livecode < > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > >> > > >> Actually, never mind, that cannot be it. > > >> > > >> I tried the follow script: > > >> > > >> on mouseUp > > >> > > >> create field "test height" > > >> > > >> select after field "test height" > > >> > > >> send getEWSR to me in 1 second > > >> > > >> end mouseUp > > >> > > >> on getEWSR > > >> > > >> answer the effective working screenrect > > >> > > >> delete field "test height" > > >> > > >> end getEWSR > > >> > > >> > > >> it still returns the same screenrect that I get without using "effect > > >> working", which is the screenrect of the device. > > >> > > >> > > >> Any other ideas? > > >> > > >>> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 8:51 PM, wrote: > > >>> > > >>> A question for Mark Waddingham... > > >>> > > >>> Mark, in my app, in the place in question, the keyboard is activated > > by a > > >>> browser widget. Is it possible that this means it is not sending a > > signal > > >>> to LC to update the value of the effective working screen rect? > > >>> > > >>> Sent from my iPhone > > >>> > > >>> > On Aug 31, 2017, at 8:27 PM, jonathandlynch at gmail.com wrote: > > >>> > > > >>> > Yes - it makes me want to share whatever I can. > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > Sent from my iPhone > > >>> > > > >>> >>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 7:14 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode < > > >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> On 08/31/2017 07:33 AM, Jonathan Lynch via use-livecode wrote: > > >>> >>> Just a random comment - having the CTO of LC directly answer our > > >>> questions is an incredible benefit to LC developers. > > >>> >> > > >>> >> I also want to give a shout out to the supportive community here. > > This > > >>> is by far the best online community I've ever had the honor of being > a > > part > > >>> of. The level of paying things forward is outstanding. > > >>> >> > > >>> >> -- > > >>> >> Mark Wieder > > >>> >> ahsoftware at gmail.com > > >>> >> > > >>> >> _______________________________________________ > > >>> >> use-livecode mailing list > > >>> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > >>> >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > >>> subscription preferences: > > >>> >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > >>> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> -- > > >> Do all things with love > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> use-livecode mailing list > > >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > use-livecode mailing list > > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From jonathandlynch at gmail.com Fri Sep 1 07:25:18 2017 From: jonathandlynch at gmail.com (jonathandlynch at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 07:25:18 -0400 Subject: Does exporting a snapshot from a rect work on mobile? In-Reply-To: <04ACA30F-F797-43B8-93C0-937E76960557@gmail.com> References: <47272639-0763-4275-903C-221E7C520681@gmail.com> <408C7788-D745-42D9-BB80-96B2CEBFABF7@livecode.org> <77bb60455484b349449e7abeb38f3f76@livecode.com> <98ACC448-A52E-435B-88FD-8812DF522A11@gmail.com> <5337409B-2194-474C-9A82-CDBCB9452E22@gmail.com> <1AC4703F-2C91-4D61-B98D-DC7963589836@gmail.com> <570ae388-dfa0-370e-3ec8-b1587dfef211@sonic.net> <8D914337-651B-4094-96EA-3EA9DDA0D6DA@gmail.com> <2B17862F-56D3-4ECF-8E5F-A41DB3EF0D77@gmail.com> <15e3b352fd8.285b.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com> <04ACA30F-F797-43B8-93C0-937E76960557@gmail.com> Message-ID: <438E7D04-905F-4956-AA59-E8041F8A51F8@gmail.com> The android version is 6.0.1. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 1, 2017, at 6:46 AM, jonathandlynch at gmail.com wrote: > > Hi Jacqueline, > > Sadly, that did not help. It received the KeyboardActivated message, and I had it check the effective working screenrect both at that point and again in a handler set to trigger a second later. They all return results as if the keyboard is not there. > > This is on a galaxy tab E, with the OS from 2015, so it might just be that this tablet is not very good. However, I need the app to work on most android devices. > > When I get a more powerful machine, I might test a few of these things again. I can make it do different things depending whether a particular OS resource is available. > > Thanks! > > J > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Aug 31, 2017, at 10:11 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote: >> >> What happens if you check the effective working screenrect in a keyboardActivated handler? >> >> -- >> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com >> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com >> >> >> >>> On August 31, 2017 8:04:45 PM Jonathan Lynch via use-livecode wrote: >>> >>> Actually, never mind, that cannot be it. >>> >>> I tried the follow script: >>> >>> on mouseUp >>> >>> create field "test height" >>> >>> select after field "test height" >>> >>> send getEWSR to me in 1 second >>> >>> end mouseUp >>> >>> on getEWSR >>> >>> answer the effective working screenrect >>> >>> delete field "test height" >>> >>> end getEWSR >>> >>> >>> it still returns the same screenrect that I get without using "effect >>> working", which is the screenrect of the device. >>> >>> >>> Any other ideas? >>> >>>> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 8:51 PM, wrote: >>>> >>>> A question for Mark Waddingham... >>>> >>>> Mark, in my app, in the place in question, the keyboard is activated by a >>>> browser widget. Is it possible that this means it is not sending a signal >>>> to LC to update the value of the effective working screen rect? >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 8:27 PM, jonathandlynch at gmail.com wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Yes - it makes me want to share whatever I can. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 7:14 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode < >>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 08/31/2017 07:33 AM, Jonathan Lynch via use-livecode wrote: >>>>>>> Just a random comment - having the CTO of LC directly answer our >>>> questions is an incredible benefit to LC developers. >>>>>> >>>>>> I also want to give a shout out to the supportive community here. This >>>> is by far the best online community I've ever had the honor of being a part >>>> of. The level of paying things forward is outstanding. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Mark Wieder >>>>>> ahsoftware at gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> use-livecode mailing list >>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>>> subscription preferences: >>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Do all things with love >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From roger.e.eller at sealedair.com Fri Sep 1 07:29:10 2017 From: roger.e.eller at sealedair.com (Roger Eller) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 07:29:10 -0400 Subject: Does exporting a snapshot from a rect work on mobile? In-Reply-To: References: <47272639-0763-4275-903C-221E7C520681@gmail.com> <408C7788-D745-42D9-BB80-96B2CEBFABF7@livecode.org> <77bb60455484b349449e7abeb38f3f76@livecode.com> <98ACC448-A52E-435B-88FD-8812DF522A11@gmail.com> <5337409B-2194-474C-9A82-CDBCB9452E22@gmail.com> <1AC4703F-2C91-4D61-B98D-DC7963589836@gmail.com> <570ae388-dfa0-370e-3ec8-b1587dfef211@sonic.net> <8D914337-651B-4094-96EA-3EA9DDA0D6DA@gmail.com> <2B17862F-56D3-4ECF-8E5F-A41DB3EF0D77@gmail.com> <15e3b352fd8.285b.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com> <04ACA30F-F797-43B8-93C0-937E76960557@gmail.com> Message-ID: That's awesome! Thank you. On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 7:24 AM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode < use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > @Roger according to BZ, this appears to be fixed: > > http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10410 > > @Jonathan if this is not the case, could you file a bug report so as we > keep track of this issue? > > Best, > Panos > -- > > On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 12:20 PM, Roger Eller via use-livecode < > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > This appears to be an old problem (2012). I don't know if there was > ever a > > solution. A best practice was to position any input fields in the top > > third of the screen. I agree with the consensus that it should be > handled > > automatically, but it is not, obviously. > > > > https://www.mail-archive.com/use-livecode at lists.runrev.com/msg29602.html > > > > ~Roger > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 6:46 AM, Jonathan Lynch via use-livecode < > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > > > Hi Jacqueline, > > > > > > Sadly, that did not help. It received the KeyboardActivated message, > and > > I > > > had it check the effective working screenrect both at that point and > > again > > > in a handler set to trigger a second later. They all return results as > if > > > the keyboard is not there. > > > > > > This is on a galaxy tab E, with the OS from 2015, so it might just be > > that > > > this tablet is not very good. However, I need the app to work on most > > > android devices. > > > > > > When I get a more powerful machine, I might test a few of these things > > > again. I can make it do different things depending whether a particular > > OS > > > resource is available. > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > J > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > > On Aug 31, 2017, at 10:11 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode < > > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > What happens if you check the effective working screenrect in a > > > keyboardActivated handler? > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > > > > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> On August 31, 2017 8:04:45 PM Jonathan Lynch via use-livecode < > > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > >> > > > >> Actually, never mind, that cannot be it. > > > >> > > > >> I tried the follow script: > > > >> > > > >> on mouseUp > > > >> > > > >> create field "test height" > > > >> > > > >> select after field "test height" > > > >> > > > >> send getEWSR to me in 1 second > > > >> > > > >> end mouseUp > > > >> > > > >> on getEWSR > > > >> > > > >> answer the effective working screenrect > > > >> > > > >> delete field "test height" > > > >> > > > >> end getEWSR > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> it still returns the same screenrect that I get without using > "effect > > > >> working", which is the screenrect of the device. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Any other ideas? > > > >> > > > >>> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 8:51 PM, wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>> A question for Mark Waddingham... > > > >>> > > > >>> Mark, in my app, in the place in question, the keyboard is > activated > > > by a > > > >>> browser widget. Is it possible that this means it is not sending a > > > signal > > > >>> to LC to update the value of the effective working screen rect? > > > >>> > > > >>> Sent from my iPhone > > > >>> > > > >>> > On Aug 31, 2017, at 8:27 PM, jonathandlynch at gmail.com wrote: > > > >>> > > > > >>> > Yes - it makes me want to share whatever I can. > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > Sent from my iPhone > > > >>> > > > > >>> >>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 7:14 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode < > > > >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > >>> >>> > > > >>> >>> On 08/31/2017 07:33 AM, Jonathan Lynch via use-livecode wrote: > > > >>> >>> Just a random comment - having the CTO of LC directly answer > our > > > >>> questions is an incredible benefit to LC developers. > > > >>> >> > > > >>> >> I also want to give a shout out to the supportive community > here. > > > This > > > >>> is by far the best online community I've ever had the honor of > being > > a > > > part > > > >>> of. The level of paying things forward is outstanding. > > > >>> >> > > > >>> >> -- > > > >>> >> Mark Wieder > > > >>> >> ahsoftware at gmail.com > > > >>> >> > > > >>> >> _______________________________________________ > > > >>> >> use-livecode mailing list > > > >>> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > > >>> >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > > >>> subscription preferences: > > > >>> >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> -- > > > >> Do all things with love > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > >> use-livecode mailing list > > > >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > > >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > > subscription preferences: > > > >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > use-livecode mailing list > > > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > > subscription preferences: > > > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > use-livecode mailing list > > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > > subscription preferences: > > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From jonathandlynch at gmail.com Fri Sep 1 07:31:24 2017 From: jonathandlynch at gmail.com (jonathandlynch at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 07:31:24 -0400 Subject: Does exporting a snapshot from a rect work on mobile? In-Reply-To: <438E7D04-905F-4956-AA59-E8041F8A51F8@gmail.com> References: <47272639-0763-4275-903C-221E7C520681@gmail.com> <408C7788-D745-42D9-BB80-96B2CEBFABF7@livecode.org> <77bb60455484b349449e7abeb38f3f76@livecode.com> <98ACC448-A52E-435B-88FD-8812DF522A11@gmail.com> <5337409B-2194-474C-9A82-CDBCB9452E22@gmail.com> <1AC4703F-2C91-4D61-B98D-DC7963589836@gmail.com> <570ae388-dfa0-370e-3ec8-b1587dfef211@sonic.net> <8D914337-651B-4094-96EA-3EA9DDA0D6DA@gmail.com> <2B17862F-56D3-4ECF-8E5F-A41DB3EF0D77@gmail.com> <15e3b352fd8.285b.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com> <04ACA30F-F797-43B8-93C0-937E76960557@gmail.com> <438E7D04-905F-4956-AA59-E8041F8A51F8@gmail.com> Message-ID: <59F35494-2F72-4AD3-879B-CC7AB8C41BA9@gmail.com> Hi Roger - yup, this problem affects other development environments too. Many have complained about it online. I currently force the input into the top half of the screen. Do you think I should force it even higher? I could just make the input go to the very top when a user enters it. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 1, 2017, at 7:25 AM, jonathandlynch at gmail.com wrote: > > The android version is 6.0.1. > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 1, 2017, at 6:46 AM, jonathandlynch at gmail.com wrote: >> >> Hi Jacqueline, >> >> Sadly, that did not help. It received the KeyboardActivated message, and I had it check the effective working screenrect both at that point and again in a handler set to trigger a second later. They all return results as if the keyboard is not there. >> >> This is on a galaxy tab E, with the OS from 2015, so it might just be that this tablet is not very good. However, I need the app to work on most android devices. >> >> When I get a more powerful machine, I might test a few of these things again. I can make it do different things depending whether a particular OS resource is available. >> >> Thanks! >> >> J >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 10:11 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote: >>> >>> What happens if you check the effective working screenrect in a keyboardActivated handler? >>> >>> -- >>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com >>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com >>> >>> >>> >>>> On August 31, 2017 8:04:45 PM Jonathan Lynch via use-livecode wrote: >>>> >>>> Actually, never mind, that cannot be it. >>>> >>>> I tried the follow script: >>>> >>>> on mouseUp >>>> >>>> create field "test height" >>>> >>>> select after field "test height" >>>> >>>> send getEWSR to me in 1 second >>>> >>>> end mouseUp >>>> >>>> on getEWSR >>>> >>>> answer the effective working screenrect >>>> >>>> delete field "test height" >>>> >>>> end getEWSR >>>> >>>> >>>> it still returns the same screenrect that I get without using "effect >>>> working", which is the screenrect of the device. >>>> >>>> >>>> Any other ideas? >>>> >>>>> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 8:51 PM, wrote: >>>>> >>>>> A question for Mark Waddingham... >>>>> >>>>> Mark, in my app, in the place in question, the keyboard is activated by a >>>>> browser widget. Is it possible that this means it is not sending a signal >>>>> to LC to update the value of the effective working screen rect? >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 8:27 PM, jonathandlynch at gmail.com wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Yes - it makes me want to share whatever I can. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 7:14 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode < >>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 08/31/2017 07:33 AM, Jonathan Lynch via use-livecode wrote: >>>>>>>> Just a random comment - having the CTO of LC directly answer our >>>>> questions is an incredible benefit to LC developers. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I also want to give a shout out to the supportive community here. This >>>>> is by far the best online community I've ever had the honor of being a part >>>>> of. The level of paying things forward is outstanding. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Mark Wieder >>>>>>> ahsoftware at gmail.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> use-livecode mailing list >>>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>>>> subscription preferences: >>>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Do all things with love >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> use-livecode mailing list >>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From roger.e.eller at sealedair.com Fri Sep 1 07:57:17 2017 From: roger.e.eller at sealedair.com (Roger Eller) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 07:57:17 -0400 Subject: Does exporting a snapshot from a rect work on mobile? In-Reply-To: <59F35494-2F72-4AD3-879B-CC7AB8C41BA9@gmail.com> References: <47272639-0763-4275-903C-221E7C520681@gmail.com> <408C7788-D745-42D9-BB80-96B2CEBFABF7@livecode.org> <77bb60455484b349449e7abeb38f3f76@livecode.com> <98ACC448-A52E-435B-88FD-8812DF522A11@gmail.com> <5337409B-2194-474C-9A82-CDBCB9452E22@gmail.com> <1AC4703F-2C91-4D61-B98D-DC7963589836@gmail.com> <570ae388-dfa0-370e-3ec8-b1587dfef211@sonic.net> <8D914337-651B-4094-96EA-3EA9DDA0D6DA@gmail.com> <2B17862F-56D3-4ECF-8E5F-A41DB3EF0D77@gmail.com> <15e3b352fd8.285b.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com> <04ACA30F-F797-43B8-93C0-937E76960557@gmail.com> <438E7D04-905F-4956-AA59-E8041F8A51F8@gmail.com> <59F35494-2F72-4AD3-879B-CC7AB8C41BA9@gmail.com> Message-ID: Well, since the bug report indicates that keyboardActivated/keyboardDeactivated messages were added to Android, if they are not working please report it. If you want to just use a general rule for a 'safe zone', then prompting at the top of the screen should work fine. ~Roger On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 7:31 AM, Jonathan Lynch via use-livecode < use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > Hi Roger - yup, this problem affects other development environments too. > Many have complained about it online. I currently force the input into the > top half of the screen. Do you think I should force it even higher? > > I could just make the input go to the very top when a user enters it. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Sep 1, 2017, at 7:25 AM, jonathandlynch at gmail.com wrote: > > > > The android version is 6.0.1. > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On Sep 1, 2017, at 6:46 AM, jonathandlynch at gmail.com wrote: > >> > >> Hi Jacqueline, > >> > >> Sadly, that did not help. It received the KeyboardActivated message, > and I had it check the effective working screenrect both at that point and > again in a handler set to trigger a second later. They all return results > as if the keyboard is not there. > >> > >> This is on a galaxy tab E, with the OS from 2015, so it might just be > that this tablet is not very good. However, I need the app to work on most > android devices. > >> > >> When I get a more powerful machine, I might test a few of these things > again. I can make it do different things depending whether a particular OS > resource is available. > >> > >> Thanks! > >> > >> J > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 10:11 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode < > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> What happens if you check the effective working screenrect in a > keyboardActivated handler? > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > >>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>> On August 31, 2017 8:04:45 PM Jonathan Lynch via use-livecode < > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Actually, never mind, that cannot be it. > >>>> > >>>> I tried the follow script: > >>>> > >>>> on mouseUp > >>>> > >>>> create field "test height" > >>>> > >>>> select after field "test height" > >>>> > >>>> send getEWSR to me in 1 second > >>>> > >>>> end mouseUp > >>>> > >>>> on getEWSR > >>>> > >>>> answer the effective working screenrect > >>>> > >>>> delete field "test height" > >>>> > >>>> end getEWSR > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> it still returns the same screenrect that I get without using "effect > >>>> working", which is the screenrect of the device. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Any other ideas? > >>>> > >>>>> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 8:51 PM, wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> A question for Mark Waddingham... > >>>>> > >>>>> Mark, in my app, in the place in question, the keyboard is activated > by a > >>>>> browser widget. Is it possible that this means it is not sending a > signal > >>>>> to LC to update the value of the effective working screen rect? > >>>>> > >>>>> Sent from my iPhone > >>>>> > >>>>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 8:27 PM, jonathandlynch at gmail.com wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Yes - it makes me want to share whatever I can. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 7:14 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode < > >>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On 08/31/2017 07:33 AM, Jonathan Lynch via use-livecode wrote: > >>>>>>>> Just a random comment - having the CTO of LC directly answer our > >>>>> questions is an incredible benefit to LC developers. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I also want to give a shout out to the supportive community here. > This > >>>>> is by far the best online community I've ever had the honor of being > a part > >>>>> of. The level of paying things forward is outstanding. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>> Mark Wieder > >>>>>>> ahsoftware at gmail.com > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>> use-livecode mailing list > >>>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > >>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > >>>>> subscription preferences: > >>>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Do all things with love > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> use-livecode mailing list > >>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > >>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> use-livecode mailing list > >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From jonathandlynch at gmail.com Fri Sep 1 08:40:34 2017 From: jonathandlynch at gmail.com (jonathandlynch at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 08:40:34 -0400 Subject: Does exporting a snapshot from a rect work on mobile? In-Reply-To: References: <47272639-0763-4275-903C-221E7C520681@gmail.com> <408C7788-D745-42D9-BB80-96B2CEBFABF7@livecode.org> <77bb60455484b349449e7abeb38f3f76@livecode.com> <98ACC448-A52E-435B-88FD-8812DF522A11@gmail.com> <5337409B-2194-474C-9A82-CDBCB9452E22@gmail.com> <1AC4703F-2C91-4D61-B98D-DC7963589836@gmail.com> <570ae388-dfa0-370e-3ec8-b1587dfef211@sonic.net> <8D914337-651B-4094-96EA-3EA9DDA0D6DA@gmail.com> <2B17862F-56D3-4ECF-8E5F-A41DB3EF0D77@gmail.com> <15e3b352fd8.285b.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com> <04ACA30F-F797-43B8-93C0-937E76960557@gmail.com> <438E7D04-905F-4956-AA59-E8041F8A51F8@gmail.com> <59F35494-2F72-4AD3-879B-CC7AB8C41BA9@gmail.com> Message-ID: <43AB31A4-10BC-44A6-8AF5-84158BA38378@gmail.com> KeyboardActivated is working. However, getting the effective working screenrect is not producing a result different from the screenrect, meaning it does reveal the available space after the keyboard pops up. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 1, 2017, at 7:57 AM, Roger Eller via use-livecode wrote: > > Well, since the bug report indicates that keyboardActivated/keyboardDeactivated > messages were added to Android, if they are not working please report it. > If you want to just use a general rule for a 'safe zone', then prompting at > the top of the screen should work fine. > > ~Roger > > On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 7:31 AM, Jonathan Lynch via use-livecode < > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > >> Hi Roger - yup, this problem affects other development environments too. >> Many have complained about it online. I currently force the input into the >> top half of the screen. Do you think I should force it even higher? >> >> I could just make the input go to the very top when a user enters it. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Sep 1, 2017, at 7:25 AM, jonathandlynch at gmail.com wrote: >>> >>> The android version is 6.0.1. >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Sep 1, 2017, at 6:46 AM, jonathandlynch at gmail.com wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Jacqueline, >>>> >>>> Sadly, that did not help. It received the KeyboardActivated message, >> and I had it check the effective working screenrect both at that point and >> again in a handler set to trigger a second later. They all return results >> as if the keyboard is not there. >>>> >>>> This is on a galaxy tab E, with the OS from 2015, so it might just be >> that this tablet is not very good. However, I need the app to work on most >> android devices. >>>> >>>> When I get a more powerful machine, I might test a few of these things >> again. I can make it do different things depending whether a particular OS >> resource is available. >>>> >>>> Thanks! >>>> >>>> J >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 10:11 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode < >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> What happens if you check the effective working screenrect in a >> keyboardActivated handler? >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com >>>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On August 31, 2017 8:04:45 PM Jonathan Lynch via use-livecode < >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Actually, never mind, that cannot be it. >>>>>> >>>>>> I tried the follow script: >>>>>> >>>>>> on mouseUp >>>>>> >>>>>> create field "test height" >>>>>> >>>>>> select after field "test height" >>>>>> >>>>>> send getEWSR to me in 1 second >>>>>> >>>>>> end mouseUp >>>>>> >>>>>> on getEWSR >>>>>> >>>>>> answer the effective working screenrect >>>>>> >>>>>> delete field "test height" >>>>>> >>>>>> end getEWSR >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> it still returns the same screenrect that I get without using "effect >>>>>> working", which is the screenrect of the device. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Any other ideas? >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 8:51 PM, wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> A question for Mark Waddingham... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Mark, in my app, in the place in question, the keyboard is activated >> by a >>>>>>> browser widget. Is it possible that this means it is not sending a >> signal >>>>>>> to LC to update the value of the effective working screen rect? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 8:27 PM, jonathandlynch at gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yes - it makes me want to share whatever I can. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 7:14 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode < >>>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 08/31/2017 07:33 AM, Jonathan Lynch via use-livecode wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Just a random comment - having the CTO of LC directly answer our >>>>>>> questions is an incredible benefit to LC developers. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I also want to give a shout out to the supportive community here. >> This >>>>>>> is by far the best online community I've ever had the honor of being >> a part >>>>>>> of. The level of paying things forward is outstanding. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Mark Wieder >>>>>>>>> ahsoftware at gmail.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> use-livecode mailing list >>>>>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>>>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>>>>>> subscription preferences: >>>>>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Do all things with love >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> use-livecode mailing list >>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> use-livecode mailing list >>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com Fri Sep 1 10:47:42 2017 From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 14:47:42 +0000 Subject: [off]macbook model In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <91500439-67FD-4666-A6C4-63483DC7B48A@iotecdigital.com> > On Aug 31, 2017, at 18:53 , Mike Kerner via use-livecode wrote: > > 1) Screen real estate: Appearance aside, is there an advantage to retina? Not sure about an advantage, but I will say that apps need to be retina aware. Parallels for instance changed the scale of things inside Windows. The GPU essentially has 4 times the work to do. You need to upgrade to resolve that issue. > Do I get more working space if I don't go to a 15" display? This doesn't make sense. Is your old screen bigger/smaller? It's not much more real estate over a 13" anyway that would make you go "WOW!" > 2) I don't notice the speed of this box affecting much of anything. For > development, does cpu really matter? I suspect I'd do better with some > more memory, but has anyone noticed that it matters? The speed gain is the SSD drive. More memory helps especially for having lots of processes running simultaneously. And if you are building fairly large apps, I do notice a speed gain when creating standalones. And don't rule out gaming! :-) > 3) I can get a 27" 5k imac pretty nicely equipped for the same price as a > 15" MBP. Ignoring the portability issue, any thoughts? How often do you use your Air away from home? Can you see yourself doing without it, maybe using a mobile device instead? If so, then obviously the iMac is going to be the better choice *IF* it has an SSD drive. I have an SSD in my laptop for work, and a 27" iMac at home. Once you are used to the SSD performance, it's hard watching while the iMac does whatever it does at any given time. Also, if you are going to be gaming, DEFINITELY get the 27" iMac with lots of RAM and SSD!!! Bob S From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com Fri Sep 1 10:52:25 2017 From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 14:52:25 +0000 Subject: [off]macbook model In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <91D8EBD9-6AEC-4E64-88AF-FE30425CA209@iotecdigital.com> I should also mention that the new laptops do not have an ethernet port, and do not use a standard USB port. The series just before the most recent at least still have USB3 ports with the Type A connectors. They prior series also has the standard HDMI ports, and the old style MiniDisplay/Thunderbolt port. The new ones *may* have HDMI but the thunderbolt port is completely new. (all from memory) Bob S From chipsm at themartinz.com Fri Sep 1 10:51:53 2017 From: chipsm at themartinz.com (** Clarence P Martin **) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 07:51:53 -0700 Subject: Subject: Re: LC and OneSignal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <066b01d32331$d9f3a770$8ddaf650$@themartinz.com> Tod, This is a great idea. I have silently been hoping for a way for fellow developers to share their code via some method beside the forum. The forum is a great place for problem solving and advice but a place to have code posted so that other users can see what others are doing is a great idea. I have not come up with an idea of how as of yet but I will put some thought into this. Sincerely, Clarence Martin Email: chipsm at themartinz.com Cell: 626 6965561 -----Original Message----- From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Todd Fabacher via use-livecode Sent: Friday, September 01, 2017 12:26 AM To: Use-livecode Use-livecode Cc: Todd Fabacher Subject: Subject: Re: LC and OneSignal Hello LiveCoders, Good News!!! The team of Digital Pomegranate did a project with onesignal push notification last year. We are actually in the progress of upgrading the lib now. So if someone is interested in it, please contact me and I will make arrangements to get you a version. Also as an added side note. We are upgrading our WordPress Rest API to tsNet for Async communications and upgrading to the new WP + Woo Commerce changes. We are looking to put all of the work we do in LiveCode on the internet. Most will be open source [as much as we can because some we have NDAs on and we can release code] and we are thinking that we can put in a section on our website. But LiveCode could use the LiveCode.org to create a section that lists open source projects and where to download the code. There needs to be a better way for all of us to share projects and code snippets. Any suggestions???? We can build and host something if there is a good idea. For all of our benefits, we should grow the community by 10,000. They will take efforts from EVERYONE. --Todd _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com Fri Sep 1 10:55:24 2017 From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 14:55:24 +0000 Subject: Does exporting a snapshot from a rect work on mobile? In-Reply-To: <570ae388-dfa0-370e-3ec8-b1587dfef211@sonic.net> References: <47272639-0763-4275-903C-221E7C520681@gmail.com> <408C7788-D745-42D9-BB80-96B2CEBFABF7@livecode.org> <77bb60455484b349449e7abeb38f3f76@livecode.com> <98ACC448-A52E-435B-88FD-8812DF522A11@gmail.com> <5337409B-2194-474C-9A82-CDBCB9452E22@gmail.com> <1AC4703F-2C91-4D61-B98D-DC7963589836@gmail.com> <570ae388-dfa0-370e-3ec8-b1587dfef211@sonic.net> Message-ID: <13F625EE-8DC0-498C-B9F6-AA1ED4B5DD40@iotecdigital.com> I just like to sound like I know what I am talking about. Bob S > On Aug 31, 2017, at 16:14 , Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote: > > I also want to give a shout out to the supportive community here. This is by far the best online community I've ever had the honor of being a part of. The level of paying things forward is outstanding. > > -- > Mark Wieder > ahsoftware at gmail.com From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Fri Sep 1 11:03:51 2017 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 18:03:51 +0300 Subject: [off]macbook model In-Reply-To: <91D8EBD9-6AEC-4E64-88AF-FE30425CA209@iotecdigital.com> References: <91D8EBD9-6AEC-4E64-88AF-FE30425CA209@iotecdigital.com> Message-ID: <03ec75f5-872a-bd64-f35e-e65d367e76f3@gmail.com> I would recommend that you buy the latest model of the MacBook so that you then have to go and spend lots more money on peripherals . . . Recently I took my MacBook Pro (cast-off of one of my sons) to Britain to visit my Mum and Dad, and the thing "developed" a self-assigned IP address, further complicated that its internal WiFi does not work (one of several reasons why my younger boy checked it at me) and was working with a USB WiFi dongle. As it has an ethernet port I just jacked it into M&D's modem with a LAN cable . . . Apple are doing a fine job painting themselves into an expensive corner; bijoux toys methinks. With NO standard ports Apple are selling something that will be useless just as soon as something fails (I'm booting off an external USB disk as the internal SATA connexion is dead) so, having spent your thousands of dollars you'll have to start saving right away for its replacement. This IS the voice of personal experience speaking: having just saved a serviceable laptop from the trash BECAUSE it has 2 standard USB ports. Tim Cook needs a lot of people to shout "Universal System Bus" at him! Richmond. On 9/1/17 5:52 pm, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote: > I should also mention that the new laptops do not have an ethernet port, and do not use a standard USB port. The series just before the most recent at least still have USB3 ports with the Type A connectors. They prior series also has the standard HDMI ports, and the old style MiniDisplay/Thunderbolt port. The new ones *may* have HDMI but the thunderbolt port is completely new. (all from memory) > > Bob S > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com Fri Sep 1 11:12:56 2017 From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 15:12:56 +0000 Subject: [off]macbook model In-Reply-To: <03ec75f5-872a-bd64-f35e-e65d367e76f3@gmail.com> References: <91D8EBD9-6AEC-4E64-88AF-FE30425CA209@iotecdigital.com> <03ec75f5-872a-bd64-f35e-e65d367e76f3@gmail.com> Message-ID: <68DBD3AE-80C0-4006-93F7-6ADA40D32663@iotecdigital.com> I cannot think of a worse choice to lead Apple, IMHO. Bob S > On Sep 1, 2017, at 08:03 , Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote: > > Tim Cook needs a lot of people to shout "Universal System Bus" at him! > > Richmond. > > On 9/1/17 5:52 pm, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote: > From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com Fri Sep 1 11:37:34 2017 From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 11:37:34 -0400 Subject: [off]macbook model In-Reply-To: <68DBD3AE-80C0-4006-93F7-6ADA40D32663@iotecdigital.com> References: <91D8EBD9-6AEC-4E64-88AF-FE30425CA209@iotecdigital.com> <03ec75f5-872a-bd64-f35e-e65d367e76f3@gmail.com> <68DBD3AE-80C0-4006-93F7-6ADA40D32663@iotecdigital.com> Message-ID: who, cook? I know. I was screaming about it when Jobs was still alive, and all he's done is prove me right. Yes on SSD's - we don't order anything without them. They make such a gigantic difference in a machine's lifespan, and seem to improve performance much more than a stronger processor or memory. This 2011 MBA is a perfect example of that, but that's also why I'm sort-of ambivalent about replacing it. Most of the work I do developing is editing code, not doing layouts (which is part of the reason why Levure is so interesting - layouts tend to be fairly static, at least compared to code). The question on screen real estate was more to do with retina vs non. If a 13" MBP with a retina screen doesn't give me a lot of extra working room vs. a 13" MBA then that is less attractive. I think I've ruled out the MB because it only comes with a 12" screen, which I'm betting won't help me UNLESS I also get a 13" ipad pro and use airDisplay to use it as a second, portable monitor. I'm one of those "gaming is for consoles" people, so I don't game on my computers. On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 11:12 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode < use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > I cannot think of a worse choice to lead Apple, IMHO. > > Bob S > > > > On Sep 1, 2017, at 08:03 , Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode < > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > > Tim Cook needs a lot of people to shout "Universal System Bus" at him! > > > > Richmond. > > > > On 9/1/17 5:52 pm, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote: > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, "This is good." From tfabacher at gmail.com Fri Sep 1 12:38:09 2017 From: tfabacher at gmail.com (Todd Fabacher) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 18:38:09 +0200 Subject: Subject: Re: LC and OneSignal Message-ID: When I did a lot of VB work in late 90s and early 2000s there was a site Planet Source Code: https://www.planet-source-code.com/ They had full sample utilities and event just small 20-100 line code examples. Plus they had a great way of searching, presenting and commenting on the code. They even have a contest who contributed the best code and it was voted on by the community. If we want to grow our community we need something like this. LiveCode just does not have sufficient examples for people starting out. So they quit. --Todd From harrison at all-auctions.com Fri Sep 1 12:40:52 2017 From: harrison at all-auctions.com (Rick Harrison) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 12:40:52 -0400 Subject: [off]macbook model In-Reply-To: References: <91D8EBD9-6AEC-4E64-88AF-FE30425CA209@iotecdigital.com> <03ec75f5-872a-bd64-f35e-e65d367e76f3@gmail.com> <68DBD3AE-80C0-4006-93F7-6ADA40D32663@iotecdigital.com> Message-ID: Hi Mike, If you don?t need the portability, go with the 27 inch iMac with the SSD drive for development, you won?t regret it. Just my 2 cents for the day. Cheers, Rick From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Fri Sep 1 12:40:54 2017 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2017 11:40:54 -0500 Subject: TSNet error 6 Message-ID: <15e3e5111f0.285b.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com> I have two apps that normally work fine but in both an occasional user will get an error "TSNeterr : (6) could not resolve host". What would be the cause of this sporadic problem? We're not sure what to tell these users. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Fri Sep 1 12:55:38 2017 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2017 11:55:38 -0500 Subject: Subject: Re: LC and OneSignal In-Reply-To: <066b01d32331$d9f3a770$8ddaf650$@themartinz.com> References: <066b01d32331$d9f3a770$8ddaf650$@themartinz.com> Message-ID: <15e3e5e8f10.285b.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com> This is pretty much what the User Examples area was created for. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com On September 1, 2017 9:54:35 AM ** Clarence P Martin ** via use-livecode wrote: > Tod, > This is a great idea. I have silently been hoping for a way for fellow > developers to share their code via some method beside the forum. > The forum is a great place for problem solving and advice but a place to > have code posted so that other users can see what others are doing is a > great idea. > I have not come up with an idea of how as of yet but I will put some thought > into this. > > Sincerely, > > Clarence Martin > Email: chipsm at themartinz.com > Cell: 626 6965561 > > -----Original Message----- > From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf > Of Todd Fabacher via use-livecode > Sent: Friday, September 01, 2017 12:26 AM > To: Use-livecode Use-livecode > Cc: Todd Fabacher > Subject: Subject: Re: LC and OneSignal > > Hello LiveCoders, > > Good News!!! The team of Digital Pomegranate did a project with onesignal > push notification last year. We are actually in the progress of upgrading > the lib now. So if someone is interested in it, please contact me and I will > make arrangements to get you a version. > > Also as an added side note. We are upgrading our WordPress Rest API to tsNet > for Async communications and upgrading to the new WP + Woo Commerce changes. > > We are looking to put all of the work we do in LiveCode on the internet. > Most will be open source [as much as we can because some we have NDAs on and > we can release code] and we are thinking that we can put in a section on our > website. But LiveCode could use the LiveCode.org to create a section that > lists open source projects and where to download the code. > > There needs to be a better way for all of us to share projects and code > snippets. > Any suggestions???? We can build and host something if there is a good idea. > For all of our benefits, we should grow the community by 10,000. They will > take efforts from EVERYONE. > > --Todd > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From lists at mangomultimedia.com Fri Sep 1 13:11:50 2017 From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 12:11:50 -0500 Subject: TSNet error 6 In-Reply-To: <15e3e5111f0.285b.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com> References: <15e3e5111f0.285b.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 11:40 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode < use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > I have two apps that normally work fine but in both an occasional user > will get an error "TSNeterr : (6) could not resolve host". What would be > the cause of this sporadic problem? We're not sure what to tell these users. > tsNet is reporting the curl error. You should be able to google something like ?curl error (6) could not resolve host? and find some potential answers. -- Trevor DeVore ScreenSteps www.screensteps.com From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com Fri Sep 1 13:12:04 2017 From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 17:12:04 +0000 Subject: TSNet error 6 In-Reply-To: <15e3e5111f0.285b.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com> References: <15e3e5111f0.285b.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <26B3A0DE-801D-4EDD-9E7B-5EF2CC707D7D@iotecdigital.com> That is a DNS error. If referring to a host, you can use the NetBIOS name locally, the FQDN locally or remotely, or the IP number (which might change so that is always a bad idea). Now if the host name is NetBIOS, a number of things can go wrong in a non-domain environment. With a domain server acting as your local DNS, it will resolve NetBIOS names to their FQDN equivalents via the WINS service. Barring that, NetBIOS name resolution falls back on an election process, where some windows computer is elected as the Master Browser, which is then responsible for tracing all devices on the network and their current IP addresses. If it happens to be a regular workstation, and it is set to go to sleep after a certain amount of time, well another device has to become the master browser, and it won't know about the server in question until it requests the current master browser and it might not do that for some time. See the problem? So there are a couple ways around that. First you can configure the local router with a static DNS entry, and make sure the primary DNS server listed is that router. Alternately you can edit the hosts file on each workstatino and make a static entry there. The latter is probably going to be the most reliable, but starting with windows 7 I think that file is locked, so it requires elevated privileges. Sucks huh? The best thing is to have a real DNS server locally (every router these days does this but not everyone configures their routers correctly) and then via the command line you *should* be able to register with the DNS server, but I'm not sure how. Hope that is not too much. Bob S > On Sep 1, 2017, at 09:40 , J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote: > > I have two apps that normally work fine but in both an occasional user will get an error "TSNeterr : (6) could not resolve host". What would be the cause of this sporadic problem? We're not sure what to tell these users. > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From mark at livecode.com Fri Sep 1 13:55:30 2017 From: mark at livecode.com (Mark Waddingham) Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2017 19:55:30 +0200 Subject: [off]macbook model In-Reply-To: <03ec75f5-872a-bd64-f35e-e65d367e76f3@gmail.com> References: <91D8EBD9-6AEC-4E64-88AF-FE30425CA209@iotecdigital.com> <03ec75f5-872a-bd64-f35e-e65d367e76f3@gmail.com> Message-ID: On 2017-09-01 17:03, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote: > Tim Cook needs a lot of people to shout "Universal System Bus" at him! Well, he must have been listening as the latest MacBook Pro has 4 USB-C ports and a headphone jack - nothing else. At the moment, of course, only the power being USB-C is really useful since it can be plugged into any port on either side. Other things require dongles. However, USB-C is an international standard (not Apple proprietary, nor Apple created and no-one else adopted) which is gaining much more traction in general - both in smart phones and Windows laptops. Okay, so it is going to be a couple more years before USB-C replaces USB/HDMI/DisplayPort/MiniDisplayPort/... but at least it appears (at the moment) to be doing better than other attempts to redefine universal peripheral connection :) Warmest Regards, Mark. -- Mark Waddingham ~ mark at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/ LiveCode: Everyone can create apps From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com Fri Sep 1 14:11:23 2017 From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 18:11:23 +0000 Subject: [off]macbook model In-Reply-To: References: <91D8EBD9-6AEC-4E64-88AF-FE30425CA209@iotecdigital.com> <03ec75f5-872a-bd64-f35e-e65d367e76f3@gmail.com> Message-ID: I've always said, everyone loves standards... their OWN standards. :-) But seriously, if this is FINALLY the last port anyone will ever create or need, well then okay. But I must say, the only people who benefit from this sort of thing are the device manufacturers and peripheral vendors. The end user, very little if any. It ALWAYS ends up costing me more money than just the purchase price of my computer whenever I upgrade. Bob S > On Sep 1, 2017, at 10:55 , Mark Waddingham via use-livecode wrote: > > On 2017-09-01 17:03, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote: >> Tim Cook needs a lot of people to shout "Universal System Bus" at him! > > Well, he must have been listening as the latest MacBook Pro has 4 USB-C ports and a headphone jack - nothing else. > > At the moment, of course, only the power being USB-C is really useful since it can be plugged into any port on either side. Other things require dongles. > > However, USB-C is an international standard (not Apple proprietary, nor Apple created and no-one else adopted) which is gaining much more traction in general - both in smart phones and Windows laptops. > > Okay, so it is going to be a couple more years before USB-C replaces USB/HDMI/DisplayPort/MiniDisplayPort/... but at least it appears (at the moment) to be doing better than other attempts to redefine universal peripheral connection :) > > Warmest Regards, > > Mark. > > -- > Mark Waddingham ~ mark at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/ From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Fri Sep 1 15:16:34 2017 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 22:16:34 +0300 Subject: [OT] Hello World Message-ID: <77759182-f4ec-c781-b4bb-a6830c8684d3@gmail.com> Page 71 https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/rpi-magazines/issues/full_pdfs/000/000/004/original/HelloWorld03.pdf?1504167546 Richmond Mathewson. From ahsoftware at sonic.net Fri Sep 1 15:35:19 2017 From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 12:35:19 -0700 Subject: Subject: Re: LC and OneSignal In-Reply-To: <15e3e5e8f10.285b.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com> References: <066b01d32331$d9f3a770$8ddaf650$@themartinz.com> <15e3e5e8f10.285b.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <95af136a-6b8e-9bab-4b13-496fce704ae2@sonic.net> On 09/01/2017 09:55 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote: > This is pretty much what the User Examples area was created for. I don't know what that is. -- Mark Wieder ahsoftware at gmail.com From ahsoftware at sonic.net Fri Sep 1 15:43:18 2017 From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 12:43:18 -0700 Subject: Subject: Re: LC and OneSignal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 09/01/2017 12:25 AM, Todd Fabacher via use-livecode wrote: > There needs to be a better way for all of us to share projects and > code snippets. There are already many sites for this, and that's the problem. I've got stuff on bitbucket and github, in revOnline, on my own site... I think there needs to be a single common place for this, and it needs to be either on the official LiveCode site itself or linked to *very* prominently. Otherwise we end up with the balkanization we have now, with code sprinkled around the internet, mostly in places nobody (especially new users) knows about. Having the official blessing of the mothership on this would also go a long ways to showing support for growing the community. -- Mark Wieder ahsoftware at gmail.com From harrison at all-auctions.com Fri Sep 1 15:48:00 2017 From: harrison at all-auctions.com (Rick Harrison) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 15:48:00 -0400 Subject: [off]macbook model In-Reply-To: References: <91D8EBD9-6AEC-4E64-88AF-FE30425CA209@iotecdigital.com> <03ec75f5-872a-bd64-f35e-e65d367e76f3@gmail.com> Message-ID: If you get a new MacBook Pro with Thunderbolt-3 (USB-C) ports there are a couple of nice docks which will split out most of the standard old ports. Both Belkin and Plugable make them https://www.amazon.com/Plugable-Thunderbolt-Compatible-Supports-DisplayPort/dp/B06ZYR66QB https://www.amazon.com/Thunderbolt-Docking-Station-Delivery-Charging/dp/B073JDZGKK/ref=sr_1_8 I hope that helps someone. Rick > On Sep 1, 2017, at 2:11 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote: > > I've always said, everyone loves standards... their OWN standards. :-) > > But seriously, if this is FINALLY the last port anyone will ever create or need, well then okay. But I must say, the only people who benefit from this sort of thing are the device manufacturers and peripheral vendors. The end user, very little if any. It ALWAYS ends up costing me more money than just the purchase price of my computer whenever I upgrade. > > Bob S > From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com Fri Sep 1 16:20:47 2017 From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 16:20:47 -0400 Subject: [off]macbook model In-Reply-To: References: <91D8EBD9-6AEC-4E64-88AF-FE30425CA209@iotecdigital.com> <03ec75f5-872a-bd64-f35e-e65d367e76f3@gmail.com> Message-ID: it looks like the same dock, just two different brands On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 3:48 PM, Rick Harrison via use-livecode < use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > If you get a new MacBook Pro with Thunderbolt-3 (USB-C) ports > there are a couple of nice docks which will split out most of the > standard old ports. Both Belkin and Plugable make them > > https://www.amazon.com/Plugable-Thunderbolt-Compatible-Supports- > DisplayPort/dp/B06ZYR66QB Compatible-Supports-DisplayPort/dp/B06ZYR66QB> > > https://www.amazon.com/Thunderbolt-Docking-Station-Delivery-Charging/dp/ > B073JDZGKK/ref=sr_1_8 Delivery-Charging/dp/B073JDZGKK/ref=sr_1_8> > > I hope that helps someone. > > Rick > > > On Sep 1, 2017, at 2:11 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode < > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > > I've always said, everyone loves standards... their OWN standards. :-) > > > > But seriously, if this is FINALLY the last port anyone will ever create > or need, well then okay. But I must say, the only people who benefit from > this sort of thing are the device manufacturers and peripheral vendors. The > end user, very little if any. It ALWAYS ends up costing me more money than > just the purchase price of my computer whenever I upgrade. > > > > Bob S > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, "This is good." From skiplondon at gmail.com Fri Sep 1 16:27:52 2017 From: skiplondon at gmail.com (Skip Kimpel) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 16:27:52 -0400 Subject: LC on Raspberry Pi3 Message-ID: Anybody running any apps on RPi3 (Raspbian)? SKIP From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Fri Sep 1 16:41:52 2017 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 15:41:52 -0500 Subject: TSNet error 6 In-Reply-To: <26B3A0DE-801D-4EDD-9E7B-5EF2CC707D7D@iotecdigital.com> References: <15e3e5111f0.285b.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com> <26B3A0DE-801D-4EDD-9E7B-5EF2CC707D7D@iotecdigital.com> Message-ID: <8359749e-fcf4-de8d-3b73-2fa0704c753a@hyperactivesw.com> This is for an Android app that can be run from anywhere, so I don't have control over the routers or servers. (And yeah, I didn't quite get everything you were talking about, I'm a network novice.) The apps run fine for most people and only get this error with a few users. I think you're basically saying there's no cure, right? If the web site has a static IP and the Android app uses that instead of a domain name, will that fix it? The app is communicating with a database on the web server. On 9/1/17 12:12 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote: > That is a DNS error. If referring to a host, you can use the NetBIOS name locally, the FQDN locally or remotely, or the IP number (which might change so that is always a bad idea). > > Now if the host name is NetBIOS, a number of things can go wrong in a non-domain environment. With a domain server acting as your local DNS, it will resolve NetBIOS names to their FQDN equivalents via the WINS service. Barring that, NetBIOS name resolution falls back on an election process, where some windows computer is elected as the Master Browser, which is then responsible for tracing all devices on the network and their current IP addresses. > > If it happens to be a regular workstation, and it is set to go to sleep after a certain amount of time, well another device has to become the master browser, and it won't know about the server in question until it requests the current master browser and it might not do that for some time. See the problem? > > So there are a couple ways around that. First you can configure the local router with a static DNS entry, and make sure the primary DNS server listed is that router. Alternately you can edit the hosts file on each workstatino and make a static entry there. The latter is probably going to be the most reliable, but starting with windows 7 I think that file is locked, so it requires elevated privileges. > > Sucks huh? The best thing is to have a real DNS server locally (every router these days does this but not everyone configures their routers correctly) and then via the command line you *should* be able to register with the DNS server, but I'm not sure how. > > Hope that is not too much. > > Bob S > > >> On Sep 1, 2017, at 09:40 , J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote: >> >> I have two apps that normally work fine but in both an occasional user will get an error "TSNeterr : (6) could not resolve host". What would be the cause of this sporadic problem? We're not sure what to tell these users. >> >> -- >> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com >> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Fri Sep 1 17:04:36 2017 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 16:04:36 -0500 Subject: Subject: Re: LC and OneSignal In-Reply-To: <95af136a-6b8e-9bab-4b13-496fce704ae2@sonic.net> References: <066b01d32331$d9f3a770$8ddaf650$@themartinz.com> <15e3e5e8f10.285b.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com> <95af136a-6b8e-9bab-4b13-496fce704ae2@sonic.net> Message-ID: <2bf5341a-19af-f28b-da50-95555fbdb6c8@hyperactivesw.com> On 9/1/17 2:35 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote: > On 09/01/2017 09:55 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote: >> This is pretty much what the User Examples area was created for. > > I don't know what that is. > Sorry, it's now called Sample Stacks in the LC toolbar. It's been called lots of things, basically it's RevOnline. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net Fri Sep 1 17:10:02 2017 From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 17:10:02 -0400 Subject: TSNet error 6 In-Reply-To: <8359749e-fcf4-de8d-3b73-2fa0704c753a@hyperactivesw.com> References: <15e3e5111f0.285b.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com> <26B3A0DE-801D-4EDD-9E7B-5EF2CC707D7D@iotecdigital.com> <8359749e-fcf4-de8d-3b73-2fa0704c753a@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <006401d32366$adac1a50$09044ef0$@net> J, I have run into many network issues on mobile. The chance that the user might have a weak cell/wifi signal, move from cellular==>wifi or wifi==>cellular is higher than one would think. This would be my first guess. I always ask the user if Safari/Chrome is serving up pages. 99% of the time network funnies are caused by weak/changing network access. The amount of error checking and combinations thereof has been very challenging. The first thing I do before any network access is to ping my server with a https request to a LC backend server script that returns "OK". I set the timeout for 2 seconds. If the returned data is not "OK" or take more than 2 seconds then I put the app into off-line mode. I try to ping the server every time the users does "x" or the user's action again need network access and see if the network is back online or fast enough. Ralph DiMola IT Director Evergreen Information Services rdimola at evergreeninfo.net -----Original Message----- From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of J. Landman Gay via use-livecode Sent: Friday, September 01, 2017 4:42 PM To: Bob Sneidar via use-livecode Cc: J. Landman Gay Subject: Re: TSNet error 6 This is for an Android app that can be run from anywhere, so I don't have control over the routers or servers. (And yeah, I didn't quite get everything you were talking about, I'm a network novice.) The apps run fine for most people and only get this error with a few users. I think you're basically saying there's no cure, right? If the web site has a static IP and the Android app uses that instead of a domain name, will that fix it? The app is communicating with a database on the web server. On 9/1/17 12:12 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote: > That is a DNS error. If referring to a host, you can use the NetBIOS name locally, the FQDN locally or remotely, or the IP number (which might change so that is always a bad idea). > > Now if the host name is NetBIOS, a number of things can go wrong in a non-domain environment. With a domain server acting as your local DNS, it will resolve NetBIOS names to their FQDN equivalents via the WINS service. Barring that, NetBIOS name resolution falls back on an election process, where some windows computer is elected as the Master Browser, which is then responsible for tracing all devices on the network and their current IP addresses. > > If it happens to be a regular workstation, and it is set to go to sleep after a certain amount of time, well another device has to become the master browser, and it won't know about the server in question until it requests the current master browser and it might not do that for some time. See the problem? > > So there are a couple ways around that. First you can configure the local router with a static DNS entry, and make sure the primary DNS server listed is that router. Alternately you can edit the hosts file on each workstatino and make a static entry there. The latter is probably going to be the most reliable, but starting with windows 7 I think that file is locked, so it requires elevated privileges. > > Sucks huh? The best thing is to have a real DNS server locally (every router these days does this but not everyone configures their routers correctly) and then via the command line you *should* be able to register with the DNS server, but I'm not sure how. > > Hope that is not too much. > > Bob S > > >> On Sep 1, 2017, at 09:40 , J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote: >> >> I have two apps that normally work fine but in both an occasional user will get an error "TSNeterr : (6) could not resolve host". What would be the cause of this sporadic problem? We're not sure what to tell these users. >> >> -- >> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com >> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From smudge.andy at googlemail.com Fri Sep 1 17:21:42 2017 From: smudge.andy at googlemail.com (AndyP) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 14:21:42 -0700 (MST) Subject: Subject: Re: LC and OneSignal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1504300902444-0.post@n4.nabble.com> Sounds great Todd, looking forward to seeing the release. Re sharing stacks/code. The LiveCode IDE has Sample Stacks available from Help>Sample Stacks this is also available in a more limited way from the LiveCode website http://livecodeshare.runrev.com/ found via https://livecode.com/resources/ and then Sample Stacks. There is via the IDE version the option to add stacks and code snippets. The latter is very under utilized. The whole User Samples or is it LiveCode Share needs an overhaul. For example in the code snippets the code is not displayed but has to be downloaded to be viewed. The User Samples is a great resource (if you know how to find it) but is needing some TLC. The question of where sample stacks and code snippets comes up every now and again with various promoted solutions, but why not use the facility we have. I am just about to add some enhancement requests to the quality center on this subject and I will add the numbers here when completed. ----- Andy Piddock My software never has bugs. It just develops random features. TinyIDE a Free alternative minimalist IDE Plugin for LiveCode TinyIDE Script editor Themer for LC http://2108.co.uk PointandSee is a FREE simple but full featured under cursor colour picker / finder. http://www.pointandsee.co.uk - made with LiveCode -- Sent from: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Revolution-User-f278306.html From smudge.andy at googlemail.com Fri Sep 1 17:44:38 2017 From: smudge.andy at googlemail.com (AndyP) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 14:44:38 -0700 (MST) Subject: Subject: Re: LC and OneSignal In-Reply-To: <1504300902444-0.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1504300902444-0.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1504302278136-0.post@n4.nabble.com> Enhancement Requests added to the Quality Center for Sample Stacks http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=20319 http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=20320 ----- Andy Piddock My software never has bugs. It just develops random features. TinyIDE a Free alternative minimalist IDE Plugin for LiveCode TinyIDE Script editor Themer for LC http://2108.co.uk PointandSee is a FREE simple but full featured under cursor colour picker / finder. http://www.pointandsee.co.uk - made with LiveCode -- Sent from: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Revolution-User-f278306.html From tfabacher at gmail.com Fri Sep 1 18:10:39 2017 From: tfabacher at gmail.com (Todd Fabacher) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2017 00:10:39 +0200 Subject: Subject: Re: LC and OneSignal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: When I did a lot of VB work in late 90s and early 2000s there was a site Planet Source Code: https://www.planet-source-code.com/ They had full sample utilities and event just small 20-100 line code examples. Plus they had a great way of searching, presenting and commenting on the code. They even have a contest who contributed the best code and it was voted on by the community. If we want to grow our community we need something like this. LiveCode just does not have sufficient examples for people starting out. So they quit. --Todd On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 9:25 AM, Todd Fabacher wrote: > Hello LiveCoders, > > Good News!!! The team of Digital Pomegranate did a project with onesignal push > notification last year. We are actually in the progress of upgrading the > lib now. So if someone is interested in it, please contact me and I will > make arrangements to get you a version. > > Also as an added side note. We are upgrading our WordPress Rest API to > tsNet for Async communications and upgrading to the new WP + Woo Commerce > changes. > > We are looking to put all of the work we do in LiveCode on the internet. > Most will be open source [as much as we can because some we have NDAs on > and we can release code] and we are thinking that we can put in a section > on our website. But LiveCode could use the LiveCode.org to create a > section that lists open source projects and where to download the code. > > There needs to be a better way for all of us to share projects and code snippets. > Any suggestions???? We can build and host something if there is a good > idea. For all of our benefits, we should grow the community by 10,000. They > will take efforts from EVERYONE. > > --Todd > > From jiml at netrin.com Fri Sep 1 18:18:26 2017 From: jiml at netrin.com (Jim Lambert) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 15:18:26 -0700 Subject: [OT] Hello World In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <980670C5-8CA2-49EA-AA14-3A856DAAA257@netrin.com> Richmond, Congratulations on your Hello World article. Very nice. Jim Lambert From alex at tweedly.net Fri Sep 1 19:14:06 2017 From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2017 00:14:06 +0100 Subject: Subject: Re: LC and OneSignal In-Reply-To: <1504302278136-0.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1504300902444-0.post@n4.nabble.com> <1504302278136-0.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <70e0fb03-3800-6b21-e2a2-42b16bf2fe06@tweedly.net> On 01/09/2017 22:44, AndyP via use-livecode wrote: > Enhancement Requests added to the Quality Center for Sample Stacks > > Good ideas ! But I think there are a few more things that need to be done to make this more useful. If I was sure enough about them, I'd just add as enhancement requests - but I'm not yet. So I'll mention them here, and then put in requests based on, or incorporating, any suggestions. A. Currently the top level taxonomy is Stack vs External (there are none of them) or Code sample. That's a detail :-) I think it should be something more like 1. Example of how to use some LC feature 2. Library of useful code 3. Sample to use/show off a library in cat 2 above. 4. Useful or interesting or fun app B. I've downloaded and used a number of useful sample stacks, and always found it a bit of a drag dealing with the binary stack format, and then the 'unraveling' of that to extract just the library or part that I want. So first I'd encourage anyone offering something that (even vaguely) resembles a library to put it into a script-only stack, and then make a *separate* sample to show how it can be used. C. I'd like a recommendation / convention that such samples (at least libraries) should be explicit-variable-safe. D. I'd like to see a better standardisation / convention on documenting libraries and parameters. Doesn't need to be required - but if there was a single suggested or recommended format (and perhaps associated tools) then it would probably be an easy choice. [I do vaguely remember something called 'revdocs' (?) - maybe from Andre - but Google couldn't find it for me when I was looking for it. ] E. I'd suggest a standardised, predictable naming format such that these sample can be downloaded directly. In particular, I'd like to be able to say in my sample stack (type 3 above), something like start using stack URL (http://livecodeshare.runrev.com/..../mylib.livecodescript") so it's easy to use the sample stacks. Though what I really want is : F. Maybe even better if there were an automatic way to "require" libraries, have them downloaded if needed to somewhere like ~/My LIvecode/SampleLibraries/, etc. G. Both the in-IDE and web version should have *much* less dependency on screentshots. I want an efficient list of sample stacks and libraries, not a slow-loading set of tiny pitcures that give me little idea of whether or not it's useful or interesting to me. We don't all have fast broadband all the time. H. Fix the "Search" box in the IDE. I don't know what it searches - If you select "ImageData", you get 8 results. If you then search for "Image" you get 7 results (but not in the same order as the 8 were before the search??). If you search for "imag" you get none. And in any case, why is it a "type and click go" search rather than a "search as you type" ? And - should it not "empty" the search filter when you change category ? I. Fix the Categories. Example and Examples ? Awesome ?? And are they in any particular order ? Or searchable ? Or could they be grouped somehow ? J. Rules for Tags. e.g. one sample is tagged "Android" - but the text simply says "Not yet tested on Android - if you test it and it works, please let me know). OK - almost enough ranting for a Friday evening :-) One last contentious one. K. 'LC Approved' category or status. It would be nice if there were some level or kind of "approved" status, so that you could have high(er) expectations of quality, usefulness, etc. -- Alex. From alex at tweedly.net Fri Sep 1 19:18:01 2017 From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2017 00:18:01 +0100 Subject: TSNet error 6 In-Reply-To: <8359749e-fcf4-de8d-3b73-2fa0704c753a@hyperactivesw.com> References: <15e3e5111f0.285b.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com> <26B3A0DE-801D-4EDD-9E7B-5EF2CC707D7D@iotecdigital.com> <8359749e-fcf4-de8d-3b73-2fa0704c753a@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <029cc98c-5ae6-7c8d-fd4b-fdc8a2747fc7@tweedly.net> On 01/09/2017 21:41, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote: > > If the web site has a static IP and the Android app uses that instead > of a domain name, will that fix it? The app is communicating with a > database on the web server. > I think the answer is "it will stop you getting a tsnet error (6)". That doesn't mean it will "fix" it. Most likely (as others have said in more detail), it's a result of flaky or intermittent network connection somewhere, making your DNS lookups fail incompletely. Using a static IP will simply mean that no DNS lookup is needed - so your attempt to transfer data will get started and likely fail in some other way because of that flaky connection. How (whether) that shows itself to the user is unpredictable :-) Alex. From harrison at all-auctions.com Fri Sep 1 19:18:56 2017 From: harrison at all-auctions.com (Rick Harrison) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 19:18:56 -0400 Subject: [off]macbook model In-Reply-To: References: <91D8EBD9-6AEC-4E64-88AF-FE30425CA209@iotecdigital.com> <03ec75f5-872a-bd64-f35e-e65d367e76f3@gmail.com> Message-ID: <95B82CC2-627B-48DF-8E23-9EE92D03AA68@all-auctions.com> Hi Mike, The StarTech one is $329.99 The Plugable one is $189.00 So buy the cheaper one, and save $140.99 It almost looks like StarTech bought the Plugable one, put it?s own paintwork on it, and is reselling it at a much higher price to make it look like a better quality product. LOL Rick > On Sep 1, 2017, at 4:20 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode wrote: > > it looks like the same dock, just two different brands > > On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 3:48 PM, Rick Harrison via use-livecode < > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > >> If you get a new MacBook Pro with Thunderbolt-3 (USB-C) ports >> there are a couple of nice docks which will split out most of the >> standard old ports. Both Belkin and Plugable make them >> >> https://www.amazon.com/Plugable-Thunderbolt-Compatible-Supports- >> DisplayPort/dp/B06ZYR66QB > Compatible-Supports-DisplayPort/dp/B06ZYR66QB> >> >> https://www.amazon.com/Thunderbolt-Docking-Station-Delivery-Charging/dp/ >> B073JDZGKK/ref=sr_1_8 > Delivery-Charging/dp/B073JDZGKK/ref=sr_1_8> >> >> I hope that helps someone. >> >> Rick >> >>> On Sep 1, 2017, at 2:11 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode < >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: >>> >>> I've always said, everyone loves standards... their OWN standards. :-) >>> >>> But seriously, if this is FINALLY the last port anyone will ever create >> or need, well then okay. But I must say, the only people who benefit from >> this sort of thing are the device manufacturers and peripheral vendors. The >> end user, very little if any. It ALWAYS ends up costing me more money than >> just the purchase price of my computer whenever I upgrade. >>> >>> Bob S >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > > > > -- > On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth > On the second day, God created the oceans. > On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, > and did a little diving. > And God said, "This is good." > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From ahsoftware at sonic.net Fri Sep 1 20:03:17 2017 From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 17:03:17 -0700 Subject: Subject: Re: LC and OneSignal In-Reply-To: <70e0fb03-3800-6b21-e2a2-42b16bf2fe06@tweedly.net> References: <1504300902444-0.post@n4.nabble.com> <1504302278136-0.post@n4.nabble.com> <70e0fb03-3800-6b21-e2a2-42b16bf2fe06@tweedly.net> Message-ID: <7a4fabd3-dde0-a87d-3930-0ef2cd370973@sonic.net> On 09/01/2017 04:14 PM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote: > > > On 01/09/2017 22:44, AndyP via use-livecode wrote: >> Enhancement Requests added to the Quality Center for Sample Stacks >> >> > Good ideas ! > > But I think there are a few more things that need to be done to make > this more useful. If I was sure enough about them, I'd just add as > enhancement requests - but I'm not yet. So I'll mention them here, and > then put in requests based on, or incorporating, any suggestions. > > A. Currently the top level taxonomy is > Stack vs External (there are none of them) or Code sample. There are none of them because you can't upload them. Only .rev stacks. > F. Maybe even better if there were an automatic way to "require" > libraries, have them downloaded if needed to somewhere like ~/My > LIvecode/SampleLibraries/, etc. I still don't understand why the 'include' and 'require' commands are only available for the server build. -- Mark Wieder ahsoftware at gmail.com From hh at hyperhh.de Fri Sep 1 21:10:33 2017 From: hh at hyperhh.de (hh) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2017 03:10:33 +0200 Subject: LC on Raspberry Pi3 Message-ID: All > 100 stacks from my Raspberry Pi stacks collection (Forum) run on Raspi 2B+/3 using the LC 6.5.1 or LC 7.0.4 IDE. Some of them may be called "apps". Of course they run also as standalone on Raspi 2B+/3. Simply compile one of these on Mac/Win/linux and run them on Raspi ... I also made an app "ImageJIT" that uses LC as a GUI and does most of its work with Luajit via shell. Runs faster as image processing with pure LC Script from IDE on a 3 GHZ linux box! From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Fri Sep 1 23:24:22 2017 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 22:24:22 -0500 Subject: TSNet error 6 In-Reply-To: <029cc98c-5ae6-7c8d-fd4b-fdc8a2747fc7@tweedly.net> References: <15e3e5111f0.285b.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com> <26B3A0DE-801D-4EDD-9E7B-5EF2CC707D7D@iotecdigital.com> <8359749e-fcf4-de8d-3b73-2fa0704c753a@hyperactivesw.com> <029cc98c-5ae6-7c8d-fd4b-fdc8a2747fc7@tweedly.net> Message-ID: On 9/1/17 6:18 PM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote: > > > On 01/09/2017 21:41, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote: >> >> If the web site has a static IP and the Android app uses that instead >> of a domain name, will that fix it? The app is communicating with a >> database on the web server. >> > I think the answer is "it will stop you getting a tsnet error (6)". > That doesn't mean it will "fix" it. Most likely (as others have said in > more detail), it's a result of flaky or intermittent network connection > somewhere, making your DNS lookups fail incompletely. Using a static IP > will simply mean that no DNS lookup is needed - so your attempt to > transfer data will get started and likely fail in some other way because > of that flaky connection. > > How (whether) that shows itself to the user is unpredictable :-) That's a problem, the app needs to be dead reliable. But see my other note about https connections. Those appear to have something to do with the problem, but my tester won't get back to the coffee house for a couple of days to find out for sure. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From brahma at hindu.org Sat Sep 2 00:21:30 2017 From: brahma at hindu.org (Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2017 04:21:30 +0000 Subject: TSNet error 6 In-Reply-To: <006401d32366$adac1a50$09044ef0$@net> References: <15e3e5111f0.285b.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com> <26B3A0DE-801D-4EDD-9E7B-5EF2CC707D7D@iotecdigital.com> <8359749e-fcf4-de8d-3b73-2fa0704c753a@hyperactivesw.com> <006401d32366$adac1a50$09044ef0$@net> Message-ID: Ralph I'm just about to implement this in our new app. I was only checking on init and some other navigation points in the app, but it's clear now we have to check *everytime* we call the server. because, as you say, use can walk from his desk (wifi) to outside (drop to bad 3G) and then out into the open (suddenly gets 3 bars LTE) and the to the caf? (back up with 5 bar wifi) all in a 10 minute walk! how do you "see if?( it is) fast enough" is the assumption that if you get something in under 2000 milliseconds than things should work OK, or are you tracking some packet stream? Also why not just put a text file on the server https://www.mydomain.com/ping.text with the word "true" Apple does this this? but their little static page just has the word "success" returned. does your script give some advantage? Brahmanathswami On 9/1/17, 11:10 AM, "use-livecode on behalf of Ralph DiMola via use-livecode" wrote: The first thing I do before any network access is to ping my server with a https request to a LC backend server script that returns "OK". I set the timeout for 2 seconds. If the returned data is not "OK" or take more than 2 seconds then I put the app into off-line mode. I try to ping the server every time the users does "x" or the user's action again need network access and see if the network is back online or fast enough. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sat Sep 2 02:46:19 2017 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2017 09:46:19 +0300 Subject: Missing things in the holidays Message-ID: <1f537502-3adf-5618-67da-ef041d38f04e@gmail.com> I did: Came back and found a second version of the 'stable' 8.1.6 . . . But could not find out why, what and so on . . . Richmond. From th.douez at gmail.com Sat Sep 2 02:52:12 2017 From: th.douez at gmail.com (Thierry Douez) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2017 08:52:12 +0200 Subject: Missing things in the holidays In-Reply-To: <1f537502-3adf-5618-67da-ef041d38f04e@gmail.com> References: <1f537502-3adf-5618-67da-ef041d38f04e@gmail.com> Message-ID: Here is the reason: > On Aug 31, 2017, at 3:42 AM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode < use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > Hi all, > > Since the week beginning 21st August 2017, LiveCode iOS apps are being > rejected by iTunes Connect due to 'invalid binary'. It turns out that Apple > have upgraded the tools they use to analyse binaries, and this has shown an > error in the Mach-O structure of the 64-bit slice. The version of otool > with Xcode 6.x (on 10.9) does not show a problem, but newer versions do. > > For this reason, we have built a new version of LiveCode 8.1.6 that > addresses this issue. > > So if you have already installed the original LiveCode 8.1.6 and are > affected by this issue, please visit now > > http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/ > > and download the latest 8.1.6 (STABLE), released on the 31st of August. > > Best regards, > The LiveCode Team 2017-09-02 8:46 GMT+02:00 Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode < use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>: > I did: > > Came back and found a second version of the 'stable' 8.1.6 . . . > > But could not find out why, what and so on . . . > > Richmond. > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- ------------------------------------------------ Thierry Douez - sunny-tdz.com sunnYrex - sunnYtext2speech - sunnYperl - sunnYmidi - sunnYmage From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Sat Sep 2 03:39:17 2017 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2017 09:39:17 +0200 Subject: [OT] Hello World In-Reply-To: <980670C5-8CA2-49EA-AA14-3A856DAAA257@netrin.com> References: <980670C5-8CA2-49EA-AA14-3A856DAAA257@netrin.com> Message-ID: <960c5dc6-4d2e-18c6-f165-22c9b6ffc2a1@economy-x-talk.com> Which page? Kind regards, Mark Schonewille http://economy-x-talk.com https://www.facebook.com/marksch Buy the most extensive book on the LiveCode language: http://livecodebeginner.economy-x-talk.com Op 02-Sep-17 om 00:18 schreef Jim Lambert via use-livecode: > Richmond, > > Congratulations on your Hello World article. > Very nice. > > Jim Lambert > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From tfabacher at gmail.com Sat Sep 2 06:33:54 2017 From: tfabacher at gmail.com (Todd Fabacher) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2017 12:33:54 +0200 Subject: use-livecode Digest, Vol 168, Issue 5 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks...Andy, Alex & Mark!! I think we can find a solution. *Richard*, this sounds like the perfect open source community project. What do you think?? We can host the stuff on GitHub, but create an interface within the IDE with an online DB that can be queried. we could slap a simple RestAPI on it and people could query it to get helpful code snippets and usage examples and complete App examples. Digital Pomegranate could host the DB, or better would be LC. They have to just drop a MariaDB or Postgre SQL [sice mySQL is not an open source favorite anymore] and we can create a simple API to post or pull from it. What do you think??? That is another thing off the core coder's plate so they can focus. We coul deven to the RestAPI in LC script as an example of how to setup an API using LC on the server??? - Nice!! --Todd On 01/09/2017 22:44, AndyP via use-livecode wrote: > Enhancement Requests added to the Quality Center for Sample Stacks > > Good ideas ! From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net Sat Sep 2 09:39:47 2017 From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2017 09:39:47 -0400 Subject: TSNet error 6 In-Reply-To: <8b4a0936-9027-e294-6de8-de30c2632224@hyperactivesw.com> References: <15e3e5111f0.285b.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com> <26B3A0DE-801D-4EDD-9E7B-5EF2CC707D7D@iotecdigital.com> <8359749e-fcf4-de8d-3b73-2fa0704c753a@hyperactivesw.com> <006401d32366$adac1a50$09044ef0$@net> <8b4a0936-9027-e294-6de8-de30c2632224@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <001e01d323f0$f1a5e260$d4f1a720$@net> I would zero in on the https thing. If the user can get to an https web-site via Safari/Chrome on the same server as your DB then tsNet should work unless there is a bug in tsNet. The slack also problem has me concerned with the router. If we eliminate the tin-foil-hat possibilities then could there be a router issue in the coffee shop? Does this happen with other users in other places? I've seen routers do some strange things until a re-boot. The age of the router(or a pending firmware update) could also be in play. It's just so hard when you have no/zero/nada control over network connectivity. Ralph DiMola IT Director Evergreen Information Services rdimola at evergreeninfo.net -----Original Message----- From: J. Landman Gay [mailto:jlandmangay at gmail.com] On Behalf Of J. Landman Gay Sent: Friday, September 01, 2017 11:21 PM To: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net Subject: Re: TSNet error 6 In today's episode, the user was in a coffee house using the free wifi (it was one of my testers, there on purpose for testing). The app could not resolve the host though the connection would have been constant. When he tests from his own home everything works, as it does for all of us on the team. We're wondering if https has anything to do with it. He could connect to anything with Chrome but both my app and Slack would not work using https. Could that be a factor? We need to keep testing to see if https is really the cause, we're not quite sure yet. On 9/1/17 4:10 PM, Ralph DiMola wrote: > J, > > I have run into many network issues on mobile. The chance that the > user might have a weak cell/wifi signal, move from cellular==>wifi or > wifi==>cellular is higher than one would think. This would be my first > guess. I always ask the user if Safari/Chrome is serving up pages. 99% > of the time network funnies are caused by weak/changing network > access. The amount of error checking and combinations thereof has been very challenging. > The first thing I do before any network access is to ping my server > with a https request to a LC backend server script that returns "OK". > I set the timeout for 2 seconds. If the returned data is not "OK" or > take more than 2 seconds then I put the app into off-line mode. I try > to ping the server every time the users does "x" or the user's action > again need network access and see if the network is back online or fast enough. > > Ralph DiMola > IT Director > Evergreen Information Services > rdimola at evergreeninfo.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On > Behalf Of J. Landman Gay via use-livecode > Sent: Friday, September 01, 2017 4:42 PM > To: Bob Sneidar via use-livecode > Cc: J. Landman Gay > Subject: Re: TSNet error 6 > > This is for an Android app that can be run from anywhere, so I don't > have control over the routers or servers. (And yeah, I didn't quite > get everything you were talking about, I'm a network novice.) > > The apps run fine for most people and only get this error with a few users. > I think you're basically saying there's no cure, right? > > If the web site has a static IP and the Android app uses that instead > of a domain name, will that fix it? The app is communicating with a > database on the web server. > > > On 9/1/17 12:12 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote: >> That is a DNS error. If referring to a host, you can use the NetBIOS >> name > locally, the FQDN locally or remotely, or the IP number (which might > change so that is always a bad idea). >> >> Now if the host name is NetBIOS, a number of things can go wrong in a > non-domain environment. With a domain server acting as your local DNS, > it will resolve NetBIOS names to their FQDN equivalents via the WINS service. > Barring that, NetBIOS name resolution falls back on an election > process, where some windows computer is elected as the Master Browser, > which is then responsible for tracing all devices on the network and > their current IP addresses. >> >> If it happens to be a regular workstation, and it is set to go to >> sleep > after a certain amount of time, well another device has to become the > master browser, and it won't know about the server in question until > it requests the current master browser and it might not do that for > some time. See the problem? >> >> So there are a couple ways around that. First you can configure the >> local > router with a static DNS entry, and make sure the primary DNS server > listed is that router. Alternately you can edit the hosts file on each > workstatino and make a static entry there. The latter is probably > going to be the most reliable, but starting with windows 7 I think > that file is locked, so it requires elevated privileges. >> >> Sucks huh? The best thing is to have a real DNS server locally (every > router these days does this but not everyone configures their routers > correctly) and then via the command line you *should* be able to > register with the DNS server, but I'm not sure how. >> >> Hope that is not too much. >> >> Bob S >> >> >>> On Sep 1, 2017, at 09:40 , J. Landman Gay via use-livecode > wrote: >>> >>> I have two apps that normally work fine but in both an occasional >>> user > will get an error "TSNeterr : (6) could not resolve host". What would > be the cause of this sporadic problem? We're not sure what to tell these users. >>> >>> -- >>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com >>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > > -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net Sat Sep 2 09:46:29 2017 From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2017 09:46:29 -0400 Subject: TSNet error 6 In-Reply-To: <8b4a0936-9027-e294-6de8-de30c2632224@hyperactivesw.com> References: <15e3e5111f0.285b.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com> <26B3A0DE-801D-4EDD-9E7B-5EF2CC707D7D@iotecdigital.com> <8359749e-fcf4-de8d-3b73-2fa0704c753a@hyperactivesw.com> <006401d32366$adac1a50$09044ef0$@net> <8b4a0936-9027-e294-6de8-de30c2632224@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <001f01d323f1$e171f9f0$a455edd0$@net> One other note. My banking app(RBS) on my phone sometimes(rarely) does not work even when I have connectivity while on the road. It honks that it can't get a secure connection. Then I move to another cell tower(I presume) and it works. Secure mobile communication requires a ton of app error checking and might not function in all circumstances. Ralph DiMola IT Director Evergreen Information Services rdimola at evergreeninfo.net -----Original Message----- From: J. Landman Gay [mailto:jlandmangay at gmail.com] On Behalf Of J. Landman Gay Sent: Friday, September 01, 2017 11:21 PM To: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net Subject: Re: TSNet error 6 In today's episode, the user was in a coffee house using the free wifi (it was one of my testers, there on purpose for testing). The app could not resolve the host though the connection would have been constant. When he tests from his own home everything works, as it does for all of us on the team. We're wondering if https has anything to do with it. He could connect to anything with Chrome but both my app and Slack would not work using https. Could that be a factor? We need to keep testing to see if https is really the cause, we're not quite sure yet. On 9/1/17 4:10 PM, Ralph DiMola wrote: > J, > > I have run into many network issues on mobile. The chance that the > user might have a weak cell/wifi signal, move from cellular==>wifi or > wifi==>cellular is higher than one would think. This would be my first > guess. I always ask the user if Safari/Chrome is serving up pages. 99% > of the time network funnies are caused by weak/changing network > access. The amount of error checking and combinations thereof has been very challenging. > The first thing I do before any network access is to ping my server > with a https request to a LC backend server script that returns "OK". > I set the timeout for 2 seconds. If the returned data is not "OK" or > take more than 2 seconds then I put the app into off-line mode. I try > to ping the server every time the users does "x" or the user's action > again need network access and see if the network is back online or fast enough. > > Ralph DiMola > IT Director > Evergreen Information Services > rdimola at evergreeninfo.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On > Behalf Of J. Landman Gay via use-livecode > Sent: Friday, September 01, 2017 4:42 PM > To: Bob Sneidar via use-livecode > Cc: J. Landman Gay > Subject: Re: TSNet error 6 > > This is for an Android app that can be run from anywhere, so I don't > have control over the routers or servers. (And yeah, I didn't quite > get everything you were talking about, I'm a network novice.) > > The apps run fine for most people and only get this error with a few users. > I think you're basically saying there's no cure, right? > > If the web site has a static IP and the Android app uses that instead > of a domain name, will that fix it? The app is communicating with a > database on the web server. > > > On 9/1/17 12:12 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote: >> That is a DNS error. If referring to a host, you can use the NetBIOS >> name > locally, the FQDN locally or remotely, or the IP number (which might > change so that is always a bad idea). >> >> Now if the host name is NetBIOS, a number of things can go wrong in a > non-domain environment. With a domain server acting as your local DNS, > it will resolve NetBIOS names to their FQDN equivalents via the WINS service. > Barring that, NetBIOS name resolution falls back on an election > process, where some windows computer is elected as the Master Browser, > which is then responsible for tracing all devices on the network and > their current IP addresses. >> >> If it happens to be a regular workstation, and it is set to go to >> sleep > after a certain amount of time, well another device has to become the > master browser, and it won't know about the server in question until > it requests the current master browser and it might not do that for > some time. See the problem? >> >> So there are a couple ways around that. First you can configure the >> local > router with a static DNS entry, and make sure the primary DNS server > listed is that router. Alternately you can edit the hosts file on each > workstatino and make a static entry there. The latter is probably > going to be the most reliable, but starting with windows 7 I think > that file is locked, so it requires elevated privileges. >> >> Sucks huh? The best thing is to have a real DNS server locally (every > router these days does this but not everyone configures their routers > correctly) and then via the command line you *should* be able to > register with the DNS server, but I'm not sure how. >> >> Hope that is not too much. >> >> Bob S >> >> >>> On Sep 1, 2017, at 09:40 , J. Landman Gay via use-livecode > wrote: >>> >>> I have two apps that normally work fine but in both an occasional >>> user > will get an error "TSNeterr : (6) could not resolve host". What would > be the cause of this sporadic problem? We're not sure what to tell these users. >>> >>> -- >>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com >>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > > -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net Sat Sep 2 10:01:44 2017 From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2017 10:01:44 -0400 Subject: TSNet error 6 In-Reply-To: References: <15e3e5111f0.285b.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com> <26B3A0DE-801D-4EDD-9E7B-5EF2CC707D7D@iotecdigital.com> <8359749e-fcf4-de8d-3b73-2fa0704c753a@hyperactivesw.com> <006401d32366$adac1a50$09044ef0$@net> Message-ID: <002301d323f4$02adbfd0$08093f70$@net> B, Yes I assume that if I get a response in 2000 ms the link is fast enough. The text file should work but seeing I need the backend server for app functionality this test also makes sure that there is good connectivity and the web server/LC server is functioning in one test. In one of my apps the user can save notes about each location retrieved from a static local DB. These notes a saved in a second local DB and also uploaded to the server for backup. So... I need to keep "last update" dates on both the device and the server and resolve this with every transaction and also on app startup just in case the user lost connectivity and saved a note locally to the device. I try to deal with all combination but I'm sure there some obscure race conditions that I am not handling, but it's not moving money, air traffic control or launching the space shuttle. Ralph DiMola IT Director Evergreen Information Services rdimola at evergreeninfo.net -----Original Message----- From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2017 12:22 AM To: How to use LiveCode Cc: Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami Subject: Re: TSNet error 6 Ralph I'm just about to implement this in our new app. I was only checking on init and some other navigation points in the app, but it's clear now we have to check *everytime* we call the server. because, as you say, use can walk from his desk (wifi) to outside (drop to bad 3G) and then out into the open (suddenly gets 3 bars LTE) and the to the caf? (back up with 5 bar wifi) all in a 10 minute walk! how do you "see if?( it is) fast enough" is the assumption that if you get something in under 2000 milliseconds than things should work OK, or are you tracking some packet stream? Also why not just put a text file on the server https://www.mydomain.com/ping.text with the word "true" Apple does this this? but their little static page just has the word "success" returned. does your script give some advantage? Brahmanathswami On 9/1/17, 11:10 AM, "use-livecode on behalf of Ralph DiMola via use-livecode" wrote: The first thing I do before any network access is to ping my server with a https request to a LC backend server script that returns "OK". I set the timeout for 2 seconds. If the returned data is not "OK" or take more than 2 seconds then I put the app into off-line mode. I try to ping the server every time the users does "x" or the user's action again need network access and see if the network is back online or fast enough. _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sat Sep 2 12:48:12 2017 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2017 19:48:12 +0300 Subject: Missing things in the holidays In-Reply-To: References: <1f537502-3adf-5618-67da-ef041d38f04e@gmail.com> Message-ID: <481e7566-4016-e566-6a15-2bc92e85d904@gmail.com> Thank you very much, Thierry. Richmond. On 9/2/17 9:52 am, Thierry Douez via use-livecode wrote: > Here is the reason: > >> On Aug 31, 2017, at 3:42 AM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode < > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> Since the week beginning 21st August 2017, LiveCode iOS apps are being >> rejected by iTunes Connect due to 'invalid binary'. It turns out that > Apple >> have upgraded the tools they use to analyse binaries, and this has shown > an >> error in the Mach-O structure of the 64-bit slice. The version of otool >> with Xcode 6.x (on 10.9) does not show a problem, but newer versions do. >> >> For this reason, we have built a new version of LiveCode 8.1.6 that >> addresses this issue. >> >> So if you have already installed the original LiveCode 8.1.6 and are >> affected by this issue, please visit now >> >> http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/ >> >> and download the latest 8.1.6 (STABLE), released on the 31st of August. >> >> Best regards, >> The LiveCode Team > > > 2017-09-02 8:46 GMT+02:00 Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode < > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>: > >> I did: >> >> Came back and found a second version of the 'stable' 8.1.6 . . . >> >> But could not find out why, what and so on . . . >> >> Richmond. >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > > From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sat Sep 2 12:49:23 2017 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2017 19:49:23 +0300 Subject: [OT] Hello World In-Reply-To: <960c5dc6-4d2e-18c6-f165-22c9b6ffc2a1@economy-x-talk.com> References: <980670C5-8CA2-49EA-AA14-3A856DAAA257@netrin.com> <960c5dc6-4d2e-18c6-f165-22c9b6ffc2a1@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: 71 Richmond. On 9/2/17 10:39 am, Mark Schonewille via use-livecode wrote: > Which page? > > Kind regards, > > Mark Schonewille > http://economy-x-talk.com > https://www.facebook.com/marksch > > Buy the most extensive book on the > LiveCode language: > http://livecodebeginner.economy-x-talk.com > > Op 02-Sep-17 om 00:18 schreef Jim Lambert via use-livecode: >> Richmond, >> >> Congratulations on your Hello World article. >> Very nice. >> >> Jim Lambert >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net Sat Sep 2 14:51:25 2017 From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2017 14:51:25 -0400 Subject: TSNet error 6 In-Reply-To: References: <15e3e5111f0.285b.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com> <26B3A0DE-801D-4EDD-9E7B-5EF2CC707D7D@iotecdigital.com> <8359749e-fcf4-de8d-3b73-2fa0704c753a@hyperactivesw.com> <006401d32366$adac1a50$09044ef0$@net> Message-ID: <003201d3241c$7ae35780$70aa0680$@net> Another Gotch ya... If you connect to a MySql DB (although https to back-end server is preferred) every time you do a query of some sort first do something simple like "SELECT 'I am Here'" or list the tables and see if you get back a number for the record set or a list of tables. If not then close the connection(found this keeps things from going sideways) and then re-connect to the MySql server. Ralph DiMola IT Director Evergreen Information Services rdimola at evergreeninfo.net -----Original Message----- From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2017 12:22 AM To: How to use LiveCode Cc: Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami Subject: Re: TSNet error 6 Ralph I'm just about to implement this in our new app. I was only checking on init and some other navigation points in the app, but it's clear now we have to check *everytime* we call the server. because, as you say, use can walk from his desk (wifi) to outside (drop to bad 3G) and then out into the open (suddenly gets 3 bars LTE) and the to the caf? (back up with 5 bar wifi) all in a 10 minute walk! how do you "see if?( it is) fast enough" is the assumption that if you get something in under 2000 milliseconds than things should work OK, or are you tracking some packet stream? Also why not just put a text file on the server https://www.mydomain.com/ping.text with the word "true" Apple does this this? but their little static page just has the word "success" returned. does your script give some advantage? Brahmanathswami On 9/1/17, 11:10 AM, "use-livecode on behalf of Ralph DiMola via use-livecode" wrote: The first thing I do before any network access is to ping my server with a https request to a LC backend server script that returns "OK". I set the timeout for 2 seconds. If the returned data is not "OK" or take more than 2 seconds then I put the app into off-line mode. I try to ping the server every time the users does "x" or the user's action again need network access and see if the network is back online or fast enough. _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From ambassador at fourthworld.com Sat Sep 2 15:09:39 2017 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2017 12:09:39 -0700 Subject: LC on Raspberry Pi3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <183e586b-cfea-6ef9-9d09-0a6306f66ad3@fourthworld.com> hh wrote: > I also made an app "ImageJIT" that uses LC as a GUI and does most of > its work with Luajit via shell. Runs faster as image processing with > pure LC Script from IDE on a 3 GHZ linux box! Interesting. If I read that correctly, you've found an equivalent test in both Lua and LC in which LC is much faster? That might make a good guest article for the LC blog. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Systems Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web ____________________________________________________________________ Ambassador at FourthWorld.com http://www.FourthWorld.com From capellan2000 at gmail.com Sat Sep 2 15:23:07 2017 From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2017 15:23:07 -0400 Subject: Subject: Re: LC and OneSignal Message-ID: I have read many great ideas for this project. Could I contribute another? This repository could include an index of LiveCode properties, commands and functions used within these stacks and handlers. Klaus Major already published a handler that saves all stack scripts as a text file. Could this handler run automatically from LiveCode server? Using this index of properties, functions and commands, all developers could find easily many practical examples that show how to use LiveCode API. And now that we are talking about indexes Could we have statistics and a few charts about this content too? Al From ambassador at fourthworld.com Sat Sep 2 16:42:27 2017 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2017 13:42:27 -0700 Subject: LC and OneSignal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3fa765da-165e-50cc-459c-6f3524c40d6f@fourthworld.com> Todd Fabacher wrote: > I think we can find a solution. *Richard*, this sounds like the > perfect open source community project. What do you think?? We > can host the stuff on GitHub, but create an interface within the > IDE with an online DB that can be queried. we could slap a simple > RestAPI on it and people could query it to get helpful code > snippets and usage examples and complete App examples. Yes indeed. A central index for all components, regardless of type or license, is essential for platform growth and for serious development. For open source projects, IMO GitHub is an ideal location. But it isn't the only such service, and there are good projects on many services, so probably best not to limit the index to those hosted on only one. For proprietary projects the range of share locations may be even broader, since there's no requirement that the location provide collaboration tools supporting public contribution. There may be many good reasons why a developer might prefer to share a resource through any number of other sites, or even their own. As long as the resource is check-summed and the domain is ensured with a good SSL cert, I don't have a lot of opinions about where a shared resource physically resides. Beyond basic file and domain integrity, it seems to me it doesn't matter so much where the file lives, as long as an index exists in one well-known location to be able to find it from. An ideal index could allow good searching via a minimum of these fields: - Resource name - Category and perhaps subcategory of functionality - Resource Type (external, widget, library, template, etc.) - Author/Publisher/domain - Date of first release - Date of most recent release - Minimum compatible LC version required - License type (GPLv3, GPLv2, MIT, BSD, proprietary, etc.) - Keywords in full text of title/name and description - Vendor-supplied tags - Crowd-sourced tags that any registered user of the system can add to It needs to be API-driven, so we can build a UI for use in the IDE, write our own ad hoc tools for finding and updating components, and enjoy the SEM benefits of having the index also available in the web. With that I could, for example, easily search for an image filter library made available under GPL-compatible license and instantly find Tom Bodine's excellent toolkit in one move. Background ---------- Many of us saw a need for resource sharing, and the ease of delivering that right in the IDE, from the moment we saw the old MC Examples stack, before the turn of the century. I found that download-n-go very inspiring, and eventually I made the time to deliver the first publicly-sharable index in the modest Stacks section of RevNet in Dec 2003 (since renamed as "LiveNet"). The following year RunRev Ltd. made RevOnline as a more complete solution for our community, to share not only stack files but also externals and code snippets. (To support the goal of a single index and also relieve myself of potential security concerns, after RevOnline premiered I restricted and later removed the ability for public additions to RevNet.) Later on RevOnline's upload went out of commission for a few years, and in response several community efforts sprung up, including a nice index-focused offering from Shao Sean. None of the community-driven repositories or indexes ever really gained critical mass, because during that span of years there were periodic announcements from RunRev Ltd. (now renamed LiveCode Ltd.) that they were going to complete RevOnline to restore its upload capability, refine its listing (e.g., it isn't sortable), and expand its functionality to include more resource types (first externals and now widgets). RevOnline's account management and upload features were eventually restored. But during that time it also became renamed, rather variously, so that today few people can piece together that "RevOnline", "Sample Stacks", and "LiveCode Share" are all more or less the same thing (further muddied by that repo containing script snippets, yet a different facility named "Sample Scripts" is entirely separate from "RevOnline"/"Sample Stacks"/"LiveCode Share"). In addition to picking one name and sticking with it, as reported earlier in this thread apparently the file upload feature needs further refinement. And at a minimum it should probably be enhanced to include indexed fields for license type and to support widgets. Meanwhile, other tools have demonstrated the value of a central index with things like NPMJS for Node, PyPy for Python, CPAN for Perl, CRAN for R, the listings of modules, themes and plugins for Wordpress and Drupal, and others. Many of those repositories are maintained by their respective communities. Options Going Forward --------------------- There's no question of the need or the value. The only question seems to be: should this be a community project, or one created and maintained by the company? There are benefits both ways. One thing I try to be sensitive to is that the C++ expertise needed for engine work is both essential and very rare in our community outside the company, and that nothing in this specific index project requires C++ expertise. Indeed, I believe it's safe to say that the short supply of engine-level expertise seems a very good reason the company hasn't yet completed what's needed for a truly useful index of third-party resources. The engine is a demanding bit of work; the v8.x and v9 builds have been very exciting for us, and a tremendous effort for them. With that sensitivity to allowing the C++ experts to remain focused on C++ engine work where practical, I might be inclined to support your suggestion that this index may best come about as a community project. That said, there may be security, packaging, and other considerations which might benefit from the insight of core dev team members. The one thing I can say with confidence is that any community effort on this would need to have the full public blessing of the company to be successful. Without that, it risks the same fate as earlier attempts, where community-managed projects die from underutilization as people wait for something from the mother ship. Personally I don't have a strong opinion about whether such an index should be built and maintained by the company or the community. It may be good to get guidance from Kevin and/or Mark on this first, and since they're both pretty active on this list perhaps we'll hear from them when the weekend's over. -- Richard Gaskin LiveCode Community Liaison richard at livecode.org From jiml at netrin.com Sat Sep 2 16:44:55 2017 From: jiml at netrin.com (Jim Lambert) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2017 13:44:55 -0700 Subject: TSNet error 6 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <78C29C5A-BE8C-441A-9861-4D795F38AE44@netrin.com> RalphM wrote: > The first thing I do before any network access is to ping my server with a > https request to a LC backend server script that returns "OK". I set the > timeout for 2 seconds. If the returned data is not "OK" or take more than 2 > seconds then I put the app into off-line mode. On IOS this is a bit easier. See reachabilityChanged iphoneReachabilityTarget iphoneSetReachabilityTarget in LC?s dictionary. "The network connection on iOS devices is generally more transient than normal network connections and can change between wireless and wide-area wireless (GPRS, 3G, EDGE etc.) transport as it moves, and indeed be lost entirely. As the behavior of an application may vary depending on what kind of network connection is present it is useful to be able to monitor a given server for the type of connection the device currently has to it." Jim Lambert From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sat Sep 2 17:10:37 2017 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2017 16:10:37 -0500 Subject: TSNet error 6 In-Reply-To: <001e01d323f0$f1a5e260$d4f1a720$@net> References: <15e3e5111f0.285b.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com> <26B3A0DE-801D-4EDD-9E7B-5EF2CC707D7D@iotecdigital.com> <8359749e-fcf4-de8d-3b73-2fa0704c753a@hyperactivesw.com> <006401d32366$adac1a50$09044ef0$@net> <8b4a0936-9027-e294-6de8-de30c2632224@hyperactivesw.com> <001e01d323f0$f1a5e260$d4f1a720$@net> Message-ID: <75cc132e-bf51-f3da-6157-b28c688d2973@hyperactivesw.com> It happens to other users in other places, but only occasionally -- though we haven't got a whole lot of users yet, mostly just the client and some testers. The reason we started looking into this is because the client was giving a demo and it totally failed (ouch. He was trying to sell it.) So we started trying to reproduce the problem. None of us had any trouble on our home networks. One of us went to a coffee shop and could reproduce it there. The client had the problem at the location of his demo, went home and still had the problem, then suddenly at home it started working again. Up until that day he'd had no issues on his home network (I wonder if it was storing the DNS from the demo site. Is that a thing?) It is always the same error and is unpredictable. We're sending the tester back to the coffee shop on Monday so we can experiment with turning off https. On 9/2/17 8:39 AM, Ralph DiMola wrote: > I would zero in on the https thing. If the user can get to an https web-site via Safari/Chrome on the same server as your DB then tsNet should work unless there is a bug in tsNet. The slack also problem has me concerned with the router. If we eliminate the tin-foil-hat possibilities then could there be a router issue in the coffee shop? Does this happen with other users in other places? I've seen routers do some strange things until a re-boot. The age of the router(or a pending firmware update) could also be in play. It's just so hard when you have no/zero/nada control over network connectivity. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From hh at hyperhh.de Sat Sep 2 19:43:28 2017 From: hh at hyperhh.de (hh) Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2017 01:43:28 +0200 Subject: LC on Raspberry Pi3 Message-ID: <4EADE0AB-3D0F-49B6-B7FF-9B61C5821E2C@hyperhh.de> No, vice versa. ImageJIT (= LC as GUI + luajit via shell) on Raspberry 3 is faster as 'LC with LCS only' on the 3 GHZ CPU (a linux box). The Raspi app lets do the core processing of the raw imageData by luajit and the 'LC with LCS only' is running with my fastest LC Scripts. Doing both on the 3 GHZ: ImageJIT runs in average 50 times faster than the fastest LC scripts I know (and I know a lot, incl. Bernd's and Wilhelm's scripts). ImageJIT is without a decent GPU about as fast as running the image processing by javascript in a browser widget using a decent GPU. I built last year standalones using LC 6 for Mac/Win/linux. ** Just try yourself. Then you will believe what I claimed at top of this post. As these are "beta"-versions, the code is not yet available. I#ll share it when finished is already again in my "top-ten-to-do". The standalones hopefully run on all machines that are able to run LC 6.5. More info and download available here (luajit binaries from the ufo project by "malkia" are included). Using a FFI: hhImageJIT http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?p=143932#p143932 p.s. lua (without JIT compiler of Mike Pall) does image processing at about the same speed as LC Script. From ambassador at fourthworld.com Sat Sep 2 19:50:45 2017 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2017 16:50:45 -0700 Subject: LC on Raspberry Pi3 In-Reply-To: <4EADE0AB-3D0F-49B6-B7FF-9B61C5821E2C@hyperhh.de> References: <4EADE0AB-3D0F-49B6-B7FF-9B61C5821E2C@hyperhh.de> Message-ID: <4b3caf57-b55a-04fd-d94b-3197715a5ad3@fourthworld.com> hh wrote: > No, vice versa. ImageJIT (= LC as GUI + luajit via shell) on Raspberry 3 is > faster as 'LC with LCS only' on the 3 GHZ CPU (a linux box). > > The Raspi app lets do the core processing of the raw imageData by luajit > and the 'LC with LCS only' is running with my fastest LC Scripts. > > Doing both on the 3 GHZ: > ImageJIT runs in average 50 times faster than the fastest LC scripts I know > (and I know a lot, incl. Bernd's and Wilhelm's scripts). ImageJIT is without > a decent GPU about as fast as running the image processing by javascript in > a browser widget using a decent GPU. > > I built last year standalones using LC 6 for Mac/Win/linux. > ** Just try yourself. Then you will believe what I claimed at top of this post. > As these are "beta"-versions, the code is not yet available. I#ll share it when finished is already again in my "top-ten-to-do". > > The standalones hopefully run on all machines that are able to run LC 6.5. > More info and download available here (luajit binaries from the ufo project > by "malkia" are included). > > Using a FFI: hhImageJIT > http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?p=143932#p143932 > > p.s. lua (without JIT compiler of Mike Pall) does image processing at about > the same speed as LC Script. Thanks. Good to know. It would be nice if we had some JIT-like option for getting closer to machine code. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Systems Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web ____________________________________________________________________ Ambassador at FourthWorld.com http://www.FourthWorld.com From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Sun Sep 3 05:52:31 2017 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2017 11:52:31 +0200 Subject: [OT] Hello World In-Reply-To: References: <980670C5-8CA2-49EA-AA14-3A856DAAA257@netrin.com> <960c5dc6-4d2e-18c6-f165-22c9b6ffc2a1@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: <7ceb325d-41dc-3eae-701e-f7da14f636f8@economy-x-talk.com> Thanks. It is an interesting article. I tend to agree and I think it would be fun to give BBC Basic a try. The purpose may not always be to move on to other programming languages however and so I still might start with LiveCode right-away. Kind regards, Mark Schonewille http://economy-x-talk.com https://www.facebook.com/marksch Buy the most extensive book on the LiveCode language: http://livecodebeginner.economy-x-talk.com Op 02-Sep-17 om 18:49 schreef Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode: > 71 > > Richmond. > > On 9/2/17 10:39 am, Mark Schonewille via use-livecode wrote: >> Which page? >> >> Kind regards, >> >> Mark Schonewille >> http://economy-x-talk.com >> https://www.facebook.com/marksch >> >> Buy the most extensive book on the >> LiveCode language: >> http://livecodebeginner.economy-x-talk.com >> >> Op 02-Sep-17 om 00:18 schreef Jim Lambert via use-livecode: >>> Richmond, >>> >>> Congratulations on your Hello World article. >>> Very nice. >>> >>> Jim Lambert >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sun Sep 3 13:43:24 2017 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2017 20:43:24 +0300 Subject: mouseUp in a field Message-ID: <921358c8-0d13-3b4f-23fb-563538921c88@gmail.com> I am able to run a *mouseDown* script when I click on a field, but seem unable to run a mouseUp script . . . is this to be expected? And if so / if not, can someone tell me how to run a *mouseUp* script when clicking on a fieild with FOCUSABLE, and FOCUS BORDER disabled? Richmond. From tore.nilsen at me.com Sun Sep 3 13:56:46 2017 From: tore.nilsen at me.com (Tore Nilsen) Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2017 19:56:46 +0200 Subject: mouseUp in a field In-Reply-To: <921358c8-0d13-3b4f-23fb-563538921c88@gmail.com> References: <921358c8-0d13-3b4f-23fb-563538921c88@gmail.com> Message-ID: textLock of the field has to be set to true in order to get the field recognize a mouseUp. Tore > 3. sep. 2017 kl. 19:43 skrev Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode : > > I am able to run a *mouseDown* script when I click on a field, > but seem unable to run a mouseUp script . . . > > is this to be expected? And if so / if not, can someone > tell me how to run a *mouseUp* script when clicking on a fieild > with FOCUSABLE, and FOCUS BORDER disabled? > > Richmond. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sun Sep 3 14:02:13 2017 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2017 21:02:13 +0300 Subject: mouseUp in a field In-Reply-To: References: <921358c8-0d13-3b4f-23fb-563538921c88@gmail.com> Message-ID: <886114db-7675-8770-3696-501cd0c6d4b1@gmail.com> Thank you very much! On 9/3/17 8:56 pm, Tore Nilsen via use-livecode wrote: > textLock of the field has to be set to true in order to get the field recognize a mouseUp. > > Tore > >> 3. sep. 2017 kl. 19:43 skrev Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode : >> >> I am able to run a *mouseDown* script when I click on a field, >> but seem unable to run a mouseUp script . . . >> >> is this to be expected? And if so / if not, can someone >> tell me how to run a *mouseUp* script when clicking on a fieild >> with FOCUSABLE, and FOCUS BORDER disabled? >> >> Richmond. > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sun Sep 3 15:45:00 2017 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2017 14:45:00 -0500 Subject: TSNet error 6 In-Reply-To: <001e01d323f0$f1a5e260$d4f1a720$@net> References: <15e3e5111f0.285b.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com> <26B3A0DE-801D-4EDD-9E7B-5EF2CC707D7D@iotecdigital.com> <8359749e-fcf4-de8d-3b73-2fa0704c753a@hyperactivesw.com> <006401d32366$adac1a50$09044ef0$@net> <8b4a0936-9027-e294-6de8-de30c2632224@hyperactivesw.com> <001e01d323f0$f1a5e260$d4f1a720$@net> Message-ID: On 9/2/17 8:39 AM, Ralph DiMola wrote: > I would zero in on the https thing. I found this on stackOverflow : *** I found that CURL can decide to use IPv6, in which case it tries to resolve but doesn't get an IPv6 answer (or something to that effect) and times out. You can try the command line switch -4 to test this out. In PHP, you can configure this line by setting this: curl_setopt($_h, CURLOPT_IPRESOLVE, CURL_IPRESOLVE_V4 ); *** Several people in that thread report the problem started suddenly in March of this year. Could this be related? Charles W: does TSNet add an IPv4 option to https requests? -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sun Sep 3 15:58:17 2017 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2017 14:58:17 -0500 Subject: TSNet error 6 In-Reply-To: References: <15e3e5111f0.285b.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com> <26B3A0DE-801D-4EDD-9E7B-5EF2CC707D7D@iotecdigital.com> <8359749e-fcf4-de8d-3b73-2fa0704c753a@hyperactivesw.com> <006401d32366$adac1a50$09044ef0$@net> <8b4a0936-9027-e294-6de8-de30c2632224@hyperactivesw.com> <001e01d323f0$f1a5e260$d4f1a720$@net> Message-ID: <25cfcea2-4b08-5dbf-a62d-18c947a900fc@hyperactivesw.com> On 9/3/17 2:45 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote: > On 9/2/17 8:39 AM, Ralph DiMola wrote: >> I would zero in on the https thing. > > I found this on stackOverflow > : > > > *** > I found that CURL can decide to use IPv6, in which case it tries to > resolve but doesn't get an IPv6 answer (or something to that effect) and > times out. > > You can try the command line switch -4 to test this out. > > In PHP, you can configure this line by setting this: > > curl_setopt($_h, CURLOPT_IPRESOLVE, CURL_IPRESOLVE_V4 ); > *** > > Several people in that thread report the problem started suddenly in > March of this year. Could this be related? > > Charles W: does TSNet add an IPv4 option to https requests? > And more: A regression bug in Ubuntu in a March release which has been fixed, but not every server has been updated. I'm not sure there's much us peons can do about that, but hoping Charles knows. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From charles at techstrategies.com.au Sun Sep 3 17:06:45 2017 From: charles at techstrategies.com.au (Charles Warwick) Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2017 07:06:45 +1000 Subject: TSNet error 6 In-Reply-To: <25cfcea2-4b08-5dbf-a62d-18c947a900fc@hyperactivesw.com> References: <15e3e5111f0.285b.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>, <26B3A0DE-801D-4EDD-9E7B-5EF2CC707D7D@iotecdigital.com>, <8359749e-fcf4-de8d-3b73-2fa0704c753a@hyperactivesw.com>, <006401d32366$adac1a50$09044ef0$@net>, <8b4a0936-9027-e294-6de8-de30c2632224@hyperactivesw.com>, <001e01d323f0$f1a5e260$d4f1a720$@net>, , <25cfcea2-4b08-5dbf-a62d-18c947a900fc@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <7EC6A0A4-5FFC-4F77-8A67-52635EB276A8.goodhumans@app.preside.io> That seems to be a Linux specific library issue from what I can tell.... Are you having issues on just one Android device? Regards, Charles On 4 Sep 2017 at 05:58:17 AEST, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote: On 9/3/17 2:45 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote: > On 9/2/17 8:39 AM, Ralph DiMola wrote: >> I would zero in on the https thing. > > I found this on stackOverflow > : > > > *** > I found that CURL can decide to use IPv6, in which case it tries to > resolve but doesn't get an IPv6 answer (or something to that effect) and > times out. > > You can try the command line switch -4 to test this out. > > In PHP, you can configure this line by setting this: > > curl_setopt($_h, CURLOPT_IPRESOLVE, CURL_IPRESOLVE_V4 ); > *** > > Several people in that thread report the problem started suddenly in > March of this year. Could this be related? > > Charles W: does TSNet add an IPv4 option to https requests? > And more: A regression bug in Ubuntu in a March release which has been fixed, but not every server has been updated. I'm not sure there's much us peons can do about that, but hoping Charles knows. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sun Sep 3 18:52:39 2017 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2017 17:52:39 -0500 Subject: TSNet error 6 In-Reply-To: <7EC6A0A4-5FFC-4F77-8A67-52635EB276A8.goodhumans@app.preside.io> References: <15e3e5111f0.285b.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com> <26B3A0DE-801D-4EDD-9E7B-5EF2CC707D7D@iotecdigital.com> <8359749e-fcf4-de8d-3b73-2fa0704c753a@hyperactivesw.com> <006401d32366$adac1a50$09044ef0$@net> <8b4a0936-9027-e294-6de8-de30c2632224@hyperactivesw.com> <001e01d323f0$f1a5e260$d4f1a720$@net> <25cfcea2-4b08-5dbf-a62d-18c947a900fc@hyperactivesw.com> <7EC6A0A4-5FFC-4F77-8A67-52635EB276A8.goodhumans@app.preside.io> Message-ID: <0631cc9a-54fa-7750-ee67-15e6cb7902fa@hyperactivesw.com> Two different Android phones so far, one is a Samsung S4 and the other is a non-Samsung, some type of HP phone I think. Not much info, I know. Neither of the two phones with the error had it on the owner's home network. Both our app and the server use https. We're going to see what happens with plain http tomorrow. Thanks so much for jumping in, I was hoping you would. On 9/3/17 4:06 PM, Charles Warwick via use-livecode wrote: > That seems to be a Linux specific library issue from what I can tell.... > > Are you having issues on just one Android device? > > Regards, > > Charles > > On 4 Sep 2017 at 05:58:17 AEST, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote: > > On 9/3/17 2:45 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote: >> On 9/2/17 8:39 AM, Ralph DiMola wrote: >>> I would zero in on the https thing. >>> I found this on stackOverflow > : > > > *** >> I found that CURL can decide to use IPv6, in which case it tries to > resolve but doesn't get an IPv6 answer (or something to that effect) and > times out. >>> You can try the command line switch -4 to test this out. >>> In PHP, you can configure this line by setting this: >>> curl_setopt($_h, CURLOPT_IPRESOLVE, CURL_IPRESOLVE_V4 ); >> *** >>> Several people in that thread report the problem started suddenly in > March of this year. Could this be related? >>> Charles W: does TSNet add an IPv4 option to https requests? >> > > And more: > > A regression bug in Ubuntu in a March release which has been fixed, but not every server has been updated. I'm not sure there's much us peons can do about that, but hoping Charles knows. > > -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From terry.judd at unimelb.edu.au Mon Sep 4 00:43:39 2017 From: terry.judd at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd) Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2017 04:43:39 +0000 Subject: Print to PDF output dodgy on Windows Message-ID: Before I bug report this, has anyone else had problems printing styled text to PDF on Windows? I?ve been printing multipage reports (lots of formatting, graphics etc) to PDF using LC on a Mac for ages without any problems (well, not this particular problem at least). However, when I try to do the same on Windows it screws up the text formatting if any of the text within a field to be printed includes bolded or italicised words, introducing adjacent non-existent spaces or (equally bad) rending the styled text so that it overlaps the non-styled text on either side of it. I?ve tried changing the font at the stack and field level, thinking that might help but to no avail. If an entire line or field has a style associated with it then there is no problem. It?s only when styles are mixed within a field. Terry... From mark at livecode.com Mon Sep 4 02:20:11 2017 From: mark at livecode.com (Mark Waddingham) Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2017 08:20:11 +0200 Subject: Print to PDF output dodgy on Windows In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <291d0474e119840dae9a737ec99b849c@livecode.com> On 2017-09-04 06:43, Terry Judd via use-livecode wrote: > Before I bug report this, has anyone else had problems printing styled > text to PDF on Windows? I?ve been printing multipage reports (lots of > formatting, graphics etc) to PDF using LC on a Mac for ages without > any problems (well, not this particular problem at least). However, > when I try to do the same on Windows it screws up the text formatting > if any of the text within a field to be printed includes bolded or > italicised words, introducing adjacent non-existent spaces or (equally > bad) rending the styled text so that it overlaps the non-styled text > on either side of it. I?ve tried changing the font at the stack and > field level, thinking that might help but to no avail. If an entire > line or field has a style associated with it then there is no problem. > It?s only when styles are mixed within a field. Do you have 'the formatForPrinting' of the stack set to true? Warmest Regards, Mark. -- Mark Waddingham ~ mark at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/ LiveCode: Everyone can create apps From terry.judd at unimelb.edu.au Mon Sep 4 03:20:24 2017 From: terry.judd at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd) Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2017 07:20:24 +0000 Subject: Print to PDF output dodgy on Windows In-Reply-To: <291d0474e119840dae9a737ec99b849c@livecode.com> References: , <291d0474e119840dae9a737ec99b849c@livecode.com> Message-ID: <415D6C61-C5CA-42F8-90D9-660424B18057@unimelb.edu.au> Thanks Mark - I wasn't aware of that setting. I'll try setting it to true before I print each report and see what happens. Based on the dictionary entry it sounds like I'll need to set it back to false again before my script updates all the report's various templates, and perhaps even close and reopen the stack before turning it back on and printing the next report? Terry... Sent from my iPhone > On 4 Sep 2017, at 4:20 pm, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode wrote: > >> On 2017-09-04 06:43, Terry Judd via use-livecode wrote: >> Before I bug report this, has anyone else had problems printing styled >> text to PDF on Windows? I?ve been printing multipage reports (lots of >> formatting, graphics etc) to PDF using LC on a Mac for ages without >> any problems (well, not this particular problem at least). However, >> when I try to do the same on Windows it screws up the text formatting >> if any of the text within a field to be printed includes bolded or >> italicised words, introducing adjacent non-existent spaces or (equally >> bad) rending the styled text so that it overlaps the non-styled text >> on either side of it. I?ve tried changing the font at the stack and >> field level, thinking that might help but to no avail. If an entire >> line or field has a style associated with it then there is no problem. >> It?s only when styles are mixed within a field. > > Do you have 'the formatForPrinting' of the stack set to true? > > Warmest Regards, > > Mark. > > -- > Mark Waddingham ~ mark at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/ > LiveCode: Everyone can create apps > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From alanstenhouse at hotmail.com Mon Sep 4 03:37:51 2017 From: alanstenhouse at hotmail.com (Alan) Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2017 07:37:51 +0000 Subject: Browser widget android local file problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Jacque, Jonathan Thanks for the replies and questions and sorry for the slow reply!. They did lead me to question whether my file was being created correctly - it wasn't. There also seems to be a difference in the way html files are loaded. Anyway, it works now. Thanks for the info about the documents folder. That prompted me to look into the Android system structure so all a learning experience. Now getting up to speed with monitoring + debugging on the device + simulators. Whew. Now I just came across another interesting problem - after bringing up the running apps on Android and swiping to remove one from memory, now when I go to run the same app again, it comes up with a black (blank) screen but "appears" to be running. Looking at logcat, I see that there's been an error with navbar.lcb, log as follows: 09-04 16:55:53.623: I/LiveCode(25535): errorDialog 863,0,0,runtime 09-04 16:55:53.623: I/LiveCode(25535): 864,0,0,error exporting foreign '' value: numeric overflow 09-04 16:55:53.623: I/LiveCode(25535): 865,0,0,navbar.lcb 09-04 16:55:53.623: I/LiveCode(25535): 866,0,0,812 09-04 16:55:53.623: I/LiveCode(25535): Error: An error occurred on line: 0 09-04 16:55:53.623: I/LiveCode(25535): 863,0,0,runtime 09-04 16:55:53.623: I/LiveCode(25535): 864,0,0,error exporting foreign '' value: numeric overflow 09-04 16:55:53.623: I/LiveCode(25535): 865,0,0,navbar.lcb 09-04 16:55:53.623: I/LiveCode(25535): 866,0,0,812 Wonder if anyone else has seen this and presumably it should be reported as a bug? So many device differences are such a PITA. Thanks again for your help! cheers Alan > On 25 Aug 2017, at 12:27 am, wrote: > > > Hi Alan - setting the htmltext of the widget works fine for me. My map data comes from Bing. What is going wrong when you do that? > On 25 Aug 2017, at 6:52 am, "J. Landman Gay" wrote: > > > Like on a desktop machine, the folders are located in different places > in the file hierarchy. These are actually virtual folders; they don't > really exist since the whole thing is done in memory. > > If you aren't able to get results from the documents folder, I'd have > the script check first to make sure the file is really there. > > From mark at livecode.com Mon Sep 4 03:47:35 2017 From: mark at livecode.com (Mark Waddingham) Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2017 09:47:35 +0200 Subject: Print to PDF output dodgy on Windows In-Reply-To: <415D6C61-C5CA-42F8-90D9-660424B18057@unimelb.edu.au> References: , <291d0474e119840dae9a737ec99b849c@livecode.com> <415D6C61-C5CA-42F8-90D9-660424B18057@unimelb.edu.au> Message-ID: On 2017-09-04 09:20, Terry Judd via use-livecode wrote: > Thanks Mark - I wasn't aware of that setting. I'll try setting it to > true before I print each report and see what happens. Based on the > dictionary entry it sounds like I'll need to set it back to false > again before my script updates all the report's various templates, and > perhaps even close and reopen the stack before turning it back on and > printing the next report? The dictionary entry might need an update. Since we added 'fullscreen mode', I think the engine is a lot better at 'resetting things' when you toggle formatForPrinting on and off. The 'formatForPrinting' changes the way fonts are handled on Windows to ensure that screen-specific hints and metric changes don't occur - 'fullscreen mode' uses it implicitly internally on Windows too (otherwise fonts don't necessarily linearly scale with size, something which is quite important for printing!) so you should find you can just toggle it on and off. Warmest Regards, Mark. -- Mark Waddingham ~ mark at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/ LiveCode: Everyone can create apps From terry.judd at unimelb.edu.au Mon Sep 4 05:32:05 2017 From: terry.judd at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd) Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2017 09:32:05 +0000 Subject: Print to PDF output dodgy on Windows In-Reply-To: References: <291d0474e119840dae9a737ec99b849c@livecode.com> <415D6C61-C5CA-42F8-90D9-660424B18057@unimelb.edu.au> Message-ID: Thanks again Mark ? it?s all printing nicely now without having to close and open the target stack. Regards, Terry... On 4/09/2017 5:47 pm, "use-livecode on behalf of Mark Waddingham via use-livecode" wrote: On 2017-09-04 09:20, Terry Judd via use-livecode wrote: > Thanks Mark - I wasn't aware of that setting. I'll try setting it to > true before I print each report and see what happens. Based on the > dictionary entry it sounds like I'll need to set it back to false > again before my script updates all the report's various templates, and > perhaps even close and reopen the stack before turning it back on and > printing the next report? The dictionary entry might need an update. Since we added 'fullscreen mode', I think the engine is a lot better at 'resetting things' when you toggle formatForPrinting on and off. The 'formatForPrinting' changes the way fonts are handled on Windows to ensure that screen-specific hints and metric changes don't occur - 'fullscreen mode' uses it implicitly internally on Windows too (otherwise fonts don't necessarily linearly scale with size, something which is quite important for printing!) so you should find you can just toggle it on and off. Warmest Regards, Mark. -- Mark Waddingham ~ mark at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/ LiveCode: Everyone can create apps _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From panos.merakos at livecode.com Mon Sep 4 07:38:18 2017 From: panos.merakos at livecode.com (panagiotis merakos) Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2017 12:38:18 +0100 Subject: [ANN] This Week in LiveCode 96 Message-ID: Hi all, Read about new developments in LiveCode open source and the open source community in today's edition of the "This Week in LiveCode" newsletter! Read issue #96 here: https://goo.gl/phvG3Z This is a weekly newsletter about LiveCode, focussing on what's been going on in and around the open source project. New issues will be released weekly on Mondays. We have a dedicated mailing list that will deliver each issue directly to you e-mail, so you don't miss any! If you have anything you'd like mentioned (a project, a discussion somewhere, an upcoming event) then please get in touch. -- Panagiotis Merakos LiveCode Software Developer Everyone Can Create Apps From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com Mon Sep 4 15:24:45 2017 From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner) Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2017 15:24:45 -0400 Subject: Subject: Re: LC and OneSignal In-Reply-To: <7a4fabd3-dde0-a87d-3930-0ef2cd370973@sonic.net> References: <1504300902444-0.post@n4.nabble.com> <1504302278136-0.post@n4.nabble.com> <70e0fb03-3800-6b21-e2a2-42b16bf2fe06@tweedly.net> <7a4fabd3-dde0-a87d-3930-0ef2cd370973@sonic.net> Message-ID: I'm doing this in github, now. When I see something or someone brings something to my attention, I'm adding a repo for it. It makes the version control, change notification, etc. easier, imho. On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 8:03 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode < use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > On 09/01/2017 04:14 PM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote: > >> >> >> On 01/09/2017 22:44, AndyP via use-livecode wrote: >> >>> Enhancement Requests added to the Quality Center for Sample Stacks >>> >>> >>> Good ideas ! >> >> But I think there are a few more things that need to be done to make this >> more useful. If I was sure enough about them, I'd just add as enhancement >> requests - but I'm not yet. So I'll mention them here, and then put in >> requests based on, or incorporating, any suggestions. >> >> A. Currently the top level taxonomy is >> Stack vs External (there are none of them) or Code sample. >> > > There are none of them because you can't upload them. > Only .rev stacks. > > F. Maybe even better if there were an automatic way to "require" >> libraries, have them downloaded if needed to somewhere like ~/My >> LIvecode/SampleLibraries/, etc. >> > > > I still don't understand why the 'include' and 'require' commands are only > available for the server build. > > > -- > Mark Wieder > ahsoftware at gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, "This is good." From ambassador at fourthworld.com Mon Sep 4 15:33:59 2017 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2017 12:33:59 -0700 Subject: Subject: Re: LC and OneSignal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4411dcc2-05d1-0d71-bc24-397344ebf35a@fourthworld.com> Mike Kerner wrote: > I'm doing this in github, now. When I see something or someone brings > something to my attention, I'm adding a repo for it. It makes the > version control, change notification, etc. easier, imho. Good to get the author involved if you can. A repo without a License file is just dead pixels, there's no way to know how it can be used. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Systems Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web ____________________________________________________________________ Ambassador at FourthWorld.com http://www.FourthWorld.com From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com Mon Sep 4 15:41:29 2017 From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner) Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2017 15:41:29 -0400 Subject: Subject: Re: LC and OneSignal In-Reply-To: <4411dcc2-05d1-0d71-bc24-397344ebf35a@fourthworld.com> References: <4411dcc2-05d1-0d71-bc24-397344ebf35a@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: I always ask, first. I want the author involved in ensuring that I have the thing maintained and up-to-date. On Mon, Sep 4, 2017 at 3:33 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode < use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > Mike Kerner wrote: > > > I'm doing this in github, now. When I see something or someone brings > > something to my attention, I'm adding a repo for it. It makes the > > version control, change notification, etc. easier, imho. > > Good to get the author involved if you can. A repo without a License file > is just dead pixels, there's no way to know how it can be used. > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World Systems > Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web > ____________________________________________________________________ > Ambassador at FourthWorld.com http://www.FourthWorld.com > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, "This is good." From ambassador at fourthworld.com Mon Sep 4 16:05:56 2017 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2017 13:05:56 -0700 Subject: Subject: Re: LC and OneSignal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7674a42e-9431-8390-8aed-5027b746b733@fourthworld.com> Mike Kerner wrote: > I always ask, first. I want the author involved in ensuring that I > have the thing maintained and up-to-date. Excellent. Thanks. A Github marketing rep gave a talk at our local Linux user group a couple months back, and I was surprised when she told us how many repos there have no License file at all. They don't yet require a License file, but they do appreciate good repo stewards like you who include them. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Systems Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web ____________________________________________________________________ Ambassador at FourthWorld.com http://www.FourthWorld.com From alex at tweedly.net Mon Sep 4 19:03:01 2017 From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 00:03:01 +0100 Subject: remote debugging just stopped being available. Message-ID: <44418442-1735-5b5d-05a9-931cc31a4ffe@tweedly.net> I'm sure I've seen this question on the list ... but just can't find the right search term to find it :-) I've been using the remote debugger (on Android, with 9.0.0DP8 Business), for the last day or so. And then tonight it just suddenly, for no reason I can think of, stopped asking me if I wanted a remote debug session. How do I get it back ? Did I do something to make it go in a huff ? Thanks Alex. From monte at appisle.net Mon Sep 4 19:09:00 2017 From: monte at appisle.net (Monte Goulding) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 09:09:00 +1000 Subject: remote debugging just stopped being available. In-Reply-To: <44418442-1735-5b5d-05a9-931cc31a4ffe@tweedly.net> References: <44418442-1735-5b5d-05a9-931cc31a4ffe@tweedly.net> Message-ID: <844A653A-E4B3-4A4D-BCC9-BE1C05300693@appisle.net> > On 5 Sep 2017, at 9:03 am, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote: > > I'm sure I've seen this question on the list ... but just can't find the right search term to find it :-) > > I've been using the remote debugger (on Android, with 9.0.0DP8 Business), for the last day or so. And then tonight it just suddenly, for no reason I can think of, stopped asking me if I wanted a remote debug session. > > How do I get it back ? > > Did I do something to make it go in a huff ? This does sound a bit like what Jacque has experienced. Can you try temporarily disabling any firewalls or web shields and testing. Cheers Monte From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com Mon Sep 4 19:34:23 2017 From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner) Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2017 19:34:23 -0400 Subject: remote debugging just stopped being available. In-Reply-To: <844A653A-E4B3-4A4D-BCC9-BE1C05300693@appisle.net> References: <44418442-1735-5b5d-05a9-931cc31a4ffe@tweedly.net> <844A653A-E4B3-4A4D-BCC9-BE1C05300693@appisle.net> Message-ID: I'm having a slightly different problem on ios that I'm trying to diagnose - doing remote debugging with mergAV causes the mobile app to crash. On Mon, Sep 4, 2017 at 7:09 PM, Monte Goulding via use-livecode < use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > On 5 Sep 2017, at 9:03 am, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode < > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > > I'm sure I've seen this question on the list ... but just can't find the > right search term to find it :-) > > > > I've been using the remote debugger (on Android, with 9.0.0DP8 > Business), for the last day or so. And then tonight it just suddenly, for > no reason I can think of, stopped asking me if I wanted a remote debug > session. > > > > How do I get it back ? > > > > Did I do something to make it go in a huff ? > > This does sound a bit like what Jacque has experienced. Can you try > temporarily disabling any firewalls or web shields and testing. > > Cheers > > Monte > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, "This is good." From alex at tweedly.net Mon Sep 4 19:41:02 2017 From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 00:41:02 +0100 Subject: remote debugging just stopped being available. In-Reply-To: <844A653A-E4B3-4A4D-BCC9-BE1C05300693@appisle.net> References: <44418442-1735-5b5d-05a9-931cc31a4ffe@tweedly.net> <844A653A-E4B3-4A4D-BCC9-BE1C05300693@appisle.net> Message-ID: Too late - it just came back again. I'm on MacOS 10.10.5 - no extra firewall or security software running. Now that I'm alert to it, if it happens again I'll (likely) notice it immediately, and take more note of what happened just before it. Thanks Alex. On 05/09/2017 00:09, Monte Goulding via use-livecode wrote: >> On 5 Sep 2017, at 9:03 am, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote: >> >> I'm sure I've seen this question on the list ... but just can't find the right search term to find it :-) >> >> I've been using the remote debugger (on Android, with 9.0.0DP8 Business), for the last day or so. And then tonight it just suddenly, for no reason I can think of, stopped asking me if I wanted a remote debug session. >> >> How do I get it back ? >> >> Did I do something to make it go in a huff ? > This does sound a bit like what Jacque has experienced. Can you try temporarily disabling any firewalls or web shields and testing. > > Cheers > > Monte > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Mon Sep 4 21:09:45 2017 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2017 20:09:45 -0500 Subject: remote debugging just stopped being available. In-Reply-To: References: <44418442-1735-5b5d-05a9-931cc31a4ffe@tweedly.net> <844A653A-E4B3-4A4D-BCC9-BE1C05300693@appisle.net> Message-ID: <422d6104-dda0-6954-ade8-7d77415b015f@hyperactivesw.com> Mine never did come back. I haven't seen it in months. On 9/4/17 6:41 PM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote: > Too late - it just came back again. > > I'm on MacOS 10.10.5 - no extra firewall or security software running. > > Now that I'm alert to it, if it happens again I'll (likely) notice it > immediately, and take more note of what happened just before it. > > Thanks > > Alex. > > > On 05/09/2017 00:09, Monte Goulding via use-livecode wrote: >>> On 5 Sep 2017, at 9:03 am, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode >>> wrote: >>> >>> I'm sure I've seen this question on the list ... but just can't find >>> the right search term to find it :-) >>> >>> I've been using the remote debugger (on Android, with 9.0.0DP8 >>> Business), for the last day or so. And then tonight it just suddenly, >>> for no reason I can think of, stopped asking me if I wanted a remote >>> debug session. >>> >>> How do I get it back ? >>> >>> Did I do something to make it go in a huff ? >> This does sound a bit like what Jacque has experienced. Can you try >> temporarily disabling any firewalls or web shields and testing. >> >> Cheers >> >> Monte >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Mon Sep 4 21:19:47 2017 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2017 20:19:47 -0500 Subject: remote debugging just stopped being available. In-Reply-To: <422d6104-dda0-6954-ade8-7d77415b015f@hyperactivesw.com> References: <44418442-1735-5b5d-05a9-931cc31a4ffe@tweedly.net> <844A653A-E4B3-4A4D-BCC9-BE1C05300693@appisle.net> <422d6104-dda0-6954-ade8-7d77415b015f@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <15e4f9f3338.285b.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com> Actually this isn't really fair, I haven't set it up for some time. Maybe I'll try it again. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com On September 4, 2017 8:12:02 PM "J. Landman Gay via use-livecode" wrote: > Mine never did come back. I haven't seen it in months. > > On 9/4/17 6:41 PM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote: >> Too late - it just came back again. >> >> I'm on MacOS 10.10.5 - no extra firewall or security software running. >> >> Now that I'm alert to it, if it happens again I'll (likely) notice it >> immediately, and take more note of what happened just before it. >> >> Thanks >> >> Alex. >> >> >> On 05/09/2017 00:09, Monte Goulding via use-livecode wrote: >>>> On 5 Sep 2017, at 9:03 am, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I'm sure I've seen this question on the list ... but just can't find >>>> the right search term to find it :-) >>>> >>>> I've been using the remote debugger (on Android, with 9.0.0DP8 >>>> Business), for the last day or so. And then tonight it just suddenly, >>>> for no reason I can think of, stopped asking me if I wanted a remote >>>> debug session. >>>> >>>> How do I get it back ? >>>> >>>> Did I do something to make it go in a huff ? >>> This does sound a bit like what Jacque has experienced. Can you try >>> temporarily disabling any firewalls or web shields and testing. >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> Monte >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From dave at applicationinsight.com Mon Sep 4 21:26:54 2017 From: dave at applicationinsight.com (Dave Kilroy) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 02:26:54 +0100 Subject: remote debugging just stopped being available. Message-ID: <6783D4DF-17B3-41B2-8A35-CBF0CBB3E592@applicationinsight.com> I have never been able to get it working (except in iOS simulator) - in the past I?ve tried all sorts of things (including booking a session at my local Apple shop to see if they could find any problem with the bluetooth etc on my mbp and various iOS devices - never a glimmer of anything - maybe at some stage in the future when I get a new dev machine? Kind regards Dave > Mine never did come back. I haven't seen it in months. > > On 9/4/17 6:41 PM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote: > > > Too late - it just came back again. > > > > I'm on MacOS 10.10.5 - no extra firewall or security software running. > > > > Now that I'm alert to it, if it happens again I'll (likely) notice it > > immediately, and take more note of what happened just before it. > > > > Thanks > > > > Alex. > > > > > > On 05/09/2017 00:09, Monte Goulding via use-livecode wrote: > >>> On 5 Sep 2017, at 9:03 am, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode > >>> <[hidden email] > wrote: > >>> > >>> I'm sure I've seen this question on the list ... but just can't find > >>> the right search term to find it :-) > >>> > >>> I've been using the remote debugger (on Android, with 9.0.0DP8 > >>> Business), for the last day or so. And then tonight it just suddenly, > >>> for no reason I can think of, stopped asking me if I wanted a remote > >>> debug session. > >>> > >>> How do I get it back ? > >>> > >>> Did I do something to make it go in a huff ? > >> This does sound a bit like what Jacque has experienced. Can you try > >> temporarily disabling any firewalls or web shields and testing. > >> > >> Cheers > >> > >> Monte > >> _______________________________________________ > >> use-livecode mailing list > >> [hidden email] > >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > >> subscription preferences: > >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > [hidden email] > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > From terry.judd at unimelb.edu.au Mon Sep 4 21:36:37 2017 From: terry.judd at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 01:36:37 +0000 Subject: remote debugging just stopped being available. In-Reply-To: <6783D4DF-17B3-41B2-8A35-CBF0CBB3E592@applicationinsight.com> References: <6783D4DF-17B3-41B2-8A35-CBF0CBB3E592@applicationinsight.com> Message-ID: <9E0C263E-8030-4840-AF6E-E83CE8664406@unimelb.edu.au> Actually, what is the process for getting remote debugging to work on iOS ? I?d be happy to get it working in the simulator to start with. I know that you need to use a business licensed version of LC 9 to have access to it, but beyond that... Terry... On 5/09/2017 11:26 am, "use-livecode on behalf of Dave Kilroy via use-livecode" wrote: I have never been able to get it working (except in iOS simulator) - in the past I?ve tried all sorts of things (including booking a session at my local Apple shop to see if they could find any problem with the bluetooth etc on my mbp and various iOS devices - never a glimmer of anything - maybe at some stage in the future when I get a new dev machine? Kind regards Dave > Mine never did come back. I haven't seen it in months. > > On 9/4/17 6:41 PM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote: > > > Too late - it just came back again. > > > > I'm on MacOS 10.10.5 - no extra firewall or security software running. > > > > Now that I'm alert to it, if it happens again I'll (likely) notice it > > immediately, and take more note of what happened just before it. > > > > Thanks > > > > Alex. > > > > > > On 05/09/2017 00:09, Monte Goulding via use-livecode wrote: > >>> On 5 Sep 2017, at 9:03 am, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode > >>> <[hidden email] > wrote: > >>> > >>> I'm sure I've seen this question on the list ... but just can't find > >>> the right search term to find it :-) > >>> > >>> I've been using the remote debugger (on Android, with 9.0.0DP8 > >>> Business), for the last day or so. And then tonight it just suddenly, > >>> for no reason I can think of, stopped asking me if I wanted a remote > >>> debug session. > >>> > >>> How do I get it back ? > >>> > >>> Did I do something to make it go in a huff ? > >> This does sound a bit like what Jacque has experienced. Can you try > >> temporarily disabling any firewalls or web shields and testing. > >> > >> Cheers > >> > >> Monte > >> _______________________________________________ > >> use-livecode mailing list > >> [hidden email] > >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > >> subscription preferences: > >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > [hidden email] > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From monte at appisle.net Mon Sep 4 21:40:18 2017 From: monte at appisle.net (Monte Goulding) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 11:40:18 +1000 Subject: remote debugging just stopped being available. In-Reply-To: <9E0C263E-8030-4840-AF6E-E83CE8664406@unimelb.edu.au> References: <6783D4DF-17B3-41B2-8A35-CBF0CBB3E592@applicationinsight.com> <9E0C263E-8030-4840-AF6E-E83CE8664406@unimelb.edu.au> Message-ID: <559254DD-58E8-4A0E-8071-FB5926A38557@appisle.net> > On 5 Sep 2017, at 11:36 am, Terry Judd via use-livecode wrote: > > Actually, what is the process for getting remote debugging to work on iOS ? I?d be happy to get it working in the simulator to start with. I know that you need to use a business licensed version of LC 9 to have access to it, but beyond that... Well in theory just click the Test button ;-) It does depend on being able to open sockets to communicate with the standalone so the most likely issues will be firewall related. There was an issue with android requiring internet permission but that should be resolved in the latest DPs. Cheers Monte From terry.judd at unimelb.edu.au Mon Sep 4 21:52:45 2017 From: terry.judd at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 01:52:45 +0000 Subject: remote debugging just stopped being available. In-Reply-To: <559254DD-58E8-4A0E-8071-FB5926A38557@appisle.net> References: <6783D4DF-17B3-41B2-8A35-CBF0CBB3E592@applicationinsight.com> <9E0C263E-8030-4840-AF6E-E83CE8664406@unimelb.edu.au> <559254DD-58E8-4A0E-8071-FB5926A38557@appisle.net> Message-ID: <0F5D2351-7C45-4800-B1DA-55C2F40E072E@unimelb.edu.au> Thanks Monte - that sounds pretty simple :) Problem is that my app loads in the simlulator then immediately quits ? this is on LC 9.0.0 (dp 8) - it works fine in 8.1.6 :( The first time I try ?testing? it I get a message along the lines of... Unable to start simulation: The operation couldn?t be completed. (PBSOpenApplicationErrorDomain error 1.) ...if that means anything. Terry... On 5/09/2017 11:40 am, "use-livecode on behalf of Monte Goulding via use-livecode" wrote: > On 5 Sep 2017, at 11:36 am, Terry Judd via use-livecode wrote: > > Actually, what is the process for getting remote debugging to work on iOS ? I?d be happy to get it working in the simulator to start with. I know that you need to use a business licensed version of LC 9 to have access to it, but beyond that... Well in theory just click the Test button ;-) It does depend on being able to open sockets to communicate with the standalone so the most likely issues will be firewall related. There was an issue with android requiring internet permission but that should be resolved in the latest DPs. Cheers Monte _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From monte at appisle.net Mon Sep 4 22:00:01 2017 From: monte at appisle.net (Monte Goulding) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 12:00:01 +1000 Subject: remote debugging just stopped being available. In-Reply-To: <0F5D2351-7C45-4800-B1DA-55C2F40E072E@unimelb.edu.au> References: <6783D4DF-17B3-41B2-8A35-CBF0CBB3E592@applicationinsight.com> <9E0C263E-8030-4840-AF6E-E83CE8664406@unimelb.edu.au> <559254DD-58E8-4A0E-8071-FB5926A38557@appisle.net> <0F5D2351-7C45-4800-B1DA-55C2F40E072E@unimelb.edu.au> Message-ID: <4D026324-5A35-40F4-860E-BFB6EE84245A@appisle.net> Hmm? sometimes the engine expecting an external and it not being found looks like a crash at startup. If you look at the simulator log and there?s something like Startup error - then that could be it. If it?s that then the remote debugger won?t have a chance to start at that point. > On 5 Sep 2017, at 11:52 am, Terry Judd via use-livecode wrote: > > Thanks Monte - that sounds pretty simple :) > > Problem is that my app loads in the simlulator then immediately quits ? this is on LC 9.0.0 (dp 8) - it works fine in 8.1.6 :( > > The first time I try ?testing? it I get a message along the lines of... > > Unable to start simulation: The operation couldn?t be completed. > (PBSOpenApplicationErrorDomain error 1.) > > ...if that means anything. > > Terry... > > > On 5/09/2017 11:40 am, "use-livecode on behalf of Monte Goulding via use-livecode" wrote: > > >> On 5 Sep 2017, at 11:36 am, Terry Judd via use-livecode wrote: >> >> Actually, what is the process for getting remote debugging to work on iOS ? I?d be happy to get it working in the simulator to start with. I know that you need to use a business licensed version of LC 9 to have access to it, but beyond that... > > Well in theory just click the Test button ;-) > > It does depend on being able to open sockets to communicate with the standalone so the most likely issues will be firewall related. There was an issue with android requiring internet permission but that should be resolved in the latest DPs. > > Cheers > > Monte > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From terry.judd at unimelb.edu.au Mon Sep 4 22:11:19 2017 From: terry.judd at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 02:11:19 +0000 Subject: remote debugging just stopped being available. In-Reply-To: <4D026324-5A35-40F4-860E-BFB6EE84245A@appisle.net> References: <6783D4DF-17B3-41B2-8A35-CBF0CBB3E592@applicationinsight.com> <9E0C263E-8030-4840-AF6E-E83CE8664406@unimelb.edu.au> <559254DD-58E8-4A0E-8071-FB5926A38557@appisle.net> <0F5D2351-7C45-4800-B1DA-55C2F40E072E@unimelb.edu.au> <4D026324-5A35-40F4-860E-BFB6EE84245A@appisle.net> Message-ID: Hi Monte - something like this? Sep 5 12:07:27 51002-B114578 mdQuiz_QA[38329]: Startup error: failed to load module Sep 5 12:07:28 51002-B114578 assertiond[38283]: assertion failed: 14F2511 13C75: assertiond + 12188 [8CF1968D-3466-38B7-B225-3F6F5B64C552]: 0x1 Sep 5 12:07:28 51002-B114578 SpringBoard[38279]: HW kbd: Failed to set (null) as keyboard focus Sep 5 12:07:28 51002-B114578 SpringBoard[38279]: BSXPCMessage received error for message: Connection interrupted Sep 5 12:07:28 51002-B114578 SpringBoard[38279]: BSXPCMessage received error for message: Connection invalid Sep 5 12:07:28 51002-B114578 com.apple.CoreSimulator.SimDevice.65EDADBA-A52F-46BB-B1D8-77671CAB8234.launchd_sim[38262] (UIKitApplication:com.unimelb.mdassess.quiz[0x13e2][38329]): Service exited due to signal: Abort trap: 6 Sep 5 12:07:28 51002-B114578 SpringBoard[38279]: Application 'UIKitApplication:com.unimelb.mdassess.quiz[0x13e2]' crashed. Terry... On 5/09/2017 12:00 pm, "use-livecode on behalf of Monte Goulding via use-livecode" wrote: Hmm? sometimes the engine expecting an external and it not being found looks like a crash at startup. If you look at the simulator log and there?s something like Startup error - then that could be it. If it?s that then the remote debugger won?t have a chance to start at that point. > On 5 Sep 2017, at 11:52 am, Terry Judd via use-livecode wrote: > > Thanks Monte - that sounds pretty simple :) > > Problem is that my app loads in the simlulator then immediately quits ? this is on LC 9.0.0 (dp 8) - it works fine in 8.1.6 :( > > The first time I try ?testing? it I get a message along the lines of... > > Unable to start simulation: The operation couldn?t be completed. > (PBSOpenApplicationErrorDomain error 1.) > > ...if that means anything. > > Terry... > > > On 5/09/2017 11:40 am, "use-livecode on behalf of Monte Goulding via use-livecode" wrote: > > >> On 5 Sep 2017, at 11:36 am, Terry Judd via use-livecode wrote: >> >> Actually, what is the process for getting remote debugging to work on iOS ? I?d be happy to get it working in the simulator to start with. I know that you need to use a business licensed version of LC 9 to have access to it, but beyond that... > > Well in theory just click the Test button ;-) > > It does depend on being able to open sockets to communicate with the standalone so the most likely issues will be firewall related. There was an issue with android requiring internet permission but that should be resolved in the latest DPs. > > Cheers > > Monte > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From monte at appisle.net Mon Sep 4 22:15:07 2017 From: monte at appisle.net (Monte Goulding) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 12:15:07 +1000 Subject: remote debugging just stopped being available. In-Reply-To: References: <6783D4DF-17B3-41B2-8A35-CBF0CBB3E592@applicationinsight.com> <9E0C263E-8030-4840-AF6E-E83CE8664406@unimelb.edu.au> <559254DD-58E8-4A0E-8071-FB5926A38557@appisle.net> <0F5D2351-7C45-4800-B1DA-55C2F40E072E@unimelb.edu.au> <4D026324-5A35-40F4-860E-BFB6EE84245A@appisle.net> Message-ID: <9393363F-4EB7-45A4-99BF-628DA7C3A16C@appisle.net> Yes exactly like that. So it?s a matter of trying to work out which of the externals you are using isn?t doing what it?s meant to do. Cheers Monte > On 5 Sep 2017, at 12:11 pm, Terry Judd via use-livecode wrote: > > Hi Monte - something like this? > > Sep 5 12:07:27 51002-B114578 mdQuiz_QA[38329]: Startup error: failed to load module > Sep 5 12:07:28 51002-B114578 assertiond[38283]: assertion failed: 14F2511 13C75: assertiond + 12188 [8CF1968D-3466-38B7-B225-3F6F5B64C552]: 0x1 > Sep 5 12:07:28 51002-B114578 SpringBoard[38279]: HW kbd: Failed to set (null) as keyboard focus > Sep 5 12:07:28 51002-B114578 SpringBoard[38279]: BSXPCMessage received error for message: Connection interrupted > Sep 5 12:07:28 51002-B114578 SpringBoard[38279]: BSXPCMessage received error for message: Connection invalid > Sep 5 12:07:28 51002-B114578 com.apple.CoreSimulator.SimDevice.65EDADBA-A52F-46BB-B1D8-77671CAB8234.launchd_sim[38262] (UIKitApplication:com.unimelb.mdassess.quiz[0x13e2][38329]): Service exited due to signal: Abort trap: 6 > Sep 5 12:07:28 51002-B114578 SpringBoard[38279]: Application 'UIKitApplication:com.unimelb.mdassess.quiz[0x13e2]' crashed. > > Terry... > > > On 5/09/2017 12:00 pm, "use-livecode on behalf of Monte Goulding via use-livecode" wrote: > > Hmm? sometimes the engine expecting an external and it not being found looks like a crash at startup. If you look at the simulator log and there?s something like Startup error - then that could be it. If it?s that then the remote debugger won?t have a chance to start at that point. > >> On 5 Sep 2017, at 11:52 am, Terry Judd via use-livecode wrote: >> >> Thanks Monte - that sounds pretty simple :) >> >> Problem is that my app loads in the simlulator then immediately quits ? this is on LC 9.0.0 (dp 8) - it works fine in 8.1.6 :( >> >> The first time I try ?testing? it I get a message along the lines of... >> >> Unable to start simulation: The operation couldn?t be completed. >> (PBSOpenApplicationErrorDomain error 1.) >> >> ...if that means anything. >> >> Terry... >> >> >> On 5/09/2017 11:40 am, "use-livecode on behalf of Monte Goulding via use-livecode" wrote: >> >> >>> On 5 Sep 2017, at 11:36 am, Terry Judd via use-livecode wrote: >>> >>> Actually, what is the process for getting remote debugging to work on iOS ? I?d be happy to get it working in the simulator to start with. I know that you need to use a business licensed version of LC 9 to have access to it, but beyond that... >> >> Well in theory just click the Test button ;-) >> >> It does depend on being able to open sockets to communicate with the standalone so the most likely issues will be firewall related. There was an issue with android requiring internet permission but that should be resolved in the latest DPs. >> >> Cheers >> >> Monte >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From terry.judd at unimelb.edu.au Mon Sep 4 22:30:02 2017 From: terry.judd at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 02:30:02 +0000 Subject: remote debugging just stopped being available. In-Reply-To: <9393363F-4EB7-45A4-99BF-628DA7C3A16C@appisle.net> References: <6783D4DF-17B3-41B2-8A35-CBF0CBB3E592@applicationinsight.com> <9E0C263E-8030-4840-AF6E-E83CE8664406@unimelb.edu.au> <559254DD-58E8-4A0E-8071-FB5926A38557@appisle.net> <0F5D2351-7C45-4800-B1DA-55C2F40E072E@unimelb.edu.au> <4D026324-5A35-40F4-860E-BFB6EE84245A@appisle.net> <9393363F-4EB7-45A4-99BF-628DA7C3A16C@appisle.net> Message-ID: Ah, ok. Looks like it?s the date support library then. Not sure whether I actually need this ? I just ticked it a while back (I?m using the select inclusions option in the standalone builder) because I do various date-based conversions (date items to seconds etc.) and assumed it was required?? Terry... On 5/09/2017 12:15 pm, "use-livecode on behalf of Monte Goulding via use-livecode" wrote: Yes exactly like that. So it?s a matter of trying to work out which of the externals you are using isn?t doing what it?s meant to do. Cheers Monte > On 5 Sep 2017, at 12:11 pm, Terry Judd via use-livecode wrote: > > Hi Monte - something like this? > > Sep 5 12:07:27 51002-B114578 mdQuiz_QA[38329]: Startup error: failed to load module > Sep 5 12:07:28 51002-B114578 assertiond[38283]: assertion failed: 14F2511 13C75: assertiond + 12188 [8CF1968D-3466-38B7-B225-3F6F5B64C552]: 0x1 > Sep 5 12:07:28 51002-B114578 SpringBoard[38279]: HW kbd: Failed to set (null) as keyboard focus > Sep 5 12:07:28 51002-B114578 SpringBoard[38279]: BSXPCMessage received error for message: Connection interrupted > Sep 5 12:07:28 51002-B114578 SpringBoard[38279]: BSXPCMessage received error for message: Connection invalid > Sep 5 12:07:28 51002-B114578 com.apple.CoreSimulator.SimDevice.65EDADBA-A52F-46BB-B1D8-77671CAB8234.launchd_sim[38262] (UIKitApplication:com.unimelb.mdassess.quiz[0x13e2][38329]): Service exited due to signal: Abort trap: 6 > Sep 5 12:07:28 51002-B114578 SpringBoard[38279]: Application 'UIKitApplication:com.unimelb.mdassess.quiz[0x13e2]' crashed. > > Terry... > > > On 5/09/2017 12:00 pm, "use-livecode on behalf of Monte Goulding via use-livecode" wrote: > > Hmm? sometimes the engine expecting an external and it not being found looks like a crash at startup. If you look at the simulator log and there?s something like Startup error - then that could be it. If it?s that then the remote debugger won?t have a chance to start at that point. > >> On 5 Sep 2017, at 11:52 am, Terry Judd via use-livecode wrote: >> >> Thanks Monte - that sounds pretty simple :) >> >> Problem is that my app loads in the simlulator then immediately quits ? this is on LC 9.0.0 (dp 8) - it works fine in 8.1.6 :( >> >> The first time I try ?testing? it I get a message along the lines of... >> >> Unable to start simulation: The operation couldn?t be completed. >> (PBSOpenApplicationErrorDomain error 1.) >> >> ...if that means anything. >> >> Terry... >> >> >> On 5/09/2017 11:40 am, "use-livecode on behalf of Monte Goulding via use-livecode" wrote: >> >> >>> On 5 Sep 2017, at 11:36 am, Terry Judd via use-livecode wrote: >>> >>> Actually, what is the process for getting remote debugging to work on iOS ? I?d be happy to get it working in the simulator to start with. I know that you need to use a business licensed version of LC 9 to have access to it, but beyond that... >> >> Well in theory just click the Test button ;-) >> >> It does depend on being able to open sockets to communicate with the standalone so the most likely issues will be firewall related. There was an issue with android requiring internet permission but that should be resolved in the latest DPs. >> >> Cheers >> >> Monte >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From monte at appisle.net Mon Sep 4 22:35:52 2017 From: monte at appisle.net (Monte Goulding) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 12:35:52 +1000 Subject: remote debugging just stopped being available. In-Reply-To: References: <6783D4DF-17B3-41B2-8A35-CBF0CBB3E592@applicationinsight.com> <9E0C263E-8030-4840-AF6E-E83CE8664406@unimelb.edu.au> <559254DD-58E8-4A0E-8071-FB5926A38557@appisle.net> <0F5D2351-7C45-4800-B1DA-55C2F40E072E@unimelb.edu.au> <4D026324-5A35-40F4-860E-BFB6EE84245A@appisle.net> <9393363F-4EB7-45A4-99BF-628DA7C3A16C@appisle.net> Message-ID: <61DE80E0-1D81-4F2D-9DE7-A46B9BFB06C9@appisle.net> Hmm?. I actually don?t know which date support library you are referring to. > On 5 Sep 2017, at 12:30 pm, Terry Judd via use-livecode wrote: > > Ah, ok. Looks like it?s the date support library then. Not sure whether I actually need this ? I just ticked it a while back (I?m using the select inclusions option in the standalone builder) because I do various date-based conversions (date items to seconds etc.) and assumed it was required?? From terry.judd at unimelb.edu.au Mon Sep 4 23:01:58 2017 From: terry.judd at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 03:01:58 +0000 Subject: remote debugging just stopped being available. In-Reply-To: <61DE80E0-1D81-4F2D-9DE7-A46B9BFB06C9@appisle.net> References: <6783D4DF-17B3-41B2-8A35-CBF0CBB3E592@applicationinsight.com> <9E0C263E-8030-4840-AF6E-E83CE8664406@unimelb.edu.au> <559254DD-58E8-4A0E-8071-FB5926A38557@appisle.net> <0F5D2351-7C45-4800-B1DA-55C2F40E072E@unimelb.edu.au> <4D026324-5A35-40F4-860E-BFB6EE84245A@appisle.net> <9393363F-4EB7-45A4-99BF-628DA7C3A16C@appisle.net> <61DE80E0-1D81-4F2D-9DE7-A46B9BFB06C9@appisle.net> Message-ID: <1BC3367C-B901-4FF8-A8CA-A8590AC4E793@unimelb.edu.au> Interesting! If you go into the inclusions tab of the standalone builder it?s the first listed one that has an icon that looks like a black book (comes after the clock widget in my list). Terry... On 5/09/2017 12:35 pm, "use-livecode on behalf of Monte Goulding via use-livecode" wrote: Hmm?. I actually don?t know which date support library you are referring to. > On 5 Sep 2017, at 12:30 pm, Terry Judd via use-livecode wrote: > > Ah, ok. Looks like it?s the date support library then. Not sure whether I actually need this ? I just ticked it a while back (I?m using the select inclusions option in the standalone builder) because I do various date-based conversions (date items to seconds etc.) and assumed it was required?? _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From terry.judd at unimelb.edu.au Mon Sep 4 23:08:02 2017 From: terry.judd at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 03:08:02 +0000 Subject: remote debugging just stopped being available. In-Reply-To: <1BC3367C-B901-4FF8-A8CA-A8590AC4E793@unimelb.edu.au> References: <6783D4DF-17B3-41B2-8A35-CBF0CBB3E592@applicationinsight.com> <9E0C263E-8030-4840-AF6E-E83CE8664406@unimelb.edu.au> <559254DD-58E8-4A0E-8071-FB5926A38557@appisle.net> <0F5D2351-7C45-4800-B1DA-55C2F40E072E@unimelb.edu.au> <4D026324-5A35-40F4-860E-BFB6EE84245A@appisle.net> <9393363F-4EB7-45A4-99BF-628DA7C3A16C@appisle.net> <61DE80E0-1D81-4F2D-9DE7-A46B9BFB06C9@appisle.net> <1BC3367C-B901-4FF8-A8CA-A8590AC4E793@unimelb.edu.au> Message-ID: <7FB4A08C-CB81-4679-B7FB-EAF869812813@unimelb.edu.au> Seems like it?s not required anyway. Would be interested to know what it does (or doesn?t do) though. Terry... On 5/09/2017 1:01 pm, "use-livecode on behalf of Terry Judd via use-livecode" wrote: Interesting! If you go into the inclusions tab of the standalone builder it?s the first listed one that has an icon that looks like a black book (comes after the clock widget in my list). Terry... On 5/09/2017 12:35 pm, "use-livecode on behalf of Monte Goulding via use-livecode" wrote: Hmm?. I actually don?t know which date support library you are referring to. > On 5 Sep 2017, at 12:30 pm, Terry Judd via use-livecode wrote: > > Ah, ok. Looks like it?s the date support library then. Not sure whether I actually need this ? I just ticked it a while back (I?m using the select inclusions option in the standalone builder) because I do various date-based conversions (date items to seconds etc.) and assumed it was required?? _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From monte at appisle.net Mon Sep 4 23:09:16 2017 From: monte at appisle.net (Monte Goulding) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 13:09:16 +1000 Subject: remote debugging just stopped being available. In-Reply-To: <7FB4A08C-CB81-4679-B7FB-EAF869812813@unimelb.edu.au> References: <6783D4DF-17B3-41B2-8A35-CBF0CBB3E592@applicationinsight.com> <9E0C263E-8030-4840-AF6E-E83CE8664406@unimelb.edu.au> <559254DD-58E8-4A0E-8071-FB5926A38557@appisle.net> <0F5D2351-7C45-4800-B1DA-55C2F40E072E@unimelb.edu.au> <4D026324-5A35-40F4-860E-BFB6EE84245A@appisle.net> <9393363F-4EB7-45A4-99BF-628DA7C3A16C@appisle.net> <61DE80E0-1D81-4F2D-9DE7-A46B9BFB06C9@appisle.net> <1BC3367C-B901-4FF8-A8CA-A8590AC4E793@unimelb.edu.au> <7FB4A08C-CB81-4679-B7FB-EAF869812813@unimelb.edu.au> Message-ID: <3DD1CF91-A480-48EE-A357-F25124587D10@appisle.net> > On 5 Sep 2017, at 1:08 pm, Terry Judd via use-livecode wrote: > > Seems like it?s not required anyway. Would be interested to know what it does (or doesn?t do) though. Can you open a report with a screenshot of the offending inclusion. Something isn?t right but I?m not sure what it is at this stage, Cheers Monte From terry.judd at unimelb.edu.au Mon Sep 4 23:19:04 2017 From: terry.judd at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 03:19:04 +0000 Subject: remote debugging just stopped being available. In-Reply-To: <3DD1CF91-A480-48EE-A357-F25124587D10@appisle.net> References: <6783D4DF-17B3-41B2-8A35-CBF0CBB3E592@applicationinsight.com> <9E0C263E-8030-4840-AF6E-E83CE8664406@unimelb.edu.au> <559254DD-58E8-4A0E-8071-FB5926A38557@appisle.net> <0F5D2351-7C45-4800-B1DA-55C2F40E072E@unimelb.edu.au> <4D026324-5A35-40F4-860E-BFB6EE84245A@appisle.net> <9393363F-4EB7-45A4-99BF-628DA7C3A16C@appisle.net> <61DE80E0-1D81-4F2D-9DE7-A46B9BFB06C9@appisle.net> <1BC3367C-B901-4FF8-A8CA-A8590AC4E793@unimelb.edu.au> <7FB4A08C-CB81-4679-B7FB-EAF869812813@unimelb.edu.au> <3DD1CF91-A480-48EE-A357-F25124587D10@appisle.net> Message-ID: OK will do ? it seems to be present in all version of LC 8 that I have (8.1.3, 8.1.4 and 8.1.6) as well as LC 9.0.0 (dp 8). Terry... On 5/09/2017 1:09 pm, "use-livecode on behalf of Monte Goulding via use-livecode" wrote: > On 5 Sep 2017, at 1:08 pm, Terry Judd via use-livecode wrote: > > Seems like it?s not required anyway. Would be interested to know what it does (or doesn?t do) though. Can you open a report with a screenshot of the offending inclusion. Something isn?t right but I?m not sure what it is at this stage, Cheers Monte _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From terry.judd at unimelb.edu.au Mon Sep 4 23:28:24 2017 From: terry.judd at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 03:28:24 +0000 Subject: remote debugging just stopped being available. In-Reply-To: References: <6783D4DF-17B3-41B2-8A35-CBF0CBB3E592@applicationinsight.com> <9E0C263E-8030-4840-AF6E-E83CE8664406@unimelb.edu.au> <559254DD-58E8-4A0E-8071-FB5926A38557@appisle.net> <0F5D2351-7C45-4800-B1DA-55C2F40E072E@unimelb.edu.au> <4D026324-5A35-40F4-860E-BFB6EE84245A@appisle.net> <9393363F-4EB7-45A4-99BF-628DA7C3A16C@appisle.net> <61DE80E0-1D81-4F2D-9DE7-A46B9BFB06C9@appisle.net> <1BC3367C-B901-4FF8-A8CA-A8590AC4E793@unimelb.edu.au> <7FB4A08C-CB81-4679-B7FB-EAF869812813@unimelb.edu.au> <3DD1CF91-A480-48EE-A357-F25124587D10@appisle.net> Message-ID: Bug 20327. Terry... On 5/09/2017 1:19 pm, "use-livecode on behalf of Terry Judd via use-livecode" wrote: OK will do ? it seems to be present in all version of LC 8 that I have (8.1.3, 8.1.4 and 8.1.6) as well as LC 9.0.0 (dp 8). Terry... On 5/09/2017 1:09 pm, "use-livecode on behalf of Monte Goulding via use-livecode" wrote: > On 5 Sep 2017, at 1:08 pm, Terry Judd via use-livecode wrote: > > Seems like it?s not required anyway. Would be interested to know what it does (or doesn?t do) though. Can you open a report with a screenshot of the offending inclusion. Something isn?t right but I?m not sure what it is at this stage, Cheers Monte _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From ali.lloyd at livecode.com Tue Sep 5 03:26:47 2017 From: ali.lloyd at livecode.com (Ali Lloyd) Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2017 07:26:47 +0000 Subject: remote debugging just stopped being available. In-Reply-To: References: <6783D4DF-17B3-41B2-8A35-CBF0CBB3E592@applicationinsight.com> <9E0C263E-8030-4840-AF6E-E83CE8664406@unimelb.edu.au> <559254DD-58E8-4A0E-8071-FB5926A38557@appisle.net> <0F5D2351-7C45-4800-B1DA-55C2F40E072E@unimelb.edu.au> <4D026324-5A35-40F4-860E-BFB6EE84245A@appisle.net> <9393363F-4EB7-45A4-99BF-628DA7C3A16C@appisle.net> <61DE80E0-1D81-4F2D-9DE7-A46B9BFB06C9@appisle.net> <1BC3367C-B901-4FF8-A8CA-A8590AC4E793@unimelb.edu.au> <7FB4A08C-CB81-4679-B7FB-EAF869812813@unimelb.edu.au> <3DD1CF91-A480-48EE-A357-F25124587D10@appisle.net> Message-ID: The date support library I think was used for the calendar widget example - I don't think it comes with the ide. You should be able to uninstall it using the extension manager, should you wish! On Tue, 5 Sep 2017 at 04:28, Terry Judd via use-livecode < use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > Bug 20327. > > Terry... > > On 5/09/2017 1:19 pm, "use-livecode on behalf of Terry Judd via > use-livecode" use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > OK will do ? it seems to be present in all version of LC 8 that I have > (8.1.3, 8.1.4 and 8.1.6) as well as LC 9.0.0 (dp 8). > > Terry... > > On 5/09/2017 1:09 pm, "use-livecode on behalf of Monte Goulding via > use-livecode" use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > > On 5 Sep 2017, at 1:08 pm, Terry Judd via use-livecode < > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > > Seems like it?s not required anyway. Would be interested to know > what it does (or doesn?t do) though. > > Can you open a report with a screenshot of the offending > inclusion. Something isn?t right but I?m not sure what it is at this stage, > > Cheers > > Monte > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From terry.judd at unimelb.edu.au Tue Sep 5 03:34:25 2017 From: terry.judd at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 07:34:25 +0000 Subject: remote debugging just stopped being available. In-Reply-To: References: <6783D4DF-17B3-41B2-8A35-CBF0CBB3E592@applicationinsight.com> <9E0C263E-8030-4840-AF6E-E83CE8664406@unimelb.edu.au> <559254DD-58E8-4A0E-8071-FB5926A38557@appisle.net> <0F5D2351-7C45-4800-B1DA-55C2F40E072E@unimelb.edu.au> <4D026324-5A35-40F4-860E-BFB6EE84245A@appisle.net> <9393363F-4EB7-45A4-99BF-628DA7C3A16C@appisle.net> <61DE80E0-1D81-4F2D-9DE7-A46B9BFB06C9@appisle.net> <1BC3367C-B901-4FF8-A8CA-A8590AC4E793@unimelb.edu.au> <7FB4A08C-CB81-4679-B7FB-EAF869812813@unimelb.edu.au> <3DD1CF91-A480-48EE-A357-F25124587D10@appisle.net> Message-ID: Thanks Ali ? I?ll probably just ignore it from now on ;) Terry... On 5/09/2017 5:26 pm, "use-livecode on behalf of Ali Lloyd via use-livecode" wrote: The date support library I think was used for the calendar widget example - I don't think it comes with the ide. You should be able to uninstall it using the extension manager, should you wish! On Tue, 5 Sep 2017 at 04:28, Terry Judd via use-livecode < use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > Bug 20327. > > Terry... > > On 5/09/2017 1:19 pm, "use-livecode on behalf of Terry Judd via > use-livecode" use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > OK will do ? it seems to be present in all version of LC 8 that I have > (8.1.3, 8.1.4 and 8.1.6) as well as LC 9.0.0 (dp 8). > > Terry... > > On 5/09/2017 1:09 pm, "use-livecode on behalf of Monte Goulding via > use-livecode" use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > > On 5 Sep 2017, at 1:08 pm, Terry Judd via use-livecode < > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > > Seems like it?s not required anyway. Would be interested to know > what it does (or doesn?t do) though. > > Can you open a report with a screenshot of the offending > inclusion. Something isn?t right but I?m not sure what it is at this stage, > > Cheers > > Monte > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From preid at reidit.co.uk Tue Sep 5 04:56:16 2017 From: preid at reidit.co.uk (Peter Reid) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 09:56:16 +0100 Subject: Deploying to Android (Amazon Fire 7) Message-ID: <961674DD-5CB4-4AA1-A027-A3BBDD613D15@reidit.co.uk> OK, I've been round the various circles (Lessons, Forum trails, etc.) but I'm completely confused! On my Mac, I've tried installing Java SDK 8.144, Android Studio 2.3.3 and set up LC 8.1.6 to point at the Android root. However, I can't see how I get to specify an Android device - a previous Android SDK had menu options for this, but the Studio doesn't seem to offer this without diving into a new project. I'm a simple animal who needs a straightforward list of things to do in sequence. I'm trying to do the following: 1. For me, install whatever I need to be able to develop Android apps on my Mac (macOS Sierra 10.12.6), with LiveCode 8.1.6 Business. 2. For a friend running Windows 7 64-bit, install whatever they need to be able to develop Android apps with LiveCode 8.1.6 Community. In both cases, the target device is the latest spec. Amazon Fire 7 Tablet (2017). For my friend, this is their 1st go at programming and I've persuaded them to try LiveCode, with me setting it up for them and providing tutoring support. Between us, we're hoping to develop a very simple app to help aged relatives and friends. LiveCode emphasises ease and speed of development, which I agree with over the 18 years I've used it (almost completely desktop/laptop developments). However, getting set up for mobile development is confusing, tedious and tortuous! Please can someone give me 2 step-by-step guides for these 2 development facilities. Thanks Peter -- Peter Reid Loughborough, UK From jonathandlynch at gmail.com Tue Sep 5 06:22:45 2017 From: jonathandlynch at gmail.com (jonathandlynch at gmail.com) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 06:22:45 -0400 Subject: Deploying to Android (Amazon Fire 7) In-Reply-To: <961674DD-5CB4-4AA1-A027-A3BBDD613D15@reidit.co.uk> References: <961674DD-5CB4-4AA1-A027-A3BBDD613D15@reidit.co.uk> Message-ID: <2B51DE3A-C7C7-4DB1-B18B-31E2BED3B73E@gmail.com> Hi Peter, Are you able to produce the android standalone file? I just copy that file to my android device and click on it to install it. I find it much easier than iOS. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 5, 2017, at 4:56 AM, Peter Reid via use-livecode wrote: > > OK, I've been round the various circles (Lessons, Forum trails, etc.) but I'm completely confused! > > On my Mac, I've tried installing Java SDK 8.144, Android Studio 2.3.3 and set up LC 8.1.6 to point at the Android root. However, I can't see how I get to specify an Android device - a previous Android SDK had menu options for this, but the Studio doesn't seem to offer this without diving into a new project. > > I'm a simple animal who needs a straightforward list of things to do in sequence. I'm trying to do the following: > > 1. For me, install whatever I need to be able to develop Android apps on my Mac (macOS Sierra 10.12.6), with LiveCode 8.1.6 Business. > 2. For a friend running Windows 7 64-bit, install whatever they need to be able to develop Android apps with LiveCode 8.1.6 Community. > > In both cases, the target device is the latest spec. Amazon Fire 7 Tablet (2017). For my friend, this is their 1st go at programming and I've persuaded them to try LiveCode, with me setting it up for them and providing tutoring support. Between us, we're hoping to develop a very simple app to help aged relatives and friends. > > LiveCode emphasises ease and speed of development, which I agree with over the 18 years I've used it (almost completely desktop/laptop developments). However, getting set up for mobile development is confusing, tedious and tortuous! > > Please can someone give me 2 step-by-step guides for these 2 development facilities. > > Thanks > > Peter > -- > Peter Reid > Loughborough, UK > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From jonathandlynch at gmail.com Tue Sep 5 07:11:43 2017 From: jonathandlynch at gmail.com (jonathandlynch at gmail.com) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 07:11:43 -0400 Subject: Deploying to Android (Amazon Fire 7) In-Reply-To: <2B51DE3A-C7C7-4DB1-B18B-31E2BED3B73E@gmail.com> References: <961674DD-5CB4-4AA1-A027-A3BBDD613D15@reidit.co.uk> <2B51DE3A-C7C7-4DB1-B18B-31E2BED3B73E@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9E9ED30D-70C1-4185-8FE2-A7906D8FD52A@gmail.com> A few more pointers: You need to have Android File Transfer installed on your Mac. You need to put the android device into developer mode. You can find instructions for this online. When you connect the device to a Mac you need to go into the settings in Android and change the setting for the connection from charging to file transfer. After you are in developer mode and after you have set it to allow file transfers, drag the Android standalone file from your Mac finder app into a convenient folder in the Android File Transfer app. In the Android device, open up the Amy Files app and click on the file you transferred. This will install the app. You can run it from there. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 5, 2017, at 6:22 AM, jonathandlynch at gmail.com wrote: > > Hi Peter, > > Are you able to produce the android standalone file? > > I just copy that file to my android device and click on it to install it. I find it much easier than iOS. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 5, 2017, at 4:56 AM, Peter Reid via use-livecode wrote: >> >> OK, I've been round the various circles (Lessons, Forum trails, etc.) but I'm completely confused! >> >> On my Mac, I've tried installing Java SDK 8.144, Android Studio 2.3.3 and set up LC 8.1.6 to point at the Android root. However, I can't see how I get to specify an Android device - a previous Android SDK had menu options for this, but the Studio doesn't seem to offer this without diving into a new project. >> >> I'm a simple animal who needs a straightforward list of things to do in sequence. I'm trying to do the following: >> >> 1. For me, install whatever I need to be able to develop Android apps on my Mac (macOS Sierra 10.12.6), with LiveCode 8.1.6 Business. >> 2. For a friend running Windows 7 64-bit, install whatever they need to be able to develop Android apps with LiveCode 8.1.6 Community. >> >> In both cases, the target device is the latest spec. Amazon Fire 7 Tablet (2017). For my friend, this is their 1st go at programming and I've persuaded them to try LiveCode, with me setting it up for them and providing tutoring support. Between us, we're hoping to develop a very simple app to help aged relatives and friends. >> >> LiveCode emphasises ease and speed of development, which I agree with over the 18 years I've used it (almost completely desktop/laptop developments). However, getting set up for mobile development is confusing, tedious and tortuous! >> >> Please can someone give me 2 step-by-step guides for these 2 development facilities. >> >> Thanks >> >> Peter >> -- >> Peter Reid >> Loughborough, UK >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From jonathandlynch at gmail.com Tue Sep 5 07:14:06 2017 From: jonathandlynch at gmail.com (jonathandlynch at gmail.com) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 07:14:06 -0400 Subject: Deploying to Android (Amazon Fire 7) In-Reply-To: <9E9ED30D-70C1-4185-8FE2-A7906D8FD52A@gmail.com> References: <961674DD-5CB4-4AA1-A027-A3BBDD613D15@reidit.co.uk> <2B51DE3A-C7C7-4DB1-B18B-31E2BED3B73E@gmail.com> <9E9ED30D-70C1-4185-8FE2-A7906D8FD52A@gmail.com> Message-ID: <84561BA2-5CFC-458E-8A71-4AAB28C33E5D@gmail.com> That last paragraph should say "My Files app" not "Amy Files app" Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 5, 2017, at 7:11 AM, jonathandlynch at gmail.com wrote: > > A few more pointers: > > You need to have Android File Transfer installed on your Mac. > > You need to put the android device into developer mode. You can find instructions for this online. > > When you connect the device to a Mac you need to go into the settings in Android and change the setting for the connection from charging to file transfer. > > After you are in developer mode and after you have set it to allow file transfers, drag the Android standalone file from your Mac finder app into a convenient folder in the Android File Transfer app. > > In the Android device, open up the Amy Files app and click on the file you transferred. This will install the app. You can run it from there. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 5, 2017, at 6:22 AM, jonathandlynch at gmail.com wrote: >> >> Hi Peter, >> >> Are you able to produce the android standalone file? >> >> I just copy that file to my android device and click on it to install it. I find it much easier than iOS. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Sep 5, 2017, at 4:56 AM, Peter Reid via use-livecode wrote: >>> >>> OK, I've been round the various circles (Lessons, Forum trails, etc.) but I'm completely confused! >>> >>> On my Mac, I've tried installing Java SDK 8.144, Android Studio 2.3.3 and set up LC 8.1.6 to point at the Android root. However, I can't see how I get to specify an Android device - a previous Android SDK had menu options for this, but the Studio doesn't seem to offer this without diving into a new project. >>> >>> I'm a simple animal who needs a straightforward list of things to do in sequence. I'm trying to do the following: >>> >>> 1. For me, install whatever I need to be able to develop Android apps on my Mac (macOS Sierra 10.12.6), with LiveCode 8.1.6 Business. >>> 2. For a friend running Windows 7 64-bit, install whatever they need to be able to develop Android apps with LiveCode 8.1.6 Community. >>> >>> In both cases, the target device is the latest spec. Amazon Fire 7 Tablet (2017). For my friend, this is their 1st go at programming and I've persuaded them to try LiveCode, with me setting it up for them and providing tutoring support. Between us, we're hoping to develop a very simple app to help aged relatives and friends. >>> >>> LiveCode emphasises ease and speed of development, which I agree with over the 18 years I've used it (almost completely desktop/laptop developments). However, getting set up for mobile development is confusing, tedious and tortuous! >>> >>> Please can someone give me 2 step-by-step guides for these 2 development facilities. >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Peter >>> -- >>> Peter Reid >>> Loughborough, UK >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Tue Sep 5 09:58:38 2017 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 16:58:38 +0300 Subject: customPropertyless Message-ID: <9a6de533-789b-5fe9-f6d1-8ec1453957ab@gmail.com> I have a button called "XXX" and it has 3 customProperties; "AA", "BB" & "CC" and this works very well indeed: onmouseEnter put"AA=" & (theAA ofme) & cr & "BB=" & (theBB ofme) & cr & "CC=" & (theCC ofme) intofld "propps" endmouseEnter But this does NOT: onmouseEnter putthe customProperties of meintofld "propps" endmouseEnter this is a Pain-In-the-Bum for objects that have an unknown number of customProps . . . Richmond. From mark at livecode.com Tue Sep 5 10:01:50 2017 From: mark at livecode.com (Mark Waddingham) Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2017 16:01:50 +0200 Subject: customPropertyless In-Reply-To: <9a6de533-789b-5fe9-f6d1-8ec1453957ab@gmail.com> References: <9a6de533-789b-5fe9-f6d1-8ec1453957ab@gmail.com> Message-ID: On 2017-09-05 15:58, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote: > onmouseEnter > > putthe customProperties of meintofld "propps" > > endmouseEnter The 'customProperties' property returns an array... So try: put the keys of (the customProperties of me) into fld "propps" Warmest Regards, Mark. -- Mark Waddingham ~ mark at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/ LiveCode: Everyone can create apps From klaus at major-k.de Tue Sep 5 10:03:02 2017 From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 16:03:02 +0200 Subject: customPropertyless In-Reply-To: <9a6de533-789b-5fe9-f6d1-8ec1453957ab@gmail.com> References: <9a6de533-789b-5fe9-f6d1-8ec1453957ab@gmail.com> Message-ID: <11674B06-B07B-4190-A2F5-D731A8057902@major-k.de> Hi Richmond, > Am 05.09.2017 um 15:58 schrieb Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode : > > I have a button called "XXX" and it has 3 customProperties; "AA", "BB" & "CC" > > and this works very well indeed: > > onmouseEnter > > put"AA=" & (theAA ofme) & cr & "BB=" & (theBB ofme) & cr & "CC=" & (theCC ofme) intofld "propps" > > endmouseEnter > > But this does NOT: > > onmouseEnter > > putthe customProperties of meintofld "propps" > > endmouseEnter > > this is a Pain-In-the-Bum for objects that have an unknown number of customProps . . . but this DOES: on mouseEnter put the customkeys of me into fld "propps" end mouseEnter > Richmond. Best Klaus -- Klaus Major http://www.major-k.de klaus at major-k.de From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Tue Sep 5 10:12:05 2017 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 17:12:05 +0300 Subject: customPropertyless In-Reply-To: <11674B06-B07B-4190-A2F5-D731A8057902@major-k.de> References: <9a6de533-789b-5fe9-f6d1-8ec1453957ab@gmail.com> <11674B06-B07B-4190-A2F5-D731A8057902@major-k.de> Message-ID: <6738aaee-80d3-e20f-83fc-776b411074f1@gmail.com> Thanks Mark and Klaus both! Richmond. On 9/5/17 5:03 pm, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote: > Hi Richmond, > >> Am 05.09.2017 um 15:58 schrieb Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode : >> >> I have a button called "XXX" and it has 3 customProperties; "AA", "BB" & "CC" >> >> and this works very well indeed: >> >> onmouseEnter >> >> put"AA=" & (theAA ofme) & cr & "BB=" & (theBB ofme) & cr & "CC=" & (theCC ofme) intofld "propps" >> >> endmouseEnter >> >> But this does NOT: >> >> onmouseEnter >> >> putthe customProperties of meintofld "propps" >> >> endmouseEnter >> >> this is a Pain-In-the-Bum for objects that have an unknown number of customProps . . . > but this DOES: > on mouseEnter > put the customkeys of me into fld "propps" > end mouseEnter > >> Richmond. > Best > > Klaus > > -- > Klaus Major > http://www.major-k.de > klaus at major-k.de > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com Tue Sep 5 10:19:08 2017 From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 10:19:08 -0400 Subject: remote debugging just stopped being available. In-Reply-To: References: <6783D4DF-17B3-41B2-8A35-CBF0CBB3E592@applicationinsight.com> <9E0C263E-8030-4840-AF6E-E83CE8664406@unimelb.edu.au> <559254DD-58E8-4A0E-8071-FB5926A38557@appisle.net> <0F5D2351-7C45-4800-B1DA-55C2F40E072E@unimelb.edu.au> <4D026324-5A35-40F4-860E-BFB6EE84245A@appisle.net> <9393363F-4EB7-45A4-99BF-628DA7C3A16C@appisle.net> <61DE80E0-1D81-4F2D-9DE7-A46B9BFB06C9@appisle.net> <1BC3367C-B901-4FF8-A8CA-A8590AC4E793@unimelb.edu.au> <7FB4A08C-CB81-4679-B7FB-EAF869812813@unimelb.edu.au> <3DD1CF91-A480-48EE-A357-F25124587D10@appisle.net> Message-ID: You also have to set the test target, and make sure your device is recognized. Yesterday, for example, the phone I was using to test kept disappearing from the list, so I had to disconnect/reconnect it. I didn't come up with a recipe that would let the team dive in and try to fix it. On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 3:34 AM, Terry Judd via use-livecode < use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > Thanks Ali ? I?ll probably just ignore it from now on ;) > > Terry... > > On 5/09/2017 5:26 pm, "use-livecode on behalf of Ali Lloyd via > use-livecode" use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > The date support library I think was used for the calendar widget > example - > I don't think it comes with the ide. You should be able to uninstall it > using the extension manager, should you wish! > > On Tue, 5 Sep 2017 at 04:28, Terry Judd via use-livecode < > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > Bug 20327. > > > > Terry... > > > > On 5/09/2017 1:19 pm, "use-livecode on behalf of Terry Judd via > > use-livecode" > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > > OK will do ? it seems to be present in all version of LC 8 that > I have > > (8.1.3, 8.1.4 and 8.1.6) as well as LC 9.0.0 (dp 8). > > > > Terry... > > > > On 5/09/2017 1:09 pm, "use-livecode on behalf of Monte Goulding > via > > use-livecode" > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On 5 Sep 2017, at 1:08 pm, Terry Judd via use-livecode < > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > > > > Seems like it?s not required anyway. Would be interested > to know > > what it does (or doesn?t do) though. > > > > Can you open a report with a screenshot of the offending > > inclusion. Something isn?t right but I?m not sure what it is at this > stage, > > > > Cheers > > > > Monte > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage > your > > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, "This is good." From panos.merakos at livecode.com Tue Sep 5 10:45:10 2017 From: panos.merakos at livecode.com (panagiotis merakos) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 15:45:10 +0100 Subject: [ANN] Release 8.1.7 RC-1 Message-ID: Dear list members, We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 8.1.7 RC-1. Getting the Release =================== You can get the release at https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/ or via the automatic updater. Release Contents ================ LiveCode 8.1.7 RC-1 contains 34 bug fixes, as well as security and stability improvements: - Several regressions have been fixed. - New version of tsNet (1.3.1) that addresses various network-related bugs is included (Indy + Business edition) The full release notes are available from: http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/8_1_7/LiveCodeNotes-8_1_7_rc_1.pdf Feedback ======== Please report any bugs encountered on our BugZilla at http://quality.livecode.com/ Have fun! The LiveCode Team -- From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Tue Sep 5 10:53:08 2017 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 17:53:08 +0300 Subject: [ANN] Release 8.1.7 RC-1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Exciting. Why am I excited every time there is a new LiveCode release? Because there is always something new to fiddle around with! Lovely! Richmond. On 9/5/17 5:45 pm, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode wrote: > Dear list members, > > We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 8.1.7 RC-1. > > Getting the Release > =================== > You can get the release at https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/ or via > the automatic updater. > > > Release Contents > ================ > > LiveCode 8.1.7 RC-1 contains 34 bug fixes, as well as security and > stability improvements: > > - Several regressions have been fixed. > - New version of tsNet (1.3.1) that addresses various network-related bugs > is included (Indy + Business edition) > > The full release notes are available from: > http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/8_1_7/LiveCodeNotes-8_1_7_rc_1.pdf > > > Feedback > ======== > Please report any bugs encountered on our BugZilla at > http://quality.livecode.com/ > > > Have fun! > The LiveCode Team > -- > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com Tue Sep 5 10:55:45 2017 From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 14:55:45 +0000 Subject: [OT] Hello World In-Reply-To: <77759182-f4ec-c781-b4bb-a6830c8684d3@gmail.com> References: <77759182-f4ec-c781-b4bb-a6830c8684d3@gmail.com> Message-ID: <93B2F37F-03E7-49E9-9C53-B6AFB1593141@iotecdigital.com> I never click these links. I can never know if your account was hacked and someone is spamming the list with a drive by. I always advise people to have a little text signature so that people can tell who know you that the email came from you personally. My Dad used to use L/D for Love Dad. I use Bob S. Your full name won't do, that is something a spammer could easily put in the email themselves. I think if everyone on the list followed this practice, and we got used to seeing that signature in all your posts, we would be more inclined to do what we have always been taught to NEVER NEVER DO, and that is, click the link. Bob S > On Sep 1, 2017, at 12:16 , Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote: > > Page 71 > > https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/rpi-magazines/issues/full_pdfs/000/000/004/original/HelloWorld03.pdf?1504167546 > > Richmond Mathewson. From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com Tue Sep 5 10:57:09 2017 From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 14:57:09 +0000 Subject: [off]macbook model In-Reply-To: References: <91D8EBD9-6AEC-4E64-88AF-FE30425CA209@iotecdigital.com> <03ec75f5-872a-bd64-f35e-e65d367e76f3@gmail.com> Message-ID: Yeah but the point is that we have to. Apple should include a simple one if they expect people to upgrade. Bob S > On Sep 1, 2017, at 12:48 , Rick Harrison via use-livecode wrote: > > If you get a new MacBook Pro with Thunderbolt-3 (USB-C) ports > there are a couple of nice docks which will split out most of the > standard old ports. Both Belkin and Plugable make them > > https://www.amazon.com/Plugable-Thunderbolt-Compatible-Supports-DisplayPort/dp/B06ZYR66QB > > https://www.amazon.com/Thunderbolt-Docking-Station-Delivery-Charging/dp/B073JDZGKK/ref=sr_1_8 > > I hope that helps someone. > > Rick From merakosp at gmail.com Tue Sep 5 10:58:11 2017 From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis merakos) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 15:58:11 +0100 Subject: remote debugging just stopped being available. In-Reply-To: References: <6783D4DF-17B3-41B2-8A35-CBF0CBB3E592@applicationinsight.com> <9E0C263E-8030-4840-AF6E-E83CE8664406@unimelb.edu.au> <559254DD-58E8-4A0E-8071-FB5926A38557@appisle.net> <0F5D2351-7C45-4800-B1DA-55C2F40E072E@unimelb.edu.au> <4D026324-5A35-40F4-860E-BFB6EE84245A@appisle.net> <9393363F-4EB7-45A4-99BF-628DA7C3A16C@appisle.net> <61DE80E0-1D81-4F2D-9DE7-A46B9BFB06C9@appisle.net> <1BC3367C-B901-4FF8-A8CA-A8590AC4E793@unimelb.edu.au> <7FB4A08C-CB81-4679-B7FB-EAF869812813@unimelb.edu.au> <3DD1CF91-A480-48EE-A357-F25124587D10@appisle.net> Message-ID: You also have to make sure that both the phone and your machine use he same internet connection Best, Panos -- On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 3:19 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode < use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > You also have to set the test target, and make sure your device is > recognized. Yesterday, for example, the phone I was using to test kept > disappearing from the list, so I had to disconnect/reconnect it. I didn't > come up with a recipe that would let the team dive in and try to fix it. > > On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 3:34 AM, Terry Judd via use-livecode < > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > Thanks Ali ? I?ll probably just ignore it from now on ;) > > > > Terry... > > > > On 5/09/2017 5:26 pm, "use-livecode on behalf of Ali Lloyd via > > use-livecode" > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > > The date support library I think was used for the calendar widget > > example - > > I don't think it comes with the ide. You should be able to uninstall > it > > using the extension manager, should you wish! > > > > On Tue, 5 Sep 2017 at 04:28, Terry Judd via use-livecode < > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > > > Bug 20327. > > > > > > Terry... > > > > > > On 5/09/2017 1:19 pm, "use-livecode on behalf of Terry Judd via > > > use-livecode" > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > > > > OK will do ? it seems to be present in all version of LC 8 that > > I have > > > (8.1.3, 8.1.4 and 8.1.6) as well as LC 9.0.0 (dp 8). > > > > > > Terry... > > > > > > On 5/09/2017 1:09 pm, "use-livecode on behalf of Monte Goulding > > via > > > use-livecode" > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On 5 Sep 2017, at 1:08 pm, Terry Judd via use-livecode < > > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > Seems like it?s not required anyway. Would be interested > > to know > > > what it does (or doesn?t do) though. > > > > > > Can you open a report with a screenshot of the offending > > > inclusion. Something isn?t right but I?m not sure what it is at > this > > stage, > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > Monte > > > _______________________________________________ > > > use-livecode mailing list > > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage > > your > > > subscription preferences: > > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > use-livecode mailing list > > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > > subscription preferences: > > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > use-livecode mailing list > > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > > subscription preferences: > > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > > -- > On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth > On the second day, God created the oceans. > On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, > and did a little diving. > And God said, "This is good." > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com Tue Sep 5 11:02:03 2017 From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 15:02:03 +0000 Subject: TSNet error 6 In-Reply-To: <78C29C5A-BE8C-441A-9861-4D795F38AE44@netrin.com> References: <78C29C5A-BE8C-441A-9861-4D795F38AE44@netrin.com> Message-ID: <46D7A86E-5040-4735-A498-70EF17AB2067@iotecdigital.com> What does, "a server being monitored" mean? How do I monitor a server?? Bob S > On Sep 2, 2017, at 13:44 , Jim Lambert via use-livecode wrote: > > reachabilityChanged From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net Tue Sep 5 11:06:46 2017 From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 11:06:46 -0400 Subject: [OT] Hello World In-Reply-To: <93B2F37F-03E7-49E9-9C53-B6AFB1593141@iotecdigital.com> References: <77759182-f4ec-c781-b4bb-a6830c8684d3@gmail.com> <93B2F37F-03E7-49E9-9C53-B6AFB1593141@iotecdigital.com> Message-ID: <007801d32658$98b01350$ca1039f0$@net> I agree. I open links like this on an isolated vanilla VM that I keep just for that purpose. It was a good read. Congrats! Ralph DiMola IT Director Evergreen Information Services rdimola at evergreeninfo.net -----Original Message----- From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Bob Sneidar via use-livecode Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2017 10:56 AM To: How to use LiveCode Cc: Bob Sneidar Subject: Re: [OT] Hello World I never click these links. I can never know if your account was hacked and someone is spamming the list with a drive by. I always advise people to have a little text signature so that people can tell who know you that the email came from you personally. My Dad used to use L/D for Love Dad. I use Bob S. Your full name won't do, that is something a spammer could easily put in the email themselves. I think if everyone on the list followed this practice, and we got used to seeing that signature in all your posts, we would be more inclined to do what we have always been taught to NEVER NEVER DO, and that is, click the link. Bob S > On Sep 1, 2017, at 12:16 , Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote: > > Page 71 > > https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/rpi-magazines/issues/full_pdfs/000/000/00 4/original/HelloWorld03.pdf?1504167546 > > Richmond Mathewson. _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com Tue Sep 5 11:06:37 2017 From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 11:06:37 -0400 Subject: remote debugging just stopped being available. In-Reply-To: References: <6783D4DF-17B3-41B2-8A35-CBF0CBB3E592@applicationinsight.com> <9E0C263E-8030-4840-AF6E-E83CE8664406@unimelb.edu.au> <559254DD-58E8-4A0E-8071-FB5926A38557@appisle.net> <0F5D2351-7C45-4800-B1DA-55C2F40E072E@unimelb.edu.au> <4D026324-5A35-40F4-860E-BFB6EE84245A@appisle.net> <9393363F-4EB7-45A4-99BF-628DA7C3A16C@appisle.net> <61DE80E0-1D81-4F2D-9DE7-A46B9BFB06C9@appisle.net> <1BC3367C-B901-4FF8-A8CA-A8590AC4E793@unimelb.edu.au> <7FB4A08C-CB81-4679-B7FB-EAF869812813@unimelb.edu.au> <3DD1CF91-A480-48EE-A357-F25124587D10@appisle.net> Message-ID: Well, Because if my funky remote debug crashing, yesterday, I just built a new app to see if I can reproduce the crash so I can file a bug report App created Remote debugger selected in inclusions profile selected, ios selected for build, name set Phone set as test target Nets are the same Hit test Everything seems ok, but the app never installs on the phone. (cringes and waits for someone to point out the silly thing I forgot to do) On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 10:58 AM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode < use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > You also have to make sure that both the phone and your machine use he same > internet connection > > Best, > Panos > -- > > On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 3:19 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode < > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > You also have to set the test target, and make sure your device is > > recognized. Yesterday, for example, the phone I was using to test kept > > disappearing from the list, so I had to disconnect/reconnect it. I > didn't > > come up with a recipe that would let the team dive in and try to fix it. > > > > On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 3:34 AM, Terry Judd via use-livecode < > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > > > Thanks Ali ? I?ll probably just ignore it from now on ;) > > > > > > Terry... > > > > > > On 5/09/2017 5:26 pm, "use-livecode on behalf of Ali Lloyd via > > > use-livecode" > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > > > > The date support library I think was used for the calendar widget > > > example - > > > I don't think it comes with the ide. You should be able to > uninstall > > it > > > using the extension manager, should you wish! > > > > > > On Tue, 5 Sep 2017 at 04:28, Terry Judd via use-livecode < > > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > > > > > Bug 20327. > > > > > > > > Terry... > > > > > > > > On 5/09/2017 1:19 pm, "use-livecode on behalf of Terry Judd via > > > > use-livecode" of > > > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > OK will do ? it seems to be present in all version of LC 8 > that > > > I have > > > > (8.1.3, 8.1.4 and 8.1.6) as well as LC 9.0.0 (dp 8). > > > > > > > > Terry... > > > > > > > > On 5/09/2017 1:09 pm, "use-livecode on behalf of Monte > Goulding > > > via > > > > use-livecode" of > > > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 5 Sep 2017, at 1:08 pm, Terry Judd via use-livecode > < > > > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Seems like it?s not required anyway. Would be > interested > > > to know > > > > what it does (or doesn?t do) though. > > > > > > > > Can you open a report with a screenshot of the offending > > > > inclusion. Something isn?t right but I?m not sure what it is at > > this > > > stage, > > > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > > > Monte > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > use-livecode mailing list > > > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and > manage > > > your > > > > subscription preferences: > > > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > use-livecode mailing list > > > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage > your > > > > subscription preferences: > > > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > use-livecode mailing list > > > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > > > subscription preferences: > > > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > > > use-livecode mailing list > > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > > subscription preferences: > > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > use-livecode mailing list > > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > > subscription preferences: > > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth > > On the second day, God created the oceans. > > On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, > > and did a little diving. > > And God said, "This is good." > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, "This is good." From merakosp at gmail.com Tue Sep 5 11:19:04 2017 From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis merakos) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 16:19:04 +0100 Subject: remote debugging just stopped being available. In-Reply-To: References: <6783D4DF-17B3-41B2-8A35-CBF0CBB3E592@applicationinsight.com> <9E0C263E-8030-4840-AF6E-E83CE8664406@unimelb.edu.au> <559254DD-58E8-4A0E-8071-FB5926A38557@appisle.net> <0F5D2351-7C45-4800-B1DA-55C2F40E072E@unimelb.edu.au> <4D026324-5A35-40F4-860E-BFB6EE84245A@appisle.net> <9393363F-4EB7-45A4-99BF-628DA7C3A16C@appisle.net> <61DE80E0-1D81-4F2D-9DE7-A46B9BFB06C9@appisle.net> <1BC3367C-B901-4FF8-A8CA-A8590AC4E793@unimelb.edu.au> <7FB4A08C-CB81-4679-B7FB-EAF869812813@unimelb.edu.au> <3DD1CF91-A480-48EE-A357-F25124587D10@appisle.net> Message-ID: If the app never installs on the phone, it is likely because of some provisioning profile-related issue (arghh!). Unfortunately this kind of error msgs are not shown when using the "Test" button. So I suggest you build an iOS standalone and try to install the app on the device using Xcode. This will (hopefully) show an error dialog with a descriptive msg when it tries to install the app into the phone. Best, Panos -- On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 4:06 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode < use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > Well, > Because if my funky remote debug crashing, yesterday, I just built a new > app to see if I can reproduce the crash so I can file a bug report > App created > Remote debugger selected in inclusions > profile selected, ios selected for build, name set > Phone set as test target > Nets are the same > Hit test > Everything seems ok, but the app never installs on the phone. > (cringes and waits for someone to point out the silly thing I forgot to do) > > On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 10:58 AM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode < > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > You also have to make sure that both the phone and your machine use he > same > > internet connection > > > > Best, > > Panos > > -- > > > > On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 3:19 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode < > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > > > You also have to set the test target, and make sure your device is > > > recognized. Yesterday, for example, the phone I was using to test kept > > > disappearing from the list, so I had to disconnect/reconnect it. I > > didn't > > > come up with a recipe that would let the team dive in and try to fix > it. > > > > > > On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 3:34 AM, Terry Judd via use-livecode < > > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > > > > > Thanks Ali ? I?ll probably just ignore it from now on ;) > > > > > > > > Terry... > > > > > > > > On 5/09/2017 5:26 pm, "use-livecode on behalf of Ali Lloyd via > > > > use-livecode" > > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > The date support library I think was used for the calendar widget > > > > example - > > > > I don't think it comes with the ide. You should be able to > > uninstall > > > it > > > > using the extension manager, should you wish! > > > > > > > > On Tue, 5 Sep 2017 at 04:28, Terry Judd via use-livecode < > > > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Bug 20327. > > > > > > > > > > Terry... > > > > > > > > > > On 5/09/2017 1:19 pm, "use-livecode on behalf of Terry Judd via > > > > > use-livecode" > of > > > > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > OK will do ? it seems to be present in all version of LC 8 > > that > > > > I have > > > > > (8.1.3, 8.1.4 and 8.1.6) as well as LC 9.0.0 (dp 8). > > > > > > > > > > Terry... > > > > > > > > > > On 5/09/2017 1:09 pm, "use-livecode on behalf of Monte > > Goulding > > > > via > > > > > use-livecode" > of > > > > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 5 Sep 2017, at 1:08 pm, Terry Judd via > use-livecode > > < > > > > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Seems like it?s not required anyway. Would be > > interested > > > > to know > > > > > what it does (or doesn?t do) though. > > > > > > > > > > Can you open a report with a screenshot of the > offending > > > > > inclusion. Something isn?t right but I?m not sure what it is at > > > this > > > > stage, > > > > > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > > > > > Monte > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > use-livecode mailing list > > > > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > > > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and > > manage > > > > your > > > > > subscription preferences: > > > > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > use-livecode mailing list > > > > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > > > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage > > your > > > > > subscription preferences: > > > > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > use-livecode mailing list > > > > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > > > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > > > > subscription preferences: > > > > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > use-livecode mailing list > > > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > > > subscription preferences: > > > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > use-livecode mailing list > > > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > > > subscription preferences: > > > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth > > > On the second day, God created the oceans. > > > On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, > > > and did a little diving. > > > And God said, "This is good." > > > _______________________________________________ > > > use-livecode mailing list > > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > > subscription preferences: > > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > > -- > On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth > On the second day, God created the oceans. > On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, > and did a little diving. > And God said, "This is good." > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com Tue Sep 5 11:19:52 2017 From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 15:19:52 +0000 Subject: TSNet error 6 In-Reply-To: <8359749e-fcf4-de8d-3b73-2fa0704c753a@hyperactivesw.com> References: <15e3e5111f0.285b.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com> <26B3A0DE-801D-4EDD-9E7B-5EF2CC707D7D@iotecdigital.com> <8359749e-fcf4-de8d-3b73-2fa0704c753a@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: If you are referring to the server using an IP address, then DNS is out of the equation, unless tsnet is internally trying to resolve a DNS name, which it might if signed SSL certificates are involved. If that is the case, then yes, it is out of your control, much like my Forms Generator app, when the local IT at a site has locked down outbound connections to SQL servers, or all DNS queries go through their content management system. In these cases, knowing the IP of the certificate server (like go daddy or network solutions) would not help as these are usually server farms and the IP address can change moment to moment. DNS is essential. It is possible (though definitely not prescribed) to create a hosts entry for one of the IP addresses of the cert authority, but there is no guarantee that server will be online in the future. Bob S > On Sep 1, 2017, at 13:41 , J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote: > > This is for an Android app that can be run from anywhere, so I don't have control over the routers or servers. (And yeah, I didn't quite get everything you were talking about, I'm a network novice.) > > The apps run fine for most people and only get this error with a few users. I think you're basically saying there's no cure, right? > > If the web site has a static IP and the Android app uses that instead of a domain name, will that fix it? The app is communicating with a database on the web server. From merakosp at gmail.com Tue Sep 5 11:21:25 2017 From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis merakos) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 16:21:25 +0100 Subject: [ANN] Release 8.1.7 RC-1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I believe a lot of users will be excited by this release (including myself), since several known long-standing issues are addressed. Just a sample of them: 9992 Export snapshot fails on iOS 16029 AppleScript dictionary seems to be absent 17098 Cursor does not move after hitting TAB when tab is right-aligned 17639 Cursor in fields renders in wrong position in fields with fixedLineHeight=false 18955 Browser widget crashes LC from 19080 Building iOS standalone can result in ARM/iOS version error 19420 Calling quit causes Android app to crash on next launch if Android is still retaining the app in RAM 19713 Images placed on Windows clipboard won't paste into Paint 20209 Incorrect text colour following copy and paste into 3rd party app 20231 Windows standalone crashes on quit when taskbar is hidden 20232 New folder separator char inconsistency on Windows 20282 the engine folder uses "\" in paths on Windows 20298 !r for menu item flag displays check mark instead of diamond 20310 Error accessing image data that Windows Paint puts on clipboard 20321 No default value in the ask window if the text contains char 0 Best, Panos -- On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 3:53 PM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode < use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > Exciting. > > Why am I excited every time there is a new LiveCode release? > > Because there is always something new to fiddle around with! > > Lovely! > > Richmond. > > > On 9/5/17 5:45 pm, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode wrote: > >> Dear list members, >> >> We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 8.1.7 RC-1. >> >> Getting the Release >> =================== >> You can get the release at https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/ or >> via >> the automatic updater. >> >> >> Release Contents >> ================ >> >> LiveCode 8.1.7 RC-1 contains 34 bug fixes, as well as security and >> stability improvements: >> >> - Several regressions have been fixed. >> - New version of tsNet (1.3.1) that addresses various network-related bugs >> is included (Indy + Business edition) >> >> The full release notes are available from: >> http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/8_1_7/LiveCodeNotes-8_1_7_rc_1.pdf >> >> >> Feedback >> ======== >> Please report any bugs encountered on our BugZilla at >> http://quality.livecode.com/ >> >> >> Have fun! >> The LiveCode Team >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com Tue Sep 5 11:40:51 2017 From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 11:40:51 -0400 Subject: remote debugging just stopped being available. In-Reply-To: References: <6783D4DF-17B3-41B2-8A35-CBF0CBB3E592@applicationinsight.com> <9E0C263E-8030-4840-AF6E-E83CE8664406@unimelb.edu.au> <559254DD-58E8-4A0E-8071-FB5926A38557@appisle.net> <0F5D2351-7C45-4800-B1DA-55C2F40E072E@unimelb.edu.au> <4D026324-5A35-40F4-860E-BFB6EE84245A@appisle.net> <9393363F-4EB7-45A4-99BF-628DA7C3A16C@appisle.net> <61DE80E0-1D81-4F2D-9DE7-A46B9BFB06C9@appisle.net> <1BC3367C-B901-4FF8-A8CA-A8590AC4E793@unimelb.edu.au> <7FB4A08C-CB81-4679-B7FB-EAF869812813@unimelb.edu.au> <3DD1CF91-A480-48EE-A357-F25124587D10@appisle.net> Message-ID: Yeah, I just discovered that a little while ago. So, is there a bug report? Should I file one? I didn't see one in the list. The only PP bug I see is the one I filed a couple months ago on the other issue. On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 11:19 AM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode < use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > If the app never installs on the phone, it is likely because of some > provisioning profile-related issue (arghh!). Unfortunately this kind of > error msgs are not shown when using the "Test" button. > > So I suggest you build an iOS standalone and try to install the app on the > device using Xcode. This will (hopefully) show an error dialog with a > descriptive msg when it tries to install the app into the phone. > > Best, > Panos > -- > > On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 4:06 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode < > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > Well, > > Because if my funky remote debug crashing, yesterday, I just built a new > > app to see if I can reproduce the crash so I can file a bug report > > App created > > Remote debugger selected in inclusions > > profile selected, ios selected for build, name set > > Phone set as test target > > Nets are the same > > Hit test > > Everything seems ok, but the app never installs on the phone. > > (cringes and waits for someone to point out the silly thing I forgot to > do) > > > > On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 10:58 AM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode < > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > > > You also have to make sure that both the phone and your machine use he > > same > > > internet connection > > > > > > Best, > > > Panos > > > -- > > > > > > On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 3:19 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode < > > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > > > > > You also have to set the test target, and make sure your device is > > > > recognized. Yesterday, for example, the phone I was using to test > kept > > > > disappearing from the list, so I had to disconnect/reconnect it. I > > > didn't > > > > come up with a recipe that would let the team dive in and try to fix > > it. > > > > > > > > On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 3:34 AM, Terry Judd via use-livecode < > > > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Thanks Ali ? I?ll probably just ignore it from now on ;) > > > > > > > > > > Terry... > > > > > > > > > > On 5/09/2017 5:26 pm, "use-livecode on behalf of Ali Lloyd via > > > > > use-livecode" > > > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > The date support library I think was used for the calendar > widget > > > > > example - > > > > > I don't think it comes with the ide. You should be able to > > > uninstall > > > > it > > > > > using the extension manager, should you wish! > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 5 Sep 2017 at 04:28, Terry Judd via use-livecode < > > > > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Bug 20327. > > > > > > > > > > > > Terry... > > > > > > > > > > > > On 5/09/2017 1:19 pm, "use-livecode on behalf of Terry Judd > via > > > > > > use-livecode" behalf > > > of > > > > > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > OK will do ? it seems to be present in all version of LC > 8 > > > that > > > > > I have > > > > > > (8.1.3, 8.1.4 and 8.1.6) as well as LC 9.0.0 (dp 8). > > > > > > > > > > > > Terry... > > > > > > > > > > > > On 5/09/2017 1:09 pm, "use-livecode on behalf of Monte > > > Goulding > > > > > via > > > > > > use-livecode" behalf > > > of > > > > > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 5 Sep 2017, at 1:08 pm, Terry Judd via > > use-livecode > > > < > > > > > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Seems like it?s not required anyway. Would be > > > interested > > > > > to know > > > > > > what it does (or doesn?t do) though. > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you open a report with a screenshot of the > > offending > > > > > > inclusion. Something isn?t right but I?m not sure what it is > at > > > > this > > > > > stage, > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > > > > > > > Monte > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > use-livecode mailing list > > > > > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > > > > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and > > > manage > > > > > your > > > > > > subscription preferences: > > > > > > http://lists.runrev.com/ > mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > use-livecode mailing list > > > > > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > > > > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and > manage > > > your > > > > > > subscription preferences: > > > > > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > use-livecode mailing list > > > > > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > > > > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage > your > > > > > > subscription preferences: > > > > > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > use-livecode mailing list > > > > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > > > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > > > > subscription preferences: > > > > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > use-livecode mailing list > > > > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > > > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > > > > subscription preferences: > > > > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth > > > > On the second day, God created the oceans. > > > > On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, > > > > and did a little diving. > > > > And God said, "This is good." > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > use-livecode mailing list > > > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > > > subscription preferences: > > > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > use-livecode mailing list > > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > > subscription preferences: > > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth > > On the second day, God created the oceans. > > On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, > > and did a little diving. > > And God said, "This is good." > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, "This is good." From merakosp at gmail.com Tue Sep 5 11:49:16 2017 From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis merakos) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 16:49:16 +0100 Subject: remote debugging just stopped being available. In-Reply-To: References: <6783D4DF-17B3-41B2-8A35-CBF0CBB3E592@applicationinsight.com> <9E0C263E-8030-4840-AF6E-E83CE8664406@unimelb.edu.au> <559254DD-58E8-4A0E-8071-FB5926A38557@appisle.net> <0F5D2351-7C45-4800-B1DA-55C2F40E072E@unimelb.edu.au> <4D026324-5A35-40F4-860E-BFB6EE84245A@appisle.net> <9393363F-4EB7-45A4-99BF-628DA7C3A16C@appisle.net> <61DE80E0-1D81-4F2D-9DE7-A46B9BFB06C9@appisle.net> <1BC3367C-B901-4FF8-A8CA-A8590AC4E793@unimelb.edu.au> <7FB4A08C-CB81-4679-B7FB-EAF869812813@unimelb.edu.au> <3DD1CF91-A480-48EE-A357-F25124587D10@appisle.net> Message-ID: I think I had filed one in the past, but I cannot find it now (this is related to mergDeploy external). So, yes please, if you don't mind, can you file one? BTW what was the exact error? Best, Panos -- On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 4:40 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode < use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > Yeah, I just discovered that a little while ago. So, is there a bug > report? Should I file one? I didn't see one in the list. The only PP bug > I see is the one I filed a couple months ago on the other issue. > > On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 11:19 AM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode < > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > If the app never installs on the phone, it is likely because of some > > provisioning profile-related issue (arghh!). Unfortunately this kind of > > error msgs are not shown when using the "Test" button. > > > > So I suggest you build an iOS standalone and try to install the app on > the > > device using Xcode. This will (hopefully) show an error dialog with a > > descriptive msg when it tries to install the app into the phone. > > > > Best, > > Panos > > -- > > > > On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 4:06 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode < > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > > > Well, > > > Because if my funky remote debug crashing, yesterday, I just built a > new > > > app to see if I can reproduce the crash so I can file a bug report > > > App created > > > Remote debugger selected in inclusions > > > profile selected, ios selected for build, name set > > > Phone set as test target > > > Nets are the same > > > Hit test > > > Everything seems ok, but the app never installs on the phone. > > > (cringes and waits for someone to point out the silly thing I forgot to > > do) > > > > > > On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 10:58 AM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode < > > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > > > > > You also have to make sure that both the phone and your machine use > he > > > same > > > > internet connection > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > Panos > > > > -- > > > > > > > > On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 3:19 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode < > > > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > You also have to set the test target, and make sure your device is > > > > > recognized. Yesterday, for example, the phone I was using to test > > kept > > > > > disappearing from the list, so I had to disconnect/reconnect it. I > > > > didn't > > > > > come up with a recipe that would let the team dive in and try to > fix > > > it. > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 3:34 AM, Terry Judd via use-livecode < > > > > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Ali ? I?ll probably just ignore it from now on ;) > > > > > > > > > > > > Terry... > > > > > > > > > > > > On 5/09/2017 5:26 pm, "use-livecode on behalf of Ali Lloyd via > > > > > > use-livecode" of > > > > > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > The date support library I think was used for the calendar > > widget > > > > > > example - > > > > > > I don't think it comes with the ide. You should be able to > > > > uninstall > > > > > it > > > > > > using the extension manager, should you wish! > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 5 Sep 2017 at 04:28, Terry Judd via use-livecode < > > > > > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bug 20327. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Terry... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 5/09/2017 1:19 pm, "use-livecode on behalf of Terry Judd > > via > > > > > > > use-livecode" > behalf > > > > of > > > > > > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OK will do ? it seems to be present in all version of > LC > > 8 > > > > that > > > > > > I have > > > > > > > (8.1.3, 8.1.4 and 8.1.6) as well as LC 9.0.0 (dp 8). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Terry... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 5/09/2017 1:09 pm, "use-livecode on behalf of Monte > > > > Goulding > > > > > > via > > > > > > > use-livecode" > behalf > > > > of > > > > > > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 5 Sep 2017, at 1:08 pm, Terry Judd via > > > use-livecode > > > > < > > > > > > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Seems like it?s not required anyway. Would be > > > > interested > > > > > > to know > > > > > > > what it does (or doesn?t do) though. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you open a report with a screenshot of the > > > offending > > > > > > > inclusion. Something isn?t right but I?m not sure what it > is > > at > > > > > this > > > > > > stage, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Monte > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > use-livecode mailing list > > > > > > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > > > > > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and > > > > manage > > > > > > your > > > > > > > subscription preferences: > > > > > > > http://lists.runrev.com/ > > mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > use-livecode mailing list > > > > > > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > > > > > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and > > manage > > > > your > > > > > > > subscription preferences: > > > > > > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > use-livecode mailing list > > > > > > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > > > > > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage > > your > > > > > > > subscription preferences: > > > > > > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > use-livecode mailing list > > > > > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > > > > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage > your > > > > > > subscription preferences: > > > > > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > use-livecode mailing list > > > > > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > > > > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > > > > > subscription preferences: > > > > > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth > > > > > On the second day, God created the oceans. > > > > > On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, > > > > > and did a little diving. > > > > > And God said, "This is good." > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > use-livecode mailing list > > > > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > > > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > > > > subscription preferences: > > > > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > use-livecode mailing list > > > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > > > subscription preferences: > > > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth > > > On the second day, God created the oceans. > > > On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, > > > and did a little diving. > > > And God said, "This is good." > > > _______________________________________________ > > > use-livecode mailing list > > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > > subscription preferences: > > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > > -- > On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth > On the second day, God created the oceans. > On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, > and did a little diving. > And God said, "This is good." > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com Tue Sep 5 11:53:53 2017 From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 11:53:53 -0400 Subject: remote debugging just stopped being available. In-Reply-To: References: <6783D4DF-17B3-41B2-8A35-CBF0CBB3E592@applicationinsight.com> <9E0C263E-8030-4840-AF6E-E83CE8664406@unimelb.edu.au> <559254DD-58E8-4A0E-8071-FB5926A38557@appisle.net> <0F5D2351-7C45-4800-B1DA-55C2F40E072E@unimelb.edu.au> <4D026324-5A35-40F4-860E-BFB6EE84245A@appisle.net> <9393363F-4EB7-45A4-99BF-628DA7C3A16C@appisle.net> <61DE80E0-1D81-4F2D-9DE7-A46B9BFB06C9@appisle.net> <1BC3367C-B901-4FF8-A8CA-A8590AC4E793@unimelb.edu.au> <7FB4A08C-CB81-4679-B7FB-EAF869812813@unimelb.edu.au> <3DD1CF91-A480-48EE-A357-F25124587D10@appisle.net> Message-ID: Invalid entitlements. That was it. On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 11:49 AM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode < use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > I think I had filed one in the past, but I cannot find it now (this is > related to mergDeploy external). So, yes please, if you don't mind, can you > file one? > > BTW what was the exact error? > > Best, > Panos > -- > > On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 4:40 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode < > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > Yeah, I just discovered that a little while ago. So, is there a bug > > report? Should I file one? I didn't see one in the list. The only PP > bug > > I see is the one I filed a couple months ago on the other issue. > > > > On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 11:19 AM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode < > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > > > If the app never installs on the phone, it is likely because of some > > > provisioning profile-related issue (arghh!). Unfortunately this kind of > > > error msgs are not shown when using the "Test" button. > > > > > > So I suggest you build an iOS standalone and try to install the app on > > the > > > device using Xcode. This will (hopefully) show an error dialog with a > > > descriptive msg when it tries to install the app into the phone. > > > > > > Best, > > > Panos > > > -- > > > > > > On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 4:06 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode < > > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > > > > > Well, > > > > Because if my funky remote debug crashing, yesterday, I just built a > > new > > > > app to see if I can reproduce the crash so I can file a bug report > > > > App created > > > > Remote debugger selected in inclusions > > > > profile selected, ios selected for build, name set > > > > Phone set as test target > > > > Nets are the same > > > > Hit test > > > > Everything seems ok, but the app never installs on the phone. > > > > (cringes and waits for someone to point out the silly thing I forgot > to > > > do) > > > > > > > > On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 10:58 AM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode > < > > > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > You also have to make sure that both the phone and your machine use > > he > > > > same > > > > > internet connection > > > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > > Panos > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 3:19 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode < > > > > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > You also have to set the test target, and make sure your device > is > > > > > > recognized. Yesterday, for example, the phone I was using to > test > > > kept > > > > > > disappearing from the list, so I had to disconnect/reconnect > it. I > > > > > didn't > > > > > > come up with a recipe that would let the team dive in and try to > > fix > > > > it. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 3:34 AM, Terry Judd via use-livecode < > > > > > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Ali ? I?ll probably just ignore it from now on ;) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Terry... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 5/09/2017 5:26 pm, "use-livecode on behalf of Ali Lloyd via > > > > > > > use-livecode" > of > > > > > > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The date support library I think was used for the calendar > > > widget > > > > > > > example - > > > > > > > I don't think it comes with the ide. You should be able to > > > > > uninstall > > > > > > it > > > > > > > using the extension manager, should you wish! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 5 Sep 2017 at 04:28, Terry Judd via use-livecode < > > > > > > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bug 20327. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Terry... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 5/09/2017 1:19 pm, "use-livecode on behalf of Terry > Judd > > > via > > > > > > > > use-livecode" > > behalf > > > > > of > > > > > > > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OK will do ? it seems to be present in all version of > > LC > > > 8 > > > > > that > > > > > > > I have > > > > > > > > (8.1.3, 8.1.4 and 8.1.6) as well as LC 9.0.0 (dp 8). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Terry... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 5/09/2017 1:09 pm, "use-livecode on behalf of > Monte > > > > > Goulding > > > > > > > via > > > > > > > > use-livecode" > > behalf > > > > > of > > > > > > > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 5 Sep 2017, at 1:08 pm, Terry Judd via > > > > use-livecode > > > > > < > > > > > > > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Seems like it?s not required anyway. Would be > > > > > interested > > > > > > > to know > > > > > > > > what it does (or doesn?t do) though. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you open a report with a screenshot of the > > > > offending > > > > > > > > inclusion. Something isn?t right but I?m not sure what it > > is > > > at > > > > > > this > > > > > > > stage, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Monte > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > use-livecode mailing list > > > > > > > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > > > > > > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe > and > > > > > manage > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > subscription preferences: > > > > > > > > http://lists.runrev.com/ > > > mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > use-livecode mailing list > > > > > > > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > > > > > > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and > > > manage > > > > > your > > > > > > > > subscription preferences: > > > > > > > > http://lists.runrev.com/ > mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > use-livecode mailing list > > > > > > > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > > > > > > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and > manage > > > your > > > > > > > > subscription preferences: > > > > > > > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > use-livecode mailing list > > > > > > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > > > > > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage > > your > > > > > > > subscription preferences: > > > > > > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > use-livecode mailing list > > > > > > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > > > > > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > > > > > > subscription preferences: > > > > > > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth > > > > > > On the second day, God created the oceans. > > > > > > On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, > > > > > > and did a little diving. > > > > > > And God said, "This is good." > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > use-livecode mailing list > > > > > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > > > > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > > > > > subscription preferences: > > > > > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > use-livecode mailing list > > > > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > > > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > > > > subscription preferences: > > > > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth > > > > On the second day, God created the oceans. > > > > On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, > > > > and did a little diving. > > > > And God said, "This is good." > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > use-livecode mailing list > > > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > > > subscription preferences: > > > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > use-livecode mailing list > > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > > subscription preferences: > > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth > > On the second day, God created the oceans. > > On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, > > and did a little diving. > > And God said, "This is good." > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, "This is good." From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net Tue Sep 5 11:58:28 2017 From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 11:58:28 -0400 Subject: [ANN[ Release 8.1.7 RC-1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <007f01d3265f$d09969e0$71cc3da0$@net> Panos, On Mac should the Tools/Runtime/iOS/Device-10_3 folder be empty? Thanks Ralph DiMola IT Director Evergreen Information Services rdimola at evergreeninfo.net From: livecode-dev [mailto:livecode-dev-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of panagiotis merakos Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2017 10:46 AM To: LiveCode Developer List Subject: [ANN[ Release 8.1.7 RC-1 Dear list members, We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 8.1.7 RC-1. Getting the Release =================== You can get the release at https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/ or via the automatic updater. Release Contents ================ LiveCode 8.1.7 RC-1 contains 34 bug fixes, as well as security and stability improvements: - Several regressions have been fixed. - New version of tsNet (1.3.1) that addresses various network-related bugs is included (Indy + Business edition) The full release notes are available from: http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/8_1_7/LiveCodeNotes-8_1_7_rc_1.pdf Feedback ======== Please report any bugs encountered on our BugZilla at http://quality.livecode.com/ Have fun! The LiveCode Team -- From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com Tue Sep 5 12:08:49 2017 From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 16:08:49 +0000 Subject: TSNet error 6 In-Reply-To: <001f01d323f1$e171f9f0$a455edd0$@net> References: <15e3e5111f0.285b.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com> <26B3A0DE-801D-4EDD-9E7B-5EF2CC707D7D@iotecdigital.com> <8359749e-fcf4-de8d-3b73-2fa0704c753a@hyperactivesw.com> <006401d32366$adac1a50$09044ef0$@net> <8b4a0936-9027-e294-6de8-de30c2632224@hyperactivesw.com> <001f01d323f1$e171f9f0$a455edd0$@net> Message-ID: That is interesting. Coffe Shops/Public Wifi typically use a proxy server and that may be what is restricting your DNS resolution. And yeah it could definitely be a router issue as well. Sometimes I have to reboot the router at work. No rhyme or reason, it just stops passing traffic and I have to reset it. Wireless is black magic voodoo anyways. Bob S > On Sep 2, 2017, at 06:46 , Ralph DiMola via use-livecode wrote: > > In today's episode, the user was in a coffee house using the free wifi (it was one of my testers, there on purpose for testing). The app could not resolve the host though the connection would have been constant. > When he tests from his own home everything works, as it does for all of us on the team. > > We're wondering if https has anything to do with it. He could connect to anything with Chrome but both my app and Slack would not work using https. Could that be a factor? > > We need to keep testing to see if https is really the cause, we're not quite sure yet. From merakosp at gmail.com Tue Sep 5 12:13:20 2017 From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis merakos) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 17:13:20 +0100 Subject: [ANN[ Release 8.1.7 RC-1 In-Reply-To: <007f01d3265f$d09969e0$71cc3da0$@net> References: <007f01d3265f$d09969e0$71cc3da0$@net> Message-ID: Hi Ralph, No, it should not, otherwise you would not be able to build device standalones using Xcode 8.3.x on Sierra. BTW I just checked and it is not empty for me (checked on Indy and Business). Maybe a failure during installation? Strange. Could you try to delete and reinstall? Best regards, Panos -- On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 4:58 PM, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode < use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > Panos, > > > > On Mac should the Tools/Runtime/iOS/Device-10_3 folder be empty? > > > > Thanks > > > > Ralph DiMola > > IT Director > > Evergreen Information Services > > rdimola at evergreeninfo.net > > > > From: livecode-dev [mailto:livecode-dev-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On > Behalf Of panagiotis merakos > Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2017 10:46 AM > To: LiveCode Developer List > Subject: [ANN[ Release 8.1.7 RC-1 > > > > Dear list members, > > > > We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 8.1.7 RC-1. > > > > Getting the Release > > =================== > > You can get the release at https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/ or > via the automatic updater. > > > > > > Release Contents > > ================ > > > > LiveCode 8.1.7 RC-1 contains 34 bug fixes, as well as security and > stability improvements: > > > > - Several regressions have been fixed. > > - New version of tsNet (1.3.1) that addresses various network-related bugs > is included (Indy + Business edition) > > > > The full release notes are available from: > > http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/8_1_7/LiveCodeNotes-8_1_7_rc_1.pdf > > > > > > Feedback > > ======== > > Please report any bugs encountered on our BugZilla at > > http://quality.livecode.com/ > > > > > > Have fun! > > The LiveCode Team > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com Tue Sep 5 12:12:57 2017 From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 12:12:57 -0400 Subject: remote debugging just stopped being available. In-Reply-To: References: <6783D4DF-17B3-41B2-8A35-CBF0CBB3E592@applicationinsight.com> <9E0C263E-8030-4840-AF6E-E83CE8664406@unimelb.edu.au> <559254DD-58E8-4A0E-8071-FB5926A38557@appisle.net> <0F5D2351-7C45-4800-B1DA-55C2F40E072E@unimelb.edu.au> <4D026324-5A35-40F4-860E-BFB6EE84245A@appisle.net> <9393363F-4EB7-45A4-99BF-628DA7C3A16C@appisle.net> <61DE80E0-1D81-4F2D-9DE7-A46B9BFB06C9@appisle.net> <1BC3367C-B901-4FF8-A8CA-A8590AC4E793@unimelb.edu.au> <7FB4A08C-CB81-4679-B7FB-EAF869812813@unimelb.edu.au> <3DD1CF91-A480-48EE-A357-F25124587D10@appisle.net> Message-ID: 20332 on this bug. Now I've got at least one or two more RD bugs that I'm working on reporting - one is the crash, the other is one that seems to be causing RD to not work at all for me, either. 20333 on the mergAV/remote debug crash I built a little sample app to see if I could further diagnose what's going on with RD, and I can't seem to get the RD to fire, now, either. From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com Tue Sep 5 12:23:22 2017 From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 16:23:22 +0000 Subject: Subject: Re: LC and OneSignal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <38688B57-CC31-4E3A-8D60-B8E4AC56D6C4@iotecdigital.com> You know of new users who have quit using Livecode because there aren't enough samples? I bet the Livecode people would love that list so they could contact them again. Bob S > On Sep 1, 2017, at 15:10 , Todd Fabacher via use-livecode wrote: > > If we want to grow our community we need something like this. LiveCode just > does not have sufficient examples for people starting out. So they quit. > > --Todd From colinholgate at gmail.com Tue Sep 5 12:35:57 2017 From: colinholgate at gmail.com (Colin Holgate) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 09:35:57 -0700 Subject: Deploying to Android (Amazon Fire 7) In-Reply-To: <961674DD-5CB4-4AA1-A027-A3BBDD613D15@reidit.co.uk> References: <961674DD-5CB4-4AA1-A027-A3BBDD613D15@reidit.co.uk> Message-ID: <189A5025-6C44-46B3-990C-B03D810E819C@gmail.com> I don?t know for sure if it?s still needed, but here are the steps I wrote about, that were needed back then, to add Kindle Fire to ADB: https://books.google.com/books?id=9lpx4JbMDrQC&pg=PT120&lpg=PT120&dq=colin+holgate+0x1949&source=bl&ots=rPkJGT8NQf&sig=PNo6PCRI1Hfl4d65-UTgRbpAgXg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwis1LjVvI7WAhVHw2MKHUPCBhMQ6AEIPjAF#v=onepage&q=colin%20holgate%200x1949&f=false When that loads you may need to scroll up a few lines to the start of that section. From sean at pidigital.co.uk Tue Sep 5 12:52:34 2017 From: sean at pidigital.co.uk (Sean Cole (Pi)) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 17:52:34 +0100 Subject: [OT] Hello World In-Reply-To: <007801d32658$98b01350$ca1039f0$@net> References: <77759182-f4ec-c781-b4bb-a6830c8684d3@gmail.com> <93B2F37F-03E7-49E9-9C53-B6AFB1593141@iotecdigital.com> <007801d32658$98b01350$ca1039f0$@net> Message-ID: Don't talk to strangers, always look before you cross, don't click the link, don't drive down the railway tracks. All these rules. I feel claustrophobic. Sean Cole *Pi Digital Productions Ltd* 'Don't try to think outside the box. Just remember the truth: There is no box!' 'For then you realise it is not the box you are trying to look outside of, but it is yourself!' eMail Ts & Cs Pi Digital Productions Ltd is a UK registered limited company, no. 5255609 On 5 September 2017 at 16:06, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode < use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > I agree. I open links like this on an isolated vanilla VM that I keep just > for that purpose. > > It was a good read. Congrats! > > Ralph DiMola > IT Director > Evergreen Information Services > rdimola at evergreeninfo.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On > Behalf > Of Bob Sneidar via use-livecode > Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2017 10:56 AM > To: How to use LiveCode > Cc: Bob Sneidar > Subject: Re: [OT] Hello World > > I never click these links. I can never know if your account was hacked and > someone is spamming the list with a drive by. > > I always advise people to have a little text signature so that people can > tell who know you that the email came from you personally. My Dad used to > use L/D for Love Dad. I use Bob S. Your full name won't do, that is > something a spammer could easily put in the email themselves. > > I think if everyone on the list followed this practice, and we got used to > seeing that signature in all your posts, we would be more inclined to do > what we have always been taught to NEVER NEVER DO, and that is, click the > link. > > Bob S > > > > On Sep 1, 2017, at 12:16 , Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode > wrote: > > > > Page 71 > > > > > https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/rpi-magazines/ > issues/full_pdfs/000/000/00 > 4/original/HelloWorld03.pdf?1504167546 > > > > Richmond Mathewson. > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Tue Sep 5 13:00:02 2017 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 20:00:02 +0300 Subject: [OT] Hello World In-Reply-To: <007801d32658$98b01350$ca1039f0$@net> References: <77759182-f4ec-c781-b4bb-a6830c8684d3@gmail.com> <93B2F37F-03E7-49E9-9C53-B6AFB1593141@iotecdigital.com> <007801d32658$98b01350$ca1039f0$@net> Message-ID: <27598186-4cbb-8616-e393-b6c1092760b1@gmail.com> I don't WHAT is wrong . . . I open links on my Mac (2007 iMac running Lion), I open links on my DELL Optiplex 745 (? 2007 ? running Xubuntu 16.04 LTS) and am still here to tell the tale. And "we got used to seeing that signature in all your posts" if you haven't got used to seeing "Richmond" on postings on this Use-list; well, frankly, . . . Oops, nearly forgot: Richmond. Richmond. I'll be getting like that terrible song about New York. Richmond. (Third time lucky). On 9/5/17 6:06 pm, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode wrote: > I agree. I open links like this on an isolated vanilla VM that I keep just > for that purpose. > > It was a good read. Congrats! > > Ralph DiMola > IT Director > Evergreen Information Services > rdimola at evergreeninfo.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf > Of Bob Sneidar via use-livecode > Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2017 10:56 AM > To: How to use LiveCode > Cc: Bob Sneidar > Subject: Re: [OT] Hello World > > I never click these links. I can never know if your account was hacked and > someone is spamming the list with a drive by. > > I always advise people to have a little text signature so that people can > tell who know you that the email came from you personally. My Dad used to > use L/D for Love Dad. I use Bob S. Your full name won't do, that is > something a spammer could easily put in the email themselves. > > I think if everyone on the list followed this practice, and we got used to > seeing that signature in all your posts, we would be more inclined to do > what we have always been taught to NEVER NEVER DO, and that is, click the > link. > > Bob S > > >> On Sep 1, 2017, at 12:16 , Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode > wrote: >> Page 71 >> >> > https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/rpi-magazines/issues/full_pdfs/000/000/00 > 4/original/HelloWorld03.pdf?1504167546 >> Richmond Mathewson. > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Tue Sep 5 13:06:51 2017 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 20:06:51 +0300 Subject: [ANN] Release 8.1.7 RC-1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Excited by many things. I wonder if snapshot, which was failing on desktop (Mac and Linux at least) has been sorted out? Majorly %^&*($# by this: The Linux version of LiveCode is STILL NOT loading a dictionary. [ I see that that problem has been "solved" in LC 9 dp 8 by simply inactivating the Dictionary button on Linux. ] So, as I stated before: "always something new to fiddle around with", and CAREFULLY avoided writing: somethings never seem to get completely sorted out, but, as you "rose to the bait" I have "baited my hook". Whatever my sour responses, LiveCode still "rocks the socks" off all the also-rans. Richmond. On 9/5/17 6:21 pm, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode wrote: > I believe a lot of users will be excited by this release (including > myself), since several known long-standing issues are addressed. Just a > sample of them: > > 9992 Export snapshot fails on iOS > 16029 AppleScript dictionary seems to be absent > 17098 Cursor does not move after hitting TAB when tab is right-aligned > 17639 Cursor in fields renders in wrong position in fields with > fixedLineHeight=false > 18955 Browser widget crashes LC from > 19080 Building iOS standalone can result in ARM/iOS version error > 19420 Calling quit causes Android app to crash on next launch if Android is > still retaining the app in RAM > 19713 Images placed on Windows clipboard won't paste into Paint > 20209 Incorrect text colour following copy and paste into 3rd party app > 20231 Windows standalone crashes on quit when taskbar is hidden > 20232 New folder separator char inconsistency on Windows > 20282 the engine folder uses "\" in paths on Windows > 20298 !r for menu item flag displays check mark instead of diamond > 20310 Error accessing image data that Windows Paint puts on clipboard > 20321 No default value in the ask window if the text contains char 0 > > Best, > Panos > -- > > On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 3:53 PM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode < > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > >> Exciting. >> >> Why am I excited every time there is a new LiveCode release? >> >> Because there is always something new to fiddle around with! >> >> Lovely! >> >> Richmond. >> >> >> On 9/5/17 5:45 pm, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode wrote: >> >>> Dear list members, >>> >>> We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 8.1.7 RC-1. >>> >>> Getting the Release >>> =================== >>> You can get the release at https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/ or >>> via >>> the automatic updater. >>> >>> >>> Release Contents >>> ================ >>> >>> LiveCode 8.1.7 RC-1 contains 34 bug fixes, as well as security and >>> stability improvements: >>> >>> - Several regressions have been fixed. >>> - New version of tsNet (1.3.1) that addresses various network-related bugs >>> is included (Indy + Business edition) >>> >>> The full release notes are available from: >>> http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/8_1_7/LiveCodeNotes-8_1_7_rc_1.pdf >>> >>> >>> Feedback >>> ======== >>> Please report any bugs encountered on our BugZilla at >>> http://quality.livecode.com/ >>> >>> >>> Have fun! >>> The LiveCode Team >>> -- >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net Tue Sep 5 13:11:42 2017 From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 13:11:42 -0400 Subject: [ANN[ Release 8.1.7 RC-1 In-Reply-To: References: <007f01d3265f$d09969e0$71cc3da0$@net> Message-ID: <009401d3266a$0baa10c0$22fe3240$@net> A re-download/re-install fixed it. Strange... Thanks Ralph DiMola IT Director Evergreen Information Services rdimola at evergreeninfo.net Phone: 518-636-3998 Ex:11 Cell: 518-796-9332 -----Original Message----- From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of panagiotis merakos via use-livecode Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2017 12:13 PM To: How to use LiveCode Cc: panagiotis merakos Subject: Re: [ANN[ Release 8.1.7 RC-1 Hi Ralph, No, it should not, otherwise you would not be able to build device standalones using Xcode 8.3.x on Sierra. BTW I just checked and it is not empty for me (checked on Indy and Business). Maybe a failure during installation? Strange. Could you try to delete and reinstall? Best regards, Panos -- On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 4:58 PM, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode < use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > Panos, > > > > On Mac should the Tools/Runtime/iOS/Device-10_3 folder be empty? > > > > Thanks > > > > Ralph DiMola > > IT Director > > Evergreen Information Services > > rdimola at evergreeninfo.net > > > > From: livecode-dev [mailto:livecode-dev-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On > Behalf Of panagiotis merakos > Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2017 10:46 AM > To: LiveCode Developer List > Subject: [ANN[ Release 8.1.7 RC-1 > > > > Dear list members, > > > > We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 8.1.7 RC-1. > > > > Getting the Release > > =================== > > You can get the release at https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/ or > via the automatic updater. > > > > > > Release Contents > > ================ > > > > LiveCode 8.1.7 RC-1 contains 34 bug fixes, as well as security and > stability improvements: > > > > - Several regressions have been fixed. > > - New version of tsNet (1.3.1) that addresses various network-related > bugs is included (Indy + Business edition) > > > > The full release notes are available from: > > http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/8_1_7/LiveCodeNotes-8_1_7_rc_1. > pdf > > > > > > Feedback > > ======== > > Please report any bugs encountered on our BugZilla at > > http://quality.livecode.com/ > > > > > > Have fun! > > The LiveCode Team > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Tue Sep 5 13:12:30 2017 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 20:12:30 +0300 Subject: Bu**ered by Bug reporter Message-ID: <324c93e0-bf84-2a78-ebf1-a0a055c71e52@gmail.com> I updated my version of the Waterfox web-browser on my Mac today and it kindly lost all my passwords. Clicking on "Forgot Password" on http://quality.livecode.com/ is useless as it does NOT allow me to get a new password. Richmond. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Tue Sep 5 13:14:18 2017 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 20:14:18 +0300 Subject: [OT] Hello World In-Reply-To: References: <77759182-f4ec-c781-b4bb-a6830c8684d3@gmail.com> <93B2F37F-03E7-49E9-9C53-B6AFB1593141@iotecdigital.com> <007801d32658$98b01350$ca1039f0$@net> Message-ID: <45eb3d24-44d6-7a83-5bc5-5188ee40b447@gmail.com> One of the many reasons I am extremely reluctant to go back to the Over-regulated "Untied" Kingdom. Richmond. On 9/5/17 7:52 pm, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode wrote: > Don't talk to strangers, always look before you cross, don't click the > link, don't drive down the railway tracks. All these rules. I feel > claustrophobic. > > Sean Cole > *Pi Digital Productions Ltd* > > 'Don't try to think outside the box. Just remember the truth: There is no > box!' > 'For then you realise it is not the box you are trying to look outside of, > but it is yourself!' > > eMail Ts & Cs Pi Digital > Productions Ltd is a UK registered limited company, no. 5255609 > > On 5 September 2017 at 16:06, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode < > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > >> I agree. I open links like this on an isolated vanilla VM that I keep just >> for that purpose. >> >> It was a good read. Congrats! >> >> Ralph DiMola >> IT Director >> Evergreen Information Services >> rdimola at evergreeninfo.net >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On >> Behalf >> Of Bob Sneidar via use-livecode >> Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2017 10:56 AM >> To: How to use LiveCode >> Cc: Bob Sneidar >> Subject: Re: [OT] Hello World >> >> I never click these links. I can never know if your account was hacked and >> someone is spamming the list with a drive by. >> >> I always advise people to have a little text signature so that people can >> tell who know you that the email came from you personally. My Dad used to >> use L/D for Love Dad. I use Bob S. Your full name won't do, that is >> something a spammer could easily put in the email themselves. >> >> I think if everyone on the list followed this practice, and we got used to >> seeing that signature in all your posts, we would be more inclined to do >> what we have always been taught to NEVER NEVER DO, and that is, click the >> link. >> >> Bob S >> >> >>> On Sep 1, 2017, at 12:16 , Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode >> wrote: >>> Page 71 >>> >>> >> https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/rpi-magazines/ >> issues/full_pdfs/000/000/00 >> 4/original/HelloWorld03.pdf?1504167546 >>> Richmond Mathewson. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription >> preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com Tue Sep 5 13:15:58 2017 From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 17:15:58 +0000 Subject: [OT] Hello World In-Reply-To: <27598186-4cbb-8616-e393-b6c1092760b1@gmail.com> References: <77759182-f4ec-c781-b4bb-a6830c8684d3@gmail.com> <93B2F37F-03E7-49E9-9C53-B6AFB1593141@iotecdigital.com> <007801d32658$98b01350$ca1039f0$@net> <27598186-4cbb-8616-e393-b6c1092760b1@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4955BAD3-1A37-4650-A8BB-DC62A724F086@iotecdigital.com> It wasn't Richmond, it was your full name. And I DO know what's wrong because my boss, after many urgings not to click the link, clicked the link, and encrypted all the files on our files server. Sure we had a backup, so we recovered all the files but the ones since the last backup. Bob S > On Sep 5, 2017, at 10:00 , Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote: > > I don't WHAT is wrong . . . > > I open links on my Mac (2007 iMac running Lion), I open links on my DELL Optiplex 745 (? 2007 ? running Xubuntu 16.04 LTS) > > and am still here to tell the tale. > > And "we got used to seeing that signature in all your posts" > > if you haven't got used to seeing "Richmond" on postings on this Use-list; well, frankly, . . . > > Oops, nearly forgot: > > Richmond. > > Richmond. > > I'll be getting like that terrible song about New York. > > Richmond. > > (Third time lucky). From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Tue Sep 5 13:22:40 2017 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 20:22:40 +0300 Subject: [OT] Hello World In-Reply-To: <4955BAD3-1A37-4650-A8BB-DC62A724F086@iotecdigital.com> References: <77759182-f4ec-c781-b4bb-a6830c8684d3@gmail.com> <93B2F37F-03E7-49E9-9C53-B6AFB1593141@iotecdigital.com> <007801d32658$98b01350$ca1039f0$@net> <27598186-4cbb-8616-e393-b6c1092760b1@gmail.com> <4955BAD3-1A37-4650-A8BB-DC62A724F086@iotecdigital.com> Message-ID: <5153f971-0eb7-25a2-257b-f8852a2d1bce@gmail.com> OK, Bob, and all others who find it creepy when I use my full name: I didn't! My FULL NAME is John Richmond Mathewson. The only people who call me 'John' are my family and the children I teach. I have used my second name since 1988 for all professional activities [mainly because I was, at that time, working at a Primary school in the UAE, where teachers are always called 'Mr John' or 'Mr Richmond' and there was another teacher who was older than me whose name was 'John']. End of transparent patch! Sometimes spending too much time on, frankly, extremely petty things like this could be a waste of time. Richmond. On 9/5/17 8:15 pm, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote: > It wasn't Richmond, it was your full name. And I DO know what's wrong because my boss, after many urgings not to click the link, clicked the link, and encrypted all the files on our files server. Sure we had a backup, so we recovered all the files but the ones since the last backup. > > Bob S > > >> On Sep 5, 2017, at 10:00 , Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote: >> >> I don't WHAT is wrong . . . >> >> I open links on my Mac (2007 iMac running Lion), I open links on my DELL Optiplex 745 (? 2007 ? running Xubuntu 16.04 LTS) >> >> and am still here to tell the tale. >> >> And "we got used to seeing that signature in all your posts" >> >> if you haven't got used to seeing "Richmond" on postings on this Use-list; well, frankly, . . . >> >> Oops, nearly forgot: >> >> Richmond. >> >> Richmond. >> >> I'll be getting like that terrible song about New York. >> >> Richmond. >> >> (Third time lucky). > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Tue Sep 5 13:25:31 2017 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2017 12:25:31 -0500 Subject: Deploying to Android (Amazon Fire 7) In-Reply-To: <9E9ED30D-70C1-4185-8FE2-A7906D8FD52A@gmail.com> References: <961674DD-5CB4-4AA1-A027-A3BBDD613D15@reidit.co.uk> <2B51DE3A-C7C7-4DB1-B18B-31E2BED3B73E@gmail.com> <9E9ED30D-70C1-4185-8FE2-A7906D8FD52A@gmail.com> Message-ID: <15e53135af8.285b.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com> If you don't want to install Android File Transfer you can also use a cloud service like Dropbox to move the apk to the device. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com On September 5, 2017 6:14:08 AM Jonathan Lynch via use-livecode wrote: > A few more pointers: > > You need to have Android File Transfer installed on your Mac. > > You need to put the android device into developer mode. You can find > instructions for this online. > > When you connect the device to a Mac you need to go into the settings in > Android and change the setting for the connection from charging to file > transfer. > > After you are in developer mode and after you have set it to allow file > transfers, drag the Android standalone file from your Mac finder app into a > convenient folder in the Android File Transfer app. > > In the Android device, open up the Amy Files app and click on the file you > transferred. This will install the app. You can run it from there. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 5, 2017, at 6:22 AM, jonathandlynch at gmail.com wrote: >> >> Hi Peter, >> >> Are you able to produce the android standalone file? >> >> I just copy that file to my android device and click on it to install it. I >> find it much easier than iOS. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Sep 5, 2017, at 4:56 AM, Peter Reid via use-livecode >>> wrote: >>> >>> OK, I've been round the various circles (Lessons, Forum trails, etc.) but >>> I'm completely confused! >>> >>> On my Mac, I've tried installing Java SDK 8.144, Android Studio 2.3.3 and >>> set up LC 8.1.6 to point at the Android root. However, I can't see how I >>> get to specify an Android device - a previous Android SDK had menu options >>> for this, but the Studio doesn't seem to offer this without diving into a >>> new project. >>> >>> I'm a simple animal who needs a straightforward list of things to do in >>> sequence. I'm trying to do the following: >>> >>> 1. For me, install whatever I need to be able to develop Android apps on my >>> Mac (macOS Sierra 10.12.6), with LiveCode 8.1.6 Business. >>> 2. For a friend running Windows 7 64-bit, install whatever they need to be >>> able to develop Android apps with LiveCode 8.1.6 Community. >>> >>> In both cases, the target device is the latest spec. Amazon Fire 7 Tablet >>> (2017). For my friend, this is their 1st go at programming and I've >>> persuaded them to try LiveCode, with me setting it up for them and >>> providing tutoring support. Between us, we're hoping to develop a very >>> simple app to help aged relatives and friends. >>> >>> LiveCode emphasises ease and speed of development, which I agree with over >>> the 18 years I've used it (almost completely desktop/laptop developments). >>> However, getting set up for mobile development is confusing, tedious and >>> tortuous! >>> >>> Please can someone give me 2 step-by-step guides for these 2 development >>> facilities. >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Peter >>> -- >>> Peter Reid >>> Loughborough, UK >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Tue Sep 5 13:33:05 2017 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 20:33:05 +0300 Subject: Bu**ered by Bug reporter In-Reply-To: <324c93e0-bf84-2a78-ebf1-a0a055c71e52@gmail.com> References: <324c93e0-bf84-2a78-ebf1-a0a055c71e52@gmail.com> Message-ID: <758fe9ec-8f04-94b5-b62a-26be82343f14@gmail.com> Well, as nobody bothered to tell me how to solve this I spent quite some time p*ssing around with a counter-intuitive thing until I worked out how to do it. Just found that clicking the button 'Dictionary' on the revMenuBar stack in LC 9 dp 8 on Xubuntu 16.04 LTS freezes the whole IDE, and the only way to sort this out is by sending a KILL signal to Livecode; far from satisfactory (quite apart from the NON dictionary). Bug 20334 Richmond. On 9/5/17 8:12 pm, Richmond Mathewson wrote: > I updated my version of the Waterfox web-browser on my Mac today and > it kindly lost all my passwords. > > Clicking on "Forgot Password" on http://quality.livecode.com/ > is useless as it does NOT allow me to get a new password. > > Richmond. From warren at warrensweb.us Tue Sep 5 13:52:37 2017 From: warren at warrensweb.us (Warren Samples) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 12:52:37 -0500 Subject: [ANN] Release 8.1.7 RC-1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3d7f8c95-accb-7ced-842d-974123c37fa1@warrensweb.us> On 09/05/2017 12:06 PM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote: > The Linux version of LiveCode is STILL NOT loading a dictionary. > > [ I see that that problem has been "solved" in LC 9 dp 8 by simply > inactivating the Dictionary button on Linux. ] I have no problems with the dictionary in openSUSE (an unsupported distro!) in any LC 8.x version including this one. In fact, I haven't encountered this issue in any of the many different unsupported distros I've tested. I do, however, suffer from the problem with the dictionary/browser in the later versions of LC 9. Aren't these issues the result of at least two distinct problems? Warren From ambassador at fourthworld.com Tue Sep 5 14:03:11 2017 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 11:03:11 -0700 Subject: [OT] Hello World In-Reply-To: <4955BAD3-1A37-4650-A8BB-DC62A724F086@iotecdigital.com> References: <4955BAD3-1A37-4650-A8BB-DC62A724F086@iotecdigital.com> Message-ID: <5a3d97a7-7cb5-de23-58b0-700301cd9d21@fourthworld.com> Bob Sneidar wrote: >> On Sep 1, 2017, at 12:16 , Richmond Mathewson wrote: >> Page 71 >> > https://s3-eu-west-1.[LINK_ALTERED_FOR_SAFETY].com/rpi-magazines/issues/full_pdfs/000/000/004/original/HelloWorld03.pdf?1504167546 >> Richmond Mathewson. ... > It wasn't Richmond, it was your full name. And I DO know what's wrong > because my boss, after many urgings not to click the link, clicked the > link, and encrypted all the files on our files server. Sure we had a > backup, so we recovered all the files but the ones since the last > backup. @Bob: I think I missed something. Is the link given above dangerous? I've altered it for safety here, but it would be unusual if it were. The link is direct to a PDF (a format which is not entirely without its risks I suppose) but isn't embedded within a page that has JavaScript. Indeed, it's not an an HTML page at all. So does the PDF itself contain ransomware, and if so which variant? And how quickly after clicking the link did the encrypting begin? I opened that PDF in Chrome an hour ago. I have multiple backups, but it would be helpful to know if I need to budget time today to prepare for recovery. If not, what link are you referring to? @Richmond: why do you suppose the publisher doesn't have a domain name? -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Systems Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web ____________________________________________________________________ Ambassador at FourthWorld.com http://www.FourthWorld.com From ambassador at fourthworld.com Tue Sep 5 14:07:53 2017 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 11:07:53 -0700 Subject: [ANN] Release 8.1.7 RC-1 In-Reply-To: <3d7f8c95-accb-7ced-842d-974123c37fa1@warrensweb.us> References: <3d7f8c95-accb-7ced-842d-974123c37fa1@warrensweb.us> Message-ID: <4e8db8e3-791b-90db-3347-894ea6be2d89@fourthworld.com> Warren Samples wrote: > On 09/05/2017 12:06 PM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote: >> The Linux version of LiveCode is STILL NOT loading a dictionary. >> >> [ I see that that problem has been "solved" in LC 9 dp 8 by simply >> inactivating the Dictionary button on Linux. ] > > > I have no problems with the dictionary in openSUSE (an unsupported > distro!) in any LC 8.x version including this one. In fact, I haven't > encountered this issue in any of the many different unsupported > distros I've tested. > > I do, however, suffer from the problem with the dictionary/browser in > the later versions of LC 9. Aren't these issues the result of at least > two distinct problems? Thanks for the info, Warren. I see similar results here under Ubuntu 14.04 and 16.04: v8.1.7rc1 opens the Dictionary well, v.9dp8 doesn't. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Systems Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web ____________________________________________________________________ Ambassador at FourthWorld.com http://www.FourthWorld.com From brian at milby7.com Tue Sep 5 14:20:04 2017 From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 13:20:04 -0500 Subject: [ANN] Release 8.1.7 RC-1 Message-ID: I guess I need to get a VM configured with Linux to test. I've been trying to help with the dictionary but so far only testing with Mac/Win. One thing I do notice is that it does take a while to load. Switching to the guide and back to API usually has it finish loading. Of course if the whole IDE is frozen then that won't do any good. > > On Sep 5, 2017 at 1:07 PM, wrote: > > > > Warren Samples wrote: > On 09/05/2017 12:06 PM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote: >> The Linux version of LiveCode is STILL NOT loading a dictionary. >> >> [ I see that that problem has been "solved" in LC 9 dp 8 by simply >> inactivating the Dictionary button on Linux. ] > > > I have no problems with the dictionary in openSUSE (an unsupported > distro!) in any LC 8.x version including this one. In fact, I haven't > encountered this issue in any of the many different unsupported > distros I've tested. > > I do, however, suffer from the problem with the dictionary/browser in > the later versions of LC 9. Aren't these issues the result of at least > two distinct problems? Thanks for the info, Warren. I see similar results here under Ubuntu 14.04 and 16.04: v8.1.7rc1 opens the Dictionary well, v.9dp8 doesn't. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Systems Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web ______________________________ ______________________________________ Ambassador at FourthWorld.com http://www.FourthWorld.com _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > From merakosp at gmail.com Tue Sep 5 14:25:32 2017 From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis merakos) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 19:25:32 +0100 Subject: [ANN] Release 8.1.7 RC-1 In-Reply-To: <4e8db8e3-791b-90db-3347-894ea6be2d89@fourthworld.com> References: <3d7f8c95-accb-7ced-842d-974123c37fa1@warrensweb.us> <4e8db8e3-791b-90db-3347-894ea6be2d89@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: Hi all, There are 2 different issues: 1. The dictionary on Linux (and the browser widget in general) does not work **in some systems** in LC 8.x. This is not distro-specific, but rather locale-specific, and there is a workaround described in the bug report. 2. The dictionary on Linux (and the browser widget) does not work at all in LC 9.0 DP-7+. This is mentioned as a "known issue" in the release email. We have spent *a lot* of hours trying to fix this, but with no result. We believe that the issue is caused by an incompatibility of the current version of CEF we use (needed for the browser widget), and we think the issue will be fixed when we update the version of CEF we use. Unfortunately this is not an easy task, so I do not expect it to be fixed in LC 9.0 DP-9. best, Panos -- On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 7:07 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode < use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > Warren Samples wrote: > > > On 09/05/2017 12:06 PM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote: > >> The Linux version of LiveCode is STILL NOT loading a dictionary. > >> > >> [ I see that that problem has been "solved" in LC 9 dp 8 by simply > >> inactivating the Dictionary button on Linux. ] > > > > > > I have no problems with the dictionary in openSUSE (an unsupported > > distro!) in any LC 8.x version including this one. In fact, I haven't > > encountered this issue in any of the many different unsupported > > distros I've tested. > > > > I do, however, suffer from the problem with the dictionary/browser in > > the later versions of LC 9. Aren't these issues the result of at least > > two distinct problems? > > Thanks for the info, Warren. I see similar results here under Ubuntu > 14.04 and 16.04: v8.1.7rc1 opens the Dictionary well, v.9dp8 doesn't. > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World Systems > Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web > ____________________________________________________________________ > Ambassador at FourthWorld.com http://www.FourthWorld.com > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Tue Sep 5 14:46:45 2017 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 21:46:45 +0300 Subject: [OT] Hello World In-Reply-To: <5a3d97a7-7cb5-de23-58b0-700301cd9d21@fourthworld.com> References: <4955BAD3-1A37-4650-A8BB-DC62A724F086@iotecdigital.com> <5a3d97a7-7cb5-de23-58b0-700301cd9d21@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <3a48f799-43b2-473b-41b2-10bde7543b63@gmail.com> Here is the publisher's domain: https://helloworld.raspberrypi.org/ And teachers right across the world are merrily downloading that PDF without getting their knickers in a twist. Richmond. On 9/5/17 9:03 pm, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote: > Bob Sneidar wrote: > > >> On Sep 1, 2017, at 12:16 , Richmond Mathewson wrote: > >> Page 71 > >> > > > https://s3-eu-west-1.[LINK_ALTERED_FOR_SAFETY].com/rpi-magazines/issues/full_pdfs/000/000/004/original/HelloWorld03.pdf?1504167546 > >> Richmond Mathewson. > ... > > It wasn't Richmond, it was your full name. And I DO know what's wrong > > because my boss, after many urgings not to click the link, clicked the > > link, and encrypted all the files on our files server. Sure we had a > > backup, so we recovered all the files but the ones since the last > > backup. > > @Bob: I think I missed something. Is the link given above dangerous? > I've altered it for safety here, but it would be unusual if it were. > > The link is direct to a PDF (a format which is not entirely without > its risks I suppose) but isn't embedded within a page that has > JavaScript. Indeed, it's not an an HTML page at all. > > So does the PDF itself contain ransomware, and if so which variant? > And how quickly after clicking the link did the encrypting begin? I > opened that PDF in Chrome an hour ago. I have multiple backups, but > it would be helpful to know if I need to budget time today to prepare > for recovery. > > If not, what link are you referring to? > > > @Richmond: why do you suppose the publisher doesn't have a domain name? > From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Tue Sep 5 14:49:00 2017 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 21:49:00 +0300 Subject: [ANN] Release 8.1.7 RC-1 In-Reply-To: References: <3d7f8c95-accb-7ced-842d-974123c37fa1@warrensweb.us> <4e8db8e3-791b-90db-3347-894ea6be2d89@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <44aa9b2f-865b-d912-f038-87e4dc18149b@gmail.com> Here's a really dangerous, radical thought . . . as the Dictionary DOES WORK for LC 7.1.4 with Linux would it not be possible to port that for LC 9? Richmond. On 9/5/17 9:25 pm, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode wrote: > Hi all, > > There are 2 different issues: > > 1. The dictionary on Linux (and the browser widget in general) does not > work **in some systems** in LC 8.x. This is not distro-specific, but rather > locale-specific, and there is a workaround described in the bug report. > > 2. The dictionary on Linux (and the browser widget) does not work at all in > LC 9.0 DP-7+. This is mentioned as a "known issue" in the release email. We > have spent *a lot* of hours trying to fix this, but with no result. We > believe that the issue is caused by an incompatibility of the current > version of CEF we use (needed for the browser widget), and we think the > issue will be fixed when we update the version of CEF we use. Unfortunately > this is not an easy task, so I do not expect it to be fixed in LC 9.0 DP-9. > > best, > Panos > -- > > On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 7:07 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode < > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > >> Warren Samples wrote: >> >>> On 09/05/2017 12:06 PM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote: >>>> The Linux version of LiveCode is STILL NOT loading a dictionary. >>>> >>>> [ I see that that problem has been "solved" in LC 9 dp 8 by simply >>>> inactivating the Dictionary button on Linux. ] >>> >>> I have no problems with the dictionary in openSUSE (an unsupported >>> distro!) in any LC 8.x version including this one. In fact, I haven't >>> encountered this issue in any of the many different unsupported >>> distros I've tested. >>> >>> I do, however, suffer from the problem with the dictionary/browser in >>> the later versions of LC 9. Aren't these issues the result of at least >>> two distinct problems? >> Thanks for the info, Warren. I see similar results here under Ubuntu >> 14.04 and 16.04: v8.1.7rc1 opens the Dictionary well, v.9dp8 doesn't. >> >> -- >> Richard Gaskin >> Fourth World Systems >> Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web >> ____________________________________________________________________ >> Ambassador at FourthWorld.com http://www.FourthWorld.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de Tue Sep 5 15:04:14 2017 From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 21:04:14 +0200 Subject: [OT] Hello World In-Reply-To: <5a3d97a7-7cb5-de23-58b0-700301cd9d21@fourthworld.com> References: <4955BAD3-1A37-4650-A8BB-DC62A724F086@iotecdigital.com> <5a3d97a7-7cb5-de23-58b0-700301cd9d21@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <9328E0EE-AE90-4552-803E-EB90C232A351@m-r-d.de> Matthias Rebbe +49 5741 310000 ?wirmachen.software ? > Am 05.09.2017 um 20:03 schrieb Richard Gaskin via use-livecode >: > > The link is direct to a PDF (a format which is not entirely without its risks I suppose) but isn't embedded within a page that has JavaScript. Indeed, it's not an an HTML page at all. > Even if the link seems to direct to a file, this could not be the case. The following link for example directs also to a pdf https://qck.biz/sample.pdf but the server redirects that link to a .lc file which outputs some text and runs a javascript (just an popup box). So you never can be sure. ;) Matthias > So does the PDF itself contain ransomware, and if so which variant? And how quickly after clicking the link did the encrypting begin? I opened that PDF in Chrome an hour ago. I have multiple backups, but it would be helpful to know if I need to budget time today to prepare for recovery. > > If not, what link are you referring to? > > > @Richmond: why do you suppose the publisher doesn't have a domain name? > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World Systems > Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web > ____________________________________________________________________ > Ambassador at FourthWorld.com http://www.FourthWorld.com > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From merakosp at gmail.com Tue Sep 5 15:18:55 2017 From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis merakos) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 20:18:55 +0100 Subject: [ANN] Release 8.1.7 RC-1 In-Reply-To: <44aa9b2f-865b-d912-f038-87e4dc18149b@gmail.com> References: <3d7f8c95-accb-7ced-842d-974123c37fa1@warrensweb.us> <4e8db8e3-791b-90db-3347-894ea6be2d89@fourthworld.com> <44aa9b2f-865b-d912-f038-87e4dc18149b@gmail.com> Message-ID: Well, that would take us a step (or lots of steps!) back :) The dictionary in LC < 8 is totally different, it is a .livecode stack that displays .xml files (e.g. the dictionary entries). In LC 8+ it uses a browser widget, and all the entries have been re-written to .lcdoc files. This makes it more easily maintainable and extensible. BTW the bug I was referring to (in LC 8), which describes a workaround is this one: http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16848 Workaround described in comment 81(!) and/or 96(!) On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 7:49 PM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode < use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > Here's a really dangerous, radical thought . . . > > as the Dictionary DOES WORK for LC 7.1.4 with Linux would it not be > possible to > port that for LC 9? > > Richmond. > > > On 9/5/17 9:25 pm, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> There are 2 different issues: >> >> 1. The dictionary on Linux (and the browser widget in general) does not >> work **in some systems** in LC 8.x. This is not distro-specific, but >> rather >> locale-specific, and there is a workaround described in the bug report. >> >> 2. The dictionary on Linux (and the browser widget) does not work at all >> in >> LC 9.0 DP-7+. This is mentioned as a "known issue" in the release email. >> We >> have spent *a lot* of hours trying to fix this, but with no result. We >> believe that the issue is caused by an incompatibility of the current >> version of CEF we use (needed for the browser widget), and we think the >> issue will be fixed when we update the version of CEF we use. >> Unfortunately >> this is not an easy task, so I do not expect it to be fixed in LC 9.0 >> DP-9. >> >> best, >> Panos >> -- >> >> On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 7:07 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode < >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: >> >> Warren Samples wrote: >>> >>> On 09/05/2017 12:06 PM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote: >>>> >>>>> The Linux version of LiveCode is STILL NOT loading a dictionary. >>>>> >>>>> [ I see that that problem has been "solved" in LC 9 dp 8 by simply >>>>> inactivating the Dictionary button on Linux. ] >>>>> >>>> >>>> I have no problems with the dictionary in openSUSE (an unsupported >>>> distro!) in any LC 8.x version including this one. In fact, I haven't >>>> encountered this issue in any of the many different unsupported >>>> distros I've tested. >>>> >>>> I do, however, suffer from the problem with the dictionary/browser in >>>> the later versions of LC 9. Aren't these issues the result of at least >>>> two distinct problems? >>>> >>> Thanks for the info, Warren. I see similar results here under Ubuntu >>> 14.04 and 16.04: v8.1.7rc1 opens the Dictionary well, v.9dp8 doesn't. >>> >>> -- >>> Richard Gaskin >>> Fourth World Systems >>> Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web >>> ____________________________________________________________________ >>> Ambassador at FourthWorld.com http://www.FourthWorld.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From preid at reidit.co.uk Tue Sep 5 15:32:05 2017 From: preid at reidit.co.uk (Peter Reid) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 20:32:05 +0100 Subject: Deploying to Android (Amazon Fire 7) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <837BBD72-02C0-4691-937E-2F43FDE265FC@reidit.co.uk> Hi Jonathan, Colin & Jacqueline Thanks for the various suggestions. On my Mac, I have installed the Java SDK 8.144 and Android Studio 2.3.3 together with Android File Transfer. In LC 8.1.6 I have set up the reference to the Android SDK (/Users/peter/Library/Android/sdk/). On my Amazon Fie 7 tablet, I have enabled Developer mode and EDB debugging. With this set-up I am able to build an APK app package and copy the APK to the Downloads folder on the tablet. If I tap open the APK file it offers to install it, with 2 apparently active buttons - Cancel and Install (both in the same colour orange text). The screen correctly list the facilities the app will need access to. However, only the Cancel responds to a tap, the Install does nothing and says nothing! Any suggestions as to how I get over this last hurdle? Thanks Peter -- Peter Reid Loughborough, UK > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 09:35:57 -0700 > From: Colin Holgate > To: How to use LiveCode > Subject: Re: Deploying to Android (Amazon Fire 7) > Message-ID: <189A5025-6C44-46B3-990C-B03D810E819C at gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > I don?t know for sure if it?s still needed, but here are the steps I wrote about, that were needed back then, to add Kindle Fire to ADB: > > https://books.google.com/books?id=9lpx4JbMDrQC&pg=PT120&lpg=PT120&dq=colin+holgate+0x1949&source=bl&ots=rPkJGT8NQf&sig=PNo6PCRI1Hfl4d65-UTgRbpAgXg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwis1LjVvI7WAhVHw2MKHUPCBhMQ6AEIPjAF#v=onepage&q=colin%20holgate%200x1949&f=false > > When that loads you may need to scroll up a few lines to the start of that section. > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2017 12:25:31 -0500 > From: "J. Landman Gay" > To: How to use LiveCode > Subject: Re: Deploying to Android (Amazon Fire 7) > Message-ID: > <15e53135af8.285b.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9 at hyperactivesw.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="us-ascii" > > If you don't want to install Android File Transfer you can also use a cloud > service like Dropbox to move the apk to the device. > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com >> Message: 1 >> Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 06:22:45 -0400 >> From: jonathandlynch at gmail.com >> To: How to use LiveCode >> Cc: Peter Reid >> Subject: Re: Deploying to Android (Amazon Fire 7) >> Message-ID: <2B51DE3A-C7C7-4DB1-B18B-31E2BED3B73E at gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> >> Hi Peter, >> >> Are you able to produce the android standalone file? >> >> I just copy that file to my android device and click on it to install it. I find it much easier than iOS. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 07:11:43 -0400 >> From: jonathandlynch at gmail.com >> To: How to use LiveCode >> Cc: Peter Reid >> Subject: Re: Deploying to Android (Amazon Fire 7) >> Message-ID: <9E9ED30D-70C1-4185-8FE2-A7906D8FD52A at gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> >> A few more pointers: >> >> You need to have Android File Transfer installed on your Mac. >> >> You need to put the android device into developer mode. You can find instructions for this online. >> >> When you connect the device to a Mac you need to go into the settings in Android and change the setting for the connection from charging to file transfer. >> >> After you are in developer mode and after you have set it to allow file transfers, drag the Android standalone file from your Mac finder app into a convenient folder in the Android File Transfer app. >> >> In the Android device, open up the Amy Files app and click on the file you transferred. This will install the app. You can run it from there. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 07:14:06 -0400 >> From: jonathandlynch at gmail.com >> To: How to use LiveCode >> Subject: Re: Deploying to Android (Amazon Fire 7) >> Message-ID: <84561BA2-5CFC-458E-8A71-4AAB28C33E5D at gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> >> That last paragraph should say "My Files app" not "Amy Files app" >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> From colinholgate at gmail.com Tue Sep 5 15:39:58 2017 From: colinholgate at gmail.com (Colin Holgate) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 12:39:58 -0700 Subject: Deploying to Android (Amazon Fire 7) In-Reply-To: <837BBD72-02C0-4691-937E-2F43FDE265FC@reidit.co.uk> References: <837BBD72-02C0-4691-937E-2F43FDE265FC@reidit.co.uk> Message-ID: I don?t know the answer to your question, but as far as testing a LiveCode app on Android goes, I would use the Development menu, Test Target, Test, to try it on a connected Android device. For installing an APK I would usually just post it online somewhere, that way I can try it on various devices without having to connect them, or even have them at all (it might be someone else doing the testing). One odd thing you said, as far as I know Fire is always in developer mode. > On Sep 5, 2017, at 12:32 PM, Peter Reid via use-livecode wrote: > > Hi Jonathan, Colin & Jacqueline > > Thanks for the various suggestions. > > On my Mac, I have installed the Java SDK 8.144 and Android Studio 2.3.3 together with Android File Transfer. In LC 8.1.6 I have set up the reference to the Android SDK (/Users/peter/Library/Android/sdk/). On my Amazon Fie 7 tablet, I have enabled Developer mode and EDB debugging. > > With this set-up I am able to build an APK app package and copy the APK to the Downloads folder on the tablet. If I tap open the APK file it offers to install it, with 2 apparently active buttons - Cancel and Install (both in the same colour orange text). The screen correctly list the facilities the app will need access to. However, only the Cancel responds to a tap, the Install does nothing and says nothing! > > Any suggestions as to how I get over this last hurdle? > > Thanks > > Peter > -- > Peter Reid > Loughborough, UK > >> Message: 1 >> Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 09:35:57 -0700 >> From: Colin Holgate >> To: How to use LiveCode >> Subject: Re: Deploying to Android (Amazon Fire 7) >> Message-ID: <189A5025-6C44-46B3-990C-B03D810E819C at gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> >> I don?t know for sure if it?s still needed, but here are the steps I wrote about, that were needed back then, to add Kindle Fire to ADB: >> >> https://books.google.com/books?id=9lpx4JbMDrQC&pg=PT120&lpg=PT120&dq=colin+holgate+0x1949&source=bl&ots=rPkJGT8NQf&sig=PNo6PCRI1Hfl4d65-UTgRbpAgXg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwis1LjVvI7WAhVHw2MKHUPCBhMQ6AEIPjAF#v=onepage&q=colin%20holgate%200x1949&f=false >> >> When that loads you may need to scroll up a few lines to the start of that section. >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 10 >> Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2017 12:25:31 -0500 >> From: "J. Landman Gay" >> To: How to use LiveCode >> Subject: Re: Deploying to Android (Amazon Fire 7) >> Message-ID: >> <15e53135af8.285b.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9 at hyperactivesw.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="us-ascii" >> >> If you don't want to install Android File Transfer you can also use a cloud >> service like Dropbox to move the apk to the device. >> -- >> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com >> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > > >>> Message: 1 >>> Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 06:22:45 -0400 >>> From: jonathandlynch at gmail.com >>> To: How to use LiveCode >>> Cc: Peter Reid >>> Subject: Re: Deploying to Android (Amazon Fire 7) >>> Message-ID: <2B51DE3A-C7C7-4DB1-B18B-31E2BED3B73E at gmail.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >>> >>> Hi Peter, >>> >>> Are you able to produce the android standalone file? >>> >>> I just copy that file to my android device and click on it to install it. I find it much easier than iOS. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 2 >>> Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 07:11:43 -0400 >>> From: jonathandlynch at gmail.com >>> To: How to use LiveCode >>> Cc: Peter Reid >>> Subject: Re: Deploying to Android (Amazon Fire 7) >>> Message-ID: <9E9ED30D-70C1-4185-8FE2-A7906D8FD52A at gmail.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >>> >>> A few more pointers: >>> >>> You need to have Android File Transfer installed on your Mac. >>> >>> You need to put the android device into developer mode. You can find instructions for this online. >>> >>> When you connect the device to a Mac you need to go into the settings in Android and change the setting for the connection from charging to file transfer. >>> >>> After you are in developer mode and after you have set it to allow file transfers, drag the Android standalone file from your Mac finder app into a convenient folder in the Android File Transfer app. >>> >>> In the Android device, open up the Amy Files app and click on the file you transferred. This will install the app. You can run it from there. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 3 >>> Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 07:14:06 -0400 >>> From: jonathandlynch at gmail.com >>> To: How to use LiveCode >>> Subject: Re: Deploying to Android (Amazon Fire 7) >>> Message-ID: <84561BA2-5CFC-458E-8A71-4AAB28C33E5D at gmail.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >>> >>> That last paragraph should say "My Files app" not "Amy Files app" >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From ambassador at fourthworld.com Tue Sep 5 16:02:18 2017 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 13:02:18 -0700 Subject: [OT] Hello World In-Reply-To: <9328E0EE-AE90-4552-803E-EB90C232A351@m-r-d.de> References: <9328E0EE-AE90-4552-803E-EB90C232A351@m-r-d.de> Message-ID: <19154278-7874-4193-308d-d228ea6ccefb@fourthworld.com> Yes, all sorts of things are possible, and perhaps we should all be using Qubes OS. Here I was most interested in learning the specifics Bob reported with the link. -- Richard Gaskin Matthias Rebbe wrote: >> Am 05.09.2017 um 20:03 schrieb Richard Gaskin via use-livecode >: >> > >> The link is direct to a PDF (a format which is not entirely without its risks I suppose) but isn't embedded within a page that has JavaScript. Indeed, it's not an an HTML page at all. >> > Even if the link seems to direct to a file, this could not be the case. The following link for example directs also to a pdf > > https://qck.biz/sample.pdf > > but the server redirects that link to a .lc file which outputs some text and runs a javascript (just an popup box). > > So you never can be sure. ;) > > Matthias > > >> So does the PDF itself contain ransomware, and if so which variant? And how quickly after clicking the link did the encrypting begin? I opened that PDF in Chrome an hour ago. I have multiple backups, but it would be helpful to know if I need to budget time today to prepare for recovery. >> >> If not, what link are you referring to? >> >> >> @Richmond: why do you suppose the publisher doesn't have a domain name? >> >> -- >> Richard Gaskin >> Fourth World Systems From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com Tue Sep 5 16:08:08 2017 From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 20:08:08 +0000 Subject: [OT] Hello World In-Reply-To: <5a3d97a7-7cb5-de23-58b0-700301cd9d21@fourthworld.com> References: <4955BAD3-1A37-4650-A8BB-DC62A724F086@iotecdigital.com> <5a3d97a7-7cb5-de23-58b0-700301cd9d21@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <7AABC52D-3B36-4F85-9D37-175DB5CC660E@iotecdigital.com> I don't mean to imply the link Richmond posted was malware. I was responding to the post where Richmond indicated he didn't see what was wrong (I took that to mean clicking a link in an email) to which I responded that what was wrong (with clicking links in general) is that it may seem to be from one person when actually it is not. Given that has actually happened to people on this list, I don't think it is out of the ordinary to be a little cautious. And since he usually signs Richmond, and this time it was signed Richmond Mathewson, I thought it might be a good opportunity to remind everyone on the list who do like to post links, that it is easier to trust when the list member uses a unique signature that no one else could have discerned. Sorry for the confusion. Bob S > On Sep 5, 2017, at 11:03 , Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote: > > Bob Sneidar wrote: > > >> On Sep 1, 2017, at 12:16 , Richmond Mathewson wrote: > >> Page 71 > >> > > https://s3-eu-west-1.[LINK_ALTERED_FOR_SAFETY].com/rpi-magazines/issues/full_pdfs/000/000/004/original/HelloWorld03.pdf?1504167546 > >> Richmond Mathewson. > ... > > It wasn't Richmond, it was your full name. And I DO know what's wrong > > because my boss, after many urgings not to click the link, clicked the > > link, and encrypted all the files on our files server. Sure we had a > > backup, so we recovered all the files but the ones since the last > > backup. > > @Bob: I think I missed something. Is the link given above dangerous? I've altered it for safety here, but it would be unusual if it were. > > The link is direct to a PDF (a format which is not entirely without its risks I suppose) but isn't embedded within a page that has JavaScript. Indeed, it's not an an HTML page at all. > > So does the PDF itself contain ransomware, and if so which variant? And how quickly after clicking the link did the encrypting begin? I opened that PDF in Chrome an hour ago. I have multiple backups, but it would be helpful to know if I need to budget time today to prepare for recovery. > > If not, what link are you referring to? > > > @Richmond: why do you suppose the publisher doesn't have a domain name? > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World Systems > Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web From ambassador at fourthworld.com Tue Sep 5 16:23:13 2017 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 13:23:13 -0700 Subject: [OT] Hello World In-Reply-To: <7AABC52D-3B36-4F85-9D37-175DB5CC660E@iotecdigital.com> References: <7AABC52D-3B36-4F85-9D37-175DB5CC660E@iotecdigital.com> Message-ID: Bob Sneidar wrote: > I don't mean to imply the link Richmond posted was malware. I was > responding to the post where Richmond indicated he didn't see what > was wrong (I took that to mean clicking a link in an email) to which > I responded that what was wrong (with clicking links in general) is > that it may seem to be from one person when actually it is not. Given > that has actually happened to people on this list, I don't think it > is out of the ordinary to be a little cautious. And since he usually > signs Richmond, and this time it was signed Richmond Mathewson, I > thought it might be a good opportunity to remind everyone on the list > who do like to post links, that it is easier to trust when the list > member uses a unique signature that no one else could have discerned. > > Sorry for the confusion. No worries. Glad the link was a good one. Looking for usual patterns can help, but only so much. After all, if they're usual they're usually found in the usual places, and things like mailing lists often have public archives. Ralph's practice of keeping his browser containerized is probably the best bet, something Qubes OS is designed to do for all apps, and something we'll likely see more of from other OS vendors. For us app developers, and old-time users accustomed to freely interoperating among programs, the future may seem a dim place, where each process is ever more tightly sandboxed, with what little data is allowed to be exchanged happening through narrow channels controlled by the OS. But with things like IDN homograph attacks, there's really nothing anyone can do to prevent clicking on bad URLs - we either give up clicking URLs altogether, or accept ever tighter app sandboxing. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Systems Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web ____________________________________________________________________ Ambassador at FourthWorld.com http://www.FourthWorld.com From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Tue Sep 5 16:32:16 2017 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 15:32:16 -0500 Subject: [ANN] Release 8.1.7 RC-1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4516e0b4-f4ff-c327-fe3a-49c6b98d97cb@hyperactivesw.com> On 9/5/17 10:21 AM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode wrote: > 19420 Calling quit causes Android app to crash on next launch if Android is > still retaining the app in RAM For anyone who attended my LC Global presentation, this is the "quit" problem I mentioned. Great news that it is fixed now, and you can use the quit command again on Android. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Tue Sep 5 16:37:08 2017 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 15:37:08 -0500 Subject: TSNet error 6 In-Reply-To: References: <15e3e5111f0.285b.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com> <26B3A0DE-801D-4EDD-9E7B-5EF2CC707D7D@iotecdigital.com> <8359749e-fcf4-de8d-3b73-2fa0704c753a@hyperactivesw.com> <006401d32366$adac1a50$09044ef0$@net> <8b4a0936-9027-e294-6de8-de30c2632224@hyperactivesw.com> <001f01d323f1$e171f9f0$a455edd0$@net> Message-ID: Okay, so three of us have been running around for a couple of days trying to find "bad" internet connections. Sometimes we walk to the limits of our router until we barely get a connection, and we get curl error 35. At some coffee shops with a solid connection we get error 6, once error 7. Sometimes Slack works, sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes we don't have any problems at all on public wifi. I think this is out of our control. On 9/5/17 11:08 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote: > That is interesting. Coffe Shops/Public Wifi typically use a proxy server and that may be what is restricting your DNS resolution. And yeah it could definitely be a router issue as well. Sometimes I have to reboot the router at work. No rhyme or reason, it just stops passing traffic and I have to reset it. Wireless is black magic voodoo anyways. > > Bob S > > >> On Sep 2, 2017, at 06:46 , Ralph DiMola via use-livecode wrote: >> >> In today's episode, the user was in a coffee house using the free wifi (it was one of my testers, there on purpose for testing). The app could not resolve the host though the connection would have been constant. >> When he tests from his own home everything works, as it does for all of us on the team. >> >> We're wondering if https has anything to do with it. He could connect to anything with Chrome but both my app and Slack would not work using https. Could that be a factor? >> >> We need to keep testing to see if https is really the cause, we're not quite sure yet. > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From merakosp at gmail.com Tue Sep 5 17:25:23 2017 From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis merakos) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 22:25:23 +0100 Subject: Deploying to Android (Amazon Fire 7) In-Reply-To: References: <837BBD72-02C0-4691-937E-2F43FDE265FC@reidit.co.uk> Message-ID: Peter, If you try to install an apk to device using a different way than the Test button, you have to make sure you have "Sign for Development only" in the Android standalone settings. Best Panos On Sep 5, 2017 20:40, "Colin Holgate via use-livecode" < use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > I don?t know the answer to your question, but as far as testing a LiveCode > app on Android goes, I would use the Development menu, Test Target, Test, > to try it on a connected Android device. > > For installing an APK I would usually just post it online somewhere, that > way I can try it on various devices without having to connect them, or even > have them at all (it might be someone else doing the testing). > > One odd thing you said, as far as I know Fire is always in developer mode. > > > > On Sep 5, 2017, at 12:32 PM, Peter Reid via use-livecode < > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > > Hi Jonathan, Colin & Jacqueline > > > > Thanks for the various suggestions. > > > > On my Mac, I have installed the Java SDK 8.144 and Android Studio 2.3.3 > together with Android File Transfer. In LC 8.1.6 I have set up the > reference to the Android SDK (/Users/peter/Library/Android/sdk/). On my > Amazon Fie 7 tablet, I have enabled Developer mode and EDB debugging. > > > > With this set-up I am able to build an APK app package and copy the APK > to the Downloads folder on the tablet. If I tap open the APK file it > offers to install it, with 2 apparently active buttons - Cancel and Install > (both in the same colour orange text). The screen correctly list the > facilities the app will need access to. However, only the Cancel responds > to a tap, the Install does nothing and says nothing! > > > > Any suggestions as to how I get over this last hurdle? > > > > Thanks > > > > Peter > > -- > > Peter Reid > > Loughborough, UK > > > >> Message: 1 > >> Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 09:35:57 -0700 > >> From: Colin Holgate > >> To: How to use LiveCode > >> Subject: Re: Deploying to Android (Amazon Fire 7) > >> Message-ID: <189A5025-6C44-46B3-990C-B03D810E819C at gmail.com> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > >> > >> I don?t know for sure if it?s still needed, but here are the steps I > wrote about, that were needed back then, to add Kindle Fire to ADB: > >> > >> https://books.google.com/books?id=9lpx4JbMDrQC&pg= > PT120&lpg=PT120&dq=colin+holgate+0x1949&source=bl&ots=rPkJGT8NQf&sig= > PNo6PCRI1Hfl4d65-UTgRbpAgXg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwis1LjVvI7WAhVHw2MKHUPCB > hMQ6AEIPjAF#v=onepage&q=colin%20holgate%200x1949&f=false > >> > >> When that loads you may need to scroll up a few lines to the start of > that section. > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> Message: 10 > >> Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2017 12:25:31 -0500 > >> From: "J. Landman Gay" > >> To: How to use LiveCode > >> Subject: Re: Deploying to Android (Amazon Fire 7) > >> Message-ID: > >> <15e53135af8.285b.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07 > f9 at hyperactivesw.com> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="us-ascii" > >> > >> If you don't want to install Android File Transfer you can also use a > cloud > >> service like Dropbox to move the apk to the device. > >> -- > >> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > >> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > > > > > >>> Message: 1 > >>> Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 06:22:45 -0400 > >>> From: jonathandlynch at gmail.com > >>> To: How to use LiveCode > >>> Cc: Peter Reid > >>> Subject: Re: Deploying to Android (Amazon Fire 7) > >>> Message-ID: <2B51DE3A-C7C7-4DB1-B18B-31E2BED3B73E at gmail.com> > >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > >>> > >>> Hi Peter, > >>> > >>> Are you able to produce the android standalone file? > >>> > >>> I just copy that file to my android device and click on it to install > it. I find it much easier than iOS. > >>> > >>> Sent from my iPhone > >>> > >>> ------------------------------ > >>> > >>> Message: 2 > >>> Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 07:11:43 -0400 > >>> From: jonathandlynch at gmail.com > >>> To: How to use LiveCode > >>> Cc: Peter Reid > >>> Subject: Re: Deploying to Android (Amazon Fire 7) > >>> Message-ID: <9E9ED30D-70C1-4185-8FE2-A7906D8FD52A at gmail.com> > >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > >>> > >>> A few more pointers: > >>> > >>> You need to have Android File Transfer installed on your Mac. > >>> > >>> You need to put the android device into developer mode. You can find > instructions for this online. > >>> > >>> When you connect the device to a Mac you need to go into the settings > in Android and change the setting for the connection from charging to file > transfer. > >>> > >>> After you are in developer mode and after you have set it to allow > file transfers, drag the Android standalone file from your Mac finder app > into a convenient folder in the Android File Transfer app. > >>> > >>> In the Android device, open up the Amy Files app and click on the file > you transferred. This will install the app. You can run it from there. > >>> > >>> Sent from my iPhone > >>> > >>> ------------------------------ > >>> > >>> Message: 3 > >>> Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 07:14:06 -0400 > >>> From: jonathandlynch at gmail.com > >>> To: How to use LiveCode > >>> Subject: Re: Deploying to Android (Amazon Fire 7) > >>> Message-ID: <84561BA2-5CFC-458E-8A71-4AAB28C33E5D at gmail.com> > >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > >>> > >>> That last paragraph should say "My Files app" not "Amy Files app" > >>> > >>> Sent from my iPhone > >>> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com Tue Sep 5 18:03:17 2017 From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 22:03:17 +0000 Subject: Something is wrong with 8.1.7 RC1 Message-ID: Hi all. Just tried 8.1.7 RC1 for OS X. My code starts to fail right away. I have a simple handler called ArrangeMenus, which if not in development mode removes a couple menu buttons, then bumps the buttons over filling in the gaps. In 8.1.6 runs fine. In 8.1.7 in a repeat loop I get object is not a container, and more importantly, variables that the handler just created are not visible in the debugger, as though the variables do not exist in memory. Something is horribly wrong with this build. Bob S From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com Tue Sep 5 19:24:52 2017 From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 23:24:52 +0000 Subject: Selections in Text Editor Revisited Message-ID: <943443F3-DBF9-4872-BEBE-903AABA692A5@iotecdigital.com> I think Jacque is right that when dragging bottom up the issue of not all the text between the drag points being selected manifests itself. Also, I've noticed somewhere along the way that the indifidual revNewScriptEditor windows do not maintain their own insertion/selection properties, and as a result, selecting something in one tab will cause the other tabs to "forget" their selection, and that may have something to do with it as well. Bob S From monte at appisle.net Tue Sep 5 21:28:32 2017 From: monte at appisle.net (Monte Goulding) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2017 11:28:32 +1000 Subject: Selections in Text Editor Revisited In-Reply-To: <943443F3-DBF9-4872-BEBE-903AABA692A5@iotecdigital.com> References: <943443F3-DBF9-4872-BEBE-903AABA692A5@iotecdigital.com> Message-ID: <8C90D89D-F82C-48B0-AC7B-DD57F632CC84@appisle.net> > On 6 Sep 2017, at 9:24 am, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote: > > I think Jacque is right that when dragging bottom up the issue of not all the text between the drag points being selected manifests itself. Also, I've noticed somewhere along the way that the indifidual revNewScriptEditor windows do not maintain their own insertion/selection properties, and as a result, selecting something in one tab will cause the other tabs to "forget" their selection, and that may have something to do with it as well. I found a fix for at least one incarnation of this issue. It will be in 8.2 dp 1. Cheers Monte From monte at appisle.net Tue Sep 5 21:31:20 2017 From: monte at appisle.net (Monte Goulding) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2017 11:31:20 +1000 Subject: Something is wrong with 8.1.7 RC1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2737106C-DF0D-4043-8082-5FC979790754@appisle.net> > On 6 Sep 2017, at 8:03 am, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote: > > Hi all. Just tried 8.1.7 RC1 for OS X. My code starts to fail right away. I have a simple handler called ArrangeMenus, which if not in development mode removes a couple menu buttons, then bumps the buttons over filling in the gaps. In 8.1.6 runs fine. In 8.1.7 in a repeat loop I get object is not a container, and more importantly, variables that the handler just created are not visible in the debugger, as though the variables do not exist in memory. > > Something is horribly wrong with this build. Bob what do you mean by `if not in development mode` here? Do you mean in a standalone? Or when you are using the pointer tool? Cheers Monte From jonathandlynch at gmail.com Tue Sep 5 22:17:31 2017 From: jonathandlynch at gmail.com (Jonathan Lynch) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 22:17:31 -0400 Subject: I just posted an Augmented Earth sample stack on LiveCode share Message-ID: Hello everyone, I just posted a sample version of my app on LC share, AKA rev online. It points to my dev server, so there are no problems with you guys posting test reports. Hopefully this will help you guys with 3D mapping experiments you may have. The sample stack pulls images from open street maps without a license. This is only appropriate for experimenting. For distributing apps, you will need to get a license with a map provider. If anyone has any questions about how to do any of the stuff demonstrated in the app, please feel free to ask them here. I posted it leading up to my presentation at LC Global on Sept. 21 on 3D Earth mapping. Peace, Jonathan -- Do all things with love From charles at techstrategies.com.au Wed Sep 6 00:29:35 2017 From: charles at techstrategies.com.au (Charles Warwick) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2017 14:29:35 +1000 Subject: TSNet error 6 In-Reply-To: References: <15e3e5111f0.285b.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com> <26B3A0DE-801D-4EDD-9E7B-5EF2CC707D7D@iotecdigital.com> <8359749e-fcf4-de8d-3b73-2fa0704c753a@hyperactivesw.com> <006401d32366$adac1a50$09044ef0$@net> <8b4a0936-9027-e294-6de8-de30c2632224@hyperactivesw.com> <001f01d323f1$e171f9f0$a455edd0$@net> Message-ID: <8692d1bd-cbbb-2617-fdc5-6f363ebb2433@techstrategies.com.au> Hi Jacque, Any of those error codes (6, 7 or 35) are reasonable if you are operating in an area with a really poor connection. When you are operating on a public wifi, it could have a lot to do with how the wifi is configured, as Bob mentioned below.? How these are configured can vary greatly. Depending on how far you want to go with testing, you could try see if your app can communicate with other sites when at these coffee shops.? Does it only have trouble with HTTPS sites, or just certain sites?? If you browse to a site first with Chrome, does your app then work afterwards?? Does it have trouble if you try connect via the IP address rather than the hostname? Cheers, Charles On 6/09/2017 6:37 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote: > Okay, so three of us have been running around for a couple of days > trying to find "bad" internet connections. Sometimes we walk to the > limits of our router until we barely get a connection, and we get curl > error 35. At some coffee shops with a solid connection we get error 6, > once error 7. Sometimes Slack works, sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes > we don't have any problems at all on public wifi. > > I think this is out of our control. > > On 9/5/17 11:08 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote: >> That is interesting. Coffe Shops/Public Wifi typically use a proxy >> server and that may be what is restricting your DNS resolution. And >> yeah it could definitely be a router issue as well. Sometimes I have >> to reboot the router at work. No rhyme or reason, it just stops >> passing traffic and I have to reset it. Wireless is black magic >> voodoo anyways. >> >> Bob S >> >> >>> On Sep 2, 2017, at 06:46 , Ralph DiMola via use-livecode >>> wrote: >>> >>> In today's episode, the user was in a coffee house using the free >>> wifi (it was one of my testers, there on purpose for testing). The >>> app could not resolve the host though the connection would have been >>> constant. >>> When he tests from his own home everything works, as it does for all >>> of us on the team. >>> >>> We're wondering if https has anything to do with it. He could >>> connect to anything with Chrome but both my app and Slack would not >>> work using https. Could that be a factor? >>> >>> We need to keep testing to see if https is really the cause, we're >>> not quite sure yet. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > > From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Wed Sep 6 02:24:27 2017 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2017 09:24:27 +0300 Subject: [ANN] Release 8.1.7 RC-1 In-Reply-To: References: <3d7f8c95-accb-7ced-842d-974123c37fa1@warrensweb.us> <4e8db8e3-791b-90db-3347-894ea6be2d89@fourthworld.com> <44aa9b2f-865b-d912-f038-87e4dc18149b@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2479a2e5-0b71-4f15-ed0a-9cdad8f33d16@gmail.com> Possibly several steps back might be better than total stagnation. As I have demonstrated by my article in "Hello World" I'm not always averse to backward steps if they serve some purpose. Richmond. On 9/5/17 10:18 pm, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode wrote: > Well, that would take us a step (or lots of steps!) back :) > > The dictionary in LC < 8 is totally different, it is a .livecode stack that > displays .xml files (e.g. the dictionary entries). > > In LC 8+ it uses a browser widget, and all the entries have been re-written > to .lcdoc files. This makes it more easily maintainable and extensible. > > BTW the bug I was referring to (in LC 8), which describes a workaround is > this one: > > http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16848 > > Workaround described in comment 81(!) and/or 96(!) > > On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 7:49 PM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode < > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > >> Here's a really dangerous, radical thought . . . >> >> as the Dictionary DOES WORK for LC 7.1.4 with Linux would it not be >> possible to >> port that for LC 9? >> >> Richmond. >> >> >> On 9/5/17 9:25 pm, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode wrote: >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> There are 2 different issues: >>> >>> 1. The dictionary on Linux (and the browser widget in general) does not >>> work **in some systems** in LC 8.x. This is not distro-specific, but >>> rather >>> locale-specific, and there is a workaround described in the bug report. >>> >>> 2. The dictionary on Linux (and the browser widget) does not work at all >>> in >>> LC 9.0 DP-7+. This is mentioned as a "known issue" in the release email. >>> We >>> have spent *a lot* of hours trying to fix this, but with no result. We >>> believe that the issue is caused by an incompatibility of the current >>> version of CEF we use (needed for the browser widget), and we think the >>> issue will be fixed when we update the version of CEF we use. >>> Unfortunately >>> this is not an easy task, so I do not expect it to be fixed in LC 9.0 >>> DP-9. >>> >>> best, >>> Panos >>> -- >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 7:07 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode < >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: >>> >>> Warren Samples wrote: >>>> On 09/05/2017 12:06 PM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote: >>>>>> The Linux version of LiveCode is STILL NOT loading a dictionary. >>>>>> >>>>>> [ I see that that problem has been "solved" in LC 9 dp 8 by simply >>>>>> inactivating the Dictionary button on Linux. ] >>>>>> >>>>> I have no problems with the dictionary in openSUSE (an unsupported >>>>> distro!) in any LC 8.x version including this one. In fact, I haven't >>>>> encountered this issue in any of the many different unsupported >>>>> distros I've tested. >>>>> >>>>> I do, however, suffer from the problem with the dictionary/browser in >>>>> the later versions of LC 9. Aren't these issues the result of at least >>>>> two distinct problems? >>>>> >>>> Thanks for the info, Warren. I see similar results here under Ubuntu >>>> 14.04 and 16.04: v8.1.7rc1 opens the Dictionary well, v.9dp8 doesn't. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Richard Gaskin >>>> Fourth World Systems >>>> Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web >>>> ____________________________________________________________________ >>>> Ambassador at FourthWorld.com http://www.FourthWorld.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> use-livecode mailing list >>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>>> subscription preferences: >>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Wed Sep 6 02:58:14 2017 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2017 01:58:14 -0500 Subject: TSNet error 6 In-Reply-To: <8692d1bd-cbbb-2617-fdc5-6f363ebb2433@techstrategies.com.au> References: <15e3e5111f0.285b.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com> <26B3A0DE-801D-4EDD-9E7B-5EF2CC707D7D@iotecdigital.com> <8359749e-fcf4-de8d-3b73-2fa0704c753a@hyperactivesw.com> <006401d32366$adac1a50$09044ef0$@net> <8b4a0936-9027-e294-6de8-de30c2632224@hyperactivesw.com> <001f01d323f1$e171f9f0$a455edd0$@net> <8692d1bd-cbbb-2617-fdc5-6f363ebb2433@techstrategies.com.au> Message-ID: <15e55fb6b70.285b.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com> I'll have to find out the answers and do a little more testing. I didn't have any trouble at all today at a coffee shop near me but one of the testers has found a very reliable bad network so I can ask him to try the things you've mentioned. We were joking today that we have good news - - everything fails really well now. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com On September 5, 2017 11:32:22 PM Charles Warwick via use-livecode wrote: > Hi Jacque, > > Any of those error codes (6, 7 or 35) are reasonable if you are > operating in an area with a really poor connection. > > When you are operating on a public wifi, it could have a lot to do with > how the wifi is configured, as Bob mentioned below.? How these are > configured can vary greatly. > > Depending on how far you want to go with testing, you could try see if > your app can communicate with other sites when at these coffee shops.? > Does it only have trouble with HTTPS sites, or just certain sites?? If > you browse to a site first with Chrome, does your app then work > afterwards?? Does it have trouble if you try connect via the IP address > rather than the hostname? > > Cheers, > > Charles > > > On 6/09/2017 6:37 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote: >> Okay, so three of us have been running around for a couple of days >> trying to find "bad" internet connections. Sometimes we walk to the >> limits of our router until we barely get a connection, and we get curl >> error 35. At some coffee shops with a solid connection we get error 6, >> once error 7. Sometimes Slack works, sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes >> we don't have any problems at all on public wifi. >> >> I think this is out of our control. >> >> On 9/5/17 11:08 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote: >>> That is interesting. Coffe Shops/Public Wifi typically use a proxy >>> server and that may be what is restricting your DNS resolution. And >>> yeah it could definitely be a router issue as well. Sometimes I have >>> to reboot the router at work. No rhyme or reason, it just stops >>> passing traffic and I have to reset it. Wireless is black magic >>> voodoo anyways. >>> >>> Bob S >>> >>> >>>> On Sep 2, 2017, at 06:46 , Ralph DiMola via use-livecode >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> In today's episode, the user was in a coffee house using the free >>>> wifi (it was one of my testers, there on purpose for testing). The >>>> app could not resolve the host though the connection would have been >>>> constant. >>>> When he tests from his own home everything works, as it does for all >>>> of us on the team. >>>> >>>> We're wondering if https has anything to do with it. He could >>>> connect to anything with Chrome but both my app and Slack would not >>>> work using https. Could that be a factor? >>>> >>>> We need to keep testing to see if https is really the cause, we're >>>> not quite sure yet. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From merakosp at gmail.com Wed Sep 6 05:28:48 2017 From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis merakos) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2017 10:28:48 +0100 Subject: Something is wrong with 8.1.7 RC1 In-Reply-To: <2737106C-DF0D-4043-8082-5FC979790754@appisle.net> References: <2737106C-DF0D-4043-8082-5FC979790754@appisle.net> Message-ID: Hi Bob, This sounds like a regression. Please do file a bug report (and don't forget to include a sample stack :) ) and we will fix it in 8.1.7 RC-2. Best, Panos -- On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 2:31 AM, Monte Goulding via use-livecode < use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > On 6 Sep 2017, at 8:03 am, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode < > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > > Hi all. Just tried 8.1.7 RC1 for OS X. My code starts to fail right > away. I have a simple handler called ArrangeMenus, which if not in > development mode removes a couple menu buttons, then bumps the buttons over > filling in the gaps. In 8.1.6 runs fine. In 8.1.7 in a repeat loop I get > object is not a container, and more importantly, variables that the handler > just created are not visible in the debugger, as though the variables do > not exist in memory. > > > > Something is horribly wrong with this build. > > Bob what do you mean by `if not in development mode` here? Do you mean in > a standalone? Or when you are using the pointer tool? > > Cheers > > Monte > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From klaus at major-k.de Wed Sep 6 07:38:33 2017 From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2017 13:38:33 +0200 Subject: datagrid in group with backgroundbehavior? Message-ID: Hi friends, the subject says it all, someone tried and succeeded to put a datagrid into a group and place this goup on more than one card? But since the fields in a datagrid (table) obviously have their "sharedtext" prop set to false, I doubt this is possible at all. Any hints welcome! But that would be a nice feature, right? :-) Best Klaus -- Klaus Major http://www.major-k.de klaus at major-k.de From runrev at learning-insights.eu Wed Sep 6 08:49:30 2017 From: runrev at learning-insights.eu (Robert Brenstein) Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2017 14:49:30 +0200 Subject: livecode changes image colors without being asked to do it In-Reply-To: References: <19E43B6E-378D-49E6-8665-BBF51D10BE24@learning-insights.eu> <8f16e9860f84b7a1c9dd757cd02482a0@livecode.com> <120bf3cbc6d93eaf2c7bcd4de386d360@livecode.com> <1AD2E747-75E6-4454-92FF-4BC9FDFBB000@learning-insights.eu> Message-ID: Thanks Sean. I finally had time to check your file and indeed it displays correctly in 8.1.6. It still displays wrong in 7.1.3, but it displays differently than the file without profile, so this must be the profile issue that was fixed in 8.1.3. In other words, my problem is with the way jpeg file were generated. It would be nice if LC handled such files like Preview does or at least returned a warning that profile is missing. Robert On 1 Sep 2017, at 2:34, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode wrote: > Hi Robert > > I have looked at this and it is reacting this way because a correct > CMYK colorspace profile has not been embedded into the jpeg file. > LiveCode, therefore, has no idea how to interpret the colors and > handles them in an almost raw state oversaturating them. Adding the > closest profile to its natural state helps, in this instance, US Web > Coated (SWOP) v2. > > I've attached another source jpg to test with which has this embedded > profile. > > http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=20316 > > > Sean Cole > *Pi Digital Productions Ltd* > > 'Don't try to think outside the box. Just remember the truth: There is > no > box!' > 'For then you realise it is not the box you are trying to look outside > of, > but it is yourself!' > > eMail Ts & Cs Pi Digital > Productions Ltd is a UK registered limited company, no. 5255609 > > On 1 September 2017 at 00:11, Robert Brenstein via use-livecode < > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > >> I just tested this in LC 8.1.6 and it shows the same problem as >> 7.1.3. I >> filed a bug report for the team to check into this, including the >> files. >> Bug 20316. >> >> Robert >> From dunbarx at aol.com Wed Sep 6 09:02:04 2017 From: dunbarx at aol.com (dunbarx) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2017 06:02:04 -0700 (MST) Subject: datagrid in group with backgroundbehavior? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1504702924662-0.post@n4.nabble.com> Klaus. Not sure what you mean. Is it that you want specific fields (or all of them) in a DG to have their sharedText property set to true? You can do this by hand: set the sharedText of fld "col 1 0001" to "true" Craig -- Sent from: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Revolution-User-f278306.html From dunbarx at aol.com Wed Sep 6 09:02:35 2017 From: dunbarx at aol.com (dunbarx) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2017 06:02:35 -0700 (MST) Subject: datagrid in group with backgroundbehavior? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1504702955601-0.post@n4.nabble.com> Klaus. Not sure what you mean. Is it that you want specific fields (or all of them) in a DG to have their sharedText property set to true? You can do this by hand: set the sharedText of fld "col 1 0001" to "true" Craig -- Sent from: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Revolution-User-f278306.html From klaus at major-k.de Wed Sep 6 10:28:57 2017 From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2017 16:28:57 +0200 Subject: datagrid in group with backgroundbehavior? In-Reply-To: <1504702955601-0.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1504702955601-0.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <0FDCB35D-B414-4BC1-9BA8-DD2AF16FF934@major-k.de> Hi Craig, > Am 06.09.2017 um 15:02 schrieb dunbarx via use-livecode : > > Klaus. > > Not sure what you mean. Is it that you want specific fields (or all of them) > in a DG to have their sharedText property set to true? no, I just wanted to display the SAME data in the same datagrid on more than one card. Just like every (background behavior) group would do. > You can do this by hand: > set the sharedText of fld "col 1 0001" to "true" Yes, but I can also forbear this! :-D > Craig Best Klaus -- Klaus Major http://www.major-k.de klaus at major-k.de From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com Wed Sep 6 10:33:27 2017 From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2017 14:33:27 +0000 Subject: TSNet error 6 In-Reply-To: <8692d1bd-cbbb-2617-fdc5-6f363ebb2433@techstrategies.com.au> References: <15e3e5111f0.285b.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com> <26B3A0DE-801D-4EDD-9E7B-5EF2CC707D7D@iotecdigital.com> <8359749e-fcf4-de8d-3b73-2fa0704c753a@hyperactivesw.com> <006401d32366$adac1a50$09044ef0$@net> <8b4a0936-9027-e294-6de8-de30c2632224@hyperactivesw.com> <001f01d323f1$e171f9f0$a455edd0$@net> <8692d1bd-cbbb-2617-fdc5-6f363ebb2433@techstrategies.com.au> Message-ID: <40952FE3-CBD7-42AE-A30E-263701FB524F@iotecdigital.com> You know, I remember this happened to me a while back. There was a junior Pastor who liked to sit at this one coffee shop nearby to do his sermons. Old laptop no problem. New laptop, he couldn't even CONNECT to their wifi. He could everywhere else, just not this ONE coffee shop. Bob S > On Sep 5, 2017, at 21:29 , Charles Warwick via use-livecode wrote: > > Hi Jacque, > > Any of those error codes (6, 7 or 35) are reasonable if you are operating in an area with a really poor connection. > > When you are operating on a public wifi, it could have a lot to do with how the wifi is configured, as Bob mentioned below. How these are configured can vary greatly. > > Depending on how far you want to go with testing, you could try see if your app can communicate with other sites when at these coffee shops. Does it only have trouble with HTTPS sites, or just certain sites? If you browse to a site first with Chrome, does your app then work afterwards? Does it have trouble if you try connect via the IP address rather than the hostname? > > Cheers, > > Charles From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com Wed Sep 6 10:35:02 2017 From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2017 14:35:02 +0000 Subject: Something is wrong with 8.1.7 RC1 In-Reply-To: <2737106C-DF0D-4043-8082-5FC979790754@appisle.net> References: <2737106C-DF0D-4043-8082-5FC979790754@appisle.net> Message-ID: <6A78050E-DFFC-492E-9CF7-01759A75D6A1@iotecdigital.com> Yes, so while I am working in the IDE, the menus appear, but if running in a standalone, the handler removes the custom development menus. Bob S > On Sep 5, 2017, at 18:31 , Monte Goulding via use-livecode wrote: > > Bob what do you mean by `if not in development mode` here? Do you mean in a standalone? Or when you are using the pointer tool? > > Cheers > > Monte From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com Wed Sep 6 10:36:24 2017 From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2017 14:36:24 +0000 Subject: Something is wrong with 8.1.7 RC1 In-Reply-To: <2737106C-DF0D-4043-8082-5FC979790754@appisle.net> References: <2737106C-DF0D-4043-8082-5FC979790754@appisle.net> Message-ID: I will try to put something together. Hopefully it will work in a simple stack. Mine is too big and comples to just send. I tried before and I exceed mail and file limits. Bob S > On Sep 5, 2017, at 18:31 , Monte Goulding via use-livecode wrote: > > >> On 6 Sep 2017, at 8:03 am, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote: >> >> Hi all. Just tried 8.1.7 RC1 for OS X. My code starts to fail right away. I have a simple handler called ArrangeMenus, which if not in development mode removes a couple menu buttons, then bumps the buttons over filling in the gaps. In 8.1.6 runs fine. In 8.1.7 in a repeat loop I get object is not a container, and more importantly, variables that the handler just created are not visible in the debugger, as though the variables do not exist in memory. >> >> Something is horribly wrong with this build. > > Bob what do you mean by `if not in development mode` here? Do you mean in a standalone? Or when you are using the pointer tool? > > Cheers > > Monte > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From ambassador at fourthworld.com Wed Sep 6 10:37:59 2017 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2017 07:37:59 -0700 Subject: datagrid in group with backgroundbehavior? In-Reply-To: <0FDCB35D-B414-4BC1-9BA8-DD2AF16FF934@major-k.de> References: <0FDCB35D-B414-4BC1-9BA8-DD2AF16FF934@major-k.de> Message-ID: Klaus major wrote: > I just wanted to display the SAME data in the same datagrid on > more than one card. > Just like every (background behavior) group would do. I you set the sharedText of the fields in the row template does the DG turn that off? -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Systems Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web ____________________________________________________________________ Ambassador at FourthWorld.com http://www.FourthWorld.com From klaus at major-k.de Wed Sep 6 11:16:37 2017 From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2017 17:16:37 +0200 Subject: datagrid in group with backgroundbehavior? In-Reply-To: References: <0FDCB35D-B414-4BC1-9BA8-DD2AF16FF934@major-k.de> Message-ID: Hi Richard, > Am 06.09.2017 um 16:37 schrieb Richard Gaskin via use-livecode : > > Klaus major wrote: > > > I just wanted to display the SAME data in the same datagrid on > > more than one card. > > Just like every (background behavior) group would do. > > I you set the sharedText of the fields in the row template does the DG turn that off? set the sharedtext of the field in the template to true, but no success. Empty fields and even header (column titles) on a new card. I am a afraid a datagrid is not meant to be in a shared bg group. Did not dive into the DG behavior script however, and actually do not feel to do so... > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World Systems > Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web > ____________________________________________________________________ > Ambassador at FourthWorld.com http://www.FourthWorld.com Best Klaus -- Klaus Major http://www.major-k.de klaus at major-k.de From ambassador at fourthworld.com Wed Sep 6 12:39:11 2017 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2017 09:39:11 -0700 Subject: datagrid in group with backgroundbehavior? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Did you also set the backgroundBehavior to true on both the row template group and the DG group? -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Systems Klaus Major wrote: > Hi Richard, > >> Am 06.09.2017 um 16:37 schrieb Richard Gaskin via use-livecode : >> >> Klaus major wrote: >> >> > I just wanted to display the SAME data in the same datagrid on >> > more than one card. >> > Just like every (background behavior) group would do. >> >> I you set the sharedText of the fields in the row template does the DG turn that off? > > set the sharedtext of the field in the template to true, but no success. > Empty fields and even header (column titles) on a new card. > > I am a afraid a datagrid is not meant to be in a shared bg group. > > Did not dive into the DG behavior script however, and actually do not feel to do so... From klaus at major-k.de Wed Sep 6 12:45:02 2017 From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2017 18:45:02 +0200 Subject: datagrid in group with backgroundbehavior? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Richard, > Am 06.09.2017 um 18:39 schrieb Richard Gaskin via use-livecode : > > Did you also set the backgroundBehavior to true on both the row template group and the DG group? yes and yes (via msg), but when I want to group the datagrid with one or two buttons I get: Message execution error: Error description: group: cannot group background or shared groups I was really hoping for a simple solution so I will stop experimenting right here! :-) > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World Systems > > Klaus Major wrote: > >> Hi Richard, >>> Am 06.09.2017 um 16:37 schrieb Richard Gaskin via use-livecode : >>> Klaus major wrote: >>> > I just wanted to display the SAME data in the same datagrid on >>> > more than one card. >>> > Just like every (background behavior) group would do. >>> I you set the sharedText of the fields in the row template does the DG turn that off? >> set the sharedtext of the field in the template to true, but no success. >> Empty fields and even header (column titles) on a new card. >> I am a afraid a datagrid is not meant to be in a shared bg group. >> Did not dive into the DG behavior script however, and actually do not feel to do so... Best Klaus -- Klaus Major http://www.major-k.de klaus at major-k.de From ambassador at fourthworld.com Wed Sep 6 13:57:31 2017 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2017 10:57:31 -0700 Subject: datagrid in group with backgroundbehavior? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5142d0e7-2660-6ce3-9b4a-92e20e2e310f@fourthworld.com> Klaus Major wrote: > Hi Richard, > >> Am 06.09.2017 um 18:39 schrieb Richard Gaskin via use-livecode : >> >> Did you also set the backgroundBehavior to true on both the row template group and the DG group? > > yes and yes (via msg), but when I want to group the datagrid with one or two buttons I get: > Message execution error: > Error description: group: cannot group background or shared groups That would appear to be a separate issue. Whether it's an IDE bug or an engine bug or a user error would depend on details. If I get some later today I may try to replicate that, and perhaps even try the shared DG grid, but no promises as it's a busy day here today. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Systems Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web ____________________________________________________________________ Ambassador at FourthWorld.com http://www.FourthWorld.com From ambassador at fourthworld.com Wed Sep 6 14:37:08 2017 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2017 11:37:08 -0700 Subject: getResource/getResources? Message-ID: I have a project where I need to extract data from the resource fork of older Mac files. Several LC versions ago getResource and getResources no longer worked. But I just checked the v8.1.7 Dictionary and they're not marked as deprecated. Anyone here use those on the latest OS X with a version of LC v8 or later? This is probably the last time I'll need to use those (who uses the res fork anymore?), but it'll help determine whether I upgrade one of my machines to a newer OS version. Thanks in advance for any recent hands-on experience with those functions you can share. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Systems Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web ____________________________________________________________________ Ambassador at FourthWorld.com http://www.FourthWorld.com From waprothero at gmail.com Wed Sep 6 15:15:53 2017 From: waprothero at gmail.com (William Prothero) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2017 12:15:53 -0700 Subject: I just posted an Augmented Earth sample stack on LiveCode share In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1E323982-CD81-4CBB-BB58-FA7083259C90@gmail.com> Thanks for posting this, Jonathon. I?ll definitely look at it. Right now my wife and I are packing up to return to Santa Barbara. We?re in the Columbia Gorge, where there is a wildfire raging about 20 miles away from us and the smoke is a real pain. Thanks a bunch for sharing. Bill > On Sep 5, 2017, at 7:17 PM, Jonathan Lynch via use-livecode wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > I just posted a sample version of my app on LC share, AKA rev online. > > It points to my dev server, so there are no problems with you guys posting > test reports. > > Hopefully this will help you guys with 3D mapping experiments you may have. > The sample stack pulls images from open street maps without a license. This > is only appropriate for experimenting. For distributing apps, you will need > to get a license with a map provider. > > If anyone has any questions about how to do any of the stuff demonstrated > in the app, please feel free to ask them here. > > I posted it leading up to my presentation at LC Global on Sept. 21 on 3D > Earth mapping. > > Peace, > > Jonathan > > -- > Do all things with love > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From tom at makeshyft.com Wed Sep 6 15:44:36 2017 From: tom at makeshyft.com (Tom Glod) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2017 15:44:36 -0400 Subject: datagrid in group with backgroundbehavior? In-Reply-To: <5142d0e7-2660-6ce3-9b4a-92e20e2e310f@fourthworld.com> References: <5142d0e7-2660-6ce3-9b4a-92e20e2e310f@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: just fyi..... i don't know if this is what u need, but you can easily apply the same datagrid template to more than one data grid object. which could achieve the same result as a shared group in most use cases. On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 1:57 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode < use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > Klaus Major wrote: > >> Hi Richard, >> >> Am 06.09.2017 um 18:39 schrieb Richard Gaskin via use-livecode >>> : >>> >>> Did you also set the backgroundBehavior to true on both the row template >>> group and the DG group? >>> >> >> yes and yes (via msg), but when I want to group the datagrid with one or >> two buttons I get: >> Message execution error: >> Error description: group: cannot group background or shared groups >> > > That would appear to be a separate issue. Whether it's an IDE bug or an > engine bug or a user error would depend on details. > > If I get some later today I may try to replicate that, and perhaps even > try the shared DG grid, but no promises as it's a busy day here today. > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World Systems > Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web > ____________________________________________________________________ > Ambassador at FourthWorld.com http://post.spmailt.com/f/a/ak_sp4rp-8h6ZyL2mFK9Ag~~/AAGp3AA~/RgRbkYPOP0EIACzYHIgFPDhXA3NwY1gEAAAAAFkGc2hhcmVkYQdoZWxsb18xYAszNS4xNjAuNC4xNUIKAABOULBZvkPKvVIddXNlLWxpdmVjb2RlQGxpc3RzLnJ1bnJldi5jb20JUQQAAAAARBpodHRwOi8vd3d3LkZvdXJ0aFdvcmxkLmNvbUcCe30~ > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://post.spmailt.com/f/a/IxEXIfDR7bY90eAqv4Ia6g~~/AAGp3AA~/RgRbkYPOP0EIACzYHIgFPDhXA3NwY1gEAAAAAFkGc2hhcmVkYQdoZWxsb18xYAszNS4xNjAuNC4xNUIKAABOULBZvkPKvVIddXNlLWxpdmVjb2RlQGxpc3RzLnJ1bnJldi5jb20JUQQAAAAARDVodHRwOi8vbGlzdHMucnVucmV2LmNvbS9tYWlsbWFuL2xpc3RpbmZvL3VzZS1saXZlY29kZUcCe30~ > From tom at makeshyft.com Wed Sep 6 16:12:37 2017 From: tom at makeshyft.com (Tom Glod) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2017 16:12:37 -0400 Subject: windows standalone seems double the file size in every version past 8.14 Message-ID: Yeah...I've been trying to test my stack with versions that are past 8.14 in hopes that certain glitches are getting resolved..... and they are. everything seems to be running fine...... BUT the standalone is twice the size. what could be causing that? ...i've seen it a bunch of times now. I once watched the folder when the standalone is built. and its your .livecode file ..... that gets copied then renamed to exe file ..... by what magic this all happens, I guess I will find out iby looking at the build standalone code. So I'm guessing something isn't getting erased. any thoughts? i guess is should bug report it too. From tom at makeshyft.com Wed Sep 6 16:31:01 2017 From: tom at makeshyft.com (Tom Glod) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2017 16:31:01 -0400 Subject: windows standalone seems double the file size in every version past 8.14 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://post.spmailt.com/f/a/xp5QWwMlcQSP9Swndh52_g~~/AAGp3AA~/RgRbkY6vP0EIACzYHIgHi1BXA3NwY1gEAAAAAFkGc2hhcmVkYQdoZWxsb18xYA4zNS4xNjAuMTgyLjE1NkIKAAAvW7BZvkMIqFIddXNlLWxpdmVjb2RlQGxpc3RzLnJ1bnJldi5jb20JUQQAAAAARDFodHRwOi8vcXVhbGl0eS5saXZlY29kZS5jb20vc2hvd19idWcuY2dpP2lkPTIwMzM5RwJ7fQ~~ On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 4:12 PM, Tom Glod wrote: > Yeah...I've been trying to test my stack with versions that are past 8.14 > in hopes that certain glitches are getting resolved..... and they are. > > everything seems to be running fine...... BUT the standalone is twice the > size. > > what could be causing that? ...i've seen it a bunch of times now. > > I once watched the folder when the standalone is built. and its your > .livecode file ..... that gets copied then renamed to exe file ..... by > what magic this all happens, I guess I will find out iby looking at the > build standalone code. > > So I'm guessing something isn't getting erased. > > any thoughts? i guess is should bug report it too. > From jonathandlynch at gmail.com Wed Sep 6 17:52:28 2017 From: jonathandlynch at gmail.com (jonathandlynch at gmail.com) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2017 17:52:28 -0400 Subject: I just posted an Augmented Earth sample stack on LiveCode share In-Reply-To: <1E323982-CD81-4CBB-BB58-FA7083259C90@gmail.com> References: <1E323982-CD81-4CBB-BB58-FA7083259C90@gmail.com> Message-ID: <15AC9766-10F1-4E86-94C7-0396F2C12E21@gmail.com> Thanks Bill, I look forward to your observations. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 6, 2017, at 3:15 PM, William Prothero via use-livecode wrote: > > Thanks for posting this, Jonathon. I?ll definitely look at it. Right now my wife and I are packing up to return to Santa Barbara. We?re in the Columbia Gorge, where there is a wildfire raging about 20 miles away from us and the smoke is a real pain. > > Thanks a bunch for sharing. > Bill > >> On Sep 5, 2017, at 7:17 PM, Jonathan Lynch via use-livecode wrote: >> >> Hello everyone, >> >> I just posted a sample version of my app on LC share, AKA rev online. >> >> It points to my dev server, so there are no problems with you guys posting >> test reports. >> >> Hopefully this will help you guys with 3D mapping experiments you may have. >> The sample stack pulls images from open street maps without a license. This >> is only appropriate for experimenting. For distributing apps, you will need >> to get a license with a map provider. >> >> If anyone has any questions about how to do any of the stuff demonstrated >> in the app, please feel free to ask them here. >> >> I posted it leading up to my presentation at LC Global on Sept. 21 on 3D >> Earth mapping. >> >> Peace, >> >> Jonathan >> >> -- >> Do all things with love >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From alex at tweedly.net Wed Sep 6 19:00:05 2017 From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2017 00:00:05 +0100 Subject: I just posted an Augmented Earth sample stack on LiveCode share In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7972cb35-dfaf-e71b-cbf5-75ce074324b0@tweedly.net> Thanks Jonathan, looks interesting - thank you for sharing it. I have some problems (MacOS 10.10, Mcbook Pro, LC 9.0DP8 Business) - will email them to you directly. But (perhaps) more generally interesting for the list - I then tried to download the iPad version, and ran into "This app is not compatible with your iPad" - for all 3 of the family's iPads, covering a good range of iPad models and IOS versions :-) A close look at the "compatibility" section on the App store makes me think that you require " ... + Cellular". Is there something in Augmented Earth that requires Cellular ? Or has that flag been set for some reason ? Thanks Alex. On 06/09/2017 03:17, Jonathan Lynch via use-livecode wrote: > Hello everyone, > > I just posted a sample version of my app on LC share, AKA rev online. > > It points to my dev server, so there are no problems with you guys posting > test reports. > > Hopefully this will help you guys with 3D mapping experiments you may have. > The sample stack pulls images from open street maps without a license. This > is only appropriate for experimenting. For distributing apps, you will need > to get a license with a map provider. > > If anyone has any questions about how to do any of the stuff demonstrated > in the app, please feel free to ask them here. > > I posted it leading up to my presentation at LC Global on Sept. 21 on 3D > Earth mapping. > > Peace, > > Jonathan > From monte at appisle.net Wed Sep 6 21:54:52 2017 From: monte at appisle.net (Monte Goulding) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2017 11:54:52 +1000 Subject: windows standalone seems double the file size in every version past 8.14 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > On 7 Sep 2017, at 6:12 am, Tom Glod via use-livecode wrote: > > everything seems to be running fine...... BUT the standalone is twice the > size. What platform? On mac if you build a universal app you will have standalones twice the size of a single architecture app. Cheers Monte From monte at appisle.net Wed Sep 6 22:44:42 2017 From: monte at appisle.net (Monte Goulding) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2017 12:44:42 +1000 Subject: windows standalone seems double the file size in every version past 8.14 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > On 7 Sep 2017, at 11:54 am, Monte Goulding via use-livecode wrote: > > What platform? On mac if you build a universal app you will have standalones twice the size of a single architecture app. Sorry Tom I guess I didn?t read the subject line very well :-( Cheers Monte From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Thu Sep 7 00:46:12 2017 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2017 23:46:12 -0500 Subject: remote debugging just stopped being available. In-Reply-To: References: <6783D4DF-17B3-41B2-8A35-CBF0CBB3E592@applicationinsight.com> <559254DD-58E8-4A0E-8071-FB5926A38557@appisle.net> <0F5D2351-7C45-4800-B1DA-55C2F40E072E@unimelb.edu.au> <4D026324-5A35-40F4-860E-BFB6EE84245A@appisle.net> <9393363F-4EB7-45A4-99BF-628DA7C3A16C@appisle.net> <61DE80E0-1D81-4F2D-9DE7-A46B9BFB06C9@appisle.net> <1BC3367C-B901-4FF8-A8CA-A8590AC4E793@unimelb.edu.au> <7FB4A08C-CB81-4679-B7FB-EAF869812813@unimelb.edu.au> <3DD1CF91-A480-48EE-A357-F25124587D10@appisle.net> Message-ID: Here's a new twist. I did not include the remote debugger in a standalone I'm building. When I did a test build with my phone cabled to the Mac, LC asked if I wanted to start a debugging session. Apparently it doesn't know the app didn't include the extension? At least it's asking me again. On 9/5/17 9:58 AM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode wrote: > You also have to make sure that both the phone and your machine use he same > internet connection -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From monte at appisle.net Thu Sep 7 00:47:30 2017 From: monte at appisle.net (Monte Goulding) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2017 14:47:30 +1000 Subject: remote debugging just stopped being available. In-Reply-To: References: <6783D4DF-17B3-41B2-8A35-CBF0CBB3E592@applicationinsight.com> <559254DD-58E8-4A0E-8071-FB5926A38557@appisle.net> <0F5D2351-7C45-4800-B1DA-55C2F40E072E@unimelb.edu.au> <4D026324-5A35-40F4-860E-BFB6EE84245A@appisle.net> <9393363F-4EB7-45A4-99BF-628DA7C3A16C@appisle.net> <61DE80E0-1D81-4F2D-9DE7-A46B9BFB06C9@appisle.net> <1BC3367C-B901-4FF8-A8CA-A8590AC4E793@unimelb.edu.au> <7FB4A08C-CB81-4679-B7FB-EAF869812813@unimelb.edu.au> <3DD1CF91-A480-48EE-A357-F25124587D10@appisle.net> Message-ID: > On 7 Sep 2017, at 2:46 pm, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote: > > Here's a new twist. I did not include the remote debugger in a standalone I'm building. When I did a test build with my phone cabled to the Mac, LC asked if I wanted to start a debugging session. Apparently it doesn't know the app didn't include the extension? > > At least it's asking me again. The Test button automatically adds the remote debugger. Cheers Monte From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Thu Sep 7 01:15:39 2017 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2017 00:15:39 -0500 Subject: remote debugging just stopped being available. In-Reply-To: References: <6783D4DF-17B3-41B2-8A35-CBF0CBB3E592@applicationinsight.com> <4D026324-5A35-40F4-860E-BFB6EE84245A@appisle.net> <9393363F-4EB7-45A4-99BF-628DA7C3A16C@appisle.net> <61DE80E0-1D81-4F2D-9DE7-A46B9BFB06C9@appisle.net> <1BC3367C-B901-4FF8-A8CA-A8590AC4E793@unimelb.edu.au> <7FB4A08C-CB81-4679-B7FB-EAF869812813@unimelb.edu.au> <3DD1CF91-A480-48EE-A357-F25124587D10@appisle.net> Message-ID: On 9/6/17 11:47 PM, Monte Goulding via use-livecode wrote: > >> On 7 Sep 2017, at 2:46 pm, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote: >> >> Here's a new twist. I did not include the remote debugger in a standalone I'm building. When I did a test build with my phone cabled to the Mac, LC asked if I wanted to start a debugging session. Apparently it doesn't know the app didn't include the extension? >> >> At least it's asking me again. > > The Test button automatically adds the remote debugger. Ah. Okay, that explains it. It doesn't put it into an apk you build on disk though, right? -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From monte at appisle.net Thu Sep 7 01:17:41 2017 From: monte at appisle.net (Monte Goulding) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2017 15:17:41 +1000 Subject: remote debugging just stopped being available. In-Reply-To: References: <6783D4DF-17B3-41B2-8A35-CBF0CBB3E592@applicationinsight.com> <4D026324-5A35-40F4-860E-BFB6EE84245A@appisle.net> <9393363F-4EB7-45A4-99BF-628DA7C3A16C@appisle.net> <61DE80E0-1D81-4F2D-9DE7-A46B9BFB06C9@appisle.net> <1BC3367C-B901-4FF8-A8CA-A8590AC4E793@unimelb.edu.au> <7FB4A08C-CB81-4679-B7FB-EAF869812813@unimelb.edu.au> <3DD1CF91-A480-48EE-A357-F25124587D10@appisle.net> Message-ID: <8675A7BB-0C50-4BDD-8328-602BEFA33CF8@appisle.net> > On 7 Sep 2017, at 3:15 pm, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote: > > Ah. Okay, that explains it. It doesn't put it into an apk you build on disk though, right? I?m not sure what you mean here as you always build on disk? Do you mean save as standalone menu? No you need to add it manually in the Inclusions pane if you want it there. Cheers Monte From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Thu Sep 7 01:28:42 2017 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2017 00:28:42 -0500 Subject: remote debugging just stopped being available. In-Reply-To: <8675A7BB-0C50-4BDD-8328-602BEFA33CF8@appisle.net> References: <6783D4DF-17B3-41B2-8A35-CBF0CBB3E592@applicationinsight.com> <9393363F-4EB7-45A4-99BF-628DA7C3A16C@appisle.net> <61DE80E0-1D81-4F2D-9DE7-A46B9BFB06C9@appisle.net> <1BC3367C-B901-4FF8-A8CA-A8590AC4E793@unimelb.edu.au> <7FB4A08C-CB81-4679-B7FB-EAF869812813@unimelb.edu.au> <3DD1CF91-A480-48EE-A357-F25124587D10@appisle.net> <8675A7BB-0C50-4BDD-8328-602BEFA33CF8@appisle.net> Message-ID: <54edfc9b-e7d7-1400-79e4-8b08219c9a08@hyperactivesw.com> On 9/7/17 12:17 AM, Monte Goulding via use-livecode wrote: > >> On 7 Sep 2017, at 3:15 pm, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote: >> >> Ah. Okay, that explains it. It doesn't put it into an apk you build on disk though, right? > > I?m not sure what you mean here as you always build on disk? Do you mean save as standalone menu? No you need to add it manually in the Inclusions pane if you want it there. Right, that's what I meant: saving a standalone without using the Test button, in order to create a file for distribution. Thanks. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From jonathandlynch at gmail.com Thu Sep 7 04:34:04 2017 From: jonathandlynch at gmail.com (jonathandlynch at gmail.com) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2017 04:34:04 -0400 Subject: I just posted an Augmented Earth sample stack on LiveCode share In-Reply-To: <7972cb35-dfaf-e71b-cbf5-75ce074324b0@tweedly.net> References: <7972cb35-dfaf-e71b-cbf5-75ce074324b0@tweedly.net> Message-ID: <2F37469C-905E-4E56-99BD-292F53726A8C@gmail.com> Hi Alex - thank you! It works a bit like Pok?mon Go in that a mobile user can use it to walk around and explore the world. It loads new map tiles as you move. It needs mobile access to the net to do that. I will explore options for mobile users for when they don't have net access, for the next release. I have never used LC9 - so I have not tested it that way. I will try it with LC9 and see what the problem is. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 6, 2017, at 7:00 PM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote: > > Thanks Jonathan, looks interesting - thank you for sharing it. > > I have some problems (MacOS 10.10, Mcbook Pro, LC 9.0DP8 Business) - will email them to you directly. > > But (perhaps) more generally interesting for the list - I then tried to download the iPad version, and ran into "This app is not compatible with your iPad" - for all 3 of the family's iPads, covering a good range of iPad models and IOS versions :-) > > A close look at the "compatibility" section on the App store makes me think that you require > > " ... + Cellular". > > Is there something in Augmented Earth that requires Cellular ? > > Or has that flag been set for some reason ? > > Thanks > > Alex. > > >> On 06/09/2017 03:17, Jonathan Lynch via use-livecode wrote: >> Hello everyone, >> >> I just posted a sample version of my app on LC share, AKA rev online. >> >> It points to my dev server, so there are no problems with you guys posting >> test reports. >> >> Hopefully this will help you guys with 3D mapping experiments you may have. >> The sample stack pulls images from open street maps without a license. This >> is only appropriate for experimenting. For distributing apps, you will need >> to get a license with a map provider. >> >> If anyone has any questions about how to do any of the stuff demonstrated >> in the app, please feel free to ask them here. >> >> I posted it leading up to my presentation at LC Global on Sept. 21 on 3D >> Earth mapping. >> >> Peace, >> >> Jonathan >> > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Thu Sep 7 05:22:03 2017 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2017 12:22:03 +0300 Subject: Vector graphics, again Message-ID: <2f517ebb-6cc0-c838-7237-bf5aacb10842@gmail.com> I have found that Livecode is really fantastic for generating families of images such as domino sets, which can be either imported from a group as images or exported as PNG images. However, rotating those images results in all the "unfortunateness" involved in rotating any image in Livecode that is not an SVG widget. Is there a way in which one can generate an image from a group and import it as a vector graphic and/or export it in a vector format, and/or make it into an SVG widget? Richmond. From klaus at major-k.de Thu Sep 7 06:35:03 2017 From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2017 12:35:03 +0200 Subject: replace and unicode? Message-ID: Hi firends, I am trying to replace "mm2" in a unicode text file with "mm(superscript2)" but obviously "replace" does not do what I want or I am missing something!? My effort so far: ... ## Read TXT file and make it LC compatible, this is doing fine: put url ("binfile:" & tFile) into tData put textdecode(tData,"UTF-8") into tDataComplete replace CRLF with CR in tDataComplete ## Superscript 2 in Unicode put numToCodepoint(0x00B2) into tSup ## But this line does nothing actually? replace "mm2 " with ("mm" & tSup & " ") in tDataComplete ... What am I missing or doing wrong? Any hints appreciated, thank you! Best Klaus -- Klaus Major http://www.major-k.de klaus at major-k.de From jonathandlynch at gmail.com Thu Sep 7 06:38:34 2017 From: jonathandlynch at gmail.com (jonathandlynch at gmail.com) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2017 06:38:34 -0400 Subject: Vector graphics, again In-Reply-To: <2f517ebb-6cc0-c838-7237-bf5aacb10842@gmail.com> References: <2f517ebb-6cc0-c838-7237-bf5aacb10842@gmail.com> Message-ID: <895079EB-02A7-4072-84C4-2833D677B63B@gmail.com> You could keep it as a vector graphic in a browser widget, rotate it in the browser, then export it from the browser widget as an image for LC to use. I know - it is an overkill solution, and it might be too slow if the dominoes are moving around quickly, but if not, it would work. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 7, 2017, at 5:22 AM, Richmond via use-livecode wrote: > > I have found that Livecode is really fantastic for generating families of images > such as domino sets, which can be either imported from a group as images > or exported as PNG images. > > However, rotating those images results in all the "unfortunateness" involved in > rotating any image in Livecode that is not an SVG widget. > > Is there a way in which one can generate an image from a group and import it as a vector graphic > and/or export it in a vector format, and/or make it into an SVG widget? > > Richmond. > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From mark at livecode.com Thu Sep 7 06:47:55 2017 From: mark at livecode.com (Mark Waddingham) Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2017 12:47:55 +0200 Subject: replace and =?UTF-8?Q?unicode=3F?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8faf0ba6adb0a9ba15d7811c74ba2584@livecode.com> On 2017-09-07 12:35, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote: > Hi firends, > > I am trying to replace "mm2" in a unicode text file with > "mm(superscript2)" > but obviously "replace" does not do what I want or I am missing > something!? > > My effort so far: > ... > ## Read TXT file and make it LC compatible, this is doing fine: > put url ("binfile:" & tFile) into tData > put textdecode(tData,"UTF-8") into tDataComplete > replace CRLF with CR in tDataComplete > > ## Superscript 2 in Unicode > put numToCodepoint(0x00B2) into tSup > > ## But this line does nothing actually? > replace "mm2 " with ("mm" & tSup & " ") in tDataComplete I tried: put "mm2 foo ?????? mm2 bar" into tText put numToCodepoint(0x00B2) into tSup replace "mm2 " with ("mm" & tSup & " ") in tText put tText Here in a variety of versions and it seems to work... What is the contents of tDataComplete in the case you can't get to work? Warmest Regards, Mark. -- Mark Waddingham ~ mark at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/ LiveCode: Everyone can create apps From klaus at major-k.de Thu Sep 7 06:55:59 2017 From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2017 12:55:59 +0200 Subject: replace and unicode? In-Reply-To: <8faf0ba6adb0a9ba15d7811c74ba2584@livecode.com> References: <8faf0ba6adb0a9ba15d7811c74ba2584@livecode.com> Message-ID: <6F101BCD-B3AD-4508-A868-848243CD42F4@major-k.de> Hi Mark, > Am 07.09.2017 um 12:47 schrieb Mark Waddingham via use-livecode : > > On 2017-09-07 12:35, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote: >> Hi firends, >> I am trying to replace "mm2" in a unicode text file with "mm(superscript2)" >> but obviously "replace" does not do what I want or I am missing something!? >> My effort so far: >> ... >> ## Read TXT file and make it LC compatible, this is doing fine: >> put url ("binfile:" & tFile) into tData >> put textdecode(tData,"UTF-8") into tDataComplete >> replace CRLF with CR in tDataComplete >> ## Superscript 2 in Unicode >> put numToCodepoint(0x00B2) into tSup >> ## But this line does nothing actually? >> replace "mm2 " with ("mm" & tSup & " ") in tDataComplete > > I tried: > > put "mm2 foo ?????? mm2 bar" into tText > put numToCodepoint(0x00B2) into tSup > replace "mm2 " with ("mm" & tSup & " ") in tText > put tText > > Here in a variety of versions and it seems to work... > > What is the contents of tDataComplete in the case you can't get to work? The line in question before "replace": 40mm2 100mm2 200mm2 The line in question after "replace": 40mm2 100mm2 200mm2 ??? Even this in a field with that line does not work? ... put numToCodepoint(0x00B2) into tSup replace "mm2 " with ("mm" & tSup & " ") in fld 1 ... ? Tried with LC 8.16 Stable on macOS 10.12.6. > Warmest Regards, > > Mark. Best Klaus -- Klaus Major http://www.major-k.de klaus at major-k.de From klaus at major-k.de Thu Sep 7 06:59:48 2017 From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2017 12:59:48 +0200 Subject: replace and unicode? In-Reply-To: <6F101BCD-B3AD-4508-A868-848243CD42F4@major-k.de> References: <8faf0ba6adb0a9ba15d7811c74ba2584@livecode.com> <6F101BCD-B3AD-4508-A868-848243CD42F4@major-k.de> Message-ID: <51CAE879-5B46-4345-8F62-BE31BD1D7DB5@major-k.de> Hi all, so embarrassing, there was no SPACE after the mm2, but a TAB! :-/ So I got it working, thank you for your help. > Am 07.09.2017 um 12:55 schrieb Klaus major-k via use-livecode : > ... >>> My effort so far: >>> ... >>> ## Read TXT file and make it LC compatible, this is doing fine: >>> put url ("binfile:" & tFile) into tData >>> put textdecode(tData,"UTF-8") into tDataComplete >>> replace CRLF with CR in tDataComplete >>> ## Superscript 2 in Unicode >>> put numToCodepoint(0x00B2) into tSup >>> ## But this line does nothing actually? >>> replace "mm2 " with ("mm" & tSup & " ") in tDataComplete >> >> I tried: >> >> put "mm2 foo ?????? mm2 bar" into tText >> put numToCodepoint(0x00B2) into tSup >> replace "mm2 " with ("mm" & tSup & " ") in tText >> put tText >> >> Here in a variety of versions and it seems to work... >> What is the contents of tDataComplete in the case you can't get to work? > > The line in question before "replace": > 40mm2 100mm2 200mm2 > The line in question after "replace": > 40mm2 100mm2 200mm2 > ??? > > Even this in a field with that line does not work? > ... > put numToCodepoint(0x00B2) into tSup > replace "mm2 " with ("mm" & tSup & " ") in fld 1 > ... Best Klaus -- Klaus Major http://www.major-k.de klaus at major-k.de From mark at livecode.com Thu Sep 7 07:01:44 2017 From: mark at livecode.com (Mark Waddingham) Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2017 13:01:44 +0200 Subject: replace and =?UTF-8?Q?unicode=3F?= In-Reply-To: <51CAE879-5B46-4345-8F62-BE31BD1D7DB5@major-k.de> References: <8faf0ba6adb0a9ba15d7811c74ba2584@livecode.com> <6F101BCD-B3AD-4508-A868-848243CD42F4@major-k.de> <51CAE879-5B46-4345-8F62-BE31BD1D7DB5@major-k.de> Message-ID: <7bd96fb7e938207cb6ae86fe61122bf8@livecode.com> On 2017-09-07 12:59, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote: > Hi all, > > so embarrassing, there was no SPACE after the mm2, but a TAB! :-/ > So I got it working, thank you for your help. That was going to be my next question - were the 'spaces' actually spaces :) Warmest Regards, Mark. -- Mark Waddingham ~ mark at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/ LiveCode: Everyone can create apps From klaus at major-k.de Thu Sep 7 07:03:33 2017 From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2017 13:03:33 +0200 Subject: replace and unicode? In-Reply-To: <7bd96fb7e938207cb6ae86fe61122bf8@livecode.com> References: <8faf0ba6adb0a9ba15d7811c74ba2584@livecode.com> <6F101BCD-B3AD-4508-A868-848243CD42F4@major-k.de> <51CAE879-5B46-4345-8F62-BE31BD1D7DB5@major-k.de> <7bd96fb7e938207cb6ae86fe61122bf8@livecode.com> Message-ID: <9AAC7E5E-70A5-44FA-95EC-92A2B765DC26@major-k.de> > Am 07.09.2017 um 13:01 schrieb Mark Waddingham via use-livecode : > > On 2017-09-07 12:59, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote: >> Hi all, >> so embarrassing, there was no SPACE after the mm2, but a TAB! :-/ >> So I got it working, thank you for your help. > > That was going to be my next question - were the 'spaces' actually spaces :) obviously they weren't! :-D Thank you! > Warmest Regards, > > Mark. > > -- > Mark Waddingham ~ mark at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/ > LiveCode: Everyone can create apps Best Klaus -- Klaus Major http://www.major-k.de klaus at major-k.de From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com Thu Sep 7 08:53:20 2017 From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2017 08:53:20 -0400 Subject: remote debugging just stopped being available. In-Reply-To: <54edfc9b-e7d7-1400-79e4-8b08219c9a08@hyperactivesw.com> References: <6783D4DF-17B3-41B2-8A35-CBF0CBB3E592@applicationinsight.com> <9393363F-4EB7-45A4-99BF-628DA7C3A16C@appisle.net> <61DE80E0-1D81-4F2D-9DE7-A46B9BFB06C9@appisle.net> <1BC3367C-B901-4FF8-A8CA-A8590AC4E793@unimelb.edu.au> <7FB4A08C-CB81-4679-B7FB-EAF869812813@unimelb.edu.au> <3DD1CF91-A480-48EE-A357-F25124587D10@appisle.net> <8675A7BB-0C50-4BDD-8328-602BEFA33CF8@appisle.net> <54edfc9b-e7d7-1400-79e4-8b08219c9a08@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: I wonder why it won't even start for me, now. On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 1:28 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode < use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > On 9/7/17 12:17 AM, Monte Goulding via use-livecode wrote: > >> >> On 7 Sep 2017, at 3:15 pm, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode < >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: >>> >>> Ah. Okay, that explains it. It doesn't put it into an apk you build on >>> disk though, right? >>> >> >> I?m not sure what you mean here as you always build on disk? Do you mean >> save as standalone menu? No you need to add it manually in the Inclusions >> pane if you want it there. >> > > Right, that's what I meant: saving a standalone without using the Test > button, in order to create a file for distribution. Thanks. > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, "This is good." From brian at milby7.com Thu Sep 7 13:38:57 2017 From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2017 12:38:57 -0500 Subject: I just posted an Augmented Earth sample stack on LiveCode share Message-ID: <476851a3-0854-4932-ba23-6e1ec228a14f@Brian-Milbys-iPhone-6s-Plus> With the possibility of tethering, it would be reasonable to see iPad users able to roam with the assistance of an iPhone or another device. So cellular isn't absolutely required as long as wifi is available. > > On Sep 7, 2017 at 3:34 AM, wrote: > > > > Hi Alex - thank you! It works a bit like Pok?mon Go in that a mobile user can use it to walk around and explore the world. It loads new map tiles as you move. It needs mobile access to the net to do that. I will explore options for mobile users for when they don't have net access, for the next release. I have never used LC9 - so I have not tested it that way. I will try it with LC9 and see what the problem is. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 6, 2017, at 7:00 PM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote: > > Thanks Jonathan, looks interesting - thank you for sharing it. > > I have some problems (MacOS 10.10, Mcbook Pro, LC 9.0DP8 Business) - will email them to you directly. > > But (perhaps) more generally interesting for the list - I then tried to download the iPad version, and ran into "This app is not compatible with your iPad" - for all 3 of the family's iPads, covering a good range of iPad models and IOS versions :-) > > A close look at the "compatibility" section on the App store makes me think that you require > > " ... + Cellular". > > Is there something in Augmented Earth that requires Cellular ? > > Or has that flag been set for some reason ? > > Thanks > > Alex. > > >> On 06/09/2017 03:17, Jonathan Lynch via use-livecode wrote: >> Hello everyone, >> >> I just posted a sample version of my app on LC share, AKA rev online. >> >> It points to my dev server, so there are no problems with you guys posting >> test reports. >> >> Hopefully this will help you guys with 3D mapping experiments you may have. >> The sample stack pulls images from open street maps without a license. This >> is only appropriate for experimenting. For distributing apps, you will need >> to get a license with a map provider. >> >> If anyone has any questions about how to do any of the stuff demonstrated >> in the app, please feel free to ask them here. >> >> I posted it leading up to my presentation at LC Global on Sept. 21 on 3D >> Earth mapping. >> >> Peace, >> >> Jonathan >> > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com Thu Sep 7 13:57:33 2017 From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2017 17:57:33 +0000 Subject: private command gotcha Message-ID: Here's a surprise! You cannot dispatch to a private command or function, EVEN THOUGH the private command or function is in the SAME SCRIPT! And since dispatch fails SILENTLY..... I *almost* introduced a but where my passwords no longer encrypted/decrypted in transit to my database! Bob S <--- begins to re-enable all the safeties on the torpedoes> From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net Thu Sep 7 14:06:45 2017 From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2017 14:06:45 -0400 Subject: Debug java on Mobile Browser In-Reply-To: <476851a3-0854-4932-ba23-6e1ec228a14f@Brian-Milbys-iPhone-6s-Plus> References: <476851a3-0854-4932-ba23-6e1ec228a14f@Brian-Milbys-iPhone-6s-Plus> Message-ID: <002d01d32804$11ccefe0$3566cfa0$@net> I have a web page that works in the IDE but fails on the device. When it fails in the IDE I can use Chrome's dev tools and quickly find out what's going wrong. On mobile there is no such option. Is there any way to find out what's going on with java in the mobile browser on both iOS and Android? Ralph DiMola IT Director Evergreen Information Services rdimola at evergreeninfo.net From ali.lloyd at livecode.com Thu Sep 7 15:32:21 2017 From: ali.lloyd at livecode.com (Ali Lloyd) Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2017 19:32:21 +0000 Subject: Debug java on Mobile Browser In-Reply-To: <002d01d32804$11ccefe0$3566cfa0$@net> References: <476851a3-0854-4932-ba23-6e1ec228a14f@Brian-Milbys-iPhone-6s-Plus> <002d01d32804$11ccefe0$3566cfa0$@net> Message-ID: You should be able to debug native web views on device/emulator on Android using Chrome and on device/simulator on iOS using Safari... admittedly I haven't tried this with a browser widget in LC, but I've done it recently on both in another context. On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 7:06 PM Ralph DiMola via use-livecode < use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > I have a web page that works in the IDE but fails on the device. When it > fails in the IDE I can use Chrome's dev tools and quickly find out what's > going wrong. On mobile there is no such option. Is there any way to find > out what's going on with java in the mobile browser on both iOS and Android? > > Ralph DiMola > IT Director > Evergreen Information Services > rdimola at evergreeninfo.net > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From monte at appisle.net Thu Sep 7 17:01:19 2017 From: monte at appisle.net (Monte Goulding) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2017 07:01:19 +1000 Subject: private command gotcha In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <609EA49F-7775-4633-B945-B48DD7703846@appisle.net> > On 8 Sep 2017, at 3:57 am, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote: > > Here's a surprise! You cannot dispatch to a private command or function, EVEN THOUGH the private command or function is in the SAME SCRIPT! Nor can you send in time? however why do you want to dispatch to the same script? Cheers Monte From revdev at pdslabs.net Thu Sep 7 17:19:46 2017 From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2017 14:19:46 -0700 Subject: private command gotcha In-Reply-To: <609EA49F-7775-4633-B945-B48DD7703846@appisle.net> References: <609EA49F-7775-4633-B945-B48DD7703846@appisle.net> Message-ID: <63e7a591-ea3b-6f44-34e0-a9e67d2ec583@pdslabs.net> On 9/7/17 2:01 PM, Monte Goulding via use-livecode wrote: >> On 8 Sep 2017, at 3:57 am, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote: >> >> Here's a surprise! You cannot dispatch to a private command or function, EVEN THOUGH the private command or function is in the SAME SCRIPT! > Nor can you send in time? however why do you want to dispatch to the same script? Hi Monte, You asked me a similar question on 11-Nov-2016 - here is the back-and-forth. Sometimes we have our reasons! :-) Phil Davis > Actually here's another situation where I've used 'dispatch' simply to > avoid a 'do'. But I could as easily use 'send' to get the job done: > > > function app_helperAppPath pAppName > ??? dispatch function ( "_helperAppPath_" & the platform ) to me with > pAppName > ??? return the result > end app_helperAppPath > > > function _helperAppPath_MacOS pAppName > ??? -- Mac-specific app path discovery code > end _helperAppPath_MacOS > > > function _helperAppPath_Win32 pAppName > ??? -- Windows-specific app path discovery code > end _helperAppPath_Win32 > > > Phil Davis > > > > On 11/8/16 5:27 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: >> On 9 Nov. 2016, at 12:23 pm, Phil Davis wrote: >> >> Use case: You use 'dispatch' as a coding style preference. >> >> (That's all I could come up with.) > > > Actually thinking on it I can imagine a use case but it fails if you > are wanting to dispatch a private handler: > > dispatch ?SomethingOverridableInABehaviorInstance? to me > > command SomethingOverridableInABehaviorInstance > ??? ? default implementation > end SomethingOverridableInABehaviorInstance > > Cheers > > Monte > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Phil Davis From revdev at pdslabs.net Thu Sep 7 17:21:16 2017 From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2017 14:21:16 -0700 Subject: private command gotcha In-Reply-To: <63e7a591-ea3b-6f44-34e0-a9e67d2ec583@pdslabs.net> References: <609EA49F-7775-4633-B945-B48DD7703846@appisle.net> <63e7a591-ea3b-6f44-34e0-a9e67d2ec583@pdslabs.net> Message-ID: <5152f29d-7057-126e-7059-718baef57422@pdslabs.net> Make that 8-Nov-2016. Phil On 9/7/17 2:19 PM, Phil Davis wrote: > You asked me a similar question on 11-Nov-2016 - here is the > back-and-forth. Sometimes we have our reasons! :-) -- Phil Davis From hh at hyperhh.de Thu Sep 7 17:25:35 2017 From: hh at hyperhh.de (hh) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2017 23:25:35 +0200 Subject: Vector graphics, again Message-ID: <4A9102BD-70DB-4291-BF79-B5A22536C7B6@hyperhh.de> Jonathan, Richmond wants to convert his bitmaps to SVG, because he has no SVG version. From monte at appisle.net Thu Sep 7 18:06:54 2017 From: monte at appisle.net (Monte Goulding) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2017 08:06:54 +1000 Subject: private command gotcha In-Reply-To: <63e7a591-ea3b-6f44-34e0-a9e67d2ec583@pdslabs.net> References: <609EA49F-7775-4633-B945-B48DD7703846@appisle.net> <63e7a591-ea3b-6f44-34e0-a9e67d2ec583@pdslabs.net> Message-ID: <4BBDDA86-E7C2-4372-A1B1-A3656FFD059B@appisle.net> > On 8 Sep 2017, at 7:19 am, Phil Davis via use-livecode wrote: > > You asked me a similar question on 11-Nov-2016 - here is the back-and-forth. Sometimes we have our reasons! :-) Ha? OK back in my box then ;-) FWIW I would dearly love send in time to remember the caller and if the target is the caller then allow private handlers. I often have to write long complicated handler names for things simply because they will be in the message path and I want to avoid their conflict with other handlers? It?s a little hairy a proposition when it comes to behaviors as I?m not really sure what happens if you send to `this me`? you probably don?t get the script locals related to `me`? would need some testing I guess. Cheers Monte From jonathandlynch at gmail.com Thu Sep 7 18:34:01 2017 From: jonathandlynch at gmail.com (jonathandlynch at gmail.com) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2017 18:34:01 -0400 Subject: Vector graphics, again In-Reply-To: <4A9102BD-70DB-4291-BF79-B5A22536C7B6@hyperhh.de> References: <4A9102BD-70DB-4291-BF79-B5A22536C7B6@hyperhh.de> Message-ID: <5477B2F5-55CC-43D7-AC05-384EC93672F8@gmail.com> I was just suggesting an alternative solution. Raster to vector conversions are clunky, but there are a few online services that do this. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 7, 2017, at 5:25 PM, hh via use-livecode wrote: > > Jonathan, > Richmond wants to convert his bitmaps to SVG, > because he has no SVG version. > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From revdev at pdslabs.net Thu Sep 7 18:49:31 2017 From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2017 15:49:31 -0700 Subject: private command gotcha In-Reply-To: <4BBDDA86-E7C2-4372-A1B1-A3656FFD059B@appisle.net> References: <609EA49F-7775-4633-B945-B48DD7703846@appisle.net> <63e7a591-ea3b-6f44-34e0-a9e67d2ec583@pdslabs.net> <4BBDDA86-E7C2-4372-A1B1-A3656FFD059B@appisle.net> Message-ID: <522cabba-d32c-30cc-7154-d42b86f2bebe@pdslabs.net> Clearly the complexity you're painfully aware of is nicely hidden from me by LC script, where I tend to think all things are most likely possible. It's good for bubble-dwellers like myself to occasionally be pulled back into reality. I guess. ;-) Thanks - Phil On 9/7/17 3:06 PM, Monte Goulding via use-livecode wrote: >> On 8 Sep 2017, at 7:19 am, Phil Davis via use-livecode wrote: >> >> You asked me a similar question on 11-Nov-2016 - here is the back-and-forth. Sometimes we have our reasons! :-) > Ha? OK back in my box then ;-) > > FWIW I would dearly love send in time to remember the caller and if the target is the caller then allow private handlers. I often have to write long complicated handler names for things simply because they will be in the message path and I want to avoid their conflict with other handlers? It?s a little hairy a proposition when it comes to behaviors as I?m not really sure what happens if you send to `this me`? you probably don?t get the script locals related to `me`? would need some testing I guess. > > Cheers > > Monte > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Phil Davis From monte at appisle.net Thu Sep 7 19:04:10 2017 From: monte at appisle.net (Monte Goulding) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2017 09:04:10 +1000 Subject: private command gotcha In-Reply-To: <522cabba-d32c-30cc-7154-d42b86f2bebe@pdslabs.net> References: <609EA49F-7775-4633-B945-B48DD7703846@appisle.net> <63e7a591-ea3b-6f44-34e0-a9e67d2ec583@pdslabs.net> <4BBDDA86-E7C2-4372-A1B1-A3656FFD059B@appisle.net> <522cabba-d32c-30cc-7154-d42b86f2bebe@pdslabs.net> Message-ID: > On 8 Sep 2017, at 8:49 am, Phil Davis via use-livecode wrote: > > Clearly the complexity you're painfully aware of is nicely hidden from me by LC script, where I tend to think all things are most likely possible. It's good for bubble-dwellers like myself to occasionally be pulled back into reality. I guess. ;-) Ah? ok so I probably need to explain this a bit better. When you set a behavior you don?t just include the behavior object in the message path. There is something more like an instance of the behavior object script attached to the object and this has its own set of script locals so that if the behavior is used multiple times the locals aren?t all mixed up by other users of the behavior. As a result if we wanted private handlers to be supported in the callers script in send and dispatch and we wanted that to also work in behaviors then we would need something interesting? perhaps we could deal with it by allowing dispatch to me from a behavior to flag that it was sent from a particular behavior use so that?s the script that would allow private handlers? anyway? Mark would know what to do ;-) Cheers Monte From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net Thu Sep 7 19:06:45 2017 From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2017 19:06:45 -0400 Subject: Debug java on Mobile Browser In-Reply-To: References: <476851a3-0854-4932-ba23-6e1ec228a14f@Brian-Milbys-iPhone-6s-Plus> <002d01d32804$11ccefe0$3566cfa0$@net> Message-ID: <006a01d3282d$fb214fa0$f163eee0$@net> Ali, Using Chrome/Android Although the device shows in dev tools and I have an LC app using the mobile browser open on the device I don't see the URL of the page like you do if you open Chrome on the device. Using Chrome on the device remote debugging works great. The dev tools does not see the instance of browser in LC. I am using the LC mobile browser. Should I be using the LC browser widget instead? Am I relegated to doing alerts all over the place? This was bad enough for LC(answers) before remote debugging. To debug java that works on desktop and IDE but fails in LC mobile doing alerts is a nightmare. Thanks for any insight... Ralph DiMola IT Director Evergreen Information Services rdimola at evergreeninfo.net -----Original Message----- From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Ali Lloyd via use-livecode Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2017 3:32 PM To: How to use LiveCode Cc: Ali Lloyd Subject: Re: Debug java on Mobile Browser You should be able to debug native web views on device/emulator on Android using Chrome and on device/simulator on iOS using Safari... admittedly I haven't tried this with a browser widget in LC, but I've done it recently on both in another context. On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 7:06 PM Ralph DiMola via use-livecode < use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > I have a web page that works in the IDE but fails on the device. When > it fails in the IDE I can use Chrome's dev tools and quickly find out > what's going wrong. On mobile there is no such option. Is there any > way to find out what's going on with java in the mobile browser on both iOS and Android? > > Ralph DiMola > IT Director > Evergreen Information Services > rdimola at evergreeninfo.net > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Fri Sep 8 05:55:42 2017 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2017 12:55:42 +0300 Subject: Vector graphics, again In-Reply-To: <4A9102BD-70DB-4291-BF79-B5A22536C7B6@hyperhh.de> References: <4A9102BD-70DB-4291-BF79-B5A22536C7B6@hyperhh.de> Message-ID: <165374e5-4821-8ef2-ffbf-b9adc9585adb@gmail.com> Not really . . . . What Richmond wants to do is as follows: Generate vector graphics from groups of images and/or fields in Livecode in such a way thst they can be handled exactly in the same way as the SVG widget (which Richmond is in love with). R. On 08/09/17 00:25, hh via use-livecode wrote: > Jonathan, > Richmond wants to convert his bitmaps to SVG, > because he has no SVG version. > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From jonathandlynch at gmail.com Fri Sep 8 09:38:51 2017 From: jonathandlynch at gmail.com (jonathandlynch at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2017 09:38:51 -0400 Subject: Vector graphics, again In-Reply-To: <165374e5-4821-8ef2-ffbf-b9adc9585adb@gmail.com> References: <4A9102BD-70DB-4291-BF79-B5A22536C7B6@hyperhh.de> <165374e5-4821-8ef2-ffbf-b9adc9585adb@gmail.com> Message-ID: <58FD4930-BC59-4092-8EA6-FD0FF33E7663@gmail.com> I looked into this a few years ago for a project - just converting images into SVG. It is a very difficult problem to do in LC, because the application has to trace out lines and convert them to vectors. This is not too bad for very simple black and white images. When the images involve complex shapes and lots of colors, the resulting SVG files can be very large, with many many paths. So, you could take a snapshot of a group to get an image file, then submit the image file to one of the online raster-to-vector converters. The resulting SVG may or may not be adequate, and may or may not work well in LC, but seems worth trying. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 8, 2017, at 5:55 AM, Richmond via use-livecode wrote: > > Not really . . . . > > What Richmond wants to do is as follows: > > Generate vector graphics from groups of images and/or fields in Livecode in such > a way thst they can be handled exactly in the same way as the SVG widget (which > Richmond is in love with). > > R. > >> On 08/09/17 00:25, hh via use-livecode wrote: >> Jonathan, >> Richmond wants to convert his bitmaps to SVG, >> because he has no SVG version. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com Fri Sep 8 11:04:42 2017 From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2017 15:04:42 +0000 Subject: private command gotcha In-Reply-To: <609EA49F-7775-4633-B945-B48DD7703846@appisle.net> References: <609EA49F-7775-4633-B945-B48DD7703846@appisle.net> Message-ID: <99EF00FD-08B9-4E64-A7D3-E18408DCDB67@iotecdigital.com> Looks like others have answered your question in my stead. :-) I will give you a good use case. I have a series of buttons on various cards/substacks that all do almost the exact same thing: Query for data, populate the card, create delete edit data, etc. This makes them prime candidates for behaviors, especially now that I have 15 different "forms" that use them. I say *almost* the exact same things because certain cards, like the site card for instance need to do a little more. I save the SMTP configuration data for a particular site including the password which I encrypt in transit and in storage. I call it customFormStuff. So a behavior could be written to "dispatch customFormStuff to me" and if there was no handler it would silently fail while the LC engine and the rest of the world went on in blissful ignorance. Now I could write the behavior to be form specific and check the name of the card and act accordingly, but that makes the behavior non-portable/non-scalable. Bob S > On Sep 7, 2017, at 14:01 , Monte Goulding via use-livecode wrote: > > >> On 8 Sep 2017, at 3:57 am, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote: >> >> Here's a surprise! You cannot dispatch to a private command or function, EVEN THOUGH the private command or function is in the SAME SCRIPT! > > Nor can you send in time? however why do you want to dispatch to the same script? > > Cheers > > Monte > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com Fri Sep 8 11:24:48 2017 From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2017 15:24:48 +0000 Subject: private command gotcha In-Reply-To: <99EF00FD-08B9-4E64-A7D3-E18408DCDB67@iotecdigital.com> References: <609EA49F-7775-4633-B945-B48DD7703846@appisle.net> <99EF00FD-08B9-4E64-A7D3-E18408DCDB67@iotecdigital.com> Message-ID: > On Sep 8, 2017, at 08:04 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote: > > Looks like others have answered your question in my stead. :-) I will give you a good use case. I will add this too. It would be great if a behavior had access to the local script's constants as well. This is how I make the scripts generic and universal in scope. I have the header of the script look something like this: constant cTableName = "service" constant cDGName = "dgService" constant cPriKey = "serviceid" constant cFocusField = "fldServiceDate" constant cAltTable1 = "customers" constant cAltKey1 = "custid" constant cAltTable2 = "sites" constant cAltKey2 = "siteid" If a behavior had access to these then a statement like the following would work: put aAlt1Record [cAltKey1] into tPriKeyValue1 put "SELECT * FROM " & cTableName into tQuery if tPriKeyValue1 is not empty then put "WHERE " & cAltKey1 & " = " & tPriKeyValue1 after tQuery etc. From curt at sonasoftware.com Fri Sep 8 11:53:26 2017 From: curt at sonasoftware.com (Curtis Ford) Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2017 11:53:26 -0400 Subject: script/engine broken when moved to 64bit server at JaguarPC Message-ID: <59B2BCF6.9040209@sonasoftware.com> For several years I've had a system on JaguarPC involving a simple script that calls Livecode server, with script and server engine in the cgi-bin folder. Last weekend we were moved to 'sagitarius,' a 64bit server, and our system has broken. I tried uploading the 64bit version (from LiveCodeServer-8_1_6-Linux-x86_64.zip) and setting permissions to 755, but without success. JaguarPC isn't familiar with Livecode and hasn't been able to suggest anything; the older, 32bit server we were on, peach, has been retired and we can't go back to it. Any ideas of what to try? Our system hasn't needed any of the drivers or externals that come with the livecode-server file. Thanks! Curt -- Sent from Postbox From mark at livecode.com Fri Sep 8 12:15:26 2017 From: mark at livecode.com (Mark Waddingham) Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2017 18:15:26 +0200 Subject: script/engine broken when moved to 64bit server at JaguarPC In-Reply-To: <59B2BCF6.9040209@sonasoftware.com> References: <59B2BCF6.9040209@sonasoftware.com> Message-ID: Hi Curt, On 2017-09-08 17:53, Curtis Ford via use-livecode wrote: > I tried uploading the 64bit version (from > LiveCodeServer-8_1_6-Linux-x86_64.zip) and setting permissions to 755, > but without success. JaguarPC isn't familiar with Livecode and hasn't > been able to suggest anything; the older, 32bit server we were on, > peach, has been retired and we can't go back to it. Do you get any error information? Or is it just an Internal Server Error 500 page you get when you try and access it via a CGI? It could be that the JaguarPC installation doesn't have all the dependencies needed by the server engine. You can find out if this is the problem if you have SSH access by doing: ldd This should tell you whether the dependencies on the system are compatible with the LiveCode Server engine - 'ldd' checks that the system has all the dynamic libraries installed which an executable implicitly requires to run. If all of them seem to be in order, then you can try running the engine from the command-line - if it runs from the command-line, then that suggests it is something to do with the setup of the web-server / CGI rather than the engine. Warmest Regards, Mark. -- Mark Waddingham ~ mark at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/ LiveCode: Everyone can create apps From curt at sonasoftware.com Fri Sep 8 12:30:29 2017 From: curt at sonasoftware.com (Curtis Ford) Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2017 12:30:29 -0400 Subject: script/engine broken when moved to 64bit server at JaguarPC Message-ID: <59B2C5A5.1040505@sonasoftware.com> It's the 500 internal server error. I'm pretty - er, very new to troubleshooting on a server. I don't have SSH access. Is there a way to get a list of the dependencies of the 32bit and 64bit engines that I could forward to JaguarPC? I know someone else has the 32bit engine working on JaguarPC, though it may be on a different server. How would I run the engine from the command line? Thanks! Curt -- Sent from Postbox From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Fri Sep 8 13:03:19 2017 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2017 12:03:19 -0500 Subject: script/engine broken when moved to 64bit server at JaguarPC In-Reply-To: <59B2C5A5.1040505@sonasoftware.com> References: <59B2C5A5.1040505@sonasoftware.com> Message-ID: <15e62721bd8.285b.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com> The other person is me. I had a terrible time after Jaguarpc moved me to a 64 bit machine, but using the old 3.5 engine and changing the extension from ".mt" to ". cgi" made it work again. I do remember Richard trying to get it to work and finding something wrong but I can't recall the bug report. Maybe he remembers. Once I got it to work I didn't investigate farther. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com On September 8, 2017 11:32:27 AM Curtis Ford via use-livecode wrote: > It's the 500 internal server error. > > I'm pretty - er, very new to troubleshooting on a server. I don't have > SSH access. Is there a way to get a list of the dependencies of the > 32bit and 64bit engines that I could forward to JaguarPC? I know someone > else has the 32bit engine working on JaguarPC, though it may be on a > different server. > > How would I run the engine from the command line? > > Thanks! > > Curt > -- > Sent from Postbox > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From ambassador at fourthworld.com Fri Sep 8 14:36:42 2017 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2017 11:36:42 -0700 Subject: script/engine broken when moved to 64bit server at JaguarPC In-Reply-To: <59B2C5A5.1040505@sonasoftware.com> References: <59B2C5A5.1040505@sonasoftware.com> Message-ID: Curtis Ford wrote: > It's the 500 internal server error. > > I'm pretty - er, very new to troubleshooting on a server. I don't have > SSH access. Shared hosting without SSH is useful in a few cases where you're only using stock packages (Wordpress, Django, etc.) without any customization. For any custom CGI use SSH is IMO a requirement. There's so much you can do with it, and so little without it. With SSH it's like being at the computer. Without it, it's like trying to build a ship in a bottle where you can't even remove the cork. ;) I believe JaguarPC offers SSH on their shared hosting. It may only take a request to their Support team to activate it. Once you have the ability to shell into the account it's almost as nice as having a VPS but without the admin responsibility. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Systems Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web ____________________________________________________________________ Ambassador at FourthWorld.com http://www.FourthWorld.com From curt at sonasoftware.com Fri Sep 8 17:14:51 2017 From: curt at sonasoftware.com (Curtis Ford) Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2017 17:14:51 -0400 Subject: script/engine broken when moved to 64bit server at JaguarPC Message-ID: <59B3084B.1010305@sonasoftware.com> JaguarPC hasn't answered the question about dependencies directly, though they did pass on this: /lib/ld-linux.so.2: bad ELF interpreter: No such file or directory ..which suggests a dependency issue, I guess? But they've also said > Correct, the initial error was due to using a 32bit compiled static > binary. The second issue is it's looking for a config file that isn't > there. You would need to upload a working config file. Does this make > better sense? We've never had to deal with a config file before. Is this necessary for using the 64bit server? -- Sent from Postbox From capellan2000 at gmail.com Fri Sep 8 19:50:31 2017 From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2017 19:50:31 -0400 Subject: Vector graphics, again Message-ID: Hi Richmond, Download this really old stack: http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/alejandro/stacks/exportVector_v03.zip Open the stack exportVector_v03, erase all vector graphics and paste your vector graphics. Then, select from SVG, PDF or Adobe Ilustrator and click: Export Post in Google Drive or Dropbox your results or paste them in the forum. Could this handler still be useful after so many years? Al From brahma at hindu.org Fri Sep 8 21:46:36 2017 From: brahma at hindu.org (Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami) Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2017 01:46:36 +0000 Subject: What Android device detail do you find useful and why? Message-ID: <612F2891-F311-4264-A8AF-FEE33056D55C@hindu.org> Assuming we send data back to the mothership for analytic, then: If we want to know all about the device running our app. I asked myself: how much and how far can we go? -- the platform # gets us the bare minimum, OS -- the screenrect # that's useful especially for the myriad of Androids # could extrapolate Phone vs Tablet from the screen rect What else can we query? So went off to dictionary in 8.1.7 entered "mobile" came blank (new bug?), switched to tinyDictionary and discovered this for android MobileBuildInfo for Android (see below) Is anyone tracking this stuff? If so, what, from your analytics experience is most useful? And why? And: is there no way to get this for iOS? (can't find anything similar in the dictionary that would tell us "iPhone 7, 5, 6+, iPad Mini" OS android Platforms mobile Parameters Name: propertyName Name: propertyInfo Type: enum Description: #BR this description appears to need some help? The name of the property to be retrieved. any. converntion) of native code. convention) of nativecode. or /proc). Android was built on. "unsigned,debug". ' Android. * "BOARD": The name of the underlying board, like "goldfish" * "BOOTLOADER": The system bootloader version number. * "BRAND": The brand (e.g. carrier) the software is customized for, if * "CPU_ABI": The name of the instruction set (CPU type + ABI * "CPU_ABI2": The name of the second instruction set (CPU type + ABI * "DEVICE": The name of the industrial design. * "DISPLAY": A build ID string meant for displaying to the user. * "FINGERPRINT": A string that uniquely identifies this build. * "HARDWARE": The name of the hardware (from the kernel command line * "HOST": The host name of the device that the current version of * "ID": Either a change list number, or a label like "M4-rc20". * "MANUFACTURER": The manufacturer of the product/hardware. * "MODEL": The end-user-visible name for the end product. * "PRODUCT": The name of the overall product. * "RADIO": The radio firmware version number. * "SERIAL": A hardware serial number, if available. * "TAGS": Comma-separated tags describing the build, like * "TIME": The time, in seconds since the start of the eon. * "TYPE": The type of build, like "user" or "eng". * "USER": The user name of the user who built the current version of From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sat Sep 9 10:34:04 2017 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2017 17:34:04 +0300 Subject: Vector graphics, again In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44c3265c-6064-0f41-b3d5-4c9047c126f6@gmail.com> http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=29737 a picture is worth a thousand words. Richmond. From capellan2000 at gmail.com Sat Sep 9 16:52:49 2017 From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada) Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2017 16:52:49 -0400 Subject: Vector graphics, again Message-ID: Hi Richmond, I posted 2 files (1-SVG file 2-LiveCode v8 stack) and code in the forum: http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=29737&p=158014#p158014 Just create a new MultiColor SVG widget and paste this: If you notice a few glitches, like cropped borders, please contact the creators of MultiColor SVG widget or edit the original svg file and make smaller all shapes. Have a nice weekend! Al From montero.je at gmail.com Sat Sep 9 17:06:53 2017 From: montero.je at gmail.com (Jose Enrique Montero) Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2017 17:06:53 -0400 Subject: Apps monetizing Message-ID: Hi experts, do you know if LIVECODE solved some way to monetize the app, using ads? best regards JE.Montero From capellan2000 at gmail.com Sat Sep 9 18:12:18 2017 From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada) Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2017 18:12:18 -0400 Subject: Vector graphics, again Message-ID: This second version works better because includes a transparent background rectangle that effectively corrects the border cropping problem from first version: On Sat, Sep 9, 2017 at 4:52 PM, Alejandro Tejada wrote: > Hi Richmond, > > I posted 2 files (1-SVG file 2-LiveCode v8 stack) and > code in the forum: > > http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=29737&p=158014#p158014 > > [SNIP] > > If you notice a few glitches, like cropped borders, please contact the > creators of MultiColor SVG widget or edit the original svg file and make > smaller all shapes. > > Have a nice weekend! > > Al > From ahsoftware at sonic.net Sat Sep 9 23:10:09 2017 From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2017 20:10:09 -0700 Subject: Bu**ered by Bug reporter In-Reply-To: <758fe9ec-8f04-94b5-b62a-26be82343f14@gmail.com> References: <324c93e0-bf84-2a78-ebf1-a0a055c71e52@gmail.com> <758fe9ec-8f04-94b5-b62a-26be82343f14@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7eb95b5d-f3a6-c665-638d-bdf41d2f63bf@sonic.net> On 09/05/2017 10:33 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote: > Just found that clicking the button 'Dictionary' on the revMenuBar stack > in LC 9 dp 8 on Xubuntu 16.04 LTS > freezes the whole IDE, and the only way to sort this out is by sending a > KILL signal to Livecode; far from satisfactory > > (quite apart from the NON dictionary). > > Bug 20334 See also Bugs 19658, 19895, 19963. -- Mark Wieder ahsoftware at gmail.com From ahsoftware at sonic.net Sat Sep 9 23:16:09 2017 From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2017 20:16:09 -0700 Subject: private command gotcha In-Reply-To: <4BBDDA86-E7C2-4372-A1B1-A3656FFD059B@appisle.net> References: <609EA49F-7775-4633-B945-B48DD7703846@appisle.net> <63e7a591-ea3b-6f44-34e0-a9e67d2ec583@pdslabs.net> <4BBDDA86-E7C2-4372-A1B1-A3656FFD059B@appisle.net> Message-ID: <777f9291-d4e1-24cd-5dad-42a94e6e460b@sonic.net> On 09/07/2017 03:06 PM, Monte Goulding via use-livecode wrote: > FWIW I would dearly love send in time to remember the caller and if the target is the caller then allow private handlers. That. Very that. Also private callbacks for socket messages. -- Mark Wieder ahsoftware at gmail.com From monte at appisle.net Sat Sep 9 23:24:16 2017 From: monte at appisle.net (Monte Goulding) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2017 13:24:16 +1000 Subject: private command gotcha In-Reply-To: <777f9291-d4e1-24cd-5dad-42a94e6e460b@sonic.net> References: <609EA49F-7775-4633-B945-B48DD7703846@appisle.net> <63e7a591-ea3b-6f44-34e0-a9e67d2ec583@pdslabs.net> <4BBDDA86-E7C2-4372-A1B1-A3656FFD059B@appisle.net> <777f9291-d4e1-24cd-5dad-42a94e6e460b@sonic.net> Message-ID: > On 10 Sep 2017, at 1:16 pm, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote: > >> FWIW I would dearly love send in time to remember the caller and if the target is the caller then allow private handlers. > > That. Very that. > Also private callbacks for socket messages. Socket callbacks are basically send in 0 when from when the callback needs to be sent. As in they go via pending messages the same as send. So if it?s supported for send then it should work for sockets. Cheers Monte From prothero at earthlearningsolutions.org Sat Sep 9 23:41:59 2017 From: prothero at earthlearningsolutions.org (prothero at earthlearningsolutions.org) Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2017 20:41:59 -0700 Subject: Curious about widget security Message-ID: Given the huge breach with Equifax, I've been thinking about lesser, security issues. Does the browser widget save trackers, cookies, and other marketing type thingies? If so, I wonder if it would be possible to delete them upon closing an app. What do,you,think? Bill P William Prothero http://es.earthednet.org From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sun Sep 10 10:32:39 2017 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2017 17:32:39 +0300 Subject: Getting saucy Message-ID: <18a3bf13-3c35-8bdc-1288-73a19c8ada2a@gmail.com> Sometimes I download a folder containing the source code for an application and cd into it from the Terminal and do a ./compile make make install series of actions and the code is compiled and installed in my operating system. How does one download such a folder of an Open Source version of Livecode? Richmond. From brian at milby7.com Sun Sep 10 10:46:11 2017 From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2017 09:46:11 -0500 Subject: Getting saucy In-Reply-To: <18a3bf13-3c35-8bdc-1288-73a19c8ada2a@gmail.com> References: <18a3bf13-3c35-8bdc-1288-73a19c8ada2a@gmail.com> Message-ID: A little more involved. I've only done it on Mac, but start here: See https://github.com/livecode/livecode/blob/develop/README.md You need to clone the git repository to your machine and have the build tools setup for your platform. I'm not sure about the "install" part though... I've just been running the result directly from where it is built since I'm repeatedly building different versions. I only install the packaged ones I download. On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 9:32 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode < use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > Sometimes I download a folder containing the source code for an > application and cd into it from the Terminal and do a > > ./compile > make > make install > > series of actions > > and the code is compiled and installed in my operating system. > > How does one download such a folder of an Open Source version of Livecode? > > Richmond. > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sun Sep 10 10:54:00 2017 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2017 17:54:00 +0300 Subject: Getting saucy In-Reply-To: References: <18a3bf13-3c35-8bdc-1288-73a19c8ada2a@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0556543a-e3b9-c1a9-6697-ae78e3c6f834@gmail.com> I did that sort of thing about 3-4 years ago in a rather feeble attempt to build a Livecode version to run on Linux PPC . . . Most open source efforts supply a folder with the build files inside it rather than forcing people down the slightly recherch? route of git-hub. Richmond. On 9/10/17 5:46 pm, Brian Milby via use-livecode wrote: > A little more involved. I've only done it on Mac, but start here: > See https://github.com/livecode/livecode/blob/develop/README.md > > You need to clone the git repository to your machine and have the build > tools setup for your platform. I'm not sure about the "install" part > though... I've just been running the result directly from where it is built > since I'm repeatedly building different versions. I only install the > packaged ones I download. > > On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 9:32 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode < > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > >> Sometimes I download a folder containing the source code for an >> application and cd into it from the Terminal and do a >> >> ./compile >> make >> make install >> >> series of actions >> >> and the code is compiled and installed in my operating system. >> >> How does one download such a folder of an Open Source version of Livecode? >> >> Richmond. >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From ahsoftware at sonic.net Sun Sep 10 11:49:09 2017 From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2017 08:49:09 -0700 Subject: Getting saucy In-Reply-To: <0556543a-e3b9-c1a9-6697-ae78e3c6f834@gmail.com> References: <18a3bf13-3c35-8bdc-1288-73a19c8ada2a@gmail.com> <0556543a-e3b9-c1a9-6697-ae78e3c6f834@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5296d0a2-9539-868a-2e8f-82c97c7b2168@sonic.net> On 09/10/2017 07:54 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote: > I did that sort of thing about 3-4 years ago in a rather feeble attempt > to build a Livecode > version to run on Linux PPC . . . > > Most open source efforts supply a folder with the build files inside it > rather > than forcing people down the slightly recherch? route of git-hub. When you clone the repository from github you'll find the build files included. If you have all the necessaries installed on your system (listed in the directions, and a few simple apt-gets will do the job) then a ./configure and ./make is probably all you need. -- Mark Wieder ahsoftware at gmail.com From brian at milby7.com Sun Sep 10 11:52:16 2017 From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2017 10:52:16 -0500 Subject: Getting saucy In-Reply-To: <0556543a-e3b9-c1a9-6697-ae78e3c6f834@gmail.com> References: <18a3bf13-3c35-8bdc-1288-73a19c8ada2a@gmail.com> <0556543a-e3b9-c1a9-6697-ae78e3c6f834@gmail.com> Message-ID: Someone more knowledgeable would need to comment as to why, but I can verify that it won't build from downloaded zips of the repository. When attempting to `make config-mac` it will complain that it isn't a git repository. Having said all that, it wasn't that bad to get the environment set up on my Mac. The most involved part was getting the various SDKs linked in to my version of Xcode. If I had not started with an App store version of Xcode, it probably would have gone smoother (for anyone reading this, be sure to NOT use the App store version). Now, I just need to set up a Linux VM so I can start building that version too... On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 9:54 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode < use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > I did that sort of thing about 3-4 years ago in a rather feeble attempt to > build a Livecode > version to run on Linux PPC . . . > > Most open source efforts supply a folder with the build files inside it > rather > than forcing people down the slightly recherch? route of git-hub. > > Richmond. > > > On 9/10/17 5:46 pm, Brian Milby via use-livecode wrote: > >> A little more involved. I've only done it on Mac, but start here: >> See https://github.com/livecode/livecode/blob/develop/README.md >> >> You need to clone the git repository to your machine and have the build >> tools setup for your platform. I'm not sure about the "install" part >> though... I've just been running the result directly from where it is >> built >> since I'm repeatedly building different versions. I only install the >> packaged ones I download. >> >> On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 9:32 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode < >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: >> >> Sometimes I download a folder containing the source code for an >>> application and cd into it from the Terminal and do a >>> >>> ./compile >>> make >>> make install >>> >>> series of actions >>> >>> and the code is compiled and installed in my operating system. >>> >>> How does one download such a folder of an Open Source version of >>> Livecode? >>> >>> Richmond. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From monte at appisle.net Sun Sep 10 16:29:48 2017 From: monte at appisle.net (Monte Goulding) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2017 06:29:48 +1000 Subject: Getting saucy In-Reply-To: <0556543a-e3b9-c1a9-6697-ae78e3c6f834@gmail.com> References: <18a3bf13-3c35-8bdc-1288-73a19c8ada2a@gmail.com> <0556543a-e3b9-c1a9-6697-ae78e3c6f834@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7FBAE499-BE9C-42E6-8977-545FF14BF6C4@appisle.net> > On 11 Sep 2017, at 12:54 am, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote: > > I did that sort of thing about 3-4 years ago in a rather feeble attempt to build a Livecode > version to run on Linux PPC . . . > > Most open source efforts supply a folder with the build files inside it rather > than forcing people down the slightly recherch? route of git-hub. Hmm? most open source efforts? Would be interested in stats. My expectation would be most just use GitHub. Regardless I think we all have more helpful things to do rather than replicate GitHub functionality. Having said that it?s open source so anyone can feel free to maintain some other means of access to the source. It would be a hefty task because it?s constantly changing. You can download as a folder from GitHub I think although as Brian said our build tools run some git commands for various things.. probably only the current commit hash is required so you could work around that. If you are interested in building LiveCode from source then I?d suggest the simplest route is to follow our documented instructions that Brian pointed to. They include the few git commands required to get the source. Cheers Monte From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sun Sep 10 16:57:30 2017 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2017 15:57:30 -0500 Subject: What Android device detail do you find useful and why? In-Reply-To: <612F2891-F311-4264-A8AF-FEE33056D55C@hindu.org> References: <612F2891-F311-4264-A8AF-FEE33056D55C@hindu.org> Message-ID: On 9/8/17 8:46 PM, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode wrote: > MobileBuildInfo for Android (see below) > > Is anyone tracking this stuff? If so, what, from your analytics experience is most useful? And why? The most useful for me would be to get the hardware serial number for tracking purposes, but many Android devices block that. And with the new Oreo OS, the OS itself will block it, so it's mostly unavailable everywhere. The model and manufacturer might be useful if you want to see what devices are using your app. > > And: is there no way to get this for iOS? (can't find anything similar in the dictionary that would tell us "iPhone 7, 5, 6+, iPad Mini" Try "the machine". -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From preid at reidit.co.uk Sun Sep 10 17:06:14 2017 From: preid at reidit.co.uk (Peter Reid) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2017 22:06:14 +0100 Subject: Android Audio Playback & Recording In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <257D7E3D-3AE3-4630-BF92-E5323A61942A@reidit.co.uk> Hi, I'm making an app for Android in the form of an Amazon Fire 7 tablet (2017 version). I'm doing the development with LC 9-dp8 and a Mac running macOS 10.12.6. A key part of this app requires the user to say a word or two, which will be recorded by the tablet and saved for subsequent comparison with a speech fragment played earlier. What I'm looking for is the way to include the output of a word or short phrase, as spoken text; followed by speech input from the user, and then compared with the original speech recorded previously. Andy suggestions please? Thanks. Peter -- Peter Reid Loughborough, UK From brian at milby7.com Sun Sep 10 19:57:03 2017 From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2017 18:57:03 -0500 Subject: Getting saucy In-Reply-To: <7FBAE499-BE9C-42E6-8977-545FF14BF6C4@appisle.net> References: <18a3bf13-3c35-8bdc-1288-73a19c8ada2a@gmail.com> <0556543a-e3b9-c1a9-6697-ae78e3c6f834@gmail.com> <7FBAE499-BE9C-42E6-8977-545FF14BF6C4@appisle.net> Message-ID: I'll add that it did not take that much to get it up and running on Linux. I had an Ubuntu 16.04 ISO already so I built a VM and updated everything. I used the commands on the build-linux.md file to get all of the dev software installed. The only package missing was java... (sudo apt-get install default-jdk). Once I had cloned the repo I did the make commands to config and compile. On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 3:29 PM, Monte Goulding via use-livecode < use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > On 11 Sep 2017, at 12:54 am, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode < > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > > I did that sort of thing about 3-4 years ago in a rather feeble attempt > to build a Livecode > > version to run on Linux PPC . . . > > > > Most open source efforts supply a folder with the build files inside it > rather > > than forcing people down the slightly recherch? route of git-hub. > > Hmm? most open source efforts? Would be interested in stats. My > expectation would be most just use GitHub. Regardless I think we all have > more helpful things to do rather than replicate GitHub functionality. > > Having said that it?s open source so anyone can feel free to maintain some > other means of access to the source. It would be a hefty task because it?s > constantly changing. You can download as a folder from GitHub I think > although as Brian said our build tools run some git commands for various > things.. probably only the current commit hash is required so you could > work around that. > > If you are interested in building LiveCode from source then I?d suggest > the simplest route is to follow our documented instructions that Brian > pointed to. They include the few git commands required to get the source. > > Cheers > > Monte > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From capellan2000 at gmail.com Sun Sep 10 20:01:26 2017 From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2017 20:01:26 -0400 Subject: Export vector graphics v05 Message-ID: Hi All, This download is an update to a stack posted 10 years ago in the mail list. This stack exports all vector graphics pasted in the first card as PDF, Adobe Ilustrator (v7) or SVG. Please test first if you could open every type of file produced by this stack. Before pasting your graphics, export all included graphics as PDF, Adobe Ilustrator and SVG and open these files using programs installed in your computer or tablet. After you verify that files exported by this stack open correctly, you are ready to delete all included graphics and paste your own graphics in the first card. Report any errors and read the source code to add your own improvements. I hope that one of you become motivated enough and helps in the creation of code that exports gradients in each format (or just svg only) By the way, only latest Inkscape versions (0.92 and later) could edit these exported svg. Previous Inkscape versions do not understand how to handle polylines and polygons... Download from this post in the forum: http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=29742 Al From irog at mac.com Sun Sep 10 23:07:37 2017 From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2017 20:07:37 -0700 Subject: Subscript and Superscript In-Reply-To: <0556543a-e3b9-c1a9-6697-ae78e3c6f834@gmail.com> References: <18a3bf13-3c35-8bdc-1288-73a19c8ada2a@gmail.com> <0556543a-e3b9-c1a9-6697-ae78e3c6f834@gmail.com> Message-ID: Since one can set the subscript or superscript of a character from the Text menu, presumably there are commands to do so as well? I can?t find such a thing! Help please. Thanks, Roger From terry.judd at unimelb.edu.au Sun Sep 10 23:35:09 2017 From: terry.judd at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2017 03:35:09 +0000 Subject: Subscript and Superscript In-Reply-To: References: <18a3bf13-3c35-8bdc-1288-73a19c8ada2a@gmail.com> <0556543a-e3b9-c1a9-6697-ae78e3c6f834@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5A5A110D-6593-498A-948C-6D3AFBFDF428@unimelb.edu.au> Hi Roger ? you can set subscripts and superscripts by settings the htmlText. So, something like: set the htmlText of word 5 of fld ?x? to ?m2? Terry... On 11/09/2017 1:07 pm, "use-livecode on behalf of Roger Guay via use-livecode" wrote: Since one can set the subscript or superscript of a character from the Text menu, presumably there are commands to do so as well? I can?t find such a thing! Help please. Thanks, Roger _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From brian at milby7.com Sun Sep 10 23:47:58 2017 From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2017 22:47:58 -0500 Subject: Subscript and Superscript In-Reply-To: <5A5A110D-6593-498A-948C-6D3AFBFDF428@unimelb.edu.au> References: <18a3bf13-3c35-8bdc-1288-73a19c8ada2a@gmail.com> <0556543a-e3b9-c1a9-6697-ae78e3c6f834@gmail.com> <5A5A110D-6593-498A-948C-6D3AFBFDF428@unimelb.edu.au> Message-ID: Or, the way the engine does it is to use "the textshift"... set the textShift of char 2 of field "textField" to -4 --superscript set the textShift of char 5 of field "textField" to 4 --subscript The IDE uses a handler called "ideStyleText" located in stack "revidelibrary" if you want to take a look. Brian On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 10:35 PM, Terry Judd via use-livecode < use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > Hi Roger ? you can set subscripts and superscripts by settings the > htmlText. So, something like: > > set the htmlText of word 5 of fld ?x? to ?m2? > > Terry... > > On 11/09/2017 1:07 pm, "use-livecode on behalf of Roger Guay via > use-livecode" use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > Since one can set the subscript or superscript of a character from the > Text menu, presumably there are commands to do so as well? I can?t find > such a thing! Help please. > > Thanks, > > Roger > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From irog at mac.com Mon Sep 11 00:58:58 2017 From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2017 21:58:58 -0700 Subject: Subscript and Superscript In-Reply-To: References: <18a3bf13-3c35-8bdc-1288-73a19c8ada2a@gmail.com> <0556543a-e3b9-c1a9-6697-ae78e3c6f834@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2BF6579B-C871-46F5-A7A9-35D4F3DAC023@mac.com> Thanks for your help, Terry and Brian. Cheers, Roger > On Sep 10, 2017, at 8:07 PM, Roger Guay via use-livecode wrote: > > Since one can set the subscript or superscript of a character from the Text menu, presumably there are commands to do so as well? I can?t find such a thing! Help please. > > Thanks, > > Roger > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From panos.merakos at livecode.com Mon Sep 11 06:49:08 2017 From: panos.merakos at livecode.com (panagiotis merakos) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2017 11:49:08 +0100 Subject: [ANN] This Week in LiveCode 97 Message-ID: Hi all, Read about new developments in LiveCode open source and the open source community in today's edition of the "This Week in LiveCode" newsletter! Read issue #97 here: https://goo.gl/vynPjy This is a weekly newsletter about LiveCode, focussing on what's been going on in and around the open source project. New issues will be released weekly on Mondays. We have a dedicated mailing list that will deliver each issue directly to you e-mail, so you don't miss any! If you have anything you'd like mentioned (a project, a discussion somewhere, an upcoming event) then please get in touch. -- Panagiotis Merakos LiveCode Software Developer Everyone Can Create Apps From sean at pidigital.co.uk Mon Sep 11 08:16:10 2017 From: sean at pidigital.co.uk (Sean Cole (Pi)) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2017 13:16:10 +0100 Subject: Apps monetizing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I 'was' working on a widget that runs MobFox (which acts as an agent to all of the other ad providers), but had to abandon it as MobFox suddenly with no warning removed their Javascript and CURL access so now you can only use iOS and Android native SDKs. That would require more than LC8 can deliver, it needs the new Language tools in LC9. I've now been looking at propellerads.com. They have a DirectLink feature that works on all platforms using browser tech and your own personalized URL (or set-of for multiple clients). This seems one of the best options at the moment. Here's how: 1. Register (Use the Get Started button on their page) 2. After registration is authorised you'll be taken to your account page and asked to enter your website. Ignore this and use the Direct Link button. 3. In the first step for Direct Link there is only one option available at the moment, Native Direct Ads. Select it and go next. 4. Give it a name and select next 5. Use the https button to get a secure signed link. Copy/paste it somewhere safe like a constant var in your app. It's not the best way but it is 'a' way to monetise for now. Until the final release of LC9 with full Android and iOS native language integration. All the best Sean Cole *Pi Digital Productions Ltd* www.pidigital.co.uk 'Don't try to think outside the box. Just remember the truth: There is no box!' 'For then you realise it is not the box you are trying to look outside of, but it is yourself!' eMail Ts & Cs Pi Digital Productions Ltd is a UK registered limited company, no. 5255609 On 9 September 2017 at 22:06, Jose Enrique Montero via use-livecode < use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > Hi experts, do you know if LIVECODE solved some way to monetize the > app, using ads? > > > best regards > > JE.Montero > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From james at thehales.id.au Mon Sep 11 12:57:17 2017 From: james at thehales.id.au (James Hale) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2017 02:57:17 +1000 Subject: Livecode docset for Dash Message-ID: I have just uploaded a stack "Make DocSet" to revonline that creates a "LiveCode.docset" for use in the documentation/snippet manager Dash https://kapeli.com/dash From the revOnline entry: "Dash" is a documentation and snippet manager for MacOs and iOS. The MacOS version of Dash is a paid for app. The iOS version of Dash is FREE! This stack was made using LC 8. "Make DocSet" will extract all the guides, images and all the dictionary entries in the IDE and format them intto "html". It will then construct a docset package on your desktop with all the html files, images and SQlite index required by Dash. To install into Dash (assuming you have a copy) just double click. to install on yout iOS device, trnasfer the file via iTunes to the Dash app. As the docs are updated in each release of LiveCode you can use the stack regenerate the docset, should you wish, to ensure your copy is up to date. You can try out Dash and see if it is helpful. It can access/download over 150 documentation sets. James From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com Mon Sep 11 13:04:31 2017 From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2017 17:04:31 +0000 Subject: Livecode docset for Dash In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks James that sounds useful, if by snippet you mean common code snippets. I'll give that a look see. Bob S > On Sep 11, 2017, at 09:57 , James Hale via use-livecode wrote: > > I have just uploaded a stack "Make DocSet" to revonline that creates a "LiveCode.docset" for use in the documentation/snippet manager Dash > https://kapeli.com/dash > > From the revOnline entry: > > "Dash" is a documentation and snippet manager for MacOs and iOS. > > The MacOS version of Dash is a paid for app. > > The iOS version of Dash is FREE! > > This stack was made using LC 8. > > "Make DocSet" will extract all the guides, images and all the dictionary entries in the IDE and format them intto "html". > > It will then construct a docset package on your desktop with all the html files, images and SQlite index required by Dash. > > To install into Dash (assuming you have a copy) just double click. > > to install on yout iOS device, trnasfer the file via iTunes to the Dash app. > > As the docs are updated in each release of LiveCode you can use the stack regenerate the docset, should you wish, to ensure your copy is up to date. > > > > You can try out Dash and see if it is helpful. > It can access/download over 150 documentation sets. > > > James > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de Mon Sep 11 13:23:06 2017 From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2017 19:23:06 +0200 Subject: Livecode docset for Dash In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: James, thank you so much for this. I was looking for such a docset for so long know. Regards, Matthias Matthias Rebbe +49 5741 310000 ?wirmachen.software ? > Am 11.09.2017 um 18:57 schrieb James Hale via use-livecode >: > > I have just uploaded a stack "Make DocSet" to revonline that creates a "LiveCode.docset" for use in the documentation/snippet manager Dash > https://kapeli.com/dash > > > From the revOnline entry: > > "Dash" is a documentation and snippet manager for MacOs and iOS. > > The MacOS version of Dash is a paid for app. > > The iOS version of Dash is FREE! > > This stack was made using LC 8. > > "Make DocSet" will extract all the guides, images and all the dictionary entries in the IDE and format them intto "html". > > It will then construct a docset package on your desktop with all the html files, images and SQlite index required by Dash. > > To install into Dash (assuming you have a copy) just double click. > > to install on yout iOS device, trnasfer the file via iTunes to the Dash app. > > As the docs are updated in each release of LiveCode you can use the stack regenerate the docset, should you wish, to ensure your copy is up to date. > > > > You can try out Dash and see if it is helpful. > It can access/download over 150 documentation sets. > > > James > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From james at thehales.id.au Mon Sep 11 13:27:21 2017 From: james at thehales.id.au (James Hale) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2017 03:27:21 +1000 Subject: Livecode docset for Dash Message-ID: <7BD5FBEF-E50F-4BD6-955D-4D07331192AA@thehales.id.au> Hi Bob, Actually I might mean macro. I had entered a snippet called "sw" which was a three case switch template. While coding the stack I went to type "Answer" but couldn't get past "Answ" before the switch statement was inserted. I hadn't realized Dash would pick this up and act on it. My main reason for doing this was to get a copy of the documentation (mainly the dictionary) on to my iPad as I often want to look something up, especially if reading the list or forum. The online API doesn't function on touch devices and this just works. Of course the added bonus is the access to all the other doc sets. It came in quite handy as I need to look up both HTML and CSS while coding the conversions to html. James > Bob Sneidar via use-livecode Mon, 11 Sep 2017 10:06:22 -0700 > Thanks James that sounds useful, if by snippet you mean common code snippets. > I'll give that a look see. From montero.je at gmail.com Mon Sep 11 13:51:02 2017 From: montero.je at gmail.com (Jose Enrique Montero) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2017 13:51:02 -0400 Subject: Apps monetizing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: after I had the link, how I can use it in the stack? With a browser widget ? Thanks again JE 2017-09-11 8:16 GMT-04:00 Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode < use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>: > I 'was' working on a widget that runs MobFox (which acts as an agent to all > of the other ad providers), but had to abandon it as MobFox suddenly with > no warning removed their Javascript and CURL access so now you can only use > iOS and Android native SDKs. That would require more than LC8 can deliver, > it needs the new Language tools in LC9. > > I've now been looking at propellerads.com. They have a DirectLink feature > that works on all platforms using browser tech and your own personalized > URL (or set-of for multiple clients). This seems one of the best options at > the moment. Here's how: > > > 1. Register (Use the Get Started button on their page) > 2. After registration is authorised you'll be taken to your account page > and asked to enter your website. Ignore this and use the Direct Link > button. > 3. In the first step for Direct Link there is only one option available > at the moment, Native Direct Ads. Select it and go next. > 4. Give it a name and select next > 5. Use the https button to get a secure signed link. Copy/paste it > somewhere safe like a constant var in your app. > > It's not the best way but it is 'a' way to monetise for now. Until the > final release of LC9 with full Android and iOS native language integration. > > All the best > > Sean Cole > *Pi Digital Productions Ltd* > www.pidigital.co.uk > 'Don't try to think outside the box. Just remember the truth: There is no > box!' > 'For then you realise it is not the box you are trying to look outside of, > but it is yourself!' > > eMail Ts & Cs Pi Digital > Productions Ltd is a UK registered limited company, no. 5255609 > > On 9 September 2017 at 22:06, Jose Enrique Montero via use-livecode < > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > Hi experts, do you know if LIVECODE solved some way to monetize the > > app, using ads? > > > > > > best regards > > > > JE.Montero > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com Mon Sep 11 14:20:27 2017 From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2017 18:20:27 +0000 Subject: Phone Number Validation Function Message-ID: Hi all. Since I needed to write one, I thought I would share this phone number validation function. NOTE: it only works for phone numbers of the following format: -- pure numbers nnnnnnn nnnnnnnnnn -- formatted numbers nnn-nnnn nnn-nnn-nnnn (nnn) nnn-nnnn It will also accept a space delimited extension so long as it begins with x, ex or ext. Anyone who wants to massage it into shape for European or other phone number formats can do so. The range checking is somewhat coarse, because I had difficulty determining what the lowest and highest area code and prefix can be, and also it may change in the future. Enjoy! Bob S function isPhoneNum pValue /* A phone number is a value whose raw numeric value is between 1000000 and 9999999, or 1000000000 and 9999999999, with an optional numeric value delimited by a space. Additionally, the first and fifth characters can be ( and ) respectively, in which case the 6th character must be a space and the tenth character must be a dash. */ put pValue into tPhoneNumber -- preserve initial value put last word of tPhoneNumber into tExtension if first char of tExtension is "x" or char 1 to 3 of tExtension is "ext" then delete last word of tPhoneNumber -- lose the extension else put empty into tExtension -- it's not a valid extension end if -- range check put cleanAscii(tPhoneNumber, "numbers") into tPhnValue if tPhnValue > 9999999 then if tPhnValue < 1000000000 or tPhnValue > 9999999999 then return false end if else if tPhnValue < 1000000 then return false end if end if -- pure numbers are OK if tPhoneNumber = tPhnValue then return true -- allowed characters if length(tPhnValue) = 7 then -- length must be 8 chars and char 4 must be a dash if length(tPhoneNumber) <> 8 or char 4 of tPhoneNumber is not "-" then return false end if else -- length must be 14, 1st char must be (, 5th char must be ), 6th char must be space and 10th char must be - -- or else length must be 12, 4th char must be - and 8th char must be - if length(tPhoneNumber) <> 14 or length(tPhoneNumber) <> 12 then return false end if if length(tPhoneNumber) is 14 then if char 1 of tPhoneNumber is not "(" or \ char 5 of tPhoneNumber is not ")" or \ char 6 of tPhoneNumber is not space or \ char 10 of tPhoneNumber is not "-" then return false end if else if char 4 of tPhoneNumber is not "-" or \ char 8 of tPhoneNumber is not "-" then return false end if end if end if return true end isPhoneNum From sean at pidigital.co.uk Mon Sep 11 14:27:05 2017 From: sean at pidigital.co.uk (Pi Digital) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2017 19:27:05 +0100 Subject: Apps monetizing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4AA1D8E0-F683-43D1-86D3-9673C1681308@pidigital.co.uk> Exactly. Make sure that your widget has some sort of way for them to close it eventually. If you have it steered through your own website (rather than direct link) then you could set up banners for display in a smaller browser window. It depends on what suits you or your clients the most. There is a considerable amount of chatter about the morality of the adverts (a great number of them are for fitness pills or scamware) but those seem to be the only ones who are advertising. It?s very rare for the likes of Disney, Chanel or other big brands to advertise on these platforms. I just found that InMobi are still making available their JavaScript tags so they are an alternative. Their disclaimer is that ?even though it is possible to use InMobi JavaScript tags with mobile applications instead of mobile websites, results may vary and InMobi will not be able to provide support.? Sean Cole Pi Digital > On 11 Sep 2017, at 18:51, Jose Enrique Montero via use-livecode wrote: > > after I had the link, how I can use it in the stack? > > With a browser widget ? > > > Thanks again > JE > > 2017-09-11 8:16 GMT-04:00 Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode < > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>: > >> I 'was' working on a widget that runs MobFox (which acts as an agent to all >> of the other ad providers), but had to abandon it as MobFox suddenly with >> no warning removed their Javascript and CURL access so now you can only use >> iOS and Android native SDKs. That would require more than LC8 can deliver, >> it needs the new Language tools in LC9. >> >> I've now been looking at propellerads.com. They have a DirectLink feature >> that works on all platforms using browser tech and your own personalized >> URL (or set-of for multiple clients). This seems one of the best options at >> the moment. Here's how: >> >> >> 1. Register (Use the Get Started button on their page) >> 2. After registration is authorised you'll be taken to your account page >> and asked to enter your website. Ignore this and use the Direct Link >> button. >> 3. In the first step for Direct Link there is only one option available >> at the moment, Native Direct Ads. Select it and go next. >> 4. Give it a name and select next >> 5. Use the https button to get a secure signed link. Copy/paste it >> somewhere safe like a constant var in your app. >> >> It's not the best way but it is 'a' way to monetise for now. Until the >> final release of LC9 with full Android and iOS native language integration. >> >> All the best >> >> Sean Cole >> *Pi Digital Productions Ltd* >> www.pidigital.co.uk >> 'Don't try to think outside the box. Just remember the truth: There is no >> box!' >> 'For then you realise it is not the box you are trying to look outside of, >> but it is yourself!' >> >> eMail Ts & Cs Pi Digital >> Productions Ltd is a UK registered limited company, no. 5255609 >> >> On 9 September 2017 at 22:06, Jose Enrique Montero via use-livecode < >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi experts, do you know if LIVECODE solved some way to monetize the >>> app, using ads? >>> >>> >>> best regards >>> >>> JE.Montero >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com Mon Sep 11 14:27:56 2017 From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2017 18:27:56 +0000 Subject: Phone Number Validation Function In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <31632CD6-5070-4424-AACB-A2C8FDB92CF1@iotecdigital.com> WHOOPS! Change this line to if length(tPhoneNumber) <> 14 AND length(tPhoneNumber) <> 12 then > On Sep 11, 2017, at 11:20 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote: > > if length(tPhoneNumber) <> 14 or length(tPhoneNumber) <> 12 then From sundown at pacifier.com Mon Sep 11 15:04:39 2017 From: sundown at pacifier.com (JB) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2017 12:04:39 -0700 Subject: Phone Number Validation Function In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6B525099-BF1F-4142-993A-C86EB420D591@pacifier.com> Thanks Bob. JB > On Sep 11, 2017, at 11:20 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote: > > Hi all. > > Since I needed to write one, I thought I would share this phone number validation function. NOTE: it only works for phone numbers of the following format: > > -- pure numbers > nnnnnnn > nnnnnnnnnn > > -- formatted numbers > nnn-nnnn > nnn-nnn-nnnn > (nnn) nnn-nnnn > > It will also accept a space delimited extension so long as it begins with x, ex or ext. > > Anyone who wants to massage it into shape for European or other phone number formats can do so. The range checking is somewhat coarse, because I had difficulty determining what the lowest and highest area code and prefix can be, and also it may change in the future. Enjoy! > > Bob S > > function isPhoneNum pValue > /* > A phone number is a value whose raw numeric value is between 1000000 and 9999999, or 1000000000 and > 9999999999, with an optional numeric value delimited by a space. Additionally, the first and fifth characters > can be ( and ) respectively, in which case the 6th character must be a space and the tenth character must be > a dash. > */ > put pValue into tPhoneNumber -- preserve initial value > put last word of tPhoneNumber into tExtension > > if first char of tExtension is "x" or char 1 to 3 of tExtension is "ext" then > delete last word of tPhoneNumber -- lose the extension > else > put empty into tExtension -- it's not a valid extension > end if > > -- range check > put cleanAscii(tPhoneNumber, "numbers") into tPhnValue > > if tPhnValue > 9999999 then > if tPhnValue < 1000000000 or tPhnValue > 9999999999 then > return false > end if > else > if tPhnValue < 1000000 then > return false > end if > end if > > -- pure numbers are OK > if tPhoneNumber = tPhnValue then return true > > -- allowed characters > if length(tPhnValue) = 7 then > -- length must be 8 chars and char 4 must be a dash > if length(tPhoneNumber) <> 8 or char 4 of tPhoneNumber is not "-" then > return false > end if > else > -- length must be 14, 1st char must be (, 5th char must be ), 6th char must be space and 10th char must be - > -- or else length must be 12, 4th char must be - and 8th char must be - > if length(tPhoneNumber) <> 14 or length(tPhoneNumber) <> 12 then > return false > end if > > if length(tPhoneNumber) is 14 then > if char 1 of tPhoneNumber is not "(" or \ > char 5 of tPhoneNumber is not ")" or \ > char 6 of tPhoneNumber is not space or \ > char 10 of tPhoneNumber is not "-" then > return false > end if > else > if char 4 of tPhoneNumber is not "-" or \ > char 8 of tPhoneNumber is not "-" then > return false > end if > end if > end if > return true > end isPhoneNum > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Mon Sep 11 15:16:59 2017 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2017 14:16:59 -0500 Subject: Livecode docset for Dash In-Reply-To: <7BD5FBEF-E50F-4BD6-955D-4D07331192AA@thehales.id.au> References: <7BD5FBEF-E50F-4BD6-955D-4D07331192AA@thehales.id.au> Message-ID: On 9/11/17 12:27 PM, James Hale via use-livecode wrote: > The online API doesn't function on touch devices It works on my Android with Chrome, but it is painfully slow and you have to wait for the popup ad to display, then dismiss it, and then you can type. The initial filtering on the first character of the term hangs for a few seconds, then each successive character takes a little less time as the filtered list gets smaller. So yeah, it's hard to use, but it can be done with some patience on Android at least. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From sean at pidigital.co.uk Mon Sep 11 15:47:26 2017 From: sean at pidigital.co.uk (Sean Cole (Pi)) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2017 20:47:26 +0100 Subject: Apps monetizing In-Reply-To: <4AA1D8E0-F683-43D1-86D3-9673C1681308@pidigital.co.uk> References: <4AA1D8E0-F683-43D1-86D3-9673C1681308@pidigital.co.uk> Message-ID: I've also just found that Millenial Media uses Javascript too. http://docs.onemobilesdk.aol.com/mmadlib/index.html The link to the InMobi MobileWeb guide is https://support.inmobi.com/monetize/mobile-web/ InMobi seems the most popular and bigger or the two with more features as well. To use either of these, you create a dummy html file using the javascript code from the guides and store it within your app resources. Call it when you create a browser to display the ad. It will need to be able to respond to taps and other javascript calls. You'll also likely need to have some sort of timeout features with a 'close browser' method of some sort so that it can be manually or automatically removed somehow. You can set up a test account to give it a play. All the best Sean Cole *Pi Digital Productions Ltd* www.pidigital.co.uk 'Don't try to think outside the box. Just remember the truth: There is no box!' 'For then you realise it is not the box you are trying to look outside of, but it is yourself!' eMail Ts & Cs Pi Digital Productions Ltd is a UK registered limited company, no. 5255609 On 11 September 2017 at 19:27, Pi Digital via use-livecode < use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > Exactly. Make sure that your widget has some sort of way for them to close > it eventually. If you have it steered through your own website (rather than > direct link) then you could set up banners for display in a smaller browser > window. It depends on what suits you or your clients the most. There is a > considerable amount of chatter about the morality of the adverts (a great > number of them are for fitness pills or scamware) but those seem to be the > only ones who are advertising. It?s very rare for the likes of Disney, > Chanel or other big brands to advertise on these platforms. > > I just found that InMobi are still making available their JavaScript tags > so they are an alternative. Their disclaimer is that ?even though it is > possible to use InMobi JavaScript tags with mobile applications instead of > mobile websites, results may vary and InMobi will not be able to provide > support.? > > Sean Cole > Pi Digital > > > On 11 Sep 2017, at 18:51, Jose Enrique Montero via use-livecode < > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > > after I had the link, how I can use it in the stack? > > > > With a browser widget ? > > > > > > Thanks again > > JE > > > > 2017-09-11 8:16 GMT-04:00 Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode < > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>: > > > >> I 'was' working on a widget that runs MobFox (which acts as an agent to > all > >> of the other ad providers), but had to abandon it as MobFox suddenly > with > >> no warning removed their Javascript and CURL access so now you can only > use > >> iOS and Android native SDKs. That would require more than LC8 can > deliver, > >> it needs the new Language tools in LC9. > >> > >> I've now been looking at propellerads.com. They have a DirectLink > feature > >> that works on all platforms using browser tech and your own personalized > >> URL (or set-of for multiple clients). This seems one of the best > options at > >> the moment. Here's how: > >> > >> > >> 1. Register (Use the Get Started button on their page) > >> 2. After registration is authorised you'll be taken to your account > page > >> and asked to enter your website. Ignore this and use the Direct Link > >> button. > >> 3. In the first step for Direct Link there is only one option > available > >> at the moment, Native Direct Ads. Select it and go next. > >> 4. Give it a name and select next > >> 5. Use the https button to get a secure signed link. Copy/paste it > >> somewhere safe like a constant var in your app. > >> > >> It's not the best way but it is 'a' way to monetise for now. Until the > >> final release of LC9 with full Android and iOS native language > integration. > >> > >> All the best > >> > >> Sean Cole > >> *Pi Digital Productions Ltd* > >> www.pidigital.co.uk > >> 'Don't try to think outside the box. Just remember the truth: There is > no > >> box!' > >> 'For then you realise it is not the box you are trying to look outside > of, > >> but it is yourself!' > >> > >> eMail Ts & Cs Pi Digital > >> Productions Ltd is a UK registered limited company, no. 5255609 > >> > >> On 9 September 2017 at 22:06, Jose Enrique Montero via use-livecode < > >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > >> > >>> Hi experts, do you know if LIVECODE solved some way to monetize the > >>> app, using ads? > >>> > >>> > >>> best regards > >>> > >>> JE.Montero > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> use-livecode mailing list > >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > >>> subscription preferences: > >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > >>> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> use-livecode mailing list > >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > >> subscription preferences: > >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From montero.je at gmail.com Mon Sep 11 15:48:51 2017 From: montero.je at gmail.com (Jose Enrique Montero) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2017 15:48:51 -0400 Subject: Apps monetizing In-Reply-To: <4AA1D8E0-F683-43D1-86D3-9673C1681308@pidigital.co.uk> References: <4AA1D8E0-F683-43D1-86D3-9673C1681308@pidigital.co.uk> Message-ID: Thanks Sean, its work but I?m worried about the adverts themes. Do you have try SMAATO.com ? best regards JE 2017-09-11 14:27 GMT-04:00 Pi Digital via use-livecode < use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>: > Exactly. Make sure that your widget has some sort of way for them to close > it eventually. If you have it steered through your own website (rather than > direct link) then you could set up banners for display in a smaller browser > window. It depends on what suits you or your clients the most. There is a > considerable amount of chatter about the morality of the adverts (a great > number of them are for fitness pills or scamware) but those seem to be the > only ones who are advertising. It?s very rare for the likes of Disney, > Chanel or other big brands to advertise on these platforms. > > I just found that InMobi are still making available their JavaScript tags > so they are an alternative. Their disclaimer is that ?even though it is > possible to use InMobi JavaScript tags with mobile applications instead of > mobile websites, results may vary and InMobi will not be able to provide > support.? > > Sean Cole > Pi Digital > > > On 11 Sep 2017, at 18:51, Jose Enrique Montero via use-livecode < > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > > after I had the link, how I can use it in the stack? > > > > With a browser widget ? > > > > > > Thanks again > > JE > > > > 2017-09-11 8:16 GMT-04:00 Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode < > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>: > > > >> I 'was' working on a widget that runs MobFox (which acts as an agent to > all > >> of the other ad providers), but had to abandon it as MobFox suddenly > with > >> no warning removed their Javascript and CURL access so now you can only > use > >> iOS and Android native SDKs. That would require more than LC8 can > deliver, > >> it needs the new Language tools in LC9. > >> > >> I've now been looking at propellerads.com. They have a DirectLink > feature > >> that works on all platforms using browser tech and your own personalized > >> URL (or set-of for multiple clients). This seems one of the best > options at > >> the moment. Here's how: > >> > >> > >> 1. Register (Use the Get Started button on their page) > >> 2. After registration is authorised you'll be taken to your account > page > >> and asked to enter your website. Ignore this and use the Direct Link > >> button. > >> 3. In the first step for Direct Link there is only one option > available > >> at the moment, Native Direct Ads. Select it and go next. > >> 4. Give it a name and select next > >> 5. Use the https button to get a secure signed link. Copy/paste it > >> somewhere safe like a constant var in your app. > >> > >> It's not the best way but it is 'a' way to monetise for now. Until the > >> final release of LC9 with full Android and iOS native language > integration. > >> > >> All the best > >> > >> Sean Cole > >> *Pi Digital Productions Ltd* > >> www.pidigital.co.uk > >> 'Don't try to think outside the box. Just remember the truth: There is > no > >> box!' > >> 'For then you realise it is not the box you are trying to look outside > of, > >> but it is yourself!' > >> > >> eMail Ts & Cs Pi Digital > >> Productions Ltd is a UK registered limited company, no. 5255609 > >> > >> On 9 September 2017 at 22:06, Jose Enrique Montero via use-livecode < > >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: > >> > >>> Hi experts, do you know if LIVECODE solved some way to monetize the > >>> app, using ads? > >>> > >>> > >>> best regards > >>> > >>> JE.Montero > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> use-livecode mailing list > >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > >>> subscription preferences: > >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > >>> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> use-livecode mailing list > >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > >> subscription preferences: > >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From sean at pidigital.co.uk Mon Sep 11 16:03:20 2017 From: sean at pidigital.co.uk (Sean Cole (Pi)) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2017 21:03:20 +0100 Subject: Apps monetizing In-Reply-To: References: <4AA1D8E0-F683-43D1-86D3-9673C1681308@pidigital.co.uk> Message-ID: Smaato was one of my early options because you can link it to AdMob and DoubleClick accounts but they, like many others, only have native iOS and Android SDKs which requires LC9 (which even now doesn't fully support iOS Obj-C Frameworks just yet).