Dan Shafer
Bruce Humphrey
bhumphrey2 at earthlink.net
Thu Jun 22 09:47:55 EDT 2017
Does anyone have a reference for this? There's nothing on google search
Bruce
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> 1. Re: Exploring A Single File Deploy on Windows (Mark Talluto)
> 2. Re: Preference for Keeping Saved Empty Button Scripts Empty
> (Monte Goulding)
> 3. Re: Preference for Keeping Saved Empty Button Scripts Empty
> (Mark Talluto)
> 4. HD Windows Video Formats (Jeff Reynolds)
> 5. Re: Preference for Keeping Saved Empty Button Scripts Empty
> (Mike Bonner)
> 6. Re: Levure?? (Mike Kerner)
> 7. Widgets as Buttons (Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami)
> 8. RIP Dan Shafer (Jerry Jensen)
> 9. Re: RIP Dan Shafer (J. Landman Gay)
> 10. Re: Widgets as Buttons (J. Landman Gay)
> 11. Re: RIP Dan Shafer (Mark Wieder)
> 12. Re: Widgets as Buttons (Richmond Mathewson)
> 13. Re: Exploring A Single File Deploy on Windows (Mark Waddingham)
> 14. AW: HD Windows Video Formats (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 16:21:41 -0700
> From: Mark Talluto <mark at canelasoftware.com>
> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Subject: Re: Exploring A Single File Deploy on Windows
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>> On Jun 21, 2017, at 11:31 AM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> Since 8, standalones have loaded their externals on startup - so no script runs before the standalone expects them to be where they should. One way to resolve this is to send a message *before* the externals are bound, allowing the 'spit out' solution to work again by intercepting standaloneSaving / Saved and handling an appropriate message on startup.
>
> I am just working on this problem today. I need to be able to spit out the needed externals before the engine tries to use them. Otherwise I am getting an 'Initialization Error' dialog stating 'failed to load external'.
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Mark Talluto
> livecloud.io <http://livecloud.io/>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 09:40:56 +1000
> From: Monte Goulding <monte at appisle.net>
> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Subject: Re: Preference for Keeping Saved Empty Button Scripts Empty
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>> On 22 Jun 2017, at 3:20 am, Mike Bonner via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> Perhaps a different direction here? I think it would be helpful to me as a
>> perpetual newbie to have the option to insert common scripts on demand.
>> Maybe a context sensitive dropdown with a mouseup framework for buttons,
>> for fields, textchanged, keyup, keydown. Maybe backed by a personal
>> snippet library so that once one creates their perfect script for entering
>> only floating numbers.. or whatever, make the handlers snippable so that
>> they can be added to a local repository for that object type.
>
> Hi Guys
>
> I have done _some_ work on an autocomplete framework which could also be used for a snippet library. It is something we have on the radar to complete and integrate into the script editor but I?m not sure if we will be able to get to it before 9 goes to RC.
>
> Cheers
>
> Monte
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 16:48:56 -0700
> From: Mark Talluto <mark at canelasoftware.com>
> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Subject: Re: Preference for Keeping Saved Empty Button Scripts Empty
> Message-ID: <DAF1ECA2-6C7D-4CEF-A7D1-4227696EB7F1 at canelasoftware.com>
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>> On Jun 21, 2017, at 4:40 PM, Monte Goulding via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Guys
>>
>> I have done _some_ work on an autocomplete framework which could also be used for a snippet library. It is something we have on the radar to complete and integrate into the script editor but I?m not sure if we will be able to get to it before 9 goes to RC.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Monte
>
> That is super exciting Monte.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Mark Talluto
> livecloud.io <http://livecloud.io/>
> nursenotes.net <http://nursenotes.net/>
> canelasoftware.com <http://www.canelasoftware.com/>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 21:47:28 -0400
> From: Jeff Reynolds <jeff at siphonophore.com>
> To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Subject: HD Windows Video Formats
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> Hi,
>
> Just curious what video wrappers and codecs folks are using for HD (1080) for windows 10 playback (surface) with the directshow drivers native now in livecode.
>
> its an odd set listed in the directshow format page
>
> https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/dd407173(v=vs.85).aspx <https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/dd407173(v=vs.85).aspx>
>
> wmv looks to work but has a 10mps max which has some issues with underwater shots with lots of solids. the h264 compression option looks to be wrapping in an mpeg2 and not quite sure of a path to get there. Does anyone do h264 that playback decoders installed under generic win10 install and a path to how you made the files?
>
> thanks
>
> jeff reynolds
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 19:59:37 -0600
> From: Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com>
> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Subject: Re: Preference for Keeping Saved Empty Button Scripts Empty
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>
> Cool! thanks Monte!
>
> On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 5:48 PM, Mark Talluto via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>>>> On Jun 21, 2017, at 4:40 PM, Monte Goulding via use-livecode <
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Guys
>>>
>>> I have done _some_ work on an autocomplete framework which could also be
>> used for a snippet library. It is something we have on the radar to
>> complete and integrate into the script editor but I?m not sure if we will
>> be able to get to it before 9 goes to RC.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> Monte
>>
>> That is super exciting Monte.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Mark Talluto
>> livecloud.io <http://livecloud.io/>
>> nursenotes.net <http://nursenotes.net/>
>> canelasoftware.com <http://www.canelasoftware.com/>
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> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 22:17:38 -0400
> From: Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com>
> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Subject: Re: Levure??
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> Here's the wiki
> https://github.com/trevordevore/levure/wiki
> Here's Trevor's youtube channel, where you can see some levure videos
> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCluXVDvheCjGSJmCMssc0fw
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 4:54 PM, William Prothero via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Roger! :):)
>> Bill P
>>>> On Jun 21, 2017, at 1:51 PM, Roger Eller via use-livecode <
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> https://www.mail-archive.com/use-livecode@lists.runrev.com/msg82202.html
>>>
>>> ~Roger
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 4:48 PM, William Prothero via use-livecode <
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Could somebody post a link to info about Levure? i must have missed it
>>>> when it was first discussed. I have no idea what Levure?s purpose is,
>> where
>>>> to get it, or ?. However, it sounds (from the discussions) like it
>> might
>>>> be useful.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Bill P
>>>>
>>>> William A. Prothero
>>>> http://earthlearningsolution.org/
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> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 02:51:30 +0000
> From: Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami <brahma at hindu.org>
> To: How LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Subject: Widgets as Buttons
> Message-ID: <D5A1AFCD-926E-4FCA-90FF-1AF0841F35B9 at hindu.org>
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> Re: using widgets for buttons like disclosure triangles.
>
> On mobile they seem very unresponsive.
>
> Jacque says you have to actually tap the pixels inside the defined svg area.
>
> We had this discussion before relative to using small graphics as buttons. So, are we back to making small groups with a background graphic fill white with blendlevel set to 1 or tranparent button on top etc.?
>
> In Spotify, they have super small, tiny disclosure, reveal, popup thin arrows and they work so well, without your finger having to hit some exact target zone? It's almost as if for a small icon that may only be 20 X 20 the responsive zone is more like 50X50 with the icon in the middle so even "big thumbs" have no trouble.
>
> Any thoughts on best approach? What are you doing?
>
> One wonders if we need an enhancement request (if even possible) to set an object prop like:
>
> fullRectResponsive = true
>
> then mousedown/up works whereever you touch inside rect.
>
> or something like that.
>
> BR
>
>
>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 20:31:23 -0700
> From: Jerry Jensen <jerry at jhjensen.com>
> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Subject: RIP Dan Shafer
> Message-ID: <0678E0E3-B569-4E53-9080-9D164EBBD4FF at jhjensen.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
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> We lost Dan Shafer yesterday. He did a lot for LiveCode. I?m sure anybody who met him will miss him.
> .Jerry
>
>
>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 01:07:10 -0500
> From: "J. Landman Gay" <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Subject: Re: RIP Dan Shafer
> Message-ID:
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>
> Oh dear. Sadness.
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>
>
>
> On June 21, 2017 10:33:23 PM Jerry Jensen via use-livecode
> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> We lost Dan Shafer yesterday. He did a lot for LiveCode. I?m sure anybody
>> who met him will miss him.
>> .Jerry
>>
>>
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> Message: 10
> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 01:18:52 -0500
> From: "J. Landman Gay" <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Subject: Re: Widgets as Buttons
> Message-ID:
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>
> It may just be a mobile problem (or maybe just Android) because on desktop
> an SVG widget responds when you click in a transparent area.
>
> But to get a larger hit area you still have to make a group, because SVG
> widgets don't have margins and they always grow to fill their rectangle. It
> would be nice to be able to define a wide margin.
>
> But if we ever get the ability to use them as button icons, that would be
> an even better solution.
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>
>
>
> On June 21, 2017 9:53:32 PM Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode
> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> Re: using widgets for buttons like disclosure triangles.
>>
>> On mobile they seem very unresponsive.
>>
>> Jacque says you have to actually tap the pixels inside the defined svg area.
>>
>> We had this discussion before relative to using small graphics as buttons.
>> So, are we back to making small groups with a background graphic fill white
>> with blendlevel set to 1 or tranparent button on top etc.?
>>
>> In Spotify, they have super small, tiny disclosure, reveal, popup thin
>> arrows and they work so well, without your finger having to hit some exact
>> target zone? It's almost as if for a small icon that may only be 20 X 20
>> the responsive zone is more like 50X50 with the icon in the middle so even
>> "big thumbs" have no trouble.
>>
>> Any thoughts on best approach? What are you doing?
>>
>> One wonders if we need an enhancement request (if even possible) to set an
>> object prop like:
>>
>> fullRectResponsive = true
>>
>> then mousedown/up works whereever you touch inside rect.
>>
>> or something like that.
>>
>> BR
>>
>>
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> Message: 11
> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 23:27:06 -0700
> From: Mark Wieder <ahsoftware at sonic.net>
> To: Jerry Jensen via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Subject: Re: RIP Dan Shafer
> Message-ID: <eb2ef49c-0f7d-4264-343d-a58e21aa436d at sonic.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>
>> On 06/21/2017 08:31 PM, Jerry Jensen via use-livecode wrote:
>> We lost Dan Shafer yesterday. He did a lot for LiveCode. I?m sure anybody who met him will miss him.
>> .Jerry
>
> Oh hell. Just got home and found this.
>
> Dan and Chipp were responsible for getting the user conferences going.
> Dan was outspoken and a gadfly - I never knew him to pull his punches,
> and was a vehement promoter of xtalk. I still have a working draft 7
> copy of the HyperCard Script Language Guide that Dan did for Apple back
> in 1987 sitting by my desk. We kept talking about getting together to
> catch a Giants game but never quite got around to it.
>
> --
> Mark Wieder
> ahsoftware at gmail.com
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 10:13:55 +0300
> From: Richmond Mathewson <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>
> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Subject: Re: Widgets as Buttons
> Message-ID: <6a4342b8-d6e6-a788-bee0-18283d945a8e at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>
> At the risk of looking goofy, why not create an SVG image with a solid
> border:
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/i487s2g27q8hbve/AABn_OVtPJc79uAeGlapQ-Yta?dl=0
>
> Richmond.
>
>> On 6/22/17 9:18 am, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
>> It may just be a mobile problem (or maybe just Android) because on
>> desktop an SVG widget responds when you click in a transparent area.
>>
>> But to get a larger hit area you still have to make a group, because
>> SVG widgets don't have margins and they always grow to fill their
>> rectangle. It would be nice to be able to define a wide margin.
>>
>> But if we ever get the ability to use them as button icons, that would
>> be an even better solution.
>> --
>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>
>>
>>
>> On June 21, 2017 9:53:32 PM Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via
>> use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Re: using widgets for buttons like disclosure triangles.
>>>
>>> On mobile they seem very unresponsive.
>>>
>>> Jacque says you have to actually tap the pixels inside the defined
>>> svg area.
>>>
>>> We had this discussion before relative to using small graphics as
>>> buttons. So, are we back to making small groups with a background
>>> graphic fill white with blendlevel set to 1 or tranparent button on
>>> top etc.?
>>>
>>> In Spotify, they have super small, tiny disclosure, reveal, popup
>>> thin arrows and they work so well, without your finger having to hit
>>> some exact target zone? It's almost as if for a small icon that may
>>> only be 20 X 20 the responsive zone is more like 50X50 with the icon
>>> in the middle so even "big thumbs" have no trouble.
>>>
>>> Any thoughts on best approach? What are you doing?
>>>
>>> One wonders if we need an enhancement request (if even possible) to
>>> set an object prop like:
>>>
>>> fullRectResponsive = true
>>>
>>> then mousedown/up works whereever you touch inside rect.
>>>
>>> or something like that.
>>>
>>> BR
>>>
>>>
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> Message: 13
> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 09:38:35 +0200
> From: Mark Waddingham <mark at livecode.com>
> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Subject: Re: Exploring A Single File Deploy on Windows
> Message-ID: <eea910d24de0461cefdd839c2f7bd674 at livecode.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
>
>> On 2017-06-21 22:47, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
>> Could you expand on this a little bit? StandaloneSaving/Saved are only
>> sent during a build, so I'm not sure how I'd use those to intercept a
>> startup message.
>
> Yes but they could be used at standalone building time (probably will
> require a little bit of reordering of processes slightly) so stacks
> could embed their resources in a stackfile.
>
>> Also, when do the externals actually load? If they load at startup
>> before any messages are sent, then won't the externals already be done
>> with before the stack receives the startup message?
>
> At present they are bound before the startup message - which is the
> problem as there is no opportunity for script to run.
>
> Currently, you can do the suck up and spit out method - you just mustn't
> mark the externals as 'included' in the s/b... And then add code to
> standaloneSaving / standaloneSaved:
>
> standaloneSaving (to augment your stackfile with what is needed)
> create a substack of your mainstack file which contains the externals
> you want in custom props
> a library stack handler in the substack which spits out and sets the
> externals property of itself
>
> standaloneSaved (to reset your stackfile to what it was before)
> delete the substack
>
> Then in the startup handler of your standalone mainstack, 'start using'
> the substack if it is present. That should then load the externals which
> you've spat out to disk in an appropriate place.
>
> Warmest Regards,
>
> Mark.
>
> --
> Mark Waddingham ~ mark at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
> LiveCode: Everyone can create apps
>
>
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> Message: 14
> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 11:54:21 +0200
> From: "Tiemo Hollmann TB" <toolbook at kestner.de>
> To: "'How to use LiveCode'" <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Subject: AW: HD Windows Video Formats
> Message-ID: <001601d2eb3d$86d62800$94827800$@kestner.de>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Hi Jeff,
>
> I am working with H.264 mp4 videos for both Windows (directShow) and Mac
> (AVFoundation), compressed with Sorensons squeeze. The drawback is, that
> Windows 10 doesn't comes with a H.264 codec by default, so my users have to
> install the codec. I made good experiences with the LAV-Filter codec pack.
>
> Tiemo
>
>
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> von Jeff Reynolds via use-livecode
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 22. Juni 2017 03:47
> An: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Cc: Jeff Reynolds <jeff at siphonophore.com>
> Betreff: HD Windows Video Formats
>
> Hi,
>
> Just curious what video wrappers and codecs folks are using for HD (1080)
> for windows 10 playback (surface) with the directshow drivers native now in
> livecode.
>
> its an odd set listed in the directshow format page
>
> https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/dd407173(v=vs.85).a
> spx
> <https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/dd407173(v=vs.85).
> aspx>
>
> wmv looks to work but has a 10mps max which has some issues with underwater
> shots with lots of solids. the h264 compression option looks to be wrapping
> in an mpeg2 and not quite sure of a path to get there. Does anyone do h264
> that playback decoders installed under generic win10 install and a path to
> how you made the files?
>
> thanks
>
> jeff reynolds
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