Was anyone aware that the sign takes up one of the digital in number format? For instance, set the numberformat to "00";put -1 +0 & ":" & 0 +0 & ":" & 0 +0 returns: -1:00:00 but set the numberformat to "00";put -12 +0 & ":" & 0 +0 & ":" & 0 +0 returns: -12:00:00 Does no one else find that odd?? Bob S