disabled on 10/28 for bounces--to gmail???

Bob Sneidar bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com
Thu Nov 17 16:51:58 EST 2016


Bouncing is highly unusual for cloud based mail systems as it is now an ineffective method for spam systems to remove obsolete emails, and malicious spammers can use this to clean up their databases by purging the bounced emails, or trolling for valid email accounts. It can also be used as a distributed denial of service mechanism. Newer mail systems will just drop the email unless otherwise configured. Exchange defaults to bouncing. 

Bob S


> On Nov 17, 2016, at 12:01 , Colin Holgate <colinholgate at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I’m using Mail, and my provider is Verizon. I checked my settings online, and they do have an option where they delete spam automatically. I’ve changed that to have it save the messages in a spamdetecter folder. I should be able to see which messages are coming from the LiveCode lists.
> 
> Still not sure that any mail system would pretend to bounce the message, instead of just blocking it.
> 
> 
>> On Nov 17, 2016, at 12:53 PM, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Typically the hosting service handles the spam filtering before your email client gets it. That's the filter I was referring to. GMail users may not have the same options though.
>> 
>> On 11/17/16 1:31 PM, Colin Holgate wrote:
>>> That would make sense if you had spam system that sent back a rejection message. I don’t use spam filters, I just let some emails go into Mail’s Junk mailbox. But I’ve also had the excessive bounce message a few times.
>>> 
>>> For what it’s worth, my Junk mailbox currently has four emails from Roger Eller, one from Jan Schenkel, and two copies of the same email from the LiveCode team.
>>> 
>>> The LiveCode team ones look like adverts, but the other messages seem harmless.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Nov 17, 2016, at 12:26 PM, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> On 11/17/16 1:15 PM, Jacques Clavel wrote:
>>>>> The problem is that all seems to be normal for me, no problem at all, I
>>>>> just received an email (the third) from use-livecode-request which says
>>>>> (see below). I re-enabled my membership by using the first link and I
>>>>> received again the messages from the list.
>>>>> Can I do something to help to solve the problem?
>>>> 
>>>> I wonder if the problem is over-aggressive spam filtering. If a spam filter bounces the list mail back to Mailman, you'd have "excessive bounces".
>>>> 
>>>> I am not having the problem. In my cPanel I have spam filtering set to the default average level (5) and I receive list mails individually. I think sometimes the digest can appear as spam and that might cause a bounce. So I wonder if those people who are getting unsubscribed are receiving the digest? If you try receiving individual messages, do you still get the warning?
>>>> 
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