Speed of LCB
ambassador at fourthworld.com
Tue May 10 11:58:45 EDT 2016
David Bovill wrote:
> Richard mentioned that LCB can be / is magnitudes slower than Livecode
> script for certain tasks?
I don't believe I have sufficient data to have made such a specific
claim. If I did I was mistaken, as I've not seen enough scripts
offering equivalent functionality written in both LC Script and LC
Builder to have been able to provide guidance that precise.
A few weeks ago I did reply to Monte's question here about whether to
write a library in Script or Builder, and I noted that if the primary
consideration were execution speed (development speed had already been
addressed) LC Script would seem the favorable choice.
This was based on two pieces of anecdotal information, one of which I've
learned is questionable in terms of direct comparison:
- "LiveCode Builder performance improvements" is in the "Planned"
section of the Roadmap, a good place for it given that Builder
just premiered in v8 and there's the old adage about premature
- I had run one test in a field validation library which is available
as both LC Builder and LC Script:
I was discussing the latter with Peter recently and he reminded me that
LC Builder doesn't yet have regex support. So while some chunk
expressions in LC Script outperform some regex operations, in that case
it seems likely that regex may play a strong role in the measurable
performance benefit of LC Script in the one function I benchmarked from
So until someone writes a set of tests that are truly equivalent in LS
Script and LC Builder, any performance benefit one way or another is
Since optimization of LC Builder is already on the Roadmap, and the need
for optimization of LC Script is both more pervasive in terms of
affected users and well known by the team, for myself I'd wait until
both optimization efforts are completed before spending too much time
with benchmark comparisons between them.
That said, if someone has an immediate need for such a comparison I'd be
curious to see the scripts and the results.
> Perhaps it's time to look at a speed comparison between various ways
> to encode and decode JSON in Livecode.
Neither LC Script nor LC Builder will likely outperform the C++ used in
Ideally that optimized code in machine-compiled form would become
available to us, both for rebustness and performance as JSON's role in
daily work continues to expand.
I would imagine Monte's external will outperform any scripted
> I thought jsonImport would wrap a C library - but looking at the code
> on GitHub
> all native LCB I think. That would make no sense if LCB was slow?
My (likely naive) hope is that LC Builder's tighter internal structure
will one day lend itself to becoming machine compilable. I can dream,
can't I? :)
> Does anyone have a speed testing app / framework - in the spirit of
> open source I'd rather not keep rollin my own :)
I do a lot of benchmarking, but my needs are modest so I have no
framework per se beyond a simple script I reuse, similar to the variant
in this post:
Project: Performance Benchmarking Toolkit
In fact, Malte's thread there may be a good place to continue the
discussion toward a common, more generalized benchmarking framework.
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