Standalones on el Capitan?

Roger Eller roger.e.eller at
Mon May 2 13:06:09 EDT 2016

Picture this in your minds eye.  An infomercial on TV like we used to see;
a high-energy "Juice-Man" type, doing a demo for the "unwashed-masses".
EVERYONE CAN CODE, the crazy caterpillar-browed man says, and goes on to
show some easy yet beneficial beginners apps.  A website address, a
toll-free number, and "Three easy payments of $__.95" scrolls across the
bottom of the television.

My point is, there are wanna-be-programmers out there who don't even know
they CAN BE programmers because they think it's too difficult to learn.
You have to get the word out beyond this list.


On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 11:08 AM, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at>

> Erik Beugelaar wrote:
> > The suggestion of Alex is a reasonable option for this iOS only
> > deploy problem in my opinion.
> > As long as Apple's Apps Store's Terms of Service (ToS) clashes with
> > the GPL a temporary solution could be a Hosted iOS Builder service.
> > This can be a subscription model ($/year) or you pay per service
> > build ($).
> It was less than just two years ago that the company offered pretty much
> exactly that, for $99/yr.
> That wasn't so long ago.  Have we all forgotten already?
> It if was the magic recipe to solve this problem I would imagine it would
> still be offered today.
> But despite the company's willingness to experiment with this pricing
> option so frequently and ardently suggested by some of the folks here, in
> practice it didn't really have much uptake and made no substantial
> contribution to the expenses incurred in delivering LiveCode.
> In fact, those of us who've been here a while should be able to recall
> that the company has experimented with a very wide range of pricing and
> packaging options.  Many of those experiments, like the iOS deployment
> option, were the result of conversations here.
> It's not like the company hasn't listened.
> I believe it's more that the nature of the dev tools game is very
> different from more end-user-facing software markets, and very few members
> of this list have direct experience successfully managing the development
> and publishing of a multi-platform dev tool. So despite the best of
> intentions, the challenge does indeed elude easy answer.
> I think it's helpful that we all keep an open mind, community and company
> alike, as we continue to explore new options going forward.
> It may well be that there's a magic price/package combo that will make the
> difference.  Clearly no magic recipe has been found thus far.  But for such
> proposals to be seriously considered, it helps that there's at least as
> much research behind them to distinguish them from things already tried.
> --
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World Systems
>  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
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